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In this episode of Bionic Planet, we continue our dive into the complex and often contentious world of community conservancies in northern Kenya, focusing on the Biliqo Bulesa and Cherub Community Conservancies. The episode opens with a powerful statement from community members, emphasizing that the ongoing legal battles surrounding these conservancies are not about the interests of the community but rather the agendas of a few individuals. We introduce Mustafa Mohamed Libin, a community member from Biliqo Bulesa, who shares the story of how his community took bold steps in 2007 to form a conservancy that is truly community-run, contrasting it with the historical context of land ownership in the region. The episode highlights the positive impacts of the conservancy, including the revival of traditional grazing practices and the introduction of carbon finance to support community initiatives. However, the narrative takes a darker turn as we discuss the backlash faced by the conservancies, particularly following a report from the Oakland Institute that accused the Northern Rangelands Trust (NRT) of various human rights abuses. We explore the subsequent media frenzy that ensued, often lacking proper fact-checking and failing to consult actual community leaders. The episode serves as a follow-up to episode 117, providing deeper insights into the crisis faced by the community and the urgent need for their voices to be heard. Throughout the episode, we hear directly from community members, including youth representatives and conservancy leaders, who express their concerns about the recent court ruling that deemed the conservancies illegal due to alleged lack of consent. They recount their shock at the judgment, which they claim was made without their knowledge or participation, and discuss the significant benefits the conservancies have brought to their lives, including access to education, healthcare, and economic opportunities. The community members passionately defend the conservancies, asserting that the allegations made against them are unfounded and that the real beneficiaries of the conservancy are the local people. They highlight the transformative impact of the conservancy on women's empowerment, youth engagement, and community development, emphasizing that the conservancy is a lifeline for their livelihoods. As the episode progresses, we address the misconceptions propagated by external organizations and the media, which often portray the conservancies in a negative light. The community members clarify the differences between community-run conservancies and private conservancies, asserting their ownership and the positive changes that have occurred since the establishment of their conservancy. In closing, the episode underscores the importance of community voices in the narrative surrounding conservation efforts. The community members call for transparency and engagement from external organizations, urging them to visit and understand the realities on the ground rather than relying on hearsay. This episode is a powerful testament to the resilience of the Biliko Bulesa and Cherub communities and their unwavering commitment to protecting their rights and livelihoods amidst external challenges. If you find this kind of truth-telling important, consider supporting our work at patreon.com/bionicplanet. Your support helps us continue to share these vital stories.

Survival International's report warns that the Great Nicobar project jeopardises the Shompen tribe's isolation, exposing them to disease, exploitation & environmental destruction.  

East of India is a small island called North Sentinel Island. It's home to the Sentinelese people. But no one else is welcome to visit, and if they try, they may face death. The Sentinelese have made it clear they don't want to be contacted and prefer to be alone. But recently, a 24-year-old American tourist allegedly managed to sneak onto the island and leave a can of coke and coconut as an offering. So who are these uncontactable groups and why do people keep trying to visit?The BBC's global population correspondent Stephanie Hegarty tells us more about the uncontactable tribes. And Jonathan Mazower from Survival International, a charity which supports the Indigenous, tribal and uncontacted peoples, explains why social media is putting these groups in further danger.Instagram: @bbcwhatintheworld Email: whatintheworld@bbc.co.uk WhatsApp: +44 0330 12 33 22 6 Presenter: Mimi Swaby Producers: Mora Morrison, Benita Barden and Emilia Jansson Assistant Editor: Emily Horler

In this gripping two-hour episode, we pull back the curtain on misinformation campaigns targeting carbon projects in Kenya's Northern Rangelands. Through interviews with local leaders—including Mohamed Shibia, director of the Northern Rangelands Trust (NRT) carbon program, and elders Peter Lekurtut of the Samboru people and Peter Kilesi of the Maasai—we hear firsthand how traditional grazing systems are being revived and enhanced, not imposed or destroyed.

"El gran guitarrista y compositor Javier Vargas, vuelve a nuestro programa con dos nuevos y excelentes discos: "BLUES MAGIC LIVE" y "STONER NIGHT". "BLUES MAGIC LIVE", se grabó en directo, en una noche mágica, el 9 de Diciembre de 2023 en la sala "ReviRock" de Madrid. Para la ocasión la "VARGAS BLUES BAND", se vio arropada por amigos y grandes músicos como Miguel Ríos y John Parsons, entre otros. El resultado es un excelente Lp. en directo, con grandes temas y recogiendo el mejor espíritu de la música en vivo. El otro trabajo, "STONER NIGHT" es uno de los mejores discos de Rock y Blues que hemos escuchado en los últimos años, con una intensidad y calidad poco frecuentes en nuestro panorama musical. Hablamos con Javier Vargas de estos excelentes trabajos y también de giras y conciertos por España y medio mundo, pues afortunadamente, Javier Vargas tiene una dimensión internacional desde hace muchos años." "La organización "Survival International", celebra estos días la 4ª edición de la "Semana de los Pueblos Indígenas no Contactados". En el mundo, según estimaciones de la propia organización, existen más de 150 pueblos indígenas no contactados. Son las comunidades humanas más autosuficientes de nuestro planeta y representan una parte fundamental de la diversidad humana, pero su existencia se encuentra gravemente comprometida, como consecuencia de la explotación desenfrenada de los recursos naturales por parte del mundo industrializado. Hablamos de la situación de diferentes pueblos indígenas, en Perú, en la India, en Indonesia, Australia y Brasil y lo hacemos con Laura de Luis y con Sara Mediavilla, portavoces y expertas de "Survival International" en España."Escuchar audio

Nonostante le delusioni dei paesi poveri per i fondi a goccia, c'è una road map per ulteriori risorse nella prossima Cop 2025. Così Emanuele Bompan, giornalista ambientale e geologo ai nostri microfoni Dietro le meraviglie del parco nazionale di Odzala-Kokoua (R.d.Congo), gli orrori di abusi e intimidazioni ad un popolo indigeno. La denuncia di Survival International

The Hongana Manyawa people, a nomadic indigenous group in Indonesia, are at risk of being wiped out. The culprits are Nickel mining companies, looking to provide the raw material for the production of electric car batteries. Rosie Bultman speaks with Callum Russel, a researcher with Survival International to learn more about the struggle of the Hongana Manyawa. Then, we take a broader look at achieving a green transition while preserving indigenous land rights, with Survival International's Daniel Lavelle.

Two loggers, part of a team of people who had a license to cut down trees in the Peruvian Amazon, have been killed by bow and arrow after they allegedly encroached too far into land inhabited by the largest uncontacted tribe on the planet, the Mashco Piro. The tribe have lived on the land for years – surviving a traumatic history of massacres and enslavement. The Mashco Piro number little over 750 people, but their habitat and lives are increasingly under threat from the encroaching loggers around them. In Perspective, we spoke to Teresa Mayo, Researcher and Advocacy Officer at the human rights organisation Survival International.

Two loggers have been shot dead with a bow and arrow after a confrontation with an uncontacted tribe.The Mashco Piro tribe in the Peruvian Amazon is one of the world's last uncontacted tribes.To discuss what exactly happened, Seán is joined by Fiona Watson, Campaigns Director at Survival International.

Two loggers have been shot dead with a bow and arrow after a confrontation with an uncontacted tribe.The Mashco Piro tribe in the Peruvian Amazon is one of the world's last uncontacted tribes.To discuss what exactly happened, Seán is joined by Fiona Watson, Campaigns Director at Survival International.

-"FREEDONIA" es una excelente banda de Soul y otros ritmos afines, que viene alegrándonos la vida desde hace años, con excelentes conciertos en directo y también con discos vibrantes. Este colectivo de excelentes músicos, apuestan desde su formación, por la autogestión y la creación colectiva desligada de los rigores de la industria discográfica. La banda ha girado por los mejores festivales españoles e internacionales y su propuesta es clara: defender con su música un mensaje de libertad, respeto, igualdad, dignidad y justicia. Ahora vienen al programa para hablarnos de los últimos temas que han editado y también de la gira que los va a llevar por muchos lugares de nuestra geografía. Hablamos con Santi Matín, bajista de la banda y por teléfono interviene el saxofonista Dani Niño." -"La organización "Survival International", celebra estos días la 4ª edición de la "Semana de los Pueblos Indígenas no Contactados". En el mundo, según estimaciones de la propia organización, existen más de 150 pueblos indígenas no contactados. Son las comunidades humanas más autosuficientes de nuestro planeta y representan una parte fundamental de la diversidad humana, pero su existencia se encuentra gravemente comprometida, como consecuencia de la explotación desenfrenada de los recursos naturales por parte del mundo industrializado. Hablamos de la situación de diferentes pueblos indígenas, en Perú, en la India, en Indonesia, Australia y Brasil y lo hacemos con Laura de Luis y con Sara Mediavilla, portavoces y expertas de "Survival International" en España."Escuchar audio

On this episode, my guests are Martin Lena and Linda Poppe of Survival International. They join me to discuss “fortress conservation” in the Congo, the issues facing Kahuzi-Biega National Park, and the recent victories of Survival International there. Linda is a political scientist and director of the Berlin office of Survival International, the global movement for Indigenous peoples' rights. She is also part of Survival's campaign to Decolonize Conservation, which supports Indigenous peoples, who continue to suffer land theft and human rights abuses in the name of conservation.Martin is an advocacy officer for Survival International. He primarily works on Survival's campaign to Decolonize Conservation and has collected testimonies directly from communities facing violations of their rights in the name of conservation. Show Notes:What Conservation Looks like in the Democratic Republic of the CongoThe Evictions of the BatwaSafari Tourism in DRC ConflictThe Militarization of Conservation in Kahuzi-Biega National ParkLand Guards vs Land GuardiansOrganizing Victory! Scrapping French Involvement in Kahuze-BiegaThe German Government Continues to Fund the ParkSolidarity: How to Respond / Act in ConcertHomework:Survival International: French government scraps funding plan for Kahuzi-Biega National Park, citing human rights concernsSurvival International Decolonize Conservation CampaignBalancing Act: The Imperative of Social and Ecological Justice in Kahuzi-BiegaTranscript:Chris: [00:00:00] Welcome to the End of Tourism Podcast, Martin and Linda. I'd love it if I could start by asking you two to explain to our listeners where you two find yourselves today and what the world looks like there for you. Linda: Well, hi everyone. My name is Linda. I work for Survival International and I'm in Berlin. I'm at home, actually, and I look forward to talking to you and chatting with you.It's dark outside already, but, well, that's, I guess, the time of the year. Martin: And I'm based in Paris, also at home, but I work at Survival's French office. And how does the world feel right now? It feels a bit too warm for October, but other than that. Chris: Well, thank you both for for joining me today. I'd like to begin by reminiscing on the season three interview that I had with your colleague Fiore Longo, entitled "Decolonizing Conservation in Africa and Beyond."And in that interview, we discussed the history [00:01:00] of conservation as colonization in the context of Tanzania and the national parks that were built there and the indigenous lands that were stolen in order to do so. I'm curious if you two could offer a bit of background for our listeners in terms of the history of conservation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and especially in regards to the Batwa people and the Kahuzi Biega National Park.Linda: We were quite you know, astonished of the colonial history that, we find in the park where we're here to discuss today. Well, the Congo, obviously, you know, was a colony. And I think in this context, we also need to look at the conservation that is happening in the DRC today.And a lot of the things that you have discussed with our colleague, feel very true for the DRC as well. And the, the park that we're going to look at today, I think it's probably [00:02:00] also the best example to start to explain a little bit what conservation looks like in DRC. It's an older park, so it was created a longer time ago, and it was always regarded as something that is there to protect precious nature for people to look at and not for people to go and live in.And this is exactly what the problem is today, which we see continues, that the people that used to live on this land are being pushed outside violently, separated from the land which they call home, which is everything for them, the supermarket, the church, the school, just in the name of conserving supposed nature.And unfortunately, this is something that we see all over the DRC and different protected areas that exist there, that we still follow this colonial idea of mostly European [00:03:00] conservationists in history and also currently that claim that they're protecting nature, often in tandem with international conservation NGOs.In the park we look at today, it's the Wildlife Conservation Society, and they're, yeah, trying to get rid of the original inhabitants that have guarded these spaces for such a long time. Martin: To build on that, in our campaign to decolonize conservation and survival, we often say that fortress conservation has deep colonial roots and you can definitely see that with the the actual history of the of Kahuzi Biega National Park because it started as a reserve that was created by the Belgian colonial government in 1937 and It was transformed into a national park after independence.So in the 70s, but it was still designated as such following the lobbying of a Belgian conservationist. So it's really the continuation the Western and the European will to keep controlling the, [00:04:00] the independent territories. And that in Africa oftentimes was done through conservation.Linda: And it also has this idea of, I think a lot of the conservation projects that we see, Martin just said it, there was also this post independence push on creating national parks, which was obviously related to the idea that Europeans might lose hold of control in certain areas, so they were pushing for the creation of national parks like the Kahuzi Biega National Park.And that is the setting that we're talking about, basically, something that has very colonial roots and has been pushed into the post colonial era, but in a way which is actually very colonial. Chris: Thank you both for that brief, brief history and introduction into what we'll be speaking about today, Linda, you mentioned that so many of the circumstances around the creation of these national parks includes the exclusion and [00:05:00] displacement of the original inhabitants.And in this case, among others, this includes the Batwa people. And so I'd like to just give our listeners a little bit of a context for what's happened to the Batwa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. And so the statistics tell us that "over 90 percent of the 87, 000 indigenous Batwa people in the park have lost legal access to their native territory, turned into conservation areas, and who are desperately poor," according to a 2009 United Nations report.Now, in a recent Reuters article, it's written that, quote, "Local human rights and environmental experts say that the authorities failure to fulfill promises to the Batwa has undermined efforts to protect the forest and its endangered species, including some of the last populations of eastern lowland gorilla.Some of the Batwa around the [00:06:00] park participate in the illegal poaching, mining, and logging that are destroying the gorilla's globally significant habitat. As a result, the conservation outlook for the park is critical, according to the International Union for Conservation of Nature." The article goes further and says that "the Batwa have no choice because they are poverty stricken, according to Josue Aruna, president of the province's environmental civil society group, who does community outreach for the Batwa." It seems in this way that the land rights and traditional lifestyles of the Batwa are intimately tied to the health and survival of the ecosystems within the national park, which they've been excluded from, and that their poverty is a consequence of their displacement. Do you think that the issue is as simple as that? Martin: It's always interesting to read these reports from the conservationists, whether it's the IUCN or the NGOs, because the problem is always "the local people. So they are poor and they [00:07:00] have no choice. They participate in poaching." and it's always their fault.Like you were saying, if they end up being poor it's because they were evicted from the land. And as Linda was saying earlier, the forest and the land more generally is everything to them or was everything to them. So it's not only the place where they get food, it's also the whole basis of their identity and their way of life.So once they lose that, they end up in our world, capitalist system, but at the lowest possible level. So, that's why they end up in poverty. But it's a problem that was created by the conservationists themselves. And even when you read Their discourse or their position about trying to improve the situation for the Batwa, it's always about generating revenue ,lifting them out of poverty, developing alternative livelihoods. But what we are campaigning for is not some alternative to the loss of their rights. It's Their land rights themselves. And to go to your other question [00:08:00] about the fact that the loss of their land rights has led to a degrading in the health of the ecosystem.I think, yes, for sure. That has been the case, and it's what we're seeing all around the world in these protected areas that are supposed to protect nature. But actually, once you evict the best conservationists and the people that were taking care of the land for decades, then there is room for all kinds of exploitation whether it be mass tourism or luxury safaris or even mining and logging concessions.So it's not a coincidence if 80 percent of the biodiversity on the planet is located in indigenous territories. It's because they have lived in the land. It's not wild nature. They have lived there for generations. They have protected it and they have shaped it through their practices. So, to us, the best way to protect this ecosystem is to ensure that their land rights are respected and blaming them for poaching or putting that on the fact that they are poor, it's just [00:09:00] dishonest and ignoring the basis of the problem.Linda: Yeah. I agree. And when you just read out these sentences, I noted down like the way it was formulated, as a result, the park is threatened. It's again, just focusing on the local people as being the problem. Like the protected areas, they are to protect an area from the local people, which I think becomes very clear in the way you explained it. And also, like, Martin, I'm quite struck by the idea that they talk about poor people, but ignoring that, you know, their actions that of the Batwa have also caused this poverty. So it's, in a way, you know, first you make people poor and then you kind of insult them almost for being poor and then, you know, acting accordingly.I think that is quite, you know, ignoring what has happened. And I think it's the same with [00:10:00] the general model of conservation. Like the sentences you read, I mean, there is some sympathy in it, you know, it sounds like, "oh, these poor people," you know, "in a way we regret what has happened and that they were evicted."But it's like "those poor people," they don't really look at, you know, why were they evicted and what are the consequences for our kind of conservation today? Like the consequence could be that the Batwa can return to their land because they are the best guardians and because it would give them a base to, to live, not in poverty.So that consequence, they don't see it's because they ignore all the things that have caused the supposed poverty and have caused this kind of conservation that we see. So, don't think about what we've done in the past, we'll just go on, but that is a problem because they don't learn any lessons from what has happened and that land rights should be so important.Chris: Yeah, I think that it definitely points towards this notion that I think a lot of people are becoming apt to in our [00:11:00] times in these days, which is the general kind of approach to the dilemmas in these contexts are to look at the symptoms of the dilemma and not the causes.And in the context of the eviction and exile, displacement of the Batwa people, one of the articles mentions that "one of the consequences of the induced poverty includes the endangering and further endangering of the eastern lowland gorilla." And I mention this because in my research leading up to this interview, this conversation, I looked into the tourism offerings in Kahuzi Biega, in the National Park, and I found the following.I'm just gonna read off a list of what I did find. " Gorilla safaris, or trekking. Chimpanzee Rehabilitation Center tours. Camping safaris. Cultural tours. Bird [00:12:00] watching. Hiking. Climbing and boat cruises." And so my next question is this. To what extent does the safari tourism in the national park play a part in this conflict?Linda: Oh, that's a super interesting question. I mean, it obviously depends on the specific park that you look at. But I think I would say in almost any national park that we look at in Survival, there is some kind of idea that this park needs to have tourists. Tourists need to come and go and see the beauty of nature, ideally Western tourists, so that they become involved in conservation and donate money, and also in a way that tourism would be a way to pay for services that are related to maintaining the park.So it's something that usually always pops up. It's kind of, it's like twins a little bit. And, you know, I, I work on, on [00:13:00] mostly German politics and how they relate to this conservation. And it's something that you can't really separate where you read about conservation projects that the German government funds, you will always also read about tourism.So they're very interlinked. In some parks, you know, there isn't a lot of tourism because the situation is not very attractive to western tourists, but the idea is always there. And then the extent to which tourism actually happens obviously differs and then has different effects. In some parks that we work on, There's a lot of tourism, there's a lot of creation of infrastructure for tourists, hotels, for roads, for tourist vehicles to go places.Then it obviously has a much stronger impact on the area and also on the people that live there. If there are less tourists, then the actual effect of tourism is, of course, a little bit less than it might sound in these proposals to have tourists there at all.Chris: In the [00:14:00] context of conflict zones, which from what I understand this particular park in the Congo is a conflict zone, or at least parts of it, that tourism can act as a kind of barrier between local populations or local ecologies and the consequences of those conflict zones, right? But it doesn't necessarily stop the conflict. It just turns it underground, it turns a kind of blind eye to it, waiting, in most instances that I know of, until the organized crime in the area ends up getting, you know, their hands into the economy of, of the tourism itself.Martin: Yeah, I mean, I agree with Linda that it's always there and it's always under the discourse and it's never only about conservation, there's always tourism. And often the national parks are created for this purpose. If you read the UNESCO definition or the IUCN definition of what a national park is, it says it's also for [00:15:00] recreation.So these places are built for tourists. against the locals. So, yeah, it's always there and it's even in the definition.Linda: So yeah, when you said tourism is a barrier in some cases tourism can amplify the problems that are there because there is more eviction or there's more interest of, for example, governments to evict people, to create this great picture of nature, which is so attractive to tourists.So I think, I would find it as something that can really worsen the situation. I think from what I've seen, you know. We sometimes talk about sustainable tourism or respectful tourism, but in the terms of conservation projects, my impression really is that it's been harmful.And the indigenous populations that work in tourism, which is one of the things that funders of conservation projects often [00:16:00] say, that they can find jobs in tourism. A lot of these jobs are not very good. And I would argue that a lot of times people need to take these jobs because they have lost the choice to not take a job and live from the forest.Chris: Yeah, it's an interesting thing to wonder about in the little research that I did around what's happening in this particular park in the Congo, that there are rebel groups. It is a conflict zone, and yet there are these tourism offerings, right? And that surely, the champions of the National Park and conservation and in many areas would say, "well, you know, the more, the more tourism we can get in here the more we can undermine at least the economic causes if not the political ones that are contributing to the violence," when in fact, from what I can understand from Survival's work, that this is just deepens the causes that produced that conflict and that exile in the first place.Linda: Yeah. And I think there's also [00:17:00] perception of injustice, which we shouldn't underestimate. I mean, if you're an indigenous person that has been violently evicted or whose family has been violently evicted from a certain area, and then you see, Western tourists mostly, which are rich, you know, pay a lot of money for these trips, are allowed to go in and use that area in a way. I think that also creates, yeah, a sense of injustice, which is also, yeah, it's quite, quite sad. Chris: Mm hmm. Definitely. And then that's certainly what we see in over touristed places around the world and in places that are just starting to become over touristed, this kind of deep resentment amongst locals for the inequalities, the growing inequalities and yeah, as well, the injustices that these industries bring.And so on that point of conflict zones, especially in and around Kahuzi Biega. I wanted to ask you both a question around the militarization of conservation. So, [00:18:00] some people believe that militarized park police, which is what exists in this park, are a necessary evil.Officially, at least, "the guards protect the park from armed militias or rebel groups in the area, ensuring that they stay out of the park." Of course, those who they confront and sometimes attack also include the indigenous people, the Batwa in this case, who are trying to retake and reclaim their ancestral lands.And the argument is that without the guards, the land would fall into the hands of much more malevolent groups or forces. And so how do you think the presence of armed conflict as well as militarized conservation guards complicates the issue? Linda: That's a tough question. Well, maybe I can just give like a little anecdote.It was actually about this park, the [00:19:00] Kahuzi Biega National Park, and we were talking to German politicians and government officials about the problem of conflict and about the problem that these park rangers you know, are trained and have a lot of weapons, which seems very militant. And they, they were seeing the problem.They were seeing that this is probably not the best thing they should do, support security forces in an area which is already so problematic. But their thinking was, if we don't give them the money, now we have created this this force, basically. We have hired people, we have trained them.Now, if we stop supporting them, what are they going to do? You know, they're gonna maybe take the training and their weapons and make it even worse. So in a way, I mean, this was off record, right? They were just kind of thinking out loud. But in a way, they were seeing that the projects that they have supported have created structures which [00:20:00] very likely will increase conflict.And it seems quite obvious also because you see all these conflicts with indigenous peoples. So, I'm not going to say that it's a very peaceful area and there is not a need maybe for people to defend themselves. But in a way, the structures that we have in militarized conservation are not the solution.You know, they make the situation much more complicated than it initially was. And now, like, in this park, we're in a situation where we witness terrible human rights abuses, and everyone's scared to act and do something because it could get even worse. And it's, yeah, it doesn't seem like a very good solution.I think we need another way. We can't just stick our head, and say, oh, you know, we just go on, we'll just go on and then let someone else deal with it in a few years. I don't think that's a very good solution. Very good example.Martin: And it's questionable also to what extent do these these guards, these armed [00:21:00] rangers actually protect the, the parks and the species because they are here supposedly to fight against illegal wildlife trade and poaching and everything.But what studies have shown is that the root cause of of poaching and of the, of the illegal wildlife trade is mostly the demand for such products that comes from industrialized countries or at least other parts of the world and the system is made for the guards to take action against the local population and not against the actual criminal networks that lead to illegal wildlife trade and poaching.They get money for people they arrest and the easiest people to find are the locals that are trying to get to their ancestral lands. And there's also sometimes the park management involved in these criminal networks. So, you pretend to put in place a system to fight against illegal wildlife trade, but there ends up being no choice but [00:22:00] for the guards to, to take on the local people. Linda: Maybe we should also think about the indigenous populations as guards, or maybe guardians is the better word, of this area. And if we zoom out of the DRC and look at South America, where we have much stronger land rights... it's not perfect, but of course, better for indigenous people.They often act as guardians or guards of these territories, even though they're also confronted with illegal logging, quite brutal illegal logging, for example. But in a way, they are there and they, of course, are supported by authorities ideally, in defending these territories, but you see a less violent or militarized conflict because you have the indigenous guardians, as opposed to starting out with their protected [00:23:00] areas and armed guards, which are not just there to defend themselves, but have extensive rights of use of violence, and they don't have to fear any repercussions if something goes wrong and they kill, for example, an indigenous person.I mean, that's what we've seen in this park, that they can basically act with impunity. Chris: And thank you, Linda, for offering that example of the difference or the contrast between places like the Kahuzi Biega National Park and the DRC and other places in South America, for example, where there is this inherited intergenerational understanding of guardianship and while there's only maybe a half a century of conservation industry in these places, of course, they're an extension of the colonial project or projects that were undertaken much further back in time in places like Africa and places like the DRC before it was known as such.And then what happens, you know, after X amount of [00:24:00] generations after this kind of exile and displacement, that there is no lived memory anymore of what it means to be a guardian of your place. And I don't just mean as a title, but in terms of how you guard that place, as an indigenous person.We might be able to say that the Western world or the modern world that that's very much what we've become is people who are unable to remember or have a lived memory of what it's like to adequately stand as guardians for a place. You know, I think with the work that you two in Survival International are doing, there's a path forward towards that.And I'd like to remind our listeners that we're also here speaking today in part because there was a victory that was won by Survival International on behalf of the Batwa people and activists like yourself. And so I'd like to just read very briefly from [00:25:00] July 2023 press release from Survival International, in which it is said that, quote, "in a landmark decision, the French government has scrapped its plan to fund the controversial Kahuzi Biega National Park in the Democratic Republic of the Congo."France's Minister of State for Development, francophonie and International Partnerships, Chrysoula Zacharopoulou, confirmed that the plan to begin financing the Kahuzi Biega National Park has been scrapped. Ms. Zacharopoulou said, quote, "It has been abandoned, in line with our requirement for the respect of human rights."So first of all, I'd like to say congratulations to you both and to your teams at Survival for for getting this this victory and for doing the work you need to do in order to get there. And I'd like to [00:26:00] ask about the strategies that were employed in order to revoke French support for the park. You know, so many of these efforts and victories are either ignored in the context of the endless dilemmas or they're celebrated kind of superficially without considering the work it took to organize such campaigns.And so my question is, how has this campaign been organized by Survival International? Martin: Well, to give a bit of context the first time we heard about the French Development Agency planning on funding Kahuzi Biega, it was in the exact same time period as the publication of a report by Minority Rights Group International detailing brutal waves of violence in 2019 and until 2020 of appalling human rights abuses. So, atrocities that including murder, torture, rape [00:27:00] the burning alive of children, the burning of villages. So, we are, in this context, where we are reading the minority rights group report and understanding the scale of these waves of violence against the Batwa.And around the same period, we see that the French Development Agency has been a delegation, including the director, has been to the park and plans on funding it. So, of course we are appalled and and decide to write to the French Development Agency, but also to the to the ministry that has oversight.So, one of them is the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. And then we wait. And then we also got the support of a senator who also sent a letter and asked a question in Parliament to the government about their plan to fund this park in the context of these human rights violations.And so in July 2022, so last year, they decided to suspend temporarily the project. It was also in the context of an internal scandal because there was an expert[00:28:00] in the field and contracted by the French development agency to carry out a feasibility study. And he was basically saying around, and it can be heard in recordings saying that basically the study is just a formality and that the decision to fund the park has already been made.So there's both scandals. An internal scandal about the due diligence apparently being considered a formality on the field and the scandal of the very detailed report that had just gone out about the atrocities. So, that led to a temporary suspension. And they said that they would conclude the study and look into the abuses into social aspects.And then a year passed and we kept sending letters, of course, and doing some public campaigning about it on social media, et cetera. And then the senator asked again a question in July this year, and that's when we learned that the project was cancelled. So, of course, it's a victory, and it shows that sometimes the government actually does have the oversight[00:29:00] on the development agencies and takes the right decisions.But, of course, it's just the whole model still needs to be challenged and the park still has many international backers, even in the context of the atrocities that we that we know about. Chris: Mm. So the senator that asked about the status of the funding and found out that it was in fact scrapped, the scrapping of the funding was never made public until that point?Or there was never any press release saying so? Martin: No, they made it public, In the answer to the question, orally, in, in commission in Parliament. Chris: Mm. And would there be no way that the French public, for example, would be able to find out about this otherwise?Martin: I don't think so. And to be honest, I'm not even sure the decision had been taken before. I think they looked into it again because the senator asked a question again, but that's just speculation. Chris: And you spoke about writing letters, obviously to politicians and to the ministries [00:30:00] and also social media campaigns. Do you think there was more of an effect on the scrapping of the funding because of the public campaign, the social media campaign? Martin: Yeah, I think and that's basically the whole premise on which our campaigns are based is that an efficient mobilization of the public opinion will lead and the fact that the public cares and is informed will lead to a more efficient lobbying and advocacy of the governments and, and other government agencies. So yeah, I think one can't go without the other. And I don't know what would have happened if only the Senator had asked the questions or if only the Senator had asked a question or if we had only sent a letter and no public campaigning at all, or no press release, or no social media, I don't know. So I think, yeah, both go hand in hand.Chris: Mm hmm.So do you think that without the report from the Minority Rights Group, that the funding would have gone ahead, regardless of what was actually happening there? Martin: It's possible because we know that the funders were aware for years and [00:31:00] years of the human rights violations. And even before the waves of violence that are described in the report, we know that they were aware of that risk of violence at that time and of the human rights violation in the whole context of the militarized park.So, I think it could have very well gone ahead, because the other funders knew and kept funding it. And yeah, it's very important to get that kind of report with very detailed testimonies and information from the ground, and really documenting these atrocities. Otherwise, it's just business as usual.Chris: And the original proposal for the funding at least by the French government or the ministries involved, they were basically just promoting conservation in the way that it typically is. That's what the funding was for? Martin: Well, it's hard to know because they never published anything and actually, they never actually started funding it.It was just, just a project. Like I said, they went on a visit there and started making [00:32:00] promise to the local conservation agencies and to the local authorities. It's not clear to this day what exactly they were planning on funding, but it was clearly stated that there were planning on supporting the park itself, but I don't know for which kind of activities, but still, funding the same structure that that has been responsible for these abuses is still unacceptable.Chris: Mm hmm sounds "sketchy," as we say in English. And and so for our listeners, just a little bit of further context while France simply abandoned plans, the country had not yet made, or the government had not yet made, Germany continues to finance the park despite France's, however, subtle acknowledgment of human rights violations.And so, Linda, my question for you is, first of all, why is Germany funding a national park in the DRC to begin with? And, if you know, [00:33:00] how does that money get spent? Linda: Well, I guess the, the German interest in this park is pretty old, so the German government started funding the park already in the 80s.And there were some other projects even before that, supposedly. But it's considered to be a very, well, it obviously is a very long running project financed by the German government. And some local people call it the German park, because they assume that without the German funding, it wouldn't even exist. Like the kind of money that has been given over decades and the kind of things that have been funded, the infrastructure, the Congolese conservation authorities, the park rangers, you know, all the things that were funded basically crucial for the park to function. So yeah, it is a very German funded project. And also the German government has for very, a very long time looked at it as being a prestigious [00:34:00] project.You know, it was this great park, the gorillas, you already mentioned it, you know, and the Germans been funding it, which when you know a bit about German history, post World War II, there was a lot of interest in biodiversity and conservation funding because it was a good thing to do, which gave Germany a little bit of a different international picture than it had after the war.So there was a lot of interest in funding projects, and they were perceived as being fantastic, and they were shown to be these great projects that Germany is supporting internationally. And then, obviously, it isn't, but the German government has been very, very good at denying that there are these problems, and the role that it has had in facilitating these horrific human rights abuses. Mm. Chris: And how, if at all, has the German government responded to the [00:35:00] scrapping of the French funding? Linda: Very good timing, because I just got a response today, actually from the German government. Mm. 'cause we did point out to them that the French government has decided to not fund the park because of the violations of indigenous people's rights and because of human rights concerns. So we pointed this out to the ministry again, just in case, they would not have learned about this themselves. But the reply basically doesn't address this at all. You know, this was what we wrote the letter about and the replies about all the great things that the German government keeps funding and the improvements it is supposedly seeing on the ground and these improvements justifying their continued support.So it's just a letter explaining why they continue funding it and not addressing why maybe partners like the French government have decided not to fund it. And it's something that we have seen over the years. I think [00:36:00] survival first raised human rights violations in the Kahuzi Biega National Park in actually 2017, so that's quite a few years ago.There was a Batwa family. A father with his son, a teenage son. They were going into the park to collect herbs for medicine because another son of the family was sick. They encountered park rangers who killed the teenager and hurt wounded the father. So it was quite a terrible incident.And the father wrote to the German government, to the funders, and he complained about these human rights violations and the fact that the Batwa had lost access to the park and to their livelihood because of the German funding. The German government just said, "well, you know, there's not much we can do about it, basically."They tried to pay some money, but then really nothing, nothing else happened. And over the years, the situation hasn't improved. It has [00:37:00] gotten worse. But the German government keeps saying that they have faith in the Congolese conservation authorities and they do not see grounds to stop the funding or the project.They keep saying that they see progress. And things will get better. And we know it hasn't gone better. Chris: I'd like to return anyways to this this question around tactics and strategies and organizing. It seems that activists and those not directly involved in social movements struggle with the weight of our times.I mean, it's you know, kind of hard to ignore these days. And so, given that the German government, I imagine, is the obvious next target in the campaign to defund Kahuzi Biega, or at least the conservation authorities and programs there, what tactics, what strategies are being employed by Survival in your campaigns, [00:38:00] and how might our listeners in Germany, France, Europe, and, and beyond, how might they participate?Linda: That's a very good question, because, as I said, you know, Survival has been working on this for a few years, and there's a little bit of frustration, of course, that not much is happening in the terms of acknowledging the problem of funding this park. I think what Survival, what we're thinking is, quite important in this issue of conservation is making sure that donors in the West understand that this is a very symptomatic problem.So, a lot of conservation projects function like this and it is because there is this underlying problem with them, that they do not acknowledge land rights. But they continue to say that certain government authorities or certain conservation organizations are best put to run these places. It's the same with the [00:39:00] Kahuzi Biega National Park.The German government now says, "well, we know there are problems, so we pull in the WCS. They're the conservation organization and everything will be better. But it won't because they also have a record of not respecting indigenous people's rights. So, we need to make them understand that there is this underlying issue of not acknowledging indigenous people's land rights.And we try to do this by pointing out that this is a problem which is happening in a lot of national parks. So, protected areas that Survival has looked at in Africa and Asia, almost all of them, even the ones that we were told were good examples, have these problems. And we try to show that to the donors that have such big impact on these conservation projects and make them rethink what they're doing.It's a very difficult process, of course, because they've always done it in a different way. And now it's hard for them to think [00:40:00] about, you know, giving control and power to local people, which until now they've always said is a threat to conservation. It's like a total turn of what they assumed so far.But for us, it seems like that's the thing that we have to do for them to actually acknowledge the problem, because otherwise all the solutions that they come up with are not real solutions. They put people like the WCS in power, which is also not going to respect the Batwas' rights. Chris: Yeah, I think one of the critiques around development is in the context of these industries, especially things like conservation, volunteerism is another one that as industries, you would imagine that they would have in their mission statement, or vision, or ten-year plan, the slow and intentional disappearance of their own industry, right? Because if what they were [00:41:00] doing was working, we would need less of them. And there would be less of them, but here we are, right? And it's just, of course, a massively growing industry, both conservation and volunteerism. Martin: Yeah, it's true that our key targets are the donors, because like many of the issues that indigenous peoples are facing across the world, the root of the problem and the funding for these problems come from the West and our societies. So that's going to remain one of our targets and key part of the strategy. I think we are starting to see a shift in the discourse, in France, at least. And when we talk to the politicians, we also see that shift, that shift in the discourse of the conservation NGOs, but it's still as harmful. So instead of saying that these places are wild and empty and that the local artists are destroying it or encroaching, well, they still say it, but they also say that what we were saying before about the poverty issue and that [00:42:00] they will generate new projects and new activities and development basically.So, I think that they are starting to acknowledge the presence of these people. They couldn't be further from recognizing their land rights because, like you said, otherwise it means their own disappearance, and they're not built for that. Linda: Yeah, so it's a difficult, it's a difficult thing. I mean, I think we try to talk to people that are more inclined to understand the importance of indigenous people's rights so that we can have a base of people that support our campaigning, which is very important for us.And then we select our targets and try to engage the people that support us in convincing these targets to change projects or change their minds. And sometimes, you know, that can just be it a tweet that texts someone who we know makes decisions about certain [00:43:00] projects, try to raise awareness that there is concern about this project, that some people disagree, that this doesn't comply with human rights, that this doesn't comply with, agreements or treaties they're supporting for indigenous people's rights.And sometimes it's a more complex lobbying strategy. So there are different things we try to do and sometimes, like we saw with the example of the French government, sometimes it works because there's timing, there's different things coming together. But obviously, even though we have a lot of strategies, it's always difficult to know what will work in the end.So we try different things and try to engage with people that will help us spread the word about the need to decolonize conservation and do it differently and acknowledge land rights. And sometimes it's little things that really change a lot. Sometimes we work on something for a long time and it wasn't the right strategy and we need to change.[00:44:00] Chris: Well, speaking of how might our listeners find out more about Survival International and the decolonize conservation campaigns and especially around the work that you two are doing. Martin: Well, I strongly encourage people to read more of our campaigns on the website, on social media, also to subscribe to our newsletter, because that's where we mostly share our urgent actions.So which are one of our tools to put pressure on the targets. So, mass emails basically sent by our supporters to the targets about specific projects. And we also publish some video, direct video testimonies in our tribal voice projects, as we call it.So if they want to listen to, to the victims explaining the problems they are facing, but also the way of life that they have lost or sometimes more inspiring things about the resistance and and the fight. I think it's also very interesting to hear directly from the people affected.But yeah, I strongly encourage people to join the movement by [00:45:00] any means possible. And sometimes as Linda said, just small actions like a tweet or sending an email through these campaigns can be can really make an impact and and it does help ensure that the advocacy and the lobbying is effective.Linda: Yeah, and I think it's also a nice way to picture that you're showing solidarity with, for example, the Batwa, who often perceive the Western donors as being the cause of their problem. And I think for them, it's nice to see that there are also people in the countries that, where the problems originate that are standing up for their rights and supporting them.And I think it's probably the least we can do also, because we're so obsessed with African nature that I think it would be a very good step for us to think about the people that live in these places.Chris: Yeah, absolutely. And maybe not immediately or superficially in part because of the inundations and the dilemmas in our times, but that kind of [00:46:00] solidarity can begin to break down as well, the largely like unconscious nationalist tendencies we have when we think of other people in other countries, we always associate those people with their governments, right?Which is just like, absolutely ridiculous when anyone thinks of themselves in relation to their own government, right? But these are two faces, two voices of the resistance that are working on behalf of many others.And so I just wanted to reiterate that we're here today just to have the chance to be able to speak about a little bit about this this small victory that all willing will lead to many more to much bigger ones in regards to the Decolonize Conservation campaign of Survival International.It takes work and I'm grateful to be able to speak with you both today and to have you share some of your work and your dedication with our listeners and I will make sure that all of those links that you mentioned, Martin, will be on the End of Tourism website and available for our [00:47:00] listeners to sign up to the newsletter and follow on social media and of course participate if they so wish.Thank you both. Linda: Thanks. Martin: Thank you.​ Get full access to ⌘ Chris Christou ⌘ at chrischristou.substack.com/subscribe

What does the Bible say about dimethyltriptamine (DMT) and other psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs? In this episode, you will learn how to respond to a friend who tells you that he is having positive spiritual experiences through using DMT or another hallucinogen. (this is the fixed-audio version). *** Join our new apologetics course starting April 1: https://thethink.institute/apologeticsfoundations *** Links to articles and sources I used to research for this episode:  “What is the Jesus drug (dimethyltryptamine)?” (Got Questions) ⁠https://gotquestions.org/Jesus-drug-dimethyltryptamine.html⁠ “What does the Bible say about sorcery? (Got Questions) ⁠https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-sorcery.html⁠ Drug Use (Open Bible) ⁠https://www.openbible.info/topics/drug_use⁠  Pharmakeia (Open Bible) ⁠https://www.openbible.info/topics/pharmakeia⁠ Sorcery (Open Bible) ⁠https://www.openbible.info/topics/sorcery⁠ “It's Official: DMT Makes You Believe In God” (Vice) ⁠https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4dxk/its-official-dmt-makes-you-believe-in-god⁠ “Ayahuasca” (American Shaman) ⁠https://americanshaman.org/ayahuasca/#Origins_in_Indigenous_Culture⁠ “Does Joe Rogan Think the DMT Elves Are Real?” (Powerful JRE) ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQSIzJ9J-g⁠  The Testimony of Pokemon and Bautista (Chief Shoefoot) (Faithful Moms) ⁠https://faithfulmoms.org/is-pokemon-safe-children-christian-perspective/⁠  “Chief Shoefoot's Rebuke” (Touchstone) ⁠https://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=11-05-012-v⁠ “We make the spirits dance” – the world of the Yanomami shaman (Survival International) ⁠https://www.survivalinternational.org/articles/3506-yanomamishaman⁠ Ancient medicinal plants of South America (National Library of Medicine) ⁠https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6561247/⁠ Galatians 5:20 commentaries: Ellicott's, Meyer's, Barnes'; Belgel's Gnomen; etc. (BibleHub) ⁠https://biblehub.com/commentaries/galatians/5-20.htm⁠ What Are DMT Elves and Who Reports Seeing Them? (HowStuffWorks) ⁠https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/dmt-elves.htm#pt4⁠ The Essential Ministry of the Holy Spirit, Part 3 (Galatians 5:16–25) (Grace to You) ⁠https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/90-332/the-essential-ministry-of-the-holy-spirit-part-3⁠  The DMT ‘elves' people meet while tripping (Big Think) ⁠https://bigthink.com/the-present/dmt-beings/⁠  For OT and NT uses of “pharmakeia”: The Septuagint (LXX) (Blue Letter Bible) ⁠https://www.blueletterbible.org/lxx/mal/3/1/ss0/rl0/s_928001⁠ Greek New Testament ⁠https://www.laparola.net/greco/index.php⁠ ---- Please support this work! Give to the Think Institute at ⁠https://thethink.institute/partner⁠ .  ---- ⁠Subscribe to the Think Institute YouTube Channel!⁠ This channel will deliver even more knowledge on how to answer questions and objections to the Christian worldview! If you subscribe now, you'll get to hear the next video in this series... ---- Want to bring Joel to speak at your church or event? ⁠Go here.⁠   ---- Music Credits:  Energetic & Drive Indie Rock by WinnieTheMoog Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/10443-energetic-drive-indie-rock Licensed under CC BY 4.0: ⁠https://filmmusic.io/standard-license⁠ Rock Guitar Intro 03 by Taigasoundprod License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Free download: filmmusic.io: search rock-guitar-intro-03-by-taigasoundprod --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/worldviewlegacy/message

Survival International denuncia que la organización de defensa de la biodiversidad African Parks, en cuyo directorio participa el príncipe Harry de Reino Unido, está cometiendo abusos contra la población indígena baka del Congo. Escucha la entrevista con la vocera en España de Survival, Laura de Luis.

Hablamos del caso del australiano Julian Assange, fundador de WikiLeaks, y lo que podría ser el intento final para evitar su extradición a los Estados Unidos, donde se le acusa de espionaje. También abordamos la denuncia de Survival International, quien señala que trabajadores de African Parks, una organización para la conservación de la biodiversidad, están cometiendo abusos contra los indígenas baka del Congo.

Los créditos de carbono permiten a empresas y países compensar las emisiones de dióxido de carbono más difíciles de eliminar. Algunas organizaciones de defensa de los pueblos autóctonos consideran que la utilización de este instrumento internacional representa una amenaza contra los territorios indígenas más vulnerables. Escucha la entrevista con Laura de Luis, vocera en España de Survival International.

The 28th United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP28), was held from November 30 to December 12 2023 in Dubai.  Described by some as the "Blood Carbon COP", COP 28 paved the way for a massive expansion of carbon credits.The carbon credit market is disastrous for Indigenous Peoples and represents a major new way for governments, corporations and conservation NGOs to profit from the theft of Indigenous lands.On this episode of Breaking Green we will talk with Fiore Longo of Survival International- an organization formed in 1969 to promote the rights of Indigenous Peoples as contemporary societies with a right to self-determination. Fiore Longo is a campaigner at Survival International, the global movement for tribal peoples and is the director of Survival International France and Spain. She also coordinates Survival's conservation campaign, and has visited many communities in Africa and Asia that face human rights abuses in the name of conservation.Survival International's Blood Carbon ReportOrin Langelle's Portraits of StruggleDon't miss an episode and subscribe to Breaking Green wherever you get your podcasts.This podcast is produced by Global Justice Ecology Project.Breaking Green is made possible by tax deductible donations from people like you. Please help us lift up the voices of those working to protect forests, defend human rights and expose false solutions.  Donate securely online hereOr simply text GIVE to 716-257-4187

There are few opportunities for people living in modern contexts to experience what life would be like living in a band of hunter-gatherers. While there are still several cultures in the world living this way, most are protected from outsiders through organizations like Survival International. While rewilding isn't a synonym for primitive living, or a total return to hunting and gathering societies, we can learn a lot about how to live in a regenerative way through contemporary hunter-gatherer societies, as well as experiences that can replicate aspects of those societies. Boulder Outdoor Survival School (BOSS) in Utah is one such place to get a taste of the immediate-return hunting and gathering experience. I recently attended their Hunter-Gatherer course, and here to talk about it with me is one of the core instructors for that program, Randy Champagne.Originally from Michigan, Randy found his way to the deserts of Utah after taking a survival course that sparked his love for the wild. He has been at the Boulder Outdoor Survival School since 2008 where he's been teaching and practicing ancestral and modern survival skills. His passion is in traditional hunting and gathering techniques. He was a participant on the television show ALONE, testing his skills solo on Seasons 2 and 5 on Vancouver island and in Mongolia.NOTES:Randy Champagne InstagramBOSS Hunter-Gatherer CourseSupport the show

There's just something about uncontacted tribes that's always piqued my curiosity. Perhaps you've heard of Ishi, who, as the last of his people, emerged from California's Sierra foothills in the summer of 1911. It's estimated that Ishi was around 50 years of age and spent the vast majority of his life completely cut off from modern society. And for good reason, after all his tribe was literally slaughtered in a series of massacres. Then there's the Bronco Apache I covered here on The Wild West Extravaganza way back when. Link in the description. These guys and gals were still making raids into Arizona and New Mexico as late as 1926. Hell, even a decade later they themselves were being hunted in the mountains of northern Mexico. According to Jason Betzinez, an Apache who rode with Geronimo, those Broncos were still out there as recently as 1959. Now I don't know how accurate that is, but if true that's still quite a long time ago. I think it's safe to say that as of this recording, there are no remaining uncontacted tribes anywhere in North America. South America is a different story, though. And let's not forget about Africa or India. Per the experts at Survival International, there are currently over one hundred uncontacted tribes worldwide. A number that absolutely blows my mind. If that seems like a lot, I will say that the term uncontacted is a little misleading. Generally speaking, it's used to describe certain indigenous peoples who AVOID all contact with outsiders. Doesn't mean they've never met anyone else or that they've never physically touched or owned modern objects. So long as they continue to avoid all contact with outsiders, they are considered uncontacted. And today you're going to hear about a group who, in my opinion, are about as uncontacted as you can possibly get. They have no trade with neighboring tribes, they brook no interference from outsiders and we don't even know what language they speak, much less what they call themselves.   The following is courtesy of Rich Napolitano and his podcast, Shipwrecks and Seadogs: North Sentinel Island is a remote and largely isolated island located in the Bay of Bengal, belonging to the Andaman and Nicobar archipelago of India. The island is known for its indigenous inhabitants, the Sentinelese, who have fiercely resisted contact with the outside world, maintaining their traditional way of life and avoiding interactions with modern society. Due to their isolation and the limited knowledge about their language and culture, the Sentinelese people remain one of the last uncontacted tribes on Earth, making North Sentinel Island a unique and heavily restricted area for anthropological study and preserving their autonomy. Over recorded history, a number of ships have wrecked near the island, causing unpleasant confrontations with the native people of North Sentinel Island.   Seadogs and Shipwrecks - https://shipwrecksandseadogs.com/   Seadogs and Shipwrecks ad free & bonus content - https://intohistory.com/shipwreckspod/   Original theme music for Seadogs and Shipwrecks by Sean Siegfried - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgBMxexyt1grjt6G1gHHwZA   Check out the website for more true tales from the Old West https://www.wildwestextra.com/   The Bronco Apache - https://www.wildwestextra.com/the-last-wild-apache/   Email me! https://www.wildwestextra.com/contact/   Buy me a coffee! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/wildwest   Free Newsletter! https://wildwestjosh.substack.com/   Join Into History for ad-free and bonus content! https://intohistory.supercast.com/   Merchandise! https://www.teepublic.com/user/wild-west-extravaganza   Book Recommendations! https://www.amazon.com/shop/wildwestextravaganza/list/YEHGNY7KFAU7?ref_=aip_sf_list_spv_ofs_mixed_d

Las áreas protegidas se proponen como una manera de mitigar el cambio climático, pero la realidad es que muchas de esas llamadas soluciones basadas en la naturaleza y las compensaciones a base de créditos de carbono implican la expulsión de indígenas de sus tierras. Hablamos con Lola Rama, investigadora de Survival International.Escuchar audio

On this episode, my guest is Barbara from No Name Kitchen, an independent movement working alongside the Balkans and the Mediterranean routes to promote humanitarian aid and political action for those who suffer the difficulties of extreme journeys and violent push-backs.Their actions include medical care, distributions of food and clothes, legal support and the denunciation of abuses at the borders, where thousands of human beings keep suffering violence, fatigue and sickness during their migratory processes.No Name Kitchen was born in Belgrade by winter 2017 when a group of volunteers started cooking in Belgrade alongside the thousands of people who were fending for themselves after the closure of the Hungarian frontier. Since then, NNK supports those who suffer the lack of safe and legal pathways, collecting testimonies and denouncing the systematic use of institutional violence at the borders.Show NotesNo Name Kitchen: What's in a Name?Social Media as a Tool for OrganizingThe KitcheneersIt's a Border Crisis, not a Migration CrisisWhy do People Seek Asylum in EuropeHow the EU is Breaking its Own LawsBorder Violence in the BalkansWhat are Pushbacks?The Silence of Big-Name NGOsFrom Hospitality to Hostility: A Story in KladusaMigrants as Puppets in Political WarsThe EU's Racist Immigration ActionsThe Lives of NNK's Guests After the BorderHomeworkNo Name Kitchen Website - Facebook - Instagram - TwitterVolunteer w/ No Name KitchenLatitude Adjustment Program Podcast episode w/ No Name KitchenTranscript[00:00:00] Chris: Welcome, Barbara, to the End of Tourism Podcast. Thank you for joining us on behalf of No Name Kitchen. [00:00:07] Barbara: Thank you very much, Chris.[00:00:10] Chris: I'd love it if we could start off with you telling us where you find yourself today, both geographically and perhaps emotionally as well. What does the world look like for you?[00:00:21] Barbara: So, actually in a very interesting place because I am visiting one friend who was living with me in Bosnia, who's one of the persons that started with me and developed with me the project of No Name Kitchen in Bosnia. And so I'm visiting her that we didn't see her for the last four years because we're all the time very busy with our lives and with our different projects.So I'm here with her these days with plan to head to Croatia next week. Because the political context changed in the borders a little bit in the last month and now there are people on the move in that are passing through Rijeka, this one Croatian city, and I want to go to see the situation there.And then maybe, if I find the time, I will also head Kladusa and Bihac that are the border areas of Bosnia where I used to live in the past and where I spend a lot of time with my life there. [00:01:14] Chris: Mm. Interesting. And you're from Spain originally, is that correct? [00:01:18] Barbara: Yeah, I'm from Spain and normally I, I spend the most of the time in Spain in the last years because sometimes you need a break from the border. Emotionally I feel very well as well because I'm with my friend who is a brilliant person and I adore her. She was a perfect colleague you know, when you're at the border, the life is very tough. You see a lot of people suffering.But having her as a colleague, it was beautiful thing because we gave too much support to each other. [00:01:44] Chris: What a blessing. What a blessing. Mm. [00:01:47] Barbara: I was very lucky. [00:01:49] Chris: Well, I know that a lot of the work that No Name Kitchen does is based in the Balkans and as well in Ceuta in Spain. And we'll come to those regions momentarily.But I'd like to ask you first why no name Kitchen? Why a kitchen without a name? [00:02:07] Barbara: It's a very nice story because No Name Kitchen was born in a very informal way. You know, it is not actually an organization. It's a movement of people. And there are different organizations registered in different countries, but itself No Name Kitchen is a movement of people helping people. And in 2017, so let's make a little bit of context. In 2016, European Union sent money to Turkey to close the border of the Balkans. Yeah. So, in the beginning of 2017, in the winter, many people found themselves in Serbia. They were trying to migrate to go to some country in Europe, and then they found themselves in Serbia with the borders of European Union closed. And many people like were activists that went to Greece to help people on the move because they knew the situation or what was happening since 2015.You probably remember in 2015 all this amount of people that were going from Turkey to somewhere in Europe to ask for asylum, to seek international protection. So many people were in Greece helping. They got information that in the city center of Belgrade, which is the capital city of Serbia, they were like more than 1000 people, mainly from Afghanistan at that moment, many of them minors with no parents, living in the old train station in a very bad conditions. And the weather was horrible. It was super cold. It was probably one of the coldest winters of the last years. So they just went there. They got some food from an organization. They went there and they saw a horrible situation where no one of the big institutional organizations were helping.So then, they, with these posts that they had and asking for, help in social media, in their own social media, people start sending money and they start cooking right away. So, then they found this group of activists from many countries found themselves cooking every day and also together with people on the move and distributing food every day, every night.And then one day, they were like, this seems like an organization. We actually are kind of organization. And then one guy, one from Afghanistan, he wrote on the wall with a spray kitchen. No, because it's like, we have a kitchen, we have an organization, but we have no name. And then it's the same guy.He wrote "No Name," and then it was like, "No Name Kitchen." And it just stay like this. I think it's amazing. It's a very pure name and it really shows what is the way No Name Kitchen movement works. Its informal way of people cooperating and doing things together and helping each other.[00:04:31] Chris: And so in that context, it was a spontaneous organization of people, or how did they, I mean, obviously people heard about this, but how did they come to organize together? [00:04:41] Barbara: Social media is most instant thing, right? So, they opened this facebook profile, and then they say, what is going on. Some journalists started going there because these activists started talking about the situation. So, journalism and photojournalists went there and start showing the images. Mm-hmm. Oh, because it was really like minus 20 degrees and things like that. And people were living in the old train station and were using this wood from the old train station that has this liquid that is toxic.So it was pretty awful. And also at the same time, the activists start hearing all these stories about the pushbacks, which is, yeah, something I would keep denouncing, since then, that is when people try to enter European Union, police will push them back to Serbia with violence, which is totally illegal.So yeah, it was just people that were in Greece trying to help people in Greece. Finally, everybody knows everybody in this activist world, and if you don't know anyone, then you contact someone and then this person will tell you, "Ah, there is this group of people doing that."Maybe you're interested. And then with the Facebook, they started to ask for donations. They started to call for more people to go and help because the situation was a big emergency and needed more, more people. Some other people will give interviews on newspapers, for example. I was not there at the moment. I arrived some months later. And how I met No Name Kitchen is because one girl told her situation to one Spanish newspaper. I read this interview. I found like amazing what they're doing. I found them on the social media and I contacted No Name Kitchen. And then I head to Belgrade few months after. So yeah, spontaneously. [00:06:11] Chris: Within the kitchens themselves, if we can call it that, within the No Name Kitchens, what kind of people end up showing up?Are these people who are already a part of the No name Kitchen Network? Or are they local people as well? [00:06:24] Barbara: Well, we call ourselves "kitcheners." It's many different kind of people. Like really it's, it's people. People want to help. People are good, despite all the politics that surround us, there is a lot of beautiful people in this world, and they can be someone who is. Retired and he was a lawyer in his life and now he finished his work and he's 66 years old and he wants to do something and he goes to Serbia and he spends there two months. He can be someone that's 22 years old and is doing an internship for the university and decided instead of doing a very easy internship, they will come with us and face what is really the situation in Europe? It's a very wide movement of people. Some of them can come to the borders and we have a policy of minimum one month cause it makes everything easier for the work, right? But then also a kitchener is a person that is in his home or her hometown gathering beautiful clothes to send to the border so people can dress nicely and is a person that is making some event in her or his town to raise money to share, to send to the activities. And there's really a lot of people, because many people are good and many people wanna help. They understand we cannot really be living in this Europe that they are making for us, the politicians. No, we need a more human place to live. Yeah. It's true. As you mentioned before, that is more people from the south of Europe and Germany also, not so much from the north of Europe.[00:07:45] Chris: Speaking of the issues in the Balkans, in between Serbia and Turkey and Greece, of course. Perhaps for our listeners, if you could, perhaps there's a way of summarizing briefly the main issues that are arising in Southern Europe regarding these immigration crises.Why is this happening? What are the major positions of the European Union, of organizations like No Name Kitchen, and what does that dynamic look like? From a distance, [00:08:15] Barbara: So first, I wanted to tell you in No Name Kitchen we don't say "migration crisis" because there are not really so many people who are migrating.So the crisis has been it's a border crisis, a political crisis. It's a humanitarian crisis. There are not so many migrants. And if the borders will be open, all this mess will not be happening. Right? So we don't call it migration crisis. So, basically according to the European Union law, if you wanna apply for asylum, if you come from a country that is in war or a country with a dictatorship, that when you complain about something or you can see yourself in jail from a country in conflict or whatever or you're from LGBTQ++ if you wanna apply for asylum is very, very few chances that you can get any visa to travel to Europe. So imagine you're in Syria, you're in Afghanistan, you're in Iraq, you're in Morocco, and you wanna apply for asylum to come to Europe or to get any visa that will allow you to come to Europe by plane.It's very, very, very few chances that they will give you any visa to come. But the European Union law also says that if you're in the European Union soil and you apply for asylum and you apply for international protection, it's your right that the country where you are, it starts a procedure to see and to understand if you really need this protection, which long legal procedure.And it takes a while. Yeah. So that basically is one of the main reasons why people are seeing themselves crossing borders in irregular manners and seeing themselves risking their lives as it just happened now from Libya, this shipwreck in Greece. So people are coming from Libya to Italy and now.A lot of people have died and others are in centers in Greece now. So this is the main point why people will cross the borders in irregular manners. But then there is a problem and it's like European Union is not following its own rules. So then when a person arrives in, for example, let's say Greece, let's say Bulgaria, I say this because they are more in the south, let's say Croatia or Hungary, countries that are bordered with other their countries, the people arrived there and then when they tried to apply for asylum, the most of common thing that can happen to them. And what we've been denouncing since the very beginning because people were explaining to us and we saw it was something very systematically. And it's something that is happening on a daily basis is that police take them back to this other country, which means a pushback. We call this a "pushback."And many times these pushbacks, which are illegal according to the European Union law, come with a lot of violence. Many times the police will steal the things from the people on the move. And many times they take, for example, their shoes when it's winter and then people to walk in the snow in the winter without shoes until they arrive to a safe place.So this is basically why people are crossing borders in this ways. Then another question that is very common, why a person will not stay, for example, in Bosnia, will not stay in Serbia, in North Macedonia, which are safe countries, which are very nice countries. Yeah. So, the problem is that if you look to the numbers, there are very few people, that get asylum there.So, there is people that tried too because it's like, okay, I'm in a safe place. There's no work here, and it's a beautiful place. But then if you look to the numbers, there are very, very, very few people every year that can access asylum. And while also you're waiting for your asylum to proceed, normally they keep you in those camps that really don't have the basic conditions to really have a decent life. I mean, these refugee camps, transit camps; it depends how they them in each country. [00:11:54] Chris: Wow. Thank you. And the major sites that no-name Kitchen operates in include Ceuta in Spain, which surprisingly, is actually on the African mainland. Mm-hmm. As well as in the Balkans in Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Patras, Greece. [00:12:13] Barbara: Patras has just finished. Right. Basically many people are not going anymore to Greece as before because in Greek, the polices became very tough against people who are migrating. So, many times people are forced to be in detention centers, like in detention camps while they apply for asylum, while they wait for the asylum to proceed. It's like really a jail. Mm-hmm. So now many people go through Bulgaria and then Serbia.So in Greece there are not so many people anymore as it used to be. And we just close few weeks ago. But we're always open that there are more people start coming to Greece that we can reopen any project there. Okay. [00:12:47] Chris: And these other sites then in Ceuta as well as Serbia, Bosnia, and Bulgaria, these places are so important for No Name Kitchen in part because this is essentially where the movement of people flows through?[00:13:01] Barbara: We are basically in the borders because we do many things, not every day. We share food, clean clothes, provide tools that people can have hot showers, because also the many people don't have access to water. We have a health project that if someone needs a paid treatment because it's like, for example, dentist or for the eyes.And then in the hospital they don't wanna to give any of these treatments and we pay for the private doctors and so on. So it's many activities that we do every day about spending time with people in the movement, listening and spending and sharing our stories. But then all this also bring us to see how much their rights are attacked all the time.So then the aim is to denounce. The aim is that we don't need not to give this charity because there will be justice and then people don't need anymore. So the aim is to denounce what is happening all the time. So, in the place where we're is basically border areas. Mm-hmm. The border areas is where you can see how Europe is really not respecting the human rights.And because quite tough places, there is not so many movements on these areas. So for example, the humanitarian aid is pretty much criminalized. So normally police will disturb you just because you're giving jackets to people. Mm. So it's are places that are strategically for denouncing. And since it just started in Serbia, first it started in Belgrade, but three months after the team moved to Sid, which is in the border with Croatia because many people were there. And it was a point where you could really denounce on the pushbacks from Croatia. So then, all the other projects have been going very much together with the idea of reporting the border violence.Yeah. Mm. And in Ceuta, Spain, which is bordered with Morocco. It's like another border for people because even if it's a Spain, people are not allowed to take a ferry very easily to the mainland, it's very difficult. So there is a lot of bureaucratic problems in the middle, like barriers that are being pushed to the people, so then they don't have the chance to cross legally to the mainland.So many people also risk their life there. And at the same time, sometimes there are pushbacks from Ceuta to Morocco. We've denounced the pushbacks of minors and actually together with other organizations from Spain. And actually the former delegate of the government got investigated for that. And they are under, I dunno how you say in English, like invest. [00:15:27] Chris: Investigations. [00:15:29] Barbara: Yeah. So basically border areas are very much important for what we wanna denounce. Mm. And now we're starting operating in Ventimiglia, Italy, which even inside of Italy is very near France.And we visited the place there and then we saw how there are also pushbacks from France. So this is another place that it could, it could be interesting to denounce, because many, many times people would think like, ah, but this is happening there in Croatia and Serbia you know, like, Serbia is not European Union, so people sometimes think that when we are talking about the pushbacks and all this violence, like very far from us, and it's difficult to make people understand that it's actually with the money that comes from the European Union. That means that if you are from the European Union or you're working here and paying taxes here, your taxes are used to pay to torture people, basically.No. Mm wow. So it's also nice to be inside of Europe to show how this violence is systematic in the different borders. [00:16:23] Chris: Right. And in the context of these pushbacks I imagine they're happening in all different contexts and circumstances. Could you give us a little bit of an idea of what that looks like?I mean, I imagine a few different things. I imagine that people are in detention centers, people are in refugee camps. I imagine that in some instances people are simply on the street and then perhaps in others trying to get a meal. [00:16:51] Barbara: I mean, we don't see the pushbacks. Pushbacks are hidden. And also we are at the other side of the borders. We only can meet people after they got pushed-back.. Yeah. Mm. Okay. So for example, you're in Serbia and this person tells you, like, I just been pushback from Hungary.We're not in the border area. You cannot be at the border. We're in different towns near the border areas. Ok. So a pushback is like a person tries to cross the border in different ways. For example, walking the forest, hidden. It's very common.So these are the stories that people tell to us. And then at some points, police see them in maybe in Hungary or maybe in Bulgaria, or maybe in Croatia. Those are all European Union countries. And then either the police or it can be also neighbors that they believe they're patriots, they'll call the police.Mm-hmm. You can see the people on the move walking and then the police will can arrive there and can take the people back to the border by cars. Many times they need to sign papers that they don't know what is written on these papers. Many times they get lied by the police telling, like, if you sign this paper, you can access to asylum.And actually you're signing a paper that is making you a punishment for something or you're signing that you want to really go back to the other countries, so, you're signing something that you don't know. Many times people get put into detention places. It's very common in Bulgaria and in Croatia for example.And then when they leave these detention places, they are told that they need to pay for their days they've been sleeping there for the accommodation on the food, which is like normally according to what people explain to us, accommodation on food are awful. Many times, not even enough food. And many times we're talking that those are children or very young people, as well.And then police will take them to the border and then force them to come back to the country that is not European Union, which means maybe Bosnia, maybe Serbia, or maybe Turkey if they're in Bulgaria. And many times this comes with very huge violence. As you can see in our websites, we speak often about this. No Name Kitchen created one Network that is called Border Violence Monitoring Network. Border Violence Monitoring Network. Now we are not anymore part of it since last month, because we will report in other ways by ourselves and with other different partners. But there you can find all the testimonies we've been gathering since 2017.And it's how the people describe to us what happens to them. Many times, you can't really see, because many times the people describe to you one situation and then they show you their back and in their back you see the marks of the batons or the marks of sticks or things like that, so it's very obvious to see that the person is injured. Many times people can come with blood or with bruises in their faces because the police did them in their faces. Wow. And then other of the things that is very common is to steal their belongings. So like this, you make more difficult for them to continue their trip because then they take their phones, their clothes, money.So then if you see yourself, for example, in Serbia, again with no phone, with no money, with no shoes, with no basic clothes, then you cannot continue your trip. You need to find a way to get money again. You need to find, like, for example, that your family sends to you and then you can buy another phone and then you can buy new shoes.So you can continue, at some point, your way to try to ask for international protection to some European Union country. Wow. Wow. [00:20:11] Chris: I guess there's this aspect of the state that seems so deeply involved in the suppression and repression of these movements, especially from asylum seekers, right?Mm-hmm. And I think this is something that you hear about quite a bit in many parts of the world where there are these border crises, right? In regards to people who live in the borderlands who are for whatever reason against the movement or flows of people in this regard against asylum seekers in this obviously ends up or can end up with not just hostility, but violence, racism, et cetera.And I'm also curious about the possibility of hospitality in these contexts. And certainly no name kitchen appears to take on that role and that responsibility quite a bit. And it's one of the main themes of this podcast, as well, is hospitality. And I'm reminded of this story that, some years ago and at the beginning of the war in Syria around 2015, 2016, I heard a rumor that Syrian refugees were hiding in the abandoned houses in my grandparents' villages in northern Greece, right on the border with North Macedonia in the daytime and waiting until night to cross the border, mostly to avoid capture and persecution at the hands of either Greek or Macedonian authorities. And last year I was visiting my grandmother there. She confirmed the story and said that this 85 year old woman, she left her house in the daytime, in the same village, with trays and trays of food and jars of water to offer these travelers before they moved along.Since no name Kitchen relies largely on donations, I'm wondering about this notion of old time hospitality as opposed to the kind of industrial hospitality we hear about or we see in the hotels. One of the themes of this season is also about what kind of old time hospitality still exists in Europe, and I'm wondering what you and your team might have seen in this regard?[00:22:29] Barbara: so, this is a very interesting question because things have changed so much during the years, and basically because the authorities have criminalized so much. The people on the move in general, like being a migrant is like being a criminal according to general speech from the politicians, which comes from the European Union. Mm-hmm. And at the same time, it's being criminalized. The help. Humanitarian help is being criminalized. So imagine for example, I wanna tell you the story in Bosnia, because Bosnia is the project where I spent the most of my time in the last years. When I arrived in Bosnia, in Kladusa, that is in the north of Bosnia near Croatia. It was middle of 2018 and people will be very nice. And then people will be very nice with people on the move. So people on the move did not have a place where to stay cause there was no camp created there. And the mayor of the town say that they can use this field and stay. So there was a field. And then like independent organizations or independent movements like No Name Kitchen or others will be building tents, will be providing blankets and showers and so on, because the institutional organizations were doing pretty much nothing.And at the moment, they were like around 1000 people. There, it was already very difficult to cross and there were already a lot of pushbacks, so it was really difficult to cross. And some people stayed there for two years. So imagine how many wow pushbacks can it be that people can stay there up to two years.And the local people were also very nice. They will go to this camp, which is called... to this field. And will bring food, will bring clothes, will spend their cooking together, time with people because they were, lot of families, a lot of children from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Morocco.And so. So it was actually very nice to see. And also from our side with the local people. Local people really welcome us very nicely, because they knew that we are going there to help and they were actually very worried to see all these people in the move suffering so much. You know, because also, it's very hard for them.You have to understand that in Bosnia was a very bad, cruel war, not so long time ago. Right. When you see yourself, that you need to see how children are walking in the night pretty much cold because they were just pushed back with their families. And then you see people with bruises in their faces and things like that.It is also very hard for the Bosnian people. Mm-hmm. But despite that, they were very welcoming and very nice. When the months start passing, the police start criminalizing the humanitarian aids. So, that means that, for example, there was this family that had some people in the move living in their place for free and then the police put them a fine of like, it was like 1000-2000 thousand Euro, which is lot of money for Bosnian income.Then if you have a bar and people can enter your bar, police will go to disturb you. So then in many bars, it started to be written and which is very sad to say and to imagine, but this happens, "migrants not allowed," in the door. Mm, [00:25:23] Chris: because the local people were also being harassed or under threat as a result.[00:25:28] Barbara: So the police will disturb very much the owners of the bars, right. ...where they welcomed people on the move. And then with the time also, because there are many places that do not accept people on the move. Then if you accept people on the move, many people will be there because there is not so many places anymore where they can spend the day.Like, having a coffee, being a pretty woman. So the criminalization of the people on the move started, like actually when the money from European Union came and then a camp was built, finally. A lot of money came. The institutional organizations obviously took over this money to build the camp, and then this speech started because there were like fights, who is going to manage the camps and so on. Then, for example, as it happens everywhere, because this is not exclusively in Kladusa, as it happens everywhere, whenever there are any elections, migrants are used for getting votes. No. So, for example, in 2020 after the lockdown, which was already a very hard period, there were elections in the north of Bosnia, and then the politicians used the migrants for their speech.And a lot of hate speech was spread. So, and even was local people would organize themselves to go and beat migrants. So, it changed from being super nice to the thought that these people are not good. European Union keeps exposing these people. European Union authorities send a lot of money to the borders to keep these people out of the European Union.So something might be wrong with them. European Union feels with the right to beat these people in their faces. To push them back and also with violence. So maybe these people are not so worth it. So, it's like how all these actions that come from all these European Indian countries are dehumanizing people.In a very bad way. Also, people will complain like, "ah, because the people are not clean," and of course they're not clean because the authorities cut the access to water, so they main access to water so you can have a proper shower was cut for a while. Things like that. So it seems very much from the moment that everybody was super welcoming to the opposite.And this is very much related with the speech that EU sends to the people who are trying to seek asylum. [00:27:33] Chris: Mm. So you think that this change in the way that people perceive these people on the move and the flows of people, it comes from the top down that it's a diffusion of EU based, state-based, language that then gets diffused as it rolls down the pyramid as it makes its way into social media, for example.[00:27:59] Barbara: Yeah, sure. The thing is that if the main authority, the main one is sending millions of euros and they say always, you can listen to Ursula von der Leyen for example, who is the president of the European Commission. She will say like, we're sending money to fight mafias of human trafficking.We're sending money to reinforce the borders, to protect our borders. You need to protect our borders because someone wants to attack the border, right? Mm-hmm. You're getting this work protection, right? Are we protecting from a six year old child from Syria? We're protecting from this actually. So, but when you're using these speech, you're making the people understand that we need to get protected from them.So that means these people are dangerous, right? Mm-hmm. And you're telling this. You're sending millions of euros every year to protect the borders and to fight against human trafficking mafias. This is what they say. It's not me. So, of course, a person who is sitting on her house and knows that some people that in her town, there is 800 people, for example, walking that she doesn't know, she would believe like, "ah, these people are dangerous" because what you, what what this woman who has authorities telling the television openly.Right? [00:29:08] Chris: I had an interview with Fiore Longo, who's a representative of Survival International, one of the oldest NGOs in Europe, in the world. And in that interview, she spoke at length about how the major NGOs in the conservation world, World Wildlife Fund, African Parks, and the rest of them, were essentially collaborating with state governments in Africa in order to push indigenous people off their traditional lands, in order to create national parks or national reserves or ecotourism organizations or companies. And I'm curious within the context of the border crises in Europe, how No Name Kitchen sees these much larger NGOs, the ones that I imagine getting money from governments and also helping to change government policy. [00:30:08] Barbara: We, as No Name Kitchen movement do not get any money from the European Union nor from governments. Why? Because if you as European commission are sending these millions of euros to "protect borders," how they say. To close the borders, while you are allowing the pushbacks because the pushbacks are being denounced.We brought this information to the European Parliament. It is there. It's not a secret. Everybody knows this happening. So, if you ask a European commission are sending all these big amounts of money, but then this European commission is sending also lots of money to these people that are rejected and that are abused at the borders, to create camps for them.Yeah, you can imagine how much this European Commission cares these people and how much nice might be these camps. Those camps are catastrophic, horrible. And many people have a lot of scabies. Many people have diseases from bedbugs and come to us actually to ask for cure because they are ignored.So the big institutional organizations, and I don't gonna say names because I'm talking on behalf of No Name Kitchen are many times inside of these camps and are getting money to manage these camps, which many times are like this. And sometimes there is no bedsheet at all. It's just this old, dirty mattress, what people can find when they entering the camp. And so you are getting these huge millions of money from the European Union and then you are keeping quiet about the abuses at the borders, what is this?Everybody can know which organizations they are because actually information is there. And normally they have these big advertisements showing people also, this is something that makes me very angry, because as I tell you, they are people. They're in different circumstances that we're, right now. They're same like you, and they were in their country, living a normal life until something happen.But they don't like to see themselves in this situation. Imagine that you are like now and then a war starts there, and then you need to see yourself asking for shoes, asking for food. This is catastrophe. This is very complicated. This is really difficult for them. But then they get these advertisements on the TV showing people like, "hi, these poor refugees, they need our help. Look these poor children, how much they need our help." But also you're kinda dehumanizing them a little bit. No, because you're showing them as these poor people that didn't know how to do the things by themselves when actually people on the move, in general, they are the bravest people I have ever met.Cause really this journey is something that you really, really need to be a brave person because the most of people will not do the journey. They stay in a calm area closer to their countries. And then they show them like these poor people, like if they will really not have power to change their situation and it's never like this.But then they make these advertisements, obviously. They not only get money from the European Union, but also from donors that with all their good intention want to support these poor people in their refugee camps. For example, Greece put this rule in 2020. This refugee camp, it was at the detention center, but like really like a jail of maximum security. That you really cannot leave this place. So if there is this government making these rules that against the human rights, keeping people into detention center, that's because you're applying for a asylum.But your asylum is, is being analyzed. Why, EU as an institutional organization are supposed to work for the human rights are supporting this and supporting these decisions from the government and then the government will say, "okay, now this kind of organization cannot be anymore in the camps." Then you don't denounce this publicly. You keep quiet about the situation inside of the camps. So are we really here for the people's rights? Or you're here because of your money.[00:33:37] Chris: Wow. And I'm curious about this notion of open borders in the context of tourism as well. Right. Because tourism operates largely on this notion of open borders. Those who can fly, those who can travel, those who have the right passports can go wherever they want.Although you have to go through customs, you have to go through security when you go to a new country, of course, and usually there's limits on how long you can stay and things like that. Generally, the pro-immigration movements there is also very much this kind of discourse, this fight for open borders in terms of asylum seekers and essentially making it easier to create that kind of hospitality that's needed for people in flight, people in exile.And so I'm curious about the dynamic between the two. Right? In a lot of places in southern Europe especially, you see graffiti that says, "migrants, welcome. Tourists, go home." Right? And so I'm curious what you think of these two major avenues or channels of movement in the world between tourism and then the movement of people in flight or in exile.[00:34:56] Barbara: Mm-hmm. Yeah, actually tourism is seen as a very positive thing. And then we already know that actually the reason doesn't necessarily need to be positive.It can make very expensive, your city. If we talk about some countries in the world, it can bring you some pedophiles too; misuse and abuse children. You know, like tourism can bring many good things, many bad things, like everything in life. No. Right. We always say that we don't cross borders, borders crossed us, separate us.So in Spain, for example. I say Spain because it's my country and we also operate there. To listen like, "ah, because we need more children because you know, like birth rate is pretty low," and it's true that we are not having so many children anymore. And we young people and then this and that, but then we have all these people who are, have migrated already, who are living in Spain from different countries, and who are young people that will be ready to study and to get education and to start working pretty fast because we are talking about people who are maybe like teenagers. And so, but the system doesn't try to help them. Doesn't really put any effort. You know, in a Spain, there is one term that is "MENA," to speak about people who have migrated, who are children. So, they normally the fastest called the MENA just to dehumanize one person, because you're using just these letters, you know, MENA means like "Menor Extranjera, Non-Acompanado" (Unaccompanied Underage Foreigner). So you're using just this term look out children, you know, so it's a way of criminalizing them and at the same time, there are no proper initiatives to integrate these people to the system, for example. Then at the same time, we have a lot of tourism and now we have this digital nomad visa.Hmm. So look, in order you get the digital nomad visa, you need to have a pretty high income. Yeah. Right. So, that means that actually this, okay, " these people come to my town and then they'll have a lot of money." But yeah, they can make very expensive here your city. I don't know if you've seen both in Libson and in Medellin there is already protest against digital nomads because they're making everything expensive. Also in Medellin, it seems that prositution Increases, so rich people are abusing people who are poor, women, of course, who are poor.And it raise the prostitution according to what I read and what I report because I also write about these kind of things with colleagues that I interviewed. So yeah, I know, like for example, it's not open borders. Open borders. Last year we were telling, that if we will allow the people who are in the Balkans to enter European Union and to ask for asylum, and also we're asking those of Europe to respect their own law.We're not asking for something very big. We're telling them respect your own law and your own international agreements and respect the human rights. Yeah. Which is basic. We always told like if these people who were in the Balkans were not so much, really, not so much would enter, there would not be crisis anymore.All this s**t would not be happening. And last year we could see when Ukrainian war started and selling millions of people who arriving into European Union countries and could get a house very fast. The children could go to study in short time. They could get integrated into the system in very few times.So this means that we are being racist because why we can host, I don't know how many millions of people born in Ukraine and keeping the war in Ukraine and we cannot host some thousand people who come from Syria, Iraq, or Afghanistan. This is racism, basically. Mm-hmm. Because in the Balkans, you find families who are three years in the Balkans, who have children. Three years without going to school.People who are getting themselves poor. You know, people when they left, it's not so easy to do this, this trip. It's very expensive. It's very hard. They have a business, for example, in Afghanistan, and then they go threatened by the Talibans or the one that the children are taken by the talibans to fight whatever.And then they say, okay, let's sell our business. Let's sell our house, our lands. They call this money and let's go to search for the future for our family. Then, they see themselves three years and the children don't go to school, that they cannot work, that they spend all their money every day. Cause there is no way to really find a job or get an income.So finally, this is racism. All this difference between a person comes from Ukraine and a person that is coming from Syria. [00:39:20] Chris: Wow. In regards to the relationships that are built between the Kitcheners of No Name Kitchen and the asylum seekers, do any of those friendships end up developing once those people have found a place to settle, a place to stay?[00:39:41] Barbara: Yeah, yeah, of course. It's true that now, it's not so easy to be spend time together because the police is really much disturbing you because you're giving a jacket to someone. So, it doesn't allow you to spend so much time anymore, together. But in general, what we promote in No Name Kitchen and what is very important for us, that we are really together.No, because we are people. All of us, we are people, just in different circumstances. We're actually all of us migrants. Some of them are local people as well, that are supporting us. Cause many local people support our activities. Maybe not always so active because finance is very tired to be every day in your own hometown doing these things.I'm facing all these challenges. For us it's very important to create networks of trust and mutual understanding. So, it's not only you are helping someone. No, no, it is not about this. It's about, you are there, you are learning with a, with a person. We are spending time with a person.It's amazing for me being volunteer with No Name Kitchen is amazing because you can learn so much. You can meet so much amazing people. And I tell you that I'm here with a colleague that she was with me in Bosnia. And then next week, some friends who live in different European countries are gonna come to visit us. One is originally from Syria. The other originally from Pakistan. Mm-hmm. They're gonna come here to visit because now they are already have made their lives. One is living in France. The other is living in the Netherlands. They have their papers, everything, so now they can travel freely around European Union.So this is very, very, very important for us. And actually these networks are very valuable because maybe some person arrives later to some country and then this person has already friends in this country. Mm. [00:41:16] Chris: Right. And in some instances, some of the people do end up returning, or maybe not returning is the right word, but reuniting with No Name Kitchen and other places to help perhaps serve those on the move for a time.[00:41:30] Barbara: Yeah. Like taking papers in Europe, it takes very long, so it's not so easy. And we started only in 2017. So many of the people that we know, they're still on the way to get papers. Really long process. No, but for example, there is this friend of me who is from Iran and I met him in Kladusa, in Bosnia, and now he's living in France.And the other day he wrote me. He was with two colleagues of me that he also met them in Bosnia and he was visiting them and the newborn baby they have been. And he would really like to come to volunteer with No Name Kitchen because now he has documents that he could. But at same time, because of the working conditions finally in this racist work, sometimes cannot be the same for everybody.Right. So he doesn't have the chance to just get one whole month to come. But at some point, yeah, he's thinking about coming. It can be difficult cause then I tell you that police sometimes are chasing people who are not white. So, sometimes it can be difficult, but at the same time. But yeah. Well the idea is like many of our friends now at some point will start not getting, or are getting documents. So, this is a network of people with people and for people. Mm [00:42:31] Chris: mm Amazing. Yeah. It does remind me of the philosophies and practices of mutual aid, (of apoyo mutuo). [00:42:38] Barbara: But it's very important. The other day I was telling to my therapist because I go to the therapy because of the stress.Yeah. So, we're talking about. And last time I was on the field and then she was telling like, yeah, " who helps you when you're helping?" It's like no, you cannot imagine like people on the move have really tried to help you, as well.You know? Like they cannot help us with that distribution. They can help us giving a lot of support. For example, when I was living in Bosnia and I had like a free day, I would go to my friends, to their squats. They had a very warm stove there. And I would be as there, they would cook for me, know, we would be playing board games, we would be laughing and that was my holiday.And for me that was a great moment, where to spend my free day, with them, and they would be taking care of me because they knew I was very stressed and they wanted me to be spoiled one day.[00:43:28] Chris: It's beautiful. Really beautiful. Yeah. The kind of hospitality that can arise in times of conflict, right? Mm-hmm. And so in a time of border crises seems to exist in so many parts of the world, so few people at least in my purview or my understanding actually know about these border crises or understand the complexity around them.And so I'm curious what kind of advice you might have for people who are either critical of immigration or people who want to understand the issues more deeply, and of course those who support asylum secrets. [00:44:16] Barbara: Yeah, I mean finally we're in the era of information, right? So if you wanna get information, good information, because you need to identify the misinformation sources.If you wanna get good information, there is a lot. So yes, please get informed and also go with people that have migrating and talk to them. Cause you'll meet them and you'll spend a lot of time with them and then you'll see how are their stories behind. And also, I really recommend people to get more information about this because I cannot believe that in the 21st century we are using the money of our taxes to pay for torture.This is just insane because this is torture, really, what is happening at the borders of the European Union. And I guess many people in European Union countries do not want their taxes to be spent like this. But at the same time, they don't get informed about this. There are so many sources of information. From us in our social media, we keep informing on a daily basis about the different things that are happening always. But in general, there are very good newspapers all over in different languages where you can get good information and also go to people and talk to people. [00:45:21] Chris: Yeah. It's I mean, go to people and talk to the people. The people that you know, you would perhaps not even talk to, just criticize, without having anything to do with.Right. And that most of those people that have an incredible unwillingness, like they're willing to criticize, but they're not willing to go and talk to the people who they're criticizing. Right. And it's really interesting because as you were talking about earlier, you know, Lisbon and Medellin and the backlash against digital nomads and things like that.This is happening as well in Oaxaca although against tourists in general. Some people ask me like, well, what do we do? And, and I say, well, why don't you go talk to the tourists? Ask them why they're here. Ask them what their life is like, because there's this image, this single or singular image of the tourist and it's a caricature, it's a stereotype, and it says that all tourists are exactly the same. They come for the same reasons. They do the same things. And they have nothing to do with us, right? They're totally the opposite of who we are and all of this stuff.And it's very, very similar to the way that people especially people who speak poorly of immigrants or people on the move also view this and just this unwillingness to speak with the other, right. Hmm. So much to consider. My plate is full with all you've offered today. And I'm deeply grateful to have been on the receiving end of your words today. I'm curious, Barbara how might our listeners get involved in No Name Kitchen?How might they find out more and follow your work online. [00:47:05] Barbara: Yeah, welcome everybody. We have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. And also now we started some months ago in TikTok. But yeah, we're on social media and also we try very much to always report everything we know, so people on the move know that they can rely on us if they want to denounce something publicly. And here we are for that. Welcome everybody to follow our task and to get to know more about the situation at the borders.[00:47:31] Chris: Thank you so much. On behalf of our listeners, it's been an honor to speak with you and, and to really get a deeper perspective onto these notions of exile and immigration and borders and border crises happening in the world now. So I'm really grateful for your willingness to speak with us today and to be able to add that layer to the conversation. [00:47:53] Barbara: Thanks very much to you for, invite us, for, invite me, for give voice to the situation and everybody welcome to follow what we do.Thank you very much. [00:48:01] Chris: Thank you, Barbara. Take care. [00:48:04] Barbara: Take care. Bye. 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Arranca la reunión de presidentes de los ocho países de la región amazónica con el reto de frenar la destrucción de una de las regiones más importantes para la vida del planeta.Entrevista con Survival International sobre las propuestas de las comunidades indígenas, muchas de ellas sin presencia en el encuentro. Níger y Ucrania, y un repaso a otras noticias del día. Escuchar audio

1-Stati Uniti. Il congresso ha approvato nella notte il nuovo tetto del debito. Ora tocca al Senato esprimersi prima del 5 giugno, data indicata come scadenza per evitare un default. ( Roberto Festa) 2-" In Brasile è in atto un ingiustizia inaccettabile contro gli indigeni ”. Il parlamento controllato dalle destre vota la legge sulla delimitazione delle terre in Amazzonia. L'intervista a Francesca casella di Survival International. 3-Crimini di guerra in Afghanistan. Il soldato più decorato dell'Australia perde una storica causa per diffamazione contro i principali giornali. ( Martina Stefanoni) 4-Musica e impegno politico. Ritorno sul concerto di Roger Waters a Francoforte. ( Marcello Lorrai)

Los pueblos indígenas no contactados del Amazonas peruano están en riesgo si el Congreso del país andino da luz verde a un proyecto de ley vinculada a grandes empresas petroleras y gasísticas internacionales. Lo analizamos con Teresa Mayo, investigadora de Survival International.   Escuchar audio

Grave accidente ferroviario en Grecia, en el que han colisionado dos trenes, uno de mercancías y otro de pasajeros, cuando circulaban por la misma vía. Hay decenas de fallecidos. Hablamos también de Nigeria, donde hay un enorme lío político tras las elecciones del fin de semana, que la oposición tilda de irregulares. Nuestro compañero Santi Barnuevo habla con la Nobel de la Paz de 2021, María Ressa, y charlaremos con Teresa Mayo, de Survival International, de un polémico proyecto de ley peruano que supone una gravísima amenaza para los pueblos indígenas de la región amazónica peruana. Escuchar audio

On this episode, my guest is Fiore Longo, a Research and Advocacy Officer at Survival International, the global movement for tribal peoples. She is the director of Survival International France and Survival International Spain. Fiore coordinates Survival's conservation campaign, and has visited many communities in Africa and Asia that face human rights abuses in the name of conservation. Months ago, Survival International reached out to let me know what was happening in Tanzania regarding the brutal and illegal evictions of the Maasai from their territories. Finally, we managed to record what is a deeply nuanced and important conversation regarding those very evictions and their history. We discuss the western imaginary of nature, the enclosure of the commons & the creation of national parks, the second industrial revolution in Africa, the contradictions and criminality of conservation NGOs, how eco-reserves are created to make room for tourism and the costs that come along with it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Survival International Official Website: Maasai Evictions Press Release The Maasai Are Under Attack in the Name of Conservation: 'This Is Our Land, and We Won't Leave' Why 30×30 would be the worst possible outcome of COP15 Survival International Official Website: Decolonizing Conservation Campaign Film: Serengeti Shall Not Die Journalist Mark Dowie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support the podcast and the movement through our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/theendoftourism Discover more episodes and join the conversation: http://www.theendoftourism.com Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter @theendoftourism‍

​​In this episode of Brazil Unfiltered, James Naylor Green speaks with Fiona Watson. Fiona is Research and Advocacy Director at Survival International, the global movement for tribal peoples' rights. She has been with Survival since 1990 and worked on many campaigns for Indigenous peoples' rights, notably with the Yanomami, Guarani, and Awá in Brazil. She has visited many Indigenous communities in South America and is a specialist on uncontacted tribes in the Amazon. She carried out fieldwork with a Quechua Indigenous community in the Peruvian Andes for her Masters degree and lived in the Brazilian Amazon for two years in the 1980s.Brazil is going through turbulent times. There's never been a more important moment to understand Brazil's politics, society, and culture. To go beyond the headlines, and to ask questions that aren't easy to answer. 'Brazil Unfiltered,' does just that. This podcast is hosted by James N. Green, Professor of Brazilian History and Culture at Brown University and the National Co-Coordinator of the U.S. Network for Democracy in Brazil.Brazil Unfiltered is part of the Democracy Observatory, supported by the Washington Brazil Office, and produced by Camarada Productions.➡️ https://www.braziloffice.org/en/observatory#activities

Last week, the government of Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva kicked off a widespread operation to stop illegal mining on Yanomami Indigenous territory.Videos of the operation have gone viral over social media over the last week. In one, officers from Brazil's environmental protection agency IBAMA approach a boat of illegal miners trying to motor into the area. The officers wear bulletproof vests over tan and camouflage uniforms. Their guns are raised.“Stop,” they yell. “Stop. Turn around now.”The officers pull alongside the boat. "Get your hands on your heads,” they yell. “You're going to come with us.”The miners comply without a word. There are eight of them in the boat that is packed with bags and supplies.Since the operation kicked off, IBAMA officers have found and destroyed a plane, a helicopter and other heavy machinery.In a press conference last week, Justice Minister Flavio Dino said they were confiscating and destroying equipment so that it can't be reused in illegal activities and those people who refuse to leave may be arrested.Removing 20,000 illegal miners is not an easy task. Yanomami territory along Brazil's northern border is remote and huge — roughly two times the size of Switzerland. Wildcat gold mining on Yanomami territory increased 300% in the last four years under ex-president Jair Bolsonaro.Last week, a delegation of Yanomami leaders traveled to the US to raise further attention to their cause.“They want to steal our land and destroy our nature, our water,” Leader Davi Kopenawa told the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres at the opening of a Yanomami photography exhibit in New York. "They are bringing disease. That's why we're here."Fiona Watson traveled with the delegation in the United States. She's worked with the Yanomami for decades, and she's the director of research and advocacy at the London-based NGO Survival International."We had political meetings in Washington with the Organization of American States, with the State Department, USAID and various Congress people, and I think that was really important,” she said.“Because, Lula met with Biden last Friday, and it really put the Yanomami crisis into the spotlight.”The news reports and images of starving Yanomami children have shocked the world in recent weeks. At least 570 Yanomami children are reported to have died from malnutrition and curable diseases under the Bolsonaro government. Dozens more have been flown to hospitals in recent days. The communities are battling malaria, mercury poisoning from the wildcat gold mines, hunger and constant threats from the miners who are backed by criminal groups.President Lula visited the region on Jan. 20, where he promised to turn the tide.“I am here to say that we are going to treat our Indigenous peoples as first-class human beings. Not like fourth or fifth-class people,” he said. "What I have seen here is inhumane.”Lula has declared a humanitarian crisis for Yanomami territory.The Brazilian military has been delivering aid, food and supplies to Yanomami villages.Yanomami leaders blame former President Jair Bolsonaro for empowering illegal miners, gutting Indigenous and environmental protection agencies and ignoring their pleas for help."Many teams came from Bolsonaro's government to see our reality,” Junior Hekurari, the president of the Yanomami Health Council, told the Brazilian news outlet Brasil de Fato. "I took them around and showed them first hand, but unfortunately they just turned their backs or closed their ears."Brazil's Supreme Court has called for an investigation into allegations of genocide by the Bolsonaro government against the Yanomami people.But in an interview last week, Bolsonaro's former environment minister Ricardo Salles denied any wrongdoing by the former president."The responsibility for that situation is in the hands of all of Brazilian society,” he said. "All of Brazilian society has ignored the situation for the Indigenous in northern Brazil for a very long time."Salles further applauded Bolsonaro's attempts to legalize wildcat mining on Indigenous lands, which he said could have regulated the activity and its impact.Meanwhile, numerous videos shared online last week showed groups of miners voluntarily packing up and leaving their camps in Yanomami territory. "This is all very positive,” Fiona Watson said. "But what I fear, is that the intentions are there. They've hit the ground running. But time and time again, we've seen [this] in the past with the Yanomami and indeed other Indigenous territories. It's so easy for these illegal miners to go back and of course all the politicians and big economic interests behind something like the gold industry are still there.”Yanomami land is only one of numerous Indigenous territories that have been invaded by illegal miners in recent years. In other words, Indigenous leaders say, the government efforts are an important first step. But there is a long way to go.

In this hard-hitting, no-holds barred interview, Stephen Corry, who has been working as indigenous rights activist for some 50 years, gives his assessment of the outcome of COP15. Stephen brings an on-the-ground, hands-on perspective, and provides an analysis of the key policies and commitments that have been come out of COP15. In particular, Stephen provides a coruscating analysis of the way protected areas have actually been executed, how indigenous peoples have been systematically kicked off their lands—and sees the 30x30 conservation goal –30% of the planet in protected territories, without any humans—as a deeply cynical endeavour…driven by powerful underlying financial motives.  Stephen Corry has been working now for more than 50 years in the area of indigenous peoples' rights. He is the former CEO of Survival International, a London based charity that campaigns for the rights of uncontacted peoples indigenous and tribal peoples, and was awarded the Right Livelihood Award in 1989.

In December 2022, at the 15th Conference of the Parties of the UN Convention on Biological Diversity in Montreal, 188 countries adopted a new Global Biodiversity Framework to supposedly create strategies to halt biodiversity loss.The framework has been touted as a sweeping agreement to protect biodiversity by turning 30 percent of the planet's land and oceans into protected areas by 2030.While the agreement mentions partnerships with indigenous peoples, however, numerous environmental and human rights groups have criticized it for placing the greatest burden on indigenous peoples, least responsible for biodiversity loss, instead of addressing the real cause of the crisis. Pointing to research that shows that 80 percent of biodiversity is found on indigenous lands, Survival International criticized the agreement arguing that the best way to protect biodiversity is to protect the land rights of indigenous peoples instead of removing these communities from these new protected areas and banning those who have historically lived in harmony with the land from their ancestral homes and livelihoods. On this episode of Breaking Green we will talk with Fiore Longo of Survival International- an organization formed in 1969 to promote the rights of indigenous peoples as contemporary societies with a right to self-determination. Fiore Longo is a campaigner at Survival International, the global movement for tribal peoples and is the director of Survival International France and Spain. She also coordinates Survival's conservation campaign, and has visited many communities in Africa and Asia that face human rights abuses in the name of conservation. Don't miss an episode and subscribe to Breaking Green wherever you get your podcasts.This podcast is produced by Global Justice Ecology Project.Breaking Green is made possible by tax deductible donations from people like you. Please help us lift up the voices of those working to protect forests, defend human rights and expose false solutions.  Simply text GIVE to 716-257-4187.

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Pippa Small (@PippaSmallJewellery) is a responsible jeweller based in London's Westbourne Grove and she is considered to be one of the most inspirational leaders in the jewellery industry. Awarded an MBE by Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II in 2013, named ambassador of the human rights organisation Survival International and Winner of both the Ethical Jeweller of the Year and the Corporate Social Responsibility awards in 2016, and was also winner of the Green Sustainability Award by Town and Country magazine.In this interview, Pippa tells Anne how she fell in love with travel as a young child, following her widowed mother who took her children to exotic places. She became attracted to stones very early on, and she explains how through stones, she keeps a connection to the places and people that each are linked to, and also finds a sense of protection from them.Pippa shares how she went from studying medical anthropology to working with indigenous communities in South-East Asia before starting to develop her own jewellery. She started organically making her own pieces but she also developed her credentials working at Gucci under Tom Ford as a consultant designer in 2003. Even though, in her own words, her organic free flow jewellery felt at odds with the graphic and sexy feel of the Gucci house at the time she was recruited and briefed to go to India and design whatever she thought could work: colour, uneven shapes and a very different new aesthetic for their jewellery. This financially enabled her to start her first project working with the San bushmen in Botswana, combining her love of travel, working with indigenous communities and jewellery. Anne and Pippa discuss the historic importance of adornment and jewellery, going back to the caves of Lascaux, the luxury that is ‘made by hand' but also the great importance of learning to ‘make' or transmitting tradition in the communities that Pippa has been working with, from Bolivia to India, to Jordan, Myanmar and Colombia. With a brand new collection out, made in Colombia from ethically sourced gold called ‘Together Forever', Pippa and Anne talk about the difficulty of not just sourcing clean gold but motivating and educating consumers to talk about it. The designer finishes the interview by sharing her love of books, and how moved she is by the world. Happy listening!  ***You can find Pippa at https://pippasmall.com/On Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pippasmalljewellery/?hl=enOn Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.co.uk/Pippasmallpin/On Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pippasmalljewellery/On Twitter - https://twitter.com/pippasmallThe cave of Lascaux - https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux_Cave/The San bushmen in Botswana - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_peopleThe Kuna Indians - https://www.britannica.com/topic/KunaThe article in the Independent where Pippa discovered the environmental cost of producing a single gold band - https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/the-real-price-of-gold-5348614.htmlTurquoise Mountain Foundation - https://www.turquoisemountain.org/The Financial Times article on Pippa - https://www.ft.com/content/9ad9f7d9-043b-4a46-993a-cfa65d54b9adThe song ' What a wonderful world' by Louis ArmstrongThe full playlist from Out of the Clouds - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Viqm1uiiHtM5Y0FwTCtFR?si=7857c2daec32413aThe book 'The Other Side of Eden' by anthropologist Hugh Brody***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds 

On this episode of “Death in The Garden”, we share our film interview with Stephen Corry, former CEO of Survival International, indigenous rights activist, and author of Tribal Peoples: For Tomorrow's World. On this episode we discuss how land theft, assimilation, and sedentarization are threatening indigenous cultures worldwide in the name of homogenizing culture under a Western colonial paradigm. We talk about how dangerous this is, and how important it is for there to be diversity of cultures and lifeways in the world. We talk about the goodness in human nature, and how shame-based propaganda that makes us hate humanity is a useful diversion which makes us more susceptible to accepting false solutions, such as industrial veganism, 30x30 proposals, and electric vehicles. Stephen dispels the Myth of Pristine Wilderness and how it's been used to promote conservation and “protected areas” as a panacea to climate change, as well as questioning why the internet and military industrial complex are somehow immune to scrutiny within the topic of climate change. We break down the problems of individualism, consumerism, and the overall crisis of identity occurring in the West. We discuss the fragilities of the homogenized, anti-local ideology that has arisen from settler civilization, and talk about how the real solutions will be local, context specific, and grounded in relationship.Please give Stephen a follow on Twitter, and follow Survival International on Instagram and Twitter as well. Read Stephen's piece, A Deluge of Things: Von Humbolt, Da Vinci, and The Confounding of Nature and Scapegoats and Holy Cows: Climate Activism and Livestock.Support the project - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/deathinthegardenEditing: Jake MarquezMusic: “Give Us the Wind” by Future Islands Get full access to Death in The Garden at deathinthegarden.substack.com/subscribe

Denis de Bernardy helps create abundant gardens, ponds, and agroforestry systems. His book, A Natural Language, exposes environmental big lies and puts solutions in front of the actual problems. https://twitter.com/ddebernardy “A Natural Language” book online: https://ddebernardy.substack.com/p/a-natural-language Transition to what? Injustices of the "low carbon" economy and "green energy": https://www.wrm.org.uy/bulletins/issue-256 Nature-based Solutions: Concealing a massive land robbery: https://www.wrm.org.uy/bulletins/issue-255 Chris Lang (REDD Monitor): https://redd-monitor.org On conservancies and indigenous issues: Survival International: https://www.survivalinternational.org Mordecai Ogada: https://ogada.co.ke/publications/ Stephen Corry: https://www.counterpunch.org/author/stepcorr0988/ On soil emissions: The UN's forestry math framework: https://unfccc.int/topics/land-use/workstreams/land-use--land-use-change-and-forestry-lulucf Emissions tied to clear cutting: https://bg.copernicus.org/articles/16/3703/2019/ Seasonal CO2 plumes (sound off; also note the fires in forests and small farms): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1SgmFa0r04 12% of CO2 is fossil fuel: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34995221/ On environmentalism, the fake left, and actual nazis: Cory morningstar (Wrong Kind of Green): https://www.wrongkindofgreen.org Paul Cudenec (Winter Oak): https://winteroak.org.uk/ Whitney Webb, Cory Morningstar, and Iain Davis on the COP26 propaganda: https://rokfin.com/post/59836/Looking-Behind-the-COP26-Propaganda-with-Cory-Morningstar--Iain-Davis Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpw (full interview) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8 (essential bits) The Last American Vagabond (Ryan Cristian and team): https://thelastamericanvagabond.com/ James Corbett: https://www.corbettreport.com/bigoil/ Christian Westbrook (Ice Age Farmer): https://www.iceagefarmer.com (rarely updated) https://t.me/s/iceagefarmer Tragedy and Hope (Richard Grove): https://tragedyandhope.com/ On geoengineering: Dane Wigington interview: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/dane-wigington-interview-geoengineering-climate-change-gambling-with-the-human-species/ Geoengineering Watch: https://geoengineeringwatch.org/ On mind control: Dr James Giordano lecture on neural warfare: https://rumble.com/vt2nbx-neuro-science-terrorism-conducted-by-the-nsa....html Dr. Charles Morgan on Psycho-Neurobiology and War: https://rumble.com/vgx0tt-dr.-charles-morgan-on-psycho-neurobiology-and-war-mind-control..html Project Blue Beam: https://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml On solutions: James Corbett's Solutions Watch series: https://www.corbettreport.com/category/solutions/ James Corbett on local currencies: https://www.corbettreport.com/survivalcurrency/ —— Tom Nelson's Twitter: https://twitter.com/tan123 Substack: https://tomn.substack.com/ About Tom: https://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2022/03/about-me-tom-nelson.html Notes for climate skeptics: https://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2019/06/useful-notes-for-climate-skeptics.html ClimateGate emails: https://tomnelson.blogspot.com/p/climategate_05.html

'Tis the season for charitable giving and Giving Tuesday is right around the corner, but how can you be sure that your money is going to the right place? In this episode, I share how you can find the best charities to donate to. I answer some of the most common questions that people tend to have about charitable giving and share how you can align your money with your values. Tune in to learn how you can do the most good with your charitable donations. Find the full show notes here. Get the free guide Self-care for Changemakers for more support in creating the change you want to see in the world without sacrificing your health! This week (from now until November 19th, 2022) I'll be giving $1 to the awesome charity Survival International for each new person that joins my emails list. When you sign up you'll also receive a step-by-step email series that will help you identify your North Star AKA your personal mission statement. Your North Star can be your compass for charitable giving and your other impact work!

Le langage de la conservation de la nature serait d'essence colonial. C'est le postulat de l'ONG Survival International qui a récemment publié un guide pour le décoloniser. Ce guide revient sur le modèle dominant, celui de la conservation de la nature inspiré des politiques américaines dans les grands parcs, qui ne serait pas efficace pour la protection de l'environnement. Au contraire, ce modèle serait destructeur pour les peuples autochtones qui se retrouvent dépossédés de leurs terres. C'est pourtant cette politique que veulent mener les gouvernements, dont celui de l'Etat français, à travers la prochaine COP biodiversité et la Convention sur la diversité biologique où tenteront de s'accorder les chefs d'états pour transformer 30% de la Terre en aires protégées d'ici 2030. Avec cette initiative de Survival International à rebours des positions de nombreuses organisations écologistes, l'ONG dénonce un colonialisme vert et déroule une critique acerbe à l'encontre des aires protégées. Sur Le Média, Martin Léna, chargé de plaidoyer chez Survival International explique pourquoi il faut changer de paradigme et protéger les peuples autochtones dont les territoires abritent 80% de la biodiversité mondiale. Pour consulter la campagne de Survival International : https://www.survivalinternational.fr/sur/decolonisonslelangage ▶ Soutenez Le Média :

Dr. Aby Sène joins me to discuss fortress conservationism and the 30x30 plan, a proposal by Western conservation agencies and their corporate and state allies "to double the coverage of protected areas around the world by setting aside 30 percent of terrestrial cover for conservation by 2030." On the surface, the 30x30 proposal (the Post-2020 Global Biodiversity Framework) to protect biodiversity and wildlife seems like a promising step in halting deforestation, unfettered resource extraction, and poaching of endangered wildlife across Africa, but as Dr. Sène eloquently describes in her work, this plan is but a continuation of the colonialist dynamics that have existed between the Global North and the Global South for centuries. These conservation efforts, aptly termed "fortress conservationism,” is in reality part of a “colossal land grab," displacing indigenous communities from their lands and depriving them of traditional sources of sustenance and place-based cultural practices. There are many threads to follow in examining what is actually taking place here, but to provide some more context, Dr. Sène writes in 'Land grabs and conservation propaganda': Dr. Aby Sène-Harper is an assistant professor in parks and conservation area management at Clemson University. She is a trained interdisciplinary environmental social researcher whose work advances socially and ecologically just approaches to managing public lands, natural and cultural resources in the US and in Africa. Her research lies at the intersections of parks and protected area governance, livelihoods, nature-based tourism, and Race and nature. In the US her work interrogates how history and culture mediate African American relationships with nature, and cultural landscapes. In Africa, her work centers on the colonial structures of power in conservation, and integrative conservation approaches such as livelihood-centered projects, ecotourism and community-based conservation. Episode Notes: - Read 'Western Nonprofits Are Trampling Over Africans' Rights and Land' (Foreign Policy), and 'Land grabs and conservation propaganda' (Africa is a Country): https://bit.ly/3Bq3eEE / https://bit.ly/3Ui5XbN - Follow Dr. Sène on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AbySene9 - Other resources mentioned in this interview: The Red Deal (https://bit.ly/3xvre8k), Survival International (https://bit.ly/3Dt9lL1), 'The Big Conservation Lie' by John Mbaria and Mordecai Ogada (https://bit.ly/3Uf0ouN), 'The Violence of Conservation in Africa' (https://bit.ly/3qMMsuK), and 'Security and Conservation' by Rosaleen Duffy (https://bit.ly/3LkhuDs) - Sounds by Midnight Sounds: https://www.latenightsknowmystory.com - Photo: Elephants in Rain - Serengeti National Park safari - Tanzania, Africa. Credit David Berkowitz via Flickr CC BY 2.0. WEBSITE: https://www.lastborninthewilderness.com PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/lastborninthewilderness DONATE: https://www.paypal.me/lastbornpodcast / https://venmo.com/LastBornPodcast BOOK LIST: https://bookshop.org/shop/lastbornpodcast EPISODE 300: https://lastborninthewilderness.bandcamp.com BOOK: http://bit.ly/ORBITgr ATTACK & DETHRONE: https://anchor.fm/adgodcast DROP ME A LINE: Call (208) 918-2837 or http://bit.ly/LBWfiledrop EVERYTHING ELSE: https://msha.ke/lastbornpodcast

Last week global headlines told of the "World's Loneliest Man" sadly being found dead in the Amazon rainforest after living in solitude, as the last of his tribe, for 35 years.  We reached out to Jonathan Mazower from Survival International, who have upheld the rights of indigenous peoples since 1988, to find out more about this fascinating facet of human existence.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nature and wildlife tourism has surged in recent years. Millions of us seem to want to want to follow in the footsteps of David Attenborough; meeting mountain gorillas, ticking off Africa's big five mammals or hitting the waves to meet whales and dolphins. But is wildlife tourism good or bad for the world's most sensitive environments? The Covid-19 outbreak gave us a sudden, unexpected opportunity to answer that question. Some of the most magnetic natural places on the planet lost their international tourists for two years. Naturalist and broadcaster, Mike Dilger has been to the cloud forests of Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands to gauge the impact. Both of these extraordinary environments depend on tourism to pay for their protection, but should they continue to rely on travellers emitting vast quantities of carbon dioxide to get their fix of hummingbirds and marine iguanas? Mike is joined in the studio by Fiore Longo of Survival International, travel writer Antonia Bolingbroke-Kent and Vicky Smith from the eco-travel website, Earthchangers. Producer: Alasdair Cross

El influyente clérigo iraquí Moqtada Al Sadr ha pedido a sus seguidores que abandonen las protestas en el centro de Bagdad en las que una veintena de personas han fallecido en las últimas horas. Situación en Pakistán, donde las inundaciones están causando daños por miles de millones de euros. Entrevista con Survival International en torno al " Indio do buraco" y la situación crítica de los grupos indígenas no contactados en Brasil. También hablamos de Ucrania, de Polonia o de Estados Unidos y su división política. Escuchar audio

Hablamos con Fiona Watson, de Survival International, sobre la muerte del " Indio do Buraco", con la que ilustramos la situación tan crítica que sufren las comunidades de indígenas no contactados en el Amazonas brasileño. Escuchar audio

"Dans la faillite généralisée de sens où notre monde se coupe de ses racines vivantes, épuisant les ressources premières, en proie à l'avidité de l'egologie au détriment de l'écologie, pillant la Maison Terre, il est urgent de donner la parole à celles et ceux qui (r)éveillent d'autres voies, des voix qui portent les lueurs d'un chemin où l'humanité se reconnecte à la source de sa nature profonde : terre-ê(s)tre."Dans cet épisode de So Sweet Planet, nous parlons d'une nouvelle collection de livres, "Voix de la Terre", dirigée par la journaliste et écrivaine Sabah Rahmani, diplômée en anthropologie. Sabah Rahmani travaille sur les peuples racines depuis plus de vingt ans et elle a effectué de nombreux reportages auprès de communautés autochtones. Sabah Rahmani est aussi auteure du livre "Paroles des peuples racines" paru chez Actes Sud en 2019.La collection "Voix de la terre" propose un voyage "dans les profondeurs d'une humanité aux mille et un visages, une humanité en relation avec tous les vivants, dans la multitude des mondes, visibles et invisibles, ici au plus près ou là-bas, à l'autre bout du globe. Une Terre où des femmes et des hommes vivent en lien profond avec l'eau, la terre, l'air, le feu, le minéral, le végétal, l'animal, le céleste, les esprits, les ancêtres, en dialogues fertiles avec l'ensemble des vivants, quelle que soit leur essence." Éditions Actes SudAcheter Kogis, le chemin des pierres qui parlent dans une librairie indépendante sur Place des LibrairesAcheter Yanomami, l'esprit de la forêt dans une librairie indépendante sur Place des LibrairesLe site de Survival International (France)Le podcast de So Sweet Planet consacré à Survival InternationalLa revue NativesSoutenir So Sweet Planet - podcast et site indépendants ! - sur Patreon :https://www.patreon.com/sosweetplanet Notre politique de confidentialité GDPR a été mise à jour le 8 août 2022. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

Description: Henry Fox from Irish Tech News speaks with Survival International's Sarah Shenker, a human rights campaigner and organiser about the work she does, what inspired her to join Survival International, and the progress still to be made in protecting indigenous lands. Bios: Sarah Shenker is a British campaigner for Uncontacted Tribes with Survival International. Her work has spanned the world, from the Amazon to South East Asia. She has a passion for human rights and protecting indigenous lands. Henry Fox is a freelance journalist and student at Coventry University in the UK, currently interning at Irish Tech News. Originally hailing from Limerick, Henry has a passion for all things nerdy, from emerging computer technology to cult movies.

This week on the Project Censored radio show, we sit down with Fiore Longo of Survival International to discuss the colonialist and racist realities of so-called conservation, not least of all in the case of our own country's beloved national parks. Highlighting the current forced eviction of the Maasai from their ancestral lands, Fiore speaks to the need of shifting our paradigms on both eco-tourism and conservation, pointing out that removing tribal and indigenous peoples from an ecosystem not only harms the biodiversity of that place but perpetuates violence against these people. The so-called Global North's perspective of tribal and indigenous peoples must change, not only for the sake of human rights but in a very real sense for the sake of biodiversity and climate justice. There's no such thing as cuddly colonialism, there's no such thing as green capitalism. Later in the show we're joined by Jimmy Dunson, co-founder of Mutual Aid Disaster Relief to discuss the importance of community preparedness for extreme weather driven by climate chaos, as well as relational infrastructure. We also discuss his upcoming book Building Power while the lights are out - about mutual aid, disasters and dual power published by Rebel Hearts Publishing. Image by Pete Linforth from Pixabay

On This Podcast, Diana Paiva is joined by communications and research officer at Survival International, Priscilla Schwarzenholtz. Priscilla talks about the 30th anniversary of the demarcation of the indigenous territory, Yanomami. She talks about the Yanomami people, and she raised the issue of the vast number of illegal gold miners operating in Yanomami. She also explained other problems in the community and how survival international is supporting indigenous communities. Priscilla Schwarzenholz is an anthropologist with a master degree in Latin American studies. She is currently working as a researcher and activist at Survival International, the global movement for indigenous peoples. About Diana Paiva Diana is currently interning with Irish Tech News. She graduated from Birkbeck University, with a degree in modern languages and she is currently doing a master's in Journalism at the University of Roehampton. She has an interest in technology, fashion, and the environment. Starting her master's in journalism made her realise that she has a passion to report and write people's stories. After graduation, her main priority is to find a job in communications or public relations. Diana Paiva is active on social media platforms, including Twitter, and LinkedIn.

Survival International travaille depuis 50 ans de l'Amazonie au Kalahari, des jungles de l'Inde à la forêt tropicale du Congo, en partenariat avec les peuples autochtones pour protéger leur vie et leurs territoires. "Ils sont victimes de racisme, du vol de leurs terres et de violence génocidaire – simplement parce qu'ils vivent différemment. Il faut y mettre fin."Les équipes de Survival International amplifient les voix autochtones et s'assurent qu'elles soient entendues. "Nous n'abandonnerons pas avant que les peuples autochtones soient respectés en tant que sociétés contemporaines, ayant le contrôle de leur vie et de leurs terres, libres de déterminer leur propre avenir."Survival International a reçu le prix Nobel alternatif (Right Livelihood Award) en 1989.Je reçois Marie Ndenga Hagbe de Survival International France. Nous parlons ici des difficultés rencontrées par les peuples autochtones, des victoires emblématiques de Survival International depuis cinquante ans, des pressions sur les gouvernements pour qu'ils reconnaissent les droits territoriaux autochtones, du travail pour documenter et mettre en lumière les atrocités commises contre les autochtones – et agir pour y mettre un terme, de l'aide apportée aux Yanomami pour créer la plus grande zone de forêt tropicale au monde sous contrôle autochtone, de colonialisme vert, de diversité, des controverses autour de la conservation de la nature et du mythe de la wilderness (nature vierge et sauvage), de droits humains, de racisme, du projet de transformer 30% de la planète en Aires protégées d'ici 2030 et Marie nous explique pourquoi Survival International y est opposé.Survival International FranceSurvival International France sur Twitter, Facebook, InstagramLes éléments cités :L'étude sur l'efficacité des Aires protégéesUne étude démontrant que les humains façonnent et gèrent leur environnement depuis au 12 000 ans.Informations et liens de Survival International contre le plan 30X30 (30% d'aires protégées d'ici 2030)Podcast québécois "Laissez-nous raconter : L'histoire crochie", par Marie-Andrée Gill, femme autochtoneLa Chute Du Ciel - Paroles d'un Chaman Yanomami, Davi Kopenawa, Bruce Albert, PocketYanomami, L'Esprit De La Forêt, Bruce Albert, Davi Kopenawa, Actes SudL'invention du colonialisme vert. Pour en finir avec le mythe de l'Éden africain, Guillaume Blanc, Flammarion Voir Acast.com/privacy pour les informations sur la vie privée et l'opt-out.

On this episode of "Death in The Garden," we share our interview with former CEO of Survival International, Stephen Corry. We have been interested in Survival International for a while, as many of you know, but we became particularly interested in speaking with Stephen when he started posting on Twitter about how problematic so much of the vegan agenda was, particularly conflating all livestock husbandry with factory farming. When he wrote this fantastic article, we were so excited to see that someone else was seeing the through-lines between the vegan narrative, conservation, and also the green energy climate change narratives. We discuss at length the manufacturing of these narratives, how they service elites, and how people everywhere will suffer if we continue to let the conversation about climate change be co-opted and controlled by the most powerful people in the world. We discuss Greta Thunberg, the common rhetoric around hopelessness, the racist and genocidal application of conservation, how colonialism never ended, and the problem of believing there is one right way to live.  Please subscribe to our Substack to get writing accompaniments to this podcast and more, as well as a deep dive into our thoughts at the moment delivered right to your email. Check out our Patreon and become a patron for as little as $1 per month.  Editing: Jake Marquez Music: "Buildings & Mountains" by The Republic Tigers

Cette semaine, Jeane reçoit Marie Ndenga Hagbe, chargée de la communication presse et médias chez Survival International. Dans l'épisode du jour, Marie nous explique le travail de fond mené par cette ONG et leurs quatre pilliers d'action : l'alliance avec les peuples autochtones, l'indépendance, la recherche et le plaidoyer. Elle nous invite à déconstruire certaines idées reçues et à repenser notre rapport à la nature. Les liens utiles pour suivre l'épisode : Survival International : découvrir L'invention du colonialisme vert. Pour en finir avec le mythe de l'Éden africain, Guillaume Blanc : acheter l'ouvrage Documentaire BBC - How far should we go to stop poaching? : visionner Documentaire Channel 4 - Congo: The tribe under threat : visionner Soutenir Basilic : instagram.com/basilicpodcast/ basilicpodcast.com Production : Jeane Clesse Musique : @Klein Graphisme : Mahaut Clément & Coralie Chauvin Mix : Jeane Clesse Si cet épisode vous a plu, n'hésitez pas à laisser plein d'étoiles et un commentaire sur la plateforme Apple Podcasts et surtout à vous abonner grâce à votre application de podcasts préférée ! Cela m'aide énormément à faire découvrir Basilic à de nouveaux auditeurs et de nouvelles auditrices.

Ashley starts off our Filipino triptych with an oral epic from the Palawan, an indigenous tribe (living in the province by the same name) that can trace its lineage back some 50,000 years. After setting the tone by exploring some of the rich history of the Philippines and the tribe that created this stunning tale, Ashley dishes the details on Kudaman, a traditional epic that takes 7 nights to perform. Don't worry; our version is significantly abridged for the sake of Ashley's vocal cords. If you like feasts, magic, psychedelic experiences, and gorgeous purple herons, this is the audible treat for you! Please consider doing what you can to help ensure the survival of the Palawan and put a  stop to mining on their lands. Visit survivalinternational.org/tribes/palawan for more  information, to see how you can help, or to donate.  Find Beyond the Rainbow on your favorite social media or streaming platform at https://beyondtherainbowpodcast.com/ To stay on top of all the latest from Pineapple Pizza Podcast, be sure to check out our website at http://www.pineapplepizzapodcast.com (www.pineapplepizzapodcast.com) where you will find links to merch, Patreon, and a variety of ways to support the show, as well as detailed episode descriptions and regional specials.  Help our show grow by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts at  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pineapple-pizza-podcast/id1543640038 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pineapple-pizza-podcast/id1543640038) Or on Podchaser at https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/pineapple-pizza-podcast-1568165 (https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/pineapple-pizza-podcast-1568165) You can also send mail to:  Pineapple Pizza Podcast PO Box 341 Wyoming, MN 55092 Remember, no matter how you slice it, you're awesome and we love you. Ingredients for this dish were sourced from: - Nicole Revel. “Kudaman: An Oral Epic in the Palawan Highlands.” Oral Tradition. 11.1:  108-132. 1996.  - “National Heritage Month 2020 - Kudaman Epic of the Pala'wan.” Philippine Consulate  General in Frankfurt. https://frankfurtpcg.de/national-heritage-month-2020-kudaman-epic of-the-palawan  - “Kudaman Epic.” Archived from the original and accessed via the Wayback machine. https:// web.archive.org/web/20190422173047/https://www.ichcap.org/eng/ek/sub3/pdf_file/ domain1/012_Kudaman_Epic.pdf  - “Philippine Mythology.” Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_mythology  - “The Philippines.” Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines - “Palawan.” Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palawan  - “Palawan's Indigenous Groups.” Travel Palawan. https://www.travel-palawan.com/cultural heritage/indigenous-peoples/  - “The Palawan.” Survival International. https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/palawan 

“The earth's biodiversity depends [very directly] on its human diversity.” - Stephen CorryIn this episode I chat with Stephen Corry, the former director of Survival International, a global organization that supports indigenous peoples in their struggles against colonialism. We talk about why the organization is important, and how it relates directly to rewilding. Stephen discusses the central myths of civilization and the prejudices that it generates in order to justify its destruction of tribal people. In the end our conversation lands on the problematic aspects of conservation, and the challenges that members of Survival International have faced in this work. Please support the podcast by donating to my patreon. Make sure to subscribe to the podcast and leave a review on apple podcasts and other podcast directories. Thanks for listening. Links:Survival Internationalhttps://www.survivalinternational.org/Stephen's Book:Tribal Peoples for Tomorrow's WorldStephen's Twitter:@StephenCorrySvl• New report details indigenous struggle for land rights• Savaging Primitives: Why Jared Diamond's “The World Until Yesterday” is Completely Wrong• Why Steven Pinker, Like Jared Diamond, Is Wrong• The Fierce Anthropologist• Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States by James C. Scott• Who was Ötzi?• Sahlins resigns from NAS as Chagnon enters• The Great Dance; a Hunter's Story• The Big Conservation Lie• WWF Funds Guards Who Have Tortured And Killed People• United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples• Ishmael by Daniel Quinn• Willamette; The Valley of an 8,000 Year Old CulturePhoto Credit: Gleilson Miranda / Governo do AcreSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/petermichaelbauer)