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Tim Ulbrich, YFP CEO, talks with the five recipients of the first YFP Gives scholarships. Summary This episode is filled with inspiration as we share the stories of the five winners of the first YFP Gives scholarship. Let this episode be a ray of sunshine amidst some of the cloudy skies plaguing the pharmacy profession. If the future is in the hands of these outstanding students and new practitioners, then the future is bright. In this episode, you'll meet:  Alyssa Falleni, clinical pharmacist who specializes in addiction treatment, HCV, and HIV and is currently working in HIV outpatient care at Hartford Healthcare Momitul Talukdar, who after working in the radiology department at a hospital, discovered her calling as a nuclear pharmacist. Momi currently works at PETNET in Cleveland, OH Perrigrine Garner, a pharmacy student at the University of Toledo with a passion for helping those in need and a dream of owning an independent pharmacy that caters to those with chronic medical conditions and disabilities Ruth Adeyemi, a fourth-year PharmD/MPH Nigerian International student at the University of Florida College of Pharmacy and College of Public Health and Health Professions, with a deep-rooted commitment to improving health outcomes in underserved communities, particularly in her home country, Nigeria. Ai Len Nguyen Phan, a Rutgers Industry Fellow at Roche Genentech in San Francisco, with a desire to work in medical affairs and give back to the pharmacy community through her mentorship to the Rutgers pharmacy students About Today's Guests Alyssa Falleni is a clinical pharmacist who specializes in addiction treatment, HCV, and HIV. After graduating from the University of Rhode Island, Alyssa went on to complete an ambulatory care residency at Hennepin Healthcare in Minneapolis, MN. Following residency, Alyssa completed a two-year VA Advanced Fellowship in Health Professions' Education, Evaluation, and Research (HPEER) at the VA in West Haven, Connecticut. She will be continuing her teaching with the Yale School of Medicine as she begins a new HIV specialty position with Hartford Healthcare. Momi Talukdar, MS, PharmD Candidate 2024 is a graduate of Northeast Ohio Medical University College of Pharmacy. She's an incoming nuclear pharmacist at PETNET in Cleveland, OH. Along with her passion for nuclear pharmacy, she loves teaching nuclear pharmacy as an adjunct faculty at University of Wisconsin LaCrosse. In her spare time, Momi enjoys watching new films and art shows and trying out local coffee shops. Ai Len (Aileen) Nguyen Phan is a second-year Rutgers Pharmaceutical Industry Fellow at Genentech, Inc. - Rare Blood Disorders Medical Science Liaison. She graduated from the University of Maryland, School of Pharmacy with her Pharm.D. and M.S. in Regulatory Sciences in 2023. She supported the US Medical Information & Communication Target Therapies teams during the first year of her fellowship. While Aileen has just recently started her industry career, she continues to give back to the pharmacy community through her mentorship to the Rutgers pharmacy students, such as supporting their scientific research on using artificial intelligence to assess oncology treatments. Perrigrine Garner, a non-traditional student, and mother of three amazing daughters, is currently a P4 at the University of Toledo's College of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences. Perrigrine is passionate about advocating for people with disabilities, especially in healthcare, as she is also a person with physical disabilities. Upon graduation, her dream is to help advance inclusivity in her community by opening an independent pharmacy that caters to those with chronic medical conditions and disabilities.  Ruth Adeyemi, a fourth-year PharmD/MPH Nigerian International student at the University of Florida College of Pharmacy and College of Public Health and Health Professions. Her journey in pharmacy is fueled by a deep-rooted commitment to improving health outcomes in underserved communities, particularly in my home country, Nigeria. With this passion, she started The Compassionate Pharmacy Practice Project (TCPPP), a project dedicated to transforming the Nigerian pharmacy practice system. The goal is to ensure that Good Pharmacy Practice (GPP) and Compassionate Care are not just concepts but realities in both urban and rural areas, significantly improving health outcomes in these communities. While Ruth is Nigerian, her commitment to improving health equity in underserved communities extends beyond borders. She is dedicated to her goal of ensuring that all patients, regardless of their neighborhood and built environment, receive the patient-centered, optimal, and compassionate care they deserve. Mentioned on the Show YFP Gives Ruth Adeyemi LinkedIn Alyssa Falleni LinkedIn Perrigrine Garner LinkedIn Momitul Talukdar LinkedIn Ruth Adeyemi Links:  https://sarmlife.com/  Books [Mastering the Art of Blogging for Your Brand] [Mastering the Art of SEO for Brand Growth] [Book Bundle - Discounted Price for purchasing both books] YFP Disclaimer Subscribe to the YFP Newsletter Tim Ulbrich on LinkedIn YFP on Instagram YFP Facebook Group  

Simply trying to avoid or remove uncertainty and complexity from the lives of our young people (and our own) just isn't a viable strategy anymore! So what do we do instead? How might we intentionally build our adaptive capacity to thrive in the face of these dynamics? Dr. Glenda Eoyang works with public and private organizations to help them thrive in the face of overwhelming complexity and uncertainty. She is a pioneer in the field of human systems dynamics (HSD), which she founded. Through Human Systems Dynamic Institute, Glenda uses her Models and Methods to help others see patterns in the chaos that surrounds them, understand the patterns in simple and powerful ways, and take practical steps to shift chaos into order. Her clients include Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Oxfam International, Canada School of Public Service, Cargill, Fraser Health Authority (BC), and Roche/Genentech. Glenda's latest book, with co-author Royce Holladay, is Adaptive Action: Leveraging Uncertainty in Your Organization (Stanford University Press, April 2013). https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=21971 You can find out more about the Human Systems Dynamics Institute here: https://www.hsdinstitute.org/index.html Social Links LinkedIn: @glenda-eoyang - https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenda-eoyang-795786/

Doctors Vamsi Velcheti, Sandip Patel, and Michael Zervos discuss recent updates on the management of early-stage non-small cell lung cancer (NSCLC), including the optimization of neoadjuvant and adjuvant treatment options for patients and the role of surgery in the era of targeted therapy and immuno-oncology in lung cancer. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Hello, I'm Dr. Vamsi Velcheti, your guest host for the ASCO Daily News Podcast today. I am a professor of medicine and director of thoracic medical oncology at the Perlmutter Cancer Center at NYU Langone Health. On today's episode, we'll be discussing recent updates on the management of early-stage non-small cell lung cancer (NSCLC), including the optimization of neoadjuvant and adjuvant treatment options for our patients, and the evolving role of surgery in the era of targeted therapy and immuno-oncology in lung cancer.  Today, I am delighted to be joined by two renowned experts in this space, Dr. Sandip Patel and Dr. Michael Zervos. Dr. Patel is a professor of medicine and a medical oncologist specializing in lung cancer at UCSD. Dr. Mike Zervos is the clinical chief of the Division of Robotic Thoracic Surgery and Director of General Thoracic Surgery at NYU Langone. Our full disclosures are available in the transcript of this episode, and disclosures relating to all episodes of the podcast are available at asco.org/DNpod. Dr. Patel and Dr. Zervos, it's a great honor to have you on the podcast today. Welcome aboard. Dr. Sandip Patel: Great to be joining you.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti:  Let's get started with Dr. Patel. As you know, over the last decade we've had dramatic advances in systemic therapy options for patients with metastatic non-small cell lung cancer, in both the realms of targeted therapy and immunotherapy. These have significantly improved outcomes for our patients with metastatic lung cancer. What's exciting is that more recently, we've seen the incorporation of these agents, both targeted therapies and immunotherapies, in early-stage non-small cell lung cancer. Dr. Patel, can you tell our listeners about these exciting recent advances and why do you think it's so important to incorporate these personalized systemic therapy options for our early-stage patients? Dr. Sandip Patel: I think it's a great point and a great question. And so, I think one thing to understand is that non-small cell lung cancer is actually multiple diseases. We give it one name based on how it looks under the microscope, but the vast majority of our advances to improve outcomes for patients have come from our ability to understand specific subgroups.  Many of our therapies have had activity in the advanced setting. We have our patients with metastatic or more widespread disease, which naturally led to the thought that could we utilize these therapies in earlier stage disease and potentially increase the rate of cure for many of our patients, lung cancer being the most common cancer killer worldwide. And so to your point, trying to understand how to best treat a patient really involves personalized medicine, typically driven by understanding the genomic profile of their tumor and two of the genes that have graduated from being tested for in the metastatic setting and now in the localized setting are EGFR and ALK. And these in particular are mutations that confer sensitivity to small molecule inhibitors, EGFR with osimertinib, ALK in the localized setting with alectinib based on the data that we've seen.  And so, one of the areas that's been particularly exciting is our ability to maximize a patient's chance for durable remissions by integrating these therapies after surgery, after chemotherapy when appropriate, and continuing generally for a finite amount of time, two to three years depending on the agent in the study we're discussing for these patients. Additionally, immunotherapy, which has revolutionized our treatment of patients with metastatic disease, may be particularly well-suited for the localized setting of non-small cell lung cancer as well. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Excellent points, Sandip. You're absolutely right, in the metastatic setting, we've all come to accept molecular testing, sequencing, and biomarker profiling as a standard, but unfortunately, that hasn't quite yet percolated into the early-stage setting. Can you talk about some of the challenges that we face as we have these therapeutic options available now for more early-stage patients? Dr. Sandip Patel: So, I think there are 3 flavors of localized therapy in non-small cell lung cancer. One is the advanced, unresectable stage 3, for which the approach is often concurrent chemo-radiation followed by some form of consolidated therapy. We're about to hear the results of LAURA, which is the study looking at EGFR-mutated non-small cell lung cancer.  For other patients, historically, the treatment has been durvalumab, an anti-PD-L1 directed immunotherapy. The other two are operative treatment of localized cancer: adjuvant treatment after surgery, or neoadjuvant or perioperative, in which chemoimmunotherapy begins before surgery. And testing depends on the settings. For the stage 3 patient who's likely getting concurrent chemo-radiation, they may have a very small amount of tissue, and so often these are done by pulmonary EBUS biopsies and that's how we pathologically confirm that advanced stage 3B. There may not be a lot of tissue available for molecular testing. In fact, if you look at the PACIFIC analysis, just looking at PD-L1, which is just an IHC off a single slide, a third of patients weren't able to even get a PD-L1, let alone a genomic result. And so, I think that's one of the areas of LAURA that's going to be particularly interesting to see as we try to implement it into our practice after seeing the full data.  I think in the adjuvant setting, we're lucky because our surgeons, Dr. Mike Zervos here, will get us a large amount of tissue in the surgical resection specimen, so we tend to get enough tissue to do genomics while they're under chemotherapy, there tends to be time to wait for their genomic result. Where this really gets complicated is in the neoadjuvant or perioperative setting, where time is everything.  The most important thing we can do for a patient in the localized space is get them to the operating room, get them started on radiation, their curative local modality, and that's where we have a time pressure but also a sample pressure because that is a diagnostic biopsy. It's a very small piece of tissue. Initially, there are multiple stains that have to be done to identify this lung cancer as opposed to another tumor. And so that's an area that I think we're going to need additional approaches given that cell-free DNA tends to have lower yield in lower stage disease in giving us a result. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Great points, Sandip. How do you deal with this issue in San Diego? The challenge is now we have a lot of trials, we'll talk about those neoadjuvant immunotherapy trials, but we know that immunotherapy may not be as effective in all patients, especially those with EGFR or ALK or some of these non-smoker, oncogene-driven tumors. So, we don't want to be giving patients treatments that may not necessarily be effective in the neoadjuvant space, especially when there is a time crunch, and we want to get them to surgery and all the complications that come with giving them targeted therapy post-IO with potential risk for adverse events. Dr. Sandip Patel: Absolutely. It is a great point. And so, the multidisciplinary team approach is key, and having a close relationship with the interventional pulmonary oncs, interventional radiology surgery, and radiation oncology to ensure that we get the best treatment for our patients. With the molecularly guided therapies, they are currently more on the adjuvant setting in terms of actually treating. But as you mentioned, when we're making a decision around neoadjuvant or perioperative chemo IO, it's actually the absence of EGFR now that we're looking for because our intervention at the current time is to give chemoimmunotherapy. Going back to the future, we used to use single gene EGFR within 24 hours, which was insufficient for a metastatic panel, but it often required five slides of tissue input. ALK can be done by IHC, and so some of these ‘oldie but goodie' pathologic techniques, and that pathologists, if I haven't emphasized, understanding what we're trying to do at a different context is so key because they are the ones who really hold the result. In the neoadjuvant and perioperative setting, which many of us favor, especially for stage 3A and stage 2B disease, understanding how we can get that result so that we can get the patient to the operating room in an expeditious way is so important. There is a time pressure that we always had in the metastatic setting, but I think we feel much more acutely in the neoadjuvant and perioperative setting in my opinion. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Fascinating insights, Dr. Patel.  Turning to Dr. Zervos, from a surgical perspective, there has been an evolution in terms of minimally invasive techniques, robotic approaches, and enhanced recovery protocols, significantly improving outcomes in our patients post-surgery. How do you see the role of surgery evolving, especially with the increasing complexity and efficacy of these systemic therapies? How do you envision the role of surgery in managing these early-stage patients, and what are the key considerations for surgeons in this new era? Dr. Michael Zervos: Thanks, Vamsi. Thanks, Sandip. Thank you for having me on the podcast. Obviously, it's an honor to be a part of such a high-level discussion. I have to say, from a surgeon's perspective, we often listen to you guys talk and realize that there's been a lot of change in this landscape. And I think the thing that I've seen is that the paradigm here has also changed. If we were having this discussion 10 years ago, a lot of the patients that I am operating on now, I would not be operating on. It really has been amazing. And I think the thing that stands out to me the most is how all of this has changed with neoadjuvant chemotherapy checkpoint inhibition. I think, for us as surgeons, that's really been the key. Whether it's CheckMate 816 or whatever you're following, like PACIFIC, the data supports this. And I think what we're seeing is that we're able to do the surgery, we're able to do it safely, and I think that the resectability rates are definitely high up there in the 90% range. And what we're seeing is pretty significant pathologic responses, which I think is really amazing to me.  We're also seeing that this has now shifted over to the oligometastatic realm, and a lot of those patients are also being treated similarly and then getting surgery, which is something that we would not have even thought of ever. When you look at the trials, I think a lot of the surgery, up to this point, has been done more traditionally. There's a specific reason why that happens, specifically, more through thoracotomy, less with VATS, and less with robotic. Sandip, I think you guys have a pretty robust robotic program at UCSD, so I'm sure you're pretty used to seeing that.   As you guys have become so much more sophisticated with the treatments, we have also had to modify what we do operatively to be able to step up to the plate and accept that challenge. But what we are seeing is yes, these treatments work, but the surgeries are slightly more complicated. And when I say slightly, I'm minimizing that a little bit.  And what's complicated about it is that the treatment effect is that the chemo-immune check inhibition actually has a significant response to the tumor antigen, which is the tumor. So it's going to necrose it, it's going to fibrose it, and wherever there is a tumor, that response on the surgical baseline level is going to be significant. In other words, there are going to be lymph nodes that are stuck to the pulmonary artery, lymph nodes that are stuck to the airway, and we've had to modify our approaches to be able to address that.   Now, fortunately, we've been able to innovate and use the existing technology to our advantage. Personally, I think robotics is the way we have progressed with all this, and we are doing these surgeries robotically, mainly because I think it is allowing us, not only to visualize things better, but to have sort of a better understanding of what we're looking at. And for that matter, we are able to do a better lymph node dissection, which is usually the key with a lot of these more complicated surgeries, and then really venturing out into more complicated things, like controlling the pulmonary artery. How do we address all this without having significant complications or injuries during the surgery? Getting these patients through after they've successfully completed their neoadjuvant treatment, getting them to surgery, doing the surgery successfully, and hopefully, with minimal to no morbidity, because at the end, they may be going on to further adjuvant treatment. All of these things I think are super important. I think although it has changed the landscape of how we think of things, it has made it slightly more complicated, but we are up for the challenge. I am definitely excited about all of this. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: For some reason, like medical oncologists, we only get fixated on the drugs and how much better we're doing, but we don't really talk much about the advances in surgery and the advances in terms of outcomes, like post-op mortality has gone down significantly, especially in larger tertiary care centers. So, our way of thinking, traditionally, the whole intergroup trials, the whole paradigm of pneumonectomies being bad and bad outcomes overall, I think we can't judge and decide on current treatment standards based on surgical standards from decades ago. And I think that's really important to recognize.  Dr. Michael Zervos: All of this stuff has really changed over the past 10 years, and I think technology has helped us evolve over time. And as the science has evolved for you with the clinical trials, the technology has evolved for us to be able to compensate for that and to be able to deal with that. The data is real for this. Personally, what I'm seeing is that the data is better for this than it was for the old intergroup trials. We're able to do the surgery in a better, more efficient, and safer way. The majority of these surgeries for this are not going to be pneumonectomies, they are going to be mostly lobectomies. I think that makes sense. I think for the surgeons who might be listening, it doesn't really matter how you're actually doing these operations. I think if you don't have a very extensive minimally invasive or robotic experience, doing the surgery as open is fine, as long as you're doing the surgery safely and doing it to the standard that you might expect with complete lymph node clearance, mediastinal lymph node clearance, and intrapulmonary lymph node clearance. Really, I think that's where we have to sort of drive home the point, really less about the actual approach, even though our bias is to do it robotically because we feel it's less morbidity for the patient. The patients will recover faster from the treatment and then be able to go on to the next phase treatments. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: In some of the pre-operative trials, the neoadjuvant trials, there have been some concerns raised about 20% of patients not being able to make it to surgery after induction chemo immunotherapy. Can you comment on that, and why do you think that is the case, Sandip?  Dr. Sandip Patel: Well, I think there are multiple reasons. If you look, about half due to progression of disease, which they might not have been great operative candidates to begin with, because they would have early progression afterwards. And some small minority in a given study, maybe 1% to 2%, it's an immune-related adverse event that's severe. So, it's something that we definitely need to think about. The flip side of that coin, only about 2 in 3 patients get adjuvant therapy, whether it be chemotherapy, immunotherapy, or targeted therapy. And so, our goal is to deliver a full multimodal package, where, of course, the local therapy is hugely important, but also many of these other molecular or immunologically guided agents have a substantial impact.  And I do think the point around neoadjuvant and perioperative is well taken. I think this is a discussion we have to have with our patients. I think, in particular, when you look at higher stage disease, like stage 3A, for example, the risk-benefit calculus of giving therapy upfront given the really phenomenal outcomes we have seen, really frankly starting with the NADIM study, CheckMate816, now moving on into studies like KEYNOTE-671, AEGEAN, it really opens your eyes in stage 3. Now, for someone who's stage 1/1b, is this a patient who's eager to get a tumor out? Is there as much of an impact when we give neoadjuvant therapy, especially if they're not going to respond and may progress from stage 1 and beyond? I think that's a reasonable concern. How to handle stage II is very heterogeneous. I think two points that kind of happen as you give neoadjuvant therapy, especially chemo-IO that I think is worth for folks to understand and this goes to Mike's earlier point, that is this concept if they do get a scan during your neoadjuvant chemo immunotherapy, there is a chance of that nodal flare, where the lymph nodes actually look worse and look like their disease is progressing. Their primary tumor may be smaller or maybe the same. But when we actually go to the OR, those lymph nodes are chock-full of immune cells. There's actually no cancer in those lymph nodes. And so that's a bit of a red herring to watch out for.   And so, I think as we're learning together how to deliver these therapies, because the curative-intent modality is, in my opinion, a local modality. It's what Mike does in the OR, my colleagues here do in the OR. My goal is to maximize the chance of that or really maximize the long-term cure rates. And we know, even as long as the surgery can go, if only 2 or 3 patients are going to get adjuvant therapy then 1 in 10, of which half of those or 1 in 20, are not getting the surgery and that's, of course, a big problem. It's a concern. I think better selecting towards those patients and thinking about how to make these choices is going to be hugely important as we go over. Because in a clinical trial, it's a very selective population. A real-world use of these treatments is different. I think one cautionary tale is that we don't have an approval for the use of neoadjuvant or perioperative therapy for conversion therapy, meaning, someone who's “borderline resectable.” At the time at which you meet the patient, they will be resectable at that moment. That's where our best evidence is, at the current time, for neoadjuvant or perioperative approaches.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti:   I think the other major issue is like the optimal sequencing of immune checkpoint here. Obviously, at this point, we have multiple different trial readouts, and there are some options that patients can have just neoadjuvant without any adjuvant. Still, we have to figure out how to de-escalate post-surgery immunotherapy interventions. And I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done, and you're certainly involved in some of those exciting clinical trials. What do you do right now in your current clinical practice when you have patients who have a complete pathologic response to neoadjuvant immunotherapy? What is the discussion you have with your patients at that point? Do they need more immunotherapy, or are you ready to de-escalate?  Dr. Sandip Patel: I think MRD-based technologies, cell-free DNA technologies will hopefully help us guide this. Right now, we are flying blind along two axes. One is we don't actually know the contribution of the post-operative component for patients who get preoperative chemo-IO. And so this is actually going to be an ongoing discussion. And for a patient with a pCR, we know the outcomes are really quite good based on CheckMate816, which is a pure neoadjuvant or front-end only approach. Where I actually struggle is where patients who maybe have 50% tumor killing. If a patient has only 10% tumor killing ... the analogy I think in clinic is a traffic light, so the green light if you got a pCR, a yellow light if you have that anywhere from 20%-70% residual viable tumor, and then anything greater than that, you didn't get that much with chemo-IO and you're wondering if getting more chemo-IO, what would that actually do? It's a bit of a red light. And I'm curious, we don't have any data, but my guess would be the benefit of the post-op IO is because patients are in that kind of yellow light zone. So maybe a couple more cycles, we'll get them an even more durable response. But I am curious if we're going to start relying more on MRD-based technologies to define treatment duration. But I think it's a very complicated problem. I think folks want to balance toxicity, both medical and financial, with delivering a curative-intent therapy. And I am curious if this maybe, as we're looking at some of the data, some of the reasons around preferring a perioperative approach where you scale it back, as opposed to a neoadjuvant-only approach where there's not a clean way to add on therapy, if you think that makes sense. But it's probably the most complicated discussions we have in clinic and the discussion around a non-pCR. And frankly, even the tumor board discussions around localized non-small cell lung cancer have gone very complex, for the benefit of our patients, though we just don't have clean data to say this is the right path.   Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: I think that the need for a really true multidisciplinary approach and discussing these patients in the tumor board has never been more significant. Large academic centers, we have the luxury of having all the expertise on hand. How do we scale this approach to the broader community is a big challenge, I think, especially in early-stage patients. Of course, not everyone can travel to Dr. Zervos or you for care at a large tertiary cancer centers. So, I think there needs to be a lot of effort in terms of trying to educate community surgeons, community oncologists on managing these patients. I think it's going to be a challenge. Dr. Michael Zervos: If I could just add one thing here, and I completely agree with everything that has been said. I think the challenge is knowing beforehand. Could you predict which patients are going to have a complete response? And for that matter, say, “Okay. Well, this one has a complete response. Do we necessarily need to operate on this patient?” And that's really the big question that I add. I personally have seen some complete response, but what I'm mostly seeing is major pathologic response, not necessarily CR, but we are seeing more and more CR, I do have to say. The question is how are you going to predict that? Is looking for minimal residual disease after treatment going to be the way to do that? If you guys could speak to that, I think that is just tremendously interesting.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: I think as Sandip said, MRD is looking very promising, but I just want to caution that it's not ready for primetime clinical decision making yet. I am really excited about the MRD approach of selecting patients for de-escalation or escalation and surgery or no surgery. I think this is probably not quite there yet in terms of surgery or no surgery decision. Especially for patients who have early-stage cancer, we talk about curative-intent treatment here and surgery is a curative treatment, and not going to surgery is going to be a heavy lift. And I don't think we're anywhere close to that. Yet, I'm glad that we are having those discussions, but I think it may be too hard at this point based on the available technologies to kind of predict CR. We're not there.  Dr. Michael Zervos: Can I ask you guys what your thought process is for evaluating the patient? So, when you're actually thinking about, “Hey, this patient actually had a good response. I'm going to ask the surgeons to come and take a look at this.” What imaging studies are you actually using? Are you just using strictly CT or are you looking for the PET? Should we also be thinking about restaging a lot of these patients? Because obviously, one of the things that I hate as a surgeon is getting into the operating room only to find out that I have multiple nodal stations that are positive. Which really, in my opinion, that's sort of a red flag. And for me, if I have that, I'm thinking more along the lines of not completing that surgery because I'm concerned about not being able to provide an R0 resection or even having surgical staple lines within proximity of cancer, which is not going to be good. It's going to be fraught with complications.  So, a lot of the things that we as surgeons struggle with have to do with this. Personally, I like to evaluate the patients with an IV intravenous CT scan to get a better idea of the nodal involvement, proximity to major blood vessels, and potentially even a PET scan. And though I think in this day and age, a lot of the patients will get the PET beforehand, not necessarily get it approved afterwards. So that's a challenge. And then the one thing I do have to say that I definitely have found helpful is, if there's any question, doing the restaging or the re-EBUS at that point to be particularly helpful.  Dr. Sandip Patel: Yeah, I would concur that having that pathologic nodal assessment is probably one of the most important things we can do for our patients. For a patient with multinodal positive disease, the honest truth is that at our tumor board, that patient is probably going to get definitive chemoradiation followed by their immunotherapy, or potentially soon, if they have an EGFR mutation, osimertinib. For those patients who are clean in the mediastinum and then potentially have nodal flare, oftentimes what our surgeons will do as the first stage of the operation, they'll actually have the EBUS repeated during that same anesthesia session and then go straight into surgery. And so far the vast majority of those patients have proceeded to go to surgery because all we found are immune cells in those lymph nodes.  So, I think it's a great point that it's really the pathologic staging that's driving this and having a close relationship with our pathologists is key. But I think one point that I think we all could agree on is the way that we're going to find more of these patients to help and cure with these therapies is through improved utilization of low-dose CT screening in the appropriate population in primary care. And so, getting buy-in from our primary care doctors so that they can do the appropriate low-dose CT screening along with smoking cessation, and find these patients so that we can offer them these therapies, I think is something that we really, as a community, need to advocate on. Because a lot of what we do with next-generation therapies, at least on the medical oncology side, is kind of preaching to the choir. But getting the buy-in so we can find more of these cases at stage 1, 2 or 3, as opposed to stage 4, I think, is one of the ways we can really make a positive impact for patients. Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: I just want to go back to Mike's point about the nodal, especially for those with nodal multistation disease. In my opinion, those anatomic unresectability is a moving target, especially with evolving, improving systemic therapy options. The utilization for chemo radiation has actually gone down. I think that's a different clinical subgroup that we need to kind of think differently in terms of how we do the next iteration or generation of clinical trials, are they really benefiting from chemo-IO induction? And maybe we can get a subset of those patients in surgery. I personally think surgery is probably a more optimal, higher yield to potentially cure these patients versus chemo radiation. But I think how we identify those patients is a big challenge. And maybe we should do a sequential approach induction chemo-IO with the intent to kind of restage them for surgery. And if they don't, they go to chemo consolidation radiation, I guess. So, I think we need to rethink our approach to those anatomically unresectable stage 3s. But I think it's fascinating that we're having these discussions. You know, we've come to accept chemo radiation as a gold standard, but now we're kind of challenging those assumptions, and I think that means we're really doing well in terms of systemic therapy options for our patients to drive increased cures for these patients. Dr. Michael Zervos: I think from my perspective as a surgeon, if I'm looking at a CT scan and trying to evaluate whether a patient is resectable or not, one of the things that I'm looking for is the extent of the tumor, proximity to mediastinal invasion, lymph nodes size. But if that particular patient is resectable upfront, then usually, that patient that receives induction chemo checkpoint inhibition is going to be resectable afterwards. The ones that are harder are the ones that are borderline resectable upfront or not resectable. And then you're trying to figure out on the back end whether you can actually do the surgery.  Fortunately, we're not really taking many patients to the operating room under those circumstances to find that they're not resectable. Having said that, I did have one of those cases recently where I got in there and there were multiple lymph node stations that were positive. And I have to say that the CT really underestimated the extent of disease that I saw in the operating room. So, there are some challenges surrounding all of these things. Dr. Sandip Patel: Absolutely. And I think for those patients, if upfront identification by EBUS showed multi nodal involvement, we've had excellent outcomes by working with radiation oncologists using modern radiotherapy techniques, with concurrent chemo radiation, followed by their immunotherapy, more targeted therapy, at least it looks like soon. I think finding the right path for the patient is so key, and I think getting that mediastinal pathologic assessment, as opposed to just guessing based on what the PET CT looks like, is so important. If you look at some of the series, 8% to 10% of patients will get a false-positive PET on their mediastinal lymph nodes due to coccidioidomycosis or sarcoidosis or various other things. And the flip side is there's a false-negative rate as well. I think Mike summarized that as well, so I think imaging is helpful, but for me, imaging is really just pointing the target at where we need to get pathologic sampling, most commonly by EBUS. And getting our interventional pulmonary colleagues to help us do that, I think is so important because we have really nice therapeutic options, whether it's curative-intent surgery, curative-intent chemo radiation, where we as medical oncologists can really contribute to that curative-intent local therapy, in my opinion.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Thank you so much Sandip and Mike, it's been an amazing and insightful discussion, with a really dynamic interplay between systemic therapy and surgical innovations. These are really exciting times for our patients and for us. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise and insights with us today on the ASCO Daily News Podcast.   I want to also thank our listeners today for your time. If you value the insights that you hear today, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you so much. [FH1]   Dr. Sandip Patel: Thank you. Dr. Michael Zervos: Thank you.   Disclaimer: The purpose of this podcast is to educate and to inform. This is not a substitute for professional medical care and is not intended for use in the diagnosis or treatment of individual conditions. Guests on this podcast express their own opinions, experience, and conclusions. Guest statements on the podcast do not express the opinions of ASCO. The mention of any product, service, organization, activity, or therapy should not be construed as an ASCO endorsement.   Follow today's speakers: Dr. Vamsidhar Velcheti @VamsiVelcheti Dr. Sandip Patel @PatelOncology Dr. Michael Zervos   Follow ASCO on social media: @ASCO on X (formerly Twitter) ASCO on Facebook ASCO on LinkedIn   Disclosures:  Dr. Vamsidhar Velcheti: Honoraria: ITeos Therapeutics Consulting or Advisory Role: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Merck, Foundation Medicine, AstraZeneca/MedImmune, Novartis, Lilly, EMD Serono, GSK, Amgen, Elevation Oncology, Taiho Oncology, Merus Research Funding (Inst.): Genentech, Trovagene, Eisai, OncoPlex Diagnostics, Alkermes, NantOmics, Genoptix, Altor BioScience, Merck, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Atreca, Heat Biologics, Leap Therapeutics, RSIP Vision, GlaxoSmithKline   Dr. Sandip Patel: Consulting or Advisory Role: Lilly, Novartis, Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca/MedImmune, Nektar, Compugen, Illumina, Amgen, Certis, Eli Lilly, Roche/Genentech, Merck, Pfizer, Tempus, Iovance Biotherapeutics. 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Drs. John Sweetenham and Shaji Kumar discuss the emergence of CAR T-cell therapy for multiple myeloma, its benefits and challenges for patients, and its potential role earlier in the treatment of disease. TRANSCRIPT Dr. John Sweetenham: Hello, I'm Dr. John Sweetenham from the UT Southwestern Harold C. Simmons Comprehensive Cancer Center and host of the ASCO Daily News Podcast.  Multiple myeloma is the second most common hematologic malignancy, and the American Cancer Society estimates that there will be more than 35,000 new cases of the disease diagnosed in the United States this year. The emergence of several novel therapies over the last decade has transformed the therapeutic landscape for multiple myeloma, and chimeric antigen receptor – or CAR T-cell therapy – is one of the newest treatments for this disease, which has created a great deal of buzz.  Dr. Shaji Kumar is an internationally renowned investigator of novel therapeutics and next-generation treatment options for patients with multiple myeloma, and I'm delighted to welcome him to the podcast today to discuss innovations in CAR T-cell therapy in this space. Dr. Kumar is a professor of medicine and chair of the Myeloma Group, as well as chair of research in the Division of Hematology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. He is also the editor-in-chief of The Hematologist.  You'll find our full disclosures available in the transcript of this episode, and disclosures of all guests on the podcast are available at asco.org/DNpod.  Shaji, it's great to have you on the podcast today. Dr. Shaji Kumar: Thanks, John. Dr. John Sweetenham: Shaji, to begin with, maybe we could ask you for an overview of where CAR T-cell therapy sits in multiple myeloma right now. We know that CAR T-cell therapy has improved the survival for some patients with myeloma in recent years. But of course, relapse still remains a problem. Can you tell us a little about the therapies that are currently approved for multiple myeloma in the CAR T-cell space, and what are the potential benefits and challenges of these products? Dr. Shaji Kumar: Absolutely. It has been a revolution, I think, in terms of therapies for multiple myeloma during the past decade. We have seen so many new treatments approved for myeloma, and consequently, the survival of patients with myeloma has significantly improved. Two decades ago, we used to tell patients a median survival of 3 years, and today we tell patients a median survival of 8 to 10 years, a number that is continuing to go up. And it is all because of the new treatments that have become available for patients, especially over the past decade, and CAR T-cell therapy has been a game changer.   Now, the main treatments that we were relying on for the past 2 decades have been the immunomodulatory drugs, the proteasome inhibitors, and more recently, the anti-CD38 monoclonal antibodies. Unfortunately, what we see in the clinic is that patients go through these therapies and various combinations of these agents, and often over the 6 to 10 years after the diagnosis, they often become refractory to these drugs. And then we are left with very few choices, if any, for controlling the disease. And that's where the CAR T cells have really made an impact.  Over the past several years, clinical trials have shown that CAR T-cell therapy is highly effective. In fact, when we look at the initial trials that have been done in this space, the majority of these CAR T cells have been targeted towards what we call BCMA, or a B-cell maturation antigen that is present on both normal and abnormal plasma cells. Now, the concept of CAR T cells has been around for a while, and we have already seen success in other hematological malignancies, but it has been a little late compared to the other diseases in terms of its arrival in the myeloma field. But over the past few years, we have seen some dramatic progress. We currently have two different CAR T cells that are approved and available in the clinic. We have idecabtagene vicleucel (ide-cel) and also ciltacabtagene which is also called cilta-cel. Both of these CAR T cells are targeted towards BCMA.   In the early trials conducted with both of these CAR T cells, we've seen patients who have become refractory to all the available therapies, and now upwards of 90% of these patients are responding to these CAR T cells. We are now seeing responses that we had typically not seen previously in any of the other therapies – not only the high response rates but also the depth of response. What we are seeing is a significant number of these patients – nearly half – of these patients can actually be minimal residual disease (MRD)-negative in the bone marrow after the CAR T-cell therapy. And this is clearly unprecedented in this myeloma space. Now, the approval for both these CAR T cells has been based on the experience in patients who have become refractory to the currently available therapies. And the ‘line in the sand' that the FDA has drawn for approval for these drugs has been at least 4 prior therapies. In those patients, when you look at the studies that have been done both for the ide-cel and the cilta-cel, it clearly demonstrates the advantages. And we can look at the data that's available in 3 groups. So we have the single-arm studies, the early phase I and phase 2 trials that have been done with both these CAR T cells. For ide-cel, we have the KarMMa trial, and for the cilta-cel, we have the CARTITUDE trials. In the initial studies, as I previously mentioned, we are seeing responses upwards of 90%, and we are seeing disease control that is lasting at least a year or more with these CAR T cells.   Now, of course, the question is, we do need randomized phase 3 trials to demonstrate that this is indeed true. Even before the phase 3 trials came along, there have been multiple case-control studies that have been done where the outcomes of patients getting these CAR T cells were compared to real-world controls or cohorts of patients who did not get these therapies. And these studies demonstrated that the outcomes of patients getting CAR T cells were significantly better than what has been shown in the real-world controlled population. And then finally, we have, of course, the phase 3 trials that have read out in patients with relapsed myeloma, in fact, in a group of patients in an earlier stage of the disease than who were studied in those single-arm studies. Now, based on the results from the single-arm studies, we got the approval from the FDA for the use of CAR T cells in this late stage of the disease. And with the phase 3 trials that have read out, both the KarMMa-3 trial and the CARTITUDE-4 trial again clearly demonstrate that these CAR T cells are much more effective than what we would have seen with the conventional therapies if those patients were assigned to those treatments. Now, clearly, it's not only a question of efficacy. We also know that they do come with some toxicities, and we have a good sense of the toxicities from those initial phase I and phase 2 trials. Now, as we have seen with the other diseases, the 2 major categories of toxicities that we see are the cytokine release syndrome and the neurological toxicity associated with CAR T-cell therapy.  In terms of the clinical features and the presentations, they are not different than what we have seen with the CAR T cells used in other hematological malignancies, but we do see different frequencies of these in the myeloma patient population. The cytokine release syndrome is something that is seen in a majority of the patients, at least in the lower grades. And over the time since we have been using CAR T-cell therapy, I think we have all become a lot more familiar with the management of the cytokine release syndrome, and we have very effective therapies to manage, and to some extent, maybe even prevent the onset of the cytokine release syndrome in patients undergoing CAR T-cell therapy.  The neurological toxicity is another toxicity that is unique to these immunological therapies, known as the ICANS, or the immune cell effector-associated neurological syndromes. And these, again, thankfully, are much less frequent than what we see with the cytokine release syndrome. But even with the ICANS and other neurological toxicities associated with CAR T-cell therapy, we have a better understanding of the biology behind it, and we also have better modalities to monitor the patients for these toxicities and intervene in an appropriate and timely manner to take care of them.  In addition to the ICANS and the cytokine release syndrome, we certainly do see other toxicities as well. We do see hematological toxicities, which are common for many of the treatments we use for hematological malignancies. Thankfully, these other toxicities can be easily managed. They often reverse themselves over time and haven't really posed any major hurdles in terms of the utilization of these modalities of therapy for patients with myeloma. Dr. John Sweetenham: Okay, that's great. Thank you very much, Shaji. I'll return to some of the potential late effects of CAR T-cell therapy in a moment. But before we get to that, as you know, in other hematologic malignancies, there has been a trend in recent years to moving CAR T-cell therapy further up the therapeutic algorithm, as it were. So there is consideration being given to using this as a first-line or second-line therapy. Do you think there is a potential role for CAR T cell earlier in the treatment of multiple myeloma? For example, could you see a time when it may be used as second-line treatment for this disease? Dr. Shaji Kumar: Absolutely. I think that's a very good point. And I think, just as with other cancers and as with myeloma, too, with many of the therapies we use for myeloma in the newly diagnosed setting or the time of first relapse, were all initially tested in these later relapses. We are following the same script even for the CAR T cells. In fact, the 2 phase 3 trials, the KarMMa-3 trial and the CARTITUDE-4 trial, enrolled patients in the earlier lines of therapy, either 1 prior line or 2 prior lines for these trials. And what we have seen with both phase 3 trials is that the outcomes, both the progression-free survival outcomes and the response rates, are significantly better compared to the standard-of-care therapies that these patients would have otherwise received.  Now, what is unclear at this point is, does every patient at the time of the first relapse need a CAR T-cell therapy, or can we be more selective in terms of deciding which particular subgroup of patients can benefit more from this CAR T-cell therapy in different lines or different relapses? The bottom line is, I think the data that we have right now clearly points towards the utility of CAR T-cell therapy at earlier lines of treatment. The question now is, which patients do we need to do at which stage? In fact, when you look at the newly diagnosed setting, there are ongoing clinical trials that are looking at replacing autologous stem cell transplant with CAR T-cell therapy. Those phase 3 trials are currently enrolling where patients are being randomized to either the autologous stem cell transplant, which is considered a standard of care for eligible patients, or giving them a CAR T-cell therapy. Similarly, even in transplant-ineligible patients, trials are exploring the possibility of using CAR T-cell therapy instead of giving patients a prolonged course of maintenance and consolidation.  One of the beauties with the CAR T-cell therapy right now is that it's a one-time treatment. You get the treatment and you do not get any additional therapies after that. It's a protocol that is being debated – whether we will need maintenance therapies after CAR T-cell therapy, but I think that is something that will have to be explored in the context of clinical trials. But certainly, I think over the next 5 years, we will see the CAR T-cell therapy moving to earlier and earlier lines of therapy. My guess is in 5 years, there will be a subset of patients where we would offer them CAR T-cell as part of the first-line therapy, some others, maybe based on disease and patient characteristics, we might use it at the time of first or second relapse.   Dr. John Sweetenham: Great, thank you. Just to return to toxicities and some of the potential late effects. As you know, last November, the FDA launched an investigation to determine whether CAR T-cell therapy can, in rare cases, cause secondary cancers. You may remember that this was in response to reports of T-cell malignancies in patients who had received various types of CAR T-cell immunotherapies. The FDA determined that the risk of T-cell malignancies is applicable to all of the currently approved BCMA-directed and CD19-directed genetically modified autologous CAR T-cell immunotherapies. Could you care to comment on this whether you have seen any evidence of this in your own work, and whether the events and the FDA investigation have impacted your clinical research or your clinical practice in any way in terms of patient monitoring or maybe in terms of trial approval? Dr. Shaji Kumar: This has been an important observation. As with all new therapies, whenever the question of long-term toxicities is brought up, especially second malignancies, it is something that needs to be looked into very carefully, and I think the FDA is doing exactly that. There have been reports of second cancers, particularly T-cell cancers. In fact, there were some statements that came out recently from the FDA where they commented on the fact that they had seen 22 cases of T-cell cancers by the end of 2023. And, in fact, in 3 of those cases where genetic sequencing was performed, they did notice that the genetic material or the chimeric antigen receptor was inserted into these cancer cells as part of the process. So I think there is a lot more work that needs to be done in terms of understanding the mechanism and probably also understanding how prevalent these instances are.  But I think, based on what we know as of now, these cases form a very tiny fraction of the total number of CAR T-cell therapies that have been used in patients with lymphoma and myeloma. In our own day-to-day practice, this has not really affected how we view this therapy. It clearly has made a significant impact for patients with no other treatment options. So in our daily practice, we continue to use CAR T-cell therapy as we have done before these reports came out. But we do inform patients about the risk and what we know about the risk of these T-cell malignancies.   In addition to T-cell malignancies, there have also been reports of myelodysplastic syndromes in patients undergoing CAR T-cell therapy. Again, it is important to remember that, at least in the myeloma setting, many of these patients have had multiple lines of therapy, often with drugs that can cause second malignancies, particularly myelodysplastic syndrome. So I think a lot more work needs to be done in terms of understanding what is the direct impact of CAR T-cell therapy versus what was lurking underneath because of the treatments that these patients had previously received. So I think it is important for us to continue to be very diligent, as with any new therapies that we introduce for the treatment of our patients. But at the same time, understand that, in the context of the benefits that these therapies bring to our patients, especially when they have no other treatment options.  Dr. John Sweetenham: Absolutely. So, at least for now, and probably in the longer term, the benefits of the therapy certainly appear to outweigh the risks, although it is important not to underestimate or minimize those risks.   I wanted to change direction a little bit and talk a little bit in the final question about care disparities and CAR T cell. Of course, CAR T-cell therapy is typically offered at large cancer centers and is very expensive. This means that there are issues of access to treatment. In addition, the literature shows us that non-Hispanic Black individuals are twice as likely to develop multiple myeloma compared to their White counterparts. Furthermore, at least right now, Black patients are less likely to receive these novel CAR T-cell therapies and continue to be underrepresented in clinical trials. So, this is a big, complex question, but can you talk a little bit about how outcomes differ between racial and ethnic groups who actually receive CAR T-cell therapy for multiple myeloma? And could you address what you think are the most appropriate strategies for minimizing the disparities in access? Dr. Shaji Kumar: That's a very, very important question, particularly in the context of multiple myeloma, where African American individuals are at a higher risk of getting plasma cell malignancies. I think we need to think about this in the context of what we know about disparities even before the CAR T cell came along. There has been a good amount of literature that has looked at the outcomes based on the types of therapies that could be impacted by this. There have been studies that have looked at cooperative group trials, which often have a good representation of minorities and have shown that if patients have equal access to advanced therapies that we have, their outcomes are comparable or sometimes even better for African American patients compared to Caucasian patients. So I think it's very important that the treatment strategies that we develop are equally accessible to everyone.  In terms of CAR T-cell therapy or immunotherapies, I don't think we have any concrete evidence to suggest that there is any difference in outcomes. And I think it's reasonable to assume that if patients are exposed to similar therapies, they will have similar outcomes, even in the context of immunotherapies. But at the same time, I think we must continue to study this diligently, and the only way to do that is to ensure that clinical trials include patients reflective of society in general. This will allow us to understand if any differences exist. In addition, I think there is a serious risk that with these expensive therapies, this gap can only widen. And I think that is one reason that we must be proactive, particularly with therapies like CAR T-cell therapy, which not only are expensive but also require quite a bit of logistical support for patients to go to larger centers to get these therapies, stay around these larger centers for upwards of a couple of months, which means they are living outside of their usual societal structure, and ensure there is access to the resources that are needed to enable them to do that. So I think there is a lot that is still unknown, but I think we really need to be proactive in ensuring equal access to these therapies. Dr. John Sweetenham: Yes. Thanks for a very thoughtful response to that question, also for the work that you are obviously doing to help address this extremely important issue.  I'd like to thank you for sharing your insights with us today and for the extraordinary work that you're doing and your team are doing to advance care for patients with multiple myeloma. Dr. Shaji Kumar: Thank you, John. Dr. John Sweetenham: And thank you also to our listeners for joining us today. If you value the insights you hear on the ASCO Daily News Podcast, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.  Disclaimer:  The purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. It is not a substitute for professional medical care and is not intended for use in the diagnosis or treatment of individual conditions. The guests on this podcast express their own opinions, experience, and conclusions. Guest statements do not necessarily reflect the opinions of ASCO. Mention of any product, service, organization, activity, or therapy should not be construed as an ASCO endorsement. Find out more about today's guest:    Dr. Shaji Kumar @myelomaMD   Follow ASCO on social media:       @ASCO on Twitter    ASCO on Facebook    ASCO on LinkedIn       Disclosures:      Dr. John Sweetenham:   Consulting or Advisory Role: EMA Wellness     Dr. Shaji Kumar: Consulting or Advisory Role: Takeda, Janssen Oncology, Genentech/Roche, Abbvie, Bristol-Myers Squibb/Celgene, Pfizer, Regeneron, Sanofi, K36 Research Funding (Inst.): Takeda, Abbvie, Novartis, Sanofi, Janssen Oncology, MedImmune, Roche/Genentech, Carsgen Therapeutics Ltd., Allogene Therapeutics, GlaxoSmithKline, Regeneron, Bristol-Myers Squibb/Celgene Travel, Accommodations, Expenses: Abbvie, Pfizer

Rita Gandhy is a movement disorders neurologist and comes with over 4 years of experience at Roche/Genentech. Prior to her current work in USMA, Rita led the Study Review Team for a planned tominersen study in late onset Huntington's Disease, being responsible for developing the protocol and study set up. Before USMA, Rita was in the Product Development OMNI LEAD safety group as Safety Medical Director leading the safety strategy for the initiation and execution of a number of therapeutic areas including the anti-tau molecule semorinemab. Rita obtained her undergraduate degree in theology and biology from University of Rochester, and her Medical Degree at Southern Illinois University School of Medicine. She completed her internship at Illinois Advocate Masonic hospital in Chicago, a year of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation at Stanford and neurology residency at the University of California, San Diego. She has an additional neurology subspecialty training in movement disorders from Georgetown University. She subsequently practiced clinical neurology, as the Director of the Movement Disorder program at Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia. There she developed a comprehensive movement program including Deep Brain Stimulation and other treatment modalities including comprehensive inpatient and outpatient care for Parkinson's disease and Huntington's disease patients. To find out if you can join the clinical trial, or for more information, please speak to your  doctor today or contact the Genentech Trial Information Support Line  (TISL) at 888-662-6728 (Monday - Friday, 5am - 5pm PT). Or https://clinicaltrials.gov/ trial #NCT05686551

Drs. Vamsi Velcheti, Taofeek Owonikoko, and Janakiraman Subramanian discuss their experiences navigating the cancer drug shortage in the United States, the impact on patients and clinical trial enrollment, lessons learned, and proactive strategies to mitigate future crises. TRANSCRIPT  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Hello, I'm Dr. Vamsi Velcheti, your guest host for the ASCO Daily News Podcast today. I'm a professor of medicine and director of thoracic oncology at the Perlmutter Cancer Center at NYU Langone. On today's episode, we'll be discussing the impact of the shortage of cancer chemotherapy drugs across the United States. This has been affecting several thousands of patients with adult and pediatric cancers and hampering enrollment in clinical trials. Among the shortages are very commonly used drugs like cisplatin, carboplatin, methotrexate, and fludarabine. Some of these shortages have persisted since the time of the pandemic in 2020.   So today, to discuss this really troubling scenario, I have two outstanding colleagues, Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian, the director of thoracic oncology at Inova Schar Cancer Institute in Virginia, and Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko, a professor of medicine and the chief of the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh Hillman Cancer Center in Pittsburgh.   Our full disclosures are available in the transcript of this episode, and disclosures relating to all episodes of the podcast are available at asco.org/DNpod.  So, a recent survey by the NCCN found that 90% of the nation's largest cancer centers have experienced a shortage in carboplatin, and 70% of the centers have reported a shortage in cisplatin. These are platinum-based chemotherapies we use frequently in patients with cancer, and these are often curative intent treatments for several cancers, and these are used in several tumor types, both solid tumors and hematologic malignancies. So, the scale of the problem is immense.   Dr. Owonikoko, I'd like to hear your take on this situation and how are you dealing with this at the UPMC Cancer Center.  Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Yeah, thank you, Dr. Velcheti, and happy to be part of this panel. As you rightly surmised, the chemotherapy drug shortage is what we've all experienced across the length and breadth of the United States. Our cancer center here in Pittsburgh is not an exception. We've had to be proactive as well as think outside the box to be able to manage the challenge. Just like every other cancer center across the country, maybe to varying degrees, we've had to look at patients in need of chemotherapy with these standard-of-care agents such as cisplatin or carboplatin, and to some degree docetaxel, during this past episode of drug shortage that we all went through. And while we did not have to, fortunately, cancel any patient treatment, we all went through it with bated breath; not sure of where the next batch of chemotherapy drugs will come through, but I would say in the past couple of weeks, we've actually seen some improvement in drug availability.   But before then, we've had to have contingency plans where, on a weekly basis, we review our patient list and the drug regimens that they're going to need, and must make sure that we have enough drug on hand for those patients. And in situations where we thought we might not have enough drug; we also had a plan to use alternative regimens. We were proactive in having guiding principles that are consistent with ASCO's recommendations in terms of quality care delivery for cancer patients. So, I'm sure that this is more or less the same approach adopted by other leading cancer centers across the country.   Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Thank you, Dr. Owonikoko. And Dr. Subramanian, you're in a community setting, a large cancer center that serves a lot of patients in the state of Virginia. So, what is the scale of the problem at your institution and how are you handling it?   Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian: First of all, Dr. Velcheti, thanks for having me here on this panel. And as you rightly said, this is a significant problem, and it is across the country like Dr. Owonikoko said. And as medical oncologists, we are not always thinking of drug shortages. Our focus is on taking care of our patients. So, this is one more issue that we need to keep in mind now as we manage our patients with cancer. When this shortage started, the biggest problem, as you know, was when we became aware of this was primarily in cisplatin and we had some of our patients who were getting curative treatment and we had to make a decision - can they get cisplatin or can they get carboplatin. And one of the things we did was to have an ethics committee that will review each patient that is being planned to receive cisplatin-based chemotherapy and come to a decision on how best we can support them.   The template for some of this was based upon some of the triage mechanisms we used during COVID, as well as the ASCO guideline document for managing this chemotherapy shortage, which was one of the blueprints we used. And they have reviewed all cases, all patients that are being planned for cisplatin or carboplatin for that matter, and we come to a decision based on that. And we also have another committee that constantly monitors drug availability on a weekly basis and tries to forecast where the next problem would be as we take care of our patients.   And particularly as a lung cancer doctor, we've had situations where we had to use carboplatin instead of cisplatin and even we also have carboplatin shortage. And so, the committee usually approves two cycles at a time, but thankfully so far we have not had a situation where we could not offer our patients the chemotherapy treatment. But we are very carefully monitoring the situation, hoping that this will improve.   The other aspect of the shortage has been in 5FU. A lot of our GI colleagues; I treat esophageal cancer patients as well, where we've had to forego the bolus 5FU and have a 10% reduction on all 5FU infusions. And we've been using some of that dose reduction to ensure that we can have 5FU available for all our patients. And that's how we've been trying to manage this shortage situation here at Inova Schar.   Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Dr. Subramanian and Dr. Owonikoko, we are oncologists, we are treating patients, and the toughest part really is telling a patient that we don't have access to certain drugs and we have to switch treatments to perhaps another treatment regimen that may be suboptimal. And it's always a very anxiety-provoking discussion, and especially for patients with metastatic cancer, they're already under a lot of stress and it's a really difficult conversation. How do you handle that, Dr. Owonikoko?  Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: That's a conversation we all hope we don't have to have. And fortunately, with this current crisis, I've actually not had such misfortune of having to inform a patient that we don't have drugs to treat them or that we have to switch to something inferior. But conceptually, it's possible that could have happened and that would have been very difficult. But the one thing that we did, though, as part of our mitigation strategy was actually to inform the patient ahead of time because the way we handled this was to look at our inventory on a week-by-week basis. And if there are patients where we felt maybe they will be coming in towards the end of the week and we may not have enough drugs for them, to let them know the possibility exists that we might have to switch them to something different. While we did not have to do that for any patient, yes, there are patients that we had to give that heads up to, to say, “We're having this shortage. We're doing everything we can to make sure it's available. But just in case it's not available…” I think what is most important for most patients is to be aware of that decision ahead of time, to be able to process it, and to be transparent.   The other challenge that we face was, if you have to choose between patients, what should be your guiding principles as to who gets the drug and who doesn't get it? I think it's very easy for all of us to say, “Oh, if it's curative intent, we do it. If it's not curative intent, we don't do it.” It's a little more complicated than that because if we put the equity hat on, curative intent doesn't actually mean that that life is more valuable than somebody who cannot be cured. And this is where really, I think having people with expertise in ethics of care delivery and disaster management will be very important for us to proactively anticipate that, should this become a recurrent problem in the future that we actually have a well-vetted approach, just like we did during COVID where you have to ration resources that we have those people with expertise to help us as oncologists because not all of us, at least personally I can speak for myself, that is not my area of expertise and comfort.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Excellent points. Dr. Subramanian, anything to add?  Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian: Oh, absolutely. I echo what Dr. Owonikoko said. These are conversations that we would like to hopefully never have with our patients. But this is a crisis that we are facing now. And personally, I can tell you two situations where we ran into this problem. But overall, though, we never had to stop a treatment or cancel a treatment for our patient. In the first situation, we had a young man with a rare germ cell tumor in the hospital for whom cisplatin was key. He was already in the ICU and sometimes the treatment start dates are not perfect, unlike what we do in the outpatient setting, depending on how well he's doing or the treatment start dates might move by a day or so. So we basically had to hold a certain dose of cisplatin for him.   This brings the next question, which is how do we decide who gets cisplatin versus who can go for an alternative option? And I think Dr. Owonikoko made a great point where, just because it is a curative disease does not mean their life is more valuable. This is where I think trying to make that decision at an individual level, as an individual treating physician can be extremely hard. And that's why at our institution we have this ethics committee where we have oncologists, pharmacists, and ethicists that review these chemotherapy orders, particularly for cisplatin, and try to use some guiding principles that we learned from COVID as well as ASCO's guidance to decide how we assign our resources. That's one option, one way we have done it.    And then in another situation that was faced by one of my GI oncology colleagues was a patient that was originally planned to go on a clinical trial where the chemotherapy backbone was FOLFOX and because we had the 5FU shortage, we could not offer that patient clinical trial enrollment. And that was a tough conversation where they had to tell them that they could not go on a clinical trial that they were looking forward to. And this then brings the next question, which is by foregoing the bolus 5FU and by the 10% reduction in the infusional 5FU, are we providing them inferior treatment? And it's a conversation that's had at a very individual level. I don't envy my colleague who had to have that conversation. It's a challenge and we try to do our best to communicate to our patients that we are trying to provide care without trying to compromise the effectiveness of treatment for them.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Thank you so much both of you. And we had the same issues here at NYU in New York City as well. It appears, you know, the degree of shortage and the drugs that are in shortage has been somewhat different at different locations across the United States. But the theme has been that we are having to ration treatments for our patients. And of course, there are some tumor types where there's really no adequate substitution, for example, GU cancers. I mean, you can't really not give them cisplatin. A lot of these are situations which have curative intent and young patients. So, it's really troubling.   And I think one of the things that really came out of this is there's been a lot of push from professional societies that actually ASCO has been spearheading and some intense discussions with CMS and legislators to kind of provide more long-term fix for these things. And I think all of us have to be more engaged in those discussions with our professional societies like ASCO to kind of help promote awareness. So if you kind of think about it, these drugs are not that expensive. These are generic drugs that we've all been using for such a long time. And the fact that we can't provide these drugs for various reasons is kind of really concerning. We spend so much money on research and more expensive drugs and not being able to manufacture these drugs within the country and kind of having to rely on complex supply chains is troubling, and I hope the situation improves very soon.    So, I know both of you are at large cancer centers that enroll patients on clinical trials. Of course, these drugs, especially carboplatin, for lung cancer, especially, are like core treatments that are used in managing cancer patients with lung cancer. So how is this affecting your clinical trial accrual? Are you prioritizing patients on clinical trials for these drugs? Have you had to make any decisions to hold clinical trial accrual for certain trials? Kind of curious to hear.  Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Yeah, so I can maybe weigh in a little bit on that in terms of what we've had to do for patients receiving treatment as standard of care versus those going on clinical trials. As we all recognize that when a patient goes on a clinical trial, even if they are going to receive a standard-of-care regimen as part of that trial, it still has to be administered in line with the protocol. So, during the extreme period of shortage anxiety, we actually had consideration for perhaps not putting patients on trial if we're not sure that they will be able to continue to receive the protocol-mandated treatment, whether it's a control intervention or the experimental intervention.   The good thing to come out of this is at least here at UPMC, we actually did not have any instance where we had to deny a patient clinical trial participation. But there were anxious periods when we already had patients enrolled and they were scheduled to receive a platinum-containing regimen and we were not sure whether or not we were going to have adequate supply of the drug for them while on trial. I think this really raises an important consideration going forward as we come out of this current shortage. I don't by any stretch of the imagination assume that this is going to be the last one we experience, but I think the lessons learned here, we have to also carry that forward both in the design of the trial as well as in the regulatory environment surrounding clinical trial conduct, to say, should another incidence of drug shortage are to happen, how do we actually operationalize that with respect to patients on trial, whether starting or already on trial?   I think it's much more challenging when the patient is already on the trial, they've already started. It's less challenging if you just have to make a decision about somebody starting newly on the trial. But equally important is that by not allowing new patients to go on trial is denying something that potentially could be of benefit to them, albeit it is still a trial, it's not an established treatment option yet.  Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian : I completely agree with Dr. Owonikoko. Those were very key points and issues that we face as well. In terms of my patients with lung cancer, we haven't had a problem in getting them on clinical trials. Even though we have had carboplatin shortage patients who are already on treatment, they were able to get the carboplatin. For new patients, we were still able to provide them carboplatin as well. The biggest problem for clinical trials has been primarily with my GI colleagues who have to use 5FU. And there, as I said before, we are unable to give bolus 5FU and there is a 10% reduction of the infusional 5FU. So, we can't have any of these patients go on clinical trials.    And as a result, anything that has to do with 5FU has come to a screeching halt in terms of clinical trials for our patients. And I think I echo the point of Dr. Owonikoko that by no means this is the last drug shortage we're going to be dealing with and we are here today discussing this, also because this shortage has not ended. It's been ongoing. It's one of the longest drug shortages in my memory as a medical oncologist, and that's concerning. We still see that there is some improvement, but we haven't gotten past it yet.     And therefore, as we develop clinical trials and we need to have methods to address drug shortages and how we manage patient enrollment as well as how do we manage existing patients who are already on a clinical trial and, if possible, what might be their options in that situation. We may not have all the answers, but it is definitely an issue that we need to think about in the future as we develop and implement newer clinical trials for our patients.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: I completely agree and great points, both of you. And we've had the same issues with clinical trials at NYU Langone as well due to the shortage. It's been a challenge, and I think this is a problem that's so complex because of supply chain issues and the way the drugs are priced and incentives for manufacturing these drugs in the United States are not lucrative enough to actually onshore a lot of the production of these drugs.   I think at the end of the day, I think we have to come up with some creative, innovative, reimbursement structures for these generic chemotherapy drugs. I think this would require a very complex economic solution that perhaps ASCO and other organizations should kind of really foster an environment of innovation to kind of help facilitate onshoring some of the manufacturing of these key drugs within the United States. I think ASCO is already trying to do that, trying to collaborate with all the stakeholders to kind of address this problem is very critical, and I think all of us have to be engaged in some of the advocacy efforts that are ongoing to kind of address these drug shortages. And this is not a short-term problem.  So, Dr. Owonikoko and Dr. Subramanian, any final thoughts before we wrap up the podcast today?  Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian: So, Vamsi, you mentioned the whole complex supply chain and the fact that we rely primarily on overseas manufacturers to get these drugs that are off-patent but still a key backbone of our cancer treatment. I think those are all key issues that policymakers and leaders in the field have to keep in mind. As an institution at Inova, one of the key mechanisms that have helped us to sort of stay ahead of the shortage was to have this inventory management team that monitors the inventory out there. And in fact, the inventory management team does have access to what the inventory is in some of their main suppliers in terms of the drugs. And they also have an idea of how many patients are going through treatment, what is the weekly usage of a specific drug like carboplatin. And they try to forecast what is coming down the road and try to prepare for it.   And as we try to look for solutions, maybe a forecasting mechanism in a larger scale like either spearheaded by ASCO or by policymakers level that can, for the overall country, try to see where some of the inventory is for some of these critical drugs and try to prepare for it ahead of time, rather than wait till we hit the shortage and then try to find alternative suppliers to get the drug, which obviously doesn't happen quick enough. It takes months or even longer to catch up and get the inventory back to the level where we can comfortably take care of our patients.  I think that is something we should be advocating for that as well as the professional societies should take a handle on that and see if they can support something like that as well as letting the institutions know ahead of time what's coming might be very helpful.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Yeah, very good point, Janakiraman, and I think that's a key takeaway here. I think we have to learn from other industries and try to– I mean this is not unique to healthcare by any means. I mean these chronic shortages due to supply chain issues, inventory management, there might be some learnings from other industries here that we probably should also focus on inventory management and improve supply chain logistics.   Dr. Owonikoko, any closing thoughts?   Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Yeah, I agree as well with all the points made by Dr. Subramanian and yourself. This is a chronic problem that requires a long-term strategy. I think it's both an economic problem as well as a regulatory problem. As we all know, part of the reason why we went through this current crisis is the regulatory decision by the FDA regarding safety of one of the manufacturers. So being proactive in terms of how these audits are conducted and giving people lead time I think will help avoid similar situations in the future.    It's an economic problem. There's a reason why a lot of the big pharma companies are not producing these drugs. And if the cost of production is such that the amount of money you get paid is enough to cover your price, I think there is an economic issue there to be addressed. That is unfortunately not within the scope of what any one of us can do individually, but as advocates in terms of the structure of incentivizing new drug versus old drug, some of these newer drugs are quite expensive, but oftentimes they are used along with standard drugs that are not as expensive. So, where do we strike that balance where we do not stifle innovation but at the same time, we don't create a perverse incentive system where everybody just wants to come up with the newest, most expensive drug and nobody is interested in really producing the backbone chemotherapy and other agents that will make those new drugs work well.   So, I think we have to pay attention. We have to advocate for our patients through our different institutions and organizations, and I hope that society as a whole that we've learned a lot of lessons from this crisis and that will help us craft some long-term strategies.   Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: Thank you both Dr. Owonikoko and Dr. Subramanian for your time today to speak with me and our listeners and for sharing your insights with us on the ASCO Daily News podcast.   Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Thank you.   Dr. Janakiraman Subramanian: Thank you.  Dr. Vamsi Velcheti: And thank you to our listeners for your time today. If you value the insights that you hear on ASCO Daily News Podcast, please take a moment to rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Thank you so much.  Disclaimer: The purpose of this podcast is to educate and to inform. This is not a substitute for professional medical care and is not intended for use in the diagnosis or treatment of individual conditions. 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Drs. Rana McKay and Jonathan Rosenberg highlight key advances in genitourinary cancers featured at the 2023 ASCO Annual Meeting, including the THOR study in mUCC, VESPER in muscle-invasive bladder cancer, CONTACT-03 in mRCC, and TALAPRO-2 in mCRPC. TRANSCRIPT  Dr. Rana McKay: Hello, and welcome to the ASCO Daily News Podcast. I'm Dr. Rana McKay, your guest host for the podcast today. I'm a GU medical oncologist at the Morris Cancer Center at the University of California in San Diego and an associate professor at the University of California in San Diego School of Medicine. Joining me today is Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg, the chief of the Genitourinary Oncology Service at the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York. We'll be discussing practice-changing studies and other key advances in genitourinary cancers that were featured at the 2023 ASCO Annual Meeting.   You'll find our full disclosures in the transcript of this episode, and disclosures of all guests featured on the ASCO Daily News Podcast are available on our transcripts at asco.org/DNpod.  Jonathan, it's great to have you with us today. How are you?  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: I'm doing very well. Thanks so much for hosting today.  Dr. Rana McKay: Oh, of course. It's always fun to step back from ASCO and reflect on all the practice-changing and practice-informing studies that were presented.  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: Absolutely.  Dr. Rana McKay: Maybe we can dive right in with LBA4619. This is the much-talked-about THOR study of erdafitinib versus chemotherapy in patients with advanced or metastatic urothelial cancer with select FGFR alterations. What are your key takeaways from this study?  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: It is indeed a study we've been waiting for, for quite some time, to see the results in the confirmatory study after the accelerated approval of erdafitinib. This is half of the THOR trial. There were 2 cohorts of patients. One cohort were patients who previously received a checkpoint inhibitor randomized to chemotherapy or erdafitinib, and those data were reported at ASCO this year. The other cohort was randomized against a checkpoint inhibitor in patients who have not received a checkpoint inhibitor, and we'll see those data in a future meeting.   The bottom line for the THOR study is that FGFR3 inhibition improved overall survival compared with chemotherapy, and the chemotherapy in this study was a taxane. The overall survival was 12.1 months for erdafitinib compared to 7.8 months for chemotherapy with a hazard ratio of 0.64. This led to the DMC to stop the study and blind the data and cross people over. There was also a PFS advantage. There really weren't a lot of new toxicity signals seen; the usual suspects in terms of mucositis, hyperphosphatemia, diarrhea, dry mouth, and onycholysis.  And so, what it tells us ultimately is that in a patient who's progressed on a checkpoint inhibitor, we can feel comfortable about using erdafitinib knowing it provides a survival advantage in patients who've been previously treated for advanced urothelial cancer and have an FGFR alteration, either an FGFR2 or 3. And hopefully, we'll see more data in the future from the study, maybe not too long in the future from the other part of the study, comparing it to checkpoint inhibition.   Dr. Rana McKay: That's really exciting. I think it's exciting to see the data about the positivity of erdafitinib versus chemotherapy in this context. Looking at the phase 3 data is going to be really important. Looking at the data in the IO naive context is going to be really important. I feel like this sort of reaffirms what we've been doing in clinical practice. But how do you feel that the study is practice-changing?   Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: I think it gives us reassurance that for these patients, erdafitinib is an appropriate option. There's no randomized data between erdafitinib and other choices, such as sacituzumab, which is also based on an accelerated approval, or enfortumab, which is based on randomized phase 3 trial. But it gives us level-1 evidence. I do wonder whether the comparison against the checkpoint inhibitor may turn out differently, but we'll see. Those data aren't in evidence. And I do think it was interesting that the majority of patients who were enrolled on the trial were PDL-1 low. We'll see what the comparison to a checkpoint inhibitor is like and whether those patients have similar characteristics.  Dr. Rana McKay: Yeah, you're almost kind of selecting for people that were not primed to respond.   Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: Exactly.   Dr. Rana McKay: Well, that's really exciting, I think. Moving on to localized bladder cancer, Dr. Pfister presented the results of the VESPER trial. That's LBA4507. I think this study was really important. This was a trial that explored dose-dense MVAC with methotrexate, vinblastine, doxorubicin, and cisplatin or gemcitabine-cisplatin as a perioperative chemotherapy for muscle-invasive bladder cancer. I think there's always been some discussion around these regimens and how they pair up against one another. Can you tell us about these data?   Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: It's a very interesting study. It was designed back when it was felt that we could not give patients neoadjuvant therapy. And it was designed as either a neoadjuvant or adjuvant approach. Although, in reality, almost everybody who was enrolled in the study got neoadjuvant chemotherapy, which I think speaks to the shift in practice over the last 10 to 15 years towards neoadjuvant rather than adjuvant therapy. It's an interesting trial in that it used a duration of chemotherapy for the MVAC regimen, the dose-dense MVAC regimen that we don't usually use, which is 6 cycles. And functionally, about 40% of patients couldn't make it to 6 cycles and had to stop sooner, versus 4 cycles of q3-week gemcitabine and cisplatin.   And what the data show is that the progression-free survival for the entire intent-to-treat population didn't reach significance. But if you looked at the neoadjuvant population only, there was an improvement in progression-free survival as well as overall survival. So, it's sort of a negative positive trial. Negative for the primary endpoint, but positive for key secondary endpoints. They did a very interesting analysis looking at the number of cycles that patients received regardless of arm, but looking at it by arm. And it's clear from that analysis that the more chemotherapy they got, the better they did.   Although, the flaw in that analysis is that the healthier patients are, the more chemotherapy they're able to tolerate, and therefore that may translate to an improved overall survival irrespective of the amount of chemotherapy. And this was not necessarily a pre-specified analysis. I think some of the statisticians were clutching their chests during the report of this trial, having talked to several afterward. On the other hand, it does say to me that for a fit, younger patient, it is important to consider dose-dense MVAC instead of gemcitabine and cisplatin.   I'll also note, reading the publication from the first part of the trial, that it appears that nobody over 70 was enrolled from everything I could tell. And so, I question the validity of the tolerability of the results for the average 75-year-old that I see in my practice. Although age is not a bright line cut-off for anybody in terms of cancer treatment. But my own experience has been that dose-dense MVAC has been harder to tolerate for a lot of patients in their 70s, whereas I think we should feel quite comfortable giving it to patients in their sixties. And if you ask me how many cycles I would give, I probably wouldn't say 6, for dose-dense MVAC, I would probably say 4.   Dr. Rana McKay: Was there a predilection that there was a more aggressive disease like nodal disease or other things to prompt the 6 versus 4?  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: I think that they stopped primarily for toxicity reasons, but it wasn't clear to me that it was a disease-based issue. And for the neoadjuvant therapy, everyone was supposed to be clinically node-negative on entry, so that probably wouldn't have explained it.  Dr. Rana McKay: Very exciting. I know that the data were quite provocative, but I think it's always difficult to interpret these sorts of subgroup of subgroup analyses, and there's a lot of bias in why people may get more versus less. And I think trying to reduce these data to clinical practice is going to be really important, as you've stated.  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: Rana, I'd also like to talk about some key advances in renal cell carcinoma that were reported at ASCO. Dr. Choueiri presented data on LBA4500, the CONTACT-03 study, which really was the first study of its kind in solid tumors because it addressed a major question in the kidney cancer field and in other fields: Is there a role for immunotherapy rechallenge after progression on immunotherapy? Specifically, the study looked at the efficacy and safety of atezolizumab plus cabozantinib versus cabozantinib alone after progression with prior immune checkpoint inhibitor therapy in metastatic RCC. I'd like you to tell me what you think of this study and the results and how they may affect our practice.   Dr. Rana McKay: Absolutely. This was a critically important study looking at the role of IO post-progression on IO. It was a large phase 3 trial that enrolled patients with clear cell and non-clear cell patients. It actually allowed patients with papillary RCC, unclassified RCC, to enroll in the study, whereas most of these studies are excluding patients with non-clear cell disease. Patients had to have progressed on an immune checkpoint inhibitor given either as adjuvant first line or second line, given either as a single agent or in combination with one of the other combos, whether a VEGF or IO. And patients were randomized one-to-one to receive the combination of atezolizumab plus cabozantinib versus cabozantinib alone. And the dosing of the cabozantinib here is at 60 milligrams in the combination, which is the standard dosing of cabozantinib monotherapy. And the primary endpoints for the trial included PFS and OS.   And in essence, this trial was a completely negative study. The primary endpoint, which was centrally reviewed, rPFS, was negative. The hazard ratio there was 1.03. Overall survival was also negative with a hazard ratio of 0.94. And when you look at the subgroup analyses, there really wasn't any specific subgroup that seemed to derive any benefit, potentially those that had a prior response to an immune checkpoint inhibitor, but in essence, a negative study.   And I think these data are really informative because the discussion at ASCO was conducted by Dr. David Braun, and he actually had conducted a very highly scientific Twitter poll to help guide how to interpret the data and what people do. And from that, about 30% of individuals that completed the poll were actually layering on IO therapy, and continuing IO therapy after somebody progressed on therapy layering in a TKI while keeping the IO backbone going.   And I think what this study proves is that we really don't have any really robust data to guide doing that at the present time. And what we may end up doing is compromising the efficacy of the oral TKI or dose-compromising the oral TKI to try to maintain an ineffective IO. And so, I think at the present time these data, while negative, were truly practice-informing. There are other studies that are looking at this strategy as well. I think one of the criticisms here is that atezolizumab really has not had a great track record in renal cell carcinoma in every single context where it was tested, either alone or in combination. It has not met its primary endpoint and it's not utilized as a treatment in RCC. So, there's some discussion that could this be the fact that this is a PDL-1 inhibitor and that it's atezolizumab. And additionally, I think the thing to point out for is that in the modern era if we look at the cabozantinib control arm, cabozantinib in the refractory setting had a PFS of 10.8 months, which is pretty impressive for a later line PFS, if you will. So, there is another study currently ongoing called the TiNivo-2 study that's looking at tivozanib plus nivolumab versus tivozanib alone in a similar patient population. That trial is enrolling only clear cell patients that had progressed on prior IO. So, I think we'll have additional data, but very, I think, informative. I think this question comes up in a lot in other tumor sites as well because of the broad use of checkpoint inhibitors across hematologic and solid tumor malignancies.   Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: I think this was the most informative negative study and the most negative trial I've seen in a while as well. But it did highlight the importance of asking these questions where people assume they know the answer already, and in fact, we often don't, and our assumptions are wrong. So, I thought that was fascinating and very well described.    Staying in the kidneys arena. I'd like to talk to you also about the phase 2 KEYNOTE-B61, that's Abstract 4518. It looked at first-line lenvatinib and pembrolizumab across non-clear cell carcinomas. Tell me what you thought of the trial and what your takeaways were.   Dr. Rana McKay: This is an important study. I think the treatment of non-clear cell RCC has lagged. I guess the advances have lagged behind clear cell RCC, and really robust phase 3 randomized studies in people with non-clear cell histologies are very limited. This was a single-arm phase 2, so I think we need to kind of take that for what it's worth, that enrolled patients who had non-clear cell RCC per investigator that had received no prior systemic therapy. So, this was a frontline study, and patients received pembrolizumab plus lenvatinib until disease progression or toxicity.   The study enrolled a very robust 158 patients, which is pretty impressive for a modern-day non-clear cell cohort. We've seen data from nivo-cabo that had gotten presented previously by Dr. Lee. That study was a single institution, about 40 patients or so if you will. The primary endpoint of this study was objective response rate, and the bulk of the patients that were enrolled were papillary RCC. As you would imagine, around 60% of patients were papillary. It did include around 18% with chromophobe RCC. And when we break things down by IMDC risk category, about 44% of patients were favorable-risk disease. I think the percentage of patients who were favorable is higher than if we were to take an all-comer metastatic RCC patient population.   But the objective response rate was pretty impressive at 49% with this combination. The CR rate was right around 5.7%. So, I think certainly a pretty solid signal of efficacy. But again, this is a single-arm phase 2 study. I think what's also really interesting, and I think we have to take subset analyses with a grain of salt if you will, but there were responses that were seen across all histologies. And the prior nivo-cabo study that I had shared with you had previously done a futility analysis for patients with chromophobe RCC, and that cohort actually closed down. And in this study, the response rate for the chromophobe patients, though it wasn't a lot of patients, 29 patients with chromophobia RCC, was around 27.6%, so I think these data are certainly informative. If you look at the waterfall plot, there were some deep responses that were certainly observed, and the bulk of patients had some degree of tumor shrinkage with very little patients that had primary PD.   Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: It's really provocative. So, are we getting to a point where we might start thinking about randomized trials in the non-clear cell population to try to establish the best standard of care?  Dr. Rana McKay: Well, I think PAPMET2 is currently enrolling patients. That study is looking at the combination of cabozantinib with atezolizumab versus cabozantinib alone for frontline papillary. PAPMET1, which was led by Dr. Pal, I mean, these studies are really magnanimous because it takes all hands on deck to get these patients enrolled because they're few and far between. So, I definitely think we need to be moving in that direction. And I think we need to be moving away from lumping all non-clear cells into one bucket because I think what we're seeing is that, one, the biology of these tumors is very distinct and unique, and they don't all behave the same to any one given therapy. So, we really need to move away from just lumping all non-clear cells into one bucket and try to actually conduct studies for each specific subtype.    Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: Understood and agree. Let's switch gears for a second and talk about prostate cancer. Can you talk about the data from Abstract 5004, the TALAPRO-2 study of talazoparib and enzalutamide compared to placebo and enzalutamide as a first-line treatment with metastatic CRPC that have HR homologous recombination repair gene alterations?    Dr. Rana McKay: Absolutely. So the TALAPRO-2 study is one of three studies that have looked at the combination of PARP inhibitors with an ARSI in the frontline mCRPC setting. And this trial randomized patients to talazoparib and enzalutamide versus placebo enzalutamide. And again, this was first-line mCRPC. Patients were allowed to have received prior docetaxel or prior abiraterone in the castration-sensitive setting, and the primary endpoint was overall survival.  At GU ASCO this year, we saw the top-line data from TALAPRO-2 first get presented. And what was actually presented at this meeting was the subset of patients that were HRR-mutated only. They had two cohorts: an all-comer cohort that was previously presented, and then now they're presenting the subset of the patients that were HRR-mutated. And I think what we've seen across the board is that the efficacy of PARP inhibitors kind of differs by underlying HRR mutations.     When we look at the entire population of HRR-deficient patients, the study was positive, talazoparib plus enzalutamide resulted in an improvement in rPFS compared to enzalutamide placebo. The hazard ratio there was 0.45. And then when we break things down by selected gene groups, they did this subset analysis in patients with only BRCA1, only BRCA2, only PALB2, only CDK12, ATM CHEK2 if you will. The data are most robust for those patients with a BRCA1/2 alteration with hazard ratios of 0.17, 0.19. Again, this is for rPFS.     But then, when we look at some of these other mutations, like ATM CHEK2, hazard ratios are higher, 0.76, 0.90. So, the effect size really kind of drops off for those non-BRCA1/2 altered HRR genes. But if we look across the different subgroup analyses, the interim OS data for the HR deficient, the time to PSA, time to cytotoxic chemo, all of that favored the combination versus placebo enzalutamide for patients that were HR deficient if we just lumped everybody all together.  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: How does this fit into the general landscape around this question with selection versus not selecting for HRR alterations?  Dr. Rana McKay: The data that were presented were for the selected patients, and I think that that's not where the controversy is. I think that the selected patients are the ones that seem to derive the most benefit. It's interesting because in looking at the data from PROpel and the final FDA label based off of the PROpel data, the label is only for BRCA1 and 2 patients and not for all comer HRR. It's even a more restricted label than olaporib monotherapy. So, I think it's going to be interesting. I don't know what the right answer is. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this is going to unfold for TALAPRO-2 and even for MAGNITUDE, if you will, like, how select is the selected population going to be. But at the present time, I think the label is what it is for olaparib plus abiraterone in those BRCA1/2 frontline. My hope is that this population is shrinking because everybody should be getting escalated in the metastatic hormone-sensitive setting, and we shouldn't be having people who are naive to an ARSI in frontline mCRPC.  Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: Understood and agreed.   Dr. Rana Mckay: Well, thank you so much, Jonathan, for joining me today. It's really been a pleasure kind of going through all of the compelling advances in GU cancers from ASCO. I think it was a really exciting meeting, and thanks for your time. Dr. Jonathan Rosenberg: My pleasure. It's been great to talk to you today.     Dr. Rana Mckay: And thank you to our listeners for your time today. 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In deze podcast bespreekt internist-oncoloog Koos van der Hoeven recente ontwikkelingen op het gebied van de behandeling van het niet-kleincellig longcarcinoom. Hij bespreekt met longarts Egbert Smit de resultaten van de CheckMate 9LA-studie die hebben geleid tot een nieuwe behandeloptie: eerstelijnsbehandeling van patiënten met gevorderd niet-kleincellig longcarcinoom met nivolumab plus ipilimumab in combinatie met twee cycli chemotherapie versus chemotherapie alleen. Daarnaast worden de PD-L1-expressie en de consequenties voor de behandeling besproken.Referenties 1. Nederlandse richtlijn Niet-kleincellig longcarcinoom. Te raadplegen via richtlijnendatabase.nl/richtlijn/niet_kleincellig_longcarcinoom 2. Hendriks LE, et al. Ann Oncol 2023;34:358-76. 3. Overleving bij stadium IV-NSCLC zonder TKI-gevoelige mutaties (IKNL 2023). Te raadplegen via iknl.nl/kankersoorten/longkanker/registratie/overleving 4. Reck M, et al. J Clin Oncol 2021;39:2339-49. 5. Jassem J, et al. J Thorac Oncol 2021;16:1872-82. 6. Hellmann MD, et al. N Engl J Med 2019;381:2020-31. 7. Paz-Ares L, et al. Lancet Oncol 2021;22:198-211. 8. Reck M, et al. ESMO Open 2021;6:100273. 9. Paz-Ares LG, et al. J Thorac Oncol 2023;18:P204-22. 10. Gandhi L, et al. N Engl J Med 2018;378:2078-92. 11. West H, et al. Lancet Oncol 2019;20:924-37. 12. Samenvatting van de productkenmerken van Opdivo® (nivolumab). Te raadplegen via www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/opdivo-epar-product-information_en.pdf 13. Advies van de commissie BOM (2021). Te raadplegen via www.nvmo.org/bom/nivolumab-en-ipilimumab-gecombineerd-met-2-cycli-chemotherapie-als-eerstelijnsbehandeling-voor-gemetastaseerd-niet-kleincellig-longcarcinoom/ 14. Van den Heuvel M, et al. Medische Oncologie 2021.Disclosures Prof. dr. E. Smit: Personal financial interests: none. Institutional financial interests: fees have been paid to my institution for speaker engagements and attendance to advisory boards of AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, Bristol Myers Squibb, Bayer, DSI, Eli Lilly, MSD, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi, Takeda, Regeneron, Roche Genentech, Roche Diagnostics. Research support: AstraZeneca, Bristol Myers Squibb, Merck, MSD. PI for clinical studies sponsored by Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Clovis, Cullingan, Eli Lilly, Merck, MSD, Novartis, PharmaMar, Roche Genentech, Takeda. Prof. dr. ir. J.J.M. van der Hoeven: Astellas, AstraZeneca, Bayer, BMS, Daiichi Sankyo, Gilead, Novartis, medisch directeur van Hartwig Medical Foundation, voorzitter Oncomid, lid Adviescollege VIG en lid RVT DICA. 7356-NL-2300020

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Dr. Mohamed Salem, Dr. Myriam Chalabi, and Dr. Andrea Cercek discuss pivotal neoadjuvant immunotherapy clinical trials for patients with MSI-H/dMMR colorectal cancer, focusing on the development of active therapies in the neoadjuvant setting—where patients are treated without surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy—and the importance of patient selection in finding the right target and treatment to improve outcomes. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Mohamed Salem: Hello, and welcome to the ASCO Daily News Podcast. I'm your guest host today, Dr. Mohamed Salem. I'm a GI oncologist at the Levine Cancer Institute at Atrium Health. Today, we will be discussing very promising advancements in the neoadjuvant immunotherapy for patients with MSI-H/dMMR colorectal cancer. And I'm very delighted to welcome two world-renowned oncologists whose research has tremendously helped shape the treatment landscape of colorectal cancer. Dr. Myriam Chalabi is a GI medical oncologist at the Netherlands Cancer Institute, and Dr. Andrea Cercek is a medical oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering in the United States.  Our full disclosures are available in the transcript of this episode, and disclosures relating to all episodes of the podcast are available on our transcripts at asco.org/DNpod.  Dr. Chalabi and Dr. Cercek, welcome to the ASCO Daily News Podcast. Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Thank you for having me. Dr. Andrea Cercek: Thank you very much for having me. Dr. Mohamed Salem: It's a pleasure to have two world-renowned stars like you. Thank you for taking the time.  So, before we start going deep into the topic, obviously, now we are seeing emerging data in CRC using immunotherapy as the neoadjuvant approach, which actually can reduce or even eliminate some of the other treatment modalities and potentially save patients from toxicities. Both of you led what I think are landmark studies in this field. I wanted to give you the chance to tell our audience about your studies and why you think they're important. Dr. Cercek? Dr. Andrea Cercek: Sure. Thank you so much. So, our study was a neoadjuvant study in early-stage, locally advanced rectal cancer with tumors that were mismatch repair-deficient or MSI-H. And rectal cancer normally is treated with chemotherapy, chemoradiation, and surgery. And the goal of the trial was to utilize PD-1 blockade alone in this subpopulation and evaluate the response.  Patients received six months of dostarlimab, which is a PD-1 blocking agent, and then were evaluated for response. If there was no residual disease, they were able to avoid radiation and surgery. And what we've seen thus far in the presentation at GI ASCO in 2022 was that all patients who received six months of dostarlimab had a clinical complete response, so no residual tumor, and were able to avoid chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery and are on observation. And the study is ongoing and actively accruing patients. Dr. Mohamed Salem: All of us were very excited seeing that presentation at ASCO. And when we came back to the clinic everyone was talking about it, including patients, obviously. Thank you for this, Dr. Cercek. Dr. Chalabi, you also led a similar study that was actually presented in ESMO in 2022. Can you please give us, like, a brief description of that trial? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Yeah, sure. So, this is the NICHE trial, and actually the NICHE trial has been ongoing for quite some time now. We recently presented a larger NICHE-2 study, but basically– so what we started out by doing in NICHE is giving patients what we considered back then a window of opportunity study. We treated patients with MMR-deficient tumors, which I'll be focusing on for now, with two cycles of nivolumab and one single cycle of low-dose ipilimumab. And patients all undergo surgery within six weeks of registration within the study. And back in 2020, we published the first data of NICHE-1 showing 100% pathologic responses with 60% pathologic complete responses and decided that this should definitely be a treatment that we need to explore in a larger group of patients. And that's where NICHE-2 was born, which we presented at ESMO last year, where we treated over 100 patients with this neoadjuvant approach of two cycles nivolumab, one single cycle ipilimumab, showing 99% pathologic responses, including 95% major pathologic responses and 67% pathologic complete responses. And this was all within five and a half weeks of the first treatment with immunotherapy, so a very short treatment duration with dual checkpoint blockade. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Amazing results, too. And I know you had a standing ovation when you presented the outcome of the study. And again, congratulations to you, your investigator, and also all the patients participated. Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Thank you so much.  Dr. Mohamed Salem: I guess the first question that comes to my mind - we have two trials, obviously, now we're moving from one size fits all to precision therapy, like getting actually the right treatment for the right patient. But in the NICHE study, it was a checkpoint inhibitor, and the rectal study was a single agent. I want to start with you, Dr. Chalabi. In your opinion, when should we use single agent or double blockade immunotherapy? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: That is a great question. I'm going to start off by saying that I don't know the exact answer. I don't think we know that answer. And Dr. Cercek is going to share also her thoughts on this because we're seeing, of course, fantastic responses with monotherapy as well in Dr. Cercek's study. And we've also seen that in a study by Dr. Overman with monotherapy. So that may suffice in some patients, although what we're seeing is that you need to treat patients longer, probably to achieve that response, at least clinically. And I think that is the difference with dual checkpoint blockade, that we're giving in NICHE where we're seeing these very deep responses in just under six weeks' time.  So, I think it may be more of a question of how long we want to treat patients for to achieve the endpoint that we're aiming for. And, of course, there may be, at some point, patients that need dual checkpoint blockade, but so far, we're seeing great responses in both of our studies. So I think we need more patients, more data to see whether we're going to see non-responders. And hopefully, the studies that are ongoing in the metastatic disease setting will give us at least a little bit of insight into what the differences are in response to mono and dual checkpoint blockade and whether we can tell which patients might benefit more from the combination. But I think there's still a lot of work to be done in that field. Dr. Mohamed Salem: I totally agree. Dr. Cercek, same question to you. What do you think?  Dr. Andrea Cercek: Dr. Chalabi answered beautifully and very comprehensively. I agree completely with what she said. It's hard to argue with the responses that we're seeing with PD-1 blockade alone. But then again, dual checkpoint inhibitors in the NICHE study with just one month of therapy had phenomenal responses as well. So I think it's a question of duration of therapy and, really importantly, what we're trying to achieve. If our goal is organ preservation, then perhaps longer duration is better. The question then becomes, can we do, should we do longer duration with dual checkpoint inhibitors versus single agent? So I think, as she concluded, I couldn't agree more that we just need more information, we need more work to do, basically to answer this question for our patients. Dr. Mohamed Salem: More to come and more studies, which is fascinating.  So, Dr. Chalabi, you created actually a new term on Twitter called ‘Chalabi Plot'. It was amazing to see such a response. But we're curious, among those patients who achieved complete response so far, did you see any relapse? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Short answer, no.  we're waiting, of course on the disease-free survival data, the three-year DFS data for NICHE-2, and we hope to have that by the end of this year, beginning of next year. But as of now, we showed that data, and so far, we haven't seen any recurrences in, actually, any of the patients treated in NICHE-2. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Fantastic. Dr. Cercek. So I think your slide -- I remember clearly from the ASCO presentation -- was all complete response, every single patient.  Same question, did you see any relapse so far? Dr. Andrea Cercek: So far, no, we have not. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Amazing. So, Dr. Cercek, as you know, and obviously, this is metastatic disease, but in KEYNOTE-177, as you know, about 30% of patients with MSI-high tumors did not respond to checkpoint inhibitors. So that makes some of us feel nervous about using checkpoint inhibitors alone in colorectal cancer, even with MSI-high status. I was curious if you can comment on this and if there is a way we can perhaps sort out who actually is likely to respond and who is likely not going to respond. Dr. Andrea Cercek: I think that's a really important question and an excellent point. And we believe that the difference lies in the fact that in KEYNOTE-177, the patients had metastatic disease, whereas in our neoadjuvant studies that we're discussing, they have early-stage disease. And whether that has to do with the tumor differences, young tumors versus older tumors once they become metastatic, or the microenvironment, remains to be determined. But certainly, there is this pattern of incredible responses with checkpoint inhibitors in early-stage dMMR tumors. And in KEYNOTE-177, as you mentioned, about 30% of patients progressed. And I think we don't know why that is. We are seeing this, about a third of progressors repeatedly in the metastatic setting with checkpoint inhibitors. And so perhaps there is a population. But whether this is driven by genomics or something else, we don't know. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Great. So, along the same lines, especially rectal cancer, obviously, because surgical resection is a key component in the treatment paradigm, do you feel patients who achieve pathological complete response should still go under surgical resection or should go under the ‘watch and wait' approach? Dr. Andrea Cercek: In general, I'm a fan of organ preservation. I think in rectal cancer, the reasons are obvious. It's a challenging surgery. It's very toxic to the patients. It changes their lives forever. In survivorship, 30% of them require a permanent colostomy because of the location of the tumor. So there, the field of rectal cancer, in general, is moving towards non-operative management, even in the MSI-proficient patients, by trying to optimize therapy to increase clinical complete responses and therefore omit surgery. So that's the difference with rectal cancer. In colon cancer, it's a different discussion. I think for many patients, surgery is very straightforward. It's a hemicolectomy. It doesn't alter lifestyle in survivorship, so it's not as morbid as it is in rectal cancer. Of course, I think if a patient is older with MSI-deficient tumor perhaps can undergo surgery, then clinical complete responses become critical because then we can monitor them after just checkpoint blockade, and they don't need surgery.  The challenge there, and I would love to hear Dr. Chalabi's comments on this, too, is just that imaging is challenging. We have a hard time in colon cancer determining whether someone has a clinical complete response or not. It seems to be very different than in rectal cancer, where with endoscopy and with the rectal MRI, we really can't tell whether the tumor is still present or not. This remains a challenge in colon cancer. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Dr. Chalabi, I would like to hear your thoughts and also how you practice in Europe. I don't know if it's the same like here in US or different. Dr. Myriam Chalabi: I completely agree with Dr. Cercek. Well, if we look at the rectal cancer patients, I think this is fantastic. That even though this is a small population achieving this high clinical complete response rate, not having to operate or even give any chemotherapy or radiation therapy to these patients, it is extremely important both in the short term but also in terms of long-term complications and morbidity. When it comes to the colon cancer responses that we're seeing in NICHE, those are all pathologic responses, of course. And we have been evaluating also preoperatively using scans to see whether we can assess these complete responses based on imaging. That doesn't seem to be the case. We do see responses in all patients, so we see these are all very large bulky tumors that we're treating in NICHE-2. And we do see responses in almost all of these patients, but it's not close to complete responses, definitely not in all of the complete responders that we're seeing. So that makes it difficult.  And the question is, what if we would be waiting or treating longer because these bulky tumors need more time to disappear or to be cleared before you're going to see it on the imaging? So that is a question that I don't have an answer to just yet. We may be getting some more data on that with the currently ongoing trials. And as Dr. Cercek pointed out, the endoscopies when you have a right-sided colon tumor are different than doing just a sigmoidoscopy for a rectal tumor. So, we actually do have one patient who hasn't undergone surgery, and that is actually a patient with an MMR-proficient tumor within the NICHE trial who had a complete response. And that patient has a sigmoidal tumor, and he actually had toxicities which prevented him from undergoing timely surgery and now has a complete response after two years, both endoscopically and on imaging. So, he hasn't undergone surgery, and that is a great example of how we may be doing this in the future. It's an interesting case within the trial to follow and see how we can do it in the future. Dr. Mohamed Salem: That's fascinating news. So, was it MMR-proficient? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Yes, this is an MMR-proficient tumor.  Dr. Mohamed Salem Wow. Any particular biomarkers that you think he or she had to predict that? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: We have treated more patients with MMR-proficient tumors. We have 31 patients, and we have seen actually responses in 9 out of 31 patients in the MMR-proficient tumors with the same combination of two doses of nivolumab and one of ipilimumab. We previously published on half of the cohort approximately on what the possible predictive biomarkers of response could be, and that was a costimulation for CD8 and PD-1. So PD-1 positive CD8 T cells. And we're currently doing the same work for the rest of the cohort. So hopefully, we'll be able to show that soon and see whether this still stands for the completed MMR-proficient cohort. But definitely also very exciting data for the MMR-proficient. Dr. Mohamed Salem: So, this is actually a very good segue to my next question because I know all of us are looking for this. Like, obviously, we're seeing a fascinating response in those patients with MSI-high tumors, but majority of colorectal cancer, as you know, they actually have MSS-proficient tumors. Any thoughts about how we can overcome the primary resistance for this tumor to checkpoint inhibitors? So let me start with you, Dr. Cercek.  Dr. Andrea Cercek: I'm very much looking forward to Dr. Chalabi's data on this because, honestly, we have not seen such amazing responses to immunotherapy in MSS tumors. The initial studies were complete flatline, no responses at all. And here, she just described a patient that had a complete response to just a month of checkpoint inhibitors. So that's phenomenal, and hopefully, we'll learn from the responders.  We believe that there is a subpopulation of MSS colorectal cancer that is more immune sensitive, immune hot, whichever term you like to use. And it's just a matter of appropriately identifying those patients. And personally, I think the answer lies in the neoadjuvant setting in early tumors where they're treatment-naive, not exposed to chemo, not exposed to radiation, younger, have their innate microenvironment. And so, I think it's likely a combination of the above. But obviously, the ultimate goal is to find out who those patients are and then potentially treat them just like this with immunotherapy. And that would be another nice chunk of the pie where we could utilize immunotherapy for our patients. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Very true. Dr. Chalabi, especially with your experience and just showing there is a chance for those people to respond, what are your thoughts about how we can overcome this primary resistance? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: It's great to be here with Dr. Cercek because, obviously, we have very similar interests but it's also good to see that we think the same way because I completely agree with what she just said in terms of neoadjuvant. I think that was one of the most important things that we did here, giving this neoadjuvant treatment in non-metastatic tumors. It's probably a very important driver in the responses that we're seeing. So, we've been seeing data now a bit more in the metastatic disease setting where MSS tumors seem to be responding to new generations of checkpoint blockade. And the question is how those would do in the neoadjuvant setting that would be even different than what we're seeing now. But there's definitely some proof of MSS tumors that can respond to immunotherapy. The question on how to overcome the primary resistance, I think that question is for us: Who are the patients with primary resistant tumors and why are they primarily resistant? And then we can think about how to change that and how to change them into the tumors that are responding. I think these types of data will be key to understand more and know; hopefully, even you said, in the metastatic disease setting, to make these tumors more pliable in response to immunotherapy. Dr. Mohamed Salem: I agree. So, both of you are leading us toward how to choose the right patient with the right target for the right treatment. That's an amazing journey you're taking all of us on.  So, Dr. Cercek, I have to admit that with your data, it created some problems for us in the clinic because all patients the following day came in asking for immunotherapy. We had a hard time trying to explain that maybe this is not the right treatment for them or, like, not the right platform. But I wanted to ask you, if we'll have a patient tomorrow in the clinic with localized rectal cancer and happen to have an MSI-high tumor, what would be your recommendation in terms of how to approach that patient? Dr. Andrea Cercek: I think, ideally, you would discuss clinical trials with the patient. We have opened the study now to not just rectal cancer but colon cancer and, in fact, all solid tumors that are mismatch repair-deficient. So I think at this time, the patients really should be treated on a clinical trial. As we learn more, in particular, until we are more comfortable assessing for a clinical complete response and follow-up. I think the surveillance piece will be critically important. In rectal cancer, it's well established, but it's not in the other tumor types. So my recommendation would be to enroll the patient on a trial. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Just to add to that too, obviously, as you know, there is now the cooperative group trial that's looking at that option and we obviously encourage all centers to participate and open that study to have this option for our patients. Dr. Chalabi, so what do you guys do in Europe for these patients? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: In Europe, it's a very different situation. I would have answered this question differently by saying, well, we don't have that option of treating patients outside of clinical trials. So basically, we have to make sure that we have clinical trials for these patients. And that's something that we've had for colon cancer patients. That is still the case. And we're getting rectal cancer trials also for patients with MMR deficient tumors and have those also for MMR proficient tumors. For us and I agree completely that we should be treating patients within clinical trials, we don't have another option. But still, even if we did, I think it's important to create data within clinical trials to be able to ultimately also show why this should be standard of care and how we can make it standard of care. Because if you're not accumulating that data, then it's going to become very difficult if accrual is lacking. Now, we treat patients either with standard-of-care treatments, but usually, we try to find something within clinical trials.  Dr. Mohamed Salem: I totally agree. And as we always say, the standard of care should be a clinical trial participation. So, I must say, both of you, Dr. Cercek and Dr. Chalabi, you made 2022 a very exciting year for us in GI cancers. You really changed the way we look at how to treat these patients and give them a huge chance of, I would say, actually cure and obviously organ preservation. So, I'm very curious to know what you are both are working on now and what we should expect in 2023 and 2024.  Dr. Andrea Cercek: So, for me, the study is ongoing, as I mentioned, and we've expanded to all mismatch repair-deficient solid tumors with the same approach of six months of dostarlimab and then the option of nonoperative management. And I think that it'll be important for us to learn in terms of responses on the luminal versus some of the other tumor types, like, for example, pancreas cancer, where we don't see these robust responses in the metastatic setting, that will be important to do. We're doing some correlative analysis, as Dr. Chalabi described as well in our patients.  And then, I'm interested in optimizing neoadjuvant approaches to minimize therapy in rectal cancer specifically. So, we have a study now for HER-2 amplified RAS wild-type patients with locally advanced rectal cancer with a similar approach of utilizing HER-2 targeted therapy first and then in combination with chemotherapy. In our case, it's a combination of trastuzumab and tucatinib and then chemotherapy with CAPOX and assessing for response and potential omission of radiation and surgery depending on responders. So, I'm very excited that study is open and actively accruing, and hopefully, we can get similar responses that we did in the MSI population with PD-1 blockade. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Is that only available at MSK? Dr. Andrea Cercek: It is at this time. However, we will likely be expanding, so if there's any interest, let me know. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Great. I'm sure many centers will be. Great. What about you, Dr. Chalabi? Any sneak peek in the future? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: So many sneak peeks, where to begin? I think it's very exciting to be working in this space at this time, and we're very lucky to be in it. So, for NICHE, we're actually accruing now in new cohorts for both MMR-deficient and MMR-proficient tumors. For the patients with MMR-deficient tumors, we're actually testing a new combination of nivolumab plus relatlimab, so anti-LAG-3 plus anti-PD1. And we're testing the same co-formulation in patients with pMMR tumors. In addition to another cohort for the pMMR tumors with nivolumab, all within this window of opportunity, as we did previously in NICHE, and to see if we're going to see more responses if these are going to be different tumors than the ones responding to nivolumab and ipilimumab. And for the MMR deficient tumors, we're treating longer with this combination now. So, we're operating after eight weeks instead of six weeks. We're giving two cycles, four weekly cycles, to see whether we can even improve the PCR rates, even though this is, of course, a different combination treatment. So, very exciting times for NICHE, and we'll have the readout for the DFS at the end of this year, so that's also very exciting. And then, well, it's similar to Dr. Cercek. So again, we're on the same page when it comes to these neoadjuvant treatments. We have actually an ongoing trial for neoadjuvant treatment of patients with MMR proficient rectal cancers, and that is using a combination of radiation therapy followed by a combination of atezolizumab or anti-PDL1 with Bevacizumab with the aim of organ sparing approach in these patients. And we actually presented stage 1 of this trial as a poster at ASCO GI, showing that we achieved 56% complete or near complete responses clinically at 12 weeks. And after at least a year of follow-up for all patients, we have 50% organ preservation. So those are very exciting data as well. Also, in the MMR proficient tumors, I'm very excited to hear about the HER-2-positive tumors and Dr. Cercek's study. So there's definitely a lot going on that we hope to share as soon as the data are available. Dr. Mohamed Salem: We'll be looking forward to your next presentation and seeing that. So again, most of your work showed us that we really have to choose the right patient with the right target for the right treatment to achieve the best possible outcome. So we're getting short on time here. But before we conclude, ASCO Daily News Podcast has a huge audience of oncologists, I wanted to give you the chance to share anything you'd like to share with our audience today before we finish. Dr. Cercek? Dr. Andrea Cercek: I believe this is an incredibly exciting time in colorectal cancer. I think it's finally our turn, which feels really nice, and obviously, we have a lot more work that needs to be done. But my personal belief is to keep trying to chip away at the pie and identify responders and keep working to have better-targeted drugs and better treatment options that will improve responses and improve outcomes for our patients. But I certainly believe that we are well on our way there, and it's very exciting. Dr. Mohamed Salem: I totally agree. Dr. Chalabi, any thoughts? Dr. Myriam Chalabi: I think after 2022 and the data that we've been showing, I think it's important to– and I think by now, maybe it's not even necessary anymore to say it– but I think it's important to really look at the tumors and look at these MMR proteins or MSI, and to make sure that you're treating the patient in the right way, and to consider that. Before, it wasn't as important in the neoadjuvant setting or these localized tumors, but now it's becoming essential.  And I think if you would have looked five years ago and you would say, yeah, these MSI tumors are important to find, it's a very small proportion of patients, in rectal cancer even lower than in colon cancer. But still, it has such a huge impact on what you're doing in these patients and your chances of cure. So I think that would be my most important giveaway to test for MMR deficiency before deciding on a treatment for your patients. And we're working on trials with neoadjuvant immunotherapy. Also in other tumor types, Dr. Cercek is also doing the same. I think those will be very important also outside of the GI field to see whether this approach works for a much larger patient population, despite the low incidence.  Dr. Andrea Cercek: Dr. Chalabi just made a critical point that that is most important is to remember that we do have biomarkers in colorectal cancer that, in the neoadjuvant setting and in the metastatic setting, especially MSI, that we need to test for. And then, just to add from a clinical perspective, in rectal cancer, the large majority of patients that have mismatch-repair deficient or MSI tumors actually have Lynch syndrome. So really, if you identify a patient that's mismatch-repair deficient or MSI-high anywhere, but especially in the rectum, they absolutely should get germline testing. Dr. Mohamed Salem: I echo that and second that. And Dr. Cercek, thank you, and I know you did a lot of work in colorectal cancer in the younger adult population, too, so I think you've had a huge impact on that area too. I would like to thank both of you again for being here today, but more for the great work you and your teams are doing to advance the field. It's really a very exciting time in GI cancers now, and thank you so much for your work and for sharing your insights with us today on the ASCO Daily News Podcast. Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Thank you so much for having me. It's been great. Dr. Andrea Cercek: Thank you for having me. Dr. Mohamed Salem: Of course, and thanks to our listeners for your time today. If you value the insights that you hear on the ASCO Daily News Podcast, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you very much. Disclaimer: The purpose of this podcast is to educate and to inform. This is not a substitute for professional medical care and is not intended for use in the diagnosis or treatment of individual conditions. Guests on this podcast express their own opinions, experience, and conclusions. Guest statements on the podcast do not express the opinions of ASCO. The mention of any product, service, organization, activity, or therapy should not be construed as an ASCO endorsement. Find out more about today's speakers:     Dr. Mohamed Salem @SalemGIOncDoc   Dr. Myriam Chalabi @MyriamChalabi   Dr. Andrea Cercek @AndreaCercek   Learn about other key advances in GI Oncology: SWOG 1815, PARADIGM, and Other Advances at GI23   Follow ASCO on social media:      @ASCO on Twitter    ASCO on Facebook    ASCO on LinkedIn      Disclosures:   Dr. Mohamed Salem: Consulting or Advisory Role: Taiho Pharmaceutical, Exelixis, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Exelixis, QED Therapeutics, Novartis, Pfizer, Daiichi Sankyo/Astra Zeneca Speakers' Bureau: Genentech/Roche, Taiho Pharmaceutical, Daiichi Sankyo/Astra Zeneca, BMS, Merck Dr. Myriam Chalabi: Consulting or Advisory Role: MSD, Bristol-Myers Squibb/Celegne, Numab Research Funding (Institution): Bristol-Myers Squibb, Roche/Genentech, MSD Travel, Accommodations, Expenses: Roche/Genentech, Bristol-Myers Squibb Dr. Andrea Cercek: Consulting or Advisory Role: Bayer, GSK, Incyte, Merck, Janssen, Seattle Genetics, G1 Therapeutics Research Funding (Institution): Seattle Genetics, GSK, Rgenix          

Dan Otap is a Principal Alliance & Partnerships Lead within Genentech's Research and Early Development unit (gRED). Dan's clinical trial operations and compliance background uniquely position him to provide attuned insight into relational site engagement. Dan serves on various internal Roche/Genentech work streams related to clinical trial execution and innovation. He holds positions with the Association of American Cancer Institute (AACI) as well as the Society of Clinical Research Sites (SCRS). Dan has presented at various clinical research conferences and has authored multiple peer reviewed publications spanning clinical trial topics ranging from Community Oncology Practices, to overall site/sponsor relationships.   Prior to his arrival at Genentech, Dan established his career in oncology clinical trials at various world-leading institutions. His first position was a Research Study Assistant within the Department of Neurology at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (MSKCC). In 2011, Dan was recruited to Columbia University Medical Center to become the Clinical Research Manager within the Department of Neurology, Division of Neuro-Oncology. In 2012, he took on a dual appointment between the CUMC Department of Neurology and the Clinical Research Management Office (CRMO) within the Herbert Irving Comprehensive Cancer Center (HICCC). He was instrumental in the creation of an internal QA/Monitoring Division within the Cancer Center.. He subsequently was appointed as the Associate Director, Regulatory Affairs within HICCC, and oversaw all regulatory submission processes, compliance/monitoring/auditing activities, DSMC/PRMC managers, Multi-Site Operations, and IND Office processes, which assisted clinical investigators with correspondence with the FDA. His last site based position was at City of Hope Comprehensive Cancer Center in Pasadena, CA. where he served as the Executive Director of Community & Affiliate Practices, focusing on development of clinical trial infrastructure across 30+ satellite locations across southern California.

This episode's Community Champion Sponsor is Catalyst. To virtually tour Catalyst and claim your space on campus, or host an upcoming event: CLICK HERE---Episode Overview: Being deeply committed to transforming the way we approach clinical trials with the goal of bringing medical innovations to patients faster and more efficiently, our next guest has been a driving force in improving trial design and execution for over 25 years.Jane Myles, Vice President of Clinical Trial Innovation at Curebase, joins us to share the importance of collaborative problem-solving and openness to new opportunities that is at the heart of her personal success and what helped lead her to Curebase. She also discusses the integration of healthcare and clinical trials, and the potential benefits of data aggregation at scale, leading to more accurate results and avoiding unnecessary tests for patients.Join us as we explore Curebase's exciting journey toward better patient care, and learn how you can contribute to advancing the future of clinical trials. Let's go!Episode Highlights:Jane's journey to Curebase and the power of saying "yes"The DTRA initiative and the playbook for decentralized clinical trials at CurebaseCurebase's flexible solution for clinical trial data capture, patient engagement, and insightsThe tension between drug development organizations and regulatory requirements for population data in drug developmentThe new omnibus legislation driving Curebase's missionThe future of clinical trials and the importance of blending healthcare and clinical trialsData aggregation at scale and making hidden signals more visible About our Guest: Jane has focused on improving clinical trials and patient experience for more than 25 years. Her passion is driving innovation into the trial design and execution to get medicines to patients faster. Currently, she is the V.P. of Clinical Trial Innovation at Curebase, a DCT technology & services provider. She's also an initiative co-lead and a member of the DTRA leadership committee. She worked at Roche / Genentech for 17 years in many roles, including operational program manager for hematology, ultimately working on driving patient-facing technology into global trials. In prior lives, she held various roles in DCT optimization at LabCorp, and ranglobal trials at Lilly and Sanofi.Links Supporting This Episode:Curebase website: CLICK HEREJane Myles LinkedIn page: CLICK HERECurebase Twitter page: CLICK HEREMike Biselli LinkedIn page: CLICK HEREMike Biselli Twitter page: CLICK HEREVisit our website: CLICK HERESubscribe to newsletter: CLICK HEREGuest nomination form: CLICK HERE

Disclaimer: Anything that is express in the following conversation are Michael's views and not necessarily those of Roche / Genentech. Synopsis: Michael Rosenblatt is the Vice President of Clinical Operations at Roche, leading their organization to reduce hierarchy, embrace agility, and increase engagement. Michael has spent the last 11 years between regulatory and clinical operations in late stage development at Roche/Genentech and is currently leading its GI indications from an operational standpoint. He provides his perspective on the clinical operations landscape now and what's changed over the last five-seven years. He shares the technology he's excited by that has the potential to transform R&D and clinical operations. He discusses his role at Roche and some of the transformation underway bringing more treatments and better outcomes to patients everywhere! Biography: Michael Rosenblatt is a Vice President in Roche's late stage clinical operations group (PDG). In this role he is responsible for registrational clinical trials for Roche's Gastroenterology and Hepatology portfolio. He also acts as a mentor and coach for the countries in Roche's Asian operational footprint. In this role he helps to ensure that Roche is taking full advantage of the talent and capabilities in that region. Michael is also part of the team leading the transformation of Roche's Clinical Operations function, moving from a siloed hierarchical structure to a flatter, more agile organization. In this transformation Roche has helped rethink Clinical Operations, enabling talent flow across disease areas and cross-functional projects and empowering teams to make decisions closest to the work and takes. This work is unleashing significant efficiencies and helping Roche reach its goal of bringing new medicines to patients faster. In earlier roles at Roche, Michael oversaw key infrastructure for both the Clinical Operations and Regulatory groups at Roche and helped pioneer early eTMF processes and technology. Prior to joining Roche, Michael was a consultant in IBM's life sciences consulting and business process management practices working with multiple pharmaceutical companies to introduce processes and technology designed to streamline and simplify work across finance, commercial, regulatory and other business units. He has also held numerous consulting, sales, marketing, and operational roles for several other US-based enterprises. Michael is an avid runner and swimmer. He resides near San Francisco, CA with his wife and two boys.

In deze podcast, u aangeboden door Pfizer, bespreken internist-oncoloog prof. dr. Koos van der Hoeven en longarts dr. Lizza Hendriks (MUMC+, Maastricht) het voorkomen van uitzaaiingen in het hoofd bij longkanker, de symptomen hiervan, de behandeling van deze uitzaaiingen en de impact van (de behandeling van) hersenmetastasen op deze patiënten en hun naasten. Disclosures dr. Lizza Hendriks Research funding: Roche Genentech, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda (all institution, Beigene under negotiation); Advisory board: BMS, Eli Lilly, Roche Genentech, Pfizer, Takeda, MSD, Merck, Novartis, Boehringer Ingelheim, Amgen, Janssen (all institution, Roche one time self); Speaker: MSD, Lilly (institution); travel/conference reimbursement: Roche Genentech (self); mentorship program with key opinion leaders: funded by AstraZeneca; fees for educational Webinars: Benecke, Medtalks, VJOncology (self), high5oncology (institution); Interview sessions funded by Roche Genentech, Bayer, Lilly (institution); Local PI of clinical trials: AstraZeneca, Novartis, BMS, MSD, Merck, GSK, Takeda, Blueprint Medicines, Roche Genentech, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Mirati, Abbvie, Gilead. Disclosures prof. dr. Koos van der Hoeven Geen gemeld. PP-LOR-NLD-0037

Gastrointestinal cancer experts Dr. Aparna Parikh and Dr. Kristin Ciombor discuss the treatment implications of the phase 3 PARADIGM trial and other advances in colorectal cancer with guest host and ASCO Daily News Associate Editor, Dr. Shaalan Beg.   TRANSCRIPT Dr. Shaalan Beg: Hello, and welcome to the ASCO Daily News Podcast. I'm Dr. Shaalan Beg, your guest host of the ASCO Daily News Podcast today. I'm an adjunct associate professor at UT Southwestern's Simmons Comprehensive Center and vice president of Oncology at Science 37. I'm delighted to welcome Dr. Aparna Parikh, and Dr. Kristen Ciombor to the podcast today. Dr. Parikh is an assistant professor of Medicine at Harvard University and a GI medical oncologist at the Mass General Hospital Cancer Center. Dr. Ciombor is an associate professor of Medicine and GI medical oncologist at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Today, we'll be discussing exciting new approaches using EGFR inhibitors as frontline therapy in colorectal cancer, and promising advances with immune therapy in the treatment of rectal cancer. Our full disclosures are available in the show notes, and disclosures of all guests on the podcast can be found in our transcripts at: asco.org/podcasts. Dr. Parikh, and Dr. Ciombor, it's great to have you on the podcast today. Dr. Aparna Parikh: Thanks so much. Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Thanks so much for having us. Dr. Shaalan Beg: We've seen some exciting advances in GI oncology this year. Let's start with colorectal cancer. Dr. Parikh, there have been many trials looking to compare EGFR and VEGF inhibitors in colorectal cancer. We've heard about the IDEA studies, the FIRE trials, and CALGB 80405. At the 2022 ASCO Annual Meeting, we heard the results of the PARADIGM trial. Have we finally answered the question of when to use EGFR inhibitors as frontline therapy for colorectal cancer? Dr. Aparna Parikh: Thanks so much, Dr. Beg, for this great question. It has been a really exciting year for colorectal cancer across the board. So, the anti-EGFR story is really interesting and has evolved. And maybe just for a little bit of background, we know that colorectal cancer originating from both the right and left side of the colon differ. So, they differ embryologically, and epidemiologically; there are different genetic and molecular aspects to right and left sides of colon cancers. And we have learned over time that in the era of targeted therapy, the primary tumor location has been found to play a very important role, not only in the prognosis of patients but to predict treatment response. We know that patients that have left-sided colon cancers-- and when we think about left-sided colon cancers, we think about cancers that originate from the splenic flexure and descending colon, sigmoid colon, rectosigmoid junction, and sometimes include the rectum in this as well. The rectals have slightly different molecular features than distal colons. And we know that these left-sided patients, overall, have better survival benefits than patients that have right-sided CRC. And that includes again, cecum, ascending colon, hepatic flexure, and transverse colon. So, we know that that had prognostic implications, but what about the predictive implications? And with ASCO, we saw some really exciting data with the PARADIGM study, as Dr. Beg highlighted. We have seen many examples in the past showing the predictive power of anti-EGFR therapy, and anti-EGFR therapy showing a detriment for patients on the right side of the colon. But all these results historically have been obtained by retrospective analysis. So, retrospective analysis of the pivotal CALGB 80405 study, which is the first-line biologic trial. FIRE-3, which is a similar study, but done out of Europe, and KRYSTAL. So all these studies show the same finding but were all obtained basically by retrospective analysis. And what we saw with PARADIGM this year, which is exciting to see, is that this was the first prospective trial to test the superiority of an anti-EGFR inhibitor panitumumab versus bevacizumab in combination with standard doublet first-line chemotherapy for patients that were RAS-wild type. I guess I forgot to mention that again, anti-EGFR therapies are only eligible for patients that are RAS-wild type. We know that RAS-mutant patients and RAS, KRAS HRAS patients don't respond to anti-EGFR therapy. So, the study was looking at RAS-wild type patients, and again, asking the question “was panitumumab better than bevacizumab in combination with chemotherapy for these RAS-wild type patients and for left-sided tumors?” It was a multicenter trial done in Japan-- and I always commend the Japanese on their work and their designs and ability to do these studies that ask really important questions. And, overall survival was the primary endpoint of the study in patients with left-sided tumors, but they also did a full set analysis including patients that didn't have left-sided tumors. They had 823 randomized patients. Many patients, a handful did not receive per-protocol treatment, and some were excluded for other reasons relating to inclusion criteria. And they had 400 patients that ultimately received panitumumab and 402 patients that received bevacizumab in the full set analysis. And of those patients, there were 312 and 292 respectively had left-sided tumors. And although the PFS was comparable between the treatment group, we saw that panitumumab in the left-sided patients actually did improve the OS in both patient populations. But when you looked at the left-sided tumors, the difference was 37.9 versus 34.3 months meeting statistical significance. So, this was an exciting study because it confirmed prospectively what we have seen time and time again, and really behooves us to do early biomarker testing and know RAS status early for these patients with right-sided tumors, as they do derive benefit from anti-EGFR. Maybe I'll just pause there and open it up for more questions or comments from Dr. Ciombor as well. Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Yeah, Dr. Parikh, I thought these data were encouraging. And as you mentioned, the first prospective data that we have in this setting now that we know this primary tumor sidedness matters. Just on a practical note, what do you do in practice? Do you give a lot of anti-EGFR in the first-line? I find that the toxicity can be challenging sometimes and patients may not want to do that. So, it leaves us in a quandary sometimes. Dr. Aparna Parikh: Yeah. So, what's interesting and I don't think we have this data clearly answered yet is, I had, especially for kind of a fit patient-- with the previous data that we've seen with TRIBE and others showing a survival benefit with triplet chemotherapy for first-line therapy, my inclination had actually been to prefer triplet-- and we know that triplet and anti-EGFR toxicity-wise is really, really tough to manage, and really no benefit there that we've seen with OS or PFS, even though you maybe do get a little bit of a better response rate with that. And so where I have sort of struggled is triplet versus just doing first-line doublet plus anti-EGFR. You know, we are not having a discussion about triplet today, but we also saw some data at ASCO showing that perhaps the benefit of the triplet, with the triplet study, is not as much as we had hoped it would've been too. So, it's a good question. I do tend to prefer triplet, I guess, overall, for the healthy, good performance status patient. And then, if not, then doublet. And we, unfortunately, don't have kind of rapid EGFR testing, we're pushing for that. In practice, I think having RAS/RAF status up front would be entirely helpful. It's lumped into our pan-tumor profiling, comprehensive genomic panels. We get microsatellite instability (MSI) status, which I know we'll talk about here next right away. But I think another reason that oftentimes we don't add it right away, is because we don't have the RAS status right away. So, you just start with a doublet and you may end up sneaking it on later. And then, I'd love to, maybe in another podcast, where we can discuss second-line anti-EGFR therapies and what people do in practice for those right-sided patients should they never get anti-EGFR and later-lines of therapy too. And I would argue, perhaps not, because we do see some patients that do benefit, but it can be challenging sometimes with a fresh new patient to make these decisions. But at least, feel encouraged that we're doing the right thing by adding anti-EGFR therapy if they can tolerate it for the left-sided RAS-wild type patient. How about you? What do you do? Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Yeah. Largely, it's a great question. And I don't love giving anti-EGFR therapy. We have an additional issue where I am geographically in that we don't ever give cetuximab because of the high rates of an infusion reaction. So, we pretty much stick to panitumumab and are glad to have that option. But I have started to talk to patients about toxicity and I'm really upfront with the survival data. And it's interesting how people choose differently in terms of what's important to them. And whereas a few extra months in the overall survival may be overshadowed by the toxicity that they have to go through to accomplish that. So, it's good to have many options though, and that's the important thing, and I think the takeaway, as well. Dr. Shaalan Beg: So, kind of brings it back to the fundamentals of practicing medicine, right? Bringing our patients and giving them the options that are most available to them. But I'm going to ask both of you one by one: So, if we have our patient with left-sided colorectal cancer, known as KRAS RAS-wild type, do you recommend EGFR therapy and VEGF therapy and allow the patients to decide, or do you feel that we decide if their profile is such that we should continue with VEGF therapy instead? Dr. Ciombor, do you want to go first? Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Yeah, I think both are good options. I don't only do bevacizumab in the first-line by any means because we do have that survival data. It mostly comes down to a discussion with the patient in terms of toxicities and survival and how well those balance out. Dr. Aparna Parikh: Yeah, very similar. I think we have also gotten a little bit more adept at managing toxicity. I'm pretty aggressive about prophylaxis with even doxy and topicals for managing the rash. And so, for some of my younger patients who are wanting to be "aggressive" and want the exposure to anti-EGFR early but are still very mindful of how it's impacting their day-to-day semblance of self, especially for the younger patients, try to be very proactive about side effect management. And then, of course, we have the patients that have the electrolyte wasting and things too that sometimes if it's bad, we are stuck with infusions frequently and you may end up dropping for those patients. But I think the rash at least I feel like for most patients we can manage if you're aggressive about it too. And I think we have gotten better at that than we were many years ago. Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Never thought we'd be dermatologists, did we? In training, that was definitely not a path I was good at. Dr. Shaalan Beg: Dermato-Oncology, rapidly growing field. So, Dr. Ciombor, the rectal cancer space has evolved very rapidly in recent years, especially when we hear about total neoadjuvant therapy, short-course radiation, watch-and-wait, for those with complete clinical responses. So at ASCO this year, we heard results on immune therapy and rectal cancer. Can you summarize where we are with immune therapy and rectal cancer? Dr. Kristen Ciombor: So, yes. We heard a lot this year at ASCO; both at ASCO GI and ASCO, from the Memorial group and Dr. Cercek's group. And this has been a really exciting advance that we're starting to see and potentially paradigm-shifting data. So, we know-- as you mentioned, that our treatment of rectal cancer, specifically, locally advanced rectal cancer has changed a lot in the last few years with a shift to more Total Neoadjuvant Therapy. And what the Memorial data showed was that for the patients who have microsatellite instability or mismatch repair deficiency, which admittedly, is a small group, but certainly ones that we see in clinic, those patients, on their trial were treated with six months of dostarlimab as neoadjuvant therapy prior to any other treatment; before radiation, surgery, et cetera, and no chemotherapy. And what they found was that actually, six months of dostarlimab in the first 14 evaluable patients actually induced a 100% clinical complete response rate. So, it's really unheard of in most of our trials to see 100%. And I think that caught everyone's attention for sure. I think we have to keep in mind who these patients were and are because they are currently being followed. So, for instance, these were patients that had pretty bulky node-positive disease, almost all these patients did. These were not really early-stage tumors. We did see that 100% were BRAF-wild type, so it does tell us maybe this is not completely the population that we're all seeing when we do see microsatellite instability since we see a lot of sporadic tumors with BRAF mutations. But on the whole, I mean, these were all MSI-high patients and treated with dostarlimab; the six months, that was the total amount of treatment that they received, though a few patients achieved that clinical complete response earlier at about three months, at the three-month reassessment. And what the clinical complete response rate was, was looking both radiographically, as well as endoscopically, and not seeing any sign of residual tumor. I think the important thing here is that median follow-up is still pretty short. There are a few patients who are approaching now two years past that dostarlimab therapy and have not had tumor recurrence, but overall, the median follow-up is still quite short. So, I think we do need to continue to follow these patients. We don't have overall survival data yet either. I think we still have a lot to learn, but this is a very encouraging start and certainly, something that could be really treatment-changing for these patients, which again, as Dr. Parikh was saying, we need this molecular profiling early to make treatment decisions right off the bat, not even only for metastatic now, but even for these locally-advanced rectal cancer patients. Because if you think about it, we've all taken care of patients who have to go through chemoradiation, and chemo, and surgery, and have a lot of morbidity from those treatments so that even if you cure them, they're left with a lot of toxicity. So, if we could avoid some of that, even potentially, surgery, that would be wonderful. But I do caution that this is not the standard of care yet. This is only based on 14 patients with short follow-ups at the current time. But the trial is ongoing, and there are other trials open in this space for patients who don't live in New York or can't get to New York. And for instance, ECOG-ACRIN study 2201 is treating these same patients with nivo and ipi, as opposed to dostarlimab. And that trial is open in about 80 sites now across the US. So hopefully, geographically near all of these patients. Dr. Shaalan Beg: I think a lot of us and a lot of our listeners, that Monday after the results were announced on ASCO had our phone lines and our patient secure messaging lines blowing up. Dr. Kristen Ciombor: We should have warned our nurses and our treatment teams that they would be fielding these questions, yes. On one hand, it's wonderful that our data and the science is getting out to patients. But I think we also have to be really careful as to what is reaching them because many of them didn't realize it was for this subset of patient populations. But great that they're asking those questions and wondering-- being advocates for themselves too. Dr. Shaalan Beg: You use the term clinical complete response. Can you talk about how we determine someone has a complete clinical response and what their follow-up looks like? Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Yeah. In the context of this study, it was actually, as I mentioned, it was both radiographic complete response, as well as endoscopic. So that's one thing that is a little bit tricky when you think about surveillance of these patients. So, it requires a lot, both in frequent surveillance, MRIs, FLEX SIGs often, digital rectal exams, sometimes doing PET scans or CTs, and patients who-- not only on this kind of study but also in non-operative management; watch-and-wait - really have to commit to very close, very frequent follow-up because if the cancer recurs, we don't want to miss that and lose our chance to cure them. So I think that's a little bit different everywhere, how that watch-and-wait approach really manifests, but I think we're learning how to do that, and working in a multidisciplinary group to make sure that patients get the surveillance that they need. Dr. Aparna Parikh: Yeah. I totally agree. If we offer, for the MSI-high patients, if we ultimately end up offering neoadjuvant immunotherapy-- and actually, I'm looking forward to your study, Dr. Ciombor, too, I think the monotherapy versus doublet, too, is going to come up for these patients. But I had a patient just a week or two ago that was starting on this approach with neoadjuvant immunotherapy, but for now, as a group, if we're proceeding down that and they do get a clinical complete response, we're deciding to forego even the radiation and surgery. We're following what they did in the OPRA study, which was pretty aggressive surveillance on the backend, both with direct visualization and MRIs, and you're seeing these patients every three months or so. Dr. Shaalan Beg: Well, thank you Dr. Ciombor and Dr. Parikh for sharing some valuable insights with us on the podcast today. Dr. Aparna Parikh: Thanks so much for having us. It was a lot of fun. Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Thanks for having us on. Dr. Shaalan Beg: And thank you to our listeners for your time today. If you value the insights that you hear on the ASCO Daily News podcast, please take a moment to rate, review and subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. 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Follow today's speakers: Dr. Kristen Ciombor @KristenCiombor Dr. Aparna Parikh @aparna1024   Dr. Shaalan Beg @ShaalanBeg Listen to additional episodes on advances in GI oncology: Novel Therapies in GI Oncology at ASCO22 ASCO22: Key Posters on Advances in GI Oncology Follow ASCO on social media: @ASCO on Twitter ASCO on Facebook ASCO on LinkedIn Disclosures: Dr. Shaalan Beg: Employment: Science 37 Consulting or Advisory Role: Ipsen, Array BioPharma, AstraZeneca/MedImmune, Cancer Commons, Legend Biotech, Foundation Medicine Research Funding (Inst.): Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca/MedImmune, Merck Serono, Five Prime Therapeutics, MedImmune, Genentech, Immunesensor, Tolero Pharmaceuticals Dr. Kristen Ciombor: Consulting or Advisory Role: Merck, Pfizer, Lilly, Seagen, Replimune, Personalis Research Funding (Inst.): Pfizer, Boston Biomedical, MedImmune, Onyx, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Merck, Novartis, Incyte, Amgen, Sanofi Recipient, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Array BioPharma, Incyte, Daiichi Sankyo, Nucana, Abbvie, Merck, Pfizer/Calithera, Genentech, Seagen Travel, Accommodations, Expenses Company: Array Dr. Aparna Parikh: Stock and Ownership Interests: C2i genomics Consulting or Advisory Role: Eli Lilly, Natera, Checkmate Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer, Roche/Genentech, Inivata, Biofidelity, Guardant Health Research Funding(Inst.): PMV Pharma, Plexxikon, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Genentech, Guardant Health, Array, Eli Lilly, Novartis Pharmaceuticals UK Ltd., PureTech, Mirati Therapeutics, Daiichi Sankyo

In this episode of Meeting Mic, we bring you pearls and perspectives from the 2022 ASCO Annual Meeting, as well as Healio's top headlines from the meeting. Stephen M. Ansell, MD, PhD, discusses efforts to identify new upfront treatment regimens to help extend OS in patients with relapsed or refractory classical Hodgkin lymphoma. :25 Lorenzo Cohen, PhD, shares his thought on the impact of acupuncture regimens on xerostomia and patients' quality of life. 5:26 Bradley J. Monk, MD, discusses the results of a study on the use of rucaparib monotherapy among women with advanced ovarian cancer 10:37 Christopher Manz, MD, MSHP, provides an overview of the results of the randomized PROStep trial, which assessed whether remote patient-reported symptoms and passive activity monitoring could improve patient-clinician communication about symptoms and functional status of patients with cancer. 18:09 Luke Maese, DO, discusses the results of the Children's Oncology Group AALL1931 study, its rationale, the potential implications of the findings and the questions that must be addressed in future research. 21:04     Read the full coverage here: https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20220603/firstline-brentuximab-vedotin-regimen-extends-os-in-advanced-classical-hodgkin-lymphoma https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20220609/acupuncture-benefits-patients-with-radiationinduced-xerostomia https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20220606/rucaparib-shows-efficacy-as-firstline-maintenance-therapy-in-ovarian-cancer https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20220610/more-work-to-do-in-oncology-to-collect-useful-data-about-symptoms-functional-status https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20220611/intramuscular-recombinant-erwinia-asparaginase-active-safe-in-leukemia-lymphoma-subsets Dostarlimab shows efficacy as curative-intent treatment in rectal cancer subset Source: Cercek A, et al. Abstract LBA5. Presented at: ASCO Annual Meeting; June 3-7, 2022; Chicago. Trastuzumab deruxtecan extends survival in HER2-low metastatic breast cancer Source: Modi S, et al. Abstract LBA3. Presented at: ASCO Annual Meeting; June 3-7, 2022; Chicago. Disclosures: Ansell reports research funding to his institution from ADC Therapeutics; Affimed Therapeutics, AI Therapeutics, Bristol Myers Squibb, Regeneron, Seagen and Trillium Therapeutics, and honoraria from Research to Practice and WebMD. Cohen reports no relevant financial disclosures. Monk reports relationships with Clovis Oncology, Merck, Roche/Genentech and several other pharmaceutical companies. Manz reports no relevant financial disclosures. Maese reports consultant and speakers bureau roles with Jazz Pharmaceuticals.

Many potential living organ donors have questions, such as what does the journey look like, and how do you know if you are eligible to donate? If you are one of them, this podcast is for you. On this episode, our panel will share the first-hand experience of being a living donor and walk you through the evaluation process.   In this episode, you will hear from: Tania Kasongo Tania was born in the Democratic Republic of Congo and raised in Ohio. She is very passionate about health and wellness. She is a living kidney donor and donated her kidney in 2014 for her father. Tania graduated from The Ohio State University with a degree in Mass Communications and a minor in French. She works as an Events Marketing Manager for the American Chemical Society, and has her own event planning business, Yowa Events. In her spare time, she enjoys volunteering and is very involved in her community. She has volunteered for various organizations such as New York Cares, Ronald McDonald House charities, Nationwide Children's Hospital, Habitat for Humanity, and many more. She is also a strong advocate for diabetes, kidney health, and organ donation. Other activities Tania enjoys are exercising, traveling, cooking, and horticulture. Jennifer Bruns, LMSW Jennifer is a social worker who has worked with kidney patients for the past 23 years in the fields of dialysis, transplant and inpatient care. Jennifer has also served on the executive committee for the Council of Nephrology Social Workers and she is a living kidney donor. Miriam Goodwin Miriam is the Director of Health Policy for the National Kidney Foundation (NKF). In this capacity, she helps to define and execute NKF's public policy agenda with the federal government, working closely with patients, patient advocates, and professionals to ensure that public policy has the priorities of kidney patients at its center.  Prior to joining NKF, Miriam was a member of the policy team at Roche/Genentech, where she worked to shape the Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA) commitments for the PDUFA V and PDUFA VI reauthorization cycles.  Miriam earned her MPP from the George Washington University and a BA in biology from Earlham College. She is also a living kidney donor.    Further resources on living donation: General Information on Living Donation How do I donate a kidney? Infórmate Acerca de la Donación de Riñón en Vida para Hispanos/Latinos (Learn About Living Kidney Donation for Hispanics/Latinos) For additional information, visit kidney.org/livingdonation.   

Leading Medical Affairs (MA) organizations have begun to strategically redefine their team's requisite executional capabilities to enhance and tailor frontline engagement initiatives, to improve the impact of knowledge development (insights and evidence generation), and to further solidify their position as a vital leader rather than a support function within the biopharmaceutical industry. These executional capabilities ultimately accelerate the time to market, creating a competitive advantage as well as (and most importantly) maximizes the number of patients reached with life-saving treatments. Dr. Tamas Suto is passionately dedicated to improving the lives of patients and public health as evidenced by his decades in not only direct patient care, but also in industry spanning the commercialization process from identification of a drug candidate through the end of the lifecycle of a compound. His extensive experience in large pharma as a global executive in MA leadership at Sanofi, Amgen, and Roche/Genentech prior to his current position as SVP., & Head of Global MA Oncology at Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany underpins his well-founded and impressive vision of the critical capabilities of the MA team. Dr. Peg Crowley-Nowick, Founder and President of Zipher Medical Affairs, guides Dr. Suto in this podcast in sharing the paramount yet foundational competencies for impactful individual contributions in each of the four key elements of the MA team pursuits: insights, evidence generation, stakeholder engagement, and medical leadership. 

Guest host, Dr. Neeraj Agarwal, ASCO Daily News editor-in-chief and director of the Genitourinary Cancers Program at the University of Utah's Huntsman Cancer Institute, discusses the practice-changing KEYNOTE-564 and SWOG 1500 trials with Drs. Toni Choueiri and Sumanta "Monty" Pal. Dr. Choueiri is director of the Lank Center for Genitourinary Oncology at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Dr. Pal is co-director of City of Hope's Kidney Cancer Program and associate editor of Cancer.Net. (This episode was recorded on 11/18/2021) Transcript Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Hello, and welcome to the ASCO Daily News podcast. I am Dr. Neeraj Agarwal, the director of the Genitourinary Oncology Program, and the professor of Medicine at the University of Utah Huntsman Cancer Institute, and editor-in-chief of the ASCO Daily News. I'm delighted to welcome two internationally recognized leaders in the field, Dr. Toni Choueiri and Dr. Sumanta (Monty) Pal, for a discussion about two practice-changing studies in kidney cancer published this year-- KEYNOTE-564 and SWOG 1500. As a quick introduction, Dr. Choueiri is the director of Lank Center of Genitourinary Oncology at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. He's also the Jerome and Nancy Kohlberg Chair, and professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School. Dr. Sumanta "Monty" Pal is a professor in oncology, and co-director of City of Hope's Kidney Cancer Program, and he is an associate editor of cancer.net of ASCO. Our full disclosures are available in the show notes. And disclosures relating to all episodes of podcasts can be found on our transcripts at ASCO.org/podcast. Toni and Monty, what a day it has been for our patients with kidney cancer. I woke up with the news of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval of the first ever adjuvant immunotherapy for patients with renal cell carcinoma. It is so great to have you both on the podcast today.   Dr. Monty Pal: Glad to be here. Thanks, Neeraj.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Thank you, Neeraj. So glad to be here.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: So, let me start by asking questions to you first, Toni. So, you recently published the primary results of the phase 3 KEYNOTE-564 study, showing the efficacy of adjuvant therapy with pembrolizumab and immune checkpoint inhibitor in patients with renal cell carcinoma. And this study led to the approval of pembrolizumab this morning. So, please tell us more about the study design and why did you do this study.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Thank you, Neeraj. And thank you, really, ASCO for this wonderful podcast series. And a big hit, I always listen to them when I'm driving or jogging. And really, thanks for this opportunity because kidney cancer adjuvant therapy has been something like a holy grail we're trying to find for a long, long time. The first adjuvant trial, a randomized trial, in renal cell cancer was in 1973 with radiation therapy. And since that time, all the trials except for one have been a complete failure in a way. And the first adjuvant immunotherapy trial was with old immunotherapy cytokine that we don't use much anymore and was in 1992. I was not done with medical school. I was not actually done with high school at that time, let alone medical school. And now that we have, as we all know, a revolution in the oncology field through these immune checkpoint inhibitors that reinvented immunotherapy in cancer, and now that pembrolizumab has shown activity in patients with more advanced disease, we thought about taking this into the adjuvant setting, a setting of patients where they were subjected to surgery. But on the pathology report, we knew that their risk of this cancer coming back, of recurrence, is somewhat intermediate high or high. These are patients that have stage 2 but grade 4, stage 3, D3, D4. These are patients that had node-positive resected. And we took even patients where the kidney is out, but, also, they had a removal of a metastatic site--let's say a lung metastasis--within a year of removing the kidney. And we know these patients we refer to as M1NED are at quite high risk of recurrence. And we randomly assigned 994 patients to receive pembrolizumab for a year versus placebo. And after a median follow-up of only 2 years--so I want to insist here that this is short for any trial in general--we saw a decrease in the risk of recurrence or death. The hazard ratio for disease-free survival was 0.68. So, a 32% decrease in the risk of recurrence or death. We looked at safety, and we already are familiar in the field of GU oncology with pembrolizumab. And we didn't see when we looked at the safety profile any surprises, any enhanced toxicity. Of course, immune-related adverse events are the number one concern with pembrolizumab. There were no deaths on trial related to pembrolizumab. We saw around 7% of patients needing high dose steroid to medicate these immune-related adverse event, and some patients had to come off therapy for that. We also took a look, Neeraj, an early look, at overall survival. We only had 25% of events, 51 deaths. And we did not meet the very rigorous statistical significance that is needed to say that study is positive for overall survival. But the hazard ratio was 0.54, a 46% decrease in the risk of death, which is kind of encouraging. And after a year, the curve starts to separate. Before a year, they're not separating. And that is consistent with prior studies in general.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: This is a very interesting point you just raised, that DFS, disease-free survival, is strongly positive. And even overall survival is trending in the right direction, right?   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Correct.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: That's great. So obviously, I would like to raise another point here. When we talk about adjuvant study, we usually think about a localized kidney cancer, which is removed by the surgeon, and then [the] patient is coming to see us for treatment in adjuvant setting. But this study, I would like to highlight, as you said, also included patients who had oligometastatic disease, had successful surgical removal of the oligometastatic disease, and they were also eligible for this trial.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Yes, absolutely. And I think this is somewhat on the recent side in clinical trials in kidney cancer. The reason for that is that, in practice, we see those patients. And we even had two small trials in the TKI era with sorafenib and pazopanib, small studies, were also completely negative. So, we thought here that we should not exclude these patients. They end up being 6%, 7% of all participants, but this remains an area of unmet medical need.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: So, how is the hazard ratio in those patients who had metastatic disease removed and then treated with pembrolizumab?   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Yeah, it was very low. It was 0.2, so 0.29. And this was great to see. I don't want to go into really over-interpreting these results. All the hazard ratio--when you look at subgroup analysis or in the forest plot, all the hazard ratio are less than 1. We didn't see something--let's say 1.5--in favor of pembrolizumab. Now you go into a smaller subgroup, then your confidence intervals are very large and hard to interpret, except that to say, look, on average there could be a significant benefit here, but we can't tell.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Sure, absolutely. I agree with you. So, how this is going to affect the current treatment paradigm, which is for patients with newly diagnosed metastatic RCC, where combination of VEGF-TKI plus immunotherapies (IOs) or IO/IO combinations have become standard of care or treatment paradigm?   Dr. Toni Choueiri: I do believe it will be a standard of care currently in the right population. There are a lot of unanswered questions, but that will be answered hopefully with more follow up. We have already, beside these results, reported--so these results were reported in the plenary session at the 2021 ASCO [Annual Meeting]. But later on, another analysis dealing with patient-reported outcome and quality of life was reported at ESMO and also showed no detriment in quality of life--that's the voice of the patient--no detriment with pembrolizumab (pembro). There is a lot still to do and a lot of unanswered questions, such as the non-clear cell histology, those patients who had surgery of their metastatic disease more than a year. But most important, I think, two questions. One, how can you know from the get-go who are the patients that need adjuvant pembrolizumab? We do not have any valid ctDNA. And I know Dr. Pal was involved with a lot of these type of research. We don't have any ctDNA test that is really that faithful and sensitive in the MRD space in renal cell. Many of us are working, so we don't know. We may end up over-treating patients that need surgery only. And actually, we may end up under-treating patients that need, perhaps, pembro, and another drug. And the second thing in those patients--and I hope it does not happen, but unfortunately, it will to some extent--whose tumor progress on adjuvant pembrolizumab, what do you do? What's the treatment paradigm? And actually, there is no data. This is a data-free zone. And I would think somebody whose tumor progressed, tumor continued to grow or grows, while they're actively on pembrolizumab, on IO, is way different than someone whose tumor comes back after 2 or 3 years from stopping the drug. Should we treat them with the same drug? Should we treat them with the TKI plus IO? Luckily, there are trials that are ongoing in patients whose tumor progressed after PD-1/PD-L1 inhibitor to give them a TKI as a control arm, or a TKI plus an immune checkpoint inhibitor. And I know Dr. Pal is very heavily involved with such trials. So, hopefully, we will answer this question, but not anytime soon.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Very interesting, and definitely new results are posing new challenges in how we practice medicine here in the coming future. So, Monty, you are leading a trial with a very similar trial with atezolizumab. And I'm really hoping, we are all really hoping, that we see the other trial being positive, so we have more treatment options for our patients.   Dr. Monty Pal: I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, I definitely think that Toni's study really adds a lot of fuel to the fire suggesting that this strategy of adjuvant immunotherapy may be successful in localized renal cell.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: And I'm not going to really delve into the side effects of pembrolizumab and atezolizumab because these drugs are used quite often. They are in widespread use for different types of cancer. But just a quick question, any safety signal, Toni? Did you see any safety signal with pembrolizumab in this patient population?   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Yeah, this is an excellent question. So, nothing that would be different than using pembrolizumab overall knowing in other diseases as a single agent. So, this drug not first in human, as you know, and it's been approved in combination or as a single agent in many diseases. A tumor that the three of us treat is bladder cancer, and we know from another study how to use pembrolizumab. I think that the use of corticosteroid is somewhat of an objective way, at least to me, in looking at immune-related adverse event. And it has been between 5% to 10%, so we're not way off here. But there is no doubt that there are patients that we had no death on trial attributed to drug that may have, with pembrolizumab, some serious toxicities. We had patients that had autoimmune diabetes, hypophysitis, pneumonitis--quite uncommon, but not impossible.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: We'll still need to keep an eye for that, basically.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: No doubt.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Yes. So, changing gears, let's talk to you, Monty. You recently presented the primary results of the SWOG 1500 trial in patients with metastatic non-clear cell renal cell carcinoma. Could you please tell us why you did this study and how this study's design was unique compared to similar studies in this setting?   Dr. Monty Pal: Yeah. No, absolutely. Toni did a great job of outlining areas that are sort of free of data in the adjuvant space, particularly with immunotherapy. I think that data-free area for us in kidney cancer for a long time has been non-clear cell histology. We just don't really know how to treat them. And I actually got advice from Toni when I was devising SWOG 1500. We planned it out as a very simple study comparing sunitinib and cabozantinib. And Toni will remember this history well. It sort of went through several iterations. The study blossomed into a six-arm trial. Ultimately, it turned into a four-arm study, looking at sunitinib versus cabozantinib versus two other MET inhibitors--savolitinib and crizotinib. And ultimately, the study was boiled down to essentially what we'd originally proposed. Two of the MET inhibitors--savolitinib and crizotinib--failed to surpass that initial analysis for PFS. So, ultimately, we demonstrated a superiority with cabozantinib over sunitinib for progression-free survival.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: So, what is the current treatment paradigm for patients who have newly diagnosed metastatic papillary RCC now?   Dr. Monty Pal: I think for patients who don't have genomic selection, I think that cabozantinib remains the standard. I really want to champion- and maybe Toni can talk a little bit more about this--a study that Toni is leading called the SAMETA trial, which I think has a really innovative design. And it's going to be genomically characterizing patients and randomizing to savolitinib with durvalumab or sunitinib. Tell me, Toni, if I have the design right there.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Yes. Actually, this is a specific study in a specific population. It's not in papillary RCC as much as in those 30%, 40% of papillary RCC that have MET-driven tumors, so MET alteration, whether through chromosome 7 duplication, through chromosome 7 trisomy, through mutation or amplification. These patients will get either control arm or they will get savolitinib, which is a pure MET inhibitor that is devoid of VEGF-related toxicities, savolitinib plus durvalumab, or durvalumab alone. So, two experimental arms and one control. And the reason for this is we saw activity and quite a good toxicity profile with savolitinib, a pure MET inhibitor, over sunitinib in an earlier trial that was sunitinib against savolitinib in selected patient populations. The study had to close early. So, despite the numerical difference, this was not statistically significant. And then in another study led by Dr. Powles and colleagues, there was also some interesting activity how durvalumab could augment that activity. So, we're launching a phase 3 trial with three arms that you described very well.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: That's wonderful. So, what are the next steps, Monty? I mean, this is amazing to see you designing an investigator-initiated trial. This was your concept. You designed it. You built this to be a huge multicenter trial, which was open across the country, funded by the National Cancer Institute. And congratulations for making that happen. It's rare for us to see these trials going from a concept stage to a national trial, and then changing the standard of care. So, what are the next steps now for you and your team in SWOG for papillary RCC or metastatic papillary RCC? How do you build out further with the backbone of cabozantinib?   Dr. Monty Pal: I really appreciate the question, Neeraj. It's so critical to understand that we're just not quite done yet. Toni's study, as I've mentioned, is incredibly innovative. I'm also really thrilled to be working with someone who you've mentored so well, Ben Maughan, at the Huntsman Cancer Institute in Utah. And he's actually designed a brilliant study, which we're going to be leading together, which looks at cabozantinib with or without atezolizumab. Recently, in a study that you and I and Toni were a part of that we just published in JCO, we actually saw quite impressive response rates with the combination of cabozantinib and atezolizumab in patients with papillary RCC, around 47%. Those response rates were actually replicated in a separate study run by Joe Lee at Memorial Sloan Kettering. In the context of papillary disease response rates were again above a threshold of around 40%. So, I think there's something to it. But until we really subject this to randomization, I think we're not going to know whether or not cabo plus IO is standard. So, I encourage everyone to consider Toni's study. I encourage everyone to look out for our trial of cabo plus or minus atezo, which should be rolling out next year.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: What is the name of the trial, or the number, for our audience?   Dr. Monty Pal: Yeah, we lucked out with another great number. We got 1500 for the first trial. This is going to be SWOG 2200. So SWOG 2200, and I think it's due to open maybe in the first quarter of 2022.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: That's fantastic news. Any new signal? We know cabozantinib is already approved for our patients with metastatic RCC, courtesy METEOR trial led by Dr. Choueiri. Toni, it's amazing to see how many times you have changed standard of care for our patients with metastatic RCC. So, any new safety signal of cabozantinib in this patient population with metastatic papillary RCC?   Dr. Monty Pal: Nothing that appreciated. The toxicity profile was pretty much on par with what you'd anticipate for cabozantinib in the setting. Major side effects were hypertension, hand-foot syndrome, [and] diarrhea. Nothing that really sort of stood out relative to what we would expect in a clear cell population of patients.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: That's great. Any final messages for our patients, for our audience, for our listeners?   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Well, let me start, and maybe Monty can add. It's been, and it hopefully will continue to be, this humbling experience, where median survival from metastatic RCC in mid-2000--not long time ago during our training--has been 1 year. And now in metastatic disease, it's 4 to 5 years. And that is only going to get better. And then it's even more humbling to be in a time where you can talk about adjuvant treatment in this disease, renal cell cancer, that continues every year to kill, unfortunately, 14,000 Americans. That's just in the U.S. alone. So, we have to continue in getting more targets, more drugs, more reasonable combination, and the right patient, whether through specific biomarker that are tissue or blood-based or specific liquid biopsies that can tell you who has and who doesn't have cancer at the microscopic levels.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Thank you. How about you, Monty? Any final message for our audience?   Dr. Monty Pal: I couldn't have summarized it better than Toni, just such a wonderful statement around optimism for what we've achieved so far and what's yet to come. And if I could emphasize to anyone in the audience today the need to keep progressing the field further with clinical trials, I think that would be my underlying message.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Thank you again, Toni, Monty, for your valuable insights and thoughts. Thank you for all the inspiration. This is indeed so inspiring to see your work, which is changing the lives of our patients on a daily basis. Our listeners will find links to your studies in the transcript of this episode. I wish you all the best.   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Thank you.   Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: And thank you to our listeners for your time today. If you enjoyed this episode, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you so much.   Disclosures: Dr. Neeraj Agarwal: Consulting or Advisory Role: Pfizer, Medivation/Astellas, Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca, Nektar, Lilly, Bayer, Pharmacyclics, Foundation Medicine, Astellas Pharma, Exelixis, Pfizer, Merck    , Novartis, Eisai, Seattle Genetics, EMD Serono, Janssen Oncology, AVEO, Calithera Biosciences, MEI Pharma, Genentech, Foundation Medicine, Gilead Sciences Research Funding (inst.): Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Takeda, Pfizer, Exelixis, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Calithera Biosciences, Celldex, Eisai, Genentech, Immunomedics, Janssen, Merck, Lilly, Nektar, ORIC Pharmaceuticals, ORIC Pharmaceuticals, crispr therapeutics, and Arvinas   Dr. Sumanta (Monty) Pal: Consulting or Advisory Role: F. Hoffmann LaRoche, F. Hoffman Research Funding (inst.): Eisai, Genentech, Roche, Exelixis, Pfizer Travel, Accommodations, Expenses: Genentech, Seattle Genetics   Dr. Toni Choueiri: Employment: Dana Farber Cancer Hospital Leadership: Dana Farber Cancer Hospital, NCCN, KidneyCan, ASCO, ESMO Stock and Other Ownership Interests: Pionyr, TEMPEST Honoraria: NCCN, UpToDate, Michael J. Hennessy Associates, ASCO, Harborside Press, Analysis Group,                AstraZeneca, Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Sanofi/Aventis, Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Genentech/Roche, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck          , Novartis, Peloton Therapeutics , Pfizer, Corvus Pharmaceuticals, Ipsen,                 Foundation Medicine, Eisai, PlatformQ Health, Clinical Care Options, Navinata Healthcare, Kidney Cancer Journal, Exelixis, Prometheus, Lpath, NEJM, Lancet Oncology, Cerulean Pharma, alligent, EMD Serono, HERON, Lilly, Janssen Oncology, IQvia, Aveo, and NCI. 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Dr. Stephen Liu, associate professor of medicine and director of Thoracic Oncology and Developmental Therapeutics at the Georgetown Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center, highlights key abstracts in lung cancer featured at the 2021 ASCO Annual Meeting.   Transcript:  ASCO Daily News: Welcome to the ASCO Daily News Podcast. I'm Geraldine Carroll, a reporter for the ASCO Daily News. My guest today is Dr. Stephen Liu. He is an associate professor of medicine and the director of thoracic oncology and developmental therapeutics at the Georgetown Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center. Dr. Liu joins me to highlight advances in lung cancer featured at the 2021 ASCO Annual Meeting. Dr. Liu has served in a consulting or advisory role for Genentech, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca, among other organizations. His full disclosures and those relating to all episodes of the podcast are available on our transcripts at ASCO.org/podcasts. Dr. Liu, it's great to have you on the podcast today. Dr. Stephen Liu: Thanks for having me. ASCO Daily News: Dr. Liu, a lot of people were talking about the IMpower010 study during the annual meeting. That's abstract 8500, an interim analysis that showed really promising results for patients with resected non-small cell lung cancer. Can you tell us about this practice-changing study? Dr. Stephen Liu: Well, IMpower010 was a global randomized phase III trial, and I think this really was one of the highlights of the ASCO Annual Meeting from a lung cancer standpoint. As a reminder, our current standard of care is cisplatin-based chemotherapy for patients with resected stage II to III non-small cell lung cancer and for select patients with stage IB. We know from decades of experienced multiple phase III trials, large meta-analyses, that the risk of recurrence is quite high for resected stage II/III lung cancer. And the use of up to four cycles of cisplatin-based chemotherapy does lead to an improvement in survival, and that's our standard of care. That survival improvement, however, is modest, with an absolute improvement and 5-year survival of about 5%. And so we've been trying to improve outcomes in this setting for quite some time. We know from last year's ASCO that the subset of patients whose tumor harbors an EGFR mutation received some benefit from disease-free survival with the use of adjuvant osimertinib. IMpower010 presented at this year's ASCO by Dr. Heather Wakelee looks at the use of immunotherapy as a complementary adjuvant therapy. And we knew from press release that this study had met its primary endpoint. This was our first chance to look at the data first-hand and really see how it would impact practice. And I think the data were quite impressive. It's a fairly simple design. This study included patients with completely resected stage IB to IIIA non-small cell lung cancer, either histology. Note that this used AJCC version 7, and so the stage IB that were included had a size of at least four centimeters, and that's the subset that seems to derive the most benefit from chemotherapy. Now patients received cisplatin-based chemotherapy one to four cycles first. And those who received at least one cycle of chemotherapy were then randomly assigned 1 to 1 to receive 1 year of atezolizumab, PD-L1 inhibitor, or best supportive care. This was a large study, over 1,000 patients randomly assigned. It began enrollment in 2014. So it did include some EGFR and some ALK when maybe we didn't know quite as much about including those patients in these studies, but the EGFR was about 12%, the ALK was 3%. Some were unknown EGFR and ALK status, but these were likely the squamous histology, as those numbers line up. The PD-L1 testing, importantly, was done by the VENTANA SP263 assay, looking at tumor cell expression only, which is a fairly straightforward assay. And what we saw after a median follow up of almost 3 years was that in the primary high-risk population stage II to IIIA resected non-small cell lung cancer with the PD-L1 expression of at least 1%, the use of adjuvant atezolizumab significantly improved disease-free survival. And the hazard ratio there was 0.66. If we look at the 2-year disease-free survival (DFS) rate, it improved from 61% with best supportive care to 75%, and at 3-year DFS from 48% to 60%. So an improvement in the 3-year DFS rate and a hazard ratio of 0.66. The fourth plot showed that signal was greater in node-positive. As expected, no signal in that ALK subset, though it was small. But this is a pretty substantial improvement in disease-free survival. When we look at these Kaplan-Meier curves, they split immediately, really right at the first scan. And when we look at a study like this, this phase III trial, it reminds us how poor our current standard is; how many patients do suffer relapse and recurrence and death from this potentially curable cancer. Atezolizumab clearly improving outcomes in this subset. We then saw analyses of the resected stage II to III across PD-L1 strata, so positive and negative. And there the hazard ratio, as expected, less impressive, 0.79. If we look at the forest plot there, the hazard ratio for PD-L1 high, using that 50% cutoff we're used to, was substantial at 0.43. So overall, the DFS and PD-L1 positive 0.66 and the PD-L1 high 0.43. So no report on the PD-L1 low, which is what we're waiting for, that one at 49%, presumably not as impressive as 0.66. And we'll wait for those data to come out. But PD-L1 positive, a clear benefit. PD-L1 high, a substantial benefit. That's really where the formal analyses stopped. The stage IB to IIIA overall population was too immature for analysis, and overall survival was not yet formally tested. This will take a few years to breathe out. They did provide an early look at overall survival. And in that stage II to IIIA PD-L1 positive, there was the right trend, with a hazard ratio of 0.77, though not statistically significant. We did see these curves start to come apart at about 12 to 18 months, which is what you would expect if this study ultimately would lead out to be positive. We do want to wait for OS results. But one has to wonder, is a DFS benefit this substantial enough to change practice? And atezolizumab not yet approved in this setting, but the trial did meet its primary endpoint. And to me, for PD-L1 positive, and certainly for PD-L1 high, I do think these data aren't practice- changing. ASCO Daily News: Absolutely. Well, another trial that attracted a lot of attention was the CheckMate-816 trial. That's Abstract 8503. What can you tell us about the surgical outcome data reported in CheckMate-816? Dr. Stephen Liu: So CheckMate- 816 was a randomized phase III trial that looked at neoadjuvant therapy. So this also focused on resectable lung cancer. This is an area where we hope for cure, but for some of the more advanced stages, we don't necessarily expect it. Much room for improvement. We saw the IMpower010 data showing adjuvant immunotherapy improved DFS. Here we're looking at the neoadjuvant space. And at AACR in 2021, Dr. Patrick Forde presented some of the early PCR results. And that showed the pathologic complete response rates with neoadjuvant nivolumab plus chemotherapy for three cycles was superior to chemotherapy alone for three cycles. So the addition of nivolumab to chemotherapy improved the pathological CR rate from 2% to 24%. Really astounding. What Dr. Jonathan Spicer presented at ASCO 2021 were the surgical outcomes from that study. And we see that adding immunotherapy to chemotherapy significantly improves the pathologic CR rate. Does it come at a cost? Does it lead to more surgical complications? This is always a concern with neoadjuvant therapies. We've got someone in our clinic with a resectable lung cancer. If we mismanage that patient, we may lose the window for resection. So we always worry about delayed surgeries, canceled surgeries, more complicated surgeries. There have anecdotally been reports of increased perihilar fibrosis after neoadjuvant immunotherapy. Wouldn't that lead to longer, more complicated surgeries? And what we saw, frankly, was a bit surprising, for me. Surgery consistently easier, better in the experimental arm really across the board. The rates of going to surgery, completing surgery, 83% with nivolumab/chemotherapy, versus 75% with chemotherapy. So more patients going to surgery, fewer canceled surgeries. If we look at the type of surgery, minimally invasive surgery rates 30% with nivolumab/chemotherapy, [and] 22% with chemotherapy alone. Conversion to open thoracotomy was more common in the chemotherapy alone at 16%, the additional nivolumab 11%. And the complete R0 resection was achieved in 83% with nivolumab/chemotherapy, 78% with chemotherapy alone. Adverse events delayed surgery in six patients getting nivolumab and chemotherapy. It's important to watch that. But it was nine patients in getting chemotherapy alone. And if we look at the duration of surgery, and certainly there are many confounders in a statistic like this, but the surgery was shorter with nivolumab, certainly not lengthening the surgery. 184 minutes for nivolumab/chemotherapy, 217 [minutes] with chemotherapy alone. So these data are very reassuring to someone with a potentially resectable cancer. And I think that when I take a step back and look, maybe these results do make sense. Maybe this is what I should have expected. If we give a treatment that is more effective, that is a higher response rate, it works better. Those patients are less likely to have progressive disease, and the surgery should be more straightforward if there's less cancer to resect. So the CheckMate-816 surgical data, we've been waiting for this shoe to drop, and it was very reassuring. Perioperative immunotherapy is going to be an important part in the management of stage II/III non-small cell lung cancer in the years to come. Now going forward, we'll need to compare these adjuvant and neoadjuvant approaches and the relative merits of either strategy, but these results, I thought, were very reassuring. ASCO Daily News: Excellent. Well, moving on to the PACIFIC trial, Abstract 8511, this study reported improvements in 5-year overall survival and progression-free survival for unresectable stage III non-small cell lung cancer. What are your takeaways from this study? Dr. Stephen Liu: Sure. The PACIFIC study is a randomized phase III trial that's really set our standard of care for unresectable stage III locally advanced non-small cell lung cancer. This is a group where our standard of care, historically, has been concurrent chemoradiation, with the goal of cure, though, unfortunately, not necessarily the expectation, with recurrence rates quite high. We saw years ago the addition of 1 year of durvalumab improved progression-free survival, then ultimately improved overall survival compared to placebo. This was a fairly straightforward study. It enrolled unresectable stage III non--small cell lung cancer after chemoradiation, who did not have evidence of progression after completing therapy, to receive 1 year of durvalumab or placebo, a 2 to 1 randomization. The results markedly positive, leading to U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval and really our new standard of care. These are long-term survival data, and it was presented by Dr. David Spigel. These are really important. Immunotherapy, the whole appeal of the strategy is the durability, the induction of memory T cells, meaningful long-term survival. Will this increase the rate of cure really is what we're going for. And when we saw the survival benefit with durvalumab, we knew that we were curing more patients. Long-term follow up is important to make sure that we don't have late recurrences, that we really are curing and not just delaying a recurrence for some patients. And in this analysis, with a 5-year follow up, we see durvalumab improve the median survival from 29 months with chemoradiation alone to 48 months with the addition of durvalumab. That's a hazard ratio of 0.72, 28% reduction in the risk of death, pretty substantial. That 5-year survival rate was 43% versus 33%. And importantly, these were very similar to the 4-year data that were presented by Dr. Corinne Faivre-Finn at World Conference in Lung Cancer, really very little drop off between year 4 and 5. And we refer to that as flattening of the tail, where the events are early, and at some point, they kind of stop happening. It's really what we want to see. While survival is what we hone in on, in an abstract like this, we also need to pay attention to progression-free survival (PFS). And the PFS rate at 5 years was 33% with durvalumab, versus 19% with chemoradiation alone. So 33% with no evidence of progression at 5 years. And if you are cured from lung cancer, then you can't have progression. So one in the three patients with no progression at 5 years, I think, is very reassuring, that PFS hazard ratio of 0.55. So prior to ASCO21, durvalumab was our standard of care. Now we just have longer term follow up to really solidify that choice. These are important data for patients and families to set expectations right, but our clear standard. Still, though, room for improvement in that 5-year PFS rate of 33%. We would like to see that higher, and ongoing strategies hopefully will help push that up. ASCO Daily News: Excellent. Some great survival data in the PACIFIC trial. Well, Abstract 9007 sparked a lot of interest as well. This is an expansion study of patritumab/deruxtecan in patients with EGFR-mutant non-small cell lung cancer. That's a difficult drug to pronounce, so I'm sure you'll do a better job. What can you tell us about this? Dr. Stephen Liu: Well, yeah, all these antibody drug conjugates do have tricky names, and so they are kind of fun to say. So patritumab/deruxtecan is a HER3 antibody drug conjugate. I suspect it will be better known as HER3-DXd, a little easier off the tongue. This was a study that looked at this agent in patients with EGFR-mutant non--small cell lung cancer after TKI therapy. And when we turn our attention to targeted agents, we have really transformative drugs with very wide therapeutic windows, little toxicity, very high efficacy, [and are] really game changers in patients with driver positive non--small cell lung cancer. But as we know, these treatments aren't cures. And we do expect resistance to osimertinib. The third generation TKI has been pretty heterogeneous. And once patients progress in osimertinib, the next standard therapy really is chemotherapy. And there's a bit of a drop off, with more toxicity, [and] less efficacy overall. So this remains an unmet need. Many studies are looking at different strategies there. We've seen the addition of MET inhibitors if MET is amplified for certain subtypes, RET, BRAF, for example, the addition of the targeted agents. This study, Abstract 9007 presented by Dr. Pasi Janne, looked at the HER3-DXd antibody drug conjugate. So patritumab/deruxtecan has a monoclonal antibody targeting HER3, a proprietary linker, and then a topoisomerase 1 warhead. And this was a phase I study that looked at 57 patients with EGFR-mutant lung cancer after TKI therapy mostly, but 90% were coming off of osimertinib. And what we saw, I thought, was very encouraging. This is a small, early study. These are very selective patients. But the response rate here almost 40%, disease control rate 72%, and the median progression-free survival with monotherapy of patritumab/deruxtecan was 8.2 months. These numbers may change as the studies get larger, but there's a clear signal of efficacy for patients who'd received chemotherapy before and then moved on to patritumab/deruxtecan. The response rate didn't really drop off, 37%. So even those that were more heavily pretreated, we're seeing a clear signal with response rates that really are higher than chemotherapy. What was, I think, most important, we saw efficacy of patritumab/deruxtecan across multiple different mechanisms of resistance. And so it wasn't one biomarker select. It really was active, very versatile agent. And really, I think that's what we need. While biomarker-driven resistance will be something we always hone in on and try to focus, we do need something that's much more versatile for rapid implementation. And this is having a lot of potential. [It was] very well tolerated. If we look at treatment-emergent adverse events, only one person stopped from a TEAE. Only 4% stopped due to TEAEs, so very well tolerated treatment. Response was also durable. One response listed was after 4 years of therapy, and so the potential for long-term disease control, long-term responses. So clearly an active drug. This is an area where we need a lot of drug development. Well tolerated, only 4% stopping due to adverse events and a nice signal of activity. Our next steps will be to make this a larger study to look in more patients to really hone in on the mechanisms and where this really is working. Can we widen that therapeutic index? And can we look at combinations? Is there a role to continue TKI with this, maybe for better CNS coverage or activity? That's what we'll see in the years to come. ASCO Daily News: Excellent. Well I'd like to ask you about a trial that you were involved in, the ARROW trial, Abstract 9089. Can you tell us about this impactful study? Dr. Stephen Liu: Yeah, sure. The ARROW trial is a study that I've been a co-investigator on for many years. This was presented by Dr. Giuseppe Curigliano. And this looks at a RET inhibitor called pralsetinib, originally when we first got involved called BLU-667. RET fusions are present in about 1% of non- small cell lung cancer. These are important events, because we know from other studies, such as the immunotarget registry led by Julien Mazieres,  that RET-positive lung cancers don't seem to respond as well to immunotherapy. However, in the past, the kinase inhibitors, the targeted agents we had the targeted RET, weren't very good. They had response rates around 30%, 40%, a lot of toxicity. These are drugs like vandetanib, cabozantinib. With the introduction of selective RET inhibitors, we've seen striking efficacy and much better tolerability. And we now have two approved RET inhibitors in this space--selpercatinib and pralsetinib--both receiving FDA accelerated approval based on their respective single arm studies. What we saw at ASCO 2021 from Dr. Curigliano was an update on the RET fusion positive lung cohort of ARROW. Again, this was a phase I/II trial looking at pralsetinib given at a dose of 400 milligrams by mouth once daily. We look at the patients with RET fusion-positive lung cancer. Now we just have longer follow up and more patients. And overall, the cohort exceeded 200 patients, so 216 patients for a pretty rare driver. And the response rate, 69%, very durable. The duration of response, 22 months. So really solidifying the efficacy and confirming the role in patients with RET fusion-positive lung cancer. If we break those data down a little bit, patients who had prior chemotherapy, which was 125 patients, response rate was 62%. The disease control rate, 91%. These responses are quick. The median time to responses is 1.8 months, so really that first scan. And that's what we see with targeted therapy. And we look at these waterfall plots, and I encourage you to take a peek at that. It's exactly what we want to see, the vast majority of patients, almost all patients, with some reduction and some with a quite substantial reduction. Again, the disease control rate after chemo was 91%. So really, the waterfall plot has that look that we seek for effective targeted therapy. The outcomes were even better in the first-line setting. Response rate originally 79% as first-line therapy. But the way the trial was originally written, it only included frontline patients who weren't eligible for chemotherapy for whatever reason. So that's going to be a more selective cohort. That was changed with an amendment. And once that was removed for people that were eligible for whatever frontline therapy you wanted to give, really our real world first line cohort, the response rate was 88%, disease control rate of 96%. So to think of a response rate in almost 90% of patients really gives us that confidence we want when we have a driver that we detect when we start a new agent. We're very confident that we're going to see efficacy in these drugs, very well tolerated, very few patients stopping due to a adverse event. A disease control rate of 96% in that first-line setting gives me the confidence to really use this in the first-line setting. ASCO Daily News: Absolutely. Well, as you know, the Annual Meeting this year focused on equity in cancer care. And there were a number of studies presented in the lung cancer space. I just wanted to get your thoughts on how this issue was addressed at the Annual Meeting in the lung cancer setting. I'm thinking of Abstract 9005 that looked at racial disparities. What are your thoughts on this issue? Dr. Stephen Liu: Yeah, this was an important abstract, I think. And the theme that Dr. Lori Pierce set of equity really was met by several different abstracts and was a recurrent focus for many important and really overdue discussions. Abstract 9005 was presented by Dr. Debora Bruno, and this really looked at disparities in biomarker testing. And we just talked about advances for EGFR-mutant lung cancer for RET fusion-positive non--mall cell lung cancer. We have many, many more, but we can only offer these agents if we know the target is present. And if we don't do proper biomarker testing, our care will not be optimal. If we don't know the molecular genotype of the cancer, we can't treat it properly. We are just guessing, and we're much more likely to deliver an ineffective therapy. We are potentially making subsequent therapies more dangerous. Knowing the right biomarker is critical to the proper management of non-small cell lung cancer. And if we don't have that, the outcomes will not be as good. The testing really is critical for the management of lung cancer. And what we saw from this abstract was there are disparities in how patients with non-small cell lung cancer are being tested, which simply isn't acceptable. This was a retrospective analysis that looked at Flatiron data, recent data, 2017 to 2020, a large data set, almost 15,000 patients with non-small cell lung cancer. Demographics were 66% white, 9% Black. If we look at biomarker testing specifically, patients who were Black were less likely to be tested, less likely to have proper biomarker testing, 73% versus 76%, less likely to have full next generation sequencing with a 10% difference, and less likely to get tested early. We know that testing really influences treatment from the jump right away. And if we don't have that information, our outcomes won't be as good. Our Black patients weren't being tested properly, weren't being tested in a timely manner. And more data showed that clinical trial participation was also decreased among Black patients, 4% involvement for white patients, 2% with Black patients. And these were actually very similar to what we saw in Abstract 9001 that was presented by Dr. Akinboro from the FDA. And that looked at patients who'd received chemoimmunotherapy. This was a pooled analysis looking at different PD-L1 cohorts. And what was noted on the demographics is that in the phase III registrational landmark studies, Black patients only represented about 2% of patients there as well. So strikingly similar numbers and a gross under-representation. It really is inexcusable and something we need to address. And we need to correct, because this is showing that our care is simply not up to par.  Trial participation is how we move the field, but many cases, especially in lung cancer, a field that moves so quickly, a clinical trial often represents the best possible option. And Black patients simply aren't enrolling in studies. And I think some of the disparities in clinical trial participation likely reflect some of the disparities in clinical trialists. And I think that if we continue to improve diversity in our workforce, in our oncology subspecialty, that'll be an important step into rectifying this. But this is something we need to look at critically. We need to assess all of our processes and think how we can do better today, and not tomorrow. ASCO Daily News: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Dr. Liu, for highlighting these really critical points and sharing your valuable insight on all of these impactful studies in lung cancer. Thank you so much. Dr. Stephen Liu: My pleasure. Thanks for having me. ASCO Daily News: And thank you to our listeners for joining us today. If you enjoyed this episode, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.   Disclosures: Dr. Stephen Liu Consulting or Advisory Role: Genentech, Pfizer, Lilly, Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca, Takeda, Regeneron, G1 Therapeutics, Guardant Health, Janssen Oncology, MSD Oncology, Jazz Pharmaceuticals, Blueprint Medicines, Inivata, PharmaMar, Daiichi Sankyo/UCB Japan, BeiGene, Amgen, Turning Point Therapeutics, Elevation Oncology, and Novartis Research Funding (institution): Genentech/Roche, Pfizer, Bayer, Merck, AstraZeneca, Blueprint Medicines, Lilly, Rain Therapeutics, Alkermes, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Turning Point Therapeutics, RAPT, Merus, Elevation Oncology, and Erasca, Inc Travel, Accommodations, Expenses: AstraZeneca, Roche/Genentech, and MSD Oncology   Disclaimer: The purpose of this podcast is to educate and to inform. 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In this episode, Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko, lung cancer specialist at the Winship Cancer Institute at Emory University and chair of the 2021 ASCO Annual Meeting Education Program, discusses the diverse ways that cancer care equity will be featured during #ASCO21.   Transcript ASCO Daily News: Welcome to the ASCO Daily News podcast. I'm Geraldine Carroll, a reporter for the ASCO Daily News. My guest today is Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko, a lung cancer specialist at the Winship Cancer Institute at Emory University. Dr. Owonikoko serves as the chair of the education program of the 2021 ASCO Annual Meeting. And he's here to tell us about the diverse sessions that will be featured this year. Dr. Owonikoko reports no conflicts of interest relating to our discussion today. His full disclosures and those relating to old episodes of the podcast are available at asco.org/podcast. Dr. Owonikoko, it's great to have you on the podcast today. Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Thank you. Glad to be here. ASCO Daily News: Health equity is the major theme of this year's Annual Meeting. And as you know, ASCO's President, Dr. Lori Pierce, has been focusing on patient care equity during her term. Can you tell us about how the concept of cancer care equity has been incorporated into the education program this year? Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Thank you very much. I actually want to use this opportunity for us to thank all the ASCO volunteers, who spent countless hours putting together a very educational program for the Annual Meeting. It's very difficult for me to come out and say [that] this is the best session to go to. I think all of the sessions are very important and educational. The challenges that we've faced with COVID-19 that is making this a virtual meeting, actually, I think is an opportunity for people to be able to participate in all these sessions. Having said that, there are some sessions that we intentionally placed within the Education Program based on how important we felt these topics were to our patients, to their caregivers, family members, and also to ASCO members. We want sessions that focus on various aspects of health equity from individual patient interaction with their providers, to patient experience within the larger context of how health care systems are built, and how we deliver care. Some of the sessions that I really encourage members to listen to and participate in will be--there is a session that is going to bring diverse viewpoints from across the world, not just in the U.S. We want to see how oncologists practice in a limited resource setting, how they go about taking care of patients, and how they are able to use the challenges that they face as a stepping stone to bring the best care forward for that patient. So we have this session where we're going to have a speaker from Uganda in Africa. We have another speaker from Pakistan representing the Asian viewpoint. We are going to have a speaker who will speak to delivering care to the inner city population here in the U.S. And that session will also have a speaker that will discuss how we take care of our patients within the Native American community here in the U.S. So you're going to see these diverse viewpoints that we feel will shed light on the important point that Dr. Pierce has been trying to make with the presidential theme, that we need to focus on every patient, everywhere in terms of equitable care delivery. ASCO Daily News: Intersectionality in cancer care is a topic that has been getting more attention over the past year. How will this issue be addressed during the Education Program? Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: We've talked about determinants of health outcomes for patients. How we look at all of these issues in isolation, whether it's gender, sexual orientation, race or ethnic background, rural versus urban, big city versus small towns, and different regions of the world. There's actually now this emerging consensus that a lot of these factors actually do not stand alone. There is an intersection of where someone lives and what type of access they have to health care--where someone lives and what type of care providers, someone's gender, and their socioeconomic status influencing the outcomes of care that they get. So this session on intersectionality, I think will really bring this to the forefront of our discussion about how to address health inequities--that we don't want to focus on one issue at a time. All these issues are important and they are interrelated. I think this type of session will help all of us to understand that there's a lot going on that determines the outcome for patients, especially for patients with cancer. One additional session I want to highlight, which is also very important to the presidential theme is the session on viruses and cancer. While there is this pandemic with the COVID-19 virus that we are very aware of, what we also did not want to lose sight of is the fact that viruses are etiology for cancer. This has been a topic that we've been struggling with for decades. And now that everyone is paying attention to the COVID-19 virus and development of a vaccine to prevent the infection or make the severity less for those who eventually get infected, I think we also need to bring that focus back to what viruses have done as etiology for different types of cancer--from either neck cancer to cervical cancer to liver cancer. And bringing this session together which speaks to how viral infection could be a key driver of the geographical differences in incidence of cancer around the world, I think will be very important for ASCO members and the general audience attending the meeting. ASCO Daily News: Absolutely, well you spoke about the pandemic and of course today health care inequality is more relevant than ever. As you say, the pandemic has disproportionately affected people of color, so clearly changes must occur if the oncology field if it is to make strides in improving outcomes for patients of color, increasing representation in clinical trials, for example, improving access to precision medicine and more. So what do you hope that people will take away from this meeting, that will stay with them in the months and years ahead? Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Yeah, I'm very hopeful that at the end of the Annual Meeting, with all the offerings we have in terms of educational sessions and topical issues that we want to address and some of them very provocative, we will learn that we have to be honest and open. Some of these issues are not easy to discuss, but we have to confront them if we are going to get past that, and not just brush them aside but actually have genuine discussion and be open about what the challenges are. I think that, when we look at the impact of cancer care delivery and the disparate outcomes that we see across different minority communities, including people of color, this doesn't just start from where you're delivering care, it also has to do with how we actually develop treatments that are given to patients. And nothing brings that to the surface [more] than what we've observed in terms of participation of people of color in cancer clinical trials. I know that this is a vaccine issue it's not something that I just started today, but we have to then become more systematic as to how we address it. If we are going to develop drugs that are going to be applicable to all populations, we have to be intentional in making sure that we have equitable and fair representation of all people, and that the treatment would be applicable too, so that we can start learning right from the beginning of the earliest stages of drug development. Whether there are unique differences in the way these drugs work, whether there are cultural influences that would determine whether or not the way we want to administer the drug is going to have any impact. And I want to use this to highlight one session that we have put together that's going to talk about minority patient enrollment in clinical trials. This session is not about the problem. We all recognize what the problem is. This is actually a session that is meant to show potential solutions, where we invited experienced investigators in this area to talk about gaps in how we conduct clinical trials, and what can be done to improve that process. They will talk about communications and blind-spots that we as oncologists and investigators may not even be aware of when we talk about clinical trials and we want someone to participate--what are the things that we can do to make sure that we convey the information about this study in a culturally appropriate manner, so that our own attitude of presenting the trial does not alienate and discourage participation from people of color and other minority groups? And then, there will be a talk about a real world experience of a large trial where key factors led to success in recruiting people of color on a large randomized phase III trial of prostate cancer that will be shown and shared with the audience. And people can take this back home to their individual practices and countries to see whether or not some of these strategies will also be applicable to them to help get around this problem of poor enrollment of minority patients in cancer clinical trials. ASCO Daily News: Thank you, Dr. Owonikoko, for highlighting some of these important issues on minority enrollment in cancer clinical trials, intersectionality, and cancer care, the management of DNA virus associated cancers, and the always popular ASCO voices session, which this year will use the power of the narrative to advocate for equity in cancer care. Dr. Owonikoko, thank you again for taking the time to speak with me today. Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko: Thank you. ASCO Daily News: And thank you to our listeners for joining us as well. If you're enjoying the content on the podcast, please take a moment to rate, and review us wherever you get your podcasts.   Disclosures: Dr. Taofeek Owonikoko Stock and Other Ownership Interests: Cambium Oncology Consulting or Advisory Role: Novartis, Celgene, Abbvie, Eisai, G1 Therapeutics, Takeda, Bristol-Myers Squibb, MedImmune, BerGenBio, Lilly, Amgen, AstraZeneca, PharmaMar, Boehringer Ingelheim, EMD Serono, Xcovery, Bayer, Merck, Jazz Pharmaceuticals, Zentalis, Wells Fargo, Ipsen, Eisai, Roche/Genentech, Janssen Speakers' Bureau: Abbvie Research Funding (Institution): Novartis, Astellas Pharma, Bayer, Regeneron, AstraZeneca/MedImmune, Abbvie, G1 Therapeutics, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Corvus Pharmaceuticals, United Therapeutics, Amgen, Loxo/Lilly, Fujifilm, Pfizer, Aeglea Biotherapeutics, Incyte, Merck, Oncorus, Ipsen, GlaxoSmithKline, Calithera Biosciences, Eisai, WindMIL, Turning Point Therapeutics, Roche/Genentech, Mersana, Meryx, Boehringer Ingelheim Patents, Royalties, Other Intellectual Property (Institution): OVERCOMING ACQUIRED RESISTANCE TO CHEMOTHERAPY TREATMENTS THROUGH SUPPRESSION OF STAT3, SELECTIVE CHEMOTHERAPY TREATMENTS AND DIAGNOSTIC METHODS RELATED THERETO, DR4 Modulation and its Implications in EGFR-Target Cancer Therapy Ref:18089 PROV (CSP) United States Patent Application No. 62/670,210 June 26, 2018 (Co-Inventor), Soluble FAS ligand as a biomarker of recurrence in thyroid cancer; provisional patent 61/727,519 (Inventor) Other Relationship: Roche/Genentech, EMD Serono Uncompensated Relationships: Reflexion Medical Disclaimer: The purpose of this podcast, is to educate and to inform. 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The next generation of therapy for DME patients will require looking beyond the VEGF pathway. In the phase 2 BOULEVARD study, researchers are assessing the safety and efficacy of the angiopoietin-2 mediator faricimab (Roche/Genentech) for the treatment of DME. Could the angiopoietin pathway present a new option for patients? Karl Csaky, MD, PhD, sits down with NRR to review data from the study, which were shared at this year’s AAO Annual Meeting Late Breakers session. 

The next generation of therapy for DME patients will require looking beyond the VEGF pathway. In the phase 2 BOULEVARD study, researchers are assessing the safety and efficacy of the angiopoietin-2 mediator faricimab (Roche/Genentech) for the treatment of DME. Could the angiopoietin pathway present a new option for patients? Karl Csaky, MD, PhD, sits down with NRR to review data from the study, which were shared at this year's AAO Annual Meeting Late Breakers session.

This NRR miniseries “The Art of Drug Choice: Wet AMD and the Latest Data” continues as Dr. Khanani and the roundtable participants Drs. Fuller, London, and Weng review the wet AMD pipeline with a focus on anti-Ang-2 therapy (faricimab, Roche/Genentech) and gene therapy (RGX-314, RegenxBio and ADVM-022, Adverum Biotechnologies). After the break, Dr. London shares the case of a patient with wet AMD who experienced a ceiling of response to anti-VEGF therapy. Did a switch to brolucizumab (Beovu, Novartis) result a change? 

This NRR miniseries "The Art of Drug Choice: Wet AMD and the Latest Data" continues as Dr. Khanani and the roundtable participants Drs. Fuller, London, and Weng review the wet AMD pipeline with a focus on anti-Ang-2 therapy (faricimab, Roche/Genentech) and gene therapy (RGX-314, RegenxBio and ADVM-022, Adverum Biotechnologies). After the break, Dr. London shares the case of a patient with wet AMD who experienced a ceiling of response to anti-VEGF therapy. Did a switch to brolucizumab (Beovu, Novartis) result a change?

Jill Hopkins has dedicated her life to restoring people’s vision. In this episode she talks about what it’s like to fight blindness, a game-changing innovation in ophthalmology, and how Roche-Genentech keeps innovating in the wake of COVID-19.

How should oncologists be treating genitourinary malignancies during the COVID-19 pandemic? Aly-Khan A. Lalani, MD, of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, and colleagues recently published recommendations that help answer that question (Can Urol Assoc J. 2020 May;14[5]:e154-8). In this episode, Dr. Lalani reviews some of these recommendations with podcast host David H. Henry, MD, of Pennsylvania Hospital in Philadelphia. The pair discuss when and how to use androgen receptor axis-targeted therapies and radium-223 in metastatic prostate cancer, platinum-based chemotherapy in advanced urothelial carcinoma, and checkpoint inhibitors in patients with urothelial carcinoma or renal cell carcinoma. *  *  *   Disclosures: Dr. Henry reported having no financial disclosures relevant to this episode. Dr. Lalani has relationships with Astellas Pharma, Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Roche/Genentech, TerSera, AbbVie, Eisai, Ipsen, and Janssen. *  *  *   For more MDedge Podcasts, go to mdedge.com/podcasts Email the show: podcasts@mdedge.com Interact with us on Twitter: @MDedgehemonc David Henry on Twitter: @davidhenrymd Ilana Yurkiewicz on Twitter: @ilanayurkiewicz

Anticipation is growing as Roche/Genentech's treatment risdiplam, the first oral medication to treat SMA, is under FDA review. SMA News Today’s multimedia associate, Price Wooldridge, discusses how the lack of SMA protein may also directly contribute to SMA. Are you interested in learning more about spinal muscular atrophy? If so, please visit https://smanewstoday.com/

Dr. Ajay Kuriyan joins to discuss the June 2019 issue of Retinal Physician with topics including management of large macular holes, vitrectomy in keratoprosthesis cases, and endoscopic surgery. All articles discussed can be found online at http://www.retinalphysician.com. Dr. Sridhar has received fees for consulting for Alimera, Alcon, and Thrombogenics. Dr. Kuriyan is a consultant for Allergan, Alimera Sciences, Regeneron, and Valeant and receives grant funding from Roche/Genentech and Second Sight. Some podcast episodes now qualify for CME credits. To claim your credits visit https://www.aao.org/browse-multimedia?filter=Audio&sub=ONE.ContentTypes.Audio.

Drs. Ajay Kuriyan and Glenn Yiu join the program to discuss articles from the May 2019 issue of Retinal Physician including a discussion of ergonomics for the retinal physician, private equity pros/cons, and loss to follow-up in patients with macular degeneration and proliferative diabetic retinopathy. Dr. Sridhar is a consultant for Alcon and has served on advisory boards for Oxurion and Alimera Science. Dr. Kuriyan is a consultant for Allergan, Alimera Science, Bausch health, and Regeneron and has received grant funding from Roche/Genentech and Second Sight. Dr. Yiu is a consultant for Allergan, Alimera Science, Carl Zeiss Meditec, and Iridex and has received grant support from Alcon, Clearside, and Iridex. To claim CME credits for this episode please visit https://www.aao.org/browse-multimedia?filter=Audio&sub=ONE.ContentTypes.Audio.

This special edition episode recorded from Vancouver Canada at the 2019 ARVO meeting highlights the DRCR.net Protocol V clinical trial that examined anti-VEGF versus laser versus observation for patients with diabetic macular edema and very good vision. This two part episode starts with two of the senior investigators on the study, Dr. Jennifer Sun and Dr. Carl Baker, discussing the study design and results. For the second half Drs. Emily Chew and George Williams will join the program to discuss real-world implications for practice. The full published manuscript was published in JAMA and is available online at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2732608. Dr Baker reports receipt of grants for clinical research from Regeneron, Genentech, Allergan, and Novartis. Dr Sun reports receipt of grants from Roche Genentech, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, and Kalvista; personal fees from Current Diabetes Reports, JAMA Ophthalmology, and Merck; and nonfinancial support from Optovue (equipment loaned for research), Roche Genentech (food/beverage), and KalVista (travel support). Drs. Sridhar, Williams, and Chew have no relevant financial disclosures. To claim CME credits for this episode please visit https://www.aao.org/browse-multimedia?filter=Audio&sub=ONE.ContentTypes.Audio.

In the last decade, anti-PD-1/L1 checkpoint inhibitors have been revolutionary in oncology, but while the impact has been dramatic, many patients still do not respond. Dan Chen, M.D., Ph.D., former global head of the cancer immunotherapy franchise at oncology leader Roche/Genentech, talks to Scrip and Pink Sheet journalist Emily Hayes about the cancer immunity cycle, lessons learned from trials of combinations of drugs and more. Recorded onsite at the ASCO-SITC Clinical Immuno-Oncology Symposium in San Francisco on March 1, 2019.

In this episode, we speak with Paul Upham a Senior Principal within the Smart Device Technology Center at Roche/Genentech. Paul gives an overview of what the new digital world of pharma looks like and what it means to serve patients using digital solutions. You’ll also learn about the importance of adopting behavioral neuroscience principles to drive a positive impact on patients and physicians. Tune into the podcast and also hear about Paul’s journey of stumbling into software and medical devices after pursuing a double major in cognitive science and piano in college.

 This month on The BloodStream Podcast, Shari Luckey shares her “Living in the Shadows with Mild Hemophilia” story, Natalie presents an article on the things you need to know before purchasing CBD oil, we bring to you updates on the legal dispute between Roche/Genentech, and we hear from participants and organizers of the Wheels For The World Barry Haarde Memorial Bike Ride. All that and more on Episode 27 of The BloodStream Podcast!   Exclusive Sponsor: Shire   Latest Ask The Expert Podcast: Ep. 17: Mental Health - w/ Debbie de la Riva - July 23, 2018 Latest Powering Through Podcast: Ep. 19 - Idaho w/ Preston Bowling, Skyler Openshaw, & Allie Cashel   TeenImpactAwards.com   BreakingThroughHemophilia.com   STBhemo.com (Stop The Bleeding!)   Leave us a review on iTunes!  Help others from BloodStream!   Community News In 60 Seconds Like Segment: Before You Buy CBD Oil Online, Ask These Questions   Share Segment: Shari Luckey - “Living in the shadows with Mild Hemophilia” Comment Segment: Update on Shire Injunction Filing on Roche/Genentech Court Rules on Shire/Roche Preliminary Injunction   Interview Segment: Laurie Kelley BloodFeed: https://www.bloodfeed.com Connect with BloodStream: Email mailbag@bloodstreammedia.com Find all of our bleeding disorders podcasts on BloodStreamMedia.com BloodStream Facebook Page BloodStream Twitter Account Subscribe to BloodStream: iTunes: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamitunes Stitcher: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamstitcher LibSyn: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamlibsyn SoundCloud: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamSC TuneIn: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamtunein Google Play: http://bit.ly/bloodstreamPlay Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2nNPhui

This week, in our new time slot, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Ayelet Baron. Ayelet has lived and worked all over the world. She has been in the corporate world, both as an executive and an entrepreneur. Her background in politics and theatre helped Ayelet navigate these often divergent worlds. She shares her wisdom by writing and speaking professionally. Her last role, for over a decade, was at Cisco Systems was as Chief Strategy and Innovation Officer for Cisco Canada, where she helped propel Canada from the sixth to the second-largest revenue-generating country for Cisco. Most recently, she was an Innovator in Residence at Roche/Genentech where she introduced new ways of working. Longing to share her experiences and observations from the trenches, she began writing and speaking about the future of work and life. As a global business futurist at CreatingIs, her purpose is to bring common sense back to business. Her new book, Our Journey to Business Common Sense, which she is currently crowdfunding to show firsthand what's possible in the 21st century, is a journey of possibilities for the 21st century leader who wants to create a new path for business as a force of good in the world. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-conscious-consultant-hour8505/donations

We have the advantage of working with 5 generations of business leaders. How can we break the technology barriers and build solid business relationships? It’s all about people, not systems. The 21st-century mindset: People over process An expert on forward-thinking leadership and new ways to work, Ayelet has identified 4 traits for 21st-century leaders, and she shares them with us. Ayelet’s explanations about what they are and why they are important will have you re-thinking the way you communicate, the way you anticipate feedback and changes, the way you look at community, and ultimately, the way you work.  With so much buzz around transparency, it seems to mean something different to everyone. Ayelet shares the importance of having a shared purpose in order to achieve the level of transparency that keeps business relationships healthy and productive. She believes we can eliminate the need to “manage” people in this century if we create and maintain trusting relationships. How will you engage with peoples’ hearts and minds as their priorities shift? How can you regain common sense when it comes to business? Listen in and bring the human spirit back into your organization. Ayelet Baron: author, speaker and activist for the human spirit Ayelet works with 21st-century leaders to create new ways of working and helps them create a new path for business as a force of social good. Ayelet believes that in the human-to-human purpose driven and experience era, more people are shifting from the myth of work-life balance to LIFEworking. Prior to co-founding CreatingIs, Ayelet was a senior executive with Cisco Systems and an innovator in Residence at Roche/Genentech. Her new book Our Journey to Business Common Sense will be released soon. Connect with Ayelet Twitter LinkedIn Ayelet’s website Related Content About Ayelet’s new book, Our Journey to Business Common Sense 360Connext® post, 3 Rules for Investing in Good Relationships with Customers Customers That Stick® post, Don’t Forget the Connection in Interconnection Episode 088: Richard Shapiro, The Endangered Customer Sponsor Message: Give your team the customer service training they deserve Want to bring game-changing customer service training to your team? CTS Service Solutions offers a half-day in-person workshop designed to motivate and educate your customer-facing team members. Using energy, excitement, and interaction, our workshop helps frontline teams embrace a customer-centric outlook, then — using the principles from our book Be Your Customer’s Hero — gives them the skills and confidence they need to handle any service interaction. Don’t leave your frontline team hanging… Give them the training they deserve. Learn more at customerheroworkshop.com.    Take care of yourself and take care of your customers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices