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In this episode, Rand Fishkin (co-founder of SparkToro and Moz) joins @Dan Baptiste to unpack major shifts in search-driven discovery, the rise of “zero-click” content, and the hard truths marketers must face in the process: traffic is a vanity metric and attribution is a dead-end.
Rand Fishkin joins Ross Hudgens to unpack the latest acronym craze—GEO, AEO, LEO—and why none may be necessary. They explore the origins of SEO, the rise (and fall) of inbound marketing, and how marketers can avoid falling into the trap of trend-chasing. From naming conventions to the real value of brand clarity, this is a conversation for anyone navigating search in the age of AI. Rand also shares a bold bet on AI's impact on jobs, reflects on his early days in the “promised land of SEO”—and discusses why “SEO for AI” might be the clearest path forward. Plus: Cooking games, Snack Bar Studios, and whether creating a new marketing category is ever worth the effort. Show Notes 0:08 – Why SEO has too many new acronyms 0:44 – The wild origin of SEO in Bend, Oregon 1:29 – Danny Sullivan, Circuit City, and the OG SEO crowd 2:54 – Who coined “zero-click search”? 3:29 – Why naming trends like GEO can hurt clarity 5:00 – Is GEO catching on because A16z backed it? 5:59 – Should we name this shift at all? 6:37 – Why "SEO for AI" is clearer than new acronyms 8:09 – Organic digital vs SEO vs paid—don't confuse your client 9:33 – Naming things doesn't always benefit the person who coined it 10:13 – Why SEO isn't in decline (despite the narrative) 11:07 – Google is still orders of magnitude bigger than any AI tool 12:34 – Rand bets $100K AI won't take half of all jobs 13:39 – “SEO for AI” has 100% clarity, unlike GEO or AEO 14:58 – GEO and AEO should be considered tags under SEO 16:07 – Simplifying your services for buyers: SEO still works 17:11 – SEO can carry baggage—but it's still foundational 18:20 – Organic growth as the category; SEO as the tactic 19:03 – The Snickers bar analogy for misaligned category tags 20:01 – Why HubSpot had the power to rebrand with inbound marketing 20:54 – Applying lessons from game tagging at Snack Bar Studios 22:16 – Final thoughts: ride the wave if you're Mars; otherwise, keep it clear 23:07 – Rand's AI/job displacement bet explained 24:53 – Revisiting his blockchain bet with Dharmesh from 2016 25:21 – What worries Rand more than AI? Government decisions 26:14 – Elon, politics, and the future of tech influence 26:22 – Snack Bar Studios: magical boars and carbonara 26:56 – Sparktoro and “Search Everywhere Optimization” 27:03 – Tagging the cooking game: chill action, story rich, 2D action 27:51 – Geraldine's writing brings it to life Show Link It's Still SEO (SparkToro Blog): (https://sparktoro.com/blog/its-still-seo-search-everywhere-optimization/](https://sparktoro.com/blog/its-still-seo-search-everywhere-optimization/) a16z: GEO Rewrites the Rules of Search: (https://a16z.com/geo-over-seo/) Rand's Game Studio: (https://snackbarstudio.com/](https://snackbarstudio.com/) Subscribe today for weekly tips: (https://bit.ly/3dBM61f](https://bit.ly/3dBM61f) Listen on iTunes: (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/content-and-conversation-seo-tips-from-siege-media/id1289467174) Listen on Spotify: (https://open.spotify.com/show/1kiaFGXO5UcT2qXVRuXjsM](https://open.spotify.com/show/1kiaFGXO5UcT2qXVRuXjsM) Listen on Google: (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9jT3NjUkdLeA) Follow Siege on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/siegemedia](http://twitter.com/siegemedia) Follow Ross on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/rosshudgens](http://twitter.com/rosshudgens) Directed by Cara Brown: (https://twitter.com/cararbrown](https://twitter.com/cararbrown) Email Ross: (ross@siegemedia.com](mailto:ross@siegemedia.com) #seo | #contentmarketing Subscribe today for weekly tips: https://bit.ly/3dBM61f Listen on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/content-and-conversation-seo-tips-from-siege-media/id1289467174 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1kiaFGXO5UcT2qXVRuXjsM Listen on Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9jT3NjUkdLeA Follow Siege on Twitter: http://twitter.com/siegemedia Follow Ross on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rosshudgens Directed by Cara Brown: https://twitter.com/cararbrown Email Ross: ross@siegemedia.com #seo | #contentmarketing
In this episode, Ross lays down the law on modern content distribution and why "hoping it goes viral" isn't a strategy. He breaks down the five most common mistakes marketers make with distribution, highlights the new reality of reaching audiences in the AI and multi-channel era, and walks you step-by-step through building a powerful, repeatable distribution system that delivers results. If you've been creating high-quality content but struggling to get it in front of the right audience, this episode gives you the system, mindset, and framework to turn things around. Key Takeaways and Insights: Hope Is NOT a Strategy Pressing “publish” is not enough to drive content success. Distribution is what transforms good content into great, high-impact content. If no one sees your content, it may as well not exist. 5 Common Distribution Mistakes Publish Once, Then Disappear Celebrate distribution, not just publishing. Implement a content distribution calendar to continuously share and promote assets. Relying on a Single Channel Multi-channel presence is essential to stay top of mind and generate multiple touch points. Don't stick to just LinkedIn or X — explore YouTube, Reddit, newsletters, Slack groups, and more. Assuming Organic Reach is Guaranteed Social and SEO algorithms don't owe you visibility. Use rented platforms to build owned ones (e.g., newsletters), and pair organic with smart paid amplification. Not Repurposing Content A blog post should become a LinkedIn carousel, a video, a thread on X, a newsletter, etc. Embrace the mantra: Create Once, Distribute Forever. Failure to Track Performance You can't optimize what you don't measure. Use tools like GA4, HubSpot, Ahrefs, etc., to analyze what's working. How to Build a Real Distribution System Audience & Content Market Fit Research Understand who your audience is, their interests, pain points, and where they hang out online. Go beyond business competitors — study top-performing content in other niches (MrBeast, Yoga with Adriene, etc.) to understand attention mechanics. Create a High-Value Pillar Asset Choose a format (blog post, video, case study, podcast, etc.). This asset will form the nucleus of your distribution efforts. Repurpose & Atomize Break your pillar asset into quotes, clips, carousels, threads, email snippets, and more for long-term promotion. Define Distribution Across PESO Paid (ads, boosts) Earned (press, influencer shares) Shared (social, communities) Owned (newsletter, blog) Measure Everything & Iterate Use data to guide future efforts and content decisions. Recommended tools: Google Analytics 4, HubSpot, Ahrefs, SparkToro, UTM dashboards, and Distribution.AI. Resources & Tools:
In this captivating episode of the Startup CEO Show, host Mark MacLeod sits down with Rand Fishkin, co-founder and CEO of SparkToro, for a candid conversation about entrepreneurship, venture capital, and building successful businesses. Rand, best known for founding Moz and his influential role in the SEO industry, shares invaluable insights from his journey as a founder and thought leader.The discussion delves into the pros and cons of building a personal brand as a CEO, with Rand reflecting on how his own high profile impacted Moz both positively and negatively. He offers a refreshing perspective on the venture capital world, discussing why he now advocates for alternative funding models that prioritize sustainable growth over hypergrowth. Rand also provides a fascinating look at his current ventures, including SparkToro and Snackbar Studio, explaining how he's applying lessons learned from Moz to build more balanced, founder-friendly companies.This episode is a must-listen for entrepreneurs, marketers, and anyone interested in the realities of building and scaling startups in today's competitive landscape. Tune in to gain actionable advice from one of tech's most respected voices and learn why sometimes the path less traveled leads to greater success and fulfillment.-------------------------------------------Since 1999, I have sat at the right-hand side of the leaders of high growth technology companies as either a CFO, VC or deal maker. I served as CFO for software companies including Shopify (NYSE: SHOP) and Freshbooks. As a CFO I experienced outright failures, wildly profitable exits, and everything in between.I was a General Partner in Real Ventures, Canada's largest and most active seed stage fund. My investments there include the fund's largest cash on cash and highest IRR returns to date. Most recently, I founded SurePath Capital Partners the leading investment bank for SMB SaaS companies where we did hundreds of millions in financing and exit transactions.Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/themarkmacleod/Contact Mark: https://markmacleod.me/
What's really happening in digital marketing today? On the latest episode of Talking Too Loud, Savage and Sylvie bring in Rand Fishkin—legendary strategist, founder of SparkToro, and indie game creator—for an unfiltered reality check. From the steep decline of web traffic and the end of easy SEO wins, to the explosive rise of AI-driven answers and zero-click marketing, find out why old playbooks no longer cut it and what brands need to do to survive. Links to Learn More:Follow Rand Fiskin on LinkedInFollow Savage on LinkedInSubscribe to Talking Too Loud on WistiaWatch on YouTubeFollow Talking Too Loud on InstagramFollow Talking Too Loud on TikTokLove what you heard? Leave us a review!On AppleOn Spotify
Rand Fishkin, Cofounder and CEO of SparkToro, shows you how to avoid the Google/Facebook duopoly to easily and honestly find your audience where they like to consume information and how they like to receive it to make your brand storytelling more impactful. Improve your storytelling immediately with my The ABTs of Agile Communications™ quick online course. Grab your copy of The Narrative Gym for Business, a short guide on crafting ABTs for all of your communications. Read Brand Bewitchery: How to Wield the Story Cycle System™ to Craft Spellbinding Stories for Your Brand. #StoryOn! ≈Park
Rand Fishkin—founder of Moz, cofounder of SparkToro, and now leading indie game studio Snackbar—joins us to talk about what it really takes to build a brand people care about. From disrupting the SEO world to rethinking audience research, Rand shares how transparency, community, and a bit of rebellion have shaped every step of his journey. We dig into why most marketers get audience targeting wrong, how SparkToro is fixing it, and what launching a video game has in common with startup life. Plus, Rand opens up about burnout, honesty in branding, and why Lost and Founder struck a nerve with so many entrepreneurs.If you're in marketing, startups, or just like hearing from someone who tells it like it is—this one's for you.
I would very like to get a review from you. Please send a note to me. Thanks, Peter! like to much appreciate a review from you!! Thank you!Are you ready for the technological revolution reshaping public relations in 2025? The landscape is transforming at breakneck speed, and those who adapt will thrive while others struggle to remain relevant.Sally Falkow, a social media strategist with over 30 years of experience, talks with host Peter Woolfolk as she pulls back the curtain on five critical trends every PR professional must master. With her deep expertise in digital PR and technology, Sally provides actionable insights that cut through the noise and highlight what truly matters.Gone are the days of broad-stroke messaging. Today's successful PR demands precision audience research using sophisticated tools that identify micro-segments within your target demographics. Sally reveals how platforms like SparkToro enable unprecedented depth of audience understanding, allowing for hyper-targeted communication strategies that genuinely resonate.The conversation explores how authentic storytelling continues to be the backbone of effective PR, but with crucial modern twists. "If a brand tells me they're the best thing since sliced bread, well of course they would," Sally notes, explaining why personal narratives and multimedia approaches have become essential for building trust in an increasingly skeptical world.Perhaps most provocatively, Sally challenges common fears about AI replacing PR jobs with a powerful insight: "AI won't take your job - but the PR person who really knows how to use AI will." She breaks down practical applications for artificial intelligence in PR work, from content creation to sentiment analysis, while emphasizing the continued importance of human expertise.The discussion also tackles the evolution of online visibility strategies as Google transforms from a search engine to an "answer engine," and why measurement analytics can no longer be optional for PR professionals seeking C-suite respect.Whether you're a seasoned PR veteran or just starting your career, this episode provides the strategic framework needed to navigate the rapidly changing technological landscape of public relations. Listen now to ensure your PR approach remains cutting-edge in 2025 and beyond.New world podcast ranking Information on NEW podcast website.Support the showNewsletter link: https://www.publicrelationsreviewpodcast.com
Ross welcomes back Rand Fishkin, co-founder of SparkToro and longtime marketing thought leader, for a candid conversation about the evolution of search, audience research, and the shifting tides of digital marketing. Rand shares insights on why SEO's golden age is behind us, why influence—not traffic—should be marketers' primary focus, and how PR is making a major comeback. He also discusses SparkToro's growth, lessons from launching an indie video game company, and why understanding audience behavior is more critical than ever. Show Notes: 00:00 Welcome Back, Rand! 01:10 Reflections on Lost and Founder 02:37 The importance of timing and market demand 06:48 Venture Capital and Market Trends 14:34 The Changing Reputation of SEO 19:27 AI, Search, and Zero-Click Results 28:58 Influence Over Traffic 38:46 How to Prioritize Marketing Channels 43:42 The Rise of Digital PR 49:51 The Future of Search and Content Show Links: SparkToro https://sparktoro.com/blog/traffic-is-down-revenue-is-up/ SparkTogether 2025 https://sparktoro.com/sparktogether Rand's Blog “Traffic Is Down; Revenue Is… Up?" https://sparktoro.com/ Subscribe today for weekly tips: https://bit.ly/3dBM61f Listen on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/content-and-conversation-seo-tips-from-siege-media/id1289467174 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1kiaFGXO5UcT2qXVRuXjsM Listen on Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9jT3NjUkdLeA Follow Siege on Twitter: http://twitter.com/siegemedia Follow Ross on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rosshudgens Directed by Cara Brown: https://twitter.com/cararbrown Email Ross: ross@siegemedia.com Subscribe today for weekly tips: https://bit.ly/3dBM61f Listen on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/content-and-conversation-seo-tips-from-siege-media/id1289467174 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1kiaFGXO5UcT2qXVRuXjsM Listen on Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9jT3NjUkdLeA Follow Siege on Twitter: http://twitter.com/siegemedia Follow Ross on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rosshudgens Directed by Cara Brown: https://twitter.com/cararbrown Email Ross: ross@siegemedia.com #seo | #contentmarketing
Digital isn't what it used to be and neither is marketing. In this episode of Smarter Marketer, James welcomes back industry legend Rand Fishkin, Co-Founder and CEO of Sparktoro, to cut through the noise as they discuss the flawed logic of traditional attribution models, the pitfalls of over-relying on Google and the importance of audience-first marketing to future-proof your digital strategy.Key Takeaways:Zero-click searches and AI Search tools - Where is traffic going?The AI hype cycle - Why most marketers are chasing the wrong trendsSEO and digital PR strategies - When and why it's vital to invest in PRThe hidden challenges of AI data sources and what they mean for marketersHow to find and engage your ideal customers through audience researchThe evolution of social media - How platforms like Facebook, LinkedIn and TikTok are shiftingPrivacy, data collection and attribution - Why traditional tracking models are failingBrand awareness vs paid advertising - How to strike the right balanceGuest:Rand Fishkin is the co-founder and CEO of SparkToro, a leading audience research software company helping brands discover where their target customers engage online. Prior to founding SparkToro, Rand was the co-founder of Moz, where he built one of the most influential SEO communities in the world.He's also the author of Lost and Founder, a candid look at the startup world and a frequent speaker at global marketing conferences. You can follow Rand on LinkedIn.Find Us Online:James Lawrence LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslawrenceoz/ Smarter Marketer Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/smarter-marketer-podcast Rocket Agency Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/ Rocket Agency LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rocket-agency-pty-ltd/Buy Smarter Marketer:Hardcover: https://amzn.to/30O63kg Kindle: https://amzn.to/2ZqfCWm About the Podcast:This is the definitive podcast for Australian marketers. Join Rocket Agency Co-Founder and best-selling author, James Lawrence in conversation with marketers, leaders, and thinkers about what it takes to be a smarter and more successful marketer.
How can marketers use data effectively without getting completely lost in the numbers?In this episode of the DMI podcast, host Will Francis sits down with Eli Goodman, CEO and founder of Datos, a company specializing in clickstream data. They discuss how anonymous, large-scale data can help marketers better understand consumer behavior, how marketing attribution is evolving, and why nonlinear customer journeys are often misunderstood.Eli also shares his founder journey, from launching Datos during the pandemic to its acquisition by Semrush in 2023. Datos is also the provider of data to SparkToro, run by Rand Fishkin who came on the podcast during 2024.What you'll learn:What clickstream data is and why it matters for marketersThe biggest misconceptions about marketing attributionHow brands can measure the real impact of their contentWhy nonlinear consumer journeys challenge traditional analyticsHow data-driven marketers should think about AIThe key lessons Eli learned from growing and selling a startupEli also shares insights on the future of data privacy, why marketers should think beyond last-click attribution, and how AI is reshaping both creativity and analytics in marketing.00:06 – Introduction00:40 – What is Datos and how does it use clickstream data?03:08 – Understanding consumer behavior through anonymized data06:17 – The challenge of marketing attribution and nonlinear journeys10:36 – Why correlation matters as much as causation14:01 – The biggest surprises marketers discover in their data19:21 – Data vs. creative decision-making in marketing24:04 – AI's impact on both data analysis and creative work35:54 – Eli's founder journey and the early days of Datos41:23 – From startup to acquisition: Lessons in scaling a business45:41 – Advice for marketers: Using data effectively without over-relying on it49:55 – Where to find Eli online------------------------The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our website, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.Check out the DMI's extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, webinars, guides, templates, and more! Join for free today.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review so others can find us!
Is Google stealing your traffic? In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, I sit down with Rand Fishkin, co-founder and CEO of SparkToro and one of the most influential voices in SEO and digital marketing. We dive into the rise of the zero-click internet—where 60% of Google searches end without a click—and what this means for your SEO strategy, content marketing, and online visibility. Rand shares expert insights on how businesses can adapt, build influence beyond Google, and thrive in a world where search engines and social platforms are keeping users on their sites. Don't miss this deep dive into the future of search engine optimization and marketing strategy! Today we discussed: [00:00] Opening [00:09] Introducing Jane McCarthy [00:44] What are Goddess Archetypes? [05:37] Identifying your Brand's Goddess Archetype [08:56] Using your Archetype to Find the Right Talent [12:05] Brands That Embody Goddess Archetypes [16:34] How to Approach Goddess Archetypes [18:44] Figuring out the Heart of your Brand More About Rand Fishkin Rand Fishkin's website - https://sparktoro.com Connect with Rand Fishkin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today!
In this episode, we speak with Rand Fishkin, CEO and Co-Founder of SparkToro, former co-founder and CEO of Moz, co-founder of Inbound.org, and author of the book “Lost and Founder.” We discuss important SEO topics and trends, including his 2024 Zero-Click Search Study
Rand Fishkin, founder of SparkToro and former co-founder of Moz, takes us through the evolution of digital marketing. From the concept of "zero-click marketing" to why traditional traffic-focused metrics are becoming less relevant in today's digital landscape, the conversation explores how major platforms are keeping users within their ecosystems, making it harder to drive external traffic, and why marketers need to adapt their strategies accordingly. Fishkin also discusses SparkToro's approach to audience research and provides insights on measuring marketing success in an era where direct attribution is increasingly challenging. The episode focuses on:The shift from traffic-based marketing to influence-based marketingHow to measure marketing success without traditional click metricsUnderstanding audience behavior through SparkToro's data analysisThe impact of AI and language models on marketing analyticsModern approaches to content marketing and audience engagement
This episode of The Forget the Funnel Podcast is a must-listen for B2B SaaS founders and teams ready to unlock the power of segmentation. Gia tackles the critical importance of segmentation in driving targeted marketing, better customer experiences, and scalable growth strategies. If your team targets more than one customer segment but struggles to go from data overload to building segmented experiences that actually drive revenue growth, this episode is for you.In this episode, you'll learn:Why segmentation is essential for improving engagement and conversion rates.How understanding customer Jobs-to-be-Done leads to more effective demographic and firmographic segmentation.Why prioritizing multiple segments can be tricky for teams and how to focus your efforts.Actionable steps to iterate and improve your segmentation over time.Packed with practical advice and real-world examples, this episode will leave you with clear strategies available to you to get more from the marketing you're already doing and based on opportunities that you have today. If you have any questions you can connect with Georgiana Laudi (Gia) on LinkedIn. Visit us at forgetthefunnel.com, and don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast. Tune in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or watch on YouTube.Chapters[00:00] Introduction: Why most segmentation strategies fail SaaS teams.[02:15] Gia's take on the biggest misconception about segmentation.[08:45] Deep dive on segmentation strategies from awareness all the way to expansion and upsell.[17:50] The connection between segmentation and customer retention.[22:10] Tailored onboarding: How to get it right for multiple segments.[32:35] The iterative process: How to refine and improve your segmentation over time.LinksPrev Ep: https://youtu.be/q_mKOtt-vg0?si=IEqNXm-Nm3lEBQ0gLinkedIn Article - ICP vs Personas vs Jobs-to-be-Done https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/unlocking-scale-strategic-customer-segmentation-georgiana-laudi-z769f/SparkToro: https://sparktoro.com/ Follow Georgiana on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgianalaudi/ Check out the Forget the Funnel website: https://forgetthefunnel.com/
Amanda Natividad is VP of Marketing at SparkToro. She's also a contributor for Adweek, a Le Cordon Bleu-trained chef, and a former journalist. Dave and Amanda catch up after Amanda's return to work after having her second child, talk about trends they are seeing in B2B marketing today and what Amanda's seen work at SparkToro (including email strategy and LinkedIn). Plus they talk about the path to CMO - and why Amanda enjoys being a team of one.Timestamps(00:00) - - Webinar Promotion Without Links and Returning to Work After Maternity Leave. (07:39) - - The Emotional Impact of Parental Leave. (10:15) - - Navigating Career Paths in Marketing. (13:45) - - SparkToro's Audience Research Tool and Growth Strategy. (16:06) - - VP of Marketing at SparkToro: Managing Top-of-Funnel, Organics, and Events. (20:46) - - Rethinking the pursuit of status in business. (23:45) - - Contemplating financial gains and their true value. (26:36) - - Prioritizing time over extra income for happiness. (32:52) - -Transitioning from Consulting to Content Business: The Evolution of Exit Five. (35:27) - - The challenges and potential rewards of solopreneurship. (37:42) - - Navigating Hiring and Trust in a Small Team (41:31) - - Strategic Email Marketing at Sparktoro: Balancing Frequency and Impact. (44:32) - - Sparktoro's Email Strategy: Quality over Quantity and List Management Tactics. (46:34) - - The challenge of balancing marketing strategies. (51:51) - - Optimizing LinkedIn Strategy: Pinning Comments and Zero-Click Content. (53:58) - - Embedding Webinar Links in Blog Posts for Engagement (56:19) - - Closing Thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Revenue Hero. It's 2024, your buyer has probably moved on to an alternative after a few minutes of not hearing from you, let alone 29 hours.What those companies need is automated scheduling for qualified leads.And that's where RevenueHero comes in. Their platform is the fastest way for qualified leads to schedule a meeting with your sales team. Plus they have the most sophisticated matching algorithm so all your leads get booked with the right rep whether they are a new account or already a customer. Check them out at revenuehero.io/exitfive.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
Our guest this week almost needs no introduction!Setting aside the fanboying from us, our guest share some real marketing wisdom that we're sure everyone can benefit from!Rand Fishkin, probably well known to most of our listeners, is the founder of SparkToro - an audience research tool that we'll get into more in the episode. He's also the Cofounder of Moz, one of the world's largest SEO companies.He and the team at SparkToro are doing amazing things to help the little guys when it comes to audience research and doing the type of marketing that just doesn't work for the big boys in town. And that's a good thing!He generously share some of his view points, which we couldn't agree more with here at The B2B Playbook.Some key highlights:Paid channels' incentive right now is attribution, not conversion!Demand generation is infuriatingly hard, if not impossible to measure. So that's why most marketers don't do it, and as a result it's a huge opportunity because costs are low and inventory is high.Personas can be limiting, as they often don't reflect the breadth of people within a collective group. They should be broad and diverse, but they'll still allow you to understand where they get their information from and how the groups are made up. That type of personas are truly useful.When you change the fundamental question at the core of your marketing strategy, you open up the possibility for a more effective, long term and valuable relationship. When that transactional nature fades into the background and a value giving relationship is had, lots of things improve. Think of a tinder relationship vs meeting someone through friends.A ton to learn from classic marketing thinking, but the world is nuanced and requires a tailored approach.Value building events offline, particularly small ones, are immensely satisfying and rewarding.Tune into this week's episode for more!Links To Mentioned Resources:https://twitter.com/randfishhttps://sparktoro.com/You can find more helpful content and resources at theb2bplaybook.com. Sign up to our newsletter for the latest news and summary of the best content.If you enjoy the podcast. Would you kindly consider leaving a short review? It takes only a minute and helps make a big difference in getting those amazing guests! We also love getting your insights by reading the reviews!
Send us a textIn this episode, we dive into groundbreaking new research about how people actually use Google in 2024, analyzing SparkToro's data from 133,000 real users that challenges conventional wisdom about search behavior. Plus, we discuss the growing adoption of AI search tools, and explore OpenAI's new Sora video model.____________________________________________Hosts: Mark Webster & Gael BretonFull show notes:https://www.authorityhacker.com/podcasts/352-something-is-happening-to-the-way-people-use-google/____________________________________________A special thanks to our sponsors for this episode, Digital PR Agency, Digital PR:https://digital.pr/____________________________________________Looking for 100s of more episodes like these?Check out our main YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/AuthorityHackerOr visit our podcast page: https://www.authorityhacker.com/podcast/____________________________________________► Learn our secret “lazy” affiliate hack that could earn up to $100/Day:https://www.authorityhacker.com/freebies/free-training/► Subscribe: bit.ly/2QB51kf to learn more secret authority site tips.► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/authorityhacker/► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/authorityhacker► Twitter: https://x.com/authorityhacker/► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authorityhacker/____________________________________________Looking to expand your remote team in the next year?Save yourself the hassle of trying to find good candidates, and use our recruitment company to lock in team members that are ready to add value from Day 1 - for a fraction of the price you'd pay locally.Did we mention that it's 100%-risk free?Book a call with Marketing Pros for any of your recruitment needs today:
Episode Summary In this Onbase episode, Justine Davis, Head of Marketing at Postman, shares her journey from hospitality marketing to leading high-performing teams in tech, offering insights on building go-to-market (GTM) strategies. She emphasizes the importance of aligning sales, marketing, and product teams through data-driven decisions, internal collaboration, and empathy for organizational change. Justine discusses adapting to shifts in marketing attribution, such as the decline of third-party cookies and highlights tools like Salesforce, Looker, and SparkToro as essential for staying competitive. She also underscores the value of curiosity, leadership, and strategic planning in navigating future challenges, offering practical advice for scalable success in B2B marketing. About the guest Justine Davis is Head of Marketing at API platform Postman. She previously served as the Head of Marketing for Atlassian's Agile and DevOps suite of products. With over 9 years of experience working with DevOps teams and tools, Justine is passionate about solving the needs of customers. Outside of work Justine is a mom, avid reader, and loves to close the move goal rings in sunny Scottsdale, AZ on her Apple Watch. Connect with Justine Davis Key takeaways - Conduct a listening tour to understand team dynamics, customer needs, and current successes to shape a data-driven strategy. - Align with sales, product, and data teams by addressing their priorities and showing how the strategy supports shared goals. - Transition to server-side tracking for accurate attribution and compliance with evolving privacy regulations like GDPR. - Hire experienced professionals for new functions to quickly establish processes and build team capability. - Focus on professional domain sign-ups for PLG and pipeline velocity for enterprise strategies to track success. - Foster curiosity and cross-functional collaboration to drive innovation and align teams with shared objectives. Quotes "Trust is built by aligning our goals with those of sales, product, and data teams, fostering a collaborative environment where strategies support shared objectives." Recommended Resource Podcast: - All-In Podcast: A resource for staying updated on general tech trends.macroeconomic trends, industry developments, and insights into the future of AI. - Lenny's Podcast: A go-to for practical and actionable advice on product management, growth, and startups. - Remarkable Marketing Podcast: Focused on effective marketing strategies and trends. - Prof G Podcast: A great choice for insights into tech, marketing, and business strategies Connect with Justine Davis | Follow us on LinkedIn | Website
New Study on How People Use Google & More Digital Marketing News | Marketing O'Clock Episode 360 Thank You WIX - https://www.wix.com/studio?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=21462361366%5E163743892319%5Esearch%20-%20wix&experiment_id=wix%20studio%5Ee%5E705492123560%5E&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwEfwUMpDXmYdfv91nJFx6ZWddLg&gclid=Cj0KCQiAu8W6BhC-ARIsACEQoDCVNZ6IWRjX-9KvrM65Fo9r3cB-cc38SE8KxeUEs1FTdLn7cixHS4caAi5vEALw_wcB This week on Marketing O'Clock, new insights from SparkToro reveal how users are changing the way they search on Google. Plus, the latest on the November 2024 Core Update, lots of ad tests spotted in the SERPs, & all the digital marketing news you missed this week! Also, we're still really mad about Page Annotations. Visit us at - https://marketingoclock.com/
Before you sell to customers, you have to find them, but where do you look for your ideal clients? It starts with the places you frequently visit because serving like-minded individuals is your most powerful position. Then, it's always helpful to ask the right questions, lean on other industry leaders, and listen to podcasts as you utilize every online search box you come across. Lastly, Google Alerts is your best friend for staying informed on your clientele's movements, and similarly, SparkToro will help you connect the dots between certain topics and the people who follow them.
Georgiana is a strategic advisor, author and speaker who's passionate about turning customer value into revenue-generating outcomes. Marketing online since 2000, she began her track record as a marketing executive and product growth advisor in 2010 working with high-growth, B2B SaaS like Unbounce, Sprout Social, Bitly, Appcues, SparkToro, Invoice Simple and more. Questions and topics we covered in this interview include: The origins of Forget The Funnel (and why funnels are bad for business) What Customer-Led Growth is and why it comes before all other growth models (like product-led, sales-led, marketing-led, or community-led) How do marketers begin to learn from their customers? What's the best way to collect product feedback? What's the best way to implement that feedback? + How does marketing champion and facilitate this process with other departments? You're a prolific advisor to several big name startups, what does it take to become one? Georgiana's advice on how to become a startup advisor And more! Important Links You can say hello to Georgiana on LinkedIn here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgianalaudi/ You can find me on LinkedIn here- https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennysoto Get her book on Customer-Led Growth™ here - https://www.forgetthefunnel.com/customer-led-growth/book Check out her podcast with cofounder Claire Suellentrop here - https://pod.link/1713510690 Past guests of The People of Digital Marketing include April Dunford, Amanda Goetz, Melissa Rosenthal, Bill Macaitis, Miruna Dragomir, Andrew Capland, Erik Newton, Andy Crestodina, Sarah Bedrick, Michael Wieder, Dan McGaw, Kathleen Booth, Foti Panagiotakopoulos, Tommy Walker, Lea Pica, Maya Grossman, Sara Pion, Margaret Kelsey, and more. Music for this podcast comes from www.davidcuttermusic.com
Sign Up For The Newsletter: https://jonathanraymond.com/#newsletter In this episode, Jonathan Raymond sits down with Rand Fishkin, founder of Moz and Sparktoro, for a deep and candid conversation about entrepreneurship, leadership, and personal growth. Rand opens up about his journey from scaling Moz, dealing with the pressures of venture capital, to his new ventures in audience research and indie game development. They discuss mental health, the challenges of being a young tech founder, and how childhood experiences shape leadership styles. Rand shares the hard lessons learned from his battle with depression, stepping back from Moz, and the importance of emotional maturity and vulnerability in business. This episode is packed with insights on navigating the highs and lows of startup life, building a more diverse and inclusive team, and balancing personal well-being with the demands of entrepreneurship. Whether you're a founder, leader, or simply interested in personal development, this conversation offers powerful lessons on growth, healing, and finding success in your own way. About Rand: Rand Fishkin is cofounder and CEO of SparkToro, makers of fine audience research software, and indie game developer Snackbar Studio. He's dedicated his professional life to helping people do better marketing through his writing, videos, speaking, and his book, Lost and Founder. When Rand's not working, he's usually cooking a fancy meal for the love of his life, author Geraldine DeRuiter. https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin https://x.com/randfish https://sparktoro.com/ Try Ren, our AI Accountability Platform: https://rencoach.com/ Get the FREE Good Authority Audiobook: https://jonathanraymond.com/audiobook/
Are digital marketing conferences right for you? Wix's Mordy Oberstein and Crystal Carter alongside Sparktoro's VP of Marketing, Amanda Natividad, help you decide if you're ready to board the digital marketing conference train. Plus, the founder of Brighton SEO's international conference series, Kelvin Newman, joins to discuss securing a speaking role at a conference. Still unsure if digital marketing conferences will pay off? Tune in this week as the experts help you decide on episode 101 of the SERP's Up SEO Podcast! Key Segments [00:01:38] What's On This Episode of SERP's Up? [00:02:59] Focus Topic of the Week: Digital Marketing Conferences [00:03:19] Focus Topic Guest: Amanda Natividad [00:27:28] Across the Wixverse w/ Kelvin Newman [00:40:02] Snappy News [00:53:46] Follow of the Week Hosts, Guests, & Featured People: Mordy Oberstein Crystal Carter Amanda Natividad Kelvin Newman Cheryl Draper Resources: Wix SEO Learning Hub Searchlight SEO Newsletter SEO Resource Center It's New: Daily SEO News Series Rankix Wix App Sparktoro BrightonSEO News: My Interview Of Google's Search Liaison On The August 2024 Core Update
⚡ Book your free 20-minute digital product strategy call with me and discover how to boost your income in Q4! ⚡ In today's episode of The Blogger Genius Podcast, I'm talking to Rand Fishkin, the founder of SparkToro and a leading expert in digital marketing and SEO. In May 2024 there was a significant Google search documentation leak, and the documents were actually leaked to Rand. The documents provide a rare glimpse into how Google ranks content and what the challenges are that smaller blogs and businesses face in gaining visibility. If you are trying to understand how SEO works today, this is a must-listen to episode. Show Notes: MiloTreeCart Book a FREE 20-minute call with me Write Your Ebook with These 13 AI Prompts SparkToro MiloTree Pop-Up Join My Blogger Genius Email List Become a Blogger Genius Facebook Group All Blogger Genius Podcast Episodes Subscribe to the Blogger Genius Podcast: iTunes YouTube Spotify Understanding Google's Algorithm: Key Takeaways The Complexity of Google's Ranking System Rand reveals that the leaked documents are not SEO guidelines but rather API documentation detailing the engineering behind Google's ranking system. This documentation includes around 14,000 unique features that contribute to how Google ranks content across its platforms, including search and YouTube. While the leak provides insights into what factors Google considers, it does not reveal the weight or importance of each factor in the ranking process. Actionable Advice: Focus on Quality Content: Given the complexity of Google's ranking system, it's crucial to prioritize high-quality, relevant content that meets the needs of your audience. Diversify Your Content: Consider creating content across various formats, such as blog posts, videos, and infographics, to increase your chances of ranking well on different platforms. Brand Mentions and YouTube Transcripts One surprising finding from the leak is Google's use of brand mentions in YouTube transcripts as a ranking factor. Frequent mentions of a brand in relevant videos can positively influence rankings. Actionable Advice: Leverage Video Content: Create YouTube videos that mention your brand and relevant keywords. Ensure your videos are well-optimized with accurate transcripts. Collaborate with Influencers: Partner with YouTube influencers to mention your brand in their videos, increasing your brand's visibility and potential ranking. Discounting Low-Quality Links Google's method of discounting low-quality links based on Chrome traffic is another interesting point. If users do not click on a link, it is deemed less valuable, effectively reducing the impact of spammy links. Actionable Advice: Build High-Quality Backlinks: Focus on acquiring backlinks from reputable websites that drive genuine traffic to your site. Monitor Your Link Profile: Regularly audit your backlink profile to identify and disavow low-quality or spammy links. The Role of Social Media Links While Google has historically downplayed the importance of social signals, the documentation suggests that links from platforms like Instagram can be valuable if they drive traffic to a website. Actionable Advice: Optimize Social Media Profiles: Ensure your social media profiles are optimized with links to your website and relevant content. Engage on Social Media: Actively engage with your audience on social media platforms to drive traffic to your website. Strategies for Smaller Blogs and Businesses Finding Untapped Channels Rand suggests that smaller businesses should seek out channels and sources of influence that their competitors are not targeting. These avenues are often harder to measure, which is why larger companies tend to overlook them. Actionable Advice: Public Relations: Focus on PR efforts, such as getting featured in local media, niche podcasts, and industry blogs. Collaborations: Partner with smaller brands and influencers to reach new audiences. Building Brand Recognition Rand shares his experience with SparkToro, explaining that they have built their brand by participating in podcasts, webinars, and conferences, rather than relying heavily on SEO or traditional advertising. Actionable Advice: Participate in Industry Events: Attend and speak at industry conferences, webinars, and podcasts to build your brand's recognition. Content Collaborations: Collaborate with other brands and influencers to create co-branded content that reaches a wider audience. Embracing Zero-Click Content The concept of "zero-click content" focuses on being present on social media platforms without necessarily driving traffic back to a website. Building brand loyalty and trust is crucial, especially in an age where AI-generated content is becoming more prevalent. Actionable Advice: Engage on Social Media: Create engaging content for social media platforms that builds brand loyalty and trust. Focus on Value: Provide valuable content that resonates with your audience, even if it doesn't drive immediate traffic to your website. The Importance of Personal Branding and Audience Research Aligning Your Personal Brand Rand emphasizes the importance of aligning your personal brand with your audience's interests. Visualize a Venn diagram where one circle represents your passions and beliefs, while the other represents your audience. The overlap is where you should focus your content creation, product development, and messaging. Actionable Advice: Define Your Brand: Clearly define your brand's values, mission, and unique selling points. Know Your Audience: Conduct audience research to understand their interests, needs, and pain points. Conducting Audience Research Rand advocates for deep audience research, including surveys and interviews, to uncover common themes and challenges your audience faces. Actionable Advice: Surveys and Interviews: Conduct regular surveys and interviews with your audience to gather insights and feedback. Analyze Data: Use tools like SparkToro to analyze audience behaviors and demographics. Conclusion By focusing on high-quality content, leveraging video and social media, and conducting thorough audience research, bloggers and small businesses can navigate the ever-evolving world of SEO and digital marketing. Embrace your unique voice, build genuine connections with your audience, and explore new strategies to carve out your space in the digital world. Other Related Blogger Genius Podcast episodes You'll Enjoy: #334: This Content Strategy Will Help You Rise Above the Noise with Amanda Natividad #330: 2024 SEO Shifts: Strategies for Success Today with Lily Ray #324: How to Make Money Blogging in 2024 (New Trends) with Jillian Leslie MiloTreeCart, the Best Tool for Non-Techies to Sell Digital Products I also want to introduce you to the MiloTreeCart, a tool designed for non-techies to sell digital products easily. It comes with features like fill-in-the-blank sales pages, check-out pages, a sales dashboard, upsells, and customer support. MiloTreeCart is currently available for a lifetime deal of $349 or three easy installments of $116.33.
What should you include or omit to ensure your stories carry your message, resonate with others, and deliver something that could only come from you? That's the challenge we encounter today. In this special episode, Jay is joined by a favorite client, Susan Boles, to work through a draft of a signature story, which emerged on the back of their months-long work together developing Susan's premise of “calm is the new KPI.” They apply Jay's Align-Agitate-Assert structure, and they find the two biggest opportunities to improve the story.Susan is the founder of Beyond Margins and host of the podcast of the same name. She teaches entrepreneur clients how to optimize their business for quality of life, not just profit margin, by making calm their focus and their literal KPI.In the episode, Jay and Susan dissect her emerging, signature story involving Rand Fishkin, founder and CEO of SparkToro and, previously, founder and CEO of Moz. When one piece of the story runs too long, Jay shares some pointers for how to shorten it without sacrificing the story's power, and the duo figure out what insights can be extracted and delivered from the story to teach and inspire Susan's audience.Whether you're crafting your next keynote or fine-tuning your leadership communication skills, this episode will have you immediately elevating your storytelling in ways that illuminate insights others remember, share, and apply to their work or lives.Resources:⚫ Follow Susan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesusanboles ⚫ Listen to Beyond Margins: https://podcast.beyondmargins.com/ ⚫ Subscribe to Beyond Margins Newsletter: https://beyondmargins.ck.page/21380f9bae
Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast
Rand Fishkin, the co-founder of SparkToro, discusses the intricacies of how enterprise marketers can leverage media and influencer insights to better target their audience. At SparkToro, they specialize in uncovering key influencers and platforms that can amplify marketing efforts significantly. Rand shares strategies for identifying and engaging with the voices that matter most to your market. Show NotesConnect With: Rand Fishkin: Website // LinkedInThe Voices of Search Podcast: Email // LinkedIn // TwitterBenjamin Shapiro: Website // LinkedIn // TwitterSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast
Rand Fishkin, CEO of SparkToro, discusses the evolving dynamics of SEO and its strategic implications for marketers. At SparkToro, they specialize in identifying key influencers and media that impact diverse audiences, providing crucial insights for enterprise marketing strategies. Today, Rand explores how shifts in SEO practices can significantly alter marketing approaches and the importance of staying ahead in a rapidly changing digital landscape. His insights are grounded in deep industry knowledge and a commitment to leveraging data for effective marketing outcomes. Show NotesConnect With: Rand Fishkin: Website // LinkedInThe Voices of Search Podcast: Email // LinkedIn // TwitterBenjamin Shapiro: Website // LinkedIn // TwitterSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
With more than 100,000 active communities, Reddit is a vast and often untapped resource for B2B marketers. And so, in this episode of the Content 10x Podcast, host Amy Woods dives into its potential as a tool for B2B marketing. Discover the fundamentals of Reddit, from the unique structure of subreddits to its voting system that brings the most popular content to the forefront. Learn why B2B marketers should consider Reddit for targeted audience engagement, real-time market research, thought leadership, and even lead generation. Amy also shares insights from a previous episode with Amanda Natividad of SparkToro, highlighting how Reddit's niche communities offer unparalleled insights into audience interests and concerns.Tune in to discover how to turn Reddit into a powerful component of your B2B marketing strategy.Find out: How Reddit is usedWhy it's useful for B2B marketersBest practices for B2B marketers on Reddit Important links & mentions:The changing face of marketing with Amanda Natividad https://www.content10x.com/the-changing-face-of-marketing/Boosting content velocity through repurposing with Ashley Faus https://www.content10x.com/boosting-content-velocity/How to maximize content with a small team with Jess Cook https://www.content10x.com/maximize-content-with-small-teams/Our consulting and strategy services https://www.content10x.com/consulting-and-strategy/Amy's book: https://www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, the world's first and longest-running specialist content repurposing agency that partners with B2B marketing teams to help them get more out of their content.Amy is a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content repurposing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get content repurposing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter
Discover the future of marketing in the latest episode of the Marketing Speak podcast as we dive deep into the mind of marketing genius and SparkToro founder Rand Fishkin. This isn't just another chat about AI or social media trends; it's a masterclass in leveraging short videos, understanding audience behaviors, and navigating the turbulent waters of the modern marketing landscape. Rand doesn't just talk theory; he shares real, actionable tactics that can change the way you approach marketing. Plus, he opens up about SparkToro's unique funding model and his commitment to creating a fairer entrepreneurial environment. This is a must-listen for anyone looking to stay ahead in the fast-evolving marketing world. Check it out, and let's discuss how these insights can transform our strategies!
What's possible as a content creator? If you don't want to be a CMO or VP of marketing, how high can you rise? Amanda Natividad joined us for the 403rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and shared her thoughts about how writers can carve out a role as an individual contributor and what that looks like. She also talked about research, growing an online audience and how not to add to the social media noise. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. Stuff to check out: SparkToro Amanda's Website The Brian Kurtz episode Rob mentioned The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Full Transcript: Rob Marsh: Building an online platform on social media where you can share your thoughts has become an important part of a lot of copywriter's businesses. A platform like this can be a source of leads as well as a place to grow your influence and share your thoughts. Whether you do it on Twitter, Linkedin, Instagram or somewhere else, it's more important than ever. And when you do it right, your platform can be a launch pad for all kinds of things—including a writing position where you get to not only do the work you love, but define the way you do it. Hi, I'm Rob Marsh, one of the founders of The Copywriter Club. And for today's episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira Hug and I talked with content creator and VP of Marketing at SparkToro, Amanda Natividad. Amanda landed her position by posting great content online and interacting with others on her chosen platform—Twitter. We talked about that as well as how content creators might create individual contributor roles for themselves, how to research using a tool like SparkToro, the platform Amanda would probably choose today if she were starting over and a lot more. This is a great interview with lots of insights. So stick around… Before we jump in with Amanda… We have a new gift for you as a listener to The Copywriter Club Podcast. We went through the past 400 episodes of this podcast looking for the ideas that our guests have shared over the past couple of years related to finding clients. We pulled out a bunch of our favorites and compiled them into a new pocket sized guide that will inspire you as you look for ways to attract the right clients to your business. It's a bit like having a couple dozen of the best copywriters in your pocket advising you on how to find your next client. To get your copy, visit thecopywriterclub.com/pocket and download this new guide. And with that, let's go to our interview with Amanda Natividad. Kira Hug: Well, let's start with your story. I'd love to hear how you ended up as the VP of Marketing at SparkToro and how you got there. Amanda Natividad: Yeah. This could be too long of a story. Let's see. Go for the whole hour. Rob Marsh: Let's make sure we talk about the test kitchen, all of it. Amanda Natividad: It all started when I was born. No, I'm kidding. No, let's see. Here, I'll try to do my best here. You would think at this point I would be good at this, but I'm not. So here we go. I'll say I was a marketer like in the trenches for what, at least eight years or so before I ever started publishing online, like under my own name, here are my marketing thoughts. Here are my thoughts and work. And once I decided to do that, I was basically all in. Like I kind of just tend to be the kind of person where I'm either in or out. There's no in between. Right. So when I decided to do it, I really went all in. I went all in on writing Twitter threads. Eventually started a personal site and a personal newsletter and then grew that and then slowly expanded onto LinkedIn and stuff. Along this journey, one of my marketing heroes, Rand Fishkin, followed me back, which of course meant that I was mortified instantly and was like, well, now I can't tweet anymore. I think I closed the app for the day and was like, I think I'm done, guys. I got to be quiet now.
Welcome back to another episode of the Niche Pursuits News podcast! As always, Spencer and Jared break down the latest news about Google, SEO, AI, and beyond for listeners. They kick things off this week by diving into a zero-click search study by Rand Fishkin on SparkToro, talking about where clicks go and the difference in what happens after someone in America clicks vs. someone in Europe. After the spam update finished rolling out at the end of last week, someone reported seeing a slight recovery. The author of the report is seeing almost a 50% rebound in traffic on her affiliate marketing website since March 2024, and she details the 4 main steps she's taken since her traffic tanked, which included disavowing spammy backlinks and upping her internal linking game. Moving along, they talk about Google Search Console's data freeze which, at the time they recorded the podcast, was 87 hours long. It's then time for Shiny Object Shenanigans and, as usual, Spencer goes first with an exciting update about his first 30 days in the Facebook Bonus Program. When it's Jared's turn, he reveals that he bought a newsletter! The Slice, which is geared towards solopreneurs, seemed like the perfect fit. When it's Weird Niche Website time, Spencer shares a site that's doing really well. In fact, year-to-date it's earned 4 million GBP. Car Mats is an ecommerce site that's gone very niche as it focuses on a single car part: floor mats. When it's Jared's turn, he reveals Keybr, a weird and quirky site that offers typing tests and helps you improve your typing skills. Ready to join a niche publishing mastermind, and hear from industry experts each week? Join the Niche Pursuits Community here: https://community.nichepursuits.com Be sure to get more content like this in the Niche Pursuits Newsletter Right Here: https://www.nichepursuits.com/newsletter Want a Faster and Easier Way to Build Internal Links? Get $15 off Link Whisper with Discount Code "Podcast" on the Checkout Screen: https://www.nichepursuits.com/linkwhisper Get SEO Consulting from the Niche Pursuits Podcast Host, Jared Bauman: https://www.nichepursuits.com/201creative
What's happened in the world of zero-click content and audience research since Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at SparkToro, was last on The Content 10x Podcast? In this episode, host Amy Woods welcomes Amanda back to find out about that and much more. Amanda explains a bit about SparkToro, an audience research tool, that reveals critical insights about an audience's preferred websites, social accounts, podcasts, YouTube channels, and even search keywords. She explains their recent improvements and how B2B marketers can leverage these insights to enhance their marketing strategies.Amanda delves into the core idea of zero-click content, which focuses on providing standalone value in native social media platform posts without requiring users to click away. She shares practical examples and how it has become essential for increasing social media engagement and retention. The discussion also explores the implications of AI on search behavior and audience research, emphasizing the need for marketers to adapt and stay updated with changing marketing trends. Find out: How to conduct audience research What's happened in the world of zero-click contentThe impact of AI on search behaviorImportant links & mentions:SparkTogether event https://sparktoro.com/sparktogether/Amanda on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/Exploring Zero Click Content with Amanda Natividad https://www.content10x.com/exploring-content-amanda-natividad/Amy's book: https://www.content10x.com/book (Content 10x: More Content, Less Time, Maximum Results)Amy Woods is the CEO and founder of Content 10x, the world's first and longest-running specialist content repurposing agency that partners exclusively with B2B tech and professional services businesses.Amy is a best-selling author, hosts two content marketing podcasts (The Content 10x Podcast and B2B Content Strategist), and speaks on stages all over the world about the power of content repurposing.Join hundreds of business owners, content creators and marketers and get content repurposing tips and advice delivered straight to your inbox every week https://www.content10x.com/newsletter
Before I discuss the podcast, I'm thrilled to share some updates on MiloTreeCart. We're transitioning MiloTreeCart to a more traditional subscription model. Therefore our lifetime deal of $349 is being phased out. If you are interested in paying once and owning MiloTreeCart forever and getting a bonus one-hour coaching call with me, Jillian ($300 value), don't wait! Plus, we offer a 30-day guarantee, so there's no risk. If you want to jump on a free 20-minute exploratory call to see if MiloTreeCart is right for you, just sign up here. Additionally, we're introducing in the next two weeks, a new feature to help you offer unlimited freebies and collect email addresses effortlessly! Be on the lookout for my announcement. And now onto today's, episode... Content Strategy Will Help You Grow Online In this episode of The Blogger Genius Podcast, I'm interviewing Amanda Natividad, the VP of Marketing at SparkToro who is also a chef. We talk about current content marketing trends and strategies to get yourself noticed in the crowded online space. Amanda stresses the importance of creating original and valuable content, going beyond SEO-driven strategies to offer unique insights and expertise to build trust and credibility. Amanda recommends incorporating personal elements in your content, which is why she adds her own recipes into her marketing newsletter, showcasing her unique perspective and engaging her audience on a deeper level. Show Notes: MiloTreeCart Book a FREE 20-minute call with me Amanda Natividad Sparktoro MiloTree Pop-Up App Personality Quiz: What Digital Product Should I Create? Join My Blogger Genius Email List Become a Blogger Genius Facebook Group All Blogger Genius Podcast Episodes Subscribe to the Blogger Genius Podcast: iTunes YouTube Spotify The Shift in Content Marketing: Originality and Personality The landscape of content marketing is evolving, with a growing emphasis on having a distinct point of view and injecting personality into content. In a crowded digital landscape, having a unique perspective can help your content stand out, sharing your own experiences, insights, and expertise. Personal stories and anecdotes can make your content more relatable and engaging. This also signals to Google and to your audience that there is a real person behind what you create. Zero-Click Content: Providing Standalone Value One of the key trends Amanda discusses is the concept of zero-click content. This involves creating content that provides standalone value on social media platforms, without necessarily driving traffic to external websites. Focusing on creating content that offers value on its own can help you build a stronger presence on social media and engage your audience more effectively. It also makes it easier for potential fans to consume your content without having to leave platforms like Instagram or Twitter. Amanda also highlights the trend of brands focusing on being people-led, showcasing the people behind the brand and building a more authentic and relatable image. Dealing with Content Theft and Maintaining a Positive Mindset Content theft is a common challenge for many marketers and bloggers. Amanda and I discuss the importance of maintaining a positive mindset and focusing on creating new and valuable content instead of dwelling on how bad it feels. This can help you stay motivated and continue to provide value to your audience. Embracing an abundance mindset by sharing your knowledge and expertise freely can help you build a stronger connection with your audience and establish yourself as a thought leader. Conclusion: Embracing Originality and Expertise The conversation between Amanda and me underscores the importance of originality, personalization, and expertise in content marketing. By understanding your audience, injecting personality into your content, and embracing new trends, you can navigate the evolving digital landscape, create more effective marketing strategies, and rise above the noise. And in the world of AI, when content becomes easier to create, you need new strategies to get noticed. Lean into your humanness and your "vibe." Other Related Blogger Genius Podcast episodes You'll Enjoy: Unleashing the Power of Selling Ebooks: Your Gateway to a Digital Empire with Jillian Leslie Secret Truths About Selling – Part 1 (Why Is It So Uncomfortable?) with Jillian Leslie Capitalize on Your “Vibe,” Use It To Grow Your Blog with Jillian Leslie MiloTreeCart, the Best Tool for Non-Techies to Sell Digital Products
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Rand Fishkin is the co-founder of Moz, SparkToro, and Inbound.org. When it comes to SEO and digital marketing, it's hard to find someone more knowledgeable than Rand Fishkin. His popular blog, hundreds of keynotes, and 2 hyper-successful SaaS businesses are a testament to his skill.Rand Fishkin was the founder and former CEO of Moz, a leading SEO software for marketers created in 2007 that grew out of the active followers of Rand's popular SEOmoz blog. Moz grew quickly to over $30 million in revenue by 2013, having raised $30 million in venture capital investment. This Post is Sponsored by ALL IN ONEPlay the Euro 2024 Predictor Game and beat the leader.Think you've got a crystal ball for the beautiful game? Can you sniff out surprise victories and predict the heart-stopping moments that make the Euros unforgettable?This is your chance to go beyond cheering from the sidelines and become a Euro 2024 champion (well, kind of).Introducing All in One Euro 2024 Predictor Game.Join for FreeWhere to find Rand Fishkin:• Website: (9) SparkToro: Overview | LinkedIn• LinkedIn (8) Rand Fishkin | LinkedInWhere to find Hadi Radwan:• Newsletter: Principles Friday | Hadi Radwan | Substack• LinkedIn: Hadi Radwan | LinkedInIf you like our podcast, please don't forget to subscribe and support us on your favorite podcast players. We also would appreciate your feedback and rating to reach more people.We recently launched our new newsletter, Principles Friday, where I share one principle that can help you in your life or business, one thought-provoking question, and one call to action toward that principle. Please subscribe Here.It is Free and Short (2min).
The hardest question to answer when we show up publicly might be the simplest question we receive: “Tell me about yourself.” Who are you? How'd you get here? What's your story?We then face a choice: we can make the story about us, or we can make it about the thing we're there to say. We can make our own stories about the audiences we wish to serve, and we can do so without feeling like we're bragging and even without any newsworthy moments in our past.Meet Rand Fishkin, cofounder and CEO of two companies (audience research platform SparkToro and indie video game maker Snackbar Studio). He's an entrepreneur who's navigated the roller-coaster of startup life, written an incredible book about it (Lost and Founder), and gone on the journey with hundreds of thousands of professionals following his every move. Rand has spoken at countless events, sharing his (often difficult) journey with audiences ranging from fresh-faced founders to seasoned veterans.In this episode, Rand shares his personal story as he'd present it from the stage, illustrating for us the power of stories the more “strategic” thinkers among us might think unwise to share: stories of failure, struggle, and genuine emotional turmoil. You'll hear the power of having an "enemy" to galvanize your cause and attract your tribe, and why sharing failures and other difficult experiences can forge stronger connections and teach more valuable lessons than sharing wins and case studies.Rand's style is a breath of fresh air in communities that rarely get so real, and it's a big reason he resonates deeper than most.Jump into the conversation: (01:14) Meet Rand (10:43) Rand's Story (18:46) Dissecting the StoryResources:⚫ Follow Rand on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/⚫ Follow Rand on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@randderuiter⚫ Visit SparkToro: https://sparktoro.com/⚫ Visit Snackbar Studio: https://snackbarstudio.com/
Ep. 232 What do the recent Google leaks mean? Kipp and Kieran dive into the future of marketing automation and how Google's secret algorithm changes the game. In this episode, Kipp and Kieran sit down with Rand Fishkin, the former CEO of Moz and founder of SparkToro, to uncover the hidden facets of Google's ranking system, the influence of AI on marketing strategies, and how empathy and understanding your audience can reshape your marketing success. Mentions Grab HubSpot's free AI-Powered Customer Platform and watch your business grow https://clickhubspot.com/cmt Rand Fishkin https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/ SparkToro https://sparktoro.com/ Brian Balfour https://brianbalfour.com/ Google Leaks https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24167407/google-search-algorithm-documents-leak-confirmation Moz https://moz.com/ Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We're on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don't forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain' is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
Send us a Text Message.Rand helps us explore the implications of the Google Web Search leak and how it impacts our understanding of how the search ranking aglo actually worksThis week we interviewed Rand Fishkin of SparkToro on the details and importance of the Google Search API leak. In discussing the “biggest leak of the last 25 years” we look at how it provides SEO practitioners with menu of possible experiments to explorethe role of Chrome as a source for click through data and what it means for link buildersHow this click through data seems to be one of the most important ranking factorsWhy links on low performing pages have absolutely no value and thus why many citations no longer do eitherwhether Ad clicks might in fact influence rankHow should we think about “web references” aka mentions vs Links The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.Ep 159Subscribe to our 3x per week newsletter at https://www.nearmedia.co/subscribe/
In this episode, Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at SparkToro, talks about some of the low points in her career, the toughest feedback she's ever received, how she navigates burnout, and how she's been able to find her authentic voice as a leader.In this episode, you'll hear about:1. When Amanda was told ““Wow. Rand opened up a lot of doors for you!”2. Amanda's boss said it was obvious when she didn't know what she was doing3. When Amanda was told “You're too junior” and “You're too direct”Things to listen for:[06:34] When Amanda was told “Wow. Rand must have opened up a lot of doors for you”[15:39] During the pandemic, she was furloughed from her job at Liftopia[19:01] Amanda felt powerless in her personal and professional life…[27:29] Being told “It's so obvious you don't know what you're doing” by a manager[31:11] Seeing feedback as positive and her co-workers wanting to help[32:38] Being told “You're too junior” and “You're too direct”[39:34] “I don't know” shows maturity and awareness on a personal level[45:57] The skills she wishes she worked on earlierResources:- Connect with Amanda on LinkedIn- Check out SparkToro- Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn- Work with Andrew- Learn more about Appcues
We usually don't start the episodes by listing off all of the accomplishments of our guests, but when you have somebody on who is this impressive and accomplished, it's hard not to brag a little bit, especially when he has so much advice for solopreneurs. Mind you, this is us bragging on his behalf, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would do that.If you aren't familiar with Rob Walling, it's time to get familiar. He:Is a serial entrepreneur who has started six companies and has had multiple exitsHe runs MicroConf, the largest conference for bootstrapped startupsHe has written four books about startupsHe has more than 15 million downloads on his podcastHe's invested in more than 170 startups (including WP Engine and SparkToro), but doesn't believe the only way to start a SaaS company is to raise moneyAnd of course, he's just a really cool guy and was open to all the questions we had for him that relate to helping you run a company of one.In this episode, we discuss things like:The key advantages to bootstrapping a startup versus seeking outside fundingCommon pitfalls that aspiring solopreneurs encounter and how to avoid themStrategies for solopreneurs to achieve profitability sooner rather than laterTrends shaping the future of solopreneurshipThe most crucial skills or qualities that solopreneurs need to succeed in today's competitive landscapePlus the one piece of advice he would give aspiring soloprenuers, and so much more. Be sure to tune in.Being a solopreneur is awesome but it's not easy. It's hard to get noticed. Most business advice is for bigger companies, and you're all alone...until now. LifeStarr's SoloSuite gives you free education, community, and tools to build a thriving one-person business. So, if you are lacking direction, having a hard time generating leads, or are having trouble keeping up with everything you have to do, or even just lonely running a company of one, be sure to check out SoloSuite Starter!Access SoloSuite Starter
How much thought do you give to the content you post? And after sharing, how invested are you in reading and responding to the comments? Do you take the feedback to heart? This week, Mark is joined by Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at audience research startup SparkToro, to pinpoint what your audience values most. At SparkToro, Amanda has launched a popular webinar series and an audience research newsletter with over 50,000 subscribers. No stranger to innovation and engagement in her field, she previously spearheaded marketing at Growth Machine and contributed to Fitbit's B2B team. In this episode, they explore how prioritizing content that resonates with your audience helps enhance your brand and foster community. Here are some of the topics Mark and Amanda discuss: Why community management and growth means rolling up your sleeves and doing the work Why often the best way to respond to other people's posts is by posting your own take How genuine engagement and responsiveness foster community The importance of showing people that you're actually engaging and listening to their feedback Why your content has to be a good match for the platform you're posting on Why you shouldn't post for the sake of posting, but post when you have something to say Focus on business outcomes, not marketing metrics How to create content that grows your business in a meaningful way How creating your own IP allows your content to be more sustainable over time What Amanda values most in her work and career Follow Mark: LinkedIn: https://hi.switchy.io/markdrager Instagram: https://hi.switchy.io/KcKi Want more free tools? Go to our podcast page at https://hi.switchy.io/KcKe
In this episode, host Chris Do sits down with Robert Katai, founder of the B2B Creator Newsletter, as he discusses a transformative strategy for brands aiming to achieve significant growth without solely relying on paid advertising or traditional marketing channels. He emphasizes the shift from conventional approaches to investing in in-house creators. In-house creators, who could be any employee passionate about the brand, are positioned as better alternatives to outside influencers for building authentic connections with audiences. Robert highlights the power of personal branding and genuine content creation as a means to foster trust and engagement with the brand. The discussion covers the increasing costs of customer acquisition, the saturation of AI in marketing channels, and the decreasing efficacy of brand-only social media accounts. Through examples like Apollo.io and SparkToro, Robert illustrates how companies can leverage their employees to authentically engage with their community, resulting in increased brand loyalty, lower marketing costs, and organic growth. The solution proposed encompasses nurturing in-house talent to generate content that resonates with the audience, establishing a human-to-human connection. Robert's insights are framed within his extensive experience in marketing, reflecting a forward-thinking approach to overcoming current marketing challenges. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
This chat features Rand Fishkin, Creative Director and CEO of Snackbar Studio, a new video game studio working on its first title. Fishkin, who is better known for founding the SEO software company Moz, and the consumer intelligence company SparkToro, shares why he made the jump from the world of business into video games. Fishkin also covers the extensive research he did to figure out exactly what type of game to make, and how he put together a winning team. Tune in to Ibele and Fishkin to hear: *How Fishkin is funding Snackbar studio (and for how much) *How Fishkin's research led him to set the game in 1960's Italy *What three criteria Fishkin thinks will lead to any video game's success Social Links: *Check out Snackbar Studio's website: https://snackbarstudio.com/ *Follow Rand on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@randderuiter *Follow Geraldine DeRuiter on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@theeverywhereist
Marketing Leadership Podcast: Strategies From Wise D2C & B2B Marketers
Join Dots Oyebolu as he engages in a fascinating conversation with Ross Simmonds, Founder and CEO of Foundation Marketing. Recognized as a leading voice in content marketing, Ross shares his insights on modern content distribution strategies that drive revenue in marketing.Key Takeaways:(01:46) Ross' journey from selling do-rags in high school to becoming a revered content marketing strategist.(03:53) "Content user fit" and the need for marketers to understand their audience deeply through market research tools like SparkToro and Audience.(09:03) "Content market fit": Ross discusses identifying content themes that resonate with target audiences on specific platforms.(13:40) The strategic importance of generating backlinks through tools, proprietary research, and a stats roundup for enhancing SEO.(20:05) A discussion on the future of SEO and SEM in the face of evolving digital marketing landscapes.(22:44) Ross encourages marketers to diversify their strategies, likening AI tools to an "Ironman suit" for marketers To achieve greater efficiency and creativity.(24:06) Ross underscores the timeless essence of storytelling in human connection and marketing.(29:46) Ross suggests focusing on generating customers and revenue over complex marketing metrics.Resources Mentioned:Ross Simmonds -https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosssimmonds/?originalSubdomain=caFoundation Marketing | LinkedIn -https://www.linkedin.com/company/foundationmarketing/Foundation Marketing | Website -https://foundationinc.co/Ross Simmonds' Personal Website -https://rosssimmonds.com/SparkToro -https://sparktoro.com/Buzzsumo -https://buzzsumo.com/Insightful Links:https://www.coseom.com/b2b-saas-marketing-the-future-is-now-embracing-modern-strategies-and-trends-2/ https://www.beacondigitalmarketing.com/blog/b2b-content-strategy-new-era https://foundationinc.co/lab/modern-distribution-playbook/ https://divbyzero.com/blog/saas-content-marketing-strategy/ Thanks for listening to the Marketing Leadership podcast, brought to you by Dots Loves Marketing. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review to help get the word out about the show. And be sure to subscribe so you never miss another insightful conversation.#PodcastMarketing #PerformanceMarketing #BrandMarketing #MarketingStrategy #MarketingIntelligence #GTM #B2BMarketing #D2CMarketing
In this episode of Content Briefly, we've interviewed Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at SparkToro, and discussed original research, the absence of a concise content strategy and how it doesn't affect their content program, personal branding, and more.************************Timestamps:00:00 Intro.03:10 Who is Amanda Natividad?03:37 Amanda's background.04:59 What is SparkToro?06:23 Reflection on changes in marketing.12:27 Original content on SparkToro's blog. 14:20 Personal branding vs. corporate branding.18:47 Aligning marketing strategy with audience insights.21:44 Using an email list for marketing.26:02 Scalability of SparkToro's marketing approach.30:45 High-level individual contribution vs. traditional management34:27 Balancing high-value work and 'chill work'.37:37 SparkToro's content strategy.41:17 Leveraging original research in content marketing.45:01 Amanda's journey in building her personal brand.48:38 Learn more about Amanda and SparkToro and get in touch.49:52 Outro.************************Useful Links:SparkToro Website: https://sparktoro.com/Amanda's Website: https://amandanat.com/Amanda on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanatAmanda on Twitter: https://twitter.com/amandanatAmanda on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandanat************************Stay Tuned:► Website: https://www.superpath.co/► YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@superpath► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/superpath/► Twitter: https://twitter.com/superpathco************************Don't forget to leave us a five-star review and subscribe to our YouTube channel.This episode is brought to you by our friends at tealhq.com.
In this episode, Rand Fishkin shares his insights on entrepreneurship and strategic thinking. He discusses the impact of the hustle culture on success and emphasizes the importance of making the best decisions as an entrepreneur. Rand shares his experiences in the video game and marketing industries, highlighting the need for creators to think strategically and understand their target audience. He also introduces his ventures, SparkToro and Snackbar Studio, and provides resources such as his book "Lost and Founder" and the SparkToro blog for further exploration. Some highlights we explore: The impact of the hustle culture on success and decision-making Rand's experiences in the video game and marketing industries Strategies for thinking strategically and understanding the target audience The importance of finding fulfillment and happiness in both professional and personal pursuits Enjoy!
In this Retain: The Customer Retention Podcast episode, Lauren DeSouza speaks with Rand Fishkin, serial entrepreneur, author and Co-Founder of SparkToro. Together they are playing devil's advocate, by challenging the businesses industry's obsession with retention, arguing that there is real value in letting go of customers and discussing effective strategies on how to win them back.