Podcast appearances and mentions of kevin mcmahon

For the 15th anniversary of the second Titus Andronicus album, The Monitor, we take a detailed look at how it was made. After Patrick Stickles founded Titus Andronicus in Glen Rock, New Jersey in 2005, he worked with a rotating group of musicians, many of whom he had known in high school. By the time they were ready to record their first album, the lineup had coalesced around Stickles, Liam Betson, Dan Tews, Ian Graetzer and Ian Dykstra. The New Jersey label, Troubleman Unlimited, agreed to put out their debut album and pay for studio time with producer Kevin McMahon, who they had worked with on their early recordings. The Airing of Grievances was released in 2008 and was an unexpected success. XL Recordings became interested in signing the band and agreed to rerelease their debut album in 2009. Around this time, Eric Harm took over on drums, while Stickles moved to Somerville, Massachusetts and began writing the songs that would make up their second album. Using their advance from XL, they booked a month in Kevin McMahon's studio and began recording the album. The Monitor was eventually released in 2010. In this episode, Patrick Stickles describes his grand vision of a concept album framed around the American Civil War. He describes his routine at the time where he would stay up late, smoke pot and watch Ken Burns's Civil War documentary. Stickles talks about how gobsmacked he was by the film and how the words of historical figures like Abraham Lincoln and Walt Whitman inspired him to include their words as a framing device on this record. He also describes this time in his life when he was graduating college and applying to graduate school but deciding to abandon his plans as the band started to become successful. Partially inspired by Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run, Stickles talks about how he felt like he needed to take advantage of a potentially fleeting moment, where he had a deal with a new label, the attention of the music press, and a growing audience around the world. The result was the big swing of The Monitor, where the band had no qualms about attempting to create a generational touchstone. From the indie rock boom years to casting his friends in reenactment roles to ambitious song suites to incorporating the music of the Civil War to exploring the eternal us vs. them conflict to the continuing saga of mental health to the importance of conviction and raising the stakes, we'll hear the stories around how the record came together. Intro/Outro Music: “The Anniversaries” by The Tisburys, from the album, A Still Life Revisited Episode produced, edited and mixed by Dan Nordheim Additional mixing and mastering by Jeremy Whitwam

Margarita Vasquez-Ponte in conversation with David Eastaugh The original members of the band were Andrew Tully (guitars/vocals), Eric Webster and Angus McPake (bass guitar), Fran Schoppler (vocals), Margarita Vasquez-Ponte (drums), Kevin McMahon (guitars), and Stuart Clarke (guitar). Tully and Vasquez-Ponte were also members of Rote Kapelle, a band that was active from 1985–1988. This initial line-up recorded the first two singles, "Splashing Along" and "The Rain Fell Down" (described by one reviewer as a "pop gem that's not to be missed") on Narodnik Records.

Those of us deeply entrenched in the world of peer-to-peer fundraising have long recognized that one of the greatest strengths of our events and campaigns lies within the sense of community and shared experiences we create for our supporters. However, in an increasingly data-driven environment, quantifying the return on investment (ROI) for cultivating these relationships and creating impactful mission moments can be challenging. By examining the impact of P2P participation on a donor's lifetime value, we can begin to truly understand the long-term significance of our efforts and therefore make the case for even greater investment. By speaking a common language, we can break down the silos between peer-to-peer and individual giving teams and open our organizations up to even greater opportunity.In the episode, P2PPF's Marcie Maxwell sits down with Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's Kevin McMahon & Jon Thompson.   This dynamic team will dig into how looking at peer-to-peer fundraisers through the lens of lifetime value has shifted their overall philosophy and strategies behind their signature P2P events.  In this episode, we'll also explore:How this fresh approach to data has changed their staffing, goals and budgetsThe tangible & intangible value of communityThe importance of humility in cross-functional partnershipsMentioned LinksChildren's Hospital of PhiladelphiaStay Connected on LinkedInConnect with KevinConnect with JonConnect with MarcieConnect with the Peer-to-Peer Professional Forum (00:00) - Welcome to The P2P Soap Box (01:50) - Introducing Kevin McMahon and Jon Thompson (06:02) - P2P at CHOP (08:17) - Lifetime Value (17:01) - The State of the Industry (30:23) - The Future (34:49) - Getting Started with Lifetime Value (40:01) - Learn more and get involved!

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Welcome to another episode of our podcast, where we delve into the fascinating world of filmmaking.Today, we have the pleasure of hosting Christopher Donaldson, a seasoned video editor whose work spans an extensive variety of dramatic and documentary features and television.Christopher's impressive credits include Sarah Polley's “Women Talking” and “Take This Waltz”, David Cronenberg's “Crimes of the Future”, "Reacher" for Amazon Prime, "The Handmaid's Tale" for Hulu, Atom Egoyan's "Remember", and "Penny Dreadful" for Showtime/SkyAtlantic. His work for television includes "Vikings" for History/Shaw, “Flashpoint” for CBS/CTV, "The Kids in the Hall: Death Comes To Town" for CBC, and "Slings & Arrows" for TMN/Showcase/Sundance Channel.Born and raised in Toronto, Canada and Seoul, South Korea, Christopher began his journey in filmmaking with short videos in high school before attending Queen's University, where he received his BAH in Film in 1994.Upon graduating, he embarked on his editing apprenticeship in Toronto, working under noted Canadian film editors Ronald Sanders, Susan Maggi, and Reginald Harkema.Christopher's editing career took off with director Alan Zweig, with whom he shared a passion project/obsession - the film "Vinyl". Over the years, he continued to pursue a personal and passionate approach to editing and collaboration, making films with directors Kevin McMahon, Peter Wellington, and two more "Mirror" documentaries with Alan Zweig.It was with Peter Wellington that Christopher moved into dramatic television, editing all 18 episodes of the acclaimed "Slings & Arrows".His exceptional work has earned him two Director's Guild of Canada awards for "Slings & Arrows", a Gemini Award for "The Border", and a Canadian Cinema Editors award for "Penny Dreadful".Apart from editing, Christopher is also the writer and director of the film "2:14pm", part of a compilation entitled "Little Films About Big Moments".In this episode, we delve into Christopher's journey, his approach to editing, his collaborations, and his transition from documentaries to dramatic television. Stay tuned for an insightful conversation about the art and craft of storytelling through editing.Also, you can check out my documentary The People of Brixton, on Kwelitv here: https://www.kweli.tv/programs/the-people-of-brixtonDamien Swaby Social Media Links:Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/filmmaker_damien_swaby/Twitterhttps://twitter.com/DamienSwaby?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorWebsitehttp://filmmakingconversations.com/If you enjoy listening to Filmmaking Conversations with Damien Swaby, I would love a coffee. Podcasting is thirsty work https://ko-fi.com/damienswabyThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4532542/advertisement

In this episode, your host Amy Milne gets real with Kevin McMahon, Sr. Director, Peer to Peer & Community Fundraising at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP for short!). When Kevin left his marketing job with the Philadelphia Eagles to join CHOP 11 years ago, he had no experience in healthcare and would get tripped up (and even struggle to pronounce!) the word 'philanthropy'. Those days are long over. Kevin walks us through their events portfolio which is divided into four categories: special events, executive events, peer-to-peer events and community events. He emphasizes the importance of being donor-centric and how having great relationships with other teams (marketing, communications, individual giving, etc.) is the key to success. Kevin lets us in on his own definition of "R and D" (it's not what you think!) and reminds us that you don't always have to create an original event idea. The Philly Spin-In event is a great example of an event concept that existed in the peer-to-peer space, and by ensuring that it made sense for them as an organization and met their strategic objectives, it became a very successful fundraising event. Kevin and Amy also have an important conversation around how to recognize those who are participating in memory of a lost loved one. Kevin's words of wisdom are worth their weight in gold, so we highly recommend having a pen and paper ready so you don't miss anything!For more information on the amazing work that CHOP is doing, check out their website.“If we lead with community and belonging, then fundraising will follow.” – Kevin McMahonConnect with us:Beyond Fundraising Inc: https://www.startingbeyond.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-milne-8946791/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/milneamyr/https://www.instagram.com/startbeyond/

Some coaches make training seem complex. Some make it seem oh so simple. And when you play the long game it is. Coach Paddy McGrath has been coaching Rudy Winkler for nearly 15 years. Slow and steady he's developed into the American record holder and a favorite for the podium at this summer's World Championships. On this week's episode he joins us to talk about his approach to training, teaching, and throwing. For more information on this topic, read the complete show notes at: https://www.hmmrmedia.com/2023/07/hmmr-podcast-episode-303-playing-the-long-game-with-paddy-mcgrath/ »  Support the show: join HMMR PLUS to get full access to our coaching resources. More notes: This episode is brought to you by HMMR Plus. Become a member for full access to our videos, articles, and podcast archives. You can follow McGrath on Instagram at (@paddyhammer77.49m). For more resources on the hammer throw you can find on our throwing page. Some top podcasts on the hammer throw include Episode 266 with Lance Deal and Episode 192 with Kevin McMahon. Here's a little article I wrote back in 2013 to quiet critics who were second guessing Winkler's college choice of an academic powerhouse over a throwing powerhouse.

Today, Craig gets the opportunity to talk to Kevin Quantum! One of the most interesting characters in magic with an origin story that's way different to anything you've ever heard of before!

Podcast Link https://linktr.ee/jourdanandmatthew  Coast Archeologist Kevin McMahon in the studio for the 2nd time. Digging into the rich history and discussing his past experiences.

Incoming President and CEO of the Pittsburgh Cultural Trust, Kendra Whitlock Ingram, joins Rick to talk about her vision for the Cultural Trust, replacing the retiring current president Kevin McMahon, and what music you can find her listening to. 

Conversation with veteran filmmaker/DP and former world class diver Kevin McMahon, on the making of the proof of concept short film CLASSIFIED. “An elite group of soldiers go on mission to rescue missing comrades but when they enter the abandoned power plant they soon find that an evil presence is behind the disappearances and the fighters find themselves against an enemy they cannot beat.” http://www.pathfindermotionpictureco.com/classified.html https://www.facebook.com/ClassifiedHorrorFilm/ —- Film playing on the Film Festival Streaming service later this month. You can sign up for the 7 day free trial at www.wildsound.ca (available on your streaming services and APPS). There is a DAILY film festival to watch, plus a selection of award winning films on the platform. Then it's only $3.99 per month. Subscribe to the podcast: https://twitter.com/wildsoundpod https://www.instagram.com/wildsoundpod/ https://www.facebook.com/wildsoundpod

On today's episode of The Confluence: Physicians in Pennsylvania can't advertise their ability to prescribe marijuana, but marijuana certification businesses are making millions of dollars connecting patients to physicians; the State Small Business Credit Initiative Program will soon be distributing $584 million to businesses in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware; and Pittsburgh Cultural Trust's president and CEO is retiring after two decades at the helm. Today's guests include: Ed Mahon, investigative reporter with Spotlight PA; Steve D'Ettorre, state deputy secretary of technology and innovation; and J. Kevin McMahon, president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Cultural Trust.

Welcome to the ULI Ottawa podcast, connecting industry professionals and leaders in an active discussion about real estate and land use across the Nation's Capital. In episode three, our hosts Brandon Yuke and Kevin McMahon are joined by Sara Hobbs from the Taggart Group of Companies and Kristina Hamilton from Hamilton Recruiting to discuss recruiting, employment and how to retain top talent in the real estate industry in Ottawa.

Welcome to the ULI Ottawa podcast, connecting industry professionals and leaders in an active discussion about real estate and land use across the Nation's Capital. In episode two, our hosts Brandon Yuke and Kevin McMahon sit down with James Beach from Broccolini to discuss the Industrial real estate market in Ottawa and surrounding areas.

Welcome to the ULI Ottawa podcast, connecting industry professionals and leaders in an active discussion about real estate and land use across the Nation's Capital. In our first episode, our hosts Brandon Yuke and Kevin McMahon sit down with Shawn Hamilton from Canderel to discuss the impact of COVID-19 on commercial real estate in Ottawa.

On this episode of Freedom Fighters, Governor Scott Walker is joined by YAF's Kara Zupkus and Kevin McMahon to talk about the latest exposé from Young America's Foundation on the illiberal nonsense going on within Cornell University's student government. Plus, why conservatives should pay attention to campus culture if they want to understand current and future attempts to undermine freedom. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/scottwalker/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/scottwalker/support

My guest today is Kevin McMahon of Marcata Recording first started by The Walkmen in 2000 as a purely analog facility located in Harlem inside what had been a Nascar production facility.   Kevin joined in 2003 and took over daily operations, bringing his collection of vintage microphones, preamps, and a long history of studying great live performance from the decade of work as a live sound engineer/designer at the now-defunct but not forgotten venue Brownies in New York City’s East Village.   Doing live sound is where Kevin developed his love of living interactions between musicians, and the ability to recognize the spirit of an artists’ vision and to act with a sense of urgency toward nurturing an environment to allow that vision to be realized at any cost.  Some of Kevin’s credits include: Real Estate, Pile, Parlor Walls, Mr Gnome, The Walkmen, The French Kicks, Diarrhea Planet, and Herzog to name just a few.  Thanks so much to Caleb for making our introduction. Thanks to our sponsors! JZ Microphones: Use coupon ROCKSTARS to get 50% off The BB29 mic at JZmic.com PreSonus Studio One: https://www.presonus.com Spectra1964: https://www.spectra1964.com OWC: Other World Computing: https://www.OWC.com iZotope: iZotope.com/Rockstars code ROCK10 10% off API Audio: http://www.apiaudio.com Soundporter Mastering: https://www.soundporter.com RSR Academy: http://RSRockstars.com/Academy Want to learn more about mixing? Get Free mix training with Lij at: http://MixMasterBundle.com Hear more on Spotify If you love the podcast, then please Leave a review on iTunes here CLICK HERE FOR SHOW NOTES AT: http://RSRockstars.com/276

Kevin McMahon, President and CEO of the Pittsburgh Cultural Trust, fills us in on the pandemic year First Night Celebration, the Harris Theater films and efforts of the Cultural Trust to maintain viability during the pandemic with the challenge of very few people in the city and most cultural events canceled. Kevin reflects on the future of the plan to add a commercial first run theater downtown. Kevin also remembers his years at the Kennedy Center as Executive Vice President where he attended and worked on the Kennedy Center Honors, met Bob Dylan, and was a regular at the White House. He suggests a few Washington DC musts for visitors.

Kevin gives an update on how the Cultural Trust is transforming virtually and the struggle for stage actors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Our guest today explains the reasons why senior executives, CFOs, CMOs, VPs of Sales, and the like, are leaving full-time employment and "going fractional" more and more. Kevin McMahon is a CFO Advisor at Vertex CFO (https://VertexCFO.com/). He provides fractional CFO services to middle market and well-funded start-up companies. Previously, he served as head of finance at numerous organizations over a 25 year financial leadership career. Kevin also explains why so many of his clients are in expansion mode now in this post-Coronavirus world and what role a good CFO plays in that process. Listen to the show on YouTube below, on Apple podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-an-entrepreneurial-community/id1465488607), wherever you normally get your podcasts, or listen on the web at http://WinWin.Cast.Rocks.

  On July 16, 2020 the ACEC Research Institute held the last roundtable in its "Future of Engineering" series.  The event brought together some of the most respected thought leaders in the infrastructure space to discuss the financial effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on the future of funding for infrastructure projectsPanelists included:• Rosemarie Andolino, Former Chairman of MAG USA and CEO of International Development, Manchester Airport Group• Anirban Basu, Chairman and CEO, Sage Policy Group• Jeff Davis, Senior Fellow, Eno Center for Transportation• David Zipper, Visiting Fellow, Harvard Kennedy School’s Taubman Center for State and Local Government• Moderator: Joseph Bates, ACEC Research InstituteTranscript:Daphne Bryant:On behalf of the ACEC Research Institute's, Board of Directors, welcome to our third round table in the series, the future of engineering. A big thank you to our donors who have made this session possible. We have a great group of thought leaders here today. As you can see on your screen, they're going to share their insights and expertise with us on the future of funding in our new normal. Now without further ado, it's my pleasure to introduce two of my colleagues from the ACEC Research Institute, Joe Bates, who will serve as our moderator for today's session, and Kevin McMahon who will be monitoring the chat box and fielding your questions during the session, Joe, it's all yours.Joe Bates:Great. Thank you, Daphne, and thank you all for joining us today. First, I'd like to introduce you to our panelists that we have with us first there's Rosemarie Andolino, Former Chairman of MAG USA and CEO of International Development, Manchester Airport Group in the UK, where she oversaw the development of MAG's North American and global airport services business. She currently serves as an independent board member and advisor to various for-profit and not for profit organizations. And previously she served as the Commissioner of the Chicago Department of Aviation, where she oversaw the management and operations of one of the world's busiest airport systems that comprise of O'Hare and Midway International Airports. Rosemarie, welcome today. I'd also like to welcome Anirban Basu. Anirban is Chairman and CEO of Sage Policy Group an economic and policy consulting firm. Headquartered in Baltimore, Maryland with an office in Indonesia, the firm provides strategic analytical services to energy suppliers, law firms, medical systems, government agencies, and real estate developers among others.Joe Bates:In 2014, Maryland governor Larry Hogan appointed Anirban Chair of the Maryland Economic Development Commission. He also serves as the Chairman of the Baltimore County Economic Advisory Committee. Welcome Anirban. Next I'd like to introduce Jeff Davis. Jeff is a senior fellow with the Eno Center for Transportation and is also the editor of the Eno Transportation. Weekly. Jeff has worked on Capitol Hill working on various legislative budget process oversight and parliamentary procedure issues. He also worked extensively on the FAA, Amtrak and surface transportation reauthorization laws in the late 1990s. His current work focuses on analysis of the federal budget, federal transportation budget, and his longterm trends in transportation, funding, and policy. Finally, I'd like to welcome David Zipper. David is a visiting fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Taubman Center for State and Local Government, where he examines the interplay between urban policy and new mobility technologies.Joe Bates:David's perspectives are rooted in his experience working within city hall, as well as being a venture capitalist policy researcher and startup advocate. He has consulted with numerous startups and public officials about regulatory strategy. So thank you all for joining us today and welcome.Joe Bates:I'd like to go ahead and get started and jump right in to get a, sort of a feel of what's going on with the economy. As everybody knows, the US economy, as well as the engineering profession was hit quite hard by the pandemic and the last business impact survey that ACEC conducted showed that over 80% of firms said, they felt that the economy was in worse shape today than it was on March 1st before the pandemic really took hold. So clearly there's a lot of pain going on out there. There's a lot of stimulus efforts that have happened, but Anirban, I'd like to turn to you and ask you to give us an overview of what's happening with the economy right now and where you think it's going in the next five years or so.Anirban Basu:Yeah, well look, the recession is dated to have begun in February. According to the national Bureau of economic research is Business Cycle Dating Committee. I think by late April, it was over in late April. That was the nadir for mobility of Americans based on cell phone and other data. You know, Governor Kemp in Georgia started opening up the economy on April 20th. And there was a lot of cash that had been built up in the economy and the household sector because of those $1,200 checks for $600 in federal subsidies for unemployment insurance benefits. So the household savings rate went from 8% pre-crisis to 33% by April. The economy opens up in May guess what? We get job growth, 2.7 million jobs added in may. We followed up in June 4.8 million. That's not consistent with recession. And so it felt pretty good. Didn't it?Anirban Basu:Retail sales surging 17.7% in may then again, bouncing back in June felt really good. And then what happens Florida? It's always Florida. For some reason, Florida, Arizona, Texas, Georgia Governor of Oklahoma is now COVID-19 positive. So the surgeon reinfection has put the entire economic recovery in doubt. And we can see that some of these reopenings have been postponed. Some of them have been reversed. We've got the initial jobless claims today at 8:30 AM Eastern Standard Time. And they were somewhat disappointing the market's down today. So I was looking forward to a third and fourth quarter. That was very robust in terms of the economic expansion. It might still happen because people don't seem to care that there is this viral spread. They're just going about their lives. I'm in Ocean City, Maryland today. No one out there on the beach is wearing a mask. I can tell you, and they're not social distancing. They're just going about life. As, as if it's normal, you would know that there was a pandemic. So for right now, the economic outlook is very uncertain. I just think that the economic expansion will continue through the end of the year, but it won't be nearly as dramatic as I had hoped up until about a month ago.Joe Bates:How long do you think Anirban that the overhang will stay with us? You know, there's bound to be a vaccine in the early part of next year think pretty much everybody is banking on that right now. So let's say we get a vaccine, you know, things return back to normal in terms of how society functions sometime next year, what's the longer term outlook are we gonna, is this like 2009? Are we going to be sort of suffering for a while? Or do you think it's going to be a lot shorter than that?Anirban Basu:Oh no. I think it would be longer than that. And I'll tell you why, you know, after 2009, you know, the economy sort of came back to life, you know, I mean, we pumped a lot of money into the economy. We recapitalize the banks, the federal reserve increases balance sheet from $800 billion. Pre-Crisis the four and a half trillion dollars during and after the crisis. So, you know, the money disappeared as the housing market collapsed. You know, that's what caused, you know, 2008, 2009, we put money back into the system, bam LinkedIn's economic expansion, American history, and very little inflation, booming stock market. It was fabulous. And we entered with that momentum in January and February of 2020. And in February we added more than a quarter million jobs this time. What do we have? We have shattered government finances, state, and local. We have a commercial real estate sector that is in deep recession and will take years to recover, right?Anirban Basu:Empty storefront, shuttered restaurants, vacated office suites. And so that weakness lingers, we've got lots of debt on various balance sheets, household balance sheets, corporate balance sheets. And of course, governmental balance sheets and especially the federal government, right, which in June ran nearly a $900 billion deficit for one month, you know, $64 billion dollars. So you put all that together. I think it is possible to talk about a double the procession. And in fact, it is conceivable that we'll have that double dip this year. If, you know, if you agree with my proposition that we were in recession, we came out of recession. We could go in back into recession this year. And then at some point in the future, once this new, next round of stimulus works its way through the economy, you can get another recession thereafter. So there's, you know, a w and then another V on top of that, it's a really risky moment in economic history and the policymakers have to get this right. And those are political outcomes they have to get right. And political outcomes are rarely, right. So, I mean, that's where we are right now, very uncertain place.Joe Bates:Great. Okay. Anirban, thank you for that perspective. I'd next like to focus on a question for Jeff as as some of you probably know who, who have looked at the ACEC business impact study that we conducted 90%, nine zero, 90% of firms reported obtaining a PPP loan to bridge the summer and spring trough that many expected. The question here is, will clients start new projects once we get through the summer, or are we gonna continue to struggle through next year? Jeff, what do you think?Jeff Davis:In terms of the regular the regular federal infrastructure programs, the federal side of the spending hasn't been affected yet by any of this coronavirus? The, the, the question is always really the degree to which the level of the government that can print its own money. The federal government is going to step in temporarily and assist the levels of government that can't print their own money, state and local. And so you saw a little bit like $150 billion of aid to state and local governance was in the last traunch coronavirus relief the S the house back zone wishlist bill about a month ago, three and a half trillion dollars in one bill that was going to have like $500 billion from state governments. None of that set aside directly for state DOTs, but that's the fundamental question you gotta answer is if you're going to provide a, to state and local governments, does the federal government single out transportation as being privileged and give it a special carve out of money and leave everything else up to state local politicians to determine the priorities, or do they make transportation aid subject to state and local decisions in place that you know, weighing it against the needs for education, budgets of corrections budgets of all the other things that state governments do.Jeff Davis:There is zero consensus right now in Congress of whether state DOTs in particular should receive a special targeted round of assistance. That's not subject to state and local governments determining where to best allocate the resource. The Senate Majority Leader McConnell is going to introduce his own coronavirus bill next week. They've got a July 31st deadline for leaving town, at least the house for five weeks, and also unemployment insurance rent. So extended unemployment's going to be in that bill at some rate. We're not sure if the special $600 bonus will be in there or any kind of bonus at what level McConnell wants to put at least $75 billion in dangling a carrot financial aid and school systems that open on time in late August, September. And the only other thing I know about that bill is that he's determined to keep the price tag below $1 trillion.Speaker 4:So you're going to have you have a House bill, a three and a half trillion, the Senate trying to max out at 1 trillion, and they're going to have between middle of next week and July 31st to figure out what that goes. So, because it doesn't do any good, the federal government putting out money at 80% federal share for highways, if the state or local DOT can't afford its own 20%, or is uncertain, whether they're going to have the dedicated revenues over the next X number of months to cover their 20%. So that's the basic issue is the uncertainty of government tax receipts at the state and local level is going to start tampering all this.Joe Bates:So, so if I can press you on this just a little bit, Jeff, and I'd also like to get David's thoughts on this. You're saying the federal money is there. So are projects going to be effected. And if so, in what way?Jeff Davis:Cash going out the door for federal infrastructure programs has not really been affected at all yet by coronavirus, but for the big highway and transit programs, those are reimbursable dollars. The government signs a contract upfront only after the state government pays the contractor do they come to the US Department of Transportation and get reimbursed. So the dollars leaving the door and the treasury is a lagging indicator. Unfortunately, it's the most up to date indicator we have as far as monthly basis. We'll find out next week, hopefully on the obligation to the grant agreements actually signed between the federal government and state local government for infrastructure we'll hopefully have enough later quarterly total on that. And they're about to move to monthly reporting on that. So we can finally get something other than anecdotal evidence, you know, from States, state DOT here, or city transit agency there on how much they're curtailing their future spending plans in light of the coronavirus revenue uncertainty, but at the federal level, we don't quite have the data yet on just the degree to which the federal governments, local and state government infrastructure partners are rolling back activity, looking to the future yet.David Zipper:Yeah. And can I follow on, on that? Is that.Joe Bates:Yeah, go ahead, David.David Zipper:Yeah. And, and just cause I do a lot of work in particular with urban transportation, like the transit agency is I can sort of speak from that perspective and everything that Jeff is saying is, is I think true and the lack of certainty, the lack of clarity at the federal level sort of filters down to transit agencies, being very concerned or cities being very concerned about future cash support, which leads them to make decisions now about future planning. And I can give a few examples of that. You can see that that very simply some of the groups that are hit the hardest by this right now, it would be the transit agencies that live off of their farebox revenue. They're using the farebox revenue from last week to pay their bills from this week.David Zipper:So just this week, there's been a big controversy in the Bay area where CalTrans may or may not get the funding. It would need through a special sales tax to be able to continue. And there's it's kind of incredible for his affluent areas, the Bay Area, serious conversation about CalTrans ceasing service. And if that happens that actually, and I want to make this clear since given the audience here, it's not like you can just turn off a transit agency and then turn it back on. You're losing mechanics, you're losing specialized knowledge about the technology and the vehicles that it's very difficult to emulate. And you look over New York with the MTA saying that they're going to have money to get through August. And they're the, the, the director was saying yesterday that she's being forced to go through the whole org chart, to lay people off and then sort of compounding these problems.David Zipper :You've got, especially in New York, for those who may be there, you've got the Trump administration are sitting on decongestion pricing, which would have otherwise provided a $15 billion cash infusion into MTA at a time that really needs it. So, there's plenty more examples I could cite, but I would simply say, you know, this is a time when in the urban transportation side, which I would imagine is of interest to many in the audience. You're seeing a lot of leaders being forced to assume the worst, because there's just no clarity from the federal government about whether there'd be a secondary infusion like there was with the cares act, which is forcing them to hunker down and, and make some really difficult decisions.Jeff Davis:And at the state level, most States operate under constitutions or laws prohibiting them from running a deficit. So the deficits are cash in cash out. So they've got to arrange their, their future spending commitments based on anticipate the latest anticipated future tax revenues. And that's why they have to particularly curtail slow spending capital programs early and upfront to try to make sure that they don't run a deficit six or eight, six or 12 months down the line when the bills are coming due and being paid.Joe Bates:Rosemarie, I want to get you in the conversation here is what else how do you see since we're talking about the public sector here in public funding, how is the public funding going to affect the airlines? The airports, obviously the airlines got a little bit of assistance in the last month or so maybe not as much as they wanted, but what's your take on the public funding and how that's gonna affect the airline sector?Rosemarie Andolino:Well, I think you've seen two things, right? Not only did the airlines get some money, but airports did as well. Right now I think everybody is in a cost constraining mode, right? No spending, looking at ways to actually conserve money and continue the projects that have been funded or continue moving along. The things that have you know, make sense, but, longterm projects, new terminal developments, where if they haven't already again, been funded are going to be placed in a whole holding pattern right now, due to the fact that we need to see where the world's going. We need to see what type of demand there will be. I think this aligns, however, with large capital projects needing time to plan things out in order to before construction. But what will the future look like? That's going to be the challenge that we face.Rosemarie Andolino:And I think that's where we need to focus. Our time and energy right now is looking at what are going to be the needed things that our ports are going to need to put in place. If you think about 9/11 and what occurred after 9/11 TSA, we have all these check-in facilities. Now, you know, you have the meter greeter halls that now have all these security measures in place in places like Chicago's airports, older facilities, most U S airports weren't built to handle that type of impact in our terminal facilities. However, now what you see is going to be another layer of potential demands or needs of policy changes, which we won't even know for a while yet what's going to happen. So I think at the moment, airport directors, airlines are still trying to understand what is going to need to happen for, you know, the issue we're dealing with today, the pandemic we're dealing with today, but what then does the future bring, what do we have to plan for for the next phase of the next? What is?Rosemarie Andolino:The one thing I will say about our industry is, you know, the aviation sector has always been an indicator in the economy, right? It kind of leads because of the fact that you have to book your travel in advance. You start seeing where the spending is going. You start seeing what the airlines are putting in place, whether the demand is for the next three months, what's going to be happening in the fall. So this is going to be a time now where we're going to see the booking. So what's going to be booked by carriers and what the demand's going to be. You know, as cities are kind of hunkering down again, putting in more restrictions of travel, what's that next phase going to be, and what are those impacts going to be? And that's just phase one. We're not even into our fall phase two yet of what could happen.Rosemarie Andolino:But on the positive note is the aviation industry has always recovered stronger than where it was before. So ideally, you know, we could see these trends, you know, and recovery happened quickly. However, we're still out three to five years in that recovery. And what we'll come back first will be that domestic travel, right? The leisure travel, domestic travel, what's still on hold right now, which is kind of the bread and butter of the industry is business travel. And that is a key importance to the success of the entire, not only aviation industry, but hospitality industry as well. We talked about, you know, the entire economy at the opening of restaurants, et cetera, that all feeds from travel aviation and business.Joe Bates:So I want to ask a couple of followups here, Rosemarie, you talked about the short term and then the long term. So let's break that down in terms of funding, how are the airports and the airlines going to do the things they need to do in the short term? Where are they going to get the money from for that?Rosemarie Andolino:Well, again, I think there's been, there's been some money that has been passed around recently. I think everybody's looking at what's going to be the next phase. Is there going to be another CARES Act two? Or is it going to be the HR 2 and there will be, will there be provisions in that for and again, we'll the neck, there'll be another round of care act funding, right? So those two things are going to be extremely important. I think right now, in terms of where they get the money is again, what they've already issued. So airports are reliant on garbs right? General airport revenue, back bonds that have already perhaps been issued for key projects or AIP money that has come from the federal government and airports have, are they, they are longterm, they plan three, five years out. So projects I've already been planned designed, perhaps they're going through the bidding stage now for construction, you know, depending on what part of the world you're in. So that's work is going to continue. What the question will be is major, you know, terminal redevelopments, right? Major projects. When you have additional capacity right now in the, in, in the market, the question really is, are you going to retrofit your facilities, use that money to retrofit your facilities, to perhaps close down some concourses to consolidate the operations. You know, it's impacted everybody from the cleaning people that are, you know, the cleaning crews and cleaning these large facilities to the operations of concessions. You talked about the airlines, you know, the airports, there's so many jobs and activities that are part of aviation. So many behind the scenes that you don't realize that are, again, especially with key facilities like that are huge. Cargo has continued, you know, the demand for cargo high value cargo.Rosemarie Andolino:So a lot of retrofitting for those aircraft have been carrying cargo. Passenger carriers have been carrying cargo now more, even in, not only in the belly of the plane, but they've converted, you know, the passenger seating to carry cargo as well. So, you know, that has been growing and has been stable. But in terms of getting revenue, collecting money from what the normal revenue creations would be like, you know, the Passenger Facility Charge the concessionaires, all of that has basically come to a halt. It's just trickling it. And so that's where the focus will be on O&M, right? In terms of the maintenance of your facilities, I think to take advantage. Well, when I was at O'Hare, we were in a decline. It was the recession when we were building the $8 billion expansion program. And Kevin will remember this many airports were actually closing down their programs because of what was ahead.Rosemarie Andolino:We were actually moving forward because of the down in traffic, gave us the ability to actually build those runways, the infrastructure that normally has to be, you know, that's normally impacted with high volumes of operations, give you a little bit more flexibility in that construction of those major impacting projects. So for airports like Utah, who have said, we're going to continue to go forward, you know, they're continuing to build their facilities to get it done, save money on delivering it faster, right. And build, you know, it's, it's in that stage of what it needs to be complete. But for most airports, it's really going to be functional improvements that they're going to be needing to make with the money they have. And you, you know, reprioritizing, perhaps fundings of projects already out to actually move that money to do functional improvements for current environment.Joe Bates:Okay. So it sounds like, you know, things there for the moment in our airport space, the projects are continuing, but the question is a bit more longterm than this....Rosemarie Andolino:Major projects, yeah. Major change projects, I think are just pulling, are going slower. It hasn't completely, unless it's like a hotel development or certain things of that nature, and depending on where the stages and they are on their development. But if they're in the preconstruction, I think they're starting to go a little slower before they put the shovel in the ground in order to manage the future. Right. Because this is a three to five year recovery. It takes usually three to five years to build some major projects.Joe Bates:Sure. Anirban what are your thoughts about the airline industry and in particular, as you look at the sort of the macro economic movements here?Anirban Basu:Oh, I think there'll be a rapid bounce back. You know, you said it earlier, we're going to get a vaccine at some point, right? Come on Pfizer, come on, Maderna, come on, Berry, jeez. You know, Regeneron, Gilliad, somebody, you know, start up your computer, get some test tubes out and do this because that's, what's going to solve this problem. That's the only thing that can do it. It's not going to be a cause of our good behavior and our mask wearing. We don't seem capable of that. And so you can see the pent up demand out there. You can see that people want to travel right when Disney opens up. But I think the best example of this was when the Las Vegas casinos opened up and the long lines to try to get into those places. People want to live like that. They want to go to professional sports games.Anirban Basu:They want to do all of those things and allow that requires travel. And so once we get a vaccine and you know, obviously people are talking about how long they'll take to get people actually vaccinated. It's not just discovering the vaccine, but actually operationalizing it. But once that happens, I think you'll see tremendous traffic increases at some point in 2021 itself. I really believe that business travel is going to come back. I love these Zoom meetings. I really like this. This is fun, but there's nothing like that coffee break after a long speech, getting ready for the next speech and shaking the hands with sponsors and others. And so I think that comes back pretty, pretty, pretty quickly. I think, I think it comes back more quickly than most economists wouldRosemarie Andolino:On antibiotic. I think right now, if I could add, you touched on the fact of the what's happening, right? This is the leisure market, right? These airlines are offering right now, very discounted prices, just kind of fairs for travel. A lot of packages out there. You've got your choice, right? Because, but the reality is you can't social distance on a plane, right? You can wear your mask. But there are some challenges associated with that and where the risk is not being taken as in the business community, right. Business companies don't want to take that risk. And again, that's a key driver for the changes in the airline economy is that business traveler.David Zipper:I think we all agree. We need a vaccine. I might just connect actually the airport question with issues of a broader ones about transportation projects. I may a glimmer of hope for the airlines. Other not for transit is that for the foreseeable future, people are not comfortable taking transit. Ridership is down around 50% and ride hail trips are way down too. So what that suggests to a lot of people, myself included, is that one source of revenue for airports, meaning parking facilities, make it a bit of a boost, which is something that has not been the way it's going for a while. You disagree with that?Rosemarie Andolino:Yeah. Parking facilities have been consolidated again. There's really, there's no demand for parking right now. There's excess, you know, there's plenty of supply in terms of parking close proximity to your terminal if you're departing at the moment. So parking at airports is challenging. I mean, look at the rental car industry as well. You've seen Hertz in bankruptcy. You're going to see consolidation there. Yeah.David Zipper:Yeah there's no question of that, I guess for the next year though, I think I would expect, I find to make a bet. I would put more money on people on parking revenue for airports to come back faster than transit ridership.Jeff Davis:And over the next month or the next year or so, the data we have indicates that the best infrastructure performing there's going to be are hot lanes because what's going to be slow is to come back to, we get a vaccine is carpooling particularly with this DC, the DC area, and a couple other places had a thing called slug line where complete strangers would line up in certain places in the suburbs could be picked up by other complete strangers and share their air and their car for 15 minutes. So to go downtown, to be able to use the, the, the express lanes, that's going to be the last thing that comes back in all transportation and so hot lanes where you can pay extra money to use the carpool lane.Jeff Davis:If you think to getting there is important, or if, if, if the lanes are being congestion managed at all times, like the new I-66 is here what we've seen Transurban reported the lanes they run in China, and there are a bunch of them now actually have more ridership as a month ago than they did before Coronavirus. So at least in the time being, not, not longterm and until we get a vaccine, single occupancy ridership, and the toll lanes that that make revenue directly from people who are willing to pay our may even do better in the interim than were doing before.Joe Bates:So now Jeff, that's assuming that we have traffic like we had previously, right? If, if people aren't going into the office, then maybe we're not going to have the same level of congestion. I don't know. What, what do you think about that?Jeff Davis:That's true. Okay. We're going to, I anticipate sort of slow quasi reopenings and I forget, how, how, why did this spread out? Some of the places that went to a, to a terminal congestion can kind of congestion pricing anyway, like Interstate 66, Northern Virginia is now told all morning that those, the congestion based set by computer where that you know, the toll varies minute by minute to try to keep traffic at 45 miles an hour, wherever I think it is. So things like that once I unfortunately if we're, if we're like, if a vaccine takes two years there, there, there has to be significantly more reopening than we have in urban cores to get through the two years. You can't have two years of shut down. So to the extent that there's going to be some kind of reopening vaccine or not single occupancy cars or cars occupied by immediate family members only are going to be where it's at in that short term. And then it's a question of once we do get a vaccine of digging out of those habits and trying to get back to the changes in, in using different modes that we were trying to get to before the coronavirus.Joe Bates:Okay. So I want to go back and talk just a little bit more about the public sector. And before we turn to the private sector, in terms of projects and Anirban, I want to direct this one to you, how are the States and localities going to make up for the revenue shortfalls they're seeing, you know, the, the tax revenues are way down, people aren't spending as much. How are they, how are they gonna survive and continue to fund their portion of these public projects?Anirban Basu:I mean, there's only one way isn't that, right? They have to have a system called the federal government. I mean, that's, it mean it had been pointed out by Jeff. I believe state local governments have to balance a budget every year, but the federal government doesn't and the federal government right now is looking at a 10 year Treasury yield of 0.615%. There's actually a really good time for the federal government to borrow. I know the national debt is 26 and a half trillion dollars. I get that at some point, we have to start paying some of that back. I understand that, but we're in the midst of a pandemic crisis and state local governments have already laid off 1.5 million workers in recent months. If that continues, then that will really stifle the economic recovery we all want for this country. And so that's, that's it.Anirban Basu:I mean, how else are you going to make a billions of billions of dollars of lost revenue? If you try to increase taxes, if you're in New York or Connecticut or New Jersey, guess what happens? People move to Florida, you know, so there's a limit to what you can do in terms of revenue enhancement. Now you can, you know, told more roads and so on and so forth. There's some of that, there's no, there's less elasticity there. So customers have to use those roads to get to wherever they're going. And so maybe that makes sense, but otherwise it's really the federal government. And that I think you're going to see this month is some kind of stimulus package with monies for state and local governments. That's going to help a lot on the capital side and on the operating side.Joe Bates:Okay. David, anything else to add on that subject?David Zipper:Yeah, I mean, in the absence of federal funding, I, the only other options I see are, would be new tax revenue at the local level. And Audubon's right, that there's a cap to what you can do there. And as we saw in San Francisco earlier this week, even there, in a particularly affluent city, they didn't want to do a very small sales tax raise to fund Caltrain. So what you end up with are, I'm just not just talking about transit. You know, recently he was looking to push out the purchase of a bunch of electric buses for a couple of years, and there was a $15 billion program up in Boston to convert commuter rail, to be a regional rail with 15 minute headways and being all electric. That's now a little bit on ice so that they won't say that explicitly.David Zipper:I mean, this stuff is just going to get postponed unless there's an infusion of federal dollars. Cause I tend to agree with Anirban that there, there might be bits and pieces of additional revenue. You could get it at the state and local level through tax raises, but it's not, it's not anything close to enough.Joe Bates:Okay. I want to take a second to remind the audience that we do have the Q and A chat for, for questions and also the chat box. At the moment we don't have any questions or, Oh, Kevin. Okay, go ahead, Kevin.Kevin McMahon:We just got one. The question is the panel is painted a very good picture of demands in aviation and transit, particularly being in down short term major infrastructure clients, or feeling the uncertainty of commitment from the federal government on funding. What would you advise most of our listeners who are running engineering firms in terms of, of their employee base, should they be looking to you know, really be frugal in terms of hiring plans over the next year? Or do you see any type of demands that would encourage folks to go out and hire additional people.Joe Bates:Who wants to take that one?Anirban Basu:No, I was going to say, you know, like I've been saying it to, you know, whether you're an engineering firm, CEO or whatever company that happens to be, what are we in right now? We're in cash preservation mode, that's it? You know, we're trying to hold on to liquidity. I mean, that's it, we're trying to make payroll now. You know, the other part of this is there will be an economic recovery. There was after 2008, 2009, there will be this time around. And so who do you want to be with you as that recovery begins? You want the best and the brightest engineers and your stars, your stars, your star engineers, whoever you really need to be part of the team. And so the, you know, you go down, you know, person, you know, person by person on your team and ask the question, do I need this person? And it's an unfortunate situation. We don't want to throw people out of work. That's not what this is about, but at the end of the day, if your enterprise doesn't survive, you're no good to anybody including yourself. And so I think that's the mode we're in right now. There's just too much uncertainty to be in any other mode,Jeff Davis:The goal of the federal aid right now is, and should be trying to hold things level to try to keep the amount of total amount of federal state, and local money going for infrastructure type projects to be the same as it was going to be had coronavirus not happen. And then you've got a separate question of the great, the great infrastructure backlog, but I think that's going to have to go on the, on the back burner shortly in terms of just trying to maintain temporary directed aid, whether it's to revenue replacement to state governments or whatever, trying to tread water until coronavirus is over it. And then next year try to do some kind of broader infrastructure boost above the current spending levels that we're, that state local governments are now struggling to maintain. So it was a bad, it turned that it was a bad time to bring up infrastructure bills this year because of the focus is much more on preserving the funding that we've already got going at the state local level versus trying to build significant new dollar amounts of new capacity above that, which I think is going to have to wait till next year.Joe Bates:Rosemary were you wanting to add something to that?Rosemarie Andolino:I was going to add onto what Anirban said was the fact that, you know, do you have the right people is really the question, because I think again, as airports look to look to the future, airlines are looking to what is going to be necessary to make their customers feel safe and to continue to facilitate travel. What are the things that that, that are going to be needed at airports? And I think we need to look to engineers and others to help us understand what types of technologies, right, whether it's cleaning and sanitation, if it's technology for contactless opportunities to service customers better, and it contactless sweat, what are the types of things that need to be brought into place again, to create functional enhancements of the facility today for better service that customers can rely on and feel, you know, again, give them the comfort and safety for their travel journey.Rosemarie Andolino:So I think, and for the future. So I think that is a key important component. I think also part of what's been discussed in Congress as well. And Jeff, you could probably add more to this, but the Congress is looking at, if we are going to make investments, we want those investments then to put our infrastructure in a better place, right. To make it better than it was. Many airports are older facilities and are retrofitted. How do you take those facilities that you have today and whatever investments you make make it so that they're better for the future sustainable green, you know, less energy in terms of technology. Those, I think are some of the things that can be worked on now. And again, you know, do you have to UV light, you know, baggage as it's going through baggage systems, you know, what is going to be the future? And I think getting the bright, you know, engineering groups that are out there, the people, the right talent to help think these things through and come up with solutions and ideas are going to be extremely important again, how do you minimize costs and investment, but come up with great solution,Joe Bates:Kevin, it looks like we've got some more questions in there.Kevin McMahon:Thank you, Joe. There's, there's a couple of questions. One I'll ask the panel right now is, conventionally, infrastructure has been seen as a, as a great type of stimulus funding mechanism to get people back to work. It seems like nowadays more of the stimulus is funding. Those aren't just giving laid off employees cash versus creating jobs. Ins't this the perfect environment to create an infrastructure bill that would think big and get people back to work. Why is that not as robust in the discussion as some of our panelists, some of our listeners think it should be?Joe Bates:Jeff, do you want to start us off on that one?Jeff Davis:Yeah. well, first of all, your aid needs to be targeted and what your problem is. And immediately, you know, as of June 30th, the number of people employed in heavy and civil engineering construction seasonally adjusted was down 8% from February.Speaker 4:...Seasonally adjusted is pivotally important in outdoor activities like construction, but that 8% is 85,000 jobs. I'm not sure that that should be the prime focus of federal recovery when you've got 5 million people out of work just in the hospitality and restaurant sectors alone, but not to mention, you know, the million or so state, federal, state, local government employees you know, 400,000 people in transportation. You know, the infrastructure everyday of automation of complication means that infrastructure spending as a way of just providing jobs as stimulus is a little less effective than it was back in the good old days. So even though, you know, we definitely, as a country need to be spending more money on infrastructure, focusing on infrastructure as a job creator is probably not the right answer when all of the jobs, the majority of job losses are not from people who were probably going to want to retrain to go work in construction.Rosemarie Andolino:You know what though, Jeff, I think on top of that though, is the benefit of with low traffic, right? With low utilization of our infrastructure today because people are staying at home still to get minimized impacts, right? Greenhouse gas impacts, minimize congestion impacts all of the things that also come when you actually do more with a, you know, kind of a respite here where there aren't as many constraints on your current infrastructure, can you, it's easier to close down lanes and to, you know, to build more. The challenges we have, let's say the Myrtle Beach corridor. I know the Congressmen there had been struggling many, many years because it's a definite destination for the drive market. And, but the roads there are built for the local traffic not to handle the ingress and egress of the swells of people that come and drive into the marketplace.Rosemarie Andolino:So it causes major conduct congestion for those living there and for the, you know, the community at large, to make those investments today, while traffic is low, it will be a win win for again, when that traffic, when that curve starts, you know, that that color starts rocketing up again, to be able to accommodate them efficiently and to grow the market. Because with the delays that the experiencing last year, you know, they're going to start to lose, they would have lost start losing traffic. So if we could fix a tent to the problem today, so that it will, we're prepared for that future growth again would be ideal. And if it creates jobs and feeds families that's right.David Zipper:Yeah. Yeah. There's a variety of transit agencies are doing exact same thing of trying to do the capital investments on an expedited timeline now to take advantage of the fact that few people are riding, same thing goes, a few people are using a bridge, easier time to do repairs. It's less disruptive and that will provide some efficiency gains. The problem though, is that you know, capital budgets are different from operating budgets, certainly for transit agencies and for everybody else. And and it's the farebox revenue that's gone down 50% plus in many places it's coming back very slowly and there simply isn't enough money to keep the operating operator, to have the lights on effectively. That's where I worry. Although I think all the points Jeff made about recognizing that transportation is part of a much larger economy, which is where other parts have been hit even harder is a worthwhile thing to keep in mind so that we can maintain perspective.Joe Bates:Kevin, do you want to ask any other questions before we move on to the private sector?Kevin McMahon:Yeah. I'll just ask one question, Joe. And it relates to really, there's a few questions I'll try to collapse into one. Is there any chance that Congress will do anything before the election and you know, like suspend NEPA from, for the next six months or anything like that, or are we sort of in a really holding the Fenn vote until this whole election plays out?Jeff Davis:I don't think legally they can suspend NEPA the, with anything they did calling them the emergency would be, would be instantly drawn out in court. But the Trump Administration just yesterday released the final regulation on reforming all of the NEPA on amending all the NEPA regulations comprehensively. The first time since they were issued in 1978 and putting hard two year time limits on a lot of these process. So, like I said, the regulation was released yesterday. It should be officially printed in the Federal Register in the next couple of days and take effect 60 days after that, I'm sure the environmentalist are gonna Sue, but that was the combination of, of the entire Trump Administration NEPA regulatory agenda for last four years as it came about yesterday. So I'm not sure how much they're going to be able to do in in addition to that, between now and the end of the year.Joe Bates:All right, let's go ahead and move on to the topic of the private funding private projects, you know, this is sort of a whole other animal here what's going to happen with you know, apartment building, home, building a high rise construction. Are we going to see a credit crunch? And, you know, I saw a piece of information this morning. It said home builder sentiment is back to pre coronavirus levels, which really surprised me. So, David, what do you think is going to happen here in the private sector?David Zipper:I, well, people still need places to live. I'm not sure how much they're going to need places to, to work in the same way as we did before. So you know, I think I would look for resurgence coming from the residential side faster than I would expect to see it on the, the office development side, particularly in the dense cities like we're where I'm based in Washington, DC, where I've already heard murmurings about possible conversions from corporate into into residential. I think that's going to take some time to play out, but I would have every expectation that residential would come back before commercial. And then there is the next question of where is it going to be in a central city? Is it going to be in the suburban, is it going to be, is this the big moment for some of the like second tier cities like Denver and Boise and salt Lake city to suddenly suck some of the talent away from the big, expensive coastal megalopolises? I tend to be a little skeptical of that for a variety of reasons. But I will note just to say that there is something happening that the rents in San Francisco year over year are down over 12%, which is higher than any other market.David Zipper :So that does suggest at least that by the way, San Francisco has the highest rent in the whole country. So it does suggest there is some movement now, at least temporarily of people who can move and go live with family, or just relocate for a while that they are I think, and this is, I think it's a bit of a shaky time for, for a market like the Bay area. But you know, I always, my attitude is always, it's, it's easy to overestimate the duration and extent of a change when you're in the middle of it. So I wouldn't quite if I had the chance, I wouldn't sell off all my my buildings in Manhattan just yet, let's put it that way.New Speaker:And Anirban, what are we looking at in terms of a credit crunch? Are we, do we have anything to worry about there is the Fed providing sufficient liquidity in the markets and are the private projects going to have problems getting funded?Anirban Basu:Oh, I think the credit crunch has already begun. Third reserve can create as much money supplies at once. It can't force banks to lend, and there's nothing bankers like less than defaults and delinquencies, they hate it and ends careers and it destroys the quarterly financials. So yeah, it's already begun. And, you know, with respect to, you know, some of the comments David was making very good comments. I think this is the decade of the suburbs. The previous decade was the decade of the cities. Millennials turn into their twenties and large numbers, often renting very expensive apartments, driving density, but, and, and this was going to be the decade of the suburbs, even without COVID-19, but COVID-19 makes it even more so, so owner occupied part of the residential market is flying high - homes are flying off the shelves. Condos are selling freely in all markets, even in Connecticut.Anirban Basu:But I'd say that multifamily market will be much more challenging going forward. You're going to see a real surge in vacancy rates in multifamily America going forward. And of course, that's going to further perpetuate that credit crunch and then commercial real estate forget about it. It's already in crisis and will be in crisis for many years to come. Because again, of all those empty office suites, abandoned storefronts, shuttered restaurants on and so forth. So the suburbs will fare better than the cities, but commercial real estate generally will be in quite bad shape.Joe Bates:Rosemarie. Do you have any thoughts on this topic?Rosemarie Andolino:Well, again, living in an urban environment in Chicago, I would agree that you're starting to see, you know somebody joked about people moving to Florida, right? There's the, there's been a huge influx of people relocating. And I think you're seeing that from a lot of major cities. I mean, people whether it was the, you know, the COVID that hit New York and Chicago and other locations and people then relocating to what they thought were communities that were less exposed or had things under control, which has now basically inverted, right? So now those communities are challenged, but you've got distance, you've got, you know, more against, you're not as crunched in together, right? As in an urban environment, you have some more freedom. So to actually, you know, be outside and have space away from people. So I think there there's definitely that exodus happening and you know, with the change of offices and you know, some of the leading technology companies, right, that are out there are saying, don't come back. You know, we don't need you to come back to the office for a, you know, let's revisit it in a year or two years. So if that's where most of the key employment was, and if they can all work from home, you know, will they be buying them a nicer, more expensive home and spending their money there. If they're not moving around the country as much, either in travel.David Zipper:If I could, it was an interesting thing that just happened. I think it was today, if not today, yesterday, Airbnb, which I think is a really interesting company in the midst of all this, just announced that they're going to go, they're back to doing an IPO. And what's interesting is they got hammered hard. They had to raise a down round of capital because when the coronavirus hit people did the whole, like one night or two night business just disappeared. But now they've created this whole new market and the CEO, Brian, Brian Chesky talks about this of month to two month rentals, where people are going into a cabin here, there would have you. And it's true that some of the largest employers in the country, some of the tech companies in particular said, we're not going to require people to be back throughout 2020. It opens the door. And then Airbnb has really fast recovery with this creation of a new longterm rental market, which by the way, is driven not by urban locations. Does lead to me to the question. I think anyone who goes beyond asking the question is saying, they know more than they really do of whether some of these, some people are going to decide, you know, what, for the foreseeable future, I really don't need to live in a central city with my family anymore. How that plays out. I don't know, but it's interesting to watchRosemarie Andolino:Well, and if I can add to that, I think what the additional factors is going to be in the next few weeks, it's really going to show its head is if people, if school districts are not going to require kids to actually go to school, then parents can relocate anywhere and spend the next three months, six months, as you said, in different cities or different communities. You know, cause they can learn from anywhere they can work from anywhere and the children can learn from anywhere. So that's, I think is going to be a key factor coming up that hasn't actually shown itself yet.Speaker 5:Kevin, do we have any questions on the private sector side of things?Kevin McMahon:Yeah, there's there's one, one one quick comment that one of our Connecticut participants, Anirban, really liked your comment about wow, when people are moving to Connecticut, it's shocking. So you got some air airtime on that, but Joe, the question is about some private, some public ports in inland waterways. Is that really just dependent on the economy and freight movement? Or what does the panel think about that space?Joe Bates:Who'd like to take that one.Rosemarie Andolino:I think the cruise ship cruise industry in terms of passenger cruises is challenged right now. So I think in terms of ports, for the purpose of the hospitality industry, the travel industry, that's a longer term recovery than even aviation. You know, so you're looking more from, you know, four to seven years. It's just, how are they going to deal with those issues?Jeff Davis:The the, the big trillion dollar infrastructure bill, the House passed last on July 2nd, didn't really deal with ports and inland waterways and harbors that much because the bill that passed the house was a Democratic only messaging exercise. And they were very close to a bipartisan two year reauthorization bill for those programs that passed committee in the House yesterday, it's past committee in the Senate the month ago. And it's one of the few things that actually make an inaccurate law on its own before the end of the year. And in addition to authorizing a few new, large projects. They're also trying desperately. They found that they finally found a budget gimmick in the House. That'll work to unlock that nine and a half billion dollars. That's been collected over 30 years in the Harbor Maintenance Trust Fund and not spent. So that may get an act of the law this year, finally separate from any other infrastructure package which would really open the flood Gates on a lot of much needed harbor dredging capacity improvements, et cetera.Joe Bates:We only have a few minutes left here. So I'd like to ask each of you to peer into your crystal ball. This is my final question, which I like asking on these, these round tables. And the question is, I'm going to start with you on a bond. One is a two part question one, and you've, you've gotten into this a little already, but how long will this recovery take for us to reach levels that were pre COVID and not only how long will it take, but what's, what are the, what's the critical thing that has to happen for the recovery to proceed?Anirban Basu:Oh, it'll take years to fully recover from this. I mean, I think the initial period of recovery has been sharp will be sharp going forward, even with some of these reopenings being postponed and some of them even being re reversed, but but it's going to take years. I mean, if I asked you the question, you know, back to you, how long did it take us to get to a 50 year low in unemployment? It took us 50 years. I mean, the economy was really shockingly good coming into this pre-crisis period. And we entered, as I say, 2020 with so much momentum. It's going to take a long time to put that back together again. And we in America, what's it going to take to really get back bipartisanship, right? The radical center re-emerging so we can work together so that something like a tip O'Neill and Ron Reagan on a Friday afternoon, going to a Georgetown pub to talk policy that could happen again in this country. And that's, what's going to take, cause we have unskilled immigration policy. We have unsettled infrastructure policy. We have global trade fragmenting and uncertain trade policy. And by the way, that relates to the port's outlook, as well as it turns out you put all that together. That's what we're going to need bipartisanship.Joe Bates:Okay. Rosemarie, what about you? How long will this recovery take? And what's the critical piece to proceeding?Rosemarie Andolino:I believe right now, I think it seemed when this whole hit, I should say we were at like the 19 North, the 1954 levels of, you know, in terms of aviation and travel. You know, after 9/11 we saw a 30% decline in travel, but it was one region right? Here, this is global. And in April we saw an 80% decline. And what really was moving was those that had to move, you know, whether it was medical professionals, meaning to move locations. You're seeing that come back with some leisure travel, but I think again, the business community is going to be key because that is the higher spend that the airlines and others need. And that is really the bigger indicator. I think you're looking at, I mean, 2022 really before you'll see kind of the comeback here, because I think we're at least a year out from a vaccine, because again, we talked about that that's going to be key for people to feel comfortable and safe. The one thing we have in the United States is short haul traffic and domestic traffic, right?Rosemarie Andolino:So you can travel essentially within the 50 States with less restrictions. So I think people, whether they travel by car, but by air they'll feel comfortable getting on the flight for an hour with their masks and, you know, better cleanliness the activities that have occurred on aircraft now. So you're going to continue to see that consolidation, I think will happen fairs for probably then, you know, start going up in that regard. But international traffic, we're still looking at probably 2024 before that really comes back. So, you know, it's gonna, it's gonna be a while. Ideally, you know, the industry itself there are things that need to be done right, to make travel better for everyone, whether it be the passenger, the airlines, or the airports, whether it's funding. We talked about NEPA and, you know, constructability of programs, et cetera, and implementation.Rosemarie Andolino:So I would hope that during this time Congress can take them and the leadership can come together from the different organizations to actually solve those solutions so that when traffic does come back, when we are earnestly building, you know, new programs, bigger projects, you know, building the terminals of the future for our airports that have not had those investments in many, many years, that we're able to do those with great technology with simplified processes and proper funding so that they can continue to be the economic engines that they have been for communities across the country.Joe Bates:Great. David, you next and we'll close it out with Jeff.David Zipper:Sure. I find this question. It would be a lot easier for me to answer if we were talking about Canada or about Holland, because there, you're talking about basically like the, the V I think, which is like, you basically have the virus come, you, you provide some, put some cash in people's pockets to make the economy be, be put it in a coma basically. And then you come back out and if we're talking about those countries, you can see that already at this point was made earlier that auto traffic is back up and it's already higher than the peak rush hour to auto traffic is higher than it was before t he virus in places like Longxeuver in China and, and Shengen. But we, we frankly blew our chance to do that in this country.David Zipper:And you know, and I actually worry about how bad I think things could actually get much worse in the next few months, as people start losing their homes, being foreclosed on as unemployment benefits run out. I don't think we realized that we are on the precipice of things, getting a lot worse with a lot of people in the middle class or lower middle class being unable to just survive and who knows what that's going to do. It, that that actually leads to political questions that go far beyond you know, the demand for certain types of engineering services. But I will say that it's going to take a long time before we're going to be, we need a vaccine. And even with the vaccine, I think it's going to take a long time in the United States to see a rebound in, in, in critical parts of the economy, especially for engineers, such as office construction. We're a long way away from that. I think we're a long way away from it with regards to to urban transportation. And to be honest, like, like the most important things to do now in my view is to be honest, to call your elected representatives and tell them we absolutely need more stimulus money in people's pockets. Now that's my personal view.Joe Bates:Great. Thanks, David. And Jeff, what about you? And then after your comments, Jeff, we're going to go to Daphne to close us out here.Jeff Davis:In terms of additional federal dollars for new infrastructure you know, new projects, new structures, new routes. I don't expect any action on that this year because Democrats, particularly in the House and Republicans are a light they're light years apart on the relative priorities, they believe should be given to highways versus transit and mass transit and Amtrak, the whole rural, urban divide. And every day, that gets closer to the election with the polls, where they are Democrats saying, why would I bother negotiating issues that fundamental with Republican Senate and Republican president when there's a 50, 50-ish or plus chance that starting in January, they could hope that Democrats get the trifecta and write a bill. They really want, instead of locking a compromise priorities in for five or six years next year is what it's all gonna be about. You know, the extensive infrastructure to be one of many priorities. In addition to coronavirus, it's all going to get wrapped up in the fact that starting August 1st of next year, the debt sexual debt limit will reset. And they'll start taking emergency measures.Jeff Davis:We've already added four point 6 trillion, I think since the last reset August 1st, just a year ago. So this will be by far the largest debt limit increase in the history of the country. And so September, October, next year, treasury, won't be able to move money around and traditionally many of your major turning points in federal fiscal policy in the last 30 years, Graham Rudman the 1999, three budget deals, budget control act HARP, Fannie Freddie bailout, last year budget deals. They all revolve around debt debt, ceiling crisis of trying to find ways to get the votes, to raise the debt limit and all the fiscal policy for that year wound up getting wrapped up in it. So I expect that to be the centerpiece of next year, around September, October, 2021, that will set the stage for fiscal policy for the next five to 10 years.Joe Bates:Got it. Yeah. Well, let's, let's all keep our fingers crossed that we have a vaccine by then. So at least we can take that out of the equation. Thank you all to the panelists for joining us and Daphne, why don't you go ahead and close this out.Daphne Bryant:Great. Thank you. Thank you all for joining us today. Thank you to our panelists and our donors for making this session possible. We have a short evaluation that we'll send you this afternoon. So please share your experience with us. Thank you all. Have a great afternoon and please stay safe. Thank you.

This is the second of three roundtables on the future of engineering presented by the ACEC Research Institute. www.acecresearchinstitute.org The world today is full of extraordinary volatility, yet the engineering industry has risen to the challenge. Uniquely positioned at the forefront of designing buildings for work and home – engineers are solving for the new normal and exploring what is needed for commercial, high-rise, healthcare, and mixed-use buildings of the future. How do we design them? How do we rehab or retrofit them? What is really needed for the future when designing work and living spaces in this new paradigm. Join this exciting panel discussion that explores the future of the buildings we live and work in.Panelists:• Dino DeFeo, Managing Partner, AKF• Peter DiMaggio, Co-CEO, Thornton Tomasetti• Arathi Gowda, Associate Director, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill• Kate Wittels, Partner, HR&A Advisors• Moderator: Joseph Bates, ACEC Research Institute Transcript:Daphne Bryant:Welcome to our second roundtable in this series, The Future of Engineering. A big thank you to our donors who have made this session possible. We have a great group of thought leaders here today that are going to share their insights and expertise with us on the future of buildings, where we live and work now without further ado. It's my pleasure to introduce two of my colleagues at the ACEC Research Institute, Joe Bates, who will serve as our moderator for today's session and Kevin McMahon, who will be monitoring the chat box and fielding your questions during the session, Joe, it's all yours.Joe Bates:Thank you very much, Daphne, and thank you all for joining us today. First, I'd like to introduce you all to each of our panelists. We have Dino DeFeo, who is managing partner at AKF. Dino is a respected and admired leader whose market knowledge and passionate commitment to clients have formed the foundation of a 25 year career. He understands the importance of working as an integral part of a design collective with the express goal of realizing the direct client's vision. We also have with us, Peter DiMaggio, co-CEO of Thornton Tomasetti. Peter is responsible for defining, articulating and driving the firm's strategic vision. In addition to leading the development and execution of the overall business plan, he directs key strategic initiatives, such as identifying new markets and merger and acquisition opportunities, as well as instituting mentorship and professional development programs. I'd also like to welcome Arathi Gowda, who is Associate Director of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Arathi is a team leader for the company's Chicago's performance design group charged with researching new technologies and recommending integrated environmental design solutions that are substantiated with computer simulation for SOM project teams worldwide.Joe Bates:And finally, I'd like to welcome Kate Wittels, who is a Partner at HR&A Advisors. Kate specializes on the future of work and how to best shape places, train people and deliver infrastructure to make today's cities ready for tomorrow's opportunities. She creates strategic plans, public private partnerships, policies, and programs to guide governments, developers, and businesses on growing tech and innovation ecosystems in cities around the world. Thank you all very much for joining us today. I'm going to jump right into our questions. It's obviously no surprise that we're living through this pandemic and it's completely changed the way that we live and work. I think we have all within a blink of an eye, had to create new ways of working and communicating and, and some of the participants and viewers who were with us during the pregame show might have heard us talking about some of those challenges we live with. So my first question, I'd like Pete, to start out with Pete, are we going to see a fundamental shift in where we work in the future?Peter DiMaggio:I do. I think we're going to see a fundamental shift. What I think is less clear is what that shift actually looks like. Let me give you my example on this right before Kobe, we have about 1500 people and the large majority of them were working in the office. COVID hits. We send as many people as we can almost close to 1500 to work remotely. And early on, it really looked like as we were learning from this, that we were going to have this situation where more and more people want to work remotely. That was an early indicator. What we're seeing now actually is a lot of people want to be back in the office, whether it's for that social interaction, their ability to be more effective. And I think in the last two or three weeks, and this is how uncertain this future is, what we're getting from our employees is they want flexibility, which is a really interesting challenge.Peter DiMaggio:They don't want to be full time at home and they don't want to be full time in the office. And if I had to make a guess, I would think that that is going to be something that stays with us where people want that ability to do some time at home and some time in the office. And it's a really big challenge, right? It's a challenge to get people really effective in the office. It's also a challenge to get them really effective at home, but just think of what this means from an IT point of view, right? How many different computer systems do you have? Do you have monitors? Do you need the right working environment, both at home and in the office? The second challenge that comes from that is again, early on, it's really interesting to see how things progress over the last month.Peter DiMaggio:Early on, I think the immediate reaction was we're probably going to need less for real estate for our entire office structure because clearly people want to be at home. Now, all of a sudden we're saying, but if they want to be partially at home and partially in the office, you still need less real estate or do you just need different real estate? So the simple answer to your question is, yes, I think you'll see a fundamental shift, a much more complex question to ask is what do we think this is going to look like? And if you really want to challenge the group, I think it's going to look very different in suburban areas than it may look in urban areas due to the challenge of public transportation. So are people able to do both of these and still use public transportation to get to their office?Joe Bates:Kate Pete mentioned public transit. What do you think is going to happen with public transit and you're in New York city. So how's that going to affect people that are working and living in New York city?Kate Wittels:Yeah. I mean, it's a big, it's a big unknown about transit, but I think as Pete was starting talking about the mood changes so quickly, if you ask people a month ago, six weeks ago, you get on the subway? No. But if you asked me last week or yesterday and you're starting to hear stories and be like, I want, I'm taking the subway. It's clean, it's the cleanest it's ever been. And so I think to what Pete was saying is that there's going to be this half in half out experience and we're going to figure out how we best travel to the places. And it's really about, what's the role of the physical office in how we work and that's really what we need to figure out. And that will change how offices are laid out, but it used to be that we had to produce everything in the office.Kate Wittels:And now we're realizing that somethings that we can produce it's more effective to produce it, the knowledge economy stuff in our home, and maybe having recurring meetings in our homes, but the culture, brand, desire for you know, interaction. And I think as an amenity to employees for retention and attraction, the office will play a role in that sense. And so I think it's, it's really thinking through what the role of the office is going to play for businesses. And then what does that mean for neighborhoods? And then what does that mean for the need for transit? Cause maybe the demand will be actually less or only half of us are going in half at a time.Joe Bates:It feels almost like we've let the genie out of the bottle here with having people working from home that in the past, there was a lot of pushback from many companies that were saying, Hey, we don't want you working from home. And now everyone was forced to do it. And somehow they're making it work. So I don't know, Arathi, do you, what do you think about that? You know, have we just let the genie out of the bottle, not going to be able to put it back in?Arathi Gowda:I think so in a lot of ways, and I don't think it's necessarily about trust even though maybe sometimes that was an issue. I think it was about collaboration and so engineering, architecture, planning, we're very collaborative disciplines. And so there was always this idea that you had to have the groupthink in the office. And I think obviously now as Kate was mentioning some of the things that are a little less efficient remotely, but people are seeing that actually we can be very collaborative in our home environment. And I think this is actually very positive because we've been talking about that for a long time. There's an emissions reduction, there's a positive, personal benefit. There's a lot of good things that are happening or silver linings as a result of this. But we almost needed to have the push. And I think that does speak a little bit to what Peter was saying about, there's a little bit of a multiplicity of futures, but let's face it. We're a complex society and we'll, we'll keep going the way we were going if it's working and this has forced us to maybe shift faster. And I think in a good way as we're all seeing there's some benefits. I don't think we're going to go Back to the way we were.Joe Bates:Dino, any thoughts on this?Dino DeFeo:I think everybody has some good points. You know, you start thinking about what is the role of the office and in our environments. And you know, it has a huge impact on the culture of your firm, your interactions in the office, how you work with one another, your collaboration, but nowadays with the tools you have online and the collaboration that you can do online, it will change the way we work. And you will start seeing some more decentralized offices in headquarters might not be the size they used to be anymore, but you still might need the office space for more of a a collaboration area or a conference center, you'll see more hoteling, all the things that we've been talking about for years, this has really accelerated that.Dino DeFeo:And I think it's going to continue to accelerate and things are going to be like this until there is a vaccine. I mean, a lot of people won't be comfortable coming back to the office until that's the case. So until then, you know, we're still going to be experimenting with the conditions that we're in and seeing how things work and what doesn't work.Joe Bates:So Dino, I have one thought on that sort of a follow-up question for you, maybe dive a little bit more deeply into this issue of there's this near term, of course, but and then let's, let's assume we're going to have a vaccine and, and everybody is able to return to some level of normalcy, but what's the long-term implication on how buildings commercial buildings will look in the future. This pandemic will, I think be fresh in everyone's memory for a generation at least to come. And so what kind of design considerations will we need to make in terms of health and safety, you know, cleaning the offices, elevators, things of that nature?Dino DeFeo:Well, I mean, you know, we're an MEP firm, so, you know, I could just stick to some of the things that we've been dealing with in, with our clients on the MEP side, you're starting to look at buildings that are going to be much more robust in engineering infrastructure. We've spent a lot of time looking at the energy efficiency of buildings and we're going to start spending more time looking at the wellbeing of the occupants of the building. And there's going to be a push and pull there. There's still the energy codes we're going to have to comply with, but a lot of things that we'll have to do to make people feel comfortable with coming back post pandemic and let's keep in mind, this is not the only pandemic we've been through.Dino DeFeo:This is the worst by far, but we've had SARS and a number of others. And every couple of years, it seems like there's something else that we're talking about. So the infrastructures of these buildings will have to be much more robust, much more flexible, you know, greater ventilation rates, greater air changes, higher humidity because we're finding that, you know, humidification is great for the wellbeing of the person, regardless of during pandemic or not. So all of these things impact the energy efficiency of a building. So we will try and we will need to figure out how do we balance the wellbeing of the people within the building, and yet still comply with the energy efficiency mandates that are being required of us. So that's kind of where we're going to, we're going to have to be whether it's UV lights that we're adding into systems, greater filtration, decentralized systems, you know, there's going to be a number of challenges on you in the engineering world in order to make people feel more comfortable with how buildings are performing and how they're protecting the people within the building.Joe Bates:Arathi, what about the elevators? We were talking about that before we went live here, are we going to have, you know, elevators that are 10 times the size as they are now? Or are we, how are we going to move thousands of people up and down? You know, these high rise buildings?Arathi Gowda:Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, there might be some things even to Dino's point, there, there are things in the market that are already stacking elevators and others that increased capacity. But I think, you know, we haven't been able to always sell those on projects. So I think what's going to happen is these things that were harder sells before are going to become better or easier sells now. So this nexus of energy and wellness, particularly to elevators, you know, I think it's, it's touchless, it's called button sensoring, it's stacked elevators. I think there's also maybe a reality of a public health response. So by nature, these are more confined spaces. And what would be more like Asia, you know, look to our Asian friends and say, they're very used to masks. It's not an issue for them to wear masks or wear gloves.Arathi Gowda:Because some of those things can't be solved strictly with social distancing, but I do think it's a very important time. And even in the environmental movement, it's always been planet first and not people. And there's been a real problem with messaging with that, that mentality, because of course we know the eight ball is energy efficiency, carbon reduction, but until we connect that to stories that people can relate to, then it's very hard to change hearts and minds. And I think that this piece of wellness it's very relatable, people can understand. So I think there are going to be some very important conversations in the engineering community about how we can do the things we've been even talking about humidity for years and advanced filtration. And we're building on that with code policy and rating systems. These are not always things that our clients opt into. So I think there's a lot of opportunity for us to be asked to do those things more consistently have the cost of it dropped so that it can become more ubiquitous in the market, which is essentially what we want.Kate Wittels:I think what's interesting about this right now is this is an opportunity for building owners to become really creative and force them to really differentiate themselves and try the new systems that they we've been talking about and pushing for them. Because now buildings aren't just competing with other commercial buildings in their own sub market. They're competing with other sub markets. They're competing with residential products, they're competing with retail products. People are working out of restaurants now. And so I think this is a real interesting opportunity for what the building will actually offer in the long run to make companies want to continue to pay rent and to make employees want to come back in. I mean, you can offer up that you're going to have better air in your office, then you are in your home for example, or sound quality or other things. That's, that's where the building would have the opportunity to really keep, keep their asset as it is.Peter DiMaggio:I think that's such an important point. I, you know, as Kate was talking, it struck a nerve. If you think back to September 11th to 9/11 when, when that event occurred the first response was we're never going to build high rise buildings again, right? People aren't going to. And so of course that's not what happened, right? So it took a while. And then people started talking about how do we address this issue? And then people got creative and then people started to figure out how to build security. And, and one of the questions I just saw in the chat - what happens to existing buildings that aren't ready? You know, this was a really good example. People upgraded those buildings, they invested in them, and then they use that to try to draw tenants back in. And the big difference I see now is we're only a few months into this and already you have some of the smartest people on the planet talking about how do we solve this issue and get back to work.Peter DiMaggio:And to me, that's one of the biggest differences. It took us a long time after 9/11 to say, we're going to go back into a high rise building. How do we address this now? We're saying, and, and again, look, the first month of COVID people were staying in the office is that nobody's ever going to go back when, and I though the speed at which the design community has started to attack this problem to me is a really positive thing. And so I think, you know, to the point of how much is it going to cost and what are people going to do if groups like everybody on the phone, right? Even people listening in are already starting to try to solve this. I'm really excited to see where this ends up because we're not stuck on the problem. We're already talking about the solutions.Dino DeFeo:This is going to be a balance. I mean, there's going to be so many different solutions that are kind of come out of this to your point. I mean, there are a number of different ways to tackle this and whether it's you know, office space, that's spread out a little bit more, you're going to have social distancing within the office. You're going to need that office space to, in order to keep people. I mean, we used to talk about densification. We did a tremendous amount of studies about how many people we can put on a floor. You're not going to have that anymore. That's not really going to want to be what people want to do. So office space is going to be a necessity a long time. It's not going away. So it's a matter of, I guess the question came in. What do you do with the older building stock? We're going to have to figure out how to convert those buildings. So people feel comfortable again, just like after 9/11, just like after Sandy, you know, things are going to be different, but things will be, you know, we'll still need those that office space.Joe Bates:I want to come back to that issue and question in just a few minutes, but first Kevin, do we have any questions from the audience on the topic of the buildings that we live in our buildings that we're working in?Kevin McMahon:Yeah, we do. Joe. We have a couple of really good ones. The first one is about what we've been discussing. And the question is how much of the effectiveness working remotely is due to the fact that we know our colleagues. when we got put into the situation there, the audience members asking, what strategies would the panel recommend for bringing new team members into the group, collaborative culture effectively while they're working remotely?Dino DeFeo:I could start with that because we actually hired people pre pandemic and they started post pandemic. So it was a matter of introducing them to the people who they were going to be working with via something similar in zoom or via teams. And it's a daily and sometimes multiple times a day collaboration with them. And it's a challenge to make sure that the culture of the firm you're imparting that on new people. And we're going through something now where we're bringing EIT and interns in. So we're also working with our interns and it's again, multiple touches a day and making sure that they're, they're getting the education that, that, you know, we promise them and that they need as they go back to school. And also for the EITs that we're starting to culture and then starting to introduce the culture of our firm to them from the beginning. So you have to work with them daily, you have to make sure that they have someone who is their partner, that they can reach out to with any questions, but you have to make sure that there's a connection back to the firm consistently.Kate Wittels:I think, you know, we've talked about mentorship and collaboration and kind of those types of things are just going to have to happen even more so. And I think that's great, right? We, not, every firm really prioritizes mentorship and now it's going to happen and it's going to happen across offices. I think you'll actually get to know more people than you would of just the people that were within your team or on your, on your floor now. And so that's an exciting opportunity.Peter DiMaggio:And I think that that point that Kate has made is even more powerful if you are a very diverse spread out organization. So we have 50 offices. And so it's clearly more difficult for us when we onboard somebody now in that local office for all the challenges that come. But one of the things we've been really successful with is building a culture between offices. We've gotten very good at this kind of a call and getting to know people in the old days, what would happen is you'd be in your local office and everything would be on a voice, a conference call. And I don't know how everybody else feels, but I like it this environment so much more than the non facial conference call. And we, I think we build culture and get to know each other. So this Zoom call has been a clearly a challenge, but I think going forward, it's something we're going to use. We're talking about, you know, trying to keep the carbon footprint down, having a lot more meetings in this environment and being able to bring more people into those meetings rather than flying them from 50 places. So I think there's an opportunity to really take advantage of it.Joe Bates:Kevin do we have any other questions on the buildings that we work in before we move on to the buildings where we live?Kevin McMahon:Yeah. This is an interesting question, Joe. It's about the cost of, of the existing buildings in many cities that require retrofitting. And a lot of these retrofits may become too expensive and cost prohibitive. What will happen to these buildings?Joe Bates:Arathi? Do you have any thoughts on that one to start us out with?Arathi Gowda:I think we were talking about it or touching on it a little bit or, but I think obviously there's a lot of fun costs and we know the real estate market is, I mean, this is a, and one of the biggest financial engines and hard to move slow to move and change, but that makes, I think all of us believe that no, we are not going to abandon these, which is a good thing from a carbon sink perspective. And I think the technology is all there. And many people touched on that already in the panel, but there are a multitude of retrofits that are already starting to happen. I think at som we have a getting back to work plan. I'm sure Kate, you know, Peter has similar words, you know, we're looking at different things. How do we space out?Arathi Gowda:How do we have shifts? How do we have advanced filtration? How do we have flush out? How do we have twice daily cleaning? And you know, again, those aren't cost prohibitive measures for people to undertake. It's not talking about a whole a to upgrade or change. It's about how much extra outside air can we bring into this space. So and when we can in a certain space how do we socially distance more you know, and think about those other, other issues. So I think people are being very flexible, which is quite interesting as we get back into this space. And again, thinking, not build new, but how do we, how do we work with what we have, which is, is really important.Dino DeFeo:Yeah, the solutions are not a one size fits all. You're going to have, you know, air handler, retrofitsSpeaker 6:And upgrades that are going to be relatively inexpensive and some that are going to be very expensive to do. But, you know, let's be honest. The building stock is very expensive. Leases are very expensive. And if in order to attract people and charge the leases that you're charging, you're going to have to ensure that the occupants of the building are safe. So it's going to be probably something that is going to be demanded of landlords in order to make their building stock of value. So I think there's going to be ways to afford it. And as technology gets more affordable, it's going to be easier and easier to do.Kate Wittels:I also think there's going to be a lot of adaptive reuse. I mean, we're going to see, we were seeing a mix of uses that before this people wanting to live closer to where they work, people wanting to have more options. And so for some buildings that can be adapted really just because, and they can't be easily upgraded. They're going to turn into residential or they're going to turn into some other function. And that's just how we're going to continue on to live.Joe Bates:So what I'm hearing is we're gonna be doing a lot of retrofitting and not, not whole scale demolition of city blocks and making new buildings. It's just too expensive. I'd like to now turn to the next topic that we're going to discuss, which is the buildings in which we live, obviously we've started working from home, but what kind of w what kind of considerations are we going to have when it, when it comes to where people are living, making those buildings more healthy, especially multi-dwelling buildings RFP, do you have some thoughts on that one?Arathi Gowda:I think this is again, it's a, always listening for the glass is half full, but I think this is again, another opportunity in a market that's been really tough. So, I mean, when we look at the history, the historic trends of energy efficiency residential is the lowest in this country and globally even in multifamily housing. And why has the lowest energy efficiency? Well, it follows the cost. It's the lowest cost per square foot. And I think of course, right now everyone's rethinking. I mean, I personally am rethinking, why did I get that parking space when I do own a car, because I'm a greenie, why didn't I get the balcony instead? But it was resale value, right? And so those of us in cities are thinking about options like that. But I think people, again are thinking more about space gardens, other features that had people historically in the suburbs.Arathi Gowda:But I think it will again, drive up what the cost per square foot is that people are willing to invest. And what they're willing to invest in, which I think is very positive because they've gotten to this is the biggest investment of most Americans' lives. And it's very, very commodified in a way that's not good for health and it's not good for carbon either. So again, looking at this health and energy carbon nexus I think there's a lot that people are rethinking now. And I don't think that it's going to mean you know, an exited to the suburbs. It might be, people are looking at different kinds of cities where they can afford a little bit more space. It might be, again, it's not the parking spot anymore. It's something else. Or maybe it is the car because now I can move around. But I think people are thinking about it in a much more nuanced way than historically just bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger space, which was the, usually the driver.Joe Bates:Yeah. It seems like there's been this sort of initial knee jerk reaction of we're going to get outta here or we're moving out to the country. In, in my neighborhood, I live on a mountain and the Blue Ridge West of DC and four brand new houses have gone up in the last four months. So highly unusual. What, what do the rest of you think about that? You know, is this just sort of an initial reaction that people are going to leave the cities? Or are we, are we going to adapt and how?Peter DiMaggio:I'll jump in on that? I think one of the most interesting things about the cities and this may be, even appear off topic, but I don't think it is, is, is how much of the cultural institutions people come back to whether it's sporting events or Broadway or restaurants or bars or whatever you can think of. In a lot of ways that has been something that has drawn lots of people into the city, right? And so if that comes back and it comes back powerfully, I think you're gonna see a lot of people stay. And then that, to my original point, if people really want to spend some time in the office, they are also going to need to be, and those offices are in an urban environment. They can't really move so far to the country, which is why I think originally when we started talking about everybody's gonna move to the country, that was a knee jerk reaction to, I can work from home.Peter DiMaggio:If I can work from home, I don't need to be near my office. And I think people are rethinking that because they don't want to be so isolated. So I, I think it's a combination of, do you want to spend some time in your office, which I think the answer will be yes, for most people. And can we get these cultural institutions that have really, in my opinion, made our cities what they are, if we can get them up and running safely, I think you're going to see that, that draw to be in a city again, to that nine 11 quote, I think 10 years from now, we're still going to want to be in our urban environments for the same reason we want to be there now. So I think it will come back around what it looks like and how fast we get there. I'm not sure.Dino DeFeo:Yeah. To a, to Joe, your point about the homes being built. I've already heard a couple of stories in my area of bidding Wars for homes, which is, you know, unusual in the suburb of New York lately. I mean, we used to have that years ago, but not for quite some time. So we're starting to see that, but I, you know, I, I do, I do agree with Peter. I think you're going to start seeing people want to come back and just the, how long will that take? I mean, if we go through another pandemic, would you rather quarantine in a 500 square foot apartment without the balcony? Or would you rather quarantine in a 2,500 square foot house with a backyard? And maybe if you have a spouse who works two offices built into the house as well it's going to be a, it's going to be a little bit of a balancing act. And I think if, if you can work from the office part time, like we were talking about earlier, you might choose to move a little further away from the city, knowing that you're not doing that long commute every day. If you're doing it a couple of days a week or three days a week, you might be willing to sit on the train for longer than to, than to be close to work.Kate Wittels:I think this is a call for cities to work with their regional partners. There's been a long time of a us versus them, right? You want to keep the residents or the office workers on your side of the border and retain the taxes. And I think this is really now about a regional approach to to how we're going to be living. So it's not New York city. It's the New York city MSA and living in the Hudson Valley and working, you know, coming into New York city twice a week, instead of five times a week, it's all going to seem like we're all part of the same same community. And we need to work together more.Joe Bates:Kevin what, what questions do we have on this?Kevin McMahon:We have a great question that ties right into this discussion. Does the panel see more use in high rises of residential and commercial cohabitating becoming part of the same building, you know, leveraging the efficiency of elevators and heating and air conditioning systems addressing some of the panels that commentKate Wittels:For, for a long time, I always was saying that office was going to become an amenity of residential and every tall office tower was going to have two floors of coworking in some sense. And you, you would subsidize that off some sort of check from your employer to work out of that for a couple of days a week, or what have you. And I think that office offering is going to be more and more offered in the residential products, especially the high rise, dense residential product. You don't have to get a bigger apartment, but you have a floor go to when you want to get away from your children.Joe Bates:Kate, I want to follow up with you on that one. Again, I'm, I'm sort of talking from the perspective of the DC area out in the suburbs. We have a lot of mixed use planning going on where, you know, it's required now to have retail in the bottom and apartments, condos up top. And, and the idea is that it will reduce traffic, et cetera. And it's not, you know, we're just seeing people who are, you know, they're still moving to the suburbs, but then they're working in DC and still have to commute. And there's just a lot more traffic going cross-ways every which way. You know, what are your thoughts on that?Kate Wittels:I think DC I mean, it's congestion, do you see as that people need to be getting out of their cars more and having more public transit options than just what the Metro is providing. Right? I think there's a example that people want to go places. We have to figure out how to get them more there, more efficiently without the congestion of single person vehicle travel.Joe Bates:And that's going to be a challenge, especially in the near term, at least because the CDC is saying, hey, drive, drive a solo now.Kate Wittels:Yeah, I think what's be interesting is bus. I think the advent of bus rapid transit and where, how we're going to be using buses differently is going to be really, really interesting.Joe Bates:Yeah. I saw a photo of a bus where they're, you know, they tape off various seats and the untaped seats you can sit in. So there's this weird, you know, social distancing thing going on. What do the rest of you all think on this question that Kevin proposed?Peter DiMaggio:I think for what it's worth from my side, I think you, you touched on one, that's absolutely critical caked in, and then you mentioned that, which is the public transportation system. And for many, many years, we said, it's going to work well, if there's a great public transportation, as far out as that goes, that's how far people will move. Right? So if the train line goes out 50 miles, people will be 50 miles out, 70 miles. And I think it's going to be really interesting to see how people respond to public transportation. The exact opposite is what's happening in our offices right now. We have 50 of them. So we have all these different kinds. The places where people drive to work are filling up very fast because they don't have to deal with that, that danger or the potential exposure. So it's an odd mix of the places where we don't have public transportation or working very well to get back in the office. I don't think that's sustainable. I think ultimately we'll figure out a way to safely transit and then, then we'll get back to where we were. But however long that takes and that's a tough challenge to, to keep the public transportation to some ways, for instance safe. That's why I think we're seeing in New York, which are very slow movement to come back to the offices.Speaker 6:Well, that is the issue. I mean, for, for our firm, I mean, we we've, I like all of us, we've probably sent out surveys to our staff to figure out what are some of the key drivers. And, and one of the ones that keeps coming up is public transportation. So that's why we're moving very slowly with bringing people back to New York, but our other offices are coming back much more quickly because they are suburban suburban offices for the most part they commute via or bus, or it's a little bit easier. A lot of people are in their own car. But Boston, New York, Philadelphia, where they're taking more mass transit again, it's coming back much more slowly. So we'll have to figure out how to do that safely. And and ms. Strategy is going to have to be a part of that equation.Speaker 6:And remember that's out of our control as office leadership, right? As, as from leadership, we know we can, we can really have pretty good control what's going on in our offices and we can work with our building management to even have pretty good control of what's going on. If we're a tenant, once you get outside of that and people control their own home environment very well. It's that piece right in the middle of that you know, Kate, you mentioned something that struck a nerve partner and you, you mentioned that on a regional level, I think we're going to have to really partner with, with the mass transit systems and the public transportation systems to, to solve this problem collectively. And I think we said it earlier, the subways have never been cleaner. I forget who mentioned it. Yeah. But you know, that's because there's not much use right now, you know, once we started having more people on the subway, so it'll be clean less frequently, there'll be more cars that are out in service at any given time.New Speaker:And it's going to be, again, something we're going to have to help manage, because it is a key driver to getting us to where we need to go. Yeah. I mean, there is some collectivism in here as to how we behave as a society that I think, again, it's out of our control a little bit, but I mean, not, not so much, I think individually we add up. And that's why I did say, like, if we look at our Asian friends in the beginning of this, the first question, I think how they behave in a very organized and very dense places you know, Hong Kong after SARS, they completely changed their mentality and they're in a completely different situation now. And again, it wasn't just the engineering community that responded is the public health, but it was also just the general public in terms of not having an emergency aversion to math, you know, using their elbows for buttons, if they didn't have gloves, you know, just, I think they're a little behavior modifications, as we said, that we'll all get used to.Speaker 5:But they do have that, you know, they've had a long mentality needed to have you know, live work half rezzy, half office towers. And you know, that wasn't necessarily a commentary like, Oh, I may about mixed use and I'll go to thing. There was a commentary about speculation in the real estate market. Like let's make sure the column spacing, the engineering can convert because we're building these cities so quickly. So I think there is something in that too. That's really it's very optimistic and it's about, you know, if we build it, people will come. And that we shouldn't, we should kind of borrow from that mentality to how do we engineer buildings that can be very flexible, you know? Kay. You had that great example too about you know, Rezi flexibility with office floors. But again, like how do we, how do we design ultimately very flexible spaces that can last a long time?Speaker 6:Certainly with RCI. Yeah, I was. I'm wondering if you have any specific examples you can share with us that you're aware of. You mentioned, you know, the SARS outbreak and what types of engineering changes were made, or is there anything that you, you know of that you can share with us?Arathi Gowda:Well, there were changes to their their wind code essentially. So they have one of the most aggressive code standards and people are following it around the world in terms of not just wins and the public realm that would blow people over, but also about contaminant control. So these are things that it's like being a good neighbor because one of the contamination points was in the vent stack of two adjacent rez buildings. So it was a plumbing stack. There was a re entry point. And so they were wondering like, it's not just a tooth, but it's also, if there's something in that vent stack going wrong, that you can contaminate amongst floors. But you know, again, it's even Peter, you had mentioned that it's, it's not just our disciplines, but there were many other responses from the public health departments, how people change their behavior. And certainly we have a very big contribution and particularly in dense environments, because there are a lot of engineering control points that could facilitate better health managementPeter DiMaggio:Joe, to your point. I think there have been so many unbelievable advancements in fluid mechanics, which might be a strange question, but our ability to model how particulates move around and environment, and it came from the fire industry was doing work and the blast resistant design community was doing work like this ability to model really high end modeling of how people interact and how fluids interact with people really does exist today in a way that it didn't exist five years ago. So we have the capability, the question is, do we want to use it and adapt it and really go in that in that way, because I think we could really solve this problem on a technical level where at least address it in a way we couldn't previously.Dino DeFeo:Well, actually to that point, we are doing that already. A number of higher education institutions have reached out to talk to us about the way they use their classrooms and the placements of students with the air distribution and the air flow across those, the students in there, the people using a room so that they understand that there's a, there's a, an airflow. That's not hitting every single student. You're trying to space them out so that the separate airflows hitting separate groups of students. So you're not contaminating everybody in one shot. So you're already starting to look at the computational airflow in a, you know, in an auditorium or a classroom to see the impacts of having 10 students, 20 students, a hundred students, depending on the size of the room. So it's something that people are looking at and it's a, it's guiding their, the way they're bringing the kids back to school.Joe Bates:Kevin, what other questions do we have on this subject?Kevin McMahon:You have a question that I think impacts every business out there. It's how does the panel see the balance between densification or efficiency and hygiene? Will we be moving? We went from officers to cubes and we moved them back to offices out as the panel, see that sort of dynamic playing out?Kate Wittels:Well for a firm that's never had a private office. I don't see us going to private offices. So we will probably not be densifying as much anymore. And especially with a little bit of hoteling and a little bit of work from home and part time, work, home, and an office. I think it's very easy to densify and still maintain your office space or even a little bit less office space.Peter DiMaggio:I'll take the easy part of that question. I don't think you will see more private offices again, you know, a month and a half ago where we had older buildings, which had that we were able to get people back and then we realized, but why did they go back? Because the whole purpose of being in that office environment are at these point is to collaborate. And so I think that's the one easy one I can give you is my opinion. That's not the solution to have more people in private offices so that they can social distinction, you know, keep their air, their own environment clean. They may as well work from home at that point. So I don't know that you'll have none of them, but I don't think that's what you'll see. You're going to see people really trying to figure out how to keep their conference room safe, because that's why we go to the office.Kate Wittels:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a great point. It's about why are we going to the office? What are we doing at the office? Not do we need just another place to work. And it's a space spaces. They're going to be designed around those functions of collaboration and cultivating brand and selling to our clients and making employees happy and willing to, to work and stay at the company.Arathi Gowda:I mean, it's just you know, working at SOM we just went through a office renovation, which was quite interesting. So all of our major offices in North America are having a new office right as this was hitting, we were like, we have these beautiful spaces that we enjoy. We were all excited to go back. But I think, you know, Kate hit on this a little bit in some earlier points that you know, we all took as a value, almost less desk space and more collaborative and conferencing space. And also recognizing that it is also for us to not just be locked into our desk, only working like this, but we do a lot of you know, conferencing, more soft spaces, more areas to eat and then have more informal conversation. So, you know, Peter, your point is to how do you keep those spaces clean beyond like a, to a twice a day protocol. It's easy to do that at your desk. You know, you're just, you are wiping that, but I think it might turn into almost like a gym where you carry your towel everywhere and you wipe it down.Arathi Gowda:It just becomes a different office etiquette in these collaborative spaces. And we've seen that as obviously a design trend. It's a, nobody wants to see, or just always be an identified area, but everyone wants to be on the soft couch or, you know, in the sling chair in the conference room, like group thinking. So that's why people are going in and the cappuccino maker, which is far superior to anything we have at home.Joe Bates:Well that, that that's sort of goes to another question of those, those other shared spaces that we haven't really talked about, the kitchen, the bathroom, I was reading an article about how you can with the sort of power flushes. Now you aerosol you know, not to get too into it, but there's a health issue in the restrooms now. How do you all see addressing those communal space health issues?Arathi Gowda:We've started talking about that vacuum flushing, which has long been the con of the noise and it's annoying, but the aerosol is much less. We were talking about that on a recent airport. So it significantly reduces the amount of water reducing the aerosol, but for a long time, everyone was like, eh, sounds terrible, which it does, you know, but if you're in an airport and you're already used to hearing that on the plane but I think you've heard conversations. I think there's also, and again, an interesting social nexus with these conversations about gender fluidity and how do we plan? Because again, we often do our plumbing, this based on code counts. And we don't think about having more counts, you know, both for you know, for people to feel safe with gender fluidity, for mothers rooms and other things. So I think it's going to change the way we engineer and plan for these spaces to try to be not just code, but above that, you know, think about people first.Arathi Gowda:And how do you have, you know, an extra thing or two, and so people could be faced out, like you go into the bathroom, you don't have to be right next to someone because you just had the code minimum, you could go every other. So these are some of the things we're thinking about. And it's interesting. Cause even standards like the wells certification, or they've been asking about things like this, and now this is kinda coming up a little bit more like, how do you, how do you have more counts of these essential places to clean?Dino DeFeo:Yeah. I mean, you touched on it. Code was always the code minimum. And you know, when you're designing a building, you're looking at what is, what do I need to do to meet code? I think we're, we're going, we're getting to a place where we're going far beyond what code requires and what is appropriate now.Kevin McMahon:So we have a question that's specifically, I think it's from a designer, and the question is, can the panel discuss educational facilities and the challenge of social distancing among children with large classroom settings? What is the solution to that?Dino DeFeo:Well, you can social distance into classroom. I don't know if you're going to social distance in the quad and the bar and every place else the kids go. But as far as what a lot of the higher ed is looking at right now is, is limiting the class sizes. So if you had typically that you use a small classroom for a class size, you're using your medium sized classroom class size, and the medium went to a large and a large became a virtual class. So you're, you're using larger rooms for the, then the number of students that you had. My daughter is actually just entering college now and they just actually today emailed their list of what they're doing. And it's a masks are going to be required everywhere in common spaces when you can social distance. And they're looking at flushing out their HPAC systems much more often. So when you're running a school building, you're you're using, instead of ending the day at four o'clock or five o'clock and shutting the systems down, you're running it for an extra hour, with extra ventilation air to flush the building out. So there's going to be a number of techniques that they're going to be doing to in order to make sure that they can keep the spaces clean. It's just, it will be a challenge because kids don't always follow the rules as much as they probably should.Peter DiMaggio:I think one of the challenges will be the short term issue and then the longterm issue. And I think Dino just did a great job of talking about using very reasonable methods in the short term. The other one that we're seeing is, and as I mentioned with the offices, colleges are splitting classes. So if you have two classes a week, one time you're in the, in the class at one time, you're the remote person. So I think the next two semesters we'll see a lot of that. And the real question will be, let's say we get our hands around this virus, right? Let's say we get a vaccine. Do people go back to the way we did things previously and start packing people into classrooms? Or do we say, this is the first of many of these potential pandemics that we may have and are they all airborne and are the same solutions they are?Peter DiMaggio:So, you know, my, one of my partners wants to talk about the fact that we're in the fog right now, and we know some of our challenges, but the really big challenge for the designers is know you're designing a building right now and do you design it as if this isn't going to be here and we're going to solve it. And in the near term, you use social distancing and hand washing and masks. What do you say these kinds of pandemics may be coming again? And let's build something into this facility. And that's a really big challenge for the designers right now.Arathi Gowda:Yeah. I mean, I would, I would just add to this and I think people can tell already in the audience that I'm the engineer for a better social, social fabric, like keep making these points. But you know, this even gets back to classroom size or what we advocate for. Cause we get pushed. I think as engineers all the time to be code minimums, it's a lot of invisible things and there might be things that are very visible, like features that people want to pay for. And so there is a space in this too. There's a, a broader conversation about pedagogy and classroom size. But this moment is saying, you know, actually protect children, protect that institutional learning and have less children in a classroom that even though we're in the fog, maybe we can, we can be advocates for that after we get out of the fog.Joe Bates:Kevin, one last question. And then I'm going to ask everyone for some closing thoughts on this.Kevin McMahon:Okay. This, this question ties into the code discussion and the American Disabilities Act drove a lot of projects for all of us over the years. Does the panel see the government and different government agencies creating many more code modifications with this pandemic in all different facets of a project, you know, such as simple things like increasing the distance between bathroom facilities in the inside, the bathrooms, et cetera?Peter DiMaggio:I'll take a quick shot at that. I hope we don't do that. Dino alluded to it started out with, and I think Kate did also, my preference would be we go more towards a performance based design. We've thought it for seismic. We have a lot of structural engineers. So we like when the code specifies what kind of performance the building would need to have. And I think if we do see code changes, I'd love them to be performance based changes. And then you would have the engineering and the architectural societies really figure out the best way to solve that rather than mandating specific things. I personally would like to see that flexibility.Arathi Gowda:Yeah, I would agree. And it's, you know, going back to that was a perfect way to describe it, Peter, the fog, but we saw a similar thing with 9/11 and fire codes. And I think again, because we, we are seeing that the science is changing on what works best or not. And I also think what works best for this particular disease might not be the same as what works for flu or, or other things that we're still going to be concerned about. A performance based method would be really important versus being very reactionary to this specific instance of health concern.Joe Bates:So I'm going to ask the final question for each of you and Kate. I'm going to let you start us out on this one, give you a second to get your thoughts for repaired here. But so we thought we talked about a lot of things today. The, we talked about the buildings we work in, we live in public transit, educational settings. What are, what are buildings going to look like 10 years from now that we haven't included today? What are the, you know, I want you to put your crystal ball out there and tell us what's going to be standard in 10 years. That, that isn't today.Dino DeFeo:I think you're going to see buildings that to be much more flexible. You're gonna, I'm sorry. It was not directed towards me, but you know, I think it's going to have to be much more flexible. We've spent a lot of time. I think I started by saying, looking at energy efficiency and not so much the wellness of the people using the building. We're going to have to focus on the wellness part of the building and make sure that the occupants are, are safe and are taken care of. And it become a respite for them and not so much a place that is ready to go to, but a place they want to go to.Kate Wittels:I think well, I mean, it's hard to have a crystal ball. I think we're gonna, you know, adapt to new technologies and how we do it that are going to become commonplace. I mean, I think we we've changed so quickly from home, from working in the office, to working at home that I think we can change our behavior to do anything. So if we put our minds together and try to make our society better for women, whether it's climate or equity, I think we can force ourselves to have better behaviors in that sense. And so maybe it's more not about what, how the buildings will look differently, but maybe we'll have different people in the buildings and we'll be using them in a different way for betterment of our society. I hopeJoe Bates:Peter, what do you think?Peter DiMaggio:I always have two words. Do you know, stole the first, which was flexibility? The second one I'll throw in is, is comfort. People are going to expect more from their buildings because they're comfortable in their home and they know they could be there. So the two things about coming to the office are first. What is your reason for being there? And I have a reason now I expect to have a view or, you know, I can open my window and get fresh air. So I think that was already coming. But I think the pressure on the design community is going to be huge to be comfortable in the office.Joe Bates:Arathi, I'm going to give you the last word here today. What's going to be different 10 years,Arathi Gowda:No pressure with all of these superstars. But I do think that to Kate's point, you know, the future, there's going to be a multiplicity. We don't know, but I mean, when do you know that we have an aging population? So health is going to continue to be top of mind. And Joe, you said it, well, that it's going to be, this is not something that we're going to forget tomorrow is going to be a generation of us being very mindful. But we also have the climate eight ball. So I think that there is in 10 years, I hope that both of these things have more of a symbiotic relationship as compared to what they've been in the past, where we've been exclusively efficiency and exclusively health. And that's been, I think, really damaging to the engineering of our buildings that it's like, it was never both when, when it was always one or so I'm, I'm pretty hopeful that we're looking at these solutions that are really quite clever and bring the costs down.Arathi Gowda:They become more ubiquitous. And they look at that nexus of efficiency in health. And I think there's a lot of things that are really quite exciting now, too. It's like all dirty. And everyone's talking about this filtration humidity, like very aggressively, and we've been circling the drain on that for a long time. And I think we're getting very serious right now. You know, Peter, even to your point about comfort, it's like, well, you know, we, we had because of code because of liability, but now we're getting serious in our forums about, okay, come on. Like what's, what's going to be the best thing. And I think that's the part where it's, it's really fun and geeky, and it's fun to hang out with engineers on those topics. So I'm very hopeful that people will come. What are the good conclusions?Joe Bates:Yeah. All right. Well, thank you to all our panelists day after he's going to have a final goodbye here for us, but earthy Peter, Kate Dino, and Kevin. Thanks for fielding those questions for us as well. Daphne back to you.Daphne Bryant:Thanks, Joe. And thank you for joining us today. Thank you to our panelists and our donors for making this session possible. Lots of great information and giving us something to think about. We have a short evaluation that we will send you this afternoon. So please share your experience with us and be sure to join us on July 16th for our next session funding and the new normal, have a great afternoon and stay well. 

On June 18, 2020, the ACEC Research Institute held the first of a series of panel discussions on the future of engineering.  The topic covered by the panelists was the "Impact of Technology on Engineering."  Panelists included:• Jose Luis Blanco, Partner, McKinsey & Company• Mike Haley, Vice President of Research, Autodesk, Inc.• Chris Luebkeman, Director for Strategic Foresight, Office of the President, ETH Zurich• Heather Wishart-Smith, SVP Technology and Innovation, Jacobs• Moderator: Joseph Bates, ACEC Research InstituteA full video of the roundtable can be viewed here. Transcript:Daphne Bryant :Behalf of the ACEC Research Institute's, board of directors. Welcome to our first round table and the series, the future of engineering, a big thank you to our donors who have made this session possible. We have a great group of thought leaders, as you can see here today that will share their insights and expertise with us on the impact of technology on engineering without further ado. It's my pleasure to introduce two of my colleagues from the ACEC research Institute, Joe Bates, who will serve as our moderator today and Kevin McMahon, who will be monitoring the chat box and fielding your questions during the session, Joe, it's all yours.Joseph Bates:Thanks very much Daphne, and thank you everybody for joining today's round table. Before we get started with our questions, I'd like to introduce each of our panelists for the webinar. Today. First we have Jose Luis Blanco. He's a partner at McKinsey & Company Jose leads, McKinsey's engineering, construction, building materials and construction technology work in North America. And as a leader of its retail real estate practice, he brings deep expertise in optimizing performance and unlocking value through embedding digital capabilities and deploying and scaling up new technologies. We also have Mike Haley, vice president of research at Autodesk. Mike leads a team of researchers, engineers, and specialists to explore the future of how people design and make things. A primary focus of his team, is automation and leveraging technologies and disciplines that include machine learning, robotics, human, computer interaction, geometry, and visible visualization. Next, we have Chris Luebkeman. He's the director of strategic foresight at office of the president with ETH Zurich.Joseph Bates:Chris has a multidisciplinary education, including geology, civil engineering, structural engineering, entrepreneurship, and a doctorate in architecture. And he is deeply passionate about curating, constructive dialogue, insatiably curious. He relishes the opportunity to discover the opportunities which will be created by change, and perhaps most importantly, to evolve position solutions to the profound positive solutions to the profound challenges we face today. And last but not least, we have Heather Wishart-Smith. She's SVP of technology and innovation at Jacobs. Heather is a registered professional engineer and certified project management professional with proven, experience managing large design programs and developing, managing, and turning around troubled offices and the architectural engineering professional services market. And also Heather is a fellow of S A M E and she is currently the president elect for the 2020, 2021 Centennial year. Thank you all of our panelists for joining us today. I'd first like to start out with a question fairly broad one for each of you to start out with, and I'm going to ask Mike to start us with this based on your individual perspectives, as you look at the engineering industry, what are the one or two biggest impacts that technology will have on the industry in the future, say in the next five to seven years, for instance, will, will things be going faster? We'll be doing things in a different place,uwhat what's going to happen, Mike?Mike Haley:Thanks, Joe. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it is a broad question. There's two things, main things that come to mind for me. So the first one relates to systems and, you know, I think as we all know engineering anything in the world today and especially buildings is all about resolving the various forces that are acting between the systems and systems might be the relationship between the architecture of the building, the structure of the building NDP systems. It could be the relationship between the materials and the methods of production of the building and the sustainability of the environment. It could be the relationship between the people that are ultimately going to be in the building. And today in most practices, we don't have a way of resolving all of those tensions all the time because systems are inherently very complex and they're always changing. So the industries rely on rules of thumb, established practices, standards, these kinds of things.Mike Haley:And I can see that changing in the future. We're beginning to have the ability to automate the understanding of systems and be able to bring those insights and that guidance to engineers and designers in that process. So that's my one aspect that then leads to the second one, Joe, which is that with all of this automation and your question about, you know, you know, do, do we, are we going to need more engineers or are we going to need less engineers? What's the nature of the job market? I actually believe we're going to need more. And the reason I believe you're going to need more is I actually think we're opening up the world to greater possibilities right now with these tools. And that is going to lead to the next, my second point, which relates to knowledge and education. And I think as we build automation systems that understand and learn the patterns, we don't just use that knowledge to automate and make the machine do things, but we can use that knowledge to upskill people. We can train people more easily in using tools and using techniques. We can raise the sea level for lots of people at the same time with technology. So I see that as a sort of a commencement great trend that we're going to see in the coming years.Joseph Bates:Great. let's, let's go over to Chris. Chris, what do you think?Chris Luebkeman:So I, I totally agree with everything Mike just said, and I want to amplify a couple of points. I think there's three things. We're going to see expansion, acceleration and consolidation. As Mike said, an expansion of what we can do and expansion of toolsets and expansion of knowhow and expansion of what we're going to be asked to do. I think there's the acceleration, there's going to be, we're, we're suffering from this already when we like to complain about not enough time to even think anymore, we just have to do do do, and frankly, that's not going to stop. And so therefore these tools are going to help us. I hope and these techniques and our, and our teaming will help us deal with that acceleration. And the last is consolidation. I think we've seen over the past 10, 20 years, an industry wide consolidation, especially in the built environment.Chris Luebkeman:And I believe frankly, that will continue, but I also believe we come back to the first one, it's going to lead to an expansion because as we have the consolidation and either, so this core, core, core core, all of a sudden, there's going to be the realization. We need these new typepology, these specialists who can really focus on, for example, getting our, our third world infrastructure back up to what it needs to be in order to to regain our, our, you know, a position of pride and the other parts of this sort of this other is a consolidation of knowledge. I really think that we're going to be able to acquire and that it's not consolidation by what's there, but how we get it. Right. So we're going to be able to in a much easier way, consolidate know how consolidate knowledge in a much more rapid way. So those are my three words. Great. Jose, what about you?Jose Luis Blanco:Like how Chris frame it in three specific like you know, sentences or, or, or, or things? Let me try to do the same. I think that for me, the three things that I believe what I would love to see going forward, given what we see in technology is more transparency first. Second, being more output outcome driven. And the third one is actually much more collaborative environment. Let me try to just give you 15 seconds for me to one the transparency of think it's clear, but I think it's, I think right now we're capturing data. Not only we capturing data, we're storing data in a much more way that is going to be, we're going to be able to actually analyze that data and provide like, you know, transparencies and some traditional issues we always have a, in the construction industry and Jane construction English, okay.Jose Luis Blanco:Who made that change? What happened? What was the implication? So I think that that's going to be a huge unlock for us, and we wouldn't have a lot of noise that is always around our industry and to move forward. The second one is outcome driven. It's also tied to the first one. I think if we have more data, we have more transparency and then we're going to be able to actually you know, our designs are going to be much more outcome driven is going to be able to provide better service to our owners. I mean, I'm sure Mike and his team are working on Gera design, like crazy these days. And that for me is critical because it's going to be able to fully actually capture what the client needs and actually tell them, like, here are the choices for you, depending on the outcomes you're trying to achieve.Jose Luis Blanco:And the third one, which is the collaborative point, I think is much more than just breaking silos because we're going to have much more transparency. It's like for me, going back to Chris' point about knowledge, is really unleashing like the potential talent of fully the potential of like a group of engineers working together, right. Removing all the constraints that we need to do right now being tying like the King of silos and many other things. So these three things : transparency, outcome driven and collaborations is the things I expect and hope to see in the future there.Joseph Bates:Heather why don't you round us out here with your thoughts on this subject.Heather Wishart-Smith:Sure, so I think that my thoughts on this are really quite frankly, complimentary to what the gentlemen have mentioned. The first really that I would focus on is the interconnectivity of systems. So I've mentioned since, but that interconnectivity and disciplines, and then also the technical workforce. With regard to the interconnectivity of systems, you look at the interconnectivity of society we're coming out of the pandemic, the future of cities the urbanization, everything is going to need to rely on techno technology to really meet that exponential growth and the exponential growth of mega cities. So as was mentioned earlier, this will provide more opportunities for engineers to get involved, to leverage that kind of technology. And, you know, Jose mentioned silos. With that, I mean, I really think that those who are most successful in the technology enabled world will be those who are able to break down those silos and cut across disciplines.Heather Wishart-Smith:So much of what we do in innovation is rather than just say creating something in one discipline and then kind of throwing it over the transom for the next discipline and the next discipline; cutting across, and co-creating across disciplines in order to increase that speed to market. But then the workforce is that second aspect. You know, of course there's so many statistics out there about the U.S. In particular, not graduating enough STEM graduates, and of course it's about more than just graduating them. We need to retain them once they come into the workforce in order to remain competitive. But we also need to recognize the value of the trades, particularly as the trades become increasingly complex, as we bring IOT into operations and maintenance and all of that. So I think sometimes it's tempting to view technology as kind of a way out of not graduating enough STEM graduates, but it's, it's, it's really going to cause the need for even more of those graduates.Heather Wishart-Smith:They need to, you know, they need to have the skillset to design a program that operates and maintain all the technologies that we think will help, you know, get us out of, out of the, the brain drain if you will. But that, that workforce, it needs to be nimble, adaptable needs to be committed to lifelong learning. And finally, I think it's critically important that that workforce be inclusive and diverse. It's not just the right thing to do. It's been proven by study after study that inclusive and diverse companies and organizations perform better. It allows us as an industry to just really cast the widest net to draw the widest possible pool of candidates, to get as many STEM professionals as we can. And it's really once you that critical mass of diversity, that's when you can get the most benefit from diversity of thought.Joseph Bates:So, Heather, I think you've provided a great segue into the next section of questions here that I wanted to ask about. And that's about the increasing speed of design and how that impacts projects and delivery. And in particular, are there generational issues that we need to consider here are our younger people that are graduating more adept with the technology that is out there, or, you know, what, what are your thoughts on this?Heather Wishart-Smith:So because the people who are graduating today are digital natives. I think it's, you know, very often tempting to fall into that unconscious bias that people who are have more time in their career might not be as willing or able to change. But I have found and worked with so many people who were at the latter end of their career, who really do fully embrace that technology and innovation. So I mentioned earlier being nimble, being adaptable, having that commitment to lifelong learning, it's really about that mindset. And I think it's also important to be open, to taking on say a reverse mentor. Yes, we absolutely need to be learning from, from younger people. We need to provide better pathways to promotion and success. We, we shouldn't in any way be writing off due to our unconscious bias, any kind of you know, whole groups of people, right.Heather Wishart-Smith:I, I'd also add that, you know, not all technologies innovation, not all innovation involves technology. Some of the best innovations we have are those that have nothing to do with technology. It's really innovation in my mind is about how you approach problem solving, constantly asking what is the problem that we're trying to solve. So automation, of course, you know, we all know it should be harnessed to reduce repetitive tasks. And oftentimes also more higher risk operations to get people out of harm's way we should be using it for rapid auctioneering. We all know about, you know, generating just infinite possibilities, filtering them down to make sure that we're presenting to our clients what's best for them. Gone are the days where we show up at the [inaudible] with just, you know, possibilities. So we have a lot more to offer it's design attitude approach rather than the decision attitude approach, because you know, of course, decision attitude is assuming that all the, you know, the good options are out there. It's just a matter of deciding which one is best, but as we move into more automation, I really think it's important to take the design attitude approach to come up with the best alternatives. And then after that, the decision will be much easier.Mike Haley:Yeah. I'll answer that a little bit. What had I say that, you know, what, what we've found with the, with the newer generations, the digital natives, as you put it, Heather, is that there's a different expectation about the time to productivity you know, the traditional tools, certainly that we've been building were things that required a long time to become proficient. You had to study them, you had to learn them, you to learn the features you had to, there was a period of learning that was required. And there's, there's a level of expectation now about digital natives that they can pick up a tool and be productive immediately. So there's this relationship between learning and being productive, I think, is going to change. It is we're not ever going to have a world where you learn first and after I think, period, the time you become productive, the two are going to be much more intertwined.Kevin McMahon:I've got a question from the audience, one of the audience members wants to know in the future because of the varied nature and multidisciplinary skills that are going to be needed, that all the panels have mentioned, will, graduates be coming out of school with a more varied skillset - majors in civil, but perhaps minors in mechanical and electrical, for instance.Heather Wishart-Smith:Yeah. So I'll address that. I would even great question and I would even take it one step further, not just minors in mechanical and electrical, but in programming, in robotics, in all kinds of different disciplines that might not have been considered as related say to civil engineering as in the past. But the challenge for us in the industry is to make use of them. I think the risk is really there where you get the bright eyed, bushy tail, new graduates, and they come in and you're really attracted to them because they have the programming skills, they have the robotics background, they've done all kinds of three D printing. And then we sit them behind a computer and tell them to design things the same way that we've been doing it for decades. And we run the risk of burning them out of just really disenfranchising them. So we can't just be attracted to them. We need to recognize that we need to continue to foster that and cycle them through different opportunities and then listen to them when they come up with a way to challenge the status quo.Jose Luis Blanco:I think what Heather just said is super important. And I think that there's, if I may add one, another point is I think there's a very thin balance between and technology needs to help us with that between actually ensuring the that we maintain the knowhow that has been billed by the, I will call the older generation so to speak. I mean, we know that 30 or 40% of the workforce is going to retire over the next 10 to 15 years. So I think technology needs to allows us to capture that kind of knowhow making institutional and at the same time, without the same time, you know, and now we're allowing or empowering the new generation to do new things and doing them right. Right. So for me, that's a little bit of like [inaudible] out the new generation to do things differently, not the same way I've been down before that, for me, it's like what you actually make magic happen.Chris Luebkeman:So excuse me, I'd like to build on that as well. Yes. And first to the graduates, and then to what Jose was just saying, I think the question Kevin was a little bit in my mind too limited. Saying gonna major in civil and mechanical, I would much rather say, well, how about civil and philosophy or civil and biomedical or bio or, or, or some earth sciences or something that's actually, I think what we're hoping to see is actually a mix of the hard - the decision sciences with the natural sciences, because the challenges which we require, I think as a society are not just those who are trained how to make a decision, but as Heather was saying, the profound impact of a systems understanding and the need for us to understand more and more about how the elements within their systems sometimes need to be sub-optimized so that the system is optimized. And I think this is one thing. And the second point to build on what Jose was saying is I, totally agree with that. And we have to figure out how to make real lifelong learning, not just continuing education credits, which you go to some lunchtime lecture, which we all do and get a stamp and say, Oh boy, that was good. Thank you very much. But actually to real meaningful, lifelong learning and how I, and I, frankly, I don't know exactly what that means at this point, but I do know we're all recognizing that due to the, due to the rate of change, both professional, informational knowledge, that we need to find better ways to foster, to empower and encourage real lifelong learning and lifelong curiosity to learn. And I think that those are the two aspects there, which are not hand in hand, but in North self evident, but very, very critical for us.Kevin McMahon:Joe, we have one very interesting question then I'll let you ask the next question to the panelists. The question is with the super evolvement of technology to the panel is see that where most of the work is still procured locally and performed locally. Do they see a future where the local office, where the client is maybe just a small nub or collaboration, and then the bulk overwhelming bulk of the work is done around the globe or, or outside that core local office. Do they see that future happening in the next five to seven years?Mike Haley:I will. I'll say we're, we're beginning to see that happening already. I don't think it's a, I think it's, it's a growing trend. You know, technology is enabled and enabler of it. So as the economy, so it's society, right? All at the same time, we're seeing the shift of cloud adoption. People storing the data in centralized locations that can access it from everywhere. The days of having it on the server, inside your company, and only being able to use it. They're pretty long gone for a lot of companies. I think the gig economy, the notion of being able to hold down multiple contract jobs at the same time, switch between things, manage your workload, manage your life is a reality for a larger, larger number of people year over year. And then I, I just think that the borders are breaking down in terms of how we think about the world. And I think just because you live in another side of the world, you can think about problems elsewhere in the world, quite easily. You have access to that information.Heather Wishart-Smith:And I'll add to that. We've actually been doing this for years. It started out, I looked back in my career when I was, you know, managing programs. It started to become of course necessary when you needed to bring in a specialist who you wouldn't expect to have in the local office, but it really has evolved to the point where it's just a normal part of how we do things these days. And I think it will just continue to evolve. And that's a little bit different. I come from a very large firm,uand the smaller firms probably it's not as necessary, but it it's absolutely being done. And in addition to the technology and adoption of cloud, as Mike said, also,uvirtual and augmented reality has helped to facilitate that as well. And it also means,uless travel for some of our staff. So that's better from a work life balance perspective.Chris Luebkeman:To me, I agree with both, both of those, again, strange, but to me it's all about access. Now, at the end of the day, you used to not have access to first-class knowledge unless you were in a center. Now we right now are in two different continents at seven different time zones, and yet we're all accessing each other at this moment and the other, almost 300 people. And so it's it's access. And so it's access to knowledge, but it's also access to the marketplace. So I've been for the past five, 10 years, really, really encouraging the integration of small local offices, because at the end of the day, we know with the global move towards segregation. So national segregation and regional segregation, this is, this is going to continue. And so the local offices are going to become key to be networked and to create a new kind of network, which is trans-regional as, as the, you know, globalization screeches to a halt. I think this is, this is going to be a new reality, which we have to really look at. How can we make sure that the small local office can really provide the most excellent world-class delivery. And I, and I think that at the same time, we will still be, the big firms will still work globally and the Jacobs, the ARUPS, and all these they'll be able to flip work around the, around the world and continue doing that.Joseph Bates:Great. So I want to move on to the next section and I'm going to have Jose - I'd like to direct you then to start out with you on this one. There's a lot of buzzwords today in technology such as digital twins, data analytics, machine learning, and artificial intelligence. I'd like to talk about, first of all, what are the terms actually mean? And secondly, how will they actually affect the industry in the future? So maybe Jose, if you want to start out with one of these areas and kick us off.Jose Luis Blanco:Yeah. So a couple of reactions here. I think there's definitely a lot of buzzwords going on. And I think that I would like to separate the reason for that is because I think people sometimes actually confuse you know, technologies that aren't available or venture capitalists sounding, right, or that money is flowing to actually develop reinvestigate versus technologies that are really being adopted, whereas having mass adoption. So we'll make that distinction in the beginning of it. Right. So it's just been, you know, two or three or four, what you say is like, really, if I think about technologists, for instance, that are already impacting the way we work, obviously there's analytics that actually are being applied or advanced analytics are being applied on the field for early flags for projects. How do you explain, or the main factors that explain what a project can turn profitable non-profitable so you can, you can do a reduction analysis to actually do that, and even just forecast that you can definitely do it, you know, analysis of bidding and bidding factors, or even you can apply it to other electronic design for instance, right.Jose Luis Blanco:Which is starting to be widely used. Right. So there's things that are already happened, right. When you think about some of the things that may happen in the future, or maybe starting to happen, but not fully implemented, that's when you start entering like a world of lack of potential digital twinning, construction, or potential, like, you know, artificial intelligence where we actually fully explain, I don't think we're doing artificial intelligence in construction, per se right now, I think we're starting to do machine learning. And actually my, my actually disagree with that. I'm not, but actually that is a little bit like how we see. So I think the big, important thing for me is like all these technologies we're exploring and what should we be talking about all of that. Right. And, you know, venture capital is funding as soon as you get amount of them. And we're seeing a lot of them, the ones that actually read being adopted, I wouldn't say that at scale, they started to be adopted as a sizable pattern actually are much limited. I mean, they made it to analytics and we made it too, obviously maybe generated the design, some machine learning applications from project planning in advance.Jose Luis Blanco:[Inaudible] ....some Of that is implemented. I just want to hold on. When you say digital twin, the sec for various specific kind of use cases or a specific like areas who still are like ha a little bit like far away from a fully functioning digital twin, we understand in aeronautics to where we understand, you know, their industrial processes. Anyway, that's my perspective.Mike Haley:Yeah. I, I think Jose I makes a great point about, you know, I think of it as the hype cycle, right? And the reality is all technology goes through a hype cycle and terms like artificial intelligence, machine learning are, are hype terms. Now we deeply believe in artificial intelligence and machine learning and digital twins, but they have to be ready to Joe's point. One of the things I would add is I, you know, I think the things that are real today, like you said, are our analytics computational methods. You mentioned that Heather as well, the ability to explore alternatives, I think that's becoming a fairly robust capability today. When we start coming back to that systems aspect of things that we were talking about earlier, that's where it starts becoming complicated. And I think this is a big role where machine learning can actually play.Mike Haley:If we are to build - digital twins, I've also been around for actually quite a long time. And as you said in other industries too, but the difference is the future to have to understand the system. If they don't understand the systems, they're not correctly reflecting the situation and you're not going to be able to optimize your solutions correctly. The only way I believe you're going to be able to make correctly representative digital twins in the future is through sampling. The world is through measuring the data, learning from that data, generalizing those patterns, and then placing them within that digital twin. And then you, then you leverage that digital twin to optimize your designs and look for alternatives. But that's a pot. That's a path we're on. We're not there yet today.Chris Luebkeman:I think one of the interesting things with all of those is, as you said, Joe there's, there are buzzwords and there are many different interpretations. We can look at them with starry eyes and say, you know, I can't wait to do a digital twin and others get terrified of the thinking of the matrix coming down upon us. But as you've asked, I think it's, as we're talking. It's really critical that every firm, it makes the effort to learn about them. Both the potential as is implied by the technology tool makers, but also from those like Jose or Heather, or my other colleagues about what we're seeing is little small implementations that are showing success. So some of the data analytics for mobility and how that's able to really begin through the digital twinning of mobile networks and, and train systems of our airline systems actually to say, ah, okay, well maybe that works there.Chris Luebkeman:Maybe I could work on our proposals for this project, if we could try something. You know, I think so for me, the key with the buzzword is that our firms are prototyping a little bit and they're having a person or two who they give a freedom. What say one degree of one degree of freedom to try this. So that when the, when the client, the project, the tools are all right, that we're ready and it doesn't take yet another three years of ramping up to figure out what the heck it is. And I think that's, that's my 2 cents on that.Heather Wishart-Smith:Yeah. Joe, I can give a couple of very specific applications if you're interested. Yeah, yeah, sure. So starting with digital twins on water treatment and industrial water plants. So we've got a tool called replica that allows us to optimize those systems to prevent overflows in the event of emergency response, do a lot of scenario and what if training? And it also allows us to optimize the design and optimist and operations and maintenance. Another example for data analytics is for NASA at their Langley site in Virginia, we have about 120,000 sensors that are all around that campus. That measure things like vibration temperature, humidity, and we use predictive analytics and machine learning to be able to anticipate when something might break, which then leads to benefits like improved safety. You don't have to send somebody out to just regularly change a fan belt or whatnot improve reliability.Heather Wishart-Smith:That is a huge aspect of it. A site like NASA, they really do need to keep their site going and not have these unexpected outages also financial benefits, money money that saved and energy efficiency. And that we've had - we didn't start with 120. We started with, you know, you know, I think it was a few thousand or something like that, but it's been going on for about four years. And it just goes to show that there are a lot of opportunities in the built environment to be able to harness these technologies. I think we probably, you know, as far as specific discussion about artificial intelligence, but when, you know, when you marry that with automated design, we've been able to automate the design of you know, replicate some some very re repetitive sorts of components, say of rail or other things that, that are used quite frequently. But then bringing that and taking the learning again, starting small. So I mentioned starting smaller with Langley, starting smaller with some other things, learn from that and then be able to use it to scale even larger.Kevin McMahon:Joe, we have a pretty interesting question following up with what the panel just talked about from the audience. And it's with the ongoing industry evolution of technology is all for the panels of describe and the new graduate backgrounds that are not necessarily all engineering, traditionally related vertical integration of team, perhaps some of those team members being around the world. What impact does the panel see relative to professional engineering licensor requirements? Also coupled with the political issue today of making sure that America stays strong in engineering and doesn't outsource all the talent, like the manufacturing issue that we're well aware of.Joseph Bates:Good question. Anybody want to bite that one?Chris Luebkeman:So I I'm perhaps not the right person to answer this one. And I put that up front because I'm no longer licensed. So I really probably don't have the right to answer that question. I think what is critical is there, look at what the responsibilities are and who carries the responsibility because to me, a professional engineer in Switzerland, you don't need to have us go through a special, another licensing exam because the education is supposed to prepare you for that. But at the end of the day, it's who carries the responsibility. And what do you want to trust? Do you want to just, you want to trust a degree or do you want to trust actually that someone has proven their capability to make the right decisions. So I think it's that trust and I hope I've given Heather enough time.Heather Wishart-Smith:True friend, Chris, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a, that is a great point. I am still licensed. But I think it's, yes, it is trust. I think it's important to recognize despite the fact that there are many forces out there in various States trying to diminish the value of the license and great organizations like ACEC, like NSPE had been working hard to show that value. So despite those forces of trying to diminish the value of it at the end of the day, I think we need to remember that technology is a tool. So the tools have evolved. It used to be that professional engineers just worked at the drafting table. Then we shifted to computer aided design, you know, and then we've, we've evolved. We've got, you know, all kinds of different tools, but the technology is just a tool we still need to, as Chris said, trust the people who are applying the tool and that's for the professional engineering, licensure comes in.Chris Luebkeman:Good job Heather, thank you.Joseph Bates:So in the interest of time, I'm going to go ahead and move on to the next question that we have here. Okay. We could, we could probably have a round table on each one of these questions. This next one. I'd like to direct it at Heather and, and Chris as well, actually. How is, and you all have talked a little bit about this already, so maybe dive a bit more into this, but how will the technology affect the culture and the collaboration environment of engineering firms? You know, we talked a little bit about will, and there was a question about, will it work different places around the world, but in terms of the culture, how is that going to be impacted by technology?Heather Wishart-Smith:Yes. Would you like to start, or should I start and give you some time to think...Chris Luebkeman:You're on the edge of your seat and ready? So go for it.Heather Wishart-Smith:Okay. so we've already talked about that. I think there's going to be - several of us have said that we think that there will be a greater focus on cross disciplinary work. Innovation, pretty much demands it. And we, we can't just complete our work in silos. We need to have these multi-disciplined teams and these multi-disciplined teams, can't just be the disciplines they need to include the business model. So the HR piece, the finance and all the rest, that should be part of the development of new solutions. I think a key way of doing this is, you know, at least in my role is by embracing innovation within the workforce that we have and that's by promoting collaboration.Heather Wishart-Smith:So we need to teach people across the business to be able to collaborate, to be able to network so that when that real work does happen, they have that muscle memory of the collaboration of the innovation. And I mean, you know, in our industry, it's so difficult because we're built on a billable hours culture, it's been this way, you know, for eternity. And there's also a performance unit kind of mentality to the engineering industry where you know, it's, whether it doesn't matter how your company is structured, whether you're structured in it by geography or by discipline or by market, there's still silos. And so we need to find ways to promote and, and sustain the breaking down of the silos. Many firms are, are, are structured to promote and sustain them, but we need to find ways to break them down. They're hard to break down. But I really do think that the firms that endure and those that will be successful are the ones that are successful in doing that on breaking down those silos.Chris Luebkeman:So I agree with fully Heather and I want to bring up two more aspects. One is cooperation, we are going to be in an increasingly cooperative and competitive environment. And I think many firms already, and many of us already understand how you can compete and still be friends. And this is one of the things I always enjoyed. When I was got to travel, go down to Australia and watch a sort of Australian rugby game or rugby, you know, and people would literally like without pads, try to beat the blank out of each other, but nobody really did anything where they couldn't go have a beer afterwards and they would respect each other from, you know, the grit and their cleverness and how they played the game. But you never played dirty. Cause if you played dirty, you know, you couldn't have that had that beer.Chris Luebkeman:And this is something which I would like to hope that we can also aspires - not necessarily Australian rules, rugby. It's a crazy game, all due respect, Mike, it's crazy. But this idea that just because we're competitors does not mean we can't always be good friends and I truly believe we need to work more on the second part. I think we're very good at the first part. So I think so culture is actually a manifestation of both the written and unwritten rules and how one treats each other. And it's the written and the unwritten rules. And part of your question there, Joe is about culture change. So part of the question that has to be, as we look at ourselves and our firms, what is our culture? And do we actually understand what the written and unwritten rules are of our firm? And if you haven't asked yourself that, and not just what you think as a principal, what the culture is and you say, well, our culture is openness and you walk into the office.Chris Luebkeman:And as soon as you walk in, everybody puts their head down and they're afraid of you, but you can say it's open, but the reality might be a very different thing. So to actually have a real conversation about the culture that we need in order to be successful in the new economy, in the digital transformation and one and one more thing, Jose, and it's all you said. So for me, the most important thing that we could say with this is, and I support Heather is it's not just a technology, but it's actually having a real conversation about our firm's culture and what we wanted to be slash needed to be.Jose Luis Blanco:Yes, just 10 seconds of this. I think that there's clear, there's a very clear link between performance and health, right? Health critical part of that is culture. And I think that over the past three months with COVID, I think we shift towards a working remote environment and we all will be surprised how fast we've been able to adapt to that. Right. but I think that some of the challenges of the issues will culture are going to start to appear in the coming months. And it's my belief that you can sustain. You can potentially sustain our existing, strong cultural, remotely. I don't think you can build the cultural remotely, or you can rebuild a culture remotely. So that's something that firms will need to, you know, when we're talking about what we're hearing about are they working from home, you know, half of my staff working from home and things like that. I think the implications of cultural implications of that I get to be seen, and we just need to pay attention to that.Kevin McMahon:With lifelong learning, that a lot of the parents have mentioned, and the ability for more experienced engineers to learn new tools and skills, maybe it's more from Mike's first answer, or are the tools keeping pace with the expectation of learning curve of designers to shorten or eliminate the learning curve to use these tools?Mike Haley:No, I wouldn't say they are. I think there's a it's, it's, it's a very, it's a, it's a difficult problem because I don't think it's well understood today. I mean, we, we still live in a world with traditional educational cycles, traditional university college, whatever it may be, get your, get your certification, do that. But those are the cycles we live in. So those are the models we have today. There isn't many models that, that, that, that have this sort of rapid learning world that I referred to for. I mean, some of the only models today are actually newer technology applications. Things you might get on an iPad that people are learning supervised there's there's ideas. There's these hints. I think all over the place as to what these are, I would hesitate to think of a single really, really good example that exists in the world of technology today.Mike Haley:I can tell you, in our research group, this is a very large part of our research objective. And it's precisely for this reason is that we don't actually know the right ways to do this. We are doing experiments in our software. We were introducing features that help people understand how they're learning the software, how they compare to others who are learning it, what are their patterns of progression through the software? And as we do this, we are gradually introducing more tools, but we're also learning at the same time. So I'm not quite sure what that looks like yet, but we don't have an option. That's the point though, we have to do this. We have to make this, the nature - tools cannot just be about taking what you do today and automating it away. Tools have to be about making you more effective and making the combination of human and machine better at the end of the day.Chris Luebkeman:No, I think that's great. The other thing I think so fascinating, it was Kevin with that question is the micro-learning. And I have two 20 something year olds one's graduated. One's just about to, and you know, they, they do micro-learning if they need to learn how to do something, they take and look on YouTube and they find a little burst on how to do it. And then all of a sudden they know how to do it. And I just, it's hard for me of a different generation to think that way. I'd rather call up Mike and have Mike explain it to me and say, hey, you know, and talk to him. And my son, George would just rather just look at YouTube, look it up. And he actually doesn't care what language it's in, because if it's a tool, he can just watch the strokes. And sometimes he'll look at something in different languages, because it's just interesting to see how someone's designed something slightly differently. It just kind of blows my mind, you know?Joseph Bates:So I, again, I just want to keep us moving here. I apologize for cutting off these great conversations. I want to this one's just for Mike, and then we're going to, we're gonna move to the last questions here, but Mike, how, how are people going to pay for this? You know, are certain firms going to have an advantage, the big firms, because they can afford to pay for the technology and the education and the taking the non billable hours to learn it, what's going to happen there and how will the small firms catch up?Mike Haley:Right. So, I mean, you know we're seeing a lot of new business models around how people pay for software, right? So, I mean, we've, we've moved to subscription models which make billing more consistent. And over time, we're also seeing the emergence of capacity based models. And, you know, there was a time not too long in the past where there were, there were products and tools that we make at Autodesk that very few firms, unless you are a massive firm could actually afford, you know, you would, you would only use those tools if you're a certain size that doesn't actually make sense in a capacity based world. So if you're paying for capacity, if I'm a small, if I'm a small firm and I need to run say three structural simulations a week, if I pay per structural simulation and don't have to pay an enormous amount of money for the software upfront, then it doesn't matter that I'm a small firm versus a big firms.Mike Haley:So I think we were seeing these more flexible models that, of course they relate to the cloud, they relate to those sorts of things. And I think, I think there's an interesting difference between large firms and small firms. I think large firms have an inertia that, that, that they have to overcome, but they also have, they have the capital, they have the assets, they have the money, they have the ability to do some of these things only. So the firms lack what Heather were saying. Firms that have been doing this for awhile, actually have a massive advantage because they are there. They are able to act on it. On the flip side, the small firms are nimble, right? They are flexible. They starting up. In fact, their secret sauce will be adopting these very kinds of technologies that we're talking about right now, data in the cloud work from anywhere, flexible learning, bring the data together. Use, use generative design, use, use digital twins, use insights, use these things. And those will be the folks that will win better. But I do believe in the sort of flexible business models that allow everybody to leverage all of the technology.Joseph Bates:Okay, great. So I'm going to ask the final question for each of you, and then we may have time for a couple of questions. Kevin Jose, I want to start out with you. I know you have to log off just a couple of minutes before the rest of us. So the big final question is what is, what is the firm of 2040 look like? You know, put you put on your thinking, cap, your wizardry, whatever you want to call it, your crystal ball. What is the firm of 2040 look like Jose? He might be gone. Oh. Did we already lose them? Okay, well sorry about that. I thought we were going to have him for another five minutes, but so let's just go ahead and throw that one over to Heather.Heather Wishart-Smith:Sure. So I think that we're going to see very few of the traditional A & E's in place. I think that line between technology and design it's, it's already been blurred. I think it will become increasingly blurred. Some examples. We all know about Sidewalk Labs and their smart city project in Toronto. And, you know, yes, I know it's, you know, that project has been terminated, but it they're going to come back in a different city with a different model, with more privacy controls and all the we've seen it with Elon Musk, the Boring Company, and Hyperloop pretty much with no past performance, they've won large scale tunneling projects. You see it with tech companies with autonomous vehicles. Just what was it two weeks ago with space spaceX just launched America's first private company to do so here in America. So that line is really becoming increasingly blurred.Heather Wishart-Smith:So it's really going to result in the increase in the skill set of firms. So tech companies, I think, are going to start acquiring more traditional skill sets, maybe by buying some of these more traditional A & E companies, especially as the owners age out and traditional companies are going to be acquiring the tech skills. That's maybe not as much through acquisition, but through training, by hiring different people. It's funny at Chris, I love your term of coopertition in, I have a colleague at Jacobs who refers to it as competitive-ates. These are where sometimes you compete and sometimes you collaborate together. Taking what Chris said earlier a little bit further. I always try to remember that today's competitor could be tomorrow's client because this is such a small industry. We all have competitors who have since become a clients but, you know, with these competitive-ates, cooper-ates competition, it's really about collaborating together to address these new market opportunities because alone, we're probably not going to be able to get there. So it comes back to your behavior, your home, we talked about earlier, your mindset, not being risk averse, being open to new ideas. And if you want to endure, do not get too comfortable in your silo.Joseph Bates:Great. It looks like we have Jose back Jose. I wanted to ask you before you have to jump off, what does the firm of 2040 look like?Jose Luis Blanco:Well just kinda like very, very interesting question. I mean, I wish I had a crystal ball to actually explain all that, but I think that, I think in my mind, if I just summarize what I see the firm of 2044 as like having a very different demographics in terms of like the roles that we have and have been there for 34 years I'm very doubtful that we're going to be there. Right? [inaudible] The projects that we have right now, many different type type of led professions in there and professions that don't even exist as of today. Right. I expect us probably hopefully it'd be again, probably much more remote, but also with some sort of physical presence because in the end physical presence, local presence, because in the end, I think that the work that we do is not only even the built environment is an enabler for many of the things and we need to listen locally to be able to deliver globally.Jose Luis Blanco:Right. So that's something that also, I think the firm needs to have. And I hopefully I hopefully like you by 2040 as is like in a few years time, which is time you know, infrastructure and the brother engineering space is being seen as a critical part of how people, you know, how will you enable how people live, work and play. So hopefully we will see engineering to be playing even a more integral part in people's lives than it even paying today. So maybe I'm being too optimistic, but those are the things that I would personally see. I see all these revolutions that are happening is also like almost like an opportunity to put the engineers back at the center of so many different things that we can do to improve our society going forward. So again, maybe I'm a little bit of like an optimistic, maybe I'm just like a little bit optimistic, but those are some of the things that I would expect to see in digging the farmer to 40, like diversity from backgrounds, diversity in terms of likely for him elements being much more at the core of how we work, play and live. And and those are some of the traits that I expect.Joseph Bates:Great. Thanks Jose. Mike, what about you? And then we're going to add, go to Chris.Mike Haley:So I, since we're a group of optimists here, so I'm, I'm I'm an optimist as well. When for me, a lot of it comes back to the competition thing that Heather and Chris have both talked about, but looking at it at a knowledge level I think there's an enormous amount of knowledge that exists across the engineering architect of the entire building industry that is mostly common, but it's not always shared or is really shared. And I think by 2040, I see there being a strata of, of knowledge be a digitally represented, hopefully that is then is available to everyone. It, again, I used the term, you know, raising the sea, raising all boats, right? All boats are naturally floating at a higher level, which allows the competition then to actually happen at a higher level. The difference between firms is no longer at this lower level that everybody is benefiting from the shared observations, perhaps it's the performance of certain buildings or performance of certain decisions or materials or processes or whatever it is. So I really do see a more collaborative world centered around knowledge sharing.Chris Luebkeman:So for me, well, the first thing that I do whenever I asked a question like that, Joe, is I think of, I go 20 years back. So if we go back to two year, 2000 and think, where are we as a practice, as a world, they're all freaking out because we thought our computers were going to blow up, right? And the world was a, I would argue a very, very different place 20 years ago. So I'll then go forward and think 20 years, what's the context going to be of the firm 20 years from now. And so we will have massive water stress globally. We're already seeing that in the United States, North America. So we will see mass migration. We're going to have a political stress due to migration, which we have not in our lifetimes yet even begun to experience.Chris Luebkeman:And so therefore we're going to be called upon to solve problems, which are not just technical, but have a social dimension in a way which is quite profound. And I'm not quite sure if we're going to be up for the, up for that yet right now, the firms aren't. But I think by then we will be, I think there by 2040, we are always going to be designing and full artificial reality. And we'll be using virtual reality in construction sites as an absolute norm. It's gonna be like, duh, can you believe that we actually did this once without it just in the same way. Now we can hardly imagine using a slide rule, which I think I was the last class at Cornell to actually use, you know, and I think, and so this is going to be a new, so let's means then if you're doing in VR/AR or that means you don't have to be co located in any way, shape or form.Chris Luebkeman:So all of us can be in a design meeting right now and actually really interacting with haptics so we can push and pull and really feel that I think by 2040, we will have climate legislation, which has been a long time coming, which will then have a different paradigm shift on how we, and what we designed to. So the makeup of our firms will also be very different and what's going to be needed in order to, for us to design for things which will be fit for purpose because the purpose will be not just engineering specification. And I think that's so, and then if I think about economically, we will have gone through two recessions. We're about to hit one and we will at least go through another two within 20 years. And I think we'll go through to identity crises as a profession. We're kind of in one right now, we're doing, what's our role.Chris Luebkeman:I think we'll go through a couple more as these new tools and these new challenges come. And so, and the last one, I'll say, no, politically there will be a new ballgame. There'll be a new empire, not quite sure which one will rise stronger, but you know, our rocket is kind of kicking over. We've seen peak Americas. And so, and then the question becomes, what will it look like in this new environment for consultants that we already have a lack of sand. We have a lack of, you know, so it's gonna be very interesting in how we design in a constrained physically constrained world. So these are gonna be new challenges, which I think is super exciting for us. And we have to be walk into this with our head up, right? Not looking backwards, but to walk with that with our head up and shoulders back saying, okay, it's, it's a new, it's a new game. It's a new quarter. Let's get the team out there and let's play ball.Joseph Bates:Great. Great, Chris, thanks for closing this out there. Daphne, I'm going to throw it back to you for a few final comments.Daphne Bryant :Thank you everyone for joining us. Thank you to our panelists for all your wonderful insights to our donors for making this session possible. We do have a short evaluation that we will send you this afternoon. So please share your experience with us and be sure to join us next week for our second session, the buildings we live and work in, that'll be on June 25th at 3:00 PM. Eastern. Thank you. Have a great afternoon and please stay safe.

Brent Nelson and Rachel Sass are joined by Kevin McMahon, CLU, ChFC, of WealthPoint (https://wealthpoint.net/our-people/), to discuss life insurance. They get into depth on different types of policies, evaluating a client's needs for life insurance, the tax treatment of the products, and whether life insurance should be viewed as a separate asset class.

Brent Nelson and Rachel Sass are joined by Kevin McMahon, CLU, ChFC, of WealthPoint (https://wealthpoint.net/our-people/), to discuss life insurance. They get into depth on different types of policies, evaluating a client’s needs for life insurance, the tax treatment of the products, and whether life insurance should be viewed as a separate asset class.

Political science professor Kevin McMahon joins me to discuss presidential power.

Why should companies use cloud communications tools? How can cloud-based communication tools help businesses facilitate remote work and maintain operations as usual? How can businesses assimilate within the expanding remote business economy by embracing global cloud-based collaboration tools? “We facilitate the ability to provision resources on the fly,” says Evan Griffiths, Business Development Manager at Flowroute. Griffiths outlines how cloud-based tools makes telephony management “a matter of clicks”. Kevin Mcmahon, Director of global marketing for enterprise collaboration, Intrado, notes that by taking cloud communications to the cloud, users spend less time on infrastructure and more time on higher IT and UC functions.  We learn about the value of collaboration and the way cloud enables collaboration, while we also hear for security and privacy issues can be mitigated. The podcast offers a case study of how these tools can come together. Mcmahon offers an overview of Intrado. Visit Flowroute.com for more information.

Kevin is quick to point to the fact traditional on-premise knowledge and familiarity falls short when moving to public cloud. Organizations need to either grow or procure cloud expertise (either internally or externally) in order to minimize errors and failures.

The High Point Rockers Returned home fresh off a series win against The Lancaster Barnstormers. They faced the freedom division's first place team in The York Revolution. Great starting pitching and big offense have powered The Rockers to a series win against The Revolution. That's two series wins in a row for High Point Rockers. Join the High Point Rocker Broadcast team of Kendrick Fruits and Kevin McMahon as they recap the week that was for High Point, as well as take a look around the league as the post season continues get closer. Kendrick, Kevin, and James are joined by High Point Rockers Manager Jamie Keefe. Keefe talks about the team's season so far, the rockers hot streak they are on, and his favorite memory of the season so far. The Jamie Keefe interview is a can't a miss for all Rocker fans this week!

The High Point Rockers returned to High Point for a big series against the first-half champion Long Island Ducks. The Rockers won Friday night and The Ducks won Saturday night, which set up a huge game for the series on Sunday. Join The Rocker Broadcast team of Kendrick Fruits and Kevin McMahon as they recap another week of Rockers baseball. As the playoffs get closer they look at the standings and breakdown what it all means for The Rockers. They discuss the first battle that was had between The Ducks and The Rockers and how starting pitching played a big role. For this week's interview, Rocker Outfielder Jared Mitchell joins Kevin, Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson, and Intern John Furr for a very fun and interesting conversation. Jared talks about his time with The Rockers so far, some of his baseball memories, and he even answers some fan questions!

The High Point Rockers had a great week with 2 series wins in a row. The Rockers beat a very hot Southern Maryland Blue Crabs team and their Liberty division rival Long Island Ducks. A lot took place during the homestand, and on the Rocker's quick road trip to Long Island. One half of the High Point Rockers Broadcast team, Kendrick Fruits, is here to break down the week that was for High Point. NC native and Rockers Outfielder Richie Shaffer joins the podcast to talk baseball, Clemson Football, His Draft Day experience, Music, Brett Austin and so much more! Then the other half of the High Point Rockers Broadcast team Kevin McMahon previews the upcoming 6 game homestand for the High Point Rockers.

It was a playoff like atmosphere with the defending Atlantic League Champion Sugar Land Skeeters in the house, Sugar Land won a very competitive series 3-1. High Point shifts their focus to another Freedom division team as they welcome The Southern Maryland Blue Crabs to BB&T Point for a 4 game series. Join High Point Rockers Media Relations Cordinator James Jackson and Rocker broadcast team Kendrick Fruits and Kevin McMahon as they recap the series against The Sugar Land Skeeters. McMahon and Fruits discuss the takeaways from the series, say thank you to Tyler Ladendorf who's contract was purchased this week, and talk about the great starts The Rockers pitching staff has had as of late. Starting pitcher Michael Bowden joins the podcast, enjoy as we learn more about Bowden and he talks about how baseball has taken him all around the world. Then of course James previews the upcoming series against The Blue Crabs.

The High Point Rockers returned home for a quick three game series after winning a series against the Barnstormers on the road. The Somerset Patriots picked up two out of three games against The Rockers in their weekend homestand back in High Point. Join High Point Rockers Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson and Rocker broadcast team Kendrick Fruits and Kevin McMahon as they breakdown and recap the week that was for the Rockers/Hushpuppies. The guys take a look at the standings, their thoughts on the new rules after seeing them first hand, and they preview what is up next for High Point. High Point goes back on the road but will be back soon and when they come back they will stay a while with an eight game homestand. Also Kevin, Kendrick, and James sit down with Myles Schroder as they discuss The Rocker's season so far, his versatility, west coast hip hop, and a little football talk as well.

The Atlantic League All Star break has just come to an end. The High Point Rockers have started the 2nd half of their season on the road against The York Revolution. York won the series 2-1, The Rockers continue their road trip against the Lancaster Barnstormers and will return to BB&T Point on July 19th for a three game series. An All Star game, Rule Changes, a great interview with all star Sam Runion this episode has a little bit of everything! Join one half of the High Point Rockers broadcast team Kevin McMahon as he breaks down the newest rule changes in the Atlantic League and celebrates the accomplishment of The Rockers having 7 All-Stars in their inaugural season. All Star Sam Runion joins Kendrick and Kevin to talk the All Star game, his great hair, baseball, music, and more!

The High Point Rockers finished their last homestand before the all star game with a winning record of 4-3. The Rockers provided a homestand full of fun, walk off wins, and dramatic baseball. Join The Rockers Broadcast team, Kevin McMahon and Kendrick Fruits as they provide a recap of the first half playoff race, a look back at the week that was for The Rockers that was full of Fourth of July festivities and big wins. Quincy Latimore joins the podcast to talk with James Jackson and Kevin. It is currently the all star break in the Atlantic League and the guys provide a full break down of all the Rockers who are on their way to York.

The High Point Rockers have just completed their longest road trip of the year. This stretch was highlighted by a 5 game win streak and a series win against the Freedom Division leading Sugar Land Skeeters. The Rockers return to High Point with the race for first in the Liberty Division coming down to the wire with the All Star game right around the corner.Join Rockers play-by-play man Kevin McMahon and Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson as they recap the road trip and preview the last week of the first half for the Rockers. The duo also highlight some individual accolades for various Rockers as well as discuss the success of the Rocker bullpen thus far.

The first half of the division continues to creep closer with each passing game and The High Point Rockers are in the playoff conversation with two weeks to go before the all star game. The Rockers are coming off of a home stand where they went on a five game win streak splitting the series against the Long Island Ducks and sweeping the Lancaster Barnstormers. The High Point Rockers are now in the midst of a 9 game road trip. Join Rockers Play by Play broadcaster Kevin McMahon as he recaps the week that was for The Rockers. He also takes a look at the standings and what it all means for High Point. Quincy Latimore is a Rocker again, and Frank Nigro joins the podcast to talk with Kevin and James after being the hero in game 2 of the series against Lancaster.

The High Point Rockers are heating up again after picking up two wins straight against their Liberty Division rival, The Long Island Ducks. After splitting the series The Rockers are looking to keep their winning ways going as the 1st half approaches. Rockers play-by-play man Kevin McMahon and Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson, discuss High Point Rockers status at this point in the season, recap the first series of the home stand against The Ducks, Preview the series against The Lancaster Barnstormers, also Kevin and James are joined by First Base Coach Billy Horn who provides a behind the scenes look of every day life on the Rockers coaching staff.

As the High Point Rockers enter the month of June they find themselves in a heated race in the Liberty Division. With the conclusion of the first have a few short weeks away, it's going to be a tight one for the first playoff spot in the Atlantic League.Rockers play-by-play man Kevin McMahon and Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson recap the last week in Rockers baseball including the departure of Dante Bichette, Jr. The two also chat with High Point infielder Giovanny Alfonzo as he discusses his upward trend and his role as clubhouse DJ.Don't forget to follow the team on Instagram (@highpointrockers), Twitter (@RockersBaseball) and Facebook (@HighPointBaseball). You can follow every home game right here on Public House Media or slide to HighPointRockers.com to learn more!

Baseball is a very strange game. A week after the High Point Rockers reached first place, they found themselves in last place in the Liberty Division. Not only that, but they welcomed in the red-hot New Britain Bees to BB&T Point. Join play-by-play voice Kevin McMahon and Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson as they recap the last week in High Point Rockers news and preview the week ahead. Kevin and James also chat with new addition Viosergey Rosa about his journey in professional baseball and his excitement to be a part of the Rockers.Don't forget to follow the team on Instagram (@highpointrockers), Twitter (@RockersBaseball) and Facebook (@HighPointBaseball). You can follow every home game right here on Public House Media or slide to HighPointRockers.com to learn more!

Another week, another solid performance from the High Point Rockers. The team welcomed in the Long Island Ducks for a first-place battle at BB&T Point this week and were able to find their mojo to take over the top spot in the Liberty Division.Play-by-Play voice Kevin McMahon, and Media Relations Coordinator James Jackson broke down a lot of how the Rockers found themselves atop the standings for the first time in franchise history and discussed how they could stay there. A big key in the Rockers performance is Triad native Seth Simmons. The pitcher sat down with the guys to talk his role in the teams success and why he is a Belieber. Don't forget to follow the team on Instagram (@highpointrockers), Twitter (@RockersBaseball) and Facebook (@HighPointBaseball). You can follow every home game right here on Public House Media or slide to HighPointRockers.com to learn more!

kevin mcmahon is a brew master for ginos east brewery and a musician for a few different bands in the city. he also hosts his own podcast called the indecent podcast on all streaming platforms

The making of a champion starts at a young age with the athlete's family, youth coaches, and community. The champion's mindset then grows from there. Kevin McMahon won two US titles in the hammer throw and competed in two Olympics and four World Championships. He joins this week's podcast to share how he started out as a thrower, the San Jose throws community he came of age in, and the inspiration he took from that. In addition, we look a bit at what it takes to be a champion in the hammer throw, and more. For more information on this topic, read the complete show notes at: http://www.hmmrmedia.com/2019/03/hmmr-podcast-episode-192-a-star-is-born-with-kevin-mcmahon/ More notes: Join HMMR Plus so you don't miss all the content on our site, including past episodes of the podcast, our deep article archives, video library, and more. If you like the podcast, don't miss our latest book Training Talk: Conversations with a Dozen Master Coaches for more in-depth insights on training from some of the world's top coaches. The site theme in March is throwing. Stay tuned for more new resources on all of the throwing events. You can also find an overview of our best throws content here. McMahon has been featured many times on this site. On Episode 9 of the podcast we discussed work-life balance with him. We also did a detailed written interview with him in 2013 where he discussed the influences he took from working with some of the best coaches in the world. In 2017, he also sat down with Sergej Litvinov and others for a hangout on accelerating the hammer. Highlights of the hangout are available here. Another part of McMahon's life is design. He teaches design and has helped design the logos for both HMMR Media and Garcia Performance. You can find some of his designs on Instagram @design.dojo. Want to see how McMahon whipped the hammer around? You can find some of his throws on YouTube. A recent TedX talk is also available.

On today's episode we are joined by Kevin McMahon, a military veteran who was embedded with the UConn Men's Basketball team as part of the 2K Classic Benefiting the Wounded Warrior Project. We talk about his experiences of the past week, getting to know Dan Hurley, and how the Wounded Warrior Project has has impacted his life. This episode was edited by Stephen Sanzari.

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  "Kevin McMahon is a native Nebraskan and a World Champion Athlete who knew he wanted to make films since he was four years old.  A national award winning broadcast student from the University of Nebraska, Lincoln, McMahon jumped into the film business immediately after retiring from his athletic career by directing his first short film entitled The Bag, a horror about a young couple on a road trip who pick up a creepy old woman with a large carpet bag.  Always a writer and director, McMahon worked in the industry in any way he could and found himself as a camera operator on several television shows in the early 2000s.  Quickly he became a Director of Photography and over the course of 14 years worked on over 250 TV series and dozens of films.   As a director McMahon has helmed several short films, TV episodes and music videos.  His video for Latin Grammy winner Beto Quevas for his song Quiero Creer featuring Flo Rida was the number one video in Mexico and Latin America for an astounding 10 straight weeks.  Currently he is working to get his feature Military Action / Paranormal Thriller film, Classified, financed.  The short version of Classified based on the feature recently won Best Super Short Film at Shriekfest LA.  Both Classified and his other short film Military Husband are currently making the festival rounds.  Military Husband is a drama about a man who's wife is sent to the war in Iraq and examines what men go through when their loved ones are in harms way.   With favorite films such as Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Thing, Star Wars, The Shining, Edge of Tomorrow and more, McMahon looks to write and create more and more while making the final transition away from camera and back into his first love of directing."

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The Total Tutor Neil Haley will interview International Award-Winning French Jazz Vocalist Cyrille Aimee. She will discuss how she started as a Jazz vocalist, and the upcoming event in Pittsburgh on September 6th at 6:30 PM. The Pittsburgh Cultural Trust is pleased to announce the award-winning, internationally recognized jazz vocalist and recording artist Cyrille Aimée will be the featured performer during the Cultural Trust's Gala on Saturday, September 6, 2014, performance being held at the O'Reilly Theater located in downtown Pittsburgh's Cultural District.  Ms. Aimée was born in Fontainebleau, France where she discovered a love of the gypsy's language and music at an early age and comments, “I was hypnotized by this music which made me want to tap my feet.  Swinging music makes me so happy. ”  Ms. Aimée studied music at the American School of Modern Music in Paris and SUNY Purchase, New York.  “The Pittsburgh Cultural Trust is honored that Ms. Aimée will be performing at our annual gala event.  Ms. Aimée's performance will be a highlight of the evening and we look forward to hosting this outstanding and accomplished jazz vocalist as our special guest,” comments J. Kevin McMahon, President and CEO, Pittsburgh Cultural Trust.