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Middle East expert Daniel Pipes delivers a profound and piercing reality check: Israel has not won because it has never pursued outright victory.

In the ​latest installment of the ongoing interview series with contributing editor Mark Bauerlein, Daniel Pipes joins in to discuss his new book, “Israel Victory: How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated​.” Donate now at www.firstthings.com/campaign Intro music by Jack Bauerlein.

In the ​latest installment of the ongoing interview series with contributing editor Mark Bauerlein, Daniel Pipes joins in to discuss his new book, “Israel Victory: How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated​.” Donate now at www.firstthings.com/campaign Intro music by Jack Bauerlein.

What were the factors that led to the fall of Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria? And what will the new Syrian government be like? We talk to Daniel Pipes, an author, historian, and president of the Middle East Forum. Secretary of State Antony Blinken honors human rights defenders, and President Joe Biden issues a proclamation for Human Rights Day. The man suspected of killing the UnitedHealthcare CEO has been denied bail in Pennsylvania. He's charged with murder. We have the updates as the high-profile case continues to claim the nation's attention. Two of President-elect Donald Trump's New York cases may not go away for good, despite his federal criminal cases being dismissed. Trump says he's willing to work with Democrats on a plan for Dreamers. Meanwhile, New York City Mayor Eric Adams prepares to meet with Trump's border czar, while trying to change the city's sanctuary city law. Hear what political strategists on both sides of the aisle have to say. ⭕️ Watch in-depth videos based on Truth & Tradition at Epoch TV

Today, a discussion about the ever evolving Middle East crises.  Noted historian Daniel Pipes, the author of “Israel Victory: How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated,” joins us to offer a new approach to the problems. Dr. Pipes believes it is time for a radical change in the way both Israel and the Palestinians approach their security and self-determination. The Palestinians must finally stop their rejectionism of Israel while the Jewish state can no longer afford to offer  conciliations that consistently backfire. We explore the definition of victory, both on and off the battlefield, that could lead to peace.

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Welcome to Inside The Epicenter, where we dive into thought-provoking conversations about the Middle East and how it impacts the world. In this episode, host Joel Rosenberg delves into a fascinating discussion with guest Daniel Pipes, author of “Israel Victory.” They explore the concept of achieving true victory and total defeat in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, drawing parallels to historical events and examining the current geopolitical landscape. From the impact of nuclear weapons to the challenges of Gaza, they tackle complex issues with depth and insight. Join us as we unravel the complexities of this enduring conflict and seek to understand potential pathways toward peace and stability in the region.   (00:04) Palestinians need more time to prepare for peace and avoid costly offerings. (06:16) Impression of US foreign policy and conflicts. (09:26) Prayer requests for peace in Israel and the region. (12:39) Historian advocates Israel's victory for peace. (16:32) Choose between hostages or total victory, Prime Minister. (18:16) Advocates for Israel's victory and propaganda focus. (22:01) Support Joshua Fund at joshuafund.com, prayerfully and financially. (23:54) Joshua Fund founder Bill Rosemar expresses gratitude.   Learn more about The Joshua Fund. Make a tax-deductible donation. The Joshua Fund Stock Tprovided by DimmySad/Pond5   Verse of the Day Deuteronomy 20:4. For the Lord your God is the one who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory.  Prayer Request Pray that the God of Israel will bring peace to Israel and that more and more Israelis will understand how to return their hearts, our hearts, to the Lord, back to his word.  Pray that God would reestablish geopolitical peace, not just spiritual peace, but geopolitical calm and quiet between Israelis and Palestinians.  Pray for all of the political players and leaders in Israel and among the Palestinians. Pray that a new, fresh wind will blow through the region and that there will be a new opportunity for peace. Related Episodes: Israeli Recounts CHILLING Oct. 7 Survival Story #199 Ghaith Al-Omari - Exploring Hope, Reform, and Compassion #197 Insights into Israel's Two-State Solution Challenges #195 The Escalating Conflict: Inside Israel and the Rescue Mission's #188 Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

In this episode, I got to talk with WORLD Magazine Correspondent, Jill Nelson. Jill has focused a large portion of her reporting of the past several years on the Ukraine/Russia war and the Israel/Hamas war in the Middle East. Our conversation covers the history of these conflicts, the reason for the war, and how Christians should think through these sorts of geopolitical issues. UKRAINE/RUSSIA March 10, 2022: “Far From Family”Interviews: Cyndee Knight, Ambassador of Father's House Luis Ruiz, and adoptive parents Jennifer Russ and Phil Graveshttps://wng.org/articles/far-from-family-1646881083 “Ukrainians seek justice for war crimes” (3-26-22)https://wng.org/roundups/ukrainians-seek-justice-for-war-crimes-1648315482Interviews: Serhiy Perebyinis (wife killed in Irpin) and Tatyana Kobzar (nephew killed in same attack)  ***“Russia's Rapid Decline” (May 5, 2022)https://wng.org/articles/russias-rapid-decline-1651633867(Interviews: Pastor Andre Furmanov, Pastor Andrew Berdishev, Baptist Pastor Yuri Sipko, Bishop Albert Ratkin, David Satter)   ***“Quest for Justice” (Sept. 10, 2022)https://wng.org/articles/quest-for-justice-1661313430Interviews: Ludmyla Savchenko, Oleksandra Matviichuk (Nobel Peace Prize 2022), Sergey Rakhuba (Mission Eurasia) ***“Encountering Tribulation” (Dec. 8, 2022)https://wng.org/articles/encountering-tribulation-1670453390Interview: Mikhail Britsyn Pastoral perspectives: “United in Faith, Divided by War” (4-12-22) https://wng.org/podcasts/united-in-faith-divided-by-war-1649734795Andre Furmanov, Oleg Magdych, Oleg VasilevskyWar Crimes: “Cracking Down on the Kremlin” (5-23-22)https://wng.org/podcasts/school-choice-in-maine-1655960967?fbclid=IwAR3N5raQZdKgyzvLtnxaJRQd6WpfXxqsf8UfNSXBeFXPw4NxJYpotj9pfM8Ludmyla Savchanko and Rachel Kerr (law professor at King's College London and co-director of the War Crimes Research Group) ***A 2014 story that unpacks why some Christians support Putinhttps://wng.org/articles/putins-playbook-1617325335 First invasion: ***https://wng.org/articles/cold-realities-1617329918 https://wng.org/articles/winter-at-the-barricades-1618235450ISRAELDecember Reporting trip: ***“Seed of Hope” (Israel Trip) (1-25-24)Interviews: David Pileggi (Rector of Christ Church in Old City), Pastor Michael Beener, Ran Ferdman, Israel Iluzhttps://wng.org/articles/seeds-of-hope-1705899552 ***I really enjoyed talking with David: “Christians in the Holy Land” (Q&A with David Pileggi-Christ Church Jerusalem) (1-26-24)https://wng.org/articles/christians-and-the-holy-land-1706119688 “Remembering their faces” (Hostages Square in Tel Aviv) (1-23-24)Interviews: Michael Levy, Liad Gross, and others)https://wng.org/podcasts/remembering-their-faces-1705961515“Daily Bread in a War Zone” (feeding troops fighting Hezbollah) (1-25-24)Interview: Pastor Israel Iluzhttps://wng.org/podcasts/daily-bread-in-a-war-zone-1706130658 ***“Neighbors at War” (Settler violence in the West Bank) (2-7-24)Interviews: Mustafa Al Kabeyta, "Joshua Pex"https://wng.org/podcasts/neighbors-at-war-1707243200Myths and Miracles about Israel on its 70th anniversary https://wng.org/articles/miracles-and-myths-1620595714“A history of violence: Hamas' attack on Israel is only the latest in a 75-year war” (Timeline) (10-19-23)https://wng.org/articles/a-history-of-violence-1697674996?_gl=1*i505qe*_ga*MTc4NzMzMTg4OS4xNjYzMzY0Mjgx*_ga_QH42Y1N34C*MTcwNTQ1MTU5NS42My4xLjE3MDU0NTMyOTAuNjAuMC4w “Mass murder gambit: Hamas has the world's attention. But Can it reignite Arab sympathies?”(12-21-23)Interviews: Pastor Israel Pochtar (WhatsApp), Daniel Pipes, and Haisam Hassanein (FDD)https://wng.org/articles/mass-murder-gambit-1702953880?_gl=1*1jypt5a*_ga*MTc4NzMzMTg4OS4xNjYzMzY0Mjgx*_ga_QH42Y1N34C*MTcwNTQ1MTU5NS42My4xLjE3MDU0NTM0NjEuMTQuMC4w***An older story about pro-Hamas elements on U.S. campuses (2009)https://wng.org/articles/pro-palestinian-junta-1620659027 ISOLATIONISM “Exit Stage Right: American conservatives are urging Uncle Sam to bow out of world affairs” (1-11-23)Interviews: AEI's Matthew Continetti. Sen. John Thune, and Oleg Magdych)https://wng.org/articles/exit-stage-right-1704860393 ISLAM and ISLAMISM***https://wng.org/podcasts/fighting-radicalization-in-the-west-1618322328  https://wng.org/articles/too-cozy-for-comfort-1617303645  ***https://wng.org/articles/northern-migration-1617305085  And I'm including this one because it seems as Christians, we have to also be careful not to shun our Muslim neighbors. God is at work:  ***Muslim Background Believers “Seeking a Savior” (3-9-23)  Interviews: Georges Houssney (Horizons International), Fouad Masri (Crescent Project), Farah Marvil Saada (Hope for Ishmael), Hamid Hatami (MEHR Ministries), Mike Westerfield (convert) , Abdu Murray (Embrace the Truth) https://wng.org/articles/seeking-a-savior-1678156456 Sign up for an Optiv Network subscription: https://optivnetwork.comFollow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/optivnetworkFollow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/OptivNetworkEmail us at andy@optivnetwork.com with your questions!Music: "nesting" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

Daniel Pipes taught history at Harvard University and the University of Chicago, served on the State Department's Policy Planning Staff under President Reagan, administered Fulbright Fellowships, and founded the Middle East Forum. Israel Victory is his nineteenth book. A decent Gaza is possible, but first, the Palestinians must lose" - NEW BOOK - Israel Victory

FDD Senior Vice President Jonathan Schanzer delivers timely situational updates and analysis on headlines of the Middle East, followed by a conversation with Middle East Forum President Daniel Pipes.Learn more at: fdd.org/fddmorningbrief/"Israel Victory: How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated," by Daniel Pipes: https://a.co/d/0c354bqP

Lex Friedman's Hosted Debate: • Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein,... Elan Journo, a vice president and senior fellow at the Ayn Rand Institute, is an expert on American foreign policy, Ayn Rand's thought, and the intersection of moral ideas and public policy.Elan's is the author of What Justice Demands: America and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (2018). He is co-author with Onkar Ghate of Failing to Confront Islamic Totalitarianism: From George W. Bush to Barack Obama and Beyond (2016). It was hailed as “heartbreakingly rational, masterfully reasoned, entirely clear, prescient” by Phyllis Chesler; a “moral tour de force” by philosopher Jason Hill; and “a brilliant collection of essays” by historian Efraim Karsh. The second expanded edition of this book, retitled Failing to Confront Islamic Totalitarianism: What Went Wrong After 9/11, was published in 2021. He co-edited Illuminating Ayn Rand: Essays from New Ideal, the Journal of the Ayn Rand Institute (2022)Elan's first book, Winning the Unwinnable War: America's Self-Crippled Response to Islamic Totalitarianism (2009), analyzes Bush-era foreign policy. The late Fouad Ajami of Johns Hopkins and Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum were among the scholars and public intellectuals who praised the book, which is featured in university courses.Elan has published in Foreign Policy, Skeptic Magazine, Middle East Quarterly, The Journal of International Security Affairs, and the Claremont Review of Books. His commentary has appeared in many popular outlets, including Areo Magazine, Skeptic Magazine, Chicago Sun-Times, Australia's Herald Sun, Canada's Globe and Mail, Times of Israel, Los Angeles Times, Spiked, The Jerusalem Post, and The Hill. He is a senior editor of ARI's journal, New Ideal.Elan has appeared on countless radio programs (NPR, syndicated talk radio) and TV interviews (Fox News, PBS). He briefs congressional staff and speaks at universities across North America.Elan holds a BA in philosophy from King's College London and an MA in diplomacy from SOAS, University of London.Connect with Elan on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. Show is Sponsored by The Ayn Rand Institute https://www.aynrand.org/starthereandExpress VPN https://www.expressvpn.com/yaronJoin this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/@YaronBrook/joinLike what you hear? Like, share, and subscribe to stay updated on new videos and help promote the Yaron Brook Show: https://bit.ly/3ztPxTxSupport the Show and become a sponsor: / yaronbrookshow or https://yaronbrookshow.com/membershipOr make a one-time donation: https://bit.ly/2RZOyJJContinue the discussion by following Yaron on Twitter (https://bit.ly/3iMGl6z) and Facebook (https://bit.ly/3vvWDDC )Want to learn more about Ayn Rand and Objectivism? Visit the Ayn Rand Institute: https://bit.ly/35qoEC3 #Israel #israelhamaswar #israelpalestineconflict #capitalism #philosophy #Morality ​ ​#Objectivism​ #AynRand #politics

Elan Journo, a vice president and senior fellow at the Ayn Rand Institute, is an expert on American foreign policy, Ayn Rand's thought, and the intersection of moral ideas and public policy.Elan's is the author of What Justice Demands: America and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (2018). He is co-author with Onkar Ghate of Failing to Confront Islamic Totalitarianism: From George W. Bush to Barack Obama and Beyond (2016). It was hailed as “heartbreakingly rational, masterfully reasoned, entirely clear, prescient” by Phyllis Chesler; a “moral tour de force” by philosopher Jason Hill; and “a brilliant collection of essays” by historian Efraim Karsh. The second expanded edition of this book, retitled Failing to Confront Islamic Totalitarianism: What Went Wrong After 9/11, was published in 2021. He co-edited Illuminating Ayn Rand: Essays from New Ideal, the Journal of the Ayn Rand Institute (2022)Elan's first book, Winning the Unwinnable War: America's Self-Crippled Response to Islamic Totalitarianism (2009), analyzes Bush-era foreign policy. The late Fouad Ajami of Johns Hopkins and Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum were among the scholars and public intellectuals who praised the book, which is featured in university courses.Elan has published in Foreign Policy, Skeptic Magazine, Middle East Quarterly, The Journal of International Security Affairs, and the Claremont Review of Books. His commentary has appeared in many popular outlets, including Areo Magazine, Skeptic Magazine, Chicago Sun-Times, Australia's Herald Sun, Canada's Globe and Mail, Times of Israel, Los Angeles Times, Spiked, The Jerusalem Post, and The Hill. He is a senior editor of ARI's journal, New Ideal.Elan has appeared on countless radio programs (NPR, syndicated talk radio) and TV interviews (Fox News, PBS). He briefs congressional staff and speaks at universities across North America.Elan holds a BA in philosophy from King's College London and an MA in diplomacy from SOAS, University of London.Connect with Elan on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. Show is Sponsored by The Ayn Rand Institute https://www.aynrand.org/starthereandExpress VPN https://www.expressvpn.com/yaronJoin this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/@YaronBrook/joinLike what you hear? Like, share, and subscribe to stay updated on new videos and help promote the Yaron Brook Show: https://bit.ly/3ztPxTxSupport the Show and become a sponsor: / yaronbrookshow or https://yaronbrookshow.com/membershipOr make a one-time donation: https://bit.ly/2RZOyJJContinue the discussion by following Yaron on Twitter (https://bit.ly/3iMGl6z) and Facebook (https://bit.ly/3vvWDDC )Want to learn more about Ayn Rand and Objectivism? Visit the Ayn Rand Institute: https://bit.ly/35qoEC3 #fertility #ivftreatmentforpregnancy #abortion #capitalism #philosophy #Morality ​ ​#Objectivism​ #AynRand #politics

Nowadays there's an intense interest and often serious concern among many Christians in America about Israel…and, wow, is that pretty understandable given the voluminous news reports about Hamas, terrorism, Israel, wars, and widespread antisemitism! Some are convinced this has much to do with the end times. So, what's your “Biblical worldview” about God's expectations of the Christian's focus in the here-and-now? Is it properly tipping more to geopolitics? Or is it properly weighted more to the Great Commission? Join Kevin as we work through some thorny issues concerning the kingdoms of this world, the opportunities for the Kingdom of God, and us as 21st century believers! // Download this episode's Application & Action questions and PDF transcript at whitestone.org.

Today's Podcast: Israel at war with Hamas as wider unrest/war looms in the Middle East. Guest: Dr. Christian Leuprecht, international security expert. In Canada, Democracy Watch challenges the RCMP is in violation of the Access to Information Act, releasing less than half of promised records into obstruction of any SNC-Lavalin prosecution by the Trudeau cabinet. Guest: Duff Conacher. Co-founder Democracy Watch.   When Israel launches a ground offensive against Hamas in Gaza what are the greatest challenges/obstacles the IDF will face? - Should a wider war break out with Hezbollah engaging Israel from Lebanon to the north and possibly Syria with Israel fighting on at least three fronts what are the most likely scenarios? And as powerful as the IDF is can it engage successfully on three fronts simultaneously (and perhaps more)? Would the U.S. and perhaps other Israel allies respond with boots on the ground support? And as far as continued material and unabated support for Ukraine is concerned, what does our guest say is absolutely essential?  Guest: General Rick Hillier. CAF (ret'd) Former Chief of the Defence Staff. Books: A Soldier First / Leadership.    Is a full regional war in the Middle East likely? Possible? Unlikely? What will determine actions in the next days and weeks? Guest: Professor Daniel Pipes. Historian, Mid East, Islamism and U.S. foreign policy analyst. Founder of the Middle East Forum (MEForum.org). Book: Israel Victory, Zionist Acceptance, Palestinian Liberation. --------------------------------------------- Host/Content Producer – Roy Green Technical/Podcast Producer – Tom Craig Podcast Co-Producer – Matt Taylor If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Roy Green Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/roygreen/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is a full regional war in the Middle East likely? Possible? Unlikely? What will determine actions in the next days and weeks? Guest: Professor Daniel Pipes. Historian, Mid East, Islamism and U.S. foreign policy analyst. Founder of the Middle East Forum (MEForum.org). Book: Israel Victory, Zionist Acceptance, Palestinian Liberation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Story behind the numbers: Salvador Herrera shot and killed while intervening in car theft  (9:58) Campus response to Israel-Hamas war  (29:33) Cruelty of the Left (51:47) Sports & Politics: The economics of college sports participation (1:05:52) Daniel Pipes, president of the Middle East Forum: The people of Gaza are tired of being forced to play the victim For more from Daniel visit danielpipes.com (1:23:22) Noted economist Stephen Moore is shocked to learn democrats approve tax cuts for the rich... when it's for their own For more Steve @StephenMoore (1:38:28) Scott McKay, publisher of the Hayride & contributing editor at the American Spectator, is hoping Louisiana's Red Blowout will Translate Nationally Check out Scott's most recent book The Revivalist Manifesto (1:55:25) THE GREAT DISINTEGRATION: Migrants See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

GUEST 1 OVERVIEW: Anne Marie Waters is UKIP's Justice Spokeswoman, an author of In Defense of Democracy, and co-author with Daniel Pipes of Beyond Terror: Islam's Slow Erosion of Western Democracy and is a courageous witness to the dangers that threaten 21st century Great Britain. GUEST 2 OVERVIEW: Col. Frederick Chedham served in the British Army for 25 years, rising to the rank of Colonel, holding command and staff appointments both in the UK and Internationally and is a spokesman for Reform UK on Defense related and national security issues. GUEST 3 OVERVIEW: DD Denslow is a British chemist, science teacher, ex military finance/procurement specialist turned political commentator and free speech advocate AND he's the host of TNT Radio's Digging Deeper with DD Denslow.

GUEST 1 OVERVIEW: William Atkinson is Conservative Home's Assistant Editor. He graduated from Oxford, where he studied History, in 2021. He then worked as a teacher in North London before joining Conservative Home in March 2022. His website is http://www.conservativehome.com/ GUEST 2 OVERVIEW: Anne Marie Waters is UKIP's Justice Spokeswoman, an author of In Defense of Democracy, and co-author with Daniel Pipes of Beyond Terror: Islam's Slow Erosion of Western Democracy and is a courageous witness to the dangers that threaten 21st century Great Britain.  

GUEST 1 OVERVIEW: Anne Marie Waters is UKIP's Justice Spokeswoman, an author of In Defense of Democracy, and co-author with Daniel Pipes of Beyond Terror: Islam's Slow Erosion of Western Democracy and is a courageous witness to the dangers that threaten 21st century Great Britain. GUEST 2 OVERVIEW: Craig Kelly is United Australia Party National Director. Kelly initially entered politics as a member of the Liberal Party of Australia, and was elected to the Australian House of Representatives at the 2010 federal election, as a member of parliament (MP) for the division of Hughes. He resigned from the Liberal Party in February 2021 to sit on the crossbench as an independent politician, before announcing that he was joining the United Australia Party in August of that year, and was appointed as the party's leader.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been around for close to a century but most people – certainly most Americans and Europeans – know very little about it. Is it reformist and non-violent as its spokesmen and defenders claim? Or is it – as Cynthia Farahat argues in a new book – the world's most dangerous terrorist organization? The book is titled: The Secret Apparatus: The Muslim Brotherhood's Industry of Death. Cynthia Farahat is an Egyptian-American writer, counterterrorism expert, and fellow at the Middle East Forum, whose president, Daniel Pipes, a distinguished scholar, wrote the forward to her book. She joins host Cliff May as well as FDD's Reuel Marc Gerecht, formerly a Middle Eastern specialist at the CIA's Directorate of Operations, to discuss.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been around for close to a century but most people – certainly most Americans and Europeans – know very little about it. Is it reformist and non-violent as its spokesmen and defenders claim? Or is it – as Cynthia Farahat argues in a new book – the world's most dangerous terrorist organization? The book is titled: The Secret Apparatus: The Muslim Brotherhood's Industry of Death. Cynthia Farahat is an Egyptian-American writer, counterterrorism expert, and fellow at the Middle East Forum, whose president, Daniel Pipes, a distinguished scholar, wrote the forward to her book. She joins host Cliff May as well as FDD's Reuel Marc Gerecht, formerly a Middle Eastern specialist at the CIA's Directorate of Operations, to discuss.

Daniel Pipes will provide a summary of Cynthia Farahat's book, The Secret Apparatus: The Muslim Brotherhood's Industry of Death (2022). Cynthia Farahat will discuss what she means by the "secret apparatus." Jonathan Schanzer will address the ways in which the U.S. government should approach the Muslim Brotherhood.

In this episode, Dinesh is joined by historian Daniel Pipes who talks about the evidence for Muslims around the world converting to Christianity based upon them seeing visions and dreams of Jesus.  Dinesh also answers the atheist conundrum, "If God wanted to show Himself to mankind, why did He send his son at such a remote time to such an obscure corner of the world?" Dinesh also provides updates on the Supreme Court and Biden's vaccine mandate, as well as Governor Abbott's decision to go ahead and build a Texas border wall. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Former Vice President Mike Pence will discuss the differences in Middle East policy between the Trump and Biden administrations. Topics will include the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan. He will be in discussion with Daniel Pipes.

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Coming together under attack, and then – even greater divisions which are here even today. “The main lesson from 9/11 is that Islamism – radical Islam – is a great threat to the entire world”, said Daniel Pipes, founder of Middle East Forum, the son of the advisor of President Reagan, on Against the Tide TV. -- Please Share and Like http://againstthetide.tv https://www.facebook.com/againstthetidetv https://twitter.com/AgainstTideTV To support our television: http://againstthetide.tv/donate Kod BIC (Swift): BPKOPLPW IBAN: PL 81 1020 2964 0000 6502 0045 8331 http://megachurch.pl/ Support this podcast

Świadkowie zamachów 11 września. 20 lat po atakach na WTC. Mija 20 lat od ataków islamskich terrorystów 11 września 2001 na World Trade Center i Pentagon. W zamachu zginęło 2996 osób, w tym 8 Polaków. Syn doradcy Reagana, historyk Daniel Pipes w IPP oraz świadkowie i mieszkańcy NYC #September11 #WTC #NYC 00:00 Jan Szymański, świadek wydarzeń z 11 września 2001 w NYC 4:43 Daniel Pipes dla IPPTV 27:17 Jacek Drabik, Klub IPPTV Chicago 37:53 FRAGMENT FILMU „CO KRYJE KURZ” 40:05 Pastor Paweł Chojecki & red. Cezary Kłosowicz

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“Are Israeli Arabs finally moderating?” Daniel Pipes asked in late 2020. The speech on Apr. 1 by Mansour Abbas of the Islamist Ra’am party suggests just that possibility; further, he might become kingmaker following a closely divided Israeli election. Why did Abbas choose this novel route and how does he differ from his peers? What follows if an Islamist party joins a Zionist coalition?

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Islamic expansions, Campaigns, The Mongols, Muslim rulers, Sacred history, Historical objectivity, Orientalism, Hadith criticism   We touch on all of this with Hassam Munir.   Hassam Munir is currently pursuing an MA in Mediterranean and Middle East History at the University of Toronto. He is a research fellow at Yaqeen Institute. He has experience in the fields of journalism and public history, and was recognized as an Emerging Historian at the 2017 Heritage Toronto Awards.   Hosts : Tanzim & Rafael     Please email us your comments, feedback, and questions at: info@boysinthecave.com, and leave a review and 5-star rating on iTunes!   Check out our website - boysinthecave.com   Follow us on: Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/boysinthecave/   Instagram – @boysinthecave   Twitter - @boysinthecave   Become a Patreon today! https://www.patreon.com/boysinthecave   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hassam's Online Visibility https://twitter.com/HassamM_ https://www.ihistory.co/ https://www.facebook.com/hassammm   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shownotes Intro:                                   00:00:00             Tanzim:                              00:00:16 Welcome back to another episode of boys in the cave. My name is Tanzim and I'm joined by my cohost Rafael and alhamdullilah I'm joined by someone very special today. So Hassam Munir one year is the, is our special guest today and he is currently pursuing an MBA in Mediterranean and Middle East. History at the University of Toronto is a research fellow at Yaqeen Institute. He has experience in the field of journalism and public history and was recognized as an emerging historian as at the 2017 heritage Toronto awards. So Assalam Walaykum Hassan and welcome to boys in the cave. Hassam:                             00:00:52 Walaykum Assalam thank you so much for the invitation Tanzim:                              00:00:56 JazakAllah Khayr for uh coming on accepting our invitation and actually just doing some background research. I saw you were on, um, you've already done a few interviews, you know, you're in involved with Yaqeen institute, so how has your experience been just doing all that sort of stuff when it comes to, you know, putting your material out there even I'm, I've seen some blogs and articles that you've done as well. Hassam:                             00:01:19 Uh, yeah, absolutely. My entire, um, you know, reason for getting into the field of history has always been about just trying to make that knowledge more accessible because there's, you know, a lot of amazing research that's done at universities, uh, by independent researchers, even by some of the traditional, uh, traditionally trained Islamic scholars around the world. And, but it never sort of reaches the public in a way that they can, uh, you know, easily engage with it and learn from it and find inspiration in it. So I just tried to take information from some of these, you know, thick, dusty books in libraries and these journal articles that people generally will not find or go looking for and try to repackage that information and presented in a way that people, uh, are sort of, um, you know, there's a shock value to it that wow, is this also Islamic history? Is this also what Muslims have done or what Muslims have experienced? Um, and, uh, I think it makes for a much more, uh, thorough and, uh, a much more, uh, you know, appreciated understanding of, uh, who we are as Muslims and what our tradition is all about. Tanzim:                              00:02:28 Yeah. I think for sure starting from the very beginning of Islamic history, and I know this is something that a lot of your research has gone into, the kind of spread of Islam and the nature of that. Um, but one of the things that brought me to Islam was actually studying history. So I study history at University of Sydney and um, mashAllah, I was really, yeah, if you saw my marks, you wouldn't be saying that, but I have the low things. Everything's going all right so far. But I suppose one of the things that brought Rafael:                                00:03:00 me to Islam was my fascination with Islamic history. I remember when I was about 13 or 14 years old, I found this dusty old history textbook in the back of a library at school one day. And I just flipped through it cause it's always been my life. History has always been my passion and, and the thing I wanted to make a career out of. So I remember picking up this dusty old textbook and it had in the Islamic world to 1600 and I think I read that 10 page chapter about 150 times and I just couldn't take my eyes and my hands off it. It was the most fascinating thing I'd ever read. I obviously hadn't heard much about Islam growing up too in a, in a non Muslim family in the West. Um, but picking up this textbook, I was kind of entranced by Islam. Rafael:                                00:03:45 It's symbols and the early history and, and, and it's the way it kind of burst forth this tiny isolated peninsula, uh, that had been of little interest to anyone, uh, for, you know, the Romans, the Persians, no one really cared about the Arabian peninsula and, and, and especially the hedgers, um, and then how it spread to become this empire of science and, and culture, uh, being very important as well. So for people who aren't really aware of the beginnings of Islam and how it spread from sort of, you know, a very small group of Arab, um, and Abyssinian, uh, followers in a very isolated part of the world to kind of global religion that flourished from China all the way to the Pyrenees in France. Um, how did that, how did that happen and what were the sort of, you know, what was the sort of breakdown of, of that transformation? Hassam:                             00:04:48 Um, so that's obviously a very, very large complex question that people, um, you know, you could dedicate your entire life to studying it and people have and you only end up scratching the surface. Right? Um, there's many questions within that. Um, you're right in that it was an incredible, um, transportation, uh, sorry TransformNation I should say at the global level. And um, but it was very much, uh, the foundations were very much laid, um, during the lifetime of Prophet Mohammad. So Allahu la was sending himself. And this is something we sometimes, uh, you know, fail to recognize in this larger question of Islamic history and the spread of Islam, et Cetera, is that the principles and the values and, um, the precedents that were set by the profits of the law while they was selling them and his followers around him, um, have remained the, uh, consistently accessible source of inspiration for Muslims throughout history. Hassam:                             00:05:52 So obviously in this question we have many different questions about and um, Muslims conquering certain areas of the world, Islam spreading to certain areas of the world, uh, through other sort of factors and mechanisms such as trade, such as migration, such as intermarriage, such as influential people in different societies converting to Islam and their followers sort of following them into Islam. So there's these many different factors as well as the scientific production of the Muslims, you know, inheriting all this knowledge from the pre Islamic civilizations and developing it, uh, with the purpose of understanding, um, the creation of a loss of hunter who with Eila, and then also sharing it further back with other civilizations. So, you know, it's a very complex, there's so many angles that we can go on here on this question. But I think a key thing to keep in mind as a starting point is that it is the consistency of Islam that has been exceptional throughout history. Hassam:                             00:06:58 A lot of movement start, a lot of developments happen, a lot of new ideas and ideologies emerge in history. But over time, as they spread to different places, they become very drawn out. They become stretched in to the point that whatever you know, connection, um, whatever original source, uh, they had that brought it together initially. Um, it had become so different and so distant from that that it's almost like you have, you know, different ideologies and it's a completely different thing. But Islam has always been Islam and the core on obviously the authoritative source, the Sunnah of The Prophet SAW as the authoritative source. And the Islamic tradition. So well organized right from the very beginning. You know, the process through which Islamic knowledge was produced, that no matter where Islam went, whether it went to China, whether it went to South America, whether it went to Europe, whether it went to small islands in the Pacific, at different points in history, Islam could be practiced keeping those core principles and those core practices of the tradition intact while also taking whatever was acceptable in the local culture and local customs and bringing that into the way Islam was practiced. Hassam:                             00:08:16 And I think that's part of the beauty of our history. Rafael:                                00:08:19 One of the points I kind of wanted to touch upon fall was that that is certainly been the case. Um, I think certainly, I think probably from a later sort of time, a lot of people would argue that early Islamic history was actually quite fractured. Uh, you know, you had the kind of [inaudible] theological differences. For example, you had like my Teslas and Ashley's, which actually became a very political difference during the time of the manner. Uh, but you also had the kind of insurrectionists, uh, hardy. Jeez, you had the [inaudible] movements and then you had the Condo of Tanzim:                              00:08:56 Plethora of impious Caliphs who didn't really seek to do anything except for advanced their own position. So how, how did you know, how does that sort of fit into the understanding that Islam was traditionally maintained to? Because even people say that motel z lights, like if it didn't get backing from the government, then we would have all been from the Airbus. Yeah. From, from [inaudible]. That's where the issue comes is like, do we truly have that, um, tradition intact and are we really, um, continue that tradition that we see from whistle whistle some or was it kind of dictated by the governments or the powers of the time? Hassam:                             00:09:37 Um, if, you know, it's a point that can be argued. Um, and I think there are some arguments, uh, you know, good arguments that could be made on, um, many different perspectives and approaches to how we answered this question. My argument would be that there has still, uh, been that consistency, um, relative to the way that other ideas, other, uh, worldviews, ways of understanding the world have spread throughout history. Within Islam, there has still been that a consistency and still been that, um, regular, um, you know, consistent reference back to the original sources. So yes, there have been many different movements. Um, there have been many different understandings as there continued to be today. Many, you know, accepted and many non accepted differences of opinion. Um, and I think, you know, once again it speaks to diversity, um, that is possible within the Islamic tradition and how, um, sort of Islam can respond to different contexts and different, um, you know, situations without using its essential reality. Hassam:                             00:10:47 Um, but at the same time I would argue that that consistency has remained. Yes, there were very, uh, you know, um, very pronounced sort of differences between people, uh, practicing Islam or claiming to practice Islam in different ways and different forums. Um, and it's, sometimes it is very clear when, um, they seem to have really pushed the boundaries of what we can consider the Islamic tradition. But I would still argue that there has been, um, this, you know, I think historically speaking from a historical lens, the fact that, um, even today a Muslim from Siberia and Russia can travel, um, and find a must Jude in sub Saharan Africa, in west Africa and go inside the Messenger and they wouldn't need an introduction to what they have to do. The fact that they know that they're do certain things that they have to do, the fact that they know where to stand for the prayer, what is being recited, et Cetera, all of these things, um, the fact that we can expect that to be a normative case, I think that is a very exceptional thing about the Islamic tradition within human history. Because rarely, extremely rarely, and to be honest, I wouldn't, um, find any comparable example of that level of, uh, shared, um, you know, core principles, values, beliefs and practices, um, in any other worldview that has existed and spread so far in the world, uh, throughout Islam, throughout human history, I should say. Rafael:                                00:12:21             I would certainly agree with that in the sense that Islam was maintained, uh, from a very early, from a very, very early time in kind of this understanding of traditional knowledge and knowledge of the tsunami that that was, uh, transmitted through various teachers to all the teachers who kept the, the traditional life. Um, and you know, we still have preserved aspects of the early foundational takes of Islamic law for example, um, that have been authentically transmitted and we still use them as a source today. And I don't think that there are really, as you mentioned, any other major religious or cultural traditions that can claim that. But one of the points I really wanted to ask you about was how did religion inform the early conquests of the Muslim empires, particularly? Um, the one that, that first springs to mind, and it was probably the most significant, was the, uh, defeat the invasion and defeat of both the Byzantines empire. Rafael:                                00:13:19 So the Roman Byzantines in Syria and the Persians, cause everyone understand sort of that Muslims defeated the Persians and the Romans. It was always that prophecy with, uh, I'm fairly sure a full loss of la La Hello. Someone mentioned that, you know, the two great empires and pals of the time would be defeated by the Muslims and people kind of laughed at that, but then eventually they did. But how, how did religion inform those movements? So some people would certainly claim that it was a, a kind of Muslims were implored to go out militarily and expand the empire. Was it, was it, was that the case or was it more kind of, I've also heard people say that it just so happened that the Muslims became embroiled in conflicts with these two powers and then, uh, consequently they, those two powers were defeated by Muslim armies and hence Muslims occupied the lands. Hassam:                             00:14:16 Um, so, you know, one of the things I always like to, you know, emphasize in my research, um, for most topics in Islamic history or history in general, is that we often seek, um, very straightforward sort of, uh, you know, simple answers to extremely complicated situations. If we take the life of one individual, whether today or a thousand years ago, if I take my own life and why I make my decisions, how I make my decisions, how my decisions impact my environment, how am I environment responds and impacts my further decisions? It's a very complicated process regardless of what my, uh, stated, uh, purpose, what my stated inspiration might be. Right. So that's one thing to keep in mind, not to say that this isn't a question that needs to be discussed, but I think that's very important to keep in mind before we jump into that discussion. Hassam:                             00:15:12 Now you mentioned the two sort of primary, uh, you know, commonplace perspectives on this question. I think, um, the latter one is more, you know, the, the, the perspective which says that the Muslims, um, became embroiled in the, uh, you know, the political developments in the region. Um, I think that one is just a bit more, um, you know, leaning towards d, You know, a reasonable interpretation of the sources we have available. Let me put it that way. But at the same time, there was this, uh, you know, this impetus, right? There are, these are Heidi from the profits of the law who leu was along himself that predict these, uh, particular conquests of the Byzantines and assassinate Persians, um, in particular and also Islam reaching particular places. So initially I think the most reasonable explanation is that initially during the life of the profits of the law, who, while he was selling them and his early successors, what the idea was that, um, the message of Islam had to be communicated and in cases where there were, um, limitations on the communication of that message. Hassam:                             00:16:35 Um, and you know, part of the communication of that message was the political situation of the Muslims because from the perspective of people in the Byzantine Empire, indecisive and empire, um, they recognize this suddenly emerging threat just because of how, um, fast Islam spread in the Arabian peninsula itself. Right? So for them it was this serious threat. It wasn't the Muslims, like, you know, a fly sort of going and landing on their nose and them trying to like swat it away or something that initially caused these things, but they recognize Islam and we have a Heidi's and narrations that, you know, tell us to that effect as well that they were concerned. And for example, um, you know, when I was Sophie on, uh, before he embraces Islam, he goes to Syria on a trade mission, a heraclitis. He actually, you know, gives him a little interview about who is this person [inaudible] then he's asking all of these questions because they need this information. Hassam:                             00:17:33 So it wasn't a Muslim, you know, insurgency into these empires that started these conflicts initially. Um, there was this, um, idea on, you know, the end on the side of the Muslims within the understanding and the worldview of the Muslims. And this was normative at the time, um, that they had to communicate this message and this worldview and they had to brush aside some of the impediments. Right. But at the same time, you know, on the other side, there was this more political, um, perspective on the situation that this is an emerging sort of regional power and we have to respond to it. So oftentimes you'll find the Roman armies coming two words Arabia rather than the Muslims going to words Roman controlled sham first. Right? So again, it becomes a very complicated situation once the Muslims have actually established their rule there. And even the conquest, I mean, the word conquest is very broad and very easy to use to explain, um, wary complex events again, but not all places were militarily conquered. Hassam:                             00:18:44 Some places, uh, the Muslim armies were actually welcomed by the local people because they were seen as liberator's from more oppressive rulers who had ruled in that region before. Right. And in some places there were treaties made, there was no conflict, there were treaties made, and then the Muslims receded and went back, et cetera. So there were all these different types of scenarios that played out in different situations. Yes, there's no denying. And I think Muslims sometimes do go, you know, overstep when it comes to denying that there was a, a military and there was a violent aspect to the conquest at times. But when you see, for example, you know, one of my favorite examples is business insider. This online blog. Um, they had this animation that they posted a few years ago on Facebook, which shows the spread of different religions and you know, they show when it comes to Islam, obviously it quickly, this little green splotch on the map emerges and you know, around the year six 22 and then it just explodes and spreads all over North Africa, Asia, everything is everywhere all of a sudden. Hassam:                             00:19:55 And the fact too, I think the important thing to really recognize here is that the spread and the movement of Muslim armies can't be equated with the spread of Islam itself. Because the real question here is many historians will recognize that yes, it was normative for one people to conquer another people than for different particular localities. There'll be under one empire, then there'll be under another empire. And this was how the premodern world, um, worked. Right. Um, but the real problematic question is that well, were all those people then forced to convert to Islam at the point of the sword when those armies actually got there and what these maps and these animations kind of, uh, mislead people into thinking is that just because the Muslim armies within a hundred years had reached Spain and had reached the of China and all these places? You know, even at the time in many places in Arabia, Islam hadn't been established in the sense that the majority of the population was Muslim, much less anywhere outside the Arabian peninsula. Hassam:                             00:20:59 And obviously that's a different question, you know, all together about how did Islam actually spread the pace of it, the mechanisms and factors involved. But I think the key thing to keep in mind is that yes, the reconquest yes, at times that were violent at times of are nonviolent, but the conquest themselves do not represent the spread of Islam or the imposition. The forced imposition of Islam on to any of the conquered peoples and such conquests were normative at the time. And when we speak of them, we're speaking of them not in a prescriptive sense, not in the sense that Muslims today have to get up and replicate that situation, but as a historical phenomenon in a descriptive sense that yes, this happened, we're not going to deny it and we're going to take the relative, uh, lessons that we can from it. Uh, from a historical perspective. Rafael:                                00:21:49 Well, you mentioned that there's historians who have the opinion that by the nature of empire empires to expand like they're with you. I don't think you can ever name an empire in history that was content with its influence. It always wanted to grow its influence and, and grow its wealth and its, and prestige of the dynasties that ruled it and so forth. I think someone asked me, Hassam:                             00:22:10 sorry, one thing I'd just like to mention briefly about empires. I think another thing to keep in mind is that there's a lot of, um, you know, anti imperialism sentiment and anti imperialism, movements, et cetera. Uh, nowadays and many people, um, including myself and others, we've sort of learned in an environment where, you know, imperialism is taught to be a very bad thing. But again, from an intellectual perspective, um, we do have to ask questions about, you know, speaking about the expansion of empires as this really horrible thing that occurred in history. And yet, even today, you know, we continue to live in a world that has empires in different forums. There are multinational corporations that exploit people. Um, there are, you know, foreign policy infants, Rafael:                                00:22:57 Susan wanted states governments and was it any different from an empire? Hassam:                             00:23:01 Exactly. They function essentially to the detriment of conquered peoples. They function exactly like pre-modern empires and we continue to benefit even those of us who claim to be against imperialism. We continue to benefit the clothes. We wear, the food we eat, the cars we drive, we benefit from, you know, the suffering of people who are, uh, having these, you know, imperialist ambitions imposed on them without their free will. So I think we have to interrogate ourselves and keep that in mind as well. Um, that before we, you know, step back and start to judge everyone in history for everything they've done. How do those practices continue today and how do we allow those practices to continue and benefit? Yeah. Rafael:                                00:23:42 The kind of subtle empire that, that, you know, alludes our kind of gaze now. But we somehow manage to criticize a every other empire in history. It's, it's strange, isn't it? I mean, you don't have to look very deep to see the, uh, the empires that are at play that the empires were playing the game of chess in the world at the moment. Um, does even, you know, like tributaries and puppet rulers that are established nowadays that are exactly the same as what happened to our history. Exactly the same thing. But I think it's different words, different, different words, different definitions. And this called, we call it something else. Yeah. It's like they're trying to put fancy meanings to those words in order for us to look as if we're smarter and better. No, we've, we've progressed. Yeah. We're on. Yeah. We've politically reminder. Well, that's not exactly true. Rafael:                                00:24:32 The same ideas as back in those times. I actually wrote Hassan a major essay about the expansion of Islam. And um, I answered the question about how is whether Islam was spread by the sword exactly the same as kind of how you mentioned that understanding of the empire being the kind of political system and empires by their nature expanding. And so I said, if you believe that the empires, uh, that did expand in the name of Islam, we're acting Islamically then the real question is actually not did the Muslim empires expand, but was the expansion of the Muslim empires the kind of religiously correct way or the religiously correct manner and more important than that? What did that expansion actually mean? Like you mentioned, uh, the, the misconception that Muslims were forced to convert. It was even, it was even less than Muslims, uh, that, sorry, that normal, some populations were not forced to convert in on my ad times. I actually read that they didn't like, uh, conversions as much and basically they still levied the GCR, which was the, um, tax for the religious tax against certain new converts to Islam from Persian and Christian backgrounds. Such was the discouragement of conversions because the early or Maya the elite didn't really want the, or didn't really consider the need for their actual populace to become Muslim. Is that, is that true? How, how accurate is that? Hassam:                             00:26:05 Um, well, based on all of the sources I've encountered, um, that's exactly right. You know, for the [inaudible] situation in particular at much of that earlier, you know, quick expansion of Islam from Spain to China that we're talking about did you know, occur in d omega yet period between sort of the six sixties and the seven 50, that century was when most of that expansion occurred. Um, and you know, again, from the sources I've, uh, come across and sort of engaged with it is exactly that, that the, uh, as a matter of policy, um, they liked to, um, sort of, uh, keep de non Muslim populations as they were and actually actively discouraged conversion. And you know, this was for one because it wasn't any kind of, um, you know, this was much easier for the conquered populations to accept because it almost became a sort of, um, secularized expansion. Hassam:                             00:27:05 Right. It is just another empire divorced from the worldview that these particular people stand for. Yes, they might believe in it, but they often, you know, the Muslim conquerors, they wouldn't even live in those cities that they conquered. They would have their own little settlements just outside the city, et cetera. And this is how some of the biggest cities that we know of in the Islamic world, such as Cairo, right, was formed. There was an existing city and there was a Muslim settlement of the Muslim forces outside that city. And slowly the two of them, you know, came together and formed this enormous metropolis in Egypt. Right. And, and so there wasn't, um, that sort of active and in the early stages, a not even, um, Darwalla for example, right? Not even invitation to Islam. So all of this was an, we have to slow down the pace and look at it. Hassam:                             00:27:52 This was an extremely gradual process. The Amelia is in particular coming back to their policy. They loved the fact that, um, they could, um, extract the, uh, GCI in some cases it was the GCO which was the, the payment, um, required from the non Muslim population, um, in exchange, uh, for protecting dem, offering protection to them. Um, and, and, and sometimes it wasn't GCO, sometimes other forms and other forms of tribute and other forms of, um, you know, payment. And we're also established and for the conquered people, this was often nothing new, the same kind of attributes that they had paid to rulers in the past and oftentimes much easier on them than what they had paid to, uh, you know, would it be the Romans or the Persians or whoever that particular, um, pre Islamic ruler happened to be. Um, and again, it's just a, you know, it's almost, you know, silly to keep saying this, but at the same time it's just, you know, baffling how often in our discussions we don't keep in mind how complex this movement is. Hassam:                             00:29:04 Again, like I mentioned, and that's why I like to mention this previously one persons, um, decisions are so complicated. Now imagine the decisions of thousands of people as a, you know, and their interactions and the environment they build and how their environment affects them, et cetera. So in the Umayyad case as well, there is this particular environment where they were encouraging expansion. They love the Jessia and it was during the Ommaya time. I think that, um, the leadership really started to behave like, uh, the pre Islamic, uh, sort of rulers and, uh, you know, in I'm one article of way building, you don't have pirate builders and kings and extracting tribute for and expanding their empire for the sake of just having to claim to this enormous land, et cetera. And when you actually look at it and you know, look at their policies about whether they were trying to convert people to Islam, that wasn't the case at all. And it seems like it almost wasn't a priority for them. Rafael:                                00:30:03 Yeah. I've even heard commentators and historians referred to the [inaudible] and even the ambassador, uh, qualify as being almost comparable to secular rulers in the sense that some of them were even nominally Muslim. Hassam:                             00:30:18             I would see lots of examples. Yeah. Rafael:                                00:30:21 That, that they really had no interest in imposing a quote unquote state religion. And that religion didn't even inform the kind of laws that they often, you know, mandated the Baitullah mother. Didn't I have the like, wasn't that sort of things like that sort of justify that they were, you know, um, religiously inclined if some of them were definitely religious, Saint Klein, for example, Amada monopolies eas, no one can really doubt the piety and genuine faith of California would have been Abdelaziz, but there were 100%. There were, there were, um, Caliphs who had very little to do with any kind of religious, uh, promotion in terms of the populace. However, I think this is something that's a distinction. There were kind of creations of Islamic, uh, culture at the time that were done. So not to promote Islam in the society, but to kind of display the prestige on and the glory of the rulers themselves. Would you, would you say, would you say that's correct? Hassam:                             00:31:21 Um, I would say that's absolutely correct. I mean, if we look at, again, you know, the best, uh, of examples of Muslim leadership, um, the profits of the law while he was sending them, there were no, um, you know, just look at the, any of the descriptions of his own mosque during his time. Right. Um, and, uh, you know, just built of, um, very, uh, basic form of sort of raw materials, et Cetera, whatever it was locally available. And then you see examples of even when these Islamic Empire had considerably expanded, um, like during the time of, uh, automotive, no hotdog, but at the Ella Hawaiian, you see the example of, for example, the Roman ambassador coming to Medina and finding him just laying sort of in the dirt outside of Dumbest Shit, right? So you find all of these examples of their, um, a, of their, of their simplicity, not their powerlessness, but their, and not a false, uh, sort of, uh, you know, management on display of humility. Hassam:                             00:32:25 But they're genuine simplicity because they're, they were investing their time and energy elsewhere. And oftentimes in what you see in the later kings is you'll see these, um, grand, a sort of structures that are to establish their own prestige, um, and sometimes even the prestige. So sometimes it's a mix of boats such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, right by, um, uh, I've done [inaudible] given that amount of wine who was considered the first empire builder, one of the early, uh, [inaudible] k lifts. Um, but it does become about, you know, Thrones and glittery buildings. And my favorite example from Islamic history is really the, the Taj Mahal. Right? Um, and you see this building, which had really, you know, obviously it's making a lot of money for India today and has for a very long time, but considering the fact that it, there is considerable evidence that it actually, um, you know, brought down to some extent the economy of the Mughal empire at the time, um, complete, you know, waste and for what? Right. And representing what exactly. So, uh, there were, um, many examples I think where rulers did pursue policies and they did pursue projects that had very little to do with Islam and you know, really took a heavy influence from um, what they saw kings and rulers and other parts of the world and those that came before them. Rafael:                                00:33:52 If you are sort of a, an untied this to my audience, if you are sort of a practicing brother or sister and you do want to look into Islamic history and you want to kind of a judgement for which you want you to look into this standard note, that's one of it. If you want to kind of standard through which to understand many of the rulers look at what the great polymer, uh, wrote about many of the governments of the time and the relationship between the ultimate and the government. [inaudible] was very critical. Uh, I only throw him a love was very, very critical of the Omi ed policy towards non Arab Muslims. Um, in my, Malik had a very fractured relationship with the, the government that even culminated in him, him being tortured. I think at some point, three out of the foyer, memes were locked in jail or tortured by rulers. Rafael:                                00:34:42 Right. So if you want to understand how these rulers generally operated in relation to the religion itself, all you need to do is look at the relationship between side and the receipt with the Turkish government. Yes. Some next level stuff that he did, like he got abandoned. You're exhausted and you know, the stuff they wrote in the process and got Gerald and like nor even just like back in those times, but even the, um, recent times they were secular rulers to the Kemalists editor split. The understanding though that, that what has often happened in the name of the Islamic Empire is very different from what the people who are most knowledgeable in terms of the religion would have preferred or what, what they were actually directly calling for. How does the sort of expansion of Islam as an empire compared to other empires directly? For example, people might look, I often used to draw comparisons, the Mongol Empire, which is also a really important example for Muslims because, uh, the Mongols with us kind of scorge of Islam who obviously sacked Baghdad, they killed more Muslims than I think have ever been killed by any other foreign army. A lot of people thought that the Mongols were even your, uh, your agenda. My George [inaudible] was so dramatic and terrible for the Muslims. Um, I don't think many of us would understand how bad it was. Uh, but then they converted to Islam. Three out of the four Mongo is converted to Islam. But yeah. In terms of the expansion and the influence that Islam was able to have on societies compared to say what the Byzantines were able to do, what assassinated Persians were able to do, how does it compare? Hassam:                             00:36:29 Um, well, you know, Ma, every, you know, empire can be a unit of study in itself. Right. And in, in your sort of, within that context, what was going on and, but then the time period during which that empire existed, what was going on? Um, I think in terms of military, um, or even non military, um, you know, just the spread of an empire's influence, um, Islam, uh, or the Islamic empire. Um, I think first of all, we should, uh, interrogate that term itself. What we mean by Islamic Empire because as you've heard us discussing many of these empires while Dever led by Muslims and, um, primarily, um, uh, you know, had Muslim populations, um, as a matter of policymaking. And when it come to some of the, uh, officiating, no empire business, um, it wasn't too much inspired by actual Islamic teachings, right? So we have particular empires such as the who may yet such as the basset such as the later on, you know, that started joke send the mum Luke's and um, the song gay and the Sokoto in West Africa and you know, more of a reds in, in Spain and in many parts of the world, the moguls in India, et cetera. Hassam:                             00:37:46 Right? So we have all of these different empires. Initially, if we're talking about the initial expansion of Islam and I guess during the Omega Dynasty when most of what we now consider the core Muslim lands were, you know, um, unified, uh, at least nominally under one leadership, you know, the, you may it leader who had his seat in Damascus, in Syria. I think, um, in terms of the expansion, there really is no, um, comparison, right? Um, there really is no comparison in terms of the expansion itself of how fast that expansion was other than, and again, we're talking about the movement and expansion of the Muslim armies here. And I think the one exception would be the Mongols. The Mongols are the only sort of comparable the Roman empire. While we do talk about how enormous it was and how influential it was and how many different parts of the world are touched. Hassam:                             00:38:48 Um, we have to look at the scale here. So when the Mongols were just looking at, um, you know, a few decades for most of the expansions in the early Muslim empire, but just looking at a few decades, right. And the Romans had expanded considerably. Um, but their expansion generally was more drawn out over time. So it took a lot of time for these expansions to, um, you know, the empire to expand and then maybe a rebellion, so cave in a little bit and expand further, et cetera. Um, but again, in terms of, um, cultural, when it comes to cultural influence, then we're looking at a different set of criteria. So in that sense, for example, even the Greeks, the Athenian Empire, right? And we have to remember that the people who introduced democracy where themselves and imperialist people, right? If Damien it was a city, but they expanded and they were an empire, they have all the characteristics, right? Hassam:                             00:39:42 Um, they were expansionist, um, they had a huge influence even though are in terms of what they controlled and how far their influence reach two different questions or influenced reach enormously far. Um, but what they controlled was actually not very much. So these, all of these different variables we can play around with. Um, you know, maybe we can come back a bit to the Mongo question in particular. Um, I think the difference was that there is no comparison. Obviously there's a comparison between the timescale and the sort of, uh, area over which the expansion occurred. But I think there's no comparison in the sort of brutality of the Mongo conquest. They were much more, um, from all of the historical sources. And that's also something worth interrogating because we paint the Mongols as sort of like these I, you know, including into Muslim community, but many people who are more or less familiar with history in general like this unparalleled, you know, sometimes like the only people, you know, oftentimes you'll see the Mongo as compared to our, like the Nazis or something. Hassam:                             00:40:50 Like these are the worst of the worst. Like how bad could it possibly get right. Um, but the Muslim conquest were not as disruptive. They were not as destructive. They were not as, um, not nearly as wild Lindt in terms of, um, just the amount of people, um, killed. And the amount of infrastructural damage caused as a Mongo conquest were. And I think there is that interesting question. Right? And then the Mongo conquest, we're further, so there was that aspect among was for much more violent. Um, and the other aspect is that the Mongols within a few generations, as you mentioned, wherever they had expanded to the assimilated into the local culture and customs and religion, et Cetera, three of the four Mongo cognates as you mentioned, embraced Islam. Um, and in, in China they embrace Buddhism, etc. So they sort of assimilate it locally. Hassam:                             00:41:46 Um, and so that's the two distinctions and that was, makes the early Muslim conquest really exceptional where the Muslims, yes, they did obviously take on a local sort of, um, you know, uh, cultures and things of that sort. But their essence, as we mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, um, the essential, um, values and practices of the people remained intact, um, as well as not having to be nearly as violent to achieve the same amount of expansion in a very similar time scale. So I think that's what really makes what the early Muslim conquest so exceptional even when compared to the Mongol conquest. Tanzim:                              00:42:26 Is it true that a halo people say these spy, it's like three quarters of the world's population are descendants of gangs, car recorders. I don't think it's true or something like that. Why isn't there like a stat like that? I don't know how much the truth is it cause my mom's made a name, he's cons. So I'm just thinking am I descendant of gangs Connersville on because I've got explained to, Hassam:                             00:42:51 there's a lot of fake cons out there. Um, I often have a conversation with people, um, the, by stewing people of, of, you know, um, Northwestern Pakistan and Afghanistan, right. And, and the name con is very common amongst them. Um, and they've allowed this very, you know, aggravated conversation about real cons and fake cons, et Cetera, as I need to be in that conversation. But, um, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Um, you hear different is definitely okay. Let me tell you, this is definitely not three quarters. Um, I can, I'm pretty sure I'm not like, you know, very familiar with the field of genealogy and whatever science has attached to it, but I'm pretty sure it's not that. Um, but, um, you know, and, and descended from gangas con personally, um, it's, it's, it's a trope, right? And whenever you encounter all of these tropes that are almost accepted as a fact, we have to be really careful about how we talk about it. Hassam:                             00:43:51 Even in a casual conversation. It just, again, as part of this picture of how horrible the Mongols were, how horrible Kangaskhan personally was, gang has gone as at whatever crimes he may have initiated during his leadership. Kangaskhan has a very interesting life story and if you actually read about his life and read about his interests and, um, you know, tried to get a more historical understanding of his personality. He's a very interesting person. He wasn't just some brute from out of nowhere. And I think especially in the Muslim community, we have to recognize this, right? And a lot of what happened to Muslims during the Mongo conquest, the Muslims have to take their fair share of the blame, not just what they were doing, you know, like centuries before and how they were declining and they weren't prepared for the Mongo conquest. But even the decisions taken on the spot where such sometimes you read about it and it's baffling how blind and arrogant could you be to just brush off this threat to, despite knowing that, you know, the city next door had just been completely ruined and raised by this army. Hassam:                             00:45:00 And then they come to your door and you decide to talk up to them and, and you know, be arrogant and not only get yourself, you know, basically finished, but also the innocent people who, whose leader you were, who you were sort of representing their right. So, um, I think again, my main focus, like I think every point it becomes an idiotic to end off every sort of point I make with, it's more complicated than we want it to seem, including the life of Ganglias Con, the Mongo conquest, and literally any topic, right? So whatever topic, people are most interested in it, pick it up, but then make sure you're not just scratching the surface, tried to go a bit deeper and you'll find that there's much more to learn and appreciate. Rafael:                                00:45:40 Yeah. I think quite simply as opposed to complex. I think that the beheading of the Mongol ambassadors by the Horace Smith, um, was it the suit? Yeah, the horrors. Mid Emmy was probably one of the most significant events in Islamic history. It was one of the worst decisions is basically reversing the last 500 years. So basically the Mongol ambassadors came to the Muslim empire and um, it was quite a friendly kind of invitation, like, oh, hey, you know, where the Mongols were in charge of China now. Yeah. I would have just coming up into your Facebook sup, you know? Yeah. In the DM. Hassam:                             00:46:19             I mean, it was an invitation for, Rafael:                                00:46:20 yeah, it was then the corpsmen. Yeah, Hassam:                             00:46:23 hi. Rafael:                                00:46:27 Yeah. And the Mongols invaded Persia and just completely just destroyed the place and the civilization there. Well, it didn't really recover too. You know, it's pre Mongol, Gloria, and they say that often when you talk about the Islamic Golden Age, a lot of people trace the decline of the Islamic golden age to the Mongol invasions. Though I don't necessarily agree with that personally, but it's one point that, you know, has been mentioned. But Tanzim:                              00:46:55 in terms of just unbusy with talking about more about expansions and stuff, I wanted to kind of, uh, direct the conversation to sort of the early civil wars in Islam that existed. So they sort of were pivotal, you know, it's very pivotal because even it's the reason why we have sectarian divide, right? The Sunni and Shia divide and are most specifically, I just wanted to hone in on, you know, the events of early Rodney on who and warrior rather than on who. So would you be able to, you know, we, so the, the narrative, there's one narrative Twitter, right? So the narrative is that, you know, I'm more, we are already on who was like terrible person and you know, just, I went against the Ali Rodney on, on who and um, divisions happened. And that's why I think the, she is cases, right. The SUNY case is more like was taking a step back because you know, while we all wrote down on who had his own issues, he had an [inaudible] who had his own issues he had. Tanzim:                              00:47:55 And a lot of the scholars say that, you know, you get rewarded for your each to hat even though if it's from a sincere place, that sort of stuff. But um, that's more coming from the scholars. Right. So those are the opinions of our scholars and we sort of taken on board. But in terms of a historical sort of point of view, would you be able to shed some light on that event in particular because it would be interesting to gather thoughts and even how you would come to conclusions or how scholars would come to conclusions about in regards to what makes like what exactly happened? Cause I heard the sources aren't the strongest either. I think that this is probably the most complex of things that you're going to have to answer. I'd love love to, yeah, just even scratch the surface would be really good. Hassam:                             00:48:39 Right. So, um, I'll start off with a quick story. Um, I had a new professor when I was doing my undergraduate degree. This was an introduction to Islamic history, sort of introductory class. And I had a professor and, um, he was teaching this class and he was a Muslim. Right. Um, and, uh, you know, there's obviously non Muslims in their class. There's there, so neon Sheol, Muslims in the class. Um, it's, it's sort of a, a mix as it is in universities. And, um, he was a, you know, because he was discussing early Islamic history, he had to at least do one, uh, you know, um, lecture on this particular, uh, topic of this early Islamic history. And, you know, um, it's, it's thrown around in the room. The bomb was not thrown around because it was very introductory and, and we'd be surprised, you know, a lot of people, um, uh, you know, we see these discussions on Twitter and other places and very heated discussion. Hassam:                             00:49:39 And I'll admit to you, when I was, uh, you know, I have close a, she are friends and grew up together. And when we were very young, we used to like, you know, even as teenagers like go back and forth with these very, in hindsight, it's like that was the biggest waste of my time. And so nonsensical because I didn't know what I was talking about and neither did he. And yet we were having these heated conversations, right? Um, and we're still good friends, but I think so with the professor at the end of the class and during the class, you could notice and it was visibly others looking around. He was confusing some of the people in the class, he was sweating, right? And it wasn't a climate controlled room and everything like that, but he is sweating. And at the end of the class when it's done, he's actually wiping his brow and wiping the sweat off his face. And he said, you know, you guys might noticed, Speaker 5:                         00:50:28 um, this is not just as a Muslim, regardless of, you know, there's this idea that historians have to be objective. But this word objectivity is so problematic because nobody is ever truly objective. We all have certain values and beliefs and principles that we stand by, regardless of what the information presented to us is. Right. Um, we will have to try to be fair, but whether we can actually ever really be objective, whether we try or not is a separate question altogether. And he said, you know, for me, I'm an academic, I taught you from an academic perspective, but this is secret history. This isn't just history for me. This is sacred history. And for many of the people in this room, this is sacred history, right? So when we're talking about this particular, um, question, and I think the reason why there's so much heated debate on it and why passions are so high whenever this topic comes up, um, like you said is probably the most difficult question I'll have to ask, you know, discussing this podcast. Hassam:                         00:51:28 Um, it is because it's sacred history for all of the different, um, sort of sides, for lack of a better term, who were involved right now coming to the actual question from a historical perspective. Um, I think in this case, um, most historians, whether they are, um, you know, more traditionally, uh, trained like Islamic scholars who specialize in history, like for example, in Canada, here we have, uh, [inaudible], um, who did a very, I thought it was an incredible series of lectures, you know, nearly I think eight hours of lectures just on this particular topic on the question that we asked. So we have those scholars and then obviously the academic historian, some of them are Muslim, some of them are non Muslim. So you have these three broad categories, um, more or less, they all go back to the same sort of sources, right? They'll all go back to the, um, such as a 30 hot tub buddy and some of these more, uh, recognize and authoritative sources of early Islamic history, right? Hassam:                         00:52:37 Like [inaudible], Wendy high some of these books. And so you'll find that the narrative itself of the events, what event led to what and what happened when et Cetera is very similar across the three categories, right? Um, but when it comes to interpretation and explanation, that's when the differences occur, right? Between the three groups. So how do you, this particular event happen? How do you interpret it? Right? And obviously for the Islamic scholars, the interpretation focuses on how do you, uh, take the relevant lessons, the moral lessons, right. Something you can apply to your own life from this particular situation. So there's obviously an entire to go into Hassam:                             00:53:26 their, you know, the battle of, uh, I mean starts, I think that we took precursor to that starts right during the life of the profits of the law. We send them. What was the relationship of the profit with these particular people involved, such as, um, Emam earlier the allot one who was actually seeding are out of the allot wine. What was the particular relationship, um, as well as the other personalities such as Amato, even yesod let the last one for example. Um, and moving forward, how did you know the entire is sort of narrative about what happened at [inaudible] immediately after the profits of the law, whether he was an passed away and what happened after that? Um, during the, you know, uh, the NAFA of a Aboubacar and Omar or the Allahu one whom, um, and say, you know, it's man and so you'd the one home, right? Hassam:                             00:54:15 It's a very, very broad topic, but we have to trace the history that far back. So when we get to the [inaudible] of, you know, a mom and you know, not your loved one who, um, what has to be established is that we are not in a position nor should be, want to be in a position to make judgements about people. Right? I think for Muslims, and I'm, I'm assuming I'm speaking particularly to a Muslim audience, whether they are Shia or whether they are Sunni, because I have had those heated debates with my friends as I mentioned. I think what the key thing to keep in mind is that could take, do you feel relevant lessons from them, right? True. Take them from trusted, nuanced scholars. And this is something that each of us has to make our decision about and we can't claim to be ignorant, right? Hassam:                             00:55:06 We can tell when a person is really pushing the narrative. None of us are, you know, that stupid that we will it co or I at least I hope nobody considers themselves as stupid because I would assume nobody is, um, that they're just going to take what somebody tells them, even from the member and not sort of interrogate it and try to understand it and try to implement it into their own lives. So whether you are so new, whether you are shy, engaged with the info information that you are being exposed to, um, from the traditional scholars, um, and work with that and keep a focus on what you know, lessons you are going to draw. Because for, you know, for historians it's a different question about providing clarity, right? And who was, who was right, per se, right? For Muslims, I think it's a slightly different question because we know that justice, um, has already been served that allows justice. There's no escape from it. So whoever deserve whatever they deserved a level, take care of it, right? Um, if that process is not already underway, allow, are, and them, regardless of the individual we're thinking about here. Right? So for us it's more about the lessons we can draw and how we can apply them. If the only lesson you can draw is that you to hate a particular Speaker 5:                         00:56:24 group, you have to hate a particular person. You have to spend the rest of your life cursing this person and cursing that person or only defending this person and only singing praises about this person without actually recognizing that they were a human being and human beings can make mistakes and we should learn from them. Then if those are the only sort of set of things that we can draw from, then the problem isn't in the history, then the problem is in our interpretation at that point, I think there's no point for us to go into further questions of what happened because we are not using that history for the right purpose anyways. Right? And oftentimes you'll find historians, uh, sometimes jump on that facts. So there's one book I will call out by Leslie Hazel or particular historian where it's written in a very, um, in narrative form, right? Speaker 5:                         00:57:10 It's written as like a, this epic story. And in fact, she, the subtitle of the book is the epic story of [inaudible] Split. Anytime a historian sort of uses epic in their title, that should be a sort of alarm bell because they're jumping off of this idea that people are very passionate. The people who are going to read this on both sides of the debate or multiple sides of the discussion are very passionate about this topic and they're already coming with passion. So let me try to play with that, pull some strings, make it epic and write in a particular way that this happened and that happened and this unbelievable thing happened. I think we should stay clear of all of that. Um, for that sacred history. Rely on your traditional Islamic scholars unless you actually want to pursue it academically, that's a different conversation for the average person, I think that's not really a priority. Speaker 5:                         00:58:02 Um, and if there's a priority, like please get in touch with me or historians you trust and have that conversation with us. Um, but I feel like for the average Muslim who is just seeking clarity, look at your scholars, look at what other scholars have said, compare contrast, do your due diligence and uh, pray to a lot to give you clarity about our secret history so we can learn their relevant lessons and then trust that a law has already, uh, established justice in the cases of the people who have already passed away and we can move forward seeing what is best for our particular context. What does, whether I'm Shira, whether I'm SUNY, what does the Muslim community as a whole and what does the world as a whole need from me today? What are the lessons I can draw from this history that I will apply to that situation? And if there are no sort of positive, inspiring, um, constructive lessons, then uh, there's really no further conversation, at least from where I stand to be hot in this, uh, situation. Yeah. Yeah. Rafael:                                00:59:02 Fair enough. I think that's a good starting point for people to understand. The kind of approach that we should have to these topics that you mentioned, the difference between Western, how there's western commentators and western historians, and then there's also Muslim commentators and Muslim historians. And I think that's something that especially you mentioned specific of kind of, um, how, how would you describe it? Trying to create a fitness almost or a drama out of Islamic history to portray it as this, you know, this glorious Hollywood film. But I want to ask you about western historians and their view and their, their portrayal of Islam. Uh, I've done a little bit of work on studying orientalist readings of Islamic history, uh, particularly, and I wonder what your thoughts were. I mean, we, we see things written about the Ottomans. Um, for example, a lot is emphasized on their, on their persecution of minorities. Rafael:                                00:59:57 We see a lot written in India and the subcontinent, particularly about emperors, like, uh, old Rung Zip. And then we, this goes all the way back throughout Islamic history, uh, to, as you mentioned, the Muslim civil wars. And even back further to the Caliphs. So do you think that there's a kind of agenda by some western historians to, uh, create these kinds of negative images to render these negative images of Muslim, uh, figures throughout history and Islamic history? Um, do you think it's a concerted effort? Do you think that it's, why is this the case? I guess, why, why have, have these renderings come out of the West? Do you think the Muslims are kind of trying to paper over the cracks of their own floors, for example? Um, do you think that the Ottomans were as a lot of western scholars claim, um, particularly harsh and discriminatory? Or is that, yeah, just an orientalist kind of portrayal and, and the same goes for all wrongs urban. And the kind of a point you mentioned before about the epic schism. Speaker 5:                         01:01:05 Right. Um, so this is a very, very important question. So I'm glad we came to it. Um, I think, uh, again there's a lot of variation, right? So I think generally, um, historians who are actively involved in a project to sort of, um, display and essentially lies Islam and then display it in a very, um, uh, you know, a narrow sort of minded way. Um, there are certainly historians and people, you know, pseudo historian than people who claim to do that. Um, or sorry, people who, um, do do that. Um, and they make their claim in the fact that, um, they are trained historians, et Cetera. Right? So a good example is, um, Daniel Pipes, right? And I'm not sure if many people in Australia or other parts have heard of Daniel pipes. Um, he is one of the world's leading Islamophobes. I mean that the things this person publishes are, um, really like, like atrocious content. Speaker 5:                         01:02:09 And you would wonder why anyone would take him seriously. But if someone were not exposed to what

May's episodes of the Israel Victory Podcast featuring Joshua Hasten, Daniel Seaman, Rachel Touitou and Daniela Giulia Traub discuss making sense of Palestinian logic, as described in Daniel Pipes’s latest article in The Jerusalem Post. and why Palestinians are deserting the Gaza Strip; Why the Trump plan will not work and the end of “occupation” will not end the conflict; and how the Eurovision contest in Israel celebration is tainted by Israelis who do not understand foreign mentality, as seen in embarrassing promotion films that used anti-Semitic themes.

May's episodes of the Israel Victory Podcast featuring Joshua Hasten, Daniel Seaman, Rachel Touitou and Daniela Giulia Traub discuss making sense of Palestinian logic, as described in Daniel Pipes’s latest article in The Jerusalem Post. and why Palestinians are deserting the Gaza Strip; Why the Trump plan will not work and the end of “occupation” will not end the conflict; and how the Eurovision contest in Israel celebration is tainted by Israelis who do not understand foreign mentality, as seen in embarrassing promotion films that used anti-Semitic themes.

May's episodes of the Israel Victory Podcast featuring Joshua Hasten, Daniel Seaman, Rachel Touitou and Daniela Giulia Traub discuss making sense of Palestinian logic, as described in Daniel Pipes’s latest article in The Jerusalem Post. and why Palestinians are deserting the Gaza Strip; Why the Trump plan will not work and the end of “occupation” will not end the conflict; and how the Eurovision contest in Israel celebration is tainted by Israelis who do not understand foreign mentality, as seen in embarrassing promotion films that used anti-Semitic themes.

Daniel Pipes, Dominic's guest in The Green Room this week, is an historian, the president of the Middle East Forum, and an analyst of Islam in Europe. They talk about how Europe got to where it is, what's going on now among the new nationalist parties in Europe, and what might happen next. Presented by Dominic Green.

It's finally here! The first episode of Rockwood's new podcast, with alum and CAIR SF-BA Executive Director Zahra Billoo. Zahra dropped by our offices to talk about joy, family, privilege, music, practicing resilience, and much, much more. Subscribe to receive emails from Rockwood and never miss an episode: https://rockwoodleadership.org/subscribe ----more---- EPISODE TRANSCRIPT joi foley: Hi, and welcome to the very first episode of Rockwood's Leading From The Inside Out podcast. My name is joi foley. I'm Rockwood's senior marketing and communications manager. joi foley: Before we get to our interview with alum Zahra Billoo, we have just a few notes about the podcast. This is Rockwood's first-ever podcast, and we are so excited to be sharing leadership with new audiences in this new medium but, as with anything new, we do have a bit of a learning curve. There are some technical issues, so we hope that you can be understanding and patient with us as we work through some of that. I'll be your host for these first few episodes, and then the whole staff of Rockwood will be sharing hosting duties, including our CEO, Darlene Nipper. We will also be experimenting with different types of content alongside the alum interviews, so if there's something you'd like Rockwood to cover in this podcast, just let us know. With that, here's our show. joi foley: Our guest for today's episode is alum Zahra Billoo. Zahra is executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, San Francisco Bay Area office, the oldest and one of the largest CAIR chapter offices. Under Zahra's leadership, CAIR-SFBA has filed lawsuits against the United States Department of Justice, Abercrombie & Fitch, and Southwest Airlines representing American Muslims facing discriminatory treatment. CAIR-SFBA has also significantly expanded its capabilities to provide know-your-rights sessions on a nearly weekly basis to mosques and community members in the San Francisco Bay Area while also providing direct legal representation to Bay Area residents facing numerous civil rights violations. joi foley: Zahra has appeared on MSNBC, NPR, and the San Francisco Chronicle, and even on Fox News. She was a speaker at the historic Women's March in Washington, DC in January 2017. Zahra received the 2017 Human Rights Award from the Society of American Law Teachers and was featured in the January 2018 Chronicle of Philanthropy cover story on how millennials lead. Outside of her work with CAIR, Zahra bakes birthday cakes for foster children through Cake4Kids and is a coordinator for Project Feed, a monthly homeless feeding effort in downtown San Francisco. Zahra is currently in Rockwood's Lead Now California Fellowship, but she's been through a few fellowships and programs with us. When I spoke with Zahra in February at our office in Oakland, our conversation started there. joi foley: Okay, so the first question is you've been through two Rockwood Fellowships, but you've been total eight sessions, we counted, so why do you keep returning to Rockwood? Zahra Billoo: I was initially introduced to Rockwood by other leaders who said, “Look, we see the path that you're going down, and we know that you're going to need help to sustain yourself and the work that you're doing in the long run. Why don't you check out Rockwood?” That was my first introduction to The Art of Leadership. After that, I was invited to join a Fellowship, and what I appreciated about the opportunity to do a Fellowship was that it wasn't just training. It was training plus community, and so the relationships, the friendships that I made in my participation during Fellowship for a New California are still people I rely on, I call, and that I'm excited to see when I'm at events and out doing this work. Zahra Billoo: Fast-forward several years, and we have the 2016 election. It's not like civil rights and human rights weren't already challenging before the 2016 election, but the problems became so much more exaggerated. So much of the deep-rooted racism and white supremacy in our country was unveiled, and the pace at which many of us that were already in the work had to change to was just unprecedented. When the opportunity to do another Fellowship and meet new people doing this work in this moment and relearn some of the Rockwood practices came about, I couldn't say no. Just a couple of days ago when I was thinking through how to process a trigger, I was so grateful for all of the training that I've done with Rockwood now. joi foley: Do you have any favorite memories of any of your Rockwood experiences or moments that were really important to you? Zahra Billoo: I remember one of the nights of the Fellowship parties where there was a particular one in the second, in the Lead Now Fellowship, where everybody just let loose. Whether people were drinking or not, and I don't drink, they were having a good time. They were talking. They were in community. It was interesting because I remember having a conversation with someone about life while dating as a single Muslim woman and also having a conversation with someone about gender pay equity and then breaking a sweat on the dance floor. That combination of experiences in one night, for me, was so much the epitome of the family that Rockwood helps cultivate where we can talk about work and life and have fun. joi foley: Why were you born for this time? Zahra Billoo: I sometimes contemplate why I was born with as much privilege as I was born with. I didn't necessarily earn the rights that I have. They are a function of where I was born, who I was born to, and those circumstances. I'm a US citizen who speaks English fluently and has a passport so can't be sent anywhere I don't want to go. I've got a voice that sometimes won't shut up and a roof over my head as well as incredibly supportive family. When I think of why I was born for this moment, for me, it's about putting all of those privileges to work. I didn't earn them, and so the best that I can do is ensure that I don't act like they are mine exclusively but rather that they are tools and an opportunity for service, and now is when we need it. joi foley: What's in your heart? Zahra Billoo: I think what my heart is trying to figure out is how does one find happiness, and peace, and contentment, and companionship in this moment where there's literally a rapid-fire every day. Maybe they existed before, but it's also the onslaught of social media and the 20-minute news cycle that has us going a mile a minute, and so what does our work look like? What do our lives look like in 2030 and in 2040 which, right now, feels frightening to even contemplate when many of us are dreading 2020? joi foley: Yeah. Who is leading today that you'd love to work with? Zahra Billoo: One of the blessings of the 2016 election, for me, has really been to develop new friendships in movement spaces and also to watch and support as leadership emerges in ways that we didn't expect. If I were to think of individuals that I already know and love and want to deepen my work with, I think of so many of the women in movement spaces, Manar Waheed at ACLU, Linda Sarsour with Women's March, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar in Congress, Marielena at NILC, and so many other bold, fierce women who I'm in awe of because they make leadership accessible, they connect work to efforts to empower community, and they don't back down. joi foley: What message do you want to share with future generations? Zahra Billoo: I want people to understand that this is the work of lifetimes. Realistically, I'm not sure if we will free Palestine, or end poverty, or close the prison industrial complex in my lifetime. When I think of what I want future generations to understand is that they are not alone, they are not the first, and that we did the best that we could so that they would have it better. joi foley: Sometimes I think about, when I was younger, gay marriage seemed like it would never ever happen. Then, by the time it happened, I … it wasn't like I wasn't blasé about it, but I was like, “Oh, yeah, of course.” It was only a span of like 20 years or something that it- Zahra Billoo: But gay marriage isn't just about legislation either, right? joi foley: Yeah. Zahra Billoo: It's also about the shift in the narrative around people were being criminalized for who they love. Homes were being raided. Much of that continues, and so I don't think of the fight for equality for any people as simply about legislation but rather like, hey, every step forward is progress. I mean I remember when Ellen came out on TV and when Will & Grace was still a little bit unusual, and now it's like they're doing new episodes of Will & Grace, all of a sudden, after a sort of a very long hiatus. We're seeing small steps towards progress for Palestine, for people in prisons, but what's hard is sometimes it's one step forward, two steps back, and that's the most heartbreaking thing. Zahra Billoo: I think what I really struggle with is this thing that we've been saying since the election, which is that the system isn't broken. Trump was not elected because the system was broken. Trump was elected because the system works exactly as it was supposed to, and so how do we, for the purposes of our lifetimes but also future generations, balance working within a system that we acknowledge to be corrupt and faulty while also attempting to build something new in parallel? joi foley: Yeah. What has changed or shaped your leadership? Zahra Billoo: Learning from my mistakes has always been an important way in which I acknowledge the opportunity to grow. It's not easy to fall on your face and then have to pick right back up because it's not like the work is done or have time to recover, but I try really hard to see challenges as opportunities for growth. Zahra Billoo: The other thing that I would say that's been really important is to have people who I trust that I can call for advice. That's been, at times, board members, at times peers, people I've met through Rockwood, and friends in the work where I'll call and say, “Hey, can you help me get my head on straight? This is how I'm feeling about XYZ. Is this right?” It's not always easy to be told that you're wrong, but to have people who can do that gently and compassionately and also confidentially is so critical because sometimes it's also … As much as I want to embrace errors as opportunities for growth, which I believe they are, we don't have, always, the flexibility to fail in movement spaces or in nonprofit spaces where mistakes can cost grant money or relationships or impact someone's life individually. joi foley: Yeah. What brings you joy? Zahra Billoo: My nieces. I have two nieces who are three and a half and one and a half. They smile, and babble, and laugh, and make faces all while having no idea that the world is on fire outside their house. I think about doing this work for them so that they, like me, who were born as Muslim women, as girls of color in the United States with at least the comfort of US citizenship can do more and accomplish more than I could. It's also simply the case that a child's laughter, particularly when you don't have to ever clean up their diapers, is so incredible. My brother calls every once in a while when the kids are being rowdy and they'll … they know that I'm on the other side of the phone. I will drop everything to take that call. It doesn't matter what I'm doing because they remind me that I'm doing this work for them but also that joy is possible. joi foley: Yeah. I think that just the phrasing of joy is possible is … it's like it's both present and future, and you can work towards it. Zahra Billoo: Yes, yes. joi foley: That's what came up for me when you said that. Other than joy, or maybe it is joy, but what's needed now? Zahra Billoo: I would say that what is needed now, well, there's a long list of things, but what comes to mind for me is sustenance. A lot of people, including a lot of Rockwood alums, are operating at a pace that they haven't before. It's go, go, go. I lose track of how many 12-hour days I have, and that is not sustainable in the long run. What sustainability might require is more funding, more people finding careers in the movement, more people thinking about how to make this work lifestyle work, so even if you're not in the movement, are you donating regularly? Are you going to the efforts regularly? Are you bringing joy to the lives of people who are in the movement full time to help them sustain? Zahra Billoo: I'd say that another thing that comes to mind for me around what's needed is high-quality work, is that there isn't room. There should be room. I know Rockwood teaches us that there should be room for F-ups, but some F-ups are just too consequential. Some resources are too limited, and so I wonder how we train people to do high-quality, high-quantity work and reward them for that. Zahra Billoo: The additional thing that comes to mind, for me, around what's needed is unity. Many people in a movement will say unity is not uniformity. We don't have to agree on everything, but we have to agree on basic human rights and civil rights for all people, and if we can't, then get out of the way of the work. I want to see our movements be really strong. For example, it's been really disheartening to see some of the attacks on the Women's March, but then it's been really powerful to see people step up and say, “Hey, we're in this together, right? So get with it or get out of the way, and we're going to continue to do that work.” There's lots and lots of examples of this every day, but to ensure that we don't play into the hands of white supremacists, or war mongers, or misogynists, or anyone else trying to break up our movements by allowing ourselves to be divided. joi foley: Yeah. I find that a lot of my work now, my personal work, is helping my friends realize the stories that are kind of swimming around them. They can dig down to what's true. Zahra Billoo: That's so true. I think about that with so many with … any time I carry a privilege and I'm hearing a conversation among my circles about a group that doesn't have that same privilege, right? What's one that comes up for me sometimes is I am a cisgendered heterosexual woman, and conversations about gay marriage, gay rights, trans rights, public restroom safety, any of those things, to stop those conversations sometimes and say, “Hey, let's make sure that we're operating from a place of empathy. Let's make sure that we understand our privilege in this moment, and then let's see what the most impacted people are saying,” has sometimes been the work of allyship that I can do. Similarly, people ask me sometimes, “Well, what do I say to my racist grandma?” I'm like, “Keep having conversations with her because I'm not invited to her house.” joi foley: Yeah, and I think this ties into what we're talking about: How do you practice resilience online and off? Zahra Billoo: The first hate piece about me was when I was in law school, and it was because Daniel Pipes, so decades-long notorious anti-Muslim activist, had been protested at a location 400 miles away from where I was, and all I had done was send out an email encouraging people to join a protest that someone else was organizing. All of a sudden, I got credit for organizing the whole protest, and they went through my blog, and they went through my Facebook, and they went through the meeting minutes for student government meetings I had been in to put together these dossiers about me, and I didn't even know that Twitter was around yet. Zahra Billoo: What I learned, at that time, was a few things. One was limit what you read for your self-care, right? Look, haters going to hate. How much of that do I need to read? How much of that do I need to consume? I need to be aware, just as I am with in-person interactions and who triggers me, what the cost of these things is. Sometimes, being unaware is better than being drained. I think of people that trigger me and the resolutions I've made to just be like, “Your email always is harassing and bullying, and I'm just not reading it anymore because you don't get to do that to me.” I think of that. Zahra Billoo: Other parts that I learned around that were that it was so important that I developed my own content, that if someone wanted to know who Zahra Billoo was that the first find that they would have was not a hate monger's website about me. That's easier said than done with all of the SEO things that I don't even understand. Zahra Billoo: The last thing was that … This is going to sound a little bit ridiculous maybe. I don't know. There is something to be said about how effective you are when the haters come for you, right? I don't want to trivialize how terrifying it can be because it can be, right? I live in a secure apartment complex, and no one has my address, right? I have friends who have had to hire security and put up cameras, but there's still something telling about, look, if Fox News is praising you, then you're probably doing it all wrong. Challenging the status quo, the powers that be, and people who perpetuate oppression, for me, is not just about resilience. It's prophetic. It's what the leaders that I look up to did and paid a price for, but I recognize that I stand on their shoulders. Zahra Billoo: You know, I also make regular time to hang out with friends. I eat ice cream nearly daily when I'm not dieting. If I'm dieting, I'm eating fruit-on-the-bottom Greek yogurt, but there's still sugar because that has an impact. I go to the gym because that does things for my adrenaline. I vacation regularly. These nieces are a place that I visit, that I see, that I call, and so it's also just important that people figure out what brings them joy and what that looks like and then prioritize that. Zahra Billoo: I know one of the hardest things, for me, about going on vacation, for example, is how do I turn of my brain and stop checking my emails? Usually, it's like midway through vacation by the time I have accomplished that, and then it's over, which motivates me to plan my next one. It's not easy to come under attack as many people are more frequently these days but, in some ways, it's almost the cost of doing this work. joi foley: That's all for this episode of Rockwood's Leading From The Inside Out podcast. Before you go, if you're an alum of Rockwood's programs and would like to be on this podcast, let us know. Reach out to us at rockwoodleadership.org/podcast or send me an email at J-O-I@rockwoodleadership.org. The music in this episode is by Broke for Free, available from the Free Music Archive and brokeforfree.com. From all of us here at Rockwood, thank you for joining us, and we wish you joyful leadership.

An hour long interview with Middle East Forum president and founder, Daniel Pipes. We go through the ups, downs, and the plans for the future.

The Ezra Levant Show — February 5, 2019: Three news stories, three new disasters with Justin Trudeau’s mass migration policy. Justin Trudeau’s obsession with Muslim immigration is a security threat. It’s overwhelming our police and security. And it’s pushing loyal, honest citizens out of the way for social services, as thousands of illegals jump the queue. GUEST Dr. Daniel Pipes.

The Danish cartoons depicting Muhammad have sparked a worldwide controversy. Death threats and violent protests have sent the cartoonists into hiding and have had the intended effect of stifling freedom of expression. The reaction to these cartoons raises urgent questions whose significance goes far beyond a set of drawings. This unflinching discussion addresses key questions, including: • What is freedom of speech? Does it include the right to offend? • What is the significance of the worldwide Islamic reaction to the cartoons? • How should Western governments have responded to this incident? • How should the Western media have responded? (Recorded April 11, 2006.) This video is also published on the Ayn Rand Institute Channel, for more see https://www.youtube.com/AynRandInstituteLike what you hear?  Become a Patreon member, get exclusive content and support the creation of more videos like this! https://www.patreon.com/YaronBrookShow or support the show direct through PayPal: paypal.me/YaronBrookShow.Want more? Tune in to the Yaron Brook Show on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/ybrook). Continue the discussions anywhere on-line after show time using #YaronBrookShow. Connect with Yaron via Tweet @YaronBrook or follow him on Facebook @ybrook and YouTube (/YaronBrook).Want to learn more about Objectivism? Check out ARI at https://ari.aynrand.org.

Today’s Guests Daniel Pipes, President Middle East Forum Abraham D. Sofaer, the George P. Shultz Senior Fellow in Foreign Policy and National Security Affairs, Emeritus. Abraham Sofaer is a former United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, and then a Legal Adviser to the United States State Department. After resigning from the State Department he became the George P. Shultz Senior Fellow in Foreign Policy and National Security Affairs at theHoover Institution, Stanford University. Sofaer's work focuses on the power over war within the US government and on issues related to international law, terrorism, diplomacy, and national security. https://www.abesofaer.com/ Jonathan Spyer, Director of the Rubin Center, IDC Herzliya and Fellow at the Middle East Forum Jonathan Spyer is a Middle East analyst, author and journalist focusing on Syria, Lebanon and Israeli strategic affairs. Jonathan Spyer is Director of the Rubin Center for Research in International Affairs in Israel. Spyer holds a Ph.D. in International Relations from the London School of Economics and an M.A. in Middle East Politics from the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. Twitter ID: @jonathan_spyer https://twitter.com/jonathan_spyer?lang=en https://jonathanspyer.com/ Jim Hanson, President of Security Studies Group Jim Hanson previously served in US Army Special Forces and conducted Counter-Terrorism, Counter-Insurgency as well as Diplomatic, Intelligence and Humanitarian operations in more than a dozen countries. He is the author of Cut Down the Black Flag – A Plan to Defeat the Islamic State. Twitter ID: @Uncle_Jimbo https://twitter.com/uncle_jimbo?lang=en

Tonight, Ezra discusses the lack of concern Canada is showing for derailing NAFTA negotiations, and is joined by Manny Montenegrino, President & CEO Think Sharp Inc. and Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum.

Daniel Pipes is an expert on the Middle East and Islam, and has led the Middle East Forum since 1994. Listen to his conversation with our President Allen Roth as they talk about President Trump's decision to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. They also discuss the response from the Turkish President, Recep Erdogan, in regards to the move.

Daniel Pipes is the author of "The Khadrs: Canada's First Family of Terrorism, in the News." Guest: Daniel Pipes, president of the Middle East Forum and publisher of the Middle East Quarterly Journal (Photo: Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“A first-rate work of scholarship that demolishes the fabrication of the multiethnic, multiconfessional convivencia in Spain under Muslim rule. The book is also an exposé of the endemic problems of contemporary Western academe. . . . Space does not allow us to list all of the fables—some bizarre, others laughable, most of them infuriating—that Fernández-Morera dispatches with unassailable logic and ruthless efficiency.”—Chronicles“I am in awe of The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise. . . . This book is an intellectual boxing match. The author shreds not just one opponent, but a series of intellectual bigots, prostitutes, and manipulators of the common man. . . . He uses research and objective facts to make his case. Nothing could be more transgressive in academia today.”—FrontPage Magazine“The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise prompts readers to rethink their traditional notion of Islamic Spain. Fernández-Morera shows that it was not a harmonious locus of tolerance. Paying special attention to primary sources, he documents how Islamic Spain was in fact dominated by cultural repression and marginalization. The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise is essential reading. It will soon find its place on the shelves of premier academic institutions and in the syllabi of pioneering scholars.”—Antonio Carreño, W. Duncan McMillan Family Professor in the Humanities, Emeritus, Brown University “I could not put this book down. The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise constitutes a watershed in scholarship. Throughan unbiased and open-minded reading of the primary sources, Fernández-Morera brilliantly debunks the myths that for so long have dominated Islamic historiography and conventional wisdom. We were waiting for this great breakthrough to come to light, and Fernández-Morera has done it. Bravo!”—Raphael Israeli, Professor Emeritus of Middle Eastern, Islamic, and Chinese History, Hebrew University of Jerusalem“Fernández-Morera examines the underside of Islamic Spain, a civilization usually considered a model of dynamism and vigor. Through the study of primary sources, he questions the historiographic and intellectual view of the superiority of that civilization. This is an intelligent reinterpretation of a supposed paradise of convivencia.”—Julia Pavón Benito, Professor of Medieval Spanish History, University of Navarra“Desperately, desperately needed as a counter to the mythology that pervades academia on this subject. This book sheds much-needed light on current debates about the relationship between the West and Islam. It displays rare good sense and a willingness to face truth that is all too often absent in discussions of this era.”—Paul F. Crawford, Professor of Ancient and Medieval History, California University of Pennsylvania“A splendid book. This sober and hard-hitting reassessment demolishes the myths of religious tolerance and multiculturalism that have hopelessly romanticized the precarious coexistence and harsh realities of medieval Spain under Muslim rule. Well documented and persuasively argued, this book is must-reading as a window into the lessons of the past.”—Noël Valis, Professor, Department of Spanish and Portuguese, Yale University“Fernández-Morera takes on the long-overdue topic of assessing medieval Muslim Spain's reputation for ethnic pluralism, religious tolerance, and cultural secularism. Finding this view based on a ‘culture of forgetting,' he documents the reign of strict sharia in Andalusia, with its attendant discrimination against non-Muslims and subjugation of women. So much for the charming fantasy of open-mindedness and mutual respect.”—Daniel Pipes, historian of Islam and publisher of the Middle East Quarterly“Brilliant . . . A thorough and entertaining study, as masterful as it is pointed.”—Catholic Culture“Reveals the awesome and awful truth camouflaged by many in the West who have written apologies for Muslim-ruled Andalusia . . . More than 90 pages of footnotes to contemporary sources in their original languages make his thesis unassailable.”—New English ReviewAbout the AuthorDarío Fernández-Morera is Associate Professor in the Department of Spanish and Portuguese at Northwestern University. A former member of the National Council on the Humanities, he holds a BA from Stanford University, an MA from the University of Pennsylvania, and a PhD from Harvard University. He has published several books and many articles on cultural, literary, historical, and methodological issues in Spain, Latin America, and the United States.

My guest today is one of the leading scholars on the Middle East and Middle East history.  He's Daniel Pipes, president of the Middle East Forum and publisher of Middle East Quarterly.  Prior to that he was appointed to the Board of the U.S. Insitute for Peace by President George W. Bush, and he served as director of the Foreign Policy Research Institute.   He says it is Islamists, not Muslims, who represent an existential threat to Israel and the West.  He says America should support moderate Muslims and reform in the Middle East, but he also says that real change will come from a brewing ideological civil war between moderate Muslims and radical Islamists who promote Sharia law and the goal of a worldwide Caliphate.  We also discuss which group the U.S. should be supporting in Syria, new signs of hope for an uprising by moderates in Iran, the new authoritarianism in Turkey, a three state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the rise of Islam in Europe, and ISIS inspired attacks in the U.S. You can read more about the Middle East Forum at www.meforum.org or follow him at www.danielpipes.org or on Twitter at @DanielPipes. If you enjoy this episode, then please subscribe to KickAss Politics on iTunes and leave us a review.  You can also help us reach our fundraising goal for this year and donate at www.gofundme.com/kickasspolitics.  Or go to the website for the show at  www.kickasspolitics.com and click on the donate button.  Thanks for listening!

Although estimates can vary considerably, throughout Europe, there are as many as  56 million Muslims living there.  Russia accounts for nearly half with over 27 million.  Excluding Russia, over half of the remainder can be found in just five countries: France - 6 million Germany - 4 million United Kingdom - 3 million Italy - 1.5 million Spain - 1 million The remainder of Europe's Muslim population is scattered all over eastern and western Europe.  There are just three countries in Europe with majority Muslim populations:  Albania, Kosovo and Herzegovina.  Elsewhere in Europe, Muslims are only a tiny fraction of the population, but are growing rapidly. How and why did the major powers of western Europe end up with so many Muslims?  And what are we to make of these 'no go' areas where it is claimed local police are forbidden to go and where Sharia law and courts reign?  How did this happen?  Is it true or just a sensationalized news report? Islam is not native to Western Europe.  Insofar as Eastern Europe is concerned, particularly the Balkans, Ukraine and Russia, the Muslim presence is a vestige of Islamic invasions conducted many centuries ago. Muslims in France After the end of the second World War, France declared itself an "immigrant country."  In 1961, the French colony of Algeria waged a war for independence from France.  Algerian immigration to French cities spiked during that time as Algerians sought to escape the war. Daniel Pipes is an American historian, writer, the president of the Middle East Forum, and publisher of its Middle East Quarterly journal. In an article written by Mr. Pipes in 2006, he labeled 751 areas in France as "no-go zones."  The 2006 article has been the source of much confusion lately in 2014 and 2015. Daniel Pipes wrote his original article in 2006, as mentioned, but in 2013, he admitted his article contained errors, which he sought to correct in good faith.  In January 2013, Pipes wrote, I had an opportunity today to travel at length to several banlieues (suburbs) around Paris, including Sarcelles, Val d'Oise, and Seine Saint Denis. This comes on the heels of having visited over the years the predominantly immigrant (and Muslim) areas of Brussels, Copenhagen, Malmö, Berlin, and Athens. A couple of observations: For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe too, but there things look fine. The immigrant areas are hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. These are not full-fledged no-go zones but, as the French nomenclature accurately indicates, "sensitive urban zones." In normal times, they are unthreatening, routine places. But they do unpredictably erupt, with car burnings, attacks on representatives of the state (including police), and riots. Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones. Although it has been established that these zones are not wholly autonomous, the fact remains their presence has hindered assimilation of Muslims into French society.  Instead, the strictest religious elements within these areas appear desirous of bending French society and cultural norms to its own set of cultural preferences. The French have taken action to resist these efforts. In 2004, France banned headscarves from state run primary and secondary education because it was a "conspicuous religious symbol", similar to a yarmulke or a Christian cross.   In 2011, France became the first nation in Europe to officially ban the burqa. Recently, several commentators and Fox News needed to issue retractions and apologies for making inaccurate statements about the so called "no go" zones.  Still, while the retractions and apologies for those specific statements were completely warranted, it has been reported for years that Muslims in many of these zones are hostile and even violent to the native population, especially Jews. In 2002, while writing for the New York Times, David Ignatius said, "Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues here, the North African suburbs have become no-go zones at night, and the French continue to shrug their shoulders.” The political left in America and elsewhere is desperate to run down critics of Islam or Fox News.  Controversializing news outlets and well respected critics who have admitted to and apologized for errors made, smacks of an agenda unrelated to this issue. The bottom line:  At least according to one Middle Eastern expert respected in Conservative American circles, the claim of no go zones in France is somewhat exaggerated.  Nevertheless, multiculturalism is failing in France.  A society cannot be multicultural when norms within different cultures conflict or are intolerant of harmonious co-existence. With Muslim birth rates and immigration rates far outpacing the native population growth, which is actually shrinking, the Muslim immigration and resistance to assimilate represents a form of colonization of France.  It strains credulity to expect the French to accept this without any nationalistic reaction.  When it comes, that reaction will create a great deal of unrest in France and evidence has indicated it already has. Canadian television reported this attack by Muslim teens on people leaving a Catholic Church mass. [youtube:"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jg8EeL7zD8"] Muslims in Germany At the same time France was experiencing surging Muslim immigration from Algeria and elsewhere, West Germany created a guest worker program.  The number of Muslims in Germany is hard to measure because it is German law to maintain the privacy of one's religious affiliation.  It is believed that most of the Muslim immigrants are from Turkey.  The presence of radical Islamists in Germany has been well documented.  The 9/11 plot was hatched in a terrorist cell in Hamburg. A 2013 article in a German newspaper reported that 90% of the criminal behavior committed by youths in Germany, are committed by those "with an immigrant background."  Much of the problem Germany has with Muslim immigrants seems to revolve around youth street gangs. As with France, the local elected leadership is loathe to admit to a problem.  The primary concern of local officials seems to be the anticipated loss of tourism that could result from bad publicity out of fear of radical muslim violence. Germans seem to have left the problem to localities.  By 2012, about one-half of all German states instituted bans on public sector workers wearing veils and head scarves.  Still, over 60% of Germans favor an overall ban, recognizing there is a problem. As with France, the lack of assimilation by young muslims into German society is creating a societal problem, resulting in the same kind of nationalistic backlash.  And nobody needs to be reminded of the historical consequences resulting from the backlash of German nationalistic fervor. Muslims in the UK In 2008, the Church of England's only Asian bishop, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester said that people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology. Writing in The Sunday UK Telegraph, he compared the threat to the use of intimidation by the far-Right, and said that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation’s public religion in a multifaith, multicultural society. His comments came at a time when a poll of the General Synod – the Church’s parliament – shows that its senior leaders, including bishops, also believe that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration. The remarks by Nazir-Ali were strongly criticized by Muslim groups and Tories in England, but Conservatives largely supported the comments and asked only for milder language. [youtube="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSjiaRzHqdU"] CNN reported in 2013, of vigilante groups of Muslim men patroling Muslim areas and enforcing Sharia law. [youtube="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE"] Another CNN report on the kind of Islamic radicalism present in Great Britain:[youtube:"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRFgcBbqs60&feature=youtu.be"]   Conclusion It isn't important whether there are official no go zones in European countries or not.  The fact is, the multiculturalist social experiment has hit a brick wall with Islam.  A very sizable and dangerous contingent within the Islamic community has no desire or intention of blending into the nations in which they now live.  This contingent seeks to alienate itself from the dominant society, behave in a belligerent fashion and bend it to its own will.  They refuse to coexist peacefully unless the dominant culture capitulates to its demands.  It is irrelevant that a majority of Muslims do not agree with the approach of this radicalized contingent.  That is a "nice to know" fact.  But just as most Germans were not Nazi murderers, this fact too became wholly irrelevant when the Nazis took the reins of leadership in Germany.  It is no different with the Islamist radicals in Europe and the rest of the Muslim population not aligned with them.  Without their proactive, animated and effective denunciation and marginalization of the extremists, they will become swept up into their movement as surely as the main body of the German people did in the 1930s and 1940s.   Sources Religious populations.com No go zones in Germany No go zones in Sweden 751 No go zones in France reported 9 years ago Muslim areas in London

The popular uprisings of the Arab Spring have left a leadership void that Islamist parties have been quick to fill. A longtime supporter of former strongmen like Egypt's Mubarak and Tunisia's Ben Ali, the U.S. now faces the uncomfortable result of Arab democracy - the rise of Islamist parties that are less amenable to the West than their autocratic predecessors. Will the Islamists, who once embraced violence, slowly liberalize as they face the difficulties of state leadership? Or will it mean the growth of anti-Americanism and radicalization in the region? Reuel Marc Gerecht, Brian Katulis, Daniel Pipes and Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser debate the motion: "Better elected Islamists than dictators." Debate moderated by author and ABC News correspondent John Donvan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices