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In this gripping episode of Gangland Wire, host Gary Jenkins sits down with Robert “Bob” Cooley, the Chicago lawyer whose extraordinary journey took him from deep inside the Outfit's criminal operations to becoming one of the federal government's most valuable witnesses against organized crime. Cooley pulls back the curtain on the hidden machinery of Chicago's underworld, describing how corruption, bribery, and violence shaped the Chicago Outfit's power in the 1970s and beyond. As a lawyer, gambler, and trusted insider, Cooley saw firsthand how mob influence tilted the scales of justice—often in open daylight. Inside the “Chicago Method” of Courtroom Corruption Cooley explains the notorious system of judicial bribery he once helped facilitate—what he calls the “Chicago Method.” He walks listeners through: How defense attorneys worked directly with Outfit associates to buy favorable rulings. The process of approaching and bribing judges. Why weak forensic standards of the era made witness discrediting the key mob strategy. His personal involvement in the infamous Harry Aleman murder case, where clear guilt was erased by corruption. Life in the Outfit: Gambling, Debt, and Mob Justice Cooley recounts his early days gambling with Chicago Outfit associates, including Marco D'Amico, Jackie Cerrone, and John DeFranzo. Notable stories include: The violent implications of unpaid gambling debts in mob circles. Tense interactions with bookmaker Hal Smith and the chaotic fallout of a bounced check involving mobster Eddie Corrado. How D'Amico often stepped in—sometimes with intimidation—to shield Cooley from harm. These stories reflect the daily volatility of life inside the Outfit, where money, fear, and loyalty intersect constantly. Bob Cooley has a great book titled When Corruption Was King where he goes into even greater detail and has many more stories from his life inside the Chicago Mob. 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To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. 0:06 Introduction to Bob Cooley 1:32 Life as an Outfit Gambler 2:00 My Relationship with Marco D’Amico 10:40 The Story of Hal Smith 11:05 A Dangerous Encounter 20:21 Meeting Sally D 22:23 A Contract on My Life 22:37 The Harry Alleman Case 34:47 Inside the Courtroom 51:08 The Verdict 52:26 Warning the Judge 53:49 The Case Against the Policewoman 58:36 Navigating the Legal Maze 1:08:14 The Outcome and Its Consequences 1:11:39 The Decision to Flip 1:24:38 A Father’s Influence 1:33:57 The Corruption Revealed 1:50:12 Political Connections 2:02:07 The Setup for Robbery 2:20:29 Consequences of Loyalty transcript [0:00] Hey, guys, my guest today is a former Chicago outfit associate named Robert Bob Cooley. He has a book out there titled When Corruption Was King. I highly recommend you get it if you want to look inside the Chicago outfit of the 1970s. Now, Bob’s going to tell us about his life as an outfit gambler, lawyer, and I use payoff to judges to get many, many not guilty verdicts. Now, I always call this the Chicago method. This happened for, I know, for Harry Ailman, a case we’re going to talk about, Tony Spolatro got one of these not-guilties. Now, the outfit member associate who is blessed to get this fix put in for him may be charged with a crime, even up to murder. And he gets a lawyer, a connected lawyer, and they’ll demand a bench trial. That means that only a judge makes the decision. A lawyer, like my guest, who worked with a political fixer named Pat Marcy. [0:53] They’ll work together and they’ll get a friendly judge assigned to that case and then they’ll bribe the judge. And all that judge needs is some kind of alibi witnesses and any kind of information to discredit any prosecution witnesses. Now, this is back in the olden days before you had all this DNA and all that kind of thing. So physical evidence was not really a part of it. Mainly, it was from witnesses. And they just have to discredit any prosecution witness. Then the judge can say, well, state hadn’t really proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt and issue a not guilty verdict and walk away. Now, our guest, Bob Cooley, is going to take us inside this world. [1:29] And it’s a world of beatings, murders, bribes, and other kinds of plots. He was a member of the Elmwood Park crew. He was a big gambler. He was a big loan shark. And he worked for a guy named Marco D’Amico, who was their gambling boss and loan shark in that crew. Among other bosses in this powerful crew were Jackie Cerrone, who will go on and become the underboss and eventually the boss for a short [1:55] period of time. and John no-nose DeFranzo, who will also go on to become the boss eventually. What was your relationship with Marco D’Amico? I talked about when I first came into the 18th district, when I came into work there, and they put me back in uniform, the first person I met was Rick Borelli. Rick Borelli, he was Marco’s cousin. [2:23] When I started gambling right away with Rick, within a couple of days, I’m being his face, and I’m calling and making bets. There was a restaurant across the street where every Wednesday and sometimes a couple days a week, I would meet with Ricky. And one of the first people he brought in there was Marco. Was Marco. And Marco would usually be with a person or two. And I thought they were just bookmakers. [2:55] And I started being friendly with him, meeting him there. Then I started having card games Up in my apartment And, Because now I’m making, in the very beginning, I’m making first $100 extra a week. And within a couple of weeks, I’m making $500, $600 extra a week. And within about a month, I’m making $1,000, sometimes more than that. So now I’m having card games, relatively big card games, because I’ve got a bankroll. I’ve got probably about $5,000, $6,000, which seemed like a lot of money to me. Initially uh and after a while that was a daily that was a daily deal but uh so we we started having card games up there and then we started socializing we started now he’d be at these nightclubs all the time when when i’d go to make my payoffs he was part of the main group there he was one of the call he was right he was right under jack right under at that time originally Jackie Cerrone, and then he was right under Johnny DeFranco. [4:07] But he was… And we became real good friends. We would double date and we spent a lot of time together. And we had these big card games. And that’s when I realized how powerful these people were. Because after one of the card games, there was somebody that was brought in, a guy named Corrado. I’m pretty sure his name was I can’t think of his first name, but Corrado was this person that somebody brought into the game. And after we finished playing cards, and I won all the time. I mean, I was a real good card player, and I wouldn’t drink. I’d supply liquor and food and everything, but I wouldn’t drink. And as the others drank, they were the same as at my office. After we finish up, this guy says, you want to play some? We can play maybe some gin. just human being. And he was there with another friend of his who just sat there and watched. So we played, not gin, but blackjack. We played and passed cards back and forth when you win. Then you’re the dealer and back and forth. And I lost, I think I lost about $4,000 or $13,000 to him. [5:26] I lost the cash that I had. I had cash about $5,000 or $6,000. And I gave him a check for the rest. You know, but everything I was doing was wrong, you know. Yeah, one of those nights. It’s in there. And it’s funny because you asked about Marco. [5:47] And I thought, you know, oh, well, and whatever. And I gave him a check. I said, no, it’s a good check. And it was. It was for my office. It was an office check that I gave him. And that next morning, I’m meeting with Ricky and with Marco at this restaurant across from the station before I go in and to work. And I said, son of a B. I said, you know, they had a bad night first ever. Marco wasn’t at that game, at that particular game. And what happened? I said, I blew about 12,000. Okay, but you? Wow. And I said, yeah, I said, one of the guys at the game played some, I played some blackjack with somebody. What was his name? Eddie, Eddie Corrado. Eddie Corrado. He said, that mother, he said, stop payment on the check. He said, stop payment on the check. He said, because it wasn’t nine o’clock. It was only like, you know, seven, you know, seven 30 or whatever. He said, and when he gets ahold of you, arrange to have him come to your house. Tell him you’ll have the money for him at your house. So that’s what I, that’s what I do. So I stopped payment on it probably about five after nine. I get a call from, from Mr. Corrado. You mother fucker. [7:17] I said, no, no. I said, there wasn’t enough money in the account. I said, I’m sorry. I said, all right, then I’ll be over. I said, no, no, no. I said, I’m in court right now. I said, I’m in court. I said, I’m going to be tied up all day. I’ll meet you at my place. I’ll meet you back there. Well, I’ll be there. You better have that. I want cash and you better have it. Okay. Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m at home. Marco comes in. And he was there with Tony and Tony was there and Ricky was there. And Ricky was there. And they come over a little ahead of time and he comes in. I live on the 27th floor. The doorbell rings. Up he comes with some big mustache. [8:00] I open the door. You better have the fucking money and whatever. And I try to look nervous. I try to look real nervous. and when you walk into my apartment you walk in and you see the kitchen right in front of you and to the left to the left you’ve got an area away and you’ve got the the kitchen wall blocking what’s behind it over there and these three guys are standing marco and you are standing right there alongside of it and and when he walks in behind me, He sees Marco and all but shit in his pants. When he sees Marco, he goes, and Marco, you motherfucker. And, you know, oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I didn’t know he was with you. He says, how much money you got me right now? And, you know, he says, pull your pockets out. He had about, he had about three or 4,000 with him. [9:02] And he says, you give him that. He says, you, he says, you, and he says, you give him that right now. And you apologize to him. Oh, and he says, he says, and I may give you a number. I want you to call. He says, we can put you to work. Apparently this guy had done the same thing to them a few years before and got the beating of his life somebody brought him into one of their card games, did he have a technique a cheating technique or had some marked cards no it was a card mechanic he could play games with cards they call him a mechanic and, in fact the guy was great at it because he had his own plane and everything else. But again, he had moved from Chicago and had just come back in the area. And they mounted. And so anyhow, he leaves. And he leaves then, and Marco took the money. Marco took the money. Marco took the money. Typical Bob guy, man. [10:19] And I says, what about the cash I lost to him? He says, well, you lost that. He says, you lost that. That’s when I realized how powerful. That’s when I realized how powerful that [10:35] he was part of the mob, not only a part of it, but one of the operational. Yeah, important part of it. That brings to mind another unbelievable situation that occurred. [10:49] The, uh, this is probably the, we’ll know the year by when it happened. There was a bookmaker named Hal Smith. Oh yeah. I remember that name. He got, tell us about Hal Smith. [11:05] Well, Hal Smith was a, he was a big guy too. A real, a real big guy. I met him on Rush street. He knew I was a gambler. He knew that I was a big gambler and I started gambling with him. Thank you. And I was with him probably for about maybe five or six months. And I’d win with him. I’d lose with him. And he would take big places. He would take $5,000 a game for me. And as they say, so the numbers were big. At the end of the week, we were sometimes $60,000, $70,000. [11:42] They were big numbers back and forth. And he was always good for the money. I was always good for the money. And one particular week, it was about $30,000. And I was waiting for money. Somebody else was supposed to give me even more than that. And the person put me off. And it was a good friend of mine. And I knew the money would be there. But a lot of times, these guys are going to collect it at a certain time. And then they’re expecting to give it to somebody else. Well, he was short. So I said, look, I don’t have it right now, but I’ll have it tomorrow, I said, because I’m meeting somebody. Well, okay, it better be there. [12:31] And look, it’ll be there, okay? Not a problem. So the next day, the person I’m supposed to get it from says, I’ll have it in a couple of hours. I don’t have it right now, but I’ll have it by late this afternoon. And I’m in my office when Hale Smith calls me and I said, I’ll have it a little bit later. And he slams the phone bell. I’m downstairs in Counselor’s Row. In fact, I’m meeting with Butchie and Harry. We’re in a booth talking about something. They had just sent me some business or whatever, but I’m talking about something. And George, the owner of the restaurant, comes over and he says, somebody is asking who you are and they want to talk to you. And they point out this guy. It was a guy I had seen before, because a lot of times at two in the morning, I would go down on West Street, and they had entertainment upstairs. And there was this big English guy. He was an English guy, as you could tell by his accent, a real loud guy. And when I walk up to talk to him, and he’s talking loud enough so people can hear him, and he says, you better have that. I’m here for it. You better have that. You better have that money. [13:51] Bob Hellsmith sent me, you get the money and you better have that money or there’s going to be a problem or whatever. And I said, well, the money will be there, but people can hear what this guy, this guy talking that shit. And he leaves. And he leaves. He’s going to call me back. And he leaves. I said, I’m busy right now. I says, give me a call back when I’m in the office and I’ll meet with you. So Butch, he goes, what was that all about? And I said, you know, it’s somebody I owe some money to. Well, who is he? Who is he with? I said, Harold Smith. And he said, who’s Harold Smith? You don’t pay him anything. He said, you don’t pay him anything. And he calls, when he calls back, he says, you will arrange to meet him. And I said, you know, I said, well, where? [14:44] And they knew where I lived. They’d been to my place at that time. I’m living in Newberry Plaza and they said, there’s a, there’s a Walgreens drugstore in Chicago Avenue. Tell him you’ll meet him there at Walgreens, and we’ll take it. And he says, and we’ll take it from there. When he does call me, I said, look, I said, I’ll meet you tomorrow morning for sure at Walgreens. I’ll have the cash. I said, I’ll have the cash, and I’ll have all of it. I said, but, you know, I’m tied up on some things. I said, I’ll go to my own bank when I’m finished here and whatever, and I’ll see you tomorrow morning for sure at 9 o’clock tomorrow morning. Okay. I sit down with them and they just said, I said, they said, go there and go meet them. And we’ll take care of it. The Walgreens is a store right in the corner of Michigan Avenue and Chicago Avenue, south side of the street. And it’s all windows. Huge windows here. Huge windows here. And a bus stop, a bus stop over here. When I get there, I park in the bus stop and I’m looking to my right and here he is sitting in a booth by himself, right by the window. And I look around and I don’t see anybody. I mean, with a lot of people, I don’t see Butchie. [16:06] Uh or red or anybody around but i i go in there anyhow and uh sit down and i uh sit down in the booth across from him and he’s eating breakfast he’s got some food in front of him and uh the girl comes by right away the girl comes by and i says you know just get me a coke and and he says have you got the money and i said yes and why i got i got a lot i got a lot of money in my pocket but not the, whatever it was he wanted, not the 27 or 28,000. There’s nobody there. And, uh, so we’re talking for no more than about two or three minutes. They had a telephone on the counter. I hear the phone ring and the waitress, the waitress is on the phone. And then she comes walking over and she says, it’s a call for you. And, and when I go get in the phone, I woke up and there’s a phone booth there. And here’s Butchie in the phone booth. And he’s there with a couple of other people. I hang the phone up. I walk over and I had my appointment booked. And I walk over and I just pick up the book. And as I’m walking out there, walking in, we pass each other. And so now when I get in my car and he’s looking at me in my car and right next to him is Butchie. And across from him was a red old male and Fat Herbie. [17:34] Herbie Blitzstein? Herbie Blitzstein? No, it wasn’t Herbie. This is another one. That’s one thing of Herbie. We called Herbie Fat. It was Fat Herbie. And the third guy is like sitting facing him. This is like, that weighs about 300 pounds. Oh, Sarno. Make Mike Sarno. Mike Sarno. That was it. And that’s, that’s, that’s who it was. You know, and I, I drive off, go to my office and go about my business. I get a call later that day from, uh, Hale Smith. Where’s my money? Where’s my money? I said, I gave it to your guy. You what? I gave it to him. I met him at nine o’clock this morning and I gave him the money. You did. And I said, yeah. Um, okay. And he hangs, and he hangs up. I don’t hear anything for a while. I never saw him again. I saw Hale a couple of times because he was always in one of the other restaurants. I lived in Newberry right across from there, but he never talked to me. I never talked to him, never said anything. It was about maybe it had to be a good couple of months later, When I read about Hale, Hale’s no longer with us. [18:52] That’s obviously how they found out about him. I never saw the other guy again. I’m hoping they didn’t kill him, but I’m assuming that’s what probably happened to him. In a public place like that, they probably just scared him off. He probably said, you know, I’m way over my head. I’m out of here. [19:15] They didn’t kill him in the public place he wouldn’t have been in the newspapers my little thought is like with the three guys they took him for a ride, I don’t know they just told him to leave town and he realized what it was and he did Hal didn’t get a chance to leave town Hal had other problems if I remember right I’d have to look it back up but he had other problems with the outfit what I found out later what they had done, was they had gotten one of their guys connected with him to find out who his customers were. In other words, one of the other people that he didn’t realize, that Hale didn’t realize was with them, they got him connected with them where he’s the one who’s doing his collecting and finding out who the customers were because they wanted to get all his customers as well as his money. It turns out he was He was a huge bookmaker for years. That’s what happened to him. And they just took his book. Yeah, I remember something about that story because I killed him in his house, I believe. Yeah, Sally D. [20:22] Sally D, yeah. Sally D was one. When I first met Sally D, he was with Marco’s Fruit, too. [20:30] He owned a pizza place up on the north side, north shore, and I broke him. I was betting with him and beating him week after week. And one of the last times I played with him, he couldn’t come up with the money. It took him an extra couple of weeks to get the cash to pay me. But we were real close friends with him. He’s a bizarre character because he was a totally low level at that time. Yeah. When he then connected up with the Cicero crew, with Rocky and Felice, with Rocky and those people, he became a boss with them. It turns out it was after they killed Al Smith. He was part of all that. That’s Salih De Laurentiis. He’s supposed to be a boss. He moved on up after the Family Secrets trial. He didn’t go down with that, I believe, and he kind of moved on up after that. I don’t know what happened to him. What was so funny about that, when he would come into the club, Marco’s club, Bobby Abinati. [21:42] Who was strictly a very low-level player, although we indicted him with the Gambia star. He’s the one who set up the robbery. Would that have been great if that would have gone through? He’s the one who set up that robbery in Wisconsin. He’d be making fun of Salihide all the time. [22:03] When Salihide would come in, he would make fun of him and joke about him and talk about what a loser he was. This is when he’s a boss of that crew. I mean, just a strange, I mean, nobody talked to bosses like that, especially when, when you’re, when you’re what they call Bobby, you know, what was Marco’s nickname for Bobby Knucklehead? [22:23] That was his nickname, Knucklehead. Pat Marcy, uh, contacted me about, you know, handling me in the only own case. [22:32] I couldn’t have been happier because that was a short time after they put a contract on me. So now i realized if they’re going to be making money you know they finally stopped because for good six seven months when i when i came back to chicago uh i was checking under my car every day in case there was a bomb i moved i moved from uh from a place that i own in the suburbs into an apartment complex so i wouldn’t be living on the first floor yeah it’d be impossible to somebody to break into my, you know, took them thrashing into my place. I changed my whole life around in that sense. [23:10] And when I drove everywhere I went, you know, I would go on the highway and then jump over. I would do all, I wanted to make absolutes. Even though nobody came around, I wasn’t taking any chances for a long period of time. And that was too when it cost me a fortune because that’s when I stopped dealing with the bookmakers because I wasn’t going to be in a position where I had to go meet somebody at any time to collect my money and whatever. [23:39] So what had happened, though, was somebody came to see me. And when I was practicing, there’s a lot of things I wouldn’t do. I set my own rules. I would not get involved. After the Harry Alleman case, I never got involved anymore myself fixing certain cases. But even prior to that, I wouldn’t fix certain cases. I wouldn’t get involved in certain cases, especially involving the police, because my father was such a terrific policeman, and I felt I was too in a lot of sentences. I loved the police. I disliked some of the crooked cops that I knew, but on the surface, I’d be friendly with them, etc. Harry Ailman was a prolific hitman for the Elmwood Park crew. He killed a teamster who wouldn’t help set up trucks for the outfit, a guy named Billy Logan. He was just a regular guy. He’s going to take us right into the meeting with the judge. He’ll take us into a counselor’s row restaurant where these cases were fixed. Now, Bob will give us a seat right at Pat Marcy’s table. Now, Pat Marcy was the first ward fixture, and he’s going to take us into the hallway with Pat Marcy where they made the payoffs. [24:57] Now, Bob, can you take us inside the famous Harry Aileman murder case? I know you fixed it. And tell us, you know, and I know there was a human toll that this took on that corrupt judge, Frank Wilson. Okay. The Harry Aileman case was, it was not long after I became partners with Johnny DeArco. I get a call from, I’m in Counselor’s Row at the restaurant. Whenever I was in there now, my spot was the first ward table. Nobody was allowed to sit there day or night. That was reserved for first ward connected people and only the top group of people. [25:40] I’m sitting there at the table and Johnny DeArco Sr. Tells me, you know, Pat wants to talk to you. About something. And I said, you know, sure. Not long afterwards, Pat comes downstairs. We go out. We go out in the hall because we never talk at the table. And he tells me, have you got somebody that can handle the Harry Alleman case? I had seen in the news, he was front page news. He was one of the main mob hitmen. He was partners with Butchie Petrucelli. But it was common knowledge that he was a hitman. He looked like one. He dressed like one. He acted like one. And whatever. And he was one. In fact, he was the one that used to go to New York. And I know he also went to Arizona to do some hits and whatever. He traveled around the country. I said to Pat, they thought the case was a mob hit on a team street. a teamster. I assumed that it was just that. It was people doing what they do. But I said to Pat, I said, well, get me the file. Get me the file. Let me see what the case looks like. Because I would never put a judge in a bad spot. That was my nature. [27:06] When I had cases, a lot of these judges were personal friends of mine. What I would do, if I wanted to have a case, if I wanted to fix a case to save all the time of having to go to a damn long trial, I would make sure that it was a case that was winnable, easily winnable. When I got the file, when I got the file from Pat, he got me the file the next day. The next morning, when he came in, he gave me the file. I looked at the file. It was a throw-out case. When I say throw-out case, absolutely a nothing case. [27:46] The records in the file showed that a car drove up down the street. Suddenly somebody with a shotgun blasted a guy named Billy Logan in front of his house and drove away. They were contacted by a neighbor, this guy, Bobby Lowe. Was it Bobby Lowe? Yeah, I’m pretty sure Bobby Lowe. Who indicated that he opened the door and let his dog run out. And when he looked, he saw somebody. He saw a car, and he gave a description of the car. And he saw somebody pull up, and he saw him shoot with a shotgun. And then he saw the person get out of the car and shoot him with a .45, and shoot him with a .45. And then the car sped away. That was pretty much the case. Some other people heard some noise, looked out, and saw a car driving away. A period of time after that, it had to be about a year or so after that, somebody was arrested driving to Pennsylvania to kill somebody. There was a guy who stopped. [29:16] Louie Almeida was his name. Louie Almeida was stopped in his car. He was on the way to Pennsylvania. And in front of his car, he had shotguns. And he winds up, when he gets arrested, he winds up telling the authorities that he can tell them about a mob murder back in Chicago and winds up cooperating with them. He indicates what happened. He indicated that, you know, he was asked to, you know, or he got involved in it. He got the car and whatever. They did this. They did that. And he pulled up alongside Billy and wound up shooting the victim as he came out of the house. [30:09] Now, I look at some other reports in there, some reports that were made out, new reports. They talk about the Louis Almeida. They talk about the witness that gave the first statement. and they said that they found, or he’s giving us a new statement now where he says he’s walking his dog. He hears a shotgun. His dog runs towards the car where the shooting was coming from. He saw Harry get out of the car and walk over and shoot him, walk over and shoot the victim, and he was looking at him, And then he jumped in the bushes and the car drove away. A complete new story. Yeah. A complete new story. And. I looked at the reports, and this is an easy winner. And so I told Pat, you know, I’ll take it. You know, I’m sure I can handle it. I said, I’m sure I can handle it, but, you know, I’ll let you know. [31:21] That’s when I contacted, I met my restaurant, Greco’s, and I had Frank Wilson there a lot. Well, I called Frank Wilson, invited him and his wife to come to the restaurant. I had done that many times before. When he gets there, I tell him, I have the case. You know, I told him I was contacted on this case, I said. And I said, it’s an easy winner, I said. And I explained to him what it was. I told him, you know, it’s the driver of the car who’s doing this to help himself. And this other guy, Bobby Lowe, that gave a complete new story from the original story that he gave. And I indicated, you know, can you handle the case? And he tells me, I can’t handle the case, he said, because I was SOJ’d. In Chicago, Illinois, they have a rule that makes it easy for people to fool around because for no reason at all you can ask to have a judge moved off the case. And you can name a second judge that you don’t want to handle the case. [32:34] Frank Wilson’s reputation was as such that the lawyer that turned out to be a judge later on, Tom Maloney, who had the case, named him in the SOJ. It was assigned to somebody else, and he indicated he wanted any other judge except Frank Wilson. Frank Wilson on the case. And this was Harry Aileman’s lawyer. Yeah. Okay. And who Tom Maloney, who then ends up being the judge years later. But yeah. Well, because we knew he was going to be a judge. Yeah. We knew ahead of time. I knew at that time. That’s what makes the story so unbelievably interesting. Yeah. Anyhow, he says, I can’t do it because… In Chicago, in Chicago, it’s supposed to keep it honest. I love this. To keep it honest. Yeah. To keep it honest, each judge is supposed to be picked by computer. [33:33] Same thing they’re doing to this day. Trump wondered why the same judge kept getting all his cases. Because they’re doing the same thing we did, some of us could do in Chicago. He was the chief judge in the area. he said to me, I don’t think I can get the case. I don’t think I can’t get the case. I said, I’ll get the case to you. I said, I’ll get, because I already, I, in fact, through Pat Marcy, anytime I wanted a case to go anywhere, I would contact Pat and I’d give him a thousand dollars and he would get me any judge I wanted. Uh, I said, well, I think I can. I said, I said, And I gave him $1,000. [34:16] I said, here, this is yours. And if I can’t get the case to you, you keep it. If I can’t get, I never said to him, will you fix it? Will you this or that? I mean, he understood what it was. I didn’t know how he would react to it. When I asked him, would you handle it? Were the words I used. I had never fixed anything with him before. [34:43] In case he was, you know, he would want to report it to somebody. I wasn’t worried because Frank had a reputation as being a big drinker. After I got the Harry Elliman file, Pat tells me, I’m going to have somebody come and talk to you. Who comes? And we meet in the first ward office, and then we go downstairs into the special room they had for conversations. It’s Mike Ficarro. He’s the head of the organized crime section. He’s the one who prosecutes all the criminals. He’s one of the many prosecutors in Chicago. That’s why there were over 1,000 mob murders and never a conviction from the time of Al Capone. Not a single conviction with over 1,000 mob murders because they controlled absolutely everything. He’s the boss. [35:35] I knew him. I didn’t like him. He had an attitude about him. You know, when I would see him at parties and when I’d see him at other places, and I’d walk by and say, hi, he just seemed coldish. [35:47] I found out later why. He was jealous of the relationship I had with all these people. [35:54] He says, I’ll help you any way I can, anything you need, whatever. So the prosecutors on the Harry Olliman case were our people. That’s who’s prosecuting the case anyhow. But they couldn’t get one of their judges apparently who would handle the case. So, but anyhow, uh, so, uh, when we, um, when we go, when we, when we go to trial, um. [36:25] Before to help me out, I told Pat, I’ll get somebody else to handle the case. I’ll have somebody else. I said, I won’t go in there. I won’t go in there because everybody knows I’m close to Frank, very close to Frank. I said, so I won’t go in there. I’ll get somebody. He says, no, no. He said, I’ll get somebody. And so he gets a guy named Frank Whalen, who I didn’t know at the time. He was a retired lawyer from Chicago. He was one of the mob lawyers. [37:00] He was one of the mob lawyers. And he lived in Florida. He lived in Miami. I think it was, no, Lauderdale. He lived in the Lauderdale area. He was practicing there. So I fly out. I fly out to meet him. I i do all the investigating in the case the i’m using an investigator that harry alleman got from me in fact he was the same investigator that got in trouble in in uh in in hollywood for what for a lot of stuff i can’t think of his name right now but he’s the one who got indicted in hollywood eventually for you know wiretapping people and whatever it was the same one. And he got me information on Bobby on this Bobby Lowe. He found out Bobby Lowe, Bobby Lowe was a drug addict. [37:59] When the FBI got a hold of him, Bobby Lowe was living out in the street because he had been fired from his first job. He had a job in some kind of an ice cream company where they made ice cream, and he got fired there for stealing. And then he had a job after that in a gas station, and he faked a robbery there. Apparently, what he did was he called the police and said he had been robbed. This is before they had cameras and all the rest of that stuff. He said he had been robbed. And somebody happened to have been in the gas station getting gas. It was a big place, apparently. [38:45] And when the police talked to him, he said, I didn’t see anything strange. He said, I saw the attendant walk out to the back about 10, 15 minutes ago. I saw him walk out to the back of the place and then come back in. And so they go out, and he had his car parked behind it, and they found the money that was supposed to have been stolen in the car. So not the best witness, in other words. Well, that’s an understatement, because that was why… That was why now he suddenly shows up, and they know all this. The FBI agents that obviously know all this, that’s their witness. That’s their case. To me, it’s an airtight, you know. Yeah. Anyhow, I developed the defense. I went back to see Frank a second time. I flew out to Florida a second time, gave him all this information. [39:48] I had talked to some other people to a number of people that were going to indicate that Harry played golf with them that day see how they remembered not golf but he was at a driving range with them with about five people they remember what they were three or four years three or four years before that what I also found out now, and I didn’t know and it changed my whole attitude on that this wasn’t a mob killing you, This guy that he killed was married to his, I think it was his cousin or some relation was married. I’m pretty sure it was to his cousin. She had told Harry, I got this from Butchie, Butchie Petrosselli, who had become a close friend of mine after I got involved with Harry’s case, his partner. And that was why he killed them, because apparently the sister, his sister-in-law, whatever she was, had told him, you know, when he was beating her up, she had said, well, my Harry Alameda won’t be happy about this. And he said, supposedly, he said, fuck that, Kenny. [41:02] And that’s why the shooting took place. Wow. This changed me. You know, I’m in the middle of it. There’s no getting out of it now. Yeah, they’ll turn it back. And by now, I’m running around all the time with Butch and Mary at night. I’m meeting them at dinner. They’re coming to one of my places where I have dinners all the time. You know, I’m becoming like close friends, close friends with both of them. Yeah. So anyhow, but anyhow, the lawyer that he got, Frank Whalen, who was supposed to be sharp, turned out like he was not in his, let’s just say he was not in his prime. [41:46] Charitable. And when he went in, you know, while the trial was going on, you know, while the trial was going on, I get a call from Frank. From Frank Wilson, because I told him, you don’t come back into the restaurant now. You don’t come back into the restaurant. I used his office as my office all the time, along with a bunch of other judges. I had a phone, but it cost about a dollar a minute to talk on my phone. I had to talk on my phone. So when I’d be at 26th Street in the courthouse, even though no lawyers are allowed back there in the chamber, so I’m back there sitting at his desk using the phone taking care of my own other business. I stopped going in there while the trial was going on. [42:35] So, anyhow, he calls me, and he wants to meet me at a restaurant over on Western Avenue. And, okay, he called me from one of the pay phones out there in front of the courthouse, and I go to meet him. What did he want? Was he complaining about the lawyer, Waylon? What was he complaining about, Waylon? and I was screwing it up. [42:59] When I meet him, I said, you know, he’s like, you know, he said, you know, we go into the bathroom and he and he said he’s all shooken up. He says, this is going to cost me my job. He said, he said, you know, they’re burying him. You’re burying him. You know, because I had given this information on the two witnesses. And he says, Frank Whalen, he said, isn’t doing a thing and cross-examining these people and whatever. [43:32] And he says, and he’s all upset. And I said, Frank, no, I’m shook up one of the few times in my life where it’s something I can’t handle. He had never told me, you know, I’ll fix the case, never. And I said to him, and I said, Frank, I said, if something goes wrong, I said, I’m sure they’re going to kill me, is what I said to him. Yeah. I said, if something goes wrong, I’m sure they’re going to kill me. And I left. I left the bathroom. Now, I have no idea what’s going on in his mind and whatever. Yeah. I see Pat the next day. And by something goes wrong in this case, you mean if he gets found guilty, that’d be what would go wrong and you would get killed. Is that that’s what you mean? Well, no question, because when I met, I didn’t go into that. I met with Harry Alleman. I get a call after I got involved in the case. A couple days later, I get a call from Markle. Meet me at one of the nightclubs where I was all the time at night with these people. [44:47] Above it, you’ve got a motel, a bunch of hotel rooms. I get a call from Markle. The reason everybody loved me and the mob, I never discussed what I was doing with anybody or any of the other dozens of mobsters I run with that I was involved in Harry’s case. Never said a word to anybody about any of this. That was my nature, and that’s why all these people love me. I never talked about one thing with anybody else or whatever. He says, I want to meet you. When I get over there, he says, let’s go upstairs. Somebody wants to talk to you. And we go upstairs, and there’s Harry Alleman. And Harry, how you doing? How are you? [45:27] And he says, listen, you’re sure about this? And I said, yeah. I said, I’m sure. And he said, well, if something goes wrong, you’re going to have a problem. Those were his words to me. You’re going to have a problem. And I said, you know, he says, because this judge, he says, this judge is a straight judge. And he said, Tom, you mean Tom Maloney. He says, and Tom wants to handle my case. And he tells me he’s going to be named a judge by the Supreme Court real soon. And he wants to handle and he wants to handle my case before he… Uh, you know, before he becomes a Supreme court, before he becomes a judge, I knew the moment he told me that I knew for sure that was the case because we control everything, including the Supreme court. I said, you know, I said, don’t, you know, don’t worry about it. I lied to him. And I said, uh, I said, yeah, the judge is going to, I said, yeah, he’s going to throw it out. He knows, I said, he knows what’ll happen if he doesn’t. That’s what I told Harry. I want to keep him happy. [46:34] I’m going to keep him happy probably for a few hours I’m a little nervous and then that’s all behind me like so many other problems I got in the middle of oh my god talking about walking a tightrope so now the lawyer came into Chicago he was in Chicago I met him when he came in he was staying at the Bismarck was at the Bismarck Hotel right around the corner from you know where Counselor’s Row was that’s where he was staying in the in the hotel right there by the first board office and there was a way to go in there without being seen and there was a, You go through another restaurant and you go through the alley and go up there. And I wouldn’t, I didn’t want to be seen walking into there because I know the FBI are probably, are probably watching and whatever. When he comes into town, they handle the case. So I go upstairs to see him. You know, I said, what the hell’s going on in court? He says, I’m going, it’s going great. It’s going great. I said, it’s going great. I just, you know, I just got a call last night. I had to go meet the judge. And he said, you’re not doing any cross-examining. Oh, I’m doing a great job. You know, I’m doing a great job. So after a few minutes of, I leave. Yeah. [47:52] That’s when I saw Pat Marcy, too. And I said, Pat, I said, the judge is upset about whatever’s going on. I said, maybe we should give him some more because I agreed to give him $10,000. And he said, you know, what a piece of work he is. You know, he said $10,000, and that’s all he’s going to get, not a nickel more or whatever. So now to say I’m nervous again is an ultra statement. The case, I walked over, and I wouldn’t go in the room, but I wanted to just be around that room for some reason. FBI agents all over the place. [48:30] FBI agents all over the place. And so now I’m at home and I’m packed. I’ve got my bags packed because if he finds it, I don’t know what he’s going to do. I’m worried he might find him guilty because of all that had happened. He, when the trial ended a given night, and the next day he was going to give the result. In fact, I didn’t go out and play that night. I was a little nervous, and I stayed home, and I packed up my bags. I packed up my bags, and about 9 o’clock, I got in the car, and I started driving. And by the time he gave the ruling, I was probably about 100, maybe 150 miles away. And I hear on the radio, you know, found him not guilty, found him not guilty. So I turn around. Hit the next exit, turn around and come back. I turn around. Northbound on I-55. [49:27] Probably a couple hours later, here I am parked in my parking spot. My parking spot was in front of my office, right across from City Hall. And I parked in the mayor’s spot when she wasn’t there. And drove probably to drive her crazy. But that was where I parked. That was my parking spot. We’d see my big car with the RJC license plates parked in the bus stop. And so here I am. I parked the car and I go in. I go in. [50:01] And I’m sure Pat told some people, probably not, but I’m sure they told all the mobsters, all the top mobsters, because these guys all wanted to meet me afterwards and get the restaurant. I go in to see them. We walked into the janitor’s closet. You walk out of Counselor’s Row. You go to the left. It goes into the 100 North Building. Now, you’ve got the elevators to the right. And behind that, you’ve got a closet where the janitors keep all their stuff. And you’ve got some stairs leading up to the, there was a, what do you call it? There was an office there where the commodities, big commodity exchange was right there. that there was a stairway leading up to where the offices were with some doors with bars and everything on it. And Pat is standing on those stairs, about two or three stairs. You know, I said, wow. I said, you know, everybody’s going nuts. And he goes, well, you know, you did a good job. And he gives me an envelope. He gives me an envelope. And, you know, I put the money in my pocket. [51:09] We said we had some more. We said a couple other words about, you know, this and that. And then I just go in there. I go back in the counselor’s. [51:21] Now, after the feds started getting indictments, did you try and warn the Aleman case judge, Frank Wilson? Why did you do that? And when I went to see Frank Wilson, I went to help him. I said, Frank, I said, look, I said, I was contacted by, I said, I was contacted by the, by the, by the FBI. They were investigating the Harry Aleman case. I said to him, I said, they, they feel the case was fixed. I said, when they come to see me, I said, you know, I said, I’m not going to talk to them. I said, I’m not going to talk to them. I’m going to take the fifth. And in your case, you can do the same thing. When they, if they come to talk to you, you just take the fifth amendment. If they give you immunity, I said, you know, then you, then you testify, but you tell them the truth. I said, don’t worry about me. Tell them the truth. This is how I talk to him. When I’m talking to him like that, it’s almost like he’s trying to run away from me. [52:27] We’re at a restaurant in a big complex. It was in one of those resorts in Arizona. He’s all but running away from me. I was trying to help him. What I said to him was, Frank, I said, the statute of limitations ran on all this. It’s been more than five years. There’s nothing they can do to you or to me, I said, because the statute ran. I said, so don’t lie to them. What the feds were concerned about, and I don’t know why, that he would deny ever fixing the case when it went through. I don’t know why they’re worried about that, but they were, and I didn’t want to see him get in trouble. [53:13] That’s why I went there to protect him. Hey, Bob, you were asked to represent an outfit associate or an outfit associate’s son who was accused of breaking the jaw of a Chicago policewoman. And you know, when a cop is injured in a fight with somebody, the cops follow that case. And I do not want to see any shenanigans going on. So, so tell us about how you walked that line. And I bet those cops were, were not happy with you in the end. Some people think this is a reason you flipped. Take us inside that case, will you? [53:45] And the reason I mentioned that it had a lot to do with what I eventually did. Now we’ll get back to what made me do what I was going to do. When I was practicing law now, and now I have been away from all this for years, I was out of town a lot because I’m representing the Chinese all around the country. I’m their main lawyer right now. [54:10] And I get a call from Lenny Colella. And he says, my son, he said, my son is in trouble. I want to come in and I want to talk to you about handling his case. This was a heater case, too. This was a front page case because he was charged with aggravated battery and attempted murder. Supposedly, he had beat up a policewoman and it was all over the place. He was a drug addict and whatever, supposedly he did all this. And when he came into the office with his dad, he was high. When I talked to him, he’s got his kid with him. And the kid is a smart aleck. As we’re talking, the kid, and I asked the kid, well, whatever. The kid was a smart aleck. And I just said to him, I said, Len, I can’t help you. I said, get him out of here. I want nothing to do with him. I said, I can’t help you. You didn’t take cases that were involved with cops anyhow, for the most part. No. I didn’t know what had happened in this case. I know what I saw in the paper. I didn’t know what the facts or anything were or whatever. I mean, if it turned out that if I felt when I talked to him that he had done it, whatever, I would not have taken the case anyhow. [55:26] I mean, I would not have. That’s why I say, too, that may be, too, why I was as quick and as rude as I was when he came in there and was acting and was a little bit high. I just wanted nothing to do with him, period. I said to his dad, his father said, you know, if I get him cleaned up, you know, I said, well, if you get him cleaned up, then we’ll talk again. I said, but I can’t help him, and I can’t help him. [55:54] And off he goes. the father re-contacted me about a week later. And he said, I had him in rehab and he straightened out and whatever. And he brought him back in and it was a new person. And when he told me the facts of the case, when he told me what happened, because he was a big, tough kid. He was a big, you know, he was a weightlifter, but he was a big, tough looking kid. [56:19] And it’s a little police woman. When he told me what happened, I believed him. Because I’ve been out in the street and whatever. And he says, you know, he told me what happened, that he had gotten stopped. He was out there talking to her. And when she said, you’re under arrest for DUI, he just walked. He says, I walked. I was going to get in my car and drive away. And she grabbed me and was pulling me or whatever. And I hear all these sirens coming. And within a few minutes, there’s all kinds of police. There’s about half a dozen police there. He says, and then they started jumping on me. He said, she was under me. He was all beaten up. He was all bloody and whatever. And she apparently had her jaw broken. And there’s no doubt in my mind when he’s telling me that, you know, when they were hit with his clubs or with this thing that they claimed he had without his fingerprints, it was a metal bar. Right, a slapper. A chunk of lead covered by leather. Everybody used to carry a slapper. How about you carry a slapper? They claimed, but there was no cloth on this. It was just the metal itself. Yeah, oh really? [57:45] Anyhow, that makes it interesting during the trial when they flat out lied. No, he had no blood. I got the hospital reports. They wouldn’t take him in the station because he was too badly beaten up. But anyhow, he also had two other charges. He had been involved in a fight in a bar. And he had been involved in another situation with the police. And he was charged with resisting arrest and battery on a policeman out in Cicero. So he had these three cases. So I gave the father a fee on handling, you know, the one, I was going to, I gave him a fee one case at a time. I said, you know, first thing we’ll do, I want to get rid of those other two cases. I’ll take them to juries, I said. [58:36] I’ll take them to juries because I wasn’t going to put them. I knew both the judges on those cases, but I wasn’t going to put them in a position on a case like that. I take the first case to trial. And I get him a not guilty. That was the fight in the bar. [58:54] That was out in one of the suburbs. That was out in, I’m not sure which suburb, in the northwest side. After we get that case over with, before that case, I get a call from Pat Marcy. Pat Marcy, I hadn’t seen him probably even for a couple months, but I hadn’t talked to him for quite a long period of time. And he says to me, you got a case that just came in. He said, we’re going to handle it. And I said, there’s no need, Pat. I said, I can win these cases. I said, there’s no need. I can win these cases. And he said, we’re going to handle this. The case is going to go to Judge Passarella, he said, and we’ll take care of it. I said, Pat, there’s no need to. I said, I can win these cases. I said, they’re all jury trials, but I know I can win them all. And he says, you do as you’re told. Pat had never talked to me like that before. [59:54] Powerful as he was and crazy as I am, And he never, you know, you never demand that I do anything or whatever. We had a different type relationship. And although I hadn’t broken away from them by now, it’s been years. I had broken away from them for about, you know, two, three years. And he says, you know, take the case to trial. I said, well, he’s got some other cases, too, and I’m going to take the one. And she says, I’ll take it to a jury, and I’ll win it. You’ll see how I win it. I take her to trial, and I get her not guilty. The second case was set for trial about a month after that. Not even, yeah, about a month or so after that. And during that time, a couple of times I’m in counselors, and Pat says, when are you going to take the case to trial? I said, well, Pat, you know, I won the one case. I got the other case on trial, and it was before Judge Stillo. He was a judge that we eventually indicted. [1:00:51] Stillo was very, very well connected to the first ward. He’s one of the old-time judges out in Maywood. And I told him, you know, when I came in there, he assumed I’d take it to trial and he’d throw it out. And I said, no, no, no, there’s no need to. I says, I’m going to take the jury on this one. Number one, I had stopped fixing things long before this. And, but he was, to make money, he was willing that he would have thrown the case out. It was a battery with a Cicero policeman. And I says, no, no, I’ll take it. I’ll take it to, you know, I’ll take the jury. I said, I don’t want to put you in that pursuit. Oh, don’t worry about me. I take that one to trial and I win that one too. Now Pat calls me, when the hell are you going to take the case to trial? And that’s the original case with the police woman. That’s the main one. The main one. Okay, go ahead. [1:01:44] When are you going to take it to trial? And I don’t want to take it to trial. In fact. I had talked to the prosecutor, and I said, look, I said, because he was charged with, he was charged with, you know, attempted murder and arrest. I said, if you’ll reduce it, the prosecutor was an idiot. He knew me, should have realized that, you know, that I never lose cases. Yeah. You know, but I want to work out something. He was a special prosecutor on it. He said, we’re not going to reduce it. We said, you know, if you want to work out a plea, we went five years, we went five to ten or whatever in the penitentiary. And I said, well, that’s not going to happen. I said, well, then we’ll just have to go to trial. So now, while I’m at Counselor’s Row, on one of my many occasions, because I was still having some card games over there at somebody else’s other lawyer’s office, because I had had big card games going on there for years. I’m sitting at the counselor’s row table, and Judge Passarella comes in. There’s just him and me there, and when he comes in, I say, Oh, you’re here to see Pat? [1:02:56] And he goes, Pat, who? No more conversation. Who the fuck? No more. The guy’s treating me like I’m some kind of a fool or whatever. And I developed an instant disliking to him. I had never seen him around that much or whatever before that. So now, after the second case, you’re going to go to, you know. So I talked to Lenny. When Lenny came in, Lenny came in with him when we were starting to get prepared for the case. And, oh, this is before this is before I talked to the prosecutor. And I said, Lenny, I said, I says, if I can get it reduced to a misdemeanor, to a misdemeanor. I said, you know, can we work with, you know, and work out a plea, let’s say, for maybe a month or two, you know, a month or two. Is that OK with you? Oh, sure. He says, oh, sure. [1:03:57] Now, this Lenny, this was the kid’s dad, your client’s dad. This is his dad. Now, explain who he was, who Lenny was. His dad was. What’s his last name? Yeah, Karela. Karela, okay. Lenny Karela, I’m pretty sure was his name. He owned a big bakery out there in Elmwood Park area. Okay. And he was friendly with all the mobsters. Okay, all right. I got you. For all I knew, he may have been a mobster himself, but I mean, he may have been because we had thousands of people that were connected. He was a connected guy. All right, go ahead. I’m sorry. And he said, oh, yeah, sure, no, not a problem because the papers are meant, they’re still, after a year, they’re still mentioning that case will be going to trial soon and every so often. [1:04:43] What I had also done, I tried to make contact with the policewoman, not with her, but I put the word out and I knew a lot of police and I got a hold of somebody that did know her. And I said, look, I said, no, the case is fixed if I want it. Yeah. But I don’t want it. Even though I know that, you know, that it’s all BS, you know, I said, look, I said, get a hold of her and get a hold of her lawyer and tell them if they want to file a lawsuit, you know, you know, we can, they can get themselves some money on it. Uh, you know, he’ll indicate, you know, he’ll, he’ll, he’ll indicate that, you know, he, he was guilty or whatever, but I wanted to get her some money. The word I get back is tell him that piece of shit, meaning me to drop dead, to drop dead. You know, we’re going to put this guy in prison and that’s where he should be too. When the case now, now when the case goes to trial. [1:05:48] The coppers lied like hell and talk about stupid. I’ve got the police reports there. When they took him into the police station, they wouldn’t take him. The station said take him to a hospital. He goes to the hospital and the reports, you know, bleeding here, bleeding there, and, you know, marks here, marks there. They beat the hell out of him. [1:06:10] You know, nobody touched him. You know, nobody touched him. Nobody touched him. Was he bleeding? No, no, he wasn’t. He wasn’t bleeding. Didn’t have any, you know, along with, you know, along with everything else. Flat out lied. How many policemen were there? There were two or three. There were about 10 by the time it’s over. But it’s an absolute throwout. Any fingerprints on that metal? Well, we had some fingerprints, but not his. And on and on it went. It’s a throwout case to start with. The courtroom now where the case was, was very interesting. You walk in there, and when you walk in there, there’s about 20 people that can sit. And then there’s, it’s the only courtroom in the building where you have a wall, a glass wall, all the way up, all the way up. Covering in the door, opens up and goes in there. You go in there. It’s a big courtroom. A bunch of benches now in there. You go to the left, and here’s the judge’s chambers. You come out of the chambers, and you walk up about four steps. And here the desk is on like a podium. And it’s not where all the others are, you know, where you look straight forward. It’s over on the side. It’s over, you know, to the left as you walk out of his chambers. [1:07:40] When the judge listens to the case he goes in there I’ll come up back with my ruling he comes out about 10 minutes later he walks up the steps, And now he turns off the microphone. Somebody turns off the microphone so the people in the back can’t hear anything. The ones inside there can, you know, can hear. The one back there can’t hear anything because it’s all enclosed. [1:08:11] That’s why they got the microphone back there. Somebody shut it off. He says, basically, I’m not guilty in a real strange voice. And all but runs off the all but run and don’t ask me why this is what he did all but runs off all but runs off into the into his chambers, you know he’s afraid all those cops out in the audience were going to come and charge the stand I guess and put a whack on him. [1:08:43] But think about it this is Chicago he’s with the bad guys but I’m just saying I don’t know why he did all that, but that’s what he did. And so now, as I come walking out with Mike, and they’re all in uniform, and most of them are in uniform, and then you’ve got the press and all kinds of cameras and whatever there. And as I come walking out along with him, some of these guys I know, and these jerk-offs are like calling me names and whatever. I go, I go see Pat. [1:09:23] And when I go back into Counselor’s Row now, he’s there at the table. And when I come in, it’s a repeat of the Harry Allerman thing. He walks out. He walks directly. And I’m following him, and he walks in. He goes back into the same janitor’s closet and stands on the same steps just above me, you know, talking to me. And I said to him I said this judge is going to have a problem, I said, he’s going to have a problem. I said, what if he says something? And he said to me, nobody would dare. He said, nobody would dare cooperate against us. They know what would happen. Or words to that effect. And don’t ask me why. So many other things had happened before this. But now I’m looking at him and I’m thinking, you know, somebody’s got to stop this craziness. All this stuff. I’m thinking that at the moment, but then I’m worried for some reason, I think he can read my mind. [1:10:34] Stupid as all of this seems, I’m afraid to think that anymore. I’m almost, you know, cause Pat’s such a powerful person and every sense I know, I know his power, but anyhow, so I leave. And like I say, 10, 15 minutes later, that’s all forgotten about. He paid me the rest of the money I was supposed to get from them. [1:10:56] Obviously, he wanted to do it because he was probably charging a lot of money. That’s why he didn’t want me to take things. He wanted to collect the money because while the case was going on too, he puts me in touch with the head of the probation department because he was able to help in some way. He knew some of the, you know, some of the, some of the policemen involved in the thing had been contacted too. Yeah. But they were contacted and they messed up by, you know, they messed up by lying about all that. Yeah. When there’s police reports saying, oh, no, but anyhow, that was that particular case. Tell us why you decided to flip. [1:11:38] These had been your friends. You knew you had explosive information. You knew as a lawyer, you knew what you had to say would send these people to prison for many, many years. if not life. It had to be hard. As other things happened, why did I commit the, Probably two or three other times things happened. But the most important thing was to think when my dad was dying, and I was very close to my dad. When my dad was dyi

As part of the GIRO 2025 mini-series, we speak to Cat Drummond and Tom Durkin about their presentations on Capital modelling and validation market review: Industry trends and best practices.

Houseless people in Nevada County — where the threat of wildfire is very high — live in cars and in the woods during fire season. KVMR News correspondent April Glaser spoke with Tom Durkin of Sierra Roots, as well as guests at a weekly free lunch for unhoused people in Pioneer Park, to learn what's being done to help the county's fast-growing houseless population survive a wildfire.

On this week's News Magazine we bring you details on the upcoming Nevada County CodeRED emergency alert test, Cláudio Mendonça checks in with Tom Durkin, the creative director of the Sierra Roots No Place to Go project, and Science Correspondent Al Stahler lets us know why we should look up at tonight's sky. Marc Cuniberti also joins us for his Money Matters commentary--today's topic: big box stores vs local mom and pop shops. We close with an essay by Nevada City poet Molly Fisk.

Tom Durkin is the Creative Director of the Sierra Roots No Place to Go Project. He's hoping that the Nevada County Board of Supervisors will allow all homes on wheels when they vote on the tiny homes on wheels ordinance at Tuesday's meeting.

Day 1 of our special mini-series recorded live at the GIRO Conference in Birmingham. Today we caught up with: • Chehak Jain and Paul Goodenough from AXA XL about their presentation on cyber: the evolving threat landscape and the reserving challenges. • Kartina Tahir Thomson, President of the IFoA, about her aims for the year and what she is looking forward to at GIRO. • Jake Iveson, who is an Actuary at Oliver Wyman and Chair of the General Insurance Research and thought Leadership Committee. • Raluca Stefan, Hamda Mosoud and Kamran Garcha from Grant Thornton and the IFoA working party ‘measuring sustainability in the absence of metrics and measurements' about modern slavery. • Sheena Suchak, Head of Validation at Lloyd's and Tom Durkin from LCP about their presentation on topical issues for capital modelling and validation.

After local news and your weekend weather report the KVMR Friday News Magazine jumps into the World of Finance with the Economic Report.  KVMR science correspondent Al Stahler Explores the world of creepy crawlers below our feet in the soil. He speaks to an ecologist studying a way to track and count the invertebrates moving through the earth. Tom Durkin, the creative director of the Sierra Roots/No Place to Go Project brings us a commentary aimed at a new Nevada County tiny homes ordinance. We close with an essay by Nevada City poet Molly Fisk.

Hello and welcome to a new podcast from The Jockey Club and In the Money Media.In this first episode, hosts Shannon Kelly and Peter Thomas Formatale are joined by The Jockey Club's Associate Registrar Lori Johnson, to discuss the process of registering a thoroughbred. Then Jaime Roth, of LNJ Foxwoods, drops by to discuss the “method behind the madness” of her naming process with details about her love of familial lines, pop culture, art and sport all become evident in the names she chooses. She has 150 names on reserve and runs us through some of her favorites. Finally, Tom Durkin takes the story full circle, and tells us how the name on paper comes alive in his legendary race calls.

On this episode of The Time of Monsters, Tom Durkin and Joe Ferguson join Jeet Heer to discuss the FISA renewal.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

On this episode of The Time of Monsters, Tom Durkin and Joe Ferguson on FISA renewal.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

We start with the Bull Page and Victorian Queen Stakes from Woodbine, go to Mohawk Park for the Mohawk Million, the Elegant Image, the She's a Great Lady, the Canadian Trotting Classic, the Metro Pace and another stunning win by Tattoo Artist. Two ends of the jockey spectrum -55-year-old Gary Boulanger tells us why he's retiring 36 years after his first ride and 21-year-old Sofia Vives, in her first full year of riding, gets the news from us that she will win the Sovereign as Canada's outstanding apprentice. Scott Zeron won both the Little Brown Jug and the Jugette last week in the same year that he won the NA Cup and the Hambletonian so we ask, ‘Is he the driver of the year?' A special treat for you as Tom Durkin interrupted his retirement to call a $3,000 trot at the Delaware Fair Grounds. He nailed it. We look at the contentious jockeys' race at Ajax Downs, and some schadenfreude in this podcast - pleasure at the pain of others - someone bet $40,000 to show on a sure thing in a 4-horse race at Assiniboia Downs. Wait until you hear what happened.

Tons to go over on the newest edition of the show, as the Denver Nuggets and Vegas Golden Knights have been crowned champs in the NBA and NHL. What about the TV numbers for both and what do they really mean?That and a special guest with great insight on the College Baseball World Series starting this weekend are big topics on the "Last Word On Sports Media" Podcast.Host T.J. Rives gives his thoughts and insight on Denver winning + the celebration like no other in "Sin City." He also has more on Fox Sports' disastrous coverage of the Belmont Stakes Horse Race, as you couldn't hear legendary track announcer Tom Durkin's call of the race/winner. T.J. also has thoughts on the late Tuesday night follow up "bombshell" that PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan is taking a leave from his role for a "medical situation." What does that really and truly mean short term and long term and who really knows what's next in the Tour vs. LIV golf saga. And, oh, it's U.S. Open week in Los Angeles, as the best golfers in the world try to win the prestigious title.Then, it's some tremendous insight on the College Baseball World Series getting underway in Omaha, NE this weekend from Vince Ferrara of 99.1 the Sports Animal in Knoxville, TN. Vince talks Tennessee making it back to Omaha for the second time in three years, why the SEC is so good at placing teams in this event and also, what about the football scheduling debate of playing a 9th SEC conference game or not?It's all part of the "Last Word on Sports Media" podcast and make sure to follow/subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, etc.And, stay engaged at www.lastwordonsports.com/podcastsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Tons to go over on the newest edition of the show, as the Denver Nuggets and Vegas Golden Knights have been crowned champs in the NBA and NHL. What about the TV numbers for both and what do they really mean?That and a special guest with great insight on the College Baseball World Series starting this weekend are big topics on the "Last Word On Sports Media" Podcast.Host T.J. Rives gives his thoughts and insight on Denver winning + the celebration like no other in "Sin City." He also has more on Fox Sports' disastrous coverage of the Belmont Stakes Horse Race, as you couldn't hear legendary track announcer Tom Durkin's call of the race/winner. T.J. also has thoughts on the late Tuesday night follow up "bombshell" that PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan is taking a leave from his role for a "medical situation." What does that really and truly mean short term and long term and who really knows what's next in the Tour vs. LIV golf saga. And, oh, it's U.S. Open week in Los Angeles, as the best golfers in the world try to win the prestigious title.Then, it's some tremendous insight on the College Baseball World Series getting underway in Omaha, NE this weekend from Vince Ferrara of 99.1 the Sports Animal in Knoxville, TN. Vince talks Tennessee making it back to Omaha for the second time in three years, why the SEC is so good at placing teams in this event and also, what about the football scheduling debate of playing a 9th SEC conference game or not?It's all part of the "Last Word on Sports Media" podcast and make sure to follow/subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, etc.And, stay engaged at www.lastwordonsports.com/podcastsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Tom Durkin is one of horse racing's most famous voices, covering events such the Breeder's Cup and Triple Crown races for 43 years. After almost 10 years of retirement, Tom is returning to the Belmont Racetrack with FOX, to call the final leg of the Triple Crown race on Saturday, June 10th.   Tom joins Janice to discuss how feels about getting back on the microphone to call one of the most famous races in America, recalls his favorite races called throughout his career, and weighs in on the controversy behind the level of safety for horses that compete. Tell Janice who made your Dean's List! Follow Janice on Twitter: @janicedean Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This podcast cover lots of ground - some of it on the turf because Woodbine ran its first grass races last Saturday. It was a big day for South African jockey Ryan Munger. It was Opening Day at Fort Erie and when a lady named Rachel Slevinsky won a race, it piqued our curiosity. Race caller Sugar Doyle had his 'A' game at Western Fair for the Forest City Pace and the Camluck Classic. Garnet Barnsdale hooked up with Chris Christoforou at the President's reception for the new inductees into the Canadian Horse Racing Hall of Fame. Host Peter Gross got his idol, the legendary race caller Tom Durkin on the phone to chat about him coming out of retirement to call the Belmont Stakes. And for families that like to have all the cheques coming to the same address, we have races at Mohawk won by father Dustin and son Tyler Jones, and a heat from Australia in which the Parnham brothers ran 1-2-3-

Tom Durkin joins us to talk about the work of the Backstretch Employee Service Team (BEST) - its history, its growth and its importance.

We break from our normal format to present a collection of the most amusing, goofiest and mind expanding stories of the year..things that can only happen in horse racing. Like Turf Paradise's Craig Braddick playing Torture the Track announcer, or Tampa Bay's Jason Beam and his hilarious parody of Don McLean's America Pie. There was the night that the number 5 kept winning at Mohawk and we couldn't resist when we found a horse named Horse. A race at the Meadows that paid tribute to alcoholic beverages, a heat in Alberta where the top 4 horses were all Outlaws and a race from Gulfstream where the chaotic outcome was specifically defined by the winning horse. Bill Megens is now 89, but when he trained a winner recently at Western Fair, he gave an unusual prediction of his retirement date. And there is no jockey quite like quarter horse rider Tony Phillips. To celebrate his winning year at Ajax Downs, Phillips produced a rap of his equine accomplishments. Also appearing in this podcast –Tom Durkin, George Thorogood, the Clash, Bruce Springsteen, Alanis Morissette, Fred Flintstone, the Who, the Bobby Fuller Four and Aerosmith.

Tom Durkin (Bank of America) joins TMI's Tom Alford from this year's Sibos event in Amsterdam to discuss all things APIs. Our guest provides an overview of the advantages of APIs in payments and how these translate into valuable benefits for corporates, and explains how Bank of America's CashPro Payment API is meeting client needs for payments connectivity.

Incredible interview with a horse racing icon, the one and only Tom Durkin!! We'll talk about his upbringing, career, and life after racetrack announcing. Promotions: 1) Subscribe to the excellent, informative and profitable Race-Day Blog! Please go to: https://www.patreon.com/hhhracingpodcast . Fantastic ABC P4 and P5 grids, along with Spot Plays and Price Plays provided that have hit close to 40% in 2021 and currently has an ROI of almost $3. Purchase your blog NOW and make 2022 your best handicapping year ever! Highly recommend you wait until after the 1st of the month to purchase instead of the end of the month. 2) Go to our new website, hhhracingpodcast.com, for information about the YouTube Channel / Podcast. Examples of shows, Race-Day Blogs, pictures, and more! 2) JOIN BetUS TODAY at https://www.betus.com.pa/ In order to receive a 125% (of your deposit) FREE PLAY, deposit min. of $50 using a credit card (must be a cc) into your new account and USE THE PROMO CODE: RACING3H . This will be typed in when you submit your payment. Start playing today!! #nyra #TomDurkin #horseracing #horseracingtips --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/howard-k-kravets/support

In our special bonus episode this week, Jessica sits down with Tom Durkin and Cat Drummond to discuss how LCP's InsurSight Predict platform will transform reserving for insurers.

This week on Episode Five of the "Announcers Schedules Podcast," Mike Gill and Phil de Montmollin welcome in NBC Sports Kentucky Derby and Triple Crown race caller Larry Collmus (35:10 mark) to discuss his career and life as horse racing's preeminent announcer. Collmus includes details of his call of the longshot victory by Rich Strike at this year's Kentucky Derby and much more during a fascinating conversation.Throughout the show, a grand total of 80 different announcers are mentioned along with an array of topics discussed including:·         Nick Faldo retirement announcement; CBS naming Trevor Immelman as lead golf analyst·         US Open coverage; LIV Golf·         Greg Olsen and Tom Brady at FOX·         Ryan Fitzpatrick to Amazon Prime; Studio shows at Amazon and on streaming platforms·         NBA Finals wrap up; Lisa Salters post-game; Dell Curry the broadcaster·         NHL Stanley Cup Finals on TV and radio·         MLB on Peacock and Apple Plus ·         John Sterling replacements on Yankees Radio·         Men's College World Series on TV and radio·         Kevin Kugler wins award from college baseball writers·         New voice of the Florida State Seminoles, replacing Gene Deckerhoff  Episode 5 announcer mentions: Larry Collmus, George Ofman, Ryan Dempster, T.J. Rives, Nick Faldo, Jim Nantz, Mike Tirico, Paul Azinger, Trevor Immelman, Dan Patrick, Greg Olsen, Tom Brady, Adam Schefter, Al Michaels, Kevin Burkhardt, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Richard Sherman, Tony Gonzalez, Charissa Thompson, Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Lisa Salters, Marc Kestecher, Doris Burke, P.J. Carlesimo, Mark Jones, Dell Curry, Eric Collins, Sean McDonough, Ray Ferraro, Emily Kaplan, Brian Boucher, Larry McReynolds, John Forslund, Joe Micheletti, John Ahlers, Billy Jaffe, Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Jason Benetti, Ruben Amaro Jr., Kevin Frandsen, Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, John Kruk, Ben Davis, Mike Schmidt, Tommy Hutton, Jeff Nelson, Gaby Sanchez, John Sterling, Brendan Burke, Sweeny Murti, Justin Shackil, Rickie Ricardo, Harry Caray, Boog Sciambi, Jay Randolph, Lindsay Czarniak, Karl Ravech, Eduardo Perez, Ben McDonald, Kyle Peterson, Chris Burke, Mike Monaco, Kris Budden, Dani Wexelman, Kevin Kugler, John Bishop, Gary Sharp, Connor Happer, Scott Graham, Jeff Culhane, Tony Caridi, Gene Deckerhoff, Bob Costas, Tom Durkin, Tom Hammond, Travis StoneHear all about it on the "Announcer Schedule Podcast" and make sure to follow/subscribe to the Sports Media Watch podcast feed on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, etc. for more great content like this!!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week on Episode Five of the "Announcers Schedules Podcast," Mike Gill and Phil de Montmollin welcome in NBC Sports Kentucky Derby and Triple Crown race caller Larry Collmus (35:10 mark) to discuss his career and life as horse racing's preeminent announcer. Collmus includes details of his call of the longshot victory by Rich Strike at this year's Kentucky Derby and much more during a fascinating conversation.Throughout the show, a grand total of 80 different announcers are mentioned along with an array of topics discussed including:·         Nick Faldo retirement announcement; CBS naming Trevor Immelman as lead golf analyst·         US Open coverage; LIV Golf·         Greg Olsen and Tom Brady at FOX·         Ryan Fitzpatrick to Amazon Prime; Studio shows at Amazon and on streaming platforms·         NBA Finals wrap up; Lisa Salters post-game; Dell Curry the broadcaster·         NHL Stanley Cup Finals on TV and radio·         MLB on Peacock and Apple Plus ·         John Sterling replacements on Yankees Radio·         Men's College World Series on TV and radio·         Kevin Kugler wins award from college baseball writers·         New voice of the Florida State Seminoles, replacing Gene Deckerhoff  Episode 5 announcer mentions: Larry Collmus, George Ofman, Ryan Dempster, T.J. Rives, Nick Faldo, Jim Nantz, Mike Tirico, Paul Azinger, Trevor Immelman, Dan Patrick, Greg Olsen, Tom Brady, Adam Schefter, Al Michaels, Kevin Burkhardt, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Richard Sherman, Tony Gonzalez, Charissa Thompson, Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Lisa Salters, Marc Kestecher, Doris Burke, P.J. Carlesimo, Mark Jones, Dell Curry, Eric Collins, Sean McDonough, Ray Ferraro, Emily Kaplan, Brian Boucher, Larry McReynolds, John Forslund, Joe Micheletti, John Ahlers, Billy Jaffe, Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Jason Benetti, Ruben Amaro Jr., Kevin Frandsen, Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, John Kruk, Ben Davis, Mike Schmidt, Tommy Hutton, Jeff Nelson, Gaby Sanchez, John Sterling, Brendan Burke, Sweeny Murti, Justin Shackil, Rickie Ricardo, Harry Caray, Boog Sciambi, Jay Randolph, Lindsay Czarniak, Karl Ravech, Eduardo Perez, Ben McDonald, Kyle Peterson, Chris Burke, Mike Monaco, Kris Budden, Dani Wexelman, Kevin Kugler, John Bishop, Gary Sharp, Connor Happer, Scott Graham, Jeff Culhane, Tony Caridi, Gene Deckerhoff, Bob Costas, Tom Durkin, Tom Hammond, Travis StoneHear all about it on the "Announcer Schedule Podcast" and make sure to follow/subscribe to the Sports Media Watch podcast feed on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, etc. for more great content like this!!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week a look at the less-greats in horse racing, including a horse named after a fruit, a horse named after a tuber, and an announcer has to call a race with a horse evidently named by a 17th century pirate. Let's GO!***** Resources for this week's episode: Youtube video of Tom Durkin calling the ARRRRR race….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0wQzq9Yzg  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_of_Thoroughbred_Racinghttps://www.livescience.com/14020-kentucky-derby-weird-horse-names.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/sport/race-horse-names-betting-frankel/index.htmlhttps://horseracingsense.com/why-are-racehorse-names-so-weird/https://www.si.com/horse-racing/2021/04/29/kentucky-derby-best-and-worst-nameshttps://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/sport/horsey-mchorseface/index.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaty_McBoatfacehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justify_(horse)https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/how-did-rich-strike-win-kentucky-derby/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruler_on_Icehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pants_On_Fire_(horse)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jockey_Club_(United_States)Pot8oshttps://www.amusingplanet.com/2020/08/a-racing-horse-named-potoooooooo.htmlhttps://www.grunge.com/144630/royals-who-married-their-relatives/ Measure of Things websiteIntro/Outro: Tiptoe out the Back by Dan Liebowicz, Interstitial music by MK2Additional music and sound effects by Pixabay and Freesound.orgVisit BewilderBeastsPod.com or find BewilderBeastsPod on all social media platforms. Just look for the logo, you'll find it! Support the show

In our first episode of the season, we catch up with Tom Durkin, head of LCP's Insurance Consulting team about “the insurer of the future”. We discuss: • Why do insurers need to change? • Examples of firms which are ahead of the game. • What firms should be looking to do now to start the journey.

California just released its roadmap to phasing out gas-powered cars. If you're in the market to buy an electric vehicle today, good luck. The EV market is smoking hot and inventory is low. Also in demand: poll monitors, as the June 7th primary looms. After regional news and weather, KVMR news director, Claudio Mendonca talks to Tom Durkin about his video project in support of a mission to provide safe space for the chronically unhoused. We end with an essay from Molly Fisk.

On 19 July, the U.S. Department of Defense announced that Abdul Latif Nasir had been released from Guantanamo Bay back to his family in Morocco. Mr. Nasir was a detainee at Guantanamo for 19 years, during which time he was known as prisoner 244. He was never charged. In 2016, during Barack Obama's push to close Guantanamo, Abdul Latif Nasir was cleared for release by the Periodic Review Board (PRB). Six U.S. agencies assured that he was no longer a risk to U.S. security. However, his release was delayed and when Donald Trump was inaugurated into office in January 2017 it was too late. Trump's campaign promise that no more detainees would be released from Guantanamo Bay was fulfilled. But on 19 July he was released, making him the first Guantanamo detainee to be sent home in more than three years. In this episode, Al Bawaba's Nicholas Prichard speaks to two lawyers who helped to free Abdul Latif Nasir. Thomas Anthony Durkin is a defense attorney at the law firm Durkin and Roberts and teaches law at the Loyola University Chicago School of Law. He's worked to defend many notable cases to do with terrorism and Guantanamo detainees. His other guest, Bernard E. Harcourt is Professor of Law and Professor of Political Science at Columbia University in the City of New York. He is also a distinguished theorist, legal advocate, writer, and editor. His most recent book is Critique and Praxis. Nicholas began by asking Tom Durkin how he found out about Abdul Latif Nasir's release. The conversation then moves to the legal specifics of Abdul Latif Nasir and the other detainees in Guantanamo Bay. The conversation ends with a discussion on what this means for justice in the U.S. and the relationship between the courts and politicians.

Opioid addiction medication-assisted treatments are limited in the state. South Dakota News Watch investigative reporter Danielle Ferguson is with us as we look into a Reporter's Notebook. The Badlands National Park is seeking a dark sky sanctuary designation. Tom Durkin is deputy director of the South Dakota Space Grant Consortium, he joins us with more on dark skies in western South Dakota. The National Women's Law Center reports the female labor force has dropped to 57 percent, the lowest level since 1988. Influential She 's Melody Schopp & Deb Soholt discuss high leverage practices to help get women back on track in their careers and professional lives. This day in 1972, Senator George McGovern was nominated to be the Democratic candidate for President, running against Richard Nixon. South Dakota entrepreneur Diane Knutson is on a mission to eliminate light pollution worldwide. She joins us to talk about the Dark Sky Movement and the International Dark Sky Association (IDA)

In this episode of the AFSA Extra Credit Podcast, AFSA Senior Vice President speaks with Dr. Tom Durkin about the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Taskforce Report on Federal Consumer Finance Law. The report provides a number of key insights into the important role that all consumer finance products play in American lives. CFPB Taskforce Report AFSA Blog post on the Report

In Part II of our Kentucky Derby Series we are joined by Churchill Downs Track Announcer Travis Stone as he prepares for the Run for the Roses - The 146th Kentucky Derby!Travis reflects on his early days at the track as he grew up just an hour north of Saratoga, New York. He grew up idolizing legendary track announcer Tom Durkin, which fueled his fire to call his first live race at just 18 years old. He describes how auction school helped his track announcing career and a memorable instructor.Travis details the pressures of his 1st Kentucky Derby in 2015 and a win by American Pharoah and the elation of his first Derby call being over...you can watch it HERE.Travis gives us a breakdown of his favorite tracks to call horse races and what makes each facility and atmosphere unique. He also highlights how he prepares for each Derby Day and developing a sense for how the race might go and having his phrases in mind leading up to the call to the posts.Travis gives us a feel for what Churchill Downs is like without the presence of longtime VP of Communications and WKU alum, Mr. John Asher, who passed away suddenly in August 2018.Travis can be followed on Twitter @TravisStone.

In Part I of our 2020 Kentucky Derby Series: Preparing for the 146th Running for the Roses, the Voice of the Triple Crown for NBC Sports joins us to chat about the COVID-delayed Kentucky Derby on September 5th at Churchill Downs. He also highlights about the events leading up to American Pharoah's 2015 Triple Crown victory as well as Justify's Triple Crown triumph in 2018. Larry also hits on a funny part in his career in 2010 at Monmouth Park featuring Mywifenosevrything beating Thewifedoesntknow in a 1-2 finish that has led to over 750,000 YouTube views. Larry describes more of his experiences as a track announcer as well as calling horse races without fans due to COVID19, and his special experience meeting American Pharoah in 2015. He also briefs us on his race day routine as well as his broadcasting routine and being mentioned in the same breath as other horse racing legends like Tom Hammond, Dave Johnson, Mike Battaglia & Tom Durkin. Collmus enjoys giving back to retired race horses and is involved with Old Friends Equine in Georgetown, Kentucky.Larry can be followed on Twitter @LarryCollmus.

JK and T$ talk about how they met on a blind date, ALL things Kentucky Derby, Tom Durkin, his career as a race caller, Radiant CUT, Trevor Denman, auctioneer school, the Saratoga Special, and more!

Joe and Tom discuss his beginnings at the county fair circuit of Wisconsin, his mentor Phil Georgeff, preparation for big races, his Belmont heartbreaks, acting in plays, B.E.S.T., the 2017 Kentucky Derby Cab Story and much more!

JK and T$ talk about how they met on a blind date, ALL things Kentucky Derby, Tom Durkin, his career as a race caller, Radiant CUT, Trevor Denman, auctioneer school, the Saratoga Special, and more!

In the last hour of the show the fellas talk the next few days and the special guests that are coming on the show and what excitement they feel to speak to Jazz artist Boney James and legendary horse racing broadcaster Tom Durkin. 

An excerpt from Episode3: Matter The Race is On (after George Jones, with inspiration from Tom Durkin and Larry Collmus) ...Now on the back stretch,Happily Married is leading along the railfollowed by Is This All There IsStuck in the Middle with You is three lengths backit’s still Happily Married, Is This All There Is,and here comes Late Night at Work,now Attractive Secretary is making her move,is This All There Is has moved in front of Happily Married,Attractive Secretary is looking good,it’s Late Night at Work, How About a Nightcap,it’s Instant Fires, and then Drunken Evening,Happily Married has fallen off the pace,It’s Attractive Secretaryand now Red Camaro is coming on hard...Words and music © 2020 by Scott Taylor Transcript at Scott Taylor's cover is blown

Imagine yourself in the middle of a world-destroying catastrophe. Now imagine that we have a short quiz for you. It won’t take but a minute. The world is a dusty, dark chaos, and the trap our unreliable narrator finds himself in, gets more dire as the story goes on. Agents Angstrom and Kinski find themselves in a different kind of trap—and due to a lack of budget, and thus, vocal talent, poor Kinski doesn’t even get a speaking part. An announcement that the hit show Arena is returning to the air tonight to answer the question, “What Happens After We Die?” Then The Race is On—with apologies to George Jones, Tom Durkin, and Larry Collmus. And finally, a poem about life, the universe, and everything.A warning for the wary listener: everyone dies in this one.Words and music © 2019 by Scott Taylor Transcript at Scott Taylor's cover is blownSFX Credit Attribution:Horses Racetrack, Montevideo, Uru provided by sounddogs/ Pond5Horse Racing Crowd Cheering At End Of Flat Race provided by soundsvisual/Pond5Race Track Crowd, Gates Open provided by ProSoundEffects/Pond5Horse Race Meeting Crowd provided by jfxsound/Pond5War Drums provided by jmac713/Pond5Wind Desert Sand provided by clacksfx/Pond5Rain hitting roof provided by quietswede/Pond5

Speak to sell fitness by creating a presentation that inspires and educates. I'm not talking about your power point. The best presentations to those groups like Rotary, Chamber of Commerce, and corporations don't use power point. They use heart. I speak to sell fitness opportunity must have the emotional factor. If you don't touch emotion you won't be remembered. 40-year Fitness business owner/operator Tom Durkin is here today- not to do a book review – we'll be back with another book review soon and I'll link to a few prior episodes here. Tom has been one of the biggest influences of fitness in the state of Iowa with multiple business locations in multiple cities. Uniquely he's anything but a silent partner he's operating general manager. That means during the course of a day he'll lead management meetings, nursery meetings, hire and train personal trainers, work in the membership office, sign employees paychecks, approve ads, and make public appearances to any number of groups including the chamber of commerce, large corporations, small businesses to grow the membership and help people. He has over 300 employees and thousands of members. He speaks. He sells.   Looking back over 40 years, how valuable has public speaking been in growing your businesses and your “brand” as the fitness guy? Lot's of people get asked to speak, some get asked back, and you've been asked back many times, what do you attribute that to?  You have over 300 employees – some in the position you were in when you began – but you are asked to give the presentation. Why do you think that is? Why don't you send your employees? How would you describe the kind of presentation you give?  How do you prepare and plan? You've got to have a beginning, middle, end that includes some kind of offer and we'll talk about that separately, can you lay out how your presentation might go? Story is a huge connector and it has the ability to 1) create an emotional imprint 2) be remarkable – people will retell a story who will never retell the way to build bone density or some esoteric reasons fitness changes lives … now, you've got an advantage of 40 years of story collecting… do you remember? When you first started what stories did you tell?  How do you structure your offer at the end of a presentation? More than one trainer or owner listening may resonate with your message and still be thinking, I could never do that, come on that strong, use those words… what would you say to them? You may be thinking, I don't have 40 years to get good, collect stories, get confident… how can I get started now? The thing that stops more trainers from speaking to sell fitness is confidence. You have a message, you would like to reach more people. I've watched one trainer who trained one-on-one clients at a whisper because she lacked confidence and didn't want anyone else to hear what she was saying – go from that to loving to speak. It took a couple years… of her following up with calls to clients, doing consultations and asking for the sale. Here's the difference: confidence. Confidence comes doing things out of your comfort zone. So say you're a basketball player and you've traveled all over in college, you started, you were great at it, you always got pretty good grades, did well in most things you tried. You don't gain confidence from that. Why? Because it came easy.  In fact, if in your life most things were easy – at least doing them average was easy – you lack confidence when it comes to something new. If you're not good at it right away chances are you push back. Case in point? What's Blocking Your Confidence? Look at your own high school or college athlete stars. Then look at the nerds who weren't part of the popular group. Usually after high school those nerds blossom. The stars? Many of them played it safe and aren't in very good shape any more. They go live at home where they can relive that old identity and are more likely to be overweight and out of shape. True story! Life will force you to grow and develop confidence or you'll coast through without really gaining anything but luck.  Most of the listeners who started their own fitness business from middle class America had middle class or better grades, and sports, and dated a few people then got engaged and married and it was all pretty easy. Those who didn't have the ideal childhood, who had to get better, have more confidence and often come on stronger. Can you relate to that? So getting out of your comfort zone and doing things you don't ordinarily do is key. Not once, but committing to them for 8 weeks or 3 months. Speak to Sell Fitness Opportunities: Speaking today includes podcasts, webinars, live video (Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Instagram TV). I speak 3-4 times a week almost every week even if I don't get on a stage or in front of a room of people. Create it. Film it. Critique it. Get better. Take some action. Speak to sell fitness by being interesting, animated, and interested in your audience's goals. Speaking Resources: Toastmasters National Speakers Association improvisation comedy club drama class They can build confidence. And they can make you a more interesting speaker. Who gets “yes” and who gets asked back? Interesting, engaging speakers who are having a good time being authentic. You can, by the way, speak to sell fitness, without being salesy, or sleazy.  Want help crafting a story that targets emotion and sells without selling? Book a session with me to talk about your speak to sell skills and how to get you booked to speak soon.  Other Resources: Link to How to Make an Irresistible Fitness Offer How to Reach the Most Lucrative Market Thanks for leaving a rating in iTunes! 1) visit Voice for Fitness Professionals in iTunes 2) click listen in iTunes 3) leave a star rating and a comment 4) know how much I appreciate it!

On episode 25 of the Horse Racing Show, Kenny Rice goes over some of the history of the Triple Crown, including how it got to be known as such. Race calling legend Tom Durkin discuses his career, keeping up with all his descriptive words and phrases, the benefits of hypnosis, the 1988 Breeders' Cup, being a horse owner, his most memorable race to call, and his appearances on Match Game and $25,000 Pyramid. Amy Zimmerman, multiple Eclipse Award and Emmy Award-winning NBC producer and Vice President of Santa Anita, talks about her friendship with Secretariat owner Penny Chenery, American Pharoah, Santa Anita, this year's Kentucky Derby, and the World Equestrian Games. Author Jennifer S. Kelly tells us about her book on the first Triple Crown winner, Sir Barton. Connect with Us on Social Media! Twitter - @HorseRacingShow Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/TheHorseRacingShow Facebook - fb.me/TheHorseRacingShow Instagram - thehorseracingshow

Are you great or desire to be? Do you have a conventional education or not? Questions we answer with our book review today. My cohost Tom Durkin Owner operator Ames Fitness and Fitness World Ankeny in Midwest, CEO of Health & Fitness Management, 40 years in fitness industry sales and management. He has over 2000 books in his personal library. He manages over 315 employees daily at multiple facilities.  Questions we answer in todays episode:  What book (or books) are we talking about today and who are the authors? Great by Choice– Jim Collins Dark Horse-Todd Rose How influenced are you - or should others be - on "best seller lists" ? If they're simply popularity contests based on the best marketing and promotion campaigns, there are likely some bombs on those lists and some "sleepers" out there that no one else knows about until a review like this. What's been the best and most reliable source of what-to-read-next for you?  How much does the author's background, credentials, and experience matter to you in your selection of what to read next?  What made these books review-worthy? What are the biggest take-aways from Great by Choice? Are you living up to your potential? Who are you competing against? Are you great compared to them? Are you fulfilled and full according to your goal? Am I taking the steps to do it?  What steps can you take to be great by choice? Talk to people to create rapport, offer a session, use a script, ask for a sale Have a list of leads Book speeches, presentations, creating podcasts articles Be prepared, planned for the customers you have Measure how many times you've done each of these steps regularly (daily, weekly) “People who are great by choice have clear performance markers.” - Tom Durkin, 40-year fitness industry owner & manager  What are three take-aways from Dark Horse?  Everybody has talent. There are many pathways to success and fulfillment. A non-traditional approach doesn't necessarily put you at a disadvantage.  Could a non-traditional approach be an asset? In fitness, not having a degree or starting late in life, for example might be an asset. What do you think of the statement “Being Different, is Better than Being Better”? Another book this is reminiscent of - Outliers, by Malcom Gladwell. (not on our review list right now) If you had to recommend a top 10 books to read on habits of successful people... would either or both make the cut?  No to Great By Choice No to Dark Horse Up next in our book club review: Mindset– by Carol Dweck Have you read Great by Choice or Dark Horse?

Peter travels to Saratoga Springs, NY for an interview with retired horse race announcer Tom Durkin. In this last episode of the calendar year, (and Fall semester) Peter posts an interview he did for his upcoming documentary on horse racing announcers. They talk about words, the stress of the being a race announcer, hypnosis and much more. New episodes of Teaching in the Arts will resume in January.

Note: this how to hire the right person podcast was originally posted October 5. Technology somehow through a wrench in the audio. This is a must-listen - thanks for your patience as we resurrected the audio file. How can you hire the right person every time? If you've ever hired the wrong person, or struggled to even find a few solid candidates to interview, then this is your episode. If you're going it solo, a part of a team, you're on Main street, deliver services, or you're online definitely take a listen to this podcast. I recently had this conversation with my best friend who has more than 35 years of experience hiring and between the two of us we've been hiring, training, firing or being quit for a hundred years! Yikes! We both agreed this is still one of the hardest things to get right. So if you want to earn from our mistakes and from my guest today… pop your ear buds in or turn it up because you are going to need a team if you're going to grow and make a difference. No one does it alone. My guest today is Claire Garrigan. She was among the top 3% nationwide for membership and personal training sales year after year, Claire now helps small-to-medium sized fitness facilities increase their revenue by teaching owners and staff how to sell consistently and effectively. Her sales training program, The Selling Fitness Blueprint, has been used in membership-based gyms and by personal trainers throughout North America and Europe to help fitness professionals not only increase revenue but to get them confident and comfortable with selling-without feeling like a used car salesman! Download the cheat sheet for this podcast right now to help you get the most out of this podcast. You'll hire the right person with a plan and you can create it right now. 1) For a fitness facility hiring membership sales staff OR a digital trainer hiring his or her first team members what are some of the key traits they should be looking for in a potential hire? 2) What are some of the mistakes facilities make when hiring their staff, sales staff or otherwise? 3.) Before you even get to an interview what are some ways you can screen to filter out the best clients and repel those candidates who would hate the job and make you both frustrated? 4.) What steps do you like to have candidates do to weed themselves out? 5.) What's are some questions we should be asking during an interview to find out if our potential hire would be a good fit for our facility and truly are the right person? 6) Once you hire the right person, how do you set them up for success? Connect with Claire: http://www.whyilovemondays.com https://www.instagram.com/whyilovemondays/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-garrigan-a5153b90/ Additional Podcasts You Might Like: Career Truths podcast with Erin Carson Personal Training Job Skills with Tom Durkin  

Tom Durkin talks user-friendly mobile banking and Amazon extends Prime Day.

Personal training job skills, the kind that get you hired and keep you successful, are the focus on this episode with my guest, Tom Durkin, operating manager of Ames Racquet & Fitness Center and Fitness World locations in Iowa… in business for 39 inside 6 buildings every day and at least 5 staff meetings weekly with 350 employees shares ideal personal training job skills from the perspective of a business owner and operating manager. As a personal trainer you're going to be interviewed when you apply for a job unless you go into business for yourself. Even if you do take on the business world yourself, you will find the conversation I had with Tom Durkin who's been interviewing, hiring, training, and firing fitness staff for 39 years valuable. When you have the opportunity to take advice from someone who has consistently and successfully been in business for 39 years, do it. Tom and I discuss the personal training skills that have made trainers successfully create both a career and a life they love. Listen to this episode for ways you can round out your academic education, and enhance your personal training skills so you are uniquely attractive to your employer and your clients. The real skill is learning how to say it, write it, and sell it. What we cover on this episode: The importance of personal training in business revenue generation: #1 membership #2 personal training Tom shared the Personal training traits that make a trainer attractive when he's interviewing: Education Marketing Sales Promotion The importance these personal training job skills: Willingness to market yourself Separate yourself from other trainers Follow up We discussed payment options and expectations in personal training past, present, and future: Hourly vs. Commission Books Tom recommended: The Brand Called You  Shoe Dog  Resources mentioned: Dave Smith's interview- How to Get More Clients Other episodes in this series: 7 professional secrets of personal training success Email marketing for personal fitness business 

Personal training success is dependent on a mixture of fitness education, communication skills, and business intelligence. This episode is a round up of six influential fitness professionals.  I'm introducing the career planning optimization series and I'm hosting influential fitness professionals about the business. Each is either a master trainer, or fitness owner, or industry leader in some way who has enjoyed longevity of successful and profitable business. They share their response to "What do you wish you'd known before you got into personal training?" This episode previews the series of full episodes with each and every one of them where they share their tips for your personal training success.  Earn from their mistakes by applying their tips to invest in your education, coaching, mentoring or hire better for staff members who can cover the bases you can't or don't want to do! Inside this episode you'll hear from: Dan Ritchie of Functional Aging Institute, FAI, about the importance of email marketing in personal training success.  Dave Smith, founder of an online fitness professional's organization about the importance of influencing fewer people in a bigger way for personal training success.  Shawna Kaminski, influential Canadian business owner - midlife women's fitness specialist, and coach for fitness professionals, shares her 4-step process of vetting a coach and the the value of coaches and mentors. Forty-year business owner Tom Durkin shares the disappointing reality he faced after adding personal training to his programs and services. It provides insight for personal training success skills you want in order to stand out.  Lisa Dougherty, Medfit Network founder, talks about what she wished she'd known about the population's changing needs. Barry Ennis, who has an international presence and career that will inspire you, discusses his biggest tip for personal training success and a career bigger than you might imagine right now.  Erin Carson, owner and manager of Rallysport in Boulder and ECfitBoulder online training for triathletes and anyone who wants balanced fitness shares her golden secret for personal training success. It's not another degree, another certification, and it's available to potentially any trainer. Leave your comments below the show at http://www.fitnessmarketingmastery.com  Leave a rating in iTunes (and subscribe to get the shows right to your phone). 

American Pharoh winning the Triple Crown is easily one of the top sports moments of the 21st century so far.  Larry Collmus was there to tell us all about it.  Calling horse races since he was 18, Collmus worked his way up the ladder until he, in 2011, got the call from NBC to take over for Tom Durkin as the voice of the Triple Crown.  The three races are three of the biggest sports days of the year, and if there's a Triple Crown up for grabs at the Belmont...well that's an whole different ball game.  On this week's episode Larry talks about the art of calling the races, the biggest moments he's witnessed, getting the call to NBC, working with the likes of Bob Costas and much more. 

In this episode of HVAC 360 I summarize my top 12 takeaways from my review of the 2018 ASHRAE Webcast: Making Energy Efficiency a Reality.  This was hosted by a panel of three great presenters: Chris Mathis, Tom Durkin, and Mark Frankel.  Hope you like the episode, show notes are at HVAC360.com/85. Enjoy See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Elkton, MD --- Post Time with Mike and Mike presented by BetAmerica is excited to announce its line-up for Thursday morning (June 8) at 10:30 a.m. Trainer Tony Alagna had the thrill of a lifetime on Saturday night with a victory in the Graduate with Dr J Hanover. While the win was special, the time of the mile is what was impressive. Dr J Hanover paced his mile in 1:46.4, the fastest Canadian mile of all time. We will talk with Alagna about his horse and what is next down the road for his stable. Bob Boni, the manager of Northwood Bloodstock Agency, will join the program to talk about his career in harness racing. We will talk to him about champion Always B Miki and what is coming up in his illustrious stud career. Track announcer at Meadowlands Racing and Entertainment Ken Warkentin will join to talk about the upcoming USTA announcing school. This will be the second announcing school hosted by the USTA, the last hosted by Tom Durkin in Goshen, N.Y. Owner of Guantanamo Bay Leonard Sorge will join as we continue to highlight some of the owners in the sport. Sorge will join to talk about his career as an owner in the sport of harness racing and what is next for Guantanamo Bay. The duo also continues their discussions with Running Aces track announcer Darin Gagne who will highlight the happenings at the Minnesota track from this past week. Post Time can be heard via its website at www.posttimewithmikeandmike.com or on the archive at www.betamerica.com/BARN.  

During his 43-year career, announcer Tom Durkin's electric race calls thrilled fans and stamped historic moments with unforgettable words. He could make you laugh, too. In this episode of Around the Track, Durkin tells stories about his humble beginnings at the track, relives some of his most memorable calls, and details the craft and stresses of calling races like the Kentucky Derby. Listen in...

By Michael Carter, for Post Time with Mike and Mike   Post Time with Mike and Mike, presented by Bet America, has a fantastic program lined up for Thursday (July 14) at 7:00 p.m. Eastern. Legendary NYRA track announcer Tom Durkin will join the program to talk about his harness racing roots and his experiences in racing.  His most distinctive harness call was the great battle in the Hambletonian between Park Avenue Joe and Probe. Ron Burke will join the broadcast to talk about his upcoming horses racing at the Meadowlands this weekend.  The duo will also discuss Foiled Again's most recent victory. Brett Miller will make an appearance as well, as he has a big weekend of drives in stakes action at The Meadowlands Our ongoing series with Running Aces Casino and Racetrack continues, as track announcer Darin Gagne sits down with veteran trainer-driver Tim Maier to talk about his career in harness racing. We will also find out what's coming up next week at the Minnesota oval. "Post Time with Mike and Mike," presented by Bet America, can be heard each Thursday at 7:00 p.m. Eastern live on their website at posttimewithmikeandmike.com, or on-demand athttps://extra.betamerica.com/betamerica-radio-network/

Tom Durkin, 36-year fitness industry owner, manager and operating partner has been in and out of multiple fitness businesses daily longer than personal training has been a "thing." He shares successful hires, hires that were mistakes, and what he looks for in a prospective new employee. What to say, avoid, and how to present at an interview no matter which side of the desk you're sitting on.  Connect with him at www.amesracfit.com As always you can reach Debra for questions, comments and suggestions: www.voiceforfitness.com www.fb.com/voiceforfitnessbiz www.twitter.com/fitnessvoice www.youtube.com/voiceforfitness

In this issue of the WellU podcast, you'll hear me read the preface to Navigating Fitness After 50: Your GPS For Choosing Programs and Professionals You Can Trust. Written by Tom Durkin, Fitness Industry owner and manager for 35 years it reveals the reasons behind the book, his beleif in the importance of the book for you the consumer as well as the fitness industry. For more information on the book visit https://www.voiceforfitness.com

Host Derek Simon gives listeners the finger — literally — as he explains his recent absence from social media, pays tribute to Tom Durkin, and discusses the gutsy performance of Wise Dan in last Saturday’s Bernard Baruch Handicap. In the I Need to Know segment, Derek answers a listener e-mail by explaining the difference between pace, energy, running style and the various units of measurement (miles per hour, feet per second, etc.). Lastly, in the Handicapping segment, Derek presents the Century Dream Breeders' Cup Classic powered by Brisnet.com and narrated by Mike Battaglia.

Today on The Gist, Tamara Cofman Wittes of the Brookings Center for Middle East Policy offers insight into the threat of ISIS in Iraq and President Obama’s selective humanitarian efforts. Then, famed horserace announcer Tom Durkin takes a partial break from calling a race in Sarasota to reflect on his storied career as a horserace announcer. In honor of Durkin’s retirement this month, we’ll remember some of his best calls of all time and his appearance on the TV show Match Game. For the Spiel, who gets to speak about women’s body image? Get The Gist by email as soon as it’s available: slate.com/GistEmail Subscribe to the podcast in iTunes: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/slate…id873667927?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tom Durkin, owner and operating manager of seven fitness centers in Iowa joins the podcast today. Before fitness was the popular thing to do, in a state that isn't even on the top 25 of 50 fittest states, Tom Durkin invested it all in the fitness industry. In the doors every single day since, acting as membership sales manager, general manager, personal training director for the majority of his clubs...he's got knowledge from experience to share. What did he see 35 years ago? What came true and what surprised him? What does he see for the future and how would he recommend personal trainers or personal training directors prepare for a successful future? Few fitness club owners have been in business for 35 years. Hear this unique voice in the fitness industy.