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This week, the boys discuss why there are a lack of Wonder Woman Video Games, how they would make a Wonder Woman game, and her best video game appearances. Wonder Woman is a superheroine who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character first appeared in All Star Comics #8, published October 21, 1941, with her first feature in Sensation Comics #1 in January 1942. She was created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston (pen name: Charles Moulton), and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance.Like, comment, and subscribe for more content analyzing the greatest tales of DC and Marvel stories. Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join#WonderWoman#DC#VideogamesFollow us on instagram: comicsleague2021Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.comWebsite: https://comicsleague.com Teladia PlaysTwitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlaysYoutube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlaysInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/Robert Willing: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@willin Twitter: https://twitter.com/staredcraftJJheat:Twitter:https://twitter.com/JJheat75Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmYlqETvh2B5pB3MbmMwoMwSubscribe to the Podcast on:Apple PodcastsGoogle PodcastsSpotifyand many other platforms.Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
This week, Jared and Robert discuss their favorite Wonder Woman stories and their theories for the Tom King Wonder Woman run. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Robert's Links: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCkIM1Gxc8WxqQiNygmtQhoQ Twitter: https://x.com/staredcraft?s=21 Discussed in this episode: 1. The best Wonder Woman Comics 2. What makes a good Wonder Woman story 3. Jared and Robert's theories about Tom King's Wonder Woman 4. The future of Wonder Woman's daughter Trinity Like, comment, and subscribe for more content analyzing the greatest tales of DC and Marvel stories. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join #DC #KingOffWonderWoman #RetconTrinity #TomKing Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
This week, the boys react to the content that came out in 2024 as well as their favorite episodes and guests. Superman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, and debuted in the comic book Action Comics #1. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston (pen name: Charles Moulton), and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. She is one of the first superheroes of DC comics and is one of the strongest superheroes of all time. What do you think? What was your favorite Comics League Content from 2024? Like, comment, and subscribe for more character analysis, discussions, and livestreams! #DC #Superman ##KingOffWonderWoman #RetconTrinity Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
This week, Jared has friend of the channel Robert Willing to discuss Tom King Wonder Woman's run, the failure of the character of Trinity (Wonder Woman's daughter), how they would fix her character and , failing that, how they would retcon the character out of continuity. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Robert's Links: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCkIM1Gxc8WxqQiNygmtQhoQ Twitter: https://x.com/staredcraft?s=21 Discussed in this episode 1. How To Fix Trinity 2. How to retcon Trinity out of continuity 3. How to fix Steve Trevor 4. The Problem with Tom King's Wonder Woman Chapters: 0:00 Start 0:00:49 The Problem With Trinity 0:01:56 Can We Fix Trinity? 0:23:11 How To Recon Trinity 0:41:19 Should Steve Trevor Stay Dead? 0:52:07 How To Fix Steve Trevor What do you think? What is the biggest problem with Trinity? Should Trinity be reconned out of continuity? Can Trinity be salvaged? Like, comment, and subscribe for more character analysis, discussions, and livestreams! #DC#WonderWoman#Trinity#TomKing Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
In this week's packed episode, the boys discuss which book was better: Absolute Batman or Absolute Wonder Woman. Batman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. Batman was created by the artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger, and debuted in the 27th issue of the comic book Detective Comics on March 30, 1939. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Teladia Plays Twitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlays Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ What do you think? Did you like Absolute Batman or Wonder Woman more? Like, comment, and subscribe for more killer podcast episodes about the worlds of DC and Marvel comics. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join #DC #Batman #WonderWoman Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/her
In this week's packed episode, the boys answer all of your burning comic book questions and so much more! Superman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, and debuted in the comic book Action Comics #1. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Teladia Plays Twitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlays Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ What do you think? Like, comment, and subscribe for more killer podcast episodes about the worlds of DC and Marvel comics. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join #DC #SuperWonder #Superman #WonderWoman Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
In this week's packed episode, Jared and Teladia discuss Absolute Wonder Woman and its clear influence from the New 52 Wonder Woman and possibly SuperWonder book.Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Discussed in this episode 1. Absolute Wonder Woman 2. If Absolute SuperWonder could happen 3. The SnyderVerse influence on Absolute Wonder Woman Chapters: 0:00 Start 0:00:49 Absolute Wonder Woman 0:14:23 Absolute SuperWonder? 0:21:31 Another SnyderVerse 0:40:15 Wrap Up Teladia Plays Twitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlays Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ JJheat: Twitter:https://twitter.com/JJheat75 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmYlqETvh2B5pB3Mbm What do you think? Are you excited for Absolute Wonder Woman? Can the Absolute Universe Succeed? Like, comment, and subscribe for more content analyzing the romantic history of Superman and Wonder Woman Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join #DC #WonderWoman #SuperWonder #New52 Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
In this week's packed episode, the boys answer all of your burning comic book questions and so much more! Superman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, and debuted in the comic book Action Comics #1. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Teladia Plays Twitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlays Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ What do you think? Like, comment, and subscribe for more content analyzing the romantic history of Superman and Wonder Woman Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join #DC #SuperWonder #Superman #WonderWoman Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
In this week's packed episode, Jared and Teladia discuss the best couples in all of DC and Marvel, Such as SuperWonder, Batcat, AquaMera, and so much more! Superman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, and debuted in the comic book Action Comics #1. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Discussed in this episode 1. Why SuperWonder works 2. Other compelling DC Couples 3. What makes a good Comic Book Couple? Chapters: 0:00 Start 0:00:49 The Best Comic Book Couples 0:01:19 Why SuperWonder Works 0:10:35 Batman/Catwoman 0:14:43 Aquaman/Mera 0:15:56 Cyclops/Emma Frost 0:19:34 Green Lantern/Star Sapphire 0:24:04 What Makes A Good Comic Book Couple? 0:29:04 Spiderman/Black Cat 0:32:16 Green Lantern/Vixen0:38:4 Wrap-Up Teladia PlaysTwitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlaysYoutube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlaysInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ What do you think? What are your favorite Comic Book Couples? Why does SuperWonder just work? Like, comment, and subscribe for more content analyzing the romantic history of Superman and Wonder Woman Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join#DC#SuperWonder#Superman#WonderWoman Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
This week, the boys discuss why Wonder Woman, despite being as iconic as Batman and Superman, struggles at the box office in terms of the general audience. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. Discussed in this episode 1. The cinematic history of Wonder Woman 2. Which movie adapted Wonder Woman best. 3. Why Wonder Woman struggles 4. How to help Wonder Womanmake more money at the box office Chapters 0:00 Start 0:01:14 Wonder Woman Movie And TV History 0:18:26 Wonder Woman Comic History 0:25:23 Can The Wonder Woman Game Save Diana? 0:30:32 How We Would Fix Wonder Woman 0:38:44 Concluding Thoughts About Wonder Woman What do you think? Why does Wonder Woman struggle at the box office? How would you fix Wonder Woman's movie, TV, or Comics performance. Like, comment, and subscribe for more character analysis, discussions, and livestreams! #DC#WonderWoman #GalGadot #Amazons Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/hero
Marvel has some of the most iconic female superheroes of all time, but why dont they have one on the level as DC's Wonder Woman? Well, in depth to discuss who they think is Marvel''s Wonder Woman and if the upcoming Wonder Woman game will be successful. Wonder Woman is a superheroine created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston, and artist Harry G. Peter in 1941 for DC Comics. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. What do you think? Who is Marvel's Wonder Woman? Do you think the Wonder Woman game will be successful? Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTtjdjM7N8_PLprDIdMJCWQ/join Teladia Plays Twitter:https://twitter.com/TeladiaPlays Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/c/TeladiaPlays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teladiaplays/ Discussed in this episode: 1. Who is Marvel's Wonder Woman? 2. Will the Wonder Woman game be successful? Chapters: 0:00 Start 0:50 Who is Marvel's Wonder Woman? 0:10:23 The Wonder Woman Game 0:35:21 Wrap Up #WonderWoman #MarvelComics #CaptainMarvel Follow us on instagram: comicsleague2021 Email us: comicsleague2020@gmail.com Website: https://comicsleague.com Subscribe to the Podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify and many other platforms. Music provided by taketones.com: https://taketones.com/track/heros
In this episode, we take a deep dive into the movie "Professor Marston and the Wonder Women." It's all about the life of psychologist William Moulton Marston and his unique relationship with his wife Elizabeth Holloway Marston and their mistress Olive Byrne. We talk about how their unusual love story inspired Marston to create the superhero Wonder Woman. Join us as we discuss the movie's portrayal of their unconventional lifestyle and its influence on the famous comic book character. It's a fascinating look at love, feminism, and psychology in pop culture. Thank you to our sponsor KindD, one of the most famous kink, BDSM and fetish dating apps. Go to kinkdapp.com to begin your free membership. You can also find the app in the Apple App Store and Google Play. Visit us at pinkkinkpodcast.com Affiliates - SireDonLeather.com (use code PINKKINK to save 10% on your order) Cancerphase.com (use code PINKKINK to save 10% on your order) Visit https://linktr.ee/pinkkinkpodcast for links to our Patreon, Pink Kink Boutique, Pink Kink Institute, social media accounts and more! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pinkkink/message
Em pleno Sol de Primavera é hora de celebrar a indulgência mas também olhá-la nos olhos. O episódio de hoje conecta o plano de reprogramação da população juvenil americana através da criação de um psicólogo feminista; A Mulher Maravilha. Irónico inicialmente trata-se de uma sincronicidade extraordinária que a obra deste taurino, criador do detector de mentiras seja partilhado em vésperas de Plutão em Aquário ficar retrógrado e poucos dias após a celebração de uma revolução que ainda não trouxe a liberdade desejada. William Marston é a cabeça de cartaz de hoje juntamente com a extraordinárias mulheres que inspiraram as suas criações. Musas e criadoras por seu próprio mérito; Elizabeth Holloway e Olive Byrne. Falamos de direitos e deveres, do choque de massas, dos limites da nossa liberdade e também da forma como podemos desmantelar o nosso medo de controlo ou enfrentar aquilo ou quem nos controla. Um beijo enorme a todos Agora sim, over n'out --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/margarida-rodrigues2/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/margarida-rodrigues2/support
Jordan and Brooke are rejoined by entertainment critic Rachel LaBonte (ScreenRant) to discuss Angela Robinson's criminally underseen film. They discuss canonically queer origins of Wonder Woman, how bad on-screen depictions of BDSM culture usually are, the film's hot polyamarous throuple, and, somehow, the Muppets.Follow us on Twitter and IG! (And Jordan's Letterboxd / Brooke's Letterboxd)Follow Rachel on Twitter and Letterboxd!
Rita shares a moment of personal growth at the top of the show. Then Avery does something unprecedented for the show–they cover the origins of the character Wonder Woman and the first woman to ever write her, Joye Hummel, who went unacknowledged for 70 years.
34 Circe Salon -- Make Matriarchy Great Again -- Disrupting History
Who doesn't love Wonder Woman? We all love the mighty Amazon! So join us for a fun and lively discussion with writer Teresa Jusino as we talk about this matriarchal superhero and the film which tells the story of her creation, "Professor Marston and the Wonder Women." William Moulton Marston, the creator of Wonder Woman, was a Harvard psychologist who co-created the lie detector. With his two life partners, psychologist Elizabeth Holloway Marston and psychology student Olive Byrne, the trio pursued a stable polyamory lifestyle and a continual quest of spread the gospel of matriarchy to the world. Elizabeth was a gifted scholar in her own right and created the lie detector alongside William. Olive was also a student of psychology and part of a lineage of Suffragettes-- her aunt was Margaret Sanger. Elizabeth and Olive had their own amazing relationship with each other which lasted several decades after William's death. An incredible story behind the creation of an incredible hero... Wonder Woman!
"March" Movie Madness part 3 (of 3)! For our final Justice League movie discussion, we go outside the DCEU and discuss two movies dealing with Wonder Woman's origins in very different ways. Professor Marston and the Wonder Women tells the story of Wonder Woman's creation and also looks at the unconventional lives of her creators. Meanwhile, the 2009 animated film provides a more modern take with an all-star vocal cast. Join us as we go down the rabbit hole that is Wonder Woman's history and discuss kink, polyamory, and BDSM. And -per usual- we swear a lot, too. Have questions/comments/concerns? Hit us up: tencenttakes@gmail.com ----more---- Jessika: I hope you realize what extremely heavy California accents we have. I hope you understand when the feedback comes in, that will be part of it! Hello and welcome to Ten Cent Takes, the podcast where we correct your comic misconceptions. One issue at a time. My name is Jessika Frazier and I am joined by my cohost, the royal robot, Mike Thompson. Mike: That's right. All my circuits are platinum or I don't know. Gold, gold plated, something. Jessika: Oh, gold plated. You've got like diamond and crusted things. They also serve a purpose being one of the sharpest items or Mike: Yeah I it. Thank you for that intro. Jessika: Of course. Well, the purpose of this podcast is to study comic books in ways that are both fun and informative. We want to look at their coolest, weirdest and silliest moments, as well as examine how they're woven into the larger fabric of pop culture and history. Now, today we're discussing the final installment of our "March" movie madness. Now I'm throwing heavy quotes around March movie madness because it is actually April. Mike: It's almost tax day at this point. Jessika: It's almost tax day. So we bled out a little bit, but we're trying to do these bi-weekly we got a little ahead of ourselves because we got so excited just to be talking about these things that we did a few more than we really anticipated in March, I would say to our listeners benefit. Mike: Yeah, sure. I concur. Jessika: So we are doing a deep dive into Wonder Woman's origins today. Now I'm not just talking about the origins of the character, but also of their creator and the reasons and motivations that drove this comic into existence. I'm excited about this. Mike: I am too. These movies were really pleasant surprises for different reasons. Jessika: I will agree with that wholeheartedly. Now, before we get into that, though. We love to do that whole one cool thing you've read or watched lately. And Mike, let's go ahead and start with you. Mike: Yeah. So I've been consuming a lot of Star Trek lately. I really enjoy the franchise in general, but I have this deep abiding passion for Deep Space Nine because my great uncle who was essentially my grandfather when I was growing up , we used to watch the show together every Sunday when we would go over to their house for dinner. So like, that was just this wonderful bonding activity with this guy who used to be a dive bomber in World War II and his very nerdy little 11-year-old nephew. I have these very treasured memories and I have the entire series on DVD of Deep Space Nine, which I will be buried with by the way. But both the entire series and the recent documentary about the show is on Amazon Prime. So I've been rewatching all of that, and I've been actually rereading some of the comics and then last week Star Trek Legends came out on a Apple Arcade and... it's fine. It's nothing special, but it's a fun distraction if you're a Trekkie who wants to just mash it up all the various characters from the different series together. So I currently have a away team with characters from the Next Generation and then Discovery and then the original series all together. And it's dumb, but it's fun. But this has led me down this rabbit hole, and I think that we should probably wind up doing an episode on Star Trek history in comics and how it actually helped shape the MCU as we know it. Jessika: I would love that. That sounds like so much fun. And I love Star Trek as well. I used to watch Star Trek with my dad. We were a Next Gen family. So I, you know, next gen and Riker jumping over chairs is like near and dear to my heart. Mike: I'm really bummed that that is not an animation and Star Trek Legends. It really makes me so grumpy. Jessika: What a miss. Such a missed opportunity Mike: What about you? What have you been reading or watching lately? Jessika: So I've been casually reading through a reprint of Giant-Size X-Men from 1975, and I say casually just kind of every once in a while I'll pick it up and I'll read through a few pages and be like, "Oh that was fun." And kind of put it back down again between whatever I'm doing. So of course you know they're they're retro comics and you know things are going to... it's me: Things are going to rub me the wrong way about some of the retro comics. Mike: A comic that's almost 40 years old possibly having some problematic elements to it? Go on. Jessika: Yeah no I try to set aside a lot of that but it is quite difficult with my very outspoken mind of mine. But one scene that really bothered me was from Storm's introduction. Professor X seeks out Storm in her native Kenya where she's legitimately saving the countryside by using her weather powers to get rid of drought. Mike: Right Jessika: But Professor X has the audacity to show up and say, "nah listen: Like I know you're helping quote unquote helping people here but I also need your help. And I'm much more important, let's be real. It's just a whole bag of yikes. Mike: Yeah I mean what year did giant size X-Men come out? Was that 75? Jessika: It was 75. Mhm. Mike: Yeah... That was the same year that we got Lois Lane turning black for a literal white savior piece of journalism. Racial sensitivity was not really a thing back then Jessika: Yeah, absolutely. And I and I do try to put myself into that mindset It's just so cringey though in this day and age to see things like that Mike: Yeah. Jessika: What I do like about it that everybody is so salty to one another. Like so salty. They're so sassy to one another. Every other page has just a roast battle between the members of the X-Men where they're like "yeah, One Eye" like Mike: I think I read a reprint of that when I was like 12 or 13 but I haven't re-read it at all recently. So I'll have to go back and check that out Jessika: I'll throw it your way. You can borrow it. It's fun. Well let's get into the meat of our episode and this was definitely a meaty topic. And I know I told you a little bit earlier I love me a good rabbit hole. Love jumping just right into them right off the top I read –more like I listened to but I mean it was a lot of time spent– three different audio books on the topic. Mike: Yeah no that's awesome I'm so excited to hear about all of Jessika: this. And the hard part then was whittling down what information I really wanted to give you. I highly recommend all of these resources and I really want to just throw them out at the top We will also throw them into the show notes. But I highly recommend -if you're interested in this topic- go read more about this because I'm not even touching the surface of these books. They are amazing. So the first one that I read was it was actually an article from smithsonian.com titled "the surprising origin story of Wonder Woman" by Jill LePore which led me to Jill LePore's larger book or I would say more extended book called The Secret History of Wonder Woman. It was also read by the author, so if you're a book on tape person, highly recommend listening to it. She's one of those people who really keeps your attention and she doesn't have that kind of drowsy lilt that some people do while they're reading, So I definitely I was able to stay really focused on it. And the last one was Wonder Woman Psychology by Trina Robbins and that had a couple of different narrators but that one was also very interesting and talked about all of the different aspects of the time and the different parts of psychology and gets more into because you know spoiler alert the author was a psychologist It does get deeper into that whole aspect of the reasons behind the comic in that way. Mike: That's a really cool and I'm really excited to hear everything that you learned because this is a topic that I had a vague awareness of but I have tried to stay as in the dark as possible for this episode because I'm really excited to learn from you about this Jessika: Let's all go on a learning journey together, Folks. What do you say. Mike: Yeah. Hop on the magic school bus kids. Jessika: Here we go. Mike: We're going to hang out with Goth Miss Frizzle. Jessika: Oh my gosh I know I'm wearing all black today and I have high bun. Very McGonigal right now. Mr Porter Um so Diana Prince is the secret identity of Wonder Woman but did you know that the creator of Wonder Woman had a secret identity himself? Well, today we're going to be discussing the creator of Wonder Woman, Charles Milton... or should I say William Moulton Marston. Marston's name, like his stories, were an amalgamation of fact and fiction his middle name mixed with that If max gains one of the co-founders of All-Star Comics and later DC, which stands for Detective Comics -fun fact: I didn't know that- where Wonder Woman made her debut. But Marston was hiding more than just a name. He had an entire life that he kept hidden from the world. William Moulton Marston was born in Massachusetts in May of 1893 to Frederick William Marston and Annie Marston. They bestowed upon him his mother's maiden name molten as a middle name, and as I've mentioned the last name he later uses as his nom du plume. By all accounts he seemed to have a easy childhood though I did hear reports that he was in the military for a stint I should say acting as a psychologist... I believe that was after his Harvard education, though He was accepted to Harvard for his advanced education and he eventually graduated and became a professor of psychology. While attending Harvard, Marston had many interests. One of them being the intelligent and motivated Elizabeth Holloway, whom he would later marry and who had been taking courses in one of the lesser quote unquote lesser universities that you know allowed women at that time. Mike: That was pretty standard at the time, right? Higher education for women was a new thing that was very looked down upon? Jessika: Oh it was incredibly new. This was the early 1900s. We're talking before 1910. That area. Women didn't have the right to vote yet which we definitely will get into. Didn't have the right to vote until 1920. That was a good few years before that point So the schools had the male schools would have a sister school basically or a lesser school . And for Harvard that was Radcliffe, which is where Holloway went And this was considered again the sister school But of course didn't have the same name and you didn't get the same degree .You still graduated from Radcliffe and women really didn't have the option to go down that actual Harvard route, which of course didn't give them an edge at all No edge Thanks a lot. Mike: Yeah what did you use a degree for back then? Jessika: I mean, nothing. What are you going to do with this degree in your home, in the kitchen? The oven doesn't need you to have a degree. It's just so gross. Mike: It's not a masters in baking roasts, Linda Jessika: And how they wished it were. You would think. Harvard acted like that. It was rough. She did however finish her education and become an lawyer with her degree being issued from Radcliffe despite petitioning multiple times to get a Harvard degree, since she was taking the same classes, they were the same classes. Mike: With the same professors, too, right? Jessika: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The class just had women in it instead of men That was the only difference. During college she and Marston were inseparable. One of the biographies I read stated that there was this rule that a woman could not walk or ride unaccompanied with a man However Holloway thought that was a completely stupid rule and just didn't follow it, which I love. She's like, "fuck that." Mike: That's so good. Jessika: And everything else I read about her said "fuck the rules, I do what I want." Which is so amazing for a woman in the early 1900s. I mean it's kind of an interesting concept right now let alone the 1900s. Mike: Yeah... we still have all of these societal norms that women are not supposed to go against. Jessika: Yeah. So Marston varied interests also included a search for "the truth." Quote unquote the truth. This was partially inspire Now part of what he invented I should say was inspired by an observation by Holloway that when she got mad or excited her blood pressure seemed to climb. And from that Marston created the earliest version of what we now know as the lie detector test or polygraph. The test is we know it now measures more than just blood pressure which was really the only thing he was checking on. Blood pressure in and of itself isn't going to tell you everything that you quote unquote need to know for a lie detector to be effective. That being said it's also mostly an admissible as we know it now in the US court of laws depending on the place and both parties have to agree to have it be accepted into the court case which I found I didn't know that. Yeah! Mike: I knew that growing up lie detector tests were considered to be kind of this infallible thing. And then it was like well you know you can sort of get around it by all these old wives tales of like you know you put a tack in your shoe and you press your toe against it and the pain messes up the results. And then later on I found out that they're not really great, they're not really admissible anymore but I didn't know that because I know that a lot of law enforcement still loves to rely on it. Jessika: Yeah and I think about the if you think about when you're nervous you can have a lot of different reasons for being nervous. Not because you're lying, necessarily. You could be a bad test taker and then you suddenly look like a guilty party It could be as that. Mike: I'm just thinking about all the times that I had to give public speeches. Either class presentations or later on when I was a journalist and I was moderating panels. Every time my pulse would be through the roof. Jessika: Same. Now can you imagine being somebody who is of an oppressed or a minority population who's being put into a situation where they have people of power who have them in a room and they have control and that is a really scary thing. Mike: Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare scenario. Jessika: I can imagine my heart rate going up in that situation, so having that be the measure doesn't seem like the best of ideas In my opinion. That being said, it does seem to be admissible in the court of Steve Wilkos and other daytime television shows. Mike, tell me the truth: Do you or have you ever watched those daytime shows like Maury or Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos? Mike: Yeah, so... Not only did I watch Maury during the daytime when I was just working on stuff at school and I wanted something on in the background, but I was a staff photographer for a newspaper during a celebrity golf tournament and Maury Povich was one of the celebrity golfers. He was really nice I wound up chatting with him for a minute while he was waiting for his turn at golf. I really feel like I missed an opportunity to have him record saying that I was not the father because that was the big thing that he was doing back then was all those paternity tests. Jessika: You say that like he's not still doing that. Mike: I don't know, does he still have show? I don't have TV anymore Jessika: I think so. You know, I really just catch clips. What I'll do is if I'm working and I have to be paying attention to my work -or if I if it's not something mindless like entering data or something- I like to listen to podcasts if I can actually pay attention but if I can't I'll just put on -and I don't watch it but I'll just- put on rotating clips through Facebook or something just go through Facebook watch and just whatever comes up next comes up. And every once in a while we'll get one of those Steve Wilkos and I hear "STEEEEVE" and I'm like, "Oh here we go." And it's always it's always a lie detector test, still to this day. Mike: Was Steve the guy who got his own show sprung off of like spun off of Jerry Springer? Jessika: "sprung off Springer." Correct. Yes. Mike: My roommate and I in college loved to watch Jerry Springer at night because it was the trashiest shit and we not stop. It was like a train wreck, you couldn't look away. Which I think was generally the appeal of Jerry Springer. But it's hard to resolve that because every interview I've seen with the guy he seems like a really pleasant down to earth human being. And then I'm like but you put the trashiest shit on television and it is demonstrable the effect that you had on daytime talk shows for a long time and still to this day in certain ways but for a while everybody was aping that. Anyway, this was a tangent. Jessika: That's okay It was exactly the tangent I wanted. Mike: Maury seemed like a lovely person for all two minutes that I interacted with him, and I hope that Jerry Springer is the person that he seems to be during interviews. Jessika: Same. Well, speaking of life drama, Marston had plenty. Mike: Oh, do tell. Jessika: Yeah. He was already married to his wife the aforementioned Elizabeth -who for consistency I'm going to continue calling Holloway though she did take his name when they got married. Marston, working as a professor at Tufts which is another university, fell in love with one of his students, Olive Byrne, in 1925 and advised his wife that Byrne could either move in or Marston was leaving. Mike: Oh. Jessika: Yeah. That was what the history said So we'll talk through the movie later Mike: Yeah, 'cuz my only familiarity with this so far is what I saw in the movie. *uggggh* Jessika: That was my reaction I now I did my research prior to watching the movie for this exact reason. So I watched the movie last night. It's super fresh. Mike: Yeah I watched it yesterday afternoon and then I watched the other one which we'll get into so it was the origins of Wonder Woman and then Wonder Woman a little bit more modern incarnation. Jessika: Perfect. Yeah. Byrne interestingly enough was the niece of Margaret Sanger. Have you heard that name before Mike: Yeah. She was like one of the early women's rights crusaders. Jessika: Yeah Yup Yup She was a renowned women's rights and birth control activist along with her sister Ethel Byrne opened the first birth control clinic in the United States which is so cool Mike: Yeah, that's awesome. Jessika: Both however were arrested for the illegal distribution of contraception and Ethel Byrne almost died during a hunger strike while she was in jail. Mike: I remember reading about that like in one of my one of my history classes. I mean, that checks out. Jessika: It was bad news bears. So I didn't write this down but I'm just remembering but I did read or listened to sources that said that multiple women were arrested and went on hunger strike and they were forced feeding them It was just it was bad news. The whole thing was just bad. So this obviously was during a time when women were still fighting for the right to vote as I'd mentioned earlier. And the idea of feminism was just a twinkle of a notion. So Byrne Holloway and Marston all three lived together for years as a throuple. Super interestingly they made up a backstory for all of as a widowed relative and both Holloway and Byrne were raising Marston's children. Byrne's Children were always told that their father had passed away and did not find out about the truth of their father's identity until after his death. Mike: Wow. So he fathered children with both women, correct? Jessika: He did. Yeah He fathered I believe two with Byrne and three with Holloway. They all live together in a house and again they managed to keep it secret enough that even their children didn't know. In the same house It's so wild to me Like how you and Mike: Insane to me. Jessika: You fathered children with this woman and they didn't know. No one knew. I can't fathom that honestly. Especially in a time when everybody was up at everybody else's business. Mike: Oh yeah. It's not like we had Netflix. You needed to do invent your own drama. Jessika: You look out Mike: the window. Before Marston died because he died fairly young as I remember it. So that was the whole thing in the movie is that they got out as being in a throuple to their neighbors. Nothing? Jessika: Never happened. They didn't get in trouble at the school. They didn't get in trouble with the neighbors. None of that. It was seamless. Mike: That actually makes me really happy. Jessika: Me too Mike: I love the idea of it sounds like a relatively healthy family. Jessika: I Mike: don't know. Maybe? Jessika: Y'know from what I was hearing because we're still in 1910 we're still in the 1920s I guess at this point it's still is like Marston is Papa Marston he's still man of the house. So I don't know especially when you're looking at this whole -how it was phrased and this is just a couple of sources- but just as far as how it's phrased in this I don't know that Holloway really had a choice other than "well I could be stuck here with" I don't know if she had children at that point "I could maybe be stuck as a single mother in the 1920s or I could allow this other woman to come into my house" but what's great about that is Byrne was able to just stay home and raise the kids. So Holloway was still able to go out and have a career. Yeah She still went out and had a career And so that's where it's I have a hard time saying definitively black and white Marston was a feminist as we would call him now. Probably not. But he definitely had the leanings of that. And he definitely was far advanced for his time Mike: sure I can only imagine. Was he still teaching during this time or was he doing something else? Jessika: He did so many things. He did so many things and I'll actually get into that a little bit further. But it was such a it did seem like a good situation for everyone. Marston had multiple professional interests And Marston believed not only in equality for women, but even further he believed that society should be matriarchal... which is where he goes a little bit more like a Ooh he just kind of swings off you know Cause he's like, "no no no no we should go in the exact 180. There's no middle ground here Women should rule society." Sure right now we live with men. Let's flip it over on its head and see how it goes I guess? But would settle for equality. Mike: Speaking as a mediocre white dude I'm totally fine with this plan. Jessika: Great Let's put it into effect. Who could I call? Papa Joe? I'll bring Mike: it up at the next meeting at the next mediocre white dude club meeting Jessika: I knew you guys had meetings. The gays definitely have meetings Well yeah You know you know you know I'm like well like I'm excluding you from the LGBT community That's rude of me and my Mike: apologies. The rest of them already do already. It's fine. Jessika: To Touché. We did have that conversation earlier. Biphobia. It's a real problem Mike: Yeah It's fun. Jessika: Yeah we were talking about Marston and his wild matriarchal ideas. And his idea was that women were more thoughtful empathetic and level headed when making decisions and would be better suited to positions of leadership. And Marston is quoted as saying -and if you want us to read this quote for me: Mike: okay! " Frankly Wonder Woman is a psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world." Jessika: So you can kind of see where he was going with that. Obviously she's powerful, she's more powerful than most of the men that she comes across. And he really was trying to flip that on its head with this character. Mike: Yeah. There was nothing like her before that Jessika: No. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. However Marston's entry into the entertainment business didn't start with feminine power of Wonder Woman but instead with the film industry and again this is early film we're talking. He was in the silent film era and then moved talkies. Mike: Golden Age. Jessika: The Golden Age. And there he wrote screenplays and later acted as the consulting psychologist for universal pictures which I didn't even know That was a thing Having a consulting psychologist makes a lot of sense Mike: Yeah it does I just had no idea that was even a role that existed back then. Jessika: Yeah I know. And back then even I know. And at this point he'd already been published, having written dozens of magazine articles and a novel about his opinions Let's just call them or his findings about psychology at the time. And it is called a novel So just keep that in mind. It's called "Emotions of People" I believe. And they do mention it briefly in the film I didn't read it. I'm sure I could jump around and do I just didn't want to get into 1920s garbage which to He was then asked in 1941 to be the consulting psychologist for DC by Maxwell Charles Gaines who was more or less the creator of comics as we know them. At the time Gaines was under fire for content that folks deemed at the time to be risque. So he hired Marston to take off some of the heat by approving the content that was going out. With Marston on the team the largest complaints that they received was the aggressive masculinity that seemed to be the theme of all of the comic books. Yeah I know. You would think that we live in this society that values men so much you would think that we'd be able to just carry on with that you one form. Mike: Yeah Especially during that era which was right when we were getting into World War II and we were going hard for those traditional masculine values Jessika: Yup we want strong men who can go out there and die, I mean fight, for us. Yes. Marston suggested that the best way to counter that idea with the critics was to create a female superhero. Now Gaines accepted the idea but told Marston he had to write the strip himself. So he did. And with the help of illustrator Harry G Peter, Wonder Woman was in essence born. She was fierce, she was strong, she had a lasso that was that made others obey. It wasn't a truth thing that we now know it as the lasso of truth It was an obedient situation. Everybody who was lassoed had to obey her. So it was more of a dominance situation, which we will absolutely get to. And it makes a little bit more sense. Although there again with his lie detector the truth also makes sense. Either way, it tracks but it was obedience. Mike: Yeah you don't say. Jessika: One of her most important qualities was that she didn't kill. That was her empathy. That was that piece of her that was more feminine than some of those other comic book characters, those typical comic book characters Mike: Yeah. Even in the early days I know Batman killed people originally. He was like a goon and I think Superman did too in his early run. I think, can't remember for sure. Jessika: I believe so And then they when they got the comics code? When it was stricter with the comics code that's when they kind of moved into less actual killing from what I was reading I believe. Mike: You know I don't know for certain but it may have been before that because they were just they're such popular characters for kids. But I'm not entirely certain but I know that the early appearances are pretty brutal. I remember Batman hanging a dude from his plane. Jessika: Well I mean Superman came out in 1939 so yeah it's early. I'm going to send you a picture Mike: Okay. Jessika: And so this is the first introduction to Wonder Woman which was seen on the cover of sensation comics Will you please describe the cover? Mike: Yeah .So it is Sensation Comics Number One, the best of the DC magazines. You see Wonder Woman I'm not sure if the sun is really enlarged or if she is just jumping in front of something that's yellow to kind of add a little color to it but she is being shot at by a bunch of what appear to be mobsters somewhere in Washington DC because the capital is there and... is that is that the Lincoln Memorial? I can't tell what other building is that has the flag. Jessika: Apparently they're right across the street from each other. Not real life. This is scale. Mike: It looks like a vaguely government building I can't tell. Jessika: Yeah supposed to be something like that Mike: But it says "featuring the sensational new adventure strip character Wonder Woman!" You got to get that exclamation point in. She's kind of jacked like even back then which I kind of love. She is wearing a truly unflattering pair of boots that are only going up to mid calf as opposed to what we know now where they're just above the knee and armored and bad-ass. But it's the outfit that actually she's still sort of rocking the day where she's got the kind of red bustier with the gold eagle on it and then she's got the bulletproof bracelets and then she's got what I can only describe it as the bottom part of a sun dress kind of skirt where it's like very flowy? As opposed to that that gladiatorial skirt that she has now. But it's very identifiably Wonder Woman. Jessika: Yeah. And it goes back and forth between this was her first debut but it wasn't her first issue. first issue she was wearing more of what people were calling underpants of this same pattern. And that's what more used to. Yeah We're used to those like little booty shorts that she's rocking. So, right off the bat: Mike if you were a critic, in 1942 what would your main complaint about this be? Just based on the cover? Mike: I don't know. They were really concerned about the violence that was being marketed towards kids so probably the gunfire. Probably the fact that she was showing too much skin. Jessika: it. She wasn't clothed enough .Oh, they didn't care about the gunfire. That was not what was that was not the problem. Gasp. The drama was that Wonder Woman was wearing far too few clothes for Puritan America. Mike: Jesus Christ. And that's actually super tame Jessika: It's really tame. When you think about other superheroes that we have nowadays especially: You've got these massive boobs that are up to her neck and this little waist and like wearing a thong. But this is so covered Mike: Yeah. A lot of modern comics have these very almost suggestive poses. Do you remember when the Avengers came out and and all of the dudes had very action-oriented poses and then Black Widow was turned so that we could see her butt? She had Jessika: her like her arm up so that you could see her boob line. Mike: Yeah. And it's a really action oriented pose and it's very matter of fact there is nothing sexualized about that, kinda love. Jessika: Marston made it a point for her to be doing action and for her to be doing sports and for her to be doing things that were very active because women weren't given that as a role. So he really wanted to present that as another facet of, "Hey, this can also be feminine. Yeah I thought so, too. And while a slight costume adjustment seemed easy enough to deal with some critics also had qualms with other aspects of the comic. Namely, the depiction of women especially our heroine being tied or chained up or left in other positions of containment. Now, Marston's intention behind this seemed to be twofold in my opinion. Part one feminism and part two I also think he was just in kinky motherfucker. Which is great. Like, that's fine no kink shame. But we're going to briefly discuss both. So part one feminism. Marston was a supporter of women's rights, as we said. He was a supporter of the right to vote and the ability to have access to contraceptives. He'd been a supporter of these movements in his own right and was particularly struck by the female suffragettes who would chain themselves to a location in protest. Chains seem to him to be the very image brought to life of how society chains down and stifles women from succeeding. Either chaining them to their family before they're wed, chaining them to their new husband, or chaining them to pregnancies that they either cannot afford or don't want. In each of these portrayals of Wonder Woman being tied down there is always the moment that she's able to break free from her restraints in triumph which is just a perfect metaphor for the modern woman being able to break free from the societal chains that still bind her. And this hope that women will be able to eventually free themselves for good. In everything I've read, you had women suffragettes chaining themselves to places in protest. Same thing with the contraceptive movement. That was a huge metaphor for both of those movements, so it would make sense that if you are portraying a feminist during that era that that might be a theme. And I think people who maybe didn't support or were unfamiliar with the movements might have something to say negatively against the imagery, especially if they didn't understand Mike: We had a lot of people back then who were really pushing for propriety and basically you can't let immoral elements affect the children. They always fucking latch on to like "think of the children. Protect the children." Fuck off. Jessika: We still do that shit. This is just like pizza gate all over again. Mike: Yeah Jessika: Pizza gate before pizza gate. Little did they know. But part two: the kink factor. Marston had a whole dominance theory that I think tells a lot more about him than it does to the human experience In general I'm not going to get deep into the theory because we both have lives but it pertains to dominance and submission at the very minimum. Mike: You don't say. Jessika: Yo I know right. Mike: What. Shock. Jessika: At this point it's pretty well established that individuals have different drives and things that excite them. But I think that Marston was looking at the world from a place of, oh I like this So everybody is like this." Which just isn't the case for everybody. Mike: Right. But that's also like a very stereotypical kind of dude attitude. Jessika: Yeah. This is my worldview and so it must be everybody's. Absolutely. Again, he's some Harvard bro. Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Jessika: You're able to just go to Harvard in 1925 like Mike: NBD. I'm Jessika: gonna Mike: to be living near there soon. Oh God. I'm going to Jessika: be visiting you soon. I've got the people there. You're fine. We'll get you there. We'll get you there. But my impression is that he assumed that everyone else was a little kinky like him. Also it needs to be stated that again in interviewing Marson's children they never saw toys, ropes, anything that he had mentioned in the comics or that were the things that were being taken as this great offense, they didn't see any of those things. So it was this was also a complete surprise to them nothing related to bondage. Mike: Yeah that's wild man. I just I think about the fact that my partner has stories about how when everyone was out of the house she would just snoop around when she was growing up. And I remember doing that too And kids get into shit. Jessika: We also grew up in the age in the era of the latchkey child, though. My parents would just and not for long periods of time it's not like they would go out of town or something. But they'd leave us and say "don't answer the door. You're not home. Don't answer the phone. We'll call and ring twice and then hang up and then call back If we want to talk to you know whatever there was a code. But there again we lived in a different time even this many years I mean it just we sound like old people every time we have this conversation. Mike: You know someone pointed out that if Back To The Future was taking place today Marty McFly would be going back to like 91. Jessika: Don't do this to me. Mike: We're old, Jess. Jessika: We're Mike: practically Jessika: this Okay Mike. This is going to seem like such a non-sequitur But have you ever had to do a DISC personality assessment for any of your offices jobs? Mike: I don't think so. The name isn't familiar but describe this to me. Jessika: Basically it's like any of those other stupid employee personality tests where they try to like "what part of the team are you? How can we use your strengths?" I'm a supervisor so I've had to go through all this crap. And it's cool. It's a cool concept but it's also like mind numbing if it's not your wheelhouse. Mike: No. So I've never taken anything like this no. Jessika: Okay So yeah you basically answered a bunch of questions about what you would do in a situation. And it's kind of one of those no wrong answers kind of tests. And then they put you into one of four different categories. So I have had to do this before and and other ones like it but I honestly can't remember what I scored and I'm not going to get into a long-winded lecture on the topic either but suffice it to say that part of that is dominance That's the D and part of it is compliance which is the C. Mike: So was this something Marston came up with? Jessika: Yeah. Marston came up with and it's we still use version of this today which is so interesting. So far he's got lie detector, check. We still kind of use it today. Steve Wilkos does. And then now he's got the DISC which I definitely have taken. Now, it doesn't look the same. The categories are not the same as when he first created them. So less kink forward I would say. But you still have those two that are vibing you know. And for those of you are you unfamiliar with the kink scene: Power dynamics in play can sometimes come in the form of having one dominant and one submissive partner. But again not everybody functions in that way. Ultimately, wonder Woman was allowed to continue as she was. Delighting readers even to this day though of course the writing has changed hands multiple times meaning that her true meaning was sometimes lost to those who were in charge of telling her story. For example once Wonder Woman entered the Justice League she was immediately made to be the secretary. And there were many times that she was relegated to staying behind because she just had so much to take care of and "oh little old me couldn't get involved in having lifting" bullshit. God damn. She's so fucking strong. She has powers and Batman doesn't. Why the fuck does he get to go on missions? Why the fuck Isn't Batman the secretary? That's my question. Oh he has money my own his Mike: power that he's rich. Jessika: God damn. Yeah. Thanks for that Ben Affleck. We know. Still like him as Batman. Mike: Yeah. I'll die on that hill he was good. Jessika: Yeah Yeah He was good There was also a point where she lost her powers completely though did gain them back, those were times that Wonder Woman didn't necessarily feel like the fierce warrior she truly is. Mike: Yeah, actually, Brian's comics -our local comic shop- the first time I went in there they had the all-new Wonder Woman issue where it's like this iconic cover where it's her tearing up I think the original version of her and it's like get ready for the all new Wonder Woman I think that's when they de-powered her. I think. I'm not certain I'm really bummed that I didn't pick that up when it was there. Jessika: The idea behind that apparently was supposed to be that would make her more human and relatable but that's not you're just taking away the things that make her a stronger character for people that look up to her. Mike: Yeah I'm sorry. Did you were you able to hear my eyes rolling out of their Jessika: I did actually Yeah no that was a really palpable eye-roll. well Marston passed away at the age of 53 of cancer So very young like you were saying. Yeah. Holloway and Byrne continue living together until they both went into the hospital around the same time in 1990. When Byrne passed away, in a different room in the same hospital at the age of 86. Mike: I Jessika: got teary writing this so I'm probably going to get teary reading it. Upon hearing the news of burns passing Holloway sang a poem by Tennyson in her hospital room. So everything I've read alludes to the idea that Holloway and Byrne were also in a relationship with each other not just the man with all of them that they did have there were women who were kind of rotating in the house. It wasn't just these two there were other women who at different periods of time lived in the house undetected by the way can we just give it up for the Marston Family. Mike: Like. How? Jessika: That's what I'm saying. I don't know, money? And the dude had his little hands in everything so he probably just knew a bunch of people I don't know How do you get away with things as a guy I literally can't even imagine. Mike: This is my friend who's coming over to assist with this thing? The question is were they just coming into visit or were they living there for periods of Jessika: time? They were living there for a parts. Yes I know me too. I know. Okay let's run through: You have a widowed relative. You could be bringing in a nanny. You could be bringing in another person who works in the house et cetera et cetera. You could be bringing in a cousin or another type of relative. I'm sure you could excuse up the yin yang. Mike: Yeah I mean you can come up with excuses but if they're like living with you for any amount of time there are those moments of small intimacies that other people will pick up on. I don't know I mean were the kids just dumb? I don't know like how that requires some serious commitment to acting I feel. Jessika: Yeah. Oh yeah. Mike: So much fucking effort. Jessika: I was just going to say that. Can you imagine? I can't. Mike: No. Jessika: The mental strain alone. Mike: Like I have one partner, I have step-kids, and I have pets and that's like that's kind of the extent of my bandwidth. Jessika: Oh okay So I am non-monogamous or Poly, polyamorous. So I do have multiple partners although I they're what I would consider like secondary partners or partners that I don't I don't live with them, I don't necessarily see them on a super regular basis but I still maintain a relationship with them. And I still consider them partners. To whatever you know effect that is. But it is a lot of work and it's so much communication and you can just tell that Marston had to have been really communicative and that whole family had to have been really communicative. Mike: They must have been. Jessika: Or else how. Mike: At the same time like that era men weren't necessarily expected to be super communicative or show a lot of emotion or be the one to provide nurturing experiences with the kids. So maybe they just didn't get a lot of exposure to the kids and were really just exposed to their mothers and the motherly figures. I mean, this is all completely uninformed speculation so don't take anything that I'm saying with even a grain of salt like this. Jessika: Oh no. Absolutely at any rate Holloway passed away in 1993 at the ripe age of 100. Mike: Oh wow. So there was a little bit Jessika: of an age difference. Around Yeah there was there was yeah. Sounds like about a little bit less than 20 years. About 14 years. But if you think about it she was in college. Mike: Yeah. Jessika: He was her teacher and they were already married. He went to I want to say that he started college like prior to 1910. And they met and she moved into the house in 1925. So that's a good 15. Mike: He would have been about he would have been about 17 and 1910 right? Based on it like he was 1893 he said? Jessika: Yes yes. Yeah. And it sounds like Holloway was born the same year. Mike: Yeah and I got to say the love story between Holloway and Byrne sounds like something straight out of a movie. Which we're about to get into. But we all want to have that partner who is with us till the bitter end and then they sing a poem in our memory. Like goddamn. Jessika: It's just so beautiful. Yeah. They had it when they live together in the house, they had adjoining rooms and this is where it's like how did your kids not know because Marston would sleep in both. How did he like literally how did they not know? No it's wild to me. And then when they were older, byrne and Holloway lived in a little two bedroom place in Tampa together. This cute place apparently. So let's talk about our reactions here. We did also watch Professor Marston and the Wonder Women which I think it's worth a watch in my just off the bat. Mike: Yeah. I really liked it a lot and it was a movie that totally flew under the radar for me when it came out. I was vaguely aware of it but I really did not know much about it before we talked about what movies we wanted to do and March being women's month it seemed like a natural conclusion after the DCEU. Jessika: Yeah. Absolutely. That train wreck. I'm sorry. Mike: I was Jessika: of We did. We did enjoy one of the movies and we enjoyed aspects of of them. I trailed off my brain wouldn't let me do it It's like no that sentence Mike: I mean we kind of enjoyed parts of the Snyder cut Jessika: We did We liked it better Mike: than I don't like we're still Jessika: bitching about the Snyder Cut Mike: Look at Jessika: this Mike: back Jessika: Goddammit. We've literally can't get away from it Zach Snyder, hit us up.. No don't. You're not going to like what you hear I'm going to get to eat It adds Zach Snyder is going to be like Mike: I want the Snyder cut of Professor Marston in the Women which will be just scenes of Luke Evans with the Women in the background and don't do anything else. Jessika: And there's no dialogue in this one at all. It's just it's just heavy looks. Mike: It's just all the scenes from that sorority scene just over and just dark, scenes. Jessika: Definitely talk about that. Oh. What did you think about the film overall. Mike: Like I said, I overall really enjoyed it. I had heard about this movie a little bit. I remember my weightlifting partner at the time was telling me about how she and her wife had gone and enjoyed it and she thought that I would really like it. And I was like, "yeah okay cool." And then it just I didn't get around to seeing it while it was out in it's very limited run in theaters. And then I don't think it ever came to any streaming platform when I was aware of it. I was really surprised by actually how much I did enjoy it. I thought it was a shockingly sweet love story and I was expecting something much more judgmental or scandalous I was really expecting a much more judgy story about the Marstons and Byrne raising an entire family as a throuple. Jessika: was too. Mike: I was wondering if the relationship was ever outed and if they ever did break up like they did in the movie because that felt kind of forced and it felt very Hollywood and I was like "all right, whatever. This is dumb." At the end where they're on their knees submitting to Byrne." Jessika: Spot on That was made up There was none of that. Mike: I still think the most offensive thing about that movie was that they tried to make me think that someone who looked like Luke Evans was responsible for Wonder Woman's creation. I love Luke Evans I think he's really a fun actor and I was really glad to see him in a real role as opposed to I saw Dracula untold in theaters. I saw I'm Oh man I I didn't see Beauty and The Beast in theaters but I've since seen it. He's one of those actors where I feel like he just needs to be given good roles. He's like Kiana Reeves where I feel like he's often typecast and just thrust into stuff that aren't really any good but he was really good in this. That said: I've seen that man shirtless so many times and I don't know a single comic creator with abs like that. On the flip side, I went into this trying to keep myself as unaware a lot of the history of Marston but I do know what he looked like in his forties and that was like a dude in his seventies. Jessika: Did you watch all at the end of the film they had all the pictures. Yeah And you're just like, "oh. Oh." Like because Byrne and Holloway also not looking like who they cast. Not even a little bit, not even at all. Mike: Okay this is mean. But I'm like yes you look like the type of people who would be in a throuple. Jessika: No. Okay, fair enough And especially here's you know what it reminded me of it reminded me of those pictures that I used to see from that era where the Women especially with those two they looked like the type who would dress up as men and go to the clubs. Mike: Absolutely Jessika: I get that. It's just a vibe I get and maybe it's just my gaydar Like my pansexual gaydar is Mike: going But I mean that's the ongoing lie that Hollywood loves to tell us is that truly sexy people are in throuples all the time. No they're fucking not. I'm bI And I was dating here in the Bay area and I would occasionally get hit on by people looking for a third and they never looked like that. Jessika: And in my experience and opinion if you go at it with the wrong attitude you're not necessarily going to get what you want out of it. And it's not going to be a genuine feeling relationship. Mike: Which I mean like that's relationships in general. Like Yeah I feel like a huge thing of any successful relationship is communications. Stay tuned listeners for our next podcast about relationships and relationship advice And I don't know I don't know where I was going with that. Jessika: Oh I was like we have a new podcast. We're four episodes into this podcast and Mike's like folks we have a new podcast. You know what I like I like your gusto. I like a motivated you Mike: I did have two quibbles about the movie. Getting back on topic. First we earlier mentioned there was no acknowledgement about the problematic nature of how Marston and Byrne's relationship began. Where he was her professor and she was his student. The movie was very fuzzy with time it was very fluid that way. So it wasn't really explained if she was still his student when the relationship began or if she was his research assistant but there was that power imbalance and their dynamic and that was deeply uncomfortable for me because it wasn't addressed. They just kinda hand waved it away. Fine. Whatever. For the movie, fine. Jessika: same way about that. Yeah It just it's gross and to your point there is a power dynamic that I was thinking about. If you are trying to please somebody who has some sort of control over you, whatever that looks like, if it's somebody who has your grades or your future career or your education or even your job... you know this could be at a job setting. If that person has power over you you're less inclined to say "no" to them. And that automatically puts you at a disadvantage. Mike: It was something that I noticed and I was a little frustrated that it wasn't addressed better. The second was that it didn't feel like we actually got enough time with Wonder Woman. The comics and the character felt more like a framing device but a framing device that we didn't really get a lot of payoff on, considering the title of the movie. I thought the scenes where he was actually in the comic office and there was a bit where they're like "Oh well, they're upset about the bondage. And they're like I feel like there's twice as much. And then he just is like I put in three times as much and he keeps walking. And and Oliver Platt was so great and I wanted more of him. For a movie that has Wonder Woman or Wonder Women in the title I just I wanted a little bit more time and acknowledgement. It felt like much more attention was paid just to their relationship with like the first two thirds of the movie. And then he goes with hat in hand to Oliver Platt's character at... was it all-star Comics? Was Jessika: that it? Mike: Yeah. I mix up all the publishers because they've all merged and come together at various. So yeah he It just it it was And especially cause you were like no he got hired to like do this to get them out of hot water now I'm like that makes much more sense. Jessika: Yeah He Mike: Considering the importance that we're led to believe that Wonder Woman will be to his story, I mean she's there. Like they do a number of things where they keep teasing us with Wonder Woman but we never really get that payoff. What about you like Jessika: I did my research on the topic prior to watching the film. So this will be mostly on what the film did or didn't do correctly kind of history with my own opinion of course sprinkled in as you'd expect from So to your point most of the drama seems to have been fabricated There's no indication that any issues with Radcliffe, like trying to boot him for indecency or with the neighbors regarding their relationship, and again even their children didn't know until after Marston's passing about their relationship. And I didn't read anything about them having split up at any point. And again I think that was just added for a forceful Hollywood dramatics play, since we're on the topic of dominance. And there again Marston was already working for Gaines when he created the idea of Wonder Woman and it was in direct relation to the voice of the critics. So he was answering the critics here. So it didn't necessarily seem like as big of a you did this thing and now we're going to make you pay. It was like well okay Right. The sections with Connie Britton -love her by the way, want more in my life just in general- and their back and forth minus all the people drama was actually pretty accurate as far as capturing the concerns of the day and what was being argued in the lobby against Wonder Woman. And then also pretty accurate in what his counterpoints were in relation to the to the comic itself. Mike: Yeah And I thought that was a smart choice to kind of make her the voice of the critics. Jessika: Yeah. That being said his relationship didn't come up at any point in this again because nobody knew about it until after the fact. So it's not like she would have been like what about those things you were indecent. Well, no that that didn't happen. That was all for dramatics. Overall I really liked it. So, again, me as a pansexual: love a good queer film and also being polyamorous or non-monogamous it was so nice seeing that to your point represented so positively, and without judgment. That was so surprising to me I really thought that there was going to be some sort of aspect from the point of view of the viewer to not want them to succeed. But the whole time you really do you're rooting for them. Mike: If you're a fan of history in comic books I think this is a great movie to go check out. My final thought is that reminded me a lot of Kinsey. Did you ever see that? It had Liam Neeson and Laura Linney in it and it's all about Kinsey, the guy created the Kinsey scale of sexuality. Jessika: Oh okay I'll have to check it out Mike: It's great. This kind of reminded me the same way where it's mostly true. It's not quite all there because they have to tszuj it up for the audiences. Jessika: Yeah, yeah. Well, let's move on to our other film that we watched which was Wonder Woman from 2009. And that was the animated origin story of Wonder Woman Do you want to give an overview of the film for us? Mike: Yeah, sure. This is one of the original DC Universe Animated Original Movies which were at the time this came out in 2009 they were still in their infancy. They'd only done three before. This one is loosely based on George Perez's acclaimed 1980s storyline called "Gods and Monsters" and it's written by Gail Simone and Michael Jelenic. Gail Simone has gotten her own amount of acclaim for writing Wonder Woman as well. The film introduces us to the Amazons who win a war against Ares and then they're granted the Island of Themiscyra and immortality in exchange for acting as Ares' jailer by the gods. Diana is later sculpted from clay and given life by the gods. This is kind of in direct opposition to the current mythos of Zeus being her deadbeat dad and then Diana lives on the Island for thousands of years until pretty much the modern day when two key events happen. Steve Trevor crashes on the Island by happenstance and then Ares stages of jailbreak. And Diana has to take Steve back to the United States and he helps her and request to stop the god of war. Jessika: And actually pretty similar to where they tried to go with the original Wonder Woman. So this was absolutely not a cartoon for children. Mike: Nooooo. Jessika: blood spattered backgrounds, fairly graphic death scenes, and three beheadings three beheadings. We're talking the head flying off and falling dramatically at someone's feet kind of beheading. And that being said I didn't particularly mind the violent nature of the animation as a movie for adults as I feel that it was done in a way that felt true to the battle and the struggle of what was happening in the storyline and it didn't feel overly gross in its depictions or its animations like just enough to give the definite impression that violence was occurring. That makes sense Ares is a super violent guy and he affects everyone around him into violence themself so that it did make sense in that way. So things I liked is that it it seemed to me like a fairly good representation of Wonder Woman's origin story as it was originally told by Marston based on what I was reading. Mike: Yeah it it felt like a very classic take on Wonder Woman's origin. And it was very familiar to someone who grew up nominally aware of her origins and reading her mini comics with her action figure and stuff like that. Jessika: One main difference was that the movie was set in seemingly present day America. Since at one point Wonder Woman ends up fighting in a mall, the fighter planes that Steve and company were flying looked modern for 2009. Marston's Wonder Woman was originally set in World War Two of course whereas the 2018 live action film with Gal Gadot was set in World War One. So we've just jumped around. Again DC is definitely not consistent. Mike: It's comic books. And DC's own in- comics timeline has been drastically reworked several times just in our lifetime. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. And this time period change it definitely affects the vibe and political climate of American society at that time in the cartoon we're not presented with a particular war or a reason for fighting we're evidently just supposed to understand that the world of men is in constant battle every moment. Whereas in the original comic and Wonder Woman film Both took place during large global wars where it wouldn't be a far leap to present the god of war as the cause of those events. Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Jessika: Now things I didn't like cause apparently I veered into not liking and then we're continuing down that road. For someone that wasn't raised in a patriarchal society, Diana's internalized misogyny is staggering. At one point she says to Steve, "you're starting to sound like a woman" when he's discussing having feelings for her and later says to Ares, "how can you expect to beat Zeus If you can't even beat a girl." The fuck that? Mike: Which kind of goes against everything else that she does in the movie. Jessika: Yeah it directly against it. Yeah, so that was irritating. And then not only that, the president, because apparently they're in Washington DC, the president is told that they were saved by a group of armored supermodels. Which I had to rewind it and write that line down grossed. Out It's such a condescending and reductive statement to make about individuals that just saved your lives while you apparently slept through the whole situation, Mr President. And it drives home the point that even in heroism, women's worth is still viewed only in her attractiveness. Mike: Yeah there was a lot of that. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. They also have Diana do quite a bit of killing with absolutely no thought whatsoever which is not in the original character at all. That doesn't feel very Diana. Mike: I mean, no. But at the same time I don't particularly have a problem with it but yeah Jessika: Yeah. So that was me. What about you? Were you at with that? Mike: I think I had a slightly more positive take on the movie. I mean it sounds like you still enjoyed it, right? Jessika: Oh, I liked it. I still liked it. Yeah. Mike: Part of it is just I viewed it at the time when it first came out and this was one of the first animated original movies. And it was the first one that I remember enjoying. So I think that it's definitely tinted my perspective a little bit. Jessika: You had a nostalgia factor that I didn't I hadn't seen it prior. Mike: I remember seeing the reviews for it and I was like, "Oh this looks really cool. The others that were released before that they were all, well two of the three were just straight adaptations of other you know quote unquote iconic stories So there is Superman: Doomsday which was the death and life of Superman and I did not give a shit about that movie. It was really I felt flat. Then there was Justice League: The New Frontier which is based on a really acclaimed mini series. And then there was Batman Gotham Knight which was -if I remember right- it was several different animated shorts and different animated styles. And none of them really did it for me. But the DC Animated Universe, which was helmed by Bruce Timm, so that's like the original Batman animated series from the nineties as well as the Superman series and then Justice League and then Batman Beyond or vice versa and then Justice League Unlimited, those were all incredible. And I knew that eventually we would get to the same point with the animated movies and Wonder Woman felt like that home run that I knew they'd eventually hit. So I really enjoyed the film overall and even watching it yesterday afternoon I had a blast, you know, even a decade later. I think its strongest element is that the movie clearly has zero fucks to give. That battle between the Amazons and Ares is incredibly violent and it's obvious from the first 30 seconds in that this is going to be a RIDE. And it doesn't shy away from some really tough narrative elements like where Hippolyta actually in that battle It's revealed that she kills Thrax, the son of Ares. Thrax is her child who is very heavily implied the product of rape by Jessika: Ares. Mike: Also the vocal cast is just incredible. This was 2009 Keri Russell, Nathan Fillion, Virginia Madsen, Rosario Dawson, Alfred Molina, and then Oliver Platt. They were really well-regarded actors at the time and they're still pretty big and side note Oliver Platt was in both of the movies that we watched for this Jessika: episode. I literally thought of that when you said that. Mike: he fucking steals every scene he's in. He was just this delightful villainous Hades and he's kinda gross but he's also just wonderfully sinister. I really dug that and I also really dug how it felt like a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin while still feeling fresh and fast. Like this movie is not long. That kind of leads into something that I didn't like was that It's a very short movie. It's barely over an hour long. I feel like we needed a director's cut or something because of the lines could have been fleshed out a little bit more like this is something Look Jessika: who wants director's cut now. Mike: Release the Simone cut or something, I don't know. I feel like there were a couple of sub plot lines that were kind of just glossed over. Like I mentioned Thrax is actually Diana's half-brother. I feel like maybe there might've been something more there. Maybe there wasn't, who knows. But it just it felt like something that I would have liked a little more room to breathe. And that's said, it was pretty solid. That said there were some problematic elements. Like Steve was so gross and so cringy Jessika: He kept calling her Angel and I just wanted to punch him in the jaw. Mike: Which, I mean, so that's like a thing from the comics and his other earlier incarnations but this time around it just felt gross. It felt like "babe" and you know blech. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. He just he rolled in and was like "Oh naked ladies I'm in right place for me." Mike: And the problem is that Nathan Fillion was just too good at making him a sleazebag. Jessika: Which, love Nathan Fillion. Mike: I do too. Like, okay dude, we get it. He's kind of a gross misogynist. We don't need him to hit on Diana for the fifth time in as many minutes. Etta Candy viewing Diana as competition was also dumb. Candy's always been one of her best friends and I still think that her incarnation in the original movie was pitch perfect. And then her being this skinny little supermodel who's trying to flirt with Steve was dumb. You mentioned the other problematic misogynistic elements that I noted. the only other thing, and this wasn't an actual problem, was that I didn't realize how much better Wonder woman's costume is these days rather than the super swimsuit that we had for so long. It's funny because growing up with it, I never thought about it. And then really only in the last five years or so we've gotten a much more a
This week we're traveling back to the 1920s up through the 1950s with an NSFW episode on Professor Marston on the Wonder Women! Join us to learn about the love story between Elizabeth Marston, William Marston, and Olive Byrne, corset fetish photography, comic books, and more! Sources: Charles Guyette: Tony Mitchell, "Review of Charles Guyette: Godfather of American Fetish Art," The Fetishistas, available at https://thefetishistas.com/charles-guyette-unsung-fetish-hero/ Charles Guyette, FetHistory. Available at https://fethistory.blogspot.com/2017/09/charles-guyette-in-robert-harrison_3.html Linda Williams, Porn Studies. Duke University Press, 2004. Free Love: "Victoria Woodhull, And The Truth Shall Make You Free: A Speech On The Principles Of Social Freedom. 1871. Available at http://gos.sbc.edu/w/woodhull.html" Emma Goldman, Marriage and Love. Available at http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20715/20715-h/20715-h.htm Wendy Hayden, "(R)Evolutionary Rhetorics: Science and Sexuality in Nineteenth Century Free Love Discourse," Rhetoric Review 29, 2 (2010) Christina Simmons, "Women's Power in Sex Radical Challenges to Marriage in the Early Twentieth Century United States," Feminist Studies 29, 1 (2003) Mytheli Srinivas, "Birth Control in the Shadow of Empire: The Trials of Annie Besant, 1877-1878," Feminist Studies 21, 3 (2015) Leigh Ann Wheeler, "Where Else But Greenwich Village? Love, Lust, and the Emergence of the American Civil Liberties Union's Sexual Rights Agenda, 1920-1931," Journal of the History of Sexuality 21, 1 (2012) Penis Envy: Freud, "Three Contributions to the Theory of Sexuality," Full Text available at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Three_Contributions_to_the_Theory_of_Sex MC Gaines: William Moulton Marston, "Why 100,000,000 Americans Read Comics," The American Scholar 13:1 (Winter 1943-44): 35-44. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41204638 W.W. D. Sones, "The Comics and Instructional Method," The Journal of Educational Sociology 18:4 (December 1944): 232-40. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2262696 M.C. Gaines, "Narrative Illustration: The Story of Comics," in Comic Art in Museums ed. Kim A. Munson (University of Mississippi Press, 2020) 88-97. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv128fpwk.12 Shawna Kidman, Comic Books Incorporated: How the Business of Comics Became the Business of Hollywood (University of California Press, 2019), 18-45. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvfxvb4q.6 Noah Berlatsky, Wonder Woman: Bondage and Feminism in the Marston/Peter Comics, 1941-1948 (Rutgers University Press, 2015). https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1qft01w.5 Noah Berlatsky, "Not the Secret History of Wonder Woman," The Hooded Utilitarian (17 November 2014). https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2014/11/not-the-secret-history-of-wonder-woman/ Alex Buchet, "Prehistory of the Superhero (Part Seven): Reign of the Superman," The Hooded Utilitarian (5 November 2013). https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/11/prehistory-of-the-superhero-part-seven-reign-of-the-superman/ Carol L. Tilley, ""Superman Says, 'Read!'" National Comics and Reading Promotion," Children's Literature in Education 44 (2013): 251-263. https://rdcu.be/ce2wF Louis Menand, "The Horror: Books" The New Yorker 84:7 (31 March 2008): 124. Film Background: Mark Jenkins, "'Professor Marston And The Wonder Women' Is Strangely Subdued," NPR (12 October 2017). https://www.npr.org/2017/10/12/555647901/-professor-marston-and-the-wonder-women-is-strangely-subdued Christie Marston, "What 'Professor Marston Misses About Wonder Woman's Origins" The Hollywood Reporter (20 October 2017). https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/what-professor-marston-misses-wonder-womans-origins-guest-column-1049868 Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Marston_and_the_Wonder_Women Heather Hogan “Professor Marston and the Wonder Women” Gives Us Comics History, Kink and a Queer Poly Marriage" Autostraddle (13 October 2017). https://www.autostraddle.com/professor-marston-and-the-wonder-women-gives-us-comics-history-kink-and-a-queer-poly-marriage-397758/ Rotten Tomatoes https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/professor_marston_and_the_wonder_women BUILD Series https://youtu.be/pB-ZZWvvlcE Angelique Jackson, "Netflix in Talks to Acquire Rebecca Hall's 'Passing' in Near $16 Million Deal," Variety (3 February 2021). https://variety.com/2021/film/news/netflix-passing-acquisition-deal-rebecca-hall-tessa-thompson-ruth-negga-1234899976/ Early Relationship: Jill Lepore, The Secret History of Wonder Woman (Knopf, 2014). "Wonder Woman (LAW 1918) BU alum said to be model for first female superhero," Bostonia. http://www.bu.edu/articles/2017/law-alumni-dc-comics-wonder-woman/
Topic: Wonder Woman Tutorial In route to discussing Wonder Woman 1984, we need to do a Tutorial on Wonder Woman herself. And her creation is amazing! I was surprised by it and so was Mom. You have to listen just to find that part out. Creator: Created in 1941 by William Moulton Marston, pen name: Charles Moulton. Marston was a unique individual, a Harvard PhD psychologist who also helped created the lie detector. He believed that Comics had ‘great educational potential’, and was hired by All-American Publications as an educational consultant. The Publication would late merge with another company creating DC Comics. He lived with his wife Elizabeth Marston and also Ms. Olive Byrne, of which they had a consenting polyamorous life together. Marston’s research and stuff focused heavily on gender, with him at one point studying all Female communities, ie observing the rituals and behaviors of Sororities. It led him to believe that women were the superior gender, but was only being held back from power due to the difficulties of giving birth and raising children, but also housework. He eventually theorized that eventually both child rearing and housework would get easier, allowing women to get educated, gain power, and take their rightful spots as leaders of the world. When he set out to make Wonder Woman, he did so consciously, deciding to create a female super hero in a male dominated landscape. Marston would later write: "Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman. Wonder Woman is also loosely based off Elizabeth and Olive, with Elizabeth inspiring her attitude, and Olive inspiring her appearance. Apparently Wonder Woman’s bracelets was inspired because Olive liked to wear big bracelets. Comic History: Since staring All Star Comic #8 in 1941, Wonder Woman has had her own on going Comic Book ever since then. Marston would initially write for the series, with H.G. Peter doing the artwork until his death in 1947 at the age of 54. Later writers would pick up the character and run with it. Early stories focused on feminist agenda, and for the times, push a radical, progressive women’s agenda. After Marston’s Death, new writers toned down some of the Wonder Woman elements from earlier comics. This included the remove of more bondage related elements, toned down some of the radical feminist agenda, and eventually adding Hellenic and mythological elements and roots to the character. By the late 1960s, Wonder Woman lost her powers, owning to stay in the world of man, and for a time, picked up martial arts and weapons combat, and gave up being a super hero for owning a boutique. She participated in various story lines that focused more on espionage and mythology. Eventually, due to the 1970s TV show, Wonder Woman was repowered into a super hero. However, by 1985, Wonder Woman’s comic was losing popularity and the character was written out. During the Crisis of infinite Earth, Wonder Woman was depicted as originating on Earth Two, a second Earth to the main DC Continuity. As a result of the event that wiped out the Multiverse and all other Earths, Wonder Woman was to be written out. However, at the end of the series, Wonder Woman was given a new origin story, as an ambassador from her home land of Themyscira. This is how she would be portrayed in the modern age. By the end of Flash Point event, the New 52 reimagines Wonder Woman again, this time also carrying her now iconic sword and shield in to battle. The character was redesigned again in 2016, bring her more in line with her original creation. Crisis Events DC has major cross over events subjected in to Crisis Events, typically with the intent of retconing, shaking up, or revamping the entire comic landscape. This is often done to streamline continuities or characters, change up dynamics of the world and/or characters, or re-introduce new elements back in to the series. The events offer huge crossovers events for various books, characters, and stories, with the finality of the decisions that get made due to it. These Stories include: Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985) This event resulted in the collapse of the Multiverse, the notion that there are various worlds with similar or mirror characters that live similar or mirror lives due to the nature of possibility. As a result of losing the multiversity, several characters migrated to the main continuity, while other characters were killed off, like Super Girl. Zero Hour, Crisis in Time! (1994) This event saw the original Green Lantern become a bad guy and attempt to recreate the universe in his own image. The true purpose was to streamline the dates of events that happened, making it so that most character had been around for only 10 or so years, along with fixing the continuity issues plaguing various characters and their introduction from the previous Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline. Infinite Crisis (2005) This Crossover saw the reintroduction of the Multiverse, and redid the timeline and events once more. As a result of some character leaving to a pocket dimension in the First Crisis event, they see how dark the universe has gotten and decided they need to recreate Earth Two and Destroy Earth One. Eventually though, the Multiverse gets recreated as a result. Final Crisis (2008) The event sees a Super Man Villain, Dark Sied, taking over Earth using a formula designed to ensnare people to his will. Because Earth is the cornerstone of the Multiverse, and controlling it give the power to control over Multiverses, Dark Sied was capable of controlling the entire Multiverse. The comic in theory kills both Dark Sied and Batman, though both would return through weirdness. Flash Point (2011) Flash Point sees the Flash use his super speed ability to go back in time and save his mother. As a result of saving his mother, but at the cost of changing the entire universe, including depowering the Flash. In the end, Flash is able to get his powers back, and restore the events that led to the correct universe. However, while initially intended as a contained story, the events led to the ‘New 52’ Timeline. New 52 was a company-wide relaunch of all their series, simplifying and revamping many characters and time lines. Convergence (2015) Considered one of the worse Crisis Events, it saw a bad guy trying to battle the various DC cities against one another. And this meant from any continuity, any property, and almost any franchise was on the table. While everything eventually returned back to normal, and set in motion a removing continuity from DC Comics. The DC You initiative wanted to focus more on stories than continuity, however, this was widely hated by fans, and quietly swept under the rug. Dark Nights Metal (2017) The most recent Crisis Event depicts a bad guy, named Barbados, who seeks to leave a dark Multiverse dimension via Batman. Upon escaping, he brings with him various other murderous and evil Batmans, led by the Batman who laughs and kicks the butts out of the regular Multiverse characters. Eventually the Multiverse heroes beat the Dark Multiverse. This series is the first to not have any major shake-ups in the universe necessarily. Character History: Depending on which timeline, revamp, or relaunch, the character’s history has been changed countless times to suit the needs of the writers and runners of the comic books. The most common origin stories for Diana include: She was born of clay and brought to life as a golem by the gods She was a blessing from the gods She is the daughter of Zeus, and thus a demi-god. All stories start with Diana being raised on Paradise Island, later renamed Themyscira, and being trained by the Amazons of the island. She meets with Captain Steve Trevor and is brought to the world of man, either to protect it, or to act as an Emissary for Themyscira. Diana Prince is her alias, otherwise she is Diana of Themyscira, when not known as Wonder Woman. She is depicted as being among the best woman in the world. Strong and powerful, but delicate and kind, smart and heroic, embodying all the greatest qualities of womanhood. Beyond that, she is considered a part of the Holy Trinity of DC Comics, which include Superman, Batman, and herself. She is also the first of the Three to join the Justice League, later retconed as her, Superman, and Batman creating the league together. Her Powers include: Super Strength Super Durability Super Speed Super Agility Healing Factor Flight (Post Crisis on infinite Earths) Beyond her Super powers she is a: Master Tactician Master Combatant Multi-Lingual Expert Pilot Possessing Great Wisdom Equipment: Bracelets of Submission – Crafted from Zeus’s legendary Aegis Shield, Wonder Woman’s iconic bracelets act as Bracers on her arms, allowing her to deflect bullets and projectiles,including energy blasts. Lasso of Truth – a powerful rope that is capable of retraining the universes strongest beings, including Superman. The lasso also compels people to be truthful. The lasso has also shown healing and anti-magic properties. Golden Tiara – Wonder Woman’s headband has doubled as a boomerang on occasions, depicted as being super strong and sharp. Invisible Jet – Wonder Woman’s original mode of transportation prior to her ability to fly. It is meant to be based on a Pegasus, but has changed from a propeller plane to a jet plane over time and publications. Sword and Shield – Since the New 52 continuity, Wonder Woman has also carried a Sword and Shield, reminiscent of gladiators in Roman times. They’re depicted as being of similar metal to her Tiara and costume, having been crafted by the Amazonians. Costume: Depending on the depiction, Wonder Woman’s costume has been relatively consistent over time, mirroring similar elements over the time. Most notable changes over time have included the bottom portion going from a skirt with stars to high-cut briefs with stars, her red, strapless top depicting an eagle, later her Wonder Woman logo over the cups of the breasts. In 2010, they decided to change her look up and gave her pants and a leather jacket. The original look would alter return a year later in 2011, and by 2016, her look was resigned to look more gladiatorial, with an over the shoulder strap for her sword and shield, along with her a gladiatorial skirt in the form of leather strips, not unlike Xena, Warrior Princess. This was also the version used for the Live Action movies. Villains: Wonder Woman’s Rogue Gallery consists of a lot of Greek Gods and Mythology creatures, though has some unique villains too. Though they all share a common element that they are all intelligent and/or doctors in some field. Giganta – a woman who is capable of changing her shape and size, while still retaining her intelligence. Cheetah – a woman, occasionally a man, who dresses like a Cheetah to fight Wonder Woman. Modern takes on Cheetah have her Cheetah like characteristics and powers gifted by the plant god Urzkartaga. Doctor Psycho – can control minds. He’s notable for being created partly based off Marston’s college professors who opposed women’s suffrage and feminism. Doctor Poison – a woman who uses poison to control minds, along with other effects. Ares – The God of War, who is in direct opposition to Wonder Woman, who strives for peace around the world. The First Born – Daughter of Hera and Zeus, he is destined to sit on Zeus’s throne. He fights with Wonder Woman who aims to stop him. Circe – A Sorceress with various god like powers, including mind control, creating energy blasts, teleportation, and transforming objects. She’s all known for her siren’s call that lures men to their death. Medusa – the Gorgon with snake like hair and can turn people in to stone. In Media: Beyond the original Comic Books, Wonder Woman has been a pop Icon for the last 80 years. As a result, she’s been depicted in various media outside of her comic origin. It was the famous 1975 Wonder Woman Tv Show which reintroduced Wonder Woman’s powers in the comics. Protrayed by Lynda Carter. Wonder Woman has been a mainstay of various animated DC properties. Most Notably in the Super Friends Cartoons from the 70s and 80s and the DC Animated Universe cartoons that aired throughout the late 90s and early 2000s. She’s also been a part of major Justice League Direct to Video features. In Film, She is portrayed by Gal Gadot in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Woman 1984.
Este episodio es traído a todos ustedes gracias al apoyo invaluable de:Productora Ejecutiva: Blanca LópezCo-Productor: Jaime RosalesCo-Productor: Román RangelCo-Productor: Dany SaadiaCo-Productor: Juan EspírituCo-Productor: Mauricio GonzálezAgradecimiento especial a nuestros Patreons: Adriana Fernández, Álvaro Vázquez, Barbas Poéticas, Fernando Teodoro, Lau Berdejo, Arturo Manrique, Pepe Ruiloba, Alejandro Alemán, Luis Macías, Lulú Petite, Enrique Vázquez, Jorge I. Figueroa, Arturo Aguilar, Logan Mayer, Ernesto Diezmartínez, Jorge Eduardo López, Luiso Uribe, Marcela Salgado, Fernando Alonso, Óscar Campos y Emile Rudoy.Esto y más disponible en www.patreon.com/churrosypalomitasEn un año en donde los planes han cambiado por causas ajenas a nuestro control en varias ocasiones (gracias, pandemia), hay ocasiones en que uno busca el confort de lo conocido, de aquello que trae buenos recuerdos y dejan un espíritu de optimismo, muy necesario en tiempos modernos. Tratando de hacer todo esto es que llegó a cartelera regular Wonder Woman 1984, la más reciente entrega de Gal Gadot como la súper heroína más importante salida del mundo de las viñetas. Son los 80's y nos encontramos en el pináculo de la cultura moderna (según palabras de la misma Patty Jenkins, quien dirige y coescribió la historia junto a Geoff Johns y Dave Callahan). Diana Prince ha estado en el mundo del hombre desde finales de la primera guerra mundial y se ha establecido como una respetable figura museográfica. ¿Su otra identidad, la que usa un traje colorido? Pues cae en el extraño rubro de parecer ser una leyenda urbana.Dentro del mundo del cómic, al principio hubo Superman, y todo lo demás son variaciones del personaje. Batman literalmente surge como personaje por encargo solicitado como “otro Superman” para vender más historietas. ¿Wonder Woman? A pesar de todo lo que se busca ensalzar su origen con las coloridas personalidades de sus creadores (el doctor Moulton Marston, su esposa Elizabeth Marston y su amante Olive Byrne, aunque el único que recibe crédito es el doctor), Wonder Woman es “la versión femenina de Superman”. A pesar de décadas de historias escritas por grandes variedades de talentos, la realidad es que sigue siendo un personaje a la sombra de aquellos que surgieron primero, y los autores que la escriben parece ser que no notan algunos vicios de repetición que deberían ser innecesarios. Dentro del universo cinematográfico de DC, el cual ha tenido una historia irregular incluso en esta novena cinta que forma parte de esa selección, Superman es la pieza central, mientras que Batman es la figura que más vende. El primero debe representar un punto alto inspiracional mientras que el segundo es la fantasía del niño que crece con dinero y obsesión y es incapaz de madurar y tener una relación saludable con la realidad. Diana es una extraña mezcla de ambos casos al tratar de presentarse con el espíritu del Superman de Dick Donner, pero siendo además la eterna traumada incapaz de superar la pérdida de su primer amor… la cual ocurrió hace décadas. No importa que haya vivido muchísimo tiempo en Isla Paraíso, lo que la dejó marcada fue su relación con Steve Trevor (Chris Pine). Es este precisamente uno de los principales problemas que parecen bagaje inevitable (y en realidad innecesario) que no permiten al personaje crecer, a menos que la figura masculina (presente o ausente) la forcé a madurar y tomar decisiones que no quiere aceptar, sin importar que las mismas sean por el bien de la humanidad, haciendo que se vea forzada a dejar de ser tan egoísta. Los grandes villanos para esta entrega son Barbara Minerva (Kristen Wiig), quien pasa de ser una admiradora de Diana Prince, para querer imitarla y finalmente buscar ser su propia identidad: un depredador alfa. Esto es algo que se plantea interesante pero que desafortunadamente tiene muy poco tiempo de desarrollo, a pesar de que la película dura más de dos horas y media. Por otro lado tenemos al carismático Maxwell Lord (Pedro Pascal, en su segunda incorporación al mito de Wonder Woman, ya que previamente participó en el piloto fallido de televisión del personaje, allá en el 2011).¿Su objetivo? Obtener poder y éxito económico a través de eso que en los 80's traía felicidad a cualquier empresario: el petróleo. Estos son los dos personajes a los que deberá confrontar Diana, siguiendo el síndrome de película de Batman noventera, en donde más villanos diluyen la historia y no dan una mejor cinta, cosa que tristemente pasa aquí.Wonder Woman 84 son tres películas en una. La confrontación con cada uno de los villanos, así como el villano más grande (el egoísmo “inocente” de Diana, que es parte de su historia romántica) darían cada uno para una cinta de 90 minutos mejor contada, pero al mezclarlos todos y el buscar dar mayor importancia a las amenazas que van surgiendo, solo terminan haciendo que se pierda peso en los conflictos, sin importar si son planes maquiavélicos a gran escala o dilemas morales y personales. Cuando todo es importante, nada es importante.Otro de los grandes villanos de la historia es el mismo Geoff Johns, que a pesar de las mejores intenciones, no puede dejar de tratar de arreglar aquello que es irrelevante, al forzar distintos momentos en que Wonder Woman deberá salvar a inocentes en el camino de la destrucción. Elementos forzadísimos y sin peso, pero que buscan ser la contraparte del Man of Steel de Snyder, en donde al parecer, si explícitamente no bajas un gato de un árbol, no eres súper héroe inspirador, y todo lo que hagas se tomará en tu contra. Curiosamente Diana también comete varios actos cuestionables en donde deja daño a la propiedad pública o deja lesionadas a distintas personas pero ¡no importa! Por que seguro eran malos, y mientras ella pueda alejar a una linda niñita afrodescendiente del peligro y después le guiñe el ojo, todo estará bien. En el manejo de la historia, hay varios errores conscientes sobre el manejo de la misma. El manejo de elementos del medio oriente muestran más una falta de sensibilidad por parte de los guionistas que un propósito claro de crear escenas que muestren los riesgos de la última parte de la guerra fría. De la misma manera, dentro de las al menos tres secuencias de acción importantes de la cinta, ninguna tiene emoción real y se queman cartuchos al usar el tema cinematográfico de Wonder Woman (ahora sin Junkie XL) de manera innecesaria, al punto que parece que si la Amazona va a cruzar la calle, se debe escuchar su canción. Es triste también que al comparar con otra cinta de la misma Warner, TeneT, al realizarse secuencias similares en donde tenemos persecuciones de autos, Nolan sale por mucho mejor librado con su secuencia, por más absurda e innecesariamente complicada que sea, mientras que lo que se hace en WW84 es… irrelevante y sin peso. Mientras que el catalizador de la historia es un objeto concede-deseos (con todo y la ironía del Genio Mala Onda que te concede lo que pides pero con un giro irónico y ojete), esto también juega en contra del peso de las acciones y decisiones que toman los personajes. Steve Trevor está de regreso ¿por qué? Pues porque sí y cállate. Desafortunadamente este elemento también es el que hace que el conflicto aumente, pero se puede deshacer de una manera tan simple como el desearlo. Algo que podría dar para explorar dilemas morales con mayor peso y explorar la psique de los personajes y mostrar por que Diana es la mejor entre nosotros, solo sirve como pretexto para secuencias de acción, diálogos aleccionadores que mágicamente se transmiten a quien necesite escucharlos por poca lógica que se tenga. ¿Por qué? Pues porque sí y cállate.Actores carismáticos que dan lo mejor de sí no logran rescatar una historia que queda como “película genérica de súper héroes” en donde las cosas solo pasan por que sí. ¿Diana necesita nuevos poderes? ¡Dáselos! ¿Guiños a su versión animada o a la serie de televisión? ¡Ahí están! Son detalles que si se esforzaron tanto en incluirse, se pudieron haber esforzado un poco más en simplificar el guión, quitar elementos irrelevantes y dar mayor peso a un personaje que se ha ganado un lugar en la santísima trinidad heroica de DC, pero que parece siempre quedarse de lado. Cuando vi la cinta originalmente (en algo que se llama “sala de cine”, elemento que es inaccesible o está casi extinto en el futuro en que probablemente lean o escuchen esto), me quedé con una sensación agridulce. En serio quería que la cinta me gustara pero no podía dejar de pensar en sus inconsistencias y en como el equipo detrás de ella no es tan bueno como muchos quieren creer. Tras verla una segunda ocasión, es latente que las decisiones y problemas de la historia y la cinta son completamente intencionales. Esto no la vuelve mejor pero ayuda a tener un mejor entendimiento sobre la decisión de los elementos incluidos. Esto curiosamente también sirve para entender la decisión por parte de Warner (y sus amos en AT&T) de lanzar la cinta en modelo híbrido en Estados Unidos. Tras haber tenido varios cambios de fecha de lanzamiento, parecía una buena opción para reactivar la taquilla, pero el destino tiene otros planes y en prácticamente todo el mundo es imposible verse en salas, debido a la actual pandemia. La cinta le da un mayor valor de marca al servicio de streaming de HBO Max y curiosamente, con todos sus problemas, será más fácil que tenga un camino certero a hacer una trilogía si olvidamos la taquilla y la vemos como una obra menor, que tristemente lo es al compararse con su cinta previa (la cual tiene momentos icónicos y detalles de identidad de historia y personajes que están completamente ausentes acá), o con otras películas del género. A final de cuentas, y gracias a la distribución digital, la cinta llegará al sector del video en casa pronto. Es triste que uno de los personajes más grandes de la cultura pop se vea relegado y encuentre un nicho en la pequeña pantalla.
En un año en donde los planes han cambiado por causas ajenas a nuestro control en varias ocasiones (gracias, pandemia), hay ocasiones en que uno busca el confort de lo conocido, de aquello que trae buenos recuerdos y dejan un espíritu de optimismo, muy necesario en tiempos modernos. Tratando de hacer todo esto es que llegó a cartelera regular Wonder Woman 1984, la más reciente entrega de Gal Gadot como la súper heroína más importante salida del mundo de las viñetas. Este contenido se publico antes en nuestra página en www.patreon.com/churrosypalomitas, en donde además encuentras contenido sin publicidad y apoyas directamente a la creación de este y más contenidos. ¿En donde? Aquí¿Tienes cuenta de Twitch? ¿Tienes cuenta de Amazon Prime? ¡Puedes apoyar este proyecto donando el dinero de Jeff Bezos y a ti no te cuesta nada! Instrucciones aquí.El audio lo puedes descargar aquí o escuchar en el siguiente reproductor. También puedes escucharnos con tus aplicaciones favoritas como Spotify, iTunes, Pocket Cast, Sound Cloud, Spreaker, Stitcher, Tune In, Acast, Player FM, MixCloud, Overcast, iHeart Radio, Hear This At, Podcast Addict, Castbox, y hasta en iVoox.Este episodio es traído a todos ustedes gracias al apoyo invaluable de:Productora Ejecutiva: Blanca LópezCo-Productor: Jaime RosalesCo-Productor: Román RangelCo-Productor: Dany SaadiaCo-Productor: Juan EspírituCo-Productor: Mauricio GonzálezAgradecimiento especial a nuestros Patreons: Adriana Fernández, Álvaro Vázquez, Barbas Poéticas, Fernando Teodoro, Lau Berdejo, Arturo Manrique, Pepe Ruiloba, Alejandro Alemán, Luis Macías, Lulú Petite, Enrique Vázquez, Jorge I. Figueroa, Arturo Aguilar, Logan Mayer, Ernesto Diezmartínez, Jorge Eduardo López, Luiso Uribe, Marcela Salgado, Fernando Alonso, Óscar Campos y Emile Rudoy.Tú también puedes apoyar la creación de este y más programas y recibir crédito (para que aumentes currículum) y otros extras exclusivos en www.patreon.com/churrosypalomitas¿Quieren continuar la discusión? Tenemos nuestro canal de Discord de Charlas y Palomitas, con distintos temas, unos solo para productores del show y otros para toda la banda.¿Sabías que tenemos playeras bien bonitas con diseños cinematográficos? Los encuentras en nuestra tienda, con envíos a toda la república. ¡Checa el catálogo acá!Son los 80’s y nos encontramos en el pináculo de la cultura moderna (según palabras de la misma Patty Jenkins, quien dirige y coescribió la historia junto a Geoff Johns y Dave Callahan). Diana Prince ha estado en el mundo del hombre desde finales de la primera guerra mundial y se ha establecido como una respetable figura museográfica. ¿Su otra identidad, la que usa un traje colorido? Pues cae en el extraño rubro de parecer ser una leyenda urbana.Dentro del mundo del cómic, al principio hubo Superman, y todo lo demás son variaciones del personaje. Batman literalmente surge como personaje por encargo solicitado como “otro Superman” para vender más historietas. ¿Wonder Woman? A pesar de todo lo que se busca ensalzar su origen con las coloridas personalidades de sus creadores (el doctor Moulton Marston, su esposa Elizabeth Marston y su amante Olive Byrne, aunque el único que recibe crédito es el doctor), Wonder Woman es “la versión femenina de Superman”. A pesar de décadas de historias escritas por grandes variedades de talentos, la realidad es que sigue siendo un personaje a la sombra de aquellos que surgieron primero, y los autores que la escriben parece ser que no notan algunos vicios de repetición que deberían ser innecesarios. Dentro del universo cinematográfico de DC, el cual ha tenido una historia irregular incluso en esta novena cinta que forma parte de esa selección, Superman es la pieza central, mientras que Batman es la figura que más vende. El primero debe representar un punto alto inspiracional mientras que el segundo es la fantasía del niño que crece con dinero y obsesión y es incapaz de madurar y tener una relación saludable con la realidad. Diana es una extraña mezcla de ambos casos al tratar de presentarse con el espíritu del Superman de Dick Donner, pero siendo además la eterna traumada incapaz de superar la pérdida de su primer amor… la cual ocurrió hace décadas. No importa que haya vivido muchísimo tiempo en Isla Paraíso, lo que la dejó marcada fue su relación con Steve Trevor (Chris Pine). Es este precisamente uno de los principales problemas que parecen bagaje inevitable (y en realidad innecesario) que no permiten al personaje crecer, a menos que la figura masculina (presente o ausente) la forcé a madurar y tomar decisiones que no quiere aceptar, sin importar que las mismas sean por el bien de la humanidad, haciendo que se vea forzada a dejar de ser tan egoísta. Los grandes villanos para esta entrega son Barbara Minerva (Kristen Wiig), quien pasa de ser una admiradora de Diana Prince, para querer imitarla y finalmente buscar ser su propia identidad: un depredador alfa. Esto es algo que se plantea interesante pero que desafortunadamente tiene muy poco tiempo de desarrollo, a pesar de que la película dura más de dos horas y media. Por otro lado tenemos al carismático Maxwell Lord (Pedro Pascal, en su segunda incorporación al mito de Wonder Woman, ya que previamente participó en el piloto fallido de televisión del personaje, allá en el 2011).¿Su objetivo? Obtener poder y éxito económico a través de eso que en los 80’s traía felicidad a cualquier empresario: el petróleo. Estos son los dos personajes a los que deberá confrontar Diana, siguiendo el síndrome de película de Batman noventera, en donde más villanos diluyen la historia y no dan una mejor cinta, cosa que tristemente pasa aquí.Wonder Woman 84 son tres películas en una. La confrontación con cada uno de los villanos, así como el villano más grande (el egoísmo “inocente” de Diana, que es parte de su historia romántica) darían cada uno para una cinta de 90 minutos mejor contada, pero al mezclarlos todos y el buscar dar mayor importancia a las amenazas que van surgiendo, solo terminan haciendo que se pierda peso en los conflictos, sin importar si son planes maquiavélicos a gran escala o dilemas morales y personales. Cuando todo es importante, nada es importante. Otro de los grandes villanos de la historia es el mismo Geoff Johns, que a pesar de las mejores intenciones, no puede dejar de tratar de arreglar aquello que es irrelevante, al forzar distintos momentos en que Wonder Woman deberá salvar a inocentes en el camino de la destrucción. Elementos forzadísimos y sin peso, pero que buscan ser la contraparte del Man of Steel de Snyder, en donde al parecer, si explícitamente no bajas un gato de un árbol, no eres súper héroe inspirador, y todo lo que hagas se tomará en tu contra. Curiosamente Diana también comete varios actos cuestionables en donde deja daño a la propiedad pública o deja lesionadas a distintas personas pero ¡no importa! Por que seguro eran malos, y mientras ella pueda alejar a una linda niñita afrodescendiente del peligro y después le guiñe el ojo, todo estará bien. En el manejo de la historia, hay varios errores conscientes sobre el manejo de la misma. El manejo de elementos del medio oriente muestran más una falta de sensibilidad por parte de los guionistas que un propósito claro de crear escenas que muestren los riesgos de la última parte de la guerra fría. De la misma manera, dentro de las al menos tres secuencias de acción importantes de la cinta, ninguna tiene emoción real y se queman cartuchos al usar el tema cinematográfico de Wonder Woman (ahora sin Junkie XL) de manera innecesaria, al punto que parece que si la Amazona va a cruzar la calle, se debe escuchar su canción. Es triste también que al comparar con otra cinta de la misma Warner, TeneT, al realizarse secuencias similares en donde tenemos persecuciones de autos, Nolan sale por mucho mejor librado con su secuencia, por más absurda e innecesariamente complicada que sea, mientras que lo que se hace en WW84 es… irrelevante y sin peso. Mientras que el catalizador de la historia es un objeto concede-deseos (con todo y la ironía del Genio Mala Onda que te concede lo que pides pero con un giro irónico y ojete), esto también juega en contra del peso de las acciones y decisiones que toman los personajes. Steve Trevor está de regreso ¿por qué? Pues porque sí y cállate. Desafortunadamente este elemento también es el que hace que el conflicto aumente, pero se puede deshacer de una manera tan simple como el desearlo. Algo que podría dar para explorar dilemas morales con mayor peso y explorar la psique de los personajes y mostrar por que Diana es la mejor entre nosotros, solo sirve como pretexto para secuencias de acción, diálogos aleccionadores que mágicamente se transmiten a quien necesite escucharlos por poca lógica que se tenga. ¿Por qué? Pues porque sí y cállate.Actores carismáticos que dan lo mejor de sí no logran rescatar una historia que queda como “película genérica de súper héroes” en donde las cosas solo pasan por que sí. ¿Diana necesita nuevos poderes? ¡Dáselos! ¿Guiños a su versión animada o a la serie de televisión? ¡Ahí están! Son detalles que si se esforzaron tanto en incluirse, se pudieron haber esforzado un poco más en simplificar el guión, quitar elementos irrelevantes y dar mayor peso a un personaje que se ha ganado un lugar en la santísima trinidad heroica de DC, pero que parece siempre quedarse de lado. Cuando vi la cinta originalmente (en algo que se llama “sala de cine”, elemento que es inaccesible o está casi extinto en el futuro en que probablemente lean o escuchen esto), me quedé con una sensación agridulce. En serio quería que la cinta me gustara pero no podía dejar de pensar en sus inconsistencias y en como el equipo detrás de ella no es tan bueno como muchos quieren creer. Tras verla una segunda ocasión, es latente que las decisiones y problemas de la historia y la cinta son completamente intencionales. Esto no la vuelve mejor pero ayuda a tener un mejor entendimiento sobre la decisión de los elementos incluidos. Esto curiosamente también sirve para entender la decisión por parte de Warner (y sus amos en AT&T) de lanzar la cinta en modelo híbrido en Estados Unidos. Tras haber tenido varios cambios de fecha de lanzamiento, parecía una buena opción para reactivar la taquilla, pero el destino tiene otros planes y en prácticamente todo el mundo es imposible verse en salas, debido a la actual pandemia. La cinta le da un mayor valor de marca al servicio de streaming de HBO Max y curiosamente, con todos sus problemas, será más fácil que tenga un camino certero a hacer una trilogía si olvidamos la taquilla y la vemos como una obra menor, que tristemente lo es al compararse con su cinta previa (la cual tiene momentos icónicos y detalles de identidad de historia y personajes que están completamente ausentes acá), o con otras películas del género. A final de cuentas, y gracias a la distribución digital, la cinta llegará al sector del video en casa pronto. Es triste que uno de los personajes más grandes de la cultura pop se vea relegado y encuentre un nicho en la pequeña pantalla.
Welcome to Episode Eight of Just Another Sex Podcast! This week marks our first episode in a series surrounding Sex in the Media. Our topic? A movie about the unconventional life of none other than the polyamorous creator of Wonder Woman!Professor Marston and the Wonder Women is a 2017 movie that is based on the lives of Professor William Moulton Marston and his two loves, Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne. We dive into loads of topics, from the accuracy of the story to the themes explored in the film itself - not to mention lots of fangirling over Wonder Woman and the women who inspired her. Please feel free to reach out with questions, comments, and episode suggestions to:Instagram @JustAnotherSexPodcastTwitter @JASexPodcastFacebook @JustAnotherSexPodcastor email us at justanothersexpodcast@gmail.comTheme song is Urbana-Metronica (wooh-yeah mix) by spinningmerkaba (c) copyright 2011 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/jlbrock44/33345 Ft: Morusque, Jeris, CSoul, Alex Beroza
This week Kay talks about the murder of Damilola Taylor, Lisa talks about white parties, and Kirsten talks about the hidden story behind the man and his two partners who created wonder woman. William Marston, Elizabeth Marston, and Olive Byrne. Social: @2nahalfles
In this extra empowering episode Suzie explores the origin of the Hatpin Warriors and Trevor wonders about William Moulton Marston and his wonderful creation! WHAT THE HISTORY? Don’t forget to… Continue reading "Hatpin Warriors and Wonder Who’s Origin This Is"
In this extra empowering episode Suzie explores the origin of the Hatpin Warriors and Trevor wonders about William Moulton Marston and his wonderful creation! WHAT THE HISTORY? Don’t forget to… Continue reading "Hatpin Warriors and Wonder Who’s Origin This Is"
Fonseca talks with Gil Gerard American actor, most notable for his role as Captain William "Buck" Rogers in the 1979–81 television series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. (try not to laugh to hard!) AMV tells us "THE BEST FEMALE" Superheroes Of All Time With Captain Marvel still lighting up the box office, there's no question studios are looking to put female superheroes front and center. With that in mind, we're looking back at the best of the best - the most powerful, coolest, all around best superheroines of all time. Supergirl Supergirl may have started out as a spin-off character from Superman, but for many fans, she's become so much more than that. DC's Maid of Might represents a certain element of femininity that is often glossed over in fiction – the balance of girlish glee and emotional exploration with confidence and physical power. Too often female characters must be one or the other, ultra-feminine or super-powerful, but Supergirl - who possesses all the strength of her cousin Superman while facing all the issues of a young woman - is at her best when writers strike a true balance between both sides of that coin, letting her be a real Supergirl. That dynamic plays an important role in the CW's Supergirl, a show that places a slightly older Kara in the central role and embraces her femininity without shying away from her ability to kick ass. Black Widow Black Widow has been around as a character since the 1960's, but it's only recently that she's become a particularly prominent heroine in the Marvel Universe, thanks in large part to her role as a founding member of the cinematic Avengers. But the fact that her recent success has mostly been due to her onscreen adventures doesn't discount her role in comic books, either. Though she started out as a villain, it wasn't long before Black Widow became an Avenger, a career she's balanced with her black ops work alongside S.H.I.E.L.D. and on her own, even leading the team for a time. Black Widow is finally getting her own solo film in the MCU as well, with a director having just come on board. She-Hulk To some, She-Hulk is the ultimate expression of feminine power. She's indestructible, super-strong, and without inhibition – all of this with the mind of a high-powered attorney wrapped inside those unparalleled green muscles. And while she may seem like a typical spin-off character (obviously riffing on her somewhat more famous cousin Bruce Banner), She-Hulk takes the concept of a gamma-irradiated hero to a totally different level, embracing her alter ego and living life to the fullest. In some ways, She-Hulk also broke other boundaries – her John Byrne-penned ongoing series introduced an indestructible, fourth-wall-breaking hero with a sense of humor years before Deadpool grew a similar schtick. She-Hulk was Deadpool before there even was a Deadpool. She-Hulk is now a core member of the recently relaunched Avengers Wasp Janet Van Dyne was not only the first female Avenger, and a founder, but also the hero who named the team when they first formed. Though she started out as something of a sidekick to her on-again-off-again (currently off-again) paramour Hank Pym, Janet quickly became a hero in her own right, leading the Avengers several times, and often acting as the team's moral center. When crafting this list, it came down to putting either Wasp or Captain Marvel in this spot. And while Captain Marvel may be more prominent now, her trajectory has been spotty, taking her from being a damsel in distress, to a perpetual victim, to leading the Avengers and her own intergalactic defense team, while Wasp's arc has been far more consistent. Add to that her historical significance, and it's easy to see why she's one of the greatest female heroes ever to grace the printed page. And while viewers got a glimpse of Janet Van Dyne in action in Ant-Man, she took on a much larger role in the sequel Ant-Man and the Wasp - in which her MCU daughter Hope Van Dyne took on the mantle of the winsome Wasp. Jean Grey 6 of 12 Jean Grey was the first X-Woman, and even bore the name of her publishing company as Marvel Girl before transitioning to her Phoenix identity in the 1970's. But she's more than just the first female mutant superhero – she's also emblematic of the entire X-Men franchise, and one of the most complex, well-developed characters in comic books. She may have started out in the typical Marvel superheroine model, but later adventures saw Jean develop a level of depth that many ensemble cast members never achieve. Between her ever developing relationship with Scott Summers, her vast and terrifying power levels, her descent into madness as the Dark Phoenix, and her penchant for self-sacrifice and redemption, Jean experienced more in her tenure as a hero than almost anyone. Of course, the Phoenix always rises from the ashes, and a newly returned Jean Grey now leads her own team in X-Men: Red. Batgirl Barbara Gordon is unique among female heroes, and superheroes in general, for having not one but two vastly different and very successful superhero careers. Barbara started out as Batgirl, using her wits, her incredible intelligence, and her physical capabilities to earn Batman's trust as an ally and protégé. However, after years of fighting crime on the streets of Gotham, a violent encounter with the Joker left her paralyzed – but not deterred. Though her physical challenges sometimes (not always) kept her off the streets, Barbara turned to her intelligence to make a difference. Taking on the mantle of Oracle, Barbara became the information hub for Batman's entire network and lead the all-female superhero team the Birds of Prey. Now she's back in action as Batgirl, her injuries having finally been reversed. Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is just about the most powerful woman in the Marvel Universe, and is arguably the publisher's top female hero. With cosmic powers, a background as a fighter pilot, a high profile movie, and that crucial Avengers membership, she's everything great about superheroes wrapped up in one sleek package. It's no wonder the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe will likely put Carol front and center, as one of the pillars of the most popular superhero brand in the world. Storm Storm started as the X-Men's ingénue, a young heroine who was one of the rookie mutants recruited when the original team went missing. Alongside other X-Men mainstays like Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, Storm rose through the ranks becoming not just a seasoned hero, but a mentor to her fellow mutants, and now serves as the Headmistress of Xavier's school, and the leader of the X-Men. Storm is also the first major female hero of color – a distinction that shouldn't be overlooked, especially considering how important she's remained in both X-Men and Marvel lore. Fans saw a new side of Storm when Alexandra Shipp took over the role of a younger version of the character in 2016' X-Men: Apocalypse, a role she's set to reprise in the film's sequel Dark Phoenix. Invisible Woman Marvel's first superheroine may not have the highest profile of the characters on this list, but Sue Storm set the pace for modern female heroes – and still occupies a fairly unique place in comic books. While its true that early stories didn't exactly serve Sue particularly well, she developed into the heart and soul of the Fantastic Four, serving as Marvel's first family's de facto – and literal – mother. And that may be one of the most crucial aspects of her character. While Sue Storm is powerful in her own right – many writers have said she's got the most raw power of anyone on the FF – she also represents an important aspect of womanhood that many female heroes have sacrificed or had used against them – motherhood. That Sue can serve as one of the most respected heroes in the Marvel Universe (and it's first female hero) while simultaneously raising two children and shepherding the growth of many more through the Future Foundation can't be understated. Plus, it takes a pretty amazing woman to stand up to a blowhard like Reed Richards. Wonder Woman Diana of Themiscyra represents the best of mankind, and of womanhood. Strong, compassionate, fearless, and independent, as Wonder Woman Diana is a pillar of the Justice League and one of the greatest heroes and warriors in the entire DC Universe. And though her real world origins are complex, William Moulton Marston and his collaborators Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne created an equally complex character who would grow to become a feminist icon and the character that almost anyone in the world thinks of when you say “female superhero.
Fonseca talks with Gil Gerard American actor, most notable for his role as Captain William "Buck" Rogers in the 1979–81 television series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. (try not to laugh to hard!) AMV tells us "THE BEST FEMALE" Superheroes Of All Time With Captain Marvel still lighting up the box office, there's no question studios are looking to put female superheroes front and center. With that in mind, we're looking back at the best of the best - the most powerful, coolest, all around best superheroines of all time. Supergirl Supergirl may have started out as a spin-off character from Superman, but for many fans, she’s become so much more than that. DC’s Maid of Might represents a certain element of femininity that is often glossed over in fiction – the balance of girlish glee and emotional exploration with confidence and physical power. Too often female characters must be one or the other, ultra-feminine or super-powerful, but Supergirl - who possesses all the strength of her cousin Superman while facing all the issues of a young woman - is at her best when writers strike a true balance between both sides of that coin, letting her be a real Supergirl. That dynamic plays an important role in the CW’s Supergirl, a show that places a slightly older Kara in the central role and embraces her femininity without shying away from her ability to kick ass. Black Widow Black Widow has been around as a character since the 1960’s, but it’s only recently that she’s become a particularly prominent heroine in the Marvel Universe, thanks in large part to her role as a founding member of the cinematic Avengers. But the fact that her recent success has mostly been due to her onscreen adventures doesn’t discount her role in comic books, either. Though she started out as a villain, it wasn’t long before Black Widow became an Avenger, a career she’s balanced with her black ops work alongside S.H.I.E.L.D. and on her own, even leading the team for a time. Black Widow is finally getting her own solo film in the MCU as well, with a director having just come on board. She-Hulk To some, She-Hulk is the ultimate expression of feminine power. She’s indestructible, super-strong, and without inhibition – all of this with the mind of a high-powered attorney wrapped inside those unparalleled green muscles. And while she may seem like a typical spin-off character (obviously riffing on her somewhat more famous cousin Bruce Banner), She-Hulk takes the concept of a gamma-irradiated hero to a totally different level, embracing her alter ego and living life to the fullest. In some ways, She-Hulk also broke other boundaries – her John Byrne-penned ongoing series introduced an indestructible, fourth-wall-breaking hero with a sense of humor years before Deadpool grew a similar schtick. She-Hulk was Deadpool before there even was a Deadpool. She-Hulk is now a core member of the recently relaunched Avengers Wasp Janet Van Dyne was not only the first female Avenger, and a founder, but also the hero who named the team when they first formed. Though she started out as something of a sidekick to her on-again-off-again (currently off-again) paramour Hank Pym, Janet quickly became a hero in her own right, leading the Avengers several times, and often acting as the team’s moral center. When crafting this list, it came down to putting either Wasp or Captain Marvel in this spot. And while Captain Marvel may be more prominent now, her trajectory has been spotty, taking her from being a damsel in distress, to a perpetual victim, to leading the Avengers and her own intergalactic defense team, while Wasp’s arc has been far more consistent. Add to that her historical significance, and it’s easy to see why she’s one of the greatest female heroes ever to grace the printed page. And while viewers got a glimpse of Janet Van Dyne in action in Ant-Man, she took on a much larger role in the sequel Ant-Man and the Wasp - in which her MCU daughter Hope Van Dyne took on the mantle of the winsome Wasp. Jean Grey 6 of 12 Jean Grey was the first X-Woman, and even bore the name of her publishing company as Marvel Girl before transitioning to her Phoenix identity in the 1970’s. But she’s more than just the first female mutant superhero – she’s also emblematic of the entire X-Men franchise, and one of the most complex, well-developed characters in comic books. She may have started out in the typical Marvel superheroine model, but later adventures saw Jean develop a level of depth that many ensemble cast members never achieve. Between her ever developing relationship with Scott Summers, her vast and terrifying power levels, her descent into madness as the Dark Phoenix, and her penchant for self-sacrifice and redemption, Jean experienced more in her tenure as a hero than almost anyone. Of course, the Phoenix always rises from the ashes, and a newly returned Jean Grey now leads her own team in X-Men: Red. Batgirl Barbara Gordon is unique among female heroes, and superheroes in general, for having not one but two vastly different and very successful superhero careers. Barbara started out as Batgirl, using her wits, her incredible intelligence, and her physical capabilities to earn Batman’s trust as an ally and protégé. However, after years of fighting crime on the streets of Gotham, a violent encounter with the Joker left her paralyzed – but not deterred. Though her physical challenges sometimes (not always) kept her off the streets, Barbara turned to her intelligence to make a difference. Taking on the mantle of Oracle, Barbara became the information hub for Batman’s entire network and lead the all-female superhero team the Birds of Prey. Now she’s back in action as Batgirl, her injuries having finally been reversed. Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is just about the most powerful woman in the Marvel Universe, and is arguably the publisher's top female hero. With cosmic powers, a background as a fighter pilot, a high profile movie, and that crucial Avengers membership, she's everything great about superheroes wrapped up in one sleek package. It's no wonder the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe will likely put Carol front and center, as one of the pillars of the most popular superhero brand in the world. Storm Storm started as the X-Men’s ingénue, a young heroine who was one of the rookie mutants recruited when the original team went missing. Alongside other X-Men mainstays like Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, Storm rose through the ranks becoming not just a seasoned hero, but a mentor to her fellow mutants, and now serves as the Headmistress of Xavier’s school, and the leader of the X-Men. Storm is also the first major female hero of color – a distinction that shouldn’t be overlooked, especially considering how important she’s remained in both X-Men and Marvel lore. Fans saw a new side of Storm when Alexandra Shipp took over the role of a younger version of the character in 2016' X-Men: Apocalypse, a role she's set to reprise in the film's sequel Dark Phoenix. Invisible Woman Marvel’s first superheroine may not have the highest profile of the characters on this list, but Sue Storm set the pace for modern female heroes – and still occupies a fairly unique place in comic books. While its true that early stories didn’t exactly serve Sue particularly well, she developed into the heart and soul of the Fantastic Four, serving as Marvel’s first family’s de facto – and literal – mother. And that may be one of the most crucial aspects of her character. While Sue Storm is powerful in her own right – many writers have said she’s got the most raw power of anyone on the FF – she also represents an important aspect of womanhood that many female heroes have sacrificed or had used against them – motherhood. That Sue can serve as one of the most respected heroes in the Marvel Universe (and it’s first female hero) while simultaneously raising two children and shepherding the growth of many more through the Future Foundation can’t be understated. Plus, it takes a pretty amazing woman to stand up to a blowhard like Reed Richards. Wonder Woman Diana of Themiscyra represents the best of mankind, and of womanhood. Strong, compassionate, fearless, and independent, as Wonder Woman Diana is a pillar of the Justice League and one of the greatest heroes and warriors in the entire DC Universe. And though her real world origins are complex, William Moulton Marston and his collaborators Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne created an equally complex character who would grow to become a feminist icon and the character that almost anyone in the world thinks of when you say “female superhero.
This week, Carrie and Kae discuss female superheroes/female leads in media, as well as Wonder Woman and the polygamous relationship of Dr. William “Bill” Moulton Marston, Elizabeth Marston, and Olive Byrne. This episode is sponsored by Anchor, the easiest way to make a podcast. Go to anchor.fm to get started today! Cover Art By: Landon Stinson Music By: Gisle Nybakk --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/talkcrooked/support
Leigh and Ellie dive into Professor Marston and the Wonder Women for this Lez-ssentials episode, a recurring segment on the essential movies and TV shows in the lesbian canon. Professor Marston and the Wonder Women is a 2017 movie about the polyamorous relationship between Professor William Marston, Elizabeth Marston and Olive Byrne told through the lens of Professor Marston's creation of the comic book character Wonder Woman. This film stars Luke Evans, Rebecca Hall and Bella Heathcote. Leigh and Ellie love this movie and have a lot to say about its thoughtful depiction of polyamory, kink, DISC theory and the power of love. Lez-ssentials comes complete with a Professor Marston drinking game because every lesbian movie should be accompanied by heavy drinking. This episode also comes with an original Lez-ssentials song based off of the movie titled "I'm A Wonder Woman." Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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The classic Wonder Woman comics are credited to a Charles Moulton. But that's a pseudonym.
Un énième blockbuster ? Non : l’histoire de la création du personnage de Wonder Woman dans les années 30. La célèbre héroïne est née de l’imagination du psychologue William Marston, inventeur du polygraphe, qui s’est inspiré de ses deux compagnes : sa femme Elizabeth et Olive Byrne, amante de ce couple fervent défenseur du polyamour. Loin du Captain America au féminin que le personnage est devenu par la suite, Wonder Woman portait alors un récit initiatique pour les jeunes lectrices, les invitant à prendre conscience de leurs pouvoirs au sein d’une société patriarcale. C’est avec cette fibre féministe que “My Wonder Women” veut renouer. Le projet très partisan envers les Marston, porté depuis longtemps par sa réalisatrice Angela Robinson, manque parfois d’un débat autour de la personnalité des créateurs qui l’aurait enrichi. Il reste malgré tout un bon film, pour tous les fans de culture pop. Podcast animé par Thomas Rozec avec Julien Dupuy. RÉFÉRENCES CITÉES DANS L’ÉMISSIONMy Wonder Women (Angela Robinson, 2018), The L Word (Ilene Chaiken, Showtime, 2004 - 2009), True Blood (Alan Ball, HBO, 2008 - 2014), Luke Evans, Rebecca hall, Bella Heathcote, D.E.B.S (Angela Robinson, 2005), Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017). CRÉDITSEnregistré le 11 avril 2018 à l’Antenne (Paris 11eme). Production : Binge Audio. Direction de production : Joël Ronez. Rédacteur en chef : David Carzon. Direction générale : Gabrielle Boeri-Charles. Moyens techniques : Binge Audio. Réalisation : Jules Krot. Chargée de production et d’édition : Camille Regache. Editrice : Albane Fily. Générique : "Soupir Articulé", Abstrackt Keal Agram (Tanguy Destable et Lionel Pierres). NoCiné est une production du réseau Binge Audio www.binge.audio.POUR ASSISTER AUX ENREGISTREMENTSPour assister à notre prochain enregistrement en public à L'Antenne Paris, rendez-vous sur notre page bingeaudio.eventbrite.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Professor Marston and the Wonder Women - Details the unconventional life of Dr. William Marston, the Harvard psychologist and inventor who helped invent the modern lie detector test and created Wonder Woman in 1941. Marston was in a polyamorous relationship with his wife Elizabeth, a psychologist and inventor in her own right, and Olive Byrne, a former student who became an academic. This relationship was key to the creation of Wonder Woman, as Elizabeth and Olive's feminist ideals were ingrained in the character from her creation. Marston died of skin cancer in 1947, but Elizabeth and Olive remained a couple and raised their and Marston's children together. The film is said to focus on how Marston dealt with the controversy surrounding Wonder Woman's creation.
Professor Marston and the Wonder Women - Details the unconventional life of Dr. William Marston, the Harvard psychologist and inventor who helped invent the modern lie detector test and created Wonder Woman in 1941. Marston was in a polyamorous relationship with his wife Elizabeth, a psychologist and inventor in her own right, and Olive Byrne, a former student who became an academic. This relationship was key to the creation of Wonder Woman, as Elizabeth and Olive's feminist ideals were ingrained in the character from her creation. Marston died of skin cancer in 1947, but Elizabeth and Olive remained a couple and raised their and Marston's children together. The film is said to focus on how Marston dealt with the controversy surrounding Wonder Woman's creation.
[// Pregenerate link to episode ahead of time: - clicktotweet.com- sharelinkgenerator.com]: # This week, in honour of International Women's Day, we're talking about an important fandom in the DC Comics universe. We're talking about that founding member of the Justice League, goddess, and Ambassador-at-Large of the Amazon people: Wonder Woman! And can you spot the swirls of cinnamon and sugar in every minute of next week's podcast? We'll be talking about fans of ... Breakfast Cereal? ## Episode outline ### Fandom Facts **History and Origins:** Wonder Woman is a character in the DC Comics universe and is a founding member of the Justice League. Her official title is Princess Diana of Themyscira, Daughter of Hippolyta but when blending into society outside of her homeland, she adopts the identity _Diana Prince_. She has several heroic abilities including superhuman strength, speed, durability, and longevity, accelerated healing factor, flight, and possesses a variety of interesting technology such as the Lasso of Truth, indestructible bracelets, and a tiara that she often uses as a projectile. Originally developed in 1941, she was created by American psychologist William Moulton Marston and artist Harry G Peter, and was heavily influenced by Olive Byrne, Marston's lover, his wife, Elizabeth Marston, and early feminists. Wonder Woman has been depicted in various media including the 1975 TV series, many animated series, and most recently, the 2017 movie. **Search Data:** Strangely, the most search data seems to be around Diana Prince rather than her superheroic name. That being said, [interest in the character had been almost flat (slight increase in interest)](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0sc7q) until approximately 2016 when there was a much more noticeable increase in interest (and notably, with the release of the 2017 movie as well). The top ten countries, by search volume, are: Puerto Rico, Brazil, Phillipines, United States, Singapore, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Taiwan, United Kingdom. **Fan Demographics:** Looking at Facebook data, [Brett Schenker dug into fans of Wonder Woman](http://www.comicsbeat.com/demographics-wonder-woman-around-the-world/) to draw some interesting data: - Overall, men made up about 52% of the population in the various countries, but accounted for almost 57% of the Wonder Woman fans - Most female Wonder Woman fans: South Korea (72%) - Most male Wonder Woman fans: India (88%) **Fast Facts:** - Archive of Our Own has over 800 fan works related to Wonder Woman - The majority of which are categorized as F/M (471) - The _vast_ majority deal with DC universe - Top 3 pairings: Diana / Trevor (247), Diana / Bruce Wayne (69), Diana / Steve Rogers (57) ### [Last Episode's](http://fanthropological.com/e/monty-python-fans-fans-and-toast-fans-and-eggs-fans-and-ham-fans-fans-fans/) Famous Last Words **Z** As we found in the Barbie episode... is there a Wonder Woman fan who strives to look like Wonder Woman (to the extreme)? **T** Is Wonder Woman more popular with men, or women? At what point did she lose her bizarre weaknesses (and was that influenced by the times)? [// About equal in popularity between men and women ]: # [// Aphrodite's Law: Not too long after her early incarnation; Marston liked bondage, and used Wonder Woman a bit as his opinion piece. Apparently, was tossed out at the start of the 'modern age' of comics in the 80s ]: # **G** Are there fans out there who see Wonder Woman as an American patriotic symbol? If so, how does that work? ### The Verdict [// I'm not going to ignore the fact that it's 3 dudes talking about feminism / wonder woman, often talking about issues's affecting women ]: # **T is in.** Hope is a very powerful motivator... and Wonder Woman has a lot of hope. **Z is out.** **G is in.** Will probably investigate some of the recent titles. ###
Professor Marston and the Wonder Women (2017) Pekita Trotamundos joins Frank to discuss Angela Robinson's new film about Wonder Woman creator William Moulton Marston, his wife Elizabeth, and their extended family member Olive Byrne (as portrayed by Luke Evans, Rebecca Hall & Bella Heathcote.) We also look deeper into the factual history of the Amazing Amazon's creation and charges of historical inaccuracy leveled against the docudrama. We don't have a Magic Sphere, so if you want to communicate with us about the podcast... Tweet host Diabolu Frank directly, or commune with @rolledspine as a group. Email Diabolu If the main Diana Prince as the New Wonder Woman blog isn't your thing, try the umbrella Rolled Spine Podcasts. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/diabolu-frank/message
Pekita Trotamundos joins Frank to discuss Angela Robinson’s new film about Wonder Woman creator William Moulton Marston, his wife Elizabeth, and their extended family member Olive Byrne (as portrayed by Luke Evans, Rebecca Hall & Bella Heathcote.) We also look deeper into the factual history of the Amazing Amazon’s creation and charges of historical inaccuracy leveled against the docudrama.We don’t have a Magic Sphere, so if you want to communicate with us about the podcast…Tweet host Diabolu Frank directly, or commune with @rolledspine as a group.Email DiaboluIf the main Diana Prince as the New Wonder Woman blog isn’t your thing, try the umbrella Rolled Spine Podcasts.
Becky, Tracy and Donelle reunite in order to discuss Professor Marston and the Wonder Women, the new bio pic focused on the lives of Wonder Woman creator William Marston, his wife Elizabeth and Olive Byrne. The trio dive into the truth behind the scenes and what those original Wonder Woman comics were really like
Llevaba mucho tiempo queriendo traeros una película dura de verdad con escenas de las que te obligan a apartar la mirada. Por eso os traigo “El crimen de Cuenca”, que además está basada en un hecho real y me permitirá hablaros de una mujer francamente admirable, la directora española Pilar Miró. En la sección “Giaccomic”, mi buen amigo Giacco nos trae novedades, una noticia, su opinión de los últimos trailers de Marvel y DC y a “Wonder Woman”. Nos hablará de William Moulton Marston (Charles Moulton) creador del polígrafo y de Wonder Woman, un psicólogo aliado feminista, marido de Elizabeth Holloway y que juntos con ella mantuvo una relación poliamorosa con Olive Byrne. Además, nos hablará también de la etapa de Wonder Woman que desarrollo George Pérez. En la sección “El verso libre” os traigo una canción muy bonita en catalán. Se trata de “Boig per tu” de Sau. Como siempre, primero os la leeré en catalán, después os leeré su traducción al castellano y finalmente podréis escuchar la bella canción interpretada por Sau sabiendo lo que significa la preciosa letra. En nuestra sección “A golpes de realidad”, por temas de horarios que os explico en el audio, me tenéis a mi solo. En esta ocasión os he hablado de (por desgracia) más terrorismo machista, la ley mordaza, Donald Trump, la corrupción política, la tragedia de Doñana o el CETA entre otros muchos temas de actualidad sociopolítica. Finalmente, en la sección “¿Qué fue de?” tras muchas semanas hablando de grandes pioneras científicas españolas, esta semana os hablo de la alemana Ida Tacke (más adelante Ida Noddack) precursora no reconocida de la fisión nuclear, descubridora del renio y 3 veces nominada al premio Nobel. Tiempos: Sección principal: del 00:02:35 al 01:21:39 Sección “Giaccomic”: del 01:22:39 al 02:20:21 Sección “El verso libre”: del 02:22:20 al 02:29:05 Sección “A golpes de realidad”: del 02:31:00 al 03:53:18 Sección “¿Qué fue de?”: del 03:55:50 al 04:47:09 Presentación, dirección, edición y montaje: Asier Menéndez Marín Colaborador: Giacco Diseño logo Podcast: Origami Tales (Anais Medina) Diseño logo Canal: Patrick Grau Si queréis formar parte del foro oficial de Facebook (secreto, solo con invitación) entrar en http://www.facebook.com/tobiasenmuth, nos podéis seguir en Twitter @Tobiasenmuth y si queréis estar al día de todo lo que sucede en el mundo del cine, visitar el blog http://tobiasenmuth.blog.com.es/ Canal de nuestra musa, la YouTuber Miare's Project: https://www.youtube.com/user/AchlysProject Nos hemos unido al #PodcastActionDay de @OxfamIntermon en apoyo a #derechoarefugio Entra y ayuda con tu firma http://bit.ly/PAD4REF2 Escucha el episodio completo en la app de iVoox, o descubre todo el catálogo de iVoox Originals
Is Wonder Woman as much a triumph for women within the Hollywood industry is it just a much-needed victory for Warner Bros. and the DCEU universe? Unlike the movies from its cinematic predecessors, Wonder Woman opened the weekend to prescreening praise and that highly sought after Rotten Tomatoes score. With so much animosity over the validity of critics these days and the effect they have on a film's opening success at the box office, one can indeed argue that good word of mouth can and will influence how a film is received by potential ticket buyers. Failures of titles like Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman placed a stigma on all future releases within this DC comic book movie franchise, but is it fair to judge a film based on the success of a franchise? As much bad wrap as those films received, they have a good return on investment, ultimately making that film a studio success. Wonder Woman, DC's first highly touted film, scored big with positive ratings from critics associated with the popular movie website Rotten Tomatoes. As much as they (the critics) decry accusations that sites such as RT have a negative effect on a film's opening success, the proof is in the pudding. Wonder Woman was certified fresh at 94% and performed better than the horribly rated Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and Baywatch which both opened a week before. Is the word of the critic word really that important, and if so are sites like Rotten Tomatoes inadvertently controlling the industry by proxy? Before She Was Wonder Woman, She Was Diana - REVIEW I found myself at odds with wanting to like this movie as much as everyone else LOVED this movie. I mean, it got a 94% percent on Rotten Tomatoes so I should like it right… right? That’s the odd nature of criticism and human behavior. It’s our nature to not want to be at odds with the masses-- to just accept whatever is popular instead of forming our own opinion or being truthful to our own opinion. A movie gets a horrible rating and automatically it's cemented in your mind that the aforementioned movie is a film you would rather not spend money to go and see. Access to such information has taken the risk out of watching movies. Whether you hate or love a movie, isn’t it more of the experience we seek to obtain? Or is it that we would rather save our money than take a chance on a film that may disappoint us? I was excited by the idea that Wonder Woman would be the best movie of the summer — even better than Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. That last scene in B vs V left me wanting more of the Amazonian warrior who faced off with Doomsday as Superman moped and Batman hid. However, it just didn’t rock my world as it apparently rocked for other people. All those positive reviews and movie was just okay. Sorry, status quo. When asked, “So what did you think?” I bit my tongue a little, I admit. Why? Because I believed my feelings towards this movie were maybe too subjective to really debate whether or not this iteration of Wonder Woman met my criteria as the Wonder Woman film I wanted to watch. Bre, a contributor to If three by space and friend, shared the same sentiment. Finally!, Someone else who thought the movie was meh. I’m usually very candid about my reactions towards a film, never really holding my tongue. I even waited to hear Bre's reaction before I could truthfully respond to her about whether I liked the movie. To my surprise, she too did not share in the hoopla that is Wonder Woman Praise Mania. Instead of disseminating my negative thoughts onto you. I wanted to understand why it is that I did not share the same sentiment about this take on the iconic 1/3 of the Superhero Trinity. Wonder Woman isn’t exactly an innovative film, especially within this overly saturated market of comic book inspired movies. Sure, it’s the first movie helmed by a female director featuring a female comic book character to gross over $100 million dollars. The accomplishment should be heralded as much as celebrated by every director and actor in the industry. However, we can’t focus on the success of this film as a solitary achievement that will change the nature of the film culture. The truth remains that this is just one film about a superhero that took many years to make primarily because studios didn’t want to take a risk. Only after her appearance in B vs S were they finally convinced that they could make money off of this character. Within the current narrative of the DC Universe movie, a stand-alone Wonder Woman film is just a life preserver floating atop an empty ocean. It doesn’t fit within the current narrative which began with Superman and continued into B vs S and should have just gone on with The Justice League. Opposite of Marvel, they would have to introduce the character after the debut of the ensemble team. However, WW was riding a wave of excitement and it was a smart business move to make a standalone film now instead of later when the fervor subsides. So, stop with the praise that this is a home run for female artists in the film industry. The numbers say it all and as of 2016, women comprised just 7 percent of all directors working on the top 250 domestic grossing films. Wonder Woman was poised to do well at the box office. Maybe not 100 million opening well but as with all the movies before it, Jenkins would have eventually obtained this title of a person who made a movie for a studio that grossed a lot of money. Consider the Fate of the Furious as a perfect example: There was this brief celebration of F. Gary Gray becoming the first black $1billion director. Kudos goes to the work he put in to make the film what it became but his efforts weren’t all that pushed this film to its incumbent success. The Furious franchise is eight films in and continues to perform no matter who is in the director's chair. Wonder Woman will eventually make a bazillion dollars but let’s not focus on solely on numbers, that’s studio mumbo jumbo, but rather the time and effort and vision of Patty Jenkins who never directed an action movie and her muse Gal Gadot who had some big red boots to fill; they deserve more respect for their efforts than an entrance into the all boys 100 million dollar club. Much of what other people liked about the movie or continue to blab on about, I did not particularly find impressive enough to consider an indifference to mainstream movie fandom. And as I tried to reason with myself about the supposed greatness of this film, I realized that it was all haberdashery; dressing up my opinion of the film to appeal to the overall consensus. Wonder Woman: The Good, The Bad, The Cheesy Wonder Woman wasn’t that great of a movie, however, I was interested in why I do not hold the same opinions as others. So, I read a few reviews and talked with a few people who also watched the movie and pulled from those resources and conversations good and bad aspects of the film that might help me form a different opinion of Wonder Woman on a second viewing. I am a firm believer that it takes more than one viewing to fully appreciate a film and with that, I am willing to sway my own opinion based on further insight into why people like this movie so much. Here, I debate a view arguments and positives about the film that struck as the more important conversational starters. DC Enters the Light Yes, Wonder Woman had endearing flirtatiousness with her naiveté fish out of water story beat. The scene on the boat with her and Trevor talking about sex was kinda funny until you listen to the dialog and realize Trevor the gentleman is really just a horny man dog. I didn’t necessarily need them to showcase their sexual attraction so openly. Diana had a mission and her mission was to destroy Ares. This flirty school girl/ guy routine was only a way to exploit Diana’s innocence for a joke. There was this wardrobe changing scene that was funny and more along the joke spectrum I consider effective enough to represent Diana’s adverse emersion into regular society. Using common stereotypes and customs that defined women during the 1930’s and 1940’s (and today) was a fun way to show not only Diana’s ignorance but strongly rooted Amazonian female roots and female empowerment. Female Empowerment Gadot handled herself quite impressively in the scenes where the omnipresence of men conflicted with her beliefs, and it was those vulnerable moments that identified with Diana’s key character trait; empathy. Diana Meet Steve: The Cheesy Rom-Com Y’know what’s sexier than a sex scene? Not having a sex scene. I mean c’mon, Diana just met Trevor and sure, in the heat of battle things can get a little hot and heavy but why does it have to end with her beckoning Trevor with a longing gaze as he closes the bedroom door. I would think any woman involved with this script would be like: "What? No… eww/" But I guess when the director renounces cheesy as a word, you get a scene like that. It’s like when Kevin and Winnie’s first kiss, and yes this is a Wonder Years analogy but it applies to all romantic comedies where two people in love want to be together but extenuating circumstances keep them apart. Ex. Felicity and Scott Speedman, Diane and Sam, Buffy and Angel. With all those examples, those couples had to endure many setbacks before they became a couple. The kiss between Winnie and Kevin only happens after Winnie disses him over and over again. The longing builds up the tension for the final moment or season ending episode when Kevin finds Winnie in a clearing sitting on a rock gazing off into nowhere. He drapes his jacket over Winne’s shoulders and holds her close with one arm around her shoulders. Slowly she’s drawn to him and their lips meet for that first kiss as When a Man Loves a Woman plays over the soundtrack. Picture the final moment of Wonder Woman with such a longing looming over Diana and Steve. One kiss and boom that’s all the sex those two needed — their relationship would transcend into something more, and that’s love, that’s a great scene. Here’s looking at you kid. It’s not that the supposed sex scene in Wonder Woman was cheesy, it just wasn’t necessary. Empathy and strength in the presence of adversity. The Origin Story Mashup: What works best towards the Wonder Woman narrative is all about how much you know. Diana is a princess, check. She was molded from clay, check. Zeus is her father, check. Trevor crashes onto the island of Thermasyoiuoiu, check. Diana fights in disguise to win an opportunity to join Trevor on a mission to the US, not checked. Diana loves Trevor, check. Wonder Woman didn’t come to save mankind, Diana was in love. The hero thing came after and the movie attempts to mold these ideas together to sculpt an imperfect god-like figure who could as easily destroy man and succumb to him just the same. George Perez created the Ares narrative in the first issue of the 1986 reboot of the series in which Wonder Woman doesn’t leave the island to chase after Steve Trevor but she leaves to fight Ares. As with all comic book movies, they usually pick and choose which storylines work the best for their project then find a way to tell a version of a story that appeals to the premise of selling tickets. Henceforth, why the plots of X-men, Suicide Squad, Spider-man 3, fail to work as a fully developed story ideas. Writers are usually asked to put too much into a two-hour movie and when doing so they add too much or leaving out a very crucial parts to a storyline that spanned my ten to twenty issues. No Man’s Land Arguably the best scene in the movie almost did not make it into the film. Here’s Patty Jenkins: It’s my favorite scene in the movie and it’s the most important scene in the movie. It’s also the scene that made the least sense to other people going in, which is why it’s a wonderful victory for me. I think that in superhero movies, they fight other people, they fight villains. So when I started to really hunker in on the significance of No Man’s Land, there were a couple people who were deeply confused, wondering, like, ‘Well, what is she going to do? How many bullets can she fight?’ And I kept saying, ‘It’s not about that. This is a different scene than that. This is a scene about her becoming Wonder Woman.’ I agree with her every word. When thinking subjectively about why something does or does not work we tend to not take into consideration the art of creating a moment like this. It’s not about how much sense it makes -- we all know there was no mystic Amazon warrior fighting battles in WWI. The No Man’s Land scene was more about the atrocities of war and sanctimony of battle. Diana would conquer the unconquerable, a stretch of land littered with hundreds of dead soldiers for the morally good, and not just to kill an enemy but to save the people. This particular fight was bigger than even Ares himself as in that moment Diana wore her heart outside of her chest fighting for the greater good and not the purpose of war. Scoop Du Jour One of the better stories about Wonder Woman stems from the origins of the comic book character and her creator Dr. William H. Marston. Jill Lepore, the author of the book The Secret History of Wonder Woman wrote an article for The Smithsonian which describes the scandalous beginnings of Wonder Woman and DC Comics. Marston was a jack of all trades, a psychologist, scientist, and lawyer who started his work with DC Comics in 1941. As a move to help curtail the onslaught of criticism from the media and watchdog groups, Maxwell Charles Gaines creator of DC Comics, took to an idea from Marston to create a female character who among the likes of Superman and Batman would help to soften the violence and sexual nature of the current pulp comic narrative. Little did Gaines know that Wonder Woman would bring him more attention than he so desired. The debut of the Diana from the mystic Amazonian Paradise Island was immediately met with overall disdain. The number one complaint: They didn’t like the way she was dressed. Too much skin, they shouted as they burned images of Wonder Woman clothed in nothing but a tight red top, underwear, a lasso, and boots. Burn the witch! Okay, it’s wasn’t that dramatic but isn’t the same type of anger expressed whenever a woman come outs against the status quo? Past the cover and onto page one clothing just the tip of the anger-berg. Images of bondage and not-so-subtle feminist messaging throughout the comic caused for a plea that the comic be remove from the shelves and restricted from children! Such vile content would warp the minds of the adolescence and cause them to commit horrible acts of debauchery in the future. Luckily Gaines, a physiologist, could defend Wonder Woman in reality as she defended herself on the page, but it was not easy. In this article, Lepore touches upon Marston and his relationship with his wife Elizabeth Holloway, and live in love affair, Olive Byrne. Their love story had nothing to do with Wonder Woman per say. The trio would manage to keep their polyamorous living situation a secret going so far as to introduce Byrne as a widowed cousin who needed a place to stay. Labels and stereotypes are used to keep people shackled to an idea of conformity, so instead of wearing a ring, Olive Byrne wore two bracelets. Marston, Byrne, and Holloway all had ties to the feminist Suffrage movement and when you consider this history, Wonder Woman the character — her meaning— takes a different shape as she may have been a character birthed from idea but she molded into a model of female empowerment that exemplifies struggle, strength, and overall empathy towards mankind. If you watched the movie, and happen to see the trailer, Professor M; that is this story made into film starring Luke Evans. Check it out. This, That, and Other News Teens rescued after spending three days in the catacombs beneath France. Sounds like a movie right? As Above, So Below is a found footage movie released back in 2014 about a couple of cataphiles who get lost in the maze that of the freaky underground tombs of Paris, France. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/europe/paris-catacombs-rescue/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottommedium Weekly Flavor Text: “Great girdle of Aphrodite!” she cries at one point. “Am I tired of being tied up!” Links: The Secret History of Wonder Woman Smithsonian Magazine: Wonder Woman Origin Story Film School Rejects Wonder Woman Review Film Schoo Rejects "Wonder Woman Champion Empathy Wired: Wonder Woman Origin Story i09: Why Super Heroes Exist How Wonder Woman Tackles Superheroes Movie Greatest Foe: Sexism Wonder Woman Is A Milestone But Shouldn't Be [x_recent_posts type="post" count="3" section="podcast" orientation="horizontal"]
[// Pregenerate link to episode ahead of time: - clicktotweet.com- sharelinkgenerator.com]: # This week, in honour of International Women's Day, we're talking about an important fandom in the DC Comics universe. We're talking about that founding member of the Justice League, goddess, and Ambassador-at-Large of the Amazon people: Wonder Woman! And can you spot the swirls of cinnamon and sugar in every minute of next week's podcast? We'll be talking about fans of ... Breakfast Cereal? ## Episode outline ### Fandom Facts **History and Origins:** Wonder Woman is a character in the DC Comics universe and is a founding member of the Justice League. Her official title is Princess Diana of Themyscira, Daughter of Hippolyta but when blending into society outside of her homeland, she adopts the identity _Diana Prince_. She has several heroic abilities including superhuman strength, speed, durability, and longevity, accelerated healing factor, flight, and possesses a variety of interesting technology such as the Lasso of Truth, indestructible bracelets, and a tiara that she often uses as a projectile. Originally developed in 1941, she was created by American psychologist William Moulton Marston and artist Harry G Peter, and was heavily influenced by Olive Byrne, Marston's lover, his wife, Elizabeth Marston, and early feminists. Wonder Woman has been depicted in various media including the 1975 TV series, many animated series, and most recently, the 2017 movie. **Search Data:** Strangely, the most search data seems to be around Diana Prince rather than her superheroic name. That being said, [interest in the character had been almost flat (slight increase in interest)](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0sc7q) until approximately 2016 when there was a much more noticeable increase in interest (and notably, with the release of the 2017 movie as well). The top ten countries, by search volume, are: Puerto Rico, Brazil, Phillipines, United States, Singapore, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Taiwan, United Kingdom. **Fan Demographics:** Looking at Facebook data, [Brett Schenker dug into fans of Wonder Woman](http://www.comicsbeat.com/demographics-wonder-woman-around-the-world/) to draw some interesting data: - Overall, men made up about 52% of the population in the various countries, but accounted for almost 57% of the Wonder Woman fans - Most female Wonder Woman fans: South Korea (72%) - Most male Wonder Woman fans: India (88%) **Fast Facts:** - Archive of Our Own has over 800 fan works related to Wonder Woman - The majority of which are categorized as F/M (471) - The _vast_ majority deal with DC universe - Top 3 pairings: Diana / Trevor (247), Diana / Bruce Wayne (69), Diana / Steve Rogers (57) ### [Last Episode's](http://fanthropological.com/e/monty-python-fans-fans-and-toast-fans-and-eggs-fans-and-ham-fans-fans-fans/) Famous Last Words **Z** As we found in the Barbie episode... is there a Wonder Woman fan who strives to look like Wonder Woman (to the extreme)? **T** Is Wonder Woman more popular with men, or women? At what point did she lose her bizarre weaknesses (and was that influenced by the times)? [// About equal in popularity between men and women ]: # [// Aphrodite's Law: Not too long after her early incarnation; Marston liked bondage, and used Wonder Woman a bit as his opinion piece. Apparently, was tossed out at the start of the 'modern age' of comics in the 80s ]: # **G** Are there fans out there who see Wonder Woman as an American patriotic symbol? If so, how does that work? ### The Verdict [// I'm not going to ignore the fact that it's 3 dudes talking about feminism / wonder woman, often talking about issues's affecting women ]: # **T is in.** Hope is a very powerful motivator... and Wonder Woman has a lot of hope. **Z is out.** **G is in.** Will probably investigate some of the recent titles. ###
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