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New research from Microsoft provides a glimpse of the near-term future of marketing agency life, including AI bosses, agentic employees, and new organizational charts. And, if you're a small agency, this might be your time to shine! Mark Schaefer and Andy Crestodina riff on the implications of te AI-first agency in this new episode of The Marketing Companion.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the crucial difference between ‘no-code AI solutions’ and ‘no work’ when using AI tools. You’ll grasp why seeking easy no-code solutions often leads to mediocre AI outcomes. You’ll learn the vital role critical thinking plays in getting powerful results from generative AI. You’ll discover actionable techniques, like using frameworks and better questions, to guide AI. You’ll understand how investing thought upfront transforms AI from a simple tool into a strategic partner. Watch the full episode to elevate your AI strategy! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-no-code-ai-tools-sdlc.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In Ear Insights, I have a bone to pick with a lot of people in marketing around AI and AI tools. And my bone to pick is this, Katie. There isn’t a day that goes by either in Slack or mostly on LinkedIn when some person is saying, “Oh, we need a no code tool for this.” “How do I use AI in a no code tool to evaluate real estate proposals?” And the thing is, when I read what they’re trying to do, they seem to have this idea that no code equals no work. That it’s somehow magically just going to do the thing. And I can understand the past tense aversion to coding because it’s a very difficult thing to do. Christopher S. Penn – 00:49 But in today’s world with generative AI, coding is as straightforward as not coding in terms of the ability to make stuff. Because generative AI can do both, and they both have very strong prerequisites, which is you gotta think things through. It’s not no work. Neither case is it no work. Have you seen this also on the various places we hang out? Katie Robbert – 01:15 Well, first, welcome to the club. How well do your ranty pants fit? Because that’s what you are wearing today. Maybe you’re in the ranty shirt club. I don’t know. It’s… I think we were talking about this last week because I was asking—and I wasn’t asking from a ‘I don’t want to do the work’ standpoint, but I was asking from a ‘I’m not a coder, I don’t want to deal with code, but I’m willing to do the work’ standpoint. And you showed me a system like Google Colab that you can go into, you can tell it what you want to do, and you can watch it build the code. It can either keep it within the system or you can copy the code and put it elsewhere. And that’s true of pretty much any generative AI system. Katie Robbert – 02:04 You can say, “I want you to build code for me to be able to do X.” Now, the reason, at least from my standpoint, why people don’t want to do the code is because they don’t know what the code says or what it’s supposed to do. Therefore, they’re like, “Let me just avoid that altogether because I don’t know if it’s going to be right.” The stuff that they’re missing—and this is something that I said on the Doodle webinar that I did with Andy Crestodina: we forget that AI is there to do the work for us. So let the AI not only build the code, but check the code, make sure the code works, and build the requirements for the code. Say, “I want to do this thing.” “What do you, the machine, need to know about building the code?” Katie Robbert – 02:53 So you’re doing the work to build the code, but you’re not actually coding. And so I think—listen, we’re humans, we’re lazy. We want things that are plug and play. I just want to press the go button, the easy button, the old Staples button. I want to press the easy button and make it happen. I don’t want to have to think about coding or configuration or setup or anything. I just want to make it work. I just want to push the button on the blender and have a smoothie. I don’t want to think about the ingredients that go into it. I don’t want to even find a cup. I’m going to drink it straight from the blender. Katie Robbert – 03:28 I think, at least the way that I interpret it, when people say they want the no code version, they’re hoping for that kind of easy path of least resistance. But no code doesn’t mean no work. Christopher S. Penn – 03:44 Yeah. And my worry and concern is that things like the software development lifecycle exist for a reason. And the reason is so that things aren’t a flaming, huge mess. I did see one pundit quip on Threads not too long ago that generative AI may as well be called the Tactical Debt Generator because you have a bunch of people making stuff that they don’t know how to maintain and that they don’t understand. For example, when you are using it to write code, as we’ve talked about in the past, very few people ever think, “Is my code secure?” And as a result, there are a number of threads and tweets and stuff saying, “One day I coded this app in one afternoon.” Christopher S. Penn – 04:26 And then, two days later, “Hey guys, why are all these people breaking into my app?” Katie Robbert – 04:33 It’s— No, it’s true. Yeah, they don’t. It’s a very short-sighted way of approaching it. I mean, think about even all the custom models that we’ve built for various reasons. Katie GPT—when was the last time her system instructions were updated? Even Katie Artifact that I use in Claude all the time—when was the last time her… Just because I use it all the time doesn’t mean that she’s up to date. She’s a little bit outdated. And she’s tired, and she needs a vacation, and she needs a refresh. It’s software. These custom models that you’re building are software. Even if there’s no, quote unquote, “code” that you can see that you have built, there is code behind it that the systems are using that you need to maintain and figure out. Katie Robbert – 05:23 “How do I get this to work long term?” Not just “It solves my problem today, and when I use it tomorrow, it’s not doing what I need it to do.” Christopher S. Penn – 05:33 Yep. The other thing that I see people doing so wrong with generative AI—code, no code, whatever—is they don’t think to ask it thinking questions. I saw this—I was commenting on one of Marcus Sheridan’s posts earlier today—and I said that we live in an environment where if you want to be really good at generative AI, be a good manager. Provide your employee—the AI—with all the materials that it needs to be set up for success. Documentation, background information, a process, your expected outcomes, your timelines, your deliverables, all that stuff. If you give that to an employee with good delegation, the employee will succeed. If you say, “Employee, go do the thing.” And then you walk off to the coffee maker like I did in your job interview 10 years ago. Katie Robbert – 06:26 If you haven’t heard it, we’ll get back to it at some point. Christopher S. Penn – 06:30 That’s not gonna set you up for success. When I say thinking questions, here’s a prompt that anybody can use for pretty much anything that will dramatically improve your generative AI outputs. Once you’ve positioned a problem like, “Hey, I need to make something that does this,” or “I need to fix this thing,” or “Why is this leaking?”… You would say, “Think through 5 to 7 plausible solutions for this problem.” “Rank them in order of practicality or flexibility or robustness, and then narrow down your solution.” “Set to one or two solutions, and then ask me to choose one”—which is a much better process than saying, “What’s the answer?” Or “Fix my problem.” Because we want these machines to think. And if you’re saying—when people equate no code with no think and no work— Yes, to your point. Christopher S. Penn – 07:28 Exactly what you said on the Doodle webinar. “Make the machine do the work.” But you have to think through, “How do I get it to think about the work?” Katie Robbert – 07:38 One of the examples that we were going through on that same webinar that we did—myself and Andy Crestodina—is he was giving very basic prompts to create personas. And unsurprisingly… And he acknowledged this; he was getting generic persona metrics back. And we talked through—it’s good enough to get you started, but if you’re using these very basic prompts to get personas to stand in as your audience, your content marketing is also going to be fairly basic. And so, went more in depth: “Give me strong opinions on mediocre things,” which actually turned out really funny. Katie Robbert – 08:25 But what I liked about it was, sort of to your point, Chris, of the thinking questions, it gave a different set of responses that you could then go, “Huh, this is actually something that I could build my content marketing plan around for my audience.” This is a more interesting and engaging and slightly weird way of looking at it. But unless you do that thinking and unless you get creative with how you’re actually using these tools, you don’t have to code. But you can’t just say, “I work in the marketing industry. Who is my audience?” “And tell me five things that I should write about.” It’s going to be really bland; it’s going to be very vanilla. Which vanilla has its place in time, but it’s not in content marketing. Christopher S. Penn – 09:10 That’s true. Vanilla Ice, on the other hand. Katie Robbert – 09:14 Don’t get me started. Christopher S. Penn – 09:15 Collaborate and listen. Katie Robbert – 09:17 Words to live by. Christopher S. Penn – 09:20 Exactly. And I think that’s a really good way of approaching this. And it almost makes me think that there’s a lot of people who are saying, somewhat accurately, that AI is going to remove our critical thinking skills. We’re just going to stop thinking entirely. And I can see some people, to your point, taking the easy way out all the time, becoming… We talked about in last week’s podcast becoming codependent on generative AI. But I feel like the best thinkers will move their thinking one level up, which is saying, “Okay, how can I think about a better prompt or a better system or a better automation or a better workflow?” So they will still be thinking. You will still be thinking. You will just not be thinking about the low-level task, but you still have to think. Christopher S. Penn – 10:11 Whereas if you’re saying, “How can I get a no-code easy button for this thing?”… You’re not thinking. Katie Robbert – 10:18 I think—to overuse the word think— I think that’s where we’re going to start to see the innovation bell curve. We’re going to start to see people get over that curve of, “All right, I don’t want to code, that’s fine.” But can you think? But if you don’t want to code or think, you’re going to be stuck squarely at the bottom of the hill of that innovation curve. Because if you don’t want to code, it’s fine. I don’t want to code, I want nothing to do with it. That means that I have made my choice and I have to think. I have to get more creative and think more deeply about how I’m prompting, what kind of questions I’m asking, what kind of questions I want it to ask me versus I can build some code. Christopher S. Penn – 11:10 Exactly. And you’ve been experimenting with tools like N8N, for example, as automations for AI. So for that average person who is maybe okay thinking but not okay coding, how do they get started? And I’m going to guess that this is probably the answer. Katie Robbert – 11:28 It is exactly the answer. The 5Ps is a great place to start. The reason why is because it helps you organize your thoughts and find out where the gaps are in terms of the information that you do or don’t have. So in this instance, let’s say I don’t want to create code to do my content marketing, but I do want to come up with some interesting ideas. And me putting in the prompt “Come up with interesting ideas” isn’t good enough because I’m getting bland, vanilla things back. So first and foremost, what is the problem I am trying to solve? The problem I am trying to solve is not necessarily “I need new content ideas.” That is the medicine, if you will. The actual diagnosis is I need more audience, I need more awareness. Katie Robbert – 12:28 I need to solve the problem that nobody’s reading my content. So therefore, I either have the wrong audience or I have the wrong content strategy, or both. So it’s not “I need more interesting content.” That’s the solution. That’s the prescription that you get; the diagnosis is where you want to start with the Purpose. And that’s going to help you get to a better set of thinking when you get to the point of using the Platform—which is generative AI, your SEO tools, your market research, yada yada. So Purpose is “I need to get more audience, I need to get more awareness.” That is my goal. That is the problem I am trying to solve. People: I need to examine, do I have the right audience? Am I missing parts of my audience? Have I completely gone off the deep end? Katie Robbert – 13:17 And I’m trying to get everybody, and really that’s unrealistic. So that’s part of it. The Process. Well, I have to look at my market research. I have to look at my customer—my existing customer base—but also who’s engaging with me on social media, who’s subscribing to my email newsletters, and so on and so forth. So this is more than just “Give me interesting topics for my content marketing.” We’re really digging into what’s actually happening. And this is where that thinking comes into play—that critical thinking of, “Wow, if I really examine all of these things, put all of this information into generative AI, I’m likely going to get something much more compelling and on the nose.” Christopher S. Penn – 14:00 And again, it goes back to that thinking: If you know five people in your audience, you can turn on a screen recording, you can scroll through LinkedIn or the social network of your choice—even if they don’t allow data export—you just record your screen and scroll (not too fast) and then hand that to generative AI. Say, “Here’s a recording of the things that my top five people are talking about.” “What are they not thinking about that I could provide content on based on all the discussions?” So you go onto LinkedIn today, you scroll, you scroll, maybe you do 10 or 15 pages, have a machine tally up the different topics. I bet you it’s 82% AI, and you can say, “Well, what’s missing?” And that is the part that AI is exceptionally good at. Christopher S. Penn – 14:53 You and I, as humans, we are focused creatures. Our literal biology is based on focus. Machines are the opposite. Machines can’t focus. They see everything equally. We found this out a long time ago when scientists built a classifier to try to classify images of wolves versus dogs. It worked great in the lab. It did not work at all in production. And when they went back to try and figure out why, they determined that the machine was classifying on whether there was snow in the photo or not. Because all the wolf photos had snow. The machines did not understand focus. They just classified everything. So, which is a superpower we can use to say, “What did I forget?” “What isn’t in here?” “What’s missing?” You and I have a hard time that we can’t say, “I don’t know what’s missing”—it’s missing. Christopher S. Penn – 15:42 Whereas the machine could go, knowing the domain overall, “This is what your audience isn’t paying attention to.” But that’s not no thinking; that’s not no work. That’s a lot of work actually to put that together. But boy, will it give you better results. Katie Robbert – 15:57 Yeah. And so, gone are the days of being able to get by with… “Today you are a marketing analyst.” “You are going to look at my GA4 data, you are going to tell me what it says.” Yes, you can use that prompt, but you’re not going to get very far. You’re going to get the mediocre results based on that mediocre prompt. Now, if you’re just starting out, if today is Day 1, that prompt is fantastic because you are going to learn a lot very quickly. If today is Day 100 and you are still using that prompt, then you are not thinking. And what I mean by that is you are just complacent in getting those mediocre results back. That’s not a job for AI. Katie Robbert – 16:42 You don’t need AI to be doing whatever it is you’re doing with that basic prompt 100 days in. But if it’s Day 1, it’s great. You’re going to learn a lot. Christopher S. Penn – 16:52 I’m curious, what does the Day 100 prompt look like? Katie Robbert – 16:57 The Day 100 prompt could start with… “Today you are a marketing analyst.” “You are going to do the following thing.” It can start there; it doesn’t end there. So, let’s say you put that prompt in, let’s say it gives you back results, and you say, “Great, that’s not good enough.” “What am I missing?” “How about this?” “Here’s some additional information.” “Here’s some context.” “I forgot to give you this.” “I’m thinking about this.” “How do I get here?” And you just—it goes forward. So you can start there. It’s a good way to anchor, to ground yourself. But then it has to go beyond that. Christopher S. Penn – 17:36 Exactly. And we have a framework for that. Huge surprise. If you go to TrustInsights.ai/rappel, to Katie’s point: the role, the action (which is the overview), then you prime it. You should—you can and should—have a piece of text laying around of how you think, in this example, about analytics. Because, for example, experienced GA4 practitioners know that direct traffic—except for major brands—very rarely is people just typing in your web view address. Most often it’s because you forgot tracking code somewhere. And so knowing that information, providing that information helps the prompt. Of course, the evaluation—which is what Katie’s talking about—the conversation. Christopher S. Penn – 18:17 And then at the very end, the wrap-up where you say, “Based on everything that we’ve done today, come up with some system instructions that encapsulate the richness of our conversation and the final methodology that we got to the answers we actually wanted.” And then that prompt becomes reusable down the road so you don’t have to do it the same time and again. One of the things we teach now in our Generative AI Use Cases course, which I believe is at Trust Insights Use Cases course, is you can build deep research knowledge blocks. So you might say, “I’m a marketing analyst at a B2B consultancy.” “Our customers like people like this.” “I want you to build me a best practices guide for analyzing GA4 for me and my company and the kind of company that we are.” Christopher S. Penn – 19:09 “And I want to know what to do, what not to do, what things people miss often, and take some time to think.” And then you have probably between a 15- and 30-page piece of knowledge that the next time you do that prompt, you can absolutely say, “Hey, analyze my GA4.” “Here’s how we market. Here’s how we think about analytics. Here’s the best practices for GA4.” And those three documents probably total 30,000 words. And it’s at that point where it’s not… No, it is literally no code, and it’s not entirely no work, but you’ve done all the work up front. Katie Robbert – 19:52 The other thing that occurs to me that we should start including in our prompting is the three scenarios. So, basically, if you’re unfamiliar, I do a lot of work with scenario planning. And so, let’s say you’re talking about your budget. I usually do three versions of the budget so that I can sort of think through. Scenario one: everything is status quo; everything is just going to continue business as usual. Scenario two: we suddenly land a bunch of big clients, and we have a lot more revenue coming in. But with that, it’s not just that the top line is getting bigger. Katie Robbert – 20:33 Everything else—there’s a ripple effect to that. We’re going to have to staff up; we’re going to have to get more software, more server, whatever the thing is. So you have to plan for those. And then the third scenario that nobody likes to think about is: what happens if everything comes crashing down? What happens if we lose 75% of our clients? What happens if myself or Chris suddenly can’t perform our duties as co-founders, whatever it is? Those are scenarios that I always encourage people to plan for—whether it’s budget, your marketing plan, blah blah. You can ask generative AI. So if you spent all of this time giving generative AI data and context and knowledge blocks and the deep thinking, and it gives you a marketing plan or it gives you a strategy… Katie Robbert – 21:23 Take it that next step, do that even deeper thinking, and say, “Give me the three scenarios.” “What happens if I follow this plan?” “Exactly.” “What happens if you give me this plan and I don’t measure anything?” “What happens if I follow this plan and I don’t get any outcome?” There’s a bunch of different ways to think about it, but really challenge the system to think through its work, but also to give you that additional information because it may say, “You know what? This is a great thought process.” “I have more questions for you based on this.” “Let’s keep going.” Christopher S. Penn – 22:04 One of the magic questions that we use with generative AI—I use it all the time, particularly requirements gathering—is I’ll give it… Scenarios, situations, or whatever the case may be, and I’ll say… “The outcome I want is this.” “An analysis, a piece of code, requirements doc, whatever.” “Ask me one question at a time until you have enough information.” I did this yesterday building a piece of software in generative AI, and it was 22 questions in a row because it said, “I need to know this.” “What about this?” Same thing for scenario planning. Like, “Hey, I want to do a scenario plan for tariffs or a war between India and Pakistan, or generative AI taking away half of our customer base.” “That’s the scenario I want to plan for.” Christopher S. Penn – 22:52 “Ask me one question at a time.” Here’s—you give it all the knowledge blocks about your business and things. That question is magic. It is absolutely magic. But you have to be willing to work because you’re going to be there a while chatting, and you have to be able to think. Katie Robbert – 23:06 Yeah, it takes time. And very rarely at this point do I use generative AI in such a way that I’m not also providing data or background information. I’m not really just kind of winging it as a search engine. I’m using it in such a way that I’m providing a lot of background information and using generative AI as another version of me to help me think through something, even if it’s not a custom Katie model or whatever. I strongly feel the more data and context you give generative AI, the better the results are going to be. Versus—and we’ve done this test in a variety of different shows—if you just say, “Write me a blog post about the top five things to do in SEO in 2025,” and that’s all you give it, you’re going to get really crappy results back. Katie Robbert – 24:10 But if you load up the latest articles from the top experts and the Google algorithm user guides and developer notes and all sorts of stuff, you give all that and then say, “Great.” “Now break this down in simple language and help me write a blog post for the top five things that marketers need to do to rank in 2025.” You’re going to get a much more not only accurate but also engaging and helpful post because you’ve really done the deep thinking. Christopher S. Penn – 24:43 Exactly. And then once you’ve got the knowledge blocks codified and you’ve done the hard work—may not be coding, but it is definitely work and definitely thinking— You can then use a no-code system like N8N. Maybe you have an ICP. Maybe you have a knowledge block about SEO, maybe you have all the things, and you chain it all together and you say, “I want you to first generate five questions that we want answers to, and then I want you to take my ICP and ask the five follow-up questions.” “And I want you to take this knowledge and answer those 10 questions and write it to a disk file.” And you can then hit—you could probably rename it the easy button— Yes, but you could hit that, and it would spit out 5, 10, 15, 20 pieces of content. Christopher S. Penn – 25:25 But you have to do all the work and all the thinking up front. No code does not mean no work. Katie Robbert – 25:32 And again, that’s where I always go back to. A really great way to get started is the 5Ps. And you can give the Trust Insights 5P framework to your generative AI model and say, “This is how I want to organize my thoughts.” “Walk me through this framework and help me put my thoughts together.” And then at the end, say, “Give me an output of everything we’ve talked about in the 5Ps.” That then becomes a document that you then give back to a new chat and say, “Here’s what I want to do.” “Help me do the thing.” Christopher S. Penn – 26:06 Exactly. You can get a copy at Trust Insights AI 5P framework. Download the PDF and just drop that in. Say, “Help me reformat this.” Or even better, “Here’s the thing I want to do.” “Here’s the Trust Insights 5P framework.” “Ask me questions one at a time until you have enough information to fully fill out a 5P framework audit.” “For this idea I have.” A lot of work, but it’s a lot of work. If you do the work, the results are fantastic. Results are phenomenal, and that’s true of all of our frameworks. I mean, go on to TrustInsights.ai and look under the Insights section. We got a lot of frameworks on there. They’re all in PDF format. Download them from anything in the Instant Insights section. You don’t even need to fill out a form. You can just download the thing and start dropping it. Christopher S. Penn – 26:51 And we did this the other day with a measurement thing. I just took the SAINT framework right off of our site, dropped it in, said, “Make, fill this in, ask me questions for what’s missing.” And the output I got was fantastic. It was better than anything I’ve ever written myself, which is awkward because it’s my framework. Katie Robbert – 27:10 But. And this is gonna be awkwardly phrased, but you’re you. And what I mean by that is it’s hard to ask yourself questions and then answer those questions in an unbiased way. ‘Cause you’re like, “Huh, what do I want to eat today?” “I don’t know.” “I want to eat pizza.” “Well, you ate pizza yesterday.” “Should you be eating pizza today?” “Absolutely.” “I love pizza.” It’s not a helpful or productive conversation. And quite honestly, unless you’re like me and you just talk to yourself out loud all the time, people might think you’re a little bit silly. Christopher S. Penn – 27:46 That’s fair. Katie Robbert – 27:47 But you can. The reason I bring it up—and sort of… That was sort of a silly example. But the machine doesn’t care about you. The machine doesn’t have emotion. It’s going to ask you questions. It’s not going to care if it offends you or not. If it says, “Have you eaten today?” If you say, “Yeah, get off my back,” it’s like, “Okay, whatever.” It’s not going to give you attitude or sass back. And if you respond in such a way, it’s not going to be like, “Why are you taking attitude?” And it’s going to be like, “Okay, let’s move on to the next thing.” It’s a great way to get all of that information out without any sort of judgment or attitude, and just get the information where it needs to be. Christopher S. Penn – 28:31 Exactly. You can also, in your digital twin that you’ve made of yourself, you can adjust its personality at times and say, “Be more skeptical.” “Challenge me.” “Be critical of me.” And to your point, it’s a machine. It will do that. Christopher S. Penn – 28:47 So wrapping up: asking for no-code solutions is fine as long as you understand that it is not no work. In fact, it is a lot of work. But if you do it properly, it’s a lot of work the first time, and then subsequent runs of that task, like everything in the SDLC, get much easier. And the more time and effort you invest up front, the better your life is going to be downstream. Katie Robbert – 29:17 It’s true. Christopher S. Penn – 29:18 If you’ve got some thoughts about no-code solutions, about how you’re using generative AI, how you’re getting it to challenge you and get you to do the work and the thinking, and you want to share them, pop by our free Slack group. Go to TrustInsights.ai/analyticsformarketers where you and over 4,200 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you on the next one. Speaker 3 – 29:57 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. 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“AI can accelerate everything, but if you don't have a clear strategy and alignment across leadership, you're just scaling inefficiency faster. Before you invest in tools or systems, you need to know why they matter, how you'll measure impact, and whether your organization is built to move fast enough to see results.” That's a quote from Mark Goloboy and a sneak peek at today's episode.Welcome to Revenue Boost, A Marketing Podcast. I'm your host, Kerry Curran—revenue growth expert, industry analyst, and relentless advocate for turning marketing into a revenue engine. Each episode, we bring you the strategies, insights, and conversations that help drive your revenue growth. Search for Revenue Boost in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe to stay ahead of the game.In a world where AI is evolving faster than your org chart, how do you build a marketing engine that's both smart and scalable? In From Strategy to Speed: Building a Modern Marketing Engine with AI, I sat down with Mark Goloboy, founder of Market Growth Consulting. We unpack how AI is transforming B2B marketing—and why strategy still comes first.From RAG pipelines and LLM optimization to lean team structures and rapid execution, Mark shares what today's business leaders need to know to move fast, stay aligned, and drive measurable growth. If you're tired of the AI hype and ready for more practical ways to accelerate performance, this one's for you.Be sure to listen through to the end, where Mark shares what you need to do to get started building your AI marketing engine today. Let's go!Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:01.359)So welcome, Mark. Please introduce yourself and share your background and expertise.Mark Goloboy (00:07.502)Excellent. Thank you, Kerry, for having me. Mark Goloboy, I'm the founder and CEO of Market Growth Consulting. We provide a variety of services to everything from small businesses to public companies. Our clients range from a private manufacturer north of Boston to global public companies.My background is on the sales-facing side of marketing. I've been the head of demand gen, marketing operations, and marketing analytics as I grew into marketing leadership. About two and a half years ago, I went out on my own to work directly with CEOs to fill in marketing gaps.At smaller companies, we place fractional CMOs and heads of demand gen to lead marketing, filling in subcontractors and agencies to execute. At larger companies, we run projects covering everything from marketing strategy, org strategy, budgeting, go-to-market strategy, and building out systems—we're currently doing a HubSpot to Salesforce and Marketo migration. We also do executive staffing, placing directors through CMOs either as temp-to-perm so clients can try before they buy, or through contingent staffing where if we find the right person, the client hires them for their future marketing leadership.Kerry Curran, RBMA (01:37.057)Excellent. Thank you, Mark. You've seen it all and are still very involved across business challenges and needs from a marketing, demand gen, and go-to-market perspective. There are lots of hot topics we could cover, but what are you hearing the most from your clients today? What's hottest for them?Mark Goloboy (02:03.662)Marketing really grew in 2022 and 2023 in terms of department size. But I think a lot of us felt it—venture-backed companies especially, but really everyone—wanted to get smaller again in 2023 and 2024. That was a painful adjustment across the industry. Now, as we move through 2024 into 2025, everyone is focused on:How do we do more with less? How do we think about fractional or contract roles in areas we never would have previously?That extends into AI-driven marketing, where every leader is looking to be more efficient and scale faster and smarter by using tools that take over some of the marketing workload. The real challenge now for marketing leaders is finding the balance between the people they need to hire, the money they need to spend, and where AI can make them faster, smarter, and more scalable—while still needing human review and strategic oversight.Kerry Curran, RBMA (03:38.947)Yeah, I agree. And you see so many emerging tools. I think if you search for AI in MarTech today, there's been a huge increase in companies claiming to offer something new or different. But AI actually means a lot of different things. You and I were talking earlier about how important it is to dig into the formula and structure behind what's labeled "AI." What are you seeing from that perspective?Mark Goloboy (04:15.054)Well, I think the big challenge, for me at least—I'm a solo entrepreneur running my own business with just myself and no employees—is figuring out how to work efficiently while wearing many hats.I use subcontractors who are experts at what they do, and I hire based on likeability and capability because my clients will keep rehiring me if they like who I bring them and the work gets done right.But because I'm a solo operator, I have to maximize my own productivity. So every day, I start by looking at what's on my plate and ask: "Could AI help me do this faster, better, or more scalably?"Whether it's a deliverable, a proposal, or a project plan, I always pause and think about how AI can be part of the solution—even if it's just for my internal work, not necessarily client-facing marketing.Kerry Curran, RBMA (05:31.545)Thank you.Mark Goloboy (05:43.870)Each of the major frontier models—OpenAI, Google Gemini, Claude, and others—are developing rapidly. Every time I try something, it's a little different, and the outputs are constantly improving.Last week, I had a meeting with a prospect using an ABM tool I had never heard of. I wanted to appear knowledgeable, so I asked OpenAI to compare it to Sixth Sense and Demandbase, which I know well.Within a minute, it gave me four pages of detailed research on each tool, plus a comparison grid. That would have taken a junior marketer on my team two months to produce. That's how fast this technology is evolving.Kerry Curran, RBMA (06:57.549)Yes, same for me. There's so much you can do faster now. You mentioned video editing, and I recently used napkin.ai to turn raw text into beautiful slides. It's such a game-changer for solo entrepreneurs.Mark Goloboy (07:27.790)Exactly. Externally, too, clients come to us with needs, and it's up to us to creatively think: "How can we use AI to deliver this better?"Last year, we trained an AI model to write like a PhD psychologist who had run a department at Columbia Med. Using her writing, interviews, and videos, we trained Google Gemini to mimic her voice—and she couldn't tell which blog posts were hers versus AI-generated.This was mid-2024, when people still said AI content was bland. But we were producing PhD-level work that passed her own review.Kerry Curran, RBMA (08:39.865)Yeah, it's pretty incredible. It helps us do a lot more and get a lot more out of our hours and days—getting smarter and more effective. What are some of the other ways or tools you've developed for your clients to help them with their demand gen and other aspects of business?Mark Goloboy (09:00.270)Yeah, so I joke with my clients that I didn't know what the letters RAG meant in December—but now I do. It stands for Retrieval Augmented Generation. That's about developing agentic pipelines to connect your internal data sources—whether documents, databases, or internal systems—to the large language models (LLMs), so you can move information between them and generate outputs informed not just by public data, but by your own proprietary data.Right now, we're building RAG agentic pipelines for a PR firm, for example. Their CEO prioritized the three use cases that would save their account managers the most time:Meeting scheduling and rescheduling, which wastes hours every week. Contract review, since they're doing placements in major media outlets and need to review hundreds of contracts a month. Media monitoring, summarizing brand mentions across the web and sending daily summaries to clients—something that takes an hour per client per day. By automating these processes, they save massive amounts of time, and as they grow, they don't need to hire as many new account managers.Kerry Curran, RBMA (10:58.467)Yes, that's super valuable. I love that it allows them to free up time to be more strategic instead of bogged down in busywork. So what are some of the steps required for someone to set this up? How did you learn more about creating these pipelines and the RAG system?Mark Goloboy (11:20.398)There are some really good places to learn. The first one I always recommend is the Marketing AI Institute. Paul Roetzer is the founder, and I learn the most from him.Paul and his content lead put out a one-hour podcast every week that breaks down everything that's changed in AI since the last episode. It's incredibly rich information. I usually listen at 1.5x speed and get through it in 40 minutes. I don't care about every topic, but I hear what matters and know where to dive deeper.Beyond that, I follow a few amazing marketers—Liza Adams, Nicole Leffer, and Andy Crestodina—who are brilliant at testing new things and sharing what works. They save me countless hours of trial and error.Kerry Curran, RBMA (12:41.133)Thank you—we'll be sure to include all of those in the show notes as well. One thing you mentioned was that the podcast covers what's changed in just the past week. AI is changing so fast. What should people keep in mind when they're building these tools or leveraging different sources?Mark Goloboy (13:01.336)I'm used to building very permanent, robust systems—CRM, marketing automation, ABM platforms—that are meant to deliver value for years. But with AI, we have to accept that some development is disposable.It's crucial to prioritize effort. We help clients understand: we're not building something that will last 5 years. Some of the code we build today might be obsolete in 6–12 months.For example, OpenAI just launched a new pipeline tool that replaced the one we were using. If we had spent six months building on the old system, it would already be outdated.So we advise clients: build for today's ROI and be ready to pivot constantly. If you're rigid, you'll miss the opportunity.Kerry Curran, RBMA (14:47.747)Yeah, it made me think about how, in a lot of organizations, it takes so long just to get buy-in and approvals to start using new tools. It's a whole culture and mindset shift—especially for marketing leaders.Mark Goloboy (15:07.788)Exactly. I couldn't imagine a one-year approval cycle for an AI project. By the time you'd get sign-off, the tools would have changed and you'd have to start over.You need faster review and approval cycles. Otherwise, AI-driven innovation simply won't be possible.Kerry Curran, RBMA (15:29.475)Yes, definitely. And that's another benefit of bringing someone like you in—you're well-versed in what's changing, and you have the curiosity and experience to guide them through it.Mark Goloboy (15:45.954)Exactly.Kerry Curran, RBMA (15:47.407)So for people listening who want to get started—maybe building custom pipelines or just leveraging AI more—what are the foundations they need to have in place?Mark Goloboy (16:14.830)The most important thing is a good strategy.When we come into companies, often because of turnover—whether it's the CRO, CMO, CEO—they don't have strong alignment on strategy anymore. If you don't have a clear strategy that demands an investment, and you don't know how you'll measure the value of what you're building, you're setting yourself up for failure.So we always start at the strategic level first.We also move fast. If you want a slow project, there are large consulting firms that are happy to take years and millions of dollars. That's not us. We think in three- to six-month project cycles—then we operate and optimize from there.We want to move quickly and get you results now, not years down the road.Kerry Curran, RBMA (18:29.229)That's such an important point. And it ties back to so many of the themes we talk about on this podcast—internal alignment, clear business goals, and unified execution across the organization.One of the tools you mentioned that I think is really fascinating helps address the trend of AI tools becoming new search engines. Can you talk about how you're helping your clients optimize for that?Mark Goloboy (19:19.950)Absolutely. Most of my clients are B2B. And historically, Google was how people found solutions. You wrote your content for Google—end of story.But now, with ChatGPT and other LLMs, people are searching inside AI to get answers. It's shifting fast—from 80/20 Google to maybe 50/50 Google/LLMs within a few years.We partnered with a tool called Brand Luminaire. It analyzes how LLMs like Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT surface information about your brand and your competitors.Critically, it shows you what sources the LLMs are pulling from. That means you know where to focus your writing, PR, and SEO efforts—not just for Google, but for the LLMs too.It's a massive shift. Brands that don't adapt will lose mindshare at the point of research and decision-making.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:06.307)That's excellent. It's something all brands are going to need to prioritize as search behavior expands beyond just Google.So this has been great, Mark. Thank you so much for sharing so many practical insights and tools. For people who want to get in touch with you and learn more about your services, where should they go?Mark Goloboy (22:29.454)They can email me directly at mark@marketgrowthconsulting.com—I'm very functional with my branding: market growth consulting is what I do!Or you can find me on LinkedIn—I'm easy to find with my unique last name.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:46.541)Awesome. We'll put that in the show notes too. Thank you again, Mark, for being here and sharing so much of your expertise.Mark Goloboy (22:55.064)Thank you so much for having me, Kerry.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:57.071)Thank you.Thanks for tuning in to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. I hope today's conversation sparked some new ideas and challenged the way you think about how to incorporate AI into your marketing strategy and initiatives.If you're serious about turning marketing into a true revenue driver, this is just the beginning. We've got more insightful conversation, experts, guests, and actionable strategies coming your way. So search for us in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe!And hey, if this episode gave you value, share it with a colleague and leave a quick review. It helps more revenue minded leaders like you find the show. Until next time, I'm Kerry Curran, revenue marketing expert helping you connect marketing to growth one episode at a time. We'll see you soon.

Original research is one of the most powerful tools in B2B marketing. It's a direct path to unique insights, fresh content, and a strong and differentiated industry presence. Host Amy Woods breaks down why original research is worth the effort, how it positions your brand as a trusted authority, and the many ways it can fuel your entire marketing funnel with high-value, repurposable content that AI simply can't replicate.Find out:The value of original research in B2B marketing and how to choose the right topicsHow research-backed content boosts credibility and sets you apart from generic AI-generated noiseContent creation and repurposing opportunities across multiple channelsThe role of proprietary research in demand generation, pipeline growth, and industry positioningKey insights from B2B industry experts and their approach to original research and reports Important links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Planning, Recording & Repurposing Expert Interviews to Fuel Your Entire Content Strategy: https://www.content10x.com/expert-interviews-ultimate-guide/ The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/interview-guide/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/The 4 Rs of Repurposing Research with Michele Linn https://www.content10x.com/237/7 Steps to Transform your B2B Report with Daniel Plume https://www.content10x.com/297/B2B Content Strategist Podcast https://www.content10x.com/b2b-content-strategist/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

Book a call with Justin on how to get into⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ business video podcasting ⁠In this episode, Andy Crestodina, CMO and Co-Founder of Orbit Media, unpacks the smartest ways B2B marketers can leverage AI today—without falling for the hype. He introduces the concept of AI-powered gap analysis, a high-impact, underutilized tactic for improving website conversions by identifying what your pages are missing through the eyes of your audience. Andy also explores the rise of “non-human visitors”—AI agents that browse websites like humans—and what that means for SEO, conversion strategy, and digital PR. With his signature clarity and practical insights, Andy makes a compelling case for why marketers must adapt now to stay relevant in the age of AI.Guest BioAndy Crestodina is the Co-Founder and Chief Marketing Officer at Orbit Media, an award-winning digital agency specializing in SEO, content strategy, and visitor psychology.With over 20 years of experience, Andy has helped more than 1,000 businesses grow their visibility and generate leads through smarter digital strategy. He's the author of Content Chemistry (now in its 7th edition) and has published more than 600 articles on content marketing, analytics, and AI.A sought-after speaker, Andy delivers up to 100 talks each year at major conferences like Content Marketing World and MozCon. He also teaches at Northwestern University and Harbour.Space University.Beyond marketing, Andy is deeply committed to giving back. He co-founded Chicago Cause, a philanthropic initiative that has donated over $700,000 in digital services to nonprofits, and he's a certified Treekeeper with Openlands.TakeawaysAI-powered gap analysis is one of the most valuable and underutilized tools in B2B marketing today.Visual hierarchy matters—screenshots often outperform text or links when prompting AI for page feedback.Marketers must now optimize websites for AI agents, not just human users.A new layer of SEO and digital PR is emerging: training the bots to recommend your brand.Human connection, storytelling, and opinion will become the ultimate differentiators in a world of generic AI content.AI tools can still make factual and contextual mistakes—validation remains critical.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Andy Crestodina & Orbit Media01:15 Reflecting on changes in marketing over 2 years02:25 AI-powered gap analysis and why it's a game changer05:40 How to feed pages to AI for better analysis07:16 Visual hierarchy, screenshots, and conversion copy08:34 Limitations of AI when analyzing user experience09:26 Preparing your site for non-human AI visitors11:13 Agentic AI: bots evaluating your site like humans13:02 Making your site agent-friendly for future automation16:00 AI's impact on the software and startup ecosystem18:30 The risks of inaccurate AI bios and brand representation20:30 How to get AI to recommend your company22:29 Why podcasts and digital PR are now SEO tools23:45 What AI can't do: story, opinion, emotion, and connection25:37 Little Life Moments vs Large Language Models26:52 Closing thoughts on marketing in the age of AILinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Andy on LinkedIn here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Justin on LinkedIn here⁠

In the final episode of our five-part series, host Amy Woods is joined once again by Hayley Evans, Head of Marketing Operations and Client Account Management at Content 10x, to answer the most frequently asked questions about expert interviews.From how long they should be to how to keep conversations on track, Amy and Hayley share practical advice to help you get the most from your expert interviews – so you can turn in-house expertise into high-value, impactful content.Find out:The ideal interview length (and why anything over an hour is a risk)How often to run expert interviews and how to fit them into your content workflowThe biggest mistakes marketing teams make when interviewing experts – and how to avoid themWhy a relaxed, conversational approach leads to better expert interviews than a rigid Q&AHow expert interviews fit into your wider content strategyImportant links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/interview-guide/The Ultimate Guide to Planning, Recording & Repurposing Expert Interviews to Fuel Your Entire Content Strategy https://www.content10x.com/expert-interviews-ultimate-guide/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/Hayley on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayley-evans-56421826/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

What does it take to create content that not only ranks but converts in today's fast-paced digital world? With ever-changing algorithms, shorter attention spans, and the rise of AI-driven marketing, staying ahead requires more than just keeping up—it's about adapting and innovating.In this episode, I sit down with Andy Crestodina, co-founder of Orbit Media and author of Content Chemistry. Andy has spent decades shaping the content marketing industry, and today, he's here to break down what's working, what's not, and how you can future-proof your strategy.From the power of LinkedIn newsletters to AI's impact on search rankings, we're covering everything you need to know about making your content work harder and smarter. If you've ever struggled with SEO, social media engagement, or crafting a content strategy that actually converts, this episode is packed with actionable insights.In this episode, you'll learn:Why content strategies must evolve with changing algorithms: Short-form video, AI search results, and declining organic reach demand a fresh approach.How LinkedIn newsletters can outperform traditional email marketing: Get higher engagement and build brand visibility without fighting inbox clutter.The role of original research and thought leadership in content marketing: Become a go-to resource by publishing studies, data, and expert insights.How AI is changing SEO and content discovery: Learn why brand mentions and contextual optimization matter more than backlinks.The importance of sales and marketing alignment for higher conversions: Create content that directly addresses customer objections and drives action.Want more content strategies that actually work? Subscribe to Rocky Mountain Marketing and visit katiebrinkley.com for free resources to level up your digital presence today!Checkout Capsho now:katiebrinkley.live/capshoVisit Andy Crestodina's social media pages:Orbit Media Studios Website: https://www.orbitmedia.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/Learn more about Katie and Next Step Social Communications:Speaking: https://katiebrinkley.com/Website: https://www.nextstepsocialcommunications.comLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiebrinkleyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/@rockymountainmarketingInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamkatiebrinkley/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/socialprofitlab#ContentMarketing #DigitalMarketing #MarketingInsights #SEO2025 #MarketingGrowth #BrandBuilding #AIMarketing #B2BMarketing #ContentCreation #LeadGeneration #SearchRankings #MarketingForBusiness #LinkedInStrategy #SocialSelling #MarketingSuccess Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the fourth episode of our five-part miniseries, host Amy Woods and Hayley Evans, Head of Marketing Operations and Client Account Management at Content 10x, discuss ways you can repurpose expert interviews effectively. They discuss how to reuse and reshape interviews for podcasts, blog posts, social media, and more, covering how to pick out key moments and keep things engaging across different formats.Whether it's short clips, written content, or a whole series, they talk through how to plan ahead and make repurposing simple, so you're always getting the best return from your expert conversations that fuels your strategy for months. Find out:How to turn expert interviews into multiple content formatsWhy they recommend short-form videoHow to make the most of platforms like LinkedIn and YouTube ShortsHow distribution plays a role in maximizing reach and engagementThe importance of engagement – and why posting isn't enoughImportant links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/interview-guide/The Ultimate Guide to Planning, Recording & Repurposing Expert Interviews to Fuel Your Entire Content Strategy https://www.content10x.com/expert-interviews-ultimate-guide/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/Hayley on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayley-evans-56421826/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

You've done the prep, set the strategy, and picked the experts. Now it's time to hit record!But a great interview isn't just about asking the right questions – it's about creating the right environment for insightful conversations to happen. In part three of this five-part series, host Amy Woods and Hayley Evans, Head of Marketing Operations and Client Account Management at Content 10x, walk through what it takes to run a smooth, engaging expert interview. They cover the key steps to help everyone involved feel at ease, manage the technical side of recording, and ensure you walk away with content you can actually use. Find out:Why pre-interview warm-ups make a big differenceThe best way to handle tech checks (and why you shouldn't skip them)How to keep the conversation flowing while making sure you capture the right contentThe key to getting content that doesn't feel scriptedThe role of a facilitator – and when to consider having oneHow to wrap up effectively and get feedback that makes future interviews even betterImportant links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/video10x-exec/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/Hayley on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayley-evans-56421826/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

New co-host Andy Crestodina unwraps the hottest topic on the web these days — the impact of AI on SEO. Most websites are starting to get hits from AI sites, and Mark Schaefer reports that he's gained new customers. But what is the secret to success? Mark and Andy also debate LinkedIn newsletters — is it too late to find success? Is it robbing readers from your website?

The key to great expert interviews? It all starts with the right preparation.In part two of our five-part series, host Amy Woods and Hayley Evans, Head of Marketing Operations and Client Account Management at Content 10x, break down how to plan, structure, and set-up expert interviews. From selecting the right experts (and interviewers) to asking open-ended questions that lead to real insights, they share what it takes to set your interviews up for success – before you even hit record. Amy and Hayley also explore how expert interviews fit into your content strategy and how upfront planning makes the whole process run smoother. Find out:How to align expert interviews with your content pillars and business goalsThe two key ‘whos' – who to interview and who should run the interviewWhy choosing the right questions is just as important as choosing the right expertHow to help your interviewee feel prepared and confident with pre-interview prepThe must-do technical checklist: lighting, audio, internet speed, and moreImportant links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/video10x-exec/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/Hayley on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayley-evans-56421826/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

What if your best content is already within your team, waiting to be uncovered?In this first episode of our five-part series, host Amy Woods is joined by Hayley Evans, Head of Marketing Operations and Client Account Management at Content 10x, to discuss the power of expert interviews and how they unlock high-value content that AI can't replicate.Amy and Hayley break down what expert interviews are, why they work, and how they help B2B companies create truly authentic, people-focused content straight from the voices of their in-house experts. Find out:What expert interviews are and how they add depth to your contentWho is considered an ‘expert' in an organization – and why it goes beyond the C-suiteHow they bring authentic, people-focused stories to lifeThe many content opportunities expert interviews create (beyond just the interview itself)Important links & mentions:The Ultimate Guide to Impactful Video Interviews https://www.content10x.com/video10x-exec/How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina https://www.content10x.com/322/How to Create Content that AI Can't Create https://www.content10x.com/323/Hayley on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayley-evans-56421826/Amy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywoods2/Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

The question on every B2B marketer's mind: how do you compete with AI-generated content? And should you even try? We say no – rise above it. Social feeds and Google search results are filling up with AI-generated content that is repetitive, uninspired, and simply low-quality. With the rise of commoditized content, it's our job to create differentiated content and stand-out. In this episode of The Content 10x Podcast, Host Amy Woods explores the types of content that only humans can create – content that's authentic, nuanced, and impossible for AI to replicate. Plus, she shares how to repurpose your content for maximum impact. Find out:Why it's important to create content that AI can't createThe types of content B2B marketers should focus onHow to repurpose content and make it go furtherImportant links & mentions:How to Build a Winning Blog Content Strategy with Andy Crestodina www.content10x.com/322B2B Content Marketing Trends & Predictions for 2025 www.content10x.com/3217 Steps to Transform your B2B Report with Daniel Plume www.content10x.com/297 The 4 Rs of Repurposing Research with Michele Linn www.content10x.com/237 Livestream Repurposing: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly www.content10x.com/186 Why You Should Repurpose Your Livestream Videos with Matt Pierce www.content10x.com/176How to Repurpose a Virtual Event with Mark Huber www.content10x.com/225Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

What can 11 years of blogging data teach us about building a successful B2B blog content strategy? Amy Woods is joined by Andy Crestodina, Co-Founder and Chief Marketing Officer at Orbit Media, and the mastermind behind a highly regarded annual blogging survey that's been running for over a decade. Andy shares some fascinating insights from the latest survey, exploring how blogging has changed, what successful content looks like today, and the steps bloggers (with a focus on B2B marketers) can take to overcome common challenges.Find out:The surprising trends from 11 years of blogging dataWhy the most successful content mirrors the social media experienceSome of the biggest challenges bloggers face (like driving traffic)How to adapt your content strategy for the rise of AI and generative searchTips on how to optimize blog posts to attract and retain readersImportant links & mentions:2024 Blogging Statistics: 11 years of Trends and Insights from 1000+ Bloggers https://www.orbitmedia.com/blog/blogging-statisticsAndy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina Andy's book: https://www.orbitmedia.com/about/content-chemistry (Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing)How to Win at Gen AI Search with Christopher Penn https://www.content10x.com/310Optimizing Content for AI: Effective Repurposing Tactics https://www.content10x.com/311Amy's book: www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, a creative agency that provides specialist content strategy, creation and repurposing support to B2B organizations. She's also a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content marketing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get the latest content marketing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter

Discover the Future of Content Marketing with Andy Crestodina!AI is reshaping how businesses approach SEO and content marketing. But are you leveraging it effectively to stand out? Join us for a dynamic session as Andy Crestodina, Co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, breaks down practical, game-changing strategies to harness ChatGPT for driving traffic, boosting rankings, and creating unforgettable content.Andy is a thought leader in digital marketing with years of expertise in turning complex SEO concepts into actionable insights. His unique perspective on AI, informed by hands-on experience and real-world results, makes him the perfect guide to help you transition from "lazy prompts" to impactful, audience-focused content.In this session, you'll learn:- How to use AI tools to develop personas, content missions, and SEO-friendly articles.- Proven methods for auditing and optimizing content for maximum reach and engagement.- Strategies to create thought leadership content that sparks conversation and drives results.- Don't miss this opportunity to learn from one of the best in the business!About Leveraging AI The Ultimate AI Course for Business People: https://multiplai.ai/ai-course/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@Multiplai_AI/ Connect with Isar Meitis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isarmeitis/ Free AI Consultation: https://multiplai.ai/book-a-call/ Join our Live Sessions, AI Hangouts and newsletter: https://services.multiplai.ai/events If you've enjoyed or benefited from some of the insights of this episode, leave us a five-star review on your favorite podcast platform, and let us know what you learned, found helpful, or liked most about this show!

Andy Crestodina is the Co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer at Orbit Media Studios, an award-winning digital agency. With 23 years of experience in analytics, SEO, content strategy, and website optimization, he is regarded as a leading expert in the marketing industry. Andy has written over 500 articles on content strategy, SEO, AI, social media, and analytics and is the author of Content Chemistry.  In this episode…  Marketers and e-commerce business owners leverage AI mainly for content creation purposes — something customers can accomplish easily themselves. How can you differentiate your brand with innovative, AI-driven content? Rather than developing a prompt to write articles or PDPs, marketer and AI prompt engineer Andy Crestodina recommends having AI analyze a webpage, PDP, or other body of work to identify missing components. This may involve creating prompts detailing whether a PDP meets industry best practices, identifying how to enhance a web page to drive conversions, or determining whether the content meets audience expectations. To take it a step further, you can train the AI to generate ideal customer personas that can influence CTAs, landing pages, and other consumer-facing content. Tune in to this episode of the Up Arrow Podcast as William Harris chats with Andy Crestodina, the Co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer at Orbit Media Studios, about revolutionizing AI for CRO. Andy talks about increasing search rankings with AI-driven analytics platforms, how AI will alter internet searches, and AI's potential beyond e-commerce content creation.

It's the last CX Pulse Check of 2024! Discover how AI is reshaping the marketing landscape alongside our special guest co-host Andy Crestodina. First, we unravel the secrets behind Taco Bell and KFC's AI-driven marketing success, which not only boosts sales but also enhances personalized communication. However, the episode also offers a reality check for smaller businesses considering AI adoption.We then spotlight the burgeoning trend of transparency in technology. The conversation parallels AI disclosure with privacy laws, highlighting how this shift could foster trust. The discussion takes a thought-provoking turn as we question AI's capacity for empathy, pondering whether AI can deliver more meaningful experiences than humans.Our exploration extends into the educational arena, where AI is both a boon and a challenge. AI can enhance learning but also presents obstacles to foundational skill development. We emphasize the vital balance between embracing AI's efficiency and nurturing essential human skills and relationships.About Andy Crestodina:Andy Crestodina is a co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, an award-winning 50-person digital agency in Chicago.Over the past 24 years, Andy's provided guidance to 1000+ businesses. He's written hundreds of articles on content strategy, SEO, GA4, AI and visitor psychology. He's also the author of Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing.Top 10 Online Marketing Experts, Forbes Top 50 Marketing Influencer, Entrepreneur Magazine Top 25 Content Marketers, Express Writers/BuzzsumoTop 10 Social Media Influencers, Social Media ExplorerFollow Andy and Orbit Media on...LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/orbit-media-studios-inc./Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/orbitmediastudiosTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/crestodinaTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/orbiteersYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/OrbitmediaArticles Mentioned:Taco Bell and KFC's Owner Says AI-Driven Marketing Is Boosting Purchases (The Wall Street Journal) -- https://www.wsj.com/articles/taco-bell-and-kfcs-owner-says-ai-driven-marketing-is-boosting-purchases-ab3a5f36Retailers confront trust issues as generative AI becomes commonplace (CX Dive) -- https://www.customerexperiencedive.com/news/retail-customer-trust-generative-bain-e-commerce/733018/Resources Mentioned:Experience Investigators Website -- experienceinvestigators.comWant to ask a question? Visit askjeannie.vip to leave Jeannie a voicemail! (And don't forget to follow Jeannie on LinkedIn! www.linkedin.com/in/jeanniewalters/)

Georgiana is a strategic advisor, author and speaker who's passionate about turning customer value into revenue-generating outcomes. Marketing online since 2000, she began her track record as a marketing executive and product growth advisor in 2010 working with high-growth, B2B SaaS like Unbounce, Sprout Social, Bitly, Appcues, SparkToro, Invoice Simple and more. Questions and topics we covered in this interview include: The origins of Forget The Funnel (and why funnels are bad for business) What Customer-Led Growth is and why it comes before all other growth models (like product-led, sales-led, marketing-led, or community-led) How do marketers begin to learn from their customers?  What's the best way to collect product feedback? What's the best way to implement that feedback? + How does marketing champion and facilitate this process with other departments? You're a prolific advisor to several big name startups, what does it take to become one? Georgiana's advice on how to become a startup advisor And more! Important Links You can say hello to Georgiana on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgianalaudi/ You can find me on LinkedIn here- https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto  Get her book on Customer-Led Growth™ here - https://www.forgetthefunnel.com/customer-led-growth/book Check out her podcast with cofounder Claire Suellentrop here - https://pod.link/1713510690 Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Kate Guerrero helps early stage startups solve positioning and messaging challenges, and translates strategy to a crystal clear homepage. She's a 2x small business owner, a 2x mom, and the author of an award-winning manuscript. Questions and topics we covered in this interview include: Fletch's philosophy around product marketing How product positioning lays the groundwork for all other forms of marketing collateral a business will need to make and deploy How to sell the work of product positioning internally How the size of a business's product portfolio affects positioning exercises and GTM strategy The core differences between brand marketing and product marketing The actual step-by-step process Fletch takes to update a B2B SaaS company's homepage and product positioning   How to identify what differentiates a product from the rest of the market Why it's okay to actually talk about the competition in your positioning  And more! Important Links Learn more about Fletch PMM's positioning and product marketing services here - https://www.fletchpmm.com You can say hello to Kate on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kate-guerrero-

On this episode, Dots Oyebolu speaks with Andy Crestodina, Co-Founder and CMO at Orbit Media Studios. Andy shares insights on how AI is transforming marketing analytics and website optimization, highlighting practical strategies for marketers to improve performance through data analysis, ideation and filling content gaps.Key Takeaways:(03:41) AI should not be used to write content; it's best for ideation.(06:17) AI helps identify which topics perform best across different channels.(08:26) Analyzing conversion data and creating actionable charts with AI.(10:31) Anytime there's an export button, marketers should get excited.(14:30) AI can find deficiencies in website pages, enabling marketers to fix gaps.(20:56) Improving the click-through rate on calls-to-action boosts revenue.(23:36) AI can help marketers test multiple variations in A/B testing.(26:40) AI-driven gap analysis improves key pages' performance for conversions.(30:44) Combining human insight with AI optimizes digital marketing strategies.Resources Mentioned:Andy Crestodina - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/Orbit Media Studios - https://www.linkedin.com/company/orbit-media-studios-inc./Orbit Media Studios | Website -https://www.orbitmedia.comGoogle Analytics 4 -https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/10089681?hl=enSparkToro -https://sparktoro.com/Insightful Links:https://contentmarketinginstitute.com/articles/seo-strategy-aihttps://www.coursera.org/articles/ai-in-marketinghttps://www.orbitmedia.com/blog/ai-website-optimization/Thanks for listening to the Marketing Leadership podcast, brought to you by Listen Network. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review to help get the word out about the show. And be sure to subscribe so you never miss another insightful conversation.#PodcastMarketing #PerformanceMarketing #BrandMarketing #MarketingStrategy #MarketingIntelligence #GTM #B2BMarketing #D2CMarketing #PodcastAds

Shelagh Dolan is the Content Marketing Manager at Quora, where she has led the content strategy for Quora for Business, the platform's advertising division, since June 2022. With over a decade of experience, Shelagh has a proven track record of crafting content strategies that align with sales goals and drive growth for global B2B brands. Before joining Quora, she held key roles as the Director of Content Marketing at eMarketer and Senior Content Marketing Manager at Business Insider. Topics and questions we covered in this episode include: The key skills every entry-level content marketer should focus on developing in 2025 The things that HAVEN'T changed in marketing (and probably won't) Shelagh's process for launching new product features How to prove that content is bringing in revenue and ROI? Shelagh's advice for finding (and getting) great marketing jobs The challenges people don't talk about when it comes to managing a team And more! Important Links You can say hello to Shelagh on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelaghdolan/ You can find me on LinkedIn here- https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto  Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

We set out to talk with our guest on this one about content. What evolved is so smart and delightful... Join us for a dive that goes pretty deep into the world of how AI plays into content marketing, with the esteemed Andy Crestodina. You will have a greater understanding of AI - we promise. Learn About... - Defining Content Marketing: Understand the core principles of content marketing and how it differs from traditional advertising. - Combining GA4 Data with ChatGPT: Discover how integrating Google Analytics 4 (GA4) data with ChatGPT can enhance content planning and precision. - AI in SEO: Explore the evolving role of AI in SEO and how it can help small to medium-sized businesses rank higher in search results. - Measuring ROI: Learn how to better measure the ROI of your content efforts by integrating data from AI tools and GA4. - Niche vs. Broad Content Strategies: Get insights on when to narrow the focus or expand the scope of your content campaigns. Our Guest... Andy Crestodina is the CMO and co-founder of Orbit Media, an award-winning digital agency. With over two decades of experience, Andy has applied his expertise in SEO, analytics, and content strategy to drive visibility and lead generation for more than 1,000 businesses. His data-driven approaches and innovative use of AI have consistently delivered measurable impact for clients. Andy is a thought leader in digital marketing, known for his grounded strategies and keen understanding of audience behavior.   ~._.*._.~ Making a Marketer is brought to you by Powers of Marketing - providing exceptional podcast experiences & online and in-person events. Check out episode 158, and if our show moves you, share it and let us know your thoughts! Take our LISTENER Community Survey!!! HERE ** Our editor Avri makes amazing music! Check out his music on Spotify! **

Nikki Lindgren, founder and managing partner of Pennock, is a leader in scaling DTC businesses through paid ads with a focus on helping female-led beauty brands. With expertise in digital media management exceeding $100 million, Nikki and her team leverage strategic advantages for impressive MER and ROAS. Questions and topics we covered in this episode include: Nikki shares her story of how she founded Pennock When and how marketers should deploy ads to grow eCommerce businesses The nuances that come when doing any type of performance marketing campaigns for beauty products What constitutes a strong ad strategy in today's market? The metrics that truly matter when it comes to doing media buying well The “learning phase” is defined (in as simple a way as possible) How to measure ad fatigue/campaign decay How much should brands spend on ads, where should that money go, and what should be the expected returns? What are your predictions for the future of DTC and performance marketing? And more! You can connect with Nikki on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikkilindgren/ You can connect with me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Kristin Fracchia is a growth and marketing exec who has helped scale companies from early stage to public, including Chegg and Magoosh. She is an unabashed generalist and lifelong learner, who has flexed between roles leading marketing, growth, sales, product, finance, business development, and business operations. Her current passions are helping companies leverage AI to their advantage and mentoring early career leaders. Prior to working in tech, she obtained a PhD and dabbled in academia, earning an excellence in teaching award from the University of California.    Questions and topics we discussed in this interview include: How Kristin is learning about new tools like Clay.com to stay adaptable as a marketer in this budding field of GenAI How should marketers think about getting their brands more visibility on gen AI tools and chat-based search tools like ChatGPT? What's the business impact that obtaining AI visibility would have on business growth? What is generative engine optimization (GEO)? And how is this field emerging and evolving? What tools can marketers use today to determine how their marketing is being impacted by genAI? What should marketers tell their leadership teams about how genAI search may impact their marketing strategies and how we should all start adapting And more! You can connect with Kristin on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinfracchia/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Shelia Rondeau is a driven and experienced executive with expert proficiency in providing unsurpassed leadership and revenue growth in dynamic, fast-paced, competitive business environments. She's fully capable of leading a full array of enterprise marketing responsibilities, as well as general business operations, building foundations that enable the companies she works with to scale for growth. She is currently a Fractional CMO and CEO for her company MOGXP. Questions and topics we discussed in this interview include: The story of how MOGXP began What it takes to obtain big-name clients like Toyota, Budweiser, Walmart, and more. The common marketing challenges big brands face when it comes to customer experiences Experiential marketing defined How college ambassador programs are a great example of experiential marketing programs (done the right way) The current state of experiential marketing and its effectiveness as a marketing channel And more! You can connect with Sheila through LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheilarondeau/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

How can content marketing change your future fortunes? In this episode of Growing Social Now, host Barbara Rozgonyi interviews Andy Crestodina, co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, about the future of digital marketing, content strategy, and personal branding. With over 24 years of experience, Andy shares insights on blogging, AI in marketing, and strategies for standing out in an increasingly AI-driven landscape.Key Takeaways:1.    Original research and strong opinions are two content formats AI cannot replicate, making them valuable for differentiation.2.    AI should be used for research and performance improvement rather than just efficiency in content creation.3.    Blogging remains relevant, as it helps build a digital footprint necessary for AI recommendations in the future.4.    Personal branding through LinkedIn, newsletters, and in-person networking is crucial for thought leadership.Surprising Moments:1.    Crestodina's stance on cream in coffee as an example of strong opinions AI can't replicate.2.    The revelation that even AI scientists don't fully understand AI, challenging the notion of "AI experts."Tune in for the best 20 minutes you'll spend this week!Thanks for listening and subscribing to Growing Social Now with Barbara Rozgonyi, produced by CoryWest Media. Barbara RozgonyiFounder, CoryWest Media Fractional CMO Digital Marketing PR Consultant Keynote SpeakerTop PR BloggerPodcast Host Growing Social Now Barbara Rozgonyi on Facebook Barbara Rozgonyi on InstagramBarbara Rozgonyi on LinkedInBarbara Rozgonyi on TikTokBarbara Rozgonyi on TwitterYouTubeGrowing Social Now wiredPRworksBarbaraRozgonyi.com

Pat LaCroix is the EVP of marketing and commercial strategy at Seekr, a leading artificial intelligence company specializing in transparent content evaluation. For over 20 years, Pat has worked inside major consumer brands and advertising agencies. Prior to Seekr, he held a variety of global marketing leadership roles at Bose, where he was responsible for brand marketing, media, digital, social and partnerships with relevant brands such as NFL, Amazon, Disney, and Spotify to name just to name a few. During this time, he was recognized in the “Sports Business Journal” with the “40 under 40” award. Questions and topics we discussed in this interview include: He explained how past roles prepared him for his leadership at Seekr Pat provided an inside look at Seekr's mission and explained his responsibilities within the company He addressed the challenges he faces in his role Pat shared insights on Seekr's biggest marketing challenge for 2024 Pat introduces us to the PIE framework (performance, image, and exposure) that all marketers need to know if they want to get promoted And more! You can connect with Pat on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/pat-lacroix-1883506/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Near the end of the episode, Patrick also mentions the PIE framework (performance, image, and exposure) that he used to get promotions throughout his career. If you want a deeper dive specifically into this subject, check out this article I wrote about it on Medium - https://medium.com/@KennySoto/why-doing-a-good-job-isnt-enough-here-s-a-slice-of-p-i-e-for-my-marketing-homies-dce789fc2cf6 Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Andrew began his career by spending seven years in newspaper journalism. He then logged five years in higher-education marketing, co-managing a college website with a focus on video storytelling and fine-tuning email messaging to 18-year-olds. For the past 7 years, he's worked in B2B software, in marketing operations and then product marketing, with a focus on quantitative and qualitative customer research. He's started one customer advisory board and scaled two others, both in person and virtual, and strongly believes there's significant value in both approaches, for both customers and companies. Questions and topics we discussed in this interview include: What are the basics of customer research that marketers need to understand as they grow in their careers? When proposing the idea of a Customer Advisory Board (CAB), is it mainly to inform product marketing initiatives? Are there other areas of marketing and business overall that can benefit from the investment in a CAB? How should marketers identify and select the right members and determine the correct size for a Customer Advisory Board? What strategies can marketers use to keep CAB members engaged and active? How should the feedback process with CAB members be structured to ensure it's productive and actionable? What are some other common challenges businesses face when managing CABs, and how should marketers address them? How can marketers measure the success and impact of a Customer Advisory Board on product marketing initiatives? How do the role and operation of a CAB differ in startups versus established SaaS companies? Is there a specific stage in a business's life cycle where a CAB is more beneficial? How is the role of CABs expected to evolve in the next 5 to 10 years? And more! You can say hi to Andrew on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewgpetersen/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Andy Crestodina is the Co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, an award-winning digital agency based in Chicago. With 24 years of experience, Andy has guided over 1,000 businesses. He's authored "Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing" and has written hundreds of articles on content strategy, SEO, GA for AI, and visitor psychology.

Marina is a Content Marketing Specialist & Founder of the B2B Content Marketing agency Retold. With an extensive background in marketing, including content, social media, branding, and more, Marina opted for the agency approach after working in marketing leadership roles with companies in a number of different verticals. Today, she is passionate about bringing the power of storytelling and innovation into the world of content marketing to help companies solidify strategies that get results. Questions and topics we discussed in this interview include: The hardest part about being a marketing manager that people don't talk about enough Does written content still have a place in a marketing strategy (within video-first world)? What do people get wrong about thought leadership? How can marketers make it an effective part of a strategy? How to get your CEO featured in the media Skills Marina thinks marketers should focus on learning this year if they want to get better at B2B marketing What's been Marina's approach to collaborating with other content creators? And more! You can connect with Marina on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marina-krivonossova/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Aren Johnstone is the President and Owner of Franchise Ramp, a leading marketing agency in the franchising industry that partners with the world's top fitness and wellness franchise brands. During his senior year of high school at the age of 18, Aren bypassed multiple full-ride college scholarships to purchase his first company, an ecommerce business. By 19, he ventured into marketing and software consulting, hiring his first employee. By the age of 20, his team had grown to five, and he co-founded an agency specializing in media buying for top ecommerce brands, overseeing more than $100M in ad spend. In 2019, Aren joined Franchise Ramp to introduce cutting-edge marketing strategies from the Ecommerce world to the franchise industry. Since then, Franchise Ramp has served thousands of franchise locations and has been recognized on the Inc 5000 list for two consecutive years, achieving a notable #49 ranking in 2022. He is passionate about entrepreneurship and committed to developing products and businesses that address real-world challenges.  Aren's story of how he got started in business during his high school years by selling t-shirts and apparel in Tulsa and then by purchasing an online figure-staking store at 18 years old Aren's journey into Facebook advertising back in 2015 The specific challenges that come from marketing franchise businesses The basics of “hyper-local” ad targeting Ecomm vs franchising: the main differences in paid media strategies The essential skills needed to be a great media buyer The nuances behind high-performing performance creative (*now that's a mouthful hehe) Changes in performance marketing that brands need to be aware of And more! Here's the episode I mentioned about MasterMind groups, featuring Liz Scully - https://www.kennysoto.com/podcast/interview-liz-scully-could-a-mastermind-group-elevate-your-marketing-ep-14/ You can connect with Aren via email here - aren@franchiseramp.com You can say hi on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-johnstone/ You can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Over her career, Lindsay McGuire has contributed to the content functions at the largest credit union in Alabama, the most well-known nonprofit brand in the world, and a SaaS company that made five acquisitions within two years. Now as the Associate Director of Content & Campaigns at Goldcast, her days are spent overseeing and creating content around how B2B marketers can use events as one of their top revenue-driving channels. Her diverse background across various industries makes Lindsay a well-rounded content leader and a strategist who knows how to create a content engine, build relationships across teams, integrate holistic messaging, and think creatively while staying laser-focused on business goals. Questions and topics we covered include: Lindsay's method to recover from layoffs Ways marketers can improve their confidence on camera The lessons Lindsay has learned about marketing events and webinars by working at Goldcast? What's the right strategy for promoting and repurposing events? What are the keys to strong customer interviews? How can marketers leverage them to improve their brand's storytelling? And more! You can connect with Lindsay on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsayladeroute/ And you can find me on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com 

Amir Shahzeidi, Head of Demand Generation at Uscreen.tv and Host of the Beyond the Funnel podcast, combines deep SEO roots with a passion for driving growth. His expertise empowers brands and creators to thrive in the digital landscape, through strategic, revenue-centric marketing approaches. Questions and topics we covered in this episode include: The unique challenges you'll face when you're the first marketing hire  How does Amir define demand generation and how to properly measure it What does a marketer need to do after demand is generated? Examples of short-term marketing tactics that create the wrong incentives for businesses… Examples of vanity metrics we need to avoid as marketers and some of them aren't that obvious… What can marketing teams learn from creators? What has contributed the most to Amir's success at UScreen? What does Amir look for in new team members? And more! Connect with Amir on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amir-shahzeidi/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Two years after graduating from Harvard with a degree in Applied Math, I quit my corporate job to travel the world with my then girlfriend for 5 years. Together we visited over 60 countries. During that time I launched and exited from my first SaaS, NinjaOutreach, an influencer marketing platform. Nowadays I run Shortlist.io, a boutique digital marketing agency. Our team is 20 people strong and we work on cool problems. I've been on dozens of podcasts and my style is always to be engaging, energetic, and transparent - often focusing more on the realities and the failures than the highlights.  Questions and topics we covered include: The story of NinjaOutreach and what lessons do you take from that experience into the agency you manage today? The latest trends in link building, whether or not link building is still an effective way to increase rankings How to select websites (what's a good target what's a bad target) Behind the scenes look at your data from building thousands of links What to expect in terms of results (how long does it take to rank) When linkbuilding is most effective and who it's most effective for Google Generative Search experience, thoughts on how it will affect marketers? Go to SEO and MarTech tools… And more! Connect with Dave on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-schneider-8a693115/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Allie is currently the Growth Marketing Lead (formerly the Content Marketing Lead at the recording of this episode) at Sequel.io, a webinar platform that allows you to host events directly on your website. She lives and breathes SaaS start-up marketing after falling into the space while overseas and diving deeper into the realm of content.  Over the years she has become a huge advocate for killing bad B2B marketing and bringing life into every relationship, campaign, and content piece. Connect with her on LinkedIn for marketing insights & the best coffee beans to fuel your day! Questions and topics we covered include: The qualities in a team/company that Allie looks at before deciding to join them… Why it's ok to (and how to) evaluate a company's leadership team before accepting an offer What are the pros and cons of working directly under the founder/CEO? Why is it important to make yourself visible at work? How to do “Self Check-Ins” Why it's important to evaluate the product or service that a company is selling before accepting a job offer Should marketers specialize or be generalists? And more! Connect with Allie on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-smith223/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Bonus Resources Check out Allie's Job Search Tracker template: https://l.linklyhq.com/l/1jeDq  Check out her Career Goals template: https://l.linklyhq.com/l/1jeq5 Work Results template: https://l.linklyhq.com/l/1jeq1 Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Episode Summary:  Hosts Ken Roden and Erin Mills interview Andy Crestodina, co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media. They discuss the impact of AI on search and SEO, the future of AI in marketing, and how marketers can leverage AI tools to improve their content strategy. Andy shares insights on using AI for on-page optimization, link building, and gaining deeper insights from analytics data. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining a human touch in content creation and offers tips for validating and improving AI-generated content. The conversation also explores the potential of AI in sales enablement and the challenges of keeping up with AI advancements in marketing. 00:55 Generative AI Experiences 04:44 Guest Interview: Andy Crestodina on SEO and AI 06:09 AI's Impact on Search and SEO 23:48 Leveraging AI for Marketing and Sales 24:54 Optimizing Sales with AI Insights 27:18 AI in Content Creation and Strategy 30:03 Future of AI in Marketing 38:36 Practical AI Tips and Tools Key Takeaways: AI is disrupting the search experience with the rise of search generative experiences (SGEs) and the potential decline in traditional search usage. While AI can be useful for generating content ideas and optimizing on-page elements, marketers must add their expertise and personal touch to create memorable and impactful content. Marketers should focus on creating a strong digital footprint and getting their brand mentioned on various online platforms. AI may prioritize mentions with elevator pitches over high-domain authority links. AI can identify gaps in content and persona-based messaging, helping marketers create more targeted and relevant content.   About our Guest: Andy Crestodina: Co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, a digital agency specializing in web design and development. With 24 years of experience, Andy is an expert in SEO, content marketing, and conversion optimization. He is the author of "Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing." Notable Quotes: "AI is just another input. It's just another point of view. You can take it or leave it and move on." - Andy Crestodina "Be a person. Draw a line in the sand, plant a flag, have a point of view. Try that. You will sound different." - Andy Crestodina Resources: Orbit Media Digital Marketing Tips Newsletter Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing   Thank you for listening to the Future Craft Marketing Podcast. Please subscribe and give us a review if you enjoyed today's content. Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered advice. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are our own and do not represent those of any company or business we currently work for/with or have worked for/with in the past. Music: Far Away - MK2

Nathan Yeung has over 10+ years of experience advising B2B businesses on their marketing strategy. He has helped companies build their marketing teams from 0-1, delivering GTM deployments, and launching new products into the market.  “You know, 99% of the time marketing gets handcuffed…we have golden handcuffs.” Questions and topics we covered: How Nathan's past experience as a VP of Finance makes him a better marketing leader How would you suggest people find good marketers? How do we make ourselves a “good marketer?” What is the most important thing to know when it comes to implementing marketing as a function? How long does it take for marketing to become effective?  What's the #1 thing you would do in any company as a marketing leader? Paying for ops and paying for creative = why it's necessary How to build a marketing team from scratch How to avoid getting laid off as a marketer? Is it even possible? Connect with Nathan via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/yeungnathan/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Are you drowning in marketing advice? Data-driven strategies here, the latest social media trends there – it's enough to make your head spin. The truth is, that effective marketing goes beyond just following the latest fads. It takes a strategic approach that considers your unique audience and avoids the pitfalls of bias.Join us as we chat with marketing guru Andy Crestodina, co-founder of a top marketing agency. We'll explore how to navigate the complexities of the field, craft data-driven strategies that get results, and achieve the perfect balance between the art and science of marketing. You'll also learn how to build a strong personal brand and avoid burnout in this ever-changing landscape. Ditch the guesswork and unlock your marketing potential – tune in today!Learn more about Andy:Andy Crestodina is the co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, an award-winning 50-person digital agency in Chicago. Over the past 24 years, Andy has provided digital marketing advice to 1000+ businesses.Andy has written 600+ articles on content strategy, SEO, GA4, AI and visitor psychology. These articles reach more than three million readers each year. He's also the author of Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing.Andy gives up to 100 webinars and presentations per year and is a frequent repeat speaker at many of the top national marketing conferences.Andy's Links:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/Connect with Veronica on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vromney/If you're serious about advancing your career in marketing and you're looking for some personal insights into how then I invite you to schedule a free Pathway to Promotion call with me: https://pathwaycall.com/If you found value in today's episode, I would appreciate it if you could leave a rating and review.

In today's episode we're joined by special guests, Bianca Anderson and Andy Crestodina. Our conversation centers around the impact of algorithm updates on the future of content discovery; the practical strategies for navigating this evolving digital landscape and the importance of leveraging expertise within content teams to enable the evolution of content discovery. If as a business you're looking to build your authority online, this episode is for you.In this episode:07:42 Interjecting expertise - HubSpot checklist resource for content productivity.12:15 Reddit & Quora - trend leads to SEO changes.17:24 Content creation shifts to AI-driven information generation.19:42 How focusing on middle and bottom of funnel content can drive business KPIs.22:14 The importance of managing stakeholder expectations for traffic KPIs Resources mentioned in this episode:https://www.amsive.com/insights/author/lily-ray/https://searchengineland.com/author/barry-schwartz More about our guests: Experienced in both in-house and agency SEO, Bianca Anderson makes valuable contributions to driving innovation at HubSpot and has led the creation of HubSpot's EEAT Playbook. Bianca is also the Project Manager of the Blog Insights Report, which plays a crucial role in influencing 90% of all published or updated blog content. Connect with Bianca here: https://twitter.com/binksdoesseohttps://www.linkedin.com/in/bianca-anderson/ Andy Crestodina is the co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media, an award-winning 50-person digital agency in Chicago. Over the past 24 years, Andy has provided digital marketing advice to 1000+ businesses. Andy has written 600+ articles on content strategy, SEO, GA4, AI and visitor psychology. Connect with Andy here: www.orbitmedia.comhttps://www.youtube.com/orbitmediahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/ To find out more about us and the show visit https://internetmarketingpodcast.orgLike and subscribe so you never miss an episode, and leave us a comment if you enjoyed the show. Connect with us if you'd like to work with us, you'd like to feature on the podcast, or you have a guest or topic recommendation. Email kelvin@brightonseo.com or…https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvinnewman/https://twitter.com/kelvinnewman Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is a special episode of The People of Digital Marketing. In this episode, I talk briefly about the future of SEO. It's hard to predict what will happen in the future but, there are some things I'm willing to bet on (with actual money too) when it comes to how marketers will approach Search as a channel. What are your thoughts? How is your team preparing for the future when it comes to SEO?  You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Have you ever wondered why some of your content just doesn't perform as expected, no matter how much effort you put into it? Identification and management of content gaps often elude even the most experienced marketers, leading to wasted resources and missed opportunities. Traditionally, pinpointing these gaps has been a substantial challenge, requiring extensive analysis and sometimes leading to imprecise conclusions. Enter the power of Artificial Intelligence. AI isn't just transforming industries; it's revolutionizing how we analyze and optimize our marketing strategies, making it a critical tool for any marketer aiming for precision and effectiveness in their content planning. That's exactly what Andy Crestodina, our guest today and a seasoned digital marketing strategist, specializes in. As the Chief Marketing Officer and Co-Founder of Orbit Media Studios, Andy leverages AI not only to detect but also to fill the crucial gaps in content strategies effectively. With his two decades of insight, Andy will share powerful tactics that help marketers enhance their content's impact through smart, AI-driven decisions. AI in Marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton asked Andy Crestodina about: ✨ Understanding AI-Driven Content Gap Analysis: Learn how AI can illuminate hidden gaps in content strategies, enabling marketers to fine-tune their efforts for better engagement and effectiveness. ✨ Real-world Impact of AI on Marketing Outcomes: Gain insights from Andy's experiences on how employing AI to address content gaps has tangibly improved marketing results, providing a clear path for listeners to understand the potential ROI of incorporating AI tools. ✨ Demystifying AI in Content Marketing: Andy will address common myths and misconceptions about using AI in marketing, offering practical advice and tips for integrating AI into daily marketing practices responsibly and effectively. Learn more about Andy Crestodina Connect with Andy Crestodina on LinkedIn Connect with Andy Crestodina on X Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Orbit Media Studios, Inc. Magai Paul Roetzer Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman Jay Baer Ardath Albee LinkedIn Post on Commodity Content Agorapulse Explore past episodes of the AI in Marketing: Unpacked podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://www.thesocialmediahat.com/blog/filling-the-void-how-ai-identifies-and-closes-content-gaps-with-andy-crestodina/ Brought to you by The Social Media Hat - When One More Hat Is One Too Many. Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters. Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, Strategic Marketing Leader in AI and Data-Driven Solutions, international keynote speaker & author at The Social Media Hat. He has spent over a decade in digital marketing and brings an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you're interested in helping marketers with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike. Music by Tokay.

Justin consults, advises, and executes content distribution and repurposing strategies for growing SaaS companies and founders. He is the host of the Distribution First podcast and creator of the Content Repurposing Roadmap.  Questions and topics we covered include: Justin's origin story from experiencing a 2022 tech layoff to diving into solopreneurship How to manage creating content at scale Why is content distribution a challenge for most B2B businesses? The rookie mistakes Justin wishes he knew about before becoming a content marketer How Justin approaches repurposing podcast content (a “walkthrough” into how he thinks about marketing Justin's content marketing tools And more! Connect with Justin via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincsimon/  You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ You can check out Justin's newsletter here - https://news.justinsimon.co/ You can check out Justin's content repurposing course here - https://contentrepurposingroadmap.com/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

“No one will slap your hand for saying, ‘I want to hear from customers more often.'” Melissa Moody is a full-stack marketing executive and entrepreneur with a passion for user-first products, and a talent for creating clarity from chaos. Her background includes 14 years in large-partner marketing at Google, taking on her former role as CMO & Cofounder at SaaS startup Gated, and being the host of the “2 Pizza Marketing” Podcast for small-team marketers. She is also the Cofounder of Wednesday Women, which raises visibility for extraordinary women leaders and now the CEO of Match.so. Questions and topics we covered include: Lessons in marketing while working at Google The Founder/CMO dynamic The biggest challenge that comes from transitioning from expert IC to 1st-time marketing leader?  Why the marketing team needs to own research and development The value of customer advisory boards (CABs) Challenges of working within small marketing teams What Melissa has learned from hosting her own marketing podcast How to scale a network of advocates for your career growth What's the biggest challenge marketers are facing in 2024? And more! Connect with Melissa via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissammoody/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com Here's the episode with Alex Levin that I mentioned during the show - https://www.kennysoto.com/podcast/b2c-marketers-leverage-key-marketing-channel-alex-levin-episode-129/

Mike Grinberg is the Founder and CEO of Proofpoint Marketing. Mike Grinberg is a creative problem solver at heart, who happened to fall into marketing. The core problem Mike sees right now is technology and automation removing the human element from the way we build businesses and how we go-to-market. Mike believes that relationships are still the key to business success, and he's built his consulting business on people-first principles. Questions and topics we covered include: What's wrong with most GTM models today? Mike's definition of the buyer's journey as it stands in 2024 Defining Relationship-Led Growth How to get this GTM motion started? What's the core difference of general Sales-led and account-based GTM motions? How relationship-led growth supports other marketing functions. How AI could be incorporated  into Relationship-led GTM How to measure the success of this GTM strategy And more! Connect with Mike via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikegrinberg/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

“I think of content marketing as a contest of generosity, which is just sort of a beautiful thing in a lot of ways.” -Andy Crestodina   Andy Crestodina is the co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer of Orbit Media, an award-winning 50-person digital agency in Chicago. Over the past 23 years, Andy has provided digital marketing advice to 1000+ businesses. Andy has produced 593 articles and videos on content strategy, search engine optimization, visitor psychology, Analytics and most recently, AI. These articles reach more than three million readers each year. He's also the author of Content Chemistry: The Illustrated Handbook for Content Marketing. In this episode, Andy shares his 24-year content marketing journey and philosophy around generosity, while questioning some accepted storytelling notions.   Website: https://www.orbitmedia.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycrestodina/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crestodina/

Adrianna Vidal is a community manager and content marketer. She broke into tech in 2021 after working in retail and apartment leasing, and now works as a Community Marketing Manager at Bigeye, a data software company. She's a marketer just like you, trying to make her mark and succeed in her career. Questions and topics we covered include: Adrianna's story on how she became a marketer Her advice for marketers entering a new experience and how to “show up” on day one… Why should businesses care about building a community in the first place? What does the ideal community look like? What are the core differences for community building for individuals/creators and brands? Adrianna's approach to building her personal brand on LinkedIn How should marketers approach pivots in their careers? The core skills Adrianna's focusing on when it comes to career development as a marketer… And more! Connect with Adrianna via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianna-vidal/ You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Want to use organic content to grow your reach? Wondering what types of content create engagement the algorithm values? To explore the type of content that triggers massive reach on social media, I interview Andy Crestodina.Guest: Andy Crestodina | Show Notes: socialmediaexaminer.com/611Review our show on Apple Podcasts.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

If you're feeling overwhelmed and frustrated by the constant changes in user behavior and traffic channels and struggling to adapt your content marketing strategies, then you are not alone! The rise of AI and the evolving landscape of audience engagement can feel like an uphill battle, leaving you feeling lost and unsure of how to proceed. But fear not! There are effective ways to navigate this new era of content marketing and come out on top. In this episode of Marketing Speak, you'll dive into a captivating conversation with our guest Andy Crestodina. Andy's expertise shines as he shares valuable insights into the impact of AI on content marketing and the future of SEO. From the significance of thought leadership content to the evolving role of AI in content creation, Andy's deep understanding and practical examples make this episode a must-listen for content creators and marketers.  Whether you're looking to enhance content personalization, drive audience engagement, or stay competitive in an AI-dominated digital environment, Andy's insights provide strategic guidance for creating content that resonates with audiences and adds value. Tune in!

Leah Kovach Margolis is a growth marketer with 10+ years of experience growing revenue for pre-seed through series C companies. Currently, she's the Director of Demand Generation at Hypar, a generative design platform for the AEC industry. Outside of work, Leah recently wrapped up an MBA from the NYU Stern School of Business.  Questions and topics we covered include: How does someone get their first job in marketing? What interview questions should marketers be preparing for? What questions should marketers ask before taking a job? How does someone even succeed in their first marketing job? The unique challenges that come from marketing at different stages of a company's lifecycle  Being a generalist T-shaped marketer vs specializing Being more useful to the team—building institutional knowledge and industry know-how When is the right time to walk away from a company and move on? Should marketers get an MBA? And more! Connect with Leah via LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahkovach/  You can say hello to me on LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto/ Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com

Aside from “Artificial Intelligence,” what does “AI” stand for?   According to digital marketing expert Andy Crestodina of Orbit Media, it's: “Another Input.” And this second opinion, when trained right, is able to identify gaps that the human brain can't see, build personas, mimic your brand voice, and a whole lot more.  In this episode, Andy shares practical use cases for AI beyond content creation and design that will amp up your marketing impact. Tune in to this cutting edge conversation, previously aired as part of CMO Huddles Bonus Huddles, a monthly series featuring experts in AI, attribution, and more.   For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegade.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/