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On this episode of the Hayek Program Podcast, Margaret Levi delivers a keynote lecture at the 2024 Markets & Society conference, exploring her latest research on political equality and arguing that it has been poorly conceptualized and measured in comparison to economic equality. She frames political equality around three dimensions: participation, representation, and responsiveness, emphasizing that it is relational and rooted in social interactions and is not merely a matter of resource distribution. Levi highlights new empirical tools for better assessing political equality, including surveys on empowerment, studies of social capital, and network analysis.Margaret Levi is Professor Emerita of Political Science and Senior Fellow at the Center for Democracy, Development and Rule of Law (CDDRL) at the Freeman Spogli Institute (FSI) at Stanford University. Levi is currently a faculty fellow at CASBS and Senior Fellow at the Woods Institute for the Environment, co-director of the Stanford Ethics, Society and Technology Hub, and the Jere L. Bacharach Professor Emerita of International Studies at the University of Washington.If you like the show, please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and tell others about the show! We're available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and wherever you get your podcasts.Virtual Sentiments, a podcast series from the Hayek Program, is streaming. Subscribe today and listen to season three, releasing now!Follow the Hayek Program on Twitter: @HayekProgramLearn more about Academic & Student ProgramsFollow the Mercatus Center on Twitter: @mercatusCC Music: Twisterium

Generative AI tools built on large language models are increasingly "intelligent" yet lack a baby's common sense – the ability to non-verbally generalize to novel situations without additional training. What can developmental science contribute to AI? Tech journalist and former CASBS fellow John Markoff chats with 2023-24 CASBS fellow David Moore, a developmental scientist with expertise in infant cognition, on evaluating the efforts of DARPA's Machine Common Sense program as well as prospects and concerns associated with creating AIs with common sense.DAVID MOORE: Personal website | Claremont Infant Study Center | Wikipedia page | DARPA Machine Common Sense programRelated resource:David Moore, et al. "Leveraging Developmental Psychology to Evaluate Artificial Intelligence," 2022 IEEE International Conference on Development and Learning (ICDL), Nov. 2022. DOI: 10.1109/ICDL53763.2022.9962183Recommended by David Moore:Esther Thelen and Linda B. Smith. A Dynamic Systems Approach to the Development of Cognition and Action. MIT Press, 1994.  Read John Markoff's latest book, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand  (Penguin Random House, 2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Bluesky|X|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Given deeply polarized domestic politics and insufficient international commitment to the Paris Accord, can we reduce greenhouse gas emissions and avert some of the worst effects of climate change before it's too late? It's an elemental question that warrants despair, yes, but plenty of hope too. Political scientist Leigh Raymond, a 2021-22 CASBS fellow, explores the implicated issues through a conversation about "Into the Clear Blue Sky: The Path to Restoring Our Atmosphere" with its author, sustainability scientist Rob Jackson. Jackson launched the book project as a 2019-20 CASBS fellow.ROB JACKSON: Faculty page | Stanford profile | CASBS profile | Jackson on Google Scholar | Global Carbon Project | Publisher page for Into the Clear Blue Sky: The Path to Restoring Our Atmosphere (Simon & Schuster, 2024)Media related to Into the Clear Blue Sky: KQED Forum | The Times | Scientific American | Aeon | Wired | Times Literary Supplement | The Conversation | Chemical & Engineering News | Civil Eats | more Scientific American | Literary Hub | Heatmap | Environmental Health News | Orion | Fast Company | Inside Climate News | The Wall Street Journal | Atmos | ACS Publications |LEIGH RAYMOND: Faculty page | on Google Scholar | Publisher page for Reclaiming the Atmospheric Commons: The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative and a New Model of Emissions Trading (MIT Press, 2016) | 2017 book award announcement |"What Climate Policies do Americans Want from Their Legislatures?" Good Authority (July 5, 2022)"Building Support for Carbon Pricing - Lessons from Cap-and-trade Policies," Energy Policy 134 (2019)"Framing Market-Based Versus Regulatory Climate Policies: A Comparative Analysis," Review of Policy Research (2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Bluesky|X|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Two-time CASBS fellow and renowned anthropologist Tanya Luhrmann discusses her past and current work as an anthropologist of the mind, both in religious and psychological contexts, in conversation with 2023-24 CASBS fellow Erica Robles-Anderson. Luhrmann's award-winning work investigates visions, voices, psychosis, the supernatural, and other unusual sensory experiences and phenomena, found often at the borderlands of spirit, culture, and the mind.TANYA LUHRMANN: Stanford faculty page | Stanford profile page | Personal website | Wikipedia page | on Google Scholar | CV |Luhrmann, Of Two Minds. Winner of: the Victor Turner Prize in Ethnographic Writing, the Bryce Boyer Prize for Psychological Anthropology, the Gradiva Award from the Association for the Advancement of PsychoanalysisLuhrmann, When God Talks Back. Winner of the Grawemeyer Prize in Religion and the Kirkus Reviews Best Book of the Year.Luhrmann, "A life in books," Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute (2020)Luhrmann, et al. "Sensing the presence of gods and spirits across cultures and faiths," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2021)ERICA ROBLES-ANDERSON: NYU faculty page | CASBS page | on Google Scholar |  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Bluesky|X|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

There never will be enough independent fact checking of online political advertising and their ecosystems. Can we develop methods and tools to demonetize or at least disincentivize the behaviors of disinformation producers as well as the ad firms and content providers in business with them? 2023-24 CASBS fellow Ceren Budak navigates the disinformation marketplace and illuminates pathways for better design of online communities and platforms in conversation with Pulitzer Prize-winning tech journalist and former CASBS fellow John Markoff. CEREN BUDAK: Faculty webpage | Personal website | Referenced in this episode:"Misunderstanding the harms of online misinformation." Nature 630, 45–53 (2024)The Prosocial Ranking Challenge (Center for Human-Compatible Artificial Intelligence)"Intermedia agenda setting during the 2016 and 2020 U.S. presidential elections." Proceedings of the International AAAI Conference on Web and Social Media, 18(1), 254-275. Lawrence Lessig's Pathetic Dot Theory (Wikipedia)----Read John Markoff's latest book, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand  (Penguin Random House, 2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Bluesky|X|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Are jobs requiring high levels of human interaction worth preserving in the age of automation? Can we design machines to achieve something profound – the mutual recognition that occurs when human beings truly "see" each other? CASBS faculty fellow Mitchell Stevens explores these questions with Allison Pugh, author of the 2024 book The Last Human Job: The Work of Connecting in a Disconnected World. Pugh launched work on the book as a 2016-17 CASBS fellow.ALLISON PUGH website | Google Scholar page | Interview with Allison Pugh on building a society of connection (CASBS in partnership with Public Books) |Princeton University Press page for The Last Human Job MITCHELL STEVENSStanford GSE faculty page |  Stanford profile |  CASBS page | Google Scholar page |  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Santi Furnari (CASBS fellow, 2023-24) engages renowned political sociologist & 2015-16 fellow Elisabeth Clemens on the role of private civic volunteer organizations in co-constructing national identity and state capacity as well as serving as tools of governance, solidarity, and inclusion for much of American history. In what form does civic benevolence and philanthropy operate in the contemporary landscape? This absorbing conversation draws inspiration from the multi-award-winning book "Civic Gifts," much of which Clemens wrote during her CASBS year.ELISABETH CLEMENS: Univ. of Chicago faculty page | Clemens wins 2023 Gordon J. Laing Award | on Wikipedia |The book is Civic Gifts: Voluntarism and the Making of the American Nation-State (Univ. of Chicago Press), winner of the Barrington Moore Book Award, Comparative and Historical Sociology section, American Sociological Association;  the University of Chicago Press Gordon J. Laing Award; the Outstanding Published Book Award, ASA Section on Altruism, Morality, and Social Solidarity; and the Peter Dobkin Hall History of Philanthropy Prize, Association for Research on Nonprofit Organizations and Voluntary Action (ARNOVA).SANTI FURNARI: CASBS page |  City University of London, Bayes School of Business faculty page | on Google Scholar |   Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Legendary tech journalist John Markoff (CASBS fellow, 2017-18) chats with 2023-24 CASBS fellow Young Mie Kim on her groundbreaking efforts to identify how shadowy groups use algorithms and targeted disinformation campaigns during presidential election cycles; measure their real-world distorting effects on voter mobilization or suppression; and illuminate our understanding of resulting political inequalities and their implications for American democracy.YOUNG MIE KIM: CASBS bio |  Univ. of Wisconsin faculty page |  "The Disinformation Detective" (On Wisconsin magazine) |Kim leads Project DATA (Digital Ad Tracking & Analysis) at UW. | Project DATA on X |Kim is lead author of the article "The Stealth Media? Groups and Targets Behind Divisive Issue Campaigns on Facebook," Political Communication, v35 n4 (2018). The article won the Kaid-Sanders Award for the Best Political Communication Article of the Year by the International Communication Association.Coverage of findings: The New York Times here and here | Wired |  Kim's testimony delivered to the Federal Election Commission | Kim is a founding member of the International Panel on the Information Environment. Coverage of IPIE in The New York Times |Kim among the authors of "The effects of Facebook and Instagram on the 2020 election: A deactivation experiment," Proceedings of the National Academies of Science, v121 n2 (2024) |Kim a coauthor of several articles appearing in a special issue of Science on Social Media and Elections (2023) |At the beginning of the episode, Kim discusses the influence of Phil Converse. Converse was a CASBS fellow in 1979-80 and later served as CASBS director (1989-94). Learn more about Converse's work.---------Read John Markoff's latest book, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand  (Penguin Random House, 2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Stefan Link, a 2023-24 CASBS fellow, chats with Barry Eichengreen, a 1996-97 CASBS fellow and world renowned for his expertise at the nexus of international economics and economic history. They discuss some of Eichengreen's most prominent works — including "The European Economy Since 1945," which emerged from his CASBS experience, and "Golden Fetters," his most cited book — interrogating their durability and applicability to contemporary industrial, financial, and monetary policy challenges and governance.BARRY EICHENGREEN: UC Berkeley faculty page | Homepage & CV | on Wikipedia | STEFAN LINK: CASBS bio | Dartmouth faculty page | Mentioned in the episode:Eichengreen's talk on "Steering Structural Change" (session 2) at the Peterson Institute for International Economics (16 April 2024)Eichengreen & Temin NBER paper on "The Gold Standard and the Great Depression" (June 1997)Select Eichengreen booksElusive Stability: Essays in the History of International Finance 1919-1939 (Cambridge Univ. Press, 1990)Golden Fetters: The Gold Standard and the Great Depression 1919-1939 (Oxford Univ. Press, 1992)International Monetary Arrangements for the 21st Century (Brookings Institution, 1994)Globalizing Capital: A History of the International Monetary System (Princeton Univ. Press, 1994)European Monetary Unification: Theory, Practice, and Analysis (MIT Press, 1997)Toward a New International Financial Architecture: A Practical Post-Asia Agenda (Peterson Institute for International Economics, 1999)Financial Crises and What to Do About Them (Oxford Univ. Press, 2002)Capital Flows and Crises (MIT Press, 2004)Global Imbalances and the Lessons of Bretton Woods (MIT Press, 2006)The European Economy Since 1945: Coordinated Capitalism and Beyond (Princeton Univ. Press, 2006)Exorbitant Privilege: The Rise and Fall of the Dollar and the Future of the International Monetary System (Oxford Univ. Press, 2012)Hall of Mirrors: The Great Depression, the Great Recession, and the Uses — and Misuses — of History (Oxford Univ. Press, 2015) Stefan Link bookForging Global Fordism: Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and the Contest over the Industrial Order  (Princeton Univ. Press, 2020)Winner of the Stuart L. Bernath Book Prize, Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations, as well as the Herbert Baxter Adams Prize, American Historical Association  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Labor historian & 2023-24 CASBS fellow Gabriel Winant in conversation with 2018-19 CASBS fellow Ruth Milkman, among the nation's most renowned sociologists of labor. In addition to interrogating divisions within and segmentation across labor markets in recent decades, Milkman also has remained attuned to the complexity of the overall working class experience, essential for illuminating ways in which workers can unite and organize.RUTH MILKMAN: CUNY faculty page | personal website | ASA bio |Milkman's book Immigrant Labor and the New Precariat (2020) | Polity Press Q&A |GABRIEL WINANT: CASBS bio | Univ. of Chicago faculty page |  faculty Q&A |Winant's book The Next Shift: The Fall of Industry and the Rise of Health Care in Rust Belt America (2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Pulitzer Prize-winning tech journalist John Markoff chats with 2022-23 CASBS fellow Nathan Matias about often-overlooked public interest questions and concerns regarding the deployment of tech platform algorithms and AI models. Specifically, Matias is a player in filling the two-way knowledge gaps between civil society and tech firms with an eye on governance, safety, accountability, and advancing the science — including the social science — of human-algorithm behavior. Nathan Matias: Cornell University faculty page | CASBS bio | Personal website |Citizens & Technology LabCoalition for Independent Technology ResearchSelect Matias publications"Humans and Algorithms Work Together — So Study Them Together" Nature (2023)"Impact Assessment of Human-Algorithm Feedback Loops" Just Tech, SSRC (2022)"The Tragedy of the Digital Commons" The Atlantic (2015)"To Hold Tech Accountable, Look to Public Health" Wired (2023)Link to more Nathan Matias public writing | Matias on Medium | on LinkedIn |------Read John Markoff's latest book, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand (Penguin Random House, 2022)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Recorded before a live audience, Margaret Levi, Alison Gopnik, & Anne-Marie Slaughter discuss a CASBS project, "The Social Science of Caregiving," which is reimagining the philosophical, psychological, biological, political, & economic foundations of care and caregiving. The goal is a coherent empirical and theoretical account or synthesis of care that advances understandings and policy discussions. [The episode notes provide links for further exploration.]Article on CASBS's project on The Social Science of CaregivingWeb page for the project on The Social Science of CaregivingRelated: Human Centered episode #61, "Developing AI Like Raising Kids" (Alison Gopnik & Ted Chiang)Alison Gopnik: CASBS bio | UC Berkeley Bio | Gopnik article, "Caregiving in Philosophy, Biology & Political Economy" (Dædalus)Margaret Levi: CASBS bio | CASBS program on Creating a New Moral Political Economy | Anne-Marie Slaughter:  New America bio | Slaughter articles, "Care is a Relationship" (Dædalus) | "Why Women Still Can't Have it All" (The Atlantic)Slaughter book, Unfinished Business (Penguin Random House)   Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Pulitzer Prize-winning tech journalist & 2017-18 CASBS fellow John Markoff chats with 2022-23 CASBS fellow Rebecca Slayton on how the field of computing expertise evolved, eventually giving rise to the niche of professionals who protect systems from cyber-attacks. Slayton's forthcoming book explores the governance & risk implications emerging from the fact that cybersecurity experts must establish their authority by paradoxically revealing vulnerabilities and insecurities of that which they seek to protect.REBECCA SLAYTONCornell University faculty page | |  CASBS page | Slayton's book Arguments that Count: Physics, Computing, and Missile Defense, 1949-2012 (MIT Press)Slayton's article "What is the Cyber Offense-Defense Balance?," International SecurityVideo: Talk on "Shadowing Cybersecurity: Expertise, Transnationalism, and the Politics of Uncertainty" at Stanford Univ.JOHN MARKOFFNew York Times pageMarkoff's latest book, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Steward Brand (Penguin Random House, 2022) Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford University75 Alta Road | Stanford, CA 94305 | CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​View the Fall 2023 CASBS Newsletter  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Human CenteredProducer: Mike Gaetani | Engineer & co-producer: Joe Monzel |

Welcome back to RadicalxChange(s), and happy 2024!In our first episode of the year, Matt speaks with Margaret Levi, distinguished political scientist, author, and professor at Stanford University. They delve into Margaret and her team's groundbreaking work of reimagining property rights. The captivating discussion revolves around their approach's key principles: emphasizing well-being, holistic sustainability encompassing culture and biodiversity, and striving for equality.RadicalxChange has been working with Margaret Levi and her team at Stanford, together with Dark Matter Labs, on exploring and reimagining the institutions of ownership.This episode is part of a short series exploring the theme of What and How We Own: Building a Politics of Change.Tune in as they explore these transformative ideas shaping our societal structures.Links & References: References:Desiderata: things desired as essential.Distributive justiceElizabeth Anderson - Relational equalityDebra Satz - SustainabilityWhat is wrong with inequality?Elinor "Lin" Ostrom - Common ownershipOstrom's Law: Property rights in the commonsIndigenous models of stewardshipIndigenous Peoples: Defending an Environment for AllColorado River situationA Breakthrough Deal to Keep the Colorado River From Going Dry, for NowHow did Aboriginal peoples manage their water resourcesFurther Reading Recommendations from Margaret:A Moral Political Economy: Present, Past and Future (2021) by Federica Carugati and Margaret LeviDædalus (Winter 2023): Creating a New Moral Political Economy | American Academy of Arts and Sciences (Edited by Margaret Levi and Henry Farrell)The works of Elizabeth Anderson, including Private Government (2017) and What Is the Point of Equality? (excerpt from Ethics (1999))Justice by Means of Democracy (2023) by Danielle AllenKatharina PistorBios:Margaret Levi is Professor of Political Science and Senior Fellow at the Center for Democracy, Development and Rule of Law (CDDRL) at the Freeman Spogli Institute (FSI) at Stanford University. She is the former Sara Miller McCune Director of the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) Levi is currently a faculty fellow at CASBS and Senior Fellow at the Woods Institute for the Environment, co-director of the Stanford Ethics, Society and Technology Hub, and the Jere L. Bacharach Professor Emerita of International Studies at the University of Washington. She is the winner of the 2019 Johan Skytte Prize and the 2020 Falling Walls Breakthrough. She is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the British Academy, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Philosophical Society, and the American Association of Political and Social Sciences. She served as president of the American Political Science Association from 2004 to 2005. In 2014, she received the William H. Riker Prize in Political Science, in 2017 gave the Elinor Ostrom Memorial Lecture, and in 2018 received an honorary doctorate from Universidad Carlos III de Madrid.She earned her BA from Bryn Mawr College in 1968 and her PhD from Harvard University in 1974, the year she joined the faculty of the University of Washington. She has been a Senior Fellow at the Watson Institute for International Studies, Brown University. She held the Chair in Politics, United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, 2009-13. At the University of Washington she was director of the CHAOS (Comparative Historical Analysis of Organizations and States) Center and formerly the Harry Bridges Chair and Director of the Harry Bridges Center for Labor Studies.Levi is the author or coauthor of numerous articles and seven books, including Of Rule and Revenu_e (University of California Press, 1988); _Consent, Dissent, and Patriotism (Cambridge University Press, 1997); Analytic Narratives (Princeton University Press, 1998); and Cooperation Without Trust? (Russell Sage, 2005). In the Interest of Others (Princeton, 2013), co-authored with John Ahlquist, explores how organizations provoke member willingness to act beyond material interest. In other work, she investigates the conditions under which people come to believe their governments are legitimate and the consequences of those beliefs for compliance, consent, and the rule of law. Her research continues to focus on how to improve the quality of government. She is also committed to understanding and improving supply chains so that the goods we consume are produced in a manner that sustains both the workers and the environment. In 2015 she published the co-authored Labor Standards in International Supply Chains (Edward Elgar).She was general editor of Cambridge Studies in Comparative Politics and is co-general editor of the Annual Review of Political Science. Levi serves on the boards of the: Carlos III-Juan March Institute in Madrid; Scholar and Research Group of the World Justice Project, the Berggruen Institute, and CORE Economics. Her fellowships include the Woodrow Wilson in 1968, German Marshall in 1988-9, and the Center for Advanced Study of the Behavioral Sciences in 1993-1994. She has lectured and been a visiting fellow at the Australian National University, the European University Institute, the Max Planck Institute in Cologne, the Juan March Institute, the Budapest Collegium, Cardiff University, Oxford University, Bergen University, and Peking University.Levi and her husband, Robert Kaplan, are avid collectors of Australian Aboriginal art and have gifted pieces to the Seattle Art Museum, Metropolitan Museum of Art, National Women's Museum of Art, and the Nevada Museum of Art.Margaret's Social Links:Margaret Levi | Website@margaretlevi | X (Twitter)Matt Prewitt (he/him) is a lawyer, technologist, and writer. He is President of the RadicalxChange Foundation.Matt's Social Links:@m_t_prewitt | XAdditional Credits:This episode was recorded by Matt Prewitt. Connect with RadicalxChange Foundation:RadicalxChange Website@RadxChange | TwitterRxC | YouTubeRxC | InstagramRxC | LinkedInJoin the conversation on Discord.Credits:Produced by G. Angela Corpus.Co-Produced, Edited, Narrated, and Audio Engineered by Aaron Benavides.Executive Produced by G. Angela Corpus and Matt Prewitt.Intro/Outro music by MagnusMoone, “Wind in the Willows,” is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 International License (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0)

Two-time CASBS fellow Fred Turner engages CASBS board of directors chair Abby Smith Rumsey before a live audience to discuss her new book "Memory, Edited: Taking Liberties with History." When the erasure or distortion of collective memory through storytelling hijacks fact, truth, and history itself, what kind of information infrastructures can effectively confront those false narratives? Turner and Rumsey explore the tensions between history and storytelling and resulting implications for political beliefs, actions, and our collective sense of reality.ABBY SMITH RUMSEYCASBS website bio | Personal website | Talk at Long Now Foundation in partnership with CASBS MIT Press web page for Memory, Edited: Taking Liberties with HistoryCASBS Q&A with Rumsey (2022)FRED TURNERStanford University profile | Fred Turner's books |  on Google Scholar |"Machine Politics: The Rise of the Internet and a New Age of Authoritarianism," Harper's Magazine (2019)  Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityExplore CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​

Renowned sociologist Michèle Lamont (CASBS fellow, 2002-03) discusses her new book, Seeing Others, with former CASBS director Woody Powell. The book assembles decades of Lamont's scholarship, engaging some of contemporary society's most elemental challenges and advancing key building blocks toward a shared human experience marked by greater inclusion, belonging, dignity, empathy, and equality.MICHÈLE LAMONT:Harvard University faculty page | Harvard sociology pagePersonal website | Simon & Schuster page for Seeing OthersThe Successful Societies project, which held its first convening at CASBS in 2003WALTER "WOODY" POWELLStanford University faculty page | CASBS page Personal website | PACS pageAnnouncement of Powell as CASBS directorCASBS summer institute on Organizations and Their Effectiveness (2016-present) 

Fully understanding and regulating our complex information ecosystems will require creating new cultures and modes of collaborating, new organizational frameworks and, yes, working with generative AI models in service of aggregating actionable scientific knowledge. Angela Aristidou (CASBS fellow, 2022-23) navigates the crucial questions and challenges with Phil Howard (CASBS fellow, 2008-09), a renowned scholar of tech innovation and public policy as well as co-founder and chair of the new International Panel on the Information Environment (IPIE).PHIL HOWARD:University of Oxford page | Wikipedia page |  Personal website |INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON THE INFORMATION ENVIRONMENT:Website | Oxford article on IPIE | New York Times article on IPIE |ANGELA ARISTIDOUUCL School of Management page |  CASBS page | UCL article on AA | on ResearchGate | Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences(CASBS)at Stanford University75 Alta Road | Stanford, CA 94305 |CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis NOV. 16, 2023 Event: 2023 Sage-CASBS Award Lecture | Elizabeth Anderson & Alondra NelsonMeet the 2023-24 CASBS classAnnouncing a new fellowship partnershipCASBS Program Curates Issue of DædalusPrevious podcast episode: The Memory Science Disruptor    

We sit down with Woody Powell and Bob Gibbons who, since 2016, have been organizing the summer institute on Organizations and Their Effectiveness at the Center for Advanced Study in Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) in Stanford, California. We ask them to reflect on the history of CASBS and the summer institute, the value of fostering interdisciplinary conversations on the study of organizations, and the way in which they design and conduct the summer institute to allow young scholars across economics, sociology, management, public policy, political science, information and communication studies, and other fields, to learn from one another.

Chinese hackers stole emails from US State Dept in Microsoft breach Johnson Controls faces $51 million ransomware demand Google fixes year's fifth Chrome zero-day Thanks to today's episode sponsor, AppOmni If you think CASBs effectively secure your SaaS data… think again. CASBs lack visibility into your SaaS estate. Nor can they address and detect risks that arise from SaaS apps' unlimited endpoints. What you need is a robust SSPM designed to secure the dynamic and extensible nature of SaaS apps and their data. That's where AppOmni comes in. We continuously monitor your SaaS estate to detect cyber risks and secure your company's most critical data and workflows. Get started at AppOmni.com. For the stories behind the headlines, head to CISOseries.com.

Multiple threat actors lay claim to Sony hack Philippines health org struggling to recover from ransomware attack Canadian Flair Airlines leaked user data for months Thanks to today's episode sponsor, AppOmni If you think CASBs effectively secure your SaaS data… think again. CASBs lack visibility into your SaaS estate. Nor can they address and detect risks that arise from SaaS apps' unlimited endpoints. What you need is a robust SSPM designed to secure the dynamic and extensible nature of SaaS apps and their data. That's where AppOmni comes in. We continuously monitor your SaaS estate to detect cyber risks and secure your company's most critical data and workflows. Get started at AppOmni.com. For the stories behind the headlines, visit CISOseries.com.

Car audio manufacturer Clarion hacked – ALPHV claims responsibility High-ranking Egyptian politician targeted by Predator spyware City of Dallas issues report on May cyberattack Thanks to today's episode sponsor, AppOmni If you think CASBs effectively secure your SaaS data… think again. CASBs lack visibility into your SaaS estate. Nor can they address and detect risks that arise from SaaS apps' unlimited endpoints. What you need is a robust SSPM designed to secure the dynamic and extensible nature of SaaS apps and their data. That's where AppOmni comes in. We continuously monitor your SaaS estate to detect cyber risks and secure your company's most critical data and workflows. Get started at AppOmni.com. For the stories behind the headlines, head to CISOseries.com.

Have you ever wondered what it takes to crack the CISSP exam? Dreamt of enhancing your cybersecurity expertise? Welcome to an action-packed episode that pulls back the curtain on your path to success. With a focus on CISSP questions and key testing strategies, this episode aims to make you a proficient test taker. We dig into intriguing topics like hypervisor technology, the CIA triad, encryption types, and the main role of CASBs. To spice things up, we also throw in the main security concern that plagues the utilization of cloud technology.Now, let's journey through the vast realm of Cloud Computing. Understanding this is paramount for acing the CISSP exam, and we're here to guide you every step of the way. To make this journey exciting, we've lined up an array of CISSP questions that will help you grasp concepts like container orchestration platforms, the essence of elasticity and resource pooling, and the IAA model's intricacies. We also delve into data integrity within a SAS model, the phenomenon of cloud bursting, and the trials of managing cloud environments. So, buckle up as we navigate through this maze of knowledge, ensuring you're well-equipped to not just pass the CISSP exam but truly master it.Gain access to 30 FREE CISSP Exam Questions each and every month by going to FreeCISSPQuestions.com and sign-up to join the team for Free.

Eager to demystify the cloud environment and its cost-effectiveness compared to an on-premise setup? Well, gear up, because today, we're taking you on an enlightening journey through the world of cloud networking. We will be tackling everything from cloud security and its various models to the critical role of cloud security posture management (CSPM) in AWS deployment. So, whether you're a budding IT professional or an established one looking to enhance your CISSP knowledge and expertise, this episode has something for you.Ever wondered how security groups, network ACLs, platform as a service, and software as a service work in tandem to uphold cloud security? Or perhaps, you've been intrigued by the utilization of VLANs and traffic shaping for prioritization and quality of service. Well, curiosity ends here as we uncover these topics and more. And we'll also be spilling the beans on cloud access security brokers (CASBs), the pros of data loss prevention, tokenization, and the different types of cloud storage. Rest assured, by the end of the conversation, your understanding of cloud storage technologies and security will be second to none. In the grand finale of the episode, we unravel the secrets of cloud connectivity and the costs associated with it. We'll enlighten you on the importance of service endpoints, routing tables, and DNS resolution. Plus, we'll share a real-world use case of a public service endpoint. And of course, we touch upon the role of CSPM in maintaining a secure AWS deployment. So, buckle up and get ready to be armed with the knowledge and expertise that can take your CISSP skills to the next level.Gain access to 30 FREE CISSP Exam Questions each and every month by going to FreeCISSPQuestions.com and sign-up to join the team for Free.

Dan Simon, a 2022-23 CASBS fellow and USC law professor, joins in conversation with Elizabeth Loftus, a 1978-79 CASBS fellow and Distinguished Professor at UC Irvine. Loftus is known in the public sphere through her decades-long study of memory – specifically, its malleability and fallibility – as well as her application of findings as an expert witness or consultant in hundreds of legal cases. Loftus's book "Eyewitness Testimony," completed at the Center, charted the course of her career that followed and serves as this episode's launching point.ELIZABETH LOFTUSUC Irvine faculty pageWikipedia pageTED Talk (2013), "How reliable is your memory?"Nobel Prize Summit (2023), "The misinformation effect"The New Yorker (2021), "How Elizabeth Loftus Changed the Meaning of Memory" DAN SIMONUSC Gould School of Law faculty pageCASBS bio"In Doubt: The Psychology of the Criminal Justice Process" (Harvard Univ. Press, 2012)Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences(CASBS)at Stanford UniversityCASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series, Social Science for a World in Crisis 

While you're listening to this episode, 2016-17 CASBS fellow Jonathan Jansen likely will write another few thousand words. As a scholar of education & leader of education institutions, Jansen is South Africa's most towering figure. To call him prolific is a gross understatement. He writes a steady stream of books & more books. As a public intellectual he writes a separate steady stream of columns & essays. And he's written a family memoir too. We bring 2022-23 CASBS fellow Zimitri Erasmus, a social anthropologist who is working on a book on writing praxis, in conversation with Jansen to unlock some secrets & insights into his most powerful & liberating weapon for engaging the world – writing.JONATHAN JANSENon Google ScholarJansen websiteMentioned in the episodeCorrupted: A Study of Chronic Dysfunction in South African Universities (2023)Song for Sarah: Lessons from my Mother (2017)Jansen and CASBS"Loving and Blacking" (symposium, 2017)"Higher Ed at the Crossroads" (webcast, 2020) ZIMITRI ERASMUSCASBS pageon Google Scholarat University of WitswatersrandCenter for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences(CASBS) at Stanford UniversityCASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series, Social Science for a World in Crisis 

What are the most effective collective actions that social protest movements can or should undertake in the context of deep societal conflict and polarization? CASBS fellows Eran Halperin (2022-23) & Robb Willer (2012-13, 2020-21) compare their cross-national research findings and explore Halperin's real-time applied work with the dramatic, ongoing protests in Israel.ERAN HALPERIN links:Psychology of Intergroup Conflict and Reconciliation Lab (PCIL)Halperin on Google ScholaraChord: Social Psychology for Social ChangeROBB WILLER links:Willer's Stanford faculty pageWiller's personal web pagePolarization and Social Change LabWiller on Google ScholarArticle in JPSP, "The Activist's Dilemma" (2020)Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityCASBS:website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis 

Drawing upon a career of scholarship extending from studies of labor, citizenship, and the state in Africa to explorations of global empire, colonialism, and globalization, three-time CASBS fellow Frederick Cooper – in conversation with 2022-23 fellows Jean Beaman and Martin Williams – gives a master class on how critical and relational thinking serve historical inquiries that advance our understandings. Frederick Cooper, CASBS fellow 1990-91, 1995-96, 2002-03NYU faculty pageWikipedia page Fred Cooper booksCitizenship, Inequality, and Difference: Historical Perspectives (2018)Citizenship Between Empire and Nation: Remaking France and French Africa, 1945-1960 (2014)Empires in World History: Power and the Politics of Difference (2010)Cooper Books in CASBS's Ralph W. Tyler Collection:Colonialism in Question: Theory, Knowledge, History (2005)Decolonization and African Society: The Labor Question in French and British Africa (1996)Confronting Historical Paradigms: Peasants, Labor, and the Capitalist World System in Africa and Latin America (1993)Fred Cooper article referenced in the episode"What is the Concept of Globalization Good for? An African Historian's Perspective" (2001) Jean Beaman faculty pageMartin Williams faculty page Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford UniversityCASBS:website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis  

This episode is  produced in association with the CASBS project "The Social Science of Caregiving," and draws further inspiration from the CASBS project "Imagining Adaptive Societies." Learn more about both:https://casbs.stanford.edu/programs/projects/social-science-caregivinghttps://casbs.stanford.edu/programs/projects/imagining-adaptive-societiesCASBS program director Zachary Ugolnik served as co-producer of this episode.Ted Chiang on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_ChiangTed Chiang in The New Yorker"Why Computers Won't Make Themselves Smarter"  https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/why-computers-wont-make-themselves-smarter"ChatGPT is a Blurry JPEG of the Web" https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/chatgpt-is-a-blurry-jpeg-of-the-web"Will A.I. Become the New McKinsey?" https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/will-ai-become-the-new-mckinsey"Ted Chiang's Soulful Science Fiction"  https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/ted-chiangs-soulful-science-fictionExplore the work of Alison Gopnikhttp://alisongopnik.com/http://www.gopniklab.berkeley.edu/alisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Gopnikhttps://www.ted.com/talks/alison_gopnik_what_do_babies_thinkhttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-alison-gopnik-transcript.htmlLearn about CASBSwebsite|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis  

This is a podcast version of a live CASBS webcast event. View video of the event here.The event was produced in association with CASBS's program on Creating a New Moral Political Economy. Learn about the program here.CASBS's moral political economy program guest-curated the Winter 2023 issue of Dædalus, a publication of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. The entire issue is open access here. Panelist John Ahlquist's essay in the issue provided impetus for the organization of the event this podcast episode draws from.CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis

Glenn Loury on Google ScholarCoate & Loury (1993), "Will Affirmative-Action Policies Eliminate Negative Stereotypes?"Loury, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality (The Du Bois Lectures)The Tanner Lectures at Stanford (2007) Lecture 1 | Lecture 2Loury (2008), Race, Incarceration, and American ValuesLoury (2019), "Why Does Racial Inequality Persist?"Somanathan and Allen, eds. (2020) Difference without Domination: Pursuing Justice in Diverse DemocraciesLoury public symposium at CASBS (2016), "Racial Inequality in 21st Century America" (video)CASBS webcast (2020), "The Persistence of Racial Inequality" (video); panel featuring Glenn Loury, Joshua Cohen, Francis Fukuyama, Alondra Nelso, & Margaret LeviThe Glenn Show (YouTube)The Glenn Show (Manhattan Institute)CASBS: website|Twitter|YouTube|LinkedIn|podcast|latest newsletter|signup|outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series,Social Science for a World in Crisis 

206: In this episode of Sales Bluebird, we dive into the complexities of SaaS security concerns and the challenges of getting attention and building pipelein. This episode features Yoni Shohet, co-founder and CEO of Valence Security who talks about their company's solution to clean up security issues and offers insights for salespeople to maximize their meetings. Yoni also sheds light on the challenges faced by CASBs  while discussing their company's product, Valence, which combines time to value and remediation in a compelling value proposition. Furthermore, they shed light on the challenges that organizations face in getting responses from their prospects and suggest a solution for decreasing unnecessary emails and calls. Tune in to learn more about the cybersecurity market, the challenges of sales pipeline drought, and the importance of creativity and differentiation.[00:03:49] "IDF Captain turned Cybersecurity Entrepreneur co-founds SCADAfense"[00:07:27] "Startup founders identify security loophole post-SolarWinds attack"[00:10:45] "Maximizing SaaS Capabilities: Overcoming Security Concerns"[00:13:10] "SaaS security platform delivers instant risk analysis"[00:15:28] "Automated Collaboration: The Key to SaaS Security"[00:17:58] "CASBs fall short in protecting SaaS applications"[00:20:44] Uncovering Hidden Risks of Data Sharing[00:23:15] "Creating Market Value: The Importance of Thought Leadership in Cybersecurity"[00:36:44] "Sales Approach Shift: Building versus Account Executives"[00:41:37] "Overcoming the challenge of communication in sales"Valence WebsiteYoni Shohet LinkedInSupport the show

Robert Keohane bios: CASBS | Princeton | WikipediaComparative Politics of Climate Change Policy workshops at CASBSComplex interdependenceAfter Hegemony: Cooperation and Discord in the World Political Economy2016 Balzan Prize | prize speechDesigning Social Inquiry: Scientific Inference in Qualitative ResearchJohan Skytte PrizeKeohane & Ostrom, Local Commons and Global InterdependenceCASBS: website | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn | podcast | latest newsletter | signup | outreach​Follow the CASBS webcast series, Social Science for a World in Crisis

Eric Debrah Otchere's research revolves around the power of music in the context of work; covering an ambitious range from ethnographic research on Ghanaian indigenous fishing culture to personalized musical preferences via modern technology. Throughout history, the power of music to enhance productivity and focus at work has been explored, leveraged and exploited - by individuals and societies. Combining empirical data from his extensive fieldwork with a critical review of literature and theories from different areas of study, Otchere is connecting previously siloed research into a comprehensive body of knowledge on the intricate relationship between music and work. This Long Now Talk is presented in partnership with the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford University. CASBS brings together deep thinkers from diverse disciplines and communities to advance understanding of the full range of human beliefs, behaviors, interactions, and institutions. A leading incubator of human-centered knowledge, CASBS facilitates collaborations across academia, policy, industry, civil society, and government to collectively design a better future.

Emerging Trends in The Social and Behavioral SciencesBob's Introduction to the projectAbout the Robert A. Scott Lectureship FundThe classic mud volleyball photo (click then scroll to the bottom of the article)Human Centered episode featuring Richard WranghamCASBS in the History of Behavioral EconomicsCASBS

Causal Inference for Social Impact LabEGAPJake BowersCarrie S. CihakDan HopkinsRuth LevinePiyush TantiaCASBS 

Moderator Debra SatzPanelistsElizabeth Anderson University of MichiganSamuel Bowles Santa Fe InstituteNobel laureate Sir Angus Deaton PrincetonAmy Kapczynski Yale Law CASBS@CasbsStanfordCreating a New Moral Political Economy program at CASBSSocial Science for a World in Crisis 

Sid Tarrow"Movements and Parties: Critical Connections in American Political Development" - Cambridge University PressEd WalkerCASBS@CasbsStanford

Don NormanPiyush Tantia's Ideas42CASBS@CasbsStanford

"Gen Z Explained: The Art of Living in a Digital Age"Roberta KatzSarah OgilvieJane ShawLinda WoodheadKat TenbargeCASBSCASBS project: Understanding the iGenerationSocial Science for a World in Crisis@CASBSStanford

As a society, how do we address the "wicked hard problem" of vaccine acceptance? How can public health institutions reach those who are hesitant when even robust fact-based campaigns don't seem to work? Infectious diseases are one of the long-standing challenges for humanity; historical plagues and flare ups of disease have transformed societies, redrawn boundaries across the globe and instigated mass migrations. Successive civilizations have grappled with attempts to control contagion and tried to protect their populations. With the advent of vaccines in the late 1700's it seemed humanity had finally found the way out of this potentially existential threat. But despite humans' deeply embedded fear of infectious disease, issues of vaccine acceptance arose from the start. Through decades of public health campaigns in multiple countries, a persistent thread can be seen of reluctance to adopt vaccines, despite extensive educational campaigns or even coercive tactics to get populations fully vaccinated. Prerna Singh asks how do we go beyond the usual behavior modeling to find out what actually works for these critical public health campaigns? Can we uncover the keys to human motivation to get people to act for their own protection and for the greater good? This Long Now Talk is presented in partnership with the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) at Stanford University. CASBS brings together deep thinkers from diverse disciplines and communities to advance understanding of the full range of human beliefs, behaviors, interactions, and institutions. A leading incubator of human-centered knowledge, CASBS facilitates collaborations across academia, policy, industry, civil society, and government to collectively design a better future.

David SearsVivian ZayasUCLA Political Psychology LabCASBS@CASBSStanford

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dana boydHenry FarrellMarion FourcadeWilliam JanewayCharlton McIlwainZeynep TufekciSuggested Reading"The Moral Economy of High Tech Modernism""Making Space for Black Software""Learning Like a State: Statecraft in the Digital Age""Isomorphism through algorithms: Institutional dependencies in the case of Facebook""The Ecology of Innovation"CASBS@CasbsStanfordSocial Science for a World in CrisisCreating a New Moral Political Economy

Allison StangerDaniel DennettFrom Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of MindsCASBS@casbsstanford

Speaker: Pang Laikwan, Professor of Cultural Studies, Chinese University of Hong Kong This paper focuses on the wide popularity of the meme and buzzword jiucai, garlic chives, on China's internet to investigate the cultural and political subjectivity of the ordinary Chinese citizens in a time of fierce competition simply to survive, largely known as neijuan, involution. Through this investigation of the garlic chives meme, the paper also updates Foucault's theory of the biopolitics by investigating the deeply intertwined relation between the biological, the economic, and the political in contemporary Chinese governmentality. While the post-socialist PRC has developed a sophisticated economic rationality to legitimize its state sovereignty, this economic sovereignty also strains the ordinary subjects so much that it begins to pose serious challenge to this legitimacy. PANG Laikwan is Professor of Cultural Studies at The Chinese University of Hong Kong. She is the author of a few books, including, more recently, The Appearing Demos: Hong Kong During and After the Umbrella Movement (U of Michigan, 2021), The Art of Cloning: Creative Production During China's Cultural Revolution (Verso, 2017), andCreativity and Its Discontents: China's Creative Industries and Intellectual Property Rights Offenses (Duke UP, 2012). She will be a CASBS fellow at Stanford University in the academic year of 2021-2022.

James Holland JonesRichard WranghamKimbale Chimpanzee ParkCASBSTwitter

Lately, the words of Greek Philosopher Heraclitus seem to ring truer than ever: Change really is the only constant. As societies grapple with COVID-19, racial justice, environmental crises, and rapidly shifting technology, it's become clear that the current political-economic framework is fraying. Is it time to make new moral and political choices about our future? How can we revamp current frameworks to fit an ever-changing set of needs? Stanford University's Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) hosts an entire program dedicated to just that question. The “Creating a New Moral Political Economy” program comprises over 100 academics, journalists, politicians, civil society activists, and technologists concerned with the future of capitalist democracies, all led by political scientist Margaret Levi. Levi's work with CASBS, along with former director Federica Carugati, led to the publication of their new book, A Moral Political Economy: Present, Past, and Future. In Town Hall's 107th episode of the In the Moment podcast, Steve Scher talks with Levi about the book and how economies reflect the moral and political choices that are forever made and remade, over and over again. Margaret Levi is the Sara Miller McCune Director of the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS), Professor of Political Science, and Senior Fellow of the Woods Institute for the Environment at Stanford University. She is the recipient of a vast array of honors and achievements, including the 2019 Johan Skytte Prize and the 2014 William H. Ryker Prize for Political Science. She has also been awarded several fellowships from major institutions including the National Academy of Sciences in 2015, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001, the American Academy of Political and Social Science in 2017, and the American Philosophical Society in 2018, among others. She was a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow in 2002. Levi is the author or coauthor of numerous articles and six books. Her research continues to focus on how to improve the quality of government and how to generate a better political-economic framework. She is also committed to understanding and improving supply chains so that the goods we consume are produced in a manner that sustains both the workers and the environment. Steve Scher is a podcaster and interviewer and has been a teacher at the University of Washington since 2009. He worked in Seattle public radio for almost 30 years and is Senior Correspondent for Town Hall Seattle's In the Moment podcast. Buy the Book: A Moral Political Economy: Present, Past and Future Learn more about the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. Presented by Town Hall Seattle. To become a member or make a donation click here. 

Lately, the words of Greek Philosopher Heraclitus seem to ring truer than ever: Change really is the only constant. As societies grapple with COVID-19, racial justice, environmental crises, and rapidly shifting technology, it's become clear that the current political-economic framework is fraying. Is it time to make new moral and political choices about our future? How can we revamp current frameworks to fit an ever-changing set of needs? Stanford University's Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) hosts an entire program dedicated to just that question. The “Creating a New Moral Political Economy” program comprises over 100 academics, journalists, politicians, civil society activists, and technologists concerned with the future of capitalist democracies, all led by political scientist Margaret Levi. Levi's work with CASBS, along with former director Federica Carugati, led to the publication of their new book, A Moral Political Economy: Present, Past, and Future. In Town Hall's 107th episode of the In the Moment podcast, Steve Scher talks with Levi about the book and how economies reflect the moral and political choices that are forever made and remade, over and over again. Margaret Levi is the Sara Miller McCune Director of the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS), Professor of Political Science, and Senior Fellow of the Woods Institute for the Environment at Stanford University. She is the recipient of a vast array of honors and achievements, including the 2019 Johan Skytte Prize and the 2014 William H. Ryker Prize for Political Science. She has also been awarded several fellowships from major institutions including the National Academy of Sciences in 2015, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001, the American Academy of Political and Social Science in 2017, and the American Philosophical Society in 2018, among others. She was a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow in 2002. Levi is the author or coauthor of numerous articles and six books. Her research continues to focus on how to improve the quality of government and how to generate a better political-economic framework. She is also committed to understanding and improving supply chains so that the goods we consume are produced in a manner that sustains both the workers and the environment. Steve Scher is a podcaster and interviewer and has been a teacher at the University of Washington since 2009. He worked in Seattle public radio for almost 30 years and is Senior Correspondent for Town Hall Seattle's In the Moment podcast. Buy the Book: A Moral Political Economy: Present, Past and Future Learn more about the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. Presented by Town Hall Seattle. To become a member or make a donation click here. 

American Voices Project crisis reportsOur TownsJames FallowsCorey FieldsDavid GruskyHazel MarkusCASBSCASBS on Twitter

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PanelistsPeter LoewenAdrian RafteryPrerna SinghRobb WillerAlexis MadrigalSuggested Readings, Event Info and moreVisit CASBS onlineCASBS on Twitter

Jenna BednarHilary CottamJames ManyikaGillian TettSuggested Readings“Governance for Human Flourishing”“The Social Contract in the 21st Century”“Welfare 5.0: Why We Need a Social Revolution and How to Make it Happen”Vist CASBS online@casbsstanford on Twitter

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Creating a New Moral Political EconomyArun MajumdarEric BeinhockerGenevieve BellKim Stanley RobinsonSuggested Readings“I am a carbon abolitionist”“Making the Fed’s Money Printer Go Brrrr for the Planet”“The 4th Industrial Revolution: Responsible & Secure AI”“Touching the future: Stories of systems, serendipity and grace”CASBS@CASBSStanford

Carolyn MerchantPaula Findlen"Science Turned Upside Down: Carolyn Merchant’s Vision of Nature, 40 Years Later""The Death of Nature: Women, Ecology, and the Scientific Revolution""The Anthropocene and The Humanities: From Climate Change to a New Age of Sustainability"CASBS@CASBSStanford

Lawrence D. BoboHenry Louis Gates, Jr.Claude SteeleMargaret LeviSocial Science for a World in Crisis SeriesCASBS@CASBSStanford

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ModeratorEstelle FreedmanPanelistsJennifer FreydJennifer GómezCarolyn Warner----Social Science for a World in CrisisEvent Page with InfoCASBS on Twitter

An aviator is an expert of the skies and must know how to properly navigate through clouds. Fully understanding cloud formations and their potential dangers when flying is a vital part their profession.Flying through clouds is just like driving through fog – little visibility can represent extreme danger for those unaware of the circumstance.To help us understand, Cloud Security expert Ashish Rajan, host of the popular Cloud Security Podcast, joins me and my special co-host Mike in BarCode's Skybox to discuss his incredible nephological knowledge.In this episode, we cover common cloud security misconceptions, cloud challenges in 2021, data immutability within in the cloud, and why he thinks CASBs are on the way out.Tony the Bartender provisions a "SkyLab".

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CASBS promo flyer for this discussion"Why Does Racial Inequality Persist? Culture, Causation, and Responsibility" Glenn's paper discussed by the panelGlenn C. LouryJoshua CohenFrancis FukuyamaAlondra NelsonCASBS on Twitter

CASBS Episode PagePanelists:Danielle AllenShaylyn Romney GarrettEric KlinenbergRobert PutnamModerator:David Brooks @CASBSStanford

Moderator:Margaret LeviPanelists:Tara BehrendLouis HymanJohn IronsPhyllis MoenSocial Science for a World in Crisis Series@CASBS on Twitter

Sandra González-BailónA great thread on her recent paper “Exposure to News Grows Less Fragmented with an Increase in Mobile Access”“Bots are Less Central than Verified Accounts during Contentious Political Events”Her book Decoding the Social WorldFacebook 2020 Election Research portal CASBSCASBS on Twitter

Social Science for a World in CrisisPanelistsNina BandeljJonathan David JansenCaitlin ZaloomModeratorDebra Satz Twitter @CASBSSTANFORD

Panelists:Shona BrownColin MayerMargaret O’MaraModerator:Paul BrestSocial Science for a World in CrisisCASBS on Twitter

Mario Biagioli's UCLA ProfileMario's article in the Los Angeles Review of Books, "Fraud by Numbers: Metrics and the New Academic Midconduct"Mario’s book “Gaming The Metrics: Misconduct and Manipulation in Academic Research”2019-20 CASBS fellow Brian Arthur’s paper “All Systems Will Be Gamed: Exploitative Behavior in Economic and Social Systems” 

Race and the Movement for Justice in AmericaVideo of the conversationCASBS on Twitter

Podcast: The Secure Communications Podcast (LS 25 · TOP 10% what is this?)Episode: Ron Gula: The Future of Quantum CryptographyPub date: 2020-07-09Quantum computing isn't a reality yet, but most experts concede it is not far away. When that day comes, threat actors will have the ability to decrypt data they've stolen years before -- unless that data is protected by quantum-resistant cryptography. On this week's episode of The Secure Communications Podcast, we talk with cybersecurity investor and policy expert Ron Gula about the promises of and challenges associated with quantum cryptography. In this episode Ron is President at Gula Tech Adventures, which focuses on cybersecurity technology, strategy and policy. Since 2017, GTA has invested in dozens of cyber start-ups and supported multiple cyber funds. From 2002 to 2016, Ron was the co-founder and CEO of Tenable Network Security. He helped grow the company to 20,000 customers, raise $300m in venture capital and grow revenues to $100m, setting up the company for an IPO in 2018. Prior to Tenable, Ron was a cyber industry pioneer and developed one of the first commercial network intrusion detection systems called Dragon, ran risk mitigation for the first cloud company, was deploying network honeypots in the mid 90s for the DOD and was a penetration tester for the NSA where he got to participate in some of the nation's first cyber exercises. Ron is involved in a variety of cyber nonprofits and think tanks including Defending Digital Campaigns, the Cyber Moonshot, the National Security Institute and the Wilson Center.  Quick links Check out the Gula Tech Adventures website Follow Ron on LinkedIn  Read Kathleen (00:08): Thank you for joining today's episode of The Secure Communications Podcast. I'm your host Kathleen Booth. And today my guest is Ron Gula. Ron was the founder, cofounder, I should say, and CEO of Tenable. Today he is the president and cofounder of Gula Tech Adventures. Ron, you have an unbelievable bio. You know, you've been on the board of so many different cybersecurity companies. You're an active investor. You are, have served as a global fellow at the Wilson center, an advisory board member for George Mason University's National Security Institute. You have such a fascinating perspective on the cybersecurity industry, you know, too much to name. If I went through your whole bio, we could spend the entire podcast on that. But, but I'm really excited to have you here and, and get your perspective on a topic that I think is really interesting, which is quantum cryptography. Ron (01:00): Thank you very much for the the kind introduction and thank you very much for having me on the podcast today. So quantum cryptography, I, I it's, that's a topic that people should be very, very afraid of. But unfortunately we're really not doing a whole lot about it right now. So you know, assuming your users know a good bit about cryptography already, I kind of look at this problem as if somebody's collecting all of your encrypted traffic. Can they use a quantum computer at some point in the future to somehow break that traffic? And you would think that because of that threat, perhaps from quantum computers, you know, that there'd be more investment here and more awareness, but there really hasn't been. Kathleen (01:43): So let's start out by talking about the timeline, because I think this is something that, well, it's certainly something that I find fascinating. And I don't know if, if everybody understands it and maybe this is one of the reasons for a lack of investment in it, you know? We don't have quantum computing yet. What is, what is your opinion as far as when you think that it will actually be usable? Ron (02:07): So it's, it's interesting. I, I've, I've gotten a chance to spend some time with quantum computing companies and I ask them, so, you know, I ask them, so when can we break crypto? You know, when can we solve certain kinds of other problems and whatnot? And typically there's not a good answer there. And, and, and I said, well, do you think anybody else has done it? And they typically say no, because as soon as somebody has figured out how to do it, all these people are going to disappear and go work for the CIA or the NSA or a bank or, or, or, or something like that. So I think it's really difficult to put a number on, is this like a next year thing or next decade thing? And the problem kind of also overlooks the fact that you've got to collect all this traffic. Ron (02:48): Now, if you think about, if you imagine that the NSA and our adversaries have an infinite amount of storage and have infinite points to collect our data, then, then this is a problem. But, you know, the reality is that we live in a world based on physics, and, you know, a lot of these things need to be stored and kept in places. And I don't think the average person's having, they're, they're, they're having more stuff stored on them in social media, then perhaps an adversary is going to, you know, kind of come after them and collect on them Kathleen (03:17): Now, and, and, you know, I'm not a highly technical cybersecurity expert. And so my understanding of quantum the risk associated with quantum computing is that, you know, we don't have to worry right now that somebody could use it to, you know, crack, crack into some of the most protected information we have, but someday it's going to be a possibility. And I think, you know, the average person might think, well, who cares? So someday we'll deal with it then. But I guess my understanding is it's, it's more, you know, we can have that data stolen now and it can be held and eventually compromised in the future when that capability does come online. Is that right? Ron (03:57): It is a good, a good application of that is imagine you have something today that a crypt, cryptography that we all use - the TLS, SSL TLS you know, basically the, the S in your HTTPS. Technically you should be able to go and, you know, go to a coffee shop and go visit your favorite, you know, Facebook website, that's got, that's protected by that kind of, of crypto. And even if it was collected, it's going to be hard to break. But if at some point in the future, you know, somebody does come along and have an easy to use quantum computing, you might be able to do that. Now it starts getting a little far fetched. Is there a coffee shop somewhere, of course, pre COVID or whatever, you know, but it's some place that we're all using, you know, publicly collectible traffic that we could then say, well, the one day Ron Gula came in and happened to check his bank account. Ron (04:49): I have those packets that are in there and all, all set to go, you know? It's, it's just, it's when you think of all the things you have to do to protect yourself online, you know, patch, two factor authentication. This, it's just not the top of list for most people. And if they want to, they can just use their own, you know, a VPN, a product that you guys offer, right? Where I've done my key exchange ahead of time. You know, granted, you might be able to collect those packets and, and do it, but now you're, you're still a much harder target than people who are just relying on the cryptography from the web applications that they're using. Kathleen (05:26): Yeah. And it seems like for the average person, the notion that somebody could steal my data now, and, you know, 10 years from now, they could crack into it, I would think, so what? Like, my credit card numbers will have changed by that point. Who knows if I'll be at the same bank? Like, it almost, it doesn't seem like much of a risk to me, but where I think it gets really scary is when you think about data leakage from a place like the NSA, which, which has been compromised, you know, and there has been information stolen out of there, and maybe somebody can't process it and get into it right now. But, but if 10 from now, they're able to discover the identities of certain people or, you know, different programs that the U S government has, that then becomes a truly frightening prospect it seems. Ron (06:08): It is. And again, it's hard to be a, you know, a cybersecurity pro, cyber security person and say like, this is just not that big of a deal. But for me, I used to be like, Hey, look, this is a big problem, right? Computer's gonna be a lot faster, whether they're quantum or not. And, but at the coffee shop, you know, with using your quantum resistant cryptography, chances are the, the, the 20 dollar lock on your house that you bought from Home Depot, somebody can bust through that and put, you know, sniffers in your house you know, but little bugs that can get the same kind of information that you're trying to protect. So the question is really is, you know, when you bring that over to a large enterprise, it's, it gets, it gets interesting. It's just not the number one thing that people are working on. Kathleen (06:53): So given that the differences in the kind of, the level of risk and the implications of a compromise, do you think that, where, where do you see most of the work coming from on, on quantum resistant cryptography? Is it, do you see a lot of it coming out of the government or being funded by the government, or do you see more of it coming out of the private sector? Ron (07:15): So, so the biggest innovation I've seen in quantum resistant sort of security is, is this concept of, of multipath communications or shredding. So if I'm going to go from point A to point B, and you're assuming that your adversary is collecting on you between those things, if you can take a thousand different routes, every second, you're going to minimize the amount of data that they can collect on you. And of course, they're on your computer. Your computer is compromised. It's not going to help you, but neither will quantum resistant cryptography. And similarly, you know, if you're worried about data at rest, and you've got a one MB file, if you had a, like a hashing algorithm or a way to just physically separate that file into many, many different places - a little bit on Amazon, a little bit on Google, a little bit on your USB drive - you know, whatever, whatever that combination is, an adversary would then not only have to be able to break, your crypto, like get access to all of that, that data, that data. So the strange thing is, I've been pitched a bunch of companies like this, and there's pretty cool things. And I just, haven't seen a lot of people jump on this because they're on this mindset that the future is basically endpoint cryptography, or endpoint computing and cloud computing. You know, there'll be no CASBs in the middle. There's no, it's just about that secure access between where I need to go and where I need to go. And they're not worried about, you know, making sure that it's crypto or quantum resistant at that point. Okay. Kathleen (08:37): What do you think is, needs to happen to change that? Ron (08:42): There's gotta be a little bit more, I think, demonstration of this. And unfortunately, you know, the demonstrations we are getting is that when we break crypto, it's usually a software bug, right? Someone's figured out a way that they can see the CPU, change a crypto algorithm, extract keys, extract that, that type of stuff. But the problem is, is that, you know, just doing basic cryptography is so hard. You really have to understand who has access to your keys. You have to rotate keys, you have to do all those things. And I always like to point out that a lot of people got into cybersecurity came out of the military. They were key custodians, right? They were the people who would re-key the point to point bulk encrypters. They would, they would do things like change the codes for, you know, for duress, the duties got protocols for changing these different things. And the commercial world, private citizens, they have no concept of that. Ron (09:29): Right? I mean, I, I know people who have bad passwords to get into their password manager, you know? It's like, that's not the point, you know? So, so that's my concern is that, you know, we've really got to level up, a lot of basic hygiene things before we go tackle this. Now don't get me wrong. If, if tomorrow you know, Facebook or, or, or, or Amazon, or, you know, whoever has got more advanced, you know, ways for us to authenticate and, you know, encrypt as we, as we connect to them, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm happy with that. But in the meantime, you know, I still recommend people, like, if you're concerned about this, you should be buying products like Attila. You should be buying products that where you control your own infrastructure and then make use of what you control, because you can't just control everything else. Kathleen (10:17): So who's, who's doing really interesting work in the field of quantum cryptography? Who's out there kind of at the cutting edge? Ron (10:26): So there's, it's a little bit like the supercomputers, right? And so they, they every, every month or so you hear, Oh, the Japanese have got the world's largest supercomputer or the Russians do, or the Chinese do. Right? So the quantum folks are doing, doing interesting things. So the quantum computing folks, you've got here in Maryland, you've got that. Everybody's got a project because there's such interesting things. And, you know, I get to watch a lot of science fiction and, and play a lot of science fiction. You know, like World Builders. I'm playing Expanding Universe 2 right now. And it's kind of like Civilization, right? And quantum computing is usually one of the things you unlock that gives your, your race or your species, you know, magical powers. The problem is that the promise of what the quantum community just hasn't, it hasn't delivered yet. I think if anybody has broken it, you know, or they haven't done a lot of a lot of practical things with it just yet, that we've, that we've seen. Kathleen (11:19): So do you think it will be broken at the nation state level or in the private sector? Ron (11:22): Yeah. These are very, these are it's um, so without trying to sound too negative, so venture capital people talk to each other and you know, why would you invest in this company? Why would you not invest in this company? And it really tracks, the quantum computing, it's really tracking like healthcare research, where it takes a long time. There's a lot of PhDs in involved. A lot of universities involved. A lot of research. I mean, this is not true trivial stuff that you're going to do in your, or your, your garage. You're talking, moving atoms your, and then getting them to do things, things, and compute. And it sounded like wasn't that what a chip is? Like, Oh, the science is a lot different. Ron (12:07): I was very lucky. One day I got to visit one of these, these super computing, quantum computing companies. And there was another visiting fellow and, and this person had been to like nine other places. I got to hear about all the different kinds of, I'm dated because it's only two years ago. But at the same time, this could be a 20 year journey before we have a practical computer that you can buy in your, your you know, in your house. And it reminds me of when you, when you go and you see these, these quantum computers, you, you're like, where's the computer? They don't look like computers. It's telling you, there's a couple of these organizations. Ron (12:50): They show basic things like, show me how to code the traveling salesman problems. And I'll, I'll get the look like, no, we're not, you know, we're not really there yet. It's something I think is, is worthwhile to do. And if we're going to talk, talk a bit about quantum encryption and a bit about, there's this third area about quantum communications, where you can basically encode you know, the photons, the wave lengths in a certain way. Possibly you can, you can change a quantum object here. Maybe you can, you can stimulate it moving on the other side of the universe as a form of communications. I would love to see that. Everything I've seen has been snake oil. So, you know, I'm all for that kind of stuff, but it's, it's, it's not ready for commoditization in prime time just yet. Kathleen (13:37): Yeah. Now how accessible, if, if somebody is concerned about this and they do want to take steps now to try and protect their data, how accessible is quantum resistant cryptography now? Ron (13:51): Well, one of the reasons, so it's very accessible. You know, one of the reasons that the venture capital community has not jumped on this, it's because the cryptography becomes an OEM type of type of market. And before, you know, I get jumped on for, not from you, but know my business model. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Ron (14:20): I have to do similar things. I probably have been pitched the last three, four years, probably about maybe 10 or 11 different quantum crypto library companies, where they actually don't sell anything to a direct customer. They sell it as a third party. Like a you know, w which is the believer that it's the right thing, because, you know, photography is hard. What you want is you want a team of really, really smart people who that's, all they've done. They focused on the cryptography has been vetted by the U S government. You know, that, that that sort of approach, the problem is that if they're out there selling well, licensing a library, it's not a huge, a huge thing. Back in the late nineties, early two thousands, I remember that you know, ISS, for the product that they were doing, they switched to elliptic curve cryptography to you know, communicate with their agents. And it was more resistant and that kind of stuff. Didn't really make a lot of difference I think for, for, for people that were like, okay, that's cool. That's, that's, that's better crypto, but, you know, does that really make you a better, a better security? And you would think it would be, especially since people do break into security products, but the market didn't, the market could have cared less. They want easier to use products. They don't really want, you know, that kind of stuff, but that's kind of where we're at right now. Kathleen (15:31): That's so fascinating. I mean, I think it's, it kind of applies to a lot of security, the sense that, you know, while we know there are risks out there, we just choose not to protect against them. It's, you know, it's like buying insurance, it's the same principle. It'll never happen to me. It's not going to happen anytime soon. That sort of thing. So I'm, I'm curious to see, what's going to take place that will prompt more of an interest in this. Ron (15:54): Yeah, what's going to happen, in the United States, it's NIST. N I S T is the group that does that. You've probably heard of it. DES encryption and triple DES, and then there was AES encryption and, and NIST does bake offs the same way that the air force does bakeoffs, like we have the F22 Raptor aircraft. But, but what do we really want? And this has got a lot of input from the NSA. They got a lot of very, very smart mathematicians and they're baking off these algorithms. And you know, I haven't gotten a recent update, but almost every pitch I get is like, Oh, we're part of the bake off for NIST. We were, we won this, this, this part of it. That's great. That's awesome. Kathleen (16:45): Yeah. Demand just needs to follow, I guess. Ron (16:49): It is. It's, it's one of those things where you, you know, like, let's say I got a tip from somebody who had a breakthrough in, in cryptography. You almost don't want to touch that because historically, that's where, you know, something's wrong and you, you miss a leak, you miss some sort of entropy sort of, sort of where you can actually decrypt it. And now crypto is the NSA because they have enough people to do the peer review and, and literally red team it and attack it. And I think that's very apt in these kinds of things. If you're a small company, a 10 person company, and you're coming up with the next generation, you know, quantum resistant, crypto, great prov it. You know? Go to NIST. Go to all that stuff. And, and then even after that, what's your business model? Like, why is your crypto going to be that much better than, than, than everybody else? Kathleen (17:44): Yeah. Well, it sounds like the U S government will lead the way, at least in creating demand if, you know, for it to protect itself. And then, and then it sounds as though that that could roll out a form of standards or regulations that would eventually bleed into the private sector. Is that accurate? Ron (18:00): Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's very accurate. Ron (18:12): There's like satellites, if you've did right. It's, it's there. But when you're, when you're in space and when you're, you're there, know that's, that's weight on that device. So, so there's believe it or not, you know, there's a really a need for just encrypting in general. And it can even be bad encryption, but there's a lot of stuff that's, un-encrypted, that's, that's, that's still going on today. Actually, we have more encryption everywhere that you know, we have a lot of other things that were, that are in the clear now, that are not so much in the clear. Kathleen (18:42): Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. I was talking to somebody the other day about IOT and it sounds like that's one area that, that is incredibly vulnerable for that same reason. Ron (18:52): So not only with IOT, do we have an issue where the device itself might have not been coded securely, but the protocols that'd be an inline when, if you look at something like SMB version three, which is very enterprise ready and has all sorts of which of levels of, of cryptography, you know, kind of built into it, you know, you just don't see that, you know, and, and talk to the cloud and we're going to give you a web interface, or a mobile app to talk to that cloud, you're hardly ever, so we need to reverse engineer it. With like one of your portfolio companies, you know, Refirm Labs from DataTribe there, you know, they find tons of stuff in IOT devices, all, all the day. Encrypt, you know, can, can you encrypt that better? Can you keep it, what's being collected half the time? So, so that's kinda where I'm seeing that market at right now. Kathleen (19:53): Yeah. Now, switching gears, you are an investor, you, as you mentioned, you get pitched by a lot of companies. You see a lot of technology. Is there a particular cybersecurity technology that you're really excited about right now? Ron (20:12): My friend's at DataTribe have some of my favorite companies. So way, the way I like to talk about it, is that, you know, I've done two companies. I've done Network Security Wizards, which was a network intrusion detection company. We did Tenable Network Security, which is cyber, you know? Ron (20:36): And swim lane. And after I left Tenable as an investor, I really got to explore. There's Huntress Labs. Huntress Labs is really focused on the SMB and finding malware, or finding back doors, finding, you know, phishing, phishing targets, you know? I find that very exciting. It's not about just their detection is it better than, you know, a Crowdstrike or a Sentinel One. It does it. Cause when, when you're dealing with a dentist office, it's a such a different mindset than, you know, dealing with like a bank, you know? Where we're, where they've got, you know, so I'm enjoying stuff like that. I'm, I'm really enjoying a lot of the different ways we can solve some of these problems. Some of the things that, that we've invested in is like cyber education. So if you look at the work that we're doing with Cybrary and you extend that to people like Catalyte, you know, that's, that's really interesting. The ability to use AI and, and, and create, you know, developers and IT teams, or in Cybrary's case, you know, the development or the ability to really, you know, pull people either from you know, inner city, retiring veterans, just anybody who's got a, access to the, to the internet, you know, into the cyber you know, career is, is just, is just really, really fun stuff. Ron (22:05): So it's, I think my biggest frustration sometimes is I'll, we'll invest in a certain category and somebody will solve it a certain way. And then another company will come along and solve it almost completely differently. Then we're sort of like, okay, well, do we want to invest in both of these companies, because they're going after the same dollars. Kathleen (22:27): Yeah. Ron (22:34): On the cloud, like Cloud Flare, or are you going to be in like a contrast, you know, and those two completely different businesses, well, security, it gets, it gets in there. That's the world I get to live in. And I really enjoy helping people think through that. And you know, hopefully we're making a difference and invest in the second and third tier here. Kathleen (23:02): Well, I love that you're involved in so many different education organizations and, and trying to kind of bring up the next, the next generation of cybersecurity professionals. I also love that you've been in business with your wife for so many years. Fun fact, I owned a company for 11 years with my husband. And so I feel like we could have an entirely separate podcast episode just on, just on working with your spouse, but I think that's, that's fantastic. And I love that story about what you guys are doing. Ron (23:30): So it's, it's funny you know, a lot of people know our story. You know, Cindy didn't get sort of the cofounder or on the web sort of, sort of u, you know, I had it explained to me, if you look at the, just for example, the divorce rate, you know, that kind of stuff, there's just, there's a, there's a 50% chance one of you is going to get divorced and leave the company and it, and that's a real risk. I get it. I get it. Having said that though, now that we've been a lot more public about it, I'm finding like you, you, you did business with your husband. I'll find a, to a brother's team, you know, that, that, that are working together. Now, brothers don't get divorced, but you can have fallings out with your families and stuff like that. I find that if you can make it work, it can be a very, very strong thing. But whenever we do sort of like off the cuff marriage counseling or anything like that, it's not like, Hey, why don't you, you guys go start a business. That'll solve all your, you know, all your things. But, but yeah, no, glad that, glad you brought that up. Kathleen (24:35): Yeah. I think going into business with anyone is kind of like getting married. Like, you have to be a phenomenal communicator and you've got to talk about everything to make it work. I always say that my greatest accomplishment in life is that I'm still married after 11 years of business partnership. So you're right. It's, it's, it's great. You have a level of trust you can't get with somebody you know, somebody else, who's not your family, so fantastic. Well, I really appreciate you joining me for this episode. It was, it was fascinating. If somebody wants to learn more about you and some of the work you're doing, where should they look online? Ron (25:12): So we maintain a webpage at gula.tech. We have a list of all the portfolio companies, including the DataTribe companies like you guys. And you know, we blog a good bit about podcasts. I'll be putting this on our blog eventually. And then you know, if they want, I do, I do post pretty pro, a good bit on LinkedIn, a little bit, you know, business. You gotta keep it on LinkedIn, but I appreciate anybody that wants to look us up. So let us know. Kathleen (25:48): Fantastic. Well, I'll put those links in the show notes. And if you're listening and you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving the podcast a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you choose to listen. And we want to hear from you. If you have an idea for a future episode, tweet us at @Attilasecurity. Thanks for listening. And thank you, Ron. 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Jen Pan’s homepageHer recent book “Welfare for Autocrats” Big thanks to CASBS staff member Teresita Heiser for opening the episode for us!

Alta CharoShe recommends checking out the documentary “Human Nature,” in which she appears.Learn about CRISPR gene editingRevive & Restore, the organization working on “genetic rescue” of endangered and extinct species.The controversy over He Jiankui’s genetic modification of human embryosVisit CASBS on the webVisit CASBS on TwitterCASBS staff member Jason Gonzales read this episode's opening line. Woohoo!

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Wendy K. Tam Cho's homepageFamiliarize yourself with Optimization Problems"How to Quantify (and Fight) Gerrymandering” - Quanta Magazine“Toward a Talismanic Redistricting Tool: A Computational Method for Identifying Extreme Redistricting Plans” - Wendy K. Tam Cho and Yan Y. LiuWendy’s reading recommendation “Deep Thinking” by Gary Kasparov"

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Millennia before engineering or software, robots and
 artificial intelligence were brought to life in Greek myths. The author of Gods and Robots Myths, Machines, and Ancient Dreams of Technology traces the link between technology and tyranny from modern day concerns over AI to back to antiquities fear of beings were "made, not born.” Adrienne Mayor is a folklorist and historian of ancient science who investigates natural knowledge contained in pre-scientific myths and oral traditions. She has been at Stanford University since 02006; Gods and Robots (2018) is her most recent book. Her other books include The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times (2000); Greek Fire, Poison Arrows, and Scorpion Bombs: Biological and Chemical Warfare in the Ancient World (2003); The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women (2014); and a biography of Mithradates, The Poison King (2010), a National Book Award finalist. She is a 02018-19 Berggruen Fellow at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS), co-sponsors of this talk. While at CASBS she is continuing her investigations about how imagination is a link between myths about technology and science. Other projects include researching interdisciplinary topics in geomythology, to discover natural knowledge and scientific realities embedded in mythological traditions about nature.

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King County's Communities of Opportunity programKirsten's article "The almighty credit score: It tracks the past, predicts the future, and maintains existing hierarchies"San Francisco's Mission Asset FundConsumer Financial Protection Bureau's report on payday loansBetrayal Trauma Theory (a concept pioneered by 1989-90 & 2018-19 CASBS fellow Jennifer Freyd)Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences@casbsstanford on twitter

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The human quest to understand our world continues. The Director of Stanford’s Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) discusses how academics and researchers have organized the study of human action, society, and institutions over time, how they share their findings, and what transformations we need for the future. Margaret Levi is Professor of Political Science at Stanford University and the Sara Miller McCune Director of CASBS. She is Jere L. Bacharach Professor Emerita of International Studies in the Department of Political Science at the University of Washington. She became a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001, a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow in 2002, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences in 2015.

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In the news, evaluating endpoint protection, trouble at Tanium, micro-virtualization, spying on your users, NAC meets anti-malware, CASBs and Facebook. Full Show Notes: http://wiki.securityweekly.com/wiki/index.php/ES_Episode41 Visit http://securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes!

Monitoring new cloud environments for adequate security is challenging, particularly when trying to determine which approach might be best. Most Managed Security Service Providers (MSSPs), while "out there" in someone else's data center, are not operating from the cloud and are not necessarily the right choice for monitoring the security of cloud instances. Organizations have a responsibility to manage the relationship when MSSPs are used or money could be wasted. Emerging between the enterprise and the cloud are Cloud Access Security Brokers or CASBs. These topics are explored in this discussion between Security Current's Vic Wheatman and Gartner Research Vice President Dr. Anton Chuvakin.