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Elite performance does not come from chasing more hacks. It comes from knowing what matters, cutting what does not, and executing when conditions are not perfect. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Andy Galpin to break down what separates truly high performers from everyone else. From toughness and self-talk to sleep, strength training, and resilience, Dr. Galpin explains why better performance starts with fewer distractions and better constraints. Here's what you'll learn: Why toughness means producing even when the conditions are working against you How to identify the real constraints holding back your energy, focus, and performance What it takes to build resilience through sleep, strength training, and smarter recovery Stop chasing every new protocol. The people who perform at the highest level focus on what actually moves the needle. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) What elite performers do differently (00:06:09) Mental toughness and self-talk (00:15:38) Why adaptability beats optimization (00:21:59) What resilience actually means (00:29:19) Why most people fail to improve (00:32:27) Strength training and longevity (00:44:16) Health trends and wasted effort ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Andy Galpin Perform with Dr. Andy Galpin Rick Rubin Methylene blue VO2 max Zone 2 training Hyperbaric oxygen therapy Red light therapy ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elite Performance with Dr. Kristen Holmes 452. AMMA - The Unexpected Truth About Happiness, Work Ethic, and Priorities 435. The 15-Minute Habit That Prevents Attorney Burnout with Leah Lagos
The only way to build the next big thing is to stop trying to copy the last one. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with David Vonderhaar, studio lead at Bullet Farm and former studio design director for the Call of Duty franchise, to unpack what it really takes to innovate in a world obsessed with replication. From navigating harsh feedback from passionate audiences to building a studio from the ground up after two decades inside a billion-dollar franchise, David shares the mindset, courage, and conviction required to do things on your own terms. This is a conversation about originality, resilience, and the cost of choosing the harder path. Here's what you'll learn: Why true breakthroughs come from being original, not from copying what's already working How to keep teams engaged under pressure without burning them out What it takes to bet on yourself when walking away from a sure thing If you want to build something that lasts, you have to be willing to build it before anyone else believes in it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:28) Two Decades at Treyarch (00:03:56) Why He Didn't Retire (00:05:49) Origins in the Arcade (00:10:16) Joining the Call of Duty Machine (00:12:07) The Yearly Release Pressure (00:18:43) Navigating a Toxic Community (00:21:12) The End of the Public-Facing Dev (00:26:57) What Made Call of Duty Iconic (00:28:54) When a Game Loses Its Soul (00:30:27) The Business Broke the Industry (00:36:59) Redefining What AAA Means (00:38:45) What Success Looks Like Now (00:41:59) Building the Right Team ---- Links & Resources: Bullet Farm NetEase Games Activision Treyarch Infinity Ward Sledgehammer Games Raven Software Call of Duty X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse Dungeons & Dragons ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 332. Cliff Bleszinski - What the Legal Industry Can Learn From the Gaming Industry 113. Kevin O'Leary - The Entrepreneurial Journey: Inside the Mind of Mr. Wonderful 48. Eric Siu - Leveling Up: How to Master the Game of Life
The fastest way to destroy a great firm is to let standards slip while you scale. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Pond, founder and managing partner of Pond Lehocky Giordano, to break down what it really takes to build a high-performing law firm without losing what made it great in the first place. From leadership under pressure to culture enforcement, delegation, data, and the real ROI of team retreats, this conversation is a masterclass in scaling without becoming bureaucratic. Here's what you'll learn: Why “take care of the client and everything else will take care of itself” is the only scalable North Star How to build a culture that holds under pressure (and what to do the moment you see slippage) What it takes to run a real executive structure, delegate at scale, and still deliver exceptional service The firms that win next are the ones that scale without surrendering what made them great. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:10) Welcome and origin story (00:04:33) Early hustle and entrepreneurship (00:05:59) From adversaries to partners (00:09:18) Mission first, money second (00:11:34) Scaling quality with teams (00:16:13) Retreats, culture, and ROI (00:20:15) Growth metrics and reinvestment (00:24:04) C-suite structure and ops scale (00:28:07) Marketing channels that convert (00:33:20) Adversity, COVID, leadership (00:41:45) Worry, mindset, and perspective (00:44:58) Marriage and shared values (00:46:41) What Sam is most proud of (00:49:42) Closing ---- Links & Resources: Pond Lehocky Giordano John Morgan Jamie Dimon Eagles Autism Foundation Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 247. John Morgan - Fortune Favors the Bold: How to Build a Legal Empire 204. Alexander Shunnarah - The Thin Line Between Success and Failure 182. Randi McGinn - Authenticity is the Advantage
Elite performance is not a personality trait. It is biology, managed intentionally. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Kristen Holmes, Global Head of Human Performance at WHOOP, to talk about what health tracking should actually do for you. They break down how to use wearable data without getting trapped in day-to-day noise, why sleep consistency beats chasing perfect sleep duration, and how recovery drives the capacity you need for clear thinking, stable energy, and better decisions. If you want the upside of high output without the crash that usually follows, this conversation gives you the framework. Here's what you'll learn: How to read your data in a way that supports better decisions, not more second-guessing What a strong baseline looks like across HRV, resting heart rate, respiratory rate, and VO2 max A simple starting point to stabilize sleep and recovery before you chase optimization If you want to perform like an outlier, start living like your biology matters. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) Wearables, Data, and Anxiety (00:05:47) HRV, CV, and Adaptation (00:09:55) VO2 Max and "Hard to Die" (00:14:50) LeBron Rules Apply to Everyone (00:16:56) Sleep Consistency Beats Duration (00:20:32) Sleep Debt and "Social Jet Lag" (00:23:01) Why Deep Sleep and REM Matter (00:25:26) Light Diet and Circadian Alignment (00:28:55) Why "Recovery" Isn't the Couch (00:29:39) Capacity, Stress, and Survival (00:32:37) Train Heart and Build Muscle (00:34:49) Heart Rate and Decision Quality (00:41:36) Wearables vs Drinking (00:43:22) The 80/20 Life and Your "Why" (00:47:24) Purpose, Autonomy, Connection (00:51:41) Building Team Capacity at Work (01:02:18) "Aligned": What the Book Covers (01:06:00) Closing ---- Links & Resources: WHOOP Heart rate variability (HRV) Respiratory rate VO2 max Peter Drucker Dr. Russell Foster's TED Talk Rory McIlroy Scott Galloway "Aligned" by Kristen Holmes ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 323. James Lawrence - The Power of One More: A Journey of Grit and Determination 170. Mat Fraser - The Fittest Man on Earth 21. Will Ahmed - Unlocking Human Performance
If you keep waiting to "feel motivated," you will keep losing to friction, bad habits, and the identity you keep reinforcing. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Craig Ballantyne, widely known for being "the world's most disciplined man." He didn't get there through sheer intensity or some superhuman routine, but instead by turning discipline into a repeatable system. Together, they break down why "discipline" means something different for everyone, why subtracting friction beats adding effort, and how identity and self-talk determine your consistency. This conversation is a practical blueprint for building standards that hold up even when life gets busy. Here's what you'll learn: Why discipline starts with a clear definition of success, not generic "work harder" goals How to subtract obstacles (environments, people, distance, temptations) so consistency becomes the default What it takes to shift your identity and self-talk so your habits become almost automatic Stop trying to win with willpower. Actually achieve your goals with systems. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:36) Being the "World's Most Disciplined Man" (00:03:56) Define discipline for yourself (00:05:39) Subtract friction to win (00:08:02) Identity and self-talk (00:11:50) Public accountability hack (00:13:51) Anxiety and turning it around (00:19:18) The Perfect Day Formula (00:23:53) Dark side of Discipline (00:28:27) Get back on track fast (00:32:40) Why Craig coaches others (00:36:40) Who changes vs who doesn't (00:39:01) Win in business, lose in life (00:44:06) Values-first planning filter (00:49:01) What being a "game changer" means (00:50:03) Closing Links & Resources: Craig Ballantyne The Perfect Day Formula by Craig Ballantyne The Dark Side of Discipline by Craig Ballantyne David Goggins Charlie Munger Falling Down (1993) Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin The Da Vinci Code (2006) What Got You Here Won't Get You There by Marshall Goldsmith Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 427. Your 2026 Reset: The One Change That Will Transform Your Firm with Jay Papasan 418. Why Discipline Without Toxicity Wins Every Time with Dominique Dawes 229. David Goggins - Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
What happens when the drive that built your firm starts costing you the life you wanted it to support? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three questions from firm owners who built real success but then realized the business was taking a toll on their health, marriage, and personal lives. Michael Mogill shares how he thinks about separating who you are from what you run, how to stay demanding without becoming unapproachable, and how to stay motivated when the old underdog story stops working. Here's what you'll learn: How to rethink “starting over” when the business is consuming your time and attention How to keep high standards while creating a culture where your team is not afraid to challenge you How to find a new source of drive when you have already achieved what used to motivate you If you want a business that supports your life, you have to build it so it does not require you for everything. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:04) Where to Find the Psychos at 6 AM (00:04:40) When's the Last Time You Jumped? (00:05:22) The Van Damme Volvo Commercial (00:07:13) Stacking Wins Builds Confidence (00:08:54) Q1: I Lost Myself in My Firm (00:09:38) You Are Not Your Business (00:12:42) "What Do You Actually Want?" (00:14:12) Q2: Intense vs. Intimidating Leader (00:17:18) Approachability Is a Superpower (00:20:07) Feedback Is a Gift, Not a Threat (00:22:34) Q3: Staying Driven After Survival (00:24:10) "Money Alone Won't Sustain You" (00:26:45) Mission-Driven vs. Money-Driven (00:30:15) Comfort Is the Enemy of Growth (00:32:00) Closing Thoughts ---- Links & Resources: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs "The Epic Split" Rocky III ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 434. AMMA — Unconditional Love and Other Business Disasters 423. AMMA — How to Actually Scale Your Standards 383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm
What separates the firms that scale cleanly from the ones that stay stuck in chaos, even with a great reputation? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kayla Grayson and Michael Beckman of Viles & Beckman, Jami Oliver of Oliver Law Office, Craig Greening of The Greening Law Group, and Stevin Groth of Groth & Associates to explore the real difference between stalling and scaling. Most firms don't fail because they lack talent; they're struggling because the business behind the cases cannot keep up. This episode is a look at the discipline, standards, and leadership decisions that make growth possible from firm owners who have been there themselves. Here's what you'll learn: How to improve client communication and experience to create real value (and prevent case leakage) How to use AI to accelerate case resolution while maintaining the human touch that clients expect What it means to move from trial lawyer to true business owner and leader Exceptional client experience doesn't happen by accident. This episode reveals the systems, standards, and strategic decisions that deliver excellence every single time. ---- Show Notes: (00:00:00) Introduction (00:03:04) Groth: immigrant kid to founder (00:07:05) Early days: taking every call himself (00:18:38) From peacekeeper to leader (00:27:46) Normal is unacceptable (00:29:36) Beckman and Grayson on “the five-star brand” (00:33:03) Culture after losing a partner (00:42:17) Competing with Amazon-level service (00:49:16) Break the mold, build your vision (00:51:34) AI removes busywork (00:57:08) Greening: brand without gimmicks (00:58:23) The stop at 16 that led him to law (01:01:11) Engineering edge in court (01:26:18) Hire to win, not to be right (01:23:34) Jami: COVID decision to scale (01:26:53) Six-month hiring funnel (01:34:57) Community impact that sticks (01:42:35) Success: more time with her daughters ---- Links & Resources: Groth & Associates The Toledo Mud Hens Scopes Monkey Trial Viles & Beckman Oliver Law Office The Greening Law Group ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 451. Growth Secrets From the Best of the Best 410. The Firm of the Future Won't Wait for You to Catch Up 376. Best of AMMA — Brand-Building Secrets Your Competitors Will Hate You For
What if the fastest way to build mental toughness is to choose the hard thing on purpose? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Glaze. Andy is an ultrarunner, firefighter, and author of Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong. He's built a following by documenting what it really takes to keep moving when your body and brain are begging you to quit. Together, they break down why high performers chase extreme challenges, what ultramarathons reveal about failure and resilience, and how to apply those lessons to leadership, business, and life. Here's what you'll learn: Why high performers deliberately seek challenges with a real chance of failure, and how that mirrors entrepreneurship. How to build durability through “time on your feet” and zone 2 discipline, instead of relying on intensity and motivation. Why learning to reframe pain, setbacks, and criticism is a competitive advantage in business and in life. If you've been waiting to feel ready before you take your next big leap, this episode will challenge that mindset. ---- Show Notes: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:02:34 Michael explains how Andy's “run 100 miles with me” videos caught his attention, and why they changed his view of human limits. 00:03:18 Andy shares how he found ultrarunning in his 30s, starting with trail running and a 24-hour Tough Mudder that pushed him into longer races. 00:05:20 What draws certain runners past marathons, including the outdoors, the slower pace, and the appeal of a longer, more unpredictable challenge. 00:07:01 Why so many ultrarunners are high performers, and how extreme races scratch the same itch as business: risk, uncertainty, and the chance of failure. 00:09:46 What a 200+ mile race feels like from the inside, how pain changes over time, and how Andy manages sleep, short naps, and fueling to keep moving. 00:23:50 The link between addiction recovery and endurance sports, and how some people redirect that drive into something healthier. 00:29:51 Andy's approach to online hate, why he responds, and how he uses it to teach people not to stop sharing their progress. 00:33:17 Why DNF matters, what it teaches, and how Andy thinks about failure as part of getting better, not a reason to quit. 00:39:08 The cost of chasing hard goals, and how Andy thinks about balance, family, and what he chooses to give up so he can train. 00:47:35 How Andy defines success, including goal-setting, long-term thinking, and building a life where he gets real time with his kids. ---- Links & Resources: Andy Glaze Andy Glaze on Instagram Andy Glaze on TikTok Smile, or You're Doing it Wrong by Andy Glaze Moab 240 Western States Endurance Run 100-Mile Ketone IQ ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 415. Why Your Limits Might Be Your Greatest Asset with Kyle Maynard 255. Joe De Sena — The Spartan Mindset: Embracing Discomfort and Unleashing Mental Toughness 229. David Goggins — Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
If you want justice to change, you cannot treat equality like a slogan. You have to fight for it like it is personal. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ben Crump, renowned civil rights attorney and founder of Ben Crump Law, to unpack what it really means to pursue equality inside a system shaped by power, precedent, and bias. Ben explains why progress is often incremental, why the biggest injustice is not always what makes the news, and why lawyers have a responsibility to speak truth to power even when it is unpopular. This conversation is a reminder that influence is only valuable when you use it to protect people who do not have any. Here's what you'll learn: Why racism and discrimination in America are rooted in economics, and how that shapes the fight for justice today How to handle death threats, public attacks, and the personal cost of taking on high-profile civil rights cases What it means to use your legal education to speak truth to power, even when it's controversial, unpopular, or dangerous If you have a legal education, you have a responsibility to make the world a better place. This episode will remind you why. ---- Show Notes: 02:53 — Ben explains the sacrifice behind the work, and why it feels like the news never stops giving him another family to serve. 03:55 — Ben talks about “incremental progress,” why change never happens overnight, and why cases like George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery still matter as proof that accountability is possible. 05:39 — Michael asks where the real problem begins; Ben says it starts with whether people truly believe the Declaration of Independence, then explains how he tests that belief in jury selection. 11:53 — Ben shares how he stays optimistic, first through his own upbringing and family, then through a surprising source: what law school taught him about “precedent.” 16:42 — Ben tells the story of his mother and grandmother, the power of education, and how Brown v. Board and Thurgood Marshall shaped his mission when he was only nine years old. 21:20 — Michael brings up the backlash and threats; Ben explains why he accepts the risk, what “influence” is for, and why speaking truth to power is part of the job. 25:50 — Ben gives a practical answer to “But what can I do?” in the face of injustice 29:13 — Ben reflects on being a “rent lawyer,” and why the small cases and hard seasons are what sharpen the skills you will rely on later. ---- Links & Resources: Ben Crump Law Civil: Ben Crump (Netflix Documentary) Thurgood Marshall Frederick Douglass Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T. E. Lawrence ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 297. Ken Feinberg — Behind the 9/11 Compensation Fund: Navigating Tragedy & Complex Mediation 281. Nick Rowley — Brutal Honesty in Action: The Key to Legal Victory 209. Mark Lanier — A Lasting Legacy of Justice, Truth, and Billion-Dollar Verdicts
What separates the firms that scale from the ones that stay stuck? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with the four Firm of the Year winners from the 2025 Game Changers Summit. Laura dePaz Cabrera of dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law, Koro Khamo of Khamo Law, John Richmond of Richmond Vona, and David Meyer of Meyer Wilson Werning each share what it really takes to build a firm that grows without burning you out in the process. From learning to let go of control to betting the farm on the right technology, this episode reveals the mindset shifts and strategic decisions that turned their practices into powerhouses. Here's what you'll learn: Why staying small is often the riskiest decision you can make, and how scaling protects your future How to build systems that run without you, so your firm can thrive even when you're not in the room Why culture is non-negotiable at every stage If you want to build a firm that scales, this episode will show you what some of the best in the business actually did to get there. ---- Show Notes: 5:14 — Laura DePaz Cabrera on building a human-centered immigration practice 16:08 — Why the outcome must always be tempered by the human impact 19:01 — Laura describes the culture of relentless pursuit of excellence 27:35 — Koro Khamo on scaling from startup to Premier Firm of the Year 40:26 — How Koro uses 11-year forecasting and AI to drive growth 44:29 — Why staying in place means falling behind in today's market 49:42 — The overpaid employee trap: why solos need to think bigger 54:09 — John Richmond on scaling from two people to 50+ in six years 1:06:24 — How leadership evolves as you scale from six to eight figures 1:07:41 — Defending culture at all costs, even when it means losing high performers 1:14:49 — Richmond Vona's approach to AI integration and change management 1:16:22 — David Meyer on transforming from chaos to intentional growth 1:24:25 — The catalyst that shifted Meyer Wilson from technical mastery to business excellence 1:32:25 — How David learned to let go and trust his leadership team 1:36:50 — Training for an Ironman as proof of a self-managing firm ---- Links & Resources: dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law Khamo Law Richmond Vona Meyer Wilson Werning Alexander Shunnarah Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 410. The Firm of the Future Won't Wait for You to Catch Up 376. Best of AMMA — Brand-Building Secrets Your Competitors Will Hate You For 308. AMMA — Overcoming Doubt: Turning Fear into Fuel
Most negotiators spend years perfecting their argument. Chris Voss spent his career learning how to make the other side feel heard. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Chris Voss, former FBI lead international kidnapping negotiator, CEO of The Black Swan Group, and bestselling author of Never Split the Difference. With decades of high-stakes experience negotiating with criminals, terrorists, and executives alike, Chris challenges what most attorneys think they know about winning and explains why the collaborative negotiator almost always beats the combative one. Here's what you'll learn: Why "win-win" is one of the clearest signals that someone is about to take advantage of you Why pushing back only when it's justified builds more credibility than fighting every point Why negotiation is a perishable skill and what small-stakes daily practice actually looks like for someone who does this at the highest level Getting better at negotiation doesn't start with your next big case. It starts with the next conversation you have. ---- Show Notes: 2:32 — Since his first appearance on the podcast, Chris has been busy: a documentary, a book on empathy, and a bourbon brand built around dealmaking. 5:11 — Michael asks Chris to draw the line between how negotiation is portrayed on TV versus what effective negotiation actually looks like in practice, particularly for attorneys. 5:32 — Chris tells the story of a lawyer who trained under him as an FBI intern, became a practicing attorney, and out-earned every associate at his firm by refusing to be combative. 10:06 — Chris explains why a combative approach neurochemically triggers defensiveness in the other party, lengthening deals and eroding trust over time. 23:18 — Chris defines tactical empathy and cognitive empathy, explains why sociopaths are paradoxically the best at reading others, and describes how neuroscience backs the collaborative approach. 32:13 — Michael and Chris discuss negotiating in a digital world, why most people communicate too much at once, and why in-person interaction remains irreplaceable for building real relationships. 36:32 — Negotiation is a perishable skill. Chris shares how Tiger Woods approached practice and explains how he stays sharp by reading strangers in low-stakes everyday moments. 39:39 — Chris compares Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins to illustrate the difference between ambition and perfectionism, and what that means for how people handle losing. 45:56 — Michael and Chris dig into what it actually takes to maintain a competitive edge over time ---- Links & Resources: The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel Same as Ever by Morgan Housel Collaborative Fund Bill Gates Mark Zuckerberg Jeff Bezos Elon Musk Scott Galloway Chris Rock Warren Buffett ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 441. The Psychology Behind Difficult Conversations with Sheila Heen 297. Ken Feinberg — Behind the 9/11 Compensation Fund: Navigating Tragedy & Complex Mediation 5. Chris Voss — FBI Negotiation Tactics for Business and Life
The story you never tell is the one that could have changed everything. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kindra Hall, best-selling author, keynote speaker, and expert on strategic storytelling in business. Kindra has spent over a decade teaching leaders how to stop communicating in marketing copy and start connecting through the one thing the human brain is biologically wired to receive: a story. In this conversation, Michael and Kindra unpack why storytelling is the most underused tool in a leader's arsenal, what separates the stories that convert from the ones that fade, and how the narratives we tell ourselves are either fueling or quietly sabotaging our potential. Here's what you'll learn: The four essential business stories every firm owner needs and how to tell each one without sounding self-indulgent or salesy Why customer stories that start with the win are missing the most important part, and how to fix them so prospects actually see themselves in the story How to identify the limiting internal stories holding you back and use your own history to rewrite the ones keeping you stuck Your story isn't just how you got here. It's the most strategic asset you have. Are you using it? ---- Show Notes: 02:38 — Kindra's origin story and how a fifth-grade assignment launched a career in storytelling. 08:09 — Why AI saturation is driving leaders back to human connection and storytelling. 09:36 — What the best brands get right about storytelling and where most go wrong. 12:07 — The neuroscience of attention and why the brain is biologically wired to receive stories. 14:11 — The four essential business stories every leader needs to master. 14:47 — How to tell your founder story without making it about you. 18:04 — Why most client testimonials fail and what a great customer story actually looks like. 25:44 — The internal stories that keep leaders stuck and how to rewrite them. ---- Links & Resources: Kindra Hall Stories That Stick by Kindra Hall Choose Your Story, Change Your Life by Kindra Hall National Storytelling Festival Airbnb Buffalo Bills ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 199. Jesse Cole — Change the Game, Break the Rules, and Create an Unforgettable Experience 174. Joey Coleman — Never Lose a Client Again: Creating Memorable Experiences to Gain an Advocate for Life 36. Ryan Deiss — Truth Over Tactics: Marketing Strategies That Actually Work
The way you think about money has almost nothing to do with spreadsheets and everything to do with who you are. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Morgan Housel, New York Times bestselling author of The Psychology of Money and partner at the Collaborative Fund. With millions of copies sold and translations in over 50 languages, Morgan has spent his career studying not what the market will do next, but why we make the decisions we make with money. In this conversation, Michael and Morgan explore how personal experience shapes financial behavior, why the wealthiest people are often driven by something other than wealth, and what it actually means to use money as a tool for a better life. Here's what you'll learn: Why managing money is so new that we're still figuring out the rules, and why that means most people are learning as they go How your personal history with money shapes every financial decision you make, often in ways you don't realize What separates people who accumulate extreme wealth from those chasing it, and why the answer is rarely about money itself If you want to build wealth that lasts, you have to start by understanding the psychology driving every decision you make. ---- Show Notes: 03:57 — Why managing money for retirement is so new that there hasn't been a generational knowledge transfer yet. 05:19 — The social work principle that all behavior makes sense with enough information, and how it applies to financial decisions. 12:38 — The hardest financial concept to master is "enough," and how moving goalposts prevents happiness. 14:05 — Social comparison as the root of all financial unhappiness, and why there's always someone with more. 22:40 — The biggest financial risk is always what no one is talking about because you're not prepared for it. 28:13 — How savings without a specific goal gives you options and flexibility when the world surprises you. 30:07 — The highest form of wealth is waking up every morning and saying, "I can do whatever I want today." 31:44 — The difference between being rich and being wealthy, and why wealth is what you don't see. 40:26 — What it takes to turn down $1 billion at age 20, and why ultra-wealthy founders are rarely driven by money. 43:52 — What being a game changer means, and why the most admirable people are living extraordinary lives that no one knows about. ---- Links & Resources: The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel Same as Ever by Morgan Housel Collaborative Fund Bill Gates Mark Zuckerberg Jeff Bezos Elon Musk Scott Galloway Chris Rock Warren Buffett ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 306. AMMA — From Ramen to Rolex: Celebrating Milestones Wisely 264. Bill Perkins — Die with Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life 223. Chad Willardson — Achieving Financial Freedom: Strategies for Building Abundant Wealth
The cards you're dealt matter far less than what you do with your emotions when you pick them up. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Tiffany Michelle, world-class poker player, ESPN commentator, and one of the most recognizable faces in professional poker, to unpack what the game reveals about decision-making, emotional regulation, and how leaders can compete at the highest level. Tiffany brings the mindset of a champion to a conversation about the hidden cost of letting your emotions drive your strategy at the table and in your firm. Here's what you'll learn: Why emotional regulation, not talent or luck, is the single greatest separator between good players and great ones, and what that means for how you lead your firm How to make confident decisions when you're operating with incomplete information, high pressure, and no time to think What the 3 Cs of high performance (Clarity, Competitive Edge, and Calibration) look like in practice for attorneys navigating a high-stakes career If you want to stop letting your emotions cost you the hand, this episode is your playbook. ---- Show Notes: 02:17 – Tiffany shares how her grandfather taught her poker as a kid and why competing against her brothers lit a competitive fire that never went out. 05:35 – What actually separates good players from great ones, and why emotion regulation is the skill most people underestimate. 08:53 – Why the best players think 20 levels deep while most are still playing the surface, and how that gap shows up in every high-stakes decision. 13:45 – How to make confident decisions with incomplete information, combining what is automatic, what is analytical, and what is instinctual. 18:14 – Why great results do not always reflect great decisions, and how to reverse-engineer your process instead of just chasing outcomes. 23:07 – Tiffany's 3 Cs framework, Clarity, Competitive Edge, and Calibration, and how to apply them to your career and firm. 28:07 – How she stayed mentally locked in at the 2008 World Series of Poker with 27 players left, a fresh breakup, and $9 million on the line. 31:25 – Decision fatigue unpacked: why the problem is not thinking too much but treating every decision like it deserves the same weight. 42:35 – Looking back at the 2008 main event and the one thing she would have done differently, asking for help sooner. 52:49 – What being a game changer means to Tiffany, and why the biggest wins come from stepping boldly into uncertainty rather than waiting to feel ready. ---- Links & Resources: Tiffany Michelle World Series of Poker Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke Chris Moneymaker Daniel Negreanu Phil Hellmuth ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 334. Dr. Benjamin Hardy — From Limiting Beliefs to Limitless Potential: A Guide to Personal Growth 161. Joe De Sena — The Spartan Mindset: Embracing Discomfort and Unleashing Mental Toughness 71. Tim Grover — Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness
The most dangerous conversations aren't the ones we have. They're the ones we keep avoiding. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sheila Heen, Harvard Law professor, co-founder of Triad Consulting, and bestselling co-author of Difficult Conversations and Thanks for the Feedback. With over 30 years at the Harvard Negotiation Project, Sheila has spent her career studying why conversations go sideways and what it actually takes to have them well. In this conversation, Michael and Sheila unpack the hidden structure of every difficult conversation, explore why feedback triggers our deepest identity fears, and reveal how the most effective leaders learn to hear what others can't bring themselves to say. Here's what you'll learn: The three hidden layers in every difficult conversation How to use the "third story" approach to enter hard conversations without putting people on the defensive What separates leaders who invite honest feedback from those who build blind spots over time If you want to lead at the highest level, you have to be willing to have the conversations everyone else is avoiding. ---- Show Notes: 07:45 — Why negotiation isn't a field, and why that's actually the whole point. 11:37 — How the Difficult Conversations book has evolved over the past 25 years. 18:09 — Why every difficult conversation is actually three separate conversations happening at the same time. 20:07 — The movie theater test: one question that reveals exactly how you handle conflict. 23:38 — The reason starting from your own story almost always backfires, and what to do instead. 29:51 — The one type of feedback leaders give constantly that makes everything worse. 34:44 — Why two people can receive the exact same feedback and have completely different reactions 39:13 — The mistake Sheila made with her three-year-old son that she now uses to teach every leader she works with. ---- Links & Resources: Sheila Heen Difficult Conversations by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, and Sheila Heen Thanks for the Feedback by Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen Harvard Negotiation Project Getting It Done by Roger Fisher and Alan Sharp Carol Dweck ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 395. AMMA — Why Consensus Slows Growth and How to Fix It 373. AMMA — Your Firm's Biggest Threat: Too Many Good Ideas 156. Chris Voss — FBI Negotiation Tactics for Business and Life
Radical respect is the prequel to radical candor. Without it, you won't bother challenging anyone. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor and Radical Respect, to tackle the workplace dynamics that quietly destroy firm culture. Kim shares how a colleague's feedback on her own book exposed the blind spots she had around bias, prejudice, and bullying in the workplace, ultimately leading her to write Radical Respect. This conversation reveals how leaders accidentally exclude top talent through "oblivious" promotion processes, and why the brilliant jerk who delivers results will ultimately cost you more than they're worth. Kim gives you the exact language to use when things get uncomfortable, so you stop defaulting to silence. Here's what you'll learn: The difference between bias, prejudice, and bullying, and how to respond to each The “I/It/You” framework for course-correcting conversations that lack respect How to create a shared vocabulary for disrupting bias on your team It's better to have a hole in your team than an asshole on your team. ---- Show Notes: 03:09 – The feedback from a black woman CEO that made Kim realize what she'd missed. 09:15 – How to know if you're dealing with bias, prejudice, or bullying in the moment. 09:15 – The I, It, You framework for responding to each type of disrespect. 16:14 – Why leaders need to create three types of consequences for bullying behavior. 19:38 – The difference between healthy conflict and repeated bullying that ignores feedback. 20:55 – What it means to be an upstander versus a bystander when you witness bias. 23:46 – Why silence is the default and how to calculate the ROI of speaking up. 26:40 – How to create a shared vocabulary so your team knows what to say when bias happens. 36:06 – How oblivious exclusion shows up in promotion meetings and how to catch it. ---- Links & Resources: Radical Respect by Kim Scott Radical Candor by Kim Scott Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman Radical Candor Podcast Bob Sutton Episode 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 369. Your Ego Is Making You Miserable with Cy Wakeman 352. Susan Fowler — Why Everything You Know About Motivating Your Team Might Be Completely Wrong 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss
You can't delegate your longevity to a system that only gets paid when you're sick. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Bill Kapp, Chief Medical Officer and co-founder of Fountain Life, to explore the cutting edge of longevity science. Dr. Kapp reveals how creating a comprehensive digital twin with 250 gigabytes of personalized health data can detect fatal conditions 20 to 30 years before symptoms appear, why your family doctor is 17 to 20 years behind the latest technology, and how exponential innovations from gene editing to AI-powered diagnostics are reshaping what's possible for extending your healthspan. This conversation cuts through the influencer noise in the longevity space to focus on data-driven approaches backed by science, not hype. Here's what you'll learn: How full-body MRI scans with 10,000 slices and whole genome sequencing create a complete digital twin that enables personalized optimization Why muscle mass is the number one predictor of disease-free longevity and how lifting heavy outweighs everything else you can do Why you need to become the CEO of your own health and stop delegating your longevity to a broken medical system What you don't measure, you can't manage. It's time to become the CEO of your own health. ---- Show Notes: 02:39 – What Fountain Life is and the paradigm shift from symptom-based to proactive care. 12:13 – The comprehensive assessment: what gets measured and why it matters. 16:48 – The real risk of waiting and the airplane maintenance analogy. 20:01 – Genetics versus lifestyle: what's actually in your control. 26:01 – Making longevity technology accessible and what's coming next. 30:34 – Beyond detection: optimizing cellular health, hormones, and mitochondrial function. 41:29 – Longevity escape velocity and whether we can reverse aging in our lifetime. 44:06 – High-performance aging: why 80 doesn't have to mean slowing down. 45:45 – The top 3 takeaways: baseline testing, sleep optimization, and lifting heavy. ---- Links & Resources: Fountain Life Dr. Bill Kapp Tony Robbins Dr. Peter Diamandis Dr. Bob Hariri Why We Sleep by Dr. Matthew Walker ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 396. Why High Performers Can't Afford to Ignore Wellness with Dr. Taz Bhatia 283. Marcus Filly — Fitness Secrets for Professional Success 41. Dave Asprey —Becoming Bulletproof: Living Your Longest and Healthiest Life
Your heart reveals more about your performance capacity than you think. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Leah Lagos, clinical psychologist and performance expert, to explore the science of heart rate variability and how a simple breathing practice can transform cognitive performance, emotional regulation, and long-term resilience. From working with elite athletes on the PGA Tour to coaching world leaders and executives, Dr. Lagos breaks down how resonant frequency breathing changes baseline heart rhythms, prevents cognitive fatigue, and allows high performers to make critical decisions without fear. This conversation will equip you with the physiological tools that separate sustained excellence from burnout. Here's what you'll learn: Why heart rate variability is a more reliable indicator of cognitive capacity than most people realize How 15 minutes of resonant frequency breathing twice a day can rewire your nervous system Why comparing your HRV to others is meaningless and what metrics actually matter for performance Want to improve your performance? Start with your heart. ---- Show Notes: 02:58 – Dr. Leah Lagos explains the science of resonant frequency breathing and how it creates homeostasis in the nervous system. 06:20 – Why comparing your HRV to others is meaningless and what metrics actually matter for performance. 12:06 – How chronic stress compounds over time and shows up reliably in your heart rate variability. 13:36 – The lifestyle factors that tank HRV: alcohol, dehydration, excessive caffeine, and who you spend time with. 17:59 – Why HRV training expands prefrontal lobe bandwidth and prevents cognitive fatigue under pressure. 22:35 – How resonant frequency breathing differs from meditation and produces measurable baseline changes in four weeks. 28:45 – The practical protocol: 15 minutes twice a day, finding your resonant frequency, and committing for ten weeks. 37:35 – The role of vagal tone in connecting heart, gut, and brain for better decision-making and health. 39:25 – Why breathwork is a must-have practice for longevity and sustained excellence, not just recovery. ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Leah Lagos Heart Breath Mind by Dr. Leah Lagos Oura Ring WHOOP Garmin Polar Alex Honnold ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 396. Why High Performers Can't Afford to Ignore Wellness with Dr. Taz Bhatia 125. Health Hackers: Mastering Habits to Operate at Peak Performance
Confusing great culture with unconditional acceptance is one of the fastest ways to destroy a business. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the belief that accountability and close relationships can't coexist. The conversation begins with Michael reflecting on Steve Wynn's philosophy of creativity and how it applies to standing out in saturated markets, then shifts into three critical questions about culture, accountability, and performance. From diagnosing silent culture problems to justifying special privileges for top performers, this episode tackles the hard truths that most leaders avoid. The tightest cultures are built on standards, not sentiment. Here's what you'll learn: Why creativity is not about invention but about creating contrast between expectation and reality How to maintain accountability and culture simultaneously without confusing the two Why special talent deserves special privileges and how to defend that to your team Unconditional love has no place in business. Unconditional standards do. ---- 02:25 – Michael Mogill explains Steve Wynn's definition of creativity as the clash between thesis and antithesis. 03:54 – How the Game Changers Summit became innovative by defying conference expectations rather than matching them. 11:09 – Jessica Mogill shares how skip-level meetings reveal patterns and uncover real culture problems. 13:43 – Why calling your business a family creates unconditional expectations that destroy accountability. 15:45 – How transparency with performance data prevents resentment when underperformers are let go. 17:39 – Why exceptional performers deserve exceptional privileges and how to defend that decision. 18:52 – The NFL veteran principle: special treatment must be earned daily and can be taken away. ---- Links & Resources: Steve Wynn Video on Creativity The Mirage The Game Changers Summit Fyre Festival The Power of the Dog by Don Winslow ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 394. How to Grow Without Losing Culture (Or Your Sanity) with Varghese Summersett 352. Susan Fowler — Why Everything You Know About Motivating Your Team Might Be Completely Wrong 54. Eric Farber — The Case for Culture
Drama isn't just annoying. It's measurable, costly, and completely avoidable. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Cy Wakeman, leadership expert, author of No Ego, and founder of Reality-Based Leadership, to unpack the staggering cost of emotional waste in the workplace. From venting and scorekeeping to resisting change and holding organizations hostage, drama silently destroys productivity and engagement. This conversation challenges the conventional wisdom around employee happiness and exposes the hard truths about accountability, leadership myths, and what it really takes to build a high-performing culture. Here's what you'll learn: Why the average employee spends over two hours a day stuck in drama, and what that really costs your firm How to stop managing emotional waste and start building a culture rooted in accountability and results Why popular leadership advice is often based on flawed research, and what the evidence actually says about engagement and performance Stop managing the drama and start building the culture you actually want. ---- Show Notes: 02:56 – Cy Wakeman discusses her mythbusting approach to leadership and why she brings evidence-based research back into HR instead of relying on pop psychology. 05:15 – Understanding the invisible tax that drains productivity and engagement from every team without most leaders realizing it. 06:12 – The cost of workplace drama and why it's affecting far more of your organization than you think. 14:25 – Why the strategies designed to boost engagement often backfire and create the opposite of what leaders intended. 16:09 – The accountability paradox that makes it impossible to satisfy everyone on your team with the same approach. 19:20 – Where leaders should actually invest their time and energy for maximum organizational impact. 24:35 – What really happens when you raise standards and why most leaders are wrong about the consequences. 28:26 – A new framework for measuring employee value that goes far beyond traditional performance reviews. 36:20 – Rethinking generational differences and what younger employees actually bring to high-performing organizations. ---- Links & Resources: No Ego by Cy Wakeman Reality-Based Leadership by Cy Wakeman The Reality-Based Rules of the Workplace by Cy Wakeman Reality-Based Leadership Website ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 369. Your Ego Is Making You Miserable with Cy Wakeman 191. Joey Coleman — Never Lose an Employee Again: The Simple Path to Remarkable Retention 97. Liz Wiseman — Impact Players: How to Take the Lead, Play Bigger, and Multiply Your Impact
Originally Aired January 10, 2024 Joey Rafaeli started a Law Firm in his childhood bedroom during the Covid lockdown and is now overseeing fifteen employees of a fully remote company. He is an experienced Florida attorney who represents individuals injured as a result of other people's negligence. On this week's episode, Maria speaks with Joey about running a virtual law firm, the value of money, how to grow leads with Instagram, how to build personal and professional relationships, hiring remote employees and how lavish purchases can help build your businesses. To connect with Joey, visit https://rafaelilaw.com Other episodes you might enjoy: 9. Grit and Determination: Creating Your Own Opportunities 12. From $7 to $7 Million: Mobile Advertising and Optimism 25. Social Media Breakdown: A Step-By-Step Guide to TikTok for Attorneys Previous Guests: Chris Massaro, Kevin Kennedy, Lawrence LeBrocq, Jefferson Fisher, Amanda Demanda, James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, Pratik Shah, John Campbell, David Bayer, Darryl Isaacs, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Jeremy Tissot, Przemek Lubecki, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Yosi Yahoudai, Dan Ambrose, Greyson Goody, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sevy Fisher, Sahm Manouchehri, Mike Agruss, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Mike Morse, Sara Williams, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Brett Schreiber, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Max Antony, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Harry Plotkin, Claire Plotkin, Gary Sarner, Irving Pedroza.
Originally Aired January 10, 2024 Joey Rafaeli started a Law Firm in his childhood bedroom during the Covid lockdown and is now overseeing fifteen employees of a fully remote company. He is an experienced Florida attorney who represents individuals injured as a result of other people's negligence. On this week's episode, Maria speaks with Joey about running a virtual law firm, the value of money, how to grow leads with Instagram, how to build personal and professional relationships, hiring remote employees and how lavish purchases can help build your businesses. To connect with Joey, visit https://rafaelilaw.com Other episodes you might enjoy: 9. Grit and Determination: Creating Your Own Opportunities 12. From $7 to $7 Million: Mobile Advertising and Optimism 25. Social Media Breakdown: A Step-By-Step Guide to TikTok for Attorneys Previous Guests: Chris Massaro, Kevin Kennedy, Lawrence LeBrocq, Jefferson Fisher, Amanda Demanda, James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, Pratik Shah, John Campbell, David Bayer, Darryl Isaacs, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Jeremy Tissot, Przemek Lubecki, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Yosi Yahoudai, Dan Ambrose, Greyson Goody, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sevy Fisher, Sahm Manouchehri, Mike Agruss, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Mike Morse, Sara Williams, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Brett Schreiber, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Max Antony, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Harry Plotkin, Claire Plotkin, Gary Sarner, Irving Pedroza.
Most people think they have a revenue problem, but in reality, it's a reputation problem. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Rory Vaden, co-founder of Brand Builders Group, New York Times bestselling author, and the youngest person ever inducted into the Professional Speaking Hall of Fame. Rory reveals why personal branding isn't about vanity or follower counts, but about the digitization of reputation in an industry where trust determines everything. Through frameworks like Sheehan's Wall and insights from building multiple eight-figure businesses, this conversation challenges the myth that you need to be everywhere, talk about everything, and serve everyone to break through. Here's what you'll learn: Why 58% of Americans want their lawyer to have an established personal brand and how the digitization of reputation drives warm inbound leads in high-trust professions How to break through Sheehan's Wall by identifying your one uniqueness and focusing all your energy on one audience, one problem, and one revenue stream Why serving the person you once were unlocks your most powerful competitive advantage and creates trust that transactions alone never will The biggest personal brands aren't the most talented. They're the most focused. This episode will show you where to aim. ---- Show Notes: 03:43 – Rory shares how he made $250,000 in his summers doing direct sales door-to-door to fund his first company. 09:10 – Why 58% of Americans want their lawyer to have an established personal brand and what that means for the legal industry. 12:08 – Rory introduces Sheehan's Wall and explains why most people fail to break through by being everywhere at once. 16:04 – Larry Winget's transformative advice on finding your uniqueness and exploiting it in the service of others. 28:19 – Rory reveals the shortcut to finding uniqueness by serving the person you once were. 30:33 – John Maxwell's definition of success and why the people who know you best should respect you most. ---- Links & Resources: Brand Builders Group Take the Stairs by Rory Vaden Sheehan's Wall ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 378. Your Law Firm's Ads Suck: Here's Why (and How to Fix Them) with Billy Gene Shaw 205. Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam — Marketing Mash-Up: Scalable Strategies from Industry Experts 32. Seth Godin — Putting Your Best Work Out Into the World
Originally Aired December 27, 2023 Do you often worry if your fashion sense is appropriate for the workplace? Are you having trouble finding your one true passion? Have you ever had issues navigating the family business? If any of these questions speak to you, make sure to listen to this week's podcast. Taylor Dordick is a personal injury attorney at Dordick Law Firm in California. She is passionate about fighting for victims of abuse and recently received a groundbreaking $2.28 billion verdict in the Jane Doe v Fitzgerald sexual abuse case. On this week's episode, Maria speaks with Taylor about fashion in the workplace, working with her family, being a legacy, and finding her niche in fighting for victims of abuse. Key Takeaways Be smart about fashion. Yes, it is possible to dress appropriately for the workplace and still feel confident about your looks. Taylor teaches us that you don't have to shop high end to feel high end. Search and you can find great deals at places like Target, Nordstrom Rack, and Saks OFF Fifth. And remember, tailor, tailor, tailor. Don't squander your privilege. Take every opportunity and leg up that life gives you. Use it to do good, and don't throw it away. There are tons of people who would give anything to be in your position. Don't let them down. Find your niche. Sometimes, you have to work to find your calling because it's not immediately apparent. Taylor found her niche in fighting for victims of abuse. Don't be afraid to try different things until you find what makes you happy. To connect with Taylor, visit https://dordicklaw.com/ Other episodes you might enjoy: 16. Own Your Career: Empowering Female Trial Attorneys 21. Compassion Through Crisis: Discovering Strength in Vulnerability 27. Find Your Footing: Growing Confidence and Prioritizing Health Previous Guests: Kevin Kennedy, Lawrence LeBrocq, Jefferson Fisher, Amanda Demanda, James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, Pratik Shah, John Campbell, David Bayer, Darryl Isaacs, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Jeremy Tissot, Przemek Lubecki, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Yosi Yahoudai, Dan Ambrose, Greyson Goody, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sevy Fisher, Sahm Manouchehri, Mike Agruss, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Mike Morse, Sara Williams, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Brett Schreiber, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Max Antony, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Harry Plotkin, Claire Plotkin, Gary Sarner, Irving Pedroza. #law #lawfirm #lawyer #fashion #fashionicon #fashionstyle #fashiontrends #style #styletips #clothing #professional #female #femalefashion #trendyfashion #familybusiness
Originally Aired December 27, 2023 Do you often worry if your fashion sense is appropriate for the workplace? Are you having trouble finding your one true passion? Have you ever had issues navigating the family business? If any of these questions speak to you, make sure to listen to this week's podcast. Taylor Dordick is a personal injury attorney at Dordick Law Firm in California. She is passionate about fighting for victims of abuse and recently received a groundbreaking $2.28 billion verdict in the Jane Doe v Fitzgerald sexual abuse case. On this week's episode, Maria speaks with Taylor about fashion in the workplace, working with her family, being a legacy, and finding her niche in fighting for victims of abuse. Key Takeaways Be smart about fashion. Yes, it is possible to dress appropriately for the workplace and still feel confident about your looks. Taylor teaches us that you don't have to shop high end to feel high end. Search and you can find great deals at places like Target, Nordstrom Rack, and Saks OFF Fifth. And remember, tailor, tailor, tailor. Don't squander your privilege. Take every opportunity and leg up that life gives you. Use it to do good, and don't throw it away. There are tons of people who would give anything to be in your position. Don't let them down. Find your niche. Sometimes, you have to work to find your calling because it's not immediately apparent. Taylor found her niche in fighting for victims of abuse. Don't be afraid to try different things until you find what makes you happy. To connect with Taylor, visit https://dordicklaw.com/ Other episodes you might enjoy: 16. Own Your Career: Empowering Female Trial Attorneys 21. Compassion Through Crisis: Discovering Strength in Vulnerability 27. Find Your Footing: Growing Confidence and Prioritizing Health Previous Guests: Kevin Kennedy, Lawrence LeBrocq, Jefferson Fisher, Amanda Demanda, James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, Pratik Shah, John Campbell, David Bayer, Darryl Isaacs, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Jeremy Tissot, Przemek Lubecki, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Yosi Yahoudai, Dan Ambrose, Greyson Goody, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sevy Fisher, Sahm Manouchehri, Mike Agruss, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Mike Morse, Sara Williams, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Brett Schreiber, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Max Antony, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Harry Plotkin, Claire Plotkin, Gary Sarner, Irving Pedroza. #law #lawfirm #lawyer #fashion #fashionicon #fashionstyle #fashiontrends #style #styletips #clothing #professional #female #femalefashion #trendyfashion #familybusiness
The best marketing strategy is the one nobody wants to hear. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ryan Deiss, CEO of Digital Marketer and one of the most respected authorities in modern marketing. Ryan shares the brutal lesson he learned sitting at a bar with a quarter million dollars in debt, the napkin that changed everything, and why the principles that saved his business contradict nearly every marketing trend being sold today. This conversation strips away the hacks and shortcuts to reveal what actually determines who wins in any market, why weak businesses fail faster with good marketing, and how the most successful entrepreneurs think about growth, identity, and what success really means. Here's what you'll learn: Why the entrepreneur who can spend the most to acquire a customer always wins, and how to engineer your business to do exactly that How to recognize when chasing marketing tricks is costing you more than it's gaining you, and what to focus on instead What separates entrepreneurs who scale successfully from those who burn out or plateau along the way Marketing without a solid foundation is just expensive noise. ---- Show Notes: 03:44 – The unexpected lesson from selling a $14 ebook and thinking beyond a one-time sale 04:58 – Why entrepreneurs need the dangerous mix of naivete and overconfidence to get started 08:30 – The back-of-a-napkin decision that changed everything 10:40 – How simplifying the business model led to the first $1 million year 15:32 – The real metric that matters in marketing and why most people focus on the wrong one 17:19 – Marketing as an amplifier and why it can't fix a broken business 25:46 – Why great marketing must get people to not just notice, but stare 31:00 – The patterns behind the least successful entrepreneurs 39:40 – How Ryan defines success and the power of optionality ---- Links & Resources: Digital Marketer Viktor Frankl Vincent Van Gogh Pablo Picasso ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 211. Pat Flynn — Superfans: How to Stand Out, Grow Your Tribe, and Build a Successful Business 180. Seth Godin — Putting Your Best Work Out Into the World 29. Billy Gene Shaw — Entertain, Educate, Execute: How to Dominate on Social Media
What if the reason you're not achieving extraordinary results isn't because you're doing too little, but because you're doing too much? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Jay Papasan, Vice President at Keller Williams Realty and bestselling author of The One Thing: The Surprisingly Simple Truth Behind Extraordinary Results. Jay breaks down why the popular concept of balance is a fallacy, how multitasking is actually killing your productivity, and why discipline is not what you think it is. From understanding the truth about willpower to mastering the focusing question that changes everything, this conversation delivers a master class in achieving more by doing less. Here's what you'll learn: Why multitasking is a lie that's costing you 28% of your day and lowering your IQ by 11 points How to use selective discipline and the 66-day habit formation principle to make success automatic What the focusing question is and how it creates clarity around your most leveraged activities Want to achieve extraordinary results? This episode shows you exactly how to get there. ---- Show Notes: 03:52 – The origin story of The One Thing, from a 14-page handwritten essay to a bestselling book 05:59 – Why focusing on one thing is such a challenge despite being simple 09:01 – Walking through the process of using extreme Pareto to narrow down priorities 13:04 – Debunking the myth of multitasking and why it's costing you 28% of your day 19:36 – The Green Beret story: how training creates habits that last decades 28:26 – Defining willpower as different from discipline and why it's a limited resource 30:16 – A powerful study on parole judges that proves willpower depletion is real 36:47 – Counterbalancing instead of balance and why it matters for business and life 47:23 – How purpose gives you direction and a clear sense of priority ---- Links & Resources: The One Thing by Jay Papasan Atomic Habits by James Clear Better Than Before by Gretchen Rubin Willpower Doesn't Work by Benjamin Hardy Grit by Angela Duckworth Eat That Frog by Brian Tracy The Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod The Pareto Principle ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm 334. Dr. Benjamin Hardy — From Limiting Beliefs to Limitless Potential: A Guide to Personal Growth 78. Dr. Katy Milkman — How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be
If you're carrying the same problems into the new year, it's not because you don't know what to do. It's because you've been avoiding the hard calls. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill kick off the new year by answering real questions from law firm owners submitted during our Crisp workshops. These are not theoretical leadership conversations. They are real scenarios about bad hires, private equity pressure, painful lessons, and the habits required to lead at a higher level in 2026. If you're entering the new year with uncertainty about your decisions, your team, or your direction, this episode brings clarity to what actually matters. Here's what you'll learn: Why keeping the wrong person on your team costs more than the discomfort of letting them go How to think about private equity without fear and what actually makes a firm competitive What leadership habits matter most in 2026, including extending your time horizon and protecting sleep quality This is not a motivational reset. It's a reality check for the year ahead. ---- 02:14 – The bad apple problem and why keeping the wrong person always costs more 04:25 – The real question leaders avoid when it comes to firing decisions 05:00 – How to think about private equity without fear or distraction 08:55 – What actually makes a law firm competitive long-term 09:06 – Why pain is the fastest teacher and how lessons really stick 12:33 – Extending your time horizon to reduce stress and make better decisions 15:23 – Why sleep, recovery, and clarity are leadership advantages 17:25 – How to think selfishly in the right way as a firm owner ---- Links & Resources: Private equity Sleep hygiene ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at https://crisp.co/coach ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 377. AMMA — Market Chaos: How to Not Just Survive, But Thrive 240. Jessica Mogill — Why Hiring A-Players is Important
This episode originally aired November 15, 2023 Creating an authentic brand around your business can have a big impact on the growth of your firm. Don't be afraid to step out of your comfort zone. As a Miami native, attorney Amanda Demanda stands up to big insurance companies and businesses in pursuit of justice. She focuses her practice specifically on representing people injured due to the negligence or unsafe practices of others. Amanda firmly believes that products, places, and health care are made safer through lawsuits that shed light upon unsafe products and practices. On this week's episode, Maria sits down with Amanda to discuss creating a stand-out brand, not being afraid to break norms, diversifying marketing, and working with the Spanish and elder communities. Key Takeaways Your professional brand doesn't have to be your personal brand. Everyone associates Amanda Demanda with her pink brand, but it's not her favorite color. She picked a color she knew would stand out in the space. What works for your brand will be different than what works for you personally. Do some market research before making a decision. Diversify your marketing efforts. Don't just focus on one form of advertising. There are many forms of both digital and print marketing. Amanda's Instagram was deleted through no fault of her own. If that had been her only platform, she would have been in a lot of trouble. Don't fall into that trap. Know your demographics. Amanda Demanda knows how to cater to her large Spanish and elder community followings. Figure out your target audience and know how to best reach and represent them. To connect with Amanda, follow her on Instagram @amandademandalaw Other episodes you might enjoy: 3. Chad Dudley - Lead With Passion: Build On Strength 5. Gary Sarner - Trust and Exposure: The Secret Promise of Media Campaigns 11. Amanda Baggett - Outshine the Competition: Authentic Branding and Wise Spending Previous Guests: James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, David Bayer, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Dan Ambrose, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sahm Manouchehri, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Gary Sarner, and more. 00:00 Intro 01:22 Amanda's TV studio 01:54 About Amanda's name 02:40 Amanda's law firm origin 05:05 Building a brand 23:48 Dealing with fame 28:46 Social media 30:56 Company growth 33:03 Diversifying marketing 40:36 Targeting the hispanic community 42:38 Customer experience 49:04 Outro #law #lawfirm #lawyer #legal #growth #success #branding #brandawareness #pink #hispanic #spanish #advertising #marketing
This episode originally aired November 15, 2023 Creating an authentic brand around your business can have a big impact on the growth of your firm. Don't be afraid to step out of your comfort zone. As a Miami native, attorney Amanda Demanda stands up to big insurance companies and businesses in pursuit of justice. She focuses her practice specifically on representing people injured due to the negligence or unsafe practices of others. Amanda firmly believes that products, places, and health care are made safer through lawsuits that shed light upon unsafe products and practices. On this week's episode, Maria sits down with Amanda to discuss creating a stand-out brand, not being afraid to break norms, diversifying marketing, and working with the Spanish and elder communities. Key Takeaways Your professional brand doesn't have to be your personal brand. Everyone associates Amanda Demanda with her pink brand, but it's not her favorite color. She picked a color she knew would stand out in the space. What works for your brand will be different than what works for you personally. Do some market research before making a decision. Diversify your marketing efforts. Don't just focus on one form of advertising. There are many forms of both digital and print marketing. Amanda's Instagram was deleted through no fault of her own. If that had been her only platform, she would have been in a lot of trouble. Don't fall into that trap. Know your demographics. Amanda Demanda knows how to cater to her large Spanish and elder community followings. Figure out your target audience and know how to best reach and represent them. To connect with Amanda, follow her on Instagram @amandademandalaw Other episodes you might enjoy: 3. Chad Dudley - Lead With Passion: Build On Strength 5. Gary Sarner - Trust and Exposure: The Secret Promise of Media Campaigns 11. Amanda Baggett - Outshine the Competition: Authentic Branding and Wise Spending Previous Guests: James (TopDog) Helm, Gary Dordick, Joe Volta, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Raymond Mieszaniec, David Bayer, Kurt Zaner, Joe Fried, Sean Claggett, Justin Watkins, Mauro Fiore, Mark Bratt, Glen Lerner, Rick Ferri, Dan Ambrose, Teresa Diep, Taly Goody, Sahm Manouchehri, Bibi Fell, Kenny Habetz, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert, Ali Awad, Chava Mercado, Amanda Baggett, Muhammad Ramadan, Lena Haviland, Gary Sarner, and more. 00:00 Intro 01:22 Amanda's TV studio 01:54 About Amanda's name 02:40 Amanda's law firm origin 05:05 Building a brand 23:48 Dealing with fame 28:46 Social media 30:56 Company growth 33:03 Diversifying marketing 40:36 Targeting the hispanic community 42:38 Customer experience 49:04 Outro #law #lawfirm #lawyer #legal #growth #success #branding #brandawareness #pink #hispanic #spanish #advertising #marketing
The difference between those who scale and those who stall isn't talent. It's the willingness to act when every instinct says quit. In the Season 6 finale of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill revisits the most powerful conversations from 2025. From David Kolbe's insights on understanding your instinctive strengths to James Amaro's blueprint for building accountability culture, James Lawrence's discipline in mastering discomfort, Verne Harnish's framework for scaling past plateaus, and Kat Cole's philosophy of relentless self-improvement, this episode distills the season's most actionable wisdom into one comprehensive guide for growth. Here's what you'll learn: Why understanding your conative strengths can prevent years of burnout and misalignment in your career and your team How deliberate discomfort and daily disciplines train your mind to refuse quitting when adversity hits What it takes to build an accountability culture that drives KPIs without sacrificing team morale or losing top talent The leaders who dominate 2026 will be the ones who stopped waiting and started executing on what they already know they should be doing. ---- 3:04 — David Kolbe explains the four action modes and how understanding your conative strengths changes everything 9:57 — Why your Kolbe result doesn't change over time and what that means for your career 13:16 — James Amaro shares how he rebuilt his firm from 6 people to over 80 after losing almost everything 17:07 — The accountability culture that took profit from 5% to 34% 23:24 — Triathlete James Lawrence reveals his genetic testing results 28:17 — Mental toughness requires doing activities you hate 36:32 — Verne Harnish on why ambitious goals drive energy while attainable goals kill it 42:09 — Founder Mode: why you can delegate everything except the soul of your business 52:18 — Kat Cole's journey from Hooters hostess to leading billion-dollar brands 56:44 — “The Hotshot Rule” for relentless improvement ---- Links & Resources: Kolbe Assessment Amaro Law Firm James Lawrence (Iron Cowboy) Iron Hope Verne Harnish Scaling Up AG1 ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at https://crisp.co/coach ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 423: How to Actually Scale Your Standards Episode 404: The Dangers of Premature Growth with Eric Siu Episode 365: Discipline Is a Daily Decision
This episode originally aired on November 1st, 2023. Having the odds stacked against you doesn't mean giving up. Finding your path may be tough, but with hard work and determination, the possibilities are endless. Gary has held the record for the highest jury verdicts in numerous courthouses, including a staggering $125 million-dollar jury verdict in Ventura County in 2016. He went directly from high school to law school, never attending college. He put himself through a four-year night program while working at a law office, where he started as a file room clerk. Immediately after passing the bar, Mr. Dordick opened his own law firm, starting out with no employees. Now, Dordick Law Corporation has three locations, fifty-six employees, and eighteen lawyers, including his three kids, Michelle, Dylan, and Taylor, as associate lawyers. On this week's episode, Maria sits down with Gary Dordick as they discuss what it means to be healthy at 60, how he found his path through martial arts, working with his kids, and how he sees the future of law. Key takeaways College isn't everything. Not going to college doesn't mean not being successful. Carve your own path, learn from others, and take advantage of every opportunity. Don't spoil your kids. Even though you may want to give them everything you didn't have, it's ok to hold some things back. Teach them lessons about the value of money and let them see how hard work and grit can lead to a more fulfilling life. Try new things. Don't be afraid to take a chance. You may find your view completely changed after giving it a try. To connect with Gary, visit his website https://dordicklaw.com/ Previous Guests: Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Bob Simon, Gary Sarner, Jen Gore-Cuthbert, Muhammad Ramadan, Amanda Baggett, Sara Williams, Joe Fried, Bibi Fell, Sahm Manouchehri, Sevy Fisher, Taly Goody, Teresa Diep, Dan Ambrose, Rick Ferri, Glen Lerner, and many others Other episodes you might enjoy: 2. The 2 Billion Dollar Man: Lessons from 30 Years of Law 27. Find Your Footing: Growing Confidence and Prioritizing Health 50. Optimizing Your Health and Your Law Firm #law #lawfirm #lawyer #triallawyer #triallawyer #legal #personalinjurylawyer #personalinjuryattorneys #health #healthylifestyle #family #familytime #familyfun #personalinjuryattorneys 00:00 Intro 01:09 Staying healthy at 61 06:03 Martial arts changed my life 08:06 My kid's path to law 12:54 Big shoes to fill 14:02 Ambition and the value of money 17:38 Keep your kids close 20:18 The future of law 22:15 Outro
This episode originally aired on November 1st, 2023. Having the odds stacked against you doesn't mean giving up. Finding your path may be tough, but with hard work and determination, the possibilities are endless. Gary has held the record for the highest jury verdicts in numerous courthouses, including a staggering $125 million-dollar jury verdict in Ventura County in 2016. He went directly from high school to law school, never attending college. He put himself through a four-year night program while working at a law office, where he started as a file room clerk. Immediately after passing the bar, Mr. Dordick opened his own law firm, starting out with no employees. Now, Dordick Law Corporation has three locations, fifty-six employees, and eighteen lawyers, including his three kids, Michelle, Dylan, and Taylor, as associate lawyers. On this week's episode, Maria sits down with Gary Dordick as they discuss what it means to be healthy at 60, how he found his path through martial arts, working with his kids, and how he sees the future of law. Key takeaways College isn't everything. Not going to college doesn't mean not being successful. Carve your own path, learn from others, and take advantage of every opportunity. Don't spoil your kids. Even though you may want to give them everything you didn't have, it's ok to hold some things back. Teach them lessons about the value of money and let them see how hard work and grit can lead to a more fulfilling life. Try new things. Don't be afraid to take a chance. You may find your view completely changed after giving it a try. To connect with Gary, visit his website https://dordicklaw.com/ Previous Guests: Joe Volta, Ed Ciarimboli, Michael Mogill, Jay Vaughn, Andre Regard, Bob Simon, Mark Anderson, Chad Dudley, Bob Simon, Gary Sarner, Jen Gore-Cuthbert, Muhammad Ramadan, Amanda Baggett, Sara Williams, Joe Fried, Bibi Fell, Sahm Manouchehri, Sevy Fisher, Taly Goody, Teresa Diep, Dan Ambrose, Rick Ferri, Glen Lerner, and many others Other episodes you might enjoy: 2. The 2 Billion Dollar Man: Lessons from 30 Years of Law 27. Find Your Footing: Growing Confidence and Prioritizing Health 50. Optimizing Your Health and Your Law Firm #law #lawfirm #lawyer #triallawyer #triallawyer #legal #personalinjurylawyer #personalinjuryattorneys #health #healthylifestyle #family #familytime #familyfun #personalinjuryattorneys 00:00 Intro 01:09 Staying healthy at 61 06:03 Martial arts changed my life 08:06 My kid's path to law 12:54 Big shoes to fill 14:02 Ambition and the value of money 17:38 Keep your kids close 20:18 The future of law 22:15 Outro
What you let into your life matters just as much as what you work on. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the books, habits, tools, and experiences that actually added value to their lives this year. From business and fiction reads to recovery, breathwork, entertainment, and everyday performance habits, this conversation cuts through recommendations and trends to focus on what held up in real life. Here's what you'll learn: What habits and tools actually improve your sleep, recovery, and day-to-day energy How to be more intentional with your downtime and choose entertainment that's genuinely worth your time Which books, apps, and routines will continue to add value as your life gets fuller and more demanding If you're going to be selective about anything, be selective about what earns a place in your life. ---- 03:01 – Why most business books stop being useful and the one Michael keeps rereading 05:12 – The fiction book that pulled Michael back into reading and why it worked 06:41 – How Michael chooses movies and shows that are actually worth the time 09:56 – Why this was a standout year for gaming and the underdog game that won everything 12:31 – The recovery gadget Michael thought was a gimmick but now uses consistently 14:09 – Breathwork, daily clarity, and the app that made the habit measurable 16:14 – Sleep, meal timing, and the change that most improved daily decision making 23:07 – The productivity app that dramatically reduced screen time 26:53 – The AI experience that genuinely felt like stepping into the future 31:31 – The documentary that had a lasting emotional impact 34:56 – The snack Michael relies on and why NFL teams consume thousands of them 38:36 – Closing reflections on being more selective with what earns space in your life ---- Links & Resources: Michael Mogill's Favorites Roundup: Gear, Books, Games, Tech, and Wellness Essentials The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir F1 Mr. Robot Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 “Don't Let Me Drown” by Burna Boy a16z Podcast Murph Workout Nike x Hyperice Hyperboot Yudemon HRV App AG1's AGZ Episode 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus Bryan Johnson Opal NewYorkTurk Nex Playground ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 402, How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edge with Dave Asprey 123. Game Changing Authors: Lessons from Best-Selling Writers
What if the only thing standing between you and the next level is the courage to ignore the experts? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kara Goldin, Founder of Hint Water and bestselling author of Undaunted, to reveal what it really takes to build a brand, a company, and a category from the ground up. From rejection and industry pushback to Goliath competitors and well-meaning “experts” who swear your idea won't work, this conversation is a blueprint for staying unshakably committed to your vision, even when no one else understands it. Here's what you'll learn: Why bold ideas are doubted before they're celebrated — and how to push forward anyway How to distinguish genuine insight from the limiting beliefs of others What it takes to stay persistent when you're creating something no one has ever done before If you want a real-world example of what unwavering commitment can create, this episode is it. ---- Show Notes: 04:32 — Why Kara says she never would have started Hint if she knew how difficult the journey would be. 06:34 — What it took to create a completely new beverage category and convince buyers it mattered. 08:57 — The moment a senior Coca-Cola executive dismissed her idea and told her Americans “love sweet.” 12:51 — How Kara learned to separate genuine expertise from limiting beliefs disguised as advice. 16:06 — What watching Ted Turner build CNN taught her about conviction and pursuing ideas others doubt. 22:01 — How giving up Diet Coke for her own health became the unexpected catalyst for creating Hint. 30:56 — How little she actually knew about the beverage industry and why that ignorance helped her innovate. 35:25 — How landing Starbucks became a breakthrough moment that suddenly reversed without warning. 39:07 — Why Kara believes dark days don't last forever and how unexpected opportunities follow adversity. Links & Resources: Hint Water Undaunted by Kara Goldin Ted Turner Steve Jobs ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 262. Roland Frasier — The Secret to Scale: How to Grow Your Business 193. Dan Fleyshman — Just Get Started: A Serial Entrepreneur's Secret to Success 172. Marcus Lemonis — The Three Keys to Business: People, Process, and Product
You can outwork a lot of things, but you can't outwork bad sleep. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Michael Breus, renowned clinical psychologist and sleep expert, to break down the science, strategy, and psychology behind truly restorative sleep. From understanding your body's nightly repair cycle to optimizing your environment for peak recovery, this conversation is a masterclass in reclaiming your energy, focus, and longevity. Here's what you'll learn: Why sleep impacts every organ system — and how your body repairs physical and emotional stress while you rest How to determine your optimal sleep amount (and whether you're actually getting enough) What it takes to create a truly high-performance sleep environment and avoid the traps that wreck recovery If you want to win tomorrow, it starts with how you recover tonight. ---- Show Notes: 02:57 — Sleep 101: what deep sleep and REM actually do (physical repair vs. emotional “metabolism”) and why the glymphatic system matters. 10:26 — There's no one-size-fits-all “optimal” sleep — how to know your right amount and when low sleep becomes a red flag for underlying disorders. 15:16 — Sleep debt and social jet lag: when catching up works (teens) and when it backfires for adults. 18:06 — The “napa-latte” and smart napping: how to use short naps and caffeine to survive a bad night without sabotaging the next one. 20:02 — The sleep system audit: mattress, pillow, air quality, light, sound, and temperature — the practical adjustments that move the needle. 29:29 — Which gadgets help vs. harm: why mouth tape is dangerous, when nasal dilators work, and the limits of sleep trackers. 32:34 — Alcohol and meal timing: how much, how early, and the three-hour rule to protect your deep sleep. 39:00 — Caffeine and cannabis timing: caffeine's half-life, green tea/matcha alternatives, and how THC/CBD impact REM and HRV. 45:06 — Supplements decoded: magnesium, vitamin D, and why most people don't need nightly melatonin — plus important dosing pitfalls. 51:09 — Creatine and sleep deprivation: what current research actually supports (and what it doesn't). ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Michael Breus Sleep, Drink, Breathe: Simple Daily Habits for Profound Long-Term Health by Dr. Michael Breus Orion Sleep Oura Ring WHOOP Strap ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 399. AMMA — Why Sleep and Nutrition Are Secret Weapons for Scaling Firms 396. Why High Performers Can't Afford to Ignore Wellness with Dr. Taz Bhatia 125. Health Hackers: Mastering Habits to Operate at Peak Performance
Most people want growth, but they surround themselves with people who quietly convince them to slow down. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill pulls back the curtain on what leadership really demands when the decisions you make are unpopular, misunderstood, or impossible to explain. From the hidden weight leaders carry to the emotional price of high standards, Michael breaks down why the toughest calls often define your future more than your biggest wins. If you have ever questioned whether doing the right thing was worth the fallout, this conversation will hit home. Here's what you'll learn: Why great leaders are often criticized for decisions no one else has the full context for How to deliver tough feedback without sacrificing trust, connection, or standards What it takes to stay focused on long-term growth without being influenced by complacent people If you want to rise above the noise, start by refusing to lower your standards for anyone. ---- 01:44 — How Michael and Jessica celebrate after the Summit with pizza, and an intentional return to routine the next morning. 04:06 — Why the reward for work done well is often greater responsibility and higher expectations. 05:22 — How human biology pushes us toward comfort and why resisting that instinct is essential for growth. 07:12 — How listeners consume the AMA in wildly different ways and why Michael keeps the show ad-free as a way to pay it forward. 07:50 — The part of leadership no one warns you about, where you make decisions others will not understand and still carry the blame. 10:18 — How holding someone accountable reflects deeper care than avoiding the hard feedback they need to grow. 13:22 — Why ego is often the biggest barrier to improvement and how people rationalize away criticism that could actually help them advance. 16:57 — Why your leadership style must align with your authentic values instead of whatever culture trend is circulating online. 21:26 — How the culture you build determines who you attract, who you repel, and the pace at which your organization can grow. ---- Links & Resources: Robert Herjavec Radical Candor by Kim Scott ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 275. Kim Scott — The Power of Radical Respect 245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss
What if the greatest victories of your life are not the ones the world celebrates, but the ones no one ever sees? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with three-time Olympic gymnast Dominique Dawes to explore the true cost of world-class performance and what it really takes to build a life defined by purpose, not pressure. From her history-making Olympic journey to rebuilding the sport from the inside out, Dominique reveals the sacrifices, struggles, and pivotal moments that shaped her mission to create a healthier culture for the next generation. Here's what you'll learn: Why greatness requires sacrifice and how to decide which sacrifices are actually worth it How to transform pain, pressure, and adversity into a mission that serves others What it takes to build a purpose-driven business without losing yourself or your family in the process If you are striving for excellence that lasts, this conversation will challenge you to rethink what winning really means. ---- Show Notes: 04:56 — Dominique describes the grueling daily training schedule that made her want to quit. 06:45 — She explains why young gymnasts often sacrifice their entire childhood for less than five minutes on the Olympic stage. 08:44 — Dominique shares why gold medals do not make her top ten life moments and what truly matters more. 14:22 — She reflects on signing a lease before the pandemic and pushing through the uncertainty that followed. 17:21 — Dominique discusses expanding her academy and how her daughter telling her she was working too much changed everything. 20:14 — She explains how motherhood shifted her definition of success and forced her to re-evaluate priorities. 24:32 — Dominique talks about why relentless achievement can lead to burnout and what real balance looks like. 32:44 — She contrasts old-school coaching adversity with the healthier culture she's building at her academies. ---- Links & Resources: Dominique Dawes Gymnastics and Ninja Academy Larry Nassar Simone Biles ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 401. AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael Mogill Playbook 293. Elite Athletes — The Mental Edge: How Champions Overcome the Impossible 207. Patty McCord — How to Build a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility
What if the thing that makes your business unforgettable has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the people and purpose behind it? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Steve Carse, founder of King of Pops, to unpack how an idea became one of Atlanta's most beloved brands. From pushing a single cart up the street to producing tens of thousands of pops a day, Steve shares what it really takes to build a culture-driven company, stay relevant, and scale without losing your identity. Here's what you'll learn: Why true differentiation starts with curiosity, courage, and a willingness to stand out How to build a brand that grows through authentic community connection What it takes to scale culture, empower your team, and expand into new markets Want to build something people rave about and love doing it? This episode shows you what it requires. ---- Show Notes: 02:34 — Steve shares why showing up consistently matters more than talent or timing 03:52 — The early fear that King of Pops might be a fad and how they pushed through uncertainty 07:30 — How artisan-level craft, sourcing, and process became their lasting competitive advantage 09:40 — The moment Steve realized the brand was becoming something bigger than a seasonal idea 12:36 — The challenge of scaling a beloved local brand into unfamiliar markets 14:07 — How COVID unexpectedly unlocked a new business model and created the cartrepreneur movement 19:39 — Why culture must be driven from the front and why leaders must care more than anyone else 38:24 — How becoming a parent changed Steve's leadership, perspective, and purpose ---- Links & Resources: King of Pops Work Is Fun by Steve Carse ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actually Works 370. — Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish 338. Will Ahmed — From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey
What would your life look like if you stopped seeing limitations as roadblocks and started seeing them as opportunities? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kyle Maynard, world record-holding athlete, entrepreneur, speaker, best-selling author, and featured speaker at the 2025 Game Changers Summit, who was born without arms or legs yet has achieved what most would consider impossible. From climbing Mount Kilimanjaro to becoming a champion wrestler and mixed martial artist, Kyle shares the mindset that has allowed him to turn obstacles into fuel. This conversation is a masterclass in perseverance, perspective, and possibility. Here's what you'll learn: Why your limitations don't define you, your mindset does How to build resilience through struggle and discipline What it takes to face fear, failure, and discomfort head-on If you have ever doubted your potential, this episode will remind you that your only real limitation is belief. ---- Show Notes: 03:22 — Kyle shares how his parents' mindset shaped his view on adversity 04:10 — The story of how learning to eat independently changed his life 07:07 — Early lessons from football and why losing 35 matches taught him more than winning ever could 09:42 — What finally led to his first wrestling victory, and how it changed his confidence 10:58 — The long road from failure to becoming a nationally ranked wrestler 12:05 — Lessons from sports that shaped his business and leadership philosophy 12:32 — How training with UFC champion Forrest Griffin pushed him to new limits 17:13 — The climb up Mount Kilimanjaro and what it taught him about purpose and possibility ---- Links & Resources: Kyle Maynard No Excuses: The True Story of a Congenital Amputee Who Became a Champion in Wrestling and in Life by Kyle Maynard A Fighting Chance (2009) ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You'd Never Guess with James Lawrence 314. AMMA — Turning Trials into Triumphs: The Art of Resilient Leadership 210. AMMA — Failure Isn't Final: Lessons Learned From Setbacks and Struggles
What happens when the nation's most successful law firm owners debate where the legal industry is headed next? As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we're revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the Law Firm of the Future panel live from the 2022 Game Changers Summit, where Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Anthony Johnson, Bob Tharp, and Eric Chaffin for an unfiltered conversation about the forces reshaping the legal industry and what it takes to lead in the next era. Here's what you'll learn: Why Wall Street's arrival in legal services could transform how firms grow and compete How to use data, KPIs, and culture to strengthen your firm's foundation before outside investors do What it takes to future-proof your business in an era of automation, consolidation, and client-driven expectations The future of law isn't waiting — it's already here. Are you ready to lead it? ---- Show Notes: 03:04 – Anthony Johnson explains why the legal industry's lag in adopting technology will soon give way to rapid automation and smarter processes. 04:44 – Alexander Shunnarah shares how private equity and ABS investment are already reshaping the legal marketplace. 05:35 – Bob Tharp urges firm owners to overcome their fear of KPIs and treat data as the foundation of every decision. 06:32 – Eric Chaffin reveals how “doing good by doing right” became his firm's rallying call and culture cornerstone. 08:19 – Anthony Johnson breaks down why data has surpassed oil in value and how information drives better firm strategy. 10:22 – Bob Tharp predicts the end of the billable hour and explains why clients will demand flat-rate pricing and cost transparency. 17:18 – Alexander Shunnarah discusses his firm's evolution from pre-litigation to a full trial practice — and why brand integrity matters. 19:58 – Eric Chaffin shares a deeply personal story of overcoming adversity, proving that humility and vulnerability are essential to leadership. ---- Links & Resources: Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys Anthony Johnson Bob Tharp Eric Chaffin Rocket Lawyer ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 204. Alexander Shunnarah — The Thin Line Between Success and Failure 57. Bob Tharp — 1% Better Every Day
What does it take to build a brand so strong it outlasts markets, competitors, and entire eras of legal marketing? As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12-13, we're revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of the Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the legendary Power Players Panel live from the 2021 Game Changers Summit. Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Roopal Luhana, Joe Fried, and Harlan Schillinger, four industry icons who have redefined leadership, innovation, and influence in the legal world. From personal transformation and authenticity to the rise of digital dominance and firm ownership shifts, this discussion uncovers how the best continue to rise while others fall behind. Here's what you'll learn: Why staying on top requires constant reinvention and relentless commitment to growth How to build credibility and client loyalty through honesty and exceptional service What it takes to future-proof your firm in an era of non-lawyer ownership and corporate disruption These are the voices shaping the next generation of law, and this conversation will show you how to stand among them. ---- Show Notes: 03:03 – Roopal Luhana shares why aligning with Pittsburgh Steeler Najee Harris reflects her firm's values and mission of giving back 05:04 – Joe Fried explains how consistency, purpose, and fear management shaped his dominance in trucking law 09:26 – Alexander Shunnarah reveals why staying on top is harder than getting there and how constant reinvention keeps his brand strong 11:42 – Harlan Schillinger discusses why retirement is a myth and how passion and purpose fuel lasting success 15:40 – Joe Fried opens up about his personal evolution toward honesty and vulnerability in and out of the courtroom 28:33 – The panel explores non-lawyer firm ownership, hedge fund influence, and the digital future of law firms 36:54 – Roopal Luhana and Alexander Shunnarah emphasize how client experience and service obsession create long-term loyalty 44:25 – Each panelist shares the worst advice they've ever received and what they learned from it Links & Resources: Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys Chaffin Luhana LLP Fried Goldberg LLC Harlan Schillinger Consulting Najee Harris Foundation (Da' Bigger Picture Foundation) Joey Coleman, Never Lose a Customer Again Trial Lawyers College Crisp Game Changers Summit ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actually Works 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 204. Alexander Shunnarah — The Thin Line Between Success and Failure
What if the only thing standing between you and the next level is the courage to take one more risk? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill and Jessica Mogill confront the real drivers behind success, risk, and sacrifice. As the 2025 Game Changers Summit approaches, they explore why some firm owners seem lucky while others stay stuck, and what it actually means to bet on yourself when the outcome is uncertain. This episode challenges every assumption about safety, comfort, and what it takes to build something truly exceptional. Here's what you'll learn: Why the firms that appear lucky are often the ones making the most courageous long-term bets How to break free from herd mentality and stand out in even the most competitive markets What it takes to achieve exceptional results without waiting for perfect timing or permission If you are ready to stop playing it safe, this episode will show you what happens when you finally bet on yourself. ---- 01:52 – How the Game Changers Summit began and grew from 100 to 500 attendees 02:55 – The evolution of the Summit into a members-only, sold-out experience 04:08 – Why keeping speakers secret creates a one-of-a-kind experience for Crisp Coach members 06:25 – Is success really about luck, or is it about courage and risk? 09:59 – The habits and reinvestment mindset that separate nine-figure firms from everyone else 12:45 – Why following the herd keeps your firm invisible in a crowded market 13:31 – How to differentiate and dominate without competing on the same message as everyone else 16:47 – What exceptional results really cost and why most people are not willing to pay the price ---- Links & Resources: Game Changers Summit Crisp Coach Program David Goggins Mercedes-Benz Stadium ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 405. AMMA — What it Takes to 10x Everything 344. Scott Monge. Beyond the Billboards: Crafting a Standout Legal Brand 305. John Morgan — Luck, Hustle, and the Art of Disruption: Building America's Largest Law Firm
You don't deserve to go to the next level until you beat the current one. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Siu, entrepreneur, investor, and author of Leveling Up. From esports to business, Eric has turned the lessons of gaming into a powerful framework for growth, resilience, and long-term success. Together, they explore how to reframe pain into fuel, why mindset compounds like interest, and what it truly takes to keep leveling up in life and business. Here's what you'll learn: How to turn setbacks and psychological pain into power-ups for growth Why focusing on endurance, grit, and long-term bets separates winners from the rest The mindset shifts that transform gaming lessons into real world business advantages The ultimate game is not business or gaming. It is learning how to keep leveling up every single day. ---- Show Notes: 02:39 – How gaming built resilience, teamwork, and skills Eric now applies to business 05:45 – Why gaming, Bitcoin, and other trends are dismissed as “toys” before going mainstream 07:10 – The power of community and how EverQuest shaped Eric's mindset 08:59 – Defining “power ups” and how habits and mental models fuel growth 13:55 – Why patience and endurance are essential for compounding success 20:48 – Building a brand by teaching, sharing, and learning in public 22:49 – How focus beats shiny object syndrome and leads to faster success Links & Resources: Leveling Up: How to Master the Game of Life by Eric Siu Atomic Habits by James Clear Naval Ravikant Warren Buffett Farnam Street – The Knowledge Project Podcast EverQuest and StarCraft ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. —- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 402. How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edge with Dave Asprey 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You'd Never Guess with James Lawrence 332. Cliff Bleszinski — What the Legal Industry Can Learn From the Gaming Industry
What if the biggest advantage in business and life is not money, strategy, or luck, but the way you fuel and control your own biology? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dave Asprey, widely known as the father of biohacking. From shedding 100 pounds after years of failed diets to reversing early signs of aging, Dave has invested millions into understanding how the human body really works and how to bend those rules in your favor. You will hear how fasting, neuroscience, and high-ROI health practices can help you eliminate brain fog, unlock consistent energy, and give you a competitive edge that others cannot match. Here's what you'll learn: Why fasting sharpens your mind and boosts energy How to measure the ROI of daily habits The biohacks top performers use to stay ahead If you want the unfair edge in business and life, it starts with mastering your biology. ---- Show Notes: 02:35 – The struggle with weight, brain fog, and failed diets that started it all 04:57 – Discovering that most health advice is dogma, not science 05:58 – The “bulletproof” state and how abundant energy changes everything 08:49 – Fasting explained and why it matters for focus and resilience 10:22 – Intermittent fasting as a path to metabolic resilience 13:50 – Autophagy, cellular repair, and why most people run on limited energy 18:20 – The three biological drivers that steal focus: fear, food, and fertility Links & Resources: WHOOP Eight Sleep LeBron James Michael Phelps Intermittent fasting Bulletproof ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 364. How to Train Your Brain for Unbelievable Success 323. James Lawrence — The Power of One More: A Journey of Grit and Determination 293. Elite Athletes — The Mental Edge: How Champions Overcome The Impossible
What if the keys to becoming a better CEO were hiding in the way you show up as a father? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill shift from strategy to storytelling and get personal. From showing up as mystery readers in their daughter's classroom to rewatching KPop Demon Hunters on repeat, Michael shares how fatherhood has shaped his values, his leadership, and the legacy he wants to leave. He also talks about the video games that shaped his mindset and reveals the surprising ways he uses AI in his personal life to improve his health, habits, and decision-making. Here's what you'll learn: Why choosing presence over productivity can create more impact in the long run What Michael's favorite video games say about how he thinks, leads, and solves problems How AI helps him stay sharp, build better routines, and prepare for his next triathlon A straightforward look at how Michael approaches parenting, hobbies, and personal development. ---- 01:45 – Why reading to a first-grade class was more nerve-wracking than speaking at a Summit 03:37 – The books Michael and Jessica chose, and what they taught the kids about mindset and choices 04:27 – Why being a mystery reader matters more than missing a meeting 06:03 – What Michael has learned from being a girl dad 12:22 – Michael's top video games of all time and what they reveal about how he thinks 19:54 – Why hobbies like gaming are critical for high performers 20:15 – How Michael uses AI to improve decisions, habits, and health 24:45 – The key ingredient that makes AI actually valuable in your personal life Links & Resources: The Power to Choose Amelia Bedelia American Kingpin by Nick Bilton The Power of the Dog by Don Winslow The Road by Cormac McCarthy Video Games Chrono Trigger The Last of Us Half-Life Cyberpunk 2077 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Red Dead Redemption 2 Death Stranding 2 Expedition 33 Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Ghost of Tsushima 2 Call of Duty TV & Film Mr. Robot Children of Men The Road (film adaptation) Blade Runner AI Tools & Technology ChatGPT (OpenAI) Gemini (Google) Grok (xAI) Claude (Anthropic) ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 394. How to Grow Without Losing Culture (Or Your Sanity) with Varghese Summersett 389. AMMA — Stop Fixing $5 Problems and Start Solving $1M Ones 332. Cliff Bleszinski — What the Legal Industry Can Learn From the Gaming Industry
What if the fastest way to grow your law firm was not about keeping score but about giving more? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Randy Kessler, one of the most recognized family law attorneys in America. With decades of experience, a national reputation, and a client roster that includes athletes, celebrities, and high-profile figures, Randy has built his practice on something most lawyers overlook: generosity. This conversation reveals why giving first is not only the right thing to do but also the most powerful growth strategy in law. Here's what you'll learn: Why abundance-minded attorneys never run out of opportunities How generosity and referrals have fueled Randy's career and reputation The overlooked habits that attract clients, colleagues, and media attention If you want to build a practice that stands the test of time, start by asking not what you can get but what you can give. ---- Show Notes: 02:24 – Why Randy chose family law and how passion shaped his career 05:35 – Building a practice through generosity, referrals, and showing up 07:53 – The Evander Holyfield story and the power of authentic relationships 09:20 – How media presence built his brand and why availability matters more than perfection 13:04 – Why so many marriages fail and the biggest reasons couples get divorced 17:14 – The emotional side of divorce and how judges really make decisions 19:16 – Why networking and referrals are the foundation of Randy's recurring revenue 22:07 – How giving cases to other lawyers became Randy's most underrated growth strategy ---- Links & Resources: Kessler & Solomiany National Football League Buffalo Bills New Orleans Saints Evander Holyfield Atlanta Hawks Laura Wasser Michael Jordan Magic Johnson Kobe Bryant ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 121. Ben Crump — Speaking Truth to Power: The Fight for Social Justice in America 19. Harlan Schillinger — The Future of Legal Marketing
High performers think they can outwork stress — until their bodies prove them wrong. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Taz Bhatia, a nationally recognized integrative medicine physician, to uncover why ignoring your health is the fastest way to sabotage your success. From cortisol spikes and energy crashes to the hidden costs of “powering through,” Dr. Taz reveals why the most ambitious leaders can't afford to treat wellness as optional — and what it really takes to build resilience that lasts. Here's what you'll learn: Why Type-A achievers often miss the early red flags of burnout — and how to spot them in yourself How to design a health plan that fits your lifestyle instead of adding another job to your calendar What it takes to extend not just your lifespan, but your health span, so every year is high performing If you want to keep winning at the highest level, this conversation will show you why performance starts with wellness. ---- Show Notes: 03:11 – Dr. Taz shares her personal health collapse that forced her to rethink conventional medicine 13:57 – The difference between holistic, integrative, and functional medicine 17:35 – Why the U.S. health care system became “sick care” instead of true health care 23:24 – The five bodies of wellness: physical, mental, emotional, energetic, and community 27:22 – Common health challenges high achievers face under chronic stress 30:26 – The red flags of burnout and why powering through makes them worse 36:20 – The hidden dangers of sugar and fad diets 41:33 – How to create a realistic, sustainable wellness plan without making it a full-time job ---- Links & Resources: CenterSpringMD Institute for Functional Medicine Blue Zones ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. —- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 110. Leading Ladies: Four Leaders in Business 132. Summit Spectacular: Part 1 214. Dream Team: How to Hire & Keep High-Performing Talent
What if the future of personal injury law wasn't written by tradition — but by a tech startup? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ray Mieszaniec, Co-Founder and COO of EvenUp, a legal technology company using artificial intelligence to transform how personal injury claims are prepared, resolved, and ultimately valued. From his family's personal experience with catastrophic injury to building the fastest-growing legal tech startup in history, Ray shares how EvenUp is rewriting the rules of PI law through AI, efficiency, and a relentless drive to level the playing field for plaintiffs. Here's what you'll learn: Why Ray's family's tragedy planted the seed for a company now disrupting the PI industry How EvenUp's AI-powered tools are helping firms maximize case values and streamline operations What the rise of autonomous vehicles, fee caps, and private equity mean for the future of PI law — and how firms must adapt now The legal landscape is shifting fast. If you want to see what the next decade of PI law could look like, this episode is your front-row seat. ---- Show Notes: 03:26 – The family tragedy that exposed the imbalance between insurers and victims 07:38 – Founding EvenUp: leveling the playing field with data and AI 11:12 – How missing records and treatment gaps cost firms millions 14:13 – Headwinds in PI law: autonomous vehicles, tort reform, and fee caps 16:19 – How law firms' attitudes toward AI shifted from fear to adoption 19:56 – Building an AI model for PI law and keeping humans in the loop 23:42 – Why efficiency isn't optional if firms want to survive fee caps 35:15 – Ray's definition of being a game changer ---- Links & Resources: EvenUp ABA Journal: AI in Law Tort Reform ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 374. You're Not Too Late: Joe Fried on Finding Purpose in Law 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 355. How Two Lawyers Took on Legal Giants and Won with Spetsas Buist
From pitmaster to business powerhouse, Rodney Scott proves that passion, process, and a relentless commitment to craft can transform not only a career but an entire industry. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with James Beard Award-winning pitmaster Rodney Scott, a man who went from reluctantly tending the family barbecue pit to building a nationally recognized brand. With decades of lessons forged over open flames, Rodney shares how discipline, resilience, and an obsession with detail built his success. From overcoming doubters to scaling his craft across multiple locations, his journey offers timeless wisdom for any law firm leader serious about turning their passion into a lasting legacy. Here's what you'll learn: Why sticking with your craft through decades of hard work creates mastery that shortcuts cannot match How attention to detail turns a good product into an unforgettable experience The leadership mindset shifts needed to scale your business without sacrificing quality Whether you are running a smokehouse or a law firm, Rodney's story is proof that when passion meets process, you can change the game and the world will know your name. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction and Rodney's early life on the farm 04:46 – From no interest in barbecue to finding his passion 05:58 – What makes whole hog barbecue unique and challenging 08:44 – Overcoming doubt and choosing to dream big 13:53 – Landing a feature on Netflix's Chef's Table 18:51 – The art and science of whole hog cooking 22:38 – Training pitmasters and maintaining consistency across restaurants 41:39 – What being a game changer means to Rodney Scott ---- Links & Resources: Jim ‘N Nick's Bar-B-Q Chef's Table (Netflix TV show) Eric Church James Beard Foundation Billions (Showtime TV show) ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 110. Leading Ladies: Four Leaders in Business 132. Summit Spectacular: Part 1 214. Dream Team: How to Hire & Keep High-Performing Talent
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