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Sometimes the hardest setback becomes the start of a far better life. I speak with Jeff Brown, an international photography business mentor whose path began with dyslexia, school struggles, and a fishing fly business at age 16. Jeff shares how military photography, personal branding, and business skills helped him build a successful creative career. He also opens up about losing everything through a failed pub, rebuilding his mental health, and creating a global photography mentoring business. His story shows how persistence, clear goals, strong branding, and the courage to change direction can create an unstoppable life. Highlights: 00:01:38 - How dyslexia and school struggles shaped Jeff's drive to work for himself. 00:05:58 - The first sale that showed him entrepreneurship was possible. 00:14:50 - Why passion and effort mattered more than early photography skills. 00:35:49 - How branding and marketing helped grow four photography businesses. 00:39:06 - The business failure that forced Jeff to rebuild his life. 01:01:49 - Why clear goals, strong branding, and steady action create growth. About the Guest: Jeff Brown is an International Photography Business Mentor, Best Selling Photography Business Author, Public Speaker and President of The British Institute of Professional Photography. Also working for The International School Photography Conference Team he has delivered sell-out courses and workshops around the world. Jeff works closely with photographers from all niches and photographic backgrounds having a real passion to help them grow their online brand and achieve their goals.          Jeff first dipped his toe into entrepreneurship at the age of 15 while still at school, selling handmade fishing flies to local tackle shops to boost his pocket money. After leaving school at 16 he set up his first full-time venture, a mail-order fishing tackle business. His fishing tackle business came to an end 7 years later, shortly after Jeff enlisted in the Royal Navy where he went on to serve as a military photographer and intelligence analysist.            Following nearly 10 years service he left the armed forces to set up his own photography company, and eighteen months later had a successful six-figure wedding photography company and a commercial photography business, then going on to open a separate school photography business and a Boudoir Makeover studio turning over 1,000 boudoir and model shoots per year.            In 2014 Jeff decided to follow his dreams of owning a country food pub by investing over £120k of his own money into a pub venture, which turned out to be his greatest ever failure, losing his entire investment and racking up £60k of debt in just 12 months while at the same time going through a divorce.           After suffering from depression in 2015, he changed direction again and developed an online photography business mentoring program, making it his mission to help and inspire photographers worldwide to market their businesses better.                                                Part of Jeff's major focus and teachings are in the areas of Goal Setting, Brand Message, Consistency, and Website Content including the new AI and AEO search on Google, and also his favourite social media platform which is LinkedIn. It's essential to have a mindset for success and a clear path to follow. No business can truly succeed without goals, direction, a powerful brand and a positive mindset to achieve.        Jeff has written 4 internationally best-selling photography books and recently published his first travel book – ·      The Photographers Missing Link-edIn ·      The Ambitious Photographer's Journal          ·      Help My Photography Website Needs More Customers        ·      The Photographer's Gratitude & Mindset Journal       ·      Plan Your Ultimate Northumberland 250 Road Trip   He writes for several photography magazines and associations and is also a brand ambassador for OM System (Olympus Cameras), The British Photography Awards, Studio Ninja, The Societies of Photographers, and the UK and US Brand Ambassador for The Shutter Studio App.         Jeff lives in the beautiful scenic county of Northumberland, England. He's a keen traveller having visited over 60 countries so far, as well as being an outdoor enthusiast, motorbiker and loves getting out in nature when ever he can. Ways to connect with Jeff**:** Website: www.thephotographersmentor.comFacebook: www.facebook.com/JeffBrownThePhotographersMentorLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thephotographersmentorAmazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jeff%20Brown/author/B09M76J1XK About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. 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Each week, I talk with people who challenge assumptions, face adversity head-on, and show what's possible when we choose curiosity over fear. Together, we focus on mindset, resilience, and the small shifts that lead to meaningful change. Let's get started. Hi again, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Unstoppable Mindset. You know what's really fun about this podcast is we get to meet all sorts of people who talk about all sorts of different kinds of things, and today we get to talk to a gentleman from England, Jeff Brown, and Jeff, among other things, is an international photography business mentor, best-selling photography business author, he's a public speaker and also the president of the British Public Institute of Photography. I think I said that right. Jeff Brown  01:36 British British Institute of Professional Photography. British Michael Hingson  01:40 Institute of Professional Photography. Got to say it right, but anyway, and and all sorts of other things. He's an adventurous kind of person, as you're going to learn in the course of the day. So, Jeff, I want to welcome you to Unstoppable Mindset, and we're really glad you're here. Jeff Brown  01:55 Thank you. Thanks for having me on. Michael Hingson  01:57 Well, I'm glad to do it, and I have a visitor in the studio today, my cat Stitch, who is monitoring this, and I'm sure that if she has any opinions, she's going to voice them. But we'll see. Stitch is a wonderful kitty. She's almost 16 years old, and we we love having her around. But anyway, so Jeff, why don't we start by you telling us kind of maybe about the early Jeff growing up and some of those things, and we'll go from there. Jeff Brown  02:25 So growing up, so I grew up in the northeast of England, and I was born in 1970. So I'm 55 now, and back in sort of late 70s, early 80s, the northeast of England was a was a bit of a grim place. It was gray. It was there was a lot of poverty. It was mainly coal mining and shipbuilding, and it was the old sort of mentality of you know you go to school, you study hard, you get a job, you stay in the job for for your life, you retire, and then you're dead. That's it. Yeah. So, for some reason, that didn't really, really appeal to me. And I used to love reading. I read loads of books. I was obsessed with books. Got into books from a very early age. Into sort of fantasy type books, Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, and stuff like that. But it was only when I got into maybe probably about the the junior schools I'd gone through the infant school I got to about eight or nine year old that I realized there was something the matter with me in the fact that I'm really struggled with with school I wasn't very good at it years and years later, I found out I was dyslexic, but I couldn't read out aloud. I had real problems with numbers. Numbers seemed to always look the wrong way around to me, and I got an instant dislike of school and an instant dislike of authority. I had I just I couldn't wait to get out of it, but I was quite creative when I got into fishing, I was good at making fishing flies. I got into photography, and that sort of gave me more of a creative mindset. Where I thought, well, I don't want to work for anybody else. I don't want to be told what to do. I want to try and make my own direction. And I decided that I was going to be self-employed or you know start my own business at the age of 14, Michael Hingson  04:23 what did your parents think of your your kind of independent mindset or entrepreneurial mindset? Because you must have voiced it along the way. Jeff Brown  04:31 Well, I did, yeah, and funny enough, you know, I said I had a real dislike of school. I mean, I actually not not overly proud of it, but I was expelled from school at the age of 16, kicked out of school because I got into quite a bit of trouble. I was I was very rebellious. I really disliked it with the passion, and I left school with zero qualifications. So I didn't I didn't pass any exams. I filled every exam that I actually bothered to turn up for, but to. It matters worse. My dad was a college lecturer, and my mum was a teacher. So, so obviously it didn't go down well with with having two parents who were in the education system. But they backed me 100% They were they they could see that I was struggling, but dyslexia wasn't really a thing that was talked about back. Yeah, and yeah, my my dad put forward at the time one and a half 1000 pound to help me get onto the you know get the equipment I needed and the the office space to start my first business. Michael Hingson  05:34 So it was pretty supportive, Jeff Brown  05:36 very supportive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and I think it helped as well that my first business was making fishing flies and tying and exporting fishing flies to fishing businesses around the world. But my dad was keen on fishing as well, so he had he had an attraction to the business. Michael Hingson  05:54 Okay. Well, I know that my wife had lots of relatives in England. A lot of them were from the Cornwall Mosel area, and a lot of them, of course, were very much into fishing. Jeff Brown  06:05 Oh yeah, yeah. I know Cornwall. In fact, I spent a year in Cornwall on on Navy search and rescue, and that would have been 1919 98 I think it was then very beautiful place. Michael Hingson  06:19 I've not been. I'd love to go sometime. We'll have to figure that out. Jeff Brown  06:23 Yeah, it is. It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. Michael Hingson  06:26 So you started this business. So you were basically 15 when you started the the business, which I think is kind of interesting. That's at a young age, and of course, by the time you were 16, as you said, you got expelled from school, which had to not be very very much fun. Jeff Brown  06:44 Yeah, I mean, well, to be honest, so the the starting of the business, I used to I used to go into the fishing tackle shops at weekend myself and one of my friends who who I used to go fishing with, and he was good at making flies. He was called Phil. Obviously, I'm called Jeff, and we decided we were going to create a business called PJ Flies. And one weekend, we we went into one of the local fish and tackle shops, and we were buying some some bits and bobs to make fish and flies with. And the business owner, the owner of the shop, said, "Look, says, look, if you bring me some flies down next week, if they if they if they're any good, I'll buy them off you. So we walked into the shop and took these fishing flies in the following week in a little presentation box. And I remember him individually taking each fly out at a time because he said, "How much how much how much are you going to sell me them for? And I said, "Well, I'll sell them for 10 pence each. So he was taking them out, and I was counting up in my head. And at the time, my pocket money was, I think, was three or four pounds a week, and I came out of that shop with a 10-pound note. So it was double what I was getting paid off my pocket money, and it was such a great feeling. So that was my first ever sort of dip into entrepreneurship, earning money, and and he said, and the last thing he said as I went out the door, he says, if you can if you can make the same amount next week or even double, bring them back and I'll buy them off you. So the following week I went back and made 20 quid. Michael Hingson  08:18 Wow, what goes into making a fly, I'm not a fisherman by by training or anything, so I don't know a lot about fly fishing. Jeff Brown  08:27 Yeah, so it's all feathers and so feathers and furrows, and it's all held onto the hook with with a very fine thread, like what's called a gossamer thread. It takes it takes a while to learn. So I was taught by an old guy who was a really good fisherman, and he he had a caravan on the same caravan site that my parents had that they used to go on holiday on, and because we we we never used to go abroad in those days, all the holidays were spent in England, and that he he saw that I was getting into fishing, and he came and taught me how to how to tie fishing flies, which was great. Michael Hingson  09:06 Yeah, and of course, the whole idea behind the fly is to attract the fish, right? Jeff Brown  09:10 That's right. Yeah, yeah. Michael Hingson  09:13 So that they will, if you will, take the bait. Jeff Brown  09:16 Yeah, yeah, totally. And the funny thing was, I was yeah, I used to love fishing, but I don't need fish, so I would either put you know put them back in the in in the river, or I'd I'd give them away to to members of the family. Michael Hingson  09:30 Wow. Well, and suddenly fortunes changed, and there you were making flies and selling them. Jeff Brown  09:37 That's right. That's right. Michael Hingson  09:39 So how long did you do that? Jeff Brown  09:42 So we we got we got a proper sort of business premises in 1986. So when I was I was 16 year old, and we applied for a grant with the then Prince's Trust, which was run by Prince Charles, who's now King Charles. And we were the youngest people in in the UK to be accepted for a grant. They bent the rules and they give us the grant under the age of 18. So we got the grant at 17 year old, and then shortly after, we were in a business sort of a business community, a big a big workspace with lots of offices with other creative people in, and shortly after the the center had opened, about six months after, the the the manager of the center came up and says, "Well, look, we'd like to we'd like you to make a box of salmon flies, but a really good box of salmon flies, all the best ones, and we'll pay you. And it's going to be a presentation box for a special guest who's coming to officially open the business center in a few months. But we can't tell you who it is. And anyway, it turned out two months later it was it was Prince Charles. Speaker 1  10:59 He Jeff Brown  10:59 came to visit us, and he was presented with a box of fishing flies-the the flies that we tied from. Michael Hingson  11:07 Wow, that was pretty cool. So you got to meet him. Jeff Brown  11:11 So yeah, we got to meet him. He talked about fishing. He talked about fly tying. He said he'd he'd been bought a fly tying kit for Christmas one year from his wife, who would have been Princess Diana, but he couldn't get away from get away from it. It was too. He found it too complicated and too complex. So he says, "I really admire that you you know that you guys can can tie the flies. So so yeah. So it was nice. It was nice to meet him. It was nice to be able to do that presentation box, and we had that business till I was 26 so Michael Hingson  11:45 10 years, Jeff Brown  11:46 nearly 10 years. Yeah. Michael Hingson  11:48 Now, have you met him ever since Jeff Brown  11:52 then? I haven't met him, but I have met other members of the the royal family because I was a my next stage in business, so my next stage in life was to become a a military photographer. I met a few members of the royal family in my capacity as a military photographer. So I went from so one avenue being creative, which was the fishing flies, into sort of another avenue being creative. And the funny thing was, I'd never had any intention of John in the military. None of my family were in the military. My dad had done his national service, and my granddad had served in the in the navy during the Second World War. But just on a whim, one day I happened to be walking past a military careers office, and I thought I'd pop in. I love cooking. I thought, oh look, I'd seen a picture on the window where he could train to be a military chef. Yeah, okay. So I went into enquire about being a chef, joined as an aircraft engineer, and then transferred across to become a military photographer. And funny enough, like I said early on, that I hate authority and I hate being told what to do because that came from a hatred of hatred of schools. Michael Hingson  13:10 A school, right? Jeff Brown  13:11 But I believe that the military was different because people say, "Well, you know, if you if you hate authority and hate being told what to do, why the hell did you go and join the military? But the military was very different in the fact that I put up with the I put up with the authority because the military give you adventure. It wasn't a nine foot nine to five. It wasn't a routine job, you know. So it give and I love excitement. I love adventure. I love the the idea of every day being different. So so I was happy enough to put up with military life, and I did that for nearly nine years. Michael Hingson  13:49 Well, so did you find that the military respected your creativity as you grew at being a photographer, and so you were a photographer, so that you were allowed to, to to be creative and do the things that you wanted to do, or did you find that there was just as much authoritarianism, if you will, and they kept telling you what to Jeff Brown  14:15 do? No, no, they were very good at being creative. Funny, the the military photography branch-it's only a small branch. It's about 80 people in the in the in the navy photography branch. So by comparison to all the other branches of the navy, it's tiny, and it's always also a very sought after branch. So basically, have to wait till somebody retires or somebody, you know, gives up their position that you can actually request, and I just managed to get in at the right time where somebody had left, and I applied, and I got accepted and went on to their training course, and their training course is is quite intense, 26 exams in six months, but. All the people who run it are really passionate photographers, so they're all about developing your own creativity. Yes, there's rules and regulations to follow, but it was very different than other other avenues of the armed forces. And then, you know, your average working day, you were you were given a lot of freedom. You were given a brief for a job, but then quite often you would just go off and design that job the way you wanted, you know. Michael Hingson  15:24 But why did you, since you, I guess you, as you said, joined as an aircraft engineer? Why did you decide to look at photography? What what attracted you to that? Jeff Brown  15:35 Because I didn't. Well, first of all, I didn't realize you could be a military photographer. So it was, and you can't join as a military photographer anyway. It's what's called a sidewards entry branch. You have have to have served three years in a in a another part of the armed forces before you can apply. And to apply to get into the military military photography branch, you have to pretty much do it on your own merit. So you've got to build a portfolio up. You've got to do all the application yourself, and they also look at your. It's not like the way you react to discipline, the way you think on your own two feet, sort of thing. So, funny enough, when I went through the interviews and and they looked at my portfolio, they said that my my work was pretty poor, but they loved the way I thought, and they loved the way I was driven, and would get up early and go out and do stuff. This is, you know, it's the it's the passion and the the willingness to learn. We can teach you all the other stuff, but you you know you you're showing that willingness and and going that extra mile. That's that's what got us in and and got us to be accepted into the into the branch. It wasn't my skills as a photographer because I was that was pretty useless. Pretty new, Michael Hingson  16:49 yeah, Jeff Brown  16:50 yeah. But you know they they developed that. Michael Hingson  16:55 So the the whole idea of going in and learning to cook and being a chef kind of went by the wayside, huh? Jeff Brown  17:00 It did, yes. But I still, I still, I still love cooking to this day, and I was still very passionate about it. And I always had a dream of, you know, one day owning a a pub or running a food pub, Michael Hingson  17:12 right? Well, and you know things happen, but you you clearly are an adventurous sort of person that you even chose to do all of this, and that-that's in of itself, I think, admirable to you know to do that. So you you became a photographer, and so what kind of things did you do during the time you were in the military from a photographic standpoint? Jeff Brown  17:40 So we would do everything. We do everything from portraits of sort of admirals in uniform, official portraits. We do big presentations and awards. We do a lot of PR photography. So we'd be we'd be tasked with with a concept or an idea, or being told something is happening, or we want to promote this, so they might say, right? We've got an aircraft carrier coming into your area. Can you come up with some ideas to to sort of really promote it? Something that look really exciting. It'll encourage people to to join the military because one of the one of the things military photography branch, it's it's about PR. It's trying to get pictures of the military into the into the newspapers in a positive light. So you know, young young men and women go, "Oh, that looks great! I'd love to join, and it serves them an absolute fortune in in in advertising. So so that was that was a lot of the stuff we did, we create concepts and ideas, and quite often the concept and ideas led to having a lot of fun. You know, I'd say like, well, what have I got at my disposal? And then an admiral might say, well, what do you need? I said, well, I need a few helicopters. I need some fast patrol boats. I need some marines on on on ribs lent over these these you know rigid inflatable boats all camouflaged up with their cam cream on and their rifles and they'll be in front of the in front of the the aircraft carrier then we'll have the the helicopters flying in the background and all this was was so basically controlled by us, so we would have headsets on. We'd be talking to the, talking to the the pilots. We'd be directing people, and those shoots probably cost 10s and 10s of 1000s of pounds to to put together. When you think about it, but it was great to see some of the images come out. And in those days, when I first started doing it, we were shooting a lot of the stuff on film, so we didn't have the the the the benefit of seeing the images instantly, as in you know with digital photography. Michael Hingson  19:51 I was going to say much less digitally editing it. It was all on film. Jeff Brown  19:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Michael Hingson  19:56 When did it migrate over to be more digital? Jeff Brown  20:00 So we were still we when I was in training we we were using digital but still preferred you to to do a bit more on the film side of things Michael Hingson  20:08 higher quality Jeff Brown  20:10 yeah and and they also I think for like an archival purposes for the idea of have negatives and hard print Speaker 2  20:18 yeah Jeff Brown  20:19 but then you know towards like the 2004 two you know 2003 2004 Then they were starting to embrace digital fully, and and you know do away with all the the film. Michael Hingson  20:33 Wow! Jeff Brown  20:34 And obviously there is the cost aspect as well. You know because you with film it costs every time you you press the shutter button, you know you can you can take a lot more images. But I suppose it does it does make you a bit more of a lazy photographer. Michael Hingson  20:49 Well, I I suppose in some senses it can. It just depends on how disciplined you are. Well, you seem to be a pretty disciplined kind of person, and so you you worked at that pretty well, and I can. I can appreciate that. So so when did you start doing photography for the military? When did you enroll in the military? Jeff Brown  21:11 So that was 1997 Michael Hingson  21:14 Okay, so you were what 2526 25 Jeff Brown  21:19 Yeah, 2026 Yeah, yeah, 2627 yeah. Michael Hingson  21:23 Well, and the the thing about photography or or any skill like that that is is pretty unique and pretty new for you is that you had to really develop the knack to doing it, but you obviously also had to have a lot of understanding about things like, as you said, PR and all that. I mean, some of that just had to be a little bit more natural, or just you observed so much that you realized the value of it. And as you pointed out, having the the whole photography branch in the military had to be incredibly much less expensive for the military, no matter what you wanted them to do, than them doing PR in other ways because it was all done internally. Yes, yes, you had to have helicopters and military people and all that other stuff, but they didn't have to pay the company to go out and, or didn't have to pay it much to go out and do the photography because you're the company. Jeff Brown  22:29 That's right. That's right. And also, some some of the jobs were required a certain level of vetting that they couldn't bring a company in unless those people were vetted. To you know, like on, I did quite a few photography shoots on nuclear submarines, which you you can't enter a nuclear submarine base unless you're you're vetted to a certain level. Michael Hingson  22:51 Right. Now that brings up a point. So let's let's go back to that. So going into a nuclear submarine base and so on, and and doing photography. What what was the purpose of pictures for that? Since it had to be pretty cleared and must have been somewhat classified. Jeff Brown  23:11 Well, sometimes some of the the shoots on board the submarine would be like award ceremonies. So okay, yeah, you know, people getting medals or achievements, and actually getting a photograph from receiving their award from the captain of the submarine. But then sometimes we would have PR photographs of of the the submarine sailing, and we'd be on speedboats going down the lock, photographing the submarine. Michael Hingson  23:41 But what you were not doing was taking pictures of things that were so classified that they didn't dare show them to the public or whatever. Jeff Brown  23:49 Yes, yes, Michael Hingson  23:50 yeah. Which which makes sense. Speaker 1  23:57 If you enjoy unstoppable mindset and would like to help us continue bringing these conversations to you each week, we've created a way for you to support the show. Your contribution helps us cover production costs and continue sharing stories, insights, and ideas that inspire people to live with purpose and possibility. If supporting the podcast feels right for you, you'll find the link in the show notes. Thank you for being part of the Unstoppable Mindset Community. Michael Hingson  24:30 So you you did that, and so you clearly found a niche to to do and to to work at, and obviously loved it. Jeff Brown  24:43 I do. I mean, it took it took a while to get the confidence. I'm quite an introverted person, so where I love taking photographs, and you know, it's easy to take photographs of things and objects and landscapes and that sort of stuff. It's. It's quite hard when you don't have a lot of confidence and you are quite introverted to start directing people and telling people what to do, especially when you had to direct, you know, entire ships, companies, or groups of 4050, people to do a a group shot at the awards ceremony. So that that was something that took a bit of getting used to and put me out of my comfort zone to to become a bit more sociable and a bit less introverted, and also direct people from behind the camera. Michael Hingson  25:31 So you you became a director, Jeff Brown  25:35 I suppose. Yeah, you do. In some senses, Michael Hingson  25:38 anyway. Jeff Brown  25:38 Yeah, yeah, and from from another point of view, I sudden realized that you know you might not like directing people, or you might be really nervous about speaking to people you've never met before and telling them what to do. But quite often, the people on the other side of the camera are just as nervous as you because they don't like having their photograph taken. They feel awkward, so you know part of your job as a photographer is to put people at ease and make people feel comfortable. Michael Hingson  26:03 Yeah, and I think about it as a public speaker. I keep hearing all the time that one of the top fears that people have is speaking and standing on a stage and speaking. And I and I finally realize that that's because we're conditioning people to think that it's scary, but the fact of the matter is that, and I still believe this to this day, audiences want speakers to succeed. Unless you're just a real jerk, audiences want you to succeed, and I would think that that some of that same level of confidence goes into what you do as a photographer. You are-they want you to succeed, and the people who are nervous about you taking their pictures and so on. Your job, as you point out, is to kind of help make them feel more comfortable about Jeff Brown  26:55 it. Yeah, and and you, you know, on from your point of view, you know, you you want somebody to love the picture? Michael Hingson  27:02 Yeah, Jeff Brown  27:02 you want someone to go, oh wow, you know, like actually take away their their dislike and awkwardness of having a photograph taken, and you know it's it's quite rewarding when you see somebody go, oh wow, I didn't know I could look that good, you know, because you've you've directed them, you've posed them, you've helped them feel more relaxed, and they see themselves in a different because it's it's quite it quite often it's not that somebody always looks awkward or you know they don't take a good picture as people say oh don't take my picture I don't take a good picture you know it's the fact that they've never been directed they've never they've always felt felt uncomfortable and awkward so it comes through in the the final image because they don't look relaxed. They don't look natural. They've got this fake smile. They look uncomfortable. Michael Hingson  27:49 I know. For me, I've I've never worried about that. Of course, being blind my whole life, I never really cared a whole lot about pictures. Yeah. So I love to pick on pictures all the time. So you know, for example, people say that a picture is worth 1000 words, and I just point out, yeah, but it takes a whole lot more memory. So, but but but I I appreciate pictures, and I've learned a lot more about photography and appreciating photography ever since September 11th. And part of that was my guide dog Roselle at the time, who became a real camera ham hound. She loved to be in front of the camera, and there was one time we were on a Larry King show on CNN, and you know his shots are and the photographers and and the and everything on the show is basically front like from the chest up, and and so on, and they take pictures. So one day we were going to be on the show, and they made a a little platform that Roselle, my guide dog, could lie on, and they said, "Okay, put her up on there, and I did, and she laid down, put her head between her paws, and that was it. And the director came like about a minute before the show started, and he said, "Isn't there anything you can do to get her to react more and to be a little bit more involved in the show? And I said, "Are the Klieg lights on yet? And he said, "No. I said, "Just wait till you turn the lights on. Everything will change. The lights came on. She lifted up her head, started blinking her eyes and flashing her eyelashes, smiling and licking her chops, and just having a good old time. She loved the camera. It was so funny. Jeff Brown  29:39 Yeah, I can't get. I can't get my dog to sit. He won't sit in front. He won't sit in front of the camera. He's a working Springer Spaniel. He will not stay still for two minutes. And there's something about it. Every time you look, you pick up the camera. I think he knows that you want to take a picture, and he turns his head away. He looks the opposite direction. Michael Hingson  29:57 Yeah. See, Roselle was exactly the opposite. Knew you wanted to take her picture, and she was going, "Bring it on! She just absolutely loved it. It was so funny, and and and it was it was a blessing. But it it as as we talked about it, as I talked to photographers and other people when we dealt with different interviews and so on, I grew to appreciate the value of pictures and what it was that they were trying to get, and it didn't take any work really to get Roselle to be involved in that. It didn't take a lot of work to get me involved with it, but I gained a greater understanding of it. So I certainly value the fact that there's there's a lot of reasons for taking photographs, although I also like audio input and other things like that that I'm going to see. But still, it's it's great that we have this technology, and nowadays, of course, because it is so digital, it makes it so much easier. Jeff Brown  30:59 It does. I think I think obviously there's you know everybody's using photographer now. Everyone walks around with a camera in their pocket, which is you know effectively a smartphone, and the quality of the images that you can take on a phone are fantastic. You know the you know the the resolution, the color saturation, the the look absolutely amazing. But sometimes I think people forget to stop and appreciate the moment. So everybody is more, you know, getting the picture taken, sticking it onto Instagram, onto Facebook, and also we have all these digital memories. But not many people are printing pictures out and putting them on the walls like we used to in the 80s and 90s. You know, family portraits, and I think that is a big thing that photographers need to be to be sort of reinventing and encouraging people to to enjoy the wall art, personalize the home, have a picture on the wall that brings a smile to your face every time you see it. Because if you take it on your phone, you you enjoy it for a second, and then it becomes a memory, and it goes in. I looked the other day. I've got 14 and a half 1000 pictures on my phone. Yeah. So, and I only ever see them, you know, seconds after I take them and I post them on Facebook, and then maybe a year later when a Facebook memory comes up and reminds me, oh, this is what you were doing this time last year. Michael Hingson  32:20 Yeah. Well. Well, and I understand that, and I, I, I also understand what you're saying about lazy photography because, as you said, you take the picture, you look at it, and it's gone, and you don't necessarily do all you can to make sure that the picture is looking as good as it as it can look, and sometimes we just rely on the automatic zoom and other things like that to make the picture look good. But the bottom line is that ultimately we're in control of it and really should make the picture as good as we can make it. Jeff Brown  32:54 Yeah, I mean that was that was what we were taught in the military right at the very beginning. And as I say, you know, was starting out on on on film cameras. It was get it right in the camera. You know, get it right in the camera. It'll look a lot better, and it'll save you hours of time in the dark room. And then there's a tendency now for photographers to think, "Oh, that'll do. I'll just sort it out in Photoshop afterwards, and which again takes time. And as a photographer, time is money. So yeah, yeah. The better you can get the composition and the and the way a photograph looks in the camera, then the less work you're going to have to do afterwards. Michael Hingson  33:35 Yeah, which makes perfect sense. And so I appreciate that. Well, so you were in the military for 10 years, and what made you retire from the military? And also, what kind of skills did you learn that you then took away from the military? One of them had to be accepting authority a little bit more, but I'm being sarcastic. But still, what what kind of skills and so on did you learn, and and did you take away, and and why did you even leave the military after 10 years? Jeff Brown  34:07 So, so being a military photographer, I was a military photographer, and there was a new a new sort of breed of like a new discipline that was coming into into the into our area into the the photography branch, and it was called IA, which is an intelligence analyst, and they believed that photographers, probably rightly, had a real attention to detail and a keen a keen eye for spotting things, and they were so they recruited intelligence analysts from the photography branch to analyze intelligence imagery, satellite imagery, reconnaissance, and then collate this information with other intelligence services. Like Lacher on I six and JCHQ, so so people on the ground, you know, and and military listening outposts, and so I got sent to work. So I did my intelligence course, and I got sent to work for with the intelligence services for about two and a half years now. While I was while I was doing my job as a military analyst, intelligence analyst, I started getting people coming into my office and saying, "You're a military photographer, aren't you? Yeah. Would you photograph my dog? Can you can you photograph my daughter at her birthday? Do you do weddings? Can you do my my my partner's wedding and stuff like that? So started doing a little bit of stuff on weekends, and then soon realized that there was actually quite a good bit of money being a photographer. So that was it. So that that set me on the path of right. I'm going to get out the military. I'm going to start with my own business. I'm going to go back to being self-employed again, but this time using my skills as a photographer. And yeah, I had good photography skills. I had other skills that the military had sort of drummed into me, which was you know timekeeping, organization, attention to detail, and that would work brilliant with a wedding because with a wedding you've got to organize people, everything's got to be on time. You've you've got to have that attention to detail, so started doing weddings on weekends, and then I left, and now decided to go into partnership with another military photographer who was working at the same the same base as me, and was also from the same the same area, the same the same city. So I left first because he was married with two kids. Alif first to set the business up and get the business bringing in money, and then about six months later, the business was bringing in enough money for him to put his notice in and and come out and and join me full time in the photography business. So and then it just skyrocketed from there. We ended up having four different photography businesses, Michael Hingson  37:03 pretty impressive, huh? Jeff Brown  37:05 It was good, but I think you know a lot of the lot the stuff that we did is when we left the military is you get a resettlement grant to resettle you back into civilian life to to to get you ready to work for other people, but obviously we were going to go self employed, so we we spent this resettlement grant of 7000 pound on marketing and branding training. So I got 7000 Kev got 7000 So we spent spent a lot of our money on understanding how to run a business, understanding what brand was all about and brand concept and and marketing. And it wasn't necessarily our photography skills that helped us succeed. It was the skills of actually understanding how to run a business and how to market our brand, Michael Hingson  37:49 which also goes a little bit back to understanding PR and just as you said, understanding all about business, which is which is pretty cool. Speaker 3  37:57 Yeah. Michael Hingson  37:59 Well, as you as you did that, how easy was it for you to integrate back into society and become disciplined enough to run your own business? Because when you were in the military, you had other people who were making a lot of those decisions, but you had to learn something along the way or figure out something along the way that allowed you to truly run your own business. Jeff Brown  38:22 To be honest, I felt I felt quite excited to be going back to it because, obviously, you know, from sort of 1415, year old, I'd had I'd had my own business, and that that was my first my first ever job. You know, working for myself with fish and fish and tackle business, and I sort of realized early on that yes, I don't have a boss, but ultimately the business is the boss because the business demands from you all the time. It demands how much work you need to put in, and if you don't put the work in, then you don't get the money. But the other good thing about running your own business is you're not on a fixed wage. You know, you have that ability to make a lot more money, without having to be promoted or or impress somebody else, you know. So for some people, it doesn't work. Like my girlfriend always says, she doesn't think she could do what I do because she doesn't like that uncertainty. Of you know, because every business is ups and downs, ups and downs. You have low moments. You have high moments, but that's life in general, isn't it? And I think you've just got to have more high moments than low moments. But yeah, I love it. I don't think I could ever work for anybody else. But a lot of, I think I'm unemployable. I don't think I can. I don't think I could go into a normal job. But a lot of those high Michael Hingson  39:40 moments are also moments that essentially you create. It's your mindset. That's Jeff Brown  39:45 right. Yeah, Michael Hingson  39:46 because you know, like failure. Everybody talks about failure. Well, you know, you're going to experience failure in your life, and I have gotten to the point where I tend to react and say there really is no such thing as failure. Because failure seems to be an absolute-you screwed up, and that's all there is to it. And the reality is, it's not. Failure isn't really the issue. The issue is okay. You made a plan. Something didn't work right. The question really is now: Where do you go from here? How do you fix it? What have you learned from what happened? And I think that's really the issue. Jeff Brown  40:20 That's totally that's totally right, and you know, but I made a a decision back in 2014 So you said, you know, I love cooking, and had the photography businesses, which which were both doing very well. They were both they were all super successful, you know, bringing in the money, and I decided, wouldn't it be nice to buy a really, really beautiful traditional country pub, one with log fires, you know, in the middle of the countryside, maybe a two, 300 year old building, and and run my own pub? So that was that was my idea. So so I found this this beautiful little country pub in Durham, in the northeast of England, and it was like a picture postcard country pub that looked beautiful. It actually had two log fires. It had, I think, it was about 300 year old. It had wooden beams, everything, and so I fell in love with it. I I bought the lease on it. I plowed 120,000 pounds of my own money into it, and within 12 months, I'd lost all that money. I was a further 60,000 pound in debt, and I couldn't see any way out. Because you say, you know, like failure. Sometimes people think failure is that's it, that's the end. They can't see past it, and stupidly, I decided that that was it. I couldn't go on anymore, so I tried to drive my car off a bridge. I was, I was drunk at the time, but you know, luckily I didn't. I just damaged the car. I didn't damage myself. I woke up the next morning feeling utterly disgusted with myself because my daughter at the time would have been seven year old. and I realized I needed to get out the pub, and I needed to change a different direction, which I did. So I ran away, and I came to the countryside where I live now in Northumberland, and moved away from all my family and and my friends, about an hour away from all my family and friends to restart my life again, and I spent probably about six months listening to positivity books and audio books, and and trying to rewind my mindset, and then take a new direction. And that's when I got into the idea of because I was in the middle of the countryside, I could run an online business training photographers in marketing and branding, and you know how to how to promote themselves on the internet, and I could do that with anybody anywhere in the world who was a photographer. So that was my idea, and that's what I went for. And you know, looking back at it, 11 years on from that, it would be 11 years in March when I tried to take my own life, and I thought that was that was the biggest worst failure I'd ever have. It was the best failure I ever had because I've never been as happy. I've never been as stress free. My work takes me all over the world, speaking and meeting photographers. I have an absolutely amazing community. No day is the same because I'm on all different time zones, speaking to different people, and and I just love it. It's stress free, but you know, if I'd stayed at the pub, that wouldn't have been stress free. So, Michael Hingson  43:33 so what happened? That why did the pub fail? Fail, or or why didn't the public pub succeed? And what did you learn from that? Jeff Brown  43:40 So, well, first of all, probably I probably fell in love with the idea of the pub, but I probably didn't do enough research. Now, funny enough, it was in an old mining village, my coal mining village, that was very, very much based around if you weren't born and bred in the area, you didn't fit in, so first of all, I think fit into the village very well. But the profitability in the pub trade is is very hard, especially if the pub, if the building is owned by a brewery and you've got to buy your beer direct from the brewery, it reduces the profit margins. And I just think everything that could go wrong in that 12 month did go wrong. We had staff stealing offers. We had a couple of sabotages to the pub, a couple of really big bills that wasn't expected, equipment going wrong and equipment failing, and yeah, the costs just spiraled out of control. Michael Hingson  44:38 Just a lot of lack of research, Jeff Brown  44:41 yeah, yeah, yeah, Michael Hingson  44:42 and I would suspect that you would say that because of that, and because you realized all that, you learned. Jeff Brown  44:50 I learned, yeah, yeah, I, I totally learned, and I think you know that I, I, I fell in love with the idea of it. I fell in love with the building, and probably, probably didn't research it. And also, you know, yeah, I was great at marketing. I was great at business, but I'd never run a pub before. And yeah, it was probably a bit of a. I'd probably sort of trying to run before I could walk. In that, you know, might have been better off going and working for somebody else and being a manager or working in a bar. And you know, the the day I opened the pub, I'd never even pulled a pint before. Never stood behind a bar and served served a drink. So, Michael Hingson  45:28 yeah, and that's that's an art in of itself. Jeff Brown  45:32 Yeah, yeah, that's right. Michael Hingson  45:34 I used to when I lived in New Jersey and worked in New York. I used to go to a restaurant called Virgil's Real Barbecue, best barbecue I think in the country, and so if you're ever in New York, it's Virgil's. Anyway, they had opened a facility in Las Vegas. Also, they opened a restaurant in Las Vegas, and so last week when I was at the Consumer Electronics Show, I went there, and one of the things I had heard early on when they I heard about them opening the restaurant several years ago, was that the people who opened the restaurant before they could open it had to go spend six months in New York at the original Virgil's, learning everything about it, so that they could make this restaurant and the food be the same as as what they experienced, because they wanted Virgil's to be the same in both places, and they did. And I can say that, from my perspective, at least, they did a really great job, and they learned from that, which was exactly what you wanted for the people in Las Vegas to do, and they survived the pandemic, and it's still open. So when you're in Las Vegas next time, Jeff Brown  46:47 yeah, I'm there next week. So yeah, I'll have to Virgil's. Yeah, I'll check it out. Michael Hingson  46:52 Virgil's real barbecue, best ribs in the country. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it, everybody. Well, that's cool. So. So, do you believe that things happen for a reason? I mean, a lot has happened, and of course, the pub closed and and all that. Do you believe that things happen for a reason? Jeff Brown  47:13 I do, and and you know now I I think one of the things as well when you get to that point where you you don't believe there's there's there's any way out, and and you know you you get that alone, you get depressed, but you you feel that you've got to take your own life. You are right at the very bottom. I think for you to go to the very bottom and then come back up again, it changes your mindset about stuff. And I I never get stressed. I am a very, very chilled out person. If something goes wrong now or something fails, I just go. Well, it's happened for a reason. Maybe something better is around the corner. Maybe it's the universe trying to direct me in a in a different path. You know, and and I think the less you live, the more you live by that mindset, the more it opens you up to other opportunities. Yeah, keeps you living it. You know, you're not living in the past; you're living in the future. It it was for the first six months coming up here 11 years ago. It was hard to move away from that failure in my mind. I kept playing it over and over again, but you know, playing it over and over again wasn't going to make that failure with the pub any different. The outcome had happened, and what I needed to do was focus on the future, get back together and get my myself back together, both mentally and also establish a new business and a new way of life. And that in itself was a a massive learning curve, but for the better. Michael Hingson  48:44 Well, and and the reality is, it it certainly has made a big difference in your life. And the fact is that, again, it goes back to failure isn't the end all, and failure is is probably the wrong way to put it. It's a learning experience, and I think that it's so important to do that. I am like you. I refuse to feel stress. I've been through too many experiences in my life that that caused stress, and I've learned that there are always ways to to deal with things, and so it's important to not let the stress overwhelm you. I wrote a book that was published in 2024 called "Live Like a Guide Dog: True Stories from a Blind Man and His Dogs About Being Brave, Overcoming Adversity, and Moving Forward in Faith. And moving forward in faith is part of it, but the whole issue is we focus on our lives on so many things. We think we need to control everything, and the reality is, we only control probably much less than 10% of all the things that we experience, but we worry about 100% of everything, and that doesn't help. And so, it builds up so much fear and causes so much stress. And if we would just focus on the things over which we really can control, we would be much better off. Jeff Brown  49:59 Saying that, you know, after leaving the pub, because my mindset was very, very delicate, and I had to build my my mental health back up, I decided to stop watching the news. So I used to used to get up and go downstairs and put the news on TV and have my morning coffee and and listen to all this negativity, all this drama, every single morning, which I've done for probably 40, you know, well, at least 30-five years, and and that was it. I've never watched the news since. I don't watch any live TV. I don't watch the news. People say, "Well, how do you manage? So, well, somebody will tell me something, but most of the time, half the stuff that people get worried about never actually happens. And if it does happen, quite often there's nothing you can do about it because it's the other side of the world. Michael Hingson  50:53 Well, even if it's in England, you don't have control over it, so why worry about it? Now, I watch I watch the news, but I do it because I want to get the information. But I won't worry about it. And there's so much that happens. But I feel that that at least there is information to be gained by watching the news. But what I had to learn somewhere along the line is don't take it personally because you don't have any control over it. And there are so many things that that go on, but the the trick is not to let things you don't have any control over really affect you to the point where you get nervous and stressful again. Jeff Brown  51:34 Yeah, yeah, and I think that you know the the same thing can be put into social media. You know, people say social media is negative. Social media is dangerous, and it depends how you react to it and what you engage on. You know, in my own social media, I follow a lot of photographers, a lot of people who talk about adventures and motorcycle rides and travel and nature. So my news feed is filled with a lot of positive stuff. And if if I see something negative or see something sensationalist, what I do is I don't unfriend that person. I just unfollow them, so I don't see their content again. Michael Hingson  52:09 Yeah. Jeff Brown  52:10 But from from the plus side, you know, social media has bought me more opportunity than anything else, and and effectively for free. And I've traveled traveled a lot because of my work. I have over 100,000 followers across my my social media platforms, and social media brings me customers, brings me clients. It helps me sell books, so there is a lot of positivity to it. I suppose it. The negative is only if you engage in the negative, then you will you'll find the the negative aspect. Michael Hingson  52:40 Yeah. Well, and the reality is that again, it's it's how you approach life, and you've clearly learned a lot about how to approach life in a much more positive way. You've developed, well, we'll call it an unstoppable mindset. You've developed a mindset that allows you to go through life and do the things that you need to do, and focus on the things that you can, and you leave the rest of it alone. Jeff Brown  53:06 Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Michael Hingson  53:08 Which which makes a lot of sense. Well, for you, you you talked earlier about the fact that you have dyslexia, and you've been with dyslexia for most of your life, or maybe all of your life. It's interesting. I've talked to so many people who didn't know that they had dyslexia when they were in school and so on, and experienced a lot of the same frustrations and kinds of experiences that that you've experienced. And somewhere along the line, they finally discovered that they they had dyslexia. How did that when you when you finally realized that? What did that do for you? How did how did that really affect you? Jeff Brown  53:52 Well, funny enough, I I can remember a moment where I must have been about eight year old, where a teacher and you know, back in the 70s, teachers weren't as kind, weren't as kind to to schoolchildren as they are now. You know, and and this this teacher singled me out in front of the class and and told me that I was stupid and I wouldn't amount to anything because I kept struggling with this reading and my numbers. And at the time, I I was I was chubby. I had ginger hair, so I didn't have a I didn't have a lot going for us in in the popularity front, and also being you know the the stupid one in the class. So I found it really negative, and I found it really really personal because I didn't realize that I was dyslexic because nobody knew what dyslexia was now, and when I got to my mid 30s, and I went to train to go into the work with the intelligence services and be an image analyst, I had to redo my English and maths all level qualifications that I should have passed at school, but obviously I didn't. I had to do them through the military, and that was when I found out I was dyslexic, and I didn't actually know what dyslexia was until until I made up on it, and then it all made sense. You know why why I'd struggled for so long. I have my own workarounds. I know what my I know what my what my issues are. I mean, now with with with my work, there's so much out there that helps you as a dyslexic. You know, you you have you have spell checker, you have read aloud where you might not be able to see see it. You know, so quite often I'll do a social media post, and I'll I'll get Word document to read it out aloud so I can hear it. But if I if I if I read it back, I can't see the mistakes I've made because my mind doesn't process that. I know when I write a number down, I probably write write it down the wrong way. So if somebody gives me a phone number and I phone it and it's dead, I just change some of the digits around and figure Michael Hingson  55:58 it out. Do you agree? Do you use technology like Dragon, naturally speaking, to dictate? Jeff Brown  56:04 I tend, I tend to. So I started using only in the past six months. I was quite, I was quite sort of against AI, and well, not against it, but everybody was jumping on the chat, ChatGPT bandwagon, and I always tend to do something different than everybody else does. Six months ago, I jumped on a piece of software called Claude, and because I've because I've written five books now, I've written four business books, and I've written a travel book. I also had a lot of content to give to Claude to feed Claude, and then I had transcripts from my YouTube channel, and and then I gave them some do's and don'ts about you know tone of voice and language, and you know I would never say things like this, I would never say things like that. Told them that you know don't be spelling color without a U. Don't put a Z in sympathize because not American English. It's English, English, and the funny thing is, like over the over the past few months, he's he's pretty much replicated my tone of voice, so I can get Claude to write me a social media post, and then I I just tweak it slightly, and I'll make some changes, and then when I've written that social media post, I give it back to Claude and say, can you note? Can you identify the changes that I've made from what you've originally made, Michael Hingson  57:24 right? Jeff Brown  57:25 And take them on board for the next one, and then you give a summary of the changes. And it's yeah, it's it's it's quite impressive. It's quite scary as well because he he says things like, "Am I becoming more Jeff? Yeah, yeah, you are a bit. Michael Hingson  57:42 Well, the other thing is there are programs and technologies, as I mentioned, like Dragon, which is a a technology that you can get where you dictate, and it recognizes your voice, and it will then convert what you say directly into digitized form, which is pretty cool. I use Dragon when I write a fair amount, and and so that that goes back far earlier than AI. Although I'm sure that there are AI, there are AI components to Dragon naturally speaking today. But it's a it's a great program, and it makes writing a lot easier. So rather than typing on a keyboard, I'm speaking, and it is essentially taking what I write, and it just completely digitizes it by recognizing my voice and then putting it out in in in a digital form for me. I can use it with Microsoft Word and other things like that, Jeff Brown  58:41 yeah. And then do then do you listen back to that and then give edits on on what has been on what is being done? Michael Hingson  58:49 Yeah, I can. I just go back and read the word doc, and but it's but it literally is is transcription of what I say, so I can then go back and say, okay, let's fix this, or everything is fine, and I can go even go back and figure out what's misspelled if there are things that it misrecognized. But it works pretty well. Jeff Brown  59:12 Yeah, tech technology is is is fantastic. It's also got it's it's it's I suppose worrying sides for creative people, where there's a lot, a lot of creatives that potentially AI could could really damage their careers going forward. So it's it's interesting to see which direction it's taken. You know, work with it, but then also be aware of it. Michael Hingson  59:40 Yeah. Well, you still need to take control. Jeff Brown  59:43 Yeah, yeah. Michael Hingson  59:45 So, what's the most unusual or interesting country that you've ever visited since you do so much traveling? Jeff Brown  59:52 I've been to North Korea. So, 2019 I went to North Korea for New. New Year's Eve to celebrate New Year in in Pyongyang Square with another 100,000 North Koreans. There was only 12 Western tourists in Pyongyang at the time, and we were there for 10 days. So yes, I've I've done North Korea, which it took a bit getting into getting into North Korea. It's not as easy as just you can't go on and book a holiday. He can't choose a hotel. It all has to be done through a third-party agent, and it took about six months to get the whole thing to together. But it was-it was very interesting. It was a completely different than every anything I'd ever experienced before, and it's also supposed to be one of the safest countries you can travel to because you you're followed by the North Korean secret police everywhere you go, even inside buildings, when you're in restaurants, when you're in bars. That nothing could ever happen to you, but the North Korean people would never dare to come up and speak to you anyway, you know. But the the thing with North Korea is everything is everything is orchestrated. Everything is set for you alive and there in advance, so you only ever see what they want you to see. You never see the other side of North Korea. I've also been to Chernobyl, where the the last was that was absolutely fascinating, and last year I went to Transnistria, which is one of these countries that doesn't exist. It's not officially recognized by by the UN, and that was like stepping back into the 1980s Speaker 1  1:01:38 That was, Jeff Brown  1:01:39 but everywhere I've been, you know, I think that that's t

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Send us Fan MailThis week we welcome Jason Keating and Alan Kirwan on the podcast to discuss a huge event they have arranged in Co Laois this weekend , Rob and i chat about how the youth are the future and the survival of our sport and the benefits of collaboration among conservation groups , schools , farmers and cubs and how our ecological survival is linked among all . Support the showCheck us out on instagram, Facebook and YouTube for more great content and if you wish to subscribe please see our link below

Send us Fan MailThis week the lads travel to Lakelands to pick up the New Blaser 30-06 and start the rifle build . New scope , mounts , moderator , sling and choosing ammo . Anto chats through the rifle application process and how to simplify it . Rob chats through some of the features of the scope and the rifle itself . Enjoy!!Support the showCheck us out on instagram, Facebook and YouTube for more great content and if you wish to subscribe please see our link below

A Springer Spaniel licks a lot. A Black Lab chewed the bark off the tree. Katie helps them and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Media Research Center President David Bozell exposes how "The Big Four" (Apple, Google, Yahoo, MSN) are secretly rigging your news feed. Discover the "curious case" of Newsweek's sudden revival, why Apple News has ghosted conservative outlets for 100 straight days, and how the FTC is finally getting involved. Plus, on a lighter note: meet Cosmo the Springer Spaniel, the newly appointed "Ambassador Dog" currently running the US Embassy in South Africa. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join host Meg Grier on "God and Our Dogs" as she welcomes Amy Story, President and CEO of the Boerne Kendall County Economic Development Corporation. Amy shares heartfelt stories about her five dogs, focusing on the adventurous journey of Hondo, a Springer Spaniel who went missing for eight days. Through community support, perseverance, and a few unexpected twists, Hondo’s story becomes a touching reflection on trust, belonging, and the parallels between our relationships with our pets and with God. The episode wraps up with insights into the local EDC and a thoughtful message about reliance and faith. Timeline: 0:00 – Introduction to "God and Our Dogs" and host Meg Grier 0:24 – Introducing guest Amy Story and her background 0:50 – Amy’s involvement in the community and her passion for business incubation 1:14 – Meet Amy’s five dogs: Remy, Bo, Peggy, Patch, and Hondo 1:56 – The story of adopting Hondo, the Springer Spaniel 2:57 – Hondo’s adventurous spirit and the day he went missing 3:15 – The search begins: family efforts and community involvement 4:06 – Using social media, signs, and local tips to find Hondo 4:54 – Community members join the search, including a volunteer with a thermal drone 6:13 – False alarms and connecting with others who have lost pets 6:49 – The emotional toll and hope during the search 7:09 – Hondo is found after eight days, thanks to a neighbor recognizing him from the signs 7:54 – Hondo’s return: changes in his behavior and reflections on the experience 9:41 – Parallels to the prodigal son and lessons about homecoming and belonging 10:23 – Amy discusses the Economic Development Corporation and how to get involved 11:59 – Closing thoughts: relying on God as our dogs rely on us, and community appreciation Host: Meg Grier - Stories@GodAndOurDogs.com Website: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100072683640098 God and Our Dogs airs every Saturday at 11:15am on Boerne Radio 103.9FM - www.boerneradio.com. Air Date: 12/20/25See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Send us a textAnto is having dog trouble and Rob jumps in to help ! we chat through a back to basics approach for newbie dog trainers and discuss some of the issues we as rough shooters encounter and how we are trying to overcome them !Support the showCheck us out on instagram, Facebook and YouTube for more great content and if you wish to subscribe please see our link below

Honey bee researchers at Michigan State University (MSU) are enlisting a four-legged ally to sniff out a disease that threatens the vital insects. Maple, an English Springer Spaniel, used to work for law enforcement, but now she's doing her bit for the planet to help keep nature's prized pollinators in good health. In her latest role, she's the queen bee among researchers at Michigan State University—helping to sniff out danger to honey bees. The Pollinator Performance Center's wide range of projects includes developing a training program for dogs to use their sensitive noses to uncover a bacterial disease called American foulbrood that threatens honey bee larvae. “It's pretty much the same across the board, whether you're training a narcotics dog or explosives dog: You take the target odor, you present it to them, and through a series of kind of systematic and repetitive training, you start to—the dog starts to learn to correlate the odor, the target odor, with something good is going to happen,” Sue Stejskal, a Michigan State grad who has been training dogs says. A panting Maple stands patiently as Stejskal, her longtime owner/trainer/handler, slowly places the once-retired K-9 in a yellow protective suit, complete with a veil for her head and four booties that are slipped over her paws in case Maple steps on a bee. “Much like with humans, we recognize that if a dog is going to be in an active bee yard, they need to wear the same personal protective equipment as people do. And so, that is a bee suit. You can't buy them on Amazon for dogs. So, there's been some altering and testing,” says Stejskal. Meghan Milbrath, an MSU professor whose lab studies risk factors that affect honey bees' health, was working to establish diagnostic and screening tools for honey bee diseases and to train honey bee veterinarians. One of the vets put her in touch with Stejskal. They met, and the dog detection plan was born. Stejskal then set about teaching an old dog a new trick. New to Maple, anyway. Maryland's agriculture department previously used canine detection methods in beehives. This article was provided by The Associated Press.

We see a creature near us, and we describe it as a dog. Why that and not "mammal" or "animal"? And if that dog's a Springer Spaniel, and we know it's a Springer Spaniel, why do we nevertheless call it a "dog"? In an apparent digression, I discuss the idea in cognitive science of a "basic level of categorization" (or abstraction). While we construct hierarchies and taxonomies, we tend to operate at one specific level: one that's not too abstract and not too concrete. SourcesGeorge Lakoff, Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal about the Mind, 1987.Gregory L. Murphy, The Big Book of Concepts, 2002.Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow, 2024. CreditsThe image of the dog and cat is via https://fondosymas.blogspot.com. It is licensed as Reconocimiento-NoComercial-CompartirIgual 3.0 España.

This week we get to meet Jack, a 3 year old white and brown Springer Spaniel weighing 65 pounds,  and Splash, a 2 year old…

Send us an inquiry through a text message here!Welcome to another episode of The Veterinary Roundtable! In this episode, the ladies undergo their first mailbag by ONLY answering your questions... do we recommend Springer Spaniels? What do we think is the next "big thing" in veterinary pharmaceuticals? What's the most insane thing we've seen on x-ray?Do you have a question or inquiry for The Veterinary Roundtable? Send us a text from the link above, ask us on any social media platform, or email theveterinaryroundtable@gmail.com!Episodes of The Veterinary Roundtable are on all podcast services along with video form on YouTube!Instagram: https://tinyurl.com/2h27xnfuTikTok: https://tinyurl.com/m8f62ameYouTube: https://tinyurl.com/48njfywdTIMESTAMPSIntro 00:00Pits And Peaks 04:40The Most Disturbing Animal Injury We've Witnessed 15:48How To Adjust Your Mindset After Witnessing A Euthanasia 19:40The Next "Big Thing" In Veterinary Pharmaceuticals 21:22Do We Recommend Springer Spaniels? 23:52Knowing When It's The End For A Late Stage CHF Dog 25:28How Common Is IVDD In Dachshunds? 27:56Tips For Grooming An 18 Year Old Cat 29:10The Craziest X-Ray We've Ever Seen 30:46Foreign Body Diagnostic Tips 34:50Keeping Employee Morale Positive When Management Keeps It Negative 36:02Did Dr. King Sell All-Star? 37:45Pet Owners Not Knowing When The Intact Female Fertility Window Occurs 40:18The Most Insane Cases We've Worked On 42:58The New WSAVA Guidelines 48:24Ways To Increase Access To Veterinary Care On An Island 48:54The Most Rewarding Part Of Our Jobs 51:04The New Loyal Anti-Aging Drug Arriving In Early 2026 52:20Vets Putting Down On-The-Job Trained Techs 54:28Is An Ostrich Or Jaguar Faster? 56:30Spays Should Not Be Rushed 59:05The Most Underdiagnosed and Overdiagnosed Issues In Vet Med 59:40Our Top Five Dog Breeds 01:02:20Our Five Year Goals 01:03:50Outro 01:06:55

PREVIEW: SPRINGER SPANIELS: A Christmas surprise of a seven-month-old Springer Spaniel named Charlie, learning quickly to be a little brother to five-year-old Springer Spaniel Sailor, demonstrates the adaptation skills of canines even in a world without humans. More later from Jessica Pierce and Marc Bekoff, authors of "A Dog's World." undated Trojan

In this unique episode of Canicross Conversations, we switch things up as Tracey Powiesnik from No Fuss Fill asks Louise and Michelle the questions! Tracey is eager to start her canicross journey with her Springer Spaniel, Harvey, and she's come prepared with all the questions beginners need to know. Find out: the basic principles of canicross and how it differs from regular running with your dog the ideal age for dogs to start canicross breed suitability how to assess if your dog is physically and mentally ready cover common beginner mistakes and how to avoid them essential training techniques and commands what equipment you'll need how to warm up and cool down tips on human running gear and much more! Whether you're just starting out like Tracey or looking to refine your canicross technique, this episode is packed with practical advice to get you and your dog off to a great start. Don't miss this special episode. Subscribe now.   This episode is sponsored by Non-stop Dogwear Join Non-stop in London for a fun and active day with your dog together with hundreds of other dogs and their owners. Support animal welfare with every step! All entry monies received will be donated to the Mayhew Animal Welfare charity. Complete a 1-mile course with your training buddy in any way you like, as many times as you would like! Whether you walk, jog, run or roll, the choice is yours.  Meet Non-stop Dogwear's team and learn how to be active with your dog. Get inspired by our brand's ambassadors and test out demonstration gear during your loop. You can complete as many loops as you like and follow the results on a live timing board! Treat your dog with a doggy cupcake when you are done with your loop. EXCLUSIVE! Be the first ones to discover and try a brand-new Non-stop dogwear product. Our dedicated team of dog sports experts will help you select the perfect gear for you and your dog. Where? Wormwood Scrubs, London, UK When? Saturday 21st of September 2024 from 12:00 to 17:00. You can start your loop anytime between 12:00 and 17:00. Entry fee: £5.00 per participant. All entry fees will be donated to Mayhew charity. If you wish to do more than 1 lap you will be able to. Enter here Follow the event for regular updates!  

THE HORROR WITHIN MEET THE AUTHOR Podcast: LIVE - Episode 170Originally aired Wednesday August 21,2024Featuring Author Marjorie DoeringABOUT MARJORIE: Marjorie Swift Doering enjoys writing in many genres, but is focusing, for now, on mystery/police procedurals with her Ray Schiller Series: Dear Crossing, Shadow Tag, Targeted, Web of Silence, Remains and One Way Out. While Marjorie comes from a family of PGA and LPGA golf professionals, from an early age, her passion has been writing. A graduate of WSU, Stevens Point with a B.S. in Secondary Education, she finds her major in English and minor in Psychology very helpful in the creation of her stories. Marjorie and her husband Denny, the parents of two wonderful, adult children, live in beautiful northwestern Wisconsin with their Springer Spaniel and three crazy, lovable cats.Links to watch or listen to all episodes at: https://indiebooksource.com/podcast

My guest today on the Online for Authors podcast is Patti Frye Meredith, author of the book South of Heaven. Patti's debut novel came out late in life and for her, that's right on time. She could not be happier. She grew up in Galax, Virginia. Most of her stories are set in her beloved Blue Ridge Mountains, but South of Heaven takes place in the North Carolina Sandhills, in Carthage where her family's roots run deep. Please know that the Carthage in South of Heaven was born from long ago visits to see her grandmothers, a Carthage formed from hazy childhood memories that have become more imaginary than real. If you know the real Carthage, she apologizes for misplaced landmarks and fictitious churches. After living all over over the South—Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana—she and her husband, Lee, have settled back in Chapel Hill with their Springer Spaniel, Maggie. Nothing could be finer. In my book review, I stated South of Heaven is a contemporary family fiction that is filled to the brim with amazing characters, as well as a delightful and though-provoking storyline. In fact, if you have family - and we all do - you'll relate to miscommunications, slights, white lies, bold-faced lies, and reinventions of the past that often occur between those we love. Fern made a poor choice when she was barely accountable for such things and has lived with the consequences every single day since. Except for her son, her aunt, and one friend, she has kept to herself, hoping to somehow atone for her sins. Her sister, Leona, on the other hand, seems to have it all, moving beyond their rotten childhood. But what happens when truth - old and new - becomes headline news? ​I love this story because it is one of redemption and love. We all make mistakes. We all try to cover those mistakes up, usually with disastrous results. We all find a way to love family, despite it all. This is a wonderful novel, and I highly recommend it. Subscribe to Online for Authors to learn about more great books! https://www.youtube.com/@onlineforauthors?sub_confirmation=1 You can follow Author Patti Meredith: Website: www.pattimeredith.com   Purchase South of Heaven on Amazon: Purchase the paperback. Purchase the ebook. Teri M Brown, Author and Podcast Host: https://www.terimbrown.com FB: @TeriMBrownAuthor IG: @terimbrown_author X: @terimbrown1   #pattimeredith #southofheaven #familyfiction #terimbrownauthor #authorpodcast #onlineforauthors #characterdriven #researchjunkie #awardwinningauthor #podcasthost #podcast #readerpodcast #bookpodcast #writerpodcast #author #books #goodreads #bookclub #fiction #writer #bookreview *As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

My first-ever interaction with an English Springer Spaniel was when my wife, Emily, brought one home. When considering which dog breed our first hunting dog should be, we ultimately landed on the one with which Emily was most familiar. She grew up with Springers, and consequently, that is where we landed. At that time, we weren't aware of the differences between bench and field bred dogs. Perhaps unsurprisingly, as our involvement in bird hunting deepened, so did our knowledge of the breed. Our first dog, Dixie, was most likely a bench bred dog. Bench bred dogs are those who are bred with the goal of placing in the show ring. I say most likely because she came from an inconspicuous farm litter but was physically more similar to a bench dog (we'll get into that in a bit).  As Dixie got older, we got on a list for a field bred Springer Spaniel. These dogs are bred with the rigors of field trials and hunt tests in mind; hence the term field bred. Our first field bred dog, Timber, died from a gastrointestinal fungal infection before her second birthday. At that point, we got Fern. Then, roughly a year later, Wild, who has the same mother as Timber, joined our family. 

In this episode, Emily talks to three dog owners whose dogs have different medical or orthopaedic health conditions which may have limited their activity. Gabby talks about running with her German Shepherd, Willow, who has lumbosacral disease (a spinal condition). Helene talks about canicross with her Springer Spaniel, Evie, who has been diagnosed with arthritis, a significant heart murmur and also had her spleen removed in 2023! Helene offers her advice and she has free resources for dog owners here: www.thehealthfuldoctor.com/wpwlinks Finally, Jo talks about her canicross journey with her Labrador, Hattie, who has been diagnosed with significant elbow and mild hip dysplasia, has undergone surgery at a young age and is still fit, largely due to the canicross. We hope you enjoy this episode and take some inspiration from these amazing dogs and their dedicated owners.

Andy Mallick's trajectory as a Rising Star of Turf has been a long one, entailing stops at four golf courses over 14 years before landing his first head superintendent position. Now in his fifth season as superintendent (and 11th overall) at Metedeconk National Golf Club (Jackson, NJ), Mallick had interim stops at Pine Valley Golf Club, Country Club of Darien and Southward Ho Golf Club on Long Island, picking up valuable experience at each one. Mallick credits his girlfriend, Rachel, with grounding his peripatetic instincts and helping him settle down and find a home at Metedeconk. He looks forward to hosting another Korn Ferry Tour event this year and welcoming another Springer Spaniel puppy to their family this week.

Welcome to an enthralling episode of the Ecology Academy Podcast, where host Richard Dodd is joined by special guest Nikki Glover, a Senior Ecologist at Wessex Water renowned for her innovative newt detection techniques. Our dynamic conversation delves into Nikki's essential contributions to large-scale development infrastructure projects, her diverse career path, and her unique use of detection dogs for ecological conservation. Nikki gives a detailed account of how her passion for ecology sparked during her Animal Behaviour studies, which led her to a pivotal role in preserving the Great Crested Newt population. With her licensed Springer Spaniel, Freya, Nikki has redefined the detection methods for this amphibian species, paving the way for potential implementation of these techniques across diverse species. Gain an inside look into the complicated process of gaining a license for newt detection dogs, including the obstacles faced and knowledge gained. Nikki's commitment and determination in this process are truly inspiring, offering valuable insights to budding ecologists and conservationists in the field. This episode further analyses detection dogs' importance for ecological conservation, with a focus on their implementation within Wessex Water's operations. Discover how the licensing process works, the potential for expanded recognition of dog detection in licenses, the challenges of public interest and media attention, hilarious anecdotes, and the critical balance between dog handling and ecological work. We also explore the intricate aspects of the licensing and registration process for detection dogs used in conservation, factors affecting the application's success, the benefits of a 'joined-up' approach towards conservation, and the creation of guidelines for Great Crested Newt detection. Learn about the worldwide collaboration in conservation, the potential of detection dog symposiums, and the opportunities for first-hand observations of their work. Tune in to this must-listen episode of the Ecology Academy Podcast, perfect for anyone interested in ecological conservation, innovative study methodologies, and intriguing career paths in the field!

When Shaddah the dog chased a ball into the sea, he was quickly swept out. His owner relives the anxious wait for a dog with no off-switch Shaddah is a cross between a Labrador and a Springer Spaniel. And as anyone who knows Springers knows, they love the water. One March day at Seaton Sluice in Northumberland, Shaddah's enthusiastic nature got him into trouble. Determined to retrieve an elusive ball, the black dog was the same colour as the water he was swept out by. And his owner, Reverend William Docherty, had lost sight of him. Reverend Docherty talks about the moments he was forced to consider the prospect of having to go home without his beloved pet. 200 Voices is produced by Adventurous Audio for the RNLI    Interview by Adventurous Audio Soundtrack composed and performed by Jon Nicholls    The RNLI is a charity celebrating 200 years of saving lives at sea - find out more at RNLI.org/200     

How many residents of the Manning Valley have featured on an Australia Post stamp?  Macquarie Island, located between Tasmania and the Antarctic, was the site of the world's most successful rabbit eradication program ever conducted and Gus, the Springer Spaniel, was part of this program.  Narelle Campbell, Team Leader on the island, fell in love with Gus and adopted this amazing dog after a tragic accident.  This is their heart-rendering story.

Join host Joanne Perrott, LWDG regional Expert Sue Lister, and Gundog Trainer Simon Grace in an enjoyable and informative podcast episode Discover Simon's journey from his first Springer Spaniel to becoming a professional trainer and field trial enthusiast. Get a glimpse into the exciting world of gundog field trials as Simon shares entertaining stories and explains the difference between trials and tests. Prepare to laugh and be captivated by his hilarious doggy tales. In this episode, gain valuable insights into teaching gundogs. Subscribe now to "Tis a Funny Job Them Gundogs" to LWDG POD DOG for a delightful podcast celebrating gundogs and the remarkable bond between humans and their canine companions. Thank you for joining me, Joanne Perrott, on this episode of Fount It, Fetched It - Your weekly dose of gundog wisdom, brought to you by the Ladies Working Dog Group. If you're ready to take your dog training to the next level and connect with a passionate, like-minded community, it's time to consider joining the LWDG. Don't just visit us - join us! Head over to www.thelwdg.com and seize the opportunity to become a part of our ever-growing family. By joining our group, you'll gain access to expert training resources and a supportive community of dog lovers who are eager to learn and grow together. If you've enjoyed this episode, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss any future insights. And, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to leave a review - your feedback makes a huge difference! Until next time, continue the journey of training, learning, and creating unforgettable moments with your best friend. I'll see you at our next episode - and hopefully, in our LWDG community soon!

Episode #001 When I first ventured into the world of dog training and hunting, I was fortunate to meet an incredible mentor, Mark Hairfield. Together, we reminisce about our humble beginnings, Mark's 42-year career in field trials with dogs, and our shared love for gun dogs and the great outdoors. Join us as Mark imparts his wisdom on what it takes to make a dog a field champion in the AKC and his ultimate goal of qualifying dogs for national events.We also explore the role of luck in field trials and the appeal of training level-headed British Labs and Springers. Mark shares his journey with his Springer Spaniel, Badger, whose legacy set the bar high for future generations of hunting dogs. With over 250 Open All Age points and 60 Field Champions produced from his frozen semen, Badger's incredible intelligence and skill have left an indelible mark on the dog training world.As we celebrate the camaraderie among fellow enthusiasts and the inspiring world of gun dogs, listen in for Mark's insights on balancing competition with client support and the importance of fostering a strong sense of community. We hope you enjoy this episode and walk away with a greater appreciation for the dedication, passion, and expertise it takes to excel in the dog training and hunting world. Visit https://www.cornerstonegundogacademy.com to learn how to train your retriever.

It was Summer 2021 when our almost-13-month-old Springer Spaniel, Timber, started throwing up. She was a puppy and had a strong desire to see the world through her mouth so we assumed she had eaten something strange and it would resolve itself. When that didn't immediately happen we went to the veterinary clinic and started the diagnostic process.  What we were ignorant of then was the possibility and danger of internal fungal infections.

Hosť: Janka Janeková a Viera Janeková , chovateľská stanica Jankina záhrada plemena Welsh springer spanielov, www.jankinazahrada.sk Počuli ste niekedy o plemene psa Welsh springer spaniel? Okrem toho, že jeho meno je celkom náročná rozcvička na správnu výslovnosť vás toto plemeno pochádzajúce z Walesu má čím zaujať. Ako hovoria chovateľky Janka a Viera, je to plemeno mnohých talentov, ktoré miluje prítomnosť svojho ľudského parťáka - ja len dodám, “pes do koča aj do voza” - príjemné počúvanie. V podcaste Starajme sa vám spolu s hosťami prinesieme zaujímavé témy zo sveta chovateľstva. Na svoje si prídu naozaj všetci, od psíčkarov až po akvaristov. Všetky časti a kopu ďalších informácií o zvieratkách nájdete na https://www.starajmesa.sk/​​​  

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This episode from the series In Conversation: on the rural pathway to Fellowship explores the holistic nature of care by examining the firsthand stories of trainees and their approach to cases in rural settings. The podcast seeks to explore trainees dealing with cases in rural everyday circumstances and how these cases impacted their training experience.This podcast series was made possible by funding from the Australian Government through the Specialist Training Program. The Specialist Training Program is an Australian Government initiative to support specialist medical training in settings beyond traditional public teaching hospitals, including regional, rural, and remote and private facilities. Dr Anna Norris has worked in Victoria and Tasmania for the majority of her medical career and was lucky to complete her first three years of the RANZCP Fellowship programme at NWMH in Melbourne/ Naarm. She immensely enjoyed a six-month CAMHS rotation in Alice Springs/ Mparntwe in 2018 and learnt a great deal during this time. Anna went on to move to London and finish a postgraduate certificate in Psychoanalytic Studies at the Tavistock Clinic; COVID-19 thwarting her plans for the associated master's when she headed back to Australia, seeking, somewhat naively (!), to avoid the pandemic. Since then, and following the birth of her first child, she has been loving living and working in Tasmania, including with the Perinatal and Infant Mental Health Service in Hobart/ nipaluna. She is engaged in CL Psychiatry advanced training and has interests in mitigating the effects of psychological trauma, maternal and infant psychiatry, and psychodynamic psychotherapy. In her spare time, she dances to the Hokey Pokey with her daughter, makes chili-laden one-pot vegetarian meals and is trying to learn the trick of dead lifts at the gym.Dr Timothy (Tim) Styles completed his medical studies at the University of Western Australia and commenced postgraduate training in psychiatry in 2019 after seeking diverse exposure to medical and surgical specialties as a junior hospital doctor. Tim has been fortunate to work across a number of geographic regions in WA and at several different metropolitan health services during his training. As a medical student, Tim had a placement in Wiluna in the Mid-West region of WA. As a trainee, he worked in Broome at the Kimberley Mental Health and Drug Service. Tim is undertaking certificate training in Psychiatry of Old Age, and has special interests in rural psychiatry, neurostimulation, and an increasing enthusiasm for psychotherapy. In his spare time, Tim enjoys playing tennis, loyally (blindly) following his AFL team, and taking his two-year-old Springer Spaniel to the beach. He is also a keen (and sometimes experimental) cook with slight hoarding tendencies when it comes to culinary gadgetry – which greatly exasperates his wife.Feedback:If you have a topic suggestion or would like to participate in a future episode of Psych Matters, we'd love to hear from you.Please contact us by email at: psychmatters.feedback@ranzcp.orgDisclaimer:This podcast is provided to you for information purposes only and to provide a broad public understanding of various mental health topics.  The podcast may represent the views of the author and not necessarily the views of The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists ('RANZCP'). The podcast is not to be relied upon as medical advice, or as a substitute for medical advice, does not establish a doctor-patient relationship and should not be a substitute for individual clinical judgement.  By accessing The RANZCP's podcasts you also agree to the full terms and conditions of the RANZCP's Website. Expert mental health information and finding a psychiatrist in Australia or New Zealand is available on the RANZCP's Your Health In Mind Website. 

Matthew Hodge joined the University of Maryland as vice president for university relations in July 2022. Reporting directly to President Darryll Pines and serving on the leadership cabinet, he leads a team of 200+ advancement professionals responsible for generating private philanthropic and volunteer support among the university's alumni and friends, and for best-in-class engagement of donors. University Relations staff, centrally based within the division and within 14 schools, colleges and divisions across campus, focus on annual, major, principal and planned gifts; alumni and donor relations; and the financial management and operations of the division and UMCP Foundation. The University of Maryland College Park Foundation is responsible for oversight of the private assets held by the university including the $1B+ endowment and the real estate corporation investments. Prior to Maryland, Matt served in progressive advancement leadership positions at the University of Florida, Seminole State College, and the University of Central Florida. Matt and his wife Erin live in Bethesda with their Springer Spaniel, Camden. We have a son at FSU and a daughter at Wake Forest.

Joining me today is Co-Founder and CEO from Salty Dawg Pet Salon, John Kanski.Kanski founded Salty Dawg Pet Salon in 2018, when he noticed that typical grooming shops took his Springer Spaniel behind closed doors and left her in an anxious state during her visit. Kanski, a Paul Mitchell School owner with locations across four states, dreamed of redefining the grooming experience by creating an expedited process to teach licensed hairstylists and barbers to groom animals. Turning his dream into a reality, Kanski teamed up with Winn Claybaugh, founder and co-owner of Paul Mitchell Advanced Education (the franchisor of 100+ cosmetology and/or barbering schools operating under the Paul Mitchell School brand), and Gary Ratner, a lifelong expert in the beauty industry with over 40 years of experience in retail, real estate, store operations, and franchising.I hope you enjoy today's discussion with John Kanski from SAlty Dawg Pet Salon

Today's episode starts off with the dream of any Houndsman, a bear hunting honeymoon!  Dale and the crew set out to catch a big, stock killing bruin before it settles in for its winter nap.  They pull out all the stops even bringing in some Hound x Bull Terrier crosses for this one, and even a half Shepard half Springer Spaniel.  But after a long day, miles of country and a whole lot of grit they got it done. After several encounters with this monster boar, Dale and his brother were finally able to lay hands on the biggest bear they had caught to date.  https://www.youtube.com/c/InterviewsStoriesandTales https://www.youtube.com/c/BrettVaughnCBVTV https://www.patreon.com/CBVTV?fbclid=IwAR3_ezq3oZf93eocipThrARo4zeuFGiMEzLbH0hxK--0K-IXn7rgXyEXax8 http://www.specialty-feeds.com/valu-pak.html?fbclid=IwAR1lhK2rm6ftnTzEtkP7AozLvW6Z2vyH5tpNf_TdgzIWctcCAmAh2Sx5k4o https://podcast.dusupply.com/

Today, Stacy and Robin sit down with Dr. Lauryn DeGreeff, who has worked in analytical chemistry in support of canine detection for over a decade. She received her Ph.D. in Chemistry with an emphasis in Forensic Science from Florida International University, and her research focuses on the sampling, characterization, and delivery of human odor, living and deceased, for the purpose of canine detection. In this episode, Stacy and Robin ask Lauryn questions like “Did the FBI actually advertise for a research scientist?” and “Do you think you'll ever invent an instrument that will replace a dog's nose?”Lauryn reflects on her work and research, expounding on her work collecting human scent with scent vacuums, and using that library of scents for dog testing. She explains why blood testing is fun and why the Springer Spaniel she did it with was the best dog for the job. They discuss the ease of FBI funding in contrast to the hustle needed for university funding and how to get funding, as well as how the FBI recruiters research. She dives into her work at the Naval Research Laboratory and working as a victim subject in an airport.After 10 years in the field, Lauryn decided to write a book, which she explains the making of before diving into the work she follows and the work she's currently doing.Key Topics:How Lauryn got involved in the K9 world (1:07)Human scent research (4:09)The logistics of scent collection (8:28)Blood detection dogs (13:11)Funding research (17:52)Working at the Naval Research Laboratory (22:59)Writing her book (28:01)The best and worst pieces of instrumentation (39:32)What a layman should watch for when reading peer reviewed journals (53:59)Whose work Lauryn follows and what she's up to (56:21)Hypothetical research dreams (59:17)Resources:Canines: The Original Biosensors book USE PROMO CODE: JSP30 for 30% offLauryn's LinkedInLauryn's FacebookNathan HallPaola TiedemannMichele Maughan and Jenna Gadberry: K9 Training Aid Containment and StorageLorna IrishDefense Science and Technology Laboratory UKYou can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com to enjoy the freebies and tell your friends so you can keep the conversations going.Jingle by: www.mavericksings.com Instagram: @mavericktasticAudio editing & other podcast services by: www.thepodcastman.com Instagram: @the_podcast_man

Muito parecido com o cocker spaniel, esse cachorro tem algumas particularidades que o diferem de seu parente que também possui orelhas compridas. 

Which dog befriended Darwin and Einstein? What pup earned more than a US president? And which dog was banned from the streets of Rome? Meet the Wire Fox Terrier, Collie, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, English Spring Spaniel and English Bulldog on this episode of Dogs 101.For even more dog content, stream full episodes of Dogs 101 on discovery+. Go to discoveryplus.com/dogs101 to start your free trial today. Terms apply.

Hello there this is Krista with episode number 119 On the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. have you checked out all of the amazing partner products that I highly recommend? These are products that I've tried on my dog Winston that are both safe and effective. Just go to https://www.wagoutloud.com/ and check out the Partner Products section, and I've negotiated discounts for most of them. What is it with dogs and butt scratches? The reason most dogs like their rear scratched is because that is a very hard area for them to reach themselves. And it's the muscular area right in front of their tail with a lot of sensitive nerve endings, which may be the reason for the pleasure that many dogs take in having their butts scratched. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud Pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition and overall well being. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Hello dog lovers we are in for another great Wag Out Loud episode as Rita Hogan, Canine Herbalist is here to share some very important knowledge. And today we're going to be covering Herbal Solutions for Pancreatitis in Dogs. Rita, Could you please introduce yourself and share how you got into the specialty of holistic canine herbalism.Um, as Krista said, my name is Rita Hogan and I have been an herbalist for approximately 19 plus years. I learned farm herbalism from my father and I picked it up again. When I was about 29 years old, I started working with dogs. And because I had a pre boarding facility, and I just saw all these really sick dogs coming and boarding with me. And I just knew there was a better way. And I just kept looking at all the similarities between all the dogs. And it was, you know, kibble fed diets, lots of over vaccination, lack of exercise, just not any preventative care. And so I started working one on one with those clients. And it just built from there. And here I am. Well, we appreciate you being here. You're awesome. Thank you. And if people haven't caught Rita, I mean she speaks at conferences and she is a regular contributor to Dogs Naturally Magazine, one of my favorite periodicals. So Rita is so knowledgeable and we are so lucky to have her here. Rita, I was telling you before we hit record that I selfishly wanted this topic because my dog Winston has had pancreatitis, and it was awful. So why don't we first start with what exactly is pancreatitis? Well, the pancreas is a little organ that's near the liver and it is responsible for insulin, how insulin is produced and utilized in the body, which is not, you know, the facet of pancreatitis. And then it's also responsible for creating enzymes that break down food. And those enzymes travel from the pancreas, to the digestive system, the stomach, and they're not activated, okay. So they kind of like are shielded, and they go down the chute into the stomach, and then they get activated in the stomach, or what happens with pancreatitis is those enzymes are activated before they get to the stomach. And that is not good, because what it does is it leaks these enzymes into the stomach and small intestine. And these enzymes eat the tissue on their way down. And they that causes tons of inflammation. It can cause internal bleeding. It definitely causes tissue damage with premature cell death. And we don't want that and it's very, very painful. Because those enzymes are eating tissues that they're not supposed to be eating. And you got to get everything to calm down because of the extreme pain and get the pancreas, the pancreas to work again. Right? Because when the enzymes leak into the abdominal cavity they eat through its lining and they damage the digestive track and we don't want that to happen, because you can't reverse that right? Well, you know, you can heal the mucosa for sure. But if it keeps going, they could eat right through it, which would be a terrible situation. But the problem is, is it's very painful for your dog. And you know, people get pancreatitis, and they can tell you that is some of the worst pain. I know that if pancreatitis is not addressed, that it can really lead to serious consequences, like you mentioned, internal bleeding, cell death, organ damage. So there are two types of pancreatitis, acute and chronic. Can you tell us the difference between the two?Yeah, so acute pancreatitis can sometimes just happen like one time. And it's usually something you never forget. And it comes on quickly, but it can be very severe. It also can have very mild symptoms. So it is just a disruption in the pancreatic activity, but it doesn't usually happen multiple times. And when it starts happening multiple times, it becomes chronic. Okay, and chronic pancreatitis is when a dog gets pancreatitis more than one time. And it's also usually an enzyme deficiency. And you see it in dogs with nutritional imbalances and that have low absorption that don't absorb the nutrients like they should, or endocrine disorders. And those type of conditions lead to the pancreatic insufficiency. And then usually you'll see an entire imbalance in the entire digestive system, which includes the liver, pancreas, and spleen, and the gut. So with chronic pancreatitis, you're going to address all of those things. And is it true you were mentioning nutritional imbalances, so what are they low in vitamin wise?That varies, it's just completely varied. But one of the things that is different with chronic pancreatitis, Krista is that a lot of times it can be asymptomatic, from like, just like this obvious perspective, right? Like, just like when he's a little, you know, he's been a little weak, but, you know, he looks normal, he's doing everything normal, but some of the symptoms of chronic pancreatitis, one of them is a dog that, you know that yoga move the downward dog.? A lot of times dogs with chronic pancreatitis, do the downward dog a lot. And they also arch their back a lot, like more than normal. And then they tend to have like a lack of appetite. They don't feel like eating a lot, a lot. They can have irritable bowel syndrome, they definitely usually have chronic loose stool, and they do chronic vomiting, and chronic loose stool and chronic vomiting, aren't like vomiting, like on a Tuesday, three times, that's not chronic is they vomit, you know, often throughout the month, and they have loose stool throughout the month. It's consistent. It may not be every day, but it's consistent. And that can also be a symptom of chronic pancreatitis, where acute is just so much more severe and you'll know your dog, you know, they kind of go down. Yeah. And they definitely a lot of them need acute pancreatitis. A lot of them will need vet care for the first couple of days to manage the pain. And then you can bring them home and deal with it. If it's severe. And if it's not severe, then you can manage it at home.Well, as I mentioned, Winston had it. We were camping. And he got something, you know, something he ate there at the campsite that was left. He was so sick and obviously in so much pain. He was doing the Down Dog and the up dog and hiding in the closet and whimpering. So I always thought it was just eating too much fat that triggers it. But there are other causes, right?Yeah, there's lots of causes. So just to go through a few. Kibble diets are a huge one. high fat, like very high fat, like if you you know if you kept giving your dog let's just say the Grizzle off of a pork chop. Okay, that could cause pancreatitis, or if you kept giving them let's just say that you gave them all the fat off of your bacon. That could cause pancreatitis, Poor fat. can cause pancreatitis like treats that are made with like canola oil, or peanut oil. Not necessarily peanuts, but peanut oil is very processed oil, being overweight, over eating in general. And one of the things lack of exercise, lack of exercise, the average American dog gets 15 minutes of exercise per day. Which is Sad but true. That's the average. Yeah, proper nutrition, vitamin and mineral deficiencies. disease and that's pretty much across the board that you know, everything's connected in the body, the dogs and ecosystem. So when things start to get off balance, the pancreas and spleen are very temperamental. autoimmune disease can cause pancreatitis. Usually it's chronic pancreatitis, being hypothyroid can cause pancreatitis. Some pharmaceutical medicines, especially anti histamines can cause pancreatitis, stress, painkillers, NSAIDs, both all can have an effect on the pancreas. So with all of those causes, it must be a pretty common ailment. Right?Acute is quite common, actually chronic Not, not so much. But acute. Yes, definitely. Quite. I think it's pretty prevalent.And I think I read that diabetic dogs tend to be prone. But it can also be the other way around where pancreatitis can also cause diabetes.Yes. And diet, because there's already an imbalance in the pancreas. diabetic dogs usually suffer from chronic pancreatitis. So, especially when I would say, within one to two years of having diabetes, or leading up to being diagnosed with diabetes.So we take the dog to the vet, because they're obviously in pain. They've been diagnosed with pancreatitis, given fluids, pain is controlled, and then we bring them home. So we all know about this Show that we like to explore natural, holistic treatments. So you're saying that herbs can definitely help. So what is the best way to care for our dogs holistically Once they're home?You want to look at your dog as an ecosystem, you want to kind of just take a step back and say, How did this happen? Right? Want to look at what your dog is eating. Now. You want to look? Have they gotten like your dogs, it got into something. So you kind of know, like, Oh, that's probably what happened. But you want to do a little assessment. Some people automatically start feeding their dogs, there's kind of two camps, where you fast and rest your dog's system for about 20 to 48 hours, kind of giving, you know, electrolytes and water, the vet might give some sub q fluids. And then there's another camp where it talks about an alternative theory that you shouldn't rest the pancreas. And if your dog is vomiting, you should feed them small meals, and kind of forego fasting. So there's two camps in that one. I say, you know, do what's best for your dog, they'll definitely let you know right away what what's gonna happen, and then you start giving small amounts of like bone broth, or you can cook for your dog. If your dog eats raw, that's fine, too. And then you start looking at herbs and homeopathy or supplements that are going to help the healing process. Okay. homeopathically like right away, I tend to give a homeopathic remedy called Aconite or Arnica. 200 C for the inflammation and the pain, and then gently massaging your dog is also good. The entire abdomen. kind of getting the kind of getting it flowing. And then I start administering herbs. And also we make sure that they're on a good diet. Dr. Judy Morgan, I don't know. Yep. Okay. So Judy has a book that talks about cooking for your dog. She has a great, what does it begin? Yin & Yang Nutrition for Dogs: Maximizing Health with Whole Foods, Not Drugs. Yes, she has a pancreatic diet in there that I have used for quite a few dogs in my practice. That is good for that, you know, kind of like that coming home from the vet. And it's nice. It's a nice neutral diet. She has one of those in her book. That's a good source. You want to just make sure that they're kind of eating neutral foods, you want to get them back on their feet. And then we go for herbs. So here I'll just go over some of the herbs that I like for for different types.I want to just go to a quick commercial break and then we'll come back and you can tell us about these exciting herbs. I can't wait to learn more, so we will be right back. Sponsor AdWe are so grateful to the Original Mine Pet Platter for sponsoring this episode. This has to be one of my favorite products ever! The Mine Pet Platter is designed to benefit the health and wellbeing of your dog and promotes the ultimate natural feeding experience for both meals and treats. What is it? Well it's a patented, bone shaped platter designed for your dog's feeding instincts. It includes scoops and ridges, that naturally slows down your dog's eating routine and makes mealtime fun. After watching my dog Winston slow down instead of inhaling his food from a bowl, we've never gone back and now he explores, sniffs, paces, walks around the platter and licks it clean. It's BPA free, made in the USA, dishwasher safe, sustainable, recyclable and it has 100% money back guarantee. There are too many benefits to fit into this ad, so I encourage you to learn more by going to https://minepetplatter.com/ and learn that HOW you feed your dog is just as important as WHAT you feed them. And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10. at checkout. Okay, we are back with Rita Hogan and she is going to tell us about some fantastic herbal remedies for canine pancreatitis. Rita take it away!Great. So a couple things to keep in mind. There are remedies for chronic pancreatitis and there are remedies for acute pancreatitis. Okay. One remedy that I like for chronic pancreatitis and it is a this is definitely for the beginner like someone who just wants to try something out. It's a herbal formulation called GastroElm, and it's I believe it's GastroElm.com, and it's a mix of slippery elm and I believe there's marshmallow root in there and milk thistle and just maybe some licorice root. It's actually really good for dogs that are prone to pancreatitis. So that's a good one to try out right off the bat. Not so much for acute but for chronic pancreatitis. I do like that blend. And again, that's GastroElm. Okay. So single herbal remedies. Okay. When there is acute pancreatitis, I like blackberry leaf, and I use what is called a glycerite. So it's a glycerin based extract of blackberry leaf. And it's really good for inflammation. And it helps dogs get through an acute situation of pancreatitis. the glycerine extract, I would use 4 drops for extra small dogs, 6-8 drops for small dogs, that like a pug is a small dog. And extra small probably like a, you know, a mini Chihuahua. 10 - 12 drops for medium dogs. That's like Springer Spaniel. 15 - 20 drops for a large dog. That's like a golden retriever or something bigger, like a big lab, and 20 - 30 drops for anything bigger than than a lab, like a St. Bernard. Okay. And that really helps with any type of bacteria and inflammation in the gastrointestinal tract. A remedy for I would say, acute and chronic pancreatitis that I I love. And the only thing you don't want to use it for dogs that have had seizures, but it's called black currant gemmotherapy. And it's ribes nigrum is its Latin name and you can use it for an anti inflammatory. It is wonderful in chronic cases of pancreatitis along with acute, it helps with inflammation. It is a tonic for the entire digestive system, it increases the immune system. It's really high in antioxidants. And you can use the 1:200 which is what you're mostly find in commercial searches for this it's called black currant gemmotherapy, You will use 8 drops for extra small dogs, 10 - 15 drops for small dogs, 15 - 20 for medium, 20 - 25 for large and 25 - 30 for extra large dogs. and you give that two to three times a day, two times a day for chronic and three times a day for acute. and then you can adjust the doses to see what your dog's doing. Another one that I really love and this is for acute pancreatitis. Okay, so what could be one for a dog like yours, Krista is called European Walnut and this is also a gemmotherapy. Gemmotherapies are based on plant stem cells. So they treat at a cellular level. They're using the embryonic buds and shoots and barks of plants. So this one is from the European walnut tree. And it's really good after and during an acute pancreatic attack. Okay, it helps strengthen the pancreas. It brings down inflammation. It also helps support the liver which we need to do and it helps heal mucous membranes and it also helps regulate insulin in the pancreas. So it helps balance out the blood sugar because sometimes that can be affected during these types of episodes. Another thing I like about it is it helps balance intestinal flora and regulate which is very important. during an acute attack it regulates pancreatic enzyme production. So, you would use a 1:200 gemmotherapy. 8drops for extra small dogs, 10 - 15 drops for small dogs, 15 - 20 for medium, 20 - 25 for large and 25 - 30 for extra large dogs, and that would be given twice daily. Another nice, easy to use remedy is ginger. And these are for dogs that aren't like if you think your dog is a little warm, you don't want to use ginger. But if you don't think if they're not in the Oh yeah, my dog is so warm all the time category. Ginger is really good as you make it as a tea in hot water, let it sit for about 20 to 30 minutes and give just small amounts. Usually dogs will sniff it that are in need of it and actually just drink it. If it's nice and cool. They know that they need it. But the dosage for it would be like one half teaspoon for extra small dogs, One teaspoon for small dogs, Two teaspoons for medium, one tablespoon for large and two tablespoons for extra large and you'd give that as needed. And it really does help with that and sometimes pancreatitis can cause nausea. Another thing for chronic pancreatitis is you always want to help the liver. You can give milk thistle for that. GastroElm uses the milk thistle for chronic pancreatitis. I also like there's a company called Adored Beast. Yes. And I really liked their their Liver Tonic. It's a nice glycerine based liver tonic. with chronic pancreatitis, you always want to make sure you're supporting the liver. So I like to use that as well. Another remedy that is in the https://www.gastroelm.com/ , but can be used for acute and chronic. So you use it by itself for acute. It's slippery elm. And that really helps coat everything it soothes the gastrointestinal mucus, if there's any has been any damage. So it's going to bring down the pain, it's going to support the the GI system. It's safe for long term use in small amounts. And I just really think it's a good one and easy to use at home, you would just make a kind of like a grool by adding just adding a little hot water to the powdered herb and you add a little added at a time so you get a grool. And then you just give it to them by the teaspoon. So one teaspoon for extra small dogs, two teaspoons for small dogs, one tablespoon for medium, two tablespoons for large and three tablespoons for extra large. You kind of give it as needed, you'll you'll notice that it's it helps improve it right away. And it's just a really soothing remedy, especially if again if those enzymes are eating tissue. And let me think if there's anything else to consider, like right off the bat. So that's about it. I mean, those remedies are really good.And when you say give them how are we giving them Is it a tincture? Do we put it in food? Do we put it directly on their gums or in their mouth?Okay, so good question. So for the BlackBerry Leaf, that's a glycerite. you're going to just put it right in your mouth, okay. And the black currant is also a glycerin extract. It has a little a small amount of alcohol and glycerin. You just put it right in their mouth. It tastes actually quite good. Let's see what else other the European walnut is also a liquid right in the mouth. And if your dog won't take it in their mouth, put it on a little treat or in in some type of food. The ginger is a liquid. So that's an infusion, it's like a tea. You're going to put it in the mouth or have them drink it. Milk Thistle. You can use a glycerin extract for that you can put it right in the mouth and as a powder if they're eating you can put it right on the food. slippery elm is going to make a grool. it's kind of like a thick, a thick liquid very thick liquid. You're going to have them drink it or give it to them by the teaspoon. Or you can put it in a little bit of a syringe with a kind of a thick tip.And Rita as we were wrapping up where do we find these herbs? I know you mentioned the Liver Tonic from Adored Beast but the other remedies where do we find them and how do we know we're buying quality products?Okay, so the gemmotherapies depending on where you live, in Europe, you can find them at https://www.santi-shop.eu/en/ In Canada you can go to https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada.html , which is a homeopathy site and get them there. Or you can get them from a company called https://www.herbalgem.fr/en/ . And the ones that I'm talking about on this interview are called 1:200 and they would be on the label. one colon 200 you can get them in In the United States from a company called Gemmo, you can get them from https://www.boironusa.com/ . You can get them from a company called Genestra or you can go to my website at https://www.canineherbalist.com/ , and I can get any of these remedies for someone, they just have to send me an email. And some of them are in my shop. Okay, what do you say that makes it easier just going to you one stop shop? Yeah, some of them are in my shop. If they're not listed, just send me an email. And I have most of them. I use a lot of the Phyto embryonic therapies in my practice, those are some places most people that make most companies that make the gemmotherapies are quality products. Okay, there's not a lot of them out there. So there's, there's a few companies and and most of them are really good. Awesome. The slippery elm and the powdered products, I like to use a company called https://oregonswildharvest.com/ . They make really, they have good sourcing, all of their herbs are organic. And it's Oregon's wild harvest, or a company called HerbPharm also makes good products except for they don't have a lot of the powdered herbs. And then there's https://mountainroseherbs.com/ , which is out of Oregon, they they're wonderful.And just so everybody knows all of these links of all of these companies will be in the show notes. And if I didn't mention it before this interview came out of an article that Rita did in Dogs Naturally Magazine. So I'm gonna include that link in the show notes. So you have her exact protocol, you know how much and when and all of the How to administer all these herbs. So we are about to wrap up any last words Rita on pancreatitis and the healing herbs?I would say just go slow. Always start at the lower dosage and work your way up. And if your dog is in extreme discomfort, bring them to the vet for pain management and fluids, definitely.Great. And in case anybody's interested, Rita is making all of our listeners an amazing offer,. you will get 15% off anything in her online store, 15% off of a consult with her or she has a new energetics course. And that is 15% off one discount per customer. You just have to use the code WOL at Rita's site https://www.canineherbalist.com/. . Rita is that also where they go to find out more information about you and your practice? Yeah, absolutely. Great. So again, https://www.canineherbalist.com/ Rita, thank you so much for being with us and giving us this amazing information. We so appreciate you. Thank you so much.

When looking for a dog to adopt, consider the dog's personality, not just their looks! Katie gives advice to MyTalkers with questions ranging from an overly excitable Springer Spaniel, a Golden Retriever with a suckling problem, and supplements for old cats.

Today we are talking about leadership skills and building resilience with Colonel Caroline Woodbridge-Lewin, MBE of the British Army.  Caroline was commissioned into the Royal Signals in 1995 and has held various Regimental appointments serving in the United Kingdom, USA, Cyprus, Germany, Bosnia and Iraq.  As a staff officer, she has worked within the Special Forces Directorate as a Capability & Acquisition officer, she was Chief of Staff of the Defence Academy and recently assumed the role of Head of the Information Warfare Group.  Amongst all of this she has attained a bachelor's degree and master's degree whilst serving, was the co-Chair of the Army Service Women's Network and is currently Chair of Hut Eighteen, a Defence led Information Warfare Network.  Outside of work she enjoys playing and coaching hockey, cycling, skiing and walking in the hills with her two daughters and Springer Spaniel, Harley. There are so many pearls of wisdom in this episode. A few personal highlights for me are Caroline's thoughts around building resilience – and not being overly critical of ourselves, the need to lead management activity and being very intentional about where she positions herself as a leader… and why. Links Mentioned: Find out more about Caroline's work: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-woodbridge-lewin-mbe-5aa73048/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-woodbridge-lewin-mbe-5aa73048/)  Find out more about Ben's work: https://linktr.ee/BMLeadership (https://linktr.ee/BMLeadership) Book: Who's In Your Personal Boardroom: https://amzn.to/2UfPCtM (https://amzn.to/2UfPCtM)      The Colorado Retreat with Carola Becker and Dr Vikki Barnes   Join nutritionist Carola Becker and psychologist Dr Vikki Barnes for the ski trip of a lifetime in Keystone, Colorado.   Because they are experts in health and wellbeing, this trip will be the kickstart to your healthy year – relax, have fun and learn how you can make wellbeing a part of your daily life!   Vikki will teach you the benefits of positive psychology and mindset whilst Carola will share how food and nutrients increase your performance for clearer thinking and better decision making. A massage therapist will be on hand to help you relax after a long day of skiing. Together, the team will help you to embrace wellbeing and take it home with you after an amazing holiday.    Are you ready for the time of your life?    You can find all the details here: https://www.carolabecker.com/award-winning-retreats/luxury-ski-retreat-in-colorado-20-30-jan-2022 (https://www.carolabecker.com/award-winning-retreats/luxury-ski-retreat-in-colorado-20-30-jan-2022)   For an exclusive 15% discount use the code RETREAT15BM when you book your space!

Our pets are not only family members, they've been a constant for so many of us throughout the last year. And one dog in particular, a Springer Spaniel named Max, not only saved his human from despair, but has been a joy online for tens of thousands of others during the pandemic. Malcolm Brabant reports on the special pooch this National Puppy Day. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

Our pets are not only family members, they've been a constant for so many of us throughout the last year. And one dog in particular, a Springer Spaniel named Max, not only saved his human from despair, but has been a joy online for tens of thousands of others during the pandemic. Malcolm Brabant reports on the special pooch this National Puppy Day. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

Paula Sheridan is an award-winning entrepreneur and the award-winning author of The People's Book Prize for her debut novel, The Grotto's Secret, written under her pen name, Paula Wynne. Harbouring a near-obsessive love of learning the craft of writing, Paula has been scribbling down the stuff in her head ever since she can remember. Paula came up with the idea for Page Turner Awards when she won The People's Book Prize in 2017 and received her award from Sir Frederick Forsyth at a glittering awards ceremony in London. When she's not day-dreaming up plots for new historical thrillers while walking her Springer Spaniel in the Andalusian countryside, she's helping Indie Authors to achieve their dream of seeing the novels in a reader's hands, through her reading community on Book Luver. Paula also blogs about writing techniques and reviews writing books on Writing Goals. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/writingcommunitychatshow/support

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The Australian Shepherd and the Springer Spaniel are both incredibly popular breeds. They have a number of similarities and differences but which would be better for you? Today we compare the 2 breeds.

In Episode 17, Nick and Tyler talk with Team Flusher out of Pennsylvania! Take a listen as Team Flusher talks about pheasant hunting in Pennsylvania with their Springer Spaniel and Labrador Retriever. They talk about how they got started hunting, why they chose the Springer Spaniel as their breed of choice, and more!! Become a Patron for $5/Month to receive larger discounts and be included in giveaways. Find us here or search Ringnecks and Retrievers at patreon.com Check out our Sponsors Gun Dog Outdoors - gundogoutdoors.com use code "Ringnecks" to save 10% Dakota283 - dakota283.com use code "RNR10" to save 10% Cornerstone Gundog Academy - Save $50 - https://www.cornerstonegundogacademy.com/a/39346/oQ3aXZZf

Here on The Fenrir Spaniel Show we make podcasts about man's best friend so if this is your first time here don't forget to subscribe! These videos are made and aimed at adults in a stage of their life to purchase or adopt a dog, we want to help them choose the right breed and become excellent canine leaders to help end the number of dogs that end up in shelters.

Here on The Fenrir Spaniel Show we make podcasts about man's best friend so if this is your first time here don't forget to subscribe! These videos are made and aimed at adults in a stage of their life to purchase or adopt a dog, we want to help them choose the right breed and become excellent canine leaders to help end the number of dogs that end up in shelters.

Here on The Fenrir Labrador Show we make videos about man's best friend so if this is your first time here don't forget to subscribe! These videos are made and aimed at adults in a stage of their life to purchase or adopt a dog, we want to help them choose the right breed and become excellent canine leaders to help end the number of dogs that end up in shelters.

In this episode I explain about the three UK laws which Disney thinks are the most important; and what they mean in practical terms for businesses, services and Assistance Dog handlers. I'll be talking about the Equality Act 2010, Disability Discrimination Act 1992 and the Anti-discrimination Act 1991. (Disney tells me that this sounds like really boring stuff but it's also really important stuff. We have tried to keep it simple and practical)If you want to learn more after you have listened to the podcast, there is an excellent publication called "Assistance Dogs, a Guide for All Businesses." which can be downloaded from here https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/assistance-dogs-a-guide-for-all-businesses.pdf

The archetype of origins is in resurgence since the advent of ancestry-mapping programs. What are the psychological and symbolic meanings of ancestry? Identity is often strongly linked to ancestry in its ethnic and cultural aspects, and as the carrier of personal traits. Genealogy gives rise to meaning-making narratives such as: I get my talent for storytelling from my Irish forebears. Jung knew that family complexes are handed down when he said, “Psychologically, the central point of a human personality is the place where the ancestors are reincarnated.” Genograms, another mapping technique, allow us to trace those intellectual and emotional family patterns. Every individual rests on a historical foundation of family, tribe, clan, and nation—and, at levels below consciousness, we are also affected by our common roots in the primeval past and the mysterious central fire of life. In order to differentiate from this multi-layered context, it can help to know it.   Dream I was in a quaint English village. Next to the village ran a river, and on the other side of this river were fields. A traditional Cotswold stone bridge joined both sides of this river. Suddenly, I seemed to be competing in some sort of local race. I was competing in this race against 2 friends/girls (unknown to me). I remember pushing myself past one of the girls to place first in this race. I remember feeling a little self-conscious of the fact that I had not let this friend of mine win, and hoped that she didn't think I was being a "dick". The race centered and finished around the bridge joining both sides of the river. As I stood on this bridge and looked down at the river, I noticed a dog (possibly a Springer Spaniel) was drowning. I felt a strong urge to save this dog, and felt sad that it was in such distress. As I looked on in horror I noticed some netting was beginning to cover the surface of the river (a bit like when you cover a pond or swimming pool). I knew at that point the dog was going to die, as it could no longer come up for air. I could hear sirens in the distance, which seemed to indicate both the possibility of help and danger in the form of police sirens (something/someone coming to reprimand me). It was forbidden to jump in the river but I did it anyway. I pulled the dog out of the river, at which point I noticed it had morphed into a Seal. I began to care for this Seal, and in doing so, it again morphed in to a small, podgy young boy. I held the young boy in my arms, and I told myself, "I'd do it all again despite the potential danger". I was relieved I had saved the dog - seal - young boy. There was a sense of heroic accomplishment. References: Monica McGoldrick: source of multiple books on genograms (Amazon).

This season is all about the Ops Squad!You'll get to hear from the top operations folks in the industry who I'm fortunate enough to have creating incredible workflows in the shop for us.This week is Ellie McBride, a productivity badass and I’m here to assist you in taking your business and career to the next level. You don't have to do it all alone. In life and in business, it can often feel like there's never enough time in the day. With my help you will have the time to focus on the stuff you love and are great at - meaning you can finally get back to providing your unique talents to your valuable customers.In January 2018, I launched as a VA to help solopreneurs finally make the time to scale and grow the businesses they’ve put so much time and energy into. My years of administrative experience and love of tools, systems, and workflows that allow my clients to free up time and energy made the field of virtual assistance a no brainer!But why did I want to get into a virtual career in the first place? Well, after moving across the world to be with my handsome Northern Irish husband, I found it difficult to find the time and flexibility to spend much time home in Oregon with my friends and family. Just like my clients, I’m building my business from the ground up to have everything I’ve ever wanted out of my life.When not serving clients, you’ll find me hanging out with my adopted Springer Spaniel, Bailey or trying to hunt down the best craft beer in Belfast.Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CalibratedConcepts/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calibratedconcepts/Website: https://www.calibratedconcepts.com/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This week I am joined by Jim Giacobbe, the founder and owner of Briar Ridge Springers, of California. Jim is one of the most passionate Springer Spaniel breeders and hunters that I know. Jim and I talk about the history of the breed, how Jim's dogs are different than most other Springers and why everyone needs to hunt upland birds with a Springer!        ________________________________________________________ Briar Ridge Springer Website:  https://briarridgespringers.com www.facebook.com/briarridgespringers www.instagram.com/briarridgespringers ________________________________________________________ Apex Ammunition makes the hardest hitting TSS upland loads available. Follow the link below for more information:  https://www.apexmunition.com/?rfsn=2712252.d26d21 www.facebook.com/elevateyourgameradio.com www.instagram.com/elevateyourgameradio 

Véro est parisienne, et Djackpot est un beau Springer Spaniel de 10 ans. Il a la chance d'aller presque tous les matins au Bois de Vincennes, et c'est là que nous nous sommes rencontrés, pour mon plus grand bonheur! Enjoy! Pour suivre Dogs Dehors : http://instagram.com/dogsdehors http://facebook.com/dogsdehors Music by Belair from Fugue

Summary: Julie Daniels has worked with dogs her whole life. In fact, she learned to walk by holding on to a German Shepherd. Today she is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She was one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, NH and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, NH. Julie is well known as a premier teacher at all levels of play— She has competed, titled and won with all sorts of dogs through the years, including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She is the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix finals with a Rottie or a Springer, and she did it two times each. She is also a two-time national champion and a two-time international champion. Links: Leave FDSA A Voicemail! We're collecting questions for our annual anniversary edition! Have a question for an instructor? Leave it here! Next Episode: To be released 12/21/2018, we'll be sharing several student stories! 

When a technical glitch delay's Jay's intended interview from happening, his Springer Spaniel, Wesley stands in and gives an unexpectedly free-wheeling, revealing, at times testy interview that ends up being cathartic for both dog and master. Plus other 2 new Scooter's Regrets and other doggie surprises!

Summary: Julie Daniels has worked with dogs her whole life. In fact, she learned to walk by holding on to a German Shepherd. Today she is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She was one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, NH, and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, NH. Julie is well known as a premier teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled and won with all sorts of dogs throughout the years, including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She is the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix finals with a Rottie or a Springer, and she did it two times each. She is also a two-time national champion and a two-time international champion. Next Episode:  To be released 9/14/2018. TRANSCRIPTION: Melissa Breau: This is Melissa Breau and you're listening to the Fenzi Dog Sports Podcast brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy, an online school dedicated to providing high-quality instruction for competitive dog sports using only the most current and progressive training methods. Today we’ll be talking to Julie Daniels. Julie has worked with dogs her whole life. In fact, she learned to walk by holding on to a German Shepherd. Today she is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She was one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, NH, and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, NH. Julie is well known as a premier teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled and won with all sorts of dogs throughout the years, including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She is the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix finals with a Rottie or a Springer, and she did it two times each. She is also a two-time national champion and a two-time international champion. Hey Julie! Welcome to the podcast. Julie Daniels: Hi Melissa. So glad to be back with you! Melissa Breau: I’m glad to have you! To start us out, can you just share a little bit of information about the dogs in your life right now and what you’re working on with them? Julie Daniels: Oh yeah, everybody’s favorite question. My current pack is just three Border Collies. I have one who’ll be 13 very, very soon, and she does whatever she wants, completely spoiled, it’s just wonderful to see. She’s doing great. And my competition dog is now 10 years old, which seems impossible to believe. I’ve just moved him down from Championship to Performance and Preferred level so that he can jump a lower jump height. But he’s doing great and we’re having a ball. And I have a youngster named Koolaid, whom anybody who takes my classes has been following now since the last couple of years. She’s just turned 3, and she’s dynamite and so challenging and fun to train. Always has been, always will be. She keeps me young, keeps me getting smarter, keeps my chops honed every single day. So those are my three Border Collies. Melissa Breau: I wanted to talk today about canine confidence. Can you define what confidence is when it comes to our dogs? Julie Daniels: Oh boy. Confidence can be so elusive, and I also find confidence in dogs and people both to be very elastic. It sort of comes and goes, and they look great, and then all of a sudden we’re shrinking because something makes us feel insecure, and sometimes it’s not environmental, it’s mental. So confidence is tough to define, but let’s consider confidence to be a sense of personal well-being felt by the dog. How does that sound? Melissa Breau: That certainly makes sense to me. Julie Daniels: In other words, an optimism that all will be well. Melissa Breau: If that’s our definition, what are the differences between a confident dog and a not confident dog? Why is that confidence so important for dog sports and stuff we want to be doing with our dogs? Julie Daniels: I think it’s so important, because the world throws us curve balls on a regular basis and life does not go as expected. When that happens to the confident dog, as it will every single day pretty much, the confidence of some dogs carries through a sense of wellbeing and optimism that all will be all right when the world surprises them. A dog who is not confident doesn’t feel that way. I think what happens is a dog who has an internal or higher level of confidence tends to say, “Oh boy, what is that?” when he sees something unexpected, and that’s of course what we’re trying to develop. The dog who is not confident, whether it be in the moment or whether it be an overall set point, that dog tends to say, “Oh no, what is that?” So there are the two extremes: “Oh boy, something new!” “Oh no, I’ve never seen that before!” Those are the two extremes between the dog who has the wellbeing, the optimism, afforded by internal confidence versus the dog who has a much lower confidence set point. Melissa Breau: How much of that is just innate — who the dog is — versus something you can train or teach? Julie Daniels: Tough question, but not as tough a question as it used to be, because we know that quite a bit is innate, and we also know … actually, if I can borrow from research done on humans, we know for a fact that human beings can reset their confidence set point, their happiness set point, their optimism set point. We can rewire and reframe in humans. And certainly it’s the same in dogs. You can see overall changes in the confidence set point and the happiness set point as you work with these problems, so it’s not a life sentence. If the innate set point is low in terms of confidence, happiness, optimism, all these things which we want for our dogs in their lives, there is so, so much we can do. Thanks to research on humans via, let’s say, SPECT analysis and many other brain work, we can measure the activity centers and the levels of involvement in different areas of the brain, and we can know for a fact that it’s quite possible to reset and rewire even, neurologically, the happiness and confidence and joy centers in the brain. So we can change, for our dogs as well as for ourselves, we can change the hand that we were dealt with. It is quantifiable and measurable, at least in humans, that many, many people have successfully done so. So it’s not something that is fated, if your dog happens to have been born less confident than you would like. Melissa Breau: That’s really interesting. I hadn’t realized there was research that’s been done on that in people. That’s neat. Julie Daniels: Let me make mention of my personal favorite book, which is definitely a layperson’s book. It’s by Daniel Amen, M.D. Dr. Amen is one of the leading experts in the world on SPECT analysis of the brain in humans, and his book is quite amazing. Change Your Brain, Change Your Life. Melissa Breau: Interesting. Julie Daniels: Well worth looking up. Melissa Breau: For those who are starting out with a dog that’s a little on the less confident side, where do you start? What does that type of training look like? How do you help them reset their brain? Julie Daniels: Well, it goes without saying, but it should be mentioned: there are no mistakes. We don’t call out mistakes on a dog who already is harder on himself than any of us would ever be. I think that’s probably the best start point is there are no mistakes. Anything that the dog offers is going to be well received and reinforced. It’s not simple, and yet it is that simple. We want to build the dog’s feelings of wellbeing first, so no mistakes. By that I mean anything that the dog offers is by definition correct and reinforceable. That’s where to start. And this is in daily life. This is not a measure of “I told you to do this,” or “I told you to do that.” I’m not talking about training. I’m talking about anything the dog offers in daily life. Melissa Breau: What does that look like? Can you walk me through an example? Julie Daniels: I would want to help any dog of any age who feels insecure. I would want to help that dog become attracted to life. To, let’s say, novelty. So one of the things that I advise people to do all the time, and I’m just saying this over and over and over, it’s so easy to do, and it’s amazing that days go by and we don’t think to do it. When your dog lacks confidence, you should make a habit of taking beloved familiar items around your house and putting them in unfamiliar places. That is the first step toward developing attraction for novelty. That’s what we want. Remember when I said earlier we’re trying to develop the dog’s ability to say, “Oh boy, what is that?” and we currently have a dog that says, “Oh no, what is that?” So by taking beloved items … they can’t be just neutral items. They really should be things that the dog already enjoys, for example, his food bowl. There’s a good one. Put it on your head. Just put it upside-down on your head after you’ve washed it. There you are, standing in the kitchen, washing the dog food bowls, and your dog’s probably going to be interested in that because it’s a beloved item, a familiar and well-trusted item, and there you go, you just put it upside-down on your head. Perfect. Do something like that every single day. Pretty soon, when you make yourself do it every day, pretty soon you’re doing it ten times a day because it’s just fun. Melissa Breau: Makes you laugh. Julie Daniels: But you forget, if you don’t make it a conscious effort initially, and sometimes you’ll think at the end of the day, Well, what did I show this dog that was different in a positive way, that was unexpected and novel in a positive way? Because obviously if you’ve scared him, you haven’t done any good. So it’s got to be a beloved item, and it’s got to be put in a novel place but a familiar place. We’re not talking about taking it on the road, because you said, “Where do you start?” You start at home. You start in a comfortable, happy place. Melissa Breau: If you put that food bowl on your head, are you then going to get lower so that the dog can sniff you and sniff the bowl? Julie Daniels: That’s a great idea! See? You’re good at this already! Yeah, that’s a great idea. But play that by ear, Melissa, because if your dog said, “Oh no, what is that?” then that’s a mistake. But if your dog said, “Hey, that’s my food bowl,” now it’s perfect, and I think what you said is just great: scootch right down. You don’t need to say anything. This is one thing that I think is difficult to do. We want to talk our dogs into something: “Come and check it out.” And that really is not what you should do. You should allow the dog to show you whether he’s interested or curious enough to come and see it. Anything that he offers you is reinforceable, even if he decides to leave the room. And the best reinforcement if he backs away would be what? What would the absolute best reinforcement you could give him if he backs away, because that’s not really what you intended to do, because you realize that unexpectedly you’re on the wrong side of confidence. So what it’s very important for you to do, if he shows you that he’s actually concerned, is take it off immediately. I would say take the food bowl off your head, put it right side up, put it on the floor between you, and say nothing. Allow your dog to make a decision to be attracted to his beloved food bowl in this new context of it being on the floor “where it belongs.” Now you can have your reinforceable event and you’re not going to cause a problem. I think very often, it happens so very often, either with young puppies or generally with dogs who lack confidence, I think so often we mean well, but we scare them. Melissa Breau: Because they’re already not sure about things, and we’re throwing novel things at them, and that can be intimidating. Julie Daniels: Yes. Melissa Breau: I know a lot of people who wouldn’t appreciate being put in front of a full room to give a presentation, because that’s one of the things that makes them feel not confident. Julie Daniels: Yeah, I think so. Melissa Breau: Would you mind sharing maybe one of the other exercises that you use to help build confidence, or a little bit more on how you work on that with them? Julie Daniels: Attraction to novelty, I think, is fundamentally first. That really is where to start. But let’s look at once we’ve made a few inroads, and now, in addition to being able to put the food bowl on your head and your dog thinks that’s funny, now you switch to a colander and you’ve got other things on your head. So I think once you’ve got an inroad made with your dog, I think the next thing for me is substrates. Now you want to put things under foot and allow your dog to feel them. It’s not just about “Oh my gosh, plastic is so hard,” and “Tarps make a lot of noise,” and “Bubble wrap — oh no.” It’s not just about that. It’s about things that might feel different neurologically. For example, when I started working with a teacher in canine fitness, my little Koolaid didn’t like the nubby Paw Pods. Anybody who’s done any fitness work knows about those little nubbies on the various pieces of equipment. They almost always have them, and she just didn’t like that at all. This is in general quite a confident, self-assured puppy, but those things, boy, she just didn’t like the nubbies, and so of course being the mom I am, I thought, Well, why don’t I just teach her the skills on smooth surfaces first, and then we’ll transfer to nubbies, which would sound like a logical progression, but I was advised against it for a very important reason, which I have internalized and embraced. And that is those little nubbies are actually very important stimulators neurologically, and so we want the feet to be on the nubbies. I really took that to heart and went with it, and I am so glad that I did. Just so you know the end of the story, Koolaid loves the nubbies and can pound onto four Pods, pretty much stick the landing, and is very happy beyond the nubbies. But it was a process getting her used to it. But that sort of fits the good advice that I was given from very good teachers who have the eye and have the chops to guide me in my canine fitness classes. That sort of thinking fits perfectly with how I feel about substrate training to build confidence. You want obviously to start with things that are relatively non-threatening to that particular dog. Some dogs need to start with smooth surfaces. Plastic, for example, meaning hard, molded plastic. It just feels different and is smooth underfoot. Other dogs would do better to start with crinkled-up paper inside a box or shredded paper. Some dogs are a long ways away from being able to step on empty water bottles, and other dogs just jump into the kiddie pools full of empty water bottles. So it’s a continuum as to who likes what. Remember you said earlier about it’s so a dog can be confident about one thing but not another thing. Well, look at little Koolaid who didn’t like the nubbies, but boy, she loves empty water bottles. And normal, everyday grinding sounds that many dogs are offended by, she was actually attracted to going in. So you never know. We all have different feelings about substrates, and I think one of the best things you can do as a second step after novelty would be to introduce and to find out the hierarchy of what feels good to your dog under foot and what feels a little bit concerning to your dog under foot, and try to build … not just tolerance, I don’t work with tolerance, but try to work for attraction to these things that might be concerning to your dog initially. So substrates come after novelty. Melissa Breau: I want to talk about that just a little bit more. Some dogs definitely seem confident in a lot of situations, like you mentioned Koolaid, but they’re terribly unconfident in other situations, or in a particular setup, or something. I was curious how common that is, and how someone can work to break apart one of those more complex cases to figure out what it is that they’re actually seeing, what it is that the dog is maybe not so sure about. Julie Daniels: It’s very common, and what is more, it’s very normal. I think probably most of us have little things that are harder for us than they are for other people, and little things that other people find difficult which we find easy. So I don’t think it’s the least bit strange. I think it’s to be expected. I do find that if you have a dog who’s in general a little bit more reserved, it’s tempting to assume he’s reserved about everything, and that’s not necessarily the case either. So it could be that you just need to explore and experiment with what kinds of things do bother this dog, and what kinds of things is this dog a little bit more self-assured about. By that I mean he has an optimistic sense when he goes toward it that this might be a good thing. When you see that in your dog, I think you want to make note of it, that your dog is not afraid of everything. Many people who think their dogs are afraid of everything are just plain wrong about that. And if you don’t give the dog a chance at this early level that you and I are talking about, then you really won’t know where your dog’s strengths do lie, and almost every dog has some. Melissa Breau: So, I’m going to take the next step here. I know we’re planning a rerun of your webinar on all of this stuff on building canine confidence. That’s what inspired me to bring up the topic to do a podcast about it. Can you share a little bit on what you cover in that webinar? Maybe who might want to take it? Julie Daniels: I hope everybody will take it! First of all, it makes me so proud and happy that I work for a person who values the quality of the webinar, the quality of the recording of the webinar, so much that she is going to give this webinar to the people who bought it the first time for free, because the audio — my fault, not your fault, Melissa — was absolutely terrible, and it was not what it should have been. So you and I have been practicing, you’ve coached me on where to be, and you and I have been playing with the microphone to make sure. I bought a better microphone, I have a better setup, and I know that the audio will not fail this next round. But it just makes me so happy that I get another crack at this, Melissa. That I’m going to get a chance to present the material in a way that everybody can hear it the way I intended it to be heard. And the fact that my boss is somebody who wants everybody who bought it the first time to have the benefit of this improved recording production values makes me so happy. So I hope everybody will tune in, of course. We will be talking about the various things that we can do to help dogs who feel insecure, and we’ll be talking about what’s that look like, what does it mean. We’ll pretty much take off running with the kinds of questions that you’re asking me here today. We’ll be talking about creating attraction to novelty, and we’ll be talking about building of course a positive conditioned emotional response. The all-important CER that everybody talks about these days has so much to do with whether the dog is able to work on confidence in the first place. So this initial attraction, this initial feeling of wellbeing becomes a baseline of optimism so that the dog can feel happy about coming into training situations expecting to do well. It means a lot to me. The next step is really that we want to build initiative. The subject of this webinar, building canine confidence, is way too broad. But we’re zeroing in on two factors: initiative and self-reliance. After we’ve talked a little bit about the baselines that you and I are talking about, we’re going to talk about building initiative as a major force in helping dogs become more confident and rewiring their brains to change their confidence set point and their happiness set point even, if you will. So building initiative, obviously in small steps, and the first steps will vary from dog to dog, as we’ve already talked about. But all first steps should come from a feeling that all will be well. That’s what we’re after, that positive CER, and maintaining that positive conditioned emotional response as we go forward and ask the dog to experiment in the world with more and more novel stimuli. I think I also will be talking a little bit about how it’s OK if the confidence of the team, the dog-person team, originates with the handler. I know many, many successful dogs in sports, and I’ve had several myself, who would not be able to run with anyone else, for example. And I know obviously many dogs who don’t much care who they run with. They just want to run, and if they get good information from their handlers, so much the better, but the game is so much fun and it has value of its own. But it doesn’t have to be that way in order for a dog to be successful, no matter what the sport is. Obviously my sport is agility, but I don’t think it matters. I’ve seen many, many, many teams where the dog gets that initial charge of confidence from the handler, the leader if you will, and then from there it just energizes and snaps, and you can see that teamwork, that confidence, being passed back and forth from the dog to the handler. And they reinforce each other as they go, whatever the sport may be. So I want to build that for people and their dogs, and it’s so very doable for us to be able to help dogs in that way and build a team using these kinds of exercises to build confidence. So I have several fun things to do along the way that make that much easier, including we raise the dog’s energy level, very important, motion builds confidence. I have people feeding in motion rather than, “Oh, we’re done. Now let’s stop and eat.” I don’t do it that way. I feed in motion because movement gets the brain working, movement helps optimism, movement builds confidence, believe it or not. It’s very important. I also work hard to put the dog, if you will, in his prefrontal cortex, since we were talking about the brain earlier. But if you consider it a continuum from the unconscious reactions to the conscious reactions, the dog who has a low confidence set point is, generally speaking, operating from the limbic system, is operating where fear resides, operating where the “Oh no” resides. What we want to do is bring him forward into his rational brain so he can be engaged with his brain, he can use his brain to solve problems in a constructive way. So here’s where we absolutely need the dog to welcome novelty rather than shrink from novelty, so that the dog can predict fun and predict happiness as he comes forward into a novel task, a novel presentation in the world, whatever it be. And then we talk in the webinar a good deal about choice and control, how important those things are, how important it is to let the dog make decisions, to give the dog choices all along the way. Not just with the end goal behavior, but all along the training continuum the dog should be able to make small choices and find that every single choice is reinforceable. The whole bit about breaking things down into small pieces, as you said, part of the beauty of being able to break things down into small pieces is that the dog gets to make all these tiny choices and every single choice is reinforceable. It’s a wonderful thing for the dog to learn how successful he can really be. So yeah, we might have an end goal behavior, and we’re breaking it down for that reason, but we really should be vested in the process rather than the outcome, and we should be thinking of this as, “He’s going to get to make twenty little choices, twenty correct choices, in the next two minutes, and that is plenty for this one session, and then we’ll come back and do it some more.” Melissa Breau: That’s awesome, and I think that explains to people both what your approach is for this, and gives them a little bit of insight into what they can expect to learn even more about if they join for the webinar. I also wanted to ask you about the other thing you have coming up, which is your new Magic Mat class. Can you share a little on what the class will cover and what kinds of problems those skills help with? Julie Daniels: Oh boy, yeah, let’s change the subject. This is a new class, which I’ve just been designing over the summer. It’s called Magic Mat: Where to be, when to go, and what to do. But it really is more broad than that. Magic Mat is a good, catchy name, and everybody knows me for my dedication to matwork, and certainly mats will be covered. But it’s really about what I call placement props – stations and platforms. So yes, we will cover some targeting and perch work and matwork, for sure, but we’re also doing platforms and stations and boundary training and that kind of thing, all by dog’s choice. So all kinds of methods and problem-solving techniques based on where to be. I put up a picture in the course description today. I put in my front yard, in my door yard, driveway, I literally hauled out a whole bunch of stations and platforms and targets and various things, a perch or two, that I use around the house on a regular basis. I put them in my front yard and took a picture, honestly, because I want people to understand that (a) you need a variety and (b) you’ve got this stuff around your house. Everybody’s got something. You don’t have to buy an expensive item, a Klimb table. One of my favorite raised stations is a wooden pallet that I got for free, and I put a yoga mat on it. It’s very common in my class for people to use a chair, a sling chair, a canvas chair because we take those to the shows all the time, so it’s very handy to have your dog trained to hang out on your chair. Not that you would leave them there, that’s not really what I mean, while you go have a Pepsi. But it’s a hangout place with you so that the dog can hang out with you in a comfortable and confident way without disconnecting. It’s a place to relax, a place to be, and a place to, for example, wait your turn or wait for something exciting to happen or be polite during dinner. That’s a good one. We use stations here for that. It’s not taught by “You have to go to your station, now stay.” That’s the opposite of anything I would do. It’s taught around … here, I’ll just give you an example of how on earth would you train your dog to go wait in a certain place while you’re having dinner and just hang out there, and do it all the time.   My now 13-year-old was instrumental in choosing her own place to wait during dinner, and she chose this very cushy armchair in the other room, the living room, being right next to the dining room. All of a sudden the other dogs were a little bit closer, and I noticed that she was over there in the living room, on this chair, with her adorable little chin coming over the top of the chair, “Hello, anyone, anyone?” So I decided, OK, she’s getting some macaroni. So I just got up from the table, walked over, and gave her a piece of macaroni. That’s awesome for her to decide. My friend from Virginia used to say, “Go long. Teach them to go long.” Instead of being the dog who’s bugging the people, be the dog who’s out in the backfield, and good stuff will be thrown to you. So that’s how I treated her, and that’s how she taught herself to station on a chair in the other room when we were eating. Isn’t that clever? So dog’s choice is a big component. For example, where I live now, in quarters that are a lot smaller, I have set up a couple of stations which I think will work fine during dinner, and I’ll let the dogs tell me whether I’m right nor not right. They will hang out, they’ll tend to go to the station and usually sit. One of my dogs would always choose down over sit. That’s fine. A default sit is what I’m developing in Koolaid, and so she would be more apt to sit on the station. But they can do whatever they want. This is a place where they are allowed to show patience in hopefulness of being rewarded. I will admit out loud, here and now, that I am a person who would toss a piece of macaroni to the dog on the station. Perhaps you wouldn’t do that, so that’s fine. You’ll develop your own reinforcement delivery systems. But we’ll talk about things like variable interval reinforcement, and some of the things about how to develop duration by dog’s choice, because it’s not always that easy when good things are going on. So in this class we’ll do things like take turns. We will use stations so that one dog is a waiting dog and one dog is a working dog, and then we switch back and forth. I’ll talk about things like, How do you do that by dog’s choice? Does waiting need to pay more than working? I can use my own example of two brilliant agility dogs, Sport and Colt, who were very good at taking turns in this way. All of a sudden one day, I noticed a funny thing in Sport. I went to trade dogs and it was going to be Colt’s turn to wait on the station and Sport’s turn to work. As I made the switch, I saw in Sport’s face, as I said his name, I saw him say with his face, “Oh, OK, I wanted to be the waiting dog.” Of course he came out and looked pretty happy to have a turn. However, why did he want to be the waiting dog? Dogs don’t lie. Why was it a disappointment for him to hear that it was his turn? You’ve got to look at those things, and in my family it was very clear: Sport had to be paid more for working and less for waiting, and Colt had to be paid more for waiting and less for working. It was much harder for Colt to wait. But in Sport’s case, once he learned what a great deal, a better deal, I had made waiting than working, guess what: “Actually, I’d rather be the waiting dog, if you don’t mind. If it’s all the same to you, just throw 17 cookies over here by the station, and Colt can have another turn.” So you’ve got to go dog by dog, and you’ve got to be prepared to switch it up, as I had to do. Over time, the dog is a member of that thinking, working team, and the dog is going to have opinions, and the dog’s feelings are going to develop as the game goes along and the dog becomes an expert in the game. So be prepared. It’s a two-way feedback system. All training should be a two-way feedback system. Learn from your dog as the game goes on, and listen to what he’s saying about how it’s going to play. Such fun, it is so much fun to use placement props. And of course if you’re interested in the TEAM Foundations training, I’m terribly interested in that, I absolutely love it. I don’t know that I’ll ever go for TEAM titles, although I guess why not? But I don’t think they’re necessary in order to get the utmost out of the program. Denise did a podcast at one point, maybe you remember it, about TEAM, and one of the things that she mentioned still resonates with me. I still advise my students to do it. She said, “If you’re having trouble in obedience,” she of course was talking about obedience, but I’m not, I’m talking about agility, the exact same thing applies. She said, “If you’re having trouble with some of the advanced exercises in obedience, just take …” I think she said a week, maybe she said two weeks, but “take that time off from all that advanced training and just do the exercises from TEAM 1, Level 1, and then go back to your advanced work and see if you don’t notice improvement.” Well, I heard that and decided I’m going to do that with my agility people, and it was such a resounding success for the exact same reason. TEAM Foundations is for all sports. It’s not just for obedience. I don’t think it’s sport-specific at all. And much of TEAM training benefits from good station work, good platform work, good targeting skills, perch work, all kinds of really fun challenges that use what I’m calling placement platforms. Yeah, where to be, when to go, and what to do is the whole concept of this Magic Mat class, and we’ll use lots of fun things. Please, anybody who’s interested, go to the course description and click on the … I think it’s called Prerequisites and Supplies. Click on that tab to see the picture of all the cool stuff that I dragged out into my front yard, which is a subset of all the many different training props and placement platforms that I use around my own house in my everyday training. So you don’t need anything fancy. I will want you to develop a station before class so you come to class ready with a target and with a perch and with a station and with a platform. It’s not hard. We’ll be talking about that before the class actually begins on October 1. So between the week and a half or two weeks between registration and the beginning of class you’ll have lots of chance to talk about what you’d like to build or make or find, or what’s the best dimension and size for your size dog. We gear the platforms, we gear the stations, to the size of each dog, so there are some good rules of thumb to go by, and we’ll be talking about those before the class gets going. So it’ll be busy. All my classes are busy. I like them like that. There’s lots to talk about and lots of fun along the way as we see what the dog has to say about each game that we play. It’s a very, very fun process. Melissa Breau: For folks who have already taken some of your other classes, which I know you do some matwork in some of those, can you talk about the difference between what they learn in that class and what the new material in this class will dive into and what you’re planning to cover? Julie Daniels: I will cover matwork in Magic Mat. With a name like Magic Mat, I think you have to. But I’m best known for my matwork. In Week 1 of the Magic Mat class, we will do both Step 1 and Step 2 of my four-step Magic Mat protocol, so we’ll go through it a little bit more quickly. The class I’m doing now, Cookie Jar Games, dives deeply into matwork, and likewise in Baby Genius I actually go through the different steps at length. But in this Magic Mat class we will do all four steps of matwork, but we don’t dive into it quite as deeply because we have so many other kinds of placement props to use. But matwork is one of my dearest loves and really is a foundation behavior for any dog that I raise. And any dog that comes here for board and train learns matwork as well. I think it’s that powerful a motivator for the dogs. Melissa Breau: If somebody’s listening to this and trying to decide if it’s the right class for them, do you have anything on who should take the class, what kind of guidance you can give for that? Julie Daniels: Sure. I guess you could call it a concept class, because it’s a patience class. Some dogs lose confidence when they’re forced to wait, and some dogs just fry their brains over how difficult it is to wait. So it’s very compatible with people who have problems with impulse control in their dogs. For example, the dinner example that I gave is a good one. If your dog can’t hang out politely, if you have to lock your dogs away whenever you want to eat something, this is a very good class for you. It wouldn’t hurt the over-eager door greeter, either, to do a little station work. It’s very helpful for them. In my limited experience with reactive dogs, station training is very, very helpful in giving them a secure place to be where nobody will bother them. So I think it could be useful for that, but I’m not an expert in that and will not be diving into that specifically. But in terms of impulse control, I think it’s a great class for dogs who need impulse control. I think it’s a great class for confidence building and for training that is all about hurry up and wait: “We’re not going to go yet, and now you have to wait, and now we’re going to go now, and I need you at full energy now.” A lot of dogs who once you institute a pause, a major pause, in the action, inertia wins and now the dog has a great deal of trouble getting back up to full energy. This class is very good for that as well, because the “when to go” builds anticipation along with patience, and raises the value of the exercise that’s going to come after the station work is completed rep by rep. It actually builds the dog’s enthusiasm for the work at hand as well. So I think it does a lot of good for dogs who tend to get bored with training, and I think it has a lot to offer dogs who need impulse control in their training. Melissa Breau: Gotcha. Awesome. I’ve got one last question for you, Julie. It’s the question I’m asking all of my guests at the end lately. What’s something you’ve learned or been reminded of recently when it comes to dog training? Julie Daniels: Oh gosh, that’s way too easy. It just hit me over the head this past weekend. I don’t get to show all that often in agility anymore, and my competition dog, Sport, who is now 10, is a pro. Thankfully, he’s still going strong, and we’re having a lot of fun whenever we do get to get out to an agility trial. I got to trial this past weekend, not every day of the weekend, but two days out of three, and all of a sudden it became glaringly apparent that I had no start line. Here I am doing start line work on a regular basis in all my classes, in person and online. OK, I guess I haven’t trained that lately, but the dog is such a pro it would never have crossed my mind that my start line would break. But everything breaks. Everything breaks. Behavior doesn’t stay the same when you don’t work on it. So that’s the lesson. We don’t stay in the same place when we stop training. We go backwards. That’s the way it is. And here’s me leading out on the outside of a curve because I have such a good start line, and my dog passed me going 90 miles an hour. I was able to save that run by having him wait in his contact, which drew uproarious barking from him. He thought that was about the stupidest assignment he’d ever heard. But he did wait, and I got around the corner and was able to complete the opening. Not pretty. But that’s the lesson, boy, it just hit me like a ton of bricks over the weekend, like, Hmm, better do a little start line work with your pro dog, because nothing stays fixed if you don’t work on it. You have to constantly maintain all these foundation behaviors that you think you have control of. Anyway, so that was my lesson, and boy, nobody had more fun with that than all my students who were at the show. Melissa Breau: I’m sure you shared your lesson, and I’m sure they’ll take it to heart, right? Julie Daniels: I hope so. I can only hope so, yes. Melissa Breau: Thank you so much for coming back on the podcast Julie! It was great to chat again. Julie Daniels: Likewise, Melissa. Thanks for having me. Such fun to talk to you. Melissa Breau: And thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in! We’ll be back next week with Sarah Stremming and Leslie Eide to talk about raising a performance puppy. If you haven’t already, subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. CREDITS: Today’s show is brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy. Special thanks to Denise Fenzi for supporting this podcast. Music provided royalty-free by BenSound.com; the track featured here is called “Buddy.” Audio editing provided by Chris Lang and transcription written by CLK Transcription Services. Thanks again for tuning in -- and happy training!

Summary: Julie Daniels has worked with dogs her whole life. In fact, she learned to walk by holding on to a German Shepherd. She is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She was one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, NH, and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, NH. Julie is well known as a premier teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled, and won with all sorts of dogs through the years, including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She is the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix finals with a Rottie or a Springer, and she did it two times each. She is also a two-time national champion and a two-time international champion. Links Kool Kids Agility White Mountain Agility Next Episode:  To be released 4/06/2018, featuring Dr. Jessica Hekman to talk about building a performance dog. TRANSCRIPTION: Melissa Breau: This is Melissa Breau, and you're listening to the Fenzi Dog Sports Podcast brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy, an online school dedicated to providing high-quality instruction for competitive dog sports using only the most current and progressive training methods. Today we'll be talking to Julie Daniels. Julie has worked with dogs her whole life. In fact, she learned to walk by holding on to a German Shepherd. She is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She was one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, NH, and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, NH. Julie is well known as a premier teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled, and won with all sorts of dogs through the years, including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She is the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix finals with a Rottie or a Springer, and she did it two times each. She is also a two-time national champion and a two-time international champion. Hi Julie! Welcome to the podcast. Julie Daniels: Hi Melissa. Melissa Breau: To jump into things, can you just share a little bit of information about the dogs you currently share your life with and what you're working on with them? Julie Daniels: I have three Border Collies at this time, and my oldest, who is 12-and-a-half — don't tell her that — she recently injured herself. She tore the collateral ligament in her knee. That's a long rehab, and although she's 12, it is very difficult to keep her down. But my best friend is Karen Kay, who is an expert in rehab for both people and for dogs, a fitness expert, so we're diligently bringing Boss back, slowly but surely. But it's tough. Even at 12-and-a-half, if a dog is used to taking a lot of activity and getting a lot of exercise, it's very, very difficult to tone that down and do specific things. But anyway, that's my 12-year-old. My 10-year-old is Sport, and he's a finished product. He likes training as much as anybody. It's just a pleasure to live with and to show he's quite the guy. My youngster, now 2-and-a-half, is Kool-Aid, and I'm having a lot of fun with her. Kool-Aid has been a Fenzi-ite her entire life, so she's one of the stars, even in Baby Genius and also in Adolescent Sport Dogs. She's just a pleasure to work with and train. You'll see a lot of her. Melissa Breau: Awesome. I know here at FDSA one of the things you're perhaps most well known for is your “Genius” series. I know a big part of those classes — and all of your classes, really — is about building confidence. Can you share a little bit about why that's so critical for young dogs and maybe how you go about it? Julie Daniels: Right off the bat in puppyhood, we want our dogs to feel excited about the environment. We want them to do a couple of things. We want to nurture curiosity so that they feel attraction for novelty, which is the natural puppy trait. It is something they were born with — puppies are born curious — so I feel it's up to us to nurture that; yes, to guide it and direct it, but not to lose it. Don't lose that curiosity. Not so different from human children, I think. That's a very important thing. The other thing we want to do is develop a small measure of self-reliance in very young dogs so that they offer interaction with the world. And that gives us a chance to choose — to shape, if you will — what we like best about their behavior choices so that we can guide them along the way to a mutually satisfying life with humans. So yeah, those two things. Melissa Breau: To dig in a little bit into one of the Genius classes, Baby Genius is on the calendar for April. How much of that class is about teaching skills and “learning to learn,” for lack of a better term, and how much is about teaching the dogs a positive attitude toward life and training? Julie Daniels: They're both so important. They're both pretty much flipsides of the same coin. I think it's super, super important that you never get away from how the dog feels about life. So that positive conditioned emotional response that we all talk about, the positive CER, is really for interacting with people, interacting with the environment, as I spoke of before. We want to develop the curiosity and the initiative of the very young dog, and that starts in Baby Genius, big time. So it's not just about skills, no matter what you do. Even if you are training skills, you're always working on how the dog feels about life and how the dog feels about interacting with you, training with you, playing with you, if you will. So I have to say that the class is pretty much half of one and half of the other. It's not so much about skills. Good question, Melissa. I really thought about how to respond to that, and I'm thinking half and half, but it's probably more about life and less about specific skills. Guidance, yes, lots of guidance, and puppy's choice is extremely important in the class. So things are, by design, geared toward helping them choose behaviors that we would like for them to keep, but it's probably more about life, Melissa, and less about skills. So there you go. Melissa Breau: With that said, what are some of the skills you cover? Julie Daniels: Ah! I have to give those away? Let me talk about one that's both, because I could go on all day about that, and you probably have another question or two for me. So why don't I talk about one in specific that I think is maybe a good example of the life version and the skills version, and that would be the recall, because you can't do a baby class without working on recall, and yet I don't really start out working on recall at all. I work on name. I want to create extremely high value for name and attraction, orientation, toward the sound of name. So that's not operant. That's classical conditioning. And I do a whole lot with that just with the little name game. When you're playing name game — with any dog, mind you, not just with a baby; it happens to me a lot that I get adult dogs in for board and train, and they need a refresher on how they feel about hearing their name. It happens to many, many dogs that they've learned not to enjoy hearing their name, so I change it. But with babies it's so easy and fun to just play games, and don't forget: say your dog's name and don't think it's not a recall. Don't think, Oh, the dog needs to be going the other way when I call his name. No, no. It's classical conditioning I'm talking about, so I want that dog to love, love, love the sound of his own name. That's different from the operant games that we play for instilling a recall, which are also important. That's the skills part. But when you ask me whether it's more skills or more enjoyment, you know, life enjoyment, I think it's life enjoyment. I think name game is much, much, much more important in Baby Genius, much more important than the skill of, for example, recall. Melissa Breau: I imagine that the skills you focus on puppies has evolved some over time and that all of this didn't just spring from your brain fully formed. Do you mind sharing just a little bit about how you've decided over the years what it is important to focus on with a puppy versus what you really can wait on until the dog is a little bit older? Julie Daniels: That's fun, isn't it? It's hard to break a brain apart into various classes when you want to teach everything at once. This program started at least twenty years ago with a camp that I did up at White Mountain Agility. I was doing five to eight camps per year, and one of them I decided had to be only for novices. I called it Novice Geniuses, and that camp was a huge success. It was tons of fun, if you can imagine, and it was very, very useful for a lot of people in learning to start their dogs off on the right foot. It certainly was adamant about how the dog feels about it is much more important than whether the dog takes away this particular skill or that particular skill. So it was a great camp like that. And that's what I started out to do for FDSA. I called it Puppy Genius, and it was pretty much the Novice Genius program with a very few elements left out, which were for older dogs. Ultimately it was way too big a territory. It was too large a class in scope, and so I then broke it down into two classes called Baby Genius, for these youngsters, and that's what's coming up in April for the young dogs, and then Adolescent Sport Dog is what I called the former older dog elements of Novice Genius. I tried to break the class into two and then expand upon each of the elements within that smaller scope, and I think that worked out really well. That's what I'll continue to do. So Baby Genius really is for the younger dogs, and as we all know, foundation is everything, and so many dogs can benefit from Baby Genius. Any dog could benefit from the Baby Genius class because it is so elementary, absolutely no prerequisite required, and any dog can play. As I said, I take in many adult dogs for board and train who need, for example, name game, which you could play with a 7- or 8-week-old puppy. Melissa Breau: If people wanted to take one of the more advanced classes, do they need that first class? Is it a prerequisite, or can they just take the one that they need, or what is your recommendation there? Julie Daniels: When I taught Adolescent Sport Dog, I wanted very much for Puppy Genius or Baby Genius to be prerequisite material. It didn't work out that that was all that necessary because I ended up going back to those foundations as we needed to do them. So it worked out as a standalone class, and I don't think I would make it a prerequisite. But it's one of those classes — I feel the same way about my empowerment class — well, everybody ought to take it! But if, for some reason, you don't, I can make it work for you! So I'm not worried about it as a prerequisite, but it sure is good stuff for anyone. Melissa Breau: Excellent. I think some people think, Oh, Baby Genius, my dog's no longer a baby, but like you said, it's still applicable, it's still good stuff, it's still foundation skills that every dog should have. Julie Daniels: That's a good way to describe it. It's foundation. Melissa Breau: I know we talked a little bit about building confidence earlier, and I know in the description for your shiny, new, shaping class you mention that it will focus on using shaping principles to build confidence and teamwork. So I wanted to ask you why it is that shaping is such a good tool for accomplishing those two things. Julie Daniels: It's one good tool, obviously. It's not the only way to do things, we all know that, but it's one good tool for building confidence, specifically because shaping done well inspires the dog of any age — it can be any age dog — to offer a little bit more, to try a little bit more, to use the initiative that I spoke about earlier, to develop the curiosity and then use initiative. What we're working toward when we build upon those things, we're working toward a measure of self-reliance, so we want the dog — and that's where confidence comes in — we're building the dog's ability to make a choice and to enjoy the consequences of this choice. Every once in a while in life it's really important that the consequence teach the dog not to do that again. We let daily life do that. We let other dogs do that. We humans can use artful shaping to almost eliminate the need for a tough consequence to make it hard on the dog. We can become expert at noticing the tiny little elements of curiosity and initiative, and by rewarding those in specific ways, we can create more and more behaviors along that same line that strengthen the dog's ability to behave or perform in the way that we would like to see again. So shaping is artful; yes, it's scientific — and we will go into the science — but really this shaping class is not as scientific as some other shaping class would be, because it is only using the principles of shaping, which are good, clean mechanics and keen observations — very, very important elementary skills for shaping practices, but we are only using those shaping practices in order to get to the good stuff, the bigger picture of curiosity, initiative, self-reliance, you know, eagerness to work, not just for correctness. So that's how this class will run. One of the lectures — I'll just tease you — that will be one of the first lectures in Week 2, for example, is called, “When Did Silent Shaping Become Rigid Shaping?” Do you get what I mean? Melissa Breau: Yes. Julie Daniels: That's what I mean about you can be scientifically spot-on and not really be creating what you want in your dog. Melissa Breau: That's an interesting lecture title, and that will hopefully be a really great thing for people to think about, even before they get a chance to read the lecture. I know in the description you also mention that a lot of your favorite confidence-building games are perfect for practicing shaping. What did you mean by that, and can you talk us through an example of how that works? Julie Daniels: Oh gosh, I'd love to. Some of the games that we play in confidence-building classes, not just empowerment, but that's the big one that is well known in the Fenzi world. Empowerment uses many strange materials, and people will talk about they have a cardboard collection, they have a bubble wrap collection, they have a metal utensil collection. People talk about their bakeware collection. Some people actually cook with this stuff. We certainly don't. I mean that kind of thing, interaction with things that pop underneath you, things that feel squishy and move underneath you, they're unstable, things that make noise, for example, metal noise is very big in obedience training and it's also very, very big in seesaw training. We did a huge amount of work with noise making with metal, and we use noise tolerance, meaning someone else is making the noise and you don't have any say about it. That can be tough for some dogs and easy for others. The other element of that is noise empowerment: what if I'm being invited to make the noise myself. I'm controlling it, I'm in charge of it, I learn what it sounds like, and now it's up to me whether I want to make that happen again and again. So we create the dog's desire to be part of the environment in an active way. We want the dog to be an active participant in the experiences that he's going to have. That's about confidence and empowerment and such. Shaping is the absolute best way to get those things, and you can well imagine that some puppies — or any dog; I'm saying puppy only because I'm teaching Baby Genius, but any dog is invited to play — you can imagine just that taking a closer look at a pile of bubble wrap and plastic on the floor is probably a clickable event for many, many dogs, whereas there would be other dogs who would actually inadvertently scare themselves by jumping in the pile knowing nothing about what is going to happen. That would be handler error. That would be a poor job of establishing operations for the shaping that we want to do. So it's much better for us to learn artful ways to observe what the dog is doing, what the dog is about to do sometimes, and to offer delivery of reinforcement in such a way that the dog is not going to be offended but is going to be curious about doing more and gradually more. So shaping being the practice of building successive approximations toward an end-goal behavior. There are two ways that I make use of that. One is that I'm using end-goal behaviors that are not “world peace.” If your dog jumps into a bin full of bubble wrap, good for you, but you didn't just earn a MACH. So I separate, in other words, the elements that we're working with from the real-world elements of competition, and to a certain extent remove them from daily life, and embrace the dog's ability to enjoy silly things. They're silly things, there's no doubt about it. But it doesn't take a big stretch to see that the dog's confidence with these silly things — if, again, we do a good job of generalizing and creating fluency for these skills — it doesn't take a big stretch to see their usefulness in the dog's daily life as he meets other things in the world. So that's what we're trying to do. We take silly games and we build, through good shaping practices, we build the dog's desire to interact with the novelty in the environment, and we build the dog's enjoyment of the surprises that could happen as a result of that. Does that make sense? Melissa Breau: Absolutely, and I think there's a thread here that you've hinted at a little bit as we've gone through all the questions that's spot-on for everyone to ask you next, which is this idea that people, when they get into dog training, largely think dog training is about the dog, but the more involved they become, most of us realize that it's really at least half, if not three-quarters, about our own skills as a trainer. I wanted to ask how you balance teaching good handler mechanics with canine learning in the class and what aspects of handler skills you plan to talk about. Also, if you'd like to mention why they're so important, that would be awesome, especially when it comes to shaping. Julie Daniels: In the shaping class we'll be talking first and foremost about the handler's job. As I was hinting at, it's our job to set up the scenario so that the dog can be successful. I just call that establishing operations. That's what I was trained to call it back in the 1970s. Establishing operations meaning by the time the dog sees the apparatus or the setup, you have created this little microenvironment — and you have a plan, by the way — so that you are able to build, bing, bing, bing, one success on top of another very quickly so that you're creating this curiosity and this initiative that you wanted to create. For example, it would be a huge mistake to just crowd your dog into a busy place and say, “Hey, I happen to have some bubble wrap. I think I'll do a shaping game of squash the bubble wrap.” But if the environment is absolutely wrong for that new skill, developing that new skill, it will not go well, and that is handler error. It is our job, first and foremost, to set up the operation in such a way to invite success and know what the early steps are going to be, so that we can create, bing, bing, bing, reward, reward, reward, right, right again, bingo, what a genius, ta-da! That's the first order of business as trainers: we're going to be talking about how to establish operations in order to inspire success. And then we'll be talking about how to … obviously the clicking part, but then how to deliver the reinforcement in such a way to invite another success or more behavior or just a repetition of the current behavior. So we'll be talking a whole lot about delivery, as well as about how to establish what we're trying to do. Both those things are important. Melissa Breau: One of the things that I saw on your syllabus that I don't think we've ever really talked about here on the podcast before is this idea of delivery of reinforcement. I know we have a webinar coming up about that in a few weeks with another instructor, but I wanted to ask you about it anyway. How does delivery of reinforcement influence training, and how do you make those decisions? Julie Daniels: I'm glad it is going to be. It's a webinar, it deserves its own webinar, it's really a very big part of the picture and can influence the success of the dog greatly. Part of delivery of reinforcement is geared toward inviting the next rep. The very best example I can think about that is in Chicken Camp. Bob Bailey always says, “Click for behavior, feed for position,” and he's talking about the artful way we move the cup of corn as the chicken is reaching forward and pecking with it. The same thing happens in agility practices with foundation training. We're always moving the reward down the line. We want to be continuing forward toward the behavior that we're trying to create, because necessarily we've only got a tiny little piece of it. That's what shaping's all about. So we're trying to build the next step of the behavior, and using the reward delivery is one very, very effective means of inviting a next correct response. Would you like an example, Melissa? Melissa Breau: Yes, please. Julie Daniels: One good example would be — this isn't necessarily in the Baby Genius class, but it was just in the Canine Fitness class that I was doing with my own instructor, Karen Kay; I'm a student as well as a teacher — so I'm a student in Canine Fitness class, and we were shaping — not just luring, but we were shaping — a complete 360-degree turn on a wobbly surface, so it's very complex, and I was working with Kool-Aid. Well, Kool-Aid already knows an outside turn, and she knows a spin, and she can certainly follow a lure around in a circle. So I could have gotten that done, probably most anybody could get it done, just by luring a circle with a cookie — can you imagine — and then feeding the cookie. Is that shaped? No, not at all. Have you helped create a behavior? Well, maybe. You don't really know. But your dog can indeed follow a cookie around in a circle. There's nothing wrong with that, so I'm not criticizing that. But many of us would choose to do that, and I think it's better to choose to do that, through shaping practices. That would look just a little bit different. Even if you did decide to lure the initial turn of the head, you wouldn't just continue that cookie around in a circle. You would click for that initial head turn before the puppy even gets to the cookie. Then you would deliver that cookie, and as you deliver that cookie — this is the part we're talking about here — you're going to move it a couple or three inches further along the circle. See what I'm picturing? And then you're going to let go. So what's going to happen? Well, you'd better click quickly, because what is going to happen — because you now have removed the lure — what is going to happen is the dog is going to turn around back toward you, and that is not the direction we want to go, is it? We're trying to lure a circle away from us. So what you need to do instead is click before the dog turns back. Can you imagine how quick that is? You perhaps have less than a second in which to get that next click in, and now, Melissa, here's where it comes in again. Reward delivery is buying you the rest of the circle. In perhaps ten little increments around the circle, just as an estimate, you get ten repetitions of creating that puppy's turn around the circle. Instead of one continuous repetition, you get ten repetitions of the puppy learning to turn and move in that circular fashion. That's why shaping, in that one little tiny example, that's why shaping is superior to luring in a simple task like that. Sometimes it's hard to understand that. I'm really glad you brought up this question, and I'm sure it will come up in the webinar as well. It's difficult to help people understand that they actually should do it that way, because if you can picture in my example, it would have taken, oh, I don't know, two seconds perhaps, to lure the entire circle and then give the cookie, and it probably took, I don't know, ten seconds, fifteen seconds, it could possibly even have taken twenty seconds to do it the way I've just described. So I'm hoping, I'm banking on the fact that people will consider the value of shaping as in long-term learning, instead of incidental reps here and there of a behavior, that shaping is more powerful long-term. So that's why I would suggest doing it the way I'm doing it. Shaping is better for long-term learning. It helps the dog offer behavior and learn from the consequences that he can offer more behavior. It just creates a dog who's stronger, more resilient, with a measure of self-reliance, learning to operate in the environment in cooperation with the human. Melissa Breau: Not only that, but in the example you used, he gets maybe ten cookies instead of just one cookie because of the repetition of the behavior. Julie Daniels: For sure. No small matter, that's right! Melissa Breau: In the shaping class, what other skills or concepts are you planning to cover? Julie Daniels: Well, let's see. We'll be doing a whole lot with empowerment-based behaviors. We'll also be doing a little bit with behaviors that will be useful in dog sports. For example, we will be shaping a tuck sit. But I also — this is a disclaimer for Baby Genius class and for shaping class too — we will use props. When we want the babies to learn a specific skill, we're going to use a prop to help them get these things right, because babies don't have the power. In the shaping class, the dog may well have the power, but rather than use just pure shaping techniques to get what we want just in space, we'll use those props to hurry those behaviors along and to help the dog learn to initiate onto equipment. It sounds like it's hard to wean from props, but it's not. If you don't wean from your lures — you know, the primary reinforcer being used as an enticement to behave — that is harder to wean from, if you don't do it early on. We'll be doing that part very early on. But props themselves are not difficult to wean from. Once we have established behaviors that have been created through the props, we'll put them on cue, and then weaning from the props is not difficult. So I'm not worried about that. But we'll be using, in shaping class we'll be using things like platforms and sit targets and maybe some mats, but certainly target sticks. I love to use gear ties and expandable target sticks. We'll do raised targets and low targets, we'll do paw targets and nose targets, and sit targets and stand targets. There's also room in that class — hopefully I've covered everybody's interests now — so we'll also have some room in that class to work on individual projects. I don't think there'll be any individual projects in the first three weeks of class. We'll all be geared toward the foundations, and some people and some dogs will be ahead of others, and that's no problem; I have plenty of material. But I think in the last three weeks of class, this being a first-time class, I'm going to experiment. Can people go off on their own tangents, and I've said yes. Quite a few people have e-mailed me about this. One that has come up many times is that people saw that I was doing the concept of between, beginning in Week 1, and if you think about it, that is the basis for two-by-two weave pole training, so several people have already asked, “Can I use this class to shape weave pole performance?” And I've said, “Absolutely, yes.” This is a great use of shaping, and we are all going to cover the concept of going between two things. There are so many uses for that, not just in agility, but for the people who want to free-shape weave poles, this is a great class. It's a great class. But you'll have to be patient with me, because for the first three weeks we're all going to be working on these foundation skills relating to shaping, and we will be exposed to a lot of different kinds of elements. We're not just going to do between for six weeks, sorry. So once you've gone through the basic empowerment-related and curiosity-related and skills-related behaviors that we'll be shaping — which also, by the way, will build your own expertise with the shaping process and the various ways to build an operation, to establish an operation, to run the operation, and to use reinforcement criteria and timing in effective ways — I figure that's about three solid weeks without doing too much else. And then I'm hoping that Weeks 4, 5, and 6, people who have very specific individual agendas such as weave poles, such as, for example, drop on recalls, such as perfect front tuck sits, such as parallel path, there are so many good things, heeling, I don't really have a problem with that. I think I'm going to experiment with letting people go off on their own individual tangents, and we'll see whether that works out well as a class or whether we actually need six full weeks just to work on the mechanics of shaping. I don't think we will, because this class is geared toward being an overview of good shaping practices and then taking those skills to our activities, whether it be a dog sport in specific or just daily life skills such as getting out in public and the like. I feel like that's my best use of the class is to be able to help people do what they want to do. I'll tell you where I went with this … Melissa Breau: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Julie Daniels: Through all along my good shaping practices, I've been gearing my young dog, Kool-Aid, toward being my seminar dog. So obviously she's going to have to have a myriad of skills. Agility is my sport, but shaping is one of the best and most fun things I do, and I've started another in-person shaping class just last week and I decided, OK, you're 2-and-a-half, little girl, how about you be my dog now? So she is, in this class, my one and only demo dog. She is all by herself for the first time. She did not have her big brother there who's the expert and she's just the tagalong. No, she's now the seminar dog, and so for the first time I had a separate dog bed for her, and I put an x-pen around her because, again, I'm establishing an operation where she can be successful. If I just put her in the middle of the room on her dog bed, I don't even know all of the dogs that are coming into that class yet, that would be a very poor trainer's decision. So I protected her with an x-pen around the dog bed so that she could see everyone and they could see her, she could not get into trouble, and nobody could bother her. But she has the opportunity to learn to raise and lower her arousal state according to whether she is on duty or off duty. That's a really good life challenge that can be built through shaping, which is what I did with this dog. She's an extremely busy dog, and she, her whole life, has wanted all the turns. So for her now to say, OK, I'm back on the dog bed with a bone, and all the other dogs in class are going to be working this, that's tough for her. But you know what? She truly behaved like an old pro. These students, most of them know me, and they know this dog, and they were impressed by what she could do. I think if they didn't know me and I had told them that this is my demo dog and she's been doing this work for a year or so, they would absolutely have believed it. She just did a great job, and it's because she knows how to raise and then lower her arousal state. By the way, we'll start this work in Baby Genius. It's not just all about “Yay, yay, yay, the people are coming.” And I am a person who allows baby dogs to say, “Yay, yay, yay, the people are coming.” I truly allow my baby dogs to be pretty much a happy nuisance around people, because I do err on the side of life happiness and attraction for people and the world in general, like we were talking about earlier. So that means I've got a lot of training to do to get from that as, for example, a 6-month-old to now a 2-and-a-half-year-old who's already my seminar dog. That's a lot of training, but it's all been done through dog's choice training and through good shaping practices. So the end-goal behaviors that I want are broken down very finely into manageable steps for this particular dog, so that now I have a dog who looks fully … she's not fully trained, right? But she looks really good in a crowd when she's working on behaviors that I have built through shaping. So even though she had never been in this crowded an environment all by herself being the only teacher's dog there, she was able to come in and out of demo mode. She was able to raise her arousal state and then lower her arousal state each time she went back in the pen. I know I'm biased, but I don't believe she complained even once. Melissa Breau: That's awesome. Julie Daniels: Yeah, she really had it down about how to behave. I think that's part of shaping good behavior rather than coercing good behavior either through commands and corrections or just through pressure, pressure, pressure. This dog wasn't trained with pressure. When I wanted to demonstrate down on a mat, I just let her out of her little pen and I just — with a flourish, because that's the cue — flourished the mat and laid it out for her, and she ran, not walked, and threw herself down. And so then I told the class — this is true, so you'll learn this too, if you take the class — that she's never been commanded to lie down on the mat. Never. She was shaped. And any of the students who've taken, for example, cookie jar games, we build mat work from scratch. In the fall I'll actually be teaching a class specifically dedicated toward all these targets, including mats and platforms and sit targets and the like. But just to be honest, this dog was a hundred percent shaped to lie down on a mat. She was never coerced. And that down could not be more reliable. Melissa Breau: That's awesome. Julie Daniels: That's the value of shaping. Melissa Breau: Hopefully, students have their wheels turning a little bit and they're trying to decide whether either of these classes is appropriate for their dog. Do you have any advice for those people trying to make their class selection or decide if they should sign up? What's appropriate, what's not appropriate, how should they make those decisions? Julie Daniels: I think if a person has already taken one of the foundation shaping classes that have already been offered, then I think you probably already have the background that I'll be covering in the first three weeks. I'm sure my spin is a little bit different, but the good practices are the good practices, and so you could pretty much move on to another more skills-based class. Baby Genius, as I said, is good for all dogs, but it's extremely foundation-oriented. There's a good deal of background classical conditioning in there, a good deal of operant conditioning in there, a little bit about shaping just because that's the way I do things, but it's more geared toward all the elements of living with humans as a young dog. One wonderful thing that Fenzi does now is put up the sample lectures. I do think that's a wonderful way to get a feel for how a class will be run and what sorts of things the teacher concentrates on. Obviously it's only one little tiny lecture. Baby Genius, for example, has about sixty lectures in it, and I use forty of them in any class, so I try to make the class different every time through, and the Gold level students, I think in any class, cause the class to develop in a different way, so it's never the same class twice. That is definitely the case in Baby Genius, and all dogs are invited to come look at first-level foundation skills. My shaping class is definitely a fundamental shaping class. There's nothing advanced about it. It's the specifics, the basics, and the groundwork of shaping, and my take on it is to put it to use immediately in real-world elements. Melissa Breau: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, Julie! Julie Daniels: Thanks! Melissa Breau: As per usual, it's been awesome … and thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in! We'll be back next week with Dr. Jessica Hekman to talk about the biology of building a great performance dog, so it should be a good interview. If you haven't already, subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. Credits: Today's show is brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy. Special thanks to Denise Fenzi for supporting this podcast. Music provided royalty-free by BenSound.com; the track featured here is called “Buddy.” Audio editing provided by Chris Lang.

"I've had a good..busy week"! Kim updates us on the progress of her Weimaraner patient with lymphoedema from Episode 31. This week she also revisited a Springer Spaniel with hock osteoarthritis that she had last seen a couple of years ago. And we also hear about a black Labrador who has forelimb lameness. One of the things we touch on is how the behaviour of some dogs can vary depending on whether their carers are in the room or not! To get in touch: email vetphysiolife@theralph.vet or use the contact form on the website.

Anyone remember how weird and creepy the video for REO Speedwagon’s, “Keep On Lovin’ You,” was? No? Here it is…watch it. Really, and in particular the little theatrical elements at the very beginning and very end.  Got that?  Good. Now watch the video and contemplate the lyrics from the perspective of this skinny white man with a righteous afro and obvious extreme mental health contributions…but because he’s the lead singer of a popular band there exists a platform for said dysfunction.  And, you’re watching it. I don’t wanna sleep. Oh, so hey…Driven2Drink here with you again, this time with an old, old friend.  Brian. We begin the conversation with intros and history building.  Very fun.  In the room are three adult humans, one adult Springer Spaniel with ADHD and OCD, and two rando puppies.  (I feel like I got the levels and audio output, noise, and whatnot under control this week.) So…have fun!  (Also, Rush with “Tom Sawyer” at the end.) We present to you, “Impact, or Affliction (Brian, pt 1).”

In this episode we introduce the dog of the week, the English Springer Spaniel!  We answer the age old question of "Is it ok to let me dog sleep with me?" and we answer our "Peemail" question about destructive behavior when not at home.  

SHOW NOTES:  Summary: Julie Daniels has worked with dogs her whole lie. In fact, she learned to walk by holding onto a German Shepherd. Today she is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She's one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, New Hampshire and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, New Hampshire. Julie is well known as a premiere teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled, and won with all sorts of dogs through the years including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She's the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix Finals with a Rottie or a Springer and she did it two times each. Links mentioned: Koolaid's Tantrum Sit www.koolkidsagility.com  Thinking in Pictures, by Temple Grandin Animals in Translation, by Temple Grandin Animals Make Us Human, by Temple Grandin Next Episode:  To be released 4/28/2017, featuring Julie Symons.  TRANSCRIPTION: Melissa Breau: This is Melissa Breau and you're listening to the Fenzi Dog Sports Podcast brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy, an online school dedicated to providing high quality instruction for competitive dog sports using only the most current and progressive training methods. Today we'll be talking to Julie Daniels. Julie Daniels has worked with dogs her whole lie. In fact, she learned to walk by holding onto a German Shepherd. Today she is one of the foremost names in the sport of dog agility in the United States. She's one of the early champions of the sport and helped many clubs throughout the country get up and running. She owns and operates both Kool Kids Agility in Deerfield, New Hampshire and White Mountain Agility in North Sandwich, New Hampshire. Julie is well known as a premiere teacher at all levels of play. She has competed, titled, and won with all sorts of dogs through the years including two Rottweilers, a Springer Spaniel, a Cairn Terrier, two Corgis, and four Border Collies. She's the only person to make USDAA National Grand Prix Finals with a Rottie or a Springer and she did it two times each. Hey, Julie. Welcome to the podcast. Julie Daniels: Hi, Melissa. Melissa Breau: How are you doing today? Julie Daniels: I'm really ready for this and I'm doing great today. How are you? Melissa Breau: Good. Good. I'm excited to talk about this. I know we've talked a little bit in the past about other things, but I don't think we've ever had a chance to focus on the dog stuff. Julie Daniels: No. My first podcast. I'm used to be on TV with people making faces behind the camera to try to make me screw up, so this is very different for me. Lots of fun. Melissa Breau: Good. Good. Well, to start us out can you tell us a little bit about the dogs you have now and what you're working on with them? Julie Daniels: Oh, yeah. I currently live with three Border Collies plus my roommate's All-American mix, and I've got quite a houseful here. I often have dogs in for training as well. So our mix is always fluctuating and the personalities are always changing in their interrelationships. But Boss, my oldest, is eleven and a half years old, still strong and healthy, hale and hearty, runs with the boys and completely spoiled. Sport is my competition dog currently, he's going on nine years old, still competing well, fingers crossed of course. Over the years I've lost three top agility togs in their prime of life so I do hold my breath and count my blessings every time I'm able to go to the start line with Sport. But then I have a youngster and Karen also has a youngster. So we have two adolescent sport dogs in the household who need training every day. They are night and day in their personalities and just so much fun to work with every single day. So we have two youngsters and then the older dogs. Melissa Breau: What are the youngsters' names? Julie Daniels: Comet and Kool-Aid. Doesn't that just roll off the tongue? Karen's rescue mix is Comet who was not supposed to survive as a puppy. He has a liver shunt that was supposed to kill him and didn't so he's a real unique individual. And my young Border Collie is now a year and a half, Kool-Aid. She came full of confidence and Comet came full of fears and different issues. So they truly are night and day and they are best buds, best friends, absolutely perfectly compatible in their differences if that makes sense. Melissa Breau: Yeah. That's kind of awesome, actually. Julie Daniels: Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's awesome. Melissa Breau: So in addition to Comet I know most of your dogs right now are Border Collies, but you've had a lot of different experiences with a lot of different breeds. You've worked with a wide range of breeds and I really wanted to ask you kind of what the secret was, if you have any advice out there for people in the dog sports world who may be competing, whatever their sport, with just a breed that's not traditional for what they're doing. Julie Daniels: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thanks for asking that because I think people do think of my sport, agility, as particular to a few breeds doing well, and it's really not that way at all. Any sport that you want to do can be enjoyed with any dog. I always tell people, start with the dog you love. That's the only way to do well anyway. And I think I can tell you from experience, all the extra work that it takes to make it in a sport with an unlikely breed, all I can tell you is keep at it because it's worth it. It's just plain worth it to go out there and do well with a breed or an individual dog, actually, of any breed who was not expected to do well. The pride just wells up in the teamwork that you accomplish over the years. I think no matter what your sport is that's the case. So don't worry about what breed you have. Choose the breed you love and play the sports that you're interest in. Melissa Breau: Your focus has been agility for the last while, but I was curious how you originally got into dog sports since I know you were in agility in the very early days, I'm assuming there's a story there. Julie Daniels: Yeah. I think you just called me old, Melissa. Melissa Breau: I didn't go that far. Julie Daniels: It's true, I was one of the early people who saw agility coming from overseas and just jumped and said this is the sport I've been waiting for, that is true. So before that I was into competitive obedience and I actually had a Rough Collie whom I had for 13 years who developed an overshot bite, actually not exactly an overshot bite but a faulty bite as in common in the breed, and that's the only reason why I went from breed to obedience. Of course like many people, just kind of never looked back, enjoyed the performance aspects more than the confirmation aspects, and just started down that road of dog sports as a team sport. That's where my interest lies. Melissa Breau: So how did you get from those initial days in obedience and become a positive trainer? Julie Daniels: Well, positive dog training. Well, it's been dogs and me my whole life, I mean, since before I could walk. My family loved dogs, my mother's father had favorite farm dogs. So having been raised with that kind of exposure and being a very young, small child in a big family I was raised with a good deal of what I would say benign neglect. All my dogs were walk-ins when I was a kid. My parents were all about, “You're not feeding that dog, are you? We didn't need another mouth to feed,” so to speak. Of course I lied, no, no, not feeding the dog, then pretty soon it's no, but look what he can do. So ta-da, meet my next new dog. So my parents were open as much as they didn't want me to have more animals I just had all kinds of animals as a kid from very, very, very young age. As a little kid overpowering an animal doesn't work, even a small animal, but certainly not big dogs, and relationship first and food second, that does work. I will say some of my earliest, fondest memories of being a small child in a big family, my mom was not particularly generous with praise, but one thing she said about me on a regular basis when speaking to other people, “Julie can do anything with any dog.” And I grew up knowing that was true, feeling that from the bottom of my heart from the time I was a tiny child. So yes, as an adult earning money in college by training dogs and that kind of thing, of course I got off on the bandwagons which were popular at the times, much more corrective methods in the era of choke chains and stuff. I went down that path too, just like most people did, but it wasn't really a stretch for me to come back, if you know what I mean, because I had such a base layer of success with positive reinforcement from the time I was a tiny child. Melissa Breau: So what got you from doing obedience over to agility in those early days and then what led you to really kind of champion it and help set up clubs and things like that? Julie Daniels: I saw agility first in…must I admit this? 1986. So my daughter was three years old, I was a stay at home mom, I had, oh, I don't know, four or five dogs at the time and all the neighborhood kids hung out at my house. I truly did see, I think I saw a book by Peter Lewis called The Agility Dog and I just jumped at it. I don't know how to describe it, but at the visceral level that's the sport I've been waiting for. So it really wasn't that hard once I started researching who was doing agility back then and trying to find out what was available in this country which was not much. And by the way, no internet, no cell phones, right? So my telephone bills were over 200 dollars a month, much more than I now spend on my cell phone which is kind of funny. But trying to make connections that we take for granted today back then was not simple and not easy. So anyway, I got in touch finally with the person who really was starting an organization, an official agility organization in the United States which is USDAA. Ken Tosh and I have known each other since 1986 and he put me together with other people around the country who also were like-minded and he also organized these trips which were grueling but so satisfying. I actually bought a trailer and literally brought equipment all over the East Coast and we operated at major horse shows like Dressage at Devon and Fair Hill and all kinds of prestigious horse shows where people just…we literally came in and set up an agility rink full of equipment and people just brought their animals. So listen, I got to work with pigs, goat, miniature horses, all the stable dogs. So it was a very exciting and wonderful way to spend a weekend. Over and over. My little girl came with me so Heather was exposed to all of this from a very, very early age too, my daughter's name is Heather. She's a very well-traveled individual. We literally brought the sport to new locations. And you know what? When I was younger I remember making fun of the Tupperware ladies because they had to cart all that stuff around so that's Karma for you. Melissa Breau: That's great. You mentioned traveling all around and by demoing it, it kind of sounds like, almost, letting people come in, try the equipment, how did it kind of get to that next stage, that next step? What was it like to kind of help it get its legs? Julie Daniels: Because I believe in this as a team sport, the best, most fun team sport I've ever played, it was easy for me to see that as a worthwhile way for me to spend my allowance and spend my vacation and travel time. So long before there were any official competitions there were a few of us diehards who were driving oh, certainly it was 800 miles down to Danville, Virginia, and I would drive that just to play with friends down there for a weekend on their equipment on their location. And there were no trials, so we're not even going for any kind of prestige, we just want to play the game. So to be in at the ground level, I think it's true in any endeavor but it certainly was true in agility, you just really had to want to play the game, and I don't think I've ever lost that. I love to play the game. It's the best team sport I've ever enjoyed. Melissa Breau: Well, I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about your recent Baby Genius class at the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy as well as the class you're offering this session, and I think the day this airs will actually be the very last day before registration closes. People have one more day to actually go sign up. Which is you're offering your adolescent sports dog class this session. Most people, when they first get a puppy, there's kind of a mix of emotions there, right? People are really excited but there's also this sense of fear, this fear of messing up that perfect puppy. So I wanted to ask you, any advice you have for kind of overcoming that fear to actually accomplish things? Julie Daniels: Yeah. I think that's a very important point, Melissa, because I think we all have that kind of fear and should embrace it and laugh about it. We all know with our positive training methods that one rep is only one rep. One session is only one session. So you got off on the wrong foot? Just go in a different direction and do better next time. It really is that simple. But I know that fear that you're talking about. Usually when I have chosen a dog or a dog has chosen me in the past I tend to gravitate towards dogs who have issues, what other people would not want to try to raise. But yeah, I do have the occasional puppy in my life. In fact, Kool-Aid is one of those, my current youngster, who really didn't come with any issues. She was beautifully bred, beautifully raised, a wanted child, and came without the problems that I normally embrace in a puppy and boy, did I ever have that feeling too. So when I first started Baby Genius class I thought, I just have to put that out there. So I wrote that, how does that feel? Exactly like you're saying it, I sure hope I don't screw this up, and I have that feeling just like everybody else has that feeling. Even though I know in my heart it's going to be a wonderful and beautiful relationship that will change and grow as we both grow together you can't avoid that feeling of gosh, I hope I don't screw this up, and did I cause every little thing that happens. Oh, no, did I cause this? Look at the monster I've created. But you have to embrace that, laugh it off, just like we have to do that with parenthood and human children, you know, any one day…in fact, I remember posting on Facebook when Kool-Aid was ten months about criteria and I had asked Karen to please tape because Kool-Aid was just in one of those adolescent moods that are so difficult to regain your equanimity with. She just was being a little brat at the door if you know what I mean. And by ten months old these criteria of being polite when the door opens, those are pretty well in place, right? But nothing is perfectly well in place with an adolescent. That's the beauty of the adolescent, you never know. She just was berserk. I can't describe it any other way. Screaming, flipping, pounding, rushing the door and banking off it, punching me, punching the other dogs. So my poor adult angels, you know, and are being long-suffering and polite at the door, and this little brat puppy is just throwing the tantrum of her life. So I remember posting it, putting it out there, and just saying, “I don't care who you are, your ten-month-old puppy can look perfectly trained day after day but then come tantrum day.” And I think it's very important to embrace. Tantrum day is a normal part of adolescence, a normal part of growing up, and not the end of the world. The test is for the handler, the owner, the dog mom to embrace the needs of the puppy in that moment. So the real question becomes, do I let her work this out? Do I help her by holding her collar? Do I let the other dogs go and make this dog stay behind? Which, by the way, don't do that. That's a mistake. What I ended up doing was a lot of fun. It was interesting for me and it sort of gave me the next phase of that work that I needed to do with Kool-Aid. I really didn't know that the tantrum was going to go on for a full two minutes. You don't know that kind of thing until you're in the moment, and it really did go on for two full minutes. I looked at the video afterwards and decided based on that… By the way, you should tape yourself, I don't care if you're taking a class or not, videotape is so incredibly useful. The camera can always see something that you didn't see in the moment nor should you see everything in the moment. You should be focused on your criteria and let the camera do its job of catching what's going on behind you. Anyway, a little bit aside, but a plug for videotaping yourself whether you're gold, silver, or bronze. Melissa Breau: So what did you wind up doing that day with her throwing her tantrum? Julie Daniels: Well, I truly did let her work it out, Melissa, and in the future I decided, no, I think because she really had so much trouble working it out I put my hand in the collar next time and just helped her. I didn't pull her down but I eliminated the option of, for example, charging the door and banking off of it or harassing the other adult dogs. I eliminated those options by just holding, slipping two fingers down through her collar. A bigger dog, more fingers, simple as that, and eliminating the options that I really did not want to see again, did not want her practicing which might inadvertently be self-reinforcing because they feel pretty good, that kind of venting. So eliminating those options actually helped her better herself in the future so that's the way I do it now with this particular dog. A different dog, if it had played out differently, letting her work it out might be the best way to go, but for Kool-Aid it wasn't. I'll have to share that video. It's not currently in one of my lectures for that class. I bet I should share that. Especially now people are going to want to see it. Melissa Breau: Yeah. Probably. To kind of talk back through that for a second, I was originally just going to ask you what's special about dogs at this phase of their life, kind of that ten month to two year old phase. Kind of what do you see…is it just that you should kind of expect that they're going to go through that testing boundaries phase and be prepared to deal with it? Is it something more than that? Julie Daniels: Yeah. I actually love that question, what's special about that phase, and I think there's one underlying common denominator and that's puberty. It is a special phase and I think what you said is true, you do need to embrace that the boundaries will be tested. I think any sport dog is going to be testing all your theories. So I think it's important to embrace that phase, but puberty changes everything. It's very, very different and we tend to expect that what was taught to the teeny baby is in there pretty good by virtue of our having taught it young, and I think it's fair to say it's in there, but what you said is absolutely true. In this stage of puberty everything will be tested. So all those things you thought were in there pretty good, they are still in there, don't worry about it, you'll get back to them, but you're going to have to earn them over and over again through adolescence. I think it's very important to embrace that stage. Melissa Breau: So is there anything that people can do when they're still dealing with a puppy to kind of help make that phase of their dog's life a little simpler? Julie Daniels: I think expecting and learning to predict your dog's likely behaviors is a very important part of getting through puberty. So as you get to know your adolescent dog better and better you become better, hopefully, at predicting how the dog will feel about a certain situation. So for example, I truly did learn from that ten month old example of full blown tantrum at the door over a behavior, mind you, which had been well taught. Well taught, well learned, well received, not particularly difficult or demanding. I think it's really important to learn from each development that surprises you and to adjust future expectations accordingly the way I did with Kool-Aid. So the next time at the door I didn't even wait to see whether there would be a tantrum or not, I just hooked a finger downward through her collar, I think it was just one little finger. She didn't look like she was going to throw a tantrum and she didn't, but just that little bit of reminder. It's not a reminder, don't worry, you're not going to be able to get away with this, it's a reminder, don't worry, I'm here to help you. That's really what the finger is saying. There's no pressure on the collar, it's just a little reminder that we're a team, we're in this together, if we stay connected at the door we'll all get outside much more quickly. Melissa Breau: Right. Right. I want to help you. There are rules but I'm going to help you get through them. Julie Daniels: Exactly. Melissa Breau: I kind of want to know if there are any other common threads that you kind of see running through that adolescent dogs class, any particular problems you see that come up over and over again? Maybe that you could kind of talk us through how you would handle them just so people kind of get a sense of what's in the class and also kind of your problem-solving style. Julie Daniels: I solve problems, first and foremost, through games. Games are powerful because they relax everybody, both the trainer and the puppy, and they remove the necessary behaviors from the context of the sport where they will be used. That's actually very, very important, that the behaviors are taught out of context first and then brought, you know, in a pretty well learned way, are brought to the environment where they will be used. So that's one reason that adolescent sport dog class is not sport specific. So we'll be using props of all sorts. I love props and they are very, very…well, the clicker is a prop. Well, every little tool that we use and then have to wean from is helpful to getting the behavior in the first place in a way that minimizes mistakes and maximizes the fun of learning. If your dog doesn't love school, I don't care what your sport is, you're going to have a little bit of trouble learning behaviors which require things like self-control, impulse control, focus, and heavy thought. It's very important that first and foremost your dog loves school. So obviously we start that in Baby Genius class. The most important thing that we can give the baby is not any particular skill, even a basic skill like sit, I'm probably one of the most lax people I know, for example, in requiring a baby dog to sit, to greet people. That is not my first priority at all. My first priority is I love people. So the decorum, the elements of decorum, come a little bit later for me than for some people, and obviously that's dog specific too. So if you have an adolescent Malamut jumping up on a human has to be long gone by the time they're ten months old. It does make a big difference how big or small the dog is. But it also is important even as we train these specific behaviors such as greeting behaviors, just the example that we're using, it's really important that we don't lose the joy of greeting. So this whole concept of my dog can do this, my dog can do that, and he's only x months old, I'm already competing and my dog is just 18 months old, I'm not likely to be doing that. I'm much more likely to be developing the teamwork, the love of the game, and the ability to work together than I am in being sport specific. So adolescent sport dog is not sport specific. It is advanced foundation work to be carried over into any active sport. It is designed for active sports therefore things like impulse control are hugely important and we will play with impulse control forwards, backwards, sideways, and inside out. So the dog really understands how to offer certain behaviors in the context of high activity and excitement. Melissa Breau: So I think that's really interesting because I think that's a problem a lot of people have found they have even with their older dogs. If they didn't curb it in adolescence they end up with a three or four year old or even five year old dog who may still be struggling with nice greetings or some of those behaviors that sounds like you're addressing really in this class. Julie Daniels: Yeah. I think the ability to think amid distraction is something that we all have to work on steadily, don't you, for the people as well as the dogs, right? Because it's very common for people to become disconnected from the dogs at the drop of a hat and that's part of this class too. It's not just the dog who needs to stay focused amid distraction, that focus and that team play are a very important two way street and we give, we will learn to give as well as we want to get. So the ability to tell the person who just came in the door to wait a minute without even looking at that person in order not to break the connection which you were in the middle of with your dog, I think that's a very, very important skill for a human to develop as a trainer. We have to give as good as we want to get. That's not simple and that requires multitasking skills which is also a focus of this class, the ability to take in peripheral information while we're operating on the information currently on the table, that's tricky, and it's tricky for both humans and dogs, and both members of the team need that skill. Melissa Breau: That's very interesting. I don't think I've ever heard that quite looked at from that angle before. Julie Daniels: I'm always siding with the dog, right? So it's always clear to me the unfairness of people requiring things from their dogs that they're not willing to give themselves. I call people on that all the time as gently as I can, although I admit that my in-person students are apt to say, “You're much gentler with your online students than you are with us.” I think that's true. That's true. Guilty as charged. Boy. I call people on things immediately when I'm looking at it in person, right? Melissa Breau: Of course it's real time and you can call them live whereas online it's after the moment, it's already passed. Julie Daniels: That's right. Melissa Breau: All right. To round things out I just have three more short questions. They're the questions I've asked everybody so far who have come on the podcast. The first one is what's the dog-related accomplishment that you are proudest of? Julie Daniels: Proudest of. I don't think I'm a very proud person in general, but no, there is something. Over the years I think maybe it's because I was involved in my sport of agility from the very beginning, before we had competitions, but I do think that over the years I've become both comfortable and philosophical about winning and losing even in big competition, even in very prestigious competition. I think one strength of mine is that I do not stand on a podium and think wow, I kicked everybody's butt. I don't think like that, I don't act like that. Instead, if I had to put it to words, I think it's more like, I have let this great dog down more times than I can count but not today. Melissa Breau: I like that. I like that way of looking at it. Julie Daniels: It's not world peace when I go to the start line with my dog, it's a game I get to play with this wonderful teammate that I enjoy every day. Melissa Breau: So my second and perhaps my favorite question that I ask the guests who come on is what's the best piece of training advice that you've ever heard? Julie Daniels: Yeah. I remember hearing that on the other podcasts and I remember thinking at the time, oh my God, how did they choose? It's such a difficult question. So I actually gave this some thought and obviously it is hard to choose, but I decided to go with some words that struck me at the time like a ton of bricks and still come back to me strongly almost every day when I work with other people's dogs particularly. And it's from an abnormal psych class that I took in college, but you said training, you didn't say dog training. So it pertains to everybody, it pertains to everybody including dogs. But this professor said in abnormal psych class, I don't remember the question he was asked that he was responding to, but it was about irrational fears, it was about irrational fears, phobias and the like, and this professor just, I remember the stroking the goatee type thing, and he says, “You can't help anyone unless you begin by accepting their premise as valid.” So I think I try to bring that acceptance to all my dog training. So therefore I'm less apt to judge the dog, I'm less apt to waste time trying to talk him into things that he's obviously loathe to do or certainly afraid to do. I go deeper, I get inside his head, I fell in love, and I help. And I help by starting where the dog is right now and I accept his premise as valid. Melissa Breau: And that premise can really be almost anything, it can be fear, it can be excitement, it can be joy, I mean it really can be almost anything. That's a really interesting angle to look at training, kind of a lens to look at training through. So my last question is who else is someone in the dog world that you look up to? Julie Daniels: Another tough one. I think one of the people who helped me the most with a couple of difficult training issues with my own dogs is Temple Grandin. I first saw her book, Thinking in Pictures, it's not her first book but it's the first book of hers that I saw. Since then, long since then a movie has been made of her life and the work that she's done with animals. She's primarily a livestock person but she actually likes dogs very much. Her three books that I would recommend everybody pick up, Thinking in Pictures, Animals in Translation which came after that, and then later than that, Animals Make Us Human. Temple Grandin, you would think because of her background with livestock would consider dogs and certainly my sport, dog agility, as absolutely frivolous. I mean, you could make a case for that, it's not the kind of thing that she works with. But I've been to three of her conferences, and actually she thinks dog agility is pretty cool. She loves the whole, as I do, loves the whole interspecies thing. I grew up with all kinds of different animals, and the whole interspecies relationship, interspecies communication thing is just fascinating and wonderful to me. I can't get enough of it. And Temple Grandin is like that. She's the kind of person who wants good for all creatures and really is one of the world's experts in accepting the animal…she doesn't say it this way, but she accepts the animal's premise as valid better than anybody else I know. Melissa Breau: I actually haven't read her books. Now I'll have to go pick them up. Julie Daniels: Yeah. She helped me a great deal with one very special dog I had named Superman, Clark Kent, my students used to say he's Clark Kent in the house but he's Superman in the arena. He was certainly an autistic dog, you know what I mean, more than ADHD, he really was challenging to train, and he became, ultimately made challengers round the only time he went to AKC National. So no slouch, the dog was, let's just say had a lot going for him but was extremely challenging to work with. She said to me about him, “You're treating it like he needs the big picture but he can't…there will never be a big picture. It's all detail. All detail. So when you give him cues you'll have to give them sequentially.” Of course me as a world class agility trainer I'm like, oh, you have to do at least three things at once. Who are you kidding? But she was absolutely right and when I started breaking down what she had said and trying to apply it to the way I was training Clark at seven yards per second she was absolutely right and that is what helped me more than anything else with being able to communicate at full speed with this phenomenal dog. So anyway, that's just one little example, but she's helped very, very many people by giving them a different way of looking at things, but it always, always embraces that premise that you have to accept the dog where he is, and that's your start point. Melissa Breau: Very interesting. Well, thank you so much, Julie, for coming on the podcast. Julie Daniels: Thanks, Melissa. Melissa Breau: And thanks to our audience for tuning in. We'll be back in two weeks with Julie Symons to talk about versatility in dog sports, obedience, and scent work. If you haven't already, subscribe to our podcast on iTunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. CREDITS: Today's show is brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy. Special thanks to Denise Fenzi for supporting this podcast. Music provided royalty-free by BenSound.com; the track featured here is called “Buddy.” Audio editing provided by Chris Lang and transcription written by CLK Transcription Services. Thanks again for tuning in -- and happy training!  

Welp.  We’re back.  Just Jen and Greg, and…to bring this endeavor full circle to some of the very first recordings from almost precisely two years ago…Kate, the Springer Spaniel with reflection obsession disorder, and Tilly, the Basset Hound with ass balls and a neck-gina. We begin with cholesterol.  Currently I sit at my office computer as a quartet of thirteen-year-old girls eat McDonalds….hearts and arteries laughing in the presence of trans-fats, sugars, processed flour, and all manner of disease-causing carbs.  But I’m 42, and there’s a family history of high cholesterol…so I need to say bye-bye to butter, bacon, cheese, salami, sausage, and all of the very delicious things in this world. Speaking of sausage, we move on to “sausage legs” and other urban dictionary worthy terms.  “Dog in the Bathtub” anyone?  No?  No. And we finish with the PPAP song.  You don’t know it?  Oh boy, get ready for the most insistent and annoying ear worm since…I dunno…Gangham Style?  We Built This City?  And we start things off with my boy, dropping Sikh beats, Daler Mehndi with, “Tanuk Tanuk Tun.” We present to you, “Sausage Legs and Apple Pens. (SLAP).”  

In June 2016 Rose set off on the Pennine Way. A 270 mile route up the spine in the northern part of the UK through two National Parks which finishes the other side of Hadrians Wall. On this trip she decided to take Pip her 3 year old Springer Spaniel who is up for a walk anytime of day and anywhere. The more muddy the better. However this time the dog was carrying a pack along with Rose and they set off from Edale on an overcast and dreary day. This podcast is all about all the long term preparation, planning which goes into a walk like this and unforeseen circumstances which can suddenly happen and change everything in the blink of an eye.

Jen is egg Yoda. Call her Yolka. (Do you say “yolk,” with the L or “yoke,” without?) She runs the diner on Huevoba. She’s an 8th degree black belt in chewdo. The breakfast Buddha. The Jehova of the ova. The french fried hakuna frittata. And Maddy? A scrambled eggs Jedi master, Maddy is. She’s received the congressional medal of eggcellence. Really, people, these chicks can cook some eggs, and I count myself, before I hatch, among the eggceptionally fortunATE (albu)men to roost among such protein prowess. Even Kate, the crack-head Springer Spaniel, loves the eggs. However, Jen simply can’t handle the sound of the licking. (If Kate were a foley artist, her egg-plate-licking might be used for a carcass-sluruping octopus monster, or perhaps a National Geographic special on the movement of slugs on the ground with ultra-high-definition recording equipment. I’m sure you can come up with something grosser, or funnier. Take a listen.) We talk about asiago (“Awe-zee-awe-goh” in Pittsburghese), lying about the Cheese-Its, and shame eating. We stumble upon a profound insight: Just because your name is Gary Glitter doesn’t mean you’ll end up in jail for child porn. But there he sits, perhaps composing, “Rock and Roll, Part 3” while clinching his anal sphincter for dear life. Unrelated to Mr. Glitter and his horrendous behavior, we land on puberphonia. Odd, that. But I digress. And what did we drink? Two delicious brews. Like, exceptionally delicious, people. Get these. They’re fairly easily obtainable in Pennsylvania and New York. Voodoo Hoodoo and Southern Tier Crème Brule. And the music you’ll be enjoying? “Egg Song” and “Egg Man.” They have parallel grammatical structures, but are otherwise unrelated in almost every way conceivable. Have fun, we present to you, “The Jehova of the Ova.”    (You know nothing, egg man.)

On today’s D2D pod, we take it to the back yard. You’ll hear the sounds of a crackling fire, active birds, and an excitable Springer Spaniel. The drink for this meditative mood? Wigle Whiskey Wapsie Valley Corn Bourbon. It deserves ALL capitals and alliteration. Yeah, it’s super good. (You ought to get you some!) Jen invents, or at least officially introduces into our lexicons, the “smip,” or the smell+sip. Greg has a bit of a soliloquy. A solilo-G. Sit back, relax, and enjoy. We present, “In the Quiet Spaces.”

To make this experience different the two ladies in my life joined me as I headed into wet Wales (once again) to Llantony Abbey. Rose and Pip our Springer Spaniel 18 month old dog. It was the Pip's first time wild camping and we hoped she would enjoy it. Camping in the snow and sub zero temperatures was the only concern as we didn't want to put her off future adventures. We survived and here's the podcast to tell the tale. Includes a review of the Aarn Featherlite Freedom Pack.