Podcasts about Pinot noir

In this week's show, I cover Pinot Blanc as part of the grape miniseries.   Pinot Blanc is a white color mutation of Pinot Noir, native to Burgundy/Bourgogne. It creates refreshing light- to medium-bodied wines that run the gamut from simple sippers to much more complex, oak-aged versions, to excellent sweet and sparkling wines. Photo: Pinot Blanc.  Credit: Wines of Austria   This lovely grape is often described as a “workhorse” and not treated with much reverence, partially because it is often seen as inferior to its cousin Chardonnay. But a handful of producers these days are showing that Pinot Blanc can be a lot more than a light sipper. When grown on the right sites and treated well, this grape can create beautiful, complex wines. With its high acidity and medium sugars, it is also extremely versatile -- making great still, sparkling, dry, or sweet wines.   In the show, as I always do with the grape miniseries, I cover the history of the grape, how it behaves in the vineyard, the aroma and flavors and how it changes with winemaking. I end with where it is grown and food pairing ideas.   This show has a lot of producer names in it because I know that it is hard to find good versions of Pinot Blanc, so I'm trying to steer you in the right direction.   Full show notes with producer names and all back episodes are on Patreon. Become a member today!   www.patreon.com/winefornormalpeople _______________________________________________________________   Check out my exclusive sponsor, Wine Access.  They have an amazing selection -- once you get hooked on their wines, they will be your go-to! Make sure you join the Wine Access-Wine For Normal People wine club for wines I select delivered to you four times a year!    To register for an AWESOME, LIVE WFNP class with me or get a class gift certificate for the wine lover in your life go to: www.winefornormalpeople.com/classes  

South America may not be the first place you think of for high quality Pinot Noir, but it is definitely time to start putting it on your list, especially because, as wine prices shoot up due to tariffs, these lower cost options are going to be in higher demand. Pinot Noir in places like Chile and Argentina is still relatively new, and they are making exciting Burgundian-style wines in areas you would not expect. Despite most of the wine growing areas in South America tending to be warmer weather spots, they are discovering cooler climate oases where Pinot Noir can really shine. One of the wines we tasted and reviewed this week really knocked our socks off. And, as an extra bonus, we'll dig into just what the eff rosorange wine is - and you can decide if you want to try it. Wines reviewed in this episode: 2020 Sur de los Andes Reserva Pinot Noir, 2021 Leyda Las Brisas Pinot NoirSend us a Text Message and we'll respond in our next episode!Contact The Wine Pair Podcast - we'd love to hear from you!Visit our website, leave a review, and reach out to us: https://thewinepairpodcast.com/Follow and DM us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewinepairpodcast/Send us an email: joe@thewinepairpodcast.com

Tauche mit uns ein in die Welt des Markgräfler Weins – zwischen Schwarzwald, Reben und Leidenschaft. In dieser besonderen Interview-Episode besuchen wir das familiengeführte Weingut Noll in Buggingen-Seefelden, wo sich Tradition und Innovation aufs Schönste verbinden. Wir sprechen mit Fabian Noll, Bachelor für Weinbau & Önologie, über die Philosophie des Hauses, die Vielfalt der Rebsorten und die Besonderheiten des Terroirs. Du erfährst, wie Spontangärung, Handlese und der behutsame Ausbau im Barrique für unverwechselbare Weine sorgen – von Gutedel über Chasselas bis zum Pinot Noir. Besonders spannend: die Aromenreise durch einen Muskateller mit Mango-, Litschi- und Rosenanklängen sowie der Talk über histaminarme Weine. Ein weiteres Highlight ist das Gespräch mit Julia Noll, ehemalige Badische Weinkönigin, die von internationalen Weinerlebnissen und einem bewussteren Weinkonsum in der jungen Generation berichtet. Ob Pop-Up-Festival im Weinberg, Zwiebelkuchenfest im Herbst oder der hauseigene Spargelverkauf – dieses Weingut lebt Genuss mit allen Sinnen. Begleite uns auf einer Episode voller Geschmack, Wissen und Gastfreundschaft – direkt aus dem südlichsten Zipfel Deutschlands.

In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, host Billy Galanko sits down with Sherwyn Veldhuizen and Marcel Giesen, the visionary winegrowers behind Bell Hill, one of New Zealand's most distinctive producers of Pinot Noir and Chardonnay. From a chance blind tasting that led Billy to discover their wines, to the couple's deep Burgundian inspiration and painstaking work establishing Bell Hill on a former limestone quarry in North Canterbury, this conversation explores what makes their wines so compelling.Sherwyn and Marcel reflect on their early days studying viticulture, their formative trips through Burgundy, and the long process of importing rootstocks that could thrive on Bell Hill's high pH soils. They discuss the evolution of their vineyard—from their first plantings in 1997 to their recent experiments with extremely high-density vines—and share insights into single parcel bottlings, screwcap closures, cellar aging, and New Zealand's growing reputation for world-class Chardonnay.

This week's show features an insightful discussion with Shane Munn, Winemaker and General Manager at Martins Lane Winery in Kelowna, who will provide expert commentary on Pinot Noir. Michel Couttolenc, Fine Wines Director for Viñedo Chadwick and Seña, joins us in the studio to offer an in-depth perspective on two iconic Chilean labels and the characteristics that set them apart. We also welcome Joan Cusiné from the renowned Penedès region of Spain—located just 45 minutes from Barcelona. Joan represents the third generation of his family to practice biodynamic farming, melding modern winemaking with respect for ancient Roman traditions evident throughout the region. Finally, we are pleased to connect with David Gates, Senior Vice President of Vineyard Operations at Ridge Vineyards, situated on Monte Bello Ridge in the Santa Cruz Mountains AVA, south of Los Altos, California. David has been a key cog in the quality wheel at Ridge Vineyards seemingly forever.

Alle paar Wochen machen wir, was ihr am liebsten habt: Dummlabern auf hohem Niveau. Stammhörer*innen wissen, was das bedeutet: Schelli ist mal wieder zu Gast – mit der ihm eigenen Mischung aus höchster Faktensicherheit und fragwürdigen Hot-Takes. Zunächst mal wird geklärt, wegen welcher angedrohten Gewalttat er fast von der Schule geflogen wäre und was ein Kalmuck ist. Beides hat übrigens nichts miteinander zu tun. Abgesehen davon ist heute Riechpodcast – von Stinkenase über Bokashi-Kompost bis Verbrennungstoilette. Überraschend: Neben Fäkalien geht es auch um Wein – von österreichischem Kabinett über Unterschiede zwischen deutschen und französischen Pinot Noirs bis hin zum korrekten Probeschluck. Lang und breit (vor allem Letzteres) wird dann auch ein oft totgeschwiegener Weintrinker-Schmerzpunkt seziert: wann, wie und warum man eine Flasche im Restaurant zurückgehen lassen kann, soll, muss. Curly lässt sich nicht entmutigen und stellt die Fragen, die euch brennend interessieren. Ach, und ganz nebenbei wird ein internationaler Podcast-Beef angezettelt. Go for it, boys! Folgt Schelli auf Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/derschellhorn/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bar_freundschaft/ Folgt Terroir und Adiletten auf Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/terroirundadiletten/ Folgt Willi auf Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/willi_drinks Folgt Curly auf Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thelifeofcurly Produzent: pleasure* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pleasure_berlin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pleasure_berlin Website: https://www.pleasure-berlin.com/ Magazin: https://www.thisispleasure.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pleasureberlin

Sandro Moselle shares his love of Chardonnay and Pinot Noir grown in high density vineyards, in the Mornington Peninsula with Sam Isherwood and Jill Upton. @elantovineyard@thewineshowaustralia

Il Grand Cru caldo.Siamo a Bouzy. Sole, tanto sole.Qui il Pinot Noir si prende la scena, sotto un'esposizione a pieno sud che scalda le vigne e imprime ricchezza, colore e calore ai vini.Bouzy è uno dei nomi più conosciuti della Montagne de Reims.Un villaggio celebre per i suoi Coteaux Rouge, i suoi rosé di assemblaggio e per uno stile sempre generoso, diretto, avvolgente.Ma Bouzy è anche una questione di identità: storie di vigneron, cru storici e un legame fortissimo con la materia.Ecco una nuova tappa di Viaggio nei Grand Cru di Champagne, il format narrativo di Manlio Giustiniani e Luca Santoro, per Champagne Talk, il podcast ufficiale di Champagne Society.In questo episodio esploriamo:Il profilo del Pinot Noir di BouzyLe caratteristiche del terroir e delle parcelle più famoseIl ruolo di Bouzy nella storia della Champagne

When you make high end Pinot Noir and Chardonnay in California, is must be from the Russian River area. Mark McWilliams Arista label make this top quality wine from vineyards that were once owned by his parents. Today Mark operates the winery from a space just off the square in Healdsburg. The wine business never [...]

Send us a textLooking for a wine that punches well above its price tag? The Compass Bridge Sonoma Pinot Noir from Trader Joe's might be your new favorite affordable discovery.This limited-edition $9.99 Pinot Noir comes from the powerhouse Delicato Family Vineyards, which recently acquired Coppola's Sonoma operations. Between these two wine giants, they've mastered the art of creating value-priced wines that deliver genuine quality without the premium price tag.What impressed me most about this Compass Bridge Pinot Noir is how it maintains authentic varietal character. At 14.5% alcohol, it could easily become overwhelming, yet it remains beautifully balanced with a medium-to-light body that Pinot lovers will appreciate. The flavor profile offers black cherry, raspberry, subtle herbs, and even hints of Dr. Pepper complexity, all with that characteristic Pinot Noir "funk" that might seem strange at first but quickly becomes addictive.While not as complex as premium Sonoma Pinots costing three or four times as much, this wine delivers surprising length, with flavors that linger pleasantly on the palate. It's part of a limited Trader Joe's collection that includes a $7.99 Chardonnay and $9.99 Cabernet Sauvignon, all from Sonoma County. If you enjoy discovering hidden gems and wines that overdeliver for their price, grab a bottle (or several) while you can. As with many Trader Joe's special wine finds, once this limited edition sells out, it's gone for good. Uncork a bottle tonight and experience how satisfying affordable wine can truly be!Check us out at www.cheapwinefinder.comor email us at podcast@cheapwinefinder.com

In this episode of Five Questions on the Vint Wine Podcast, we sit down with Marcel Giesen and Sherwyn Veldhuizen, the visionary winegrowers behind Bell Hill Vineyard in North Canterbury, New Zealand. From the limestone-rich soils in the Weka Pass, the duo crafts small-lot, high-density Pinot Noir and Chardonnay inspired by the farming traditions of Burgundy.We explore what makes Bell Hill so distinctive, from its limestone soils to their philosophy of “growing” wine rather than making it. Marcel and Sherwyn share which vintages have defined their journey, including their first Chardonnay in 2002 and a standout single-parcel expression from 2016. They also reflect on the influence of Champagne and Burgundy, their evolving approach to biodiversity and sustainability, and what lies ahead for the estate, including a sparkling wine project and long-term land stewardship goals.

Send us a textDiscovering exceptional value in the wine world feels increasingly rare, but Compass Bridge Sonoma County Chardonnay 2023 proves quality affordable wine still exists. At just $8.99 from Trader Joe's, this newcomer delivers surprising complexity and balance that would satisfy even at twice the price.Behind this bottle stands an intriguing partnership. Compass Bridge comes from Manteca, California and Geyserville - connecting Delicato Family Wines (celebrating their centennial year) and Francis Ford Coppola Winery (acquired by Delicato in 2021). These established producers combine their expertise in creating accessible yet quality-focused wines, resulting in something special for budget-conscious wine lovers.Upon tasting, the wine reveals a harmonious "stew of flavors" - creamy vanilla notes balanced perfectly with refreshing acidity. Stone fruit, dried pineapple, pear, and green apple flavors integrate seamlessly rather than competing for attention. The mouthfeel suggests both partial barrel aging and malolactic fermentation, creating that ideal tension between richness and brightness that makes Chardonnay so beloved. Most impressively, it offers surprising length and complexity on the palate while remaining approachable for casual wine drinkers.Compass Bridge emerges during challenging times for the wine industry, with major producers scaling back operations across California. Yet this bottle demonstrates that strategic partnerships can still deliver exceptional value. Whether you're hosting dinner guests or simply enjoying a weeknight glass, this Chardonnay punches well above its modest price point. The line also includes Cabernet Sauvignon and Pinot Noir varieties worth exploring. If you've been searching for excellent affordable wines, your compass has found true north.Follow our podcast for more hidden wine gems that keep pleasure affordable without sacrificing quality. Your perfect bottle awaits!Check us out at www.cheapwinefinder.comor email us at podcast@cheapwinefinder.com

I veckans avsnitt avhandlar vi frågor och svar och det blir såväl lättsamma som tyngre frågor som behandlas. Allt ifrån status och stilmarkörer 2025 som vilka badbyxor som gäller på Österlen respektive St Tropez. Vi tittar även närmare på Bollingers nya PNTX20 baserad på uteslutande druvan Pinot Noir. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this unique episode, Kerith Overstreet of Bruliam Wines in Sonoma returns to give us an update (she was on Ep 269 in 2019). Kerith/Bruliam is a boutique producer of vineyard-designated wines, mainly of Pinot Noir and she gives us a full education on the differences between some of the main Pinot regions of California.     The cool thing about this show? The last third of the podcast is a business discussion about something she and I are always discussing – how to get our kids' generation – Gen Z – to appreciate wine. Kerith's daughter Amelia (the AM in BruliAM), a 21-year-old Gen Z'er, joins to help us analyze the situation and give some advice (she's a smart cookie and has some great insight!). For anyone who has young people in their lives and is wondering how to turn them on to wine, this should be an interesting perspective.   Photo: Kerith Overstreet in her vineyard. Courtesy of Bruliam Wines   Full show notes and all back episodes are on Patreon. Become a member today!   ______________________________________________________________________ www.patreon.com/winefornormalpeople _______________________________________________________________   Check out my exclusive sponsor, Wine Access.  They have an amazing selection -- once you get hooked on their wines, they will be your go-to! Make sure you join the Wine Access-Wine For Normal People wine club for wines I select delivered to you four times a year!    To register for an AWESOME, LIVE WFNP class with Elizabeth or get a class gift certificate for the wine lover in your life go to: www.winefornormalpeople.com/classes    

What wines do you bring on vacation? Or if you could bring a bottle of wine, what would it be? In this episode, Ray and Dave share what wines they would bring and why.N.V. Santa Tresa Il Frappato Brut Vino Spumante.2022 Lingua Franca Estate Chardonnay.2018 Albert Boxler Riesling.2022 Domaine Bart Marsannay "Au Champ Salomon" Pinot Noir.

The SHOW   Dan Wright – Winemaker/Unsworth Vineyards   The Unsworth winery continues to grow.   A new grand new tasting room, barrel and tank rooms & new vineyards. For a  winery in the Cowichan Valley, it’s astonishing. They’ve created an outstanding new vineyard in north Duncan. World class clones of Chardonnay and Pinot Noir....

Wir trinken 2021 Bulles 36 Mois brut zéro (Gamay, Pinot Noir), 2023er Tressallier, 2022er Les Rocs Rouge (Gamay), alle aus der Loire Vulcanique, und reden unter anderem über die Weinberge im Lioretal (Karte), Navi New Indian (Berlin, encore), Ei-12437-B (Berlin), It-It (Köln). Details und eine Bezugsquelle gibt's bei Christoph, und die nächste Live-Sendung  gibt's am […]

Wir trinken 2021 Bulles 36 Mois brut zéro (Gamay, Pinot Noir), 2023er Tressallier, 2022er Les Rocs Rouge (Gamay), alle aus der Loire Vulcanique, und reden unter anderem über die Weinberge im Lioretal (Karte), Navi New Indian (Berlin, encore), Ei-12437-B (Berlin), It-It (Köln). Details und eine Bezugsquelle gibt's bei Christoph, und die nächste Live-Sendung  gibt's am […]

In this episode of Vineyard Underground, we welcome Dr. Belinda Kemp, viticulture and enology researcher at NIAB in East Malling, England, to explore the evolving wine industry in the UK. With a background in theatrical arts and a PhD in Pinot Noir, Dr. Kemp brings a dynamic perspective to the scientific and practical aspects of cool climate viticulture. The conversation covers England's emerging reputation for sparkling wine, the impact of climate variability on grape production, and the country's increasing focus on sustainability and innovation. Dr. Kemp discusses the shift from traditional varieties like Chardonnay and Pinot Noir toward disease-resistant hybrid grapes, including the introduction of PiWi varieties. She shares the challenges of managing common diseases like downy and powdery mildew and emerging threats like black rot. Listeners also get a glimpse into the latest research projects at NIAB, including the effects of pruning methods on yield, the role of calcium in sparkling wine stability, and the use of companion plants to improve vineyard biodiversity. Dr. Kemp explains how NIAB integrates technology and sustainability — from acoustic soil monitoring to underground rhizolabs — to support growers and improve wine quality. Whether you grow grapes in England or a similar cool, wet climate like the eastern U.S. or Canada, this episode offers applicable knowledge for tackling vineyard challenges and embracing innovation. In this episode, you will hear: England's wine industry is expanding rapidly, with a strong focus on sparkling wines New disease-resistant grape varieties are being trialed to meet climate and production demands Variability in spring weather creates challenges for cover crops, planting, and pest pressure Calcium stability is becoming an issue in sparkling wine production — NIAB is studying causes and solutions Companion planting and acoustic soil monitoring are part of a systems approach to regenerative viticulture Follow and Review: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to follow the podcast and leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps us reach more listeners.

This is part two of our chat from earlier this week. If you thought Monday was wild, wait 'til we get into throuples, pegging, and a few spicy surprises we definitely didn't see coming… we're asking some big, uncomfortable, and hilarious questions!Would you ever be in a throuple? What if your man wanted to be pegged? And wait — what the hell is a teledildonic? From real-life stories to awkward hypotheticals, the Wine Chats women unpack modern relationship dynamics with their signature wine-in-hand honesty.Plus, we explore the difference between throuples and polygamy, consider our own sexual boundaries, and uncover some of the wildest tech-led sex trends around!Grab your wine and prepare to laugh, cringe, and maybe learn something you didn't want to know.✨ Sponsored by Budburst Wine Collective - thanks for fuelling our bold conversations with your delicious Pinot Noir!-----Connect with Us:Follow us on Instagram: @WineChatsPodcastSend us your period horror stories at winechatspodcast@gmail.comSubscribe & Review Wine Chats on Apple Podcasts: Click hereWatch & Subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCMIlV9pP_mGVZ_YKgjYtcXwJoin the fun on TikTok: tiktok.com/@winechatspodcastGot thoughts? Let's chat on Instagram: instagram.com/winechatspodcastCheck out our website for all things Wine Chats: winechatspodcast.comThanks for listening and hanging out with us - we love you!Intro MusicOrchestral Funky Hip-Hop Beat by Glitch | https://soundcloud.com/glitchMusic promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.comCreative Commons / Attribution 3.0 Unported License (CC BY 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US#unusualrelationships #lavendermarriage #openmarriage #gaystraightcouple #winechatspodcast #relationshipchat #funnywomen #nontraditionalmarriage #podcastrecommendation #throuples #pegging #teledildonics #sexchat #openrelationships #funnywomen #winechatspodcast #australianpodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this episode of Beats, Vines & Life, host MJ Towler sits down with Jay Boberg—visionary music entrepreneur and co-founder of Nicolas J Winery—for a wide-ranging, personal conversation that bridges the worlds of music, wine, and following your passions. From co-founding the legendary IRS Records at just 21, to working with icons like R.E.M., the Go-Go's, and the Police, Jay shares stories of the early days of MTV, concert promotion at UCLA, and his unique insider perspective on how great bands (and wines) are discovered.Jay opens up about his California roots, his lifelong love affair with wine, and the surprising parallels between crafting albums and crafting Pinot Noir in Oregon's Willamette Valley. Whether he's talking about meeting musical legends like Bob Marley or sharing wine with renowned Burgundian winemaker Jean Nicolas Méo, Jay's path is a testament to living a full life driven by curiosity and creativity. Tune in for a fascinating journey through music history, wine country, and what it means to truly follow your avocations—wherever they might lead.For more information about Nicolas-Jay Winery click the link!Follow Nicolas-Jay on IG!____________________________________________________________Until next time, cheers to the mavericks, philosophers, deep thinkers, and wine drinkers! Subscribe and give Beats Vines and Life a five-star review on whichever platform you listen to.For insider info from MJ and exclusive content from the show, sign up at blackwineguy.comFollow MJ @blackwineguyFollow Beats Vines and Life @beatsvinesandlifeThank you to our sponsor, The Conaway Fund. The Conaway Fund is a philanthropic initiative under The Prosperity Foundation that allows donors to contribute to a fund that supports various causes such as scholarships, nonprofit organizations, schools, and families facing financial challenges. Donors can recommend where the funds should be directed, providing a flexible way to make a positive impact in communities. The Conaway Fund embodies the spirit of giving and community support, aiming to create a lasting impact through strategic philanthropy.For more information, go to The Conaway Fund and please donate!____________________________________________________________Until next time, cheers to the mavericks, philosophers, deep thinkers, and wine drinkers! Subscribe and give Beats Vines and Life a five-star review on whichever platform you listen to.For insider info from MJ and exclusive content from the show, sign up at blackwineguy.comFollow MJ @blackwineguyFollow Beats Vines and Life @beatsvinesandlife Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  Podcast Title: Wine Road - Episode 231 Hosts: Marci Gordon & Beth Costa Guest: Michael Haney, Executive Director of Sonoma County Vintners   Highlights: Introduction & Sponsors: The podcast is supported by Ron Rubin and River Road Family Vineyards and Winery, known for their Chardonnay and Pinot Noir. Guest Spotlight: Michael Haney discusses his role and the vibrant wine culture in Sonoma County. Taste of Sonoma Event: A premier wine event held at Kendall Jackson Wine Estates and Gardens. Features over 100 wineries, world-class food, and a relaxed, joyful atmosphere. Next year's event is scheduled for June 20-21, 2026. Other Wine Events: Uncorked Happy Hour: Monthly tastings at Region in Sebastopol, featuring local wines and free entry. Pour and Explore Program: Themed wine events showcasing 40-50 wineries at various Sonoma County venues. Upcoming focus: Zinfandel. Winemaker Wednesday: Bi-weekly events at The Matheson in Healdsburg, including wine tastings and a live radio show. Unique Experiences: Highlights include garden tours, themed lounges, and culinary delights like Chef Tracy's paella and Gloria Ferrer's bubble lounge. Community & Accessibility: Events cater to locals and visitors, offering opportunities to explore Sonoma's wine culture in beautiful settings. The episode celebrates Sonoma County's wine scene, emphasizing its events, community, and the joy of wine exploration.  

Darryl Miller from Dehlinger Winery is back on California Wine Country today with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. He has been on the show before, the last time was this episode, last summer. This is the 50th anniversary of Dehlinger Winery. Darryl has known the family for forty years. Tom Dehlinger was a biochemist and got the wine bug. He studied wine at Davis and worked with some local wineries. Then, bought a property on the corner of Vine Hill Road and Guerneville Road in 1972. He and his brother built an octagonal house in the middle of the property which is iconic. They crushed their first grapes in 1975. Dan Berger started writing about wine at that time and tasted his first Dehlinger wines in 1979. They were among the first to plant grapes in the area which would later become Pinot Noir and Chardoheaven. The other local pioneers were the Rocchioli and Martinelli vineyards, not far from there. The vineyard is a rolling hill property with two types of soil, Altamont, a red iron based clay, and Goldridge, a gray sandy loam. The sections of the vineyard with different soils produce different results in the wine. This is why they produce some wines from each section and soil type. Bahl Fratty Riesling The 40th Winesong Weekend Celebration is Sept. 5-6, 2025. Click the Winesong 40th logo for details. Dan Berger has brought a bottle of his Bahl Fratty Riesling It is a 2023 that just got a Gold Medal at the American Fine Wine Competition in Miami. The grapes are from Cole Ranch in Mendocino County, near Booneville. Bahl Fratty means Good Drink in Boontling, the local lingo. Dan's goal was to make the wine as dry as possible. The 2022 was also a gold medal winner. Darryl went to college in Humbolt State then moved to Seattle and worked as a waiter. He met someone who suggested he could sell wine and he did end up selling a lot of wine. The business took him to San Francisco, Hawaii and Tahoe. Eventually he ended up in Sonoma County, the same year as Dan, in 1981. He started his own company as a broker and sold some very famous wines like Taft Street, Davis Bynum and Iron Horse. Then in 1995 he sold his company to the Henry Wine Group and continued to work with them. Darryl is one of the judges at Dan Berger's annual wine competition. There are different ways to know good wine but what's really important is what you like. -Darryl Miller California Wine Country is brought to you by Rodney Strong Vineyards and Davis Bynum Wines. Dehlinger makes about 8,000 cases of wine per year, but they grow enough grapes for 40,000. Many famous wineries get grapes from them, whose names are not to be made public. The rest of the show is the tasting of the wines Darryl has brought. First  is the 2021 Goldridge Pinot Noir. Round, rich and juicy, Dan says silky with a crisp finish. The next one is also a Pinot Noir, from the Altamont soil section, that has more structure because it also gets some whole cluster fermentation. Darryl calls the Altamont tighter, stronger with more minerality. Visit the website for details.

You know Pinot Noir. But do you know Spätburgunder? For years, wine insiders have known that German Pinot Noir offers Burgundian-level quality at a fraction of the price. But in this episode we're blowing this industry secret wide open courtesy of Zack Musick (German Wine Collection) who joins us for a fresh take on one of the world's most beloved grapes. From unexpected flavor profiles (think bone broth, mushrooms, and spice) to why an eagle on the label is a true marker for quality, we're digging into how Pinot Noir expresses itself in Germany outside of its classic regions and why it's often considered the ultimate “terroir grape,” capable of transparently reflecting the soil, climate, and place it's grown. Plus, we've got all your food pairings ranging from classic duck to Philly cheesesteaks and Amanda's unexpected (but highly effective) Costco salad and chicken schnitzel hack.

In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, we're joined by Charlotte Read, General Manager of Brand at New Zealand Winegrowers. Charlotte shares her unique journey from growing up on a vineyard in the 1970s to leading global branding efforts for one of the world's most exciting wine-producing countries. We explore New Zealand's enduring success with Sauvignon Blanc, the rise of Pinot Noir and Syrah, and how the country is advancing sustainability, innovation, and regional storytelling.Charlotte offers expert insight into:The evolution of the New Zealand wine industry since the 1970sMarlborough Sauvignon Blanc and its growing stylistic diversityWhy New Zealand Pinot Noir is gaining global prestigeTrends in low- and no-alcohol wines and vineyard-driven innovationSustainability leadership and the 30-year legacy of SWNZExpanding into new markets including China, South Korea, and IndiaHow New Zealand is adapting to Gen Z preferences and digital storytellingPlus, Charlotte shares highlights from the recent Pinot Noir conference and explains the national brand platform “Altogether Unique,” built on purity, innovation, and care.

Despite being the son of a pharmacist turned wine professional, I did not know the purpose of an Entheogen. Ross Halleck set me straight,so much so, that after defining an entheogen, the value of the consumption of wine became clearer. Ross Halleck doesn't just make wine—he might just ask you to close your eyes and seek the divine within a single glass. In this episode of Wine Talks, you'll be swept past the typical vineyard tales and deep into the spiritual and mystical roots of wine itself. You'll learn how Ross stumbled into the wine trade not through family legacy or grand ambition, but with the curiosity of a seeker and a penchant for unearthing life's mysteries. Paul and Ross unravel why, for some, wine is more than a social lubricant or status symbol; it's an “entheogen”—a conduit to something sacred. Discover how the trappings of wine culture, from magazine scores to over-intellectualization, can miss the magic entirely, and why Ross is on a mission to return wine to its ancient role: bringing people together, not driving them apart. You'll step inside his West Sebastopol vineyard and hear why he believes winning top awards means little if you can't connect with people's hearts. The conversation flows from digital reviews and the democratization of taste, to the pitfalls of marketing wine as pure commerce, to modern-day plant medicine ceremonies designed to foster self-discovery, belonging, and reverence. As the layers peel back, you'll come away with a fresh perspective on wine—not just as a beverage, but as a timeless link to the sacred, the mysterious, and the collective human story. And if you've ever wondered why a certain glass makes you feel something inexplicable, or why wine alone among drinks is revered across cultures and epochs, this episode offers more than an explanation—it offers an invitation to experience the “vine intervention” for yourself. Halleck Vineyard Website: halleckvineyard.com (Ross Halleck's winery, mentioned as halleckvineyard.com under events for wine ceremonies.) Starbucks Website: starbucks.com Hewlett-Packard (HP) Website: hp.com Apple Website: apple.com Sun Microsystems (company no longer independent; acquired, but for historical reference): Website: oracle.com (redirects to Oracle) Wine Spectator Website: winespectator.com Robert Parker/Wine Advocate Website: robertparker.com Wine of the Month Club Website: wineofthemonthclub.com Michelin (Michelin Guide for restaurants) Website: guide.michelin.com Yelp Website: yelp.com Foursquare Website: foursquare.com Kosta Brown  Website: kostabrowne.com Kendall-Jackson Website: kj.com Rombauer Vineyards Website: rombauer.com Cheval Blanc Website: chateau-cheval-blanc.com #wine #winetalks #paulkalemkiarian #rosshalleck #halleckvineyard #winepodcast #wineindustry #pinotnoir #sonomacounty #wineandspirit #wineculture #enthiogen #wineexperience #winelover #winecommunity #wineclub #winemarketing #winepassion #spiritualwine #wineceremony        

Send us a textDiscovering exceptional wine values is always exciting, especially when they come from unexpected places. The Sunshine Mountain Vineyard Pinot Noir 2023 from the Columbia Valley of Oregon represents exactly this kind of delightful surprise - a $14.99 Trader Joe's exclusive that punches well above its weight class.What makes this Pinot truly special is its origin story. Unlike the typical Oregon Pinot Noir from Willamette Valley, this single-vineyard wine hails from about 60 miles east of Portland where the Columbia Valley extends into Oregon. This distinctive microclimate boasts volcanic soils and approximately 300 days of sunshine annually - dramatically different conditions than you'd expect in typically rainy western Oregon. These unique growing conditions contribute to a Pinot Noir with remarkable character and complexity.The wine itself reveals classic translucent garnet coloration and that wonderfully funky, complex nose that Pinot enthusiasts crave. Unlike most value-priced Pinot Noir that aims for immediate approachability, Sunshine Mountain presents as more individual and complex. It starts somewhat tight, with sharp edges and spicy notes that might challenge your palate initially. But patience is rewarded - give it time to breathe, swirl your glass, and watch as beautiful fruit flavors emerge to balance those initial sharp notes. This evolution in the glass, typically found only in more expensive bottles, transforms it into something truly special.Produced by Precept Wine Company (through their Northwest Collective subsidiary), the largest independent wine producer in the Northwest, this bottle delivers what Trader Joe's suggests would normally compete with wines in the $20-30 range. Whether you're a casual wine drinker or a dedicated Pinot enthusiast, this bottle offers an opportunity to experience a distinctive expression of Oregon terroir at a fraction of the expected price. Give it the time it deserves to open up, and you'll discover why single-vineyard Pinot Noir from unique growing regions creates such passionate devotees.Check us out at www.cheapwinefinder.comor email us at podcast@cheapwinefinder.com

In this episode of 5 Questions, we sit down with Charlotte Read, GM of Brand at New Zealand Winegrowers, the national organization representing more than 1,400 growers and wineries across the country.Charlotte shares what's exciting her most in wine right now (spoiler: Pinot Noir by the fire), highlights underrated New Zealand wine regions like Nelson, Waiheke Island, and Gisborne, and discusses how packaging innovation could reshape the future of wine consumption. We also dive into her most memorable wine experiences from traveling across the globe, from India to Thailand—always through the lens of New Zealand's premium winemaking identity.Whether you're a casual enthusiast or seasoned collector, this quick conversation offers a glimpse into the evolving story of New Zealand wine on the world stage.Listen in to discover:Charlotte's current go-to wine and perfect pairingLesser-known New Zealand wine regions to exploreHow changing lifestyles are pushing wine packaging innovationWhy New Zealand wine succeeds globally—and what's nextA story from the vineyards of India, China, and beyond

Matt Duffy from Vaughn Duffy Wines joins Steve Jaxon, Dan Berger and Daedalus Howell on California Wine Country today. Daedalus Howell is also in. He is doing an hour every weekday from 2 to 3 PM on Wine Country Radio. Vaughn Duffy specializes in Pinot Noir. They make 8 or 10 Pinot Noir wines from Russian River Valley and Petaluma Gap. Their tasting room is on Sonoma Highway next to Palooza Restaurant. Today he has brought two bottles of Pinot Noir. The San Giacomo vineyard and Uberroth vineyard, as well as a barrel sample of another Pinot Noir that is in production. Petaluma Gap In August there will be a tasting event that culminates on August 10 at a new venue in Santa Rosa called The Backdrop. There will be over 100 Petaluma Gap wines to taste. Petaluma Gap is one of the greatest wine growing regions that gets its cool climate from the wind. This keeps the acidity levels high. As the climate gets warmer, regions like Petaluma Gap will enjoy favorable conditions. The wind comes up every evening at about 5:00 and it is unstoppable. The region is ideal for Pinot Noir but they grow Grenache, Syrah and Blau Frankish. Great Pinot Noir will not be dark red, and Dan noticed that about these wines. California Wine Country is brought to you by Rodney Strong Vineyards and Davis Bynum Wines. Pinot Noir lovers have been drinking Petaluma Gap wines since even before the AVA of Petaluma Gap was establihed in 2017. Before that, it was all Sonoma Coast AVA. But Sonoma Coast is a gigantic area and it made sense to carve out the Petaluma Gap due to its unique conditions and results. The Wind to Wine Festival is coming on August 8, 9 & 10 with exclusive vineyard walks, winery tours and the great tasting on August 10 with super-chef Charlie Palmer. Matt Duffy and his wife Sarah Vaughn are about to make their sixteenth consecutive bottling. His first year working was 2007. After being a harvest worker and learning winemaking from the process of doing it. He and his wife bought some grapes in 2009 and started making wine, while he was still working his day job managing the crush facility. They have a tasting room in Kenwood in the Sonoma Valley. "The wine business is a long game. It takes a year or two to get your line into the bottle to sell it... You've got to stick it out... Keep going, keep growing... look for better vineyards every year."

Loved my interview with Etude Senior Winemaker & General Manager Jon Priest. Etude is one of the preeminent Pinot Noir producers in California. This was such a fun Pinot masterclass with a winemaker who has been working with this "very, very needy" grape for over 25 years.

The Dutch set up a supply colony for the sailors of the Dutch East India Company. This was in the mid-1600's, and they soon started producing wine. Some of the areas have very warm climates, similar to Sydney or Perth Australia, but can also cool significantly due to elevation or ocean breezes. South Africa also has a unique feature known as the “Cape Doctor”, which is a gale-force summer south-easter wind that reduces humidity, mildew, and other fungal diseases. However, it can also damage the vines.The wine areas are divided into Regions, then split into Districts, and further into Wards. Specific site location has been less important in labeling, and the emphasis has been on variety (called cultivar). Chenin Blanc is the most planted wine grape accounting for about 18% of all plantings. Cabernet Sauvignon and Syrah (called Shiraz in South Africa) are both around 10%. South Africa has a unique red wine called Pinotage (cross between Pinot Noir and Cinsaut). It has remained around 7% of plantings.“The Oxford Companion to Wine” calls Chenin Blanc one of the most versatile wine grape varieties. It can produce wines that are sweet, dry, crisp, heavier oaked wines, and fortified wines. It is a half-sibling to both Verdelho and Sauvignon Blanc. Like these grapes, it has good acidity. It is known for its capability to produce high vineyard yields, which can result in a less desirable wine. Tonight, we are enjoying two white wines including:2023 Lubanzi Wines Chenin Blanc. This wine was purchased at Wall to Wall Wines for $16.00. The bottle says it is a certified climate neutral wine and “1% for the planet”, and “Fair For Life Fair Trade Certified” means workers have good and fair working conditions. Vintage Wine Shop says Aromas of wild honey and apple pie. Can sip by itself or enjoy with spicy foods. Comes from the Swartland region. It has 12.5% alcohol. 2021 Domaine Lafage Centenaire. I purchased online for around $16.00. Blend of 60% White Grenache (Grenache Blanc), 20% Grey Grenache (Grenache Gris), and 20% Roussanne. Cuvee Centenaire Cotes Catalanes, Indication Geographique Protegee. Takes its name from 100-year-old vines of Grenache Blanc on the Lafage farms only a few kilometers from the Mediterranean on gravelly clay soils. The grapes are harvested in two passes through the vineyard. The first time through, grapes are picked as they first reach ripeness with high acidity. The second pass harvests grapes that are fully ripe and have more rich fruit flavors. The wine is then aged in a combination of tank and new French oak barrels. It has 13.0% alcohol.Next week we will stay in South Africa and taste a Shiraz and a red blend.

Located on the true Sonoma Coast, Ross Cobb of Cobb Wines tackles the intricate challenges of vineyard management and unpredictable weather. Ross farms his family's Coastland Vineyard, planted to Pinot Noir, one of the oldest plantings of Pinot in Sonoma County.  Our discussion ran the gamut between farming and Ross' experiments in the cellar.  Ross had thoughtful insights regarding with whole cluster fermentation and working with CO2 in finishing wines. Throughout this exploration, Ross highlights the balance between tradition and innovation in creating elegant wines. Winemaking Class Offers and Show Notes for all episodes at https://www.insidewinemaking.com/ Resources from this Episode Cobb Wines https://cobbwines.com/  This episode is sponsored by Innovint. Wineries of all sizes rely on InnoVint's winery operating system to optimize vineyard tracking, manage wine production processes, automate compliance reporting, track costs seamlessly, and make data-driven decisions. The best part? The software is intuitive, easy to use, and mobile and offline friendly! And with the highest-rated customer service in the industry, you're guaranteed to have a smooth transition, even right before harvest. Learn more: https://www.innovint.us/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=insidewinemaking  Get a demo of the product: https://www.innovint.us/request-a-demo/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=insidewinemaking  Join our free winemaking community, The Punchdown: https://www.innovint.us/join-the-punchdown/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=insidewinemaking  Follow and Review: We'd love for you to follow us if you haven't yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We'd love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com. Let them know we sent you.

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It’s Wine Wednesday on The Wake Up Call with Scotch Tank and Mandy on Froggy 99.9! This week, we’re joined by Hailey Sundet from Republic National Distributing to sip and chat about Duck Pond Pinot Noir, a smooth and flavorful red wine straight from Oregon’s renowned Willamette Valley. Proudly sponsored by Bottle Barn Liquors, with three convenient Fargo locations, Wine Wednesday is your midweek moment to unwind and discover new favorites. Whether you're a wine newbie or a seasoned sipper, tune in for tasting notes, food pairings, and fun wine facts that make your Wednesday a little more wonderful.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fancy a trip to the West Coast? For this week, we taste and review two different bottles of Bull Run American Whiskey with unique finishes and a surprise blind from our friend Shawn (Camas Whiskey Club). Since 2010, Bull Run has been sourcing and finishing some amazing whiskeys. While Bull Run is known to us for the whiskey they produce, they also dabble in rum, vodka, and other spirits. One of the bottles that we review is a 17 year old American Whiskey finished for two years in Pinot Noir casks and the other is a 15 year old American Whiskey finished in Sherry casks. Both of these barrels were selected by private pick groups. Which one was better? Well, you'll have to listen to find out. Spoiler alert, we definitely enjoyed both of the Bull Run bottles, but the blind really surprised the hell out of us. --------------------------SocialsIG: https://www.instagram.com/themashupkyFB: https://www.facebook.com/themashupkyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themashupkyPartnership(s)Visit Bourbonoutfitter.com and enter code THEMASHUP for a special discount or visit bourbonoutfitter.com/THEMASHUPVisit https://woodworkcollective.shop and enter code MASHUP for a 15% discount on your orderMusic: All the Fixings by Zachariah HickmanThank you so much for listening!

This show is brought to you in association with iDealwine. English county Essex is better known for its brash behaviour (and certain reality TV shows) than its beautiful wines. But is all that about to change?!For long, Essex was England's best kept wine secret. The grapes were sold off to producers from Kent to Cornwall, which meant their Essex origin sailed under the radar. But then came the investment - both from ambitious local families and then, in 2023, from the highly regarded US wine producer Jackson Family Wines (JFW). Nowadays, some postcodes in Essex have the highest concentration of individual vineyards anywhere in the UK. Vineyard prices are not far off those in Marlborough, New Zealand. Essex has gone from zero to wine hero in the blink of an eye, with classy still (rather than sparkling) wines the forté, particularly Chardonnay, Pinot Noir and Sauvignon Blanc.So could Essex end up challenging the likes of Sancerre and Burgundy?!We get the lowdown from Charlie Holland, who's heading up JFW's ambitious English wine project, plus 'Mr Essex viticulture' Duncan McNeill and Chris Wilson of acclaimed Cambridge urban winery Gutter&Stars. We also give our verdict on a (surprisingly wide) range of Essex wines, including JFW's debut release (Marbury Chardonnay). And yes, the words, 'new dimension' are uttered.Thanks for tuning in. We love to hear from you so please do get in touch! Send us a voice message via Speakpipe. Or you can find contact info, together with all details from this episode, including photos and wine recommendations, on our website: Show notes for Wine Blast S6 E22 - Essex: Class in a GlassInstagram: @susieandpeterSponsors: iDealwine

David Hejl from Domaine Della is our guest on California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. Blair Hardman is also in the studio today. The Domaine Della winery is named after David's mother, Della. David used to be the CEO and general manager for Kosta Browne. He worked for Kosta Browne winery after they were sold to new owners. He was entrusted with managing the staff through a transition to go from 10,000 cases per year to 30,000. Before that, David started in the 1980s living in Paris, France, working for Nabisco. He had great French wine at dinner every night. That was the exposure to wine that started his lifelong interest. California Wine Country is brought to you by Rodney Strong Vineyards and Davis Bynum Wines. They are tasting a Chardonnay that Dan Berger calls, “Chardonnay to make you wake up,” and, “incredible.” David gives credit to the vineyard, one of Sonoma County's finest. It's all about picking to get the perfect acidity. He also prefers not to use too much oak. That is how he gets the fruit to take the lead. Dan calls this wine perfectly balanced. It has the rich fruit that you want, but the acidity to make it pair well with food. It is a remarkable balance between big and delicate. And of course, it should get better in about three years. David says, "We'll be in harvest before you know it!" Then they open a Pinot Noir. He uses fruit from some of the same vineyards that supplied Kosta Browne. The owners and growers are longtime friends. They are 85% direct to consumer. The rest sells through charity events around the country. Dan says the Pinot Noir is excellent, and has all the best characteristics of Russian River Pinot Noir. Elegant, raspberry aromas, a little bit of cherry, and a spice component. David explains that there are 6 different clones, in two different vineyards.

I forgot her exuberance, energy, and love of wine and music. I'm so glad I had the chance to remember. The wine world needs more Stephanie Morton-Smalls; she helps us keep our eye on the ball.  If you've ever wondered why some wines taste better when paired with heartfelt stories or Adele ballads, “Wine Talks” with Stephanie Morton Small and Paul Kalemkiarian has your answer (and maybe your calling as an emotional sommelier). Stephanie, a four-time founder and true wine globe-trotter, dives headfirst into the intoxicating marriage of wine, song, and feeling. She shares how her new venture, Wine Whisper and Song, combines storytelling, original music, and wine in a way that makes your palate and your soul say “cheers.” Spoiler: This isn't your typical stuffy Napa tasting—think less “essence of leather-bound books” and more “let the wine remind you of your first crush or last breakup.” Paul and Stephanie uncork witty wisdom about letting wine seduce you emotionally before you bone up on tannin types or the history of Madame Clicquot. It turns out that the most memorable wines are the ones that make you feel—and maybe cry (then laugh) at the table.

Elle is joined by Stephanie Morton-Small, creator of Wine Whisper and Song to talk about how she got into wine, and what led her to create unique programs which blend storytelling, music and wine! They crack into a glass of Pinot Noir by the one, the only Dolly Parton! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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New Zealand has taken home the Gold at the Oscars for wines. Craggy Range's Martinborough Pinot Noir took home Best in Show at this year's Decanter World Wine Awards. This makes it in the 0.3% of all wines in the world. Chief Winemaker at Craggy Range Ben Tombs told Mike Hosking they knew there was something pretty special coming out of the 2024 vintage. He says it shows the kind of provenance unique to Martinborough, and winning the award is an incredibly achievement. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Beats Vines & Life, host MJ Towler sits down with Alex Kanzler and Zach Stickler, the dynamic duo behind Kanzler Vineyards in the Sebastopol Hills of Sonoma County. Their story is one of serendipity, hard work, and a deep connection to both land and family—think accidental farmers turned boutique winemakers, whose grapes have made their way into cult Pinot Noirs and acclaimed bottles from top California producers.We journey from the wild days of pulling up old apple orchards and setting them ablaze to crafting expressive, balanced Pinots and Chardonnays with a nod to tradition and a spark of innovation. Along the way, Alex and Zach open up about family roots, their paths from restaurants, real estate, and snowboarding—yes, you read that right—to building a close-knit, collaborative team at Kanzler. They share insights on winegrowing as a skill trade, the changing scene in Sonoma, the tightrope of navigating vintage variation, and the passion that goes into every bottle.This episode is a celebration of community, legacy, hard-earned expertise, and the pure joy of sharing a bottle—whether it's from your own vineyard, your neighbor's, or popped open at a lively family garden party. So pour yourself a glass, get ready to hear what goes into great Sonoma wine, and join us for a heartfelt, in-depth conversation with the minds behind Kanzler Vineyards. Cheers!For more information about Kanzler Vineyards click the link!!Follow Kanzler Vineyards on IG!Follow Alex on IG!____________________________________________________________Until next time, cheers to the mavericks, philosophers, deep thinkers, and wine drinkers! Subscribe and give Beats Vines and Life a five-star review on whichever platform you listen to.For insider info from MJ and exclusive content from the show, sign up at blackwineguy.comFollow MJ @blackwineguyFollow Beats Vines and Life @beatsvinesandlifeThank you to our sponsor, The Best Shake Ever. Fuel Your Body, Elevate Your Life with Shakeology! Looking for a delicious, nutrient-packed shake that supports your health and wellness goals? Shakeology is your all-in-one superfood solution! Packed with premium proteins, fiber, probiotics, antioxidants, and essential vitamins.For more information, go to The Best Shake Ever____________________________________________________________Until next time, cheers to the mavericks, philosophers, deep thinkers, and wine drinkers! Subscribe and give Beats Vines and Life a five-star review on whichever platform you listen to.For insider info from MJ and exclusive content from the show, sign up at blackwineguy.comFollow MJ @blackwineguyFollow Beats Vines and Life @beatsvinesandlife Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey there, wine lovers!  Ever stared at a glass of wine and wondered what to say about it? Join in as we dive into the basics of wine tasting, where flavor exploration becomes a fun, stress-free experience. Whether you're nosing a Pinot Noir or pondering the playfulness of a wine at a picnic, we've got the tips to guide you, complete with a handy cheat—oops! I mean, help sheet to make sense of it all. Discover how three simple flavors can unfold into a plethora of tasting notes that even make a waiter raise an eyebrow. This episode is about embracing the joy of wine—a journey from the nose to the glass with a splash of humor and a lot of discovery. Grab your glass, bring out the binder, and start your flavorful adventure with us. Cheers to learning, laughter, and, of course, wine!

Join Wine Educator David Reuss, Adv. Somm as he interviews Chapel Down's winemaker, Josh Donaghay-Spire on all things sparkling.

The Master Sommelier is a commitment to hospitality. So it makes you wonder what a young girl, who admittedly called herself lazy, would take on such a commitment. As life would have it, the challenges became clear to Stefanie Hehn, and each ladder rung became the next challenge. And I get it. I love hospitality. Here is her story on getting to the utmost revered  degree in the subject.   Stefanie Hehn—master sommelier extraordinaire from Hamburg's fabulous Fontenay Hotel—brings a whole philosophy to wine service that goes well beyond being just an order-taker. She tells her team their mission is to turn each guest into the superhero of their own wine story. That means memorable moments, not just pouring what's popular. From their conversation, we learn that German wine trends can be as surprising as a plot twist in a telenovela. Riesling's always beloved, but lately German Pinot Noir (Spätburgunder, for the wine geeks) is stealing the spotlight, with guest explorations into lesser-known varietals like Silvaner for adventurous diners. Stefanie is a champion of mixing the classics with hidden gems—she curates the hotel's wine list with both her guests' favorites and her personal discoveries from around the world. And just so you know, being a master sommelier isn't all swirling glasses and elegant pours—it takes a mountain of study, relentless passion, and sometimes the bravery to leave a steady job to pursue that next-level sommelier qualification. On the floor, Stefanie loves when guests give her some direction (“here's my budget, here's what we like!”), but she's also ready to whisk you away with a surprise pairing if you're up for the adventure. Whether people want to talk organic, biodynamic, orange wine, or good old Bordeaux, the most important ingredient is always to create a special, personal moment—that's what makes people come back (and maybe brag to their friends later). So, fancy a glass of Champagne, Pinot Noir, or perhaps a pink Pinot Grigio with a story? Stefanie's here to make sure you leave with a smile—and maybe a new favorite wine you've never heard of before. If you've got more specific questions about Stefanie's approach, the trends she's seeing, or German wine culture, just ask! #winepodcast #sommeliers #WineTalks #StefanieHehn #PaulKalemkiarian #Germanwine, #hospitality #MichelinStar #FontenayHotel #Riesling #PinotNoir #winepairing #winelover #wineeducation #wineindustry #finewine #winelist #organicwine #champagne #wineexperience #mastersommelier    

This episode features a conversation with Scott Neal, the winemaker and owner at Coeur de Terre Vineyard in the Willamette Valley of Oregon. Along with his wife Lisa, they crafted a humble 57 cases in their inaugural 2002 vintage but have grown to making over 6000 cases a year of Pinot Noir, Chardonnay, Pinot Gris, Riesling, Syrah, and Sparkling wines from grapes grown on their estate vineyard in the McMinnville AVA. We talk a lot about geology in this episode because his wine style is focused on reflecting the time and place from which the grapes were grown by employing a gentle hand and allowing the grapes to express in their voice. In the vineyard, organic growing practices have been followed from the beginning in 1998 with a concentration on regenerative farming. The fun connection we discovered was that we both have roots in Minnesota - Scott grew up on a southern Minnesota farm from which he learned a strong work ethic as well as gained respect for the land and for the whims of Mother Nature. Scott, Lisa and their daughters, Abigail and Tallulah, live on the estate vineyard along with their dog Cici. You can visit www.cdtvineyard.com to learn about and order their wines, and you can follow @cdtvineyard on Instagram. Thank you to the Willamette Valley Wineries Association for connecting us when Pinot in the City came to Atlanta!Recorded June 9, 2025

On today's show, when you think of Japanese cuisine, what beverage comes to mind? Maybe sake or a Japanese beer? What about an elegant Pinot Noir? Our guest today is out to prove that Pinot is the perfect complement to umami-rich Japanese dishes.Xander Soren has spent his career blending technical expertise with a passion for music and creative expression. He helped launch iTunes, the first iPods, and he co-created GarageBand, which opened the world of music production to creators everywhere, inspiring indie music makers around the world. Today Xander's focus is wine. His latest venture is Xander Soren Wines, a boutique wine label with wines that truly sing. Xander certainly brought the Apple design sensibility to his wines in the packaging and in the elegance of the Pinot Noir made with one of our favorite winemakers, Shalini Sekhar. We've never met a vintner or winemaker who counts top Japanese sushi masters as friends. Nor have I ever heard a reaction to a wine where a friend who I recently shared a bottle of Xander's Olivet Lane Pinot Noir from the Russian River Valley say it slides into sushi and takes the place of soy sauce. We'll explore Xander's decidedly different approach to wine, which includes his personally curated playlist to help you get in the groove to enjoy wine.

When you hear a New Zealand accent, what do you try and do? I try to figure is it Aussi or English? Maybe South African. Regardless of where you land with this interpretation, you always settle into a nice comfort zone with New Zealanders. There is a certain warmth and instant camaraderie.  Tiraki wines are new to the United States and it was an honor to sit with Josh and hear his plans. On today's episode of Wine Talks, I sat down with Josh Hammond of Teraki Wines, who's redefining what it means to build a family wine brand with global reach. We dove into the challenges of launching in the US market, how sustainable and organic farming are at the heart of New Zealand wine, and why authentic storytelling and quality are key to standing out in a crowded industry. If you're passionate about entrepreneurship and the future of wine, this is a conversation you don't want to miss. ✅ Ever wondered how a Kiwi winemaker broke into 32 countries—including China and the U.S.—in just 5 years? ✅ Paul Kalemkiarian sits down with Josh Hammond of Taraki Wines on the latest "Wine Talks" for an insider's look at the hustle behind global wine sales, sustainability, and family legacy. ✅ From farming sheep in New Zealand to launching a premium wine brand during lockdown, discover what it takes to stand out in the world's toughest markets. ✅ Find out why making truly great wine is only half the battle—and why the human connection is what really matters. Listen now for the full story!

Can hybrid grapes revolutionize the wine world? Adam Huss — Host of the Beyond Organic podcast and Co-owner of Centralas Cellars breaks down what a hybrid truly is, explaining how traditional breeding — and nature itself — has long crossed grape species. With over 70 grape species worldwide, today's modern hybrids are the result of generations of crossing, backcrossing, and innovation. We explore the impact of WWII on agriculture, France's ban on hybrids in appellation wines, and why developing new hybrids is critical for disease resistance, flavor discovery, and more sustainable farming. Plus, Adam shares insights into trialing the “married vine” system — a potential game-changer for soil health, pest management, and flavor expression. 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Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:03] Beth Vukmanic: Welcome to Sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic, Executive Director [00:00:13] In today's podcast, Craig Macmillan, critical resource manager at Niner Wine Estates with longtime SIP Certified Vineyard in the first ever. SIP Certified Winery speaks with Adam Huss, host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and co-owner of Centralis Cellars. [00:00:32] Adam breaks down what a hybrid truly is, explaining how traditional breeding and nature itself has long crossed grape species with over 70 grape species worldwide. Today's modern hybrids are the result of generations of crossing, backcrossing, and innovation. [00:00:50] We explore the impact of World War II on agriculture, France's ban on hybrids and Appalachian wines, and why developing new hybrids is critical for disease resistance, flavor discovery, and more sustainable farming. [00:01:03] Plus, Adam shares insights into trialing the married vine system, a potential game changer for soil health, pest management, and flavor expression. [00:01:12] When Lizbeth didn't get into nursing school on her first try, she could have given up. Instead, she partnered with her mentor Alex, to make a new plan, attend classes part-time, build up her resume and get hands-on hospital work experience. Now Lizbeth has been accepted into Cuesta College's nursing program and her dream of becoming a nurse is back on track. [00:01:36] Lizbeth is a Vineyard Team, Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholar. You can help more students like her who are the children of Vineyard and winery workers reach their dreams of earning a degree by donating to the Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship. Just go to vineyardteam.org/donate. [00:01:53] Now let's listen in. [00:01:58] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Adam Huss. He is the host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and also co-owner of Centralis Winery in Los Angeles, California. And today we're gonna talk about hybrid grape varieties. Welcome to the podcast, Adam. [00:02:11] Adam Huss: Thanks, Craig. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. [00:02:17] Craig Macmillan: So let's just start with the basics. What are hybrid grape varieties? [00:02:22] Adam Huss: I should also say I'm a fan of your podcast as well, so it's really fun to be here. [00:02:26] Craig Macmillan: Thank you. Thank you. [00:02:28] Adam Huss: Been listening for a while. So hybrids, I mean, it's really simple. It's funny, I see stuff on Instagram sometimes where people just are so misinformed and they think that, you know, hybrid means like GMO or something like that. [00:02:41] A hybrid simply is just, you take pollen from grape X, you put it on flowers from grape y, and if those two grapes are from different species, you have a hybrid. If they're from the same species, you just have a cross, and this is something that has been part of traditional breeding since forever. It's also what happens naturally in the wild. [00:03:00] Or I hate, I actually just use two words I try not to use at all, which is like natural and wild, but in forests and streams forests and backyards without human intervention, these pollen get exchanged by wind and everything else and have led to, you know, some of the more. Old popular varieties of grapes that are, considered hybrids that we know of now, like Norton and Isabella and Kaaba. [00:03:23] Nobody actually crossed them. They just happened. So yeah, that's, that's a hybrid. It's very simple. [00:03:29] Craig Macmillan: That's what they are, what aren't they and what are some of the myths surrounding them? [00:03:33] Adam Huss: yeah, great question. You can't generalize about hybrids. Generally speaking. So that's really important thing for people to wrap their heads around, which is because. You know, we'll get into this, but so much, so many hybrids are, and just hybrids in general, are wrapped up in prejudice because we live in this sort of viniferous centric wine world. [00:03:56] You know, , those of us who are in wine, but there, you just can't generalize. The qualities of hybrids are just like humans. Like it depends on what your parents are. You know, you, you get different things every time you mix 'em up and you're not like your brother or sister. If you have a sibling, you know you're gonna be different from them even though you have the same parents. [00:04:13] So that's the same thing happens with grapes. There's genetic diversity and mutation happens and. For hybrids, , the possibilities, the potentials are literally infinite. It's pretty incredible to know that possibility exists. There are over 70 species of grapes on earth besides vitus vara, and if you cross any of those two varieties, yeah, you'll get a genetic cross that's 50 50 of, of two different species. [00:04:40] But that. Within that you could do that cross again and get a different variety of grape, even with the same cross. So it's just amazing. [00:04:51] The modern hybrids that are now out there are. Often multi-species crosses and have been crossed. Generationally again and again and back crossed and recrossed. And so, you know, I was just looking at a hybrid grape that had five species of grapes in its family tree. I mean, there are family trees that would make the royals blush, honestly, in some of these hybrids. [00:05:11] So it's not, it's not something that is just, can be just said. You can say one thing about it or that. And, and the idea of hybridizing doesn't imply anything at all, really, like it is just this process that happens that we've been doing for a long time. This might be a good thing to dispel some of the prejudices. [00:05:34] You know, something like the word foxy often gets thrown around when we start talking about hybrids. I did a whole podcast about this what's really interesting, I just brought this word up to a, a young couple here in LA who are growing grapes and they, they had no idea what I was talking about. [00:05:49] So that's kind of encouraging. Like in, in the younger generations, these prejudices and some of these words that we inherited from the last century , are dying out truly. Which is great, but it still persists and you still hear it a lot and. If anybody goes online and researches some of these grapes, so much of the information available online is actually still misinformation and prejudiced because it comes from this vinifirous centric culture. [00:06:15] And so it's really important for people to understand that like foxy is not what it sounds like. It sounds like it would be this animalistic, musky, maybe scent gland tinged aroma, flavor thing, but. If you taste the grapes that are known as foxy and you go, you know, start researching this by tasting, you'll find that it's actually kind of delicious. [00:06:37] It's usually fruity and you know, candy like strawberry raspberry flavors. And for those of us in the US. It's often something we associate with Grapiness because of Welchs. And the flavors of Welchs, which come from the Concord grape, which is a Foxy grape, are these grapey flavors that we grew up with. [00:06:57] This sense of like grape candy and stuff like that. And that's a lot of times what you find in these, but again, it depends a lot on. The level of the compounds that are in that specific hybrid. Again, you can't, you can't generalize. And just like with anything, if you mix different compounds together, you'll get these nuances and you might have some of that flavor or aroma, but it'll be blended with other things. [00:07:17] And so it takes on new characteristics. So it's way more complex than just thinking like a. All grapes that are hybridized are foxy. That's absolutely not true. Or that foxy is this monolithic thing or that foxy is bad. None of those are true. And then really the other thing to realize is in. Grapes in the native North American varieties of species of grapes. [00:07:41] There's really only one that has been used traditionally in grape breeding and hybridization that has these flavors. And that's Vitus labrusca. It just happened to be used quite a bit because it's endemic to the East coast where a lot of the Europeans who started all this breeding were living and, and it was, you know, very readily apparent in the forest of the East coast. [00:07:59] So that. Got used a lot and it's also got a lot of great qualities of fungal resistance and stuff like that. Muscadine is the other grape that has it, but it's got a different genetic structure so it doesn't get crossed a lot or hybridized a lot. [00:08:11] Craig Macmillan: So like, what are the advantages of hybrids where you take vinifira and you cross it with a Native American indigenous grape? What are the benefits? [00:08:21] Adam Huss: Yeah. Another great question. Just , the historical perspective on this is really important. I think. So, you know, Europeans came here a couple hundred years ago, and eventually they brought some of their favorite plants over, one of which were their grapes. And what they noticed right away is that their grapes, I. [00:08:38] Suffered and died without exception, just across the board. Anything they brought over grape wise just kept dying, kept dying. You know, many people tried for a century at least, you know, including people like Thomas Jefferson, people with enormous amounts of resources, and they just failed. They failed to grow these grapes. [00:08:56] Meanwhile, you know, these things like. Norton, this, these hybridized grapes started developing and people noticed like, oh, this grape, it's crossing with some of , the local varieties and it's doing really well. So they began to realize, like they didn't know then that part of, one of the benefits that you get is phylloxera resistance, for example. [00:09:16] But that was a big one and came to save, you know, Europe's wine industry at the end of the 19th century. But also you have these grapes that . Evolved with the fungal pathogens of this, of these climates of North America and other places around the planet. So they've developed resistance and tolerance for all these things. [00:09:38] And so when you cross them with vinifira, you get some of the desirable characteristics that you might like from Vera, and hopefully you'll get some of that, you know, hardiness and fungal resistance and some of the other, just. General benefits of having hybridized interesting new flavors and characteristics [00:09:56] Craig Macmillan: have you seen some examples of this in your, in your travels? [00:10:01] Adam Huss: the fungal resistance and things like [00:10:03] Craig Macmillan: resistance or Pierces disease resistance or anything like that. [00:10:07] Adam Huss: Oh yeah. I mean, I. Whew, so many. I mean, the fact that people can grow grapes organically in Vermont for example, relies almost entirely on hybrids. You know, first of all, they have extremely cold winters there. They have extremely wet, hot, humid summers there. And if you try to grow vinifera there the only way to do it is with chemicals and, and a lot of heartache and, and high risk agriculture. [00:10:35] But here we have somebody like Matt Niess, who's working entirely with hybrids, with his winery, north American Press, and basically he's not using any sprays in any of his vineyards in here in California because these. These grapes have genetics that developed for resistance to the fungal pathogens of the East Coast. [00:10:55] And so you bring them to this nice dry, you know, Mediterranean climate, they're just like, they're crazy. They're like you know, they're, you can basically spray free now. I mean, some people have a problem with zero sprays because they don't want things to develop, but he has a 70-year-old baco noir vineyard, for example, that's in like a wet region in Sonoma that. [00:11:18] He has never sprayed and it's pumping out grapes and looking beautiful every year. And the really interesting thing about it's, there are some inter plantations of vinfiera in that like somebody. Planted something. Maybe it was Pinot Noir in with the Baco. It's like one every, you know, like there's only a few, a handful of these scattered throughout the acre of the Baco noir, and you can tell which ones those are every year because they're just decimated by mildew by the end of the year, whereas the Baco is just spotless and beautiful. [00:11:46] So that's a really like obvious, [00:11:49] Craig Macmillan: What are the wines like? The bako noir? I've never had a bako noir. [00:11:53] Adam Huss: Oh, his wines. Well, so Baco is nice. It's, I mean, it's higher acid. It's almost like a high acid. Gosh, I don't know what, it's hard. I, I, I hate to go down the rabbit hole of like trying to compare it to a vinifira, but it is unique. But it's a deep red almost interior, like with deep purple, higher acid flavors, but pretty balanced, really luscious. Dark fruited flavors maybe a little. Like Syrah, like meatiness, there may be a touch. You might find that it depends on the year. He's had a couple different vintages, so it's been really interesting to see. I'm, I'm kinda like loving following that year by year, seeing the vintage variation and what. [00:12:35] Different things come out because nobody's really doing this. Nobody's, nobody's experimenting with these. So we don't really know how they'll do in, in California other than what he's doing. And just a couple other growers. But he also this year introduced awba for the first time back into California. [00:12:50] The last catawba Vines were ripped out of California in like the sixties, and he, planted some and finally was able to harvest a crop this year and released what was once. California, I mean, the America's most popular wine from the Ohio River Valley is sparkling catawba, and it's like pink and just delicious, beautiful, beautiful stuff. [00:13:10] If I can step back, I think a lot of the discussion of hybrids, again, comes from this perspective of vinifira culture and how do we. Help vinifera become better. How do we use these hybrids as a tool to help, you know, this sort of vinifira centric culture? But I, I would, I'd like to reframe it. [00:13:31] I think a better way to look at this is hybridization is kind of just what we always do with agriculture. It's how you evolve and adapt your agriculture. Ecologically in the absence of modern chemistry that we have. So like before World War ii, and part of, and this is part of the history, France's history too, is like, you know, we had RA decimating their, their vineyards as well as. , we didn't just bring phylloxera back from North America, we brought BlackRock, Downey mildew, powdery mildew. So , their vines were just like dying. Like they were just dying. And so there was this urgent need and a lot of the hybridization, a lot of, some of our, you know, hybrids like Save El Blanc and things like that. [00:14:15] Came from French breeders who were just trying to save the French wine industry. Like they just wanted to have wine, let alone vinifira. You know, it was that. It was pretty bad at the end of that set, you know? And so they developed these new things and then we, you know, things like Isabella and catawba and things like that were coming over from North America, some of our hybrids that came from here, and pretty soon they had these really productive, really hardy vines with new, interesting flavors that. [00:14:41] People kinda liked 'cause they are like fruity and delicious and interesting and new and, and if you're a farmer and you have less inputs and you get a more productive, like higher yields on your vine, like, it's just kind of a no-brainer. And so people were just planting these things. They really were taking off. [00:14:59] And in 1934, the French were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like our, our, first of all, our. Ancient vinifera cultures are going to be completely diluted, but second of all, we're gonna devalue the market 'cause we're gonna have all this like, it's too abundant, you know? So they made, in 1934, they made hybrids illegal in the French Appalachians. [00:15:17] And so that legacy is something that still sticks with us. Of course then World War II happened and we. Didn't really pay much attention to wine at all 'cause we were just trying to survive. But once World War II was over and the the war machine transferred into the pesticide and industrial agricultural machine, the French realized they could keep Vera alive on root stocks of American hybrids or American native varieties by spraying them with these new novel chemistry chemicals. [00:15:49] And so then they started enforcing the ban on hybrids because they could, and they knew they could have the, this alternative. And so that's when you saw like they had their own sort of version of reefer madness where you, you saw a lot of misinformation and hyperbole and outright propaganda and lies about these, these grapes because they were trying to get them out of French vineyards. [00:16:10] It's important to realize that Ban the EU just lifted the ban on hybrids in Appalachian wine in 2021. So it's kind of not surprising that some of these prejudices and misinformation still persist today. We're not too far away from that. I. [00:16:26] Craig Macmillan: And, and why was the band lifted? Do you know? [00:16:30] Adam Huss: That's a great question. It's, it was lifted for ecological reasons because they're realizing these are really important to dealing with climate change. This is like, if you want a sustainable industry, you need to be able to adapt. When you're inside this, this world of vinifira, what I call the vinifira culture, which is, you know, very centered on Vera. [00:16:50] You don't realize how strange it is. You know, it's kind of like growing up with a, a weird family, you know? It's all you know, so you don't know how strange they are until you start seeing the rest of the world. But to think that, you know, 50 years ago we just decided that maybe like. 10 grapes were the pinnacle of viticultural achievement for all time, and we've basically invested all of our energies into, you know, propagating those around the planet and preserving them at all costs is kind of strange when you think about the whole history of agriculture. [00:17:20] And it's really only possible because of cheep fossil fuels and the novel chemistry that we. Have put into our systems. And so if you take those out, if you start thinking ecologically about how do you develop a wine system, I mean the question is like, does it make sense when farming in a world where the only constant is change and we just live in a dynamic world, does it make sense to try to do everything you can to prevent change? [00:17:45] Like is prevention of change like a good strategy? And so I think, you know, diversity and adaptation are. What have always worked, you know, historically through agriculture, and that's kind of the future. I mean, in a real sense, vinifera culture is the past and hybrids are the future. If we want to have a future, there's my enthusiastic, [00:18:09] Craig Macmillan: Well, I'd like you to expand a little bit more on that. 'cause we we have a group of hybrids that are well known or are commonly used. I've, I've been hearing about Marquette a lot more, um, As having a lot of potential WW. What does that future potentially look like and what are some things that would have to happen for that potential to be realized? [00:18:31] Adam Huss: So we have invested, you know, millions of dollars in time and energy and even policy into developing, , the chemicals that we now use to support our, viticulture. And to make it possible in places like Virginia, where, you know, they're developing a whole wine industry there around vinifira in a climate that is, you know, like I said, that was the climate that like Thomas Jefferson failed for and everyone else for hundreds of years failed to grow it there. [00:18:59] If we invested that same amount of time and energy and money into breeding programs and into. Research for the kinds of things that we're now discovering, like DNA markers so that we can have DNA marker assisted breeding. So you're, you're speeding up the breeding process by sometimes two, three years. [00:19:19] Which is, which is significant in a process that can take, you know, 10 to 20 years that any, any little bit helps. So that kinda stuff and just more of it, more private breeders, making it more valuable for private breeders. I always think it's really interesting that like billionaires would rather just do another sort of like cult. [00:19:39] Ego, Napa cab investment, you know, rather than like breed their own personal variety of grape that nobody else could have. I mean, I'm not recommending that, but like, to me that seems really interesting as an idea. You could just have your own proprietary grape variety if you wanted to, you know, but nobody's thinking that way. [00:19:58] But I would say breeding, putting our, our time and energy into breeding not new varieties is, . Really important and, and working with the ones that are already there, I mean. The only reason California's so such strangers to them is because it's so easy to grow here. You know, we're relatively speaking and I get that. [00:20:15] I mean, you know, people like what they like and, and change is hard and market conditions are what they are. But I think we're at a point where. Marking conditions are changed. Like I said, you know, this young couple I was just talking to don't, don't have never even heard the word foxy. And so I think there's a lot more openness to just what's in the glass. Now. [00:20:35] Craig Macmillan: So some. Of it's messaging. If we can have wines that people can taste and do it in a context that's new to them. So there may be an opportunity here with newer wine drinkers or younger wine drinkers potentially, is what it sounds like to me. [00:20:48] Adam Huss: Yeah, and I. I mean, some of this is also realizing all the different ways that hybrids are already being used and could be used. Like, you know, we know you mentioned Pierce's disease. Pierce's disease is this disease that's endemic to California and is heading north. I mean, it's really on the threshold of all of the major wine regions of, of California. [00:21:11] And the only ways . To stop it without hybrids, without resistant hybrids are, are pretty intense. You know, it's like eliminating habitat through, , basically creating a sterile medium of your vineyard and then spraying with insecticides, you know some, sometimes pretty intense insecticides. [00:21:29] The alternative though is there are now multiple varieties of grapes that are. Resistant to them that are tolerant to it so they, they can carry the bacteria, but it won't affect the health of the vine. Those were bred, some of them here, right here in California at uc Davis. And yet if you go to the University of California Agricultural Network Resources page that, you know, kind of handles all the IPM for California, sort of like the resource. [00:21:56] And if you read about Pierce's disease, it makes zero mention of using tolerant. Varieties as a management strategy. And it makes no mention that there are even are tolerant varieties to Pierce's disease as a management strategy. So just that kind of stuff is the shift that has to happen. 'cause it just shows how vinifera centric our entire industry is, like from the top down, even when there are these great strategies that you can use and start implementing to combat these things, ecologically versus chemically. [00:22:25] They're not there, you know, they're not being mentioned. So just little things like that would go a long way. Also, you know, I mean, one of my fun little facts is like. There are already hybrids being used significantly, like probably everybody on who's listening to this has, if you've bought a bottle of wine at a grocery store that was under 20 bucks, you've probably drunk hybrids because 10,000 acres of ruby red is grown in California to make mega purple and mega purples. Pretty much in every, like, you know, mass produced under $20 bottle of wine and it's got esra, Vitus, esra in it. So you've probably been drinking hybrids and not even known about it. [00:23:04] In terms of these Andy Walker hybrids, I do have a little that which were bred for Pierce's disease resistance. I also have kind of a fun story in that I, as you know, like we've, we've both talked to Adam Tolmach, who replanted a whole block that he lost to Pierce's disease with these hybrid varieties, and these are designed specifically to retain a lot of vinifira characteristics. They're like 97% back crossed to be. vinifira and 3% with Vitus, Arizona to have that Pierce's disease resistant specifically. So they don't have a lot of the other benefits that like a higher percentage of North American native varieties would have. Like they, they're still susceptible to powdery mildew and other mildew pretty, pretty intensely, [00:23:44] but just in terms of flavor for anybody who's out there. So I've, I've barrel tasted with Adam. Tasted each of those varieties individually out a barrel. And then we went to his tasting room and tried all of his wines and, and got to, and then he, instead of keeping, he has two red hybrid varieties, two white hybrid varieties, and he blends them and makes a, you know, a, a red blend and a white blend that he calls a state red and state white. [00:24:09] And we went to his tasting room and he makes beautiful wine. All of his wines are great, but no joke. Everybody in my party. Preferred the hybrids to like all of his pinots or raw chardonnay, I mean, I have no idea why. I mean, but, and that's just anecdotal, obviously nothing scientific, but the very least I can say the, the flavors are exciting and delicious. [00:24:29] Right. [00:24:30] Craig Macmillan: If you can get them in front of the consumer, [00:24:33] Adam Huss: Yeah. [00:24:33] Craig Macmillan: the key. That's really the key. [00:24:35] Adam Huss: Right, right, [00:24:36] Craig Macmillan: And for, your own wine making. Are you making wine from hybrids for yourself? [00:24:40] Adam Huss: Not yet just 'cause there are, there just aren't any in California very much, you know, I mean, it's like little patches here and little patches there. And the people that have them are using them for themself, you know, for their own growing. They've grown them specifically you know, Camus has planted some of these Andy Walker hybrids along their riparian corridors to prevent Pierce's disease. [00:24:58] Those varieties specifically are being used. I don't know if they're blending those in. With like their cab or whatever. I honestly think they could, but I don't know if they are. They're probably, I dunno what they're doing with them, but I do grow them here in Los Angeles and I'm, but they're, you know, it's like I'm trying out a bunch of different things, partly just to see how they do, because, you know, they haven't been grown here. [00:25:21] They were developed for colder, wetter climates and so, you know what, how will they grow here in Los Angeles? There's a lot of unanswered questions for some of these. [00:25:30] Craig Macmillan: You and I were chatting before the interview and you have a, a new project that you're very. Excited about tell us a little bit about that, because I thought that was pretty cool. [00:25:39] Adam Huss: Yeah. Thanks. So this past summer, my wife and I finalized the acquisition of this farm in upstate New York that I'm going to develop into a. Married Vine Vida Forestry Demonstration and Research Project. And, and married vines, essentially vines growing with living trees. [00:26:02] But the best way to think about it is if you know the three Sisters of Agriculture, the corn, beans and squash idea, where you plant these. This guild of, of a Polyculture guild, and they have these symbiotic stacking benefits and productivity. This is what a married vine polyculture is for perennial agriculture. And so I don't just see it as vine and tree, but also vine and tree, and then a ground cover and or small shrubs or things like that that are also perennials planted in a guild together to create these stacking benefits and productivity. [00:26:35] Multiple productivity layers as well as making it a grable system because the vines will be up in trees and and we're gonna call it the Beyond Organic Wine Forest Farm. [00:26:47] Craig Macmillan: So gimme some more detail on this. So like, what are the other plants that are in the forest and how are the vines, what's the spacing like? How, how many trees per vine or vine per tree? [00:27:01] How is the vine trellis? Um, I just, I'm really curious about this idea because this goes back to very, very ancient times. [00:27:09] Adam Huss: Yes. Yeah, yeah, [00:27:09] Craig Macmillan: Uh, that I've read about. I've never seen evidence of it, but I have been told that going back to like Roman times, they would plant grapevines, interplant with things like olives, [00:27:18] Adam Huss: yeah, yeah. Yeah. And [00:27:20] Craig Macmillan: use the olive as a trails. [00:27:22] I mean, is this the, is this the same kind of concept? [00:27:24] Adam Huss: You can see some of this still in Italy. So even pre roam the Etruscan times is what the oldest versions of this that are still visible in Campania, just north of Napoli, I think is the largest married vine system that is still in production. And I think it's about, it might be about 34 hectares of this variety where they have elm trees. That are really tall, full sized elm trees. [00:27:51] And then between them they sort of have wires or ropes between the trees and the vines grow up like up 15 meters. Like it's crazy. Like the guys that harvest this, they have like specially designed ladders that are built for their stance so that they can like lock into these 18 meter ladders and be up there like with a little pulley and a bucket, and they're lowering grapes down from way up in the end. [00:28:14] And you get. So many cool things about that, you know, the, the ripeness and the PHS of the grapes change, the higher you go up in that system. , the thinking is they might have even been used to like. Just inhibit invading armies because , it's like a wall of vines and trees that create like almost a perimeter thing. [00:28:33] That that's also how they're being used in Portugal, they are sort of like if you have a little parcel of land, you use trees and vines to create like a living fence keep your domestic animals inside. And animals that might eat them outside and protect, you know, from theft and things like that. [00:28:51] Keep all your crops in a little clo, like a little controlled area. There are old systems where. They're more like feto systems where they were using maple trees and just pollarding them at, at about head height. And every year, every year or two, they would come in and clip off all the new growth and feed it to the livestock. [00:29:10] And meanwhile, the vines were festooned between the, the maple trees is like, you know, just like a garland of, of grapevine. So there's a lot of different things. And what I wanna do is trial several of them. One of the most. Interesting ones that I just saw in whales uses living willows, where you literally just stick a willow slip in the ground, bend it over to the next one that's about a meter and a half away and attach it. [00:29:35] And so you have these arched willow branches that grow once you stick 'em in the ground. They start growing roots and they create like a head high trellis, like a elevated trellis system, and you plant vines in them. And, and it literally looks just like. Like a row of grapevines that you would find here, except the, the trellis is alive and there's no wires and, and you prune the tree when you prune the vine in the winter, you know? [00:29:58] And Willow, I, I don't know if you know, but the, the other interesting thing about that is like willow has been used historically that the salicylic acid is known. Obviously that's aspirin and stuff like that. That's where we get, you know, one of our oldest like pain relievers and things like that. [00:30:12] But. It's used in biodynamic preps as well as an antifungal. And so there's some thought that like this system could be really beneficial to the vines growing with those. Specifically for that, like for antifungal properties or just creating a, you know, showering the vines with this, this salicylic acid thing that will help them grow and have health throughout the season without, with, again, reduced need for sprays of anything. [00:30:37] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, and that was why I brought it up is because there's the idea of working with the natural ecology of what's in the germ plasm of native plants. I. Mixing with an import plant. [00:30:51] And then there's the other way of looking at it and saying, well, what, what about recreating the conditions under which this plant that has evolved in the first place? And I, I just think that there's really fascinating concept. It's really intriguing to me. [00:31:05] yeah. And there's so many different ways you could do it, and that's why it's interested in what you're planning on doing, because there's obviously a lot of ways you could do it. [00:31:11] Adam Huss: Yeah, I wanna experiment with several. Like you said, the, the soil benefits are incredible potentials. And then when you're also thinking about what do I do besides just vines and trees, and I mean, the other thing is like. How does it make the wine taste? Like if you plant a vine with an apple tree or a, a black locust tree, or a honey locust tree, or a, or a mulberry tree, like, does, is the vine happier with one of those trees? [00:31:35] You know what I mean? Does it, does it, you know, and if it is, does that make the wine taste better at the end of the day? All these are really fun questions for me. That's why I'm really excited to do it. But also like what are the benefits in terms of, you know, the health of the vine, the health of the tree? [00:31:50] Do they are, is there symbiotic elements? It seems like they would, I, I think a lot about what kind of mycorrhizal connections and associations the trees have, because we vines have our Arbuscular connections. And so if you plant them with a tree that has similar connections, they might actually have a symbiotic benefit. [00:32:07] They might increase that soil network even further. And then if you're planting shrubs like blueberries or flowers, you know, perennial flowers or Forbes and things like that, that could either be grazed or could be gathered or could be another crop even for you, or it could be a protective thing. [00:32:22] There are things like indigo that you might plant because. Deer don't like it. So you might want that growing around the base of your vine tree thing while it's young, because it will prevent the deer from grazing down your baby vines and trees, you know? And so there's just a, a myriad ways of thinking about these guilds that you can do. [00:32:39] Obviously these are, I. Yeah, they're, they're different. If I was doing it in California, if I was in California, I would be thinking more about olives and pomegranates and figs and things like that, you know, like there's a lot less water for growing trees here, so depending on where you are, unless you're on the coast. [00:32:55] Craig Macmillan: Are you planning on using hybrids in your project? [00:32:59] Adam Huss: Yeah. I don't know how I would do it any other way. Yeah, it's, definitely a climate that. If you try to grow ra, like you're just asking for trouble. And, and just, you know, because of my approach is so ecological, like I will attempt to be as minimal inputs as possible is the other way I look at it. [00:33:20] You know, try to just imitate what's happening around to, to see what that landscape wants to do and then how it. Maintains its health and resilience and maybe, and, and I mean, my, my ideal is to spray not at all. But you know, with not a dogma about that. If I see an issue or if I think like I'm building up these pathogen loads in the vineyard, maybe I'll spray once a year, even if they seem like they're doing okay. [00:33:47] You know, I'm not like dogmatic about nose spray, but I, it's a, it's a fun ideal to reach for. And I, you know, I think potentially with. Some of the symbiotic benefits of these systems that could be achievable with with the right hybrids. You know, I mean, again, I don't wanna generalize about hybrids because you have the Andy Walker hybrids on the one end, which you have to treat just like vinifira in terms of the spray program. [00:34:10] And then on the other hand, you have something like Petite Pearl or Norton, which is like in many cases is almost like a bulletproof. Grape, you know, and in California specifically, it would be like insanely. And then you have things right down the middle. Things like tranet that you know, is basically like, I could blind taste you on Tranet and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and gewurztraminer . [00:34:31] But it's more cold, hearty, it has a little more disease resistance. Gives you a just a little bit, a little bit more of a benefit while still getting flavors that are familiar to you. If you like those flavors. [00:34:43] Craig Macmillan: Is there one thing that you would tell growers on this topic? One takeaway. [00:34:48] Adam Huss: Great question. I think give hybrids the same allowance that you give Vinifera. I. We all know there's a huge diversity of Vin Nira from Petite Ough to Riesling. And not everyone is right for every wine drinker and not all of them per perform the same in the vineyard. And, and you know, and we tolerate a lot of. [00:35:12] Frailty and a lot of feebleness in our veneer vines. We, we do a lot of care. We do a lot of like, you know, handholding for our veneer vines when necessary. If we extended the same courtesy to hybrids in terms of understanding and willingness to work with them. I think like that would just go a really long way too. [00:35:33] And I think we'd be surprised to find , they're a lot less handholding than, than Venire generally speaking. I. But also just try some. I think a lot of the prejudice comes from just not being exposed to them right now. You know, if you, if you think, if you're thinking negative thoughts about hybrids, get out there and drink some, you probably just haven't had enough yet. [00:35:51] And if you don't like the first one, you know, how many bad Cabernets have you had? I mean, if, if I had stopped drinking vinifira, I [00:35:59] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, that's, that's a really good point. If I judged every wine by the first wine that I tasted, that's probably not a very, [00:36:06] Adam Huss: right. [00:36:07] Craig Macmillan: good education there, [00:36:08] Adam Huss: Prevented me from exploring further, I would've missed out on some of the more profound taste experiences of my life if I'd let that, you know, guide my, you know, my thinking about it. So yeah, I think it's like anything with prejudice, once you get beyond it, it kind of, you see how silly it is, man. [00:36:25] It's, it's like so freeing and, and there's a whole world to explore out there. And like I said, I really think they're the future. Like if we wanna have a future, . We can only cling to the past for so long until it just becomes untenable. [00:36:38] Craig Macmillan: Right. Where can people find out more about you? [00:36:42] Adam Huss: So beyondorganicwine.com is the, the website for me. The email associate with that is connect@organicwinepodcast.com. [00:36:53] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today has been Adam Huss. He is the host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and is the co-owner of Centralas Wines in Los Angeles. [00:37:01] Thank you so much. This has been a really fascinating conversation and I'd love to connect with you at some point, talk more about. Out this, thanks for being on the podcast [00:37:08] Adam Huss: Thank you so much, Craig. Appreciate it. [00:37:13] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. Today's podcast was brought to you by VineQuest. A Viticultural consulting firm based in Paso Robles, California, offering expert services in sustainable farming, vineyard development, and pest management. With over 30 years of experience, they provide tailored solutions to enhance vineyard productivity and sustainability for wineries and agribusinesses across California. [00:37:38] Make sure you check out the show notes for links to Adam. His wine, brand, Centralis plus sustainable wine growing podcast episodes on this topic, 135 Cold hardiness of grapes 217. 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