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It's time for One Funny Morning with special guest, Comedian and Actor - Katie Hannigan! A little more about Katie ... she is a stand up comic, actor and writer. Her stand up has been featured on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central, Just For Laughs New Faces, The Late Late Show with James Cordon, and MTV. Her debut album Feeling of Emptiness was named Ten Best of 2022 by the Interrobang. Katie is a member of SAG AFTRA and has appeared in That Damn Michael Che, Succession, PBSkids, commercials for Subway, Cheezits, Mabelline, Home Depot, and many indie films and sketches. Katie's writing credits include the original series Death Hacks starring Thomas Middleditch and Kristen Schaal. Katie hosts the popular podcast Lady Journey with comedian Sarah Tollemache, who will be joining us on Tipsy Tuesday in a few weeks … and they both will be appearing at the Vail Comedy Festival this Memorial Day weekend. Check out the full list of Katie's tour dates here: www.katiehannigan.com

And we are calling it the saddest publicity stunt in history! There's no way they're being for real with this. Plus, we rip into James Cordon for making fun of Jack's mum apparently???See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Sarah welcomes Heather Bradford, a certified nurse-midwife, assistant professor, and researcher, to discuss the critical issue of weight bias in healthcare. Heather shares her journey from clinical practice to academia, where her experiences and observations inspired her groundbreaking research into how weight bias impacts patient care and outcomes, particularly in obstetrics.Together, they unpack the subtle and explicit ways weight bias manifests in healthcare settings, explore its far-reaching consequences on patient health and trust, and challenge providers to reflect on their own biases. Heather also highlights the need for systemic changes and shares insights from her research, including practical steps providers and nurses can take to provide more equitable, compassionate, and effective care.This thought-provoking conversation invites all healthcare professionals to reexamine their approach, up-level their practice, and contribute to better outcomes for patients in larger bodies. Tune in for an eye-opening discussion that's as empowering as it is essential.Helpful Links:- Take our Physiologic Birth Class! - Bill Mahr Attack on James Cordon's Fat Shaming- Haes Framework- Implicit Association Test - Used to Measure Implicit Bias- Rebecca Puhl - Leading International and National Expert on Weight Bias- The UCONN RUDD Center for Food Policy and Health

Absolutely delightful New York Comedian Katie Hannigan and I chat about the Enneagram (a 2000 year old personality chart) and planning her Wedding!!!! So much fun!!! Katie and Sarah Tollemache's Podcast Lady Journey https://ladyjourney.org/ https://www.instagram.com/katiehanniganforever/ https://www.facebook.com/katie.hannigan1 https://www.youtube.com/@UCSqkQjAkfeLYBCVJZ5O0dVw Sally Brooks Book "Going to Maine"https://a.co/d/j6BecDJ Send me your questions to ask her on the pod! Katie Hannigan is a stand up comic, actor and writer. Her stand up has been featured on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central, Just For Laughs New Faces, The Late Late Show with James Cordon, and MTV. Her debut album Feeling of Emptiness was named Ten Best of 2022 by the Interrobang. Katie is a member of SAG AFTRA and has appeared in That Damn Michael Che, Succession, PBSkids, commercials for Subway, Cheezits, Mabelline, Home Depot, and many indie films and sketches. Katie's writing credits include the original series Death Hacks staring Thomas Middleditch and Kristen Schaal, for Augenblick Studios. Katie hosts the popular podcast Lady Journey with comedian Sarah Tollemache. Episode 75 Atlanta based Stand Up Comedian, Amy Brown, invites funny people into her costume chamber to find out what they are Nerdy For. Join her for a weekly gigglefest where she touches on a broad range of topics like motherhood, joke writing, book writing, seasonal depression, how dogs are better than cats, yeah, I said it. New episodes drop every Monday Night. Audio out Tuesday Morning everywhere. Full Video on Youtube and Spotify. https://amybrowncomedy.com/podcast GOD IS SASSY! TRUCKER HATS! https://amybrowncomedyshop.square.site/ For more nerdy comedy subscribe and like my YouTube Page. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjWEzSFwmUdD_vUneaHBEOw My shows are here… https://linktr.ee/AmyBrownComedy https://www.facebook.com/amy.g.brown.739/ https://www.instagram.com/amybrowncomedy https://www.twitter.com/amybrowncomedy Amy Brown's silly smart ​standup reflects on motherhood, dyslexia, and the perils of shorty shorts. ​Accolades include​ being a touring headliner for Moms Unhinged, opening for Real Housewife of New York, Sonja Morgan in Sonja In Your City, April Macie, Emmy Blotnick, Liza Treyger, Ali Macofsky & Adrienne Iapalucci. She is a regular at Atlanta's Laughing Skull Lounge and was in the top 101 in The World Series of Comedy 2022/2023 in Las Vegas. She was a finalist in the Funniest Person in Rochester 2022 and has performed in The Rochester Fringe Festival, The Boulder Comedy Festival, Oak City Comedy Festival, The North Carolina Comedy Festival, and West End Comedy Fest. She also hosts a weekly podcast and Youtube series called Nerdy For. Find her at www.amybrowncomedy.com. Stand Up, Standup Comedy, Comedy, Podcast, Comedy Podcast, Amy brown, Amy brown comedy, women in comedy, nerds, costumes, Fun, Funny, laughing, moms, motherhood, Southern Comedy, Redneck Comedy,

Ty & Eric discuss their shared hatred for James Corden, a brawl breaking outside famous NY restaurant Balthazar, trying to lay down Drake vocals at the karaoke bar, Lana Del Ray's secret marriage to a crocodile wrangler, securing a reso at Carbone Vegas, updates on the Diddy case, and why Kanye is on the brink of a comeback.-Shop Think Fresh Merchandise: shop.thinkfreshpodcast.comGet 30% Off Zencastr Pro: zen.ai/thinkfreshFollow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/thinkfreshpodcast

Who's the hottest cult leader? Plus- Donald Trump's trial, Jenna Jameson's divorce, Courtney Love v. Swifties, up-skirter busted on camera, Jeff Bezos' doppelgänger, and a hotel in the news has some bad 1-star reviews. The missing 14-year-old twins from Detroit have been found at a local hotel with a 30-year-old. Our focus immediately goes to the reviews for the hotel. The Detroit Red Wings made it interesting at the end of their year, but fall short of the NHL Playoffs. A Trevor Bauer accuser has been indicted in Arizona. Will the 33-year-old ever get another shot in the MLB? Former Detroit Lion CB Cam Sutton entered a diversion program on his battery charge. Atlantic City Mayor Marty Small has some explaining to do after his home was raided. The Synanon Fix on HBO leads us to Trudi selecting the hottest cult leader of all time… bracket style. Caitlin Clark was the #1 overall pick in the 2024 WNBA Draft. People are whining about her salary because it's not as much as an NBA Player. President Joe Biden weighs in for votes. Donald Trump is SO sleepy in court. Seven jurors have been selected thus far. Trump was scolded in court for muttering at a prospective juror. Mark Cuban paid a lot in taxes and wants you to know about it. King Charles BLOWN OUT at CNN. It should have been named Gayle Barkley. Carol Baum said Sidney Sweeney is not pretty. Carol Baum is wrong. Neal Brennan's new special on Netflix is pretty good. Jenna Jameson and her wife are headed for Splitsville. Also, Jenna Jameson was married to a woman. The breakup occurred via TikTok. Follow this stupid story: The chef that was mad at James Cordon, Keith McNally, made a really mean post about Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. Chrissy Teigen, who DM'd a 16-year-old to tell her to kill herself, comes to Sanchez' defense. This dude makes a living as a Jeff Bezos doppleganger despite not looking like Jeff Bezos. Trudi's old refrigerator gained weight. Kansas City Chiefs WR Rashee Rice sued over his Lambo accident. Courtney Love is popping off again. Rolling Stone listed all of her beefs. The Swifties are after her for being wrong about Taylor. People are waiting in line for a Taylor Swift pop up art to promote her new album. Beatles nepo-babies put out a new song. This student is a madman. Katie Couric appeared on Club Random with Bill Maher. The NPR whistle-blower was suspended and then resigned. An up-skirter at Target gets his comeuppance, but the true star of the video is the rando that appears on screen. Drew has discovered the band The Only Ones. Kate Moss' half-sister is smoking hot. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

James Cordon is having some awkward convos regarding his exit from the late night TV. Website

The blessings don't stop for you on this brilliant episode of Apocalypse Soon with Eddie Pepitone. From Netflix to James Cordon, no one is safe from the logical scrutiny and brilliant mind of Eddie Pepitone. On this episode we check in with Al & Margaret, do some guided meditation, sell a little perfume and we pray for celebrities. Go to www.SheathUnderwear.com and use code "PEP" at checkout for 20% off your first order. Check out the full videos of the podcast here: https://shorturl.at/mpsIL For additional content support Eddie on Patreon: www.patreon.com/eddiepepitone Write us a review on iTunes https://tinyurl.com/mv57us2d Watch The Bitter Buddha the doc by Steven Fienartz about Eddie. https://tinyurl.com/The-Bitter-Buddha Send emails to: EddiePepPodcast@gmail.com Follow Eddie on Twitter: @EddiePepitone Instagram: @EddiePep Follow Kevin @KevinTienken Go to www.eddiepepitone.com for show dates and all things Eddie  Thank you to Allen Mezquida for our beautiful artwork

Anna and Allie are back with episode 34 of The Bailey and Harding Ultrasound System and this week's chat is another eclectic mix of running, non-running, podcast chat and more! Allie gives us an insight into her upcoming (at time of recording!) weekend on the Spine Race Safety Team and Anna's got mixed feelings about her longest run in a while that's ended with a pain in the butt. Boooo. Plus, is the William Tell Overture a good tune to run to? Find out!All the links:James Cordon & Alanis Morissette Update "ironic' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVJpOmaDyUInstagram: www.instagram.com/ultrasoundsystempodPlaylist: https://bit.ly/ultrasoundsystemplaylistEmail us: ultrasoundsystempod@gmail.com

Uncover the secrets to optimising your potential, rewiring your brain, and learning new tools for self-improvement in this episode with Paul McKenna.Paul McKenna is a behavioural scientist and author, with the goal of helping people become the best version of themselves. Drawing from his experiences working with people like The Who's Roger Daltrey and James Cordon, Paul explains the power of rewiring the mind and the transformative effects of visualisation and hypnosis. Paul debunks the misconceptions about hypnosis and shares how it can empower individuals by granting them more control over their minds, rather than taking away power. Jake and Damian are guided by Paul through a visualisation practice, aimed at utilising both of the positive and negative parts of the self to help them find their ‘optimised super-self'. Paul offers practical steps to developing self-belief and inner confidence. Drawing from his most recent book, Success for Life, this episode explores the power of the mind.Find Paul's book, Success for Life, here: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/12437/9781802797886 We are reading Paul's book this month in The High Performance Book Club. Join the HP Book Club here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/highperformancebookclub Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join us to Discuss Books we read in 2023 including Disco Deathtrap: Year of Blood, Summer of Night, My Darling Girl, Jaws, If It Bleeds, Hell's Half Acre, People Who Eat Darkness, James Cordon and Matthew Perry's memoirs, Headful of Ghosts, Alice and It's Not You by Dr. Ramini. Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ All music and sound by Mannequin Uprising. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/terrortalk/message

The Colum Tyrrell Podcast welcomes stand-up comedian and podcast host Andy Haynes. People know Andy from Don't Tell Comedy, Comedy Central, James Cordon, Conan and appearances on Stavvy's World and Ari Shaffir's Skeptic tank. The Colum Tyrrell Podcast is hosted by stand-up comedian Colum Tyrrell. Collie has been seen on comedy podcasts The Legion of Skanks Podcast, Matt & Shane's Secret Podcast, Real Ass Podcast, YKWD, Dan Soder & Big Jay Oakerson's The Bonfire and more. To get this episode early and to sign up for exclusive content you can support the podcast here: https://www.patreon.com/columtyrrell LIVE STAND-UP DATES: https://linktr.ee/columtyrrell Follow Colum on social media here: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/columtyrrell Twitter - https://twitter.com/columtyrrell

In this chapter of the crown podcast, we are joined by the incredible artist, vocalist, writer and visionary Annabel (aka Black Cactus). Annabel's body of work speaks for itself, working with the likes of Tom Odell, Plan B, Paloma Faith, Beenie Man, Jamie Cullum, Stormzy, Wiz Kid and Stevie Wonder. In addition to this, she has performed on some of the world's biggest stages, including the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, the Graham Norton Show, Friday Night with Jonathan Ross, the Late Show with James Cordon, The Brit Awards, Glastonbury, V Festival, Love Box Festival, Secret Garden Festival, and most recently, she a member of the Mocalists on The Lateish Show with Mo Gilligan. We have a deep, but candid conversation about embracing your essence and living authentically; the beauty of it. We speak about depression, finding our inner-voice, grief, healing, boundaries and the importance of the relationship with self. A safe space where you can breathe again.

This week we are joined by Katie Hannigan! Katie is a stand up comic, actor and writer. Her stand up has been featured on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central, Just For Laughs New Faces, The Late Late Show with James Cordon, and MTV. Her debut album Feeling of Emptiness was named Ten Best of 2022 by the Interrobang and is now a full special on YouTube. Katie performs nightly in NYC at the Comedy Cellar, New York Comedy Club, and Gotham Comedy Club. Katie is also the cohost of the Lady Journey Podcast! Make sure to check her out!In this episode we discuss growing up in Indiana, self care vs laziness, different phases of the menstrual cycle, flaking on Thanksgiving, being a theater kid, getting comedy inspiration from the movie “Clue,” living in gratitude, and so much more! You don't want to miss our discussion about the importance of climate consciousness. Give this episode a listen!Recommendations From The Episode: Lady Journey Podcast - International Move with Kaneez SurkaHalf the Sky: Turning Oppression into Opportunity for Women Worldwide by Nicholas D. Kristof and Sheryl WuDunnMen Explain Things to Me by Rebecca SolnitFollow Katie Hannigan: @katiehanniganforeverFollow Carly: @carlyjmontagFollow Emily: @thefunnywalshFollow the podcast: @aloneatlunchpodPlease rate and review the podcast! Spread the word! Tell your friends! Email us: aloneatlunch@gmail.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jesse McLaren is a Jimmy Kimmel writer.Show NotesJesse McLaren on Twitter - https://twitter.com/McJesseJesse McLaren on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/larenmcjesse/Free Writing Webinar - https://michaeljamin.com/op/webinar-registration/Michael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Watchlist - https://michaeljamin.com/watchlistAuto-Generated TranscriptJesse McLaren:If something just pops into your head on a Saturday of a story that, you know, you'll be talking about Monday, right? Like, I I did it. I got, I got something I know is like, gonna be really funny to pitch on Monday, right? So it's actually a little bit of a relief. It's not like, oh, I can't stop thinking about work. It's like, oh, and now I don't have to stress Sunday night or whatever. It's like, I know that, well, I'm gonna go into Monday with something I think is, is strong.Michael Jamin:Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to another episode of Screenwriters. Need to Hear This. I got a very interesting guest today because he's gonna tell us all about something I know very little about, but I always aspired to do when I was younger. This, this, my next guest, Jesse McLaren, is a writer on Jimmy Kimmel. And again, I like, yeah man, I, I just wanna know all about that. Cause as a child, I was like, man, I, that, that would've been the, the pinnacle. But I went another way. I went into sitcom writing. But, but, but, but with how we met, we were, I was walking the strike line outside of Disney and then Jesse goes, Hey man, I know you. And he pulls me over cuz he follows, I guess he follows me on TikTok or Instagram. And I was like, Hey, what do you doing? And he's like, I'm on Kimmel. So, welcome to this show. Thank you Jesse, for being here.Jesse McLaren:Thank you for having me.Michael Jamin:Yeah. I wanna know all about, and I asked you, I asked him you know, you, I guess I'll talk to you like how you broke in and you're like, Twitter. So tell me what that, how that all came about?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I'm you know, like I, I've always wanted to work in late night. That's always been my end goal. And, you know, as aMichael Jamin:Kid, sawJesse McLaren:ConanMichael Jamin:AsJesse McLaren:A child. Yeah. Yeah. I remember like cutting school to see Conan. I, I grew up in Long Island andMichael Jamin:So you go into the city to see a show.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I just remember like watching in between, you know, the the segments, just watching the people behind the scenes going like, how do I end up working here when I was like, you know, 16 maybe.Michael Jamin:Wow.Jesse McLaren:And then I always watch work late night. Yeah.Michael Jamin:And then what did you think about, like, usually you, you write a packet and you submit, right? Is that, but you didn't do that,Jesse McLaren:That's usually what you do. Yeah. I mean, I for Kimel they found me on Twitter. So, you know, after I, I started tweeting jokes and making videos on Twitter as much as I could for a period of time. I used to work at you know, for a while I worked at different TV shows. So I, I'm one of the, I think many people late night who worked production jobs first. Right. I used to work at the field, field departments and that kind of thing.Michael Jamin:Yeah. I noticed it. So you worked like, on, on Colbert, you did a bunch of different showsJesse McLaren:Right. Yeah. I worked on a lot of daytime TV shows, Uhhuh , kind of, it's actually kind of a similar structure, you know as far as how the show runs, but it's obviously very different content. Right. Michael Jamin:But why didn't you ever start writing packets and submitting, or, I don't even know how that works. Why, why didn't you do that?Jesse McLaren:Well, I did. So when I was, you know, I, I, my first, I, you know, landed a job that was my dream, which I worked at the Colbert Poor. Right. doing production, doing you know, the field department when he would travel to DC and that kind of thing. And interview congressman. Right. A series called Better Know A District. Mm-Hmm. . And whenever a writer job opened up there, anyone who was in the, you know, a PA or an ap, which I was, or anything like that, they would submit a packet. And you know, then starting, like, you get to know the writers and you start hearing rumors like, oh, you know, they're starting a new show called Larry Wilmore. Right. And, you know, our whatever. And you start submitting packets to whatever you can as someone who's not represented, but someone who kind of has,Michael Jamin:So how do you submit even if you don't have an agent?Jesse McLaren:Well back at that point, it was like, if you, you know, like you have a friend of a friend who's like submitting and they'll say, this is the email we're told to send it to. By this time it kind of becomes this like, network of just like, you know, so like, if you find out about a packet, you might tell some of your other friends, there'sMichael Jamin:A packet going on. So. Okay. Good. So how did you make, how did you have friends that knew all this?Jesse McLaren:I think that was from working at Colbert, you know, I was, I interned there, I applied as in when I was in college, I applied to be an intern at Everywhere, but I ended up at MTV Networks. Right. And you know, it was like my second to last semester I was interning at Nickelodeon mm-hmm. and like in a tape room, just like, just filing tapes. And I, and in the orientation I heard someone in the elevator go, oh, you know, I'm gonna be at the Daily Show. And that's went wait, that, that was a possibility, you know? Yeah. and in New York at that time, yeah,Michael Jamin:Go ahead. No, tell, keep going. This's just fascinating to me. Go ahead.Jesse McLaren:This the, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report were like the two shows under MTV that were actually a show that shot and you would actually be part of a production, you know? Yeah. so I applied to be at the Colbert Report. I think it helped that I already had an internship with NT Networks and I interned there eventually, you know, made connections there, which sometimes throughout the next few years, like if they needed a PA for the week, I would come by and that kind of thing.Michael Jamin:See, this is what I'm always telling people. I say, get as close as you can physically to the job you want. And that's what you did is as an intern or pa whatever it is, you're just getting close. Just so you could learn, be around it, hear from other people, and just make those contacts that way. Right. And then, yeah.Jesse McLaren:Yeah.Michael Jamin:And then when you're putting together packets, I mean, each show they kind of do, they kind of want different stuff? I mean, they might, they must say they do, they must say no, Conan's voice is this and, you know, were you studying the Yeah,Jesse McLaren:I mean, every packet's way different. I mean, the, at the time the Colbert packet I remember was like pretty intense. It was like, you had, you had that segment, the word Uhhuh , I dunno if you're familiar with the show, but that one. But it was pretty, it was, you know, a to camera on one subject and it would have all these editorial like voices through text, just kind of like shining in Okay. As jokes. But also, and it was kind of complicated, especially if you've never written for, you know, like it's one thing to write a page of monologue jokes, but it's another like, write an entire one of these segments that has to like, you know, be about a topic that needs attention and then it's written in a clever way and, you know, so, butMichael Jamin:So you're basically coming up, were you coming with any original stuff or just like, okay, here's my version of, you know, of that the word or you, or you coming with any new bits for him to do, you know what I'm saying? Any like, you know,Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Any packet I've ever seen has always been different. Some, so that show specifically, I think they really were like, like focused on what they want. Right. For the packets. Like one of these segments we do one of these segments, we do, maybe it, you know, I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was pretty much like especially cuz that that was show wasn't like monologue jokes. It was a character who had a very specific point of, you know didn't realize he was saying funny things like that kinda thing.Michael Jamin:Right. And so you turn you hand in these packets. It's not like they have a hiring season, they justJesse McLaren:No. IfMichael Jamin:You get lucky, if they, if they were hiring today, great. If not, maybe they keep you on file. Is that how it works?Jesse McLaren:I guess. I mean, I've never gotten hired from a packet, so it's like, I don't, you dunno. I think every show is completely different and I think every you know, I'm not entirely sure how we do it at Kimmel, but I, and I know they found me through, through Twitter. I know other people have written packets for them, but I, and so onMichael Jamin:Twitter, this is amazing. So you're just going out. What were you doing at the time? You've been on Twitter for how, for how long? How many years?Jesse McLaren:Like a while , I mean, I worked at like, so let's see, probably like eight years. I've been like actively really using it aMichael Jamin:Lot. And so every morning you, how would, like, before you get hired by Kimmel, what's your, what's your process for writing? You just come up, you sit down on the table, you read the newspaper and you try to bang out 10 jokes or what do you do?Jesse McLaren:No, I think it's more quality over quantity for that kind of thing too. Cuz you just wanna, I think the thing with Twitter is it's like, you know, but when the news story happens, this wave and you kind of want to get the funniest joke in there as early as possible.Michael Jamin:But are you ta Okay, so, but are you just putting it on your feed or are you writing it under el someone else's comment? Like a news, someone like newscaster's comment and then you, you know, to try to get their trafficked?Jesse McLaren:I think it, no, just writing a joke about, everyone's talking about one thing, you know, if you just have the perfect thing I'm trying to think of a good example. It's really hard off the top of my head. ButMichael Jamin:So you just post it in your, your feed, you give it a hashtag hope someone would search for it, hopes hope one of your whatever friends will follow you. Retweets it and it goes viral. Yeah. That's your plan, that's your, that's your plan basically. Yeah.Jesse McLaren:I think every social media's a little different, but like, especially Twitter, the whole thing is trying to get retweets. That's how something, and so how very quickly could have, you know,Michael Jamin:But then how, okay, so something would occur to you and then you'd write a couple jokes or just one or what, or as it as it comes, you just tweet it. And now did you have a schedule? Did you have any kind of discipline to this or were you just like, whatever came to you?Jesse McLaren:I don't think I had any discipline. No. I think with Twitter it's like, you know, it's in a, an addiction almost. It's just uhhuh. You'll be out today with your friends, you'll look down at your phone, just see like, oh my God, I can't believe, you know, just something happened. AndMichael Jamin:Okay. So you, you're on there a lot then basically you're,Jesse McLaren:I used to be on there very often. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Really. And so on an average day before you were found, like how many tweets would you send out in a day?Jesse McLaren:I don't know, maybe like five to 10 kind of. Okay. It's hard to tell. Yeah.Michael Jamin:And then some would get, but a lot ofJesse McLaren:It would also, yeah. And a lot of it would also just be like at work. I also worked at Buzzfeed for a while. Okay. So I kind of, one I in real life had knew people who you know, we followed each other on social media, but they had big social media followings. So they saw something, I tweeted a joke that they liked, they might retweet it and that would get me more followers. And then it also just working there really taught me a lot about how social media works and yeah.Michael Jamin:What, what, what did you learn that you could share? Like what's your take big takeaway?Jesse McLaren:Well, I think, I mean specifically with jokes and Twitter, I, you know, one, they all change over time a little bit. But I, I think Twitter consistently, like the, if you want a lot of people to see something you made, it almost doesn't even matter how many followers you have. But if you can get something retweeted a lot, it can kind of just work away brush fire where, you know, you might have, you know, 30 followers, but if someone sees it and retweets it and more people do it, it could, butMichael Jamin:Are youJesse McLaren:Creating a brand 30,000?Michael Jamin:Yeah. Are you staying on brand when you do this? Or are you like, cause it's one thing like, okay, this guy tweets out funny topical jokes every day and he is not tweeting out what he ate for lunch. Like, you know what I'm saying? Do, are you staying on brand? I'm a joke writer and that's it.Jesse McLaren:I don't know. Maybe, I mean, yeah, I don't know.Michael Jamin:You don't know. You're just going with it. Whatever was wor I mean, it worked. I'm just curious how it, how it worked.Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I mean, to me it was just always jokes and you know, I would also, you know, make videos or Photoshops just, you know, pieces of actual media, that kinda thing, Uhhuh. But it was always the goal of, you know, tweeting something and seeing as many people trying to get a lot of engagement with itMichael Jamin:And thenJesse McLaren:Hopefully something funny. Yeah.Michael Jamin:And then someone found it and then had, tell me how Kimmel came about.Jesse McLaren:I think, well over time, like, you know, I, the more I started realizing that this could lead to a writing job more than I, you know, I used to work at the Colbert Report, I submitted packets places, but that never really did anything for me. Right. Always, you know, never WereMichael Jamin:You frustrated? Were you frustrated by that? Were you upset or what, you know, when you weren't getting hired, what, how, what was your take on that?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, it's frustrating. It's also, if I go back and read one of those packets now I like can't do it. You know? So it's like, at the time I thought this is like the best interesting thing I've ever written. How could they not hire me? And thenMichael Jamin:Interesting. And really, cuz you've really grown and that just comes from practice, you think? Or what?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I think, you know, it's any, anything that gives you actual feedback is really important. And to me, Twitter gave me feedback. I'm really like, you know, not comfortable on stage. I don't have that drive. I don't like doing Right. Performance.Michael Jamin:I asked you that if you're a standup and you're like, no, I don't want to, I don'tJesse McLaren:Wanna do standup. Yeah. It's like, I never no interest. I like the one, the few writers who doesn't wanna be on camera Uhhuh. But Twitter for, that's why for me specifically, it was a really good way to learn how to be a better writer just because you'd see what people actually find funny and especially once, you know.Michael Jamin:Okay. So then how, so someone, somehow, one of your tweets, do you know which one landed on the, on the desk of Jimmy Kimmel somehow?Jesse McLaren:I'm not sure which one. I think it might have been about Mike Ee.Michael Jamin:Oh,Jesse McLaren:Okay. I feel like it was like some kind of like, I tweeted something, I just remember I think like Julie Louis Dreyfus maybe retweeted it or something. It's like sometimes you would see like, oh, this person retweeted or tweet, you know?Michael Jamin:Right. Jesse McLaren:And then I just remember like within quick succession, like Jimmy and a couple of his writers our producers followed me like within like 15 minutes. So I don't know if it was from that tweet or if it was from, you know.Michael Jamin:And how would you, how would you know? I mean, you're not following your followers by the second, I mean, no,Jesse McLaren:I, I if it says like, when, like, I think when someone verified, followed you. Okay. At that point it would be like, before people were verified, they were like, you know,Michael Jamin:And so you noticed they followed you and you're like, damn, this is good. And then what happened?Jesse McLaren:And then yeah, I eventually they reached out and just said, Hey, when, you know, we would respond to know more about you. And eventually that kind of turned into an interview process, you know, once I expressed.Michael Jamin:But they didn't ask ask you to submit a packet though?Jesse McLaren:I didn't end up submitting a packet for them. No.Michael Jamin:They just looked at your body of work on Twitter and go, okay, this guy's funny, consistently funny. Right.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I think, I think I kind of treated that week as my, or whatever it was as my packet where I would just consistently tweet things that I thought were in the show's voice or that they would maybe see and go, God, I wish, you know, we should have, we should have thought of that. You know, anything that I can think that they might think that is like what I really tried to do. AndMichael Jamin:Okay, so then they hire you. Tell me what your day is like. Well, first of all, are you working in person or are you on zoom or remote or now, you knowJesse McLaren:Yeah, we're in person.Michael Jamin:Yeah, you're in person. So you go to work, you show up, what, 10 o'clock?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, we start early at home and we write a lot of our jokes at at home first, which is great.Michael Jamin:. So you come in prepared. How many, how many jokes will you have when you come into work?Jesse McLaren:We will, you know, we'll write anything from, they'll always say it's quality over quality. Right. You know, they don't wanna have to sift through too many jokes just cause you wanna, you know so like, I would say that anywhere from 10 to 20 is normal.Michael Jamin:You feel good about it, you feel good there. Okay. These are, and then,Jesse McLaren:But it's, it matters. Which of your jokes get kicked. So in the morning then, you know, they'll kind of, I think Jimmy will go through all the material and at that point, you know, that's, that's all you care about. You know, you don't care about how many jokes you sent, you care about how many eventuallyMichael Jamin:Get. And so on a good day, what, how many of your jokes will get in on, on into the mono? You're talking about the monologue now?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Yeah. I could someone told me when I started I've heard this from other shows too, people say like, one is a good day or is an amazing day. Right. That's something I've heard like at Colbert. And I think that kind of holds up. Like if you get, but it's more about, you know, it's not just jokes, it's kind of over time. Like, if you have one joke a few days in a row, maybe that's not great. If you have one day that was just incredible, you had a segment you wrote that did really well, you'd feel good. Right? And the next day you don't get any jokes, you know, you just be like, okay, well I had a great day yesterday and today I didn't get as many on.Michael Jamin:What, what do you do with the jokes that don't get selected? Do you tweet them or are they just go in the garbage?Jesse McLaren:I used to, sometimes I would tweet them, but it's, it just felt like, you know, you never know if a story's gonna come up again in some way you don't expect. Okay. And maybe that joke is worth revisiting. It's rare. You, you don't wanna read pitch a joke ever, you know, I'm sure. No,Michael Jamin:You don't wanna re No, you don't wanna pitch it again to, to, right. But yeah, I think you can retool it and change it enough to make it fresh.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. But also at a certain point you're like, well, this already failed some kind of test to this joke. You know? Right. Cause you never completely confident in a joke. You're like, well, if the show didn't want this, maybe it's not the best joke. So I've, in the past, a joke didn't get on, I tweeted it and it just fell flat and no one cared. And I'm like, oh, well,Michael Jamin:MustJesse McLaren:ThatMichael Jamin:Must not be funny. But, so if, when you come into work, let's say, all right, let's say you you put together 10 jokes. How long would that take you to, before you feel, okay, is it an hour work? How long does it take you to do that?Jesse McLaren:It's like they send out, you know, they'll send out topics in the morning. A writer's assistant who gets a very early will send out topics and then you send your jokes. And that's usually a period of about an hour and 50 minutes.Michael Jamin:But we'reJesse McLaren:The start out later. You can start out earlier youMichael Jamin:Know, are, when you, they say topics, are they giving you the setups of setups or they just say, we, you know, we wanna do jokes about inflation or whatever.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Like here are like five, eight to whatever story, like five, eight stories that are good, whatever. Okay. If you have another story story, you think, okay, we should cover that. Go ahead. But it's like a good, just kind of keeps everyone grounded. At least we're all talking about similar things. TheMichael Jamin:Same thing. You see. That's interesting because like, I, I've tweeted a couple of jokes just as you know, when I had downtime, well, more than a couple, but whatever there I, I, I found if I went onto a website, I'm just curious what your take is like going on c n n or whatever, or, or ha Washington. Any website, New York Times, Washington Post go on their site and reading their headline or reading the article to me was not helpful. Cuz they already had an angle. Whereas I just wanted to get this, gimme the straight line. And so I would go into other, they would just like the news to, you know, you know, aggregators I the straight just gimme the straight line so I don't get any spin on it. And then I'll come up with a spin. Is that how you do it or no,Jesse McLaren:No, I think we just see the, the headline and to write jokes for something, you have to kind of think of every angle you can to see if there's something funny. So yeah, I think that usually works itself out because whatever the story is, you know, you're, it's more the headline and the facts of it that you're just trying to find any do youMichael Jamin:Feel you've gotten better at this over the years? Is it coming? Does it gotten easier for you?Jesse McLaren:I think it has gotten easier, but it's not like, oh, I get this many jokes on now as I think now, just the process is more I can recognize a good joke. Yes, I can, I can edit myself better now. Right. I can say, you know what, instead of saying sending these 15 jokes, I'm gonna send these eight and this is probably the best. You know, I think that's what I've gotten better at.Michael Jamin:And this is something that you do, even when you're in a b obviously when you're in a bad mood, when you're not in the mood to be funny, you gotta be funny.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. And it's, it's, but yeah, I, I just, I love it. I love sitting down and writing. I morning is my favorite part of the day and right know, I kind of like the way that it's, our day is structured where the most high pressure part is over with as quick as possible. Cuz once that's done, you kind of did as writers, at least for everyone else, the day is structured a little different, but for us it's like you have to really be on point in the morning.Michael Jamin:And how many monologue writers are there on Kimmel?Jesse McLaren:I think altogether we have, I should know, it's probably around 15 to 20 writers in general. Wow. But we're not split like other shows. NotMichael Jamin:Some other shows. Yeah. How do the, how do other shows do it? I cut you off. Some have monologue writers then what else?Jesse McLaren:I think like Fallon, I know had a friend there who was like, he was like, I'm a monologue writer. Like I write monologue. I think every show, you know, all these shows, I think every show kind of like figured it out for themselves. Yeah. So every show is a little bit of a different, like, universe kind of built around the same thing. But some of them are just, you know but some of them are separated where it's like, these are the monologue writers. These people write segment pitches or bits. But you kind of all do everything. AndMichael Jamin:So, okay, Seth, tell me what it's like. Okay, so you come to work now, you're given, you know, I don't know, whatever, 10 jokes. Now you're in the office and, and then what's next?Jesse McLaren:It depends, you know, with the jokes, you, if you, you also pitch any bits you could think of, like something that would just have more substance and be, you know producible. It's very important. You know?Michael Jamin:And that seems to be the hard part for me. How, how do you come up with that?Jesse McLaren:You know, I think that's what I was good at on Twitter is I think that's kind of what they liked about my Twitter. I would, you know, like one example I could think of that I think that they saw was Sarah Huckabee Sanders was giving it was like, you know, when Sarah Huckabee Sanders first started, there was a lot of attention on her. And everyone's like, who is this person? And mm-hmm. , she, I think she was talking about sinkhole under the White House. Do you remember? That was a story. It was like, I, I don't remember that White House. Yeah. It was like one of these things, like at the time it was just like, what the fuck? It's like there are sinkhole opening up under the White House and there's, you see like pictures of caution tape and there's jokes about like, you know, they're sinking into hell or whatever it is. But she said in you know, she was, I remember what it was exactly, but she was maybe saying there aren't sinkhole under the White House, but whatever she was saying, she was denying that this was a thing. So I, you know, am able to, I even used After Effects to have her slowly sinking as she said that. And then, you know, she like plummets through.Michael Jamin:But that, that's a funny bit. But that would've been, that would've gone in the monologue, right?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I think so. So that, and, and, and that's something that but that's something I did before Kimmel. But that I think maybe got their attention maybe when they said that's the kind of thing we want, you know? Right. But that's what our show would consider. Like, a bit something that has some production to it that you could get that done by the end of the day. Mm-Hmm. . And the fact that I kind of knew I could do this myself, it wouldn't look nearly as good as our team cuz they're professionals. Professionals. Right. But I know that if I pitched that at the show, I know like, okay, we can get this done by four o'clock, whatever taping is today. ButMichael Jamin:You wouldn't on the show, you wouldn't have done the app. You wouldn't have done the, the graphic. Someone else would've doneJesse McLaren:It. No. Yeah. Yeah. So just helps tap the knowledge. Yeah. It just helps to know like, cuz he never,Michael Jamin:It's producible. Yes. Right.Jesse McLaren:Drives people crazy. Yeah.Michael Jamin:But do and do bigger bits, like any kind of, you know, do you also do like something that are more stagey with him or out in the field or whatever? Do you pitch that as well?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I mean, those are you know, always a very specific thing. You know, it'll be like, those will be like an assignment. It'll be, Hey, by five o'clock, send some ideas for, you know, this actor wants to do something with us and they're promoting this movie where they're a fighter pilot or something. And you'll go, okay. Like, and we'll have them for two. Maybe you'll get, maybe you'll get something like that. We'll have them for a couple hours. Right. And so, and they can't change it to cost or whatever because they're becoming right from thing. You know, there's always like you, it's all restriction. Yeah. It's all you take, you take, especially in late night, it's like, what can we make the most out of, out of this? And yeah. And then there are some times that we do, we are able to do something that is time and production and people, you know, is a bigger thing.But, you know, for our main day to day Uhhuh , it's always thinking about making this producible. Making sure this is something that we can get done in time. Right. That's exactly right. You never wanna get them wet. Nothing where they have wardrobe change, , you know, like their hair wet. But now what is the, what is like the, the contract cycle look like for a late night writer is like how long? Yeah. How long is your contracts usually? Three years, I think. Which I think is typical of Yeah. Like you have an option. I would assume a new writer would've an option for like 10 weeks or something. No, and then, well, I think, I think it's the op It's that thing where you're, well, I'm on cycles. I think about like 13 weeks, something like that, right. From their side. Like, they can get rid of me every 13.That's the way I always, always understood it when I worked in daytime. That's how it was. Like, you know, not even as a, just as like a field producer or whatever. They had me on, I think the same exact situation where every 13 weeks when I was at like you know, Rachel Ray or whatever the daytime TV show was, it was like every 13 weeks they might get rid of you or you could yeah. You're outta your contract after one year, two year, three years, depending on what they give you. That kind basically pay, pay raise. Right. That's what that, that's what that means. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, you renegotiate, you know? Right. You, yeah.Michael Jamin:Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michaeljamin.com/watchlist.Jesse McLaren:You've been, well, you've been on staff now for what, five years on Kimmel? Lemme see. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not sweating it out every 13 weeks. The way someone who just started would be sweating it out. You know, I don't, yeah. I, I, yeah. I always am just like, so feel so lucky that I get to work in late night at all. And, but I can never, and and I'll always, if I have a bad week, I'm like, I'm gonna get fired. That's just always the way my brain just works. That's part of the way I motivate myself for good or bad. But it won't compare to that first 13 weeks where legitimately you're like, I might not be good at this job. I don't know. Cause I have no point of reference in how much collaboration is there with other writers? Do you have a writing room?We don't have as much of a writing room on our show in terms of like every day. Like, it's like we have a morning meeting of writers every day kind of thing. Uhhuh we just have our room just for like, oh, today we're just, it's more casual. Mm-Hmm. , it's more people have, if you're having a problem with something, you're just like, I can't figure out the ending to this thing. Whatever. Right. That's when you'll, we'll be like, oh, let's, you know, just bring it up today. And then there's a lot of just kind of casual. You just pull someone else in to something. You know, sometimes it's like, I have a really funny idea, I think for this guest coming up. I don't watch the show though. Like, do you watch this show? Does this make sense? Do you wanna team up with me on it and we'll both play together? Or that kinda thing. Yeah. Now,Michael Jamin:So who is it, I'm sure that, I'm guessing there's a head writer on Kimmel who reads all the submissions and decides what to give to Jimmy for his ultimate approval. Is that how it works?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. We have head writers who split, you know, responsibility. Yeah. Okay. And yeah, you know, because our show is so quick, you know, everything would be filtered through head writers or if it's like the show's starting in five minutes, it's like, just show him whatever, you know, if you need something approved for that night and he's in the makeup chair, maybe you would.Michael Jamin:Right. are you on the floor during taping or no?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. not often, no. I mean, our studio you know, I have just for like, I, I haven't too often now our our, our studio is a little cramped, so we don't really go in there tooMichael Jamin:Often, so, but you watch it. I, I guess in your office you have a live feed, you know, line. Yeah.Jesse McLaren:We, we, we'll watch it from, I mean it's, I'm saying this now because we just went through a pandemic, so we're still like, everything is still like very restricted and everything. Yeah. we're still like, you know, obviously you know, but we, we would normally watch it from like a green room in, in the building that would be like, you know, where everyone would just kind of meet up and watch the show.Michael Jamin:Right. See what works and what doesn't work.Jesse McLaren:Is there a posts the pandemic? It'sMichael Jamin:You know, do you talk about it afterwards? Or like, are you done once the show's done? Do you all go home? What what's next?Jesse McLaren:I think so. I mean, for the, for me, for the writers, like the staff writers, that's pretty much then you're just getting ready for the next day. Uhhuh you know I'm sure for the producers and other people on the show, it's a different story that, you know, but for us who have the easiest job, because we're our, you know, like I said before, the pressure for us is done in the morning. That's when we really have to get, you know, our ideas out and everything. Are there not as much sweating at that point?Michael Jamin:Are there many In my mind it's mostly a young, young person's game that there aren't, and I could be totally wrong about this, but there aren't, are there, are there many like people maybe my age who are still writing for, for late night? Or do they move on theJesse McLaren:Things? No, I think for sure.Michael Jamin:Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously Robert smis like the famous guy, but I, I didn't know like what kind of, you know, did these guys, did they bounce around from show to show? Is that how it works?Jesse McLaren:No, I don't know. Cause I think a lot of these shows are pretty like, you know the writer, there's not a lot of writing turnover. Some of them I think there are, but you know, where I've worked at Colbert and came, there's not as much turnover. And I think, yeah. The age ranges, you know, are pretty significant. You know, I think that at Colbert there's writers who have been there for since I interned there in 2008 who are still writing for him and Right. Michael Jamin:Interesting. Jesse McLaren:Yeah,Michael Jamin:So I mean, cuz you, I don't wanna,Jesse McLaren:I don't wanna name anyone as the old guy or something.Michael Jamin:Yeah, I know.Jesse McLaren:That's cool. Definitely different. Yeah.Michael Jamin:But they've been around the block. You must get their stories. Hey, what was it like writing for Jack Benny? I mean, you must, you must want to get their, their stories out of them, right? You know?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, absolutely. Like, yeah, there's writers who I, you know, didn't realize, you know, there'd be a sketch that I watched when I was 15, I thought was the funniest thing in the world. And you can find out that they, you know, my buddy wrote it and you're like, oh, that's so fucking cool. OrMichael Jamin:That's great. Yeah. Yeah. So your goal is basically that you want this to be your career forever until you're done?Jesse McLaren:Is that, yeah. I don't think it's sustainable, but it is. Like, I would just, you know, I'm just really love late night. It's like whyMichael Jamin:Do you think it's not sustainable though?Jesse McLaren:I, well, I just think it's tough. You know? I think it's so much of getting a job in late night is luck. No. So, and I'm a pessimist in general, so the fact that I've got this job, I was like, you know,Michael Jamin:But at this point you're proven. I mean, you've proven yourself. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I mean, I don't know. Right. You've, I imagine you've made contacts, you've proven yourself. If you were to start on another show tomorrow for a different post, you know I don't know. Like I I'm sure you'd be like, okay, I know how to do this job. Right?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I'm sure. Like, it's interesting, you know, we'll have a guest host on over the summer and it'll be like a really wide range of Right. Personalities. Like RuPaul David Spade, an actor who isn't an entertainer in that way, who, you know, just were kind of like a movie star. And it's like, you'll see some people, like, your jokes just do not,Michael Jamin:They don't how to deliver like Yeah,Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Not that now how to deliver it. They just don't pick your jokes. They just, your humor doesn't match up with them. And some of them are like people. You are your comedic heroes and you're just like, ah.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Jesse McLaren:So it's, it's, and I think it's, it is a little bit of a diced role too. Like if you you know, matching your writer with your hosts sensibilities and stuff, it's kind of like there's a tricky thing there. So I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of like just luck that goes into ending up at one of these jobs and having it really, really click.Michael Jamin:Well, what would you, what do you imagine is going on with the James Cordon writers? Like when, you know, cuz obviously they're all, they're outta work. What, what do you think is going through their minds? You know,Jesse McLaren:I don't know. I mean, I think everyone has a different, like writers are all so weird people. They all come from like, not everyone is like me, say like, I wanna do this forever. Like, some people are like, well, I'm gonna go back into this business. Some people are standups and they'll go do standups. Some peopleMichael Jamin:Do you think some people wanna go back into like, like a corporate or something? Like some regular business?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I think I, I feel like I've seen writers, like, especially from when I was at Colbert so long ago, just like, you know, end up leaving and doing things like in other genres, right. Children's stuff. Like, or just, you know, just kind of like, not necessarily stay in comedy day, late nights, stay in writing even. Right. So, I don't know, I, I couldn't speak for the court and writers and I think there was a lot of people who yeah, like had to stand up and do other forms of of comedy that, you know,Michael Jamin:Do you have, like, do you have a process or do you have a way of looking at the world or opening your mind to think of funny things? You know, is there, what's, how do you pro do you approach any, I mean, I have my own thoughts, but I wanna know what your thoughts are.Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I, I think I do things an analytically uhhuh or I, I, I, I write in the least funny way, you know? What does that mean? You know, when I, like when I first started at this job, I to have to, I've never had to like write 20 jokes in the morning, that kind of thing. And that, that was the main thing. I was like, I I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not gonna be able to do it.Michael Jamin:Mm.Jesse McLaren:And I would like literally write a post-it of like, ways to view possible, ways to get a joke out of a news story. Okay, I lost that post now. Like now I don't need that. But at that time I was like, cuz if I'm gonna need to write like three to four jokes out of just, and some news stories are just inherently not funny at all. Not only, you know, serious, but some of 'em are like, sometimes our topics for jokes will be the Dodgers are up in game two of the World Series and that's, you have to write jokes about that. And then the next night it's the Do Dodgers are up three in game three of the World Series and you have to write jokes about that. And it's like, howMichael Jamin:Do you go about doing that? What's, okay? So can you walk me through that? That sounds horrible. . Like, I don't know what's funny aboutJesse McLaren:That. Yeah, yeah. It's the thing. So it's just like, you have to think what cities are, what city are they playing? Also sports is my weakest area, right? It's like, what city are they playing? Okay la And you know, and you're just like, St. Louis, what can we make, you know, just whatever it is, whatever. If it's the NBA or wherever, like what are any associations between these two cities that someone, that there's some connection that you can make like, you know one celebrity who maybe lived in famously lived in just something, you know, and like, but something I maybe missed yesterday. You know, like it's tough. Yeah. Those are,Michael Jamin:I would think that's really tough. Like yeah, I, I might strike out on doing that. I really do. I really might. Like shit, I, I don't know. You're on your own, like, because I don't, you don't have a strong enough attitude or is it enough? Yeah, there's no, there's no attitude behind it. It's almost fact, you know? Yeah.Jesse McLaren:And if I have like two hours all my jo, most of my jokes will be in the last 10 minutes every time no matter what.Michael Jamin:Really?Jesse McLaren:That's, yeah.Michael Jamin:Do do. Where do you do? SoJesse McLaren:I think a lot ofMichael Jamin:Couch on the desk. Do you have a place you go?Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I'll do it on the couch or yeah. When I first started I was doing coffee shops just to force myself to like be somewhere Uhhuh . I have like, you know, I have a d d too. It's like any, you know, I have to really focus and I have to really force myself to focus sometimes. Cause it's so easy to just say, I'm just gonna like look at my phone. Or do you know?Michael Jamin:Are you able to turn it off though? I imagine like on, on a Saturday or Sunday big news story, you go, oh shit, this, we know we're gonna be talking about this on Monday.Jesse McLaren:Yeah,Michael Jamin:Definitely. And do you start making notes or you're like, ah, I'm off the clockJesse McLaren:, I'll make notes for sure. But that's actually really helpful because you know, if something just pops into your head on a Saturday of a story that, you know, you'll be talking about Monday, right? Like, I I did it. I got, I got something I know is like gonna be really funny to pitch on Monday. Right? So it's actually a little bit of a relief. It's not like, oh, I can't stop thinking about work. It's like, oh, now I don't have to stress Sunday night or whatever. It's like I know that well I'm gonna go into Monday with something I think is, is strong.Michael Jamin:So for you it's almost like solving a puzzle Sounds like joke writing.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. A little bit. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Do you have, do you do any other kinds of writing though?Jesse McLaren:Not much. You know, I do a little bit of like, just do, I've written like specs and stuff like that for fun to grow that muscle. Right. But really, it's mostly like joke writing and that is the, the main writing I do. And especially cuz you know, it is these, the job is a lot. It's demanding, you know, when the show is on, it's like, you know,Michael Jamin:And I noticed cuz you still post a on, on Twitter and TikTok a little. But has that fallen by the wayside for you? I mean, you're busy.Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I think a little bit for sure. Like one when the show is on on and you don't wanna tweet something that would've been Right. Funny on the show, you know? Right. that doesn't do anything for you. And, and to an extent, like, you know, Twitter was always my end goal was always working in, in comedy and working and getting paid to write jokes and Right. I've done that and, you know, so it's like, I doesn't really, you know, the more Twitter now is just more for fun or whatever, Uhhuh . But yeah. That's why, you know, when you ask how often you tweet, like back when I was really hungry for trying to get a late night job, I would be really, anytime I saw a news story, I would just try to get the funniest joke as early as I could.Michael Jamin:Right. You want Right. You wanna be first. Exactly. How do you, how do the, do you think the other writers mostly break in packets or unconventional ways?Jesse McLaren:I think all, all sorts of ways. I mean, everybody you know, it's like a, it's, I don't know who said this, but I, I I've heard, you know, someone describe a writer's room, especially in late night as like a superhero team where everyone has their own like superpower. You have some people who are just really good political writers and can be sat tired, really, if some people who are just really strong standups and can write like, you know, barbs and that kind of thing that are like, you know Right. Getting strong, like gross kind of jokes. And that's just, do youMichael Jamin:Feel your, what do you feel your specialty is?Jesse McLaren:I don't, I think, I think bits is what I always feel the most comfortable in. And, you know, that kind of thing of uhhuh doing something with video. And anything with's. Like, you know, if I see video, especially just having worked in TV for as long and that and that kind of thing, I just can know like, that footage of Biden doing this, we can add this toMichael Jamin:It. Right. So you think very greatJesse McLaren:Screen.Michael Jamin:You think very visually then what's the, what am I looking at? Not what am not, what am I listening to? What am I watching?Jesse McLaren:Right. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. And over the years I've, you know, gotten more into the joke writing itself and you know, I really love writing jokes, but I think the strongest area for me is definitely this kind of visual things. ForMichael Jamin:Sure. Now what's your takeaway when you write something and it bombs, they pick it and it bombs .Jesse McLaren:Yeah. That's always, and that happens. It's, yeah, I don't know. I think that with our show, the good thing about it being fast paced is by the next day you don't remember.Michael Jamin:Right, right.Jesse McLaren:Just the way, like there's, I've never had something over the next day. I'm like, oh my God. You know? And I'm just like, okay, well that didn't go great. And then you, you just avoid doing whatever that did wrong. If you could figureMichael Jamin:Out, are you hugely embarrassed? To me, it's when I pitch something and it bombs to me, it's funny. I'm like, I just like, wow, guess I'm diluted. But I guess, but do you feel that way too? Or you just, oh my God, I'm I'm gonna be fired ?Jesse McLaren:No, I never think I'm gonna be fired. Cause in the end it's like, you know, like none of us knew if anything like the joke was picked, like we thought maybe it would work. So it's more, it feels like it's not just on you. Right. And nothing's ever like bombs to like, it's like people are like booing, you know?Michael Jamin:.Jesse McLaren:That's funny. You like when people boo. Cause that's at least, that's fun. But it's never just like dead silence. Especially in that kind of environment. But you do have things sometimes that just don't work great. For sure. Like, you just, and it's always just like, we just didn't have, you know, it's like, let's make a movie trailer for the new Guardians, the Galaxy, but we'll make it like, and it's just like, all right, that's not gonna look that great if we're gonna have it done in three hours. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Right, right.Jesse McLaren:I think we could do it and just doesn't quite work. It is like, should have worked, but, you know, maybe it just, if it needed another hour love or, but who'sMichael Jamin:Doing, I mean, are you, do you have a producer that you generally work with? Because that would be the producer's job is to put something like that together, right?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I mean, as a writer you oversee that kind of stuff with directors and producers. Oh, okay. And it's always like, you know, you know, if something wasn't ready for error, you wouldn't air it. Like, if there's no Right, you know, you do make those determinations, sometimes you will say, Hey, you know what, we have an hour left on this. It's not gonna make it like, it's not worth, let's make, let's say this for tomorrow. Or just didn't work.Michael Jamin:Do you have advice for, for people trying to, who would either wanna break in or try to become good joke writers or what, you know, what are your, what advice, wisdom can you share?Jesse McLaren:I, you know, for me it's like, you know, this, the advice I got you know, when I was at Colbert, someone, they read my packet and that was a really nice thing that they did for their staff members. Mm-Hmm. If you're like a PA and you submit a packet, they at least read it and give you some feedback. One thing they said is they, they told me is find a way to get feedback. Do stand up, find a way where you're actually reading these jokes yourself, Uhhuh yourself. And, you know, for me, I think that, you know and I'm sure like any standup comedian would roll their eyes at this, but for me, that was Twitter because that is the place where I figured out I got reception. If a joke was really bad, if it was really funny, I would at least get some kind of like, okay, this is, this kind of joke is funnier.You know? And I think just forcing yourself to get some feedback finding yourself, whether that's performing live or some way on the internet like I did. Finding a way that you have to actually be accountable for your jokes. And it's not just throwing them out into a void. Mm-Hmm. . Because, you know, I think that's why when I wrote packets when I was a lot younger, I thought there was the funniest thing in the world. How could they not hire me? And I read it now and I'm like, yeah, of course they didn't hire me. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Right.Jesse McLaren:This is really good,Michael Jamin:You know? Cause since you, you mentioned it, I I dunno if you heard of my, my first job, I worked with a guy named Marsh McCall, who was the head writer on Conan. I think that's season one. Have you heard of him?Jesse McLaren:Marsh? Michael Jamin:Well, he died a few years ago, but Oh,Jesse McLaren:Okay. Yeah.Michael Jamin:But he was the head writer. He was the head writer in Conan. He gave me some great advice for joke writing when I was on Just shoot me the first season. And he said, if everyone's going this way to get to the joke, go that way. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't try to, whatever path it looks like is the natural way to get the laugh, find somewhere else, because you're never gonna, everyone else is going that way. They'll be, they're gonna beat you. You gotta find your own path. Do you think that, do you think the same way?Jesse McLaren:No, I don't think that, I mean, I, I think that's good advice, but I think for someone as for someone like me, I wouldn't see that until after the fact. I would write jokes first and then when I edit it, you know, like, like I said, I think I've gotten better at editing. That's when I would maybe see that of like, I just know that this is a good joke.Michael Jamin:But, you know, well, let me see this though, because sometimes I, sometimes on social media, someone will say something and I'm like, oh, I got the perfect response. And then I'll scroll down the comments and I'll see, has anyone said this yet? Yeah. And if someone's already said it, I feel embarrassed for myself. At first I feel relieved that I didn't write it down and embarrassed that I, that I didn't do better than that. You know?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's why Well, that's why I'd always be after. Yeah. And after a while you start to like, just know that that's gonna be that thing. Like something happens, you know, you already know before you look in the replies, everyone's already made this joke for sure.Michael Jamin:Yes. Right. And so you gotta Yeah. If, if it's that easy, don't do it. Find , but Yeah.Jesse McLaren:And, but sometimes it's like, it's just clearly it's that, it's that because it's the funniest joke and it's like, you know it's unavoidable almost sometimes. Right. You know, when, you know, I think about things like, things like, you know, the Rudy Giuliani landscape, four Seasons, landscaping things. Like, there was just some things that were like, you know everyone was making the same jokes, but you just kind of had to because it just kind of called for it.Michael Jamin:Right.Jesse McLaren:But yeah, for the most part, I think that I just try to, you know, I'll write eight jokes for something, six of which aren't even like, like, would be embarrassing if everyone even read it. It's just like trying to just get some kind of thought out. Right. And you have two and maybe one out of the two you're like, I think that's the strong point of view. That's something that no one else would've thought of orMichael Jamin:Right. So sometimes just you, you actually have to just write it down. Yeah. And move on to the next one and then edit yourself later just so that you can get to the joke. Right. Just so you can find it.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I'll do a lot of just vomit of like, like just write eight, just thoughts about this story. Right. Even if they're not, especially if they're not playing, just write anything you want. And then, you know, sometimes just that statement is the, is the joke or, you know, but yeah.Michael Jamin:It's so interesting. Yeah. Jesse tell people, I wanna thank you so much for, for giving me all your time. I think I, this to me is so interesting. I, I'm fascinated by what you guys do. It's a world I know nothing about. So, but, but tell people how they can follow you or find you on, you know, social media if they wanna be. I think you're gonna get a bunch of new fans now.Jesse McLaren:Oh, well, yeah. I'm Nick, Jesse on Twitter. As long as we're still all on Twitter and yeah. And that's, you know, that's pretty much where I post most things. Do,Michael Jamin:Do you worry about that going? Yeah, as long as we're still on Twitter. I mean, do you worry about starting from scratch if we all decide to go to some other platform?Jesse McLaren:I did it first, but now at this point I'm just like, let's just do it. YouMichael Jamin:Think, why do you feel that way?Jesse McLaren:I don't know. Cause I think when we go to a new thing like Blue Sky, you start toing. Oh, the people I like find me and I find them, you know?Michael Jamin:But Are you on Blue Sky? Not yet. You I am,Jesse McLaren:I am on Blue Sky. You gotMichael Jamin:Preapproved because it's hard to get approved.Jesse McLaren:Yeah, I shamelessly tweeted I does anyone have a Blue Sky code? See exactly what it, I don't know what my name is on it, but I think it's just Mick, Jesse on that too, by . Does anyone have a Blue Sky Code? And one person messaged me and was like, I do. And then I, I got on that way.Michael Jamin:And they gave you their code?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I, I just don't know how the invite codes work on Blue Sky. And like, I had, like, it says under your name, like in by code, then it says zero. And then like, after like a couple weeks now it says I have one. And I'm like, oh, I have one now. Wow. Like, I'm giving that to my wife or like, you know, whoever wanted one,Michael Jamin:Whoever wants one. But you're not, you're not really on it yet, or are you?Jesse McLaren:I, yeah, some, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. But it's, it's pretty good. It's like the most closest. It's the closest to Twitter. I think I've, we've found.Michael Jamin:But you're not worried, I mean, you don't have nearly as many followers on Blue Sky as you do on Twitter,Jesse McLaren:Right? Yeah. But at the same time, it's like the Twitter followers. Like I have over a million followers and I feel like if you tweet something that's not funny, it still gets like 11 likes and that's it. You know, like it's kind ofMichael Jamin:Of what On, on, on Twitter you mean?Jesse McLaren:Yeah. I think that like really theMichael Jamin:People have disappeared.Jesse McLaren:Yeah. Or just that, that's just always the way it is. Like, it's like, I think it, the algorithm, the way it works just to like, it shows the tweet to like X amount of people, 10 people. If none of them engage with Right. People look at it or care, then it just doesn't show it to more people. Right. So I think, you know, I don't know. I think that, so it's just as long as you have a network of funny people and if that's what you wanna do comedy you have funny people that follow you and you follow them back. And then I think if you move to a new platform, you could still find a good audience to like, share funny things.Michael Jamin:Interesting. Right. Okay. Yeah. So again, you're making a case for getting out there, you know, making friends with people and, and getting close to the job you want. Yeah. Yeah.Jesse McLaren:Right. Yeah. And yeah, and, and working in TV really helped too. For sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Exactly. You started at the bottom. Good for you. I'm impressed, Jesse, you, you did it . Yeah,Jesse McLaren:You did it well. Yeah, it was nice meeting you on the picket line and it was a pleasure. I recognize you from TikTok cause I think you come up in my algorithm all the time. Cause I'm always looking at any kind of screenwriting or comedy things. So you'll pop up and I say, oh, I know that.Michael Jamin:That's great man. I want to thank you again so much for taking your time. It was a great talk. I really appreciate this. All rightJesse McLaren:Everyone. Yeah. Thank you for having me on.Michael Jamin:Thank you. Big round of applause for Jesse. Go follow him on TikTok or Twitter to anywhere. We'll see wherever, wherever he goes next. . Wherever it is. All right, buddy. Thank you so much. Great talk everyone. Until next week, keep following me. I post check out my newsletter, Michael jamon.com/watch list from, have my best my content sent to you. All right. Until next week keep writing. Thanks.Phil Hudson:This has been an episode of Screenwriters Need to Hear This with Michael Jamin and Phil Hudson. If you're interested in learning more about writing, make sure you register for Michael's monthly webinar michaeljamin.com/webinar.If you found this podcast helpful, consider sharing it with a friend and leaving us a five star review on iTunes.For free screenwriting tips, follow Michael Jamin on social media @MichaelJaminWriter.You can follow Phil Hudson on social media @PhilAHudson. This podcast was produced by Phil Hudson. It was edited by Dallas Crane. Music by Ken Joseph. Until next time, keep writing.

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Taylor's Website: https://taylorwilliamson.comTaylor's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/taylorcomedy/Taylor on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2743976/Michael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Watchlist - https://michaeljamin.com/watchlistAuto-Generated TranscriptsTaylor Williamson (00:00:00):They could have gone way harder on me. These real, these reality show contracts are insane. Like lawyers tell you, don't sign them like they have the rights to like, own your soul forever and things you make for the future and stuff. You can find the contracts online. It's really, really bad.Michael Jamin (00:00:13):You're listening to Screenwriters. Need to Hear This with Michael Jamin.Hey everyone. It's Michael Jamin and you're listening to Screenwriters. Need to Hear This. I got a special guest today. I always say that when I have a special guest, but this time we have a world famous comedian. And now what does comedians have to do with screenwriters? Well, comedy writing, it's a form, it's a form of writing. Taylor. So we're here with Taylor, Taylor Williamson, who was, let me get you, lemme make sure I get this right. You runner up on America's Got Talent. What, what, how long, what, what year was that? BecauseTaylor Williamson (00:00:48):We, we just say recently, fairly recently. Recently in the spectrum of time, you know,Michael Jamin (00:00:52):Yesterday. And the how I met you was because, so we've been friends Taylor, we've been friends for a long time, but which means I'm probably not gonna be as nice to you as on this podcast as if we weren't friends. So you're just be far warned.Taylor Williamson (00:01:08):No,Michael Jamin (00:01:09):No,Taylor Williamson (00:01:10):, you're not gonna be as ni you're gonna be less nice to me cause we're friends.Michael Jamin (00:01:14):Yeah, it's the chat. It's all cordial. You're on our podcast. So that's how, I mean, it'sTaylor Williamson (00:01:18):Not cordial,Michael Jamin (00:01:20):But I wanna tell everyone how we met. So we, we met, I guess a few years back. It was, it was a w it was a little bit.Taylor Williamson (00:01:27):Sure, sure.Michael Jamin (00:01:28):And you had, you had just, I guess you had just won or, you know, runner up to America's Got Talent and comedian and you were, you were poppin. And so I don't remember exactly how, but you, our manager's teamed us up and you had an idea for a TV show based on your life. You were looking for writers. My partner and I met, we met our managers, teamed us up. We we met in kind of conversation. We liked what you had to say. And we thought, yeah, let's, let's try to develop a show and see if we can get it off the ground. And that's kind of how it works, is like, some people say like, well, I'm a comedian. Make a show about me. No, no, no. You don't understand. You were having this moment. You were, you know, you were, you were meaningful to the network because of your appearance on the, your, your success on that show. And that's how we went about it.Taylor Williamson (00:02:13):Right? No one else even wanted to meet with us. And then you guys seem so excited. I was like, are they playing a trick on us or are they terrible? , why? No, I'm, I'm have, I'm slightly, I mean, I'm joking about the mean part. Unlike you being serious about the mean part. Yeah, , there was one other fancy showrunner guy who was attached, I think, while you were also attached. And I was confused. What was hap like, why we have,Michael Jamin (00:02:37):We, we couldn't have both been attached. That's not possible.Taylor Williamson (00:02:40):I don't know. There was a guy, I'm just, I'll, I mean, obviously I'll tell you, we, you already know this stuff from years ago just to remind you. But like, there was another like, executive producer guy who was attached and then you guys, when we met with you guys as well, and everyone was gonna be a part of it in different ways. And I guess you would've been theMichael Jamin (00:02:59):Sure.Taylor Williamson (00:03:00):I guess. But then I thought he was, I didn't, I don't know what's going on. I, you know, I'm the, I'm the dumb comedian who's just all these, these, these Jewish people are telling me what to do. And I'm Jewish, by the way. I don't wanna sound like the new Kanye West. I was making a, I was playing along with Kanye. Wait, I playing against You're Jewish. Can you say me Hebrew Happy Hanukkah ,Michael Jamin (00:03:20):Hebrew . Dude, I wanna know, I wanna know. So Taylor's a, you know, com touring comedian. You work all the time. You tore the country. But I wanna know, I guess I wanna know how you broke into the business. Like how did you go from open mics to getting paid to do this?Taylor Williamson (00:03:38):We'll, we'll cut out the last 12 minutes. That I said so far, right?Michael Jamin (00:03:42):If you No, I, that's we're gonna lead with that. Taylor Williamson (00:03:45):. I feel like you have like real writers, those people that say, let me just say that. Well, are we just gonna talk more about that? I think that's interesting. WeMichael Jamin (00:03:52):Could talk about anything you wanna talk about.Taylor Williamson (00:03:54):I don't mean I, like, I made jokey answers to whatever, but yeah, we, I, it was, I think it's important to share this stuff. And I, I came up, I had to show idea that I liked and then my, my friend is I'm taking over the show.Michael Jamin (00:04:08):No, no. Okay. I'll get back to what we have. We got some time to fill here, so we'll get back to my questions.Taylor Williamson (00:04:13):Well, so no, I'm taking over, I'm answering your question, buddy. Yeah,Michael Jamin (00:04:16):I know, but I was steering the conversation away from your answer.Taylor Williamson (00:04:19):So then Jillian Bell, who's a great comedian, actress, writer person and mm-hmm. , she was interested in the show and and then she wanted to produce the show. That's right. Signed. It's a fun facts show business. I used to be with the management company that, that she was with, and I was no longer with them. And I brought this idea to them and my reps were not enthusiastic about it. Yeah. But then, so I, and I stopped working with them, but then a year later, Jillian Bell was interested in the idea, same show, then me go into their office with Jillian and then they're like, Jillian, this is a great idea. , I'm like, the show. ThisMichael Jamin (00:04:55):Is funny. She, I totally forgot that she was involved in it, but that's an, but that's right. Cuz she brought another piece to the puzzle. It was like, yeah. And you did, which was like, it's all about how many pieces of this puzzle can you, like, how much more can you bring to the table? And her involvement, the fact that you had this other, you know, she was a, she's an actress, actor, producer she's trying to get into the producing field and that was another piece of the puzzle, which made it more meaningful. So that's how Yeah. You weren't just like some random dude, you know, you kind of put these pieces together.Taylor Williamson (00:05:24):Yeah. And then obvi, I mean, she helped tremendously and I wouldn't have gotten to you and Siever if if it was not for her. And then we met with you guys and it was such a joy and we could talk about it as much as you want. But but anyways, but how did I start comedy? I, I was 17. I was like, I got into STEM comedy in high school. I never liked comedy as a kid. I remember being at the airport and the, as a child and some guy was like, I'm a comedian. Ugh. And he is like so obnoxious. And I've always hated that kind of comedy. Like, people are like, look at me, I'm a comedian. I got some jokes. You know? So I think that that scarred me for life. So I was like, I don't like, and my brother liked comedy stand up comedy, so I said, I don't like stand up comedy cause like dumb sibling ri sibling rivalry stuff. And it makes no, I'm not proud of anything. So I'm saying I still stand by hating those obnoxious comedians who like, tell it when the com Hey, I'm a comedian, nice to meet you. Like, you know. Yeah. I don't need that. And then then,Michael Jamin (00:06:19):But that's funny cause I always say like, people who have to advertise that they're funny, not be funny. You know what I'm saying? They have to put it on their business card, you know? Funny guy.Taylor Williamson (00:06:28):Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:06:29):But, okay,Taylor Williamson (00:06:30):Go ahead. And for the record, I've been saying I'm not funny. This entire, I've this entire convers we believe, I believe you . Fair. Good. I'm glad that's clear. Yeah. And then in high school I got into standup a lot as a being a fan of it. And then and then I'm from San Diego and rest in Peace. Her name is Sandy Seashore, Mitzi's daughter from the comedy store. Polly's sister had a comedy workshop in San Diego. And I'm, I'm 17. And I'm like, oh, that seems like a way to start, you know? Mm-Hmm. , I don't necessarily encourage comedy classes.Michael Jamin (00:07:08):Why not?Taylor Williamson (00:07:10):At first standup comedy, improv sketch. Yeah, standup fine. It helps you get your feet wet and you learn structure and stuff. But generally you're learn. I learned what not to do really. I don't, you kinda, there'sMichael Jamin (00:07:24):No structure though. What do they teach you there? You get comfortable learn on the funny, on the funny word.Taylor Williamson (00:07:29):Yeah. It's just like helping dissect. I don't know. Everyone has, there's no curriculum for comedy classes, but I learned a lot of things, what not to do. And I watched things being rewarded. Everyone should be like, this is not what I want to do. This is not right. And you're in the class with a bunch of crazy people too, honestly. You know? AndMichael Jamin (00:07:47):What kind of things do you learn that you, you're not supposed toTaylor Williamson (00:07:50):Do? I, as I was saying that I was like, that's gonna be a, a follow up question. I can't think of one, but like, rule of threes all this, I don't, I don't like the, I don't like these. It's just like, yes, those are things, right? But then also it doesn't have to be as such, you know? Mm-Hmm. I'm trying to think of like better examples of that. But here's the positive that I got out of it is if you're fat, talk about it. If you're skinny, talk about it. Mm-Hmm. and the, this is what I got out of the class that's invaluable, is that everything I got picked on in school was things that were like my superpower as a comedian or a writer. So like, all the bullies were like, Hey, you talk weird or you walk weird or you're a dork. And I, and I, I was able to spin all of those into, I go on stage, hey, so I'm weird and I, I talk weird and I walk and then people are like, we like you. And it's just kind of a beautiful thing to do comedy writing. It'sMichael Jamin (00:08:45):So funny. Yeah. This is what I say all the time to people, which is talk to talk about your vulnerabilities. That's what you want to talk about. And, you know, in screenwriting. But it's the same thing with standup. You know,Taylor Williamson (00:08:55):If that's, yeah. And I guess it's a standup that I, I, and I, I don't have better answers than this at the, off the top of my head cuz it was so long ago. But I remember like, it's like you learn to go like, oh, I'm half Jewish and I'm half Italians, so that means I like pizza that's on sale. You know? And then they go, right, great. Like, no thanks, come on. So it teaches you that kind of, but it, it does teach you what a joke is and it teaches you to get comfortable on stage and it teaches you what's out there. But I don't know, it can make a hacky hack comedian, you know?Michael Jamin (00:09:32):And then what came next? So it open mics after that you put together a five minute act orTaylor Williamson (00:09:36):Something. So I was k very tenacious and ridiculous. And I knew I was very, I did very, I was very good for my age. And this is also the time when not everyone's on Instagram and TikTok and all this stuff. So like, I was maybe one of the three 17 year old standup comedians out there, Uhhuh , like, you know what I mean? So I was probably the best music quotation of fingers. 17 year old com, I don't know. So I got all, I got attention and I was really good, especially in front of that supportive body. It's represented by their friends and stuff, you know? Mm-Hmm. , I didn't invite anybody, but like in that safe space, I, I don't know, I was very good at my age. I don't know, this probably sounds douchy, but, so I moved to LA to for college, but really for comedy. And it was very humbling doing an open mic that was not that safe space. And then the crowd wasn't so supportive. I'm like, what, what's wrong with you people? Oh wait, that's not real. This is real. You know? Yeah. But I got really good video footage, videotape, footage b you know, BCRs, those things. And who,Michael Jamin (00:10:42):Who brought the camera?Taylor Williamson (00:10:43):So the comedy workshop, you pay like four, 4 billion and then you get to do the eight weeks, then you get a tape at the end. So I got a killer tape. So I sent that to the, the producers of the Tonight Show, . I sent it to the last comic standing producers. I sent it to Eddie Brill, who booked David Letterman. So like, I was 18, I was, gosh, was it before I was 18. And didMichael Jamin (00:11:08):They they write back? Yeah. Did they reach out? What'dTaylor Williamson (00:11:10):They say? Yeah. Every time.Michael Jamin (00:11:12):, what'd theyTaylor Williamson (00:11:12):Say? These guys, every time I remember I never got, I don't believe I ever got them on the phone. Eddie Bri Letterman guy called me. I remember, I remember being in college 18 in the hallway. I had a voicemail from the booker for Letterman. Nowadays I would've recorded it and saved it. You know, this is like flip from time. So, and he was like, thanks for the tape. Funny jokes. Cause I remember reading somewhere that he responds to every bird, everyone who submits. And I remember he said, yeah, you can't do the AIDS joke on the show, the aids. It was like, you g it wasn't a AIDS joke, but it was like, the joke was, I was trying to be Bitch Hedberg at the time, you know, like brilliant one-liner guy. I'll show me one of those guys. So like, I remember being like, all these people are walking for aids, so I'm against aids.(00:11:59):I don't know. You know what I mean? Right. Some dumb joke like that. And he's like, you can't say that. You can't say that, but keep working at it. Whatever. And the Bob Reedit Tonight Show was so sweet and he seemed accessible to me cuz he was a judge on last comic standing, the first few, few seasons. Uhhuh . So he would send me the tape back, say, thanks for the tape, keep working at it. They would literally return this sender, but with a note and Thank you. And, and then the last time he called me or sent me like the third time, he was like, you don't have to keep sending me tapes . But he is still supportive though. You know, like, it was like, Hey, you don't have to keep doing, it wasn't like, leave me alone. But like, it was like, I think, I think he called me to tell me to stop chill, chill a little bit, you know,Michael Jamin (00:12:39):Give some, give some time. But then like you would, do you know if other comics who do this, like reach out? Is that how you Well,Taylor Williamson (00:12:46):I think funny shows, I think crazy 40 year olds do it now. I think. Like, I was cute cause I was young. Oh, I, I can't imagine what their emails are like now. You know? Now it's much of insane. Not well,Michael Jamin (00:12:56):But you wouldn't, you don't know anybody. Like, you wouldn't do this to get booked on any of these shows. Now that's not, ITaylor Williamson (00:13:00):Mean, I mean now I, I do, but I know the people Uhhuh, , you know what I'm saying? Now I'm like, I've done all these things. Would you please take a look at my, I ha I nowadays, if I wanna get on like James Cordon and I have the guy's email and I make a five minute tape and I send them a nice email, hi, I'm Taylor, I've done these things. Or how you been? We had coffee one time, whatever. But I DoesMichael Jamin (00:13:22):That work? Does that stuff work?Taylor Williamson (00:13:24):Yeah. I mean, I haven't been on James Cordon, so maybe not. But yeah, they, I mean, if you're professional in this business, like Uhhuh , I've a mistake that I've made, and I'm even sure my reps would agree, like, don't go through them for everything. Like I, I used to think you have to go through representation and get shit done. Can I curse on this show? Yeah. A a big mistake I made in this business is not using my personal relationships that I have and just reaching out myself.Michael Jamin (00:13:48):That's so, man, dude, it's so interesting. Cause I say the same exact things, but for screenwriter, like I say, people think that I get, I need an agent, I need a manager. Like, that's gonna change your life. And the truth is, it's not, you still gotta do 99% of the work yourself.Taylor Williamson (00:14:04):. I honest, I'm grateful to any of my reps who are listening to this. They're not listening. And I mean it sincerely, like I've been news for 19 years. So like, I have like old men wisdom, even though I'm not like a thousand years old yet. But like almost everything that I've gotten that was like monumental or big, big deal was without representation. Mm-Hmm. like respect to them for making the deals way better than it would've been at them itself or to, to them for making something. Mm-Hmm. taken to the next level. You know, that's their jobs. You know, I think most honest and classy agents and managers would agree that Yeah. Like they, they pour gasoline on fires, but you have to start the fire yourself. Yeah. And like, you gotta do it. And I thought it was unprofessional to reach out without them.(00:14:55):Now do, like, I'm, I'm selling unscripted shows right now. That's kinda what I'm hustling on. And I just say, Hey, Jillian told me this, or her sister told me this. She was a producing partner who's brilliant too. Like, yeah. She just goes, Hey, I had a meeting with, I'm making up, I had a meeting with paramount today. Oh cool. How was it? You know? Mm-Hmm. . So I, I call my agent agent and go, I said, I have these three pitch meetings today. Can you please reach out to some of these places I don't have? And sometimes I just go, can you gimme their email? Cause they have Rolodex.Michael Jamin (00:15:28):Interesting.Taylor Williamson (00:15:29):Interesting. Do I sound like a crazy person rightMichael Jamin (00:15:30):Now? No. And so you set up the meeting yourself? Is that what you're saying?Taylor Williamson (00:15:34):Honestly, I set up a, like I try to do it myself and then I reach out to them if I need help, even for comedy club bookings.Michael Jamin (00:15:40):Whoa. Let's talk about that. What do you mean for comedy book? So you have a, you don't have a separate booker forTaylor Williamson (00:15:45):Comedy clubs? I have a booking agent who's awesome and, but like, I just got a gig in Atlanta at the com, at the Punchline comedy club out there. And the guy texted me cause he knows me, right. I'm just long enough before I know the pe I know them. So I can just like some, some of these owners of comedy clubs, I can just text and say, Hey, I've done your, you know, I've done the club 10 times, you know? Mm-Hmm. So like, I've been there the 30 days of my life. I've hung out with these people. Hey, can I I'd love to come. I'd love to do a weekend with you guys. You have anythingMichael Jamin (00:16:15):Coming up? Is that, and is that what you do? I mean, you'll fly to Atlanta and you'll do a couple of shows at this one club? Or do you go on tour? Like, do you go from Atlanta to the next city, whatever the next city, Raleigh. I mean, we used to, you might make a tour of it or do you just keep flying back and forth to laTaylor Williamson (00:16:30):That's kind of, a lot of people are doing that now. Like, I mean, that's always been kind of, if you're like gym Gaffigan level or like mm-hmm. , whatever. Like if you're a superstar, you're, you're doing like theater, theater, theater, you know? Mm-Hmm. . I'm still comedy club level guy. Mm-Hmm. . So I do weekends. But a lot of these TikTok stars, like people who are getting like independently famous just from their social media, like yourself, honestly, they're, they're doing off nights at comedy clubs. So like, they're doing like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, they'll be in Cincinnati one night. They'll go to date in the next night. They'll go to Toledo the next night.Michael Jamin (00:17:08):Why Off nights though? What's that about?Taylor Williamson (00:17:10):Because the weekends are tradition. The business is changing so much. But in comedy clubs, the weekends are traditionally held for quote, established comedians. Uhhuh, the idea being that if some randoms walk in, they're gonna have a good time. Like, I'm Taylor, I'm a comedian, I've been on America Set Talent, I've done Economy Central, all these things. But like, if people just walking, cause they wanna see a comedy show, they're probably gonna be fine, you know? But like on a Tuesday they would book a TikTok dancer or they'll book someone who just got famous cuz they're really funny and people are connected to their jokes, but they haven't been around that much.Michael Jamin (00:17:52):But they can still put Get Asses and Cs.Taylor Williamson (00:17:55):Right. But also the other side of it, the business side of it too is if I do a weekend, I can get a guaranteed deal. Uhhuh. , that's enough for me to come out no matter what. If we sell lots of tickets or not, but the people going on a Tuesday, they could make more money than I if they sell every ticket. The venue is more willing to give up equity in ticket sales on an off night than on a weekend.Michael Jamin (00:18:18):And so what does equity ha like splitting the door?Taylor Williamson (00:18:20):Yeah. So like if, so a a comic who, if you can sell out 300, 400 seats or whatever the venue seats on a Tuesday night, you can say the venue give me 80% ticket sales, I'll, I'll fly on 80%. Yeah. Or more, you know, I'll come in on Wednesday, you get drink sales, I'll get the ticket sales And the clubs. HaveMichael Jamin (00:18:40):These venues have 300 seats or is it some ofTaylor Williamson (00:18:42):ThemMichael Jamin (00:18:43):A lot? Or is that just like the number of shows? Because I thought they're like, I thought most of these clubs are smaller.Taylor Williamson (00:18:48):A lot of comedy clubs now are switching to bigger venues because they're trying to compete with theaters. Okay. Because thanks to Netflix and social media, comedians are selling more tickets than they've ever sold. Ever. Like, like there was just, there's a poll star that just came out. This is public information. Like Burt Chrysler made 25 million touring last year. This year.Michael Jamin (00:19:11):Like we almost, we almost did a show with Bert . Yeah, we talked about it. Now he's 25 million. That's a lot of money. His house wasn't that nice. .Taylor Williamson (00:19:19):Well that no,Michael Jamin (00:19:20):It's wasn't 25 million.Taylor Williamson (00:19:22):Well now he has three houses. Neil Brennan just did a podcast with David Letterman bragging about how Burt er is killing it and let him in like was like laughing, rubbing his eyes like 25 million . That's probably more, that's legit. Probably more than he made doing his show. Legit, you know, andMichael Jamin (00:19:39):Just touring.Taylor Williamson (00:19:40):Yeah, just touring. And I mean, to be fair, that's gross sales before commission, right? I mean, as we all know, like that's before 30, 30% commission. You know, you're aging 30% commission.Michael Jamin (00:19:50):OhTaylor Williamson (00:19:50):Man. Tour manager, lawyer, maybe no lawyer for touringMichael Jamin (00:19:54):Your tour manager. They take 10%.Taylor Williamson (00:19:57):I'm, I said business man. So your manager takes 10%, your agent takes 10%, your business manager takes 5%.Michael Jamin (00:20:04):Well you don't need a business manager, but you need touring manager.Taylor Williamson (00:20:08):I, so I don't know how he does tour manager. I'm just thinking like, normal manager. Wow,Michael Jamin (00:20:13):This is so interesting. I didn't know this talk was gonna be as interesting as it is.Taylor Williamson (00:20:16):Oh, you know what Mr. But last thing I say is Bert said on a podcast that he said that just talk to him. You actually, you don't have to talk to him. Just talk to me. I'll tell you about him. He said he wouldn't take a movie or TV show right now. The wildest thing to hear a comedian say I get it. But like that's so not how we all started. Because he's making so much touring and he has, he has gigs booked and he, his fans, he has such connection with his fans.Michael Jamin (00:20:40):That's so interesting. Cause I've never ied to develop a show and it was his idea. And then he kind of, I think he lost interest of his own idea probably because he is like, I don't need to do this. I can make more money on, on the road.Taylor Williamson (00:20:50):Wow. Yeah. And it just, the dream is just different now. Like I started in 2003 and like I, my dream at that time, I'm sure we talked about this during one of our writing sessions slash therapy sessions for me. Yeah. But like, I wanted to do like Timal and Drew Carey, Ray Romano, all that, that you become a really funny comedian. You work hard and then you pair up with brilliant comedy writer like yourself and then you get a sitcom. And that's not how it goes anymore. Most people don't want to bolt at Cam sitcom even like Yeah. You know what's kind of interesting too? My girlfriend is an actress, so she's brilliant and then comedian and all the things. She's absolutely brilliant. And she's Filipino and she's, I said to her like, I had all these people I wanted to be like, and I don't know what to do anymore. You know, one of those things. And she's like, that's cool that you had people that you watched on TV that you wanted, that had a blueprint for you. Cuz I never had that. I was able Oh,Michael Jamin (00:21:51):So you're saying because she's Phillips there weren't any role models forTaylor Williamson (00:21:53):Her. There was no like, oh, I wanna be like that. I wanna be like that. It was just kind of like rufi respect. But like the guy who played Rufio and Hook and Tia Carre Respect, you know, I think she'sMichael Jamin (00:22:01):Yeah. Yeah. ButTaylor Williamson (00:22:02):Like, yeah. It's justMichael Jamin (00:22:04):Interesting. But she's an actor comedian.Taylor Williamson (00:22:05):Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:22:07):And does she, so she, do you, do you work a lot with her then?Taylor Williamson (00:22:11):We are pitch show together, actually, but no, no, she's not really standup. She's more of a Oh, she's a standup, but she's, she's an actor and stuff.Michael Jamin (00:22:17):So how did you meet her then?Taylor Williamson (00:22:19):We met doing standup like a million years ago. We, but we reconnected recently. Wow.Michael Jamin (00:22:25):Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And so you, and so I, so when you, when you talk about reality show or or unscripted, what, like, what are you, you don't have to tell me your ideas, but is that your, for you to star in some kind of unscripted show that you'reTaylor Williamson (00:22:37):Saying, yeah, please don't steal my ideas.Michael Jamin (00:22:39):I, you, I don't, I don't, I don't know anything about scripted. People ask me about scripted all the time. Like, I don't know how itTaylor Williamson (00:22:45):Works. I don't know how it works either, honestly. But it's what you said though. It's, you have an idea and then you get people, people go, I don't know. And then you get someone attached to people trust and they go, oh, that's a great idea. ,(00:22:57):You convinced the person who people res have, who has the equity in that field and status or whatever you wanna use whatever word you wanna use. And then and that's, that's what I've done. So like, I, the, the success I've had in unscripted TV is I had a travel show on Spike tv or a pilot a few years ago mm-hmm. . And I knew this guy Tom Beers, who's like a genius. He's like a mad scientist for unscripted television. And he's, he's got a really inspiring story. Like he became a superstar, like in his fifties. Mm-Hmm. . And like, he wasn't a millionaire to his fifties, but then he became like super millionaire. He created Deadliest Catch and Ice Road Truckers and Oh and a Thousand Ways to Die in Storage Wars and stuff. And he won the Emmy every year for Deadliest Catch. Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:23:42):I loved Deadliest Catch.Taylor Williamson (00:23:43):Yeah. And and so I, I knew him through cuz he was the c e O of Freemantle after he's sold his company to Freemantle, which produced a G T. So, and I had a holding deal with Freemantle and N B C. So I just reached out to him after I had some bummer business stuff happen. And I just reached out to him. Cause there was a nice guy who I know he saw me perform and he liked me and he was nice to me. And then and then he started his, I messaged him on Facebook. Like, I, like I don't have his phone number, you know? Right. And this is a few years ago. And then he, we met up and we brainstormed a lot and him and his partners and at his company and we got a pilot with Spike TV after. And it was like, this is like a two year process by the way. Like Yeah. It takes forever. It was a whole thing. And then you selling a pilot, I didn't get any money, you know what I mean? , I making a, I didn't get any money.Michael Jamin (00:24:41):Didn't make any, you didn't make any money at all. Went the budget of the show. Tell me what your, so tell me what a holding deal for the ever loved one. Listen, what exactly is a holding deal?Taylor Williamson (00:24:50):So I got the janky kind of holding deal you get nowadays, like I hear comedians from the nineties talk about their holding deals. They would get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to be exclusive to networks.Michael Jamin (00:25:03):Yeah. And never actually get anything made. But they would hear pitches or sometimes they would pitch. Right.Taylor Williamson (00:25:08):Yeah. So it's like you just, you they'd get pilots or they have shows built around. I mean, I'm telling you, I'm telling you know about the audience. You know, you tell the audienceMichael Jamin (00:25:15):No, but you tell me what, what your, what your jankyTaylor Williamson (00:25:17):Holding was. So I got the Janky Reality show holding deal where, and they didn't force it upon me. Like I was flat grateful for it, but I think it was $10,000. So from being America's Got Talent, they had the option, they could have gone way harder on me. These real, these reality show contracts are insane. Like lawyers tell you don't sign them. Like they have the rights to like own your soul forever and things you make for the future and stuff. You can find the contracts online, it's really, really bad. But they didn'tMichael Jamin (00:25:44):You don't sign those, you don't sign those contractsTaylor Williamson (00:25:46):Or Well, I did it when I was a contestant cause I was desperate.Michael Jamin (00:25:50):Well, that, well that's another thing. Okay. So you did sign one of those contracts, the A G T, but they don't own you now?Taylor Williamson (00:25:55):No, no, no. And it was for a couple years. And it's confusing cause I was on the show last week, but the contract ended after a couple of years. It's confusing. But yeah, theyMichael Jamin (00:26:04):They keep on calling you to back into,Taylor Williamson (00:26:07):Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. SoMichael Jamin (00:26:08):Heidi, I know Heidi loves you.Taylor Williamson (00:26:09):Yeah. she says hi by the way,Michael Jamin (00:26:13):. I know she does.Taylor Williamson (00:26:15):But so the, there's a contract that I signed that I'm sure is similar. It's probably worse now honestly. But they have the rights to like specials and ticket sales and all these things they could have claimed because like One Direction, Simon Cal owned one sixth of One Direction, I believe. Interesting. Cause they were an X Factor show.Michael Jamin (00:26:35):Right.Taylor Williamson (00:26:36):Right. So he, he put them together and he owned them. So they, but they didn't take a penny from me. But the holding deal was, they had the option for a holding deal and I could have fought it and they, I don't think they would've enforced it upon me. Right, right. But and I heard that kids can get out of this stuff. The crazy, if you're under 18, you can just be like, I'm 16, leave me alone. Whatever you sign. I think there's a thing I heard that's if you're a teenager that wants to be in a reality show. But so I, I had like a $10,000 holding deal, which my reps thought it was a good idea to go with it because I would be touring so much that whole year and then we could develop something. It was the NBC and Fremantle. Mm-Hmm. . I was frustrated by it because I wasn't supposed to audition for things outside of that. So I felt restrained while it didn't go the way I hoped it would. But because Do youMichael Jamin (00:27:25):Do a lot of auditions for acting parts?Taylor Williamson (00:27:27):Not as much as I like, but I do. Oh really? Yeah. I just auditioned for Caribbean Enthusiasm and I was so excited cuz I've al I've never been able to get that even on audition. And that's my dream to be on that.Michael Jamin (00:27:36):And so was that for casting or did you go directly to Larry?Taylor Williamson (00:27:39):It's all online now. Oh. So from my understanding, when you audition for Kir, you go, you go to Larry. Like you're, you play, you play with him. Right. But Right. Even like my cousin's an actress, my girlfriend, like the most successful p people, it's still on tape.Michael Jamin (00:27:55):Yeah, right, right. I forgot about that. It's been so long.Taylor Williamson (00:27:58):. Yeah. But, but even, even like an improv. So, but I'm saying that even like an improv audition, which is curb. Yeah. Like you just ramble with your friend that you're filming it with.Michael Jamin (00:28:07):See that's, that's hard, especially for improv cuz your friend, you have to play with your friend. Mm-Hmm. . Wow. And so, yeah. So, so how did you go from, I have so many questions, but how did you go from that first standup you're doing open mics to actually someone paying you?Taylor Williamson (00:28:24):I got my first paid gig about a year in like, I got a lot of, so I sent my tape to like, everyone you should never send your tape to like, like just cuz I had a, I was, I mean, looking back, I was very, if you go online you can find some clips. Thankfully that took out the problematic stuff. It was different time period. . Yeah. Yeah. But like, I'm not, but like but like I was very good for my age and like, so I sent my tape to people and then I got booked at the improv in Ontario when I was 18. That was my first paycheck.Michael Jamin (00:28:54):You to tape when you, okay, you say you're taped to Booker, to the owners of comedyTaylor Williamson (00:28:57):Stores. Man managers and agents. I contacted manager agency. Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:29:01):But is that okay?Taylor Williamson (00:29:03):You should not do that. It's not the move to do. It's insanity. And it's a different time now where you don't need toMichael Jamin (00:29:08):Do that. So how would, so how would you, if you're trying to break in, so how, if you, how are you today? Go get, if you're doing open mics for, I don't know if you're ready after doing,Taylor Williamson (00:29:16):I can tell you exact what someone should do today. Yeah. To post their clips on in my day. You don't post your clips. I remember when I, when I, I was submitting for, I made a tape. I'm trying to remember exactly why I made a tape. I uploaded it to YouTube at private YouTube. I don't even think private was an option or I didn't know how to do it. I don't know. But I uploaded a clip on YouTube and this is 2007 mm-hmm. . And I wanted it anyway, I got on Craig Ferguson when I was 20 in 2007. And I rushed to get the tape off of YouTube. Cause I didn't wanna have my jokes on YouTube. Cuz the, the thought back then was, and I still did fix this in my, myself, my head. I, I started like two a couple years too early.(00:30:01):Cuz the ti the, the business and rule the rules in our brain just changed so much. I don't know if you, if you, if you ever feel like that, but you, you're such an amazing job doing things the way you things are done now. But anyways, but we didn't want our ec clips online because we thought people are gonna come see us perform. They're gonna hear the jokes again. And comedy doesn't work the way music does. Where you want to hear the, the repeat of like, I could hear a Foo Fighters sing Everlong 12 times in a row. Be like, this is great. You know? Right. But stand up. You don't wanna hear the same joke 12 times, you know, so, but now, like, you want, you want your clips online and I struggle with that causeMichael Jamin (00:30:37):So Well why do you want your clips online? Do don't, I mean, don't you still feel like they don't want to hear your jokes again?Taylor Williamson (00:30:43):Yeah, but that's not, it's not how younger people are or anyone is. The consumers aren't like that now. I think they want,Michael Jamin (00:30:49):If you act online, will they go see it at a club even though they've already heard it? Yeah, they will. They will see it. They'll hear itTaylor Williamson (00:30:54):Twice. I don't think people hold on to joke memory like that.Michael Jamin (00:30:58):Really.Taylor Williamson (00:30:58):Yeah. And, and enough people, I think the idea is that listen, say best case scenario, even if you're famous, 40% of the people saw that clip you posted. They bring a date, they bring their friends. Right. There's gonna be enough people laughing where everyone's okay and their friends says, I love that joke. Oh yeah, I saw 'em on Instagram. That's why people be excited that they knew about it. And now people are into like, I'm old and I always liked if music was on mtv, I liked it. But if they're indie, I didn't listen to it. Which is so stupid and ignorant and not thank God as an artist. Other people don't feel like that, you know. But like, people want him, people like loving some Instagram comic now. And like I have a buddy, Ralph Barbosa, he's a really special young comedian. He's like 26 or 27 out of Dallas. He's been posting clips on Instagram and TikTok. He went from like 4,000 followers in April to like 160,000. Now in December when we're taping this and on TikTok, he has way more,Michael Jamin (00:31:57):He's posting clips that he records at a club.Taylor Williamson (00:32:00):Yeah. He's po he's selling out more tickets than like, I think than I sold. I don't know, I don't know all his numbers, but I think he's selling you more than I sold after being on America's Got Talent for a Year. You know what I'm saying? Interesting. He just sold out eight shows at the Hollywood Improv in, in February.Michael Jamin (00:32:19):And how many seats is that?Taylor Williamson (00:32:21):I don't know. 200 something really. But he sold them out months in, in advance. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. And they gave him the Wednesday night cuz he's a young comic who's new and whatever. Then they gave him a slate, show ends it, then they gave him a Tuesday, they gave him LA show Tuesday. Then they're like, okay, you want the whole week . I haven't seen that since. Wow. Maybe Joe Coy or Gabriel Glacia. You know, that'sMichael Jamin (00:32:43):So interesting because, because you really are, you're, it's hard to get people outta their house on a week weekend, a weeknight. And yet they'll come out to seeTaylor Williamson (00:32:50):Him. I commented on one of his posts, he's this kid open for me. He's like my little opener. I say Little is younger than me, like, but like, he's like, he's a kid who, when I went to Dallas, he'd be like, can I open for you again? And like, you have any other gigs? And I'm like, you know what? He's funny. He's nice. I would take him to lunch and like, I treated him the way I wish people would've treated me when I was that age, you know, and younger or whatever. And and some people did. And it meant a lot to me, you know? And like I knew he's special. I knew he is gonna do something, but how do you know he's gonna be like in two years? You know? Wow. And but he opened, he was my opener in Dallas like seven months ago. And now he's like, he's gonna be in la I'm like, can I, can I open for you on your showsMichael Jamin (00:33:33):? IsTaylor Williamson (00:33:33):That right? No joke. You know. Wow. Like, and and I'm actually coming, I'm working on a, what's kind of special too is like me and Chip Pope, you know our friendship. Yeah, yeah. We, we were, I said to Chip cuz I, I talked to my friend who was producing a thing for Netflix, like a new faces type thing for standups in like February. And I was like, you gotta get this guy Ralph and audition. And so we came out for that and I was like, Ralph is so special, we gotta come up with an A show for him. And like, so we've been talking about it for a while and now serendipitously he's become like this little superstar. He's in Dallas and he's, he got represent, he's got the biggest agent and biggest manager. He didn't have to move to la he didn't have to move to New York.(00:34:13):He's staying in Dallas. It's, I'm posting on social media being funny and working hard. He was seen the, the Alleg. So anyways, but so we're, we're working on a show with him now, which I'm really excited about a scripted show. And wow. But the last thing I'll say on that is the confusing thing for me is it used to be you tap dance for like a, a, a gatekeeper. Like trying to get some kind of producer to like, I hope they were your email, they booked me or whatever, whatever. Now you're, you're trying to make an algorithm like youMichael Jamin (00:34:44):Well, but I, but I think it's more about, cuz I say something like this as well as people are saying, well how do I break into Hollywood? How will you read my script? Will, like how do I get a manager or agent? It's like, dude, all of this stuff you could do on your own. Yeah. You, you don't have to beg for permission. You just do it. Yeah. They do it and make it great and people will come to you.Michael Jamin (00:35:07):Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michaeljamin.com/watchlist.Taylor Williamson (00:35:31):You know what's funny? It, it sounds k like easy for you to say or it sounds kind of like, like bullshit advice on mm-hmm. at first. Like, like how I used to, I remember they, how do, like an agent will they find you? How do they find you will get it seen by them? Well, we gotta get booked. It, it was just like, but what comes first? Chicken and their egg kind of thing. Whatever. And what you just said sounds the same, but now is like, someone's been around a long time. You're right. And it sounds not fair and it sounds ridiculous. I'm seeing it all day and like, can I tell you my agent, I, I'm with a great agent at a great agency and like they rep Dave Chappelle and stuff. He's not, I, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn for, I don't know. But like, I mean, he would come on and say the same thing. He would say, it's the somebody he told me a few months ago, if you're on tonight's show, it's not going to, it's not what it used to be. Right. My, I he didn't say this, I'm saying this, but I bet my agent would rather represent somebody who has a million Instagram followers than someone who was just on this Tonight show.Michael Jamin (00:36:32):Right.Taylor Williamson (00:36:33):And has no followers and but has potential and like they, you something special. It's not the current, it's a more valuable currency to have a big social media following than to have been on Jimmy Fallon.Michael Jamin (00:36:46):Interesting man. It's changing so much. It's, but see, to me, I, I would think that gives people hope because it's like you, you're more in control of your destiny than you think you are. You meets empowering, you know,Taylor Williamson (00:36:59):It's, to me, it's stressful for me. It's stressful because like, I was like climbing this ladder for so many years and then the the then like game changed. Everyone's on this other ladder. I'm like, what about this one? But this one, everyone's like, Hey, have fun over there, but we're over here. So beat them or beat them or join them. What is it? Join them or, IMichael Jamin (00:37:16):Don't know. Well, what is your, like what, what is your goal? What at this point you're traveling, you work all the time, every you work every week that you wanna work.Taylor Williamson (00:37:25):Yeah. You know, it's confusing coming outta Covid. It's confusing. I've had, I had like some almost things that went to shit cuz of Covid. I had like a thing that was supposed to happen. Like I was gonna start working for Fox. I always liked wrestling. You know, we talked about that and like, yeah. And I was gonna start being a correspondent on Fox primetime being like a daily show type correspondent. But for wrestling stuff, like talking to fans and wrestlers and celebrities and like that kind of thing. So I was gonna be on Saturday night primetime Fox WrestleMania 2020. And like, and then if that went well, it'd be, I'd be on the weekly Fox Sports show after that.Michael Jamin (00:37:59):But why is that? WhyTaylor Williamson (00:38:01):Is that Covid Covid shut down Covid? No, no audiences, you know, so then, right, that was on Fox. And then since, by the time then Fox canceled the show I was gonna be on before Covid stopped being closing down everything. And then by the time fans came back last year, w b kind of transitioned to n b nbc. So Fox is kind of like, we're not gonna keep making this kind of stuff cuz you're withMichael Jamin (00:38:26):Nbc. Well, why do you care? The, because is it more about the exposure about the moneys about the lifestyle or, you know, cause that's, it would've Fox comedy,Taylor Williamson (00:38:33):But I would've gotten to be a, a comedian. I would've gotten to be Taylor being silly. I wouldn't be work. That wasn't a job working for ww it would've been a job with Fox Uhhuh . So I would've been same as Frank Callo and Rob Riggle do for NFL's Sunday, you know.Michael Jamin (00:38:48):Oh, I didn't know that. Frank Callo isTaylor Williamson (00:38:49):That? Yeah, he's, I mean, Frank's been doing that for a year, for 15 years, probably. Like, oh, John Madden impression got like, blew him up. Yeah. That's probably, that's probably bigger for him than Matt TV maybe.Michael Jamin (00:38:59):Right? ThatTaylor Williamson (00:39:00):Sounds interesting. So, so that would've been a thing that led to more hosting opportunities and just like, I'm so grateful for America's Got Talent, but my struggle has been I, I'm always confused on these things. Am I supposed to talk about how great I am and how great perfect things.Michael Jamin (00:39:14):We, we talked, we're honest here on this podcast,Taylor Williamson (00:39:17):. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think, I think it's important to share stuff. And that's a, that's honestly another confusing thing in this business too, is it used to be, I remember talking to Tommy John again about this. Do you know Tommy?Michael Jamin (00:39:28):No.Taylor Williamson (00:39:29):He's a brilliant standup who's just become a superstar TV writer, producer, Uhhuh . And but he's like this killer stand up. And but I remember talking to him, we did Last Comic Standing in TW 2010, and I remember him saying, I don't respond to fan mail. You gotta pretend Brian Regan doesn't turn to fan mail. You gotta be like, you're Mick Jagger. You know, you gotta make the crowd think that you're famous. Like that's the, that's the attitude that people had. You know, like,Michael Jamin (00:39:54):But now it's not that.Taylor Williamson (00:39:55):Now it's like if you don't return an email, like, or a DM or don't resp, people think you're a jerk sometimes, you know? IsMichael Jamin (00:40:01):That right? You're supposed to respond.Taylor Williamson (00:40:03):It's confusing, especially during Covid, everyone's doing Instagram lives and interacting and stuff and like mm-hmm. , I don't know. I I need you. I don't know, people, people wanna be friends with you now or feel like they're friends with you. Yeah. I don't know if there's a point to this, but oh yeah. So now, but then now also people want to hear artists be vulnerable and talk about like, yeah, things are hard right now. Like yeah, like Covid shut down my career. I couldn't work for a year. Like, right. Some people, I don't know. They, they leaned into the TikTok and all that stuff. And for me, that wasn't healthy for me, for my brain to just go hard on that. And, but anyways, it is a confusing business and but I have a lot of cool things going on too, and a lot of potential things. AndMichael Jamin (00:40:48):So why did you, because you're from San Diego, so why did you move to LA then for that reason to be more connected to other opportunities?Taylor Williamson (00:40:55):I moved when I was 18 and I had to go to college. Oh. And I got into Cal State Northridge one of the greatest schools in the country. It's like Harvard. It's like Harvard and HarvardMichael Jamin (00:41:05):On the highway.Taylor Williamson (00:41:07):.Michael Jamin (00:41:08):,Taylor Williamson (00:41:08):Is that what they call it?Michael Jamin (00:41:10):? Maybe. I, they call the school that they don't call thatTaylor Williamson (00:41:13):I've never heard of. That's funny. But yeah. So I got, but it was my excuse to move to LA and I, I wanted to be, well, I thought that the owner of the comedy store's daughter likes me. I thought I was gonna be like, I was so a little bit too tenacious, like cringeworthy going for it, you know, like I remember calling the comedy store saying, I took Sandy's comedy workshop. Michael Jamin (00:41:33):.Taylor Williamson (00:41:34):Yeah. And you get it. But just knowing,Michael Jamin (00:41:35):But you're a kid.Taylor Williamson (00:41:36):I'm a kid. But like, just knowing who is answering out the fucking bitter door like phone guy, like, yeah, thanks buddy. You know what I mean? Like, they were nice to me. Actually, I remember I talked to the guy who, I think it was Duncan Trussel, who's a great comic. I think he was the talent booker at the time. Anyways. But I moved to LA and then I went to New York for a couple years. But now you don't have to live anywhere really. It's really Right. My, my girlfriend's an actress. She's living in Atlanta now. And she's on big shows. She's on huge shows. But like, that's where you don't because they they film in Atlanta. Right. You don't have to, you don't have to. It's really weird cuz everything I've , I'm talking like I'm 70, but like everything, the rules, it's completely like, like, like an, it's like a, like an earthquake and everything is all different now.Michael Jamin (00:42:27):Yeah, no,Taylor Williamson (00:42:28):I can, and it's not bad at all. It's, it's good in many ways, but it's confusing for like an old man like me. Like, wait, this is how it is. This must be how racist people feel. You know, like, yeah,Michael Jamin (00:42:39):Right.Taylor Williamson (00:42:39):We like diverse, we like minorities. Now what?Michael Jamin (00:42:44):But what I want have other things. I wanna men get to you cuz I, you know, so much to,Taylor Williamson (00:42:49):I don't sound sad, do I? I'm, I I think it's information to share with a fellow artist,Michael Jamin (00:42:54):Listeners. I, I think this is super interesting. Maybe I, I love this conversation.Taylor Williamson (00:42:58):I got a puppy for the people watching. It was a cute puppy.Michael Jamin (00:43:00):I don't think that's a dog though,Taylor Williamson (00:43:02):Sir.Michael Jamin (00:43:03):How dare you?Taylor Williamson (00:43:04):I enjoy your humor most of the time. But when you talk about the love of my life is beautiful. She's Jewish by the way. She says happy Hanukkah. WhatMichael Jamin (00:43:12):Is your name again? Your dog?Taylor Williamson (00:43:13):This is Betty.Michael Jamin (00:43:14):Betty. I didn't know that. I didn't know that was her name.Taylor Williamson (00:43:17):Well,Michael Jamin (00:43:18):You don't know why is she squint? Why is she why is she squinting like that? Why is she eye fucking me like thatTaylor Williamson (00:43:22):Sir? How dare you? She's, she's falling asleep cuz she's comfortable looking in your eyes.Michael Jamin (00:43:28):Oh, she's, ah, she's in transplant my eyes. I wanna talk because I wanna talk about how you transitioned from writing just jokes. Like you're saying you wanna be like, do a Mitch Headberg head.Taylor Williamson (00:43:38):Oh, that transition.Michael Jamin (00:43:39):Yes. But then not the other one. Not the yeah, not the other one, but you kind of, how you found your voice.Taylor Williamson (00:43:46):Yeah. That's one of those other things that people go, like, when people say how long does it take? There's no rules, but like how long does it takes you to find your voice? I think Pan, I could be making up a complete story, but I feel like he said it took 20 years for him to become like, to really find his thing, whatever, while people say 10 years, whatever, there's no rules for anything. Like you could have a car that's 10 years old, but you can drive it three times. That's not the same as someone who does 500 shows a year and hustles whatever. But like, and some people have, we've all, I started comedy when I was 17 and I was, wasn't a full human. So like I, I didn't know have things to ex life experience to talk about things. Everyone's and everyone's lives are different.(00:44:23):Whatever. There's people who start, there's this special guy who's he just passed away, but he was in his eighties shoot, I'm gonna find his name before we hang up on this cuz he's so special. He is worth mentioning. But he was 80 in his eighties doing standup comedy and he started, and he had all this to talk about and it was really cool. And I'm gonna talk to you while looking his name, but how did I find my voice? Is that the question? Yeah, yeah. I dunno. You just live your life and you keep doing it. And like the, my favorite compliment I get, and the first time I got this was really made me happy. Someone said, you're the same onstage as offstage. Like, well,Michael Jamin (00:45:02):But I would say though, from watching you, I would say you're onstage, you're 10% more thanTaylor Williamson (00:45:07):Yes, you are off stage. I mean, the way you're,(00:45:11):You're an observant Jewish comedy writer. So you can see, you can see that. Yeah. Ideally it's you with the volume turned up, you know? Right, right. So yeah, like, but I used to be, if someone's bored and wants to see it, like my first Craig Ferguson appearances on YouTube. So if you'd having Taylor Williamson, Craig Ferguson in 2007, I tried not to smile. That was my shtick. And like, that's the problem, like, cool problem. Like, it's not good or bad, but being seen early, you're being seen while before you know who you are. But then, as you know, as a writer or artist, this is always so frustrating to me. But now I try to look, I I have to remind myself that it's a positive thing. This is what, this is what I got from the comedy workshop. Sandy Shore said to me, rest in peace, Sandy.(00:45:58):She said, after my set, I destroyed my, my first set I demolished like, like it was ridiculous. But I'm saying that not to practice sound like an asshole. But my point being, it went so well. And then I walked up stage and she said to me, in six months, you'll be embarrassed by that. And I was like, fuck you lady. That's my head in my head, you know? Right. I didn't know what she's talking about, but I've learned, and I still feel like that when I listen to a tape of my, I record all my stats on the audio. I look, I, if I listen to some of them from a year ago, I used to go, Ooh. But that's good. That means you're getting better. You know, you'reMichael Jamin (00:46:28):Growing. How often, how do, how often do you write new material and how do you go about writing the material?Taylor Williamson (00:46:34):I used to be really good writer, like writing every day and all that stuff. And then cause I'm more, I really see myself as a joke teller, you know? And oh, by the way, answer your question is, you'll see how I evolve the second time's on Craig first, and I'm smile. I'm trying to smile, I'm trying on purpose to smile, and then I still remind myself to smile on stage. Right. And I remind WhyMichael Jamin (00:46:56):Do you feel like you have to, why do you feel like you're not smiling?Taylor Williamson (00:46:59):By the way, Marty Ross is the guy in his eighties who's really special. Look up m a r t y, Marty Ross. He's an 80 year old comedian. Anyways. But and and I, I think it's my, I was always just appalled by, I had such extreme judgment for comedians who walk on stage, like, whoa, I'm a comedian. You know? Like, I love Robin William. Like, like I love the legendary guys like that. But like, like I would do open mics and I would watch a guy go on stage and just b like give it his all. And there's two people in the crowd. And like, it just made me so uncomfortable. Mm-Hmm. , this is clearly my problem, not theirs, you know? But I think I have a, I don't know, I, one of my struggles as a performer is I, I don't know, I don't know how to articulate it. Like, I feed off the audience. Like, if the audience likes me, I work harder and I do better. Yeah. But if they don't like me, I kind of have like a Fuck you. I don't, I don't care. You know? Right. well,Michael Jamin (00:47:57):How do you go about writing your material then?Taylor Williamson (00:47:59):Yeah. I don't, I, I've gone kind of lazy lately in the last 15 years, . But like, I kind of work out on stage. I have ideas. I mean, it used to be even beginning of my lazy face, Twitter, remember Twitter used to be for jokes and stuff. Yeah. I was just like, oh, that tweet did good. I'm gonna try to turn that into a bit. But the problem with tweets, from my experience, for me, it was more premises than punchlines. Mm-Hmm. , like, I remember I had some joke, some tweet, they got a lot of traction. I forgot what it was, but something about like,(00:48:36):This cop keeps following me. He must really like me. Or I don't know what the joke was, whatever. But I remember just saying it on stage and it bombed. Mm-Hmm. . But I re I realized, oh, it's a premise. Right. It's not the funny part. Right. So that was confusing to me. But now I, I write ideas in my notepad just randomly. Then I go on stage and I fuck around and I kind of sandwich new ideas between between jokes that work already. So I have a, I go, I have a good opener. I open strong and then I might do two, two jokes. I know work, and then I'll just ramble on something new. Cause I'm also trying to become less jokey. I'm trying to become story storyteller guy, which is very, very terrifying to me. And I still haven't figured it out.Michael Jamin (00:49:18):That's interesting. So, because you don't wanna just constantly be testing out material because you wanna people, you also wanna show people your best stuff cuzTaylor Williamson (00:49:26):The Yeah. Like when people comes, and that's something I, I blows me away that like, there's comedians that don't do, like I work out the comedy store in LA mm-hmm. and like, we still have to bring it. Like, you can't go, it's not open mic night for me, but it is for, I don't know, George Wallace if he comes in, you know what I mean? Like it can be, but he's still gonna be funny cuz he's George Wallace, you know, but who I don't, I think I've seen there once in my life. I don't know why I'm using his name because I don't think he was gonna la but like but there's like, in LA you work out and then when, when I go on the road mm-hmm. , it's 93% ready to go. Right. And if the crowd's with me, I mean, I'll, I'll do something else. But I think as you get better and do this long, you don't bomb anymore.Michael Jamin (00:50:13):Right.Taylor Williamson (00:50:14):You kind of know how to, like, I know how to recover from a joke not working. Like I, I can bomb have a joke bomb, and then I can say something and then the crowd's with me and then I can move on. Like, like it never happened, you know? Right, right. Like, I don't let it, it destroy me or the performance.Michael Jamin (00:50:28):Yeah. I remember we, we saw you. I don't remember where we but club we saw you at, butTaylor Williamson (00:50:32):You probably the improv,Michael Jamin (00:50:34):I always forget. No, no, that's not Melrose. I don't think, I don't think it was that one. I thought it was like, maybe the comedy story. Is that possible? OrTaylor Williamson (00:50:41):Maybe,Michael Jamin (00:50:43):But you were so comfortable on stage, it really was like, wow, this guy's really, he knows w

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Whitmer v. Dixon: Snoozefest 2022, the Autoblow inventor joins us, Herschel Walker's new abortion accuser, Zac Efron's bulk, Jerry Lee Lewis is alive, Taylor Swift's fat-phobic, Drew's nightmare, Sheila Ford Hamp speaks, and we call to investigate the status of Kanye West's wax figure.This show has communication problems.Michigan's Cannabis Regulatory Agency is harassing the state's buzz with weed narcs.Zac Efron has yet another new look as he bulks up to play the muscle man.Brian, the inventor of the Autoblow, zooms in to tell us about all his amazing products so you can do-it-yourself. He even provides a special code to save on your next Autoblow purchase: Trudi. Meanwhile, our Autoblow has been running for 2 straight hours.We've been rediscovering all of Bob Rivers' great Twisted Tunes.The second Michigan Gubernatorial debate between Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Tudor Dixon was last night. It was full of amazing dream weavering moments.Pennsylvania had their big Senate debate between Dr. Oz and John Fetterman. Companies keep separating themselves from Kanye West. Antonio Bryant, the president of Donda Sports, still has his back though. Spotify will keep playing his music. The "student/athletes" at his Donda Academy are punished for his anti-semetic ramblings. Since Adidas booted him, Ye showed up unannounced to the Sketcher's headquarters for a meeting.Madame Tussaud's is removing Kanye's wax figure. We call to find out if it is being melted down. A second woman accuses Herschel Walker of pressuring her to have abortion. No one is talking about Raphael Warnock's slum apartment building.Breaking News: Peloton virtue signals by saying they won't play any Kanye West music during workouts.Breaking News: Jerry Lee Lewis is still alive.The staff at Balthazar is not accepting James Cordon's over apology from his show. They also aren't buying his wife's "deadly" allergy story.Taylor Swift is in trouble for being fat-phobic. Fat Drew isn't happy about it either.James Charles still can't believe he's bald.Drew had a very scary nightmare last night.Cindy Lauper sends us down the rabbit hole of albums that had the most Top 10 hits.A Make-A-Wish teen gets his number called to score a touchdown... but Aiden was having none of it.Sheila Ford Hamp speaks about the state of the Detroit Lions and her belief in Dan Campbell.Unsolved Mysteries had another intriguing story about a college kid who went missing. He might have been an original catfisherman.New England Patriots QB Bailey Zappe was named after Scott Wolf's character on Party of 5. The interception Mac Jones threw before he was yanked actually hit the sky cam wire.Clarktober continues on!Social media is dumb, but we're on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew and Mike Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels and BranDon).

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On a God Pod far, far away, Satan and Psyche join God to battle the rightwing troll Empire, Tim Allen, and ventriloquist dolls! On Therapy With Psyche, Satan role-plays Tom Cruise role-playing God, and God breaks down over getting mean-girled for his TikTok fart video.  The Satan Show! (sponsored by Big Oil): is packed with the latest gossip about James Cordon apologizing and Olivia Wilde's ‘special salad dressing' — the gang also discusses Liz Truss's nickname, reviewer feedback, Taylor Swift's hidden meanings, the Gen-X afterlife avoidance room, squirting at church, the most destructive lie in history, MAGA groomer hypocrisy, plus Satan and Psyche battle to see who can do the best Australian accent.  So go to the bathroom and freshen up, dust off your favorite podcast listening app, click on any of those links below, and buckle up because this episode is tight AF! The God Pod: Have It Yahweh! After 6000 years of running the universe, God realized that Satan is kicking his butt, like, really bad. Over the centuries and despite lots of trying, God has not been able to smite the forces of evil. So, he started a podcast to do just that. Full of fun and heart, the God Pod is a twice-weekly opportunity for God to hang out with his fellow deities and maybe even meet some interesting humans. NEW EPISODES MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS The God Pod is everywhere! YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/TheGodPod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thegodpodcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheGodPodShow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goodgodabove/ Join our Discord server for FREE and hang out with fellow fans of the God Pod:: https://discord.gg/7v3Cc4pjMC Get the God Pod ad-free on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/godpod Find the God pod wherever you get podcasts.  thegodpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

*WARNING: WE SPOILER TÁR. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED, OUR CHAT BEGINS AT THE 38 MIN MARK, SO SKIP TO THE 55 MIN MARK *The ladies are back and this time joined by a very special guest, stylist (and Chelsea's wife) Tatiana Waterford. Topics include Charlotte's AJLT horse girl fetish look, Tony Danza cast as Che Diaz's dad, a whole host of bad news: Mel Gibson testifying at Harvey Weinstein's trial, Kevin Spacey's latest deflection, Olivia Wilde's salad dressing gate, James Cordon's bad behavior, Patti Lupone resignation, and Jared Leto's skincare line. Chelsea and Tat review Bros, Lauren's lukewarm feelings about Tar, the Met Gala theme, Jenna Lyons joining Housewives, the latest Kardashians episode, Ye's latest antics, AND SO MUCH MORE!See Charlotte's equestrian fetish look  Read the Jason Sudekis / Olivia Wilde Daily Mail articleFollow Keith McNally on InstagramSee Jared Leto's Skincare lineWatch the Bros trailerWatch the Tar trailerSee Karl Lagerfeld's child museWatch The KardashiansSee Kylie Jenner's Batman collectionFollow Tat on InstagramToday's episode is sponsored by Wildgrain.  For a limited time, you can get $30 off the first box - PLUS free Croissants in every box - when you go to Wildgrain.com/outfit to start your subscription.As well as,  BetterHelp. When you want to be a better problem solver, therapy can get you there! Get 10% off your first month when you got to BetterHelp.com/OutfitAnd,  Modern Fertility.  Modern Fertility is offering our listeners $30 off the test when you go to Modern Fertility.com/outfit.   

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Today on the Matt Walsh Show, a prominent psychologist suggests that white people should kill themselves while another worries that white people are haunted by the “ghosts of whiteness.” It's just more radical leftism from mental health professionals. The entire industry is rife with it. We'll talk about the consequences of that fact today. Also, Dr. Fauci endorses vaccine mandates for children and makes a predictably misleading argument in favor of them. A security guard shoots a man because he wasn't wearing a mask and says it's self-defense. Hollywood churns out another woke remake. And speaking of Hollywood, why was James Cordon stopping traffic and thrusting his pelvis in the faces of unsuspecting motorists?Subscribe to Morning Wire, Daily Wire's new morning news podcast, and get the facts first on the news you need to know: https://utm.io/udyIF Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices