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Until a couple of years ago, most people knew next to nothing about carnivorous plants. If you had asked an expert, though, they would have excitedly submerged you in a sea of information. Meat-eating plants used to munch on tiny creatures - mostly insects, frogs, more rarely a mouse or rat. That is, until recently. Back when days were good, there were just about 700 kinds of carnivorous plants on the planet. They grew all over the world, except Antarctica. Good old plants got most of their food by basking in the sun. But it wasn't enough - they also needed nutrients, which they slurped up with their roots. But carnivorous plants lived in areas with nutrient-poor soil. That's why they started to catch prey. Such a high-protein diet helped them survive and grow faster. Little did we know at that time that soon, life would change beyond recognition. Because when a scientific experiment went way out of control, all plants on Earth became carnivorous! The event even got the name of the Great Carnivorous Disaster... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elliot Yeo talked about returning to AFL and having his teeth knocked out. Ben O'Shea reviewed ‘Cruella' and Perth Wildcat, Bryce Cotton gave us an update on his surgery recovery.

1: Hyndman with a great extended tackle in the 18th. Tremendous half volley strike in the 32nd. Tremendous defensive work. Tremendous offensive work. Hyndman was everyone tonight and was surprisingly our most threatening player on the ball. He was tremendous.    2: Damm was not having success with the dribble. I'd rather see him play the ball out in front and sprint after it to the end line and then either cross it in or cut in for the dribble towards goal as opposed to trying to penetrate the box towards center.    3: This was the most dominant 1st half we have seen so far. Philly created nothing. Surprisingly possession was only 65%. I mean that's good but it really felt like more. We absolutely controlled the game and dominated the ball. Any possession #nosteppy had was mostly in their own end. It was really only gifts from us that lead anything threatening from the union and those gifts were few and far between. They did not look at all ready to play a team that wanted the ball. If not for Andre Blake standing on his head, we're up 2. Unfortunately Philly was able to absorb and survive and capitalized on their few chances.    4: I did like the Cubo sub after going down. I liked Heinze going for it. It's risky trying to push for that goal because a 2nd or 3rd away goal changes everything. But I think Heinze said in a previous presser that we don't play to draw. Unfortunately tonight we were undone but I still agree with the decision and style of play even tho it did not go our way tonight.    5: Momma said there'd be games like this. Of course I'm disappointed with the result. Of course it's worse because it's champions league and from within our own leaguein our own house. This was the first time we lost at the benz by 3. But I thought our response after each goal was good. We just couldn't finish. It does happen. We found the spaces. We created the spaces. Sometimes it just doesn't come off. I just don't know what else we could have done to bag a goal. 

Making my Podcast return to talk Twitter hiatus, podcasting, TV shows, Capitol Insurrection, a good ole fashioned crowd control story from Iraq 2003 and more!

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It’s been a very quiet week for Doctor Who news, but that won’t stop us from waffling on about KSPS Doctor Who broadcast schedules of yesteryear, Babylon 5 upgrades and other such ephemera! Mere distraction though for part three of our Rachel Talalay Miniscope, where we look at World Enough and Time, the Doctor Falls and Twice Upon a Time! Links: Support Radio Free Skaro on Patreon! Season 24 Blu-Ray available for preorder in Canada Big Finish Dalek Universe 1 due April 2021 Big Finish Dalek Universe 2 due July 2021 Big Finish Dalek Universe 3 due October 2021 Toby Hadoke’s obituary of Philip Martin in The Guardian Miniscope: Rachel Talalay World Enough and Time The Doctor Falls Twice Upon a Time

The beginning of Hurts and the end of Patriots playoff hopes? Big Truss in a classic. Why can't the Cowboys just lose when you want them to?

Did anyone catch the Tyson vs. Jones Jr. fight card? Badou almost knocked his opponent into the next lifetime; Nate tried to see if all offense-no defense would translate from the hardwood to the squared circle; Jones let the world know he wears drawers but doesn't like draws; and Iron Mike wants to keep punching people out. DeWayne (DP) - Kevin (KP) - Ubong (Bong) 2WO PEEZ AND A BONG

A lot of new music this week. Some interesting new stuff from Madagascar, especially. A lot of wonderful voices - mostly women. Fabulous new arrangements of traditional song, and some scintillating musicianship towards the end with that Celtic Colours flourish.

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Welcome to the Mini-Break powered by Midwest Sports, your daily podcast for the biggest storylines, results, and controversies from the tennis world. Hosts Alex Gruskin and Jamie McDonald recap Day 5 of the 2020 French Open. They talk about the unprecedented number of upsets that have occurred in the Women’s Singles Draw, express their disappointment in Denis Shapovalov’s loss to RCB, preview Day 6’s matches, and so much more!! Don’t forget to give a 5 star review with your twitter/instagram handle for a chance to win some FREE CR gear!! This episode brought to you by: Midwest Sports Discounted Tennis Apparel, Tennis Racquets, Tennis Shoes & Equipment from Nike, adidas, Babolat, Wilson & More! Visit their store today and use the code "CR15" at checkout to save 15% off Sale items. Some Exclusions (MAP Exceptions) apply and code will not work on those items. This code will add 1 FREE CAN of WILSON Balls to the cart at checkout.  DraftKings

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Cali is a NJ based artist. She's an illustrator who designs and produces badass art on stickers, pins, patches, prints, fabrics, you name it and she'll slap some badassery on it! And on the show we march through topics like; networking/connecting with artists, designing stickers, her political stance on social justice, anime, voice actors, screen printing vs block printing, our insecurities as artists. Needless to say, we had a lot to talk about and had a great time doing so! Lol — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — You can follow Cali and stay in the loop in all her whereabouts for events on Instagram and Facebook --> @riotgrrrlnj and be sure to visit her online store --> https://www.etsy.com/shop/riotgrrrlnj! — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — To keep up with me, follow --> @artofgterado on Instagram and Facebook! Trenton Punk Rock Flea Market Spring Fling is still happening on May 30th - 31st, and I will be there on the 30th (Sat). For more info, you may visit --> http://www.trentonprfm.com and you can follow them on Instagram --> @trentonprfm and Facebook --> @TrentonPunkRockFleaMarket! — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — Thanks for tuning in, stay safe, stay healthy, stay active, stay informed, and stay AWAY ya filthy animals! ;)

This week sees two of us with a cold, one of us falling asleep mid-podcast, and the troubles of broken curtains and student attendance... Yet somehow universal compassion saves the day.... Kind of.....

It's not the Super Bowl Special you asked for…or needed for that matter, but it's here; Lester and Stoff join Jimmy poolside in Miami while Puffy is relegated to South America.  Duthie contemplates fixing his vision, educates the gang on locusts, and the Doomsday Clock is ticking!   If that wasn't enough, the exclusives roll on as James sits down with; Seattle Seahawks Tight End Luke Willson, San Francisco 49ers Wide Receiver Deebo Samuel and Offensive Lineman Joe Staley. PLUS; Week That Was, Things I Saw On Twitter and...two, yes, TWO What You Watchin' Segments!!! Over the 60 minutes of promised content! It's Super Bowl Madness!

In 1990, the Italian government enlisted top engineers to stabilize Pisa's famous Leaning Tower. There'd been many attempts during its 800 year history, but computer models revealed the urgency of their situation. The tower would topple if it reached an angle of 5.44 degrees— and it was currently leaning at 5.5. What gives the tower its infamous tilt? Alex Gendler explores the monument's history. [Directed by Aim Creative Studios, narrated by Addison Anderson, music by André Aires].

My Momma Said --- Donnie, Boy, --- You Won't Always Be A Giant Slayer Or Cold Cock Killer! You Will Have Days When They're ALL Out To Get You. That's When U Just Remember What Your Old Momma Says --- Son, You Got To Cold-Cock'Em All --- With Everything You Got ---  Rain Down A Ring Of Fire On Your Enemies --- Flex Your Muscles --- Roar Like A Mighty Lion In The Jungle ---  But, Mainly, Just Keep Changin' The Subject --- Or --- Keep Making Up Even More Shit --- So Much Shit That It Will Drown Out All Of The Original Shit That Got You Into Trouble In The 1st Place --- Then, Just Keep Addin' On To It --- Make A Mount Everest Of Shit ---  You'll Beat'em @ Their Own Game Little Donnie Boy!  --- Momma Knows Best --- It Worked For Me & Your Dad!  God Knows It Worked For Your Grandpa, Frederich Cold Cock'em Comin' Out Of The Gate, Donnie, Sweetie!   Better Yet, Get Other People To Do Your Dirty Work --- We'll Give You The Money For That --- Don't Worry --- Your Dad + Mom Are Always There To "Back" You Up, No Matter How Bad You Fuck Things Up! After All Donnie, Life Is Just One Big Shit-Storm --- Just Be The One To Be In Front Of That Storm --- Let Everyone Else Absorb What You Wreak On This World!   We're Proud Of You Son, You've Taken Grifting, Extortion, Duplicity, Stiff-Arming & Just Plain In-Plain-Sight Robbery To All-Time Heights ---> Grandpa Would Be So Fucking Proud! Oh, & One Last Thing, Son, Plead Ignorance, Always Plead Ignorance - You Was The One Who Got Taken To The Cleaners!   Never Let'em Forget That! And Just Keep On Confusing The Issue By Saying --- What About This & What About That --- And What About Whatever --- Always Works Donnie, Son --- Always Works --- Worked For Your Father & Grandpa! So, In Conclusion

Every nonfiction book starts out as a glimmer of an idea. A topic. An area of interest or expertise. But you can’t just pitch a book about beekeeping, kids. You need to know a whole lot more. Is it a beekeeping memoir? A beekeeping how-to? A meditation about the relationship between bees and humanity?In this episode, we dish about how to answer those questions, because—spoiler—that’s exactly how Jess, who just finished the draft of her second nonfiction book, has been spending her time. Well, not thinking about beekeeping, or at least, I don’t think so. She’s pretty cagey about what, exactly, she’s researching—but that’s a good thing, because this episode is about the first steps that lead to an eventual proposal and, ultimately a book, no matter what the topic. Episode links and a transcript follow—but first, a preview of the #WritersTopFive that will be dropping into #AmWriting supporter inboxes on Monday, November 11, 2019: Top 5 Steps to Setting Up Your Author Presence on Amazon (Plus a Couple More for Extra Credit). Not joined that club yet? You’ll want to get on that. Support the podcast you love AND get weekly #WriterTopFives with actionable advice you can use for just $7 a month. As always, this episode (and every episode) will appear for all subscribers in your usual podcast listening places, totally free as the #AmWriting Podcast has always been. This shownotes email is free, too, so please—forward it to a friend, and if you haven’t already, join our email list and be on top of it with the shownotes and a transcript every time there’s a new episode. To support the podcast and help it stay free, subscribe to our weekly #WritersTopFive email.LINKS FROM THE PODCASTThe Art of the Book Proposal: From Focused Idea to Finished Product, Eric MaiselThe Forest for the Trees: An Editor’s Advice to Writers, Betsy LernerModern Love Series on AmazonModern Love Column, New York Times#AmReading (Watching, Listening)Jess: Jess has been all in this week! Katherine Center’s Things You Save in a Fire, How to Walk Away and the bridge story between those two novels, The Girl in the Plane, plus Happiness for Beginners, The Lost Husband, and Get Lucky.Also, Ali Wong’s Dear Girls, Ronan Farrow’s Catch and Kill, and Sarina Bowen’s Moonlighter!Sarina: The Virgin Gift, Lauren Blakely#FaveIndieBookstoreOctavia Books, New Orleans.This episode was sponsored by Author Accelerator, the book coaching program that helps you get your work DONE. AND—they’ve got a new program for new nonfiction projects! Visit https://www.authoraccelerator.com/amwritingfor details, special offers and Jennie Nash’s Inside-Outline template.Find more about Jess here, Sarina here and about KJ here.If you enjoyed this episode, we suggest you check out Marginally, a podcast about writing, work and friendship.The image in our podcast illustration is by William Iven on Unsplash.Transcript (We use an AI service for transcription, and while we do clean it up a bit, some errors are the price of admission here. We hope it’s still helpful.)Hello listeners! If you’re in with us every week, you’re what I like to call “people of the book.’ And some of us book people discover somewhere along the way that not only we writers, we’re people with a gift for encouraging other writers. For some of us, that comes out in small ways, but for others it’s a calling and an opportunity to build a career doing work you love. Our sponsor, Author Accelerator, provides book coaching to authors (like me) but also needs and trains book coaches. If that’s got your ears perked up, head to https://www.authoraccelerator.com and click on “become a book coach.” Is it recording?Jess00:01Now it's recording. Go ahead. KJ00:45This is the part where I stare blankly at the microphone like I don't remember what I was supposed to be doing. Jess00:49All right, let's start over. KJ00:51Awkward pause. I'm going to rustle some papers. Jess00:54Okay.KJ00:54Now one, two, three. Hey, I'm KJ Dell'Antonia and this is #AmWriting the podcast about all things writing - nonfiction, fiction, proposals, essays, pitches, and as we say each and every week. This is the podcast about sitting down and getting your work done. Jess01:22I'm Jess Lahey. I'm the author of the Gift of Failure and a completed manuscript for book two, The Addiction Innoculation. And you can find my stuff in the New York Times and the Atlantic and various other places. KJ01:35Carry on, Sarina.Sarina01:40Hi, I'm Sarina Bowen. I'm the author of 30 plus romance novels and my last one was called Moonlighter and it just hit the USA Today.Best Sellers List. KJ01:51 I am KJ Dell'Antonia, the author of How To Be a Happier Parent, the former editor of the Motherlode blog at the New York Times and the author of a forthcoming novel that you'll hear all about as it comes out next summer. And yeah, wows all around. It's been it's been a good week. I think things are going pretty well for all of us. Jess02:18All of us. I think so, too. I'm finally recovered from getting the last book done and it's amazing how much stuff a person can push off until after. And like after meant after November 1st and so now my inbox is full of things with like all different color flags stuck in it, like deal with this after November 1st, deal with this after November 1st. And it's amazing how much stuff I actually piled on to deal with after November 1st and it's November 1st and I'm dealing with it. Welcome to after, I'm in the after mode now. And it's crazy. It's really good though. It was really freeing to be able to say, 'Just later', but later is now here. So anyway, but Sarina the thing that I wanted to mention is a huge congratulations because this is a new book in a new series for you, right?Sarina03:13Yeah. It's a spinoff because that's how I like to start series by spinning them off from existing characters. But it's definitely something new. I hadn't written a suspense plot really before. And yeah, it was hard and I really enjoyed it and I thought readers would follow me there, but of course I really wasn't sure.KJ03:35And they did.Jess03:35You can never be sure, but readers are fickles and they did. And it's really, really good. I was actually on my list of books I read, even though KJ pointed out that no one's going to trust me when I say anything about either The Chicken Sisters or any of your books. But I did love it and I love the fact that you're willing to push yourself to try lots of different things. And I think I even texted you earlier about a couple of the things that you've done that have made you nervous. When you first think, 'Should I write this?' And then you write it. And I'm always amazed how a) brave you are to write about stuff like a pregnant protagonist, which sounds crazy in romance. I mean, you would think that would never work, and it does, and it's fantastic. And I just, I love the fact that you're willing to push yourself because it would be so easy to say, 'I'm just going to write about single, heterosexual, white people because that's sort of the comfort zone. And yet you don't, you write about all kinds of things and I think that's really cool. Sarina04:36Well, thank you. The truth is though if I only wrote about people like me, we'd have a lot of books about people who don't leave home very much. Jess05:03My suspense for today is if the leftover Halloween candy is still gonna be here when everybody gets home later on today. Yeah. Can we point out today is (the day we're recording) November 1st since I already blew it and mentioned that. So that means it's the first day of NaNoWriMo. Are we gonna talk at all about that reality?KJ05:32Sure, I will. But before we do, we do have a topic for today. We have a plan - today we're going to be talking - Jess, name it.Jess05:43We are going to be talking about new projects. Because during my recovery from finishing the last book, I had no intention to have a new idea, but I did. So we'll talk about that in just a minute.KJ05:58This is going to be like the how to start, what to do before you start, that kind of thing. But meanwhile, since some of us are starting... Jess06:04Specifically non nonfiction. So my thing today is going to be about what you do when suddenly you have an idea for a new nonfiction, which requires a lot of organization from day one, so that you don't get yourself in the weeds and off on the wrong foot. But let's talk about November 1st - NaNo. What's happening people?KJ06:25The timing actually turned out to be really good for me. So everybody knows I've been working on what we'll just call novel two for the sake of ignoring the one in the drawer. Oh my gosh, my mother. Apparently I gave her my first novel, which I wrote 15 years ago and I got a text from her recently, 'Do you remember Mud Season? I was just reading.' I was like, 'No, don't read that.' I was listening to a podcast with Grant Faulkner, who is the person who heads up NaNoWriMo right now, although he is not the founder. And he specifically and sort of narrowly described the goal, which I had forgotten, which is to write 50,000 words of a novel. And I thought, 'Oh, well, okay.' So I pulled out the words that I have already written of what we're calling book two. I tossed aside all the words that I wrote around various other outlines and concepts that sort of need massive reworking. This is just the chunk that I really have and it's 30,000 words. So you know what I need to have a book? 50,000 words. So, I started today, I'm shooting to write 50,000 words of my novel in November. It is not a cold draft, but I think we all make our own NaNo rules, but I'm sort of enjoying the fact that I'm really kind of hewing a little more closely to the NaNoWriMo rhythm than I thought I was going to be.Jess08:06I'm sure there are NaNo purists who are saying, 'Oh no, you must start something new on day one.' But we don't roll that way.Sarina08:14That was never the rules, sorry.Jess08:22I think NaNo is a great time to (as we said last time around) just to take a hold of the productivity that's in the air, the sort of writing Juju that's floating around in November and do with it what you will.KJ08:34So I already nailed my 1600, I believe I wrote 1618 today. I'm feeling good. Jess08:55So in November are your stickers the value for the words that you like? How are you stickering? For those of you who are new to the podcast, we have this thing we do call stickering. Sarina and KJ and I text each other the word sticker when we get our sticker for the day. And it is literally a sticker that goes into our calendar. In fact, Sarina gave me some llamas for this month, which was great timing because I didn't have any stickers for this month. And it is literally a sticker that is of your own definition. Right now (as we're gonna get into in a minute) mine are research stickers this month. But it can be anything you want. And it means, 'Yay me. I did it.'KJ09:36Yes, my stickers this month (which are coffee pot or coffee cups. Super cute little pile of stickers.) will be for 1612 words. Or, like if I decide, I may end up having to decide not to write on Thanksgiving cause we're having a family dinner somewhere that involves traveling. So I may up some word counts in order to allow for some days off. I think the thing that's going to be different for me - sometimes I just want to just want to get to my words. And so when I write things that I delete sometimes I just leave the words in the word count until I'm done writing. Not this time, because the goal is to actually finish this draft. The words have to be words. That kind of varies. Sometimes they can be outlining words or they can be pre-writing words or they can be other kinds of words. But this month, hear me now, they have to be actual wordsJess10:44And Sarina, what's happening with you?Sarina10:46Well, I have a book that needs 25,000 words, but they have to be perfect by the end of the month so I can't do NaNo. I have to finish this project, and then make it beautiful, and that's just how it is.KJ11:01Well, I'll be representing you.Jess11:04You still use stickers during that process though, right? Sarina11:07Yup, absolutely.Jess11:09And during that process, are your stickers for editing, for writing, do you change it up day to day, whatever your goals are?Sarina11:16Well, they'll be writing for 1200 words. And then if I run out of book, then I'll revisit.Jess11:24Okay, sounds good. So I guess this leads us into the announcement that I have to make, which is, I already said on the podcast that I was going to be working on that novel, which sounded great when we were talking about it. It really, really did. And then I spent a lot of time rereading what I had. And thinking about what I really wanted to do and thinking about what KJ had said about what do you write in your head? And I just don't love writing fiction. I just don't, it's not what gets me excited to sit down. And you know, when in On Writing, when Stephen King talks about the fact that he threw away the opening chapters of Carrie because it was really hard, that's not what this is. I really don't think I'm just saying I don't want to do it cause it's hard. It just doesn't feed me. It just doesn't get me excited and make me want to go to work every day. And frankly, what happened was, and I have to be super, super cagey about this because I haven't even talked with my agent about it, but I had an idea for the next book after the addiction book. And I am so excited, at least right now for this crazy, in-depth research phase. I've said this before, what Mary Roach, author of Guts and a bunch of other cool books, calls her three month research flail. Where she jumps into the research and figures out what her book is. And so that's what I'm doing. I'm starting a new proposal for a new nonfiction book and that's what our topic is going to be about today. So, sorry to pull the rug out from under my NaNo plans, but they changed.KJ13:05I think that's really cool. And I don't know about Sarina, but I personally had no plans to actually require you to write fiction. You're okay. You be you. Jess13:18And that book is just still sitting there. I still have an internal relationship with those characters and I don't know if it'll ever get written. But Jenny Nash, if you're listening, that's not what I'm working on this month. But frankly, whenever I get this excited about something new, I'm all over it. Our official topic for today is what to do when you have an idea for a nonfiction book and you're starting to wrap your brain around a topic and think about a proposal. So, the very first thing I did was I took the book proposal for the addiction book, which is the long form. I think we talked at one point about the fact that if you are going to go back to your same editor that you've had at a publisher with a new book idea, you may not necessarily have to write the mammoth (in my case, I think it was 70 or 80 page book proposal that includes everything from the marketing stuff, and comparable titles that are out there, and who you are) that's for a publisher that doesn't know anything about you necessarily. But with the addiction book (simply because it's a difficult topic and we weren't 100% sure that my editor was going to be fully on board) my agent and I went out with a full, finished book proposal to my editor so that if she didn't want it, we could go out to everybody, right away. It would be done, locked down, in perfect shape. We didn't have to do that, my editor wanted it. But I also found that while it's a ton of work, it is such a great process to have to go through with a book. And, KJ, as you know from working on the stuff with Jenny for The Chicken Sisters, you have to be able to tell people really quickly what your book is about. You have to hone your ideas about what the chapters are going to be about. And that whole process for me is really, really helpful. So, while it's maybe, possibly more than I need to do right now, it's really good for my thinking. I don't know how you feel about that in terms of when you do nonfiction book proposals or your outlines, I guess.Sarina15:35Yeah. Well, the thing is, if I were proposing even like a series of novels to an editor that I already knew, I don't think I'd even want to start the project if I hadn't done that. Like I can't imagine committing to something without that level of ... cause it's just so much work, it's like more than a year of your life. And I think I would want to do all of that. And in the end it would not be wasted.KJ16:04Well, we've talked about the risks of promising to write a book that isn't what you want to write. This prevents that. Jess16:12It also helps me gauge the competition on the market. You know, I have to go out there. I've already started buying books and trips to bookstores. In fact, I was just in Sacramento and I came across a bookstore there called Beers Books. And it is a combination new and used bookstore. And I went bonkers. My suitcase was full of books coming back from Sacramento. It was great. And so buying books is sort of the first part of that process for me, figuring out what's out there in the market. And so I might as well gather that information since that's a piece of the book proposal I'm going to have to put together anyway and realizing what's already out there. Am I competing with something else that's better? Or am I the best person? Why am I the right person to work on this thing? And the answer may come back that I'm not. And that's all valuable information. So yeah, I don't have any problem working on the book proposal in-depth before anyone sees it. KJ17:15So, step one...Jess17:16Step one for me. So I went back to that old book proposal that's in good shape and essentially renamed it, did a save as, went through, left the headers in, took out the text for the old book. And I don't even know what the title for this new book is, but I have a placeholder and now I've sort of focused my thinking by looking at the book proposal to know what do I need to think about? Okay, well I'm going to have to think about what the chapters might be. I'm going to have to think about the competing title stuff. So the book proposal itself gives me a really good way to do that. If you don't already have a book proposal for a previous book we have some suggestions that we'll put in the show notes and I can't come up with them right off the top of my head. But KJ, I know you have one of the books that we happen to love for nonfiction book proposals.KJ18:07I believe it's the Art of the Book Proposal. Yes, that'll be in the show notes. Incidentally, just to toss it out there, head over to amwritingpodcast.com and sign up and you'll get the show notes in your inbox every time. So anytime we say this you can just be like, 'Oh sure, those are in my inbox.' And you can pop in there and look and that would be very handy.Jess18:33That book is really helpful, too. As is Betsy Lerner's book, The Forest for the Trees, gives you sort of good ways to think about the hard questions. Am I the right person to write this? Is this something I want to spend the next couple of years of my life on? You know, that kind of stuff. So number one, start thinking in terms of an outline for the skeleton of the book proposal.KJ18:57Wait, just to go back, one of the fun things in The Art of the Book Proposal that I think we almost do without realizing it is sort of thinking about all the different possible approaches to a topic. And I wondered, are you doing that? So you know, there's this sort of, 'I could write a how to about this. I could write a memoir about this. I could write a big picture research book about this.' Is that part of it or was it super clear that if I'm going to tackle this topic it's going to be like this.Jess19:27It has not been super clear for a couple of reasons that I'll talk about later on. But the idea of, is this a Gift of Failure type book? And I also had a really narrow focus at first, but lots of conversations with my husband (who's my best sounding board for this kind of stuff) has broadened the focus a little bit. So trying to get at what this thing is...yeah, that book does a really good job of breaking that down and helping you look at all of the different possibilities that you may not have thought of yet. And the nice thing about also getting your hands on a lot of other books that might be in your comparable title section is that they probably do it lots of different ways, too, and makes you sort of say, 'Oh, look at how that person did it, that's really interesting, maybe I can borrow from that. Or I think I might avoid this way because I don't think it works as well.' So yeah, that's also part of the honing process for me. What is it going to look like? And that's been an ongoing process. So number one, look at the book proposal, come up with your ideas of approach, come up with your ideas of how you're going to have to think about it when you read the research. Number two, get the books that are the research. You know, if you can't afford to buy the books, go to the library. Interlibrary loan can be invaluable if you're near a university. That's been invaluable for me because a bigger library is always better. Simply because there could even be things that are out of print that are really helpful. And in my case there were two books that are out of print that have been really, really helpful in helping me shape my thinking on this. Number three sounds really simple. But for me this is always really, really a big deal. I made a new email folder in at my email app on my computer. (I use the mail app that's on my Apple computer.) And having a folder that has the subject of the book is really great because I bounce a lot of ideas off of my husband. I bounced a couple of ideas off of some people I know in this field. All of those emails go into that email folder so that if I'm ever looking for the emails having to do with this topic, they're all there. And in fact that's what I'm doing right now, with the addiction book, I'm going back through that folder and I am figuring out what I might have forgotten, I might have left out. So once you have your email folder, once you've got all your books, once you're working on the proposal stuff, I also create a new Scrivener doc. A new Scrivener doc for me just gets my brain in the right place, especially since with Scrivener you can create a new folder for each chapter. You can move them around. So Scrivener really helps me shape my thinking, it's been invaluable for me as a tool. And then honestly, I just start trying to think like an emerging expert in the topic. I start following people on Twitter that might be a part of this topic. I start looking for the big people in the field and wondering, 'Are these people who might someday want to blurb this book?' Just little things - we're talking about a book that if it even gets written isn't going to be out there for like three or four years, but you have to start (at least I do) putting myself in the headspace of someone who's trying to become an expert in this topic. And as you well know, Sarina, this means that I am going to over-research everything. I am going to do a deep dive into the history of the topic, but that for me is what gets me out of bed in the morning. And it's what changed my mind about what I'm working on this month. And it's just fun. It's so much fun. I think it's the reason I love journalism so much - is the idea that it's my job to suddenly become an expert in a topic, and then write about it, and translate it for someone who doesn't necessarily want to go and do all the research that I love doing. And that's just really fun for me. Sarina23:37Well, I'm intimidated on your behalf. Jess23:41It's so much fun. We should clarify for the listeners that we are without KJ. She lost power at her house, which is something that we actually battle with. Sarina and KJ both lost power this morning due to a windstorm. I'm still good at the moment, although it's very windy here. It sounds like trucks are roaring by my house, but we're just going to carry on without KJ. I think that's really about it for me. Right now it's all about headspace. It's all about immersing myself in the topic and being excited. And my poor husband is going to be hearing a lot about this topic. And that's fine cause it's actually a topic he's really interested in, too. So for us, that's fun. That's life in the geeky, Lahey household. And actually, believe it or not, my younger son (who is still at home with us) is interested in the topic, too. So it's led to some really interesting conversations and it's also been fun to watch him get excited about a book that he probably will not have any part in. In terms of showing up in the book, because he's definitely in Gift of Failure, and he's definitely in the addiction book. And I think he's just about done being a part of my work. And of course he's been in lots of New York Times articles. There are pictures of him in the New York Times, which he's cool with and he's fine with all that, but I think he's excited that I'm working on something that may not include him as a potential topic. So there we are. One thing that was also really fun and this sounds like a really nothing sort of to-do list task. But I cleaned my office. And for me I used to do that as part of the process, at the end of every single chapter I finished in the addiction book, I would clean up because things would just get disastrous in here. There'd be piles of books and piles of research. And it was a really cleansing experience to put the research away from let's say the chapter on peers and peer influence and move on to the chapter on education on prevention programs in schools. Because I would then put away all those books, put away all those articles, and take out a whole new stack of stuff. And it was sort of a mind cleansing thing. And so the same thing has happened. I still have all my research out for the addiction book because I'm deep into edits now. And actually speaking of which, I'm working on edits right now because I'm going to have a meeting with my editor on the 20th of November, in which I have to have my arms around all the edits. So all those papers and articles and everything are still all around me. It's just that I'm making space for the new books on the new topic. It has its own bookshelf, I have a bookshelf dedicated to this topic. It's still only fills one shelf, but I'm sure that will change with time. But, it's really fun. It's a mental shift and that mental shift is really fun and exciting. And yeah, I'm back to being excited to go to work every morning and having a vacation between the two was really good.Sarina26:49That's terrific. You just reminded me of that internet meme of the guy and the girl walking down the street holding hands and he's looking over his shoulder at the other hot girl. Cause that's how it feels when you have to finish up the last bits of one project, but your head is already looking at another one.Jess27:11This was a first for me, actually. But you do this all the time, where you're writing one book and editing the last. This is new for me, but I hadn't really even thought about that as that's something that you have to do all the time.Sarina27:25Yeah, I do. If you spread it out a little bit, it's actually kind of nice. Because then you can be super picky on one topic and sort of expansive on the other one.Jess27:35Oh, that's a really good way of thinking about it. Speaking of which (that meme about the guy looking back) I watched the new series Modern Love on Amazon. You know, adapted from the Modern Love columns from the New York Times and there is a shot that is a direct call out to that meme in one of the episodes. And by the way, the Modern Love adaptation for Amazon is fantastic, way better than I ever thought it would be. But it was so funny to see the shot and say, 'Wait a second, that's that meme right there. I can see it.'. Sarina28:08So I heard that you had a new bookstore for us. Jess28:13I do. Tt's a bookstore I had visited once in New Orleans and I saw Anya Kamenetz from NPR, the education editor at NPR, she had a book event there for her book that was coming out (this was years ago). And it's Octavia Books in New Orleans and they sold books for my recent event down in New Orleans. But it's a tremendous bookstore. Curation is fantastic, people are so nice. And it's a quaint bookstore in the middle of a lovely little neighborhood in New Orleans. So another one of those bookstores where you walk in and you just sort of feel at home. So can't recommend that one more heartily. But speaking of bookstores, have you been reading anything interesting?Sarina28:58I just read a really sexy novella that my friend Lauren Blakely finished.Jess29:09You don't see a lot of novellas these days.Sarina29:12Oh, because of the holidays?Jess29:14No, these days in general. Novellas are tricky. As you well know, you wrote one.Sarina29:18Yeah, novellas are not my chosen length. But this book, it's going to do amazing. She did an amazing job on it and it's called The Virgin Gift. And it isn't out yet, but this was one fun moment where I helped somebody with something when I wasn't expecting to. Lauren Blakely writes so many wonderful books all the time, without any difficulty. But she happened to ask me a question about plot, just that came up in conversation, and it was one of those moments when solving someone else's problem is just so much easier than solving your own. And I was so happy to come up with this tiny little idea that helped her finish her book because it's so satisfying to solve that kind of problem. And then you know, your own plot problem will just grate on you for days, and days, and days and then once in awhile you can mention it to another person and get the idea you need just just by accident. So that was super fun. And then this week I got to read it and see how it all turned out.Sarina30:31That's really cool. Being a part of someone's book from the beginning is always so exciting. It's like when I get to read your books and I realize, 'Oh wait, I remember hearing about that six months ago.' I love that. Jess30:42I have read so many books, mainly because I was on vacation after having finished my book and I've been flying a lot, which means audio books. So you people had been recommending Katherine Center's books. Specifically Things You Save In a Fire. And so I I downloaded Things You Save In a Fire and loved it. And then I very quickly downloaded How To Walk Away, Happiness for Beginners, and The Lost Husband. And I have gone through all of them and it's always interesting to read an author's work out of order because she's evolved as a writer, as we all do. Her Things You Save In a Fire is her newest, and Lost Husband is years ago, and I'm now listening to a book of hers called Get Lucky. And it's interesting to read her evolution as a writer and she's delightful. She's just delightful. She's good, the humor is fantastic, the romance is fantastic, the suspense is fantastic, the secrets, there's lots of secrets. It's just delightful stuff. Sarina31:56I can't believe that you're two books ahead of me now. I've only read two of those four and I'm going to do a little video about Things You Save In a Fire because I love it so much.Jess32:05Oh, good. So, Get this. I also listened to Ali Wong's book, Dear Girls, which is so raunchy and so funny. It's letters to her daughter about her life. And if you've ever watched Ali Wong's comedy, either Baby Cobra or the other one that I can't remember at the moment. You know, she's raunchy, she's dirty, she's hysterical. And Dear Girls does not disappoint. It's really, really funny. Although, how you write a book to your daughters that they can't possibly listen to until they're in their twenties, I just don't even know. And listening to still more Harlan Coben. But then I also listened to Ronan Farrow's Catch and Kill. Which was fascinating, really fascinating. And it was more than I thought it was going to be in terms of content. So anyway, it's been amazing reading. But thank you so much for the Katherine Center recommendation. Because she's not my normal turf reading wise and I have been sad every time I finished her books. And do we have time to really, really quickly mention the bridge thing? So on her website, you pointed out that she wrote a short story to bridge two of her novels. And have you read it yet? Sarina33:19I have not. So you can't spoil it. Jess33:21No, no, no I'm not going to spoil it.Sarina33:22But it is a genius idea. Jess33:26How clever is that? And here's what she does. There's stuff in that bridge story that I would have been like, 'Oh no, save that for the novels. That's the good stuff.' And she doesn't, that story stands on its own as a really lovely piece of writing that gets to own its own turf within the universe of those two novels. And so, I loved it. It was included at the end of the audio. She reads it actually, Katherine Center reads it, at the end of How To Walk Away, I think. And loved it. So good. And that idea is great. And her website, as we've been saying, is super colorful and wonderful and yeah, she's delightful. Sarina34:47Keep your butt in the chair and your head in the game. Until next week. Jess34:53This episode of #AmWriting with Jess and KJ was produced by Andrew Parilla. Our music, aptly titled unemployed Monday was written and performed by Max Cohen. Andrew and Max were paid for their services because everyone, even creatives should be paid. This is a public episode. Get access to private episodes at amwriting.substack.com/subscribe

Mama Said There'd Be Days Like This

  Don West and Shawn Vincent explore the Gyrell Lee case, a case Shawn calls, “a perfect example of how can you take such a clear-cut justifiable use of force and ruin it with your behavior before and after the shooting.”   TRANSCRIPT: Don West: Welcome to another episode of our ongoing podcast In Self-Defense. Hi, I'm Don West, national trial counsel for CCW Safe and a practicing criminal defense attorney. I'm here with litigation consultant and the author of our ongoing self-defense articles, a compliment to our podcast and co-host of this podcast series, Shawn Vincent. Hey Shawn. Shawn Vincent: Hey Don, what's happening? Don West: Nice to talk with you again. Do we have something interesting and informative today? Shawn Vincent: Well I'd like to think that we always have something interesting and informative, but today I am excited to talk about this case because when I wrote about this case, we got some interesting comments from the readers. They basically said if you can't use a gun and deadly force to defend yourself in this situation, then when can you? But yet, as clear as the details seem to some of our readers, this guy still got convicted of second degree murder and sent to jail for this self-defense incident. This is going to be the Gyrell Lee case. You've done a little bit of reading up on this too because when we get to the end of this, there's a lot of interesting things that are happening in the appellate court on this case. Don West: That's exactly right. Unlike some of the cases that we analyze and talk about and break down into our four perspectives or elements of self-defense, this is one that has a very clear procedural history where the incident took place, there was a jury trial, ultimately a conviction and then at least --  well, there were two stages in the appellate process, and I think the issues are important for our listeners to be aware of and I think overall this is a cautionary tale that will be of significant value for anyone that may find themselves in a potential lethal self-defense scenario. Shawn Vincent: Yeah so we're looking at self-defense case that was so controversial, or so close to the line -- you and I have talked about this thin line between self-defense and murder, right? In this case, it's so close to that line that two of the jurors who convicted him with second degree murder were crying when they delivered this verdict. That's how upset they were, and then the fact that the Supreme Court in North Carolina stepped in and ended up vacating that conviction on a couple of important legal issues just shows how close it is. Let's ratchet it up one more time. We've done nine of these. This is the eighth out of nine that we're covering. All of them that we've looked at so far involved a shooter who shot an unarmed person. Right? In a lot of these cases there was some suspicion that maybe they had a gun, they didn't know if they had a gun, but in the end the person who died, the attacker in some of these cases or the intruder in some of these cases ended up to be unarmed -- hich obviously right off the bat makes them a very complicated case for the shooter. Don West: Yes. Shawn Vincent: Right, that imminent threat of death wasn't as real as maybe the shooter thought it was at first. This case, the attacker, the guy who died, had a gun, had just shot the defendant's cousin right in front of him, and then had turned the gun on him. That's where some of the readers of the column were like, "What the heck? If he can't use deadly force in that scenario, when can you?" Don West: There are some facts in this case. I guess they're facts in that this is information that was in the case that impressed the jury enough to ask questions and impressed the prosecutor enough to emphasize focusing on specific aspects of those final seconds which gave the prosecutor an argument why this wasn't self-defense, but murder. Probably had some pretty significant impact on the jury because they asked a specific question, asked to review some testimony that related to a divot in the asphalt. I don't want to get too far ahead of us on the facts. Shawn Vincent: Sure let's dive right into the story then. Don West: Let me quote to you just- Shawn Vincent: Please. Don West: ...two sentences from one of the appellate opinions that I think really helps set the stage for this discussion and emphasizes exactly how these self-defense cases can turn out to be only matters of seconds in terms of what's legally important and then what is factually significant. We talk about these cases often from minutes that lead up to it or an ongoing sequence of events that culminates, but from a legal perspective whether there is that imminent threat, whether there is an opportunity to retreat, if there's a legal requirement to retreat, whether there is proportional force, whether there is force used after the threat was neutralized; all of that stuff typically boils down to just a matter of seconds. The court in this case, this would be the North Carolina Supreme Court, in its opinion said this case is about what a man did in the few seconds after he saw his cousin get shot. Don West: We, meaning the court, now have to consider that man's response to this violent event in light of the doctrines of self-defense and defense of another under our stand your ground statutes. So I know you'll lay the factual context for this and it extends well beyond just a matter of seconds, but this is the Supreme Court of North Carolina saying that's where they focused their analysis. That's where they decide in this instance, whether there were mistakes made at the trial level that would warrant a new trial. So that's why I think in some regards it's a cautionary tale factually because there's a tendency in self-defense cases for people to get hung up on things that happened well in advance of the critical moment and sometimes to ignore those things that happened right after, which could factually and then legally, turn what might be a legitimate self-defense shooting into a criminal act. Don West: What we have in this case are aspects of all of those things that we can expand in more detail and discuss how that might impact someone that's listening should they ever become involved in a lethal self-defense situation. So sorry for the bit of a ramble and diversion, but Shawn let's talk about the context of the Gyrell Lee case factually. Shawn Vincent: Sure. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to take ourselves Elizabeth City, North Carolina on the wee morning of New Year's Day, 2013. That's when Gyrell Lee, a guy, 24 years old, is spending New Year's Eve into the morning with his cousin who he considered his best friend, Jamieal Walker. So they're at Jamieal Walker's house and they're hanging out, outside sort of around the side of the house through most of the evening and there's a guy named Quinton Epps, who according to the newspaper was a known troublemaker who had a little bit of beef with Walker. He comes by multiple times throughout the evening. It starts out calm enough, but everyone's drinking. Epps comes by. Each time he's more agitated. Each time the verbal confrontation becomes more aggressive, perhaps not more threatening, but there's this mounting tension. Shawn Vincent: At a certain point in the evening, Lee told investigators that he went to his car. He's a licensed concealed carrier. He pulls out his .45 pistol and carries it with him now. He said, “just in case.” Indicating that he had some indication to think that things might get violent perhaps. Epps comes by again, he slow-rolls past Walker's house and ends up parking his car a couple of houses down the street. Walker and Lee decide to walk down the street. They left the relative safety of Walker's house, walk down the street to meet Epps there. Once they get there, a verbal altercation breaks out. It gets very heated. Lee can see that Epps has a gun behind his back. Don West: Now at this point Shawn, the confrontation or the escalating argument is not between Lee and Epps, but Epps and Lee's cousin. Shawn Vincent: Yeah, Lee's cousin Walker. So Walker and Epps are into it. Lee's basically just maybe a bystander at this point, perhaps he's there intentionally to basically get his cousin's back if things go down. That's something that becomes, I think, an issue for the jury when they have to deliberate this case. Don West: Even though there's nothing illegal about him getting his gun. He's licensed to have it and having it -- the prosecutor no doubt would attempt to say that Lee was preparing to do violence with the gun, whereas Lee would say I was taking some precautionary steps that if this thing got out of control, I would be able to protect my cousin and myself. Shawn Vincent: Exactly and that's the tack that the defense attorney would take at trial, but in the end you and I both know that it's up to the 12 folks that you pick for the jury that are going to make that judgment. He did, he went there, he saw that Epps had a gun behind his back. Lee retrieved his pistol and then the verbal fight gets to a point where Lee's cousin Walker punches Epps in the face. Epps's response to this is to reach out, grab Walker's top of his hood on his hoodie, and he takes his gun and he fires multiple times into Walker's stomach. He shot him multiple times point blank range. Walker runs off and he ends up finding his way behind some house where he dies and he's found sometime later. Then according to Lee, Epps turns his gun to him and that's Lee's now or never moment. He has his gun in his hand. He fires eight times and Epps falls to the ground. He eventually bled to death there in the middle of the street. Shawn Vincent: I mean it's important to add here that in a jailhouse call that the prosecutor's got their hands on, Lee says that he would've shot earlier to protect his cousin, but in the tussling, he couldn't "give a clear shot." Don West: So we have the issue raised through this call, but also there's some factual support I guess that there could be a claim defense of others. Shawn Vincent: Sure. The point, the Supreme Court Justices makes note of that. Don West: Yes that's exactly right and under certain scenarios you do have the right to defend another if you had the right to defend yourself under the same situation, and I think under the facts as you've outlined them as they played out, there was clearly a point in time where Lee would've had the legal right to defend Walker against Epps, but as he then later explained that you just pointed out, he said, "I was going to do that. I was thinking of doing that.”  But because of where they were and how they were positioned together, he didn't have a clear shot. So I guess what he's really saying is he was afraid he would shoot his cousin instead of Epps. Shawn Vincent: I think that's right. Don West: Keep in mind that whole thing probably lasted three or four seconds. Four or five seconds maybe. Shawn Vincent: Of course, it always takes way more time to describe it than these events actually happen. Don West: So then the critical fact there becomes, after Walker is shot, Epps turns and turns his gun toward Lee and by then, Lee has his gun out and is physically able to operate it and winds up shooting Epps several times, ultimately resulting in his death. Shawn Vincent: That's right, and then what happens next is very critical. Everybody including Lee flees the scene. Everybody takes off leaving Epps to die there in the middle of the street. In fact, Lee went and hid his gun under a garbage can and then fails to call the police. So when police get this phone call, there's shots fired. They show up, they find Epps's body there, they start getting witnesses together, and then they eventually find Walker a couple hours later dead behind a house. What they've got on their hands is a double homicide. They're looking for somebody who's murdered two people. Don West: Sure. They have no information to the contrary at that point. Shawn Vincent: Well they certainly don't have the shooter making a self-defense claim at this point do they? Instead they ended up coming to pick him up the next morning. They're looking at him for a double homicide. It was shortly thereafter, according to press reports that it was clear that they were only looking at him for the murder of Epps. They figured out Walker was the cousin, but now he's got a real problem on his hands. Don West: Sure. In addition to fleeing or rather failing to report, he also as you mentioned if not I will, he hid the gun. Shawn Vincent: Yeah. Don West: Well the prosecutor looks at this stuff and screams “consciousness of guilt.” This isn't an innocent guy. This isn't a guy who well may have committed the intentional act of firing his gun into someone else resulting in their death, is thinking that he did something wrong, so he is thinking that he better get out of there --  and then compounding that by thinking he'd better get rid of the evidence that might connect him to this. So Lee starts off with a couple of big strikes against him in putting forth a self-defense claim. Shawn Vincent: He does, but then he also starts out with this idea that he just watched his cousin be gunned down in the street by this guy who is still armed -- certainly capable and seemingly willing to turn the gun on him, on Lee. If you don't have the right to defend yourself in that situation, when do you have the right? That's what the CATO Institute thought. They actually wrote a brief, a friend of the court brief, and submitted it when this appeal was going on. They wanted the Supreme Court of North Carolina to consider their arguments which is essentially that. In a case where there's such clear violence happening right in front of you and you're next. If not then, when? is the real question. Don West: That's exactly right, Shawn, and I wasn't suggesting otherwise. What I was suggesting is that that explanation which seems to be corroborated by some physical evidence and ultimately maybe some additional testimonial evidence, took a while to get to the police because of the actions that Lee took immediately afterward that would raise questions about whether that explanation was in fact true or whether it was a story made up after the fact to claim self-defense. Shawn Vincent: That's what makes this case fascinating. From one perspective we have some really clear mistakes that were made that are going to weigh against him, but we also have on its surface what seems to be such an imminent and reasonable fear that you should have clear-cut self-defense. So with that set up, when we look at these cases, we call them on CCWSafe.com four elements of self-defense. Let's talk about those elements and you pointed out that these aren't legal elements. These aren't necessarily going to be talked about in a court of law, but in all the cases that we looked at these are things that are present and have a huge bearing on the decisions made and how they're interpreted. They're common to every self-defense case. Don West: Yes, that's exactly right, and they also can impact which laws might apply in a given situation and presumptions in favor of the use of deadly force. Shawn Vincent: Sure, so these four elements are location, escalation, reasonable fear, and post-incident actions. So let's start with location because these nine cases that we've explored, we've broke those up into three different groups. The first three that you and I looked at were home invasion cases, or cases where someone in their home confronted an intruder and shot and faced a challenge to their self-defense claim. The second three cases that we looked at were cases that happen in or around cars. A lot of them were considered "road rage" cases. Then we looked at three cases that took place not in your car, not in your home, but someplace in the public where the shooter had a legal right to be and that's where we are here with Gyrell Lee. He had every right to be in the street a couple doors down from his cousin's house on New Year's Eve. Don West: So legally, we're not claiming he was trespassing, not claiming he was committing any other crime. He was out there enjoying the rights as anyone else would have the right to in that particular situation. However, he perhaps doesn't have the same kind of protections that you might have if you are in your home and confronted with someone who intends violence or even to some degree in your car when confronted by someone who intends you harm. This case we're talking about now the location is particularly significant because it's not in any of those areas that might be extra protected in terms of the law favoring the person who uses self-defense force. Don West: In this case, everybody's got about the same standing. No one's defending their house, no one is in their car being attacked. These are guys out on the street each with the same right to be there. Shawn Vincent: Yeah, I want to elaborate on that because when we look at the Castle doctrine, it's pretty much understood in your heart and in the law that when you're in your home, there's no place that you have more of a right to be. There's no place where you'd be more justified to protect yourself with deadly force given the right scenarios right? Don West: Yes, and in fact, in virtually every state that I know of, you have extra protections if you're in your home where your actions are presumed lawful. Where the person who invades your home is presumed to intend you harm. So the imminence is assumed or presumed. The fear of great bodily harm or death is somewhat presumed and then if your actions are reasonable in that context, you enjoy a very high probability of your conduct being excused because of the location coupled with, of course, your conduct significantly very, very important -- but you have in a sense a leg up when you are trying to explain a self-defense scenario in your home. Shawn Vincent: Sure. Don West: The idea that your home is your castle. It's the safest place you can be and that's why the law never requires you to flee your home prior to defending yourself. Shawn Vincent: Sure. Then when we looked at the Ronald Gasser case out of Louisiana. Rob Gasser was in a road rage incident with what turned out to be Joe McKnight, a famous football player. We know that in Louisiana, they specifically mention the car in their laws that if someone crosses that threshold of an open window or the door of the car uninvited, you're specifically on more solid ground than otherwise. Similar to the Castle doctrine, it applies to the car. It's not quite as strong, but it's called out specifically by the law. Don West: Yeah there's typically a stature in place that extends some of the protections you would have in your home to the workplace and the car. Shawn Vincent: Right. So you have more of a right to be in your car than somebody else. Especially someone uninvited, and I think that's the idea of this “more of a right to be there” because, like what you're saying, once they've gone out onto a neighborhood street, nobody has more of a right to be there than anyone else. Now in North Carolina, they've got their version of the stand your ground law there which takes away any duty to retreat, and that's where Gyrell Lee stands. So he's legally protected to not have to run away from this fight, but unlike being in his home or in his car he doesn't have more of a right to be there than Epps did. Which isn't a legal standard, but this is something that juries are going to look at. This is something investigators will look at right? Don West: I agree that they will, and ultimately the jury -- after the case has been filtered through the eyes of law enforcement and then the prosecutor's office and finally gets to the jury -- they're going to look at whether in the total circumstances the accused’s behavior was reasonable, and I think all of that factors in. In fact, I think that that's a point of this case in fact is the reasonableness of what Gyrell Lee did in the context of the prosecutor's argument. Let me just take a second to emphasize and just to reinforce the idea that under common law, the Castle doctrine typically protects people in their home from having to flee. All stand your ground does is simply extend that notion to other places and it's typically any place that you have the right to be. It doesn't change the other elements of self-defense. It doesn't lower the imminence of the threat or serious bodily harm or death. It doesn't change the proportionality of force that's used. All it does is not require you to flee or to retreat prior to using force. Don West: There still are a number of states in the country that require a duty to retreat prior to using deadly force. I think the stand your ground states, though, now are in excess of half where you if otherwise faced with an imminent threat of great bodily harm or death under circumstances where you'd have the right to use deadly force in response to that threat, you do not have to look for and take any opportunity to escape first. Of course legally, that means there's one less thing for the accused to worry about in trial that a jury could find that even though they had the right to defend themselves, they missed an opportunity to flee and therefore, nonetheless, they're still guilty of some degree of murder. Shawn Vincent: Well sure, and that makes this a good time to talk about this element of this case and that's that the prosecutor did suggest to the jury that a reasonable person in Lee's shoes would have run away from the situation and perhaps should have. So when this goes on appeal, add to it that the agreed upon jury instruction that the judge gave to the jury left out that part of that stand your ground law. Don West: Yes it's somewhat complicated and I won't try to explain some of the nuances of the law because the effect of these arguments are so clear and the impact on the jury can be so profound that when the trial judge failed to instruct the jury on North Carolina's existing stand your ground law meaning no duty to retreat, the prosecutor was able, through the arguments, to in effect exploit that. I don't know that she was accused of doing anything unethically, but she did clearly emphasize under this umbrella of reasonableness that it was unreasonable for Lee to use deadly force in that scenario instead of trying to get away. When the jury was not instructed by the judge that in fact Lee had no duty to retreat, then the prosecutor was able not just to make that point, but there was no clear rebuttal by the law. The judge is compelled to instruct the jury on the appropriate law for the case. By failing to directly instruct the jury that there was no duty to retreat, then I think ultimately, and we'll talk about the procedural sequence, ultimately it was concluded that Lee did not get a fair trial. Shawn Vincent: Sure, the Supreme Court says that- Don West: The case was reversed. Shawn Vincent: The Supreme Court says that it's very likely he could have gotten a different result from the trial. Don West: Yeah, the standard's going to be a reasonable possibility of a different outcome, and that's another way of saying that there was the risk of prejudice. They weren't saying that he would've necessarily been acquitted, and I don't think anywhere would you find them expressing an opinion that they didn't think that Gyrell Lee could be guilty of this crime, but they basically said the jury wasn't instructed properly and without the proper instructions, there's a reasonable possibility that the outcome would have been different had they been properly instructed. Shawn Vincent: So we talked about location. Let's talk about escalation, and this is the part where I think very often we have some of the strongest lessons for concealed carriers because I like to talk about when the moment comes, and it's a life or death decision that you have to make in a split second, nobody's going to have the time to go through all these podcasts that we've made and all the lessons that we've written about and check off all the boxes to know if they're justified or not. Right? There's usually a decision before that decision to pull the trigger where you do have the time to really think about the situation that you're in or you're getting yourself into and that is covered by this escalation, de-escalation umbrella. Shawn Vincent: I'm going to say that the Gyrell Lee case, that the decision before the decision was when based with this escalating threat from Epps. Instead of saying, “Hey let's take this party inside,” or “Hey, you know what, let's go over to my house and do this,” He decided instead to stay outside -- which he had every right to do of course -- and go get his gun which, again, he had every right to do, but once he got that gun and made that choice to stay outside where we knew that another confrontation with Epps was likely, he opened the door to the armed confrontation that followed. Don West: Well, you know Shawn, that's an excellent point, and I made the comment early at the beginning of this podcast how the legal decisions and the legal consequences meaning guilty to not guilty in a self-defense incident are often just a matter of a few seconds, and that's what the court said in this case. That their assessment of whether Lee acted legally, or the jury's assessment, is really just a few seconds -- but that doesn't mean that the context isn't important and critically important for those that have taken on this awesome responsibility of carrying a gun that there aren't clear moments and markers along the way where something could have derailed what looked like a train to disaster. Clear heads, calmer heads prevail, and pretty soon something happens that changes the entire course of this. A lot of those decisions, including the ones that Lee made or didn't make and the others, would not have been doing something illegal or legal. It's really just a question of judgment and opportunity and seeing the big picture. Don West: We've already talked about lots of cases where there were clear moments where something could've changed that would have had a dramatic impact on the outcome. I’m thinking of the Michael Dunn case in Jacksonville. The so-called loud music case. Shawn Vincent: Right. Don West: Even the George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin thing. There’s been volumes and hours of things written and talked about in terms of what led up to the incident and frankly there were lots of opportunities for both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin to change the course of what seemed to be inevitable, frankly. The actual legal analysis of whether George Zimmerman was guilty of murder is really distilled to just 40 or 50 seconds -- or even less. Probably as little as five or 10 seconds depending on the evidence that you focus on, and yet that case has been known for all of these bad decisions that somehow got translated into illegal conduct, and virtually none of the stuff was illegal. It was just some bad decision making by both individuals along the way. Shawn Vincent: So let's talk about that because I think that is an important distinction. Was it legal for Lee to be hanging out at his cousin's house on New Year's Eve? Yes. Don West: Of course, yeah. Shawn Vincent: Outside of his home, his cousin's home, where he was a welcome relative, he certainly had a great right to be there. Was it illegal for Lee to get his gun? No. He's a licensed concealed carrier. He was doing it legally and properly. Was it illegal for him to go down the street and meet with Epps who had been tormenting them all night? No. I mean it's a public street. It's his neighborhood. It's his cousin's neighborhood anyway. He absolutely had a right to be there, but I guess what I want listeners to think about is, we've seen so many of these situations where people well within their rights to behave the way they did -- it just wasn't necessarily responsible behavior for someone who carried in his pocket, essentially, the ultimate conflict ender. The power of life and death over this person that they're having a conflict with. Don West: Well there's a level of maturity and, frankly, a level of humility that enters into that decision. We often say you have to be the calmest guy in the room. You have to be the one that's willing to take the guff. You have to be the one that's willing to be insulted and walk away from it rather than resorting to the gun, and I think this is a situation where it sounds like there were some prideful moments and some macho stuff going on where there were opportunities for Walker and Epps to discontinue what they were doing. I mean Walker and Epps were arguing and ultimately Epps shot and killed him. That stinks. That sucks for Walker, and ultimately Epps, because that's what ultimately prompted Lee to get his gun out and prepared to shoot Epps. He just missed his chance when Epps was going after his cousin and then when he turned the gun on him. I think everyone would agree at that point he had no choice. He was facing a gun within a few feet, and he never had an opportunity that I can see in these facts to get away at that point. Don West: Now he had an opportunity maybe earlier if he chose to, but at the moment when he was facing the gun there was no response I could see other than him using his own gun to defend himself. Do you see it any different? Shawn Vincent: You've walked us right into this third element which is reasonable fear. You told me many times, legally, the justification for deadly force requires that you are reasonably fear an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury. Is that right? Don West: Yes. Shawn Vincent: So here you see a guy who's just witnessed his cousin being shot down in the street. Epps the man who shot him, is still armed. He turns the gun on him. That's a “right now” decision, right? That's imminent if I've ever heard of imminent before. Don West: Well, if somebody has a gun and you already know they're willing to fire it, and have fired it, you know the guns works, and you know that if they're facing you and decide to pull that trigger that it's over for you: that is the textbook definition of deadly force. It is clearly imminent at that point and yes, that's a textbook example of when you would have the right to use lethal force in response. Shawn Vincent: Sure, and I think even because duty to retreat came up here in this case because the prosecutor suggested that a reasonable person would have retreated, and because they're in a stand your ground state where he does not have the duty to retreat. I mean even if he wasn't in a stand your ground state, well how's he going to get away here? I mean, he's in the middle of the street. Is he going to turn his back and run on this guy and leave himself exposed to the fire? I don't see how you get out of that. Don West: That's a good point as a side issue. Where there is a legal duty to retreat, retreat is only required if it can be done safely without increasing the risk to yourself or others. So even under those facts, if you start telescoping it to just those seconds when Epps was turning to Lee, and Lee had that moment and that moment only to decide whether to defend himself or not -- there was no opportunity to retreat. He couldn't have physically done it, and therefore, even in a duty to retreat jurisdiction, he would not have been required to do that because it clearly would've increased his danger had he turned his back to run. He would've been even more of a target, I think. Shawn Vincent: Sure. So before we get to these post-incident actions, I want to talk about this concept that we discuss every once in a while called “every shot counts.” We know that Lee fired eight rounds at Epps, and the prosecutor presented some evidence at trial -- and this is the evidence that you mentioned earlier in the podcast -- that the jury asked to see during deliberations. This evidence was a divot in the pavement under Epps's body. The suggestion is that Lee fired a round, at least one round into Epps's prone body that went through his body and made a mark on the pavement underneath. The suggestion being that he was trying to kill him. He wasn't just trying to stop a threat. How do you interpret that? Don West: There's a couple of ways to look at that and analyze it. If you take it simply on that basis that Epps was on the ground and you assume from the way the prosecutor argued this, that she was claiming that not only was he on the ground, but he was no longer a threat. Either he was incapable of firing the gun or he'd dropped the gun. The inference is that he's already on the pavement, no longer a threat and that Lee fired at least one more shot after Epps was no longer a threat. So therefore, there is no legal claim that that last shot could have been in self-defense. That's what pretty quickly morphs a lawful self-defense shooting into some sort of criminal homicide. That's the Goldilocks idea. You can't shoot too soon, you can't shoot too late. It has to be just right. Shawn Vincent: It has to be just right. Don West: If the prosecutor was arguing effectively that he shot him more times and later than he could justify because of the threat, then he's now committed a criminal act which would, if you think about it, how horrible is that to successfully defend yourself against a clear lethal threat only to convert into a murder because you are angry or revengeful or what have you? That's one of those things where it's all there except for that little bit too much. I was hesitant to offer too much of an explanation there because we're assuming that's what the prosecutor argued, and I think that's what she did, and the jury may have really been impacted by that since they wanted to see the evidence again on that divot, but that would be a ripe opportunity I would think for the defense to offer some expert analysis. There'd be all sorts of aspects of that which perhaps there could be some light shed by experts. Contrary to what most people see on TV and in the movies, when someone is shot, they don't fly back two or three feet. They don't immediately hit the ground. Shawn Vincent: They don't fall off a church steeple. Yeah. Don West: Yeah, yeah. So you've got someone unless they are hit, not to be too graphic, but unless they are hit in the head and die instantly and are incapable of movement, someone who's shot in the torso or anywhere other than the head is likely to be able to move --  and sometimes move a lot unti -- Shawn Vincent: Well, case and point here, Walker was shot multiple times and he was able to run away and hide behind a house where he died. Don West: Yes. So that's why an expert might come in and say look because of the nature of this guy's injuries, he was still able to fully function for 10 or 15 seconds. Which of course is an eternity if you're facing somebody with a gun. So it was a nice attempt by the prosecutor to use that evidence to try to climb into Lee's head to claim that here's where the malicious intent, and here's where the criminal act took place, but this thing happens so fast you just don't know. That's a shame isn't it if that was exploited, but it wasn't in fact true. Shawn Vincent: Rebutted. Yeah. Don West: Yeah. Of course any experienced gun operator, certainly law enforcement and military know that these are very fluid and dynamic situations where you don't see the immediate effect of shot one as you're preparing to fire shot two. So the idea that there were eight shots sounds like a lot, and maybe there's a plausible argument that it was too many, but not necessarily. Especially if they were all clustered together and Epps still seemed to be capable and ready to fire himself. Shawn Vincent: We talked about the choice before the choice, and so, shy of Lee going to get his gun, which he had every right to do legally, the biggest mistake he makes here is after the shooting. We explained earlier that everyone fled the scene including Lee. He went and hid his gun under a garbage can. He failed to report it to the authorities and we know that the cops were looking at a double homicide when they picked him up the next day. You quoted a legal term about how that could be interpreted, that fact. Don West: Oh, yeah. Earlier I said consciousness of guilt. Shawn Vincent: Consciousness of guilt. So essentially suggesting that he's acting not in the way somebody who used justifiable self-defense would act. He's acting like somebody who committed a murder. Don West: That's the inference to be drawn by somebody who flees, fails to remain on the scene, fails to report, hides evidence. I'm not so sure that fleeing isn't easier to explain than hiding the gun. I don't have any more facts than you do about where he got the gun, but we do know he was legally allowed to have it, so I'm going to assume it was a legal gun for him. It sounds like he simply panicked and, as a result of that, made some pretty bad decisions. Decisions, again, that were able to be exploited by the prosecutor to suggest that this wasn't self-defense. This was in fact a criminal act. So we've already talked about a couple of things that the prosecutor had to try to convert what seems to be a lawful self-defense shooting into a criminal act. We have this notion of the divot under the body that would suggest too many shots, even if it was otherwise lawful. Don West: Then you've got the fleeing and the hiding of the evidence to suggest that, since the ultimate path of a self-defense case is to get between the ears and into the head of the person who's on trial, since the measure of the jury is whether the person acted reasonably, the jury has to figure out what the person was thinking and why and was it reasonable to conclude that they were facing this imminent threat and had to respond accordingly. So anything that you do that disrupts that or that causes the reasonableness of your conduct to be questioned is a clear disadvantage. Shawn Vincent: Sure and you were talking earlier about when the Supreme Court in North Carolina looked at this, they were looking at just those few seconds where he pulled the trigger right? Don West: That's what they looked at, exactly. Shawn Vincent: They're not looking at what happened before. They're not looking at what happened after. The suggestion is that maybe they get a different result if they go to trial and say give the proper jury instruction on here. The way I'm looking at this, if we look at these four elements, location: he had the right to be there. The law in North Carolina was on his side regarding him not having the duty to retreat. The Supreme Court reiterated that in their decision. We go to escalation. Here he made a number of mistakes. He allowed this repeated verbal confrontation to escalate to violence, and he armed himself for it when he could've made other decisions that would've eliminated the potential for this violent confrontation. Don West: Yeah, let's talk about the escalation just a little bit more to put it in context. That's not necessarily doing something that was illegal. Escalation isn't the same thing as provocation or being the initial aggressor which can have significant effects on one's right to use self-defense force. Shawn Vincent: Sure. Don West: We're talking about more tactics, common sense, missing opportunities to avoid the whole thing. Shawn Vincent: Right, and what I want concealed carriers to take away from a story like this is to take those opportunities to de-escalate, to avoid a confrontation when they come. If you have that call or that thought that I need to go get my gun, that's the moment to stop and think about how important is it to defend my right to party outside of my cousin's house on New Year's Eve? Is that worth getting into a gunfight over? Don West: Shawn, I don't know since we weren't there, whether there was a clear opportunity for Lee to get Walker away as well. It sounded like it. It sounded like there were lots of times when the whole confrontation could've been avoided by Lee getting Walker and saying let's get away from this guy, he's crazy or he just wants to fight, or anything that would have initially separated Walker and Epps would then have prevented Walker's death and ultimately would have prevented Lee from getting into it and having to shoot and kill Epps to save himself. So this thing went sour pretty early when you start looking at Walker and Epps being what initiated ultimately the confrontation between Epps and Lee. Shawn Vincent: I guess what I'm leading up to here, Don, is if we take that snapshot of just that reasonable fear right after the cousin's shot and the gun's turned on him -- that few seconds that the Supreme Court that's all they're looking at -- that's real clear-cut, and without making a decision about being on his side, it feels like they're on his side here. This case is almost an example of how can you take such a clear-cut justifiable use of force and ruin it with your behavior before and after the shooting. Don West: Well, thanks Shawn. It's a pleasure talking with you. I enjoy just hearing how you think sometimes. We often work with a fairly sketchy outline. We have a lot of filling in the blanks to do, and I think that the two of us do a pretty good job at distilling important issues, not just for these cases, but that turn out to be pretty good thinking points for our listeners and those members and future members of CCW Safe that have decided to be responsible gun owners and responsible in carrying their firearm, and can -- by visualizing and listening and learning, understanding the legal boundaries --  can not only be prepared to save their life and their loved ones, but be prepared to avoid the nightmare situation that so many wind up in that we feature in our ongoing podcast, In Self-Defense. Thanks Shawn, I'm Don West, National Trial Counsel for CCW Safe. Shawn, thanks as always and I'll talk to you next time. Shawn Vincent: I'll talk to you soon.

"Rod Serling who used to do a show called the Twilight Zone. This was an unusual show about a boy who had the ability, the gift to see into the future and everyday he would do his personal TV show and he would tell the people what's going to happen tomorrow. Needless to say, the whole world watched as he would give them a prophecy of the next day. One day he told his mom he couldn't do the show. She said, you've got to do the show. There's millions of people watching. Millions of people depending upon what you say about the next day to come in the events that are going to come. And he said, mom, I can't. I can't. I just can't go. And finally she talked him into it and the boy appeared before the camera and then he began to tell the story of the next day." Family Discussion: What is the object of your worship? Who Do you spend your time worshiping? If you could go to a stadium and you could see anything on the field, you could see to spend hours adoring it, admiring what would you want on the field? Transcription: 00:14          It's been 30 years, but I'll never forget the little TV show I saw. I think the author of the show was Rod Serling who used to do a show called the Twilight Zone. This was an unusual show about a boy who had the ability, the gift to see into the future and everyday he would do his personal TV show and he would tell the people what's going to happen tomorrow. Needless to say, the whole world watched as he would give them a prophecy of the next day. One day he told his mom he couldn't do the show. She said, you've got to do the show. There's millions of people watching. Millions of people depending upon what you say about the next day to come in the events that are going to come. And he said, mom, I can't. I can't. I just can't go. And finally she talked him into it and the boy appeared before the camera and then he began to tell the story of the next day.   01:00          And the day would be the day the sun wouldn't come up again. There'd be no sun. The world would be in darkness. The world would freeze and everyone would freeze to death. It was an awful ending to an awful show. But what would you do if you could see tomorrow? What would you do with your life if you knew tomorrow would be the day the sun would never shine again? This book begins in Chapter Four. When God says to John, come up here and I will show you what must take place after these things. So the book begins to unfold after the age of the church, after the age that we're in today of the gathering of the men and women under Christ, the gathering of the gentiles and the building of Christ's body. Now God shows John what will take place after this age. Revelation four verses nine through 11.   01:48          John says this, "and when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne to him who lives forever and ever to 24 elders will fall down before him, who sits on the throne and will worship him, who lives forever and ever and will cast their crowns before the throne. Saying worthy are you, oh Lord and God to receive glory and honor and power for you created all things and because of your will, they existed and were created." All John can do when he sees the future and God brings him up to show him the things that are going to take place, he falls down on his knees. He begins to worship Jesus. You know, my question for you today is what's on your iPod and not just what's on your iPod, what's on your computer? You could tell so much about a man when you look at a man's iPod, when you look at a man's computer trail, when you look at the DVDs that are in the shelf that a man spends time on and watches.   02:42          Because you can see the object of a man's worship. And so often our worship is football teams. You know, as people pack the stadiums by the tens of thousands. So often our worship is, you know, the American idol. You know, the Heisman trophy winners, you know, the supermodels that come down the runways. But Jesus says in this scripture points out that at the end, all that we will do is have worship on our iPods. All that we will do is have worship in our hearts and in our minds, in our heart will be consumed with worship. You know, I have two friends that are great musicians in two parts of the country. In fact, they've won, I suppose about every award in music you can win. But both these two friends, although they don't really know each other that well, but both these two friends in the middle of their stardom, in the middle of the, you know, their greatest times of success in their music careers, both of them were bored.   03:40          Both of them had reached the point of, of ultimate success in music. You know, topping the charts and you know, radio all over that really the world. But then both of them on an individual basis begin to sing worship and their wives became fulfilled again and their hearts begin to wrap around the greatest music that there is. The music of worshiping Jesus. And that became the iPod that they began to sing. And so it will be with you. And so my question to you today is one, what is the object of your worship? Who Do you spend your time worshiping? If you could go to a stadium and you could see anything on the field, you could see to spend hours adoring it, admiring what would you want on the field? And the second question, if you're bored, if your life is distraught, if you're going through depression or meaninglessness, fill your iPod with praise and worship. Fill your DVD shelves with praise and worship. Fill your computer trail with praise and worship and watch your life come alive.

Joel Makower is chairman and executive editor of GreenBiz Group Inc., producer of GreenBiz.com, and lead author of the annual State of Green Business report. A veteran journalist with more than 40 years' experience, he also hosts GreenBiz's annual GreenBiz Forums, the global event series VERGE, and other events. Joel is author of more than a dozen books, including his latest, The New Grand Strategy: Restoring America's Prosperity, Security, and Sustainability in the 21st Century (St. Martin's Press). Joel Joins Sustainable Nation to Discuss: The evolution of GreenBiz and becoming a top resource for sustainability professionals Current state and momentum around the circular economy The ESG investing movement pushing corporate sustainability forward Excitement around carbon capture, carbon storage and working towards carbon positive Advice and recommendations for sustainability leaders Interview Highlights What are you seeing out there in regards to the circular economy? Do you envision us ever getting to a true circular economy? I know one of your annual events is Circularity. Maybe you can tell us a little bit about the discussions that have been going on at that conference and your thoughts in general on what you're seeing in the circular economy movement. I've been in this field for a long time and I've seen a lot of frameworks, ideas, concepts and other things come to the fore. Most of them fade back into the proverbial woodwork. Circular economy is different. It's the first of these frameworks that I've ever seen that really requires a company to engage its entire value chain, as opposed to something like energy efficiency, renewable energy or waste reduction and things that may involve some partners, but you can largely do that by yourself. This is something where you have to rethink how materials are designed, where the materials come from, where it's made, how it's made, how it's sold into the marketplace and the relationship with the customer because it may no longer be a buy and sell relationship, it may be something else. We have to consider what the ongoing post-market relationship is, because instead of just a few years of a service contract there may be a 10 or even 20 year subscription kind of relationship in some cases. We have to consider how you get stuff back and what happens to it. How do you extract the materials? Can you repair and refurbish it? Is it produced into something new and what is the market for that? How does the money change hands? It is really complicated. I've never seen anything come to the fore this quickly and attract the nature of excitement and companies. Just look at the companies Loop has with Proctor and Gamble, Nestle, PepsiCo, Unilever, Mars, Clorox, Coca-Cola and a bunch of smaller brands. They have evolved UPS in the program and a resource management company. It's a big system and it's admittedly just getting going in various locations including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and an area in France. It's just really happened this summer, so it's going to be a while before we really have a sense of this, probably at least the end of the year. But it's a really interesting experiment and it's one of many. It's just really extraordinary what's going on out there. So, we launched a conference this year called Circularity. There really hadn't been a comprehensive, multi-day circular economy event in North America. There'd been a few smaller ones, but none that really brought together the entire value chain from the polymer companies like Dow, DuPont, BASF and others all the way through the brands and the collection and recovery companies. We didn't know how many people to expect. It was a launch events, so we kind of stuck our finger in the air and said, "Well, 500 people would be great." We had to shut down registration at 850 because the fire marshal basically told us we had to. Aside from the numbers, it was really quite a mood there because you had all these people from some of the world's biggest brands loking around the room and saying, "Wow, I had no idea that there were so many of us." That was a special moment and we think that we're onto something, so we'll be doing this annually. The next one's in May in Atlanta next year. Loop requires a change from the consumer. Consumers have to play a role in this. Do you think consumers are ready to change the way that they purchase and they consume to help work towards a circular economy? Well, it's an open question and a good one. I started this part of my career with the consumer facing piece, and back in 1989 there was the first study of consumers in the US about their interest and willingness about making greener choices in the marketplace by an organization called the Michael Peters Group. It had some very large percentage, 78% or 92%, of people who said that they would gladly make the green choice and some very high percentage of those would pay a small premium for the privilege of doing so. Of course, if we look at our grocery carts and everything else, they haven't changed all that much. They do these surveys all the time now and the numbers aren't all that different. So, there's this big disconnect between what consumers say they want to do and what they actually do. For it to succeed, green has to equal better. Better can be defined in lots of different ways - cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate, higher quality, better for my family, better for my community, better for my image, recyclable, locally sourced and any number of things. I's going to depend on whether you're talking about cosmetics, a computer or a car, but so many of these products have not been better. They have been harder to find, more expensive or didn't work as well from brands you didn't recognize. I think that's the big question. How much are consumers willing to try new things? Will it be seen as better? Will it be more convenient? Will it be more affordable? Will it be higher quality? Will it be something that makes them feel good? People change all the time and how we do things, but it has to be better. That's the real thing. People say they want a change, but when it comes down to actually making those changes, not so much. So that's the open question. Will Loop be better? Will a subscription model for something that we used to buy for clothing be better? It will be for people who could afford it and for some higher end fashion, but it won't be for the people who shop at, let's say, Old Navy, because those things are just too inexpensive to put it into a circular model. So, we're going to see a lot of different things, a thousand flowers blooming, and some of them are going to take and some of them are going to wither and die. I think that's where we're at and, and the ultimate answer your question is it depends on the product, the offering, how well it's available and all kinds of other things. It's going to vary depending on product category to product category. We may see some big changes in some and some huge resistance in others. GreenBiz has also done a great job in talking about how the investment community is getting engaged in sustainability and is helping to push the sustainability movement forward. For many years, the discussion was that investing in sustainability and battling climate change was going to be too hard on the economy and it was going to be too costly. It was going to slow growth. Now we're hearing the complete opposite. We're hearing that if we don't address climate change, it's going to have catastrophic impacts on our economy. The exciting thing is a lot of this is coming from the investment community. Talk to us about this change in dynamic that you're seeing and how this is really moving things forward. Yeah, the conversation has flipped in a certain way from "What is business doing to impact the climate?" To "How is the climate going to impact business?" That's a very different conversation from corporate responsibility to risk, plain and simple. Risk can come in a lot of different forms from, from reputational and financial risk to right to operate risk. If you are a heavy water user in a water stressed area, you may not be welcome there, for example. There's business continuity risks, the ability to have reliable supply chains. All of this gets factored in by climate change and so this has become a factor for investors because they are naturally concerned about risk. That's where they live. There's a framework introduced in Europe a couple of years ago with the lovely acronym, TCFD. It stands for the Task Force on Climate Related Financial Disclosure. Basically, it's a framework on how companies can report to investors the impacts to them, to their company, their operations, their supply chains, their customers and their employees in a climate constrained world looking out any number of years at different levels of degrees of global warming. Investors are interested in that and taking a look at that. In Europe and in Asia, that's becoming required to be listed on some stock exchanges. It's not being required so much here in the United States, but as is often the case here in the US, regulations are coming more from the market than from the government. So, if you look at the big institutional investors, the BlackRocks, the Vanguards, the State Streets, the CalPERS and other big pension funds organizations, they are now leaning into what's called ESG environmental, social and governance metrics. These have been around for a long time, basically metrics of how companies track their impacts. But these have been around and not that interesting to mainstream investors, but suddenly it is. So, now these things which had been sitting off in the margins are now sitting in the middle of Wall Street, which is sort of changing the game. One of the other things we launched this year in addition to our Circularity Conference, is something within our GreenBiz conference that we hold every February in Phoenix, called the the Green Fin Summit, looking at green finance issues. This is an event within an event with about a hundred people, invitation only getting the ecosystem in the room to discuss some big challenges. In this case, the big challenge is how do we align the information that companies are reporting with the information that investors need to make risk-based asset allocation decisions? That turns out to be not so simple, because for all the companies that are reporting, it's not the necessarily the accessible comparable information that investors need to look at a company and determine how well they are poised to survive and thrive in a climate constrained world. So, this is just getting going, but it's a really fascinating area. The question is, following the money, will that really drive change at a much faster scale, scope and speed? And I think it can. What is one piece of advice you would give other sustainability professionals that might help them in their careers? Learn about things beyond sustainability. In some ways, sustainability is too important to be left to sustainability professionals. So, learn finance, learn marketing, learn supply chain, learn, procurement and learn HR. Learn any number of other disciplines and bring your sustainability instincts and knowledge to that. That's how change happens. The sustainability department in way too many companies is a little bit of a ghetto where it's around compliance, it's around doing well by doing good, but it's not seen as strategic to companies. So, the more you can learn about other things and embed that into sustainability work or embed sustainability into that other work, I think the bigger impact you can have. What are you most excited about right now in the world of sustainability? Well, everything. But I think we've been talking about some of it - the circular economy, the green finance piece of it, the carbon draw down. Those are three big ones. I think some of these are the newest emerging and potentially most impactful things going on out there. What is one book you would recommend sustainability professionals read? That's an unfair question because I've written a bunch of books on sustainability. The question is do I talk about Cradle to Cradle or some of the other iconic books out there, or do I talk about The New Grand Strategy? This is a book I coauthored a couple of years ago that talks about an economic plan for America, born at the Pentagon, that embeds sustainability as a national strategic imperative. It's a different version of what some now call the Green New Deal, but it's a really bipartisan and it's not a Washington program. It's really bottom up since we're not looking to Washington for leadership in the United States, it's really going to happen at the city and state level. I still think that that's a really interesting topic of how do we look at the economy and look at sustainability and figure out how sustainability can leverage economic opportunities at all parts of the economic scale. What are some of your favorite resources or tools it really help you in your work? I just love being out there and talking to companies and real people doing real things. GreenBiz and other resources are great. I read Bloomberg, I read the Guardian, mainstream media is starting to cover this more and more and I always am fascinated by that to see how they do it. The answer often is not very well. But there's no substitute for getting out there and doing informational interviews, meeting people for lunch, going to conferences, networking events and just learning what people are doing and how they're grappling, how they're succeeding, what's not going well, what they wish they could be doing more of. I think that's fascinating and the best way to learn. Every company, depending on its size, sector, geography, competitive landscape, culture of innovation and a number of other factors, does this differently and needs to do it differently. So, it's not something where there's a six part program or a 12-step or any other program that you can check into, although there are some best practices. You learn from other people. That's what I find most effective. There is a really high percentage of people in this field who are just great people with the spirit of generosity, spirit of caring, who obviously care about the planet and they're doing God's work. They tend to be a just really enjoyable people to hang out with. Where can people go to learn more by you and the work of GreenBiz? Well you can go to greenbiz.com. You can also check out my personal site and makower.com to see some of the other things that I've been up to. GreenBiz is a great resource we have five weekly newsletters, a different one each workday. Mine comes out every Monday, called Green Buzz which looks at the profession of sustainability and what's going on in that. There's also one on energy, one on the circular economy, one on this verge in technology and one on transportation and mobility issues. They're all different written by different people. They're all pretty good and it's all free. You can find all that on GreenBiz. There's also a number of other webcasts, webinars and other resources that we have. And of course, if you can make it to one of our three big events every year, we'd love to see everybody there. About Sustridge Sustridge is a sustainability consulting firm providing consulting in sustainability strategy development, GHG emissions calculating and management, zero waste planning and guidance in TRUE Zero Waste, B Corp, LEED and Carbon Neutral certification.

S4E16 (The Unnatural) & S4E17 (Roz's Turn). Our hosts discuss a memorable concert experience of Ryan's, the importance of a recurring West Wing character, and Laurel's penchant for research. Email us! CRANEiacs@gmail.comTweet at us! @CRANEiacsJoin the Facebook Group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CRANEiacsPodcast/

There'd be no Pleasures without The Foxery, and there would be no Foxery without Calvin Fackler. This was the most fun episode yet with one of our dearest friends, and basically a snapshot of an hour in the van with us on tour.

In today's podcast Mason chats with Tara Schulenberg and Brit Deanda of Elevate The Globe. Elevate The Globe was founded with intention to raise the vibration of the entire planet, one person at a time. Tara and Brit use their expertise as kundalini yoga practitioners to empower, support and educate individual's to live their best lives. The ladies believe that when we focus on feeling good and doing our inner work, we elevate our vibration. Creating a ripple effect that elevates the entire collective. Today is all about energy magic and high vibe living!    Mason and Ladies explore: The power of Kundalini yoga. High vibe living, and what the involves. Meditation and the transformative nature of a daily practice. Energy work. Mindfulness and manifestation. Who are Tara Schulenberg and Brit Deanda? Tara Schulenberg and Brit Deanda are High Vibrational Lifestyle Experts, Kundalini yogis, and two best friends on a mission to elevate humans, and make this world a more loving place.Tara and Brit are obsessed with living the high vibe life and empowering others to do the same.  On their journey's through personal challenge, heartbreak and loss, Tara and Brit were lead down individual paths of transformation. Along the way the ladies learned the high vibrational philosophies and techniques which allow them live fully enriched lives today. Tara and Brit use these tools to empower their communities and move through life’s ups and downs with grace and a neutral mind.    Resources: Elevate The Globe Website Elevate The Globe Instagram Elevate The Globe Facebook Elevate The Globe Youtube   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher :)! Plus  we're on Spotify! We got you covered on all bases ;P   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Mason:  ... Britt and Tara, welcome. Thank you so much for coming and joining me on the Pod.   Britt:  Thank you, thank you for having us.   Tara:  We're so happy to be here.   Mason:  Absolute pleasure. Okay, so you are elevating the globe. First of all, where are you? Where are you coming from? I think I never established that.   Britt:  We're in Los Angeles and we live closer to the beach and the South Bay.   Mason:  In the South Bay? Okay. Is that near like Manhattan Beach?   Britt:  Yes.   Mason:  Okay, I had you around that area. I like going down there.   Tara:  The beach is beautiful and we're actually recording from Manhattan Beach now and Britt lives in El Segundo.   Britt:  Yeah, so it's a little more slower paced over here, maybe similar to ... [inaudible 00:00:37] ... I've never been, but yeah, it's just a little bit more of a slow-paced, relaxed atmosphere here.   Mason:  I don't think you guys had it in the States, but I was walking along, it was like three weeks ago I was there, I went for a body surf, but I was walking along the boardwalk there where everyone was roller blading and I was like my gosh, I know this scene. And we had this game, really old school game when we were like five called California Games. There'd be like hacky sack and rock climbing and surfing, just like really, really terrible.   Mason:  But I was like oh my gosh, I recognize this place. This is where it was on Hermosa Beach. So yeah, I feel really connected to the place. Okay, so you're in Manhattan now. I like it down there. It seems like it's a nice little ... I mean all of L.A.'s a bubble. I want to hear about what you're offering and what you're doing with Elevate the Globe, but especially in context of there in L.A. and in Manhattan Beach, is there something in that whole area, is there something in particular going on that you feel that people are yearning for or just like missing in general day-to-day life that's driven what you do?   Britt:  I like that question.   Tara:  Yeah.   Britt:  You know, Elevate the Globe was essentially founded on our own healing journeys and just really feeling excited and passionate and compelled to share. Basically combining all these different modalities and healing practices to create a lifestyle that really transformed our life, so that's really what it was built upon and has just grown, but it's interesting, because your question about Los Angeles was kind of a secondary piece of Elevate the Globe.   Britt:  It really started more because there is so much Kundalini here and there is so much wellness here and people are really focused on the mind and the body and just elevating their health and what we felt like was that we wanted it also to be accessible in the small towns in America and the different cities and the different countries that maybe didn't have as much access to it, so essentially for Kundalini yoga, where it's huge in L.A., it's huge in London, it's huge in New York, and I know parts of Australia.   Mason:  Yeah, it's massive. I was doing Kundalini 10 years ago, loving it back then.   Britt:  Okay.   Tara:  Yeah.   Britt:  You know, not as much, we were hearing, especially just from family and friends, not as much in other areas, so that's really what kind of compelled us to start doing these practices online, but now we really have been able to form a strong community here and we do find it really nice and inspiring and motivating to have a lot of people here who are really conscious and do have the same ideals and mindset that we do.   Tara:  Well, and I guess just to answer your question of what you think people might be yearning for or missing, it does kind of feel like people have been doing yoga for a long time, but maybe not something like Kundalini yoga and have been moving their body and really using it as a workout and definitely, they've noticed a shift in their mind, but it's getting them only so far and they're looking for something to propel them forward fast.   Tara:  And then, Kundalini kind of shows up in their pathway and so, they're kind of ready to go deeper into their spiritual world and that's when we kind of come in and have the Kundalini. Like this will take you to another level real fast.   Mason:  Yeah, nice.   Tara:  Because it's the mother of all yogas and it was ancient, over 5,000 years old and it was like the first yoga, so all other yogas were stemmed from the Kundalini yoga and it works on your 10 bodies and it works on every aspect of you, not just your body or just your mind. It works on all of it.   Mason:  I really love that the practice ... I remember reading Yogi Budgen and how much of a badass he was back in the day. He was the one that got me into cold water therapy and all that kind of stuff. He was real holistic guy. What I'm curious ... because I'm fascinated by the Kundalini community. I've kind of like ejected myself out of the yoga community, just because I wasn't able to actually give ... I just realized I was like really scraping the surface of what yoga philosophy really was and because I had other things going on, I couldn't really justify teaching, because I couldn't be in it, I couldn't be like balls deep in the yoga philosophy.   Mason:  What I'm curious about is how do you see this Kundalini practice, of course, it's been done very successfully in some areas and very unsuccessfully, I'd say, in others where we're bridging yoga into the West. How do you support a Western mind or how have you observed Western Culture adopting Kundalini in a way that you feel is really practical, really honoring the way that it was done in antiquity? Is there anything ... I don't know exactly what I'm asking, but I'm curious about that world about that crossover.   Britt:  Yes, that's something that was really big for us when we first started and continued to be something that we feel was really important to help people with, because I think when you're bringing in these ancient practices like the herbs that you work with or the Kundalini or whatever it is, bringing it into the modern world is just a whole different scenario and while all of these truths completely ring true it's like we also have to adapt them to what's going on right now and I think a lot of times, things that Yogi Budgen said, I wonder what he would say about that now.   Britt:  And I know especially he was such a visionary and he did predict and discuss so much of what's happening now long before it actually came to fruition, but I think for us, we're really just trying to share how we incorporate it into our modern lives. Like you said, in a practical way, so it's not kind of this abstract concept that's actually not going to work for somebody that has a job and has a family or whatever it is.   Britt:  For us, kind of the easiest way that we do it personally and a lot of what we share is to just start of small, one, and for us, kind of the one thing that is our non-negotiable and that's one of the most important things is to just have a morning practice and really just start our day with some yoga, some meditation, some breath work and mantra and just really tune our bodies and vibration up first thing, so that we can really be living in that energy and from a conscious, high-vibrational place throughout the day.   Britt:  And we find that when we just focus on that first, then everything else kind of flows and we're able to attract more and more of this ancient lifestyle into our modern-day lives. That's kind of our main focus, just get in that morning practice and just stick there and then, you'll be able to handle a lot more and have a lot more energy to kind of build upon that.   Mason:  And I'm curious, how does the morning practice go ... maybe I can get some advice, how does it go with a three year old?   Tara:  Oh my gosh, that's a good question for Britt.   Britt:  Yeah, so I have a three year old, so yeah, she has gotten pretty used to it at this point and sometimes, she does join in, but it's kind of just with an underlying understanding in my family that when we all wake up, because she wakes up very early, like literally sometimes 4, 4:30, 5 a.m.   Mason:  True Kundalini.   Britt:  Yes. She just goes in the other room. A lot of times my husband is with her and they'll be making breakfast or playing or doing whatever and she just kind of knows to give me that space now, so it wasn't always like that. When she was younger, it was harder and it still can be hard some days, but even if I just get in a little bit or a couple meditations, it's better than nothing and I feel like it's good for her to kind of see and I see her start to do some breath or incorporate it in little ways already.   Mason:  Yeah, beautiful. I love it. Yeah, it's a juggle having a toddler and maintaining that personal practice, right? I've really realized watching Tawney, so Tawney, my fiance, she's had two yoga studios, she's especially in that yin yoga world. I talked to her just so much about yogi philosophy and bringing it over to the West and so much about an adaptable meditation practice.   Mason:  One thing I kind of remember about Kundalini, I'm loving this opportunity to talk to you and I hope you can just entertain me in these questions that I'm throwing your way, because I see you having quite a nice humble and as you said practical approach to this Kundalini practice, which I don't know if it's because once something becomes cool, I have an aversion towards it whether it's just I actually saw something, but you know when something starts picking up steam like even with my own business, Adaptogens, I'm like oh, not using that word anymore when it becomes trendy. With Kundalini, because obviously it did become trendy and it seems to have been navigated fairly well, although I'm sure you see people wrapping themselves in their egoic identity within Kundalini itself like people would do with anything.   Mason:  I'm curious about that bridging of meditative practice. Kundalini seems to be quite adaptable in terms of which crea or which style of meditation you are using that's going to directly impact your life and where exactly you're at. It's not necessarily like a martial arts belt system where you just go higher and higher and higher. Can you talk a little bit about that and whether I'm nailing it there or whether it's a little bit different than what I'm understanding?   Tara:  That's correct, just in general, to kind of step back, Kundalini yoga was meant to be like Yogi Budgen called it the householder's yoga, so it is kind of meant to be a mainstream yoga, even though it's a really ancient practice. We have to think of it as how blessed we are that we have this practice that was only literally given to like the kings back in ancient times, because it was so powerful that we know what they are and can sit down for three minutes and do a Kundalini meditation that may have taken 10-20 years for a yogi to download. We can do it in three minutes and press play on a video and go okay, I have the ability to be able to do that right now.   Tara:  I look at it that way instead of it being so trendy and I love that it's trendy, because of the day and age that we're in right now where it's the age of Aquarius, it's the age of information and experience and we're thrown so much stuff our way every day and bombarded with so much information and thoughts that we have and everything changes so fast. Everything changes faster in a day than something like 10 years or something back in the day, you know? It's like we can just have information at our fingertips and there's just so much more available, so it helps us to be able to cope.   Tara:  It's like a tool for us to be able to deal with the amount of energy that's here on our planet and tune the body up to be able to handle it just like how you are toning your internal organs with the tonic herbs, it's toning up and tuning up your body and your energetic field to be able to handle everything that we're dealing with on the planet, so I want it to be trendy, I want it to be trendy with people understanding that there is depth and breadth to the Kundalini, it's like there is the depth that you can go with it within yourself.   Tara:  It's also that there's thousands of creas, which is just sets of exercises, creas, and they are for different things, so if you have anger, there's a meditation or crea for that. If you want to move the lymph system in the body, you want to move your lymph out, it's like there's a crea for that. If you want to balance out your ridge chakra or all of your chakra, there's meditations for that. There's full-on liver and digestion creas that literally move so much energy that you have stomach pains. It's just a really special thing that we are able to access and we've never been able to do that until the last 50-60 years, it's just not been available.   Tara:  And so, it's surfaced and resurfaced, because tools like this that are ancient, resurface when there's a need for us to kind of get back to our roots, because there's so much information, we need to be grounded in the earth and in our roots and so, things like tonic herbalism, things like Kundalini yoga and just yoga in general used to be a way of life that people lived. It wasn't like a lifestyle that we can choose now, it was just how people lived.   Tara:  And so, it's coming back up so that we can start syncing with the planet again and being able to handle all of this information in this day and age of moving from the 3D to the 4D to the 5D, but being able to literally just keep up and handle it, you know?   Britt:  Yeah, to kind of add on what you were saying, Mason about just the egoic part of it and kind of like the trendy part of it that can hold that kind of energy, I think that's also really important to us to try as much as possible to not have that be present personally and just through our teachings, because I think that's kind of the key that you hit on there is like if we can help these kinds of practices to the masses without the ego and without doing it just because it's on trend or for some other motive, then I truly believe that these are the things that will heal the planet and we're in a time right now where Mother Earth is crying and we want to really be a part of the solution and we really do believe that it starts with all of the individuals, each of us and just spreading these kinds of practices as far as we can.   Mason:  I appreciate both those responses. And something that just came up there was the depth and breadth of the practice. One thing I always did like about Kundalini is you couldn't escape the physical arsenal, but generally had real strong intent, which I like when you just went through several creas and the intention behind them. It's just like that's rad. I really always did appreciate that, but you couldn't really bypass the breath work and the meditative work, which of course, happens a lot in the yogi scene, which is fine. A lot of people just want to move their bodies and exercise, but it's something you have mentioned, philosophy like Kundalini, I did always appreciate.   Mason:  Is there something that you're particularly passionate about within the seemingly endless depth of this system? And it's somewhat I'd call it a system and you can retort on that if you have a different opinion, but is there anything in particular within that system, within its depths and its broad nature that you're particularly wanting to see people get access to that maybe haven't so much in the last couple of decades in the West?   Tara:  Yeah, I think my answer and Britt, you might have a different one and I think we both agree that it is a system.   Britt:  Yeah, like a technology, a system, absolutely.   Tara:  That we would utilize and what I feel is that it really helps people and it helps me and I can just say it from my own perspective, it really helps me to pull away and peel away a lot of the emotional energy that I have kind of like constricted in my body as growing up and not being able to fully express myself, not necessarily from my parents, but just society, we were kind of taught you've got to watch what other people think and just a lot of suppression of emotion and so, it helps me to clear that out and become a really clear channel.   Tara:  And it helps me really get further into the depth of my own soul constantly, like every day I can go further into the experience I'm having with myself, because I think as a society and as a human race, right now you really can see how a really focused outwardly and not so much inward and this is a very inward practice. It's like when you're doing any of the movements, your eyes are closed. I think people are so starved for it and they really are seeking it out like I need to have a relationship with myself and I even talked to one of my guy friends today.   Tara:  I saw him on my morning walk this morning and he's lik 50 years old and he's one of my neighbors and he was just telling me as a man how he came in contact with all this emotional therapy and he's super interested in trying Kundalini yoga and how he got to cry like blubberingly cry the other day and how amazing it was and how he felt so elated and a rush and a high for two days from being able to clear out all of that stagnant emotion, because it was a major gift. I'm like well, that's what Kundalini yoga does for me constantly.   Tara:  It helps me really have this cleansing practice, but then also helps me charge up my energy field and then give me an experience of myself at higher frequencies, because I can run them through the body now. So, I think people are just kind of searching and wanting to be able to cleanse their body and expand right now.   Mason:  I love it. It's an interesting thing, you mentioning your neighbor there. It's very beautiful hearing. I'm not sure about his background, but maybe he wasn't a guy that was traditionally able to let himself cry and blubber and I definitely know how liberating that's been for me in past times. Is it kind of similar like in herbalism, whether it's Chigong practice, I can imagine it's the same with crea, in the beginning of course, you've been doing the practice, there might be some blockages and some deficiencies and whatever it is that you might go to a practice and get a really intense rush of energy or get an intense emotional outburst, which is of course, incredible, it's like sometimes people take medicinal mushrooms and they're like pinging. They're like what are these things? They're not stimulants.   Mason:  And then, after a while you return to center a little bit more and the herbs throw you ... you don't necessarily get that huge hit of emotion that you used to have. That's because it goes from being a little bit more of an extreme surface level when you can go into more subtleties and feel that slow building. Is that kind of similar in Kundalini or does it continue to be those big hits and bit outward transformations ongoingly?   Britt:  For me, I would say I had that experience and I have that experience similar to what you described. When I first started, I definitely felt that really intense, very strong clearing and cleansing and just so much energy. I mean, I had a lot of emotional release as well for probably the first year, I would cry in almost every class and just a lot was releasing, so I was able to get that high feeling much more and much easier.   Britt:  And then, I feel like how you described it is correct as far as now I'm able to go deeper. It almost feels like Pilates kind of energy where I'm able to kind of take it into little subtleties of my energy and my body and my organs and my mind and I still do feel a lot of the sensations a lot of times throughout my practice, but it's just different, I guess.   Britt:  I feel like it is more balanced and grounded and just integrated more, but yeah, I feel like sometimes I'll be surprised for sure, because the creas and the meditations are so different, so sometimes, I can get into a new practice and experience something that felt similar to when I first started or maybe entirely different, but equally kind of as intense or strong. So, it's just kind of been a whole journey for me with it all.   Mason:  I'm just fascinated and I really am grateful to you both for indulging me in all these questions I have about Kundalini. I'm really appreciating your answers. I guess, because I'd love for everyone listening as well as myself to just get a real strong footing on where, looking kind of from the outside in, where Kundalini is going and I guess it's been really nice to me feeling the approachability again and having it be less about the name and the shiny thing, which I've spoken to you both about. Everyone on the podcast generally knows I talk a lot about not chasing the shiny thing, but the space between the stars. Again, what's the space between the stars that is the fabric of Kundalini that is the same space that we're all inhabiting?   Mason:  I think what happens so much just in every world, in every clique, in Taoism, in all the yogas that I've been involved in, I used to teach yoga as well, is that experience that you have in the beginning that's like blow-your-head-off transformation. I know it happens in the plant medicine world as well. Quite often, it's like an initiation for you to go beyond the seeking and the identifying and even like when you're holding a space and teaching that that's what it's all about and be very comfortable with the subtle, the sinew that you move into through your energy body and your emotion.   Mason:  I talk about this, because I feel like this is where I got egoically trapped with many things. Subconsciously I was like I wanted to go there, but I was attached to the identity and the extravertedness of a particular practice, so I just appreciate you talking to me about that. It's really supporting me. I don't know if there's anything else you want to say on that.   Britt:  I think there may have ... it was like really a necessity at the time. I was going through a lot of addiction and since then, I've dealt with my mom getting cancer and passing away and a lot of trauma and turmoil that I kind of carried and I feel like it was just a necessity, so that's kind of what I came into it through and for and so yeah, I totally get what you're saying. I think everybody just comes onto these different paths for different reasons, but for me, it really was like okay, you're either going to die or go a different direction and so ...   Mason:  What were your addictions?   Britt:  Alcohol and drugs, like a lot of the uppers like cocaine and ecstasy, so yeah, I just always had a lot of energy and I was almost just like addicted to high-energy things, because that's always what my experience was a human, like so much energy and so, Kundalini has really helped me to balance the energy and it's funny, because for Tara, she felt the opposite, like Kundalini helped her to get more energy in her body, because she felt low energy, so we were like on opposite sides of it.   Britt:  But yeah, I think just kind of interesting to hear people's experiences with their different paths of yoga.   Tara:  Yeah, there's this initial like new beginner's high, you know? It's like a new relationship, right? It's like when you have a relationship, it's like a honeymoon phase and then, you enter in at some point, a long-term relationship and it doesn't always look as shiny and fun and that's kind of when your commitment to it is tested, because mine has been completely tested. I went through about a year of I don't even know why I'm doing this. This doesn't even really work, but it does work, that's the thing.   Tara:  My mind was just trying to tell me I didn't need it or this is hard, I have to do this every day and not that I get to do it every day, not that I want to do it every day, because it changes my energy, you enter in hard phases, but really when you're committed to a practice and doing something consistently, it's like the gifts on the other side of all of that turmoil where your ego wants to kind of throw you off the path are immense. I have now since moved through that and it's incredible like the amount of expansiveness I have on the body and my mind.   Tara:  I don't feel as like I'm trudging through life anymore, it's just I want to do something and I can do it. I want to do that thing and I can do it. There's no lag time, but that was something I had to go through and it's a relationship like I fell in love with it again and I think a lot of times, people can go well, it's not getting me really high anymore, so I'm not going to do this, well it's like that's when all the work really begins, though. That's when all the transformation can really happen and you know, I used to test it.   Tara:  I would do okay, I'm not going to meditate for today and I wouldn't and I'd watch my day and I'd be like oh god, this isn't as fun of a day and I would maybe not meditate the next day and I'd be like in a crappy energy and I'd be angry and I'd be reacting to people badly and I'm like oh my god and I would meditate and I would clear out my energy and cleanse the body and I would be high right where I wanted to be again. There's just not an option for me personally to not do it, because of how much it's transformed and how much of a tool it is for me to really keep my compass in the direction that I want to go. It helps me keep my focus, you know?   Britt:  Yeah, kind of like a marriage.   Tara:  It's like a marriage.   Britt:  There's just gifts as you go deeper, but some people opt to get a divorce, because it's not as fun as the honeymoon phase.   Tara:  Yeah.   Mason:  Yeah, yeah. It's hard when you get to that plateau. I kind of empathize, I've been on that plateau so many times and I'm sure you've been there as well and watched so many students get to that point and it's like you know what, I actually can't motivate, well I can't motivate myself. I can't motivate you as student either, just keep on going, just be consistent, because on the other side of this, there's something, there can't be anything external at that point, it seems, to get you over the line.   Mason:  Because you nailed it. With that consistency, when there's seemingly nothing there and there's no oxytocin anymore and you're not having your honeymoon period anymore, there needs to be some deep primordial yearning that just emerges through your consistency and far out, yeah, once you get to the other side, I'm watching Tawney kind of get back there at the moment with her daily meditative practice, which is just like no negotiation on it. Like, I've had a period where kind of like gotten moved out of my daily movement practice just not that I'm ragging on myself.   Mason:  I've really learned not to do that and I've learned other ways that I'm like, I don't become super dysfunctional, but it's been interesting for the first time to watch my body kind of not gummy up necessarily, but I'm just like all right, all right, all right, I kind of notice the lack of freedom here, kind of looking down the barrel myself at the moment of hitting back, I start next week back up with my mentor and back with my daily practice and I'm kind of like looking down the barrel of a plateau myself and looking down the barrel of that requiring to pull on that consistency in order to really go through those depths and really discover a new level of moving beyond the shiny thing and just the shit that is mentally motivating to go there.   Mason:  So, I appreciate you talking about it and I'm looking down the barrel of it and I'm really looking forward to being there again and I'm sure you guys arrived there in your advanced practice. I'm sure you're arriving there all the time as well, right?   Britt:  Yeah.   Tara:  It's interesting, because I feel like this discussion is really the answer to the question of what's the space in between the shiny things and the Kundalini? It's like when the high is over and when you're not super into doing it everyday, but you still do it, because you know you're in the void if you will, it's going to create a deeper yearning within yourself. It's going to create transformation at a deeper level. You're going to have a deep understanding of yourself and the universe and how things are working and a better awareness of what's going on even when you don't want to do it. That's where the work happens and that's where the growth happens.   Tara:  You can grow really fast when you're realizing the high and the relationship of the newlywed, but it's like the depth and the wisdom comes in when you don't want to do the thing and you do it anyway.   Mason:  Absolutely. Always just having these conversations, I go right, take away the terminology, even if you take away the Kundalini terminology, it's just this being there with yourself. It's always so simple, because I ask these questions, I have the diversions as I said earlier. It's my baggage, you know, my version when things get trendy, because of my own susceptibility in the path to fall into a clique and then get into the label.   Mason:  So, I'm always super precious about that and I have that little thing, not as overtly as I maybe used to, but I'm like right, you know, I'm going to make sure I have a little bit of cynicism with me to protect other people that are susceptible, so not falling into the label.   Tara:  Well, are you an Aquarius? You sound like an Aquarius to me.   Mason:  No, I'm a Gemini.   Tara:  A Gemini, okay. I knew there was some [AR 00:29:31] in you, okay.   Mason:  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I can never remember my rising or ... but I really appreciate these conversations. It just helps me get rid a little bit more of the chip I have on my shoulder, because no matter what, there's going to be people externally identified with a particular clique or a label, but it's almost like the plateau in the beginning when you consistently go and you emerge on the other side can be a merging beyond your need to identify mentally with a label and realize you're just doing something innately human that's innately beneficial to humans and always has been.   Mason:  Which I really like, that's sort of what I'm getting out of this conversation. I don't know if that makes sense.   Britt:  Yeah, no, I like that. I kind of struggled with that too and I think for me, I came to the conclusion that I'm not going to not label myself if a label describes what I believe in, because I can also create what I want within the confines of some type of label, it to look however I want it to look if that makes sense. But I feel like to not have a label, when I'm doing something that actually has a label that people can identify, it feels like I'm almost not standing for anything.   Mason:  Absolutely makes sense. There's a beautiful middle ground and as always, it is balancing and it's just walking that middle path, which treats you to be balanced, because it's not great to be overly ... well, it's not functional for me anyway and from what you're saying, to be overly identified in any way and leaning too far on any side of the fence.   Mason:  So, with what you're putting out there into the world, would you say it's purely Kundalini? Are you bringing in other practices? Because I see it's a theme on your website and in talking to you before that you're bringing in a collective of practices and ways of being and as you said, in order to transform yourselves. Like, what else do you feel you're bringing into the fold that you feel has really helped you out and helped your students out?   Britt:  Yeah, so it kind of has really developed into this trifecta. All good things come in threes, right? So, for us, it's really the energy work, which is primarily the Kundalini yoga and the meditation and then, we've found that we're just really also needing a lot of the mindset work, so just practical, mindset tools to really be using day-to-day, moment-to-moment to integrate and really apply the energy work that's happening and then, on the third side of things, we've really seen a lot of benefits from what we now have kind of received as a message to call cosmic sinking.   Britt:  And essentially, what we're doing it we're just using the astrology and we're using the phases and the cycles of the moons and we're syncing up seasonally with our practices, so with the energy work and with the mindset work, we're curating our practices around Mother Earth, around the moons, around the planets and for us, that's just really added a whole other layer to everything we're doing and we really just feel more in sync with ourselves, more grounded and we're just able to understand this human existence a lot more deeply and experience it in a lot more harmony than we were without that kind of piece.   Britt:  So, that was kind of like our missing piece that we've kind of combined those three things together and has really just changed everything for us.   Mason:  I really, really love that you bring the seasonality into it. It quite often is something I've found in myself that I've needed to remedy on my own when I'm doing my energy practices and seemingly what becomes very quickly a cosmic practice, especially when you're meditating and you can just fly off without that gritty connection to the earth and the sea and the seasons. It can somewhat be unhinged and unanchored.   Mason:  So, two questions. Feel free for them to be like snappy answers and understanding that everyone realizes you're talking about huge concepts that you're having to like put down into a couple of sentences, so they'll be understanding of you. In terms of your mindset practices, as that's been an entire pillar, what does that look like and what would you say if you had to describe the fundamentals of that practice or how that comes about for you and your students, and then also I'm curious as to how the summertime there that you're in at the moment is helping to shape the intention of your practices.   Britt:  Yeah, so the mindset work is, there's a lot of different tools that we bring in, but basically, it's just allowing our mind to get behind the energy work and really just consciously shifting our mind to basically change our habits and our ways of thinking, so it's simple things like pivoting where when you may have a natural, habitual thought come in about something, you are conscious enough and you've done the energy work enough so that you're aware of it and you can change that thought and you can do it again and again and again and again until you create a new habit with a specific thing.   Britt:  And just doing that with anything that you need to in your life and just other simple things like gratitude practice and kindness practices, giving back practices. It's really just this conscious mindset and way of thinking and way of crafting your thoughts and your mindset to then create a different reality for yourself essentially.   Mason:  One thing I'll throw my weight behind and I'm really loving you talk about is just that catch it again and again and again and again and again and then, you can maybe make some change. I always appreciate hearing that and it's always a great reminder for me.   Britt:  Yeah, and we've found quickly that if you try to do that without the energy work, it's very, very, very difficult. And it comes with a lot of effort, but when you have the energy work and you're moving the energy in your body and in your mind and then, you pair it with just working on it day to day and kind of fine tuning your mindset, then it's much easier and you're able to kind of move faster and shift quicker and get results that you want with the competition of those two.   Mason:  I love it. And coming into summer, what's the energy looking like? What's coming through for you?   Britt:  Well, we're recording this in Leo season, so within our 528 Academy, we always like syncing up seasonally with the sun energy, but also just like a theme that comes through and by now, what we're feeling like is really coming through is throughout these eclipses that are happening now or they just happened and we kind of have portals opening, a lot of change happen, and with a lot of outer planets that are retrograde, even right now Mercury is retrograde, so there's a lot of introspection really.   Britt:  And so, you have a lot of internal work and it's like pulling us inward even though it's summer time, it's still a very inward time of working on who are you, what do you stand for, why are you here on the planet, and how can you live a higher-caliber existence here on the planet? And so, we're kind of syncing up around that and sort of meditation that we're doing right now as a whole community is around the caliber and increasing caliber and just in terms of outwardly, in the summer time I kind of like to personally just split up my meditation.   Britt:  So, do a little less in the morning and then do some in the morning and I like to do it outside instead of taking a cold shower, running into the ocean, because we live by the beach here, so just switching it up, because summertime feels much more like a free energy and you want to be moving outside and just flowing a little bit more and so, not necessarily being super strict with when things have to be done, but that you can just kind of flow through the day.   Britt:  But yeah, we're excited right now to be working with this caliber energy and really creating a higher-caliber existence here and really getting to know who we are, getting to know who we are and what we're doing here on the planet and through the Kundalini, we're able to really hack into that in a bigger way.   Tara:  Yes.   Mason:  Yeah, so good. Yeah, summertime like ... [inaudible 00:37:52] ... in his hand like ultimate yang, hot energy, energy's just going up. It's like time to ask those big questions, so I really like it. We're in our cuddly little winter right now, getting more introspective and so, that's nice as well. Hey, I'm curious. The cold showers, is that something that's integrated into the Kundalini practice or is that something you're doing on the side?   Britt:  Yeah, it is integrated. Yeah, it's a big part of the lifestyle, the hydrotherapy and ...   Mason:  The hydrotherapy? That's right. I remember stumbling across Yogi Bundgen's hydrotherapy document back in the day and being like god, this dude was bad ass, so I go on.   Britt:  I love that. Yeah, so you know, you're seeing the whim hof and the ice bath and a lot more people doing the cold showers and stuff, but yeah, it's definitely a part of our practice and something that we try to do as much as possible and ...   Tara:  Part of the Kundalini philosophy.   Britt:  Yeah.   Mason:  Yeah, to this day, I've never really checked with my Kundalini mates as to whether the cold showers still is seen as an integration. The one thing I really took away from Kundalini besides consistent breath practice and I took a different style of practice for movement and breath, but I always arrive at the same place. But the cold showers is like ah, you're doing whim hof, no, in whim hof and stuff it's amazing and it's a part of most longevity practices, but I was like yeah, you know what, I got inspired by Yogi Budgen.   Mason:  That's why ... that was my catalyst for going out and seeking out freezing wild waters wherever I went and as well, I think he's got a little bit more of a direct approach in terms of you're working on particular organ systems, correct me if I'm wrong, to what I took away, if it's like winter, my kidneys are cold, I can get hot water really rocking on the kidneys and then, bang get the cold water in there. Then, flood them with blood and then bang, get the hot water straight back on that one side. I found that really useful. Is that kind of the way you would still practice?   Tara:  A little bit, but we would do just full cold.   Britt:  Yeah, but I like that.   Tara:  Yeah.   Britt:  But with the oils, so you can like ... and almond oil or an oil that kind of meshes well with your dosha just using that actually in the shower with the cold water.   Mason:  Like on your skin when you have the cold shower?   Britt:  Yeah, so specifically like you're supposed to cover the genital areas and then it's kind of like the arms and the legs you use the oil with to just kind of like nourish the skin as you're doing the cold shower.   Mason:  That makes sense, that's nice, okay, I'll incorporate that. I'm an oil guy myself. My hair, my skin loves it.   Tara:  If you think about it, it's just another thing back in the day, though, we didn't have cold showers, we'd probably float in rivers and stuff, so just going back, thinking back with the earth and how if we were living outside, what we would be doing.   Mason:  I'm with you. I've still resisted buying a chest freezer and having a cold bath like here at my house and I don't really have cold showers very much. As you said, I prefer if I can find it in nature, that's always when I kind of like the relevance starts coming back. I get the cold shower thing as well, because we are living indoors and all that, but I appreciate you saying that, because next time I go and do like a whim hoffy thing, there's a woman here that does them in our snowy mountains, the good old get out there into the icy river and do the plunging in there.   Mason:  I think that's where I'm feeling the call to get to next to do my ice plunging upgrade.   Britt:  That sounds amazing.   Mason:  Hey, I think we should fly this Kundalini spacecraft and let you get on with your day. I really appreciate you, especially like I flew in from a lot of directions. It was like a personal therapy session for me with Kundalini and so, I really appreciate you taking the time and answering with such efficacy as well.   Tara:  Yeah, of course.   Britt:  Of course. I loved your questions and that was awesome. Thank you so much for having us.   Mason:  Absolute pleasure, so would elevatetheglobe.com be the best place for people to start out?   Britt:  Yeah. Elevatetheglobe.com and we're elevatetheglobe on Instagram. We have a five-day fun challenge where we share a lot about our lifestyle and yeah, everything's over there.   Mason:  Programs, retreats, your podcast The Elevator, like on iTunes as well. Awesome, okay, big love to both of you. Appreciate you.   Britt:  Yes, so much love.   Tara:  Thank you, Mason.   Britt:  Thank you.   Mason:  Catch you next time.   Britt:  Okay, bye, bye.

  Transcription (was completed by automated process. Please ignore any speech-to-text errors) [00:00:00] Well, hi, everybody. This is an example. And I'm really excited to be on the phone with Beatty Carmichael today for our next session, I guess I was calling you Beatty. Is this a massive grabber and the creator of Agent Dominator, one of the top marketing expert in the real estate field. I'm super excited today, Beatty, because I believe we're going to be discussing the topic of financial stewardship.   [00:00:26] Yes. So this is gonna be part of our radical faith series, which means as if you're a real estate agent listening to this, we're not going to talk anything about real estate. We're gonna talk about stepping out by faith on the lord, on his word. So if that offends you, you don't like that. Just go turn off. Otherwise, you will get a lot out of today's call. I'm real excited about today. This is actually the session, Penny, and the next one. So today we're going to talk about tides and the next one we'll talk about offerings, because how people treat their money is a huge indicator of how much trust they place in God and in his word.   [00:01:06] So it's going to be a real, real fun time today. Paulson.   [00:01:11] All right. So I guess I called the meeting, so I'll get it started. Does that work?   [00:01:15] Oh, great.   [00:01:17] Okay. And so let me just do a quick review on faith and kind of where we've come from. Our come to this point so that we can then usher in what we're gonna talk about today. So Hebrews Eleven One says that faith is the assurance of things that are hoped for and the conviction of things not seen. Now, just a brief reminder, the things that are hoped for. That's a biblical hope for not a natural hope for. Naturally, we say I hope it doesn't rain, but it may rain or not in the biblical sense. What you hope for is when God has given you a promise and you hope for the fulfillment of the promise as a confident assurance. So that's why faith is the confident assurance of those things hoped for. But the most important part about this first. For what we're going to talk about moving forward is it's the conviction of things not seen. If we look over at Romans 10, 17, then it tells us where this faith comes from. How do we have this confident assurance? ROMANS 10 17 says faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of Christ or the rama of Christ, the Greek word ream of which means in our very loose definition in the series. It's kind of it's God's message specifically for you. OK. Then we look at Hebrew, ze love and sex.   [00:02:38] And this tells us that without faith as it is, it is impossible to please him. So what we start to see is that faith, you can have this confident assurance because the Lord Jesus tells you you can't. The Lord Jesus gives you a truth or a promise. We don't see it, but we act by it. Because if we don't act by it, if we without faith, is it impossible to please the Lord? Ultimately, we're going to kind of build into on a later session that faith is really seeing things from God's perspective. So then we have no passage we talked about in the series. James 217. And it says that even so, faith, if it has no works, is dead, been by itself. So what we find is kind of this this conundrum that a lot of people struggle with. I thought faith is believing, but you say it has to have works. James says, I'll show I'll show you my faith by my works. And so what this shows us is that when we see from God's perspective, we do the things that God does. If we say we see from his perspective and we don't do the things he does, then we really don't see from his perspective. We think we do. But really, we're seeing from our perspective, because this is kind of makes sense spending.   [00:04:02] Ok, so then we find that faith can not exist by itself. This is the key. Faith is always accompanied by works. And so one of the things we're going to talk about is how we handle our money, because that's part of our works. And it exhibits what our faith really is. And just a little simple definition that we've developed along the way is faith is acting under clearly defined will of God as revealed to his word. That's in the form of a promise or a direction. And one other part of that faith, that faith is usually stepping out in such a way that failure is certain unless God intervenes according to his word. If failure is not certain, if there is no personal risk, it's not faith. Does that make sense into the room to do that?   [00:04:59] Wah, wah, wah, wah. Okay. Challenge.   [00:05:05] Yeah, it is. It's a huge challenge, but it is exciting. You know, I want to do a whole whole session on on healings, okay? Because that's kind of stepping out in faith and you're nervous and you hope guy's gonna others first thing go down about to ask him to. Okay. But, you know, that's just a little painful thing.   [00:05:28] Let's shift into financial stewardship. And one last conclusion. I want an interest for this quick review. One last conclusion is faith is actually nothing but a choice if we really look at it in terms of what it is. It's a choice to act on what God's word says and therefore it's an act of the will. Okay. Now, I don't want to. I'm not making a one to one connection. Faith is not. You can't will yourself to have faith. But ultimately, our works are done, are exhibited by the choice we make based on the faith we have. Okay. We can choose to act on what God has told us or we can choose not to act. And the choice is usually based on where we look. If we keep our eyes focused on the Lord, we choose to act in that direction. If we take our eyes off the Lord and put him on the natural circumstances, then it changes our actions. And just like Peter walking on the water in one way, you get a miracle, in the other way you get consequence. So with that said, the Bible talks a lot about money and it talks about ties and offerings. And and there's kind of a misnomer that comes out a lot of times. You've heard, I'm sure, Penny, that we're we live under grace and not under law.   [00:06:58] Right. Okay.   [00:07:00] The question is. Is tithing part of the law? What do you think?   [00:07:08] I do believe it was part of the original law. Yes.   [00:07:12] Ok. All right. So now we have where the conundrum is, should we ties? Do we have two ties or is that part of the law that we're no longer under? OK. Do you remember when the law came?   [00:07:28] Oh, man, I wonder why the first or Bamberg, huh?   [00:07:33] And let's talk about the person through whom it came. Do you remember the person through whom the law was given?   [00:07:42] Oh, I know.   [00:07:44] Yeah. So Moses was the one who received the law. OK. Now, when we use the word law, there's actually several laws are going on.   [00:07:54] Romans Seven says that God's laws are spiritual and therefore flesh cannot fulfill them. And so we have Paul talking about spiritual laws that still apply today. Those are different from the law that we're no longer under. The law that we're no longer under is what is commonly termed as the Mosaic Law, because they came from Moses and the put the Mosaic Law was designed to do as we find out in Romans. Is this designed to expose us to sin? So it it does two things it exposes us to sin. It tells us from physical actions what we must do to be fully righteous and therefore we can never fully, fully be righteous and fulfill all the elements of the law. And therefore, that shows us that we need a savior. Does that kind of make sense? Those little connections.   [00:08:53] And so this is different than the law in Romans 7, where Paul talks about the spiritual that God's laws are spiritual. And then right after seven in eight, he says. Therefore, now we're no longer, you know, under condemnation. And he says to live by the spirit, not by the flesh of mine. On the spirit is life and peace of mind on the flesh of sin and death. So he's making a separation not on the Mosaic Law, but on God's spiritual laws that continue to operate and continue to need to be followed spiritually. So with that said, when we talk about tithing, I think I'm going to show you that tithing is not part of the Mosaic Law. But it is part of God's spiritual laws that we still operate under. So the question really comes up is this if Christ is your all. If you say that your surrender to the Lord, you're following him, the question is, does he really have your all? I remember someone once said, you can tell what a man believes. By looking at his checkbook and looking at his calendar, where he spends his time and where he spends his money, we'll show you what he ultimately believes in. And so does he ultimately have all that you got? And here's the big thing I find. If the Lord doesn't have your money, he doesn't have your heart. Do you remember? I forget exactly where I think it's in, Matthew. But Jesus says where your treasure is there. Will your heart be also.   [00:10:27] Okay. So we have to look and say, where's our heart? And we can look at our heart by looking at our treasure. How do we handle our money? Do we handle it the way Jesus would have handled it? Or do we handle it the way that. The natural man would handle it. So let's look at a couple of things. Do you have your Bible handy?   [00:10:49] I do. Great. Let's go to Genesis 14. Genesis 14. We're going to read three or four verses versus 17 through 20, let me give you the background on this. This is about Abraham.   [00:11:07] Abraham has just gone out and conquered a bunch of kings who stole, who came through and stole Abraham's wives and the wives of his family and his servants and all of his belongings and those of the town in which he was living. So Abraham takes his his male servants. They go and conquer all these kings and bring it back here. So. So let's read this right now. So Genesis 14 versus 17 through 20. Can you read that for us?   [00:11:39] I think after Abraham returned from his victory over Cal Doran and all his allies, the king bottom went out to meet him in the valley. And there. That is the King Valley. And now isn't that the king of Salem and the prince and gardener's pie brought Auburn and bread and wine. Now President Blessed Abraham with this blessing, blessed the Abraham. My God, most high creator of heaven and earth, and blessed the gardener's tie. Who has defeated your enemies for a year when Abraham gave no president. Appoint them all the good that he had recovered.   [00:12:20] Wow. So let's put this in chronological perspective. Did Abraham come before Moses or after Moses?   [00:12:32] Therefore, I believe.   [00:12:34] And do you have an idea? Any idea about how long before or time frame?   [00:12:40] No, honestly, I would be guessing.   [00:12:43] All right. Four hundred and thirty years, roughly. Remember, it was Abraham's grandson. Jacob, who became Israel that then moved to Egypt during the famine. And then they lived there 400 years before God brought them out through Moses and the Exodus. Okay. So what we have is. Abraham this is before he became Abraham. Abraham. Four hundred and thirty years before the Mosaic Law. Gives a tenth of all that he has to the priest of God most high. In other words, if we were to use today's terms, he gives a tenth to the Lord.   [00:13:33] All right, so let me see if this makes sense. Malcolm is a deck king of Salem. He's a priest of God most high. They come and have a worship ceremony with food and wine and a broom takes a tenth of all that the Lord has given him and gives it to milk Hassidic. So do you see this ties concert going on right now? OK.   [00:13:57] So this ties. Is long before the Mosaic Law. Let's look at another passage, Genesis 28, verse 22. And as you turn there and and almost read it. So this now is talking about Jacob. OK, so you have just to put this in perspective, you have Abraham who becomes Abraham, his son. The promise is Isaac and Isaac, son of the promise is Jacob. Okay, so this is now Abrams grandson and Jacob. God changes Jacob's name to Israel. Israel has 12 sons and this is now the 12 tribes of Israel. OK, so this is kind of chronology of what's going on. So read Genesis 28, verse 22.   [00:14:53] Jacob thinking on this memorial pillar former will become a prophet worshipping God. And I will present a bomb or oracle.   [00:15:04] Wow. Here we have a tenth again. Did God ever tell them? Here's my law you had to give a tenth or do you think God may have somehow implanted it in his soul or somehow communicate? I mean, DDC. They're both giving a tenth. The question is why? Okay, so now let's turn to Leviticus. Leviticus is more of the Mosaic Law.   [00:15:34] So now what we have is we have a we have a convergence of laws, a convergence of spiritual laws that have not been fulfilled in Christ. And we have that converging with the Mosaic Law that has been fulfilled in Christ. And it's hard to separate unless you start to look at it in layers and kind of understand it. So, for example, let me see, the Ten Commandments is not a law given by Moses.   [00:16:05] Given that given by God to Moses, by God through Moses.   [00:16:09] Okay, perfect. So is that part of the Mosaic Law?   [00:16:16] Ok, so you shall only have one got no other gods before me. We no longer have to follow that because we're no longer under law, but under grace, right?   [00:16:27] Correct. Are you sure you're not at all three do not commit adultery. We no longer have to follow that because we're no longer under law, but under grace.   [00:16:36] Right. Is that what we're saying? Do not murder you. Not still. Do not lie. Honor your mother and father. Keep the Sabbath. Holy. Honor the Lord. Your God. Serve him only. Have these been done away with that? We're no longer under because we're under grace. Or are these still valid laws that are spiritual laws that still operate today?   [00:16:59] Well, I absolutely think they are valid spiritual laws and we still operate in a different way.   [00:17:06] Ok, so. They're still valid today, is doing a sacrifice. Every Passover or having a feast of booze during that timeframe. Are those part of the Mosaic Law that Moses gave us?   [00:17:27] Well, are we still to do those two day now?   [00:17:32] Ok, what's the difference then? OK. You say this is rumbling. The difference is the Mosaic Law, our actions we were to do that pointed us to God, but they were not. The spiritual laws that are still active today of which do not commit adultery, I would say is still a spiritual law that God still says that's still valid today. In other words, it's not the law we've been released from or that's been fulfilled from. It's still part of the law. Do not fornicate. Do not commit adultery. Paul's been talking about that all through his epistles.   [00:18:08] And yet Paul's not under law, but under grace. So we can start to see that not everything that are the laws given by Moses are the law that we're no longer under. And that's what we're going to see here in Leviticus. So let's read Leviticus 27 30.   [00:18:28] They were thoroughly. One of the parties on the land, whether grain from the field or fruit from the tree, belongs to the Lord and nothing fell apart. Holy.   [00:18:43] Perfect. Okay. My translation says, does all the time of the land. Your says one tenth of the land. OK, so here we have now the definition of what a tie is. So that one tent is. So we have Abraham and Jacob. Four hundred plus years before the law was given the Mosaic Law giving a tenth. Now we have Moses defining what this is. The same way he defined the other spiritual law as you shall only have one God. You shall keep the Sabbath. Holy shall honor your mother and father. You shall not murder shall not commit. Adultery is not still all these things. Okay, so we have now this definition of a law, the love, the tenth the type. And we find three things about the tide. Number one is it's a tenth part. This is why Abraham gave a tenth to male CASA deck. And while Jacob says to the Lord, I will give a tenth to you because ties as a tenth part, that's 10. That's the actual definition. Hebrew word translate tight. The second thing we find out about this.   [00:19:59] Is if the Lord's. That's what they said. That's all the tie to the land of the sea, to the land or the fruit of the tree is the Lords. So we find that a ties belongs to the Lord.   [00:20:17] And the other thing we find out, it is his sacred instead of apart, in other word, it is wholly.   [00:20:26] When God calls something holy, does that carry of special significance with it? Or is that just a. Just a simple designation?   [00:20:37] I think it has. I think those are pretty weighty significance. If the Lord himself is calling something holy.   [00:20:44] That's right. It is a very weighty, special significance. And when? When the Lord through Moses says the tide is mine, it's holy to me. There is a huge weight of significance on this that we got to understand because most people live in financial bondage because they are violating a spiritual law, the law that Paul talks about in Romans 7, that God's laws are spiritual, not fleshly. All the Mosaic Law was fleshly, but the spiritual laws are still going and this is one of them. So we find that the ties is a tenth part. It belongs to God and it is holy. Just as God is holding. What does that mean? Okay, so now let's talk about tides versus offerings, because on this next session, we'll actually talk about offerings and that's when it gets really exciting. But this is just laying the groundwork. So tide versus offering a tide is what you give to the Lord. By his command.   [00:21:57] Okay, not by Mosaic Law, but by spiritual law. It is what you give to the Lord. By his command. And it is a tenth percent. If you say I'm tithing five percent, you're not. Because the definition of a tide is a tenth part. Okay. So it's a tent that you give back to the Lord by his command. An offering is what you give to the Lord. Over and above what already is designated as holy to the Lord. Okay, so while we can we say, you know, God owns it all.   [00:22:34] Which is true. All that I have is the Lord's, which is true. But there is a difference between that versus. The first tenet belongs to me, says the Lord Almighty. There's something about him claiming that first tenth is his versus the general understanding that all belongs to him. Are you following this so far? And so that which he claims is his is more significant his than that which just generally belongs to him. So when we give an offering is when we give from that part that's been entrusted to us.   [00:23:13] But as. Over and above that part, debt already is claimed by the Lord. So that's the difference between the tide and an offering. And that's where we'll talk next time. So then the question comes up. It's OK if I'm to give a shit of all that I have, do I give net or gross? What do you think?   [00:23:38] We have always personally given on the ground because we feel like it. Like you just said, Beatty, it's all the Lord's anyway. We actually have a saying in our family that, you know, some people will get hung up on. Giving a tenth because they're like, oh, gosh, that's 10 percent. That's a lot. We've always looked at it as we get to keep 90 and he's only asking for 10 percent. I mean, you know, it's kind of those percentages that help keep things in perspective, but we've always tied on the growth.   [00:24:11] Good. And I have to. But let's now back it up scripturally. Okay. Okay. Spaniards don't count. Let's see what God's word says. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's turn to Proverbs 3.   [00:24:26] And we're going to read versus nine and ten Proverbs 3 versus 9 and 10.   [00:24:32] Okay. Honor the Lord with your well and with the best part of everything that you produce. Then he will fill your barns with grain and your that will overflow with good wine.   [00:24:47] And my translation says, Honor the Lord from your wealth in front. The first of all, your produce. The first is the best. Okay. But the first is the best of all your produce. So here's a simple question.   [00:25:03] Let's say you get a paycheck is net all or partial once you are sole? That's right. So.   [00:25:13] So now we have the biblical mandate that we're to give from all that the Lord has given us. So that means that when we tithe, we ties off of gross and not off of net. Okay. Makes sense.   [00:25:28] All right. So. So now let's ask another question. Let's say you own a business, because now it gets kind of complicated. You got all kinds of sources of revenues, all kinds of expenses, all kinds of very thing. How do you manage this when you have a business? I struggle with this for years because I've been in business for myself for many years. And here's what I've concluded. Now, this is my opinion. OK, as opposed to God's word. My opinion is. God blesses us with what's leftover. That makes sense.   [00:26:04] Okay, so after I get all the revenues in, I pay all my expenses of cost of goods, sold my rent and taxes, business taxes and not personal taxes.   [00:26:15] I pay all my employees. Okay. I pay all my lease payments, whatever's left leftover. That now hits my you know, it hits my benefit.   [00:26:28] That is mine and that is from is the portion from which I pay and do my giving in my tithing. So that's just an easy way. Okay.   [00:26:42] And so does this apply to personal expenses? No, because personal expenses are not part of what it took to generate the business revenue. So. So that's a simple designation. So like if you're a realtor, you're listening to this. Okay. You have your MLS fees. You have your broker fees. Okay. You have expenses you spend in marketing and helping fix up clients homes and stuff if you do that. All of those are business expenses in my perspective. They help you generate what the Lord blesses you with. What's leftover and what's what's leftover is what you end up taking off. So that's kind of a real simple opinion of that. So now here comes a good questions. Do you tie during bad times? Have you have you and Brian ever had bad times financially?   [00:27:37] Absolutely. All right.   [00:27:41] So the question is, when you can't pay all your bills, do you still tight?   [00:27:48] Well, this OK, so we're going to I'm going to repeat what you just said. This is personal opinion. I can't necessarily say that I have found this to be backed up in scripture anywhere. But Brian and I personally, when we know. Okay, Lord, we can't afford to pay this and this and this and still tied. Something's gotta give. Clearly, we don't want to default on our mortgage and things like that that need to be paid. So in those moments when we know we cannot give a tenth, we give what we can give because we know that the Lord. And that's just our personal opinion. We know that the Lord is still going to honor that, even though it's not 10 percent, because he's looking at our heart. He obviously doesn't want us to lose our house either.   [00:28:37] So. All right.   [00:28:39] So now I'm going to challenge your perspective. I don't want to ask you that same question again in about 10 minutes. I'll walk you through a few things and then I'd like an honest answer. If you still believe that or if you believe now something different.   [00:28:57] Ok. All right. Good. So this is gonna be fine.   [00:29:02] All right. So I can't pay all my bills.   [00:29:05] I can't pay my mortgage and do the tie and all that stuff. How do I handle the tide? Let's go back to. The first. Of the issues turn back, if you would. Leviticus, 27 30. Okay.   [00:29:21] Ok.   [00:29:23] And read that one more time.   [00:29:28] One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the field or fruit from the tree, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.   [00:29:40] What does it say? Must be set apart is not optional. If you're in tough times.   [00:29:46] Must is a pretty direct word, I wouldn't say that's an optional.   [00:29:51] All right. It must be set apart as holy. It's Holy See, it's strictly optional, you can use it for personal needs if you have a need for it.   [00:30:00] No holy is the Lord.   [00:30:03] Ok. So we have one scripture that says. It must be set aside because it is holy to the Lord, because it belongs to the Lord already. My starting to persuade, you know.   [00:30:17] Ok, so here's the question. Should you take that which is sacred and holy and must be satisfied to God to pay your bills and give it to man?   [00:30:30] According to that picture. No.   [00:30:32] Ok, so now let's look at another answer coming at the same question. What part of what you earn should you give?   [00:30:43] Ok, so let's go back to Proverbs 3 9 and tell me what Proverbs 3 9 says.   [00:30:54] Okay. Three. By noon. Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the very best part of everything we produce.   [00:31:03] All right. So let me ask you, is the very best the first of all, you have or what's left over after you've given man what he wants?   [00:31:13] The very best and the first. Yeah. OK. Off the top. The glass.   [00:31:19] Ok, not the net. What you just said earlier that you gave off a gross, but then you said you actually gave off of that if things got tough.   [00:31:27] That's right.   [00:31:29] All right. So should you give benefits to leftover or from the first before anything else is given?   [00:31:38] Before the first, absolutely, yeah.   [00:31:42] So this is kind of where I was going, and I'm not badgering you. I'm not trying to spank you on this boat. But this is this. This is where a lot of people are. And this is why I said you can look at someone's checkbook and see the priority in the faith they place in the Lord and his promises. Do they act by faith or act by sight? Let me ask you a question. If you give based on what's in your checkbook, but based on other expenses that you have.   [00:32:13] Is that giving by faith or giving by sight?   [00:32:18] If I'm looking at what's in the textbook, I'm giving up on that, that's giving off a fight.   [00:32:24] Okay. So if you make your decision based off of go to pay all these bills and I still want to tithe and so you choose tithing or not based on your bills that state or face.   [00:32:38] That's by say.   [00:32:40] Yeah. All right. And if we go back up to I won't turn there. But Hebrews eleven six, it says without faith it is impossible to please him. You see, so this this this problem that we're running into when we say we, I don't have enough money, so I'm not going to take on this.   [00:32:58] This time that I have no faith.   [00:33:02] It means that ultimately that you're not trusting the Lord. Okay. Yeah. Okay.   [00:33:09] And it also means that you're not pleasing the Lord because you're not trusting him. It also means you're not pleasing him because you're taking holy offering and giving it to Martin. It's all these. We have these spiritual laws that are all playing a part here. OK. Not the Mosaic Law, but the spiritual laws that came long before the Mosaic Law and we don't really understand them. And because of that, we don't really understand the consequences that it brings us. We think what we go through in life financially is just the way it is. But yet we don't realize a lot of times we bring it on ourselves. Peter, walking on the border, I'll keep using this over and over again until I'm blue in the face because it's a perfect example. Same situation, two completely different outcomes simultaneously, based entirely on whether he acted by faith or acted by sight. So let's look at a third answer. OK, so the first answer do you tie during bad times? The first answer is it's wholly. It must be set apart. Second answer is what part of what you earn? Do you tithe from this third answer is whose is it? Okay, so we go back to Leviticus 27 30 again.   [00:34:31] It says that all the tie to the land is the Lord. It belongs to the Lord. Right. So let me ask you a question. I'm going to loan you my car. OK, it's your car. You're using it, but it's mine. Who owns that car? Either. OK, I say I need it back on Monday. And Monday comes around and you have a trip that you want to take. And you now make a choice, do I return the card, Ebadi? That was my agreement. Or do I take the car on a weeklong trip? If you take the car. Did you just steal it from me? Well, OK, so now ownership plays into how do we handle this type? So if you have something of the Lords and you don't return it to him. Isn't that still stealing? OK, so now let's bring this into a natural illustration. So you have a bunch of bills coming due and you're struggling because you don't have enough money to pay all the bills. So you go down to the local convenience store and you rob it and you get four or five hundred dollars out of the cash register and now you have money to pay your bills. Does that honor the Lord?   [00:36:07] No. Okay.   [00:36:09] Well, the Lord bless you and say, well, I understand your heart in the matter that you really want to honor me, but you just tight financially, so I overlook you're stealing from an okay.   [00:36:22] Which they think is worth stealing from man or stealing from God.   [00:36:28] Oh, well, if you still for man, I think you're probably stealing from God as well.   [00:36:34] Ok. But in this light, in this context, what do you think is a worst action to to sin against Manderson, against God? I do.   [00:36:47] Yeah. Okay. So now let's look at Malachi 3. This is the last book in the Bible. He's actually an Italian prophet called Malarkey. That's a joke.   [00:37:01] Malachi. Malachi 3.   [00:37:06] We're going to start. We're going to be versus eight or nine. But let me give you the background. Malachi is written to the Levi's and the priest. Do you know whether it's the role of the Levi? It's in the priest's.   [00:37:20] I don't recall, excellent.   [00:37:22] Ok. So out of the 12 tribes, one tribe are the live vertical tribe. Believe it's their whole role is to serve the Lord. They are the staff of the church. They are the pastors. They are the associate pastors. They're the the people who are employed by the church. Their whole function, their whole livelihood is serving the Lord. Everyone else, they out there, they're out there. And they have business. They have farms. They earn money. And they bring all their ties and their offerings into the Lord Storehouse, which we would call today into the church. OK. They give to the church. They give to ministry and they leave lights. Are the people like the missionaries, the parishes and those people that go out and then use that? Use those funds. And that's how they're supported. You follow me so far.   [00:38:15] Ok. So the leave lights were also under the spiritual law of tithing. And they were supposed to give a tenth of all that they received into the storehouse as well during this period of time. They aren't doing it. So now pick up Malachi 3 versus 8 and 9.   [00:38:40] Just eight and nine. Yes. OK.   [00:38:43] Should people cheat God yet you have cheated me. But you ask, what do you mean? When did we ever cheat you? You have cheated me of the tides and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating on me.   [00:39:02] While you are under a blessing, is that what you said? It does to say, I understand your heart and I know you're trying to do good, but you just don't have enough. And so I'll continue to bless you as that's what he says. No.   [00:39:18] So what do you think it means with the curse? Is that good or bad? Not bad.   [00:39:24] So does that mean if we put it in financial terms? Does that mean financial blessings in abundance or probably financial lack of funding to lack?   [00:39:37] So when we're in lack and we use gods ties to pay, man. We don't get ahead.   [00:39:47] Because God said, I curse you.   [00:39:51] Because you have taken my ties, are you following what Malachi says? Yeah. Yeah.   [00:39:57] Okay. We're going to talk about the next pass. Next part of that, probably next time. So here we have. The third answer. Whose is it and what's the consequence? If we use it wrongly.   [00:40:15] Do you remember? Let's go back. I want to talk really quickly. Holy. Remember when the Lord directed Moses to build the ark, the Ark of the Covenant? Was it holy or was it just normal?   [00:40:33] Holy.   [00:40:34] It was holy. Holy. Right. And placement of the ark is in the holy of holies. And how many people got to go in there?   [00:40:45] The only one. Only one. The priest, right?   [00:40:48] That's right. Yeah. OK.   [00:40:50] So now you remember when David is bringing the ark back and it's on an ox cart and a two tons of the priests are walking beside it and a cart stumbles put at risk the ark falling off the cart. So one of those priests I was walking beside stuck his hand out to protect the ark, to keep it from falling on the ground.   [00:41:13] And then what happened to him? Put it God to. He was killed, right? He was killed instantly. Fly. It's a big question. Why did God kill him?   [00:41:24] That is a good question. You know the answer. I really don't. Because I've struggled with that because it was like he said, he's reaching out for help.   [00:41:35] Yeah, I said he had a good heart. Danny surely God will show grace. But here's what happened. As soon as he struck that guy, dead guy's next word was to David. You treated my holy ark as profane. I told you always, you only carry with poles on the shoulders of the priest and you put it on a cart and you had a man touched my ark never to happen because it is holy. This is what God thinks about when he says holy. It is serious business, as you said earlier. It's very weighty. And so unbeknownst to Dave and unbeknownst to the man who had a good heart, he violated a spiritual law on something God considers holy. That's what's going on here in Malachi. The Levi's were violating the spiritual of what God says is holy. The spiritual law that far predates the Mosaic Law. And because they violate it, they're being coerced. They don't even realize that so much of the current challenges that they're going through right now is because of one thing, they're not tithing. And I want to give you a real interesting story. So my pastor who started our church. He's now pastor emeritus. But when he was pastoring, he had a business man come up to him and say, here's my pastor's name is Frank Parker. And the businessman said, Frank, I need prayer. Would you pray for me? He said, What's up? Said, almost about to lose my business. I'm almost about to go into bankruptcy. He said, All these things are happening. I'm losing accounts, I'm losing money. Nothing's you know, I need prayer. You know, the first thing that Frank asked him.   [00:43:36] What is it? Are you tithing?   [00:43:41] And he says, no, I can't afford a child. Frank said, you can't afford not to tide. And he starts to point out this stuff. And he prays for him and said, Lord, help. Call this guy's bill, this name Bill. Just to put some names to, you know, Lord, as a you bless Bill's business, that you would encourage him to honor you with his ties first and that he would just take care of, you know, something like that. But he instructed Bill that the tide is the first of all, you have not what's leftover. That is holy. It must be set apart for the Lord. And without setting apart for Lord, a lot of his financial problems could be caused by God cursing his business because it's a violation of God's holy spiritual law. So then Frank sees him about a year later.   [00:44:37] I think I have the time frame right and says, Bill, how's business? Oh, it is booming. We are doing more business than we've ever done. We're just making more money and all this stuff. And Frank says, that's fantastic. How, you know. And he says, pray for me some more. I say, I will. Frank said, I will. How's your tithing? You know what Bill said?   [00:45:04] He said he's doing it.   [00:45:06] He said tithing. Do you know how much money that would be, how much money we're making? I can't afford a tie. There'd be too much. So here's Frank's prayer. Lord, please bring his business back down to the level where he can afford to ties. And those are no, no, no, no, I'll tell Ty. I'll drive. Okay. But it kind of gets the point back. A crisis. Sometimes we think we can't afford to ties because we don't have enough. But we don't realize what we're actually doing. Sometimes we have so much we think we can't afford to take because it'd be so much and we don't realize what we're doing. The curse that God will bring upon a nation is the same type of curse God brings upon it. But an individual just the same way that the blessing he'll bring upon a nation is similar to the blessing he'll bring upon an individual. When we follow the Lord and step out by faith and follow his word and honor him, first of all that he gives us.   [00:46:03] He blesses us, whether it's an individual, a family or a nation, would you agree with that?   [00:46:09] Well, we do.   [00:46:11] Ok, so that same thing happens when we withhold those things that belong to him.   [00:46:18] When we act by sight and not by faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. So when we start to pull back from our tithing because we can't afford to. That doesn't please the Lord. It's violating his word and there will be consequences. Those consequences may be financial. They may be in other areas, but there will be a withholding of blessings and therefore the introduction of curses because he will discipline his people to correct them to go the right way. Would you agree with that?   [00:46:58] Well, I do.   [00:47:00] Ok, so now let me ask you the question again. I tell you I was going to ask is, did you try during bad times? I know you gave me your opinion originally. Has your opinion changed or how?   [00:47:10] Oh, well, I absolutely will.   [00:47:14] Ok. So. So here's this kind of wrapping up. You know, this whole thing of financial stewardship, it's really a it's not so much about money. It's about faith. It's about how we see God, how we believe his word and how we choose to obey him, because tithing is a choice. You can either. Obey, which is acting by faith or disobey, which is acting by sight. And this is kind of where I'm saying that living by faith more than anything else is simply a choice, is choosing which one we believe and therefore of which one we act on. Any thoughts on this? Any insights that hit you? Before we wrap up the call.   [00:48:05] Just change of change of perspective and just sort of seeing it all come together from beginning to end. And the promise of blessing. That's the biggest thing, is focusing on the promise of blessing if you're doing it the way the Lord designed. And not living in fear of there not being enough. Because if God says there would be. Then I have to try that faith part.   [00:48:35] Well, the next session, we're going to talk about offerings and I'm share some really cool stories on that, just as testimony to how good the Lord is and how much he can bless when you honor him faithfully by his word. So on. So we'll get there on the next session.   [00:48:56] Sounds great. I look forward to it.   [00:48:58] All right, well, we'll wrap up this call and look forward to the next one.   [00:49:05] I did, too. Thanks so much, Beatty.   [00:49:07] All right.  

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Good morning Horners! Have you ever had one of those days that just didn't go the way you would plan? Well, in episode 51, that's exactly what happened. It started off with a host of Locked On Vikings, Mr. Luke Braun getting together with us to discuss possible ways the Minnesota Vikings could make some cap room to sign their number one pick, Garrett Bradbury. That's when things started to go awry. Just prior to recording, Vikings nation received the word that Bradbury had indeed signed, the next question that came out is, “where did they get the money?” As discussed, it turns out that Eric Kendricks had to “take one for the team” and was given half his salary in the form of the signing bonus, spreading out the rest over the remaining years of his contract. Well, this is good news, because everybody was suspecting that Kyle Rudolph would have to be traded or cut to make the space. There'd been plenty of written speculation leading to that. That won't have to be the case now, and as we heard later in the week, the Vikings have even offered him a substantial extension the Rudolph camp has yet to accept. With that news, everything was going well leading into the broadcast, but I did say things didn't go the way you planned. For some reason, between using Hangouts and YouTube, our guest, Luke Braun's image did not record. We got the typical generic blue person icon. The grumpy old men recorded just fine, so there's plenty to watch and enjoy, along with the audio-only commentary from Luke himself [as if he was a caller]. It was an extremely enlightening show where all things Vikings were discussed, not only including the 2019 draft class, in-depth player backstories leading into training camp, the Gary Kubiak / Kevin Stefanski offense that should utilize plenty of two tight end sets featuring Irv Smith and Kyle Rudolph, the starting O-line, and the miracles created by Rob Brzezinski to get players signed and keep the Minnesota Vikings under the salary cap. Like, subscribe, and ring that damn bell! Then shout SKOL! As always, enjoy the watch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nobody thought life under a Trump administration would be easy, and 2.5 years in, we're feeling the full brunt of the struggle. With two new conservative justices on the Supreme Court, red states around the country are competing with one another to see which one can enact the one draconian abortion law that can result in the end of Roe v Wade, and today, Missouri joined Georgia and Alabama with some doozies. Outside the US, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are fanning the flames of war with Iran, so that's um, concerning. In the meantime, the Democrats in disarray meme is in full swing, as party activists react to the administration's stonewalling the House's oversight requests by screaming for impeachment hearings to begin - while Nancy Pelosi tenuously holds her caucus together against beginning proceedings now. And the field of Democrats running for the 2020 nomination has swelled to 23. MOMocrats Karoli, Aliza Worthington, and Donna Schwartz Mills discuss the political developments of the week from a progressive point of view.

The more times we choose to push on, the stronger that habit will become. ㅤ ... ㅤ Edited by: @benlionelscott Spoken by: Jocko Willink, Elliot Hulse Footage by: Cameron Buchan, Erwan Cloarec, Wave Studios, Kyle Hausmann-Stokes, Charles Alan Whitcher, Filmpac, Nike Music: Really Slow Motion - Infinite Riot ㅤ ... ㅤ The conscious is in control of forming habits. Everytime we are faced with a decision of whether to quit, slow down, and rationalize a reason why that's okay, or keep pressing forward. One of those habits is strengthened. The more times we choose to push on, the stronger that habit will become. It takes time and purposeful effort for these habits to become ingrained. But once a person develops them in the gym, doing something as simple as choosing to keep rowing hard for another minute, they can apply what they have learned to the rest of their lives. They will learn to take the harder path so that they are challenged more. They will learn to put extra effort into daily tasks. Who you are depends entirely on the level of effort that is put into forging yourself into what you desire to be. A lot of people their excuses are, "You know, it's kinda hard to do that." Well it's supposed to be f*cking hard. If growing stronger and building muscle were fucking easy, then there would be no growth, there would be no resistance. There'd be nothing to force you to grow stronger with. And the most important thing, the most important gift that you receive by taking action in the direction of your dreams, is not obtaining your f*cking dream. It's you growing stronger and becoming a stronger version of yourself, through the challenges, through the resistance, and because it's hard. When you're working out and you just wanna die, feel the pain happening in your legs as you rep out one more squat. Cause it'll be all the more pleasurable when you reach the inevitable other end of the spectrum. And you'll look back and say, "Boy, I really went hard. I really went hard on that set. I really went hard in school. I really went hard in my career. I really went hard in life." Go hard. And die hard.

Indian-ishBy Priya Krishna Intro: Welcome to The Cookery by the Book Podcast with Suzy Chase. She's just a home cook in New York City sitting at her dining room table talking to cookbook authors.Priya Krishna: Hi. My name is Priya Krishna, and my cookbook is Indian-ish: Recipes and Antics from a Modern American Family.Suzy Chase: This is not your traditional Indian cookbook. This is a love letter to your trailblazing mom who is depicted as Rosie the Riveter on the cover. When did it hit you to organize this family project?Priya Krishna: Well, the book really wasn't, honestly wasn't my idea. I never thought about doing a cookbook about my family recipes. I'm very much like a utility cookbook kind of person. Then I was approached by a cookbook editor who'd worked on the cookbooks for Lucky Peach where I'd previously worked and my mom had contributed a few recipes. I told her some stories about how amazing and put-together and just accomplished my mother was. She came to me, and she was like, "I'm interested in a cookbook that not only tells this really modern story about what it means to be a working mother, what it means to grow up in a family where your parents are immigrants but also that provides a really accessible point into Indian cuisine." She was like, "I don't think that there's a cookbook like that for young people that people can flip through the recipes and not but intimated by the ingredient lists." That totally is my mom's food. This is the food that she learned to cook when she immigrated here and that she had to cook when she only had 20 minutes to put dinner on the table on a weekend. It all fit together beautifully, and once I started writing the proposal, I realized that there was really something there.Suzy Chase: By the way, we all miss Lucky Peach. Just had to throw that in there.Priya Krishna: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at my collection right now. It was really special.Suzy Chase: They're so expensive on eBay, by the way.Priya Krishna: It's so funny because I feel like that was the founder's vision that the magazines would be collectibles, but maybe not perhaps in this exact way.Suzy Chase: Why do you think there's a myth that Indian food is hard to make?Priya Krishna: I have no idea, to be honest. I don't know where this came from. I think maybe it's because of the spices people get very intimated by, but I don't know. I mean, I suppose that most of our knowledge about Indian cuisine was shaped by the British. The British were some of the first people to codify Indian cuisine for the west. I suppose that they sort of exoticsized it in a way and perhaps made it seem a little bit esoteric, but do you know, it's so funny because I grew up with Indian food as my everyday food. This was the food that we threw together the last minute. It wasn't complicated. Every dish had two or three spices in it, but it's no different than a soup that calls for bay leaf and rosemary and peppercorns, and now, I'm so happy that grocery stores now have these full suites of spices, so you can really get most of the ingredients at your average grocery store.Suzy Chase: Indian-ish was never supposed to be the title of this cookbook, but the title seems so perfect. What other titles were you kicking around?Priya Krishna: Really terrible ones. I remember sitting on this bench at my gym and having this mini brainstorm session. There was one that was like Cool Mom Recipes or Mom and Daughter or Indian Mom. It was just, I had, they were just terrible, terrible ideas, and finally, I just gave up. I slapped Indian-ish on the proposal, and I wrote "better title coming soon" below, and then we went into all of these meetings with publishers, and every single one was like, "My favorite part is the title. If we buy that book, that title needs to stay." It just stuck.Suzy Chase: I love it. You describe your mom's cooking as 60% traditional Indian, 40% Indian plus something else, and mostly vegetarian. Talk a little bit about this.Priya Krishna: Yeah. I mean, so my mom, her mother didn't really care much for cooking. In my mom's age, it was traditional for women to learn how to cook. My mom never learned how to cook, so she arrived in American, and all she really knew was how to make roti. She started watching PBS cooking shows, people like Martin Yan and Jacques Pépin and combined that with her memories of her mother, her grandmother's cooking, the flavors that she loved. She basically was learning to cook while she was in America, while she was having this job as a software programmer for the airline industry that was requiring her to travel around the world. She was learning how to cook as she getting all of these influences. While her memories were rooted in the Indian food she had growing up, she was tasting pesto pasta and pizza and spanakopita for the first time. Obviously, when you're having all those experiences, you can't help but incorporate that into your cooking.Suzy Chase: You kicked off this cookbook with frequently asked questions like why are there no curries in this cookbook and what are your thoughts on peeling things, or the last question is, why should I trust you?Priya Krishna: Yeah. I love a good fake FAQ. Yeah, it's actually inspired by Mindy Kaling. Her very first memoir, Is Everyone Hanging Out Without Me and other questions, she started out with a fake FAQ, and I just thought it was so funny. It was sort of a chance to preempt, it was her chance of preempting haters, and I kind of loved that concept. I started writing what are the questions that I want people to ask so I can shut them down? That was how the fake FAQ was born.Suzy Chase: So why should we trust you?Priya Krishna: The first half of that is my mother who is not only a gifted recipe writer, but just an insanely talented cook. I really do feel like there are cooks who've gotten good because they practice a lot, and there are cooks who are just intuitive in the kitchen. My mom has unbelievable intuitions. This is food that reaches that illusive middle point between accessible and hyper-flavorful and creative. The second thing is I worked really hard at these recipes. They have been tested me, my mom, retested by me. I had like over a hundred recipe testers, all amateur cooks test each and every single one of these recipes, and the ones that didn't get good feedback or nixed, every single recipe was sort of finessed and zhooshed over and over and over again. Whenever I do any kind of project, I feel like I am the person who's going through the fine-tooth comb, so this definitely feels like that, and these recipes feel airtight to me.Suzy Chase: Yeah. You had two whole pages of thanks to your recipe testers in the back. That's-Priya Krishna: That was-Suzy Chase: ... crazy.Priya Krishna: ... one of my favorite parts. Yeah. Yeah.Suzy Chase: I would be remiss if I didn't bring up your dad. Who needs store-bought yogurt when we have the recipe for your dad's yogurt? Describe this.Priya Krishna: We have been eating my dad's yogurt basically for as long as I can remember. My dad has been making it homemade using a culture. He's been perpetuating for over three decades. There is nothing like his yogurt. I think my dad once described it as yogurt that tastes alive. It has this chunkiness, this tanginess. It is just so good. I'm like, my mouth is watering right now thinking about it. The house was never without homemade yogurt. I mean, if you try store-bought yogurt, and you try my dad's, it's not even a comparison.Suzy Chase: Your dad wrote in the cookbook, "My yogurt is fabulous. I have a cup a day. It keeps my system nice and regular. What more could you want?"Priya Krishna: He's a guy of simple taste. He loves his yogurt, and he wants to have a regular system.Suzy Chase: Don't we all?Priya Krishna: I love that line. That essay is one of, another one of my favorite parts of the book is just my dad at his most earnest. It's just, I love it.Suzy Chase: He looks so happy in the pictures.Priya Krishna: Yeah, I love... That also was everyone who are part of the photo shoot. My dad needed no, he needed no direction. He just got on camera and just immediately just knew what to do.Suzy Chase: Speaking of yogurt, talk about the idea of putting yogurt into a sandwich.Priya Krishna: This is a recipe that is very much one of those... I mean, it's like a grilled cheese sandwich, that sort of back pocket recipe that a lot of Indian moms and Indian dads have when there's nothing else in the fridge. The idea is you mix yogurt, once you mix yogurt with cilantro and onion and chilies, you spread it on sourdough bread, and you griddle it. What happens is the yogurt retains its tang but also takes on the flavors of those other things you've mixed in. It becomes thick, like almost like a thick-strained ricotta. Then you griddle it just like a grilled cheese. Then you top it with curry leaves and mustard seeds that have been tempered in oil. This is called bhaji toast, and it's one of the most famous breakfasts in our house. I like think of it as an Indian-ish grilled cheese sandwich, but it's so much better.Suzy Chase: One of the many things I learned from you is something called chonk, which his one of the fundamentals of Indian cuisine. What is chonk, and what do you put it on?Priya Krishna: Chhonk is basically the idea of tempering spices and/or herbs in oil or ghee to bring out their flavors and aromatics and to give texture to a dish. It's something you finish a dish with that you pour over the top. It adds richness. It adds flavor. It's just amazing. To answer your second question, I think a better question's like what can't you put chhonk on? As I've experimented throughout the cookbook the process, I found that chhonk tastes good on pretty much everything. Obviously, I put it on dal, I put it on sabzi, but I also put it on top of salad, like on top of raw vegetables. I'll put it on top of roasted vegetables, noodles, nachos, a steak, like instead of a compound butter, put a chhonk on top. It is sort of just this ingenious Indian cooking technique that has near-universal applicability.Suzy Chase: I heard you say once, "Chhonk is life."Priya Krishna: Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is our life. I mean, it's so funny too because it is something that I totally took for granted when we were growing up. My mom would, it's called chanko, she would chanko the dal, and that meant the dinner was already ready, and I only cared about chhonk. So far as when she was making chhonk, it was almost time to eat, and I'd usually be starving. But then as we got older, I realize chhonk is this, it's really just such a smart idea that once you've flavored a dish, you've got something and you want to add just another layer of interest, you add chhonk. Indian food, especially like dals and stews, it can often have a very homogenous texture, and so you add chhonk so you get a crunch of cumin seed or a chili partway through. It's just very satisfying.Suzy Chase: Last December, you had a recipe in your Indian-ish column in Bon Appétit, which was one of your party tricks: a vegetarian sloppy joe called pav bhaji. I'm probably killing the pronunciation, but I've never seen an open face sandwich quite like this. Can you describe it?Priya Krishna: Sure. It's basically a toasted buttered bun topped with a gravy made of cauliflower, potatoes, peas, and tomatoes. It is just a very classic Indian street food. You'll find it in Bombay. Putting things on buttered buns is very standard practice on the streets of Bombay. Once you put the gravy on, you top it with lime, you top it with onions. It's sort of this beautiful marriage of bright, spicy, hot, tangy flavors. It is just addictive. My aunt Sonia makes absolutely the best pav bhaji I've ever had. Thankfully, I was able to get her recipe.Suzy Chase: It sounds so good.Priya Krishna: It's a great vegetarian entrée, and it's a carb on a carb, which, what more could you ask-Suzy Chase: Hello.Priya Krishna: ... for?Suzy Chase: When making cilantro chutney, what's your moms philosophy about using stems and the leaves?Priya Krishna: She is pro-stems, one, because she is anti-wasting anything, two, because the stems have water that helps get the blades going, and the stems actually have a lot of flavor. Discarding the steps, the stems sometimes have even more flavor than the leaves do. I feel like sometimes people hate the texture of the stems in your mouth, but when you're making cilantro chutney, it's all getting whizzed around in a blender anyway, so... and it makes your job easier. You just dump everything instead of having to pick the leaves off.Suzy Chase: What is one recipe in the cookbook that isn't a riff of something else, one that's uniquely your mom's?Priya Krishna: I would say her bhindi, which I love. It's okra. Okra's a very standard sabzi made in Indian cuisine, and it was one of those special occasion-only dishes that she made. We loved it. I feel like okra has this reputation, it's slimy, it has a weird-Suzy Chase: Yes.Priya Krishna: ... texture, but when my mom cooks or, or when most Indian cook it like a sabzi, they doing something like dry-frying it a bit. You're just cooking it on really, really high heat with oil. It chars and crisps. It loses all of that sliminess, and it gets coated with these lovely caramelized onions and seasoned with ajwain, which sort of tastes like earth and oregano. It is just so delicious. That is one of those recipes that is a total classic and we did not want to mess with at all.Suzy Chase: Immigrants come to this country and can't find ingredients they're looking for, so they find substitutes and beautiful discoveries like your mom's saag paneer, which I made over the weekend. Talk about the idea to replace paneer with feta.Priya Krishna: When my mom came here, she... You can make paneer, but it takes a little bit of time, so she was always looking for substitutes. She found mozzarella. She found tofu. Then my family went to Greece, and my mom had Greek salads, which had those huge hunks of feta, and she just loved that briny, salty taste. We... Spanakopita, which has spinach and feta, and she thought spinach and feta are sort of a match made in heaven, so she tried making her regular saag, and then instead of putting paneer or tofu or any other substitutes, she tried putting big cubes of feta. The feta not only salts the dish, but it just adds this totally other layer that you're not expecting. I was so skeptical when I first tried it, but it got to the point where I like saag paneer, but I just adore saag feta. I dream about it. It is just so addictive.Suzy Chase: I've never drizzled lime juice over spinach. Is that the usual ingredient in saag paneer, or did your mom do that?Priya Krishna: We just are a family that loves acid. I think that a lot of Indian dishes lack that bright acid component, and they just feel a little too, don't want to say heavy, but just a little too rich in terms of the spicing component. I'm not sure what's traditional or not traditional, but we tend to go pretty heavy on the lime.Suzy Chase: I also made your recipe for chickpea and tomato stew on page 153, what makes this a shortcut recipe?Priya Krishna: Cholay traditionally is just made from dried chickpeas. It takes hours and hours and hours. It's not a quick thing, but I love cholay so much. When I was in college and I was craving my mother's cholay, she developed this recipe that I could make in my teeny, tiny apartment. One winter, she sent me this, and I bought all the ingredients, and I just made this cholay and over and over again. It only takes about 30, 35 minutes to put together. It's a really filling meal, and it sort of just became my go-to. It has all these great tricks to it, like she boiled cholay down to its essential spices, so it's got all of the complexity of the really standout spices of the dish. Then instead of waiting for the chickpeas to thicken, which takes hours, she mixes in yogurt, which naturally adds that thick, luscious element that you get from chickpeas that have been cooking for a really long time, and she uses a can of chickpeas, which works totally fine in this recipe, and who has time to stare at a pot for hours as chickpeas cook.Suzy Chase: Cholay is life. That's my new saying. I also made Anvita's dump cake on page 207 and-Priya Krishna: I'm so glad you made that.Suzy Chase: You wrote, it made me laugh, you wrote in the book, "You're probably wondering why in this book of pseudo Indian foods is there a recipe for 1940s-era American dessert, and who the heck is Anvita?" Talk a little bit about this dish.Priya Krishna: This dish is so near and dear to my heart. I knew the minute I signed the book proposal that I needed this recipe. My aunt, Anvita, she's my mom's cousin, she, when you used to visit her in Michigan, this was the dessert that she would make all the time. It was taught to her by another family member as something that was really quick that served a crowd that didn't require dirtying up more than one pan. You could use pre-made cake mix. It's so funny. I don't love nuts in my dessert. I don't love that artificial-tasting pie filling, but somehow, in this recipe, all of these things work so nicely and served with a scoop of vanilla, it is just perfect.Suzy Chase: I couldn't find canned cherry pie filling so I used blueberry, but it was still really, really good.Priya Krishna: Yeah. I mean, I imagine with any berry filling, that would taste great.Suzy Chase: Now for my segment called My Last Meal. What would you have for your last supper?Priya Krishna: I would probably have a first course of dosa, and the dosa would have on the side probably all of my mom's greatest-hit sabzis like her sweet and sour squash or her paneer, her saag feta. There'll probably be a course or roti pizza, which is in the book. Then after that, I think it would just be noodles of the world. There'd have to be an Indian course, but then I just want noodles. I want a Cacio e Pepe. I want a khao soi with those thick noodles. I want soba. I want some ravioli. I just want carbs. Basically, the theme of this meal is carbs in many forms: dosa, followed by to roti pizza, followed by noodles.Suzy Chase: Where can we find you on the web and social media?Priya Krishna: Well, so my website is priyakrishna.me, but the easy, best way to find me is on Instagram or Twitter, and I'm @pkgourmet, P-K-G-O-U-R-M-E-T. Suzy Chase: This has been so much fun, Priya. Thanks for coming on Cookery by the Book Podcast.Priya Krishna: Of course. Thanks for having me. It was great.Outro: Follow Suzy Chase on Instagram @cookerybythebook and subscribe at cookerybythebook.com or in Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening to Cookery by the Book Podcast, the only podcast devoted to cookbooks since 2015.

You're listening to a right ol' winner. There'd be a smiley face emoji here now if this darn thing would allow it. 

I’m sharing observations from my trip to Boston. Notes on shadow work, manifesting, parking angels, and an expanded awareness of the stranger angels phenomenon. MENTIONED ON THE SHOW E:79 - The Passenger E:61 - Parking Angels HOST LINKS - SLADE ROBERSON Slade's Books & Courses Get an intuitive reading with Slade Automatic Intuition FACEBOOK GROUP Shift Your Spirits Community BECOME A PATRON https://www.patreon.com/shiftyourspirits Edit your pledge on Patreon TRANSCRIPT I travelled to Boston, Massachusetts, last week with my friend Rob, who you may remember is also one of the people I travelled to New Orleans with last month. We were joking, while in Boston, that we were living The Passenger Part 2, the sequel to Episode #79, the podcast where I shared some of my adventures and spiritual observations while travelling in New Orleans. We were laughing about the fact that sequels are often really disappointing attempts to resurrect some memes or themes that were successful in the original. We were laughing about it because the point of comparison between these two trips is really unfair. There's no way that this, as a sequel, would be satisfying to that other trip. This trip was different from the New Orleans trip for a lot of reasons. There was a large group of people coming from all over to go to New Orleans to celebrate a birthday party for a friend that we all had in common. Of course, it was New Orleans so there was the expectation of a certain level of party and debauchery, etc. This trip was just the two of us. It was just Rob and I. The tone was extremely different. The quest was entirely focused and we were dealing with some darker emotions on this trip. Just to give you a little bit of backstory without going into his privacy too much. Rob's sister passed away a couple of years ago in New Hampshire. After the funeral, there was a storage facility with some of her personal effects and belongings that had been left behind, that still needed to be gone through and processed and distributed to people within the family. He'd been dreading, obviously, going back up there, taking a trip just to go through those boxes, clear out the storage facility and ship some things back to his home in Atlanta. He told me, when he first presented the trip to me, that I just kept coming up as someone to accompany him on this journey. He hated to ask his partner to go back up there, after having already gone and done all the funeral stuff once before. He felt like it was a tall order to ask him to go back and be a companion one more time in this last leg of the process. I seemed uniquely qualified as someone who's been friends with him for over 25 years. We are like family and I am someone who deals with stuff, you know, issues of life and death, a lot of vulnerable client conversations in my daily world. So yeah, it made sense to me why I came up as a possible person to accompany him on this. We also wanted to, after accomplishing what we needed to, to have a moment where we could shake some of that energy off and turn to something more hopeful and happy, and just have a good time a couple days in Boston enjoying the city. We've known each other for years. We've travelled together a lot and we travel well together. So I was really looking forward to it. I did feel like I was uniquely equipped to be the passenger again on this trip. I couldn't really imagine anyone else. On paper, maybe it doesn't sound like so much fun but it was a really intensely great experience for both of us. We were travelling on the new moon in Scorpio. That was the day we were going up there. I was very aware of the significance of that. If you haven't heard me talk about my chart before, I'm a Leo with a Scorpio moon and Scorpio ascendant. I have a lot of Scorpio in my chart. I always personally like to unload some of my darker stuff with Scorpio friends. If you have friends who have Scorpio significantly in their chart, there's something about Scorpio energy people. They're able to process a lot of really heavy stuff, whether it's death or sexuality. And they have a capacity to do so without being negatively impacted by it, and also without there being shame involved. If you have any kind of issue that you feel shame around, even if it's the shame of sharing something dark and affecting other people, find yourself a Scorpio, or someone with a Scorpio moon, or it could be any significant placement in their chart. We do have the capacity to do that kind of work. It's shadow work! This trip, whether Rob would ever use that terminology or not, was a shadow work voyage. Sexuality, mortality, very much a part of the link to Scorpio energies, Scorpio new moon. I've heard it expressed that someone who has this kind of energy, or this kind of placements in their chart, is referred to as someone who can see in the dark, and I like that term. I'm someone who can see in the dark. So I was all down to accompany him to the dark and back into the light again. Just a little bit of a note on my update on travel anxiety and sleep issues. It's definitely an anxiety thing. Travelling relinquishes a lot of control in order to work. To be successful you do need to be carried a bit and not trying to control everything. Routines go out the window when you travel. That all makes it difficult for me. I really thrive on having a very routine life, so it can be exhausting for me to be outside of that and to be ungrounded, especially if you don't know how to recognize and allow those magic moments to happen. Now fortunately, I am very hyperaware of my own shortcomings in those areas and also aware of how to make those experiences what they need to be. How to allow them to be what they're meant to be for you, and to step back outside yourself a little bit and observe how it's an opportunity for you to practice differently. To be in the world differently. Literally to wear a different cloak and to move through the world in a new way. The biggest takeaway from this trip for both Rob and I was about the recurring theme that manifesting is not about attracting the right place or the right circumstances, the right details or the right things, but it's about connecting to the right people. Manifesting even a circumstance is often about attracting the right kind of people to assist in that to make it happen. If you manifest and attract the right people to you, and present whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish, often a lot of stuff gets taken care of by itself. Or the people that you attract will take care of multiple steps along your to-do list. That was something that I noticed a lot. We would have a set of things we needed to accomplish. We need to go here and get this. And we need to go to this other place and pick up the key. And after that, we need to figure out where to take this stuff, and can we haul this here. There'd be like a set of five things and sometimes the answer to that was one person that we met along the way, who we would share, We're trying to do this, this and this. And they would often have a simplified route, or a way of condensing a lot of the steps. So I noticed that in manifesting, we weren't manifesting each individual thing. It was all sort of rolled together, and it was all defined by people. Manifesting the right person and presenting your needs to them, they often had solutions that were simply better than anything that you could come up with. Sometimes because they were local to the place and the space that we were working in, they had information and understanding and knowledge about where we were that made it very easy for them to connect dots for us that we would have really struggled to make on our own. Rob is very much a friendly and outgoing person, like I am. We both have the capacity to speak to strangers and to project our personalities a little bit. And we got into a lot of situations where there were people who were unacknowledged in the roles that they were in. Especially like, people working in the airport. You could see that they were very close to being an automaton. They were saying the same thing over and over again. Hundreds of people were just streaming by and Rob talked about the fact that, breaking that for them and simply acknowledging them, and asking them, Hey, how's it going, or whatever. Just seeing them in the moment produced powerful magic. It was like, we weren't just looking to get assistance. We were also giving it. We were in this very conscious dance of interacting with people and giving our energy and creating opportunities for them to give us theirs. It was like everyone was sleepwalking and we were suddenly coming through and waking everyone up for just a moment. And you could see the impact that it has. I think most people who are sad and troubled and struggling in their lives feel a certain amount of invisibility. I do think that just acknowledging someone, making eye contact with them, speaking to them in just a pleasant way, you never know what kind of impact that you might have just had on the trajectory that that person is on. It's so easy for us to not experience that. It's very easy to get on a bus and immediately look at your phone. Or get in an Uber and get on your phone, without talking to the driver. That kind of thing. Of course, I talked a lot about Uber drivers in the first passenger episode, episode #79, so I'm not going to go into a whole lot of Uber stories this time around, but we still had those moments, you know? We still had the guy that was an Uber driver who was looking to develop his real estate business and doing rentals and Rob was able to give him some advice about some tools and platforms he could use to automate certain parts of his business. Just these little things where we were sharing bits of information. And, you know, I was really aware, even to myself, I wasn't so much talking to Rob about stranger angels phenomenon. But I saw how Rob, in the way that he interacted with people, he very much was a stranger angel to a lot of the people he encountered. I could see how the impact that he was making and the energy that he was sharing, some day they could be like, You know what? This guy just got in my car and told me about this cool thing and I started using it and it was awesome. It was just the answer I was looking for. I never saw him again, kind of thing. So I was very aware of this phenomenon, not only of attracting stranger angels to help us on our journey through the small towns of New Hampshire, and trying to navigate where we needed to go. But also the fact that you could be a stranger angel if you were in the mindset. It was kind of like the same switch got thrown. And whether or not you were that for the other person or they were that for you, was kind of secondary. Like it could sort of happen for both of us. It sounds so simple. The kindness of strangers, just to interact with people more. Don't be lost in your cell phone. Like, yeah, yeah, we hear that kind of stuff all the time and I don't think there's anything wrong with information technology and being connected in that way. But I do think it's very powerful. To be present and to look other people in the eyes and make sure that they feel they're seen. Even just for a moment. So, you know, some of the kinds of things that happened was, what started out as a question about where we could drop off donated items. We had some things after we went through the storage facility, we had boxes of things. Bins, nice plastic tubs full of stuff that we wanted to donate. And so we were looking online for Goodwillls and places where we could go and drop off stuff. Places that would be open. Some of them were 25 miles away, they were in neighbouring towns. We didn't really know like, do they have one of those big drop centres, where they have a trailer in the parking lot where you can leave stuff inside it. We didn't have any way of knowing these things. And so there was a small antique junk store kind of place. You know one of those places, it's like kind of antiques, but then it just kind of like this crazy random stuff. It was right across the street from the storage facility. I said, You know what? Let me stop in there and ask them, because they probably know where some dumpsters are that we can throw some stuff away. And they probably are also aware of where we could take things and donate it, and it might save us a trip somewhere out of town. Once I got inside and started talking to the owner of the junk store, I realized really quickly that he actually wanted the stuff. He was willing to go through it himself. So what started out as a frustrating googling situation, just by manifesting this one person, suddenly he took it all off our hands on the spot. We didn't have to go anywhere. We didn't have to go find any of those places. He actually helped us unload the truck right then and there. I realized that we were sort of possibly a windfall to him, to his store. He had all these items, hopefully, among that stuff that he could sell in his store. To him, it was a plus. One man's trash is another man's treasure kind of thing. And there were just a lot of circumstances where things like that happened and it made me really aware every time we started to say, We need to find a certain kind of hotel, or we need to find a certain kind of restaurant, that I started to think of everything in terms of, we need to find people to ask. We need to find the right people to present what we're trying to do. And then they always have great recommendations to make. It's the same as when you go somewhere and you ask someone, Where's somewhere good to eat? People who live somewhere locally will know about places to go that tourists don't necessarily see. And so, you always get a different experience if you can plug into someone who is from that world. It's very different than googling 'restaurants close to me'. So, yeah, the power of acknowledging people. That was really a big part of this trip. The idea of being a stranger angel, and also attracting them to you. That this is a phenomenon of interaction. Of course, I've written about and spoken about stranger angels in more of a paranormal context, but in the moment, we really have no way of knowing who these people are before and after they leave us. It's just a moment in time where they're almost like, a walk-in part in our lives, and we're a walk-in part in theirs. Simply stopping to acknowledge Rob's impulse to connect with other people, we were able to kind of feed off each other's intentional friendliness. We both have this thing in our personality where we use our friendliness and our personality to draw people out. It was really fun to be with someone else who I could perfectly modulate that behaviour and really match in a certain way. There was no resistance there. We were both very much on the same page without having to think about it. Someone that I encountered, I can't remember what the details were, but I complimented someone on her coat or something like that. She shared, in the moment, how insecure she was actually about buying that colour, and how she almost didn't do it, and how, again, even that morning before putting it on, she felt this sense of, Ugh, I shouldn't wear this colour. It's really obnoxious. The fact that I notice it and said to her, That's a really beautiful colour for you to wear, was like a trip to her. Because she apparently had spent so much time thinking the exact same opposite. And so, just there in that moment, sharing that observation, I didn't realize. Maybe it was an intuitive thing. But I didn't consciously pick up on the fact that, Wow, this person's really struggling with her appearance today. That by obeying the impulse to say something really turned her around. She acknowledged that in the moment. She was like, Ohmygod, I can't believe that you knew to do that. There was a guy in the airport who we talked to about his glasses, in what started out as a, Oh, I like your glasses, conversation, ended up being a more in-depth Rob passing on his love of Zenni optical and exposing another person to the ability to afford multiple pairs of glasses styles. So that was another one of those exchanges that started out very innocently. Yeah, I mean, there were so many of these things and I'm sitting here trying to recall them. Unless I'd written them down in the moment with the purpose of tracking them all, it's kind of hard to remember. I just remember having the feeling that I was choosing to be that way in the world. And it's a choice that a lot of people don't make. It's actually easy to not be that way in the world. But there was something so profoundly powerful about knowing that you could do it and seeing the result, over and over again. It was almost like we were playing with this magic that we found. Like we found a magic spell and we're like, Ooo, let's do it again and see what happens, throughout the trip and we're never disappointed. It was really pretty amazing. There was some mastery level parking angels experience that I have to acknowledge. No one was there to witness it but Rob. He was impressed. The parking angels are for real. They are in full effect. Go and listen to that episode, too, about parking angels. I feel like stranger angels and parking angels were the theme. The thing is, is that those concepts became so expansive for me in the world on this trip. It also made me aware of the fact that I AM one, by choosing to be one of these forces in the world. And that you can be the most muggle person in the whole world and if you understand the intention of being a magical person, and interacting with others in that way, it's extremely infectious and it really gets you results. Like, you see the results of doing it and it turns me on to be that way more. Maybe it's because in our normal routine lives we're just sort of seeing the same people all the time, so it's harder to create those experiences. But I'm going to be looking for ways to practice that more in my daily life. And see what stones I'm leaving uncovered. So there was a lot of shadow work on this trip and when we came back out of it, towards the end, there was a lot of light and a lot of beautiful fall colours and walking around Boston. And we were able to flip the energy a little bit and we returned on 11-11, which was auspicious. There's a lot of 11 numerology this month. November 2018. But whenever you're listening to this, because I know some of you are listening from the future and it may not be November 2018 anymore, but whenever you're hearing this, just know you're kind of meant to hear this message right now. It's important for you to know why this month is so vibrationally powerful in terms of numerology. 11 is an awakening number. It's an energetic portal signifying heightened consciousness, awareness. It opens a path to spiritual growth and ascension. There's a lot of energetic shifts happening this month. November 1st. November 10th. November 11th. November 19th. November 28th and November 29th. November 29th is another big one. It's 11:11:11. It's how it reduces numerologically, it's a hard word to say. Some of the themes that I want you to take away from my shadow work this week is about resetting and re-programming, levelling up, increasing your intuition, your perception is changing. There's clarity, there's insight. Very vivid, realistic dreams for those of you who are dreamers may hold important messages. There are some life altering opportunities and events. Exciting possibilities. Increasing déjà vu and signs and serendipities and synchronicities. It's all about that alignment and that flow. Past, present, future all integrating together. There's effortless manifesting and there's an abundance of blessings. And, of course, in the United States, this is thanksgiving time. So I think all of that is connected somehow to gratitude. Doing shadow work, being aware of mortality, death, sexuality, all of that stuff is ultimately kind of comes back around to gratitude. Of being grateful for being in this world, being in a body, and having the experience that we're having, and allowing ourselves to see it as something magical, even when it seems mundane. So, play at being a stranger angel in your world. This month. There's very little difference between playing that role and being that phenomenon. I mean, if you intend to do it for someone else, it's very likely to be effective to the person receiving it. Also, ask people for what you need. Ask people for what you need. People have a natural urge to be heroes. We like to help people. We love to rescue somebody and point them on their way. We love to be the person who delivers a tool or a message or a piece of information that really impacts someone. And when you are carrying that kind of stuff around, there's nothing better than having the opportunity to share it. So give each other that opportunity. Go ask someone to help you. Present to them what you want to accomplish and see how much of it they actually can assist you with.

Even in our times of weakness or crisis, we are called to have compassion on people. We need to find the opportunities to retreat, like Jesus did, in order to have our hearts and minds ready to love people.

ALCOHOL! That's right guys, today we're breaking down...booze. The part it plays in our culture and our relationships, and the truth about how we choose to use it in our lives.

Flagship episode! Listen to me uncomfortably talk about who I am for those who don't know me, in this mini-episode. I also break down what you can look forward to with this little slice of podcast.

This week, an encore presentation of an interview we first brought you earlier this year. John Dean was the star witness of the Watergate investigation — the counsel to President Richard Nixon who famously flipped and became the prosecution’s star witness in the process that helped take down the president. The Russia scandal is far from over, said Dean, but Trump has advantages that Nixon didn’t. “There’s social media, there’s the internet; the news cycles are faster. I think Watergate would have occurred at a much more accelerated speed than the 928 days it took to go from the arrest at the Watergate to the conviction of Haldeman and Ehrlichman and [John] Mitchell, et al.,” Dean told Off Message host Isaac Dovere in our first episode of 2018. “There’s more likelihood [Nixon] might have survived if there’d been a Fox News.” POLITICO's Off Message podcast is hosted by Isaac Dovere and is part of the Panoply network. Zack Stanton is its producer. Theme music by Podington Bear.

Happy Friday Punky Peeps, Angela Bowen here, the host of Punky Power: An Unofficial Punky Brewster Podcast. Look Out Ladies! Mark-Paul Gosselaar (you all know him as Zack Morris) guest stars as Walker, a boy who’s juggling both Punky and Margaux’s affections in S4E19: One Plus Tutor Is Three which aired on May 24, 1988. There'd be no contest if I were him, it’d be Punky every time. Margaux is too high and mighty for him not to mention shallow, plus I think she’d eventually get tired of him and move on to someone else with more net worth since it’s all about money and social status with her. Punky’s cooler and all about bringing the fun times. And you don’t have to have a lot of money for that. In this episode Punky has a crush on her math tutor, who is more interested in Margaux. Join me July 15 for S4E20: The Dilemma which aired on May 25, 1988. In this episode Punky tries to juggle two dates at the same time. Have a great weekend!

When a care package from Admiral Hayes contains a top of the line Federation android, Captain Baxter reassigns Lt. Comdr. Watson to patrol the corridors with security. Will this new android render the crew obsolete or will Lt. Comdr. Watson secure everyone’s jobs by exposing a flourishing drug ring? Improvised August 6th, 2017 from a suggestion by Ron Harvey Jr. via Facebook Edited by Hannah Parsons   Starring: Matt Young as Captain Baxter Chris Rathjen as Comdr. Corbomite Hayes Nick Wagner as Lt. Ch’arles Lorem Sean Kelley as Cmdr. Crick Watson Eli Mandel as Acting Security Chief Rip Stiply Mary Cait Walthall as Zarlene Zonalzon Griffen Eckstein as Lt. Comdr James and Ensign Lacky With Special Guest Brian Holden as Info   This episode is sponsored by Cards Against Humanity.  

Dennis & Sonny hash out the increasing minimum wage debate and abusers of the welfare system with special guest Dennis' Mom! Listen to Mom throw shade on Dennis!! Plus a heated Sonny's Pet Peeve, True or False Headlines, and Questions From My Sack. #MomRules

The Season 10 finale held so many surprises and left us wondering about what is yet to come. Back to face the raven? Pretty solid rumors indicate the return of a certain companion for the Christmas Special. Secret secrets. John Simm has voiced his frustration on the BBC's ability to keep Doctor Who secrets. We don't disagree with him. Missy falls? We discuss the twists and turns of the season finale of Doctor Who.

Vicky, Nolan and Jill have watched a fair share of head-scratchers in their journey through the Disney canon. It's gotten to the point where, when watching a film from a certain era, our hosts of come to expect a few things. So when we popped on THE MOON-SPINNERS from 1964, there were certain expectations in place. There'd probably be some supernatural element, an extended gambling sequence, some slapstick hijinks, maybe some animal cruelty. What we got was a dark mystery that, at times, felt way more Hitchcock than Disney. Stolen treasure, subterfuge, daring windmill escapes, angry cats (big and small), fist fights on boats, drunken lunches - and at the centre of it all, our beloved Hayley Mills, wearing just the cutest pink and blue outfits. The only way our expectations were met was there were definitely some thrown cats and one likely drugged cheetah. It threw us all for loop, but we'll try to make sense of it for you as we always do on We Want The D.

We had hope when we recorded this, and today we are left speechless. This week we talk politics, the pipeline, and other disparaging things, but the world has always been bleak so all we can really do is laugh. We are thrilled to welcome back the fabulous Jasmine Masters, she shares her recent traveling debacle, she tells us what's going on with the youth drag tour, and she weighs in on listener questions! www.thetonysotoshow.com

Have you ever had those days when you just don't think you can keep going? Days when you wonder if you should keep going? We all have those days. In this episode, we talk about what to do when you are having a day (or week) like that.

You can transform... Change your habit and become a butterfly!

Nothing is easy in the world of collegiate athletics. When you're trying to rebuild a program, there will be bumps in the road. The adage, "Mama said there'd be days like this," rings true as Episode 12 of the BVU Wrestling BeaverCast rolls on. Head coach Jeff Breese breaks down the good, the bad and the ugly from the Beavers' 44-0 loss at Coe and the individual performances from the BVU Open. It's been a lesson in humility, but ultimately growth as the Beavers now prepare for a trip to Tennessee on Dec. 19 for the Gator Duals. Updates on how to subscribe to the show will be posted at the landing page for the podcast at BVUBeaverCast.com. SUBSCRIBE TO THE SHOW iTunes | Stitcher | Spreaker | SoundCloud | RSS Contribute And if you're a fan of the extensive and broad-based reach of the shows on the Mat Talk Podcast Network, become a contributor today.. There are various levels of perks for the different levels of patronage. If you like wrestling content -- scratch that -- if you LOVE great wrestling content, consider becoming a contributor. How much you give is solely up to how much you believe it's worth to you. Looking to start a podcast of your own? Get a free month with Libsyn by using the promo code MTO when you sign up. You'll get the remainder of the month from when you sign up as well as the next month free. It'll be enough time to kick the tires and lights some fires. Follow @mattalkonline on Twitter for updates and nuggets of information about the BVU Wrestling BeaverCast and all the other shows that are part of the Mat Talk Podcast Network. You can also check out our network home page at www.mattalkonline.com.

This week Jay sits down with New York Times' Bestselling author, Sloane Crosley. The two cover growing up in suburbia, archeological aspirations, and how an email to friends ended up in The Village Voice. Her new novel, The Clasp, is an exercise in validation and neuroses, parading characters, scenarios, and clever turns so spot on they speak to your soul. Find it here: http://amzn.to/1Xvp1Qh Want more Sloan? http://www.sloanecrosley.com/ Want more Jay? @beardwizard Edited by Jay Buim Produced by Kate Barnett

Jim and Dan talk about Pixelmator for iPhone, Scott Forstall is producing a Broadway musical, Apple Pay is creaming Walmart in the mobile payment war, how to back up your Apple Watch, Facebook begins testing instant articles from news publishers, the American Deluxe Stratocaster HSS Shawbucker, and more.

Longtime listener "Grant" hosts. Money stolen again from hotel room at EPT event, and again Pokerstars handles it poorly. Carbon Poker having cashout issues - time to be worried? Chinamaniac calls in to give his take on the Carbon situation. David "Devilfish" Ulliott dies - but should he be remembered fondly? Borgata Chip Counterfeiter Christian Lusardi sentenced to 5 years, given $1.1 million fine. Barry Shulman lists gaudy Vegas condo for $4.9 million. Pro poker player banned from WSOP due to blackjack card counting, but is there more to the story? Harry Reid wants to kick online poker in the ass on his way out the door. All-in Magazine makes cruel jokes at expense of handicapped final tablist. Disturbed/lonely man shoots himself at M Resort buffet at Las Vegas. Editorial: Casinos are never your friend. Drexel calls in near the end of the show to talk about how he single-handedly caused roulette machines to be removed from Red Rock.

One Bad Inning dooms the Yankees, while the Giants Take Care of Business.

Chris Gore is trying to bring back Film Threat... and we're trying to help! Yes! The former host of DVDuesday's on G4's Attack of the Show is running a Kickstarter to bring things back in style! And he's asked Geekscape for help! There'd be no Geekscape without Film Threat so we're gonna give it to him! Also, Chris and I break down WonderCon and how it's a solid convention and Chris educates us on 'Star Lost', the forgotten TV sci fi gem from the 70s! And when does fandom go to far?!?

In this week's episode we'll learn that despite the monologues, vaginas don't actually have vocal cords; we'll learn that Heath would still rather drink Pastor Manning's coffee than Bill Cosby's; and Lucinda will join us to learn that Matthew's Jesus was way more magical than Mark's.

In 1998 Swatch tried to completely reinvent our concept of time. Swatch Internet Time (or .beat time) would have been a new way to conceive of moments. There'd be no time zones, and also, no hours, minutes, or seconds. PJ talks to Gizmodo's Eric Limer and Swatch Creative Director Carlo Giordanetti about Swatch's plan to create time's version of Esperanto.  Thanks for listening. If you like the show, you can subscribe to us on iTunes. Also, please check out all our previous episodes! If you're curious, you can calculate beat time on Swatch's website here.