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rEvolutionary Woman
Ida Tin-Mother of the term Femtech, Co-Founder of Clue & Founder of the think tank Femtech Assembly

rEvolutionary Woman

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2025 45:57


Ida Tin is the Danish visionary co-founder and former CEO of Clue, the most trusted menstrual cycle health app used by more than twelve million active users in over 190 countries. Ida created the term “femtech” in 2016 and is the founder of Femtech Assembly, a think tank to articulate the link between Femtech, economy and planetary health. Prior to starting Clue, Ida led motorcycle tours around the world for five years in the motorcycle touring company MotoMundo she co-founded with her dad. She guided tours in Mongolia, Cuba and Vietnam amongst other destinations. The travel adventures on her motorcycle led Ida to write her book, Directress, which was published in 2009. She is now working on a new book about Femtech and is an active voice in the Femtech space. To learn more about Ida Tin, Clue and Femtech Assembly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/idatin/

Femme Lead
S06 E06 Breaking Boundaries in FemTech: Ida Tin on Innovation, Health, and Empowerment with Clue.

Femme Lead

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2025 41:39


Send us a textFemTech Founder | Clue App | Female Health Tech | Entrepreneur | Agency | Women's Right |In this insightful interview, Ida Tin, the co-founder and CEO of the menstruation-tracking app Clue, shares her journey from a motorcycle tour entrepreneur to one of the leading voices in healthtech. Ida discusses how she coined the term "FemTech" and the vision behind creating Clue as a tool for empowering women to track their health. She also delves into the importance of setting healthy boundaries - both personally and professionally and how these principles have shaped her business approach. Ida shares her views on the evolution of women's health technology, the challenges she faced while scaling Clue, and the future of FemTech, offering invaluable perspectives on innovation, collaboration, and inclusivity in healthcare.Her passion for technology and women's health led her to co-found Clue in 2013 to provide women with a smart, reliable way to track their menstrual and fertility cycles. Her vision has not only transformed personal health but also created an entire movement within the tech industry. Ida is credited with coining the term "FemTech," which has become synonymous with technology dedicated to women's health, ranging from fertility to menopause.Under Ida's leadership, Clue has grown exponentially, with over 10 million users in 190 countries. Along the way, she has received numerous accolades, including being named Female Web Entrepreneur of the Year. Beyond Clue, Ida's influence extends into shaping the future of women's health tech, working alongside giants like Apple to develop period-tracking software for their HealthKit platform. Her journey exemplifies the power of innovation, boundary-pushing, and resilience in making a lasting impact on both technology and society!Follow Ida on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/idatin/ 

De Balie Spreekt
Ida Tin on data privacy and hidden costs in health apps, women building technology and techbros

De Balie Spreekt

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 16, 2025 40:09


With Ida Tin (co-founder of menstrual health app Clue), we'll explore the intersection of technology and the female body. How does the tech industry increasingly shape our most personal experiences?In today's digital age, technology deeply influences our understanding and control of the female body. From period-tracking apps to wearable devices, these tools promise empowerment but often come with hidden costs, such as data collection that fuels surveillance practices and commercial exploitation. Few understand these dynamics better than Ida Tin, the co-founder of Clue, a pioneering app that redefined how women track and manage their reproductive health.Beyond her role in shaping femtech, Tin has been at the forefront of conversations about the ethical responsibilities of tech companies in handling sensitive health data. Her work raises critical questions about the balance between innovation and privacy, and how technology impacts autonomy over our own bodies.In the weekend of International Women's Day (7 March – 8 March), De Balie invites leading thinkers, creators, and entrepreneurs to reflect on contemporary feminism. In a world where radical right-wing politicians and tech bros seem to be joining forces, what challenges do women face?Techdenkers is supported by Adyen.Check out the privacy notice on https://art19.com/privacy and the privacy statement of California on https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.Zie het privacybeleid op https://art19.com/privacy en de privacyverklaring van Californië op https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Energetically You
Mother of FemTech: Ida Tin's Journey from Clue to Empowerment

Energetically You

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2024 37:15


Curious about the future of women's health? Join Megan Swan as she chats with Ida Tin, the trailblazer behind FemTech, to dive into how technology and inclusivity are shaping a new era. Key Points Discussed: - Femtech Development: How Ida Tin's coining of FemTech has revolutionized women's health. - Clue App Insights: Empowering women with data to make informed health choices. - The Trademark Story: The strategic move to keep "FemTech" accessible for all. - Personal Growth: Ida's journey with therapy, spiritual guidance, and balancing family life. - Global Inspiration: Examples of international efforts and the importance of gender diversity in tech. TLDR: Discover how FemTech is transforming women's health, the impact of data-driven empowerment, and the essential role of inclusivity in technology. Download Clue | Connect with Ida Tin https://helloclue.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/idatin/ Thank you for listening! When you are listening, please take a screenshot and share it on social media and tag me @meganswanwellness! We would really appreciate it. Connect with Megan Swan http://www.instagram.com/meganswanwellness http://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-swan-wellness www.meganswanwellness.com Keywords: FemTech, female founders, women's health tech, gender-specific health, Clue app, health data, inclusivity in tech, empowerment through data, balancing work and family, pitching challenges, global health efforts, reproductive rights, women's health innovation, diverse teams, health technology, Ida Tin, Megan Swan, mental health practices, spiritual growth, body awareness, wellness journey, venture capital, book publishing, investment dynamics, technological impact, public health, nature therapy, stress management, personal rejuvenation, authenticity, motorcycle travels, entrepreneurship, resilience, emotional processing.

I Want Her Job
Why You Should Care About FemTech With Delphine O'Rourke

I Want Her Job

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2024 57:20


In this episode we discuss all things femtech with Healthcare Law Lawyer, Advisor and Portfolia FemTech Fund Partner Delphine O'Rourke. We get into what FemTech is, why it's so important for women to invest and support this sector, and how you can help. In case you haven't noticed, in the past, VCs have overlooked products designed for women primarily because they don't understand the needs or the market   When you invest in or support FemTech, your contributions help the market develop innovations that address issues like osteoporosis, menopause, fertility and many more opportunities that will help women live better and longer lives..  According to Market.us, the Global FemTech Market size is projected to surpass around USD 127.1 Billion by 2033! For example, have you ever considered why the dreaded speculum used in annual ob-gyn exams has not been updated since the 1800's? Neither did we until Delphine mentioned it.  Whether you're an experienced investor or just curious about how to get started, this episode may cause a paradigm shift in how you think about investing. As a Fund Partner at Portfolia, Delphine is part of a team that decides what start-ups to invest in. We discuss how you can also join a Portfolia fund with a minimum $10k if you are an accredited investor. if you enjoy this topic, don't miss our podcast with Portfolia founder and venture capital pioneer, Trish Costello, and our podcast with Ida Tin, the woman who coined the term Femtech! Want to talk more about this?  Find us on Instagram @meantforit. You can also visit our website at www.meantforit.com, and sign up for our newsletter here or email us. contact@meantforit.com. Notable Quotes from Delphine: "We need to move medicine for women out of the 1900's, 1800's into modern medicine." "We make 92% of consumer decisions, 82% of healthcare decisions." "Shifting the contraceptive burden is highly impactful and that's what we look for." "We want to make our money work for us and it's just sitting in a checking account. The financial gap, the pay gap, will just continue and compound." Podcast Chapters: (03:48) Femtech is where technology intersects with women's health (07:35) The stark reality of women's health innovation and the need for change (15:10) The potential of wearable bone technology and its impact on osteoporosis (18:59) Portfolia invested in a male contraceptive that is reversible (22:55) Maven's success story and the shifting role of employers in healthcare (29:29) Why investment education is critical for women (32:53) Exploring why men haven't invested in women's health historically (37:35) Every woman will go through menopause unless she dies (43:03) An accredited investor is someone who is eligible to invest in credit funds (49:56) We know we have a loneliness crisis in the United States (53:03) Maven provides women's health remotely through telemedicine  

My Wildest Prediction
'We will be our own best doctors' with Clue CEO Audrey Tsang

My Wildest Prediction

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2024 29:09


Audrey Tsang is the CEO of the app Clue. You might be wondering what Clue is, but over 10 million people in more than 190 countries use it religiously to track their periods. Clue is a trailblazer in menstrual health and femtech. In fact, the term was coined by its founder, Ida Tin. Tsang is here to tell us more about this revolution and her predictions for the future of health tech.My Wildest Prediction is a podcast series from Euronews Business where we dare to imagine the future with business and tech visionaries. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Giant Ideas
Femtech pioneer Ida Tin on the future of women's health

Giant Ideas

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 10, 2024 10:29


Giant Ventures is a multi stage venture fund, founded by Cameron McLain and Tommy Stadlen. We recorded these first episodes at our live Giant Ideas summit, held at London's Tate Modern. The Giant Ideas summit brings together 200 founders, CEOs, heads of state and other leaders to explore how we can harness cutting edge technology as a force for good. Today we bring you Ida Tin on the future of femtech. There are perhaps few more qualified to talk on the topic of Femtech than Ida - who in fact coined the term 'Femtech' in 2016. Ida is the co-founder and former CEO of menstruation-tracking app, Clue - which she originally designed to track her own cycle in the absence of any technical solutions. Clue now has 11 million users across 190 countries.In this talk, Ida discusses why Femtech matters, what today's definition includes, why there is still a woeful response to technology for menopause and hormone tracking and why we need to keep listening to women when they tell us which problems really matter. It's an inspiring call to action.Music credits: Bubble King written and produced by Cameron McLain and Stevan Cablayan aka Vector_XING.Building or investing in purpose driven companies? Read more about Giant Ventures here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Den Nye Standard
Julespecial - et tilbageblik på de seneste 4 måneders episoder

Den Nye Standard

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 20, 2023 41:25


Vi er gået på juleferie, men derfor skal I ikke snydes for en episode. Vi vender stærkt tilbage i det nye år med nye samtaler med nogle af Danmarks mest inspirerende mennesker.I denne julespecial ser Nicolai tilbage på de seneste 4 måneders samtaler, og reflekterer over emnerne motivation og drivkraft, work-life balance, succes, mindset og bagsiden af medaljen.Motivation og drivkraftKom med på en rejse, hvor vi dykker ned i episode 34 med Tobias Dybvad og taler om, hvilken kraft der driver ham til at udvikle sig og skabe nye ideer.Vi besøger også episode 31 med Ida Tin for at reflektere over følelsen man får i maven som iværksætter, og hvordan man holder sin motivation og drivkraft stabil i både medgang og modgang.Work-life balanceRefleksionsrejsen fører os videre til emnet work-life balance, og direkte ind i episode 32 med Alex Vanopslagh. Her taler vi om, hvor vigtigt det er at finde balancen, og hvordan Alex's sygemelding med stress var en øjenåbning for prioriteringen af tid. Vi besøger også episode 35 for at høre, hvordan planlægning og struktur er altafgørende for Soeren Le Schmidts work-life balance, og hvordan hans indstilling til at arbejde har ændret sig siden han er blevet far.Work-life balanceRefleksionsrejsen fører os videre til emnet work-life balance, og direkte ind i episode 32 med Alex Vanopslagh. Her taler vi om, hvor vigtigt det er at finde balancen, og hvordan Alex's sygemelding med stress var en øjenåbning for prioriteringen af tid. Vi besøger også episode 35 for at høre, hvordan planlægning og struktur er altafgørende for Soeren Le Schmidts work-life balance, og hvordan hans indstilling til at arbejde har ændret sig siden han er blevet far.SuccesEt fællestræk for alle vores gæster er, at de har skabt succes i deres respektive brancher. I vores julespecial tager vi på genbesøg i episode 36, hvor Jussi Adler-Olsen fortæller sine bedste råd til at skabe succes som international forfatter.Vi tager også et smut forbi episode 37 med René Holten Poulsen for at høre, hvornår han har følt sig mest succesfuld i sin karriere som elitesports roer, og hvilket mindset han har skulle holde for at skabe denne succes.MindsetVi springer direkte ind i episode 33 med Sarah Mahfoud. Her reflekterer vi over, hvordan hun som professionel bokser altid skal have et bundniveau, der er så højt, at hun godt kan tåle at have en dårlig dag, og hvilket mindset det kræver.Vi bliver i sportsverdenen og dykker ned i episode 30, med Hermann Haraldsson, for at høre, hvilket mindset han som dreng tillært sig gennem fodbold, og som han stadig benytter i sit daglige virke som CEO for Boozt.comBagsiden af medaljenVi runder denne julespecial af med en stor refleksion over bagsiden af medaljen. Her skal vi både vende det at være heldig i ulykken, hvordan man tilpasser sig forandringer, hvordan man håndtere modvind og hvilke personlige ofringer der følger med succes.Igen tak fordi du lytter med! God jul og godt nytår! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Business Daily
Business daily meets: Ida Tin

Business Daily

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2023 17:29


Ida Tin coined the term Femtech after she founded the period tracking app, Clue, which has since been downloaded more than 100 million times. We hear how she managed to turn her idea into a business, how she went about funding it over her 10 year stint as CEO and how she sees it evolving as technology becomes more advanced. Producer/Presenter: Hannah Mullane Photo: Ida Tin Credit: Ida Tin

Den Nye Standard
Ida Tin - om at skabe en app med over 11 mio. brugere, og om at være ophavskvinde til industrien Femtech

Den Nye Standard

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2023 49:08


I episode 31 tager vi på en inspirerende rejse med Ida Tin, som er co-founder af Clue, en banebrydende menstruations- og fertilitets tracking-app. I denne episode deler Ida sin unikke livshistorie, fra barndomsrejser på motorcykel til at blive en visionær iværksætter. Hun udforsker sin passion for innovation inden for kvinders sundhed og reflekterer over Clues succes, samt de udfordringer hun har mødt undervejs. Med over 11 millioner aktive brugere og en investering på over en kvart milliard danske kroner, er Clue et strålende eksempel på, hvad stædighed og vision kan opnå.Co-founder og chairwoman i ClueDen Nye Standard har i denne episode besøg af Ida Tin, der er medstifter og chairwoman i Clue. Ida er blevet inviteret i studiet til en samtale om at skabe Clue, en app til tracking af menstruation og fertilitet med over 11 millioner aktive brugere, og om det at være ophavskvinde til industrien Femtech. Ida åbner samtalen op med at præsentere sig selv som en stædig, visionær og vedholdende kvinde. Hun har altid godt kunnet lide at gøre tingene på sin egen unikke måde og besidder en urokkelig drivkraft. Dette skyldes hendes overbevisning om, at produktet er en nødvendig innovation for samfundet.Læs mere om Ida her: www.dennyestandard.dk/ida-tinTak fordi du lytter med! Det vil betyde en verden til forskel, hvis du har to minutter til at anmelde os på din foretrukne podcast-platform.Husk, at du kan følge os for at modtage notifikationer, når vi udgiver nye episoder! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Together Digital Power Lounge
The Rise Of Fem Tech | Ida Tin | Power Lounge S2E14

Together Digital Power Lounge

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2023 56:18


Discover the untapped potential of Femtech and the transformative work ahead in female health with Ida Tin of Clue.THIS WEEK'S TOPIC: Discover the untapped potential of Femtech and the transformative work ahead in female health with Ida Tin, co-founder, and former CEO, now chairwoman, of Clue, the world's most trusted female health app. With over twelve million active users in 190 countries, Clue is a top-ranking app in the "Health & Fitness" category globally. Ida Tin, a visionary entrepreneur and modern feminist, coined the term Femtech in 2016 and has been featured in prominent media outlets and spoken at prestigious conferences worldwide. Drawing from her diverse background, including leading motorcycle tours and authoring a travel memoir, Ida is now focused on her new book exploring Femtech, leadership, technology, and systems change. Embrace the future of female health with an active voice in the Femtech space—Ida Tin.THIS WEEK'S GUESTIda Tin is the co-founder and former CEO, now chairwoman, of Clue, the most trusted female health app. Clue has more than twelve million active users in over 190 countries, and is one of the most popular apps in the “Health & Fitness” category in the United States, Germany, the UK, Brazil, France, Mexico, and many other countries.Clue's mission is to help people all around the world benefit from insights into female health. A lifelong entrepreneur and a modern feminist, Ida coined the term Femtech in 2016.Ida has been interviewed or featured in major media, including The New York Times, New York Magazine, Forbes, Der Spiegel, and Le Figaro. She was also a speaker at prestigious conferences such as TechCrunch Disrupt in San Francisco, LeWeb in Paris, Forbes Most Powerful Women in Montreal, Slush in Finland, and many more.Before starting Clue, Ida led motorcycle tours around the world for five years in the motorcycle touring company MotoMundo she cofounded with her dad Hjalte Tin. She guided tours in Mongolia, Cuba, and Vietnam, amongst other destinations.For two years, she traveled solo in the western parts of the US on her motorcycle and wrote a book about her travel adventures, inner and outer, “Directress”, published in Denmark in 2009.As a child, Ida grew up traveling the world on motorcycles with her parents and older brother, from she was a one-year-old baby sitting in front of her mother on the motorcycle through South America, the former Soviet Union, Africa, and South East Asia.Ida attended various art schools in South Africa and London and graduated in 2004 from the progressive social entrepreneurship BA-level business school The KaosPilots in Denmark. Ida currently lives in Berlin and has two children.She is now working on a new book about Femtech, leadership, technology, and systems change. She is an active voice in the Femtech space.Ida's LinkedIn ClueThe Immortal Life Of Henrietta LacksSponsored by: COhatchCOhatch is a new kind of shared work, social, and family space built on community. Members get access to workspace, amenities like rock walls and sports simulators, and more to live a fully integrated life that balances work, family, well-being, community, and giving back. COhatch has 31 locations open or under construction nationwide throughout Ohio, Indiana, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. ViSupport the show

Lifeselfmastery's podcast
Ida Tin from Clue on fertility tracking

Lifeselfmastery's podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 4, 2023 36:10


In this episode, Ida Tin talks about her journey of starting a jewelry business, traveling to Mexico, and starting a motorcycle tour company with her father. She also discusses how Clue grew as a company, raising funds from investors and building a successful startup team culture. Ida Tin shares her insights on the venture capital industry and her upcoming book, which aims to provide tips and tricks on how to think twice when building technology that will change the world.TimestampsStarting a Business and Traveling the World [00:00:41] Ida Tin shares her journey of starting her first business in crystal bee jewelry, traveling to Mexico for six months, and later starting a motorcycle touring company with her dad.Working with Family Members in a Startup [00:02:45] Ida Tin talks about working with her father in Moto Mando and how it was a great experience for her. She also shares her thoughts on giving hard feedback to family members in a startup.Building a User Base for a Niche Product [00:08:13] Ida Tin explains how Clue, a female health app, is relevant to 50% of the world's population and shares the importance of starting with a period tracking app to build a customer base. She also gives advice on growing the app's user base.Growing through digital marketing [00:09:16] Ida Tin talks about how Clue grew through digital marketing, specifically by working with YouTubers and influencers who found the product meaningful.Convincing investors [00:11:01] Ida Tin shares how they convinced Union Square Ventures to invest in Clue, including the importance of having a woman in the company and USV's intellectual thesis.Quality vs speed of execution [00:13:31] Ida Tin discusses the importance of quality in building a product that touches people's health, and how Clue rebuilt their app from scratch to ensure high quality. She also talks about how building a culture of trust and communication can increase speed of execution.Hiring for Mental Health [00:18:57] Ida Tin talks about the importance of hiring people with mental health and readiness to learn and grow in a startup environment.Prioritization and Mistakes [00:20:09] Ida Tin discusses the process of prioritizing tasks and products in a startup and the mistakes they made in the past.Creating Safety for Team [00:24:07] Ida Tin shares her approach to creating relational safety for her team, including skip-level meetings and involving the team in formulating the company's values.Venture Capital and Ethical Concerns [00:28:22] Ida Tin talks about her criticisms of the current venture capital system and the need for ethical considerations in building technology.Favorite Business Books [00:30:33] Ida Tin shares her favorite business books, including "The Hard Thing About Hard Things" and "Girl Boss."Importance of Building a Hug Culture [00:33:24] Ida Tin emphasizes the importance of building a culture where people feel comfortable giving each other a hug, as a sign of human connection and support in the workplace.Key LinksClue - https://helloclue.com/LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/idatin/

Skin like a Rhino with Elvie founder, Tania Boler
Skin like a Rhino with Elvie founder, Tania Boler: Ida Tin

Skin like a Rhino with Elvie founder, Tania Boler

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2023 38:11


Ida Tin is a Danish entrepreneur and author co-founding Clue app. A period to pregnancy menstrual tracking app with 11m active users. Starting her early career working with her father at a motorcycle tour company, Ida then channelled her own frustrations around women's health into Clue. Setting up a new business and navigating the challenges of being a female founder whilst raising her own children Ida talks of how culture and personal growth is fundamental in growing a successful business. Topics include:Childhood and early careerEntrepreneurship Early frustration with menstrual cycle trackingSetting up ClueBreaking women's health taboosWomen in business Series funding Data Work-life balance for MomsBoundary setting Leadership and building the right cultureCare Coining FemTech What's next for Ida TinThe views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the guest's own and do not represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of Elvie or Tania Boler

10 Seconds To Air
Ida Tin - The Rise of FemTech

10 Seconds To Air

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2023 57:54


Ida Tin is the creator and co-founder of the female health tracking app Clue.Ida is also credited with coining the term “femtech” - Feminine Technology, nominating a new investment class potentially worth 1 trillion dollars.She has started a global conversation about the biases of venture capital funding of female health technology companies.Ida started Clue 10 years ago — the app is now stronger than ever with more than 12 million users and growing. Clue tracks women's periods, moods, pregnancies and recently got FDA approval as a contraceptive. Ida isn't a scientist or healthcare professional, and does not think of herself as an entrepreneur. Instead, she calls herself a problem solver and she is committed to creating new technologies that bring women better healthcare options. She is an inspiring and unconventional leader that is passionate about building relational intelligence in the workplace. If you want to learn more about Clue, check out their website here. Clue also recently announced their very first crowdfunding campaign! Anyone can become a co-owner in the company by contributing as little as 10€. Available equity is limited and on a first-come, first-served basis. Pre-registration is now open, until April 18 here: https://lnkd.in/ekkgWraP

Money Unfiltered
Funding Female Health Tech: An Inside Look

Money Unfiltered

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2023 37:53


Clue is THE original femtech company - Clue's founder Ida Tin coined the term a few years ago because there wasn't even a word to talk about technology for women.Maybe we need to invent a new term for female investing, so we can start talking about that  - would the world be different if women chose which companies got money and which didn't? Would more women start getting wealthier too?In this episode, we speak to Carrie Walter and Audrey Tsang, Co-CEOs of Clue. We talk all about Clue's mission, how femtech can and should make money, and why they're doing a crowdfund.Head to www.helloclue.com/crowdfunding to find our how you can invest in Clue from as little as £10. The crowdfund pre-registration is available from today (April 4), with investment available from April 18. Thank you to Yonder for sponsoring this episode. Yonder is the epic new credit card that rewards London's foodies and adventurers with experiences at some of the city's best places to eat and explore.New customers get 1 month free and a £50 dining credit, so find out if you're eligible now by heading to yondercard.com. Your application is subject to eligibility and you'll need to be over 18 and a UK resident to apply. A membership fee and T&Cs apply. The representative rate is 64% APR variable.Don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss the latest episode!If you enjoy Money Unfiltered, please leave us a review & keep up to date on IG at @thisgirltalksmoney @victoria_nabarro

Memberful Design
How Ida Tin coined ‘FemTech' and built a global community of 11 million with Clue

Memberful Design

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2023 59:35


Clue, the leading period tracking app, has gained the trust of over 11 million women and people with cycles worldwide. During our interview with Ida Tin, co-founder and chairwoman of Clue, we learned about her unwavering commitment to privacy and her dedication to building a company based on trust. Despite facing competition, Ida Tin remained true to her principles, and today, Clue is a company known for its values-driven approach. Discover how to create a community that believes in your vision by prioritizing trust and values.As a thought leader in FemTech, Clue's scientific stories are trusted by over 4.5 million readers worldwide. With $47.8 million raised from 22 investors, Clue has become a leading innovator in the industry. In 2019, Ida Tin and her team launched the Clue Plus membership, which has since become a significant revenue stream for the company. During the interview, Ida Tin shared with Harald Dunnink her hindsight realization that the membership should have been launched earlier, as it created independence for the company. Learn how to grow your own initiative by discovering the business model that fits your vision and how to lean into the power of community for success.And we want to hear from you too! We're researching what makes communities, memberships, and movements so powerful. Or in short, how to better design for belonging. You can help by sharing your own experiences in our first listener survey. Go to memberful.design/community to complete the survey. It only takes a minute to share your wisdom and it's completely anonymous. We'll share takeaways on a future show. So keep listening and let's learn together. Memberful Design is a show about firestarters sparking initiatives that have a lasting impact. Formerly known as Verwondering, leading design podcast of the Netherlands. Now, we're bringing this award-winning series to the international stage in English. Memberful Design is crafted with love by the team behind the design studio Momkai. At Momkai, we've learned that building experiences that empower communities create durable initiatives. Over the past 20 years, we've put this knowledge into practice on projects from all over Europe, the US, and Japan. Are you looking for a fresh perspective or want to join the team? Go to momkai.com and get in touch.Memberful Design is hosted by Harald Dunnink, Momkai's founder and co-founder of journalism platform De Correspondent. As a creative director, he loves telling stories. With the birth of his daughter he finally found an audience that's always demanding more. His guests on the show help you think like a designer, decide like an entrepreneur, and dream big like an optimist. Discover what it takes to let your plans succeed and create meaningful connections, through Memberful Design.

Look Mum I'm Hustling
ChatGPT Is Now On Apple Devices + The Rise of FemTech | #54

Look Mum I'm Hustling

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2023 32:51


In this episode, we chat about how Open AI's ChatGPT is now on Apple devices and what that means for Siri. We also discuss the rise of the FemTech industry and how Ida Tin, co-founder and CEO of one of the best women's health-tracking apps Clue fell into business by accident. (3:20) ChatGPT is taking over (9:13) What will ChatGPT be like on apple devices? (16:18) Siri vs ChatGPT (26:00) What is femtech? Connect On Instagram Twitter YouTube

Woman Power Zone
Laura LeDoux: The Power of FemTech

Woman Power Zone

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2022 27:07


On this episode Ariel is joined by returning guest Laura LeDoux about a serious issue, that what you don't know can hurt you. Women's FemTech data can be used against them, this is something you should know about so you can tell your families and friends. Ida Tin coined the term FemTech. She is the Co-Founder of Clue, a women's health tracking app. FemTech has grown to encompass a range of technology-enabled, consumer-centric products and solutions. Other examples of women's healthcare apps are: Nurx (birth control delivery); Khair (tracking your period, pregnancy, speaking to a doctor); Sexual Activity Log and Tracker (this includes birth control information as well as sexual activity); Ease (birth control reminders), and Unified Women's Healthcare. The Griswold versus Connecticut case was the Supreme Court case that first gave women the right to contraception in the United States in 1965, making the prevention by states of the use of contraception by married couples illegal in 1965. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/381/479/  States that ban abortion are: Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma From: https://www.google.com/search?q=states+that+ban+abortion&rlz=1C1CHZN_enUS1020US1027&oq=states+that+ban+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512l9.7504j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8  Interactive map of abortion laws in the U.S.: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html  Some states that have restricted access to contraception funds are: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin, according to the Guttmacher Institute. From: New Research Shows State Restrictions Reduce Contraception Use by Christine Vestal, 9/22/22,  Pew Charitable Trusts, https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/09/22/new-research-shows-state-restrictions-reduce-contraception-use  Megan Kavanaugh, principal research scientist at Guttmacher, said,“Given the increased restrictive climate around abortion in our country, we are anticipating amped-up attacks on contraceptive access, as both of these are efforts that target people's reproductive autonomy and freedom,” she added. Guttmacher's research describes the change in contraceptive use that occurred after Iowa opted out of a Medicaid family planning program in 2017 and set up its own state-funded contraception program, which excluded clinics that provided abortion along with other health services. The study found that the share of patients at publicly funded family planning centres in Iowa who had not recently received contraceptives increased from 32% to 62% over two years. The share of patients not using any contraceptive method increased from 9% to 15%. Roughly 50 million, or 65% of women of reproductive age, 15-49, used some form of contraception from 2015 to 2017, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 1 in 3 low-income people who use contraception rely on Planned Parenthood or other publicly funded clinics to pay for the often-costly pills or devices. Medicaid, which covers about 70 million individuals, is the largest funding source for free contraception. Another federal program, Title X, provides additional funds to roughly 4,000 clinics across the country to support access to contraception. During the Trump administration, those funds were withheld from Planned Parenthood and other clinics that provide abortion. In July, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services issued a reminder to insurance companies that birth control, along with other preventive care, must be covered under the Affordable Care Act at no cost.  The agency said the action was part of a Biden administration effort to protect women's access to contraception in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court decision that eliminated the longstanding federal right to abortion. “Under the ACA, you have the right to free birth control — no matter what state you live in,” HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra said in a statement. “With abortion care under attack, it is critical that we ensure birth control is accessible nationwide, and that employers and insurers follow the law and provide coverage for it with no additional cost.” From https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/09/22/new-research-shows-state-restrictions-reduce-contraception-use   What can women do to be proactive with their data privacy and security and their healthcare apps? Protect your data Use enhanced protection, especially if you're in a state that does not protective women's reproductive rights, e.g. Pseudonyms Having sensitive conversations orally instead of over text/email/apps Be aware that deleting data does NOT make it unavailable to law enforcement Don't post personal health conditions on social media Lobby your local lawmakers to enhance data privacy laws at the state level to protect healthcare data shared over apps In extreme cases, move to a state that honours and protects women's reproductive rights. The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution is also affected by the Roe decision.  "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." From https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-4/  KEY TAKEAWAYS FemTech is something that's at the forefront of technology in general and specifically technology to do with women's health. It provides solutions to improve healthcare for women across a number of female-specific conditions including maternal health, menstrual health, pelvic health, sexual health, fertility, menopause, contraception, other general health conditions that affect women disproportionately such as osteoporosis or cardiovascular disease. It also affects the transgender community as well. There is no Federal protection for women's reproductive rights. The Dobbs Decision has now left that to each individual state. You may have certain rights in ‘x' state and then you move into ‘y' state and now you no longer have those same rights. Health data that's collected by a health provider, like a hospital or doctor's office, is protected by a Federal law called HIPA (Healthcare Information Privacy Act). HIPA doesn't apply to data collected by a healthcare app, for example, that you're using to track your menstrual cycle because you're trying to get or avoid getting pregnant. That data is protected by whatever state law is in effect with regards to data privacy in general. The upsides of FemTech are that it creates apps, and virtual and digital space that improves care delivery with virtual clinics, direct to consumer prescription delivery – including the morning after pill – it enables self-care through tracking diagnostics, it improves diagnostics, it addresses stigmatised topics such as menstrual health, sexual health and pelvic care. It delivers culturally sensitive and tailored care for frequently marginalised communities, it also opens up healthcare and certain types of healthcare that maybe weren't able to be physically present in neglected communities. It's really been a catalyst for positive changes in healthcare. But now, with the collapse of privacy protections after Roe vs Wade we really need to be proactive in making sure we're being vigilant about our own data privacy and security when using FemTech apps and what kinds of conversations we're having over text messages. BEST MOMENTS “Women's health rights have always been important, but they've never been more important than they are now in the wake of the Dobbs Decision.” “If aggressive states can utilise this data in any way to prove that somebody may have intentionally miscarried, then they can file criminal charges against those women.”“There are now cases where women are having defence attorneys in the emergency room with them to protect them if they're having a miscarriage.”“State like Texas don't have any exceptions for rape or incest. It's horrifying.” ABOUT THE GUEST Laura LeDoux, Esq., CIPP/US provides trusted program management and policy guidance in the Information Security space Laura leverages her legal acumen and expertise in information security, data privacy and compliance to help clients achieve their goals while staying compliant with applicable laws and regulations. Laura liaisons with technical and legal professionals from around the world to deliver innovative solutions that merge legal and technical requirements to ensure end-to-end compliance.  Socials: If you want to connect with Laura LeDoux, please add her on LinkedIn at  https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauraledoux/ or reach out to Ariel.  ABOUT THE HOST Ariel is a Licensed Massage Therapist, Registered Clinical Hypnotherapist, Reiki Master, Empath and Psychic who has been involved in holistic healing since 1988. She is also an educator, speaker, author and mentor for empaths, spiritual seekers and medical professionals. To reach Ariel, go to www.arielhubbard.com, where you will be able to contact her directly.  Please let her know you heard her on the podcast and the assistance you need or question you have. Website: www.arielhubbard.com Online Courses: http://hubbardeducationgroup.myclick4course.com LinkedIn: @arielhubbardIG: @arielhubbardFacebook: @HubbardEducationGroupYT: @arielhubbardCH: @arielhubbard Pinterest:   https://pin.it/6Z6RozS Pre-order form for Ariel's educational, hilarious and spicy dating book: The Empowered Woman's Guide to Online Dating: Set Your BS Tolerance to Zerohttps://eworder.replynow.ontraport.net/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

IT Se Life Tak
Femtech की ज़रूरत क्यों ? Ft. Francesca Gearyl Stingl , PR/Marketer for Fermata Inc., Singapore

IT Se Life Tak

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2022 39:23


In this Episode we talk about the ever evolving world of Femtech and it's global advancements and talk with our Expert Francesca Gearyl Stingl, PR/Marketer for Fermata Inc. , Singapore where she demistfies a lot of misconceptions and correct usage and what all is Fermata Inc. Singapore upto in the Femtech space their journey from evolution to advancements! If you want to know more about Femtech and reach out to Fermata Singapore , sg.hellofermata.com , Email them for brand partnerships singapore@hellofermata.com and to know more about Femtech Association of Asia and their advancements you can reach them out at @femtechasia on instagram. Music used : Epidemic Sounds. Chapters : 00:00 - 04:43 - Social Experiment asking friends and people what they know about Femtech , 04:44 - 05:29 - Disclaimer , 05:30 - 10:14 - Introdcution to Tabbos, Stigma's worldwide around Women Health Issues , 10:15-10:29 - Welcoming Franscesca 10:30- 11:59 - Franscesca's introduction , Fermata Inc. , 12:00 - 13:22 - Introduction to Fermata evolution and offerings , 13:23- 14:33 Evolution of Femetch Association of Asia , 14:34-15:24 What is Femtech and it's need ! , 15:25 -16:52 : What all Femtech covers and why its not a part of health-tech? , 16:53 - 18:04 - How do you Visualize Femtech in a world of Metaverse ? , 18:05 - 21:05 How Fermata tackles educating worldwide the importance of Femtech, 21:06 - 23:15 Possible Misuses of Femtech 23:16 - 25:20 How Femtech tackles Data Privacy 25:21 - 27:05 - How to reach Franscesca or Femtech Association of Asia or Fermata Inc.,Singapore , 27:06 - 28:41 - Clip of Ida Tin , Founder Clue App on how to stay vigilant and identify data intruders while using the Femtech Apps , 28:43 - 32:43 Summing it all and expectations from Femtech in 2022 ! 32:44 - 36:50 - Ten Feet Data Song by Daxten (Epidemic Sounds) , 36:51- 39:23 - Outro . If you really like this show please your support by following our podcast on whichever app you are listening us on and dont forget to rate us on Spotify and Review us on Apple Podcast. If you have any suggestions or wish to reach us out DM us @talesbytalz on Instagram or drop us an email at talesbytalz@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/taleha-khan/message

WWDJAPAN PODCAST
「フェムテック」って何? “めんどくさい”新米2人によるポッドキャスト連載:考えたい言葉 vol.9

WWDJAPAN PODCAST

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2021 17:38


 「WWDJAPAN」ポッドキャストシリーズの新連載「考えたい言葉」は、2週間に1回、同期の若手2人がファッション&ビューティ業界で当たり前に使われている言葉について対話します。担当する2人は普段から“当たり前”について疑問を持ち、深く考え、先輩たちからはきっと「めんどうくさい」と思われているだろうな……とビビりつつも、それでも「メディアでは、より良い社会のための言葉を使っていきたい」と思考を続けます。第9弾は、【フェムテック】をテーマに語り合いました。「WWDJAPAN.com」では、2人が対話して見出した言葉の意味を、あくまで1つの考えとして紹介します。 ポッドキャスト配信者 ソーンマヤ:She/Her。入社2年目の翻訳担当。日本の高校を卒業後、オランダのライデン大学に進学して考古学を主専攻に、アムステルダム大学でジェンダー学を副専攻する。今ある社会のあり方を探求すべく勉強を開始したものの、「そもそもこれまで習ってきた歴史観は、どの視点から語られているものなのだろう?」と疑問を持ち、ジェンダー考古学をテーマに研究を進めた。「WWDJAPAN」では翻訳をメインに、メディアの力を通して物事を見る視点を増やせるような記事づくりに励む 佐立武士(さだち・たけし):He/Him。入社2年目、ソーシャルエディター。幼少期をアメリカ・コネチカット州で過ごし、その後は日本とアメリカの高校に通う。早稲田大学国際教養学部を卒業し、新卒でINFASパブリケーションズに入社。在学中はジェンダーとポストコロニアリズムに焦点を置き、ロンドン大学・東洋アフリカ研究学院に留学。学業の傍ら、当事者としてLGBTQ+ウエブメディアでライターをしていた。現在は「WWDJAPAN」のソーシャルメディアとユース向けのコンテンツに注力する。ニックネームはディラン 若手2人が考える【フェムテック】  「フェムテック(Femtech)」とは、女性および非男性の健康のために新たに開発された商品やサービス、ソフトウエアなどを指す。女性や女性性の語源である“フェム(fem)”と、“テクノロジー(technology)”を合わせた造語。生理期間をより快適に過ごすためのサニタリーアイテムや月経周期の記録アプリ、子宮や膀胱を支える骨盤底筋を鍛える膣トレアイテム、安全で楽しい性のためのセクシャルヘルスにまつわるものなどが含まれる。日本でなじみのある生理日管理サービス「ルナルナ」は実はその先駆けだ。  「フェムテック」という言葉が生まれたきっかけは、ドイツの月経周期を管理するアプリ「クルー(CLUE)」の資金調達をめぐってのこと。投資家の多くが男性であることで、“生理”“経血”にまつわるサービスがなかなか重要視されずに苦戦していたことから、イダ・ティン(Ida Tin)最高経営責任者が2013年にフェムテックというカテゴリーを設けてその大切さを訴えた。男性以外の性にまつわる健康問題やニーズが見過ごされていることやビジネスの世界が男性中心であること、女性主体の性に光が当たらないこと、タブー視されてきたことなどさまざまな社会的要因から立ち上がった言葉だ。  提唱当初はアプリと連動したサービスなど、IT的な”テクノロジー色”が濃いものが主流だったが、21年現在は悩みを解決するためのテクノロジーとして幅広い製品を指すようになっている。ラフォーレ原宿に店舗を構えるラブピースクラブ(LOVE PIECE CLUB)や、“未来の日用品”を扱うニュースタンドトーキョー(NEW STAND TOKYO)、オンライン専門のフェルマータ(FERMATA)などのフェムテックストアでは、吸水ショーツや月経カップといったサニタリーアイテムからプレジャートイ、書籍などが並ぶ。吸水ショーツもレースなどを施したデザイン性に凝ったものから、ジェンダーレスでシンプルなボクサー型などの選択肢が年々増えている。  しかし21年4月には、ドイツで男性起業家と投資家らがタンポンなどの生理用品を“手を汚さずに”交換処理できるとしてピンクの手袋をフェムテックと呼んで販売した事例も。これは生理をタブー化していることや、生理のある人に対して、ない人が「こうするべきだ」と指南してしまっているためマンスプレイニング(男性が女性を無知だと決めつけて知ったかぶること/男性が当事者でないトピックに関しても上から目線で説教する仕草を指す言葉)だと批判が殺到した。ビジネス的視点で金銭的利益のみを求めて作られ、使用者のことを第一に考えていなかったり、フェミニズム的パーパスを持ち合わせていなかったりするケースは非難の対象となる。  フェムテックというサービスや製品、ストアの存在そのものが女性・多くのセクシュアリティーをエンパワーする(鼓舞したり、勇気づけたり、力の源となること)という性質を持っていて、悩みや存在を可視化する役割を持ち合わせている。一方で、医療機関に代わるものではなく、自力で体の不調を解決した方が良いと推奨しているものではないという考えの浸透も大切だ。ゆくゆくはこういった健康問題への意識の向上に合わせて、子宮に関する項目が含まれていない健康診断制度や生理休暇の取りづらい労働環境といった仕組みの変革、性を恥ずかしいものとせず、安全性を教える性教育の発達にも期待をする。 【ポッドキャスト】 「WWDJAPAN」ポッドキャストシリーズはSpotifyやApple Podcastsでもお聞きいただけます。

The Daily Show With Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
Femtech: The Rise of Period Tracking Apps

The Daily Show With Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 21, 2021 6:45


Desi Lydic chats with Dr. Lynae Brayboy and Clue app co-founder Ida Tin about the menstrual health benefits and privacy risks posed by the rapidly growing femtech app industry. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Future Positive
The Future of Us

Future Positive

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2021 46:02


On this week's Future Positive our host Neama Dadkhahnikoo, Technical Lead of the AI XPRIZE chairs a virtual roundtable with a panel of female innovators in the field of AI. Andy Coravos is the CEO and founder of Elektra Labs, a company that advances healthcare by enabling safe, effective, and personalized use of connected products (wearables and other connected sensors) at home.Kishau Rogers is a Computer Scientist, Systems Thinker, Entrepreneur and CEO of Time Study Inc. A venture-backed startup offering solutions for using machine learning, advanced natural language processing, and data science to automatically tell a story of how enterprise employees spend their time and to create more value for the enterprise’s greatest resource, people.Caitlin Kraft-Buchman is the Founder and CEO of Women @ The Table, a global gender equality & democracy CSO based in Geneva. Focusing on systems change by helping feminists gain influence in sectors that have key structural impact: technology, economy, sustainability, democracy and governance.Ida Tin is a Danish internet entrepreneur, author and the co-founder and CEO of Clue, an accurate menstrual calendar, ovulation app, and pregnancy tracker. Clue helps women take control of their reproductive health by discovering unique patterns in their individual menstrual cycle. Ida is credited with coining the term "femtech".Less than a quarter of positions in the industry are held by women and gender bias is hard wired into certain algorithms due to under-representation in data sets. Our panel deconstruct and identify AI solutions that empower underrepresented communities and enable an equitable future for all.Links:XPRIZE AI For Goodhttps://www.xprize.org/AIforgood Elektra Labs https://www.elektralabs.com/Time Study Inc.https://www.timestudy.co/ Women @ The Tablehttps://www.womenatthetable.net/ Cluehttps://helloclue.com/ https://xprize.org/blog See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

FemTech Focus
How "FemTech" came about, with Clue - Episode 78

FemTech Focus

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 4, 2021 38:46


Ida Tin is the co-founder and CEO of Clue, a mobile app that enables women and people with menstrual cycles to make good choices for themselves and live full lives not in spite of their biology but in tune with it. The app’s mission is to help people all around the world benefit from insights into female health. Ida is credited with coining the term "femtech". She was a speaker at prestigious conferences such as TechCrunch Disrupt in San Francisco, LeWeb in Paris, Slush in Finland and many more. We discussed the need for "FemTech", how the term came about and her journey of building Clue. Check out the Clue at www.helloclue.com Rate, Review & Subscribe!

The Girls in Tech Podcast

In 2012, Ida Tin saw an opportunity to help women take control of their health, and founded Clue, now one of the most popular period-tracking apps in the world. For millions of women around the world, apps like Clue are vital to helping them understand their bodies — periods, fertility, menopause and more. In today's episode, Ida discusses how data and technology can empower women and the future of femtech. The Girls in Tech Podcast is produced by Tote + Pears. Music By: Adrian Dominic Walther

Das Tech Briefing Express — mit Christoph Keese
Das Geschäft mit der Fruchtbarkeit — Technologie, die weibliche Gesundheit trifft

Das Tech Briefing Express — mit Christoph Keese

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2020 47:47


Ida Tin und Dr. Robin Tech über die FemTech-Branche In dieser Woche tauchen wir in die Welt der FemTech-Start-ups ein. 690 Millionen Euro haben Investoren im vergangenen Jahr in Start-ups investiert, die sich um weibliche Gesundheit kümmern. Dr. Robin Tech (Delphai) analysiert die Branche mit all ihren Vor- und Nachteilen. Zu Gast ist Ida, die Gründerin von der Menstruationsapp Clue. Sie hat den Begriff FemTech nachhaltig geprägt. Im Podcast-Interview verrät die Dänin, warum sie das Geschäft mit Motorradtouren zugunsten dieser App aufgegeben hat und was ihre Vision für ihre App und die weltweite Forschung ist. Moderation: Daniel Fiene und Dr. Robin Tech Das Tech Briefing gibt es auch als Newsletter: https://mediapioneer.com/techbriefing See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Handelsblatt Disrupt
Clue-Gründerin Ida Tin: "Investoren in Deutschland sind zu ängstlich"

Handelsblatt Disrupt

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2019 46:21


Die Gründerin der Zyklus-App Clue Ida Tin ist der Meinung, dass es in Deutschland eigentlich genug Kapital für Unternehmer gebe, es fließe nur in die falschen Geschäftsmodelle, sagt sie im Podcast Handelsblatt Disrupt. Investoren seien zu konservativ und täten sich insbesondere bei Technologien für die weibliche Kundschaft schwer. "Investoren haben hier ganz klar ein paar blinde Flecken", sagt die Dänin, die ihr 70-köpfiges Unternehmen in Berlin aufbaut. Im Anschluss daran: ein Gespräch über neue Geschäftsmodelle im Journalismus mit Jeremy Caplan, der Entrepreneurial Journalism an der City University of New York unterrichtet. Caplan beschäftigt sich mit den neuesten Trends im weltweiten Mediengeschäft und ist davon überzeugt, dass derzeit die spannendsten Ideen rund um Newsletter und Podcasts entstehen. "Hier liegen die größten Chancen derzeit", sagt er. Und am Ende noch ein kurzer Blick nach Berlin: Dort entstehen immer neue Anbieter von Coworking-Spaces nach dem Vorbild von WeWork. Wie blicken die auf die Krise des großen Vorbilds? Das erklärt Florian Kosak, der Gründer des Office-Sharing-Anbieters Unicorn. Handelsblatt Disrupt entsteht mit Unterstützung der neuen Audioteka Podcast- und Serien-App „Lecton“. +++Anzeige: Weitere Informationen zu unserem Partner KPMG finden Sie unter kpmg.de/Consulting

Piloting your Life
Giving people, especially women, the means to control their own healthcare with Tracy Warren of Astarte Ventures

Piloting your Life

Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2018 42:59


Who is Tracy Warren? Tracy is general partner of Astarte Ventures, an early stage investment firm focused exclusively on women’s and children’s health and wellbeing.  The firm has made investments in eight companies with technologies focused on women and children, including Maven, Prima-Temp, Naya Health and Madorra.  Through Astarte Ventures, Tracy and her co-founders came together to form Astarte Medical to dramatically impact the lives of preterm infants.  As founding CEO, she leverages her experience of serial entrepreneurship and over 15 years as a venture capitalist and early stage investor to lead strategy and fundraising. Prior to Astarte Ventures, Tracy served as general partner at Battelle Ventures and focused on investments in health & life sciences, as well as emerging energy technologies, with an emphasis on institutional-based transactions.   Show Highlights Tracy shares her background starting as an investment banker, moving into venture capital, and then into investing in women and infant health.  Terri provides an explanation of FemTech and PediaTech.  FemTech is not supporting female founders but is focused on women’s health. PediaTech is focused on children’s health. Only recently have women been recognized as the focal point for decision making in healthcare.  80-85% of all household healthcare decisions are made by women.  Digital health / convenience technologies start to change the conversation around women’s health.  Healthcare must change to meet the needs of women and all of the things they juggle on a daily basis.  Women can be early adopters of the tech to deliver the caliber of health women want and deserve. Tracy and Terri are not seeing the momentum in the FemTech space.  They are seeing a lot of good companies, but these companies are struggling due to lack of funding and there’s no obvious avenue to getting better access to the funding to truly grow and scale the companies to have the impact.  It’s a catch-22.  Many people still see FemTch as evangelistic. Terri commented on how VCs traditionally took greater risk investing but aren’t doing so now and she challenged the VCs to return to taking risks in this space where there is unmet need and demand and great opportunity.  Terri is seeing movement in the employer space to provide more female and family friendly benefits.  Tracy agrees that employers are focused on employee retention and will be the first to put some stakes in the ground in this space. Tracy says the challenge is greater culturally.  Women’s issues have been largely attributed to just being a woman and not seen as treatable and real health issues.  Examples include menopause and post-partum related issues.  Terri talks about how women are not heard when they visit healthcare providers.  There’s no empathy, only pity.  This is a healthcare provider training issue and women need to better advocate for themselves and not rely on the ‘doctor knows best’ myth. Tracy talks about how women are now able to talk about things that our mothers didn’t talk about like periods, sex-related issues, and other female health topics. As the walls start coming down between women and culturally (like on TV) the solutions will become more mainstream and possible.  Terri asked Tracy if the openness that we have in California the same across the country and Tracy said no, not yet.  The shift will occur with each generation.  Education is a powerful thing. Tracy shares how her daughter is a shrewd shopper about her health and the apps.  There is self-advocacy now that didn’t exist even 15 years ago. Tracy talks about some of her early stage investing in the FemTech and PediaTech space including Maven Clinic, PrimaTemp (infertility/fertility), Astarte Medical (improving pre-term birth outcomes), and Madorra (vaginal dryness).  If Tracy could wave a magic wand, she would find a way for people to be able to control their own healthcare.  The US system was designed to cover everyone regardless of the choices they have made.  Now that we move into preventive health, we need to rethink the model and blow it up and start it all over again.  This would put women in charge.  Terri expands on the importance of getting childhood diseases under control to reduce the longer-term quality of life issues and the increase in cost of chronic disease treatment and management.  Tracy talks about the perverse incentives of the pharma companies to develop and sell the billion-dollar drugs to treat sickness rather than having investors invest in companies that are focused on preventive measures.  Tracy talks about gender-based trial design and there has been a significant amount of research around women at different lifecycles related to specific conditions.  She thinks there will be a data play at some point that will consider these differences.    Terri’s Key Takeaway Data is out there; it will be liberated; and it will guide us to better care.    References in the Podcast Stacy Feld: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stacy-feld-0061141/ Ida Tin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/idatin/ Clue: https://helloclue.com/ Maven Clinic: https://www.mavenclinic.com/ Tammi Jantzen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tammi-jantzen-64066b32/ Girl Boss Radio: https://www.girlboss.com/podcast Nicole Dahlstrom:  FemTech Collective:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-dahlstrom-066a1042/ Lola: https://www.mylola.com/ ElleBox: https://elleboxco.com/ PrimaTemp: http://www.prima-temp.com/ Astarte Medical: http://www.astartemedical.com/ Madorra: http://www.madorra.com/ Tueo Health: http://www.tueohealth.com/   Contact Tracy can be reached via LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-warren-57a29/.  You can follow Terri on Twitter at @terrihansonmead or go to her website at www.terrihansonmead.com or on Medium:  https://medium.com/@terrihansonmead.  Feel free to email Terri at PilotingYourLife@gmail.com. To continue the conversation, go to Twitter at @PilotingLife and use hashtag #PilotingYourLife.

Kapitalet | En podd om ekonomi
60: Den bortglömda miljardindustrin

Kapitalet | En podd om ekonomi

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2018 28:31


Hälften av jordens befolkning låter som ett ganska bra kundunderlag. Carl-Johan Ulvenäs har träffat Ida Tin, danskan som efter en nomadisk uppväxt skapade en helt ny bransch.     

bortgl ida tin carl johan ulven
Piloting your Life
Demographics Have Shifted, How About Your Investments

Piloting your Life

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2017 25:06


Terri had the pleasure of moderating a panel at Slush in Helsinki on November 30th and the video was released which allowed Jacqueline to strip the audio for your listening pleasure. The topic was shifting demographics and the need to shift investment along with it. Terri was joined by Monique Woodard of 500 Startups and Albert Wenger of Union Square Ventures.   Who is Terri Mead? Terri Hanson Mead is President of Solutions2Projects, LLC, a consulting company that provides IT strategy and IT compliance services in the life sciences space in addition to expert witness consulting services.  She is also an active angel investor and former Vice President of Sand Hill Angels, regularly advises startups and in her spare time, flies helicopters.  She is passionate about supporting, and advocating for, female founders and investors and has created Class Bravo Ventures to more formally do so.  Show Highlights Setting the stage for the panel discussion with Monique Woodard of 500 Startups and Albert Wenger of Union Square Ventures (USV): this is not a diversity panel; it is a panel on investing Why don’t we see more venture capital going to startups focused on building and providing products and services for these underserved markets? What is the market shift that you see so clearly and how can VCs capitalize on the opportunities for significant and real returns? Should we see the recent IPO of Stitch Fix as something that will ignite the interest of investors in startups targeting the female consumer? Should we see the shift of digital health, specifically in FemTech, from B2C to B2B as being potentially more attractive to the primarily male VCs or will the startups still be overlooked due to lack relatability or the ‘Ick’ factor so commonly associated with female-focused companies? Where are you seeing progress in getting more money into the hands of the startups focused on the black and LatinX markets? Or are you? Do you think we are going to be able to get VCs to shift along with the demographics and demand or do you think we are better off creating new investors to focus on investing in startups that more closely align with their values? Do you think that the political climate in the US will have any impact on startups targeting these under-represented markets? How do we convince our primarily male, white VCs that if they don’t shift their investing lens and strategies that they will be missing out on huge opportunities?   References:   Slush Helsinki: http://www.slush.org/home-2/ Clue app: https://www.helloclue.com/ Ida Tin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Tin Rent the Runway: https://www.renttherunway.com Jennifer Hyman: @Jenn_RTR Stitch Fix: https://www.stitchfix.com/ The Wing: https://www.the-wing.com/roots/   Contacts You can follow Monique on Twitter @moniquewoodard or on her website at http://www.moniquewoodard.com/   You can follow Albert on Twitter @albertwenger or on their website at https://www.usv.com/about/albert-wenger     You can follow Terri on Twitter at @terrihansonmead or go to her website at www.terrihansonmead.com or on Medium:  https://medium.com/@terrihansonmead Feel free to email her at PilotingYourLife@gmail.com. To continue the conversation, go to Twitter at @PilotingLife and use hashtag #PilotingYourLife.

Piloting your Life
Startup conference Slush Helsinki 2016

Piloting your Life

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2017 27:30


 Terri talks about traveling to the startup conference Slush in Helsinki last year via the specially charted flight and how it is like no other startup conference.  She learned about digital health in the Nordics, operated on very little sleep, and was impressed by how well run the event is.  Terri is looking forward tosome new experiences at the event this year including moderating a panel on shifting demographics and the need to adapt to the shift in terms of investing.      Who is Terri Mead?  Terri Hanson Mead is President of Solutions2Projects, LLC, a consulting company that provides IT strategy and IT compliance services in the life sciences space in addition to expert witness consulting services.  She is also an active angel investor and former Vice President of Sand Hill Angels, regularly advises startups and in her spare time, flies helicopters.  She is passionate about supporting, and advocating for, female founders and investors and has created Class Bravo Ventures to more formally do so.   Show Highlights  Terri talks about the chartered flight from SFO to Helsinki, Santa Claus visiting the flight,  the mannequin challenge and collecting her posse as she leaves the plane  Terri takes you through the various events including visiting the Swedish and US embassies in Helsinki   Terri hits a wall on day three of the event, gets a power nap and attends another US embassy event followed by dinner at the hotel to thank her concierge and driver  Terri talks about what she’s afraid on this trip including being in a bathing suit in a sauna in the winter and being disappointed   Terri, Stu and others get to the airport for the flight home in a sleep-deprived state    References:  Slush Flight mannequin challenge video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnigL3ggyVU  Slush Helsinki: http://www.slush.org/home-2/  TheVault: https://www.thevault.co/  Hotel Kamp Helsinki: https://www.hotelkamp.com/en/  Maria 01:  https://maria.io/  Napue gin:  http://kyrodistillery.com/products/#  Roster Helsinki:  https://rosterhelsinki.com/  Clue app:  https://www.helloclue.com/  Ida Tin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Tin    Contacts  You can follow Terri on Twitter at @terrihansonmead or go to her website at www.terrihansonmead.com or on Medium:  https://medium.com/@terrihansonmead  Feel free to email her at PilotingYourLife@gmail.com.  To continue the conversation, go to Twitter at @PilotingLife and use hashtag #PilotingYourLife. 

People First - in a digital age
Podcast #5: Ida Tin, CEO and founder of Clue - om reproduktiv sundhed, Berlin og self-tracking

People First - in a digital age

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2017 14:28


Hear the interview with Ida Tin and the background for idea and development with the App Clue. What does the app feature, how does women use it and how is the App 'doing good'?

I Want Her Job
Ida Tin of Clue, The World's Fasting Growing Period and Fertility Tracking App

I Want Her Job

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2017 30:43


Ida Tin is founder of Clue, the world’s fastest growing period tracking and fertility app. Ida shares why she is so committed to using technology to empower women with more knowledge and control of their bodies and for family planning. Ida is on a mission to help women become more aware and “friendlier with their bodies”. Hear how Ida founded Clue and and about Femtech, an emerging area of technology addressing women’s health. As Ida says “Within Femtech alone there is so much unmet potential. Everywhere we look we see needs that women have that are not being addressed where technology can play a role.” Prior to founding Clue, Ida had a business leading motorcycle tours around the world. Listen to hear how Ida’s background and early interests in women’s health evolved into her role as founder of Clue.

The Top Entrepreneurs in Money, Marketing, Business and Life
How To Build App Worth $10m With 3 Million Users with Ida Tin of Clue EP 154

The Top Entrepreneurs in Money, Marketing, Business and Life

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2016 17:41


Ep 154 features Ida Tin , who’s the co-founder and CEO of Clue, the world’s fastest growing period tracking and fertility application. Ida Tin is the co-founder and CEO of Clue, a digital female health company based in Berlin, Germany whose Clue app is acclaimed as the most streamlined, user-friendly menstrual cycle tracking app available. Born in Copenhagen, Ida graduated from Denmark’s prestigious creative business school, KaosPilots. A lifelong entrepreneur, she previously led motorcycle tours around the world and published a book about her experience, “Direktøs” which became a Danish bestseller. YOUR $100: Remember to subscribe to the show on itunes then text the word "nathan" to 33444 to confirm that you've done it to enter to win $100 every Monday on the show. Do this now. Stop reading this and do it! Click here to join the top tribe and instantly learn how Nathan made his first $10k at 19 years old: http://nathanlatka.com/startertribelive Top Entrepreneurs join Nathan Latka daily inspired by, Art of Charm, Pat Flynn, John Dumas, Entrepreneur on Fire, Chalene Johnson, Lewis Howes, School of Greatness, HBR Podcast, the StartUp podcast, Mixergy, Andrew Warner, AskGaryVee, and the great hosts of BiggerPockets! 3 Key Points: Working in several different fields fosters unexpected skills that become useful in other occupations and ventures. Clue was made because nobody had come up with a modern and data-driven innovation to help women manage their reproductive health. Don’t let your age be an obstacle to your plans. Every age has unique strengths that can be utilized immediately.   Time Stamped Show Notes: 01:00 – Nathan’s introduction to today’s show 01:41 – Ida joins the show 01:41 – Clue doesn’t generate revenue right now, the company is focused on growth. 02:24 – Clue’s raised about 10 million from Union Square Ventures and other investors. 03:09 – Before working on Clue, Ida had a jewelry startup in London and also ran a motorcycle touring company. 03:45 – Despite working in seemingly unrelated fields, Ida’s found that her eclectic experiences help her with current ventures. 04:42 – Clue was made because nobody had come up with a modern and data-driven innovation to help women manage their reproductive health. 05:48 – The company was founded by five people – they were funded 50K euros by investors in the beginning. 08:59 – Clue is approaching 3 million active users (using the app at least once a month). 11:20 – Luckily since Clue has several investors, they’re able to put off creating a revenue channel, while growing their user base. 12:24 – Clue currently has 24 employees. 13:42 – Famous Five   Resources Mentioned: Growth Geeks – The way Nathan hires growth hackers on a per project basis for things like info graphics, blog posts, and other growth projects Clue – Ida’s period tracking and fertility app. @idatin – Ida’s twitter. LinkedIn – Ida’s LinkedIn. CrunchBase – Ida’s CrunchBase Hard Things About Hard Things – Book Ida stands by Slack – Online tool Ida likes Pocket – another online tool Trello – Another online tool Famous 5 Favorite Book?— Hard Things About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz What CEO do you follow?— Vanessa Lee Bush What is your favorite online tool?— Slack, Pocket, Trello Do you get 8 hours of sleep?— More or less If you could let your 20 year old self know one thing, what would it be?— Each age has their unique strengths, go full force with your creative energy regardless of how old you are. Credits Show Notes provided by Mallard Creatives Listen to The Top if you want to hear from the worlds TOP entrepreneurs on how much they sold last month, how they are selling it, and what they are selling - 7 days a week in 20 minute interviews! Join the Top Tribe at http://NathanLatka.com/TheTop The Top is FOR YOU if you are: A STUDENT who wants to become the CEO of a $10m company in under 24 months (episode #4) STUCK in the CORPORATE grind and looking to create a $10k/mo side business so you can quit (episode #7) An influencer or BLOGGER who wants to make $27k/mo in monthly RECURRING revenue to have the life you want and full CONTROL (episode #1) The Software as a Service (SaaS) entrepreneur who wants to grow to a $100m+ valuation (episode #14). Your host, Nathan Latka is a 25 year old software entrepreneur who has driven over $4.5 million in revenue and built a 25 person team as he dropped out of school, raised $2.5million from a Forbes Billionaire, and attracted over 10,000 paying customers from 160+ different countries.   Oprah gets 60 minutes or more to make her guests comfortable to then ask tough questions. Nathan does it all in less than 15 minutes in this daily podcast that's like an audio version of Pat Flynn's monthly income report. Join the Top Tribe at http://NathanLatka.com/TheTop

Tech.eu
Europe's most funded verticals, 500 Startups Nordic fund, White Star Capital and Ida Tin

Tech.eu

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2015 13:08


The Tech.eu podcast is a weekly show where Neil S W Murray and Roxanne Varza discuss the most interesting stories from the European technology scene. On this episode they discuss: - The Tech.eu report on Europe’s most funded verticals – surprise, it’s not travel or e-commerce! - More money in Europe, as 2 new funds pop up; White Star Capital and 500 Startups Nordic fund. - A look at Berlin-based startup Clue and their founder Ida Tin. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Metamuse

Discuss this episode in the Muse community Follow @MuseAppHQ on Twitter Show notes 00:00:00 - Speaker 1: My experience as a team lead is that if your team is aligned going into a project, you get this incredible execution. It’s fun to do, you know, maybe hard work, but you’re all rowing in the same direction, you’re seeing those results when you put the pieces together, they’re all harmonious. Hello and welcome to Meta Muse. Muse is a tool for deep work on iPad and Mac, but this podcast isn’t about Muse product, it’s about the small team and the big ideas behind it. I’m Adam Wiggins here with Mark McGrenigan. Hey Adam. So Mark, it’s been snowing recently here in Berlin, quite cold, and of course I need to not only walk a dog 3 times a day, but now take my daughter to Kita, which is kind of a daycare kindergarten thing in the stroller. So spending a lot of time in the cold these days. How do you feel about kind of places with the full 4 seasons, which I think you grew up in the kind of East Coast United States versus the West Coast or perhaps more southernly lifestyle that is Yeah, I’m a huge fan of the Four Seasons, probably because it’s what I grew up with. 00:01:02 - Speaker 2: Actually, especially here in the Pacific Northwest, now I’m in the inland Pacific Northwest, and it’s just beautiful in the winter with the snow on the evergreens, and it’s very quiet and peaceful. I’m a big fan. 00:01:16 - Speaker 1: I certainly find that change of the seasons just keeps life interesting in a way. There’s something about the passage of that day night cycle. And there’s a similar thing with the 360 something days around the sun, and these quarters, essentially, they each have their own distinctive look and feel, right? The blooming flowers of spring, the high sun of the summertime, the rich autumn leaves in the fall, and then winter with it’s cold and snow and people wanting to stay inside and stay warm and cozy. I don’t know, there’s something about that cyclical aspect that works for me somehow. 00:01:56 - Speaker 2: Yeah, and you’re not only enjoying the current season, there’s an element of anticipation for the next one. So now we’re looking forward to, OK, we’ve shoveled the driveway enough times, we’re looking forward to the snow clearing out, and then perhaps it’ll get hot again, but then once it’s 90 degrees and smoky, you’re like, oh man, I can’t wait for the winter when it’s just cold. So around and around it goes. 00:02:15 - Speaker 1: So our topic today is leadership. I thought this would be a fun one because this is something both you and I have spent a lot of time on in our careers. I’ve been in some way or another leading sometimes reluctantly or with some surprise, small teams for over 20 years now. You’ve done quite a bit of that in your career also, and it’s come up a little bit recently in terms of our work on use for teams, in terms of the kinds of people we’re seeing that see the need for this product, we can talk about that. A little bit later, but as always, we like to start with basics. What is leadership? What does that word bring to mind for you? 00:02:51 - Speaker 2: I’d probably say creating an environment where the team achieves success. Now, you can unpack every word in there and it would be a whole podcast in itself, but I think the main idea there is that ultimately you’re accountable for results, that’s why you’re there, and you can’t do it directly, so you have to build the team and create the environment such that it happens. 00:03:13 - Speaker 1: I suspect a lot of people who are successful at being leaders do come to it, not from the perspective of, I just wanted to grow up and be the boss, you know, as a kid I always dreamed of being the one in the corner office or something. I don’t think that happens too much, but rather that you have some end you want to achieve, something you want to do in the world, and in the process of trying to do whatever that thing is, you realize, oh, I can’t do this alone. I need the help of others, and then that leads you to attracting those others to try to help you with that, and that of course leads you into team building and pretty soon you find yourself in this role of a leader. Another piece of your definition here is the team, and I think implicit in that is the assumption that there is a team, right? And that’s not something that comes from nowhere. I mean, maybe you get hired into some kind of leadership or management role and you inherit a team. But at least in my thinking, kind of coming from the more entrepreneurial perspective, or even if you are hired into a role, you’re often expected to build a team. And so essentially the pragmatically we can say hiring, but even more broadly, you can say the identifying what kind of people you need to achieve your ends, figuring out where to find those people, figuring out how to attract them, you know, what do you have to offer them that would make them want to join up with whatever it is you’re trying to do and Help you achieve the end, and then the onboarding process, as we talked about in our hiring episode, which is a way bigger deal than a lot of people make it. You don’t just hire someone and then they’re suddenly a fully functioning member of the team. There’s this long process that could take many, many months or even up to a year, I think, where someone can find their place and brings their unique skills to the team in a way that Enhances it, and more than offsets the cost of just having one more person around that needs to be in the loop communication wise, as well as the actual just cost of their salary or fee or whatever. 00:05:11 - Speaker 2: Yes, recruiting team is perhaps the most important aspect of leadership, especially in our domain, and I think that also leads into the ongoing personnel management. There’s a great document called the Netflix Culture deck, which we definitely linked to, and one of the insights from that was that. The things that your company values is not what you put on the plaque in the lobby. It’s what you hire for, it’s what you promote, it’s what you reward, and as a leader, you’re gonna be doing a lot of that and therefore creating and disseminating what are in fact the values of the organization. So by that channel and by other channels, I think setting the values of the group is very important. 00:05:52 - Speaker 1: Yeah, I would list setting vision and values as one of the top jobs of a leader. There’s obviously many leaders in an organization, particularly as it grows, but here, if we think of a small team, you know, something like the Muse team, for example, that, you know, less than 10 people, there’s probably sort of one person who’s mainly responsible for sort of leading the overall thing, and In that case, yeah, the setting of the vision and the values, the ongoing understanding of the values, which, as you said, are less what you write down or claim are your values and more what you live every day, and it’s partially determining what those are, which sometimes flows out initially from kind of some of the personal values of the founders. Obviously the vision is something that evolves over time as you get better understanding of the problem and work the idea maze. 00:06:41 - Speaker 2: And this matter of vision is very interesting to me. I think there’s a piece of vision, which is setting out someplace in the distant future, like you go and you sit and you think real hard and, OK, this is where we should be. That’s kind of the easy part of vision. I find that the harder part, and where the rubber really meets the road is conviction and belief. It’s actually incredibly hard to believe in something for the amount of time and the amount of work it takes to accomplish great things. Because if you don’t believe in it, why shouldn’t anyone else? So there’s a lot of, basically emotional work you gotta do to get out there and put yourself out there and put your beliefs out there in front of the team. 00:07:19 - Speaker 1: Believing and especially believing in something that is in the beginning, a true article of faith, something you believe in, but you really have no evidence for it, and part of what you’re doing in the entrepreneurial journey is creating that evidence. And we talked about this with Mario from the generalists when he was on the podcast. We’re talking about narrative and part of the job of a leader, especially a CEO is to create a narrative that captures that vision that is a dream, but an inspiring dream and feels achievable, and there’s a version of that that can become, you know, we’re talking here about faith and belief and narratives and all this starts to sound, you know, a little bit like cult leader like and indeed you can go off the deep end with that, and that is how you get some of these maybe bad examples of companies that seem to suck up all these resources and build this big internal culture of what turns out to be pretty false belief around some cult of personality. That’s like a far extreme, maybe failure case, but there’s a middle ground where you take a visionary, you know, take a Central, kind of almost mythological figure in our field now, which is Steve Jobs, and he would create that reality distortion field, tell that big story, inspire people, and then be able to make that thing come true that seemed impossible at the start. The balanced version of that is the belief, the faith, believing in front of the team, believing in front of the outside world and especially doing that when the going gets rough. It’s easy to believe in time when things are going well and everything’s up into the right. It’s harder to do that when you’re struggling for some reason or other, and there’s always moments of struggle in every company’s story. 00:09:00 - Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it’s also easy to have conviction in a way that’s basically a fantasy. And again, we come back to the importance of results and accountability. The real reason it’s important is that the variance in human performance and achievement. Potential is enormous, and often people don’t realize it. Perhaps it’s because they’ve never seen it, they’ve never had anyone that believed they could achieve at a higher level, and the responsibility with vision and belief and foresight is believing that the team can operate at a higher level, and then seeing that they do, in fact, achieve that level. You gotta do both parts, right? It’s not enough just to say, you know, I believe we can do amazing things. Well, sure, don’t we all? But it’s taking the team there and really achieving it. OK, well, let’s pull out Adam Wiggins trick here and refer to one of the items from your crou lessons for leadership. I think the document was pull link to it. But one of the things that I remember was make it concrete. So, let’s talk about some concrete leaders that you’ve looked up to or learned from. 00:09:57 - Speaker 1: Well, certainly offhand, I think of people who have been leaders to me, which includes someone like Byron Sebastian, who we hired to be the CEO at Hiroku, and I learned a lot from someone like Ida Tin, who’s the founder and CEO of Clue, and, you know, these were both people that just inspired you, but also made you feel like they personally cared about you because in fact, they did. And they did for everyone that was on the team, and made it possible for me to do great, great work with under the umbrella of the leadership they were providing. But I think it’s interesting here to look at maybe public cases, people who are famous enough or maybe just got around to writing their autobiographies that you can sort of reference. We’ve mentioned Steve Jobs already. Bill Gates is another, obviously many folks have questions about maybe some of the ruthlessness he exhibited back in his Microsoft days, but you know, each in their own way, Gates and Jobs, maybe they had some. Problems with being a little too tyrannical in their own way, but this incredible drive, the vision, the unwillingness to compromise and shaped the computing industry of their eras in their own vision of how they thought things could be better, you know, Bill Gates believed in a computer on every desk and he achieved that, and Steve Jobs put a computer in everyone’s pocket and made design a household word. But those are sort of obvious cases. I was just flipping through some of the Books I’ve read, particular biographies or autobiographies, and it’s interesting to look at folks maybe outside the tech field as well. One that comes to mind right away is Ruth Handler. She co-founded Mattel, the toy company, and invented the Barbie doll, and also did other entrepreneurial things in her career, but obviously that was the big success, and there’s an excellent biography about her called Barbie and Ruth, the story of the world’s most famous doll, I’ll link that in the show notes. That is a good example of someone who, I guess maybe more an entrepreneurial leader who’s someone who looked at the toy industry as it existed at the time, looked at the dolls that kids, especially little girls were playing with and said, I think there’s a better way here and ended up not only inventing a new product, but founding a whole company around that and that, you know, company went on to essentially change the, the whole industry to match that vision for that better way. Some other examples there are Bill Walsh, who’s, I think, a coach of some MA football team, and he wrote a book called The Score Takes Care of Itself and the Philosophy of Leadership, lots of interesting stuff in there. That’s kind of what we’ve been talking about already, setting vision and values, you know, we came into kind of a struggling team. And did a bunch of things there in terms of setting a new precedent for how they would collaborate together and what kind of standards they would have, many of which was unrelated to, seemed unrelated directly to just playing the sport. A lot of it was about how they hired people, how they kept their facilities, how they treated each other, that sort of thing. So maybe that comes back to your point about kind of environments. And then the last one I’ll name is, it’s actually more of a book that covered a few different folks in the television industry, which is called Difficult Men, and this is about showrunners, which showrunners are sort of leaders of these within the media industry, but they’re not like film directors, which are sort of these, you know, one off two hour things and they’re not. Directors of individual episodes, they are owners of these big epic stories like I think a few that were profiled here is like The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire, and these are long, long projects with big teams, lots of writers, lots of directors, etc. but of course they’re quite a bit more involved at every level compared to conventional TV. It’s very interesting to read about how they do things and actually one of my takeaways from that book was, and indeed is in the title there is that people with strong vision can often also be very difficult. In fact, they can be, again, I used the word tyrant earlier, I think that people often use that to talk about Steve Jobs style and you see a lot of that with these folks. Now, one exception I do want to point out there is the showrunner from Breaking Bad, who apparently was kind of the sweetest, kindest person and ran the show there and all of that without all of that kind of classic intense boss stuff, which I like that a lot because it shows it can be done and there’s probably a conventional, probably pretty masculine way of kind of leading that is sometimes based on intimidation and I don’t know, various traits that I find not that compelling. But in any case, these TV shows, which are huge artistic efforts, big budgets to manage and over a very long period of time, right, like something goes for 78 seasons, there’s obviously all the build up before that, pilot episodes and things like that. And so, yeah, I don’t know if it’s quite right to say that I look up to any one of these showrunners specifically or see them as Great role models, but just that there’s good patterns across them. These are people who managed to make something unique in the world through organizing a lot of resources and people, which is something I find inspiring. 00:15:08 - Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that domain is incredibly rich, TV and movies, because it’s one where there’s this very complex multidisciplinary, creative, high risk project, and there aren’t that many great analogies, I think, to software development. It’s kind of a weird thing, but perhaps actually the closest is making a movie or a TV series. So I think there’s a lot we can learn from those domains. And by the way, This is a pet peeve of mine, you know, people always say, oh, you can’t estimate a software project. There’s no way to know if it will ever, you know, work or when it will be done, you know, you can’t say anything about any of that. I don’t know, man, people estimate complete movies with thousands of people literally filmed all over the world. I don’t know. I sometimes I don’t believe you when you say you can’t estimate a 5 person software project. 00:15:51 - Speaker 1: Do you have anyone that either you’ve worked with personally or is a more public figure, like one of the ones I’ve named there that you find inspiring or anti-examples, people you think that are not effective leaders or have traits that you think are counterproductive. 00:16:07 - Speaker 2: Yeah, I’ve certainly worked with a lot of different leaders in my times and feel like I’m developing notions based on those experiences that I try to give things more time and distance before I really weigh in. But what I’ll mention is Peter Van Hartenburgh at the lab. I’ve worked with Peter in several different domains, and he’s someone who’s just like a magician with getting the right team together and getting that alchemy happening. And I don’t know how he does it. And frankly, it’s often pretty messy. Leaders have different styles, but man, somehow people show up and they start doing amazing stuff. It’s really amazing to watch. 00:16:40 - Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter the great one, he comes to mind for me as well, and also to your point about styles, he and I could not be more different. I’m all about like structure and clarity and so on, and he has this more, you know, warm, but also kind of loose and flowing approach, and indeed we have together been in kind of like co-leadership positions, maybe I’m, you know, leading on the product and design side and he’s more leading. Engineering team to take one example, and there’s ways those styles don’t really fit together, but then when I’m just watching him do his thing and see the results that come out, it’s just undeniable that he’s got something that really works, even though it’s kind of a mystery to me because I come at it from such a different perspective. 00:17:22 - Speaker 2: And I also look a lot to history. I feel like in the case of historical figures, we have more distance and perspective. Often there’s a lot more data, and because the stakes were often so high, often indeed existential, it really lays everything bare, right? Like there’s no excuses, there’s no ifs ands or buts, there’s no mitigating factors, you know, kind of it is what it is, and it’s settled on the world stage and that’s that. Whereas, you know, if you’re a leader at a big company, is what you’re doing working well because the company is doing well or, you know, whatever, it’s kind of hard to tell. You need more time and perspective and distance. So one example for me is George Washington, who is an incredible example of, well, a personal character, but also B, this idea of vision and belief, you know, believing that you’re going to create a country contrary to the global superpower and, you know, fight a revolutionary war with farmers and merchants, it’s just an incredible story. 00:18:21 - Speaker 1: And one of the things I love about the Washington example as well is he did what was needed in the moment, right? There was fighting a war, but when the war was over, he didn’t try to continue that because he was pretty good at being a general. He moved into a new kind of leadership position, which was being the president of a young nation and trying to preside over building up a government and building up good processes for this new democracy. Something I at least aspire to do in my own. Kind of career as a team lead, which is do what the situation demands, do rise to the moment of what this exact team, this exact company or organization or situation calls for, which often means doing things way outside my comfort zone or having to educate myself about stuff that I have not done in the past, and it would be easier to stick to a thing I know, a skill set I already have, but that’s not what’s really needed in the situation. 00:19:18 - Speaker 2: Another reason that I like to look to history, is that I feel like much of leadership is made in the small details, and unfortunately, we don’t have the small details, we don’t have access to the small details for most contemporary leadership cases. Like the CEO of Microsoft, you know, we don’t really know very much about how he operates unless perhaps you work directly with him at Microsoft. But if you go back to the historical examples, we have, you know, basically all their papers, we’ve triangulated massively. There’s all these different angles that we have on it. We’ve collected all the accounts and you get a richer sense of how they operated day to day. So it’s not about just making a few big decisions and that’s it, even though when you zoom out, you’re seeing this huge global event. It’s really about the individual interactions you have each day, you’re hiring and firing decisions, who you promote, who you don’t, you know, how you motivate the one guy who’s struggling. That’s the really rich texture that I think you need to be able to develop a good sense of leadership. And unless you’re lucky to have a few of those in your life, which I think to varying extent, we’ve been lucky to have that, but there’s this, this incredibly rich historical bounty that we have if we’re willing to go back and look at it. 00:20:26 - Speaker 1: Now going back to a word I think you’ve used a couple times here so far is accountability. I feel like that’s an important one to zoom in on. What does accountability mean in the context of the leader’s job? 00:20:40 - Speaker 2: I think it ultimately means that your success is measured by whether your team achieves the goals that you set out to accomplish. And what’s tough about that is that that being accomplished or not is going to be a function of all the work that the individual people on the team do. So you basically, you’re not directly pulling these levers, that would be responsibility in the management language, right? Like you’re the person actually doing the frontline work, but you still need to be accountable for the results. The sum of all that happens rolls up to you. 00:21:11 - Speaker 1: Roll up is a good word for it, because I think the accountability or holding the organization, the team accountable is a combination of the leader themselves feeling accountable for the overall results, separate from any individual domain that a person might be responsible for, and that includes we just don’t have someone that owns a particular domain, that’s a big gap for us, and we need to do something about that because you’re accountable for what’s there overall. But then there’s also a holding people on the team accountable, and hopefully the team holds itself accountable. Individuals do, and they make commitments to each other and want to keep that commitment in terms of what they’re going to deliver and so forth. But I think the leader’s job is to be accountable themselves, and maybe that somehow goes up to, you know, if you’ve got a board of directors or shareholders or something like that, but in the end, it probably boils down to also just like, if your company fails, you know, that was fundamentally, that was the leader. Failing more than anyone else, but then that also gets echoed back into holding team members accountable, or if you have whole teams that are sort of under your, again, umbrella of leadership that you’re saying like, OK, look, I don’t necessarily know every detail about how you do your work. I trust that you know your skill and your craft better than I do or ever. Well, but look, we need to deliver X and here’s the resources we have to do that. And if you don’t think we can accomplish that, we need to come up with a different plan, for example, and then kind of keeping again coming back to that, repeating yourself and the reminders, not just forgetting about it, but coming back to it to say, OK, how are we doing on this? 00:22:50 - Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there’s a related idea in there of standards. I think an important role of a leader is setting the level of standards within an organization and holding the team to that, and it’s not as easy as it sounds because, of course, we would like to have infinitely high standards and to see. Everyone reaching them, but what happens is if you set the standards too high, that is, you know, of course, if they’re not possible to accomplish, or it’s just the team members don’t believe they can do it, or they don’t feel like they have the support to do it, or they don’t feel like they’re gonna be rewarded if they do do it. Not only are you not reaching the level that you had set as a leader, you’ve lost credibility. So, You need to find the right balance of raising the standards such that the performance of the organization increases but not trying to raise it so high that you detach from reality. Again, I think this is so important in our domain because the level of variance is enormous, and I think people still, even though we have now several decades of experience and Making software. I think people still underestimate a lot, but it’s possible, how fast it’s possible to move, how high quality the software can be, how fast it can be, how reliable it can be, and so on. And so I still think there’s a lot of work left to be done as leaders in this area. 00:24:05 - Speaker 1: Um, one example that I read just recently is Patrick McKenzie and his nonprofit Vaccinate CA, which was basically a kind of information website for availability of vaccines first in California and later in the rest of the United States during our recent pandemic, and he wrote up a in his His usual sharp and humorous style, the full story of their experience and spinning up this nonprofit, the work that they did, and then eventually shutting down when they weren’t needed anymore. But that concept of what’s possible and what standards we hold ourselves to, I feel like permeated the story because there it really was about speed. And they’re doing kind of like a low tech, fast, but accurate thing that would ultimately result in their organization’s mission, which was to get more shots in arms. And so Patrick as a leader in this case, was holding his organization to the standard of speed because that was just everything in this case, getting this information, getting accurate information out to people as quickly as possible, getting the website built and the infrastructure that went with it. And that that sort of was in contrast to what, for example, is pretty commonplace in, let’s say government organization or even government contractors who are used to long cycles and a lot of process, and he came in and said, no, what’s important here is to do it quickly, and holding his team to that standard through a set of sort of practices allowed them to accomplish things that no one else could. But importantly there, and I think in most cases, as you said, it’s the trade-off of what standard are we holding ourselves to in the context of how that helps us achieve our mission. It’s not that we want to, for example, make the most beautiful design possible just because, just because we want the highest possible standard. There needs to be some reason, something we accomplish with a lot of craft put into the design, or for another organization, it might be. A beautiful design doesn’t matter very much, and we hold ourselves to high standards on other things. For example, safety might be something that an airline wants to hold themselves to a very high standard for. So I think it has to be set the standards in a way that fit with the reality of the world, but also the mission of the company and what you’re trying to accomplish and what you’re trying to deliver. Well, maybe now would be a good moment to mention why this topic is on my mind to begin with, which is our team has been working on our new product Muse for Teams, and part of what we’ve done in this alpha program is we have a survey where people can essentially fill it out and describe what they do, what their team is like, and how they idea today and so forth and what their frustrations are, and We didn’t really know what kind of people were going to answer that survey, and indeed we’ve had quite a wide mix, just similar to the new user base, architects, doctors, many students, many professors or other people in the academic space. But one pattern I think that we’ve seen quite a lot of is team leads signing up, and this is interesting because it seems that the problem of, let’s say, a shared collaborative whiteboard or shared documents generally to be a space for a team to idea is something that is a problem that team leads are just Very intimately familiar with, they feel this pain most directly, maybe more than the individuals on the team, and that caused me to be kind of reflecting that, OK, well, why is that? And maybe that’s not a coincidence, right? Part of why I’m driven to build this product is I’m also a team lead, and something that I consider a key part of that job is Yeah, manager speak for this would be alignment, you know, getting everyone on the same page or the basic idea that you can bring together a bunch of amazing craftspeople, but if you don’t agree on what you’re building and what you’re doing here and a direction and you have a meeting and you talk about it, but it’s kind of like subtly wrong and then everyone goes off to their individual things and they’re building stuff. And a week later, a month later, whatever you try to put it together or you come back and look at it and realize you just had all these false misaligned, mismatched assumptions about what you’re really doing there and then that slows everything down and people are demoralized and work has to be undone and so forth, and that my experience as a team lead is that If your team is aligned going into a project, you get this incredible execution. It’s fun to do, you know, maybe hard work, but you’re all kind of rowing in the same direction. You’re seeing those results when you put the pieces together, they’re all harmonious, and I think this is something where the historic solution to this called it alignment problem is these analog tools, right? We get together in front of the whiteboard and we talk about it, we go to the conference room, you know, maybe on a bigger scale, you got the all hands or whatever. But then when you come to remote work, OK, now it’s harder to take advantage of some of those, and I think this is where you have shared documents, you know, I got big into Google Docs basically once I got more into remote teams because that could be a kind of like internal memo. I’ve used email for that, that sort of thing in the past, maybe Slack to some extent or some of that, but I think there’s really nothing like a more kind of free form ideation space, and that indeed seems to be what folks who are Filling out our survey, who are founders or CEOs, particularly of small to mid-size teams, are seeing is that OK, I now have this remote team, we have these time zone differences, we do have all these collaboration tools and different kinds of shared documents, but none of them quite have that same flexibility and kind of all encompassing aspect that you can get out of just physical ideation tools. And as a result, that can be a real impairment for remote team to execute well, and again that moving more slowly and undoing work and frustration as people feel like the pieces don’t fit together. I found that very interesting. I’m curious how you see all that. 00:30:18 - Speaker 2: So we talked a while back about this book called Sketching User Experiences, and one of the key ideas from that book was that the medium that you choose to work in, it sort of tunes your wavelengths that you’re listening into and operating on. So, if you have a very precise medium, you think very precisely and you might therefore lose the bigger picture. If you have an extremely messy medium, you might not get concrete enough. And there’s an important middle there, which he called sketching, which has the benefit of being concreteness, but it’s not about being pixel perfect. And so, one of the original ideas with Muse was that you needed the same thing for, well, ideas, for creative thinking, for planning. It wasn’t super linear, like a text document, it wasn’t. Super mechanical, like a Gantt chart, but it also captured the richness of thinking that people and teams have, it’s multimedia and so on. And so, one of the things we’re hearing from team leads is that According to the medium that they choose, that tends to tune the thinking of the team. So if a team jumps right into Figma, for example, they’re tuned to think about pixels and what’s the radius of this curve and is the shadow rate, or if you jump right into Git and GitHub, you’re thinking, what’s the name of this function be, and so on. Whereas if you center the team around, you know, traditionally it would have been a whiteboard. OK, they’re stepping back a little bit, they’re thinking a little bit more expansively. They’re not worried too much about the details, but it does need to be concrete enough so that you can see where the boxes and arrows are and so forth. So I think the muse does help teams idea on the proper wavelength, if you will, for when you’re brainstorming and forming new ideas and starting to anneal plans together. 00:32:04 - Speaker 1: Yeah, the sketching user experiences book, which is Bill Buxton, if I’m not mistaken, I’ll link that in the show notes. That’s a great one, a little rambly in a way, but lots of good ideas in it, and he also talks about a sketch as being, it’s not about being a drawing specifically, although it often is, and more that it is a thing that proximates the final shape. So it’s cheap to make, so you can make a lot of them and compare them, but it is, as you said, still concrete and you can look at it and discuss it. And another important quality of the sketch is that it’s kind of vague, which is good in the sense that it invites a lot of interpretations, so you can have this kind of ideation experience, particularly between two or more people where you think, OK, here’s kind of what I’m thinking and you sketch it in whatever medium you’re using and someone looks at that and says, oh yeah, I see that that would solve the problem this way. You say, oh, no, no, that’s not what I was thinking. But wait, now that I kind of look at it that way too, well, that’s an interesting idea. So like, The sort of open to interpretation aspect of it serves as a launching off point for the kind of divergent thinking that you should be doing when you’re in the early phases of a project. 00:33:15 - Speaker 2: And that reminds me of another important aspect of ideas and plans is that it’s not just about the final artifacts. It’s about working through it, but I have one called chewing, and if you’re chewing an idea or a plan together as a team, you’ve, well, digested it better to continue with the analogy, right? Like everyone has a better sense of what’s going on, they feel more invested in it. They’re more aware of the trade-offs that you sort of traverse together and things like that. And so that’s part of the vision with use for teams being multiplayer is that instead of having a team lead, write up a document. And cast it about on the team and everyone going from there, it’s more a matter of the team is building this together incrementally, and not only do they share the artifacts at the end, they share the experience of having worked on it, and are therefore more invested in the final result. 00:34:07 - Speaker 1: And that highlights something that was a major piece of learning for me in my leadership career, which is working through the problem, you know, you start with all the inputs and you think about all the constraints and the opportunities in front of you, and you eventually come up with a solution, which might be a plan of action, it might be a rough design or a vision, it might be specific kind of task assignments, and I would tend to think, OK, well, let me bring this. To the team that I’m working with, because this is the plan, but actually that doesn’t work very well. You need to make the plan together, because otherwise, the people don’t feel shared ownership. They weren’t there for the process of seeing why we’re doing exactly what we’re doing. And in many cases, all the different disciplines you may have on your team and the different perspectives, those need to be folded in. Now, it’s not necessarily designed by committee, there does still need to be kind of a central organizing. single mind that can kind of look at everything and make sure it all fits together holistically, but you do need to take into account, you know, the classic example here would be if designers make a design without consulting with engineers, they’re gonna be unaware of both the limitations and the capability of the technology, and they’re gonna ask to be implemented maybe out of step with what’s possible with whatever technology they’re working with, just to take one kind of classic example. So yeah, that process of planning together as a group. And coming to that, like, this is our shared plan is immensely valuable, and I even resist the urge, you know, I like to think strategically, I like to think about what’s next after we finish this current work and What have we learned and how do we fold that into what our next step should be, but I’ve really learned that, you know, hold off a little bit, do it with the team because we need to all do it together, and it’s that experience of going through it together that is going to make it so that when you go to execute the plan, you can do that far better. 00:36:04 - Speaker 2: And I think the most effective version of this, by the way, isn’t all or nothing. The weakest thing you could do is come up with a plan as an individual and cast it over the wall to the whole team. We understand that’s not very strong. It’s slightly better, but still not very good to jump into a meeting with an entire large team and just start planning from scratch. And then end of the meeting, yes, also a mistake, a mistake, right? And so what actually needs to happen is there’s this very organic process. I use the analogy of the spiral, spiraling outward. So typically, you start with some kernel of an idea, like you have this notion that the team should move in some direction, and then you go and you balance that idea off one or two of your close trusted advisors. These are people who you trust to, you know, give you candid feedback, but also kind of keep the idea private because you’re still in the process of nurturing it. And then you might take that idea which is starting to take basic shape and discuss it with your leadership team. And you do some more shaping there, you gather some more data points, and then you might have each of those managers do a brainstorming session with their team and then take the results back to you. And then you might have, you know, some of the managers talk to each other and then you might develop a draft plan and go message test that with a handful of individual people on the team. And then you might send it out to the whole group, right? This is just one example of how a typical kind of communication development and dissemination process might happen. It has many steps with different size groups with different configurations. So one of the original ideas with Muse was to try to facilitate that better and to create this environment where you can have things that are moving between private, semi-public and public and back, and along the way, accreting information. 00:37:47 - Speaker 1: Indeed, and I feel that also touches on the kind of synchronous versus asynchronous discussion we had in our remote work podcast and certainly has come up a lot on the news for Teams product, which is people have the question, is this mainly for synchronous? We’re all on a call together and we can see our cursors flying around, or is it mainly for asynchronous, we’re gonna Send documents back and forth to each other, and I think some of each is the right answer. I think you get different kinds of ideas, different kinds of consensus and buy-in from each of these, but yeah, I think it’s too, I don’t know, laborious, probably wasteful of time, but also for me as an introvert, I just need time and space to think on my own, and I think many folks. It’s too much to try to kind of think in a group. Now you could bring ideas together and that’s where if you’ve all prepared a bit within the new world, you created boards. We do this exact thing, especially for really significant, you know, bigger planning meetings or just discussions about our future, where we say, look, you should think about this on your own if you can, if you can find the time, you know, write up your thoughts, which is could be just. of bullet points, but it could be a really extensive board. We’ll get all those boards, those kind of individual boards together on one shared board, and then we can go through it a bit synchronously and get to shared understanding and hopefully synthesize all of this together into our best solution. So I think there’s really places for both of those in the ideal work process from my perspective. Well, maybe a good place to end would be books or other resources that have been helpful to us and discovering our own path to leadership and what works well on teams. I think you’ve already mentioned the Netflix culture deck, I’ve mentioned a few books that I’ll link in the show notes. Do you have any that you think we should mention for our listeners? 00:39:37 - Speaker 2: I’d actually re-emphasize the history idea. I think it’s just incredibly valuable. And if I was to give concrete advice, it would be to pick some event or time period that you’re really interested in and try to read a half dozen or a dozen books on that same topic, because again, it’s all about getting that richness of Of historical perspectives and angles and information and really understanding the texture of the day to day decisions. And you can learn a lot of the same things from different periods because people have been and are the same. So just find one that you’re really interested in would be up for reading a dozen books and go for it. If I was to pick some more classic management books, the number one book that I recommend to new managers is Slack. I almost feel like it’s mistitled. 00:40:21 - Speaker 1: I mean, the core thesis of the book is I wanted to briefly interject to point out that this book predates Slack, the software product and is unrelated to it, and instead is about the concept of slack in the system in terms of making your team work at 100% efficiency means there’s no slack in the system and that has all kinds of negative downstream consequences for your business, even besides tired and burned out workers. 00:40:44 - Speaker 2: And if I was to give a bit of an oddball recommendation, I would say principles of product development flow. This is a highly analytical book. It’s a cutheoretic analysis of project management, which I know is quite a ways from what we’ve been talking about today, but there are a lot of important ideas, especially for people who work in engineering type domains. So if you have any affinity at all for that sort of stuff, I really highly recommend it. What about you, Adam? 00:41:10 - Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me I get the most value out of stories, autobiographical or biographical accounts of the lives of leaders or sometimes teams in a particular high stakes situation. So certainly when you’re talking about history, I think of, I’ve read biographies of Abraham Lincoln, for example, and the challenges of keeping the nation together and everything else going on during his. Presidency. Another one I really like is about Catherine the Great, who was a really pretty visionary and forward thinking leader for Russia at the time and established a lot of precedents, including writing a super long manifesto about sort of some perspective on making Russia into something a step closer to a modern liberal democracy, which is quite interesting. So yeah, when you read these stories, they’re not telling you, hey, Lincoln. was effective because of this thing or Catherine did a good job because of this thing and therefore that’s a lesson you should apply to your leadership. It’s more, I don’t know, just examples and then those may or may not be directly applicable to what you do, but then you can bring those stories to mind sometimes if you find yourself in a dilemma or a circumstance that resembles in some way. What they went through and think about these examples you’ve seen and how they turned out for them and then think, OK, what can I learn from that? How can I apply that to my specific circumstance, my specific leadership style? And I think that tends to work better, or just be more memorable for me maybe than something that’s a little more prescriptive or abstract. But that said, something a little bit more pragmatic. There are the classic management books, take it, for example, high output Management by Andy Grove or Management by Peter Drucker. Although that actually leads me to maybe a final question here, Mark, which is, do you think that leadership and management are synonymous, essentially two words for the same thing, or do they represent different disciplines? 00:43:11 - Speaker 2: I think they’re very closely related. I think management done well, is just a superset of leadership. Now, when people use these two words, they’re often saying management in such a tone that they’re quite dismissive of it and think perhaps these circles do not overlap at all. And, you know, perhaps it’s valid based on their experience with managers, but I think management done well, includes all the aspects of leadership that we discussed, plus you necessarily have the people responsibility. What about you? 00:43:39 - Speaker 1: Yeah, I really was curious about this and thinking about how we would cover this topic. I think of it as a Venn diagram to the point of your circles, and there’s quite a bit of overlap, but they aren’t necessarily quite the same thing. I think of leadership as more of forging a new path, and I think of management as something that’s more continuing or having something operate smoothly. But I think it’s wrong to think that those can be completely separated or unrelated because so much of keeping, whether it’s a business or a property or anything else, kind of thriving is some element of change, some element of reinvention, so there needs to be some forging a new path. If nothing else, just cause the world is changing around you and you need to keep up with that. And similarly, I think earlier in my career, I, as an entrepreneur, I was so focused on the forge a new path side of things that I didn’t give enough weight and importance to the management side, which includes people management, but also includes Yeah, just what it takes to run a business or keep your offices open or that sort of thing. There is this very pragmatic operating element that is part of what I think of it as management and you can’t really build a thing and lead it without some portion of that. So yeah, I don’t know if that’s enough to do a whole podcast on management in the future or maybe the two are So bound up that it’s not helpful to differentiate between them. But for me, I think it was somewhat of an epiphany moment to realize that there is this discipline called management that it is, as you said, maybe it’s a super set of leadership or maybe it’s just an overlapping piece, and indeed that name or term or concept appears in product management, for example, and I think there’s a Subtle meaning to that that is useful to understand, at least for me, when I did start to understand it, also greatly expanded my understanding of what it means to be a leader and how I wanted to grow in my career. So, yeah, it’s a tricky one. 00:45:44 - Speaker 2: Flipping this around, I think it’s the case that one doesn’t need to be a manager to be a leader. Perhaps that’s a good message to close up the podcast with, but this is something that anyone can step up and do. And indeed, it’s the nature of leadership that people aren’t going to give that to you, something that you have to take on yourself and demonstrate initiatives going back to one of our very first points about vision and belief and conviction. 00:46:06 - Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that’s actually one of the best moments on a team is when someone sort of unexpected steps up, takes ownership of something, takes the lead on something, and they don’t need to be the boss, and they don’t need to have vested authority. They just see a problem, see an opportunity for things to be better on the team and find a way to lead. In the direction of how that can be improved, and seeing that happen, spontaneously seeing that person grow into whatever that leadership moment is for them is, to me, it’s one of the best parts of being on a team and doing the work we do. Well, let’s wrap it there. Thanks everyone for listening. Join us in Discord to discuss this episode with me, Mark, and our community, the links in the show notes. You can also follow us on Twitter at MA HQ, and Mark, thanks for all the leadership you’ve shown in all the various teams we’ve been on together over the years. 00:47:02 - Speaker 2: Right on, well, learned a lot for you, Adam.