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Title: Capital Raising is the New Superpower: How to Win in Any Economy with Hunter Thompson Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley engages with Hunter Thompson, a prominent figure in the world of passive income investing. They discuss the current economic landscape, including rising interest rates, inflation, and the inverted yield curve, and how these factors impact real estate investments. Hunter shares his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the importance of diversification and capital raising in passive investing. The conversation also touches on strategies for navigating the current market and the significance of education and mentorship in achieving financial freedom. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9QZ1WTVLUE Bullet Point Highlights: Passive income allows you to practice when you want, not because you have to. Rising interest rates and inflation are significant factors in real estate investing. Diversification is key to mitigating risks in real estate investments. Capital raising can be a hybrid approach to passive investing. Understanding economic indicators can help predict market trends. Real estate is a hedge against inflation, benefiting from rising rents. Investors should focus on net operating income (NOI) when evaluating properties. Education and mentorship are crucial for success in investing. Speed in decision-making can lead to better investment opportunities. Having a virtual assistant can help manage time effectively.  Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.42) What's going on law nation. Welcome to the passive income attorney podcast, the best place for learning about the world of alternative passive investing so that you can practice when you want to and not because you have to. So if you're ready to kick that billable hour to the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com to download the freedom blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate investments and   We have a live deal right now. It's a 506 C opportunity for accredited investors only with a target preferred return of 15%. Yes, 15%. You heard that right. So jump on that. If you have a chance today, let's talk about when and what to invest in. There's been a lot of chatter about waiting for the right time to jump in over the last, I don't know. I'd say five years or so.   because everyone has their own prediction on when the next 2008 might happen. But well, other than the blip caused by the recent global pandemic, we haven't seen that natural correction yet. And who really knows when that will be? Nobody does. But what we have seen are very strong influences that could impact the real estate market in the very near future. And you know what I'm talking about?   I'm talking about rising interest rates. I'm talking about a highly inflationary environment that we're all feeling combined with, you know, an under supply that's creating a high demand and skyrocketing prices. So with all these different factors culminating right now, what does it all mean? What can we predict after factoring in all these things? Well, you're about to find out.   In this episode, one of my favorite investing personalities, Hunter Thompson shares his expert insights into this economic melting pot that's happening right now and how you can capitalize on it before you get left behind. Hunter is the founder of ACM Capital and who has acquired over $150 million of mobile home parks, self-storage retail office, ATM machines and cryptocurrency assets.   Seth Bradley (02:29.868) Hunter is also the host of the cashflow connections, real estate podcast, which has received over 1 million downloads. He's also wrote raising capital for real estate, which hit number one on Amazon in real estate sales and selling really stoked for this guys. Let's go.   This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of to make Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's Seth Bradley.   the ultra.   Seth Bradley (02:57.475) y'all   Seth Bradley (03:09.518) Here's your host.   Hunter Thompson, what's going on? Rather welcome to the show.   Hey, thanks a lot. Our honor to on.   Absolutely, man. You're someone I personally look up to a lot and holding high regard in this industry. So super stoked to have you on the show today, man. Thanks again. Absolutely, man. So look, you've been on a ton of podcasts and you know, you're the host of your own successful show, cashflow connections. So I got to ask who's the real Hunter Thompson.   and mutual.   Hunter Thompson (03:38.894) So, I mean, you know, someone asked me like, if I had to say one word that identify it's entrepreneur man. And I think everyone listens to that. That's probably that speaks to them because anybody listened to the show, they take an entrepreneurial approach to reality and to their lives. Like we were not born passive real estate investors, right? In fact, we had to find this stuff out on our own to a large degree. And   A lot of us were kind of taught a lot of myths about investing, you know, save only invest in the stock market. For some reason, dividends can pay off your expenses at some points. Like you have to have a $40 million net worth to do that, you know? And so that feeling of like, man, I may have been lied to about some of the most important things in life kind of inspired me to go down a cool path and, you know, break some rules along the way, but here we are.   Nice. I love it, man. So dive in a little bit deeper. Tell us a little bit about your background and your story, and then we'll jump into it.   Sure, so I think for a lot of people when they talk about real estate and like their history in the space, 2008 is gonna come up. And that's the same for me. But I was very insulated from that risk. So was in college during 2008, but I saw what took place and I had a background as an entrepreneur and a poker player. And so I wasn't really like investing in the stock market, but when 2008 happened, saw flood was in the streets and I heard the quotes from the billionaires that said, that's when you should be buying.   And so I basically went all in on education. I was obsessed with CNBC. Jim Kramer was like the biggest fan of his, just reading everything from Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, all those guys and started to follow financial markets, even dabbled in day trading a bit. And then something happened, started to have success as anybody that did that started in 2008, by the way. But it wasn't really until 2010 that something happened that like completely shifted my perspective.   Hunter Thompson (05:33.194) on everything I had learned up until that point. And people don't talk a lot about 2010, but for me, that was the big moment because after all of this research about quote diversification and hey, you got to get Apple and Johnson and Johnson and also some cash and maybe some gold and these types of things out of nowhere, the European debt crisis happened and it created massive challenges with volatility in the US markets.   And all of sudden everyone was focusing on some obscure economic data point, which was the Greece bond yields and the German bond yields. And it was like, Hey man, all this research I had done never suggested that something as ridiculous and obscure. I'm talking to every single person on CNBC was watching the   German bond yields. And the quote at the time was, if it goes above 7%, the S &P 500 is going to dive. And they were correct. And every day it would go above 7%, below 7%, and the S &P would go up and down and five, like over and over again. And I was like, I've got to find a way that a small firm or myself can conduct due diligence on an asset class that is, the performance is directly tied to supply and demand, not the German bond yields.   And so I was actually not really interested in real estate specifically. I just ended up doing a lot of research on everything that was out there and found real estate was extremely predictable in terms of wealth creation and had the opportunity to create some asymmetric returns. So that's what led us to this conversation today.   Yeah, yeah. So I know your story pretty well. So fill the audience in a little bit, but I know that Jeremy Roll, who's been a guest on our show before, is a mentor of yours and one of the first people kind of got you into the space or got you interested in the space. And he's well known for taking a fully passive approach, right? He's one of these guys that's just fully passive. That's kind of his thing. How have you kind of adapted that approach and made it your own?   Hunter Thompson (07:29.038) So yeah, you're right. going back to like 2010, I moved to California, which is one of the most decimated States in the country in terms of the recession, right? And so that's where I started my real estate career. And so I would go into the networking events, sometimes four or five a week. And it was honestly like going to, mean, it was somber to say the least. People had lost their shirts, people that created $10 million of wealth. If they were all invested in California, some of them are wiped out.   And I found that there was a couple of strategies that really struggled and there's a couple of strategies that didn't struggle. And, you know, some people don't talk about this, the default rate for multifamily apartments, 150 units or more like Fannie Fannie financed 1.5 % during 2008.   I mean, it's just, that's the reality of quality assets with a lot of checks. If you got a lot of checks and they keep coming in because rental income is not really volatile, you just didn't have that big of a problem. So I was very sympathetic to finding out how to do this. And the first person that really introduced to me to this was like you said, Jeremy Roll. And the thesis was this.   I'm very, I want to be focused on diversification. I don't want to be hyper allocated to one particular niche, but if you study economics, you know that in order to have a market advantage, you must be focused on doing one thing better than everyone else. But that is not conducive to building a portfolio that is diversified. Like you probably have interviewed a lot of like, let's say self storage.   Operator that's like all in on cell storage and Florida's the market and everybody knows the demographics are super favorable. got their whole $30 million net worth all in the East coast of Florida. And it's insane. All the baby boomers are moving there. It's amazing. And then once a year when it's hurricane season, they can't sleep for months because they got $30 million on the East coast of Florida. And it's like, man, the East coast of Florida is awesome, but maybe I should have a little bit in Georgia. Maybe I should have a little bit in senior living in Wyoming. You know what I mean? So.   Hunter Thompson (09:33.698) That's the only way to accomplish that from my perspective is to have a diversified passive approach. And I do know Jeremy very well, he doesn't just go to Mexico and drink Mai Tais. I mean, he works 50, 60 hours a week trying to allocate his portfolio appropriately. And I do a similar kind of thing with my portfolio and also have an active side of the business as well, which is where I raise capital for other people's deals.   Yeah. That's the beautiful part about passive investing is you can diversify across different asset classes, different geographies with different sponsors, all that sort of thing so that you can diversify within the realm of real estate or business or whatever it might be. Rather than if you are an active sponsor, you're operating those properties. That market advantage is knowing the market, knowing the market being boots on the ground and knowing all those intricacies rather than, but you know, if you're that person, it's very difficult to diversify.   Perhaps you can pass it invest in somebody else's deals. But again, you're, jumping into the passive investing space. Yeah. So you're very well known as, know, a great capital raiser. Do you consider that a passive approach or is that an active approach?   That's exactly right.   Hunter Thompson (10:44.142) Well, it's a hybrid, right? Because what I do is I still find and aggregate active owner operators in their respective niches. It's just that because I have a little bit of expertise in this and a due diligence process and some economies of scale, because we've invested very significantly over the years and because we have hundreds of investors and thousands of people on our list or tens of thousands on our list, we can do the level of due diligence that most passive investors can't.   even if they knew exactly what to do, it's not economically viable. So I'll you an example. There's a lot of passive investors that listen to the show. And I'm sure that if you had the time and infinite resources, you would want to go visit these properties in person on every single deal. Spend probably a hundred hours on due diligence on each deal. know, not only talk to the sponsors themselves, but their CPAs, their contractors, their property managers. You want to review their software. You want to run criminal checks, background checks.   If you had infinite time and resources, you'd probably do all that stuff. But if you do all that and you're investing 50 grand, your return profile is gonna be deteriorated by that due diligence process. And so I feel like there's need in the space for that extra layer of due diligence, but it's not economically viable unless you're pulling capital together, aggregating investors. And so that's why I founded Asim Capital to do that exact thing. We provide that service and...   usually investors aren't really paying anything out of pocket. We get our economics from the sponsor because we can show up with, hey, $5 million in 30 days, $10 million in 60 days, these types of things. And that's a great skill to have in the business of real estate.   Yeah. And you just laid that out perfectly. You know, why some people ask, why don't you just go straight to the operator to invest in rather than someone who might be mainly a capital raiser or an aggregator of capital. And you just laid that out perfectly. It's, you know, that's an extra layer of due diligence, time, effort, money that you as the passive investor don't have to do. And if you do do it, it just stops making sense. I mean, there's only so much you can do. Even if you take something simple.   Seth Bradley (12:51.022) It's certainly not simple, but something like, you know, looking at a sponsor's underwriting model, there are so many things to look into that and you won't be able to pick that apart. I mean, you just won't from the past investors per second. Even if I go grab somebody sponsors, some sponsors underwriting model and look at it, I don't know what equations they've changed. I'm not going to check a thousand different equations. But what we do bring value wise is that we know these sponsors. It's a really small industry when you get to know everyone in it.   And we know their reputations. know how their deals have gone. We know how they treat their past investors. So that's just an extra level of due diligence that the past investors at the retail level might not be able to do. least not.   Exactly right. That's exactly right. And something else, think that I obviously I've mentioned economics a couple of times in the show. Like this is the lens through which I view the space. And if you are an owner operator, you want to kind of play lip service to economics. So the reality is you've got your head down because you can't adjust your business accordingly. Like if you're a retail owner operator and then retail centers get   closed in 2020 and you cannot go to retail. You can't just go, all right, we're doing hotels now. You can't, I mean, you've built up a business around that, but as a passive investor, you can be nimble and aggregate capital and allocate capital based on your view through the lens of economics or otherwise.   Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you're not going to if you're a retail operator, you're not going to say in tanks, you're not going to be like, OK, well, retail sucks now. Don't don't invest with me. Forget about it. Exactly. That's the more else you've got to come up with reasons why to invest in. It might not be the best for those investors.   Hunter Thompson (14:29.516) That's exactly right. That's exactly right.   So a lot of our listeners are attorneys, they're doctors, they're W-2s. Is raising capital something they should be interested in getting into? Should they take that next step?   depends. So, I mean, we do a webinar about raising money. And the first thing we say is like, Hey, look, this is like the third slide in the presentation. And I say like, are you actually ready for this responsibility? If not, should leave now because you know, what we talk about is turning on the faucet, turning on that thing. It's like the X factor of every business. And I don't want you to 10 X. I don't know what I'm doing. You know, so it's, take the responsibility very, very seriously. And,   If you haven't done a deal, for example, you shouldn't raise money for a deal. What you should do is go all in on education. And I know you've done just a tremendous job kind of educating your base, but you can go all in. I'll put this, this is like a really powerful way to put this. So in 2010, when I started going to real estate meetings, everyone was saying like, honor, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. I've been in this business for 30 years and never seen anything like it. This is the back the truck up moment. And I was like,   back what truck up? Like, don't know what I'm doing. Like, I don't know what a cap rate is. You know what I mean? But here's the crazy thing. They were absolutely correct. The market dynamics was so favorable that it was probably more favorable than any time in history, especially when it comes to commercial real estate. But four years later, I had developed more confidence, more knowledge, more network that the deals I solved then were better than the deals I saw in 2010. And that is why this game is amazing.   Hunter Thompson (16:05.794) because if you can expand your network and knowledge and confidence faster than even the most pronounced recovery in the history of real estate. And so all those people that if you ever hear someone saying like, now's the opportunity of a lifetime, go all in, like maybe they're right, but it might not be the right time for you. So just take your time, stay away from people that are pushy. The reason this game works is that it works all the time. So you never miss the opportunity of a lifetime. That's the whole point.   Love it, man. Yeah. So they already have the network, right? If you're an attorney or doctor, you probably know other attorneys and doctors. So at least you have that network established of high net worth individuals that you might be able to aggregate some capital with. But you're right. I mean, the education piece is imperative and everybody goes through that learning curve and it takes some time. And there's a lot of responsibilities to come with raising capital and investing in real estate in general. So you've got to make sure that you get that education piece nailed down.   Totally. Actually, do you mind if I, so like something that's been just like on my mind recently is, and so many past investors need to understand is that there's been a lot of discussion around the yield curve inversion and all of that. Do you mind if I talk about that? I'm sure that the lot of listeners are going to be interested. Okay. So recently, you know, there's been a lot of discussion around economic indicators and recessions and such, and what that may mean for us as investors and   Absolutely, let's jump into it.   Hunter Thompson (17:30.328) Part of this is because of the inverted yield curve. And I'll break what that down means just really quickly. So typically speaking, bond yields slope up into the right. If you think of the X axis as time and the Y axis as the yield, you would think that the yields would slope up into the right because the longer the time, the more time risk you're incurring, the higher the return you would want on your bond. So that's typical.   But every now and then there's this economic phenomenon that takes place where short-term bonds can produce higher yields than long-term bonds because people are concerned about short-term risk. And so bonds, the long-term bonds, people flood into the long-term bonds, which reduces the yields and also increase the yields of the short-term bonds. And so this unique phenomenon takes place. And historically speaking, this has been a very good predictor of recessions, typically 18 to 22 months after the inversion.   of the two year and the 10 year bonds. Does that make sense before I go forward? Yeah. Okay. So I think that this is a good indicator of recessions, generally speaking, but I am very bullish about the current environment and I can give you some data as to why, but most importantly, 2008 is a really significant aberration. Recessions do not typically trigger   significant pullbacks in real estate. mean, a 10 % pullback in real estate, especially commercial real estate or multifamily apartments in particular, that is pretty a historic. mean, it takes, you got to look back decades to find these types of examples. And I just want investors to understand that. But we saw something in 2008 that this was confirmed in 2020. That is just a holy crap type of moment, even in the face of that potentially challenging information.   which is in 2008, for the first time to this scale, the federal government, know, printed trillions of dollars. And this was basically the Pandora's box, which was open in terms of quantitative easing. And I believe it set the precedent that anytime something catastrophic or borderline catastrophic or could be catastrophic, could happen, they're gonna smash that button. And I've been talking about this for a decade and then 2020 happens.   Hunter Thompson (19:51.252) And boy, were we right. And they smashed the trillion dollar button harder than they've ever smashed it before. The United States government printed about a $6 trillion. Federal governments all around the world, the central banks printed another $4 trillion. So there's 10 trillion extra dollars in the system slushing around the financial sector searching for yield. And I believe   that what's going to happen is that yield, that search is gonna go into the bond markets first, because it's the only place you can place trillions of dollars quickly. And then it's gonna work its way to United States real estate, which I think still is the most favorable risk adjusted investment in the world. And I'm not the only one that thinks that. So imagine this trillion dollar tsunami set to crash on a very limited amount of supply in the United States.   in the wake of enduring an affordable housing crisis in an environment where every bond in the industrialized world is negative, the United States positive interest rates and positive cap rates are here to provide that yield. And this is a crazy, crazy moment. I want to talk about interest rates in a second, but like that tsunami, that visualization of that tsunami, I think is creating a situation where it's like, are you going to surf that tsunami?   Or are you going to sit back and watch that crash and watch equity prices rise without participating?   Yeah. Yeah. So how did the other things kind of layer onto that? I mean, we're not just hearing about the, you know, the inverted yield curve, but also, you know, the interest rates that the feds are hiking up and inflation is through the roof that everybody's feeling the effects of that. I mean, how do all these different factors, you know, what are they resulting? What is the result or, know, what is your prediction of the results?   Hunter Thompson (21:39.278) So first of all, I'm glad you asked this because I'm working on a summit right now where we're having 22 experts in different niches talk about their perspective on this exact topic. And so I'm in the middle of these sessions and like they have been crazy. So if you want to get access to that, it's a free summit, by the way, you can go to 100ktoinvest.com and it's for people that have a hundred thousand dollars to invest. you you want to look at different niches through this economic lens. So someone I just interviewed on my show, Dr. Peter Lindemann talks about this and   very well-known economist. Basically these rising interest rates, dude, this is serious. I mean, this is not some like economic indicator. This is actually happening right now. I know a $40 million deal that just got blown up because the bank basically underwriting changes if the interest rate increases by a hundred basis points, that's significant. But we got to put this in context. So when interest rates rise,   typically it's because of concerns around inflation. And that's the case for now as well. And inflation is typically thought of, or I think I should say, real estate is typically thought of as a hedge against inflation. I mean, you've probably said that a million times, I have too, but I think out of this conversation, you maybe will both start phrasing it slightly differently. It is true that it is a hedge against inflation, but I think that doesn't even come close to stating.   how favorable inflation is for real estate owners. Because when we think about real estate being a hedge against inflation, I think it's like this. We think about the equity prices, the prices of real estate rise proportionally as inflation takes place with is true. But there's something else that's taking place, which is there's a distinction between equity prices and consumer prices. So when consumer prices rise, you have inflation working its way through the monetary system and the consumers feel it.   from top to bottom, right? But in real estate, we trade the assets on a multiple of net income. So I know you bought some multifamily apartments. have I. Most deals look something like this. We're buying from an owner that doesn't know what they're doing for some degree or another. We're going to buy the property, raise rents, cut expenses. We'll probably raise rents by 15 % year one, maybe 8 % year two. And then from that year going forward, we're probably going to track along with inflation. Does that make sense?   Hunter Thompson (24:02.572) Yeah. If you're being conservative. Yeah. So I would expect rents after the business plan is implemented to simply track along with inflation to be conservative. And then expenses will also track along with inflation. Now, most people, when they hear that, they think, it's a wash. You know, the top line is increasing by 5%. The expenses are increasing by 5 % and no one's really going to benefit. But that would only be the case if it was a one-to-one ratio of gross to expenses.   Absolutely.   Hunter Thompson (24:31.98) or net to expenses and it's not. Like most of the assets you and I look at, we're talking about 45 % operating expense ratio and self storage, for example, you can see 35 or even 30 % operating expense ratio. So it's disproportionately impacting the top line compared to the bottom line, because the bottom, the expenses are so much smaller. So the net is actually increasing significantly every year you have five, six, seven, eight,   percent inflation. And I'm sure you've seen a lot of people that say it's really 15. That's even better for owners because the net isn't going to increase, increase and increase. There's one other piece of this inflation discussion that I want to talk about, but it's a little bit confusing. Are you, did I explain that in a way that's clear?   No, that was perfect. Very clear. Complicated subject, very clear.   Okay, good. So it's not just a hedge, right? The hedge is like, sure, the asset values excluding this discussion around NOI. That's the first part. The second part is the NOI situation is very favorable for investors. The third piece though is like this almost no one's talking about this. And I think it's probably the most powerful and conceptually it is the most powerful, which is if I go to buy a $15 million piece of property, I put $5 million down.   I borrowed $10 million. The bank is now on the losing end of basically compounding interest because of inflation. If I borrow $10 million in today's purchase power, by 10 years, if inflation continues at 8 % per year, by 10 years, the purchase power of that $10 million has been cut in half by inflation, meaning the purchase power of the dollars, I will pay them in 10 years,   Hunter Thompson (26:18.104) Half is valuable to me. And it's the same dollar amount that I ended up paying them, but the purchase power has now been cut in half. So what this means is that while there is so much chatter about interest rates rising, the reality is they're net negative in real terms. The bank is paying you to borrow their money, to buy an asset, which value will increase and also in a while will increase and also likely the multiple on which that in a while is.   rated will increase. This is why this is a back the truck moment for these real estate owners. And, you know, that's what we're doing right now. Yeah.   So based on that, do you think when you're looking at different asset classes, the more disproportionate the income is to the expenses, maybe the more favorable that investment looks like nowadays?   Really good question. Um, I do think there's some merit to that, but I gotta say a caveat. So we have some self store, excuse me, some, assisted living properties and those actually are like 70 % operating at expense ratios. So you can hear this and say, Oh, those maybe we're going to get hammered. Senior living is dealing with some challenges because of COVID, but the top line is not increasing at inflation. The top line is increasing at like 10, 15 % nationally. So.   I don't know exactly what's going on, but there's obviously there's more to this conversation than just the inflation discussion, but it isn't the case that we're losing money because of this. It's a challenge because of like move in certain States are still locked down. There's challenges, all that whole thing, but the demographics and everything I think make up for that. But to your point, I think your argument can be made all things being equal. Meaning I think that let's say class A apartments start to make a lot of sense. Self storage start to make a lot of sense.   Hunter Thompson (28:07.234) You can make the argument that new development could even make sense. So that's not something I do and have ever done, but you can start to make that argument for sure.   Yeah. So maybe give us a preview. I don't want to give away the whole thing. I know you've got the a hundred K to invest summit coming up, but what are some of those investments that start making sense in this environment? We've kind of touched on it a little bit, but maybe make it a little bit more clear.   my gosh. I'm so okay. So I'm such a nerd. So I'm like literally nerding out, but let me give you a couple of examples. So we have like a big broad view of things that we're going to talk about because there's a lot of things that I invest in. There's a lot of things that I don't invest in, but generally speaking, when it comes to wealth creation, the summit's broken down into three days, protect, grow and multiply. And like in that order. So protect is like downside protection, focused real estate, know, stabilize multifamily apartments.   sell storage assets, things like that. Then in grow, we're gonna talk about, know, development, maybe something with like real estate and blockchain, you know, the tokenization of real estate, for example. Then in multiply, we're gonna talk about Bitcoin mining. We're gonna talk about Dow funds. We're gonna talk about buying existing businesses. One of our clients owns the company acquisitions.com. And he's gonna come and talk about like buying businesses that are cash flowing. I try to put them on the spot and be like, what sector is your favorite sector right now? He's like,   He's like French Canadian. He's like, I don't really care about the sector. He's like my friend that just bought the company is a billionaire. did yogurt. So I don't want to say that yogurt is the best sector. He's like, he's going big on yogurt, dude. so anyway, it's going to be a cool summit.   Seth Bradley (29:43.284) That's awesome. Yeah. It sounds like it's going to be like really diverse, right? It's not just, okay, a multifamily summit. You're kind of going to give this broad swath of lots of different ways to invest in different risk profiles as well.   Totally. That's what's cool. Okay. So this is what you and I like kind of have in common. Like we can actually be open and honest about our views because of the position that we play. And this is why I don't think I've ever seen a summit quite like it because it wouldn't be good for business if all you did was multifamily and you go, Hey, go invest in Bitcoin mining. So, but you know, we're just trying to do the right thing for the past investors. Like I said, hundred K to invest.com.   Yeah. I love the concept, man. Cause a lot of people are thinking that they're like, okay, well I've got, I've got a hundred K to invest. Like what is the best place to put it? And especially with all these different crazy factors that are going right now, going on right now, that's, that's awesome. Very timely. All right, man. Before we jump into the freedom for let's jump on to one last golden nugget for our listeners. got one.   Yeah. Just go spitball. Cause I have got a bajillion. Okay. didn't know you did the freedom for that. So crazy. do a freedom Friday thing. We're on the same page in so many ways, dude. That's awesome. So, here's a golden nugget for sure. you know, speed beats pretty much everything. So what this means is that, the difference between like college sports and professional sports, basically that everyone's faster. In fact, you can be smaller, but if you're way faster, you can still move up through the ranks from high school to college to professional.   Spitball man.   Hunter Thompson (31:08.832) And the same is true of business. Now, some people might hear that and go, like you're rushing through due diligence. No, it means rush to conduct due diligence, rush to start. But it doesn't mean go quickly and rush through it and do it sloppily. It means get to it. And one of the best ways that I've found to get to it is to find mentors, is to find guides and not try to figure it out on your own. know, of cool things that I've done, you mentioned some.   cool things I've done in this industry. It's awesome, but dude, I didn't make any of this stuff up. That's not my lane. I want to find someone that has done exactly what I want to do. And I want to model it as closely as possible. And by the way, when you do this, you'll find a place where you feel like your gut wants to go right. And they went left. And sometimes you can feel like, okay, now I got to go on my own. I'll you a perfect example. You mentioned Jeremy Rohl. He's a passive investor, right? And there was a moment where I was thinking my skills are not   completely used. Like I've got this excitement about like building websites and marketing and email content, which Jeremy doesn't do, you know? And I'm like, I need to find someone that's done that. I looked left, found someone that went that direction and then model, model, model, model. And I'm sure there's going to be a moment where I have to do the same thing and model, model, model. So I'm never going like, Hmm, how can I use my raw intelligence to figure this out? By the way, if I had done that, you know, I still would have been like struggling to get C's in college. You know what I mean? So like it's all because of just finding good mentors.   Yeah, absolutely. It's a way to accelerate your growth. A lot of people, they'll look and say, look, I don't want to buy this course or this mentor or this coach because it's expensive and it might be expensive, but think about like what people pay for their undergraduate degree or their law degree. I mean, it's ridiculous. And it's a fraction of that.   That's exactly right. probably shouldn't made a joke about making season college, given your audience, but, you know, here's what I can say about your audience in particular. Everybody kind of values things differently. And it's like your audience has a high demand for time. Cause it's what they lack. When I started my career, I had all the time in the world. Nobody cared about anything. I couldn't get my calendar to get filled up, but all of sudden after years of working the skills that I have developed now, the sense is very difficult for me to get 15 minutes.   Hunter Thompson (33:24.342) So when I think about how can I expedite whatever this is, my need for money is low. My need for time is high. So it's like, if I can pay to expedite whatever it is, trust me, you tell me it's $5,000 to get 30, okay, done. I'll get the result in 30 minutes. Boom, here's the five grand. so, but that's a balance, right? So there's a lot of people listening to this right now that are kind of going down this path and perhaps they have a lot of time. So then what the opportunity is, is that's your leverage point.   Find someone that has a high demand for time, low demand for money, and you can exchange.   Yeah, definitely. Most of our listeners definitely don't have time. mean, I'll be like, Hey, make sure you get a workout in or meditate in the morning. Like I don't have 15 minutes. don't have an hour. Billing, Billing 3000 hours a year. It's ridiculous, man. I've been in that world and it's, it's tough to carve out some time. So that's why I passed investing is really the way to go. mean, I did the fix and flips and, and did all that kind of stuff to start out with. And it's just, it's not a good business model for.   So tough.   Seth Bradley (34:23.15) You know, an attorney at a big law firm or a doctor that's running their own practice. It's just really difficult to balance those things. All right, man, let's jump into the freedom for let's go.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (34:33.454) It's time for the Freedom Form.   What's the best thing you do to keep your mind and body healthy?   you already know. you know, I'm constantly working on, like kind of like athletic inspired things. have a gym. It's probably the most baller thing ever. I'm not like the typical flashy person, but I do have a home gym is pretty dope. and so right now when I'm working on is a 1,000 pound total for the three powerlifting lifts, the squat bench and deadlift. I'm not there yet, but I'll check in maybe in three months and I'll probably be there.   Woo, sounds good, man. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   dude. Okay, I'm not gonna do like a 30 minute thing on this one, but you know, I think a lot of people...   Hunter Thompson (35:21.432) get the impression that the higher you go up in the success ladder, the more it's about tactics and strategies and nothing can be further from the truth.   Hunter Thompson (35:35.326) I've paid $50,000 to be in a room with some very successful people. And the reason that room is so exciting is because you start to realize that there is no ceiling. It's a mental thing. It is not the tactics and the strategies that I wanted to learn. I wanted to know what they move like, how they think. And that's a lot of money to pay. But the higher you go up in that ladder,   The smaller, the little tweaks, the, that realization that, I should do that. I can do that. That stuff. It's crazy. Right. Because when you start, you're like, there's a certain point, like at different layers, again, there's a certain point where you go, I'm sick of hearing about this mindset stuff. get it. I just want results. But then you realize later, that's all that's holding me back. So like, that's my thought.   Yeah, it's a lot of money, but at the same time, that's something that sticks with you forever. Once you get over that, not that mindset hurdle, it's with you forever. What's one actual step our listeners can do right now to start creating more freedom.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (36:40.28) So funny that you have these dude, this is so cool. I've like, respect this so much, cause it's what it's all about. One strategy they can implement. I would say leveraging technology to save time. First eliminating a lot of tasks that you don't need to be doing, but leveraging technology as opposed to people, especially you. And then as you first eliminate, then automate and then delegate. So.   Everyone on here, and this is going to hurt a lot of people, but every single person listening to this right now should have a VA or an assistant of some kind. Like if you're making six figures, it's absolutely inexcusable to not have someone doing some of the tasks that you shouldn't be doing. If you Google the term unique ability by strategic coach and Dan Sullivan, it'll give you some insight in terms of my views on a lot of that stuff.   Perfect. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to let go, but you got to do it. That's right. Last but not least, how has passive income made your life better?   dude, that pro come on. mean that these are great questions. Okay. I mean it is my whole life. It has made my whole life, but just real quick, a story about this. So a lot of people listening to this show, when you get started in this path, the main goal is to have your passive income exceed your expenses. And that's was my goal when I got into this business as well, until I was at a conference and someone at the back of the stage, back of the room said that they had a cool announcement.   because they had accomplished their number one financial role. And they come up there and of course I assume he's going to say that. And he goes, so I achieved my number one financial goal was that my passive income is now 10 times my expenses. I was like, what? Like mind blown situation. Like I didn't even know that was possible. I didn't know that's legal. Like, what are you talking about? I never heard anyone say a multiple of that. Like, you know, he's probably.   Hunter Thompson (38:27.402) Super frugal guy, by the way, $10,000 a month in expenses, $100,000 a month in passive income tax deferred dude. So that's possible in this game. you keep going.   Love it, man. All right, Hunter, this has been awesome, man. We're going to find out more about you.   Yeah. One thing, 100k to invest.com. That's it. You guys are awesome. Thanks.   That's it. Go check it out. Thanks again, Hunter. Hunter Thompson, ladies and gentlemen, you can see why I like him so much because well, there's a lot of the same ideas that I have. have the same political views. We have a lot in common and well, he's just a lot like me and who doesn't like someone that's like them, right? So anyways, major key, they say the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago and the second best time is now and   The same thing goes for investing. There's no better time for you to take action than right now. There are always opportunities in every part of the cycle. You just have to get educated and make the right moves. All right. If you're ready for a change and ready to take action, partner with us on our next passive real estate deal, which is live right now. Go to passiveincomeattorney.com and join our Esquire passive investor club. All right, kiddos, enjoy the journey.   Hunter Thompson (39:43.544) Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. And we'll see you on the next episode.   Links from the Show and Guest Info and Links: Seth Bradley's Links: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq?lang=en   Hunter Thompson's Links: https://www.instagram.com/hunterlthompsonofficial/ https://www.threads.com/@hunterlthompsonofficial https://www.facebook.com/hunterlthompsonofficial https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunterlthompsonofficial/ https://www.youtube.com/@hunterlthompsonofficial https://raisingcapital.com/hunterthompson  

Title: Capital Raising is the New Superpower: How to Win in Any Economy with Hunter Thompson Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley engages with Hunter Thompson, a prominent figure in the world of passive income investing. They discuss the current economic landscape, including rising interest rates, inflation, and the inverted yield curve, and how these factors impact real estate investments. Hunter shares his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the importance of diversification and capital raising in passive investing. The conversation also touches on strategies for navigating the current market and the significance of education and mentorship in achieving financial freedom. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9QZ1WTVLUE Bullet Point Highlights: Passive income allows you to practice when you want, not because you have to. Rising interest rates and inflation are significant factors in real estate investing. Diversification is key to mitigating risks in real estate investments. Capital raising can be a hybrid approach to passive investing. Understanding economic indicators can help predict market trends. Real estate is a hedge against inflation, benefiting from rising rents. Investors should focus on net operating income (NOI) when evaluating properties. Education and mentorship are crucial for success in investing. Speed in decision-making can lead to better investment opportunities. Having a virtual assistant can help manage time effectively.  Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.42) What's going on law nation. Welcome to the passive income attorney podcast, the best place for learning about the world of alternative passive investing so that you can practice when you want to and not because you have to. So if you're ready to kick that billable hour to the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com to download the freedom blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate investments and   We have a live deal right now. It's a 506 C opportunity for accredited investors only with a target preferred return of 15%. Yes, 15%. You heard that right. So jump on that. If you have a chance today, let's talk about when and what to invest in. There's been a lot of chatter about waiting for the right time to jump in over the last, I don't know. I'd say five years or so.   because everyone has their own prediction on when the next 2008 might happen. But well, other than the blip caused by the recent global pandemic, we haven't seen that natural correction yet. And who really knows when that will be? Nobody does. But what we have seen are very strong influences that could impact the real estate market in the very near future. And you know what I'm talking about?   I'm talking about rising interest rates. I'm talking about a highly inflationary environment that we're all feeling combined with, you know, an under supply that's creating a high demand and skyrocketing prices. So with all these different factors culminating right now, what does it all mean? What can we predict after factoring in all these things? Well, you're about to find out.   In this episode, one of my favorite investing personalities, Hunter Thompson shares his expert insights into this economic melting pot that's happening right now and how you can capitalize on it before you get left behind. Hunter is the founder of ACM Capital and who has acquired over $150 million of mobile home parks, self-storage retail office, ATM machines and cryptocurrency assets.   Seth Bradley (02:29.868) Hunter is also the host of the cashflow connections, real estate podcast, which has received over 1 million downloads. He's also wrote raising capital for real estate, which hit number one on Amazon in real estate sales and selling really stoked for this guys. Let's go.   This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of to make Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's Seth Bradley.   the ultra.   Seth Bradley (02:57.475) y'all   Seth Bradley (03:09.518) Here's your host.   Hunter Thompson, what's going on? Rather welcome to the show.   Hey, thanks a lot. Our honor to on.   Absolutely, man. You're someone I personally look up to a lot and holding high regard in this industry. So super stoked to have you on the show today, man. Thanks again. Absolutely, man. So look, you've been on a ton of podcasts and you know, you're the host of your own successful show, cashflow connections. So I got to ask who's the real Hunter Thompson.   and mutual.   Hunter Thompson (03:38.894) So, I mean, you know, someone asked me like, if I had to say one word that identify it's entrepreneur man. And I think everyone listens to that. That's probably that speaks to them because anybody listened to the show, they take an entrepreneurial approach to reality and to their lives. Like we were not born passive real estate investors, right? In fact, we had to find this stuff out on our own to a large degree. And   A lot of us were kind of taught a lot of myths about investing, you know, save only invest in the stock market. For some reason, dividends can pay off your expenses at some points. Like you have to have a $40 million net worth to do that, you know? And so that feeling of like, man, I may have been lied to about some of the most important things in life kind of inspired me to go down a cool path and, you know, break some rules along the way, but here we are.   Nice. I love it, man. So dive in a little bit deeper. Tell us a little bit about your background and your story, and then we'll jump into it.   Sure, so I think for a lot of people when they talk about real estate and like their history in the space, 2008 is gonna come up. And that's the same for me. But I was very insulated from that risk. So was in college during 2008, but I saw what took place and I had a background as an entrepreneur and a poker player. And so I wasn't really like investing in the stock market, but when 2008 happened, saw flood was in the streets and I heard the quotes from the billionaires that said, that's when you should be buying.   And so I basically went all in on education. I was obsessed with CNBC. Jim Kramer was like the biggest fan of his, just reading everything from Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, all those guys and started to follow financial markets, even dabbled in day trading a bit. And then something happened, started to have success as anybody that did that started in 2008, by the way. But it wasn't really until 2010 that something happened that like completely shifted my perspective.   Hunter Thompson (05:33.194) on everything I had learned up until that point. And people don't talk a lot about 2010, but for me, that was the big moment because after all of this research about quote diversification and hey, you got to get Apple and Johnson and Johnson and also some cash and maybe some gold and these types of things out of nowhere, the European debt crisis happened and it created massive challenges with volatility in the US markets.   And all of sudden everyone was focusing on some obscure economic data point, which was the Greece bond yields and the German bond yields. And it was like, Hey man, all this research I had done never suggested that something as ridiculous and obscure. I'm talking to every single person on CNBC was watching the   German bond yields. And the quote at the time was, if it goes above 7%, the S &P 500 is going to dive. And they were correct. And every day it would go above 7%, below 7%, and the S &P would go up and down and five, like over and over again. And I was like, I've got to find a way that a small firm or myself can conduct due diligence on an asset class that is, the performance is directly tied to supply and demand, not the German bond yields.   And so I was actually not really interested in real estate specifically. I just ended up doing a lot of research on everything that was out there and found real estate was extremely predictable in terms of wealth creation and had the opportunity to create some asymmetric returns. So that's what led us to this conversation today.   Yeah, yeah. So I know your story pretty well. So fill the audience in a little bit, but I know that Jeremy Roll, who's been a guest on our show before, is a mentor of yours and one of the first people kind of got you into the space or got you interested in the space. And he's well known for taking a fully passive approach, right? He's one of these guys that's just fully passive. That's kind of his thing. How have you kind of adapted that approach and made it your own?   Hunter Thompson (07:29.038) So yeah, you're right. going back to like 2010, I moved to California, which is one of the most decimated States in the country in terms of the recession, right? And so that's where I started my real estate career. And so I would go into the networking events, sometimes four or five a week. And it was honestly like going to, mean, it was somber to say the least. People had lost their shirts, people that created $10 million of wealth. If they were all invested in California, some of them are wiped out.   And I found that there was a couple of strategies that really struggled and there's a couple of strategies that didn't struggle. And, you know, some people don't talk about this, the default rate for multifamily apartments, 150 units or more like Fannie Fannie financed 1.5 % during 2008.   I mean, it's just, that's the reality of quality assets with a lot of checks. If you got a lot of checks and they keep coming in because rental income is not really volatile, you just didn't have that big of a problem. So I was very sympathetic to finding out how to do this. And the first person that really introduced to me to this was like you said, Jeremy Roll. And the thesis was this.   I'm very, I want to be focused on diversification. I don't want to be hyper allocated to one particular niche, but if you study economics, you know that in order to have a market advantage, you must be focused on doing one thing better than everyone else. But that is not conducive to building a portfolio that is diversified. Like you probably have interviewed a lot of like, let's say self storage.   Operator that's like all in on cell storage and Florida's the market and everybody knows the demographics are super favorable. got their whole $30 million net worth all in the East coast of Florida. And it's insane. All the baby boomers are moving there. It's amazing. And then once a year when it's hurricane season, they can't sleep for months because they got $30 million on the East coast of Florida. And it's like, man, the East coast of Florida is awesome, but maybe I should have a little bit in Georgia. Maybe I should have a little bit in senior living in Wyoming. You know what I mean? So.   Hunter Thompson (09:33.698) That's the only way to accomplish that from my perspective is to have a diversified passive approach. And I do know Jeremy very well, he doesn't just go to Mexico and drink Mai Tais. I mean, he works 50, 60 hours a week trying to allocate his portfolio appropriately. And I do a similar kind of thing with my portfolio and also have an active side of the business as well, which is where I raise capital for other people's deals.   Yeah. That's the beautiful part about passive investing is you can diversify across different asset classes, different geographies with different sponsors, all that sort of thing so that you can diversify within the realm of real estate or business or whatever it might be. Rather than if you are an active sponsor, you're operating those properties. That market advantage is knowing the market, knowing the market being boots on the ground and knowing all those intricacies rather than, but you know, if you're that person, it's very difficult to diversify.   Perhaps you can pass it invest in somebody else's deals. But again, you're, jumping into the passive investing space. Yeah. So you're very well known as, know, a great capital raiser. Do you consider that a passive approach or is that an active approach?   That's exactly right.   Hunter Thompson (10:44.142) Well, it's a hybrid, right? Because what I do is I still find and aggregate active owner operators in their respective niches. It's just that because I have a little bit of expertise in this and a due diligence process and some economies of scale, because we've invested very significantly over the years and because we have hundreds of investors and thousands of people on our list or tens of thousands on our list, we can do the level of due diligence that most passive investors can't.   even if they knew exactly what to do, it's not economically viable. So I'll you an example. There's a lot of passive investors that listen to the show. And I'm sure that if you had the time and infinite resources, you would want to go visit these properties in person on every single deal. Spend probably a hundred hours on due diligence on each deal. know, not only talk to the sponsors themselves, but their CPAs, their contractors, their property managers. You want to review their software. You want to run criminal checks, background checks.   If you had infinite time and resources, you'd probably do all that stuff. But if you do all that and you're investing 50 grand, your return profile is gonna be deteriorated by that due diligence process. And so I feel like there's need in the space for that extra layer of due diligence, but it's not economically viable unless you're pulling capital together, aggregating investors. And so that's why I founded Asim Capital to do that exact thing. We provide that service and...   usually investors aren't really paying anything out of pocket. We get our economics from the sponsor because we can show up with, hey, $5 million in 30 days, $10 million in 60 days, these types of things. And that's a great skill to have in the business of real estate.   Yeah. And you just laid that out perfectly. You know, why some people ask, why don't you just go straight to the operator to invest in rather than someone who might be mainly a capital raiser or an aggregator of capital. And you just laid that out perfectly. It's, you know, that's an extra layer of due diligence, time, effort, money that you as the passive investor don't have to do. And if you do do it, it just stops making sense. I mean, there's only so much you can do. Even if you take something simple.   Seth Bradley (12:51.022) It's certainly not simple, but something like, you know, looking at a sponsor's underwriting model, there are so many things to look into that and you won't be able to pick that apart. I mean, you just won't from the past investors per second. Even if I go grab somebody sponsors, some sponsors underwriting model and look at it, I don't know what equations they've changed. I'm not going to check a thousand different equations. But what we do bring value wise is that we know these sponsors. It's a really small industry when you get to know everyone in it.   And we know their reputations. know how their deals have gone. We know how they treat their past investors. So that's just an extra level of due diligence that the past investors at the retail level might not be able to do. least not.   Exactly right. That's exactly right. And something else, think that I obviously I've mentioned economics a couple of times in the show. Like this is the lens through which I view the space. And if you are an owner operator, you want to kind of play lip service to economics. So the reality is you've got your head down because you can't adjust your business accordingly. Like if you're a retail owner operator and then retail centers get   closed in 2020 and you cannot go to retail. You can't just go, all right, we're doing hotels now. You can't, I mean, you've built up a business around that, but as a passive investor, you can be nimble and aggregate capital and allocate capital based on your view through the lens of economics or otherwise.   Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you're not going to if you're a retail operator, you're not going to say in tanks, you're not going to be like, OK, well, retail sucks now. Don't don't invest with me. Forget about it. Exactly. That's the more else you've got to come up with reasons why to invest in. It might not be the best for those investors.   Hunter Thompson (14:29.516) That's exactly right. That's exactly right.   So a lot of our listeners are attorneys, they're doctors, they're W-2s. Is raising capital something they should be interested in getting into? Should they take that next step?   depends. So, I mean, we do a webinar about raising money. And the first thing we say is like, Hey, look, this is like the third slide in the presentation. And I say like, are you actually ready for this responsibility? If not, should leave now because you know, what we talk about is turning on the faucet, turning on that thing. It's like the X factor of every business. And I don't want you to 10 X. I don't know what I'm doing. You know, so it's, take the responsibility very, very seriously. And,   If you haven't done a deal, for example, you shouldn't raise money for a deal. What you should do is go all in on education. And I know you've done just a tremendous job kind of educating your base, but you can go all in. I'll put this, this is like a really powerful way to put this. So in 2010, when I started going to real estate meetings, everyone was saying like, honor, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. I've been in this business for 30 years and never seen anything like it. This is the back the truck up moment. And I was like,   back what truck up? Like, don't know what I'm doing. Like, I don't know what a cap rate is. You know what I mean? But here's the crazy thing. They were absolutely correct. The market dynamics was so favorable that it was probably more favorable than any time in history, especially when it comes to commercial real estate. But four years later, I had developed more confidence, more knowledge, more network that the deals I solved then were better than the deals I saw in 2010. And that is why this game is amazing.   Hunter Thompson (16:05.794) because if you can expand your network and knowledge and confidence faster than even the most pronounced recovery in the history of real estate. And so all those people that if you ever hear someone saying like, now's the opportunity of a lifetime, go all in, like maybe they're right, but it might not be the right time for you. So just take your time, stay away from people that are pushy. The reason this game works is that it works all the time. So you never miss the opportunity of a lifetime. That's the whole point.   Love it, man. Yeah. So they already have the network, right? If you're an attorney or doctor, you probably know other attorneys and doctors. So at least you have that network established of high net worth individuals that you might be able to aggregate some capital with. But you're right. I mean, the education piece is imperative and everybody goes through that learning curve and it takes some time. And there's a lot of responsibilities to come with raising capital and investing in real estate in general. So you've got to make sure that you get that education piece nailed down.   Totally. Actually, do you mind if I, so like something that's been just like on my mind recently is, and so many past investors need to understand is that there's been a lot of discussion around the yield curve inversion and all of that. Do you mind if I talk about that? I'm sure that the lot of listeners are going to be interested. Okay. So recently, you know, there's been a lot of discussion around economic indicators and recessions and such, and what that may mean for us as investors and   Absolutely, let's jump into it.   Hunter Thompson (17:30.328) Part of this is because of the inverted yield curve. And I'll break what that down means just really quickly. So typically speaking, bond yields slope up into the right. If you think of the X axis as time and the Y axis as the yield, you would think that the yields would slope up into the right because the longer the time, the more time risk you're incurring, the higher the return you would want on your bond. So that's typical.   But every now and then there's this economic phenomenon that takes place where short-term bonds can produce higher yields than long-term bonds because people are concerned about short-term risk. And so bonds, the long-term bonds, people flood into the long-term bonds, which reduces the yields and also increase the yields of the short-term bonds. And so this unique phenomenon takes place. And historically speaking, this has been a very good predictor of recessions, typically 18 to 22 months after the inversion.   of the two year and the 10 year bonds. Does that make sense before I go forward? Yeah. Okay. So I think that this is a good indicator of recessions, generally speaking, but I am very bullish about the current environment and I can give you some data as to why, but most importantly, 2008 is a really significant aberration. Recessions do not typically trigger   significant pullbacks in real estate. mean, a 10 % pullback in real estate, especially commercial real estate or multifamily apartments in particular, that is pretty a historic. mean, it takes, you got to look back decades to find these types of examples. And I just want investors to understand that. But we saw something in 2008 that this was confirmed in 2020. That is just a holy crap type of moment, even in the face of that potentially challenging information.   which is in 2008, for the first time to this scale, the federal government, know, printed trillions of dollars. And this was basically the Pandora's box, which was open in terms of quantitative easing. And I believe it set the precedent that anytime something catastrophic or borderline catastrophic or could be catastrophic, could happen, they're gonna smash that button. And I've been talking about this for a decade and then 2020 happens.   Hunter Thompson (19:51.252) And boy, were we right. And they smashed the trillion dollar button harder than they've ever smashed it before. The United States government printed about a $6 trillion. Federal governments all around the world, the central banks printed another $4 trillion. So there's 10 trillion extra dollars in the system slushing around the financial sector searching for yield. And I believe   that what's going to happen is that yield, that search is gonna go into the bond markets first, because it's the only place you can place trillions of dollars quickly. And then it's gonna work its way to United States real estate, which I think still is the most favorable risk adjusted investment in the world. And I'm not the only one that thinks that. So imagine this trillion dollar tsunami set to crash on a very limited amount of supply in the United States.   in the wake of enduring an affordable housing crisis in an environment where every bond in the industrialized world is negative, the United States positive interest rates and positive cap rates are here to provide that yield. And this is a crazy, crazy moment. I want to talk about interest rates in a second, but like that tsunami, that visualization of that tsunami, I think is creating a situation where it's like, are you going to surf that tsunami?   Or are you going to sit back and watch that crash and watch equity prices rise without participating?   Yeah. Yeah. So how did the other things kind of layer onto that? I mean, we're not just hearing about the, you know, the inverted yield curve, but also, you know, the interest rates that the feds are hiking up and inflation is through the roof that everybody's feeling the effects of that. I mean, how do all these different factors, you know, what are they resulting? What is the result or, know, what is your prediction of the results?   Hunter Thompson (21:39.278) So first of all, I'm glad you asked this because I'm working on a summit right now where we're having 22 experts in different niches talk about their perspective on this exact topic. And so I'm in the middle of these sessions and like they have been crazy. So if you want to get access to that, it's a free summit, by the way, you can go to 100ktoinvest.com and it's for people that have a hundred thousand dollars to invest. you you want to look at different niches through this economic lens. So someone I just interviewed on my show, Dr. Peter Lindemann talks about this and   very well-known economist. Basically these rising interest rates, dude, this is serious. I mean, this is not some like economic indicator. This is actually happening right now. I know a $40 million deal that just got blown up because the bank basically underwriting changes if the interest rate increases by a hundred basis points, that's significant. But we got to put this in context. So when interest rates rise,   typically it's because of concerns around inflation. And that's the case for now as well. And inflation is typically thought of, or I think I should say, real estate is typically thought of as a hedge against inflation. I mean, you've probably said that a million times, I have too, but I think out of this conversation, you maybe will both start phrasing it slightly differently. It is true that it is a hedge against inflation, but I think that doesn't even come close to stating.   how favorable inflation is for real estate owners. Because when we think about real estate being a hedge against inflation, I think it's like this. We think about the equity prices, the prices of real estate rise proportionally as inflation takes place with is true. But there's something else that's taking place, which is there's a distinction between equity prices and consumer prices. So when consumer prices rise, you have inflation working its way through the monetary system and the consumers feel it.   from top to bottom, right? But in real estate, we trade the assets on a multiple of net income. So I know you bought some multifamily apartments. have I. Most deals look something like this. We're buying from an owner that doesn't know what they're doing for some degree or another. We're going to buy the property, raise rents, cut expenses. We'll probably raise rents by 15 % year one, maybe 8 % year two. And then from that year going forward, we're probably going to track along with inflation. Does that make sense?   Hunter Thompson (24:02.572) Yeah. If you're being conservative. Yeah. So I would expect rents after the business plan is implemented to simply track along with inflation to be conservative. And then expenses will also track along with inflation. Now, most people, when they hear that, they think, it's a wash. You know, the top line is increasing by 5%. The expenses are increasing by 5 % and no one's really going to benefit. But that would only be the case if it was a one-to-one ratio of gross to expenses.   Absolutely.   Hunter Thompson (24:31.98) or net to expenses and it's not. Like most of the assets you and I look at, we're talking about 45 % operating expense ratio and self storage, for example, you can see 35 or even 30 % operating expense ratio. So it's disproportionately impacting the top line compared to the bottom line, because the bottom, the expenses are so much smaller. So the net is actually increasing significantly every year you have five, six, seven, eight,   percent inflation. And I'm sure you've seen a lot of people that say it's really 15. That's even better for owners because the net isn't going to increase, increase and increase. There's one other piece of this inflation discussion that I want to talk about, but it's a little bit confusing. Are you, did I explain that in a way that's clear?   No, that was perfect. Very clear. Complicated subject, very clear.   Okay, good. So it's not just a hedge, right? The hedge is like, sure, the asset values excluding this discussion around NOI. That's the first part. The second part is the NOI situation is very favorable for investors. The third piece though is like this almost no one's talking about this. And I think it's probably the most powerful and conceptually it is the most powerful, which is if I go to buy a $15 million piece of property, I put $5 million down.   I borrowed $10 million. The bank is now on the losing end of basically compounding interest because of inflation. If I borrow $10 million in today's purchase power, by 10 years, if inflation continues at 8 % per year, by 10 years, the purchase power of that $10 million has been cut in half by inflation, meaning the purchase power of the dollars, I will pay them in 10 years,   Hunter Thompson (26:18.104) Half is valuable to me. And it's the same dollar amount that I ended up paying them, but the purchase power has now been cut in half. So what this means is that while there is so much chatter about interest rates rising, the reality is they're net negative in real terms. The bank is paying you to borrow their money, to buy an asset, which value will increase and also in a while will increase and also likely the multiple on which that in a while is.   rated will increase. This is why this is a back the truck moment for these real estate owners. And, you know, that's what we're doing right now. Yeah.   So based on that, do you think when you're looking at different asset classes, the more disproportionate the income is to the expenses, maybe the more favorable that investment looks like nowadays?   Really good question. Um, I do think there's some merit to that, but I gotta say a caveat. So we have some self store, excuse me, some, assisted living properties and those actually are like 70 % operating at expense ratios. So you can hear this and say, Oh, those maybe we're going to get hammered. Senior living is dealing with some challenges because of COVID, but the top line is not increasing at inflation. The top line is increasing at like 10, 15 % nationally. So.   I don't know exactly what's going on, but there's obviously there's more to this conversation than just the inflation discussion, but it isn't the case that we're losing money because of this. It's a challenge because of like move in certain States are still locked down. There's challenges, all that whole thing, but the demographics and everything I think make up for that. But to your point, I think your argument can be made all things being equal. Meaning I think that let's say class A apartments start to make a lot of sense. Self storage start to make a lot of sense.   Hunter Thompson (28:07.234) You can make the argument that new development could even make sense. So that's not something I do and have ever done, but you can start to make that argument for sure.   Yeah. So maybe give us a preview. I don't want to give away the whole thing. I know you've got the a hundred K to invest summit coming up, but what are some of those investments that start making sense in this environment? We've kind of touched on it a little bit, but maybe make it a little bit more clear.   my gosh. I'm so okay. So I'm such a nerd. So I'm like literally nerding out, but let me give you a couple of examples. So we have like a big broad view of things that we're going to talk about because there's a lot of things that I invest in. There's a lot of things that I don't invest in, but generally speaking, when it comes to wealth creation, the summit's broken down into three days, protect, grow and multiply. And like in that order. So protect is like downside protection, focused real estate, know, stabilize multifamily apartments.   sell storage assets, things like that. Then in grow, we're gonna talk about, know, development, maybe something with like real estate and blockchain, you know, the tokenization of real estate, for example. Then in multiply, we're gonna talk about Bitcoin mining. We're gonna talk about Dow funds. We're gonna talk about buying existing businesses. One of our clients owns the company acquisitions.com. And he's gonna come and talk about like buying businesses that are cash flowing. I try to put them on the spot and be like, what sector is your favorite sector right now? He's like,   He's like French Canadian. He's like, I don't really care about the sector. He's like my friend that just bought the company is a billionaire. did yogurt. So I don't want to say that yogurt is the best sector. He's like, he's going big on yogurt, dude. so anyway, it's going to be a cool summit.   Seth Bradley (29:43.284) That's awesome. Yeah. It sounds like it's going to be like really diverse, right? It's not just, okay, a multifamily summit. You're kind of going to give this broad swath of lots of different ways to invest in different risk profiles as well.   Totally. That's what's cool. Okay. So this is what you and I like kind of have in common. Like we can actually be open and honest about our views because of the position that we play. And this is why I don't think I've ever seen a summit quite like it because it wouldn't be good for business if all you did was multifamily and you go, Hey, go invest in Bitcoin mining. So, but you know, we're just trying to do the right thing for the past investors. Like I said, hundred K to invest.com.   Yeah. I love the concept, man. Cause a lot of people are thinking that they're like, okay, well I've got, I've got a hundred K to invest. Like what is the best place to put it? And especially with all these different crazy factors that are going right now, going on right now, that's, that's awesome. Very timely. All right, man. Before we jump into the freedom for let's jump on to one last golden nugget for our listeners. got one.   Yeah. Just go spitball. Cause I have got a bajillion. Okay. didn't know you did the freedom for that. So crazy. do a freedom Friday thing. We're on the same page in so many ways, dude. That's awesome. So, here's a golden nugget for sure. you know, speed beats pretty much everything. So what this means is that, the difference between like college sports and professional sports, basically that everyone's faster. In fact, you can be smaller, but if you're way faster, you can still move up through the ranks from high school to college to professional.   Spitball man.   Hunter Thompson (31:08.832) And the same is true of business. Now, some people might hear that and go, like you're rushing through due diligence. No, it means rush to conduct due diligence, rush to start. But it doesn't mean go quickly and rush through it and do it sloppily. It means get to it. And one of the best ways that I've found to get to it is to find mentors, is to find guides and not try to figure it out on your own. know, of cool things that I've done, you mentioned some.   cool things I've done in this industry. It's awesome, but dude, I didn't make any of this stuff up. That's not my lane. I want to find someone that has done exactly what I want to do. And I want to model it as closely as possible. And by the way, when you do this, you'll find a place where you feel like your gut wants to go right. And they went left. And sometimes you can feel like, okay, now I got to go on my own. I'll you a perfect example. You mentioned Jeremy Rohl. He's a passive investor, right? And there was a moment where I was thinking my skills are not   completely used. Like I've got this excitement about like building websites and marketing and email content, which Jeremy doesn't do, you know? And I'm like, I need to find someone that's done that. I looked left, found someone that went that direction and then model, model, model, model. And I'm sure there's going to be a moment where I have to do the same thing and model, model, model. So I'm never going like, Hmm, how can I use my raw intelligence to figure this out? By the way, if I had done that, you know, I still would have been like struggling to get C's in college. You know what I mean? So like it's all because of just finding good mentors.   Yeah, absolutely. It's a way to accelerate your growth. A lot of people, they'll look and say, look, I don't want to buy this course or this mentor or this coach because it's expensive and it might be expensive, but think about like what people pay for their undergraduate degree or their law degree. I mean, it's ridiculous. And it's a fraction of that.   That's exactly right. probably shouldn't made a joke about making season college, given your audience, but, you know, here's what I can say about your audience in particular. Everybody kind of values things differently. And it's like your audience has a high demand for time. Cause it's what they lack. When I started my career, I had all the time in the world. Nobody cared about anything. I couldn't get my calendar to get filled up, but all of sudden after years of working the skills that I have developed now, the sense is very difficult for me to get 15 minutes.   Hunter Thompson (33:24.342) So when I think about how can I expedite whatever this is, my need for money is low. My need for time is high. So it's like, if I can pay to expedite whatever it is, trust me, you tell me it's $5,000 to get 30, okay, done. I'll get the result in 30 minutes. Boom, here's the five grand. so, but that's a balance, right? So there's a lot of people listening to this right now that are kind of going down this path and perhaps they have a lot of time. So then what the opportunity is, is that's your leverage point.   Find someone that has a high demand for time, low demand for money, and you can exchange.   Yeah, definitely. Most of our listeners definitely don't have time. mean, I'll be like, Hey, make sure you get a workout in or meditate in the morning. Like I don't have 15 minutes. don't have an hour. Billing, Billing 3000 hours a year. It's ridiculous, man. I've been in that world and it's, it's tough to carve out some time. So that's why I passed investing is really the way to go. mean, I did the fix and flips and, and did all that kind of stuff to start out with. And it's just, it's not a good business model for.   So tough.   Seth Bradley (34:23.15) You know, an attorney at a big law firm or a doctor that's running their own practice. It's just really difficult to balance those things. All right, man, let's jump into the freedom for let's go.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (34:33.454) It's time for the Freedom Form.   What's the best thing you do to keep your mind and body healthy?   you already know. you know, I'm constantly working on, like kind of like athletic inspired things. have a gym. It's probably the most baller thing ever. I'm not like the typical flashy person, but I do have a home gym is pretty dope. and so right now when I'm working on is a 1,000 pound total for the three powerlifting lifts, the squat bench and deadlift. I'm not there yet, but I'll check in maybe in three months and I'll probably be there.   Woo, sounds good, man. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   dude. Okay, I'm not gonna do like a 30 minute thing on this one, but you know, I think a lot of people...   Hunter Thompson (35:21.432) get the impression that the higher you go up in the success ladder, the more it's about tactics and strategies and nothing can be further from the truth.   Hunter Thompson (35:35.326) I've paid $50,000 to be in a room with some very successful people. And the reason that room is so exciting is because you start to realize that there is no ceiling. It's a mental thing. It is not the tactics and the strategies that I wanted to learn. I wanted to know what they move like, how they think. And that's a lot of money to pay. But the higher you go up in that ladder,   The smaller, the little tweaks, the, that realization that, I should do that. I can do that. That stuff. It's crazy. Right. Because when you start, you're like, there's a certain point, like at different layers, again, there's a certain point where you go, I'm sick of hearing about this mindset stuff. get it. I just want results. But then you realize later, that's all that's holding me back. So like, that's my thought.   Yeah, it's a lot of money, but at the same time, that's something that sticks with you forever. Once you get over that, not that mindset hurdle, it's with you forever. What's one actual step our listeners can do right now to start creating more freedom.   Totally.   Hunter Thompson (36:40.28) So funny that you have these dude, this is so cool. I've like, respect this so much, cause it's what it's all about. One strategy they can implement. I would say leveraging technology to save time. First eliminating a lot of tasks that you don't need to be doing, but leveraging technology as opposed to people, especially you. And then as you first eliminate, then automate and then delegate. So.   Everyone on here, and this is going to hurt a lot of people, but every single person listening to this right now should have a VA or an assistant of some kind. Like if you're making six figures, it's absolutely inexcusable to not have someone doing some of the tasks that you shouldn't be doing. If you Google the term unique ability by strategic coach and Dan Sullivan, it'll give you some insight in terms of my views on a lot of that stuff.   Perfect. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to let go, but you got to do it. That's right. Last but not least, how has passive income made your life better?   dude, that pro come on. mean that these are great questions. Okay. I mean it is my whole life. It has made my whole life, but just real quick, a story about this. So a lot of people listening to this show, when you get started in this path, the main goal is to have your passive income exceed your expenses. And that's was my goal when I got into this business as well, until I was at a conference and someone at the back of the stage, back of the room said that they had a cool announcement.   because they had accomplished their number one financial role. And they come up there and of course I assume he's going to say that. And he goes, so I achieved my number one financial goal was that my passive income is now 10 times my expenses. I was like, what? Like mind blown situation. Like I didn't even know that was possible. I didn't know that's legal. Like, what are you talking about? I never heard anyone say a multiple of that. Like, you know, he's probably.   Hunter Thompson (38:27.402) Super frugal guy, by the way, $10,000 a month in expenses, $100,000 a month in passive income tax deferred dude. So that's possible in this game. you keep going.   Love it, man. All right, Hunter, this has been awesome, man. We're going to find out more about you.   Yeah. One thing, 100k to invest.com. That's it. You guys are awesome. Thanks.   That's it. Go check it out. Thanks again, Hunter. Hunter Thompson, ladies and gentlemen, you can see why I like him so much because well, there's a lot of the same ideas that I have. have the same political views. We have a lot in common and well, he's just a lot like me and who doesn't like someone that's like them, right? So anyways, major key, they say the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago and the second best time is now and   The same thing goes for investing. There's no better time for you to take action than right now. There are always opportunities in every part of the cycle. You just have to get educated and make the right moves. All right. If you're ready for a change and ready to take action, partner with us on our next passive real estate deal, which is live right now. Go to passiveincomeattorney.com and join our Esquire passive investor club. All right, kiddos, enjoy the journey.   Hunter Thompson (39:43.544) Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. 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Title: From Hustle to Holdings: The Smarter Path to Passive Wealth With J. Scott Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley discusses the importance of transitioning from active to passive income with guest Jay Scott, a seasoned real estate investor. They explore various investment strategies, the significance of due diligence in syndication, and the differences between house flipping and multifamily investments. Jay shares his journey from tech to real estate, emphasizing the need for teamwork in multifamily projects and the importance of understanding market conditions. The conversation concludes with actionable insights for listeners looking to create financial freedom through passive income. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V26Rze2S9TM Bullet Point Highlights: Active income is trading time for money, while passive income allows for financial freedom. Investors should focus on the highest and best use of their time. Flipping houses can be tedious and may not be the best use of time for high-income earners. Transitioning to multifamily investments can provide more control and cash flow. Market conditions can significantly impact investment strategies and outcomes. Due diligence is crucial when vetting syndication sponsors and deals. Understanding the underwriting process is essential for passive investors. Building a strong team is vital for success in multifamily investments. Investors should seek to understand the risks associated with their investments. Passive income allows for a lifestyle centered around family and personal interests. Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.188) What's going on, law nation? Welcome to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, your favorite place for learning about the world of alternative passive investments so that you can practice when you want to and not because you have to. Now, if you're ready to kick that billable out of the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com to download the Freedom Blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate investments. All right, let's talk about   the highest and best use of your time. We've talked about active versus passive income and for good reason, they are completely different. They're on opposite sides of the spectrum. When we talk about active income, we're talking about your job as an attorney, as a doctor or a business owner, where you trade your time in for money out. Depending on your skill set, background, education, work ethic, et cetera,   You know, this could be a great use of your time or it could be a terrible one. But when most people think about getting into real estate investing, they're torn. Should you do a fix and flip like you saw on HGTV? Should you invest in a REIT like your financial advisor and Charles Schwab told you to do? Should you buy a single family rental or invest in a syndication? There are endless options so I can understand why it's so confusing. Well, start with this.   ask yourself, what's the highest and best use of my time? If you're thinking about doing an HGTV fix and flip and your partner at a big law firm, for example, is that flip really the best use of your time? And don't be mistaken, a flip is transactional and it is active. So will you make more per hour on that fix and flip than you would at your job?   After you factor in the learning curve, the deal sourcing, the headaches, what it takes away from your job and everything else, it's not even close. Unless you truly love doing it, which some people do, it just doesn't make sense for high income earners. You should be focusing on transforming the income you earn actively into passive income streams. At different levels on the passive scale, that could very well be a single family rental or an Airbnb.   Seth Bradley (02:34.26) or could be passive investments into commercial syndications. But if you truly want to obtain financial freedom as quickly as possible, don't create more time consuming activities that aren't as fruitful as the active income stream that you already have. Focus on passive investments until you are financially free. And then you will have the freedom to transition or not into any   active activity you have a passion for. Today, we have a very special guest, Mr. Jay Scott of Bigger Pocket fame. Jay is an entrepreneur, investor, advisor, and the co-host of the Bigger Pockets Business Podcast. He has bought, built, rehab, sold, syndicated, and held over $70 million in residential property, and currently owns several hundred units. Jay is the author of four bestselling books on real estate investing,   with sales of over 300,000 copies. Get really excited for this, folks. You're in for a treat.   This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of the ultra wealthy on how they build streams of passive income to give them the freedom we all want. Attorney Seth Bradley will help you end the cycle of trading your time for money so you can make money while you sleep. Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's your host, Seth Bradley.   Jay Scott, what's going on, brother? Welcome to the show.   Scott (04:09.196) Thanks. Appreciate you having me here Seth.   Absolutely, man. Appreciate you taking the time out of your day, We've got a little bit of history, but let's jump into your history, man. What's your story? Tell us about your background. Take it back as far you'd like to.   Yeah, I'll keep it short because nobody really cares about what I used to do. So I'm a tech guy by education and former trade. I worked in Silicon Valley for a long time, spent about 15 years doing the engineering thing and the product management thing. 2008 decided to get married. My wife and I, she was in the tech world also. We decided to leave and do something different so we could start a family.   focus on our family. Basically, we were both working ridiculous hours and it just wasn't sustainable if we wanted to start a family. So put our jobs in 2008, moved to the East coast, ended up flipping houses. Long, boring story about how that started, just kind of serendipitous. We didn't really plan it, never really considered real estate, but fell into flipping houses. Over the next eight years or so, we flipped about 400, 450 houses, was great. It ended up being the,   next career we were looking for, it gave us the flexibility to kind of raise our kids and never have to miss a soccer game or a piano recital, which was fantastic. But then around 2017-ish really got burned out on flipping houses and that's when I started to look for some new stuff to do. and that kind of leads me into what I've been doing the last few years.   Seth Bradley (05:41.742) That's awesome, man. That's a ton of houses you flip, man. think that that's, know, a lot of the folks who've been in the game for a long time, they've heard you speak on, you know, on bigger pockets and all of that. So, you know, what attracted you originally to house flipping rather than, you know, buy it holds or anything like that?   So I'll be honest, I don't love real estate. I love business. I'm a business guy. like when I was even when I was in the tech world, I got my MBA and I did some business development and I moved from the engineering side to the product side where I could be more involved in the business stuff. And I'm a business guy by heart. And that's what I love doing. So when it came to flipping houses,   For me, was, I could have been buying and selling anything. It ended up being houses. And again, not an exciting story. mean, literally the story was my wife was watching a show on HGTV with some people flipping houses and she said, let's give that a try. Just as kind of like a fun thing to do on the side while we were waiting for our wedding to come up. So it wasn't something that I ever thought about or planned to do. It just kind of happened.   And so if it weren't flipping houses, it would have been buying and selling something else. would have opened a restaurant or I would have opened a retail store or who knows what I would have done. But for me, the challenge was in the business. It wasn't the real estate piece of it. And so I've always enjoyed the scaling part. So yeah, flipping a house is great. Flipping five houses is great. But I always wanted to know, how do I go from flipping five houses to flipping 50 houses in a year? What are the systems and processes I have to put in place?   how do I build that type of business? That to me is what's exciting. And so for me, it's always been about not the real estate part of it, but about the building the business part of it.   Seth Bradley (07:25.248) I love that man. I don't think I've heard anyone just come out and say that, even though a lot of people are probably in the same boat as you that, you know, you don't have to love real estate to recognize that it's a great business. Right. Yeah. So that that's awesome. So tell me a little bit about your, your transition and what you're doing now, your current business, how you kind of progressed from house living to what you're about to tell us about.   Yeah, so 2017, I just got really burned out on flipping houses. It was good to us financially. We got good at it. I wrote a bunch of books on it, but I'll be honest, it was never fun. And as the years went on, it just ended up getting more tedious. I felt like I wasn't learning anything new. It was revising processes and creating new systems. it was fun, but I needed some new challenges.   So 2017, I decided, okay, done with flipping, actually went and started doing some business stuff. So I do some advisory work for some tech companies. I do some angel investing. And so for a few months, I actually considered getting out of real estate altogether, focusing on other business pursuits. But I actually, what I realized was that I didn't like the nuts and bolts of real estate. I liked the mechanics of real estate.   I loved the negotiation piece. I loved the asset management piece. I loved the putting deals together piece and I was good at it. And so while I really didn't wanna be flipping houses, didn't want to be involved in the day-to-day aspects of managing the projects. I enjoyed the deal part of real estate. And so in addition to that, after I stopped flipping, I had all this cash.   And I was like, okay, what am I going to do with this cash? I was using it to flip houses. We were doing 50 houses a year. It's put a lot of cash to work. Now I had all this cash. I'm a control freak. do invest in other people's syndications, but I don't sleep well at night when all my money is being managed by other people. So I said, how do I kind of take back control of my own cash as well as kind of get back into real estate? What can I do in real estate that I would enjoy? And now I can also deploy a bunch of my own cash. And what I realized was multifamily.   Scott (09:38.648) That was a great opportunity. And I had been thinking about multifamily for a long time. But what I realized was from the syndication side of multifamily, could, one, I could have the control. could be a general partner. could control the deal. I could put the deal together. I could manage the deal. But also I could come in on the limited partner side as an investor. And it was a great place to deploy my capital. So I could deploy my capital in deals that I had full control over. So 2017, I decided I wanted to get into multifamily, probably wanted to get into syndication.   I reached out to a friend of mine, Ashley Wilson, who managed a company called Barred Down Investments. She and her husband had started the company a couple of years earlier. They were doing exactly what I wanted to do. And so I reached out to Ashley and I said, hey, I would love to learn multifamily. I don't expect you to like just take all this time and teach me so I can often be your competitor. But here's what I am willing to do if you're willing to do this. I will come work for you for a year.   And in that year, you've got all my time, you've got all my energy, you've got all my knowledge, you've got all my contacts, I'll put money into your deals, whatever it takes. You mentor me for a year, you've got my commitment for a year. After a year, we can figure out if like, there's a place for me on the team or if I'll go off and do my own thing. But basically, let's work together for a year. And she loved that idea. mean, I think she liked the fact that I was really good with the systems and the processes and the operation stuff.   And I obviously loved the fact that I could jump into a team that was high functioning, already owned a lot of properties and was doing deals. So for the next year, I worked with her team. It took about a year and a half before we finally did a deal. But 2020, just before COVID, we started putting together a deal. That deal went really well. Ashley and I realized that we were like, just we made a great team.   We had a bunch of complimentary skills, the things that she was really good at, I wasn't, the things I was really good at, she wasn't, it was just a good partnership. Around the same time, her husband decided that he didn't really want to be doing real estate anymore. He kind of wanted to be a stay at home dad. He liked helping with the business. He ran the underwriting team and he did a lot of the analytics, but he didn't want to be a partner in the business anymore. So about a year and a half ago, Ashley came to me and said, Hey, would you want to join me and be a partner in the business?   Scott (11:57.678) 2020, 2021-ish. Ashley and I joined forces. She and I now run bar down investments and we do value add multifamily all around the country.   That's great man, said you weren't having fun anymore, you having fun now?   I'm having a ton of fun. And I think the big difference between then and now is when you're flipping houses, flipping houses is a very, it's a solitary venture. Yeah, you have contractors around you and you have eight real estate agents and you have closing agents and lots of 1099 people, lots of vendors and people that come in to help you. But at the end of the day, you're running the show. You're doing the four big things that you do when you flip houses.   you're acquisitions or you're running acquisitions, you're doing the rehab or you're running the rehab, you're doing the disposition or managing the disposition and you're raising the money. mean, all four of those things, you don't generally have a big team to do those things because it's just hard to scale a big team when you're flipping houses. The profits aren't there, the margins aren't there. Unless you're doing real high-end houses, the deal size isn't there. But in multifamily, the thing I love about multifamily is it really is a team sport. When you're doing it,   $10 million deal or a $50 million deal, it's not something that I could ever do myself. It's not something anybody or very few people can do themselves. Typically you have to be part of a team because things are very specialized. mean, the acquisitions piece, you need some of the best acquisitions people in the world to be finding deals in this market. The renovation piece to be renovating a 200 or 400 or 600 unit apartment complex, it's not like flipping a house. You need to have really good systems and processes. need to...   Scott (13:36.448) really know the renovation side of things. Managing the property, I mean, you have to know the asset management side. You have to know how to carry out a business plan. You have to know how to increase and reposition rents. You have to know how to decrease expenses and improve the efficiency of the management. And then on the sales side, that's a whole other world where you have to really know the market and be able to work with the brokers and know how to position the company for sale. And then finally, there's that raising funds piece.   And that's a whole world by itself, whether you're dealing with raising debt through a broker and you're going like just typical, like getting loans, or you're going out to private investors or institutions and you're raising equity, people that come in as partners. And I mean, that's a full-time job in itself, those two things. So when you do multifamily, you really need to figure out what are you great at? And then you need to surround yourself with people who are great at everything else. And so that's what I loved about multifamily. It allowed me to focus on what I was really   and then bring in people who are literally the best in the world at all the other stuff. And now it becomes a team sport. It goes from playing tennis to playing basketball. It goes from being yourself reliant and you have to do everything and be the best versus you have to be able to put together the best team and manage that team in a way that not only is everybody fantastic, but working together, they're better than the sum of their parts.   Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic, man. The whole team game part of multifamily and commercial real estate. It's really interesting because when you get into other businesses, it feels more competitive and kind of like if you if you have the secret sauce, you keep it close to your vest. You don't you don't tell everybody about it. Whereas when you're in this commercial real estate world, everybody's sharing ideas. Everybody's trying to partner. Everybody's trying to see how they can help you rather than just looking about, well, how can you help me kind of?   I call it, I'm gonna get in trouble here, but the Hollywood mentality where it's like, what can you do for me? Oh, you just drive a three series, you probably can't help me. So it's a different attitude.   Scott (15:41.294) Absolutely. I like to refer to it as co-op petition. It's like there are deals that you're going to do with other people and then there deals you're going to do yourself and you may come back to those people later. You may never come back to them, but everybody kind of looks out for each other because you never know when you may end up in a deal with somebody that previously you were competing against. And so anytime that you're not in a deal with somebody, you're still treating them as if, the next deal we could end up being partners. And the deal after that, we could end up being partners.   because it really is, it's a small industry, everybody knows each other. we really, again, going back to the sum of the parts is greater than the parts themselves. mean, working together, we can really do a whole lot more than if we just are purely competitive and try and take each other down.   Yeah, absolutely. And I think kind of going back, there's a lesson to be learned about how you were transitioning from house flipping and you were the best at it. And then you're like, okay, I want to go into multifamily and a syndication. You went and you sought out someone that was already in the game that knew what they were doing, that had the experience. And you said, what can I do to help you? What value can I bring to you to help you so you can teach me what you've done? And there's a lot of value to be found in that lesson for folks that are trying to   you know, get into the active side. A lot of listeners out there are passive investors already and they're, you know, maybe thinking about, maybe I want to do in the active side. And they're like, well, what can I do? Cause a lot of attorneys, especially in doctors and folks like that, they think they have this one track mind. They're only trained to do one thing. And they're like, what value can I provide as somebody else? But there are a lot of skills that you've learned in your W2 profession that you can apply to help other folks that are already in the industry.   Absolutely. I mean, I talk about it a lot, but even outside of real estate, I do a lot of advisory work and I'm still pretty active in the tech world. And I find companies that kind of bridge that gap between technology and real estate. all know about the Zillows and the Airbnb type companies. There are a lot of startup companies in that space too called property technology type companies. so...   Scott (17:46.998) I love to use my experience, my knowledge, my relationships to go into those companies and help them grow their companies. In return, I'm not an employee. I'm not even a 1099 contractor. In return, I'm getting equity so that if I can help make them successful, ultimately my equity is gonna be worth something. I'm gonna be successful as well. And so what I like to tell everybody like figure out what you're good at and then figure out who needs that expertise.   and then figure out how you can offer that expertise in a way that isn't trading necessarily hours for dollars. Figure out how you can trade your expertise, your knowledge, your Rolodex, your whatever it is for equity or potentially passive income so that you can grow potentially many fold as opposed to I charge $200 an hour or $300 an hour. mean, everybody loves $300 an hour, but the minute you stop working, you stop making that money. But if you can get equity, that equity can work for you for a while.   Yeah, absolutely. And it's tough for a lot of the WTs out there listening, they're highly paid professionals. It's tough to get off of that treadmill. For some folks it's easier because they're not making as much money, but for the lawyers, the doctors out there that are making a good amount of money in their profession, it's tough to try to see, you know, to stop trading time for money. But you've got to kind of see through the weeds there.   Yeah, well, what I tell people is, there's two types of income. There's your active income. That's the stuff that you're trading your time for, whether you're a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer or you're a house flipper or you're a consultant or you're a small business owner, whatever it is, that thing that when you stop working, you stop making money. And then there's a passive income. It's the thing you trade money for money. So you put your money out there and hopefully it continues to come back to you for the rest of your life or at least the next several years.   And so what I like to tell people is don't think about those the same. Those are completely different. figure out for your active income, figure out what the highest and best use of your time is. If you're gonna make more money as an attorney than you are flipping houses, don't flip houses just because you eventually want to retire on real estate. You can always use real estate for the passive side of things, but if you're gonna make more dollars per hour as an attorney or a doctor or a consultant, then do that because you wanna get out of that active income as quickly as possible.   Scott (20:05.9) And the way you do that is you make as much as you can and you move it over to the passive side. So focus on whatever it is that's generating the most dollars per hour for a shorter period of time so that you can then start moving that money over to the passive side and start building up the passive side. don't, people ask me all the time, should I flip houses or should I buy rentals? And I'm constantly telling them that's not the right question. Flipping houses is your active income. Compare that to all the other.   potential active incomes you can have. And rentals is passive income. Compare that to all the other passive investments you can make. And so don't say flipping houses or rentals say, should I be flipping houses or should I be an attorney? And don't say, I be flipping houses or rentals say, should I be doing rentals or should I be investing in syndications or dividend generating stocks or something else? And think of them very differently. then secondly,   Make sure as much of that active income as you can, move it over the passive side so that you can start that snowball rolling. I compound interest is the key to financial freedom. And the sooner you can put more money to work, the faster it'll compound and the sooner you can start to live on.   Yeah, I love that man. mean, lot of folks, you know, calls that I take, they're like, hey, they're attorneys. Should I quit my job or how do I quit my job? I'm like, if you want to quit your job, don't be hasty about it. First of all, you're probably making a good amount of money in your active income. You just need to figure out a way to transition that active to passive income and don't just quit your job. It's very difficult to flip houses, to do an HGTV fix and flip while you're working at a big law firm or something like that full time.   I tried to do it, I didn't do it very well. You're not even gonna make it nearly as much money as you would as a doctor, as an attorney, unless you get to level like you did, Jay, but that takes time and that takes a buildup of accumulation of skills and money to be able to get to that level.   Scott (22:05.826) Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a math equation. mean, your passive income or your ability to build up enough income to be able to retire, whatever your number is, is based on how much can you put in per month into that wheel, that passive income growth machine? How much are you generating every year on what you're putting in? So what do your returns look like? And three, how long do you have to compound it?   And so everybody can go out into a compound interest calculator and say, okay, I have $5,000 a month that I can invest passively and I can return 12 % per year and I need $6 million to retire. Well, based on those three numbers, you can now figure out that fourth variable, is how long is it going to take? And so figure out how much do you have per month to put in? What's the rate of return you can generate and how much do you need? And that'll tell you how long it's going to take or   figure out how much you have to put in, how much your return is gonna be and how long you wanna spend. And that'll tell you how much you'll end up with at the end, either way you wanna look at it. But again, it's a pretty simple math equation, but too many people don't actually do that equation where they don't think about it until too late and they think, I wish I would have taken that $5,000 a month that I was spending on my second home in the Bahamas and put that into real estate so that I could have been.   compounding it and so now I could buy that home for cash five years or 10 years later.   Absolutely. Attorneys hate math, but I think they can handle that little equation. I want to take a step back for a minute because you got into house flipping in 2008, which is kind of like around the big crash. And now we're kind of at the height of a market. We don't know where that height is going to end, but we're definitely in it. Right. So can you maybe compare and contrast getting into, let's say,   Seth Bradley (24:01.652) one real estate venture in the middle of a crash compared to getting into another venture kind of towards, towards the upswing.   Yeah, so it's one of the reasons I like multifamily and I like commercial and I like syndication. Anytime you're doing purely transactional deals, buying something and then selling it, not generating any cashflow in between, you run a risk. If the market turns in the middle of the transaction, you're gonna lose money and you don't have a lot of ways to mitigate that risk.   Whereas if you're buying something like an apartment complex, or even if you're buying a rental property, or you're buying a self-storage complex, or you're buying anything that cash flows, the nice thing is if the market turns, you may not be in a great position. You may not be thrilled with what's happening with the value of your assets, but if you're still generating cash flow, you can weather that storm. Maybe it's gonna take, the average recession lasts about 18 months. And so if you can make enough income that you can keep yourself afloat for 18 months, or maybe   it's a horrible recession and it lasts three or four years. If you're still making income and you can keep yourself afloat for three or four years, the market's gonna come back. And so when we do our multifamily deals, yeah, we typically say we're planning to hold three to five years, but we also do all the underwriting to ensure that if we have to hold for six years or eight years or even nine or 10 years, that the numbers still work because.   Again, who knows what's gonna happen three years down the road, we could have a major recession that lasts four years and now we're seven years down the road. I wanna know that my multifamily investments in seven years, they're probably gonna be producing more cashflow. We're probably gonna see more growth in terms of population. We're probably gonna see more growth in terms of employment. Hopefully we're gonna see more wage growth once we come out of that recession. So all the economic indicators that kind of lead towards value growth in multifamily,   Scott (25:58.486) are going to happen over those seven years if I can just get my property seven years and not lose it. With a flip, well, I'm not generating any income. So if the bank calls the loan due or if my two-year loan comes due and I can't refinance, I'm screwed. But in a multifamily, I just waited an extra couple of years and I'm probably in a better position than I was anyway. So that's one of the reasons I love multifamily because we can't predict   what the economy is gonna do in the next couple of years. But I do know that whatever the economy does, it's probably gonna come back in the next five or 10, and I'm still gonna have the problem.   Yeah, yeah, that's great. That kind of rolls into this next question. How does a passive investor that's kind of vetting a sponsor, how do they check kind of the boxes to see if their sponsors are taking the extra measures to look into those risks that you just mentioned, to mitigating those risks, to taking those risks into account in their underwriting and things like that. How can they best vet the sponsor to make sure that they're thinking of those things?   So I invest in a lot of other people's syndications as well as my own. And so when I do that, I kind of look at five areas for due diligence anytime I invest in a syndication. Number one is the team. And that's probably the most important thing. For a lot of people, I have been pleasantly surprised that a lot of our investors have recognized that team is the most important aspect of the deal. I know in the flipping world, everybody was concerned about the deal. Nobody cared about   what was my experience, but in the multifamily world, a lot of investors recognize that the team has to be great. So number one is the team. Number two is location. Location is often overlooked, but at the end of the day, the thing that's gonna drive value for multifamily and for commercial real estate in general is gonna be population growth. So you want more people coming into an area, employment growth. So you want more employers coming into an area that will bring more people in. You want wage growth because that will ultimately drive rents up.   Scott (28:06.082) and you want employment diversity. You wanna know that if one industry takes a big hit, so for example, we invest in Houston, but we won't invest in the energy corridor of Houston because it's so reliant on oil and gas, that if the oil and gas industry took a big hit, the real estate around there would probably take a big hit. So we wanna see that there's good employment diversity. But at the end of the day, location is that next big thing. So team, location, number three is the deal itself.   So you need to know that the deal is gonna stand on its own. I wanna know that if I took a deal and I handed it to pretty much any other indicator, they couldn't mess it up too badly. Obviously, again, we're gonna go back to the team is super important, but I want the deal also to stand on its own. And I wanna know that the business plan for the deal, the hold period, the numbers and the underwriting, the pro forma for the property makes sense. So team location deal.   Number four is the returns. So obviously when I invest with somebody, I'm in it for the money. And so I wanna see that the returns are commensurate with the risk. I wanna know that the returns, if somebody tells me I'm gonna get 10 % returns in this deal versus 20 % returns in another deal, I wanna know, well, why am gonna settle for lower returns? I want the answer to be because it's a lot lower risk or because you're gonna get your money back a lot sooner, which is gonna allow you to compound it or whatever the answer is.   I want to know that the returns make sense given everything else. And then finally is the risks. At the end of the day, I'm always going to sit down with the syndicator and I'm going to say, what are you most concerned about here? Like where, if I'm going to lose money on this deal, where am I most likely going to lose money? They say, there's no shot of losing money. walk away because we all know every deal has risks and every syndicator knows what those risks are. And they're thinking about those risks. I just want them to tell me.   So if I'm gonna lose money on this deal, where am I most likely? Why am I most likely to lose money if I'm going to lose money? So those are the five things that I look for. Talking about each individually a little bit more. the team, I like to know that one, I wanna see how many deals the team has done together because again, like a basketball team, you can put the best basketball players in the world together. And if they've never played on the court together,   Scott (30:31.672) they're not gonna be necessarily the best team out there. You can find another team with five inferior players who have been playing together for 20 years and they're probably gonna be better because they know each other better. So I like to see teams that have worked together for a while. I like to see teams that have gone full cycle in deals. So it's easy to buy 10,000 units. It's hard to buy 10,000 units and also sell 10,000 units for a profit. So I wanna see that if a team has bought a lot of deals, they've at least sold some for a profit.   I wanna see a team that's putting their own money in the deals. So I want people that have skin in the game. If they don't have skin in the game, and I've seen plenty of syndicators that don't like to put money in the deals, well, they need to sweeten the pot for me somehow. So maybe they're saying, we're not gonna take any profits until at least year three, or we're gonna give you a better preferred return, a better split than you would get if we were putting money in the deal. I wanna know if you're not putting money in.   that you're at least giving me something that aligns our interests and ensures that you're gonna be working hard even though you might not have as much financial risk. So those are the types of things I like to see in the team. I like to see things like at least one or two people working full-time. If everybody's part-time, that's kind of a little bit scary. Obviously not everybody has to be full-time because there are a lot of jobs on a GP team that aren't full-time jobs. There are a lot of jobs that might stop the day you purchase the property. Like the person that's raising money, job's   pretty much done other than communicating status when the property's been purchased. But I do want to know that whoever's managing the asset is doing it full time. So that's kind of the team stuff. Location, again, population growth, employment growth, wage growth, and employment diversity. So those are the four big things I look for. Next is the business plan. So I want to see the biggest question when somebody goes in and...   does what I do, which is a value add multifamily. Basically they buy it, they raise the value of the property and then they sell it for a big profit. Where is that profit coming from? Generally the profits coming from raising the rents. There's also some lowering the expenses, but at the end of the day, raising the rents is kind of the big thing that's gonna generate the big profits in multifamily. And so I wanna know how are you raising the rents? And two, when you tell me that you're raising the rents from X to Y, where is Y coming from?   Scott (32:55.182) Show me the comps that tell me that why is a reasonable new rent, market rent for this property after you've done the renovation. So I wanna see the comps. So that's kind of the deal. The returns speaks for themselves. I wanna see like the structure of the deal. So when's the money coming back to me? Is it paid monthly? Is it paid quarterly? What are the returns look like? What's the preferred return? So is it a low preferred return, which means   that the syndicators are getting paid sooner, whereas at a higher preferred return, which means the syndicators have to do more for me before they take anything home. So that speaks for themselves. And then for the risks, I wanna know both the catastrophic risks. So what's the thing that's like going to make me lose all my money? Is there something out there that can cause me to lose all my money? Hopefully the answer is no, but there are probably some risks that are bigger than others. So we do a lot of deals in Houston. If somebody were to say to me, what's the biggest risk on your deals?   The answer is generally going to be weather. If we have a really bad hurricane, if we're in a flood zone, we probably have flood insurance and we have hurricane insurance. But if it's in a place that's never experienced the negative impacts of a flood or a hurricane, and we are not required to have flood insurance, but there's still a massive hurricane that wipes out that property, that's not going to be good. We're going to have to pay for that ourselves. So what's our mitigation there? We don't have a great one. Luckily.   the risk is really low. We don't buy in areas where there is that risk. And if there is, we're gonna get flood insurance. But I do want my investors to know that no matter where you invest, whether it's a risk and especially in Houston, if we see a storm bigger than anything we've seen the last 50 years, some of our properties could be at risk. And then there are the smaller risks. So maybe there's five other complexes being renovated all around us. Maybe there's class A, brand new class A being developed.   all around us. So basically our absorption of units is going to slow down because there's so many more units. Maybe there's one big employer in the area. Amazon just built a warehouse that's employing 8,000 people. Well, what happens if Amazon has a bad year and has to lay off 4,000 of those people? How's that going to affect us? So, so risks is the next thing. And the way I approach it is I literally sit down with the, with the syndicator and say,   Scott (35:15.554) What keeps you up at night? What are the biggest things you're concerned about? And so those are the things that I do. I have no problem basically saying to a syndicator, I need 15 or 30 minutes of your time to ask these questions. Typically the good ones will either find the times themselves or have somebody on their team that will sit down and answer these questions. If they're not willing to answer those questions, well, that's probably a good indication that that's not a good team.   Yeah. For our listeners out there, that breakdown was incredible. Rewind that, listen to those five items again. That's a quick, but thorough and awesome rundown of what you need to do. Just as at least the starting points for your due diligence. And that's, that's great that you said if they won't book a call with you either themselves or an investor relations person on their team, then it's time to, you can just walk away and look at the next, look at the next deal. One question I had on the deal.   So a lot of folks, it's kind of overwhelming to see an underwriting model or something like that. And being a passive investor, I don't know how much you even want to dive into it. Some people do, some people want to nerd out on it. Most people don't. And we don't generally have access to the T12 or the rent roll or anything like that. What are maybe some quick tips on how to maybe proof through that pro forma to make sure that the assumptions are reasonable and the pro forma is generally   a reasonable prediction of what we might expect from that investment.   Well, let me start, me take a step back before I answer that particular question and just say that even for you and me, mean, you know how to do an underwriting, I know how to do an underwriting. If you or I were gonna invest in somebody's deal, Joe Smith's deal, we're probably not gonna have enough information even though we know this business really well and we know the underwriting models really well, we're probably not gonna have enough information.   Scott (37:08.908) that we're going to be able to know for certain that Joe Smith's not trying to scam us out of money. So if Joe Smith is really smart and he could probably put together an underwriting that could fool us because we're just not gonna be putting in as many dozens of hours underwriting as he and his team are. So the number one thing I would say is make sure you trust your syndicate. This goes back to why team is so important.   because there's two types of things that Joe Smith can do. One, he could do a bad job of underwriting and come up with bad numbers. That's not good, but that's not nearly as bad as Joe Smith wanting to scam us out of money. So number one is make sure Joe Smith's not the kind of guy who wants to scam us out of money. And so work with people who are reputable. And that's why I would invest with you before I would invest with 95 % of syndicators out there because you're an attorney, you passed the bar.   you know that if you go and somebody finds out that you're trying to scam somebody, well, you're putting your entire career at risk. And so what I tell people is, so what do you have that really proves that this person is on the up and up? And maybe it's a track record. Maybe it's 10 or 15 years of doing deals. Maybe it's, I like to think with me, I've been doing this business for 15 years. I've done thousands of deals with hundreds or thousands of people.   And if you go out on the internet, nobody's gonna, you're not gonna find anything that's written negatively about me. So that's a good sign. But make sure that there's something out there that gives you faith in that syndicator, even if it's just somebody else that's invested in a couple of deals with them. So that's number one. So that's the way to rule out that catastrophic, they're trying to scam you risk. Then there's the more likely, what if they just didn't do a good job of underwriting risk?   And so for that, would say for people that have very little knowledge of how the underwriting works and how the numbers work, it can be really difficult. And so what I like to do is, or what I recommend people do is sit down and ask to do a Zoom call for 15 minutes with the investor relations person and say, hey, will you kind of walk me through the high level underwriting? And at least force them to go through and then just ask questions.   Scott (39:30.958) when they say something, even if you have no idea what you're talking about and they say, well, it looks like we're gonna be able to reduce expenses by implementing a rub system, blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay, well, what is rubs and how does that work? And at least make them explain it to you. At least then you'll get an idea that they're not making it up as they're going along, or at least you'll get that confidence that it sounds like they know what they're talking about. But the biggest thing that I would say is that whole comps thing.   And this is a question that a lot of people don't like to ask. But I actually, and when people ask me this question, it always makes me nervous because it's the hardest part of the business, but it impresses me when people do. to the underwriting or the investor relations person, what are the comps that you used for your post renovation market rents? So again, the thing that drives values in multifamily is after the renovation is completed, in theory, you should be able to bring your rents up higher.   and your rents, those higher rents, you should be able to figure out what they are by looking at other units that have already been renovated and seeing what their rents are. So if I buy one, two, three Main Street, and I know I'm going to put $8 million into it, well, now that property is going to comp out to 678 Main Street. And well, what are the rents at 678 Main Street? And so by asking, hey, so you're buying one, two, three Main Street, what are the comps for the rents after you renovate?   and they tell you, it's going to be 678 Main Street and 123 Smith Street, whatever it is, you can then go look up those properties and say, okay, well, it looks like a two bedroom at those properties is renting for 1200. Now I go back to the investor relations person or whatever information they gave me I see, oh, okay, after renovation, they have their rents at 1200. Makes sense. If that's a reasonable comp, they now have the rents at kind of where they should be.   If he says that six, seven, eight main streets, a comp, and you go look in a two bedroom at six, seven, eight main streets, 1200, but their underwriting tells you that after they do the renovation, they're going to be charging 1500. Well, why are you now $300 above this property that you said was a comp? And so that to me is kind of the first thing that I look at or the biggest thing I look at is what are the comps that they're using and does just a kind of first pass.   Scott (41:57.762) jumping on apartments.com or calling the complex and asking them what different things rent for. Does that coincide with what they're telling you their post renovation rents are gonna   Yeah, I love that man. I mean, it's not as simple as just going into an old dilapidated apartment building and saying, I'm to put granite countertops and hardwood flooring and stainless steel appliances in there. And then I'm going to triple the rent or double the rent. It's not that easy. If it's not in the right area that could support those, those market rents or that have potential tenants that want those types of things, it doesn't work. So that's why that's so important to check those comps to see what's around those apartments that you're going to be investing in to see if, they can achieve those.   those proforma rents. All right, man, before we jump into the freedom four, what's one last gold nugget for our listeners?   Absolutely.   Scott (42:45.634) Yeah, so again, what I would tell people is figure out your highest and best use on your active side. And then for the passive side, figure out how you're gonna scale. And I know a lot of people like to invest in a whole lot of different things, but I'm a big fan of doing some work so that you don't have to diversify as much. Diversification is great, but diversification,   is for people who aren't really an expert in anything. If you want to get your best returns, the way to get your highest level of returns is not to have to diversify. And the best way not to have to diversify is to get knowledgeable about whatever you're investing in. So if you decide you wanna invest in all your syndications, just cause that's what you and I do. So it's an easy example. If you want to invest in syndications and that's how you wanna grow your nest egg, my recommendation is,   get as much information about syndications as you can. Pick up a good book on syndications. Go find somebody that does syndications and say, hey, I'd to pay you a thousand bucks for five hours of your time. Or you just to walk me through what a typical deal looks like or what the underwriting looks like. Or go sit in on a hundred multifamily syndication investor videos, presentations. So you can see all the different things they're talking about and become as much of an expert there as you can. So that way you're reducing your risk without having to do a lot of the.   diversification. So focus on whatever your highest and best use of time is on your active income and then become as knowledgeable as you can for whatever you're investing in passively. What I like to say on the passive side is it's not truly passive. Nothing's truly passive. But the best investments are the one where all the work is done upfront. You do your due diligence and then it becomes passive.   Yeah, that's awesome, man. And then what you can do though is diversify within that strategy, right? Absolutely. Yeah, different asset types can have different business strategy, value add, or maybe you're dealing with just a class A where you're chasing yield or across different cities, different geographies, or across different sponsorship teams. There's other ways to diversify within that same type of investment strategy. Yep. All right, man, let's jump into the Freedom 4.   Scott (45:05.598) It's time for the Freedom Four.   What's the best thing you do to keep your mind and body healthy?   So for me, it's admitting when I need a break. I know so many people that it's a badge of honor to work 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, never take a vacation. I'm just the opposite. If I wake up one morning and I'm tired and I don't feel like working and I don't feel like I'm gonna be productive, I will grab a book. I might even turn on the TV. I might say to my wife, hey, let's go to breakfast or let's go spend the day, let's go to a movie.   And I have no qualms with just saying, I need a break today. Today's not gonna be a productive day. I don't need to pretend to work just so I can have that badge of honor that I work hard. And so, yeah, and that's one of the nice things about real estate. mean, I don't have a hundred percent flexible work-life balance. I can't do anything I want any time I want, but if I wanna take a couple hours off, I normally can. And so I'm not scared to do that.   Yeah, yeah, that's a great answer. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   Scott (46:15.734) Yeah, I still have a lot of them. I think we all do. But I'd say the biggest one is that doing a big deal is not that much harder than doing a little deal. I'm not going to say a hundred million dollar deal is just as easy as a hundred thousand dollar deal. But if you're smart enough to do a hundred thousand dollar deal, you're smart enough to do a hundred million dollar deal. And the people that are out there doing those hundred million dollar deals, mean, we have, we now have a hundred million dollars assets under management.   I remember a couple of years ago, looking at the people that had nine figures under management and thinking, they're different. I can't do that. These are people, went to some school that I will never go to, or they were born into something that I was never born into, or they know people I don't know, or whatever it is. No, they're normal people. And the only difference between them and me was I wasn't thinking big enough.   and I wasn't willing to take some risks and I wasn't willing to acknowledge the fact that doing again, a hundred million dollar deal is certainly within my capabilities. So that to me has been probably the biggest one and it's made it a lot easier for me now to say, okay, $50 million deal, let's go do it, not think twice.   Yeah. I had a similar experience working in, in, big law, doing house flips, doing single family rentals, things like that. And even though my clients are doing 50, a hundred million dollar deals and I'm helping them close those deals, it was just like the mindset shift that, a minute, I can do those deals too. I'm actually giving them advice on how to, how to do this thing. I need to step up my game and, and, take some.   Exactly, it's the difference between people doing a hundred million, a hundred thousand, it's all mindset.   Seth Bradley (48:00.866) Yep, absolutely. What's one actual step our listeners can do right now to start creating more freedom.   take action. So the biggest thing that I see stopping people is just this fear to take the first step. And I know this doesn't apply to a lot of your listeners, but I talked to a lot of people who want to get into house flipping or they want to get into rentals and they've been thinking about it for years and they just never take that first step and then they end up giving up. One of the the few truisms I see in this business   is that there are two types of people I meet. Number one, I meet people that have never done a deal. They've done zero deals. And maybe they're still working on it. Maybe they've given up whatever it is, but they've done zero deals. And then the other type of people I meet in this business are people that have done a lot of deals. They've done five or 10 or 20 or 50 deals. There's one type of person I never ever meet in this business. And that's somebody that's done one deal. Because if you get that one deal, you're gonna get the second and the third and the fifth and the tenth.   Nobody does one deal and then says, okay, that's it, I'm done. can't do this. So what I like to tell people is, and that applies to a lot of things in life. If you can get over the hump and do it once, you're gonna get that snowball effect and it gets easier the second time. It gets even easier the third, it gets even easier the hundred. So don't give up until you achieve that first step or that first iteration of whatever it is you wanna achieve because that's gonna get that snowball rolling.   Yeah. Yeah. We preach that on their show all the time. Just like, you know, just do a deal, just invest in a deal so you can get that experience and it'll just kind of open up your mind to other opportunities. You'll just see opportunity all around you. Once you just do one deal last but not least, how it's passive income made your life better.   Scott (49:51.886) Passive income has given me the ability and the confidence to raise a family. Before this, my biggest concern with raising a family was I didn't want to be, I had, my parents were great, but my parents were always working. And I didn't want to be the same type of father that my parents were. Again, they were fantastic, but I wanted to always be there. I wanted to be at every soccer game, every piano recital.   I wanted to be able to go into school for the parent-teacher conferences. so passive income has really given me the ability to build my life around my family as opposed to building my life around   Love that, love that. It's been fantastic, brother. We're gonna listen and find out more about you.   Yeah, anybody wants to get more info, go to www.connectwithjscott, just letter J, Scott, connectwithjscott.com, and that'll link you out to everything you might wanna find.   Awesome man. Talk soon.   Scott (50:54.945) Awesome. Thanks,   All right, Mr. Jay Scott from Master House Flipper to multifamily syndicator. He's a master of creating profitable, well-oiled business machines. I've been reading Jay's bigger pockets books for years and it's awesome to have the opportunity to have him on the show today. Major key, focus. Focus on transitioning your active income to passive income and don't get distracted. All right, if you're ready for a change, you're ready to take action.   partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals. Go to passiveincomeattorney.com and join our Esquire Passive Investor Club. All right, kiddos, as always, enjoy the journey.   Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. And we'll see you on the next episode.   Links from the Show and Guest Info and Links: Seth Bradley's Links: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq?lang=en J. 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Title: From Hustle to Holdings: The Smarter Path to Passive Wealth With J. Scott Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley discusses the importance of transitioning from active to passive income with guest Jay Scott, a seasoned real estate investor. They explore various investment strategies, the significance of due diligence in syndication, and the differences between house flipping and multifamily investments. Jay shares his journey from tech to real estate, emphasizing the need for teamwork in multifamily projects and the importance of understanding market conditions. The conversation concludes with actionable insights for listeners looking to create financial freedom through passive income. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V26Rze2S9TM Bullet Point Highlights: Active income is trading time for money, while passive income allows for financial freedom. Investors should focus on the highest and best use of their time. Flipping houses can be tedious and may not be the best use of time for high-income earners. Transitioning to multifamily investments can provide more control and cash flow. Market conditions can significantly impact investment strategies and outcomes. Due diligence is crucial when vetting syndication sponsors and deals. Understanding the underwriting process is essential for passive investors. Building a strong team is vital for success in multifamily investments. Investors should seek to understand the risks associated with their investments. Passive income allows for a lifestyle centered around family and personal interests. Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.188) What's going on, law nation? Welcome to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, your favorite place for learning about the world of alternative passive investments so that you can practice when you want to and not because you have to. Now, if you're ready to kick that billable out of the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com to download the Freedom Blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate investments. All right, let's talk about   the highest and best use of your time. We've talked about active versus passive income and for good reason, they are completely different. They're on opposite sides of the spectrum. When we talk about active income, we're talking about your job as an attorney, as a doctor or a business owner, where you trade your time in for money out. Depending on your skill set, background, education, work ethic, et cetera,   You know, this could be a great use of your time or it could be a terrible one. But when most people think about getting into real estate investing, they're torn. Should you do a fix and flip like you saw on HGTV? Should you invest in a REIT like your financial advisor and Charles Schwab told you to do? Should you buy a single family rental or invest in a syndication? There are endless options so I can understand why it's so confusing. Well, start with this.   ask yourself, what's the highest and best use of my time? If you're thinking about doing an HGTV fix and flip and your partner at a big law firm, for example, is that flip really the best use of your time? And don't be mistaken, a flip is transactional and it is active. So will you make more per hour on that fix and flip than you would at your job?   After you factor in the learning curve, the deal sourcing, the headaches, what it takes away from your job and everything else, it's not even close. Unless you truly love doing it, which some people do, it just doesn't make sense for high income earners. You should be focusing on transforming the income you earn actively into passive income streams. At different levels on the passive scale, that could very well be a single family rental or an Airbnb.   Seth Bradley (02:34.26) or could be passive investments into commercial syndications. But if you truly want to obtain financial freedom as quickly as possible, don't create more time consuming activities that aren't as fruitful as the active income stream that you already have. Focus on passive investments until you are financially free. And then you will have the freedom to transition or not into any   active activity you have a passion for. Today, we have a very special guest, Mr. Jay Scott of Bigger Pocket fame. Jay is an entrepreneur, investor, advisor, and the co-host of the Bigger Pockets Business Podcast. He has bought, built, rehab, sold, syndicated, and held over $70 million in residential property, and currently owns several hundred units. Jay is the author of four bestselling books on real estate investing,   with sales of over 300,000 copies. Get really excited for this, folks. You're in for a treat.   This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of the ultra wealthy on how they build streams of passive income to give them the freedom we all want. Attorney Seth Bradley will help you end the cycle of trading your time for money so you can make money while you sleep. Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's your host, Seth Bradley.   Jay Scott, what's going on, brother? Welcome to the show.   Scott (04:09.196) Thanks. Appreciate you having me here Seth.   Absolutely, man. Appreciate you taking the time out of your day, We've got a little bit of history, but let's jump into your history, man. What's your story? Tell us about your background. Take it back as far you'd like to.   Yeah, I'll keep it short because nobody really cares about what I used to do. So I'm a tech guy by education and former trade. I worked in Silicon Valley for a long time, spent about 15 years doing the engineering thing and the product management thing. 2008 decided to get married. My wife and I, she was in the tech world also. We decided to leave and do something different so we could start a family.   focus on our family. Basically, we were both working ridiculous hours and it just wasn't sustainable if we wanted to start a family. So put our jobs in 2008, moved to the East coast, ended up flipping houses. Long, boring story about how that started, just kind of serendipitous. We didn't really plan it, never really considered real estate, but fell into flipping houses. Over the next eight years or so, we flipped about 400, 450 houses, was great. It ended up being the,   next career we were looking for, it gave us the flexibility to kind of raise our kids and never have to miss a soccer game or a piano recital, which was fantastic. But then around 2017-ish really got burned out on flipping houses and that's when I started to look for some new stuff to do. and that kind of leads me into what I've been doing the last few years.   Seth Bradley (05:41.742) That's awesome, man. That's a ton of houses you flip, man. think that that's, know, a lot of the folks who've been in the game for a long time, they've heard you speak on, you know, on bigger pockets and all of that. So, you know, what attracted you originally to house flipping rather than, you know, buy it holds or anything like that?   So I'll be honest, I don't love real estate. I love business. I'm a business guy. like when I was even when I was in the tech world, I got my MBA and I did some business development and I moved from the engineering side to the product side where I could be more involved in the business stuff. And I'm a business guy by heart. And that's what I love doing. So when it came to flipping houses,   For me, was, I could have been buying and selling anything. It ended up being houses. And again, not an exciting story. mean, literally the story was my wife was watching a show on HGTV with some people flipping houses and she said, let's give that a try. Just as kind of like a fun thing to do on the side while we were waiting for our wedding to come up. So it wasn't something that I ever thought about or planned to do. It just kind of happened.   And so if it weren't flipping houses, it would have been buying and selling something else. would have opened a restaurant or I would have opened a retail store or who knows what I would have done. But for me, the challenge was in the business. It wasn't the real estate piece of it. And so I've always enjoyed the scaling part. So yeah, flipping a house is great. Flipping five houses is great. But I always wanted to know, how do I go from flipping five houses to flipping 50 houses in a year? What are the systems and processes I have to put in place?   how do I build that type of business? That to me is what's exciting. And so for me, it's always been about not the real estate part of it, but about the building the business part of it.   Seth Bradley (07:25.248) I love that man. I don't think I've heard anyone just come out and say that, even though a lot of people are probably in the same boat as you that, you know, you don't have to love real estate to recognize that it's a great business. Right. Yeah. So that that's awesome. So tell me a little bit about your, your transition and what you're doing now, your current business, how you kind of progressed from house living to what you're about to tell us about.   Yeah, so 2017, I just got really burned out on flipping houses. It was good to us financially. We got good at it. I wrote a bunch of books on it, but I'll be honest, it was never fun. And as the years went on, it just ended up getting more tedious. I felt like I wasn't learning anything new. It was revising processes and creating new systems. it was fun, but I needed some new challenges.   So 2017, I decided, okay, done with flipping, actually went and started doing some business stuff. So I do some advisory work for some tech companies. I do some angel investing. And so for a few months, I actually considered getting out of real estate altogether, focusing on other business pursuits. But I actually, what I realized was that I didn't like the nuts and bolts of real estate. I liked the mechanics of real estate.   I loved the negotiation piece. I loved the asset management piece. I loved the putting deals together piece and I was good at it. And so while I really didn't wanna be flipping houses, didn't want to be involved in the day-to-day aspects of managing the projects. I enjoyed the deal part of real estate. And so in addition to that, after I stopped flipping, I had all this cash.   And I was like, okay, what am I going to do with this cash? I was using it to flip houses. We were doing 50 houses a year. It's put a lot of cash to work. Now I had all this cash. I'm a control freak. do invest in other people's syndications, but I don't sleep well at night when all my money is being managed by other people. So I said, how do I kind of take back control of my own cash as well as kind of get back into real estate? What can I do in real estate that I would enjoy? And now I can also deploy a bunch of my own cash. And what I realized was multifamily.   Scott (09:38.648) That was a great opportunity. And I had been thinking about multifamily for a long time. But what I realized was from the syndication side of multifamily, could, one, I could have the control. could be a general partner. could control the deal. I could put the deal together. I could manage the deal. But also I could come in on the limited partner side as an investor. And it was a great place to deploy my capital. So I could deploy my capital in deals that I had full control over. So 2017, I decided I wanted to get into multifamily, probably wanted to get into syndication.   I reached out to a friend of mine, Ashley Wilson, who managed a company called Barred Down Investments. She and her husband had started the company a couple of years earlier. They were doing exactly what I wanted to do. And so I reached out to Ashley and I said, hey, I would love to learn multifamily. I don't expect you to like just take all this time and teach me so I can often be your competitor. But here's what I am willing to do if you're willing to do this. I will come work for you for a year.   And in that year, you've got all my time, you've got all my energy, you've got all my knowledge, you've got all my contacts, I'll put money into your deals, whatever it takes. You mentor me for a year, you've got my commitment for a year. After a year, we can figure out if like, there's a place for me on the team or if I'll go off and do my own thing. But basically, let's work together for a year. And she loved that idea. mean, I think she liked the fact that I was really good with the systems and the processes and the operation stuff.   And I obviously loved the fact that I could jump into a team that was high functioning, already owned a lot of properties and was doing deals. So for the next year, I worked with her team. It took about a year and a half before we finally did a deal. But 2020, just before COVID, we started putting together a deal. That deal went really well. Ashley and I realized that we were like, just we made a great team.   We had a bunch of complimentary skills, the things that she was really good at, I wasn't, the things I was really good at, she wasn't, it was just a good partnership. Around the same time, her husband decided that he didn't really want to be doing real estate anymore. He kind of wanted to be a stay at home dad. He liked helping with the business. He ran the underwriting team and he did a lot of the analytics, but he didn't want to be a partner in the business anymore. So about a year and a half ago, Ashley came to me and said, Hey, would you want to join me and be a partner in the business?   Scott (11:57.678) 2020, 2021-ish. Ashley and I joined forces. She and I now run bar down investments and we do value add multifamily all around the country.   That's great man, said you weren't having fun anymore, you having fun now?   I'm having a ton of fun. And I think the big difference between then and now is when you're flipping houses, flipping houses is a very, it's a solitary venture. Yeah, you have contractors around you and you have eight real estate agents and you have closing agents and lots of 1099 people, lots of vendors and people that come in to help you. But at the end of the day, you're running the show. You're doing the four big things that you do when you flip houses.   you're acquisitions or you're running acquisitions, you're doing the rehab or you're running the rehab, you're doing the disposition or managing the disposition and you're raising the money. mean, all four of those things, you don't generally have a big team to do those things because it's just hard to scale a big team when you're flipping houses. The profits aren't there, the margins aren't there. Unless you're doing real high-end houses, the deal size isn't there. But in multifamily, the thing I love about multifamily is it really is a team sport. When you're doing it,   $10 million deal or a $50 million deal, it's not something that I could ever do myself. It's not something anybody or very few people can do themselves. Typically you have to be part of a team because things are very specialized. mean, the acquisitions piece, you need some of the best acquisitions people in the world to be finding deals in this market. The renovation piece to be renovating a 200 or 400 or 600 unit apartment complex, it's not like flipping a house. You need to have really good systems and processes. need to...   Scott (13:36.448) really know the renovation side of things. Managing the property, I mean, you have to know the asset management side. You have to know how to carry out a business plan. You have to know how to increase and reposition rents. You have to know how to decrease expenses and improve the efficiency of the management. And then on the sales side, that's a whole other world where you have to really know the market and be able to work with the brokers and know how to position the company for sale. And then finally, there's that raising funds piece.   And that's a whole world by itself, whether you're dealing with raising debt through a broker and you're going like just typical, like getting loans, or you're going out to private investors or institutions and you're raising equity, people that come in as partners. And I mean, that's a full-time job in itself, those two things. So when you do multifamily, you really need to figure out what are you great at? And then you need to surround yourself with people who are great at everything else. And so that's what I loved about multifamily. It allowed me to focus on what I was really   and then bring in people who are literally the best in the world at all the other stuff. And now it becomes a team sport. It goes from playing tennis to playing basketball. It goes from being yourself reliant and you have to do everything and be the best versus you have to be able to put together the best team and manage that team in a way that not only is everybody fantastic, but working together, they're better than the sum of their parts.   Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic, man. The whole team game part of multifamily and commercial real estate. It's really interesting because when you get into other businesses, it feels more competitive and kind of like if you if you have the secret sauce, you keep it close to your vest. You don't you don't tell everybody about it. Whereas when you're in this commercial real estate world, everybody's sharing ideas. Everybody's trying to partner. Everybody's trying to see how they can help you rather than just looking about, well, how can you help me kind of?   I call it, I'm gonna get in trouble here, but the Hollywood mentality where it's like, what can you do for me? Oh, you just drive a three series, you probably can't help me. So it's a different attitude.   Scott (15:41.294) Absolutely. I like to refer to it as co-op petition. It's like there are deals that you're going to do with other people and then there deals you're going to do yourself and you may come back to those people later. You may never come back to them, but everybody kind of looks out for each other because you never know when you may end up in a deal with somebody that previously you were competing against. And so anytime that you're not in a deal with somebody, you're still treating them as if, the next deal we could end up being partners. And the deal after that, we could end up being partners.   because it really is, it's a small industry, everybody knows each other. we really, again, going back to the sum of the parts is greater than the parts themselves. mean, working together, we can really do a whole lot more than if we just are purely competitive and try and take each other down.   Yeah, absolutely. And I think kind of going back, there's a lesson to be learned about how you were transitioning from house flipping and you were the best at it. And then you're like, okay, I want to go into multifamily and a syndication. You went and you sought out someone that was already in the game that knew what they were doing, that had the experience. And you said, what can I do to help you? What value can I bring to you to help you so you can teach me what you've done? And there's a lot of value to be found in that lesson for folks that are trying to   you know, get into the active side. A lot of listeners out there are passive investors already and they're, you know, maybe thinking about, maybe I want to do in the active side. And they're like, well, what can I do? Cause a lot of attorneys, especially in doctors and folks like that, they think they have this one track mind. They're only trained to do one thing. And they're like, what value can I provide as somebody else? But there are a lot of skills that you've learned in your W2 profession that you can apply to help other folks that are already in the industry.   Absolutely. I mean, I talk about it a lot, but even outside of real estate, I do a lot of advisory work and I'm still pretty active in the tech world. And I find companies that kind of bridge that gap between technology and real estate. all know about the Zillows and the Airbnb type companies. There are a lot of startup companies in that space too called property technology type companies. so...   Scott (17:46.998) I love to use my experience, my knowledge, my relationships to go into those companies and help them grow their companies. In return, I'm not an employee. I'm not even a 1099 contractor. In return, I'm getting equity so that if I can help make them successful, ultimately my equity is gonna be worth something. I'm gonna be successful as well. And so what I like to tell everybody like figure out what you're good at and then figure out who needs that expertise.   and then figure out how you can offer that expertise in a way that isn't trading necessarily hours for dollars. Figure out how you can trade your expertise, your knowledge, your Rolodex, your whatever it is for equity or potentially passive income so that you can grow potentially many fold as opposed to I charge $200 an hour or $300 an hour. mean, everybody loves $300 an hour, but the minute you stop working, you stop making that money. But if you can get equity, that equity can work for you for a while.   Yeah, absolutely. And it's tough for a lot of the WTs out there listening, they're highly paid professionals. It's tough to get off of that treadmill. For some folks it's easier because they're not making as much money, but for the lawyers, the doctors out there that are making a good amount of money in their profession, it's tough to try to see, you know, to stop trading time for money. But you've got to kind of see through the weeds there.   Yeah, well, what I tell people is, there's two types of income. There's your active income. That's the stuff that you're trading your time for, whether you're a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer or you're a house flipper or you're a consultant or you're a small business owner, whatever it is, that thing that when you stop working, you stop making money. And then there's a passive income. It's the thing you trade money for money. So you put your money out there and hopefully it continues to come back to you for the rest of your life or at least the next several years.   And so what I like to tell people is don't think about those the same. Those are completely different. figure out for your active income, figure out what the highest and best use of your time is. If you're gonna make more money as an attorney than you are flipping houses, don't flip houses just because you eventually want to retire on real estate. You can always use real estate for the passive side of things, but if you're gonna make more dollars per hour as an attorney or a doctor or a consultant, then do that because you wanna get out of that active income as quickly as possible.   Scott (20:05.9) And the way you do that is you make as much as you can and you move it over to the passive side. So focus on whatever it is that's generating the most dollars per hour for a shorter period of time so that you can then start moving that money over to the passive side and start building up the passive side. don't, people ask me all the time, should I flip houses or should I buy rentals? And I'm constantly telling them that's not the right question. Flipping houses is your active income. Compare that to all the other.   potential active incomes you can have. And rentals is passive income. Compare that to all the other passive investments you can make. And so don't say flipping houses or rentals say, should I be flipping houses or should I be an attorney? And don't say, I be flipping houses or rentals say, should I be doing rentals or should I be investing in syndications or dividend generating stocks or something else? And think of them very differently. then secondly,   Make sure as much of that active income as you can, move it over the passive side so that you can start that snowball rolling. I compound interest is the key to financial freedom. And the sooner you can put more money to work, the faster it'll compound and the sooner you can start to live on.   Yeah, I love that man. mean, lot of folks, you know, calls that I take, they're like, hey, they're attorneys. Should I quit my job or how do I quit my job? I'm like, if you want to quit your job, don't be hasty about it. First of all, you're probably making a good amount of money in your active income. You just need to figure out a way to transition that active to passive income and don't just quit your job. It's very difficult to flip houses, to do an HGTV fix and flip while you're working at a big law firm or something like that full time.   I tried to do it, I didn't do it very well. You're not even gonna make it nearly as much money as you would as a doctor, as an attorney, unless you get to level like you did, Jay, but that takes time and that takes a buildup of accumulation of skills and money to be able to get to that level.   Scott (22:05.826) Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a math equation. mean, your passive income or your ability to build up enough income to be able to retire, whatever your number is, is based on how much can you put in per month into that wheel, that passive income growth machine? How much are you generating every year on what you're putting in? So what do your returns look like? And three, how long do you have to compound it?   And so everybody can go out into a compound interest calculator and say, okay, I have $5,000 a month that I can invest passively and I can return 12 % per year and I need $6 million to retire. Well, based on those three numbers, you can now figure out that fourth variable, is how long is it going to take? And so figure out how much do you have per month to put in? What's the rate of return you can generate and how much do you need? And that'll tell you how long it's going to take or   figure out how much you have to put in, how much your return is gonna be and how long you wanna spend. And that'll tell you how much you'll end up with at the end, either way you wanna look at it. But again, it's a pretty simple math equation, but too many people don't actually do that equation where they don't think about it until too late and they think, I wish I would have taken that $5,000 a month that I was spending on my second home in the Bahamas and put that into real estate so that I could have been.   compounding it and so now I could buy that home for cash five years or 10 years later.   Absolutely. Attorneys hate math, but I think they can handle that little equation. I want to take a step back for a minute because you got into house flipping in 2008, which is kind of like around the big crash. And now we're kind of at the height of a market. We don't know where that height is going to end, but we're definitely in it. Right. So can you maybe compare and contrast getting into, let's say,   Seth Bradley (24:01.652) one real estate venture in the middle of a crash compared to getting into another venture kind of towards, towards the upswing.   Yeah, so it's one of the reasons I like multifamily and I like commercial and I like syndication. Anytime you're doing purely transactional deals, buying something and then selling it, not generating any cashflow in between, you run a risk. If the market turns in the middle of the transaction, you're gonna lose money and you don't have a lot of ways to mitigate that risk.   Whereas if you're buying something like an apartment complex, or even if you're buying a rental property, or you're buying a self-storage complex, or you're buying anything that cash flows, the nice thing is if the market turns, you may not be in a great position. You may not be thrilled with what's happening with the value of your assets, but if you're still generating cash flow, you can weather that storm. Maybe it's gonna take, the average recession lasts about 18 months. And so if you can make enough income that you can keep yourself afloat for 18 months, or maybe   it's a horrible recession and it lasts three or four years. If you're still making income and you can keep yourself afloat for three or four years, the market's gonna come back. And so when we do our multifamily deals, yeah, we typically say we're planning to hold three to five years, but we also do all the underwriting to ensure that if we have to hold for six years or eight years or even nine or 10 years, that the numbers still work because.   Again, who knows what's gonna happen three years down the road, we could have a major recession that lasts four years and now we're seven years down the road. I wanna know that my multifamily investments in seven years, they're probably gonna be producing more cashflow. We're probably gonna see more growth in terms of population. We're probably gonna see more growth in terms of employment. Hopefully we're gonna see more wage growth once we come out of that recession. So all the economic indicators that kind of lead towards value growth in multifamily,   Scott (25:58.486) are going to happen over those seven years if I can just get my property seven years and not lose it. With a flip, well, I'm not generating any income. So if the bank calls the loan due or if my two-year loan comes due and I can't refinance, I'm screwed. But in a multifamily, I just waited an extra couple of years and I'm probably in a better position than I was anyway. So that's one of the reasons I love multifamily because we can't predict   what the economy is gonna do in the next couple of years. But I do know that whatever the economy does, it's probably gonna come back in the next five or 10, and I'm still gonna have the problem.   Yeah, yeah, that's great. That kind of rolls into this next question. How does a passive investor that's kind of vetting a sponsor, how do they check kind of the boxes to see if their sponsors are taking the extra measures to look into those risks that you just mentioned, to mitigating those risks, to taking those risks into account in their underwriting and things like that. How can they best vet the sponsor to make sure that they're thinking of those things?   So I invest in a lot of other people's syndications as well as my own. And so when I do that, I kind of look at five areas for due diligence anytime I invest in a syndication. Number one is the team. And that's probably the most important thing. For a lot of people, I have been pleasantly surprised that a lot of our investors have recognized that team is the most important aspect of the deal. I know in the flipping world, everybody was concerned about the deal. Nobody cared about   what was my experience, but in the multifamily world, a lot of investors recognize that the team has to be great. So number one is the team. Number two is location. Location is often overlooked, but at the end of the day, the thing that's gonna drive value for multifamily and for commercial real estate in general is gonna be population growth. So you want more people coming into an area, employment growth. So you want more employers coming into an area that will bring more people in. You want wage growth because that will ultimately drive rents up.   Scott (28:06.082) and you want employment diversity. You wanna know that if one industry takes a big hit, so for example, we invest in Houston, but we won't invest in the energy corridor of Houston because it's so reliant on oil and gas, that if the oil and gas industry took a big hit, the real estate around there would probably take a big hit. So we wanna see that there's good employment diversity. But at the end of the day, location is that next big thing. So team, location, number three is the deal itself.   So you need to know that the deal is gonna stand on its own. I wanna know that if I took a deal and I handed it to pretty much any other indicator, they couldn't mess it up too badly. Obviously, again, we're gonna go back to the team is super important, but I want the deal also to stand on its own. And I wanna know that the business plan for the deal, the hold period, the numbers and the underwriting, the pro forma for the property makes sense. So team location deal.   Number four is the returns. So obviously when I invest with somebody, I'm in it for the money. And so I wanna see that the returns are commensurate with the risk. I wanna know that the returns, if somebody tells me I'm gonna get 10 % returns in this deal versus 20 % returns in another deal, I wanna know, well, why am gonna settle for lower returns? I want the answer to be because it's a lot lower risk or because you're gonna get your money back a lot sooner, which is gonna allow you to compound it or whatever the answer is.   I want to know that the returns make sense given everything else. And then finally is the risks. At the end of the day, I'm always going to sit down with the syndicator and I'm going to say, what are you most concerned about here? Like where, if I'm going to lose money on this deal, where am I most likely going to lose money? They say, there's no shot of losing money. walk away because we all know every deal has risks and every syndicator knows what those risks are. And they're thinking about those risks. I just want them to tell me.   So if I'm gonna lose money on this deal, where am I most likely? Why am I most likely to lose money if I'm going to lose money? So those are the five things that I look for. Talking about each individually a little bit more. the team, I like to know that one, I wanna see how many deals the team has done together because again, like a basketball team, you can put the best basketball players in the world together. And if they've never played on the court together,   Scott (30:31.672) they're not gonna be necessarily the best team out there. You can find another team with five inferior players who have been playing together for 20 years and they're probably gonna be better because they know each other better. So I like to see teams that have worked together for a while. I like to see teams that have gone full cycle in deals. So it's easy to buy 10,000 units. It's hard to buy 10,000 units and also sell 10,000 units for a profit. So I wanna see that if a team has bought a lot of deals, they've at least sold some for a profit.   I wanna see a team that's putting their own money in the deals. So I want people that have skin in the game. If they don't have skin in the game, and I've seen plenty of syndicators that don't like to put money in the deals, well, they need to sweeten the pot for me somehow. So maybe they're saying, we're not gonna take any profits until at least year three, or we're gonna give you a better preferred return, a better split than you would get if we were putting money in the deal. I wanna know if you're not putting money in.   that you're at least giving me something that aligns our interests and ensures that you're gonna be working hard even though you might not have as much financial risk. So those are the types of things I like to see in the team. I like to see things like at least one or two people working full-time. If everybody's part-time, that's kind of a little bit scary. Obviously not everybody has to be full-time because there are a lot of jobs on a GP team that aren't full-time jobs. There are a lot of jobs that might stop the day you purchase the property. Like the person that's raising money, job's   pretty much done other than communicating status when the property's been purchased. But I do want to know that whoever's managing the asset is doing it full time. So that's kind of the team stuff. Location, again, population growth, employment growth, wage growth, and employment diversity. So those are the four big things I look for. Next is the business plan. So I want to see the biggest question when somebody goes in and...   does what I do, which is a value add multifamily. Basically they buy it, they raise the value of the property and then they sell it for a big profit. Where is that profit coming from? Generally the profits coming from raising the rents. There's also some lowering the expenses, but at the end of the day, raising the rents is kind of the big thing that's gonna generate the big profits in multifamily. And so I wanna know how are you raising the rents? And two, when you tell me that you're raising the rents from X to Y, where is Y coming from?   Scott (32:55.182) Show me the comps that tell me that why is a reasonable new rent, market rent for this property after you've done the renovation. So I wanna see the comps. So that's kind of the deal. The returns speaks for themselves. I wanna see like the structure of the deal. So when's the money coming back to me? Is it paid monthly? Is it paid quarterly? What are the returns look like? What's the preferred return? So is it a low preferred return, which means   that the syndicators are getting paid sooner, whereas at a higher preferred return, which means the syndicators have to do more for me before they take anything home. So that speaks for themselves. And then for the risks, I wanna know both the catastrophic risks. So what's the thing that's like going to make me lose all my money? Is there something out there that can cause me to lose all my money? Hopefully the answer is no, but there are probably some risks that are bigger than others. So we do a lot of deals in Houston. If somebody were to say to me, what's the biggest risk on your deals?   The answer is generally going to be weather. If we have a really bad hurricane, if we're in a flood zone, we probably have flood insurance and we have hurricane insurance. But if it's in a place that's never experienced the negative impacts of a flood or a hurricane, and we are not required to have flood insurance, but there's still a massive hurricane that wipes out that property, that's not going to be good. We're going to have to pay for that ourselves. So what's our mitigation there? We don't have a great one. Luckily.   the risk is really low. We don't buy in areas where there is that risk. And if there is, we're gonna get flood insurance. But I do want my investors to know that no matter where you invest, whether it's a risk and especially in Houston, if we see a storm bigger than anything we've seen the last 50 years, some of our properties could be at risk. And then there are the smaller risks. So maybe there's five other complexes being renovated all around us. Maybe there's class A, brand new class A being developed.   all around us. So basically our absorption of units is going to slow down because there's so many more units. Maybe there's one big employer in the area. Amazon just built a warehouse that's employing 8,000 people. Well, what happens if Amazon has a bad year and has to lay off 4,000 of those people? How's that going to affect us? So, so risks is the next thing. And the way I approach it is I literally sit down with the, with the syndicator and say,   Scott (35:15.554) What keeps you up at night? What are the biggest things you're concerned about? And so those are the things that I do. I have no problem basically saying to a syndicator, I need 15 or 30 minutes of your time to ask these questions. Typically the good ones will either find the times themselves or have somebody on their team that will sit down and answer these questions. If they're not willing to answer those questions, well, that's probably a good indication that that's not a good team.   Yeah. For our listeners out there, that breakdown was incredible. Rewind that, listen to those five items again. That's a quick, but thorough and awesome rundown of what you need to do. Just as at least the starting points for your due diligence. And that's, that's great that you said if they won't book a call with you either themselves or an investor relations person on their team, then it's time to, you can just walk away and look at the next, look at the next deal. One question I had on the deal.   So a lot of folks, it's kind of overwhelming to see an underwriting model or something like that. And being a passive investor, I don't know how much you even want to dive into it. Some people do, some people want to nerd out on it. Most people don't. And we don't generally have access to the T12 or the rent roll or anything like that. What are maybe some quick tips on how to maybe proof through that pro forma to make sure that the assumptions are reasonable and the pro forma is generally   a reasonable prediction of what we might expect from that investment.   Well, let me start, me take a step back before I answer that particular question and just say that even for you and me, mean, you know how to do an underwriting, I know how to do an underwriting. If you or I were gonna invest in somebody's deal, Joe Smith's deal, we're probably not gonna have enough information even though we know this business really well and we know the underwriting models really well, we're probably not gonna have enough information.   Scott (37:08.908) that we're going to be able to know for certain that Joe Smith's not trying to scam us out of money. So if Joe Smith is really smart and he could probably put together an underwriting that could fool us because we're just not gonna be putting in as many dozens of hours underwriting as he and his team are. So the number one thing I would say is make sure you trust your syndicate. This goes back to why team is so important.   because there's two types of things that Joe Smith can do. One, he could do a bad job of underwriting and come up with bad numbers. That's not good, but that's not nearly as bad as Joe Smith wanting to scam us out of money. So number one is make sure Joe Smith's not the kind of guy who wants to scam us out of money. And so work with people who are reputable. And that's why I would invest with you before I would invest with 95 % of syndicators out there because you're an attorney, you passed the bar.   you know that if you go and somebody finds out that you're trying to scam somebody, well, you're putting your entire career at risk. And so what I tell people is, so what do you have that really proves that this person is on the up and up? And maybe it's a track record. Maybe it's 10 or 15 years of doing deals. Maybe it's, I like to think with me, I've been doing this business for 15 years. I've done thousands of deals with hundreds or thousands of people.   And if you go out on the internet, nobody's gonna, you're not gonna find anything that's written negatively about me. So that's a good sign. But make sure that there's something out there that gives you faith in that syndicator, even if it's just somebody else that's invested in a couple of deals with them. So that's number one. So that's the way to rule out that catastrophic, they're trying to scam you risk. Then there's the more likely, what if they just didn't do a good job of underwriting risk?   And so for that, would say for people that have very little knowledge of how the underwriting works and how the numbers work, it can be really difficult. And so what I like to do is, or what I recommend people do is sit down and ask to do a Zoom call for 15 minutes with the investor relations person and say, hey, will you kind of walk me through the high level underwriting? And at least force them to go through and then just ask questions.   Scott (39:30.958) when they say something, even if you have no idea what you're talking about and they say, well, it looks like we're gonna be able to reduce expenses by implementing a rub system, blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay, well, what is rubs and how does that work? And at least make them explain it to you. At least then you'll get an idea that they're not making it up as they're going along, or at least you'll get that confidence that it sounds like they know what they're talking about. But the biggest thing that I would say is that whole comps thing.   And this is a question that a lot of people don't like to ask. But I actually, and when people ask me this question, it always makes me nervous because it's the hardest part of the business, but it impresses me when people do. to the underwriting or the investor relations person, what are the comps that you used for your post renovation market rents? So again, the thing that drives values in multifamily is after the renovation is completed, in theory, you should be able to bring your rents up higher.   and your rents, those higher rents, you should be able to figure out what they are by looking at other units that have already been renovated and seeing what their rents are. So if I buy one, two, three Main Street, and I know I'm going to put $8 million into it, well, now that property is going to comp out to 678 Main Street. And well, what are the rents at 678 Main Street? And so by asking, hey, so you're buying one, two, three Main Street, what are the comps for the rents after you renovate?   and they tell you, it's going to be 678 Main Street and 123 Smith Street, whatever it is, you can then go look up those properties and say, okay, well, it looks like a two bedroom at those properties is renting for 1200. Now I go back to the investor relations person or whatever information they gave me I see, oh, okay, after renovation, they have their rents at 1200. Makes sense. If that's a reasonable comp, they now have the rents at kind of where they should be.   If he says that six, seven, eight main streets, a comp, and you go look in a two bedroom at six, seven, eight main streets, 1200, but their underwriting tells you that after they do the renovation, they're going to be charging 1500. Well, why are you now $300 above this property that you said was a comp? And so that to me is kind of the first thing that I look at or the biggest thing I look at is what are the comps that they're using and does just a kind of first pass.   Scott (41:57.762) jumping on apartments.com or calling the complex and asking them what different things rent for. Does that coincide with what they're telling you their post renovation rents are gonna   Yeah, I love that man. I mean, it's not as simple as just going into an old dilapidated apartment building and saying, I'm to put granite countertops and hardwood flooring and stainless steel appliances in there. And then I'm going to triple the rent or double the rent. It's not that easy. If it's not in the right area that could support those, those market rents or that have potential tenants that want those types of things, it doesn't work. So that's why that's so important to check those comps to see what's around those apartments that you're going to be investing in to see if, they can achieve those.   those proforma rents. All right, man, before we jump into the freedom four, what's one last gold nugget for our listeners?   Absolutely.   Scott (42:45.634) Yeah, so again, what I would tell people is figure out your highest and best use on your active side. And then for the passive side, figure out how you're gonna scale. And I know a lot of people like to invest in a whole lot of different things, but I'm a big fan of doing some work so that you don't have to diversify as much. Diversification is great, but diversification,   is for people who aren't really an expert in anything. If you want to get your best returns, the way to get your highest level of returns is not to have to diversify. And the best way not to have to diversify is to get knowledgeable about whatever you're investing in. So if you decide you wanna invest in all your syndications, just cause that's what you and I do. So it's an easy example. If you want to invest in syndications and that's how you wanna grow your nest egg, my recommendation is,   get as much information about syndications as you can. Pick up a good book on syndications. Go find somebody that does syndications and say, hey, I'd to pay you a thousand bucks for five hours of your time. Or you just to walk me through what a typical deal looks like or what the underwriting looks like. Or go sit in on a hundred multifamily syndication investor videos, presentations. So you can see all the different things they're talking about and become as much of an expert there as you can. So that way you're reducing your risk without having to do a lot of the.   diversification. So focus on whatever your highest and best use of time is on your active income and then become as knowledgeable as you can for whatever you're investing in passively. What I like to say on the passive side is it's not truly passive. Nothing's truly passive. But the best investments are the one where all the work is done upfront. You do your due diligence and then it becomes passive.   Yeah, that's awesome, man. And then what you can do though is diversify within that strategy, right? Absolutely. Yeah, different asset types can have different business strategy, value add, or maybe you're dealing with just a class A where you're chasing yield or across different cities, different geographies, or across different sponsorship teams. There's other ways to diversify within that same type of investment strategy. Yep. All right, man, let's jump into the Freedom 4.   Scott (45:05.598) It's time for the Freedom Four.   What's the best thing you do to keep your mind and body healthy?   So for me, it's admitting when I need a break. I know so many people that it's a badge of honor to work 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, never take a vacation. I'm just the opposite. If I wake up one morning and I'm tired and I don't feel like working and I don't feel like I'm gonna be productive, I will grab a book. I might even turn on the TV. I might say to my wife, hey, let's go to breakfast or let's go spend the day, let's go to a movie.   And I have no qualms with just saying, I need a break today. Today's not gonna be a productive day. I don't need to pretend to work just so I can have that badge of honor that I work hard. And so, yeah, and that's one of the nice things about real estate. mean, I don't have a hundred percent flexible work-life balance. I can't do anything I want any time I want, but if I wanna take a couple hours off, I normally can. And so I'm not scared to do that.   Yeah, yeah, that's a great answer. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   Scott (46:15.734) Yeah, I still have a lot of them. I think we all do. But I'd say the biggest one is that doing a big deal is not that much harder than doing a little deal. I'm not going to say a hundred million dollar deal is just as easy as a hundred thousand dollar deal. But if you're smart enough to do a hundred thousand dollar deal, you're smart enough to do a hundred million dollar deal. And the people that are out there doing those hundred million dollar deals, mean, we have, we now have a hundred million dollars assets under management.   I remember a couple of years ago, looking at the people that had nine figures under management and thinking, they're different. I can't do that. These are people, went to some school that I will never go to, or they were born into something that I was never born into, or they know people I don't know, or whatever it is. No, they're normal people. And the only difference between them and me was I wasn't thinking big enough.   and I wasn't willing to take some risks and I wasn't willing to acknowledge the fact that doing again, a hundred million dollar deal is certainly within my capabilities. So that to me has been probably the biggest one and it's made it a lot easier for me now to say, okay, $50 million deal, let's go do it, not think twice.   Yeah. I had a similar experience working in, in, big law, doing house flips, doing single family rentals, things like that. And even though my clients are doing 50, a hundred million dollar deals and I'm helping them close those deals, it was just like the mindset shift that, a minute, I can do those deals too. I'm actually giving them advice on how to, how to do this thing. I need to step up my game and, and, take some.   Exactly, it's the difference between people doing a hundred million, a hundred thousand, it's all mindset.   Seth Bradley (48:00.866) Yep, absolutely. What's one actual step our listeners can do right now to start creating more freedom.   take action. So the biggest thing that I see stopping people is just this fear to take the first step. And I know this doesn't apply to a lot of your listeners, but I talked to a lot of people who want to get into house flipping or they want to get into rentals and they've been thinking about it for years and they just never take that first step and then they end up giving up. One of the the few truisms I see in this business   is that there are two types of people I meet. Number one, I meet people that have never done a deal. They've done zero deals. And maybe they're still working on it. Maybe they've given up whatever it is, but they've done zero deals. And then the other type of people I meet in this business are people that have done a lot of deals. They've done five or 10 or 20 or 50 deals. There's one type of person I never ever meet in this business. And that's somebody that's done one deal. Because if you get that one deal, you're gonna get the second and the third and the fifth and the tenth.   Nobody does one deal and then says, okay, that's it, I'm done. can't do this. So what I like to tell people is, and that applies to a lot of things in life. If you can get over the hump and do it once, you're gonna get that snowball effect and it gets easier the second time. It gets even easier the third, it gets even easier the hundred. So don't give up until you achieve that first step or that first iteration of whatever it is you wanna achieve because that's gonna get that snowball rolling.   Yeah. Yeah. We preach that on their show all the time. Just like, you know, just do a deal, just invest in a deal so you can get that experience and it'll just kind of open up your mind to other opportunities. You'll just see opportunity all around you. Once you just do one deal last but not least, how it's passive income made your life better.   Scott (49:51.886) Passive income has given me the ability and the confidence to raise a family. Before this, my biggest concern with raising a family was I didn't want to be, I had, my parents were great, but my parents were always working. And I didn't want to be the same type of father that my parents were. Again, they were fantastic, but I wanted to always be there. I wanted to be at every soccer game, every piano recital.   I wanted to be able to go into school for the parent-teacher conferences. so passive income has really given me the ability to build my life around my family as opposed to building my life around   Love that, love that. It's been fantastic, brother. We're gonna listen and find out more about you.   Yeah, anybody wants to get more info, go to www.connectwithjscott, just letter J, Scott, connectwithjscott.com, and that'll link you out to everything you might wanna find.   Awesome man. Talk soon.   Scott (50:54.945) Awesome. Thanks,   All right, Mr. Jay Scott from Master House Flipper to multifamily syndicator. He's a master of creating profitable, well-oiled business machines. I've been reading Jay's bigger pockets books for years and it's awesome to have the opportunity to have him on the show today. Major key, focus. Focus on transitioning your active income to passive income and don't get distracted. All right, if you're ready for a change, you're ready to take action.   partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals. Go to passiveincomeattorney.com and join our Esquire Passive Investor Club. 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Title: The Unconventional Investor: Why Following the Crowd is Costing You Millions With M.C. Laubscher Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley welcomes back MC Lobster, a cashflow investor and entrepreneur. They discuss the importance of diversification in income streams, exploring various investment vehicles beyond traditional methods. MC shares insights from his journey from South Africa to the U.S., emphasizing the opportunities available for those willing to take action. The conversation covers innovative cashflow niches, including agriculture, energy, life settlements, and music royalties, as well as strategies for achieving financial freedom. MC highlights the mindset necessary for successful investing and the importance of accountability in personal and financial growth. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3UR8G3eWU Bullet Point Highlights: Mikkel Thorpe helps people relocate overseas and navigate tax issues. The expat lifestyle offers freedom and adventure beyond traditional living. Second residencies provide legal rights to live and work in another country. Tax benefits for U.S. citizens living abroad include the foreign earned income exclusion. Investing in real estate can provide both residency benefits and financial returns. Personal responsibility is crucial for achieving financial independence. Mikkel emphasizes the importance of emotional support during relocation. Countries like Panama offer favorable tax situations for expats. Understanding the legal obligations of living abroad is essential for compliance. Exploring different cultures can lead to personal growth and new opportunities. Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.572) What's going on y'all. Welcome back to a new episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast. Of course, your favorite place for learning about the world of alternative passive investing so that you can have more freedom, flexibility, and fun. Now, if you're ready to kick that billable out of the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com and download the Freedom Blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals, which we'd love to have you on board for.   to help you on your journey to financial freedom. All right, today, let's talk about diversification in a particular way though. Let's talk about the different ways that you can make money. There are so many different ways. Unfortunately, for most of us, we have it in our heads that there's only one way. For my attorneys out there, well,   We just do our attorney thing and that's how we get paid. We have one stream of income, one active stream. Maybe we save for retirement through a 401k or we buy some stocks and bonds or play around on Robinhood or something like that. But we don't think about all the other ways that we can make money. If you've listened to my show before, I've had so many attorneys on here that have leveraged their knowledge, their background, their experience, their education as an attorney.   to catapult them in other aspects of life, in other avenues of business so that they can create multiple streams of income, whether that's through starting a side business, a side hustle, which eventually might become their full-time hustle or investing in real estate, both passively and or actively. There are so many different ways to make money, but there's more ways than just the things that we've talked about so far. There are so many different ways and there's no magic pill.   Right now we talk about syndications a lot on this show, but it's not a magic pill. I'm not preaching to you and telling you if you don't invest in a syndication or invest in syndications, then you're not going to become wealthy or that investing in real estate is the only way to become wealthy. It's not, it's a tried and proven way to become wealthy. And it's my favorite way and a lot of my guests favorite way, but it's not the only way.   Seth Bradley (02:30.814) And our guest today, MC Lobster, who is no stranger to this show. He's been on here before. He's actually our first repeat guest. but I love chatting with him. He's such a great guy. So knowledgeable. he is a true expert at this idea of diversification across so many different types of income that you can create for yourself. And he's on here on the show today, especially to talk about his new book, the 21 best cashflow niches, where we'll   jump into what some of those are. Some of these things you've probably never even heard about. We'll talk about life insurance contracts. We'll talk about agriculture, energy, of course, real estate and all of those things. But inside you, you'll get some new ideas about things that you never even thought you could invest in. MC Lobster is a cashflow investor and a serial entrepreneur. He's the creator and host of the top rated business and investing podcast, the cashflow Ninja.   which has been downloaded over 3 million times in over 180 countries. He's also the president and CEO of Producers Wealth, a virtual wealth creation firm that assists investors and business owners to set up and implement infinite banking. All right, without further ado, the one, the only MC Lobster, let's go. This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast.   where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of the ultra wealthy on how they build streams of passive income to give them the freedom we all want. Attorney Seth Bradley will help you end the cycle of trading your time for money so you can make money while you sleep. Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's your host, Seth Bradley. MC Lobster, what's going on, brother? Welcome to the show.   Great to be back. Great to connect. Looking forward to our conversation.   Seth Bradley (04:25.71) Absolutely, man. You are my first repeat guest. So you have that honor. Awesome, man. Well, for our listeners that haven't heard you on the first episode, maybe just give a quick rundown of a little bit about your background and who you are and, you know, where you come from and all that kind of stuff,   Definitely honored.   M.C Laubscher (04:46.542) Yeah, originally from South Africa, came to the US in 2001 and just blown away with the opportunity in this in this country. I mean, there's literally no place with the upward mobility like the US. You can literally start here with absolutely nothing, which is what I did. Basically a backpack, a suitcase, five hundred bucks, sense of humor, sense of adventure. And I'm an entrepreneur investor. I've started several companies.   failed at a lot of them, they had a lot of success in some of them. I've been an investor since 2001 in real estate. And I have a couple of companies, people know me for the Cash Loan Ninja, which is a podcast that I started six years ago, which has turned into a full blown financial education company. We have podcasts, tools, resources, programs, and now books. And then also,   know, I have a company called Producers Wealth. We help folks all across the United States. In 49 states, set up infinite banking, a cashflow management strategy utilizing an insurance product. And then I also have a company where we do a lot of syndications in the resort and multifamily space called Producers Capital Partners. But I love cashflow. I love talking about cashflow, creating it.   positioning it efficiently and managing it and then multiplying it. So everything cashflow gets me excited.   Is that all you got going on, man?   M.C Laubscher (06:20.8) You know, throw throw throw a family that's very active and love to do stuff in there. I've got a beautiful wife and two young kids to all one for an off and three boy and a girl. So you can just imagine the energy there. So a full time job almost by itself, right?   That's   All right. Yeah. So many hours in the day, man. I don't know how you do it. I know how you do it. I love what you said about upward mobility, man. And I think we take that for granted in the US. So how is that different in other countries for us? don't even think about that sort of thing.   Yeah, so I grew up in South Africa and then I was fortunate enough, I traveled to a number of African countries and then I also traveled to a number of European countries, Latin American countries and Asian countries. And I don't think people realize, like if you're born in the United States, you literally won a lottery ticket. I it's I don't know how else to say it. When I got here, I looked at this and I'm like, wait a second. So there's not really like you could, mean,   You just bring your game, you start where you're at and the sky's the limit where, you know, it's very tough in certain countries. Let's just use Africa as an example, you know, in South Africa, the lack of infrastructure, supportive infrastructure for somebody starting there and maybe folks from other countries can relate like in Brazil is probably the same, a of Latin American countries that don't have the same infrastructure that's in the States. So let's just say you are,   M.C Laubscher (07:53.614) you're born on the lowest economic rung. That happens to folks, right? If you're born in the United States, well, you still have access to stuff. You could go to a library, jump on a computer, learn skills, there's public schools. When you're born in a shanty town in South Africa or in a favela in Brazil, you don't have the same access. And also when you come here, literally,   I mean, you look at all the rags to reach the stories and, funnily enough, a lot of it is immigrants. You see it, a lot of immigrants rise to the top because most of them, whether they're from Africa, the Middle East, Eastern European countries, Latin America, that's kind of what they experienced too. And I've had conversations with them too where they're like, man, you could do anything you want to here. There's nothing holding you back.   and the sky is limit. It's not even the limit. You could go to space if you want like Elon. no, it's an incredible place. It still is. We live in an incredible time in the US is an incredible country, where, you know, it's all what you make of it, and all how you approach it, right?   Yeah, for sure. mean, it's kind of like, the access to information, the access to technology, the access to education. I know that's kind of a, you know, we fight about that all the time, but we have access to those things up to a certain point for free. Whereas other places do not have that access to information, technology, education. And that in itself gives you power. Knowledge is power. It's not just a saying.   Yeah, think think about the time that we live in. Who is it? Who is in Star Trek? Was it like Buck Rogers or Captain Kirk? Was Captain Kirk the guy? So, I mean, I still remember and we had very little TV. I grew up inside everywhere. We had like two TV channels, but one of them had like Star Trek episodes on. And I still remember like he would press a button and talk to someone on the telly on like a like a television screen.   M.C Laubscher (10:01.082) and I always saw, man, that's, that's, it's so cool. They're not even the same galaxy at that stage, but they're talking to one another. I like they're in the same room. We have access to that. And for most part, it's free. We have like access to star Trek technology in the time that we live in for base, for, most, for the most part, it's free. So you have a smartphone and.   you have some service or an internet connection, you're good to go. yeah, and again, the technology, which, you know, it's the frenemy. It's your friend and it's the enemy. It's a frenemy. But for the most part, if you approach it right and utilize it right, now a lot of the opportunities, when I came here in about 2001,   It was just around the internet kind of boom. So most people didn't really know what was happening there yet, but now everybody's in it. and all over the world. So a lot of the opportunity that only existed in the U.S. then too, are now available in other areas for folks to start online businesses and that kind of stuff globally. You know, to bring it back with Africa, I see on my last visit, and it's been a while ago, but I just remember seeing folks walking around with smartphones and that's all they transected bank.   They do everything on their smartphones. They have SIM cards and they buy like airtime. And I'm like, man, what you could do with a smartphone these days. It's quite incredible. So it's starting to open up in other places. yeah, you know, it's quite, we live in remarkable times and sometimes I don't think we appreciate it because we're so used to it. It's like, man, why is my internet taking so long to get on? I'm like, does anybody remember dial-up?   You know, it's like. Yeah, it will dial up, man. It's like, yeah, if we click on a link on our phone or click on a link on our computer and it takes more than like, you know, a snap, we're just like, what is going on? This is ridiculous. I can't get anything done. like, well, what did you get done when you didn't have that?   M.C Laubscher (12:09.986) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As like I said, before I came to the States, I remember we had dial up and I would add to download emails. So you would start at dial up and you would basically hit start for your emails to download and you would go and grab a cup of coffee and do whatever you have to do. And like 20, 30 minutes later, your emails would have been downloaded. That's so now it's, it's like this and everything moves quicker, right? So you can, you can disrupt slow, archaic,   markets in any asset class really, really quickly with technology and boy, there's some dinosaurs, especially in the markets that we were operating, real estate being one of them. And I'm in insurance too, mean, both very, very big dinosaurs that's ready for disruption.   Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about some of those things that you invest in. know you're pretty famous for infinite banking and also in commercial real estate. mean, what are some of the things that, are some of the best vehicles to invest in that you're seeing today and how has that maybe changed recently? I, and I asked that because there's a lot of people out there, you know, they'll listen to one podcast, right? And it'll just be like, you have to do this. If you don't do this one thing, if you don't take this one magic pill,   You're never going to be able to retire, achieve financial freedom, but we all know that that's not true. Hopefully we all know that, but what are, what are some of the investment vehicles that you love and why?   Yeah, I love what you just said. It's the maximalist approach, right? It's because I made my money in single family real estate that that's the only way to do it or multifamily or so. And that's why my show is to just get as many different ideas in business and real estate and commodities, paper assets. We covered crypto and blockchain since 2016, as I thought was was pretty exciting then. Now it's like out of control. But   M.C Laubscher (14:07.562) Actually, this ties into one of the reasons why I wrote my latest book, because most people would say, MC, you've interviewed like the best minds of business and investing and all these different opinions on your show, which was very funny in the beginning because we're so used to echo chambers. You know, I didn't want an echo chamber. So I would have someone on, for example, that hates Bitcoin. And then was someone on that loves it. And that's the only thing. And people are like, I don't understand. I'm like, yeah, you have to you're both sides of the argument.   and then to make a decision. But yeah, I wrote the 21 base cashflow niches, the book where I share, you know, the top 21 that's been shared on my show and I threw in five bonus ones there, but you know, as a marketer, 26 doesn't set as well as 21, right? It's funny how psychology works. Seven's good, 10, 20, 21. And then you gotta go to 50, I guess, or 100 off to that, right?   But anyway, 21 is what I used for the name of the book. Yeah, I mean, there's incredible niches that I don't think people think about. When you invest too, you know, this is just what I've done and I just share what I do. I eat my own cooking without throwing up. But what I initially did when I built the cashflow portfolio is I was very clear on what I was trying to accomplish with each investment. So what do I mean by that? So some investments you're going to buy,   that's going to be tax favorable, right? A little bit of light on the cash flow maybe, good on appreciation or a little bit light there, but really good on taxes. Then there's certain investments that's very strong on cash flow, okay on the taxes and good on appreciation. And then there's some that's purely on appreciation, okay on taxes and okay on cash flow, but it's really driven by the appreciation. And then there's some that   that's really good on all three. Knocks out a ton of taxes, great cash flow and appreciation like real estate is one of those assets that does that. So you have to be very clear when you build out a portfolio and I would advise just this is what I'm doing in the time that we're living in today that you have diversified income streams within a cashflow portfolio because we're living, mean, again, during times of great change   M.C Laubscher (16:29.25) There's going to be disruption. There's going to be chaos. You don't want to be in one. You don't want to put all of your eggs just in one basket. And that's you know, that's the horse that's going to win you the Kentucky Derby. You got to have a stable of horses and have many access to many different income streams. So what are some of the what are some of the coolest ones that I've seen? There are some some, know, if you're looking for taxes, there's some great plays and energy, great plays.   Disclaimer, not a tax accountant or CPA, but when you invest oil and gas, different energy projects, there's a very, very, very good tax incentives from a strong cash flow and so forth. So that's a great tax strategy, by the way, to offset active income, not just only passive income. If you do it properly and you're investing in it. And by the way, in case anybody hasn't checked energy prices.   It's just skyrocket. Try and put gas in wherever you are right now. So energy prices has a great appreciation with inflation, great cash flow and great taxes. the tax play is really good with that one. Then, of course, mean, different types of real estate. But one thing that I would share that was very interesting when I was writing this book is kind of reflecting on the years of and I've done this six years and all the people that I've interviewed. But one thing was very interesting.   So agricultural, the market is big. There's many different things in agriculture. And that's where a lot of folks obviously invest farmland, livestock, produce, that kind of stuff. What I found just fascinating was the portfolio allocations of some of the wealthiest people on this planet in timber, more specifically tea.   And I'm like, wait a second, because I've some friends that work in family offices, too. So when I came across this, I reached out to them and I'm like, I see like, is there a lot of like the some of the families that are working with you invested in this asset class? And they're like, yeah, it's in all of our portfolios. And I'm like, that is fascinating. So teak, which is in the timber category is is there. And then I started looking into this. And it's like institutional companies are buying this hedge funds.   M.C Laubscher (18:58.594) family offices, like Ted Turner is one of the largest investors. And I looked into this and I'm like, why? And then of course, you reach the conclusion that what happens in agriculture, trees grow, they grew five years ago, they're gonna grow five years from now, they're gonna grow 20 to 25 years from now, they're just gonna do what they do if they're in the right climate, in the right country.   And so forth, so it provides stability to a portfolio. So it's a long term play. It's not a get rich quick scheme. Anybody that's in agriculture that has ever invested in that space knows that this is not a Bitcoin where you buy something and the next day it doubles. It's I mean, it's literally you have to hand it over to God. It's nature. It's going to take time to grow before you harvest. And when you harvest, obviously.   you're going to generate some cash flow from it. But I thought that was fascinating that how they build their portfolio there, they have to have things in there that stabilize it. Obviously, it's very big on real estate. There's a lot of energy plays on there. There's a lot of that in there. Another great asset class that can stabilize the portfolio, which I'm personally an investor in too, is life settlements.   And a lot of folks that say, is what is life settlement? So you can actually sell life insurance contracts just like you would sell real estate notes. So why would somebody sell a life insurance contract? Well, there are some folks that, like most Americans, have all their wealth in their homes and in a 401k. And that's it. No diversification. what happened in 2008, 2009? Well.   They were in retirement already and maybe lost the majority of the equity of the value of their house. They got clobbered in their stock portfolio and their retirement accounts. And now they're out of money basically. So what do you do? And now because of the stress, there's an illness too. So you can sell and you realize, I have a life insurance policy that I could sell to an investor. And then obviously the investor can, and this is being underwritten of course, an agent and so forth.   M.C Laubscher (21:21.804) But they have a life insurance policy that they can sell and live out the remainder of their life comfortably. So there's a win-win on both sides of it. I'll give an example. Let's just say you have a million dollar death benefit and a life insurance policy, and you have like $50,000 in cash value. And you're in a very bad situation like these folks are that I just told you. Well, you could go.   to a live settlement company at that stage, if you qualify, not all of them of course qualify, it has to be under underwritten to make sense for an investor to buy that. But let's just say you could get four to five times the amount that you have some, even if you're getting $200,000, $250,000 in cash, the investor would then pay for that. And then now they own the life insurance policy. So eventually when   when the seller then passes away, then obviously the proceeds gets paid out to the investor. So they got money to live out the remainder of their life comfortably. The other folks then obviously got a return on the investment that they made. And there's pools of this, there's funds, it's a security. So there's a lot of undesirable, just disclaimer and I was warned about all this stuff is there's undesirable.   characters in every industry. And as you can imagine, there's probably a lot in that space. Just be aware that if it's in a fund, which is the best way to do it, because you can diversify over a large number of policies and utilize the law of large numbers like insurance companies, it is a security. So there are security laws that apply to all those things. it's essentially for accredited investors that have access to this.   Institutions, they just buy tons of policies on their own. Life insurance companies buy policies from other. They buy policies from other insurers to have on their books as a hedge. Folks like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, shocker, he's a big investor in that kind of stuff, too. But yeah, it's a very interesting asset class. And again, with the teak, what does it provide?   M.C Laubscher (23:37.87) Well, it provides stability because you're essentially buying your equity upfront. So the only factor is time, which will impact your return, obviously, right? So you could get a very nice return on that, which you kind of know when you buy it, sort of the equity that you have in that policy. And then with Teak, I mean, it stabilizes a portfolio. So between the two of those great plays, settlements, not as much cash flow heavy, but great upside potential appreciation.   So that was the main driver of that, but it stabilizes portfolios. So there's some interesting stuff that I've seen, but those are, you know, I figured I wanted to share some of the stuff that can stabilize a portfolio too, especially during times of craziness where it's not just speculative kind of place.   Yeah, that's fascinating, man. There's so many different things that you've invested in and that there are just to invest in in general and people just don't know about it, right? They get stuck in that, that 401k stocks and bonds bubble. And they think that that's just the only way to invest. And that's why sometimes I'll say, just get into a passive real estate deal, right? Not just because that's the only way to invest, but once you do it once you kind of surround yourself with those types of people that are looking at alternative investments. And then you start your mind just kind of opens up to   all these different things in agriculture, in energy, in, you know, all of those things that you just mentioned that are out there to invest in. And you just start seeing all these opportunities just around you. And then you can kind of start diversifying away from that.   Yeah, you know what another one is, and I cover this in the book too, which would be interesting for your folks at the time that we live in. You know, we had the whole Joe Rogan thing, the Joe Rogan experience controversy, and we had these folks that wanted to pull their music off Spotify. So some folks, if they actually read the story, might have grasped how that side of the business works. But essentially, you can invest in music royalties. And that's another niche on the book, which someone shared on my show.   M.C Laubscher (25:39.118) a couple of years ago, which I found was fascinating. Now, a musician can sell a portion or all of the royalties on their music to an investor. And that's essentially what happened to a lot of those folks that wanted to leave Spotify. They don't even own their royalties or all of it, maybe a small portion or a part of it, but corporations do. They own their music royalties.   So every single time a song gets played somewhere or is used in a movie or something, royalties are paid on that and the investor collects cashflow. Now, do we listen to music when markets crash? Yeah. Do we listen to music when markets boom? Yeah. We always listen to music, you know, whether it's good or bad times. So it's another, it's another interesting aspect of, of that. Now, why would a musician sell their royalties?   And this is fascinating because that side of the business and my brother, my brother is a musician too. So I learned a little bit of that, that side of it and had an insight of that, but why would they sell a portion or all of it? So maybe they need to fund the next album and they don't have a record label backing that. And maybe they just want to do it themselves or, you know, for them to raise money for the next project would be, would be one example of that. So, and of course, if there's   partial ownership of royalties. It's actually the best way to do that because otherwise the musician doesn't have incentives to keep promoting those songs. Right. So you almost want to go like 50 50 with someone to make sure like they've got skin in the game to still promote their albums and the songs and play them at concerts and all that kind of stuff. Otherwise, they're not really going to care because they don't own the rights or the royalties to that music anymore.   So it's fascinating. There's a whole exchange, as you can invest like an investor, but there's so many ways to do it. There's so many ways. see to your point, I see people argue all the time. This one's better, this one's better, this one. I'm like, you can make, it's incredible to see the ways that people can make money and become successful. There's so many ways to do it.   Seth Bradley (27:53.698) Yeah. Are there any, I know you went through quite a few there and I want to give the entire book away, but are there, is there another like really surprising one that kind of stands out in that book where somebody's going to read and they're like, what? That's crazy.   Yeah, I throw in there a different angle on crypto. So I share a strategy in there. I share a crypto strategy and then I share an angle of how to look at it as an investor because most people think cryptocurrency and blockchain and they go, oh, I just buy Bitcoin and it goes up 20 fold and now I'm a millionaire or a doggy coin and I'll be fine.   But there's actually that's very speculative, obviously, and you're a speculator. What the folks, the absolute cash flow ninjas have done is they have approached this as investors in the space. So they have followed what I call the California gold rush strategy. So they looked at this and said, wow, all right, there's gold found in California and San Francisco in that area.   Instead of going to mine or dig or pan for gold, I'm going to be the person selling the shovels, the picks, the equipment. I'm going to be the person selling the clothes like Levi Strauss. I'm going to be the person there that has provides housing, hotels, bars, restaurants, entertainment, brothels, whatever floats your boat. And I'm going to be the person that offers financial services like Wells Fargo.   You take a different strategic approach of investing. So you actually go in as an investor and say, like in the crypto and blockchain space, I'll give you some examples. The folks that have absolutely made a fortune in this space. Yeah, they had some Bitcoin. Yeah, they were early investors in Bitcoin and Ethereum. But guess what? They were early investors in exchanges. You know, I actually was in the Bauschman group of one of the first investors in Coinbase, which is now   M.C Laubscher (29:59.714) They went public. I think he did pretty well. The same with Kraken. He's also one of the earliest investors in Kraken. So he's on exchange. So the same with music. Do you think a lot of people trade crypto when the markets are going up? Absolutely. A lot of people are chasing the pump. Do you think there's a lot of activity on an exchange when crypto wets the bed and corrects? Absolutely. There's a panic selling going on.   Markets go up, down and sideways. They make money regardless. So that's one way of doing it. But think of other things, right? You know, in the cannabis space, everything was like, if you're a lawyer, I mean, you would never run out of work. If you are a tax accountant, you would never run out of work in that space. The same with crypto. So there's so many legal things happening there. And think about estate plans.   You have coins. How are you planning on transferring that to your children or your grandchildren? How does that work? Nobody's figured that out. There's companies that have been started in that space to address that problem. And you could be an investor in that company. How about taxes? You think they're coming off the taxes in crypto? You think if you're investing in a very, very good tax firm globally or locally and so forth that specializes in crypto, you're going to lose money?   going to be busier than ever. So it's a different kind of angle that you're coming in as an investor in the space, less sexy. I prefer it that way, cash flow, taxes, you're a business owner, that kind of stuff. But it's not the Elon Musk doggy coin kind of style that you're investing in the space. It's a little bit more strategic.   Right. Yeah, I love that, man. And you can use that, you know, that strategy across different industries. Like you said, you know, you're, selling, you're selling the picks and the, and the pans for the gold rushers. You're, selling the tools rather than actually going and trying to find the gold. And those are the people that actually got rich during the gold rush, right? People that sold the tool. So just think about, you know, any hot industry that way, like, what can I do? That's kind of that ancillary angle rather than the direct angle. And that could be the   Seth Bradley (32:18.03) the better investment.   Yeah, it's almost like I interviewed Jim Rogers a couple of times on my show and he's very comical, legendary investor. And he always said to me, know, when I asked him about how, how we like some of the big hits that he had and some of his best investments, he said, MC, it's quite simple. All I do is I sit and I just wait until people, the money is just lying on the floor. And then I go and pick up the money. That's all I do.   So and then I asked him about, all right, what is that? What is how does that relate to it? And it's like when you see something that's a no brainer that everybody else is seeing. I mean, like, for example, the legal side and the taxes and crypto kind of a no brainer. Not a lot of people are thinking about it. It was the same way in cannabis, too, where everybody wanted to invest in a farm or a farmer or dispensary or a distribution and all this stuff.   and deal with all the headaches of the federal government and the local government, you could have been the lawyer starting a legal firm dealing with those headaches for them. You would never run out of work and you could probably charge much, much more. And it's the same thing with the tax thing. So that, in my opinion, was it's just that money lying on the floor waiting to be picked up as an investor.   Yeah, perfect man. Nailed it. one last gold nugget before we jump into the freedom for   M.C Laubscher (33:48.362) Absolutely. Yeah, so I would say the big thing is you have to be very, very specific, obviously, why you're doing what you're doing, what you have and why you have it and what it's doing for you from a strategy. And then that's how you build your cashflow portfolio. But don't forget about the other stuff in your economy. There's a way to make your money as efficiently as possible. There's a way to position it.   And then there's a way to invest in this portfolio. And then there's a way to protect all of us with proper asset protection, with proper estate planning and with proper tax strategy. So most folks don't even think about the estate planning, the asset protection and the tax strategy. You're going to wish you have in five years. This will be a sound bite that that you can keep. You're going to wish you have thought about these things and not just on the shiny stuff.   I know because I've made all of those mistakes. I became a much better business owner investor when I started to put it all together and just didn't chase shiny stuff or had tunnel vision.   Yeah. Awesome, man. All right. Let's jump into the freedom for we're to mix it up a little bit because you've already been on the show once.   It's time for the Freedom Four.   Seth Bradley (35:09.422) So what does your morning routine look like?   You know, it varies since I have two very young kids, but there's one, but there's two things that are consistent. So I make sure that I go for a walk 45 minutes to an hour. And I do spend an hour thinking. It's a habit that I've developed over time and that I learned from Keith Cunningham. So he just calls it thinking time. We don't think because it's the hardest thing to do as Andrew Ford would always say,   So I make sure that I block everything off. No computers, no smartphones, nothing, just me and a pad. And I write down, I have certain frameworks I use to analyze things and help me think through things, looking at the dangers that are out there, the opportunities and how I can capitalize on a lot of the stuff. that's, I mean, that's definitely, that's in my morning. The other stuff, it varies because they got two young ones, but those two things are consistent. So.   clear my mind with a walk, get some exercise in, and then thinking for an hour.   Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes we, have these ideal morning routines put together, but it, know, especially when you have kids and you have all these different variables, that's not always possible, but you know, there are a couple of things that you definitely need to carve out and just make sure you do every single day. All right. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   M.C Laubscher (36:40.63) I do it every day and limiting beliefs in the sense of, people talk about the mindset of abundance, you know, and having an abundant mindset, you know, and I intentionally move every single day when I get up, there are some certain elements of scarcity and I transform that into abundance and I do it intentionally. It's actually part of thinking time. You know, I've listened to all the gurus, I get all that.   But I don't wake up in the morning and go, yeah, this is going to be great. Every every person wakes up. This is just how we were built. If we weren't built this way, we wouldn't have survived. So we get up and we scan our environment and we start kind of not in a fearful fear isn't the right word, but it's kind of like fight or flight situation. Like I said, if you're not built that if you weren't built that way, you wouldn't be alive right now. We wouldn't be as a specie.   because otherwise we would have probably the saber-toothed tiger would have probably gotten us. So we were built that way. So I do it intentionally to transform from whatever elements it is of scarcity into abundance. And by doing that and doing that every single day intentionally, it changes your whole day. then you don't have any bad days. So I don't get up drumming my chest saying everything is perfect and rosy and rainbows and unicorns.   I understand that there are certain things that I've got to work out kinks and I have frameworks to do that. And I just make sure that I do it every single day. So overcoming limiting beliefs, we all have some of them. think like the, mean, the biggest one, there are some things like, the biggest one that I've ever came lightly and this is probably over the last three years is,   You know, Dan Sullivan, which is one of my coaches, a strategic coach said, you need to work less and make more money. And I'm like, I don't know how to do I know what's what's the catch here? Yeah. So that was a limiting belief. then I'm like, wait a second, does he have a superpower that I don't have? But then I started to realize that you could structure your day and then have proper systems and processes in place. And that I work four days a week now when I started as an entrepreneur, it was   M.C Laubscher (39:05.866) seven days a week, 10 to 12 hours. Now I work four days a week and it's probably seven to eight hours at most because I have those systems and processes in place. it was, mean, yeah, talk about a limiting belief right there. It was something that I to work out and figure out.   Yeah. Yeah. And it's counterintuitive, right? It's like, wait, work less and make more. That's not how it works. That's not how I was taught growing up. That's not how it works.   It's everything, everything against what you were have been taught in school, right? So it's almost like you have to break down core foundational beliefs and a mindset. You have to double down on that. It's like when Labeque Saki said he makes more money every year and pays less in taxes. When you first hear that and you read the book, you're like, well, how does that, how does that work? So again, beliefs that have to change and then your mindset and then you   learn the game of money and you're like, yeah, that is that's what they do. This is what the castle and then just do they make more money every year, they pay less in taxes, actually get money back from the government, legally, and they work less and then and they make more money.   Yeah, exactly. I had Tom Willwright on the show last month and he said the same thing. That was the his big quote was, you know, the wealthier you get, the less taxes you pay. It's like what? Yeah, but it's 100 percent true, 100 percent true. What do you believe separates successful people like yourself who have taken action and taken control of their life and their own economy from those who get stuck in the nine to five, never take action and maybe never get started with cash flow?   M.C Laubscher (40:50.57) I own all of my outcomes. And I think that's the biggest difference between a lot of folks and people that achieve certain levels of success. I don't blame anyone. Everything that happens is because of me. So even if there is something nefarious done to you, I shouldn't have put myself in that position and I should have seen it coming. So it's my responsibility, not anybody else's.   So I take responsibility for everything that I've done in my past, my present, my future. I own everything. So I was stuck for a while in a deep dark place. We're talking now like 10, 12 years ago and I wasn't going anywhere at that stage. And that was the one switch that I made and I've never looked back since, you know? So I own everything. The good, the bad and the ugly.   Yeah, I love that more than you know, man. Accountability is my number one principle in everything in business and life. Even again, if you if you know inside that maybe it was somebody else's fault, it still doesn't matter. You say, well, what could I have done to change it and to make it better? What could I have done differently? Take accountability for it. Don't blame other people.   Yeah, there's a person that I follow that I was very honored to meet in person, Tim Grover. And he's the guy behind Michael Jordan. mean, he's Michael Jordan's coach, Kobe's coach, know, Dwayne Wade. And he was actually, it's funny that I just saw that he actually worked with the Rams over the past month too, during that. And he's just, I mean, quite incredible because he literally gets you into   This is how a champion thinks. This is what's going in their mind. This is how they're wired. And those folks, mean, it's just so interesting to see. Even if folks don't win, listen to what Tom Brady said, by the way, in his playoff loss before he retired. Where they're like, you you didn't get the ball back and you didn't have another shot. basically you thought you were going into overtime, but then that final play that the Rams got you and he's like,   M.C Laubscher (43:12.386) I shouldn't we shouldn't have been in that situation. I shouldn't have put my team in that situation in the first place. So that's all they think. That's all those folks think. And I know it's sports, but there's so much between sports, obviously, and and business and investing. So you look at the mind of a champion in any industry in any part of part of life. And that's all those folks think, whether it's a whether it's sports, it's a business, a marriage, investments, you know, they own it.   That on the outcomes.   Yeah, for sure. I'm listening to Winning right now, his book on Audible. it's great so far. All right. Last but not least, what does financial freedom mean to you?   You know, freedom is is a is it's it's we're living during interesting times. It's funny how freedom is is being spun. You know, I'm one of those folks that. Nobody grants you freedom, no one. You just you just take it, you're born free and you take it. You know, you can't you can't negotiate it, you can't vote for it, you can't beg for it, you can't plead for it, you just take it.   And you do that by taking action. So financial freedom and the same thing is no one no one's going to give it to you. And you're just going to have to go out and take it. And in the sense is what freedom means to me is having freedom of time, how I spend my time, what I do, having freedom of money. I do things and I spend my time how money no longer becomes a reason why and why I'm not doing something.   M.C Laubscher (44:55.126) relationships, having freedom of relationships. doing cool things with people that I like to do things with and hanging out with people that I want to hang out with. So I don't have to hang out with someone just to hang out with someone. That's what freedom means. then obviously purpose, know, purpose is, yeah, the freedom to pursue what you want to pursue, the stuff that you want to work on, the stuff that you're passionate about.   So you don't do things just to do things and you have to get there by the way, you know, if you if you see all the things that I've had to do to get to the part where I just do stuff that I want to do. It's been a long road. It didn't start with that, but that should be the goal in the end. So we all have to do things that we don't like to do and some way or shape or form. But essentially, when you get to financial freedom, you can just focus on the things that you want to do that you're passionate about, whatever they are. If it's   doing cool things with cool people and cool places. If it's spending time supporting your charities and your church and so forth and being actively involved with that. There's folks that I know that are very wealthy that, mean, they just, and a lot of them, by the way, right now, they're just buying ranches and farms and just living off the land in the middle of nowhere, you know, in different states.   Yeah, I mean, and that's that's it. That's it. That's what they that's what they want to do right now. Get away from all the craziness. They kind of see that things are going to get wilder and crazier in the in coming months and the next couple of years. And they're like, I don't want to participate in this. I'm just going to buy a piece of land in the middle of nowhere and come back when this so when the dust settles. So, yeah, that's that's that's what that's what it means to me. It's it's something that I talk about a lot, too, that I'm pretty passionate about.   Because we are in a fight for it now too. You know, all over the world in many, many, many different ways. So my own little way, I try to, you know, help as many people as I can to get the financial park right. Because if you are financially independent and free, you know, you're not going to be forced into a corner or have your back to the wall and be forced to make decisions that are against your principles, your values, and what you believe in. You're going to tell   M.C Laubscher (47:18.466) people to go pound sand. So I want as many people to be in that position as possible.   man, that was an awesome answer, dude. Let's wrap it up, man. It's been awesome having you on the show. Where can our listeners find out more about you? Where can they get that new book? 21 Best Cash Flow Niches. Tell us all about it.   So cashflowninja.com is everything Cashflow Ninja and the book is called the 21 Best Cashflow Ninjas, Creating Wealth and the Best Alternative Cashflow Investments. It's available on Amazon or cashflowninja.com. And when your listeners purchase a copy of the book, just screenshot a proof of your purchase to my team at info at cashflowninja.com and I'll throw in some bonus goodies. I'll give you a digital version of the book if you wanna read it on Kindle.   A audio version of the book, if you just want to listen to it, driving in your car, working out or hanging out. I've actually curated a library of interviews specifically where people talk about these niches. You'll get access to that and more bonus goodies. So it's available on Amazon dot com, but also at cash learning dot com, you'll be able to buy the book. The twenty one best cash flow and it just creating wealth in the best alternative cash flow investments.   Awesome brother. Well, congratulations on the book launch and it's been awesome having you on the show again. I MC let's catch up soon.   M.C Laubscher (48:37.962) Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me.   All right kiddos, MC Lobster, the cash flow ninja, drop in bombs. As always, he always comes up with all these new ideas, all these new ways to create cash flow and income outside of the box. We're not just talking about real estate. We're not just talking about stocks, bonds and mutual funds. We're talking about agriculture, life insurance contracts, all these different ways that you can create income for yourself. There's more than one way.   to create income that does not involve just lawyering, just doctoring, just engineering, just doing your, just creating your active daily, trading your time for money income. So at the end of the day, look, this is the major key. The major key is to get started. Again, I always say start out with a real estate syndication on the passive side because...   that will open your eyes to opportunities. That's what it did for me. When I started investing in commercial real estate to begin with, it was through a passive investment. And then I invested more and then I invested more. And then my network expanded and to people like MC who exposed my mind to ideas about other types of ways to get started in multiple streams of income. Then I bought into franchises, then I bought into crypto, then I bought into all these different things. But until you get started,   and you get this cashflow train moving, you're gonna be stuck. You're gonna be stuck at your day job with one stream of income, putting yourself and your family's financial future at risk. So I encourage you to just get started. So if you're ready to take action and partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals, go to passiveincomeattorney.com, join our Esquire passive investor club and get started today. All right, kids, until next time, enjoy the journey.   M.C Laubscher (50:34.616) Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. And we'll see you on the next episode. 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Title: The Unconventional Investor: Why Following the Crowd is Costing You Millions With M.C. Laubscher Summary: In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, host Seth Bradley welcomes back MC Lobster, a cashflow investor and entrepreneur. They discuss the importance of diversification in income streams, exploring various investment vehicles beyond traditional methods. MC shares insights from his journey from South Africa to the U.S., emphasizing the opportunities available for those willing to take action. The conversation covers innovative cashflow niches, including agriculture, energy, life settlements, and music royalties, as well as strategies for achieving financial freedom. MC highlights the mindset necessary for successful investing and the importance of accountability in personal and financial growth. Links to watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3UR8G3eWU Bullet Point Highlights: Mikkel Thorpe helps people relocate overseas and navigate tax issues. The expat lifestyle offers freedom and adventure beyond traditional living. Second residencies provide legal rights to live and work in another country. Tax benefits for U.S. citizens living abroad include the foreign earned income exclusion. Investing in real estate can provide both residency benefits and financial returns. Personal responsibility is crucial for achieving financial independence. Mikkel emphasizes the importance of emotional support during relocation. Countries like Panama offer favorable tax situations for expats. Understanding the legal obligations of living abroad is essential for compliance. Exploring different cultures can lead to personal growth and new opportunities. Transcript: Seth Bradley (00:10.572) What's going on y'all. Welcome back to a new episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast. Of course, your favorite place for learning about the world of alternative passive investing so that you can have more freedom, flexibility, and fun. Now, if you're ready to kick that billable out of the curb, start by going to attorneybydesign.com and download the Freedom Blueprint, which will also get you access to partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals, which we'd love to have you on board for.   to help you on your journey to financial freedom. All right, today, let's talk about diversification in a particular way though. Let's talk about the different ways that you can make money. There are so many different ways. Unfortunately, for most of us, we have it in our heads that there's only one way. For my attorneys out there, well,   We just do our attorney thing and that's how we get paid. We have one stream of income, one active stream. Maybe we save for retirement through a 401k or we buy some stocks and bonds or play around on Robinhood or something like that. But we don't think about all the other ways that we can make money. If you've listened to my show before, I've had so many attorneys on here that have leveraged their knowledge, their background, their experience, their education as an attorney.   to catapult them in other aspects of life, in other avenues of business so that they can create multiple streams of income, whether that's through starting a side business, a side hustle, which eventually might become their full-time hustle or investing in real estate, both passively and or actively. There are so many different ways to make money, but there's more ways than just the things that we've talked about so far. There are so many different ways and there's no magic pill.   Right now we talk about syndications a lot on this show, but it's not a magic pill. I'm not preaching to you and telling you if you don't invest in a syndication or invest in syndications, then you're not going to become wealthy or that investing in real estate is the only way to become wealthy. It's not, it's a tried and proven way to become wealthy. And it's my favorite way and a lot of my guests favorite way, but it's not the only way.   Seth Bradley (02:30.814) And our guest today, MC Lobster, who is no stranger to this show. He's been on here before. He's actually our first repeat guest. but I love chatting with him. He's such a great guy. So knowledgeable. he is a true expert at this idea of diversification across so many different types of income that you can create for yourself. And he's on here on the show today, especially to talk about his new book, the 21 best cashflow niches, where we'll   jump into what some of those are. Some of these things you've probably never even heard about. We'll talk about life insurance contracts. We'll talk about agriculture, energy, of course, real estate and all of those things. But inside you, you'll get some new ideas about things that you never even thought you could invest in. MC Lobster is a cashflow investor and a serial entrepreneur. He's the creator and host of the top rated business and investing podcast, the cashflow Ninja.   which has been downloaded over 3 million times in over 180 countries. He's also the president and CEO of Producers Wealth, a virtual wealth creation firm that assists investors and business owners to set up and implement infinite banking. All right, without further ado, the one, the only MC Lobster, let's go. This is the Passive Income Attorney Podcast.   where you'll discover the secrets and strategies of the ultra wealthy on how they build streams of passive income to give them the freedom we all want. Attorney Seth Bradley will help you end the cycle of trading your time for money so you can make money while you sleep. Start living the good life on your own terms. Now, here's your host, Seth Bradley. MC Lobster, what's going on, brother? Welcome to the show.   Great to be back. Great to connect. Looking forward to our conversation.   Seth Bradley (04:25.71) Absolutely, man. You are my first repeat guest. So you have that honor. Awesome, man. Well, for our listeners that haven't heard you on the first episode, maybe just give a quick rundown of a little bit about your background and who you are and, you know, where you come from and all that kind of stuff,   Definitely honored.   M.C Laubscher (04:46.542) Yeah, originally from South Africa, came to the US in 2001 and just blown away with the opportunity in this in this country. I mean, there's literally no place with the upward mobility like the US. You can literally start here with absolutely nothing, which is what I did. Basically a backpack, a suitcase, five hundred bucks, sense of humor, sense of adventure. And I'm an entrepreneur investor. I've started several companies.   failed at a lot of them, they had a lot of success in some of them. I've been an investor since 2001 in real estate. And I have a couple of companies, people know me for the Cash Loan Ninja, which is a podcast that I started six years ago, which has turned into a full blown financial education company. We have podcasts, tools, resources, programs, and now books. And then also,   know, I have a company called Producers Wealth. We help folks all across the United States. In 49 states, set up infinite banking, a cashflow management strategy utilizing an insurance product. And then I also have a company where we do a lot of syndications in the resort and multifamily space called Producers Capital Partners. But I love cashflow. I love talking about cashflow, creating it.   positioning it efficiently and managing it and then multiplying it. So everything cashflow gets me excited.   Is that all you got going on, man?   M.C Laubscher (06:20.8) You know, throw throw throw a family that's very active and love to do stuff in there. I've got a beautiful wife and two young kids to all one for an off and three boy and a girl. So you can just imagine the energy there. So a full time job almost by itself, right?   That's   All right. Yeah. So many hours in the day, man. I don't know how you do it. I know how you do it. I love what you said about upward mobility, man. And I think we take that for granted in the US. So how is that different in other countries for us? don't even think about that sort of thing.   Yeah, so I grew up in South Africa and then I was fortunate enough, I traveled to a number of African countries and then I also traveled to a number of European countries, Latin American countries and Asian countries. And I don't think people realize, like if you're born in the United States, you literally won a lottery ticket. I it's I don't know how else to say it. When I got here, I looked at this and I'm like, wait a second. So there's not really like you could, mean,   You just bring your game, you start where you're at and the sky's the limit where, you know, it's very tough in certain countries. Let's just use Africa as an example, you know, in South Africa, the lack of infrastructure, supportive infrastructure for somebody starting there and maybe folks from other countries can relate like in Brazil is probably the same, a of Latin American countries that don't have the same infrastructure that's in the States. So let's just say you are,   M.C Laubscher (07:53.614) you're born on the lowest economic rung. That happens to folks, right? If you're born in the United States, well, you still have access to stuff. You could go to a library, jump on a computer, learn skills, there's public schools. When you're born in a shanty town in South Africa or in a favela in Brazil, you don't have the same access. And also when you come here, literally,   I mean, you look at all the rags to reach the stories and, funnily enough, a lot of it is immigrants. You see it, a lot of immigrants rise to the top because most of them, whether they're from Africa, the Middle East, Eastern European countries, Latin America, that's kind of what they experienced too. And I've had conversations with them too where they're like, man, you could do anything you want to here. There's nothing holding you back.   and the sky is limit. It's not even the limit. You could go to space if you want like Elon. no, it's an incredible place. It still is. We live in an incredible time in the US is an incredible country, where, you know, it's all what you make of it, and all how you approach it, right?   Yeah, for sure. mean, it's kind of like, the access to information, the access to technology, the access to education. I know that's kind of a, you know, we fight about that all the time, but we have access to those things up to a certain point for free. Whereas other places do not have that access to information, technology, education. And that in itself gives you power. Knowledge is power. It's not just a saying.   Yeah, think think about the time that we live in. Who is it? Who is in Star Trek? Was it like Buck Rogers or Captain Kirk? Was Captain Kirk the guy? So, I mean, I still remember and we had very little TV. I grew up inside everywhere. We had like two TV channels, but one of them had like Star Trek episodes on. And I still remember like he would press a button and talk to someone on the telly on like a like a television screen.   M.C Laubscher (10:01.082) and I always saw, man, that's, that's, it's so cool. They're not even the same galaxy at that stage, but they're talking to one another. I like they're in the same room. We have access to that. And for most part, it's free. We have like access to star Trek technology in the time that we live in for base, for, most, for the most part, it's free. So you have a smartphone and.   you have some service or an internet connection, you're good to go. yeah, and again, the technology, which, you know, it's the frenemy. It's your friend and it's the enemy. It's a frenemy. But for the most part, if you approach it right and utilize it right, now a lot of the opportunities, when I came here in about 2001,   It was just around the internet kind of boom. So most people didn't really know what was happening there yet, but now everybody's in it. and all over the world. So a lot of the opportunity that only existed in the U.S. then too, are now available in other areas for folks to start online businesses and that kind of stuff globally. You know, to bring it back with Africa, I see on my last visit, and it's been a while ago, but I just remember seeing folks walking around with smartphones and that's all they transected bank.   They do everything on their smartphones. They have SIM cards and they buy like airtime. And I'm like, man, what you could do with a smartphone these days. It's quite incredible. So it's starting to open up in other places. yeah, you know, it's quite, we live in remarkable times and sometimes I don't think we appreciate it because we're so used to it. It's like, man, why is my internet taking so long to get on? I'm like, does anybody remember dial-up?   You know, it's like. Yeah, it will dial up, man. It's like, yeah, if we click on a link on our phone or click on a link on our computer and it takes more than like, you know, a snap, we're just like, what is going on? This is ridiculous. I can't get anything done. like, well, what did you get done when you didn't have that?   M.C Laubscher (12:09.986) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As like I said, before I came to the States, I remember we had dial up and I would add to download emails. So you would start at dial up and you would basically hit start for your emails to download and you would go and grab a cup of coffee and do whatever you have to do. And like 20, 30 minutes later, your emails would have been downloaded. That's so now it's, it's like this and everything moves quicker, right? So you can, you can disrupt slow, archaic,   markets in any asset class really, really quickly with technology and boy, there's some dinosaurs, especially in the markets that we were operating, real estate being one of them. And I'm in insurance too, mean, both very, very big dinosaurs that's ready for disruption.   Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about some of those things that you invest in. know you're pretty famous for infinite banking and also in commercial real estate. mean, what are some of the things that, are some of the best vehicles to invest in that you're seeing today and how has that maybe changed recently? I, and I asked that because there's a lot of people out there, you know, they'll listen to one podcast, right? And it'll just be like, you have to do this. If you don't do this one thing, if you don't take this one magic pill,   You're never going to be able to retire, achieve financial freedom, but we all know that that's not true. Hopefully we all know that, but what are, what are some of the investment vehicles that you love and why?   Yeah, I love what you just said. It's the maximalist approach, right? It's because I made my money in single family real estate that that's the only way to do it or multifamily or so. And that's why my show is to just get as many different ideas in business and real estate and commodities, paper assets. We covered crypto and blockchain since 2016, as I thought was was pretty exciting then. Now it's like out of control. But   M.C Laubscher (14:07.562) Actually, this ties into one of the reasons why I wrote my latest book, because most people would say, MC, you've interviewed like the best minds of business and investing and all these different opinions on your show, which was very funny in the beginning because we're so used to echo chambers. You know, I didn't want an echo chamber. So I would have someone on, for example, that hates Bitcoin. And then was someone on that loves it. And that's the only thing. And people are like, I don't understand. I'm like, yeah, you have to you're both sides of the argument.   and then to make a decision. But yeah, I wrote the 21 base cashflow niches, the book where I share, you know, the top 21 that's been shared on my show and I threw in five bonus ones there, but you know, as a marketer, 26 doesn't set as well as 21, right? It's funny how psychology works. Seven's good, 10, 20, 21. And then you gotta go to 50, I guess, or 100 off to that, right?   But anyway, 21 is what I used for the name of the book. Yeah, I mean, there's incredible niches that I don't think people think about. When you invest too, you know, this is just what I've done and I just share what I do. I eat my own cooking without throwing up. But what I initially did when I built the cashflow portfolio is I was very clear on what I was trying to accomplish with each investment. So what do I mean by that? So some investments you're going to buy,   that's going to be tax favorable, right? A little bit of light on the cash flow maybe, good on appreciation or a little bit light there, but really good on taxes. Then there's certain investments that's very strong on cash flow, okay on the taxes and good on appreciation. And then there's some that's purely on appreciation, okay on taxes and okay on cash flow, but it's really driven by the appreciation. And then there's some that   that's really good on all three. Knocks out a ton of taxes, great cash flow and appreciation like real estate is one of those assets that does that. So you have to be very clear when you build out a portfolio and I would advise just this is what I'm doing in the time that we're living in today that you have diversified income streams within a cashflow portfolio because we're living, mean, again, during times of great change   M.C Laubscher (16:29.25) There's going to be disruption. There's going to be chaos. You don't want to be in one. You don't want to put all of your eggs just in one basket. And that's you know, that's the horse that's going to win you the Kentucky Derby. You got to have a stable of horses and have many access to many different income streams. So what are some of the what are some of the coolest ones that I've seen? There are some some, know, if you're looking for taxes, there's some great plays and energy, great plays.   Disclaimer, not a tax accountant or CPA, but when you invest oil and gas, different energy projects, there's a very, very, very good tax incentives from a strong cash flow and so forth. So that's a great tax strategy, by the way, to offset active income, not just only passive income. If you do it properly and you're investing in it. And by the way, in case anybody hasn't checked energy prices.   It's just skyrocket. Try and put gas in wherever you are right now. So energy prices has a great appreciation with inflation, great cash flow and great taxes. the tax play is really good with that one. Then, of course, mean, different types of real estate. But one thing that I would share that was very interesting when I was writing this book is kind of reflecting on the years of and I've done this six years and all the people that I've interviewed. But one thing was very interesting.   So agricultural, the market is big. There's many different things in agriculture. And that's where a lot of folks obviously invest farmland, livestock, produce, that kind of stuff. What I found just fascinating was the portfolio allocations of some of the wealthiest people on this planet in timber, more specifically tea.   And I'm like, wait a second, because I've some friends that work in family offices, too. So when I came across this, I reached out to them and I'm like, I see like, is there a lot of like the some of the families that are working with you invested in this asset class? And they're like, yeah, it's in all of our portfolios. And I'm like, that is fascinating. So teak, which is in the timber category is is there. And then I started looking into this. And it's like institutional companies are buying this hedge funds.   M.C Laubscher (18:58.594) family offices, like Ted Turner is one of the largest investors. And I looked into this and I'm like, why? And then of course, you reach the conclusion that what happens in agriculture, trees grow, they grew five years ago, they're gonna grow five years from now, they're gonna grow 20 to 25 years from now, they're just gonna do what they do if they're in the right climate, in the right country.   And so forth, so it provides stability to a portfolio. So it's a long term play. It's not a get rich quick scheme. Anybody that's in agriculture that has ever invested in that space knows that this is not a Bitcoin where you buy something and the next day it doubles. It's I mean, it's literally you have to hand it over to God. It's nature. It's going to take time to grow before you harvest. And when you harvest, obviously.   you're going to generate some cash flow from it. But I thought that was fascinating that how they build their portfolio there, they have to have things in there that stabilize it. Obviously, it's very big on real estate. There's a lot of energy plays on there. There's a lot of that in there. Another great asset class that can stabilize the portfolio, which I'm personally an investor in too, is life settlements.   And a lot of folks that say, is what is life settlement? So you can actually sell life insurance contracts just like you would sell real estate notes. So why would somebody sell a life insurance contract? Well, there are some folks that, like most Americans, have all their wealth in their homes and in a 401k. And that's it. No diversification. what happened in 2008, 2009? Well.   They were in retirement already and maybe lost the majority of the equity of the value of their house. They got clobbered in their stock portfolio and their retirement accounts. And now they're out of money basically. So what do you do? And now because of the stress, there's an illness too. So you can sell and you realize, I have a life insurance policy that I could sell to an investor. And then obviously the investor can, and this is being underwritten of course, an agent and so forth.   M.C Laubscher (21:21.804) But they have a life insurance policy that they can sell and live out the remainder of their life comfortably. So there's a win-win on both sides of it. I'll give an example. Let's just say you have a million dollar death benefit and a life insurance policy, and you have like $50,000 in cash value. And you're in a very bad situation like these folks are that I just told you. Well, you could go.   to a live settlement company at that stage, if you qualify, not all of them of course qualify, it has to be under underwritten to make sense for an investor to buy that. But let's just say you could get four to five times the amount that you have some, even if you're getting $200,000, $250,000 in cash, the investor would then pay for that. And then now they own the life insurance policy. So eventually when   when the seller then passes away, then obviously the proceeds gets paid out to the investor. So they got money to live out the remainder of their life comfortably. The other folks then obviously got a return on the investment that they made. And there's pools of this, there's funds, it's a security. So there's a lot of undesirable, just disclaimer and I was warned about all this stuff is there's undesirable.   characters in every industry. And as you can imagine, there's probably a lot in that space. Just be aware that if it's in a fund, which is the best way to do it, because you can diversify over a large number of policies and utilize the law of large numbers like insurance companies, it is a security. So there are security laws that apply to all those things. it's essentially for accredited investors that have access to this.   Institutions, they just buy tons of policies on their own. Life insurance companies buy policies from other. They buy policies from other insurers to have on their books as a hedge. Folks like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, shocker, he's a big investor in that kind of stuff, too. But yeah, it's a very interesting asset class. And again, with the teak, what does it provide?   M.C Laubscher (23:37.87) Well, it provides stability because you're essentially buying your equity upfront. So the only factor is time, which will impact your return, obviously, right? So you could get a very nice return on that, which you kind of know when you buy it, sort of the equity that you have in that policy. And then with Teak, I mean, it stabilizes a portfolio. So between the two of those great plays, settlements, not as much cash flow heavy, but great upside potential appreciation.   So that was the main driver of that, but it stabilizes portfolios. So there's some interesting stuff that I've seen, but those are, you know, I figured I wanted to share some of the stuff that can stabilize a portfolio too, especially during times of craziness where it's not just speculative kind of place.   Yeah, that's fascinating, man. There's so many different things that you've invested in and that there are just to invest in in general and people just don't know about it, right? They get stuck in that, that 401k stocks and bonds bubble. And they think that that's just the only way to invest. And that's why sometimes I'll say, just get into a passive real estate deal, right? Not just because that's the only way to invest, but once you do it once you kind of surround yourself with those types of people that are looking at alternative investments. And then you start your mind just kind of opens up to   all these different things in agriculture, in energy, in, you know, all of those things that you just mentioned that are out there to invest in. And you just start seeing all these opportunities just around you. And then you can kind of start diversifying away from that.   Yeah, you know what another one is, and I cover this in the book too, which would be interesting for your folks at the time that we live in. You know, we had the whole Joe Rogan thing, the Joe Rogan experience controversy, and we had these folks that wanted to pull their music off Spotify. So some folks, if they actually read the story, might have grasped how that side of the business works. But essentially, you can invest in music royalties. And that's another niche on the book, which someone shared on my show.   M.C Laubscher (25:39.118) a couple of years ago, which I found was fascinating. Now, a musician can sell a portion or all of the royalties on their music to an investor. And that's essentially what happened to a lot of those folks that wanted to leave Spotify. They don't even own their royalties or all of it, maybe a small portion or a part of it, but corporations do. They own their music royalties.   So every single time a song gets played somewhere or is used in a movie or something, royalties are paid on that and the investor collects cashflow. Now, do we listen to music when markets crash? Yeah. Do we listen to music when markets boom? Yeah. We always listen to music, you know, whether it's good or bad times. So it's another, it's another interesting aspect of, of that. Now, why would a musician sell their royalties?   And this is fascinating because that side of the business and my brother, my brother is a musician too. So I learned a little bit of that, that side of it and had an insight of that, but why would they sell a portion or all of it? So maybe they need to fund the next album and they don't have a record label backing that. And maybe they just want to do it themselves or, you know, for them to raise money for the next project would be, would be one example of that. So, and of course, if there's   partial ownership of royalties. It's actually the best way to do that because otherwise the musician doesn't have incentives to keep promoting those songs. Right. So you almost want to go like 50 50 with someone to make sure like they've got skin in the game to still promote their albums and the songs and play them at concerts and all that kind of stuff. Otherwise, they're not really going to care because they don't own the rights or the royalties to that music anymore.   So it's fascinating. There's a whole exchange, as you can invest like an investor, but there's so many ways to do it. There's so many ways. see to your point, I see people argue all the time. This one's better, this one's better, this one. I'm like, you can make, it's incredible to see the ways that people can make money and become successful. There's so many ways to do it.   Seth Bradley (27:53.698) Yeah. Are there any, I know you went through quite a few there and I want to give the entire book away, but are there, is there another like really surprising one that kind of stands out in that book where somebody's going to read and they're like, what? That's crazy.   Yeah, I throw in there a different angle on crypto. So I share a strategy in there. I share a crypto strategy and then I share an angle of how to look at it as an investor because most people think cryptocurrency and blockchain and they go, oh, I just buy Bitcoin and it goes up 20 fold and now I'm a millionaire or a doggy coin and I'll be fine.   But there's actually that's very speculative, obviously, and you're a speculator. What the folks, the absolute cash flow ninjas have done is they have approached this as investors in the space. So they have followed what I call the California gold rush strategy. So they looked at this and said, wow, all right, there's gold found in California and San Francisco in that area.   Instead of going to mine or dig or pan for gold, I'm going to be the person selling the shovels, the picks, the equipment. I'm going to be the person selling the clothes like Levi Strauss. I'm going to be the person there that has provides housing, hotels, bars, restaurants, entertainment, brothels, whatever floats your boat. And I'm going to be the person that offers financial services like Wells Fargo.   You take a different strategic approach of investing. So you actually go in as an investor and say, like in the crypto and blockchain space, I'll give you some examples. The folks that have absolutely made a fortune in this space. Yeah, they had some Bitcoin. Yeah, they were early investors in Bitcoin and Ethereum. But guess what? They were early investors in exchanges. You know, I actually was in the Bauschman group of one of the first investors in Coinbase, which is now   M.C Laubscher (29:59.714) They went public. I think he did pretty well. The same with Kraken. He's also one of the earliest investors in Kraken. So he's on exchange. So the same with music. Do you think a lot of people trade crypto when the markets are going up? Absolutely. A lot of people are chasing the pump. Do you think there's a lot of activity on an exchange when crypto wets the bed and corrects? Absolutely. There's a panic selling going on.   Markets go up, down and sideways. They make money regardless. So that's one way of doing it. But think of other things, right? You know, in the cannabis space, everything was like, if you're a lawyer, I mean, you would never run out of work. If you are a tax accountant, you would never run out of work in that space. The same with crypto. So there's so many legal things happening there. And think about estate plans.   You have coins. How are you planning on transferring that to your children or your grandchildren? How does that work? Nobody's figured that out. There's companies that have been started in that space to address that problem. And you could be an investor in that company. How about taxes? You think they're coming off the taxes in crypto? You think if you're investing in a very, very good tax firm globally or locally and so forth that specializes in crypto, you're going to lose money?   going to be busier than ever. So it's a different kind of angle that you're coming in as an investor in the space, less sexy. I prefer it that way, cash flow, taxes, you're a business owner, that kind of stuff. But it's not the Elon Musk doggy coin kind of style that you're investing in the space. It's a little bit more strategic.   Right. Yeah, I love that, man. And you can use that, you know, that strategy across different industries. Like you said, you know, you're, selling, you're selling the picks and the, and the pans for the gold rushers. You're, selling the tools rather than actually going and trying to find the gold. And those are the people that actually got rich during the gold rush, right? People that sold the tool. So just think about, you know, any hot industry that way, like, what can I do? That's kind of that ancillary angle rather than the direct angle. And that could be the   Seth Bradley (32:18.03) the better investment.   Yeah, it's almost like I interviewed Jim Rogers a couple of times on my show and he's very comical, legendary investor. And he always said to me, know, when I asked him about how, how we like some of the big hits that he had and some of his best investments, he said, MC, it's quite simple. All I do is I sit and I just wait until people, the money is just lying on the floor. And then I go and pick up the money. That's all I do.   So and then I asked him about, all right, what is that? What is how does that relate to it? And it's like when you see something that's a no brainer that everybody else is seeing. I mean, like, for example, the legal side and the taxes and crypto kind of a no brainer. Not a lot of people are thinking about it. It was the same way in cannabis, too, where everybody wanted to invest in a farm or a farmer or dispensary or a distribution and all this stuff.   and deal with all the headaches of the federal government and the local government, you could have been the lawyer starting a legal firm dealing with those headaches for them. You would never run out of work and you could probably charge much, much more. And it's the same thing with the tax thing. So that, in my opinion, was it's just that money lying on the floor waiting to be picked up as an investor.   Yeah, perfect man. Nailed it. one last gold nugget before we jump into the freedom for   M.C Laubscher (33:48.362) Absolutely. Yeah, so I would say the big thing is you have to be very, very specific, obviously, why you're doing what you're doing, what you have and why you have it and what it's doing for you from a strategy. And then that's how you build your cashflow portfolio. But don't forget about the other stuff in your economy. There's a way to make your money as efficiently as possible. There's a way to position it.   And then there's a way to invest in this portfolio. And then there's a way to protect all of us with proper asset protection, with proper estate planning and with proper tax strategy. So most folks don't even think about the estate planning, the asset protection and the tax strategy. You're going to wish you have in five years. This will be a sound bite that that you can keep. You're going to wish you have thought about these things and not just on the shiny stuff.   I know because I've made all of those mistakes. I became a much better business owner investor when I started to put it all together and just didn't chase shiny stuff or had tunnel vision.   Yeah. Awesome, man. All right. Let's jump into the freedom for we're to mix it up a little bit because you've already been on the show once.   It's time for the Freedom Four.   Seth Bradley (35:09.422) So what does your morning routine look like?   You know, it varies since I have two very young kids, but there's one, but there's two things that are consistent. So I make sure that I go for a walk 45 minutes to an hour. And I do spend an hour thinking. It's a habit that I've developed over time and that I learned from Keith Cunningham. So he just calls it thinking time. We don't think because it's the hardest thing to do as Andrew Ford would always say,   So I make sure that I block everything off. No computers, no smartphones, nothing, just me and a pad. And I write down, I have certain frameworks I use to analyze things and help me think through things, looking at the dangers that are out there, the opportunities and how I can capitalize on a lot of the stuff. that's, I mean, that's definitely, that's in my morning. The other stuff, it varies because they got two young ones, but those two things are consistent. So.   clear my mind with a walk, get some exercise in, and then thinking for an hour.   Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes we, have these ideal morning routines put together, but it, know, especially when you have kids and you have all these different variables, that's not always possible, but you know, there are a couple of things that you definitely need to carve out and just make sure you do every single day. All right. With all your success, what is one limiting belief that you've crushed along the way and how did you get past it?   M.C Laubscher (36:40.63) I do it every day and limiting beliefs in the sense of, people talk about the mindset of abundance, you know, and having an abundant mindset, you know, and I intentionally move every single day when I get up, there are some certain elements of scarcity and I transform that into abundance and I do it intentionally. It's actually part of thinking time. You know, I've listened to all the gurus, I get all that.   But I don't wake up in the morning and go, yeah, this is going to be great. Every every person wakes up. This is just how we were built. If we weren't built this way, we wouldn't have survived. So we get up and we scan our environment and we start kind of not in a fearful fear isn't the right word, but it's kind of like fight or flight situation. Like I said, if you're not built that if you weren't built that way, you wouldn't be alive right now. We wouldn't be as a specie.   because otherwise we would have probably the saber-toothed tiger would have probably gotten us. So we were built that way. So I do it intentionally to transform from whatever elements it is of scarcity into abundance. And by doing that and doing that every single day intentionally, it changes your whole day. then you don't have any bad days. So I don't get up drumming my chest saying everything is perfect and rosy and rainbows and unicorns.   I understand that there are certain things that I've got to work out kinks and I have frameworks to do that. And I just make sure that I do it every single day. So overcoming limiting beliefs, we all have some of them. think like the, mean, the biggest one, there are some things like, the biggest one that I've ever came lightly and this is probably over the last three years is,   You know, Dan Sullivan, which is one of my coaches, a strategic coach said, you need to work less and make more money. And I'm like, I don't know how to do I know what's what's the catch here? Yeah. So that was a limiting belief. then I'm like, wait a second, does he have a superpower that I don't have? But then I started to realize that you could structure your day and then have proper systems and processes in place. And that I work four days a week now when I started as an entrepreneur, it was   M.C Laubscher (39:05.866) seven days a week, 10 to 12 hours. Now I work four days a week and it's probably seven to eight hours at most because I have those systems and processes in place. it was, mean, yeah, talk about a limiting belief right there. It was something that I to work out and figure out.   Yeah. Yeah. And it's counterintuitive, right? It's like, wait, work less and make more. That's not how it works. That's not how I was taught growing up. That's not how it works.   It's everything, everything against what you were have been taught in school, right? So it's almost like you have to break down core foundational beliefs and a mindset. You have to double down on that. It's like when Labeque Saki said he makes more money every year and pays less in taxes. When you first hear that and you read the book, you're like, well, how does that, how does that work? So again, beliefs that have to change and then your mindset and then you   learn the game of money and you're like, yeah, that is that's what they do. This is what the castle and then just do they make more money every year, they pay less in taxes, actually get money back from the government, legally, and they work less and then and they make more money.   Yeah, exactly. I had Tom Willwright on the show last month and he said the same thing. That was the his big quote was, you know, the wealthier you get, the less taxes you pay. It's like what? Yeah, but it's 100 percent true, 100 percent true. What do you believe separates successful people like yourself who have taken action and taken control of their life and their own economy from those who get stuck in the nine to five, never take action and maybe never get started with cash flow?   M.C Laubscher (40:50.57) I own all of my outcomes. And I think that's the biggest difference between a lot of folks and people that achieve certain levels of success. I don't blame anyone. Everything that happens is because of me. So even if there is something nefarious done to you, I shouldn't have put myself in that position and I should have seen it coming. So it's my responsibility, not anybody else's.   So I take responsibility for everything that I've done in my past, my present, my future. I own everything. So I was stuck for a while in a deep dark place. We're talking now like 10, 12 years ago and I wasn't going anywhere at that stage. And that was the one switch that I made and I've never looked back since, you know? So I own everything. The good, the bad and the ugly.   Yeah, I love that more than you know, man. Accountability is my number one principle in everything in business and life. Even again, if you if you know inside that maybe it was somebody else's fault, it still doesn't matter. You say, well, what could I have done to change it and to make it better? What could I have done differently? Take accountability for it. Don't blame other people.   Yeah, there's a person that I follow that I was very honored to meet in person, Tim Grover. And he's the guy behind Michael Jordan. mean, he's Michael Jordan's coach, Kobe's coach, know, Dwayne Wade. And he was actually, it's funny that I just saw that he actually worked with the Rams over the past month too, during that. And he's just, I mean, quite incredible because he literally gets you into   This is how a champion thinks. This is what's going in their mind. This is how they're wired. And those folks, mean, it's just so interesting to see. Even if folks don't win, listen to what Tom Brady said, by the way, in his playoff loss before he retired. Where they're like, you you didn't get the ball back and you didn't have another shot. basically you thought you were going into overtime, but then that final play that the Rams got you and he's like,   M.C Laubscher (43:12.386) I shouldn't we shouldn't have been in that situation. I shouldn't have put my team in that situation in the first place. So that's all they think. That's all those folks think. And I know it's sports, but there's so much between sports, obviously, and and business and investing. So you look at the mind of a champion in any industry in any part of part of life. And that's all those folks think, whether it's a whether it's sports, it's a business, a marriage, investments, you know, they own it.   That on the outcomes.   Yeah, for sure. I'm listening to Winning right now, his book on Audible. it's great so far. All right. Last but not least, what does financial freedom mean to you?   You know, freedom is is a is it's it's we're living during interesting times. It's funny how freedom is is being spun. You know, I'm one of those folks that. Nobody grants you freedom, no one. You just you just take it, you're born free and you take it. You know, you can't you can't negotiate it, you can't vote for it, you can't beg for it, you can't plead for it, you just take it.   And you do that by taking action. So financial freedom and the same thing is no one no one's going to give it to you. And you're just going to have to go out and take it. And in the sense is what freedom means to me is having freedom of time, how I spend my time, what I do, having freedom of money. I do things and I spend my time how money no longer becomes a reason why and why I'm not doing something.   M.C Laubscher (44:55.126) relationships, having freedom of relationships. doing cool things with people that I like to do things with and hanging out with people that I want to hang out with. So I don't have to hang out with someone just to hang out with someone. That's what freedom means. then obviously purpose, know, purpose is, yeah, the freedom to pursue what you want to pursue, the stuff that you want to work on, the stuff that you're passionate about.   So you don't do things just to do things and you have to get there by the way, you know, if you if you see all the things that I've had to do to get to the part where I just do stuff that I want to do. It's been a long road. It didn't start with that, but that should be the goal in the end. So we all have to do things that we don't like to do and some way or shape or form. But essentially, when you get to financial freedom, you can just focus on the things that you want to do that you're passionate about, whatever they are. If it's   doing cool things with cool people and cool places. If it's spending time supporting your charities and your church and so forth and being actively involved with that. There's folks that I know that are very wealthy that, mean, they just, and a lot of them, by the way, right now, they're just buying ranches and farms and just living off the land in the middle of nowhere, you know, in different states.   Yeah, I mean, and that's that's it. That's it. That's what they that's what they want to do right now. Get away from all the craziness. They kind of see that things are going to get wilder and crazier in the in coming months and the next couple of years. And they're like, I don't want to participate in this. I'm just going to buy a piece of land in the middle of nowhere and come back when this so when the dust settles. So, yeah, that's that's that's what that's what it means to me. It's it's something that I talk about a lot, too, that I'm pretty passionate about.   Because we are in a fight for it now too. You know, all over the world in many, many, many different ways. So my own little way, I try to, you know, help as many people as I can to get the financial park right. Because if you are financially independent and free, you know, you're not going to be forced into a corner or have your back to the wall and be forced to make decisions that are against your principles, your values, and what you believe in. You're going to tell   M.C Laubscher (47:18.466) people to go pound sand. So I want as many people to be in that position as possible.   man, that was an awesome answer, dude. Let's wrap it up, man. It's been awesome having you on the show. Where can our listeners find out more about you? Where can they get that new book? 21 Best Cash Flow Niches. Tell us all about it.   So cashflowninja.com is everything Cashflow Ninja and the book is called the 21 Best Cashflow Ninjas, Creating Wealth and the Best Alternative Cashflow Investments. It's available on Amazon or cashflowninja.com. And when your listeners purchase a copy of the book, just screenshot a proof of your purchase to my team at info at cashflowninja.com and I'll throw in some bonus goodies. I'll give you a digital version of the book if you wanna read it on Kindle.   A audio version of the book, if you just want to listen to it, driving in your car, working out or hanging out. I've actually curated a library of interviews specifically where people talk about these niches. You'll get access to that and more bonus goodies. So it's available on Amazon dot com, but also at cash learning dot com, you'll be able to buy the book. The twenty one best cash flow and it just creating wealth in the best alternative cash flow investments.   Awesome brother. Well, congratulations on the book launch and it's been awesome having you on the show again. I MC let's catch up soon.   M.C Laubscher (48:37.962) Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me.   All right kiddos, MC Lobster, the cash flow ninja, drop in bombs. As always, he always comes up with all these new ideas, all these new ways to create cash flow and income outside of the box. We're not just talking about real estate. We're not just talking about stocks, bonds and mutual funds. We're talking about agriculture, life insurance contracts, all these different ways that you can create income for yourself. There's more than one way.   to create income that does not involve just lawyering, just doctoring, just engineering, just doing your, just creating your active daily, trading your time for money income. So at the end of the day, look, this is the major key. The major key is to get started. Again, I always say start out with a real estate syndication on the passive side because...   that will open your eyes to opportunities. That's what it did for me. When I started investing in commercial real estate to begin with, it was through a passive investment. And then I invested more and then I invested more. And then my network expanded and to people like MC who exposed my mind to ideas about other types of ways to get started in multiple streams of income. Then I bought into franchises, then I bought into crypto, then I bought into all these different things. But until you get started,   and you get this cashflow train moving, you're gonna be stuck. You're gonna be stuck at your day job with one stream of income, putting yourself and your family's financial future at risk. So I encourage you to just get started. So if you're ready to take action and partner with us on one of our next passive real estate deals, go to passiveincomeattorney.com, join our Esquire passive investor club and get started today. All right, kids, until next time, enjoy the journey.   M.C Laubscher (50:34.616) Thank you for listening to the Passive Income Attorney Podcast with Seth Bradley. Do you want more ideas on how to generate multiple streams of passive income? Then jump over to passiveincomeattorney.com for show notes and resources. Then apply for the private Facebook community by searching for the Passive Income Attorney on Facebook. And we'll see you on the next episode. Links from the Show and Guest Info and Links: Seth Bradley's Links: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq?lang=en M.C Laubscher's Link: https://cashflowninja.com/ https://www.amazon.com/Best-Cashflow-NichesTM-Alternative-Investments/dp/1737883414

Title: Raise The Bar Radio Launch Summary: Seth Bradley unveils his rebranded podcast, Raise the Bar, a bold evolution from The Passive Income Attorney. This show goes beyond passive income, it's about scaling real businesses, raising serious capital, and leveling up your life. Seth shares his personal journey from big law to real estate empire builder and lays out the podcast's structure, purpose, and powerful call to action. Highlights: Rebrand from Passive Income Attorney to Raise the Bar to better reflect the audience: not just attorneys, but all capital raisers, investors, and entrepreneurs Focus has expanded from passive investing to include business building, capital raising, and deal structuring Seth's background: former big law attorney, now securities lawyer, real estate investor, founder of RaiseLaw, Tribevest CLO, and co-founder of multiple startups Personal story: fired from big law, used it as a catalyst to go all-in on real estate and entrepreneurship Podcast is for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs ready to level up and ditch limiting beliefs New podcast structure: Monday – Million Dollar Mondays: how pros build and scale wealth Tuesday – RTB Live / Q&A: live shows, events, guest features Wednesday – Main deep-dive solo or guest interview episode Friday – 1% Closer: tactical, short-form deal-closer insights Theme: go all-in, raise your standards, and raise the bar in life and business Final call to action: subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share with someone who needs to hear it Transcript: Seth Bradley, Esq. (00:05.196) Welcome to the brand new Raise The Bar podcast with yours truly Seth Bradley. This is the show for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs who are ready to take their game to the highest level. If you've been following me for a while, you know this isn't my first rodeo, but we're making a big shift. And today I'm going to break it all down for you. So first, why the rebrand? Why now?   and most importantly, what's in it for you. So let's dive in. So why the rebrand? If you've been rocking with me since the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, first off, cheers to you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. It's changed my life for the better, and I hope it's changed for yours too. Our show is all about helping high income professionals escape the golden handcuffs, start building wealth through passive investing, and it was a killer show. Tons of incredible conversations. But over time,   I realized something. I wasn't just helping attorneys and I wasn't just talking about passive income. I was teaching people how to build a business, how to raise capital, how to structure deals, and how to build legacy wealth. So I had to ask myself, is my brand serving the people I want to serve? And the answer was clear. It was actually yes, but I needed to go bigger, bolder, more direct, and that's how Raise the Bar was born. This show is all about raising standards, raising capital,   and raising the bar on how you build your wealth in your business. I still love and believe in passive investing, but now we're also getting tactical and strategic, providing you with ways to explore active capital raising and entrepreneurship. So you can stop playing small and you can start operating like a real pro. So who am I and why should you listen? I'm Seth Bradley. I'm a securities attorney and a real estate entrepreneur.   who has closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions over the past decade plus. I'm a former big law attorney turned boutique securities law firm founder of RaiseLaw, and additionally, I'm the chief legal officer of TribeBest. I'm the co-founder of Klaviss and StackRack Battery Systems, and also the managing partner of Law Capital Partners. I've closed every kind of real estate transaction you can imagine, from house hacking into a duplex, to closing hundreds of syndications and funds. I've built businesses, I've raised millions,   Seth Bradley, Esq. (02:29.92) and worked with some of biggest names in the game. But here's the thing. I didn't start off in this world. I grew up deep in the mountains of West Virginia. No silver spoon, no family connections in real estate or finance, just grit, hustle, and the willingness to learn. And the willingness to take risks that most people were too scared to take. I walked away from the traditional path. I gave up the cushy, multiple six-figure, big law firm job. I broke free from the golden handcuffs and went   all in on building wealth through alternative investments, capital raising, and entrepreneurship. And now, I help entrepreneurs just like you do the exact same thing. Who is this podcast for? If you're a real estate investor, a capital raiser, or an entrepreneur, or interested in any of those things, if you're interested in raising capital, structuring deals, building a real business, and raise the bar in your life, you're in the right place. If you're ready to ditch the limiting beliefs,   to raise more capital and start thinking like the top 1 % that you are, you belong right here. Let me tell you a quick story. So I was flying high in a big law firm, prestigious law firm, big paycheck, fancy title, all that kind of stuff. But behind the scenes, I was absolutely miserable. I had no control over my time, my future, my life. Then one day I was involuntarily shown the exit. I was fired, just like that. Gut punch.   Looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Because that was the moment I realized, if you're not all in, whether that's a big law firm job, your W-2, whatever it might be, you're going nowhere. That experience forced me to commit 100 % to my own entrepreneurial path. No more safety nets, that was gone. No more playing it safe. So I went all in on real estate, capital raising, entrepreneurship, buying businesses, and I never looked back.   And that's what this show is all about. It's about going all in, raising your standards, raising your game, raising the bar. Not just for yourself, but for everybody around you. And if you're ready to level up, stick around because we're about to take things to another level. Raise the bar structure to give you a mix of high impact content, balancing deep dives, expert insights, short tactical takeaways. And here's the quick breakdown. Million Dollar Mondays, Quick Hit Insights.   Seth Bradley, Esq. (04:56.288) how top entrepreneurs, investors, capital raisers make and keep and scale millions. RTB Live, Q &A Tuesdays, guest appearances, top podcast interviews on When I'm on Other People's Shows, webinars, live speaking events, direct audience Q &As, send me your questions. And of course, the main episode will air on Wednesdays. Deep dive solo episodes for high impact guest interviews, breaking down success, capital raising, entrepreneurship.   On Fridays, we're going to do the 1 % closer, close out your week, fast-paced, short, taxable episodes, focus on closing deals, raising capital, leveling up to get you to be the top 1 % that you are. As we grow, we'll refine and evolve, of course, but right now, that's the game plan to help you level up fast. If you're ready to stop playing small, start raising the bar on your business and your life, hit that subscribe button, and make sure you don't miss that one show, that one single show,   It's going to make a massive impact on your life. And of course, if this has resonated with you, please leave a five star rating review. Share it with someone you love, your acquaintance, your loved one, your family, your friends, someone who really needs to hear it. That's how we grow. That's how we change the game. Welcome to Raise the Bar. Let's go.   Links from the Show: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq?lang=en

Raise The Bar Radio Launch Summary: Seth Bradley unveils his rebranded podcast, Raise the Bar, a bold evolution from The Passive Income Attorney. This show goes beyond passive income, it's about scaling real businesses, raising serious capital, and leveling up your life. Seth shares his personal journey from big law to real estate empire builder and lays out the podcast's structure, purpose, and powerful call to action. Highlights: Rebrand from Passive Income Attorney to Raise the Bar to better reflect the audience: not just attorneys, but all capital raisers, investors, and entrepreneurs Focus has expanded from passive investing to include business building, capital raising, and deal structuring Seth's background: former big law attorney, now securities lawyer, real estate investor, founder of RaiseLaw, Tribevest CLO, and co-founder of multiple startups Personal story: fired from big law, used it as a catalyst to go all-in on real estate and entrepreneurship Podcast is for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs ready to level up and ditch limiting beliefs New podcast structure: Monday – Million Dollar Mondays: how pros build and scale wealth Tuesday – RTB Live / Q&A: live shows, events, guest features Wednesday – Main deep-dive solo or guest interview episode Friday – 1% Closer: tactical, short-form deal-closer insights Theme: go all-in, raise your standards, and raise the bar in life and business Final call to action: subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share with someone who needs to hear it Transcript: Seth Bradley, Esq. (00:05.196) Welcome to the brand new Raise The Bar podcast with yours truly Seth Bradley. This is the show for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs who are ready to take their game to the highest level. If you've been following me for a while, you know this isn't my first rodeo, but we're making a big shift. And today I'm going to break it all down for you. So first, why the rebrand? Why now?   and most importantly, what's in it for you. So let's dive in. So why the rebrand? If you've been rocking with me since the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, first off, cheers to you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. It's changed my life for the better, and I hope it's changed for yours too. Our show is all about helping high income professionals escape the golden handcuffs, start building wealth through passive investing, and it was a killer show. Tons of incredible conversations. But over time,   I realized something. I wasn't just helping attorneys and I wasn't just talking about passive income. I was teaching people how to build a business, how to raise capital, how to structure deals, and how to build legacy wealth. So I had to ask myself, is my brand serving the people I want to serve? And the answer was clear. It was actually yes, but I needed to go bigger, bolder, more direct, and that's how Raise the Bar was born. This show is all about raising standards, raising capital,   and raising the bar on how you build your wealth in your business. I still love and believe in passive investing, but now we're also getting tactical and strategic, providing you with ways to explore active capital raising and entrepreneurship. So you can stop playing small and you can start operating like a real pro. So who am I and why should you listen? I'm Seth Bradley. I'm a securities attorney and a real estate entrepreneur.   who has closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions over the past decade plus. I'm a former big law attorney turned boutique securities law firm founder of RaiseLaw, and additionally, I'm the chief legal officer of TribeBest. I'm the co-founder of Klaviss and StackRack Battery Systems, and also the managing partner of Law Capital Partners. I've closed every kind of real estate transaction you can imagine, from house hacking into a duplex, to closing hundreds of syndications and funds. I've built businesses, I've raised millions,   Seth Bradley, Esq. (02:29.92) and worked with some of biggest names in the game. But here's the thing. I didn't start off in this world. I grew up deep in the mountains of West Virginia. No silver spoon, no family connections in real estate or finance, just grit, hustle, and the willingness to learn. And the willingness to take risks that most people were too scared to take. I walked away from the traditional path. I gave up the cushy, multiple six-figure, big law firm job. I broke free from the golden handcuffs and went   all in on building wealth through alternative investments, capital raising, and entrepreneurship. And now, I help entrepreneurs just like you do the exact same thing. Who is this podcast for? If you're a real estate investor, a capital raiser, or an entrepreneur, or interested in any of those things, if you're interested in raising capital, structuring deals, building a real business, and raise the bar in your life, you're in the right place. If you're ready to ditch the limiting beliefs,   to raise more capital and start thinking like the top 1 % that you are, you belong right here. Let me tell you a quick story. So I was flying high in a big law firm, prestigious law firm, big paycheck, fancy title, all that kind of stuff. But behind the scenes, I was absolutely miserable. I had no control over my time, my future, my life. Then one day I was involuntarily shown the exit. I was fired, just like that. Gut punch.   Looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Because that was the moment I realized, if you're not all in, whether that's a big law firm job, your W-2, whatever it might be, you're going nowhere. That experience forced me to commit 100 % to my own entrepreneurial path. No more safety nets, that was gone. No more playing it safe. So I went all in on real estate, capital raising, entrepreneurship, buying businesses, and I never looked back.   And that's what this show is all about. It's about going all in, raising your standards, raising your game, raising the bar. Not just for yourself, but for everybody around you. And if you're ready to level up, stick around because we're about to take things to another level. Raise the bar structure to give you a mix of high impact content, balancing deep dives, expert insights, short tactical takeaways. And here's the quick breakdown. Million Dollar Mondays, Quick Hit Insights.   Seth Bradley, Esq. (04:56.288) how top entrepreneurs, investors, capital raisers make and keep and scale millions. RTB Live, Q &A Tuesdays, guest appearances, top podcast interviews on When I'm on Other People's Shows, webinars, live speaking events, direct audience Q &As, send me your questions. And of course, the main episode will air on Wednesdays. Deep dive solo episodes for high impact guest interviews, breaking down success, capital raising, entrepreneurship.   On Fridays, we're going to do the 1 % closer, close out your week, fast-paced, short, taxable episodes, focus on closing deals, raising capital, leveling up to get you to be the top 1 % that you are. As we grow, we'll refine and evolve, of course, but right now, that's the game plan to help you level up fast. If you're ready to stop playing small, start raising the bar on your business and your life, hit that subscribe button, and make sure you don't miss that one show, that one single show,   It's going to make a massive impact on your life. And of course, if this has resonated with you, please leave a five star rating review. Share it with someone you love, your acquaintance, your loved one, your family, your friends, someone who really needs to hear it. That's how we grow. That's how we change the game. Welcome to Raise the Bar. Let's go.   Links from the Show: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq

Title: Raise The Bar Radio Launch Summary: Seth Bradley unveils his rebranded podcast, Raise the Bar, a bold evolution from The Passive Income Attorney. This show goes beyond passive income, it's about scaling real businesses, raising serious capital, and leveling up your life. Seth shares his personal journey from big law to real estate empire builder and lays out the podcast's structure, purpose, and powerful call to action. Highlights: Rebrand from Passive Income Attorney to Raise the Bar to better reflect the audience: not just attorneys, but all capital raisers, investors, and entrepreneurs Focus has expanded from passive investing to include business building, capital raising, and deal structuring Seth's background: former big law attorney, now securities lawyer, real estate investor, founder of RaiseLaw, Tribevest CLO, and co-founder of multiple startups Personal story: fired from big law, used it as a catalyst to go all-in on real estate and entrepreneurship Podcast is for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs ready to level up and ditch limiting beliefs New podcast structure: Monday – Million Dollar Mondays: how pros build and scale wealth Tuesday – RTB Live / Q&A: live shows, events, guest features Wednesday – Main deep-dive solo or guest interview episode Friday – 1% Closer: tactical, short-form deal-closer insights Theme: go all-in, raise your standards, and raise the bar in life and business Final call to action: subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share with someone who needs to hear it Transcript: Seth Bradley, Esq. (00:05.196) Welcome to the brand new Raise The Bar podcast with yours truly Seth Bradley. This is the show for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs who are ready to take their game to the highest level. If you've been following me for a while, you know this isn't my first rodeo, but we're making a big shift. And today I'm going to break it all down for you. So first, why the rebrand? Why now?   and most importantly, what's in it for you. So let's dive in. So why the rebrand? If you've been rocking with me since the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, first off, cheers to you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. It's changed my life for the better, and I hope it's changed for yours too. Our show is all about helping high income professionals escape the golden handcuffs, start building wealth through passive investing, and it was a killer show. Tons of incredible conversations. But over time,   I realized something. I wasn't just helping attorneys and I wasn't just talking about passive income. I was teaching people how to build a business, how to raise capital, how to structure deals, and how to build legacy wealth. So I had to ask myself, is my brand serving the people I want to serve? And the answer was clear. It was actually yes, but I needed to go bigger, bolder, more direct, and that's how Raise the Bar was born. This show is all about raising standards, raising capital,   and raising the bar on how you build your wealth in your business. I still love and believe in passive investing, but now we're also getting tactical and strategic, providing you with ways to explore active capital raising and entrepreneurship. So you can stop playing small and you can start operating like a real pro. So who am I and why should you listen? I'm Seth Bradley. I'm a securities attorney and a real estate entrepreneur.   who has closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions over the past decade plus. I'm a former big law attorney turned boutique securities law firm founder of RaiseLaw, and additionally, I'm the chief legal officer of TribeBest. I'm the co-founder of Klaviss and StackRack Battery Systems, and also the managing partner of Law Capital Partners. I've closed every kind of real estate transaction you can imagine, from house hacking into a duplex, to closing hundreds of syndications and funds. I've built businesses, I've raised millions,   Seth Bradley, Esq. (02:29.92) and worked with some of biggest names in the game. But here's the thing. I didn't start off in this world. I grew up deep in the mountains of West Virginia. No silver spoon, no family connections in real estate or finance, just grit, hustle, and the willingness to learn. And the willingness to take risks that most people were too scared to take. I walked away from the traditional path. I gave up the cushy, multiple six-figure, big law firm job. I broke free from the golden handcuffs and went   all in on building wealth through alternative investments, capital raising, and entrepreneurship. And now, I help entrepreneurs just like you do the exact same thing. Who is this podcast for? If you're a real estate investor, a capital raiser, or an entrepreneur, or interested in any of those things, if you're interested in raising capital, structuring deals, building a real business, and raise the bar in your life, you're in the right place. If you're ready to ditch the limiting beliefs,   to raise more capital and start thinking like the top 1 % that you are, you belong right here. Let me tell you a quick story. So I was flying high in a big law firm, prestigious law firm, big paycheck, fancy title, all that kind of stuff. But behind the scenes, I was absolutely miserable. I had no control over my time, my future, my life. Then one day I was involuntarily shown the exit. I was fired, just like that. Gut punch.   Looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Because that was the moment I realized, if you're not all in, whether that's a big law firm job, your W-2, whatever it might be, you're going nowhere. That experience forced me to commit 100 % to my own entrepreneurial path. No more safety nets, that was gone. No more playing it safe. So I went all in on real estate, capital raising, entrepreneurship, buying businesses, and I never looked back.   And that's what this show is all about. It's about going all in, raising your standards, raising your game, raising the bar. Not just for yourself, but for everybody around you. And if you're ready to level up, stick around because we're about to take things to another level. Raise the bar structure to give you a mix of high impact content, balancing deep dives, expert insights, short tactical takeaways. And here's the quick breakdown. Million Dollar Mondays, Quick Hit Insights.   Seth Bradley, Esq. (04:56.288) how top entrepreneurs, investors, capital raisers make and keep and scale millions. RTB Live, Q &A Tuesdays, guest appearances, top podcast interviews on When I'm on Other People's Shows, webinars, live speaking events, direct audience Q &As, send me your questions. And of course, the main episode will air on Wednesdays. Deep dive solo episodes for high impact guest interviews, breaking down success, capital raising, entrepreneurship.   On Fridays, we're going to do the 1 % closer, close out your week, fast-paced, short, taxable episodes, focus on closing deals, raising capital, leveling up to get you to be the top 1 % that you are. As we grow, we'll refine and evolve, of course, but right now, that's the game plan to help you level up fast. If you're ready to stop playing small, start raising the bar on your business and your life, hit that subscribe button, and make sure you don't miss that one show, that one single show,   It's going to make a massive impact on your life. And of course, if this has resonated with you, please leave a five star rating review. Share it with someone you love, your acquaintance, your loved one, your family, your friends, someone who really needs to hear it. That's how we grow. That's how we change the game. Welcome to Raise the Bar. Let's go.   Links from the Show: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq?lang=en

Raise The Bar Radio Launch Summary: Seth Bradley unveils his rebranded podcast, Raise the Bar, a bold evolution from The Passive Income Attorney. This show goes beyond passive income, it's about scaling real businesses, raising serious capital, and leveling up your life. Seth shares his personal journey from big law to real estate empire builder and lays out the podcast's structure, purpose, and powerful call to action. Highlights: Rebrand from Passive Income Attorney to Raise the Bar to better reflect the audience: not just attorneys, but all capital raisers, investors, and entrepreneurs Focus has expanded from passive investing to include business building, capital raising, and deal structuring Seth's background: former big law attorney, now securities lawyer, real estate investor, founder of RaiseLaw, Tribevest CLO, and co-founder of multiple startups Personal story: fired from big law, used it as a catalyst to go all-in on real estate and entrepreneurship Podcast is for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs ready to level up and ditch limiting beliefs New podcast structure: Monday – Million Dollar Mondays: how pros build and scale wealth Tuesday – RTB Live / Q&A: live shows, events, guest features Wednesday – Main deep-dive solo or guest interview episode Friday – 1% Closer: tactical, short-form deal-closer insights Theme: go all-in, raise your standards, and raise the bar in life and business Final call to action: subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and share with someone who needs to hear it Transcript: Seth Bradley, Esq. (00:05.196) Welcome to the brand new Raise The Bar podcast with yours truly Seth Bradley. This is the show for real estate investors, capital raisers, and entrepreneurs who are ready to take their game to the highest level. If you've been following me for a while, you know this isn't my first rodeo, but we're making a big shift. And today I'm going to break it all down for you. So first, why the rebrand? Why now?   and most importantly, what's in it for you. So let's dive in. So why the rebrand? If you've been rocking with me since the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, first off, cheers to you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. It's changed my life for the better, and I hope it's changed for yours too. Our show is all about helping high income professionals escape the golden handcuffs, start building wealth through passive investing, and it was a killer show. Tons of incredible conversations. But over time,   I realized something. I wasn't just helping attorneys and I wasn't just talking about passive income. I was teaching people how to build a business, how to raise capital, how to structure deals, and how to build legacy wealth. So I had to ask myself, is my brand serving the people I want to serve? And the answer was clear. It was actually yes, but I needed to go bigger, bolder, more direct, and that's how Raise the Bar was born. This show is all about raising standards, raising capital,   and raising the bar on how you build your wealth in your business. I still love and believe in passive investing, but now we're also getting tactical and strategic, providing you with ways to explore active capital raising and entrepreneurship. So you can stop playing small and you can start operating like a real pro. So who am I and why should you listen? I'm Seth Bradley. I'm a securities attorney and a real estate entrepreneur.   who has closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions over the past decade plus. I'm a former big law attorney turned boutique securities law firm founder of RaiseLaw, and additionally, I'm the chief legal officer of TribeBest. I'm the co-founder of Klaviss and StackRack Battery Systems, and also the managing partner of Law Capital Partners. I've closed every kind of real estate transaction you can imagine, from house hacking into a duplex, to closing hundreds of syndications and funds. I've built businesses, I've raised millions,   Seth Bradley, Esq. (02:29.92) and worked with some of biggest names in the game. But here's the thing. I didn't start off in this world. I grew up deep in the mountains of West Virginia. No silver spoon, no family connections in real estate or finance, just grit, hustle, and the willingness to learn. And the willingness to take risks that most people were too scared to take. I walked away from the traditional path. I gave up the cushy, multiple six-figure, big law firm job. I broke free from the golden handcuffs and went   all in on building wealth through alternative investments, capital raising, and entrepreneurship. And now, I help entrepreneurs just like you do the exact same thing. Who is this podcast for? If you're a real estate investor, a capital raiser, or an entrepreneur, or interested in any of those things, if you're interested in raising capital, structuring deals, building a real business, and raise the bar in your life, you're in the right place. If you're ready to ditch the limiting beliefs,   to raise more capital and start thinking like the top 1 % that you are, you belong right here. Let me tell you a quick story. So I was flying high in a big law firm, prestigious law firm, big paycheck, fancy title, all that kind of stuff. But behind the scenes, I was absolutely miserable. I had no control over my time, my future, my life. Then one day I was involuntarily shown the exit. I was fired, just like that. Gut punch.   Looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Because that was the moment I realized, if you're not all in, whether that's a big law firm job, your W-2, whatever it might be, you're going nowhere. That experience forced me to commit 100 % to my own entrepreneurial path. No more safety nets, that was gone. No more playing it safe. So I went all in on real estate, capital raising, entrepreneurship, buying businesses, and I never looked back.   And that's what this show is all about. It's about going all in, raising your standards, raising your game, raising the bar. Not just for yourself, but for everybody around you. And if you're ready to level up, stick around because we're about to take things to another level. Raise the bar structure to give you a mix of high impact content, balancing deep dives, expert insights, short tactical takeaways. And here's the quick breakdown. Million Dollar Mondays, Quick Hit Insights.   Seth Bradley, Esq. (04:56.288) how top entrepreneurs, investors, capital raisers make and keep and scale millions. RTB Live, Q &A Tuesdays, guest appearances, top podcast interviews on When I'm on Other People's Shows, webinars, live speaking events, direct audience Q &As, send me your questions. And of course, the main episode will air on Wednesdays. Deep dive solo episodes for high impact guest interviews, breaking down success, capital raising, entrepreneurship.   On Fridays, we're going to do the 1 % closer, close out your week, fast-paced, short, taxable episodes, focus on closing deals, raising capital, leveling up to get you to be the top 1 % that you are. As we grow, we'll refine and evolve, of course, but right now, that's the game plan to help you level up fast. If you're ready to stop playing small, start raising the bar on your business and your life, hit that subscribe button, and make sure you don't miss that one show, that one single show,   It's going to make a massive impact on your life. And of course, if this has resonated with you, please leave a five star rating review. Share it with someone you love, your acquaintance, your loved one, your family, your friends, someone who really needs to hear it. That's how we grow. That's how we change the game. Welcome to Raise the Bar. Let's go.   Links from the Show: https://x.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.youtube.com/@sethbradleyesq www.facebook.com/sethbradleyesq https://www.threads.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.instagram.com/sethbradleyesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethbradleyesq/ https://passiveincomeattorney.com/seth-bradley/ https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/sethbradleyesq https://medium.com/@sethbradleyesq https://www.tiktok.com/@sethbradleyesq

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Ken Van Liew as they talk about how you can stack, scale and supercharge your investment returns! Ken has built Manhattan skyscrapers, studied under Tony Robbins, and has been responsible for over a billion dollars of commercial real estate construction across dozens of projects that have forever changed the New York City skyline. Learn how you can put your money to work for you, rather than the other way around. Enjoy the episode! “If you want to create any type of process mastery, you have to mirror and model, but if you don't set a basis for measuring, you're not going to get the result that you want.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: How Ken got into building Manhattan skyscrapers, the “apex” of commercial development How to transition from W2 engineer to having your own projects Why motivation and productivity are the keys to achieve long term success Why work-life balance is completely unachievable Discover the Modern Wealth Building Formula Ken's hot takes on the hottest investments in today's and tomorrow's market And so much more!   ABOUT | KEN VAN LIEW: Ken Van Liew started his professional career with a civil design engineering job, twins, and two master's degrees, underpinned with a six-figure debt and a burning desire to serve others. Ten years later, he cut the ribbon on the development of a 17-million-dollar, 72,000 square feet, 113-bed assisted living facility. He parlayed this success into a Staten Island waterfront development and began a mastery journey with Tony Robbins. Unfortunately, while attending a Tony Robbins event in Hawaii, his waterfront development was terminated due to the World Trade Center tragedies. This moment gave Ken time to reflect on where he was, where he wanted to be, and the impact he wanted to have. Alongside the syndication and development of over a billion dollars of high-profile real estate investments, Ken created the Modern Wealth Building Formula as the fastest track to building wealth – a project that has empowered thousands of developers over the last 20 years. Simply put, Ken is a titan in the world of real estate responsible for over a billion dollars of construction across dozens of projects and has forever changed the New York skyline. In addition, Ken regularly speaks on stages, including NYU Real Estate Institute and the College of Engineering at Rutgers University, and is a best-selling author. Ken is an unsung hero in the world of stage magic, has been married for over 30 years, and is the proud father of three talented and successful children.   FIND | KEN VAN LIEW: Free 45-min Strategy Session: https://strategic.kenvanliew.com/ Free Book: https://my.kenvanliew.com/freebook Website: www.kenvanliew.com ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by his friend and fellow passive income expert Chad Wittfeldt, as they talk about building your business around your life rather than the other way around. Inside this episode, you'll learn how to live with purpose and with your end game in mind, so that you can choose the right passive income streams for you. Chad is an entrepreneur, master marketer, and real estate investor passionate about freedom, flexibility, and fun. Enjoy the show! “Just be bold, be yourself, and just do what your gut tells you to do. All it takes is one or two wins from doing just that, and you'll feel unstoppable.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Changing to an abundant mindset at an early age resulted from exposure to business owners Using the Wall Street rule of time allocation to your advantage How to be on the cutting edge of cryptocurrency investing Designing a life according to your liking by having a business that can run on its own How you can buy back your time and do the things you love And so much more!   ABOUT | CHAD WITTFELDT: Chad is an entrepreneur and a real estate investor. He started his entrepreneurial journey at a very young age. He quickly got started investing in equities and currency markets in his teens and later moved into real estate investments. While real estate has always been his interest, he didn't know how to get into the market at the time effectively. So he put his skill set to use and has since syndicated over $30,000,000 in apartments. This growth later spawned his marketing agency, where he serves other entrepreneurs by building their attraction-based marketing systems and automation. Today, Chad stays focused on his businesses, creating cash flow, and living a life they told him he couldn't have.   FIND | CHAD WITTFELDT: Website: www.chadwittfeldt.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/chad.wittfeldt ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by fully recovered attorney Emily Hirsekorn as they talk about the necessity for alignment to envision your dream life and move towards it quickly and with purpose. Inside this episode you'll learn how you can go on the journey to building your dream life without leaving your career behind. Emily is a certified professional career coach who helps ambitious lawyers and other professionals navigate their careers and live more balanced lives so they can stress less and achieve more. Enjoy the episode! “Life is just a game. The whole point is not to win, it's to show up and play full out, whatever that means for you.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: -Emily's journey from psychology, to law school, to professional practice, to finally becoming the Lawyer's Career Confidence Coach - How “hope” equals goals, pathways and motivation - How to make big changes with a rational, logical mind - Why you're wasting your time getting more degrees - Why you should build confidence at the early stages of your career - How coaching can help you recognize and harness the power of choice for a better life - Emily's approach when it comes to discovery sessions and prospective clients - How to decide between sticking with your current career path or leaving your practice - Why the purest coaching is about empowerment and not giving advice - And so much more!   ABOUT | EMILY HIRSEKORN: Emily Hirsekorn is the Lawyer's Career Confidence Coach. She is a certified professional coach helping high-achieving lawyers build confidence in themselves, their career choices, and their leadership potential so they can reduce stress, achieve more, and love life. Emily supports clients around the world, ranging from law students gaining confidence for interview success to early-career lawyers navigating the demands of the legal field to law partners reevaluating what's most important in their lives and wanting to shake things up. Emily does 1:1 work and will also be relaunching her Career Confidence Club for Entry-Level Lady Lawyers in 2022.   FIND | EMILY HIRSEKORN: Website: https://www.hirsekorncoaching.com/ Career Confidence Persona Quiz: https://www.hirsekorncoaching.com/confidence Coaching Advocates Website: https://www.coachingadvocates.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hirsekorn_coaching/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyhirsekorn/ ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Robert D. Burr as they talk about the big benefits of investing in oil and gas. No investment in the U.S. provides better tax benefits and incentives than domestic oil and gas production, which makes these types of investments very intriguing for high-income-earning professionals like you. Bob is an absolute icon. He's the president of Panther Exploration and has been in the industry since 1973 with worldwide experience in structuring and funding oil and gas investment ventures. Enjoy the episode! “When you get rich, get rich overnight. . .Be aware 24/7, 265 days a year because that opportunity will come by and you'll miss it if you're not cognizant of that.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: - Robert's entry into the oil business and how he built his empire - Why you must set aside your ego and change your mindset to create and keep a successful team - How you can utilize massive tax write-offs from oil and gas investing against your ACTIVE income - How Robert structures his deals so his investors win every time - Find great business partners - How to succeed in business by putting family first - Optimism and the contrarian investing when it comes to the oil and gas industry - And so much more! ABOUT | ROBERT D. BURR: Robert D. Burr, 74, entered the oil and gas industry in 1973 in Dallas, Texas. He's the President of Panther Exploration (Panex) and is a seasoned professional with worldwide experience in structuring and funding oil and gas investment ventures. Mr. Burr has been responsible for placing over 300 million dollars in his 47-year career in a myriad of industries, with the majority of his efforts being oil and gas ventures. Mr. Burr and his family have been residents of Bowling Green, Kentucky, for over 25 years and have been very active in city and county civic matters. Mr. Burr and his wife, Doris, have been married for 57 years and have five grown children, 20 grandchildren, and nine great-grandchildren. FIND | ROBERT D. BURR: Website: https://www.panex.us/ Email: admin@panex.us ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by John Casmon as they talk about how to utilize and leverage your current skillset and assets to successfully invest in real estate without leaving your day job. Inside you'll learn how to decide if you should invest actively or passively and some of the key things you should look for when making your first investment. John is the managing partner of Casmon Capital, host of the Target Market Insights podcast, and co-founder of the Midwest Real Estate Networking Summit. Enjoy the episode!   “This is not a dream. . .you can absolutely do it. But you have to take action, and one of the easiest things you can do is to reach out.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: John's  transition from a marketing executive to a full time real estate investor How you can leverage your current skillset to invest in real estate in the same way John did with his marketing background 4 things you must look for when making your first real estate investment Deep dive into deciding whether you should invest actively or passively in real estate Why investing in the Midwest is better than investing in Coastal and Sunbelt markets And so much more!   ABOUT | JOHN CASMON: John Casmon launched Casmon Capital Group to help busy professionals invest in real estate without taking on a second job. As a result, they've helped families invest in close to $90M in multifamily apartments to create passive income, reduce their tax obligation, and foster generational wealth. John hosts the Target Market Insights: Multifamily + Marketing podcast. In addition, he is the co-founder of the Midwest Real Estate Networking Summit. As a former marketing executive, John oversaw marketing campaigns for General Motors, PepsiCo, and MillerCoors.   FIND | JOHN CASMON: Website: www.casmoncapital.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/multifamily-apartments-john-casmon/ ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by commercial real estate pro Dan Lewkowicz as they talk about triple net retail and all things commercial real estate. Dan is a seasoned real estate veteran and is the Director of Sales at Encore Real Estate Investment Services. He answers all your burning questions about owning triple net retail assets like Walgreens and fast food restaurants, the future outlook of various commercial real estate assets, the Industrial Revolution 2.0 and how you can get started investing today. Enjoy the episode! “It's very important to educate yourself and to understand your asset class…partner up with a good broker who will help you to underwrite those leases and those properties.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Dan's inflection point of initially getting into real estate How to jump from single family houses to institutional quality commercial real estate What is a triple net lease? Why you should invest in triple net retail assets Walking through a typical triple net retail deal Why Dan is bullish on triple net retail compared to other asset classes Is multifamily still a good investment? Current trends in the marketplace concerning retail and other asset types Industrial Revolution 2.0: the movement of products from online retailers And so much more!   ABOUT | DAN LEWKOWICZ: Dan Lewkowicz is a seasoned real estate veteran with over a decade of experience in many facets of the real estate industry. Starting his career “house hacking,” he quickly moved on to flip houses in and around metro Detroit. Eventually, he created a company called Renaissance Real Estate Ventures, specializing in the acquisition, financing, renovation, and resale of single-family residential properties in the booming city of Detroit, Michigan. Before joining Encore Real Estate Investment Services, Dan was a Senior Advisor at a national real estate brokerage specializing in commercial real estate investment sales. Dan is also a former business development executive for Amazon in Detroit, Michigan. Currently, Dan is director of investment sales at Encore Real Estate Investment Services and specializes in shopping centers, medical office buildings, industrial fulfillment centers, and automotive repair and parts stores. Of lesser-known fact, Dan possesses industry-leading knowledge on cannabis cultivation and its impact on the economy in general and industrial commercial real estate specifically. An expert on Multi-Family and the current economic undercurrents facing this asset class in today's #postcovid world, Dan often expresses the incredible opportunities for investors of all sizes. Dan resides in Oak Park, Michigan, and enjoys running, lifting weights, yoga, and playing acoustic guitar.   FIND | DAN LEWKOWICZ: LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/dan-lewkowicz-7118361 Podcast: https://www.nrmstreamcast.com/videos/dan-on-top/watch-dan-on-top/ Website: http://www.creprocourse.com ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Megan Smiley as they talk about how to find more flow, fulfillment and fun in you life by unshackling from the golden handcuffs and breaking through the traditional school of thought. In this episode, you'll learn how to untrain your brain to live a happier, more fulfilled life. Megan is a recovering attorney turned podcaster and life coach. She provides expert advice on how to get unstuck and start living a lifestyle by design on your own terms. Enjoy the episode! “The world is your oyster – if you're willing to accept that, your possibilities outweigh your limitations.” HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Going to law school for the wrong reasons How to escape the rat race and find an alternative career How much is too much? The realization of not enjoying the job Tips and tricks to get your finances in order before leaving your job How to start thinking about what you want to do instead of what you can do Design your life with a new mindset called “Illegal Design” Stages of unhappiness to determine the best time to leave the profession An explorative approach to turn thoughts into action and real progress And so much more!   ABOUT | MEGAN SMILEY: Megan Smiley is a former corporate lawyer turned coach. She helps lawyers ditch the grind, identify purposeful work, and build businesses that allow them to live life on their own terms. She is also the host of the podcast, The Lawyer's Escape Pod.   FIND | MEGAN SMILEY: Podcast: www.thelawyersescapepod.com Website: www.megansmiley.com ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by best-selling Bigger Pockets author and real estate mogul, Matt Faircloth. You'll learn how investing in real estate can not only change you and your financial future, but also how it transforms the lives of the residents who live in the communities. Matt stresses the importance of building quality homes for families, all while helping you achieve financial freedom through passive real estate investing. Enjoy!   “It's always a good time to look at alternative investing. Don't sit on your hands and wait for the market to crash. It's always a good time to consider well-vetted investments.   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: How to leave a great engineering career behind to invest full time in real estate Getting started in real estate investing through househacking The pros and cons of active and passive real estate investing What you need to know  as a passive investor when looking for in a sponsor How to maintain transparency with your real estate partners How value-add real estate investing transforms the lives of your tenants And so much more! ABOUT | MATT FAIRCLOTH: Matt Faircloth, originally from Baltimore, Maryland, graduated from Virginia Tech with a degree in Engineering. After playing Robert Kiyosaki's Cash Flow game, Matt decided to quit his safe and secure job working as an engineer in a Fortune 500 company to become a full-time real estate investor. Under Matt's leadership, DeRosa has completed over 30 million in real estate transactions involving private capital, including fix and flips, single-family home rentals, mixed-use buildings, apartment buildings, office buildings, and tax lien investments.  Matt has extensive expertise in connecting passive investors to lucrative investment opportunities through syndications, private loans, and joint ventures. Matt Faircloth is an active contributor to BiggerPockets.com through Facebook Live, teaching webinars, and blogging. He leads the Mentorship Mondays series on DeRosa's YouTube channel, where he answers weekly real estate investing questions! On a personal side, he sits on the board of a local nonprofit, volunteers as a trainer for men's leadership weekends, and enjoys making wine (especially red to please his Italian wife!)   FIND | MATT FAIRCLOTH: Website: https://www.derosagroup.com/ Bigger Pockets: https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/mfaircloth YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh1ZdYzX6vKfoAgBypdVo_w Book: https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Private-Capital-Building-Peoples/dp/1947200984 Audiobook: https://www.audible.com/pd/Raising-Private-Capital-Building-Your-Real-Estate-Empire-Using-Other-Peoples-Money-Audiobook/B07G4GXY7V LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdfaircloth/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Nicole Mayer. Nicole is a best-selling author, speaker, founder of Second Opinion Partners and creator of the Live Your Best Life brand. After a sequence of unfortunate events, Nicole found herself in a dark hole with no other way to go, but up. However, with her resilience and perseverance, she was able to build her wealth and become financially free. In this episode, Nicole shares how gratitude, values, and tradeoffs can help you achieve your best life!   “The people with all the things are sometimes the most miserable, unhappy people. And the people that live the most modest lifestyle, but have money and do big things but you would never guess, are truly living their best life.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Scott Maurer. Scott is an attorney and self-directed retirement plan master at Advanta IRA with over 15 years of experience in the industry. Have you ever wondered how you can use your retirement account to diversify out of the stock market and into real estate, businesses or other alternative investments? In this episode, Scott shows you how by simplifying the mysteries of the solo 401(K) and self-directed IRA, and demonstrating the immense tax benefits awaiting your new investment vehicle.   “People are familiar with what they're offered by their employer…but what people don't realize is if you're self-employed or if you have a side business you can create your own 401(k) account.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Senior Director of Tauro Capital,  Alisa Freundlich, and Associate Director of Tauro Capital, Jennifer Santoso. Alisa started her career as a real estate attorney, while Jenn ventured into consulting and business leadership, leading both of these preeminent women towards more prominent industry positions. In this episode, Alisa and Jenn offer creative advice on how you can capitalize on adaptive reuse real estate and how you can effectively evaluate potential risks when buying investment properties. Enjoy!   “When you look at a mountain, climb the mountain and don't label how high it is until you look down and you see how short the path was.” -Jennifer Santoso   “Over time, the market will go down, and the market will go up, but look at any long run…and you'll see what real estate does.” – Alisa Freundlich   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

Join me, Jamie Bateman—as a guest on the Passive Income Attorney Podcast--as Iexplore the journey of transitioning from a W-2 employee to a full-time entrepreneur.From military discipline to building businesses in real estate and mortgage noteinvesting, the path to financial freedom is paved with hard work and perseverance. How did I do it? And how might you do it, too? Tune in to find out.In this episode, you will be able to:Discover the transformative power of discipline in sports.Explore Jamie's personal journey and entrepreneurship for inspiration.Master the art of transitioning to full-time entrepreneurship.Learn the secrets to building multiple streams of income.Uncover the potential of note investing as a cash flow strategy.I think just being afraid to that you have to be perfect. Right. So Iused to be an editor back in the day, and so many things wouldjust not get done or not get completed within our team, ourorganization, because it had to be perfect. - Jamie BatemanEmbracing discipline for triumphTo successfully transition to full-time entrepreneurship, a disciplined approach is crucial.Lessons from previous experiences such as team sports or services like the militaryoften instill a level of discipline that can be effectively transferred into entrepreneurialventures. This discipline, when applied consistently, fuels entrepreneurship andelevates one's chances of financial freedom.The resources mentioned in this episode are:Check out the From Adversity to Abundance Podcast to hear more inspiringstories and gain practical knowledge from founders who have turned adversityinto abundance.Visit labradorlending.com to learn more about mortgage note investing andexplore opportunities to invest passively in note funds for potential monthlyreturns.Get a copy of the book From Adversity to Abundance Podcast to dive deeperinto the stories and insights shared on the podcast.Consider implementing breath work into your daily routine for improved mentaland physical well-being. It only takes 10 minutes a day and can have a significantimpact.Create a vivid vision for your life in the next three to five years and reverse planto take actionable steps towards achieving your goals.Books and ResourcesThe Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful BusinessesConnect with Seth Bradley:LINKTREE: https://linktr.ee/sethbradleyFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/sethpaulbradleyINSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/passiveincomeattorney/LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethpaulbradley/EMAIL: seth@passiveincomeattorney.comConnect with usWEBSITE: https://www.adversity2abundance.comLeave us a rating or review: https://www.adversity2abundance.com/reviews/new/ or hereGot comments, feedback or suggestions? We'd love to hear it! https://www.adversity2abundance.com/contact/ Follow From Adversity to Abundance PodcastFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089126144055INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/adversitytoabundancepodcast/LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/company/89949391/admin/feed/posts/YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@FromAdversity2AbundancePodcast Connect with JamieBOOK: From Adversity to Abundance: Inspiring Stories of Mental, Physical, and Financial TransformationLINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-bateman-5359a811/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/batemanjamesATTENTION:Unlock the secrets to a transformative life with “From Adversity to Abundance: Inspiring stories of Mental, Physical and Financial Transformation”. Buy your copy now and embark on a journey from challenges to triumphs!AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGTWJY1D?ref_=pe_3052080_397514860

On this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Dan Handford, a titan in the multifamily investing industry. Dan shares his journey which includes starting multiple 7-figure businesses from scratch through delegation, automation and scale. Like many of us, Dan was searching for a way to reduce his tax liability and discovered multifamily real estate investing as the perfect vehicle. Dan is now one of the most successful real estate entrepreneurs in the game, and in this episode, he walks us through the 7 red flags you need to look out for when looking into your next passive investment. Enjoy!   “Be a master delegator…That's how I've had the success that I have had…I have been successful at finding and identifying great, solid team members and hiring them in a way to give them the freedom that they need to be able to do things and then delegate a lot of tasks to them.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Jeremy Goodrich, co-founder of Shine Insurance Agency and YouTuber with over 13k subscribers. From former teacher turned real estate insurance mastermind, Jeremy gives a breakdown of what he considers “Insurance 101” and why 80% of investors are not properly protected. From finding what insurance is best suitable for your needs to the three parts of coverage you should keep an eye out for, Jeremy shares his knowledge gained from his fascinating experiences working in the real estate insurance realm. Enjoy!   “The reality is that if it weren't for insurance, none of us would be investing.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with CPA, certified tax coach and real estate investor, Mark Perlberg, how to keep Uncle Sam out of your pockets by implementing the most effective tax saving strategies. If you're a high-income earning professional, and you'd like to know how to keep more of your hard-earned dollars, Mark will share everything you need to know to get started. Enjoy!   “Business ownership is a lot less risky because you have various sources of income, that will hedge you against any risk from any individual source.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with corporate and real estate attorney Jeffrey Love how to avoid the most common mistakes when investing in real estate, as well as the five W's you need to know before starting your own business entity. If you want to hit the ground running with your business and investments to set yourself up for quick success, Jeff will share all you need to know to get started. Enjoy!   “You want to build net worth and become wealthy. There's only a certain amount of hours in the day, so being able to make money while you're sleeping is going to help you get there.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with expert multifamily investor, Alex Kholodenko, how he used his W2 income generated in big tech to invest passively in commercial real estate. If you want to learn how to invest smart and avoid common investing mistakes, make sure you listen to Alex, who shares his extensive experience in real estate. Enjoy!   “You've got to understand the basics and the fundamentals: the business plan, the market, the projections, and the risks.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with “business therapist” and former big law attorney, Darren Frank, about the best practices for breaking the golden handcuffs to live a life of freedom by allocating your time and dollars to multiple streams of income. If you need more time in your life to spend with your family or travel more, check out this show as Darren teaches us how to take that big leap. Enjoy!   “We're like sharks in a way. You keep swimming or you die. You've got to figure out a way to keep swimming and keep improving and keep getting better.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with rock star property and construction manager, Colin Douthit, how to effectively manage a property for profits after the purchase is closed. Colin tells us how he helps his clients after the deal is closed and gives us some insight about investing in the Kansas City market. For him, passive income added stability to his life, which a 9-5 just couldn't offer. Enjoy! “Passive income added a baseline stability to my life that a W2 job didn't always have. You can get fired one day at a W2 job, so just having that baseline is really great.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with attorney and investor Jonathan Twombly, about his transition from being a big law attorney to becoming a full time real estate investor. Jonathan focuses on how to play it safe on real estate investments for conservative people like attorneys or doctors sharing with us his transition. For him, the only risk is not investing and depending on one active source of income. Enjoy!   “I have a fiduciary approach to investors, because I was trained as a fiduciary, and I really believe that my investors come first, if I have a conflict between my interests and their interests, their interests come first, and I take it really, really seriously.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Hemal Badiani, founder and managing partner of Exponential Equity. Hemal shares his meteoric rise of how he transitioned from single family homes to investing in large apartment complexes, all while successfully working in a full time W2 career. Hemal lets us in on the key concepts he learned from CEOs and mentors that helped guide him through the transitional period of scaling up his investments using a simple 3 step process. Additionally, Hemal gives his insight on active vs. passive real estate investing, along with his stance on traditional investing like stocks and bonds vs alternative investments like commercial real estate. For him it's about meeting your returns without assuming too much risk. Tune in for more!   “You've got to climb down that mountain and go up a new one. It's going to be hard, but there is something that is your true calling…and you know it in your heart.”   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with “The Cashflow Ninja,” M.C. Laubscher, about multiplying your cash flow by making it work for you in multiple places at once, as well as the dynamics of infinite banking. In this episode, you'll discover what you can do to prepare for the greatest wealth transfer in human history. M.C. breaks down the four pillars of the “Business of Multiplying Capital” framework. For him, the end goal is to achieve freedom to do what you want, when you want, with the ones you love. Enjoy!   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with “The Fearless Investor,” Kyle Stanley, about passive income using AirBnB. Kyle reveals the secrets of how he outsources most of the work that AirBnB properties require in order to make them completely passive. We also learn an incredibly powerful tool called the M.A.S approach that can apply to any business. Enjoy!   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of The Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth discusses with passive investing legend Jeremy Roll how to diversify your investment portfolio utilizing truly passive investments and retire from the rat race in 5 years or less. Jeremy explained the importance of focusing your investment strategy to match your goals. For him, reducing exposure to volatility and freeing up his time are at the top of the list. Enjoy!   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

Join Seth Bradley and Neal Bawa in this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast as they chat about how data science can help you predict the future and prevent you from losing all your capital during this uncertain economic landscape. Neal will share his expert insight into identifying extraordinary investment opportunities, even during turbulent times. Enjoy the episode! Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Combining data science with Real Estate How to be successful at many things Are we in a recession? The debate continues on Analysis of the last six recessions and how this one shapes up Where smart investors should place their capital during uncertain times How to multiply your wealth during a recession The “Super Value Add” concept ABOUT | NEAL BAWA: Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 700 investors. The current portfolio is over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion.   Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data-driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His Facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. He also believes that the Build-to-rent will become a much larger and more profitable part of the Multifamily asset class over the next 5 years, due to its uniquely desirable characteristics. Neal's vision is to combine the Build-to-rent asset class with blockchain tokenization to democratize commercial real estate.   FIND | NEAL BAWA: Website: www.grocapitus.com LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealbawa/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NealBawaMFU/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Russ Morgan and Joey Mure as they talk about how to create your own economy without the shackles of Wall Street. Seth, Joey and Russ take a deep dive into how to build your network, create multiple streams of income and design a lifestyle. Russ and Joey are co-founders of Wealth Without Wall Street, an online community that seeks to re-educate business owners and families on how money works. They share the mindset and strategies you need to achieve true financial independence. Enjoy the episode!   “It doesn't matter what the returns are on a particular investment. If you're not really well aligned with that investment, it doesn't matter - it's not going to be successful.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ How Russ and Joey formed Wealth Without Wall Street ✅ How to breakdown your goals based on your “why” ✅ What is infinite banking and how can it help you achieve financial freedom ✅ Russ and Joey's secret sauce – what they're investing in right now ✅ The biggest lies taught about traditional education ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | RUSS MORGAN: Wealth Without Wall Street's founder and partner, Russ Morgan, is known as “The Idea Guy.” Russ began his professional career as an investment advisor in 2004 after graduating from Auburn University — a slight foray from 10-year-old Russ' dream of becoming a professional baseball pitcher. Russ started IBC in 2009 and eventually found Wealth Without Wall Street in 2015. Russ' mother was an enormous inspiration for him growing up. As a single mother with two young children, she took a rigorous, accelerated track through college while working multiple jobs, all with the goal of bettering her children's lives. When he's not working, you can wave to Russ on a boat at the lake, pulling his kids around on a tube. And on Sunday mornings, he's probably rushing to church with his family … only 10 minutes late.   Russ' creativity, fresh ideas, and knack for problem-solving are indispensable assets to his role at Wealth Without Wall Street. Russ would describe himself as competitive, creative, and passionate; his colleagues would likely add that he is helpful and abundant. Russ hopes to be remembered as an innovator who loves to teach others, and he has a goal to one day serve in the mission field. Finishing the book is another near-term goal. Aside from Wealth Without Wall Street, Russ learns from the Business School podcast with Sharran Srivatsaa and Donald Miller's Building A StoryBrand book and podcast. Aspire Movement, Campus Outreach, and Young Business Leaders are three causes near Russ' heart. Russ in one motto? “Just try!”   ABOUT | JOEY MURE: Joey Mure, founder and partner at Wealth Without Wall Street, brings impact, integrity, and generosity to the company every day. He hopes to be remembered as a lover of Jesus, a devoted husband, and a faithful father. Despite dreaming, around age 10, of becoming an orthopedic surgeon, Joey was in the mortgage business for 11 years before moving to finance in 2014. His personal mentor, Nelson Nash — another man of integrity and impact — is someone Joey deeply admires. Joey's strengths in building relationships, asking great questions, and influencing and empowering people with the Wealth Without Wall Street message make him invaluable to the company's mission. He is relational, impactful, and a true leader. His colleagues would add that he's thoughtful, funny, and a family man. Many people don't know that Joey ate a 72-ounce steak dinner once. If he could be anywhere other than work, you'd find him at the beach with his family. And every Sunday morning, they're worshipping the Lord. A lifetime goal of Joey's is to impact the world for Christ; a more near-term goal is to purchase a beach house for my family. Aside from Wealth Without Wall Street, Joey listens to Sharran Srivatsaa's Business School podcast and Donald Miller's Building A StoryBrand podcast. He's happiest when traveling with his wife or golfing with his girls. He cares deeply about Campus Outreach, Cru, Navigators, Sav a Life, Lifeline Adoption, and Young Business Leaders. His aims to live by the words “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your path (Prov 3:5-6).”   FIND | RUSS MORGAN & JOEY MURE: Website: https://www.wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3gPe_2b_SSqnWw-llpE5zw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wealthwithoutwallstreet Twitter: https://twitter.com/withoutwallst Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wealth-without-wall-street/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wealthwithoutwallst/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by international investor Louis O'Connor, as they take a deep dive into creating geographic diversification through investing in rare earth metals, which play an integral part in producing the latest technologies from smartphones to self-driving cars. Louis is the founder and principal of Strategic Metals Invest, an investment company holding strategic metals as tangible assets. In this episode, he provides a crash course on investing in rare earth metals and the concept of geographic diversification. Enjoy the episode!   “To thine own self be true.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Passion for travel and adventure combined with work ✅ Importance of geographic diversification in business and in life ✅ How to invest in rare earth metals ✅ How you can get started with Strategic Metals Invest ✅ Tax issues encountered from this asset class ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | LOUIS O'CONNOR: Louis O' Connor is the founder and principal of Strategic Metals Invest, which offers private investors the opportunity to physically own and profit from holding strategic metals as tangible assets. Louis emigrated from his home in Dublin, Ireland, in 1988 and spent ten years in West Germany working directly for BMW in sales and marketing, expanding BMW's tax-free operation to include all NATO forces throughout Europe. The role also expanded to US Navy's 6th fleet and later included the Middle East. In 1998 Louis moved to Panamá, creating a boutique concierge business for North Americans and Europeans looking to invest in Central and South America. In 2020 Louis relocated to Europe to create Strategic Metals Invest.   FIND | LOUIS O'CONNOR: Website: https://strategicmetalsinvest.com/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by recovering attorney Michael Gilman as they talk about the transition to billing less and living more by obtaining financial freedom through real estate investing. Michael is a Brooklyn Law School graduate, a former Wall Street securities attorney and the founder of Cross Mountain Capital. He shares how he replaced his legal-generated active income with income generated from real estate investing. Enjoy the episode!   “No one really knows what they're capable of until they set out to do it.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ From billing hours to owning real estate ✅ Why waiting to invest later will cost you your freedom ✅ How Michael bought back his freedom, one investment at a time ✅ Investment strategies at Cross Mountain Capital ✅ How a “take action now” mindset can make all the difference ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | MICHAEL GILMAN: Michael started his career as a securities attorney on Wall Street. Michael began to invest in real estate close to ten years ago and left the W-2 world two years ago to focus on expanding his real estate platform Cross Mountain Capital Management, and his affiliated property management and construction company - MSA Properties. In the last two years, Michael has raised over $10 million in capital and acquired over 500 units as the lead and often sole sponsor.   FIND | MICHAEL GILMAN: Website: https://www.crossmountaincapital.com/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Hunter Thompson as they take a deep dive into the whats, whens and hows for investing in this incredibly opportunistic time. With powerful influences such as an inverted yield curve, rising interest rates and soaring inflation, in this episode Seth and Hunter will give you the insights you need to intelligently navigate and capitalize during this potentially lucrative investing landscape. If you had $100,000 to invest, inside you'll learn the most optimal place to invest it. Hunter is a full-time real estate investor, the founder of Asym Capital, the host of the Cash Flow Connections Real Estate Podcast which has over 1M downloads and the best-selling author of Raising Capital for Real Estate. Enjoy the episode!   “Speed beats pretty much everything.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ How Hunter adapted the passive approach to make it his own ✅ The hybrid approach between a passive and active investor ✅ Is capital raising a passive or active investing approach? ✅ Should you take the step from W-2 to capital raising? ✅ How does an inverted yield curve affect your investing thesis? ✅ Intelligently investing during rising inflation and interest rates ✅ $100,000 to invest - Where do you put it? ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | HUNTER THOMPSON: Hunter is a full-time real estate investor and founder of Asym Capital (“AY-SIM). Since founding Asym, Hunter has helped more than 400 retail investors acquire over $150,000,000 of mobile home parks, self-storage, retail, office, ATMs, and cryptocurrency assets. Hunter is also the host of the Cash Flow Connections Real Estate Podcast, which has received over 1,000,000 downloads.   He also wrote Raising Capital for Real Estate, which hit #1 on Amazon in Real Estate Sales and Selling.   FIND | HUNTER THOMPSON: The FREE 100K to Invest Summit: https://100ktoinvest.com/hunter-thompson-100k-to-invest-summit-funnelsjayh05f?affiliate_id=3755895 Website: http://www.raisingcapitalforrealestate.com/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

In this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by best-selling BiggerPockets author and expert real estate investor J Scott as they take a deep dive into why J decided to make the switch to multifamily investing even after building a wildly successful house flipping business. In this episode, J will tell you why you must invest in real estate, even if you don't love, or even like, real estate. Seth and J discuss the 5 things you must evaluate before investing in your next real estate deal. J is an entrepreneur, investor, advisor, and co-host of the BiggerPockets Business Podcast. He shares his vast experience in the industry to guide you through your first, or your next, real estate investment. Enjoy the episode!   “Figure out your highest and best use on your active side, and then for the passive side, figure out how you're going to scale.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ How a tech guy made millions in the real estate space ✅ The Hollywood mentality of real estate investors ✅ Skip the flip: Why J went from house flipper to multifamily operator ✅ Should you quit your job?: Your highest and best use ✅ Why you should never flip a house if you're an attorney ✅ The team game of multifamily real estate ✅ The 5 things you MUST evaluate before investing in your next real estate deal ✅ Quick tips to improve on the pro forma of syndications ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | J SCOTT: J Scott (he goes by “J”) is an entrepreneur, investor, advisor, and co-host of The BiggerPockets Business Podcast.   He has bought, built, rehabbed, sold, syndicated, and held over $70M in residential property and currently owns several hundred units.   J is the author of four best-selling books on real estate investing, with sales of over 300,000 copies.   FIND | J SCOTT: Website: https://www.jscott.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jscottinvestor BiggerPockets Business Podcast: https://www.jscott.com/bp-business-podcast/ Books: https://www.jscott.com/my-books/   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Omar Khan as they take a deep dive into using a qualitative approach to vetting a sponsor when considering an investment into your next passive real estate deal. Seth and Omar also examine what you can look for in the sponsor's underwriting that may save you from a bad investment. They also discuss what you should expect from a quality operator AFTER closing. Omar is a master investor and the founder of Boardwalk Wealth, a private equity firm based in Dallas, Texas. Enjoy the episode!   “Measure twice, cut once, and be a little patient.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ From the finance world to commercial real estate ✅ Quantitative vs. qualitative approach to vetting a sponsor ✅ Red flags to look out for when vetting a sponsor ✅ Important points to look for in underwriting ✅ What you can expect AFTER closing the deal ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | OMAR KHAN: Omar Khan is the founder of Boardwalk Wealth. Omar is responsible for capital raising, strategic planning, and investor relations. He has over ten years of global investment experience.   He has participated in capital financing and M&A transactions valued at $3.7 billion. He is a CFA Charterholder and graduated with honors from the University of Toronto with a Bachelor of Commerce in Finance.   Omar moved from Canada and lives in Texas with his wife and newborn son.   FIND | OMAR KHAN: Website: https://www.boardwalkwealth.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/boardwalkwealth Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/omark1/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/boardwalkwealth/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/boardwalkwealth   ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by asset protection attorney Mark Pierce as they talk about protecting your hard-earned assets from lawsuits and catastrophes. Inside this episode, you'll learn how you can use Wyoming limited liability companies to protect your wealth, structure your estate planning and set yourself and your family up for generational success. Mark is an attorney, accountant, and owner of Cloud Peak Law. Enjoy the episode!   “Put your estate plan in place upfront, put your business structure in place upfront, pay the taxes as they come down, and go enjoy your life.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Leaving big law to go into private equity ✅ How to create a cash flow business from your knowledge as an attorney ✅ How to cover your assets with limited liability companies ✅ The best time to form an LLC for asset protection ✅ The biggest mistakes in asset protection ✅ Everything you need to know about the charging order protection ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | MARK PIERCE: Mark Pierce is an attorney, an accountant, and the owner of Cloud Peak Law. With over three decades of experience, Pierce has truly “seen it all” – at least from a legal perspective. This is apparent from the diversity of fields in which he has assisted clients over the years. Those fields range from bankruptcy and estate planning to oil and gas and securities. His core expertise lies in three fields: securities, M&As, and asset protection, which is where his firm, Cloud Peak Law, comes in. With Cloud Peak, Pierce concentrates on asset protection, helping individuals and businesses of all sizes to safeguard their assets by forming an LLC based in the state of Wyoming.   FIND | MARK PIERCE: Website: https://wyomingllcattorney.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-pierce-70185725/  

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by the Cash Flow Ninja, M.C. Laubscher, as they talk about the many ways to create cash flow outside of your active income. Inside this week's show, you'll discover M.C.'s favorite niche cash flow generators that you've never heard of. M.C. is a cashflow investor, serial entrepreneur, creator, host of the Cashflow Ninja podcast, and CEO of Producers Wealth. He imparts his expert wisdom when it comes to the idea of diversification across many different types cash flow you can create for yourself. Enjoy the episode!   “Pay taxes on the seed, not the harvest.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Opportunities present themselves when there is access to information, technology, and education ✅ The best investment vehicles to put your money in to achieve financial freedom ✅ Never get stuck in only one investment – diversify with alternatives ✅ Lesser-known niches you need to know about ✅ How to invest in cryptocurrency in an uncertain market ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | M.C. LAUBSCHER: M.C. Laubscher is a husband, dad, podcaster, author and cashflow expert.   As a cashflow investor and entrepreneur, M.C.'s passion is assisting investors and business owners to create, recover, warehouse, and multiply cashflow through advanced strategies.   Having figured out how to escape the rat race and replace his income through cashflow investing, he shares how highly paid professionals and business owners can replace their incomes through cashflow investing strategies to escape the rat race.   He is focused on helping business owners and investors capitalize on their economic opportunities in times of great change, disruption, and chaos.   M.C. is the creator and host of the top-rated business and investing podcasts, Cashflow Ninja and Cashflow Investing Secrets.   The Cashflow Ninja Podcast has been downloaded over 4.5 million times in over 180 countries and has been featured as one of the top 48 podcasts for entrepreneurs by Entrepreneur Magazine, and is regularly featured as one of the top 100 podcasts by Apple Podcasts.   M.C. also founded Producers Wealth, an insurance brokerage helping clients in the United States with advanced cashflow strategies, and Producers Capital Partners, a firm assisting investors all over the world to invest in alternative assets that produce passive income in any economy and market.   FIND | M.C. LAUBSCHER: Website: https://cashflowninja.com/ Get The 21 Best Cashflow Niches book here: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Cashflow-NichesTM-Alternative-Investments/dp/1737883414  

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by build-to-rent expert Adam Stern as they talk about why the build-to-rent model is so powerful and how it has and will continue to transform the commercial real estate landscape. Adam is the founder and CEO of Strata SFR, a company focused on the single-family portfolio rental sector. Inside this episode Adam and Seth take a deep dive into the intricacies of the build-to-rent asset class and the unique risk mitigation propositions and exit strategies that has made this industry skyrocket. Enjoy the episode!   “The more people you connect with, the more wealth and opportunities you get to share and see.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ The cost-effectiveness of building a new house rather than buying an existing one ✅ What the build-to-rent asset class is, and why it is attracting so much attention ✅ How BTR differs from multifamily ✅ The advantages of multiple exit strategies ✅ Adam's insights on the future of the BTR asset class ✅ And so much more!   ABOUT | ADAM STERN: Adam Stern has transacted on more single-family rental portfolios than any other single professional in the SFR industry. He has built a firm presence in the institutional single-family rental industry since its emergence in 2010. Over the past decade, he has made a career listing and selling existing rental property portfolios to and for some of the largest institutional investors in the space, as well as newly emerging private equity groups.   Adam has over a decade of real estate experience. Before launching Strata SFR, he was the president and co-founder of an online single-family rental property marketplace, OwnAmerica, which was sold in 2019.   FIND | ADAM STERN: Strata SFR: https://stratasfr.com/ ListHyve: https://listhyve.com/  

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by international speaker, coach and commercial airline pilot Steve Rozenberg as they talk about how to protect yourself from economic downturns and unfortunate life events by investing in real estate and businesses that will create cash flow and equity. Inside you'll learn how Steve went from furloughed to flourishing by discovering massive opportunities in real estate. An international speaker, coach, and real estate investor, Steve shares how he controls his destiny by creating his own economy. Enjoy the episode!   “Be very careful who you tell your dreams to because more people would rather see you fail than succeed.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: 9/11 Story: A safe and secure job lost in a split second The single biggest risk to your financial stability How coaching can help accelerate your business growth Ownership, accountability, and responsibility What compelled Steve to be in the coaching business Ask yourself why and identify your end goal And so much more!   ABOUT | STEVE ROZENBERG: Steve Rozenberg is an international commercial airline pilot who, after the tragedies of 9/11, was forced to realize that his “Safe and Secure career” was nowhere near as safe and secure as he had thought. Steve chose real estate investing to control his destiny and create generational wealth. Steve created the fastest-growing property management company in the state of Texas. Managing over 1,000 properties across three major metropolitan cities. Steve built the business up and created maximum cash flow positioning his company for a very profitable exit. Along with growing his property management company, Rozenberg has flipped, owned, and wholesaled hundreds of single-family homes and apartment complexes across the US. Parlaying all of the success from real estate investing and property management growth, Steve has gone on to be one of the most well-known influencers in the Real Estate Community. He is a top contributor to BiggerPockets and other top-level real estate platforms. Additionally, he has been a guest and collaborated on countless panels, webinars, masterminds, conferences, podcasts, as well as being a published author. An international speaker, Steve has spoken on numerous stages across the US, Australia, New Zealand, and Europe. Steve is best known for coaching people on having the right mindset to become a successful Real Estate Investor while making sure they have strategies and tactics in alignment to achieve their intended goals. He is passionate about helping new and experienced investors deal with the everyday and the extraordinary challenges in a way that only leaders in the industry know how to overcome.   FIND | STEVE ROZENBERG: Website: https://steverozenberg.com/ Millionaire Mindset Academy: https://stevesmindset.com/academy Think Tank Mastermind: https://livethinktank.com/home  

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by tax attorney Steve Moskowitz as they talk about how creating more wealth will actually allow you to pay less taxes. Inside this episode, you'll learn how to bulletproof your taxes so you'll no longer fear the IRS or an audit. Steve will show you why having a great accountant on your team might not be enough - you need a great tax attorney. You'll learn how to take advantage of every dollar that you deserve to keep, but nothing that you don't. Steve is a tax attorney with over 30 years of experience and the founder of the tax law firm, Moskowitz LLP. Enjoy the episode!   “Most people cheat on their taxes. . .they cheat themselves.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: A CPA who stumbled upon law school Why you need more than just a great accountant on your team Why are you cheating on your taxes? Four big benefits of having a pension Taking everything you deserve, but nothing that you don't Should you fear the IRS? How to sleep easy during an audit What actually happens when you get audited by the IRS And so much more!   ABOUT | STEVE MOSKOWITZ: As a tax attorney for more than 30 years, Steve knows that clients' lives – and livelihoods – can be upended or even destroyed when tax trouble arises. With extensive knowledge of tax law, a desire for swift and vigorous defense, and decades of experience with tax authorities and in the courts, he is unusually perceptive in assessing the best way forward and the right resources to achieve resolution. Steve started Moskowitz LLP because he saw that while big corporations were consistently navigating the tax code to their advantage, smaller businesses and individuals were not. With prior experience as a CPA at a national accounting firm and extensive experience in the corporate world, Steve knew he could help smaller businesses and individuals by applying what he knew. He wanted to make a critical difference in businesses and individual lives that protected them from the powerful government and enabled them to keep and enjoy the fruits of a lifetime of work that otherwise could be taken away from clients by the government in just one action. Today – together with a full team of tax attorneys, CPAs, enrolled agents, and other professional staff – Moskowitz LLP helps business and individual clients across the country and overseas to resolve a wide variety of tax matters. The Moskowitz LLP team also creates strategies to utilize the tax code and relevant treaties to clients' benefit and provides ongoing tax support and tax return preparation. Unlike most firms, Moskowitz LLP clients pay a flat fee and are not subject to hourly rates.   FIND | STEVE MOSKOWITZ: Website: https://moskowitzllp.com/  

On this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth is joined by Jorge Fajardo as they talk about how knowing all the rules gives you the advantage to play the game better, whatever your profession may be. Jorge is the founder of Keystone Property Investments and holds degrees in law and finance. He shares how getting into law school, learning new skills, and thinking like a lawyer can add rocket fuel to your success. Enjoy the episode!   “What better way to play the game than by knowing all the rules.”   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Intertwining finance, law and real estate Thinking like a lawyer to achieve massive success Using all the tools in the toolkit to get you where you want to be How artificial intelligence will influence your investing success sooner rather than later Warning signs of an upcoming housing crash Why you should have the courage to take the leap And so much more!   ABOUT | JORGE FAJARDO: After his Juris Doctorate (Law Degree) from FIU College of Law and a BS in Finance from Florida State University, Jorge started his career in the mortgage and finance industry in 2002. To pursue this interest on a larger scale, Jorge built his own mortgage company. Amid the foreclosure crisis occurring during 2008-2015, Jorge used his vast knowledge and talents to help the homeowners experiencing distress due to financial hardships. As Director of Loss Mitigation for a high-profile law firm in South Florida, Jorge was directly involved in handling and settling over 1,000 foreclosure cases. Jorge established Keystone Property Investments, LLC (KPI) in 2015 and has since bought and sold over 100 properties in SFR and multifamily space. He currently holds an impressive portfolio of multifamily, single-family, and vacation rental properties. KPI has lucrative joint ventures in place with a vast network of GCs, Engineers, and Project Managers, allowing the company to scale and take on several projects simultaneously throughout different parts of Florida. Jorge still holds an NMLS lending license and works with other investors providing private lending and financing to guide and help them fund their real estate deals.   FIND | JORGE FAJARDO: Keystone Property Investments Website: https://verdicigroup.com/ Isum360 Website: https://isum360.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jorgefajardokpi/  

Prepare to be deeply inspired as Seth takes you on an extraordinary journey in this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast. Join him in a riveting conversation with Mikkel Thorup, the highly sought-after expat consultant, and explore a world of limitless possibilities beyond your current horizons. Whether you're a seasoned expat looking to elevate your financial game or someone with dreams of an adventurous life and financial freedom, today's episode guarantees an enlightening and transformative experience that will leave an indelible mark on your life. "I don't worry about the stock market. You can make 12% or 15% and you are just as likely to lose it all. I would rather put it into a real estate deal that I can actually see, that I can actually touch. It might be 6% or 8%, but I would rather have that stability and the passive nature of a lot of it.” - Mikkel Thorup   Have you ever wondered how it is to be a global citizen? Tune in to find out. HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Mikkel's unconventional path to success ✅ Insights into his business model and clientele ✅ Understanding expat life and reasons for relocation ✅ Expanding customer base and delving further into Mikkel's portfolio ✅ Exploring Investor Visas and Residency in Panama ✅ Front-end investments in Tax-Free Zones and prime locations ✅ Investing, citizenship, and taxation for US citizens ✅ Exploring the world and Mikkel's "Freedom Four"   ABOUT | MIKKEL THORUP: Mikkel Thorup is the world's most sought-after expat consultant. He focuses on helping high-net-worth private clients to legally mitigate tax liabilities, obtain a second residency and citizenship, and assemble a portfolio of foreign investments, including international real estate, timber plantations, agricultural land and other hard-money tangible assets. Mikkel is the Founder and CEO at Expat Money™, a private consulting firm started in 2017. He hosts the popular weekly podcast, the Expat Money Show, and is a multiple #1-Best Selling author, including the definitive expat book: Expat Secrets - How To Pay Zero Taxes, Live Overseas And Make Giant Piles Of Money, and his second book: Expats Guide On Moving To Mexico. A world traveller since his teens, Mikkel Thorup has learned his craft in three unique and unconventional ways; first, by living it himself, continuously pushing the boundaries and testing new ideas around the globe; next, from diligent and intense study consuming over 2000 books and courses on the subject; and finally, by apprenticing and learning directly from the world's top legal experts in his field. Mikkel has dedicated himself for over two decades to building this mountain of knowledge, one that is not constrained by languages, cultures, or borders. He now works one-on-one with private clients utilizing this combination of hard-won experience and in-depth knowledge and has helped hundreds of people to secure their new lives abroad. CONNECT | MIKKEL THORUP: ✅ Website: https://MikkelThorup.com ✅ Website: https://expatmoney.com/  ABOUT | SETH BRADLEY: Seth Bradley is a real estate entrepreneur and an expert at creating passive income while working as a highly paid, busy professional. He's closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions as an attorney and investor. He's the Managing Partner of Law Capital Partners, a private equity firm focused on value-add real estate acquisitions and development. He's a former big law attorney, most recently practicing in the real estate and securities department of a top 3 globally-ranked law firm. He's also the host of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, educating attorneys and other professionals on how to stop trading their time for money so that they can practice when they want to, not because they have to.   ️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:  Don't Know Where to Start?: www.sethpaulbradley.com Download The Freedom Blueprint: www.attorneybydesign.com Subscribe and Leave a Rating and Review: ✅ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-passive-income-attorney-podcast/id1543049208 ✅ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5a0Qp9G2x337nZCDWoVgoO?si=MKn01_t8Tfu0JBZCnagrCw   Websites: ✅ Coaching: www.passiveincomepro.io ✅ Legal: www.syndicationshop.com ✅ Podcast: www.passiveincomeattorney.com ✅ Investing: www.lawcapitalpartners.com   Follow Us: ✅ LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethpaulbradley ✅ Facebook: www.facebook.com/passiveincomeattorney ✅ Instagram:  www.instagram.com/passiveincomeattorney ✅ YouTube: www.youtube.com/@sethpaulbradley ✅ TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@passiveincomeattorney  

How well do we understand what it takes to gain financial freedom? In this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, join Seth as he engages in a compelling discussion with the esteemed Curtis May from Practical Wealth Advisors. Together, they delve into the critical aspects of achieving true financial freedom and the indispensable steps and processes involved. Curtis, with his extensive background in educating clients about money and finances, brings a treasure trove of wisdom to the table, ensuring an enriching and enlightening conversation that will leave listeners inspired and empowered. Tune in as they unlock the secrets to understanding what it truly takes to attain financial independence. "Here's what we give to people on the three rules of investing. First, invest in what you know, because investing is not about buying something, it's about becoming something. Most people don't want to become, that's the problem. The second thing we teach, invest in something which you can control, which you can influence the outcome. The third is don't chase returns." – Curtis May HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Investing basics: Rules, assumptions, and fine print. ✅ Mindful spending: Avoiding unnecessary expenses. ✅ Financial independence: Defining the goal. ✅ Importance of passive income: Risks of relying on active income. ✅ Generating business as a professional. ✅ Principles of personal finance success. ✅ Maximizing financial efficiency: Three types of money.  

How important is financial education to lawyers? On this episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, Seth welcomes Laura Terrell as they discuss about a broad range of topics from biggest pain points to financial readiness of lawyers and professionals. "If I'm interested in it, and then willing to commit the time to learning it, it's worth plunging in. You don't know what you can do until you've tried it, and you don't know how successful or how limited you can be in something until you give it a shot."-Laura Terrell   HIGHLIGHTS: Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: ✅ Laura's background: from The Whitehouse to an executive coach ✅ Working with the right people and asking questions ✅ Biggest pain points from clients ✅ The perspective of investing in yourself ✅ Understanding the financial metrics of your firm ✅ On Investing and understanding diversification ✅ Being honest about what's important to you about money.    ABOUT | LAURA TERRELL: Laura Terrell is an executive coach with over twenty-five years of experience as a legal and business leader. She offers an insider's perspective for business, legal and corporate professionals, working to help her clients to improve and achieve success in their work lives. Prior to coaching, she was a Special Assistant to the President at the White House, a senior level appointee at the U.S. Department of Justice, an equity partner in two large, global law firms, and in-house counsel at a publicly traded company. Laura has also led and managed teams of people across multiple countries, serving as a top advisor to many Fortune 500 and FTSE 100 companies. Partnering with her clients, she enjoys helping them reach their goals and build confidence in their careers.  Learn more about Laura and follow her blog at www.lauraterrell.com.   CONNECT | LAURA TERRELL: ✅ Website: https://www.lauraterrell.com/ ✅ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauralterrell/ ✅ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraterrellcoaching/  ABOUT | SETH BRADLEY: Seth Bradley is a real estate entrepreneur and an expert at creating passive income while working as a highly paid, busy professional. He's closed billions of dollars in real estate transactions as an attorney and investor. He's the Managing Partner of Law Capital Partners, a private equity firm focused on value-add real estate acquisitions and development. He's a former big law attorney, most recently practicing in the real estate and securities department of a top 3 globally-ranked law firm. He's also the host of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, educating attorneys and other professionals on how to stop trading their time for money so that they can practice when they want to, not because they have to.   ️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:  Don't Know Where to Start?: www.sethpaulbradley.com Download The Freedom Blueprint: www.attorneybydesign.com Subscribe and Leave a Rating and Review: ✅ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-passive-income-attorney-podcast/id1543049208 ✅ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5a0Qp9G2x337nZCDWoVgoO?si=MKn01_t8Tfu0JBZCnagrCw   Websites: ✅ Coaching: www.passiveincomepro.io ✅ Legal:  www.syndicationshop.com ✅ Podcast:  www.passiveincomeattorney.com ✅ Investing: www.lawcapitalpartners.com   Follow Us: ✅ LinkedIn:  www.linkedin.com/in/sethpaulbradley ✅ Facebook: www.facebook.com/passiveincomeattorney ✅ Instagram: www.instagram.com/passiveincomeattorney ✅ YouTube:  www.youtube.com/@sethpaulbradley ✅ TikTok:  www.tiktok.com/@passiveincomeattorne