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Traci Peterson, a coach and advocate for high-performing women and their daughters, shares insights on reframing negative labels, nurturing self-trust, and passing empowering lessons to the next generation. Discover Traci's seven “woman lessons” that help women overcome self-criticism, become more present, and truly celebrate their unique gifts. Whether you're a mom or simply seeking more confidence, this conversation will spark lasting growth.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Transforming negative labels into empowering strengths.Creating supportive communication between moms and daughters.Building and maintaining boundaries to prioritize well-being.Shifting from external validation to owning personal gifts and values.Embracing body acceptance as part of self-trust and personal growth.Breaking cycles of self-doubt to inspire confidence across generations.Episode References/Links:Traci Peterson Website - https://tracipeterson.comTraci Peterson Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tpeteTraci's Energy Generator Guide – https://beitpod.com/energyeneratorThe Woman Lessons Podcast – https://beitpod.com/womanlessonspodMother Daughter Movement Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/motherdaughtermovementEp. 376: Jenny Schatzel - https://beitpod.com/ep376Guest Bio:Traci Peterson is an international speaker, highly sought after trainer, board certified family nurse practitioner, Founder and CEO of Elevate Wellness & Aesthetics and has been awarded #1 Top Team Builder in 50 Countries with Amare, for outstanding leadership and long-term team retention. She hosts mother daughter retreats called Woman Lessons; for high performing women and their daughters between 9-12 to help them overcome self criticism by looking inward and upward for validation. With collective medical, wellness and aesthetics industry experience of 15+ years, Traci speaks on topics she regularly covers on her Podcast Woman Lessons: How to Be and raise a truly confident woman—focusing on overcoming comparison, eliminating self-criticism, identifying your divine gifts, learning to love yourself, lean on God as you're raising the next generation of leaders. Traci believes in living a fulfilled life of purpose-- not just external achievements. She prides herself in mastering her roles as a mother, wife, leader and woman of faith. She leads by example in all she teaches. 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DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Traci Peterson 0:00  I think that the labels oftentimes, that we're given, can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional, no, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them.Lesley Logan 0:24  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Okay, loves. I'm going to keep this intro short and sweet, because we have a great interview that runs a little longer than our normal ones do, and that is with Traci Peterson. Basically, it's women lessons, and whether you're a mom or not, I do think you're going to get so much out of this, because we have this really open conversation about women, what do we need to know about ourselves? How do we need to be prioritizing ourselves? What does that look like? And then for those who are moms with daughters, how do we teach that to the next generation? And so if you're not a childearing woman or you don't have a child that you're raising, hi, I see you. I still got so much listening to this episode and being in it, and I really hope it's helpful for you, and also please share it with a friend who needs it. All right. Here is Traci Peterson. All right, Be Ii babe, this is gonna be just a delightful combo, because we already have spent time talking before we hit record. Tracy Peterson is our guest today, and she is a dear friend who I was introduced through you Jessica Papineau. Pretty sure she introduced us and then we got to hug each other in real life in Nashville multiple times as part of an amazing group of BBG, but Traci, you have this wonderful mission. And I hear a lot of people's missions, but whenever you say what your mission is, I 100% believe it will happen the way you desire it to happen. I can feel it in your bones. It doesn't feel fake, it doesn't feel forced. It feels so like it's coming from you in such an authentic place. So why don't you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at? Traci Peterson 2:31  Yes, oh my gosh, you're just the sweetest. And I wish I could just give you a big old squeeze right now. Yes. So my mission, what I'm here to do is to help high-performing women and their daughters between the ages of nine and 12 to overcome self-criticism by looking inward and upward for their validation. And all of this started was because I didn't necessarily have that. I think from the outside looking in, people can look at somebody who seems really confident, who seems like they have their life together, they have all the accolades, they have all the accomplishments. But what I am here to tell you is most of the time those women are some of the most insecure people, because I was one, and I have moments where I am one still, and I just got really clear that there were just some patterns of thinking, some of it was generational, and I just hit a point where I knew I didn't want that for myself, but more than not wanting it for myself, I didn't want that for my daughter, and that's when I knew things had to change, and it really all came to a head when my daughter, she's 11 now, she was nine at the time, she came to me, while she didn't come to me, it was just regular after school, you know, hustle and bustle, I was standing at the counter doing dishes or at the sink, she was sitting at the counter and I was doing dishes, and I remember her vividly saying, at the ripe old age of nine years old, Mom, can we do woman lessons? And I was like, woman lesson. Sure. What do you want to know? I'm a woman. We can do lessons. What does that mean to you? And she said, Lesley, so thoughtfully, and I will seriously remember this for the rest of my life. She sighed, and she paused, and she so thoughtfully, said, I need to learn how to put together an outfit. I want to learn how to do my makeup, and I need to learn how to cook. And I was like, that is so sweet. And then in my brain, that high-performing, hyperachieving perfectionist, people-pleasing woman was like, is that all that she thinks that a woman is? Is it what we look like and what we do? And then I was like, is that all that I'm modeling for her to be? And that's when I started getting introspective. And I was like, what are those lessons? What are those things that I want her to learn sooner than I did, to save her the suffering, the struggle, the self-criticism, the self-judgment, the judgment of others, the self-doubt, the people-pleasing, like I want her to learn all of those things earlier so that she can avoid some of that pain that I had to go through. So that's really where it all got started. Lesley Logan 5:22  I think it's like, I don't have any children, but the people around us mirror things to us, even if they're not your child. Like people say things and then the way you respond, and then you're like, hold on, what am I putting off there? Like, how did that happen? And I think we can be curious about that. And it's really cool that your curiosity led you to kind of going, okay, what can we do here? And how can we do this? And I guess it's been two years since that conversation. I want to hear a little bit more about what that has turned into in these two years. But then also, it's kind of hard to start something from scratch.Traci Peterson 5:53  Totally. Lesley Logan 5:54  To have a big vision, and then to start it from scratch. So tell us a little bit, what did that curiosity in your mind, of like, what could this be for her? What did that turn into? And then a little bit of your mindset about how it's going. Traci Peterson 6:04  Yeah, no, that's such a great question. What it turned into in that moment? And I called those one minute moments, because I feel like, just like you said, our children are our little mirrors. They are. They're just mirroring and reflecting back to us where we're at. And little did I know at that time that I needed woman lessons. I needed her to ask me that question, to remind myself and to take just a moment to think how far I've come and what I've learned up until that point. And then what legacy do I want to leave behind when I'm not here. And so I really started getting introspective. And I said what are those lessons that I had to learn? And some of them I had to learn the hard way. Most of the time we have to learn, you know, things the hard way. And so I created, and I came up with these seven woman lessons to look inward and upward for your validation. So you're not finding your value or your worth or your validation from any other person than from yourself and from your relationship with your Creator. And for me, that's God. So my relationship with God, my relationship with myself, that should be paramount. That should be first and foremost who I look to for guidance, right? And so the seven woman lessons that I organized is remember who you are and whose you are, gratitude grounds, own your divine gift, be selfmore, not selfless, you are more than your body, community counts, and live in your potential. Those are the themes as a woman that I had to go through to get to that point of where I was in my life, and I still need to be reminded of those every single day in my life, throughout the course of my life. And then it just started this big vision of what I really wanted to create, and so I wanted to create this container for mothers and daughters where they could come and personally develop together. Because I feel like, to your point of our children being little mirrors and other people being little mirrors of ourselves, I feel like mothers are so well-intentioned, but we inadvertently project our insecurities onto our daughters. Lesley Logan 8:26  Oh yes, and my mom is probably listening, so yes, Mom, you did. And it's okay, because your mom did it to you.Traci Peterson 8:36  And I think that that's the whole point, right? It's like we all inadvertently project our insecurities onto that next generation. The way that we avoid that is by constantly progressing. It's constantly being reminded and working on remembering who you are divinely, who God created you to be. It's working on owning your divine gifts and not comparing them with other people, just being more of an observer, right? You don't need to personalize and internalize those things, because, you know, women, we oftentimes tend to compare ourselves to others, and so it's just sitting. Lesley Logan 9:15  And we compare ourselves, sorry to cut you off, we compare ourselves because our parents compared us to others. She's being quiet. She's not bragging, and I don't think it was on purpose to be negative or harmful. It's like trying to set an example so that we could be better humans. But in doing that, it creates a comparison. Oh, I do need to be more quiet like Sally is, and I need to study more like Mary does, and I need to be more clean like my sister is, and so you just become I gotta be all of the things. But I love that. It's like owning your own divine gifts and observing others allows us to go, I'm so good at this, and they're so good at that, and I need that so I can just ask them for help.Traci Peterson 9:56  Yes. Lesley Logan 9:56  I don't need to learn that. Traci Peterson 9:58  Yeah. And you know that I think, Lesley, that also comes back to this idea of oftentimes, we also objectify our children, right? Because they're a reflection, at least as parents, we think that they're a reflection of our parenting, they're a reflection of who we are. We're either a good parent or a bad parent, depending on what our children choose or depending on how our children turn out, when, in reality, I believe that our goal should be, as a parent, is helping our child who came pre-wired and pre-determined with certain divine gifts, helping them discover that divine gift, to multiply that divine gift, magnify that divine gift and use that gift in the service of others. And their divine gift isn't what yours is. They're not just going to be this little mini version of yourself and walk in your footsteps and do as you did. And I think that's where true confidence comes from. It's a self assurance. And it's a self trust. And the only way you get to that point is when you help mentor them into their own self trust. And by saying this character trait about you is so unique and it's so special to you, and I love that you're not like so and so I love that you're not like your brother doing this and that, right? And it reminds me of a time, well, ever since I was really, really young, I was celebrated for just some natural leadership abilities that I had, where, even as little as third grade I remember, like, giving speeches and leading tours at my school for superintendent heads of education, and that carried on until I was student body president. I got elected student body president my ninth grade year, and I remember being so excited and walking up behind my group of friends. I'm making air quotes, if you're listening to the podcast, I'm making air quotes my group of friends, and they didn't know that I was there. And I remember walking up to them and hearing them say, Traci thinks she's so great. I didn't even vote for her, anyway. I don't think she's so this and so that, which just ripped me wide open. And I remember going home looking for solace, looking for empathy, right? Even sympathy. And I remember going to my mom and saying hey Mom, why do these girls not like me? Why do these girls have a hard time with me? They're supposed to be my friends. And she said to me, well, we've been talking, and you're too bossy, you're too confident, you're too loud, and it makes people feel uncomfortable. Lesley Logan 12:41  Oh and oh, I'm like, I'm heartbroken for you, because she just validated what they said and not.Traci Peterson 12:47  Yes and didn't validate my divine gifts that I was celebrated for all through growing up. Right? I was celebrated for being, quote, bossy, which I feel like is getting stuff done being a master delegator. Lesley Logan 13:02  Well, they always call girls bossy and they call a boy leader. So that's just the thing. Traci Peterson 13:06  Right? Lesley Logan 13:07  You know, there are bossy people out there. My sister, sorry, Lacey, you are listening, was a little bit of a bossy person, but she was like, nope, I'm in charge. And there's ways of coaching. Like, hey, the way you said that, it's a little bit, we love the leadership role you're trying to take. There's other ways to say the same thing. But oh, oh my God, that's so hard.Traci Peterson 13:26  I know so hard, because that's the thing you can move people into action. And this thing that I was celebrated for, I was so confused in that moment as this 14-year-old girl, right? Like, wait a minute. So all of these divine gifts that I've been celebrated for up until this point, something's wrong with them, which means something's wrong with me, which means now it's my job to make other people feel comfortable. The thing that those girls were saying or thinking about me matters more than what I feel and think about myself. And so that sort of perpetuated, you know, this.Lesley Logan 14:08  Instant insecurity. Traci Peterson 14:09  Instant. Lesley Logan 14:10  Thank you for sharing this story. I mean, it's those little things. And look, no one is perfect, so I'm not here to, like, game up on your mom, but it's the, it's just those little moments of just a different way of saying something could have changed everything. But since that went that way, coming full circle to when your daughter was like, I want to do women lessons, and you're like, that's what you think. Am I doing that? I think all of us, women, even the most confident ones, have moments of insecurity, because it's, you know, it's the thing that you are so worried that people are going to say, I worry so much as a writer about my grammar. And of course, the first negative comment I got on my book was like, this is a great book, but the poor punctuation was distracting. It took me 48 hours of just like hearing that in my head over and over again to finally get angry enough to go it's a good thing I'm not an English major teaching you English. This book is about Pilates business. So take the business stuff out of it. And, you know, add your commas where you need to.Traci Peterson 15:03  And isn't that crazy that that is natural, human nature, that we don't hold on to the 15,000 positive comments, (inaudible) but one. One negative.Lesley Logan 15:14  Yes, we do. We totally do that. This is the story that you remember about your freshman year. I'm sure there was all these other great people around who were not your in air quotes, friends, because whatever, there's people by you, but they voted for you. We don't remember that those people voted for you, or that those people like that you were bossy and a leader and all these things. It's, we do hang on to that, and there's scientific reasons for this, but it is something that I'm sure that I listen to those seven things we're talking about with being this divine woman. If you and your mother-daughter movement can actually teach the moms this help them with their own insecurities, then the way they raise their daughters can actually change. And to go, you know, not everyone's gonna like you. That's okay, because not everyone's gonna like this gift you have. But the only way to say that is to be able to own your own gifts and know that not everyone's gonna like you.Traci Peterson 16:03  Yes, yes. And that's exactly it. All that I wish, all that I wish, looking back, that I wish you would have done in that moment, is to say, oh, Trace, I'm so sorry. That can be so hard when people say things like that. But listen, not everybody is going to understand your gifts and celebrate them. Those are not your people. Those are not your people. And I promise you that as you step into those gifts, as you develop them, as you multiply them, as you magnify them, your people will be attracted to you, and those will be your people. It may be a lonely road, and you may only have just a super small group of people that get you, but hold on to those people, because they get you, but not everybody will. And that's okay. That's okay. And just know I get you. I see your gifts. God sees your gifts, because he gave those to you and he entrusted you with those. Go and shine them bright for other people, but not everybody is your people, and that's okay. And it took me, Lesley, until I was 35 years old, to find my people. It took me until I was 35 I mean, 20 years. Lesley Logan 17:12  You know what? Here's the thing. That to me, sounds normal. I listen to (inaudible) podcast. It's like a Q&A podcast. And I'm sure there's other podcasts that are like this. I've even heard on (inaudible), the women who write in, who talk about the friend that they've had forever who's causing problems with the wedding that they want to have or where they want to have it. And she's like, you know, we don't have to keep people around forever. This friend doesn't sound like a friend if they're getting mad about these things. And it's this weird, interesting thing where we think we have to keep the friends we had forever, and there's something wrong with us if we didn't. But to me, if you found your people at 35 that's freaking cool, because first of all, our frontal part of our brain doesn't even develop you guys until you're in your early 20s. So yeah, that's another episode to talk about. Our children, actually adults at 18, because the brain doesn't develop till it so that was nine years of having this full brain and figuring out who you are and finding those people. I think that's really cool, because I moved several times. I moved to go to college, and I had to find people, and I didn't ever really felt like I belonged there. Then I moved again to LA, and I worked at this really cool place, and I had great acquaintances who I hung out with, but I never really felt like I could tell them everything. And then, after five years of dating this one guy, when I broke up with him, I lost everyone, lost everyone, and I was 30 years old, couch surfing off clients and like acquaintances couches, but that's when I learned who my people were, the people who opened up doors for me, people who didn't think I was crazy for leaving someone who wasn't right for me, the people like the fact that I lost friends who weren't even his friends when I left him, I was like, oh, you just liked inviting the couple over. You didn't actually like the me. And so I have some amazing, badass women who are in my life that I met between 32 and 41. So I hope that if when listening, you're hearing that that trace and I were like 30 something before we found good people. And so if you're like, I'm alone, and you're in that 30 to something, 40 range, your people are out there. They're also waiting to find you, and they want someone who sees their gifts, and they want to see your gifts. You talked about knowing who you are, right? So to create this mother daughter movement, what did you do for yourself? Because I guess, like even coming up with these lessons, what did you have to learn about yourself to know what you learned? Traci Peterson 19:39  Yeah, that's a really good question. And I think because right around that age of 35 is when I really stepped into entrepreneurship. So I really had to get over what people thought of me, because you have to consider like, up until that point, I was, like, a total people-pleaser, right? And so I went to school, I got a master's degree I was a nurse practitioner, like really accomplished in a lot of different things, sing the national anthem at sporting events, outward accolades to try to find my worth, because I had this whole big thinking that something was wrong with me, right? So I had to collect all these accolades in order to try to make me feel like I had value, or I was worthy of it, or that I felt like I was enough, like that I was good enough. And so it really started when I stepped into entrepreneurship. Because when you step into entrepreneurship and just putting yourself out there, even from a sales perspective, you really have to develop patterns and habits and systems and structure. And that's really when I stepped into personal development a lot. And I didn't even know the personal development world even existed, which is crazy, like at 35 being, you know, having, like, a master's degree and being educated. I had no idea. And I had to just really stop caring what they said. You know, I think the they in our lives can really derail our lives if we allow them to. Because it's like, what will they say? What will they think? And it's like, who are the they anyway? Lesley Logan 21:15  That is the best question. Who are the they, because if you can actually give the they a name, you actually realize that person's never gonna buy from me, that person's never gonna be my friend. So why do I care what they, that person, that specific person thinks? But we put a there and allows us to, like, procrastinate and figure out more things that are wrong with ourselves.Traci Peterson 21:35  Yeah, and what if the day was that one little editor who gave your opinion, you're like, well, wait a minute, that editor isn't even in my target audience. I don't even care, and he's not my person. You know? It really, truly doesn't matter. But when I got to this point, when I was laying out these woman lessons, some of them came to me pretty quickly, because actually, to my mother's credit, one thing that she did really teach me and teach me well was she always would say before I left the house, Tracy, remember who you are when I was young, young, young. She would say it. When I was running out the door with friends in high school. It's like, Tracy, remember who you are. And it was just that one minute moment that made me stop and think, who am I? Who do I want to be? Who am I becoming? She gave that to me. Even remember who you are as I was going off to college, right? Remember who you are as I went through a divorce. It was all of those things. Remember who you are. So that came really easy, the strategy that gratitude grounds you, that came through that entrepreneurial process. It's not living in the past and reliving some negative things that you don't have necessarily control over. It's not worrying about the future that you have very little to say with, like, oh my gosh, what it is to come, you can't foresee the future. So why live in an anxiety type mindset in the future? You just need to be grounded in gratitude in the present. And I think as high-performing women, sometimes we're always focusing on the future, because it's like, what's our next goal? What's our next accomplishment? What's the next thing we're working on? That when I talk with high-performing women, they're like, I just want to feel present. And I think that's probably what Pilates gives. You're finally grounded in your body, and you're living in the present moment. There's nothing in the past, there's nothing in the future. There's only the here and now. And that shifted everything, and it brings you in touch and in tune with your body, which I think a lot of times women get so disconnected from what their body is telling them that it just gives them a moment to do that. We talked about owning your divine gifts. That comes into that story that I shared with you is not wanting my gifts to be anybody else's. But I believe that sometimes those labels that we're given, whether we're given those by peers. I mean, we all know that one kid in school, right who said something about my thumbs like somebody said that I have ski jump thumbs. And so for years I walked around like, tucking my thumbs in. You know, it's like (inaudible). Lesley Logan 24:06  I forgot a girl called me a really terrible word name about my lips. So I walked around like this with my lips in. And my dad was like, what are you doing? Because I was walking around like this, and I told him, and the thing that he said back was also not great, so I couldn't repeat that to her either, so it wasn't helpful, but it's really funny, because it became such a thing that I was so conscious of, but it's that thing that everyone loves about me, so, like, it's this weird thing that people pick up on, oh my God. I worked at the store, and this guy came in to the store and goes, oh my God, you know who you look like? You look like Marilyn Manson, that's what he said to me. And I was like, okay, thanks. What do you say to that? Right? A year later, I'm having a really bad day. My AC broke in my car. I'm driving home. I'm in traffic, my windows rolled down, and this girl goes, oh my God, you look like Marilyn Manson, I swear to God. How is it even possible? Wasn't even possible when, also I got so many compliments about how beautiful I was all the time. But do I remember who told me I was beautiful? No. I only remember the girl in the car and this other person. And so it's this really funny thing, and we make ourselves smaller. You hide your thumbs. I hid my lips because of these weird labels people gave us that are not the labels we were actually born with, divinely given, and that we own, you know?Traci Peterson 25:28  Exactly. And I think that the labels oftentimes that we're given can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional. No, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them. Lesley Logan 25:54  We need expert marketers to take the labels. So I bet you between chatGPT and other thing. And the different thesauruses, everyone. We can come up with different labels with the thing that you have been told is your downfall, which is really the thing that you're so unique. The only reason people want you to take it down is because it's shining too bright. Traci Peterson 26:15  Yes, exactly. It's shining too bright. And something that I say is that the world sees your different as difficult, but God sees your different as divine. He gave you those beautiful, luscious lips for a reason, right? It's a defining characteristic of you. When I think of you, I think of your beautiful lips with your bright pink lip color, that is your uniqueness. That is part of I mean, I don't know if you think it is, but it is. It's a part of your brand. It's a part of who you are. And so the thing that somebody is labeling that makes you difficult or hard or different is actually what makes you unique and divine. And so working through some of those things. And just in the vein of the reframing, one of the most difficult lessons that I actually avoided putting in for a really long time, it's because it was a big behemoth. Nobody knows how to talk about it, and that was you're more than your body. And it probably is the one that was my biggest hurdle, my biggest sticking point, and I think it's because I had tackled and conquered and overcome all of the other things like be selfmore, not selfless. Is like making yourself a priority, becoming the biggest, best and brightest version of yourself, and not limiting yourself or playing small, right? It's identifying what your boundaries are, and not just making boundaries, but keeping them. And I think people have a hard time keeping them. I've done that. I mastered that. I conquered that beast that you are more than your body.Lesley Logan 27:55  That is hard for so many levels of so many things. Because I'm thinking of my friends who, like, absolutely fucking love their bodies, and they actually use their bodies to market. That's their thing. They're not shallow about they love their body so much. But also, as a Pilates instructor, I never market that I'm gonna help you lose weight, or anything like what you're gonna look like, or that you're gonna have a Pilates body. Because everybody is a Pilates body. We all have different bodies. But also, I remember my husband and I were in a motorcycle accident. Somebody stopped short, and I fell off the motorcycle, and the first thing I thought was like, oh, my God, am I (inaudible) work? Because my body, right? There's the look of the body, there's the feeling of the body, there's the that is. Traci Peterson 28:37  The functionality of the body. Lesley Logan 28:38  That is a behemoth. I think that would take me the rest of my life.Traci Peterson 28:42  Yeah, and honestly, I was afraid of it. And if I'm being completely honest with you, when I was developing some of this curriculum, I was still in it, like I was still in it, the turning point for me was when I woke up one morning and I remember lying in my bed and my eyes opened, and the first thing I did was lift up my shirt to look at my stomach, because that was always my indicator. It's body checking. It's an eating disorder component where you body check, and I would know, depending on how my stomach looked, was I good yesterday, or was I bad yesterday, looking down at my stomach and standing up and the barrage of self-criticism, negativity, self-loathing that was on replay in my brain. I was like, whoa. I would never, ever and as a mother, it makes me emotional, because I would never, ever talk to my daughter that way. I would never let my friend talk to herself like that and speak to herself that way. So why was it okay for me to talk to myself that way? And that's when I knew that the thing that you want to avoid in your life is the thing that you have to walk through. You have to go through it. You have to barrel through it, bust through it. You can't avoid it. You can't go around it. You have to go through it in order to grow, and in order to help other people. And I know I'm not the only one, it was that point where I was like, okay, I'm going to tackle this. I'm going to tackle my relationship with my body, I'm going to tackle my relationship with food. And from the outside in, nobody would think that I ever had body issues.Lesley Logan 30:29  Those of us who had them, and then we think we've worked it out, are very good at hiding those things. Traci Peterson 30:35  Oh, for sure. Lesley Logan 30:36  So that's how you know, but you still have it, because you're still doing it, but you're so good at hiding it. Traci Peterson 30:40  Oh, yeah for sure. And I mean, good heavens. Lesley, I went on my first diet when I was 15 years old. 15 years old. 115 pounds. I was 115 pounds when I came to my mom, and I said, Mom, I want to feel comfortable and confident for my dance that's coming up in three weeks. How can I do that? And my mom, she was just doing what she was taught. She said well, I can make bigger salads. And so I went on my first diet and started eating more salads. Why? Because that's what I saw her do. Three weeks before any event or anything she would diet. That's what she saw her mom do, any time before a big event, she would diet.Lesley Logan 31:24  And also, every magazine we've gone through all this stuff, and even to this day, my publicist no longer sends them to me anymore because she knows it just makes me angry. They're like, what are three Pilates exercises you could do to burn belly fat? I'm like, you can't do any, zero, none. I don't know your hormones, I don't know what you're eating. I don't know what your genetic predisposition is. And also, like, you don't spot-train, but every magazine for decades that was shoved in women's faces, your mom, your grandma, it is generational, and so it is a behemoth. And so I can understand why it'd be the last thing you'd attack. Because really, if you attack that first, you still wouldn't have mother daughter lessons yet, because you'd be still there. Because go to the other stuff first to build the confidence to even get to that point.Traci Peterson 32:07  Totally and that's the thing is I went on this two-year journey where I had to just get really honest with myself and look at myself in the mirror. But it wasn't going to stop me from moving forward, because it was through that process of and here's the thing, so going through the thing that you don't want to do, I intentionally put on weight, like I intentionally went into a build and it was the theme that I was the most scared of. I feared it so bad. I feared gaining weight. I feared getting fat. I feared that for whatever reason. And I did it in a controlled way, with the plan, with the program to put on muscle, but it required a total brain F, like it was just a total opposite way of thinking, where my entire life was. I step on the scale, and it must be lower. And my goal for this was I needed to step on this scale and weigh more, and that meant success. That meant that I was following the plan. That meant that I was moving towards my goals. And I did it. I did a 13-month build with a coach, and it was so amazing. But my goal was not just to put on weight. My goal, ultimately, at the end of it Lesley, was to love my body at every stage. That was my goal. My goal wasn't 16% body fat 18, but whatever it was, it was, I want to learn to love my body at every single stage. Because my body is not necessarily going to be in this form when I'm 60 years old or 70 years old. Now that doesn't mean it's a friggin free for all. And I also push back against some of that, because I was told earlier in my life, oh, once you have kids say goodbye to your six pack, your body will never be the same. This is all programming and projection that people put on you right? You have the power. You have the power to decide what you want your body to look like, how you want your body to feel, how you want to function. It's a choice. It's an absolute choice. But I went through this to learn to love my body at every single stage, and I will never forget the last four weeks of my programming, 13 months in, like, just going for it and talk about reframing right, labels becoming limits. I gained 13 pounds, which is a, I mean, that's a lot on a 5'5" frame. I was juicy. I wasn't fat, like I had to reframe, right? I was juicy. And I have to tell you, my little eight year old son would come and pat my butt every day. He's like, Oh, mommy, you're bummed, you know? And it was like, so funny. I was like, I was juicy. He was loving the juice. But anyway, and my husband do, not just my little eight year old son, but I remember at the end of these four weeks, you know, they talk about gains, right? Because we were lifting like I was trying to put on muscle, but you have to put on a little bit of fat to do that, but I was trying to put on muscle. And the biggest gains that I had in the last four weeks had nothing to do with my physicality and had everything to do with my mentality, because I was going on a cruise with my daughter, and it was the first time in my entire life that I wasn't the leanest one on the trip, that I didn't have my six pack. And I had a decision. I had to decide, because that was my identity, that's who I always was, right? And I had to decide, am I going to hide? Am I going to cover up? Am I not going to be in pictures? Because I quote-unquote, don't feel like my best self, or don't feel as confident in my skin per se. I had to make a conscious decision, because I know that I am more than my body, my spirit is bigger than any vessel that I could be wearing for whatever reason, because there may come a point in my life when I'm sick and I can't exercise, or I'm injured or and I can't and I can only do whatever it is that I can do. And I remember going on that trip and I wore all the swimming suits. I made it a point to take every single picture. Why? Because I would want my daughter to do the same thing. And I wanted my daughter to see that I can have just as much confidence in myself being 13 pounds heavier or 13 pounds lighter, and it doesn't change who I am. It doesn't change my value. It doesn't change how I show up with other people in conversations or on a cruise, and we did all the water slides and the tallest water slide in the world, and all those things together. And I know somebody listening might be like, man, like we're kind of talking a lot about bodies, you know, but for me, that was a turning point in my life.Lesley Logan 36:58  Well. And here's the thing, like, if that's not their behemoth, then of the other six things that you have, it might be something different for someone else. Maybe they grew up in a family where they were always more than their bodies. I'm thinking back to you guys to listen to the episodes with Jenny Schatzle. She is all about changing the conversation, and she's like, wear the damn bathing suit. Just wear it. Just wear it. Don't miss out on life and experiences because of, like, where you are on the scale. And she always she also has a thing where she's like, don't miss out on 95% of life to weigh five pounds less. So I hear you, because that would be a behemoth for me than the journey that I've had. So I feel much better about being more than my body today at 41 but it took me a long time. And so for those who are like, that's not you, go back and listen to the other things she said and see which one is harder, because that might be your behemoth. And I think it's okay to put at the end, so that you can get the confidence of all the other things, of who you are and what you are, and being selfmore, and maybe being selfmore is your behemoth. But doing all that, I think it's beautiful. I mean, we could talk for hours, because I think it's really beautiful what you're doing. And I do think like changing the next generation comes from changing the generation that you are now. How the parents are raising the children is what the children are going to take out there. So anyways, we're going to quickly take a break and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. All right, Traci, where can they get this list and more information so that they can work on this for themselves? Traci Peterson 38:26  Yes, oh my goodness. So I'm going to give anybody who wants it access to a proven method to regenerate your energy and learn to make better boundaries and keep those boundaries. So it's called My Energy Generator Guide. So we'll include that in the show notes. But you can also go to Tracipeterson.com so Traci's with an I, Peterson's with an O-N and get all the information about our mother daughter retreats coming up that we do. If you're a high-performing mom with a daughter between the ages of nine and 12, we would love to see you. We do our events out in Utah. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. We have an event in June. I know by the time this airs, we'll have our next one coming up in June. So we would love, love, love to see you. But also, on my podcast, we have a podcast called Woman Lessons podcast, how to be and raise a truly confident woman. So I love, Lesley, I just love your platform. I mean, you have to, you know, see it to be it. And going back to what you just said before, I believe that the greatest gift we can give our children is the gift of a mother who believes in herself and goes after her dreams. Lesley Logan 39:33  1000% 1000%. So the bold, executable, intrinsic target steps it can take to be it till we see it. I mean, if you're a mom, it's that. But what other tips do you have for us?Traci Peterson 39:50  Well, in that Energy Generator Guide that you can find down in the show notes, it is a step by step guide for you to go through. Because if you've ever felt overwhelmed, if you felt burnt out as a mom, this guide literally walks you through step by step by step. So it talks about writing down your top three values and how to get to those in a very succinct manner, and then calendaring those into your calendar. And then three, this is the sticker, is how to have a conversation with your family, with your spouse, with your children, about your said values. Because sometimes I think we know what we value, or, hey, we want to go to the gym again, so I'm going to the gym. But there's conversations that sometimes need to happen, explaining the why behind why you're doing it, so that you can get those people on board. And what's awesome about this energy generator guide is you can then turn around and do it for your daughters. They can walk through it, identifying their top three values. And guess what Moms, it's going to be surprising, because they might be doing some things that they don't really love because they just think you want them to, and it's really not serving them best. And so it opens up that doorway of how to have that conversation. And we call it a values check in. It's like a key statement, Hey, Mom, can we do a values check in? And it's, what is your calendar look like? What activities are we involved in and are these serving you on a higher level? And if they're not, what adjustments do we need to make in order for you to be living in alignment with those values? Because that's how they're going to feel fulfilled and happy, and that's how you're going to feel fulfilled and happy as a woman, and you want to make sure to pass that right along to them, but it's very much like a sequential step by step, and it might feel a little robotic at first, and that's okay, because many of us have never even done it before. Many of us don't even think that we deserve to take time to do something for ourselves. And so it really lines it out beautifully and in a succinct, actionable way. But it's a whole worksheet. Literally, it's the entire it's not only the worksheet, but it's five different steps in a worksheet format. So you can literally do it right away. Lesley Logan 42:09  Oh, I love all these things, and I think this is so fun. So thank you for this vulnerable, authentic conversation. I feel like there's a lot of women, even if they're not moms, like nodding along. So hey, ladies, you have to share this with your mom friends. This is how they need to hear this. And even if you don't have daughters, like, check in with your values and make sure they're in your calendar like that is something I say all the time. So that is how you be it till you see it, by the way. If your values are not in your calendar, you will not see any of the things you want to be it doesn't work like that. So Traci, thank you so much. Everyone, share this podcast with a friend who needs it, and then make sure that you let Tracy know what your takeaways were. Tag her on Instagram. Tag the Be It Pod. We can't wait to hear how you be it till you see it. And thank you so much. That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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In this episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell reflect on a recent conversation with Lauren Zoeller, an expert practitioner in somatic therapy and founder of The Aligned Love Experience™. Lauren underscores the transformative power of qualified somatic practitioners in accelerating healing and breaking free from destructive patterns. Listeners will delve into insights from Lauren's interview, including how to recognize trauma responses and implement practical steps for effective somatic self-assessment. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Explanation of somatics as the language of the nervous system. How somatics differs from traditional talk therapy and its approach.The unhealthy cycle of codependency in therapy and coaching. How to do a somatic check-ins to monitor your body's responses. Recognize trauma as urgency and learn to slow down and be present.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer TourBalanced Body and ContrologyElevate Mentorship ProgramCambodia February 2025 Retreat40 Days of Pilates for $40Balanced Body and ContrologyLauren Zoeller WebsiteLauren Zoeller on InstagramAligned Love PodcastAligned Love Collective ExperienceEpisode 183 with Dr. Kelly BenderEpisode 376 with Jenny SchatzleEpisode 131 with Lauren ZoellerEpisode 132 Lauren Zoeller RecapEpisode 22 The Aligned Love  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! 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It's about just getting into your body and just notice how you're feeling and then like taking a moment to your present because that is where we can actually make true be it till you see it moments in our life is when we're not trying to respond from trauma. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the relieving convo I have with Lauren Zoeller in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you should listen to it. You should listen to this one or you listen to this one and that one and then listen to the one I was on hers. Because Brad and I are both on hers. So you can just hear Lauren and Brad and my voices in your ear all day today. Brad Crowell 1:18  It's true. Lesley Logan 1:19  And you should. Lauren was first on the pod in Episode 131 and 132. Holy moly. That's like 160 episodes later. Well. Brad Crowell 1:30  It's been a minute. Lesley Logan 1:31  It's been a minute. Okay, so we'll get into Lauren and her awesomeness. And my ladies who want to learn more about your relationships and like how you feel the way you feel, that's what we're talking about. So stick around. But today is July 4th 2024 and it's the fourth of July. Thank you, Brad. Thank you for writing it out one way. Brad Crowell 1:47  July 4th is the fourth of July. Lesley Logan 1:50  It's totally only applicable to Americans. And, you know, sometimes it feels like a not great holiday anymore. But don't worry, we're positive around here. We're really excited. It's one of the biggest national holidays. Americans come together on July 4 to celebrate the nation's birthday and Independence Day. On this day, most Americans enjoy grills in their backyards, at beaches, or in parks. Some partake in parades or marches and enjoy the fireworks that are often launched at dusk. We kick off the festivities with details, trivia, and anything else you need to know about Independence Day. Happy Fourth! This website that we get all the descriptions of the holidays, this is the most bland description of what happens on the fourth. If you live in our neighborhood, everyone does their own firework situation. It is chaos. And our dogs are really chill. Our dogs do not mind. So we're at the pool today. Just so you know. We are at the pool with some of our podcasting friends actually. So some of the people who've been on the show Neda, Michael, couple others are all there. So we're just you know, hanging out on the fourth. Brad Crowell 2:49  Take it a holiday.Lesley Logan 2:50  And but other things are coming up that you need to know about is Summer Tour is one month away, we kick it off on August 4th. And most of the cities, many of the cities, workouts are sold out, the workshops are getting closed. So you want to go to opc.me/tour Brad Crowell 3:04  opc.me/tour Lesley Logan 3:05  To snag your spot. And also spots, if you want to come to two cities, some people are doing that, I can't wait to see them. It's called the groupies. It's the groupie rule. And also, our tour is powered by Balanced Body, which means we'll be bringing our Contrology Reformer, you could try that out. You could win a gift certificate to Balanced Body and Contrology. And by the way, you can still use my affiliate link when you use that gift certificate so, just saying, you might want to win that. The eLevate applications are going to open up in literally four days. And so if you're listening to this in real time to get your booty over to that waitlist, if you're wanting to find out more information, it's lesleylogan.co/elevate. And I spell my name L-E-S-L-E-Y because that's what you actually spell Lesley. And to the Leslies with they I out there, you're fine too (inaudible).Brad Crowell 3:48  Yeah, eLevate as a nine month long mentorship program for Pilates teachers who want to really dig in more classically, classical Pilates and connect all the dots across all the different pieces of equipments, stop class planning, all the things. Lesley Logan 4:04  Yeah, it's really amazing. Our fourth round has actually just finished their fourth out of five weekend. And it's just so cool to see how much they have changed in their teaching in their practice and how their understanding exercises. It's just really beautiful to see their growth. So yeah, we'll have a week for you to apply. And we are only taking 12 people in a group so you know, get on the waitlist and be quick on the application. Cambodia Retreat, October is super sold out. But February has spots in it and there's some amazing women already signed up. They're already getting excited. We have some great people I just can't even wait for that February one as well. So that's crowsnestretreats.com. Brad Crowell 4:45  Yeah, and lastly we got OPC. We want you to try out OPC we got a special offer just for you. This is the best offer that you're gonna get anywhere, 40 days for $40. It's a dollar a day y'all go to opc.me/40, opc.me/40.Lesley Logan 5:06  And you can keep coming into our community, you get to meet our crew, you get to, and in 40 days you'll have (inaudible) two different monthly themes, you'll be able to try out more than like five weeks of weekly themes, you can get your feedback on your form, and you come to a live class. You get to experience a true OPC membership in those 40 days. It's a dollar a day, we just found out that that's cheaper than a lemon, just so you know, that's cheaper than if you bought a lemon for every day. It's cheaper than that.Brad Crowell 5:31  How about that? Before we actually get into Lauren, we had a question today from Jaravia from YouTube. Thanks for asking Jaravia. What is the most beneficial reformer for core strength development? Should I get a basic one, a Tower or a Cadillac? Take it away, Lesley. Lesley Logan 5:51  So ideally, you don't buy a Reformer combined with anything in the most perfect sense of the world, you would have a Reformer, and you would have a Cadillac. And that would be like my dream for you. Okay, and it'd be a Contrology ideally, an 80 inch, just saying. Use our, use our discount link. But if you are looking for a combo equipment then I would do the Reformer Tower from Contrology. I do not like a reformer combined with a Cadillac. Okay, they are too high. So the Reformer is actually much higher off of the ground. So the little scarier, you cannot mount you cannot do a lot of the setups for the exercise the same way that you would, the bars are in the way so you got to do coordination and your legs are like opening up into bars. You, like you're constantly having to get your head through these bars. So I don't love that. So if you're going to do a combo, I would do a Tower Reformer combo, not a Cadillac Reformer combo. If you're asking like, should I get the tower or the Cadillac? I'm going to say Cadillac if you have the space because honestly, it's the best. But if you don't, or if price is a thing, then a wall unit is really amazing. Super, super great Contrology will have a wall unit out pretty soon. That's my vote for you.Lesley Logan 5:58  There you go. I love it. Well, if you have a question for us, you can ask it through DMs on Instagram or you can text us at 310-905-5534. Stick around we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 7:20  Okay, now let's talk about Lauren Zoeller. Speaker, author, host of The Aligned Love podcast and Founder of The Aligned Love Experience™, Lauren is a somatic and relationship expert who emphasizes understanding the body's responses to trauma. She advocates for recognizing these responses and encourages individuals to learn the language of their nervous system to break free from unhealthy patterns and find healthy relationships. Lesley Logan 7:47  Yeah, and she does relationships not just with love, but like at work with your work, with money, we have lots of relations in our life and how you treat one is how you treat a lot of them. So she kind of works with a lot of those things. I love a lot of the things that she said and we're gonna get into some other really, really good ones because you like those ones that I like too. To explain somatics, I think, is the best way to go into this podcast. It's like somatics is the language of the nervous system. And so it's like how your nervous system is sharing how it feels about things. And sometimes we can't articulate with how we're feeling we just don't feel right. And that's what's gonna be what somatics is, the language of your nervous system. And it's a language that a lot of us were never taught to speak, a lot of us were not taught to feel our feelings or like I was told like children should be seen not heard. So you'd be like sniffling, crying. It's like, hey, suck it up. But once you know the language of your nervous system, she said, You can shift the way you relate to anything in your life. And so she's worked with a lot of leaders, mostly women, and she was able to like really help them express their frustration. So it's just really cool to see how somatics can work because especially if you've done a lot of talk therapy, you've done a lot of like, you know, life coaching and like things haven't changed, and you're just in the same cycle. It sounds like what you need is somatics so you can actually understand your nervous system. What it's trying to tell you.Brad Crowell 9:08  Yeah, yeah. So the, the language of the nervous system, and I think it's good to understand that, when she's talking about it just sounded like oh, I don't know what it just sounds like therapy, right? But the thing that I liked, where she was talking about somatics is it's more than it's like the sum of it all is what it is, right? So there are different forms of therapy and somatics incorporates all different parts. So she wasn't knocking talk therapy. She said that's one piece of it, but it's only like 20% of it. You know and so there's more to it. And that's what I thought was really intriguing that there's a bigger (inaudible).Lesley Logan 9:49  And also, like, to truly do what she does, it's like eight years of like it's many, many years of training. This is not like you do this on a weekend, you guys, so like Brad Crowell 9:58  I got certified.Lesley Logan 9:59  So be mindful when like, working or looking at people who are doing somatics because it's becoming a hot thing right now is like I do somatics. And it's like, you know, it's not just your breathwork person who did a weekend course, like, you really want to find someone who is truly aligned because when you are doing somatic work, their shift can be like, it's important. So, I really appreciate how much training and studying she constantly does and how much she's done it already.Brad Crowell 10:25  Yeah, Lauren, also has a team of coaches, and they're all certified. So, yep, that's pretty awesome. Well, she also dug into this idea of being stuck forever in the therapy or the coaching. And she said, it's actually unhealthy. She said that, there's got to be a point where we are at a place where we can manage it ourselves without still being in the program, or still having a coach or, you know, and I can't remember if it was you or her who mentioned, you know, imagine going to college and never been allowed to graduate, like that just, there's no logic to that the way like, you start it, you take it, you pass, and then you leave.Lesley Logan 11:05  You know, I heard that I heard it from a cult podcast that I listen to.Brad Crowell 11:10  That was you. Lesley Logan 11:12  Because they were like, you, you get into a course program. And then they say, continue to have more and more courses that you need to buy to get closer and closer to God or the source or the leader or whatever it is, then like, you know, that's not healthy, that's a cult.Brad Crowell 11:26  Well, and she, she kind of laughed when she said it like this is probably bad for my business to say that there's a place where you should be able to move on, because, you know, but I think it's true, you know, and she started to talk about codependency and how people get stuck in the rut of the therapy, or the meetings, there's actually something called Codependents Anonymous, or, obviously, we've all heard Alcoholics Anonymous, or all these other things. Or maybe it is just the talk therapy, or maybe it's a codependency in relationships with someone that you're with. Right? And she started to talk about how, especially in the coaching world, we've kind of built into our programs the idea that people should stick around forever, right, stay with me forever. nd she said, we've been building really deep codependencies. I mean, we, if we're doing it that way, then we as coaches aren't necessarily doing our jobs. Lesley Logan 12:22  Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah, I also, before we get into our Be It Action Items, I just want to say like we also did a whole talk about the like the responses which is like the fight–fight, flight, fright and fun. (Inaudible) Yes. and fun is something a lot of women end up doing. It's a very people-pleasing, like, let me fix this thing. And I, so I highly encourage you to go listen to that whole segment on the pod because the way she explains it is really amazing. And when you start to learn how a your response is, it really helps you again, learn the language of your nervous system. Oh, I'm fawning right now. It's a little like, hello.Brad Crowell 13:04  That was a new one for me. I knew about, obviously, we've all heard of fight or flight. Freeze makes sense and then fawn was new. And I think we talked about that a few weeks ago, actually on the pod. But yeah, awesome. Okay, stick around. Brad Crowell 13:18  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Lauren Zoeller? Well, we were talking about learning the language of the nervous system, or actually that somatics is the language of the nervous system. So how do we learn that language? And she had a very methodical approach to learning this language. And she said, set a timer, you're going to do a somatic check in. She said, like every three hours, do it for a week, right? And she said, what, what you're going to do is pull out a pen and paper, you're gonna document the sensations and emotions that you're feeling at the time that it goes off. Right, so open your phone's Notes app, write the sensations and emotions that are present in your body, and then document what you were doing when it went off. She said, avoid rationalizing, this is important. She specifically did not say if you do explain why you're feeling those emotions, or sensations, just that you are write them down, and then focus solely on documenting what sensations, what emotions were present and what you were doing at the moment. That's it. That's all. Right? And she said, what this does is after a week it allows you to understand, you know, where your nervous system is, on a moment-to-moment basis. So if you're, maybe you're commuting, right, or maybe you're working or maybe you're at lunch, or maybe you're with the family, or maybe you're cooking dinner or whatever, and if you're doing this on a consistent schedule. Throughout the week, you can start to see how come every time I'm at work, you know, sweating, I'm like freaking out or I'm like feeling, feeling it in my chest or whatever, you know, start to identify those things. And then you're going to be equipping yourself with a different type of language around, you know, and a different perspective around how you're doing what you're doing. And that will lead to why you're doing it that way. You know, she has some resources available, you know, to help dig into this a little bit more. So we'll be putting that in the show notes. What about you? What was your biggest takeaway?Lesley Logan 13:38  She brought up like, discuss, like trauma as an urgency, which is a fight and action response like, so if you are trying to have instant gratification or you're, you're wanting things to like, happen over, overnight success, it's actually can lead to further trauma. So I know I'm someone who like need, like, Lauren and I are very similar. We just went a week together. And like, we like to know the answer now. Like right now, like, let's just know that now it's almost, I feel better if we've like, made a decision, you know, which is instant gratification that can just be a trauma response. And, and so she said, the things that are meant to be savored in life and make your life robust, are the ones where you actually slow down. And so she said, or, like, were able to build a space, like build it from a space of true presence and being grounded. So if you are like trying to make decisions from an instant spot, like take action kind of a thing, it can actually be, it can actuallyBrad Crowell 15:32  She said it's a trauma response. Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah. Yeah. So it's your nervous system telling you like, I'm like, I'm activated right now. And so part of how you relate to things like let me just do this right now. But she's like really trying to get you to like, based on the other Be It Action, I'm like, take a moment. And just notice how you're feeling and not make and not make a reason, which is very hard for people to do. And we had Dr. Bender on. And she said, try not to reason with how you're feeling. Just notice how you're feeling because we're often wrong. So but what she then said is like, so when you're feeling an urgent need for immediate results, or instant gratification, recognize it's trauma response. And then in order to break the pattern, slow down and focus on being present, which is really hard to do. Brad Crowell 17:09  It's hard. Lesley Logan 17:09  It's really hard to do. So I just want to shout in Jenny Schatzle had a breathing exercise that we had in another Be It another Be It Action Item just a few weeks ago. Maybe it was a month ago at this point. Her breathing where we did see others just inhale exhale. That was it. That was it. That was her thing. So try that to get yourself present. So combine these two. And just, you know, I think what I like about this is that it's not about having an answer. It's about just getting into your body and just notice how you're feeling. And then like taking a moment to your present because that is where we can actually make true, be it till you see it moments in our life is when we're not trying to respond from trauma.Brad Crowell 17:54  Yeah, if you want to go back to that episode with Jenny, it's episode 376. Lesley Logan 17:59  Yeah. So I mean, Lauren's right. If you haven't yet listened to her first episodes on the pod, I highly recommend going back to those 131 and 132. And then, if you want to hear about Brad and I, and our aligned love on her podcast, you can do that on The Aligned Love podcast. Brad Crowell 18:15  Yeah, we'll put the link to her pod in the show notes. You can find it wherever pods are found, The Aligned Love. Well, anyway, it was super fun to have Lauren join us first, in person in Vegas, but also in-person in Nashville (inaudible).Lesley Logan 18:31  We spent more days with her in a week than we have seen her ever in life. So yeah, but you know, she's fabulous. She's family. And so I'm just really grateful that she does what she does because a lot of people need it. And she's, you know, changing lives out there. So I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 18:46  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 18:48  Thank you so much for joining us today. You are amazing. In case you didn't remember in case someone told you that you are incredible and awesome. And we're so grateful for you. And if you haven't left a review for this podcast, please do it. Brad Crowell 18:57  Do it. Lesley Logan 18:58  That would be a really great gift to me. It's also a great way for you to be present. You could take note of what you learned from this episode. Brad Crowell 19:03  It would be a great gift to me, too. Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, great gift to Brad. You know Brad needs to get, his birthday's coming up, everyone. Leave a review for his birthday. (Inaudible) It is. So and then share this with a friend who needs. If you got a friend who's like you know, as one of those people who's just like acting out of trauma sometimes you're like, Oh, you can see it. Sometimes you can see others and we can see it in ourselves. Send this to them because you don't have to tell them what to do. You can just let them learn about it on their own. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 19:27  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 19:29  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day.Lesley Logan 19:56  Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Explore how self-perception shapes your interactions and presence in the world. Lesley and Brad revisit Jenny Schatzle's transformative insights on body positivity and self-respect. Jenny Schatzle, a passionate speaker, author, and coach, is dedicated to changing how women perceive themselves and breaking the cycle of toxic societal standards. Discover practical steps to challenge these norms and foster a healthier self-image. Tune in to learn how embracing self-love can enhance your daily life and interactions.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The three-step approach to address body image conversations.How to distinguish between constructive and harmful self-judgment.Alternative compliments to shift focus from physical appearance. Mindful breathing can help you stay present and reduce self-criticism.Journaling technique to process emotions and promote self-reflection.Episode References/Links:Cambodia February 2025OPC Summer ToureLevate Mentorship Program WaitlistBarrels Flashcards WaitlistOPC 40 Days for $40Jenny Schatzle WebsiteJenny Schatzle Instagram  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar  Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramFacebookLinkedIn  Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  There's a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on every single thing that you do along the way. Brad Crowell 0:08  Sure. Lesley Logan 0:08  You can actually love your body in the process and it doesn't have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn't have to be how you greet someone. And when people ask what are you up to you don't have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on. Lesley Logan 0:27  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:05  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the powerful convo I had with Jenny Schatzle on our last episode. If you haven't yet, listened to that one, you're gonna want to listen to that one at some point, whether it's before this one or after this one, or with a friend. It is awesome. Especially if you've got friends who all they bitch about is how they look, Jenny Schatzle will give you the words to help shut them up because no one goes to lunch to talk about that. Anyways, before we get into that, today is June 6th 2024. So it's Caves and Karst Day. About this day, Caves and Karst, actually I don't know what a karst is, but I know what a cave is. So here we go. Celebrated on June 6, is is gradually becoming a significant event in the U.S. and with good cause. And by the way, I look for world ones, and since there are caves everywhere, I figured this could be also a world thing.Brad Crowell 1:56  Karst is a landscape underlain by limestone, which has been eroded by dissolution, producing ridges, towers, fissures, sinkholes, and other characteristic landforms.Lesley Logan 2:08  So it's just like, it's like the stalactites and stalagmites. Brad Crowell 2:11  It's like what you expect to see on the edge of an ocean where like where the water has eroded and it's got all this funky little designs. Lesley Logan 2:20  So it's a karst there and then you go in and it's a cave. Well, at any rate, thank you for that side trip. The value and influence of cave and karst landscapes on the genetic make-up of the earth as a whole are utterly mind-boggling as more cave enthusiasts across the world explore these underground sites of wonder and beauty. But there's a lot more to cave exploration than meets the eye. Caves and karst maintain natural diversity both above and below the earth and are home to many of the planet's most complex and unique ecosystems. The constant flow of water through their bedrocks creates a karst. As a result, sinking streams, caverns, springs, and other unique elements that make caves intriguing and magnificent are formed. So a karst becomes a cave. I'm confused. It's okay.Brad Crowell 2:21  I'm just really glad we're celebrating them today.Lesley Logan 2:22  We're celebrating them. It's a, you know what? If you are in Vegas, you can, you too can kayak like I did for too many miles and there is a cave that you get to kayak under. And it's emerald. It's like literally green in there. It's so beautiful. So you know, go check them out. Also, when I was researching this day, I found out how many caves are in the U.S. We have some of the largest, longest caves in the world. But you know what, even if you don't live in the US check out a cave near you. They're pretty magnificent. Upcoming we have Cambodia February 2025. Brad Crowell 3:40  Yeah, y'all. Lesley Logan 3:41  You can snag your spots. Brad Crowell 3:43  October sold out and February is on the docket. We are definitely excited to be going back two times next year. We don't know the dates for the end of the year yet, but we're looking at Feb. 25 So if that works for you, make sure you reach out go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up, we got our OPC Summer Tour.Lesley Logan 4:08  You are hearing it first. It's announced. It's announced. We have 12 cities?Brad Crowell 4:12  13 cities because we're kicking it off here in Vegas. Lesley Logan 4:15  Oh, that's right. We're kicking off in Vegas. (Inaudible)Brad Crowell 4:18  It's gonna kick off I think on August 5th. Lesley Logan 4:20  It's a Sunday.Brad Crowell 4:20  I believe it's a Sunday. Yeah, pretty sure it's August 5th. Lesley Logan 4:24  Sure. Brad Crowell 4:25  And then we're gonna be driving up and around. We're gonna go all the way up to Lesley Logan 4:29  August 4th is a Sunday. Brad Crowell 4:31  Okay, August 4th. So we're gonna drive all the way up to Saint Paul-Minneapolis, and then over to Cleveland and then back through the Midwest. Lesley Logan 4:38  Saint Paul-Minnesota. Minneapolis. Brad Crowell 4:43  Yeah, they're the Twin Cities. Lesley Logan 4:44  Oh, okay. So you do you say them like that Saint Paul-Minneapolis?Brad Crowell 4:48  I don't know which one we're gonna be at, so. Lesley Logan 4:50  Okay. I just didn't know if like you were saying like city-state. You know? Like, I don't (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:55  We're gonna be in Connecticut, Texas and Pennsylvania, Hawaii. Lesley Logan 5:02  Yeah, anyways you gotta go to opc.me/tour to check out the amazing spots we're going to. Snag your spot because you guys, I don't know when the next time we'll do the Midwest again, gonna be really honest. We have, we got  Brad Crowell 5:15  We got plans y'all. Year after that we're thinking to do the West Coast again but (inaudible). Lesley doesn't know this, but I want to start in Mexico and go over to Canada.Lesley Logan 5:23  Well, also, Brad doesn't know but we've got to go to the U.K. so we have aBrad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, we got to go to the U.K. as well. Lesley Logan 5:28  Yeah. So at any rate, opc.me/tour to snag your spot. Also happening Brad Crowell 5:33  Or go to Europe. Just do all of Europe. Lesley Logan 5:35  Okay, don't, that's not an option for next year. But we do want to do that. It's like a 2026 goal. Okay, so eLevate applications are going to open up at pretty soon, actually. We're going to open them up in the June-July time. We want to make sure that everyone has enough time to set the dates aside for 2025 to also like save, save up the investment for it and everything we can only take 12 people in a group so you want to go to LesleyLogan as L-E-S-L-E-Y-L-O-G-A-N.co/elevate to get on the waitlist because the people on the waitlist get to apply. Brad Crowell 6:10  Yeah, eLevate is Lesley's mentorship program. It is the nine-month program, for those of you who aren't familiar with it. And you deep dive with Lesley. She's passing on all the information that she learned from her teacher Jay and it's, it's amazing. You're gonna leave that with all the confidence in the world you will never have to class-plan again. It is incredible. Lesley Logan 6:29  Awesome. Brad Crowell 6:29  Next up we got Barrels Flashcards. It's the last chance, y'all, to get on the waitlist.Lesley Logan 6:34  It's literally the last chance. (Inaudible) You won't hear us talk about it. We're not going to talk about this again. This is it. This is the last chance.Brad Crowell 6:40  No, we are going to talk about it on next week's pod but, like a week and a half and the waitlist is open.Lesley Logan 6:45  Oh my goodness. Okay, well, Brad has been really kind because I was like they know about it now, too, sucks for them, too late.Brad Crowell 6:52  This is your last chance to get on the waitlist and save some money when we do our presale opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. Lesley Logan 7:01  And then lastly.Brad Crowell 7:02  Last but not least.Lesley Logan 7:03  If you have wanted to try OPC and you're just like, I don't know, I want to try it, though. You can. Brad Crowell 7:08  You can.Lesley Logan 7:08  Forty days for $40. Brad Crowell 7:10  Yeah.Lesley Logan 7:11  That's $1 a day of Pilates. Brad Crowell 7:12  That's right. Lesley Logan 7:13  Yep. opc.me/forty. Brad Crowell 7:15  That's right. Lesley Logan 7:16  That's great. I love that. You guys. It's amazing. You can get into our community, you can come to a live class you can do the weekly classes, you can ask us questions, it's actually where we answer questions daily. It's a really fire community and we are no longer in the Facebook world. We are in our own app. Our own app.Brad Crowell 7:35  Yeah. It's amazing.Lesley Logan 7:36  All right, before we get to Jenny Schatzle. What's our audience question?Brad Crowell 7:39  All right, Chonnarit L on YouTube asked, "If you already have a reformer what should you buy next?"Lesley Logan 7:47  I know, I thought this was a great question. I've never had anyone ask me and that's a great question. And also, it kind of depends on your space and what you want. If you already have a reformer, I would say Contrology Mat if you don't have that yet, because a lot of people don't invest in the mat and the mat and the ref, if you have those two, you are set, my friend. If you don't want to do the investment in a Contrology Mat, then a spine corrector, believe it or not, is what I would suggest. Contrology Spine Corrector. I have discount links on all these. And then if you are wanting something a little bit more challenging, because like the spine corrector is really good at helping you build your back bends, especially if you struggle with them. Like that's why I like everyone to have access to a spine corrector because it teaches an extension. But let's just say you just want to like power out then get a Wunda Chair. And if you have the Reformer and the Wunda Chair, obviously everyone afforded the mat, you could be an OPC all-equipment member. So there you go. The Wunda Chair doesn't take up a lot of space and Contrology has a beautiful one, and it's so amazing. Brad Crowell 8:47  That's a good one. Lesley Logan 8:47  I did a 50-minute workout on it yesterday to film for OPC and I kicked my own ass. So that is what I would say. It just really depends on your practice and your goals and your space. So you know, if you want to take a class with OPC, you, if you already have a Reformer and you have the mat then I'll get the Wunda Chair. Brad Crowell 9:02  Sounds like a plan. Great question. If you want to leave us a question that we might read here live on the pod. At the end of this episode, we will tell you our phone number that you can text or you can DM us on Instagram and ask away. All right now let's talk about Jenny Schatzle. Jenny Schatzle is a passionate speaker, author, coach, and advocate for transforming how women perceive themselves. Her mission is to break the cycle of toxic standards ingrained from an early age and to shift the conversation surrounding appearance. By challenging societal norms and encouraging women to embrace their true selves, Jenny fosters a healthier, more respectful dialogue about body image. Yes. Plus she uses curse words and I love that.Lesley Logan 9:48  We love that and she does these, like morning, coffee mug chats, just like give you a pep talk. We actually talked about this in the episode but like she had this post it's like you know don't sacrifice like 90, like, like 90% of your life just to be five pounds lighter. Brad Crowell 10:06  Ninety-five percent of your life to be five pounds lighter. Yeah. Lesley Logan 10:08  So she reposted that quote that she, that she did and the vitriol that she got, oh my god, all from, all from mostly men saying they won't be able to carry the coffin, like just awful things about the body. And she's like, okay, we got to talk about this because this is ridiculous. We, that's not at all what she is saying. Like, people confuse her talking about being kind about your body and not just constantly talking about being smaller and, and sacrificing, making decisions as like, everyone should just be unhealthy. By the way, your size and health do not match up. That's just not how it works. So it was just, it was just sad to like, read what people are saying. And it's just like, why are people such dickheads? When did people learn that if you, like, you, you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all? What is going on with people? I think reviews is where it started. Brad Crowell 11:05  No, I think it's just the fact that you can post on the internet and nobody knows who you are.Lesley Logan 11:10  Yeah. Well, she posted their comments. And I think she should have blasted their names that she was nice enough to count them out. But I don't think you should I think you know what, if you think you're gonna say some shit, your name should get put up there. So anyways, but here's some things I love that she said. She said how we show up in our body is energy. And this is so true. If you are not feeling good about yourself, you start to only see the things you don't feel good about. And then when you go out into the world, like you bring that energy with you, you're not as excited. And so it's really important if you can actually give yourself some self-love and truly believe that you are an amazing person you can show up in your life in your body in a much more positive space. And I just really love that. I think we also talked about if you went out and ate the candy bar and had some fries and just like had a milkshake. You don't have to go oh my god, I'm an asshole. You just go. Okay, I did that. Moving on. And I really because that's energy, right? If you start to like doubt, like get down on yourself, you take yourself down and not just your body down and it affects the whole day that you have. So every time you show up as your authentic self, you give women around you permission to do the same. And she does this like this is how she like lives her life on social media. But like she truly does this when you are around her you do, I get a surprise all the time that people in front of her would even at all, like be mean to their bodies in front of her I would be so afraid to say something like not nice about myself. And whenever she pops in my feed or I have a talk with her, or we catch up, I am so much kinder to my body just because of her. I'm like she's got my like shoulder like, you know, it's okay like to love yourself and just get a different size, buy different jeans. It's okay.Brad Crowell 12:48  I love that. One thing that she mentioned, which I thought was pretty ballsy was she texted her whole family over the holidays and specifically requested everybody not talk about bodies, body images, body sizes, weight dieting, loss, all that you look so good, any of those kinds of comments with her kids. And the way she did it, I thought was incredibly thoughtful. And when I first heard the summary of it, I was like, whoa, that's like, was she like angrily yelling at everybody? But no, that's not what she did at all. First, she had a three-step approach. And this was gold. Okay, the first thing she said was, she opened the conversation saying, I have struggled with body image my entire life. I'm sure you all know that. The second thing she said is I would like to ask for your help in this because I want to break this cycle. I don't want my kids to struggle with body image. So I ask you not to talk about bodies, body images around my kids when we come over for the holidays. And she said lastly, the third step of it was to tell them I love you very much. I'm so grateful for your support. I can't wait to see you all. Right? And I thought, wow, what a tactful way to challenge the family to not talk about something that she's really intentional about with her kids. And she also said not a single family member responded. Lesley Logan 14:18  Yeah. Brad Crowell 14:19  But Lesley Logan 14:20  It was fine. Brad Crowell 14:21  It went really well. No one talked about those things. So clearly everybody read it. They, nobody wanted to talk about it. Like oh, yeah, sure, I will, won't do that. No one actually, you know, said that they would do it. But then they did, they did it anyway, which I thought was really amazing. And she was talking about the way that we were trained as a society, how we were trained to think when it comes to body image and fashion and all the things and you know, if her kids come downstairs and they say, hey, you know, I put on this new outfit. What do you think? Instead of saying, oh my gosh, you look beautiful. Right? Because that's the first res, that's the natural response, it's just kind of the way that we all would would think, you know, would talk. She said there's, there's some inherent issues with that response, which are, we are judging them based on how they, you know, the on beauty on this idea of beauty. Right? And so instead she, she says that makes you look really powerful. And then she asked them, how does it feel on your body? Right? Or how does it make you feel? That's a great way to instill this idea of being in tune with yourself being in tune with like, how does, your own body how does it make you feel? Right, and I just thought it was really cool. I like the way that she approaches that. Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah, I really like it too. And I think like, I remember when she, we talked about this in that episode, when she posted, like, I asked my family not to do these things. And here's what you can prompt your family with. And I was like, wow, that is bold. It's amazing. I want to know how this went down. Because like, I, like, I was just like, what would my, our family would say? And, you know what, I, here's what I think, in both sides, I think everyone have complied just like her family. I do wonder what happened when you left the room. I feel like, she made us not talk about our body. Like, I just really wonder because like (inaudible).Brad Crowell 16:16  I wonder if they like, snarkily went to each other and they're like, you look so great today. You look so skinny today. Did you lose five pounds? After she left the room? Lesley Logan 16:24  I wonder, I wonder if they did. Or maybe it helped, it like freed them from like, playing the loop that we all play every year at the holidays, oh, I gotta lose five pounds, oh, I gotta do this thing. So, and by the way, like, if you are on a journey, because you are not excited about how your body is feeling. It is okay. I actually wanted to say like, it's okay. There's a difference between judging your body and shaming your body and getting actual information around how you want to feel how you want to be, what that is, and then making a plan for yourself, whether that's sleep, whether that's getting your hormones checked, maybe you want to actually add more nutrition to the meals, these are all okay things. And I actually think that Jenny, like, understands that and explains that because when you, when you talk to her about her gym, she owns a gym, and her big thing is like, are you sleeping? Sleep is amazing for self-care, like drinking water is amazing. And so I just want to say that because I don't want anyone to feel bad. But if you are actually going no, but Lesley, I really do want to lose 10 pounds because I just don't like the way I look. There's a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on everything single thing that you do along the way. Brad Crowell 17:40  Sure. Lesley Logan 17:40  You can actually love your body in the process, and it doesn't have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn't have to be how you greet someone. And it, when people ask what are you up to you don't have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on. You know, I have girlfriends, we're getting older, our bodies are changing, and there's certain things I'm like, okay, I can be okay with that. There's some thing's like, not okay with that. I'm actually I don't like how that feels. I don't like how that feels on me. But it's not how we greet each other. It's not what we talk about at lunch. You k,now, we talk about other things like How's work going? Like how are you feeling? Like, what do you like, what are you doing for fun? What are your hobbies? You know, so there's just different things. And I just want to point that out because I do know that like sometimes when these topics come up, people could start to get down on themselves for thinking those things about themselves. It's good to have awareness and it's good to understand what's motivating you.Brad Crowell 18:33  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jenny Schatzle? She shared her big trick on giving actionable tools when people started to compare themselves or when you're talking down to yourself. Lesley Logan 18:53  Oh, great. Brad Crowell 18:54  Yeah. And I did this today while I was listening to the pod. She said hey, listen, when you catch yourself in that cycle of, you know, shit-talking yourself, or, you know, if you're in a conversation, if you're, or if you're mentally comparing yourself to someone else. She said, hey, take a moment. Put your hand on your heart, and breathe in for five seconds. Hold it for five seconds. And then breathe out for five seconds. And she said do it again. But this time, say here. And then when you breathe out, say now. So say, breathe in, here, hold for five seconds. And then breathe out and say now and the idea is that you're in the here and now you are here and now and it's a way to kind of bring yourself back into you know this moment. And instead of you, it will allow you to jumpstart that negative rut of comparison, the negativity, beating yourself up. And instead it brings you back to the moment, the present. I thought that was a really cool little tool.Lesley Logan 20:08  I really liked it, I liked, I think it's really great. And I also liked that you can, it, afterwards, you'll be able to, you'll be calmer and you'll be able to figure out how you want to move forward. You know, I think like, if you get all up in your head, you start to you can't really it's you go into the way you are ingrained to think about yourself and talk to yourself and, and you go over the thing about the actions you, someone who's been working on loving yourself, working on being more body positive and kind and also thinking about other things in this world. You know, that, that you can actually take actions from that place, which is really cool. Okay, she actually, this is so cool, I had no idea that she has a journal coming out. And so she said she'll share it when it's available. But we have this rule guys, we actually say, if you're gonna talk about journaling, you have to tell people what to do. So as soon as she said, you're gonna journal, I was just like, Jenny, we have rules, we have rules, you're not allowed to talk about journaling, unless you tell people, but she came prepared. She will have a journal prompt that is going to be 90 ways in 90 days. So 90 ways to love your body in 90 days. Which is great. We'll let you know when that's available. But in the meantime, you can set a timer for five minutes. And free-write, literally write everything that's going on in your head. Don't worry about grammar or punctuation. It literally takes five minutes that can change your life and boosts creativity. And I, we've talked about like the artist's way on a show before and you know, like, everyone's like it takes me forever to write three pages. I'm like, how does it take you forever? To write three pages, you must be thinking about your grammar, your punctuation, like what to write, you're supposed to free-right. Free-write is just like a total brain dump. And so it really is really a great way to journal whenever you kind of, if you are starting to feel a little down yourself, you're starting to shame or judge yourself. You notice that you just had lunch and all your friends talked about what diet they're on. You can free-write to let that go. Oh, is August giving kisses? It's a new thing guys. He's working on it. Normally when he gives kisses he also like bats his head up and maybe tips you with his nose a little bit. But now he's actually learning how to kiss but it's the wettest kiss. It's like the whole tongue has to be part of it, so.Brad Crowell 22:21  If you're on YouTube, you can see August He just joined the show.Lesley Logan 22:24  If you are not on YouTube, we are on YouTube. You can watch it. Yeah, you can. So anyways, though, thank you, Jenny Schatzle for coming back and reminding us it's been a couple of years since we had you on the show reminding us to love ourselves to change the conversation, to break the cycle. Y'all, please, please, please, like, write down a few different ways to greet your friends that don't have anything to do with like, like, oh, you've lost five pounds. You can say you look powerful. Oh my god, I love the, I love being around your energy. You light up a room. You know, like there's so many different things you can say that have nothing to do with the person's actual physical looks. And it's so true. Jenny was talking about her friend who like, complimented her abs when she was like breastfeeding. And now every time she's around that friend she like thinks about her abs like she's self-conscious that she doesn't have them. Whatever. It is so true. Because I have been in the bathroom when people have talked about me when I've been when I was too skinny. I've talked about me in the bathroom, you know that when I gained weight and I was in the bathroom, I was so afraid to be in the bathroom with other people because I was just conscious of like, what if they saw me now, they're gonna, now they're gonna say I now I've gained weight like, so it's true. We, like these things. leave a mark on us. At any rate, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 23:32  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 23:32  Thank you so much for listening to us today. Brad Crowell 23:34  Thank you, thank you. Lesley Logan 23:36  Please share this with a friend who needs to hear it, a sibling or family member that if you are not wanting to talk about weight with when you come to the next holiday event, you know, Fourth of July is around the corner. And if you're in the States, if you're not in the States, and I'm sure you have a holiday coming up, and please do leave us a review. They do mean the world to us at the time of recording this we almost have 100. So it'd be really cool if we had 100 reviews before we hit 400 episodes which is coming up. And until next, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 24:05  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 24:07  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Returning guest, body image expert Jenny Schatzle, joined host Lesley Logan to discuss the pressure to look like someone else and the unrealistic expectations that fuel negative body image. This conversation explores the impact societal expectations have on women, the messages we send to young girls, and practical tools to shift the conversation about bodies. Jenny offers empowering advice, tools, and encourages listeners to embrace their able bodies and prioritize self-acceptance over comparison.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The societal pressures that promote unrealistic body ideals. The impact and effects of comparing yourself to others.Practical tips for creating lasting habits for daily exercises.Strategies for changing the conversation around body image.How to accept and live more fully in your able body. Techniques for managing negative thoughts and anxiety.Episode References/Links:Jenny Schatzle InstagramJenny Schatzle WebsiteGuest Bio:Meet Jenny Schatzle, a passionate speaker, author, and coach dedicated to empowering women to embrace their bodies, break free from the shackles of diet culture, and transform their inner dialogue. With a focus on fostering self-love and confidence, she has created a movement toward a more fulfilling life beyond the size of your body. For 20 years, Jenny has been guiding women through a transformative journey, helping them rewrite the narrative of their relationship with themselves. Through workshops, talks, and coaching sessions, she inspires individuals to confront their inner critic and challenge the norms that dictate self-worth.   If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar  Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramFacebookLinkedIn  Episode Transcript:Jenny Schatzle 0:00  Unfortunately, a lot of people don't start to love and accept and respect their body until it no longer functions the way they want it to. And I don't think we should wait till that moment. I mean, if you've ever had an injury you know, oh, I'm never going to take, using my hand or using my leg for granted. But then you do and we do as women every time we compare ourselves to somebody else. Oh, I wish I had her butt. Oh, I wish I had her arms. Well, guess what? You can't physically have somebody else's body.  Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:04  All right, loves. This guests we have today is back. This is her second time. It will not be her last time. I'm absolutely obsessed with what this woman is putting out in the world to support all of us. Every single one of us. Ladies, especially us. But her name is Jenny Schatzle. If you don't know her, you're gonna fall and fall in love with her just like I did. She is a powerhouse. She's incredible. And she is here to help us all break the cycle of how we are talking about bodies, especially how about our bodies, because all of our actions get passed down to the people around us. And we are more than what our bodies look like. And if you're like yeah, yeah, yeah. And you nod your head, and you nod your head, but then you find yourself you know, not putting on the bathing suit or, which we'll talk about in the podcast, or at home the holidays and someone says something about your body and that makes you upset. Like we were not given the tools to address that in a way that is supportive. And in this podcast, Jenny Schatzle is not only going to give you the tools, she's going to share with you how she use it. And I'm just so incredibly grateful for this woman in my life. And I'm excited for her to be back in your ears. If this is the second time you heard about her, great, you're gonna love all the things we talked about again, it's a great reminder. And if this is your first time get ready to fall in love, just feel so, so supported. And I hope that you check out her first episode, we'll put that in the show notes as well. So you can go back and listen to both of those and just be on a Jenny Schatzle binge and I promise you, you will feel so great. And you'll be so aware of the thoughts that you're thinking about your body. Anytime I ever make, like have a thought that's negative to my body, I actually think like if Jenny Schatzle was here, would I say that out loud? No. So then I don't get to say it out loud. So anyways, you guys, here is Jenny Schatzle. Lesley Logan 2:58  All right, Be It babe. I'm freakin stoked because I know we're all about to go to like, (inaudible) the best kind of church we could all go to, which is just listening to Jenny Schatzle remind us all that we're so frickin worthy and we need to change the conversation and break the cycle. Jenny Schatzle, will you tell everyone who you are and why you rock at all of that stuff?Jenny Schatzle 3:19  Yay, well, that's a great introduction right there. Everyone, I'm Jenny Schatzle. I'm so excited to be here. And yeah, I'm on a mission to help women change the conversation around body image. So we can not only show the younger generation how to do it, but we are the ones who model it every day by breaking the cycle and unlearning all the toxic bullshit we learned growing up.Lesley Logan 3:42  Yeah, yeah. (Inaudible) Well, you know, Jenny, I thought for a couple of years that like, it felt a little bit like the rest of the world was kind of getting down with this, like the magazines and things were going down with this. And now they're back to what they were before. And I'm like, but I think it's because their magazines aren't selling which is not because of what their titles are. I get quotes all the time or get asked for quotes all the time. And one of them is like, can you tell me how to get Miley Cyrus's arms in five exercises? And I'm like, no, she is 31 even if you did Pilates like her, which my friend teaches her, four hours a day and had her nutritionist and her chef you still won't have her arms because hormones are real, age is a thing and you don't, you're not Miley Cyrus and why are you asking me this question? And so I get really annoyed because even my team's like, hey, here's some things that will do well with SEO which is like 17 butt exercises at school to tone your buttom, I'm like I don't ever want to tone anyone's butt. I don't want to ever talk about that. But it's unfortunate like it's this thing where like, that's what the machines want people, the experts put out because that's what people are clicking and how do we, how do people like you, people like me get people to hear that when you change the conversation when that's not what they'll click on?Jenny Schatzle 4:56  100% And it's hard not gonna I'm not gonna lie. (Inaudible), they don't work, but they sell. They keep selling. So the quote I will give you to give them is, you know, when somebody asks, can you tell me how to get so and so's arms, you can say, if we all ate the same and worked out the same, we would still look different. And the days of us trying to look like other people, I want to acknowledge that it's up to us disrespecting, and giving up what we do have. So a lot of us have very able healthy bodies. And on a daily basis, we're disrespecting that. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't start to love and accept and respect their body until it no longer functions the way they want it to. And I don't think we should wait till that moment. I mean, if you've ever had an injury, you know, like, oh, I'm never gonna take using my hand or using my leg for granted. But then you do. And we do as women every time we compare ourselves to somebody else. Oh, I wish I had her butt. Oh, I wish I had her arms. Well, guess what, you can't physically have somebody else's body. You weren't born with it. You weren't meant to have it. I believe I'm this person in the middle. But a lot of my message does get construed like it's not black and white, right? Like, people think I'm anti-diet, but I don't think like you can still want to change your body and lose weight, I don't think that's bad. We just need to have the conversation of why. And when we're giving up, you know, a really old saying, which I love so much, it's don't give up 95% of your life to weigh 5% less. I don't know who originally said it. But it's a very meaningful, because for a lot of us weight loss, we think if I just, and I've said this before on your podcast, you know, but if I just lost this last 10 pounds I'd be happy. If my arms were just a little bit toner or if my stomach was flatter. And we know that that isn't really going to make us our happiest person. And a lot of us are waiting to live our best lives when we lose weight. But then we lose weight and it's just never enough. And the body's still never good enough. So my take on it is when you learn to actually accept the body that you have today that's when you start taking the best care of it. Lesley Logan 7:06  Yes. Oh, okay. All that. Yes. And I think it's, it's interesting. We do take things for granted, when they're working well, because we're looking at someone else's lawn. And you know, thinking that I want that it's gonna be greener over there. It's gonna be easy over there. I was talking to someone earlier today who was on their podcast, and she was telling me how she went to a Pilates class and she was having a really hard time because she couldn't do exercise like everyone else. And I said, well, you won't look like everyone else. And I don't know who your teacher was, but I hope that they weren't explaining to you that you're gonna look like everyone else. You also just started so you are a beginner. And why can we not allow ourselves to be beginners at things? Why are we expecting ourselves? I gotta look like that person over there. I'm not good enough. It's like, no, you just started. So like, it's like, it's all these things that we keep comparing ourselves to others, even when we're new. We should be giving us the most grace.Jenny Schatzle 7:56  And I'm gonna add to that we always say in our gym, so I do own a gym. And we do, we don't do Pilates we are, I like to say we are like a one-stop shop. Except for we I shouldn't say it because we don't do Pilates. We don't do Pilates (inaudible). We do cardio, we do strength training. We have what we call like burn days, power days. Anyway, it's a cardio strength. I always say don't compare your day one to somebody, you know, somebody else's day 300. But on top of that, just in the world. It's so crazy that we will sit there and compare ourselves. I always make jokes like Sally Jomo down the street who you think is so thin and so beautiful. But who knows Sally Jomo's drinking a bottle of vodka every night because she's crazy unhappy in her marriage. She hates her body. She's disconnected from her family. Like you have no idea how else, how anybody else is living. And we assume these things based on the way that people look. I say this a lot, too. New listeners. if you haven't listened to me before. I'm brutally honest, I don't hold back. I know a lot of very rich, thin, beautiful women who I wouldn't trade lives with for millions of dollars. They are extremely unhappy, unhappy, and I'm not saying that every rich, thin woman is. I'm just trying to bring up the point that you have no idea what's going on in other people's lives. And just based on somebody's arms or flat stomach, doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it right. Also, genetics plays a huge role in our bodies. You know, there's a there's like a tic tac toe thing. My husband brought it up. It's so funny going around. It was like, you know, these 20-year-old influencers which I'm not talking smack on anyone, but it's like, no, show me a mom who's got, you know, a mom with kids. And I mean, just like all the things like we don't you know, an old saying is we all have the same 24 hours in a day. That's bullshit. You ever ever spent a day with a mom who's got a disabled kid? Have you ever spent a day as a single person or as a mom or a mom without a partner or a mom with a partner like we do not have the same 24 hours in a day. We don't.Lesley Logan 10:02  No. You're 100%.Jenny Schatzle 10:03  What we choose to do with our 24 hours is up to us. But comparing ourselves like, I don't have the same life at 44, with six-year-old twins and a husband that's gone a lot, but I still have a husband that's gonna come home. And he's all in. And he's an incredible partner, compared to a single mom who doesn't get the help, who has no family in town, or a 24-year-old, who's got a part-time job, who's a trust fund kid, or a 24-year-old who is barely making it and works, like we all have such different circumstances that we can't compare. You just, we got to stop comparing our days and our time.Lesley Logan 10:37  Yeah, the other day, my husband's gone for an overnight and I was like, wow, I got so much done today. Because I wasn't interrupted, I wasn't listening. So I'm like, you know, I don't even have the kids or the demanding things, or anybody who needs me more than a regular adult would need me. Like, I just have a husband who works with me and comes in my office at random times, I'm like, you are, you just stop interrupting me. So it's true. We all think we're supposed to be further along sooner than we are. And everyone else has a better and if we just had this and that seems like when I have or when this happens, those phrases, if you ever hear yourself saying them, you that should be like a red light to take a pause because you are not appreciating what's in the present and accepting what you have and what you can do. You know, I like to tell people, that it's brave and courageous to replace what you can't do yet with what you can. Because there's a lot of Pilates exercises that I teach in a class because it's an all-levels class, which means I have to hit the advanced people, too. And when I say is, if you're not ready for this exercise, yet, you're gonna replace it with some that was a challenge for you. And you're gonna remind yourself, it's brave and courageous to do something different in this moment, but also in every moment, it's actually the coolest thing to be the different person in the room. Everybody thinks that that person is actually doing really cool things that, you know, the people who become super awesome and super known aren't doing it because they were the same as everyone else. They did something to disrupt.Jenny Schatzle 12:00  And just if we're talking in the gym setting, because I've been in it as you had for a very long time. You know, I'm 44 years old now and my body, it hurts. You think it's not gonna happen to you, my knees hurt my hip hurts. I say I'm the captain of the Mod Squad. I own a gym, and I'm the one doing all the modifications in the gym setting. And I'm just gonna be brutally honest here. Nobody gives a shit what you're doing. Right? Like, nobody's actually watching you. Everybody's thinking 100% about themselves. I always joke in our gym, it's, people are just, they don't care. We have people who walk we have people who run and we have people who run really fast. If you're walking next to a person who's running fast, the person running and the person walking is not thinking about oh my gosh, this person is going so slow. They're thinking, when do I get off the treadmill? Right? When is this exercise over? When are we moving on? Like, when can I be? Nobody's watching you thinking that person is doing a terrible job. And that's just the story in our head. So many people always say, oh, I want to come take a class, I'm just scared or I need to get, I need to get in better shape, before I come take a class. (inaudible)Jenny Schatzle 13:04  I always say saying that is like saying you're too dirty to take a shower. I always like to remind everyone why we talk ourselves out of doing what we know is gonna make us feel good, right? Like when you're done with your Pilates, you feel so good. When you're done with a workout in my class, you feel so good. And yet we will sit and we will talk ourselves out of it. Because why? Because we're scared of what other people think because we don't like the size of our body because we think we can't do it. And before we've even tried, and you can't create a new habit, if you don't do it. And so this goes for all things like I tell people, you know, if you say I just want to start walking, you have to actually start walking and you got, you got to do it. Go 10 minutes for five, five days, you know, do 15 minutes of Pilates for 20 days in a row and see how it feels. You have to start and that goes for the same as I would say working out and then the lifelong I think everybody's like, I want to get more sleep, but you're unwilling to turn off the TV. Right? So you have to start like one of my big tricks and I'll go back to what you said too. I I like to give really easy actionable tools, because it's like anything, you can listen to a motivational speech or motivational podcast and you feel great. But then you're just like back to your normal life. Right? So it's before what you said with like, when people start comparing when you start comparing yourself or talking down to yourself, I tell people stop. Put your hand on your heart. And breathe and we're gonna do this together. Ready, everybody listening? Stop right where you are. Put your feet on the ground. Sit up straight. Relax your shoulders. Put your hand on your heart. And I want you to breathe in for five. Ready, breathe in. Go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Now hold, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Breathe out, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Now we're gonna do it one more time. And you're just gonna breathe in and you're gonna breathe out. But when we breathe in, I want you to say, "Here." When we breathe out, I want you to say, "Now." Ready? Breathe in, here. Breathe out, now.Jenny Schatzle 15:23  So when we do that, we get back into our body. So we can remind ourselves, I am here now. And then how do you want to move forward? When we're starting to spiral in comparison, or that we're not good enough, or that maybe we shouldn't go when we know we really do want to show up, stop and do that. Take a breath. It's five in, hold five, out five. And then one more where you say here now. Lesley Logan 15:55  That's beautiful. Jenny Schatzle 15:55  My other tool. I know, right? So good. My other tool is, I'm a big component of, you know, I've never been technically tested or whatever. I have ADHD, I have all the things right? Like, I can't focus. That's why I'm in the fitness world. I get to be loud and dance around and listen to music and meet new people. Lesley Logan 16:15  You can be doing seven things at different times because everyone's doing over here. And you, I'm here. Brad and I are both undiagnosed.Jenny Schatzle 16:23  It's where I thrive, like I thrive in chaos. (Inaudible) Like, for me to sit still is really hard. I thrive in chaos. Anyway, so I have to set timers for myself. So for me, one of my big things is like, I am a mom, I have kids, like my alone time is at night. It's also where I do things that don't serve me like stay up too late watching TV, you know, I need sleep. So what, but I also don't believe in drastic, like takeaways from your life and things that like, it does make me happy to lay in bed and watch TV. And so I set timers now I'm like, okay, I'm gonna watch TV, either I'm gonna watch an episode for whatever it is, 30 minutes or an hour. Okay. And then after that, I set a timer for 20 minutes and I read and then I go to bed. So I'm doing one thing I enjoy. And I also enjoy reading. But reading before bed also helps me sleep better. Yeah, so it's not like I'm telling myself, you can't watch TV. But also, I don't want to watch. I mean, I do want to watch three hours of TV, but it doesn't serve me, right?Lesley Logan 17:26  Every time I stay up late to watch I'm like, I'm just gonna finish this. I regret it the next one, like why didn't I just space that show out three nights?Jenny Schatzle 17:33  Always. And it's not like watch it the next day, but I do have to cut myself off. So like, if I know the show is 45 minutes, I will literally set a timer and the timer goes off at the end. I'm like, okay, I need to turn it off. Because I need like a tool that's going to actually make me do it. Yeah, if that makes sense. Lesley Logan 17:51  It totally makes sense. Jenny Schatzle 17:51  I use it for everything in my life. You know, if I have to study for something. If I have to clean the kit- you've seen on my Instagram, I do a lot of the 10-minute cleanup, I'm a pretty messy person if we're being honest, but I like to clean the house. So I set a timer for 10 minutes, I can clean up as much as I can. And then I walk away. And some, you know, it takes me usually longer, but at least it gets it started. Anyway, I think setting a timer to do things is really helpful. Lesley Logan 18:18  We actually, we have kitchen timers around this house for everything because I was just before this interview, I was on a call with my assistant. And she's like, so and so wants to make sure this is gonna get done. I'm like, well, you can tell so and so that there was no time in the calendar for me to do that. And I'm going to do it. And it's gonna get done. When I can get it done. I'll have it to her by Monday just gives me like three days. But when I go to do that thing, I always set a timer for 15 minutes and everything's on Do Not Disturb. And there's actually a study that if you have a visible timer near you, you actually stay more focused. And for someone like me with undiagnosed ADD, it's really helpful because believe it or not, I can even write that newsletter in 15 minutes, because I am so focused, I'm like in it, I'm thinking of the person that it's going to help. But if I'm like, oh, I'm gonna sit down and then at this hour I have my time I can write my newsletters. I'll take the whole hour because everything will take the time we like give it so setting a timer for a project also allows you if you have multiple things to do that day, you can at least get them started. You can do 10 minutes of pickup and then go timer goes up. Okay, now I'm going to do 10 minutes of like getting back to people on these emails, you're never going to clean up the inbox, but you're at least going to feel like you've got something done. And you move the needle forward in your day. So we're big fans of timers around here.Jenny Schatzle 19:29  I love that. Same thing. Yeah. And that's one thing that's actually, really changed my life. Lesley Logan 19:34  Yeah, and I also, also messy not dirty, there's a difference like Brad's like can you just do something about your socks and I'm like, I just take them off wherever I am like that. I'll get them later.Jenny Schatzle 19:46  It's funny we laugh a lot. And we all have different things right? Like I'm I'm pretty messy at home but in the gym. I'm like crazy about the weights. The weights being stacked and the gym being super clean. It's pretty funny and people give me a hard time about it.Lesley Logan 19:58  Okay, one of the things I love about you is we're both fast talkers, we get to a lot in a little bit of time. You have two daughters, they cracked me up, you're so big on making sure that they are protected from hearing like terrible words. And something that you probably don't know is that around Thanksgiving, you post a thing about like ways to you know, handle rude or weird comments at the holidays and like also like how to handle those conversations. And in my coaching group, our our size diverse coach actually took that post and put it in her channel has like, hey, guys, this is that time of year where our customer, our clients say weird things. They're nervous to go home, here's some things you can arm them with. So for our listeners who you know, haven't gone back yet into, you guys are gonna binge on her Instagram. Before I hit play on this interview, I watched what you post about pink and I just cried. What are your things to help make sure that those family members around us who are not on board with like, what the lifestyle we want to live? How do we protect their terrible energy from harming our kids and even ourselves when we are like trying to live in this new place we love the body that we have?Jenny Schatzle 21:03  Yeah, I feel like I've been trying to get this question asked in all podcasts, and you're like the first person to ask this (inaudible). Thank you. Yeah, so and I am really big on honestly talking to moms about body image. So one thing I want to say too, is, yes, I'm trying to protect my kids. And also, it's impossible. And my kids obviously don't have phones, they're six, but they're gonna grow up with phones, social media, the media in general, because people will say to me, well, how are you going to keep them from hearing this message out in the world, but the stronger the message is at home, the stronger the base they have, and that is the goal. And again, it's not bad to tell your kids that they're pretty because I've had people message me and say, well, nobody ever said I was pretty nobody ever and I'm like, oh, I see that too. But I don't, we don't use like when my kids come out and they say do you like my outfit? Or anytime they walk out we always say, oh, you look so powerful. How do those clothes feel on your body? And they're like, good. So it's just kind of slightly changing the conversation? Or they say, How do I look? And I'm like, You look powerful. How do you feel? And so just having these slight interactions at home, we don't first think, oh, you look so pretty. That's not what we start with. And also, every holiday do a post, for the most part, and this isn't in every family. But for the most part, commenting, I'm very big on commenting on people's bodies, and that we don't do that anymore. And this even goes women to women, friends to friends, but a lot of times, especially around the holidays, going back home, I want a lot of people to know that most people don't do it to be mean, it's what is ingrained in them. And it's what they know. So even asking somebody, if they've lost weight is really triggering for a lot of people. And that person, your mom or your aunt or your cousin, they think you're giving a compliment. And I want to remind people that it's not a compliment. Okay, it's it's not only triggering, but underneath it all, it's telling us so many things. One, if somebody's like, oh, have you lost weight? We're getting this internal message that this person who just said that, they're paying attention to our body. They are paying attention to what we look like. And so I mean, I always say is have you, have you ever had somebody tell you you've lost weight and then the next time you saw them, maybe you've put some weight back on, and all you can think about is oh shit, they're gonna notice, right? Because we remember those things. And we remember the person, our body is a value to them, because they have now told us that they recognize and are paying attention to the size of our body. And so I think a lot of us, we don't think about that. And I always say, I'm not trying to be right, I'm just trying to create awareness, because so much of this language around bodies, is ingrained in us. And so a couple years ago, before I went back, I live in California, and I'm from Minnesota, and I sent a text to my family. And because I do this for a living and my family very much still talks about body and I grew up in a body-obsessed family. And then I went into the fitness world. So it continued very strongly and I said to them, basically, and I did post on my Instagram, but basically, how we talk to our family is, come from love, not from anger, because the minute you start blaming somebody and pointing the finger, like you said this, you can't say this around my kids, people's walls come up and they get very defensive. And we're trying to actually really create change. So we want to have very heartfelt open conversations. So I always start with this is what I've struggled with, you know, I've struggled with my body my entire life. And I'm really trying to change that for my children. That's number one. So I put out what I've struggled with and that I, as the mother of my children, I'm trying to change it for my children. Two, I asked for their help. So I'm going to ask for your help in this because you are a really big part of my children's lives. So I include the family in, right? Like, you are important, my kids are listening to you, they look up to you. And so I'm hoping that you'll help me in this. And what I'm asking is, please don't make any body comments about my body, my children's bodies, other people's bodies, you can do whatever you want, when I'm not around. But when I'm there with my children, could you just please respect that? And then on the third, I say, I love you and we're all trying to get better. And just, I really appreciate your help in this. So at first talk about my struggles, I then asked for their help with which also putting a little prompt in like, you know, you're a big part of this, I love you, my kids love you. And then thanking them and it has been really successful. Lesley Logan 25:44  I love it because it's, you take the responsibility, and you invite people, people always want to be asked to help people always want to feel like they're participating in a positive way. And they, and also people want to do it right. So if you tell them what not to do, that's not the same as telling them what to do. So, Joseph Pilates would never tell anyone what not to do. He would never say don't in a session. You would never hear him say that's not right, don't do that. He would only tell you what to do. And so in the same, as exactly how I teach people in Pilates, but that's exactly what you're saying here. It's like you're not telling your mom, hey, you used to talk badly about my body, it made me really self-conscious and I don't want to do that on my daughter's. That's not helping her understand what she can say around them or like what is possible. And of course, you're gonna shut down, the walls and they're gonna feel like they don't do anything, right. And so I love the way you phrase that I think that's amazing. Everyone, we'll have it in the blog on the website. So you could just go and copy and paste for your family texts.Jenny Schatzle 26:40  And it's funny when I sent it, everybody was like, oh, like, how did your family respond? And I'll be honest, my family did not respond. So just, everyone should know that nobody texted back. Nobody responded. And then no one said anything while we were there.Lesley Logan 26:56  One of the major holidays.Jenny Schatzle 26:57  You might not get the response, and this is also to like, everybody's family is so different and also, it's so hard because I think a lot of times, especially when we are trying to break cycles and change conversations within our own families, we're hurt. And we, and it's upsetting. A lot of our family members aren't trying to be, they literally don't know better. They just have to think about like, how were they brought up? Who said, you know, anytime body comments are made, this is also a good reminder for us. Because, you know, we all think things it's you can't say like, don't judge because we're going to judge, but you can, in the moment of judgment. I've said this on your podcast. In the moment, the first thing we think is what is ingrained. The second thing we think, or what we do after that is who we want to be, right? So we judge, but then we get to shut ourselves down like, oh, wait, why do I care what she's wearing? That's none of my business. I don't even know her, right? Like, oh, so and so's body? What? Why do I care? What, I, that's none of my business. And so people who talk about other people's bodies, and we know this, we just have to remember this. It's everything to do with their body. You know, and so always think like, how did they grow up? What is ingrained in them? And so not trying to be right, like, get angry, I'm just trying to create awareness. Like, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't say this. And even when you have these conversations, and a lot of times, you're not going to get the response you want, like, you are so right, I am so sorry. You know, thank you. What we want people (inaudible), but a lot of times people might shut down or people just might not respond. But the fact is, you've planted the seed and now they're thinking about it. So you need to go in with I'm just trying to create awareness, not get the response I need.Lesley Logan 28:44  Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really amazing to understand our expectations, you know, to manage our expectations so that it's, it can be a change. And I thank you for updating us on how it went, which is that no one said anything about bodies and what a, what a cool Christmas.Jenny Schatzle 29:02  It's a reminder to and to shut it down. What were they saying? I don't think I actually ended up pushing. I made a video of it. Because after I went to lunch, there was a group of women and somebody made a comment about like, bathing suits and their bodies and trying on and then I was like, I was like, this is not the lunch I signed up for like I came to talk with some awesome powerful women. And like we're all fabulous. And you know what? And I looked at my friend and I said, are you an able body? Are you healthy? Do you feel good? And she's like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm like, great. Let's start respecting that. And you know what, I got more important things to talk about, than what we look like in bathing suits, because I think we all look fabulous. And what's really going on? How's your marriage? Right? It's like, a lot of times, when we're talking about body and food, it's because we don't want to talk about the real stuff. And I don't want to sit around with a bunch of women and talk about how fat we are like how big your ass is, how you don't like, you know, I want to be able to support each other in a really positive way. And so it's like, okay, you're not feeling good in your body. What's really going on? Like, let's really talk about it. Lesley Logan 30:07  Yeah, I like how you make it a fun joke. And then like, like kind of just like bring it to people's attention, because it's one of those things. It's like a domino effect, someone says something that someone else goes, and like, let's just be really honest, I don't know who the fit models are for bathing suits, but you're never just pick the size that fits you and don't, just tear the tag out ladies like you don't, it doesn't matter that you don't get to buy the small or the medium. Because no one sees a tag on the outside. Just pick the bathing suit that makes you feel good, and let it go and be the abled, I love what you call it, able-bodied. We forget that we have the ability to get out into the pool and go run around and go swim. And so like, there's, that's the least of our worries. It's like, if we look good enough in a bathing suit when no one's paying attention to you looking in a bathing suit.Jenny Schatzle 30:51  And most people don't, I'm gonna be honest, like, there's some staggering statistic like 90 something percent of women dislike their body. I mean, it's gut-wrenching. And so what are we doing to change that? You know, what we need to do? We need to show up in our body today. That's what we need to do. We need to stop basing our conversations with other women around how much we hate our bodies. Our kids don't grow up and are like, you know what, I'm really glad my mom never gotten a bathing suit. I talk a lot about moms because I am a mom. And I do believe that moms, and I'm in a very progressive marriage. But I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I run this house, right, and like our energy, and it's statistically known also that, how if we're talking about women, I do speak to women. But this goes for girls and boys, our kid's body image is directly affected to a mother's body image. And so if we want our children to have an, you know, I have a lot of moms and say, well, I don't ever talk bad about my body in front of my kids. It's an energy, like, we possess it. And our kids know, like, we, how we show up in our body is an energy and so and how we change that conversation is we have to, and when I say this, I don't wake up every day, like, I'm amazing, my body's perfect. Like I, I'm 30 pounds heavier than I was, when I probably technically, right like looked my best, according to society. But my body image was worse. Because I was so obsessed with food and body that it took me out of living my life. Now, I'm heavier, but I am at my healthiest, I feel so strong. And I'm confident in the way that if I don't feel if I'm having a bad body image day, I will still put on the shorts and I will still go out into the world. Like I will show up in my body every single day because I can even when I don't want to. And I think that's really what it's about. And it's about showing my girls that there is all these different size bodies, and my kids are not going to grow up and say, I'm really glad my mom never got in the water. I'm really glad my mom covered her arms and her thighs and never showed her belly. No kid is gonna say that. And so I don't care if you were a moomoo, a bikini, a one piece, like show up to your life in your body, show up with your kids get in the frickin water. And who cares. Like I did a whole thing about spring break. And going with like, a lot of times you go to spring break with other families, and you're so worried about the other moms and what they look like in their body and what they're gonna think, well guess what? They're worried about the same shit. It's like, just put on the frickin suit, go get in the pool, eat a burger by the pool and have some fun with your family and your friends. We're missing out on Ives, because we're so obsessed about what other people think of our bodies.Lesley Logan 33:33  Yeah. Oh my gosh, clearly, we could keep going. I I love when we get together. I really wish I had an excuse to go walk with you on the beach again, in Santa Barbara, like we did. That was the best time. Okay, y'all are gonna just follow her. But we're gonna find out where we could follow her and her Be It Action Items for us in just a brief second. Lesley Logan 33:50  All right, Jenny. So people are gonna want to binge out on all of your content. They want to like literally get all of this reminders all the time, because my goodness, I agree. Ladies, please keep showing up and showing yourself out there in the world. It doesn't have to be on social media, because it helps people see all the different beauties that are out there. But where can people find you follow you and connect with you?Jenny Schatzle 34:10  Thank you. Yeah, Instagram is my biggest platform. So come to my Instagram, I answer all my DMs. So if you have questions, please message me. I love to hear from you guys. Yeah. And I just, I hope that you, we are all here for the conversation. And we're out there breaking the cycle, because it is not easy. This is one of the hardest things. (Inaudible) I'm 10 years sober. And this is way harder than getting sober. Right? Like learning to accept your body and who you are. But every time, every single listener out there, every time you show up as your authentic self, you give women around you permission to do the same.Lesley Logan 34:46  Yeah, you do. You know like there's so much that you have taught me from before I had you on the pod from when I just got to know you and to follow you. And then different times I have been able to experience you. You're right, there are certain things that are ingrained in us and I'll say it are all here (inaudible) hold on that's actually not how I feel about myself. That's not how I want to feel. And you help me be it till I see it. So I know you're gonna help our listeners. Before I let you go bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jenny Schatzle 35:18  Oh, I love it. Okay, one, the breath. We went over there. And that was a huge tool. It doesn't cost you anything. You can do it at any time. Two, we both have this tool, set your timers. Alright? Let's get on a time, let's like start something. Can we like, we're going to start.Lesley Logan 35:31  Let's do a timer challenge. Jenny Schatzle 35:32  A challenge like we'll come up with (inaudible) together, make it official. And then the third thing is, and I'm just gonna be honest, this is again, it sounds like a cheesy self-help thing and it's changed my life. People, you got to journal, I'm coming out with a 90 ways in 90 days, and it's 90 days of body image journal prompts. So keep your eye out on that. But even before that, people throw this tool away. Like it's like, it's so funny. I think a lot of times, we make things harder than they need to Lesley Logan 36:04  Yeah, because I'm gonna tell you, my listeners are gonna want to know what should they journal?Jenny Schatzle 36:07  (Inaudible) 90 ways in 90 days to love your body. And so, but for now, until that comes out. For now, again, set your timer. Okay, here's what you do. Sit down, do your breath. Set your timer for five minutes. And literally write everything that's going on in your head. I call it free writing. It's just even if you're writing, I don't know what to write, the thoughts will start to come out. It's five minutes. Don't worry about grammar. Don't worry about punctuation. This is again, one of such an easy tool that doesn't cost money that will literally, five minutes today, it can change your life. And it boosts creativity. If you're feeling stuck not only in your body, but in work or in your family or in your relationships. Guaranteed. If you were to start free writing five minutes a day, in 30 days, things would be different.Lesley Logan 36:56  I agree. Okay. I can't wait for your journal to come out. You have to let me know so I can promote it here on the pod and share with people. (inaudible) Oh, please, please, please. I'm so in. I am, I love a good prompt and I actually think that there's so many journals out there that are prompting us about mantras and affirmations. But like this is the journal that all these women are needing and imagine what's gonna happen, oh my God, I can't wait, there's got to be a 90-day challenge, we're gonna have to do that, too. So just let me know when we're all signed up for that. Jenny Schatzle, every time I see you, you just bring so much joy to my heart and my life and no matter where my level of vibration was, which is already in a great spot. I'm already in another spot and I've learned so much from you. So thank you for being the woman that you are and really helping all of us. And I'm not getting, my, my entire Agency community like follows you and we put you in this one channel because you also have helped, you know, for Pilates instructors, we want to say things that are gonna be helpful for our clients. And so in that channel, the girl is like instead of saying like, oh, you look like you've lost weight, which is a thing that a Pilates instructor or gym teacher could end up saying to people in that environment would can be what used to be considered appropriate. But instead it's like, oh, you look so strong today. Oh, I love that you did this exercise. Wow, you're so fun to be around. You're like, your energy's amazing class. Like, all those things are super complimentary, make people feel so seen and have nothing to do with their actual body. Like what it looks like, which is so great. So you have really been such a part of our lives in that way. So thank you. Y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let Jenny Schatzle know. Tag her. Tag the Be It Pod and you send this to a friend, send this to the friend who's complaining about her bathing suit so that she can hear it from us instead of you. If you don't feel comfortable telling her yet right and and so, thank you so much everyone and until next time, be it till you see it.Lesley Logan 38:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Lesley Logan 39:18  Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Sometimes, the biggest barrier to living up to your values is you. In this real play, fitness instructor and CEO of Bond Fitness, Jenny Schatzle, shares her mission to change diet culture and help moms radically accept their bodies. Diana Hill uses ACT and compassion-focused interventions to help uncover and transform the hidden barriers to making Jenny's mission a reality.In this episode, Dr. Diana Hill demonstrates.How to uncover client valuesThe three common barriers to taking committed action toward your dreamsA self-compassion visualization to uncover your wisest selfHow therapists can have a big impact on your clients in a short period of time“I think I got more out of that one session than in years of therapy.” -Jenny SchatzleRelated ResourcesGet enhanced show notes for this episodeSubscribe to my free Wise Effort newsletter.Become a Wise Effort member to support the show.Want to learn more about ACT? Take Diana's on-demand course, "Foundations of ACT"Diana's EventsCome to Diana's Costa Rica retreat in 2024...get on the waitlist!See Diana at an upcoming eventConnecting With DianaThank you for listening to Wise Effort! Subscribe to the podcast for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts. Follow Diana on YouTube, Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, and Diana's website.Leave feedback for the show or a voicemail at ‪(805) 457-2776Thank you to the team Craig, Ashley Hiatt, and Yoko Nguyen. Thank you to Benjamin Gould of Bell & Branch for your beautiful music.We can put our energy where it matters most and savor the good along the way.

Today on the podcast we have a conversation with Jenny Schatzel. Jenny is a speaker and coach who was in the fitness industry for 20 years and then also transitioned into motivational speaking 10 years ago. She has given hundreds of talks to thousands of people all around the world; sharing the mindset that saved her and influencing women everywhere to show up and become their very best selves. Today, she teaches women how to love their body and is working on changing the conversation on Body Image and Health. She is also the author of the book: Breaking The Cycle.  We have a wonderful conversation and dialogue today on body image,  her journey in fitness and how it's evolved, how we can all work to heal our relationships with ourselves, and her work with Moms Demand Action.  Text JOIN to 64433 to find your local Moms Demand Action chapter. To learn more you can visit: http://jennyschatzle.com  or follow on instagram @jennyschatzle If you would like to receive a free health coaching consultation-- get in touch at courageouswellness.net or email aly@courageouswellness.net or erica@courageouswellness.net    Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review Courageous Wellness! We release new episodes each #WellnessWednesday   You can also follow us on instagram @CourageousWellness    This Episode is brought to you by BTR Nation. Save 20% on BTR Plant-Powered & Adaptogenic Protein Bars & Chocolate Truffle Cups -- with the cleanest label on the market -- with code: courageouswellness at checkout when you visit: https://www.btrnation.com Erica loves the Cinnamon Cookie Dough Energy Bars and Cherry Chocolate Truffle Cups & Aly always has the peanut butter chocolate bliss bars in her cabinet!   This Episode is brought to you by Odyssey Elixir. Save 20% on Odyssey Sparkling Mushroom Elixir with code: CWPODCAST at checkout when you visit: http://odysseyelixir.com  Our personal favorite flavors include: Dragon fruit Lemonade and Orange Ginger!    This episode is brought to you by Milk+Honey.  To receive 20% off your purchase visit www.milkandhoney.comand use code: CWPODCAST (all one word) at checkout! Milk+Honey is a line of non-toxic, effective, and safe bath, body, and skincare products made in small batches in Austin, Texas.    You can also save 20% on all spa treatments at Milk+Honey Spa locations in Los Angeles, Chicago, Texas, Miami and get a special rate on a curated Courageous Wellness Retreat Spa Package that includes a 60 minute massage and dry brushing. Book over the phone or online and visit: milkandhoneyspa.com    Shop Vintners Daughter + Get 2-Day Free Shipping   Meet NED: You can receive 15% off our favorite Ned CBD products, including the Hormone Balance Blend and the Full Spectrum Hemp Oil, go to www.helloned.com and enter the code CWPODCAST at checkout   We are so excited to partner with Seed! You can save 15% on Seed Synbiotic by using code: courageous15 at checkout. Head to www.seed.com to learn more.    Save 20% on Sakara clean boutique and meal delivery with code: xocourageous at checkout!    Are you interested in becoming a health coach or furthering your nutrition education? We loved our program at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition and are happy to offer our listeners a discount on tuition! To receive up to $2000 off tuition (for payments in full and $1000 off tuition for payment plans) you can use our name Aly French or Erica Stein when you enroll. To learn more you can also take a Sample Class, check out the Curriculum Guide, or visit the application page to enroll. 

Overwhelm or overload? Brad and Lesley break down Sunitha Sandeep's approach to understanding life's pressures. Discover the difference and find your path to acceptance. Through personal anecdotes and expert insights, they offer a roadmap to navigating life's most challenging moments.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why doing something solely for money can kill your passion for it.How passion and purpose can be expressed in multiple ways.The difference between "being" versus "doing".Why feeling overloaded is different from feeling overwhelmed.How a change of environment can help you get past feeling stuck.The positive results of changing your definition of a win.Episode References/Links:2023 West Coast Summer Pop Up TourAgency coaching team waitlistEp 95: Learn and Relearn Your Body's Dialogue (ft. Jenny Schatzle)"The Power of No Bundle" resource by JJ DiGeronimoJJ DiGeronimo's website  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship Join us at our West Coast Summer Pop Up Tour - Aug. 8-20, 2023Join us at Agency Mini - Sept. 10-16, 2023Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023FREE Ditching Busy WebinarAmy Ledin - Episode 5: "How to take fast action against limiting beliefs" ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:03  Because for the first time in my life, there's so much possibility for me because I'm not stuck on what was done to me. Yeah, I am literally in a place where I can make change. I can make decisions, I can make different things happen. And I made it a point to do everything differently based on accepting where I exist. I was in that moment. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the harmoniously profound convo I had with Sunitha Sandeep.I just want to say I said it very well, in our last episode, if you haven't yet, listen to this interview, to that interview, this interview, whatever. Feel free to pause this now go back and listen that one and then come back and join us. Sorry, my brain was thinking about, like, if there's a speech therapist who listened to this podcast, or probably like this girl, just want you to know, I did speech therapy. It's gotten a lot better. You should have heard it before. Thank you, I had a lot of like permanent teeth removed. I have a very small mouth and a big tongue. It's like, it's everything. I do not have a list. Okay, so we're working on it.Brad Crowell 7:05  Anyways, okay. Well, I'veLesley Logan 7:07  Well, I've been to speech therapy. And I just can tell sometimes I can't get some of those sounds together. So thanks for the people who put words together. I'm like, well, here we go. Today is August 17, national nonprofit day. So go support your favorite nonprofit. If you don't have one, I've got two for you. I actually have a few for you. So Bloom organization helps and what girls who have been bullied, handle how to handle that bullying and also prepare them to like understand have empathy for bullies that are out there and rise above that.Brad Crowell 7:40  Now we support Bloom with OPC. Lesley Logan 7:42  Yes. And then the cupcake girls are doing some badass shit when it comes to sex workers rights and support. And also that involves actually supporting people human traffic because human trafficking exists. Because the reality is we make sex work illegal, and then pimps get involved and shit happen. So go check out the cupcake girls and really understand that kind of work. I think it's going to really change your mind around how sex work exists, why it exists, and how we can be more kind and loving to those in that industry.Brad Crowell 8:20  We support the cupcake girls with Profitable Pilates. Lesley Logan 8:22  Yes, we do. And they're just doing some awesome stuff. So shout out to both of those. However, if you're like, Well, what about the homeless Lesley? Hungry? Remember hung? What was the one in LA? It's just left my mind.Brad Crowell 8:39  Hunger?Lesley Logan 8:41  No, it was it was lunch on me, lunch on me.Brad Crowell 8:45  It's an LA based one, but they have (...)Lesley Logan 8:48  They have more locations and they're doing some really great work. I really love them. people's concern does work with homeless communities. If you haveBrad Crowell 8:56   If you have a if you have a favorite charity, you know, today's national nonprofit day. Yeah. So support your local nonprofits.Lesley Logan 9:03  And we'll post this on Instagram, as well. So just like this episode, just like toss your favorite nonprofits in there because we're always looking for different nonprofits to support so yeah, I love to explore. And then we are still on tour...(Brad: We're still on tour right now.) Thanks. Balance body. We're still on tour. Yeah. We are currently in Idaho.Brad Crowell 9:24  17th. Yeah, we just finished Spokane. We're in Idaho, and we're gonna be heading to Whitefish in two days.Lesley Logan 9:30  We're just hanging out. So there's no class. You're not missing anything. My Idaho wins. I love you. But we'll be in Whitefish. Hi, Delia. In a couple days I'll be in Salt Lake. And then we'll city and Utah and they'll be in St. George Utah. And I just love how often we get to go to St. George because there's just a favorite little cafe that I love to hit up and I'm like, they're just so great. I'm so and that then I come home for like seven maybe not even days and I'm in Poland. So you can take privates with me there you can some take some workshops. with me there I am bringing some flashcards there. I don't know that'll be in Poland next year you all, so this is like this is it for a bit, then we'll come back. And literally a couple days later rock our seven day Coaching Program Agency MINI of Profitable Pilates program. It's our ninth iteration of this program. So it's just like a ninth edition I should say edition. And we it is a really awesome one. So you're gonna want to make sure you go to profitablepilates.com/miniBrad Crowell 10:26  If you are on the waitlist, at this point, it's available. So jump in, yeah, jump in.Lesley Logan 10:33  And then we wrap it up, hang tight for a couple weeks hanging out with our Agency peeps, our OPC peeps plan some stuff. And then we go to Cambodia, which some of you I've just found out, I just heard that we're doing Cambodia, so hi we're going to Cambodia. I'm super excited about that. And then you can go to lesleylogan.co/retreat November, at the time that we're recording this, we're still working on the details, it's possible that those details have like manifested themselves. So you know, if you are curious, go take a look at what we've got going on. And then December, we're back on the road for our winter tour, which we don't have all the details yet. But don't worry. By September, we will have a lot of things locked and loaded. So my dear before we go on to Sunitha. What is our audience question?Brad Crowell 11:19  Yeah. So today, we had a double header here. What are your favorite things to take on tour? And what are the things you miss the most about home while you're on the road? Lesley Logan 11:30  Yeah, so this is super fun. Because obviously, we are on tour right now and people are like, because it's a long time to be on the road. And we are living out of our van. So obviously we're missing some things. So Babe, what are you missing?Brad Crowell 11:45  Well, I'm gonna cleverly answer one thing for both questions. And that is the dogs.Lesley Logan 11:51  We take the dogs when we can and we miss the dog. And we can't That's right. Yes,Brad Crowell 11:55  yeah. Or that and also, I miss our latte machine. Yeah, yeah, I do miss that.Lesley Logan 12:02  I'm still trying to figure out how that's coming on the road with us being recorded. I have high hopes for this. But it's, it is possible. It is not with us and we are stopping at random random places. But that's what makes it that's also what's so fun on the road except for West Texas. You got to get it together. I'm just going to call you out right now. Also, West Kansas, East Colorado. You all need new latte places. I'm just saying it. Okay, but we do like our latte machine, but I'm working on it. I don't want to piss people off. But I'm just gonna say it's a lot of cows or fields that could have them and there's no milk. There's no lattes. So anyways, I will say my favorite things to take on the tour. Obviously, I love to take the dogs when we can take the dogs it really (...) it's so fun. I hate leaving them behind Bayon looks at me every time I leave the house and I'm like I found you. I found you. I did not figure this out. But I also I miss my red light therapy. I miss my (...) I miss the equipment because sometimes I'll take a when a chair or a former or a spine corrector so when we can take those things and I can actually take them out and do them I feel really great. But like on this tour it's not like we can just like unload equipment everywhere we're going we're like literally sleeping in a parking lot so I am missing like access to my studio whenever I want it. I also will say this I do when I'm on more out on the road. I actually sleep really well. We don't have the dogs sleep really good. When we're on the road with the dog I sleep better than when I'm at the house. Because they don't get up in the car. They stay there they have nowhere to go so they sleep better in the moment. We should sit with them now with the dogs like maybe that's the thing. Anyways, other things that I love to take on tours or traveling I should say I have a sensate. We actually have a discount code for the sensate I haven't created an ad for it yet but I take my sensate it helps me fall asleep whenever I need to. It's just really calming. And it's just like a little thing you lay on your chest and just helps like your vagus nerve and I just love taking that when I travel. And that's why I miss my red light therapy and my (...) mat because sometimes I use my sensate with both of those things. I also miss our cactuses I miss our backyard. I was thinking about that I miss our I actually miss our regular schedule. I love going to the gym at the casino. I think it's fabulous. I think it's so fun. I love our people we work out with so of course I missed those people. And I miss our house and our bed. So I missed a lot of things we're on the road I'm really honest. I missed convenience for sure. But to take on the tour, I do think work and equipment can sensate I take I take any work and equipment I might need or I get a gym membership and those things and then it's Oh chocolate collagen and AG1. AG1 for the win. They're also a sponsor of the podcast. So put the link below. But that if I can have AG1 in the morning, so my chocolate called in my latte at some place that has oat milk, and my sensei feels and I can get some steps and I feel like we're good. We're good to go.Brad Crowell 15:15  I love it. Okay.Lesley Logan 15:16  Anyways, thanks for those questions. You can send your questions in to the Be It pod. We love answering them. It's kind of fun to think about, like, what is our favorite thing? So thank you.Brad Crowell 15:40  Okay, now let's talk about Sunitha Sandeep. Sunitha is a thought provoking transformational coach who helps women find their authentic selves, guiding them towards mindful awareness, acceptance, and a deep sense of balance. Sunitha was it was really interesting to hear. You know how she works with people. She was talking a lot about the somatic. Lesley Logan 16:07  Yeah, third somatic person. Cymatics are like the thing.Brad Crowell 16:12  Yeah, well, also, I think when you, I think that this whole conversation about overload and overwhelm, and how it's connected to Cymatics. I thought it was really interesting. You know, like, I don't think I ever even heard of Cymatics until like a year ago. SoLesley Logan 16:30  I know, two good friends who are like very famous, amazing Cymatics people, but I, you already I can't talk about what I love. Like I love some of you love but we'll talk about in a second. So I'm going to ask really quick. She said, she talked a little about your livelihood doesn't equate to your passion and purpose. And I thought this was really interesting, because there's so many people out there that are like, what did you love as a child? That's what you want to do as an adult? Or like, like all...Brad Crowell 16:57  What are you passionate about, you should do that, you should ge paid for it.Lesley Logan 17:00  And like, she said, it works for some people. But it doesn't have to work for everybody. And I couldn't fucking agree more.Brad Crowell 17:08  Yeah, I'm, I mean, I've talked about this before, a couple of episodes ago, where, you know, when I was younger, I thought I will do whatever it takes to do a job to get paid the money I want to get paid so that I can do the things that I want to do. And the example I gave was, I would shuffle shit from one corner of the barn to the other corner of the barn, if that was what brought in the money. And at the time, I said, I don't, I'm not in on that. And I'm still not in on that. But I also think that you know, doing something that you're passionate about can actually destroy your passion for it if you're doing it for the money, right? Lesley Logan 17:50  Well, that's like, hello, read the Book of Big Magic. Like a lot of people you see making money off of a talent or a gift or a passion that they have. They didn't start out trying to make it make money.Brad Crowell 18:06  That's right. Lesley Logan 18:07  They like the woman who wrote Big Magic. Eat, Pray Love. Her name is coming to me. I'm sorry, guys. You're shouting at me, as you're driving, and Elizabeth Gilbert. Wow. So she was like, she did not actually give up her job as a professor at a university. Even after Eat Pray Love (...). She didn't give it up until after she like, even after she sold it to a movie. Like she did not give it up until she knew that like she wouldn't have to stress her gift, her passion to make money she like it would be okay. And I loved her doing. I loved her sharing that because I think it's so easy for us to think oh my god, I read a book and I saw it as a novel. And then it's this thing. And I actually taught another national best selling author and I watched her. I had to see her negotiate that she loves what she does. And also there's all these demands that come with it. And like it's this thing. So Sunitha said, like, Oh, I'm passionate about dancing, so I need to dance. And she said, No, you're passionate about expressing. And dance is just one form of it. You can express it anywhere. And I loved that as well. Because what if you injure yourself? And then you're like, oh my god, I can't dance anymore. So I'm nothing.Brad Crowell 19:21  And it well, also, I think she said that, 100% there, you know, you could hurt yourself. But she also said that your passion changes throughout your life. Yeah. So if you've locked yourself in on this thing, because you're passionate about it, what happens in five years when you're not as passionate about it? I mean, this I feel like this happened for me with music. What I realized is that actually what I'm passionate about are people and building relationships and, and the puzzle, I'm passionate about puzzles. The puzzle of building a business, building a company was a similar puzzle as music, but I thought that like music was the the end all be all, and I have to be doing that. And I, you know, and but my, my. So I went literally all 100% towards music. And after 10 years of pursuing that, I began realized, like, I don't necessarily need to be doing music. As much as I love the act of doing music, I actually need to be building relationships, and I need to be solving puzzles. And that's when, you know, and that was, that was not really clear to me at the time.Lesley Logan 20:28  Yeah. So I think it's just like, she, I just really enjoyed how she talked about that. Because I do think we put a lot of pressure on like, what's my passion, what's my purpose. And like, I just keep coming back to like, there are plumbers in Boston making a million dollars. I am not sure that all of them were like, I'm so passionate. Plumbing is my purpose. Right? But they are successful plumbers. And they are doing something. And so it's, I just think it's, I think she says it's a problem that we have for this passion, to figure out our passion and our purpose, because that's what we're supposed to do for a living. No, you can do a lot of things for a living. And then you can have passion and purpose that are expressed in different ways I put so much pressure, I find myself like when I'm around like a teenager, I'm like, okay, so what do I talk to them about? Because I definitely don't ask them like, what do you want to be when you grow up? Because I fucking questions terrible. It's too soon, we should really be letting people explore, like, what excites them, and showing them all the ways that that thing that excites them can be expressed in multiple different ways, not just through dance. Yeah, not just through whatever it is. Brad Crowell 21:41  I think her ultimate point about this was about being versus doing...(Lesley: Oh, you are correct). You know, we end up doing because we think, Oh, I'm passionate about this, I'm gonna go do this thing. And she her argument here is what if you be the thing instead of do the thing?...(Lesley: Well, I mean, hello.) And it's possible for them to overlap. But they don't necessarily have to.Lesley Logan 22:09  Yeah. Yeah. So while you're being until you see it, if you I listen to podcast. That's right. Oh, please. I mean, it's why I have run. Okay. What did you love? Brad Crowell 22:19  Alright, I thought this was really profound here. so profound.Lesley Logan 22:23  Hold on, take your notepads out, pull over.Brad Crowell 22:27  Pull over, hold the phone. Okay, so we've all experienced overwhelm, right? Where you just like completely, just shut down. You want to bury your head in the sand, you're all the things. And she said, Hey, there's a, there's a very different... Well, there's a distinction as a better way to say between being overloaded and being overwhelmed. And she said that being overloaded was basically you have too much on your plate, you got too many tasks, too many things you got, you can't you have so much, you can't even keep it on your head, as opposed to being overwhelmed, which is an internal state that persists regardless of the situation that you're in. And the example that she gave on that was, well, I want a vacation and I came back, I still feel terrible. That's overwhelmed. As opposed to you know, like, in the moment, there's too much to do right now to prepare for the thing that's overloaded. Yeah, you know, and I thought, wow, that's really interesting. I think we often misconstrue the two where we feel I'm overwhelmed. But maybe you're actually overloaded. And once this, whatever it is that's happening passes, you're actually (...)Lesley Logan 23:38  I also think that burnout gets titled for both of these. So I like talking about the agency members, when they take a couple days off, like I feel better, I took a break. I said, Congratulations. You are just overloaded, you have too many tasks. So let's do this. What can we take off the plate right now? Like you took a couple days off, like, what can just be pushed to a different deadline. But if they take a couple days off, and they're like, I'm still burned out, then it's an overwhelm. And that's a couple things like, that is how you are internalizing. And she said, how are you handling stress? If you're someone who thinks that, like if you take a break, everything's gonna crumble. That is a state of being as she said, like we this is where you actually do want to consider some sort of like somatic therapy or therapy in general, redefining how you actually engage with your work and the people around you. Because when we go on vacation, oh my god, as soon as we're on the fucking plane, I'm like, Ah, and I always feel great about like, Okay, I just a little overloaded, good. But if I can't get my mind to turn off, I'm like, Oh, I'm stepping back into some old patterns that I have wanted to let go, what's going on and like it's a sign for me that I have some work to do.Brad Crowell 24:59  Hmm, yeah, she I mean, she actually talks about people who feel stuck, and how they, how do you move past feeling stuck? Because it's easy to say this. But, you know, I think one thing you pointed out, which I thought was great was you're like, Well, that sounds so lovely to just like, not be overwhelmed and not be overloaded anymore. But I still have all the fucking things that I got to do in life. And it's not like they're going to stop. You know, she said, yeah, people often feel stuck. And how do you move through that? How do you pass feel like stuck. And she said, it could involve adjusting your environment, because we may associate negativity and trauma with environment. Also, with PTSD, it's, you know, like can also be, you know, changing your environment can be beneficial in that. And she said, a little bit of neutralizing in that, and that will give you a better foundation to build from moving forward. So sometimes that could be a vacation actually. Because you're not in your consistent like routine.Lesley Logan 26:08  You know how good I got at being not overloaded. So Saturday, when you call me and you're like, Hey, babe, are you on your way to the airport? I said, Yeah, I'm gonna have a (...). And you're like, you should be at the airport now. And I was like, Oh, I got so relaxed. Yeah, I'm so why'd you call? I really would have missed that flight. I think like, Y'all, if you normally listen the recaps, and then decide what to listen to. I'm going to be really honest. She has a TED Talk. This girl is a girl. She's human. She is really sharp. She explained things away. I gave her some really like I did. I felt like I have no clue what the hell we're doing. Now. If we like something like, what are we going to do here I saw that she had to do and she really had a great way of handling that. And I feel like I have always wanted to know. And this interview I did this month ago, and I have been so impacted by a change my whole way of understanding my own life. The things I'm doing, I was like, wow, I found a therapy session. So I feel good about it. I think you should check out her shit.Brad Crowell 27:16  Yeah, I mean, she has a program. She's a coach. She's an executive coach. And she works you know, I guess you don't have to be executive to do it. But she has a program with the pillars of awake A W A K E, which the stands for awake awareness within action, kindling and engagement. And if you're interested in her process, you can listen to the last episode, where she does explain kind of each step obviously not like the nuances of each step. That's why you would work with her but like the over the bigger picture review of what those steps are,Lesley Logan 27:50  I mean, I got so much out of just the interview.Brad Crowell 27:53  Yeah, I mean, she, her her help. Her purpose is to help you connect more with your authentic self because we ended up just getting busy with life and commitments. And like we talked about yeses and noes, you know, in last episode, and so the you know, she helps you dig through that connect more to yourself and then decide, you know, how do you how do you enjoy life more, you know? All right. Let's talk about those Be It action items what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can you take away from your combo with Sunitha Sundeep? She said go through the path of acceptance that the number one starts from acceptance period. And this was interesting. It's because out of context, that sounds a little strange. But basically, in order for us to move forward from being stuck in the thing that we are overwhelmed. overload, I guess it would be overwhelmed really, because overload is like short term, it's, it seems like in order to move, you have to accept where you are. And that is a hard thing is to accept where we are, okay, this thing is out of my control, and it's happening and I have to do the things to whatever, but when you accept your current state, it helps you mentally, emotionally, and somatically.Lesley Logan 29:24  Oh, 1,000% 10 years ago, when I was homeless, and then I totaled my car leaving that house that I was no longer living and then the studio call to like, chain none of this happened the same day guy that kind of like happened over a few weeks. At any rate, I just remember going okay. Okay, I'm not gonna blame anyone. I get it. I'm accepting that I'm in this place. I somehow made decisions that got me here. And so what do I do next? And it was the fucking best thing in my life. People literally thought I was a lunatic when you do this, people are gonna say you are crazy person, you guys, like my friends were like, are you okay? I'm like, I'm phenomenal. Because for the first time in my life, there's so much possibility for me because I'm not stuck on what was done to me. Yeah, I am literally in a place where I can make change. I can make decisions, I can make different things happen. And I made it a point to do everything differently based on accepting where I exist. I was in that moment, not making excuses, just like this is where I am. What can I get where I am, I'm part of this and it changed. I had you guys I was fucking couchsurfing. And I had the best days of my life. People were straight, like very worried. And I was like, you be worried. I'm not worried like it was. It's the best thing if that's all you take from this, it's like, except where you are, like, really truly see what happens when you just do it for one day.Brad Crowell 30:51  Yeah, and it's not easy to do. No, you know, but when you when you can, and when you do that. You know, and you actually take a step and look, look at yourself from the side, it leads to awakeness, okay, which is her A W A K E, her process. So, you know, it helps you, it's going to help you like reevaluate things and find a different path.Lesley Logan 31:18   And just really quick, it's also not easy to be doing the life you're doing if you're feeling stuck.Brad Crowell 31:23  That is very true. And I think I think we keep doing the things that we're doing even if they may be detrimental to us because we feel safe with what we know and (...)Lesley Logan 31:36  (...)Brad Crowell 31:37  All right. What about you? Lesley Logan 31:40  I wouldn't mean with all love, okay? So of course, need to shift she emphasized need to shift definition of success and wins. Listen to FYF people I promise you every Friday, when we that's tomorrow, when this episode comes out, it's the next day. I share people's wins. Some of them are huge. And some of them are like little like I told someone No, today, I freaked out a little bit, but I didn't back down. You have to redefine your definition of a win. Yeah, you have to redefine it and have success and you know, it's kind of crazy. It's like, I, I hate like, what is your definition of success? I'm like, I'm living it. So like, why don't you ask me why I'm successful? Because I am. And some of you are some of us because we've been trained, like, what's your definite success as if you're never gonna reach it till you retire. And the truth is, you may have already but you haven't taken the time to understand the wins you've made. And so like I of course, there's changes I want to make, those are things I want to do. There's still some things I want us to have and with our business and the impact we want to make, but we're very fucking successful right now. Because I've changed the definition of what success looks like. So do that. And then there's a couple things. She encouraged us to see the act of trying itself as a win. Yes, yeah. Sorry, Yoda. You're wrong. And I all my all my Star Wars people. Katie don't hurt me. We love Rachel, I love you. Who else I've apologized to?Brad Crowell 33:07  Well, you know, I think this goes to habit building too. You know, like, even if you attempted the thing, but you didn't do the thing. You still attempted the thing.Lesley Logan 33:15  If you remember the thing, right? That you want to do. It's a win is a win. The shift that needs to happen is it's a win. It is because I tried. So win because I tried. So I, I hope that you we really need to come up with a journal paper. Meredith, we need a journal. We need a wins journal. So our listeners can have a winning journal and that every day they can just write a win of the day down. Maybe the win is You didn't forget on yourself. Maybe the win is that you hit traffic and you didn't yell the car next to you. I don't care what the winners, we have to start acknowledging on all the wins that are happening because there is this happens in aÁgency somebody rose posted like a rant and it was totally fine. Like whoever will listen I'm like, absolutely as was for and then I went to the wins channel, and they had not posted and I had to go back and say illegal. Illegal. I'd say thank you so much for sharing this. You gotta go post a win, because not everything is shit. Thanks. And she did. And it was a great win. But it's so important that you understand that the universe is balanced. It really is. But if you focus on your wins, you see them everywhere. It's like I when I focus on desert flowers, I see different flowers everywhere, everywhere. Anyways, I'm Lesley Logan,Brad Crowell 34:34  and I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:35  Thank you so much for listening. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Are you ready to redifine success for yourself? I hope so. Let us know what your new definition is by dragging the Be It pod, tag Sunitha and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:46  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 34:47  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.Brad Crowell 34:47  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Leslie Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:47  It is produced, edited by the epic team at Disenyo.Brad Crowell 34:47  Theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 34:47  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.Brad Crowell 34:47  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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It's not a fad diet. It's not another workout to add that will leave you disappointed. This episode holds the key to transforming your health and making the change stick with strategic ways to make sure you are taken care of first. Everything from the beginning stages of the journey to tips for meal prep. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How you make health and fitness a priority Sharing and allowing support in the journey Non-scale victoriesWhy you need a list of non-negotiablesSeven tips to meal prep made easyBIO: Sara Frenza is a mom to 2 girls, published fitness model & writer, nutrition and body transformation coach, and owner of Sara Frenza Fitness and Nutrition. After gaining over 40 lbs., with each of her pregnancies, she tried multiple diets and programs desperate to find a solution to build a body I felt good about. She finally found a sustainable way to lose over 50 lbs., change her body composition and how to keep the weight off forever. Her mission is to teach other women how to eat and lift their way to the body of their dreams. Through her 1:1 coaching program, she helps women get into shape without restrictive dieting or hours of cardio through her exclusive Restore, Lean out and Sustain body transformation protocol that gets women results foreverEpisode References/Links:Sara Frenza Fitness websiteFollow Sara on IG  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan Hi, Be It babe. Okay, I'm super excited about today's episode. Hello, how are you? How are you really? That's that question that my Breathwork Coach likes to send an email and I always am like, "How am I really right now?" So how are you really? How's it going? You know, it is New Year, lots of stuff going on. And I am excited for today's guest for a couple of reasons. One, she's a mom of two girls. Two, she had a job transformation and life transformation. And it all stemmed from her not enjoying where she was in her life at the time. And I think that if you are someone who has had those moments you're like, "I'm just really frustrated. This is not going the way I want it to go." And thinking that you are the only one a) you're not the only one and b) that is a good place to be. It is. You're like, "Lesley how's that like a place to be?" Because you can't you're not going to change from a place of like, oh, it's going okay. It's fine. Like fine is not like a transformational place. But this fucking sucks. This blows, I don't like how I feel. I don't like, I don't like the energy I'm putting out into the world. I don't like how frustrated I get at things. Like those moments are key for making transformation for making change, for recognizing. Wow, I am so off the path that I wanted to be on right now. And I hope you will hear in her story is how, one, how she actually how she found her thing to do. And then also how she, how she reached out and told people and took them along on the journey. We do not have to do these things alone. Being it till you see it does not mean it is me and me alone. No, it means acting like the person who would have the thing you want to have. How would that person act right now. So remember my story of like, if I'm a CEO of a company, what would I do if I don't know how to do this thing? Oh, the CEO of a company asked someone to help them they have people on their team. So who do I have to ask? Right? So these are the kinds of things I want you thinking about when it comes to taking care of yourself becoming the person you want to have now, not later. Becoming that person you want to be now, have that in your life now. We do not need to wait. So I really like this this episode again. You'll hear her story, you'll hear her journey. She's gonna hear your tips. And I really we talked a lot in her BE IT action items because I'm all about prioritizing yourself and saving yourself time. And this is a really great way to do it. So anyways, have fun with this episode. Let me know how you like it, share it with a friend. By the way, if you leave a review on Spotify, Apple or anything like that, and you screenshot that review and you email it to the beitpod@gmail.com. We can give you a free gift course on how to create a habit quickly. So if you want to implement these BE IT action items more quickly in your life, you're gonna want to have that course. So make sure you screenshot your review and send to the beitpod@gmail.com All right, here Sara Frenza.Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  All right, Be It babe. I am so excited because I have Sarah Frenza on the show today. And I actually met her through another podcast guests we've had on, you remember Jennifer van Barneveld, van Barneveld-Pe. Wow, I said it's so good when I interviewed her. She's a dear friend of mine. And so I love how small the world is, when when women who support women just get together. It's like, oh, here's like, you know, so and so. And it just the the daisy chain of awesomeness continues. And so Sara, thank you for being on the show. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you're working on these days?Sara Frenza  Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here. So first of all, I'm a mom to two girls, and I'm in nutrition and body transformation coach. I'm a published fitness model and writer, two time cover model and owner of Sara Frenza of Fitness and Nutrition. And that's a little bit about what I do right now after going through, you know, my own body transformation, or actually I should call life transformation. I decided that I also wanted to help other women, you know, make their health and fitness a priority and help them and guide them through that. So that's when I decided to also you know, become a coach myself and try and help women feel incredible like like I had experienced going through you know, while I was making my health and fitness a priority.Lesley Logan  Wow, I, so you would not haven't always been on this journey. You were doing something before. What made you realize that like, you had to make your health and fitness a priority? Like what was the was like, the you know, how there's like ... (Sara: The moment.) The moment. What was that moment?Sara Frenza  So so with me, during both of my pregnancies, you know, I had gained a lot of weight. Yeah. And I felt really, really uncomfortable with where I was. But besides all of that, what had happened is that I started feeling some physical symptoms. So I started getting a lot of lower back pain, I started getting plantar I had plantar fasciitis as well, too. And I was we were, we were building a new home. And during that time, I was living with my parents for nine months. And both my girls were four and two years old. And I was experiencing a lot of pain. And I often had to ask my parents who were in their 70s to help me because you know, I don't know if you've, if you know what plantar fasciitis is, if you've ever experienced it. (Lesley: It's terrible.) It's brutal. It's terrible. Like, I thought my foot was broken. So it was at that point where I felt, wow, I am not even 40 years old. And I have a two year old and a four year old and I'm relying on my parents and also my husband to help me. And I felt like I needed to give more to my girls, you know that I wasn't showing up for them. And I knew it was because you know, I wasn't taking care of my health and fitness. I wasn't exercising at that time. I wasn't really making nutrition a priority. And I felt that that moment. This is what happens when you don't (Lesley: Yeah) take care of your health and fitness. Right. (Lesley: Yeah) So it was it was that moment that I decided I need to do something. And not only that, like, I remember going to the chiropractor, and the chiropractor was trying to help me like recover from my lower back pain and everything and she's like, "Your, your, your core is so weak, like, you have to work on that." And, and I was like, "Okay, like she's telling me this, my my body is physically telling me something's not right." And it was at that moment that I decided I needed to do something. So I started off with just trying to eat a little bit healthier, like, you know, make some better choices when it came to nutrition. But then I one of my friends worked with Coach JVB you know, Jenny (Lesley: Yeah) and Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe. And I saw her amazing transformation. And I said, like, "What, what did you do?" Because I was really looking for help at that time. (Lesley: Yeah) And that's when I reached out to Jenny. And I hired her as a coach. (Lesley: Yeah) And she really, she got me into the best shape of my life. But she also taught me a very sustainable way to live a healthy lifestyle. You know, it was no like fad diet. It was just about lifting to get stronger. And it was about this is how we properly nourish your body. (Lesley: Yeah) And it was you know, she she's amazing. You know her right?Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think like I love, I just want to highlight a couple of things like I think when I loved also in your intro, you said like life transformation. I think people can get really hung up on like, if you're focusing on your fitness and nutrition that it must be because you want to look a certain way and like that might be part of it. That could be some people's motivation. But it doesn't have to be, it can also just be that like, you have this one body. And if you want to keep up with life, (Sara: Yes) you it there has to be some muscular abilities in there. Your core is very key, it has to be strong, otherwise you will have lower back pain. Plantar fasciitis is no joke. I mean runners get it too, a lot of people. That's why I love Pilates because there's specific exercises that actually force the foot to stretch in a way so you can prevent that. (Sara: Oh good.) It's cool. Yeah. (Sara: Yeah) And my clients hate it because I'm like, "No, I want that p... I want those toes curled the other way." And they're like, "But that's I don't like to do that." I'm like, "Your, if your foot can't do that, you're gonna have plantar fasciitis my loves." But I am I love that we point this out because I think one, we always have to be ready. So if you're listening this and you're like, you're this sounds like something you've been like thinking about, but you're not there yet. It's, it's okay. Like, no one can force you to get on the journey sooner than you want. And so until you're ready, (Sara: Yeah) you know, keep paying attention to the things that you want that you don't like. But you know, know that that's the thing. And then also, you had you got help. And I (Sara: Yeah) think that that's worth highlighting, because I think so often we see people go through whatever their transformation is, whether it's a job or relationship or anything, and we think, ah, you know, wow, I couldn't do it. They waited. Well, you didn't do it alone, like most people that you see who go through a transformation, except for like that Tom Hanks movie where he was by himself. And even then, they had Wilson, like, we don't, we don't go through things alone. (Sara: No) So so how, what what did you find helped you in your transformation the most? Was it the weights? Or was it your, like, the way you fueled yourself? Was it the way that you prioritized yourself? Was it easy to do these things? Like did your family get on board?Sara Frenza  Yeah, well, you know, what, here's so I want to point out one thing as well, too, like I, I'm a mom, I have two young kids, I had a, I had a full time career in marketing and sales. I got the help because I didn't want to waste time. Right? Was the biggest thing is like, I didn't want to waste time. And for me to in order to make my health and fitness a priority, like I really needed to be organized with my time. And, and what helped me, I mean, it was both of them, the nutrition and the strength training that really helped me. But in terms of getting like, really, really organized with myself, like, I had to spend the time on the weekend to plan out my week and do meal, prepping and setting that all up so that I can properly you know, fuel myself and my family. And my husband was really supportive, super onboard, you know, wasn't was eating everything that I would, I would make, and also my girls, I was introducing them to new foods as well, too. And actually teaching them, we need protein, you know, it's really important to eat the protein. And now they make fun of me all the time. Because they you know, where's your protein, because I've been teaching them that as well. But they also see me lifting weights to get strong. And that is one thing, you know, that I really, really want to always teach them is like, "Mommy is lifting weights to be strong, so that I can play with your kids one day." You know, "Mommy is lifting weights to be strong, so that I can do all the things that you want to do." Right. So I'm really encouraging them to lift and get strong. And we work out together on Saturdays, sometimes, (Lesley: Oh, I love that.) you know, downstairs at my home gym, and you know, they try to work out with me, but the message is always, we need to get strong, and I want you to get strong as well, too. And that's the most important thing is that we're lifting to to get stronger so that we can have a better life. (Lesley: Yeah) But I think both of them together, it was both the strength training and the nutrition part of it that really it's a combination of the two of them.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and it sounds like your family was was on board because they could tell like the goals of it. And I think like, you know, I think a lot of times, it doesn't matter what their goal is, if you're listening to this that goal doesn't have to be a body transformation, it can be a vision of a job or switching up a schedule or, or anything like that. (Sara: Yeah) If we we have to communicate what that goal is and why we're doing it so that people around us can get on board. Otherwise, they don't (Sara: Yeah) actually know how to help you. And so they might ... seem like obstacles, and I'm sure there's some dicks out there. But like most people who love you, want to support you and whatever that transformation is, but we have to communicate that. And since you're (Sara: Yeah) I do want to go back to like how you switch careers. But while we're on this topic, like you're a coach, you coach, a lot of women. Have you seen, have you seen that most of the women that you coach, the people in their life get on board? Or have you had to work with them on how to handle maybe those people who aren't on board?Sara Frenza  Yeah, I always tell, tell my clients that you know, speak to your partner, right? And let them know what this what this is all about and what what you're doing because some, you know, if you don't communicate that with your partner, and you're kind of like doing your own thing they might feel resentment towards you, that things are changing, and they don't want to do it either. But I think it's important. Yes, I do talk to my clients, like you need to communicate, but I also let them know there are going to be people that are not supportive in your journey. There's always going to be those people that are not supportive of your journey and how to deal with that as well. Right. And, you know, as long as the people that are closest to you, you're communicating with them and they could see that it's not just about a body transformation. It's more really about a life transformation. Because, you know, even when I coach my clients weekly, we talk about all of the non scale victories that are happening in their life. They're sleeping better, their energy levels are higher, they're they have the ability to like, move and play with their children, you know, your life is changing. They're building up confidence within their life that they can, you know, it has a domino effect and everything else that they're doing, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) they show up better for everyone else around them.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I want to highlight you said non scale victories. Y'all, this is like really important to me, we've had my friend Jenny Schatzle on as well. And she's really big on non scale victories, because for so many reasons, the scale should not be the thing that tells us we're good (Sara: No) enough. Or we're (Sara: Yeah, yeah) gonna have a good day. And I really don't (Sara: Absolutely) understand that, that that how quickly we were trained that that scale is what tells us if we're good enough for today, but really like, are you sleeping? And like, do you have energy, one of one of my guests who was just on Claire Sparrow, she talked about transformation, she is actually a pelvic floor therapist, coach. (Sara: Oh) And so she had a client who had a victory, which was, I just played cricket with my kids. And I didn't even think that I couldn't do it. Like, it didn't even occur to me that and she's like, and I didn't leak and didn't have any problems. And so like, those are the reasons for like, those are the wins you're looking for. It's not like, (Sara: Absolutely) I think we didn't really hyper focus on the actual thing we're doing. But there's other things and there's other wins around us that we have to focus on. And so when you prioritize your health, and well, wellness, like, there's going to be other things that go that get better. And we have to be attuned to that. So we can see, and we can share it with our family, because maybe you might have someone who doesn't understand that you prioritizing yourself actually benefits them. So you can actually sha... share those wins. Hey, this week, I actually got excited to, you know, go to dinner with you, as opposed to like, I'm exhausted today. This was the longest day of my life. (Sara: Yeah) So I want to go back in time, because you said it earlier, you were in marketing at the time, like so, I imagine (Sara: Yeah) like what I know of marketing, and that's a stressful business. That's a lot of hours. You've young girls, you have a husband. And now you coach people. So one, what was how, what was that transformation, like in your life to go from working on this job to work on this job? And then also like, how did it, was it like the easiest bridge to make? Or like, what were the obstacles along the way?Sara Frenza  Yeah, so once I really experienced and I had worked with Coach JVB, I saw how much my life has cha... had changed. Like, I felt like I was myself, but better, I felt like I was showing up as my best self every day. And I thought, you know, I always was walking around feeling like, there's more to life to this, like, I don't feel like what I am doing is what I meant to be doing. Like, I was really good at my job, you know, and I enjoyed it. But I really walked around feeling like there, I needed to do something more. And it was that point, you know, I talked to my coach at the time and, and I told her, you know, I think I want to start coaching women. I would really love to do this. I want other women to experience this. Because I have seen how much it has really impacted my life, not only the way I was looking, but it was honestly my mindset and how it was showing up everywhere else in my life. I could really see that I was so confident. All my goals that I wanted to reach all of a sudden I had the ability to do it. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, things that I had put on the backburner for years, you know, when when I put my health and fitness I made my health and fitness a priority. And I felt strong not only physically but also mentally, I was able to accomplish all these goals. So then she was very supportive of me, kind of gave me direction in terms of like what certifications I wanted to take. And part of my certification for one of them is I actually had to work with people as part two in order to get my certification. So that's how I started coaching women. So I had three women that I was coaching for, you know, for free as part of what to get my certification. And then I kind of did it on a on a at the side. (Lesley: Yeah) And because I was already sharing my story on Instagram, like I'm very active on Instagram and I was always sharing my story, sharing my recipes, giving everybody tips like really just wanting to help people (Lesley: Yeah) live a more healthier lifestyle (Lesley: Yeah) that when people found out that I was coaching, I had a lot of interest. So I had to make a decision. You know, things were just snowballing for me, so many people wanted to work with me that I had to make a decision. Do I want to pursue this full time or do I still want to, or do I want to keep it as a side hustle? And I went to my employer and I, and I told them, you know, this is what I want to do. Can I go part time so that I could focus on my business because I couldn't do it having a full time and (Lesley: Yeah) it being a side hustle. And they were really understanding, thankfully, they were very understanding and very supportive and said, "Yeah, no problem. We'll let you go part time." And my business just kept growing and growing and snowballing and and when I told them that I was envisioning a year until I could leave. Right. I wish ...Lesley Logan  ... I had such a parallel story. So yes, keep going. I know where it's going now.Sara Frenza  So I told them, like I told them in January, it's it'll probably be a year from now that I will need to leave full time because I was thinking I was thinking, I don't know how quickly my business is gonna go. (Lesley: Yeah) And it came a month later, not even a month and a half later, I said to them, "I'm sorry, but I have to leave the end of April." So I told them beginning of January, and then I gave them enough notice so that they could find somebody I said like, "You have to find somebody so I can train them." So by the end of April, I went, I was out of my other job and full time doing the coaching beginning of May. (Lesley: Yeah) So (Lesley: Yeah) it just snowballed.Lesley Logan  So I so a couple things for those who are like following along with the story, like, listen, listen to it, she shared her whole journey the whole time. And I know that like when we're in it, it doesn't feel very good to share. It doesn't have to be that you share like your rock bottoms. But you can share your passion for why you're doing something the purpose for it's the same reason she shared with her family, so they could be on board with her with her new changes and her prioriti... prioritizing herself. Then she was also sharing that with people who are following her so that when she said, "Now I'm doing this," she took them along on this journey. Again, the more you can take people on the journey with you, the easier the journey is, it's not fun by yourself. And then, because you're so passionate about it, and because you were sharing with people what worked for you, people could see like you're walking the talk. And I think this is where even if you're like, "Lesley, I've already gone through my journey. It's too late for me to do that right now." Here's the deal, if you are not walking your talk, you people can tell and it becomes you feel like you have to market yourself more. But if you are sharing, "Hey, this is my schedule for this week of me making sure I have my sessions. And this is my schedule this week so that I can see my kids and do the thing that I love." If you share those things, people go, "Oh my gosh, like, I want to be able to work with someone, this person knows how to do that. And I'm struggling with that. I'm struggling with prioritizing, myself first." So it's not that you'd be perfect at it. Because we always know at this podcast that that's boring. But sharing your (Sara: Yeah) process allows people to resonate with you and see that you get what they're going through, and that you understand where they're coming from. And that makes a huge difference. When I was, when I became a Pilates instructor, um, I thought I would just do it on the side as well. And then I got so busy. I was like, teaching at 6am and 7am at the gym, driving in LA traffic all the way across town to run my store. I was a manager of this boutique. And then I would two nights a week close up there the night the mornings that I didn't do 6am's those nights, I had a 7pm client, right. So I like left the store at 6:30 drove across town to the studios renting space, taught my evening clients. And then on my day off, I was teaching clients and so I was basically working seven days a week at this point. And I loved it and didn't realize it until I was like, "Wow, I don't actually have any way of like saying yes to anything other than this." (Sara: Yeah) And so, so I was like, "Can I go, hi, can I go part time? And I'll train my replacement. And I'll be here, I'll do this two days a week and then I'll you know, I can do everything before after on other days." Anyways 30 days later, I realized that I couldn't do that. And so before they fired the person that was part time already. I was like, "I just did, I just have to go. I can't do it. I'm too busy."Sara Frenza  Yeah. And that's such a great feeling to to be able to do that. And I think you know, when you're when you're doing what you're so passionate about, like for me it didn't feel like a job even when I had my side hustle. It was just I was so focused on it and it was probably the same for you as well. I was just so focused on it was really, really passionate about it. I scheduled my days so that I can do what I wanted to do. And I think you know, once you go into you know, I've never owned my own business before this is the first time you know I've ever owned my own business, but I think managing those two really gave me a lot of skills to become an entrepreneur. And (Lesley: Yeah) like, "How do I organize everything? What's the priority to me? What needs to get done right away. So like, I'm not wasting time." So during that transition period where I was working a full time job doing this as a side hustle, being a mom, being a wife, you know, running my family, you know, I really needed to my days were completely scheduled out. (Lesley: Yeah) And I needed it to be like that, because I had to, it was a priority for me, I really, really wanted (Lesley: Yeah) wanted this.Lesley Logan  So I have a question because a lot of times what I what happens to people is they find something that like changes their life, they then become the teacher of that thing, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with this. It's how we all get there. And then their ability to participate in their own version of that their own time. So for you it's training like working yourself out for maybe like doing my own Pilates sessions. For yoga teachers, it's often their own yoga like, did that happen in your life? Or and if so, how did you handle it? Or how did you make sure it didn't happen? Like how did you make sure that your workouts even when you had a full time job and the kids and this and your side hustle. How did you keep your self a priority?Sara Frenza  It was non negotiable for me. It's always been non negotiable, non negotiable for me, because I know when I don't do that, I know how my life looks like, I can go back and remember how my life looks like when I didn't put those things into place. So for me, I always, you know, I always do my morning workouts, it became a habit, it became part of my lifestyle. So my workouts are non negotiable. I work out, I get up early, that's when I get them done. I'm a mom, I have a career, this is the only time that it fits into my schedule. And the other thing was with respect to nutrition is that I I spend the time meal planning and meal prepping on the weekend. (Lesley: Yeah) Especially Sunday's is my meal prep Sundays, I do some maybe Saturday or Friday as well, too. But that is really, really key for me to make sure that my meals are organized for myself and my family for the entire week because things will always come up. (Lesley: Yeah) And I know that if my nutrition is not on point, I'm not reaching my nutritional goals. I'm not feeling really good. And it's it's very important to me. (Lesley: Yeah) So these things become non negotiable to me.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we've had some other guests on who've talked about like, like, like nutrition. And the reality is y'all is like, I think, at least I think it's changed a lot. But I remember growing up whenever you'd hear about nutrition and like recipes, all of a sudden, like I would told my grandfather, "I was on a gluten free diet." And he's like, "You're so skinny." I'm like, "It's not a weight loss thing. It's just like how I eat my food." You know what I mean? (Sara: Yeah) So like, I think we underestimate like, no matter where you are in your journey, you're the ability to fuel your body correctly and the way it needs to be. And we've had other guests on who's like, it's so specific, every single one of us has a specific need for how we have to get our through our day. You can't be the best version of yourself in anything if you are not fueled. I am a hangry bitch. Like I have, like, if I have not set on a normal cadence. I mean, (Sara: Yes) I mean, the only time I can go out of my cadence is on a flight because like you're just who even knows and I would rather not eat that food. So it's like, I mean, even then I know that the food's gonna be terrible. So I have like these protein cookies, and I'm like, this, (Sara: Yeah) pretty much gives me everything that I need, I'm going to feel really good. And I can get to I can get to the next meal without being a hangry person, but it's distracting. Your brain doesn't fire you, you can't get those ideas and you think, "Oh, it's because I'm tired. But I slept last night." It's not you didn't sleep, it's that you didn't fuel yourself for the day your car can't run on empty, you know?Sara Frenza  Absolutely, absolutely. And actually, you know, a lot of women that come to me are really under eating a lot. And they don't understand, you know, what's going on? Like, "Why am I so tired? Why do I have brain fog? Why, you know, what, why don't I have any strength? Like, why can I sleep?" And then I make sure that they're properly fueling themselves and eating the amount of food that they need to eat. And they cannot believe in two to four weeks, how much better they feel. (Lesley: Yeah) And all in all I tell them it's because we're properly nourishing your body. You're now your body has the fuel that it needs, so that you can run it at an optimal level. And I think like I'm in my 40s, a lot of my clients are between the ages of 40 to 60 and they've been brought up to be through this diet culture of like trying not to eat, you know (Lesley: Yeah) or not being you know, and I'm like ....Lesley Logan  Oh you're 100% correct. Iliza Shlesinger who someday I should have on the show, y'all if you know her, please hook a sister up. But she said one of her most recent specials says like, ladies, whatever weight you were at 12 that's what the world expects you to stay forever, no matter what, like, you just have to stay at this. Like, that's basically what like, all the magazines brought us up on like, you know, all these like, under 100 calorie snacks like all this stuff. (Sara: Yeah) And it's like actually like, you know, if you're eating (Sara: eating more) properly, if you're eating good foods, you can eat more, you can have more (Sara: Yeah) food. And like, I didn't know that I definitely had to like retrain my mind on those things that I remember. Also, like, make sure there's no fat in anything, which just means there's more sugar in everything, and no wonder you're hungry and cranky.Sara Frenza  Yeah. And the other thing too, is that, you know, we're not getting enough protein in our diet is what I'm seeing, like with a lot of you know, a lot of women as well too, and they feel so much better. But my mission is really to teach women like, this is how we have to properly nourish our bodies, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) and if you're strength training, and fueling your body properly, you're going to feel strong, that how you look will be a byproduct, (Lesley: Yeah) right of everything that you're doing. But it's just, you know, trying to really educate everyone and my client's, like, you need to fuel your body at the end of the day, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) and none of this, this thing that you've learned all these years, like, get it out of your mind, we're going in a completely different direction. And I see more and more coaches out there, like myself to have the same methodology or the same type of thing, like, we need to feel your body you have to eat. You will feel a lot better.Lesley Logan  Yeah. It's so true. And like, I just keep thinking, you know, to, you know, especially for the mamas listening to this, like, actions are caught not taught. We've had many moms in the health and wellness space on here. And they all are talking about like, they've all said it, you have to prioritize yourself first so that your kids also (Sara: better) see that that's, that's actually a future for me. You know, like, I think it was Jenny Schatzle, who had like, one of her, one of her nieces, or somebody that said, "Oh, I can't I, I wish I could be a mom and a journalist." And they're like, "What?" And it was like, like, the kid thought they could only be one thing, because they only see people like do one or the other. They had kids, and they didn't live their dream, or they didn't have kids and they live their dream. And so, you know, the more we can show, the next generation, like actually prioritizing yourself first is not is a non negotiable, and it makes you a better person, fueling yourself properly non negotiable. It's not a privileged thing. It's like, and it and we might have to get creative, depending on what you have access to and what finances you have. But like it is a possibility. And it's and it shouldn't be something you wait till later. And you'll just like, you know, I'll just have this like, this carrot thing over here. That's fine, have the carrot but like, also, like have the sandwich too. You know? (Sara: Yeah, yeah.) Like, I think what is what I what I love about your story is that you went from someone who had like this intense job, had these kids who loved your family, obviously, we're doing great things with them. But you didn't feel good to going out making sure you felt good and getting your family on board. And now you teach women how that they can have that too. And I think it's really frickin cool. So y'all, we're gonna take a quick break and I am going to ask, I'm gonna make sure you know where you ... find Sara, follow her. We also have some BE IT action items. I'm really excited for you to hear. Okay, Sara, where can people find you, follow you, work with you?Sara Frenza  Okay, well I'm very very active on Instagram. So you can find me there. My handle is sara, so @sara_frenza. And you can also visit my website which is sarafrenzafitness.com. Those are the two places that you could find me and if you want to email me, my both my email contact information are on both Instagram and my website.Lesley Logan  Wonderful. Okay, bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps. What are your BE IT action items for our listeners today?Sara Frenza  Okay, so my action items are how to seven tips to meal prep made easy. So number one is going to be plan what you want to eat for the week, planned out your meals for the week. Know what you want, then go grocery shopping to get everything that you need. Because I'm telling you, when you plan out what you want to eat, it will save you time, it will save you money. The second thing that I will recommend when it comes to meal prepping is to batch cook. And so this is a really great one. What I like to do is to make one protein and one carb and then I'll make dif... sorry, two proteins, two carbs and then I make different meals out of it. So that you know I'm creating maybe four or five different meals and of those those two carbs and those two proteins. The other thing is to freeze your food. So if you're batch cooking and making a lot of things ahead of time, you can freeze food so that you have it there for following weeks. This has really helped me throughout my meal prep. So on those days that you're in a pinch, and maybe something didn't go the way that that you wanted to, you could just pull something out of your freezer. The other thing for meal prepping is, I always kind of pre pre weigh out my food or pre put them in containers ahead of time. So if I'm making my lunches for the entire week, I will put them in containers so that I have my lunch ready to go. And you don't have to think about it. Same with dinners, as well. I'll have that pre done ahead of time so that they're ready to go. With fruits and veggies, I will chop up all my fruit, chop up all my veggies. So and with specially with the fruit, I'll put them in little containers so that my fruits ready to go for the whole week. And I can quickly grab that and go if I'm going to work or I'm on the road. And the other thing that I recommend is preparing your breakfast for the entire week. So you could make things like protein muffins, you could do you said protein cookies, (Lesley: Yeah) I love protein cookies.Lesley Logan  I just made overnight oats for the week. And it's not the only part of my breakfast, but it's like part of the breakfast and and the reason I ate that, I made a whole batch for the week is like it's so easy to scoop out and I could put my (Sara: Yeah) collagen in there. I put my fiber in there. I put some other supplements in there. And so I know like, okay, if I'm in a rush, and I like slept in or the dogs got crazy like before I got on this podcast I do at one dog walk into a cactus. I was like dealing with that. I'm like, if this is if I have to eat this on the go, it's got all the carbs, all the protein I would have wanted, like that's I'm good to go. I don't have to. Because I mean, that's the brightest meal most people skip and it's like, hello, you just woke up your body needs some stuff in it.Sara Frenza  Absolutely. So yeah, if you get your prep... like your breakfast ready, I always encourage my client like protein muffins, overnight oats, protein cookies, get your breakfast ready for the entire week, get some meals done like you can, you could choose two, I do two meal prep throughout the week, I do Sunday, and then I do Wednesday. So Sunday, I'm meal prepping from Sunday to Wednesday. And then Wednesday night I'll do another little mini mini meal prep. And maybe I'll make some easier kind of foods that I could just throw on the barbecue or in the oven for the rest of the week. But then I have you know, everything ready to go for the entire week. But the breakfast at least you know you have it done for five days in a row. And if you make things like protein muffins or cookies, you can freeze them too. (Lesley: Yeah) I double batch and cook everything. So that I have one week I'm making protein muffins. And the next week I don't have to because I already have stuff that I can pull out on out of my freezer. SoLesley Logan  I love this so much and also like so my I remember my mom would actually batch cook, and like it... (Sara: Cool) Because you she we were on a tight budget and so you couldn't just buy groceries and nothing could go bad. So like they would plan out. And they go, "Okay, well, these nights would actually be leftovers from the food from these nights. And then this and it'd be leftover from the food of this night." And so that way they could stretch the thing I know Brad even mentioned, like growing up his mom and another mom would like go to each other's house and like then the kids are playing. (Sara: Yeah) And then they could both meal prep for the whole for both households. And that afternoon and yes, you guys this does require like a block of time on your Sunday or whatever day it is. (Sara: Yeah) But if you didn't like with Brad, I mean, the kids are then playing and you can just like actually focus on this thing over here. And so there's ways of getting creative and making it a possibility in your life.Sara Frenza  Yeah, absolutely. So I'll give you an example. Right. So this is what I would do. So I would make like for example, sweet potato fries like sweet potato air fry, air fried, then I would do brown rice, then I would do ground turkey. And then maybe we'll do shredded chicken in in instapot. This is like kind of my 'go to' thing but out of these meal, out of those two carbs. And those two proteins, I would make stuff peppers. I would do buffalo chicken dip, I would make chicken stir fry, and then I would make egg roll in a bowl. So I've got four different meals there and the stuffed peppers, I could freeze. (Lesley: Yeah) So I can make you know a large batch of it. And that's typically what I do every weekend is and I that's what I teach my clients to do as well because most of them are busy. We're all busy. (Lesley: Yeah) And but at the end of the day, you know, you're saving time throughout the week. For me I didn't I love doing this because when I'm done work my dinner's ready. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, I'm not spending an hour and the other thing too is is I say, if you've already got the mess and everything out already, you might as well make the you know, you might as well (Lesley: Yeah) ... that mess and all of that food for the whole week. And another tip I want to give you ladies that are moms that are listening here. Make your lunches for your kids for the next three days if you can, (Lesley: Yeah) and that's been a huge time saver as well too.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, I, when Brad is in a cooking mood when he has got the time, he'll just cook all the chicken breasts like why cook, (Lesley: Yeah) why just cook chicken breasts for the two of us like just, you bought this many just cook them all. Some of them get cut up really small for a salad. Some of it gets like use in a different way. But like it is, it is so much easier because then we're we're cleaning one pan. We're cleaning one pan (Sara: That's correct.) or not like that pan (Sara: That's right.) every single day. And then of course, (Sara: Exactly) guess what? No one wants to clean that pan for dinner the next day. (Sara: Yeah) So, what are we having? I guess we'll have that, you know I mean.Sara Frenza  Exactly. And that's what I love too... I'll freeze like we will do the same thing. And I'll freeze like we'll cook up a whole bunch of chicken breasts and then I'll freeze half of it. Or if I'm doing ground turkey, ground chicken, ground beef, I do you know, a few pounds of it. Half of it, I'll use this week, the other half, I'll freeze and I'll take it out. Brown rice freezes really well too, cooked brown rice, there's all of these things that you could do to really stay on top of it. And I teach my clients that as well to like, "Listen, if you're already doing this, double batch it and (Lesley: Yeah) make more and freeze it. Make your life a lot easier so that you're not doing these huge meal preps every week, like you've already got it out, double batch it and do it."Lesley Logan  And what I and y'all what I love about this is it doesn't really actually you don't have to be on any body transformation, any kind of meal prepping is key for saving time. (Sara: And money, and money.) And money was so much money. I mean, you heard me say, my family did it because we they were on a budget like this is all that can be spent at the grocery store. Nothing can get thrown away, you know. So like, I think a lot of times we we think of it as a luxury but really it's like the the key to giving you more time back, more time to spend with your family, less time making when you're tired at the end of your workday the last year and it was like, "What am I going to cook tonight?" So then (Sara: Yeah) what do we do? We order in, then we don't feel good, we spent more money. (Sara: Yeah) And we're back in this (Sara: Yeah) vicious cycle of not feeling good enough because we didn't take the time to prioritize what was make, what would be unnecessary to make us feel good.Sara Frenza  Yeah. And then taking that first step to like really plan out for the whole week, like what are you gonna have for breakfast? What are you going to have for lunch? What are you going to have for dinner? Even having that plan, you know, and getting the meal prep done. I just feel when you're organized like that, like you feel so much more confident going into your week, knowing that, I made my nutrition a priority. I'm still making my health and fitness a priority. I'm feeding my family with the foods that I know they're going to feel good about and I'm going to feel good about. So it's really key for me and I continue to do it. I still share you know, and I and what I've learned in my tips, I share it with my clients. And if you're if your audience wants it, too. I have a whole seven tips to meal prep with recipes so that (Lesley: Amazing) they can use that. Yeah.Lesley Logan  Wonderful. We'll make sure we get that link in the show notes for everyone. Y'all, this this has been so great. I started thank you for sharing your journey and allowing people to see that like they can, you can do this with like little kids, you can do this with owning your own business. 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Have you ever felt like you were finally on track? You finally were accomplishing a goal, had a great idea and then boom, something changes. Those obstacles aren't roadblocks, there is another way and it may lead you to something even better. Join today's convo as Brad and Lesley recap Sue Hitzmann's story through creating the MELT method and her tips to finding success despite the obstacles. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to navigate clients that constantly reschedule. The obstacle isn't a sign to not try. Find a different way.Hot to use failure as a time to reflect and learn for the next opportunity. It's a myth! Eating healthy and exercise does not = 100% health.How to use our experiences to discover what is meant for us.Abundance Mindset is helping people so much they don't need your help anymore. How chase the things that elevate you.Are you living in the present moment or not?Episode References/Links:Replay of Profitable Pilates Free WebinarBe It Pod Survey!Cambodia Retreat If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the revealing convo I had with Sue Hitzmann in our last episode. If you haven't listened to the episode, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one so that you can listen to this one and all the good things or listen to this one and then go listen to that one, you could do you. And that's it Sue Hitzmann does. So, I think she'd be very excited for you to do it the way you want to do it.Brad Crowell  She does, she's amazing.Lesley Logan  She she really is. Like she is the proof of like, your curiosity and leading it down the path and and and also like how everything happens for you even including the question she was asked. So real quick, my loves, I want to hear from you. Like I really want to hear from you. I want to hear your opinions. And so this podcast has been out for a year, over a year now. Oh my God over a year now. (Brad: Yeah) 14 months. And maybe you just found us in this your first episode. Great. You can do the survey. Maybe listen to every single episode. And this is like 100 and I don't know. It's a lot. Brad's gonna pipe in and tell me what it is. But anyways, if you listen all, I really want to hear from you. So go to beitpod.com/tellme.Brad Crowell  This will be episode 124. (Lesley: 124. Holy cow.) That's pretty insane. But seriously, though, 124 episodes and we need your help. We are very interested in understanding how you're enjoying the pod. And you know, what if the segments if you like the segments, if you look forward to the recaps, or if you enjoy the interviews more, or we've even thrown in a few solo episodes and what your experience was with those. So go to beitpod.com/tellme t e l l m e. (Lesley: Yup)Lesley Logan  All right, we had an audience question and I really liked this one. I was like, ah, it was a nice little DM I got from someone and I can I totally could feel her, like I could feel the frustration, worry, fear, wonder all at one time. So what is that question, Brad?Brad Crowell  So it's just basically, I have a small home studio, and love teaching, but I feel like my clients move their sessions around all the time. Did you have this problem when you were doing that? Well, we can answer that. How can I get them to stick to the original schedule without losing them as a client or without losing my time, teaching them and rearranging them? So that's a great question. Just to throw this out there. We never had a home studio.Lesley Logan  Well, we do now.Brad Crowell  Yeah. That doesn't count. We're not taking clients at our own studio. (Lesley: Right, right, right, right) So of course, we have a home studio. But my point is, when we were doing this process, we didn't actually have a home studio, (Lesley: Yeah) however, you were a, you were renting from someone else as a true, independent contractor. You controlled your own schedule, you brought in your own clients, all those kinds of things. So while you didn't have a home studio, you still had to deal with exactly this problem.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I was just gonna say that. Like, it doesn't actually matter where if you have a home studio that small, a studio that's big, a brick and mortar or you go to people's houses, like when you're when you have people who scheduled time with you, it is inevitable that people are going to want to change the time every once in a while and like, look, things come up. But what I'm hearing from this as a lack of boundaries. And also, here's the here's a real truth, we treat people how, we train people how to treat us. And so what it sounds like to me, and this is not offensive to you. And if you're listening to this, and it's what I'm about to say, hits it home for you is a lot of times we're like, I just I just need people to say yes, so we especially in the beginning, we bend over backwards, like literally and do hoops and jumps of things to get clients because we think if we discount ourselves or if we're really easy going and changing the time or changing their schedule whenever they want to that we get to keep clients and grow our business, but you actually don't. So you're gonna spending more time changing people's schedule around. So here's what I'm gonna say to you whether you have a small home studio brick and mortar or not. If you live in the US, you need my scheduling tool, period, end of story it and if you don't live in the US, you need a scheduling tool. And if you're still like, "I don't think this is the right answer, Lesley." Then come to this webinar that I'm doing. It's profitablepilates.com/answers. So profitablepilates.com/answer and actually going to talk about how to pick a scheduling tool and all the reasons why you think you don't need one but you do. And this is one of those things. If you had someone who is a barrier, or something that was a barrier to them being able to just text you whenever they want, and change the schedule around, you would actually not feel like a bad guy. So if they're, like, out to lunch with their friends are like, "Oh, hey, can we go to the beach tomorrow?" And they're like, "Oh, I have Pilates. Let me see if I can move that." They're gonna go onto your tool, and they're gonna go, "Oh, there's nothing available. I can't move it." There not gonna ... (Brad: Yeah or they just have to cancel all together.) Or they cancel together. (Brad: And that's their choice.) And they either are charged or it's early, but it's all them and it's not you. And so you don't feel like you have to be both the teacher and the bodyguard to the schedule ....Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest points is like it really does remove the awkward conversations. They can sign your waiver it right there in the app, they've agreed to your cancellation policy. And as long as, as when they go in, if you've got a 24 hour cancellation policy, and they're at 23 hours and 59 minutes, and they cancel, they will be get late charged. And you don't have to have that awkward conversation with them because the app did it for you. Right. (Lesley: Yeah) So there's just so many benefits of having an app like this. I think another one that I love, is that allows you to take your text messages back. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And that is again, boundaries, (Lesley: And that's ...) right? Because it allows you to go, "Oh, my text messages, what a relief. Are my friends and family. They're not my job, and not somebody potentially canceling on me last minute."Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) And so just to go back to your thing about your fear of losing a client. You don't want to keep a client who's changing their schedule, all the freaking time. (Brad: Right) I used to have a client who would like literally, she had two, two standing appointments a week. And literally one day, every week, she texts me, "Hey, can I move it to one o'clock today? Do you have anything else available today?" And I here's what I thought I, I had a scheduling tool. She wasn't using it, I had to literally go, "Did you check the time? You didn't check the time." So sorry, or I just didn't, I literally wouldn't respond to her. (Brad: Right) Because you have to train them how to treat you. And I am not a like, what is it like big like, you're like (Brad: beck and call) beck and call. I'm not your beck and call girl, I learned that from Pretty Woman. Another great thing you can learn from that movie. (Brad laughs) So don't take less than 100. Call me when you're through. Alright, so but seriously, like that, clears your sessions. But truthfully, I don't care how small you think your business is. You absolutely deserve time away from your business. And you deserve people to respect your time, the only way they can respect your time is if there's a barrier between you and that time. And that is as a tool. So come to ...Brad Crowell  But think about it like this, think about this. Could you imagine that you go to let's just say we all had a parent who, you know, worked at a bigger company. Right? And your, your, your parent had a meeting scheduled with the President of the company. And then like, two hours before the meeting, your parent calls up, the President says, "Hey, can you just move back like in an hour? Or would that be cool, like, is that alright?" Like, "No, fuck no." They would be mortified through it. There's, and there's, you know, because when we look at it, like it's like, a job and the boss and all that stuff, we somehow have this different perception that you being the boss, you being (Lesley: And you're the President of the company.) you are the President of your company, and your your clients are like, "You know, is it cool if like, we just kind of shifted around, I just needed to be like, 12 minutes after the hour instead of like," I mean, it's so crazy that we allow people to do that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so and also, by the way, I know you're like "but I need referrals." You want this person's friend? Do you really want this person's friend? Like no seriously like, do you want their friends because they are ... (Brad: They are all the same.) They're all the same. They're (Brad: Yeah) all like them. They're all like them, bouncing around like, oh, everybody does whatever they, I want. No, you don't like you don't and like maybe their friends are different. Are they? Have you ever seen that in real life? Like, are your friends different than you? Okay, so maybe like I had this one friend. Yeah. And I bet you have boundaries with them. (Brad: Yeah. Right.) And if you don't put them on your scheduling tool. Okay, go to profitablepilates.com/answer to sign up for this free webinar. It's going to be a lot of fun. Okay,Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're actually going to do it live on August 10. And then there will be, it will be available for the replay for those of you who may not have been able to join us live. SoLesley Logan  If you're hearing this on August 17th, 20th, it's a whole different year. You're just binging out, hi, hello, you can still watch it.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Awesome.Okay, now let's talk about Sue Hintzmann. As a fitness professional, who was told there was no cure for her plantar fasciitis, she decided to discover her own way to heal her pain. She is the founder and creator of The MELT Method, which is now internationally known and has thousands of teachers teaching a method by the way, which is a simple self discovery, self-care technique that addresses the missing link to back pai... to pain free living. Sue is on a mission to help share her knowledge and empower people to learn how to care for themselves better, so that they too can lead active pain free lives as long as possible.Lesley Logan  I love it. She's super passionate about it. And, and like whether or not you even have heard The MELT Method, whether or not you're like this even like resonates with you. Here's the deal, your you her passion and like persistence, is what's gotten her where she is. And she just followed that. And I think a lot of times we get stuck on an obstacle, which is going to lead into my talking point. And like I hear her talking point that she brought up, it's like, we have to stop thinking an obstacle is a sign that you're not supposed to do, the thing that you're gonna do. The obstacle is, uh, is just there to see if you're gonna fight for it. Are you gonna keep going? Like if we gamify this, right, you get up to a some sort of like, evil thing on your game and you like, "Ah, you know what, too hard. I'm not meant to play this." No way. People who played they just like they just keep buying it, like, "I'm gonna find a different way. I'm gonna get, I have a level of stuff. I gotta go learn this thing. I go learn this tool." But for whatever reason, we're willing to do that on a game, whether it's a board game, whether it's a card game, or like, "Oh, I'm gonna collect some more cards." I don't care if you play video games, or like actual physical games, every type of game requires you to skill, like up level of skill and move forward. They all have obstacles that you have to learn how to get over. But somehow in life, we see a failure as some sort of obstacle. And we're like, that's a sign I'm not supposed to do it. I don't like that makes zero sense to me. I don't have the brains and like to listen, live in dissonance. And somehow we've managed to find a loophole. So when she talks about how you are not going to you're not getting ahead if you don't fail. (Brad: Right) I love that because every single one of you is going to fail. In fact, the more things you try, it's a numbers game, you're gonna fail more times and you succeed, period. Like people who like Olympic athlete track runners, they lose more races and they win. Basketball players lose more games, and they win like it is on average. And ...Brad Crowell  Also too, I think if you look at another another statistic that is like, hilarious is baseball, hitting ...Lesley Logan  Oh my God, it frustrates me so much, (Brad: Right) It can be the crappiest baseball player ...Brad Crowell  ... He has a point for hit a batting average. And you're like, "That's four out of 10 times he hit the ball. Four out of 10." (Lesley: And that's good.) And that's a great one. Lesley Logan  I gave feedback to this one company. And I'm like, "All these matches are like 63%. Do you have anything that's better than a D plus." Like, "Oh, no, that's actually really good. That's like a high percentage point." So basically, you're not getting you move forward in your business and your life and the things you want unless you fail. And Brené Brown says in her dare to lead book she's talking about like vulnerability in the workplace. And also like, being more inclusive and in in your efforts. You're going to fuck it up. In fact, the more you try to be better as a leader, the more changes you make to be more inclusive, you're going to fuck it up. And that's okay. It's about acknowledging, wow, that was a mistake. Okay, understand what, I learned from it. (Brad: Yeah) Make the apologies and move to the next thing. And so anyways, if you want to get ahead of where you are today, if you're like, "Yeah, I don't want to live at this level of my life for the rest," like, like, make sure the (Brad: I mean ...) rest of your life (Brad: Yeah) you are going to have to fail. So just get used to it.Brad Crowell  That's where the analysis paralysis comes into. Because you are so worried about failing that you are just thinking through it every time and you never do any action. And like, really, I'm not saying that you just blunder your way through things. (Lesley laughs) I'm not recommending that. That's not what I'm saying here. But you by just the nature of life, you are going to you're going to run into a speed bump and it's going to derail something and then you know, whatever metaphor you want to mix here, you're gonna drop a plate you're gonna. The way that If you learn is, oops, something went wrong, or something almost went wrong. Well, I better be conscious of that as we're moving forward.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And like, I don't remember where we heard this, but nothing is going to be as great in your mind as you think it's like, "Oh, my God can be like this, and nothing is going to be as bad." So even if you fail, (Brad: Oh right.) it's rarely going to be the worst case scenario.Brad Crowell  Right. So like, you know, in our minds, we imagine ourselves, walking on stage and being this beautiful, perfect thing, and we get there and like, it didn't quite go the way we wanted it in our mind. (Lesley: It could still be amazing.) And, but, and probably it was amazing. And conversely, if you trip falling at one, you're exiting that stage, in your mind, you're like, I just embarrass myself in front of seven and a half billion people on this planet, and no one's ever gonna want to talk to me again. And now I can't go get a job and no one's gonna marry me. And I, life might as well be over. And we take it to this incredible extreme on both ends. And in reality, probably everyone, "Oh, they just tripped." Okay, you know like ...Lesley Logan  ... we're going off on a tangent, but I was just having coffee with someone who like talked about someone else doing something that was like a total like, would have been considered a total blunder. And she goes, "I am more inspired now than ever, because that person is to this level of me and they did this. And that gives me permission." (Brad: Yeah) So basically, knock it up, as many times as you can see, learn the lesson and you get to the next level.Brad Crowell  Don't intentionally, but (Lesley: Well, don't intentionally, but don't don't ...) But don't let that stop you from moving forward. Don't let this ...Lesley Logan  Don't let fear of the fuck up, keep you from going to the next thing. And if you fail, dust yourself off, do a little reflection, set like time and then go to the next thing. (Brad: Yeah) You know, unless you die, you're you got options.Brad Crowell  You know, we do this (Lesley: so dark) We do this in our business every single time we hold an event, even events that we're great at, like things that we know we did well, at the end of the event, we have this reflection time where we say ...Lesley Logan  I call it an autopsy probably you don't like that so much. Or post mortem. I'm ...Brad Crowell  Post mortem. That was really funny. But ...Lesley Logan  Let's do post mortem.Brad Crowell  Yeah (Lesley: and their like well Lesley...)The end of it. You know, we look back and we say what went amazingly well, and we celebrate our wins. And then what could have gone better? And we take notes and we leave ourselves notes for the next time. So you know, it's just part of moving forward in life in general. So, anyway I love that. That's a great talking point.Lesley Logan  What did you love?Brad Crowell  Yeah. She kind of casually threw this in there. She said she began to believe the myth that if she was eating right and exercising, right, then she would be healthy and have a pain free life. And I just turned 40. Lesley Logan  Yeah. How's that going for you?Brad Crowell  Yeah, fucking hurt myself already. (Lesley and Brad laughs) And I was like, really, really? Sorry for that really loud F bomb right there. But seriously, I like I hurt my back on the day after I turned 40, you know ... I'm laughing about it. But ...Lesley Logan  ... in your 40s defense, you actually hurt your back in your 30s. But you have (Brad: I did.) been able to kind of like blow like, no I think about it. Now think about your thing. And you know, you do live a very healthy life. But (Brad: Yeah) healthy, but but I think you know, this goes back to Jenny Schatzle's episode where she's like, stop doing things in the name of health. Like you're just like, it's like, like, health is out there. Just like, we've got all these things like this is health and it's not healthy. You move intentionally often and, and you've been doing it for a long time. But that doesn't mean it's it's like you have like a like an armor suit around you where you'll never feel pain or have injuries like ...Brad Crowell  Right. Yeah, and I think but I think that, you know, you you the myth about that eating right and exercising right leads to a healthy life. It's not necessarily the case. And you know, I'm I feel I'm counting my blessings that I'm starting to realize this in my late 30s, early 40s. With with regard to Sue Hitzmann. She was like at her prime. She was 28 she said when she had she's already been speaking around the world. She's got a like, a hugely popular DVD series. She's teaching people all the fitness stuff and she's telling all the stuff and at 28 she woke up one day and her feet hurt so much that it impacted her entire body, not just her not just walking and dancing and stuff. She started to feel, she it really affected all of her ..She started to seek medical help, she started to go to the doctor and the doctor was was telling her, you know, "Oh, it must be this. Oh, it must be there. Oh, it must be this." And then she finally had a doctor say, "Oh, well, I think you're just depressed." Right. And she's like, "Yeah, no shit, I'm depressed. I can't do what I've been doing my whole life that I'm really amazing at. And now I'm like, out of my own game." And I'm feeling that so that it doesn't surprise me. Right. And then she started to learn about fascia, right? And she started to really dig into how does it work? And she said, she actually spent she just disappeared from the fitness world for four years. So imagine that being like, you know, in the limelight, on TV, doing, you know, travel around the world, all the stuff. And then poof, four years she disappeared. Right. And when she came back, it was armed with this all this knowledge and understanding of how she had begun to feel better. And and how her how changing the way she treated her fascia changed the way her body responded. And she is, I mean, way more knowledgeable about than me, but she doesn't look like she's in her 50s. (Lesley: No) And that's for darn sure. So she's like, convinced it has everything to do with that as well.Lesley Logan  And also just another another example of like, your rock bottom is happening for you. Like, like, took her out at the top of her game. (Brad: Yeah) But what top in air quotes, because look where she's at now that (Brad: Right) she wouldn't be there if she had had, like, if she had, what if this had happened to her at 45? And then she's like, "Got it." Like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like we I feel like it happened exactly what I was supposed to that so she can actually have another level. So anyways, I'm into it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, and if you didn't listen to her, her pod, or her episode, she created The MELT Method based on this experience. And then she began, one thing that really impressed me too. And I thought this was an incredible perspective was she said, "People would come into my studio, and I kept thinking, like, how how they keep coming back the next week? (Lesley: Yeah) How can I get them so that they don't have to come back next week." And that's what she started to create this, like systematic approach, which turned into The MELT Method. And she said, it, if I "My goal was to empower my clients, so that they didn't need me that they could go do this on their own, with maintenance at home. And they didn't need any crazy, like, you know, huge, like, pieces of equipment or gear or any of that stuff, just a couple of small things, and some understanding of what to do." And she said her clients started to have her feet stop hurting. And then her hus... she called and said, "My husband has back pain. Can you help me, help him?" And so it became this thing. And, and you two talked about, you know, that fear of losing a client, like, "Oh, they're not coming in anymore. Like, I don't know what's going to happen?" And she said, "Well, yeah, okay. Instead of me managing 50 clients a year, that continued to come back, suddenly, I was managing 500 clients a year because I didn't need to see them quite as often."Lesley Logan  Making a much more massive impact ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, she's having a bigger foot.Lesley Logan  And also like, "Are you helping me people maintain the status quo? Are we helping them actually, like, level up and move forward?" I've that's what I mean, like, you know, it's, it's one of the reasons why we similarly to why we created OPC is, I actually want you to be your own teacher. I do. I want you to be able to like, tell yourself, "This is there, so I'm choosing for myself right now." And that's what we're empowering you to do every single week in those classes. And so I think it is so is like, like, just, like the perfect example of like an abundance mindset. Like if you're struggling with, "What it's an abundance mindset?" It's called 'Helping people so much, they don't need you anymore'. (Brad: Yeah) And then they send you or their friends, because guess what, everybody's going to be in pain at some point in their lives. Unfortunately, that's just the nature of how it works because we don't take care of ourselves until it's too late. You know, so (Brad: We're not taught too ..) well, not here I think that other places in the world do. (Brad: Yeah) And if you know those places, let me know maybe I'm relocating.Brad Crowell  But anyway, I will continue to relay my 40's to for the next 10 years. SoLesley Logan  Yeah. He will. (Brad: Buckel up.) Yeah. And he's gonna do it all on his own for at least more six months. But still, I'm there with him. But we're gonna work on this back thing. Okay, BE IT action items.Brad Crowell  What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Sue Hitzmann? I am going to read a little bit from what she said towards the end, she said, "Do you call somebody every once in a while and just just to call them out of the blue and say, 'I love you'? You know, and here's why I love you." She said, "Bring positivity into your life and to try and try to find those things that elevate you. And you will start to realize that you need to take specific actions to get you to that next place." But ...Lesley Logan  It's such a BE IT moment.Brad Crowell  It's such a BE IT moment. And she said, but well actually, I'm gonna leave the but to to to it ties perfectly in with what you're going (Lesley: Yeah) to talk about. So ...Lesley Logan  Before we get into what I'm talking about, there's there's a woman whose name is escaping me but she's amazing. Anyways, she talks about how if you need positivity, go give positivity. If you need love, go give love. If you need to be seen, go see people. And it is that 'be it till you see it' kind of a thing and that what what her, BE IT action item in there is it's like, you just said it like it's like if you if you want to be elevated want to realize you have these things, you gotta go take specific actions. And if you're unsure what action to take, take an action that's when you make you flippin good. Because then it's going to, "Oh, I go through this." Like you it's called data, the more actions you take that give you like that make you feel good, the more confident you are in taking action. So it's a simple way to do it. That's all I'm saying. She said, right out, "Am I living in the present moment or not? And what am I presently doing for my health?" And I just want to go back to like that, like, you know, eating and working out doesn't exactly mean healthy. So just be really mindful of how you define health. If you're talking like, "I'm going on a juice cleanse." I'm gonna say, "No." I want you to like, get really specific, but I want you to, I like this so much, because it made me think of like Norda Kaiser, we've had in our Agency program talks about like, "Are you a super fan? Or are you a, or are you a star athlete?" And it's like, are you judging yourself negatively and harshly around the things that you do? Or are you actually being curious? And like taking a 30,000 foot view of like, "What am I doing right now? And how is this affecting the life that I want to have?" Becasue star athletes they, they don't go, like, "Oh, the catcher missed the whole thing." It's like, "Oh, how did I throw it so that the catcher didn't get the ball?" Right? Like, "What is what what am I able to do?" So it's like, "Are you living in the present moment or not?"Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think I think also the, you know, the reason I wanted you to jump in and talk about your action item, is because the idea of texting someone that I love you, in the present, it makes you be in the present moment for you to reflect on that kind of thing. She said, so bring positivity into your life and find those things that elevate you. And you'll start to realize that you need to take specific actions to get you to the next place. But you've got to be as present as possible to make it happen. And don't let the past be the thing that limits you on what you can really do in the future.Lesley Logan  I also, you know, I want to add another question to that. Am I living in the present moment or not? And if it's no, are you living in the past, or you live in the future? (Brad: Right) Because if you're living in the past, it was holding yourself back. If you're living in the future, you're just causing anxiety.Brad Crowell  I think you should say that, again.Lesley Logan  If you're living in the past, you're just going to like your your gonna be stuck and in a worry, like you're being held back. And if you're living in the future, you're just causing yourself anxiety. Anxiety is actually like, your is this feeling you have over the what could happen. So it's like, what, when we when we are anxious, it's because we're thinking about what could happen in a negative light and or even a positive light, but it's causing anxiety in the present moment, but you're not being present in the moment that you're in. So anyway, that's just my, I just added a second question to that BE IT action item. I'm just over here, like ...Brad Crowell  Just over here, you know.Lesley Logan  Just giving you a little bit more, (Brad: Do a little thing.) do a little more journaling for you, just a little bit more specific journaling for you.Brad Crowell  I love that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know, tag us at the @be_it_pod and tag Sue Hitzmann of MELT Method. I know it will make her day to see what of her interview stuck out to you and like helped you ponder and maybe get in the present moment. Who did you text to, "I love you, too.?" (Brad: Yeah) I want to know that's so fun. You should tell us.Brad Crowell  Yeah, tag Sue and tell her that you heard her pod or her episode here and and let her know, you know your biggest takeaway from this. I think she would love that.Lesley Logan  Yeah and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell   It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan   Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Are you tired of struggling with food and your body. Obsession over what you should eat and how you should look? Do you feel trapped and consumed with this and want to break free? Then today's podcast is for you. This is a very important episode everyone should listen to.Jenny Schatzle is on a mission to change the conversation on body image, confidence, and movement. She is a wellness and lifestyle guide who helps people feel good about themselves. She has created the hugely successful life-changing Jenny Schatzle Program which is now Bond Fitness. Her passion is empowering people to accept themselves, respect themselves and love themselves in every aspect of their lives. From her fitness facility in Santa Barbara to across the globe Jenny has created a movement that challenges the way people see themselves. Her program is as much about health and wellness as it is about positivity, self-love, and letting go of the behavior and negative thinking that stops us and limits our success. Jenny has  been featured in dozens of media outlets worldwide and has two TEDx talks that had audiences on their feet. She's also been named the National Association of Women Business Owners (NAWBO) female business owner of the year. The mom of twin girls is an inspiration and example for men, women, families and people everywhere.  Through movement, media and online programs, she's driving a new era of change with fitness, body image and self worth.  Jenny helps people change the conversation about who they are, what they can do and all they can be. You can find Jenny on Instagram And purchase her book Breaking the Cycle here.Become your own detective and health advocate  in your root causes of minerals, hormones, and your gut and find food freedom in my program BALANCED 

Let's welcome Clare Solly to the Be It Pod as a guest co-host while Brad is away. As best friends, Clare and LL giggle their way through dieting, journaling, and reiterating the importance of changing the conversation around health. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The ESSENTIAL, must have travel items The line between health and obsessionIt comes down to controlWe have to change how we feel to change the conversation How you start journaling Episode References/Links:Clare Solly on IG  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get startedWelcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host is my best friend, Clare Solly. And hi, we're gonna dig into the robust conversation I had with Jenny Schatzle in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, feel free to do whatever you want to take in the information. I'm going to be honest, you got to listen to it, you should listen to all the guests. But like, there's something so fire about her that we all need to listen to. And then you can come back and join us or you can do it backwards, you know, like CliffNotes. So anyways, really quick, this we are coming up on like, like two weeks away from 100 episodes. So everyone, first all... (Clare: one hundred) one hundred. So first of all, thank you so much. Oh my God, we couldn't do 100 episodes without you because I would just be talking to myself. Second, so there's going to be a giveaway so be watching the Instagram, because you can win a really awesome basket of all these goodies and some money. So check that out. And then this Saturday, if you're listening to real time. One of our OPC teachers is teaching her first workout and workshop at onlinepilatesclasses.com. She's doing a Jump Board Workout. And then she's doing a Jump Board Workshop. You don't have to be a teacher to join. It's just going to be a lot of fun. And then you're going to learn all the things you can nerd out for your own practice or for other people's practice. And that's all on onlinepilatesclasses.com. Okay, Clare, normally I asked Brad, if we have an audience question, but I felt like maybe since you're our guests, you should get to ask whatever you want.Clare Solly 2:19  Since I'm I'm stealing the co host seat from Brad while he's away. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah. So Lesley, I know that you and Brad travel a lot. And I want to know, because I know a lot about you. But I want to know what is like the one travel thing whether it's an actual tangible thing or something you do to prepare. What is the one travel thing you can't live without? (Lesley: Oh) I know it's a good one. Right?Lesley Logan 2:52  This is really good. Okay. I need to pick one? Hmm hmm. So ...Clare Solly 2:59  I'll give you two if you want. (Lesley: Yeah) You can have two.Lesley Logan 3:01  Okay, here's what I, first of all like pre pandemic, I was a woman who like knew how to pack in 17 minutes. And, also because Brad and I would trade wearing the same hat because like I would have clean hair on the way there and then (Lesley laughs) I have the dirty hair on the way back so I would wear his hat. And it said like Yogi something Jerome's Little Yogi and it's bright yellow hat. And so honestly, if it was pre pandemic, I would say that that is like our we can't live without hat. It comes with everywhere so much still that Global Entry just recognized us because who comes through the yellow hat every other week? Oh, that's, that's us. (Lesley laughs) Anyways, um, no, what I'll say is I really really love a good moisturizer, a good ChapStick and a comfortable outfit because everything else you can figure out by Google all the things. But if you are not comfortable in the outfit that you're flying in, and you're skin is not moisturized your lips or not moisturized, you're going to be uncomfortable. (Clare: I agree with that.) It doesn't really matter. So that's my thing. Also, if I'm doing long flights because my food sensitivities, I do pack oatmeal. I packed oatmeal packets, just like the, you know this the tear-away one.Clare Solly 4:17  Oh yeah cuz the, the air, the flight attendants give you hot water ...Lesley Logan 4:21  They gave you hot water. Yeah, and I pack peanut butter packets, and then I pack a collagen packet. Well multiple because I packed those for my coffee. So when I fly to Southeast Asia, all the stuff it's like a 12 hour flight there's only like three meals. Sometimes I can't have any of them. Sometimes I can have one of them. So I just am like alright, we got carbs, we got fat, we got protein, boom, like, and it's this, it's a meal in a cup and I just make it and so that helps me when I, like when I'm on a long flight that I'm like I'm gonna need to eat something because I don't I don't like eating the powerbar. I am no longer 21 that isn't real food. I think given the episode we're talking about Jenny would agree. (Lesley laughs) No, no, she's like, we need to stop something was bad or good but we also can say what's real. (Lesley laughs) I can't, I can't with it, I can't, I'm too, I need, I need to chew my food, it needs to, I need a utensil of some kind. SoClare Solly 5:15  I love this. I love this because it's like, and I was ready for you to ask it for me back. And like, I love how like you want tangible things to make yourself comfortable. And I'm like, I need to download a meditation because I don't sleep on airplanes. (Lesley: Oh that's cool.) So, I download the meditation and I like and whether it's just sounds or something like that, and I just listened to the meditation and I can put it on repeat and kind of just zen out and it's almost as good as sleeping.Lesley Logan 5:40  You are reminding me because I also cannot sleep on plane because I can't sleep unless I'm laying down and mama (Clare: Yeah) ain't rich enough for first class yet, but we're gonna be it till we see it. And so Clare Solly 5:52  Medicine manifest that.Lesley Logan 5:54  Manifesting. So what I used to have the calm app since I no longer travel, I deleted that membership, because I would just use it to play Mat Mcconaughey nighttime story. His bedtime story, oh my gosh, when I flew to Brazil, I listened to it five times in a row. And so I'd wake up every time he'd stop talking. I put it back on and I just sleep. (Lesley laughs)Clare Solly 6:19  Oh my gosh. Well ... (Lesley: Like a baby.) since your podcast girl, LeVar Burton reads stories on his, like on his podcast and ...Lesley Logan 6:27  I should just download that. Then I don't have to get a new app. Genius. Clare, thank you so much. So you, so that's your essential one thing, you have to have (Clare: Yeah) the meditation.Clare Solly 6:35  I mean, I need snacks and gum and moisturizer too. But like the meditation app is like the one that I'm like, (Lesley: Yeah) I don't like to travel more than like an hour flight or two.Lesley Logan 6:45  You know what? I also find and this is actually I was listening to one of my favorite podcasts it's all women, they're talking about rom-coms or something like that, or mo... like oh, no that to me like movie airplane appropriate movies. And like the it was not my favorite female one but it's in the same companies podcast is called Love It or Leave It. And, and people were like, "Look, you should not be watching your Oscar winning movies on an airplane. You should be watching 90s rom-coms and watching how poorly they age but they put you to sleep and that's what you should be watching." (Lesley and Clare laughs) And I'm like, "I do that. I do that actually. I put on the Breakfast Club, Pretty Woman." It just them like, (Clare: Yeah) "Okay." (Lesley laughs) Anyways, I do miss it, Brad and my dad, you know, when I talked to them in Singapore, which is like four flights later. I said, "Oh, Singapore Airport has a movie theater." They're like, "We've seen them all. We've seen all the movies." (Lesley laughs) All right. Well, let's talk about Jenny Schatzle.Clare Solly 7:45  Yes, Jenny Schatzle. A woman on fire for changing the conversation around food, body image, the definition of health. Jenny Schatzle decided to change the structure of her gym, got rid of weight, weigh ins, restrictive diets, and instead equipped women to live intentionally and move their bodies with confidence. This conversation was so inspiring for me Lesley, I hope it was ins... as inspiring for you to talk to her as (Lesley: I love her) it was for me to listen to it ...Lesley Logan 8:14  I'm so glad. But I'm so glad you said that because like, you know it can be like not everybody wants to have this conversation. And not everyone's wants to hear, me to have this conversation with everyone but I do I wanted to bring her on because I really do believe in her mission and her message and when I said on the podcast like when I met her I was like, "This woman is on fire." She's like we seen her bio and more people need to hear what she's doing and she has been she has been some like sometimes my saving grace, her lives make me like her like little lives make me crack up. So, I'm glad you liked it.Clare Solly 8:49  Yeah, it was so good. Do you have one thing that you loved about talking with her?(Lesley: Yeah) One thing that you brought away from it. Lesley Logan 8:57  Yeah. I mean there's so many things we could talk about. Also like please everyone like I did say this in the podcast but scroll back through her like her lives and her reels because when her daughters are playing in their bedroom quietly and she thinks that they are like just being quiet little amazingness girls and she goes in and they use marker all over their faces. And it's picture day like I kid you not I cry, cry, cry. So anyways, I because I can just like I know that would have been my sister and I so like I know. But aside from all the comedy entertainment and but in the way she's really just being honest with all of us. I love when she talked about the line between health and obsession and I think this is a fine line. (Clare: Yeah) And I know for myself, just because of the the family I've had in my life and because I was picked up ... y'all who talked about like the people getting picked up to be a model from a mall. That was me. I was one of those people. And here I was ...Clare Solly 9:57  More than once. Right? (Lesley: More than once.) I feel like ... (Clare laughs)Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah. Happen... I know and then I and then I did get picked up at the gym and I did model and, and also all every single one of those times, no matter how much self development I did, every single one of them sent me down a place that wasn't really, that took health from to obsession, because here I was at 13 being told I needed to lose weight. And then in high school, it happened again. And then actually like after college in my early 30s and I was too skinny for commercial, my commercial agent was like, "You're too skinny." And my modeling agents like, "You're not skinny enough." And I'm like, "Well, no one's booking me. So I'm not really sure which way to go." And so you know, and then because my stomach issues, some things, I thought I was doing the name of health. And then there's also the, you know, I got all the compliments in the world when I was 25 pounds lighter. And I look at those pictures. And that is not I mean, I'm sure I was pretty, it's great. It's fun, it was not though, you can see I'm tired, you can see, like, I am not sleeping, like just all these things. And so I I do feel like I struggled a lot through my 20s and to my mid 30s on health versus obsession. And now somebody asked me yesterday, I was getting a new tattoo everyone. And the woman was like, "How healthy are you?" And I said, "I don't, I don't know understand?" She's like, "Do you drink?" And I said, "Oh, yeah, I drink." So it was that the line? (Lesley and Clare laughs) But I think it's like, you know, everyone is wondering what that is? And I think it's different. I think, I don't know, I feel like the diff... the definition is what works for you. Like, is it keeping you from going on a trip? Like, can you travel? Can you have a meeting with people at work? Do you have to always bring your own food? You know, I don't know.Clare Solly 11:41  Yeah, and I mean, it's, it's interesting, too, because she mentioned about how your weight or control of your food was, was a control thing. And, you know, when we're feeling out of control, we go to our diet and our exercise and try to control that, because that's something that gets quick results (Lesley: Yeah) that, you know, we can cut something out, or we can add reps in or whatever. And we can, can get control over something like that. And it's, it's interesting to watch friends who are on diets or who are working out or in, you know, new workout routines, and you start to lose like that first 10 pounds, that first 20 pounds. And then they just keep going and they go overboard. Like (Lesley: Yeah) like, and it's, it's just like, you're gorgeous, like stop, or, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) like if you don't feel good, stop. Lesley Logan 12:32  Well, and there's so, so many factors to that there is the affirmations that come around with that, there is the maybe you're not getting results anywhere else in your life, and you're getting results there. So you just keep going. I think it's, you know, I think this is where having a, we'll talk about a little bit later, but having some sort of like journaling practice or having open conversations with friends, and really exploring because the more I got curious about like, why like there be... I remember I remember distinctly going, "Am I, am I still trying to get healthy with my stomach? Or am I, did I switch the goal to the goal switch me," you know, and so that really required a lot of thought. And then when this guy actually figured what was wrong with my stomach altogether. And I met another holistic doctor, and they were helping me and I was gaining weight, then I had to like actually have like, literally like almost like changing the chair conversation myself where I sat in one chair. And then I sat in another chair. And I sat in another chair because it was really hard for me to know that the weight I was gaining was actually really healthy and assigned that like I am in good health. Like I'm a, I'm doing good versus like the obsession of like keeping the compliments coming, you know, so it's different. And also, like for sure, as a person in the fitness world, like gaining weight is like something that can be really, that you start to tell yourself a lot of stories. So this is it's it's a complicated talking point. And wherever you are on the journey, it's not something that's not good or bad. That's what I think that Jenny was trying to say here, but I really do... well, have you explore like, is it really for the health or did you switch and it can happen in an instant. It's (Clare: Yeah) not like, you know, so anyways, what is one thing that you love that she said?Clare Solly 14:25  I loved that she said, and I'm gonna quote her we say things... because I had to rewind and like, it's like a hit me in the chest. And so I rewind, and I typed it out, like I hope this is exact. We say things because we think others are thinking it and we say it because we want them to know that we know and she was talking about how she had the client who called herself big. And this, oh, I felt a little teary right there. This hit home for me, because like Lesley you know we've met we've been in (Lesley: Yeah) person so many times. I am six feet tall and I am 282 pounds. If you look at me like from a distance if you look at pictures of me, I don't look like I weighed almost 300 pounds. I am very well proportioned. I am tall. I am beautiful. I'm I'm a frickin beauty queen. Like I ...Lesley Logan 15:20  I know you are. Did you... she does pageants. (Lesley and Clare laughs)Clare Solly 15:23  I do pageants. I am out in the world and being beautiful. But it took me a long time to get to the point where I, I didn't relate my size, with big and with my size with being fat because I'm a size 18. (Lesley: Yeah) And on me, it's it looks different than most people who are of size 18. And I'm not saying anything negative about anybody of any size, because I don't care what size you are. You're beautiful. (Lesley: Yeah) Like if you think you're beautiful, then you are. But this hit me so hard, because I was the person I used to make a joke. And I'd be like, "Yeah, I'm just fat." And people will be like, "What are you talking about? Like, (Lesley: Yeah) you're not fat." Like you've said it to me 100 times probably. (Lesley: Yeah) And I had to reform the way I said it because yeah, I was calling it out. I was being like, I was the elephant in the room. And I was saying, "Yeah, here I am." Um ...Lesley Logan 16:20  Right. So that no one else could like think it and like like, yeah, so like you could just call it out. So then it was like done and then then ... YeahClare Solly 16:27  Yeah, or worry about me because I was the bigger one in the room. Like, okay, like, I don't want people to feel uncomfortable because they think I might be uncomfortable.Lesley Logan 16:36  Yeah. And but also you saying that as a joke. Part of that maybe it's because you, I don't know. Like I don't put words in my mouth. But I also know so many women I have I have people in my pol... on OPC who do call themselves fat. And I think like, they they are reframing the word. And may we all you know, and I do think it really this is something that's like really important for all of us to understand, like I have had, I brought Amy Ledin and I brought on some other coaches and Jenny Schatzle at first, I was like, "No good or bad foods or just food." (Clare: Yeah) And then also like, this is it's the interesting thing that the media put in, like, how come we knew every models weight, and height and size, right, when they were like modeling, (Clare: Yeah) because you're six feet tall, there is a size six feet has to be, like (Clare: Yeah) you just like you'll fall over. And, and so I think like whether or not you feel comfortable, like owning the word right now that fat is fine. Like there's nothing wrong with that. It is all about us, like really recognizing that we have to change the conversation of how we feel about our bodies, because it is affecting everything we do. And it is affecting the next generation. And so I'm not an expert at this, but I really do want to keep learning it because I my grandmother was over 300 pounds. So I only knew people were on diets. I just thought all women were on diets (Clare: Yeah) my whole life, you know.Clare Solly 18:06  I mean, that's sort of our mother's generation, too. Like our (Lesley: Yeah) mothers and our grandmothers were always on diets. And I think the I think you too said this in this this podcast, like a diet isn't something, it's not meant to be a long term. Like it's, it's not meant to be ...Lesley Logan 18:21  Yeah. Well, technically a diet is how you eat. (Clare: Yeah) So we're all on diet of some kind, because it's like the way you eat. That's just like the definition that I could recall because I remember I said that I was on gluten free diet to my grandfather and he goes "You're too skinny to be on a diet" because he only ... and like, "No, it just means I can't have the gluten. That's just the diet label." And you know, I think I just remember I don't recall who said but there's a book rethinking thin and I when I discovered where the history of the of the female body came from, which is a cartoon character, it really stuck with me. And it also stuck with me when they did these like these studies like on which is kind of diet is better or the you know, what was the one where everyone's having bacon this before keto was the atkins. (Clare: atkins) Yeah, atkins. Y'all, I know my, I know my diets. I know what my grandma did. And, and, versus just moderation. And I just remember thinking, wow, if they've done all this, study all this stuff, and it's not changing based on the food you're eating, then there has to be something different. And I really do think it's how we feel about ourselves, and the conversation we have around what we're eating, and we have to stop working out as punishment for what we ate too (Clare: Yeah) everyone working (Clare: Yeah) out is it's own thing. It's not com... brought in on the food.Clare Solly 19:41  Yeah, well Jenny even said it's not the donut. It's the guilt around the donut. (Lesley: Yeah) So have the donut but don't feel guilty ...Lesley Logan 19:48  Right? It isn't so much more freeing. I can't wait to go have a doughnut... (Clare: Yeah) I don't have one. Ok whew. Clare Solly 19:53  Yeah. Well and you know, I gave myself permission a while ago to just eat something like just eat it. If I want it like, I know that I'm not going to go crazy and eat a whole bag of chips, but if that's what I'm craving, and that's what my body wants, I'm going to eat a whole bag of chips right now and then I'll be fine ...Lesley Logan 20:14  ... truffle one and also nothing wrong with the chips, right? The chips aren't good or bad. It's what you think around them and, and why you're, you know, like, it's just information like, why are you grabbing the whole bag? Brad bought some truffle chips, everyone. And I was like, "Oh, I'll just have one. I just need one." And I like had I was like, "You better hide the bag, because no one needs as much truffles about ..." (Lesley laughs) I was like, "Oh, this is so good, I'm gonna ruin my dinner."Clare Solly 20:41  Oh, I love a good truffle. (Lesley: I know) Speaking of Brad, I feel like I should say the thing that Brad usually says at this point. (Lesley: Yeah, here you go.) So let's talk about the BE IT action items. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items (I practice that y'all) can we take away from your conversation with Jenny Schatzle?Lesley Logan 21:03  Well, why don't you jump on in. That's what Brad does.Clare Solly 21:05  Oh yeah. (Lesley and Clare laughs) We love you Brad. Mine was write it out. I loved how the two of you talked about journaling. And as a longtime listener of this pod. I wanted to jump in and give my thoughts on journalising, journalising.Lesley Logan 21:25  Journaling. Journalising? Journaling. Oh, that's a has its own word already. Okay. (Lesley laughs) I thought, I thought we're like making up a new word, which I love to do and Brad hates. But ... (Lesley and Clare laughs)Clare Solly 21:41  Okay, journaling. Because, you know, you've been talking about, how you've been doing The Artist's Way. I did The Artist's Way, a long, long, long time ago, I've been a big fan of journaling forever. And I love that you talked about journaling on this pod so much. But I always want to like shout it to the pod people or to the podcasters, the pod people, I'm making more words. It's my mudslides that I'm drinking ...Lesley Logan 21:58  Or it's poddies, right. Like, listen to you and a shout out to all the poddies. (Lesley laughs)Clare Solly 22:07  All the poddies. You got some poddies on this cast. (Lesley: Yeah) Um, that like, everybody's like, "What, how do I start journaling?" Or like, the big question when I'm journaling is how do I start? And like, I just remember when I did The Artist's Way, like, the big thing you do is just keep writing. Like, even if you write the three pages. I hate journaling. Journaling is stupid. I hate journaling. I mean, you don't want to be negative. But if that's all you're writing, just just keep writing it and just ... (Lesley: Well, that's be it it you see it).Lesley Logan 22:35  That's be it till you see it. You're like, "I hate this. I'm doing it because I know I want to write." (Lesley laughs)Clare Solly 22:41  And eventually ideas will start coming. And like I started doing that. And I wrote for two years and ended up writing a novel. So you never know what's going to come out of it. And again, that's a very BE IT moment. Right? So just write, who cares what you're writing. You could write your name over and over and just keep journaling. Anyway, that's mine ...Lesley Logan 23:01  I love it. I love that one. I couldn't agree more. Everyone, (Clare: Yeah) my dogs, I've got two of four in this room. And for whatever reason, ear flapping and no one likes the way the bed is set up. So ... (Clare: That's okay, you're single mom this week. It's fine.) I'm single dog mom this week. It's real. Everything you're hearing is real. Yes. And thank you for for explaining that again because I think people really need to hear that. They have to because I was that person whose therapist was like, "You should journal." And I said, "Okay, no problem. I got a journal." And then week later, I'm like, "So this journaling thing. What do you do? How do you journal?" And she's like, (Clare: Yeah. I'm not hater.) "Okay, you are too much of a perfectionist here. You just need to put a pen to the paper." So like she... shout out to her for calling me out on my stuff. All right, my favorite thing. Okay, this kind of come from the The Artist's Way stuff that I've been doing. But when she said, "Where did you learn that in your body, that your body wasn't good enough?" (Clare: Oh, yeah) This is a BE IT action item that she said at the end. And you all need to listen to this. And I need to rethink this. And we and maybe you ask yourself that a couple times. And if you've already like you're already like owning the body you're in like, "Hey, way to go. Sorry that we sound like we're behind the times. We are working on it. We are works in progress." And and I love this because whether or not you can just insert it so that you can also insert like where did you learn that you can't be an entrepreneur? Where did you learn that you can't be a good mom? Where did you learn that you can't be a good wife? Where did you learn that you can't be this? Asking that question of yourself is really going to actually get to the root of the problem because I have found that a lot of the things that I believe, the limiting beliefs I believe are other people's voices.Clare Solly 24:41  Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? (Lesley: Yeah) Crazy?Lesley Logan 24:45  Yeah. Yeah. So it's crazy. And also like, duh, of course that's where we all are. Everyone is just trying to do their best and sometimes harming others. And so anyways, I feel like please write that question down. She had so many BE IT action items though and Clare and I could probably go on forever because we we did before we hit record. (Lesley and Clare laughs)Clare Solly 25:07  Yeah, we forgot to give people the warning that they should probably turn their speed down to 1, 1.0 for this one. (Clare laughs)Lesley Logan 25:13  You know, what? Did you hear that on the Helaine episode, ladies this coming up and gentlemen, I'm sure that if you're good and listening. My my upcoming guests after the 100th episode, she's like, "I'm gonna really try to talk slow. So if I sound abnormally slow, I'm going to try to talk slow." And I said, "Oh, I'm not a good helper for you. I talk fast." So she's like, she's like, "We should probably set a episode. It's already a set .1 .25. So just adjust accordingly. (Lesley and Clare laughs)Clare Solly 25:13  I mean, I think Brad said it in the recap that y'all did of my of my podcast ... Clare laughs) They was like, no, they actually talked about that.Lesley Logan 25:29  Yeah, yeah, we do. She's and by the way, everyone we didn't have the star of the show. We probably should have. Clare Solly, we actually talked about on the episode that came out at the time that we're recording this, which was ... (Clare: 19) Yeah, so you're episode 19. And we talked about you several times. But especially on the Wild Honey episode, which number I can't remember, but it has just (Clare: Okay) come out the week of April the fourth. So yeah, okay. How are you going to use these tips in your life my love is like, tell us how you're gonna do it? Here's how you do that. You actually screenshot this episode, you tag me, you tag Clare Solly. Clare, what is your Instagram handle? It's in the show notes. But what it is ...Clare Solly 26:29  It is @youwontbesolly s o l l y. And that's my Instagram handle. While you w o n t ... b e s o l l y. Yeah and tag me. I would love it. Yeah, my challenge for you is to tag us.Lesley Logan 26:42  Yeah, she just offered you a challenge. So you tag her, tag the @be_it_pod and tag Jenny Schatzle with your BE IT action and takeaway that you're gonna keep after this episode. And also do like, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. If you have a friend who has been struggling with change in that conversation and how they feel about their body, how they feel about they eat, what they eat. Sometimes it's hard for you to talk to them, but sometimes like, they'll hear it from this episode. So share it, text it to them. It's how this podcast grows. It's also Jenny gets her message out to more people. So until next time, we'll catch on the next episode Be It Till You See It.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 27:49  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. 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The conversation with our body has been defined for us since birth. The comments made as you grew up helped shape your mindset. It's not your fault, but it is time to change the dialogue around food and our definition of health. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:* Changing the conversation around food for the next generation * Redefining what health means to you. * The line between health and obsession * Why people are still trying to be certain sizes* Learn and relearn your definition of health * How to change the dialogue in your own headEpisode References/Links:* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyschatzle/?hl=en* Jenny Schatzle Ted Talk: Rewiring how you look at yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DNqKig7Xis* Jenny Schatzle Ted talk: The opinion that really matters https://www.ted.com/talks/jenny_schatzle_the_opinion_that_really_mattersGuest Bio:Jenny Schatzle's passion is to change the conversation on body image, self worth and the power of movement. Her ambition is teaching women to live the life they want, not the life they think they should. She is an author, mother of twins, speaker and business owner. Her newest book, Breaking the cycle helps you get to the root of toxic cycles holding you back. Through tools, conversation, and mindset Jenny helps you create solutions that will change your life forever.Motivational, authentic and relatable Jenny is a highly sought after speaker and guide for women who want to make lasting change and impact in their own lives. She has been featured in dozens of media outlets worldwide and has two TEDx talks that had audiences on their feet. Jenny believes her true purpose in life is to help women feel good about themselves and empower everyone to change the conversation.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Hi, Be It listener. Holy frickin moly! Get your notes out and if you're driving, you are just going to listen and want to come back ... you're going to come back. This is an episode you will 100%, 100% save. I've Jenny Schatzle y'all here. And when I tell you like girl crush, like fucking girl crush. I met her before any of us knew what was going on with the world. And I was at this incredible event by Erica Hood, who was also a podcast guest. Brad will tell you what the episode was. But she had wrapped your womanhood as an event and it was just women supporting women. And Jenny Schatzle came up to me and she introduced herself and she told me what she was doing. And she's like, "I'm changing the conversation." I was like, like, I like the the boldness that was in her, the confidence that it was in her like, and when I say this, like, there was not an ounce of me that doubted that that's exactly what she was doing. And I, at the time I was living in LA and that is, like that's a city where you can kind of see like, people are saying what they're doing, but you like, "Are really doing that?" They're like this one was doing it. And she sat up there and at the panel, and I knew exactly why she was invited, I knew exactly what she was doing. And I just was like, "I've got to be friends with her." And then of course, you know, as the world shut down, and I had had pivot everything in our businesses, I just kept following her and kept commenting our stuff, kept staying in touch with her, kept laughing at her videos, and I share all that because sometimes like you are inspired by someone and one, they might you might be inspiring the right back but two, their when someone is working so hard at something, you got to support them. You, I'm telling you, you got to support them because a) it makes you feel freakin good that you're doing it, b) it makes them realize that they are they are making a point, they are making sense, they are getting their word out. And it and when they are doing something that's so powerful, it it rubs off on you. And I know for a fact that so many of the things she has said, so many things she's done. They've hit me on days when I've had we'll be talking about like bad body days. Some of her points have hit me on bad body days. And I'm like, "Oh, Les, remember who you are. Remember what you're doing. Remember why you're doing this." And I don't want to keep talking because I do want you to get into this episode. Our conversation is just, it's just really amazing. But it is if you are someone who ever has bad body days, this is literally for you. Re listen to it as many times as you need. Her BE IT action items are freaking awesome. There are so many quotes in here. I, my team is going to have to quote them all. (Lesley laughs) So that she can have them but also so that we can remind you whenever we need to that you got to stop outsourcing your frickin good days and bad days of the scale. And this one, this woman is on a mission to change the conversation. She really really truly is. She lives it. She breathes it. And you're going to get that on this episode. So after this brief message, here's Jenny.Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Alright, Be It listeners. I have the one and only Jenny Schatzle here. I met this woman she is fire. Okay, so when she actually when I let her talk, she was just going to blow your mind. I couldn't take my eyes off of her, my ears off of her. I really fell in love with her. I met her like two weeks before. Everything changed in everyone's world. And she has just been fired to watch makes me laugh on her Instagram. She inspires me and I had to get her here on the podcast for all of you. So Jenny, can you tell everyone who you are? What you're doing? What you're like so fired up about?Jenny Schatzle 4:29  Oh, first of all, thank you for having me. It's so fun just being here with you, and all your listeners. My name is Jenny Schatzle and I am here to help women change the conversation on body image, confidence and movement. So, I think we're about to have a really impactful, powerful conversation and I can't wait.Lesley Logan 4:47  I am so excited. So I would love for you to share like how did this come about? Is it when you had daughters? Were you thinking about doing this before? By the way your kids make me laugh so much and so or was it something that like had been part of your, your drive for many, many years.Jenny Schatzle 5:06  So I, yes, I own a gym in Santa Barbara, California. I have been in the fitness industry for over 20 years. And what I just realized was I did all the things you were supposed to do, I gave people restrictive diets, I weighed them in, I did measurements, I did before and afters, I did them for myself, myself, pretty much my entire life. I grew up very much in a diet binge, not only family cycle, but life cycle. And, and I just got to this point where I realized it wasn't sustainable. It wasn't making me happy, and the continual conversation of when I do this, so like, when I lose the weight, then I'll have more energy. When I have a flat stomach, then I'll be happy. When I fit in this size four pant, then my life will start. And even when I was at my fitness, my goal weight, my low body fat, I never realized it because it was never good enough. And so I had this aha moment. And, you know, luckily it was before I had children, and then I was blessed with twins. And not only twins, but girl twins. So I have two little girls, Hope and Haven. And my movement really, you know, I thought, "God, we really need to change this for the younger generation." But here's the stopping point. We cannot change it for them, unless we're changing it for ourselves. And I really believe not only women, but moms, you know, it's like we are, I don't care what anybody says "we're the head of the household." You know, we are we are doing all the things, but we are the ones also saying all the things. So this message that we have about our bodies, about food, about our own self worth, is so ingrained in us that we don't even realize how toxic it is because we've been saying it for so long. So (Lesley: 100%) ya know, I always ask everybody like, "Where, you know, think about where do you start the change? It's got to start with the conversation, the conversation we have with ourselves, and the conversation we have with each other."Lesley Logan 7:09  Yeah, I mean, like, I think back to my entire childhood, because my grandmother was very large. She always has been and she like the the thing she would always say is like like they should never have taken her off fen-phen because it was the best thing that worked and like (Jenny: Oh) that. Like I grew up as a junior high kid knowing what Fen-Phen was, knowing what Weight Watchers all those things. And so I remember, I remember this like, like, probably seven years ago, six years I was with my husband, we were in Joshua Tree going to the grocery store, and there was a woman. And she was wearing a t shirt as a dress. And she walked with such confident and she had cellulite and tiger marks, all the stuff. And I looked at her and I thought, "I don't walk with that much confidence." And I was like, "What is my deal?" Like, it was like this weird outer body experience. And that's when I realized we're going, I, I am I'm like, I'm also doing the whole watching what I eat, like the conversation I have with myself. And I was like, "I'm if I'm not happy in this body, when am I gonna be happy. So look at her. She's happy. Like, she looks great. She's walking with con... she looks amazing. I'm over here, like thinking my jeans are too tight," you know. And so I like I really love what you're talking about because it's true. I don't have kids, but like the things that I say even as a trainer for my clients, you know, like, if I can't be positive about my own body and the conversation I have myself, I can't help them stop that conversation in the studio, cannot, you know, so it really does expand. How... And I just had a girl here at my house this weekend and she mentioned that her daughter goes around to saying, "I'm busy." Because like her daughter hears her say the mom says, "I'm busy all the time." (Jenny: Yeah) So the daughter's like, "I'm busy. Can't do that. I'm busy." And so you're right, the kid, our kids do pick up on everything we say. So what how did that, how do you change that though? You're a gym owner, and people expect some sort of like, you know what I mean? Like, this is a struggle that (Jenny: Yeah) I see like, I have clients all the time who come to me who lose weight. And I literally say, "I actually am not a nutritionist, and that's not something I can focus on with you. Here's what I can do." You know, so is that what you did? Or like, how did you have like change the conversation at your gym?Jenny Schatzle 9:11  Yeah, and it was difficult. And I still have people you know, people want to get weighed and people want and it's a huge selling point, it was for us. And so if you want to get in, they want to do measurements, they want to do before and afters. But when you really get into the conversation, and you keep asking, "why." Like, "Why? Why does that why does that matter? Oh, when you get to this point, well who..." The whole part of this conversation is getting to the root of like, where this started and why we think this way, right? So who told you that being 140 pounds was exactly where you're supposed to be? And the weight which you're supposed to live at and be happy at that. So where who and where did we learn that our body wasn't good enough? And we have to become aware of, truly I'm going to be honest. It's not our fault. Like we were not born hating our bodies. And this was a message like you said you saw a woman in this t shirt and she's rocking it, she's got say like. Think about most of us grew up seeing magazine covers showing cellulite rolls, and it says, "Look at the celebrity gone wrong." Like it's, you know, it's all it's all of this information always like cellulite, fat rows, getting bigger. This is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. (Lesley: Yeah) That's the message we received. And so of course, we are think about how much energy and time we spend on a daily basis, worrying about our bodies, what we eat, that's a lot of energy and it's a lot of time. And it's keeping us small, in every single way. And so the problem is, not only are we continuing this conversation we're passing it on. So if we can start to question like, "Why do I have to have a scale that I have to weigh myself every morning to determine if I'm going to have a good or a bad day." Like (Lesley: Yeah) my day, and I've lived with this. So this is my truth. Like, I used to start every day by getting on the scale in the bathroom. And if I was heavy, right gained a couple pounds, that means I'm at the gym, I'm probably going to wear a sweatshirt, maybe I'm going to do two or three classes, like I'm doing everything I can to undo what has just happened. If ...Lesley Logan 11:09  Right. Which could have been like you had pasta the night before, and how ... (Jenny: 100%) Like it could be like you're about to have your period. (Lesley laughs)Jenny Schatzle 11:18  A 100%. The messages we received as women should have been, your body is going to change. (Lesley: Yeah) On it probably for a lot of us on a daily basis. But on a weekly basis, like we are never, we're not the same way all the time. And when we put so much value in this number on the scale. Like think about your funeral. People, if you got to look, if you got to listen in on your funeral, people are not going to sit there and be like, "Wow, she was so thin. I'm really proud of her for losing the body or the baby weight. I'm really, you know, like good for her for not eating sugar and really sticking to that diet." Like those things are not important. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And here's where it gets a little like, you know, people say, "Oh, you're anti diet, anti diet, diet culture." I don't like to be, "Yes, I am." I don't like to be anti anything, because I think it puts people's walls up. But we have to come from a place of like realizing we've got to redefine what the definition of health is. (Lesley: Yeah) So there's this, there's a line between health and obsession, because obsession is not health. So for me growing up in the name of health, I cut entire food groups out and obsessed about not eating them. I worked out way harder than I probably should have. I actually took me out of living my life, I didn't enjoy eating because I was so obsessed about what I was eating or what I shouldn't be eating or how I was going to make it up or tomorrow I can start cleansing so that I can binge. And it was just this vicious cycle. But in my mind, I was being healthy. (Lesley: Yeah) So I tell people, it's like a good example, for me to be 20 pounds lighter than I am now takes me out of living my life. And (Lesley: Yeah) to me that's not health. So it's people were always looking for like, "Oh yeah, you shouldn't eat like, you shouldn't eat dairy, you should eat carbs." If we all ate the same and worked out the same, we would still have different bodies. (Lesley: Right) So why are we convinced that something that worked for your friend is gonna work for you? But also your friend has a different body. And is that sustainable? Like, yeah, we can all lose weight but is it sustainable? And is it going to keep you enjoying your life? This is where the line of like, what is healthy and what is obsession? We need to we need to clear that up.Lesley Logan 13:31  Yeah, so with like, what are some signs that like, I mean, to you and I it might be a little obvious and maybe some of the listeners would know but like just in case someone doesn't know what obsession looks like? Can you think of some of the clients you've had or even your own experience that like signs of like obsession around? What is healthy even though it like you said it in the name of health we do these obsessive things? What what have those look like for some people?Jenny Schatzle 13:57  So what I like to tell people is truly trying to change the conversation and your mindset about working out. Right? Like, and I know we all see these means like, you know, workout should be for your health and not about food or but it's actually like you always say putting it into action because that's how we get clarity, right. That's how we that's how we go towards our purpose is by doing action. So thinking like, working out and obsession is I have to get X amount of miles, I have to burn X amount of calories. I have to work out for at least 45 minutes, like we need to redefine. I always tell people, you should try to move every day intentionally. And so that needs to change and what that means like for me some days, I've got twins, my husband is a firefighter. He's gone all the time. I own a business like I own a gym, and I can't make it to the gym every day. So for me sometimes that's intentionally going to do 10 minutes of walking around the block, doing a 10 minute YouTube video, stretching like intentionally moving sometimes it's 20 minutes, sometimes it's an hour so not having so much pressure to do X amount, it's like, "Oh, yeah, I'm going to move for 10 minutes because one, this is all I have today. And two, this is going to change my energy, my attitude and my mood." So (Lesley: Yeah) people always ask, "How do you find joy in movement?" It's when you stop using it as a weight loss tool. And how your cha... body changes is just what's going to happen. But don't make that the focus because when we change the conversation about working out, it's like, "Oh, yeah, I'm going to do this, because I'm actually feeling very stuck, paralyzed, crabby, I'm yelling at my kids." When you physically move your body, you physically move your thoughts and your energy and your mind. So when you start moving for the right reasons, it becomes enjoyable and you want to do it.Lesley Logan 15:42  You are 100% correct. Like I talked a lot about how habits are built, and because our habits just become our routines. And I studied with BJ Fogg. So it's like, you're not you're ditching the 21 days, it's actually all about emotion. And so it's like you just said, the joy in movement. If you're wanting to make intentional movement, something that is easier to do, you actually have to bring positive emotions around the thing. Because when you bring shame, of course, you don't want to move. Of course, your brain is like, "That doesn't make me feel good. Why would I remember to do that?" And I am, so I really love that you said and I also, I love that you're honest about like, the 10 minutes, because sometimes that's all I can do. When we had 25 women here, every morning, I couldn't do my normal routine, which I do for me, it makes me feel really good. And some days it changes. Some days, it's breath work with a walk. Some days, it's a run, and I get to actually get my studio. But um, but all I did was like all I have is 10 minutes, I'm gonna run the dog around the block. So we're gonna maximize our 10 minutes, and we're gonna get those dopamine up and I can walk in with a smile on my face. And it is true we have I really think like, for me, the moment I stopped going, I had to my my Pilates session has to be 55 minutes because the gym says all workouts are 55 minutes. And I'm like, "I think they did that for payroll. I'm pretty sure there's no science behind the hour long workout." (Lesley laughs)Jenny Schatzle 17:03  There's no science ... There's no science around a lot of things like I'm just gonna interupt right there, (Lesley: Yeah) like the BMI, right? Actually, a lot of things that are happening and coming out now, even going to the doctor for a lot of women is very, it's it's scary. It's, you know, a lot of my body stuff started when I was 10 years old. And I went to the doctor and he said, "Look at this chart on the wall, and according to your height and your weight, you are fat on the borderline of obese." And I was just like a kid growing, going through my stuff like I was in no, but it was at that moment. I learned. "Oh, yeah. Okay, stop. Oh, wait, this is this is bad." Like being fat is bad. This is not healthy. This is and I was not an obese child. I was, you know, again, going through it what every girl, boy does. And then it's at that point, I started seeing the magazines, then noticing, "Oh, my family. Oh, my mom's eating SnackWell cook. And this whole like kind of diet? Oh, your body is not good. This is not where you're supposed to be." And you know, when we're talking about changing the conversation on movement that also goes into food, like what are we obsessing about? Right? So when just like you said, I mean, you're a Pilates instructor and can't always like this, people need to remember even these people that are telling you what to do, or we're living this too. Right? And for a lot of us that grew up in the fitness industry. This was just what you were supposed to do. You know, X amount this is these are all the lessons I learned. And this is how you're supposed to eat. And so changing the conversation of really realizing how we talk about food is so important. It's like labeling food, good and bad. That's we need to really discourage people to do that. Like that's not a thing. We shouldn't be doing that anymore. Because you just said with a shame around working out like, "Oh, I didn't get this in, or oh, I should have done that." Shame and guilt is one of the biggest thing that keeps us in our toxic food cycles. So when we eat something, it's not the donut. It's actually the guilt and shame you have around that donut, that's probably going to make you eat five more and then think, "Okay, I just binge. Now I'm going to get back on it." Where if you just had a doughnut and moved on, but it's not that simple. Because we have to go back and heal this relationship that we have with food in our body in order to move forward from it like, "Oh, yeah, this started very young. This started when my mom either told me my belly was big, or I saw her tell herself, her thighs were big." So I always believe our parents did the best they could with what they knew. But a lot of us grew up watching our mom, disliking her body or commenting on our body or commenting on other people's bodies. And that's where internally we got this message that, "Oh yeah, a thin body is the right body. A thin body is the body you're supposed to have and a thin body is successful." I'm going to tell you, when I was at my thinnest, I was mentally my most miserable. (Lesley: Yeah) And again, that is in health. So the food thing is such a it's it's so hard to because it's everywhere.Right? (Jenny: Right. But we ...) And we need to sustain life like you have to actually.And you needed to sustain life. Like I'm nine years sober. I don't need alcohol to sustain life. Right? And so I quit drinking, because I got to my breaking point. And that's a whole other podcast. But we I quit drinking and then it was my actually, my food and body stuff really came up. That's when I was like, "Oh, here we go. This is another thing because I didn't have alcohol to numb me out any more than I had food (Lesley: Yeah) than I had working out." So it's all they're all connected, whether it's alcohol, food, shopping, people pleasing, pill popping, it's (Lesley: Yeah) all a way to numb out.Lesley Logan 20:38  Yeah, I just (Jenny: And so ...) wanted I heard the other day someone bring up like a way of control as people pleasing. And I never thought about that way. So those of you didn't hear that, you have to hear that, like it's a that kind of thing. It's all it's all mixed up in there. And we have and people pleasing is also, I think, a lot of reasons why people are still trying to be a certain size, because they think people will like them. They'll get things like that they want done. And I have to say like most of the people that I admire, respect and learn from are not obsessing about food. (Lesley laughs) They're not, they're just not because they don't have the time. I don't know, they don't have the time to think about that.Jenny Schatzle 21:15  Yeah, and you know, truly it is, again, a lot of this. I can I can speak on this, because this was my life. And a lot of a lot of this, it may sound harsh, and it may be like, "Yeah, that's great but how do you get there?" You have to first realize that, honestly, it's not your fault. Like, (Lesley: Yeah) a lot of the issues we have with food in our bodies are what we grew up. It's what we learned watching, is what we were told it's what, it might not have been our parents, it might have been a kid on a playground like, and it's just stuck with us. But we have to really internalize like, we have to question that, "Who said that? You know, why why am I allowing them to tell me, this is the way I should look, this is the way." And so changing the conversation around food when you're talking about control, like dieting is a control. So when we feel we all have bad body days. Like, "I am completely on this." Like, "I don't diet anymore. I still have bad body days." And then when that happens, I immediately think because it's so ingrained, like, "Oh, maybe I maybe I should juice. Maybe I shouldn't eat that." And it's like, "Oh, yeah, wait a minute. That's what's ingrained in me. That's not who I want to be anymore." So I can hear that thought but I don't have to follow that thought. And so I get to say like, "Oh, yeah, that's old programming." And I'm going to just I need to sit in this that I'm, I'm feeling vague. today. I'm having an off day, I'm okay. What can I do? I could go walk. I could journal I could, you know, dieting is the first thing we go to when we're having a bad body image. Because it's a way we can control things. But it's also like when your life feels out of control when your kids when your relationship, we go to food because we don't want to look at all that other stuff. And so it's a really, it's a way for us, like I get back on track. I can control this, but we know, one, it's not sustainable. Cutting out entire food groups, in any kind of restriction leads to binging period. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is where also that obsession comes in. It's like if I tell you you can't have carbohydrates. Yeah, it might last, you know, I don't know, a few days, a few weeks. I don't know how to bake it yet. But it's, you know, it doesn't last we all do like, you know, if you're on a 21 days, or 30 days of something, what happens on day 31?Lesley Logan 23:21  Right? You just go party. (Lesley laughs)Jenny Schatzle 23:23  You just go party! Like literally, I was with a group of women. And this woman said, "Oh, we just did a clean eating challenge." First of all, food isn't dirty. Like we even that it's just these little things that we learn that's like, "Oh, yeah, like, when we labeled food clean, I'm gonna clean, I'm eating clean." It's good or bad, we're actually giving the power to food. (Lesley: Yeah) So it's up to us to take that back. Like, food is not in charge of my life. We and for so long food was in charge of my life. And that that's not what we should be living. So taking your power back by it's, it's not good or bad. It's just food. (Lesley: Totally) Right? So and we just, it's just food and like, yeah, you're gonna eat bread, you're gonna eat dessert. But when we give it the power is when the guilt and the shame come up. But I was just with a group of women. And the woman said, "Oh, we just did this 30 day clean, I feel great." And then her friend goes, "Oh, what do you do when it was over? And you go eat a burger and get drunk?" And it's like, "Oh, do you guys hear that?" Right? And it's not a judgement, but it's just like, "Oh, did you hear what you just said?" But again, that's how we lived for so long. So a huge part of changing the conversation is becoming aware of the conversation. And I think, you know, we've hit working out, we've hit food, but it's also like, how are we talking about those things not only with ourselves, but with our friends?Lesley Logan 24:37  Yep. Yeah, that's, that's really important. I think like you said awareness and I think that's exactly where people can start. Right? Like, if you're if once you become aware that you're having those thoughts that you're using it as control or you're you're labeling it. We have Lena Franklin on, she's amazing. She said she was doing this whole thing and she's like, "First become aware and then you become enlightened." And then I was like, "I'm so sorry, can you tell what enlightenment is? Because I don't have time to sit on a hill in India and meditate for my for a week." So she's like, she said, "Oh, no, once you're aware, you are, in fact enlightened." And I was like, "Oh, well, then I can get enlightened all day long. I can be aware all day long." And so I think that's like, you know, you said journaling. And I think a lot of times we you're right, we do want to, we don't want to actually deal with ourselves when actually, like, want to become aware of the thoughts, because then we have to actually do something about it. But journaling is a one way to just like, it's a very easy way to just like put the thoughts out, I do morning pages, and you don't have to read them, you can actually just write them and never read them again. And so I think even just like getting those things out, it allows the change to start happening because you're aware of the conversation in your own head.Jenny Schatzle 25:50  Part of that, like, I'm huge, you know, from my Instagram, I'm huge on journaling. I'm huge on like, five minutes, same thing. I do every morning. I don't read them, I you can do whatever you want with your notebooks. But here's also with women. Whenever I post about journaling, people always message and ask, "Well, what should I write about? How should I do it? Wait, where do you put your..." Like, it's the perfection like, (Lesley: Yeah) we all the you know, you talk a lot about this, it's action is what creates clarity. But for us, we paralyze, we are paralyzed, and we stop ourselves because we all want to do it right. And these are the rules have been following our whole lives. Like, you've got to eat this way, you have to work out this way. You have to here's your journal topic with your perfect punctuation. Like, when I write, there's no grammar. Sometimes you can't even read the ending. Like, it's literally, but we have to also get the point, get through the point of just doing it, like stop trying to do everything right. Just do it, just move, any movement is good movement, journaling is movement. Right? Like and that's about changing the conversation of stopping yourself and thinking, "What is the next thing I can do? That's going to help me move forward." So I love when you said, you know, it's awareness and enlightenment, I love that. So my I guess you could put my enlightenment is, and I just said it a couple minutes ago is, so you have awareness around this. Like, for instance, I always say this, too. This is sounds harsh, but when we judge other people's bodies, and we all know this, when we judge other people, you know, it's our own stuff. But only people with body issues, judge other people's bodies. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And that's just true. And so as somebody who has body issues, I can say that. And so when you're judging somebody else, whether it's their body, whether it's what they're wearing, whether it's what they're doing, because these things come up, we are humans, and we are going to judge, right. If somebody says, "Well, I don't judge." Yes, okay, this is what we do. But the enlightenment part is having awareness of all that thought comes up, and then stopping yourself and saying, because the first thought we, the first thought we think, is what has been ingrained in us. The second is who we want to be. So I catch myself when I'm judging someone else, or when I'm harshly judging myself. And I think, "Oh, there's that voice." And then I think, "Oh, yeah, that is not who I want to be. Like why is it my business? Why do I care what she's wearing? Why do I care what her buy? Oh, that's my stuff." Okay, move on. And so, like not getting guilt and shame around us judging other people or judging ourselves, but stopping ourselves instead and remind me, "Oh, yeah, that's old programming. That's not who I want to be. And that's not what I want to pass on to not only my children, but the other women around me," which is such a huge part of this. So again, I was a great example. I was with a woman this weekend. And this woman was she was randomly talking about her peloton and she loves it. And she's, like, "So good at it." And so she said, "I was talking to my friend, and my friend said, I don't think your bike is calibrated, right? Because you are like, you know, so good." And she goes, Well, "I'm, I'm a big lady. Like, I'm ..." And she's telling me this, and she uses the word "big." And I thought she was gonna say it's because she's so strong, right? And (Lesley: Right) she has it. She goes, "What I was telling her I was, I'm just a big lady. I'm just way bigger than you." And then wait, I didn't say anything. And we kind of continue the conversation. And then she, we started talking about like, things that people said to us when young, when we were younger, and she goes, "Yeah, you know, a lot of my body stuffs, ten stems from being called big." And so I stopped and I said, "Do you realize that when you were telling me the story about you on the Peloton, you kept saying you're a big woman." And she did not even realize she was calling herself big. (Lesley: Yeah) And I said, "I, I thought you were going to stay strong." So another part of this and I talked about this in my, my TED Talk is, and she brought this up. A lot of times we say things because we think people are thinking it about us. Right? So like if we've gained weight and we're going to be around friends and we're we're like afraid that they're gonna think we've gained weight. We might say it before anybody else does. (Lesley: Right) Because this to let them know, we know. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) She said that. She's like, "Well, I am a big woman and I know people think that about me. And so I want them to know that I know I'm big." And I stopped her right there. And I said, "When you were telling that story, I thought you were gonna say strong, because in my eyes, your strong ass woman, and so yeah, you probably do put in whatever you're doing." And she's like, "Oh." I said, "You said, 'they', I wasn't thinking that." (Lesley: Yeah) And so we, we, we already put in our minds what other people are thinking about our bodies. Which one, they might not be (Lesley: Right) and two, who cares if they are? Like, why are we, why are we living our lives based on what other people think of our bodies, and most of the time, those people aren't happy in their bodies.Lesley Logan 30:39  Right. And so we're all just like wandering around trying to make other people happy about our bodies, and they're so focused on their own unhappiness with their body, they're not even paying attention to you. (Lesley laughs) It is, (Jenny: Yes) it is like it is this in... And all of this is keeping us from doing anything that is actually purposeful on this planet, like we are (Jenny: Yeah) all here to do something like we wouldn't be made if we didn't have something to add to the, to the universe and to what's going on. And I just it's really frustrating. I love that you pointed out it was much earlier in the conversation we've had other people bring this up that we you know, we outsource the good and bad days, we outsource our worth when we get on a scale. And like the, the truth is, is that like, you can't like, it's like how do you, how can you like, actually tackle these amazing things that you want to do in life? And then you're like, "I'm gonna get on scale. I'm having a bad day. Can't do those things now." It's like so crazy to me. And if it hurts me and I and the perfectionist thing with the journaling, okay, so full disclosure, I was that girl with my therapist, April, March in March 2020. She's like, "You need a journal." I was like, "No problem. I got journals." So we come back the next thing I said, "Okay, so I'm so sorry." Is there like a prompt I'm supposed to be answering like, "What am I supposed to write? What like, what, what am I supposed to be writing on this page? Like, what do I do here?" And she's like, "Okay, you don't need to read the book Artist's Way because I'm just full permission guilt, just be a perfectionist about it. So just go write three pages and don't read them." And I was like, "Okay, so I have ..." And I, it's so funny because I'll you know, like, attracts like, so the person that I am the recovering perfectionist and overachiever, I attract all these people. And they're like, "Okay, so how do I journal?" And so I laugh because I'm like, "Yep, I know." It's like this thing we all want to be right. And we want to have the right body, which, who knows what that is. (Jenny: Yeah) And, and we want to journal correctly. And it's like, just write something and you don't have to be able to reread it. Like, people are like, "Oh, I saved my journal. So I can read them someday." And I'm like, "Really?" I don't think so. I think I just, it's okay. (Jenny: Yeah) It's gonna be fine if I don't remember what I wrote down last year. (Lesley laughs)Jenny Schatzle 32:42  I like to say too, um, because yeah, it's an if you like to keep a memory of it. Do it. If you don't, don't. And it's, it's truly like, the journaling part is truly about literally, I always say, like, throw up all your words on paper, like, release all the thoughts in your brain out. Like, it could be positive negative credit, like, just, it's a way to just release. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And yeah, but again, it's control. And this is what (Lesley: Yeah) we do as women.Lesley Logan 33:08  Yeah. And, uh, you know, in, but like, it's like a really great way to have this awesome conversation. If you're really trying to get aware of your thoughts. It is crazy if you just dream, right? If you just read it out. I, I was like, "Oh, I'm afraid of bah, bah, bah." I didn't even know that. Like, it wasn't even I mean, I'm obviously new it is in my brain, but like, I didn't actually have that awareness around it. So it is really, it is a really amazing thing. I wanted to talk about you have two TED Talks. So first of all, like, that's frickin amazing. And what, where they can find them on the TED, YouTube? Or I'll put them in the show notes. But like, are they out and about people can rewatch them?Jenny Schatzle 33:45  They are. Yes. Yeah. You just like Google, Jenny Schatzle TED Talk, and they both come up. And so yeah, it was it... Yes. And it's kind of all talking about this, and just changing the conversation. And so, you know, my, my whole purpose is just to help women feel good about themselves, (Lesley: Mm-hmm) and show up as their authentic self. Because when we do, we give permission to other women. And so it's like you so people always say, you know, I love to, your very, like, let's put this in action, because I'm also like, I am in the self help space. I am also an advocate of there's only so many books and and I like I read also, I go to the retreats, I do I continue to do the work because we all have to, but at some point, you do have to put it in action. And I met people they just continually like we've got to do and I'm all about easy, actionable things we can do every single day. And one of those things is show up in our authentic... as our authentic self, because it gives other people permission. And so let's start with like, okay, working out and what we wear so trying to heal our body. And again, I say all this stuff. It's it's a really hard process. You know, it's like, you don't just wake up one day and you're like, "I don't diet anymore and I frickin love my body. And my kids are gonna never have issues." Like, no. Alright, let's just start there. And so it's a daily process of unlearning. I like to say we need to learn and relearn. So you have to start questioning, like, "Who did teach me how to hate my body? Why do I feel so uncomfortable in my body? Where did I learn this? What is the messaging that I want to change for myself, so I do not pass this on." (Lesley: Yeah) So one thing is we have to start by, and I truly believe wearing the clothes that we never thought we could. So for years, I didn't wear shorts. And I didn't wear tube tops. Because the two things in my life, my dad always told me, I was built like a linebacker. So I have really broad shoulders and very strong legs. And but for years, I hated my shoulders, I hated my legs. And I never wore shorts. So it's like, even if you have to start wearing them around the house. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? If you don't want to wear a swimsuit, outside, start wearing it in your house. We have to start putting on the things that we told ourselves for so long, we couldn't wear. And even if it's got to start in your house, every time I feel slightly uncomfortable, I'm going to be honest, it's really empowering. I have to have that conversation with myself. Like, if I'm going to wear shorts, or you know, something that shows my stomach. And I'm like, "You know what, I'm going out into the world to show other women how to show up as themselves because I'm showing up as myself." (Lesley: Yeah) And that's where it needs like, I'm not showing up to look good for anybody else. This is empowering to me, because I need to show up as my authentic self and and love what I have. Because for a long time, I'm going to be honest, most of my life I didn't. (Lesley: Yeah) And the proof that when we look back, like I think we can all relate to this, we look back at pictures and think, "Oh my God, like I was so thin, or I was so this. And I didn't even realize that." Lesley Logan 36:51  Oh, totally. (Jenny: That's ...) That's crazy. I mean that's ... (Jenny: That's proof ...) That we weren't ... (Jenny: I'm sorry) but ... I'm so sorry. That you were not gonna be happy when you're leaner.Jenny Schatzle 37:00  Yes, well, that's just proof right there. That is, so when we look back at pictures of ourselves and think, "Oh, my God, it was so thin or I was so fat, or I was so this." I didn't even realize that's proof, it's not about the body. (Lesley: Right) That's it right there. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's, you know, that's one place to start.Lesley Logan 37:18  Well, I love your honesty there. And it's true. Like I you know, Facebook is really good at showing me pictures of 10 years ago, and I suffered from some crazy stomach like really bad, like, anytime I ate, I just was in pain, and no one could figure it out. (Jenny: Oh) But what ended up happening is I got thinner, right? Because when you, when you're barely eating, so your stomach doesn't hurt, you get thinner. And words of affirmation is my love language. So all of a sudden, I'm getting tons of compliments (Jenny: Yeah) because I lived in LA and I was at a high end gym. And so then people are coming to work out with me because like, "Oh, I want to look like you." And I'm like, "So I just want you to know like, I barely get to eat anything like this is not healthy." And but of course that gets in your head because then as soon as my stomach started feel better, I started to gain weight. Why? Because I'm eating nutrition like I'm absorbing food and getting calories in and the thoughts that went through my head were so ridiculous. The conversation I had like, "Oh my God, my clients are gonna leave me because I've gained 10 pounds." (Jenny: Yeah) Never mind that I'm not anorexic looking anymore. And that's probably looks better. So when I look at those pictures that come up, I'm like, "This is so sad. This is what so many people gave me compliments on, "This girl looks exhausted. She looks tired. She doesn't she looks weak, doesn't even look strong, you know." And like it was it was such an interesting turn of events of my life like I've had to because I build the more my stomach feels better, the more weight of gain, I actually really do like how I look, it is very different than I ever thought, it is a very different body than I ever had. But it's true. I wear crop tops now. I didn't wear them when I was 118 pounds. (Lesley laughs) I didn't (Jenny: Yeah) wear them. I was like, "Oh my God, I'm not like there's all like a role here." Like, no, I wear them now. And I'm like, "Whatever, it doesn't even matter." But I am I film videos and workout videos for a living. And when you do flexion things just roll over. And for whatever reason, it took me a long conversation myself, like you're just going to have the roll over your pants, and it's just going to show and people are going to be fine with it. And actually, it is one of the best fucking things that could ever happen because people feel safe in my thing. I had to have a conversation myself, I had to get over it. And some days I bad body days too. And I'm like, "wow, that's not what I thought that looked like." But but the truth (Jenny: Yeah) is, is that for most people, they're like, "Oh, thanks for showing a real body doing movement."Jenny Schatzle 39:34  And this conversation is changing, you know, and I want to acknowledge that both of us are in, you know, privileged and according to you know, the world privileged (Jenny: Yeah) leaner bodies. And (Lesley: Yeah) but I think no matter what size, keep women are struggling and (Lesley: Yeah) so in this conversation is changing. And so it's also up to us to change that conversation. So even as I say this but I mean it in the most loving way is like, we kind of kind of got to call each other out, but in a loving way, like not being mean, like, "Oh, you should say that" because that's I don't really that's how we learn. But really commenting on other people's bodies is really dangerous. You just said that. And it's, I mean, I have two little girls. Are you kidding? Of course, I'm gonna be like, "You're so cute. You're so be cute. Oh, my God." Like, I'm trying to even you know, change that conversation. And it's funny, like Gloria Simon says, you know, the truth will set you free, but first it's gonna piss you off. And even in the beginning, I'm like, "Ah, now I can't say people cute, like, what can I say?" But if you really think about it, when we compliment people on their bodies, I had the same situation with a friend, she had cancer and lost 30 pounds. And she came up to me and said, "I can't believe how many people tell me, I look great. I have cancer. Like, that's why I lost the weight." And the other thing to that is when we compliment our friends on their bodies, especially when we make such a huge deal, like, "Oh, my God, what are you doing? Oh, my God, you look so amazing." A lot of times that change isn't sustainable. Because change, a body change takes a long time for it to, you know, to sustain. And if you lose a lot of weight, very quickly, it's not sustainable. So one, you're getting all this praise for looking so good, which a lot of time it's taking you out of your life to make this happen. But chances are, you're gonna gain that weight back. And when you do as the person who was complimented now the stories in your head about next time, you have to go out and see your friends. And if you've put on any weight, you are finding anything to wear, you're depressed, you're sad, you're frustrated, you're all up in your head, because all you're thinking is, "I put on weight. Now they're gonna see me differently there." And so, taking that just like when you see your friends, instead of commenting on their body, even if they've lost weight, start by being like, "You know what, I really love being around you. You know what? Your energy is radiant today. You know what that outfit is powerful." Like just like really authentic things that we mean instead of making it like telling somebody talk about words of affirmation, telling somebody that you missed them and love them and are just in happiness to be around them. That's a better compliment than "Man, you look thin."Lesley Logan 42:13  Yeah, that is, oh my gosh, Jenny, I could talk to you for hours. I really want to but (Lesley laughs) but (Jenny: I feel the same way. I love you so much.) I know. Okay, where can they find you, follow you, watch your reels, your lives? I'm not gonna lie. You're one with the covered about the women with the filters and the makeup. I watched that three times and showed my husband and and the one with your with your girls were like they had put markers on their face. I was like ... (Jenny: Oh, that was a good one.) That was amazing on (Jenny: That was a good one.) photo day. (Jenny: Yeah) Like, you know what? This woman is walking the truth right here. So where can, where can they hang out with you, find you and all the things?Jenny Schatzle 42:50  I love it. I'm on Instagram and Facebook, I'll be on and YouTube. But I will be honest, I'm mostly on Instagram. I have like dipped my toe in Tik Tok but I'm also 42 and I'm like, you know, there's only so much social media I can do. So come to Instagram. And I you know, it is authentically me. I very much posting about real and raw. It's a lot of mom life. It's a lot of conversations around body image, but also confidence within women and movement. So I would love for everyone to join me over there. And I do answer my messages. So message me, message me any questions, or (Lesley: Yeah) anything that you want to talk about.Lesley Logan 43:25  And it's just @jennyschatzle on Instagram, right? Just... (Jenny: Yes) Yeah. (Jenny: Yeah. Thank you.) Alright, so bold, executable, targeted or intrinsic. You gave us so many. If you were listening, I got you can, you know, go to our show notes. And you can literally highlight half of there's like a ton of BE IT once. But what are a few, what are a few that you have that people could do to change the conversation with themselves so that they can actually like do their frickin life?Jenny Schatzle 43:50  I love it. All right, my easy, actionable takeaways. So many things. All right. So we did talk a lot about this, but I'm going to add one more. So one, I would love for everyone to really start changing the conversation around food and themselves. So having the awareness of when it comes up, of when you want to call yourself fat or big or need to get back on it or change that conversation. Be a little gentler with yourself and just realize that that conversation isn't helping you. Second, the food thing, just really realizing how much you label food, good or bad, healthy, not healthy. You know, clean eating. I mean dirty eating is I want to like not even a thing. Just really try to I'm gonna and this is really hard. Kind to stop talking about food too much. And this is again going to sound harsh, but we are smart, strong, powerful women. We should not be sitting around talking about how much we ate and how much we hate our bodies. We want to see that the table. We've got to change the conversation, pull up the chair and make our presence known and we have more important things to talk about than the burrito, and that our pants don't fit. And so when we change that conversation, we take our power back. And not only do we take our power back, we show other women how to do it. And that's the conversation and the cycle we pass on. So in order to break the cycle, we have to be aware of what we're saying, not blame ourselves for it, but choose a different path. So when that awareness comes up, you can decide, "Am I going to continue that conversation? Or am I going to start a new one?" And our last thing is, I am going to invite our friends to journal, without, I call it free writing, you know, you call it more morning pages, whatever we want to call it, but there's no grammar, there's no time, you could literally write one page and walk away from it. Um, and along with that is kind of talking about changing the conversation. Give that voice in your head, I think I say this pretty much on every podcast. But this is also how we realize when old programming is coming up. Do me a favor and give that negative voice in your head a name. And so you make it like a almost like a person. So when that voice for me comes up, that's like, "Oh, Jenny, you know, you're getting, your thighs are looking big. And you probably shouldn't wear those shorts. And maybe you should cut back on the food." And I'm like, "Oh, not today, Tiffany. Not today." Alright, so I give ... and I'm like, "Tiffany, wo... No, I, yeah, I hear you." And I want to remind people, I don't think that I don't think that negative self. And that negative talk ever 100% goes away. But the stronger you get in your healthy self and your healthy voice, that voice gets louder, and it's able to recognize Tiffany and be like, "Oh, yeah, Tiffany, I hear you. That's not what we're choosing today." And so name that voice, and be able to clarify that Tiffany is not Jenny in 2022.Lesley Logan 46:59  Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I fucking love you so much, Jenny. (Jenny laughs) (Jenny: I love you too.) Yeah, I love you. So everyone how, you got to tell us how you're going to use these tips in your life. You're going to tell us who you named your your voice in your head that is giving you all that old programming by screenshotting this podcast, tagging @jennyschatzle and the @be_it_pod on Instagram and let us know. Alright, until next time, Be It Till You See It.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 47:59  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 48:10  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 48:15  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 48:23  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.Brad Crowell 48:35  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week we have your favorite, the TAGYST "Resident Hype Girl", Jenny Schatzle back with us. This episode is PACKED with juicy nuggets surrounding relationships, communication, taking time for yourself as a parent, asking for what you need, boundaries and some amazing tips for elevating your stressful holiday season and starting your own traditions. Jenny also shares her powerful tool that can help breakdown barriers in relationships so you both can get more of what you need in order to thrive. If you haven't already be sure to pick up Jenny's book Breaking The Cycle and follow her on IG @jennyschatzle Of course follow us in IG @tagyst_podcast Notable mentions from the episode: The 5 Love Languages Test

Part 2 of out juicy interview with Jenny. We are talking body image, boundaries, sobriety and people pleasing. We are so grateful Jenny, her message and her bravery to set the example of what it means to show up authentically in today's world. Follow her on IG @jennyschatzle Get your copy of Jenny's book, Breaking The Cycle www.tagyst.com IG:@tagyst_podcast

Body image, boundaries, sobriety, people pleasing...we discuss it all in this two-part, high-energy series with the inspiring Jenny Schatzle. We are so grateful her, her message and her bravery to in setting the example of what it means to show up authentically in today's world. Follow her on IG @jennyschatzle Get your copy of Jenny's book, Breaking The Cycle www.tagyst.com IG:@tagyst_podcast

If you've ever felt stuck in a toxic, unhealthy cycle, then this episode is for you. I'm chatting with Jenny Schatzle, author of Breaking the Cycle. From self-sabotage, lack of boundaries, making excuses for ourselves, and how we can get out of our own way, we discuss what it takes to truly build the life you deserve.

Join in on #changingtheconversation as we discuss diet culture and the struggle Jenny went through with breaking the cycle of negative self-talk about food and body image. Follow Jenny for 5-Minute movements, Self-care Sunday tips and much more!! Instagram: https://instagram.com/jennyschatzle?utm_medium=copy_link Book link: Breaking the Cycle: Free Yourself from the Story that's Holding You Back https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1641842091/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_T1K7V1K249PE716SJJDX

WOW o WOW. Perhaps one of my deepest & most impactful episodes to date, literally. Jenny Schatzle is someone who attended my 3.5 Day Mentorship program in October 2012. Little did I know then that she was battling many challenges, including alcoholism, when she was at the Mentorship.    In today’s episode, we talk about: How Jenny hit rock-bottom 4x and how she ultimately got up. How she overcame her “Daddy issues” and what she does now as a Mom to model good parenting. New levels - new devils. How you can “break the cycles” of food issues, body issues, addiction, self-sabotaging, and self-worth issues to become a strong, confident, successful, purpose-driven purpose. Top lessons she’s learned on her path, including her routine now, not to feel overwhelmed. Jenny’s goal to “impact” 1-million women in her lifetime.   This one was special. This one is a MUST-LISTEN and MUST-SHARE episode. Please share it with your friends, family, colleagues to help spread the word. And please share it on your social media and tag us.   Social Media: IG: @ToddDurkin @jennyschatzle FB: @ToddDurkinFQ10 #BreakingTheCycle   ---   More on the episode: 1:03 - A Look Inside Breaking The Cycle 2:02 - The Movement of How We See Ourselves 4:45 - What Jenny Does Now for a Living to Change LivesHelping people change the conversation 7:18 - Rewire the BrainChange from the inside out. Love, Respect, and Accept your body. 11:33 - Jenny’s StoryAcknowledging the problem. 10-11-2012 Todd Durkin 3.5 Day Mentorship...everything changed.  “To be a leader, you must be the example.” 18:30 - Breaking The CycleAfter 4x’s of hitting rock bottom! 24:08 - The moment that changed my life at 6 years old.You can’t get something from someone who doesn’t have it themselves. 30:15 - Real talk from Jenny’s JournalIf people don’t like you for who you are, it’s their loss. 34:25 - Kathy Ireland, a Special Gift, friendship. Your past does not have to be your life sentence. 38:50 - Life today for Jenny SchatzleReach 1 million women nationwide! 40:48 - Lessons Learned   Take risks - invest in yourself. If you want to change the conversation with others, you must change it with yourself.   45:25 - Jenny’s Meditation SecretsFreewriting - release your thoughts and have a plan but have grace with yourself.   ---   About Jenny Schatzle:  Jenny Schatzle’s passion is to change the conversation on body image, self-worth, and the power of movement. Her ambition is teaching women to live the life they want, not the life they think they should. She is an author, mother of twins, speaker, and business owner.  Her newest book, Breaking the cycle helps you get to the root of toxic cycles holding you back. Through tools, conversation, and mindset Jenny helps you create solutions that will change your life forever.    Motivational, authentic and relatable Jenny is a highly sought-after speaker and guide for women who want to make lasting change and impact in their own lives. She has been featured in dozens of media outlets worldwide and has two TEDx talks that had audiences on their feet.  Jenny believes her true purpose in life is to help women feel good about themselves and empower everyone to change the conversation.   Follow Jenny: @jennyschatzle Get Jenny’s Book:  Breaking The Cycle   ---   Please keep your questions coming so I can highlight you on the podcast!!   If you have a burning question and want to be featured on the IMPACT show, go to www.todddurkin.com/podcast, fill out the form, and submit your questions!    ---   Are you a Trainer, Coach, or Fitness Business Owner seeking to make even more IMPACT.   Are you ready for massive success? Are you ready to be motivated to a level that can finally propel you to achieve what you want/desire? Do you want and need more accountability to help expedite your results?   If so, I want to personally coach you and help you reach your goals and fulfill your dreams. I want to help you IMPACT more people in your community and more people globally. I believe that all people have a life worth telling a story about. And I want to help YOU craft up your best business and life and live your deepest purpose.   The program is called the Todd Durkin Mastermind Group and for the past 13 years, I have been leading and coaching some of the hungriest, most passionate fit-pros on the planet. And now I want to help YOU!   To learn more or enroll, simply visit: www.ToddDurkinMastermind.com.   ---   Follow Todd… → Instagram & Twitter: @ToddDurkin → Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ToddDurkinFQ10 → FB: @ToddDurkinFQ10   Don't forget that if you want more keys to unlock your potential and propel your success, you can order my book GET YOUR MIND RIGHT at www.todddurkin.com/getyourmindright or anywhere books are sold.   Get Your Mind Right now available on audio: https://christianaudio.com/get-your-mind-right-todd-durkin-audiobook-download   ---   ABOUT: Todd Durkin is one of the leading coaches, trainers, and motivators in the world. It’s no secret why some of the world’s top athletes have trained with him for nearly two decades. He’s a best-selling author, a motivational speaker, and owns the legendary Fitness Quest 10 in San Diego, CA, where he leads an amazing team of 42 teammates.   Todd is a coach on the Netflix show “STRONG” that is must-watch TV. He is a previous Jack LaLanne Award winner, a 2-time Trainer of the Year, and he runs his Todd Durkin Mastermind group of top trainers and fitness pros around the globe, coaching them with business, leadership, marketing, training, and personal growth mentorship.   Todd and his wife Melanie head up the Durkin IMPACT Foundation (501-c-3) that has raised over $250,000 since it started in 2013. 100% of all proceeds go back to kids and families in need. To learn more about Todd, visit www.ToddDurkin.com and www.FitnessQuest10.com.   Join his fire-breathing dragons’ community and receive regular motivational and inspirational emails. Visit www.ToddDurkin.com and opt-in to receive his value-rich content.   Connect with Todd online in the following places: You can listen to Todd’s podcast, The IMPACT Show, by going to www.todddurkin.com/podcast.

I had the privilege of having an hour plus long chat with the amazing human that is Jenny Schatzel. She is an author, speaker, biz owner, fitness instructor, and mother of twins, to name just a few of the hats she wears.She battled alcoholism, binge eating and suffered from “not-enoughness” for decades of her life until she decided to "change the conversation" with herself. She has now made it her mission to help other women change the conversation about their bodies, self-worth, and movement.She recently released her book titled "Breaking The Cycle- Free Yourself from the Story That's Holding You Back", which I highly suggest you purchase!"As a wellness and lifestyle guide who helps people feel good about themselves, Jenny Schatzle doesn’t change bodies, she changes lives. Her passion is empowering people to accept themselves, respect themselves, and love themselves in every aspect of their lives. Jenny has created a movement that challenges the way people see themselves. Her program is as much about health and wellness as it is about positivity, self-love, and letting go of the behaviors and negative thinking that stop us and limit our success."Enjoy this week's episode as we have a very honest and open conversation about the double life she lead with food and booze in the past, the diet industry, the fitness industry, juggling life as a mom and so much more!Jenny is a powerhouse that you need in your life and on your side. Be sure to follow Jenny on Instagram HEREYou can read more about Jenny and purchase her book HEREYou can also get her book on Amazon HEREBe sure to connect with me on Instagram HERE

Today Kim and Jeannine interview Jenny Schatzle, a fitness instructor and studio owner, published author, two time Ted talk speaker, mother of three year old twins and alcoholic in recovery. This episode evolves into a conversation beyond recovery, and gets into the exhausting cycle of binge eating and dieting - a cycle that often plagues those newly in recovery, and many non-addict/alcoholics as well. To connect with Jeannine: Instagram @jeanninecoulter @studiocybrid or @chasingheroine https://www.studiocybrid.com/ https://www.chasingheroine.com/ To connect with our guest, Jenny Schatzle Instagram @jennyschatzle

Grab your copy of Breaking the Cycle - click HERE to get it now. Ladies! You’re going to want to jump to your feet to celebrate after this one! Jenny Schatzle doesn’t change bodies, she changes lives! She is a wellness and lifestyle guide who helps people feel good about themselves. Her platform is about changing the conversation on self-worth, body image and life perspective. She has created the hugely successful life-changing Jenny Schatzle Program. Her passion is empowering people to accept themselves, respect themselves and love themselves in every aspect of their lives. Through movement, media and online programs, she’s driving a new era of change with fitness, body image and self-worth. Jenny helps people change the conversation about who they are, what they can do and all they can be. Jenny's IG Page: @jennyschatzle Jenny's TEDx Talks: The Only Opinion That Really Matters Rewiring How You Look At Yourself

In this episode, I sit down with fitness professional and author, Jenny Schatzle. Jenny owns Bond Fitness in Santa Barbara, a boutique fitness studio that is frequented by those not just wanting to change their bodies, but more so, their lives. Jenny is all about changing the conversation around our bodies, and she just released her first book, Breaking the Cycle: Free Yourself From the Story That's Holding You Back, available wherever books are sold. The book is a compilation of exercises designed to help readers identify the reasons behind their toxic anchors so they can free themselves to live their best lives. In this episode, we dive deeper into the concepts in the book and discuss Jenny's own experience with disordered eating, her body, giving birth to twins, being a mother and a business owner, and more.For full show notes, visit www.themomfeed.comLike this episode? There are a few ways to show your love! First, please subscribe to The Mom Feed so you never miss an episode. Second, screenshot this episode, tag me on Instagram (@Themomfeedpodcast), and third, leave a review! Every month I pick a lucky winner to win a special gift as a token of my gratitude for leaving a review. Simply take a screenshot of the review and email it to me at lauren@themomfeed.com and I'll enter you into the drawing!If you want to get more involved and dive deeper into these and other topics about becoming a mother, be sure to join our private Facebook Group, The Mom Feed Podcast. There is where our community really comes to life, and the support system you need awaits.Enjoy!

If you're looking for that person to light the fire you need to get your life back on track, look no further. From mom life to fitness, TedX Speaker, business owner, and author Jenny Shatzle is both relatable and empowering. Throughout the conversation, we discuss her newest book, Breaking The Cycle, and how we are all fully capable of creating the life we want to live. From recognizing self-sabotaging habits, negative self-talk and finding the root of our issues, get ready to shift the conversation with yourself, and learn how to make your life your own. For more information and to order her new book, you can visit her website at.jennyschatzle.com/.

Jenny Schatzle’s passion is to change the conversation on body image, self worth and the power of movement. She is an author, mother of twins, speaker and business owner.  Her new book, Breaking the cycle helps you get to the root of toxic cycles holding you back! We talk about:how she got into the fitness world and how she find her place as an instructorthe value of tough love and not surrounding yourself with YES peoplemaking the best investment – in herselfhaving to get real with the root of the stories that hold us backher mission to change the conversation the reality on our first thoughts (judgments) and what we choose nextkicking out gossiping and tearing other women down instead of bonding over talking about othersnaming the voice in your head so you can separate yourself from it and call it out easierlosing weight is not a cure for self-worthher set a timer method for getting shit done And so much more!  Motivational, authentic and relatable Jenny is a highly sought after speaker and guide for women who want to make lasting change and impact in their own lives. She has been featured in dozens of media outlets worldwide and has two TEDx talks that had audiences on their feet.  Jenny believes her true purpose in life is to help women feel good about themselves and empower everyone to change the conversation.  You can find full show notes and links to things we mention at https://yourjoyologist.com/podcast-jenny-schatzle You can find Jenny @jennyschatzle and www.jennyschatzle.com and get her book! For all things me go to https://yourjoyologist.com and @yourjoyologist on Instagram/Twitter/Facebook Go get + gift my daily inspiration app OWN YOUR AWESOME and check out my product line here! And check out my 31 day program for $33 at https://yourjoyologist.com/connected/

Ladies!  You’re going to want to jump to your feet to celebrate after this one! Jenny Schatzle doesn’t change bodies, she changes lives! She is a wellness and lifestyle guide who helps people feel good about themselves. Her platform is about changing the conversation on self-worth, body image and life perspective. She has created the hugely successful life-changing Jenny Schatzle Program. Her passion is empowering people to accept themselves, respect themselves and love themselves in every aspect of their lives. Through movement, media and online programs, she’s driving a new era of change with fitness, body image and self-worth. Jenny helps people change the conversation about who they are, what they can do and all they can be. Jenny's IG Page: @jennyschatzle Jenny's TEDx Talks:  The Only Opinion That Really Matters Rewiring How You Look At Yourself 

In this episode, Ragan Thomson invites fitness trainer and founder of Bond Fitness (formerly "The Jenny Schatzle Program") Jenny Schatzle to discuss how self-love, acceptance, and change improved their lives for the best. Recognizing that you have an issue is the first step to make a change in your life. Once you see and admit you have a problem, you can work on it internally in order to develop your external reality. Tune-in to enjoy this compelling conversation about the power of change!

Today on Radio Ignite Live - Thinktank Thursday... Today, we will discuss raising prices in a new year and dieting that doesn't work. Raising Prices From our experience, many bookkeeping professionals and tax preparers are under-charging for their services. We help them change that (Get the Book "Pricing Your Practice, see below) by increasing their prices over time and adding new services and new clients at a new, higher rate. They are often surprised by the positive results. We'll talk about it today and answer your questions. Dieting That Doesn't Work Eating healthy doesn't mean we have to eliminate all the fun. We can be smart, eat well, and enjoy life. Exercise is the key. Yesterday I bought new hockey skates so I can go to Sticktime with my kids. Not only will I get to spend more time with them, I'll be in the best shape ever soon. Then I'll eat a pizza and a beer! We spend so much time worried about dieting and weighing ourselves and our children are watching. A friend and superstar physical trainer, motivator and Jenny Schatzle of Bond Fitness wrote on Instagram this morning: "A lot of our food issues started when we were young in our own homes. We want better for our own children, we would never want them to talk about their bodies the way we do. Or have them struggle obsessing about food, constantly dieting, chasing a body or weight or look that ultimately is never enough yet we still aren’t willing to change the conversation for ourselves. ⠀⠀ We want different for our children yet we still have the scale in the bathroom. We still do the diet telling ourselves this time it’s going to work. We still base our happiness and success on weight loss and body type. ⠀⠀ They are watching just like you were. They see you, they hear they way you talk about your body, your food and they are creating their own self worth based off yours. ⠀⠀ How about this year our number one goal is to change the conversation for ourselves because we can’t change it for them if we don’t change it for us first. #DietsDontWork #ToxicCycle #BreakTheCycle #BeTheExample" Learn more about Bond Fitness (new site coming soon) and Jenny at https://www.jennyschatzle.com/. You can tune it at either school: https://schoolofbookkeeping.com/radio/ https://schooloftaxes.com/radio/

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Twin mom and motivational powerhouse Jenny Schatzle gets vulnerable about her transition to motherhood, her role as a leader and entrepreneur, and the tricky business of staying authentic AND positive online when you're a public persona. The post Changing The Conversation With Jenny Schatzle: Voices 30 appeared first on The Mom Hour.

We all say we want something specific, but are we actively participating in being that or taking steps to accomplishing what it is we want to achieve? Today I am talking to Jenny Schatzle, who is creating a movement where weight loss and a healthy lifestyle are not just about losing weight, but about empowerment and fun. She believes you need to stop apologizing for who you are. Stop looking to others for answers. Choose you, because you matter! Find her at www.jennyschatzle.com and us @coffeeandconverationpodcast or www.hatchedcollective.co

Please leave a review at http://openskyfitness.com/review   Start to Improve Your Health Today   "Just know that you're doing the best that you can and be kind to yourself. Especially with unpredictable stresses, they can be really debilitating. emotionally and physically." - Devon Dionne   On today's episode of the Open Sky Fitness podcast, we'll be discussing how to navigate yourself through stressful times and how important it is to not be a victim or your situation and take control of your situation. In everyday life, we may face predictable and unpredictable stresses that can throw us off course to living a healthy lifestyle. Listen and learn about our favorite tools that not only help other people, but Devon and I as well get back on track with our health.   Predictable vs. Unpredictable Stresses   "Stress is a state of mental or emotional strain or tension resulting from an adverse or very demanding circumstance." - Devon Dionne   Predictable stress is when you know something is coming up in the future and you can start planning ahead now as far as eating healthy, getting enough sleep, and fitting in some exercise: Vacations Business trips Family reunions Parties Holidays Unpredictable stress occurs when you least expect it and you probably didn't plan for it: Accidents, Injury A death A breakup or divorce Losing your job A Natural disaster   Rob & Devon's Best Tips to Regain Focus on Your Health   "Getting mad at yourself only creates more emotional stress. You're just human and its normal that different stresses will come up. Don't try to be a super hero and just forgive yourself for getting off track. " - Rob and Devon Dionne   When you don't plan ahead or the unexpected actually happens, follow these initial steps to focus back on your life, health, and wellness: Accept that you're off track and forgive yourself. Get a piece of paper and write down a list of healthy habits that you want that are out of integrity. Base and create your list off of the 4 Pillars of Integrity: Fitness, Nutrition, Community, Lifestyle Devon's Routine to Get Back on Track Everyone has different goals and methods for helping them get back on track with their health. For Devon, the following steps help: Drink tons of water and eat lots of vegetables. Cut out sugar completely and eat more potatoes, squashes, and other starchy vegetables to give her back her energy. Drink half the amount of caffeine and try to switch to green tea rather than completely cutting out caffeine. Fit in 1-2 days a week to workout so that it becomes an easy habit to add back to her routine. Outsource Help to Make Your Goals Happen   If you live with another person or have a family, talk to them about your healthy lifestyle goals and ask them to help you make them happen. For example, if your family tends to have a lot of sweet and salty processed foods around the house, kindly ask them to eat them outside of the house to help you not feel tempted to break your goals. To make your life even more stress-free, turn to and hire other people to help you: House cleaners Personal trainers Bookkeepers Personal Assistant Life Coach Nutritionist The list goes on and on as far as the amount of people that are out there who can help you really tackle the problems you want to solve. You might be thinking to yourself, "Okay, but it's super expensive for me to hire someone like a professional cleaner." Rather than thinking about the money, you can always see it as a way to win back the time you would have lost if you had ton all of those task on your own.   Thursday Night Live Q & A Sessions with Rob and Devon Each Thursday night at 7pm PST via the closed Open Sky Fitness Facebook Group , Devon and I will be online to answer an questions you may have about health, wellness, fitness, nutrition, lifestyle etc. Ask us anything!     Get Your Own Open Sky Fitness Apparel! For a limited time, Devon and I will be taking orders for Open Sky Fitness apparel in our online OSF Store. We have sweatshirts, tanks, and T-shirts for men and women. Get yours today!       Start Building Your Own Workouts and Meal Plan! Download Results Tracker here! Click To Download Home Workout Templates or text the word, "lifting," to 33444 to download the templates.  Download the OSF Food Journal Now! Have a Question or Review for Rob or Devon? We love answering questions and getting feedback from you, our listener! If you have any questions to ask us, want to share a review of the show, or tell us any suggestions for guests/topics that you think would be great to have on the show, just email Rob at rob@openskyfitness.com or Devon at devon@openskyfitness.com or you can also leave us a review at www.openskyfitness.com/review, ask a question in the closed Open Sky Fitness Facebook Group and even text OSFreview to 33444 to get the link.   What You'll Hear on This Episode 00:00 Open Sky Fitness Introduction 1:15  Opening comments with Rob and Devon 2:10  Don't forget to buy some Open Sky Fitness apparel this week! 4:00  Open Sky Fitness Q& A: Thursday nights 7pm PST via the closed Open Sky Fitness Facebook group 7:00  Questions from the OSF Facebook group: How can you respond to people who tell you, "Oh you're so lucky to have a fast metabolism." But the reality is that you work hard to have a healthy lifestyle through food and exercise. 10:50  OSF Facebook group question: Will doing both cardio and weight lifting in the same session oppose each other? 13:50  OSF Facebook group question: "My biceps are lopsided. Is this normal? Should I be working one harder than the other to even them out?" 18:00  How do you get your health back on track? Is it better to jump right in to it or start slowly? 20:00 How Devon gets back on track with her health. 26:00  What is stress and how does it affect out lives? How can we take control of it? 27:40  The two different types of stress: predictable and unpredictable stress. 31:40 Steps to regain control of your stress and get back on track 40:30  What to do if it's difficult to schedule and fit in healthy changes? 45:00  How to navigate future predictable stress. 49:00  How to stay healthy during vacation, traveling, or over the holidays. 54:00  Navigating unpredictable stresses in life. 58:00  Don't be afraid to ask for help in your mission to get healthy. 1:02:10 Closing comments with Rob and Devon 1:03:15 Open Sky Fitness Closing   RESOURCES MENTIONED DURING THE SHOW: Leave us an iTunes review Join the The Open Sky Fitness Podcast Group on Facebook Contact Rob for One-On-One Coaching Sessions Learn more about our upcoming guest, Dr. David Perlmutter Check out OSF Episode 72 with Jenny Schatzle: 10 Holiday Tips for Staying Healthy To Download Rob’s FREE workout templates click below** Download Templates Ask Rob a Question or tell him what is working for you: Email Rob@OpenSkyFitness.com To leave a Review for Rob and the Open Sky Fitness Podcast CLICK NOW!  Ratings and reviews are extremely helpful and greatly appreciated! They do matter in the rankings of the show and I read each and every one of them. Contact our amazing sound engineer Ryan? Send him an e-mail here: info@stellarsoundsstudio.com Thanks for Listening! Thanks so much for joining us again this week. Have some feedback you’d like to share? Leave a note in the comment section below! If you enjoyed this episode, please share it using the social media buttons you see at the bottom of the post. Do you have any questions (and would like to hear yourself on the Open Sky Fitness Podcast)? Click on the link on the right side of any page on our website that says “Send Voicemail.” And finally, don’t forget to subscribe to the show on iTunes to get automatic updates. It’s free! Thanks for listening/reading Episode 149: Getting Back on Track with Your Health! We hope you have gained more knowledge on how to be a healthier you.

Jenny Schatzle from the Jenny Schatzle Program reminds us that we are in the Holiday Season and we need to deal with it. The all or nothing mentality doesn’t work. We need to take the pressure off and be healthy while still having fun. From her studio in Santa Barbara, Jenny is starting a global Movement that changes the way people see themselves. The program focuses on fitness and nutrition as a base, but also looks at the community you create and the behavior that stops you and holds you back. At the Jenny Schatzle Program, the weight loss is the bonus, the life change is the promise. Jenny moved out to Santa Barbara as a student and signed up at Golds Gym to workout. After being the loudest and most dedicated attendant in the group fitness classes, the owner offered to teach Jenny how to run classes. She then realized she wasn’t walking the walk she was teaching and created the Jenny Schatzle Program that helped her to get back to feeling whole. The program teaches people how to love who they see in the mirror and find a deep internal happiness that is not wavered by the actions of others.13 Holiday Tips for Staying Healthy 1. Know your triggers-If food is your trigger, step away from the food table. Grab one plate of food and take it on the other side of the room to have your conversation. 2. Plate Order-First plate, vegetables and greens-Second plate protein-Third plate can be your starches and foods you want to try out. 3. Wait 20 Minutes before Having Seconds-Set a timer 4. A Glass of Water and Food first.-Alcohol lowers our inhibition. Ounce you are buzzed choicesare compromised. Drink some water and eat food first. 5. Go for Low Calorie Drinks-Create a Mocktail. Bubbly water and a splash of cranberrywith a lime.-If you are going to drink wine, stick to one glass.-Go for red wine over the sugary whites-Instead of a margarita, have tequila and lime juice. 6. Adult Peer Pressure is Real!-We tend to take health advice from unhealthy people to makethem happy-Don’t take advice from someone who doesn’t care if you arehealthy. 7. Be Present While Eating-How will the food I’m shoving in my mouth make me feel?-Do I feel hungover just from what I ate? Make better choicesnext time. 8. Don’t Eat Your Stress-Visiting family can be stressful. Look for positive outletslike working out versus indulging in unhealthy foods-Don’t add the guilt and shame from eating unconsciously toyour stress 9. Treat Yourself and Lower Stress-You deserve to spend some time and money on yourself to lower stress-Get a gym membership-Treat yourself to a massage 10. Start the day with a 10 Minute Workout-You will be less likely to eat crap-You will start your day feeling accomplished 11. Put Yourself First-It’s not selfish. When you are at your best, others benefit.-People aren’t going to like you more/less the more you do forthem. 12. Embrace Your Health-Being healthy is a gift, not a punishment.-Where you put your focus will become your focus.-If you focus on hating your workouts, you will hate theworkouts-If you focus on being kind to yourself and you will feelloved. 13. Focus on the I AM Conversation… I AM__________________.-Start the day with 5 positive I AM’s (Examples below)-I AM STRONG-I AM BEAUTIFUL-I AM SMART-I AM HEALTHY-I AM FIT If you are in Santa Barbara, stop by and take a class at the Jenny Schatlze Program, on the house. Just mention the Open Sky Fitness Podcast! Rob and Ryan’s Quick Holiday Workout Tips1. Don’t put off tomorrow what you can do today.2. Make your workout a priority.3. Find an accountability partner so your workout becomes apriority4. Plan on a workout to help you have an excuse to leave the partya little early.5. Ryan thinks Dance Revolution is a great way to get the entirefamily moving after a meal.6. Rob Challenges you to take the entire holiday party out for awalk. LINKS AND RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Find Jenny at: Facebook: Facebook.com/jennyschatzleprogramInstagram: Instagram.com/JennySchatzleTwitter. Twitter.com/JennySchatzleWebsite: JennySchatzle.com   Leave a review for Rob and the Open Sky Fitness Podcast, text OSFreview to 33444 To leave a review for Rob and the Open Sky Fitness Podcast click NOW! Want to contact our amazing sound engineer Ryan? Send him an e-mail here: RyanTX2LA@gmail.com Thanks for Listening!Thanks so much for joining us again this week. Have some feedback you’d like to share? Leave a note in the comment section below! If you enjoyed this episode, please share it using the social media buttons you see at the bottom of the post. Also if you are interested in getting some free Naked Infusions Salsa, T-shirts or tote bags please leave an honest review for The Open Sky Fitness Podcast on iTunes! Ratings and reviews are extremely helpful and greatly appreciated! 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