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If you didn't know already, we have a Patreon. In some of our very special bonus episodes, Dave is Joined by Emma's son Brody to talk about some truly awful kids movies. Well, we'd like you all to experience the fun we have recording these episodes as a special treat. All we ask in return is that you join us in wishing Brody a very happy birthday (on the day of release!) Happy birthday Brody, May the fourth be with you! In order to restore their dying safe haven, the son of Poseidon and his friends embark on a quest to the Sea of Monsters, to find the mythical Golden Fleece, all the while trying to stop an ancient evil from rising.Join Brody and David as we delve into the world of half-bloods and gods for an underwhelming adaptation of the sequel to Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief. We recorded this before the release of the recent Disney+ live action series.We rented this move on Amazon Prime in the U.K.Intro and Outro Music by fassounds from Pixabay&Transition Music by Muzaproduction from Pixabay Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join us on this episode called Almost Cancelled. Toxicity: A Damaging Force as we dive into the tumultuous world of toxicity, exploring its damaging force in various spheres. From online communities to real-life interactions, we dissect its impact and discuss strategies for mitigating its effects. In addition, catch up on the latest in baseball with our season update, and stay informed on the financial and housing markets. Tune in for insightful discussions and engaging topics that matter."   Thank you for tuning in to Gio's Passion! Be sure to rate, follow, and subscribe on your preferred podcast platform, including Spotify. Don't miss out on new episode notifications by clicking the bell icon. Connect with us on social media: Facebook Page: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion⁠ Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/⁠ YouTube Link: ⁠https://bit.ly/38u5sFR⁠ This episode is proudly sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & ⁠giospassion.com⁠. For on-air interviews or inquiries, reach out to us at ⁠https://www.giospassion.com/contact⁠ or via our social media channels. Feel free to send us a recorded message at ⁠https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message⁠.   Get ready to groove with our podcast, featuring an electrifying lineup of music credits: Intro Music: "Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version" by FVMELESS 1-Transition Music: "The Body Instrumental Version" by Davis Absolute 2-Transition Music: "Rising-of-the-sun" by borrtex 3-Transition Music: "Havana Sunset” by MatanGovAri 4-Transition Music: "Coeur-dalene" by pete-james-johnson Outro Music: "Juno" by OTNO With beats that'll keep you hooked from start to finish, these tracks set the perfect vibe for your listening pleasure. Let the music take you on a journey while you tune in to our podcast. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

In this thought-provoking podcast, we delve into the complex interplay between loneliness, intimacy, and emotional connection. Join us as we explore the question: Would you engage in intimate acts with someone, knowing you have no feelings for them, just to avoid being alone? Through candid discussions and expert insights, we uncover the psychological and emotional motivations behind such decisions. Whether you're grappling with your own experiences or seeking to understand the intricacies of human relationships, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on navigating the blurred boundaries of intimacy and loneliness in today's world.

Empathy is a very important skill when it comes to life. And its almost a must that every parent should teach this to their children. Lets talk about this : heres the transcript : Host: Welcome back, wonderful listeners, to another episode of "The Podcast By Dr Dad"! I'm your host, Dr. Gaurav Nigam, the funniest pediatrician this side of the stethoscope. Today, we're diving into the deep end of the kiddie pool to discuss something super important: empathy! *Cue imaginary applause*[Cheerful Intro Music Fades Out]Host: Now, empathy isn't just for the Hallmark card aisle or those tear-jerker movies. It's a crucial skill that can make the world a better place, starting right from childhood. So, buckle up and get ready to laugh and learn because we're about to embark on a journey through the land of feelings and understanding.[Transition Music]Host: But first, let's get nerdy for a moment. Empathy isn't just some touchy-feely concept; it's backed by science! Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Leipzig, Germany, have been poking around the brain to see what makes us tick. And guess what? Turns out, empathy isn't just in our hearts; it's in our heads too![Cheeky Drum Roll]Host: They've discovered that when we feel empathy, our brains light up like a Christmas tree, especially in areas responsible for understanding other people's emotions. So, basically, empathy is like brain fireworks! Who knew understanding feelings could be so flashy?[Transition Music]Host: Now, you might be wondering, "But Dr. Gaurav Nigam, how do we turn our little ankle biters into empathy superheroes?" Well, fear not, dear listeners, because I've got some top-secret, highly classified tips just for you![Spy Music Plays]Host: Tip number one: Lead by example! Kids are like tiny sponges, soaking up everything around them, including your actions. So, if you want your kiddos to be empathy champs, show them what it looks like! Whether it's comforting a friend or helping a neighbor, let them see your empathy superpowers in action.[Transition Music]Host: Tip number two: Encourage perspective-taking! Now, I'm not talking about putting on a pair of tiny glasses and pretending to be someone else. Although, that would be adorable. I'm talking about helping kids see things from different points of view. Like, "How would you feel if someone did that to you?" It's like giving their empathy muscles a little workout![Transition Music]Host: And last but not least, tip number three: Practice gratitude! Research from the Greater Good Science Center at the University of California, Berkeley, shows that gratitude and empathy go together like peanut butter and jelly. By helping kids appreciate the little things in life, they're more likely to empathize with others' experiences. So, bust out those thank you notes and get grateful![Transition Music]

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Introducing our final guest of the season we have the incredible Martin Schippers. From first taking lessons with his grandfather to now becoming one of the most prevalent and respected musicians of today. Martin goes in depth about his musical upbringing, approach to work/life balance, and elaborates on new upcoming projects. Martin is currently the current tenor/ bass trombonist of the Royal Concertgebouworkest and professor at Lucerne University in Switzerland, and has appeared at numerous events and festivals such as the International Trombone Festival, Lätzsch Trombone Festival, and Peru Low Brass Festival just to name a few. -- Transition Music #1: Colores, Steven Verhelst, feat. Martin Schippers and the Schwob Trombone Ensemble Transition Music #2: Devil's Waltz, Steven Verhelst, feat. Martin Schippers and Tomer Maschkowski Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

For our second to last episode this season, we have the most subbed brass musician on YouTube, Christopher Bill. Originally building his brand on YouTube in the 2010s and expanding to several other social medias, Chris started his channel with all-trombone arrangements of popular songs and has gained serious popularity since then. Now known internationally for his arrangements, compositions, and his album Half Man, Half Machine, Christopher Bill has one of the most unique careers of nearly any musician out there, giving us a great unique interview full of experiences we have yet to hear. -- Transition Music #1: Power Down, Christopher Bill Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

Exciting episode today, as we have an international guest on the podcast today, interviewing Ilan Morgenstern! Ilan has experienced such a spectacular orchestral and solo playing career. He has subbed with numerous top orchestras across the United States and even overseas in Israel such as Israel Philharmonic, Philadelphia Orchestra, Atlanta Symphony, Detroit Symphony, and many more. He has won many awards from internationally renowned competitions including the Jeju International Brass and Percussion Competition, Zellmer-Minnesota Orchestra Competition, and the National Repertory Orchestra's Concerto Competition. His official positions in the past include San Antonio Symphony, Houston Grand Opera Orchestra, Jacksonville Symphony, and Kansas City Symphony. Originally from Rehovot, Israel, Ilan has unique stories about his time growing up in Israel, how he eventually moved to the United States for his bachelor's and master's degrees, and continue through his progression as one of the top bass trombonists in North America up until his present day position in the Vancouver Symphony. -- Transition Music #1: Ballade for Bass Trombone Strings and Harp, Eric Ewazen, featuring Ilan Morgenstern, Rachel Ferris and the San Antonio Symphony Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

Continuing on with the second half of season 4, our guest today is Dr. Joshua Bynum, Professor of Trombone at the University of Georgia (Athens). We have a new record breaker set with this one as this is now the longest episode we have done so far, and it is absolutely full of truly incredible information and wisdom, for all ages, especially those who are getting into the collegiate teaching world. Dr. Bynum has had phenomenal teachings and pedagogy throughout his college years studying at Jacksonville State University, Temple University, and the University of Iowa. He is recognized as a great trombone professor and trombone player, giving clinics and performances at the Eastern Trombone Workshop, International Trombone Festival, Georgia Music Educators Association Conference, JanFest, and various workshops across the nation. Dr. Bynum's regular duties outside of Professor of Trombone include the Georgia Brass Quintet, the MOD[ular] Contemporary Chamber Ensemble and the Resonant Projection trombone quartet. In this episode we discuss his early life, his thoughts on college football, how he got into the teaching world, and how he has developed a fantastic studio over the years at the University of Georgia. -- Transition Music #1: Georgia On My Mind, Arr. Sammy Nestico, featuring the UGA Trombone Choir Transition Music #2: Reflection & Celebration, David Wilborn, featuring the UGA Trombone Choir Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

It's time for us to begin the second half of season 4 and today for our guest, we have the amazing Myles Blakemore! Myles serves as trombonist in the US Navy Band and is also the Professor of Trombone at Howard University. Prior to those positions he has held a position with New World Symphony, was the inaugural Minnesota Orchestra fellow, and participated in National Repertory Orchestra, Aspen Music Festival and Brevard Music Center. Performing on international stages such as Baltimore Symphony, Dallas Symphony, Malaysian Philharmonic, International Trombone Festival, American Trombone Workshop and many more, he has an incredibly rich story for us today, and its nowhere near the end! We naturally talk about his beginnings as a trombonist, exploring his earliest starts to being a fellow at New World Symphony, and his current life in the US Navy Band. We even discuss his process of making his album that is out now and is entitled "Bach-Ish," we highly recommend checking out after this interview to show your love for this terrific musician! -- Transition Music #1: The Gift of Little G for Trombone and Piano, featuring Myles Blakemore Transition Music #2: Hommage a Bach pour Trombone et Piano, featuring Myles Blakemore Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

Dive into an honest conversation about relationships where everything fits perfectly—except for one crucial aspect: intimacy. Join us in this episode as we candidly explore the reality of such situations, offering insights into ways to improve them and the potential paths to instigate significant changes. In addition to this crucial topic, we delve into our renowned Social Media Poll alongside discussions on Sports, Finance, and Housing. Buckle up and enjoy the ride with us! Thank you for tuning in to Gio's Passion! Ensure you never miss an episode—rate, follow, and subscribe on all major podcast platforms, including Spotify. Don't overlook the bell icon for instant notifications about our latest releases. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM as we strive to hit 2000 subscribers and followers; we're currently at 1061. Let's amplify Gio's Passion and Gio's Passion Posse together! Connect with us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ YouTube Link: https://bit.ly/38u5sFR This episode is proudly sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com. Join Robinhood using my link https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 for both of us to receive free stocks! Interested in being interviewed? Drop a message regarding your topic, business, or idea at https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message. Music Credits: Intro Music: "Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version" by FVMELESS Transition Music: "The Body Instrumental Version" by Davis Absolute Transition Music: "FlutesWillChill" by Kicktracks Transition Music: "Rising-of-the-sun" by borrtex Transition Music: "HavanaSunset" by MatanGovAri Transition Music: "Coeur-dalene" by pete-james-johnson Outro Music: "Juno" by OTNO --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

It's time for our mid-season finale and today for our guest, we have one of the greatest bass trombonists out there, Mr. George Curran! Mr. Curran became the bass trombonist of the New York Philharmonic in 2013 and prior to that he was a member of Atlanta Symphony, and a fellow with the New World Symphony. Due to his terrific personality and incredible skills on the trombone, he has performed with numerous orchestras such as the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit, Hong Kong Philharmonic, and many more. In addition to his impressive orchestral career, Mr. Curran is a renowned soloist performing solos in two International Trombone Festivals, being featured for the United States Air Force Band, and even the Jeju International Wind Ensemble Festival in South Korea. With such a great resume and history in the trombone world, we get right down to how he got into music by diving into the story of how he quit engineering to pursue music, how he transitioned from euphonium to bass trombone, how his orchestral career has progressed through the years and of course, we hit him with some rapid fire questions resulting in one of the most controversial responses yet! Fun Fact: When I (Darien) was first trying to start this Podcast with Lawson, I was studying with Mr. Curran at the time and asked him if this podcast was a good idea and how we should go about it. He supported the idea fully and told me how to reach out to all these wonderful musicians for these interviews! Without Mr. Curran's support and advice, this Podcast wouldn't have been possible! -- Transition Music #1: Barnacle Bill, Steven Frank, United States Air Force Band featuring George Curran  Transition Music #2: Rolling Thunder March, Henry Fillmore, Schwob Wind Ensemble featuring George Curran Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

For our third episode this season, we have a near record breaker with this interview being our second longest interview yet! But it is absolutely nothing short of great stories, great laughs, and incredible inspiration from one of the biggest trombonists in the music industry, Alex Iles. Mr. Iles has enjoyed a varied and successful career in numerous musical settings performing in the musically diverse area of the Southern California freelance performing and recording community. As a very in-demand performer, recording artist and educator he has performed/recorded with Zubin Mehta, Hans Zimmer, Michael Giacchino, The Tonight Show, Danny Elfman, John Williams, Paul McCartney, Fallout Boy, Prince, and many jazz artists/bands such as Woody Herman, Maynard Ferguson, Bob Florence's Limited Edition and even the Gordon Goodwin Big Phat Band. With such an incredible musical career in the jazz world, orchestral world, and recording world, Mr. Iles talks about his present projects, his upbringing in music and the interesting approach of how he learned to improve as a musician, and we of course hit him with some rapid fire questions to find out who the real Alex Iles is! By the way, look up his page, I guarantee if you have watched any movies in the past 20 years, he's recorded for it! -- Transition Music #1: Remembering, Dave Slonaker, Alex Iles Transition Music #2: Count Bubba, Gordon Goodwind's Big Phat Band Instagram: @8thposition @dbaldwin903 @_mehurst_

Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1- Intro 2- Crypto Crash. 3- Sports News. 4- Finance. 5- The Housing Market. 6- Outtro   Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 974. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com My Robinhood Link-If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music-Stay-Strong by I am daylight 3-Transition Music- rising-of-the-sun by borrtex 4- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 5-coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 6-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics –   1- Intro 2- Summer Lovin. 3- Sports News. 4- Finance. 5- The Housing Market. 6- Outtro   Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 961. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com My Robinhood Link- If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music-Stay-Strong by I am daylight 3-Transition Music- rising-of-the-sun by borrtex 4- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 5-coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 6-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1- Intro 2- Attention Whore. 3- Sports News. 4- Finance. 5- The Housing Market. 6- Outtro   Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at ⁠GIOSPASSION.COM I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 929. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com My Robinhood Link- If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music- Stay-Strong by I am daylight 3-Transition Music- rising-of-the-sun by borrtex 4- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 5-coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 6-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics –  1- Intro 2- Fake Friends & People. 3- Social Media Poll. 4- Sports News. 5- Finance. 6- The Housing Market. 7- Outtro Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at ⁠⁠GIOSPASSION.COM I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 845. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Gio's Passion 2023 Motivational Video- https://youtu.be/ZSBgorP-9ek Steve Harvey Motivational Video- https://youtu.be/WYR-gxVcg6s Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com My Robinhood Link- If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music- Stay-Strong by I am daylight 3- Transition Music-2-(Side 2- FlutesWillChill by Kicktracks) 4-Transition Music- rising-of-the-sun by borrtex 5- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 6-coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 7-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Callie is back from surgery and fought through the pain to be with us today! That's how much she loves y'all!We talk to Matt Hildreth, Executive Director of Rural Organizing (RuralOrganizing.org) to discuss the progressive road map to rebuild a rural America that is empowered, thriving, and equitable. RuralOrganizing.org is committed to pursuing creativity, equity, and justice at all organizational levels and throughout all programs. Plus, we talk about Kirk Cameron's library hissy fit in Tennessee that led to a library director getting canned, teeing us up for our list of 5 wildly unhinged things the Left Behind star has done/saidAND!  We give an impassioned rant about the absurd notion presented by Ben Shapiro that school lunches don't have any meaningful impact on solving child hunger (spoiler: he is woefully incorrect).  Rural Organizing linkshttps://ruralorganizing.org/Weekly Skews (mentioned in the interview) https://weeklyskews.com/HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:01 - Addressing the shooting in Nashville05:00 - Checking in with Callie08:00 - List Background: Kirk Cameron a "growing pain" in the liturgical ass15:43 - Weekly List: 5 Unhinged Things Kirk Cameron has said/done34:31 - Interview with Matt Hildreth01:10:40  - Under-the-radar: Ben Shapiro's factless take on school lunch-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Support the show

Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1- Intro 2- Rude lady ruins a secret. 3- Sports News. 4- Finance. 5- The Housing Market. 6- Outtro Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at ⁠⁠GIOSPASSION.COM I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 835. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & GIOSPASSION.COM My Robinhood Link- If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. https://anchor.fm/giospassion/message Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music-Stay-Strong by iamdaylight 3-Transition Music- rising-of-the-sun by borrtex 4- Havana Sunset by MatanGovAri 5-coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 6-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Tennessee's legislature banned drag performances, and many other states may follow suit.  We discuss this ridiculous and harmful law by giving you some background, then provide several examples of things that could also be banned in Tennessee because of this stupid law.Plus, we have an interview with the absolutely phenomenal Appalachian TikTok papaw phenom, Andi Marie Tillman!Andi's LinksIG: https://www.instagram.com/andimariere/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andimariereYoutube:  youtube.com /@andimarie7554  Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/mrsxeusvHELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:40 - Man Scout pitty popcorn purchasing05:45 - List Background: TN's new anti-drag law15:00 - Weekly List: Things that could be banned now in TN32:25 - Announcements: Patreon Limericks!34:44 - Interview with Andi Marie Tillman01:06:00  - Under-the-radar: Norfolk Southern Disaster update -----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Support the show

Callie and Chuck talk to Dr. Cameron D. Lippard, chair of Appalachian State University's Sociology department and an expert on the history of moonshining! PLUS! Ranting on D.C. pundits claiming rural bonafides, a list of Appalachian outlaws, and an update on the Norfolk Southern disaster in East Palestine, OH.HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:21 - Intro - Congrats to Anderson Clayton05:30 - Intro II - D.C. pundits who want to stake rural claims15:16 - Weekly List: Appalachian Outlaws33:54 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)35:47 - Interview with Dr. Cameron Lippard on Moonshine01:24:59: Under-the-Radar: Update on East Palestine Chemical spillMore about Dr. Lippard: https://soc.appstate.edu/faculty-staff/cameron-lippard-phdTrain derailment link: https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Support the show

Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1-Intro 2- Cancelled for Cuffing Feelings 3- Red Flags and Warning Signs 4- Mental Health Checkup 5- Outtro Thank you so much for listening to Gio's Passion. Make sure to rate and follow us everywhere you listen to podcasts, including Spotify. And don't forget to to click the bell icon, for New episode notifications. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at ⁠⁠GIOSPASSION.COM I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 796. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com My Robinhood Link-If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version by FVMELESS 2-Transition Music- The Body- Instrumental Version by DavisAbsolute 3- Transition Music- Strong by I am daylight 4- Transition Music- coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 5-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Callie and Chuck talk to  Randy Kraft and Dr. Bill Collins with Volunteers of America's Healthy Mouth, Healthy You Campaign to discuss oral health, dew mouth, and more. Learn more: https://healthymouthhealthyyouky.org/Join Appalachian Bookshelf! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfdtzaxJbgaU-VqUktHWF9YdzbBFf-yb-0_t2uLxB_Bb7k7bA/viewform?usp=sf_linkHELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:36- Intro -Potato Candy and New Baby06:36- Weekly List: Healthcare deserts in Appalachia27:46 - Announcements - Patreon Limericks!30:45 - Interview about Dew Mouth and Dental Health01:05:25 - Under the Radar: Legislature madness-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/Support the show

Lethe and Mimir discuss a new Mario game and adult happy meals. Also, the return of Madlibs. Mario & Rabbids MadTakes Adult Happy Meals You can contact us through email at wftnpodcast@gmail.com, on Instagram @we_forgot_the_username, or on Twitter @Crazy_Booknerd Intro Music by WolfBeat from Pixabay. Transition Music by Music For Videos from Pixabay. Weird News Intro Music by Centyś from Pixabay. Background Music by hasenchat, mariokhol, QubeSounds, REDproductions, and Katzen_Tupad from Pixabay.

Wow, the third episode of this season is finally out! Lethe's so good at consistently uploading podcast episodes. This week, Lethe and Mimir discuss a new superhero movie scheduled to release in the distant future, and a creepy self-driving car that makes eye contact with pedestrians. Mimir tests Lethe with the Moral Machine. Deadpool Teasers Moral Machine Eye Contact Car You can contact us through email at wftnpodcast@gmail.com, on Instagram @we_forgot_the_username, or on Twitter @Crazy_Booknerd Intro Music by WolfBeat from Pixabay. Transition Music by Music For Videos from Pixabay. Weird News Intro Music by Centyś from Pixabay. Background Music by sscheidl, HumanoideVFX, ipsyduckk, Musicalmix2020, Electronic-Senses, QubeSounds, Playsounds, REDproductions, Musictown, and lemonmusicstudio from Pixabay. Sound effects by leenn792, SamsterBirdies, and jacksonacademyashmore from Pixabay, and from freesoundeffects.com.

Julia was planning for a peaceful home birth with her third baby, but plans changed when her labor began at 34 weeks gestation. Even though she gave birth in an environment she didn't want, she did an amazing job advocating for herself and her baby during his subsequent NICU stay, and medical complications. She truly believes that the circumstances around his birth were exactly as they should be. I am always amazed at the miracles that happen when we honor our maternal intuition, and listen to guidance from our babies. This story is perfectly illustrative of that truth! If you love the podcast, please consider supporting the show! www.patreon.com/healingbirth I love to hear from you! Send me a note at www.healingbirth.net Transition Music by: @jaysomeday

Send me a recorded message. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1-Intro 2- Hypergamy & Feminism 3- POLL RESULTS: From GIOSPASSION Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat and Twitter 4- Sports- The World Series, NFL, College Football & Hockey Standings 5- Finance- Fuel, Bitcoin & The Stock Market 6- Housing- Declining Home Sales and Mortgages. 7- Outtro Don't forget to follow and subscribe to my Podcast no matter what listening platform you're on. I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 706. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! ******************************************************************************* Check out my Social Media and My Blog Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com ********************************************************************************* My Robinhood Link-If you join PLEASE us my Link we both get free stocks!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. ********************************************************************************* Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music- Stay Strong by Make Room for the Kids. 3- Transition Music- FlutesWillChill by Kicktracks 4- Transition Music- Rising-of-the-sun by Borrtex 5-Transition Music- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 6- Transition Music coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 7- (Techno-Slow) Tundra by TomasNovoa Artlist 8-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

On this special bonus episode, we talk all things Kentucky Politics with Robert Kahne of My Old Kentucky Podcast https://myoldkentuckypodcast.podbean.com/We also feature a couple of under-the-radar Kentucky elections in the region and beyond that you should know about including Conor Halbleib (U.S. House candidate for KY 5th District) and Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson!Conor Halbleib: https://conor4kentucky.com/Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson: https://www.cherlynnstevenson.com/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/Transition Music: Clover Lynn https://linktr.ee/hillbillygothicc-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps01:25 - Interview with Robert Kahne51:33- Interview with Conor Halbleib (U.S. House KY 5th District)01:16:40 - Interview with Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson (KY House 88th District)-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersZBiotics Pre-Alcohol ProbioticBreaks down the byproduct of alcohol responsible for rough mornings after drinking.BrandSupport the show

On this special bonus episode, we talk all things Kentucky Politics with Robert Kahne of My Old Kentucky Podcast https://myoldkentuckypodcast.podbean.com/We also feature a couple of under-the-radar Kentucky elections in the region and beyond that you should know about including Conor Halbleib (U.S. House candidate for KY 5th District) and Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson!Conor Halbleib: https://conor4kentucky.com/Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson: https://www.cherlynnstevenson.com/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/Transition Music: Clover Lynn https://linktr.ee/hillbillygothicc-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps01:25 - Interview with Robert Kahne51:33- Interview with Conor Halbleib (U.S. House KY 5th District)01:16:40 - Interview with Rep. Cherlynn Stevenson (KY House 88th District)-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "BANJO" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersThe Enthusiasm ProjectDeep dives exploring the world of what it means to be an independent creator.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Click the Link to Send me a recorded message. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1-Intro 2- Too Loud for an Irish Pub. 3- Cuffing Season Options 4- POLL RESULTS: From GIOSPASSION Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat and Twitter 5- Sports- Baseball Playoffs, The NFL and College Football results. 6- Fuel, Bitcoin & The Stock Market. 7- The State of Housing and Mortgages. 8- Outtro Don't forget to follow and subscribe to my Podcast no matter what listening platform you're on. I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 693. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! ******************************************************************************* Check out my Social Media Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com ********************************************************************************* My Robinhood Link-If you join PLEASE us my Link we both win!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. ********************************************************************************* Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2- Transition Music- in-viaggio-verso-lalba by andrea-musci 3-Transition Music- Stay Strong by Make Room for the Kids. 4- Transition Music- FlutesWillChill by Kicktracks 5- Transition Music- Rising-of-the-sun by Borrtex 6-Transition Music- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 7- Transition Music coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 8- (Techno-Slow) Tundra by TomasNovoa Artlist 9-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

This week, we discuss the newest addition to the Assassin's Creed series, the strange world of SCP's, and some World Records that have recently been broken. We also spend way too long debating what drink should be the new water. Assassin's Creed: Mirage SCP 3114: Skeleton's Skin SCP 3008: Infinite Ikea Longest Hopscotch Old Hopscotch Record Reverse Mile Most Pubs You can contact us through email at wftnpodcast@gmail.com, on Instagram @we_forgot_the_username, or on Twitter @Crazy_Booknerd Intro Music by Greenleaf from Pixabay. Transition Music by Music For Videos from Pixabay. Weird News Intro Music by Centyś from Pixabay. Background Music by tobylane, NaturesEye, astrofreq, ipsyduckk, and SoundsForYou from Pixabay. Sound Effects from Pixabay.

What the hell is up? Welcome to Season Three: ROOTED. In today's episode, I introduce this idea of ROOTED and share how I'm staying rooted, while not having any geographic roots at all. Stay Rooted with me? Featured poem, Love after Love by Derek Walcott: https://allpoetry.com/love-after-love Follow my podgram: @whatthehellisuppod Featured Music: https://spyglass.bandcamp.com/ @spyglass.music Pod Logo: @caltheipadkid Intro & Transition Music: @afterspacemusic

We're back with the first episode of season 4!

Send me a recorded message. Join Gio's Passion Posse and the GPP at GIOSPASSION.COM Today's GPP (Gio's Passion Posse) Topics – 1-Intro 2- Jack The Host Update 3- The end of Hot Girl Summer. 4- POLL RESULTS: From GIOSPASSION Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat and Twitter 5- Sports- Baseball Standings & NFL and College Football results. 6- Fuel, Bitcoin & The Stock Market. 7- The State of Housing and Mortgages. 8- Outtro Don't forget to follow and subscribe to my Podcast no matter what listening platform you're on. I'm working on getting 2000 Subscribers and followers. I currently have 669. Let's build Gio's Passion and the Gio's Passion Posse! ******************************************************************************* Check out my Social Media and My Blog Twitter- https://twitter.com/giospassion Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/GiosPassion Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/giospassion/ You Tube Link- https://bit.ly/38u5sFR Sponsored by GIO'S PASSION & giospassion.com ********************************************************************************* My Robinhood Link-If you join PLEASE us my Link we both win!!! https://join.robinhood.com/jackk-f28697e2 **If you'd like to be interviewed, message me on the topic, business or idea you have** Send me a recorded message. ********************************************************************************* Music Credits 1-Intro Music- Drop the Roof - Remix - Instrumental Version-FVMELESS 2-Transition Music- Stay Strong by Make Room for the Kids. 3- Transition Music-FlutesWillChill by Kicktracks 4- Transition Music- Rising-of-the-sun by Borrtex 5-Transition Music- Havana Sunset by Matan Gov Ari 6- Transition Music coeur-dalene by pete-james-johnson 7- Transition Music- in-viaggio-verso-lalba by andrea-musci 8-Outro Music- Juno by OTNO ENJOY THE RIDE!!! Check out my latest Podcast Episode! It's ready for your commuting drive! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giospassion/support

Callie and Chuck talk to Rusty Williams, a cannabis advocate and candidate for the West Virginia House of Delegates 59th District (Charleston, Nitro area).  Learn more about Rusty's campaign: https://www.rustywilliamswv.com/PLUS! we run through the racist history of "Reefer Madness" and its Chief Racism Officer Henry J. Anslinger,AND we talk about why TN lawmakers are concerned about litter boxes and furriesCHECK OUT OUR NEW MERCH! https://www.teepublic.com/stores/appodlachiaVanishing Postcards: https://www.vanishingpostcards.com/Help support Kendra and Read Appalachiahttps://www.readappalachia.com/support-us-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:45 - Big Ideas Fest Recap03:51- Tn republicans think kids want litter boxes in classrooms11:53 - The #1 worst person on Weed from Appalachia22:40 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)25:49 - Interview with Rusty Williams01:15:00 - Reading our new reviews-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "APPODLACHIA" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersBuzzsprout — Easiest Way to Start a PodcastStart podcasting today. It's the easiest way to start, grow, and monetize your podcast.BrandSupport the show

What? You must be confused. This episode isn't late. Were you thinking of a different podcast? Or maybe you just showed up early to listen? No, this episode isn't late. We're never late. . . Directioner Wiki Star Wars Fan Wiki Bandwagon Sports Fan Wiki Ducktective You can contact us through email at wftnpodcast@gmail.com, on Instagram @we_forgot_the_username, or on Twitter @Crazy_Booknerd Intro Music by John_Sib from Pixabay. Transition Music from Pixabay. Weird News Intro Music by Centyś from Pixabay. Background Music by HumanoideVFX, younoise, lemonmusicstudio, adhimahadi, and kaazoom from Pixabay. Sound Effects from Pixabay.

Callie talks to Whitney - aka the Appalachian Forager - about all things foraging.  And Chuck and Callie discuss the Top 4 billionaires/millionaires behaving badly in Appalachia. PLUS, we hear from Three Sheets to the Wind and the Local HoneysCHECK OUT OUR NEW MERCH! https://www.teepublic.com/stores/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps03:38 - Our plans to cover local under-the-radar elections05:00- 4 billionaires/millionaires behaving badly in Appalachia 31:35 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)33:40 - Interview with the Appalachian Forager01:05:16 - Three Sheets to the Wind and the Local Honeys on EKY flood relief and supporting local artists 01:36:00 - Reading our new reviews Whitney's Links: Website: https://appalachianforager.com/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@appalachian_foragerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/appalachian_foragerLocal Honeys/Three Sheets LinksSupport Flood Relief: https://secure.everyaction.com/OML6CQi5H06RMoKDml1bjQ2Live at Cathedral Domain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKNZ6IS_JKwThree Sheets to the Wind: https://bit.ly/3RUlwEAThe Local Honeys:  http://www.thelocalhoneys.com/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "APPODLACHIA" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/-----------------------------------------------Follow us!-Instagram: http://instagram.com/appodlachia-Twitter: http://twitter.com/appodlachia-Facebook: http://facebook.com/appodlachia-TikTok:  http://tiktok.com/appodlachia-Discord: https://discord.gg/czgUeWzvhT-----------------------------------------------None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersThe Book PileWant to sound smart? Two comics discuss a book every Monday so you can pretend you read.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Callie talks to Rabbi Joe Blair of Temple Israel in Charleston, WV about the Appalachian experience in jewish placemaking and building broader religious communities.  Meanwhile, Callie and Chuck drop their Top 8 delightfully weird Appalachian destinations-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps01:25 - Minor League Scandal06:13 - Student Loan news16:30 - 8 delightfully weird Appalachian destinations52:00 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)54:00 -  Interview with Rabbi Joe-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "APPODLACHIA" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Follow us!-Instagram: http://instagram.com/appodlachia-Twitter: http://twitter.com/appodlachia-Facebook: http://facebook.com/appodlachia-TikTok:  http://tiktok.com/appodlachia-Discord: https://discord.gg/czgUeWzvhT-----------------------------------------------None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersThe Jordan Harbinger ShowApple Best of 2018-Learn the stories, secrets & skills of the world's most fascinating pplListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Callie and Chuck talk to Ohio Federation of Teachers president Melissa Cropper about the harmful laws going into effect that target teachers in Ohio and across the country. ALSO, Callie and Chuck give the top 7 cringiest and quackiest things Dr. Oz has said or done, Chuck wages war against terrible minor league baseball names, and the two discuss JD Vance's sham non-profit and its connections to big pharma. -----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps01:39 - We need a cryptid baseball team07:29 - Top 7 Cringiest/Quackiest things Dr. Oz has said32:50 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)36:56 -  Interview with Ohio AFT President Melissa Cropper01:01:35 - Under-the-Radar in Appalachia:  JD Vance's sham non-profit &  Purdue Pharma-----------------------------------------------Check out our fantastic sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "APPODLACHIA" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/-----------------------------------------------Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Follow us!-Instagram: http://instagram.com/appodlachia-Twitter: http://twitter.com/appodlachia-Facebook: http://facebook.com/appodlachia-TikTok:  http://tiktok.com/appodlachia-Discord: https://discord.gg/czgUeWzvhT-----------------------------------------------None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or Callie's employersWomen in Tech PodcastInspiring women in tech share their stories on how they got to where they are today.Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify The Quarterback DadCastI'm Casey Jacox….the host of the Quarterback Dadcast. I want to take a minute to tell...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

[PLEASE ignore the mic jostling at the beginning of the episode, and apologies for that!]Callie and Chuck talk to award-winning novelist and Appalachian literary legend, Silas House, this week.ALSO, Callie and Chuck share their top 5 Appalachian dinner guests and talk about the senators who voted against capping the price of insulin -----------------------------------------------PRE-ORDER SILAS HOUSE'S NEW BOOK LARK ASCENDINGhttps://bit.ly/3c33rFm-----------------------------------------------EKY FLOODING RESOURCES:GoFundMe for Isom IGA: https://gofund.me/a6ba2916EKY Mutual Aid Fund: https://bit.ly/3boV4U7Appalshop Latest News & Resources: https://bit.ly/3ORc9n-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps00:59 - Top 5 Appalachian Dinner Guests21:48 - Announcements (Patreon Limericks!)23:27 -  Interview with Silas House54:27 - Under-the-Radar in Appalachia: Insulin Cap villains-----------------------------------------------Check out our wonderful sponsors!CBD and THC gummies & more: (use code "APPODLACHIA" for 25% off) http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/Our website is great, and it's because Starry Eyes Media built it.  Yours can be too! https://www.starryeyes.media/Transition Music: "Leave it to Me" by Corduroy Brownhttps://corduroy-brown.com/-----------------------------------------------Follow us!-Instagram: http://instagram.com/appodlachia-Twitter: http://twitter.com/appodlachia-Facebook: http://facebook.com/appodlachia-TikTok:  http://tiktok.com/appodlachia-Discord: https://discord.gg/czgUeWzvhT-----------------------------------------------None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of eitherThe Short Box: A Comic Book Podcast Join four lifelong friends for entertaining discussions about comics and culture.Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify The Proffitt PodcastThe podcast that shows you tips & strategies to create content with confidence!Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Callie and Chuck talk masculinity this week!  Chuck discusses growing up and having to struggle with not being considered "masculine" and Callie discusses her experiences with it and especially with toxic masculinity. We also have Curren Sheldon, an Academy-Award nominated and Emmy-winning filmmaker and photographer based in Knoxville, Tennessee who produced the series "Mountain Grown" for 100 Days in Appalachia, which details the stories of male teens in Appalachia.  We highly encourage you to check it out. https://www.100daysinappalachia.com/mountain-grown/ ALSO, Callie and Chuck discuss Jimmy Buffett lifestyle and the Joe Manchin inflation reduction act, and how it impacts Appalachia. -----------------------------------------------FLOODING RESOURCES: GoFundMe for Isom IGA: https://gofund.me/a6ba2916EKY Mutual Aid Fund: https://bit.ly/3boV4U7Appalshop Latest News & Resources: https://bit.ly/3ORc9n-----------------------------------------------HELP SUPPORT APPODLACHIA!Join our Patreon, for as little as $1/month, and access live events, weekly exclusives, bonus series, and more http://www.patreon.com/appodlachia-----------------------------------------------Timestamps02:40 - Intro: Jimmy Buffett

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This was nearly an episode about Lesbian Vampire Killers. Instead, we we have chosen the 1970s vampiric gothic horror masterpiece, The Vampire Lovers starring Ingrid Pitt and Peter Cushing. Is it actually scary? Probably not, but vampires are inherently queer and this one is actually a lesbian! This is a queer movie watch party for your ears, hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we take a look at the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to comedy classics - Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things queer on the silver screen! New episodes every other Thursday. Find Us on the Internet Super Highway - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd Transcript [Intro Music] JAZZA:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast, celebrating the best. ROWAN:  And worst. JAZZA:  In LGBTQ+ cinema. One glorious genre at a time. ROWAN:  I'm Rowan Ellis. JAZZA:  And I'm Jazza John. Each episode we discuss a movie from a different genre of cinema. ROWAN:  This episode, genre is-- ROWAN & JAZZA:  Queer Horror..  JAZZA:  [vampire laugh] ROWAN:  Thanks, Jazza. JAZZA:  But, before we dive into this week's episode, Rowan, what's the gayest thing you've done since we last spoke? ROWAN:  Well, this is actually something that I've wanted to do for a long time. But every time I've tried to do it, there's been a It's not been available for me. And that is volunteering for a Queer Organization specifically for a Queer Youth Group or kind of youth mentoring organization, something like that. And there's, sadly not a lot of them in London, and a lot of them kind of were at capacity or weren't doing their services because of COVID. But at the beginning of the year, I applied and I've just found out today that I've been accepted, so I'm very excited. I've got to do some training, obviously, very soon, but yeah, I'm gonna get to do some mentoring. JAZZA:  It's gonna be so cool. And you're officially becoming a Queer Elder-- ROWAN:  Oh my God. JAZZA:  --soon anyway, aren't you? ROWAN:  Yeah, I am. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  In a week's time, I will indeed hit 30 and therefore-- JAZZA:  Good then. ROWAN:  --become an OAP. JAZZA:  Uh-huh. As a as a cis gay man, I stopped aging at 24. So let me know-- ROWAN:  You never will reach that, yeah, I'll let you know what it's like. JAZZA:  Awesome. Thank you so much. ROWAN:  And Jazza, what's the gayest thing that you've done since we last spoke? JAZZA:  So recently, the UK started lifting lockdown restrictions, right? And we were able to have familiar relations again. I had relations with an individual and was able for the first time to actually complete a full session of prep. Do you know how prep works? ROWAN:  I was wondering where you were going with it. I was like, complete a full session of what? JAZZA:  Yeah, it's not session-- ROWAN:  --[2:00] I was like a full, a full session of-- JAZZA:  A full of [2:03] like a-- ROWAN:  --[2:03] relations, you able to what? JAZZA:  I full cycle, a full cycle of [2:06]. ROWAN:  Pretty you. JAZZA:  So I do have that you're able to get it on the NHS now. And it is for anybody who doesn't know a medication that prevents you from getting HIV. And how it works is you're meant to take it two hours before you have relations. And then afterwards you've had relations in order to properly protect yourself. In the past, I have only ever prepared to have the relations and never had to complete the whole cycle of prep. ROWAN:  Oh my God, that's the saddest thing I've ever heard, that's hilarious. JAZZA:  Is it. ROWAN:  You know what, that was excellent. That was a very good-- JAZZA:  Thank you-- ROWAN:  --gayest thing I've done since [2:42]-- JAZZA:  Yeah yeah yeah. I feel like an actual adult now. ROWAN:  Look at you. JAZZA:  [2:45] yeah, look at me. Man in my 30s, finally able to look after myself. ROWAN:  Full disclosure to everyone listening, Jazza as he said that grinning like a little schoolboy does have a tiny gnome figurine right behi--as he said, I felt like such an adult. There is a tiny gnome figurine right behind him. JAZZA:  I'm an adult who collects plushies and plays D&D like these are-- ROWAN:  You know what, fair enough. JAZZA:  Yeah, these are not things that are mutually exclusive. ROWAN:  Yeah, you know what, you're right. [3:09] [Transition Music] JAZZA:  The film we have chosen for today is the 1970s vampiric Gothic horror masterpiece. The Vampire Lovers, starring Ingrid Pitt, and the absolute legendary Peter Cushing. So without further ado, let's start nibbling away at Roy Ward Baker's, The Vampire Lovers. ROWAN & JAZZA:  [trumpet sound] ROWAN:  Are you anticipating some kind of like dramatic horror music [3:47]-- JAZZA:  Yeah, in my head like it's the the title card. ROWAN:  Excellent. JAZZA:  I actually, vampire [3:53]. ROWAN:  I know we just said that we were going to go straight into talking about the history of the genre and the-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --context of it. But I just also need everyone to know not to make this the call out Jazza Podcast. But-- JAZZA:  It it already is. ROWAN:  --I came up with a whole list of, honestly, iconic wonderful, queer horror movies have come out. Especially some in the last few years. Because we have had an absolute amazing blossoming of queer horror within the last few years. I came up with an amazing shortlist. Jazza, came up with a movie that I immediately vetoed. That is the movie lesbian Vampire Killers. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. Which has James-- ROWAN:  Which has-- JAZZA:  Corden in it. ROWAN:  --James Corden in it, is therefore I hate crime. And I immediately vetoed it. And then the list Jazza went through the list and it. Basically the secret came out that Jazza is a massive baby. And essentially would just was not able to watch an actual horror movie. And so-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --we have watched this movie, which is, horror in the most technical sense of the word. JAZZA:  No, but it's like, it's it's a lot of foundations of horror, like, like it's a classic Gothic, lots of dark cobwebby castles. Lots of screen Queens, a couple of screen Kings. ROWAN:  Yes, every element of horror except the bit where it's scary, which I think suited Jazza just fine. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  I think that was-- JAZZA:  100% ROWAN:  --that was, I think he's very pleased with himself that he managed to get this. Because the other, we watched some of the trailers together. And there were a few trailers that Jazz stopped halfway through and went, "Oh, yes, I think we get the idea." And then, and it was very obvious why. JAZZA:  Apparently, I'm quite good to watch horror movies with. Just know that if you ever watch a a legitimate horror movie with me, that is actually scary. I'm not having a nice time. And you know what, in this podcast that I am lucky enough to have with you, Rowan. I want to have a nice time, you know? And I don't think that's too much to ask. ROWAN:  Okay, well, when we connect, spend actual time together, maybe I'll just I'll be like, oh, yeah, let's watch this nice little, like animated children's movie and then just slip in a horror movie instead. You could just hold onto my hand. JAZZA:  Maybe next year's Halloween, we can have a special episode again. And you couldn't actually scare the hell out of me, it will be good. ROWAN:  Yeah, if everyone could just audio clip Jazza, just then essentially promising on his on his firstborn son that he will watch a horror movie with me, that'd be great. So I know that Jazza, you've done normally when we watch these movies, we do a little bit of context. And then we talk to each other and go, oh, wait, shit, did we do the same context maybe hopefully, we looked up different bits of trivia otherwise is going to be very boring for both of us. And luckily, we had kind of done a mix. So I know that you've looked up Hammer Horror, which is the kind of studio and very specific niche genre that this particular movie is in. So would you like to tell me about it? I'm ready to learn.  JAZZA:  Yeah yeah yeah, so a Hammer, also great name, Hammer Productions. They were a production house in the UK, who were famous for bringing a lot of classic horror from the black and white era of the 1930s into color. We making a lot of the classics like Frankenstein, Dracula, The Mummy, etc. Remaking them into color movies for audiences throughout the 1950s and 60s. The other thing that they were very well known for doing is having a butt ton of sequels for everything. So this particular movie that we're doing. The Vampire Lovers, has two sequels to it. Lust for a Vampire, released the following year, and then Twins of Evil. Which as far as I have been able to find out on the Wikipedia page was just kind of like the same plot two more times, but with different actors. But to be fair, if the punters are going to go and watch it, then why not right? The reason the The Vampire Lovers itself is quite interesting, and is that a little bit of a tipping point in terms of cinema, is because it was towards the end of the strictness of the Hays Code in the US, which is a piece of us legislation that was very tight collared, around the depictions of sex, nudity, deviant acts like homosexuality. ROWAN:  I'm gonna be annoying and interrupt here is the Queer Film Historian bitch on this podcast. Because I think it's genuinely interesting. It wasn't technically a piece of like Governmental Legislation as such, it was a code that was self-imposed by Hollywood on itself, specifically, because they thought that the government will be even more harsh, so they were like, oh, shit, like, let let's just, we promise no titties, no gays, no, no-- JAZZA: No titties, no gays. ROWAN:  [8:39] for gays, we promise. And and so yeah, no, it's it's a, it's one of those kind of really interesting things actually happened with the comic, comic books as well, the Comic Code Authority happened as well. JAZZA:  Mmm. ROWAN:  A lot of industries at the time were like, well, I guess if someone's gonna do it, it might as well be us, to ourselves. JAZZA:   Uh-hmm. Yeah yeah yeah. And this was kind of like, towards the end of the prolific nature of the Hays Code. And it was still actually really hard to get this past the censors. The Vampire Lovers, which obviously, is pretty gay. There's naked ladies and there's titties absolutely everywhere. And there's also a man who dies while he's having a piss. So it's not really kind of like the highest brow of entertainment. But the reason that they were able to get especially the the gay shit through the censors, even at the time as they were expanding. Was because it was based on the original source text from the 1800s, Carmilla, which is like a classic text. And because it's seen as a classic text, they were like, actually, this is basically Shakespeare. I don't think anybody actually said that. But essentially, that's how they managed to to get around it. ROWAN:  Just being true to the original. JAZZA:  Yeah yeah, exactly. But yeah, we're watching a a movie about lesbian vampires. Of course, there's going to be a little bit of a camper and Gothic horror is always just a little bit of camp. But it's also a really interesting moment in kind of like the attitudes of prudishness, that were in Hollywood throughout the 50s and 60s. ROWAN:  Absolutely. I do, I do agree with you like Hammer Horror is just camp, it's just campy. Like it just has that energy to it in general-- JAZZA:  It is now. ROWAN:  --and I think as well like well, we'll talk about this when we're actually talking about the plot and the performances and stuff in the next section. But yeah, the acting of the time was not exactly the most based in like realism. And and I think that that style of acting that was popular then I think just is so imbued with camp-- JAZZA:  Uh-huh. ROWAN:  --as you look back on it now. Even if this hadn't had a load of vampires in it, I feel like it still would have felt a little bit-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --kind of queer energy. JAZZA:  A 100%. It reminded me an awful lot of like Ryan Murphy guy. ROWAN:  Oh, yeah. JAZZA:  Which obviously is referential to this era of horror. And I was like, Oh, I 100% understand where all of these references now come from in, like our modern media as well. Rowan, you had, a you also went away and did some of your own research you clever bookworm slash website were around like, vampires, sexuality, all of those things. Would you end up fine, come on, show and tell. ROWAN:  Well, basically, for those for those who don't know about the history of the vampire, it's kind of appears in a lot of different folktales and legends around different places. Just I think the idea of someone who needs to drain other people of their blood, which is very much linked to like, you know, lifeforce in a lot of cultures. It makes sense that there will be kind of mythology around that, and and kind of scary tales, and all that kind of thing. But it kind of didn't necessarily get a kind of literary grounding until the early 1800s. Were John Polidori, wrote The Vampyre, which was actually created kind of as part of the sort of Gothic horror writing contest that also produced, Frankenstein. It was a good, it was a good time that they were having in that rainy manor house. And kind of interestingly, the history of vampires, I think, has not necessarily been, obviously in the mainstream link to queerness. But when you start looking into the history of it, it's a lot of like reading between the lines when it's going on. So, for example, that original text of Vampyre, a lot of people kind of thought that potentially the that kind of central character was based on Lord Byron. There was a bit of a mix up as to who had originally written the tale. And it was attributed Lord Byron originally and then kind of had to be redacted. And so you kind of have this element of like, oh, there's this creeping queerness in there. And that only became like, more intensified when it came to Dracula, which came a bit later. Because again, Bram Stoker, lots of rumors about him being gay, he had a very close relationship with Oscar Wilde. He wrote some frankly, adoring love letters to Walt Whitman, really, really, very gay letters to Walt Whitman. And there are just some quotes that come up in the book that feel very much like they are centered around the kind of repressed, a repressed homosexuality-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --shall we say. A lot of people have pointed out the fact that he basically started to write Dracula very, very soon after Oscar Wilde's trial and conviction. And that there was potentially a link between that and like the anxieties of being this like queer man who was worried about being like, discovered. So obviously, as with much of queer history, it is not provable. But I do think it's very interesting. And it's something a lot of people have have talked about. But yeah, I think vampire stories in general, as well as being kind of horror, obviously have a lot of links to the idea of sexuality, and and sexual anxieties, I guess over the years. JAZZA:  When we're looking at this area as well. It's really difficult to kind of like put the gay label on it. Because it wasn't a term that they used for themselves-- ROWAN:  No. JAZZA:  --either, but we're just kind of trying to view it for our own lens. ROWAN:  Yeah, exactly. So in Dracula, for example, you've got Lucy, the character of Lucy, who's this kind of like symbol of the new woman. So kind of more independent and breaking free of the constraints of society, especially sexual constraints. And so if she sort of gives herself or is compromised by this kind of foreign invader, then she becomes this corrupted figure, which is very, you know, if you read through the lines, metaphorically, it's very much a sort of like fallen woman virginity loss kind of situation. And then yeah, I mean, spoiler alert for Dracula, but she ends up being staked by like, all of the men who she had been pursuing at one point or another during the story, and dies-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --this death that's very, like writhing around and bleeding, and it's very kind of like, you know, symbolically resonant in a lot of ways. So yeah, I think I think that like even if you come to Twilight, or to more modern depictions of vampires, it doesn't necessarily have a Victorians lens of sexuality. It has a modern lens, but it's still feels like it might be commenting in some way. So there's a lot more sort of, in the vampire as the romantic lead for women's or like girls fiction, it becomes much more about a man who needs to control his natural impulses, and that he's able to do it for you. The female love interest. JAZZA:  That's the Twilight stuff isn't? ROWAN:  Exactly. JAZZA:  I'll be honest, I wasn't even I wasn't even making that link in like, I feel like Twilight is such a long time ago now. ROWAN:  Ancient history. JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah. But like, seriously, but yeah, I didn't even make that link of kind of like sexual request-ness. But then I haven't really read, I haven't read any of the Twilight books, I've only seen the movie. So maybe that's why it's not at the front of my mind. ROWAN:  Well, allegedly Stephenie Meyer did come up with the idea from some kind of romantically charged dream that she had. And she is quite from quite a religious background. So I think that the sexual repression and morality element to it is, it's not has not been not commented on by people in the past. So yeah, so I definitely think that the vampire legend and mythology and stuff has always had links to sex in some way and to that kind of forbidden element of sex. And I think that that only gets more apparent when you talk about sex that is genuinely forbidden and taboo in the way that kind of same gender relationships might be. So yeah, it completely makes sense, lesbian vampires completely make sense on a literary level. And it very much is not just a kind of, ohhh, she's sexy, and she's a lesbian, and she's a vampire. It's like, oh, there is actually some kind of literary backing to making this a a thing in your films. JAZZA:  Did you have because I accidentally came across this while I was looking through stuff around the source material for The Vampire Lovers, which is like a a vampire novel that predates Dracula by a couple of decades called Carmilla. About a lesbian female vampire. And apparently she's based on this Hungarian, I believe she's a Princess. She's a fancy person, uhm, called Elizabeth Boothroyd. Have you seen her a bit about her? ROWAN:  If this is who I think it is? Yeah, I think she married into a family and got an absolute ton of land and power from it and use that to allegedly just kill a lot of servant girls, and some minor nobility. JAZZA:  Some set I don't think we have to say allegedly anymore. This was in like the the 15, 16 [16:54]-- ROWAN:  She's not gonna [16:55]-- JAZZA:  [16:56] I think we're gonna get sued by Elizabeth III of Hungary fame, but she apparently killed up to 650 people and there was some people who say that she used to bathe in their blood to maintain like youth? Some of this is urban legends now, and there's some people that say that she inspired because she was from the Kingdom of Hungary. Which at that time included, Slovakia and Romania, which is kind of like the part of the world that is where like, vampiric culture comes from, I guess? And some people even suggest that she inspired Carmilla and Dracula. But yeah, like, it's an interesting part of kind of like also the, the empowered woman as well, which was definitely, I mean, deviant for the time that vampire novels became really, really big in the Victorian era. But certainly for like the 1500-1600s when she was alive, as well. And kind of like the fear and the weariness of the empowered, maybe sexualized women as well. I kind of like themes that run through this type of horror too. ROWAN:  Indeed, without I guess, should we go into talking about the actual movie and how the lesbian vampires sort of displays herself. JAZZA:  Displays herself. ROWAN:  Displays herself in this movie JAZZA:  Sometimes literally displays herself-- ROWAN:  Quite literally. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. [18:15] [Transition Music] [18:15] [ADS] JAZZA:  Dear listener, there's only so many times you can lean on your ability to make a [18:25] gin and tonic. Trust me, I've had the headaches to prove it. Sometimes you need to shake up your drinks trolley, pun intended, and shaker and spoon subscription cocktail box is the perfect way to do that. Each box they send you contains enough ingredients to make three different cocktails with your favorite Spirits. 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Rowan has her Disney and D&D, I have my love of Final Fantasy in the expanse novels. So this podcast is like catnip to us. Dr. Moyer McTeer is the host and as the coolest job description of Astrophysicist and folklorist. Which honestly, has made wondering what I've been doing with my life. Each episode she goes through the how to of fictional world creation, meaning you can apply her findings to any and all creative projects that you yourself are working on. Are you creating a home route for your D&D table? Are you scribbling away on your first Sci-fi novel? Do you find this stuff interesting? That's fine, too. Honestly, it's necessary educational listening. I had a particularly fun time listening to Moyer and guest Clark Robinson go through the mechanics of building a world magic system. And I think you'll find it interesting too. So go give X0 Law a listen, and tell the doctor we sent you. Now, back to the show. [21:02] [Transition Music] ROWAN:  So we normally split this into three different parts. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  We haven't conferred beforehand about what those parts are going to look like for this particular movie. But I have a feeling that we have a very similar thru line. JAZZA:  Hmm. ROWAN:  The first part I have referred to, because there was only one way we could refer to this part, given that in so many other films that we have covered in our previous episodes. This was also the title of a section of the film. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  The Party and its Aftermath. JAZZA:  Yeah. 100% It starts with the party and its aftermath. It's very all interesting things start with a party, as does this movie. ROWAN:  Yeah, for some reason, so many stories. Normally, the party in its aftermath is the last act. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  Whereas in this one, it's, it's the first so essentially, what happens at the beginning of this movie is that we have this man who's narrating talking about the fact that his sister has died and he is going on this revenge plot. Castle ruins, evil European family, some very helpful vampire lore up front. He lets us-- JAZZA:  Uh-huh. ROWAN:  know you got to decapitate them. You got a stake in through the heart. We're getting a lot of exposition, but you know what, that's just how he rolls. JAZZA:  It was quick. It was quick and acceptable. I feel like you know, for [22:20]-- ROWAN:  Ding, ding, ding! Here we go. JAZZA:  But also, is anyone gonna come into something called The Vampire Lovers, cold as to what a vampire is. ROWAN:  Unlikely. JAZZA:  Like, I feel like most people are probably gonna know broadly, what a vampire is and how you kill it. ROWAN:  Exactly. So it's it's the classic star of the vampire killer is here. He's narrating to us what's about to happen. We have a very fast zoom in on a guy's neck with fang bites. The camera angles and uses within this movie are just very intense. They really love a good zoom in, dramatic zoom in. They really like a good kind of interesting shots, shall we say throughout this. Which I did, did think heighten the camp element. But with, yeah, very quintessential have a horror stuff. The evil figure of the vampire looked like I would say a Halloween sheet ghost costume, mixed with a Dementor. JAZZA:  Oh, well, you have ruined that now. I thought it looks like really quite impressive. ROWAN:  I did as well. Yeah, no, that isn't to diminish how-- JAZZA:  Okay, cool. ROWAN:  --creepy it did look. JAZZA:  Cool. I think that is an accurate description of what it was dressed as to be fair. ROWAN:  Yeah, I was like, you know what, if people aren't going to go back and watch this movie, if they're just listening this to to hear a little bit about lesbian vampires. I want to paint them a picture. And the picture is-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --a teenager. You know what I'm going to build on this picture. The picture is a teenager who has been asked by their parents to take out their little kid sister and the local sisters friends trick or treating at Halloween. He obviously is too cool for Halloween costumes at this point. He's at that age where it's not cool again. And it's it's, it was cool when he was a kid but he's like, he's he's 15 now, yeah? So he is like, "Urgh, fine!" And he goes into the airing covered and he just gets a sheet and he's like, "Are you happy now?" And he cuts it lies in the sheets. He doesn't care. It's that mix with a Dementor? JAZZA:  Uh-hmm, and lace. ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  There was lots of lakes. ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Yeah, ROWAN:  If you just put that in your head. You've seen him, you can imagine it. JAZZA:  Yeah, 100%. I also love the like beyond just the vampire and the fact that it is a bedsheet. I love the rest of the costuming in this movie, but especially our narrator and the fact that he's there with kind of like his large Bejeweled ring, long sideburns and kind of like ruffled lace cuffs as well. And as he's got kind of got his hand up to his face in shock like, "Huh?!!", you see the rough come out of his sleeve. oh, and it's quite beautiful. It's it's beautiful [24:53], I love it. And all of that coupled with like the artificial fog on the clearly papier-mâché castle. The fake IV and the fact that it's all moonlit night time. I loved it. I was here for it. I felt like I was on a movie set because I was. ROWAN:  Oh yeah, I've completely agree with you there. My note that I made for this section was for a movie about lesbian vampires. We're getting a lot of this random dude. JAZZA:  Who disappears for-- ROWAN:  He disappears-- JAZZA:  --the rest of the movie, by the way. ROWAN:  --for most of the rest of the movie, he comes back at the end. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. Yeah, and comes back at the very end to ruin it with men. ROWAN:  Yes, well, I mean, what we don't want to give you any spoilers right now. You're gonna get spoilers in approximately how many minutes and take hours to get to the end act. The other note I made was vampire girl is cute and blonde has very shiny hair, please drop the routine. So I was thinking-- JAZZA:  I think, I think it's being, I think, I think the routine is being immortal. ROWAN:  You know what? That makes sense, that checks out. I will say, and we kind of briefly talked about this before we started to record. But the the effects were really good. The there's a computation that happens at this point, and genuinely very, very good special effects, very well-practical effects. JAZZA:  Yeah, like they had Madame Tussaud's head being like, cut off loads of blood everywhere. I laughed when the vampire was killed at the beginning of the movie. I'm sure people in 1970 may have been genuinely shocked. It's-- ROWAN:  Mmm. JAZZA:  --really difficult for me to put myself in the mindset of somebody in the 1970s. ROWAN:  I don't know whether someone in the 1970s didn't I I think they understood what movies were, Jazza. Like I don't think that they were that gonna be that shocked? I think. JAZZA:  It's not quite like in the 1920s when they first showed people a train covered [26:45]-- ROWAN:  Yeah and they ran away. JAZZA:  --and people ran out of the movie. Yeah, yeah yeah. ROWAN:  No, I think that, I think that there was like, it was campy back then it was campy now. It was very much, yeah, my favorite bit of this whole big very, very beginning section before we get to the party, is the disclaimer. Because it goes from this section. It's like a good cold open if, you know, this guy's a vampire hunters. He's a eventing a sister, this is woman who's going around trying to kill people. We get some some of him explaining how to kill a vampire. And we also get her just being really really scared of a cross so you know, ohh, that bit of laws also correct. But once when the kind of credits start to roll at the beginning, there is a disclaimer that any characters or events portrayed are clearly fictitious, which definitely feels like something real vampires making a movie would say. JAZZA:  You saying, are we gonna have to make keep our eye out for more evidence that these are actual vampires making actual movies? ROWAN:  Is Peter Cushing a vampire? Who can tell? JAZZA:  Actually, you know what? He was somehow invoke one, so-- ROWAN:  He does have the vibes. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  So then we get to the actual party, which is so aggressively 60s in its hair, makeup and clothing. JAZZA:  Oh my god, the eyeliner? ROWAN:  It's incredible. JAZZA:  --the eyeliner. I was taking notes for my drag character. Like I am doing cat eyes from now on. ROWAN:  I would honestly love to see you as a in drag as a lesbian vampire. I feel like that will be beautiful. JAZZA:  Hey, just you weren't into Halloween this year. ROWAN:  It'll happen. Also in in in, again, with the over the top style acting the over the top style props and stuff. I'm not gonna lie to you, there is no way that you could watch this film with the sound on and not know who the baddies are. Because the music, really is not subtle. There is no no subtleties to this music, you very quickly know who is you're meant to find menacing. Which they needed to do because the acting is so wooden. It's really trying to like give you something give you some indication because the characters are basically just standing around without expressions. JAZZA:  And also like makeup. So you assume that the man who clearly has a inch of white stick on his face. You assume that he is the bad guy vampire, because he turns up has a flowy cape and is whiter than I am. ROWAN:  Uhmm. JAZZA:  Which is saying something. ROWAN:  Now's a good time to point out this man. So basically the plot of the party is there's like, well, there's not much but essentially it's just an excuse for our lead lesbian vampire to turn up. And for her, we assume lesbian vampire mother to, I don't know why I said lesbian, specifically of. Mainly, we can assume she's a vampire. She might also be a lesbian, it's unconfirmed. Kind of drops her off and is like, Oh no, who will look after my daughter while I conveniently have to go away. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  And they're like, well, I guess we'll look after her. So this whole party is essentially setting up, that she's gonna have to stay with this family for a little while. But every so often interspersed is just the aforementioned man that Jazza has just briefly described. Who just has a very bad like white face paint makeup on and looks very Draculary and just sort of grins a lot. And he's just never explained the entire movie, it's great. JAZZA:  Yeah, and every now and again, throughout the movie, there will be a shot of the lesbian vampires doing lesbian vampire things, And then that will cast away as a transition to a silhouette of the man with the white face on the on the horse. And I'm like, this movie wants us to believe that this this, I assume that, we know he is a vampire. He's confirmed to be a vampire at the end, because he smiles and has the-- ROWAN:  It's canon. JAZZA:  Yeah, it's canon. But he is confirmed to be a vampire. And I'm like, are we to believe that he is the one pulling the strings of everything? I think that's what we're meant to believe. In which case I kind of dislike because part of the thing that I loved about this movie was the women leads and women like the middle section of the movie is just the women kind of like conversing and trying to kill one another. Why does there have to be a male puppet, puppet master? But then I realized, or, like shoot this down Rowan, and I'm sure you will if you if you do think it is shit. ROWAN:  Pew, pew. JAZZA:  Pew pew. He's Dracula, right? ROWAN:  Well, okay, so it's this question of like, the Dracula character is so well-known and so iconic in everything about him. Not necessarily the actual original Dracula from the book because most depictions of Dracula are nothing like him. But the image of him that has been created by Hollywood by movies and by kind of not even just urban legends. But like people's people's imagination from from movies and like physical-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --representations of him. So I think it will be very logical to assume that it was meant to be Dracula. But it's it may be it's just because he is so synonymous with vampires we see. If we saw any vampire that looked vaguely like old timey pale skin, we would maybe assume it was Dracula. JAZZA:  But then who else is it going to be? Like, so Carmilla is our titular vampire lover. ROWAN:  uh-hmm. JAZZA:  And apart from Dracula, like obviously, they're originally from different universes from different books. They are-- ROWAN:  Different cinematic universes. JAZZA:  Yeah yeah. This this is like Marvel and DC. ROWAN:  Most ambitious crossover, The Vampire Lovers. JAZZA:  But if it's going to be anybody, I feel like it has to be Dracula. ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Because, I feel like nobody else is gonna be calling the shots for Carmilla. ROWAN:  Uhmm. JAZZA:  And even arguably, you'd argue that Carmilla wouldn't be like canonically in the book. She wouldn't be taking any direction from no man. But-- ROWAN:  Indeed. JAZZA:  So we should probably introduce Carmilla, our main lesbian vampire. ROWAN:  At this point going by Marcilla-- JAZZA:  Marci-- ROWAN:  --in an extremely clever, different version of her name. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  It's not it was like it was a fake name, but it was just weirdly close to her actual name. JAZZA:  It's a little bit too close, right? So she is played by Ingrid Pitt, who is a Polish-British Actress, and her Wikipedia page, incredibly impressive. She is a Holocaust survivor. Did you know that? ROWAN:  I didn't. It's really, I mean, the Hammer Horror, I know that we're kind of taking the mick out of it. But ultimately, they it has produced some incredibly iconic, especially British Actors and Actresses. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  A lot of them were in like, a ton of those very specific Hammer Horror movies and like, very much became, like icons because of it. So I didn't know that about her. But we love to learn. JAZZA:  Yes, she's a, she was a a a Polish Jew and was born 1937 was in a concentration camp in, in Poland. Managed to escape to the UK. And then what it was the era when all of the all of Hollywood were kind of like marrying like seven or eight times. She's had several marriages, she's not had seven or eight, she's had three marriages. But what had the whole classic thing of you know what, I'm just going to become an Actress. Moved to Hollywood, was a waitress for years until she got discovered. And I've got to say, I think that she carries the rest of the cast, I will say including, Peter Cushing.  ROWAN:  How dare you, sir. JAZZA:  I I mean, this is one of his performances. There are other things that he's done better. But she carries this whole movie on her shoulders, I think Ingrid Pitt. I think that she is not, she's not so camp, that it makes it funny. But she really ups the energy, like throughout the film in all of the scenes and the development of her character. ROWAN:  Yeah, I agree. So I I kind of made a note about this, I think that you can see within her fighting to get out is some complexity around Carmilla. To the point where I like kept thinking it was going to be discussed in some way. So what essentially happens as I mentioned at the party, we it's it's a mechanism for Carmilla and Laura to become friends and have to stay together in the house. JAZZA:  Uhm. ROWAN:  Laura, basically slowly starts losing her mind. She starts suffering from nightmares that she's being attacked by this giant cat. She screams a lot. Oh, boy, do they love to scream in this. JAZZA:  I love it so much. ROWAN:  It's I, okay, I'm going to give you another metaphor for the scream. The scream is like, the scream that you get in a high school movie. When a teenager has been punked by their younger brother. And their hair, like their hair has been dyed green. And they look directly into the mirror that is also directly into the camera and they take a deep breath and then they scream. And then the camera zooms out, like to the house and into the like country and then a load of-- JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah yeah. ROWAN:  --birds like flutter out of trees. That's the vibe-- JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  --from every scream and there's multiple in this particular movie. JAZZA:  Well I love Rowan is that we're very quickly realizing that this season of recording review podcasts, all of your references are going to be to team trash moments. Like that's-- ROWAN:  Yeah, the best of all genres. Other than horror, but I know that you can't handle that, obviously. So I decided to [35:37]-- JAZZA:  [35:37] lead by you. ROWAN:  So yeah, this is very kind of classic Gothic idea of like, slowly trying to figure out like, what's real? What's not real? Did I might actually being attacked? This is a nightmare. Has someone caused me to feel this way? And while this is happening, we get this very intense kind of friendship going on between these two women. I think there's literally an an exchange or one of them says I shall die when you leave. And the other is like, I shall never leave you. And then they do kissy kiss, kiss kiss. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  But what's also really interesting to me, which I actually feel like I still see a lot in lesbian movies is that there is no actual relationship development. Which makes sense in this film, because it's like supernatural allure, right? It's like her being like, I'm just this lesbian vampire. And so you're gonna fall for me, even though we literally have never had a conversation properly. Like, we never see that on screen. But I often see that to my mind, at least in lesbian movies. Especially the like historic lesbian movies, where they just really love to bank on the idea of like the repressed women trope. And so they're like, we don't have to have them have conversations and talk about things because they've repressed, right? They just sort of inexplicably now want to kiss. There's no build up and nothing and no discussions. And so I was like, at least here it makes sense. Canonically with the idea of her having this like sexual allure to her victims. JAZZA:  Yeah, it kind of does. I I I will, and this is something that people smarter than me have talked about, about Carmilla the original text from the 1800s. Where she juxtaposes with a character like Dracula, because Carmilla actually seems to genuinely fall in love with the people that she ends up killing, alternative vampires. And I felt like Pitt's depiction of the, she was really good at kind of like, I believed that she really did care for these young women that she ended up, spoiler, kills. ROWAN:  Uhm. Yeah, completely agree. There's these, there are just these moments where she's the character on her own like, and she suddenly has this look of like, deep grief or deep sadness or deep like confliction in her. And I'm like, oh, if this wasn't a Hammer Horror, like I, this same story could be played out. And we really could have dug into the idea of like, I need to do this to survive, or like I cannot, this is what I was meant to do. Like, I've been living for hundreds of years. And this is what's always happened. But this is like, mentally horrific. And I feel like there's some interesting like vampire media that does explore this idea of like, what do you do if you just keep on living? And you have to hurt people in order to survive, like, what does that look like? That and see, or-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --seeing that conflict of someone who has fallen for someone for that, for real for the first time. That previously it hadn't been things like, these things are really interesting to explore, not where this film is going. Another spoiler alert gang, there there is no complex comes, the biggest complexity is this very specific look that we have interpreted from an actress who was not given anything else in the script to work with. JAZZA:  Yeah. Shall we just say this up before? Up the [38:37]-- ROWAN:  We shout. JAZZA:  --out for that. The script is not this movie's strong point. ROWAN:  Uhm. Yeah, if you couldn't have told that already. I feel like we've really hinted quite heavily at it, so far. JAZZA:  Yes. ROWAN:  But yeah, so the end of this first section is essentially, Laura is bitten. She has these fang bites on her. She she dies, and Marcilla is like, Bye!!! JAZZA:  Yeah, disappears. ROWAN:  I'm out of here, baby. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  And so we get to our second section. [39:04] [Transition Music] JAZZA:  So that first section has basically, it's the bullet point version of what's going to happen next with a new girl, essentially. ROWAN:  Uh-hmm. JAZZA:  That's what going to happen-- ROWAN:  Yes, that's exactly. That's exactly it. JAZZA:  Like this is what Carmilla does. She is parachuted in convolutedly to be, to befriend a young woman in a manor house. And then gradually over time, kills her, while terrorizing the local peasantry as well. Because every now and again we'll have like a peasant washer woman running through the forest. Who then stumbles falls and then screams and does the as you said, that [scream] kind of moment. ROWAN:  Wonderful impression. Yes. JAZZA:  Thank you. I'm conscious of of peeking the mic. Otherwise, I would delete, you know, I [39:52]-- ROWAN:  Oh, yeah. No, I know you would. So this one we get a little more titillation, though. Like we functionally you're right, it's exactly the same story. But we do get a little more titillation. So we have like Emma comes into Carmilla's room. Welcome in there is just naked in the bath, and just has a casual conversation about-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --the dresses that they're going to wear and Carmilla's like, you should take everything off for you try on this dress, because it ruins the shape to have underwear on. And she's like, oh, okay, like there's literally no reason for the scene apart from for the audience have like this kind of sex and fear and horror and campaign nudity and like all this stuff coming together in in the way that it's often does. So even at that point, I was like, oh, this is ridiculous. And then they start chasing each other around while topless in, what I genuinely think might be the most unconvincing chase scene in all of cinema. JAZZA:  It's kind of like when you see if the like, in in maybe a more modern movie where two women have been asked to, do a pillow fight and and it's sexy. Just trust me, it's sexy. All the way through this second conquest of Carmilla of Emma's character who is this the wide idiot, frankly. ROWAN:  Yeah, she does have a type doesn't she? JAZZA:  Yeah yeah. Oh my God, I didn't even think of it like that. But yeah yeah, though I did it. But she like I I I found myself questioning all the way through kind of like this moment of undressing and Ooh, tits or bear ass, you know. I don't want and can you answer this for me? Is this sexy? ROWAN:  Well as a sexual lesbian, Jazza, I don't really, I I'm both highly qualified and utterly unqualified to answer that question-- JAZZA:  Which is-- ROWAN:  --no, not in my mind. But I think as well it's it's it's that I think that the sexiness with this release, I don't know maybe there's probably some lesbians that are just like, yes, tits. But I think, like, we have them, we know what they look like. So it's kind of like, what did someone else I feel like it's the connection that that-- JAZZA:  Made that that logic. I just, I just want to put this out there that logic does not-- ROWAN:  Not, no, that's fair enough. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  But it is this thing of like, there is literally no feeling of connection between them during that chase scene. Like, I think there are other bits where there's more like when they're doing this sort of hypnotizes seductressy bit that like, feels like they're-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --slightly monstering chemistry. But like, that scene where they're chasing each other around could not have been-- JAZZA:  Less sexy. ROWAN:  --less sexy, if it tried like it just in an embarrassing kind of way that's like, Oh, God, I guess I'm watching this now, this is happening. Because I do think as well, it is like, it is very funny to me, because I think immediately just reminds me of the super, the super cliche to the point where it's almost become a meme thing that happens with gay male characters in movies. And in porn as well, where they, they kind of have a like, they're sort of play fighting, and then suddenly, it's like, oh, no, now we are on top of each other and it is sexual. JAZZA:  Uh-huh. ROWAN:  Like-- JAZZA:  CRGBF episode. ROWAN:  Yeah, it's like it's it's such a trope. And it's so funny that it kind of like this was like, even less convincing than those things. I was really interested to see, because this was on so many sort of, like, you know, classic queer movie lists. But typically movies that are this old, you don't really have the actual canonical confirmation in any way. And you definitely do in this movie, like they, they really have it up and although it does fall into the trope, we'll talk about in a second about like, kind of the evil lesbian trope. It's supernatural and over the top and kind of didn't mind it in that way. But yeah, once again, Emma starts having nightmares. Start screaming, everyone else kind of goes away on like, the day goes away on business. She has a suitor, but he's not you know, it's it's in the olden times. So he doesn't really come-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm, uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --around all the time. He just occasionally, he'll turn up. But we'll be do have it's a little bit different is the kind of Governess character-- JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  --like Mme. Perrodot, who's kind of like becomes this accomplice to Carmilla. Because she's just seducing everyone. JAZZA:  I love Carmilla and The Governess. And I want them to go away and have a home with the what was the cat's name? Gustav. ROWAN:  Oh, yeah, you know what-- JAZZA:  I want to-- ROWAN:  --you're right. JAZZA:  --go move to a cottage in the Romanian countryside and just live with Gustav. Because, uhm, so as well as seducing Emma, Carmilla begins seducing and killing all of the peasantry around the mansion. Carmilla begins to seduce The Governess. And that is when it does get sexy. And I was like, oh, all of a sudden there actually feels like there is chemistry between these two women. And I thought that Carmilla had turned The Governess into a vampire? But it turns out that she doesn't that The Governess is just have familia and just really fancy is the pants off of Carmilla. ROWAN:  Uh-hmm. JAZZA:  And to be fair with an ass like that. ROWAN:  I mean, who can blame her? JAZZA:  Mmm. ROWAN:  But yeah, that's an interesting thing here. Again, I'll come back to when we talk about lesbian trips versus exchange that happens between Emma and Carmilla about, you know, I love you. I don't want anyone taking you away from me and Emma being like, we'll always be friends. She's like, no, it's not the same thing, it's different. I want you to love me for all your life. Like it's very much the idea of like Carmilla is the predatory, kind of obsessive like actual lesbian. And then you have this like poor innocent Emma who didn't didn't understand what was happening. Like-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --she didn't know that that was what was going on in the mind of this perverted lesbian vampire. JAZZA:  I sometimes also get the the feeling that Carmilla was a bit of a like the lesbian version of a nagging dude, bro. Like she keeps on telling, telling Emma there's, ahh you talk such nonsense. Like, getting really defensive about the way that she feels about funerals, for example. ROWAN:  Oh, bloody he hates funerals. JAZZA:  Completely gaslights, Emma about like the bite marks on her being from a brooch and not from anything else. ROWAN:  Yeah, truly Carmilla is the gaslight, gatekeeper, girlboss of all, of all [46:00]-- JAZZA:  That is, that is the classification that we needed. Thank you very much, Rowan, I appreciate it. ROWAN:  I don't know if you had anything else to say about this section. Cuz I think the third section is like the boys are back in town. JAZZA:  Oh, I called the third section. Lesbian Vampire Killers. ROWAN:  Oh, yeah. You know what, that also works very well. [46:16] [Transition Music] ROWAN:  This is essentially when all of the guys and tada like, hey, I don't know whether you've noticed how every woman is dying in the local area by having their blood drained. But I think there may be foul play at work. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. Can I just say the men, they have been practically no men having speaking parts in this movie, for like a good 50% of the middle part of it. The first 25% is Carmilla and the aftermath party. And then we have 50% of just women. seducing one another and being hot. And-- ROWAN:  And Gustav, the cat. JAZZA:  --and, and Gustav, the cat, of course. So I won't forget Gustav, the cat. And then these men come in. And I'll be completely honest, I forgotten who most of them were. ROWAN:  Oh, yeah, I fully could not remember any of these men were. JAZZA:  And what their relationships were with the women previously. So it is all of the aggrieved men who have been affected by cumulus murdering. So it is the father of Laura who she killed in act one. It is the suitor of Emma, who-- ROWAN:  Uh-hmm. JAZZA:  --at this point is going through the stages of death as well. And also the father of Emma as well, who has just come back from business. ROWAN:  Ooh, and surprised that guy from the beginning who who was narrating. JAZZA:  Oh, sure, the guy of the sideburns. ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  [47:52] caps. ROWAN:  [47:52] there's also just randomly like, there's a Doctor, there's a butler, there's a landlord. JAZZA:  Yeah, all of these men that, I'll be honest movie I didn't I don't care about and I feel like it wanted us to root for the men because they're the ones who are like injustice. And I was like, now I know that Carmilla is going around and killing all of these doe wide dumb women. But I'm on her side, I'll be completely honest. And I kind of want the men to leave them alone so that they can have their happy lesbian life with The Governess and Gustav. ROWAN:  Yeah. And instead, the men keep trying to bring garlic flowers into their room, which is honestly-- JAZZA:  [48:27] ROWAN:  --very rude. JAZZA:  Yeah, so one of the workers in the mansion, Mr. Venton, is supposed to be a, no, he's not really a hero. Basically, I immediately dislike him because we introduced him as he slaps the ass of a bar wench in the peasant village. He then decides, oh, yeah, definitely everything that's happening to Emma is vampiric in nature. He reckons the vampire is The Governess, actually, rather than Carmilla. And then starts talking with the landlord of the local pub, and getting advice and so brings in garlic flowers to Emma's bedroom, to try and ward off the vampires and causing a Doctor who also as well as encouraging the use of these flowers, brings in a a crucifix and puts it around Emma's neck. Which makes it impossible for both Carmilla and for The Governess to go into the womb and to complete the killing of our delight [49:33] ROWAN:  Yeah. Which ultimately, yeah, great plan to be honest, it did work. They pretty foolproof. JAZZA:  Yeah, it was pretty good until Venton get seduced by Carmilla and just goes, you know what, all I want to do is make out with you and I'm going to like murder this girl for it. And you know what? I was happy to see him die at the hands of Carmilla, good for her. ROWAN:  And then she's also like, ohh, going to kill the Doctor and all, like just the though we have a nice scene when the Doctor's Horse get super spooked. And she somehow, I guess is teleported there. Because she never really seems to leave the house and yet she's always off body killing people. So yeah she's, she's like you know what? We, enough of this. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  No thank you. So kind of simultaneously while all of the the lads are going on a little road trip to her old family castle to try and-- JAZZA:  Yeah, where she's buried. ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  She's like Oop, time for a kidnap and decides to essentially kidnap Emma, and in the process dump The Governess. JAZZA:  Can I just say this just cemented, cemented Carmilla was an, as the absolute fuck boy if this movie, ROWAN:  You're, you know what? You're absolutely right. She is-- JAZZA:  Like-- ROWAN:  --she is the fuck boy-- JAZZA:  --literally-- ROWAN:  --of this movie. JAZZA:  --The Governess is there on the floor, begging, take me with you. She loves you, she wants to create that life with Gustav. ROWAN:  She wants the cottage called dream with the cat-- JAZZA:  [50:58] of this-- ROWAN:  --and, in the woods, in Romanian. JAZZA:  Who knew in the 1970s that this was going to pave the way for the Cottagecore Movement and-- ROWAN:  I know, right. JAZZA:  --Lesbian Cottagecore Movement. ROWAN:  That's the true history of it. And then there's so much screaming again, classic. Because she decides to to feed on The Governess and-- JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  --maybe shouldn't have done that in front of Emma. If she wanted Emma-- JAZZA:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --to come away with her. But you know she did and that's on her. So all the screaming again. And then the suitor is here to save the day, whose name is Carl. Which-- JAZZA:  Didn't know it is, no, I completely missed that. What? That's very funny-- ROWAN:  It's Carl, yeah. Carl's here to save the day and so Carmilla-- JAZZA:  Carl.. ROWAN:  --looks like, ohh, well, I guess a bit of skip town. This is too much for me, and then runs back to the castle. Which obviously we as the audience know is filled with the lads who are up to no good. JAZZA:  The Lesbian Vampire Killer. ROWAN:  Yeah. The Lesbian Vampire Killer, the lads. And so yeah, she just runs back to the castle, has a little nap. And then while she's napping, doesn't notice them all come around her coffin and and stab her in the heart. JAZZA:  I can I just say they don't, she doesn't notice them. Finding her coffin, moving a massive, kind of like slate off of her coffin. Carrying her coffin into the chapel, opening the coffin, then moving her dress down so that expose his, her chest and then placing the stake on her breast so that they can actually stub her. She doesn't notice any of that, she's fast asleep, bless her. ROWAN:  She's hibernating, [52:22] we nap and she deserves it. JAZZA:  Very cute. This is all happening during the night as well. And that's when she's to be awake? ROWAN:  Hmm, doing question is fine. She's she's hibernating. JAZZA:  And then they once again they stab her through the chest. She is then decapitated, which again, the physical effects of this movie. We're not what I was expecting for 1970, that is very nice. ROWAN:  That's very good. JAZZA:  Have we gone backwards? ROWAN:  Possibly, I I genuinely feel like the special effects of Jurassic Park hold up better than the special effects of Jurassic World. So, yes, you're you're correct. The audience of the goodies. JAZZA:  I am with you. ROWAN:  I really enjoyed that they were like yeah, Peter Cushing can have the killing blow. He's a he's the star of this, is no real connection to a lot of what's going on here but sure. And then at the end come in his portrait on the wall has changed to be all vampire instead of all hot like she was before. JAZZA:  Very doing great. ROWAN:  Yeah, it's great. It was it was very much like Chekhov's decapitation. Because they did the guy at the very beginning was like, the only way you can kill them as if you decapitate them. And it's like, oh, I wonder if that will come back later on. It's like, a plot point. And then yeah, that was the end of the movie we had, we have experienced, The Vampire Lovers. JAZZA:  Uh-hmm, uh-hmm. Rowan did you [53:36], how how was this, how was this experience for you? Because obviously this isn't what you wanted. You wanted quote unquote, "real horror". ROWAN:  So here's the thing. JAZZA:  Mmm, go! ROWAN:  I will admit, when we were coming up with these movies, and we and you decided that we were going to watch The Vampire Lovers, I was worried. JAZZA:  Can I just say, I rolled a dice when decided this. ROWAN:  Yeah, you did annoyingly. JAZZA:  So it wasn't me that decided it was the dice. ROWAN:  The dice, it was the thing. I would admit, the time I was a bit like, disappointed because I like, no that, I don't know if I'm that interested in this or whatever. But then I did watch the movie. And I agree with my initial assessment, I was so bored. This was such a boring movie. JAZZA:  I I couldn't disagree with you more. ROWAN:  Ohhh, God. JAZZA:  I loved it, I loved it so much. ROWAN:  I've could have predicted that though. I feel like we've had, we've disagreed on movies before in this podcast. And I think it's just you enjoy trash. JAZZA:  This isn't, no no-- ROWAN:  Like, and not that that's not even meant to be me. Like, like, taking a dig at you. I'm like you genuinely do appreciate sort of like campy, trashy, like low budget stuff. I think more than I do. JAZZA:  Yes. Yeah. No, I'm with you. That is my vibe. That is my my modus operandi. But also I will say, all the way through, I was just fascinated that a movie like this was out in 1970. And I was also just captivated by all of the women. Either Ingrid Pitt, really does carry this full movie, she was absolutely phenomenal throughout the whole thing. But then every single woman is just absolutely stunning. And I don't understand why they're hanging around with all of these mediocre men. I wanted it to just be the women living their cortical fantasy. And I was so sucked in to their beauty and like some of their sexy flirting. I was super into The Governess, and all of that shit. I genuinely was hooked to this movie. I I really enjoyed the ride, I thought it was great. I will say some of that is based on kind of like, oh, isn't this an interesting depiction of like, the end of the height of the Hammer Horror Movement, and of the type of movie that was out at the time and stuff like that. ROWAN:  What a nerd. JAZZA:  But I have a--I had a really nice time, I'd recommend it. ROWAN:  Yeah, I also I guess it appreciated it on that more intellectual level of like, mmm, this is I was I was like, at the very least, there's stuff that we can say about it. In the same way as I did predict this is what was going to happen. That like when you do an experiment in science class, really, I just keep doing high school metaphors. And it's not even on purpose. And when you do an experiment in science class, and it goes horribly wrong, and all of your results are wrong. You're like, well, at least I have something to write in my evaluation, even if the results and the conclusion of the terrible. I'll have, I'll basically just be able to, like, absolutely destroyed myself by being like me from 10 minutes ago, when I did this experiment is ridiculous, and doesn't know what she was doing and absolute fool. Or here all the things she did wrong. JAZZA:  And you're and you'll get really good marks for being reflective. ROWAN:  Yeah, exactly. You really reflective. And I kind of feel like this is the vibe of like, well, I don't enjoy it. But there's a lot we can say about it. So I guess this is the section where we talk about a little bit more context specific around Queer Movies, lesbian vampires, they're a thing. So this is not, this very much was part of a tradition. Like you talked about Carmilla before. And this is a tradition that has very much been with us for a long time, for a number of reasons. So one, as we talked about before, the vampire genre ties in a lot to sex and sexuality. And it only makes sense that if you're going to talk about perversion and sexuality that lesbians come up, you know, it's a it's just how we do. So I think also the fact that there is a, there is a riskier a danger, and alert sexuality element of vampires. And so if you're going to pick a sexuality to titillate the assumed to be male audience. With a bit of taboo, with a bit of danger, with a lot of titties, the lesbians will do it for you. So this is very much yeah, old, old trope, which has continued on through the decades. And this was absolutely no exception and actually was like a very noted example of it that a lot of people will talk about. I think it was very interesting that, when you look at the Wikipedia article for this movie, it gives you, often Wikipedia articles will tell you like what the rotten score is with critics. JAZZA:  Uhm. ROWAN:  And the note that they've made of it being certified rotten. I looked at the citation, and it was from 2013. It is now absolutely not certified rotten, the critic score is 71. And the audience score is 60. So it kind of has gotten more critical clout as a cult classic, than sort of a good movie at the time getting good reviews. It's very much had basically the reaction that we sort of had to at of, there is something about the context of it and something about its sort of cult classic status, which has, I think, elevate it in in subsequent reviews. JAZZA:  Is it, I'm sensing a mirroring of what we saw with Jennifer's Body-- ROWAN:  Hmm. JAZZA:  --a little bit. ROWAN:  You are not wrong, you're absolutely not wrong. There is this idea of the as I kind of mentioned earlier, corrupting lesbian force, right? So you would often have not just in like supernatural ways in in more realistic dramas around these decades, especially within the Hays Code or around it, of the experienced, maybe older sexual lesbian, and the young innocent virgin who didn't really understand what was going on and couldn't be blamed and was sucked in but just needed to be kind of taken out of this woman's [59:23] and given to a nice good man and that would kind of cheer her like this very much is something that is a big, big part of the conceptualization people had of lesbians of what what that relationship looks like. And I think queer people in general was like, the predator, right? So you had a lot of in our history, we have a lot of stuff where, you know, queer people shouldn't be teachers because they shouldn't be around young people. Ridiculous, obviously. And then more recently, we have the sort of trans bathroom panic stuff around the idea that old trans people shouldn't be trusted with our children in bathrooms like just completely ridiculous. But absolutely ties into this idea of like the evil lesbian trope, which plays out so much, over over time, over over this genre. And if you're being interpreting it in maybe a little bit more of a generous way, or if you wanted to subvert it, then you might look at how becoming a vampire is sort of as a symbol of no longer being tied to sort of puritanical ideas of sex and sexuality. And it being a very freeing experience and that that kind of tying into queerness like, I definitely think there's room for that interpretation. In like more modern explorations of lesbian vampires. I'd be really interested to see stuff like that. But yeah, there's a 1936 film Dracula's Daughter. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN: 

Helllllo stars. Welcome back to the pod. I'm back after a holiday respite! Today I'm tuning in from a COVID quarantine with my housemates Cesar Pinzon and Ian Bourn. We've been isolated, stars, so you'll note that we were feeling goofy. In this Yuletide episode, you'll hear us play a Christmas "who am I" game, reflect on Christmas memories--both light and dark--and finish the episode with a reading of the classic Christmas tale "The Gift of the Magi". Throughout the episode, you'll hear the song Home Alone by Heatmaps, which does wonders to parallel the conflicted emotions we all share about the holidays. CREDS// Find Heatmaps Bandcamp: https://heatmapsband.bandcamp.com/ The Gift of the Magi https://americanenglish.state.gov/files/ae/resource_files/1-the_gift_of_the_magi_0.pdf Pod Logo by Sarah Day Pod Promo Art by Aubrey McMichael Pod Intro and Transition Music by Afterspace Recording, editing and mixing by yours truly. xoxo, Claire --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

We are joined for our first EVER Hot Takes by the incomparable Corry. Corry is Scottish, and a super-star co-host of popular science based podcast ‘Sci Guys'. You can find him on Tik Tok, YouTube and Instagram with lots of crunchy nuggets for your brain.  We like Corry, send him love. Find Us Online - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows   Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd   About The Show Queer Movie Podcast is a queer movie watch party hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we research and rate our way through the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to black & white classics, Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things gaaaaay on the silver screen. New episodes every other Thursday.   Transcript ROWAN:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast, celebrating the best and worst in LGBTQ+ Cinema one glorious genre at a time. I'm Rowan Ellis and welcome to one of a couple of brand new types of episodes that we'll be releasing between our usual queer Movie Club episodes. This is hot takes, where I'll be joined by a guest who's come ready to go with three Queer Movie hot takes that they'll need to persuade me of in three arguments or less. I'm very excited to have my friend and shameless Marvel fanboy Corry as our first ever guest of the show. Hi, Corry. CORRY:  Hello, Rowan. And hello everyone listening. Wow. ROWAN:  What an intro. CORRY:  I love that your intro for me now is always Marvel, despite the fact that I'm not always talking about Marvel. I feel like I should have bought a Marvel thing today. ROWAN:  Here's the thing, if you send me 1000 voice memos about every Marvel show that's ever come out. That's going to be my go to introduction for you, you need to send me voice notes about whatever you want to be known for. In order for me to now change your introduction. CORRY:  You're you're already getting yourself in to so--you're you're, you're not going to enjoy all the voices I'm going to be sending you after this then unfiltered-- ROWAN:  No I love a good voice mate. So you are our very, very first guest on this new show. And you have not told me your hot takes in advance which I'm very excited to find out and and hear all of your reasonings and your ar--and your arguments and all that stuff. So I have no idea if I'm going to be fully in support of what you're saying. Or utterly outraged at everything you have to bring to the table today. So would you like to hit me with hot take number one? CORRY:  Okay. I think hot take number one is an easier one. Hot take number one, all love triangles would be improved, if the characters were bi, every single one. ROWAN:  I am obsessed with this already. Okay, so take take me through this. Give me Give me your argument. CORRY:  Okay. So, before I do little argument number one, I'll just give a little bit of an explanation. ROWAN:  Oh, yeah. Give me the explanation. CORRY:  When I say love triangle, I mean any love polygon. So any any number of shapes you want for people to be in love would be improved by all of the characters, not just some, all of the characters being by I'm saying this out loud. I'm realizing how ridiculous this sounds ROWAN:  No commit commit to the bit, Corry. CORRY:  Argument number one, is that it is more interesting, because there are more interactions, all right. You've got a normal love triangle. Okay, let's use Twilight as an example. Something that I haven't even I haven't even watched all the Twilight movies. Twilight, you've got Bella, you've got Edward and you've got Jacob, right? And Jacob and Edward both like Bella, but they can't like each other because they're straight boys. You know, it doesn't work. ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  You've just got Bella is this intersection. But if Edward and Jacob were to like each other, boom. What if Edward and Jacob got together? That's another interaction there. It's a perfect way to sort of have some more. There's there's more going on there more character interactions. You don't have just people, "Oh, I hate you because you want the same girl that I want". It's a case of what if I want you too? ROWAN:  Ooh. CORRY:  More interactions, means more better. ROWAN:  Okay, so already, I have a a potential comment on the example that you've chosen to use, which is that and I think that because you haven't finished all of the Twilight movies or books. This might have passed you by and that's why you've chosen this particular example. But are you aware that this loved supposed love triangle is in fact a love square? And the fourth corner of the square is Bella and Edward's infant child. CORRY:  I'm look I'm well aware of Renesmee and I detest her name. I detest almost everything that happens is to do with that character. And I like to just pretend that she doesn't exist, because then we have to get into the conversation of does imprinting, did that come into love triangles? Is it not a love triangle and then an imprinting square if you add that in? I don't know. ROWAN:  So I think your hot take is your hot take is love polygons would be improved if everyone was bisexual, and there was no imprinting like in brackets asterisk, like also no imprinting. CORRY:  Oh, absolutely. I think also no Imprinting is it's just an addendum to my life at this point. That's how that's how much impact these films that I haven't fully watched have had on me, yes. ROWAN:  Did, yeah, just assume every hot take from now on both Corry's and you know what everyone who comes to the show has an asterisk, that's also also no imprinting. And I fully support that I've got no arguments here. CORRY:  Fantastic precedent to set. ROWAN:  So okay, hi--hi hit me with your second argument, cuz you're making a strong one so far, this does seem like it would add add to the drama add to the connections. CORRY:  Okay, good, I'm glad. I've built this one, just I I've actually structured this one, I think quite well. So the first argument is more interactions, but more interactions means more outcomes, okay. So if there's more outcomes, then you you're left guessing like, what's going to happen? Is Edward going to end up with Jacob? Is Bella going to end up with Edward or Ja--? Who knows? We don't know. There are more outcomes. And so you don't you know, usually when you're watching a film, you're like, Oh, well, this character is obviously gonna end up with that character. But if there's a love square, gosh, you've got so many different interactions and people can people can end up with each other. Also also, you can have the coveted polycule. You can have a little get a little thruple going on there as well. So many things happening. You left guessing you don't know films just become far, far better. Because there's so many more options to choose from. You don't have to go with just like, you know, the first boyfriend or the other one the bad boy that comes in. In the second film. Again, I'm talking about Twilight. I hope that I'm being accurate because I haven't seen it. Well, maybe the Hunger Games. What if Gale and Peeta ended up together huh? ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  That'd be interesting. What if Katniss just left because she doesn't care about either of them. That would make more sense. ROWAN:  You're not wrong it would, it in fact would. My favorite part of, I can't remember if it's in the films, but in the books when she's trying to decide between them. She functionally is like, Okay, well, this one bakes bread. But this one hunts, but I can hunt. But I can't bake bread, I guess it's Peeta. And yeah, I feel like that would be maybe improved if the boys had had other options. And just waiting to see whether  she needed someone who could bake bread or hunt more. CORRY:  We--this is because I think this is a really a really good example as well. I'm glad you brought this up, because I'm pretty sure that well, he bakes bread and he hunts is in the book, because there's not really a huge love triangle in the book. It's more focused on, you know, the PTSD of having to kill numerous children. ROWAN:  Mmm mmm, Of course, of course. CORRY:  Yeah. Which the film interestingly chose to set aside in favor of which hot boy do I want. Now if the film chose to set that aside in favor of which hot boy do I want? But also, do the hot boys want each other? Perfect. It it's so much better because which hot boy do I want would absolutely take over your life in place of that PTSD from-- ROWAN:  From the Hunger Games. CORRY:  --getting rid all of those kids. Yeah. ROWAN:  This is very much reminding me of you know those puzzles where there's a shape and then in the shape, there are triangles. And it's like how many triangles in this shape? And at first-- CORRY:  Yeah. ROWAN:  --I think there's just one triangle and then there's so many more. I feel like this is like there's so many combinations you could go to because we're only talking right now about Edward, Bella and Jacob or Katniss, Gale and Peeta. But you could have Katniss, Gale, Peeta, Edward, Bella and Jacob. CORRY:  That's I've got I've got one I've got I've got one who like all the stops. ROWAN:  Okay, take me-- CORRY:  A Midsummer Night's Dream. ROWAN:  Huh. CORRY:  Boom. Every single person falling in love with every single other person across gender lines. ROWAN:  Incredible. CORRY:  And then ending up together in the end. Wow. Perfect. Even get Bottom in there. Amazing. ROWAN:  He, yeah, obviously. I doubt there was no question that the that Bottom was going to be part of his equation. But Bottom human or or Bottom donkey? CORRY:  I think the top was donkey, the bottom was human. ROWAN:  There we go. It's all-- CORRY:  Right? ROWAN:  --all of the above. This, this is making a lot of sense to me. To be honest, I kind of wanted to find some kind of hole in your argument. But ultimately, it's just making sense to me. And I think that as well, because you you added in there polyamory I feel like that adds another level to it. Which I only appreciate more. You know what I mean? Like this is all this is all making sense. Okay, I guess here's a counter argument. Are we tired of love triangles all together? Is there a hotter take where we just take love triangles off the table? CORRY:  I thought this, I'm glad that you've said this. Because I've got argument number three. ROWAN:  Hit me. CORRY:  Which is, I think a direct answer to this. The reason that love triangles are boring. We don't want love triangles anymore. It's because there's no stakes. It's which pretty boy will you choose? Which pretty girl will you choose? Non-binary people don't come into this because non-binary people aren't in films. But if if we have every character in a love triangle be bisexual, there are more stakes. Because of the two things I've said already. The more interactions and more outcomes. There's more at stake here. There's more to lose, there's more to gain. It's way more interesting. It's way more exciting. The only reason love triangles are boring though is because we've got to see which which straight couple is going to be straight. But if they could all end up together, perfect resolution, everyone's happy and no one sad. It's so much better. ROWAN:  Have you seen this particular hot taken action before? Do you have any examples of love triangles that you've seen? Where we you know, this is a theory right now, you're a science boy, from what I remember of science when I did to do it as a child, you got a hypothesis and you've got to test it. Do we have any examples currently or is this new waters that we're entering with this concept? CORRY:  I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say the first Scooby Doo film is an example of this. I choose to believe that the Mystery Gang they are not they are not simply four friends. They are a polycule. They're they're a little group of polyamorous pals hanging out together solving mysteries. ROWAN:  So, far be it for me to question. The additional hot take you've added on to this one with the theory that the Scooby gang are in fact a polyamorous like quadrant and dog. What evidence Have you bought to me to to say that this is happening? And this is this is working as a relationship as a love square. CORRY:  I'm going to be honest, Rowan it's just vibes. It's just it's pure vibes. ROWAN:  And you know what that is the heart of Queer Cinema. To be honest, Corry, vibes is what we had for a very long time. We've only really had solid evidence for a short few decades. And so in in this court of Queer Cinema, vibes do count as evidence. CORRY:  Fantastic. I'm so glad, have I have I convinced you? Do I win? Have I have I won? ROWAN:  I wish I had some kind of sound effects to like a bell or something that could be like ding, ding, you've won. Yes, I fully already was on board. As soon as you said it. I I also think that this would be much more interesting. And I feel like this is a an immediate sell for me. If if someone was to come up to me and say, "Hey, read this book. It's got a love triangle. But it's a proper triangle". It's not just like an angle. CORRY:  Exactly. ROWAN:  Without a third line joining the the last two points. It is a full triangle. I'm there. I don't have to know anything else about the book like I'm intrigued. So yeah you already had me and and giving me those arguments giving those examples hinging it on Twilight, a bold move, but I think it paid off in the end because it is such a classic love triangle that I think could only be improved by the bold decision to not have one of them be in love with a fetus. So that that-- CORRY:  Good Lord. ROWAN:  -- completely convinced. Ding ding ding. Would you like to bring me hot take number two? If on the hot on the hottakeometer. Is this spicier? Is this hotter? CORRY:  Yeah, I think this is, you know, I think it's increasing in levels of spice, you know-- ROWAN:  Love that. CORRY:  It definitely in levels of my own personal spice. We're going to we're going to be getting very heated towards the end. This this-- ROWAN:  I'm excited. CORRY:  --little one. I think it's a little bit hotter. In fact, I'm I'm so bold that I've included only a single single argument because I am so confident with this one. ROWAN:  Oh, wow. So listeners at home when I sent Corry the sort of instructions for preparing for this episode. I did say that he could try and convince me in three arguments or less. Now I was kind of thinking that he was going to prepare the three arguments. And then I might just be like, Nope, we only needed that one. It was good enough. But he everyone is so confident in this next hot take. It's only going to take one argument to persuade me and assumably you at home as well. Corry, take it away. CORRY:  Call Me By Your Name, the tentpole groundbreaking gay film of the summer, is not a gay film. ROWAN:  Huh. Everyone, pause for a moment to absorb that when me and Jazza conceived of this format. Truly, we could not have predicted the wild sentences that we're about to come our way from our first guest. Okay, you know what? I've I've absorbed it. I'm I'm I'm ruminating, my brain is going. Hit me with your one and only argument. CORRY:  The characters are not gay. ROWAN:  Okay, so, Corry. CORRY:  Let me elaborate. ROWAN:  For those for those at home who haven't seen this movie or or you know, somehow aren't familiar with it. Can you take us through the plot? Like what is what is this movie about? That might make people assume that these were gay characters? CORRY:  Well, for one thing, there is an awful lot of gay kissing, and sex. But I I I I still maintain that these characters are not gay. So let's use the actor's names because it's much easier for everyone to picture. So Armie Hammer and Timothée Chalamet are two men, two bros. Timothée Chalamet, he lives with his parents. They've gone to Italy for the summer. And Armie Hammer comes to you know, work with his dad, I think, I assume. And then they hit it off, there's there's a few sparks of love. And they start getting together, and it's a lovely time. And by the end, Armie Hammer has to go back home to America and ends up ending his relationship with Timothée Chalamet. And we find out at the end, that Armie Hammer has a wife that he's going to get married to. Very interesting. ROWAN:  Mmm. CORRY:  And also in the beginning Timothée Chalamet, he has a girlfriend. ROWAN:  Okay, so we have the background info. Give us the reasoning. CORRY:  So the reasoning here is, I think fairly simple. Everyone's called it, "Oh, it's the it's the gay film". Because the main sort of relationship of the film is two men. And so saying that that is a homosexual relationship is, it's kind of true. But also, everyone is very ready to invalidate the fact that at least one of the main characters seems somewhat enthusiastically attracted to women. ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  Right? So Timothée Chalamet, his character, has a girlfriend at at the beginning and has sex with her. And not in a sense of like, "Oh, gosh, I hope no one finds out my secret. I hope no one knows that I'm that I'm a big old gay". He seems happy enough with it, he seems good to go. I don't think there's any reason to assume that he is not attracted to women, just because he's attracted to a man. And, you know, obviously Armie Hammer's character at the end spoilers, I'm sorry. Those end up with a woman. Now. I think that's maybe a little bit more reluctant. But still, there is nothing sort of, as far as I'm aware explicitly in the film to suggest that these characters are both entirely gay men. And so I think saying that it's a gay film. It's not true, it's not true. And also, I really feel like the experiences are far more bisexual than they are anything else. Boom. ROWAN:  You know what? You you came out very controversially. CORRY:  I did. ROWAN:  You did a little twist in there. Because for a second, I was like, How is this boy going to convince me that that peach scene was straight? But you didn't do that at all-- CORRY:  Well we all know what a peach emoji it's supposed to represent, right? ROWAN:  True Love and romance only. Yeah. You you this is this is. So confession time, everyone. And I can't believe I must do this on a podcast literally called the Queer Movie Podcast. I have not seen Call Me By Your Name. CORRY:  Wow, I-- ROWAN:  Yeah. CORRY:  --didn't know that you hated bisexual men so much. ROWAN:  Yeah, it's it's it's been a real struggle for me. And I'm really coming to terms with it now live on the air. Yeah, I just there was just something about Timothée Chalamet, Armie Hammer, age gap romance that just wasn't calling me by any name. And I, so I haven't, I haven't done it. And there was part of me that kind of just assumed that at some point, we would do it for the podcast or for the watch alongs that we do on the discord. And that that would be the point at which I would watch it because I didn't know whether I would be able to do it. Sort of through my own volition on my own time. CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  But this is, from what I understand about the movie, this makes a whole lot of sense. And, you know, we're all it's all fun and games on the hot take show. But also, this is kind of an interesting point about the idea of bisexuality being kind of a raised from a lot of these discussions that something gets labeled as like a gay movie, or a gay classic or something like that. And I think it kind of does a disservice to both kind of communities, both identities that you have this real erasure of bisexuality at all from that kind of narrative around the movie. But then you also have gay people who are watching a movie where it's like, oh, this, this also isn't me like this is this is actually not for bi people, but this, this character is bisexual. And this is kind of been not marketed wrong. But like the discussion around it seems to be kind of lacking, and and not quite what what anyone was expecting. So that makes a lot of sense to me. CORRY:  Yeah, I mean, the thing is, you say marketing, which I think it is, in part, it is marketing. But also, I feel like everyone that watches it as well. But I mean, not to not to have a go at the gays. But even the community watching it will talk about it as the gay film, which is interesting, because I think, especially because this is about two men, you have this whole thing where men can't experiment with other men. Men can't show any interest in another man in any way without being labeled as gay. ROWAN:  Mmm. CORRY:  And bisexuality for a man is generally a case of, well, you're really gay, but you're just hiding it, you know? ROWAN:  Uh-hmm. CORRY:  So and it it's interesting to see it even come in, in this sense of, oh, well, this is a film where the characters seem to quite explicitly be interested in both men and women. But we're gonna call it gay anyway. And I will understand if it didn't come into the plot, but the girlfriend is a fair part of sort of Ello's story as a character. And the sort of fiancee turned wife for Armie Hammer is a major, major thing that happens at the end of the film. So it's interesting to me that we we kind of very much ignore that for I guess, maybe more simple story of these two characters are our gay boys and love, both gay boy and gay men in love. ROWAN:  Yeah, that does make a lot of sense. I think that what you said about the idea of for bisexual men, there's this assumption of like, oh, you're really gay. And I think that for bisexual women, there is this idea of like, oh, you're really straight, but you just like to experiment a bit like it's just a bit of a double-- CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  --and I think both of those are, you know, tie with the idea that being attracted to men is the priority and that everything else is going to be   surplus to requirement, which you know, not a thing. But there we go. CORRY:  As a man, as a man, I think being attracted to at least man is very important. Me, me being attracted to me is very, very important-- ROWAN:  For everyone. CORRY:  So for everyone, yes, I I would very much like to exist as an attractive being across all set lines of sexuality, you know, so I I can I can understand the patriarchy goal there. To--you can I can empathize with that. But no, no, seriously it is, it is really interesting as well, because I I think it also comes into how we describe those relationships in terms of, we've got homosexual relationships, which could include to people that aren't homosexual-- ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  --technically, you know, and I think it's, I think it's just not necessarily bad or problematic. It's just an interesting and sometimes frustrating quirk of the language that-- ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  --we use, you know. ROWAN:  I was gonna say, yeah, that language quirk of, how do you refer to things? Like, what are you trying to make clear, right? Like within this. CORRY:  Hmm. ROWAN:  Are you trying to make your own identity clear? Or the relationship between two people like, how do you describe a a bisexual relationship? When one person's bi, when two people are bi, when it's different genders, same genders. Like I think that that there's not necessarily expansive enough language for that-- CORRY:  Hmm. ROWAN:  --to be like, immediately obvious from like one word, and it does have to be more complex. And maybe people are just bad at being complex. And it's a lot easier to just kind of use that use the slightly wrong word that says what you want to say about this relationship, which, you know, for people talking about Call Me By Your Name  is like, "Hey, gay, look look, we get some some gay" CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  Even if that's not actually accurate. CORRY:  Yeah, well, isn't it seen as gay rep. But it's it's, I don't think it really is gay representation, you know. I I do think it's just interesting. I I mean, personally, I think that if it is two bisexual people in a relationship, that that relationship isn't that relationship isn't a gay relationship necessarily, you know. ROWAN:  Or a straight one. CORRY:  Or a straight one, yeah. Which is, I think, an issue, I think it's a bisexual relationship relationship. ROWAN:  Uh-hmm. CORRY:  And I definitely think that when is two bisexual people, when if it's a bisexual person, the gay person or bisexual person, the straight person, it's a slightly different story. But when it's to bisexual people, I genuinely think that affect the relationship in a fairly unique way. But yeah, and also, I'm going to put it out there, just in case anyone's gonna come at me. My brain side has tried to tell me there, Come At Me By Your Name, if anyone tries to come at me by your name. Yes, the characters could also be pansexual, or any other kind of polysexual. I'm going to leave that one up to you. But yeah, no, Call Me By Your Name, It's not a gay film. I've had that inside me since it came out. And I've not been I've not had an outlet for it. So thank you very much for for giving me that. ROWAN:  I'm so glad I could give it to you. I did want to also this is not necessarily about Call Me By Your Name, but because I think it's not quite you kind of hinted at the idea of maybe there being some, not necessarily coercion, but not necessarily enthusiastic relationship at the end for one of the characters with a woman. CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  And, you know, it wasn't so long ago that people were essentially like, forced into relationships that were straight relationships, if they were gay. How do you think about those sort of historic narratives? Or whether that's fictional or I guess, with with real people, where we do have this complicated relationship between you know, was this person bisexual? Because it was a woman who seemed to have relationships with women but married a man? Or can we label them as gay? Like, what what is your thoughts? I know, we're going slightly on a tangent here, but I do think it's kind of relevant-- CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  --on like, can we label anyone in history in that way? Like, do do we know anything? For sure if we, if they didn't necessarily have the language to describe it. Like how do you as, as a bisexual person, kind of find bisexual people in history to feel like there's, you know, some kind of connection to or affiliation with or anything like that? Or is it is it not possible? Is it is it more of sort of like a nebulous queerness in history that, that we can't really map onto today's ideas of identity? CORRY:  Yeah, I think you, honestly, I think you hit the nail on the head with that last one. But I do have to say that us going on a tangent. Wow, who would have thought we do that? ROWAN:  I know. So out of character-- CORRY:  Never once happened. Yeah, so no, I think that in in terms of sort of looking back through history, unless someone was is is explicitly described themselves in some way, yeah, I don't think you can apply on modern conceptions. Because even looking back not even 100 years ago, you have people describing themselves as transexual. Whereas now that's kind of out of fashion today. And there's a bunch of different words, some of which, honestly, I don't even necessarily want to use on this podcast. ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  Because I don't want to be too, too spicy. But there were words that people explicitly use to describe themselves, whereas nowadays, we might call them trans or we might call them non-binary. Or we might use any other kind of word that, you know, that's the thing. And this was like 50, 60 years ago, oh, wait no more than 50, 60 years ago. Because time continues to move forwards. But you know, less than 100 years ago, let's say, that these words were entirely different. So if you're, if we're going to look back through history, even to you know, sort of 100, 200 years ago, it becomes really, really difficult to sort of accurately use our own terms to apply to other people. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's actually terribly important to find representation of specific identities throughout history because ultimately specific identities it doesn't. It doesn't matter in that context, all that matters is this person wasn't straight or cisgender in some way, they sort of broke those normal societal conventions. In that sense, their specific identity is sort of not hugely relevant, so long as it's not, it it wasn't that relevant to themselves, you know. Because then we get into the whole issue of erasing anything that is not inherently binary, you know. ROWAN:  Mmm. CORRY:  Which is an issue in and of itself. Although if you do want to look back and see, I don't know a lady pirate that loved other lady pirates and say she was a lesbian pirate. I think that's ultimately fine. You're not really harming anyone, they're all dead, it's it's good. They're not going to be too wound up. But-- ROWAN:  And also if they were, like, if if here's-- CORRY:  Yup ROWAN:  --the thing though, if they were wound up about it, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. That a hot lesbian pirate ghost now wants vengeance on me. Like that, I'm not gonna lie Corry like that's almost the dream. CORRY:  Rowan, what are you doing after this? I think we have a spec script we need to write about a hot lesbian pirate haunting some. It's like-- ROWAN:  We're on it. Sorry guys, we're gonna end the podcast early because me and Corry need to make millions with this genius idea. CORRY:  Haunting to lovers story. ROWAN:  Oh my-- CORRY:  I love it. ROWAN:  --God.   [26:32] [Transition Music to ADS]   ROWAN:   Dear listener, I have a question for you. Would you like to raise money while procrastinating online? This isn't some magical dream world this is an actual thing that you can do with tab for a cause. 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And I actually struggled to find what exactly my hot take was, because I had to make sure that I'd be able to get through all of it in the allotted time. So I have I have come up with this single sentence. Everybody's Talking About Jamie is a bad film that exists to exploit and pander to cis white men, and straight people that are liberal, but find gays fun and cool. ROWAN:  You packed it into that sentence, okay. So for for anyone who doesn't know, Everybody's Talking About Jamie, it was originally a musical in the West End. And it recently got an adaptation on film, which is pretty accurate to the to the stage musical actually. It's they've kind of swapped-- CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  --some songs around. But in generally, it's, it's there's not any kind of like, different ending to sending or anything like that. It's it's essentially it's like based on a true story. And it's about a boy and boy in England, who wants to become a drag queen. He's like 16 years old, it's his dream. And it's kind of him following his dream, and the pitfalls and the triumphs along the way. So very, very classic, kind of like British clash of cultures type movie like Billy Elliot, but more gay vibes, in terms of like the overall kind of foundations of of what the movie is trying to do. So Corry, hit me with your reasoning behind that extremely long sentence hot take that you just gave. CORRY:  Okay. So I think what I'll start with is the white men part. So I've said that it exists to sort to exploit and pander to cis white men, and let's say, liberal allies, in quotes. And the the white part is the very obvious thing of between the stage musical and the film, they changed the main character to white again. So initially, in the stage played, the character was white, because the real person is white. And then they had a good run of casting mixed race actors in this role, which was interesting, because otherwise, you know, other than a, you know, a couple of sort of, I think, two Asian characters. It's a very, it's a very white story. So this was an interesting little thing. But when they transitioned to the screen, they decided to remove that added little bit of diversity. And I I wonder why perhaps that a white face is a little bit more marketable to your target audience of liberal allies, and this white gay men who really seemed to see themselves in this story. ROWAN:  Yeah, so this is this is totally true. They had this lead character who was based on like, the actual Jamie. And then they kind of did this casting that wasn't just for one run, right? Like, I feel like there's been like two or three mixed race guys like in the role. CORRY:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And it wasn't just like a one off stunt casting kind of thing. CORRY:  It almost I would say, honestly, to the point where it was one of those things that it it kind of became a part of the role to an extent, you know. And it was, for me, it was interesting, because if you've, if you've seen the film, if you've seen the musical, you know, that the father, the dad, is very much kind of a macho man, he likes the football, and he just wants his son to be his son. He doesn't want his son to be weird and away with the fairies and you know, dressing up like a lady and all that and all that nonsense. Which I think having a black father in that role was a really interesting, it could be like, you know, even though it's a very minor role, it was an interesting little exploration of that sort of masculinity that is sort of pervasive in black men, the inability to sort of even reconcile with some kind of homosexuality. That was interesting to me that added like a nice little element to it. And I think that's what's important about sort of adding diversity in that way. That you can do it as a lateral move, you can do it if it doesn't add anything, you just want to add diversity, that is fine. That is an okay thing to do. But it is far better when you add some kind of diversity to it, you add an added identity, and it elevates by adding something new for example, making Harry Potter mixed race would add to the character in a really interesting way. I won't get into it right now. ROWAN:  I But I fully agree with you there. I to the point-- CORRY:  [34:26] ROWAN:  --where sometimes I I look at like, I read fan, Harry Potter fanfic, I know I'm a terrible person still but like, I'll read Harry Potter fanfiction or look at fan art. And there'll be a moment where I'm like, they will say something that makes it clear like in the fanfiction that this Harry is white and for a second. I'm like, wait, what? And then I'm like, oh, because yeah, he is he he is in the books. CORRY:  Yeah. ROWAN:  I kind of forgot that for a minute. Because it's it's so people have people the fandom of like, basically, it's been like, okay, Joanne, like, sure. We're just gonna do the better version of this and I fully support it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense that there's these these elements in the story that kind of get improved. And I do think that because they did make minor but some changes, they also potentially had the opportunity within the movie to say, "Okay, we originally wrote this role about this white boy. And we changed the casting and it kind of changed maybe the interpretation or the look of it", but like, what would it mean to actually change it for a mixed race character? Like, was there anything that would have been added? Or would have been interesting to add that would have liked further that even more? CORRY:  Yeah, well, I mean, so obviously, as I mentioned, the character of the father, but Jamie himself is obviously breaking sort of boundaries of gender, to an extent, and again, has that sort of relationship with his father. And he's also got a whole issue of not really knowing where he belongs, and not having a sort of place that he could fit in and be himself. And I think that obviously, very, very easily slots into mixed race characters, you know. When you've got a character that feels like they don't fit in making the mixed race can, you know, often add another element to that. Add an interesting element that kind of goes along with that. And, yeah, it's just interesting, because I feel like it we we've gotten to a point now, and the film seems to be set in 2020 or 2021. You know, in this in this sort of decade, we're at a point now, where, generally drag is not as sort of groundbreaking as it was a decade ago when this story actually happened. And so it's kind of hard to believe, watching this film, that this white gay kid, this, this white gay kid is so groundbreaking, just because he enjoys a little bit of drag, you know, and so adding in almost a sort of racism element to it, as well, because then, you know, the bully character that is bullying him, you know, Jamie and his and his friend, is bullying, basically, the two of the sort of non white characters in the play in the musical rather, which is interesting, right? You add that sort of racism element, because the bullying isn't just about the character being gay, it's about him and his friend not being white. And also he's gay. It's just that added little thing there. It makes it I think, a little bit more believable. And ultimately, I think we've had a lot, like quite a lot of stories about gay white men, you know, not that we've had a lot of stories about gay people, but a lot of the stories about gay people have been about white men. I mean, Moonlight is the only real, like, major example of here's a story about gay people that isn't about white men. And that was marketed specifically as that as a deviation from that norm, you know. So I think if we're going to talk about this film as being groundbreaking and being the major this major story, this, this this sort of tentpole movie, we need to try a little harder and make it a little bit different from what's come before, you know. ROWAN:  Yeah, that makes make sense. CORRY:  And I think, you know, I'm not going back on the race of the sort of new race of the character. Makes sense for that. ROWAN:  Yeah, you, there we go. Tick, tick, tick. Reason number two, do you have another another argument? CORRY:  Oh, boy, I've got I've got really three solid arguments here. ROWAN:  Okay. Okay, I'm ready. CORRY:  So I've explained the sort of white part of this, and I want to explain why it's pandering to sort of cis men here. There is a line that is repeated a number of times throughout the film, a boy in a dress is something to be laughed at. A drag queen is something to be feared, is paraphrase the key point there is a boy in a dress or something to be laughed at. Now, that to someone who is entirely entirely unaware of trans and non binary people, or even just gender non conforming people is absolutely is absolutely a fair thing to say. And to be fair, at the end of the film, Jamie does show up in a dress as a boy in a dress. But the amount of times that it's explicitly said that a boy in a dress is something to be laughed at. The fact that it's not explicitly said otherwise at the end of the film, is just it's not it's not necessarily great. I think it's very easy to come away with the message that a boy addresses something to be laughed at. And Jamie was very brave for coming for coming to his prom as a boy in a dress, you know? ROWAN: Mmm. CORRY:  I I think honestly this comes down to the film just I say the film is bad. I think the film is muddled in its messaging, its character arcs don't make sense. Jamie is a very confident person who then does drag and decides that drag is what makes him confident and he's not confident not as not in drag when that's not at all what we've seen throughout the film. The film is very heavy handed in some ways. And so I think that if if you say explicitly a boy, a boy in a dress or something to be laughed at, and you're heavy handed in all other ways, I don't think you can leave it down to subtext at the end of the film to kind of go back on that, you know. ROWAN:  Okay, so here's the thing with your first hot take. I was already with you-- CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --with your second hot take. I was like I do not know enough about this movie to necessarily have an opinion on the offset. With this third one. CORRY:  Yeah. ROWAN:  I reasonably enjoyed this movie. Like I've seen I really liked the musical, I've seen the musical and I was like yeah, this is fine. It did it did kind of suffer in my head from like stage acting on screen like a lot of the script and stuff was-- CORRY:  Yeah, oh God-- ROWAN:  --it was scripted, made. sense for onstage because on stage, you kind of do a little bit more expositionie, didacticiel stuff. And it sort of works-- CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --because it's quite stylized. But when it's in a movie, it just feels very heavy handed. And so there was just an element of that where it's like, oh, I can forgive that, like, it's fine. I will say, with this, this hot take that you're bringing right now, you're kind of persuading me-- CORRY:  Ohh. ROWAN:  --because I I hadn't really thought about that line in terms of like its implications. CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  Because I was like, so aware of the, like you said, like already kind of knew all of the stuff around like, actually that's not true. And like, this is clearly a lesson that's gonna be learned and blah, blah, blah. But you're right, like it doesn't explicitly, then counter it in a in a strong enough way at the end. CORRY:  Yeah, ultimately, I see this film as being generally and I know, and I I have friends that enjoy it that are outside of this group that I'm talking about, you know. So I don't don't take this as me saying this, I see a lot of people enjoying this film. And that's me saying these are the only people who enjoy this film. But we'll see a lot of people enjoy this film seem to be the kind of guys that would be on Grindr saying no fats, no fems, no blacks ROWAN:  Mmm. CORRY:  You know, that absolutely seems to be the kind of they'd be happy doing that. Or rather, you know, probably note, no fat, no black, no Asian, does that sort of thing. Because there is this kind of racism, and this kind of, I guess, I mean, transphobia, that is deep seated in a particular part of the gay community. And this film, it it talks about breaking gender, but only through the medium of drag. And it's really interesting, because it doesn't even get the medium of drag, right? This is not this is not one of my arguments, I'm sorry, this is just something that really woke me up. It doesn't get the medium of drag, right? Jamie doesn't focus at all on his performance. He doesn't do his own makeup, he doesn't do his own hair. He buys a dress, sure, but it's not a dress that he's picked out, or a dress that he's made himself. He does absolutely nothing. We don't see Jamie practicing his dances, or practicing his lip syncing or perhaps practicing any form of artistry whatsoever, he just wants to wear a dress. And I think that's just a complete misunderstanding of what drag is generally. And it is just really interesting that it seems to be written from it seems to be written from an outside perspective, entirely. It's it's so it's baffling to me that this this film seems to be so just almost wrong about its subject matter. I think the reason that it that it sort of so many people enjoy it. And you've said the best thing there, by the way, is that you can forgive this, you can forgive that. I think the reason people forgive so much of the the knock great stuff in this film, the stuff that you know, in any other film, you'd be like, Oh, this is a bad film. The reason that's forgiven is because there is this slight sort of emotional core to Jamie's character that is kind of explicitly said throughout the film, rather than being implicit, or there in any other sense of, I am the only gay person in my school. And this is new to everyone, and no one knows how to act. And it's very difficult for me, and I think that's something that resonates with people that are maybe it's my age or older. But with the with the youths now they everyone is everyone seems to be queer, you know, I mean. And you've got the Internet where you can find that family, it seems that this is this is sort of reaching to a slightly older audience who are willing to look past all of the stuff that is sort of not great about the film. Because it feels like it's telling their story, explicitly the fact that Jamie is an awful selfish character that really no one should like at all. If you actually look at what Jamie does in the film, awful person, but people overlook that because they're not thinking about Jamie as a character. They're thinking, I'm gonna put myself in this character's shoes, because this character feels like me, you know? ROWAN:  Yeah, this is slowly becoming a call out podcast Corry-- CORRY:  I'm so sorry. ROWAN:  I'd be really interested to know like, what young people now think of this because I I'm not entirely convinced that it's like, a gay haven out there for it all the queers are just like partying it up in their high schools, I have a feeling that there's probably a lot of young people who who do kind of resonate with that, that feeling of being the only person. CORRY:  Abso--I don't mean to give the idea that every single kid nowadays is in school and is able to be out and proud. What I mean is that there is much more now, a possibility of finding that family online. ROWAN:  Mmm. CORRY:  So while you can still have that feeling of school, you're not necessarily feeling like you need to hide yourself from everyone. Like you've got no family, like you need to find a sort of drag queens shop in the middle of Sheffield in order to have that acceptance. That that's all I mean, it it just the film feels dated, I think, because it is set now, you know, with with just the sort of phone that they're using the fact that people want to be YouTube stars, and they're filming Instagram story, videos and whatnot. It's just having it set quite explicitly now, makes it feel very dated and kind of stilted I think. ROWAN:  Do you think it would have been improved if they'd have set it when this originally happened? If it had been like a slightly 10, 20 years ago kind of vibe? CORRY:  Yeah, I think if they went 10 years ago, and they really hammered that home, and really went in more to I think the fact that Jamie has no one to connect with outside of this. That would have really been better, because we kind of got to not believe that that RuPaul has been on the air for, for for years, you know, and that drag has become something that everyone is kind of aware of no. I mean, obviously everyone was aware of drag before, but it's become something that's much more normalized, you know. You've got to put a lot of side to sort of believe and enjoy this film, I think. And you were saying, you know, about sort of what young people think of this, I I ran a poll on my Instagram, and I have a varying range of people. But it was 47% of people said they liked it, 53% of people said they hated it. Which I thought was quite interesting, it was much more split, I thought I was going to be in the minority here. But just a very slight majority, they're just very interesting, you know. I've got a third point, but it is a very, very quick and easy point. That's, that's just really to put a little cherry on top of the cake. I said that it's pandering. And I want to sort of qualify that the reason that's pandering and not sort of actually, in support of what it's talking about, is the fact that they've got Richard E. Grant playing the older drag queen, when literally any, any other British drag queen could have done it. Now granted, Richard E. Grant gives the best performance of the film, is absolutely fantastic. But to cast, a straight man to play a character whose entire point in the story is to be a queer elder, and who has an entire song talking about sort of the beginnings of pride in the AIDS epidemic, it just feels very, very hollow, to go for a kind of big name, British actor, instead of going for anyone that's actually, you know, queer, and could bring a sort of truth to that character. And again, sorry, Richard E. Grant did a fantastic job. I best best best performance from from any of the cast, from any of the cast. I'm just frustrated that that came from someone that I don't think should have been cast in the role. You know, you could have cast any older queen, you could have cast anyone that is queer themselves that could have brought that element to the character from having actually experienced it. Which I think in a meta sense, watching the film would have given it more wait, it would have felt like, oh, well, we're not bringing up the AIDS epidemic. We're not bringing up the beginnings of pride in a sort of pandering sense. Look, this is someone that actually experienced it, we're aware and we're doing the work to make sure that this film is about queer people and is by queer people. You know, it just very much feels like pandering given that they they gave that role to someone who is a straight man, specifically a straight man that said that straight people shouldn't take gay roles not too long ago. ROWAN:  Yeah, that does seem like it's feels slightly contradictory and it and as well, because it's obviously you don't you know, have to be gay to be a drag queen. But the character is explicitly gay in it as well as like a not necessarily explicitly sad, but it's like very obvious that he's had a partner who's died and like that's part of kind of the implications about his his character. And so yes, that does make sense. So if you were to try and salvage Jamie, is is Jamie salvageable for you? Is this something where you could change some some little bits and make it work? Or do you just think it's not? It's not a vibe, CORRY:  I think it's salvageable, but it would have to be quite the overhaul, the--there is a decent story in there, the story of someone who lacks confidence, I think, ultimately, it could be. Okay, if you want to make just one change to make Jamie a much, much better film, I think that you need to change the character of Jamie to not be a selfish person, or have that be his arc, right? He's a selfish person who isn't very confident. And the reason that he's so self-centered, is a defense for that, for that lack of confidence. And through the medium of drag, he finds confidence and realizes that he's that he treats people very poorly, and becomes a better person in the end, who is a well-rounded person who focuses on their art, you know. So you just change the character of Jamie from a little princess to someone that actually really really cares about their craft, you know. ROWAN:  I think that they got away with him not didn't get away with it, but I think they were kind of thinking that they got away with him not practicing his craft, because it is a musical and therefore you're like, oh, yeah, he's singing it's dancing. Like that's how it's but that's not like he's he's never singing and dancing in reality, like in the musical to do the practice. CORRY:  Yup. ROWAN:  There's no like, kind of practice song. There's like the ones on the house with the the other drag queens but it's not like a we're practicing song. It's like we're hyping you up as we do your makeup song, which is maybe could have had a little little edit to it to make it so that he actually does like a reasoning and I was really hoping so they they do add a song in this musical. They change out a song in the original stage musical. CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  Which is the Legend of Loco Chanel, which is just like a really classic like fantasy sequence song. CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  That's, you know, very dramatic and is the story of the kind of drag queen persona of Richard E. Grant's character. They've replaced that, as Corry mentioned earlier with a song that's about like queer history, which I thought was a really interesting change and I wish they pushed what Jamie learned from that more. They kind of had like one line where he talks to Priti about it, and then it doesn't necessarily go anywhere else. CORRY:  Sorry, can I just that one line is, they had to fight for it, it was really hard for them, it was really, really hard for them. That's that that's the whole vibe of that one-- ROWAN:  The vibe. CORRY:  --line. ROWAN:  And I think like there was an element of like, oh, yeah, actually, this kind of felt like super more modern, young people who-- CORRY:  Mmm. ROWAN:  --haven't, they've grown up with rights, to to-- CORRY:  Yeah. ROWAN:  --for lack of a better way of saying it. Like they weren't growing up in in a time when, for example, I was growing up as someone who I'm sure that the TikTok teenagers would refer to as a queer elder, at 29 years old, but I was like growing up, like knowing that I was never going to get married, that I was like-- CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --only just been allowed to adopt children that I would like all of these things were were happening as I was growing up. And it was there was this moment of like, oh, yeah, actually, that probably is the reaction. Because there there's, if you've not been taught about this stuff in school, and if you've not grown up knowing that you are not equal. At what point do you start to be like, I wonder what it was like back in the day, I wonder when it changed, because you've not necessarily been living through any change yourself. And I wish that they push that further. Like, that seems like such an interesting kind of place to be in for a young person today. CORRY:  Yeah, I think I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It really is, it is a very genuine reaction. I think what's quite funny to me, is that the film doesn't seem interested in it. The film itself seems to want to pay lip service to it. They added that song because they want people to talk about the fact that what we're doing right now, they want people to talk about the fact that they included the queer history, they want people to go, oh, wow, this, this struggle of the gays, look at that. I'm an ally, you struggled so much, I feel like that's the intent behind it, rather than to actually highlight anything of note or worth. Because Jamie has a character, you could say that he's maybe spurred on by it, but there was nothing holding him back before before then really. ROWAN:  Hmm. CORRY:  He he doesn't seem interested in it. And and therefore the film doesn't seem interesting in itself. So it it it is interesting, that that's why it feels like pandering to me, you know. Because they have that song there, but they don't want to cast someone that you know, really kind of fits that role properly. They don't want the main character to do more than give a single line about it, they don't want to explore it, they just want to almost pay lip service to it. And that's why I think that Jamie is a bad film that exists just to exploit to exploit and pander to cis white gay men, and also liberal allies. ROWAN:  So Corry, I think we've kind of reached the end of your three hot takes that did-- CORRY:  Uh-hmm. ROWAN:  --indeed increase in spice as you went along. I'm gonna say this was a absolutely storming out of the gate. First episode three out of three, I'm convinced of all three of them. You made some incredible arguments, especially with that last one where I was I was very much on the fence. And I feel like you've tipped me over. And now I'm I just have this image of like, a better version of that movie that just includes all of the little things that you said to change. And it's like, oh, frustrating. And I think that potentially, like the, the answer to a lot of these kind of hot takes that you've brought in is like just more, just more queer movies with kind of queer people at the helm or involved in the process like thoughtfully included within within it. And then it won't it won't necessarily be no worthy of like, oh, this film has been praised more than it should have been or anything like that, because it it won't be praised more than it should have been. Because there will be alternatives that are better and people won't be kind of having to like it because it's the only thing they've seen that has a a you know British film of that gay teenager in it. It's it's not the the only thing that there can they've got. Congratulations, I do not have any prize for you, except for the knowledge that you have changed my mind. And I believe that's probably prize enough. CORRY:  I'll tell you what, this this pride of having one is prized enough for me. ROWAN:  Love. Very well done. 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With Kelsey Brasil, Sabrina Guzman Skotnitsky, and Brennan Strandberg-Salmon How can post-secondary institutions better support students who are seeking meaningful work in the green economy? What can government-funded programs do to ensure that access to stepping-stone jobs is equitable? Is a youth climate corps a viable option? Where in the private sector are we seeing exciting green innovations? In Part 2 (of 2) of our roundtable with three Gen-Z youths, we answered these questions and more (while still finding time for a half-way decent tech pun). Guests: Kelsey Brasil is Project Manager at Efficiency Canada. Originally from Ontario, she fell in love with Halifax studying Sustainability and Planning at Dalhousie University and has made a second home on the east coast. Prior to joining us, Kelsey managed Efficiency Nova Scotia's community outreach program, Green Schools NS — connecting students to energy-efficiency behaviours they can adopt to protect our Earth. Energy efficiency quickly became a career focus once she saw the ways it empowers youth to take action, helps Canadians save money and afford their bills, and brings solutions to the climate crisis.  There are many youths doing inspiring work in the energy-efficiency space — check out their stories here. Kelsey is a passionate change-maker with a love for meaningful connections and partnerships. Through her initiative Let's Sprout, she designs programming to help folks reimagine the world and demand action towards social and environmental justice. In her free time, you can find Kelsey in the woods camping, rock climbing, or playing guitar and singing her favourite tunes to the ocean. Sabrina Guzman Skotnitsky is a climate justice advocate, researcher, and youth consultant in Vancouver on unceded Coast Salish territory. Sabrina has campaigned for fossil fuel divestment, a Canadian Green New Deal, and most recently a green recovery from COVID-19. She authored the report Build Back Better: Expanding Green Jobs for Youth Post-Pandemic, which advocates for more inclusive and diverse federal green job programs. Sabrina works as the Director of Sustainability and Impact-Driven Work at the Emerging Youth Consultancy (EYC). Brennan Strandberg-Salmon is a third-year Bachelor of Environment student at Simon Fraser University, majoring in Resource and Environmental Management. As a youth environmental leader, he initiates efforts to improve the environment, including youth-led climate action, stream stewardship, environmental education, and other efforts. He recruits and manages volunteers, organizes and promotes events, and advises on youth engagement activities for volunteer organizations. Since 2019 he has coordinated policy and research projects for the Climate Change Branch of the British Columbia Council for International Cooperation (BCCIC). Past green jobs of his include Water Efficiency Advisor for the City of Vancouver's Greenest City Action Plan, Climate Emergency Policy Analyst for BCCIC where he produced a climate change guide for industry associations, and Project Coordinator for Environment and Climate Change Canada to help organize the World Circular Economy Forum 2021. Brennan thrives in outdoor environments and enjoys hiking, dragon boating, water skiing, and exploring nature locally and during mravels abroad. Transition Music by Miyagisama from Pixabay

[#19] Jack took the reins today to give Jason a much needed week off - and while Josey is still learning how to drive on the left side of the road in her new home. With a beer in hand he goes into detail about all the things there are to love about being a DM. Did he inspire you to finally give it a try? Follow us on your favorite social media! All the links can be found at http://curmudgeonsanddragons.com Leave us a review, and send the screen shot to curmudgeonsanddragonspod@gmail.com to get yourself some free swag! Hosted by Jack O'Connell Produced and Edited by Jason Portizo Curmudgeons and Dragons is a JTP Audio production • Theme Music:  º Crunk Knight by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3566-crunk-knight License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license • Transition Music:  º Thatched Villagers by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4481-thatched-villagers License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

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What the hell is up? Today's episode features Joe August, a musician and music therapist, in a conversation we had back in May. I wanted to ask him "what the hell is up with being a rock star and a music therapist?!". In other words, I was curious about Joe's relationship with independent artistry and healing work. During the episode, we discussed his upcoming full length album "Modern Sound of Quiet" which came out on July 6th and features the singles Lotus Flower and Next Year. Joe and I discussed his musical influences, inspiration, and the meaning he finds in providing music therapy as a healing modality for the clients he works with. With classic 60s psych-rock influences and themes of finding stillness in the overall chaos of media which we often experience, his new album absolutely grooves. In this episode, you'll hear the songs Paradise (with Afterspace), M.S.Q., Lotus Flower (with Chase Rabideau) and Fool For You (with Alec Shaw & Zan Fiskum). I was inspired by Joe's attention to cultivating connection through music across time and I know you will be too, so listen in friends! Find Joe August on Instagram @joeaugustmusic, stream his music on all platforms and watch the music video for Lotus Flower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKfwOcS6PQ Intro and Transition Music is by Afterspace - find his beats on SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/afterspace Podcast art is by Sarah Day Promo art is by Aubrey McMichael Mixing is by Allan Louderback --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

In today's episode, I sat down with Michaela Banks, creator of Sweet Sweet Justice -- a weekly cake auction where all proceeds go to organizations working toward racial justice. While first inspired by Michaela's ability to gracefully combine her passion and purpose while also working as a Registered Nurse, I walked away feeling inspired by the idea of participating in anti-racist work in an embodied way. We talked about ally-ship as white women and about some of the nuances of her experience operating this platform--we're diving deep today friends! AND talking about cake! In today's episode you'll hear the song Mercy by Marshall Law Band, which is a Seattle-based Funk-Hop band led by Marshall Hugh and backed by a 5-piece band. The Marshall Law Band could be seen creating empowered vibes during the BLM protests of 2020 and they continue to grace Seattle with loving and hopping tunes at outdoor concerts throughout the summer at "Fremont Friday's". Thank you for listening!! Bid on a cake to support a local organization working for racial justice by following on Instagram: @sweet.sweet.justice Follow Marshall Law Band on Instagram: @marshalllawband Listen on Bandcamp: https://marshalllaw.bandcamp.com/album/mercy-maxi-single MLB's Website: https://www.marshalllawband.info/ This podcast is an art of collaboration: Podcast logo by Sarah Day Mixing by Allan Louderback Promo art by Aubrey McMichael Podcast Intro and Transition Music by Afterspace https://soundcloud.com/afterspace --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app