Podcasts about Marron

¡Hola, cafeteros! Los compañeros Guille y Dani repasan las novedades del mes de febrero. Sección de noticias: - Comentamos Switch 2, - Extremely OK Games cancela Earthblade, - Silksong está "muy vivo", - Neva se retrasa al 18 de abril, - Comienza la campaña de Blasphemous: The Board Game, Sección de juegos digitales: - Basureroes: Invasion (30-01), - Rogue Waters (04-02), - Big Helmet Heroes (06-02), - I See Red (06-02), - La Suerte es un Casero (06-02), - Echoes of the Plum Grove (13-02), - Tiny Terry's Turbo Trip (13-02), - AfterLove EP (14-02), - Marron's Day (20-02), - Date Everything! (26-02), - Freddy Farmer (27-02), - Morsels (28-02), Sección de juegos físicos: - Double Dragon Collection (31-01), - Stories from Sol: The Gun-Dog (20-02), - El Escudero Valiente (21-02), - Bakeru (25-02), - Metal Slug Tactics (28-02), - SILT (28-02), ¿Vas a comprar en Wakkap? Usa el código UNCAFECONINTENDO y ahórrate un 5% en tu próxima compra (máximo 3€ de descuento) Visita nuestra TIENDA ONLINE en cafeconnintendo.redbubble.com APÓYANOS por lo que cuesta un café en https://uncafeconnintendo.wordpress.com/ Para estar informado del programa síguenos en nuestra cuenta de X @cafeconnintendo o Bluesky uncafeconnintendo.bsky.social Únete también a nuestra comunidad de Telegram solicitando un enlace de invitación en los comentarios del programa

Bonjour à tous, bonjour à toutes, je suis Lisa de La Clé des Champs, le Podcast qui donne la parole aux agriculteurs.Dans la série "le Jeu des 7 différences" je vous propose de tester vos connaissances agricoles et vous apprendre plus sur le sujet !Allez, c'est parti, aujourd'hui on découvre ensemble la différence entre les marrons et les châtaignes !Pour en savoir plus :Lire l'article sur notre blogRetrouvez-nous sur les réseaux sociaux : Facebook - Instagram - LinkedIn - TwitterSi cet épisode vous a plu, n'hésitez pas à laisser une note cinq étoiles. Ça m'aiderait énormément à faire connaître le podcast !Musique : Good Time Ukulele, Compositeur SmarTune Music.

On this episode of The Celtic Soul podcast we REWIND to pay tribute to Johnny Marron who passed away suddenly. Johnny chatted to host More than 90 Minutes Editor, Andrew Milne in the studio about his life following Celtic home and away, life growing up in the Gorbals and some of the characters and the famous past residents of the area as Covid restrictions lifted and Ange moved into the Celtic hot seat. .Born and Bred in the Gorbals, Johnny married Caroline and settled in Drogheda but his heart always remained in Glasgow and he continued to visit regularly to see Celtic and catch up with his mates in the Brazenhead from the Franks CSC until his sudden death. RIP Johnny Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rural Focus is back! First podcast of the year for Jan 13th is full to the brim. Leah talks Marron Fishing season with DPIRD, how to navigate solar door knockers with Sunwise, plus get the Cattle Market report thanks to Nutrien Ag Solutions. Tune in and listen live 10-12pm Monday to Friday or catchup in the afternoons with Rural Focus podcast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

durée : 00:03:43 - Les P'tits Bateaux - par : Camille Crosnier - Ne vous êtes-vous jamais demandé pourquoi le tronc des arbres était-il marron ? Catherine Lenne, botaniste physiologiste végétale à l'université de Clermont-Ferrand, nous explique tout. - invités : Catherine Lenne - Catherine Lenne : Chercheur en physiologie végétale. Maître de conférences à l'université Blaise Pascal de Clermont Ferrand. - réalisé par : Stéphanie TEXIER

Host Meg Wolitzer presents three stories in that look at some of the ways we “keep score” in life even though we know it's not a game.  Simon Rich explores the game as intergenerational competition in “The Tribal Rite of the Strombergs,” read by John Hodgman.  In Dylan Marron's “Some News,” a man carefully tracks an old friend on social media, while eyeing his own accomplishments.  Marron is the reader. And Joanne Harris' “Fule's Gold,” a teacher tries to put himself on the board—by stealing points from an unwitting student. The reader is Gildart Jackson.

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In this week's episode of the podcast, I'm joined by the amazing Lorraine Marron, also known as The Angel of the North. Together, we delve into the beautiful realms of angelic healing and Reiki, exploring how these two practices intertwine to bring spiritual guidance and deep healing.We chat about how to connect with your own angels, ways to invite their wisdom into your life, and how they can assist in your manifestation journey. Lorraine shares her insights on channelling angelic energy, using Reiki to balance the mind, body, and soul, and how you can work with these divine beings for daily support and clarity. If you're curious about tuning into angelic frequencies or want to learn more about healing energy, this episode is a treasure trove of spiritual goodness.You can follow Lorraine on Instagram at @theangelofthenorthDon't forget to use the exclusive podcast discount code “PODCAST” for 10% off at cannycrystals.co.uk!I hope that you enjoy this episode, please feel free to leave a comment or a review wherever you're listening from. Podcasting is free so this really does help me out!MANI-FEST NEWCASTLE 2025Canny Crystals LinksAffiliate LinksPlease rate, review and subscribe to, this Podcast.Don't forget to visit the websitewww.cannycrystals.co.ukwww.tiktok.com/@cannycrystalswww.instagram.com/cannycrystalswww.instagram.com/marttweedy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Il existe un championnat du monde du marron en Angleterre, et un grand scandale tourne autour du gagnant de cette année !

Marron, daim, bottes cavalières... Comment être de bon ton, branché, tout en respectant son budget et en faisant avec les aléas météorologiques ? Rachel Saadoddine plonge dans la garde-robe de la saison automne-hiver 2024-2025.

Join us this week on TechTalk as Dr. Jay and Brad interview their friend, Johann Marron. Johann Marron is the Principal & Creative Partner at Studio Grafo and the Advertising Manager at ChiroHealthUSA. Johann oversees the collaborative flow of work among all members of the team and leads the design/creative aspect of every project. He started his career in the creative field, working at some of the most recognized advertising agencies, such as Grey Advertising and Leo Burnett. He then “jumped to the client side,” where he spent many years championing marketing, marketing communications, and advertising for several companies. During the last twelve years, Studio Grafo has completed projects for more than 200 local and regional businesses in the US, Europe, Latin America, and Asia. Studio Grafo is a design studio located in Washington, D.C. that provides cross-platform marketing communications, advertising and graphic design to meet organization's needs. It's in their core to create the most innovative and effective visual communications, flawlessly and on time. For more information, visit Johann at https://studiografo.com/ or email him at johann@studiografo.com.

Eric Goldwyn of the Marron Institute's Transit Costs Project joins The Bond Buyer's Caitlin Devitt to talk about his latest report that offers five recommendations to speed up the delivery of high-speed trains in the U.S.

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Welcome back to Navigating New York. I am your host Sophie Colgan and this week I am thrilled to share my recent interview with two brilliant Irish women in NYC, Gemma Allen and Aisling Marron. Gemma and Aisling are both based  in NYC and it was so insightful to hear what life as a parent in NYC is like. We chat about the cultural differences in parenting between Ireland and America, the US school system, societal pressures on parents, work/life balance, making friends, babysitters, socializing, staying sane and more!Thank you to Gemma and Aisling for carving out time in their busy schedules to be guests on Navigating New York! Really grateful for their honesty, vulnerability and the tips and advice they shared on parenting in New York City. Gemma Allen is Director at USA Mason Hayes Curran, Contributor at Forbes and @Nasdaq.com | Advisory Board Barretstown LinkedInInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_gemmaverse/Aisling is a freelance Writer and you can subscribe to her substack ‘Notes from  New York' here: https://substack.com/@aislingmarronInstagram https://www.instagram.com/aislingmarron/Forbes ArticlesSupport the Show.Navigating New York is proudly sponsored by Amvoy Wealth: a Cross Border Financial Planning Firm specialising in assisting Irish citizens with financial interest in Ireland and the United States. Get in touch today: www.amvoywealth.comPlease rate & review wherever you listen. Thank you to my incredible video producer Adrian Mullan: https://www.ampedvision.com.au/Subscribe to Navigating New York Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@NavigatingNewYorkAnd if you would like to support the Podcast you can at buymeacoffee.com

Le Châtaignier, de son nom latin Castanea sativa, fait partie de la famille des fagacées, comme le Chêne et le Hêtre, ses prestigieux cousins. Pendant longtemps, les châtaignes séchées furent la base de l'alimentation dans certaines régions d'Europe, dans les endroits où la population était dépourvue d'agriculture céréalière. Le Châtaignier était alors considéré comme un arbre nourricier. En Méditerranée, il était également surnommé “pain des pauvres” car ses fruits remplaçaient les céréales en période de pénurie. Le Châtaignier est un arbre majestueux qui pousse vite, il peut atteindre 25 à 35 m. Le Châtaignier vit longtemps et peut dépasser le millénaire ! Ses feuilles contiennent beaucoup de tanins, des molécules végétales permettant aux plantes de se protéger contre les parasites. Ces arbres sont sensibles au gel de printemps, ont besoin de chaleur en été et d'eau en septembre. Les anciens disaient “au mois d'août, la châtaigne doit être dans un four, au mois de septembre dans un puits”. Le Marronnier est parfois confondu avec le Châtaignier. Mais ils ne sont pas du tout de la même famille. Le Châtaigner est un fagacée alors que le Marronnier est un Sapindaceae. Le Marronnier commun (Aesculus hippocastanum) est également Marronnier d'Inde, Marronnier faux-châtaignier ou encore Châtaignier des chevaux. Car les Chevaux mangent les marrons ! Le Marronnier, bien que très répandu en Europe et en Amérique du Nord, est classé vulnérable dans sa région d'origine, non pas l'Inde, mais dans les Balkans. _______  

In this episode, Dr. Ray Foxworth interviews Johann Marron, an ad man with a unique take on advertising innovation. They discuss Johann's journey into advertising, the role of economics and AI in marketing, and the power of experiences and branding. Johann emphasizes the importance of authenticity and democratized consumer participation. They explore AI's impact on creating graphic assets, personalizing content, and streamlining chiropractic practices with tools like ChiroAI. Johann shares insights from his multicultural background and the importance of resilience and mentorship in business growth.

Jamie welcomes gifted psychic medium Fernando Marron to provide a cold reading of Bethenny Frankel and together they explore her possible unconscious relationship to entrepreneurship, the Reality Reckoning, TikTok, her romantic relationships and much more. Follow @fernyesp and learn more about his work at fernandomarron.com.Follow @jamiestein and learn more about work at hollywoodreadings.com.Support the Show.

The Blues have finally brought the Shield home and we chat with the man himself Michael “Madge” Maguire and Captain of the Blues Jake Trbojevic,. We run the gauntlet and Ready being a Marron's fan has somethings to say about the win. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to Season 3! After a short break, we are so excited to be back and bringing you more impactful conversations with insightful (and qualified!) guests. This week Kayla chats to AWPT Alumni and Ambassadors, Lucy and Hannah all about their coaching journeys, trusting your gut and making decisions from a place of curiosity and trust rather than fear. CONNECT WITH LUCY: Instagram CONNECT WITH HANNAH: Instagram HOW YOU CAN SUPPORT THE SHOW: Subscribe, Rate & Review on Apple Podcasts Share to your IG stories Recommend the show to someone who might enjoy it! USE CODE: AWPTPODCAST for $200 off our AWPT 8 WEEK COURSE CONNECT WITH US: @awpt_university @hiit_it.fitness @kaylaleephysio

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Welterweight hope Ashley Marron joins Steve Lillis & John Evans on Bell 2 Bell E163. Unbeaten Ashley who bids for his seventh straight win on VIP's big Bolton show on June 29 makes his Bell 2 Bell debut. He talks British boxing's great rivalries and the Four Kings. Steve and John look back on the performances of Chris Billam-Smith and Jack Massey last weekend. Will small hall boxing suffer if there's a Saudi boxing league and a look ahead to this weekend's Lewis Crocker v Conah Walker.

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Bonjour à tous, je suis Tristan Laffontas et je suis ravi de vous accueillir dans ce nouvel épisode de mon podcast. En tant que fondateur de Pépite, je parcours inlassablement la France et parfois le monde pour sourcer les meilleurs produits directement auprès d'artisans producteurs d'exception, souvent recommandés par des chefs renommés. Mon rôle est crucial : je m'assure personnellement que chaque producteur respecte nos valeurs fondamentales, telles que la protection de l'environnement, la préservation de la santé et le respect des conditions de travail des employés. C'est une mission qui me tient à cœur et que je prends très au sérieux, passant parfois plusieurs jours avec les artisans pour vraiment comprendre leur métier et leur passion.Dans ce podcast, je vous partage mes découvertes et aujourd'hui, je suis particulièrement enthousiaste à l'idée de vous parler des marrons et des châtaignes. Vous pensez peut-être connaître la différence entre les deux, mais je suis sûr que je peux encore vous surprendre avec des détails méconnus que j'ai moi-même appris récemment. Je vais notamment vous expliquer pourquoi on utilise souvent le terme "marron" pour des produits qui sont en réalité des châtaignes, et comment ce terme s'est embourgeoisé au fil du temps.Ensuite, je vous ferai un petit focus sur l'aspect entrepreneurial de Pépite, où je vous dévoilerai les coulisses de l'entreprise et je répondrai à des questions fréquemment posées. Je vous parlerai aussi de Vidéo Ask, un outil interactif que j'utilise beaucoup sur mon site et qui suscite beaucoup de curiosité.Pour finir, je discuterai de notre décision de limiter le nombre de membres à 1000 chez Pépite. Cette décision stratégique n'a pas été prise à la légère et elle ne relève pas d'une simple tactique de marketing par FOMO. Elle est le résultat d'une réflexion approfondie sur la qualité de service que nous voulons garantir à nos membres et sur notre vision d'une croissance durable et responsable. Je vous expliquerai comment une expérience avec un éleveur de boeuf a renforcé ma conviction que limiter le nombre de membres est essentiel pour maintenir l'exclusivité et la satisfaction au sein de notre club.Je vous remercie d'avoir écouté et j'espère que vous avez apprécié ce voyage au cœur des marrons, des châtaignes et de l'entrepreneuriat conscient. N'hésitez pas à vous abonner à la newsletter de Pépite pour ne rien manquer de nos futures aventures gourmandes et entrepreneuriales. À bientôt pour de nouvelles découvertes !

We've all heard the adage: “Think globally, act locally.” Liza embodies that perspective. She came to the San Luis valley about 30 years ago to work on a buffalo ranch with her husband. Since then, she's lived a lot of life in this valley. Raising kids, horses, dogs, working as school board president and County Commissioner, and founding and running the San Luis Valley Local Foods Coalition are just a few of the things that have kept her busy over the years. Everyone around here knows her and admires her energy, intelligence, and positive approach to things. I'm really glad to be able to share this wonderful woman with you. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit chrisryan.substack.com/subscribe

durée : 00:03:43 - Les P'tits Bateaux - par : Camille Crosnier - Ne vous êtes-vous jamais demandé pourquoi le tronc des arbres était-il marron ? Catherine Lenne, botaniste physiologiste végétale à l'université de Clermont-Ferrand, nous explique tout. - invités : Catherine Lenne - Catherine Lenne : Chercheur en physiologie végétale. Maître de conférences à l'université Blaise Pascal de Clermont Ferrand. - réalisé par : Stéphanie TEXIER

About the authorBorn and raised in Sheffield, in the week before leaving school Matt was asked by his careers teacher, Mr. Marron, what he wanted to be when he left. When he replied that he wanted to be a writer, Mr Marron said "Well Coyne, I wanted to be Burt f*cking Reynolds". He then handed Matt an application form to become an apprentice fitter of gas cookers. Dreams suitably crushed, Matt became a poster-boy for staying in full-time education, by doing a succession of genuinely crappy jobs. Variously, he has been a toilet roll packer, turnstile-operator, cardboard box folder and a sorter of coat-hangers for Burton Menswear. Matt has been sacked a lot.After a couple of years, he returned to education to obtain an English degree from Manchester Metropolitan University. Completing his dissertation on French feminism in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. An academic piece of work that proved that Mr Marron was probably right all along.From University, Matt drifted into the graphic arts. As a graphic artist in Doncaster, he saw little of the glamorous side of design and his last task as a jobbing designer was to photoshop the weeds and cat-sh*t out of 24 pictures of block-paving. This was the job that, in 2007, led him to quit and set up his own print and design company. He has been serving the businesses of Sheffield with a consistently mediocre service ever since.In September 2015, Matt became a father for the first time, to Charlie. And woke up. After three months of dealing with the missile of chaos that is a newborn, he posted his thoughts online. And, in January 2016 these thoughts went viral. The original post was shared over a hundred thousand times and was featured in newspapers and on television across the world. (He even appeared on Australian breakfast TV, sandwiched between an item about a world record-breaking whip-cracker and a news story about a man who lost a toe on some dodgy patio furniture).Becoming a parent is the greatest, weirdest and most humbling thing that Matt, and his partner of twenty years Lyndsay, have ever experienced. And, if you read the above it's easy to see why. Not only has Charlie proved to be the love of their lives, he has also provided the inspiration for Matt to write about something that people want to read about.. and perhaps ultimately prove that Mr Marron was an idiot.In the months following the original post, Matt created a facebook blog page entitled Man vs Baby and has 150,000 followers who check in regularly to see his most recent parental discoveries and failures.Matt is also a singer/songwriter with the band 'Terry and Dead' and has appeared on compilation albums with Paul Heaton, Billy Bragg and Sleaford Mods. He also recently achieved online virulence with his letters to famous people and enjoys generally being a smartarse online.. where bigger boys can't hit you in the face.Matt lives in Sheffield with his son Charlie, his partner Lyndsay and a Jack Russell terrier with 'issues' called Eddie.Frank And Red is our March book club read. BUY FRANK AND RED HERE: https://amzn.to/3uCkyXVFacebook: /manversusbabyTwitter: @mattcoyneywww.manvsbaby.co.uk______________________________________Find out more: www.TheWritingCommunityChatShow.ComTHE WCCS – TOGETHER AS ONE WE GET IT DONE!If you would like to advertise your #book on the show, to enroll in a book launch interview, or to have a WCCS social media shout out, visit here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/TheWCCSFOLLOW US► Our website – https://www.thewritingcommunitychatshow.com► Universal link – https://linktr.ee/TheWCCS► Buy the show a coffee – https://www.buymeacoffee.com/TheWCCS► Use hashtag TheWritingCommunityChatShow or TheWCCS on social media to keep us current. This show will only succeed with your support!► Support us through Patreon – https://www.patreon.com/WCCS► For our FIVERR affiliate link click here (we will earn a little from you signing up through our link and more if you use the service. We back this service and have used it with great results! – https://fvrr.co/32SB6cs► For our PRO #WRITING AID affiliate link click here – https://prowritingaid.com/?afid=15286Hey! We have spent 3 years using StreamYard. You can see how much we love its features, and how we can make it look great for live streaming. We are huge fans and they are constantly improving their service. Check it out with our link and we could earn from referrals!https://streamyard.com/pal/d/4835638006775808Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-writing-community-chat-show--5445493/support.

This week Lynda Marron chats to Robert Kirkwood about her book Last Chance in Paris, a funny, moving, above all life-affirming story of a make-or-break trip to Paris by an Irish couple following a tragedy.  Plus we find some brand new audiobooks donated to the RNIB library.

Nicole Marron is a freelance editor and copywriter who turned her dreams of starting a business & traveling the world into a reality! In this episode, Nicole shares her story of how she overcame the inner and outer obstacles of starting her freelance business, pursuing her dream of becoming a digital nomad, and many other insights into traveling, writing, and self-love. This is such an inspiring episode for anyone who is a travel lover and/or on the path of building a life doing what you love!  If you enjoy this episode, please subscribe for future conversations! ==== NICOLE: Nicole Marron is a freelance copyeditor and proofreader, and her business is called Nicole Marron Editorial. She is a traveler who loves exploring new places, reading self help books, writing, walking, and feeling the sun on her face. Website: nicolemarron.com IG: nicolemarroneditorial LinkedIn: Nicole Marron AALIYAH: Website: aaliyahmadadi.com IG: aaliyahmadadi YouTube:  @AaliyahMadadi  ==== CHAPTERS 00:00 — becoming a digital nomad 24:00 — how to strengthen self-love and self-trust 26:30 — freedom in freelancing 30:33 — staying grounding while traveling the world 38:06 — tips for developing a writing practice 45:25 — overcoming fear of sharing your work

This week, Matty interviews Graham Cahill. You may know Graham from his hosting spot on 4WD 24/7.  Particularly with his recent side project “Off Grid” where Graham showcases traveling around the remote wilderness of Australia without access to anything but what you have on you. Well it turns out that Graham is also bowhunting mad, and has a fair few stories that are well worth listening to. A strong message that Graham shared throughout the podcast was to remember to keep it light-hearted and fun.  We all know bowhunting can be an absolute slugfest sometimes and this simple reminder can keep your froth for the lifestyle high.  Podcast topic: You don't have to be an influencer to enjoy this beautiful worldTime in the industry The size of the team and efforts behind 4WD 24/7Graham's favourite carFinding bowhunting Hunting in WAGood friends make hunting betterLiving off the shoulders of giants (not a short joke)That's not a western billy… This is a western BillyDon't forget the culturePlacebo or ghosts?The mighty Marron rush at Sue's river crossing And a whole freaking heap more… Find Graham: @ecomuseimages @4wd247 Find Becoming a Bowhunter: @becomingabowhunter.podcast @mattyafter Podcast sponsors: @dogandguncoffee https://www.dogandguncoffee.com/ Use checkout code BOWHUNTER for $10 off your next order ✌️ @kayuga_broadheads https://www.kayugabroadheads.com.au/ Use checkout code BAB10 for 10% off your next order ✌️

This week, Matty interviews Graham Cahill. You may know Graham from his hosting spot on 4WD 24/7.  Particularly with his recent side project “Off Grid” where Graham showcases traveling around the remote wilderness of Australia without access to anything but what you have on you. Well it turns out that Graham is also bowhunting mad, and has a fair few stories that are well worth listening to. A strong message that Graham shared throughout the podcast was to remember to keep it light-hearted and fun.  We all know bowhunting can be an absolute slugfest sometimes and this simple reminder can keep your froth for the lifestyle high.  Podcast topic: You don't have to be an influencer to enjoy this beautiful worldTime in the industry The size of the team and efforts behind 4WD 24/7Graham's favourite carFinding bowhunting Hunting in WAGood friends make hunting betterLiving off the shoulders of giants (not a short joke)That's not a western billy… This is a western BillyDon't forget the culturePlacebo or ghosts?The mighty Marron rush at Sue's river crossing And a whole freaking heap more… Find Graham: @ecomuseimages @4wd247 Find Becoming a Bowhunter: @becomingabowhunter.podcast @mattyafter Podcast sponsors: @dogandguncoffee https://www.dogandguncoffee.com/ Use checkout code BOWHUNTER for $10 off your next order ✌️ @kayuga_broadheads https://www.kayugabroadheads.com.au/ Use checkout code BAB10 for 10% off your next order ✌️

A Christmas classic just hit number 1 for the first time, and Marron 5's headed back to Las Vegas.

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It's all systems go before tomorrow's grand final. Collingwood take on the underdogs, Brisbane Lions. We chat to football broadcasting legend Brian Taylor and Channel 7's Abbey Holmes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The power of networking and relationships with multi-millionaires Kevin Marron & Levi Wanner. These are 2 of the best men I know and are both very successful in the Blue Collar Service business and Real Estate Development. Listen in to why we invest so much time and resources into our personal development, network and relationships

Kevin Marron AKA Gutter King talks about the journey of losing everything in 2008 and living on his brother's couch to building Gutter King into a $20,000,000 enterprise. In addition to Gutter King Kevin has been buying and scaling businesses to add to his business portfolio for nearly 20 years.

This week we have a wonderful guest, philanthropist, author and Washington Post columnist, Catie Marron. Her most recent book, Becoming A Gardener, is more than just gardening 101, but explores , among other things, personal reflection and practical advice on the core qualities that make a great gardener and the lifelong benefits it achieves. We chatted about her start in investment banking to her long career at Vogue Magazine spanning almost 20 years, during which she raised a family, authored 3 books, and maintained esteemed positions as New York's leading philanthropist. A Southampton resident for over 30 years, Catie also shares some personal past times with her family, what has inspired her passion for gardening, practical steps for a novice and reflects on how gardens have captivated her from a young age. On Instagram:@catiemarron@madeinthehamptonsmediamadeinthehamptonsmedia.com Thank you to our sponsors for this weeks episode : The Robert Allen Foundation, US Trust and Hamptons Air. Visit their website; www.hamptonsair.co or call 631-655-8120  and let them know “Made in the Hamptons” sent you today to receive $100 off on a Service Call or Maintenace agreement. On Instagram @hamptonsair

Today we welcome and feature special guest Fernando Marron who goes by "Ferny" onto the show. Ferny is a Professional Psychic Medium and Spiritual Teacher. Ferny is 100% authentic and tells it like it is. He's super passionate about helping others and he uses is abilities that he developed over the years to shine light onto others. In this episode, Ferny shares with us his journey from being a Starbucks - Store Manager to becoming a Professional Psychic Medium. Ferny has done over 40K readings in his career since 2014. Ferny teaches us what it means to be a psychic and how everyone has this ability. Tune in and learn how you can start to develop your own ability and how it can help you in your own life.

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Join us as we talk about all things you should give yourself permission to do in homeschool - change, quit, protect, trust, and say yes. Fall 2022 Season Sponsors   We are so grateful to our Fall 2022 Season Sponsors. Use the links below for their special offerings:   Blossom & Root and use code HSUnrefined15 for 15% off your purchase   Outschool and use code Unrefined for $20 off your first class    Night Zookeeper for a 7-day, risk-free trial, as well as 50% off an annual subscription  LTWs    Maren: Love Hard   Angela: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery   Connect with us!  Visit our website  Sign up for our newsletter and get our Top 100 Inclusive Book List We are listener supported! Support us on Patreon Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and see video episodes now on Youtube Angela on Instagram: @unrefinedangela | Maren on Instagram: @unrefinedmaren and @alwayslearningwithmaren  Email us any questions or feedback at homeschoolunrefined@gmail.com   Complete Episode Transcript   [00:00:09] Maren: hi, we're Mar and Angela of homeschool, unrefined. Over the past 25 years, we've been friends, teachers, homeschool parents and podcasters, together with our master's degrees and 20 years combined homeschooling. We're here to rethink homeschooling, learning, and education with an inclusive and authentic  [00:00:28] Angela: lens. [00:00:30] At Homeschool, unrefined, we prioritize things like giving yourself credit, building strong connections, respectful parenting, interest led playing and learning, learning differences, mental health, self care, and listening to and elevating LGBTQ plus and BI voices.  [00:00:48] Maren: We are here to encourage and support you. [00:00:51] Whether you're a new homeschooler, a veteran, you love curriculum, you're an unschooler. Whether all your kids are at home or all your kids are [00:01:00] at school or somewhere in between. Wherever you are on your journey, we are the voice in your head telling you, you're doing great, and so are your  [00:01:07] Angela: kids. This is episode 2 0 2. [00:01:11] You don't need our permission, but we are gonna talk about five things we should always allow ourselves to do, and then we are gonna end like we always do with our lt. Ws Loving this week. And before we get started, we wanted to let you know if you are listening to this the day it comes out on Monday, then tomorrow, December. [00:01:33] Sixth, we are going to be having our class in Patreon that's gonna be all about how to take a winter break. Mm-hmm. . And that is gonna be at one o'clock central. We'd love to have you there. It's gonna be informal. There's gonna be 30 minutes of us talking live, and then there's gonna be 15 minutes of q and a. [00:01:52] So if you'd like to join us, you can go to pat our Patreon links in the show notes and get set up there.  [00:01:57] Maren: Yes.  [00:01:59] All [00:02:00] of my kids' favorite classes they've taken have been from out school, which is one of the reasons we're thrilled to have them as a sponsor. We know that kids who love to learn don't just prepare for the future. [00:02:11] They create it. That's why Out School has reimagined online learning to empower kids and teens to expand their creativity, wonder and knowledge. Empathetic, passionate teachers encourage learners ages three to 18 to explore their. Connect with diverse peers from around the world and take an active role in leading their learning out. 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Blossom and Root currently offers curricula for pre-K through fifth grade with new levels being added in the future. Additionally, a three volume inclusive US history curriculum told from a variety of viewpoints is currently in development as of August, 2022. [00:04:43] Volume one is available for purchase and volume two is available for presale all profits from this history curriculum. A River of voices will be used to support storytellers and artists from historically excluded communities. [00:04:57] You can find samples, scope, and [00:05:00] sequences and information about each of their levels online@blossomandroute.com. You can also find them on Instagram at Blossom and Route. Blossom and has created a special discount for our listeners. Use the code Hs. Unrefined 15 at checkout for 15%  [00:05:18] Angela: off your purchase. All right, well, today we are talking about permission and how you don't actually need our permission to do some of the things we're gonna talk about, but we think we have a five different categories of things. [00:05:31] We think that you should allow yourself the permission to. Do when you're homeschooling. Exactly.  [00:05:38] Maren: These are things we wanna actually normalize. I think that was like our alternative title, like let's normalize these things, make them so that we don't even have to  [00:05:47] Angela: feel like we have to give ourselves permission. [00:05:51] Mm-hmm. , it's just something we do. It's normal. Well, I think like a lot of times the pressures of whatever, you know, the outside world. Yes. [00:06:00] Also, like the pressures you place on yourself mm-hmm. Can be can really like, weigh on you as you are thinking about some of these things.  [00:06:08] Maren: Yes. I do think we as homeschoolers often already feel like we're kind of outside of the norm a little bit. Yeah, right. We've, we've, we say this a lot on our podcast, like we have done something kind of going against green homeschooling, . Yeah. It's different, right? [00:06:25] And so sometimes we do feel like, well, we can't go way out. Let's not go  [00:06:30] Angela: way out there and do something even. There still has to be some standards.  [00:06:33] Maren: We have to have standards. And so let's do the standards that, you know, some of the standards that everybody else does too, right? Like it just feels a little safer. [00:06:41] It feels like it's socially acceptable and so, which is great. I, and I actually think that's okay to do that sometimes too. But I also want  [00:06:51] Angela: us  [00:06:52] Maren: to. Utilize the freedom we have in, you know, homeschoolers. We get to make decisions. The [00:07:00] reason a lot of times the reason why we, you know, decide to homeschool is so that we can make different choices for our family and we can do things that are healthier and better for our kids  [00:07:10] Angela: and for us, more  [00:07:12] Maren: personalized. [00:07:13] More personalized mm-hmm. . And yet we sometimes then shrug those choices off because it feels too much at that moment.  [00:07:19] Angela: Yes. Yes, definitely. So this, you know, this, we're doing this episode intentionally at the beginning of December because, you know, we're like three months into a school year here. Most of us are taking a holiday break coming up or a winter break. [00:07:34] And so you know, we're thinking about some of these things, but we wanna make sure, you know, if you listen to this in May or February or October, it still applies. Yes, because again, you don't need our permission, but we're telling you that you can do these things. You, you should allow yourself the permission to do these things anytime,  [00:07:52] Maren: anytime, anytime. [00:07:54] And, and it's important to think about them anytime, not just during a holiday or a, [00:08:00] you know. You know, a time off or something. Right? Right. It's important to like continue to, this is a living thing, .  [00:08:07] Angela: Right. Okay. So the first thing that we wanna give you or that you should give yourself permission to do is change. [00:08:13] And that can be a lot of different things. You can change how you school. You, you are allowed to do this. You are allowed to change the big picture things like going from homeschool to online school. You are allowed to put your kids in online school. Maybe homeschool just isn't working for you right now, or you need a little bit more support or a little bit more guidance. [00:08:33] It is okay to do that. It is also okay to switch from switch in the opposite direction. It is okay. If you are doing online school, it's not working, it's okay to switch to homeschool. It's okay to also put your kids in school. It's okay to also pull your kids from school. Yes, you can. You can do that anytime you feel like it's the right thing  [00:08:55] Maren: to do. [00:08:56] And change what's right for each kid. Maybe. I know it's, for me, [00:09:00] I really value making my life easier and I, my goal has always been we're all doing the same thing because when we're all doing the same thing, then I don't have to drive four kids to four  [00:09:13] Angela: different places or whatever. But realistically,  [00:09:15] Maren: my kids all have different needs. [00:09:17] Mm-hmm. . And so I, we have made changes to Yes. Logistically it's a little bit trickier for us to get to different places. But it is so much  [00:09:27] Angela: better for  [00:09:28] Maren: everyone, for the whole family when we're all in the place and, and doing the learning  [00:09:35] Angela: that works best for all. Right. So you made changes. Yes. And I think that's pretty common. [00:09:42] I would say like when your kids are younger, it's easier for you to do things altogether or all the same. Mm-hmm. . And then as they get older and their specific styles and needs emerge. Right. And, and desires. Like we want to accommodate [00:10:00] that. So that makes sense.  [00:10:01] Maren: And even within homeschool, maybe you need to switch co-op. [00:10:05] Fine. It's okay to do that. It's great. I mean, you're, I don't ever think of change as, as negative. It's like you're getting closer and closer to the, you know, you're, you're moving in the right direction. Yeah. You  [00:10:19] Angela: know more, now you know more, more about your child and what works or doesn't work in this season or forever, whatever. [00:10:26] And so it is good. It's a change is a. Right. Or maybe you're switching  [00:10:31] Maren: from,  [00:10:31] More of a, an unschool approach to more direct teaching approach or something like that. Maybe that is just what's right for you or vice versa. Mm-hmm. , you're going to more unschooling because that's how it's working for you right now. [00:10:45] I think that's great. And then also we need to just consider. What's the style that fits your child's needs the most? Mm-hmm. , and this can change over time too, as our kids mature, as their needs change as their interests change as their, as [00:11:00] they are a learning about themselves and, and, you know, in homeschool, you, they really do get to know themselves very well. [00:11:08] They're able to do that. And, and when they're able to verbalize that and. When you know more, you do the thing that works best then, right? And so, right.  [00:11:19] Angela: So what is your kid really into, like what are they, what do they do in their free time? What it really excites them? You could just do more of that, right? [00:11:27] If that's, if that what, if that's what would make things like come alive for them. You should allow yourself to do  [00:11:34] Maren: that. Right, right, right. And the style, you know, and when I say style, I don't always even mean you know, Active versus, you know, sitting at a table. It could also just be like your child listens to audiobooks or, you know, reads more audio audiobooks than ires. [00:11:53] Mm-hmm. great. Like pick up on that. And, and you can do more of the out your child does [00:12:00] math better on an app? Mm-hmm. than sitting at, you know, doing a book. Great. Mm-hmm. awesome. Pick up on that. My child loves to bake. We spent hours in the kitchen. Mm-hmm. still do . And so I think that that is, that's all learning and that can change. [00:12:19] Like you can make more time  [00:12:20] Angela: for that. For sure. Yep. And maybe you have learned that you need to either get out of the house more mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. And go on more adventures. Or maybe you've learned definitely that you've been outta the house too much and you need more time at home. You are allowed to like make your schedule, make your routines right to fit what works for you. [00:12:40] And it's okay to do that mid-year or mm-hmm. a month into the school year or whatever it, you don't have to. Yes. Like stick with something that's not working.  [00:12:49] Maren: Exactly. Exactly. Yep. All right. Let's move on to number two. Number two is you can give yourself permission to quit. Yes. Quit a variety of things and in a [00:13:00] variety of ways. [00:13:00] You can quit permanently. Something this is, this is just not for me. It's not happening, not for my kids. You can also quit. So, Indefinitely until we're ready, . Yeah. Yeah. Until we're ready to come back, we're quitting. Mm-hmm. . Yep.  [00:13:17] Angela: So I feel like this right now, like we said at the beginning of December, so I'm sure you're thinking of a break probably. [00:13:23] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And, you know, you might be thinking, yeah, we're taking two weeks off, we're taking three weeks off, we're taking a month off. You can, you should allow yourself to do that. You could also allow yourself to, you know, not come back till the end of January. Or whatever works for your family. [00:13:38] However much time you think everyone needs, you are not bound to this outside culture schedule. Yes. That everyone else is bound to . You know, maybe you want to do lots of out outdoor activities right now. That's fine. You can take the time to do that and then come back later for some more structure that you might, yes. [00:13:57] Yep. Yep. If you want that. [00:14:00]  [00:14:00] Maren: And quitting I think has a bad. It does. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . It feels like a fail, like failing sometimes in some ways, or it's been deemed that way  [00:14:12] Angela: by many people. Just never quitting. Never quitting is a thing.  [00:14:15] Maren: Never quit. You need to get rid of that. Right, right. Well, my kids need to learn persistence and how to, you know, work through something hard, which is true. [00:14:22] We get, you know, totally understand that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . And then also there is this, these skills in quitting. Mm-hmm. , like understanding yourself and listening to what you. Making a plan to quit. Like you don't, maybe you don't quit cold Turkey. Like right now, we're not, we're just  [00:14:35] Angela: with this, you know, maybe we finish out the semester Yes. [00:14:40] Piano lessons because we've already committed and paid mm-hmm. , but we know at the end of December we're gonna take a break.  [00:14:47] Maren: Yep. And Okay. I'm just gonna hear, I'm just gonna tell you a quick personal story. I won't get too detailed, but like, one of my, one of my kids just quit a sport and it was it was, it was really apparent led for a long time. [00:14:59] [00:15:00] Like we were, we were just like so excited for this child to like, join anything. And so we kind of coaxed them into it. They got, they got kinda  [00:15:07] Angela: excited for a while. Yep. Yep.  [00:15:10] Maren: And then you know, mid-semester, so it wasn't even at the end of anything. But it was just, we could tell it was just not worth the fight anymore. [00:15:20] Mm. It's just not worth the fight. And this child was communicating so well to us why this wasn't working for them. Mm. Yeah. And while we tried to stick it out to the end of the semester, it really didn't, like, the cus benefit wasn't, it just wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't worth it for us. And so we made the decision to stop mid-semester gasp. [00:15:42] I know, but it was the right thing. Yeah. For this child and  [00:15:46] Angela: for our family really. I like when you talked about cost benefit. I mean, I don't love that necessarily terminology, but I like that you're saying like, what, what is the cost here for us? Yeah. You know, this child's unhappiness are having to drag them out of [00:16:00] the. [00:16:00] Yeah. Our fighting relationship,  [00:16:02] Maren: right. It was causing anxiety to, and it wasn't the kind of anxiety that like, oh, if I overcome this, it's gonna feel so good. It was, if I overcome this, I'm just gonna be bitter at my parents a little bit. Yeah. And we were like, no, this is not worth it. That's actually counterproductive to what we're actually trying to, for sure. [00:16:22] So,  [00:16:24] Angela: So good job. Thank you. Okay. Our next category or I don't know, next thing. Mm-hmm. is protect. Our next word is protect. Mm-hmm. , something that you are allowed to do is protect your child's free time. Mm. Mm-hmm. and or screen time . Yes. I think. Coming into winter. We're in winter in North America. [00:16:44] Right. So like coming into winter is a time I think when we instinctually just need a lot of downtime. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. At least I do. Okay.  [00:16:54] Maren: Especially in northern in the Northern  [00:16:57] Angela: states as I'm watching it. [00:17:00] Snow immensely outside right now. That's all I can think about.  [00:17:03] Maren: like I just wanna hibernate. Yes.  [00:17:05] Angela: I wanna hibernate. [00:17:06] Yes. And I feel like, so. We are not good at, and I say we like the collective we, and I'm talking about me as well. Mm-hmm. not good at is protecting my kids free time and downtime. Yeah. And I think that is so important and I wish I had done a better job of that when my kids were little. I did get better as they got older. [00:17:23] Oh yeah. But I think that downtime where their minds can wander, they can do the thing they're excited about, they can have a chance to explore new things that they maybe don't know if they're interested in. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. that only happens with. Huge blocks of free time. That's so true. You are allowed to protect that for your child and not cram in all the different subjects. [00:17:47] Exactly. Because are all those different subjects more important than free time? I don't know. I don't think so. Right. And are  [00:17:53] Maren: they actually getting learned when you're cramming them in anyway? Yeah. Is the learning actually happening? Mm-hmm. , you're [00:18:00] getting things done. But that does not guarantee any sort of like internal long term learning. [00:18:10] Angela: You're not. That's how I remember a an episode we did like three years ago or four years ago, I don't remember, was about like how we don't choose what our kids. Yes. Make meaning out of or like Yes. Yes. Like we can put the information in front of them. Yep. But we don't get to decide like what stays in their head or what they choose to make meaning from. [00:18:29] Right. That's like something that they're doing or something that happens within them. So just because you're cramming in six subjects or whatever, I'm, I'm not saying you're doing that, that's extreme, but whatever. That doesn't mean that they're learning all of that, but exactly what they're, they are learning when they're at, when they're, when they have. [00:18:46] They are learning because they're choosing what they're doing. They're excited about it, they're into it. They're motivated by it. We know for sure that they're learning that.  [00:18:57] Maren: Yep. They, it's the best kind of learning and yeah, it's [00:19:00] the most internal learning and long-term learning. And the only part of that that's tough for parents is that you probably aren't choosing the topic. [00:19:11] But let me tell you, so. Let me give you a peace of mind here. It's not always about the topic. , when it comes to learning the topic is almost irrelevant. It's the practice of learning. The habit of thinking. Mm-hmm. that is happening. Mm-hmm. during that free time. Mm-hmm. , it's the processing. Mm-hmm. , they are learning how to learn. [00:19:35] Mm-hmm. and they are loving it. So they're associating learning. Positive vibes. Positive feelings, for sure. For sure. And so they are going to continue that habit. Mm-hmm. of learning, of asking questions, of figuring out the answer. All these things, they are going to keep doing that the, their rest of their lives. [00:19:56] Mm-hmm. , if they have that time to do it now and they're having [00:20:00] positive experiences. Yes. So give yourself all the credit for all the learning you're you and your kids are doing in their  [00:20:08] Angela: free time. Give your kids all the credit. . Yeah. Yeah. I also, I know we briefly touched on it, I wanna say protect screen time and mm-hmm. [00:20:16] I know this is controversial, but I'm just gonna say like, I think. A lot of screen time is really, really valuable and really important. My kids learn a lot through screen time. Mm-hmm. now my kids are older, but I have to say, like my son, for example watches a lot of YouTube videos that are about, I don't even know the category. [00:20:35] Geography. Yeah. Yeah. I think geography. Yes. And like politics happening within the different, like Oh totally. Countries or whatever. This is what he does for hours. He does this for hours. That's amazing because I love to see it. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, you should do that. I am doing it wanting to squander that at all. [00:20:55] Cuz he is deep diving into a subject that is interesting to him and he is learning a [00:21:00] lot by doing those deep dives. Right. I have to  [00:21:02] Maren: say my son is doing the same thing really about you. Oh, okay. We should talk about that together. Yeah. Two of 'em, because they probably love to talk about that, so, yeah. [00:21:12] That's great. Yeah. And, and they can, you know, watch YouTube videos together. I think that's so, so great.  [00:21:19] Angela: Yeah. I mean, and I do not wanna stop that. I do not wanna put a limit on that and say, oh, you need to turn that up. I know sometimes we need to, but I like, I know that his excitement and passion for this is so great right now. [00:21:32] Yes. And I am not stopping. Totally.  [00:21:34] Maren: I also, I wanna piggyback on that. My oldest is learning all about the history of Iran right now. All on her, all on her own, and the, and all of the, the, just the you know, women's rights and all that stuff, just. Just doing all the research all the time on that and comes to us and tells us all these facts and things, and I'm like, that's amazing. [00:21:57] Had we  [00:21:57] Angela: limited  [00:21:59] Maren: mm-hmm. That [00:22:00] time, it just wouldn't happen. So, you know, it's just amazing. And then I have one child who's just doing art all the time. Mm-hmm. on their screen, on their iPad, just it's art. It's this art app. Pen, you  [00:22:12] Angela: know, like  [00:22:13] Maren: a mm-hmm. . Yeah. So it's, and it's amazing stuff. It's like amazing stuff. [00:22:19] Yeah. And I just think, well, why,  [00:22:21] Angela: why would I like squander that,  [00:22:22] Maren: that mm-hmm. excitement for that thing, so. All right. Number four is trust. Trust your gut. Trust your gut on things. Mm-hmm. Trust  [00:22:31] Angela: yourself. Mm-hmm. and trust your. Say too. Yes. Yeah. You are allowed to do that because you know, like we always say, you know, you yourself and your family the best, right? [00:22:41] Mm-hmm. , and we know as parents, you have a gut feeling of if a thing is working or not. If we need to do more of something, if we need to do less of something, if we should change something up, like where's the. The excitement for our kids, and you know that, you know that better than any expert, right? Or, you know, grandparent or like friend [00:23:00] who's a teacher. [00:23:00] You, you know that for your kids and your family. You need to trust that.  [00:23:05] Maren: Yes, and I think there is like a good. I think it's great to do a little research if you need to or whatever, do what you need to do, but also don't overdo that. Like I think about it when, you know when our kids are sick or something and then we Google something and then, you know, suddenly we think they, you know, have a terminal illness or something because of the Google results. [00:23:24] Yeah, yeah. It just brings us to this very scary place when really our gut instincts is like, you know, I should just, you know, sometimes we have to just listen to our gut and be like, I should just. My child to the doctor or not. Yeah. What it's usually the right thing. Whatever your gut is about that is probably the right thing. [00:23:43] Bring to the doctor or don't, or whatever, you know? Mm-hmm. . And I think, I think it, it's the same thing with homeschooling. Like, just trust your gut. What do you, what do you see and notice and experience with your kids?  [00:23:56] Angela: Mm-hmm. , you have so much  [00:23:58] Maren: information [00:24:00] that is intangible that nobody  [00:24:02] Angela: else will be able  [00:24:04] Maren: to. [00:24:05] Will never know those things. Mm-hmm. and only you do .  [00:24:09] Angela: Yeah. Trust it for sure. I love that. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Our last one is say yes, you have permission to say yes. I think a lot of times us included talk about saying no and taking stuff off of our plate. And we also want to tell you that you are allowed to add more things or say yes more often when your kids are asking you to, if that is what you want to do. [00:24:35] And if that works for you, you are allowed to do that. You're allowed to. You know, have a fun adventure. One day you're allowed to have a mental health day. You know, you're allowed to play games together that day. You're allowed to do whatever it is that is going to bring joy to your homeschool. [00:24:56] You're allowed to do that. You're allowed to go off for ice cream. You're allowed to get coffee in the morning. [00:25:00] Whatever you need to inject a little passion is what you should.  [00:25:05] Maren: Yes. Exactly. And a lot of times your kids will be the ones to let you know. There's something like, mom, can we do this today? [00:25:14] Mm-hmm. , I mean, I would listen to that. Mm-hmm. , maybe it's not a yes, but maybe there's something that you can, that you can say yes to around that. Mm-hmm. . But it might just be a little indicator that there's something that you could do. Yeah. For sure.  [00:25:28] Angela: All right. All right. We hope that was, That was kind of, this is like our favorite thing to talk about. [00:25:35] Yeah. We, we could talk forever. We had to coach ourselves to not talk so much. So. Yep. Exactly. Hope that was helpful for you. All right, let's move on to our loving this week. Okay. Marron what? Loving this week. All right.  [00:25:48] Maren: I'm loving a movie. It actually came out last. Holiday season, it's called Love Hard. [00:25:54] Okay. It's on Netflix. It is a pretty cheesy romcom, [00:26:00] actually but it is just, it's just such a great movie to sit down, curl up the blanket and enjoy brainless, basically. But it's so much fun, you know, it's like you don't have to think about it at all. You can just like eat it up like candy.  [00:26:15] Angela: Mm-hmm. . So this is about, I'm trying to remember, cause I did watch this last year and I loved it. [00:26:20] So if you're looking for a good holiday flick, this could be Yes. The, you know, like comfort flick you wanted? Yes. It, it  [00:26:28] Maren: just says it's an la Okay. I'll just read it quick. An LA girl, this is from imdb.com. An LA girl, unlucky in Love falls for an East coast guy on a dating app. Yeah. And decides to surprise him for the holidays. [00:26:40] Only to discover that she's  [00:26:42] Angela: been catfished. Yeah, she catfishing. Ok. Yeah.  [00:26:46] Maren: Yes. So it's very lighthearted and fun. And actually I just, I enjoyed it probably more this year than I did last year. I watched it again. Awesome. And I watched it with some of my kids. It does say TV A but [00:27:00] I would say it's probably more like PG 13, to be honest. [00:27:03] Yeah.  [00:27:03] Angela: It's like a PG 13. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah. There's no like, [00:27:07] Maren: No rated R stuff. No, I wouldn't, I don't think so. There's probably some swearing I would  [00:27:12] get.  [00:27:12] Angela: I think that's what it's, yeah. Yes. Alright. Thanks for sharing that. All right, Angela, what do you loving this week? I also have a movie, . Okay, great. Love it. This is called Glass Onion, A Knives Out story. Yay. [00:27:26] Yay. So this is basically knives. If you saw knives Out. Wow. Like two years ago,  [00:27:32] Maren: Martin, was that two? Oh, you know it's been three. It's been three. It was 2019. Wow.  [00:27:37] Angela: Yeah. Okay. Well if you haven't seen the first Knives out, you should definitely see that this is the second Knives out. We sat in the theater with family. [00:27:44] This is perfect. If you have, I would say teens or even. Between and up. Because it's like, it's a murder mystery, right? That's what it is. Mm-hmm. . But it's done in this a really fun, in innovative new way. It's also, okay. So [00:28:00] there's the only continuing character from the first Knives out movie is the Detective Daniel Craig. [00:28:06] He's the same. Okay. Otherwise they have a whole new cast of characters. Wow. And they're all. People, you know. Oh, you know, all kind of coming together. Playing kinda  [00:28:16] Maren: the last one  [00:28:16] Angela: too. A new funny. Yeah. These funny characters. These like unique characters. This Kate Hudson and Oh, fun. Yeah. You know, . Okay, I should have looked this up. [00:28:26] You know, the guy from Hamilton, the good singer. Okay. You  [00:28:30] Maren: know? Yes. Okay. I'm gonna look it up. Oh, Janelle, Moe. Yeah. Is in here. Leslie Oum Jr.  [00:28:37] Angela: Leslie oum Jr. [00:28:38] Thank you. Like I knew it term with an L. Yep. Okay. Anyway, and what I liked about it, which I think like could have been done poorly, but they did it right, was they talked about the pandemic. It's like said in the pandemic. That's great. And so there's like funny references to it that we can laugh about a little bit, little bit. [00:28:59] Right. Like  [00:28:59] Maren: [00:29:00] fun. Yes, exactly. And we can process through it. Yes.  [00:29:02] Angela: Yes. . So I actually, I liked that it was like, it was good to see that . Okay, great. So I think I think it's just a good time. And I heard it's coming to Netflix in like a few weeks  [00:29:13] Maren: very soon. Yeah. It was just out in theaters for a short time, so I'm glad you got to see it. [00:29:17] We really wanted to, but it didn't work out. So I'm really looking forward to this.  [00:29:21] Angela: All right. Thank you everybody for being here. [00:29:23] Thank you to our three sponsors, blossom and Ru Out School and Night Zoo Zookeeper. Be sure to check out their links in our show notes. [00:29:31] Maren: This podcast is created and hosted by Angela Sizer and Marrin Goerss. . We are listeners supported to get extra content and the Back to School Summit free with your membership. Go to patreon.com/homeschool unrefined. Subscribe to our newsletter and get our free top 100 inclusive booklist@homeschoolunrefined.com slash new. 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[00:00:31] Angela: At Homeschool, Unrefined, we prioritize things like giving yourselves credit, building strong connections, respectful parenting, interest led playing and learning, learning differences, mental health, self care, and listening to and elevating lgbtq plus and bipo voices.  [00:00:50] Maren: We are here to encourage and support you whether you are a new homeschooler, a veteran, you love curriculum, you're an unschooler. Whether all your kids are at [00:01:00] home, or all your kids are in school, or somewhere in between. [00:01:03] Wherever you are on your journey, we're the voice in your head telling you, you're doing great, and so are  [00:01:09] Angela: your. This is episode 1 99, Quirky Kids. We're gonna talk all about quirky kids and why that's a good thing and how to foster it, and then we are gonna end like we always do with our l t Ws Loving this week.  [00:01:24] Maren: All right everyone. We wanted to give a big announcement. We have unlocked our Patreon class series, what we don't do, and we're so, so excited about it. So this is just for our Patreon Super Squad members. We do monthly live classes, and our new class series is called What We Don't Do The first class is sitting on for long for lessons and we just finished that class and it was really wonderful you, if you join our Patreon Super Squad today. [00:01:52] You're going to get that class immediately. It's available. It was live, and you'll get it immediately. And then you'll continue to get [00:02:00] li one live class per month. And the recording of that class?  [00:02:04] Angela: Yes. And the next class after that is about winter break. Mm-hmm. between  [00:02:10] Maren: everybody will be thinking of probably in December. Important? Yes, definitely.  [00:02:14] If you've listened to our  [00:02:15] Angela: podcast, you know, we are passionate about outsourcing. [00:02:18] In Homeschool Out school has been one of our favorite ways to outsource. 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That's a great deal if you ask me.  [00:04:17] Angela: If you've been around a while, you know we are picky about curriculum and that's why we are excited to partner with Blossom and Rut. [00:04:24] Blossom and Rut is a nature focused secular homeschool curriculum focusing on creativity, science, nature, literature, and the arts. Blossom and Rut has been gently encouraging and supporting homeschool families around the globe since 2016. Blossom. And Rhett currently offers curricula for pre-K through fifth grade with new levels being added in the. [00:04:46] Additionally, a three volume inclusive US history curriculum told from a variety of viewpoints is currently in development as of August, 2022. Volume one is available for purchase and volume two is available on presale All [00:05:00] profits from this history curriculum. A River of Voices will be used to support storytellers and artists from historically excluded communities. [00:05:07] You can find samples with scope and sequences and information about each of their levels online at Blossom and Rhett dot. You can also find them on Instagram at Blossom and Ru Blossom and Writ has created a special discount for our listeners. Use the code Hs. Unrefined 15 at checkout for 15% off your purchase. [00:05:29] Maren: All right, Angela, let's dive into our main topic today, which is quirky kids.  [00:05:34] Angela: Yeah. I'm excited to talk  [00:05:35] Maren: about this. Very excited because I think, I think you and I agree, having quirky kids is one of the greatest. Things that could, I think, that could come out of homeschool.  [00:05:46] Angela: What do you think? Yeah. Yes, for  [00:05:48] Maren: sure. [00:05:48] We love having quirky kids. I think they're a gift to the world. And it feels, it feels like, you know, you are really getting authenticity for [00:06:00] sure when you, when you see the corino come out of kids. People in general,  [00:06:05] Angela: for sure. Right. Yeah. Let's talk about what quirky kids are, because I feel like this is a word that maybe gets thrown out a lot and people have different definitions. [00:06:12] Right. But what we're talking about when we talk about quirky kids is kids who follow their interests Mm mm-hmm. and are confident in what they love.  [00:06:21] Maren: Yeah. And they're really just, like you said, a confident and really just okay. Being themselves, like happy to be who they are. Mm-hmm. Accepting and accepting of other people too. [00:06:33] I think it, it just kind of goes along with that as well.  [00:06:36] Angela: For sure. For sure. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And they're not much paying attention to, you know, the out necessarily what other people are saying. They've got the they've got the freedom to follow their interests because they're homeschooling and they've got the freedom to just be gen, just be genuine and authentically who they are. [00:06:57] Right? And I just think that is a real gift that [00:07:00] comes outta homeschooling. I mean, Obviously there are quirky cut kids who go to traditional school as well. Right. And I think that's great too. But I think in homeschool your, your quirkiness can really shine . I think it's safe in a way that it can't Yes. [00:07:15] In  [00:07:16] Maren: public school. Yes. Yeah. It's safe at home. I mean, it's safe to do it. I think there is a little bit, it feels a little bit unsafe when you're around people who maybe aren't as accept.  [00:07:27] Angela: Right. All those, or you're afraid might judge you for your union  [00:07:31] Maren: interest. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. And yeah, so we love that our kids show  [00:07:37] Angela: their quirky side. [00:07:38] Maren: And it could be maybe they're like super interested in something that they, and  [00:07:43] Angela: they're, they show it up to everyone or or they  [00:07:46] Maren: just get into it or they just get into it. And I think it's just like an unapologetic love for whatever. Yeah. I think that's so great. And this can en encompass, I think, neuro divergent and neurotypical kids. [00:07:56] I think sometimes it, there's this label that it's a, [00:08:00] you know, maybe this, there's neuro divergence and I don't think that's always the case. I think a lot of times it's not. Yeah.  [00:08:06] Angela: It can be, it, it is. I mean, I think a lot of neuro divergent kids are quirky for sure. But then so are a lot of neurotypical kids. [00:08:13] Absolutely.  [00:08:14] Maren: Absolutely. Yeah. So we're talking about all  [00:08:17] Angela: kids for sure. So why do you think Marron, that it's good? Mm-hmm. to have quirky kids, especially when they're  [00:08:26] Maren: younger. Okay. Let's start with when they're younger because I , I think kids. Into the habit when they're younger, they get into the habit of being themselves. [00:08:35] Yes. It normalizes being unique. Mm-hmm. It celebrates being unique. Mm-hmm. . Being different and having different interests than your friends is the norm. It's just what? It's, it's life. . Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And I think once you get into that habit, and that's your reality when you're a kid mm-hmm. then growing up, it [00:09:00] feels a little, it feels a little  [00:09:02] Angela: off if it's  [00:09:03] Maren: not like that. [00:09:04] And so I like that our kids grow up expecting that everybody's gonna be d. And you need, And I think it creates an acceptance of a variety, not just quirkiness, but I mean any kind of Yeah. Difference diversity. Mm-hmm. of any sort. Like there is just like this understanding that we are all different mm-hmm. [00:09:26] and we appreciate  [00:09:28] Angela: differences. Yes. And I really like that. I love that too. I think I think it's joyful to see kids when they are young. Being an old, but we're talking about young kids. Yeah. Being into what they're really into. I mean, it is, I don't know. I mean, I know that I've seen my own kids and other kids. [00:09:47] Mm-hmm. excitedly. Tell me about the thing that they're into or excitedly tell whoever is willing to listen about the thing that they're into and that is So special at a young age and something that sometimes [00:10:00] gets squashed as kids get older. But you're right, if we can normalize it and expect it, Yeah. [00:10:07] Then if they aren't doing that, maybe it will feel off to them.  [00:10:11] Maren: I also, I also think, yes, like you said, it's, it's brings this joy, it spreads this joy, and that is like this love. Learning. I would, I would call it learning. Mm-hmm. , it's living, you know? Yeah, yeah. And it's contagious, I think. I think it's contagious. [00:10:29] So when, when kids are cookie, they're just really in their zone or whatever, and they're spreading this joy, it's just that is priceless. And I don't know. Just having that experience is, is, is so powerful. It's so powerful. It's so good for us. It's good for us as adults to be influenced  [00:10:46] Angela: by that . Oh yes, for sure. [00:10:49] Because that is Well, I'll just speak for myself. Mm-hmm. , I mean, that has been, you know, what's the word? Like Kind of drummed out of me as I [00:11:00] as I age. Right. Okay. Yeah. , Go ahead. I mean, so like, I mean, at least when I was a kid mm-hmm. , there were a few categories of things that were acceptable to be interested in or that were presented as possible interest, you know? [00:11:14] Right. Not that it was even acceptable or not, but that just like I knew about things I knew about that you could be interested in mm-hmm. . And so I don't know that I've really developed my quirkiness Yeah. Yeah. Until I've gotten older. Yep. Really. And like been okay. It's been okay with whatever it is. [00:11:32] Yep. And so true calling things weird or different or guilty pleasures or whatever, I don't know, but just like accepting of who, what things you're really into. Well,  [00:11:44] Maren: I think there is a point too, even now, like we, we know this, we know being, you know, having this quirkiness is so good and you, and we love the uniqueness, but I think what even today, like there is a. [00:11:57] Quirkiness when kids are little. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . [00:12:00] And then at some point we  [00:12:02] Angela: start to  [00:12:04] Maren: not get excited about their quirkiness. Now we need to like, let's be done with all it in whatever, reign it in. And now you have to like kind of get in line a little bit. So why do you think it's, why, why is it good for older kids to also have  [00:12:20] Angela: this quirkiness? [00:12:21] Well, okay, I'm, I think because then they are, First of all, being themselves. I mean, that is so important that everybody feels comfort, comfortable being themselves, right? Yes. Liking what you like, liking, knowing what you're interested in. Mm-hmm. , I think just knowing the things that are exciting to you. [00:12:40] Mm-hmm. knowing that when you're older, like let's say a teen I think is priceless. I think that's priceless. Because otherwise, You know, I just think it makes you more confident. I think it makes you know more about, and I hate to always make this the end goal, but like, what you [00:13:00] wanna do in the future. [00:13:00] Mm-hmm. . And that's not the end goal, but you know, like yeah. What kind of job might be interesting to you? I think it's, it's easier. What kind of things do I wanna study? Do I wanna take classes about a certain thing? You know? I think it's easier. Be confident and know what those things are. Yes. [00:13:17] Instead of being more lost.  [00:13:19] Maren: Well, I wouldn't even say it, Angela. I don't think it's necessarily an end goal. I think what you're saying is just like we do spend a lot of time at our jobs , you know, when we're an adult. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and it would be great to hone in on something that you. You know, is, is really in line with your values and your interests and your skills and, and your experiences and things like that. [00:13:42] And it, it might not be permanent. You know, we know, we know that many people switch jobs  [00:13:48] Angela: and careers throughout their, their lives.  [00:13:50] Maren: So it's not necessarily  [00:13:51] an  [00:13:51] Angela: ending, but it is, like, there are,  [00:13:53] Maren: you know, there's a, certainly a commitment level, you know, to jobs. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . So I think it's, we know, we [00:14:00] know how much, you know, our jobs. [00:14:03] Have influenced us and, you know, affected us. And so it's so good to know to even get close closer Yeah. To something that you, you wanna do. Ah, it's so good. So just to, to have that self knowledge and awareness is so, so  [00:14:20] Angela: key, right? Mm-hmm. . And I think, I think what I meant by. Not making it the end. Mm. It's just that like, I know so many adult, well mean well meaning adults. [00:14:32] Mm-hmm. , you know, put pressure on kids from the time that they're little Yes. To, and asking them like, What do you wanna do when you grow up like this?  [00:14:40] Maren: What do you wanna do with your life? Yeah. You know? Yeah. From kindergarten. Yes. What's, what do you wanna do? A job.  [00:14:46] Angela: Yeah. Right. It's a lot. So so I guess that's what I meant. [00:14:49] Yes. But you're right. I know. It is, it is important because your job is a lot of your life when you're older. So,  [00:14:56] Maren: I mean, and, and when you are, when you're a teen, you [00:15:00] really are thinking about that. You know, it's not like Yeah. Not like a, you know, a far off thing, like from when you are in preschooler mm-hmm. [00:15:07] it's like, no, I mean, this isn't a. I gotta think about this. Yeah. I should, I should be thinking and planning. Right? But I also think it affects your whole life in that way too. It's like you get to kind of curate this life that works best for you too. It's not even just doing what you like, but like having the habits that work best for the way your brain works. [00:15:28] It's all so good, and  [00:15:30] Angela: I think that knowing the way that you learn, knowing the way  [00:15:32] Maren: that you learn, knowing the way you, that you organize, knowing the way that you know, you need to set up your, I don't know, set up your kitchen . They're just, or just set up your life. Set up your life friends. These are the type of friends that you know, help me thrive in my life. [00:15:49] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . These are some of the things that I just, you know, need to have in place. Those are all things that like, I think help when you are fostering this, you know, quirkiness in your kids.  [00:15:59] Angela: For sure. [00:16:00] For sure. Yeah. I also think definitely. You know, in the teen years. Mm-hmm. friends are important. [00:16:06] Peers are important, Yes. And I just think if, if your child is comfortable with themselves and with their unique interests and who they are, I think that has such a positive effect on the other kids around them. Absolutely. Do you see somebody being themselves? It is so inspiring. Yeah. It's, to me for sure, like I see somebody into something cool that I hadn't, you know, Thought about before or just being unapologetically themselves. [00:16:36] Yeah. I feel so inspired to do that myself. Yes, yes, yes. So I think that's really, really key. And to find friends  [00:16:45] Maren: who accept, accept each other for their quirkiness. . Right. That is, that's so, that's so key too. And that like, kind of goes back that we talked about how important it is, you know, it's how great it is that our kids are, you know, so unique and quirky when they're young, [00:17:00] so that when they're older they're like, Hey, like if there is a friendship that's happening and there isn't that acceptance or something's off, then they feel that they're like, This doesn't feel right because mm-hmm. [00:17:09] I'm just, you know, I am, I am this person. If you don't like it, then that's, there's something. You're not accepting about me or whatever. And there can be dialogue about that, but it's good to understand. Mm-hmm. . Yeah.  [00:17:21] Angela: So, So, okay. How do you think we should foster quirkiness in kids?  [00:17:26] That's a big question. [00:17:28] Yeah. I wanna say, first off, I think if you're homeschooling, if you're listening to this and you're homeschooling, I think you're already probably doing it. You know, I mean, I think homeschooling in and of itself is helpful in that way because everything is kind of personalized already, probably are you know, gearing things towards their interests. [00:17:46] They probably have time to their interest. , they have time for the things that they're interested in. Yep. And so I think you're probably already doing it.  [00:17:54] Maren: Yes. Yes. That is so true. Yeah. I was just gonna say, I think that was like, I think that's the [00:18:00] biggest thing that contributed, you know, for my kids is just time to be themselves. [00:18:07] Time to play they way, the way they wanted to play and just  [00:18:11] Angela: grow  [00:18:12] Maren: their pretend world. You know, and, and without without constraint.  [00:18:19] Angela: for so long, I hadn't thought about that, but time. Mm-hmm. , you're right, because kids when they're in school are so busy. They are so busy with school, you know, during the day and homework and then fitting in other activities. [00:18:33] That, and family time and sleep and homework. Yes. It's just, it's hard to really develop your interests. When you're  [00:18:40] Maren: in school and it's, Yes. And it's not just a practical thing. It's not, It's not just the time, but it, the time is communicating, I think, to the kids. Mm-hmm. , the most important thing for you to do is to do the things that the adults are telling you to do all day long, you know, or whatever. [00:18:57] Mm-hmm. , that's the important thing. [00:19:00] Prioritize that. Yeah. Don't prioritize your own interests and who you are as a person. Mm-hmm. . And I think that that is a mistake. Yeah. We need to communicate with our time. Mm-hmm. our priorities.  [00:19:14] Angela: Yes. And  [00:19:15] Maren: so for our, you know, our priorities, for me, my priorities for our kids was to be themselves, be creative. [00:19:24] Mm-hmm. , love learning. Mm-hmm. , enjoy the way they love learning, and be curious and just go down rabbit holes. And they did that. They did that. Yeah. And it was so good. I will say when my kids were younger and they were doing that, I, of course, You know, a wrestling match in my head every day. Like, Oh my gosh, we're not getting to all these other things. [00:19:47] Angela: Yeah, we should be doing math, we should be doing reading or whatever.  [00:19:50] Maren: Yes, we try every single day. Yeah, every single day. I remember honestly like standing in the middle of my living room looking around at just the [00:20:00] chaos or around me going, I'm never gonna be able to wrangle this in. Yeah. But, and, and then also thinking like, why do I think I need to. [00:20:09] And so I don't know.  [00:20:10] Angela: Now looking at wrestling, is that lately mm-hmm. , right?  [00:20:13] Maren: Yes. And so looking back, I'm just so glad that a lot of the time I open the space up for that Right. Space and time for that. Right,  [00:20:20] Angela: Right. So it's mostly encouraging those things that they're interested in instead of mm-hmm. [00:20:26] You know, diminishing them or whatever. Yes. Instead of suggesting other things, instead of prioritizing other things. Really encouraging those things that they're interested in. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , whatever  [00:20:35] Maren: that is. Yep. And then the other thing I think that's really important is to just own our own quirkiness. [00:20:41] Like you said, Angela, you're learning about your own quirkiness right now. And, and like, Kind of growing into that, and I think that that's so good for our kids to see too. It  [00:20:51] Angela: is definitely  [00:20:52] Maren: a unique set of interests and  [00:20:54] Angela: skills too. Right? And sharing that with your kids and sharing your own journey [00:21:00] in that way. [00:21:00] Yes. And yeah, I think is really, really important because, you know, most things are about modeling and I mm-hmm. , I, mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. It is, like I said, because I'm kind of, I feel like late to the game in this way. Mm-hmm. , I mean, I've definitely always had interest, but you know, some things I felt embarrassed about or Mm. [00:21:19] Kind of squashed, or like, I don't, actually, mostly it was like, I didn't feel like I had a wide variety of things to pick from for interest. It's like, well, do you wanna do a sport or music or both . Right, right, right.  [00:21:32] Maren: You know? And there was a limited amount of music amount of those. Of both. Yeah. Yeah. So it was either, Volleyball, basketball or stop Yeah. [00:21:41] For me, you know which of those three.  [00:21:44] Angela: Yeah. Yeah. So I think learning about the, the world and just like how many options there are and like testing things out and I just, for me, that's like a lifelong practice and yes, [00:22:00] the sooner my kids can get started on. And finding their own joys, I just think the better off they're gonna be. [00:22:06] And so I really do want to encourage and model that for them. For  [00:22:11] Maren: sure. And even if, even if our kids do choose a very maybe traditional career, I think that's great. Yeah. And they can have. They will, I think, value interests outside of their job too, which is just so healthy and you know, having a way to, to balance  [00:22:30] Angela: your life out. [00:22:31] Having a full life that's having a full life more than just your job, but you also have other  [00:22:35] Maren: Yes, exactly. Yeah, and you're right, like you said, example is so powerful just mm-hmm. . Watching your parents have those quirky interests is probably more powerful than anything else. Anything else, Right? For sure. [00:22:50] What's your quirky thing? I don't know. I mean I, I'm, I'm kind of figuring that myself out too. I mean, I have a lot of, I have a lot of interests, you know, I love doing. A lot of [00:23:00] different things, but like recently, like I think I, I think I talked about this on Patreon, maybe not on the main podcast, but in our Facebook, you know, by nothing group, we, Oh, there was a free. [00:23:12] Organ. Yeah. Somebody was giving away a free organ and I took it . Yeah. Right away. That's quirky. It's amazing. That is  [00:23:20] Angela: quirky. I didn't think  [00:23:21] Maren: about it at the time, but I was like, Oh, that was okay. I look back and I'm like, Yeah, that was pretty quirky. That's yeah, so, because I love, I love the  [00:23:30] Angela: organ . Have you been playing it? [00:23:33] A little bit. A little bit, Yeah.  [00:23:34] Maren: And we're, you know, the kids are enjoying it a lot for sure. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.  [00:23:39] Angela: All right, let's move on to our lt. Ws Loving this week, right? Yes. Yeah. Mar, what are you loving?  [00:23:45] Maren: Okay. I am loving it's a podcast that I listen to all the time, this American Life. Oh, yeah. Which I know I, I talk about, I've, I've shared several episodes with you, Angela, lately, but this last  [00:23:57] Angela: one. [00:23:58] Okay,  [00:23:58] Maren: let's hear. Everybody needs to [00:24:00] listen. It's number 783 Kids these days. Is what it's called. Oh, okay. And the description says, we hear from kids who are dealing with some of the country's most contentious debates. Oh. No debates that are supposedly about them. Mm. So it's just these kids who are caught in, you know, adult turmoil. [00:24:24] For sure. Yeah. Basically. And I am, I mean, I know you all probably. You know, if you're listening to this podcast you know, have a heart for kids and are thinking about just the things that kids are dealing with these days, and this is these are just personal stories about those things and Okay,  [00:24:41] Angela: everybody needs to listen to it. [00:24:43] Okay. I would, I would love to listen to that. I'm gonna put that on my list in my queue. I'm gonna put it in my queue. Yep. Put it in your queue. Will appreciate it. Definitely. Okay. Thank you. Right. This American Life has been around for years before they had podcast apps and that's why they're on episode like 700 and something. [00:24:59] That's [00:25:00] right's. It is like the first podcast. Yeah. Yeah. That's really well done.  [00:25:03] Maren: So it's really well done and I think it's becoming a much more inclusive podcast, like the stories that they're sharing. Okay. I'm just really appreciating them. Noticing it more and more. Yeah. Yes. From the lens of many, many different people in the world. [00:25:18] I'm right  [00:25:19] Angela: in America, . That's great. That's great. All right, Angela, what are you loving this week? Okay. I am loving a book that this could be the book, like if you are in a slump, if you don't know if you like audio books. Okay. Or, you know, you've never tried or wonder if you could get hooked. I think this could be your book. [00:25:41] It's called, I'm Glad My Mom Died by Jeanette McCarty. Okay. Yes, I've heard of this book. We've heard of this book. Yes. Okay, so this is a memoir. But it's very it'll take you in right away. So Jeanette McCarty is a young actress. She's probably 30 now. Okay. [00:26:00] She was on I, Carly. Oh yes. A Nickelodeon. As a young, as a young child. Mm-hmm. . And this is just her life story, which is pretty traumatic. You know, she didn't want to go into acting, but her mom wanted her to, cuz it was her mom's dream that her mom. [00:26:19] Got fulfilled for herself. Mm-hmm. . So her mom put, you know, pushed her into acting and Jeanette wanted to please her mother because she loves her mother. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . it is about that relationship and it is about her, you know, life in the spotlight and with her mother. and with her brothers and her mom is sick the whole time. [00:26:40] Mm-hmm. , I mean, it's in the title. I'm glad my mom died, so, you know, her mom dies, but no, spoil mom was sick. Yeah, no spoiler. Her mom is sick, you know, for much of her childhood. Mm. And so there's always kind of the threat of like, is her mom gonna die? And so she wants to really please her mom. So anyways, it is so well written. [00:26:59] Wow. [00:27:00] It is so well written. The audio is amazing. She reads it. By the, the first sentence, , you know, for the first story I was hooked. I was like, I need listening to this. So I think, you know, as a parent too mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . It definitely It's just a, it's just a cautious, a cautionary tale, you know? [00:27:18] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a cautionary tale as a parent. Mm-hmm. , not that I'm like her mom, but you know, I just recognize just some behaviors or practices and I, I like, I, you know, am constantly thinking like, Oh, I do not wanna do that, or I would never wanna say that, or, or whatever. So, I don't know. I just think as a parent, it was really, It was important as a child that was imp It was important. [00:27:40] It's important for everybody. So yes, really well done.  [00:27:43] Maren: Okay,  [00:27:44] Angela: So you should listen, I think you should just get it on Libro fm, which I talked about a few weeks ago. Yes, it's a, or the library. Get it on your library, but listen on audio for sure.  [00:27:56] Maren: All right. Thank you Angela. And thank you to our three [00:28:00] sponsors, Blossom and Root Out School and Night Zookeeper. [00:28:04] Be sure to check out their links in our show notes.  [00:28:08] Angela: This podcast is created and hosted by Angela Se and Marron Gors. We are listener supported. To get extra content and the Back to School Summit free with your membership, go to patreon.com/homeschool unrefined. Subscribe to our newsletter and get our free top 100 inclusive booklist@homeschoolunrefined.com slash newsletter. [00:28:29] You can find on Instagram at unrefined and at always learning with you can find Angela. Unrefined, Angela. [00:29:00] 

This week, Julie Bogart is back to talk all about changing our minds in parenting and homeschooling.  Fall 2022 Season Sponsors   We are so grateful to our Fall 2022 Season Sponsors. Use the links below for their special offerings:   Blossom & Root and use code HSUnrefined15 for 15% off your purchase   Outschool and use code Unrefined for $20 off your first class    Night Zookeeper for a 7-day, risk-free trial, as well as 50% off an annual subscription  LTWs    Maren: Good Inside by Dr Becky Kennedy   Angela: Calm Aid   Connect with us!  Visit our website  Sign up for our newsletter and get our Top 100 Inclusive Book List We are listener supported! 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[00:00:50] Whether you are a new homeschooler, a veteran, you love curriculum, you're an unschooler. Whether all your kids are at home or all your kids are at school or somewhere in [00:01:00] between. Wherever you are in your journey, we're the voice in your head telling you, you're doing great, and so are your kids.  [00:01:07] Maren: This is episode 1 98, Changing Our Minds with Julie Bogart. [00:01:14] We had such a good conversation and we're so excited to share this with you, and then we are going to end like we always do with our l t Ws Loving this week.  [00:01:26] Angela: Before we get going, we did wanna let you know about our Patreon classes. We are starting a new series. on Thursday and it's our what We don't do series. Mm-hmm. , if you have been around a while, you probably have listened to one of our, What we don't do messages, we're turning them into a class and we're gonna talk about what we don't do as a, in a class format. [00:01:48] And that is gonna be Thur this Thursday at one o'clock central time. And if you are interested in that, you can join us on, on Patreon for our super squad. That's the $10 level. We [00:02:00] will have links in the show notes for you there, but we'd love to see you if you can't come live. You can get it recorded and video and audio. [00:02:07] We will be putting those out and then, The day or two after that.  [00:02:11] Maren: Absolutely. And you know, we are passionate  [00:02:13] Angela: about what we don't do. we are and spreading one of our favorite things. . It's important. It is. Mar and I both love new and innovative ways to make reading and writing fun. That's why we hope you've tried Night Zookeeper. [00:02:28] Is your child a reluctant writer? Do they struggle with. If the answer to either of these questions is yes, the Night Zookeeper may just be what you've been looking for. Night Zookeeper is an online learning program for children, ages six to 12 years old that uses a gamified and creative approach to help keep kids engaged and focused on developing awesome reading and writing skills, all while having fun at the same time. [00:02:51] Some of the features we love include the educational games, the personalized feedback on writing from Real tutors, the Super Safe Community pages where [00:03:00] children can work with each other and learn together. If night Zookeeper sounds like the perfect learning program for your child, you can try it for free by clicking on the link in the show notes. [00:03:09] When you register, you'll get a seven day risk free trial, as well as a huge 50% off annual subscription. That's a great deal if you ask. When it comes  [00:03:20] Maren: time to decide on whether or not to use a curriculum, we think you should check out Blossom and Root. 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[00:04:29] You can also find them on, I.  [00:04:31] Angela: At Blossom and Root,  [00:04:33] Maren: Blossom and Root has created a special discount for our listeners. Use the code Hs. Unrefined 15 at checkout for 15% off your  [00:04:43] Angela: purchase. Over the years, our kids have taken many out school courses that they have loved. Have you given out school a try? We know that kids who love to learn don't just prepare for the future. [00:04:56] They create it. That's why Out School has [00:05:00] reimagined online learning to empower kids and teens to expand their creativity, wonder and knowledge. Empathetic, passionate teachers encourage learners ages three to 18 to explore their in. Connect with diverse peers from around the world and take an active role in leading their learning out. [00:05:16] School has created a world filled with endless possibilities for every schooling journey. Explore over 140,000 fun and flexible live online classes to find the right fit for your family. And join us as we set learning free. Sign up today at Out schooler.me/homeschool unrefined. And get up to $20 off your first class when you enroll with a code Unre.  [00:05:42] Maren: All right. We are so excited to introduce you. [00:05:46] If you don't know Julie Bogart Bogart yet, here she is. Julie Bogart is the creator and owner of Brave Writer, the online writing and language arts program for kids and teens. She's written two books, The [00:06:00] Brave Learner and Most Recently Raising Critical Thinkers, Julie Holy Supports Homeschool Parents Through Her Social Media Channels. [00:06:08] Her podcast, her books and her community. We have always absolutely loved talking to Julie and we're just so glad that she is back. Enjoy this conversation. [00:06:20] Thank you so much, Julie, for joining us again on our podcast. We've had you on a few times and we love having you every single  [00:06:27] Julie: time. Well, the feeling is mutual. Mar, I love being here.  [00:06:31] Maren: Thank you so much. Okay. So I really wanna talk about your book that actually came out quite a while ago, but you and I have both been so busy that we haven. [00:06:41] Able to make time to talk about it, but I'm so excited to talk about your book Raising Critical Thinkers. And we talked a little bit about it maybe on your podcast last time. Yes, yes, Yep. But I just, this was before, I think we read your book though. You were still writing it and we've now since read it and love it. [00:06:59] And I'm just [00:07:00] wondering what made you wanna write this book right  [00:07:03] Julie: now? Specif. Yeah, that's such a fun question for me to answer because you have to go all the way back to the 1990s to answer this question. Mm, okay. Yeah. It really started with the dawn of the internet . So in like 19 95, 96, when the worldwide web was crawling out into the space, homeschool parents in particular were. [00:07:25] We're like the first people to barge through those doors. We were so isolated. Yeah. , there were about 800, right? There were about 800 Absolutely. Thousand families who homeschooled back then in the United States today there's 3.2 million, so that's, That's amazing. A sizeable growth. And we did not have a means. [00:07:41] Of connecting except in local communities. Mm-hmm. . And so you can imagine the numbers were small. You know, you might, in your community have five or 10 people you know who homeschooled. Right. Some people had no one. So we all hopped online. Yep. In these couple of major sort of homeschool watering holes. [00:07:58] And to be fair to [00:08:00] the movement, the truth of the movement at that point is that it was. Yeah, we were white. Yep. Mostly conservative. Politically and religiously. Yep. And heterosexual and married. Right. So that was the demographic, like 98%, 99%. So I imagined we would get on these discussion boards and we would really like each other. [00:08:21] You know, I, I had been to park days. People are friendly, you know, occasionally they mention your child misbehaved, but nobody's getting into big fights about politics at a park day. Sure. And yet I get on these discussion boards and while there's plenty of friendliness, plenty of good advice. Mm-hmm. , there was also a shocking willingness. [00:08:43] Mm-hmm. to really go to battle. Mm-hmm. over things like oxy Clean, whether or not to breastfeed, Oh no. Whether or not you should potty train your child by age two. And that's the tip of the iceberg. When we got, When we got near [00:09:00] religious discussion, like doctrinal issues or theology, the gloves came off. [00:09:05] Wow. People  [00:09:06] Maren: get really brave, don't they, on  [00:09:07] Julie: those sites? Oh my gosh. And this is before we knew about trolls, so I jokingly say homeschoolers and bena trolling. We used to call it flaming, but it was really just a lot of fighting. And so here's the question that sort of grew inside me at that. . Why does everyone think they're right? [00:09:26] Mm. And why do they assume that all they have to do is state their belief and everyone will agree with it. So there was very little curiosity. It wasn't like, Wow, you're a five point Calvinist. I'm only a three point. I wonder why that is. . No, that is not what happened. It would be things like, you know, Julie, I just think you're wrong here. [00:09:46] The actual true theology is X. Mm-hmm. . And so for me, at the time when I was expecting sort of this homogeneous. Kumbaya experience. It was not that. And in fact, I was [00:10:00] so intrigued by this problem. I started my own discussion board. We called it at the time the Trap Door Society. And the reason it had that name Yeah. [00:10:10] Was that I felt like all these women were performing roles on a stage, you know, parent, wife, educator, spiritual or non-spiritual person, whatever you were. And we had no way of. To nurture the individual person that we were. So I wanted a trap door so we could go beneath the stage and like try on different costumes. [00:10:33] Imagine other points of view, read books that were for our pleasure, not for our children. That's amazing. Yeah. And it was, it was amazing. It was. So that was the.  [00:10:44] Maren: You created that safety. That's that's what it sounds like to me when you're talking about that trap door. That's a place of safety where you can try things on without getting completely reprimanded. [00:10:57] Well,  [00:10:57] Julie: that was the goal. Yeah. It did [00:11:00] not go that way. Oh,  [00:11:01] Maren: okay.  [00:11:01] Julie: So I started this community. Mm-hmm. . There was a lot of love. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And there were some, I mean, phenomenal discussions that were life changing for me. I will say that right out of the gate, my parenting, my home education, my outlook on the world was shaped profoundly by that community. [00:11:17] But there was also some battles that literally took me out, like days of crying obsessing over responding, trying to craft the perfect words so no one would be mad and still, Oh, I feel that lacking anger. Early days of the internet. Mm-hmm. the early two thousands. And so that persistent experience of why does everyone think they're right? [00:11:43] Right. Stayed with me. And it got me curious about how we form our thoughts. Why we think, how we do, what we believe about other people who think differently. And I, I just got on this serious mission. I've been studying, thinking for over 20 years. I've been so [00:12:00] fascinated by it. I even went to grad school to try. [00:12:02] Understand how we all think so differently. So yeah, that's really what led me to it. So ironically, it came out during the Covid period, , which is a, an important time to think critically. Oh my gosh. It's almost like, you know, we hit the Zer of trolling and flaming and everything else.  [00:12:22] Maren: And it continues. And it continues. [00:12:24] Like for sure we need to, we need this skill. So what is your definition of critical thinking? Why do you think, Well, I mean, we already talked about why we think it's important, but if you have any other thoughts about that, but just what is it to you? What  [00:12:37] Julie: does it look like? Yeah. Critical thinking for me starts in an unusual place. [00:12:41] Like if you go into the education world and they talk about critical thinking, it's always about analyzing something over. , like a piece of literature, a scientific discovery, a mathematical problem. Yes. But I think critical thinking starts closer to home. [00:13:00] It's self-awareness. It's the capacity to notice your own bias as it kicks into gear, right? [00:13:06] To pay attention to what triggers you to be curious, for instance, about why you think you're right. Yes. And it's doing all that before we extend a similar. Attitude, I guess I would say. Yep. To someone else. So if I know that I have these inherent triggers, biases and proclivities, right? That's also true of the person I'm chatting with. [00:13:30] Mm-hmm. , the cuter. And my job is to at least get to a place of understanding how the jigsaw puzzle of their experiences, education, thoughts, socioeconomics, and identity created safety right for them through this. Because that's what our beliefs are. They are a safety protective shield that keeps who I am free of anyone harming me. [00:13:58] Maren: It sounds to me like you're [00:14:00] talking about self-awareness as being one huge key. Totally of critical thinking it is. And then being aware that this other person is also has this other set of aware, you know, self awareness and maybe not, may not be as aware about those is of those things. And then, oh, it's just the, a higher level thinking here. [00:14:21] You know, I just think when you get in those situations and the. The ability to understand yourself, understand this other person and how you work together, and how it, how it's okay that they're thinking differently and it's okay that I'm thinking differently and we can work together in this way. I mean, it's just. [00:14:38] This is what's so needed in our world today. Can you imagine if E the most powerful people in the world, can't even do this, Julie? No. No. Can you train them ?  [00:14:52] Julie: Well, the problem, the problem I really think comes down to the fact that. There are dangerous [00:15:00] thoughts. Mm-hmm. thought worlds that exist, but the criteria for danger varies community by community. [00:15:06] Mm-hmm. , person by person. So a lot of times when I've done these interviews, people have said, So you're really focused on critical thinking, leading to empathy. And my rejoinder is actually, no, this book isn't about empathy. You may gain some empathy. Sure. Come to a place where you look at your child, for instance, and have more insight into why they hold a view, and it creates a feeling of warmth or compassion towards your child. [00:15:31] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But mostly it's about understanding because for instance, we love true crime, right? We're all listening to podcasts. We all do movies, and we are doing it because we are fascinated to understand. Why a person imagines that the best solution to a problem in their life is murder. We're not and and we want to understand it. [00:15:56] That's why we watch. Right. We don't just judge it. We're like, [00:16:00] Well, what factors led that person to thinking, I will have a more beautiful life if I off this other person. What we end up feeling at the end is horror, not empathy. Right. Right. It actually engages our deep morality. We. Wow, these factors are problematic. [00:16:19] This person saw the world in a way that is so different than mine. And then it leads us to ask what I think is a very important question, What is it about that person's perspective that we haven't accounted for? Mm-hmm. in the public square. Yep. So if we think about someone like, you know, just to go for the extreme Hitler and go for it. [00:16:40] Yep. Right. What we have, were an entire population. Of German Christian, middle class churchgoing people. Mm-hmm. becoming persuaded that the solution to their economic crisis was genocide. Yeah. And the question we [00:17:00] have to ask ourself is how did that happen? How did that happen? Yep. Because they were persuaded. [00:17:08] There was a structure and a belief system that they were able to inc. That made them think they were on the moral high ground. And so for me, critical thinking is all of that. It's not just empathy, it's accounting for those factors that may possibly lead us into very immoral and scary thought worlds. [00:17:31] But we do it from a place of. Actual desire for a better world. Right. We're not doing it because we're inherently evil. We're doing it because we think life will be better for us and our people.  [00:17:43] Maren: Right, Right, right. And that's why we need to think critically about our history. That's right. So that we can change it. [00:17:50] does not repeat itself. True. Yep. So true. One of our favorite chapters in your book is probably the last chapter, The Courage to Change Your [00:18:00] Mind. We love this idea. We talk about it a lot as parents. So just sitting with that for a minute, changing your mind. Why do you think that changing your mind is important? [00:18:10] Julie: Well, first of all, the capacity to change your mind shows a certain agility in your own ability to process information. So psychological research shows that psychological flexibility is a key component to a healthy ego. Mm-hmm. and healthy relationships. So if we are hardened or rigid, we actually start to eliminate the capacity to relate to a variety of people, right? [00:18:39] Then what we do is we start shrinking the group until we're in a very small corner of the world, well defended against all the attackers. We become victims, right? Of our own ideology. Mm-hmm. . So the courage to change your mind says, I'm actually related to all of humanity. There isn't [00:19:00] the in group, in the out group. [00:19:01] I'm here to hear experiences, data, research, information that is not like the kind I have and understand how it's shaped these people that I am connected to simply by being a human being. I don't think we think that way very often, but one thing I have not, Is that parents are the most likely to change their spiritual, political, social value beliefs when a child. [00:19:32] Tax them. So you have a child? Oh yes. That's me. Example. Right? Totally, totally. All that story, because I think it's so powerful. Well, there are,  [00:19:40] Maren: there are actually, I mean, there's a lot of things I can't even share right now until my kids are grow, grown up. Yes. Until they've given me permission. But I mean, definitely politically, spiritually so many things. [00:19:51] I actually, I wrote down a few things, things that I've changed my mind on as a parent recently, probably hair color. Tattoos [00:20:00] piercings. Not that I'm letting my kids pierce their or get tattoos, but , like, I've changed my mind on it because just talking about it ha has created this big rift and I'm like, I, Why am I so against the, I mean, why am I so I against this? [00:20:18] I do not know. I honestly don't know anymore . So I had to rethink that. Food choices, TV and movie choices, clothing. What body parts can be shown and not shown. You know, these are things and ultimately school choice. Yes, school education choices. Because, you know, if it were up to me, we'd probably, you know, be doing something very different school-wise right now. [00:20:41] And I'm listening to my kids and they're telling me what they need and I'm like, Wait a second. I you. For a while I was like, No kids, we're doing school this way. This is what I see as the best way . And they're like, Mom, listen to us. We're telling you what we need right now. And I'm, and I had to really [00:21:00] go inside myself and evaluate like, why am I, why are my ideals the boss of. [00:21:08] Their education right now, it's their lives ultimately. And I can, That's right. Yeah. So I can make, Obviously I wanna make safe and good, you know, good choices for them. But there are lots of safe and good choices. I  [00:21:22] Julie: think so. No, that is so beautifully expressed. Mm-hmm. . Because part of what happens is we've already lived through those ages. [00:21:31] We were teenagers and young adults. We have regrets, choices we made that we think, Wow, that was a bad decision. Or I wish my mother had stopped me from doing X. Right. And so we come in with this perspective that somehow we can protect our children from right. Regret, mistakes, getting in car accidents, whatever it is. [00:21:49] Mm-hmm. . And yet it is those very experiences that formed and shaped us into the adults we are today. Right. And when we don't give our children the [00:22:00] agency over their choices to some extent, obviously you have some, some room there, but to some extent, Then they feel the need to react that much harder. Yes. [00:22:11] Because they are testing, not you, but the world outside of your home to find out, am I qualified to be admitted as an adult? Yes. And if they don't have the opportunity to make some of those calls and fail. They will not discover what resources they need. I, I did a podcast interview recently with a mom who was raised in the obedience model as a child. [00:22:36] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And she told me she got to young adulthood and thought, But how can I know if I'm making a good decision, where's the authority that's gonna tell me I'm doing the thing? Yep. And so our kids need the, the right. I remember Johanna, she had red. She decided to die purple and the culture, not me. [00:22:57] I was like, That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. , the culture told her, [00:23:00] if you're a redhead, you're not allowed to dye your hair because your hair is too beautiful. You're not allowed to get rid of red hair. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember supporting her and saying, You know, it's your hair. Pick a color. So she went in to get it dye, and even the hair stylist was like, Are you sure? [00:23:18] Yeah. And so the hair stylist refused to bleach the hair. She's like, We'll just put purple on top of it. And it came out black. Okay. No. So she didn't end up with her purple hair. She had red hair and black hair, and then she decided to go full goth to support the black hair, you know, early two thousands, [00:23:36] And I look back on that and I think what an interesting moment for her. Yeah. To assert a desire and have the whole culture oppose her and to keep fighting for it anyway. Like this is what we want. How will they build their self confide? If they never have a chance to encounter opposition, to stand up for what they want, [00:24:00] to find out if it matches what their hopes and dreams were. [00:24:03] They need some of those chances, don't they?  [00:24:05] Maren: They absolutely do, and I think our traditional educational system is teaching our kids to obey, yes, meet the standards, do the thing, and perform and not really think critically about themselves. They, it might be thinking critically. One small topic here, one small topic here, but it's not this all-encompassing critical thinker that, that we're raising, you know, in our education system. [00:24:32] And it's, it's tough because then they go to co, they go to college and, and you know, they might not. Go find the resources they need to do well in college because they haven't been taught to be proactive about those things or to figure out what they need or even to find their passion to find the thing they love to do in the world because they've just learned to go through the hoops. [00:24:53] Go through the hoops, do it, get a job, make  [00:24:56] Julie: money, , a hundred percent. In fact, when I taught at Xavier [00:25:00] University, one of the most glar. and obvious lacks in the incoming freshman was a sense of agency about their own thoughts. Mm, mm-hmm. . So they came in having been trained to write essays and how to even do research online or use the, you know, the library correctly. [00:25:18] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But they were always trying to find out, but what did I really wanna hear from them? Yeah. What was the angle I hope they would take? And so we. All kinds of writing activities and writing on the board and small group sharing because my goal, Was to hear something genuine from each student. [00:25:35] I needed to hear how did this idea land for you? And if the idea hasn't landed for you yet, I don't wanna hear from you. Like, don't just turn in an essay. Yes. And so part of the training in high school, especially if you've got homeschoolers in this audience, but even in regular high school mm-hmm. . To give agency to a child's voice, and one of the few ways they can feel [00:26:00] they have a voice is opposing your voice. [00:26:03] So even though you think to yourself, This is a dangerous idea, , I want you to step back and think how cool that they felt that they could take the risk to tell me this crazy idea that I would never want them to believe. Because what they're saying to you is, I'm entertaining. The thought world that counters the moral center of this family. [00:26:27] Maren: Yes. I love that. And actually, that's one of the things I was just gonna ask you about, Julie, because I just watched one of your. Instagram reels about encouraging parents to argue with their kids. [00:26:36] So this, I think this is a great example of  [00:26:40] Julie: encouraging critical thinking. Oh, it totally is. And I wanna give credit to one of my staff members because this morning I was having this meeting with Ramona and Ramona said, Julie, one of my kids is in your brave writer movie class on dystopian movies, and she. [00:26:56] The dystopian genre . And I told her, [00:27:00] Take that class cuz it's gonna have your best writing. Yeah. And so she's in there just hating these movies. They're watching them as a family and having huge arguments about them. And I was like, That totally reminds me of when my kids' dad and my kids argued about Nacho Libre for two long, Oh my gosh. [00:27:18] In the middle of summer, on our back deck after a barbecue, just dissecting the characterizations, arguing over whether or not this was a good movie. And so I think we sometimes forget that kids, they love that idea of being an. They love the feeling of being able to take an adult model of something and then shred it. [00:27:38] My son, Jake, totally, as a great example, he today, just to give kind of context, he's a human rights lawyer who works for the in Central Africa Republic.  [00:27:47] Maren: Wow. So you need to be a critical thinker for, for that job.  [00:27:49] Julie: Oh heavens yes. Went to Columbia Law School. Right. So he, he knows how to think, but I remember in junior or in, when he was a junior in high school, he watched this one movie, Some of [00:28:00] your, your listeners could even look it up. [00:28:01] It's called Zeitgeist. It was a thing in the mid two thousands. Okay. It's basically a massive critique of capitalism and it really does promote sort of a communist worldview and you know, eradicating the monetary system, et cetera. And I remember he came to my ex-husband when we were married, my husband and I at the time, And he's like, Mom, this is how the world needs to be. [00:28:23] But we watched it and his dad was saying to me, Oh no, Jacob's gonna end up in this horrible ti world of weird conspiracy theorists with the Illuminati, you know? Oh, totally. And I said, You know what, Actually, John, this is amazing. Not only is he watching it, he's telling us he's watching it, and he is critiquing the system that feels. [00:28:47] Air, like water. Like he didn't know this was a system Yeah. To critique until he heard there was a critique. Like you can criticize money. What, what a thought. Right. He had never known Right. [00:29:00] To do that. Yeah. And so we just leaned in. We just asked more questions, watched the movie, agreed with what we could raise questions about what seemed inconsistent, but we didn't like attack it. [00:29:10] It was more like, Is that working anywhere in the world? You know, like ask kinds of questions. And he evolved through it. He didn't stay there. Of course, yes. It was like a starting place for critique.  [00:29:22] Maren: I think we have to remember that our kids aren't, aren't going to stay in their thoughts for the rest of their lives. [00:29:28] They are, their, their brains continue to develop and it's really the practice of critical thinking. It's the practice of learning. It's the, the, the practice of curiosity and synthesizing and having conversations and growing. That's what they take. To the next level of their lives. A thousand percent. Yeah. [00:29:49] They don't take this one topic and just, you know, think this is life  [00:29:55] Julie: for the rest of their lives. Well, it's easy to do that experiment with yourself. Yes. How [00:30:00] many of your really hard one positions that you took at age 15 or 18 are still identical with how you think about the world today?  [00:30:09] Maren: I'm so glad they're. [00:30:10] No,  [00:30:11] Julie: No no. And in fact, how many I, I ask this in conferences all the time. So if I have a room of a hundred people, I say, How many of you hold the same exact beliefs as your parents in the areas of sex, politics, education, parenting, and food and exercise? And out of a hundred people, only 10 raise their hand. [00:30:31] Wow. So what you need to know is that same ratio is gonna be true in your family. There might be one kid who. Agrees or aligns with you generally, but there are gonna be a whole bunch who don't, and that doesn't mean you can't have a relationship with them. And it doesn't mean they've abandoned their morals. [00:30:49] It means they're thinking deeply.  [00:30:52] Maren: That is so, so, so true. And I I just think what a skill. What a skill to learn and to not have to be [00:31:00] perfect at when you're 15 or 18 or even probably 21 . I mean, this is gonna take a while. This is not a perfection. This is not something that's gonna get perfected. [00:31:09] Early on and it, it, it might not ever, I mean, this is, yeah, this is a process. I was just thinking today, you know, I , you know, made a few mistakes. I'm 46, so,  [00:31:19] Julie: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm 60. I, I've changed my mind countless times and if, and you will continue to, will continue to, and also you can't anticipate what will become an. [00:31:32] So none of us knew what a pandemic was. None of us knew how to respond to a pandemic. We were all jumping into our communities to tell us, these people are trustworthy. These people are not. This information's reliable, this information is not. Yeah. And we were using our blind loyalty to community to guide us because none of us has the expertise to evaluate. [00:31:57] Pandemics epidemics, vaccines, [00:32:00] public health economics, that are the result of this, you know, guidelines for how you run a company. All of that was suddenly up for grabs. Yeah. And when that happens, we stop thinking critically. We actually jump in with both feet to our safest communities. And what I've had to train myself to do, and this is something I write about in the book, Is notice that, Yes. [00:32:25] So when I'm scrolling through Facebook and some high school person I haven't talked to in 35 years, post an article and I think, Oh my gosh, that is the dumbest article I've ever seen. When I feel that smugness come up, yes, I know. I'm not critically thinking, Yeah, I am self protecting in that moment, critical thinking at that moment is, Oh, this is from someone I don't typically trust. [00:32:48] This is a person I haven't thought about in 30 years. Right. I don't really know what she's like anymore. She thought this was worth posting on Facebook. That's interesting. Mm-hmm. . I wonder what that says about her. I wonder if I've ever read this [00:33:00] article with this writer through the lens of this other person. [00:33:03] What, what might there be to learn? In reading it. Now, to be honest, I can't do that a lot. I, it takes so much energy to do that. But to keep myself honest, I try to do it fairly regularly. I try to give myself access to viewpoints that make me cringe. Mm-hmm. and I don't do it to deconstruct them. Yes, I do it to understand them. [00:33:29] Maren: That is so good. And it's also alternatively, when we, I think read, read articles or listen to something that is from somebody we normally do agree with. Like we, I think we also also have to think critically like, Yep, do I agree with this? Or what part of it is, Do I do I think is, you know, real or you know, is there part, are there parts I. [00:33:49] Push back on a little bit or something. So I think it's so good to do both. Absolutely.  [00:33:54] Julie: Great point, Miller. Yeah.  [00:33:56] Maren: Yeah. Okay. So I wanna go back to some of your work, Julie, because I [00:34:00] know Ev, everything you've always put out there, you've always encouraged us to make it our own. And I think you've, from the beginning, have encouraged us all to think critically. [00:34:09] You've inspired. Us all to do poetry, tea, time, , and I'm not kidding you. I have my oldest reads poetry by herself now all the time, and I, I attribute it all to poetry, tea time. I really do. So that you so much, but I know that you also encourage everyone to make. Their own special thing. So what is, What do you think is the key to those magical learning moments like poetry, tea time, or something else that we  [00:34:41] Julie: have come up with? [00:34:43] I think when we're talking about learning, what we're actually talking about is a meaningful connection or relationship. To what is being learned. And so just to deconstruct poetry tee time for a moment. Yeah. I knew that adults hated poetry , [00:35:00] and for some reason my whole life I've loved it. I think because I'm innately a writer, and so any manipulation of language has been interesting to me. [00:35:08] My mother also gave me a a rummy card game that was all. So when I was young, I knew all the names of poets, which then later made me wanna read their poems. My father, my grandfather, gave me a poetry book that was a, I'll read to you if you read to me book. So I would share it with my brother or a friend who came over, or my mother, and we'd read poems to each other cuz of the nature of this book. [00:35:30] Awesome. So my early childhood was really warm towards poetry and then song lyrics became my obsession. Bruce Springsteen, Jackson Brown, Tom Petty, they all write such great storytelling and such great lyrics. So as I was raising kids, I was disturbed to discover that adults didn't like poetry. Oh. And I was so afraid that would happen to my children. [00:35:53] And I was on this email list back in the day in the nineties, and somebody shared that she was teaching geography to [00:36:00] her kids, but they didn't like geography. So she started making tea and cookies for when they studied geography. Yes. And suddenly they all liked geography. And I was. Well, I can do that. [00:36:11] We, I drink tea every day. Exactly. And so I created this whole British tea time and added poetry to it. And so I think really what we're saying is when something seems opaque or difficult, we want to tie it to something that automatically creates a sense of warmth and pleasure and openness. So I wish someone had done that for me with. [00:36:34] That that did not happen with Math , but with my kids, because it never happened to me with math. Mm-hmm. , I put so much more energy into manipulatives and games and cards and dices. That's so great. Yes. And even though my kids would all say, and they will say this openly, that math was not my strong suit. [00:36:54] What is ironic is all five of them have been very [00:37:00] successful in math and they, they came out, two of them are programmers and three of them did calculus and I mean, that's amazing. You did that. Good job, Julia. I take credit, it doesn't matter what they think. No, but honestly, the early years to me are what were the foundation for that. [00:37:18] And then I hired tutors and they did take some math at school. But my point is, I think what you're asking. How do we create the meaningful sense of connection that makes me warm and open this something that feels intimidating. And for me, that would be a great criteria for creating magic in learning. [00:37:37] Maren: That sounds amazing. I mean, I, I could think about that in every scenario. Like, what is gonna cause this to be a warm. Cozy or warm and safe  [00:37:48] Julie: environment. Yes, and and stimulating enough to be interested, right? So, right. You might make tea and cookies to go with math, but if your child's already resistant or sees no purpose in it, they'll eat the [00:38:00] cookies, drink the tea, and still hate math. [00:38:02] Part of what made poetry special is that poetry's easy. You just read it out loud and everybody finds pleasure. But for something that's more of a struggle, I think part of what we wanna do is admit that it's going to be challenging. Provide a lot of support, create as many real life connections as possible, and then do it in small doses so that we don't create a toxic relationship where we're dreading and it feels tiring and I don't wanna do it. [00:38:31] Maren: I love that. Yep. So, so, so true. Okay, so another thing that we, both Angela and I both love about your book. So many other things that you've created is just the activities, but this specific, this book specifically just has so many practical ideas. And a whole book can be intimidating, honestly. Yes. [00:38:50] Sometimes, you know, but if, if you sprinkled out in, you know, throughout the book so many activities that if we. Just pick a few of those activities. I [00:39:00] mean, it would, it could change our home school and I just love that you did that. Did you, did you know you wanted to share practical activities Yes. And ideas when you wrote the  [00:39:10] Julie: book? [00:39:10] Because I just feel that way about everything. Right? Like, I just feel like. We spend so much time reading nonfiction books for information and ideas, but the practical implementation is where transformation occurs. Yeah, Yeah. And for me, a lot of these practices are things that sort of, I stumbled on with my own kids because I was obsessed with thinking. [00:39:32] Yes, I was obsessed with it. So, you know, in that very first chapter where I'm talking about viewpoint and says who, and you know, are we hearing the fairy tale from the Wolf's point of view or the narrator's point of view, or the protagonist point of view? Yes. The reason that I am obsessed with that is that that is the foundation of all critical thinking. [00:39:52] Whose viewpoint Yes. Am I listening to? And what is the criteria by which they create that viewpoint? Mm-hmm. . So we can start that [00:40:00] at age. Totally. Yeah, of course. We would watch these Disney movies and we would analyze the characters to death. Why do we love Ursula? Even though she's the bad character? What is it about her that's compelling? [00:40:13] Why is she more interesting than the good characters? And why would Disney do that? Right? And then you just get into this conversation. What is her sob story? Do we believe it? Does she have some justification for being this angry? Ooh, that's so great. These are great questions. And honestly, they sort of forecast what they'll be encountering in college when they're analyzing. [00:40:35] Absolutely. Lenin versus you know Decart. .  [00:40:39] Maren: I was just gonna say, because it's really easy at five and. To any age, but especially at five or younger where there's this dichotomy, like you said, bad and good things aren't bad and good, and it's, it's really easy to push that thought through, you know, And it's, that can be very scary. [00:40:59] And to [00:41:00] understand that the bad. The bad guys or bad people in movies may have some underlying things going on. What a great discussion and deep thinking for a five year  [00:41:13] Julie: old that Yeah, and you know, they're, they can do that. They're dealing with siblings. Right. How much bullying happens in a family? [00:41:19] Just an absolute ton. Mm-hmm. . Yep. And so if we are only ever treating people in binaries as bad and good, we can easily harden our own families into the good kids, the not good kids. We start scapegoating a child for being disruptive or picking at each other or being loud, and we start treating that child differently because we see them not through a. [00:41:42] Prism of factors, but only through this lens of obedient or cooperative or, you know, creating pleasure for the adult at ease. Right. Versus the child who's taxing and hard. Right? Totally. Yes. And so that's another reason we do this. We want siblings in particular to see a [00:42:00] 360 degree picture of this child. [00:42:02] They have to share a table with, watch a movie, with share a computer, with go on vacations with Right  [00:42:09] Maren: or parents too. Their view of their. Good parent, bad parent, right? Yeah. And it's easy to just say that  [00:42:14] Julie: you're the bad parent.  [00:42:16] Maren: Yeah. You make me do these things. And there's a lot around that too, that they can, they can think criti critically about, which is awesome. [00:42:23] So if there's one thing parents could implement today right now in regards to raising a critical thinker. What do  [00:42:30] Julie: you think that would be? Oh, I love this question. So I'm gonna give you a little story by way of example. This is a practice that you can try. So a lot of people think critical thinking is like opinions about social issues and politics, but that that is just one feature. [00:42:46] Critical thinking is literally every decision you make all day. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , Which, you know, which way is the fastest to get downtown without traffic is a critical thinking decision. Absolutely. What to eat for. Do I dessert? First, critical [00:43:00] thinking decisions. What we want to do is invite our children to make more of those judgment calls using their own research and data, rather than usurping that role for them. [00:43:13] So I'll give you a a very clear example. Imagine you have an eight year old, it's time for dinner. Mm-hmm. , you say to that child, Hey honey, it's time to wash your hands. It's time for. And this child who has cooperated with this, you know, command for a year sure. Suddenly says, Yeah, I'm not going to, I don't want to [00:43:30] Most parents have one of two ways they respond. There's the authoritarian model which says you have to cuz I said so, right? Mm-hmm. . So you don't really, you could even give a reason, but mostly you're just like, Dude, I'm the mom. You're not. Go wash your hands. The second way is what I call the manipulative obedience model. [00:43:49] What most periods today call cooperation. And what they do instead of requiring obedience is they manipulate it. So what they say is, Oh honey, you must wash your hands. [00:44:00] They're these things called germs and they live on your fingers. And when you touch the food and then eat it, it will go in your body and make you sick. [00:44:06] This is what science tell tells us. Therefore, you must wash your hands right now. In that second model are very proud of that model. Yes. , they're always like, Oh, I would never ask them to do something. I don't explain , but basically what they're doing is they're giving a bunch of information the child doesn't care about. [00:44:25] Nope. And then requiring the child to accept that as better information then the personal experience they're having right now, which is, I don't wanna wash my hands. Exactly. So what I recommend is this. You can't do this every day. Some days you gotta throw 'em in a car seat without an argument and strap 'em in and go. [00:44:41] Mm. But once in a while, go down the rabbit hole. So when your child says, I don't wanna wash my hands, you say, Oh, well that's interesting. Tell me more about that. Why? Why don't you wanna wash your hands? I don't know. I just don't wanna, Is it the temperature of the water? Let me get a thermometer. [00:45:00] Let's measure the temperature, see which temperature is most comfortable for you. [00:45:03] Ooh, I love that. So you start doing that and the child's like, I still hate it. Oh, okay. So it's not the temperature. Is it the wetness? Yeah. I hate how it feels on my hands. Should we try hand sanitizer or it dries faster? Oh no, that's sticky. Well, that's interesting. So here's where I am. I have this belief about germs, but you don't like washing your hands. [00:45:26] I wonder if there's any other information out there about germs and hands. Mm-hmm. . So you do a little research together online, show 'em, and maybe you discover that heat kills germs. And so you say to your child, How would you feel about not washing your hands? And we just blow dry them with a hot blow dryer, , and the child's like that sounds good. [00:45:43] And so you do that or the child still doesn't want to because here's what might be underlying it, your belief in germ. Is actually not a belief. It's propaganda. You've accepted and here's how I know. Didn't your child just eat Cheerios off the [00:46:00] floor without washing their hands? Right? Didn't you at Target watch the baby, spit out the pacifier? [00:46:05] It landed on the floor of Target, you picked it up, sucked the germs off , and then put that pacifier in your baby's mouth. Do you actually believe in germs or you just doing the parental propaganda program where you pass on information, right? Designed to coerce my child. So what I recommend at that point, Either one of these accommodations. [00:46:27] Okay? We're gonna measure the temperature you like it at, You know, 72. We're always gonna wait till it's that temperature or hand sanitizer, or the blow dryer. Or maybe you just roll the dice. You say, You know what? You're right. I don't even know if I believe my own rhetoric. Should we find out if you get sick? [00:46:44] Are you willing for that to be a possible outcome of this? Let's try it for a week. See what happens. Sure. And then see what happens. Right? Right. Give your child meaningful opportunities to collect data, to ask better questions, [00:47:00] to evaluate their experience. To roll the dice and see what the outcome of their hypothesis is. [00:47:07] Now at the start of covid, could you have done this? No. Right, Because we were terrified and we had information our kids didn't have. So at that point, going online, showing them the germs, explaining how people are in the hospital, giving them a meaningful understanding of why you have this level of fear is a great idea, right? [00:47:26] But on the day to day, That's really not what's animating you. Right? And so I think that's where we have to do a better job of interrogating our own positions and our kids give us a chance to do that.  [00:47:38] Maren: Right. And we have to be also, I think careful about imposing our own expectations on their critical thinking. [00:47:46] That's right. Because a five year old may not, even after all that information and all the testing and all the, everything you've done, they might. Yeah. I still don't wanna wash my hands . Right? Because they're not ready for that critical thinking at in that [00:48:00] moment. That's right at for that thing. And that's just where they're at. [00:48:02] You can't force their brain to develop anymore than where they're at right  [00:48:06] Julie: now. No. And that's where, like Dr. Becky Gooden side, Dr. Becky was, is so right on. I'm reading that book right now. Oh, oh, so good. So good. So when. , ask a child to cooperate with your better judgment. Mm-hmm. , you are spending capital in that relationship. [00:48:26] Maren: You are spending capital. Absolutely.  [00:48:28] Julie: And so that's why we want to make some of these demands fewer, you know, we want minimal demands. Yes. And then we want to explore when we can. A child's opposition because maybe it's just that the child was really engaged in a movie and dinner happened and they don't wanna take the time to wash their hands. [00:48:47] Exactly. And dinner delayed. Can we pause the movie? There could be factors here that have nothing to do with critical thinking about hand washing and just convenience that you are tempted to  [00:48:59] Maren: overlook. [00:49:00] Absolutely. And it it, like you said, it also requires us to do our own critical thinking. That's right. [00:49:05] On washing hands or. Eating at 6:00 PM Why does that have to happen, ? That's right. You know there's so many things we can think critically of, and we can be an example of critical thinking. And while our kids might not be like, Oh, mom, you're such a great critical thinker today, , I'm going to follow your example. [00:49:27] The, the consistent, critical thinking every day is going to pay. Them, You know, witnessing that every day and seeing how you are transforming and learning from your own critical thinking. You, our kids can't really help but do that because  [00:49:46] Julie: that's their example. In fact, I have a great story about this. [00:49:51] My son, Jacob, that I mentioned before, when he was in high school, he got very interested in this one social issue that was on the ballot. I'm not gonna name which one it [00:50:00] was just to keep everyone neutral. Mm-hmm. . And so he came to me and he is like, Mom, I can't vote yet, but I did all this research and I wanted to tell you why I think you should vote pro. [00:50:09] So he went through almost a PowerPoint level presentation. He had data and research in his computer was open. Yeah, it was really ad. He was like 16 and it was really good. And at the end I was like, Jake, that makes a lot of sense. I totally get where you're coming from. Thank you for sharing all that with me. [00:50:26] He says, So are you gonna vote pro? I said, No, I'm still voting Con. Yeah. And his eyes squirted tears. And he said, Mom, I count on you to be logical . And I said, Wow. Well, I appreciate you saying that, and I don't wanna discount what you just shared with me, but you, what you shared with me didn't account for all of my concerns. [00:50:51] It accounted for a lot of concerns you have. It didn't account for mine. But don't worry about that because this is my. And I don't have to agree [00:51:00] with you to appreciate the strength of your argument. And I think over time your side's gonna win. But I haven't personally been persuaded yet. Yep. And it was a very difficult moment for him. [00:51:12] Fast forward, you know, he's 30 and I'm older, and interestingly enough, We have just the best conversations. He ended up being the research validator for this book. I let him look. Wow. I paid him to do it. He went through and made sure that my arguments were actually built from solid foundations of evidence and, you know, make sure I wasn't quoting some spurious researcher who mm-hmm. [00:51:38] who happened to find their way onto a webpage I didn't vet. And so just to show. He saw me as a logical person, first of all. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , which I think is a beautiful credit. Secondly, we had to learn to live with the tension of disagreement, even when we were both being logical. Yep. And then third, we've built a relationship over time that makes it possible for both of us to [00:52:00] respect our capacity to do research and find answers. [00:52:03] And I think if there's anything I would want for parents, that's what it is. It's not agreement, it's not a. It's this dialogical respect for each person's capacity to show up with their own viewpoint while respecting the other person.  [00:52:20] Maren: It's beautifully said. Julie. Thank you so much, and I think that's a perfect place to stop for today, even though I could talk to you for another hour as usual. [00:52:29] But I just appreciate your insight and your encouragement that, you know, we've always, I've always relied on your encouragement through my whole parenting and homeschool journey, so I just thank you  [00:52:41] Julie: so much. Well, you do a great job both on this podcast and with your family, and so I. That you are continuing to put out such good information to your people as you  [00:52:52] Maren: as well. [00:52:52] All right. Take care.  [00:52:54] Julie: Thank you. Bye.  [00:52:56] Angela: All right. Let's move on to our lt [00:53:00] Ws. Yes. Marron. What are you loving this week? Okay. I am  [00:53:03] Maren: loving a book that I actually happen to talk with Julie about Very Oh, very shortly. I mean, we just like, I think Julie just kind of mentioned it in our conversation. You may have. I picked up on it, but I'm actually reading it right now. [00:53:18] And so it was fun to hear Julie mention it. And it's called Good Inside A Guide to Becoming the Parent You want to Be. And it's by Becky Kennedy, Dr. Becky . And it is just a  [00:53:32] Angela: great it is  [00:53:34] Maren: confirming. All of the, all of the healthy things we want to do in our parenting. [00:53:42] And I wanna say homeschooling too. Yeah. I think this is a great book for homeschoolers. It's just a great book. So I just, I, I can't say enough good things about Dr. Becky. She's my new favorite. . Yeah. I feel like she says things first. I was gonna say Angela, she says things that we. [00:54:00] Yeah, I was first gonna say maybe better. [00:54:03] Mm-hmm. , But actually I'm giving ourselves credit, Angela, and I'm gonna just gonna say, she says it in it with a twist, you know, that's, Yeah. On with her specialty, you know, as a doctor for, And I think we have this twist as a specialty, you know, as parents and educators and you know, we  [00:54:17] Angela: have, but we're, we're really share, We  [00:54:20] Maren: really share so much of the same message. [00:54:22] Yes.  [00:54:23] Angela: And so Good. I'm loving. Yeah. You know, people need to hear things in different ways and from different people and I, so I fully support like different people, books and podcast and whatever. Yeah. But she I have not read her book, but I do want to mm-hmm. because what I've really liked about her is you know, she doesn't profess to. [00:54:45] Always do it right, . Exactly. Yep. And she describes that in the book too for sure. Yes. Like she's just coming from a place of like, Look, I'm in the trenches with you too. Like, I get it. Yeah. Things are triggering, things are hard. And [00:55:00] so she's really Supportive in that way. It feels like it feels reachable. [00:55:04] It feels attainable. Yes.  [00:55:06] Maren: And it is good to hear from, you know, a, a, a doctor, a psychologist, you know, who really understands the brain and how it just very intricately.  [00:55:16] Angela: Yes. And so it is, it's, it's science  [00:55:18] Maren: that this is really good parenting and, and it's effective and it's just healthy. Mm-hmm. , it's just healthy for. [00:55:26] Physically, mentally, emotionally,  [00:55:27] Angela: it's all healthy. . Yeah. And her premises, it's called Good Inside because Good inside. Yeah. Because we are all good inside. Yep. Kids too. We're all like wanting to do our Yes. Do good and do our best, so. Yep. Yeah, so I love that. I love that. Yes. Thank you for  [00:55:42] Maren: sharing that. [00:55:43] Yes, of course. I'm, I'm excited for you to read it. I know you will,  [00:55:46] Angela: and it'll be fun. I'll probably listen, Are you listening? I'm listening. Yeah. Yeah. Does she read? Yes. Okay. Yeah, that'll be what I'll do. All right, Angela, what do you loving this week? I am loving something that I think I may have talked to you about in private, [00:56:00] but now I would like the whole world to know about it. [00:56:01] Yes. It's called Calm aid. Oh, yes. And this is a natural supplement for anxiety, overwhelming stress. And you can get it on Amazon and you can get it cheaply. So we have subscribed and saved to it. . That is  [00:56:16] Maren: amazing. You know, it's a, you know, it's a winner. You know, we need it. Subscribe and saved . Yes.  [00:56:21] Angela: And the reason why I like it is because I was. [00:56:25] You know I've been on medication for anxiety and depression. Some of my kids have been on things at different times. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. for different things. And so we have a psychiatrist that we talk to. Yeah. And the psychiatrist was telling me that this calm aid is over the counter, right? Mm-hmm. [00:56:42] it's an over the counter thing, but. In many countries, like European countries, she said it's their first line of defense. For something like anxiety or depression before you, they try other medications. Wow. And so this is just their first go [00:57:00] to. It's real. It's a real, It really works. Yeah. All it is is lavender. [00:57:04] It's lavender. It's a lavender pill. That's all that's in. It is lavender. It's concentrated. It's concentrated. Right. Small capsule that is easy to swallow. Okay. That's what I would need. Yep. Right. So it's in a small, easy to swallow capsule. It's just lavender so you can feel good knowing mm-hmm. , that that's all you're taking. [00:57:22] Yeah. But it really does help. Like I have been taking it every morning. And on the days that I take it, I can tell that I feel much calmer, much less stressed. On the package it says you should take it twice a day. So I think if you were you know, really wanting to be more serious, you could take it twice a day if you were unsure about trying medication. [00:57:42] This could be a good place to start. If you were unsure for one of your kids, this could, this could be a good place to start for one of them too. I just think we more people need to know about it because I had, I had never heard about it until the psychiatrist recommended it, and I just think like, and it gets all these great reviews, so I just think, why [00:58:00] don't, maybe more people already knew about it and I just didn't. [00:58:02] Yeah, right. But. It has really been helpful for me and some of my kids. I was gonna say maybe  [00:58:08] Maren: it's everybody in Europe who's, who's given it all those high stars. I mean, that's, that's amazing.  [00:58:13] Angela: Yeah. So, Well, I'm  [00:58:16] Maren: so glad that you, have you found something for, you know, for Totally. There's so many of, I mean, there are so many of us I think that who could use. [00:58:23] Something like that without a prescription would be  [00:58:25] Angela: great. Mm-hmm. so great. So thank you. And it's just, it's a first, It's, I know it's hard to try medication if you haven't. It is before, it's a hard first step. And so like this, this is something you could try before that if you Yeah,  [00:58:37] Maren: yeah. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. .  [00:58:39] We wanna thank our three sponsors, Blossom and Root Out School and Night Zookeeper. Be sure to check out their links in our  [00:58:49] Angela: show. 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[00:00:36] At homeschool unrefined, we prioritize things like giving yourself credit, building strong connections, respectful parenting interest led playing and learning, learning differences, mental health, self care, and listening to and elevating LGBTQ plus and BI voices.  [00:00:56] Maren: We are here to encourage and support you, whether you're [00:01:00] a new homeschooler, a veteran, you love curriculum, you're an unschooler. [00:01:06] Whether your kids are at home or all of your kids are in school or somewhere in between wherever you are on your journey, we are the voice in your head telling you you're doing great. And so are your kids.  [00:01:20] Angela: We're back Mar Hey, we're so glad to be back. It's been a time. Welcome back to the podcast. Yes. [00:01:30] Yes. This is exciting.  [00:01:31] Maren: So exciting. This is episode 1 93, your unique homeschool. Since it's the beginning of the year, we wanna talk about why your homeschool will look unique and how you can make it your very own. And then we'll end. Like we always do with our LT Ws, loving this week.  [00:01:52] Angela: We wanted to make sure that you knew about our newsletter that goes out out weekly. [00:01:57] When you sign up for it, you can get our [00:02:00] top 100 inclusive book list free. We're really excited about this book list. Mm-hmm , we've worked on it a long time. We've got books for all ages. Picture books, middle school, Y a and then we've got sections for graphic novels and audio books too. We're really, really excited about this to make sure you get that book list. [00:02:17] Go to homeschool, unrefined.com/newsletter. Or there will be a link in our show notes. Oh,  [00:02:23] Maren: and the new and the top 100 book list also has links live links to the books, which is definitely such a great thing. Yep. We've started something new this season. 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The night zookeeper may just be what you're looking for. [00:05:47] Night. Zookeeper is an online learning program for children, age six to 12 years old that used a uses a gamified and creative. To help keep kids engaged and focused on developing awesome reading and [00:06:00] writing skills all while having fun at the same time, some of the features we love include the educational games, the personalized feedback on writing from real tutors and the super safe community pages where children can work with each other and learn together if Knight zookeeper. [00:06:17] Sounds like the perfect learning program for your child. You can try it for free by clicking on the link in the show notes. When you register, you'll get a seven day risk free trial, as well as a huge 50% discount off on annual subscription. That's a great deal. If you ask me, I'll write,  [00:06:35] Maren: let's dive into our topic today, which is. [00:06:40] Your unique homeschool. Mm-hmm we pick this topic because it's the beginning of the year and, and we know how it feels to be at the start. And if we look back, we've done lots of these episodes. We've talked a lot about starting the year. And we've also talked a lot about making homeschool, our. [00:07:00]  [00:07:01] Angela: yeah. [00:07:01] You know, at the beginning of the year we're excited. Yes. And sometimes a little bit. It can be a, we can be a little bit overly enthusiastic, not enthusiastic, but we might have our site set, set a little bit high. I know that always happened to me. And sometimes we are doing maybe not too much, but maybe too much of what we think we should be doing. [00:07:21] Sure. And not necessarily what is best for us and our kids.  [00:07:26] Maren: You know, it is so true. Like we set up this, oh, what looks like amazing on paper homeschool, you know, the schedule, you've got a balanced amount of all subjects through throughout the week. And you've picked out the perfect read aloud and then. [00:07:47] You know, 10 things happen that make it all kind of like go, you know, awry things go awry. And, and it's really easy at this, especially at the beginning of the year to just think, oh my goodness, I am not cut out for [00:08:00] this or my kids aren't coming out for this, this isn't gonna work. I have, I made all these plans and none of them worked out. [00:08:06] And so right away at the beginning of the year, it can feel a little bit. Oh, man, what a let down, you know, right away. But a lot of the times that is because we have set our expectations grand we've made, we've set these grand expectations.  [00:08:22] Angela: Yeah. And you know, sometimes you might not think that right away, because you're like, I'm already. [00:08:27] Doing like less than I probably should be doing. Mm-hmm mm-hmm or I'm already doing things a little bit differently maybe than I did last year, or I already feel like we're doing a slow start. And so like, we haven't really even gotten going yet. And so it can feel like really there, you, we're not talking about, we're not talking about you. [00:08:46] Mm-hmm mm-hmm but we are because. Even though all of those things might be in place. Something might just still feel off. Maybe your days are feeling hectic. Maybe there's not like an excitement [00:09:00] or spark. Right, right. Or maybe you're not getting to things that you wanted to get to, or maybe your kids aren't excited about this right now or something there's maybe something off. [00:09:11] Right.  [00:09:11] Maren: And yeah. And it's, it is true that we, even, when we think we've, we've pared it down, we're homeschooling, we're gonna do less than what they might do at a traditional school during the day. Right. But I think often we have to cut that down. Maybe even more, especially at the beginning of the year, especially at the beginning of the year, but I would say probably. [00:09:34] A lot of the times mm-hmm we need to cut. We need to, we need to make what we're doing count , you know, mm-hmm and so that means probably doing less, less than we even think we should. You know, we, we thought we cut it dump. We need to maybe cut it down even more.  [00:09:54] Angela: mm-hmm and you know, that could be really hard because even though we [00:10:00] are doing things differently. [00:10:01] I mean, you're homeschooling, so you are different than, yeah. Most people, you know, right. You're already bucking the system. You're already backing the system by homeschooling. Okay. Right. So even though you're doing things differently, we still like have this, we still strive a little bit for uniformity. [00:10:18] We still wanna make sure that we. Checking all the boxes and that we are doing what we should be doing. Mm-hmm mm-hmm and We still like, have this idea that if we're just doing all these things, like everything's gonna be okay, it's kind of like, you want this control over your kids' education, you know, it's a big deal, right? [00:10:38] Your kids' education. Yeah. And you are striving for this control. That might be You know, it's really, it's an illusion. It's not really, we don't really have control too much control and so, right, right,  [00:10:51] Maren: right. But it feels, you know, especially when we're diving into this new, it's a new endeavor maybe or something, and it just feels like we do feel, it feels like we kind of need [00:11:00] that. [00:11:00] We need to, we need to hold onto something. And then the one thing , you know, that we're holding onto. If you. Sometimes that doesn't pan out. And so it does, it does, it does feel like we do have to  [00:11:12] Angela: let go of that, right? Because here's the thing. If you are being authentic to who you are and who your kids are, your homeschool is gonna look unique. [00:11:22] It's gonna, it's gonna look different than what you're seeing online. Yep. It's gonna look different than anything we've ever done. It's gonna look different than the person at your co-op or your neighbor or your sister-in-law or whoever is homeschooling. It is going to look different because yes, you are being authentic to who you are and who your kids are. [00:11:41] Maren: And here's why you wanna do that. you wanna do that because we all learn best and most efficiently when we're doing the things that. Are interesting to us when we're enjoying those things. When we, when we have an emotional tie to them and [00:12:00] those things are gonna be different for everyone mm-hmm . And so our home school's gonna look different. [00:12:06] Angela: Yeah. And you know not only that, but like every person learns differently, which is something we talk about a lot. Right. Every person learns differently. So some people, you know, like to sit at a table and do more of like the traditional mm-hmm mm-hmm book and a notebook type of learning . Some people like to read with their eyes. [00:12:24] Yeah. Some people like to need to be getting up and moving around. Right. Some people need to be traveling or having adventures or, you know, some people need to be playing Legos and listening to an audio book or whatever. Yeah. There's a lot of different ways that learning can happen. And so if you, again, you want, you want that for yourself and your children, because if you, if they. [00:12:48] If they're doing, if they're taking in the information, if they're learning authentically, then that's gonna be also efficient and effective. It is  [00:12:57] Maren: it's gonna be efficient. Like and if that is what [00:13:00] helps you wrap your mind around having a unique homeschool, then go with it. Like, because. To when your homeschool is uniquely yours, it is most efficient. [00:13:10] It really is. And it might seem like all frivolous things, but it is  [00:13:16] Angela: actually.  [00:13:18] Maren: The most learning or your time. It is actually the most learning for your time. It's not fluffy. It's actually deep, dense work that's happening, but it's because it's like you're diving into what your kids are super excited about. [00:13:33] That's where the best media learning happens. And so just savor that, like give yourself credit for all that learning that's happening. That's uniquely. Geared towards your kids, so exciting for  [00:13:48] Angela: sure. And oh yeah, go. I was just gonna say, like, there's a reason you're not in school. Right? What is that reason? [00:13:54] What is the reason that your kids aren't in school? Well, it's because you need something different, you know? [00:14:00] I mean, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is for you, but you needed something different. And so your homeschool does not have to look like school. It does not have to look like school in the number of hours. [00:14:12] Yeah, it doesn't have to look like school in the number of days. It does not have to look like school in the time of day. It does not have to look like school in the subjects that you are doing. It does not have to look like sitting at a desk like they do at school. School does things. School is good for a lot of kids, right? [00:14:30] But school is, is working with a classroom of 30 kids. Mm-hmm and they are working within constraints that you don't have. You have this freedom at home to do things that are best for your child. So make it look different because that is your advantage to being at home.  [00:14:47] Maren: I think this is such a big mistake of, of, you know, of many homeschoolers. [00:14:51] I will, I will put myself in that category, this category too, some big mistakes that we've probably all made is. The reason why we took our [00:15:00] kids outta school. We recreate those things at home. Like, you know, it was really hard for my child to do, I don't know, fractions and fourth grade, and then you take 'em home and you're like, okay, but you still have to do fractions in fourth grade. [00:15:17] yeah. You're in fourth grade or something. yeah. You know?  [00:15:20] Angela: Yeah, because you have in the back of your mind, like. Oh, but I, my kid still needs to learn this and it's still really important. And I'm just gently asking you why mm-hmm . Why do you think that you should just question the, these assumptions that you are repeating or that you hold in your head and I'm not saying it's not important. [00:15:40] I'm not saying fractions. Aren't important. I'm just saying, right, right. No, no, no, absolutely not ask yourself. Just, just question the things that you are holding dear. Right at this time,  [00:15:50] Maren: another thing that I think, you know, we take our kids home from school because of, you know, it might be some mental health issues or, you know, like they need more [00:16:00] connection, they need more connection. [00:16:01] And so we bring them home and then, you know, it's very easy to be like, okay, we can connect, but then we also have to do all these things. So I would say. If that's where you're at right now, you know, like 80, 90% of your day should be, you know, just fostering the connection. It shouldn't be, it doesn't have to be much of academics at all. [00:16:23] Maybe it's nothing right now, you know? So I'm just saying there is time for the The academics or whatever it is that, you know, you are feeling kind of rigid about right now, there is, there's gonna be time for that and it's gonna mm-hmm happen and it's gonna happen efficiently  [00:16:41] Angela: and effectively  [00:16:43] Maren: after you've. [00:16:44] You know, created this homeschool, this unique homeschool for yourself. Yeah. This, you know, the environment, the vibe, the connection, the, yeah. The enjoyment. If you create that first,  [00:16:57] Angela: mm-hmm,  [00:16:58] Maren: get that established and you can [00:17:00] always pull in things. You might have to sneak them in. You might, you might be able to do blocks of whatever the fractions or whatever. [00:17:08] But like create, create the environment first and that's gonna be  [00:17:13] Angela: so, so unique. Yeah. That's so good. One thing that I always strive for too is I wanna have kind of like what you're talking about. I wanna have like a balanced life and I, yes, don't really know how to say this. Other than like, I kind of want my weekends to look similar to my weekdays, you know, how. [00:17:30] In a traditional school or traditional work environment. You're like, oh, thank gosh, it's Friday. Oh yeah. Like I can finally relax it's Saturday, whatever. And then the Sunday dread, like, you know yeah. Yeah. And you're like gearing up for a week that you like hate or that you're just not looking forward to. [00:17:47] I want my kids, I want my kids and myself to be able to look forward to the week and look, and look forward to every day. Like this is balanced. We have enough time of. Rest we have enough time of [00:18:00] enjoying what we're doing. Yes, there are also some challenges and some things that are hard, but it doesn't have to take up the entire week. [00:18:08] And then it can feel like a this balance between like hard work and play and all of the things that are needed in a human life basically.  [00:18:18] Maren: Right. A self-regulated life. Exactly. Yeah. So, so, so true. So how do we do this? How do we, how do we. Create this unique homeschool that we really, really want, but we also feel. [00:18:33] Just pulled towards the needs and the the control sometimes.  [00:18:38] Angela: Yeah. And I think this starts with really like knowing yourself and your children. Yes. Yep. And I know we talk about this so much and but it's true, really getting to know yourself and getting to know your kids and, and not only like how they learn, but like what they're interested in. [00:18:56] Yeah. And what they wanna learn. Is the thing. It is [00:19:00] crucial in, in hearing them and not just hearing them, but like validating what they are interested in and validating who they are and lifting that up as being like really important. It's not a hindrance. It's not a roadblock to what you need to get done. [00:19:19] It is, it is the thing that you are working with. It is the, it is the reason you're here. And so like, use that to, yes. Create this life, this homeschool life.  [00:19:30] Maren: That is mind blowing what you just said. I wanna say that we talk about this a lot in our back to school summit, which is available. You can go to our website or our patron and it's, you'll find it. [00:19:43] It's free for patrons. It's free. It's free for patrons. It's. I mean, this, we talk about this, a lot of asking our kids and we go through specifically how to do that, how to  [00:19:53] Angela: go through, you know, this  [00:19:56] Maren: process where we figure out. The [00:20:00] school we wanna create the home, the home we wanna.  [00:20:03] Angela: With our kids. Right. So it, it involves, you know, like getting to know them and asking, you know, like I just talked about things that they're interested in, things that they wanna do, things that they wanna prioritize. [00:20:14] And then there will also be things that are important to you as the parent, you know, like, right. Absolutely. Yeah. You know what? Math is important to me and we, we do have to do that or you might have you know, something else that's also really important to you, but It's kind of a way of really listening to your kid first and foremost, and then also like sneaking in or fitting in a few things that are important to you too. [00:20:39] Maren: Mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah. And also, I mean, it is just as valuable. What they really want is just as valuable as what you want. And so it's okay to say this is really important to me. Let's figure out how we can work it all in together. I would say also when you, when you learn together about yourselves and [00:21:00] what unique things you wanna bring into your homeschool, maybe it's rock climbing. [00:21:06] you know, maybe it's You know, lots of trampoline time. I don't know. What is it? What's the thing that's like, just  [00:21:13] Angela: fires your kids up and maybe it's friends a lot of time. It's friends, friends time. Yeah. Lots of friends. It might  [00:21:19] Maren: be creating your own YouTube  [00:21:21] Angela: channel. I don't know. But I would say  [00:21:23] Maren: whatever those things are. [00:21:26] I would wager to guess there's probably, you're probably going to needs at some point in your homeschool, some unstructured time, and that just gives them this, you know, maybe an extended amount of time to do the thing that they're super interested in doing without you know, a parent led kind of thing. [00:21:46] It's like their time to explore and create and enjoy their interest. However they want to, and there can be times like obviously when there's parent support and things like that, but unstructured time does [00:22:00] feel a little, it feels like there's not much control there, but it also, and there can be certainly parameters around that, but that I have found that unstructured time is often what makes our homeschool has made our homeschool very unique. [00:22:18] Because everybody's doing the thing that they oh, yeah. Really are passionate or excited about or interested in, or just learning about for the first time, you know, mm-hmm, , it's just, you never know where they're gonna be on that spectrum, but it's just, it's so fun  [00:22:31] Angela: to watch. Yeah. Mar, this is so important, this unstructured time, because it's a win-win for everybody. [00:22:38] I know. As a parent, you need a break. I know you do. Mm-hmm I know you work so hard and it is a win-win. Yeah, you are not only homeschooling. Yeah. You're also doing everything around the house and Parenting and a million other things and prob maybe working and yeah, maybe you have a partner and you know, I don't know. [00:22:58] I know you you're [00:23:00] busy and or you probably have a baby, you probably have a lot of babies. I don't know. You probably really, really busy and you need, you need a break from homeschooling. This is, this is what you take it. Take this unstructured time, build it in every day from noon to one. Or noon to two or noon to three or whatever it is, however you wanna structure it. [00:23:21] We have unstructured time. Yes. This is when you can do whatever you are interested in, do it totally, totally. And it's not  [00:23:28] Maren: just the side time. This is not like, after you've done all the important things I'm going to give you this extra. Side time or whatever. No, no, no. This is the meet. This is,  [00:23:41] Angela: this is the heart of your homeschool. [00:23:44] Yeah. Yeah. And so Martin, I anticipate the, the butts or the mm-hmm the questions. People are gonna, the main question right now is probably like, well, what if my kid just wants to play on the iPad the whole time of their unstructured time? Like what would you say to [00:24:00] that? Well, that's  [00:24:00] Maren: a good question. I mean, everybody has their own boundaries. [00:24:04] Screen time. Yeah. I would say screen time is a valid thing to do. Yeah. During unstructured time. There's a lot of actually, when we say iPad time or screen time, we clump that all into. Bad category yeah. Find out what they're actually doing on their screen time. Mm-hmm maybe they're, you know, I don't know, learning how to  [00:24:26] Angela: do something on YouTube. [00:24:28] There's a lot of good stuff that could be happening. You  [00:24:30] Maren: never know. And it could be, or maybe it could be something that you initially. Cringe at,  [00:24:36] Angela: oh, they're watching a gamer on YouTube. I think that  [00:24:41] Maren: is dumb. I do not like that. , you know, or whatever. But I, I want you, I just wanna challenge you to number one, open your mind towards, to like, you know, what are the positive qualities of that? [00:24:51] There probably are some, so I would say number one, allow it allow some of. You know, also have your own [00:25:00] boundaries for it too. Yep. You know, it's okay. If you are uncomfortable with the amount of time they are getting influenced by this one YouTuber or whatever it is, that is you're right. You're probably right about that. [00:25:12] You know, there, there are some for sure boundaries that. Canon should be in place and talk about it and discuss why you're doing that too, for sure. So our, your kids understand but they also, they need to be heard, but then they also need to, you know, understand the boundaries. And so I think it's. [00:25:29] But then also, what are those? Okay. Dig more into like, what are those interests that they're, you know, actually into they're doing screen time, but what's the underlying like interest. Maybe you can draw something out of that. That's not on screens too. There's a lot of things like maybe this screen time goes along with a project. [00:25:48] You know, or I don't know who knows  [00:25:51] Angela: it might. And then you also wanna be careful not to ruin their love by creating a project that they have to do during which I've done structured time. I know we've all done that they've [00:26:00] done several times. Yeah. You do wanna,  [00:26:02] Maren: you do want them to be able to own that time and really feel like it's  [00:26:06] Angela: theirs. [00:26:06] Yeah. Right. So, I mean, I've done this several different ways. I've been like, yeah. Have at the screen time, I've also been like, well, you can do anything except screen time right now. I want you to like, think of different. I want you to think of other things that you're interested in. And also I have to say, like, this really depends on the child because like, yes, each one of my kids would handle this differently. [00:26:25] And I would probably parent differently around each of them. You know, you have again, it's about knowing yourself and your kids. Yep. And what works for everybody. Yes. Yes. But just the point is like having some time to be like, Hey, what do I really wanna do? Can you imagine if somebody said that to you right now? [00:26:42] Like, Hey Angela, right now for the next three hours, you only can do something that you're interested in. Like my gosh. Yeah. like, I would be so excited. Like you can't do any chores. You can't, you know,  [00:26:56] Maren: like, can't do any grocery shopping.  [00:26:58] Angela: Yeah. You can't. Yeah, no cleaning. You [00:27:00] have, you can, you can only do your interest right now. [00:27:02] How exciting. Yeah. Yeah, that would be really exciting. So give your child that gift. And again, it doesn't have to be three hours. It could be one or whatever.  [00:27:09] Maren: Exactly. Exactly whatever fits your unique homeschool, it's yours. Yeah. And then also just under this category of how I, I wanna reiterate, you may have to just do loss, less check, check. [00:27:22] How check in with your yourself, check in with your kids. How are you feeling? Are you feeling stressed? Is there, is there anything, you know, that's causing this stress and it may be that you've still like, just planned. Strived. really hard. And to make this homeschool, you know, mm-hmm, successful and it's a lot of, it can feel like a lot of work. [00:27:47] So I would just say, you know, it's okay to do  [00:27:49] Angela: less. It's okay to do less because here's the thing you're playing the long game. You don't have to do 10 subjects every week. For every [00:28:00] year of your child's life, you just don't. And so, you know, if you're making sure that you do everything right now, you really don't have to do that. [00:28:09] You can put out, you can just pick out the things that are the priority and save the rest for later. And. Sometime that thing will come up in a way that is authentic to everyone involved. And that's when you do that. And if it doesn't, you find a way to fit it in, at some point, you know what we've never actually done. [00:28:26] You know, I don't know us history or Victoria never done geography or whatever, you know what? We should probably do that. And then you will find a way to do it. It does not need to be every year, every week. Yep, exactly. Ugh. So give yourself the, the gift of doing a little bit less. Here's the good news. [00:28:46] You can always add more. Yep. You can always add more. You can, you can add more if you need to, if you do less and you're like, this isn't really feeling right. You don't have to do that. You can add more to make it feel better. Yep.  [00:28:59] Maren: Yep. [00:29:00] That's awesome. All right. Okay. Well I hope you found some nuggets that are gonna help you this. [00:29:08] This week in your homeschool, know what we're always  [00:29:10] Angela: going for is just a little bit of encouragement to yep. Let you know that we know you work hard and you're doing great. You're doing  [00:29:18] Maren: great. Yep. And we're not here to add more things to your plate. We're never here to add more. We're here to, if anything, take things off of your plate and help you feel like where you're at right now is great. [00:29:30] Yes, definitely. You're doing great right now. So, all right.  [00:29:34] Angela: All right. Let's move on to our loving this week's yes. We're really excited to get back to these. Yeah. The foods are one of our favorite parts of our. So Marin. Yes. What are you loving this week?  [00:29:46] Maren: Okay. I'm loving an app, actually. There's an app for me that I like to use. [00:29:51] It's called Pomodoro and it's this work method of working for 25 minutes and then taking a break for five minutes and I've been doing some [00:30:00] longer projects and this has been really great for me. Especially with someone with ADHD is to help me know like it's just an app and I start it and I see. [00:30:10] Visually the time are going down. Okay. From 25 minutes down to zero, and I know exactly how long I'm gonna be sitting at a computer and working, and then I know I'm gonna have a five minute break and then it starts my five minute break as well. That's  [00:30:27] Angela: awesome.  [00:30:27] Maren: Yeah. And I'm, I'm loving it because it's just like a, it's a limited amount of time that I know that I'm gonna be working. [00:30:35] Angela: Does it shut off like your distractions on your phone for that time too? Or do you still get text and  [00:30:40] Maren: stuff? No, it doesn't. But no, mm-hmm, I wonder if there, there may be an option for that and I don't know. Okay. I know there are some apps that do that.  [00:30:49] Angela: Yes. Okay. Yeah, you did tell me about this and I didn't get it, but I did start implementing it with just, yeah. [00:30:57] My time. On it's great too. Yes. And I have [00:31:00] to say it is really nice to be cuz then you, at the end you can be like, I just worked for 25 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. You feel accomplished.  [00:31:07] Maren: Right. And it has been proven that you do need those little breaks in your, for your brain. I mean  [00:31:12] Angela: you do. Yes. You need those breaks. [00:31:14] Mm-hmm mm-hmm so you're not tempted to go like. An hour,  [00:31:19] Maren: right? Because it's, it gets less efficient, you know, to work, to work that long. It does. Okay. Your brain just is less efficient when you're working that long and, and a deeper thing. So anyway, and then there's this, this one, there's also an app that is specifically for kids that is similar and it's called study bunny. [00:31:41] Focus timer B U N N Y. Mm. Okay. And so one of my kids just got this and it's a cute little gamified version of this, where you can earn points and you can set your timer. And it's much shorter. There's a cute little bunny that. [00:32:00] Times you . Mm that's awesome. Yeah, and it, and it looks a lot like a little game and yeah, you get points and you can buy things within the app with the points and it also, and I haven't explored this a ton, but there is a visual tracker too. [00:32:15] It'll show you very color. There's very colorful little A very colorful, like little bar graph. That'll show you like how long you spent on each of these. Yeah. Doing each of these things. So you gonna say that's awesome. I wanna read for five minutes. Yeah. And put that on there.  [00:32:29] Angela: So. That sounds great. And I have to say, like, this could work for any kid, not just a kid who has ADHD. [00:32:36] Right? Totally. Or just an adult who has ADHD, but like this works for anybody. It really does. It does.  [00:32:42] Maren: It's it's, it's widely used apps, both of these. That's awesome. So many people. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Angela, what do you  [00:32:50] Angela: loving this week? All right. I'm loving. My, my favorite show came back for season three and I had to tell everybody about it. [00:32:56] It's called never have I ever. Yeah. sudden [00:33:00] Netflix. This is a Mindy kaing production. I probably have talked about season one or two, one and two on here before. Because I love it so much. Yes. It's a teenage show. it? It is about high school, but don't care. You know, you just, you love what you love, right? [00:33:16] And I love you. Love what you love. High school high school shows I'm into those. Not all of 'em I'm into well done. High school shows. This is well done. This is well written. This is creative. This is. The characters in season three, if you've watched season one and two and you haven't watched three, yet three is the best the characters have developed really are learning from their mistakes. [00:33:39] They are, I would in, I want my kids to watch this because it's their good role models. For your teen. I feel like, right. That's awesome. Just in the way that they handle situations which is, is so  [00:33:53] Maren: great because it doesn't shy away from issues. No.  [00:33:56] Angela: And  [00:33:57] Maren: yet it's still a good  [00:33:58] Angela: positive show. [00:34:00] When I say they're good role models for my teens, I don't mean that they don't make mistakes and they don't do things that I wouldn't want my teens doing. [00:34:08] Like, you know, there's some drinking and sex and stuff like that. So but what I mean by is like the way they communicate, the way they are inclusive, mm-hmm the way they are growing and learning from their mistakes, I think is. Really really, really well done. I just, that's just the best. I think this is top notch and the actors are amazing. [00:34:30] Just love it. It's on Netflix. Yes. On episodes each season. I'm not embarrassed to say I binge them like in one sitting when it comes out. So I love him so much. Well, and Mindy healing,  [00:34:45] Maren: I can't, you can't go wrong. I mean, she's just wonderful.  [00:34:48] Angela: So cannot go wrong. Mm-hmm. If you haven't watched it, you wanna check it. [00:34:53] All right. All right. Well, thank you everybody for being here for our first episode, back for the fall [00:35:00] 2022 season, we wanna thank again, our three sponsors for the season blossom and root out school and night zookeeper. You should go to our show notes and check out their links and their discounts. 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Digital creator Dylan Marron has racked up millions of views for projects like "Every Single Word" and "Sitting in Bathrooms With Trans People" -- but he's found that the flip side of success online is internet hate. Over time, he's developed an unexpected coping mechanism: calling the people who leave him insensitive comments and asking a simple question: "Why did you write that?" In a thoughtful talk about how we interact online, Marron explains how sometimes the most subversive thing you can do is actually speak with people you disagree with, not simply at them. Listen to Dylan's podcast, "Conversations With People Who Hate Me", wherever you get your podcasts.

Digital creator Dylan Marron has racked up millions of views for projects like "Every Single Word" and "Sitting in Bathrooms With Trans People" -- but he's found that the flip side of success online is internet hate. Over time, he's developed an unexpected coping mechanism: calling the people who leave him insensitive comments and asking a simple question: "Why did you write that?" In a thoughtful talk about how we interact online, Marron explains how sometimes the most subversive thing you can do is actually speak with people you disagree with, not simply at them. Listen to Dylan's podcast, "Conversations With People Who Hate Me", wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Danny Lavery welcomes Dylan Marron, author of the book Conversations with People Who Hate Me, and the host and creator of the critically acclaimed podcast by the same name. Marron recently joined the writing staff of the Emmy-winning hit television series Ted Lasso. Lavery and Marron take on two letters. First, from a letter writer who doesn't want to give up on his once supportive dad. Another letter writer wants to stop bickering with her husband over house chores. Plus, the story behind Marron's book and podcast, Conversations with People Who Hate Me. Slate Plus members get another episode of Big Mood, Little Mood every Friday: sign up now! Need advice? Send Danny a question here. Email: mood@slate.com Production by Phil Surkis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Danny Lavery welcomes Dylan Marron, author of the book Conversations with People Who Hate Me, and the host and creator of the critically acclaimed podcast by the same name. Marron recently joined the writing staff of the Emmy-winning hit television series Ted Lasso. Lavery and Marron take on two letters. First, from a letter writer who doesn't want to give up on his once supportive dad. Another letter writer wants to stop bickering with her husband over house chores. Plus, the story behind Marron's book and podcast, Conversations with People Who Hate Me. Slate Plus members get another episode of Big Mood, Little Mood every Friday: sign up now! Need advice? Send Danny a question here. Email: mood@slate.com Production by Phil Surkis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices