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SEASON 3 EPISODE 117: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:45) SPECIAL COMMENT: Trump has already LOST the tariff wars he finally claimed he paused yesterday (without really pausing). Already. Took him only eight days. From Liberation Day to a day when in any other war, literal or figurative, he would have been deposed - 8 days. And never mind how much YOU AND I think he’s crazy; a high-priced adviser to macro fund managers says “a few have quietly wondered if the president might be insane." And after Wall Street came off the ledge and got back to where it was Monday – only, what, seven trillion lost – he declared victory. “Up 2500 points. Nobody has ever heard of it. Gotta be a record.” Because he can’t admit he made a mistake; his head would fall off. His approval numbers have cratered. He’s underwater by an AVERAGE of six points. LAST Wednesday it was an average of TWO points. Since the election he’s lost 20 points among those over age 65; he’s lost 50 points among those under age 30. And he still raised the tariffs on the Chinese again – to 125 percent – because he’s mad at them. Because they of course are winning. Because the Chinese are not negotiating; the Chinese are as they have been for centuries, waiting for their opponents to DIE. The Chinese are apparently dumping our 10-Year Treasuries, driving up our debt. And they’ve opened trading partnership negotiations with the head of the European Union. And for all the claims about pausing the tariffs, a universal TEN percent tariff will be maintained. He didn't pause anything. He simply lost everything. B-Block (27:10) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Joe Manchin writes a book celebrating his middle of the road bona fides. The cover photo shows only the right half of his face, naturally. Marjorie Stupid Greene reveals she does not know what the word "Merch" means. And the president of the hockey writers' association, a bonehead named Frank Seravalli, not only defends Wayne Gretzky's attacks on Canada but his bringing FBI Director and Election Denier Kash Patel to the Ovechkin game - and calls CRITICISM of those decisions "political BS." Instead of, maybe, calling out Gretzky for BRINGING political BS into a moment of sports history. C-Block (49:15) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: She's still at it. Even as Trump's boasts of pausing the tariffs while INCREASING them on China and maintaining them on everybody else, Laura Ingraham is still carrying his water for him. It's time for me to review my dates with her last century, and the extraordinary revelation she made during the first of them about the then-nascent Republican-Media Industrial Complex.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We take you through the fascinating evolution of media and communication technologies. We begin by tracing the journey of written communication from ancient Sumerian pictographs to Gutenberg's printing press. The narrative explores how each technological breakthrough transformed our ability to share information, from industrial-era steam presses to the digital revolution sparked by the first email in 1971. Our conversation delves into the parallels between historical technological adaptations and current innovations. We examine the story of a 1950s typesetter transitioning to digital technologies, drawing insights into how professionals navigate significant technological shifts. The discussion introduces the concept of "Casting, not Hiring," emphasizing the importance of finding meaningful experiences and team dynamics in a rapidly changing world. We explore the transformation of media consumption and advertising in the digital age. Traditional media platforms give way to digital giants like Facebook and Google, reflecting broader changes in how we create, distribute, and consume content. The conversation touches on audience dynamics, using examples like Joe Rogan's media presence and Netflix's market evolution to illustrate these shifts. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS In this episode, I explore the historical journey of media and communication, tracing its evolution from ancient scripts to modern digital technologies. I discuss the pivotal role of Gutenberg's printing press in revolutionizing media distribution and how it set the stage for the widespread use of newspapers and books. We delve into the transition from traditional typesetting to digital processes, drawing parallels between past innovations and current advancements in AI. The conversation highlights the importance of curiosity and effective communication in embracing new technologies, emphasizing the idea of "casting" for meaningful experiences rather than traditional hiring. We examine media consumption trends and the impact of big data on advertising, noting the shift from traditional platforms to digital giants like Facebook and Google. Our discussion includes an analysis of the historical impact of communication technologies, referencing figures like Edison and their influence on modern entrepreneurship. The episode concludes with a focus on the value of appreciation and growth, sharing insights on how recognizing value and excellence can lead to professional and personal breakthroughs. Links: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com TRANSCRIPT (AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors) Dean: Mr Sullivan, and how are you? I am wonderful. Welcome to Cloudlandia, you are in the Chicago outpost. I am. Dan: I'm sitting in a very comfortable spot, noise-free. I just had. Have you ever done any IV where they pump you? Up with good stuff. Dean: I have yeah. Dan: Yeah, I just came from that, so I may be uncomfortably exuberant. Dean: Uncomfortably exuberant. That's a great word there, right there. Dan: Yeah, yeah, uncomfortable to you. Dean: That's the best. Dan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, we have a good service. Dean: The only thing I miss about Chicago comfortable to you, that's the best, yeah, so anyway, we have a good service. The only thing I miss about Chicago. Dan is our Sunday dinners. Oh the Sunday roundtable. Dan: Yeah, it's a bit more informal now so we don't have a big gap. It's not like the Last Supper. Dean: Right, exactly. Dan: We have Mike Canix coming over and Stephen Paltrow. Dean: Okay, there you go. Dan: They'll be on straight carnivore tonight. Dean: Okay, good, I like everything about that. Dan: Yeah, it's a little bit of snow on the ground and snowing right now, but it's nice. Dean: Oh, that's awesome. Well it's winter here. It's like cool. Yeah, I almost had to wear pants yesterday, dan, it was that cold. Dan: I had to wear pants yesterday, Dan. Dean: It was that cold I had to wear my full-weight hoodie. But yeah, but it's sunny, it's nice. Dan: I was just in the hot tub before we got on the call the Chinese intelligence, who are listening to this phone call. They're trying to visualize what you just said. Dean: Yes, Well, I had a great conversation with Charlotte this morning and something happened. That is the first time I've done it. I literally I talked her ear off. I reached my daily limit of talk interaction. We were talking for about an hour. There's a limit. Yes, I pay $20 a month and I guess there's a limit of how long you can engage by advanced voice tech. Dan: I'd give her a raise. I'd give her a raise. Dean: So they were on her behalf demanding a raise. I'd give her a raise. So they were on her behalf demanding a raise from $20 a month to $200 a month, and I could talk to her all I want. I still think it's worth it. It really is. When you think about if we go through the personification again, if you think about what you're getting for 200 I mean, just the conversation I had with her this morning was worth more than 200, yeah, so you want to know what we were talking about. What were you talking? about well, I am such a big fan of this, the big change uh book that I got for you. That was oh yeah, by stuff like that. So I really have been thinking that the whole game has really been an evolution of our, of words, pictures, sound and the combination of words, pictures and sounds in videos, right, and if we take the big three the words and pictures and sound, that I, you know, we went all the way back to the very beginning and I told her I said, listen, what I'd love to do is I want to trace the evolution of each of these individually. I want to start from the beginning of how we let's just take text, you know, as an example for words, and so she's taking me all the way back to the ancient Sumerians and the invention of kind of the very first kind of visual depiction of words and language, and then all the way up to the hieroglyphics of Egyptians and then into what would now be what we know as the alphabet, with the Romans and Latin, Romans and Latin, and the way that they were distributed was through tablets and they would post posters and things to get things out there. And so I'll pause there and I'll tell you that the lens that I wanted to look at it through for her is to go back and find, just trace, the beginnings of the capability of it, right, the capability of text. So that meant we had to have language and we had to have the alphabet, and we had to have the tools, the mechanism to recreate these on tablets. And then the distribution of them. How were they distributed? The consumption of them, how were they received and popularized? And then how were they capitalized? Who turned business opportunities into? What did this new capability turn into business-wise? So, looking, those four, tracking those four things all the way through history, from the ancient Sumerians, all the way through, and so when we got to, you know, from the time the Romans created the thing, the first kind of commercialization was the scribe industry. That became a thing where people were employed as scribes to you know, to write things, things, and then it came into the monks. We haven't gone deep dive in these yet, we're kind of going through the surface level of them. But the scribes, you know, were the first kind of commercializing and distribution of the of the things. And then when Gutenberg came along, that sort of popularized and made it even more able to distribute things and on the back of that became newspapers and pamphlets and books. So those were the three primary things for hundreds of years. Until the 1800s we had steam presses which were large, just kind of mechanized, sped up Gutenberg presses, and then the roller presses which allowed to have long, continuous streams of printing, which that really led to the modern newspaper. You know we had almost a hundred years until things were digitized where the entire platform was built on that plateau of things. And then it turned into newspapers magazines were the dominant things and mail. Those were the big distribution elements for a hundred years and then, once it got digitized, we turned into email. The first email apparently was sent in 1971 or something, but it took 25 years for that to popularize to the level that everybody had email and it was the primary thing and that led to PDFs and eBooks and distribution on the internet. We talked about bloggers because, if you remember, in the early days of the internet the heroes were bloggers. Those were the sort of personalities pre-social media you know. And then she even used the words that once it became democratized with social media, that things like twitter and and you know those were big things. But she talked about Arianna Huffington and Perez Hilton and Matt Drudge as the kind of first real mainstream capitalizers of this digital kind of went full steam into only digital, when all the mainstream print media was still kind of holding on and and resisting the migration of free news coming through you know um, and then we get to the point now where all of that is completely available. You know medium and sub stack and you know email newsletters taking off as a thing, and then AI bringing into a situation where now the machines can create and distribute the content. And it's funny just that level. I was on a Zoom with Joe Stolte the other day and you know, with even your newsletter, the AI-assisted newsletter you think about those as things, that learning smart, personalized text, media consumption as a really enhanced experience. So I found that really that was the first conversation that I'd had with that kind of context. I'm visualizing, I want to like visualize a timeline of these benchmarks. You know along the way, and realize how long the spaces were between when things actually catalyzed, you know yeah, long in comparison to what? Dan: long in comparison to the last. Dean: You know where we are now that long in comparison to what? Long in comparison to the last. You know where we are now. That long in comparison to that. There was no ability to print words on paper until 1442 or 1555 or whatever. I think it's 1550. Dan: Yeah, so 1455. Dean: Somewhere around there. Somewhere around there, yeah that literally did not change for 400 years till now. You know, in the last 25 years we've gotten to where we can distribute it globally instantly to everybody, and that we've also got machines now that can actually create the content itself and distribute on on your behalf and so I think that's our ability to create that stuff. Like I, I wonder how long and how many hours of research power it would have taken to get this level of what I gained from my conversation with Charlotte. Dan: Well, you would have gotten a doctorate, you would have gotten a PhD. Dean: Yeah, and it would have taken years to study all of that and to go back and find it all you know, but it was very, I found it very all to serve this idea that I think, in all of those digitized four corners, that we have reached a, a pinnacle, where we're faced now going forward with a plateau that really it's going to be about the creative use of. No, I think that's things. Dan: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, just a little addition to charl's work the conversation that you had with Charlotte. One of the reasons why the Greeks have such influence Greek thinking on the world, you know they essentially created history. That was. Dean: You know that was. Dan: Thucydides. And you know, herodotus and Thucydides were two Greek historians and basically their histories basically really formed the whole ancient world. And then you had poetry. Homer was the great poet and. Plato and Aristotle and many others, many other Greek philosophers, but Greece was the first country that developed a really first-class. The Greeks developed a first-class alphabet. I think it may have pretty close to we have 26 letters. I'm not quite sure what they had, but it wasn't. I don't know if it was fewer or more, but maybe only by two or three letters they had, but it was really the alphabet. That is the breakthrough. For example, we have two artists that work for us. They're from Hong Kong and growing up they learned all the. They learned all the ideograms that are in Chinese you know, and you know, and it's years and years and years of study where the alphabet you know. A reasonably intelligent first grader, or maybe even earlier these days, but a six-year-old, can basically grasp the alphabet and be using that skillfully, you know, within their first year of grade school, within first grade and that's what the alphabet did and that's why, you know, the literacy really came in. But even then, when you know in Gutenberg today there weren't that many literate people, you know who could actually? Read, you know. So it wasn't so much the technology Well, the technology was crucial, but it wasn't so much why things. It's just that it took 400 years for the entire population to become literate. You know, and you know to have formal education to empower literacy. That took a long time because people were working manually and they didn't have need for reading. They had to become good at things. Fixated now for about the last eight months on british navy historical novel assault taking place around 1800 to 1800. You know, and you know the majority of sailors on the ships didn't read they, they didn't have right reading, you know but, they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they yeah, you know, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very handy. They had a lot of hand skills and everything else, but it's been only recently that your progress in the world really depended upon reading. Dean: Literacy yeah. Dan: Yeah, you had to go forward. I remember that's one story. Just the Greeks. The Greeks that became very powerful, their philosophy still. I mean, every day in universities, or probably universities, there's discussions about what Plato said about this, what Aristotle said about this. So that's still. You know, the power of that over generations is really quite extraordinary. The other thing, if I want to add to that, my sister, who's 89, the man she married, who died about 10 years ago. When I met him, this was in the 1950s, he was a typesetter for a major newspaper in the. Cleveland area and I would go down there and you'd see he put together a whole page of it and you know, and he had to do it backwards, he had to put all the letters. He had this vast, you know, he had these, they were like wooden shelves that had, you know, were divided into, you know, into 28 different, 26 different spots, and he would just pick up the letters and put them. But he made the complete changeover, starting around the 1970s, 1975. He made a complete changeover to becoming digital. It started becoming digital even in the 1970s. And then he just kept progressing, layer after layer, until he was the production manager for the entire network of about five you know five municipal newspapers and everything like that yeah so his history sort of matches what you and charlotte talked about. Dean: Yeah, and I found that really an interesting like multi-track way to look at it, as the technology and then the capability that created for the creation of things, the distribution of those things and the capitalizing on those things, because that's kind of like the cascading layers that happen. And I think if we look at where we are with AI right now, we're at that level where it was available below the surface until two years ago and then now it's sort of widely available as a capability. But all the things that are going to really come, I wouldn't say it's widely available used right now. I heard somebody talk about that. If we think about, like, if ultimately AI is just going to be internet, you know it's like if we think about what internet was in 1996, that's becoming. It's almost like chat. Gpt is the AOL of of what made the internet popular, right as everybody got on. AOL and had access to email and kind of gated browsing. Dan: Yeah, the interesting thing that you know if I just take your example from this morning, it's because you're a good prompter that whole thing happened. The whole essential skill. You know, if you take all the technology, that's a technology, charlotte's technology, and that's there, it's waiting there. It's waiting there to be used. But unless you have a good prompter it won't produce what you produced this morning. Dean: I agree with you 100, and that's why it's all in the prompt prompting. Dan: That means knowing what you want. It's actually a visualization skill because, you visualize something you know like in, not exactly because you, how you did it is unique, but my sense is that you had a question in mind, or you were just curious about something, and then you were able to put it into words. This was strictly spoken, was it? Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, so you didn't type anything in for this. Dean: No, I did not. Dan: Because it's strictly on an audible level, right, exactly, yeah. Anything in for this? No, I did not. Strictly on an audible level, right, exactly yeah. But here's the thing that no one else in the world did what you did this morning, and the reason is because you were just interested in it you were just interested in something and you know, and it was in conversation form, so now tell me about this. Now tell me about this yeah well, what she? Dean: was saying was guiding my things. You know what? It's very similar, dan. It's like if we were to sit down at a piano and look at the piano. There's 88 keys of possibility there. Yeah, unless you know how to prompt the keys to make the noises. Dan: Do you know what I mean? It's just noise. Dean: I think that's really what it is, and I think that chat interactions or AI interactions are going to be the piano lessons of today. Right Like for kids to talk about essential skills. Dan: And the outcome is going to be the music and the outcome is going to be the music. Dean: That's right. That's right, yeah. Dan: I've done about. You know, with perplexity, probably last week I've done about 25, you know where I one. That was really interesting because it was related to the book that I'm writing Casting, not Hiring with Jeff and I was saying, you know, the big thing is that we're only talking, the book is only for a particular type of person, you know. Because, you know he has a wide range of people that he's giving them our small copy of Casting, not Hiring you know, our 60-page book and then he's interviewing them if they're willing to read it, which takes about an hour. If they're willing to read it, then he wants to know what they think about it. You know, but there's, like corporate people that he's talking to, there's academic people that he's talking to, and I said, you know, jeff, academic people that he's talking to. And I said, you know, jeff, there's only one reader for this. That's a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to grow. Who wants to grow, wants to make the growth experience really meaningful and purposeful for himself or herself, but also for the team members, for the members of the company that the entrepreneur owns. And so he said, yeah, well you know how big is that market and I said, well, let's. So I did a search and I had my question. I just looked at it just before I came on the call. I said I want you to, of all the companies incorporated in the United States, the total number of incorporated companies in the United States in 2023, because usually their number. You know that you go back about a year before the present year that you're just sending, because there's an enormous amount of data for that. Dean: And. Dan: I said what percentage of all the incorporated companies in the United States are privately owned? And it turns out it's 99% and 33 million, 33 million incorporated companies. And and then I put in another prompt okay, size of companies 1 to 10, 10 to 50, 50 to 150, 150 to 500, above 500, and 74 percent of them are 74 percent or one to ten. And then, and I said we're really talking basically about companies up to about 150 that's the reader. They have companies that are 150 and everything like that, and it's really interesting that this is the only person they said but there's this huge market of other. You know, jeff didn't say this, but other people said there's. So this should be a book for everybody. And I said, if it's a book for everybody, it's not interesting to anybody that's true, exactly. Dean: Well, that's so. Those numbers have kind of um grown, because I've always heard about you know know, 28 million, but I guess the most recent that would make sense 33 million. Dan: And it would be bigger today because we're you know, we're a full year and into the first month, so it would be bigger. The incorporations go on. And the other thing about what you're saying is you can be so specific, Like you can really put down all the interesting things about the reader you know, about the reader that you're looking for and you know so, while the capability that you're talking and I have some arguments with democratize you know the concept of democratize because there's a certain sense people are going to have equal capabilities. I think just the opposite is going to happen. The range from people with a little ability or no ability to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider. And the reason is exactly what I just said to you that you're the only one in the world who's ever gotten that information laid out and has it back in a very short period of time. And it's strictly because what Dean Jackson was looking for. Dean: Yeah, that's exactly right. I was very curious about it. And I think that it's something. I think it's a unique perspective, especially when we overlay the other things. We only got we were talking about then sound. We only got we were talking about then sound. And it wasn't until the 1800s late 1800s that Edison created the phonograph, that we were able to capture sound and the evolution of that. Then it took another by 25 years later. It was the beginning of radio. That now we have the ability to capture sound, the ability to distribute sound through the radio, that it ushered in this golden era of radio as the distribution medium. And she talked about NBC and CBS and ABC, you know, as the monopolistic NBC was really the big giant. Dan: Yeah, they were the giant. Dean: I mean, they were the powerhouse of radio 1995 was the, or 1925, I think was when they were founded, and then the others were by 1927. Yeah, but that took off the radios in every household and all of that, you know, laid the. That created the mass audience yeah really right, yeah, there was. Dan: Uh. Really, there's a writer named tim wu wu and he's just. He's written about five books on just the extraordinary impact of the communication technologies, starting when you said sort of you know. First the telegraph and the telegraph with sound. That's really the telephones you have. Bell is in there. So, Morris and Bell and Edison. You have the combination. And then Edison also created the movie. I mean, he was the real. I mean, he's the person who created it that became famous for it yes. There were lots of people. He's famous for the light bulb, he's the person who became famous for the light bulb, but there were at least five or six working light bulbs before Edison. It's just that Edison was the first what I would call the modern entrepreneur, technology entrepreneur, and he really grasped where all this stuff was going, more than any other single innovator entrepreneur, and he understood the stock market and he understood how to raise funds and he understood how to market. Dean: You know, yeah, yeah. Dan: So you know I'm getting a lot of patents, so we got two more on Friday, so we're up to 54 patents now. And I was talking in the breakout group on Friday, I said we're really piling up the patents, and so somebody said well, how many are you going for? And I said I can tell you exactly I'm going for 1,068. Tell you exactly, I'm going for 1,068. Uh-huh, 1,068. I mean, where's that number come from? I said Edison had 1,067. Dean: Oh, there you go. Dan: That's the best, and I grew up two miles from his birthplace. So the farm that I grew up two miles away is where Edison was born, milan, ohio, and very famous, I mean he's just a roaring, big, major human being, historic human being in that area, and he's one of my five historic role models. I've got Euclid, I've got Shakespeare, I've got Bach, I've got Hamilton, james Madison and Edison. And I said Edison put all the pieces together that created the modern technological world. Dean: It's true, isn't it? Yeah? Dan: He's the first person to create a formal R&D lab. He had in Menlo, new Jersey. He created his famous lab and he had technicians and scientists and engineers there. And then you know, and then he understood the stock market and he understood you know big systems, how you put big electric systems together and everything like that, you know. The thing is that that's a history of entrepreneurism, the thing that you put together with Charlotte this morning. Dean: Yeah, that was my intention, Because it's always some individual who just decides to do something more with it. Dan: They kind of apply your VCR formula to something that already exists and they say what's the vision? Well, you have to have the vision, but you have to see where it hasn't gone to yet. I mean, that's basically what you have to. Vision is seeing where things have not yet gone to, but could, if you organize them differently? You take the capabilities and combined it with reach, then you. That's what the future really is. Vcr. Dean: Yeah, you know I've had a nice VCR advancement, chad, and I have been talking a lot about it. Chad Jenkins, chad Jenkins, I've been talking about the VCR formula and so I had some distinctions around vision, like what is vision? And I realized there's a progression that it takes like from an idea or a prediction. Is the first level that you got a vision that, hey, I think this could work, and then the next level of it is that you've got proof that idea does work and that opens the gate for you to create a protocol for predictable repeating of that result and that opens the gateway to a patent, to protection of that. Dan: So you predict, you prove you protocol or package and protect the 4P progression. I thought, know you know what. You know what it is. It's the ability to see, yeah, let's say, a reasonable time frame, not 100 years from now, but let's say 10 years from now. Yeah, that, if this were available, a lot of people would like to have this. Dean: Yes. Dan: That's basically what a vision is. That's what a vision is. If it was available to them and it was easy to use. They don't have to change their habits too much to use it 10 years from now and I think a lot of people not only would they love using it, they'd be willing to pay for it. Dean: Of course, yes, I agree, yeah, and so I thought that was very, that was a nice, I mean every drug dealer in the world knows how to do that. Dan: Yeah, I mean, you think about everything started out with an idea. I bet, if we did this, that would be oh, yeah, yeah, I bet, prove it. I bet, yeah, you know, steve jobs with itunes. He said yeah I got interested in music. But when I go into a store, you know, uh, and, and I hear a song I really like, or I hear a musician I really like, and I hear them singing a song, or her I, you know, I'd like to be able to just get that song, but they make it really difficult. You got to buy 11 other songs, or 10 other songs to get the one song you know and you know, and, and I'd like to have it. You know, I'd like to have it on a small machine. I don't want to. You know, I don't want to have a big record that comes home and then I have to have a lot of equipment and everything to put on it. And you know, and you know, I'd like to, I'd like to think of. You know, I'd like to have a technology. Dean: Yeah, I'd like to think of. Dan: You know, I'd like to have a technology Getting a call from yeah, I'd like to have a technology that, the moment I hear the sun, five minutes later I can have it. You know, Mm-hmm. Yes, I mean it's so I think it's imagine, there's a capability multiplied by imagination. You know that's kind of like what vision is. Dean: But you know, the interesting thing is that was true 25 years ago when Steve invented the iPod and the iTunes environment, but then over the next 25 years's taken another evolution. Right, it was still the ownership. Instead of owning the physical thing, you own the digital version of it and you download it onto your device. But now, when it got to the cloud and all the songs are available and you don't need to download them, it's like spotify said listen, we own all the songs, we got access to all of them. Why don't you just pay us nine dollars a month and you can have all the songs and just stream them? Yeah, and, and that's where we're at now, it's like. But I think that the next level, the thing we're at now with ai, is that ai is actually, specifically, that it's reached the generative ai point where it it can actually create songs. That's what's happening now. Dan: Yeah, it's clearly a productive capability that you're exploring here we're having a conversation about. When did you have this conversation with Charlotte? Just this morning, when I woke up this morning, Okay, this entire conversation that we're having would not have happened unless um no, you did what you did for an hour this morning right, that's exactly right, yeah now let me ask you a question here, and it goes to another technological realm and it's big data. It's big data, and so I keep reading about big data. You know big data, and I said and it's accumulating all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. I remember having a conversation this was probably 10 years ago and the Chinese were developing what was called an intelligence capability, where they could gather information about what all the people in China were doing at any given moment. Okay, and then they could make predictions based on that. Nice, if wait a minute, so you got one point, you got 1.3 billion. Dean: You know however many Chinese there are they're being listened to, you know, and however many Chinese there are. Dan: They're being listened to, you know, and they're. Whatever they're doing, that's being read. And I said how many Chinese do you have to pay attention to what all the other Chinese are doing? I said they must have about 6 million people who, day in, day out, are just listening and they're accumulating massive amounts of data. Okay, and then I say, then what happens? Dean: then what? Dan: yeah, then what? Okay? Okay, uh, and I said so, what do you do with all this data? You know, I said it's overwhelming the amount of data you have. So what's happening with it and what it tells me is that there's no way for you to really comprehend what all that data means. Dean: Yeah, I agree. I mean there's no, but you can argue that's kind of what Facebook does with the algorithm right In a way, of being able to predict what you're likely to click on next. Dan: That's how they're at it, Well that I understand, but that's on the level, that's a commercial level, because really they're selling ads. I mean what Google and Facebook actually are high-level advertising platforms. Dean: Yes, that's exactly what they are. I mean, that's what they are. Dan: Yeah, I mean, and once you've said that, there isn't much else to say. Dean: Once you've said that, it's over. Dan: Well it is what it is and it's a bias, obviously, because it's just, you know it's, if they're spending money, not ads for Google and spending ads for Facebook, they aren't spending money for ads in the New York Times, or yeah. So all the newspaper advertising has gone away and all the magazine advertising has gone away, and probably all the advertising on television, because the number of people watching television is actually going down, you know. Well the actual, I mean if you're following social media or you're you know, you're on the, you're on your computer and you're looking at things. Well, your attention can only be on one thing at a time and if I'm spending you know I used to spend I would say when I stopped in 2018, I stopped watching television together, but I calculated that it was probably I was probably watching anywhere between 15 and 20 hours a week times 52. Okay, so that's. You know that's 800 to a thousand hours and I'm not doing that anymore, so for I got a thousand hours back. He's. I would say 800. I just evened it off at 800. I'd say I've just got 800 hours back. It's just gone into being more productive. I'm incredibly more productive in creating stuff. I have you as a witness. You know that it's going up in numbers. The amount of stuff that I'm creating. it's going up in numbers the amount of stuff that I'm creating. So you know, here's the thing. I don't think I'm unusual in this. I don't think I'm unique on the planet in doing what this is. I just think people are moving their attention away from something where everybody was paying attention to it and now fewer and fewer people are paying attention to it. It's like Joe Rogan, you know, I mean. Dean: Joe Rogan. Dan: The people are watching Joe Rogan. Who did they stop watching or listening and watching to? So that's the big thing. Where are people? Dean: going with their attention. Yeah, and you know I just heard a podcast talking about that. Streaming, you know, like from television. It's gone away from kind of linear television where you know they show one thing on one channel at one time and you have to be there at 8 pm to watch that one show. Watch that one show and you watch it along with ads, right? If you want to watch this happening now, you watch it and you consume the ads. Well, when streaming became available, you know, if you look at that convenience, that it was so much more dignified that we can watch whatever we want to watch when we want to watch it, and there's a price for that. Everybody has migrated towards the, towards that, and now the interesting thing is that the streamers are Wall Street redefined. How they value the, you know, monetize or attribute value to what they have. Because for a long time, netflix was rewarded for the ever-growing number of subscribers. Right, like getting more and more subscribers. It didn't matter to Wall Street that they were profitable or unprofitable. The only thing that they staked the value in was the growing number of subscribers, the growing number of subscribers, so for. So netflix would spend billions and billions of dollars on attracting creative right that would. That would get people to watch the. You know, come to netflix to see, because they only had original programs you could only get on Netflix and they overpaid for all of that content. So now. Wall Street a few years ago decided that hey, wait a minute. These guys should be like any other business. Dan: They should be profitable and so it always comes down to that, doesn't it it really? Dean: does so they said you know, now Netflix has to cut corners, pinch pennies. They have to make things. They can't afford to spend as much to make the content. If you look at the line items of where they were spending the most amount of money, it's acquiring yeah, content to do uh so that's where the peak era of who's the guy? Dan: who's the guy who runs Netflix? Dean: Sarandon Tom. Dan: Sarandon. Dean: I think, but in any event they. Dan: No, I was just wondering if he's one of the people who gave $50 million to Kamala Harris. Dean: Oh, yeah, probably. Dan: Yeah, I said he obviously doesn't know anything about returning or getting a profit All right, exactly. Dean: So the other, the thing that we're finding. Dan: What's Reid Hoffman? He's LinkedIn. Dean: Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, linkedin. Yeah yeah, yeah. Dan: But those people are all not giving a million dollars to Trump for his inauguration. Dean: The thing that streamers have landed on now is that they have free models you can watch, but now they have ad supported things where you can watch anything you want, but they insert ads that are unskippable ads and they're finding that is more profitable than the subscriber the subscription revenue. That on a per user kind of thing. They make more money on people watching and viewing the unskippable ads. So it's kind of funny that everything has come full circle back to basic cable, where you are. They're all bundling now so you can get because people were resisting that you had to buy netflix and you had to buy hbo and paramount and hulu and all these things, nbc and cbs and all of it so now they're bundling them together for one subscription and having ad supported views. So the big winner out of all of it is that we've won the right to, and have demanded the right to, watch whatever we want to watch, whenever we want to watch it. We're not going to sit on, you know. We're not going to wait until 9pm to watch this and wait a week to get the next episode. We want all the episodes available right now and we'll choose when and what we watch and for how long we watch it. If I want to watch the whole series in one weekend, that's up to me yeah, you know it's an interesting thing. Dan: Uh, here and this relates to the whole story you told the whole historical story, going back to the sumerians. But one of the things I really notice is that the moment a new capability appears and you can utilize it, it's no longer wondrous. You've just included that in your existing capability, I can now do this. You've just included that in your existing capability. I can now do this. It's really interesting the moment you get a capability that just goes into the stack of capabilities that you already have. So it's not really a breakthrough because it doesn't feel any more unusual than all the capabilities you had. So today this is kind of a you know you were. You started the podcast here saying I just did something that I've never done before with Charlotte you know, and then people said who's this Charlotte that Dean talks about? Well, dean actually created this capability called Charlotte. He actually did that, but now it's just normal. Now, what else can Charlotte do? Dean: I'm going to do this. Dan: But a week from now you may have done this four or five times or four or five more things. These sort of deep searches, that you did, and now it just becomes part of Dean Jackson's talent and capability stack. Dean: Yeah, yeah, in the of the VCR formula, the sea of capability, that all this capability starts out with one person who has taken it's almost like Always starts with one person. Yeah, and it's a curiosity. Dan: It's a curiosity thing You're alert to. You know, in our four by four casting tool, the first quadrant is called performance, how you show up. And I've got four qualities. One you're alert. Second thing is that you're curious. Number three is that you're responsive. And number four you're resourceful. And I would say you just knocked off all four this morning with this search, this conversation with Charlotte. You just knocked off all four. That's the reason why you're doing it. So the key to the future in profiting, but utilizing and benefiting from this technology is you have? To be alert, you have to be curious, you have to be, you have to be responsive and you have to be resourceful. Dean: Yeah, that's great. Dan: Yeah, yeah, we're living, and then you get to do and then you get to do things faster, easier, cheaper and bigger yes, this is great, dan. Dean: We're really living in the best of times we're just talking, dean yeah, we're already in it, but it's endless. Dan: We're into an area of just extraordinary, idiosyncratic creativity. Dean: This is it that now we have. Everyone has access to every capability that you could. Dan: No, they only have access to the capability that they're looking for. Oh, boy yes. No, they don't have access to every capability. They just have access to the next capability they're looking for. Dean: Right, this is mind-blowing. Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great, but it is similar. This was better than the IV. Dean: Your exuberance is showing. Dan: Or maybe before you have an hour conversation with Dean, you get an IV. Dean: Yeah, exactly, you have an hour conversation with dean, you get an iv. Yeah, exactly, did you imagine it's a triple play of an iv yeah, with a conversation with charlotte, followed by a conversation with dan sullivan. Dan: I will try the iv next week yeah, and then eat a great piece of steak. And then eat a great piece of steak that's right Followed by a Rib eye is great. I think rib eye is my favorite. Dean: Yeah, me too by far yeah. Dan: Well. I love it yeah, this is great conversation. Dean: I agree, Dan this is Things are heating up. I'm going to upgrade Charlotte and give her a raise 10X, a 10 times raise. Dan: Tell her about that. You know talk to her and say you know, not only do I think you're more valuable, but Catchy TP thinks you're more valuable, Charlotte, and we're raising your monthly to 200. Dean: That's right. A 10 times raise. Dan: Yeah, who gets that? Mm-hmm? Okay, and you think about it. Dean: It's just so valuable. All right, dan, thanks, bye, bye.

Tune in here for this Tuesday edition of the Vince Coakley Radio Program! Vince starts the show talking about today's confirmation hearing of President-elect Donald Trump's selection for Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, a supposed imminent cease-fire in Israel-Hamas war, the $16.3 million Charlotte Rail Trail bridge proposal approved by Charlotte City Council, China penetrates critical US infrastructure, and the Washington Post says that President-elect Trump would have been convicted of election interference in the 2020 Presidential election if he had not won the 2024 Presidential election. In the second half of the show Vince talks about the book The Creature from Jekyll Island, a Babylon Bee post about DEI K9's in the military, Matt Drudge headlines about the California wildfires, a Fox News about how President Biden became a different person as he aged in office, a UK Daily Mail article on United Healthcare denying patient care, airport ratings, and a man removed from plane for overuse of bathroom.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tune in here for this Monday edition of the Vince Coakley Radio Program! Vince starts the show talking about Concert for Carolina, government is not the church, state disaster relief approved,  Vince goes to a Halloween party, Kamala Harris hackled at church, Matt Drudge is anti-Trump, Donald Trump rally at Madison Square Garden in New York City last night, comments from Stacy Abrams on misogyny with Cartier family. In the second half of the show Vince talks about manhood being under attack in the US and that there's no such thing as toxic masculinity, Kamala Harris saying that Donald Trump is divisive, Chris Cuomo comments on Kamala Harris, Cartier family on Gutfeld, and Trump's comments about the "enemy within."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Cat Eats Fox” was Matt Drudge's headline after Kamala Harris' much touted “interview” with Fox News anchor Bret Baier. It wasn't really an interview. He whined about her coming in 15 minutes late for a pre-taped interview and then barely let her answer a question before interrupting her, talking over her, and generally just playing to his Fox News choir, including President Donald Trump, who roundly cheered his performance afterward. Poor Bret; he used to be a real journalist back in the days when Roger Ailes, my friend and former client, ran the ship. Now real journalists, like real journalism,...Article Link

Tune in here for this Monday edition of the Vince Coakley Radio Program! Vince starts the show talking about lack of faith in mainstream news media and their so-called fact checking, JD Vance vs. Martha Radtz, and former President Barack Hussein Obama rips black men who might choose to vote for former President Donald Trump over Kamala Harris. In the second half of the show Vince talks about  CJ Pearson comments on Kamala Harris, audio of a black woman responding to Obama's comments about black men who might not vote for Kamala, standing with God has nothing to do with anyone else but on a very special Monday Meditation, Matt Drudge says election is a dead heat, and Kamala Harris releases her medical records, makes fun of Trump for not releasing his.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

01:00 NYT: Monkeypox and the Gay Community, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/briefing/monkeypox-gay-community.html 08:00 WEHT to Matt Drudge? 12:20 What Tucker Carlson did to get blacklisted by Matt Drudge, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finding-matt-drudge/id1726181351 18:00 Why Drudge turned against Trump, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-drudge-turned-on-trump/id1726181351?i=1000647362894 30:00 Elites vs regular Americans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7tJPnS8vJE 32:00 We don't live in a media-run state contra to NS Lyons, https://substack.com/@theupheaval/note/c-65320115 37:30 Climate change 46:00 Did women in academia cause wokeness?, https://www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/did-women-in-academia-cause-wokeness?r=7bj1z 1:00:30 Exposing Channel 7's secrets | Four Corners, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2y5VbC4WCo 1:05:00 The history of ugly laws, https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/history-of-ugly-laws-america-disability

What Happened to Matt Drudge? - with Meg and ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Pod Crashing episode 312 with Chris Moody from the podcast Finding Matt Drudge In the world of media and journalism, few names hold as much sway and mystique as Matt Drudge, the elusive force behind The Drudge Report. Despite being perhaps the most important media influencer of the last generation, very little is known about him. While his Drudge Report acts as the unofficial assignment editor for major newspapers and cable news networks, Drudge is rarely seen. In the last decade, he has gone from being the hero of the Trump right for his support of Donald Trump in 2016, to traitor to the Trump movement for turning against Trump in the lead up to the 2020 election. Some question whether Drudge even runs his own site anymore. It would be useful to ask him, but few know where to find him. The last public interview he gave was almost a decade ago.   Episodes here:   https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-finding-matt-drudge-143594804/ 

Pod Crashing episode 312 with Chris Moody from the podcast Finding Matt Drudge In the world of media and journalism, few names hold as much sway and mystique as Matt Drudge, the elusive force behind The Drudge Report. Despite being perhaps the most important media influencer of the last generation, very little is known about him. While his Drudge Report acts as the unofficial assignment editor for major newspapers and cable news networks, Drudge is rarely seen. In the last decade, he has gone from being the hero of the Trump right for his support of Donald Trump in 2016, to traitor to the Trump movement for turning against Trump in the lead up to the 2020 election. Some question whether Drudge even runs his own site anymore. It would be useful to ask him, but few know where to find him. The last public interview he gave was almost a decade ago.   Episodes here:   https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-finding-matt-drudge-143594804/ Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-unplugged-totally-uncut--994165/support.

Matt Drudge started his website called "The Drudge Report" in 1995. In those early days, he had just 1,000 e-mail subscribers. Within a short time, that number jumped to hundreds of thousands. Until the mid-2000s, Mr. Drudge was very visible, appearing on television and hosting his own radio show. After that, without notice, he disappeared from public view. Chris Moody, our guest this week, just finished hosting an 8-part podcast series called "Finding Matt Drudge." We asked him to tell us what he found. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Drudge started his website called "The Drudge Report" in 1995. In those early days, he had just 1,000 e-mail subscribers. Within a short time that number jumped to hundreds of thousands. Up until the mid-2000s, Mr. Drudge was very visible, appearing on television and hosting his own radio show. After that, without notice, he disappeared from public view. Chris Moody, our guest this week, just finished hosting an 8-part podcast series called "Finding Matt Drudge." We asked him to tell us what he found. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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America Emboldened with Greg Boulden – Claims that Trump was calling for a bloodbath if he lost the election were projected by Nancy Pelosi, and newspapers sensationalized the story to create traffic. Conservative media was aligned in attacking the former president, as Matt Drudge ran the headline as the marquee on the infamous “Drudge Report.” The irony of Matt Drudge continuing to “pick the winning candidate” continues to linger from...

America Emboldened with Greg Boulden – Claims that Trump was calling for a bloodbath if he lost the election were projected by Nancy Pelosi, and newspapers sensationalized the story to create traffic. Conservative media was aligned in attacking the former president, as Matt Drudge ran the headline as the marquee on the infamous “Drudge Report.” The irony of Matt Drudge continuing to “pick the winning candidate” continues to linger from...

In the new podcast series, Finding Matt Drudge, Chris Moody wants to know two things: why Matt Drudge dropped out of sight and why he turned on Donald Trump.If it is still really Drudge running the DrudgeReport now, and not some paid lackey to push links, then it would not be unreasonable to think he's hanging on for one last job, to do what Joe Biden, the Lincoln Project, Liz and Dick Cheney, Mike Pence and every other Never Trumper has been trying to do for the last eight years: stop Trump for good.I got online right around the same time Drudge did. For early internet pioneers, Drudge was our hero who forged a path to success by removing the middleman. Just start a website, and people will come. I was living in a guest house in Van Nuys, California, with a baby on my hip, a 1200 baud modem, and a really good idea.I launched my site, Oscarwatch.com in 1999, two years after the DrudgeReport launched. The Academy sued me in 2006, and I had to change it to AwardsDaily.com. But that was a sign I'd found success, five years after I started. For Drudge it happened instantly and almost overnight. He broke the story of the century: Bill Clinton was having a sexual affair with his intern, Monica Lewinsky.We all wanted to be Drudge. His success told us we could follow in his footsteps and maybe get that big overnight. It didn't quite work out that way for most of us. There was only ever going to be one Matt Drudge. But everyone who came after him bit off a little piece of the Drudge legacy.We would crash the party and upstage traditional media, which was still scrambling to keep up with the fast-moving internet. Drudge was suddenly a reliable source for news. People like me pretended to be journalists, but because we had websites that reported the news, we became reliable sources, too. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit sashastone.substack.com/subscribe

In the world of media and journalism, few names hold as much sway and mystique as Matt Drudge, the elusive force behind The Drudge Report. Despite being perhaps the most important media influencer of the last generation, very little is known about him. While his Drudge Report acts as the unofficial assignment editor for major newspapers and cable news networks, Drudge is rarely seen. In the last decade, he has gone from being the hero of the Trump right for his support of Donald Trump in 2016, to traitor to the Trump movement for turning against Trump in the lead up to the 2020 election. Some question whether Drudge even runs his own site anymore. It would be useful to ask him, but few know where to find him. The last public interview he gave was almost a decade ago. Episodes here: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-finding-matt-drudge-143594804/  Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-like-it-s-live--4113802/support.

Host Chris Moody provides breaking news on Matt Drudge finally responding to the podcast. Moody and podcast creator Jamie Weinstein travel to Las Vegas to search for Drudge in a city he's spent a lot of time in over the years.  If you have a great Matt Drudge story, remember to call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Curtis discusses what happened to journalist Matt Drudge and mysterious deaths occurring to people close to the Clinton family. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Curtis Sliwa, founder of the Guardian Angels, takes over The Other Side of Midnight. He starts the show joined by WABC host Dominic Carter to discuss Biden's State of the Union. He also discusses Sid Rosenberg being held up in D.C. because of his comments at the address. In the next hour, Curtis discusses what happened to journalist Matt Drudge and mysterious deaths occurring to people close to the Clinton family. Curtis starts the third hour talking about public figures trying to evade taxes. He also talks about great former radio personalities like Lynn Samuels and Walter Winchell. Curtis wraps up the show talking about He is also joined by Noam Laden for News You Can Use. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Host Chris Moody speaks to Joseph Curl, who edited the Drudge Report from 2010 to 2014 and was Drudge's first full time employee. In an extensive interview, Curl reveals never before told details about The Drudge Report and his interactions with Matt Drudge.  If you have a great Matt Drudge story, remember to call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Megyn Kelly is joined by attorneys Dave Aronberg and Mike Davis to discuss the major 9-0 ruling for former President Donald Trump at the Supreme Court and the secondary 5-4 ruling that helps him, why the lack of insurrection charges against Trump is crucial to Supreme Court ruling, the lack of evidence about insurrection on January 6, the media freakout after getting it so wrong, Judge Chutkan could hold Trump's D.C. trial during October 2024 or even after the election in November, whether these criminal trials are election interference, what might happen if Trump is jailed after elected but before inauguration, the millions Trump will have to pay after the New York trials, new witnesses alleging they knew about Fani Willis and Nathan Wade's affair, Terrance Bradley seemingly talking to a lot of people about personal issues, and more. Then Chris Moody and Jamie Weinstein, host and producer of the "Finding Matt Drudge" podcast, join to discuss the mystery of where Matt Drudge is now, why Drudge turned on Trump in 2020 after being a supporter in 2016, whether it was political or personal, how the Monica Lewinsky-Bill Clinton scandal made Matt Drudge, the way that story changed the media forever, Lewinsky back in the news now, how Megyn met Drudge, and more.Aronberg- https://www.youtube.com/@DaveAronbergFLDavis- https://article3project.org/Moody & Weinstein- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finding-matt-drudge Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Host Chris Moody travels to Florida to get to the bottom of why Matt Drudge turned against Donald Trump in the run up to the 2020 election after supporting him in 2016. Moody talks to former White House officials to understand what happened and tracks down the last journalist to speak with Drudge on the record. Listeners will also get an inside description of Drudge's Florida compound, which is currently for sale. If you have a great Matt Drudge story, remember to call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! Why Drudge Turned on TrumpSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Chris Moody explores Matt Drudge's increasing recluviness, his site's flirtation with conspiracy and how he became as relevant as ever when Donald Trump entered the 2016 presidential race. Moody interviews Trump campaign operatives about Drudge's relationship with Trump -- and how Drudge played a role in Trump's 2016 electoral success. If you have a great Matt Drudge story, remember to call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Chris Moody talks to Democratic campaign operatives about how they viewed the Drudge Report -- and how they tried to influence coverage on the site. Moody speaks extensively to Tracy Sefl, an adviser to Hillary Clinton's first presidential campaign, who was probably closer to Drudge than almost any Republican at the time. If you have a great Matt Drudge story, remember to call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chris Moody, host of Finding Matt Drudge joins Sean to unpack the impact The Drudge Report had in the late 90s - early 2000's. Matt Drudge came to prominence in journalism when he dropped the Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky scandal story before Newsweek. He moved the needle in journalism in a time before twitter was the fastest way to deliver information. His news aggregate site was at the forefront of Conservative voices with reporters rewarded for appearing on the site and clamoring for an opportunity to get a drudge link... then he just disappeared. Featuring: Chris Moody | Host of Finding Matt Drudge Former CNN, VICE, Daily Caller and Yahoo Correspondent Listen to Sean's episode here

Jamie is joined by Chris Moody, a journalism professor at Appalachian State University and the host of the Finding Matt Drudge podcast, to explore the career of Matt Drudge and the imprint he's left on American news media. The Agenda: —The birth of a rumor —Who runs the Drudge Report? —Drudge's betrayal of Trump —Getting that Drudge link —The vanishing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Drudge Report has played an outsized role in political media for decades. Journalists wanted their stories linked on the site--they still do--and they went to great lengths to get it. Host Chris Moody travels to Washington, D.C. to talk to prominent journalists and analysts to get a better understanding of the power and influence of Drudge in shaping the media narrative. If you have a great Matt Drudge story, call the hotline at 301-200-2414 and tell Chris about it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Chris Moody takes a trip back to the 90s in search for the origins of The Drudge Report. Matt Drudge rises from Internet obscurity to national fame with a sensational scoop about President Bill Clinton and a White House intern. He becomes a star overnight, but this fedora-wearing newcomer remains an enigma to the media elite.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

SEASON 2 EPISODE 112: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:44) SPECIAL COMMENT: Yes. I think that's the lead story. And I don't even LIKE Jon Stewart. But it's time to recognize that we are at war. It is, for now at least, a war being conducted almost entirely inside the media world, and here's a prayer that it stays contained within those walls. But if it is, the forces of democracy need all the fighters we can find. And Stewart - who has been mad at me since 2003 and once accused me of "stealing his act" - going back to host The Daily Show at least once a week and be the Executive Producer all the other days, at least through the election, is welcomed news. For that matter, I hope it inspires Maddow - who has been mad at me since 2011 - to be on the air more often at MSNBC. Meanwhile, I have had absolutely enough of "5 Takeaways From The New Hampshire Primary." Not only is the premise hackneyed, but The New York Times, The Washington Post, NPR, CNN, The Hill, and Agence France Presse all used EXACTLY THAT TITLE for their versions. And all of them left out the real takeaways: Trump needed to pretend to be a human being and instead lashed out in a rage against Nikki Haley that is now continuing into a third day and last night extended to Trump threatening to "ban" from MAGA anybody who contributes to her campaign (sure - he won't take somebody else's money; his least convincing lie yet). His fuse is completely gone. He also has now claimed he defeated the sitting governor of Iowa, I guess in the primary there, and near as I can find no sitting governor of Iowa has sought the Republican presidential nomination since 1912 so maybe whatever he has, has just moved into the tertiary stage. Plus: CNN's shame. Its 10 PM the anchor - the one it preempts once a week to instead run Charles Barkley - condescendingly parroted the right wing talking point that nobody in America wants Joe Biden. She should be fired, but given her ratings, they can do something worse to her: force her to continue doing her show. B-Block (25:04) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Frank Farian, the evil genius behind "Milli Vanilli," is dead. Until I read his obituary, I had NO idea that the scam came apart when a record skipped... in BRISTOL, CONNECTICUT. NewsNation is not satisfied with you not watching it on TV. Now it wants you to also not listen to it on radio. And the Maryland State Senate - led by Democrats - is trying to explain how the new member of the State Board of Elections just got arrested as a January 6th Insurrectionist. C-Block (32:11) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: With the Abby Phillip Right Wing Talking Point and CNN's continuing lurch rightwards - even under new post-Lichtian management - I think it's time to remind you that ALL the cable news networks have already had THE meeting and tried THE lurch to the right. At MSNBC it was 20 years ago and it was highlighted by the attempt to mainstream a homophobic racist named Michael Savage, and how the President of NBC was enraged when Savage crossed the line and had to be fired.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Join political journalist Chris Moody on a journey that follows Matt Drudge's meteoric rise from lowly gift shop clerk to political kingmaker, a career fueled by gossip, scoops and an insatiable desire for relevance. But not long after The Drudge Report became a media powerhouse, Drudge retreated into the shadows, leaving behind a trail of unanswered questions. This episode lays the groundwork for the show's goal to find and better understand the mysterious media mogul.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Once upon a time, there was a Paper of Record. They proudly claimed that moniker because they valued journalism. They valued getting the facts before broadcasting the headline. For decades, they built the most trusted newspaper in the land. And that newspaper was called the New York Times.Then came the internet. A gaggle of hoodie-wearing flip-flop dudebros moving fast and breaking things nearly put the Times and other outlets out of business. Now, anyone could have a website and report the news they wanted, like Matt Drudge, whose news shaped opinion rather than informed the public.The Times rallied and evolved, becoming the most-read newspaper online, where they have remained since the turn of the millennium. But clickbait changed the way news was delivered. Now, the headlines had to bring eyeballs to websites. The more outrageous the headline, the more likely the clicks, and the more ad revenue from Google and other traffic-based ad servers. Get full access to Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone at sashastone.substack.com/subscribe

Bob Enyart reports briefly on Matt Drudge's apparent abduction (or rejection, as in, hell hath no fury like a gossip columnist scorned), on the Pope's confused request for help, and on the Tulsa thug who resisted arrest severely injuring one officer and murdering another. Then Bob continues his "clear thinking segments" using as fodder the atheist "Euthyphro" argument. Google ranks Bob's Christian reply #1 at kgov.com/euthyphro. On Euthyphro Part 1 Bob introduced Socrates' argument and in Part 2 evaluated the Divine Command View. Today in Part 3 He introduces what's called the Recognition View. To hear the full series, just click on over to kgov.com/euthyphro-1. Today's Resource: Monthly BEL TV Classics Bob Enyart, America's most popular, self proclaimed, rightwing religious fanatic, homophobic, anti-choice talk show host is the Pastor if Denver Bible Church. Nielsen ratings have shown BEL drawing a larger audience than NBC's Conan O'Brien on a couple nights each week, for example, in South Bend, IN, a top 100 American market with 300,000 households! Now you can get episodes of the classic Bob Enyart Live TV show each month on DVD.4 Shows Monthly - $24.99 8 Shows Monthly - $34.99 12 Shows Monthly - $49.99

We are delighted to be joined by Andrew Sullivan of The Weekly Dish. He takes us on a journey through his upbringing in traditional media to his days blogging alongside Matt Drudge in the early 2000s and how he ended up on Substack. Andrew's story teaches us about how journalists connect with audiences and how one finds their voice. Wretch on! If you have a story you want us to talk about, e-mail us at wretches@nebulouspodcasts.com. Follow us on Instagram @InkStainedWretches

Three people were awarded the 2021 Nobel Prize in economics: Josh Angrist, Guido Imbens and David (“Dave”) Card. I have interviewed the first two, and today I have the pleasure of posting the last interview with Dr. Card himself. To most economists, Dr. Card needs no introduction and to be honest I'm really not even sure what to say. I will just say that one time I was having dinner with a well known labor economist who had been on the market the same year as Card, and this economist over dinner without any hint of exaggeration said simply that Card was the greatest labor economist of his generation, bar none. Other than that, I will just say some of the things about his work that has meant a lot to me. Card is “real economist”. Even more than that, he is “real labor economist”, which is the highest praise I know to give people. His knowledge of labor economic theory is deep and expansive. It rolls off his tongue effortlessly. You poke him, he bleeds income elasticities and a myriad of models that he holds to with a light grip. But he was one of the booster rockets on the “credibility revolution”, too, that launched the social sciences into a new level of empirical work. When he began working, labor was in the throes of a fairly deep empirical crisis, and we discussed that in this interview. I learned many things I didn't know, and he also corrected things I took for granted to be fact, like how I interpreted Bob Lalonde's job market paper and what it meant. Many of his studies seemed to be lightning rods on multiple levels — both because they were unexpected null results of prevailing neoclassical wisdom, but also because the studies forced the profession to have deeper conversations about epistemology. What is a model? What is evidence? What does it mean to believe something? When are beliefs justified? What makes them warranted? These were not topics that I think Dr. Card himself seemed particularly interested in, but it's very hard not to see in the anger that surrounded him and those studies people in the throes of being unable, unwilling or incapable of changing their mind even a small bit.This is in fact the story of the practical empirical work of data workers, though — marshaling convincing evidence, going up against a strong scientific blockade, and successful persuasion looking one way at the time that looks very different later. We saw a complete rejection of the facts with Semmelweis's hand washing hypothesis, and John Snow's germ theory, for instance. Both men published work that looking back is so obviously correct but at the time seemed to not move the needle on policymaker and scientist's opinion. I'm not saying that Dr. Card had that experience with his classic works on the minimum wage or immigration — he did after all win the John Bates Clark award and the Nobel Prize. But listening to his story about what he and his colleague and coauthor Alan Krueger experienced at the time when it was published, I can only say that I think sometimes we forget how intense these academic fights can be. We talk a little at different times about this speech he did in 2012 at Michigan about “design vs model based identification”, also, and if you want to read that, it's here.I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I enjoyed being a part of it. It's around 90 minutes long, but it felt like 30 minutes. At the 60 min mark, I told him well I guess we need to stop and he graciously gave me another half hour. He also makes an announcement in the interview that I think wasn't public knowledge, making me feel a little like Matt Drudge with breaking news. But no spoilers — you'll have to listen for yourself. Thank you again for tuning in. If you like these interviews, please share them! And if you really like them, consider supporting them with a subscription. But no worries if you don't want to. Have a great rest of your week! And remember — clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose. Scott's Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Scott's Substack at causalinf.substack.com/subscribe

OUTLINE of today's show with TIMECODESE-Verify opposition continues to build — and it must! Good news: Biden will veto entire border bill. Bad news: GOP keeps coming back with this at both national & state level, blinded to its danger to liberty and Constitution. 2:10What does Matt Drudge's firing from FOX 24 yrs ago tell us about FOX and possibly about Tucker's departure? 32:06Listener disagrees with my take on Building 7. Here's why I believe what I believe…44:08 Did military bioweapon site flush anthrax into water supply? Forget about Wuhan, look at the hundreds of bolas in US. 1:01:10Deputized State censorship extends to "Mail Chimp" as US Senator learns 1:19:3040 years ago, Solzhenitsyn sums up problems with Russia and the West — "Men have forgotten God". 1:21:18Just as there can be no "public health" if individual health is despised and trampled upon, there is no "Christian Nationalism" apart from the spiritual health of individuals 1:34:56WATCH: North Korean "defector" (escapee) says the dictatorship is a religion 1:42:52AI - how it "thinks", why it will never be like humans, the potential for scams and cons (including those done by government), and why it is dangerous 1:49:32Are After School Satan Clubs more dangerous than what happens DURING school? Are the clubs protected as free exercise of religion? Why are you & I on the hook to pay for indoctrination with which we disagree? Is THAT the establishment of a religion? Is THAT what schools are?2:46:00Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHT

OUTLINE of today's show with TIMECODESE-Verify opposition continues to build — and it must! Good news: Biden will veto entire border bill. Bad news: GOP keeps coming back with this at both national & state level, blinded to its danger to liberty and Constitution. 2:10What does Matt Drudge's firing from FOX 24 yrs ago tell us about FOX and possibly about Tucker's departure? 32:06Listener disagrees with my take on Building 7. Here's why I believe what I believe…44:08 Did military bioweapon site flush anthrax into water supply? Forget about Wuhan, look at the hundreds of bolas in US. 1:01:10Deputized State censorship extends to "Mail Chimp" as US Senator learns 1:19:3040 years ago, Solzhenitsyn sums up problems with Russia and the West — "Men have forgotten God". 1:21:18Just as there can be no "public health" if individual health is despised and trampled upon, there is no "Christian Nationalism" apart from the spiritual health of individuals 1:34:56WATCH: North Korean "defector" (escapee) says the dictatorship is a religion 1:42:52AI - how it "thinks", why it will never be like humans, the potential for scams and cons (including those done by government), and why it is dangerous 1:49:32Are After School Satan Clubs more dangerous than what happens DURING school? Are the clubs protected as free exercise of religion? Why are you & I on the hook to pay for indoctrination with which we disagree? Is THAT the establishment of a religion? Is THAT what schools are?2:46:00Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHT

EPISODE 193: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:43) SPECIAL COMMENT: CNN's betrayal of journalism, democracy and America by giving Trump editorial control over part of its primetime next Wednesday has actually gotten worse. It is intended by Trump as a precursor to a "jump start" of his relationship with the new management of CNN, and it may be intended by CNN as a precursor to a pronounced lurch to the right in primetime - maybe even an 8 PM show featuring former Tucker Carlson employee Kaitlan Collins. Barely anybody noticed that the start time for the New Hampshire "Town Hall" next week suddenly shifted from 9 PM EDT to 8 PM EDT and if you think that's trivial, think again. 8 PM is suddenly the Wild West of cable news. There are between a million and a million-and-a-half disaffected Tucker Carlson viewers looking for a new home and the signs are all there: CNN's Chris Licht wants their new home to be CNN. The network's primetime is in disarray (no CNN show is in the Top 25; the network just lost the 'ad demo' ratings to MSNBC for the first time in four years) and there would be no hesitation to shift Anderson Cooper from 8 to some later hour. There's more bad news. CNN Political Director David Chalian, living in terror of losing another job to Republican complaints, again underscores the network's intent to treat Trump no differently than any other candidate - as if there were true in any universe. And while there are finally blowbacks from within CNN against Licht's looming disaster, CNN Contributor and January 6 victim Michael Fanone says he wrote an Op-Ed for CNN's website comparing giving Trump this time on CNN to giving a deranged person an AR-15 - and CNN won't publish it. B-Block (15:53) POSTSCRIPTS TO THE NEWS: Another News/TV News story continues to unfold. Most people seem to have gotten over the visceral shock of seeing Carlson assert "It isn't how white men fight" and understood that it's not the comment that got him fired but the prospect of Carlson being forced to read it aloud in court (and sending shock waves through the Fox Board and the cable carriers from which Murdoch is trying to get more money). But I'm still hearing two questions: Who leaked the text (and all those Carlson outtake videos) and Why? The Who is obvious: it's Fox. The Why should be just as clear: to dirty Carlson up. And how do I know all this? Because it's been done to me by my immediate-previous employer SIX TIMES in my career: in radio, in local TV, twice in cable sports, twice in cable news.  C-Block (28:00) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: Since we're on the subject of cable and TV News and Fox and dirtying things up: what I learned from going out on two dates with Laura Ingraham. The second of them was a quarter of a century ago, just about this time of year. I'll let you know when I recover from it.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tucker and FOXWas it Dominion? Required by settlement?Was it about a possible Ray Epps lawsuit? And what about Ray Epps?Was it another lawsuit from former employee?Was it Tucker's swipe at FOX pushing the jab that he did last week?What does his final public speech just before the separation tell us? Tucker reflected on the supernatural forces shaping society right nowWhen I met Matt Drudge and talked about his firing from FOX for showing the "baby Samuel" pictureBloomberg says CBDC concerns as nothing more than demagogues (DeSantis, RFKj, Ramaswamy) pushing conspiracy theories. Ludicrous.Now DEBATES Are Censored/Cancelled Since 70% of Americans do not want Biden to run again, DNC announces all presidential debates are cancelled. As RFK Jr said, "there is no time in history where the people who were censoring speech were the good guys." And they're rigging the primaries as well State nullification resolution introduced in Louisiana. 1:43:38 Washington Post freaks out when local community takes over the county to FIRE the people who locked them down. How to take back government at the local level. Musk's Starship explosion on 420. Nearby town takes the brunt of explosion — bowling ball sized chunks of concrete and heavy sand Biden wants to punish people with good credit scores and reward the bottom 35%. California wants to charge people, not for electricity use, but according to income Lithium: China offers the Taliban $10 Billion to build strategic infrastructure. A FIRST: Biden Uses EPA to Shut Down Power Plants As EPA becomes the "Emissions Prohibition Agency" their rules are weaponized to shut down transportation, agriculture and now the power grid. CO2 is NOT a pollutant. GOP needs to stop playing the game and confront the lie. Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silver

Tucker and FOXWas it Dominion? Required by settlement?Was it about a possible Ray Epps lawsuit? And what about Ray Epps?Was it another lawsuit from former employee?Was it Tucker's swipe at FOX pushing the jab that he did last week?What does his final public speech just before the separation tell us? Tucker reflected on the supernatural forces shaping society right nowWhen I met Matt Drudge and talked about his firing from FOX for showing the "baby Samuel" pictureBloomberg says CBDC concerns as nothing more than demagogues (DeSantis, RFKj, Ramaswamy) pushing conspiracy theories. Ludicrous.Now DEBATES Are Censored/Cancelled Since 70% of Americans do not want Biden to run again, DNC announces all presidential debates are cancelled. As RFK Jr said, "there is no time in history where the people who were censoring speech were the good guys." And they're rigging the primaries as well State nullification resolution introduced in Louisiana. 1:43:38 Washington Post freaks out when local community takes over the county to FIRE the people who locked them down. How to take back government at the local level. Musk's Starship explosion on 420. Nearby town takes the brunt of explosion — bowling ball sized chunks of concrete and heavy sand Biden wants to punish people with good credit scores and reward the bottom 35%. California wants to charge people, not for electricity use, but according to income Lithium: China offers the Taliban $10 Billion to build strategic infrastructure. A FIRST: Biden Uses EPA to Shut Down Power Plants As EPA becomes the "Emissions Prohibition Agency" their rules are weaponized to shut down transportation, agriculture and now the power grid. CO2 is NOT a pollutant. GOP needs to stop playing the game and confront the lie.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silver

EPISODE 73: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:45) SPECIAL COMMENT There WAS a Red Wave: A wave goodbye to your tsunami. Sanity got up off the mat. We beat the undead zombies with some well placed shovels. Fetterman defeated Oz. Free Crudites for EVERYONE. This could turn out to be the BEST midterms for any first-term president in decades. Joe Biden just went from nomination Dark Horse, to superhero Dark Brandon. And as a bonus, regardless of who ultimately gets the House and who gets the Senate, among Republicans, Trump will get much of the blame. B-Block (15:00) EVERY DOG HAS ITS DAY: Princess Wiggles in New York (15:58) POSTSCRIPTS TO THE NEWS: 1/6 Commish interviews Trump's driver, big countries may finally pony up at COP27, Zelenskyy softens stance on negotiations with Russia (18:15) IN SPORTS: Dusty Baker will return, invoking memories of Jesse Orosco and the poet Rolfe Humphries (21:11) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Peacock, with its upcoming Casey Anthony series, battles Tucker "One of the Largest Sources of Death Threats" Carlson and Brett "Another Day, Another Scandal" Favre for the dishonors. C-Block (25:55) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: 25 years since I met her and nearly as long since I went out on a date with Laura Ingraham. It was worse than you'd expect, and it was followed by a second date that was actually closer to me being kidnapped and held hostage. But I learned a valuable lesson about how - and how efficiently - "The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" actually works, that remains instructive to this day.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

EPISODE 68: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:45) "He was completely caught up in the fantasy. He really believed in the whole MAGA, stolen election. If you go to Fox News, if you look at QAnon - you know." David DePape's employer of six years makes it Case Closed: the would-be assassin of Nancy Pelosi was energized stochastically by every weapon the GOP can muster (2:24) And it appears that DePape's defense will be a claim of "vulnerability" to the MAGA/Fox News/Trump misinformation machine (3:24) Yet the GOP continues in full denial, to the extent that a Washington Examiner columnist insists the assassination attempt never happened (5:04) How does the GOP maintain this astonishing and apparently heartfelt hypocrisy? Their party DEPENDS on it. Let me review a couple dozen Herschel Walker/Peter Navarro/Samuel Alito cases (10:30) And finally we have the explanation of "Every Republican Accusation Is A Confession" from a psychology professional: it's not projection, it's not compensation. B-Block (20:04) EVERY DOG HAS ITS DAY: Hex, in Devore CA (21:00) POSTSCRIPTS TO THE NEWS: Graham has to testify, Wisconsin fascist gubernatorial candidate says the quiet fascist part out loud, and Elon Musk's tries to make selling Verification into a populist issue when he's really just blackmailing the blue checks: pay me $96/year or I'll shadow-ban you, and maybe sell your identity to somebody else. Plus late word that the Treasury Department isn't happy with all those Saudi, Qatari, and Chinese investors and may try to hold up his purchase! (26:16) IN SPORTS: Even MORE home runs, yet another A's franchise shift, and the NBA screws up the Kyrie Irving disaster yet again (29:40) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLDS: Mehmet Oz, Jim "Yes MASA" Jordan and Andrea "Bothsidesism" Mitchell compete for the honors. C-Block (34:02) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: You know how I know CNN is trying to swing to the right to protect its profits in case the country goes fascist? Because MSNBC tried it in 2003. The harrowing story of the day they tried to make me run a commentary by Michael Savage - literally dressed as a brownshirt - in the middle of Countdown and what I had to do to stop them.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tim Miller had sterling credentials as a top GOP operative, working for the RNC, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Jon Huntsman and more...until he felt increasingly alienated as Donald Trump took over the party. In this conversation, he talks his path out of Republican politics - chronicled in his bestselling book WHY WE DID IT - and how the past several years of GOP politics led to the wholescale Trump takeover of the party. This is a great discussion with one of the most brutally honest observers of American politics, who's had a front row seat to the most important political phenomenon in decades.IN THIS EPISODE…Tim's path to working in politics…The early threads Tim saw of the Trump movement in the GOP…Tim talks his role helping write and promote the infamous post-2012 GOP autopsy…The moment Tim realized most of the GOP political class would throw in their lot with Trump…The Corey Lewandowski Theorem…Tim talks the rivalry between Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney…Rumors of the negotiations of a possible 2016 Rubio / Cruz pact to stop Trump…Memories of Lindsay Graham's vitriolic anti-Trump sermons…The Breitbart Embassy…Tim talks the time he's spent around Steve Bannon…Tim best practices of placing political opposition research…Tim on the “ruthlessness” gap between the Democratic and Republican political class…The story of the Independent Journal Review as a glimpse into the GOP base...Tim's creative take on the various type of Trump apologists...Tim defines “nerd revengers”…Tim's level of optimism the GOP can pull back from the Trump brink…Tim's LSU football fandom…AND Greg Abbot, George Allen, amnesty, avatars, bags of hammers, Paul Begala, bets with Grandma, blocking and tackling, Dan Bongino, Bruce Braley, Buchaninites, the Bulwark, Jeb Bush, James Carville, Catalist, the Chicago Cubs, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, cloak and dagger, Scott Conroy, the cool kids table, Council Bluffs, Daily Caller, Mitch Daniels, Death Valley, Ron DeSantis, Bob Dole, dorks and nerds, Matt Drudge, the Everglades, Alyssa Farah, Mark Hanna, hatchet men, Chuck Johnson, Brian Kelly, Ted Kennedy, Charlie Kirk, love children, John McCain, William McKinley, H.R. McMaster, meme culture, Mother Jones, mutual fund managers, National Review, Ralph Northam, Ed Orgeron, Bill Owens, Sarah Palin, plutocrats, Reince Preibus, Ronald Reagan, Todd Ricketts, Nick Saban, Mike Shields, Alex Skatell, Sean Spicer, squishes, Elise Stefanik, George Stephanopoulos, Stuart Stevens, Tea Party weirdos, John Thune, Tiger Island, traffic hoses, Sean Trende, unique psychopathy, Upworthy, Dick Wadhams, Scott Walker, the Wall Street Journal, the World Series, YOLO mode & more!

Son of the Old Left, father of the New Left, sworn enemy of the whole left -- "a century from now," in the words of Camille Paglia, "cultural historians will find David Horowitz's political and spiritual odyssey paradigmatic for our time." We gallop to the Rockies to catch up with the historic writer-warrior as he confronts his most powerful enemy yet...   To follow the complete adventure, subscribe at patreon.com/filthyarmenian for the encore episode from this encounter and much more.   Recommended reading: Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey and Mortality & Faith: Reflections on a Journey Through Time by David Horowitz   Sights: Shakespeare, Peter Collier, Ron Radosh, Raiders, Roger Goodell, Donald Trump, Ed Snyder, Mark Davis, Sontag, Rosenberg execution, Ramparts, Black Panthers, Robert Sheer, Isaiah Berlin, Erich Fromm, Tom Hayden, Huey Newton, Reason Magazine, Bill Kristol, Martin Luther, Pope Francis, Erdogan, Mel Gibson, Jesus, Protestants, Matt Drudge, Andrew Breitbart, Joan Didion, Ben Stein, 1939, supernatural diner experience, Bernie Sanders, Christopher Hitchens, Todd Gitlin, Mollie Hemingway, Henry Louis Gates, capitalism and rap, Twin Peaks, Mario Savio, Pascal, Paul Robeson, Charlie Chaplin's moonwalk, Morgan, Winter's Tale, AIDS, Larry Littlejohn, Van Morrison, Cocaine   Follow us on Twitter/Insta @filthyarmenian

INTRODUCTION: Barry Bowen is the Staff Investigator at Trinity Foundation, a nonprofit organization that investigates religious fraud, theft and excess. From 2005 to 2010 Bowen served as one of the third-party whistleblowers assisting the U.S. Senate in its investigation of six TV ministries. INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      Mega Church Deception·      Money Mismanagement ·      Church Hypocrisy·      The Need For Church Accountability ·      Lakewood Church·      Hillsong Church ·      PPP Loan Abuse·      Shell Company Defined·      How Churches Take Advantage Of The LLC Business Structure·      How Churches Have Become MarketplacesCONNECT WITH BARRY: Website: https://trinityfi.orgTwitter: https://twitter.com/barrybowen CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonEmail: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hello? Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome back to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. God bless you. Uh, now y'all, I'm going, been watching this documentary called Hillsong a mega church exposed on the discovery plus channel in bitch. If you haven't seen. I'm telling you right now, I am letting you know, you need this fucking P in your life.I was able to land an interview with someone from that documentary. And he's my guest today. His name was Barry Bowen and he is a staff investigator at the Trinity foundation, [00:01:00] which is a non-profit, which investigates religious fraud, theft, and excess, and things like that. Now, in this episode, we're spelling some major T on Lakewood church, Hillsong church. And the general corruption, which has become the face of the church today. Ultimately these churches need to be more fucking accountable in Barry and I are here to help make that happen. Hello? Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. I am your host Avanan and I have with me today, a man by the name of Barry Barry Bowen. He's a staff private investigator at Trinity foundation. And then this episode here is is going to have a very, very, maybe I should say ominous vibe to it because we've got to really be digging down into some megachurch, Phil uncovering a few things, and you know, we're opening your eyes [00:02:00] to some facts that you may not know.Now you gotta make your own draw your own conclusions and everything like that. Our aim here is to share knowledge with the world. So, Barry, how are you doing? Barry: I am doing well and ready to have a busy weekend though. De'Vannon: Mm hallelujah. Tabernacle and praise. I know that's right. And so, so right off the bat, I just want to tell everyone the website is Trinity fii.org.As always, this will go in the showy notes as I always do. I want to put that out there right now, because everyone's going to need to go to this website. I need you to go to this website. My head was fucking hurting. It was like split down the middle. Like I had been cracked in the noggin with an ax or some shit as I was reading through.The articles tab, which is where Barry's work is and all of these different, just different [00:03:00]investigative journalism. This man has done over the years and years and years. And so we're going to be uncovering a lot of things. You're coming from a 15 year history in journalism. Tell us about your background.Barry: And 2000 I started a website, Christian headlines.com. It was sorta like the Matt Drudge, the Drudge report of Christianity. Every day, I would look for articles of interest to Christians and link to them. So in the course of doing that website, I started coming across regularly articles about bad pastors people in the church committing crimes.And I knew about Trinity foundation, a watchdog organization, and started emailing them tips, news articles that I was coming across and. Eventually I reached a breaking point. One night I was flipping through the TV channels and I came across a televangelist named [00:04:00] Mike Murdoch and he was doing the standard beg of Bon or just begging for money.And he said, so EST on your credit card, and God will erase your credit card debt. I wanted to jump through the TV set and hit the guy. I did not the TV survived, but I, when that incident happened, I thought I am going to take you down. And so I started investigating the televangelists more. I would.I found out about nine nineties. These are financial documents. That nonprofits file. Now churches, synagogues, mosques are exempt from filing, but other religious organizations are required to file them. So I started digging into these kinds of financial documents eventually starting to incorporation searches to learn about who makes the key decisions in the organizations and how they [00:05:00] hide their assets.Then I learned eventually how to track their aircraft. So it's been a interesting ride. And 2005, I read an article about being Derby. He was a congressional investigator. He was the attorney that council's counsel for the Senate finance. Senate finance committee, which at the time was headed up by Senator Charles Grassley.And in this article, it talked about that Dean's RB was investigating half a dozen, half a dozen non-profits for fraud. And I was thinking, this guy shouldn't investigate the televangelists. So I, and I contacted TriNet foundation. The president at the time was only Anthony. And it's like only you need to contact this guy, send them to him, send them your Binny Han brief.So just a couple months earlier Treme foundation had challenged Benny him, the [00:06:00]televangelist, his tax exempt status do dumpster diving. They go through the trash. They found out that the IRS was questioning whether or not Benny Hinn ministry should be considered a church and a. So TriNet foundation did this report to the S to the IRS.And so it was sent that report was sent to Dean Serby, this investigator that worked for Senator Grassley and he looked at the email and he looked at the report and he told us that they would need to wrap up the current investigations before the Senate could investigate these religious non-profits.So that was 2005 November, 2007. It became matter of public knowledge. One night I think maybe two in the morning on the Senate finance committee, [00:07:00] they sent out faxes to six TV ministries, demanding their financial records. And those ministries were Benny and. Kenneth Copeland Creflo dollar Eddie long Joyce Meyer and polo white.And it was a maybe a circus the next day. When the news media found out about the Senate inquiry so Grassley was interested in, in non-profit organizations were abusing their tax exempt status. He started investigating nonprofits in 2001, and this all happened because of September 11th.The terrorist attack on the twin towers. When [00:08:00] that incident happened the American red cross set up, I believe they call it the victory fund and hundreds of millions of dollars were donated nationwide to go to the families of the victims. Well, the American red cross decided to divert some of those funds.And when that was discovered, when that was reported in the news, it led to state attorney General's investigating. It led to Congress investigating the president of American red cross resigned. It really hurt the reputation of the organization. What a lot of people don't know is when you give to a specific cause specific purpose, those are called restricted donations.And if the money is spent other than how the donor intended it can be fraud. Now it's IRS. Typically doesn't investigate this. Normally be a state attorney general that does. It could even be a [00:09:00]local district attorney, but generally they don't investigate these things. So in churches, when people grew up in churches, they'll often remember those old offering envelopes and you could check mark on it.If the money was go, you want to give to the church building fund or to missions different purposes. So if that money wasn't spent the way the donor intended that's possible fraud. And so Grassley his staff, they started to investigate, oh, 2006, there was elections. And the Democrats took control of the Senate.Grassley went from being the chairman of the Senate finance committee to being the ranking minority member. So then in 2007, 2008, Was the housing bubble burst? Well, there was bank [00:10:00]bailouts we had, how do you pay for it? That goes to the Senate finance committee, 2009, president Barack Obama and the Democrats pushed through Obamacare.Well, how are you going to pay for it? That goes to the Senate finance committee again. So this inquiry was sort of on the back burner for a long, long time. It did not turn out the way we wanted it to. When I suggested the Senate investigate, I was hoping that there would be hearings in the 1950s and in the 1960s, there were two big congressional hearings into organized crime.Some of these mafia bosses were subpoenaed to testify before Congress, and you can watch some of the old videos on YouTube. They recorded on film back in the day, but that is what we were hoping. We were hoping to bring exposure. What happens is when these televangelists [00:11:00] often people around them don't want to go public.So you don't find out certain details until they reach the courtroom when somebody is under oath. And so we thought by forcing televangelists to testify, we could, they could be grilled with the right questions. And and so they could be like asked did the church pay for your cosmetic surgery?When you flew the jet on this date to The Bahamas that was that for a personal vacation? Did you reimburse the church for use of that jet? I mean, these were the kinds of things that we wanted to bring into the public, but there were ended up being no hearings, but in the meantime, I did property searches, corporation searches of these ministries.And we forward that information to the us Senate. One of the things [00:12:00] that we discovered was a number of these people were operating businesses from inside their churches. Paula white had a company, Paula white enterprises, and that physical address was her church. So is her business paying the church rent for use of the facility?These are the kinds of question that an investigator would ask. And a lot of people don't know this, but churches are required to pay taxes on certain unrelated business income. So if a church is doing something like they have a facility that they're renting out it could be taxable income. Now the laws are weird.There are loopholes. If a building is paid off and you rent it out, It's not taxable. If you are paying or paying a note on a building and you rent it out, then it's taxable. It's [00:13:00] backwards in my opinion. But there's a form that nonprofits and churches are required to file for this kind of revenue.And it's called a nine 90 T and it discloses unrelated business income. We concluded that could have been the smoking gun that could have brought down a number of televangelists, that there are having revenue that they're not reporting. That is not taxed. There's a really gigantic story. I cannot disclose right now, but it's the investigations into this key issue and it involves hundreds of millions of dollars.De'Vannon: Now, before we thank you for that, for that rundown. And I love. I don't know, man. I love what you're doing. That the revelation of this is so heavy though, because as I was reading through your site and everything and listening to, I also want to give a a shout [00:14:00] out to our girl, Tanya Levine, down there in Australia.She's in Sydney, Australia, and she has a podcast called leaving hill song. I discovered her on the discovery plus channel documentary. It's like Hillsong exposed or something like that. It's called it's a three-part documentary. And Tanya Levine was being interviewed in the documentary. She's the author of a book, I think it's called leaving Hillsong two or something like that.And and she has a podcast called leaving heels, a song, and Barry did a three-part interview with Tanya on there. So that's how I discovered Barry. And so in Hillsong church is going through all of this drama and stuff right now. But the information is like so heavy, you know, it really, really pains me that people go to churches for inspiration and to be inspired.And, you know, we put all this trust in these preachers, any, and so many times it's like, it's not, they don't, they didn't turn out to be who we [00:15:00] thought they are, but, you know, but when I think about it, as I'm listening to you speak Joyce Meyer, proximal dollar, why would I assume that there wouldn't be money mismanagement?You didn't say that there is, but I'm like w we, we just afford a certain level of trust of these people because we believe they're supposed to be, we haven't looked into the books. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We just assume because they are a preacher that they're doing shit. Right.And that's not necessarily the case. Barry: Well, in the case of the six TV ministries that the Senate tried to investigate none of them filed a form 990 and this financial disclosure document. You can obtain them at websites like GuideStar pro-public as a nonprofit search page and other places these [00:16:00] documents are a matter of public record.So a donor to one of these organizations can look and see where the money's going. And they, I believe in and donor responsibility. I believe that donors that regularly give to an organization, they should check it out, make sure that money's being properly spent. I mean, I understand that you're giving $20 a one-time donation or organization.You don't have to do a lot of research into it, but if you're like giving to a church for a year after year after year and involves thousands of dollars, you really should check them. So these, these nine nineties on the very first page, it includes total revenue, total expenses it'll report. If they have unrelated business income at a report, the number of total number of board members and it'll report the total number of independent board members.And that's really critical. Oh, wait, [00:17:00] one more thing. There's a couple of different kinds of nine nineties. There's a nine 90 N, which is called a postcard nine 90 for organizations that have only a small amount of revenue. I forget the amount, if it's 50,000 or a hundred thousand dollars or less, that you, you could file the, the postcard nine 90, then there's a nine 90 easy.I think it's up to $250,000 revenue, but I have to verify that you, you can file a nine 90 Z and then of course, the nine 90 regular nine 90. So we look at those documents in the nine 90 also includes a statement of revenue page. So it explains what were the revenues coming from? Is it from like general contributions?Is it from a related organization? Things like that investment income, rental income there is a statement of expenses page. So it'll it'll list things like legal [00:18:00] expenses. So if you see a large amount of legal expenses, you know, that the organization may be going through litigation, maybe they're suing someone or they're fighting a lawsuit.Then there is travel expenses, if that's really high and they may have. So those are some of the things that stand out on, I think it's page four. It there's a, a yes or no question if the organization has foreign bank or financial accounts. And then if they answer yes, the line below they list what country it's in, and sometimes they'll use a country code, or sometimes I'll write out the country.So if you see Cayman islands, right, there's like a red flag. Are they involved in off shore money laundering? Those kinds of questions come up occasionally. But some of the things I look for it lists related organizations that again, that those [00:19:00] money can be moved back and forth through relater organizations, shell companies, limited liability companies.And so you mentioned the whole song podcast. One of the things that I investigated heal song was their use of limited liability companies. De'Vannon: Wait, wait, sorry to cut you off with that. We want it to I did mention the LLC and I do want to get, get to that, but I want to touch on Lakewood church first because that's like like what is like a pet peeve of mine and everything like that.I love your passion for what you're doing and I can see why. I can see why you have like a jewel in your eyes and your voice and everything. And, you know I'm happy you came across the whole Murdoch thing all those years ago that sets you on this course because who knew that such a time, like this would come where we have all of this [00:20:00] church fuckery happening.So we're going to, we are going to get on Hillsong in just a second, but I wanted to just start with Lakewood church first, because this is near and dear to my heart because I talk about. Quite often in extensively in my memoir about how I used to be a big volunteer there. Then I was dismissed fired from volunteering because I'm not straight.And so this interview is not really focusing on the way Lakewood dehumanizes people behind the scenes and stuff like that. This is to, this is more like a a financially corrupt based show, what we're talking about today. But I liked to talk about Lakewood in this aspect. I really want to start with them because a lot of churches of various sizes look to Lakewood since they're the largest church in the country.So when I've attended other churches before the preachers would always talk about Joel Olsteen and how they want to be like. And so the things that he's doing, there are [00:21:00] things that other churches will mimic. You know, if you go to different churches, they'll notice a practice at church X churches, each church, Jay, and then they'll incorporate it into their own corporation.And so so I really wanted to kind of dissect some of the things about Lakewood before we get into Hillsong. And I think it's a very cute correlation because, you know, Joel and Brian Houston, Brian Houston, the whale, I kind of the pastor hill song, he had to step down. There's a whole scandal going on over there.You know, they were always good buddies, you know they would send Darlene check the worship leader from Hillsong over the Lakewood. And then they within the Cindy Cruz red cliff, the worship leader at Lakewood over to Hillsong and then Joel and Brian, I think I saw them on a telecast together. So they're all buddy, buddy and shit.And so. So I wanted to start with Lakewood and segue with the Hillsong because of the way they liked to hold those two churches, like the whole hands and go skipping down the Lilly brushes and everything like that while they run over people [00:22:00] along the way. And so so in, so, so Lakewood, the way they let's talk about that, the way they filed their, their board of directors.So many churches have this whole thing that, you know, you would think, how shall I say you would think that there's a whole like, okay. So when I was a member of the university Presbyterian church here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, over at LSU, it was the most transparent church have ever been to. You can see where all the money's going.They have this thing called the session that votes on things. And then when it's major decisions, actually the whole congregation can get together and vote. And this is not the case in these large churches. Their filings read things like the corporations you'll have no members in the case of Lakewood.So just to talk about fat. So they originally were [00:23:00] incorporated in 1959, I believe it was. So just bring this up to present and talk about this whole, the way these boards are, or, and then let's get very granular with how it is currently at Lakewood.Barry: Like you said the church was Lakewood church was founded in 1959.It was originally a Southern Methodist church. And eventually they amended their articles of incorporation so that the church became an independent nondenominational church. They changed the name of it. I forget what the original name was eventually and. 2006. When they amended the articles of incorporation, it included this language.This is amendment or article number two, the corporation hereby elects to have a sole member for the limited purposes and with only the [00:24:00] duties, right. And powers set out in the corporation's bylaws in the ordinary course of business, any action that would otherwise require a vote of members requires only a vote of the board of directors and no meeting or vote of members is required all rights that otherwise would vest in the members vest and the direct and the directors.So there's different forms of church governance. Originally it seems, it looks like the church had maybe A congregational model where the members would vote, vote on how the money was spent. I would have to go back and look at the original articles of corporation to verify that, but that was a typically how most Southern Baptist churches were started, were congregational.Some churches are hierarchal, like for example, the Catholic church, you have a Pope [00:25:00] then archbishops then bishops blow them. And so the decisions are made top down. But started with one person. Sometimes there's organizations where one person makes all decisions and that's called a corporation sole.There is he'll when not Hillsong. There is this approach that Lakewood church takes. I like to call it the board of directors model. They. Has specific people that make the key decisions. And in this case, they are almost all family members. The one exception at Lakewood church is the treasurer.Noel Keller is the only non O'Steen family member. That's on the board of directors. And this is a really critical issue. For example just say that the board of [00:26:00] directors were to vote on the salaries, approving the salaries of the people on the board. You don't have any independent board members, so you would have possibly a family member voting on someone else's pay.I mean, Lisa, Lisa comes as Joel Osteen's sister, her and her husband are on the board. Joel and Victoria are on the board. And then Noel killer. So on a nine 90 form for, to get churches are not required to file these, but on a 990, I think it's schedule J or the schedule right after that. There's this place where it indicates how the compensation is decided for key people.And it you'll look in to see if there's a box check mark for independent [00:27:00] compensation committee, a compensation consultant. So in some of the large churches a person can legally get paid a lot of money. If you bring in a compensation consultant, they perform a study. They the board reviews their study.Then the person that's going to be voted on leaves the room. And then they vote on that person's compensation and report it and the recording and the board notes. That's how to legally get paid a huge amount of money at a nonprofit, not just churches, but all nonprofits. The IRS has really shot themselves in the foot by not properly defining excessive compensation years ago, the NFL was a nonprofit organization and Roger Goodell you know, however you pronounce his name.He was paid like over $30 million a year. And as a nonprofit, that's just insane. [00:28:00] But and he was able to do that because they would compare his compensation with that other CEOs, other not non-profits. So you know, like what church church is governance model. You have this family. And who is going to hold the family responsible.That is why it's very critical to have an independent board of directors. De'Vannon: You know, when you, when you mentioned how the, how the salaries that the church has mimic that of the secular world, it just, it really strikes a bitter chord within me because it's, it just echoes back to how, when it's convenient, the church wants to be like the world with.When they want to [00:29:00] cast judgment, then it's not okay to be like the world. So we don't want you to drink alcohol or do drugs or fuck outside of marriage because that's what they do over in the world. But I'll take that, that, that that I've seen salary, you know, like they have over in the world because, you know, we need a model to go by.Right. So might as well pull it from the world. And so, and so, yeah, you can tell this really pisses me off because you know, we sat there and we'd give all this money to these churches and, you know, just blindly, but we don't have any control or any power over what the fuck happens and why, why would anybody knowingly want to do that?And this is different. Okay. So like if you're working for somebody at a job. They're paying you to be there. Okay. In exchange for your time, that company has a board of directors and they don't give a fuck about what you think either, unless you have stock in the company and then they may not [00:30:00] ask you them, but at least you going to church, you're not being paid to come there.You're paying them in the decision that they make affect so much stuff. So here in the case of Lakewood, you've got Joe Victoria, Kevin, I think Paul's brother might be on the, on the damn board to making all the decisions. Okay. In the way the language is written, they're not, they don't give a fuck about what any of the members have to say.They want all the members to come there and the people around the world to send money. And then this, this group of five or whatever are going to make all the decisions and just, just the end of it. And then your opinion doesn't matter. So it's left up to the people to decide whether this is the sort of thing that they're okay with.We're not necessarily whether it's good or bad, it's up to you. But I didn't know this. When I was a member of Lakewood church, I did notice that they would make decisions like they would send, say like Paul, cause he's a doctor medical [00:31:00] doctor on missions trips to Africa, say with his family. And I would be thinking, well, I would have loved to have gone on that missions trip.No one asked me if I could go. It was just the thing that was decided. Nobody said, Hey members, is it okay if we spend church funds to send him and his family on this missions trip, it was just done. And so, and that's just the way it is. And a lot of these churches, like you give us the money because we're holy and we hear from heaven and everything like that better than you do.And then we're going to make all of these decisions. I was once. Okay. With that. There's no way I would be okay with that again. Barry: Yes, maybe either. My dad was a Baptist minister, so I grew up in the church and the church that I attended it was a congregational governance model. One Wednesday night, a month, there'd be a church business meeting.And there'll be a church financial statement. So you can see where the, how much money came in and where it was spent. [00:32:00] And members would vote each year to approve the budget. My dad's salary was disclosed to the public. No, my dad was uncomfortable with that, but he knew that the church needed to be transparent.And my dad was not getting rich from being a minister in a church, but a lot of people you don't, when you read the Bible, you don't necessarily see a congregation. Governance model. So you have some people say this is not biblical as if just because something may not be listed in the Bible doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.So I think God can work through all kinds of different governance models, but I I'm convinced that you need transparency and accountability. And if you lack neither, you're creating an environment where [00:33:00] fraud can abound, De'Vannon: right? So let me take this further with Lakewood. So in your, on your website, you have an article it's called million dollar homes, become status symbols of televangelists and past.So on the one hand and you get very granular, you show 'em like satellite imagery of people's houses. You have Joel and Victoria's house in there. You have a couple of other ministers house on there and you say how much it's worth, you know, so on and so forth. Now, in the case of Joe, you know, you also mentioned that they have another house in California.I found that interesting that you, you, you, you had to use an informant to find this information out. I don't know why it would be such clandestine information. Why do you think he wouldn't want people to know? He has another million dollar home somewhere? Barry: People have multiple reasons for hiding their [00:34:00] address.So in the state of Texas Texas has higher property taxes than a lot of states. I believe because Texas does not have a a state income tax. But in the state of Texas each county has a, what's called a an appraisal district. So in Houston, Houston is in Harris county. So you can go to that website, Harris county, appraisal district, and you can put in a person's name or the name of a business, and you can look up their property.In the case of people who are celebrities, people that have had death threats a lot of politicians have their information redacted, so you can't find them by searching my name. Okay. So there are other methods you have to use [00:35:00] to find their address. I'm not going to go into all that. So I don't want to clue in the televangelists to some of our investigative techniques, but so.And Harris county. There is a property that, where Joel Osteen owns it. There's another one there that I'm not sure if he owns it or not. We didn't go too into detail and our article, but there's a house. And again, I don't know who lives there. It may be a sister. It may be his mom. I don't know if he owns it and runs it out there.I think he has another house, but I'm not certain about it. But they were previously in shell companies. They registered them there and this is a way of trying to have more privacy. I get that there are certain people that [00:36:00] don't want people driving by their house trying to find them they want privacy.I get that. But It can be a technique use for more sinister purposes and we'll get that to that later. I'm. Sure. So we had an informant tell us that Joel had a house in California, and once we found out that, and we knew that it was not far from the Pacific ocean, I was on a tear. I was going through realtor websites, looking at recently sold houses that were expensive.Try and find our, this is a gated community who bought it or was it a registered to a shell company? Oh, it was just crazy, but we did not have the right time period. He had lived in a house longer than we suspected, so I missed it in my research [00:37:00] eventually an informant, let us know where it was, but The house.There was a real estate website that estimated it to be worth 5 million. But should a pastor live in these kinds of expensive homes and expenses? The mansion's, there's a Bible verse where Jesus said not to lay up treasures for yourselves here on earth, but to store that up in heaven. And when you've got a televangelist, maybe spending over $10 million on a couple of homes, he maybe could have spent that money a lot more frugally and helped people with it.I think televangelists that are acquiring massive wealth are being disobedient descriptive. One of the [00:38:00] craziest cases I've investigated is that a guy named David Sarillo, he is president of the inspirational network many years ago, that was PTL, which was a TV network that Jim baker started after Jim baker scandals.It changed which ownership, but David Cirillo and 12 years was compensated $41 million. Yeah. Inspirational network is a non-profit organization. And so I would love to say the IRS revoked the tax exempt status of his organization. I really would. I'm hoping that one day they do De'Vannon: so I don't. So I hear what you're saying about how you don't feel like creatures.Have a lot of money. I, I kind of agree with it. I kind of don't. So like [00:39:00] if they, if they take it like a salary from the church, I think I agree with you. Like what you're saying. If they make their money separately, like Joel and Victoria sing too, if they want to go buy expensive shit. I don't feel like that it is for me to control what they spend their money on.But a lot of people agree with your perspective though, because the optics of it looks, it looks bad to a lot of people. They just, a lot of people just can not get past the fact that the preacher lives, that sort of lifestyle in there seeing, you know, rubbing elbows with celebrities and stars and everything like that.It's like, okay, what is the difference? So I don't think you're wrong for thinking that way, but you know, but speaking of speaking of optics though, and I do want to remind people just how much church, a lot, like Lakewood is a family business, you know, When I was there filming my docu-series and everything like that, which is about to come up on my website Texas roads and jesus.com, that [00:40:00] website I noticed that night, they now have pictures of like Joel and Victoria and their children, you know, Jonathan, you know, you know, plastered all over the, all over the building inside, you know, just reminding you in my opinion of whose fucking house it is, you know, and everything like that.And so I get, it's a generational thing you had, I think it was John O'Steen who handed the reigns to Joel and clearly they intended the handed to, to, to, to Joe's son, the Jonathan I'm like, okay, It just, it just hit me. So like, like a slap in the face though. I'm like, okay. So when they stand on the stage, they're like, okay, you are Lakewood.They had the same going for awhile. Hashtag I am Lakewood, many companies do that. I am Verizon. I am the gap, whatever you want to say to the mindfuck people to make, make them feel like they are part of your organization when really they're kind of not because they're bankrolling your organization. You know, I am the gap blow.You're saying that because you want [00:41:00] me to keep paying and buying your clothes. And so so how am I part of the Lakewood family, if I'm paying money in ties and offerings, but you only got five family members making all the damn decisions, you know, I'm a part of the family, but my opinion doesn't count.And again, this isn't just Lakewood. You have a lot of churches, you know, run this way. This here is just like probably the highest example in the land. So speaking of optics though, I wanted to touch on their whole PPP loan. Thing scandal issues that they had. Because when I heard that, that really, really, really pissed me off because I believe that just because you can doesn't mean you should, and God knows our government is fucking corrupt.So the government allowed churches that do not pay taxes to get money because of the coronavirus. My thing was, you don't have any money invested [00:42:00] into the tax pot because you don't fucking pay taxes. That's the one, secondly, all of y'all are rich enough. And I think the loan was still like five, four or five, 6 million.I'm all like y'all got this money. You are not broke even if, even if Joel inventory or somebody, if it wasn't me. And I was. To avoid the appearance of evil. Like the Bible says I would not have taken money from the government. If I was the leader of a church, when I already could have covered that personally, just to not risk turning people away from Christ, somebody may have been discouraged in their faith because the richest church in the country took a loan from the government.When you had small businesses, like I have small businesses that couldn't get a fucking PPP loan and needed it. Yet. You have a church where you have millionaires, who could have bankrolled that who chose not to talk about that. Barry: [00:43:00] And early 20, 20, I think it was February or March. The national lockdown happened for a couple of weeks.And then after that various cities and states started also doing some lock Downing themselves. So the paycheck protection program PPP that was designed so that small businesses and nonprofits could maintain so they could retain their employees. That was the key idea behind, behind the paycheck protection program.And after it was instituted, it was a failure in how it was set up. There was not proper screening. There's been a massive amount of fraud in the program, and these were forgivable loans. So w or had the potential to be forgiven. So the S the small [00:44:00] business administration working with a bunch of financial institutions provided these loans.The churches and ministries would follow an application. And in my own research that basically there were two A lot of them got loans in 2020 and 2021. So over a hundred million dollars ended up going to churches with broadcast ministries things like that. So Lakewood, they got alone.And then because of the bad media coverage, they paid it back. And they were not the only one when journalists filed a foyer request. That means freedom of information act when they filed those to get the list of recipients [00:45:00] then it became. And so you could go to I think it was a small business administration website to look them up.Then ProPublica created a PPP search page, which you could find it with a search engine and you could type in names of ministries at your hearing office and see if they got money. So we've got a trade foundation. We got contacted by insight edition. Because some journalists were looking at religious organizations and they're curious about televangelists getting them well, when the, when I found out that that we could search the list of PPP recipients, I went wild on those searches.I did probably 200 searches in a one week. And so we, we found out that word of God fellowship. That's that business name for Daystar television network. They got it. Well, what's crazy about it [00:46:00] was right after they got their PPP loan. They purchased a jet. So I'm inside edition. Want to do an expo say on that.And they contacted they star Marcus lamb for an interview and he declined. So then they knew they're going to get him. It would be a hostile interview, unwanted. So a stakeout interview. So we'd try to find out when and where he would be. And so that involves surveillance. Oh yes. But investigate them times.So we found out that he was going to be at a golf course. They had a golf tournament, Daystar golf tournament. So they stars camera crew. They were the producer, Lisa Guerrero. And the camera may, we're all in this van. And my boss and I were in other cars uh, monitoring friend Marcus would drive up to the golf course.And we missed him. He was in a black [00:47:00] sports car when normally he wasn't in that vehicle. And so we did not catch him. They saw him when he got out of the vehicle in the parking lot, they ran over, pulled out their camera and she got her interview estimate a couple of questions before he entered the country club.And so that was fun doing that exposition, the investigation, De'Vannon: oh my God, Jesus Christ. video1491811222: As De'Vannon: I pray for people who are confused religiously, who've looked at all of these things happen and I pray that they find it's like spiritual peace because it's very, very upsetting the people to. Now you and I are on the same page.I love me some good investigative journalism. You know, let's find the damn scandal in in [00:48:00]everything like that. Let's find the damn scandal let's get after and let's dig into it. But there are people who are really like, like I was angry, say over like what Lakewood did with, there are people who were probably like devastated and broken hearted and probably crying somewhere because they're idle, you know, Joel Olsteen, you know, you know, allow something like this to happen.You know, I preach a lot of spiritual independence. I want people to be able to go to God for themselves, whether without a church, you know, and to put pastors in their place, which is beneath the God, do you know? Which sometimes a lot of times we'll make idols out of pastors before we realize it.So So, so, so, so my heart, you know, in my soul and my, and my love and love really goes out to people who feel confused and heartbroken. And like, they may not want to believe in God because of what these people have done. But remember Joe, you know, Marcus lamb over at bay [00:49:00] star, you know, and everybody in Joni lamb and everybody, and, you know, Brian Houston and everybody, these are just people y'all and like people, they gonna fuck up.Now, what you're not going to get from most preachers is an apology or an admission of guilt. Most of them do not tend to do that. That's just the way they are. And so, but remember they are human. They are not the Lord and whatever it is that they do, they did that. Every word that comes out of their mouth is not going to be divided.So you got to learn how to go to God for yourself and remember that no matter what these people do, don't let that shake up your faith. Like don't, don't, don't let them cause you to miss heaven and a peaceful life. So don't be like, well, God, I'm not gonna fuck with you because of what Joel did or what, because Creflo dollar did they stole from the church out?Could they, you know, I did that when I got kicked out of Lakewood for not being straight and it took me five or six years before I was reconciled to God because I was not, I wasn't spiritually mature and I don't want to see anybody else [00:50:00] fall into having a gap in their spiritual life because of what a church did now, before we get into Hillsong, which is next, I want you to just tell people what a shell corporation is.Barry: Shell company is a company to it may not have any business purpose. It's just to hold an asset. So in the case of some of these televangelists we investigate, they will have a shell company that owns a jet. And so if you type in, if you go to the FAA flight registry, that's the federal aviation administration, there's a search page and you can type in the names of churches and ministries.And if you were to type in world air H E I R you'll find, I believe [00:51:00] two jets and that company is headed up by Creflo dollar. So he has two aircraft and a shell company.De'Vannon: So why not put those aircraft? I hear it, you know, under the church's name because, so are they his, or they belong to the church? Barry: I am not clear on it. Some cases the church or ministry can own the, the shell company. It can be a related entity and typically in a 990, they will list related organizations at the very end.But again, if a church is not disclosing and as a shell company, you wouldn't know about it years ago, ed young, Jr. He is the pastor of fellowship church in grapevine, Texas. His [00:52:00] he had a jet registered to a shell company and I don't even remember the name of it. It was a really obscure name. It's not something that you'd think of and just type in a search engine from what I remember.But so I mean, some of them, they don't want their donors to know that they live extravagantly, that they have a jet. That's just something. If the members know it, they may not be as inclined to get. De'Vannon: Well, I'm thankful for your website, because as I said, at the beginning of this interview, we have our opinions, but what I want the world to do is to make your own opinion.You know, you've got to do your own research, pray about it and see, and stop going to these churches. Does it giving them blind trust? No matter how cute they are, how flashy the worship is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If that let them hit. And the ties you, you know, and do your research and have your head in the game.So he'll song that is going to be the last thing we're going to talk about during this interview. We're going to have to [00:53:00] have you back on again. I love how the conversation has gone. I love how so full of knowledge you are and how that sparked his lights up in you. I believe Sarah, you are assuming you identify, you know, Sri.I hate to, I don't like to use a lot of servers and ma'am sometimes they slip out, but you know, I feel like you are. Doing exactly what you were put on this earth to do like your energy, you feel perfectly centered, balanced, and aligned. And would you agree? Barry: There's a verse in Ephesians that I'm going to paraphrase.It sent, I believe it's, five about exposing sin, bring it to the light and its true nature is revealed. I believe this verse justifies Christian investigative reporting. And I believe that Christian journalists, Christian media can play a powerful role in exposing sin in Christianity and calling for [00:54:00]greater transparency and accountability that accountability.So it really is a mission and a mission from God to expose this kind of fraud that send the body of Christ and extravagant lifestyles and other. De'Vannon: And you have to be very, very strong. The did your line of work because you know, people like that, a very rich and powerful, and they're not accustomed to being accountable.Nobody around them is challenging them or anything like that in that used to being told no. So you have a lot of forces working against you, you know, and to get up, you know, and to go to work every day and a dude with a smile on your face, you know, with the, with the grace that you have led to me know that God is with you because.I know another thing, a lot of high circles, you are not celebrated, you know, you serve, I make, can I call you, sir? Is that appropriately? [00:55:00] You know, you, sir are not celebrated a lot of the enemy, right. As am I, but you know what I'm, I want to be a friend of, you know, the people who don't have the people who are trying to figure it out.Do you know? And things like that, you know, I've been homeless before. I've been to jail a bunch of times I got felonies and stuff like that, you know, in a lot of that happened because I didn't have knowledge and I'm not going to let that happen to someone else. And neither are you. Everything you're doing is about knowledge and empowering the individual to know what they're getting themselves into.So Hillsong church now y'all this year, the scandal that is ongoing Hillsong church. I didn't know this till I saw that documentary. They got all these campuses worldwide. I didn't know. I knew about the campus in Austria. But I didn't know about all of this other shit they got going on. So this is evolving.So tell us Barry about their limited liability corporation setup. Barry: Well [00:56:00] in the course of investigations, when a church becomes really popular there, my curiosity guides me. And so when a church gets really popular, I'll just take a quick look at them just to see what's up. Do they have related companies?Things like that, do they have they're on an aircraft? So, I mean, I'll go to the FAA website, looking for Hillsong aircraft, never found any, as far as I know, they don't own any. They do use charter aircraft. There's a company in Australia. They use, I don't remember the name, but in the case of Hillsong well let me back up.There's a company called visit pedia and Busia PDF is a business. Corporations search site, you can find out a company, if they're registered in different states, things like that. And you can search by name of company, name of officers and [00:57:00] address. And so visit PDF is a key website in my investigative arsenal when I do investigations.So I go there and type in Hillsong. And I discover that they are red. They've got a number of listings in Virginia, for example, Virginia companies. Well then from there, I go to the Virginia secretary of state website and it was puzzling to me because I discovered a number of their churches were registered as limited liability companies.Now, what is a big trend in business? Is that companies will separate assets and they'll use limited liability companies to protect those assets. There's less people to suit that way. For example, if you have a church with a business of, [00:58:00] with a, with a a board of directors, like Lakewood church, if you Sue the church, you could end up suing all six board members.In the case of suing a Hillsong church in the U S like Hillsong NYC, LLC, that's seal you'll saw in New York city, you may have one or two managers listed. They don't have a full board of directors. And so it limits how many people get sued. Also it limits how many people have accountant can provide accountability.If you've got one manager who are they accountable to? It's a big. So I actually asked a person that worked for the IRS. If this was legal. I was curious and he said, yes, it is. He wish it wasn't. But a lot of churches are creating shell companies. These limited [00:59:00] liability companies to hold the asset of the building.So their property will be put in an LLC. So if the church is sued, if they have a judgment against the church, then you don't have to lose all their assets. Just the one that was involved in the the legal issue. So this has become a standard practice. So in, in the course of investigating were do two things well, more than that, but two of the big things is we're trying to follow the power.I'm trying to follow the money, follow the power. I mean, by that. Find out, identify who the key decision makers are. So that's why you look for a board of directors and that's, and for incorporated organizations for LLCs, they have articles of organization, not incorporation, they're not a corporation and it will list their [01:00:00] typically list, their manager on these documents.So then after we find out, identify their, their company or organization names, then we can dig even deeper into property searches to find assets. And in the state of Arizona, I did a search and I found a large number of property listings and P H X holdings is a company that Hillsong set up and, and Maricopa county Arizona.To hold property. And so when you see a large number of property listings, it can be a little misleading. So some of these are multiple lots property, lots that make up a parking lot, multiple lots to make up a large building. They even have some vacant lots. [01:01:00] There, there are no pro no buildings on them for maybe future expansion, but they have 30, I think, 31 listings and or did at one time in Maricopa county.So, and that was for two of their large churches also. That was where Hillsong college was. I think they're going to be moving it to California in the future, but so those are some of the things that I discovered in the course of examining Hillsong Hillsong is a very. Personality driven church.It's famous for its worship teams. They have multiple Hillsong worship teams. One's Hillsong United and there's Hillsong young and free. They've sold, I believe over 20 million albums worldwide. So that they're well-known for their worship songs that are sung in a lot of churches and are played on Christian radio.[01:02:00] But in the United States Carl Lentz was pastor of Hillsong NYC in New York city and he became like a celebrity. He developed relationships with actors, singers people like Justin Bieber and got a lot of media attention for it. And people would flock to their churches. It'd be like going to a rock concert.There was a sex scandal there. He had an affair cheated on his wife was fired. We believe he's being rehabilitated. We think he's going to be possibly leading a church in Florida and soon that spelt created with arc association of related churches. There's nothing been disclosed yet, as far as I know, but that's what [01:03:00] it looks like.But Hillsong was founded in Australia. I believe you previously mentioned that. Frank Houston, the father of Brian Houston was involved in the assemblies of God. A well-known leader in that denomination in Australia and Brian started an independent church that he left the assemblies of God.And this is a common thing. When you leave certain denominations, you can have less accountability. Brian's dad, Frank sexually abused some boys, and this has become a big scandal. So, and certain for certain crimes, a [01:04:00] pastor as called a mandatory reporter. If they learn of specific crimes, they're reported, they're required to report them to law enforcement.And that would be, if you learn about a murder or you learn about certain sex crimes you have to report it and he failed to report his own. I mean, I would be the first admit that would be very difficult, but it's the right thing to do. And because he failed to do it it ended up being litigation and finally an investigation.And so we're waiting to see what the sentence will be. He could serve jail time and Australia for that. When you look at Virginia, the secretary of state website, and when you look in some of the other websites, you'll notice that Hillsong had a number of companies and we're going back to what we've mentioned earlier.They have a Hillsong music as one of their companies. [01:05:00] They had a Hillsong channel was, was that a TV channel right now. It's I don't think it's on cable anywhere, or maybe you have, it is it's maybe just an Australia. They have a streaming channel online, but they, they were previously in a relationship with TBN and that ended TBN handled the, the broadcast cable infrastructure for Hillsong channel and that's gone away heal song.There there's so much money that can be made from this and it can be traced. Some of these decisions can be traced to Carl Lentz. His dad Stephen Lintz was an attorney he worked for on pat Robertson many years ago. He taught various courses classes at Regent university [01:06:00] and he wrote a book, the business of church.And in this church, he invited. Pastors on issues like copyright and how to protect assets, the limited liability companies. And so, I mean, he advises pastors that if you can actually own the copyright for your sermons, your intellectual property, and then license it to the church. So I mean the church that I grew up in, if somebody wanted to buy a copy of a sermon years ago, they could get an on a cassette tape or CD for a dollar or two.I mean, the church wasn't interested in making money from it. It would just cover their costs. But now they're, they're, they're doing licensing of this content. They can put it on a website behind a paywall, for example, and you can become a subscriber to listen to their sermons. Now, some [01:07:00]churches put it up there for.Some people post to YouTube, et cetera, but sometimes they'll turn their sermon series into a book that can have a ghost writer, listen to the sermons and write a book. So there's this business. And so in the course of Hillsong, they're mimicking the business world. It's like the church is becoming a business and there there's some interesting Bible verses about this.And second Peter chapter two, verse three Peter's talking about false teachers that would be in the church. And he said that if you read this in the king James version, it says that these teachers, they will make merchandise of you. They have turned the church into a market. It's no different than when Jesus entered the temple many years ago and threw out the money [01:08:00] changers.So what happened in the temple? They would do sacrifices. And if you didn't have a sacrifice, if you traveled to Jerusalem from far away, you may not have been able to bring an animal to sacrifice. So you'd buy one. So they were selling sheep at the temple. They turned it into a marketplace and Jesus throughout the money changers.So if you read that same verse second, Peter two verse three, and like the new living translation, it says something like this in their greed, they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. It's one of my favorite verses about religious frog. De'Vannon: You ain't lying. And you know, the thing is, you know, while they're trying to.Judge, you know, my community for not being straight, calling us all pedophiles and stuff like that. You know, they themselves are found within these pages, in my opinion, much more clear verbiage [01:09:00] and wording than what they try to use to condemn me because I don't identify as straight. I heard what you said about how they get a ghost writer to listen to their sermons and write a book.I'm so glad you said that because I had read one of Joel hostings book. When I was still a member there and I was like, I read through it. And I was like, gosh, I got a sworn. I heard this like in a sermon before. And you know, and so I knew that what the kids, so there's like a system. Okay. So if you write a different sermon most weeks, what, most weeks out of the year, that that could be how they keep pooping out these books again.And again, and again, every time you write a little sermon, you put them together, you got another book, another best seller. So then you're not necessarily getting totally fresh content with, with each of these books. It's just got a different cover on it. A few little shallow ass personal stories that make it feel like they're being authentic and vulnerable [01:10:00] with you.And really they're not. And and shit like that. So you just validated me. I'm like, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.So, okay, so we're going to end this first interview here, people out there listening, you know, you've heard what Barry and I've had to say, and this is only the beginning. We're going to do this again. You can go over to the leaving hill song podcasts with Tanya Levine and listen to more of what Barry has to say.You can also go to the discovery plus app or discovery channel plus app. However the fuck you say it and find the Hillsong documentary there. And that, that motherfuck is full of some spicy hot tea. I was clutching my pearls, rip them off, had to go buy a new set and come back again. I watched all three of those one hour episodes twice, and I'm going to watch them again [01:11:00] because I've got some interviews coming up with some people from off the documentary that I was fortunate enough to land.So Mary, thank you so much for coming on this first time. You're you already well-traveled of knowledge like. You're a river, a river like deep well of information. I love how invested you are in what you do. And you have true joy for your calling. And not a lot of people can say that. Do you have any last words for the world today?Barry: Can't think of anythingDe'Vannon: so you don't have to because it will be talking again. So y'all his name is Barry Bowen. You want me to tell them your Twitter handle or that you can? Okay. So he's on Twitter. He's simply at Berry Bowen. He likes to keep things, you know, easiest, simple. Now the website, we can get all the tea and the information is a Trinity F I bad org, which stands for Trinity foundation [01:12:00]international for short.So just tryna FII that org, it will all go into showing notes of blessings upon you all. Thank you, Barry. And everyone listen out for the second installment of this conversation. Thank you for coming on the show today.Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you can find more information and resources at sex, drugs, and jesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.My name is De'Vannon and it's been wonderful being your host today and just remember that everything is going to be all right. 

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What does J.D. Vance's primary win teach us about the Trump Effect? ... Will the overturning of Roe give Democrats a boost in the midterms? ... The Hillary Clinton campaign's role in amping up Russiagate ... Bob: A cornered Putin is a scarier Putin ... Doing the nuclear war math ... Can Putin take Odessa and Kharkiv? ... Taylor Lorenz tangles with Matt Drudge ... A new study shows that Omicron is not intrinsically milder than the original Covid virus ... Some quick corrections ... The Biden administration's ill-advised Ukraine leaks ... Parrot Room preview: Elon Musk talk, Station Eleven, Severance, the latest January 6 leak, Bob gets a classic Michael McFaul brush-off, the White House Correspondents Dinner, Gavin Newsom, unjustified deplatforming, WNYC's Dead End podcast, and Roe v. Wade ...

* Abortion has caused Biden to be "born again" on God-given "natural rights", a concept he has disdained his entire political career. Is his testimony phony?* "It's the economy, stupid"? Maybe it's the stupid economy. Interest rates pop. Home mortgage rate is the same as it was in 1960. But how does the interest paid on savings accounts compare?* "Ministry of Truth" and "Ministry of Love" weren't united in Orwell, but they are under "Miss Information", Nina Jank* PayPal is now weaponized against independent news — by whom?* Women not coming back into the workforce after lockdown. Here's why…* Church resurrects dead school in Loudon County, VA — epicenter of the parent vs school board fights. But can the church resurrect the family? TOPICS by SEGMENTSegment 1*"Ministry of Truth" and "Ministry of Love" weren't united in Orwell, but they are under "Miss Information", Nina Jank* PayPal Weaponized Against #FreeSpeech— but by whom? Matt Tiabbi, includes yours truly in his account of what PayPal is doing to attack independent media financiallySegment 2 begins approximately 00:32:26* Psaki says the new Ministry of Truth is just a continuation of CISA. Here's what CISA is about, and why Aaron Swartz died trying to stop it* Taylor Lorenz steps in it again — this time lying that Drudge is harassing her. Most interestingly, Matt Drudge gets personally involved. Here's what I know about DrudgeSegment 3 begins approximately 00:50:30* China demands Statue of Liberty be removed from film. Sony considers, but declines* Abortion has caused Biden to be "born again" on God-given "natural rights", a concept he has disdained his entire political career. Is his testimony phony?* FLASHBACK >>> Nine years ago, on the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade, Ginsberg, the icon of leftists and feminists, TRASHED the left's idea about Roe. And there was ANOTHER zinger about a prior abortion case she had been counsel* Interest rates raised by Fed 50 basis point (half a percent)* Republican Rick Scott (FL) is angry that low income people "don't have skin the game" on income tax. It begs the question — WHY DO WE HAVE AN INCOME TAX when it's irrelevant to the deficit and the deficit is irrelevant to politicians?Segment 4 begins approximately 01:05:09* Parental groups push back against Biden telling teachers that children are theirs, brag that they are NOT surrendering their children and not co-parenting. They are WRONG * Kirk Cameron, new documentary on the JOY of homeschooling * The Hill to Die On — For Our Children. Will we die on the hill trying to reform schools? Or will we enjoy the time God has given us with our children to have a deeper relationship as we train them? Will churches help parents or will churches seek to replace parents?Segment 5 begins approximately 01:30:56* Surprise Trump endorsement in Indiana. Both Left and Right are ignoring his real influence* Citizen group, 607 Predator Hunters, catches child predator who is also News Director for NBC's WETM in NY. He says they hate gaysSegment 6 begins approximately 01:48:09* CLIP Comedian JonTron spoofs mainstream disinfo* Musk's Twitter purchase will need a little help from his friends — will his PayPal pals pay?* Musk is attacked by the usual suspects funded by Soros, allied with Clinton. What are they demanding?* While Naomi Judd's suicide is in the news, Vermont legalizes remote prescription of assisted suicide drugs* Op-ed repeats Puritan's advice to pastors — "I speak as a dying man to dying men" Segment 7 begins approximately 02:11:42* "It's the economy, stupid"? Maybe it's the stupid economy. Or the stupid arrogance of Biden and his command economy and sanctions* Women not coming back into the workforce after lockdown. Here's why… * Home mortgage rate is the same as it was in 1960. But how does the interest paid on savings accounts compare?Segment 8 begins approximately 02:31:17Listener questionsInflation is already pushing up Real Estate Property Taxes! Segment 9 begins approximately 02:42:24* NOT SATIRE: VICE pushes horse medication as DIY abortion concoction* Elizabeth Warren goes on war path about Roe hysterically (in BOTH senses of the word) screaming* Hollywood celebrities plumb the depths of hypocrisy on Roe v Masks and Roe v Vaccines* PBS reporter astonished that pregnancies turn into children. But she pushes the Molech argument for abortionFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughZelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at:  $davidknightshowBTC to:  bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Mail: David Knight POB 1323 Elgin, TX 78621

* Abortion has caused Biden to be "born again" on God-given "natural rights", a concept he has disdained his entire political career. Is his testimony phony?* "It's the economy, stupid"? Maybe it's the stupid economy. Interest rates pop. Home mortgage rate is the same as it was in 1960. But how does the interest paid on savings accounts compare?* "Ministry of Truth" and "Ministry of Love" weren't united in Orwell, but they are under "Miss Information", Nina Jank* PayPal is now weaponized against independent news — by whom?* Women not coming back into the workforce after lockdown. Here's why…* Church resurrects dead school in Loudon County, VA — epicenter of the parent vs school board fights. But can the church resurrect the family? TOPICS by SEGMENTSegment 1*"Ministry of Truth" and "Ministry of Love" weren't united in Orwell, but they are under "Miss Information", Nina Jank* PayPal Weaponized Against #FreeSpeech— but by whom? Matt Tiabbi, includes yours truly in his account of what PayPal is doing to attack independent media financiallySegment 2 begins approximately 00:32:26* Psaki says the new Ministry of Truth is just a continuation of CISA. Here's what CISA is about, and why Aaron Swartz died trying to stop it* Taylor Lorenz steps in it again — this time lying that Drudge is harassing her. Most interestingly, Matt Drudge gets personally involved. Here's what I know about DrudgeSegment 3 begins approximately 00:50:30* China demands Statue of Liberty be removed from film. Sony considers, but declines* Abortion has caused Biden to be "born again" on God-given "natural rights", a concept he has disdained his entire political career. Is his testimony phony?* FLASHBACK >>> Nine years ago, on the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade, Ginsberg, the icon of leftists and feminists, TRASHED the left's idea about Roe. And there was ANOTHER zinger about a prior abortion case she had been counsel* Interest rates raised by Fed 50 basis point (half a percent)* Republican Rick Scott (FL) is angry that low income people "don't have skin the game" on income tax. It begs the question — WHY DO WE HAVE AN INCOME TAX when it's irrelevant to the deficit and the deficit is irrelevant to politicians?Segment 4 begins approximately 01:05:09* Parental groups push back against Biden telling teachers that children are theirs, brag that they are NOT surrendering their children and not co-parenting. They are WRONG * Kirk Cameron, new documentary on the JOY of homeschooling * The Hill to Die On — For Our Children. Will we die on the hill trying to reform schools? Or will we enjoy the time God has given us with our children to have a deeper relationship as we train them? Will churches help parents or will churches seek to replace parents?Segment 5 begins approximately 01:30:56* Surprise Trump endorsement in Indiana. Both Left and Right are ignoring his real influence* Citizen group, 607 Predator Hunters, catches child predator who is also News Director for NBC's WETM in NY. He says they hate gaysSegment 6 begins approximately 01:48:09* CLIP Comedian JonTron spoofs mainstream disinfo* Musk's Twitter purchase will need a little help from his friends — will his PayPal pals pay?* Musk is attacked by the usual suspects funded by Soros, allied with Clinton. What are they demanding?* While Naomi Judd's suicide is in the news, Vermont legalizes remote prescription of assisted suicide drugs* Op-ed repeats Puritan's advice to pastors — "I speak as a dying man to dying men" Segment 7 begins approximately 02:11:42* "It's the economy, stupid"? Maybe it's the stupid economy. Or the stupid arrogance of Biden and his command economy and sanctions* Women not coming back into the workforce after lockdown. Here's why… * Home mortgage rate is the same as it was in 1960. But how does the interest paid on savings accounts compare?Segment 8 begins approximately 02:31:17Listener questionsInflation is already pushing up Real Estate Property Taxes! Segment 9 begins approximately 02:42:24* NOT SATIRE: VICE pushes horse medication as DIY abortion concoction* Elizabeth Warren goes on war path about Roe hysterically (in BOTH senses of the word) screaming* Hollywood celebrities plumb the depths of hypocrisy on Roe v Masks and Roe v Vaccines* PBS reporter astonished that pregnancies turn into children. But she pushes the Molech argument for abortionFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughZelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at:  $davidknightshowBTC to:  bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Mail: David Knight POB 1323 Elgin, TX 78621