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When 11 year old Elise Sammis applied for the Food Network's Kids Baking Championship, she didn’t think twice about telling them - right up front - that she lives with type 1 diabetes. She says she wanted everyone to know in order to show that diabetes wouldn't keep her from her love of baking, or anything else. Check out Stacey's new book: The World's Worst Diabetes Mom! Turns out, there's another young woman with type 1 on the show this season! You can learn more about Naima Winston here. Stacey met Elise & her mom, Natalie, at an event in South Carolina. They spoke about the show, the stress and her diagnosis two years ago at Disney world. Join the Diabetes Connections Facebook Group! In TMSG - good news at the dentist - and it wasn’t about cavities.. and we'll share a story of a lot of spirit at Walt Disney World Marathon weekend. This podcast is not intended as medical advice. If you have those kinds of questions, please contact your health care provider. Sign up for our newsletter here ----- Use this link to get one free download and one free month of Audible, available to Diabetes Connections listeners! ----- Get the App and listen to Diabetes Connections wherever you go! Click here for iPhone      Click here for Android Episode transcript (rough transcription, please forgive grammar, spelling, punctuation) -----------Stacey Simms 0:00 Diabetes Connections is brought to you by One Drop created for people with diabetes by people who have diabetes, and by Dexcom take control of your diabetes and live life to the fullest with Dexcom. Announcer: This is diabetes connections with Stacey Simms. Stacey Simms 0:23 This week, when 11 year old Elise Sammis applied for the Food Network's kids Baking Championship. She didn't think twice about telling them right up front - she lives with Type 1 diabetes. Elise Sammis 0:36 No, that was very important to me, because I wanted like everyone to know that if you have diabetes, you can still do the things that you want to do. And it was super cool because there was another girl named Naima. She's my super good friend and she had also had type one, and she's super sweet. And we were both like, yay, we both have type one! Stacey Simms 0:52 That's right. There are two young women with T1D competing on this season of the show. I met Elise at an event recently, and I talked to her and her mom about the show the stress, enter diagnosis at Disney World in Tell me something good. Good news at the dentist and it's not about cavities and a lot of spirit at Walt Disney World marathon weekend. This podcast is not intended as medical advice. If you have those kinds of questions, please contact your health care provider. Welcome to another week of diabetes connections. I am so glad you're here. We aim to educate and inspire about type 1 diabetes by sharing stories of connection. I'm your host Stacey Simms. My son was diagnosed 13 years ago right before he turned two. The show this week is airing a little earlier than usual. Yeah, we almost always drop the interview show the longer show of the week on Tuesday. But because the Kids Baking Championship is on the Food Network on Monday nights. I thought it would just be fun to release the show with Elise on the day of her show. I love the baking shows, and we used to watch them. I feel like it was around the clock for a couple of years my daughter got into them right around the same age as Elise between the ages of like nine and 12. We've watched so many of these baking shows, we made cupcakes, we didn't ever compete. My daughter never wanted to be on TV like that. But it was great. And we certainly got a lot of comments about the cupcakes because I would post them on social media and I'll put some pictures up in the Facebook group because these were, you know, really big. I mean, they weren't beautiful, but they were sharks and cupcakes that look like popcorn and you know, all the dramatic fun stuff. And people would say all the time. Oh, it's too bad that your daughter has that hobby. What are you doing about your son? And I'm like, I'm not letting him eat 17 cupcakes, but I'm not letting her eat 17 cupcakes either. You know, it's fine with Type 1 diabetes, you just have to know exactly what you're eating. Right? It does take extra work. But now go ahead eat the cupcake. And with those memories right in the back of my mind, it was even more fun to talk to Elise and to Natalie It is always a bit dicey talking to reality show contestants. You know, we've done this before, and it is always fun. But it's not just about what they can't say because here obviously they can't talk about the show, even though it's taped weeks and weeks months ago, but because you never know they could win the whole thing. They could be off the show before this episode even airs. But I'm so thrilled that Elise is is one of two girls on the show with Type 1 diabetes and it was great to talk to her and her mom and no matter what happens on the show, she is well on her way quite a personality and really just a fun kid. All right, first Diabetes Connections is brought to you by One Drop and getting diabetes supplies is a pain and not only the ordering and the picking up, but also the arguing with insurance over what they say you need and what you really need. Make it easy with One Drop. They offer personalized test trip plans, plus you get a Bluetooth glucose meter, test strips, lancets and your very own certified diabetes coach. Subscribe today to get test strips for less than $20 a month delivered right to your door. No prescriptions or co pays required. One less thing to worry about. not that surprising when you learn the founder of One Drop lives with type one. They get it. One Drop, gorgeous gear supplies delivered to your door 24 seven access to your certified diabetes coach. learn more, go to diabetes connections dot com and click on the One Drop logo. My guests this week are Elisa Sammis and her mother Natalie. Elise is a contestant on this season's Food Network kids baking show. She was diagnosed with type one at age nine and we talked about her diagnosis. But she was already baking a lot by then. And luckily her family realized you can continue to bake and enjoy dessert even with Type 1 diabetes. Being on a big show like this is a great chance to educate and what's really fun is as we mentioned, Elise isn't doing it alone. There's another young woman on the show Naima Winston from Baltimore is her name and I will put some links and information on our episode homepage, where there is also a transcript about Elise about Naima about the show and more information. So please check that out. That's a diabetes dash connections.com. And while you're there, please note every episode from the last four years is there you may be intimidated to scroll through I get asked all the time, what's the best order? I actually think the best way to listen is either to use the search box and put in whatever interests you Disney, Dexcom, Tandem, Omnipod, right or you can search by category as well. If you click on the tab that says all episodes, you'll see another search box to the right and then filter by category. And that is a really great way to dial into what you want the categories including advocates, athletes, artists, actors, education, technology, travel, family, you know, there's a whole bunch of ways to narrow this down because we've got more than 270 episodes now Holy cow. And I really urge you to go take a stroll through and see what interests you. Quick note, this interview was done on the road, I was speaking at the JDRF chapter, the Palmetto chapter in South Carolina. So the sound quality is a little bit different than when I'm doing things in the studio. And I may be a little soft at times. I'll tell you about the technical nonsense that happened. I'll tell you about that at the end of the show. So let's get to it. Here is my interview with Elise and Natalie Sammis. Let me start with you, Natalie. How did you guys even find out about this? How do you get your kids on a show like this? Elise Sammis 6:38 Well, actually, I didn't get my kid on the show. Elise put herself on the show. Basically, we live in the south and hurricanes are prevalent. And about a year and a half ago, at least you think it was Hurricane Matthew and we got five days off of school. And so I was very bored around the house. So I looked up, like, because I like to bake and I was getting into it. So I looked up like baking competitions and I saw like form so that we could, like fill out a form so that we could try out. And so I made a video for it and I sent it into them. And after that we didn't hear until like six months later. Stacey Simms 7:23 So during that five days and your home and baking was that your first foray? Was that your first time into baking or is it something you'd always like to do? Elise Sammis 7:30 I'd pretty much always like to bake from like, I guess like when I got diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes when I was nine, it was really stressful. So it was just really like stress relieving to be able to bake and it was like creative. Stacey Simms 7:46 Alright, so we have an audience that knows about diabetes. But what you just said when I was diagnosed with type one I found it really stress relieving – that could sound strange. What were your thoughts as she was enjoying this as a younger kid? Natalie Sammis 8:06 The two background stories, I think that are important in this piece are that a I am an avid Baker. And so literally, sugar is in my blood at all times. No, I my motto is dinner is always just a means to dessert. That is my life motto since a small child. And also number two, I'm actually an RN, I have my Bachelor's of Science and nursing. So I understand the principles. I understand that Yeah, you skirt the line a little bit closer. When it comes to desserts. It is a little bit more complicated in your carb counting. But it's also it's very doable. It's not off the table. It's not something that someone should be terrified of. It's something that you can balance and put into your life. And also we realized that half the time that we bake, we don't even eat it really we are sharing it with our friends or we're posting it like on social media to feel unify with other people. People It is really, truly a creative outlet for us probably like how people feel with art, but I don't get art and I cannot eat art. So we just go with the dessert side of the world and we like it and we make friends by giving people desserts. Stacey Simms 9:15 How old were you when you were diagnosed? Elise Sammis 9:17 It was the day after my ninth birthday, and we were in Disney. And there was my birthday and my mom actually fed me a chocolate chip cookie for breakfast. Right there. So we were like noticing a lot of symptoms. I was really thirsty all the time. So then my mom took me to the urgent care clinic, the CBS for CBS. And like the MinuteClinic the MinuteClinic Yep, yep. And I got and she got a glucose meter and she thought as a UTI at first. Natalie Sammis 9:52 Right. So she took a blood sugar first and it just read error. When the very first meter read error. The nurse in me problem solving. I thought, ooh, there's something wrong with the machinery that that Wait a second, I know how to litmus test this. So I stuck my own finger, I tested my own blood sugar and it said 96 I still remember the number and my heart sunk. I knew at that moment, deep down that she had diabetes, but I didn't even then didn't want to admit it. Because, you know, that's the worst. So we went to the urgent care and the urgent care. I still remember they looked at us like we were crazy because we walked in. And Elise is holding a Diary of a Wimpy Kid book. And she's just flipping through and reading it and she has a bottle of water in one hand, because at that point, I said, You drink as much as you can. Right? Right, right. Just drink this. And I said, I think my daughter might have diabetes. They look at me, like, does she fall down? Did she pass out? Like I'm like, No, but she's drinking me. Are you from the area? No, we're on vacation at Disney. And they're like, so you stopped your Disney vacation and you think she has diabetes? I'm like, I know. I basically said tell me I'm crazy. I want to walk out of here laughing like I'm just a paranoid Mom, I just cannot in good faith just go back home after seeing the error recording and having those symptoms and I just need to know so we waited quite a while because we were not on the urgent list at that point. And even the doctor said, I think it's probably just a UTI. But he respected my wish to check your blood sugar. And at that moment, their meter read error Hi. And they said he pulled out his personal cell phone and said go directly to Orlando Children's Hospital. Stacey Simms 11:31 Do you remember any of that? I mean, nine is old enough, but sometimes things get confusing. Do you remember like, anything that your mom was saying? Or what's going on in the hospital? Elise Sammis 11:39 Well, I remember that like when I got in there. I was asking like, Is it ever going to go away and everything then I remember the turkey bacon was disgusting Natalie Sammis 11:49 They put her on this restricted carb diet. So all she could eat with like a massive amounts of turkey bacon, Elise Sammis 11:57 turkey bacon. like sugar free jello. Stacey Simms 12:03 So did you ever get back to Disney World? Natalie Sammis 12:05 Yeah, we did we After that we went to Hollywood Studios. We took it that Disney paid for us for a taxi or an Uber. I can't remember which one back to our place that we were staying in the other. My Elise is the oldest of four children. So the other kids and my husband were already at the party because we said go on without us because we had been in the hospital for about three and a half days. And we got in that taxi cab we threw our suitcases in there and we saw the next bus to Disney and we ran our little hearts out and barely caught the bus and we didn't get to do too much that day. And then we went home the next day but Disney was kind enough to give us passes to come back and when we had kind of our life under control a little bit more and we understood more about diabetes in real life. We came back probably three months later in May Elise Sammis 12:52 is a lot better experience than the last. It was a lot more fun. Okay, Stacey Simms 12:57 so after Disney World when you go home You say you figured out diabetes in a bad life? You were already enjoying baking at that point. After all that turkey bacon. Were you worried? Like that's it for baking or cupcakes? Or did your mom kind of jumped right back into it with you? Elise Sammis 13:14 Well, for about a week later, I was like, I don't even know like what I can or can't eat. And so we like kind of researched a lot. And then I was like, wait, I don't have to just not eat sugar. I can just take insulin for it. So then I was like, Well, I can still bake and stuff. And so that's I was like, yeah, you know, it's got really excited about it. Stacey Simms 13:39 That's great. So what a whirlwind diagnosis and hopefully we'll have time I want to talk a little bit more about Disney World later, but let's talk about the bacon. You send in the video. You wait six months later, what do you hear what happens? Elise Sammis 13:53 So like, I've been waiting and then another season came out, and that was like, they just didn't see it. The following, never gonna happen. And then like, six months later after that, I was on the bus and my mom called me She's like, you're not gonna believe who just called me. And I was like Harry Potter. Stacey Simms 14:14 well, she was almost 11. Elise Sammis 14:18 And then she's like, no, it's the kids baking championship people and they want to interview and I was like, Oh my gosh, yeah. So I ran home. We did a lot of Skype interviews, and I had a lot of assignments and I had to make a ton of desserts. And there's a lot of other videos I had to make for it. And there's a lot of interviews as the mom you know, please seeking I mean, this is an exciting time but at the same time it's a lot of hopes for a young woman to have Yeah, yeah. Nervous that after all of this work, she wasn't gonna get on the show. Oh, very, very guarded, I guess will be the word. Natalie Sammis 14:53 I mean, I'll backtracking when she said mom can I turn in the video and I did have to click like I agree and I help fill in. Some of the, like contact information so it was correct, because at that point, you were 10 years old when she turned in the video. And I told I still remember and people laugh at me still, at least still less than me. My caveat was sure I'll turn in this video but you need to understand that you will never hear back from them, they probably will never see it and you're never going to be on that show. And if you're okay with all those three sentences, I'm feeling okay with letting you turn this in. Because I'm more of a realist. I am Elise is a is a goal setter and a go getter and a dreamer. And she proved me wrong every time so I don't know why I keep doubting it. But I just I think I do that out of protection as a mom and so yeah, as time went on, you couldn't even the process is when they Skype, the parent in the room is not allowed to be in the room. You can't be there. They want the kids to stand on their own. They don't want some mom in the corner given them most of coaching and so I would put my ears to like the door but I have a he was four at the time. And he would be like read to me we've got this new dog that was like two months old and an idiot, so I'm literally like hearing every fifth word. And even then I'm like, oh, like so excited out of my mind that I couldn't even concentrate. So I mean, it was crazy. Just week after week, it went on for from March until June, just on and off on enough like, yes, you made it to the next step. Then we would hear crickets, crickets crickets, and you don't want to be the annoying mom. And then they not pick you because you're this weirdo psycho. So you had to play it cool. You have to kind of just wait for them. And then the next kind of like little piece of cheese would come and he would chase after that. Stacey Simms 16:34 so then this is going on for a while. When did you really start to get close? What happens? I don't know how much you can share. So don't tell us what you can't. But how do you know that? This is going to be it? Elise Sammis 16:44 Yeah. Well, we were doing all these interviews and videos and I was it just kept going. And I was like, when are they going to cut to the chase and like, actually do it. And so then we got a call in like early June. They're like, we want to fly out 15 kids, we're gonna send three home and all the other ones are going to be able to be on the show. And I was like, we're finally going to LA. Natalie Sammis 17:09 Yeah. So we knew flying out there all the way to all this work. I mean, this is now we've been up till 2am, baking things having to print that present the next day unless it's work. I mean, huge amount of work. And it's a risk. It's Stacey Simms 17:24 already going home. And then the competition, you know, Natalie Sammis 17:27 oh, yeah. So our goal was to get on the show, and knock it out the first episode. And we didn't do those things so that we can just hang our head forever. Stacey Simms 17:36 What happens when you're there? I mean, you know, kids are generally pretty friendly, I would think. I mean, you want to be friends, you're hanging out. There's got to be a lot of downtime. If you're not familiar with TV production, there's so much downtime, is it hard doing that knowing that they're not going to stay? Elise Sammis 17:52 It was super hard because like, the first day like all of them were super nice, and they're all like super friendly, and like we went to the mall, and we hung out at the pool together. And like, I didn't want any of them to go. But they had to, there was no thing in me that was like, I want so and so to get out. Yeah. Stacey Simms 18:13 So yeah, be nice if everybody could win. But that's not how the show works. Yeah. All right, what can you tell us because a couple of episodes have aired already, but when this podcast airs will probably be further down the road. So I'm curious if you can share anything about what goes on behind the scenes because I've seen the show and some of it looks very ordered. Some of it looks very chaotic. is some of that chaos planned? Or is it just you guys are really doing what you're doing? What do people really knock stuff over? Elise Sammis 18:38 Sometimes they would tell me to ask how are you doing so and so? And they really like good. And then sometimes they would say like, tell all the other bakers you have 15 minutes left. And the other stuff we would just say random things. Yeah, your mind. Natalie Sammis 18:56 Well, it was funny to that. I think there's a couple times that the cameras People I thought it was interesting. They have 13 different cameras going to get all the angles. They have one big overhead camera. And she said, anytime anyone made a mistake, you knew it, because you'd feel the crane. Whoa, hovering over you. So you didn't want the big camera to go on you. You knew that either something's on fire or going downhill fast. So no one wanted the big camera to be swooping in their direction. Stacey Simms 19:27 we haven't really talked about diabetes and the show. That was in your video, some of your audition. Yes. You mentioned it. Was there any hesitancy on your part to put that in? Was that important to you Elise Sammis 19:37 know, that was very important to me, because I wanted like everyone to know that if you have diabetes, you can still do the things that you want to do. And it was like super cool, because there was another girl named Naima. She's my super good friend and she had also had type one, and she's super sweet. And we were both like, yeah, we both have type one. Stacey Simms 19:55 I was gonna ask you about Naima because I'm obviously we're not interviewing her for the show, but I've seen her story. Well, and it was incredible to me. So far the posts have all been, oh, there's two kids with type one on the Food Network. And everybody's been saying no, no, no, you're confused this name and no, you're no, you're confused. Oh, it's really Natalie Sammis 20:12 well, well, even we were confused. But we walk in the first day and its orientation and all the sudden I'm hearing Dexcom alarms and I'm going Elise, Like what? Like, like it is because it sounds too far from us. And she should have it in your bag. And I said, Who's next column? What Where's your Dexcom? And then this other little girl pipes up and says, Oh, that's mine. And that moment, it was that instant bond of like, you have to wait, we have to. It was our first I think your first real friend like you have acquaintances that have type one, but this is the first time she connected with some one else on this kind of level who has type one and I think that's special. Stacey Simms 20:48 So you guys have kept in touch. Elise Sammis 20:50 We have a big old group chat. We all talk every day. Stacey Simms 20:54 That's cool. I wish I can ask you more but I know Yeah. Elise Sammis 21:00 Did any of the other kids talk to you about diabetes? I mean, kids don't always do that. I'm just curious. They were pretty curious. And they're like, what's on your arm? And I was like, Oh, that's my insulin pump and everything. They were super nice and they're like, they didn't really care about it. They were just super sweet. Stacey Simms 21:29 Did any of the parents because I mean my son doesn't bake and I remember when I've been parental settings for sports or there's always somebody who's like, well can you really eat that? You know, anything like that? Natalie Sammis 21:30 No one really I think because we had gotten that far. And they knew we were that serious about baking. They can't bear Yeah, there's two of us they dare not I think what we are all became like very good friends. I think it's always eye opening when you get to know other people that the little bit of understanding of what type one really means day in and day out and on vacation and we were in a very stressful situation and we were up I mean, her blood sugar would just go crazy every time she baked it every time she was on set I wouldn't even let her eat a single carb because I already knew her blood sugar would be through the roof when she's getting stressed her her levels go high and so her Dex have just been going off. I can't believe we can't hear it at the show you you are only there but it almost felt a little good to be able to just kind of explain and see what is really like it Yeah, we were up at 2am and 3am and 4am treating highs and then treating lows and this is our everyday and oh at least go change your pod or and they kind of like look at you with like huge eyes like you do this every day and you're kind of like Yeah, we do. It's all right that like what I am so proud of at least and I don't know if everyone told you this really but she did not once ever use diabetes or her blood sugar level as an excuse whenever she didn't perform how she wanted to perform or when she was stressed or other kids won certain competitions. She Never ever, ever even had that in a thought like it does not hold her back physically or mentally ever. I want to have my little mom sign like “do you know her blood sugar is 328, do you know hard it is to be thinking clearly?!” like, I just wanted to say that like you don't understand how cool she is right now. Stacey Simms 23:19 So but let me ask you because obviously diabetes did not stop you from doing this. But did anything happened during the competition where you did have to leave to change a pod? Or it Did you know, mess you up? Did anything ever happened along the way because it does happen sometimes. Elise Sammis 23:32 Thankfully, like nothing like sometimes the medical my medical person, she was super nice. She would like come over and give me some insulin but I would just keep on baking and she would like BB Stacey Simms 23:46 Yeah, so was this somebody that the show provided Natalie Sammis 23:48 that they had two medicd, so they had one assigned to Naima one assigned to Elise and I'm sure they would cover the other kids who like cut themselves to cut themselves on fire, but they were basically there to hover over The two diabetics. Stacey Simms 24:01 Did you ever catch yourself on fire? Unknown Speaker 24:02 No but someone did we had to slap it down with a giant pan. Natalie Sammis 24:07 Yeah, yeah, there's some fire soon. Yeah. Spoiler alert. Awesome. Stacey Simms 24:13 So much to ask you about the show. But I'm curious as you watch the show, the judges are a big part of it. You know, were you nervous meeting them? Was it fun? Anything stand out. I don't know what you could tell us. Elise Sammis 24:25 It was super exciting meeting them and like Valerie was super nice. And she was just like a mom like the whole time she like was very nice. That was nice. Stacey Simms 24:37 Sweet the judges of Valerie Burtonelli, who we all know from one day to time, all those great shows and then Duff is the.. he did Charm City cakes, right? Yeah. Duff Goldman. We were huge fans. My daughter is in college now. But we watched Charm City cakes a ton. He was our guy. Yes. And you said he was interesting? Elise Sammis 25:00 He really funny and like sarcastic and he was really, like nice about the judging and everything and he was really, like supportive. Stacey Simms 25:08 Maybe you can answer this. They also seem like they're taking it seriously. I mean, they're Valerie's nicer. Some it seems right to the kids, but they're straightforward. They're not telling you Good job when it wasn't right? Natalie Sammis 25:20 Yeah, well, what's actually funny on I never got to meet them. They only let the kids talk to them meet them. I saw them through like closed circuit TV with no audio feeds, because their parents had to have some sort of eye on their child, but I didn't even get to meet them. But when those kids would come back from tastings and judging things and just baking during the day, they would just say, oh, def came over and talk to me and he was funny, and oh, Valerie, like gave me a hug and I trusted the kids in that setting there. They're not the other I don't want to call it other people's judges names and other shows, but they're not harsh. They're not on kind but they are they are very, they're. Stacey Simms 26:03 Yeah. They seem to balance the fact that there weren't a kids show. Yeah. But if you're going to be good feedback, Natalie Sammis 26:07 yeah. If you're going to get that far, though, and how hard we work to get there, those kids can take it. They're not delicate flowers at this point. Stacey Simms 26:15 So of course, you can tell us how everything went in the end of the show, and you won't get in any trouble. even letting a word well done. I obviously can't ask you about the outcome. And I would never. Was it fun are you glad you did it? Elise Sammis 26:29 It was super fun. I'm so glad that I did it because it's such like a good experience. Like you got to meet so many friends. It was really like a lesson to me about patients. Because all those interviews and all the time that was like put into it. It was a lot and yet there's a lot of waiting. So that was a really good lesson for me. Do you still enjoy baking? Is that something you think about? Please do? Yes, I feel like I would always do baking is really fun. In like, it likes me be creative. Unknown Speaker 27:02 This is a good experience for your families. Natalie Sammis 27:04 It was a really good experience me and at least had a great time. We were kind of out there as buddies. And then my, my husband and the other three younger kids flew out for a couple days to visit us. And they decorated our hotel room with balloons galore and messages on the mirror of good luck. And the little kids and me, myself included this kind of trail along on her coattails and got to have this amazing experience. So it was wonderful. Stacey Simms 27:30 I have to ask you, she was three younger children. Do they know the outcome? Because I wouldn't trust my kids. No offense, I don't know your family. Unknown Speaker 27:41 No, they don't. Natalie Sammis 27:42 They even will sometimes, like try to guess and like act like it's real. They're like Oh, so and so did this and they probably did this or that and will be like, oh, whatever you want to think like we don't even validate it because the the what's the number at least that we will be sued if we let information that we Elise Sammis 27:58 will be sued 750,000 Natalie Sammis 28:00 Yeah 13 page contract saying that we will not disclose information so we didn't tell the five year olds Yeah. Stacey Simms 28:07 Anything something else exciting that you all are a part of and I guess this is pretty brand new is your clinical trial for horizon from insolent which is the hybrid closed loop system using Omnipod? So Natalie, can you share a little bit about what is being tested? Is it the full system with the phone app? Natalie Sammis 28:26 Yes, it's the full system. So it involves they gave us a brand new Dexcom transmitter that has the capabilities of obviously talking to the the Omnipod and to the new I don't do they call it a PDM Do you remember lease, I don't know. They still called the PDM. But it's basically a locked out Samsung and they provide that as well. Along with pods that look identical except for this little blue tab. That worked just the same. Also, what I really really like about this, the whole point of it is that you are able to put it in that Automatic mode they call it and with the auto mode, it's every five minutes the Omnipod index home will talk to each other and adjust the Bazell every five minutes as needed. What's cool about it too, is let's say you forgot your PDM you're locked out Samsung somewhere. Even if it has no range, if you could throw it off a cliff even for at least three days, your basal insulin would still be being adjusted because the Dexcom and Omnipod can talk to each other independently. Stacey Simms 29:29 Have you used any hybrid closed loop stuff before? Elise Sammis 29:32 No, this is our first time. Stacey Simms 29:34 All right. How many days? It's only been a couple of days. We started last Wednesday today. To 60 All right, though. Yeah. So have you seen a difference? Elise Sammis 29:42 Yes, it is crazy. Like even we went to Disney World last week, and I ate a ton of junk and everything. And I like went to sleep and it would be a little high but that's what your blood sugar does. And I went to sleep and for the night It would be like a straight line I was so amazing it was it's a big difference. Just the normal taking insulin every time you hear ringing Natalie Sammis 30:09 Yeah, it is just made me feel like less of a nag to like, oh at least check your blood sugar. Oh, I heard your alarm three times a baby. Have you looked at that like that is now silencing our neck. So I have high hopes for it and it really is giving us better control. She's in that crazy stage of life being 11 about to be 12 where it makes no sense. She goes to sleep it looks like she ate a box of Krispy Kreme Doughnuts for no reason and it's nothing but hormones and I don't know unexplained highs and lows. So already this week, it is refreshing to see so many more straight lines. I mean, there's still today we were stuck in the three hundreds for hours and that's just what it is. And but I'm really pleased so far and I'm ecstatic to be able to have it for longer than the three month trial period. Stacey Simms 30:57 All right. Before I let you go you said you have at Disney World, you ran in half marathon full marathon Natalie Sammis 31:04 on Team JDRF. The half marathon half marathon. Stacey Simms 31:07 Yep. So you went back to Disney World. You ran the team JDRF half marathon. Let me ask you first though at least what's it like for you to go back at Disney World? Do you think about diabetes you just have fun when you're there. Elise Sammis 31:18 I have like weird flashbacks kind of. Because I like like remember walking in that same spot being like, all frazzled, like what am I going to do? But then like going back and feeling like Well, I'm kind of normal now. Like, I got it under control. So like happy for me. Unknown Speaker 31:35 That's fantastic. So like, Natalie Sammis 31:37 I had some a mom, I'm going to get weepy no problem very silly. But to see it come full circle to leave Disney World that first time. And you know wonder what your future is going to be like wonder what your daughter's life is going to look like. It's kind of being scared out of your mind. And then to come back to the literally the same place in Disney. I don't know. It has some feel to it. Like, even if you had gone 20 years ago, there's something magic. There's that little spark of Disney that kind of remains the same. So it puts you right back where you were in this time to feel so much confidence. And I still remember on the half marathon, you turn a corner and run into the Magic Kingdom in the it was still dark because it's a ridiculously early marathon. But the castle was all lit up. And I had this like moment of like, Oh my goodness, we've made it so far. I am so happy where where we're at now. We're beating diabetes. I'm not being beaten by diabetes. And at that very moment, as I'm like, getting all bizarre and emotional. I look up and there's Team JDRF fans, right? They're saying that moment of like, oh, then I'm like, wait, I can't praise because I'm practice. So I stopped crying and I kept running and that was it. But yeah, it is a quite a journey, I guess, to come full circle and to go back in that way with so much support and so much like people behind you and helping you raise money for a cause, you know, to help your kid just live a happy, normal life. So it was great. Stacey Simms 33:18 Thank you both so much. I would say Best of luck, but it's all. So excited to watch. To see how this goes. I hope you'll come back and talk to us again. Thank you so much. Unknown Speaker 33:29 Thank you. Unknown Speaker 33:35 You're listening to diabetes connections with Stacey Simms. Stacey Simms 33:41 Alright, so fingers crossed for Elise and for Naima. I am taping this just after the second episode has aired. So who the heck knows what has happened since and what will happen going forward, but we will certainly be following cheering these girls on. Up next. Tell me something good but diabetes connections is brought to you by Dexcom. And you know, when Benny was very little, and his fingers would get wet, right? I'd give him a bath or we'd go in the pool. I would always notice his fingertips. And you know exactly what I mean, right? They were poked so much that they were just full of little little pinprick holes. You could see when they got wet. He is 15. Now, I don't really see his hands much anymore. But the other day, he's such a ding-a-ling. He was doing a project for school. He was using a hot glue gun and he you know, he burned himself a little bit. He's fine. He's fine. But when he came into show me I noticed again and every time I do see his hands, it just knocks me out. his fingertips look normal. We've been using Dexcom for six years now. And with every iteration, we've done fewer and fewer finger sticks, the latest generation, the Dexcom g six eliminates finger sticks for calibration and diabetes treatment decisions. Just thinking about doing 10 finger sticks a day in the past. Makes me so glad that Dexcom has helped us come so far. It's an incredible tool. If you're glucose alerts and readings from the G six do not match symptoms or expectations. Use a blood glucose meter to make diabetes treatment decisions. learn more, go to diabetes, connections calm and click on the Dexcom logo. It's time for Tell me something good. I've got two great stories one was sent to me via Facebook Messenger. The other one I saw in a Facebook group and if you've got a story for me, the easiest way is in my Facebook group at diabetes connections the group or email me let me know what's going on. What is good for you. Melissa wrote in “I have a Tell me something good. I've been listening to your podcast since maybe the summer and my four year old daughter was diagnosed March 28 2019. You are very optimistic. I haven't found a positive thing with my daughter's diabetes. Until today. It's been a horrible nine months with everything. We had our first dentist appointment Since diagnosis I've dropped a lot of ball since April, when the dental hygienist saw the pump. She knew what it was. I didn't have to explain. The conversation got direct to where we treat for Lowes, Skittles and starbursts and gummies. All bed for her teeth. When the dentist came to check, we had a discussion about the candies. He asked for her Endo's name, and he knew her. He's the pediatric chief of dentistry at the local Children's Hospital where her endo is affiliated, he texted an email to find better candies to use instead of the sticky kind. He went on to say collaborates with a lot of specialized doctors in the Children's Hospital to take better care of the kids. And he said get back to me after a discussion with the endo. I found the experience relieving that I wouldn't have to fight this battle. The dentist got it and my daughter was in good hands being cared for. I didn't think I'd ever find anything positive about our new normal. Today I did. So that's my Tell me something good.” Melissa, I'm getting emotional reading what you're saying here. Thank you. She writes for your podcast your optimism, and having somebody to tell the story to understand. Her daughter's name is Katarina, beautiful name. And she told me that it's been difficult to find care for her. You know when they're that little it can be so hard preschools, that kind of thing. But she went on to write that they have been blessed. She's been taken care of by her school nurse in an all day preschool. Her endocrinologist who they love and her mother, Melissa's mom, the grandma, who was able to watch her while the parents are at work, and now the dentist, she writes, “I didn't realize until this how lucky we have been. These are battles. I do not have to fight. Your optimism about any life with T1D is something I was envious of. I wanted some of the burden of this disease lifted off of my shoulders, and I was able to see that I have that after this visit. So I'm a little bit emotional here because of all the nice things she said and just having a place to share that with right. It's important to have people who get it and know important it is that the dentist didn't scold her and say you shouldn't be doing that. But said, Let's find a way to do this that works with Type 1 diabetes. And I think that's fantastic. But if it was a little strange for me to hear, even though I know it, I am very optimistic. I am very positive. I put these rose colored glasses on a lot and diabetes is hard. Type 1 is difficult. Being a parent of a kid with type one it's difficult to it's not all sunshine and rainbows over here. Trust me, I hope I'm open and honest about it. But at the end of the day, we've been really lucky. And I am optimistic and if you're feeling down or things are hard, no judgment, man. It is hard all around. I think I do an okay job of being honest and sharing the ups and downs. But I do know that my general outlook with type one is is an uplifting one. I hesitate to say it because I feel like it's an odd thing to say I feel like it puts me like I'm trying to be uplifting, but the truth is that's how it was presented. To us when Benny was diagnosed, and that makes all of the difference. When you're diagnosed on the very first day you meet a nurse who says, he's going to be fine. I have type one. And I have one child at home and I'm pregnant with my second and don't listen to the scary stories and don't listen to the hard stuff. It's fine. And then the next day, you pick up the phone and call three local people that you know who have kids with type one, because you've met them in your health reporting over the years, and they all say that he's gonna be great. My kids Is this my kid does that it's fine. It really changes than if you don't have those things. And I know how lucky I am to have them. So Melissa, thank you for reaching out. Thanks for a little bit of the gut check, as I like to say the rose colored glasses, but send us any good news and send us anything you want to vent. I hope you join the Facebook group. I'd love to hear more about Catarina. Our other Tell me something good this week comes from the Walt Disney World marathon weekend. That's where Natalie Sammis was when they said they were in Walt Disney World again. Very recently. She was running the half marathon. You talked about with all the jdrf people, they're getting emotional. Well, there's so much going on for that weekend. And I wanted to spotlight Julia Buckley, who's a friend of mine and I've mentioned her on the show before. She is a flight attendant and she is amazing. And she won the Spirit Award for jdrf. She ran on Team jdrf. I don't know how she does it. She flies all over the world comes home runs at Walt Disney World. She always has a smile on her face. So Julia, thank you so much for all that you do. I love some of the pictures maybe we'll throw some of those in the Facebook group as well but to everybody who ran at Walt Disney World, hats off man and now it's a fun race but it's still a lot of work. If you've got to tell me something good story, send it my way. I am so excited. We're getting more and more of these all the time or put them out on social media every week. So I'd love to hear from you tell me something good. Before I let you go, this is not a Tell me something good. This is a Tell me something embarrassing. So I mentioned the very beginning of the show that there were some technical difficulties when I recorded the interview with Elise and Natalie. And real quick, the way I taped the show, usually is that I do the interviews right from my home computer. I have a little setup little home studio. But the interviews are generally conducted via Skype, and then into my computer and then into a backup hard drive. Later on, I record this part of it like a round the interview, right and that goes right into the computer. But when I'm on the road, I don't want to slip my computer. It's only got one input for the microphone, and I had basically needed three inputs. my microphone, Natalie's mic, and Elise's mic. So I use I mentioned that hard drive. I use a recorder for all of you audio files out there, I use an H five zoom. It is a wonderful little recording device and i i only scratched the surface. I know I'm not using it to its full potential. I can plug two microphones in there. And I know I can do more with it. I could use a sound mixer or whatever. But generally when I have more than two microphones that I'm using a plug two and two Each five zoom. And then I have another recorder where I put on a lavalier mic and a little Clippy mics that you see on the evening news or maybe you've done an interview or recorded something for work and they put a little clip mic on your collar. That's a level layer mic, and I use that for myself. And here's the embarrassing part. The recorder I use when I do that is an old iPhone. And I'm not even sure how old it is. It might be a four, it might be three. It doesn't work anymore for anything else. I mean, I don't certainly have service on it. But it is a perfect dumb recorder. And it's like a tape recorder back of the day. And I had purchased over the years, these level ear mics that plugged into your phone. They're fantastic. But when you switch to the newer iPhones and you got rid of the headphone jack well guess where the lav mic plugged in. So I'm out of luck. I can't use my newer phone as a recorder if I want to use the lav mics. So we get to South Carolina. I'm setting everything up. I'm there early and speaking doing a book event before First I'm going to interview with Lisa, Natalie. So I set everything up. Everything sounds good. The stick microphones, the regular microphones, the one if you ever see pictures of me the ones that have the logos on them. Those are plugged in. They're working fine. They're a little low. I'm not really sure. I think maybe Elise was just very soft spoken. So I'm trying to adjust audio levels. I plug my stuff in, and the old phone, the editing software will not open. I use a program called twisted wave. And it's a great program. It's it's up to date, but the phone is so old. I think it was trying to update the the editing software. So I said, forget this. I'll just use my voice memo. So every phone has a voice memo app. It's fabulous for podcasting. It really works well. You can just record your voice for however long and then you email it to yourself. I have guests do this. Sometimes if it's a really short interview. I don't do it much. But you know, once or twice. I've had people do a short segment and a voice memo is great for them. So it looks like it's working. Everything's fine. We do the whole interview. voice memo is there I can hear it. It's recorded Elise Natalie are fine. I can't Email the file to myself. I can't get it off the phone. It's stuck on this old iPhone three, four. It's sitting there. It's It's wonderful. Amazingly, the microphones I was using picked up my voice enough so you heard the interview. It wasn't terrible. It probably wasn't great, I'm sure john kennis my editor worked a ton of magic on it every time he gets a file from me probably shakes his head and said, yes, this person obviously worked with a technical producer her entire radio career. So I'm now in the market for a new level ear mic, because if you know anything about audio, and you heard me say the h5 zoom, you know that you can also plug a lav mic or any kind of really smaller mic into another outlet very easily. And this whole thing could have been avoided if I had just done that. So that was my adventure. I figured we'd just soldier on right you just want the stories. You're less concerned with pristine studio sound, right? Haha. Well, look, I'm going on the road a lot this year. So I figured I better learn how to do that. And figure out how to better get it done. So stay tuned for the continuing saga of how the heck Stacy makes her lovely mix work. Alright, the next stop is not too far from me. I'm going to Raleigh the first weekend in February Raleigh, North Carolina for a jdrf type one nation summit. Then I am going to Maine the following weekend to South Portland, Maine, to talk to the main pea pods, very excited to talk to this group. And we have a very busy schedule after that. Thank you, as always, especially this week to my editor, john Drew kennis from audio editing solutions. Thank you for listening. Remember this Thursday, we do have another minisode coming out this week. I'm talking all about untethered, what that means, why we have loved it. I got a bunch of questions after I mentioned this in a couple episodes back. I talked about receiver a little bit which is a newer, long acting. So I'm going to go through untethered, what it means why it's not just for teenagers, and why we've had such good success. With it, and that is our next little mini episode. I'm Stacey Simms and I will see you back here on Thursday. Benny 46:11 Diabetes Connections is a production of Stacey Sims media. All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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First I'm reading and breaking down two poems from Gary Snyder's collection "Riprap." And later I'm confessing my writing struggles and my plans to get more productive.

The roundtable is back at it again, but this time we are joined by David Jennings of RareBird101 and Wade Woodard of tater-talk to discuss some topics. Learn how you can be a part of Wild Turkey history by supporting RareBird101 on Kickstarter and if you agree or disagree with Wade on barrel finished bourbon classifications. We wrap up talking about limited editions and store picks because that's always a hot button for all. Show Partners: Barrell Craft Spirits is more than just bourbon, they blend rye, whiskey, rum and have a signature infinite barrel project. Find them at your local retailer. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Joy Perrine, the first female bartender to be inducted into the Kentucky Bourbon Hall of Fame. Wild Turkey Kickstarter with David Jennings of RareBird101 - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rarebird101/wild-turkey-american-spirit News came out this week that the TTB is allowing "specialty whiskey" classifications to adorn the name bourbon on the label. Is this the demise of the bourbon law? Maker’s Mark released another limited edition. From a retail standpoint, isn’t this the easiest money that’s ever been made? When it comes to store picks should retailers care about what’s in the bottle? Taste vs Age, who wins? Will it sell no matter what? Thank you to Blake of bourbonr.com, Brian of sippncorn.com, and Jordan of breakingbourbon.com for joining as usual. Unknown 0:00 Everybody's a lot of chime in whenever they can. Jordan. Unknown 0:05 just lost anyone else. Did you know? All right, I mean, you know when your video wasn't breaking up, you might have saw. Unknown 0:27 Hey everybody, welcome back to Episode 196. of bourbon pursuit. I'm one of your hosts Kendrick Coleman. And this is the Community Roundtable. That means I don't have any news to talk about because all we talk about is the news. On the round table. We get some of the latest gossips and the fun cultural topics that we all love to hit on such as barrel selections, but a little bit news about us. We recorded a live podcast this week with Corky Taylor of peerless distilling company. Make sure that you don't miss out on our live streams and live recordings because we have Unknown 1:00 Another one coming up in May. Make sure you're following us on all our social media channels Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. And you're going to be the first to know when we go live. Are you interested in partnering with bourbon pursuit? We're the most downloaded whiskey podcast across America. Check out how you can get your brand in front of a million bourbon drinkers per year at bourbon pursuit calm and hit the partnership button. Or you can send us an email team at bourbon pursuit calm. Now with that, let's hear a little message from Joe over a barrel bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minnick with the above the jar. Unknown 1:37 Joe from barrel craft spirits here. Barrell Craft Spirits is more than just bourbon, we blend rye, whiskey, rum and we have a signature infinite barrel project. Find us at your local retailer. Unknown 1:50 I'm Fred making this is above the char. If you walked into a low level bar in the 1980s you had a variable Unknown 2:00 little chance of getting a good Manhattan or old fashion or Mint Julep. Most of the bartenders were used to just slinging beer and porn, a little whiskey. Oh, nice or neat. And then came a young woman named joy Perrine. She came from the Caribbean islands where she served as a bartender at St. Croix and made all sorts of daiquiris and various types of from drinks and all kinds of banana frozen concoctions that made the island visitors quite happy. Local had never seen anybody like joy brainy. She stood behind the bar and slung mint juleps like nobody here before. She made Manhattan's and created special syrup that would complement Bourbons, unique to Kentucky. She was so amazing. That Esquire called her the bad girl of bourbon and the reason why she would tell you off if you Unknown 3:00 ordered a bourbon the wrong way in her opinion or if you boasted a little too much about what you thought you knew about purpose Unknown 3:08 because of her accomplishments in life, Joy preening was named in the bourbon Hall of Fame, the only female bartender to be inducted into the bourbon Hall of Fame. When she passed away two weeks ago, I thought about my relationship with a 73 year old. She was quick witted, would always tell you what she thought, but boy that she loved family. She loved her daughter, she loved my family. And I gotta tell you, if you were ever enjoy parade, nice presence and she made you a drink that taste that moment. It would last a lifetime. Unknown 3:47 her longtime employer, Dean corporate, died a few months ago as well. And I like to think that both of them are upstairs right now in the cloud somewhere, sipping on a bourbon Unknown 4:00 hope that I can only add to what Dean and joy did for the local community. And whatever you do in bourbon, whether it's consumer or promoted, I hope we can all live up to the standards that joy Perrine created. Unknown 4:18 And that's this week's above the char. Hey, did you know I got a new magazine out? Go check it out. It's on newsstands now look for bourbon plus and Whole Foods, Kroger, Barnes noble, and a lot of other places where magazines are sold. Hit me up on Twitter or Instagram at Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers. Unknown 4:40 Welcome. This is the 31st recording of the bourbon community around table is another favorite of bourbon pursuit because this is the opportunity that not only do we have a variable mix of some of the biggest bloggers and authors in the scene of bourbon here to join us, but we get to talk about Unknown 5:00 recent news and it's also the opportunity for fans for people that are in the bourbon community as well to join and watch this happen live and be a part of the live chat as it goes down so, Kenny Ryan and Fred here from bourbon pursuit team fellas, how you doing tonight? Unknown 5:18 Great. Unknown 5:21 3031 times down we had we had to mess up. Unknown 5:25 question Why do we do with the hardball? Unknown 5:29 Where's the bunnies? I'm trying to count all the towels on the bottom of the screen. I'm like how many people we got Unknown 5:37 is the round table as a bourbon family and I'm here at my cigar family and the lounge, smoking a stogie and just excited to get this going. I'm in my basement, looking at my kids two ways. Unknown 5:52 You know, let's do this pregame. know everybody's got a little bit better atmosphere but this is also the pre game that we're recording this about an hour before the Unknown 6:00 NCAA Men's National Basketball Championship kicks off. For me. I've got to still go with sec. So I'm pulling for Auburn tonight. Ryan, Fred, what about you all Auburn's not playing tonight? Really? Unknown 6:12 Where are you talking about 30 games? Getting? Oh, yeah, you're right. Sorry. Virginia. Virginia. Unknown 6:21 Tech. Yeah, I'm waiting for the one but they found you know, Unknown 6:27 start over from the topic. Unknown 6:31 I'm going I'm going to go actually have Virginia, Virginia. Virginia has had to crazy wins. So, like the probable odds of winning those games are like, not profitable. So probably they're going to win them. Go Texas Tech. Red Raiders. There we go. So we got our first three in. Let's go ahead and kick it off with our Cal Ripken of the Community Roundtable. Blake. Take it away. Yep. Just just continuing the streak all the way through undefeated Unknown 7:00 In the bourbon really count Unknown 7:04 I'm not sure Unknown 7:06 if you play if you throw a pitch and a game you counted as played but no so tonight well I'm Blake from burner burner calm and steel box calm so for tonight's game don't really have a dog in the fight Unknown 7:24 yeah birthday day of being a Florida fam. Ok now go back to back national championships a decade ago but Unknown 7:32 I think it'd be interesting to see Virginia when you know to go from the first number one seed to get knocked off by 16 seed and then go back and win the national championship the next year. That's pretty cool story. Unknown 7:44 Texas Tech and really I just have no connection to other than I'd like that bobby knight coach there for a few years but so my heart would say Virginia but I don't think they are they're going to win. I think Texas Tech actually wins. For going to do a spread. I'm going to say Texas Tech Unknown 8:00 by seven and Unknown 8:03 one up this Yeah. Unknown 8:07 bourbon or pick on that one if anybody wants to me. Oh, nothing's really Unknown 8:14 can I put my mortgage down on it? Unknown 8:17 That's a five star guaranteed. Unknown 8:20 Brian second quarter to go ahead and take it. All right, thanks. Yeah, this is Brian was sipping corn find me at bourbon justice calm or sipping corn calm Unknown 8:29 my team tonight I'm in protest so I'm still rooting for the cats somehow some way but since they can't win since it was robbed from us I'm going Texas Tech tonight the the probability that Ryan was talking about of some of those games that Virginia one and just not being able to put points on the board makes me think this is a Texas Tech kind of night. There we go. Thank you and an honor of one of our topics and one of our guests. I've got a wild turkey 1850 Unknown 9:00 Five the 1.8 proof nice and I've got a drink the rest of it because reminder to people quirks can still break after the initial opening so the rest of this is going down Unknown 9:13 somebody's gonna sleep really well tonight Cheers. Unknown 9:18 Jordan take it away. sure this is Jordan from breaking bourbon calm one of the three guys on the site visits for the Release Calendar. In Depth reviews can also find us on social app breaking bourbon, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Patreon. And for the championship game since Dukes been knocked out. I'm gonna stick with ACC and refer Virginia. Alright, and then we've got two other guests that are joining us tonight and they're always familiar faces to the podcast as well. First I'm going to go with Wade Woodard who is he's keeps the Tater library. He's got Tater talk calm. So welcome back to the show. Hi, good to be here. As you mentioned, I'm a whiskey geek. I have a blog side paid or hyphen talk. com Unknown 10:00 I am the compliance officer of the Texas whiskey Association. And we are within the next month launching a Texas whiskey trail with 14 distilleries on the Texas whiskey trail. Unknown 10:13 Let's see the game tonight. I one time was in Lubbock and I had an Aggie sticker on my car and I went into a restaurant and I came back outside and I had to slash tires Unknown 10:27 know I came here for other writers. I guess I had to go over with Virginia tonight and because it's working, you know, I brought out my Monday evening bottles here so I'm having a little while I'll turn feature of you might spark so here's just a poor Unknown 10:48 just happens to be above his computer as we're recording. Unknown 10:54 All right, and then David Jennings of Robert, welcome back to the show. Hey, glad you had me on. Unknown 11:00 Absolutely and you know, give a plug about you know what you do and that'll kind of lead us into our first topic tonight. Okay, well, I have a blog. It's rare bird one or one.com primarily reviews the wild turkey whiskies. I have some articles from time to time, there's resources there with the timeline and bottle codes and this kind of thing. And more recently, I just finished a first draft of wild turkey book, which I don't know if you want me getting into that or not right now. But anyway, I'm just glad to be on as far as a I'm just guys I'm just not into sports as much as you guys so in my house I'm rooting for wild turkey wins every night. Unknown 11:43 Also, the say is like is there something in your life that like doesn't revolve around wild turkey like at some point is your wife or your kids are just like God, we can just quit it just Unknown 11:54 a little bit, but I try to keep it you know, try to keep it in check. So anyway, it's all it's all fun. Unknown 12:00 And it's my passion. I mean, I really enjoy it. So, you know, it's, Unknown 12:04 it's hard. You know, if you're if you don't love something, you're not going to do it every day. But when you're really passionate about something, it just happens all the time. So that's that's my life on a weekly basis. And I David, I gotta tell you, when you when you reach out to me to read your manuscript, I was really honored and to see where you're going with it is fascinating and starting a Kickstarter campaign that is one of the it's one of the riskiest things you can do as an author to go out there and, and do that because you're putting yourself out there everyone's going to see what the donations are. So take us through that process. Why did you choose to go with the Kickstarter route? Okay, well, you know, Unknown 12:49 well, you know, how difficult it is probably back when you first started to get somebody to pay attention to you and and give you some type of publishing deal and or one that's even worth a flip and Unknown 13:00 I didn't really want to compromise. I was, Unknown 13:03 um, you know, willing to entertain, you know, publishing offers and that type of thing. But ultimately, you know, I, Unknown 13:10 I felt like no matter what I did, if I went that route, it was going to take a long time. And you told me, you know, we're looking at maybe February, the earliest, you know, something worked out, maybe later. And so, I felt like this was the year you know, I wanted to get something out there. This is Jimmy's 65th year coming up in September on September 10. And I would love to have a copy of this in his hands by that day. And I thought, well, I think I have a strong enough fan base to get just enough to make that happen, you know, hire a photographer and, and get some designed to have a nice looking book. You know, it's not going to be probably as nice as some of the other hardcover books out there. But it was enough. You know, I thought I could get enough together to make it something worth buying, you know, and I'll be honest with you, setting up Unknown 14:00 Kickstarter, it wasn't as easy as it was, when I set up my Patreon, there was a lot more verification to it, and you know, there was no guarantee that it would be approved. And so I put everything out there and tried to set it up as best I could and just kind of cross my fingers that they would sign off on it. I did. Unknown 14:18 And now and I did the math, and I'm like, okay, I just want to break even, you know, with this, you know, I don't want to, you know, you know, set myself upside down with rewards in this type of thing. So I sat down and did my math. I watched a lot of YouTube videos on how to run a successful campaign. Unknown 14:33 And so I did my research. And so I came up with 30 $500 Unknown 14:37 is probably enough to get the design photography, all this stuff together to get something out their own. We're a book can be purchased on the on demand basis, which I'm sure you're familiar with Fred, but like with Amazon, you can publish a book on demand. So you send them a PDF file, and they print the book as people buy it. And so I was just trying to cover the cost to get the book there. Okay. Unknown 15:00 And so Unknown 15:02 it alarmed me to find out, you know, within 24 hours. I mean, it was like I had like $1,000 already, you know, and then today I hit goal, like, you know, 10am or 11am or something. And I mean, and now I'm at like 40 $500 Unknown 15:21 or something you know, and the Bergen community. Unknown 15:27 Y'all are some good all of y'all. Well, David, I'll tell you, I'll tell you that Unknown 15:33 we will open up their wallets to turn, you know, like they're they do that to people that like, and you've always come off as a very genuine very fun person. And you get to know you and see if it's even more and then you got that South Carolina accent. You know, where's this all in? Bill Clinton Unknown 15:57 when I was sick Yeah. But yeah Unknown 16:00 Well, you know, guys, Unknown 16:03 it's, it's humbling it really is and I really appreciate it and appreciate you know y'all having me on. I'm going to continue with the Kickstarter is going on for another 5756 days or so. And everything you know, every penny I get above my goal is just going to go right back into the project whether I can make a classier book than I originally set out to. Or I can do some marketing. Like, you know, I've been thinking about some ads or this type of thing where I could at least try to, I'm not gonna be able to compete with the big publishers but I can I can maybe hit a target audience better than they can now. You can whip their ass Unknown 16:41 so let's let's kind of decent here today with 57 days left your auto pays to make $256,500 Unknown 16:53 Yeah. Unknown 16:56 Y'all keep talking like that. David, I will give you I'll give Unknown 17:00 Just some economics behind you know, books like I, you know, I've been writing books for more than 10 years now and my first my first my first whiskey book whiskey women, I had like 500 rejections and you know, if I had the access like Kickstarter or had the notion to do that I would have I probably would have done it but my advanced for that was $2,000 and so they don't like that typewriter manuscript Unknown 17:34 actually do Unknown 17:37 that. So you you actually stand you know for what how you're going about this. You probably actually stand to make you know, legitimate money off of it. You know, from from the book sales. If you're putting it all back and look like that's the goal was just to kind of see if I can, you know, upgrade the product because I would love to have something in my hands that is comparable to what you would find will book stand Unknown 18:00 I'm not cutting any corners with the Amazon print on demand. I mean, it's going to be a full color photo quality, highest grade paper that they have is going to be soft cover, unfortunately, because amazon kindle demand does not do hardcover. But if I continue to raise funds like this, I can have the Amazon Kindle demand for an option. And then I might be able to go to like book baby or Ingram spark or something, and print some hardcover additions. And those might have to be on a limited basis. It just depends, you know, but that's kind of where I would like to go with it. Unknown 18:31 The most important thing to me is that I won't something I want something in Jimmy's hands, that's what I want. If I can just tell his story, and of course, you know, there's a story in there and there's a lot about data in there. But if that is what I really won't, because Jimmy is such a legend, and I feel like it's it's his time to get even, I mean, he's had a lot of accolades. I'm not gonna lie, you know, he's had a lot of people Unknown 19:00 Give him various honors. But I think is there's a story there that a lot of people have not heard yet. And I think that this is the time this is the year his 65th anniversary at the distillery. And I really want to make that happen. And I want to make it happen this year. And it looks like it's going to happen now. Thanks to everybody. And I'm a Patreon supporters and, and everybody that's donated on Kickstarter, people that have tweeted, retweeted, done stories on Instagram, Facebook posts, emails, word of mouth, all this stuff really helps, and I really appreciate it. And I can't say thank you enough, I really can't. Unknown 19:34 Well, you've got more time to go here. You know, you, you hit a goal within three days, which is fantastic. You still got 5050 some odd more days to go here. So I kind of want to let you give, you know, sort of one last plug that are sort of on the edge or like maybe thinking oh, well, he's already got his funding, like why should I even bother to promoted or back is still but give some ideas of why people should still back it because of the stories and some of the content Unknown 20:00 You're going to be delivering inside of there as well. Okay, great. Well, again, I want to take any extra funds raised and increase the quality of the product and promote the product. And the purpose of promoting the product is to make sure that the story of the recipes and the Russell's and of wild turkey distillery in the Lawrenceburg area is put out there. And I think like said, it's a story that needs to be told. And it's the right time with Jimmy's anniversary. And then we had the one to one anniversary last year with Jimmy and Eddie's combined service. And so that is the most important thing to me. If it stays a self published thing where it's promoted on my blog, or my, you know, Twitter feed or my Instagram, it will reach people, it just won't reach as many people and so I need to make sure I can raise enough to get it to the right places, like bourbon plus, or something like an adverb plus would be a really cool thing. And so that is that's my goal. So I just have to raise enough money to do that. And I think the other Unknown 21:00 You know, there's content there that you will enjoy. And there's a whole appreciation section to it's not just history so if like history is not your thing if you're like I just don't really, there's there's gonna be a lot of reviews on there are tasting notes, my impression on different expressions, and I'm doing a lot of photography I'm paying for a lot of photography so the book is going to have a ton of bottle porn in it. It's going to have a lot of like cocktail porn. It's just yeah it's just going to be just loaded with excited just loaded with but just good porn at the end and I've got a good photographer so I it's I'm not it's not you know my stuff. Unknown 21:41 I you know, wait, I don't mind hitting up whiskey advocate either, but they're not on the show tonight. Unknown 21:49 I'm going to talk about bourbon. Unknown 21:51 Know your audience and you you talk porn. So Unknown 21:58 let's change the subject back to that. Unknown 22:00 You know, I'd like to get them in the bc i don't know if that's going to happen or not, I haven't really talked to compile it too much other than I did arrange some. Unknown 22:09 Well, at least I started the process of arranging to have the photographer come in and be able to take photographs, and make sure that there's no you know, questions there. Unknown 22:19 But, you know, it would be nice to get them in in the visitor center. I think it'll probably happen in time maybe after it's done and somebody has something to look at. I'm doing a very limited run this week, I sent a local printer Unknown 22:33 the book without pictures to have a just like a mock up late. So it'll be in the eight, you know, the five by 5.585 or whatever, you know, kind of book format digest format, and, Unknown 22:48 and I'm going to send those out to a few people to do some editing and some review. Might you might get your targeted at date for release. And how can how can your fellow panelists here help you okay. Unknown 23:00 I would like to have it completed in time to give it to Jimmy so that would be September 10. I'd have to have it in his hands so September to at least have a run of the book done by local printer so it would be exactly like what would be on Amazon but I can work with my local printer and have that rushed and done quick so I can do that habit FedEx. So you know I guess sep tember first at the absolute latest would be you know my deadline there but out to the world you know I'll put on their December because I didn't want to kind of overextend myself or make promises I couldn't keep because I don't know what the turnaround time is with Amazon and these things I haven't got into that. You know much research on that side because I'm more focused on just getting things done. But I put December but I'm guessing you know, it'd be more like october november sometime sometime like that were to get there before the holidays. That would probably be the best thing to do because it would make a nice Christmas present. I think you definitely want to time it with that. Unknown 23:57 The stocking stuffers they start emulating yeah Unknown 24:00 I'll request that is so that 50 bourbon stones I have. You know, Unknown 24:05 I just I never imagined how much I mean, you don't think about these things like indexing like, you know, like, Fred, someone does your index for you, you know? Yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna have to do that. And like, I started messing with Microsoft Word and I load Microsoft Word. I mean, it's got a lot of features, but it's just it sucks the creativity out of you do don't don't do indexing. I'll connect you with someone who will do it. He's got a great typewriter. Unknown 24:29 Exactly right. It doesn't say like we're getting out of the bounds of even when I even know. Well, thank you for it. I mean, seriously, because I played with it. And I'm like, Oh, my God, I'm gonna kill myself. Unknown 24:39 It was just not I want to create, you know, on the right. You know, I didn't do a review this week, because I was so focused on getting all this stuff together. And I love writing reviews. So it really hurt, you know, to have to take that hit this week. So if you've got someone that can do that, oh, that would be awesome for you to talk offline about the effect of Bernard stuff. I'm sorry. I'm on you guys. Unknown 25:00 Good, let's go on the rails here. So, Unknown 25:03 so I want to say, you know, David, thank you again for coming on and kind of give us an insight about your book for anybody that's wanting to help back as Kickstarter. And you know, with the Kickstarter, you get an actual copy of the book too. So you can get that link in the show notes for the podcast as well. But I kind of want to move it on to the next subject in this is where it kind of all happened in some sort of like Twitter spiral. Fred had tweeted about cast finished bourbon jumping the shark. Wade had a tweet about the TTP telling him that you could add flavor and color is so called a bourbon. And my head was about to explode and I said, You know what, let's just have both of these guys. Come on in and we'll just put it out there and kind of see who who's kind of feathers we can rafal if we're kind of tailing off the wild turkey thing there. So wait, I kind of want to toss it over to you to kind of talk about where where this conversation spiraled out of well, if you haven't bourbon, or a straight bourbon whiskey Unknown 26:00 You put it in a secondary task it becomes class type 641 whiskey specialties is no longer class type one on one or 141 which is bourbon or straight bourbon. And the team can you be has a chart that what products by class type can have flavorings added to them. And when you become a whiskey specialty, you're also allowed to add up to 2.5% harmless color flavoring event blending materials into a product. Unknown 26:33 So I think that's what Fred was talking about somewhat is that you can add these flavorings into secondary cast finished products and you don't have to disclose the fact and then we had a major producer just came out with a Unknown 26:48 bourbon that had been finished partially in wine cast partially and Sherry cask and they acted like they reinvented bourbon and they were calling the project directly on Unknown 27:00 The bottling they do have that you know what was done to it? bourbon finished and partially finished but we need people people like us because we're transparent talk about the product you're talking about. Unknown 27:11 Okay, Jim being legend. Unknown 27:15 So if you go on Twitter and type in legend, every single post, you'll see me posting the actual cola say no, it's not bourbon, whiskey specialties. Unknown 27:29 And this is something you've been on for a long time I've been I've been a lot more kind of just generally, I kinda I liked the category because I liked a lot of taste of them. But I've never really liked the fact that bourbon and straight bourbon are on these labels. And Unknown 27:49 this year at the San Francisco world spirits competition, I think a lot of people know I'm a judge there, and I had the special barrel finish category on my panel. Unknown 28:00 We're tasting these I mean it was like one was like over Sherry read one was over ported one had one was like three different wine cask finishes and that none of them had any notice what note whatsoever of a bourbon and and that was a moment for me that Unknown 28:22 you know where I realized that we're so far removed away from these things tasting like bourbon as a whole that bourbon should not even be on the labeled for the for a lot of these special barrel finishes. And when we create like a distilled spirits specialty or whiskey specialty that allows them to do a lot of the things that they want to manipulate it to remove it from the the actual flavor profile of the original spirit. I don't think bourbon should be on that label is you're starting to see a lot of these independent battlers. A lot of these craft Unknown 29:00 distillers try to separate themselves in the market. So instead of improving distillate or instead of having a good quality bourbon to begin with, they're trying to what they do and rum, which is add things to compensate for the lack of quality in the original spirit. And I gotta tell you, it, it has to have people like Booker know and Parker been rolling in their graves because this is the sort of thing that American distillers fought against in the late 1800s. Again in the mid 1900s. Every time there's ever been an effort to to mess with bourbon distillers have rose up and fought against it. And today, it's the exact opposite. You're seeing the larger distillers you know, push for more of these allowances within the within the federal government, and it bothers me, but I'm going to kind of take a different side of that. Unknown 30:00 You know, we talked to people all the time, every good every that does all the barrel shrink finishes, you're talking the angel's envy that Joseph Magnus is in the world, everything like that. And they look at it is, this is this is a new territory, this is a new angle, this is how bourbon is going to go to the next level because there's new new realms of experimentation. Whiskey is going to go to the next level in their opinion, but it's not bourbon. You know, we have the path back back 100 years ago in 1909, that basically said we couldn't had these adult all degraded spirits. And now we're getting back to, oh, well, let's add this stuff to bourbon again. So Unknown 30:40 I know what you're saying. I know what you guys are saying when when you support the category from a flavor perspective is very good. It's very exciting. But you know, at some point, we have to protect bourbon. And if we do not then so Unknown 31:00 Suddenly this has got there's going to be an allowance of coloring and flavoring to bourbon. And we have to protect that. And that's all this is about. That's always talking about that's all I'm talking about. I love I love the flavor of the angels a lot of the angel's envy products. I love the flavor of the Magnus products. I'm just coming to a point where you know there were there are people in that category who are taking advantage of it straight up taking advantage of it and adding flavor packets to it, you know, saying oh, well I got a little bit of a this is a pork barrel finish I just happen to have an extra bottle of Port there you know, so that is what people who are getting Unknown 31:41 getting flanked by those who trying to compensate for shitty quality distillate devil's advocate not disagreeing but just playing devil's advocate. So I guess more for waiting and Fred, so they come up with a new category called bourbon, whatever that defines the rules, regulations around how you Unknown 32:00 can finish a bourbon would that be something you're open to are now? Unknown 32:05 I would prefer not to use the word bourbon. Call it whiskey call it American last year called some new name. Well, I'm like read it should be protected bourbon. Yeah, you gotta like bourbon. I think I think what you have is them just not following the laws because I don't have a problem and it sounds like y'all do but personally I don't have a problem if they call it Kentucky bourbon finished in whatever barrels but I just pulled this bottle and it says a truly unique bourbon. That's not abiding by the TTP standards. And now on the bottom it says Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey and then a line below it partially finished in wine and share cast. So with that wording, I would have a problem with it. But I think it's you know, for me, I don't have an issue with it saying, you know, bourbon finished in whatever cast because that's what it is. You know, it's Unknown 32:58 pending that they always do that. Unknown 33:00 That those they start marketing efforts where they're just calling it bourbon and leaving off what was done to it confuses the lines and that's what Jim Beam is doing with this product. But interesting I contacted the TTP specifically about this Jim Beam legend product and as the compliance officer at Texas because I have 14 distillers that look to me the same what can we do own labels what's allowed? Wait, America, America looks to you know, Unknown 33:30 again, I want to make sure that the products they're putting out a fully compliant with all the laws and someone we're making some of these products. And so I sent the TT Did you know, direct question, you know, is this Jim Beam label fully compliant with the TTP laws and they basically came back and said, this label is compliant. So the TTP doesn't seem to have any problem with Jim been calling this product, a unique bourbon. Well, I don't know. I don't think I've never met. Unknown 33:57 Go ahead. Sorry. But no, I was just I was Unknown 34:00 I agree with Blake on the bourbon finished in but my devil's advocate question for Fred is Unknown 34:06 it's it's a subjective question to say when a bourbon finished in whatever kind of barrel no longer has the attributes of bourbon Unknown 34:16 so how do you how do you govern that Unknown 34:19 you know I just a bright line know finished it's finished it can't call a bourbon now again I'm not opposed to finishes and I'm not even really opposed to having you know bourbon necessarily on the label. But is it when is it the one is it the main one it's the main word on the label versus an amplified word. I think that it really where you know where we're getting here's here's the thing with with whiskey distillers really human nature's you give someone an inch, and they're going to take a mile Unknown 34:55 No, and that is where we are. I can't I can't remember who Unknown 35:00 What the brand was when I found out what it was, but it was finished in like three or four different tasks, and it was still in, you know, it's still on the shelf as a bourbon. You know, angel's envy is in one casks, whatever you think of them there in one cask makers 46. It's, it's one style, it's got French oak stays inserted, but we start getting past one barrel. I mean that that that's that is where people will start taking advantage of it. And then you're going to get into Celera. And you're going to get into all these other things that the Steelers are going to try to do to take advantage of it to stand out and to have used their marketing tools. You know, to get a very clickbait headline that will run rampant on something like men's health or gear patrol or Forbes or wherever. And that's that and I'm just telling you from a pure like readability standpoint, that Jim Beam story is all over the place. It is Unknown 36:00 All over the place and like what is what is drawing IR from Wade and a lot of other people is that fact that it continues to be called bourbon and, and being so different and it's getting put in that same kind of like innovation innovation bucket, as Unknown 36:19 you know, something like sweet mash, you know, and no one cares about sweet mashing. But to me that's innovation for bourbon. You know, to me that is real innovation. You know, the barrel finishes I again, I love the category. I love so much of the flavor of it. But we're getting out of hand and I just know in ROM, it's a shit show. You know, they say it's a hilarious system. They're not Celera. Well, I mean, the other thing is, is that when we're talking about these finish, Cass you all are no better than me. But I don't think there's a law or anything that states about how empty a certain cast must be, or how dry or how how age it has to be until days. I mean, Unknown 37:00 Could have six bottles of rum left in there or seller or Porter Sherry, it could have a few drops. There's there's nothing to say. Unknown 37:10 rebuild their barrels and then they refill them to write and that's how. Unknown 37:15 Yeah, exactly. Again, that's also what they doing wrong and and you know there's there's nothing wrong with that for for like creating a whiskey and another thing weight is something that is, is is of growth right now our blends we're seeing a lot of blends of various types of burdens. And you know, and this is this is another area where people can slip in a little bit. You don't see blend of straights, you know, what are you getting? So there's just there's just a lot of things where there's this incredible Unknown 37:51 I feel like taking advantage of an eager populace to drink bourbon. Unknown 38:00 Not to cut you off or but you know, it's funny the whole time we're having this conversation. So I think it's almost like the very front line has already been last a long time ago and where I think we'll take like wild turkey honey or Jam Jam stack or anything like that. So and I talked to a lot of people who don't normally drink whiskey or bourbon, right? Let's say, Oh, I had this really good bourbon was like cherry flavored, or I had this really good honey bourbon. I'm always like, oh, and I start to explain to them and they're like, Uh huh. So do you drink that bourbon? And it just goes right over their head, right. Like, the big distilleries. They won that battle A long time ago, because in their minds, people are reading the label. They're already especially with the brand. Yeah, right. And that's not even bourbon begin with. It's just a blend of the corn inverted right now. You know, they last a long time ago. Well, I think one thing we're seeing you ask how the how these products can be compliant with the TTP. If you exceed 2.5% and these flavorings, you would technically have to call it a flavored whiskey. We don't know how much product is in these cast when they add it in. So actually Unknown 39:00 Lot of these products get measured on time. Typically, they're probably exceeding that 2.5% level that's allowed by law to be added to it. So a lot of these products, especially when you start doing multiple casts, like Fred was talking about, they're probably exceed the 2.5% and probably legally should be called flavored whiskies. Wait, I have a question. Is there a definition for cask? I mean, what's the cask? Does it have to be a certain defined barrel? Or can it just be a wooden box mean? What's a cast? It may change soon. Unknown 39:34 I mean, what's a cask now? legally? There is no legal definition for you go. Matter of fact, in the TTP regulations, they call it an oak container. They never even say barrel or carrel cast, they call it containers, but they're changing that container finished whiskey. Unknown 39:55 Jefferson ocean So wait, wait. I'm curious what your Unknown 40:00 Think of this My belief is that if if, if the buck if it stopped with like something as simple as like angel's envy, I don't think we're having this conversation. And we were, I really respect what angel's envy has done, because they never they always are always very transparent that you know, there they are bourbon finished, bourbon finish rye finished and done but I mean, I don't know. I mean Bourbons bourbon by itself. That's the way and I think English stuff should be whiskey. That's just my opinion. Like, maybe I'm too old school because I grew up around it but why not in something man, just bourbon bourbon. You know, right. If you do that, we'd have to have like a whole spin off show of called like whiskey finished in podcast pursuit. You know? It works. Well. Unknown 40:55 Don't do it. Unknown 41:00 You know, but you know, as as we look at what the future is all right, so it things are taking off, and people are getting more influence, you know, throughout the, throughout the consumer base throughout the, the governance. And you know, what does that look like in 10 years, we've seen what this looks like now after really a 10 year explosion of barrel finishes. If in 10 years, this continues to escalate, Unknown 41:28 it is going to be a shit show and bourbon will be damaged. If we hold the line on what is bourbon. And if they would have stopped with angel's envy, we wouldn't have a problem. If they would have stopped at that style. We wouldn't have a problem but it didn't. Unknown 41:44 So I guess to kind of wrap this segment up if there's a call to action for bourbon consumers out there, Fred Wade, like what is what is that action that somebody should take? Unknown 41:56 Well, my saying is, if it's not straight, you must debate Unknown 42:04 He's been he's been teaching that one of Unknown 42:10 the next t shirts come Unknown 42:13 to bottled in bond because that's not getting messed with that's Unknown 42:18 that's even even more that's straight plus face well shit Brian then you're only going to have like 12 whiskies in your bar Unknown 42:26 you think bottled in bond is not getting mess with I my latest blog posts talks about a bottle and broad product really crossing the line and got over the world. Unknown 42:38 Damn cannot ride a way we reached out the way for pursuit spirits. Unknown 42:45 One more thing on this topic though, if people do like these finish whiskies, I did a little experiment recently of trying to make my own at home by just adding a little port or a little Sherry or a little grandma or gay directly to the bottom. Unknown 43:00 And let them married for 30 days and had a panel of 11 blind tasters taste my version versus the commercial versions and two out of the three my versions one easily hand down. So you can make these products at home by starting with a good straight bourbon base. I get a couple of things. One bottled in bond from a label labeling perspective is starting to be Unknown 43:25 you know, kind of mess with whistle pig has a bottled and barn. So you see, you see something like that that's out there. So we've seen flavored whiskies make it through the TTP as bottled in bond. So bottom the bond is absolutely You know, it can be Unknown 43:45 you know, penetrated and and i look at I always go back to ROM when we talk about this, take a look at the state of affairs ROM ROM is a there's not many really genuine pure producers left Unknown 44:00 So if you want if you want bourbon to turn into that, then let's just, you know, let let this continue to go buy more live legend. Unknown 44:11 Absolutely. Well, I mean, I think we, we definitely came away with some some learnings here. So anybody that's out there, make sure you are you're reading the labels, you know what you're buying, and you make sure you're looking at a lot of these guys blog posts because they go in depth and you'll be smarter because of the Unknown 44:30 bourbon pursuit wouldn't be possible without the support of our Patreon community, and with help of our following partners. Unknown 44:39 You listen to podcast, so you know that there's more craft distilleries popping up around the country now more than ever, but how do you find out the best stories and the best flavors? That's why we've partnered with rock house whiskey club. It's a whiskey of the Month Club who's on a mission to uncover not only just the best flavors, but those stories that you want to hear Unknown 45:00 From craft distilleries across the US, rack houses box ship out every two months to 40 states and rack houses April box there featuring a distillery that was located inside a former North Carolina prison. Whiskey prison, home to Southern grace distilleries. It's the prison you'd want to break into. Rock house whiskey club is shipping out two bottles from Southern grace distilleries including it's double gold award winning conviction small batch bourbon, which is the first bourbon ever to legally be age behind bars, go to rock house whiskey club. com to check it out and try bottle of conviction today. Use code pursuit for $25 off your first box. Unknown 45:43 But next I kind of want to talk about sort of the hype train that continues to build just around limited editions and everything like that. And that was because this past week in Kentucky there was the last edition of the Kentucky Wildcats Maker's Mark limited edition a release and makers Unknown 46:00 Mark does one of these every single year it's it's usually in the Kentucky, Southern Indiana surrounding areas, they'll make somewhere between 12,000 to 20,000 of these bottles. And of course, there's just people lined up around the liquor barns and total wines and other stores and the cost goes, and I look at this and I try to view it from a retail standpoint. And I'm kind of curious and kind of look at you all. Is this thing, the greatest scam that's ever been invented? Because it seems like retailers just make so much money over doing nothing like they can just sell a bottle like that in an instant. Kentucky fans will buy anything Unknown 46:39 goes more than just that. I think makers has this down to a science mean they've been not just Kentucky but they do. They've been doing this for years. It's like all right, what sports in one let's roll out the red white or red wax. Let's roll out the different colored wax. Let's slap it on there and people go gaga for it. Right I mean, including Unknown 46:57 the RNC and the DNC convention. Unknown 47:00 Two years ago Unknown 47:03 I've been doing that for a long time to rock the boat bottles for sure. Unknown 47:07 Yeah, Jordan, art. Yeah, there's a long tradition of that. Right. You know, with all the decanters and everything from years past that the distilleries would put out. Maker's Mark seems to be the only one who continues to keep it a long living tradition and yeah, I mean you know, I guess if you see it on the shelf in your dad kind of like bourbon and there's my sports team on there Okay, I'll buy it you know, it's well but I thought you bring up a good point blank, but those decanters were when bourbon really wasn't selling so people are going more from the higher they are in the bourbon right makers money and people are buying bourbon left and right now but they're still rocking it out but people people love it. I mean, you know and and so like about like to justify bottles, those things just sell out automatically, where now they just they have the market cornered because if Buffalo Trace comes out with a Kentucky Wildcats bottle, everyone's like, hold on a second. Somebody else Unknown 48:00 But you know but it just expects that maker so Unknown 48:05 it would be question that I see is that this these newbies out there thank you these are special edition that there's some kind of special bourbon in the in the glass Unknown 48:17 is Unknown 48:19 it's all 12 year old Maker's Mark everybody Unknown 48:23 know that the over over Maker's Mark Unknown 48:27 This is what overload tastes like it's pretty good Unknown 48:32 10 years could you release this Unknown 48:35 suckers and kept buying them for a while and then I realized that that's the same juices I just started using them as mixers like Unknown 48:44 bars like here you go but i think i mean i think certain brands right so you got makers but Woodford doesn't work there during bottle right? Yeah, we'll go guy off for that. I think each brand has their niche and they Unknown 48:55 who was it Secretary that for? Oh yeah, that was Unknown 49:01 That was that was good Unknown 49:04 that Secretary one Penny Chenery the owner secretary, it out that was that was one of the coolest experiences of my career was pick a whooping with her when she picked up on but these things are you know we can bitch about a lot of different things but this is a little bit to me of the spirit of just having some fun. You know it is what it is they've been doing it for a long time. It brings in outside outsiders interested into to the category. It gets new, you know new fan bases excited. I like it. Most people don't open the bottles you know. Unknown 49:45 You get Unknown 49:47 the last one I tried open was the Astros World Series bottle I had to take a blowtorch to. Unknown 49:56 Pretty sure somebody out here wanted a beam Unknown 50:00 Comes bottle and it came out just to the right Unknown 50:05 there you go. I've worked hard to get Unknown 50:08 I mean they could put just colored water in there and No One Unknown 50:13 No One No one else is saying it's kind of like you know we talked about it on community around table in the past of having a sign bottle. You're like well do I really want to open a book open up a bottle it's been signed it's like now you know I'll just open up something else so all those things just gonna sit on the shelf it's gonna be a cool decoration. I opened my son bottles so do i do yeah, you really are rare bird Unknown 50:43 just said he just sent me up so well. Unknown 50:46 Funny pitch right there. Unknown 50:48 Really is a night which bottle will they be making? Unknown 50:54 UVA Yeah, Texas Tech battle. Who knows? marketing. It's just marketing though. I mean it Unknown 51:00 It's not I mean it none of the juiciest are really being like you know enticed by these it's it's more for the you know the mass public that enjoys makers and beam and it's just I don't see anything wrong with it personally I think it's a smart move on their part makers has always had great marketing as kind of their thing you know cheers with him for doing it you know Unknown 51:23 maker says a really big collector seen as well right i mean there's there's guys who just have you know Brian Brian and Unknown 51:32 there's another guy but they you know they have hundreds of these bottles they buy every single one so you know get feed the audience as well which is pretty cool. Almost spent $200 on the Jaguars Makers Mark bottle one time from the AFC know what they did it for wasn't AFC Championship but but you did that because you were a sports fan? Yeah, no. Unknown 51:53 He did that background. He was playing Unknown 52:00 For now through me a touchdown the light was on the bottle my really about to pay $200 for Makers Mark Unknown 52:08 Alright, so I want to kind of just dovetail this into the the last topic tonight and this is again going to be more across on the retail side because I kind of pitch that one is kind of a build up because I look at it in a way that oh it's going to sell no matter what you know, it's it's limited blah blah blah even if it's not limited with 20,000 bottles in one state and you're only targeting us a sports team. It's still going to sell out no matter what. But then we start looking at some things when it comes to something we all love and talk about which is barrel pics and barrel selections. And there's some some retailers out there that they don't care about what's inside the bottle. They will get a barrel sample or they'll get a phone call and they say hey, we've got three barrels. We've got a nine, nine year nine and a half year and a 10 years ago. I just will take the 10 year old doesn't matter like littles will take it because it's age and that's what sells Unknown 53:00 So when so what do you all kind of think of this? Like, do you think that in this sort of this today's market that Yeah, age is going to sell a product? It doesn't matter what it tastes like or anything like that. You got a four roses. That's 10 years 10 and a half years old, it's going to sell no problem. Unknown 53:20 Yeah. Unknown 53:22 I mean, it just does or sorry, go ahead, Ryan. Oh, no. Well, Unknown 53:26 I won't say where we were and who this was for. But when Kenny and our two barrel cake recently, the master distiller we went through 10 barrels, and he picked why they go, Well, Unknown 53:36 this has gone to such and such store and we're like, that one sucks or something. He was like, well, they won't care. Unknown 53:43 Like along those lines, and so it's like, just always make sure where you're buying stuff. You know, who's taking the barrels, because a lot of times they're out there and they're just like, what's going to who they're not here I send them this one, you know, so that's my just take on it. Well, I think I forget who it Unknown 54:00 Was but they're talking about you know the difference between group pics and store pics is a pretty big thing or just trusting the store that's picking it you know we we had that experience that when we did our VCR Buffalo Trace pick there were a couple barrels and there were like this just isn't very good. And we're like you know how what happens these barrels It was like well somebody is going to eventually get these and you know it's just a store who says yeah, give me whatever it's going to sell out no matter what so it's another one of those things where it gets like hyped up hyped up all you got to get store pics you got to get store pics, and then all of a sudden just garbage starts flowing into store pics as well. Now it's like okay, you gotta trust who's actually picking these because otherwise you're going to end up with something that's worse than just what you would find on the shelf. Unknown 54:48 people our age trap, you know, Unknown 54:52 for for something with a big age on it up. I'll be honest with you like with knob Creek pics. The 1314 year pics are just not my Unknown 55:00 thing. Um, I mean, I like a more around the nine year mark from the ones I've tasted. Maybe that's just a personal preference. Unknown 55:07 But like with Russell's reserve, I recently had a pic from Justin's House of bourbon. And I was like, Unknown 55:13 This is amazing. I mean, the finish was a little short, but the nose and the palette was amazing. And I found that it was just barely cracking eight years and I was like, really, and it was from Camp Nelson F, which it from my experience has been very spicy. A lot of draw spice and heat. And this one was real fruity. It was very kind of almost like four roses, like like OBS or something. And I was like, this is just incredible. And he was like, Yeah, man, it was just it was barely eight years. I was worried you wouldn't like it. I'm like, I love this thing. And so you can't really go I didn't know what the age was going into it. And you can't just assume that because it's got double digits that it's going to be good on that is not true. Um, there are plenty of eight nine year picks out there have a various you know, four roses, Jim Beam, whatever that Unknown 56:00 Excellent so don't go by age but a lot of people fall for the trap 14 year knob Creek, you know gotta get it now you know, it's like I don't know you might want to taste it first you know? Yeah, totally agree. Yes Do they trust you they trust who's doing the pics you fall for the age age and they also fall for the proof a lot to right so you'll see the same thing it's like oh, it's high proof that's just as I'll get the highest proof or short barrel Oh, short barrel God. Exactly. Right. So you know, Unknown 56:24 it goes right back to what Brandi said. We got to know the people picking it. Right and just find a flavor profile of somebody else that has a similar you know, tastes as you do and just trust them. Yeah, so elixir spirits here commented in the chat and said it happens quite often. He had an eight year 11 month old SK he took delivery on over a 12 year OBS f however, the SK took one and a half years to sell versus the 12 year which only took six months. So yeah, I think it really boils down to people have this idea of of age statements when they go in and they don't really care. Unknown 57:00 Even said He even told customers that the sky tasted better too. So that just goes, Yeah, and people still buy it. And I think I think this is sort of the thing that we're starting to see. And and what I'm starting to see with some of the the retailers is that they don't they don't care about going and tasting it. They're just like, sure, just get the highest age put in a bottle, it's going to sell no matter what. Unknown 57:25 You don't see age statements on every other thing. So you're like, I think people get excited when they see like a higher age on something. Because your age statements are gone now. So that might be why Well, I think a little bit of this to you know, you're starting to see this is you know, we're talking about this but there's another coin to this is that the distillers are going to the distributors and saying, if you guys don't take this barrel, you're sending us a clear message. These rate retailers are not necessarily doing this by choice mean Yes, they are. Unknown 58:00 selling it but a lot of the bigger ones, you know, they're trying to keep that they're trying to keep their applications and their guys still go in there and get the sweet honey barrels. But they do take on a load that you know that maybe old forester doesn't want a knob Creek doesn't want, you know, doesn't have like a group coming in and selecting them. So it's not necessarily always the retailer's best interest to say no to these larger distillers who are dictating who is getting barrels right now, right? Yep, everybody's on the chopping block. So you got to just take it take what you can get Unknown 58:36 retailer here in Houston that they liked to have store pics, but not with their particular name on it. So they want some kind of designations. I'm going to stick around the bottle and it was a private barrel pick. But in case it's bad, they don't really want to have their name on the bottom. Unknown 58:55 I guess you aged storks sword because you know then people love it. You don't even get to play Unknown 59:00 It is the greatest thing ever. Yeah, it's when you have some side stickers. Unknown 59:07 Of course I go around that stores and randomly throw a little stickers out on that looks like a private barrel. Unknown 59:15 Just just help them run through Unknown 59:18 a bunch of unicorn stickers you know just Unknown 59:22 a unicorn that's that's probably the next good prank that you could probably pull next year April Fools just go to total wine and just start putting stickers on everything and just see what a few pictures out there and just watch people start running. Unknown 59:39 I bet the retailers would actually like that because like social media traction for them. Unknown 59:45 Absolutely. Yeah, press is good press. Good deal. So that's gonna that's gonna wrap it up for tonight's episode. I want to say thank you everybody for joining us whether you're live watching us through the chat and then also Unknown 1:00:00 Thank you to everybody here on the panel that joined us. So Ryan Fred thank you again I'm kind of want to go around the around the horn one more time to let people give an opportunity to do say where you blog and Yeah, kind of start closing it out. 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Jordan Peele's Twilight Zone is on blast this week...   Music: Disco Sting Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/   Apero Hour Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/   Full Episode Transcript: #14 - The Twilight Zone and Jordan Peele (or Returning to the Dimension of Imagination) [00:00:01] I'm Justin. I'm Josh and I'm Tim. Well guys let's talk about the new Twilight Zone remake reimagining show that they're doing. Is it Jordan Peele Jordan Peele. Yeah. Yo yo. He's this is what the second or third redo of why they think this is the third. [00:00:21] If you don't count the movies are we counting the movie. I think you have to count the movie and technically it be the fourth because the original then the movie and then they did it in like the 90s and 80s they did in the 80s and then in the early 2000s. Yeah. So a fifth of a fifth attempt. OK. And do we put the outer limits on that too. Because that was kind of. [00:00:42] No no no. But what about the Night Gallery. I haven't actually watched an episode of that is that kind of twilight. No idea. Never even heard it. Well I guess we shouldn't touch that. [00:00:51] I think people have said that it's close to Twilight. So like Twilight Zone. Well it's it's own thing. So here we are. A new version of Twilight Zone. Tim do you want to see a new version of Twilight Zone or. Would you rather have seen him just do some sort of other anthology show that's not quote unquote the twilight like a black mirror. Yeah I was going to go there. [00:01:13] Well you know Black Mirror is pretty much like Twilight Zone. That's what I would call it. It's blinded to people. [00:01:19] You know I at first I kind of decided that it is but it is and it isn't. It's because it every episode has a technology specific kind of twist. [00:01:30] Right in black and black mirror. Yeah. [00:01:32] Yeah but I also feel like at least early Twilight Zone episodes not so much later but early ones. There was always the twist you know at the end there was always something you. Oh they're here. You know that guy's a pig man or whatever you know. Or they were on Earth the whole time. Yeah it was. The show's got away from that. It became just sometimes oddball ideas or whatever. But Black Mirror is similar in that sense. I know it gets compared to Twilight Zone a lot but I don't think it's a. [00:02:03] They do have episodes that have a a twist but they are plenty that don't. And they're just an odd concept that has a payoff. So I don't think lumping it in with Twilight Zone is fair. I think it's it's own beast. I think it's amazing. [00:02:18] Well I don't I wouldn't say I've ever lumped it in. I think that's just the my way of explaining what type type of show it it is an anthology. I didn't like what was close enough to it. It was the twilight. All right. Fair enough. I knew it was its own thing. OK. [00:02:34] So I'm sorry Tim. Is this something you want to see or would you have rather seen it just in and not call it away from him. Yes now I have not seen get out. You did right. Yes. And it was amazing really really good. Yes. [00:02:46] Well he he's got this other movie coming out called us. [00:02:49] Yes apparently it's supposed to be amazing now not having seen get out and don't spoil it for me because I do want to see it. Is this something that you would have if you were a Hollywood producer that you would've thought hey this is the guy that should do twilight zone now. [00:03:07] Is it off of that. Yes okay. OK. Like you were mentioning they had a good twist and they this did have a good twist on it. OK. [00:03:14] And it was a twist on the twist and certain parts and they'll be like you expect to go this way and then you know there's a twist and we twist back to going back that way and then we twist here. You did 360 360 it did this many many times yes literally it. It was a movie that I wasn't expecting to be as good as it was. That's what everyone says it went directions you didn't see coming. [00:03:39] And he's proven that you know off the show you know Key and Peele they had some good really good sketches of that show too that he and I think he can actually do a good job with a Twilight Zone with the people that he has coming in to be in the first couple episodes for it. [00:03:56] Mm hmm. OK. I kind of have to plead ignorance. I don't know anything about this guy. When get out came came out. And his name was being thrown about. And I'm thinking Who. Jordan Peele. I mean I guess he's a talented writer and visionary medium. Something I. Yeah. And I was like OK who is he. What is it. KEENAN Keenan and Peele Key and Peele Key and Peele. Never heard of that. And then this movie came out and get out and people seem to really like it. It's like OK. And then then he gets offered the twilight zone. I'm like OK who is this guy. What's the twilight zone. This is something that's something else. You can make your own movie fine but Twilight Zone is something else. I think that's something that's untouchable. I don't know. You better be really good if you're going to try to do a revamp of that show and make it better than Rod Serling. I don't I don't know. [00:04:49] I don't think he can make it better than Rod Serling. I think he's going to have to make it its own thing because you can't really measure it against runs because they're going to though it's got a name Twilight Zone on it. [00:05:00] How can you not. I agree they're going to compare it but I agree with you also that don't even try to do that. [00:05:09] Just like trying your own thing. That's just like trying to compare a man's jokers are all different in different timeframes with different versions like that though. Yes they do. And I truth it's wrong. I don't I separate. [00:05:22] I didn't say whether or not it was. I wasn't trying to weigh the moral implications. What I mean is that people are going to compare these things they had the same name on it. [00:05:31] I wonder if he'll strive for that early twilight zone stick of a twist kind of at the end of every episode or if he'll just play it like a dramatic episode with a weird concept. [00:05:43] It went live on March 11th which was yesterday right now when it went live. The first episode oh on CBS All Access. [00:05:51] Well this is timely. It's out already. Oh I know that literally came out. What is yesterday for us. [00:05:56] Oh well I'll watch tonight. Yes all access you do. I watch Discovery. Oh how do you think he watches discovery. I thought he just ripped it off the amount of time patients for. Too much effort. Well I'm going to watch tonight. [00:06:13] Very curious who's in this this first episode. You know I don't know who's in the first episode but they have a lot of big names who is gonna be within the season. [00:06:21] Do we know if they're shooting for a 30 minute or 60 minute format I kind of would like to see them do 30 minute ones just knock them out and you know yeah that worked best for the twilight. They tried doing those 60 minute yeah the 60 minute ones were OK but the fourth season was all 60. Yes. And I got to say I missed the 30 minute ones there was something about compacting a good story into 25 minutes that just gives it energy and gives it was just the right leg not to wasn't right and not too short. Yeah it's perfect. Yeah. Yes. What did you find it's still loading. [00:06:55] Like continue the story alone. [00:06:58] I cannot answer you. Well you know when when that's loading you bring up a concern I have and that's about Jordan Peele because of what he's made so far. I'm not saying this is going to happen it's just a concern. Get out. And also US are both very they're very much concerned with race and he did it he did it was part of get out and he's doing it again with us. Right. And that's fine. You can have a movie about that. And that's a perfectly fine thing to talk about. I was thinking about this the other day I like to watch movies about about nerds because I'm a nerd like free enterprise. It's about me basically it's about people like me. Like right. So if you want to write a story that involves discrimination or unfair play what at what have you about race. That's fine. But I don't want him to be doing that all the time. Like Spike Lee does. [00:07:57] And I'm hoping that's not the guy I get what you're saying but I really don't think they would do that just because a this is an anthology so show so the cast is going to change every episode and I don't think CBS would get on like if it was a dominantly either racial centric episode show or if it was you know dominantly black actors not that there's anything wrong with that. [00:08:26] I don't have a problem with that. It's not like I get what you're saying. Yes. But let's say every episode was heavily black actors and all that. Again nothing wrong with that. [00:08:36] I do think it would draw attention because that's an obvious like someone's clearly making an effort to do that. You know what I mean and I don't think anyone's interested in doing that and I don't think even if he wanted to and I'm not saying he does I don't think they the studio would allow that. [00:08:54] You know I don't know if this guy has the clout yet to be doing something this large that I don't know. [00:09:01] I do know he. I didn't watch the show but I know that he had his his show before and I know get out did well. [00:09:07] Us is apparently supposed to be not to get political but it was like when Barack Obama was elected president. That's like Who is this guy. What is he done. I had no idea. I had no idea where he came from. At least with other presidents like oh but Bush number one was the CIA director or something else. OK. Well I think he can handle his business. OK. But then somebody comes in you like who is he. What is he what is even done. Like is he proven himself. Same with Jordan Peele like I don't know if he has yet. Like he's done a few good things. And that's not easy but is that enough to give him like the keys to the Twilight Zone. I'm just we're going to find out. Apparently somebody thought it was a good idea. Would you find him. Who's in it. [00:09:50] First I'm wrong. It comes. It starts April 1st. [00:09:53] Oh okay. I'll sneak in like say why is no one talk. I haven't read anything of any reviews nothing's coming up. [00:09:59] It all depends because it's 10 episodes this season. [00:10:02] Ok. And you know you have he of course is in everyone he's a narrator. [00:10:10] He's the host. [00:10:11] He's the host they so far people like Jon Chow uh let me see this list is actually better. [00:10:22] Don't be shy. [00:10:23] Call them all out ok. Seth Rogan Greg Kinnear I can't pronounce that name Jon Chow Jennifer Goodwin Luke Kirby Santa left and Adam Scott racy racy horn Allison Tolman Jacob Tremblay Jessica Williams the one wise and Steven yen. [00:10:44] That's a very diverse cast and who I love from the Walking Dead but that's beside the point. [00:10:49] So I would say at least cast wise I don't think your fears are you know finding a home based on the cast and you I can't tell you what plots are. Well you know how I mean when I don't you meet a creative person when they when they come out and they kind of give you the same message every single time. I know and and I know what get out was about. I haven't seen it but I know it was about I have no idea what US is about. I know the cast is dominantly black but I don't know how that plays into the story. If it's an element of the stories or I'm speaking lightly because I don't know what US is about either No I don't either. Like I said I know it could just be a family and if they're black. Fine but get out. [00:11:29] What about the race. [00:11:30] I do understand this is about a family who go on vacation and then one day this family shows up at their front door. Well at this other family shows up wearing masks they come to the door they open it because they locked it. [00:11:45] It turns out somehow it's them but like their dark dark mirror versions like the mirror verse version of them I see and a horror ensues. [00:11:56] You might have seen that movie like it's not that actual movie but wasn't another movie kind of like that. [00:12:02] But it involved time travel. I don't know what I'm talking about. No I don't. I don't want to say too much because I'm going to get the details wrong. [00:12:09] We'll talk about it afterwards because I know I've seen something very much like but his his their show Key and Peele it did touch on race a lot. One of the funniest things was when he would win. JORDAN PEELE would actually play Barack Obama and he would sit there and go through the handshakes you know handshake a black person a white person you know this woman baby stuff like that. It's very it was very funny. You know just. And it was smooth and in transition well and then there's the the racist zombies episode where they won by black people because that's racist. [00:12:43] You know who does that also for comedy. Dave Chappelle. Yes he did do that. He does it all the time like every time he does a bit he involves race in some way and it gets like hiring. [00:12:54] He did more than that and then just he did. But he would fall back on that. Yes. But what I've tried is his key and peele. They did more than that just race. They did the. My girlfriend is mad at me and she won't get in the car. So I follow her to literally the desert where we see someone else who passed out and died too because she wouldn't get in. And then there's the coach who who does the names wrong pronounces and Timothy like Andre. Do you mean did Ice you mean that E. No it did Ice. You know it's touches on you. He's. That's why I truthfully think cause I watched the show loved it so much I was so upset when it went off the air because it was one of the funniest thing Comedy Central had on period and that they did it well and that's why truthfully and then when. That's why I want to see this. That's why I wanted to see. I want to see us and I want to see everything else that he's done because he he I think he can do this. And with this cast I think he can do this well. He's a very good storyteller so far. A lot of this stuff the movies he's done has touched on race. [00:14:04] The first one was mainly race because that was a strong plot point for the whole movie and that it wasn't something that felt like we're gonna make a movie about race. They literally just. It was because of race not about race. I kind of feel like there's a difference there. Can you elaborate on that. Oh yeah. It's kind of spoiled. [00:14:29] Justin do you know the plot. Generally yes. But I do want to see it. Don't spoil all that. I'm sorry. How many years have you had to watch this damn movie. [00:14:38] Fine do it. I'm not going to try. I'm not going to purposely spoil it literally the whole plot is is that this doctor created a way to do a tree a blade a brain transplant and so they do it for the rich why people go into the young black people because they're stronger and faster and and that's the whole point is because one of the guys was beaten by Jesse Owens for the Olympics and he didn't get to go to the Olympics because Jesse Owens beat them. And so he was able to get to a black guy. The grandfather was and is actually did you not see this either. [00:15:21] No this is not what I expected to come out of your mouth. This is literally what you had to do a brain transplant. OK I didn't spoil it but see that's what it is. What was it like father like son movie. No way. [00:15:34] It's not a race movie it's not a movie because they're black they took them because they're black because they were stronger and faster. You know they could've taken anyone but he always felt because the grandfather put in them that he was faster because he's black because fat black people are that because they're designed that way. And so that's why he went they went after them. [00:15:55] Because if it didn't feel like it was a movie because they're black they were just taken for the fact that they were. But it was an issue it was central to the story. Yes but not in. [00:16:11] But it wasn't about racing. Yes. Are you saying not incidental. It's not about racism. It is about race but it's an involuntary. I didn't say racism I said right. No i it's a difference. [00:16:20] The fact that they're black is the yes of them right. Yes. And us. Sounds like actually really cool story kind of want to see that. Obviously it's about a black family. Again it's not a problem. I still get what you're saying but I don't think. I don't I don't think that's going to go down that road. That he's going to I hope. But it was just like Lee. It was just a concern. [00:16:41] No I'm I don't know about him they've done some good ones like do you guys ever watch Tales from the hood. [00:16:51] No it's pretty much you're going to say Tales From The Crypt. [00:16:54] Well yes but this is pretty much what I feel is a it's an Anthology version of with more black actors and more black story. Is it a movie. It's a movie. It's a movie. It's a movie full anthology. [00:17:11] Why did you see this movie. Let's put it that way because tim does not have racism towards movies. [00:17:17] I doubt you ever. Did I say anything about him. Why did he watch this movie. It's OK. Tales from the hood. It sounds ridiculous. [00:17:25] And he sounded like Tales From The Crypt. Then I read what it was about and I enjoy Telstra. I love anthology stories I love. Well it sounds like like a leprechaun type movie. Like there's nothing wrong with the first leprechaun. OK. OK. It is a product of its own of its time and design. That's the truth. [00:17:41] When he went the hood and then space men we had issues for common space take away that Ray or Davis is awesome. You leave him be. [00:17:49] He is awesome. All that they had the leprechaun did go in the hood. That's right. And then he went to space. Right. [00:17:55] And then there was a point where you went to Vegas I think that was the second one right. Well that's an all. That's when all realism just went. Yeah. I've not seen one of them. The first one. Jennifer Aniston I. That's how she got her debut. I didn't know that they actually spun that because I think around the same time she got friends right. [00:18:10] Jordan Peele the leprechaun. That's how we roll. What else. Kevin Bacon. Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon. [00:18:19] Oh people don't know that anymore. Yeah. That's not a thing anymore. It's still a thing. I like it. So I think it's really people now. Yes. All people know that's all you know. All right well. Well you know what [00:18:32] I mean. I think one thing we didn't touch upon is the fact that this show was basically brought back to other times. We did bring it up in the beginning. Yes. But it was in the 80s for I don't know like three seasons maybe. Gosh. And then in the early 2000s with Forest Whitaker as the host for about 12 seasons that wasn't Twilight. [00:18:49] I don't know what that was either. It was on the UPI and you guys remember the appeal. I remember it it was on that. [00:18:54] That's when they were trying to make a name for themselves with stars I felt like it was like unsolved mysteries or something like something about it aesthetically never felt like Twilight Zone. I can't say I remember. I think they tried redoing like the the Maple Street episode you know that the aliens are watching the people on Maple Street and they're all concerned about aliens or something and then they get paranoid they start killing each other and then the aliens actually watching like well humans actually do suck. I don't think we can visit. You know remember this one. No we're talking about the one that is not the one. No that's a different one where the guy. I think it's an astronaut where he ends up he's in a zoo. No that's that's not nice. Anyway the human zoo one ended I actually was on that order elf which was on a previous efforts. Yes. Right. [00:19:40] But yeah I think they tried to redo some of the classic episodes from the twilight zone but it was an instance of them trying to capture the magic to other times and it didn't didn't work. And the movie and the movie was the same thing they redid some the classic or not all of them. [00:20:00] No they did. They did the Shatner one was remade. Right. The third one the one with the kid. Yeah. Where he sends people into the cornfield. Right. Right. [00:20:11] And the first one though the first one was with symbol with Vic Morrow wasn't like Twilight Zone episode. I want to say I did see a twilight Amazon. It wasn't exactly like that. But I want to say it was there was a guy that had an issue and he was jumping around but it wasn't racist or anything like that. I forget what the difference was but I remember thinking oh that's where they got it. It was this episode but they changed it. [00:20:35] I see what you're saying. That's why I almost think I get it. You call it Twilight Zone and immediately it's going to pique interest. [00:20:44] But if I was Jordan Peele I would almost want to say let let's find a different name for it because I'm going to make this mine and it's going to be this wonderful thing and it will for ever be compared. And you know you can't say the words Twilight Zone and not think of Rod Serling or to less than stellar attempts to rebuild the bird. [00:21:06] The theme song is iconic. Yeah I wonder if they're going to use it. You can't do that again because it actually didn't feel right and a modern thing. Well you know what also doesn't feel right color tie itself needs to be in black and white. That's that's kind of a very good point. Yeah. They both times it was revived. It was in color. He felt completely did not feel right. Yeah. No. It needs to be in black and white well it's not going to be. That's why I'm saying maybe the judges called it something else. [00:21:33] I think they should have been if they called it something else. They'll still compare it to the Twilight Zone. [00:21:38] Fair enough just like they compared Black Mirror to Twilight Zone but Black Mirror is like people are getting a sense of what that is and it's got its own following or identity identity. Thank you. I'm sure this show if it continues will gain its own identity and I kind of feel like maybe they should have done a different name and not tried to trade on their brand. I think Jordan Peele is doing so well for himself right now that they don't need to trade on the brand name a Twilight Zone come up something else and it would probably sell just as well probably especially with that cast. That's a great cast man start throwing some trailers out for that people are gonna get hooked. If anything you could promote it as you know if you liked Twilight Zone you love this if you like black mirror you'll love people will get it oh it's that kind of show it's an anthology it's this and that and then call it whatever you want. [00:22:35] I don't think calling Twilight Zone is a good idea but this is different to promote though because this isn't going on their station this is they're all acts and all access exclusive and they have to do this differently to where that's why first thing they bring out Oh we're making Star Trek again and oh or they're trying to use the name power to get you to make this whole CBS All Access stuff worth it. Mm hmm. Because this is costing them a lot of money to do. [00:23:03] Cbs is really pushing that All Access Now they're going for it do they. Do they smell death in the air for four network. Yeah. [00:23:11] I think they do blow but it's been shifting because people I personally don't have cable or I don't have cable and I have no internet. I literally I get everything off my apps. [00:23:22] Yeah. And I mean with something like Who. You don't need it. Almost everything dumps on Hulu. Yeah. That's how I watch the Orville. Sure. Same. Yeah. [00:23:30] So maybe the tables are almost irrelevant except for like live things like sports which I don't want but Hulu has it set up to where you get the life things that out there you know that's just cost more money. [00:23:42] Yeah. Well we talked about it before. I think it's where it's going. You know and CBS seems to be the first of the major networks to be going gung ho and saying no this is where content is going to be. I don't think they're going to put any new major programming on their network television anymore. I think it's all going and all access like you said and I get it. It's a name. Star Trek is a name. You know Les Moonves who started CBS All Access famously was not a fan of Star Trek. He didn't get it. He thought it was stupid but he acknowledged that a lot of people like it and it makes money so he put money behind it and got Discovery going. And I like it so I get it. Yeah. Twilight Zone to me it will draw some people in there I guess it is what it is. [00:24:31] I just and maybe when I watch it I think to myself Yeah this is Twilight Zone or I may just go Oh it's a really good show I love it. [00:24:37] I just don't connect the name. Well the fact that they've have they are trading on the name did get my attention. I mean if they had said what you're talking about that's you know that's exactly I mean if Jordan Peele had come out with just doing an anthology series with with a title like Night Gallery or something like outer zone or something like that where I probably would why I honestly I probably wouldn't care. I wouldn't would you say the twilight. [00:25:00] Well that's what the outers that you've already said. [00:25:06] I think if he did come out with an anthology series on CBS I don't think I would really care to watch it unless people actually said it's really good we're checking out. I wouldn't have any interest in it anyway. I guess that's why they pick them. But the fact is that it has Twilight Zone attached to it. What do you know about him hosting it. Because I don't know enough about him as a performer because broad certainly those are big shoes to fill man. What's his name that you just said of course. [00:25:30] But of course Whitaker I like Forest Whitaker and I did see his intros and I never felt like not Rod Serling. Now he's no writer is vibe honestly was like you guys were saying Unsolved Mysteries he felt like yeah. [00:25:42] Robert Stack it didn't. Did Dennis Farina do it for the other version who hosted the other 80s 80s when it wasn't Dennis Farina was it. [00:25:51] I don't know that was unsolved that was unsolved mystery. [00:25:56] But he may be great. I don't know. We'll see. But like man find someone that has that sort of what's the word class or avatar gravitas. [00:26:09] Yeah not class gravitas. Someone that uses his history presence like Jordan Peele made me do it perfectly good but he's I can say I know what he looks like and he doesn't strike me as like a good Rod Serling you know replacement maybe he should have cast someone as the narrator because that is such an iconic role. [00:26:31] Well you have to give him a chance to actually do it because you know he looks like doesn't mean that's how he's gonna act like not now because he's not in the same physical shape but like Morpheus. Laurence Fishburne sperm from like his matrix days. He could host that show because he's got he's got the voice when he talks he's he's got command and all of that. I could see that you know I'd say he. I don't know why he was the first one to but maybe because we just watched the Matrix clip. But he has presence and gravitas helm and the guy that did that. I know he's just pick two black guys there's no reason why I'm doing it. But he did. I think it was the Allstate commercials. Dennis Haysbert Dennis Haysbert. That guy's got an amazing voice. And I've seen him talk to the camera. There was a show he did where he did that and I was mesmerized. He's he's amazing in that role but they could have. It's why he works for Allstate. You know just someone with that sort of presence to pull me into the show. [00:27:32] But like I said I could be totally wrong. Peele could be amazing in that role. I don't know. You think they shouldn't have even bothered with the host yes. Because if you're going to call it Twilight Zone I have to do you gotta follow the format. [00:27:44] You know you've got to have an intro come into the hour a teaser come into the host explaining it and then get into the show. [00:27:53] That's the formula to do it. Do you think would you be upset if they don't use the music they're going to tweak. [00:28:01] I think both more I think both revamps did they did you just tweak it. Yeah they did yeah. That they're going to alter it. We're gonna get it. It's gonna be just like in discovery. The theme is in there but like tricked into the air jazz it up. Yeah. Bill and make it sexy. Yeah. Sometimes like that. Don't worry. [00:28:20] Just see how the correctional fulfill a deal we're I tried her out not to. Yeah like 20 year old pop culture references had to go over very well huh. [00:28:38] Funny thing is yes. I didn't know that that was medieval times. And that was real until I moved here. Well that that's a real play. That was a real place cause I'm not from the L.A. area I'm from up north. [00:28:49] How many pencils and means of medieval times hence there are no utensils but they had it seems. Yeah. Do you get a lot of tables all right. Either people we've had a wall. How have we hit a wall. It's funny. Silence Of The Lambs. Yeah I think this would be George Lucas creme in his paintings his paint paints paints. You think a girl like that would hang out with kids like us if we weren't in only one bottle. Well now we've gotten Yeah. All right. Well that's all I have to say about it. I'm eager to see it. And you know I have my concerns but I have certainly high hopes to see. I've got a couple of weeks as of this recording and it comes out so not all reimagining. I'll check it out. [00:29:39] Sure I will too. Well if you like to subscribe to us and I Tunes please do hit that subscribe button give us a rating leave us a comment. Help us up the show grow. You can tweet at us pop at pop culture on blast. You can e-mail us directly at P.S. On Blast at gmail dot com or visit our Web site at pop culture on blast dot lips and dot com. The next time I'm Josh so long. I'm Justin. [00:30:01] I'm Tim. [00:30:10] These are some songs before I go I want to watch the matrix thing again. Oh shit. [00:30:19] I see Felicity Huff.    

How do you apply ancient Buddhist wisdom to your relationship in a way that helps you connect with your partner? How do you build the intimacy even if you're not feeling the love? One day, as Susan Piver was experiencing what felt like an unsolvable problem in her relationship, she heard a voice say “Begin at the beginning - the four noble truths”. And much like the four noble truths of the Buddha, which identify the cause of suffering (and the cure), Susan Piver’s new book The Four Noble Truths of Love: Buddhist Wisdom for Modern Relationships can help you identify not only why relationships can be challenging - but also what to do about it. Along the way, you’ll also learn some powerful strategies for getting centered, finding your own sense of balance, and building the strength and resilience of your relationship - despite all the complexities. 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Resources: Check out Susan Piver’s website Read Susan Piver’s new book, The Four Noble Truths of Love (or check out her bestselling book to foster conversation with your partner, The Hard Questions) FREE Relationship Communication Secrets Guide - perfect help for handling conflict… Guide to Understanding Your Needs (and Your Partner's Needs) in Relationship (ALSO FREE) www.neilsattin.com/susan2 Visit to download the transcript, or text “PASSION” to 33444 and follow the instructions to download the transcript to this episode with Susan Piver. Amazing intro/outro music graciously provided courtesy of: The Railsplitters - Check them Out Transcript: Neil Sattin: Hello and welcome to another episode of Relationship Alive. This is your host Neil Sattin. On this show we are focused time and time again about how to have amazing relationships. And this begs the question, "What makes for an amazing relationship?" And of course, part of that, in fact a big part of that, is the intention that you set. I'm not saying that you rigidly hold to an agenda of what you think your relationship should be, but more that you create a vision with your partner for what you want. And at the same time, if that vision doesn't include some flexibility, some resilience, the ability to work with whatever your relationship brings to you, then you might be in for a really hard time. Neil Sattin: And some aspect of that hard time is probably part of the game. And that is all what we are going to talk about today. We are having a return visit from one of the guests who was here at the very beginning of the Relationship Alive podcast, when it was just a vision more or less that I had. Her name is Susan Piver. And you may recall her from Episode Eight, talking about how to tackle the hard questions. And that's referring to her New York Times bestselling book, "The Hard Questions: 100 Essential Questions to Ask Before You Say I Do". And as you might recall from that, I love questions, they're at the heart of curiosity and which is such an important element in having a successful relationship. But there's more. And thankfully, Susan Piver has been writing about it. In fact, she also is an accomplished and practising Buddhist meditator and mindfulness practitioner and mindfulness teacher and instructor. Neil Sattin: And her latest book, 'The Four Noble Truths of Love', is all about Buddhist wisdom for your relationship. And it contains some unconventional truths that will actually probably be really enlightening for you and for many of you, perhaps even very reassuring in terms of your own experience of relationship. And once you shine your vision and your light on the truth of what is happening, then it gives you a lot of power to work with it. And that's what Susan Piver's latest book is all about. So if you're interested in hearing the first episode that I mentioned, you can visit neilsattin.com/susan. She was the first Susan that we spoke to, so she got to lay claim to the name "Susan" forever for the Relationship Alive podcast. And if you want to download a transcript of this episode, you can visit neilsattin.com/susan2, the number "2," or you can text the word "passion" to the number 3-3-4-4-4 and follow the instructions. So I think that's it. Without further ado, Susan Piver, thank you so much for being here with us today on Relationship Alive. Susan Piver: I am so glad to be here, Neil. Thank you so much for asking me. Neil Sattin: You're most welcome. Yeah, it's great to have you here. And I particularly love your take on relationship, and I have to admit that when I first heard the title of your latest book, 'The Four Noble Truths of Love', I was prepared for something that was a little high-minded or philosophical, and I wasn't prepared for it to be so gritty, the way the book actually is. And so I really appreciate that, your ability to bring some philosophical concepts in a way that's really grounded in what our experience in love can be. Susan Piver: Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm glad. Thank you. Neil Sattin: Yeah. I would say what inspired you, but... And maybe you could talk a little bit about that for people who don't know much about Buddhism and why did you write these 'Four Noble Truths of Love'? What led you to distill it that way? Susan Piver: Yeah, sure, I'm happy to. Well, I was in a place in my marriage... This was, I don't know, some time ago, where I could not get along with my husband. As you know, you're married. Neil Sattin: Yep. Susan Piver: The relationships go through these crazy phases where you feel close and you feel passionate and you feel connected and held, and then one day something happens and you feel distant and unhappy. And we were in a particular cycle that was very unpleasant. We weren't screaming at each other, we weren't furious, nobody had done anything "wrong", we just could not get along. Everything one person said or did hurt the other person or made them angry. And it was bizarre. Even the most simplest questions like, "What do you wanna have for dinner?", could make us have an argument. It felt insane and we didn't know why, and it went on for weeks, and months. Susan Piver: One day I was sitting at my desk, just crying basically, because I did not know how to fix this problem and we had tried talking to each other and not talking to each other, and going to a marriage counselor, and we tried all sorts of things. And I realized as I was sitting at my desk, "I do not know how to fix this, I don't even know where to begin." And a voice said to me or I had a thought, I don't know what it was, but it said, "Begin at the beginning. At the beginning are four noble truths." So this meant something to me as a long time Buddhist practitioner, because the four noble truths, the first teachings that the Buddha gave upon attaining enlightenment, are like the core of the entire Buddhist path to this day. So I'm like, "Oh, four noble truths. Yes, I know what they are, but how would they apply to my relationship?" The four noble truths of Buddhism are the first truth is, life is suffering. And I know that sounds terrible, I don't think the Buddha meant life sucks. It meant something more like life is unsatisfying. Meaning, you think, "Well, if I have this job or this relationship or this amount of money or this accomplishment, I will be safe, I will be free from suffering, I will be happy." Susan Piver: And yeah, those things are great and they will make you happy for a time, but they will not exempt you from the suffering of being human, that's a bummer. [chuckle] And the second noble truth is called, the cause of suffering. The cause of suffering is called grasping, which basically means pretending like the first noble truth is not true and trying nonetheless to create stable ground for yourself and trying to hold on to the things you think will make you happy, and push away the things that you think will make you unhappy. While that is a very sensible approach to life, it's still not gonna create the kind of stability that we hope for. And the third noble truth is called the cessation of suffering, which means something like, now that you know the cause, you also know the cure. If the cause is grasping, stop grasping, which obviously is not that simple but there's some insight there. You stop grasping. Susan Piver: And the fourth noble truth is called the eightfold path, Buddhism is full of numbers, as I'm sure you know. And the eightfold path are the eight steps that you could take that would eliminate grasping, and therefore exempt you from suffering. And the eightfold path are things like right view, and so on. So okay, I thought, "Well, that's cool. What does this have to do with my love life though?" And so I just started noodling around with these four truths which basically, as I say, follow a sequence, there's a statement of the truth, the cause of the truth, the cure for the suffering, and then the steps you can take to put that cure into play. So when it came to love, what I came up with is the first noble truth of love is that relationships never stabilize, they are uncomfortable. Neil Sattin: Dun dun dun. Susan Piver: [chuckle] Why didn't anyone ever tell us this? Sorry. It never stabilizes. You can be in a period, like we were talking about earlier, where everything's great, and then that disappears and a different phase arises, they're like weather fronts. And the discomfort of relationships is present at every point in the relationship arc. If you are going on a blind date, you don't even know the person. It's already very uncomfortable 'cause you think, " Oh, what if they don't like me?" or, "What if they do like me?" or, "What if I start recreating all my relationship problems before dessert?", and it's just uncomfortable. And then if you fall in love, of course, it's fantastic. But it's also uncomfortable in its own way, because it's so intense, so fraught. And you think, "What did that look mean? And maybe I shouldn't have worn those pants," or every moment is very heightened, which is heavenly, like I say, but it's also uncomfortable. And then in a longterm relationship, the discomfort morphs into something called irritation. There just is this perpetual, maybe not constant, but this relatively constant irritation of living with another person. No matter how much you like each other and love each other, it gives rise to this kind of, you're rubbing against each other in an uncomfortable way, because for various reasons. Susan Piver: I don't know what the real reason is, but anyone who's been in a relationship for more than a year will say, "Yeah, I don't like the way they do this and they don't like the way I do that," and there's tiny things, but they cause irritation. So that's the first noble truth. The relationships don't stabilize and they are uncomfortable. Neil Sattin: Yeah, and that was for me, just reading that, I felt this big yes within me. Like of course, and in so much of the grasping on to this idea that a perfect relationship is always smiles, is never suffering, is perfect parenting, is we're always amazing lovers together, that's just a recipe for disappointment over and over again. And also for, I think, a lot of us to feel like, "If that's what you subscribe to, well, wow, I must be doing really horribly." Susan Piver: [chuckle] Yeah. Neil Sattin: Or it's what drives people apart, because they think, "Well, we're not having that ideal thing. So there must be some fatal flaw to this particular connection." Susan Piver: Yep, and to add to that confusion is sometimes there is a fatal flaw. And it's not always easy to tell the difference, but for the lion's share of what we experience in what I would call ordinary relationship problems, which can range from anything from, "You're always late, and that really makes me mad," to, "Oh, you didn't tell me that you were contemplating gender reassignment surgery." That's a big deal, big, big deal. But none of those things are indications of harm, I would say, although they may be painful. Intentional harm. So I just wanna make clear that I exempt from this whole view, relationship problems that are rooted in abuse of any kind or addiction. Those are different kinds of problems, a different arena, and these things don't apply. But otherwise, yeah, we think... When most of us say we're looking for love, we don't really mean that. It's something that I've noticed in myself and others. We're not looking for love, we're looking for safety, we're looking for someone who will help us make a cocoon where we can retreat when it's a little dramatic, or overly traumatized. But we're looking for someone who will help us escape sorrow and make us feel whole, and healed, and hopefully the person you're in love with will do those things for you. Susan Piver: But it's not that simple. So there's actually nothing less safe than love. And when we try to make it safe, it becomes something else. Not love exactly, but yeah. So I felt relief too when I realized that, by the way, like, "Oh yeah, there are things that are wrong in this relationship, but we're not doing anything wrong in the sense that this is, this was a bad choice. Neil Sattin: Right right. And I really like that you make that distinction, that in a relationship where you're experiencing abuse or one or both of you is plagued by addiction, that changes the rules a bit, in terms of what one should do, I think to get help and what's acceptable in a relationship. Susan Piver: I agree. Neil Sattin: And this question around safety, this was actually... I'm so glad that you brought this up right now, because this was actually one of the things that I felt myself... That was a little edgy for me. And the reason why being, not because I think that relationships are safe, in fact I think that the act of being so vulnerable automatically exposes you to being the potential to be harmed by your partner. And so much of what we have to do is learn how to embrace that vulnerability without succumbing to the fear that your partner is actually out to get you, which is what that kind of vigilance can feel like, right? Susan Piver: Yeah. Neil Sattin: But on the flip side, there's so much important material and juice there in relationship for couples who are paying attention to the safety, the safety of their, the container of their relationship, actually helping each other stay out of a primal brain-triggered state as much as possible, not that you'll never get there. This is my own personal view. So, I'm curious for you, how do you reconcile that between... Well, there is some safety to the container that we want to be conscious of and actually contributing to, and then there's this statement of yours that lands right in that, which is that love isn't safe. Susan Piver: Well that's a great question. It's a really good question. And I would say the answer has something to do with trust. Obviously the opposite of safe is untrustworthy, unsafe. So I'm just gonna share with you a little anecdote from my own life. When my husband, my now husband and I first got involved, he was going through a very difficult divorce, and I didn't know how it was gonna work out for us. It really could just as easily have gone in any direction because it was just a very, very tumultuous time in his life. And friends would say to me, "This is a danger side, or this is a red flag or whatever." Yeah, but at no point to this very day, have I ever doubted how he felt about me, or what his intentions were toward me. Susan Piver: So even though it could have just as easily have gone completely off the rails, and it was very unsafe, I did not distrust him. And to this day, I can't explain why, but there was just this instinct. This guy is on my side, and neither of us knows how it's gonna play out. But I don't doubt, I don't doubt who he is and what he feels. So that... Without that, almost nothing could have happened. Without that, it's very, very hard to allow for even the slightest vulnerability, and I would say, nor should you allow for it, because that foundational trust, which feels different to different people and is based on different things, it can't be described or there's no... It's not formulaic. But without that, for me, I would have, it would have been a very bad, very bad experience. So does that make sense? Neil Sattin: Yeah, and I appreciate that you're making the distinction that it had what you needed to feel, at a foundational level, you could trust this person. Susan Piver: I knew he loved me. Neil Sattin: Yeah. Yeah. And yet you also go on to describe, in your book, times where you're convinced that you hate him and he hates you and that's part of the cycle, right? That we can experience? Susan Piver: Yes it is. Neil Sattin: Yeah. I think that at the beginning of a relationship, part of... Whether it's the divine purpose or the genetic purpose of all those neurochemicals that go through our bodies, is to make us trust the other person before we really should on some level, you know? Susan Piver: Interesting. Neil Sattin: That it puts us in a state where we're willing to be a little bit more vulnerable. So it gets us, and I'm just thinking off the top of my head now, but maybe it gets us into proximity in a way that allows for true intimacy. Now we're getting in maybe into the spiritual component of why this all might happen, but it's that proximity that allows the true intimacy to blossom. Susan Piver: Interesting. That's very interesting. Neil Sattin: Well, we heard it here first. [laughter] Susan Piver: Yes we did. Neil Sattin: So there's... So if relationships are never stable, then let's go to the second truth that you wrote about in your book. Susan Piver: Okay. The second truth is the cause of the problem which, oversimplified, is thinking that they should be stable and comfortable actually makes them unstable and uncomfortable. So imagine if you just sort of gave up the idea that it's gonna be comfortable, it's going to be... Someday we're gonna hit the relationship lotto number and we're gonna fix this problem, we're gonna solve this issue, or we're gonna create this thing that we don't have that we need, and once we get all these things in a row, we're gonna go into some relationship evenness that will not change. And aiming toward that, driving toward that vision of what this relationship should be, I, in my own relationship, actually is a cause of a lot of discomfort. Susan Piver: I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to solve our problems. We have lots of problems and we're trying to solve them all the time and constantly adjusting, and tweaking, and reviewing, and working, and losing the thread and regaining the thread with the issues that are in our relationship. So I'm not saying that you just should stop doing that, but if you think, "Well, we're gonna tweak this thing and then it's gonna be perfect, and I'm gonna get everything I need and so will the other person. And unless that happens, it's not good." A lot of pain between two people. So the second noble truth is, "Thinking it should be stable adds to the instability." Neil Sattin: Yeah, I've read that and I was like, "Wow, that is so brilliant." That it's that expectation that really adds all this, like an extra layer of anxiety and fuel to the fire of whatever... Whatever is happening in that moment. So if what's... If something comes up that makes you really uncomfortable and rather than being able to be present for it, you have all this, "It shouldn't be this way. Oh no, something is wrong." If those are the kinds of things that are coming up, then it actually removes you, it removes you from being able to respond and then, at the same time, it adds all this intensity to whatever is come up. Susan Piver: Agreed. Agreed. And the brilliance is in the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, in this sense, because the first noble truth, as you remember, is, "Life the suffering." Second noble truth is, "The cause of suffering is grasping." So it's very interesting. It doesn't say, "The suffering is the suffering." [chuckle] Neil Sattin: Right. Susan Piver: It says, "Grasping is the suffering." So in other words, suffering is part of the deal. We're all gonna have losses, we're all gonna have problems, we're all gonna gain things, and lose things and that is unavoidable. But in the Buddhist view, that is not considered the real suffering. Although of course it is, but the real suffering is what we add on top of it, which, in this case, is called grasping. So mapped over to relationships, yes, there are going to be problems. You're going to like each other, you're not going to like each other, there's going to be desires, there's gonna be disconnection. That's gonna happen, that's what we saw... That's part of the relationship mandala. But thinking it shouldn't be that way, actually causes more pain than the pain points themselves. Neil Sattin: I'm just laughing on some level, because while we're having this conversation, I'm noticing that we've had a little bit of Internet difficulty, and I don't think it's bad enough that... I think everyone listening is getting everything you're saying, and I'm glad, because it's really important. And I'm noticing that I think the local airport changed the flight patterns, so there are airplanes flying overhead now. The next door neighbor's dog is barking, and within me is the potential for all this grasping, like, "Oh, it shouldn't, it shouldn't be this way. I should be in a soundproofed hermetic chamber with a big fibre optic tube connecting you and me directly so that there are no hitches." [chuckle] Neil Sattin: So while we're talking, I myself am embracing this practice of like, "Okay, this is what is, this is what's happening right now." Here in... Susan Piver: Wow. Neil Sattin: In the podcast. Susan Piver: That's interesting, that's very interesting. That's a perfect illustration. It's a perfect illustration. And sometimes in Buddhism that's called the suffering of suffering, the suffering of succotash. [laughter] Susan Piver: There's suffering and then there's the suffering of suffering. So in relationships, there's the discomfort and then, which is natural, and then there's the discomfort of the discomfort, which is optional. Neil Sattin: Right, right, yeah, and when you're talking about that too, I think you talk a lot in your book about projections and this has come up on the show before, this notion of what's within you that you wish were happening or that you think is happening, versus what actually is happening and how much those projections are getting in the way of the is-ness of what is actually happening right there in front of you. Susan Piver: Yeah, it's very hard to see. It's very hard to see. We're all looking through a particular lens. Neil Sattin: So like the Buddhist noble truths lay out this very logical argument about why life is so hard and how to deal with it. I know, I totally oversimplified that. [chuckle] Susan Piver: No, that was good, I think that was accurate. [chuckle] Neil Sattin: But here we are, we are on this path through the relationship Noble Truths, and we've got, relationships are never gonna be stable. Trying to make them stable is why you're having such a hard time. And then this is where it really gets beautiful is, I think, I mean it's been beautiful all along, Susan, but with the third Truth, which is what we bring... So take it away, Susan. [chuckle] Susan Piver: Yeah, and I appreciate that and I agree, this is where... 'Cause I think the first two sound like, "Okay, it's a problem, deal with it." The third one is... Actually can be quite beautiful. So the third noble truth of love is that meeting the instability together is love or loving. So, in other words, rather than trying to get it to stabilize, and this is what you need to do to make it stable, and this is what I need to do to make it stable, and I don't wanna do that and you should do this instead and all of that. Conversations that must be had but, nonetheless, if instead of looking at each other as the source of the problem and the solution, I would say a great partner is one who will instead turn to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, to look out at the arc of the ride that you are on together now. Susan Piver: Usually, like I say, we look at each other. You did this, I did that. But this... And good, you should do that. But this part says, "Well, you could also notice what's happening right now in your relationship, together, meaning... And open to it." Meaning now, oh, we love each other, this is great. Now, we don't really like each other, I don't know why. Now you really like me and I'm not that interested in you. And now we can get along and now we can't get along. Someone who will be like... I picture it as someone that's on a roller coaster ride with you. And you're not trying to flat straighten out the ride, you're just dipping and diving together and staying seated together. To me, that is a great partner. Just someone who will be on the ride with you. I don't mean that in a cavalier way, I mean literally join you in this incredible ride and be on it together. Whatever's happening, whether you're going uphill or downhill. Neil Sattin: Right, being willing to say, "Here we are." Susan Piver: Yeah, exactly. Neil Sattin: And there's a lot of power in that, in that willingness to just be. And you talk about this too. I'm curious, maybe we can bring that in now, is the power of honesty, being honest about what is. But, and this veers us into the fourth noble truth, which is about the path and how honesty is used. And maybe we could talk about how that's part of the path and how that weaves into where we're going from here. Susan Piver: Sure, yeah, thank you. So the fourth noble truth says, "Here's how you could possibly do these things, potentially do these things." And I looked at the three basic cycles of teachings within Buddhism and what they suggest, in terms of creating a spiritual path, and mapped them over to what they would mean to me, 'cause all of this is what it means to me and then I'm sharing it so it's useful to others. How would I map those into my relationship? So, they're basically four qualities. The first two belong to the first cycle. Then the third and fourth belong to the second and third cycles, sorry to be confusing. And the first quality that is... These first two qualities create the foundation for a relationship. And just like anything, a house, or spiritual path, or a piece of art, if you don't have a foundation, you're not getting anywhere. You have to have the foundation for your relationship, for your house, for your whatever it is you're doing. And the qualities that create a foundation, meaning if you don't have them, you're not gonna be able to build anything, are first, honesty. Susan Piver: So that doesn't mean saying what you think the moment you think it. That's silly. It means first knowing the truth yourself about who you are and what you feel. And that doesn't mean you have to know yourself perfectly and always be completely clear about how you feel. But it means knowing when you are clear and knowing when you are not. Knowing when you know the truth and knowing when you don't and then adapting your behavior to that truth. So if you can't be honest, or you're with someone who can't be honest, not because they're a liar necessarily, although some people are, but because they don't know how to tell the truth, it's gonna be very hard to have a relationship. You could have a great time. You could have an awesome love affair, but it would be hard to make a relationship, I think. And the second quality that is foundational, it sounds funny, I think, is called good manners. And I don't mean knowing which fork to use particularly, but... Neil Sattin: But that is so important. Susan Piver: Knowing which fork to use? Neil Sattin: Yes. [laughter] Susan Piver: Well, if it's important to you, then it is important, Neil. And in addition, it's important to... Good manners are very profound. They're predicated on awareness that there's actually another person present. Neil Sattin: Yeah. Susan Piver: And taking an interest in what they think and what they feel and what they need. Not that you have to supply it, but... Oh, this is what they're experiencing now. How could I help? How could I know when I can't help and back away? How can I notice where they are in their inner life and just recognize it? So, if you're with someone who is not aware that you're there, and therefore cannot have good manners, well then obviously there's very little you can do in terms of a relationship. So honesty and good manners, I would say, are foundational. And then the third quality here is just simply called openness, or openheartedness, and this refers also to the part, the cycle in the Buddhist teachings. First you create your foundation by being disciplined and keeping things simple and so on, and then your heart naturally opens to others. Susan Piver: And this is the part in the Buddhist cycle where you think, "Oh, I'm not the only person here on earth, there are others. And I could actually begin to look at them as having equal importance to myself, if not greater, from time to time." It's radical, quite radical. And in a relationship, what it means is that you actually look at the other person as having at least equal importance to yourself in the relationship. I have to say, I found that quite shocking. I thought my relationship was about me, and sometimes I was like, "Oh well, now I guess it's about him." Neither of those... Sometimes both of those are true, but really it's about us thinking about us, not to the exclusion of you or me, but can I look at this person as having equal status in this relationship? It sounds like a silly question, but it's surprising how infrequently we act as if that was true. Susan Piver: And then the fourth step here is called letting go or going beyond, and what it means in this context is looking at everything that happens between the two of you, good, bad, and ugly, not as a way to create more love or an opportunity to create more love, 'cause sometimes there is more love and sometimes there isn't, but as an opportunity to deepen intimacy. And this, when I realized it, was very, very heartening to me, because I knew, even before we got married, I cannot commit to loving this person. Sometimes, I will feel love, and sometimes I won't. But what I can commit to is to deepen intimacy and to look at everything that happens between us. Not, again, as a way to have more love, but to have more intimacy, to know each other better. And I have found that there's nothing that you cannot feed into the intimacy machine, because love, like I say, comes and goes, but intimacy has no end. You never get to a point where you're like, "Oh yeah, we know each other perfectly. There's no... Nothing more to reveal or know." There's always more. And so, that is an honest commitment. "I vow to deepen intimacy" is a more true vow, I think, than, "I vow to love." So I found that really inspiring. [laughter] Neil Sattin: Yeah. Yeah, it's so, it's so expensive. And I think in terms of, especially if you're feeling like your relationship has gotten stale or boring, a more conventional approach to that might be to try to add some novelty, right? So like make things spicier. Susan Piver: Right. Neil Sattin: What I hear you saying is that, that my... Yeah, all the gears are turning right now. That that stagnation could be from not really turning towards your partner and from not actually meeting the person, the full human who is right there in front of you with their own set of needs, desires, etcetera, and that through leaning in with each other and creating more intimacy even in those moments, even in those moments where the love may not fully be there, or you might have the caring, but not the fire, or it could be any number of permutations of how you feel towards the person, but that the willingness to turn in and be present with what is happening creates intimacy that ultimately creates more, creates more. And more vibrancy, maybe is the word that I'm looking for. Susan Piver: Yeah, I would say the vibrancy is always possible, but it creates problems for me, or I would think, to look at boredom as a problem that needs to be solved. We all prefer a relationship that's exciting and dynamic to one that is dull, obviously. And maybe it is dull for some reason that you should investigate. Absolutely, and do that investigation, but it's also possible to just be bored together. What is it like when we're bored together? Let's, let's... Can we do that? Can we be side by side in this bored, boring place? I know that doesn't sound like fun, but there's something very, at the same time, intimate about being where you are together. In fact, there is no other definition of intimacy, I don't think, than just being where you actually are together. And again, I know that this doesn't sound like fun. [chuckle] Susan Piver: And this is not three ways to keep it awesome, this is not that book. [chuckle] Susan Piver: If you have ever been on a retreat, for example, where there's silence, you find that at first it's intimidating or, "Oh, it's gonna be lonely or sad or whatever," but after a while you find that it is so intimate to just not talk, but to be with other people. It's bizarre. All of these projections, drop away and you just are together. So, excuse me, the idea that you could be with someone to whom you have nothing to say right now, but just be there, it's very intimate. It's strange. I remember after being on my first silent retreat thinking to myself somewhere in the middle of it, "What were all those words I used to say? [chuckle] Why did I need to say that?" Anything, because just being together without a particular agenda is really, really deep and rich. Neil Sattin: Yeah, an experience that I've had that's along those lines, I have done a silent retreat, but we also, my wife and I are a part of this practice that we do called Infinity Practice. And every year we have a retreat, and one of the things that we do is we do a form of muscle testing before we speak. So that nothing that you say is something that you haven't tested strong. Like that it's generative to actually say this thing. Susan Piver: Wow. Neil Sattin: So that's been another little twist on that is just feeling how much we use words idly versus when are we actually... When are we saying something that actually contributes to the life around us? Susan Piver: That's so interesting. What is it called? Infinity what? Neil Sattin: Well, we've been studying with a teacher in actually out in the Northampton area. Infinity Healing Practice. It's something that she created. And I've talked about it a little bit here on the show. I think we're five years into our training with this person. Susan Piver: That sounds great. Neil Sattin: It's sort of a blend of Shamanist practices and neural science and acupressure, and it's got a lot of different components to it. Susan Piver: Cool. Neil Sattin: Yeah. But we actually use muscle testing all the time in our relationship, when we're trying to make choices about things, or what we're gonna do, or what we're gonna eat, or who's gonna massage the other person, things like that. [laughter] Susan Piver: That's an awesome idea. I'm gonna try that. I think that sounds great. My husband will really roll his eyes and laugh at me. I don't care. It will be... I think he would actually end up enjoying it. Neil Sattin: Yeah, it's handy and fun. It also has a little, not that this is intentional or by design, but it makes it all feel kinda like a game, and you realize also that some of it is kind of arbitrary. Some of the things that we take so seriously, "Well, I massaged you last night, now I'm gonna message you again?" That you can go like, "Well yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. For some reason that's generative. So I guess it's my turn to give again." Susan Piver: That's awesome. Neil Sattin: And that reminds me too of one thing that you speak about that's so important. First I'm thinking about overall, how relationship is a practice. And then you also mention the act of loving and giving love, and how that's an element that you find is missing from a lot of the popular culture about how to get love or how to preserve the love in a relationship. Susan Piver: Yeah, it's interesting. If you look at the self help books about relationships. I've noticed this when I wrote my very first book, "The hard questions", that you mentioned earlier, 'cause I was like looking for books, like, "How do you do this whole being married thing?", and I noticed that all, I'll say 100%, although I'm sure there's some exceptions, but 100% of the books that I found were about how to get love. How to get someone to love you, how to get love to return to you, how to get more love, and none of them were about how to give love, unless it was in the service of getting love. So that always surprised me. Like why, why? Because for a variety of reasons, but one of them is loving as we talked about earlier, it's so vulnerable, and everybody feels powerless because you kind of are. However, there is one way to take the seat of power in relationships. I don't mean of domination, obviously, of just feeling empowered, and that is as a lover. That's a very empowered place. I'm going to love, I'm going to be a lover. I'm going to give love." It doesn't mean to the exclusion of getting love, or I'm putting myself second, it just means my focus is going to be on "What can I give?". Susan Piver: And then also, "What can I get?", 'cause you don't wanna be stupid. But if you just even bring in the question, "What can I give?", it changes things because the predominant question for most of us, myself included, is "What can I get? What will I get if I do this?" But when you shift it to just at least also ask, "What can I give?", I find I have a rush of confidence and empowerment that I don't feel when I'm asking, "What can I get"? Neil Sattin: Yeah, yeah, and I think that you refer to this toward the end of the book in a question maybe from someone from your Facebook group. I think you took a bunch of questions and answered them and talked about that, like how one might discern when their giving is a little lopsided, and they're actually in an unhealthy situation, versus learning more about your own power to give, to be loving, to show up that way in life. And this might be a great time to talk about the power of mindfulness and meditation, 'cause there are some great practical things. This is something that, again, I love about your book, it's very readable for one thing, and you lay out the arguments, the relationships never stabilize, expecting them to be stable is the problem, meeting the instability together is what love is, and there's a path through to liberation. So we've covered all those things, but then at the core is a need to, I think, get clear and to be receptive and to be as open to this thing that we've mentioned several times over the course of this conversation, to what actually is, to being present, even if you're being present to the boredom, as you mentioned earlier. That seems like it would be impossible without learning mindfulness. Susan Piver: It would be for me. Neil Sattin: Yeah. Susan Piver: It would, but there are people for whom it's not impossible. But I'd say it's rare. But yeah, if you don't know how to work with your mind, then it's very, very confusing. Of course, I'm not saying you have to know how to do it perfectly, at least I hope not because I certainly don't. [chuckle] Neil Sattin: Now we're gonna have to write "The Four Noble Truths of Meditation". [laughter] Susan Piver: Right, right, right. Meditation is actually about placement of attention. So if I say to you, I don't know, "Don't look at your foot, left foot, but place your attention on your left foot," something sort of goes to your left foot. And if I say, "Now, place your attention on your right earlobe," which you can't look at, "But just move that attention to your right earlobe and just notice it," that's all mindfulness is. Something moves between those two points between your ear and that something is your awareness, your attention. And all that happens in meditation is you are practicing working with that, placement of attention. In case of what I teach, and the most common object of attention is your breath. You're not practicing placing attention on breath so you can be great at placing attention on breath, because there's not much utility in that skill, but you're practicing with the breath so that when you talk to a human being you can place your attention on them, because you have learned how to place your attention on what is happening. Because the breath is always in the present, you can't breathe in the past or the future. So, if your attention is on the breath, you could make the argument that your attention is in the present. Susan Piver: And then when someone's talking to you or you're trying to make a decision about what job to take or who you are, you can actually place your attention on the thing that you want to contemplate. It sounds so simple, and it is, but it is not easy, and for most of us, our attention remains on what we hope and what we fear. So we don't actually... It's hard to hear the person who's talking to us outside of that lens of, "Will this be good for me or will this be bad for me?" And those are important questions, and you should not release those questions, but first, can you actually hear what's being said to you? And so as... If you train in mindfulness in some way, whatever way makes sense to you, the likelihood that you will be able to answer "yes" is greatly increased, I would say. Although my husband doesn't practice meditation, and never has, but he's good at paying attention. So he's one of those people. Neil Sattin: Maybe he is, and maybe he's gotten a little through osmosis. Susan Piver: No, no, no, no. [laughter] He's much better at this kind of thing than me. He's much better, he is. He's much better, much more relational than I am, and I've learned a lot from him. He's good at relationships. I have to write books about them 'cause I'm not good at them. [laughter] Neil Sattin: I'll get him on the show next time, I guess. Susan Piver: That would be awesome. [laughter] Neil Sattin: Well, Susan, again, I so appreciate your visiting us here on the podcast, and I think your book, 'The Four Noble Truths of Love', is a perfect... I don't know why the word antidote comes, I don't want it to be an antidote, but it goes really well, it's a good, it's a good... No, it's not a seasoning 'cause it stands on its own. All these metaphors are failing me right now, but when you hold it next to a book, like let's say, 'Getting the Love You Want', which is like a classic, and it came to mind immediately when you said so many books are about getting love, because this book is actually really helpful, and there's a lot in it about how to give, in particular, how to give your attention in how you communicate with your partner. And so, props to Harville Hendrix and Helen LaKelly Hunt. At the same time on the flip side of it, I think there's so much richness in what you're adding to the conversation about really expanding your view of what this whole relationship thing is all about, and how to find yourself in it so that you don't lose yourself there. Susan Piver: I really appreciate that, and yeah, learning how to get, receive love, and learning how to give love, seems that one without the other would be not so great. So it's good that there are ways to explore both. Neil Sattin: Well, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that at the end of your book there are some great... You talk about establishing a meditation practice, and we talked about that a little bit a moment ago with placing attention on the breath. And I like how you talk about just getting in the habit of it is so important. Five minutes a day is better than nothing, and better than 30 minutes once a month, so that you're developing that muscle, that habit. And then you also offer some other things. So when you pick up Susan's book, which I hope you will, there's a great addition to loving kindness meditation, that we've talked about a little bit on the show but you had some extra bonus ways to do that that I really love. And also a way to practice conversation, that's again really helpful and centering, and can bring some of this practice to how you relate with your partner. So, I love those practical additions at the end of your book. Susan Piver: Thank you. Neil Sattin: And I would love for you to let our listeners know how they can find out more about you and your work and what you're doing right now. And I know you have a lot of offerings for everyone. Susan Piver: I appreciate that. Yeah, my website's susanpiver.com, just my name, P-I-V-E-R, is a way to keep track of where I'm teaching, and it's also, if you're interested in learning meditation, a place for you to sign up for the open heart project, which is my online community. It's free and I send out a guided 10-minute meditation instructional video every week on Mondays. And if you wanna learn to meditate or re-establish your practice, I heartily invite you to check it out. But my website susanpiver.com is the best place to find these things. Neil Sattin: Great, and we will have links to all of that in the transcript for the show. And as a reminder, if you want to download the detailed transcripts just visit neilsattin.com/susan2, that's the number "2". Or you can text the word "passion" to the number 3-3-4-4-4 and follow the instructions. Although I'm tempted to have them text the word "boredom". [laughter] Susan Piver: That's what it is. That's so funny. Neil Sattin: But don't do that, don't text. Well I don't know, maybe I'll see if that word's available, if it is, I'll make something cool, and if it's not I take no responsibility for whatever happens if you text the word "boredom" to that number. Susan Piver: That is so funny. Neil Sattin: And in the meantime, Susan, I hope to have you on again. I just so appreciate the depth and richness that you bring to the conversation about relationship, and taking one's seat in the middle of it. Susan Piver: Well, I appreciate that. It's a pleasure to talk with you, and congratulations on your podcast. It's really bringing great conversations to light, and I'm just happy that you're making these kinds of insights and view points available to others. Thank you for doing this. Neil Sattin: Yeah, it's my pleasure. I'm glad. I'm glad that I can be on this end, bringing everything to people, so it feels good. Thank you for saying that, I appreciate it.  

Today we're talking about money. You're probably either in two camps - you're either excited about money or not excited about money. I am going to talk about money mindset for Christians. I am not a money mindset coach, I'm not a financial planner, but what I do know is the truth of the Bible. Money does not need to be feared, it does not need to be something we dislike, and I know money is powerful. God has given us money, he's given us currency to do things with. I see so many people where money is an issue. I do work for Tonya Rineer who is a money mindset coach and maybe that's why these things are at the forefront of my mind because of that awareness and how people look at money, but regardless, money is important to us as business owners. Tonya is a lot on the woo woo side so if you want to check her out, you can find her here.  First I'm going to read to you out of my devotional, Created for This. Money is important. I wouldn't be sitting in my house if I didn't have money. We need it and that's why I'm talking about it.  We need to make a profit or our business would be a hobby. The Proverbs 31 woman knows this and when she finds that her work is profitable, she doesn't stop working. And she's profitable. Then she gives money to the poor. This theme of giving money continues into Romans 12:13. We're able to give money we earn to others. Our business is not just about us. It can be used by God. But we must not make more of the gift than the gift giver. As Christian business owners, we don't need to be afraid of money, we can show godly wisdom as we handle our money. I love the fact that money allows us to give money to others. While I was a missionary, I learned how big of a blessing it is for missionaries to receive support from others. I want to talk about how we view money, I'm reading out of Luke 12:13-24. Life is more than our possessions. Saving for life, saving for retirement is a good thing, but when we start putting money before our relationship with God, that's not a good thing. We see a good biblical representation of money. I love how in Luke it says, abundance is more than possessions. I've been preparing for an abundance workshop. It's something that the world has taken and twisted a little bit. In my new book, I'm writing about topics that are important to the Christian faith and in the business world. As we look at money, what I want to highlight for you guys is that money is okay. Money is good. Money allows us to do so many things. I want you to stop looking at money as something is bad. God doesn't say that money is bad. It can be when we place money over our relationship with God. It can be when strive to attain wealth.  We need to start looking at money as a tool that God has given us so we can work in the lives of other people. I want you guys to be like 'Have you heard that one about money? Money's good you guys.' There are so many times when money has been a source of anxiety in my own life. But God always provides. There have been times when I've seen God bless people with money, whether bills get paid by other people or we get a job when we need it. God sees that money is stressful because he sees us struggling over it. God will put us in situations where God will have us rely on him. As he sees our faithfulness and as we return to him, we're able to move forward and have a greater trust in him.  I'd love for you to join me for the abundance workshop. It has blessed my socks off learning about true abundance. I can't wait to share it with you. Bible verses used: Proverbs 31:18-20 Romans 12:13 Matthew 6:19-24 Luke 12:13-21 Abundance workshop May 14-18. We're walking through what biblical abundance looks like, why it matters, what it means in our businesses and how to move forward in true abundance. Sign up now. To get amazing tasting salsa from Pirate Ringo for yourself, your mom, your dad or your BFF, go to their website and order now.

Subscribe to our podcast on: iTunes – Google Play – Stitcher Radio – Spotify – Web Player Hire Josh Ochs to speak at your organization. Josh sat down with seven high school students from Sato Academy of Mathematics and Science in Long Beach, CA. This is the first part of the interview. In this episode we discuss screen time, Instagram vs Snapchat, how students want to be talked with to get them to solve their own problems. Key Takeaways: As kids, if parents tell us one thing we're going to do exactly the opposite If your child doesn't have a lot of self-control you should monitor the amount of time that they spend on their phone Parents set an example for their children When did you get your first phone? [1:07] I got my first phone in second grade. I know that's pretty young but that is because my parents are divorced. I was going from house to house different weekends. I got a flip phone called a Duke that you could flip open. –Megan I got my first phone in sixth grade. It was like a flip phone but it had a touchscreen. –Eric I got my first phone in the summer of seventh grade. I went up to Seattle to see my aunts and then I flew alone on the plane so my mom felt it was necessary for me to have a little phone. I got a flip phone and that connected with me with her. –Nate I got my first phone between 3rd and 4th grade. It was a smartphone. It was because I walked to school. My mom was a "techy" person so she gave me a Galaxy S1. –Brendon I think it was 4th or 5th grade when I got my first cellphone. The reason I got one is I was going between both sides of my family. They wanted to keep in touch and check up on me to make sure I'm alive. –Kiyo I got my first phone in the summer after tenth grade. –Sarah I got my first phone at 7. My parents weren’t together. I used to travel back and forth a lot so they wanted to keep in contact. –Xavier When did you get social media and what app did you use first? [3:14] I got Facebook when I was in fifth grade. It was because I have a divorced family. It was cool to be able to connect with family on both sides. If I went on vacation with one of my families, I could post pictures and connect with them. The important factor was connecting with family that I haven't really talked to in a while. –Megan I got social media around sixth grade because I had a girlfriend at that time. She thought it was necessary. –Eric I got my first Facebook account in sixth grade. My mom wanted to get boosted on Farmville so she got to a much higher level. and I got to play Farmville so that was my first experience with social media. –Nate I think I got social media around fourth grade. It was MySpace. –Xavier I joined SnapChat at 16. –Sarah I got Facebook in third grade. –Kiyo My mom forced me to get a Facebook account because she wanted the family to always be together. –Brendon How do teens use Instagram and Snapchat? Which platform do teens prefer? [6:20] I use Snapchat more. It's hard to draw a comparison between Instagram and SnapChat. For me Instagram is a way to connect with people not necessarily for like my own purpose but to help me get somewhere. I've had this goal since I was a little kid. Instagram gives me a way to talk to people who have achieved that same goal. Instagram is more of a tool to connect me with real people who have done what I want to do whereas Snapchat is a quick conversation with my friends. –Nate I see Instagram as your public profile whereas Snapchat is like the iMessage of social media apps. You can check in on people without talking to them directly. –Brendon Snapchat is more of a personal social media platform. Instagram is for things like live Instagram stories or videos and it's really cool to be able to jump in on that. You can join these live stories now and chat with whoever you want. –Megan I don't spend a lot of time on social media. I spend more time on Instagram but that's because I'm just DMing my friends. It's easier for us that way but I feel that Instagram is more permanent. –Sarah I use Instagram more than Snapchat. I use it to push me further for certain colleges. I want to get into business and I want to go into mechanical engineering. –Kiyo How much screen time is too much? [14:14] As kids, if parents tell us one thing we're going to do exactly the opposite. That's our immediate reaction to almost anything. In my experience, my parents are pretty lenient. They trust me. We have good trust in our relationship. What I've noticed is from kids whose parents are constantly telling them “Hey get off your phone.” “Hey get off your phone or I'm gonna take your phone before you go to bed.” Those kids are on their phone the most because when they are given the opportunity to be on their phone they are like “Alright, I have to savor all of this time. I have to cram it all in.” That's not healthy. I feel more and more we need to remember that the more you say not to be on your phone the more kids are gonna want to be on their phones. This is another thing. Parents, you guys are examples. A lot of times we see parents revert to being on their phones constantly and it's really shaking for us to see them constantly checking their phones in social anxiety evoking situations. For instance I see parents just sitting, waiting in line and they immediately go on their phone to look like they're doing something because everyone else is. I see parents do that a lot. Then they turn around and tell their kids “Hey stop being on your phone. Stop doing this.” It sends the wrong message. I feel a lot of parents don't understand that. It's something important to remember. –Megan I feel like parents should try to limit screen time in the hopes of preventing their children from getting addicted. I'm not saying that all children will get addicted because there are kids who can use their phone without feeling it's necessary all the time. Some kids don't have that self control. If your child doesn't have a lot of self-control you should monitor the amount of time that they're on their phone. If your child has exhibited self-control and seems like they've got a pretty good handle on the situation you can monitor them less. You should still be aware of how much time they spend but you don't need to be breathing over their shoulder. –Sarah It starts with the relationship between the parent and the child. If you're not trusting your child and you've seen that they are trustworthy, they don't make good use of their time then the phone isn't the starter. –Brendon What ideas do you have about self-control? [18:58] One family friend’s daughter was getting addicted to her phone. My mom and I suggested for her to go to her daughter and say, “Alright, hey this is the deal. I think that you're on your phone way too much. First I'm going to let you solve the problem. You figure out how much time you should be on it. You figure out what you're going to do to combat it. Then come to me and tell me how you're gonna deal with it.” Practice that for two or three weeks and then see the results. See what happens. If you're giving your kid trust, they will trust you. –Megan Next Steps for Podcast Listeners: Join Parent University to get videos to watch with your kids so they can better understand WHY they need to be smart online. Please share this episode with a friend and subscribe so we can help more parents. Thanks for all your support. Read more here: https://smartsocial.com/blog/ Join our next webinar to learn the 30 worst apps your students should never use: https://smartsocial.com/#webinars Join Parent University to get videos to watch with your kids so they can better understand WHY they need to be smart online. 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Oh. Okay, okay. What's happening? I need this tripod back. Oh my God, you will not even believe what I'm doing to my Chanel handbag down there on this rock. I just, I cannot see. Do you think I need my sunglasses, or do you think the sun is going to play nicely with me? Okay, hey peoples of the internet. I have the things to tell you. Hello Shannon, what's happening? Okay. I'm going to jump off the rock ... face down. Okay, please work internet. I want to share this over to my page. Do you back yourself fully in your business? What about the rest of your life? That is our topic. I've got some ass kickery for you. I'm gonna jump down. Okay, I'm coming back. I've gotta climb up, oh my God. Okay, I can't get up. All right, I had to go the lazy way around. Okay, the internet keeps fucking up. Okay, Joseph, I noticed that every time you come on my live steams, you say your name. Hello, hello, Joseph, I can see your name though, from your profile. I'm gonna give you guys an ass whooping, is that all right? I'm just trying to figure out, should I switch to my phone data? Why are you putting your phone number in dude? What's happening? Did I ask for dates on the internet or he's telling something? I'm looking rocky. That's cause I'm rocky as fuck. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I've decided to back myself in my love life. How do you feel about that people? I'm gonna kick my own ass about that. I did just kick my ass. I was just on the phone with a private client just now doing a VIP session. Things got a little bit heated. I'm wearing your favourite leggings. Wait until you see my leggings that have "Grateful as Fuck," written on my ass. Actually, I think it just says, "Gratitude," or it says "Grateful," I don't know. I don't look at my own ass often enough. Brandon Marshall is bringing it like a soul brother. Thank you. Thank you for backing me there. Okay, I thought I was gonna get in trouble. Someone stopped. All right, what about ... Do you know what's hilarious you guys? When I jump into the search bar on my Facebook on my laptop, and I'm searching for my own page so that I can then share the live stream. The thing that's hilarious is that I can then see the search history, and the search history of my personal Facebook is stuff that my team have searched when logged into my profile, as well as obviously stuff that I've searched. I swear to God, sometimes the cat ninjas are using my profile to Facebook stalk, and fan girl stalk people that they're interested in or something, so that it doesn't come up on their profile, or something like that. Because I'm like, what is up with this search history? What do you guys think you're doing? What's happening? All right, why is this live stream not coming up so that I can share it? I'm not gonna sell a couch, but I'll sell you this delightful rock that you can come and sit on with me. It's beautiful. What do you want me to give you? Can you stop with the frick ... What are you guys doing? Yeah, I should use Live Leap. I'm so lazy at remembering to use things. Okay. Here's the deal, right? This is gonna get preachy. I'm just gonna warn you. I'm gonna remind you in case you didn't remember, in case you've forgotten. Do not fucking forget. Can someone share this to daily ass kick? 'Cause my sharing thing is not working. Do not forget ... Oh, don't even worry about it. I'll share it later. Do not forget that there's a one day event happening with me in New York on Tuesday, if you wanna come spend the day with me on New York on Tuesday. One day, VIP, intimate event, and then one day even with me at Soul Shift and Money Making in San Diego the next Tuesday, which is April third. So, if you wanna come along to either of those, or you'd like to know more, there's a couple of places left in both of them. Message me on my personal page is best, and I'll get you those details. I wish I had my sunglasses, but right now the bottom of this tripod, because the rock down there is on an angle, so I've elevated the back two legs of the tripod by chucking my Chanel handbag down there on the rock and sticking the back two legs of the tripod into the bag, and my sunglasses are in the bag. So, it presents somewhat of a dilemma. But we'll figure it out. So, I'm on the phone just now, with my client, and essentially we were talking about the fact that she's always trusted in herself and that's how she's got results in her life in different areas, but that when it comes to business and getting the results that she wants in her business, and this was our first one on one call, right? She's doing a VIP one on one trial session with me, that she's noticing this feeling of basically well should I? Should I go and follow along with what such and such people are teaching or saying that I should do, whoever such and such people happen to be. The people who are commonly or uncommonly known as the gods of the internet, self appointed. Now, obviously we can all self appoint ourselves as anything, but ... This tripod is self appointing itself as a little bit of a biotch. I'm worried it's gonna fall over and then I'll have to quickly jump off the rock and grab it. Okay, it's under control. All right. So, you know, we've all done this. Give me a love hot shower if you've done this, or if you ... Hopefully I'm not gonna fall off the edge of this rock. I'm sitting with one ass cheek off the edge of it. I don't know why I do the things I do. I just like to live on the edge, literally, on the edge of this rock. There's an ass cheek hanging off. Oh. It's gonna be fine. Okay. Give me a love hot shower if you do this. You're already giving the love hot showers and I didn't even ask the question. You guys are on the ball. You're level as fuck. You're playing tight. It's very stypical of our community, and if you don't know the new words of the community then figure it out. We do this where we question ourselves, right? And we start to wonder, are you doing this in your business? You start to wonder, maybe I should do it the way that these internet marketing people say to do it. Maybe I should do like the 26 fricking copy written emails, or whatever it is, right? And you wonder if you should follow these different systems or strategies to build a funnel, or to build recurring income, or build any fucking thing, I suppose. Or in general, you just start to wonder whether you should do it like how other people are doing it. But then at the same time, and there's nothing wrong with learning from other people, by the by. Obviously. But then at the same time, there's a part of you, it's a big fucking part I think, which is just oo, this is gross, right? Like, it feels disgusting. Give me love hot shower if you relate to that, and I swear to God, this sun is just like, I'm gonna get you bitch. I'm right in your eyes, and I'm not backing down. I've just had a fantastic idea. I could turn around the other way. That would make actually a hell of a lot more sense because I'm literally sitting here like a squinty eyed squirrel. All right. I'm gonna, oh fuck. I'm gonna sit on this rock down here. Okay, oh my God. Now I can see nothing. Do you know one time I helped my ex husband launch a programme online called Rock Hard Results? It was a great programme name. Now I can see nothing. So, it's actually even worse now. We're figuring it out. It's a team effort. I'm totally in the dark now though, so I don't think that's better. Okay. See, here I can see but here ... Okay. Don't revolve around the sun. Let the sun revolve around me. I like it. Okay. Here's the rule. I'm gonna try and cut to the chase. I have a habit of rambling on. I don't know if you've noticed. The rule is, if your soul is staying disgusting, like if something inside of you is just like this is oo, right? E-U, like ugh. This is gross and it feels gross inside my body, and it feels scaly on my skin to be taking action like this, or to imagine that I should do so, then if you feel that, then that's how it is. That's the rule, okay? This current situation makes no sense at all. I'm gripping the tripod between my feet in order for it to not fall over. So, this is requiring massive inner strength of abductors, which is my inner thighs. I already have inner thighs like that woman on James Bond that kills a man with her thighs. My inner thighs are extremely toned and tight and strong. And they're now getting stronger by the moment. I hope you guys appreciate the effort because I did already work out today. I don't know why I can't just let it be easy. I just like, my room is like right there. I could be sitting in my room live streaming, but it's very dark. And it's not as fun as being on a rock gripping a tripod between your legs. So, anyway. I'm getting there, right? I'm getting to the point. I think I said what I needed to say already. The point is back yourself. When are you gonna finally back yourself, okay? So, I was using an example with my client. I was like, listen to me. You already know ... This is what I wanna say to you now. You already know that everything you feel inside of you is real. You already know that the way that you're being directed to do it through your soul is the way that it's gonna work. You already know that if you were to go against your own soul, and your own nature, and you were to essentially go and try and do ... In a way that ... Okay, I think it just kept freezing. In a way that feels kind of icky to you, or it's just boring, it's not interesting, it's not expansive, it feels really, do I really have to do that? Oh, okay, I guess I better. That's what's gonna get me a result. Okay. And it's kind of like this head hanging type of feeling, right? If you were to do it in that way, you know that it's not only not gonna work, you know this at your core, right? You might be buying into a story, you might be telling yourself all manner of things that are definitely not true. You might be trying to justify and convince, you might be like, "Well, that person knows better than me", or, "They're further along than me and maybe I don't really know because I haven't achieved that goal yet", whatever your goal is, right? In your business. And so, "They probably do know better, and I probably should do it this way", and you're going down this pathway of essentially trying to convince yourself to not back yourself, which when you put it that way, sounds really kind a crazy, and not good crazy. And it sound sad I think, as well, right? And then the other side of the coin, the flip side of that is you 100% know, give me a love hot shower, give me a love shower about this, you 100% know, if you agree with me give me a love hot shower. You 100% know that what's inside of you is real. You know that the things you feel inside of you about where your success is gonna come from is correct. And one thing that I love to journal on again, and again, and you might like to save this as an idea for later, and write it down as a journaling prompt, or somebody can put it in the comments if you want because I'm having a hard time getting my laptop to work here. I like to journal often on where do I ... A question I've asked myself many times over the years, where do I really believe, for example, my hundred million dollar empire is gonna come from, or before I was already making multi millions a year, then I would journal on where do I really believe my multi million dollar business is gonna come from, or where do I really believe my fame or my impact, or whatever it is, is gonna come from. So, the thing that's a big thing for me at the moment is soul mate love. Being in a soul mate relationship, right? That is kind of the biggest focal area for me, or the thing that I've not achieved yet. And I now and trust that I will. So, if I would tune in and journal on where do I really believe that that level of love and romance is gonna come from, and being in a relationship with my soul mate, and then I would look at some of the crazy ass shit that I've done over the past 18 months, since I became single, since I left my marriage, I went through this period, I went through initial period of what did the fuck, where the fuck do I even start? I don't even know what dating means, I don't even know how to do that. I've been in long term relationships for 15 years at the time. I'd literally been in long term relationships since my first ever boyfriend. So, it's like I don't even know what I the means to date, right? So, that was ... Being a brand new entrepreneur on the internet, like what's a lead page? I didn't even know. I'm like, "What do you do and a date? I don't even know." I don't know, somebody tell me. I don't think I ever even went on a date with my first two husbands. I think we just somehow became in a relationship after meeting at the gym. I literally had no clue. And then, I went through the next phase, which I feel like is what all entrepreneurs who are driven, motivated, bad asses like we have here too. The next phase is, well you know what? I'm a high achiever, and I'm a good student of life, right? Okay, finally this is gonna let me share it, so let's share it. I'm a good student of life, and I like to do really well at stuff, and I'm committed, and I will get good results, and so I'm gonna go and learn how to do it properly. Who's done that as an entrepreneur? Right? You go along and you're like, give me an amen or a hell yes or something on the comments if you've done that as an entrepreneur. You go, "I wanna do this properly. So, I'm gonna go and learn from the best people about how to market, and how you build an audience online, and how you sell a programme, or how you make a programme in the first place", or whatever it might be. And so, you go along and learn, and because the vast majority of people out there are teaching some kind of non thinking system, like join these dots, do it this way, here's the right way, here's the wrong way, that's probably what you fall into, right? And there's only a very limited number of people out there who teach like I teach around business and entrepreneurialism, which is follow fucking flow and soul intuition, fuck everything else. There are no rules, there is no right or wrong. Let's tune in, let's get you connected to soul, let's get you back to what you've always known. Let's act from that place and then sure, if you wanna know a few little, if there's things you literally don't know, you never heard of what a lead page is and you wanna know, cool. We can learn that, but actually you don't even need that to be successful and to make money, right? So, for me, if we relate it back to the dating thing, I did that same thing. At first, I was like, "I don't even know what dating is. I literally have no clue what that means or how to do it." I've heard the word, and I am 38 years old so in theory I have some sort of concept around it, but I'm not sure. Somebody's gonna have to tell me. So, then I started hiring coaches. Now, fortunately I hired an amazing sex and love coach to start with who helped me connect with intuition and flow, which was my good friend Alexa Martinez, and cannot recommend her highly enough. She's actually doing a soulmate manifestation free challenge this week on her Facebook page, so worth checking out. And that was amazing, and that just taught me so much about, oh my God. I was like, "What? Oh my God. All these crazy things I've felt inside of me about what I really want from romance in a relationship, you're telling me that's okay? You're telling me I can even have that? You're telling me I've got permission to be me? What? You're telling me I should tell men how I feel?" I was like, mind is blown, right? So, same thing as well. I teach a lot of people around business, but then after that, I got kind of, I did that for a little bit, and then I just, I got pulled in, right? And we all do it. You get pulled in and distracted by, if you're on Facebook for example, you're gonna get pulled in and distracted by so many fricking people on the internet who are telling you the right way to make money, or to sell an online programme, or to do anything at all. And so, I got pulled in, and I jumped on a few different mailing lists for example, with people who would send out, "Here's 10 scripts to get him to respond in a text message." Stuff like that. Or here's how to say this, or here's what never to say to a man, or here's 10 reasons why he's lost interest in you. Stuff like that. And I was on these mailing lists, and I did some coaching with people who teach like this as well. I paid for some coaching with people who teach like this, because I was like that newbie entrepreneur, who's like, "But I don't know. And I don't know if I know what I know, and I haven't had success in this area yet. I've had two failed abusive marriages, and ..." Okay, stuff that was on me as well. Let's just be clear and on that, all right? I don't wanna be blaming and doing anything like that. But I've had two marriages that didn't work out, and clearly I have no fucking clue what I'm doing, and how do I know how to choose right? So, I should go and learn from an expert, right? And we all do that with business, or we've all done that. I did the same thing with business. I know so many entrepreneur who can relate to having done that in business, but yet I was getting this information and I was getting to taught these things and the whole way through, when I would be told, "Okay, say this in a text. Oh no, don't ... What? You were thinking of saying that to him? Don't say that. Never say that to a man. That's a terrible idea." And then, there would be this feeling inside of me like, oo, really? I did even send ... I think I did it like two or three times, where I used a little script from a text messaging thing. And I kind of thought it was funny, I was laughing at it, but I was also like, this is kind of gross, right? It feels icky. It feels like, yuck. And it's kinda like, really? And then, a few times where I didn't speak my truth in a romance situation because I was listening to the advice of coaches at the time who were like, "No, no. That's coming from a hurt place inside of you, or that's something you need to heal inside. Don't say that. And this is the right way to communicate with a man, and this is how to do it. And I was like, ugh. And something inside of me was shrinking, right? I was feeling contracted. I was feeling like maybe they're right? Because I don't know, and I'm not an expert, and I don't have results in those areas. So, maybe I should listen to them and I'm willing to try it, and I said that. And I spoke up. I was like, "I don't really feel ... But okay. I'm open to it." And they were like, "Yeah, well ..." They were basically like, without saying you're wrong and I'm right, that's basically what they were saying. They were like, "Well, this is how it works. I'm right, do it this way." I was like, "Okay." And then I just didn't follow through though. I didn't follow through. In the end, I sent the fucking letter that I wanted to send to a guy, even though everybody said don't send that letter, right? Or everybody who you asked, which is a very small group of people. But my coach, and one or two friends, and in the end I was like, "Fuck it. I've always spoken my truth in business, and I'm gonna speak my truth in this area as well." Because here's what I know for sure. Anything that's feeling contractive, anything that's feeling like it's actually making me feel sad to follow that method if I would follow the method of that particular person or coach, or whatever. Or the strategy that's being taught online around dating, it's making me feel sad and contracted, and icky all at the same time, anything you're feeling like that in business, or think that you should be doing but it makes you feel that way relevant to business, I'm gonna tell you flat out 100, 1000, one million percent, all the percents, gathered into a big percentage bucket, don't do that shit. It's not gonna work for you. And by the way, if you got some kind of supposed outcome from doing stuff that goes against your soul, do you think it's gonna make you feel happy and fulfilled? So, for me with the dating stuff, I just started to remind myself, and this is kind of what I was kicking my client's ass around just now on the phone, I just started to remind myself that all of my results in my entire life, back to when I was a child, and even in my business before I got results and how many results, I had to remind myself of thins and getting into believing in myself, and coming from faith, and coming from self belief before I had the results to back it. Every result has come from when I trusted in myself, and anytime that I achieved any sort of success, quote unquote success, by doing something that went against my soul and that didn't feel right, it made me feel icky or it made me feel contractive, or it made me feel sad, then that success meant nothing to me. I have made money in the past by doing stuff that wasn't my soul work. I've never done anything that's felt like immoral, or completely wrong or something, but I've done plenty of stuff to make money in business where it was like, "Oh, really? Yeah, okay. All right, I guess. Because I want the results and so I'll suck it up." And when I did make money doing things that way, it slipped through my fingers. I didn't even fucking care. It meant nothing. It was not fulfilling. So, I started to think about the dating, and I was like, "But if it's true. If it's true that if I would say it in this way and follow, and learn these scripts until they become automated inside of me so that I'm communicating properly, as how you're supposed to communicate to a man. If that's true, then how could I possibly end up in a fulfilled soul relationship for me?" Because it would have been based on me not being me. Every step along the way it would've been based on me going ... Me being me, and who I am in this moment in time, with all my faults, and all my uncertainties, and all my weaknesses, me being me is not enough to get that relationship. I would have to catch a man by saying things right. Hello, what kind of fucking relationship's that gonna be, right? Just like what kind of fucking business is that gonna be that's built on a foundation of not a beautiful rock like this? It's not built on a solid rock foundation. How cool is that? I'm sitting on a rock. I'm super excited. Look, here's the rest of the rock where I was sitting before. I was up there. Now I'm just on a lower bit, but there's all these little rocky foundations all the way around. I'm in Orlando. So, I just ... It was like a wake up call. It was like, hello. How do you wanna believe in yourself, right? Like, hello. Where do you ... What foundation do you want this relationship to come from? Hello, do you actually wanna choose to believe that if you speak your truth, and be you, that that's not enough? And I was like fuck that shit. I'm gonna start saying exactly what I want, I'm gonna chose to back myself, I'm gonna chose to trust myself. And like the particular situation with a particular guy where everything that I wanted to say to him was breaking all the rules, like don't say that. I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna fricking say it, and then some." And the stuff I said was like, stuff you definitely aren't supposed to say to a guy. And my choice was that if I would be myself fully, and it didn't work, then that's exactly perfect and what was meant to be. And my choice was also that actually it's impossible to screw up being me, because when I be me and back myself and trust in myself, only good and positive outcomes can come from that. And so now, I feel 100%, I'm fricking so in trust and in certainty around where I'm going in the relationship area of my life, and I know that I'm getting the results that I desire. Awesome Nicole, thank you for jumping on first. All right. Janice says, "I feel this icky energy nine hours a day." Soulmate relationship and not backing myself in business, [Keja 00:22:05]. That's exactly the same situation that was happening with the client that I was just on the phone to, right? We were talking about a similar conversation to this, but obviously personal to her, and it was exactly the same. She's got the results in her health and fitness, and in her relationship, and then we're talking about the fact that you know, and this is why I was using the relationship example to her. I was saying to her, I know that me being in a relationship with my soulmate, it's gonna come from me being fully me, and I know that it's about me speaking my truth, trusting my own inner guidance, and anybody who's basically trying to direct me or tell me what to do, whether it's somebody random on the internet, or someone who I'm personally speaking to, if it goes against what feels right inside of me, then I know that it's not right for me, and I know that that's not how I'm gonna get the results that I want in my life, and I know that I just don't have it within me to do stuff that doesn't align for me on a soul level. I know that in business, to get to where my business makes millions of dollars a year, and I have only 100% soul mate clients who are so fricking cool and badass and do the work, for that to happen, I had to fully back myself. I didn't have money. I was over $100 000 in debt. I was gonna go bankrupt, I couldn't even buy coffee, and I realised I was one foot in and one foot out. I knew inside of me, I just knew that I was born for more. I knew I'm gonna get those results. I had the faith inside of me, and I believed that I could make money doing what I love, and doing this and speaking my truth every day, and just hanging out and being fully me, and not being worried about if I'm professional and whatever else, but I wasn't backing myself. I was one foot over there, and one foot, "Oh, maybe I should do it your way? Maybe, okay. It doesn't feel good, but okay. You have more results than me so I probably should do that." And then eventually I was like fuck this shit. I'm gonna fully back myself, and if I have to do that every single day for the rest of my life, and never make money, then that's gonna be fulfilling to me rather than living a life of if I follow your rules and do it this way, maybe then I'll get a result that I won't even fucking care about because it didn't come from flow. So, that's what I apply over now to the relationship area. I'm like, this is like a done deal. 100% the results that I desire are gonna come from me backing myself and trusting in myself. Somebody said, "What about if you being yourself will cause others to shun you?" Which is a great question. Well, they will. They will. They will. I'm gonna tell you a great answer about that. First I'm gonna open my laptop, because I just saw that my brother WhatsApp'd me. It came up at the top of my phone. He doesn't know I'm sitting here waiting for him live streaming. He's asked me what time we should leave for dinner. So, I don't know. How long's it take to get from fricking, a Disneyland resort to downtown Orlando? Let me just message him back. Don't know. Can you check? Downtown Orlando. Am on a live stream. All right, cool. Did that work? I don't know. We'll see. Okay, so here's my answer. How are you gonna feel about whether people shun you. The reason I'm at a Disneyland resort, I'm so not a Disneyland person. I actually really don't like Disneyland. I don't like a lot of people around me, and I just don't like Disneyland. I don't like rides. Sorry all the people who love Disneyland. You can hate on me for it if you want, because we're at a conference here, and I'm like playing hooky on the conference because I'm not really a conference person either. So, that's why I'm sitting on a rock on a live stream, instead of being in a conference. So, he's in the conference room and he's just messaged me about dinner. All right. So, yesterday I found out that in certain groups on the internet, of Facebook groups, that people talk all the time about what a bitch I am, right? And how they can't handle my life streams. And I'm just like, okay. I'm just gonna say something directly to those people right now. Just so you know, if you say that you can't even, even, with me, and you can't handle my live streams, and did you see what she did on her latest live stream, I'm just gonna point out the obvious, which is that the only way you know that is because you're watching the fucking live steam. So, technically that makes you a magnetises fuck fan. Who's triggered as fuck, by the way. And if you are triggered and emotionally charged by me, that's because I'm being a mirror, and because I'm confronting in you something that you know you get to address inside of you, and basically probably you're gonna become a client in about a year, and then you're gonna tell me that you used to hate me and bitch about me behind the scenes but I already knew because other people told me. If you didn't actually care, if you weren't connected to me on a soul level in some sort of way, then you wouldn't watch the live streams, and you wouldn't bitch about me behind the scenes, and you wouldn't care. You'd be like, "I'm not interested. I'm not attracted to her. I'm not magnetised to her", and you would just not even observe. You literally wouldn't care, right? It happens all the time, Melissa. I actually was a little shocked because I'm so in a love bubble of my own cult and my own world that I've created that I haven't heard it for a while, but I used to be much more conscious of it, and to answer the person's question who asked about this, I knew about it more and I was conscious of it because I was concerned about it, and because it would cause me to shrink and be worried, and not speak my truth. And then I just gradually over time let go of that, because I still care. Yesterday I was like, I was triggered and I was a little hurt. I was like, "Oh." I was actually like, "Oh, I thought everybody loved me now." I really did. I was like, "Oh. Well, okay." And then I was like, "Oh, well technically I suppose I could ..." I do actually know that people don't like me but I kind of forgot because I'm only surrounded by love, so I was a little triggered, and I was kinda like, "I think I wanna go around to their houses and cook them dinner, and just sit them down and just explain to them, just so you understand, I'm a nice person." And I'm actually like really nice, and I'm really introverted and quiet in real life, and everything as well. I think you would like me, right? Like, really, I'm an actual ... I'll buy you a present. I'll bring you chocolates. I'll do that. I do that all the time anyway. So, I kinda felt like I need to deal with this situation so that people understand how awesome I actually am. But then the other part of me was like, not fuck them. I got into curiosity, and I think it's funny because the reason I said, I'm like, "Well, if you're watching my life streams, then it means you're a fan." Just technically. Just saying. So, I think it's funny. But also, even if I feel hurt, or even if I've lost people along the way, and I've lost friends, and I've lost some clients along the way who I got too much for them, I got too intense for them, and some of them came back and then they're like, "You've got too much for me. You got too intense for me. I couldn't handle it. It was like a trigger for me." One of my newest clients who joined my inner circle, first thing he did introducing himself is, "Oh, I'm probably like a lot of people here when I first came across Katrina Ruth, I wanted to punch her through the computer screen." I was like, "Aww. People say the sweetest things about me." And for real though, my clients say that all the time, right? So, it's really, really common and normal, oh, thank you. Thank you for the present in advance. So, anyway. My point is, I got to a point of understanding that my message and my art, and speaking my truth is more important and bigger than what people wanna say about me, right? And that I have to put that first. So, don't assume that somebody like me just doesn't care, or is so confident, because it's not that. I'm still hurt at the idea, and I don't like the idea, and quite honestly, even at a big conference like this, there's three and a half thousand people here, I'm conscious that there's people in this room, and some of them I know who they are, who really fucking don't like me and think I'm a bad person, or I'm too aggressive, or I'm unprofessional online, and that fricking annoys me, right? And I let it go, because in the end I have to be me, and I have to speak my truth, and even the real life friends how I've lost along the way, I've just been like okay, there's some sadness there, or sometimes there's a grieving process to go through depending upon who the person is in your life, and technically not just as friends, but really even my marriage was a fallout of me being fully me, right? There's many reasons that went into that, but it was. I'm so fully me that you can't have me in your life if you don't ... For somebody who's not fully being them in their life, and not fully pressing play, or they just, they disagree with my values or my beliefs, how can you keep me in your life, right? You can't. You're either gonna ... If I'm in your life, there's only two reasons for that. Either you really love me and you resonate so fucking fully with me, and we're basically come from the same glorious pot of souls, which is why when we hang out in real life we're gonna have the bestest time ever and I won't be hiding from you like I'm hiding from everyone else here. I know there'd be some cool people here, I just don't know where they are, right? For real though, whenever I meet any of my tribe or my clients, or people who follow me online and who are the same as me, when we meet in real life, we're instantly magnetically best friends because we're the same sort of person. Or there's the people who hate me. And if they actually say that they hate me, or they're like I can't stand her, or whatever, then actually it's because at their core, they're the same sort of person, and they're just not owning their truth. That's a reality, right? That's just how it is. Okay. What else? Where was I even up to? I am not who you think I am. I am ... You are who you think I am. Reflect your own truth. Thank you Ruby. You are also the most beautiful soul. Thank you for seeing that in me, and I reflect it back to you. I'm shooting it back to you like that super hero who shoots stuff out of there, like Spider Man who shoots his spiderweb out. I'm shooting back love and acknowledgement. All right, what else? So, anyway. I think one of the hardest things, in theory, it's a choice whether or not it's hard, is when you don't have the results yet. You don't have the money results, so you don't have whatever results you're having in your business. And you know, you know on a soul level what is right, and what is aligned, and how you're gonna get results, right? But you don't have the results. So, that voice comes up ... Maybe you have some other people who are lovely enough to tell you all the time that you're doing it wrong. Eliminate those people. I don't mean in a bad way. I just mean turn away from them energetically, or physically, or whatever else is required, right? Don't listen to them. Literally, la-la-la-la-la, can't hear you. Not listening. Choose to only listen to people that affirm what you already know inside of you, yeah? To me that seems obvious. But, mind you, I've definitely gone against that myself at some points in time. So, there's that. But then the other thing is it's not just the voices of other people, right? It's the voices, shit. It's the voices inside of your head. Those things are little bitches some of the time. And they come up every day and be like, "Really? Are you sure? Because that sounds kind of stupid to me. And besides which, how can you prove it? And I bet you're wrong. And I bet you're gonna screw everything up, and I bet probably if you do that, or say that, everybody's gonna tell everybody, and then the whole entire internet is gonna laugh at you because you're stupid." That's what the voices inside your head will say. Or it'll be like, "Who do you think you are to do that? Somebody else could do that, but clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. You don't have the results, you can't prove yourself, you don't speak properly, and your hair doesn't look good." And so, these are the normal every day thoughts that we all have. I have these voices inside of my head as well, and I know, I see them for what they are. I'm like, "Bitch please. I see what you're trying to do here, and I'm gonna let you know that I'm gonna be over here doing what I'm meant to do anyway." But sometimes they get to me. Sometimes they got to me with the dating stuff, right? And now I became stronger over time, because I just kind of thought back, and I thought back to my business stuff, and I'm like, "Hmm, well, took me like five fucking years, or however long, to really get this with my business, but then when I did, shit started working. When I fully backed myself. So, I think, thank you for coming along, and telling me all of your thoughts for today, and if you insist on carrying yourself around and following me everywhere, and talking shit, then I guess I can't stop you. I'm still gonna be over here pressing fucking play", and I'm gonna learn this lesson a lot faster, right? So, it's about realising that you can have these voices inside of your head, you can have the voice of doom and gloom, and self doubt, and whatever bullshit is going on or coming through you, or even coming at you from outside of you, all of that can be present and in attendance, and you can still do whatever you know what you're meant to do. And so, what that comes down to is you've gotta be bold enough, and trust enough to actually back it up and follow through though. It's not gonna be enough to feel and know inside of you what's true and what's gonna get you results. That is not gonna cut it. You're gonna have to back it with action, right? Which means, from my example, the dating example, it means that when I have an instinct or an impulse, or a soul nudge comes through me, like, "Hey, say that to this guy. Speak your truth. Say this", and my voice inside my head's gonna be like, "Oh my God, are you crazy? Don't say that. Really? You already said such and such thing. Like, really? You're gonna morally now? You're gonna say that?" And, "Oh, maybe I shouldn't, and maybe this, and then let's go check what he's posted on Facebook today because maybe that's gonna put me off because you don't know ..." Like, what? What if I just always followed my soul nudges? Because I can tell you something for sure, in my business now, and it took me however long it took me to get this, I always follow my soul nudges. That doesn't mean only when it feels exciting or inspiring. That means especially when it feels terrifying, when it feels reckless, it feels crazy, it goes against what everybody's saying, and I built a multi million dollar per year online empire where I get to do only what I fucking want everyday, and I have a 100% soul mate client base. My clients are now becoming millionaires and multi millionaires in the last year as well. Multiple clients who've gone from where they were making 8 to 10K a month at the start of last year to where they're now making 50, 60 and over 100K per month in numerous cases, over 200K per month consistently in multiple places as well, and all of these women and a few men who work with me, are doing what I'm talking about here, following soul nudges. And not only attracting such badass from only following soul desires, requirements, and flow. It's not just when it feels easy or comfortable or fun or exciting. It's when it feels terrifying. It's when it's scary. It's when it feels reckless. It's when it feels ridiculous, right? And here's something else. Let me just check in in what my brother's saying. He's just messaging me more. 36 minutes. Am on my way back. Okay. We can go for like 5 or 10 minutes more. Okay. Am on a rock. I'm telling him. Don't forget, if you jumped on late and you didn't hear me, I'm doing a one day VIP very intimate event this Tuesday in New York, and I'm repeating the same event the Tuesday after, April 3, in San Diego. These are soul shifting deep dive days to get clear on exactly who you are as an entrepreneur, who you wanna be as an entrepreneur, creator and leader, and the best fucking way for you to make fuckload of money and a fuckload of impact doing that. That was too many fucks. Maybe. Not maybe. Whatever it was. It's something like that. I can send you the whole written overview, so message me over on my Katrina Ruth personal page if you wanna know more about that. Okay, so then coming back to this. Here's how I actually got into this business, because as I've been sharing, I don't have the results yet, I'm like working towards these results in my romance side of my life, and I know that it will come from backing myself, but I also know that that means I can't just sit around being like, "Yeah, I believe that I'm gonna have a soulmate relationship, and I believe that it's gonna work out for me and I have faith." It means that I've also gotta follow all actions that my soul tells me to take, even though I feel like a fricking crazy person half of the time, okay? And the reason that I knew that first for business though, and where I can now apply it from business over to love, I knew it for business because when I was broke in my business, and when I was over $100 000 in debt, and I thought I was gonna go bankrupt, I sat down one day, and it's funny because I'm kind of at a theme park now. I'm at the resort anyway. And I was at a theme park. I was at a Wet and Wild theme park, like a water one. And I went and sat down for coffee, and I made this list and it was based on the fact that I'd been a personal trainer for 13 years before I built my own online business, and so I've now been actively involved in the fitness industry for 21 years, since I was 17 years old. And so, at the time, it was maybe like six years ago or something, so I would've been involved in the fitness industry at the time for like 15 years, and I had complete faith and certainty around my ability to always be in great shape. Now, it didn't mean that I always was in my ideal shape, because sometimes I would slip a little bit out or whatever, but it never was a problem. I was like, "I know how to be in fantastic fucking shape. It's very simple and straight forward, and easy, and it's just automatic that of course I get to have that." I have zero doubt, and also that it comes from me following what I believe is true and real for me inside me. Never once have I followed a diet plan. I've tried to do it a few times in years gone by, and I always was like cheating all the way through on those diets. And I don't follow structured training. All my training and my eating is intuitive. I even wrote a book about five or six years ago called Think Thin, The Intuitive Diet for Women. You can get it on Amazon if you go to books for kick ass women dot com, you're gonna see over 60 books on Amazon that I've self published, and Think Thin is one of them, right? So, that's my way of eating and staying in shape. So, I sat down and I thought about what if I had the same beliefs for business and for money that I have for fitness? What if I just always knew that I know what's right for me? What if I fully trusted in myself, what if I fully backed myself, what if I went from soul flow and intuition, and I basically sat there and I wrote a big list of what are all my beliefs to do with fitness and my body, and being in great shape? And they're all really powerful positive beliefs that would serve a lot of people well, as I'm sure you can imagine, right? And then I looked at what my money beliefs were at the time, and I had so many money and business beliefs around not trusting myself, or there's gotta be a wrong way, or something like a right way or a wrong way, or I've gotta get it right, or something along those lines, right? And other people maybe know more than me, and I've gotta do stuff that doesn't feel good, and just all these beliefs, and I literally sat there and I took all of my positive and powerful fitness beliefs and and I rewrote them into powerful positive beliefs for my business, and for money, and I just made a decision. I was like, that's how I'm gonna choose to think. I'm gonna choose to back myself, I'm gonna choose to trust myself, I'm gonna choose to basically operate from inside of me. And even last week I had another breakthrough around this, because I noticed that in my business there's still a couple of areas where I feel like I'm not fully showing up, right? Where I feel, you know that sense of disease, or feeling uneasy, or restless, or unsettled, because you feel like ... I had a general feeling that there's some discontent present in my business. And a general feeling of feeling like I notice that pretty much every day I feel slightly restless, like slightly, just like what am I missing? That was it. I journaled on why do I feel like there's always something missing in my business? I just have this niggle all the time, and I thought ... I said to myself, this was like the other day in Santa Monica, sitting in the tea and coffee bin. And I thought, "Well, I don't feel that way in fitness. I have like zero restlessness or niggles in fitness." Even if I go into [inaudible 00:40:58] and I'm in my little shorts and my sports bra, and I see that I got a bit puffy around the waste or something, it does not remotely bother me. I'm like, "That's fine. I know exactly how to fix it." Right? And I have only self love, right? Like I actually really, it took me several decades, but I really love and accept myself regardless of what my body's doing, and I have full trust, right? And I thought, "Why do I have such contentedness in fitness, but in business I still feel a little uneasy?" And I was like, "Oh my God." And I realised it's because with fitness and nutrition, I 100% follow every single soul command and desire and requirement. So, what that means is, like this morning, I was like, "I gotta go to Bikram Yoga this morning." Hot yoga. That's how I felt. That's what my body wants. Well, I had a schedule of going to a conference today. I'm like, "Too bad. I'm going to Bikram Yoga because that's what I feel I need." The zero of the time will I not follow soul urges in that situation, right? 100% of the time with fitness and my body, I do what I'm told to do from within ... Not by other people. Zero percent of the time I do what I'm told to do by other people, and 100% of the time I do it even if it comes at the cost of something else that I was supposed to be doing, but it's also on the times when I don't feel like doing something. Maybe I'm like ... Oh, the other day. I didn't feel like going to the gym. Too bad. I go to the gym if I know that it's what my soul's telling me to do. But by the same token, if I go to dinner, and there's like an amazing dessert and I wanna eat it, I'm gonna fricking eat it, right? If that's what feels good for me. So, then with business and money, I noticed that there was still times, or there's still times where I'm not doing what my soul tells me to do. You know, I like to rebel even if it's against my own self, from time to time. Just to kind of prove a point, that I can do what I want, I think. But I had to kind of acknowledge this. I'm like, "Oh, I have a feeling of discontent, or dis ease sometimes in my business because there's certain things that I know I actually should, quote unquote, should be doing from a soul point of view, like my soul's directing me to do it. Could be like whatever little task, or getting back to somebody on my team, or finalising an idea, or what it is, and it's that kind of little girl inside of me that's still like if your Mom tells you to clean your room, you're like, "Well, I was gonna clean my room, and now that you've told me to clean my room there's no fucking way I will clean my room." It's exactly the same reason that I refuse to see the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies, because everybody was like, "You've gotta see them. They're really good." I was like, "Bitch, please." If everybody's seeing them, there's no way I'm gonna see them because clearly I'm better than that. And then eventually I saw them and I was like, "I guess they were okay." So, it's just that ... I recognise that part of myself, and so I kind of kicked my own ass around it. And so then with love, and relationship, and sex and that sort of thing, I was like ... Oh, shit. I was like, "Well, okay." I went through this phase last year after I left my marriage, which was the year before, and so last year my phase was like, trying to do the things that I thought that I should to do be successful at dating or whatever, or try and learn about it, and doing things ... But also, I was in this most ridiculous pattern, which was so stupid, I can't even believe that I did this, where if I would go on a date with a guy, and I wasn't attracted to him, like romantic, to where you're like, "Can we just have sex right now?" That I would still kind of convince myself and I would be like, "Oh, well maybe I am attracted and I just don't know it, because he's a really nice guy." And now I say it, and I'm like, "That's hilarious." How could that be a thing? You either are or you aren't, and you fucking know where you are because you're like, can we just seriously, can I just crawl into your skin immediately? In a non weird way. And so, it was kind of this phase of trying to make it work, right? And now I'm like, "Okay, it's either I'm fucking feeling it, which is relatively rare, but that's the whole point, or it's nothing", right? And either way is totally fine, but I'm not gonna keep on meeting up with somebody just in case I somehow at some point magically wake up one day and in massive lust and attraction, or whatever, right? But by the same token, it also means ... That's fun. But by the same token it also means that if I'm feeling like, "Okay, I should say this to this guy", or message this or whatever ... I do this where, it even happened last week I think it was, last weekend, where I'm like, "Oh, don't message that." I met a guy, and I'm like, "Don't message that. That's a bad idea." And then I felt like messaging it. I'm like, "My soul is telling me to message that, so I'm gonna message it." And either outcome is fine, right? And it's just that continual process of I'm gonna continually back myself, I'm gonna continue to follow what I'm directed to do inside. Whatever the outcome is actually doesn't matter because the point is that I'm proving I fricking believe in myself, right? And I'm proving I'm gonna back myself, and I'm proving that I fucking mean what I say when it comes through me from the inside. So, I'm building inner strength, I'm building self belief, I'm building resilience, I'm building tenacity, and all these areas can just be related to each other, whether it's fitness stuff, business stuff, love and romance and sex stuff, all of them just connect into each other, and I have to fricking go. I could live stream all night, but I'm gonna go and have dinner with several badass people. So, I'm sure I'll have many more things to share with you tomorrow. I would really encourage you to watch the replay of this live stream. I feel like I brought the message and the preaching tonight, this afternoon, whatever it is. So, go watch the replay, leave me a comment, send me a message, let me know what you thought, and seriously, what if you just fully decided to back yourself? I've built a multi million dollar per year business where every day I just wake up, and sit around and talk to cool people on the internet like I'm doing now. I only do what I want, I have the best time ever. I travel the world continually. You guys see this, and I just want you to really know that's available for you. I didn't have all that. I built it up, and I built it from backing myself, right? And I literally used to write in my journal, all I really wanna do is inspire, educate and motivate people, and talk to cool badass people on the internet, and now here we are. So, I know that this is available for all of us in all areas. Don't forget that if you wanna spend a day with me in person in a VIP private event, on Tuesday in New York, that that's happening. There's several places left, I think three maybe for New York. Send me a message on my personal page, and then there's a couple of places left for San Diego the week after as well. So, it's gonna be April, sorry. March 27 in New York City, and April 3 over in San Diego. Message me on my Katrina Ruth personal page, or you can message on this profile if you're confused about how to find it, but maybe someone can tag in my personal page right now, or I'll do it in a moment when I jump off, and send me a message there because it's just easier for me to PM over on my personal one. I prefer it. And I'll get you all the details of exactly what we're covering, and the cost, and all that good stuff. Have an amazing day. Go take massive action, from your soul. And do not forget, life is now. Press fucking play.

Had a message today to get out and it turned into that and more when I went out to get my haircut today. Pulling into the parking lot - "Who Are You" by The Who came on. So, I recorded a few seconds of it... because it struck me, who am I? All these different hats that I wear - husband, father, son, brother, uncle, teacher, basketball coach, entrepreneur, success coach, Christian, neighbor, friend, and the list goes on and on. No matter what hat I wear, no matter what hat you wear - two things were on my mind about this. First - I'm trying to get better at all of those... I'm looking to improve - do more & get better has been a rallying cry for me for a long time. Second... all of us have challenges and difficulties in our lives - no matter what hat we have on. Sam Crowley's recent Sunday Spiritual Podcast - "Endure Hardship As Discipline" - what a great podcast first of all since he mentions that in all the difficulties that we go through valuable lessons in those hardships. There are lessons to be learned and things that can help us get better. My buddy Jeff Lip and I had a great conversation today about that very subject. I stopped into school after having breakfast with another friend and co-worker Rich Popp - such motivational and uplifting conversations that really got me thinking about today's topic. Hope you find a little something there today that will help you - as always - keep in touch. Find me on my FB page at Coach To Expect Success - Always interested to converse and see how we can help each other with things we got going on in our lives!

This weeks episode is part two of our view at the wider data availability market as I'm joined by three more guests from the recent VeeamON event to continue our discussion. This week we look at how our data availability strategy is not and can not just be a discussion for the technical department and must be elevated into our overall business strategy. We also look how technology trends are affecting our views of backup, recovery and availability. First I'm joined by Dave Stevens of Data Gravity as we chat about how backup data can be a source of valuable information, as well as a crucial part in helping us to be more secure, as well as compliant with ever more stringent data governance rules. Next I chat with Mike Beevor of HCI vendor Pivot3 about how simplifying our approach to system availability can be a huge benefit. Mike also makes a great point about how, although focussing on application and data availability is right, we must consider the impact on our wider infrastructure, because if we don't we run the risk of doing more "harm than good". Last but my no means least I speak with Senior Research Analyst at IDC, Andrew Smith, we chat about availability as part of the wider storage market and how over time, as vendors gain feature parity, their goal has to become to add additional value, particularly in areas such as security and analytics. It's another information packed show, I hope you enjoy it. For full show notes - http://wp.me/p4IvtA-18k

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Sharon Lynn Wyeth, created Neimology Science after 18 years of research, testing her theories and has supported thousands of people around the world in understanding themselves and others better.  Neimology® Science, the ability to interpret the letters in one’s name to see how a person behaves and thinks, along with other identifying characteristics. Each name carries with it a unique meaning that gives us insight into that individual. In this episode, Sharon will help you learn your gift behind your birth name, confirm your hunches about people, 10-minute hiring techniques for large companies and tips on how to look for the perfect relationship partner. Listen to the full show if you’d like to discover how to access others quickly and yourself better by understanding the gifts and challenges hidden within a name you’ll love.   Dr. Veronica Anderson's Links https://www.linkedin.com/in/drveronicaanderson/ https://www.facebook.com/drveronicaanderson/ https://twitter.com/DrVeronicaEyeMD?lang=en https://www.pinterest.com/drveronicaeyemd/?eq=dr.%20veronica&etslf=14837 https://www.instagram.com/drveronica/?hl=en Recommended Books http://amzn.to/2nUD2fb     Show Notes: 02:40 - Start knowing the person by knowing the name 05:20 - What your birth name and marriage name mean 09:25 - HR companies hiring employees based on their name 14:50 - Looking for the perfect relationship partner 21:00 - How to know your own name using vowels 28:30 - Knowing physical ailment with letter combination 30:40 - Private workshop training with Sharon 33:00 - What if your name is in a different language?   If you enjoyed this episode, do us a favor and share it! Also if you haven’t already, please take a minute to leave us a 5-star review on iTunes and claim your bonus here!   Want to regain your health? Go to http://drveronica.com/     Transcript   Female VO: Welcome to Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness, in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives. If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit drveronica.com for instant access. And here's your host, Dr. Veronica. Dr. Veronica: On another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. You're going to enjoy this like every other episode. You know I always bring you delightful guests because you have to figure out how to be well 360, mind, body, spirit. And one of those ways on figuring it out, we give you all the body stuff and everybody has their formula. We talk about gluten a lot and diets, and autoimmunity, and thyroid, and mediation, and this and that. But we're going to talk about something that you may have never ever heard of. If you have you're one of the few people we need to get this word out there that's why I'm having this lady on. Sharon Lynn Wyeth is a Neimologist. And we're saying, "Neimologist, what is that?" She's going to explain that to you and how she came up with it. Know your name about what you are meant to be, your life purpose, your spiritual purpose, your path. Have you ever wondered, "Am I on the master path? Am I on the student path? What am I actually here for?" Did you know that your name it's written right in your name?  Get out your pencil and paper, write down your name. As you hear some of these calls you want to write this down because if you're having in your life struggles, fear, anger, sadness, which is leading you to trigger physical health problems. You got to figure out how do I get rid of it. And part of figuring out to get rid of it is to know thyself. Let's start with your name. First I'm going to give you the website a lot because you want to go there, knowthename.com. Sharon Lynn Wyeth, welcome to Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Dr. Sharon: It's always nice to be here with you Veronica. Thank you for having me. Dr. Veronica: Let's get a little bit about your background. We're going to talk about names. You have an interesting name. It's spelled Sharon but it's pronounced Sharón. Tell us a bit about your name and how you ended up getting interested in studying names and actually came up with this system. Dr. Sharon: Okay. First of all on my name, it depends on what part of the world you're in how they pronounce the name Sharon. Sharon is a universal name. It's one of the handful of names that I don't care what country you go to they have that name and it's a common name for them. And in the Middle East Sharon is pronounced Sharón, and that's how I got my Sharón. I always jokingly say it's like, "My, my, my Sharonna" without the A, that good old song by The Knack.  How I started this was it was in my 7th year of my teaching and I was doing this seating chart at the beginning of the school year, and you randomly put down names because you don't know this student, saying you're just going to put him in some kind of a seating chart. When I was doing that my brain was saying, "Don't put Joshua next to Julie because together they're going to be clowns, and Derrick’s going to need extra help. Put them up close. And Stephanie's going to be stubborn. Put her over to the side so she'll never have to change her seat." As I was doing this class after class it didn't even dawn on me until I started my fourth class that I'm like, "Wait a minute, I don't know these kids. What am I doing?" And I was doing the same thing when I do [Unintelligible 00:03:48] because you want a good seating chart where everybody's comfortable and likes the people around them but they don't like them too much, because you want them to behave.  And so when I realized that I didn't know them yet I first felt really guilty because I thought, "Oh my gosh, what am I doing?" And then when I got over the guilt the curiosity came up and I said, "I'm going to write down what my impression is of every person just based on their name because that's all I've got. And I put it aside for 3 months until winter break, and when I looked at it I was really amazed at its accuracy.  So I my brain is thoroughly trained in patterns being a math major and having my masters and I thought my brain has picked up some kind of a pattern, and now how do I make it conscious. I started with big charts and I put across the top, there was plethora of... David's in my life at the time, and I put across the top all my David's, David [Unintelligible 00:04:40], David Zimmerman, David Landis, all my David’s. And then I said, "What have I observed about these David’s?" I took each person and I wrote down all the adverbs and adjectives I could use describing that person. And then I said, "What's in common all the way across?" And those had to come from the name David and what's not uncommon had come from the others. I was always making charts and listing comparisons, and putting down observations.  To make a long story short it took me 15 years to figure out all the nuances. And the first name is the essence of who you are. The middle name is where we go under stress. If we don't have a middle name then who you see is what you get no matter whether you're under stress or not. And your last name represents your environment. You have both nature and nurture all in your name. Dr. Veronica: Okay. For those of us, many of the people who are watching these type of podcasts are like me, women first of all. And a lot of us women change our name through our lifetime through marriage. How does it make a difference about that because we're just like saying I was born this name. For me my middle name I was given it but I don't use my middle name at all and hardly through life have used my middle name. Talk about these name changes, what we decide to use. I was married one time. Now I'm married to somebody else and I got a different name. I'm simple compared to a lot of people though. Dr. Sharon: Yes, you are. Dr. Veronica: What happens is the birth name is literally our contract for this lifetime and what we came to do, who we are, our strengths and our challenges, what we came to learn. That's our birth name. And our birth name doesn't change. Every other name that we use is kind of like a nickname. And that's saying how our personality is evolving and showing differently. If we agree to answer by somebody's nickname then we're only showing them that part of who we really are by calling them in that nickname. When you compare the birth name and the nickname you'll see what's being hidden, or what's not being shown, or what that person doesn't want to see those aspects of you, the end. Your last name represents your environment. If you're single, first of all you're growing up with your parent's last name and it lets you know what that environment was like when you're growing up. But now that you're getting married, so it lets you know what the marriage environment is like because the last name always lets you know about the environment. I help a lot of people change their names if they want to, and I always say give me 10 things that you want in other people in your environment, 10 qualities that you want. And then I'll come up with this long list of names that all have that 10 qualities. You wipe out all the ones you don't like the sound of and then I'll tell you what else is in that name besides the 10 qualities that you wanted. Because we want to attract certain people. Winston Churchill, he said, "I want to surround myself with people smarter than me."  Once I heard that I thought, "That makes sense." What do I want in my last name to balance? And just like I changed my last name eight and a half years ago now, and I made it up based on what I knew. And it changed my whole life came into more balance. You can make a big difference by just who you're attracting into your world, that's their last name. You go by a nickname and your first name, it says, "I'm going to show you these aspects of me and I'm going to hide or keep private the other ones. Or right now I'm focusing on these aspects of me and I'm not focusing on the other. In the meantime different people will call us different things that we respond to. And they're saying I only need to see this part of you, whatever is in that nickname that you're responding to, that they're calling you. That's the only part of you they want to see. They're not wanting to see all of you. And the middle name is where we go under stress so even if you don't use it it's still running. It's still there. And if you use it a lot like I do, and like a lot of people do, then it comes into play more often or it's easier to see when it comes into play. But it's still coming into play even if you're not using it because it's part of your birth name. Dr. Veronica: Interesting. Do titles at all play into it? It's just like somebody's title, maybe Mr., or Mrs., or Ms., or doctor? Or I have a friend who's Dom, or Sir, or Knight, do those titles play into this whole thing at all? Dr. Sharon: Only when they're used. If they're not used the answer is no. They're only important to the people that are using them when they're calling you. And then you shift to fit that title along with your name. Now you've got protocol or an image to also present besides who you really are. So it makes a difference on how you present the same qualities that you would normally present possibly a different way. Dr. Veronica: This all seems fascinating and fun but I know it makes a difference in people's lives and I know that you've done work with a lot of people and have helped lots and lots of people in ways that we couldn't imagine. Tell us a little bit about that just because people are saying this is just a little game. It's not just a little game. You've done some remarkable... Dr. Sharon: I'll start with businesses. HR companies, and I work with some very large companies and some very small companies. And when they get a lot of people applying for a job they'll literally say, "Here's the job description, here's the list of names, narrow it down for me who should I get." And when I was tested over a six month time period for this large company of 400 and something employees and they were constantly growing. He would literally send me the names in the job description.  At first he did it beforehand but he was working with me once a week. And then after about two months, 10 minutes after we'd started he'd say, "Here's my list." He wanted to make sure I wasn't going onto the web, or trying to look people up, or whatever. At four and a half months what I gave them as my number one and number two was the first time he gave me feedback. He said, "For four and half months my team has interviewed people. They've looked at all the resumes. They've called the references. They take a lot of time and a lot of money to narrow it down and then they recommend a number one and a number two to meet to hire. He said, "You consistently for four and a half months, in ten minutes or less has given me the exact same number one and number two. But this is the first time my one and two is your two and one. Why did you choose that?" I said, "Well, here was my distinguishing piece, what I was using to make that decision." His response was, "We wouldn't be able to see that. Nobody would give that to us in a reference. Nobody would let us know that. That wouldn't come up in an interview. We wouldn't know that until after we hired the person. And because of your accuracy we're going with you instead of my team." And so they hired the other one.  But that was literally two and a half years ago and I still work with them on people that they're managing. And I don't have to work with them quite as much simply because they're all learning the system. And the whole role is learn the system so you don't actually don't need me, so I can work myself out of a job, which is kind of scary in a way but really wonderful. Dr. Veronica: There's too many people in the world. You won't be worked out of a job. People who are hiring and there's a lot of us who were entrepreneurs and I'm thinking, "I'm hiring right now. Maybe I need to put some names in front of you tell me who I need." Dr. Sharon: Exactly. What is your job description? What do you need? Then the other thing is I'm working with a lot of lawyers on how to do they present a case for this person that they're representing and that judge. What do both of them need to hear? What words ping them? What words will move that judge to go in the favor of this client. What words will I need to say so the client knows I'm fighting on their behalf, so they can hear me. I work with a lot of lawyers. And then I work with a lot of individuals and a lot of family counseling or individual marriage counseling. There was this group in Hawaii, this one couple that came to me, they'd heard me at this talk and they said, "Do you have any appointments left?" I said, "One. If you can make it, great."  They came in and they handed me their names. I said, "Oh, you're here because there's a communication problem? And they just looked at me and nodded their heads." I said, "Okay. Normally I will go a little bit with the woman and a little bit with the man." But I looked at the man and I said, "You're here under duress. You don't really want to be here according to your name." He goes, "You're right. But she talked me into it." I said, "I'm going to do the whole process with her so you can see it all and feel safe and then I'll do it with you."  I asked him, "It looks to me like after two years your relationship's kind of going to the dump. Would you like to know why?" I had to ask him three times before he said yes, but he did say this is my fifth relationship that at the two year mark and here we're having problems. And I thought I'm not surprised. Do you want to know why? And it took him a while before he said yes. And finally when he did I said, "It's because you're so needing to be in charge and in control all the time that you would rather be right than have a relationship. And you don't know how to apologize when you're wrong." And I said it first. The woman says, "When he gets more comfortable that'll go away or that'll change. And at the two year mark they realize that's not going to go away and that's not going to change. And so then they say, "I don't want to live with somebody who can't apologize and always has to be right and the one in charge." And then they break up. And the coolest part about that one and why I remember them is because we had a lot of talking and they said often, "Oh my gosh, we're just talking about that." Because it all shows up in the name and you can get right to the bottom of it. There's no fooling around.  But that evening my host that had sponsored me over there took me to this wonderful event that had like a thousand people in the audience. And they found me, they came down at intermission, and they said they had done nothing but talk since they had the session. And most people now have new tools and they're going to improve their relationships. And this couple said, "We decided it was going to be way too much work for us to stay together. But the nicest part is we know why it doesn't work and neither one of us has resentment or hurt feelings. We can let this one go without saying I wish I coulda, shoulda, woulda, and second guessing. And we can go and still be friends." Dr. Veronica: Let's get deeper into that because a lot of people for all kinds of reasons you're happier, you're healthier when you're in a good relationship. But there are many people, both men and women, who feel like they have difficulty picking the right partner for them, or they're attracting the right partner. When you talk about the couple I'm thinking what was it about her name that made her choose that guy. What did you know about her, or what can we know about ourselves that we're making this choice.  "My name is Liz and this is why I'm choosing that." Dr. Sharon: In a private session all of that comes out. You're going to say who you're attracting, what you're looking for, what turns you on in essence, and what makes you excited about somebody else? It's kind of like that movie When Harry Met Sally. Before they ever met I could've told you they were both into books and reading extensively. They were both workaholics but they both couch potatoes. We could go through them and say what they had in common before they ever met. They were both very likeable, very charismatic people.  And so it shows up in your name what it is that are your strengths and what you're looking for in somebody else. And then when you have a session often people will say, "What do I want to look for?" And I'll start saying where the letters are. These are the letters you're looking for in these key positions because those are the ones that are going to carry the qualities that you're wanting. Dr. Veronica: Okay. You just led right into a good question. We've talked before and I've mentioned this but I thought it was interesting. My husband when I met him I always felt like when I looked at his name it was smiling at me. I looked at it. I still look at it now. It just seems like it's smiling at me. What is that all about? My husband is not born in this country so he doesn't have a name that's very common. It's a name pretty much I'd never heard before I met him, but it smiles at me. What do we see in something like that? Dr. Sharon: Okay. Just to clue your audience in, what's his name and how do you spell it? Dr. Veronica: His name is A-B-E-L D-E-D-E-G-B-E. Dr. Sharon: Okay. With all those E's to begin with, first of all in his name he had a lot of self-confidence. And you very much want somebody that has self-confidence because you don't want to mother them, you wanted an equal. Dr. Veronica: Oh gosh, that's so true. Dr. Sharon: That was very masculine so that you could be very feminine. And so he's got that in his name. You also, because you're naturally intuitive you wanted somebody else that could almost read your mind. That would know you so well that you wouldn't have to talk all the time. He would just know what you wanted. He could finish your sentences for you. He'll get the picture without you having to describe every corner, nick, and noony of the picture. And so he's able to do that and you found that very attractive. You also needed somebody who was driven, who wanted to accomplish, who wanted to be able to compete, who could stand up and hold their own. And you needed that and he's got that in his name. So that was very attractive. You wanted a very strong individual and yet one that didn't have to be in charge. They could share. Sometimes you're in charge, sometimes he's in charge. That he was masculine enough and knew himself well enough that he didn't have to always be the guy in the lead position. And he's got all of that in his name. So looking at your name and his name, that's what attracted you. Dr. Veronica: That's amazing. The audience has to know it's amazing that you've described us perfectly and how we interact perfectly. You guys might be saying, "You know her." No, we've only talked a few times on interviews. I met her at a conference one time and that's it. And I said, "That's fascinating. I got to interview you sometimes."  We met and I had one name. And then I chose to change my name. I was married before, and when I was married before for whatever reason I was never comfortable with his name. Now, with my current husband Abel I'm comfortable using his name. I like using his name. This is my second husband, but my first husband had a complicated name too. It was something nobody had ever heard of. Now I have a husband name nobody ever heard of it. In fact my husband's name they can tell the origin of the name because he comes from a place in West Africa. They can tell the language and what it means and all that other type of stuff. What happened with me where I never felt good with that name, whereas now I feel comfortable. Dr. Sharon: Without giving away the first husband's name and without knowing it, I'm going to say that there are certain letters that we all have in our names that are communication [Unintelligible 00:20:11] with somebody else’s name. Also there's certain letter combinations that each one of us has that we go ugh when we have that kind of person. If you're talking to anybody you will notice if you talk to them long enough that there's one name that they've met a lot of people with that have that same name and they don't like that name. They learned to have a prejudice against a particular name. That is because there are six different communication styles that show up names. And I put them on a wheel.  When you have the one that's directly opposite the other one, unless they know how to deal with that it's very uncomfortable. And those are the people that you feel don't get you. And so then you don't want to say their name or be around them so much. Because it's like you naturally know we're miscommunicating. I'm not understood when I talk to this person. Dr. Veronica: Wow, interesting that you're going to marry somebody like that. Let's move on. So that everybody can look at their name and figure out something about them, you talk about the placement of vowels, consonants, the first vowel is this and the last vowel is that and all that. Go over some of that so we could start learning and looking at the paper, and understanding how powerful this is. Dr. Sharon: Okay. The first letter in the first name is your first impression that you're giving out to people, the first vowel in the first name regardless of what letter, first, second, third, fourth position it has, that's your communication style, you're learning style, a lot of your attributes sit right there. Then you have these middle letters that it takes a lot of people a long time to get to know you before they start showing themselves. And then the last letter in the first name is the letter that everybody talks about you behind your back when they say, "Oh, do you know this one?" And then they go, "Oh yeah, I do." And they always mention what's that last letter because it's their lasting impression of you. If we're talking about the communication style and just some of the things that are in the first vowel in the first name. If you have an A these are the people that are workaholics but they're also coach potatoes. They don't need to be the one in charge but they need to work for somebody who's confident. Because if that person's not confident they'll slowly take over and do that job and their job because work always comes first. These are the people that I always laughingly say keep the books stores in order, but it's anything. It's magazines, it's whatnot. They have to be reading. They have to be learning. They have to be growing at all times because that's really important to them.  And so a gift certificate to a bookstore is a wonderful gift because they'll always find something in there that they like. And that's just a very short synopsis and they're very visual learners. If you're presenting something to an A you want to have it where they can look at it, because that way it goes into the memory and it's easier for them to get.  Then A-E. If your first vowel is an E I always call these the detectives. They want to know the background and the story of everybody they meet, what's behind them, what's going on, what makes them tick, and who are they really. So I think of them as the detectives. They also have a natural way of beauty in the world. They will notice like say there's a crooked picture on the wall. When they walk in by they're straightening it up because it looks better straightened out than when it's crooked. And they have a great sense of humor. They like to play. They like to have fun. Work is fun. Just to show you the contrast, when an A goes to work they immediately go to work. "We got to do A, B, C, and D. When our job's done then we'll visit with everybody else." When an E goes to work they have to visit everybody, know that everybody's okay, and then they can go to work. They're just opposites on how they start. If you don't understand that their opposites then it becomes a conflict. But it's up to the A to learn the E's way of being and to adapt. It is not up to the E to learn the A's. Then we have the I and the O. The I's are always family oriented. We get all of our lessons in life, they come in one of three packages. They're either health or their relationships, or their financial and resources. And so the I people get theirs not only through relationships but they say want to major in family relationships. And so the good, bad, and the ugly is on family. A lot of times the I person will say, "Oh yeah, I don't have any family issues because I don't talk to any of them." The important thing they came to learn how to do, and that is how do you get along with all these diverse personalities and not let them eat your life. The I's love to be included. So if you know somebody who's first vowel is an I, if you're going bowling, even if they don't like to bowl you say, "Would you like to go bowling with us?" And even if it's your 100th time to go bowling and they've told you no 99 times you still ask them. And the reason for that is then they know that they were wanted and they love that even though they're going to say no again. And you all know they're going to say no. You still ask them. Because being included is very important.  And they are the natural leaders. If the boss says something you didn't quite get it. You don't go to the boss you go to an I because they'll give it to you. They're the natural ones that were comfortable to work with. Then there's the O and they're also leaders but they're usually the assigned leaders and they love to be the boss. They love to tell other people what to do. They nurture other people. They have so many balls up in the air they're constantly throwing balls up. And they love to see how many balls they can get up in the air and never drop one. And they love to just boss and let other people know what to do and how to do it, if it's right or if it's wrong and everything. And then they nurture other people around them to the best of their ability.  The thing that hurts them the most is if somebody's not loyal. Because they say, "Hey look, I was so good to you and now you're not loyal back." And what that looks like is if you bad mouth anybody that they care about. Then they hold it against you and not against the other person even if what you said was true. It doesn't matter, you're bad mouthing somebody. That's not loyalty. And they hold loyalty above everything else. Just like the A and the E, come at things from opposite directions and the A needs to be the one that learns the E. The I and the O come at things from opposite directions, natural leadership versus assigned leadership. And the O needs to learn the way of the I, the I doesn't need to learn the way of the O. It doesn't work. And O's love money, everything. You give them a present it's like how much they love me. The O [Unintelligible 00:26:26] everything by money.  Then you have the U and the Y. The U is the other one with a great sense of humor and they love to be unique. And they love things that are different and they love experiences, and they're just fun. The have attention span about the size of the mat because it just goes. And conversations with them will go all over everywhere and eventually will circle back around.  And so to keep up with a U, and they're great storytellers, you're going to have to be able to flow with the conversation and not be very linear because that would drive you nuts. But the U's always see the big picture where the A's and the O's are looking at the details. And so if you're putting a committee together you want big picture people along with detailed people because you want the whole thing.  And the U's are just a lot of fun. They  are what I call entertainers. And some of them will say, "I'm not very entertaining." But it's how they put their words together and how they describe things we're all just fascinated, because they just have a unique way about them.  Then the Y's are the spiritual seekers. They're always questioning everything. It's always like they're looking to keep finding. It doesn't matter what they know or how much they know they're always looking to find even more. And the Y is not a very often used vowel and they can be the boss' boss. It's the only one that the O will yield to. What's also interesting about the Y is that Y's like to make things even or what I call get revenge. If you do something that's upsetting to a Y, it doesn't matter how long it takes but the right time, at the right place, whatever, they're going to get it back. They're going to somehow even the score. And they'll never let you know that you tweaked them somehow but they'll just get even down the road somewhere.  That's a real challenge and I always think that's the vowel that you're the most cautious around because you have to really get to know them before you're going to express yourself very much because if not you don't know if you're tweaking something or not. Dr. Veronica: Okay. That just gives us a little bit of a nutshell. Everybody's got go to knowthename.com. I want to say that again just because you start learning these things and you're like, "I need to know more." I always look at things related to how it affects people.  Physically people are always worried about their aches and pains, and their problems physically and that's why they originally come to me. They're having some type of physical ailment. But me being the medical intuitive I am always understand there's something underlying that. I need to come to your workshop. Is there a way that we could look at our name and know something about our physical ailments or what we're likely, where we're weak, or what we need to be careful of? Dr. Sharon: The answer is yes. But I'm still in the research phase of that and I'm just almost ready to start testing it and fine tuning it. I've been doing that research for a long time. For example the people with an A-N combination in their name, usually at some time in their life will have immune challenges. The people with an A-R in their name will sometime in their life have a problem with their throat. They'll get the strep throat or they'll have throat issues or whatever. There are certain combinations that are lending themselves naturally to a certain part of the body. I started doing this with collecting people's names and ailments trying to find enough to get the patterns sorted out literally because I've watched astrologers tell other people this is the weak link area in your body. And those people then say, "Well then if kidneys are the weak link I'm not going to drink. Or if the heart's the weak link then I'm not going to do something else."  I've watched astrologers do that with different people and I thought wouldn't that be wonderful if we could do that in our names. Because I know the information is there it's just sorting it all out. And so I'm getting close to starting the testing phase. Dr. Veronica: Exciting. I can't wait to know all that. Dr. Sharon: Yeah, eventually it'll be know the name, know the health. Dr. Veronica: I like that, know the name, know the health. Talk a little bit about your workshops. You have the books that people can read. I've read and I'm like I need to know more. Talk about the workshops that you put on for people. Dr. Sharon: About every three months I put on a workshop and I keep them fairly small because I want to make sure everybody really gets it. And we go through and we cover all the chapter 6, 7, and 8 in level 1. And then we cover chapter 6, 7, and 8 in level 2. There's two levels. By the end of level 1 unless you want to do fine tuning and very subtle things you have so much information you could literally give somebody an hour reading because we go through all of it.  And because I've been a school teacher for so many years I give you all the mnemonic devices how you can remember all of this. And then I show you shortcuts and how to read it so you can instantly know when you're meeting somebody new whether they're safe, they're not safe, you can trust them, you don't want to trust them. Maybe you can trust with them but not with money, but you can trust them in other things. It all comes out of that workshop and all the hidden stuff and how to remember it. And then there's a lot of tricks and devices. And I also show you how to tell if that's a good address for you. There's all kinds of things that I show up, like what years of your life you're focusing on what and how do you figure that out for anybody. Where is my focus now and when is it going to change? And then what's my focus going to be?  There's so many things in a name and it's 15 hours. It took me 15 years to figure this all out and I tested it for 3 years in over 72 countries. The first level is 15 hours and you're literally given enough that you could give somebody an hour reading and then you can charge for it because then you're certified.  And then I have level 2 where you get all the subtleties, and that's when you can start working with the businesses. Dr. Veronica: The workshop's two days? Dr. Sharon: It's 15 hours and it's either two days or what I like to do is Friday night, all day Saturday, and then Sunday morning. Dr. Veronica: Okay. That sounds good. So we can take a little bit of a long weekend but be back to work on Monday. Dr. Sharon: Right. You can fly out Friday, you can fly home Sunday afternoon. And you squish that whole weekend in and it's going to feel like you were here a long time because of so much information you get. And you go home with cheat cards. You just lay out your cards and you just start reading everybody. Dr. Veronica: That sounds beautiful. Your website Know The Name. We know that you're working on the health. Just one little thing before we close. We only got about five more minutes. What about people who have a different language? My son learned to speak Mandarin and the characters are completely different. What to do you do with languages like that? Dr. Sharon: I spent a year in China and I spent two years in Japan trying to figure out the kanji, the hanji, and seeing how it correlated with the letters. What I can tell you is you need to have a much deeper understanding of that than what I was able to get in that amount of time. What I did do when I tested it around the world is as long as they're using our letter system, the same one that we use it works. And every one there'll be a tweak and that's in the book in the What If chapter. For example in Germany when two vowels go walking the second one does the talking. In English when two vowels go walking the first one does the talking. When you're going into the diphthongs that you're given with two vowels together and what they mean, if you're a German name you just need to reverse them and then you get the right meaning. Very few things like that, but it did give me the symbols. I traveled enough and got enough details, so like the tilde, and the accents, and the people that had numbers. It went by a number for a while and so their name. Anyway, all of that is in the What If chapter. Dr. Veronica: Okay, knowthename.com, we can go there to find out when you're having the workshops. I know you're located geographically in Florida. Do you do it down there where we can come have good weather in the middle of the winter? Dr. Sharon: I usually do Florida, I usually do Texas, I usually do San Diego. And then I'll pick one northern place every year. Dr. Veronica: No northern places, but I know northern people want to be northern. Those of us who are more northern want to come some place hot. Dr. Sharon: It depends on the time of the year. In the summer we all want to go north. Dr. Veronica: It's true. Sharon thank you so much. This about people learning about themselves, but also learning how to manage the world and their stresses, and by people understanding just by knowing somebody's name what's going on. I think that lowers the stress because it allows you to be understanding. And just like that couple who realized, "We're not supposed to be together, but we're not going to hate on each other. We realized that we're just different and it was just meant to be that way. And it's not that you're bad or I'm bad, it's just our names don't go together." Thank you so much, knowthename.com, Sharon Lynn Wyeth. Dr. Sharon: Always a pleasure Veronica. Thank you. Female VO: Thank you for listening to The Wellness Revolution Podcast. If you want to hear more on how to bring wellness into you     _______________________________ Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.   To get started transforming your health, schedule a consult HERE.  

Hosted by Eric McClintock, and Brendan Farmer. Listen Here: Download Here PS, if you're looking for the video version please see here for a recording of the live broadcast. We are working on improving the quality of the high resolution version for next week! Orbx FSX Go Tweak & Launch Released Welcome to Tweaker's Heaven! The ULTIMATE FSX Launcher. Orbx's FSX Go puts your favourite tweaks and saved flights together into a single profile. Setting your tweaks and launching FSX with your saved flight is now done in one simple action. FSX Go has been designed with both casual and ardent tweakers in mind. The package comes with a lengthy list of the most popular tweaks for the FSX.cfg which should satisfy most tweaking needs. It also ships with a tweak editor, which allows you to add and edit your own tweaks to the Master Tweaks list. For those with some knowledge of batch file scripting you can point FSX Go at your own batch file to launch FSX giving you even greater flexibility. Features The ultimate FSX launcher application Add as many or few custom tweaks as you want Create your own master list of tweaks Launch your saved flights, plus apply tweaks on launch Launch using your own custom batch files Apply custom FSX splash screens Many more features! More Info Real Environment Xtreme FS2004 Service Pack released REX for FS2004 has been updated with the released of their Service Pack. Changes Added WASys icon to taskbar when in use (per user feedback) Added FSUIPC options to Configuration window to allow user to config custom general FSUIPC settings (per user feedback) Fixed cloud handling and missing clouds issue with the REX weather engine Fixed the cloud layer issue within the wxtemp.xml file Fixed reset of re-load of weather if aircraft passes weather range before auto re-load Fixed issue with importing FSBuild flight plans and waypoints not showing Fixed water environment reflections Fixed Cumulus 32 transparency (per user feedback) Fixed Cumulus 53 transparency (per user feedback) Fixed Restore function in Configuration window Fixed Ocean Water colorization and installation Fixed Ocean Water Set 1 (per user feedback) Fixed Wave Animation set 05 (per user feedback) Revised aircraft reflection file (per user feedback) Increased time before auto-loading weather into FS9 when using the REX weather engine Adjusted formula for winds aloft More Info FS(X)Pilot Is Now Freeware Both versions of FSPILOT, the universal and standalone autopilots for both helicopters and fixed wing planes, have been transformed to freeware recently. Go to the homepage (-> downloads) of their development team to grab your copy of the program and your registration key. Via Avsim.com, More Info. Orbx Releases BOB For FSX For Free Merry Christmas everyone! Here's your little gift from all of us at Orbx - BOB! "He's had a few birth pains over the past week as we've wrestled with the black science of the FSX aircraft dynamics to get him to behave like something resembling human motion. Anyway, he's now ready for you to take on leisurely strolls through our airports." via Avsim.com, More Info. Airshow Pilot Released from JustFlight More Info. RealityXP GPS for X-Plane Leveraging the latest capabilities offered with X-Plane 9.41, the Reality XP GNS 430/530 WAAS can guide you to fly your aircraft through holding patterns, procedure turns and other position-critical IFR flight procedures, with full autopilot coupling for both lateral and vertical path guidance. The new integration also permits coupling HSI LCDI and VCDI for maximum awareness during any phase of the flight. You can now fly fully coupled LPV approaches with the autopilot and experience the extra capabilities of the GNS WAAS in mission rehearsal scenarios and personal self-paced learning environments More Info. Chicago X From Aerosoft Remember the good old days when MS Flight Simulator dropped you in Meigs Field for your first flight lessons? Meigs was sadly closed a few years ago but now it's back in FS(X)! Together with the fourth, largest city and windiest in the US Cities range so far: Chicago! This scenery will bring you Chicago with as much detail as you never seen before. In this scenery there are hints to the past as it includes Merrill C Meigs fiels and (optional) a glimpse of the future as you are able to see the Chicago Spire, a skyscraper in development that will put Chicago back at the top of skyscraper cities. US Cities X is a series of city scenery for FSX that covers US cities created by LimeSim. Based on an extensive aerial image it will have all the major buildings and landmarks plus all the airports and heliports that are inside the covered areas. It is clearly intended to fill the gap between the default scenery and very high dense city scenery such as Manhattan X, London VFR or Venice X. Because the file size is rather large due to the ground image it only includes one season (in most cases this is not a real issue) and no night textures. The VFR flights over these cities are mostly a day time affair anyway. Features: Aerial image coverage (see attached Google Earth file) More than 2,000 major buildings included About 210,000 (!) autogen buildings placed realistically "Retro style" version of Meigs Field that was sadly demolished in 2003 Major airports in and around the city are covered with new high res ground images (no new building structures added) Chicago O'Hare (including new runway layout) Chicago Midway Chicago Executive (formerly known as Palwaukee Mun) Schaumburg Regional Brookeridge Airpark (where homes are next to the runway) 9 heliports as start locations Sound effects like downtown- and highway traffic, gulls... Traffic on most major roads Low price, very good value for money Includes a separate Scenery Density tool Manual as a .pdf-File (English) More Info. SimFlight3D Announces Spirit Of Texas SimFlight3D is currently designing its first racing plane, the Spirit of Texas aircraft. This Sea Fury aircraft raced in the Elite Unlimited Gold race at the 2009 Reno Air Races. More Info. VAFlash Provides VA News I would like to wish everyone out there a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and prosperous New Year! 2009 was a great year and we saw lots of transition at VAFlash.com.  The site was brought back from the brink of extinction partly because of the generosity of the J.A, the founder and former owner of VAFlash. We also have partnered with many new and older VAs alike and continue to give the flightsim community the very latest news in the virtual airline arena. More Info. FS Recorder 2.0 beta released Finally here is the first beta of FS Recorder 2. It is now almost exactly a year since I started the complete rewrite of the code for version 2. The code has grown to more than 13000 lines (without comments and blank lines), and I spent lots of hours hacking FS9 and FSX to get the new features working. FS Recorder 2 is rewritten from scratch. There are some exiting new features and lots of improvements in v2. Besides the new features I improved the FSX version a lot: Playback performance should be much better now, it should now be similar to the FS9 version; camera features (called advanced views in v1) are now also available in the FSX version. I won't list all the new features here, I don't even remember all the small improvements right now. Just try the new version and read the manual, then you'll discover all of them. More info and download links here! IVAO’s IVAP FS9 Updated VAO.AERO’s Christmas gift is a new version of their pilot client IVAP for FS9. This new version includes major changes which improve the realistic experience on the biggest online FS network enhanced realtime weather support like worldwide aloft winds, new traffic interpolation and peer-to-peer traffic engine for smooth multiplayer environment. More Info. E-Mails Orbx PNW News from Ted Not sure this was on Today's show... but, this is from John Venema over at Orbx http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?topic=17022.msg148377#msg148377 "We don't announce release dates at Orbx. We were hoping for a xmas release but at this stage it's looking more like January sometime, since there's still some work to do with the seasonal colouring, traffic and also the night lighting, which I just don't see getting done in time for Santa's sleigh, sorry."   Ted Also Writes in with: For another show idea, you might also want to tell folks about the EAA Young Eagles program for kids ages 8 to 17. http://www.youngeagles.org/ My daughter is 10. We'll see if she wants to take an intro flight or not and then see if she wants to join. One of the benefits is, when the youngster is a member of Young Eagles they get FREE access to Sporty's online pilot training course. http://www.youngeagles.org/sportys_faq.pdf I know you have several listeners of the podcast who are under 17 years of age and they might benefit from this. Ted Engine Failure Procedure Absolutely love the podcast, listen every Wednesday night, litterally since day one. My names Jordan I'm a PPL from Windsor, Ontario (next to Detroit) and have been a flight simmer for since the 95' days. This message is with regards too Mark's Engine Failure Procedure. I like to shed some light on how it's done here in Canada, and would really appreciate if you posted this on the sight. So there you are flying along in let's say a 172. Then the engine quits, what now? First thing you do is Trim from your Best-glide-speed; let's say 62kts, then you need to find where the wind is coming from, some ways of doing this would be looking at smoke from a stack at a factory, maybe look at some water if there is any around to get an idea. If all that fails you could listen to a nearby ATIS or contact TWR etc. Now that you have Trimmed and you know where the wind is coming from, Only now can you truly find a proper "field." In this part of SW Ontario most fields run length ways from West to East, so now you will have somewhat of an idea of which direction you will be landing. Finding a good field (highway etc) involves a few simple things. Number one, you'd like anything long, level with no powerlines and the less obstacles the better. You also want to take into account the crops/conditions (if your landing in a field). For example, if its fall and your landing you 172 on a field that has been plowed recently your probably going to kill yourself and your airplane because its so rough. If its late summer and Corn has been planted your going to have reduced depth perception because by that time Corn is 6' tall. Soybeans however work great... They provide a soft, usually level surfac to touch down on. Now, you want to confirm that the engine has actually failed... Why wait until now, isn't it logical to do this at the beginning instead of waiting? No! Why? well .....because the time it takes you to figure out if the engine actually failed or if you accidently pulled the Mixture out instead of the Throttle, is time you could have spent at a higher altitude looking for a good surface to touch down on. Remeber, if at this stage you realize you screwed something up all you have to do is restart and go back up right? Makes sense doesn't it. This procedure (of finding out what happened is called a Cause Check), essentially, and memorized checklist of things to look at before you make the next step. Ok, so here we are. Got 62 KIAS, we are TRIMMED, we know the direction of the WIND, and we also have a FIELD picked out. All the while you turing that key too ATTEMPT A RESTART of our failed engine. It won't start! Ok, now we need to do a couple things. First I'm going to "Sqwauk" 7700 (emergency code on the transponder) so ATC knows something is wrong and can give the Emergency crews a idea of where you are. Next I'm going to contact someone. Who you contact depends on where you are. You'll get much faster assistance if you contact an ATC facility near you, you don't have to be talking to anyone. So a nearby TWR, UNICOM, or the famous 121.5, which is the universal emergency frequency, which by the way pilots are suppose to be monitoring so that when something like this does happen they can relay it back to FSS or whatever. A transmission would contain the following: MAYDAY MADAY MAYDAY (yes says it 3 times) C172 Tail Number (3 times) ENGINE FAILURE, 3 miles south-east of Essex, Landing in a field two miles East of Highway #3. MAYDAY C-GDIO OUT. You want to tell the ATC facility who you are, where your going, what your intentions are and what the problem is. Remember the better the information, the faster the Emergency services can get to you if things go South. Now, if you have PAX (passangers) aboard they are going to be soiling there pants, there is no denying to them (nor should you) that there is a problem with the airplane, so you want to complete the PAX BRIEF. Talkt to them like a human being, tell them that everything is fine, the airplane is having problems and you doing to have to put it down in a field in the interest of safety. Before you took off (by fed. regulations) you should have shown them how to use the fire extengishers, locations of exits, how to operate to exits etc, you do this in the pre-flight so that you don't have to do it all now, saves time right? Remember where are getting lower as a write this. The PAX Brief should sound something like this: "Ladies and Gentlmen (lol in a big Captain voice), where are expereincing as engine failure. We are going to be landing in a field," (point it out) so they have an idea of whats going on. "If you are wearing glasses or have pen's, pencils or anything else sharp in your possesion, please put them in the seat back pocket infront of you. When the airplanes lands we will be exiting and meeting at (so and so spot) where we will wait for emergency crews." Now you get the idea right? Just talk to them. I'm not going to get into specific Aircraft types, becuase every plane is differnet, esepically when you get into multi's. At my flight school we never had a "checlist" for engine failures. It was memorzied and that way we could keep our heads out the window and not looking a a piece of paper. Next security, after flying over or around your field you set yourself up for an approach, set your final flaps (when landing assured). A few hundred feet before landing you want to SECURE the airplane. This involves turning everything off, from pulling the mixture too turing the battery off. Try to insure that there is no power going through the airplane when you touch down, it will make things better for ya if you acutally crash. Insure everyone has there seatbelts on, and in some models of airplanes you actually open the doors before landing so that if you do smoke the ground the doors don't jam and you can get out incase there was a fire or something. And thats pretty much it. SUMMARY: BEST GLIDE SPEED WIND FIELD CAUSE CHECK ATTEMPT RESTART PAX BRIEF MAYDAY CALL SECURITY FINAL WORDS: I was assuming VFR in a 172 at lets say 3500' over a non-populated area. This is a general way of following through with a "forced landing." All of these things can change depending on WX, Terrain, Aircraft Types etc etc. This may seem like a lot of information and procedures, but in the hands of a good pilot it should happen very fast, this way you can keep your eyes out the windows looking for traffic and assessing the field you may want to land in. A last tip would too anyways, no matter where you are, to have your eyes out the window looking for a field, even if the engine is working fine. Failures will NEVER EVER happen when its convient for you. Hope someone finds this interesting. Thanks........ Jordan Collins say...I always wondered, with Mark's high level of knowledge, what ratings does he have? Commerical, ATPL? Thanks.....hey if you ever need a fill in on the show, let me know. Take Care. FSBreak Changed Me... From Tim Hi Everyone! I've been a listener to the show for about a month now, and love it! I don't even mind those long 3-hour episodes because of my long commute. I'm nearly caught up with all the shows. Yes, I really did listen to them all in only about a month...! FSBreak has really changed the way I do my simming. Here is a list of things that I now do differently compared to prior to the time I was a listener: I now use more than one flight sim. Before I only used FSX. Now I have reinstalled FS9 and purchased X-Plane. I have doubled my frame rates in FSX (average is now about 40) but I keep it locked at 30 to avoid studdering. I have switched from primarilly being a commercial pilot in the sim to GA. I once again am active on VATSIM (after a 3-year drought). I have purchased numerous add-ons for the sim based on the recommendations of the show hosts. I want to thank you for producing the show, which I look forward to listening to when I am stuck in my car! - Tim