Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Most agency owners screw up their first sales hire. Why? Because they either hire the wrong person, or refuse to let go of control. Travis Hoechlin used to think building a sales team was a waste of time—until he realized he was the bottleneck. In this episode, you'll hear how he went from solo closer to leading a performance-driven team that fuels his agency's growth. Travis Hoechlin is the CEO of Rise Up Media, a marketing company specializing in law firm services. He shares insights into his journey from working at a large agency to starting his own and discusses the challenges of stepping out of a comfortable position and the motivations that ultimately led him and his business partner to take the leap into entrepreneurship. Travis also shared his experience building a top sales team, his logic behind hiring experienced seller instead of going for junior salespeople he could train, and how he keeps his team motivated and competitive. In this episode, we'll discuss: What most owners get wrong when building sales teams. The hidden cost of overlooking your top performers. How to hire competitive closers who don't need babysitting. Incentives that actually work (even with a remote team). Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. The True Cost of Overlooking Top Performers Travis began his career working for one of the largest agencies in the industry. Despite previously owning a mortgage company, he and his current business partner found themselves settling into the comfort of corporate life—big paychecks, steady accolades, and a sense of stability. But deep down, Travis always knew he wanted to build something of his own again. It wasn't until a disagreement with his former boss that he finally made the leap. Looking back, he wishes he'd made the move sooner. Still, the way it unfolded taught him an important lesson. As one of the agency's top sellers, Travis had earned a spot in their elite President's Club—or so he thought. When he was unexpectedly passed over, it became clear that his contributions weren't truly valued. That moment of frustration became the catalyst for change. Sometimes, it takes a setback to shake us out of complacency. Travis's story is a powerful reminder: comfort can be deceiving, and top performers often leave not because of the work, but because their impact isn't fully recognized. For agency owners, it's a call to action—acknowledge your best people, or risk losing them. The Journey from Seller to Sales Leader As one of the top salespeople at his former agency, Travis was a natural fit to lead sales at his own. But like many high-performing sellers, he was hesitant about building a sales team. Great salespeople don't always make great managers—and Travis wasn't sure he could find others who would match the drive and success he brought to the table. His competitive nature added another layer of resistance. The idea of hiring someone who might rival his performance didn't sit well with him at first. But over time, realized that no matter how strong he was on his own, two or three skilled salespeople giving their all would far outperform his solo efforts. That mindset shift changed everything. Once he found the right people—sales pros who believed in the agency's mission—Travis stepped back. He moved out of the day-to-day sales role, choosing instead to support the team and help them succeed. After all, they had taken a chance on a growing agency, and he felt a responsibility to help them thrive. Many agency owners struggle with this transition. It's hard to let go of what you're great at. But as Travis discovered, tying your value to a single role—especially one you refuse to let go—can turn you into your agency's biggest bottleneck. Growth requires trust, delegation, and a willingness to lead from the side, not just the front. Strategy for Building a Premium Agency Sales Force Once Travis fully committed to building a sales team, he hit the ground running—bringing on two salespeople to start, then two more just a few months later. Since then, he's made it a habit to hire two to three new sales reps each year, fueling the agency's continued growth. While many agencies try to save money by hiring junior reps, Travis believes that route often costs more in the long run. He only recruits experienced, high-performing sales talent since inexperienced hires need extensive training, close management, and time to ramp up—resources many growing agencies simply can't afford to spare. Instead, Travis looks for people who are naturally competitive, hungry to earn, and confident in their ability to close. In his view, a good salesperson can sell anything. If a new hire hasn't sold agency services before, he keeps their focus simple for the first 30 days: just book him meetings. From there, he leads the calls while they shadow, learn, and build the confidence to eventually run the sales process on their own. Additionally, rather than hiring one rep at a time, he prefers onboarding two or three at once. Sure, not all of them will work out—but with multiple hires, at least one or two typically stick, and you're not back at square one. Plus, the healthy competition that comes from a group ramping together drives performance. When top salespeople are surrounded by peers who are also gunning for results, it pushes everyone to level up. For Travis, building a sales team isn't just about offloading calls—it's about creating a high-performance culture that multiplies results and drives the agency forward. Incentives That Actually Build Culture—Even Remotely Travis understands that great salespeople are driven by more than just commission—they thrive on competition, recognition, and rewards. In corporate environments, these high performers are often motivated by bonuses, contests, and incentive trips—and Travis knew his agency needed to offer the same kind of energy to attract and retain top talent. Having been the top seller at his previous job, he experienced firsthand how powerful the right incentives can be. So, he implemented a clear and compelling incentive structure for his team: hit an annual sales target of $850,000, and you qualify for an all-expenses-paid trip to a luxury destination, such as their recent five-day retreat at the Four Seasons in Costa Rica. But it's more than just a reward—it's a shared goal that unites the team. With about a third of his salesforce working remotely from across the globe, these trips serve as a rallying point, fostering camaraderie, motivation, and culture. This blend of healthy competition and team connection is critical in sales. By setting ambitious but achievable goals—and celebrating those who reach them—Travis has built a culture where individuals are motivated to win, and the entire team moves forward together. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.  

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Ever build a business that “looked” successful—but left you feeling empty? Jeff Hilimire sure did and then he did something about it. In this episode, we unpack how he turned a successful agency career into a mission-driven movement—building purpose-led businesses, launching a global volunteer initiative, and writing books that challenge how we think about impact. Today's featured guest always genuinely enjoyed agency life—something he quickly realized was the exception, not the norm. That realization led him to a mission: helping others discover greater meaning in their business journey. Whether it's through his books, his leadership, or his venture that unites developers to build websites for nonprofits in just 24 hours, he is all about turning intention into action. We have the pleasure of welcoming back Jeff Hilimire, the podcast's very first guest, nearly eleven years ago. He shares what drives him to help business owners build purpose-driven companies, why he started writing books, and how he carved his own path in the publishing world. You'll also hear about his latest work with Purpose Group, his thoughts on operationalizing purpose, and how to lead with clarity through times of crisis. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why he made it his mission to help entrepreneurs build purpose-driven businesses. Using the concept of ‘Dream Small' to build a network of volunteers to help non-profits. How he embedded his books with his unique vision.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. From Joke Websites to Purpose-Driven Business Empire Jeff's journey in the agency world began with simple curiosity in 1996 when, as a college student, he built joke websites with a friend. Eventually, they figured if they made it a business, they could keep doing what they loved, which led to building several sites for free and a humble start with their first paying client, Jeff's aunt, who paid them $250 to build her business' website. Jeff has done a lot since being on the podcast's first episode talking about that first agency. He's been founding, growing, and selling businesses over the last 25 years. He has also been a board member of several initiatives and written six books just since 2019. His latest venture is the Purpose Group, where he and his team acquire and reinvigorate small businesses by training more inspired and engaged employees through their Purpose Playbook™ methodology — which is very much linked to the knowledge Jeff has been sharing through his books, teaching entrepreneurs to build purpose-driven businesses, and helping them find that same joy he's always found in his different businesses. Start with One: How Dreaming Small Can Change Everything In Jeff's experience, many people never go after their dream projects because it feels too big and daunting to start. Instead, he believes it's best to start small and give that first step. If your goal is to help people, then help at least one person. This is the premise behind Jeff's book Dream Small, which helped him grow his venture 48in48, an initiative born out of the idea of getting his team to help non-profits build websites. It would give them the satisfaction of helping someone while giving two selected non-profits a functional website in 48 hours. The plan gradually grew to include thousands of volunteers who offered time and expertise to help these non-profits for one weekend. Since developing this idea, Jeff has held 35 events with 7,500 volunteers around the world pitching in to help build 1,300 websites for non-profits. And while these numbers are great, he knows that had he started with that in mind, the project would've probably never taken off. People needed to see it was possible at a small scale before committing to do more. Tired of Boring Business Books? So Was Jeff Back when Jeff wrote his first book, he wanted to bridge the gap between traditional business thinking and entrepreneurial mindset. Having repeatedly encountered CMOs who resisted innovation with claims that they "couldn't take that chance," Jeff wanted to share his conviction that business was all about taking risks. Initially, he intended to deliver a straightforward business manual and approached the writing process as such. However, he has personally never enjoyed those books, which became apparent as he navigated through the content and found that the rigidity of a traditional format stifled his creativity. Hence, he tried a different approach and embraced storytelling—creating characters and scenarios that embodied the entrepreneurial spirit. This is when Jeff found joy in the writing process and he's continued developing stories within the same fictional universe. Furthermore, after facing multiple rejections from traditional publishers, Jeff applied his risk-taking philosophy to launch his own small publishing house. Today, this venture works with approximately 25 authors and actively seeks innovative approaches to business storytelling. Becoming a Better Leader by Setting a Purpose Beyond Profit In his case, Jeff started out as the programmer in his partnership and oversaw that aspect of his agency's operations for some time. The moment he hired someone else to help him with that task, he immediately recognized there were much better-qualified developers and that his own time would be better spent growing the agency. In fact, he believes agency owners who have limited capacities and require help from the start can actually scale faster since they won't get caught up working in the agency and can focus on growth. When founders recognize their limitations and delegate from the beginning, they avoid becoming trapped in day-to-day operations to focus exclusively on strategic growth opportunities. Despite this operational insight, Jeff initially lacked a sophisticated vision beyond the vague goal of "eventually selling." It took time and experience for him to develop a more nuanced understanding of valuations and how different exit timings would affect the agency's ultimate value. His strategic thinking evolved only after navigating through multiple mergers and sales. The most profound transformation in Jeff's approach came years into his business journey when he began thinking about purpose beyond profit. While he had always wanted to create a workplace where people enjoyed their work and developed professionally, he eventually expanded this intuition into a deliberate focus on organizational culture and consciously building values into the business foundation. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you doing great work but still feel like your agency's stuck in neutral? The truth is, talent alone doesn't scale a business. In this episode our guest, Stephen Woessner—author, agency growth strategist, and founder of Predictive ROI—reveals why most agencies hit a ceiling... and how to break through with a smarter, more strategic approach. From developing a true methodology to showing up with content that teaches, we dive into what's working now (and what's not) when it comes to agency growth, client expectations, and scaling with intention. If you've ever relied a little too heavily on referrals, be unsure of your niche, or found yourself winging it without a real system—this one's for you. Tune in to learn how to enhance your agency's approach to attracting clients and scaling your business! Stephen Woessner is the founder of Predictive ROI, an agency that helps clients build predictable and repeatable ROI so they can focus on doing the work they love alongside clients they choose. With over 30 years of experience, including a six-year stint in academia, Stephen discusses what's working right now to get more leads, why getting specific is vital for agencies, and why the journey to scaling your journey requires patience, as well as methodology. Stephen also hosts the "Onward Nation" and "Sell with Authority" podcasts and is the bestselling author of five books, including his latest, “Sell With Authority". In this episode, we'll discuss: Why you should be ridiculously specific. Developing a true methodology to showcase your process. How a softer approach can lead to bigger wins. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. The Power of Specificity (and Content That Teaches) Stephen has had a long career in the agency world, starting thirty years ago, before ROI was a thing, and working alongside agencies and consultants — teaching them how to build their authority within the markets they serve. He worked six-years in academia while also sharing his knowledge in his first books on Viral Social Networking and SEO. The expertise shared in these books got him requests to work as a consultant for different businesses, which led to him starting his own agency in 2009. At his agency, Stephen commonly works with agencies and consultants that are going about sales and new business development in the least effective, most painful way possible. In fifteen years, he's seen a lot in the business and now brings his own perspective on what's currently working in the agency space. According to him, success comes from being ridiculously specific—about who you serve, what you offer, and how you market it. It's not about flashy gimmicks or one-size-fits-all strategies. Agencies that clearly communicate their expertise and share their knowledge generously (even for free!) are the ones building long-term trust. With the many AI tools available for marketers nowadays, there just isn't a valid excuse for not putting your own content out there to attract clients with valuable tips that show your expertise. These should be small, actionable pieces that solve real problems. That kind of generosity leads to high-quality leads who already trust you by the time they reach out. While the tools might not be polished yet, they show just how easy it is now to create content and show up consistently. The key is that agencies need to be intentional, have a point of view, know their clients' real pain points and speak to them clearly. Raise the Bar or Get Left Behind Today's clients are smart. They're looking for specialized, strategic partners—not generalists who throw spaghetti at the wall. Agencies that develop a true methodology, a real system for delivering results, stand out. It's not just about the work—it's about the process behind it. Simply put, a solid methodology builds trust. It shows prospects that you know what you're doing and that you've done it before. And yes, it's a big part of what makes an agency sellable down the road. If you're familiar with games like “Age of Empires,” the process of building your methodology will be a lot like starting scrappy in the stone age—just you, maybe a freelancer or two. But as you gather resources (aka leads, a team, and tools) and build systems (onboarding, sales, and delivery processes), you level up. The methodology evolves as you grow—and mastering each stage is what gets you to the next one. The path to growth requires structure, clarity, and an intentional approach. If you're still winging it with no repeatable system in place it might be time to rethink the game plan. How a Softer Approach Can Lead to Bigger Wins Other than a methodology, the journey to the top will also require patience. Scaling an agency is rarely instantaneous and each stage of development comes with its own challenges and learning experiences. Agencies at various levels of growth face unique challenges, and the aspiration to leap from a level two to level thirty-seven—is just unrealistic. You need to experience the wins and losses that truly gives you the expertise to sustain growth and learn to appreciate that they've prepared you for the next challenges and goals. Jason was actually confronted with this lesson while preparing for his latest event, which although did eventually sell out, but did so much more slowly than he would've liked. In the end, the team made the decision to stop being pushy about promoting the event and instead try to be more inviting. A pushy attitude will likely be met with resistance. Instead, a gentle nudge or an invitation to explore creates a sense of curiosity and openness. By reframing the conversation from one of pressure to one of invitation, he was able to build trust and rapport. People are more likely to engage when they feel they have the autonomy to make choices without feeling coerced. This is the same principle that drives successful business generation. Instead of being pushy, make sure you're sharing case studies, insights, or even hosting webinars that allow prospects to learn and engage with the agency's expertise. Trust that you're offering great value that resonates with the target audience, encouraging your audience to lean in and explore further, rather than overwhelming them with hard sells. Creating Content That Draws the Right Clients In So what is the type of content agencies should be creating to get prospects to lean in? The first thing that may make you feel like you're screaming into the void is trying to attract just any client who can sign a check. Successful companies have shown that focusing on a select group of high-performing clients can lead to tremendous success. This does not mean that if you start to work with plumbers you'll have to work with that niche in perpetuity. A niche can also be a specific problem you solve or an area you serve, not just an industry. When you focus on "right fit" clients, you'll attract people you genuinely enjoy working with who choose to stay with your business long-term. When agency owners narrow their focus, they can tailor their offerings to meet the unique needs of their chosen niche. This not only enhances the quality of service but also simplifies the content creation process. Once the target audience is identified, agencies can generate relevant and engaging content that addresses the specific problems and pain points of their clients. At this point, you can focus on sharing content that makes a lasting impression. By providing valuable information upfront, you'll no doubt capture the attention of potential clients and build credibility. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

I've been paying an agency to run our Meta ads and for some time Meta itself has been reaching out to take over the account. Let that sink in. The same platform your agency relies on is actively trying to cut you out of the picture. The worst part? This is just one example of a much bigger shift. Big tech is building tools that create entire campaigns—copy, design, video, testing—without a human in sight. Your strategist? Replaced. Designer? Replaced. Copywriter? Gone. I get it. It's a hard pill to swallow, but it isn't necessarily the end of agencies. It's just the end of the ones that built their model on tasks. So what's the future for agencies? Agencies Built on Tasks Are Already Obsolete Let's get real: if you're still selling deliverables, your agency's already falling behind. What AI can't replicate is leadership. At the end of the day clients want results and direction. Smart agencies are not selling tasks anymore. They're selling thinking. Here's how they're staying ahead: 1. Productize the Thinking, Not the Task Most agencies sell what they do – SEO, ad management – Clients don't care that you “run Facebook ads.” They want results. Instead of saying “We run ads for local businesses,” say “We help local gyms get 100 leads in 30 days with a proven 3-step system.” You just went from vendor to strategic partner that sell a system that scales. Productizing your thinking means turning your knowledge into a framework. When you package your thinking and your strategy as something like “The 30-Day Lead Domination System” or “The 5-Step Authority Engine” your expertise becomes a product. That's what scales. 2. Sell Speed and Certainty Speed is an agency superpower. Most clients aren't losing to competitors—they're drowning in indecision. They don't need more options—they need momentum. So skip the six-week strategy plan. Instead of saying “We'll optimize your funnel,” offer quick wins: “We'll launch your highest-converting offer by Friday.” Certainty is what closes deals. Clarity is what makes them stick. 3. Own Your Niche Generic is dead. The riches are still in the niches. Solve a very specific problem for a very specific group of people. The more specific your promise, the more profitable your agency will become. 4. Use AI—But Don't Compete With It Don't just talk about AI—implement it. Show your clients how to use AI to streamline workflows, automate leads, and improve reporting. Become the AI Sherpa, not the tool. If you're not guiding your clients through AI, someone else will. 5. Build Client Community Want to be irreplaceable? Connect your clients to each other. Host virtual meetups. Build a mastermind. Facilitate introductions. Create spaces for idea-sharing. AI will never replace real human connection—and your clients are craving it. We've seen this firsthand with the agency mastermind: community is the real secret weapon. 6. Be the Guide, Not the Gun Execution is cheap. Clarity is priceless. AI will never replace someone who can build leads. Be the one who filters the noise. Be the coach. Once you step into that role, I can promise you your value will skyrocket. So, Did Zuck Kill the Agency Model? Not Even Close. He didn't kill it—he evolved it. The agencies that lead, think, and adapt will be the ones that thrive. Those that keep selling tasks will get replaced. Agency Mastermind Still feel like you're winging it? You're not alone. Most agency owners hit a plateau because they're stuck in the business, buried in decisions, and disconnected from people who get it. The agencies killing it and scaling faster found out they needed to be in the right room. Go to https://www.agencymastery360.com/agency-mastery and get access to a community of agency owners sharing their data, deals, strategies, and mindset shifts.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training AI isn't coming for your agency—it's already here. And if you haven't set clear guidelines for how your team (and your clients) engage with it, you're already behind. In this episode, one agency founder shares how he went from AI skeptic to strategic adopter—rewriting his workflows, client communications, and pricing strategy to future-proof his business. Join us as we explore how to move beyond simply offering AI-enhanced services—and start leveraging AI to boost profitability, streamline operations, and establish your agency as a leader in this new era. Paolo Vidali is the founder of Hidden Gears, an agency specializing in e-commerce and Shopify. With over a decade of experience in design, development, and digital marketing, Paolo shares his journey into agency ownership and discusses the challenges and rewards of building a small, distributed team across the US and Europe, as well as the factors that are informing his evolving policies on AI use. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why expertise will still set you apart in the era of AI. How Paolo went from AI skeptic to viewing it as mission-critical. How you can change your agency's game by integrating AI into your operations.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Making a Low-Risk Jump to Entrepreneurship Paolo sees his road to owning an agency as accidental, in the sense that it was never the plan to do it full time. Initially working for a digital marketing agency focused on B2B and lead generation, he began freelancing on the side. A couple of years into this, however, he realized the work he was doing on the nights and weekends was scalable and something he could ultimately grow. Back then, the jump to entrepreneurship seemed like a move he could realistically make without risking much of the low-cost lifestyle he led at the time. If anything went wrong, he'd just go back to working for an agency. He ended up building a successful organization he has intentionally kept small to maintain the close client relationships and team cohesion that have become hallmarks of his business model. How AI Went from “Maybe” to Mission-Critical After being in the world of e-commerce for over a decade, Paolo has witnessed firsthand the evolution of digital marketing and the rise of platforms like Shopify. And although he initially didn't believe the AI hype, it soon became apparent that the landscape was shifting dramatically. It was time to establish policies that dictated how staff and contractors would interact with this technology, so the agency would always be involved in how they experimented with it. The team's approach to AI evolved in two parallel tracks: externally, they carefully calibrated AI integration based on individual client preferences, while internally conducting tests to identify operational efficiencies. Years later, what Paolo originally envisioned as merely a future service offering has instead become fundamental to the agency's internal operations, with AI tools now dramatically reducing time spent on previously labor-intensive tasks like content creation, customer support, and data analysis. Why Expertise Will Still Set You Apart & How This Can Affect Your Pricing Predictably, one of the concerns around AI as its usage spread was around agencies becoming obsolete. In reality, Paolo can clearly see the difference between his team using AI, with many hours dedicated to understanding the technology and using it effectively, and any random person using the same tools. Now the challenge becomes how much value to place on that knowledge when it comes to their overall prices. Should they charge based on the time saved through automation, or should they consider the expertise required to generate quality outputs? Much like Paolo's mother can still out-Google him thanks to her deep understanding of information retrieval as a librarian, professionals in the field now possess the knowledge to input data effectively and assess the quality of the results produced by AI. This is why agencies should be charging on a value-based model instead of hourly rates. The technology certainly aids in finishing the tasks a lot sooner, but it's the agency's knowledge of the tools that helps complete the task efficiently. ChatGPT Changed the Game—Now Agencies Have to Raise Theirs Paolo's team is conducting systematic A/B testing to evaluate AI's potential impact on their agency workflows, quantifying time savings and process optimizations to determine where technology genuinely enhances value. To foster innovation while maintaining control, Paolo encourages staff to explore diverse AI tools during personal time and share promising discoveries, while implementing strict data protection protocols. Client information can only be processed in secure, isolated environments that prevent data from being incorporated into learning models, which led to his specific ban on Deepseek. AI has already found practical applications throughout the agency. Paolo personally leverages it for copywriting and proposal refinement, appreciating how it enhances professionalism and improves success rates. His team is also using AI for drafting content, something clients are notified about and an area where they are aware the AI results will still need to be fact-checked and revised. In his view, the use of AI has to be justified as being something that adds to the process to save time, cut costs, and improve results, rather than simply being a crutch. Overall, Paolo does think that the way people now shop for and consider content services and content marketing has forever been changed. He's already seen a decline in companies' investment in SEO, since clients feel there's no need if they can just ask ChatGPT to write that content. Despite this shift, he remains confident that agency expertise produces superior results. The challenge facing agency owners now is strategic adaptation—integrating AI capabilities while demonstrating their distinctive value in an evolving digital landscape. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Is remote agency life really the dream? While many chase the freedom of working from anywhere, the reality is far more complex. In this episode, Lisa Larson-Kelley shares how she built a high-performing remote team—without sacrificing culture, communication, or control. Today's featured guest decided long ago that she prefers the remote option and shares what really makes remote work actually succeed. For her, it comes down to two crucial elements: Creating a solid structure for clear communication and aligned goals Hiring people who thrive in self-led, remote environments Tune in to hear how she built these systems into her agency—and how she still prioritizes meaningful, in-person connection to strengthen team culture. Lisa Larson-Kelley is the CEO and founder of Quantious, a marketing enablement agency specializing in B2B tech companies. Her agency has worked with some of the biggest tech companies in the world, starting with Adobe and building relationships that would later take them to work with Google and Meta. Currently, she's looking forward to leveraging this experience working with big companies to create lasting relationships with smaller startups and mid-market companies as well. She talks about the challenges and benefits of running a remote agency, how she finds talent suited for remote work, and how implementing EOS in her agency operations improved her business' structure, communications, and employees accountability. In this episode, we'll discuss: How EOS gives structure and accountability. The traits she looks for when hiring remote talent How she keeps team culture strong with in-person retreats Why remote work isn't “easier”—but can be better with the right systems.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. A Pivot Fueled by Adversity Lisa began her professional journey as a developer, then transitioned to freelance consulting. Seeing she had a knack for explaining technical processes, she took some writing courses and expanded her abilities into content writing. Lisa's freelance work soon attracted several major tech companies. The growing demand for her services prompted her to hire her first intern through Craigslist, initially viewing this expansion as an extension of her freelance business. However, when her husband fell seriously ill, Lisa's need to provide financial stability for her family motivated her to formalize and grow her operation into a proper agency. What had started as individual consulting work had evolved into a full-fledged business born of both opportunity and necessity. Why Lisa's Agency Thrives Remotely—And How Yours Can Too Since founding her agency, Lisa has maintained a primarily remote operation. She did try to run the team from an office a little before Covid restrictions came to send everyone home again, but was finding it tedious, with common complaints about people's choice of food or annoying habits. It seemed as though petty distractions disappeared once they returned to remote work. As the owner of a remote agency, Lisa admits this modality isn't easier—it's just a different kind of hard. To truly succeed, agency owners who want a remote team must take care to carefully choose people suited for this type of work. Some people really do need the presence of someone keeping them accountable. These people find that on-site work provides them a sense of structure and that the interaction with teammates helps improve their performance. Lisa looks for workers who are able to self-manage and are results-oriented. Her team always has access to managers through Slack, of course, but they mostly prefer to manage their work and their time to better fit their lifestyles. Remote teams can leverage technology to enhance collaboration and communication, using tools like video conferencing, project management software, and instant messaging platforms allow team members to work together seamlessly, regardless of their geographical location. Assessing Candidates' Adaptability to Remote Work Not everyone is suited for remote work, so after assessing a candidate's suitability for the role based on their skills and experience, Lisa also looks to identify whether or not they are suited to work in this modality. If you have struggled finding workers who thrive in a remote setting, try to use assessments and structured interview questions to gauge a candidate's suitability. For instance, asking about their strategies for maintaining accountability can reveal much about their potential success in a remote setting. Furthermore, candidates who have previously navigated remote roles often have the skills and mindset necessary to thrive in similar environments. This experience can translate into a more seamless integration into a remote team, as these individuals are likely already familiar with the challenges and best practices associated with this working style. How EOS Can Transform Your Remote Agency Operations The Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) has helped many agencies create the sense of structure that some remote teams may be missing. In it, every worker has their goals, so they know what they're working towards, as well the agency's goals for the quarter, so everyone can grow in the same direction. It wasn't immediately easy or intuitive for Lisa to implement EOS into her agency processes. She read the book and tried to self-implement it unsuccessfully. It wasn't until she was introduced to an implementer who could help her with the process and keep her accountable that she felt she was on the right path with this system. With expert guidance, structured meetings became the cornerstone of Lisa's agency operations. These non-negotiable, regularly scheduled sessions ensure team alignment and individual accountability. Using Ninety software, Lisa's team conducts highly organized meetings with clear agendas and built-in timers that keep discussions focused on measurable outcomes and actionable tasks. This systematic approach eliminates wasted time while fostering a culture where team members understand their specific responsibilities. This framework helps Lisa establish high-level objectives aligned with her agency's vision, then break these down into manageable steps by working backward from desired outcomes. For instance, if an agency aims to achieve $20 million in top-line revenue and $10 million in net profit, how does this cascade down to individual team members? This clear linkage between daily activities and long-term objectives helps create a culture of accountability and proactive engagement. Structuring Professional Growth in Remote Agencies Part of the changes introduced with the use of EOS was establishing clear pathways for employee growth, something that employees themselves asked for. While tenure still influences senior positions, the agency's COO developed a three-stage framework that provides visual clarity for professional development. Seed: Your ground-level tasks for any particular role. Blossom: Demonstrating confident competence and Independence in that role. Bloom: Preparing for advancement to the next position. Interestingly, this framework is not necessarily linear recognizing that personal circumstances may cause employees to move between stages. If an employee shifts from "Blossom" back to "Seed," management initiates supportive conversations to discuss their situation and explore potential paths forward based on the employee's choices. This is an important initiative that all agency owners hoping to scale their agency should consider as it forces you to think about ways to scale your team and locate the leaders that will help take the pressure off you as you start to delegate responsibility to them. Furthermore, you'll be taking action to help your team take ownership of their roles, thus increasing retention as you motivate individuals who could get frustrated if they don't see growth opportunities. How In-Person Retreats Build Camaraderie in a Distributed Workforce Running a remote agency takes a lot of organization, structure, and also an appreciation for in-person connection. Lisa understands that while tech keeps teams connected, it can't replace the depth of real, in-person connection.. Hence, to encourage team bonding, she organizes a team retreat, that most recently took the team to Puerto Rico, for a few days of team building activities, but mostly to just be together in the same space. This is a great lesson for agency owners who want to run a remote agency. Building camaraderie through in-person connections will also have practical implications for agency growth. In-person retreats and gatherings can serve as platforms for discussing career aspirations, setting goals, and mapping out pathways for professional growth, as well as fostering stronger relationships, enhanced communication, and a more cohesive work environment. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What if scaling your agency didn't mean more stress, but less? Discover how Devon Hayes and Amanda Joyce turned partnership into freedom—and how you can, too. If you're an agency owner ready to stop grinding and start growing, this episode is for you. These two entrepreneurs joined forces as partners specifically to navigate this growth journey together—and witnessed how this strategic decision created the growth, impact, and freedom they had always envisioned. Tune in to discover their realization that scaling represented not an additional burden but rather the crucial shift from merely sustaining their businesses to expanding them intentionally and the ongoing challenges they continue to face as they adapt to this exciting new chapter in their entrepreneurial journey. Devon Hayes and Amanda Joyce aren't just agency owners—they're proof that collaboration can unlock freedom. With deep experience in PR, construction, and financial services, they share the lessons they learned the hard way—so you don't have to. They are co-founders of Elevation Marketing, a company specializing in the home services niche, including roofing, custom home building, and plumbing. They share their journey of coming together after running their own agencies and what inspired them to start their first businesses. Additionally, they'll share what drove them to choosing their current niche and the lessons they're still learning about building their client pipeline and going beyond being referral-based. In this episode, we'll discuss: Joining forces to unlock freedom. Finding the winning niche. Why scaling is worth the fear.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Joining Forces to go From Solo Struggles to Shared Success Before meeting, Devon and Amanda were forging separate paths as agency owners, both yearning for greater freedom and support in their professional lives. Devon worked some time doing marketing for companies in engineering and construction and moved on to the financial industry thinking the bigger paycheck would be enough to make her happy.  However, just nine months later she felt like a prisoner of the corporate world, while her husband – a business owner – enjoy the flexibility to pursue passions like snowboarding. Inspired by his freedom, she leveraged her corporate contacts and industry knowledge to launch her own business, determined to reclaim control of her time. For her part, Amanda started working for an agency right out of college. Armed with a degree in PR and journalism and zero knowledge about the digital marketing world, she quickly developed expertise and built her own client relationships. As her confidence grew, she realized she didn't want the constraints of office-based work. Since it was the early 2000s, the thought of working remote was unimaginable and something she would have to pursue on her own. Finally, she started her own small niche agency in 2007. Of course, both women soon discovered that entrepreneurship wasn't the straightforward path to freedom they'd envisioned. Their businesses brought stress, sleepless nights, and the weighty responsibility of delivering results for clients. The service-based nature of their work meant constantly seeking ways to improve outcomes, often making it difficult to maintain focus amid competing priorities. When Devon and Amanda finally joined forces in 2019, they brought together the valuable lessons each had learned about the industry and business ownership—creating a partnership built on shared experience and complementary strengths. A Collaboration to Unlock Freedom and Have a Higher Impact Even before joining forces, Devon and Amanda were working together in several projects and found they complemented each other very well. In fact, Amanda felt their projects together were the ones causing her less stress. While working with Devon meant she had someone covering for her while she was on vacation, for instance, the clients from projects she was handling by herself wanted her attention 24/7. Both women had achieved a level of success that allowed them to pay their bills and maintain a comfortable lifestyle but realized that to truly thrive, they needed to shift their focus from merely sustaining their businesses to scaling them. More than just a desire for more revenue they understood the benefits that would come from collaboration. Wearing multiple hats and managing every aspect of their businesses was unsustainable. Instead, merging their strengths and resources, would allow them to create a more efficient operation that allowed them to focus on their core competencies. Furthermore, Amanda liked the idea of having someone to discuss her ideas with, something she missed from her days of corporate work and that can be invaluable for agency owners who constantly feel isolated and burdened by their responsibilities. The Pivot that Paid Off: Finding Their Winning Niche Even though Devon and Amanda initially targeted the roofing industry, they quickly lost focus and found themselves working with an eclectic mix of clients across dog training, cannabis, IT, and other unrelated sectors. This scattered approach, while diverse, undermined their ability to establish a distinctive brand identity. Thankfully, they later found their footing through their engagement with the Breakthrough Academy, a contractor coaching group. By connecting with contractors in various trades, including electricians and landscapers, they discovered a niche that aligned with their strengths and expertise. Soon they were delivering exceptional results for clients in plumbing, electrical, and landscaping businesses and – even though they hesitated to make it official – they had a niche. Furthermore, coming together proved to be the best decision once they realized that the home services market was saturated with subpar providers, and hence scaling their business was also an opportunity to reach a broader audience and amplify their message as credible thought leaders. This mission directly inspired their podcast as a platform to spread their message and positively impact an industry often plagued by questionable practices. The next challenge they face is expanding beyond referral-based growth to develop a sustainable client acquisition pipeline. Why Scaling Your Agency Is Worth the Fear Although Devon and Amanda ultimately decided to scale their business to reach a wider audience, many agency owners initially resist growth, fearing it will only increase their workload and responsibilities. While expanding and managing a larger team may seem daunting, the ability to focus on the aspects you love while delegating tasks that others could handle more effectively proves tremendously rewarding. Amanda, for instance, was excited to find people who excelled in areas where she struggled and empowering them to thrive. Once she did, she was able to delegate all the content creation work she had been handling and focus her time on different areas. This is a step that agency owners will get to enjoy not only when they find the right talent but specifically when they find self-managing professionals who take ownership of their work. It's a move that will take you to a remarkable milestone —the moment when new clients are successfully onboarded without requiring any involvement from the founder. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training How are you adapting to the many changes in the industry and economy? For many agency owners this is a golden era for the business. Of course, not everyone will thrive—success depends largely on your ability to adapt. In this episode learn how our guest has mastered adaptation through several economic downturns over the years, emerging from each crisis as a more prepared and confident leader. Today, he shares the pivotal moments when his agency could have joined countless others in closing their doors, but instead discovered pathways to emerge stronger than ever. Tune in to learn how he navigated each crisis, how embracing remote work has enhanced nearly every aspect of his agency's culture and operations, and why he firmly believes that despite—or perhaps because of—today's challenges, there has never been a better time to be in the agency business. Dan Kahn is the founder of Kahn Media, an integrated marketing agency specializing in automotive and luxury brands. He shares insights into his journey in the marketing world, starting with public relations and evolving into a diverse agency model. Dan also looks back at the different ways he handles times of economic downturns in his agency, and how his leadership was shaped by these times of turmoil. Additionally, he introduces his newer venture, TRED, an outdoor recreation-focused agency emphasizing experiential marketing. In this episode, we'll discuss: 3 ways to weather economic downturns. Learning to be a better leader for a remote team.  Focus on the media, not the message. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Sometimes Bigger Clients Doesn't Equate to Big Success Dan grew up watching his father weather the volatile nature of business ownership and promised himself he'd never subject himself to such instability. However, his passion for automobiles guided him along a path from automotive journalism to PR work, and ultimately to founding his own agency. Hence, his entrepreneurial journey began with a strong foundation in the automotive industry, where he built a solid reputation working with notable clients like Lotus and Maserati, and handling high-profile events such as the SEMA automotive trade show. However, his ability to adapt was truly put to the test during the pandemic. When the world came to a standstill in 2020, many businesses found themselves grappling with significant revenue declines and uncertainty about the future and his agency was no exception. Dan found that while most of his corporate clients were pulling back, smaller clients like Lotus were easier to innovate with and willing to test new approaches. This is how he came up with the idea of handling car delivery services directly to journalists. With automotive press fleets locked down and journalists confined to their homes, Dan and his team were gaining lots of attention with this stunt, to the point that they achieved greater media exposure than larger competitors like Porsche. 3 Ways to Face Times of Economic Crisis 1. Grow stronger as a leader According to Dan, he was a different type of leader back when he faced his first economic downturn in 2013 and, as a result, defaulted to putting everything on his shoulders. Having experienced consistent 50% growth for several years, he felt the agency was doing well enough and he could lay back on doing new business development. Unfortunately, this decision coincided with some critical financial decisions. They had relocate to a more expensive town while taking on higher office rent and lost two big clients in one week. His world came crushing down, he burned through his savings, and it took a lot to get through that situation. With no delegation strategy in place, Dan shouldered the entire burden of recovery himself. His dreams of reducing his workload vanished as he struggled to lead the team through this crisis. While the agency eventually recovered and emerged stronger than before, the experience took a toll on his health. 2. Innovate and pivot quickly When the global shutdown of 2020 threatened Dan's agency with another economic disaster—particularly since events accounted for 30% of their revenue were canceled in rapid succession, Dan found himself in a better position to face the situation this time. He had a good leadership team, excellent client relationships and the agency was overall better prepared to figure out how to stay afloat during lockdowns. Rather than shouldering the burden individually, Dan and his leadership team collaborated closely with clients to develop innovative alternatives and pivoted quickly to create virtual experiences that maintained audience engagement despite physical restrictions. 3. Execute the highest levels of service Finally, the agency's latest critical moment happened last year, during economic shifts that hit many industries. Clients were pulling back on expenses as Dan had just launched a second agency, which requires a huge amount of capital. In part, it was the result of normal economic cycles during an election year but Dan admits it was also the result of poor planning on his part. After spending much of 2023 investing the first agency's profits into the launch of the second agency, it hit him in December that clients' annual contract renewals weren't going as smoothly as he'd hope. He started to see just how bad Q1 of 2024 could be if he didn't course correct. Once again, he relied on his team, who were tasked with continuing to execute at the highest level while he focused on business development. He also started focusing more on growing existing clients, after years with a laser focus on new business development, and invested some of his own savings into pulling the agency back up. Dan was also honest about the agency's situation with some key clients, who agreed to pay the year in full with a discount. Finally he put a heavy focus on delivering the best customer experience – aiming to become undeniable – following the teachings of Unreasonable Hospitality, by Will Guidara. The team all read the book and were instructed to apply those principles with each client. The result? Q1 was still a mess but things turned up by Q2 and by the end of the year they had record revenue and profits. Choosing Results Over Proximity Like many agencies, Dan's business runs most operations on remote, with only five to six team members coming into the office on a regular basis and some coming in once or twice a week. Although this shift does make it harder to get everyone on the same page and focused on the same target – and it does make training harder –, Dan admits it's better in almost every other aspect. Most critically, the remote structure grants access to an elite talent pool—a priority Dan values far above physical proximity. Whether team members work part-time from Alaska or elsewhere, his focus is on results rather than location. With a leadership philosophy that has changed from micromanaging to inspiring, he understands you need to trust your team to work remote. This comes after a lot of personal development work as he learned to listen more effectively and improve as a leader by taking guidance from his own team. This then led to identifying some necessary changes in the agency's culture, including replacing senior staff members who lacked leadership qualities. Now, instead of managing his team and overworking himself, he takes the time to enjoy his life. Finally, coaching and therapy have also help Dan open his eyes to the importance of diverse personality types within a leadership team. While he used to expect his team to tackle any situation exactly as he would, he now appreciates that this kind of mindset can lead to chaos in the team. Instead, varied perspectives in decision-making processes can lead to much better results. Why this is a Great Time to be an Agency Owner With traditional media on its deathbed, Dan believes this is actually the golden age for agency business, positioning communication professionals at the forefront of media evolution. He sees this as the optimal moment to launch podcasts and establish dominance in emerging media channels. Not everyone will adapt to these changes, and some agencies are struggling because of this. However, if you can adapt and make the best of this unbelievable moment in time with innovations like AI and much more freedom to be creative and innovative, you stand poised to thrive. Furthermore, nowadays people are much more willing to work with smaller agencies, relieving agency owners from the expectations of having a huge team or a fancy office. Instead, you get to focus on the ideas and building the best team possible with people from all over the world, which makes it a great time to be in this business. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you feel stuck in your agency journey? Are you trying to figure out the next step to grow? Don't know what you don't know but you DO know something is holding you back? These can be hard questions to figure out when you feel you have little to no support to help you identify areas of improvement and make necessary changes. This featured guest felt her agency was doing well with their defined niche, and capabilities. However, something was missing — as an owner, she felt isolated. This all changed when she joined an agency owner community where she could openly share her doubts and struggles while receiving actionable feedback and support. This pivotal decision transformed not only how she operated her business but also accelerated her personal development as a leader. Discover her experience building a business, the defining moment when she first identified as a true entrepreneur, and the two critical pivots that marked significant milestones in her agency's growth trajectory. Jennifer McPherson is the owner of Chickenango Marketing Solutions, a specialized marketing agency focusing on public involvement and marketing for engineering, construction, oil and gas utility clients. She shares her journey from spending 27 years in marketing roles within engineering firms to launching her own agency seven years ago. She discusses the motivation behind her transition and the challenges of building a business from the ground up. Jennifer reflects on the moment she realized her agency had truly become a real business and why the mastermind community has meant so much in the growth and self-improvement she's experienced in recent years. In this episode, we'll discuss: Community as the solution to agency owner isolation. Stop relying on project-based work. Finding fulfillment in the agency journey.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. The Leap from Corporate Marketing to Agency Founder Jennifer spent most of her career working on marketing roles within engineering firms, taking the step to venture on her own just seven years ago. Feeling a need for a change in direction, she set out to create an agency that would focus more on the engineering, construction, and oil & gas niche. Building her business, Jennifer quickly discovered that agency ownership extended far beyond simply practicing her marketing expertise independently. It demanded she master numerous aspects of running a company and navigate countless unexpected challenges. Despite these hurdles, she didn't fully perceive her venture as a legitimate business until she began hiring employees. Suddenly, her agency was no longer just a personal side hustle but an enterprise supporting other people's livelihoods, adding a profound layer of responsibility to her role as founder. 2 Pivots That Changed the Agency's Growth Trajectory In the years following her agency's launch, Jennifer achieved notable success and growth. Despite her professional achievement, she felt increasingly isolated in her role as an agency owner. Without connections to peers facing similar challenges, she lacked a support network of individuals who truly understood her unique experiences. Looking back, two important shifts got her out of that place: Community. Discovering Agency Mastery was a complete game changer for Jennifer. (This isn't just a shameless plug — but if not us, then find your people!) In addition to being the support she needed, this agency owner community also completely changed the way she ran her agency. With the mastermind's support, she went from figuring things out on her own to hiring a Chief Operating Officer, implementing efficient systems, and shifting her focus from being an operator to a true leader. The community also helped Jennifer get over the need to compare her success to others. The inherently competitive nature of the agency world often fosters unhealthy comparisons based on incomplete information about others' successes. Through her mastermind involvement, Jennifer gained insight into fellow owners' challenges, recognizing most face similar obstacles. She's also learned that community, a laser focus, and the right systems are the only things that will help you get by during rough patches. Predictable Cash Flow. Another pivotal moment was restructuring her business model to reduce dependency on project-based work. Her agency's focus on public involvement had previously meant operating on a project-by-project basis, a very difficult model to sustain since you're always choosing a next project and not building recurring revenue. With this pivot, her agency can now focus more on growth and building a pipeline to secure recurring revenue. This way, she is finally stepping out of being in the business to working on the business and focusing on its future. She is able to see that the future of her agency is beyond just her involvement. Finding Fulfillment in the Agency Journey Entrepreneurs often become fixated on end goals—whether it's selling a business, achieving financial independence, or reaching a certain level of market dominance. However, to make your business journey a truly fulfilling one, you'll need to do more. The journey of entrepreneurship is not just about hard work and determination. Luck and having the right team and community all play a role in what you enjoy doing and what you come to know as your agency's success. Many agency owners may feel frustrated by the daily grind and dream of selling their agency to feel free, but come to miss team work and sense of accomplishment after selling. Recognizing that the journey involves both struggle and triumph allows entrepreneurs to appreciate their efforts and find value in the process. In her experience, Jennifer loves the relationship building and connections as much as she loves winning. This is why she has come to define success as a journey is rich with learning opportunities, personal growth, and meaningful connections that contribute to a fulfilling entrepreneurial life. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Have you ever turned to freelancers to grow your agency's capabilities? What about using fractional support once you realized you couldn't do everything as the founder and face of the agency? What if the key to sustainable growth isn't building a massive in-house team, but leveraging the right fractional support at the right time? Today's guests are two agency owners who turned a modest freelance setup into a thriving multimillion-dollar business—largely through referrals and the strength of their personal networks. They share how a flexible team of contractors became their secret weapon, offering the agility to scale without the overhead of a traditional agency structure. Tune in to learn how former competitors found a way to build a successful collaboration and why fractional support was a big part of their operation from the start. Sydney Mulligan and Lauren Aquilino are the co-founders of Emmie Collective, a for-hire network of elite independent & freelance marketing, sales, and revops consultants with big tech energy. They share their journey of entrepreneurship, reflect on their backgrounds as former competitors in the marketing industry, and the bond that brought them together. Sydney also recounts her experience of being laid off while on maternity leave, which sparked the idea for Emmie Collective while Lauren discusses her transition from freelancing to building a business as demand for her services grew. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why the fractional model was the best option for bootstrapping an agency. When should the agency owners stop being the face of the agency? External funding vs. control in agency growth.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. When Competitors Become Co-Founders Before forming their partnership, Sydney and Lauren worked at competing agencies while also participating in Marketo's customer champion program. Their paths diverged when both eventually left their respective agencies—Lauren to pursue freelance work, initially planning for just 10 hours weekly during summer to rest after quitting her job. However, her freelance business quickly expanded beyond expectations, growing to 20 hours weekly and requiring additional contractor support. Meanwhile, Sydney had taken an in-house position but faced an unexpected setback when she was laid off during her maternity leave. As she navigated the job interview process, she began conversations with Lauren, who was contemplating transforming her freelance operation into a formal business. Lauren recognized Sydney as a valuable potential partner—in fact, the only person she would consider building a business with. After discussing their business vision, they decided it was time to meet face-to-face. Their first in-person meeting in Florida became what they jokingly refer to as their "speed dating" session. During this three-day encounter, they exchanged ideas and developed business plans while Sydney cared for her six-week-old baby. The meeting proved decisive—by the time they both landed back home, they had confirmed their mutual desire to build an agency together. Why the Fractional Model Is Best for Bootstraping an Agency Their participation in the customer champion program helped Sydney and Lauren establish strong reputations within a specialized niche market. With this foundation, they were able to launch their agency business with a strong base of referral clients. One unexpected advantage they discovered was the relative ease of attracting consultants eager to work with their new agency. Anticipating potential staffing challenges typical for startups, they had proactively designed their business model around freelancers and contractors. This strategy allowed them to sidestep the common industry pressure of requiring employees to meet specific billable hour quotas. Instead, freelancers had the flexibility to determine their own workload and schedules. To this day they continue to work with consultants, firmly believing that fractional support provides clients with optimal access to senior specialized expertise. By leveraging fractional experts, their agency effectively addresses specific client challenges, enhances operational efficiency, and frees internal resources to focus on strategic growth initiatives. When Should the Founders Stop Being the Face of the Agency? Balancing Growth and Client Relationships Sydney and Lauren's agency growth eventually confronted them with the challenge of hitting the limit on what they could do by themselves. With the agency growing, more and more clients and consultants coming in, and traveling for events, it just got to be too much. Sydney recalls a particularly stressful period when she felt overwhelmed, unable to keep track of their growing client base and the myriad responsibilities that came with it. They recognized they could no longer manage everything alone. When an agency owner clings to control it causes issues with bottlenecking, even become an operational issue and their agency's biggest profit leak. For Sydney and Lauren, was time for a change and the first crucial step was hiring a fractional account manager to ensure there was someone else keeping track of every client. This not only alleviated some of the burdens on Sydney but also allowed them to focus on strategic growth rather than getting bogged down in day-to-day operations. It's not an easy shift to make, and quite tricky for Sydney and Lauren, who built the agency on the back of their own networks and therefore are still the face of it. They continue to wrestle with how much to pull back, risking that clients feel they no longer interact with them. For those facing similar challenges, it's worth noting that even prominent agency leaders like Gary Vaynerchuk maintain their status as organizational figureheads while having minimal involvement in daily operations. This successful transition typically requires thoroughly training team members in core agency values to ensure consistent decision-making and actively promoting team capabilities to clients—emphasizing that a dedicated team provides superior service compared to founder-only support. External Funding vs. Control in Agency Growth After bootstrapping their business, Sydney and Lauren now face the question of whether or not to take on funding to continue to scale. While they recognize the potential advantages that investment capital could bring—accelerated expansion and resources for recruiting top talent—they also remain cautious about the significant tradeoffs involved. Most of all, they worry about the fundamental shift from being independent business owners to essentially working for investors since "once you start raising money, you'll always be raising money"—with a continuous cycle of accountability to external stakeholders. For the time being, they continue to prioritize maintaining complete control over their growth trajectory, preferring the stability and autonomy of their current approach even if it means potentially slower expansion. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you have a sales system in place for showcasing your agencies services at a low-cost price point that creates an easy “yes” for your prospects? Many agencies are giving away insights in order to land big projects. However, a well-crafted foot-in-the-door offer helps you close clients faster by giving them a taste of what it's like to work with your agency, but also allows you to qualify whether a prospect is the right fit for your agency and team. Today's featured guest shares how productizing his offer helped streamline his sales process and communicate a clear value proposition. Furthermore, after building his strategic foot-in-the-door offer, he's been testing different pricing models to make it an easy “yes” for prospects while still attracting high-quality clients. Discover practical insights on scaling your agency, improving your sales strategy, and boosting conversion rates with intentional, value-driven offers. Spencer Powell is the founder of Builder Funnel, a digital marketing agency with roots in direct mail. He shares his journey transforming his family's direct mail business into a digital marketing powerhouse, discusses strategies for converting clients faster and easier, and talks about his recent experience building a foot in the door offer, which he is currently in the process of adapting and testing. Spencer has been on the show before talking about the game-changing move to get paid for strategy instead of giving away ideas and research for free. In this episode, we'll discuss: How a productized offer can revolutionize conversions. Building a successful foot-in-the-door offer. How could rethinking the entry-level pricing benefit sales? Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Three Generations of Marketing Evolution and Adaptability Spencer's marketing roots run deep as part of a family legacy. His grandfather established a direct mail company that his father later acquired in the 1990s. Demonstrating entrepreneurial spirit early on, Spencer launched his own social media business as a side hustle immediately after college. The family business reached a turning point when Spencer's father attended an industry event where he heard direct mail was becoming obsolete. Recognizing the need to evolve, he invited Spencer to help transition the agency into the digital era. Together, they developed the agency's brand, realizing that having a niche would be an important to create a competitive advantage. This new direction proved so promising that they eventually sold off the direct mail division to concentrate fully on growing their digital brand. As the final step in this transformation, Spencer ultimately purchased his father's ownership stake and continued driving the business forward. How a Productized Offer Revolutionized Conversion Rates Like many agency owners, Spencer allowed himself to be in the sales seat for far too long, with an offer that included building custom proposals for all incoming prospects – a time-consuming process with unpredictable returns. The first step out of this was productizing his offer, which led to the creation of the "Remodeler Marketing Blueprint," a fixed-fee service providing clients with comprehensive one-year marketing strategies. This productized approach served dual purposes: it systematized the sales process while establishing a clear value proposition. Clients were offered to either implement the strategies independently using provided resources or hire the agency for full execution. By doing so, his agency not only streamlined their sales process but also established a clear value proposition and the agency's conversion rates soared from 15% to 70%. Despite this success, a one-year marketing plan was still a huge undertaking and there was opportunity to develop an even more accessible entry-level offering that could serve as a true foot-in-the-door product. 3-Step Agency Sales System to Build a Foot-In-The-Door Per Jason's suggestion, Spencer and his team borrowed the structure to build a foot in the door strategy and set up a discovery call – ranging from 15-30 minutes – which they use to assess if the prospect is a good fit, in the right industry, and are asking for services that the agency offers. If this discovery call is a success, the team will move on to selling a marketing framework call, a $497 call where they do an exhaustive run through of their website, look into their SEO and ads, and walk them through their Attract, Convert, and Measure framework. At the end of the call, the client will either take what they've learned and implement it themselves, move on to the next step of working with his agency, or ask for their money back. The framework was a success, with 35.5% of those who participated in the framework call converted into clients last year. Jason emphasized that the initial discovery call should evaluate whether prospects would be good long-term agency partners rather than just qualifying them for the framework call. Following this advice, Spencer encourages his sales team to book as many calls as possible, to get the practice they need to start discerning which prospects would actually move ahead to work with the agency and which never intended to get beyond that call. Implementing these steps was a real game changer for Spencer, who can now continually tweak, update, and improve it by recording the sales calls and review them with the team to highlight successes and room for improvement. All in all, the structure of an offering ladder will make it easier for the prospect, the sales team, and overall for the agency to offer value and better qualify clients. Rethinking Entry-Level Pricing Now, Spencer is in the process of reviewing his agency's foot-in-the-door pricing, by lowering it from the current $497 to around $197. Why charge less? Spencer finds that prospects often need to consult with higher-ups before committing to the current Price, which either slows down the process or could be the end of that interaction. However, these sorts of instances could indicate they're not speaking with a decision-maker, which agencies ideally should be when it comes to selling a foot in the door. For now, early results indicated a promising trend, with a notable increase in the number of scheduled calls and successful conversions. On one hand, this is a positive development, but it could also mean that the lower price point is also attracting prospects who are not the agency's ideal client. The team is exploring different ways to frame this pricing adjustment, such as positioning it as a limited-time offer or explaining that while the agency barely breaks even at this price point, it serves to identify genuinely interested prospects. They're also careful to clarify that this special rate doesn't reflect their standard hourly billing, which is substantially higher. It's something that Spencer will continue to evaluate with his team. If the lower price helps them acquire more clients monthly, it may prove beneficial in the short term and something they can revise in a couple of months looking, for instance, at client retention and how those relationships ultimately played out. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training How often and effectively do you communicate with clients? What strategies are you implementing to build trust and develop lasting relationships to retain good clients? We all have blind spots in business, and today's featured guest identified one of the most significant ones for business owners is client communication and how messages succeed or fail to get through effectively. He'll share his journey of starting a business with the mission of helping business owners identify and repair communication gaps with clients to forge stronger relationships and discuss how he found his niche. He'll also address common communication blind spots that undermine client relationships and emphasize why agency owners must remember that this is fundamentally a relationship business—one where building connections should precede any sales pitch. Join us for insights into marketing, communication, and the importance of addressing blind spots in both business and life. Tim Riddle is the founder of Discover Blind Spots, a marketing agency that specializes in helping financial advisors uncover and address these blind spots in their marketing and messaging. He shares his journey into the marketing agency world, the origin of his agency's unique name, and how his exploration of blind spots in life led him to identify communication as a critical area where businesses often struggle. In this episode, we'll discuss: Choosing a niche in solving their common blind spots. 2 key elements of client communication. Letting clients have the spotlight to build trust.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Choosing a Niche and Solving their Common Blind Spot Tim's agency name, Discover Blind Spots, originated from a book he had written years before contemplating entrepreneurship. In "Blind Spots: What You Don't See Can Hurt You," he explored various cognitive and perceptual gaps people commonly experience. During his research, he found one theme kept coming up: communication failures. With entrepreneurial insight, Tim recognized this widespread communication gap as a potential business opportunity. He launched his venture with an ambitious vision of transforming business owners' careers through improved communication. Despite starting with no clients and no immediate prospects, he couldn't let go of the idea without at least trying. Initially, he started by offering his services for free asking only for positive reviews, aiming to build credibility and visibility. However, the true turning point came unexpectedly during a conversation with a friend who was a financial advisor. During their conversation, Tim inquired about his friend's client relationship management approach and got the typical answer of meeting with them for lunch every once in a while. When Tim learned his friend had approximately 300 clients but had only arranged a handful of lunches that year, he saw an opportunity to fill that communicational gap and offered a tailored solution that included creating content, both video and written that would reflect the advisor's voice and perspective, to authentically communicate and engage with his clients. It was a risk to pivot his focus towards financial advisors, a sector he had not originally planned to target, but it was this very risk that led to the establishment of a successful niche for his agency. Transitioning to Premium Pricing Based on Value While that was his first introduction to what would become his niche going forward, it did not immediately translate into paid work. The relationship with this financial advisor served as a crucial stepping stone rather than a direct revenue source. That milestone came later, as Tim's friend introduced him and recommended him to more potential clients and his opportunities in the sector grew. Once he saw the opportunity to monetize his services, Tim started by charging a modest $500 per project, a common approach among agency owners. Finally, once he landed his first big client, he was asked to come up with a monthly fee and upgraded to charging $5,000 per month. It was a shift to a value-based pricing model most agency owners take too long to adopt and a starting point to truly start scaling the agency. 2 Key Elements of Top-Notch Client Communication We've all experienced customer service that starts strong during the sales process but deteriorates once the purchase is complete. Poor follow-up communication leaves clients with unanswered questions about their purchase, casting a negative shadow over the entire experience. Responsiveness: Tim believes silence is the enemy in client relationships. He says there's never a good reason to allow communication gaps that make clients question the relationship. Likewise, he warns against applying a transactional mindset to a relationship-driven business. This only serves to frustrate clients and lead to missed opportunities. Being responsive doesn't mean having immediate answers or dropping everything to find them. Often, a simple acknowledgment that you don't have the information yet but are working to get it promptly can significantly reassure clients. Adaptability: Another key aspect of Tim's approach is identifying each client's preferred communication channel early in the relationship. People have different preferences—some avoid phone calls and find emails to be less intrusive while others prefer them as a quicker way to solve an issue. By adapting to the client's preferred mode of communication, agencies can save considerable time and stress. Interestingly, if you're attentive, clients often reveal their communication preferences through their behavior without you having to ask directly. For instance, if a client rarely responds to emails but answers calls promptly, they likely prefer handling matters quickly by phone. Taking the extra effort to communicate in a style that resonates with each client leads to faster resolutions and more productive partnerships. Allowing Clients to Have the Spotlight Leads to Trust & Effective Communication Tim's efforts to adapt to clients have extended beyond just communication channels to improve the overall client experience, particularly during initial meetings. Traditionally, he would schedule two-hour sessions packed with questions, aiming to leave with a comprehensive 90-day action plan. More recently, however, he began to start the meeting by asking the client “tell me a little about yourself”. This can lead to a 5-minute summary or a 30-minute account of their business' history but Tim finds letting the client feel heard helps out them at ease and leads to smoother more amicable meetings. As an expert, you might quickly identify solutions to a client's problems within minutes of meeting them. However, rushing to provide answers won't help establish the trust necessary for a successful partnership. Building that sense of safety requires patience—sitting back and truly listening as clients share what they believe is essential information. This approach enables them to feel confident that you have a complete understanding of their situation before developing an action plan.  People have a fundamental desire to be understood. By creating space for clients to share their stories and experiences, businesses can cultivate meaningful trust and rapport that serve as the bedrock for successful long-term relationships. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What truly makes clients choose one agency over another? What are the essential qualities that elevate an agency from service provider to trusted partner? Today's featured guest brings a rare 360-degree perspective to these crucial questions. As a fractional CMO with extensive experience on both sides of the relationship, our guest provides unique insights into the dynamics of successful agency-client partnerships. Tune in for actionable insights that will help agencies strengthen their client relationships, refine their service approach, and position themselves as indispensable strategic partners. Alex Hultgren is a seasoned fractional CMO with extensive experience in both client and agency roles. He shares his journey through the marketing landscape, from starting at Ford Motor Company and leading marketing efforts at Polaris to transitioning to agency life at Hayworth and later starting his own business. Alex discusses the expectations that brands have when working with agencies, what he used to look for in an ideal agency partner, and the reason he kept his business boutique and has chose to work with contractors. In this episode, we'll discuss: Learning to forge deep agency partnerships in corporate marketing. Elements of effective agency relationships. Why he chose to prioritize autonomy over growth. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Forging Deep Agency Partnerships in Corporate Marketing Alex's professional trajectory spanned both corporate and agency environments before culminating in entrepreneurship. He started his career working at Ford Motor Company, as part of their marketing leadership program for fourteen years, and then running marketing for Victory Motorcycle as part of Polaris. He then went on to work on the agency side as one of the three leads of Walmart's media accounts at Hayworth. In 2021 he decided to take all that experience to build his own business. During his time at Ford, Alex only ever worked with one agency team, the team at JTW. Although large corporations normally have many agencies working at different projects at a time, Ford preferred to maintain an exclusive agency partnership and, even when digital marketing started to be an important part of their strategy, they only used other agencies as contractors for limited periods. On one hand, this meant there weren't many options if he didn't like the work, other than asking them to go back to the drawing board. On the other hand, it also meant they formed a deeply integrated partnership, as they were more of an extension of his team than merely external service providers. By contrast, at Polaris he had a fraction of the budget but found himself coordinating multiple specialized agencies handling different aspects of the business, which proved to be considerable demanding. However, in both cases he always saw agencies as partners and part of his team. The Foundation of Effective Agency Partnerships In choosing agencies, one of the major problems Alex encountered was agencies that promised they could deliver on something when they clearly couldn't. For him, it came down to Could they be trusted to do the work? Did they know what they were doing? Most clients are looking for agencies that can alleviate their burdens by providing solutions without requiring micromanagement. Hence, an ideal agency partner should be able to take a problem, devise a solution, and communicate progress effectively. However, trust is not enough when communication is lacking and one of the major hurdles Alex faced working on the client side was getting enough clarity from the company on what they wanted from the agency. To bridge this gap, agencies must take the initiative to foster open lines of communication. This includes asking the right questions to extract meaningful feedback from clients and internal stakeholders. Finally, Alex also believes an agency should be able to take calculated risks because innovative ideas can sometimes face resistance from traditional corporate structures. The ability to push through skepticism and advocate for creative solutions is a testament to the trust that exists within a strong agency-client relationship. To address this client skepticism about design or content choices, Alex suggests AB testing the material and see how customers behave. This approach shifts the conversation from subjective preferences to measurable customer behavior—the ultimate metric for evaluating marketing effectiveness. Prioritizing Autonomy Over Growth Even after successfully scaling his agency, Alex made a deliberate choice to maintain a lean operation, preferring to collaborate with contractors rather than building a traditional team structure. To him, the more traditional style seemed like an option that would take away the flexibility and freedom he hoped to obtain by building his business. Right now, he has the ultimate authority regarding what work and clients he takes on, and it's not something he would give up. While operating as a small agency might seem limiting, Alex is part of a group that provides him with extensive capabilities without sacrificing independence. This federation—called the Chameleon Collective, is comprised of 40-50 fractional executives (CMOs, CROs, and CTOs) alongside approximately ninety specialized marketing experts and enables a modular approach to team building. This model also addresses a problem that plagues big organizations: meeting waste. From his time working at Ford Alex remembers the frustration of back-to-back meetings that yield little value. He sees a need to reevaluate the purpose of meetings, advocating for a shift away from status updates that could be conveyed via email to more focused discussions aimed at problem-solving, as well as scheduling 15-minute meetings instead of defaulting to longer time blocks and empowering team members to opt out of meetings that do not pertain to their roles. Ultimately, Alex has prioritized an agency model that prioritizes effectiveness, strategic alignment, and adaptability—values that directly contrast with the rigid structures he experienced in his corporate career. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you still relying on basic ChatGPT prompts while your competitors create intelligent systems that work for them around the clock? The gap between basic AI users and strategic implementers is widening rapidly—and it could determine which agencies thrive in the coming years. Today's featured guest leads the pack for this AI revolution. Through systematic implementation of advanced automation solutions, she drove an impressive 20% productivity increase across her agency's operations. By strategically integrating AI technologies throughout their processes, she's transformed her agency's capabilities and efficiency. Additionally, she's now also helping businesses achieve these same results. Join us as we explore the exciting opportunities AI presents for businesses today and learn about her most successful tool: AI agents. We welcome back Khushbu Doshi, COO of E2M Solutions, a white label agency partner where she focuses on driving more business and creating a world-class experience for their agency community to help them grow and reach their goals. With over eight years of experience and having worked with more than 500 agencies, Khushbu dives into her recent journey exploring AI, including a significant productivity boost of 20% through automation. She also talks about AI agents, explaining how they differ from simply using tools like ChatGPT, and highlights their potential to streamline processes and enhance efficiency for agencies. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why agents are the next step in AI usage in agencies. AI-powered onboarding. Ideas to expand AI application.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio The Next Evolution of AI for Agencies: From Prompt Engineering to AI Agents Most people think of AI innovation as learning to use ChatGPT and asking the right questions to get the most effective answers. While prompt engineering certainly has value, it represents only the beginning of AI's potential for agency operations. The next evolution—AI agents—offers significantly more sophisticated capabilities that can transform agency workflows. Agents are a more specialized application of artificial intelligence designed to perform specific tasks based on user-defined parameters. How is this relevant for agencies? Unlike general-purpose AI tools, which provide responses based on a broad range of inputs, AI agents can be customized to understand and execute particular functions. They can be trained to understand particular clients, recall campaign histories, apply agency-specific methodologies, and operate within defined strategic frameworks. This means that agency teams now have the ability to develop custom AI agents trained to operate according to specific requirements. The resulting tool works much better compared to just a conversation with ChatGPT. AI-Powered Employee Onboarding For agency owners interested in exploring AI agents, the process is remarkably accessible. Starting on the ChatGPT platform, users can simply select "create," name their agent, and begin training it with relevant information like branding guidelines, past success stories, and common client challenges. In her case, Khushbu also uses AI agents for onboarding new new team members dreading the prospect of reading through extensive standard operating procedure (SOP) documents. However, it's still a vital part of their training, so Khushbu thought of updating the process and making it more dynamic by training an agent to be an SOP expert. She fed it all the SOPs and instructed it to answer only the questions asked to it without searching the internet. This way, the SOPs are the agent's knowledge base, never defaulting to the web for answers. After implementing this system, Khushbu conducted a comparative test by providing new team members with both traditional SOP documentation and access to the AI agent. The new team members were fascinated by the idea of not having to go to a supervisor with their questions and maybe feeling inadequate. Instead, they can ask as many questions as they like without feeling judged. This efficiency not only saves time but also allows team members to focus on more strategic tasks rather than getting bogged down in repetitive information retrieval. Expanding AI Agent Applications in Agency Operations Quality Assurance Automation AI agents also excel in quality testing and following precise procedures consistently. You can program an agent to follow detailed checklists, ensuring that all necessary steps in a process are completed efficiently, thereby saving time and resources while maintaining high standards. Khushbu suggests implementing a fallback strategy for comprehensive quality assessment. When an agent encounters limitations in its testing capability, it should clearly document: Which items it successfully evaluated Which items it couldn't assess Specific reasons for any testing limitations This strategy delivers substantial efficiency gains even when complete automation isn't possible. If the agent can only check 300 out of a list of 500 points, it has still reduced the amount of work for the assigned employee to do by 200 points. Creating an AI Agency Within Your Agency Furthermore, you can program agents to work a specific role within your team and have several agents to communicate with each other. In this sense, you can build an AI social media team, with a CMO, strategist, tester, etc, and automate 90% of the marketing process. With AI agents generating ideas, testing concepts, producing initial drafts, and evaluating performance metrics, the human team can then focus on selecting optimal approaches, refining creative elements, and adding the distinctive perspective that differentiates the agency's work. Competitive Intelligence Automation Finally, it's also a great way to automate the research needed in your particular industry. If you want to know what your competitors are up to, just program an agent to do that research for you and present a summary of the campaigns they're running and you'll be saving a lot of time. A Wake-Up Call for AI-Reluctant Agencies Right now it seems every day there are new ways to integrate AI into your agency services and it can be as exciting as it can be overwhelming. Just remember that this technology has the potential to make your life easier in many ways, and that's how it should be used. As organizations explore the potential of AI tools, try to remain open-minded and proactive in seeking out innovative solutions. Khushbu encourages listeners to look beyond the mainstream offerings and discover the myriad of tools that can enhance their operations. By doing so, they can position themselves at the forefront of technological advancements and operational efficiency. Refusing to use AI nowadays would be like refusing to use the internet back in the late 90s. The technology is already here so there's no going back; It's only a matter of whether or not you're willing to adapt and not be left behind. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Is SEO still a viable service offering? If you're an SEO agency, are you at risk for extinction? With AI taking over many industries at the moment, it's no wonder people are asking if it's rise means the death of SEO. Today's featured guest is an SEO expert that found her path into the industry after discovering her passion for tech. She discusses how AI is reshaping the SEO industry — not eliminating it, but transforming its execution and potential. The fundamental principles that have always driven search engine optimization continue to matter, though their implementation evolves alongside technological advancement. Tune in to gain insights into how forward-thinking businesses are adapting their SEO strategies to thrive in this new environment, and gain practical insights for navigating this shifting digital terrain. Lindsay Halsey is the owner of Pathfinder SEO an agency that helps clients grow their recurring revenue by getting the system, tools, and training to add SEO services to their agency. She reflects on the early days of SEO, reminisces about outdated practices, and talks about why the rise of artificial intelligence and “alternative search engines” does not mean you should stop investing in SEO. In this episode, we'll discuss: 3 core principles of SEO that haven't changed. Did AI kill SEO? Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio an Turning a Love of Digital Technology into an SEO Agency In the early days of SEO, when tactics like hiding keywords in same-colored backgrounds were still common practice, Lindsay was finding her footing in a vastly different field working as a ski patroller and mountain guide. Her dramatic career shift came through a HTML and CSS course at her local community college that developed a consuming passion for technology. As she devoted increasingly more time to computer work, her hobby naturally transitioned into a professional opportunity, leading to her first position as an SEO account manager at a local agency. After gaining valuable experience during her two-year tenure at the agency, Lindsay took the entrepreneurial leap. Partnering with a colleague and securing their first client, she launched her own business. In retrospect, she knows their initial pricing structure was too conservative—offering SEO and Google Ads services for merely $500. Despite this undervaluation, she's proud of having prioritized recurring revenue from the start, a lesson she took from her years at the previous agency. Unlike project-based work, which often creates financial unpredictability, a subscription model provides the stable financial foundation necessary for strategic planning and sustainable growth. Within the first year of launching their agency, they managed to generate enough recurring revenue to pay themselves salaries that surpassed what they earned in their previous jobs, which was an important victory that helped cement their belief in the business. 3 Core Principles of SEO in 2025: The principles of SEO have undergone significant transformations over the 15 years that Lindsay has been in the space. At its core, however, the values that guide the industry remain and now Google has gotten better as measuring and rewarding them: User experience. You need to have a well-built and secure website that is easy to use and has good design. Genuine experience and expertise. No more getting away with lame content that just repeats keywords. External validation. There have to be external signals that validate a brand's expertise. This includes back links from reputable websites, positive Google reviews, and the establishment of authority figures within the organization. Did AI Kill SEO? The conversation around Search Engine Optimization often oscillates between optimism and skepticism. Lately, it has focused on AI and why its rise means that SEO is dead. Indeed, the rise of AI has also meant a rise of “alternative search engines”. Basically, this means that people are starting to move to ask ChatGPT questions they would have previously asked the Google search engine. The answers provided by AI are rapidly improving, and users will see both advantages and disadvantages in queries answered by AI and answered by Google. For her part, Lindsay has been seeing this fear surge every couple of years in the industry and isn't worried about the inevitable questions of “should I invest in SEO? Will it even be around?” Her answer continues to be a resounding YES. There might be some changes and some trends, but there's still value of ranking in Google and so it will continue to be a part of a business's long-term strategy. Of course, as owner of an SEO agency, Lindsay continues to monitor this rise of alternative search engines and assess where they fall into the industry. It could very well be that they'll be part of the strategy moving forward. For now, her agency continues to help clients navigate that transition by creating content that helps them rank in all searches. Ultimately, SEO is adapting to new technologies and user behaviors, and by understanding and leveraging user behavior, businesses can enhance their SEO efforts, leading to greater visibility and success in the digital marketplace. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you have the right team in place to remove yourself from fulfillment and sales? What about a partner that may no longer be aligned with the agency's vision or culture? Today's featured guest figured out a perfect niche for his abilities in data analytics and went on to create his agency. Along the road, he was met with unexpected challenges, like finding out the right employees are not necessarily the ones with the most expertise, ending partnerships that turned out to be fundamentally misaligned, and the best way to ensure he's always working with his ideal audience. Learn about the lessons he's learned with each bump on the road, and the most important lesson about losing clients to a price increase. Jacob Baadsgaard is the founder of Disruptive Advertising, a performance marketing agency that only works with selected brands to create game-changing magic and help them reach their goals, make a positive impact on the world, and claim the leading edge in their industries. With over 13 years in the industry, Jake discusses his journey into digital marketing, how he tested his business model leveraging data to benefit smaller businesses, setting up the mechanisms for an amicable partner split, and how he narrowed down the ideal audience his team needed to focus on to improve client relationships. In this episode, we'll discuss: How to make a drama-free partner split. Hiring for the needs of the agency as it grows. 3 key questions to assess lead viability.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Finding a Gap and Turning Expertise into an Agency Armed with a degree in information systems, Jake started his career by helping large corporations analyze and integrate their backend customer data, identifying the effectiveness of their paid advertising efforts. Jacob recognized that even industry giants struggled with data integration and saw an opportunity to build a freelance career offering this specialized expertise. Later he expanded offering beyond large corporations by helping small businesses as well. As much as he liked data, implementing it was where the money and the opportunities are at. This is how he went from just analyzing datas to helping clients develop smarter marketing strategies. He shows his clients they don't need to outspend their competition, just outsmart them by spending where it matters most. Re-Negotiating Price Based on Value Jacob started offering his services for free to test whether or not his methods could really help grow a business. Once he had clear evidence of his value, the experiment was over and it was time for a structured pricing model, initially charging $2,000 per month and later increasing to $5,000. However, as he was managing marketing budgets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars per month he realized his rates were still a bargain for these companies. Once he brought up the subject of renegotiating his rate, he faced resistance. Rather than compromise his worth, he held firm at the risk of losing clients by maintaining what he knew was his value. Some clients did go to other agencies, and after realizing how much the work was actually worth, came back willing to work out a new deal with him. Early Planning for a Partner Split Saves Headaches Later Jacob realized he needed help on with fulfillment if he wanted to grow. However, he struggled to find the right talent. Initially, he hired his high school best friend, which could have gone sideways in many ways, but thankfully proved to be an effective working relationship. On the other hand, he had a different experience with his first partner. Lacking confidence in his independent capabilities, he initially sought a partner to help launch the business. Within months, it became clear the partnership was fundamentally misaligned. One of the biggest lessons for him was that he should've trusted his own ability to start the business by himself, rather than getting into a partnership he wasn't 100% sure of. Fortunately, Jacob had taken the step to work with an attorney who helped him place a clear exit strategy in case things didn't work out. The pre-agreed terms allowed each partner to retain clients they had originally brought to the business. Thanks to this foresight, the already emotional process of splitting up a partnership ended up not being a logistical nightmare. Hiring for the Needs of the Agency as it Grows For any agency owner, the entrepreneurial journey is marked by distinct "no-man's land" moments that challenge their agency's development. For Jacob, the first one he recalls was growing beyond himself, which he solved by hiring three or four people to help him execute contracts and get to a couple million dollars in revenue. The next hurdle had to do with sales leadership, as he felt the weight handling that part of the business all by himself. While his team had mastered contract execution, Jacob recognized the need to remove himself from the sales process to continue scaling. Initially, he made some expensive hires based on expertise. However, it didn't yield the results he expected. The new hires brought with them established methodologies and approaches that may have worked in different contexts but did not align with his agency's unique needs and culture. In fact, what really worked later on was hiring a young and hungry sales person without a lot of experience but was eager to learn and take things off his plate. 3 Key Questions to Assess Lead Viability The next challenge Jacob overcame was figuring out his target audience. Without this, his agency was churning as many clients as they were selling on a monthly basis. As he recalls, the agency's experiences with proof-of-concept clients often led to a high rate of employee dissatisfaction and operational headaches. These clients, while potentially promising, frequently lacked the financial stability and established business models necessary for a fruitful partnership. Ultimately, this led the agency to reassess its client selection criteria and better define their target by training the team to ask three important questions when assessing a lead: Are they viable? What is the revenue threshold that makes this company able to afford you? For Jake's agency, it was three to five million in revenue. Are they win-win minded? Meaning, do they only care about making money or have they shown they also care about their customers and employees? Can you show results in 6 months? Jacob knows its important to be impactful right away. For that reason, he asks himself if the team will be able to make a substantial improvement to the prospect's business in the first 6 months working together. If the answer to each of these questions is yes, then it's right for a successful relationship. Keep the Message Simple When Marketing Your Agency There's a tendency for marketers to complicate their messaging, often in an attempt to convey too much information at once. This approach can confuse potential clients and dilute the core message that needs to be communicated. The point of effective marketing is to attract attention and guide the audience through a clear and structured journey. Jason urges agency owners to have this in mind when doing their own marketing, since this emotional connection can cloud judgment, making it difficult for entrepreneurs to view their marketing strategies objectively. This mindset shift will be especially necessary when you're thinking about selling your business, which many business owners can see as selling a part of themselves. Instead of equating your identity with the business, detach your self-worth from their business roles so you can make more rational decisions regarding marketing and business operations that will ultimately lead to better outcomes. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training   Does your agency do spec creative work for pitches? How do you decide which pitches are worth your time? Do you have criteria for pitches that will positively impact your agency? Pitching is a very condensed and unreal way to work and many times you spin your wheels without producing the best results. Today's featured guest specializes in connecting brands with ideal agency partners, employing a meticulous approach to matchmaking benefitting both parties. The process of selecting a client-agency partnerships is intensive. For agencies looking to stand out, the key lies in demonstrating their unique value proposition and gaining a deeper understanding of what brands are looking for and how to evaluate which pitches would bring more benefits for the business. Tom Denford is the co-founder and CEO of ID Comms, an advisory and analytics firm dedicated to helping brands optimize their media strategies. With extensive experience in conducting pitches, Tom provides valuable tips on what makes a pitch successful, why agencies should consider whether their capabilities match the project, and other important questions to ask to decide who to pitch for. In this episode, we'll discuss: No more spec work: resetting client expectations. Focusing on big name clients. 4 questions before pitching a client. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Finding The Best Agency Candidates to Work with Brands Tom's agency primarily serves marketing and procurement leaders in consumer-facing brands. They help them building internal teams to manage media, finding and contracting pitches, and providing analytics to ensure that every marketing dollar is utilized efficiently. As he sees it, his services can be summed up as follows: Finding candidates that meet the clients' needs. Once they establish a scope of work or a particular ambition on the part of the brand, they make a list of agencies that have the capabilities to service that scope. Taking money off the table. Tom and his team don't want the final decision between agencies to come down to price, so they try to be very clear about the media rates they can get and what the terms and conditions will be. Give the clients space and time. Clients need space and time to fall in love with the people since ultimately, even in global pitches, the relationships are what will matter the most. No More Spec Work: How to Reset Client Expectations For years, agencies have been strategically working to redefine their approach to client acquisition. The traditional pitch process, which often requires creatives to offer their intellectual property without compensation, has become increasingly problematic. Tom believes it's not appropriate for brands to expect creatives to give away their ideas, as it is their intellectual property. On the media side, he says, pitches tend to come with conditions, wherein the advertiser will have rights over the work. Agencies should seek to change the dynamic by offering a paid brainstorm session. The client will have the right to keep any ideas that result from that session and the agency gets paid for their work and has the opportunity to turn that session into a larger agreement. Some clients won't like the idea of a paid session and that's okay. The point is to try to move away from the norm of work without any guarantees. Working with multi-million dollar companies that can't sit down for a meeting or paid session with several agencies, Tom knows it all comes down to the capabilities first and foremost. Although it's fair that the customer gets to stress test the agency's capabilities, he is very against the idea of treating the selection like a beauty pageant. Hence, he asks his CMOs to write down a brief detailing exactly what they expect from an agency, in terms of capabilities, culture, etc. so they can bring the best candidates to them. In the end, it's fair for both brands and agencies can develop their own set of rules regarding how to evaluate a potential relationship. Should You Focus on Having Big-Name Clients? Many agency owners fall into the trap of equating success with high-profile clients, feeling pressured to impress their peers with a roster of recognized brands. In reality, you don't need to work with the biggest clients to have a successful agency and you don't have to pursue them if you don't want to. You can walk into agency events not having worked with the biggest brands but knowing your business is far more profitable than many there. Separate your ego from those types of decisions so you can differentiate when a client will actually be good for the business. Having clarity about your goals will allow you to make those decisions. Do you have a clear vision of your goals with the agency? Have you outlined who your ideal client is and the niche you want to focus on? If not, then ask yourself what would you do and who would you be working for if you were paid on performance only? Lack of clarity is something Tom deals with as reviews proposals from agencies driven more by ego than strategic intent. They want to say they won a very lucrative deal with a big brand but are not thinking whether they have the capabilities to do the work or have a clear idea or how it will positively impact their business. Such approaches are fraught with risk and can ultimately undermine an agency's reputation and financial stability. 4 Questions to Ask When Deciding Whether to Pitch Tom mostly works with brands looking for agency partners and has useful tips for agency owners and CEOs to assess potential opportunities. He advises agency owners to always ask themselves these four questions when reviewing a pitch brief: Is it winnable? A lot of pitches are more like clients trying to start a pageant and solicit ideas without the intention of presenting a genuine opportunity. If there's a consultant like himself involved, Tom suggests calling them to see what the brand really wants and make decisions based on that. Do we want to win this? Winning new business can be enticing, but not every opportunity aligns with the agency's vision or long-term goals. So reflect on your strategic priorities because you can do far better pitching three times for the right clients than pitching ten times without a clear understanding of how the opportunity fits into your overall strategy. Can we win this? This is where you assess your capabilities in relation to the brief. If you truly don't have those capabilities, Tom advises you don't waste your time. Stretching your competencies too thin leads to disappointment and reputational harm. How can we win this? Do you really understand how the decisions are being made? Tom sees many agencies rush in thinking it's all about the ideas. Meanwhile, creativity is but a small part of the evaluation criteria. So what is the real criteria? Knowing this is how you'll make an actually informed decision. If you can say yes to these four questions, then go ahead and make your pitch. This selective approach will not only save agencies time but also allows them to focus their efforts on opportunities that align with their capabilities, culture, and vision. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What are you doing to win new agency business? Are you showcasing your best work? Do you have a formal pitch process that works well every time? Today's guest co-founded his agency after realizing he had contributed significantly to another agency's growth without any ownership. So he took the bold step of starting his own agency without knowing how to convince others to believe in his vision. Tune in to learn how he persevered despite facing constraints from his former employer, skepticism about his new venture, and the need for strategic pivots in client acquisition. Luke Cope is the co-founder of Bottled Imagination a Manchester-based digital PR agency focused on doing good work using unparalleled creativity to outshine the generic, churned-out, recycled ideas the industry has been saturated with. He shares insights into the rapid growth of his agency, discusses his desire for ownership after helping to grow an agency as an employee, and the way his team started to reframe pitches to great success. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why equity matters. Get people to rally around your vision. 3 ways to change your approach to winning new business. Should you reframe pitches or stop doing them altogether? Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Why Equity Matters: Turning Frustration into a Thriving Agency Working in SEO, Luke got to be part of an agency's rapid growth as it went from 15 employees to doing $7 million in revenue. Despite feeling that this success stemmed directly from his and his colleagues' efforts, they had no ownership stake in the company or any claim to the value they had helped create—they remained simply employees. Furthermore, Luke considered he could only sustain this level of commitment for someone else's benefit for about two years. Instead of looking for another agency to move on to, he and his now co-founders decided to create something of their own. At the time, this decision seemed like their only viable path forward. In retrospect, however, it represents a scenario where forward-thinking agency owners might have retained these valuable team members by offering equity—transforming key employees into shareholders with a genuine stake in the company's success. This way, they keep people who have helped grow the agency since the beginning and don't risk losing clients who would probably follow them to their new venture. Ultimately, Luke and his co-founders determined launching their own agency was the best option and were validated by getting their first lead the same day their departure was announced. This first client is what really helped set up their agency and helped them reaffirm that they made the best decision for their future. A Silent Agency Launch Saved by Referrals Even though they quickly gained some really good clients, the start of Luke's agency was marked by an unusual constraint. In accordance to the deal they had with their previous employer, they could begin operations but couldn't publicly launch their business for three months. It seemed risky to launch their agency amid this uncertainty as they could lose momentum in gaining new clients. How would they advertise their business? The answer came when a couple of referral clients set the agency to a great start, generating about $30,000 in monthly revenue that provided essential financial stability during this vulnerable beginning phase. Looking back, this period of uncertainty could have spoiled their efforts, but instead, it became a catalyst for creativity and resourcefulness. How to Get the Right People to Rally Around Your Vision According to Luke, one of the benefits of having several founders was that they could start servicing clients immediately. And although it wasn't easy getting workers to sign on to join a nameless agency, they made their first hire and engaged several contractors to handle specific tasks before their official launch. Nevertheless, six months into operations, Luke still found it was challenging to get talent to join a small, unproven business. This struggle is common among emerging agencies, and overcoming it requires developing a compelling vision and clear values that resonate with potential team members. Once you do find clarity, you go from desperately selling your agency and pleading with candidates to join your journey to carefully evaluating whether applicants truly align with your team's culture and direction. As a leader, when you demonstrate unwavering confidence in your instincts and articulate a clear vision for the future, you naturally inspire others to embrace your cause, further amplifying the potential for success. 3 Ways to Change Your Approach to Winning New Business After about six months, Luke and his team changed their approach to new business in three key ways: Innovative examples. Aware they needed examples of their content creation to attract new clients, they created a fake soccer player, paid influencers to say he was 10 to 1 to make the England World Cup squad in Qatar, and got 5,000 people to click on an offer to place a bet on him. Whoever clicked on that offer got taken to an awareness page with information about the importance of doing proper research before placing a bet. It was a testament to their ability to move people to follow a compelling story and take actions based on it. Reframing the pitch. They also worked on transforming their pitch process to build trust with potential clients. They introduced a more dynamic pitching process, starting with the simple yet effective idea of asking potential clients what they did not want to hear during a pitch. This tactic served a dual purpose: it allowed the agency to understand the client's preferences better and created an opportunity to surprise them with unexpected ideas. Anticipating questions. Luke's team also proactively addressed potential client concerns by anticipating the questions that might arise about their status as a relatively new agency. This strategy not only enhanced their win rate but also fostered deeper connections with clients, ultimately contributing to the agency's rapid growth. Should You Reframe Pitches or Do Away With Them? There are, of course, pitfalls to conventional pitching, as agencies frequently surrender their most valuable ideas without receiving compensation or commitment. As they mature, many agencies begin protecting their strategic insights while still delivering value to prospects. One effective approach is implementing a "foot-in-the-door" offer—charging for your expertise in developing strategic plans, thereby ensuring your creative contributions are appropriately valued. Most agencies initiate this transition toward paid discovery once they've established their reputation and can afford to be more selective about their clientele. In Luke's case, reframing their approach to pitches has similarly enabled his team to become increasingly selective with potential clients. Ultimately, whether through paid discovery work, selective pitching, or reframing the pitch process, these approaches all serve the same essential purpose: creating selectivity that preserves agency resources while fostering a more fulfilling and collaborative environment for everyone involved. This strategic selectivity not only protects an agency's most valuable asset—its ideas—but also establishes more balanced client relationships from the outset. Are you Willing to Bet on Yourself? When it comes to paths to agency ownership, Jason has heard it all. From people who were raised by entrepreneur parents and always knew that would be their path to, most likely, people who just started a project based on what they knew how to do and suddenly found themselves starting a business and managing a team. In Luke's case, he never thought he would start his own business and only got the drive to do so after realizing he had helped grow something he couldn't claim as his own. Ultimately, a great predictor of whether or not you'll thrive as an entrepreneur is how willing you are to bet on yourself. Do you believe in yourself and your ability to carry forward and always be able to adapt your business to new circumstances? If you do, you'll eventually figure out a clear vision and inspire people to bet on your dream and join you for the ride. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What significant challenges have you encountered while growing your agency? Do you have the right team that aligns with your vision and goals? Are you in a situation where you have dream clients that can pay what you're worth? Today's featured guest brings valuable perspective from five years of growth with his recent venture in SaaS and a previous social media agency venture. Having navigated the common hurdlesagency owners face, he shares the enduring lessons and effective solutions that have propelled his agency forward. Join us to gain practical insights into overcoming these universal agency challenges with proven strategies that deliver results. Jon Rivers is the co-founder and co-owner of Marketeery, a B2B agency that fills the gap for B2B mid-size high-tech companies in need of marketing content to meet their audience where they are in the customer journey. He shares his journey from starting as a developer to eventually finding his niche in the Microsoft ERP CRM space and discusses the challenges in this journey, including losing key clients, learning to delegate, and learning to say to the wrong clients. In this episode, we'll discuss: Understanding that agency growth is not linear. Escaping the agency owner hamster wheel. Assembling your agency dream team. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. The Winding Path from Developer to Agency Owner Although Jon initially trained as a developer, he quickly realized this wasn't his calling and transitioned to Help Desk operations and consulting roles. His career path later led him to join a company in the Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) space. As he learned and grew in this space, the company faced a new hurdle when a key product partner was acquired by Oracle, disrupting their established processes. This challenge ultimately became an opportunity, prompting Jon to develop integrations for the Microsoft ERP ecosystem. Through his subsequent roles at various companies, Jon began taking on marketing responsibilities fifteen years ago. During this period, he started exploring social media strategies and eventually established his first agency focused on this emerging field. It wasn't until much later, during the Covid pandemic, that Jon partnered with his current collaborator to launch an agency specifically targeting the ERP CRM space, with the explicit goal of business expansion. A Mindset Shift: When Clients Take Marketing In-House Throughout the years, Jon has gone through the various stages of growth that most agencies experience and he has come to know the cyclical nature of success and setbacks. He recalls the initial excitement of acquiring clients and generating revenue, which inevitably leads to a desire for scaling the business. However, this journey is rarely linear. There are periods of growth followed by slowdowns. An ebb and flow is a natural part of any entrepreneurial journey. One of Jon's first significant learning experiences came when a client who had developed a strong relationship with his agency suddenly decided to bring operations in-house. This common occurrence dramatically alters the client-agency dynamic. When a company hires a new marketing director, for instance, that person often brings existing relationships with other agencies and may show little interest in maintaining the current agency partnership. After experiencing this scenario multiple times, Jon has reframed his perspective in a more constructive way. He now views a client's decision to internalize services as evidence that his agency has successfully elevated their business to a point where they can sustain these functions internally. Rather than taking these transitions personally, Jon sees them as achievements worth celebrating—tangible proof that his agency has delivered substantial value and helped clients reach important growth milestones. Getting Off the ‘Agency Hamster Wheel' Thinking back to the setbacks in his agency journey, Jon can identify his business was not only too reliant on referrals, he also sees it took him too long to let go some parts of the business that could have been managed by others while he focused on growth. At the end of the day, an owner that works in the weeds five days a week is not doing enough to create new opportunities for growth. This is what Jason calls the ‘agency hamster wheel', where owners find themselves trapped in a relentless cycle of acquiring clients, delivering services, and then scrambling to market and sell again. The only way agency owners get out of this cycle is by clearly defining their roles as the CEO and start to delegate. For Jon, this meant understanding that he just could not be in the weeds. A CEO should focus on the vision, strategy, and growth, rather than day-to-day operations. This requires a shift in mindset, where agency leaders must learn to trust their teams and empower them to take on responsibilities. By stepping back, Jon was able to create space for innovation and strategic thinking, ultimately positioning his agency for long-term success. Assembling Your Agency Dream Team For leaders to cultivate and empower their teams, they need to set a clear vision and communicate it consistently. This vision should not be confined to annual retreats or periodic meetings; instead, it should be a living, breathing part of the agency's culture. Furthermore, leaders should actively seek to coach and mentor their team leaders; by doing this, they'll not only foster an environment where individuals can grow into their roles and take ownership of their responsibilities but also alleviate the burden on themselves. Jon also points out the need to accept that the people you started the agency with may not be with you for the entire run. This is not necessarily negative and a natural part of the agency's evolution. As his business found its niche, not every one of his content creators felt comfortable with the new direction. Jon now sees he held onto these individuals for too long and that the best approach was having an honest conversation. In his case, this led to both parties agreeing to part ways. Try to view team composition through the lens of building a "dream team." Just as the NBA assembled its legendary "Dream Team" for the Olympics, agency leaders should focus on assembling a group that aligns with the current vision and goals of the organization. By doing this, you won't have issues seeing when a hire just isn't the right fit. Saying No to Grow: Strategic Client Selection for Agency Success As Jon grows his agency, managing operational expenses has also emerged as a significant challenge. The accumulation of various tools and services required to maintain efficient operations can become financially burdensome. In these situations, agency owners should critically evaluate their pricing structure and consider whether increases are warranted. While conducting quarterly assessments of essential versus non-essential services is of course important, many agencies operate on dangerously thin margins. This issue can often be resolved by properly evaluating the value delivered to clients and adjusting prices accordingly. A common answer to this suggestion is “what if my clients don't want to pay that amount?” To which Jason counters, maybe they're not the right clients. Reassessing your client relationships is a necessary step in your agency's growth. You may lose half your clients once you announce the price raise, but you'll still be creating more space for clients willing to pay the right price for the value your agency brings. Furthermore, Jon has learned that it's not just about raising prices and watching the wrong client walk away. It's also about saying no to the wrong clients. Early in his career, Jon might have hesitated to walk away from unprofitable clients. However, as he gained experience, he recognized that letting go of clients who do not contribute positively to the business can create space for more aligned opportunities. Being selective about clients signals a more mature stage of business development. Rather than viewing client selectivity as a luxury afforded only to established agencies, Jon encourages owners to adopt this mindset early in their growth journey. In his assessment, implementing selective practices sooner rather than later will ultimately prove more beneficial for long-term business success. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you leveraging video to expand your audience reach and better communicate your services? Video remains the most effective medium for showcasing your brand and conveying authenticity, allowing potential clients to feel connected to you before purchasing your services. Today's featured guest began building his brand through video back in 2009 and has since accumulated millions of views. He shares strategies for developing your approach to video, current effective practices, and the transformative impact of AI on video production. While AI offers significant benefits—reducing both production costs and time investments—he acknowledges that fully AI-generated videos often lack the genuine authenticity that resonates with audiences. Where exactly is the balance between efficiency and authenticity? Join us to discover how to effectively harness video's power to enhance both your business performance and personal fulfillment. Carl Kwan is the owner of Kwan Multimedia, a video marketing agency with over a decade of experience. He shares his journey into the world of video, how a request from Korean Airlines sparked his passion for creating educational content online, and emphasizes the importance of video for businesses seeking to enhance their reach and profitability. In this episode, we'll discuss: Where to start your video strategy. Will AI ruin the results you get with personalized videos? How video helps validate your expertise. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Turning a Successful YouTube Channel into a Thriving Video Agency Carl launched his career creating YouTube videos in 2009 while working as an executive presentations coach in South Korea. When a client requested online coaching videos for their students, he recognized an opportunity to develop this content himself. What began as a solution for a single client evolved into a thriving YouTube channel boasting over 120,000 subscribers and 16 million views. Drawing on his unique combination of presentation expertise, MBA education, and broadcast TV and radio experience, Carl integrated these diverse skills into his video production work. During a time when internet communication remained predominantly text-based, he recognized video's powerful potential for businesses across all sectors, prompting him to establish a company focused on helping clients leverage video to transform their outreach strategies. Today, video has become integral to all major platforms—even professionally-oriented LinkedIn has recently begun prioritizing video content and actively encouraging users to incorporate it into their engagement strategies. 5 Videos You Need to Incorporate Into Your Video Strategy An Introduction Video: An “About me” short introduction video that outlines who you are, what your business does, and what sets you apart from competitors. This video serves as a personal touchpoint for potential clients, allowing them to connect with the brand on a human level and should be focused on your ideal client and the problems you can solve for them. FAQs: Make a “frequently asked questions” to ensure you answer your audiences pressing needs about the services and results you provide. Carl also recommends thinking about the questions clients should be asking and aren't. Client testimonials: If possible, Carl recommends using video for your case studies instead of asking people to write a Google review. It'll be great social proof for your services and a way to showcase satisfied customers who can speak to the quality of your products or services. Repurposed content: Start reusing your own text content in video form to get ball rolling and get the hang of this form of communication and storytelling. Personalized approach: According to Carl, a really successful video that's won him a lot of business is one he emails them after a meeting saying “It was great talking to you, X. I loved hearing about X. I look forward to talk to you again and discuss how I can help your business”. It is customized, it takes less than a minute to create, and clients love it because they can see it is personalized. If you want to get started adding video to you strategy start with these suggestions and you'll build a great foundation to build authority and thought leadership. Will AI Ruin the Effect of Personalized Videos? The proliferation of AI video creation tools presents a challenge for agencies that invest time in filming personalized client videos. As these AI applications become more widespread, clients may increasingly dismiss even genuine personalized messages as just another automated communication embedded in agency workflows. While Carl fully embraces AI as a transformative tool—recently using it to create a brand song rather than hiring a professional songwriter, thereby saving money, maintaining greater creative control, and accelerating production—he maintains a nuanced perspective on its limitations. Despite acknowledging that AI-generated content will inevitably become normalized, he firmly believes the human element remains irreplaceable for creating authentic content that truly resonates with audiences. In Carl's assessment, regardless of how sophisticated AI technology becomes, people will always discern genuine human involvement. Moreover, he contends that agency owners with genuine passion for their work won't willingly surrender their creative roles entirely to artificial intelligence. How AI Tools for Video Can Help You Expand Your Outreach to International Audiences AI technology has revolutionized the process for creating a podcast. You can now create a professional-sounding podcast by researching your topic, compiling relevant articles into a Google document, using ChatGPT to transform this material into a polished script, and finally employing podcast creation platforms to produce a natural-sounding show in your own voice. These same technological advancements enhance video content creation beyond just script development. AI tools can effectively correct pronunciation issues or script errors that traditional editing cannot fix. Perhaps most significantly, AI voice replication technology now enables creators to reach international audiences by reproducing their voice in multiple languages. These sophisticated programs can even adjust your modulation to create the impression that you're naturally speaking the target language. This technological breakthrough creates unprecedented opportunities for content creators to expand beyond local markets and connect with Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, and other language-speaking audiences worldwide, dramatically increasing potential reach and influence. Validating Your Expertise and Building Trust with Video Drawing from his experiences with agency partners, Carl strongly urges agency owners not to underestimate video's crucial role in brand development. He observed that clients often hesitated to work with his recommended partners after conducting quick online searches that revealed only basic website information. Today's clients seek more—they want to see and hear agency owners and team members personally discussing their services and the unique value they deliver. This reflects the modern decision-making process for professional services. Potential clients prioritize making authentic connections, and video serves as an exceptional medium for conveying your message while demonstrating genuine authenticity and relatability. That is why your agency needs a YouTube channel which is home to content that highlights your expertise. The true value lies not in accumulating subscribers or views, but in establishing a professional presence that validates your capabilities and knowledge. A thoughtful video presence serves as powerful evidence of your competence and approach, often becoming the deciding factor for prospective clients. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Does your digital agency a strong social media presence? Wondering which content types and platforms deliver the best results? Today's featured guest runs a social media agency that focuses on a carefully selected roster of clients. She began her career as a stay-at-home mom with exceptional social media instincts and built a thriving agency in just five years. She views social media as a necessary evil for brands and has successfully guided clients with strategically planned and curated content. Join us as she shares what's currently working in social media, her proven strategies, valuable advice for agency owners, and why she personally avoids social media in her spare time. Elizabeth Stone is owner of SociaSavvy, a boutique social media marketing agency who got into the business wanting a challenge and a creative outlet. Now with nearly five years of experience, she reflects on what she's learned about social media, what's working and what's not, and why client's shouldn't ask for a month's work of content in such a rapidly changing space. In this episode, we'll discuss: The power of resilience, determination, and adaptability. Making cross-platform content. Delegating tasks to avoid burnout. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. The Power of Determination, Resilience, and Adaptability Elizabeth never imagined pursuing marketing or business immediately after college. Instead, she fast-tracked her education and embraced life as a new mom. However, she soon found herself craving both a creative outlet and a way to contribute financially to her household. Fascinated by social media, she offered to help local businesses build their online presence across various platforms, initially working almost for free to develop her portfolio. Her remarkable results with these early clients enabled her to target her ideal market, and as demand grew beyond what she could handle alone, she began expanding her team. Throughout her five years running the agency, Elizabeth has discovered success in marketing requires less of a formal education and more determination, resilience in the face of rejection, and adaptability. Her experience has also given her a nuanced perspective on social media. She views it as a "necessary evil" for businesses that can significantly boost brands while recognizing its potentially addictive nature for individuals. The Rise of ‘Low-Quality' High-Quality Content With the ever-changing nature of social media platforms, most of the "social media hacks" we see are typically obsolete by the time you implement them. This is a reality that frustrates businesses hoping to plan ahead. Elizabeth often finds herself explaining to clients why preparing a month's worth of content isn't feasible; in such a fast-moving environment, content created today will likely be irrelevant within a few weeks. Regarding current effective strategies, Elizabeth confirms that video continues to dominate social platforms. She highlights the rise of "low quality content"—actually high-quality, meticulously planned material deliberately designed to appear candid and spontaneous. Elizabeth also advises businesses to release their attachment to "vanity numbers." Unlike a few years ago when engagement metrics were relatively consistent, today's social landscape is unpredictable—one post might completely flop while the next becomes an unexpected hit. This volatility makes traditional performance metrics less reliable indicators of overall social media success. Making Videos that Get Your Audience's Attention Regarding effective strategies, Elizabeth emphasizes that all social media videos should incorporate both voiceover and subtitles to capture different viewer preferences. Some users engage through audio elements while others browse with sound off, relying entirely on subtitles. She recommends using short clips to maintain momentum, acknowledging today's shortened attention spans and the need to sustain viewer interest. She also prefers videos are prepared and shot by her agency team rather than working with content recorded by the client. In her experience, clients often appear nervous on camera, but with proper coaching from her team, they can focus on their message rather than the recording process She also advocates for cross-platform posting to reach audiences with varying content preferences. While some users gravitate toward short, fast-paced content, others engage more deeply with longer YouTube videos. The optimal approach depends on understanding where your specific audience consumes content. Interestingly, she notes a current trend returning to longer-form content on both TikTok and Instagram. This constant evolution is precisely what Elizabeth loves about the social media landscape—its perpetual changes ensure the work never becomes monotonous. Delegating Tasks to Avoid Burnout As the agency owner, one of the things that Elizabeth sought to quickly delegate was keeping up with social media trends. It's important for the agency to be always up to speed with any new trends for their content creation. However, it was personally exhausting to be on these platforms scrolling every day. It was mentally taxing and took away from her time with her family. Her solution was creating a specialized role dedicated to tracking new trends, typically filled by younger team members. This position requirea regular rotation, as even the most enthusiastic employees eventually experience burnout from constant scrolling. Nevertheless, establishing this position proved to be the right decision—one she's grateful to have removed from her own responsibilities. For any growing agency, there comes a time when further expansion depends largely on your willingness to delegate and get out your team's way as they learn to own their roles. For Elizabeth, it was a surprisingly hard step to take but very much worth it and a key to staying creative as she delegated the tasks that most drained her. The Key to Success for any Digital Agency Elizabeth launched her business just before Covid-19 hit and successfully navigated the challenges of the pandemic, helping her clients connect with audiences through social media. This early experience taught her to expect ups and downs as a natural part of running a business—a mindset she encourages other agency owners to adopt. She firmly believes that, regardless of the political or economic climate, there's always an opportunity to pivot and adapt. For her, success is within reach for every agency owner who embraces this resilient and flexible mindset. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Does your emotional attachment to your agency makes it difficult to make growth decisions? When you remove emotion from the mix and make decisions objectively, your realize more growth. After 21 years of running his business, today's guest realized he needed emotional distance and accomplished this by creating an alter ego who could assess the agency from an impartial point of view. This experiment proved remarkably successful. He's come to realize his true role in the agency and that much of it means working for his team, rather than the other way around. George Arabian is the CEO and founder of NVISION, a full-service digital marketing agency based in Toronto, Canada. He shares his journey into the world of digital marketing, how he managed to stop making decisions based on emotion, and how his transition to agency CEO has meant a bigger focus on how to help his team be the best they can be. In this episode, we'll discuss: Experimenting with innovation to stay ahead. Niching down does not mean limiting your agency. Becoming a true leader by working for your team. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Experimenting with Innovation to Stay Ahead George's passion for technology began at a young age when he started building computers. At just seventeen, he received what he humorously recalls as a request to "build an internet"—actually a website—for a local hockey shop owner. He quickly Immersed himself in learning html and put 500 hours into that first web project that paid him $400. One job led to another, eventually George started his own agency and has been running it since 2004. The digital landscape has transformed dramatically since George built his first website. Today, AI has helped make website creation faster than even before. However, what has remained constant throughout his journey has been his spirit of experimentation. For him, being in the digital marketing space is like being a "mad scientist." So he encourages his team to test new ideas and approaches in order to uncover novel solutions that set them apart from competitors. This experimental philosophy naturally led George's agency to expand beyond websites to integrate various marketing strategies—including SEO, advertising, and content marketing—into their service offerings. Why Niching Down Doesn't Mean Limiting Your Agency As he starts trying new services to expand his offering, George has found it very hard to narrow down that offer. On one hand, he feels genuinely and equally curious about SEO, CRM, email marketing, etc. On the other, he fears niching down will inevitably lead to boredom. Rather than forcing himself into a traditional service-based niche, George developed an innovative solution. He decided to center his agency around a conceptual focus: "creating human connection." This strategic pivot allows his team to maintain a clear, unifying purpose while still accommodating diverse projects and creative challenges that keep their work engaging. This approach is proof that niching down doesn't have to mean limiting yourself. It can enhance an agency's ability to experiment effectively. With a clear focus, an agency can explore an array of strategies and tactics within their niche, fostering a culture of innovation without sacrificing excitement or variety. The result is a business that remains creatively stimulating while still offering clients a clear understanding of the agency's unique value. How Emotional Distance Helps Make the Shift to Agency CEO As agencies grow, the challenges become more complex. Owners soon need to make a shift in focus from day-to-day operations to strategic leadership. Making the transition to Agency CEO was quite challenging for George, as he tried to detach himself from operations after twenty-one years of running the agency. It's a pretty common challenge for agency owners. For George, this deep emotional connection to the agency often led to rushed decisions as he stressed over the well-being of his team members. To create the necessary emotional distance, George developed a second more objective persona. One day, he arrived at work embodying this detached perspective, pretending it was his first day at an unfamiliar agency. Through this lens, he observed operations critically, documented his findings, and identified previously overlooked gaps and inefficiencies. With this approach, he was able to re-conceptualize the agency as an independent entity that required optimal functionality rather than as an extension of himself. The results soon started to show as he built an entity where the team no longer turned to him for every decision. Although he admits not being needed was harder than he'd anticipated, he recognizes that this step not only enhanced operational efficiency but also fosters a culture of trust and collaboration. Why Being a True Leader Means Working For Your Team Beyond emotional detachment, transitioning to the agency CEO role requires embracing delegation as a fundamental component of both operational efficiency and team empowerment. This shift fundamentally inverts the traditional hierarchy—you'll find yourself working for your team rather than the other way around. Your primary focus becomes supporting their growth and development, removing obstacles, and creating pathways for their success. The sooner you implement this mindset shift, the sooner you'll cultivate leaders within your agency who can shoulder responsibilities that once fell solely on you. This allows you to step back and concentrate on strategic agency growth. This evolution doesn't happen overnight but develops gradually as you enhance your leadership capabilities through continuous learning, reading, and engaging with a community of like-minded agency owners. The more you participate in this process, the more you'll develop your ability to articulate and communicate effectively. How to Clearly Define Your Role in the Agency George clarified his role as agency CEO through a classic mastermind exercise—listing both his most and least enjoyable tasks to identify what he should delegate. This straightforward but powerful assessment helps reveal an owner's true passions. In his, case, it was mentoring team members, creating content, and supporting the team in landing major clients. Clearly defining these roles helped George focus on moving the agency forward and provided the necessary boundaries recognize when to intervene and when responsibilities belonged to others. While George acknowledges he's still not quite where he'd like to be, that clarity has brought him more freedom. He also embraces the fact that this doesn't mean all his problems are solved now. However, the perpetual problem-solving cycle isn't a flaw but rather the essence of agency work—an environment where strong problem solvers naturally thrive and find fulfillment. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training It's always easier to retain existing clients than constantly landing new ones. Do you want to know the secret one agency has that has helped them hold onto clients for over 20 years? This interview highlights an agency owner's whose client retention philosophy involves a candid, honest, and sincere approach which has helped them retain some clients for over two decades. In this conversation, we explore his struggle to balance entrepreneurial business development with satisfying his creative instincts. He reveals how he eventually established systems that removed him from being the bottleneck in agency operations while allowing him to choose his involvement in the processes. He also shares the clarity he found that inspired a subscription-based product offering that maintains healthy cashflow. Join us for this insightful conversation about agency growth, creating freedom through systems, maintaining long-term client relationships, and navigating the evolving challenges of the entrepreneurial journey. Pinaki Kathiari is the CEO of Local Wisdom, a digital communications agency, and co-founder of Resource Hero, a resource planning and time tracking application for professional services companies. Pinaki also hosts his own podcast his podcast "Why Does It Feel So Wrong to be Human at Work?". He shares his journey as an entrepreneur, reflecting on nearly 25 years of running his agency, and highlights his volunteer work. In this episode, we'll discuss: Embracing subscription-based growth. Honesty as the key to building long-term client relationships. How to stop being the bottleneck in agency operations. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio today and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Turning a Market Gap into a Thriving Agency Pinaki's agency journey began when he and his college partners, all computer science graduates from Rutgers, found themselves jobless after the tech bubble burst in the late 90s. Recognizing the potential of the growing internet landscape, they decided to collaborate and create their own path. They identified a crucial market gap: companies excelled either at design or technology, but rarely both. This was the niche they decided to occupy. Later on, realizing most of their clients were communicators, they further niched down to serving communications teams. Their initial approach was humble, often trading services for goods rather than charging traditional fees. They worked with small startups that struggled with funding. This experience taught Pinaki and his team valuable lessons about the realities of client relationships, pricing, and the importance of setting boundaries. Through collaboration, they were able to refine their approach, ultimately leading to more significant projects and clients. This shift from small, struggling startups to larger enterprises marked a turning point in their journey. Eventually, as they gained experience and began to understand the needs of larger enterprises. They found the confidence to Increase their pricing structure, with their first big project being a $40,000 deal. At the time, that kind of money seemed wild to them! Embracing a Subscription-Product Offering to Maintain Cashflow Even after increasing their prices, Pinaki admits it took him too long to get out of day-to-day operations. After navigating an industry still in its infancy and growing his agency by doing a bit of everything, he had learned to enjoy daily operations and thrived in that work. However, hiring the right team members eventually helped him and his partners recognize they should redirect their focus toward strategic growth, with effective delegation as the key enabler. Shifting focus from operations to growth helped them realize the potential to grow existing accounts by offering subscription-based services. Clients often struggled to maintain their websites post-launch, resulting in deteriorating quality over time. Recognizing this gap, they introduced "website curation" services designed to preserve and enhance site quality as content evolved. The subscription model really helped maintain cashflow, providing steady revenue that stabilize the agency when project work fluctuated. It also helped them create stronger client relationships by setting up a new situation where they would do a lot of work for just one client instead of a lot projects for different clients that never grew beyond that. Uncomfortable Honesty is the Key to Long-Term Client Relationships While his agency team always knew the right questions to ask clients, Pinaki admits they initially fell into the "order taker" category. Today, however, 70% of their revenue comes from recurring business—a testament to their deliberate focus on building long-lasting relationships, with their longest-standing client partnership spanning approximately 20 years. For Pinaki, honesty serves as the cornerstone of these enduring client relationships. This means respectfully declining projects beyond their capabilities or tactfully pushing back on ideas they believe won't succeed, all while treating clients with genuine empathy. This approach of delivering difficult messages compassionately transforms potential setbacks into growth opportunities. When clients know they can depend on their service provider for truthfulness—even when uncomfortable—it fosters a deeper, more resilient trust over time. As he points out, there should always be a focus on moving forward when challenges arise rather than placing blame, which really helps them in being seen as trusted advisors. How to Stop Being the Bottleneck in Agency Operations Most agency owners begin their journey as creators or industry enthusiasts with specialized skills—like building websites—who eventually find themselves navigating the business side once clients start paying for their services. This transition to business ownership requires three critical steps: 1. connecting with like-minded peers, 2. gaining clarity about your agency's direction, and 3. developing the confidence to pursue that vision with conviction. Building a sustainable future typically involves creating robust systems and making strategic hires that gradually remove you as the owner from every operational decision. Eventually, this evolution results in a business that functions independently. If you're concerned about becoming a bottleneck, implement regular feedback sessions with your team. Ask them what they wish you would stop doing, continue doing, and do more of—providing invaluable insights into areas where you might be unintentionally constraining growth. While systematizing your business is crucial, this doesn't mean abandoning the aspects of agency work you genuinely enjoy. Whether it's joining client closing calls or facilitating design meetings, you can still participate in these fulfilling activities. The key distinction is creating systems that give you the choice to participate rather than requiring your involvement. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What is the best way to speak to your target audience? How can you make a compelling case to work with your agency? With proper storytelling techniques, you will reach your prospects and clients in a way the resonates with them. Every successful agency owner needs a persuasive "Who am I" narrative, along with educational and vision stories that speaks directly to potential clients. However, the task can feel overwhelming, leaving many owners unsure where to begin. Today's featured guest specializes in transforming scattered narratives into strategic stories that create meaningful connections. She'll reveal the essential types of stories every agency owner should develop to attract clients, while emphasizing the power of simplicity—demonstrating why less truly is more when it comes to impactful storytelling. Tune in to learn the art of strategic storytelling that positions your agency as the obvious choice in a crowded marketplace. Margot Black is a publicity expert and founder of Black Ink PR, an agency that takes clients' stories and turn them into winning strategies that produce strong results and elevate their business from established to extraordinary. She's also the author of Life's a Pitch, a masterclass in business, branding, public relations, and marketing that will teach you how to get what you want in business and life. Margot shares her focus on the importance of storytelling in connecting with audiences, highlighting strategies for agency owners to effectively communicate their narratives, focusing on a number of stories that every owner should share with their audience and tools that will help you identify common denominators with your audience and understanding their problems. In this episode, we'll discuss: Connecting with prospects by sharing compelling stories. The importance of mapping out your process. 2 essential stories every agency owner should tell. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Connecting with Prospects by Sharing Compelling Stories Many agency owners struggle to craft a compelling narrative about their business. According to Margot, the first thing you need to do is connect to your audience by finding a common denominator. One of the most powerful things you can do to achieve this is demonstrate your understanding of their challenges by creating stories that say “I know what your problems are. I understand.” These stories are always powerful because your audience feels seen. Unfortunately, many entrepreneurs miss this opportunity by focusing too heavily on self-promotion ("let me tell you all about me"), neglecting the crucial element of empathy. When you demonstrate that you both understand and can solve your audience's problems, you've already won a significant part of the battle for their attention and trust. Instead, Margot suggests framing your message around "how to" questions. For instance, "How to tell a better story so people will listen" or "How to find five people that need what you have." This approach not only positions the storyteller as an expert but also provides immediate value to the audience. Pro Tip: Keep it Simple. With limited time and attention spans, your audience needs content that's easy to grasp and implement. Rather than overwhelming them with extensive offerings like a 123-lesson course, focus on digestible concepts: "I'll show you the four quadrants you need to dominate to attract more customers." You may think that the more you offer the better, but people have very limited time and attention to give in this ADHD era so make it easy for them to grasp the core concepts to enhance retention. The Importance of Mapping Out Your Process "How we do it" stories represent a powerful yet underutilized tool in agency communications. These narratives function as client roadmaps, clearly illustrating the processes and methodologies behind the agency's success. By transparently sharing these operational details, agencies demystify their work and provide potential clients with clear expectations. This structured approach significantly increases client confidence when deciding to partner with an agency. Without process-focused stories, clients lack visibility into your working methods and can't anticipate how much involvement will be required from them. Margot specifically advises against giving clients "homework" as this creates additional burdens that often go uncompleted which leads to frustration and disengagement. Instead, effective "how we do it" stories should clearly show the finish line—allowing clients to envision the end result before the partnership even begins. Equally important is incorporating a "what's changing and where we're headed" element into your narrative framework. In today's rapidly evolving business landscape, clients seek reassurance that their agency partners understand how emerging changes affect their specific challenges. They want partners who not only recognize these shifts but also have developed clear strategies to navigate them successfully. When in Doubt, Educate Your Clients If you're at all confused about where to start, stories that teach provide an excellent starting point. These narratives offer significant benefits by sharing valuable knowledge and insights that empower clients to better understand and address their challenges. This educational approach accomplishes two critical objectives simultaneously: it establishes your expertise in your field while keeping the client firmly positioned as the central character of the narrative. The most effective stories always maintain this client-centric focus. Their journey, challenges, and ultimate success should drive the narrative forward. For instance, a leader might share a story about how they overcame a common challenge faced by their clients. By detailing the steps taken and the lessons learned, they not only provide valuable information but also illustrate their understanding of the client's journey. 2 Essential Stories Every Agency Leader Must Tell Who I Am — Every leader should develop a compelling “Who I Am” story. The best advice Margot has to improve it is to know where to start. People tend to start too early and tell you about where they went to college or even their childhood – details that rarely resonate with potential clients. Instead, focus your personal narrative on establishing relevant expertise that directly addresses client needs. Even though the Who I Am story is about you, it's still for your audience and should attract them. Vision Story — Equally important is crafting a powerful "vision" story that articulates an inspiring future direction. These narratives provide clients with a clear roadmap to success—such as the eight pillars of agency ownership—and create a compelling framework for your relationship. A great historical example of an exceptional vision story is Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech. This is one of the most powerful visions in American history that illustrates how powerful vision stories can mobilize and inspire action. Leaders who can paint a vivid picture of the future not only engage their clients but also empower them to envision their own success. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you focusing your energy on growing existing client relationships or acquiring new ones? Building strong client relationships requires a commitment to proactive communication from the very beginning, as today's featured guest clearly demonstrates. Our guest runs a brand agency that prioritizes nurturing and growing client relationships through three key strategies: establishing clear expectations, maintaining proactive communication, and implementing careful qualifying processes to ensure they partner only with the right culture fits. This intentional approach has made her agency irreplaceable to clients. Discover the specific strategies and insights that have contributed to her success in building lasting, valuable client partnerships that stand the test of time. Charlene Coughlin is president and partner at Twist Creative, a thriving brand agency founded by a husband and wife duo who combined their talents in writing and design to create a unique agency focused on brand growth. She discusses how to excel at scaling client accounts by nurturing existing relationships and creating strong partnerships, why she stopped participating in RFPs, and more. In this episode, we'll discuss: Nurturing relationships vs. landing clients. The art of proactive client communication. RFPs don't equal quality clients. Building trust through consistent communication. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix Studio, the all-in-one platform designed to help agencies scale without the headaches. With intuitive tools, robust native business solutions, and low maintenance, Wix Studio lets your team focus on what matters most—delivering exceptional value to your clients. Ready to take your agency to the next level? Visit wix.com/studio and discover how Wix Studio can transform your workflow, boost profits, and strengthen client relationships. Nurturing Relationships vs. Just Landing Clients Many agencies get caught in the endless task of getting more and more accounts and don't spend nearly as much time on growing those accounts. For Charlene, the business has always been about relationships. She feels it's useless to have amazing creative if it won't get used because relationships go sour. First and foremost, she recommends aiming to understand the client, their motivations, and goals to build a relationship based on really listening to them. By actively listening to clients and demonstrating authentic interest in their success, agencies can transform the traditional vendor-client dynamic into a true partnership built on trust and mutual understanding. This shift fundamentally changes how clients perceive the agency's role. When this transformation occurs, agencies become irreplaceable strategic partners rather than interchangeable service providers. The relationship evolves from clients dictating specific deliverables to collaborative planning sessions where both parties work together on annual goals and budget development. This partnership approach not only secures long-term client retention but also creates opportunities for account growth that far exceed what's possible through constant new business acquisition. The Art of Proactive Client Communication Building strong client partnerships that grow over time requires intentionality from the very beginning of the relationship. Charlene's team implements this philosophy through a proactive approach to client communication that starts during the onboarding process. Rather than reactively waiting for clients to reach out with needs or concerns, they systematically initiate engagement, establishing a foundation of trust and collaboration that benefits both parties. This proactive communication extends even to prospective clients who are still evaluating whether to work with the agency. Through consistent follow-up and responsive answering of questions, potential clients develop clear expectations about the working relationship before making their decision. By the time they commit, the groundwork for effective collaboration has already been established. Setting clear expectations from the outset is crucial to this approach. Charlene's team conducts candid conversations to understand what clients value in agency partnerships and what previous experiences have frustrated them. This transparency acknowledges that challenges will inevitably arise while emphasizing their commitment to navigating difficulties together. Ultimately, ensuring that potential clients align with the agency's core principles will help you cultivate a more harmonious working relationship. This selectivity not only reduces friction but also enhances the overall experience for both the agency and the client, leading to more productive collaborations. Protecting Your Agency's Culture by Prioritizing Healthy Client Relationships Establishing client alignment from early on also helps agencies avoid the difficult relationships that arise with clients that are just a bad fit. These are the type of clients that will expect a response at any hour of the day and treat your team poorly. The stress and dissatisfaction that arise from such relationships overshadows the potential for creative opportunities, ultimately resulting in a toxic work environment. For Charlene, these projects are just not worth it and usually require more time and effort than originally estimated. There was a time when her agency was willing to compromise its standards due to financial pressures. However, this mindset only leads to a cycle of negativity, where the agency finds itself mired in challenging relationships that drain energy and resources. By being willing to say "no" to clients who do not respect their team, agencies protect their culture and morale, allowing them to focus on meaningful partnerships that foster growth. Why RFPs Don't Always Equal Quality Clients Like many agencies, Charlene's team used to spend hundreds of hours on Requests For Proposals, putting a lot of effort into its content and correct format only to never hear back from these companies. Additionally, the RFP process can inadvertently encourage agencies to engage in practices that undermine the value of their work, like the pressure to provide free spec work to stand out among competitors. This happened to Charlene and her team in 2018 with a project they really wanted to win. However, they only agreed to participate in this RFP after negotiating payment for their spec work. This way they not only got compensated for their time but also demonstrated the value they placed on their creative output. Still, Charlene found that with RFPs the final decision tended to be based on budget more than what each agency offered, which made those clients the wrong fit for her agency. Therefore, they stopped spending time on RFPs altogether as she found this would actually save the agency time and money they could spend in finding actual qualified clients. How Charging for Strategy Pays Off in the Long Run Agencies that sell a Foot-in-the-Door project rather than pitching a big project gain more in the long run. A FIYD is an alternative where agencies propose smaller projects or consultations that allow them to demonstrate their expertise while fostering a collaborative environment. This strategy not only positions the agency as a trusted advisor but also creates a sense of ownership for the client, enhancing their investment in the relationship. It also provides more opportunities for conversations where the agency can find out more about the clients' issues and what they really need. Creating a foot-in-the-door offer requires a shift to start charging for insights and strategy many are giving away for free. Clients may struggle with the transition from receiving complimentary advice to paying for it. However, this shift is crucial for establishing the agency as a valued partner rather than just a service provider. When clients begin to pay for strategic insights, they are more likely to engage deeply with the process, leading to better outcomes and a stronger relationship. Building Trust Through Consistent Communication In client relationships, anxiety typically arises when communication is lacking. This is why Charlene focuses on building strong connections that extend beyond merely addressing problems to fostering open dialogue. When clients feel comfortable reaching out, it reflects the solid foundation of trust and understanding she has established. Charlene's agency implements a proactive communication strategy, sending regular status updates even when there is little to report. This consistent attentiveness reassures clients that they are valued and their needs are being addressed, creating a true sense of partnership. The results of this approach are evident in client behavior. Not only do clients readily discuss business issues with Charlene, but they also seek her expertise on other matters. This pattern demonstrates how thoughtful communication cultivates relationships where clients feel supported, understood, and confident in the partnership. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Would you consider a merger or acquisition as a growth strategy? What does it look like to acquire another agency? How can you ensure success for the buyer, seller, and existing clients? Today's featured guest demonstrates how this approach can be highly effective when executed thoughtfully. He started his agency after realizing he would never get the recognition he deserved while working for somebody else, which drove him to establish his own agency where he now thrives. Recently, he expanded through the strategic acquisition of three agencies, focusing primarily on their client portfolios. His acquisition strategy emphasizes the importance of relationship continuity, specifically seeking arrangements where previous owners remain involved during the transition period, allowing his team to gradually build trust with the inherited client base. Learn from his valuable insights on entrepreneurship and the strategic use of acquisitions for agency growth. Luke Szkudlarek is a founding partner of What., a Zurich-based consultancy and growth hacking group focused on helping SMEs and startups with growth, digitalization, and product development. He'll share the pivotal moment that sparked his decision to pursue entrepreneurship after an encounter with his boss, highlighting the importance of ownership and recognition in the workplace. In this episode, we'll discuss: Spotting trends that lead to agency success. The mind shift needed to break the glass ceiling on growth. Using agency acquisition as a growth strategy. Ensuring a smooth merger and acquisition for agency clients. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. How a Dismissive Boss Sparked an Agency Journey Luke's entrepreneurial journey began in Zurich with what seemed like a straightforward 'easy' role helping an agency acquire new clients. As he sharpened his skills he soon started working with giants like Nestle and Victoria Knox. After closing a few lucrative deals, Luke approached his employer about receiving company shares as compensation for his valuable contributions. His boss's dismissive response—offering a spa treatment instead of equity—became a key moment in his career. Rather than viewing this as a setback, he recognized it as a sign that it was time to venture out on his own. Confident in his ability to attract and maintain relationships with major clients, he started to plan his next move with a colleague. Six months later they were ready to start building their own business. Spotting Trends as the Secret to Early Success While many startup agencies start out relying on referrals, Luke attributes his success to an ability to identify and capitalize on emerging market trends. Firstly, he benefitted from starting out in a market where growth hacking was still relatively unknown, allowing his firm to establish itself as a pioneer in its niche. Rather than simply focusing on website visibility, they differentiated themselves by creating valuable digital assets for their clients. Luke was also quick to spot the benefits of having a hybrid team, which gave him access to talent from all over the world. It also allowed him to undercut the competition with lower prices, and he had a hybrid structure already set when the pandemic hit. Furthermore, while many agencies still thought that working with startups was a waste of money, Luke focused only on these businesses. Bigger agencies had no interest in working with a $50,000-$60,000 budget, but it was just what his agency needed to start building their brand. This led to many obscure projects, but as one of few agencies working with startups it was pretty easy to jump from an initial project to a much larger one and opportunities to build relationships with investors. Outsourcing Tasks as a Strategic Growth Plan One of the critical decisions that significantly influenced his agency's growth was delegating administrative tasks. Neither Luke nor his partner are very fond of admin work and didn't want any part of the invoicing. However the invoicing process is a fundamental one in an agency and a focus when it came to a basis for success. They recognized their strengths lay in selling and project delivery, not in repetitive administrative work so that was the first choice when it came to start hiring to delegate. This approach is about more than offloading work, it is a strategic decision with significant advantages. By outsourcing administrative tasks, it frees up valuable time and resources, enabling founders and key team members to focus on strategic planning, client engagement, and product development. The Mind Shift to Break the Glass Ceiling to Real Growth Many founders find themselves trapped after hitting a glass ceiling, unsure of how to break through to the next level. You need a fundamental mindset shift before you can get past this stage. This mindset shift requires you understand that growth is not solely about increasing revenue or expanding service offerings. Instead, it requires a clear vision and the ability to communicate that vision effectively to the entire team. Founders must ask themselves not just where they want to go, but how to empower their teams to make decisions that align with that vision. Moreover, it's about hiring strategically to build a team that can take the agency further than you can done by yourself, while also working on improving yourself to set the vision and be the face of the agency. Luke has recently started working with coaches to get inspiration and it has made a big different in his goal of getting to the next level. Acquisition as an Agency Growth Strategy By now, Luke's agency has acquired three other agencies and continues to learn about these transactions. All three processes were different, with the first one being a merger with an agency that initially came in as a strategic partner and the last two being more asset purchases focused on their client portfolios. According to Luke, it's quite difficult to convince Swiss clients to leave their agency, even if you present an opportunity to save them a lot of money because personal relationships often hold more sway than the merits of a compelling pitch or a well-crafted campaign. Consequently, it's easier in his view to acquire the portfolios to start a relationship with those companies. This approach not only facilitates expansion but also enhances the value proposition offered to clients, ultimately driving profitability and market presence. How to Ensure a Smooth M&A Transition for Agency Clients In agency acquisitions, understanding the seller's post-sale intentions is crucial for establishing a successful transition. Try to get a clear response of what they're hoping to get from the sale. Do they want to completely separate themselves from the agency and do something else? Do they prefer staying and focus on sales and growth? Or maybe focus on profitability and growth? There are scenarios where each of those options could work but there needs to be a clear understanding from the beginning for it to work for both parties. Luke's approach to acquisitions specifically acknowledges the relationship-based nature of agency businesses. He personally prefers for the founders to stay for a while as he works to earn clients' trust. If a seller walks away immediately, the client list becomes worthless since their relationship is with the previous owner. Until the trust is built, it's best to keep sellers on board. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you prepared to sell your agency if the right opportunity presents itself? Making your business sale-ready requires more than just financial preparation—it demands emotional readiness and the ability to set ego aside. With pleasure, we are featuring a long time mastermind member on the show who, after recently selling his agency, now describes himself as a “recovering agency owner”. It was an unexpected opportunity that turned into an amazing deal for the seller and buyer. Jordan discusses the way he took control of his agency's future by pursuing the sale, what he'd change about the process, and the importance of having a plan for post-sale integration. Our guest is Jordan Choo, a recovering agency owner who previously founded, built, and sold Kogneta, a digital marketing firm focused on helping local businesses grow effectively. He is a longtime friend of the podcast who was mastermind member for sixy years before selling his agency. He is here to talk about the acquisition process, which began through an introduction from another agency owner rather than a typical unsolicited acquisition offer. In this episode, we'll discuss: Turning a potential partnership into an acquisition If you want to sell, leave emotions and ego at the door. Overcoming 2 common agency owner struggles.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources FREE Training: Feeling stuck in your agency? You're not alone. Running an agency can be isolating, overwhelming, and downright exhausting. But it doesn't have to be. At Agency Mastery, we've been there—which is why we now offer free training resources to transform your agency from a liability to an asset.. Check out our FREE RESOURCES on Lead Generation and Sales Systems. No strings attached. Just the tools you need to grow smarter, not harder. Get started today at agencymastery360.com/training. Don't let your agency hold you back. Let's build the future you deserve. Turning a Potential Partnership into an Agency Acquisition If you run an agency, and especially if you've grown beyond a certain point, you should be really clear about your why and what you have in mind for the future. There's a chance you started as a lifestyle business. In that case, there isn't much to worry about beyond maintaining profitability. However, if you started it with the intention to grow that business to eventually sell, then that will dictate how to grow your agency. At some point, most agency owners have gotten the typical pitch email expressing interest in buying their business. In Jordan's case, it all started with an introduction from another agency owner. The contact wasn't specifically looking to purchase his agency, but for a white label partner to provide marketing services in order to expand their value to clients. After a few conversations with this agency, Jordan realized it would make more sense for them to acquire his agency rather than getting into a longtime partnership. It was a pretty good fit in terms of their cultures and how their agencies were structured. Hence, he was encouraged to bring the matter up and ask them their thoughts about a potential merge. What started as Jordan's curiosity about the buyer's serious intentions evolved into meaningful discussions about merging the businesses. The organic nature of these conversations led to a deal that benefited both parties, with the entire process—from initial talks to signing a formal letter of intent—taking approximately five months. Selling Your Agency? Leave Ego and Emotions at the Door Understanding that ego can be a deal-breaker in business transactions, Jordan approached his agency's sale by being pragmatic and emotionally detached. He established a realistic valuation range and minimum acceptable offer before negotiations began. Fortunately, his expectations aligned well with the buyer's assessment, which streamlined the negotiation process. In the best case scenario, both parties are adequately educated on how the business should be fairly valued. But for that to happen, you need to separate the part of your identity that is closely linked to the business and have a clear path for what comes next after the sale. What are you looking for to doing post sale? Do you have plans to start a new business or follow a new interest? If you can't answer these questions, maybe it's not your time to sell. In his case, Jordan wants to rest, take some time off, and then go back to focusing his time and energy on growing a brand, instead of focusing on several brands at the same time, like he used to do with his agency. Overcoming 2 Common Agency Owner Struggles Reflecting on his agency journey, Jordan identified two critical challenges that influenced his business's growth trajectory: team building and role transition. In the early stages, he struggled with making effective hiring decisions and came to realize that the team you choose defines how quickly or slowly you grow. He also understands building the right team requires absolute clarity about the business's objectives. Without a clear vision, you cannot guide your team in the right direction and build the right foundation so they can make decisions without you. By investing time in the hiring process and ensuring alignment with the agency's values and goals, owners can cultivate a team that is competent and motivated to drive growth. As the agency expanded, Jordan faced another common challenge: the difficult transition from working IN the business to working ON it. While he was naturally drawn to sales activities, his role as owner demanded focus on strategic initiatives like business growth planning, marketing strategy, leadership development, and creating standard operating procedures (SOPs) for effective delegation. This all goes back to delegation, a common struggle often stemming from a fear of losing control. Delegation, in this sense, should be not just about offloading work but about strategically positioning the right people in the right roles to achieve collective success. Why You Shouldn't Skip the Integration Plan Jordan has no regrets about how the acquisition went down. In fact, he wouldn't change anything about the negotiation process. However, he does wish he would've spent more time structuring an integration plan. To him, the first 90 days post sale should be laid out and planned for to ensure a smooth transition. For agency owners considering a sale, Jordan recommends thoroughly understanding the buyer's motivations and intended use of the acquired agency. This understanding is crucial because it directly impacts the post-sale relationship. He advises against committing to lengthy employment agreements if the acquiring company doesn't have a clear need for the owner's continued involvement. In his case, Jordan treated the purchase agreement and the employment agreement as two separate entities and two separate negotiations, which proved to be the best course of action. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Could an internal succession be the right choice for your eventual agency exit? What could that sort of deal structure look like in order to ensure you're leaving the agency in the best hands possible? As one agency owner transitioned to out of the agency day-to-day, an unexpected result was an organic exit from the business with an employee buyout. A shining-star employee with the potential to be a great owner was the buyer in mind. Now the challenge was helping him get to a place where he could make the purchase. Listen to the inspiring story of adaptability and structuring the right deal to sell your agency to the right person. Eric Holter is the CEO of Cuberis, a specialized web development firm focused on the museum industry. He shares his journey from studying traditional illustration to working in web development and launching his first web company, the reasons he decided to sell and follow other dreams, and how he ended up owning another agency years later. Eric is also the author of Blazing the Freelance Trail, a roadmap for creatives just getting started that will walk them through five main principles: money, minutes, management, marketing, and motivation and explains their role in creating and running a business. In this episode, we'll discuss: Client diversification for agency survival. Building a bridge from employee to ownership. The five roles of a CEO. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Going from Freelancer to Agency Owner, Twice! Eric first entered the advertising world as an illustrator using the traditional methods. He was looking for something new after freelancing for a while and knew his skills in letterpress printing and wood engraving wouldn't pay the bills. However, in 1995 he was quick to adapt to the new era brought by the internet and started his first business. Back then, all his clients were just scrambling to get a website for their businesses. Finding clients was as easy as sending them an email offering his services. This agency grew quickly to 12 employees and then was hit by two major events throughout the years: the dotcom bubble burst and 9/11, prompting a dramatic downsizing. Though the agency gradually recovered, Eric ultimately decided to sell in 2013 looking for a fresh start doing some consulting work. He wanted to help business owners learn how to run their business. One of his clients was Cuberis, whose (then) owner needed guidance in managing the business. What began as a consulting relationship evolved into an unexpected opportunity and Eric eventually purchased the agency. With this, round two of agency ownership began. Learning to Diversify Clients as the Key to Agency Survival That first blow during the dotcom bubble burst helped Eric see the initial model of direct client engagement was no longer viable. Whereas before the referrals just poured in as everyone tried to beat the competition to get a brand new website, he now needs to forge strategic alliances allowing him to continue generating business. He also needed to rethink his focus, so far marked by working primarily with small, brick-and-mortar clients. Instead, the experience gained during several difficult times and subsequent economic downturns taught him that a diverse client base can serve as a buffer against market volatility. An Unexpected Exit: What Decisions Led to Selling the Agency? Eric's decision to sell his agency emerged organically from a series of strategic decisions that began in 2000 when he hired an consultant to enhance his business management skills. In hindsight, investing in professional guidance was the beginning of a journey he hadn't anticipated. Following the consultant's advice, Eric started transitioning from an active role in his agency to developing a resilient organizational structure and empowering employees to operate independently. Initially, this move didn't have an exit strategy in mind—just sound business practices aimed at improving the agency's efficiency. However, by 2008 he felt there wasn't much for him to do at the agency, which made him restless. While he contemplated changing up things in the agency to satisfy his entrepreneurial drive, he knew it would just divert from the things that were already working. Ultimately, it became clear that instead of introducing changes just to scratch his entrepreneurial itch, it would be better to sell and move on to new things. Building a Bridge from Employee to Agency Owner When Eric decided to sell his agency, he identified an employee with  the ambition and capability to take over the business. The challenge then became structuring a deal that would make the purchase feasible for this successor. The plan was a five-year buyout with an element of owner's financing. Basically, Eric increased the employee's salary so that he could take a portion of this new salary each month and buy shares according to a distribution schedule. Over a five-year period he continued to buy shares as his equity increased. Once he hit a 45% ownership, he would buy the rest all that once through a loan. This structure not only provided the employee with a clear pathway to ownership but also allowed him to acclimate to the responsibilities of ownership without the pressure of an immediate buyout. He was able to learn about the business and develop his leadership skills under Eric's mentorship. For him, the key to succeeding with this type of structure is to take your time with the process. Ultimately, this was the best decision for the agency and for himself. Eric knew the business was in good hands and he also knew there were other things he wanted to do. He wanted to focus on helping other people run their businesses more efficiently. Not Your Time to Sell? Here are the 5 Roles of a CEO For Eric, not working in the business and feeling isolated from the work being done helped him realize he wanted to sell and move to other things. However, this doesn't have to be the case for all agency owners. You can successfully make the transition from owner to CEO and find meaning in your new role as long as you understand what that role is. The 5 roles of a CEO are: Grow and mentor the leadership team. To be the face of the company. To set vision and direction. Manage the financials. Be available for key relationships. Whatever you're doing, make sure they are part of these five roles. If it's something outside of these, you need to assess whether or not you are the one that should be doing it. If this is something you're ready to do for your agency, then selling is not the right move and you can continue being part of the business growth. If not, and you already have a plan for what you'll do after selling, then an acquisition is the best path for you. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training How do you measure your agency's success? Awards and accolade? Top-line revenue and big name clients? What if we told you a more focused and lean approach could be the best path. Today's featured guest realized the importance of finding a "sweet spot" in the agency world, so he moved to focusing on quality over quantity. He talks about the challenges of maintaining a small client roster and the benefits it brings. In his business model, his agency is providing consistent, high-quality work and building strong partnerships. Learn valuable insights on leadership, innovation, and the importance of a good relationship building. Nick Francis is the Chief Visionary Officer of The Franchise Group, a strategic marketing and creative agency that does a comprehensive range of services, including video production, web design, graphic design, and event production. He recounts his journey into the agency world, beginning with the support of a boss who became a mentor and surviving the housing market crash and the pandemic. Nick discusses how he built a culture that has created remarkable retention rates at his agency and why his network is his most important tool to keep a full client funnel. In this episode, we'll discuss: Adapting and innovating in uncertain times. Redefining success instead of chasing awards. Retaining talent longer than the industry average. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. Building an Agency with the Right Mentorship Nick began his career working in the film industry, later transitioning to the ad world, and eventually ending up at a company that blended both worlds working in video production and events. As part of a small team of five people, Nick worked on the creative development side from writing scripts to pitching ideas. His work attending events led him to form a network of people in that space who needed similar services. Soon he started bringing in new clients for the agency. Nick's boss noticed he' had mastered nearly every aspect of the business except financial management. He took the unusual step of sharing budgeting expertise with Nick and actively encouraging his independence. In 2006, Nick launched his own agency, bringing along a big client that sustained his business through its crucial first five months. It's a very unique case scenario to start your agency with your former boss's support and even taking a big client with you, but that relationship was pivotal in Nick's journey, with him continuing to be his mentor to this day. Adapting and Innovating in Uncertain Times Running an agency that focuses mostly on the events industry, Nick's business practically disappeared with the pandemic and the lockdowns. Suddenly, the agency lost a devastating 35% of its revenue that year. Instead of panicking, they quickly adapted to online events for a while. They moved to building a full broadcasting suite at their office to help clients get their message out in a time when they couldn't do so at live events. Initially, they faced resistance with clients still being more interested in traditional event experiences. However, as they persisted in promoting the benefits of virtual engagement, they found success in reaching a wider audience. It was a bold move that took some time to gain interest but it was the right call to keep the business going during those uncertain months. Redefining Success Instead of Chasing Awards The agency industry tends to be heavily focused on growth and competition, which affects how owners see their own milestones and overall success. The pressure to grow fast and beat their competition leads many owners to chase awards over personal fulfillment. But why should success be defined by outside metrics rather than personal satisfaction? For some, a lean, focused approach yields greater satisfaction more than a huge, impersonal operation. In Nick's case, after navigating the turbulent times of the housing market crash, he and his team adapted by becoming an extension of their clients' teams rather than merely functioning as external vendors. This shift allowed them to forge deeper connections with their clients, emphasizing collaboration and shared goals. After years of growth, he and his team started to consider the advantages of focusing on bigger clients who sign longer contracts and usually represent less hassle for them. On one hand they were thinking strategically about the future of the agency but on the other the agency just naturally moved in that direction based on what clients were looking for. Retaining Talent Longer Than the Industry Average Many owners believe if the business isn't growing employees will see stagnation and eventually leave. Instead, Nick advocates for balancing professional development with personal wellbeing as a different metric of success. His approach has yielded remarkable results, particularly with entry-level hires who typically remain with his agency for three to four years—far exceeding the industry standard. This success in retention stems from a deliberate focus on creating a fulfilling work environment. Nick has found that employee satisfaction most commonly correlates with feeling valued and finding meaning in their work. Career goals are important, of course, but as long as you continue to challenge your employees and innovate they'll stay inspired and motivated to do good work. You Never Know When You're Building a Relationship After nearly two decades in the industry, Nick has cultivated a powerful professional network that serves as his agency's primary source of high-value clients. In his view, a good network is everything and building and nurturing relationships should be not just a supplementary aspect of business but a fundamental aspect intertwined with growth, opportunity, and resilience. Nick advises agency owners to remember that genuine engagement with others leads to unexpected opportunities. By being fully present and attentive, it fosters deeper connections that later evolve into fruitful collaborations. You never know when you're building your next relationship, so approach networking not as a transactional but as an organic process of connection-building. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you integrating AI in your agency processes in the most effective ways? What sort of opportunities are you missing by not integrating AI into your agency's systems and processes? There's no going back from AI, so you might as well embrace it as it continues to evolve the ever changing agency landscape. While many agencies have begun incorporating AI tools, numerous opportunities remain unexplored, and the technology's full potential is still emerging. Today's featured guest brings unique insights as an agency owner who has fully embraced AI's transformative power. Through his continuous study and practical implementation of AI solutions, he has gained valuable perspectives on how this technology is fundamentally altering agency operations—from team structures to client expectations. Tune in for practical insights for agency leaders looking to harness AI's potential while adapting to the evolving demands of the digital marketplace. Manish Dudharejia is the founder of E2M Solutions, one of the largest white label partners for digital agencies that has established itself as a trusted resource for agencies needing support in website development, e-commerce, SEO, and content creation, particularly in WordPress. Manish is a good friend of the podcast and a repeat guest of the sharing insights on hiring tips for agencies, advice on how to level up your agency, and the right time to use acquisition as a strategy for growth. In this episode, we'll discuss: AI's role in agency evolution. Why your agency should stop charging hourly rates. 2 big opportunities for agencies to integrate AI. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio The Transitional Phase Agencies Face with the Rise of AI It seems as though things shift rapidly in the agency space ever since 1999 when the arrival of the internet forever transformed how we market. One of the biggest shifts in the agency model in recent history is the use of AI. This technology has come to completely revolutionize the internet and, as Manish points out, it's impossible to ignore. The launch of user-friendly platforms in the early 2000s marked the beginning of a paradigm shift. Businesses quickly became aware of these alternatives, leading to increased competition and a downward pressure on prices as businesses became more informed. Today, we find ourselves in a similar transitional phase. The integration of AI technologies into agency workflows promises to enhance efficiency by automating repetitive tasks, streamlining project management, and optimizing client communications. A more informed and discerning consumer expects personalized experiences and immediate responses. Agencies must adapt their strategies to meet these expectations, leveraging data and insights to create tailored campaigns that resonate with their target audiences.  AI's Role in Agency Evolution The rise in the use of AI technologies in the industry does not mean this technology will replace agencies. However, agencies that integrate AI will replace those who don't. What AI can do in agency world is not merely about automation or replacing human effort; rather, it is about enhancing capabilities and redefining the agency-client relationship. Historically, agencies had relied on large teams to execute projects and meet client demands. However, as technology evolves, the need for extensive manpower diminishes and agencies must position themselves as strategic advisors rather than just service providers. Clients are increasingly looking for partners who can address their biggest challenges, not just execute tasks. Additionally, AI is also having an impact on the dynamics of team structures within agencies. Traditionally, growth was synonymous with hiring more staff. However, the advent of AI challenges this idea. Today, agencies can achieve growth without necessarily increasing headcount. This shift encourages a leaner, more agile approach to business operations, where technology complements human expertise rather than replaces it. Why Your Agency Needs to Stop Charging Hourly Rates The advent of artificial intelligence (AI) presents a transformative opportunity for agencies to streamline their processes, reduce delivery times, and ultimately increase their bottom line. This reduction not only improves operational efficiency but also contributes to increased profitability. However, this also means you should reevaluate how you're charging and how you're choosing to present the value you're bringing to clients. With AI's ability to streamline processes and enhance productivity, agencies can significantly reduce the time and resources required for project completion. For instance, if a website that once took 100 hours to develop can now be completed in just 10 hours, agencies risk losing substantial profit if they maintain an hourly billing model. Bottom line, by charging hourly you are losing money by become more efficient. 2 Big Opportunities for Agencies to Integrate AI Fractional AI consultants. Manish sees huge opportunity for agencies that embrace AI consultancy as a crucial strategy to enhance their services, streamline operations, and ultimately drive revenue growth. By hiring fractional AI consultants, agencies can offer specialized guidance to their clients without the burden of fulltime hires. This approach not only allows agencies to enhance their service offerings but also enables them to assist clients in integrating AI into their daily operations. As AI continues to evolve, the demand for expertise in this area will grow, making it a timely investment for agencies looking to differentiate themselves in a competitive market. Responsive SOPs. Traditionally, SOPs serve as static documents that guide team members in their tasks. But how could AI improve this? For his part, Manish is testing dynamic SOPs powered by AI. By feeding existing SOPs into an AI agent, agencies can create a responsive system that provides real-time insights and recommendations. This approach not only enhances the relevance of SOPs but also allows teams to ask specific questions and receive tailored guidance. Using Ai in this way opens up many possibilities like identifying efficiencies as things change. For instance, you can use it to streamline the onboarding process, making it faster and more efficient. Additionally, it could provide valuable insights into client challenges, enabling agencies to respond more effectively and proactively address client needs. This adaptability is crucial in an environment where client expectations are constantly evolving. Furthermore, AI models trained on both public and private data can enhance the quality of SOPs and operational processes. By leveraging the insights generated from these models, agencies can refine their strategies and make more informed decisions, ultimately leading to better outcomes for both the agency and its clients. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Have you defined the who in your agency's growth journey? What are you using to guiding the type of team that will grow your agency to it's full potential? In today's episode, our featured guest shares his experience of co-founding a digital agency two decades ago with a group of former colleagues. By bringing clients from their previous agency and leveraging a steady stream of referrals, they were able to launch and grow their business. However, he quickly discovered that attracting the right talent—especially individuals excited to join a small, fledgling agency—was far more challenging than expected. Learn the valuable lessons he's learned about hiring, the qualities he looks for in candidates to drive his agency's success, and why he emphasizes the importance of acting swiftly when a hire isn't the right fit. Justin Hall is the co-founder and managing partner of Voxus PR, a B2B tech PR, social media, and content agency based in South Seattle. He shares the story behind how he and his partners transitioned from a larger agency to launching their own, the uncommon support from their former employer during their transition, and what's he's learned since about hiring and scaling. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why asking “who” matters more than “how” in agency growth. Balancing experience vs. potential in agency hiring. Be quick to act if a new hire is not the right fit. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. An Intentional Agency Backed by the Old Boss Justin's path to agency ownership was more deliberate than the typical accidental agency owner. He worked at a big agency twenty years ago, where he joined a group of workers who set out on their own to build an agency. Motivated by the idea that they could figure out a better way to do things, this group ventured to start their own business. They had built a reputation for exceptional work, which earned them not just their former boss's blessing, but also the opportunity to bring several existing clients with them. In fact, Justin acknowledges that their old boss' support played an important role in their eventual success. It's an extremely rare case scenario and one that was a result of the great work that these workers had done for that agency. Why 'Who' Matters More Than 'How' in Agency Growth When it comes to choosing a niche, Jason believes it's a mistake to make this decision based on your personal preferences. “Do I love this particular niche?” Is not necessarily the best question to ask yourself when choosing a path for your agency. Instead, this would be a good moment to ask yourself: “Where?” and “Who?” These questions serve as guiding principles for agency leaders, enabling them to empower their teams to make informed decisions autonomously. When agency leaders focus on the destination rather than the minutiae of the journey, they create an environment that fosters initiative and proactive problem-solving among their employees. In this sense, instead of asking HOW can I get my agency to the next level? Ask yourself WHO could help me reach that goal? And WHO do you need to become to not hold the agency back? This mindset of surrounding yourself with the right people who can contribute to the agency's vision and help navigate the complexities of growth should also align with your recruitment strategy. As Justin has learned, leaders should be hiring for initiative and communication rather than merely filling positions based on specific skill sets. Balancing Experience vs Potential in Agency Hiring Once the business was set up and some clients were secured, Justin and his partners faced the challenge of scaling and adding new business responsibilities to the client work they usually handled. Fortunately for them, the referrals poured in during the first several months, so new business was not a concern. On the other hand, finding talent willing to join a small agency was not easy. Unlike larger corporations with specialized roles and departments small agencies require employees to wear multiple hats. As Justin explains, the ideal candidate must not only excel in project management and writing but also be adept at pitching media and communicating effectively. This recruitment challenge prompted a fundamental strategic question: should they prioritize experienced people who could immediately contribute, or invest in developing new, young talent with the right potential? Each approach has its merits. Initially, the partners sought seasoned professionals who could make an instant impact. Yet they quickly discovered that these experienced hires often required significant support and integration. Hence, they now expand their search to also find talented young individuals fresh out of college with the right attitude and potential that could be trained to become valuable team members. The agency has adapted to offer these individuals what they would need to thrive: invested mentors and the right processes to make them the best they can be. Making Hard Choices in Small Agency Leadership Thinking about past hiring mistakes, Justin goes back to the need to fail fast when you're running a smaller agency. This is true for clients and also for employees. In both cases, you'll need to say no sometimes and be quick to find out whether or not they're the right piece in your puzzle. The balance between nurturing talent and recognizing when to make tough decisions is a delicate one that agency leaders must navigate. You may recognize the signs that an employee is just not right for your team but fail to act quickly and hold on to them thinking you can turn things around. It's human nature to want to fix the problem. For Justin, it depends on whether or not the employee is 100% invested in trying learn and get better. At the end of the day, however, if they're not capable of fulfilling certain functions in a time-effective manner, then they're probably the wrong fit. This philosophy is compassionate yet pragmatic. It recognizes that sometimes, the most supportive action is to acknowledge when an employee's skills and the agency's needs are fundamentally misaligned. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Have overwhelm or frustration ever made you want to sell your agency? When you're burned out, the grass might look greener — but one agency owner learned that it's not. Discover why he sold after just two years plus why the acquisition was dissolved and he grew his original business back to 5X within the next four years. Learn more about his reflections on why his initial burnout came to be, the reasons that partnership failed, and how he managed to rebuild his agency even stronger by surrounding himself with the right people. Alex Polamero is the founder of Ninestone Partners, an agency focused on the middle of the funnel. They build marketing and sales automation systems that help clients scale and effectively nurture prospects to closing. He discuss the evolution of his career, going from solopreneur to building and selling his agency and remaining as an equity partner. Alex also dives into his mindset and reasons behind his agency's sale and the events that led to him taking back ownership of its name and original clients. In this episode, we'll discuss: Selling as a way out of the burnout trap. Cashflow issues and not making payroll.  Lessons after buying back his agency. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Building an Agency by Filling the Gap Alex has over 20 years of experience working with CRMs, beginning as an Oracle superuser with an extensive network of contacts and later becoming a Marketo-certified expert managing marketing for a billion-dollar real estate firm. Seven years ago, he took the leap to start his own venture, Ninestone Partners. When he first launched his business, Alex viewed other agencies as competitors, seeing them as rivals in areas like website development and paid advertising. However, years of experience shifted his perspective. Today, his agency operates as a collaborator, working alongside other agencies and specializing in the middle of the funnel—where their expertise truly shines. According to Alex, most people don't know the nuances of every automation system, which one to use in each industry and how to help businesses grow quickly. This knowledge gap is where his team excels, helping businesses grow quickly by leveraging the right automation strategies tailored to their needs. Escaping Burnout by Selling the Agency Two years after starting his agency, Alex had two full-time employees and several contractors, even managing automated marketing solutions for a larger 25-person agency. Despite this success, he found himself overwhelmed and burned out. Looking back, he realizes the root of his struggles was that he hadn't chosen between being a solopreneur—taking most of the profits to fund his lifestyle—or committing to being a true business owner. Straddling both worlds, he continued accepting new projects for quick profits without building the necessary team infrastructure. His fear of hiring and potential failure led to increasingly unsustainable workweeks filled with late nights and weekends. This approach inevitably led to stagnation. Alex faced a classic dilemma: unable to handle more clients alone, yet afraid to bring on additional help. Like many inexperienced business owners, he had initially prioritized money over time and it took years before he learned to value time with his employees, family, and himself. His mindset reflected a common misconception among agency owners: that leadership means outworking everyone else and that constant busyness equates to productivity. Exhausted from this unsustainable approach, Alex ultimately sold his agency in a deal keeping him on as an equity partner. The arrangement promised relief from the administrative and management duties he disliked, allowing him to focus solely on sales. Post-Sale Breakdown: Cashflow Issues and Not Making Payroll The first weeks post-sale were great for Alex. He finally had time for himself and even went on a skiing trip with some friends. However, eight months later, the reality of balancing multiple roles began to take its toll. Juggling his sales responsibilities, equity partnership duties, and technical operations proved far more challenging than he had anticipated. Around this time, Alex and his partners discovered a critical issue: their invoicing process had completely broken down, resulting in six months of unpaid invoices, an oversight that left them without the funds to pay their 25 employees. With no money to cover payroll, Alex was forced to take out a high-interest loan, a decision that weighed heavily on him and his family. It became clear that not everything was going as well as he'd initially hoped. After this, Alex and the other partners reached the conclusion that there were some aspects of running the business in which they just didn't agree. Why Clarity is Key: Growing 5x in Four Years The heart-to-heart with his partners culminated in an offer to buy back his agency. Under the terms of the deal, his partners would retain his equity and any new clients acquired during that year, while Alex regained his previous clients and rights to the Ninestone name. Though he restarted with only half the business he had before the partnership, Alex viewed it as a fresh start. Four years later, his agency had grown to five times its size at the time of the split. This period was a lesson in humility and forced Alex to confront the reality of his situation and acknowledge that he didn't have all the answers. It also underscored the inherent uncertainty of the entrepreneurial journey—a reality he had to embrace rather than resist. Furthermore, the experience taught Alex an important lesson about having clarity as you start to build your business. Do you want to be a consultant working only with contractors and never having to build a team? Or do you want to build a business that you can sell in the future? The pathway is different; the mentality and systems are different for each approach. Once he committed to a clear direction, he Alex understood he needed to surround himself with experts. The founder does not need to do it all and be a lone wolf. Instead, being part of a pack brought him much more joy and helped him grow much more than he'd expected. Embracing Collaboration and Uncertainty to Unlock Your Agency's Potential What's the biggest bottleneck holding your agency back at the moment? As Alex learned with experience, he had been the bottleneck stifling his agency's growth by trying to juggle multiple responsibilities without a clear delineation. During his second run with the agency, he knew that as the visionary leader, he needed an integrator that would handle operations, freeing him up to focus on sales. By collaborating with others and delegating tasks according to expertise, owners can focus on their strengths, ultimately leading to a more efficient and successful operation. Basically, Alex figured out where he wanted to go and who he needed to hire to get there. Ultimately, the journey of building a business is not just about reaching a destination but about embracing the process as an ongoing experiment. Adopting a mindset that values experimentation and collaboration can lead to both personal fulfillment and professional success. Entrepreneurship is inherently uncertain. However by acknowledging this, you can cultivate a culture of innovation within your team, encouraging creative problem-solving and the exploration of new ideas. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Have you hit the limit of the growth you can single-handedly bring to your agency? What steps are you taking to ensure you continue to be your organization's MVP? For many agency owners, reaching hitting a glass ceiling on growth signals the need to bring on a skilled operator to help eliminate low-value tasks from their schedule. Today's featured guest specializes in operations hiring and has developed a systematic approach to identifying and delegating low value tasks that consume CEOs' time and energy. As an expert in operational efficiency, she trains operators to create effective processes that free founders to focus on strategic growth. She shares her secret to a great hiring funnel, what results to expect from an operator's first 90 days in your agency, and the #1 thing an operator does for their agency founder. Learn actionable insights on breaking through operational bottlenecks and building a strong operational foundation through strategic hiring and training. Jhana Li is a former COO and the founder of Spyglass Ops, an Operations Hiring Agency, working on behalf of digital businesses to find and hire operations positions. She discusses the challenges agency owners face when trying to scale their businesses and share insights on breaking through the common glass ceiling that many entrepreneurs encounter. Jhana emphasizes that growth stagnation often occurs when founders reach their personal limits in creativity and productivity. She provides valuable strategies for developing new skill sets and building a capable team to propel business growth beyond personal capabilities. In this episode, we'll discuss: The secret to a great hiring funnel that attracts A-players. The crucial first 90 days that determines an operator's success. The #1 thing an operator does for a CEO. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. Scaling Your Agency Beyond the Founder's Glass Ceiling As a former COO, Jhana has seen the glass ceiling many founders encounter at some point in their growth occurs once they've hit the limit of the growth they can personally create. It's no longer about showing up and single-handedly working out every problem or how innovative they can be. Breaking through that glass ceiling requires both personal transformation and strategic team building. The path forward demands founders step back from their hands-on approach and focus on developing a trusted leadership structure. This includes establishing middle management positions across all functional departments, ensuring each area has dedicated decision-makers and strategic thinkers. Central to this evolution is hiring an operations manager who can unify the team and create organizational cohesion, transforming disparate departments into a synchronized whole. Do You Have a Hiring Funnel That Consistently Attracts A-Players? For Jhana, hiring A-players is not about fishing in the right pond but rather using the right fishing rod. Great talent is available everywhere but does your agency have a hiring funnel that will consistently extract the right A-players for the right role? A strategically designed hiring funnel serves as both an attractor and a filter, automatically screening out 95% to 98% of applicants before they reach the interview stage. This efficiency comes from carefully crafted criteria that not only draw in ideal candidates but also discourage those who wouldn't be a good fit, saving valuable time and resources. This approach contrasts sharply with the common scarcity-driven hiring mindset, where employers cast wide nets and hesitate to filter out any candidates. According to Jhana, a well-structured hiring system achieves better results by focusing on quality over quantity, ultimately leading to conversations with only the most promising 3% of candidates who truly align with the role requirements. What's the Secret to a Great Hiring Funnel? Building mousetraps in your job post and hiring process is one thing – for instance, Jhana and her team add a codeword to the job description that they'll ask the candidate to repeat during the job application process. However, she only uses that type of strategy for roles that require a high level of attention to detail. Other than that, she has a secret weapon that has consistently given her the best results: performing a skill assessment before sending a candidate to interviews. Skill assessments can take up to two hours, which is exactly the point. It's a way to stress test the candidate to see if they already have the experience for the role. Jhana likes to include very specific questions to get candidates to think about how they would tackle a major challenge associated with that role, which experienced candidates will have no problem doing. Moreover, the effort a candidate puts into completing a skill assessment can be telling. A candidate who submits a thorough, well-structured response demonstrates a commitment to excellence and an understanding of the expectations of the role. In contrast, a lackluster submission may indicate a lack of motivation or a superficial understanding of the job requirements. Candidates who have genuine experience in a given area will articulate their thoughts with clarity and assurance, while those who are less familiar may struggle to provide coherent answers. By designing assessments that require candidates to draw on their past experiences, you can better identify those who are truly equipped to handle the challenges of the role. The First 90 Days: A Guide to Integrating New Operators Jhana has learned that an experienced operator will take their first 30 days with a company to observe, learn, and listen before they jump in and start fixing things. They understand that what they see at first glance might not be the root cause issue at play. Therefore, if they jump in and start tacking inefficiencies right away they might be missing the actual issue. From a founder's perspective, it may be frustrating, as they expect immediate results. However, it is essential for operators to familiarize themselves with the intricacies of the business to address the root causes of inefficiencies effectively. To prevent these frustrations, Jhana recommends scheduling a “success meeting” at the second-week mark. By that time, your operator will have had two weeks to observe the inner workings of your agency. During this meeting, the operator presents their findings and aligns with the founder on priorities moving forward. The result of this meeting should be a clear understanding of what the operator is expected to accomplish within their first 90 days so the founder knows this is in fact the right person for the job. How much time should you invest in training a COO? Jhana knows of cases where the founder is still training their ops manager six months later. To her, you should always keep in mind that any time spent on training is an investment on that person and they won't return on that investment until they are fully functional in their role. She prefers to do a 14-day boot camp before seeing ROI. During that time, she makes herself available every day for a minimum of 30 minutes so they can ask any questions or run something by her. The #1 Thing an Operator Should Do for the CEO The most important thing an ops manager should be doing for their CEO is help optimize their time to maximize their contributions to the organization and ensure that they focus on high-value tasks that drive growth. The CEO is supposed to be the agency's MVP and yet they constantly undervalue themselves when they spend time doing low-value tasks. This is why Jhana trains her operators to do a time audit on their CEO during their first 30 days in the organization. As a result, they can determine how much of the founder's time is going to low-value tasks and prepare a game plan to get them out of day-to-day operations. This misallocation of time detracts from the CEO's ability to innovate and lead and costs the organization in terms of lost opportunities and diminished productivity. Why not start now? Even if you're not at the point where you can hire an operator, do a time audit, locate the low-value tasks taking up too much of your time, and then delegate them to an assistant. That alone would make a huge difference in ensuring you're spending more time growing the business. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do your employees have a clear path for growth within your agency? Do they feel supported, empowered, and fulfilled in their role? Today's featured guest shares insights from his journey transforming his agency team structure that resulted in thriving for the business, his team, and himself. After years of struggle, this agency CEO took ownership of his role and developed a strategic approach to employee motivation and development. By reimagining annual reviews and creating meaningful growth opportunities, he shifted from an environment of stagnation to one of continuous improvement. In this interview, learn the benefits of offering a clear path for growth within your agency, and how to improve your team's experience during annual reviews. He also shares how to get yourself out of sales — if that's something you want — and why you need to keep doing what you love. Warren Wilansky is the president and founder of Plank, a Montreal-based digital agency specializing in arts and culture, nonprofit, and higher education projects. He shares his agency ownership journey and discusses the challenges of navigating the early days of the agency, including the learning curve of running a business and the evolution of his role as a sole owner. In this episode, we'll discuss: The mindset shift that allowed for team retention and growth. Redefining employee reviews and how to have them review you. Maintaining purpose as your agency grows. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. A Traditional Story of Accidental Agency Ownership Warren's journey is a pretty traditional accidental agency owner story. Starting with a communications degree, he transitioned from freelance website design to founding an agency with two partners. However, the partnership proved unstable—one left after six months, and the other departed after five years, ultimately leaving Warren as the sole owner for years, until his first employee became his current partner. Initially, Warren viewed his agency more as a collaborative collective among friends rather than a structured business. This perception shifted dramatically when his second partner departed, forcing him to fully embrace his role as a CEO. For the first time, he recognized the need to take complete responsibility for every aspect of the agency. While continuing to engage in website design—his original passion—Warren realized that his most critical project was the company itself and its strategic development. A Mindset Shifts that Allows for Employee Retention and Growth As he navigated the early stages of his agency, Warren quickly recognized the importance of hiring people who could outshine him in their respective roles. For instance, the agency hired its first creative director once he discovered someone who was a better designer than he'd ever be. This realization marked a turning point in his business strategy. Instead of attempting to be the best at every task, Warren embraced the idea that the success of his agency depended on assembling a team of skilled professionals who could bring their expertise to the table. Another important milestone in his hiring structure was the introduction of director-level positions. Initially, Warren adopted a model where all team members were viewed as equals, believing this would promote collaboration and creativity. However, he soon realized that this lack of hierarchy left employees with limited opportunities for advancement. Without clear pathways to grow within the organization, talented individuals often felt stagnant, leading to disengagement and, ultimately, turnover. A structured hierarchy with a path for career progression allows individuals who excelled in their roles to take on new challenges and responsibilities. It also serves as a chance for team members to figure out whether they liked the feeling of running a company, fostering a sense of ownership and accountability among team members. Redefining Employee Reviews - and Having Them Review You Most employees have a love-hate relationship with the annual review. On the one hand, they fear the feedback but on the other they also await the meeting in order to discuss a raise. At Warren's agency, the team conducts annual and quarterly reviews for more regular check-ins. Although they're still called “reviews” at Warren's agency, Jason's advice is to change the term to something that doesn't evoke feelings of judgment and scrutiny, redefining this process by labeling it as a "coaching session." This emphasizes the supportive nature of the interaction, framing it as an opportunity for development rather than an evaluation of past performance. Overall, the biggest challenge is finding the right balance of positivity while still offering areas of improvement without demotivating employees in the process. As Warren points out, traditional reviews often begin with critiques, which can overshadow positive feedback. By reorienting the conversation to highlight accomplishments first, followed by constructive suggestions for improvement, employees are more likely to retain and act upon the feedback provided. In addition to reviewing your team, as a CEO or founder you should also want to know your areas of improvement. It can be hard getting that information out of employees, who might feel intimidated. A good framing to get the information you want is to ask "What do you want me to start doing?" "What do you want me to keep doing?" and "What do you want me to stop doing?" In this way, you will get provide enough context for valuable insights without putting your team in the awkward position of formally reviewing you. Agency Sales: Freeing the Founder & Empowering the Team As CEO, Warren's current role is mostly looking for ways to support his strategy team, tapping into his network to bring more opportunities for the agency, and being the face of the agency. The CEO is also the person who has all the relationships and all the stories that shape an agency's identity and are a great tool to converting a new client. Having all the stories can lead a CEO to believe no one could possibly replace them in sales, after all, only they have the necessary narratives to engage clients. However, then the agency would fall apart if the founder ever decided to retire. Instead, if you can share those stories with your team to use on different case scenarios, you will free up your time to focus on the agency's growth and empower your team to  share their own client success stories. In the end, are the stories from 10 or 20 years ago the only ones worth telling in your agency? For Warren, the stories being created today are just as important and even more so. Instead of romanticizing old stories, give your team the chance to use them to engage clients as they gain experience instead of just selling on features. Eventually, they'll have stories of their own and they will take full ownership of sales, which in turn will free you up as agency owner to dedicate to the business' growth. How to Maintain Purpose as Your Agency Grows As CEO you should do what you love and delegate or eliminate the things you don't. In Marc's case, he enjoys sales, which he views as relationship building rather than a transactional process. He advocates for founders to carefully distinguish between tasks they love and those they want to delegate. Completely removing yourself from sales can lead to professional dissatisfaction, so Marc recommends creating processes flexible enough to allow strategic involvement. While the team should be capable of handling most sales independently, founders can still contribute by joining initial or final calls to add depth and personal connection. Just be mindful of the things you hate doing and want to delegate and the things that really bring you joy and wish to keep doing. Only with that clarity you'll be able to prioritize and choose a path that won't kill your love of the work. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Is your agency in need of a rebrand? Many of us are accidental agency owners who threw together a brand without fully understanding our niche or service offering; starting with just a basic name and logo. As the agency evolves this may signal the need for a strategic brand refresh. Today's featured guest runs a rebranding agency and shares the scenarios that could justify a rebrand, the difference the right will name make for clients to differentiate you, and share some rebranding strategies to keep in mind. Jim Heininger is a seasoned agency owner based in Chicago who runs two agencies: Dixon James, a strategic communication and change management firm, and the rebranding specialists known as the Rebranding Experts. With over 25 years of experience in the public relations industry, Jim discusses the importance of building a strong agency presence, why your name matters, and when is the right time to think about a rebrand. In this episode, we'll discuss: 2 big reasons agencies rebrand Why names matter for brand differentiation. Things to consider before renaming your agency.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. What Does Brand Mean? Jim built his career in the agency environment, spending 25 years in public relations working for some major agencies like Bushman Hillard and Ketchum. Later on, he worked for McDonald's as a communications strategist tasked with helping them get through some brand issues they faced at the time. His time at McDonald's taught him a lot about the perspective on agencies and how to form great client relationships to get the best work out of your agency. This time proved transformative for his career, it was when he had the opportunity to start his own agency and also when he started learning more about branding. Jim defines a brand as the comprehensive collection of experiences and assets that define a company, extending far beyond visual elements like logos to encompass customer experience, brand promises, and their fulfillment. While a brand ultimately exists in customers' minds, and you'll never be able to control how customers perceive it, you can influence that perception. Influential figures like Steve Jobs understood the importance of brand narratives and greatly admired Nike, which has mastered the art of branding by creating a strong identity that transcends their products. Businesses should actively manage their brand perception rather than allowing external forces to dictate it. Hence, it is only logical they consider rebranding once the brand no longer represents their business. 2 Big Reason to Consider an Agency Rebrand According to Jim, agencies are the business category that most frequently undergo rebrands. It makes sense, given so many are accidental agencies. Many agency owners begin as skilled practitioners who establish a business in response to growing client demand, often resulting in a created brands that may not stand the test of time. There are two common reasons why founders consider a rebrand: Make it all about the business, instead of yourself. Many agencies initially build their brand around the founder's expertise. As the business grows, however, there's often a strategic need to highlight the broader team's capabilities, reducing client expectations for direct founder involvement in every project. Niching down. Another common scenario prompting a rebrand is when an agency decides to niche down its services. While owners might worry about alienating existing clients through rebranding, Jim notes that clients typically focus more on service quality and results than brand aesthetics. Rebranding is not merely a cosmetic change; it is a strategic decision that requires careful consideration. If your current brand fails to differentiate you from competitors or clearly communicate your value proposition and target audience, it could be time to rebrand. Success lies in approaching it as a strategic initiative, involving key stakeholders, and maintaining focus on innovation and market relevance. Ultimately, a well-executed rebrand not only revitalizes an agency's image but also reinforces its commitment to delivering exceptional value to clients in an ever-changing environment. Why Names Matter for Brand Differentiation If we look around, we're surrounded by big brands with names that didn't necessarily mean much before their success gave it meaning. For examlpe, did “google” even mean anything before 1998? It's natural to ask ourselves then if a name is really that important. For small businesses, yes, a name is very important because it's your opportunity to put something compelling out there, capture the audience's attention, and differentiate your business. Nowadays it's getting harder to name a corporation, as it seems the good names are all taken. This has led to a trend of using unconventional names, which, while potentially memorable, risk confusing potential clients. The balance between distinctiveness and clarity has become a critical consideration in the naming process. Jim's approach to rebranding starts with a name that is packed with meaning, is exciting to the client, and inspires them to put together a cohesive elevator pitch. A well-chosen name should serve as a foundation for effective storytelling, enabling businesses to communicate their value proposition clearly and memorably. Things to Consider Before Renaming Your Agency A name serves as the first point of contact between a brand and its audience and should encapsulate the essence of the agency's mission, values, and unique offerings. There's a lot of work to be done before landing on the perfect name, like understanding your differentiators, your promise to customers, and the legacy you want to leave. Understanding these elements correctly will help you come up with a clear brand promise and a word that represents that promise and brings it to light. Additionally, think about the type of word you want. Do you want a descriptive word? Do you want to coin a term? Or maybe borrow meanings from existing words that can be contextualized within the industry? Naming, therefore, becomes a strategic endeavor that requires a deep understanding of the agency's strengths and the value it offers to clients. Just remember the approval timeline associated with trademarking a name can take up to a year, which is why agencies should be confident in their chosen name and conduct a thorough review process, ensuring that it not only resonates with the brand's identity but is also legally viable. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you need to get yourself out of agency operations so you can work ON the agency rather than in it? Are you stuck in processes and fulfillment when you should be looking at growth? It might be time to hire for the role of COO to ensure your agency's success. A Chief Operating Officer plays a pivotal role in an agency's development, significantly reducing the CEO's operational burden. However, timing is crucial – agencies should carefully consider their growth stage before initiating the search for a COO, and thoroughly understand the position's complexities to ensure an ideal match. Our featured guest brings a unique perspective to this discussion. Having served as both COO and now CEO at her current agency, she offers valuable insights into the essential qualities needed for the role. Her experience illuminates the delicate balance required between the visionary (CEO) and the executor (COO), demonstrating how this partnership can drive optimal agency outcomes. Brittany Filori is the CEO of 51Blocks and several other white label agencies serving agency owners and entrepreneurs. She discusses the crucial role of a Chief Operating Officer (COO) in agency management and shares her unique journey from starting at the bottom to becoming a CEO, providing valuable insights into the relationship dynamics between CEOs and COOs. In this episode, we'll discuss: Do you need a COO or an Ops Manager? The most important roles of a great COO. The crucial CEO-COO dynamic. Preventing COO burnout. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Should You Hire an Operations Manager or a COO? The decision to hire a Chief Operating Officer (COO) marks a critical turning point in an agency's growth journey. Brittany recalls transiting to a COO role once her agency was big enough to need department managers. Of course, this can vary from business to business but for her it comes down to whether the owner was ready to hand off the keys of the business' growth, and whether they needed a second hand to get the agency to the next level. Unlike an Operations Manager, whose role is managing the team, the COO is often seen as the backbone of an organization, responsible for ensuring day-to-day operations align with broader strategic goals. According to Brittany, bringing in a COO could be the best or worst decision you make, depending on who you put in that seat. It's certainly a tricky role to hire and Brittany urges agency owners to clearly define their needs. Are you seeking someone to manage personnel, or do you need a strategic thinker to drive business growth and operational excellence? These fundamental questions can mean the difference between a successful hire and a costly misstep. Strategic Operations Staffing for Growing Agencies For growing agencies not yet ready for a COO, an operations manager can provide crucial support by taking on team management responsibilities. Given the high-stress nature of operations and its potential for burnout, finding the right person requires careful consideration of both management skills and operational expertise. Agencies usually pay a pretty penny for someone who comes in with that talent. However, for smaller agencies that don't have the budget for an Operations Manager just yet, Brittany recommends training the best account manager to start to fit into that role. A great Ops Manager should be a great leader with attention to detail and the ability to see the big picture. This internal promotion strategy provides a cost-effective path to filling a critical role while also creating growth opportunities that can boost team morale and retention. 3 Most Important Roles of an Amazing COO A COO serves as the backbone of an organization, balancing multiple critical responsibilities that directly impact both the company's success and its culture. Here are three key attributes that define an exceptional COO: Comprehensive knowledge of the agency. A great COO must understand how each department functions independently and how they interconnect to support one another. This understanding extends beyond internal operations to encompass the client perspective, as every strategic decision must account for both team capabilities and customer experience. Strong financial intelligence is crucial for effective operations management. COOs must constantly evaluate agency profitability, assess resource allocation, analyze client contribution margins, and monitor employee costs. For example, an experienced COO like Brittany learns to view every decision through both a financial and customer-centric lens. Whereas earlier in their careers, they might have focused primarily on client satisfaction without fully considering the financial impact on the agency. Leadership excellence stands as a fundamental yet often overlooked requirement. Many mistakenly believe that a COO's role revolves solely around numbers and processes. However, the position demands someone who can effectively guide and inspire teams toward organizational goals. Strong communication skills and leadership abilities are not optional extras but prerequisites for success in this role. The Dynamic Between the CEOs & COOs The relationship between CEO and COO is more nuanced than many realize, according to Brittany. At its core, it's a partnership between a visionary and an integrator, where the greatest challenge lies in maintaining distinct roles despite overlapping talents. Rather than seeking a mirror image of themselves, CEOs should look for COOs who complement their strengths—even if that means partnering with someone who seems like their opposite. With these inherent differences, CEOs and COOs must learn to manage conflict, which instead of being avoided, should be embraced as a necessary element of collaboration that can serve as a mechanism for clarity. In her case, Brittany and her COO find the most constructive way to navigate conflict is to stick to facts and remove emotion. You want a COO who will complement you while also challenging you to think differently about issues to obtain the best possible results. In an effective CEO-COO relationship, the foundation is trust and communication, anchored by shared core values and commitment to the organization's mission. Brittany's advice to CEOs is to let your COO fail. If you don't fully agree with how they're planning to execute something give them a shot to try it their way. If they fail, your job as CEO is to help pick them back up, not criticize them, because otherwise they won't feel confident bringing forward innovative ideas in the future. Preventing COO Burnout: Building a Sustainable Leadership Structure As Brittany highlights, finding the right COO is just the beginning; ensuring their longevity within the organization is equally vital. The COO often bears the brunt of operational stress, alleviating burdens from the CEO and other leadership roles. Therefore, it is crucial for agency owners to actively support their COOs by ensuring they have all the tools they need to execute efficiently and feel supported. Implementing structured platforms for dialogue, such as regular check-ins and performance reviews, can facilitate healthy discussions about workload, expectations, and career aspirations. This not only helps in managing stress levels but also reinforces a sense of partnership and collaboration between the COO and the rest of the leadership team. COOs can get overwhelmed and stressed too. Finding one that matches your organization well is already hard enough so once you do, make sure you can find a way to retain them. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Is artificial intelligence revolutionizing business operations or threatening the carefully crafted storytelling techniques developed over decades? As many businesses struggle with integrating AI while maintaining authentic connections, today's featured guest offers valuable insights from his perspective as both an agency leader and AI advocate as well as someone who can see some of the fatigue caused by the ever-growing demand for constant information that has been aided by AI and the availability to create content faster and efficiently. He shares the ways he is integrating AI technology into his own agency, and why he believes it won't work when it comes to replacing the human touch. Learn about his vision for AI use in business, the trends he sees changing in consumer preferences in social media, and how agencies can adapt to AI. Marc Beckman is the co-founder and CEO of DMA United, a New York City agency specializing in style and design, with a broad reach into fashion, art, music, sports, and entertainment. He shares the pros and cons of building great relationships with company CMOs, his agency's challenges improving at self-promotion, and how he sees AI has affecting the very human art of storytelling. In this episode, we'll discuss: Building a reputation that attracts big brands. The double-edged sword of CMO relationships. AI integration done right; the framework agencies need. Did AI kill storytelling?  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. Building a Reputation That Attracts Big Brands Over thirty years ago, Marc, then the owner of a cosmetic company, met a branding specialist who had carved out his niche in the luxury sector. Their initial collaboration proved so successful that when Christian Dior acquired Marc's cosmetic company, the two of them saw an opportunity to create something bigger together and joined forces as DMA United. According to Marc, their agency's approach has never been about self-promotion or chasing after marquee clients for the sake of reputation. Instead, Marc and his partner built their reputation on letting the work speak for itself. By focusing on the work rather than the accolades, DMA United has built a reputation that attracts clients organically, including industry giants like Sony Music, Warner Brothers Entertainment, and Pepsi. Pros and Cons of Getting in Bed with a CMO Starting with their first big clients, Kerastase (a L'Oreal subsidiary), Marc's agency was able to move to working with other big names thanks in part to the relationships they built with CMOs. As CMOs move from one company to another, they often bring their trusted agency partners, creating a network of opportunities based on proven performance. Some of these CMOs have worked with his agency for their entire careers from big brand to big brand. This dynamic also presents challenges. When a CMO leaves, the new leadership may seek to reinvent their brand strategy, often leading to the loss of established partnerships. Marc acknowledges this double-edged sword but suggests agencies can mitigate this risk by diversifying their offerings. By expanding their skill set beyond traditional marketing and into emerging technologies like blockchain, Web3, and artificial intelligence, his agency has created a unique value proposition that makes it harder for people to let go of them. AI Integration Done Right: A Strategic Framework for Agency Innovation As a proponent and an author on AI integration in agency operations, Marc has developed a nuanced approach to incorporating artificial intelligence into his agency's work, focusing primarily on two areas: data analysis and content creation. In the fashion and lifestyle sectors where Marc's agency operates, traditional data analysis often poses significant challenges. Executive teams typically struggle with multiple data sets and time-consuming reporting processes, making swift market responses difficult. AI technology addresses this pain point by enabling real-time data analysis, allowing executives to make informed decisions instantly. CEOs and CMOs can now evaluate marketing campaign performance across platforms immediately and adjust budget allocations dynamically for optimal results. However, Marc's enthusiasm for AI comes with careful consideration of its limitations, particularly in creative work. While AI excels at generating quick visual content and creating operational efficiencies, his agency maintains a balanced approach. The technology's current state, still in its infancy, serves best as a complementary tool rather than a replacement for human creativity. The core of effective storytelling and branding, Marc argues, remains rooted in human insight and emotional intelligence. Overall, his vision isn't about surrendering creativity to algorithms but rather about leveraging AI's strengths while preserving the irreplaceable human element in creative work and that, rather than a threat, businesses should focus on harnessing its potential to enhance their operations and drive innovation. Therefore, the future of creativity lies not in the replacement of human input but in the collaboration between human ingenuity and AI capabilities. Did AI Kill Storytelling? While artificial intelligence excels at producing high-volume, short-form content for our attention-starved digital landscape, he questions whether this marks the end of meaningful storytelling or perhaps signals an impending shift in consumer preferences. The current media environment, saturated with brief clips and advertisements, has created a paradox: content is more abundant than ever, yet authentic engagement seems increasingly rare. Although AI helps meet the demand for constant content production, its output often lacks the emotional resonance and nuanced understanding that human creators naturally bring to their work. There are growing signs of content fatigue among audiences which suggests a potential revival of long-form storytelling that weaves narratives that consumers can relate to. Brands can certainly benefit from this return to long-form that allows them to become educators and storytellers, providing insights that empower consumers in their decision-making processes. AI can still be a center component in the creation of this longer content, of course, Marc just emphasizes it'll always need human overseeing to give it the relatability that will really engage people and keep them coming back. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you leveraging public speaking to grow your brand? Have you considered expanding your reach by having team members represent your company at events or interviews? Today's featured guest has transformed public speaking from a marketing tactic into a primary source of new business leads. In just three years, he went from getting most of his business from webinars to getting most of his leads from his speaking engagements. In this episode, learn the common fears that keep agency owners from speaking at more events, the type of speaker you should be to attract more business, and why you should consider building a team willing to share their expertise and promote your agency at events or interviews. Dale Bertrand is the founder of Fire & Spark, a Boston-based SEO agency with a team of 25. He shares his journey from being a software developer to diving into the world of digital marketing. He also shares about transforming his love for public speaking into a key agency tool to promote his business and getting new leads. With a busy schedule of 30 conferences annually, he shares how he built his speaking career and what lies ahead to keep the momentum going. In this episode, we'll discuss: Where to start in public speaking. Should you give away your secrets? Why the “giver” speaker sees results. Converting speaking engagements into business growth. The benefits of sharing the spotlight. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. How Public Speaking Transformed an Agency Frustrated with his previous career as a software developer, Dale sought to learn more about digital marketing. Already dabbling in website development and affiliate marketing in his spare time, Dale found the digital marketing field appealing enough to leave his coding career behind. This transition led him to consulting and eventually founding his own agency, which has grown into a seven-figure business. Until 2023, most new business came through webinars and strategic partnerships. However, an unexpected shift occurred as speaking engagements began generating the majority of his leads. This transformation was particularly notable by 2024, when conference appearances became his primary source of new business. Before the pandemic, Dale had only attended a few small events, enough to discover his passion for public speaking. Once restrictions lifted, came his big opportunity. Many conferences were now looking for speakers, as many dropped out due to the reduced audiences. Dale took the chance, said yes to everything, and started a new unexpected stage in his career where he now travels most weeks doing something he really enjoys. How to Easily Gain Confidence as a Speaker Understandably, many people fear getting on stage as an expert, especially if they're not very familiar with the subject. When Dale first started making taking the stage at these events, he spoke about his own case studies. It was a subject he knew well and felt comfortable talking about. This helped when it came to gaining confidence as a speaker and was something audiences loved because it was like pulling back the curtain on his processes and what he does. For Dale, this is the ideal place to start, because instead of a dry informational speech you're providing insights and tips based on something you actually worked on and are passionate about. How to Prepare for a Speaking Event: You should never just show up to an event without previously researching and preparing for the subject you'll be covering. Dale has a comprehensive "event playbook"—a detailed spreadsheet outlining thirty specific preparation tasks for each speaking engagement. This tool outlines key strategies and actions tailored to the specific conference, which includes researching other speakers, understanding the audience demographics, and identifying potential opportunities for networking. Understanding his audience allows him to craft targeted content that resonates with attendees, while additional initiatives like hosting dinner events create valuable opportunities for deeper connections in a more relaxed setting. While the process itself isn't complicated, Dale clarifies this is not a process he completes on his own. He has three people on his team who help him execute this playbook starting from the planning and execution to following up with attendees afterword. Why Being a Giver Delivers the Best Results In public speaking, you may encounter two types of speakers, the givers and the takers. The takers often approach speaking engagements with a transactional mindset, focusing on what they can extract from the audience—be it attention, leads, or sales—without offering substantial value in return. In contrast, givers prioritize the audience's needs and interests, sharing insights and methodologies generously. Dale firmly believes it's better to be a giver and often ends up sharing more than he had intended to. As a representative for an SEO agency, he advocates for a strategy of sharing even the most intricate details of their methodology, dubbed "SEO for Revenue." By openly discussing their framework and providing actionable insights, Dale empowers his audience to understand the complexities of SEO while simultaneously positioning himself as a credible expert. Some people may think he's sharing too much, but most of the time what happens is that half the people try execute his recommendations and the other half decide they don't have the time to do it themselves and contract his services. This tactic not only builds confidence in the speaker's capabilities but also encourages potential clients to seek their assistance when they realize the challenges involved in executing such strategies independently. Converting Speaking Engagements into Business Growth Speaking at events can be an excellent way to grow your business by getting yourself in front of your audience and establish your expertise. However, it can also be quite expensive. In his case, Dale doesn't pay to get a spot in these events. Half of the time he gets paid to speak and the other half he pays for his airfare and hotel. As long as it nets out to zero, he's willing to attend as many conferences as he gets invited to. Speaking engagements offer not only a platform to share knowledge but also a unique opportunity to build credibility and foster connections that can lead to significant business growth, in addition to the visibility it can offer, as one speaking engagement can serve as a stepping stone to further opportunities. Pro Tip: Include a Call to Action To ensure you'll get the most of your time on stage and go home with new leads, Dale recommends adding a call to action that can get some audience members to send you their contact information. He makes sure to include a slide in the middle of his presentation with a QR code for anyone who wants to download the slides. This way, they fill out a form offering him a way to follow up after a few days. This call to action can vary depending on the topic of discussion. For instance, it may be a piece of content pertaining to the topic discussed or slides with prompts he mentioned during the presentation. In the case of smaller groups, like a webinar, he already has their contact information and focuses on getting people to sign up for a strategy session. The Benefits of Sharing the Spotlight with Your Team With a few years of public speaking under your belt, you may start to recognize the importance of being selective with the events you attend to throughout the year. You may not want to travel as much and consider not attending the smaller events. In these cases, Dale encourages a team member to participate in speaking engagements as a strategic way to amplify his agency's presence. As he sees it, nowadays  everyone can be an influencer in their own right and can contribute to the brand's visibility. This is something he'll consider for future hires with a view to cultivate a team of individuals willing to share their insights and expertise to attract clients and enhance credibility. By fostering a culture that encourages and supports public speaking, businesses can cultivate a diverse array of voices that contribute to their growth and visibility. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.  

Have you dedicated time to ensure the health of your email list? If you've built a 15,000-person email list for your business—that's a huge accomplishment! But what if that list isn't performing? If your open rates are as low, that number becomes meaningless. It's not about the quantity of subscribers, but the quality of your engagement. Moreover, if you're not consistently delivering valuable content that keeps you top-of-mind as a problem-solver, then you're not maximizing the potential of your list. Today's featured guest shares his insights on effective email marketing strategies, including optimal content delivery frequency, list maintenance best practices, and how his agency has evolved over the past decade. Drawing from his experience, he advocates for email marketing as a reliable channel that doesn't depend on unpredictable social media algorithms. He believes many companies are overlooking a gold mine by fixating on new client acquisition while neglecting their existing client base. Reade Milner is the co-owner of Rogue Pine, a digital marketing agency focused on the middle of the funnel and email marketing. Reade shares his journey into the world of digital marketing and discusses why many agencies are actually sitting on a gold mine when they're searching for new clients. Reade also shares how often you should be sending value content to your lists, and more. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why most agencies are sitting on a gold mine. How to build a newsletter people will actually want to read. Why 40% is the new 20% in open rates. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. How Real-World Experience Shaped a Marketing Career Reade's digital marketing journey began as a high school student, when he worked at a family business and was tasked with figuring out how to build a digital strategy to attract customers online. Looking back, he doesn't know how serious they were in trusting such a young person with an important component of their business. However, Reade took it very seriously since it seemed like a smart thing to learn. The abilities he gained from that experience and then starting and crashing his own business in college helped him continue down the path of marketing and content, working at an agency right after college. According to Reade, going through college taught him nothing about digital marketing or the skills he would continue to develop to succeed in that industry. Instead, it was the Hubspot certifications he completed during his time at that agency what helped him learn the marketing terminology he needed. At that time, he also started to take side projects, which led to eventually starting his own agency. Why Most Marketing Agencies Are Sitting on a Gold Mine Many businesses focus heavily on client acquisition while overlooking the valuable opportunity of growing their relationships with existing clients. These established relationships represent untapped potential for growth, as current clients already understand and trust your services, making them more likely to engage with additional offerings. To remain relevant in these clients' minds, Reade emphasizes the importance of consolidating client contacts from various sources—CRMs, spreadsheets, and databases—into a comprehensive email list and establishing consistent, meaningful communication through targeted content creation. What is stopping most people from grabbing this low-hanging fruit? Many fear that emailing clients too often leads to them unsubscribing from their list. However, the risk of being irrelevant to them is far worse and gets you nowhere. Remember, if you don't ask, the answer will always be no. Regular engagement will ensure customers are aware of your continued growth and ability to address their evolving business challenges. Moreover, satisfied clients often become brand advocates, providing referrals and testimonials that can be invaluable for attracting new business. 3 Key Sections to Build Newsletters People Actually Want to Read When it comes to client communications, Reade believes there's no such thing as too long, just too boring. If the information you offer is useful to people, they won't mind skimming through it to get to the most important aspects. If it's useless, however, they'll ignore it even if it's just a paragraph. If you're just getting started with a newsletter or are trying to establish consistency in your content, Reade recommends having three sections: Original section, where you're leading with value by offering an original piece of content. Curated section with recommendations of social media posts, articles, or videos you recommend. Highlight section, where you can highlight case studies or products or services you offer. It's enough to keep people informed about your services and milestones while not being too overwhelming. Reade also dives into the effectiveness of subject lines and why it lies not in its consistency but in its ability to pique curiosity and draw the reader in. While establishing a recognizable brand can be valuable, he believes in the need for experimentation to generate curiosity. So instead of leading with your company name (ie: The XYZ Newsletter #45) try to create curiosity by leading with a particular piece of information that may be very useful for your audience. Furthermore, testing various subject lines—from intriguing questions to bold statements—can yield insights into what resonates most with the audience. The goal is to spark interest and drive opens, which ultimately leads to deeper engagement with the content itself. Why 40% is the New Standard for Email Open Rates For Reade, 40% is the new 20% in terms of the goal for open rates. Aiming for a 40% open rate might be more appropriate nowadays considering the changes in email platforms and clients that often auto-open emails for security purposes, which can artificially inflate open rates. This is why he recommends recalibrating expectations and focusing on achieving higher engagement metrics that reflect the true interest of your audience. In addition to content quality, list management plays a crucial role in optimizing your email engagement. For Reade, it's worth it to prune your email list to remove subscribers who are no longer interested in your content and thus refine your audience. This improves engagement rates and ensures you communications are reaching individuals genuinely interested in you offerings. It's essential for maintaining a healthy email list that drives meaningful interactions. Interestingly, Reade places less emphasis on clickthrough rates compared to open rates. He recommends embedding complete content within emails rather than relying on external links. While low clickthrough rates aren't necessarily concerning when paired with healthy open rates, they can signal an opportunity to optimize content strategy. This might involve refining newsletter language and call-to-action elements to better guide readers toward desired interactions, especially when specific clickthrough targets exist. The Power of Direct: Why You Shouldn't Overlook the Impact of Email While email marketing might not be considered the most glamorous marketing channel—some even see it as outdated—the data tells a different story. People are forty times more likely to make a purchase after receiving an email from a company than after seeing a social media post. This highlights the power of direct communication. Email marketing allows businesses to connect with their audience personally, fostering engagement and driving sales in a way that social media often can't. Unlike the ever-shifting algorithms of social media platforms, email provides a stable, owned channel for nurturing leads and ensuring consistent outreach to an audience that has already expressed interest in the brand. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you face a lot of skepticism from clients who have been disappointed by agencies before? How do you go about gaining their trust? After seven years running his agency, today's featured guest still lists that mistrust as one of his primary challenges and talks about his strategic approach to overcoming this hurdle: combining client education with precise problem identification to deliver time-saving solutions that truly impact their businesses. This approach not only helps rebuild trust damaged by previous agency experiences but also positions marketing as a genuine catalyst for business growth. Join us as we explore how agencies can move beyond surface-level marketing solutions to become trusted partners in their clients' success stories. James Loomstein is the managing partner of Rogue Marketing, a digital agency based in Dallas that serves mostly mid-market B2B companies across various sectors. They are business builders committed to solving client problems, whether it's entering a new market, seeking acquisition, or launching new products. James reflects on his journey into the marketing world and the biggest challenges he faced while building his agency. In this episode, we'll discuss: Rebuilding trust and overcoming skepticism. The secret to agency longevity. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. A Winding Path into the Digital Agency Industry James began his career journey in the early 2000s with a clear goal: to work in marketing. Initially starting in consulting, he found the path to marketing restricted, with an MBA in marketing and strategy as one of the few avenues available. During his studies, he noticed his classmates worked at companies like Kimberly Clarke and American Airlines, which have them a significant advantage and positioned them for immediate brand management roles upon graduation. James realized early on that the way into the agency world was to start his own agency. However, he still needed the experience so he interned at a big company and after graduation he started to work at Omnicom as a business analyst. Over the years, he worked at different companies and startups. During the economic downturn of 2008, frustrated with job instability and slow career advancement, James established Digital Space. Over the next four years, he refined his business model, carefully selecting clients and defining his service scope. Eventually, he ended up working for the company where he met his future partner Chip. Once both he and Chip resigned two years later, their collaboration seemed natural. Chip's agency, Rogue, and James's Digital Space frequently worked together, leading to their official merger in 2016. This partnership marked the beginning of a successful joint venture that continues to thrive. Rebuilding Client Trust and Overcoming Skepticism Seven years post-merger, James identifies two major challenges they've faced in their growth journey. First, he's learned that accepting unsuitable projects benefits only the client or hired freelancer, never the agency. While difficult to implement, this selective approach has become crucial to maintaining the agency's integrity and fostering meaningful client relationships. Second, he's had to face the challenge of the damaged reputation agencies sometimes have among mid-market companies. Having been disappointed by previous agency experiences, these clients often approach marketing services with skepticism. James frequently finds himself rehabilitating the industry's image while diving deeper to uncover the true nature of clients' challenges. Often, what is labeled as a "marketing problem" may actually stem from underlying issues within a company's operational framework. Agencies must strive to understand the specific challenges their clients face and tailor their strategies accordingly. It is the way to create tangible value and measurable results for their clients. James attributes these agency failures to the low barriers to entry the marketing industry where anyone can claim expertise in marketing with minimal experience. He strongly advocates for aspiring agency owners to gain corporate or agency experience before launching their ventures, arguing that understanding business fundamentals is crucial for success with mid-market clients. Without this foundation, agencies risk failing both themselves and their clients. The Secret to Agency Longevity For James, new agencies should start by mastering a specific, well-defined service that delivers clear value to clients. What is something you can take off their plate? What is an area with a specific outcome to achieve? It might start with something very small but if you do it well you'll not only solve a problem, you'll also build trust, have a story to tell, and find a way to move forward. Additionally, don't just look to solve the client's problem. Ask yourself whether or not you're saving them time. If you're solving problems but clients are constantly telling you what to do, then you're replaceable. People will always trade time for convenience so it's to your advantage to do what you can to take the pressure off the client. For emerging agency owners, James outlines three essential steps: define your target audience identify their core problem establish clear performance metrics. If potential clients can't articulate their success metrics, they're likely not an ideal fit. Clear expectations and accountability from the start build the foundation for lasting partnerships. This focus on measurable results has led James' agency to move away from traditional retainer models, which often lead to diminishing client satisfaction over time. Instead, his agency has adopted a performance-based approach that emphasizes consistent value delivery throughout the relationship. This results-oriented strategy helps prevent client churn by maintaining clear accountability and demonstrating ongoing value. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you leveraging the power of podcasting to grow your agency? Whether through guest appearances on industry shows or hosting your own podcast, this medium offers unique opportunities to showcase expertise and connect with potential clients. However, while appearing on established podcasts can help spread your message, creating your own show ultimately provides greater control over brand messaging and client conversion. For marketing agencies, podcasting has become an essential marketing tool that can drive significant conversions. Today's featured guest, a podcast expert, specializes in helping clients navigate the complex balance between audience value and revenue generation. She tackles crucial questions many business owners face in their podcasting journey: optimal timing for monetization, strategies for brand partnerships, and most importantly, maintaining focus on audience benefit. Her insights reveal how to build a podcast that not only generates revenue but also provides lasting value to listeners. Traci DeForge is the founder and CEO of Produce Your Podcast, an award-winning podcast and marketing agency that is well-known for helping clients leverage their podcasts for revenue growth. She discusses the significant role podcasts play in driving revenue for business owners and consultants and shares her insights on best practices for pitching to get on podcasts, tips for being an effective podcast guest, and why the best call to action is leading people back to your own podcast. In this episode, we'll discuss: The easiest way to be a great podcast guest. The importance of storytelling to capture your podcast audience. AI-generated podcast content and it's limitations. How to re-energize a stale podcast. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Smart Pricing Table: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Smart Pricing Table, an award-winning proposal software built just for marketing agencies and designed to handle your unique challenges and cut down the time you spend on proposal as much as 90%. Go to smartpricingtable.com/smartagency to see if this is the missing piece your agency needs. Schedule a demo and get 50% OFF for the first two months. Don't Be That Guest: Listen First, Pitch Later As a professional who helps clients maximize their podcast opportunities, Traci emphasizes that while podcasts can be powerful platforms for business owners to share expertise and promote their ventures, success requires a strategic approach. The most critical step before pitching yourself as a guest, she insists, is to actually listen to the show you're targeting. Nothing frustrates podcast hosts more than receiving pitches from people who clearly haven't invested time in understanding their show or audience. A potential guest can immediately stand out simply by demonstrating familiarity with the podcast's format, tone, listener base in their outreach, and more importantly, what value they can bring to that audience. Each show has its unique style and requirements, making a one-size-fits-all approach ineffective. The rise of AI-generated mass outreach has only heightened the importance of personalization. Many people send automated messages with text easily identified as something drafted by AI to be sent to maybe hundreds of people. A personalized approach reflects genuine interest and sets you apart from the countless generic pitches that inundate podcast hosts daily while also establishing rapport. This initial investment of time and effort significantly increases your chances of securing a guest spot and creating valuable content for the show's audience. Tips to Prepare to Be a Great Podcast Guest Once you get in and are set to be a podcast guest, there are ways you can ensure you'll be a great guest who provides great value to the show while making sure you also drive business. First, you want to be prepared for how a host usually runs their show. Ideally, Traci recommends you listen to a few episodes so you'll be familiar with the most important questions they ask and be prepared to answer in a thoughtful way. At the same time, you want to make sure you can come across to the audience as someone who is sharing relevant information about yourself and your business without it becoming an entire infomercial about your business. In this regard, Traci also mentions the importance of having a good call to action. Don't list fifteen different ways people can get in touch with you, but rather one specific request that enables you to continue the conversation with your audience after they've consumed the podcast. Ideally, send people to listen to your own podcast, since there's no better way to grow a show than appearing as a guest on other shows and being exposed to an audience who's already consuming podcast content similar to what you share. Using Storytelling to Captivate Your Podcast Audience As a podcast guest, another good way to get the audience interested in what you do is to sprinkle some relevant stories throughout the conversation in a way that's not staged or phony. People like to hear stories, and if they're success stories this steps up a way for you to connect with someone's pain points or aspirations. This is something that will also greatly help you as a podcast host. At its core, podcasting is about storytelling. Listeners are drawn to narratives that evoke emotions, inspire, and offer relatable experiences. The ability to weave personal stories into discussions creates a sense of intimacy and relatability. Even if you don't consider yourself a natural storyteller, the key is to identify a few authentic stories that you feel comfortable sharing. This approach fosters a genuine connection with listeners who may be grappling with similar pain points or aspirations. When a host shares a success story, it not only provides hope but also establishes credibility, allowing listeners to envision themselves achieving similar outcomes. Why AI-Generated Content Can't Replace Authentic Podcasting Nowadays with AI it's possible for someone to just save a couple of interesting articles about a certain topic, have an AI read it while replicating their voice and tone, and then post it as a podcast episodes after adding their intro and outro music. That's how far the technology has come. However, Traci warns that although these tactics to get episodes out quickly with the least amount of effort can get you into the top of the funnel it'll never replace the trust you build by having an authentic conversation with a guest. Listeners crave authenticity, and the fear remains that reliance on AI-generated content could lead to a robotic and impersonal experience. The podcasting community thrives on the unique perspectives and experiences that individuals bring, and it is this authenticity that sets successful podcasts apart. The ability to engage in sincere conversations about your expertise and passion creates an environment where listeners can truly understand what it would be like to work with you. Unlike written blog posts or advertisements, a podcast allows for a more nuanced and dynamic exchange of ideas. The natural energy of a host's voice, along with their unique inflections and pauses, conveys emotions that text alone cannot replicate. This authenticity becomes a powerful vehicle for connection, enabling listeners to feel as if they are part of a shared journey. How to Reenergize Your Podcast As more creators enter the space, the challenge of standing out and reaching new audiences has intensified. The podcasting world is no longer just about producing quality content; it's equally about ensuring that content is accessible and easily found by potential listeners. This is why if you feel your show is in need of a boost Traci recommends digging into the discoverability, which refers to how easily listeners can find your podcast. As a creator, you must consider how your content appears in search results and how it can be promoted across various platforms. The key elements which affects your podcast's appearance to new listeners goes from simple elements like its name and accompanying description, to how you're utilizing podcast platforms. One of the first steps in enhancing discoverability is conducting a thorough podcast audit. A well-rounded audit should spend a significant amount of time analyzing the state of the podcast, including its format, production value, and how potential listeners are searching for content similar to what the podcast offers. This perspective shift can illuminate gaps in the podcast's visibility and provide a roadmap for improvement. Once you've optimized your content, you could turn to surveying your audience to ensure the content you're putting out is the content they're interested in listening to. You can also look at the way you're putting out that content, paying attention to aspects like whether you should prioritize short-form content over long-form content and what are you doing on each side to convert listeners to the other. Can Small Creators Monetize Their Show? The short answer is, yes. The question of when to monetize a podcast often creates anxiety among creators, particularly those with smaller audiences. However, Traci challenges the common assumption that successful monetization requires massive download numbers. Instead, she emphasizes the importance of strategic planning from the outset – understanding your content direction and identifying potential brand partnerships that align with your message. The power of podcasting as a marketing tool is backed by compelling data: 73% of podcast listeners take action based on their favorite hosts' recommendations. This remarkable statistic highlights both the significant influence podcasters wield and their responsibility to their audience. Understanding this impact should guide creators to prioritize meaningful, high-quality content while strategically integrating promotional elements in ways that feel natural and valuable to listeners. Traci's experience has shown that successful monetization is possible even for podcasts with seemingly limiting factors, such as niche subjects or geographic restrictions. She's witnessed effective pre-launch monetization strategies and profitable small podcasts, proving that audience size isn't the only path to success. The key lies in developing a comprehensive strategy that addresses both audience growth and monetization opportunities. In her view, the only real limitations are those imposed by outdated thinking about what makes a podcast commercially viable. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Would your agency be ready for an unexpected acquisition opportunity? Could you make it work if the time and offer were right? One boutique agency owner faced this question when an unexpected offer transformed her lifestyle business into an acquisition prospect. Though she and her partner had no immediate plans to sell, they recognized the potential and methodically prepared for a successful transition. Learn about their experiences finding their niche in the industry, preparing for acquisition, their ‘no regrets' attitude regarding the sale, and the reason why they approached negotiations with a thoughtful mindset that would benefit everyone involved. Kelsey Dixon is the co-founder of Davies and Dixon, an organic social media agency based in Seattle. She shares her journey into entrepreneurship, highlighting the transition from the events and hospitality industry to digital marketing, the way her agency's niche organically changed as she and her partner found the right audience, and more recently, her agency's acquisition process, including why she chose to lead negotiations with kindness and their successful earn-out story. In this episode, we'll discuss: Going from full service to finding focus. An unexpected opportunity to sell. Negotiating with kindness and thoughtfulness to ensure future success. How to negotiate an earn-out. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Accidental Agency: When Adaptability Meets Opportunity Kelsey never saw herself as an entrepreneur and had no plans of starting her own business. a chance meeting during an internship in New York would change her career trajectory. There, she met Mackenzie, a fellow intern who years later, would convince her to move to Seattle and start a business with her. As an agency owner, Kelsey found there were new surprises around the corner every quarter and every year. At age 24, she started out with no idea what she was doing; everything seemed new and unexpected. However, she believes this worked to her benefit since she approached the experience with naiveté and willingness to learn. With Kelsey's background in hospitality and travel, and Mackenzie's expertise in digital marketing, the two women initially planned to build an agency serving the hospitality sector. However, upon arriving in Seattle, they faced the significant challenge without a network in their new city. Their proactive networking efforts unexpectedly led them deeper into the local tech industry, naturally evolving their agency's focus and creating a new niche that differed from their original vision. Finding Focus: From Doing It All to Intentional Hiring In their early days, Kelsey and Mackenzie approached client acquisition with an eager, full-service mindset, taking on everything from PR to organic social media and branding. While they managed these diverse projects through talented contractors, Kelsey now realizes their determination to win clients' trust sometimes led them into areas beyond their expertise. As their agency evolved, they naturally discovered their true strengths through client feedback and successful outcomes. The organic process of finding their niche allowed them to recognize and pursue opportunities where their work could truly stand out. For eight years, both partners remained deeply involved in every aspect of the business, from client work to day-to-day operations. The preparation for acquisition marked a significant turning point, prompting them to narrow their roles as founders and delegate responsibilities. Though both partners initially struggled with the emotional challenge of stepping back from daily operations, their strategic approach to hiring made the transition successful. They built a team of talented individuals who often exceeded their own expertise in specific areas. This decision proved transformative – by placing trust in their capable team and focusing on their own areas of expertise, they not only improved the quality of work but also created a more efficient organization. Embracing the Opportunity to Sell Their Agency Selling the agency was not initially part of Kelsey's overall vision, at least not at the eight-year mark. However, a buyer agency reached out with an interest in acquiring Davies and Dixon, which prompted a thorough evaluation of their current circumstances and future aspirations. With two co-founders, Kelsey admits it's difficult to get on the same page in any decision. They were at a crossroads, having invested nearly eight years into building their agency so they laid out the pathways and concluded that, although they were looking for an exit along the ten-year mark, they could push to be ready before that. It was 2021, they were coming out of a tumultuous year with the pandemic and had lost key team members to offers they couldn't match as a small boutique business. Faced with burnout and the strain of navigating an unpredictable economy, they weighed the potential benefits of pursuing the acquisition against the option of pushing through to a planned exit around the ten-year mark. As they explored the acquisition, they concluded the move would align with their overarching goal of supporting their lifestyle while also presenting solutions to the challenges they faced. The integration promised enhanced opportunities for their team, addressed immediate concerns, and positioned the agency for long-term success within a larger framework. So they decided to embrace the opportunity. Maintaining a “No Regrets” Mindset About an Agency Sale The decision to sell their agency came at a pivotal moment. Unlike many agency owners who accept acquisition offers out of exhaustion or overwhelming pressure, Kelsey and her partner approached the opportunity strategically. While the loss of key team members influenced their timing, the decision wasn't made in haste. It was grounded in careful data analysis and thoughtful consideration of future opportunities. Looking back, Kelsey believes there wasn't truly a wrong choice to make, as both paths – selling or continuing independently – offered potential for success. She maintains a strong belief in trusting her gut, embracing a no-regrets mindset that has consistently served her well throughout her career. The acquisition proved to validate their decision-making process: the integration proceeded smoothly, their team found new growth opportunities, and their clients received enhanced services. Lead Negotiations with Kindness to Create the Foundation for Success Kelsey's acquisition deal had an ‘acqui-hire' portion, which means Kelsey and her partner would continue to serve in leadership for two years following the purchase to be a key element in the integration process and in helping scale the agency. According to Kelsey, this changed the negotiation process a bit since she had to consider that she'd be working with the acquirer for some time once a deal was reached. For her, this unique scenario required a thoughtful approach to negotiation where she led with kindness and thoughtfulness, keeping in mind the future success of the agency—and the well-being of its employees—depended on the relationship established during the negotiation process. However, this doesn't mean she said yes to the first offer, they just negotiated with the greater good in mind. They negotiated not only for their own interests but also for the cultural values and benefits that defined their agency. By advocating for policies that prioritized employee welfare—such as PTO policies, work-from-anywhere options, and signing bonuses—they ensured that their team members would continue to thrive in the new environment. By treating the negotiation process with respect and integrity, recognizing that their legacy would be tied to the success of the agency they were joining, Kelsey and her partner were able to create a foundation for success that would extend far beyond the immediate financial implications of the deal. Walking a Fine Line to Negotiate Earn-Out Terms Carefully Kelsey's acquisition deal did include an earn-out, which thankfully they were able to meet after a successful first-year integration. In their case, they decided to maintain open communication with both their team and clients during the earn-out process, which contributed to an impressive retention rate post-acquisition. By fostering trust and transparency, they were able to ease the transition and ensure that clients felt secure in their ongoing relationships with the agency. However, while earn-outs can provide a financial incentive for sellers to ensure the success of the acquired business post-sale, poorly structured earn-out terms can lead to frustration, financial loss, and strained relationships between the parties involved. To avoid this scenario, secure control over client relationships and business operations until the earn-out conditions are met. This involves negotiating terms that keep the acquisition confidential until the seller has fully transitioned and received the agreed-upon compensation. By maintaining control, sellers can ensure that their clients remain engaged and satisfied, which is crucial for achieving the performance metrics tied to the earn-out. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you struggle to write proposals? Do you know the 2 keys to winning more clients in the proposal stage? Mastering the art of creating fast, high-quality proposals remains crucial for agency growth. The best way to guarantee your proposal has a chance to stand out from competitors is to ensure speed and accuracy. That is why our featured guest is sharing how he went from owning an agency to creating the tool for overcoming proposal anxiety. He spent years thinking about ways to turn what was often the worst part of the job for him into an easier and more enjoyable process and eventually launched a software that does just that. Learn more about Joe's entrepreneurial journey and insights into the agency world. Joe Ardeeser is a former agency owner and entrepreneur who ran a web design shop and high-end WordPress shop for twelve years. He shares his journey from agency owner to launching his latest venture, Smart Pricing Table. Joe discusses his early experiences in the agency business, highlighting his desire for independence and the challenges he faced, including developing RSI and chronic back pain, which led him to hire his first employees out of necessity. He reflects on the things that took away from his agency's growth and the way to keep improving your proposals until you're yielding the expected results. In this episode, we'll discuss: 2 keys to drafting a successful proposal. Learning from past mistakes to continuously improve your proposals. The solution to overcome proposal anxiety. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio When Setbacks Become Stepping Stones in Agency Growth Joe's story begins with a common entrepreneurial struggle: the desire for independence. Truth be told, he didn't like having a boss. After working in a corporate environment that stifled his creativity and autonomy, Joe ventured into freelancing. However, an unexpected challenge arose when he developed an injury that hindered his ability to perform tasks like typing. This setback, rather than derailing his ambition, became the catalyst for hiring. Enlisting help helped Joe realize that delegating tasks could free him to focus on higher-level strategic thinking. The first time he realized the critical role played by that initial hire was during a simple errand. Upon his return, he realized his employee kept everything running smoothly in his absence. He was hooked. The experience highlighted the power of collaboration and the importance of building a team that could share the workload. As his agency grew, each strategic hire—from developers and designers to a pivotal sales manager—freed Joe to focus on broader business strategy. The decision to hire a salesperson, though questioned by some who thought the agency was too small, proved particularly transformative. By delegating the pressure of closing deals, Joe could finally step away from the day-to-day stress of revenue generation. Little by little his hires and careful delegation led to the big day when a client was onboarded without his input at any level and not even knowing the client prior to that moment. It was the moment he knew he had transitioned from an owner to a CEO. 2 Keys of a Successful Proposal: Speed and Precision As for so many agencies, Joe recognizes lead generation as a significant pain point for him. Luckily, the agency got tons of leads from Clutch back in the beginning. Still, they did a lot of one-time work and hadn't cracked the code on landing retainers. #1 - Speed Back then, Joe hated writing proposals, because of the urgency that came with it. In his experience, every day that went by meant the odds of getting picked went slimmed. In his experience, clients often go with the first-engaged vendor. By reaching out immediately, an agency demonstrates its commitment and also capitalizes on the momentum of the prospect's interest. #2 - Accuracy Secondly, the proposal, scope, and expectations must be accurate. If not, the project could blow up post-sale and become a nightmare. These two proposal conditions, it having to be ready quickly but also be high-quality, are two elements that come together to create what Joe calls “proposal anxiety” which is one of the bigger stressors in agency life. Your proposal should be detailed to avoid painful mistakes like greatly underestimating the time and resources you'll be investing on that project. According to Joe, it should be detailed enough to provide “handles to grab onto” without being obnoxious. Vagueness will lead to situations where all your resources keep getting sucked into that project without the proper limits to stop at a certain point. Why You Should Record All Issues with Previous Proposals to Yield Better Results Ideally, agency owners should keep a repository of all the learnings from previous projects. Record all the issues you've ran into that could've been avoided by clearing it up in the proposal. In this sense, Joe recommends having reusable items that can be improved over time as you test through agency work. Many things might change in these documents as you get better and better but Joe makes two main recommendations for making successful proposal drafts: Make it visually appealing. Even if you are making very detailed proposals, don't underestimate the importance of the layout. If it basically looks like a wall of text the prospect will be overwhelmed and be less likely to read it, and that will inevitably lead to expectation issues. Lay out your proposal so it is digestible by creating bullet points as visual clear representation of the work included, limitations, and upsales available. Define the “Spirit of the work”. Joe particularly recommends taking to the time to define this as something you can always come back to if you feel the scope of the project is getting out of hand. As you continue to test and improve upon this document it will become a proposal that'll help you yield the expected results. The Solution to Proposal Anxiety Joe became obsessed with the idea of creating a more structured and efficient approach to proposals to streamline and agency's proposal processes. His goal was turning what is often the worst part of the job into something actually enjoyable. With this mission in mind, three years ago he took his vision to the market in the form of Smart Pricing Table, a proposal software built for marketing agencies. As someone who ran an agency for many years, Joe knows his software offers the type of features agencies want and can provide the structure to provide quick and accurate proposals. By focusing on the needs of agencies and incorporating feedback from users, the software has evolved to meet the changing demands of the industry. This adaptability is vital, as it allows agencies to continuously refine their proposal processes and stay ahead of the competition. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What are your goals for your agency this new year? Which new heights are you hoping to reach and what needs to change in order for you to get there? As we step into a new year, agency owners start setting ambitious targets. But achieving these goals requires more than just wishful thinking—it demands a clear understanding of three critical elements: where you want to go, who you need on your team to get there, and perhaps most importantly, how you need to evolve as a leader. Today, we're joined by a special guest who has witnessed countless agency journeys firsthand. As a key member of the Jason Swenk team, she's become a trusted companion to our mastermind members, guiding them through their growth challenges and celebrating their victories. Her unique perspective comes from years of observing what makes agencies thrive, understanding their common hurdles, and helping create environments where both businesses and people flourish. Tune in for an engaging conversation about teamwork, growth, and the importance of a community that can help you evolve as a leader. Stacey Green is the Director of Happiness for the Jason Swenk and Agency Mastery team. After ten years working side to side with Jason, she's on the show for the first time to share the insights into her unique role, which encompasses client success, event planning, and keeping the team organized amidst the chaos. As she celebrates her 10-year anniversary with the team, Stacey reflects on the evolution of her position and talks about some of the changes she's seen over the years. Listeners will gain a behind-the-scenes look at how she ensures the smooth operation of the podcast and the agency's mastermind calls. In this episode, we'll discuss: 10 years of shaping agency success. Identifying your agency domino. The mastermind advantage.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. How a Director of Happiness Shapes Agency Success As Director of Happiness at the Agency Mastery and Jason Swenk Team, Stacey has spent the last decade wearing many hats. This unique title, crafted collaboratively with Jason, encompasses everything from ensuring client success and orchestrating events to keeping Jason focused :) Through her regular interactions with mastermind members, Stacey has gained a profound insight into the agency landscape: while the industry constantly evolves, the fundamental challenges agency owners face—and their approaches to solving them—remain remarkably consistent. The industry, however, is rather mercurial in its constant change and only those willing to adapt will thrive. The mastermind program itself reflects this philosophy of adaptation. When Stacey first joined, the membership process was simply transactional—pay the fee and you're in. However, experience taught us that cultural fit is crucial for the community's success. This realization led to the development of a more sophisticated vetting process, ensuring new members align with the group's goals, ethics, and lifestyle values. The result has been the creation of a more cohesive and effective community of agency owners who truly support each other's growth. The Agency Domino: Identifying Your Agency's Critical Success Factor Towards the end of the year, Jason challenged his mastermind members to identify their critical "domino"—that singular element that, when properly aligned, sets everything else in motion for their agency's success. This exercise isn't just theoretical; it's born from real-world experience, as Jason and his team face many of the same challenges they help other agencies overcome. Take marketing talent, for instance. Over the past two years, the team has struggled with finding and retaining the right marketing person, cycling through several mismatched hires. Yet this challenge has offered valuable lessons, helping Jason and Stacey better understand the essential qualities they need in their ideal candidate. As we enter the new year, agency owners should approach their goal-setting with three crucial questions: Where do you want your agency to go? Who do you need to hire to get there? And perhaps most importantly, who do you need to become as a leader? This final question is critical because an agency can only grow as far as its leader's capabilities. Personal growth isn't just beneficial—it's essential for pushing your agency to new heights. The Mastermind Advantage: Accelerating Agency Growth Through Collective Wisdom While one-on-one coaching can be valuable, many business owners eventually hit a ceiling in their growth—a point where individual guidance no longer provides the momentum needed to reach new heights. This is why Jason shifted away from traditional one-on-one coaching toward the more dynamic approach of mastermind groups. Unlike the linear relationship between coach and client, masterminds create an ecosystem of shared experiences and diverse perspectives. Agency owners learn not just from a single mentor, but from peers who are actively tackling similar challenges from different angles. This multiplicity of viewpoints often reveals solutions and opportunities that might never surface in traditional coaching. As we enter the new year, consider how you're approaching your agency's growth. If past coaching experiences haven't delivered the results you sought, a mastermind group might offer the fresh perspective you need. As Stacey emphasizes, what brought your agency to its current level won't necessarily propel it to the next. Sometimes, the key to breaking through plateaus lies in embracing new approaches to learning and growth. Success in the agency landscape demands constant evolution and the willingness to learn from others. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What is the one key thing that is holding you back from know your agency's value? For many it's having the financial literacy necessary to build an agency worth buying. Today's featured guest learned that financial literacy can make or break an exit strategy. Despite his early start in business and formal education, it was the guidance of an outsourced CFO that truly transformed his understanding of business finances. This knowledge proved invaluable years later during acquisition negotiations and his successful exit. From his teenage ventures in website development to building a thriving digital agency, and ultimately, to negotiating a successful exit on his own terms, join us as we explore the beginnings his agency and essential lessons on the importance of financial literacy, knowing your worth, and preparing for life after the sale. Brian Rodriguez is the founder of Gatorworks, a digital marketing partner that helps clients reach their goals and keep them informed. He recounts how he stumbled into agency ownership while in high school in 2001, a time when many businesses lacked an online presence. Brian discusses balancing his agency while pursuing his business degree, how hiring an outsourced CFO completely transformed his understanding of how to run a business, and how knowing his agency's value helped him negotiate a favorable exit deal. In this episode, we'll discuss: Boosting confidence and clarity by understanding the numbers. Negotiating a successful strategic exit by knowing your agency's value. Why knowing when to let go is important in a successful exit. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Agency Owner Training: If running your agency is leaving you feeling isolated and trapped, it's time to get a little FREE help to take back control. That is why we are offering free resources HERE at agencymastery360.com/training. You will find free courses on generating more leads and converting more clients. No strings attached, just a few helpful resources get you out of the weeds and back to growing your agency. Boosting Confidence and Clarity by Understanding the Numbers Brian started his agency as a high school student back in 2001, when he was just a kid experimenting with new technologies. Though he soon found clients and started to charge $200 for building a website, he quickly realized his strengths lay not in design or development, but in the business aspects of the work. Hence, he started recruiting freelancers to handle the technical work while he focused on client acquisition. Throughout college, Brian continued running his fledgling agency, applying his business studies to strengthen its foundation. After graduation, with youth on his side and nothing to lose, he decided to dedicate himself fully to growing the business. Yet success didn't come overnight – it took five years before he started seeing meaningful momentum. The early years proved challenging, marked by financial struggles and an evolving business model. This changed in 2011 when he hired an outsourced CFO, a decision that marked a turning point in his understanding of the financial dimensions of his business. During their first four-hour session together, Brian gained crucial insights into his agency's financial workings that transformed his perspective as a business owner. This newfound financial clarity not only boosted his confidence but also provided him with a clearer vision for his agency's future direction. Pivoting to Stability by Changing Projects to Predictable Revenue Brian's monthly meetings with his CFO became a cornerstone of his professional development, transforming his approach to business management. Through these sessions, he developed a deep understanding of crucial KPIs: top-line revenue, cost of goods sold, gross profit, overhead expenses, and net income. This knowledge enabled him to set concrete financial targets, including a 50% gross margin and 15% net margin, shifting his focus from simple revenue growth to sustainable profitability. During this period of financial enlightenment, Brian also recognized a fundamental challenge in his business model: the instability of project-based work. This realization prompted a strategic pivot to SEO and Google Ads services that would provide the predictable revenue streams necessary for stable, long-term growth. This way, slowly evolved to an entire suite of digital marketing services that ended up being a game changer for his agency. How Financial Literacy Led to a Successful Strategic Exit By 2016, Brian had built his agency into a thriving business generating nearly $1 million in revenue. With stable profits and predictable growth, he wasn't actively seeking to sell, after years of receiving offers that simply weren't the right fit. This changed once a respected local media company, owner of five radio stations and boasting a century-long legacy, made an unexpected approach. Brian approached the situation with cautious optimism. Despite the allure of a potential deal, he remained grounded, taking meetings with the mindset of learning rather than selling and viewing the process as an opportunity for growth rather than merely a transactional exchange. The company's representatives consistently aligned with his vision, supporting his desire to maintain his brand identity, retain his team, and preserve his autonomy in steering the agency's future. However, when negotiations began in earnest, their initial offers failed to meet his expectations. After eight months of back-and-forth, the breakthrough came when they asked Brian to specify his desired price range. Though initially hesitant about meeting his terms, they returned within two days ready to negotiate. The subsequent discussions led to a proposal that matched Brian's valuation. Brian's experience underscores the importance of financial literacy for entrepreneurs, whether you seek it through formal channels or mentorship. Had he not taken the time to understand his business's financials and what he deemed a fair valuation, he might have accepted an offer that did not reflect his hard work and dedication. Knowing When to Let Go is Just as Important as Knowing Your Value Seven years after selling his agency, Brian remains with the acquiring company – a rare outcome that extends well beyond his initial four-year employment contract. The acquisition process itself, while intense, proved surprisingly accommodating. During the 90-day due diligence period, the buyers demonstrated flexibility by considering not just financial metrics but also intangible assets like goodwill, ultimately strengthening the deal's value. After that, it took him a while to realize it was time to let go. For some time after the sale, he operated exactly as he would while still being the owner. It was only once the pandemic started that he realized there were things he could let go now that his role has changed post-sale. His experience offers valuable lessons for agency owners contemplating a sale. While having a clear valuation number is crucial for effective negotiations, equally important is defining your desired post-sale lifestyle. Whether you envision staying on as an employee-shareholder or pursuing an entirely new path, the key lies not just in securing a favorable deal, but in being prepared to adapt to your new role once the papers are signed. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training The Smart Agency Masterclass podcast reached new heights in 2024, delivering game-changing insights from entrepreneurs who transformed their challenges into triumphs. From battling impostor syndrome to scaling revenue and reclaiming personal freedom, our guests didn't just share their success stories—they offered a blueprint for agency owners walking the same path they once traveled. Industry titans like Guy Kawasaki and Gino Wickman brought their hard-earned wisdom to our listeners, creating moments that resonated deeply with our community. As we reflect on this remarkable year, I'm excited to share some of the most powerful conversations that shaped our 2024 season. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Matt Shields on Building Communities for Client Success For Matt, one of the best decisions he made when it came to building his client community was modeling it after an already successful group. In this case, they modeled Joe Kaplan's agency community, which they knew well having been through it. They loved the community, coaches, and mastermind and strived to build the same for real estate agents, a move that proved to be successful. By bringing clients together, providing coaching, and inviting experts, they aimed to foster a competitive environment that motivated them to excel and achieve success. However, he does admit to some missteps, most notably failing to set clear expectations for community members. The absence of clearly defined core values can lead to chaos and disarray and can result in a community that lacks cohesion, where individuals operate independently without regard for the collective goals. Matt set this right by setting community standards and clear core values, and giving members the option to say no once the standards were clear, which according to Matt only made them more likely to say yes in their eagerness to be part of a tribe. The competitive nature of realtors within the community sparked a desire to outperform each other, leading to increased effort, dedication, and ultimately, success. Furthermore, Matt emphasizes the role of a free Facebook group in building this community. He and his partner purchased an existing Facebook group within their niche, which had 8,000 realtors. This acquisition proved to be a valuable resource, as it provided a platform for interaction, engagement, and the opportunity to showcase their expertise. The free group served as a stepping stone for potential members to become part of the main paid community, as they were already familiar with the agency's values and offerings. Dimi Albers on Taking a $500M Agency to Global Markets Back in 2014, Dimi's agency made the pivotal decision to expand its services and target international clients. They wanted to transform from a design and tech-focused agency into a company that covers the customer's full digital journey. This strategy was considered relatively unique and presented an opportunity for growth. At the time, the agency had a very good reputation in The Netherlands and was valued at 15 million USD. Even with capital backing, they remained relatively conservative in investments. Dimi focused on establishing profitability for core revenue drivers within a tight 12-18 month timeframe. For Dimi, an agency is fundamentally a people business and requires making sound decisions consistently rather than betting on a few big moves. He has a client-first approach to expanding globally, and says niche or market domination is not as important as being client-focused. More than market leadership, he thinks it's about who you're servicing and whether or not you're helping them grow and save money. His agency methodically built its value proposition in the Dutch market first. From this solid foundation, they gradually expanded into Europe, the US, and ultimately APAC - advancing to new geographies only after careful evaluation of their capability strengths and each market's receptiveness. This thoughtful, capability-driven approach to global scaling enabled successful service expansions into new territories. Guy Kawasaki on Overcoming Self-Doubt and Finding the Hidden Benefit of Imposter Syndrome Thinking back on his career, Guy reflects on the things that held him back at times and finds that most people are held back by their mindset. You can have people in your life who don't believe in you and, as much as it sucks it's also a relatively easy thing to ignore as long as you believe in yourself. However, if you don't believe in yourself, then that's a real problem. In his experience, this kind of mentality can slow your progress, as it did for him back when he was writing his first book. Filled with self-doubt, he wondered if he had what it took to publish a book. Thankfully, he was able to overcome this by realizing that he didn't need external validation or permission to pursue his passion. It's a thinking he carries with him and advises anyone to adopt, whether they wish to write a book, make a movie, or try anything new. Doubts about one's capabilities often stem from imposter syndrome, a common feeling of inadequacy experienced in new or challenging situations. However, Guy asserts that imposter syndrome can signify awareness and humility, catalyzing growth, rather than a barrier to success. He contrasts this with entitlement syndrome, emphasizing that while imposter syndrome can be overcome and lead to personal development, entitlement is counterproductive to growth. Natalie Hogg on The Key to Building a Scalable Business As the head of a multimillion-dollar agency, does she have more freedom? “I did in the beginning,” she says. Now past that initial fun stage, boundaries mean making a conscious decision not to put her full self in the business and end up exhausted. Once you make the decision to take care of yourself to avoid burnout, who's going to be there to fill the gap? Finding the right people to fill that gap is crucial for that transition into more freedom. Sure, creating these jobs can end up initially impacting profitability, but it will no doubt help the business make more money down the line. For Natalie, trust is a cornerstone of a functional and high-performing team. She has been lucky to work with individuals she has known for years, which has helped her build a foundation of trust that enables her to delegate responsibilities more effectively and focus on strategic decision-making rather than getting bogged down in day-to-day operations. Moreover, when team members feel trusted, they are more likely to take ownership of their roles, leading to increased motivation and productivity. Still, many agency owners struggle to let go and let their team take over most tasks. Letting go and being very strict about your free time is all about building habits and creating rules for yourself. Just like you schedule your meetings, block some time in your schedule exclusively for your enjoyment. It'll help you enjoy your business that much more. Building a business that is scalable means building a business where you're not doing everything. You're just doing what you do best and keep learning and evolving to then bring that to the business. Gino Wickman Shares 3 Discoveries to Free Your True Self Some people think that growing and selling your business brings freedom. However, Gino presents a different perspective, advocating for three transformative insights that can help you unlock your authentic self while enhancing your energy, impact, and inner peace. Recognize and accept that being driven is part of an entrepreneur's DNA and wiring. Acknowledging this helps you navigate the ups and downs of that drive and recognize the impact it has on your mental, physical, and emotional well-being. All decisions are made out of love or fear. Understanding the motivations behind your actions will help you make more conscious choices that align with your true self rather than your ego. This awareness can help entrepreneurs break free from patterns of fear-based decision-making and move towards a place of love and authenticity. Know it is possible to be BOTH driven and have peace. This may seem contradictory at first, as many driven individuals equate drive with a constant state of hustle and striving. However, finding peace does not mean losing drive; in fact, it can enhance it. At this stage of his life, Gino has everything he'll ever need; nonetheless, he's more motivated than ever. By letting go of the need to constantly be in motion and finding a sense of inner calm, driven entrepreneurs can tap into a deeper source of motivation and creativity. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Do you shy away from cold calling for fear of rejection? Or, do you think cold calling is dead in the digital age? Today's guest runs an SEO agency that grew from a small project with four clients to a full-service agency. Discover how a focused cold-calling campaign landed him seventeen clients in his first month. In this episode, youl will also learn the reason he prioritizes culture fit over impressive resumes in his hiring process, why he believes relying on just one lead source is playing a dangerous game, and why he believes that open communication is the key to building trust with clients. Marc Brookland, the owner of SEO Locale, a full-service digital marketing agency specializing in search engine optimization. He shares his journey into the world of SEO and how much things have changed in that field, from focusing on repeating a keyword as much as possible or having more backlinks than the next guy to a complex and sophisticated process to improve your website traffic. He also discusses the challenges he's faced with hiring and ho open communication has shaped a trusting relationship with clients. In this episode, we'll discuss: Building his agency on cold calling success. Hiring for culture fit over skill set. Why open communication doesn't mean losing your agency's 'secret sauce' Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix, an intuitive way to design exceptional sites and a smart addition to your agency's toolkit. With this flexible tool, your team will be able to take on any project at any scale and focus on the work that matters the most. Check out wixstudio.com and break free from growth bottlenecks. Taking a Leap of Faith to Become an Entrepreneur When Marc landed his first SEO job, he discovered his true calling and began dreaming of running his own agency. It was there he met his future business partner, and together they started mapping out their entrepreneurial ambitions. Though passionate about SEO, Marc soon felt constrained by the role's narrow focus and yearned to expand his digital marketing expertise. He left that agency to go work in-house, where he finally got to challenge himself being a team of one in charge of social media, website management, and SEO. This was the test that convinced him that he could start his own business. He began taking on agency clients on the side, though still hesitant to fully embrace entrepreneurship, and accepted another in-house position. Fate intervened when his employer's pivot led to staff layoffs, presenting Marc with a choice: stay on as an employee or transition to a contractor role. Recognizing this as his opportunity to finally commit to his agency dreams, Marc chose the entrepreneurial path – and never looked back. Agency Success Built on Cold Calls Although it started as a small operation, Marc spent the first month as an agency owner cold calling businesses and was able to bring seventeen clients with this strategy. This campaign was undoubtedly a huge success thanks to his unwavering determination to connect with potential clients. Where many shy away from direct outreach due to fear of rejection, Marc embraced the challenge. It was also thanks to a methodical approach to identifying potential clients. By utilizing data scraping tools, he was able to target businesses that were likely to benefit from his services. Interestingly, Marc's experience highlights a common misconception about cold calling which is cold calling is an outdated or ineffective strategy in today's digital age. In his opinion, agency owners can't be afraid of sales because there's no way around it if you're starting your business from scratch. Although it's not something he's revisited after the agency took off, cold calling provided him an opportunity for direct interaction, fostering relationships that can lead to long-term partnerships because the ability to engage authentically with potential clients can set a business apart from its competitors. Nowadays, SEO is his agency's number one lead generator, followed by referrals and word of mouth. The skills he honed in those early days—effective communication, resilience in the face of rejection, and the ability to identify and address client needs—remain integral to the agency's operations. Hiring for Culture Over Skillset Hiring is one of the biggest challenges at Marc's agency at this point of their growth. He and his partner are trying to focus on hiring the right people. For them, this means hiring people who fit into the agency's culture. They're much more interested in this than in hiring people with an impressive resume. At the end of the day, skills can be taught, but intrinsic values and work ethic are often more difficult to instill and Marc is much more interested in finding individuals with a genuine drive and a willingness to learn, which is the sort of information you'll probably won't get in a resume. Rather than partnering with recruiting firms, Marc has built a successful hiring pipeline through Indeed, LinkedIn, and his extensive professional network. The majority of applications come through Indeed, where Marc and his team have honed their ability to identify promising candidates. However, with a large volume of applications it can be better to set your standards very early in the application process by only reviewing applications that comply with parameters expressed in the job posting. This way, you'll greatly reduce your workload by eliminating the candidates who not even bother to read the full description. How Open Communication Leads to Stronger Client Relationships To Marc, communication is an active process that involves educating clients about the work being done on their behalf and being consequent with this has shaped his agency's growth is his relationships with clients. The most common complaint raised against agencies is that clients feel in the dark regarding the work being done. This could stem from a fear of sharing too much of their process and then lose clients as they set off to do that work themselves. However, Marc has found that the more agencies communicate and educate clients the more they'll trust you as they feel more involved in the process. This involvement can take many forms, such as regular updates, detailed reports, or even educational sessions that explain the strategies being employed. When clients understand the rationale behind the work, they are more likely to appreciate the efforts being made on their behalf. Furthermore, many clients may not have a background in marketing or digital strategy, leading to confusion about the value of certain actions. By taking the time to explain these concepts in an accessible manner, agencies can empower clients with knowledge, making them feel more invested in the partnership. Don't be afraid to give some “secret sauce” by explaining and demystifying your processes. In the end, everyone's process is pretty much the same. Your real secret sauce is your people and how they treat the client and that's what you should protect. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.  

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you caught in the challenging "no-man's land" of agency ownership—where growth meets gridlock? Despite years of management experience, today's guest discovered that running a digital agency demanded more than strategic acumen alone. His journey reveals the often-overlooked complexities of agency leadership that can transform an owner's dream into an operational maze. Although he felt comfortable making the strategic decisions as a manager, as an owner he found himself pulled in countless directions. From juggling legal complications, financial decisions, and HR responsibilities—areas far removed from his core strengths and passion for marketing strategy. In the end, he recognized the only way through was setting up the right processes for the agency to grow without him and ultimate decided to sell. Tune in to learn about building a successful marketing agency and the principles that guide his approach to client service. Robert Royer is the Founder & President of Building Brands Marketing, a full-service marketing consulting agency based in Victoria, Texas. For over 17 years, Royer worked in leadership positions for companies across South Texas building hundreds of marketing strategies for small to large businesses and ultimately worked his way up to starting his own business. Building Brands Marketing has grown to over 25 employees in that time frame, seeing a rapid growth during the pandemic. Recently, he decided to sell and will talk all about what led to this decision. In this episode, we'll discuss: From acquisitions plan to a successful exit. Liberating yourself from agency ownership. Being aware of the personal costs of agency ownership.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Tearing Down One Business Plan and Pivoting to Another Robert started out selling newspaper ads looking for a way out of the restaurant industry. As newspapers pivoted to digital platforms, he found himself leading a digital agency. This experience provided invaluable insights and the confidence to eventually launch his own venture. In 2018, Building Brands Marketing was born, initially conceived as a lean, independent consulting agency focused on SEO and high-level strategic services. However, Robert quickly discovered the limitations of a solo operation. Within just two months, he was referring out critical services like video production and website design. The solo work also exposed significant challenges: he lacked direct control over quality and was burning out, working an unsustainable 80-90 hours per week. Finally, he tore down his initial business model and went the route of the more traditional ad agency he thought he'd left behind. Fortunately, his agency's unique location in South Texas—an area with limited competition—became a strategic advantage that amplified his growth potential. In fact, the agency quickly attracted people with just the skills he needed, which was key in catapulting his agency just as the pandemic started. From Acquisition Plans to a Successful Exit After years of strategic growth and careful positioning, Robert's entrepreneurial journey with Building Brands Marketing reached an unexpected but deliberate conclusion. Just seven years after launching, he made the strategic decision to sell the agency —a move driven by a profound understanding of his own strengths and limitations. Basically, Robert felt he was holding the agency back and being pulled in too many directions to do things outside his zone of genius. To him, continuing to do things that occupied too much of his time and kept him from focusing on what he does best in the business was leading him to plateau. It also just seemed like the right move considering the synergy between his team and their now parent company. It relations started out differently, with Robert and his partner looking at agencies to potentially acquire to grow the business. They wanted to scale and be able to focus on what they loved to do, which is the strategy and operational side of the business. The legal, finance, and HR isn't what they excelled at so they focused on preparing SOPs and systems to hand off that part of the business to someone else. The decision to sell was based on the synergy they shared with that company and the fact they're a major player at the national scale. It was a good match, with them bringing value with their expertise as a small business division. The sale not only provided financial rewards but also positioned the agency for continued success under new leadership. How to Liberate Yourself from Agency Ownership Why not just hire someone to take over those tasks?  It wasn't a simple matter of outsourcing tasks, but a nuanced reflection of the complex challenges facing agency owners at a critical growth stage. At the cusp of $2-3 million in annual revenue, Robert confronted a common entrepreneurial dilemma: the financial limitations of building a comprehensive in-house team. Fractional roles can be an interim solution but Robert saw significant drawbacks. Negative experiences led to exhaustive micromanagement, forcing him to constantly verify work quality. It all made him question whether it was possible to effectively bring those roles in-house. Additionally, as someone who ran other businesses, Robert doesn't feel the need to control every single detail. He just wants to do what he loves and understands it may take sacrificing some things to bring that to fruition As the agency grew, Robert found himself trapped in an increasingly unsustainable cycle. Despite managing more people and investing more hours, his financial returns remained stagnant, something that happens to many agency owners. At this stage, the business transforms from an exciting venture to a constraining operational burden. Sustainable growth requires more than hard work—it demands strategic delegation, systematic process development, and the ability to communicate a compelling vision. By selling to Rossman Media Group, Robert chose a path that would liberate him from operational complexities while ensuring the agency's continued potential. The Personal Cost of Building a Digital Agency The reality of growing an agency is fraught with challenges that demand significant sacrifices. From long hours to missed family moments, the path to success is paved with dedication, resilience, and a willingness to endure discomfort. Robert recalls working tirelessly without a single day off, sacrificing precious time with his young son and forgoing holidays. This commitment is not uncommon among agency owners, who often find themselves entrenched in their work, especially during the formative years of their businesses. To him, the initial hustle is essential; it lays the groundwork for future growth and stability. However, it also requires a level of sacrifice that many may not fully comprehend before embarking on this entrepreneurial journey. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you inadvertently holding your agency back? We are all guilty of it! Many agency owners eventually confront a challenging reality: they themselves are the primary bottleneck preventing their business from reaching its full potential. Today's featured agency owner has recognized this critical insight and is actively working to transform his approach. By strategically empowering his team and gradually delegating operational responsibilities, he is creating a pathway for the agency to expand beyond its current limitations. Hear an inspiring conversation about overcoming entrepreneurial challenges and unlocking an agency's true potential through intentional operational restructuring. Steve Phipps is the founder of Wayfind Marketing, an agency that works with service-based seasoned B2B companies focusing on mapping out clients' strategy, website, and content for sustainable growth and increased ROI. Steve discusses his journey into the world of digital marketing and shares the pivotal moment inspired him to launch his own agency in 2015. He emphasizes the importance of strategy in marketing, explaining how his initial offering has evolved into a full-service agency. Listeners will gain insights into how agency owners can prepare the grounds to delegate effectively and stop being the bottlenecks preventing agency growth. In this episode, we'll discuss: Getting out of your own way: breaking free from the founder's bottleneck. Leading with a clear vision to ensure your team's success. Empowering your sales team to make the process their own.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix, an intuitive way to design exceptional sites and a smart addition to your agency's toolkit. With this flexible tool, your team will be able to take on any project at any scale and focus on the work that matters the most. Check out wixstudio.com and break free from growth bottlenecks. Breaking Free from Founder's Bottleneck by Facing the Delegation Dilemma Steve's career took an unexpected turn in 2011 when he transitioned from a corporate digital marketing role to an agency position. His talent and dedication quickly propelled him to the position of VP, where he envisioned a long-term future. However, a sudden turn of events—the unexpected passing of the agency owner and finding himself in line to buy that business.— Although the deal fell through, Steve realized he was ready to step out on his own and launched Wayfine Marketing. With a strong focus on strategy, he tailored the agency's services to service-based B2B companies, helping them transform scattered marketing efforts into cohesive, lead-generating strategies. However, as the business grew, he encountered a familiar challenge: he became a bottleneck in his own processes. The strategy development process for clients became a significant source of strain. Despite having a capable team, Steve found himself deeply involved in the intricacies of creating strategy decks, often resorting to late-night work sessions to meet client demands. Recognizing the need for delegation, Steve is actively working to empower his team. He is committed to upskilling his team members, equipping them with the necessary tools and knowledge to handle strategic tasks. Hence, one of his current challenges is to rework the agency's processes and systems to where he's not involved in everything and can focus on the areas where he is strongest and rely on his team for everything else. Leading with Purpose: How A Clear Mission Drives Team Success One of Steve's primary goals is to equip his team with the ability to make informed decisions that align with the agency's overarching objectives. By fostering a shared understanding of the agency's mission and goals, he aims to create a culture of clarity and purpose.  When team members grasp the agency's "North Star," they are better positioned to evaluate opportunities and challenges critically. They can ask themselves: "Does this align with our mission?" and "Is this beneficial to our agency?" By encouraging these thought processes, leaders can ensure that everyone is working towards a common goal. A clear mission statement serves as a roadmap, guiding the agency's growth and providing team members with a sense of direction. When employees understand the agency's trajectory and their role within it, they are more likely to take ownership of their responsibilities, leading to increased accountability and initiative. The next step will be to record yourself doing a task you never want to do again. By documenting processes and sharing insights, leaders can create a repository of knowledge that becomes accessible to the entire team and fosters an environment where team members can learn from past experiences, both successes and failures, and apply those lessons to future challenges. 3 Steps to Train an Agency Salesperson for Success The level of alignment you'll need to build out your processes in a way that you can be sure the agency can run without you will require hiring integrators who can handle daily operations and management and are adept at managing processes and people. Success Stories. When it comes to preparing your sales team, start by sharing the stories they'll need to relate to clients and earn their trust. After decades of business ownership, agency owners commonly amass a wealth of knowledge and anecdotes that serve as valuable tools in client interactions. Separate those stories from your personal experience and start teaching them to your team as a way to gain the clients' trust while they gain experience and, little by little, start creating their own stories. Initial Calls. Once your team has a solid foundation of knowledge and skills, it's time to transition them into a more active role. Begin by training them to conduct initial client calls, providing them with a script and key talking points. Have them shadow you on these calls to observe your techniques and gain practical experience. Increase Autonomy. As they become more confident, allow them to take the lead on calls while you listen in. This approach provides an opportunity for real-time feedback and guidance. Continue this process throughout the entire sales cycle, gradually increasing their autonomy. Soon they'll be confident enough to sell with only bringing you in to add color, where needed. Remember, learning is often accompanied by mistakes. Encourage your team to embrace these setbacks as opportunities for growth. By reviewing recorded calls together, you can identify areas for improvement and provide constructive feedback. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Is your team leveraging AI beyond basic content creation? Did you know your sales process can be more efficient with the help of AI? While many agencies focus on AI's obvious applications, today's guest reveals a more innovative approach: using artificial intelligence to mine the wealth of unstructured data generated during sales interactions. By capturing and analyzing these often-overlooked conversations, his agency has discovered valuable insights that are transforming their sales process. In our fascinating discussion, we'll explore how AI is revolutionizing not just data analysis, but the entire advertising landscape. This interview is an in-depth conversation about the convergence of technology, community building, and cutting-edge marketing strategies. Andrew Eklund is the founder and CEO of Ciceron, a digital agency that excels at amplifying brands by creating bespoke audiences and activating them in the places they are. He shares insights from his journey in the digital landscape, starting from the dawn of the public internet and his early experiences with AOL. He discusses the evolution of his agency from his first clients to now specializing in applying advanced AI to audience segmentation and modeling, and shares what he predicts will and won't change about our current use of AI in advertising and sales. In this episode, we'll discuss: Turning sales conversations into strategic assets with AI. Why unlocking the capabilities of AI requires engagement. Harnessing AI for sales success. How AI could change advertising for good. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Educating Clients to Embrace New Technology Andrew's pioneering spirit led him to start his agency almost thirty years ago at the dawn of the public internet, back when a digital agency basically set up people's first email address and websites. Starting out when people still didn't know very much about the internet, Andrew often had to overcome skepticism about the viability of online business. His determination to prove that people would eventually embrace e-commerce, despite widespread hesitance to share credit card information online, led him to establish IndieSonic, one of the first independent music online portals. This venture not only validated his predictions but also provided a tangible example to clients of the digital marketplace's potential. Even with this willingness to engage clients in e-commerce during a time of skepticism, it took many years for most to start embracing it. During the dotcom crash, many predicted the internet's demise and a return to traditional business models. Yet ironically, this period coincided with the emergence of today's tech giants, who would ultimately transform the digital landscape forever. Turning Daily Sales Conversations into Strategic Assets Back in 2022, when ChatGPT 3.5 came out, Andrew gathered his team and explained that whatever the future with AI was, they had to be all in on it. To him this was without a doubt the direction things were headed as soon as the technology became available. He wanted his team to be prepared for a future where platforms like Google and Meta would have features to basically automate their jobs. Instead of rejecting that future, they should embrace it before clients did. Initially, his team used ChatGPT in the obvious ways, like creating the ad copy. However, it wasn't the most exciting way to use this technology. Andrew wanted to put it to work in areas where humans struggled so he focused on using it on the often-overlooked and unstructured data generated during human interactions, particularly in sales environments. When salespeople engage with clients, they gather valuable insights about customer perceptions, needs, and preferences—information that is rarely documented in formal data sets. This intellectual capital, if left unharvested, evaporates daily, representing a missed opportunity for organizations to refine their strategies and improve their offerings. Now Andrew's team has implemented a system known as the "intelligence hub," which serves as a central repository for various data sources, including recordings of sales calls. By utilizing AI to analyze these recordings, he can extract meaningful insights that inform sales training, marketing strategies, and product development and captures intellectual capital to transform it into actionable intelligence that drives business success. Why Experimentation is the Key to Unlocking the True Capabilities of AI Like many of these AI innovations ChatGPT seems to have gone down in quality over the past year. AI models are not static entities; they require active engagement and adaptation to deliver meaningful results and while it can process vast amounts of data, the quality of its output is heavily dependent on the input it receives and the manner in which queries are structured. Andrew's approach to these language models is to address them like he would any employee and letting them know they've failed at effectively answering a prompt, so it'll record that failure and provide better results next time. Moreover, his perspective on the integration of AI models is that there's no need to stick to just one when they each have varying capabilities. Models like Llama and Gemini offer superior integration with platforms like Google Drive, but may also lack essential features. Hence, businesses must remain agile, willing to explore different models and their functionalities to find the best fit for their specific needs. Don't shy away from experimenting with different setups and integrations, especially if you run a small or medium-sized business and don't have a deep IT infrastructure. Maintain an open mind towards the evolving capabilities of AI. Many users may dismiss a model based on a single poor experience, failing to recognize that AI technology is continually advancing. The technology will get better with time and, meanwhile, remember that longer, more nuanced prompts yield better results and experimentation is the key to unlocking the full potential of AI tools. Harnessing AI for Sales Success One area where not enough agency owners are using AI to improve their agency's performance is sales, where they can use AI insights to significantly enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of the sales processes. One of the primary advantages of utilizing AI in sales is its ability to analyze vast amounts of data to identify patterns and trends that human analysts might overlook. Sales managers can employ AI to examine recorded sales calls alongside performance metrics from CRM systems like Salesforce. This way, your team can analyze which calls led to conversions and which did not and sales leaders can gain insights into effective communication strategies and customer preferences. Moreover, AI can assist in filtering and analyzing leads more effectively so sales teams can prioritize their outreach to those with the highest likelihood of conversion, thereby improving overall efficiency. The Future of AI and Data Privacy Since the 1990s, when Andrew began helping businesses establish an online presence, he has encountered a common concern among clients - the fear of exposing sensitive information on the internet, where competitors could access and leverage it. However, as clients learned the importance of SEO and realized their lack of content was hindering website traffic, they became more willing to embrace digital marketing strategies. Looking ahead, Andrew foresees a future where AI models could replace traditional search engines. Instead of searching, consumers will rely on AI assistants that not only answer queries but also provide relevant context. As AI-driven insights become more prevalent, often informed by user-generated content rather than brand narratives, companies will have greater incentives to share their data with these models. Yet, Andrew cautions that not all information should be openly shared with AI. He advocates for the use of private AI platforms, where companies can download and apply open-source models like Llama to their internal networks. While this is not yet widespread, Andrew believes it represents the future of AI-driven business intelligence. Will People See Less Advertisement? In Andrew's opinion, people will continue to be bombarded by advertising for the time being. While advertising agencies must reach their audience, they should do so without being intrusive. He points to Instagram as a successful example, where users actually embrace advertising because of its relevance to their interests. The platform's ability to understand user preferences and recommend desired products has transformed it into a shopping destination, delivering real value to consumers. Looking ahead, Andrew predicts that over the next five years, AI will revolutionize the economics of advertising. This technology will enable more precise targeting at current cost levels, shifting the focus from broad, low-quality impressions to highly targeted advertising aimed at the individuals who matter. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Have you mastered the art of always obtaining the client's budget? Are you ready to elevate your pricing strategy and focus on quality over quantity? There are certain things that will only get easier with experience. Yet, all agency owners should be aware of how crucial it is to adapt your pricing model and client acquisition strategy to ensure long-term success. Today's featured guest started his agency in 1997 and has learned a lot about the milestones that changed his agency's growth path, the things that had to change along the way, and why continuous improvement and evolving capabilities are the best way to adapt to a changing market. Tune in to learn more about the challenges and triumphs of building a successful agency, the pricing strategies that have kept his agency afloat, how he is navigating a recent acquisition, and the improvements yet to be made to cement his agency's brand. James Pietruszynski is the CEO of SoulSight, a full-service brand design agency that collaborates with partners to deliver visionary work with a soulful approachability. With 27 years of experience, James shares insights into the evolution of his agency. He reflects on the milestones that have defined his growth journey, the lessons about understanding the value you bring to clients to grow beyond a certain point, what he's learned from a recent acquisition, and more. In this episode, we'll discuss: The factors that drove his agency acquisition. Strategies to create sustained agency success. Why you should be raising prices instead of taking on new clients. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Wix: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by Wix, an intuitive way to design exceptional sites and a smart addition to your agency's toolkit. With this flexible tool, your team will be able to take on any project at any scale and focus on the work that matters the most. Check out wixstudio.com and break free from growth bottlenecks. Continuous Improvement, Acquisitions, and Evolving Capabilities as the Pillars of Enduring Success Currently running an agency that is well over the eight-figure mark, James looks back on starting in 1997 and the many milestones that mark this journey, measured primarily through the caliber of clients and strength of brand relationships. One of their first big moments was winning major client Molson Coors, which marked their entry into the realm of Fortune 100 brands. This initial breakthrough catalyzed the agency's expansion as they continued to grow with a focus on client retention, with some client partnerships spanning two decades, a testament to their commitment to excellence. As a team, they set their long-term goals through a three-year planning process, where they anticipate potential challenges and identify opportunities for growth. They evaluate what they know and make predictable assumptions of what may happen and then focus on things that need to change and improve to be more efficient. At the heart of their continued success lies a commitment to evolution and adaptation. James regularly assesses internal capabilities and actively seeks opportunities for enhancement, whether through restructuring creative teams, streamlining operations, or pursuing strategic acquisitions. A recent example is their acquisition of a wellness-focused brand design agency—a strategic move that not only expands their service portfolio but also strengthens their ability to meet clients' changing needs. Chemistry and Retention as Factors Driving an Agency's Acquisition Strategy When acquiring another agency, always take the time to ensure that the values, mission, and vision of both organizations align. For James, chemistry and retention were the most important elements he looked for in an ideal partner, not only for a successful acquisition process but also to foster long-term relationships that drive sustainable growth. If this chemistry extends beyond just the leadership and through the entire organization, it will influence how teams interact and collaborate post-acquisition, ensuring a smoother transition and integration. As to the second element, Jim was looking for an agency demonstrating five to seven years of client retention. When it came time to negotiate the purchase, he favored an earn-out model, which has proven consistently effective in his experience. For the most part, he found that the agency partners and leadership team had no problem sticking around after the purchase to help grow the agency so he worked with the leadership team to structure a deal that included both upfront cash and performance-based incentives to ensure they remained motivated to grow the business. Although it's not for everyone, for James this model not only protects the acquiring agency's investment but also fosters a sense of shared purpose and commitment among the teams involved. It reinforces the idea that both parties have a stake in the ongoing success of the agency, thereby enhancing retention on both sides. Leaving Behind RFPs to Create Sustained Agency Success Although RFPs were more credible twenty years ago and their first big break with Molson Coors did come as the result of a well-put-together RFP, James believes currently most of their business comes organically through relationships. By this point in his agency's growth the team doesn't participate in many RFPs a year. Agencies nowadays dare to say no to most RFPs, which can serve as a jump-off point to sell a foot-in-the-door strategy and stand out from anybody that is just wasting time preparing that RFP. With this, you'll already be on their radar and they'll be much more likely to pay for your services again. On the other hand, he does acknowledge his agency could be a brand name by now had they focused more on their own marketing to build their reputation. As the work poured in, client work would always take priority, leaving them less and less time to even plan their own marketing strategy. The challenge of balancing client work with internal marketing efforts is a double-edged sword. Focusing on client needs is no doubt essential for immediate business success; however, neglecting self-promotion can create bottlenecks in growth and limit the agency's visibility in a competitive market. Jim is now more focused on putting a renewed effort into the agency's marketing, starting with its website. This will always be a challenge for agency owners but try to not fall into the trap of becoming so client-centric that they lose sight of their own brand identity. The Art of the Budget Conversation: How to Set Realistic Expectations Jim prefers to charge hourly rates, which in his view reflects a commitment to transparency and accountability in pricing. Hourly billing can provide clients with a clearer understanding of the time and resources invested in their projects, reinforcing the value delivered. However, it also necessitates that agencies effectively communicate the rationale behind their rates and the expected outcomes, so clients feel confident in their investment. Obtaining a clear understanding of the client's budget is a critical, yet often overlooked, part of the process. When agencies inquire about budgets upfront, they are frequently met with reluctance, which may stem from the client's desire to gauge the agency's pricing structure without revealing their own financial limitations. In these situations, ask for a budgetary range, even if the client is hesitant to provide specifics. This at least gives the agency a general sense of the client's spending intentions, allowing them to tailor their proposals accordingly. Start with the biggest number “Do you want to spend $1 milion? 100K? 10K?” Alternatively, present them a new option of buying a strategy session where you help them figure out their goals and gain more clarity. This way, you'll be positioning yourself as an authority with this foot-on-the-door and they'll be more likely to hire you once they've already established a client relationship. If they can't commit to do any of this then they might not be the best client for you, as they lack a basic understanding of what they're willing to invest on the project. Establishing a budgetary framework early on is essential for setting realistic expectations and ensuring that both the agency and the client are aligned in their goals. Strategies to Build a Sustainable Agency Business in a Post-Pandemic Landscape In the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic, James has faced the challenge of agencies lowballing their prices far below what they should be charging. This has at times cost his agency business opportunities, with clients citing his agency's prices as too expensive. However, James recognizes that the right clients will always be willing to pay for the value his agency provides. In fact, losing business because of price more often than not can be a sign that you're not properly explaining your process. Work on explaining the results and success you can help bring clients and you'll get them excited to pay your prices because they'll recognize the value you'll be bringing to their business. Along with the price increases, growing your agency will also lead to taking on fewer clients than you did in previous years. There's a misconception that agencies must double their client roster to achieve significant revenue increases. Instead, focus on acquiring fewer clients but at higher price points. You'll get to this point by concentrating your efforts on that your agency truly excels at to more effectively showcase your value. Other than that, he has been focusing on streamlining processes, making informed decisions quickly, and building strong relationships with clients who can be brand champions within client organizations. This way, agencies can gain insights into pricing thresholds and client expectations so they can better serve their clients while also justifying their pricing structures. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.