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Register for the next LIVE episode at ClubHouseWithRussell.com Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey, what's up everybody. It's Russell. Welcome back. I hope you liked the last episode. What you think about a live version of the marketing secret show? Anyway I hope you guys enjoyed it. First off, I think it brings a different energy level. When I know it's live, I got to show off to all the people I get to see their faces. It's hopefully you guys enjoyed that part of it. And hopefully, went to clubhousewithrussell.com and when registered so that you, that way, when we do the next live podcast, you can be on it. So that's the first thing. And then number two is, this episode we're actually going to share the Q and A's, there's about 40 minutes of Q and A with people who were there. And so in the future, if you want me to answer your questions, like, come on the show, go to the clubhouse with russell.com register, show up on the show, and then I'll talk about a concept and then we'll open the lines for Q and A. And you see some people got hot seats coaching sessions during this Q and A, which is really fun. But I think the reason I want to share these with you here, because I think most of the conversations that happened, there's something that each of you could learn from those conversations. So I hope you enjoy it. And again, if you do, make sure again, go to clubhousewithrussel.com and register, and that way you can potentially be on our next live show and get your questions answered. So with that said, theme song, we come back, you guys will have a chance to do the Q and A, for part two from our last episode, which we talked about the real secret behind the value ladder, and you hear everybody's questions and hopefully we get some gold for you in the conversations. With that said, queue up the theme song, and we'll see you guys soon. I don't normally do a lot of Q and A cause I just always get nervous that someone's going to ask me one of those questions. And so, but we're going to do it. Yhennifer, is going to help me out here. We're going to bring some of you guys up to stage. So if you've actually... Yhennifer, what's the process, they want to ask a question to come stage, they have feedback, or they want to talk about their value ladder or whatever, what's the process? How do we play this game? Yhennifer: Yeah. So let's do this. So this is the process guys. There is the little hand in the bottom. I see it going up the numbers. So make sure that if you want to ask a question or add on to this conversation and bring some value, you can actually raise your hand. We'll start bringing up five people at a time, and then we will let you ask your questions. So make sure that you also invite some new people, right? We can still invite people as we're here on this call. Everybody will get a chance to listen in this awesome value. And then one more thing I want to share before we bring people up, is that a reminder that this is being recorded, so this conversation is going to be recorded and let's see, we're going to bring up a few people as you come on here, please mute yourself. And we'll unmute you one at a time, that way there is no static in the background. Yhennifer: Okay. All right. We got a few people that we invited on this stage. So we'll start with the first one, Stacy. Stacy is a health coach Institute founding partner, bootstrap from startup to 270 amazing team members. So welcome Stacy to the call. We're so excited to have you here. What question do you have for Russell? Stacy: Hi Russell. Russell: Hi Stacy? Stacy: I haven't followed you in a long, long time so I'm excited to finally get to talk to you. Russell: Oh, really good. Stacy: My question is when you are first introducing someone into your ecosystem and you have this product suite, do you have a value ladder that you present at the beginning? So just real quick, ours is, we have a call center, so we're doing cold traffic to a call center basically. I mean, we have a Funnel in all of that, but just in the beginning, people seem surprised that we're a school. So they take the initial program and that there'll be graduate programs on non and ours are all pretty high ticket offers. We're not doing $27. Our first program is like $5,000, but still we want them to be able to ascend. And so do you have an Ascension map and saying, "Hey, you're going to be here for the long term. Here's what it looks like." Russell: Yeah, definitely. Stacy: That makes sense question. Russell: Good question. So a couple of things. So I'm going to answer two folks. One of them answers your question. One will answer probably people whose businesses may not have started at 5,000. So I'll kind of answer both ways and then we can go deeper. But so in our world we have so many front end offers because I love creating front end offers. And so we're driving traffic to front end offers plus the events all over the place. And so what happens to someone, they couldn't click on an ad and they made the first thing they see is just our events or a high-end coaching, excuse me, or something like that. So whenever they do that, it goes through that initial sequence of three or four emails that are tied to that Funnel. And then they're done, it drops them into a followup Funnel that starts at the very beginning of our value ladder. And so it's a 60 email sequence that I wrote that I sat down and said, "Okay. If my mom was to come into my world, she doesn't want a Funnel. Is she barely knows an Instagram is, what would be the process? How would I grab her hand and take her through this process? What would it look like?" And so the first thing I would do is I would show her this video on YouTube that I did that actually explains this concept. Then number two, I would show her my book. Number three, I would have listen to these three podcasts episodes. Number four... And I sat down and mapped that out, where I would take my mom if she was coming into my world for the very first time. And so we wrote that out and it took a long time. It was kind of a pain, but it was worth it. We wrote a six email sequence that takes them through all of the Funnels and the videos and the podcast things in order that I think is the best strategic order. So I'm go through them and a rolled those out put them in a sequence. And now everyone joins my world. They may get like one or two emails about whatever the thing is that they registered for. And it was done. It drops into that sequence and it takes them through the path that slowly sends them through all the core offers and training and everything we have a in the most strategic order. So that's kind of the first half of it. The second side, I think you were more talking about is when someone comes in and they pay 5,000 and you have this Ascension yeah, for me, I used to have multiple high-end coaching programs until a year and a half ago, or maybe two years ago, we took down the Inner Circle, but at Funnel Hacking Live, we're kind of reopening three programs. We have our two Common Club X our Inner Circle in our category Kings. And inside of that, everyone's going to know that like, here's the Ascension, right? If you're a zero to a million dollars before you got a two comma club award, this is where you live, you live in two comma club X until you've gotten that. And you've earned it, now you move up to Inner Circle. And the Inner Circles from a million to 10 million, that's where you live to get 10 million. And from there, you send up to a category King and so they see that and it's in front of them. And the more you talk about it, the more you mentioned it, the more people naturally want to send up. In fact, when I launched my Inner Circle, most of the marketing happened on my podcast. I would just talk about my Inner Circle members all the time. And people start messaging me. Like, "I just want to be in the inner circle so bad." And they kept seeing that that was the essential naturally wanted to go. And so I just talked about all the time. I put those people on my stages. I told stories about them and the books I told about them. And I was always just talking about my Inner Circle members. And naturally, people keep seeing that. And they certain wanting to, this is what I want to go. This is the path. This is the journey I want to go on. And so, anyway, I don't know if that answers your question, but that's kind of how we structure it for people to be able to see. Stacy: You did. You just totally sparked something for me that I wasn't thinking about before. Thank you so much. Russell: Sweet. Well, great to meet you officially. Thanks for hanging out. Yhennifer: Thank you Stacy for being here. Awesome. So now we're going to move on to Ryan Peterson. So Ryan is a digital marketing strategist, voice of the Entrepreneur Secrets Podcast and holds up the one percent summit. Welcome Ryan. Ryan Peterson: Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me up. Yeah. Russell, my question which is people who are starting out start on their value ladder. I mean, mapping it out is one thing, but where should I really focus my efforts and energy to get the most value, I guess for myself? Russell: So wait, say that again, your phone broke up a little bit. So you're saying you have your value out, you mapped it out. Where should you be focusing on? Is that what you said? Ryan Peterson: Yes. Exactly. Like what stage of the value ladder should I be focusing on? Russell: So show me where your business is right now. How much do you have built out? Where's it at right now? Ryan Peterson: Yeah, so right now, I have a podcast that is been a little difficult to going to create content daily and whatnot with had a baby recently in any way. And then I had a summit that I launched was a lot of fun and what I realized I don't have a next stage of my value ladder built out yet. And sitting back and thinking about it. I figured I should have thought out kind of the more pillars of my value ladder before I really start on the front end. And I'm assuming I was probably premature in building out the beginning of my value ladder without something more valuable towards the end, if that makes sense. Russell: Got you. I know where that's coming from. So I'd say a couple of things. I do think it's important people to start publishing and doing a summit or something initially, just because it gets momentum, gets you talking to people, finding your voice, like in our coaching programs, we start with that. But then the next thing is, you're saying, where do I make money, right? Where should I focus at? And so it's funny because when I first, this is like always been my biggest fear with talking about a value ladder is, if I can remember when I wrote the Dotcom Secrets Book, my first group of people that came into coaching afterwards was like, "Okay, Russell. So first I'm going to write my book, then I'm going to do my thing. And when they had the whole value ladder and all the stuff they were going to do." And I was like, "Wait, what?" The book is the hardest thing ever. Took me a decade to write a book. Don't start there. That was the biggest thing. Or they were trying to get all the things in place before the launch, any of it. And I'm a big believer nowadays. I try to guide as many people as possible. It's like, "Start at the very beginning." Where if you're doing a summit, doing podcasts, whatever, just to get the motion, getting into momentum. And then for me, the thing that I think is the best and just can be different for everybody. But for me, it's doing something about the thousand dollar price point and doing a webinar for it, right? Because I obviously love webinars, but that's where I focus at. Or if... I guess partially depends on the skill set of the entrepreneur, right? If you think you can be good at a webinar, that's where I would lead as my first big thing that I'm going to be spending a lot of money on, driving traffic and stuff like that. Some people are better on phone, right? If that's the case, I've started the higher ticket offer. Some people are horrible on the phone, horrible presenters, if so, I would do more of a traditional sales Funnel, where it's more written copy and stuff like that, kind of depending on your skill set, but I would definitely be picking one of those. I don't think you did out of order. I think the order's correct. I think it's starting publishing, is doing a summit because the summit introduced you as your dream 100, you get to know people, you start building a little bit of list. And now with that list, now you're able to go back and say, "Okay. Hey guys, my webinars starting come registered for my webinar. You have a chance to test it against traffic who knows who you are." And the second phase is, "Okay, here's all the people I interviewed in my summit. Now it's dream 100. Now, let's do a promotion to each of their lists, promoting the webinar, right?" And then that starts getting webinars better and cleaner and more efficient. And then the third step now is like, "Okay, I promote to my list. I promoted my dream one hundreds of lists. Now I'm going to go out and start buying Facebook ads or buying traffic to push people to the webinar." That's literally how we launched Clickfunnels. It was exactly that, right? I spent a lot of time building relationships with people through summits and other things. And then when Clickfunnels launched, we did a big webinar to our own list, made a bunch of money, which our dream 100 list made a bunch of money. And it wasn't till, I think we were probably year, year and a half into Clickfunnels before we ever bought our first ad. And before that it was all just focusing on those relationships we built through our own efforts. And so I think I would probably recommend something similar for you as you've done the first two steps. If you've done a summit, you got some relationships now, now it's like, okay, go and build your webinar or whatever the bigger one is. And now you can leverage your list and your relationships to launch it. And then from there you start transitioning to paid ads. Does that make sense? Ryan Peterson: Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much. That was invaluable. Russell: Very cool. No worries. Thanks for hanging out. Yhennifer: Awesome Ryan, thank you for being here. Now, we're going to bring up Mark. Mark helps real estate agents and teams to automate processes using workflows to scale their businesses while protecting their families time. Mark, what is your question? Welcome to the call today. Mark: Well, first off I just wanted to say thank you, thank you, thank you, Russell, for what you have done. Honestly, I am the product of the value ladder. I had zero comprehension of what you do and have done all these years until November. And I've spent the last 30 years developing software for real estate agents using what we call workflows and it's different than Funnels and stuff like that, but it has some similar. Not sure where I needed to go. And whenever I saw, I forget what it was that actually started at first, there was some kind of free thing that you had. Then I got the three books. I read through the three books. I did the one Funnel away challenge twice. We've already signed up for Funnel Hacking Live. I want to be on the two comma club by September, if not, I mean, it will be September of next year whenever you have it. But the whole idea of the frameworks that you brought to me, I just want to say thank you. Russell: That's awesome. Mark: It's just been amazing what it has spurred in my mind because of what you have taught, not only the free stuff but even the low level price stuff. I mean, just amazing. So I would love to buy you a dinner sometime and just take your brain. I know everybody else does too, but golly, you do not know what you have done to touch my life in the lives of my family. So just want to say thank you. Russell: That's amazing. I like you for that. I appreciate that. We've got a shot. If you would ask me a question to pick my brain right now, we got a moment. Mark: Well, you start talking about the frameworks and stuff, that was my biggest aha, was the frameworks, was the four core pieces of, four core strategies and I've come up with details and stuff. And right now it's just content. I'm just trying to build the content. And I am failing in providing that on a regular basis, but I'm in the muck of building other content. And I started the idea of building a book. And then you made some kind of comment in a previous thing. It's like, put that off until later. It's like, okay, I'll put that off the later. But I am building kind of the topics of that and that'll come eventually, but man, it's just like a light bulb went off and my energy has just gone through the roof. My wife is saying, who is this guy? Russell Brunson, because he has changed my husband. And it's just been amazing. So that's all I wanted to say. Which is thank you. Yhennifer: Okay. Russell: Thank you, man. I feel great. Thank you. Yhennifer: Russell, this is the part where you put the mic drop, you do the thing in the background. Russell: There we go. I appreciate it. Yhennifer: Thank you, Mark for being here. We appreciate you so much and see you at Funnel Hacking Live. Awesome. Russell: Absolutely. Yhennifer: Now, yeah, we're going to bring on Ms Bates. She is a certified life coach. Best-Selling author. Master EFT practitioner. Welcome today to this call. Let us know what you have for Russell. Any questions? Welcome. Ms Bates: Well, thank you. So Russell, I love you. I know it's a crazy way to start but, I just do. Oh my God. Yhennifer: That got real weird, real fast. Ms Bates: I know. It's just amazing. You have been such an inspiration to me. I'm a solopreneur and I'm just so grateful for everything that you've done and that you put out. Russell: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Ms Bates: So here's my question. I'm a solopreneur and I've been working on different lead magnets. I've been testing different things like meditations or like do's and don'ts lists. But my question is once someone is in that Funnel, right, they go through that. My desire is to have them come to me for one-on-one coaching and then to put them into a group coaching program. And I'm wondering what the length of my email sequence should be. Russell: Got you. So walk me through what it looks like right now. So they come through a lead magnet and from there you're selling them into a high end thing. Is that right? That's the first thing? Ms Bates: Right. Russell: And what's the price point of the higher end thing? Ms Bates: The price point of the high end thing. It's a six months, $6,000. So if that is something that's out of their price range, then I down sell them into a group. Russell: Got you. And then what's the price on the group? Ms Bates: And the price on the group is 199 a month or 1997 for the year. Russell: Very cool. Do more people want to do the one-on-one work with you or the more do the group or is it kind of a just... Ms Bates: More people want to do the one-on-one work with me. I'm starting to try to move away because what I'm looking to do is scale, right? Which of course my time I can do more with a group than I can with the with the one-on-ones. So that's, I'm just trying to figure out how long I should be nurturing them? Russell: Yeah. The reality is especially those are the two core things you're selling. It's not so much how long do I do it for, it's part of everything you're doing right? It becomes part of your communication. You should be talking about it at everything. Do you know what I mean? For a long.. So it's not just like a 10 day or 30 day email sequence or whatever. It should be weaved into everything you're doing. So every communication, every email, every podcast, everything you're doing is always talking about these things and the people you have a chance to work with. I'd almost flip it around because you're going six... Are all the sales happening on the phone right now, or people buying just organically yet? Ms Bates: Nope. They're all happening on the phone. So it's all me like I'm doing the sales call, I'm doing everything. Russell: Is it what you got? Or do you like it? Ms Bates: I'm kind of falling in love with the sales part of it. So I want to get good at that before I outsource that. Russell: Yeah. Because I would almost flip it around a little bit where let's say, because you're saying you're into EFT as well, right? Is that what the coaching is based on that or something different? Ms Bates: Yeah, it primarily is based on that. Russell: Oh, very cool. So if I was doing it, I would make friends that are tied to specific things, right? Because I'm assuming you're doing tapping for, like you focusing on anything or is it like just kind of tapping as a whole? Ms Bates: Yeah. So for whatever reason, my focus has lately been it's multilevel marketing that are in the mid tier and they're having blocks getting to their next level. And so trauma resilience is a part of my passion and I know that those kinds of blocks show up for people. So I help people power through that and then get to the next level. Russell: Very cool. So I'd almost have something where the front end is tapping for trauma or for whatever it is, like something that comes in there. And then the first thing I would try to sell them is the $200 a month program. It's similar to that. I think that's if going to Annie Grace, she's the alcohol experiment. If you look at her model kind of Funnel hacker, that's what she's doing. She has a webinar right now that sells I think it's the same price 200 bucks a month. Or they can buy a year for, what is that? I think a year for 1997 for two grand, basically I believe is what her model is and that's where everyone goes through initially. She's not talking to those people, it's all being sold through a webinar and then after they've gone through like an hour long webinar, some signups some didn't. But then from there, the next part of the sequence is like, "Hey, if you're interested getting one-on-one help with me, go fill out the application here." And what'll happen is a couple of things, is it you'll start making money on a whole bunch of people you never talked to, which is nice, right? That's the first step. And the second step is that then when you start getting people on the phone, those people are going to be way easier to close because they sat through a 90 minute webinar with you. They’ve seen the value in those kinds of things. The craziest thing is when we... So I had my first big coaching program, my Inner Circle I ran that and it was a lot of work we had, I don't know, 20 or 30 people in it at a time. And then that's about time to Clickfunnels' launch. Clickfunnels launched. And it was a 90 minute webinars selling a thousand dollar product. And we started doing that like crazy. And then what was insane is that somebody will watch the 90 minute webinar side of Clickfunnels, found my coaching page on the thank you page and start applying. And my program went from 30 people to a hundred people in like two months. Like it was just caught on fire because the sales calls now easy. They're like, "We just watched Russell those 90 minutes. We want that." I was like, "Okay." And we're trying to sell them. Literally this is my credit card. I don't need any selling. It became so easy because the webinar pre-framed them. And again, not everyone's signed for coaching. Tons of people bought Clickfunnels there. And then the cream of the crop rose up and they came and they were ready. It's almost like if you flip your model a little bit, I bet you'd have more success because first off you going to making money off people who you haven't talked to you and the people you talk to, you're going to be more pre-framed to actually come in and buy from you. Ms Bates: Thank you. So the invitation initially is for the webinar or do I still put them through, like go through the freebie and then to the webinar and then to the group on, so you're up moving back this up, you're saying make the offer on the webinar for the group and then an application to one-on-one coaching. So that's my offer? Russell: Are you in a webinar right now or? Ms Bates: No, I'm not doing a webinar. Russell: So first thing I do is whatever you do and I'll keep doing it because you don't want that to stop. Like somebody to be like, take your eye off the ball. I keep doing that. Just it's working. Don't mess with that. So that's for sale. On the side, I would start creating webinars specifically to sell your $200 a month program. And then you start driving traffic directly to that and that'll become this new path. And then when that past making more money than the other one, then I would transition everything over. But don't mess with those working right now. Because it's working, I don't want to affect your business, but this is how I think long-term, this will become something that will be much more sustainable, more powerful for you. Does that make sense? So that's kind of how I would do it. Ms Bates: It does. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I love you again. Russell: No worries. Love you too. Thanks for hanging out. Yhennifer: Awesome, Ms. Bates, I'm glad that you got your question answered guys. Just a reminder, you guys can add some people onto this call. We're still going to be here for a few more minutes. We're so excited to be here. Guys? Russell is dropping some nuggets, okay? People pay thousands of dollars to get this coaching. So I'm so excited for all you guys that get a chance to ask Russell questions. So now we are going to bring Richard. Richard is that how you pronounce your name? He's a travel advisor. A key to the world travel, Disney destination expert. If I messed up your name, I'm sorry, but I hope I'm saying it correctly, but it's your turn. Welcome to the call. Richard: Thank you guys so much for having me through. You can call me, Rich. Everybody can call me Rich. That's fine. Yhennifer: Rich. Richard: So Russell, just want to say, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm currently rereading probably the third or four time Expert Secrets. I was in Own Your Future this past week. I was part of that lead challenge that you had, the five day lead challenge. I like in your world, bro. So just want to say, thank you. Russell: Thanks man. Glad to have you here. Richard: Yeah. So my question is really so as a travel agent really my value ladder is bringing leads in, educating them on the best, we'll take Disney for instance, the best Disney vacation ever, right? I provide value, value, value, and then they go through their trip and then after that it's pretty much done. So that's kind of like the result, right? If I was to say, a problem to solution. My question is for you, what else should I think about to really continue to bring more value? And really, I don't have like a $7 lead magnet to a $97 to a mastermind to Inner Circle, all that how should I be thinking about my value ladder? Russell: So right now taught value ladder, someone goes through is a Disney cruise or Disney trip, what exactly are they getting in the end? Richard: So doesn't matter. It could be Disney world vacation, Disney cruise, basically it's a vacation. Russell: Got you. One thing, so my family has done a bunch of Disney vacations. We just got back a little while ago from one and it was funny. We were joking. We did our first Disney cruise. Like when you get on the boat, there's the dudes with the big old Disney hand or Mickey mouse hands on their high five. And you're coming on and they're giving you drinks. This is amazing experience coming on, it's the photograph and you need to get on the boat. And then the boat's amazing. And then when the cruise is done, you get off and there's no one greeting you it's like dead. When you walk off, it's like they shove you out to the buses. And you're just like, "Wow. It's over that. That experience has ended really bad." And it was funny, because then the next time we're booking a cruise, right? The last thing you remember from Disney was just like horrible experience where it's just ended. And we're sitting by the buses waiting for our thing. It ended on this really down note as opposed to an up note. Richard: Oh no. Russell: And so then we're like, Worsley book cruise and right? Well, Disney was cool, but it's kind of weird at the end. And then, so we booked with a Norwegian next time or whatever. And so it's the little things like that. So like I would be looking at okay, because obviously in a business like that, people who do those things, do those things, right? We did Disney, we did the VIP tours, did all kind of stuff. And we spent a lot of money and it's awesome, and we had a great experience. And what's crazy to me just as a marketer is like, when we got done, they're like, all right, we'll see you. And I'm just like, you realize people come to Disney and pay for VIP tours, come to Disney and pay for VIP tours. I was like, why didn't somebody Jetta offers something right there and right. Or the next day, or call us next week. Like, how was the experience? What was it like? Nobody did that to me. And I was like, we probably would have been probably still will because the experience was great. We'll probably re-booking for whenever, but they could have doubled their money right then on the spot while we're at the peak of emotional intensity, as opposed to waiting further down the line, that'd be the first thing we're looking at is like, how do you capture that right? In a way that now you can like, get them booked on the next thing. Especially again, people are paying higher and stuff. They travel more often. It can be every six months they're looking for something like that. And that becomes this huge high ticket recurring program. That'd be the first thing I would kind of think through. Do you have a process now when someone finishes that you take them through to get them to re up for the next thing? Richard: Yeah. I'm working on my follow-up scripts right now. The email followups after they've gone through. And then, yeah, even just what you were saying, what happens now? What happens next? They're kind of like in this, I had an amazing experience and then kind of the experience kind of dies off. Russell: Yeah. Had to get that back up and because that'd be the biggest thing. Because now you're not going and finding a new lead, convincing them, you're going through a process like it's, you've got them. You just got to get them to it again. Mark Joyner, was my first mentor and his second book is called the Great Formula. And inside the book, he says the secret to successful businesses is getting your customers to take a second drink, right? The first drink is like, you just go through all this effort from the ad to the conversion, to everything for the first drink. And we got him and then we like forget about and go try to get more people to give him drinks. Like, no, they're like the money in your business, which just comes back to value ladders, is like the second drink, right? Because that's all pure profit. You don't have to get the ad. You don't have to do the stuff. They're already sold. You just got to ask them for a second drink. And it's shifting the focus to that. Because I'm assuming you got a lot of things happening on the front end. It's just, man, how do you get the second, third and fifth vacation? And who do they know that can vacation with them, right? Like we vacation with our friends now. And so it's like, we have a good experience. The next trip. Usually we're riding our friends. So it's like, Hey, let's build a bigger trip. Like who else can you bring? You bring your family, your friends, and crafting something with them where now that's just for you, it's just pure profit. Richard: Yeah. I'm even going through Expert Secrets. And I don't want to take up too much of the time. Sorry. Just even thinking about, who do I want to serve, right? I've been called to serve a certain group and I have that kind of my avatar down. And so it's just serving them. It's not just Disney cruises or Disney vacations. It's, "Hey, have you thought about an all-inclusive Cancun resort?" Something different but still an experience that they can have. And there like you said, I think I like what you said in terms of just keep that first drink, that second drink, that third drink. So maybe just thinking about my email or marketing afterwards, if it's a survey, if it's something and just say, "Hey, how was it? What'd you like about it? Hey, did you know that this is happening? And you can book this next time." Russell: Oh yeah. I think even pre-building a trip. My wife would get stuff sometimes in email, or she'll see people, our friends on social media who posts these pictures from this trip. And then she's, "Oh, where'd they go?" And she'll call them up and find out. And then we ended up going that same trip. We would do those kinds of things versus like, Hey, here's getting them to socially share trip with other people. And then vice versa is like you coming to them like, Hey, so inside of our community here, we've got this community of, I don't know, whatever you call them are our community of travelers, right? And here's someone just went to Mexico, check out what they get in, check out this trip. And here's four or five people on trips. If you want info on these trips, let me know we can connect you with the same thing. But look at these pictures from everybody and creating a culture like that, where everybody is kind of sharing their trips amongst each other. And then you're the one that's booking them back and forth and it can be really cool. Richard: I'm actually building the Facebook group right now. And that's where I'm funneling every everyone too. So that I can go live there. I can go talk to people and just tell them, "Hey, these people went on this trip." And then have them come on as a Zoom call and just talk about their trip and what they liked and maybe inspire others to book that same trip. Russell: Nice. Awesome, man. That's very cool. What a fun business. Richard: Thank you. Thank you very much. And like I said, thank you so much for all you did for me and just all the value you provide. Russell: Oh, no worries. I appreciate that. Yhennifer: Thank you. Rich. Thank you for being here. We're going to bring on JJ. JJ has helped celebrities, artists, big brands and media companies create over 650 million in revenue by building relationships, my favorite thing in the world. What questions do you have for us so JJ? JJ: Oh my God it's Russell. What's up Russell? All right. So how many questions? What's my limit? What's my limit here. Yhennifer: You get one. JJ: I get one. Oh, God. I got to make this good. Russell: Don't mess it up. JJ: Really long one or really short one? Russell: We'll see. Give us the first one first. Just kidding. JJ: All right. On a serious note. So before you hired the best community manager in the world, and brought her on your team, how did you build those relationships with, I mean, your company blew up, I've been watching you from the beginning and I mean, within just a year or two, you blow up faster than almost anybody in the digital space. How did you keep those connections and build those connections and keep that community strong? I mean, you have the biggest, and I hate to say the four letter word, cult, behind you in the world when it comes to software. How did you do that in your value ladder? Russell: That's such a great question. And it's funny because Dave would have, you guys know he's now the CEO Clickfunnels has been for the last almost a year now. He does a great job, but it's funny because he'll go off call and coming to me, he's like, man, Russell, you've dug your wells so deep. He's like people just say yes to anything I ask them to do. And I think it was what you understand is that people, depending on when you came into my world, when people come in, it's like you see something, you saw Clickfunnels, you saw this, you saw this. But what people don't know is that I was in this game for man probably, I mean, years now, 10, 12 years before we launched Clickfunnels. And that time was doing that building relationships. In fact, I joked at the very beginning of this, I've been doing this so long, before Facebook, before MySpace, like Friendster was the hot social network when I was in college, when I started this game. And Friendster did not have an ad platform, Google had an ad platform, but a year into my business, they the Google slap happened and it ended. So I had a decade where we were not able to buy ads. There was nowhere to buy ads. You can buy banner ads kind of, but they didn't work that well. And so all I could do, the only way to get traffic was through relationships. And so I went to every event. I have to go to events and find out who the people that have traffic. And this is for me, it's hard because I'm super introverted and scared to death of people. And so what I did is I found extroverts who I liked. I said, "Hey, come to this event, I'll pay for you to go with me." And we go to these events. I'm like, okay, I have to meet all these people because they have traffic. These people have email lists and they got a blog and they got these different things. And I spent a decade of doing that, right, of going and talking to people, getting to know them, building relationships using the assets I had to help them to promote them, to either promote their stuff or to help them with different things wherever I could do. And so I spent a lot of time doing that. I think that's what people don't understand. They think that like, oh, he came out of nowhere. It just blew up. It's no, I spent so much time going out and building relationships. So when Clickfunnels came about, it was nice because it wasn't me just cold calling and Hey, you're who I am yet, but you should pro Clickfunnels. It was like, Hey, this is Russell, and we're friends and this is this project I'm working on. What do you think about? What would you do if you were me and the most amazing minds in the world, sharing with me what they would do, if it was them and giving me ideas and strategies and then they felt like they were part of it when we launched it and rolled it out. And so I think that's a big part of it, obviously you're tied into the relationship side of things, but I don't think people put enough effort into that. They focus on the quick ask, the quick wins. And not like, how do I actually build a real relationship? I was telling someone because we were last week at the Dean and Tony launch and somebody asked me, how'd you get to know Tony Robbins? How did you know? And I was like, "Well, I spent 12 years of my life serving him in any way I could, before I ever asked him for anything." It was 12 years of like, let me just help him and help him and help him. And since then, man, he's done so much promoting the last three or four years. But it came from a decade of building relationship. And I think you can build a relationship faster than that. Tony's obviously super human and the hardest person on earth to get a hold of. But it comes with leading first, serving and having to help people and getting to know people and stuff like that. So, yeah, it was a lot of digging my well, before we launched ClickFunnels. JJ: Well thank you for saying that you're on the stage. Because you come into some of these clubhouse rooms and you get these marketers, "Oh, you got to buy ads. You've got to buy ads." I didn't buy ads for 10 years, myself. I mean, you know Brad Hart. I work with Brad Hart now. He didn't buy ads for the first five years of his business and build those relationships first. Thank you for saying that. But honestly you really, I mean, I think leveled up your game by hiring a community manager. She's up on the stage. She's keeps your community engaged. Love Yhennifer. So throwing some love towards Yhennifer. So my second question... Yhennifer: It has to be quick, Jay. JJ: It's fast. You can beat me later. What is your favorite Oreo cookie? Russell: My favorite Oreo cookie. So actually when Collette and I got married, they toilet paper our car, we were driving out and they got Oreos and they stuck them to the side of the car, but the Oreos had pop rocks inside the frosting. And I remember pulling off the car and I was like, "This is disgusting, but I love pop rocks." And so, yeah. And I don't think I've seen pop rock Oreo frosting since then. But if they ever bring it back, I will be the first in line. So that'd probably be my favorite. I don't know. JJ: Oh. Yhennifer: That was a good one. Russell: That was worth it. Yhennifer: You guys heard it. You guys heard it first. If you find that out there, go ship it to the Clickfunnels headquarters, because boss we'll be happy. Russell: Oh man. Yhennifer: That was so good. All right. My girl McCall. McCall is the founder of Charisma Hacking. What question or anything you want to add? Russell: And hold on. And she's a speaker at this year's Funnel Hacking Live event. Yhennifer: Are you going to to be there? I'm so excited. First of all, before we get McCall to talk, guys, if you have not bought your tickets to Funnel Hacking Live, go to funnelhackinglive.com, get your tickets and I'll see you guys there. McCall, the mic is yours. McCall Jones: Oh my gosh. Hi friends. Thanks so much. I was just going to add two things that helped the value ladder really make sense for me in the last year and a half. Since I started this. Russell, you know I study everything that you do. And the first thing that I did was read.comsecrets. Something that was a little bit hard for me at the beginning that, I mean, you teach on all these things, but it was the one product will create the problem that the next one will solve. And the first thing that I thought was like, "Oh my gosh, I have to create those problems. And I have to create those problems for people to ascend my value ladder." You had said something, I don't remember if it was in a podcast or I just heard you speak on a live somewhere, but you talked about the customer Ascension ladder and kind of the education part of it. And it put it all into perspective for me of the way that all of the sudden, I was able to shift my mind instead of being like, "Hey, you have to create problems from the bottom up and the problems that one will solve, it will open up a new problem to create the next product and all of that." Instead I thought, "Okay, the customer Ascension, where do you eventually want people to go?" So your Inner Circle and your category Kings and all of that, and then map out the steps that it takes to get there. And then with each program, with each step of the value ladder, it's just like, "Oh, what do you need to educate people on in order for them to want to join the next program, right? So it's an educational process that helped me with the very bottom of it, because I know that I think it was Ryan was talking about summits and creating consistent content and all of that. When I put it into education, all of a sudden the bottom of the value ladder made so much more sense to me because at the beginning, nobody knew what gurus Maggie was, right. It was like what the heck was that? Russell: You had invented a new term. Yeah. McCall Jones: Yeah. It was like, this is crazy. And it's hard to do that, right. You know you're in a really scary place in business where you're trying to solve a problem that people don't think that they have. And this education kind of form of this value ladder when you said that it really helped me think like, "Oh, okay. The bottom of my evaluator needs to be educating on my frameworks." So my whole opt-in bottom of the value ladder, what people can do with podcasts or the video content they're creating the summits, all those kinds of things. If they're consistently educating on their frameworks at the bottom, right? They first let people know what they're doing, right? And the problem that they're solving. And then from there, it's like, okay, now that you know what the problem is, and you can accurately say, oh, I do have that problem. Wow. Then you can move them up into paid products, and you can continue to educate them until they get to the highest level. But that was the thing that helped me the most, because at first with the problems, it was just hard for my brain to kind of wrap around it. And then it was like, oh, if you can accurately help somebody get through one specific step and then educate them on what they need to know in order to join the next program, then they will continue to ascend your value ladder because they will have a problem that's solved and they will have the education they need in order to address that they have a new problem. So that was something that helped me. Yeah. Guys, come to Funnel Hacking Live. You have to be there. Russell: Yeah. The thing I would add to that too, is like, I think a lot of times people are so stressed. I got to figure all these pieces and all the things. And one thing that I noticed when I first started doing this and I've noticed other people's that a lot of times you don't know what the next thing is until you start doing your thing, right? You start selling your product. For me, it was funnels, funnels, funnels. I wrote the book, we created a software and all sorts of stuff, that was it, right? That was the plan. And then as people started signing up and they buy the book and buy the funnels, then it was the next question kept coming and coming, it wasn't me making this up. It was like, oh, here's the question that everybody keeps asking like, okay, how do I solve that problem? How do I solve that problem? So the customers will bring you the problem. You don't have to invent them. You just do your thing in the best of your ability. And then listen. And if you listen, then the next thing will come to you and you know exactly what to do so. McCall Jones: Another really interesting, I'm so sorry. I just will be really fast. But at the beginning, I've built these frameworks for 20 years, but I didn't know what my people needed. And if you try to force what you know on people, instead of what they need, then your products won't sell, right. But instead it was exactly what you said, as far as finding your voice, the same thing was, I think it was Dave who just popped into this room, Hi Dave? It's about finding your frameworks, right? So creating your content and making sure that you're publishing on a consistent basis. It's creating these frameworks and refining them and seeing what sticks for people. And then it's not just like, well, I know this, that's what I should create a product around. It's like, no, no, no. People will listen. And they will. It's exactly what you said. They will tell you that market research is so invaluable. And then in that next program, if you're building it from the ground up, then you educate them. You listen to their problems and you let them ask questions and then they will reveal what that next product needs to be. Super interesting. Russell: Very cool. Well, thanks for call. Excited to see you again soon at funnel hacking live with all of you guys here who are listening in as well. I hope it's going to be amazing. Yhennifer: Awesome guys. Make sure that you click on that little greenhouse, make sure that you're following the Marketing Secrets Live Club. There's going to be many more. Right, Russell? Russell: Yeah, this was actually really fun. I hope... Did you enjoy Yhennifer? That was fun. Yhennifer: It was amazing obviously, listening to you. The value that you provide and also being able to speak to our funnel hackers here that we're excited to chat with you. Russell: Yeah. So I think the game plan we're going to try and keep news a few times. If it sticks, then we'll keep doing it. But I actually really enjoyed not just talking about topic and pushing the podcast. That was nice to get feedback or questions or like getting McCall, like doubling down. Like it's something I learned that helped me to make sense. And that was way more valuable to have that a as actual application of the concept, not just the concept. So I loved it. It was fun. So we'll let you guys know kind of moving forward when we'll keep doing these. But that was awesome. So thank you so much for helping facilitate it and make it all happen. Thank you guys all for listening. And will let you guys know when the next party is going to start. And I think, hold on, I got an outro. Should I do an outro? Yhennifer: Wait, before you put that outro, like do one of those money signs, money noises, things. Russell: Let's see. Yhennifer: Come on you got the buttons over there. Russell: There's a button there… We got… We're so funny. Yhennifer: That is amazing. All right. So we're going to close out with this out show. Thank you so much guys, for being here. See you guys in the next one. Russell: All right. Thanks everybody.

Here is the exciting final part of this special three episode series! On this episode, Russell and Josh talk quite a bit about the new book Russell is currently working on! The new book will be the first (of possibly many) personal development book that Russell has written. We also get to hear why Russell loves to write books and why he thinks everyone should write one. So listen in to the final part of Russell and Josh’s “Outwitting The Devil” interview. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody. This Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the third and final episode from the Outwitting The Devil interview with Josh Forti. Hopefully you enjoyed the first two episodes. If you missed any of them, go back and listen to episode one, two and this is part three of three. In this one, Josh started asking me questions about my new books. Why I was so excited about Outwitting The Devil, by how I'm using this? Why I'm writing my fourth book and a bunch of other really cool things. So I hope you enjoy it. And you've enjoyed this interview series, please let me know, let Josh know. The best way to do that is take a picture of any of these on your phone, post them on your social media and tag me and him and let us know what you thought about the episodes. Thanks again, you guys. I appreciate you all for listening with that said, let's queue up the exciting conclusion of the Josh Forti, Russell Brunson Outwitting The Devil Podcast interview. Josh Forti: Okay. I want to do this because we're talking about all these amazing books and I don't know, this is probably like two, three weeks ago. Maybe it's a little bit longer that. You start hinting on Instagram about this book. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh. There's another book? What could it possibly be?" And then last week I'm out here and you started telling me about it and what it is. Russell: Showing you the deal. Josh: It's not a marketing book. It's the next piece and it's your first ever... And I don't want to spoil it for them. I'm going to say it's like your first ever take at personal development. Talk to us about this book. When's it coming out? How did this come about and the details of that, because I'm super, super excited for it. Russell: I think it was my only, hopefully. But I said that about Dot Com Secrets too. Josh: I don't believe that at all. There's going to be a trilogy for... Russell you're going to be writing books till you die dude. Russell: I don't know. Writing is so painful but this one, again, it's me coming back. We launched Traffic Secrets. The world goes chaotic and I have more time and I'm trying to just occupy my mind. Josh: Which by the way, how perfect time. My heart was completely broken when you had to cancel the Traffic Secrets event because I was supposed to speak to there. I was like, "No." But how perfect of a timing was Traffic Secrets when- Russell: There are pros and cons of it. It was really good from a selling book standpoint. It was really hard for making New York times bestseller list, which we actually hit, which I'm still freaked out about. It was tough because Amazon wasn't shipping books. Things weren't shipped, all sorts of chaos. They said books weren't essential and so like it was hard to hit lists because you'd sell 10,000 copies of books in a week but Amazon was waiting two, three, four weeks to ship them because it wasn't... The way that the lists work is, how many did you sell in retail outlets? How many do you sell on USA today? All the things. And so when you have the big push, but then some books aren't being counted four or five weeks later because Amazon doesn't consider them essential. They're not sure when they can glut. Normally it takes 10,000 books or something to hit a bestseller list. We hit over 100,000 to be able to do it. It was way harder, way more stressful, but we got it. But it was easier to sell because I had more time. Anyway, a lot of pros with that. Plus it was crazy because in the beginning of the book I talked about there's a storm coming and then literally it was like, we're in the middle it. You should give this book right now... Josh: Literally right now. Russell: I think I'm similar to you. I think a lot of people in our community where it's just like, my mind is always spinning. I can't stop. Josh: I cannot shut it off ever. Russell: It's like there's got to be something I got to be thinking about. And again, it was harder me to find stuff for me to geek out on inside of marketing and business. It was just hard to find the next... I don't know. Every level you get to, it's harder to find the next level. I'm sure there's time where Michael Jordan's like, "I can't find people to push me anymore." Where do you go? And it's just like- Josh: Yeah. Like Tom Brady in the NFL just completely dominating every team that's out there. Yeah. That's right. Russell: Anyway. So not that I'm that level or anything. Josh: Right. Right. Right. Russell: For me it gets harder and harder- Josh: Likewise. Russell: To find things. I have to dig so hard to find the gold. And so I started just looking again at some of these things. And that's when I stumble on this book and just like, every page is gold and it's like I'm lit up again. I'm on fire. Again, I talked about earlier, for me one of my highest values is ROI. What's my return on my investment. So I'm learning these things. I'm growing myself personally, but I'm feeling empty because I'm not sharing them. So it's like, "What's the platform?" That's why I'm like, "Everyone go read this." I need to have this conversation with somebody. So having Dave reading it, everybody can get to read it I'm trying to read so I can get this conversations. Then when you're like, "Hey, do you want to talk about a podcast?" I said, "Yes." You forged some of this stuff because it's in me and if I can't contribute, it seems like I'm wasting it. And so there was this, there was other things. And I started looking more and more. Right now I've got five kids. Three of my kids are teenagers now and teenagers have been way harder than I ever thought or expected. It's weird. Kids are really fulfilling, but man teenagers have been just... It's different for me. I'm feeling like I have to grow to understand myself, but to also understand them. And what I envisioned my kids as teenagers are going to be what it is, has been so much different. I think for me, at times it got me depression, sadness and these things. And I was like, "I shouldn't be depressed this time in my kid's life. This is the greatest time I could be with them but I got to shift my mind." So it was me trying to do some work on myself, to fix myself. Not fix myself, but to get myself in a spot where I could enjoy the season. And then number two is how do I serve them now at this point? Because I envisioned the way I was going to serve my kids was when my dad did. Where I was like, he drove me to wrestling practice and we traveled the world, we worked out super hard because that's what I needed and I assumed that that's what my kids are going to need and it's not. That's not what they want. They want almost the opposite of those things. I'm like, "But I have these gifts. These skills I can give you." They are like, "I don't want them." I'm like, "I can help you start a business." Like, "We don't care." I get them value money because they've always had it. It's like all these things. Every gift that I have, it's like all my unique abilities I want to give my kids, they don't want it. So I'm learning this thing of well, instead of me trying to give my kids these things that I think that were so valuable to me. It's like, I have to sit back and understand what's actually valuable to them, which is so much harder and I'm learning this process. And so as I'm going through this lens of trying to learn these things, understand them, trying to figure them out for myself and I'm stumbling upon things like this and other things. It just got to a point where I was like, "I need to write this book first off for myself." If anyone who's done it, there's this weird thing as you start reading, you start seeing connections. You don't see any other spot. I feel like God opens up insights to you. They're just magical. Like I remember- Josh: When you start writing. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Yeah 100%. Russell: You have to get deep in a topic, you have studied all these things to figure things out. And I remember the first time I really understood this is, after I finished Traffic Secrets, I wanted to reedit DotCom and an Expert Secrets to publish the trilogy. So I went back. I remember reading those books and I was like, "Where did this stuff come from?" I was like, "This is good crap. I don't remember saying this or thinking that." I couldn't remember and- Josh: Interesting. Russell: It's the weirdest thing going back and fighting things. Somehow that was given to me because that was not something that I just intuitively knew. And I feel like for me, I wanted to start the book journey because I'm searching for these answers. The premise of the book is not, "I have all the answers, let me give them to you." I'm in the season where I'm going through it again and let me share through I'm learning on this journey because I'm learning some amazing things. And as I'm sharing as I'm writing them, again these insights keep popping in and it's fascinating. So I'll be doing something, I'll be doing something and I have a doodle. I'm like, "Oh my gosh." I run to Dave I'm like, "Look at this." He's like, "What am I explaining?" He's like, "I never saw it before." New to that. It showed up when I'm in this intense time. And so it's been fun as I'm writing it because these insights are coming at a speed that they don't normally come in. Josh: And I think also- Russell: It's really funny. Josh: I think... Hold that train of thought. I want you to keep going on that. But I've noticed that as well, when it comes to reading books. Reading a book and then applying the book, those are two very different things. I have read Expert Secrets, Dotcom Secrets, Traffic Secrets. And I'm going through, I've not read the hardcover of Expert Secrets. I've only read the soft cover. So right now I'm going through and yes, two nights ago I started it and it's- Russell: You started the hardcover? Josh: Yeah. I'm going through, I'm listening to it and I'm reading it and I'm taking notes- Russell: Get the hardcovers. They're way better than softcovers. Josh: So I'm going through all this stuff. For the last four or five, six months, all I've been doing, I have no front end products of my own. I'm not building anything. All I'm doing is working with big campaigns on the backend. It's like full out stuff. We're doing stuff with cash phones. All these stuff is up and I'm going through and actually inboxed you. I was like, "Dude. People say they've read this book but they haven't." They've read the words, but it's totally different when you actually experience it. And you're watching where it all fits in and you start to see how it all clicks together. So that broke from the reverse angle of when you're writing it and trying to put it on in together is what you're talking about here. Russell: Yes. It's super fascinating. So it's been fun. I'm excited. So my goal, I'm trying to get it done by summer for it to be a launch in March. So if you published traditionally, this publishing schedule is really, really long. So if you are going to read it in March, I'd have to have it done by June. Josh: If we want to read in March of next year, you have to have it done by June this year. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Dang. Russell: So that's where I'm at. So I'm also with the first section of the book and there's four sections. Back then this month I spent the section number one and then that's where I'm at. Josh: Do we get to know what it's called? Do you have a title yet? Russell: I do. I don't want to show a title yet because I don't want someone going and- Josh: Oh, that's true. Russell: "You guys all suck." And buys those domains up and they start like SEOing me and beating me and all that stuff. But it's going to be cool. It's a study of two things. So I'll give you this part. This is the subtitle. So subtitle, something Tony Robbins talks a lot about, but it's the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment. These two things. How do achievers achieve? And then how do you actually get fulfilled? Because it's fascinating. I think- Josh: Interesting. Russell: I see my own life. I achieve something thinking that, "When I achieve this thing, I'm going to be fulfilled and happy and everything." And you achieve the thing and you're like, "I'm not happy." And you figure that achievement and fulfillment, they don't work hand in hand. It's a science of achievement, which that's why science achieves more scrutiny. It's like, "Here's a step-by-step process to get this result." I want to be state champion wrestler here's a step by step process. Boom, got it. I want to be a known American step-by-step process. Got it. I want to start a business, step-by-step. Science. It's not thinking, you just follow a process and you get it. So for me, achievements always come easy. Anything I ever want in my life I've achieved it because there's a science. I figured out. Fulfillment's art, it's different. It's not follow these steps and you become fulfilled. The yin yang of these two things. And it's so fascinating. I've been going deeper into it and seeing the pattern appear over and over and over again, all these different things. And how do you apply it to your life? And there's so many cool things in this book that don't necessarily talk about science of achievement and fulfillment but they're all in here. The patterns in here over and over and over again. So it's pulling it from all these sources and showing it to everybody, that's what the book's going to do and then how to weave it all into aspects of your life anyway. So that's- Josh: One of the things and I'm sure you'll talk about it, but will be the balance of those two things. Because it's early on in my very young career of being 27 years old, but it was all about achieve, achieve, achieve, achieve. And there's always my mom's voice in the back of my head, it's like, "Things won't make you happy." "I know mom." Russell: Yes they will. Josh: Yeah. Yes they will. And then you get there. There have been moments in my life where right now in this moment I am completely fulfilled or I'm completely content and it's just like, I don't know what could make my life better. And it's not when I achieved anything, it's not when I did anything. But in that moment, whenever I take a step back and think about that moment, I have very little drive to go achieve anything more. And there's that balance of how do I stay fulfilled and content while also being driven to go achieve. Because for me and this is something I'd wrestled with and talked to Katie about it. And I'm like, "It's either one or the other. I can't be..." And she's like, "There's always another option. There's never black and white." And so balancing the two of those and understanding that. Like you said, they don't go hand in hand. They're separate things, I think it's really important and something that I'm trying to figure out and learn. Russell: So I got frustrated about all the times I achieve something and I'm so frustrated, why do I not feel how I thought I was going to feel and leads to depression or frustration or whatever. But when you start separating these are two different things I can achieve and I want to achieve, but how do I get fulfilled in the journey or separately from it and you start anyway. It's been fascinating and learning so many cool things and it's going to be fun to start sharing with everybody. I'm going to probably start in my podcasts, start dropping more and more things then getting deeper and deeper. More of the thoughts are going be flushed out. That's the weird thing about writing a book too, is initially I'm like, "Here's what I'm going to write." I write an outline of what the book is going to be and I write chapter number one. I was like, "Now this outline makes sense. You write that one" Chapter two. And so it's like, it's this rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. And by the time it's done, hopefully we'll find out. It'll be the perfect thing that's like, here's the frameworks you need. And for example, this whole concept here, there's a chapter that's going to be taking the frameworks from this book and this is going to be the chapter walking people through this concept of faith and fear. This doodle is a rough draft. I just tell you I sent this to you today. I'm like, "This is not the perfect doodle. I saw it. I'm not going to post it down below yet because this is partially done." It's going to be perfect by the time the book's done. I'm still thinking through and trying to get it right. And making it a simple form where I can understand it and hopefully it makes it easy for people to apply. But anyway, it's pretty cool. I think everyone should read a book. I think everybody listening should set that as a goal because when you do, just the act of writing the book will change your board. And I think anyone will understand. And when somebody asks, "What are you doing?" You're like, "I'm writing a book." Josh: That sounds very cool. Russell: There's no much cooler than that. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Okay. I know you have a hard cutoff, so I want to be respectful of that here. So I want to end with one question here and that is specifically about reading books. It's interesting. I'm pretty involved in the ClickFunnels world. Those are my people as well too. And so those are the people that follow me and that I interact with and I talk to a lot and it's always interesting when I talk to people about reading versus action. And some people have this... I feel like there's weird thought that if you're a reader, you're not an action taker, which I'm like, "That's not true. That's not how that works." But anyway, for you, if you are early on in your career, early on in you journey of building your business and your funnels and putting everything together. Do you recommend? Going back and thinking of your life, were you a big reader early on? Did you do a lot of reading or were you more action taking and looking back, would you recommend people read more, take more action? What's that balance? Because it's very easy. I know for me, I'm making time to read and then that's all I want to do. I'm like, "This is amazing." And then I'll take action. And so what's that Balance there? And what do you recommend as far as reading versus action? Russell: It's tough because some people read just because you get fulfillment or like there's- Josh: There's a good feeling that comes with reading. Russell: Comes with reading. Josh: For sure. Russell: So- Josh: It's a fake sense of accomplishment. Russell: Yes. So this is my belief. I remember when I first got started, I was reading a lot, I was listening, I was going to seminars. I remember at first it always frustrated because I was learning all this stuff and I was getting it but I had nowhere to use it and I was trying to use it all. That's why I think I launched... I can't remember. A couple of funnels by measure. It was like a 106, 116 or something funnels I launched before ClickFunnels. And that's because every idea that came to me, I was like, "I have to create something." I create this and I create this. I was creating funnel and funnel and coaching program. I joined Dan Kennedy's mastermind and they talked about, "You should have mastermind groups." So at the event I launched a mastermind group. I'm like, "You should have phone sales." We started phone sales and "You should be doing seminars." We launched a seminar. Every idea that came, I launched it. But man, I got a point where I was drowning. Because we had 8,000 things we're doing and nothing really worked. And I remember always feeling guilty because these ideas are coming to me. I'm thinking, "These are gifts from God. These are inspiration. I need to have these things." And it wasn't until... I don't remember when. But somewhere down the line, I realized that, "I don't actually have to take all these different things and do them, but I can understand them." Because I enjoy learning, understanding. So I would take them into my mind and literally put them on a shelf. I remember there's this Dan Kennedy on how to do high ticket, air exclusive program. So when we were listening to it, there's talking about franchise and this. All of a sudden, this is amazing. So I was taking it because I enjoyed the learning of it. And then I was like, "I'm not doing this right now." I'm so stretched thin, but I enjoyed the learning. So I'm flying an airplane, listening to this audio book or whatever. If I'm going to put it over here, I'm just categorizing and I put it over here in my brain. Like, "Hey. If I ever wanted to go back and do that, I know where it's at or at least put over here." So I started learning because I enjoyed learning but I didn't have to implement everything. And I've put things in these different spots. At the same time I had a very clear vision. This is definitive purpose. I had a vision. So I'm trying to execute on something I'm trying to do. So as I'm learning, when something came that crossed my mind I was like, "That's the next step. I could grab it and plug it in and I could use it." If it didn't. I'm like, "That's awesome. Put it right here. Someday I'm going to use that in future." And I talked to… James Friel and I talked about because he has a Trello board. He calls his shiny penny Trello board where anytime you have a great idea- Josh: Yeah. I have one of those. Russell: Instead of trying to implement, he puts it on his Trello boards. Keeps your ideas. I think for most entrepreneurs, every idea is like your baby, like "This is the greatest idea of all time." Josh: Yeah. I have a Trello board called Josh's brain. Russell: Oh awesome. This pre Trello because I remember getting a note card. I had three by five note cards and when I had the ideas, I put them in there, I put them there. And somebody I'm going to come back to this and I get ideas and put them there. I kept putting them there either in a note card or somewhere else. And it's crazy. And I fast forward. Man, I think it's 19 or 20 years, I'm doing this now. So whatever it is. Almost two decades. And it's really cool because when I coach people now and this is my inner circle so I have people in here I'm coaching and someone would appear on stage and they're stuck with a problem and they're frustrated. They're like, "I don't want to do this thing." And all of a sudden out of the back of my mind pops up this thing and it comes into my- Josh: Exactly. Russell: I have this thing. I'm like, "Oh my gosh. Where did that come from?" It's because I learned it. Because I read this book here, I saw this thing over here and all these things. And so I think a lot of times we have to understand that learning is fun. So enjoy it. Don't be like, "I'm not going to read because..." Reading is awesome. Read, learn, do those things, but also understand, what is your mission? Stephen Larson talked about this two funnel hiking lives ago. He called it just-in-time learning. It seems like if you are going to read the book you need... I agree with that except for this is a better pastime than watching movies. So let's read, let's study. But having your path, this is my goal, this is where I'm going to go. If you join my coaching program, we're going to talk about what's the first funnel. That's what we focus on. Don't do anything else, just focus on that. You can learn other things, but categorize them or wait until you're ready. And then as you get pieces right. I need that, I need that and figure out the next steps. I think that's how I would do the yin yang of both of those. Because I'm the same way. I'm learning so many things or study things or I find things are awesome that I'm not going to use but someday there'll be someone I come upon that that nugget is going to be the thing that unlocks something for them and they're going to super grateful. So, anyway. Josh: All right. Well man, thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. This is so much fun. We could talk for hours, but we do have to wrap it up there. We've got a little something to get to, so thank you man. I appreciate it. Russell: No worries. And hopefully all you guys, two things I want to say. Number one, I'd highly recommend reading this book and read through the lens of this. The first time I didn't know where I was going. So I was all over the place and just freaking out. But look at the lens of Faith and Fear of, I don't want to be a drifter. I want to be somebody spiritually, mentally, and physically free. Look at that and start looking at everything he talks about from this lens and just look at it as protections of you that will be there to get to the spot where you're learn 2% or how to keep yourself from becoming a drifter or if you are drifter shift yourself back. And looking at this, because it's this guide book of all the ways that the devil uses to shift you around. And when you're aware of it, man, it makes it so much more powerful. Josh: And- Russell: This is huge. Josh: The thing that I would say we didn't have time to get to it, but I would say too is understand that it's not... If you're religious, understand that there's probably going to be some things that the devil is like, "You don't need God, you don't need me." Some of the things that are going to be in there, like Russell said, 97% is good, 3% is bad. Don't let that prevent you from understanding the value and the power that's in this book because there is so much good stuff in this. And any single time that I've ever had success at anything when I look back, it follows very closely to the principles that were taught here, so anyway. Russell: That's awesome. And then wait until next March to buy my book. Josh: And I will be the number one affiliate. So hopefully you all can be number two, three, four. That's cool. That's going to be super, super cool. So Russell, thank you so much, man. I appreciate it. Love to do it again for The Book of Mormon or something like that and all right. All right guys, that's it. Russell: Thanks everyone. Josh: As always, hustle, hustle. God bless. Don't be afraid to think different because those of us who think different are going to be the ones who change the world. I love you all. See you soon. Russell: Bye everybody. Josh: See you.

Stop Stopping! Whenever you guys hit a roadblock, you stop. You gotta stop stopping! This is one of the big reasons why many hopeful entrepreneurs don’t succeed. It also affects everything else in your life; relationships, health, finances, fitness, you name it. People allow SO many things to STOP their momentum. Procrastination, excuses. food, friends, Facebook, the phone, and on and on. Want to know how you can STOP STOPPING? Then GO and listen to the podcast right now…and don’t let anything stop you! ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody, it’s Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets. I had a funny story tonight… So, what this came from initially is Setema, some of you guys heard him speak at Funnel Hacking Live, he’s been in Inner Circle, he was in the Inner Circle last year. And he gave this one presentation it was so cool. He had four or five points he was going over and I remember one of them that had a big impact on me. I never found my notebook. All I remember is he said, “You need to stop stopping.” And then he started talking about people who go and hit roadblock and then they stop. You need to stop stopping. He said that things happen and then people stop. He’s like, “you gotta stop stopping.” And he kept saying that over and over again. It was funny tonight, we got back after a long week, we had this big party at one of the neighbors houses tonight. It was probably about 250 kids at this thing, it was nuts. My kids are out there swimming and partying and Collette and I came and took the younger kids home and then I just went back to go grab them. I grabbed them and they’re all cold and tired and hopped up on sugar. You know how it is. Summer parties, I guess end of Summer parties. Anyway, so I go and get them loaded in the car, drive them home and came into bed and Dallin, my oldest, he’s getting ready for bed and he has this thing where he kind of stalls and stalls and stalls and he kept stopping. And tonight, after the 5th or 6th time I’m like, “Come on bud, let’s go. Let’s go.” And then he was putting his shirt on and he kind of stopped there and he’s just sitting there and I was like, “Dallin, you have to stop stopping.” He’s like, “What Dad?” and I’m like, “Stop stopping.” He’s like, “Wait, what?” I’m like, “Stop stopping.” I kept yelling it and he starts laughing. Anyway, I was getting Bowen for bed, and he kept doing it too so I’m like, “Bowen, you have to stop stopping.” And he was like, “Wait, what Dad.” And I’m like, “You have to stop stopping.” And he’s like, “Oh that’s really cool.” And I’m like, “I know.” And then I did it to Ellie. Everyone else was passed out. Collette passed out a little earlier too, with Aiden. And Norah was long gone. Anyway, as I had fun doing that and yelling at the kids and telling them to stop stopping, I just kind of realized how powerful that is.  I was like, I gotta grab my camera just because I think that this is why most people don’t succeed. And not just in business, this is like any part of life. Good relationships, people just stop. In business they stop. In development, in sports, how many times do people just stop. I’m not perfect either, I’m guilty of this as well. But I think one of the reasons I do have success in this avenue of my life, in business and stuff like that is I just stopped stopping. You hit something and you keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going. So for any of you guys who have a habit of stopping, you start working on a project and you stop. You start doing this thing and then you stop, and then you start doing something else and then you stop. You get stopped by whatever. It could be Facebook, phone, friends, food, something, all F’s. A bunch of….I was going to say something inappropriate, anyway, they’re all F’s. You gotta stop stopping. I think that’s it for most people. You get a little turbulence and you stop. You gotta stop stopping. So this is it. I’m going to say it ten more times so it gets rung into your head so every time you’re moving forward on something, you’re getting direction, you’re getting momentum and start moving in this thing, you hit something and you want to stop, I want you to hear me yelling in your ear, “Stop stopping. Keep going. Stop stopping. Go, go, go, go. Keep going. Yes, it’s a trial. Stop stopping. Yes, it’s a hurdle, stop stopping. Yes, that’s frustrating, stop stopping. Yes, I know there’s pain associated with that task, you don’t want to do it. You gotta stop stopping. Just keep moving forward. Stop stopping.” So there it is. There’s my rant for you guys tonight. Stop stopping, keep moving forward, that’s the goal. If you do that, you’ll get what you want. If you stop, you won’t. It’s physically impossible if I want that thing over there and I start walking towards it and I stop, I can’t get it. I’m like, but it’s hard, or I’m tired, or I’m hungry, or I’m blah, blah, blah, fill in the blank with your excuse. If you stop you’re never going to get there. It’s impossible if you stop. You gotta stop stopping and just walk and keep going despite all of the fear and stress and pain and all the other stuff that happens with it. Because I know it’s there, I’ve felt it before, you’ve felt it before. But I think about all the things in my life that have been great, it’s because I stopped stopping. Wrestling was hard, I didn’t eat most days. I would way in Monday, this was in high school, I’d be at 160 and Thursday I’d be at 130. I couldn’t stop, I had to keep going forward, I learned how to stop stopping and literally stopped eating. But yes, I stopped stopping and kept moving forward. I became great at that. Business was the same thing. I would stop because we’d get hit and didn’t move, and after years of doing it, I figured out how to stop stopping and keep moving through all the pressure and the pain and noise and keep going. There’s other aspects of my life where I haven’t been as good, where I’ve stopped. This is good for me too. There’s two avenues in my life where I’ve stopped. I gotta stop stopping too. So this may be for you but it’s probably for me. So Russell, stop stopping. You, whoever you are listening right now, it’s time. It’s time to stop stopping. It’s time to move forward, let’s go. I’m going to go and stop stopping if you commit too. Alright? Cool, stop stopping. See you guys soon. Bye everybody.

My first mentor that helped me to finally have success online was Mark Joyner. This is a four part series where I had a chance to be interviewed by Mark about how I’ve grown a company since I met him all those years ago. Here are a couple of the questions Mark asked Russell on this episode: What are the 3 biggest blunders you made along the way? What are the 3 most strategic and pivotal decisions since founding ClickFunnels? So listen in to find out what Russell had to say! ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, I want to welcome you back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. And we've got something really fun in store for you over the next four episodes. So, when I first started this game back in the day, I struggled throughout almost two years trying to figure out how to play, and what to do, and how to get traffic, and how to sell stuff. And the person... I think everyone who figures out this game, there's a mentor you bump into. And I am so honored and grateful that so many people have... that I was the person for them. They read the book, or whatever, and the light bulbs clicked for them. But I'm also very aware that I'm not everyone's guru. I'm not the person... And I'm so grateful for all the other teachers out there who are teaching things who give other people the ah-ha’s. I always tell people our goal at ClickFunnels is not to get people to use ClickFunnels. Our goal at ClickFunnels is to help entrepreneurs to grow their companies. And so, I don't care if it's me that clicks with, or if you click with somebody else. I don't care as long as you get that aha moment. And so, for me, for whatever reason, the person that gave me aha moment was my first real mentor, and his name is Mark Joyner. And kind of putting this into a timeline, back when I got started in this business, he was just ending. He had built a huge internet marketing company, and he got tired of being in the market, so he sold off all his assets, and he did this thing called the Farewell Launch where he sold this Farewell Package for a thousand bucks, and it was the first course I'd ever bought, and I went through it like the most intense, crazy student of all the time. And I learned it, I mastered it, and I implemented it, and that was... man, 15, 16 years ago now. And he was the one that gave me the shifts that helped me understand... helped all the things light up and make sense so I could be successful. And so, I'm grateful for Mark. He's been a mentor; he's been a friend, and someone I have a ton of respect for. And it's funny, because in the middle of all the chaos over the last couple months, he messaged me, he was like, "Hey, I'm launching this new podcast called the Mark Joyner Show, do you want to come on and be one of my guests?" And I, honestly, didn't have the time because there was so many things happening, but I was like, "You know what, for Mark... For you, Mark, I would do anything." And so, we set up a time, it was late at night, we jumped on, and because it was after hours and my kids were already in bed, we were able just to go and talk, and we talked for a couple of hours, and it was really, really cool. And so, if you follow Mark, you probably saw that interview. And if not, I asked for his permission to allow me to play it here on the podcast over the next couple episodes. And so, I'm excited for you guys to hear it. I think you will get a lot of value out of it. We talked a lot about different topics and different things. Talked about things I learned from him, things that I discovered since then. Anyway, hopefully, you guys enjoy this conversation. We broke it up over four episodes. So, this is the first of four episodes. So, I hope you enjoy it. We'll play the theme song, and when we come back, we will jump right into the interview with Mark Joyner. Mark Joyner: All right, everybody. We are live. This is Mark Joyner. Welcome to episode number two of the Mark Joyner Show. And man, I am so happy to have this guest on today. And it was very hard getting this young man. I call him young man now, to me, he's always a young man. I knew him when he was like this college kid. I know, right? And now he's turned into this enormous, behemoth giant that cannot be unseen on the internet. You can't turn on the internet without seeing Russell Brunson's face. I don't know if Russell even needs an introduction, but I'm going to give you guys a very, very brief one just in case. So I'll tell you a little bit of the backstory here. So Russell and I met when he was trying to make money to pay off his college debt. And I'll tell you what, man, he had to convince his wife to spend a thousand dollars on a program that he couldn't afford that I was offering. And that started his online career, and I'm very grateful. He credits me as his first mentor, but I'm at a point now where I'm learning from him. And I want to tell you guys, if you are a teacher of any kind that the best blessing you could possibly have is a student that surpasses you. If you have any kind of humility or if you understand what life is really all about, that is one of the ultimate things that can happen because what that means is you did your job well, partly, and it also means that you got an opportunity to learn something from someone. And if you've got a guy who not only surpassed you in certain ways, but is also humble and generous and wholesome the way Russell is, you are doubly and triply blessed. And that is what we have seen with Russell since his genesis in the online marketing community, when was it? Probably 1991, '92. Russell Brunson: I don't even remember anymore. Well, when was the farewell package? That's right when I got started. Mark: About '91. Yeah. So, right as I was leaving, you were entering in. Russell: I was jumping in. Mark: You were jumping in. And Russell, I tell you what, I knew from the start Russell had ... he had some stuff that a lot of people didn't have. First of all, he was an all state wrestler. Now, a lot of you guys don't know this, but Johnny Hendricks, the first guy to really give GSP an ass whooping in UFC fought Russell Brunson in an all state wrestling tournament. Now, Russell didn't win that, but from what I hear, Russell should've won it. I see him gritting his teeth a little bit. Russell: I'm good. My hands are sweating, let’s call him up right now. I lost by one point to him. And to this day I regret that because it'd been so cool if I actually won that match. Mark: I know, right? Well, fighting the guy and coming that close, and I mean, even though you should have won, that's bragging rights in itself. This is the guy who was the first guy to give GSP a real ass whooping: Johnny Hendricks, okay? Russell fought that dude, and wrestling is the single most challenging athletic program in school at all. So what that means is you come into the game with some mental toughest. Now, I saw Russell's curiosity, his humility, the mental toughness he had. I saw all of that in him early on. And I knew something amazing was going to happen. I had no idea the heights he would reach. Now, ClickFunnels is on the way to becoming a billion dollar company. And that's what we're going to be talking about today. And we've only got a certain amount of time because Russell is on a very, very tight time schedule. So what I'm going to do here is after I give Russell a quick chance to say hello, I'm going to rapid fire a bunch of questions at Russell. We'll see how much time we have for a little bit of Q&A after that. If you guys have questions, post them inside there. I've got a list of questions that other people have asked, but I'm going to shotgun blast Russell with a whole bunch of rapid fire questions first. But before all that, Russell, thank you so much for coming on, man. I really appreciate it. Russell: No worries, man. I am so grateful for you. It was funny, we were cleaning up something the other day, and I don't know if you remember this, but my wife and I had just gotten married and bought your farewell package. And it was a year later because you kind of disappeared for a year, and then you came back. And you did this phone call with me. And at the time, I had this tape recorder. And I recorded all my phone calls. And I remember I did this call with you. I got done. I wrote on the tape, the cassette tape, I wrote a hundred million dollar call with Mark Joyner. And I need to find a tape player, so I could actually listen to what we said way back in the day. But I saw it recently and it's on again. And so it's really cool because I just remember you taking the time back then when I was a nobody, just trying to figure out my way. And just you were always so gracious with your time with me. And man, I listened for so much time. I'd plug in the farewell package in my head, and I'd hear you talking over and over again of just different concepts and things that were just blowing my mind. And so many things that, to this day, I still use that all came initially from you. So I'm just grateful for you and you allowing me to hang out with you again, man. I love this. This is so much fun for me. Mark: Well, I'm humbled and honored, man. And I would love to hear that tape, actually because I'm curious to know what was said. Russell: I've got to find it. Mark: We're going to have to find maybe one of the five cassette decks that exist in the universe now. They're all in the trash heap of history. All right. Well, dude, I have tons of rapid fire questions I just want to throw at you. And this is not going to be easy. I apologize in advance because these are going to be tough questions. I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to get through these, but I've got some really powerful ones that I think are going to deliver the most value. And you mentioned something there, you said, I took the time to spend with you. I always like to be as generous as I can with my time. And I know you do, too, but as your life progresses, you got to be more and more strategic and more and more careful about that. Now that we have this platform where we can get this information out to a lot of people. I want to deliver that as absolutely maximal value as we possibly can to the listeners of this call. So I have some very strategically designed questions. Before I jump into those, anything else you'd like to say? Russell: I'm just excited to be hanging out with you and excited to be sharing. I think when I started ... I mean, what are we, 15, 16 years ago when this whole thing started, I didn't know it was even possible, but I believed, and I believed you. I watched you as Mark's student. I can figure this out. And hopefully, if anyone's watching tonight, everyone's going to be at different levels. Some people are just getting started, some have existing businesses, but I think a big piece of it is just believing that it's actually possible for you because I just believed you right out of the gate. I'm like, "Okay, I trust Mark. I believe him. I'm just going to do it." And now, 15 years later, here we are. And I think for so many people, the techniques or tactics aren't hard, it's just the belief in themselves is the hardest thing. So if I give you guys anything, like I tell people all the time, my job at ClickFunnels is to be the cheerleader, to get people to believe in themselves. And so as you listen to these things, there's going to be a lot of stuff that comes up for most people like, "Oh, that'll work because he's Mark," or, "because he's Russell," or whatever. It's like, "C'mon, if you'd have seen me 15 years ago, I was a little punk kid who was just begging Mark to get on the call. On the forums, geeking out." And it's just time and belief and putting in the work, so. Anyway, hopefully that is a good lens people can go through this because I'm sure some things we'll talk about may seem impossible, but I tell you what, I did not think what we've been through with ClickFunnels was possible and here we are. So you never know. Mark: Well, first off, I think it's about 19 years actually, because if it was 2001, it's 2020 now, so. And I remember having a conversation with you early on. You were saying, "How did you want to become a guru?" And one of the things that I told you was you just decide that you're the guru, okay? But if the gurudom is a matter of perception. Now, there are a lot of people who misunderstand that and they say, "Hey, I want to be a brain surgeon. So I'm just going to chuck up a shingle on a door that says, I'm a brain surgeon." It's like, "No. That means you internally have faith in yourself, but that doesn't mean you act like you're something that you're not because somebody who is a real teacher, a real guru, somebody who's really mastered anything, understands that the learning's never end," right? And once you get to that point where you think you've got it all figured out, I guarantee you stagnation is the very, very next phase. So I'm going to dive right into these questions, man. And I'm going to start out with probably ... I'm going to start out on a slightly negative one, and then we're going to get into more positive ones. Russell: All right. Mark: Okay? And we'll start with ... so just rapid fire, if you could think, off the top of your head, the three biggest blunders you have made along the way. And I got about seven of these rapid fire questions like this I want to go through. So I'm putting you under time pressure. Biggest blunders, what would they be? Russell: From the beginning of time or just since ClickFunnels' time? Or how far back are we talking? Mark: Well, you know what, up to you. Up to you because all of these lessons are relevant. The lessons that you learned early in life mattered to you later on in ClickFunnels as well. And I mean, you can say ClickFunnels, earlier on in your life, whatever you think is appropriate. Russell: Okay. All right. So the three biggest blunders: I would say the first one ... I think most entrepreneurs have this initially because I think most of us get started because we want to make money. That's the thing. And so for the first couple of years of me being in this business, a lot of it was chasing like, where's the money at? It's over here. It's over here. And I get cheap money, and I don't know, you probably don't remember this, but one of the big, profound things you told me, because this is the same time that Google AdSense was becoming this thing. I had friends that were throwing up these crappy little AdSense sites where you just click on them like crazy. And people were making crazy money doing that. And I was like trying to figure those out, and something, I don't know if you said it verbally to me or since I was listening to you so often, but you kept talking about like focus on the fundamentals, build the list, build the list, build the list. And I was like, "But everyone's making money over here, clicking on ads on garbage sites." And you just kept drilling my head, like focus on the list, focus on the list, focus on the list. And so eventually, I started focusing on that thing. And then what was interesting is that led to the list of people, and then it started listing to what do the people want? It was less about what I wanted to create or what I wanted to ... how I wanted to make money. But it was more like, "These people are on my list. What do they actually want? How can I serve them? What are the things I needed to create? Who I need to become? What are those things?" And so I think the biggest blunder was chasing money or chasing the shiny object. And the resolution of that was really starting to understand that business is just people. And it's like, "How do we serve these people?" I talk all the time, I feel like business is a calling. I believe it's from God. Some believe from whatever, but it's a calling. You're called to serve a group of people. And you look at it from that lens. Okay. How do I serve this group? What do I need to do? And when you do that and you shift to that, that's when money starts coming. So that'd be the first blunder. I think that took me two or three years to figure through. Another one, I think is I spent a lot of time, for a while ... there's the strategy of business and the tactics, and I can get on the tactics so much. So I was doing tactical things that would get me a little pops of money or pops of cash or things like that, or a little bit of traffic or whatever it was. But it wasn't until I started stepping back and started trying to think more strategically, which is a hard thing for a lot of us entrepreneurs, because it's not as fast. It's like it's slower. But when you strategically put things together and connecting things, that's when the big stuff starts coming. In fact, I don't know if you remember this, this is another funny thing on the journey. It was a podcast interview I did with you probably seven, eight years ago. I think I asked you a question specifically about that. And you said the biggest problem you have right now, Russell, is you're focusing too much on the tactics. And I was like, "What is he talking about?" I didn't even know. And then I stepped back, and I think at first I may be a little offended or like, "What are you talking about? I'm doing really good." And then I really internalized that like, "Okay, what does that mean? What's the difference between strategy and tactics and let me understand that." And then it's like, "Okay, let me look at these ... instead of looking at it from this tactical lens up close, how do I step back and look at it at a bigger point?" And that's where ClickFunnels was born from was us stepping back. And part of it was it happened because we had some hard times in the business, whereas we had to re-figure things out. And we didn't have time to like ... you're out of money to goof around, and it's like, "We've got to make the right move. Let's think about this before we just jump." That's probably number two. And then number three is ... I think this, it's just a lot of my lens right now is I didn't understand the advertising laws for a long time. And I think now we have in house legal attorneys, and we've got everything we write goes through ... everything I publish literally has to go through an attorney first to make sure I'm saying ... I wish I would've understood that from the very beginning because there's so many things that us as a marketplace are doing that are illegal that we don't even know. We think that like, "Oh, because we've got this person's success story, I can tell that success story." And it's like, "Even if that thing is true, you can't just tell that story." There's advertising laws that dictate that. And I think in the last two years is where I've really started to understand that and respect that. And first, as marketers, we hate all the rules and the regulations, then you start respecting it, and then it actually makes you a better marketer, a better business person. And I think you can serve people better when you start understanding those things. And so I think that's something I'm going to be talking a lot more to our community as a whole about just because I'm starting to understand it so much better. And there's some people that are having success, but they're doing it, saying things that they shouldn't be in and they can't be saying. So those are probably the biggest ... anyway, three big blunders for me. Mark: Well, I'd tell you what, man, if this were any other guest, I would be commenting back and forth. And I have a lot to say about everything that you just said, could not agree more with all those things you said, but because we have such limited time and because you are such an extraordinary phenomenon right now, I'm going to use this time instead to shut up and extract more information out of you because there are so many good lessons that we can get from you. Next three I have are ... now this is going to be very interesting. So this is one I'm probably the most curious about. The three most significant/ pivotal strategic moves or decisions that you have made since the inception of ClickFunnels. Russell: Oh man, these are good. Okay. The first one is definitely easy. The first one ... so my business partner is Todd Dickerson. He's my co-founder. And he's the brains that the built ClickFunnels. I always tell people on the dancing monkey on stage talking about it. He's the guy who got his hands dirty because I can't code. In fact, the joke is he was building ... he was like, "If I can make something so simple that Russell can use it, the rest of the world is going to love this thing." And so initially, Todd worked for me for a long time, and we did projects together. And he lives in Atlanta, Georgia, and he'd fly to Boise about once or twice a year, and we'd sit down and brainstorm ideas. And I remember the time he came out, and we talked about building ClickFunnels, and I was like, "I've tried to build something like this before." I think it wasn't a unique idea. I think everybody had tried to build it at one point like, "Let's build software that makes this whole funnel thing easy." Everyone had that idea. It wasn't unique. Then Todd was like, "We should build it." I'm like, "Okay, I've tried it before. It didn't work. Everyone's tried it." But he's like, "No, I think I can do it." And so we sat down for a week in front of a whiteboard and mapped out what the dream would be, the vision, if we could have all these things. And I remember after the week was done, I was driving back to the airport. And as we got to where I was going to drop him off, he kind of stopped for a second and said, "Hey, if we're going to do this project together or this project, I don't want to do it as your employee. I want to be your partner." And I remember that, that was the moment where it's just like, "But I'm the entrepreneur, I'm the one that's ..." The ego was just there. And I had all this fear and all this anxiety. All these things that were just like, "Ah." And as I was sitting there, I literally, in that moment, made the second best decision in my life outside of marrying my wife. And it was like I said, "Let's do it." And I said yes. And that little shift from "I'm the guy" to "let's do this together" meant everything. And he went home and built ClickFunnels. And he has been, to this day, the most amazing business partner anyone could have ever dreamt of. And so I think that's the big thing is the strategy of getting out of your own ego and being okay with building a team and realizing you don't have to be the person. I was talking about some funnel hacking live, I think one of the big things that entrepreneurs do is we're going on this journey and we get stuck. And we're like, "How do I do the thing?" We get into this procrastination mode of trying to learn how to do things. And the question should be asking ourselves is who. Who already knows how to do this thing. And then we started assembling our dream team. And if you look at any good movie series, right, the Avengers you've got Nick Fury comes in, assembles the dream team, they go and take out Thanos. You got Justice League. Every good movie, Ocean's Twelve, Ocean's Eleven, this person comes in, build the dream team, and they go attack this thing. And I think most entrepreneurs have so much ego and pride that they don't do that. And, man, looking back it was like that was the first time I said, "Okay, I'm going to have a partner." And we brought in other partners. And now, one of the biggest reasons why I've been able to grow is because I have this amazing team of people around me who have equity in the company. They're up tonight working just like I am because they care and they love it. And they're vested in it. And I think that was probably ... man, if I would've said no to that, nothing would happen. It would've been a complete different landscape. Mark: Right. Todd wouldn't have been vested into the whole program the way he is now. But now, he's super motivated because he knows that every bit of effort he puts into it, he's going to get an outsized return way beyond what he would've received had he just been an employee. Okay. Beautiful. All right. What's the number two then? Russell: Number two. So the strategic planning ... I'm trying to think how to explain it right. When we first launched ClickFunnels, I had an idea. I remember we created the way I thought we were going to sell it. It was a funnel. I think I actually sent you a video about this, but we had a funnel at night, and I launched it. We launched it. I was like in my mind, I'm like, "We'll have 10,000 customers the first month." And we launched it. And it was a bomb. The funnel didn't convert. A couple affiliates promoted it and it didn't convert, so they all stopped. It was just like, "We've spent a year of our life creating this thing." It was just like, "Er." Mark: I remember this. Russell: And you've watched me before this because I didn't know what I was going to do for a long time. We were launching a new offer every quarter for six or seven years because I didn't know what ... I was just doing thing after thing. And so that was the pattern just because I didn't know how to run a business or all these things. And this was going to be the thing we thought, and we launch it and nothing happened. And then it was like, "I need to launch something else." And I was like, "I can't because we put so much time into this." And I remember Todd said something to me. He's like, "We have to focus on this for a year just to prove to everybody that this is actually a real thing." And that meant we had to just ... all in. And so we had this point where it's like, "Can we shift to another offer real quick and make money to keep us all afloat, or we can just burn the bridges." And so we had a supplement company we got rid of. We shut down all these side projects. We just turned them all off. And it was like revenue's like, "Er. Flying to the bottom, but we have to focus. We have to focus. And we launched four or five or six different versions of the funnel. None of them worked. And it wasn't until I got asked to speak at an event. And they wanted me to do presentation to sell ClickFunnels, and I was like, "I've been trying to sell ClickFunnels, nobody's buying it." And the promoter was like, "Well, you need to make a thousand dollar version of it." I'm like, "I have a free trial. I can't get people to take the free trial." And so he basically he's like, "You're on the sales page. You have to speak." And so two days before we met, I was trying to think of what's the messaging? How am I going to sell this? And I created the first version of the webinar to sell ClickFunnels, went to Savannah. I stood on stage, and I delivered this presentation. And it was like I had figured out ... I didn't realize until I did the presentation, but I got the messaging right. And as soon as I did that, it was crazy because I think 30, 40% of room who ran in the back and bought. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, we got the messaging right." I remember going to dinner that night with Todd and a couple of the partners at the time. And I was like, "You guys, just so you know, that was it." They're like, "What do you mean?" I'm like, "That's the message. Did you see how people ran to ... I've never had people run to the back. We got the messaging right. It's game over." And what normally would happen in my prior life is like, "Cool. We made a bunch of money." I would've went to the next offer. And I was like, "Okay, I'm going to do that webinar at least once a week, every week for a year." And I ended up doing it a lot more than that. I mean, I was doing it two or three times a day sometimes. But we got back home. I was calling everybody I knew. We were buying ads. Everything's this webinar. And I did that webinar every single day. And the webinar happen ... I do webinars, get the sales date, look at the questions, and we go back through, read them, and then we tweak the webinars, do it again, tweak webinars, do it again, tweak it, do it again. I think I did that webinar live, I think it'd be like, 70 or 80 times the first year live. People are like, "Why didn't you automate it?" And I'm like, "No, no, no. This is my baby." I'm not automated. I need to perfect this message. I need to understand every concern, every problem, everything. And we focused on that. And that hardcore focus on mastering the messaging of it was huge. I think some people try something, and they step back and it's like that's why things don't scale because you have a good message, but ... it's funny because I always tell people, if you can get 10% of the people to buy your webinar, it's a million dollar a year business. A little lower than that, you're a six figure business. But if you go from 10% to 15%, which seems like a small incremental change, and that's the difference between a million dollar a year business and a hundred million dollar business, 5% increase in conversion. And so because I did that presentation 70 whatever times in a row, we mastered it. And so we had the messaging right. And so that was the first part. And second part was the funnel structure. This is where I made a video for you. But because the first time we tried to launch ClickFunnels was just like sign up for the trial because it was hard, I couldn't afford to pay ads for the trial. I couldn't go negative in the hole, affiliates wouldn't promote. It was just ... it was hard. Then we had the thousand dollar webinar, they got a year worth of ClickFunnels. We promoted that, and we made a bunch of cash, but it was like there was no cash flow. So it was kind of like I was back in a launch model, which we didn't like that either. And the winning combination we figured out was we have some registered for the webinar, on the thank you page you say, "Hey, the webinar's going to be in a day or two, go get a free ClickFunnels account and try it out just so that when you come to the webinar, it will make sense." And so people go get a free trial. And the webinar happened, which would train the people that already had a trial, and hopefully they would retain longer. But a percentage of those people would buy the thousand dollar version. And so that combination was like ... that's when it was like, "It's on like Donkey Kong." And we started going crazy. And after 12 months, we ended up having 10,000 members that joined, 2,500 that paid the thousand dollar cash. And the other 7,500 were people who had stuck from the thank you page, and that was your number one. And then it was just ... it gives us a bit where we could spend money to acquire customers because the thousand dollar thing, but it was building up this recurring income at the same time. And it just took it from the ground into lift off. So mastering the message and mastering the funnel was probably the second big strategic thing. Mark: You know what I really love about that is how you're training people to see what the monthly cost would be when they sign up for the trial. And then when you give them that big offer at the end, stacked with all those other things, it becomes so irresistible because you are training the mind to perceive it a particular way. And then boom, it's a huge pattern interrupt with the way you do it. Now, I would love to see what your latest and greatest version of the webinar is. I've seen a couple versions of it, but I want to know, and I think I asked you this before, I was like, "Man, show me what the ultimate version of it was," because you're automating it now, right? Russell: Yeah. Mark: Oh dude. See. And yeah, anybody watching this, if you don't go find out the automated version of that, and by the way, I'm going to give you guys a banner that you guys can look at. I think a place where you can see this is go to this URL here. This is the basic ClickFunnels website. If you sign up for the two week trial there, you will probably be shuttled in to watch the webinar. Russell: You'll start seeing the actual webinar. They'll show up. Mark: One way or another, they're going to get you to watch that damn webinar. If you guys go to simpleology.com/clickfunnelsfree, start the two week free trial. If for nothing else, just to see how Russell structures this, you need to do it. Now, disclosure, my company uses ClickFunnels now. I've been involved in three other companies before Russell started ClickFunnels that were trying to build the automated WYSIWYG funnel building. None of them did the job very well. We use ClickFunnels now because what they built is so damn good. I'm like, it doesn't make any sense. And by the way, there is a classic thing ... and I'm going to say this very quick before I shut up and get back into questions for Russell, but there's a very classic business lesson a lot of people don't understand, and there is a conundrum between build or buy. And the build or buy conundrum is this: if you take your own internal resources and you build something, you got to understand that that's energy, that's time, that's assets that you could be committing to growth, right? If you can take a little bit of money and buy a solution that's already pre-made, often, even though it's expensive, it makes way more sense because I can guarantee you the time, energy and money that it would take you to build your own ClickFunnels version would be astronomically higher than what it would cost for a ClickFunnels subscription. So when you have the choice between build or buy, you almost always buy, unless there's nothing out there in the marketplace that gets the job done well. And by the way, I've tried all of these other funnel builders. A lot of them claim to be better. Well, I'll tell you two more things about this, okay? Russell's is better, okay? And two, the culture of the company has proven to be stable over a long, long period of time. I see a lot of companies coming out now with like, "Oh, we're trying to be better than ClickFunnels." And I'm like, "Yeah, this is coming from the same dudes that started 20 other companies that lasted six months and disappeared." Russell: At least know for lifetime access for 27 bucks. And I'm like, "Right." With how much I spend on customer support alone. It's like, there's no way you can survive. Mark: Yeah. There's no way you're going to compete with Russell. I mean, good luck to all those guys. Competition is fair and everything, but you think you're going to compete with this dude? Sorry. I wouldn't compete with you in this marketplace. No way, man. You've got such a huge foothold.

On this very special, two part episode Russell asks his inner circle to weigh in on the biggest marketing secrets they have learned over the past decade. You will from the following people on part two: Daniel Den Joe McCall Ray Higdon Krista Mashore Sarah Petty Marley Jaxx Eric Beer Katie Richardson Thomas Shipley Nicholas Bayerle Mike Arce Joe Marfoglio Chris Baden   So listen here to get this amazing, valuable marketing advice from some of the top marketers out there right now. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody? It’s Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed the first episode. Was that fun hearing some of the marketing secrets from some of my inner circle members? I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did, and I had so much fun listening to them. So today we’re going to do the same thing, I’ve got a whole bunch more that I want to share with you guys. So I’m going to queue up the theme song and when we come back we will jump right into the second half of the biggest marketing secret from the last decade from each of my inner circle members. Daniel Den: What’s up Funnel Hackers? This is Daniel Den with the X Factor Effect. My business partner Pedro Superti and I are inner circle members and we teach marketing and sales but we do it through a different angle than most. We teach that the secret to breaking through even faster in your industry is to first differentiate your business while also differentiating your marketing and sales. And the biggest marketing secret that I wanted to share with you that we have discovered over the last year is one that can easily add an extra few hundred thousand dollars or even an extra million dollars, or more in sales to your bottom line. Because we discovered a few years ago a different way to sale that actually requires a lot less selling, cool right. In fact, some people have said that it’s a way to sell without selling. How cool is that. We discovered this secret during the launch of one of our courses. That course is one that helps business owners who have struggled in markets due to their competitors competing on price and causing price wars. But instead of simply selling the course, we first created tons of content that sold our audience on a very specific belief. That belief was that the reason why your business is stuck competing on price is because of the fact that you haven’t differentiated yourself from the competition. And if you differentiate then you can avoid price wars. So that was the belief that we sold. Very simple, if you differentiate you can avoid price wars. And we beat that message into our avatars minds. If you differentiate then you can avoid price wars. And when we finally launched the sales video, tons of people watched little to none of the video and they just simply clicked the buy button because they believed the new belief that we had already shared with them. So tons of the sales of that course came as a consequence of the belief that our audience had adopted. Amazing right? And it truly felt that we sold a lot of that course without actually needing to sell the course. We had, what we had to do was simply have our audience adopt what we now call a core belief. And in this case the core belief being that if you differentiate then you can avoid price wars. Now, for all of our products the core belief is the first thing actually that we sit down to discuss for the marketing message. We say, “What’s the core belief? What’s the core belief for this product or service or coaching program or mastermind group that we’re putting together.” Whatever it is we say, “What is the core belief?” Because we know that if the core belief is strong enough, that many sales will come as a consequence. And we know that this core belief marketing strategy at least doubled our sales over the past few years. So how freaking cool is that? Now the interesting thing about this strategy is that there’s someone we know who does the same thing when selling Clickfunnels. Yes, that’s right, of course, Russell. Russell does the same thing. He frequently sells the belief to people that you are what? You are just one funnel away. You are just one funnel away from accomplishing your goals, from breaking sales records, etc. You are just one funnel away. What a powerful core belief. Because if you first believe that you are one funnel away, then you naturally want to buy all of Russell’s stuff as a consequence of that newly formed belief. So how powerful is that? Well, for us it’s been the most powerful marketing strategy we have discovered over the past years, and it has been responsible in millions of dollars in additional sales for our company. So my advice to you is to discover what the core belief for the next product or service that you are trying to sell is, and that will also help you to explode your sales. Joe McCall: Hey this is Joe McCall from the Real Estate Investing Mastery Podcast, and my greatest marketing secret that I have learned in the last ten years has got to be the importance of niching down to one thing. You know as a creative kind of guy, I’m always coming up with crazy ideas. So I’ve run into this trap before of having multiple different products, teaching different things, all involved with real estate investing, but different segments of real estate investing. So when I started hearing people talk about the importance of the one thing, you know when The One Thing book came out, I heard other people start talking about having just one customer, one product, one source of traffic, one conversion metric or tool, one customer for one year, this one thing stuff started really making me nervous and really actually, honestly, scared me. But it wasn’t until I heard Russell Brunson talk about the importance of having that one core offer, but then you can use your creative energies to create different front end funnels. So you can have one main core offer and then use different front end funnels to get people into that front end, or into that one main offer. So that actually helped, it sounds kind of weird. It sounds really, really simple. But for me it was revolutionary. So I took all of my different products and I kind of got rid of some, condensed some, simplified others, and brought it all down into one niche product that was kind of my own blue ocean in the real estate investing space, and the topic is lease options, investing in real estate with lease options. And I just really hammered down on that. I really started focusing for, I just thought okay, I’ll try it out for 6 months. Then it turned into probably about 3 or 4 years now, well about 3 years, where I’ve just focused on that one thing. And literally my income is probably about tripled since I started doing that. And I’m seeing year over year increases and it’s just really cool. But the nice thing is right, I can still have that one core product, but I can, I’m not stuck with just one method to get people in there all the time. I can have different funnels, different lead magnets to get people in. And that’s pretty cool right. I can still get juiced about doing different, kind of being a rainmaker you know. Creating different front end offers, getting people in through different media. I mastered podcasts, then from there I went into video and from there I went into doing paid ads. And so once you master something, one traffic source, you can go into another traffic source and master that as well. So that’s it, pretty simple and I hope that helps you guys. Take care. Ray Higdon: Hi, my name is Ray Higdon and I have been a big follower of Russell Brunson for, man, so many years. I remember the first video I watched of him and his, he was talking about the micro-continuity. This was probably 10 or 12 years ago and it made a powerful impact on me and I’ve been a big fan of Russell’s ever since. I’ve also been a multi-year member of his inner circle and we use Clickfunnels throughout our entire business and I would say the biggest marketing lesson that I’ve had over the last 10 years, and just looking back 10 years ago I’m dead broke, in personal foreclosure, over a million dollars in debt, I had lost it all in the real estate market. And today we have a company that’s been recognized on the INC 5000, we have, this past year, grew our revenue by 33%, which is pretty cool. And at Funnel Hacking Live, we’ll actually be receiving our 2 Comma Club X award, which is for generating 10 million dollars through a single funnel. So the biggest lesson is to focus and really hone in on one main thing. And I remember I had a conversation with Russell at one of his masterminds a few years ago. He talked about how he had been stuck at single digit millions and where he would create a great product, sell the heck out of it, and then back to the drawing board to create another one. And that’s exactly what we had been doing. We had been doing very successful product launches and so we had, we launched it and that made $700,000, our best launch made over $900,000 in less than 2 weeks. And then when it was over, it was back to the drawing board of, “Okay, what are we going to launch next.” So Russell taught me how to really hone in on one main thing that could really make a difference and generate revenue and be something that we marketed ongoing. So that and his book Expert Secrets, lead us to creating our group called Rankmakers. And Rankmakers is the number one community for network marketers and we charge $20 a month, we have over $15,000 people in there and we just launched it 2 years ago. And that is, that funnel for Rankmakers has now generated over $10 million dollars. So instead of constantly going back to the drawing board and creating yet another thing, we’ve been able to hone in and focus on our launches, focus on our average cart value, and focus on providing massive value to our members, and that has lead us to, I mean, every single month we have multiple six figures of income rolling in, every single month, from these membership dues, and most importantly people love it. So we’ve helped a lot of people. We would definitely never have impacted this many people or generated this kind of money without that single concept of come up with one thing that you really want to focus in on and hone in on, versus constantly creating new trainings. So I really appreciate all that I’ve learned from Clickfunnels, from Russell himself and his entire team. I’m so glad and grateful that I met Russell. Krista Mashore: Hey everyone, my name is Krista Mashore from Krista Mashore coaching and my number one marketing secrets is what you do prior to getting your lead magnets out there. Now what do I mean by that? Here’s what most marketers do, they put out a lead magnet, and they want people to give them their name and email, their address, whatever it might be, and it’s getting harder and harder to actually get people’s information. Why? Because we forgot one huge crucial step, and that is giving them a reason to want to give you their information. And what I have found that by properly distributing video on consistent continuous basis to my client avatars, to my clients I want to interact with me, they are much more likely to give me their information. This has been insane in both of my business in real estate and in coaching and here’s why. You’ve got to think about how much competition is out there right now, right. Everybody is asking for people’s information. You get it everywhere, there’s ads popping up all the time. But what if before ever asking for someone’s information you actually just gave them value. You got them to know you, to like you, to trust you, you broke their barriers down, you’ve positioned yourself as the expert, as the authority figure, and you gave them a reason to actually want to give you their information. This has been a crucial, crucial strategy that we have used in both of my businesses over the past few years, and it just works magnificently. So before you put a lead magnet out there, make sure people know who you are. Make sure you are giving them constant value, you’re constantly helping them, you’re serving them, you’re giving them tips and tricks, you’re making their life better. You’re showing them that they should actually listen to you and that you’re the person that knows what you’re talking about. The only way they know that is if you constantly and consistently are putting out content through video. And you will be shocked that this absolutely changes and transforms your business. Listen, it’s getting harder and harder to track people’s attention. Isn’t it getting harder and harder to get eyes on us? But when you are constantly putting out information, putting out content, letting them get to know you, see you as a person, developing a relationship with them, you’re building a relationship with people, they’re more willing to give you what you want back from them. Think about this, when you get married, do you just meet somebody and say, “Hey, let’s get married,”?  No, it’s a process. You maybe pick up the phone, you text, you do a video chat, then you have breakfast, then maybe lunch, then you have dinner, then you hold hands, then you hug, then you kiss, then you get engaged, and then you get married. It’s the exact same thing I’m talking about when developing a relationship with your clients, with your audience. Utilize video first, before you ever ask them to give you anything, first give them as much value as possible, and do it through video. Because when you do it through video, you’re developing a relationship with them, you’re breaking down their barriers, and you’re giving them a reason to want to actually give you their information. Now here’s the thing, this seems like it’s so, “Oh duh, that makes sense.” And it seems so easy, and we’ve been told over and over how important this is, but are you actually doing it, and are you doing it consistently? Thanks so much, this is my number one marketing secret, and make a super great day. Sarah Petty: Hey Russell, it’s Sarah Petty with JoyofMaketing.com and our biggest lesson that we’ve learned in the last 10 years is that no matter how bad our sales are, or how down we are, all it takes is literally one idea, and we can turn anything around in a matter of days. We had a huge {inaudible} summit on October 10th of 2010. The date was 10/10/10 and the event was called 10/10/10 and our twins were turning 10, so I had a huge party. Note to self: Don’t ever do that. But we had so many photographers, we teach photographers how to make money, going  to the website of this telesummit, or this joy summit as we called it, it was those early days with the web so it just kept crashing. And no one could get in, and no one could therefore buy anything. And we were getting lambasted on social media, it was terrible. We put so much work into it, and yet nobody could access it. So we realized, ‘Oh my gosh, we’re not going to make money. We’re not going to be able to pay bills.” So we did some damage control, we moved everything to a different server, we had the event on 10/17/10 and we killed it. If we would have had Clickfunnels and the ability to have more OTO’s we would have really killed it. But we knew, there was always a way to fix things. A couple of months later we were down again. We had a goal of $50 grand just to pay bills for the month and we were panicked, and we just watched what someone else did, we put our idea together and had it up and running and we opened the gate for everybody to buy. And again there were so many people in there that it shut it down. And we thought, “oh my gosh, here we go again.” We’re having PTSD from the 10/10/10 event. And it came back up 15 minutes later, and there was $235,000 in our account. We were laughing and crying because we had a limit of like 35 people. So that was a good problem to have. So our lesson is that with online marketing with tenacity and one idea there’s always a solution. So we never get down. We don’t entertain the outcome that we don’t desire. We just say, “Okay, this is what happened. What do we do next?” and everyone can do that too. Don’t give up, friends. Marley Jaxx: Hey, this is Marley Jaxx and above all the marketing secrets I’ve learned over the past decade, I’d have to say that learning about the value ladder has been the most impactful. I could have never predicted how implementing a value ladder would completely reshape my business, qualify my buyers, and explode my lifetime customer value. And because of the value ladder I don’t need to do any extra work convincing my audience that my services are worth their investment. They enter in the bottom of the value ladder and at that point they’re separated into two groups, the group that prepared with their credit cards in hand, and the group that isn’t yet ready to buy. And I loved how last year at FHL Russell held up a copy of Expert Secrets and was like, “How many of you have read this book?” and of course every hand went, and then Russell was like, “Then why are you all here?” demonstrating that people pay more for the same thing packaged in different ways, because it’s different levels of value. All of those people raising their hands are a testament to the fact that the value ladder works. The sea of people is made up of individuals who will pay for flights, hotel rooms, babysitters, and tickets so that they can increase their intimacy and have access to Russell’s expertise. That is the value ladder at work. And then it also makes me think of all the people who pay to go to school for years to learn how to run a business, and for what? Come to FHL instead, get your value ladder going. Eric Beer: Hey, I’m Eric Beer from PerformanceMarketerPodcast.com. Now, one of the biggest marketing secrets I discovered over the last 10 years is how to convert cold leads into customers by using surveys. Surveys provide information about the customer that allows me to segment and target relevant messages. And by doing so, you get a much higher response rate, and a much higher return. So here’s what I learned, one of the biggest mistakes marketers make, is that they think they need to customize their core product offering to different target markets, when all you really need to do is customize the message and position your core product differently, based on the objections each target market has without ever changing your core offer. So here’s how you would do it. You start off by surveying your audience, asking the right questions that allow your audience to self declare their skill set and tell you what their objections, fears, and insecurities are about your vehicle. Based on the result of the survey, you split your market into smaller groups of people with similar needs and identifiable characteristics. Based on the results of the survey, you then target each group with the custom tailored marketing messages, positioning your offer differently for each market segment. This makes the person feel as if you customized just for them, and you speak to them in a way that they can relate. So when I do this, my effective CPM skyrockets, I market to less people, my costs are lowered, and I make a much higher return. Now, a good example of this is with Nike. If you go to Nike’s website you’ll see that they segment with men, women, and kids. However Nike niches down from those markets when they make the Jordan React Havoc where in one case they have running shoes that have 6 different options, different colors. But on the other hand they also make Jordan React Havoc sneakers for colleges such as Florida and Oklahoma. The look of the sneakers is customized by each school, but it’s the same exact core product positioned differently for target segments. Now, it’s funny because also Nike just started making special sneakers for nurses and doctors. And again, same core product positioned for a niche market. Now I hope this helped you and served you in some way, good luck with everything. Go generate some leads and convert them into customers. Good luck guys, take care. Katie Richardson: Hey hey, everybody. This is Katie Richardson on KatieRichardson.com coach to high performing entrepreneurs and my number one marketing tip is this. The purpose of our interactions with our customer and client is not to sell the product. We are only trying to get them to take the next step. So what do I mean? That means your email subject headline is not trying to sell the product or give them the answer so to speak. The purpose of the email subject headline is just to get them to click and open the email. And then the purpose of the email isn’t necessarily to sell the product as well, it’s to get them to click and go to our landing page. Our Facebook ads, we’re not trying to tell them everything about our product and sell the product in a Facebook ad, because guess what? That’s impossible. We’re just trying to get them to click and go to our landing page. So figuratively speaking, when we try and sell our product in the email subject headline or in the email, or on the Facebook ad, what we’re essentially doing is we’re standing on the other side of a very crowded room, trying to shout across the noise to our ideal customer or client and trying to get them to understand what we’re saying. They can’t, there’s so much noise around them. What we need to do is we need to walk over and meet them where they are at, this is really important to understand where they are at in their life, in their business, and first help them see that we understand where they’re at, take their hand and move them to the next step, and then once they take that step then move them to the next step, and once they take that step, then move them to the next step. They need to walk with us, get to know us, get to like, know, and trust us before they can even attempt to answer the question, “Do I want to buy this product? Do I want to move forward with this coach or this mentor? Do I want this, is this product going to solve the problem in my life?” They haven’t had enough interactions. So the number one marketing tip I have is to meet your customer where they’re at and just get them to take the next step. Thomas Shipley: Hi there, I’m Tom Shipley from Keranique.com and Atlantic Coast Brands. The biggest marketing secret that I’ve learned over the past decade is marketing offers and channels are like milk and not wine. They don’t get better over time. You know, it’s funny, we’re taught in business number one, focus is the secret of success. We’re also taught that diversifying is the secret of longevity, so how do they go together?  Let me tell a quick story. We launched our Keranique women’s hair regrowth offer and emailed Google Affiliate marketing and DR Radio. We had a winner, it won in every channel. And when they hit we decided to expand quickly with focus channel by channel into first Facebook display, TV, short form TV and long form TV, and then direct mail. And along the way, one day Google just for no reason shut down our account. So we couldn’t do search. They kept us shut down for 8 months, and one day they turned it back on. But luckily we had diversity so we were able to keep on going. But over time this is what happened, channel by channel the cost of the, our cost per order kept on rising and to a certain point that our spend started declining channel by channel until pretty soon a number of our channels were just shut down all the way. We refreshed the creative, we gave new bonuses, but when at a certain point, an offer becomes not profitable. So what do we do? When an offer dies out and you can’t refresh it, you know then it’s time to launch the next offer, which is another lesson. We launched our Keranique hair vitamin offer, Karaviatin, and first in Facebook and email and now we’re expanding like crazy across a number of channels because we’re making on this offer, we’re generating over a million dollars a month in sales. So here’s what the lessons that I learned that are key is overtime marketing channels become less and less effective, and become not profitable. Overtime offers become less and less effective and become not profitable. So it’s very critical to when you have a winner, to expand channel by channel and not just sit and enjoy the one channel you’re on and go all in on the offer. But at the same time, then start investing in your next offer, so when this one winds down, you have your next offer ready to go. There you go that’s my greatest lesson from 2010 and it’s served us well over the last decade.  Thanks for listening. Nicholas Bayerle: This is Nicholas Bayerle with the BillionDollarBody.com and my biggest marketing secret over the last decade is the pain and dream bank. For a long time I wasn’t using people’s pains and dreams to be able to motivate them to take action quicker. There’s so many times that we go into things like marketing business, sales, and people don’t want to take action right away and they don’t see the value to and they’re not ready to go after it. And the pain and dream bank for me allowed me to figure out the worst pain in the world is this, chronic pain. The reason the worst pain in the world is chronic pain, not all these other different options that you can think of in your head, is chronic pain is just enough pain for it to hurt, but not enough pain to be able to actually take action. And to the example of this in the world would be like back pain. Everyone out there has back pain, people will have it for 40 years. It’s just enough pain for them to complain about, talk about all the time, but it’s not enough pain for them to actually go get it fixed, especially if there’s a major investment. So one of the biggest things you could do in your marketing strategy that I’ve done is before just hitting on the dream of, “Do you want to be here in your business?” or “Do you want to be here in your health or your relationships?” and just selling that dream. First you want to get people into out of chronic pain, and into that serious pain, by poking at those pain points inside of your marketing so that you can raise that pain from before, chronic pain,  to a 10, which would be you know, like a bullet wound or a broken arm. People will go to the hospital and they won’t even ask what the amount is for the bill, they’re not going to shop around, because now you’ve hit on the pain point which has increased the urgency. Once you have that, now they want to move towards something, now you have that solution, which is then selling them on the dream. I always am pressing on the pain points inside of the marketing, and then getting them to be a fast mover so they then can jump into the dream side, which is where they want to be. And my strategy there is allowing them to tell you and then using that message against them. So allow those people out there that are your clients, your past customers to tell you what they’re desired result is over and over again, refine that down to your best people and use that as your marketing strategy back to duplicate those best clients. Russell: Hey, this is Russell again, so the next marketing secret came from one of my inner circle members, his name is Mike Arce. Mike runs a huge agency helping gym owners and his ideas are always amazing. So with that said, let me queue up Mike’s Vox back to me. Mike Arce: Over the last, I would say actually 4 years, I’ve definitely learned a couple of things that helped us a lot. Because the first 6 years of our business, we just celebrated our 10 year anniversary, the first 6 years we were very stuck at about the 40k in monthly recurring revenue, which kind of sucked. And then in year 7 really found the importance of focusing and then also going omnipresent with that focus. So we niched down. We used to be able to help all different businesses with their marketing and then we just decided you know what, let’s focus on an industry that I actually really do care about, for me it was fitness. So we focused on fitness studios, and then we said, let’s go omnipresent with it, meaning I want to be everywhere all the time. So believe it or not, without running one paid ad in 3 years and probably 10 months, because we just started running paid ads for the first time about a month and a half ago, we went from 40k in monthly recurring revenue to 1.4 million in monthly recurring revenue, and it’s growing really quick. So to give you context, in July of this year we were only at $700k monthly recurring revenue, we’re already at, we doubled that since July, and every month we’re adding another 50 to 70k monthly recurring revenue. So as far as omnipresent goes, stuff we’ve done is obviously we’ve created a podcast, in fact we’ve created two. But one is specific to that particular industry. We’ve created the best conference right now for the industry, in fact it’s coming up again in a few months, but to me it’s the best conference in the industry, hands down. It’s a show. We also have created over 3000 videos that are spread throughout Facebook and YouTube and Instagram, but mainly Facebook and YouTube. We’ve also created booklets. So these quick little booklets that take an hour to read, but they’re on marketing, another one’s on sales, another one’s on pre-sales, all that stuff. We’ve obviously created blogs, we’ve gone to other conferences, spoke there, been on other podcasts, spoke there. Dude, a lot. Honestly, everything and anything I can think of. We’ve created shows, every and anything I could think of that would give us another outlet where we can basically put ourselves as the authority in that particular niche, we’ve done. And it’s worked extremely well for us. Anyway,  I know you wanted me to keep it under 3 minutes, so you’ve done great man. Hopefully it’s something that you want to share, if not, no big deal man. Doing great with the podcast and everything. So happy new year to you, happy decade to you, talk soon. Russell: Alright next is Joe Marfoglio. Joe is the guy on my team who runs all of our YouTube stuff. He is an amazing marketer and been an amazing inner circle member and I’m excited for you guys to hear his takeaways of the biggest marketing secret he’s had over the last decade. Joe Marfoglio: So I think the thing that’s helped me the most over the last 10 years to be successful, or what has helped me to have the most success is finding the right partners, or finding the people that can compliment my strengths. I think sometimes as entrepreneurs we want to be like this one man game. Like, okay I’m putting this product together. I have to come up with the product, I have to come up with the content, I have to come up with the landing page, with the webinar, with the ads. So you have a lot of balls that you’re juggling and it’s really easy for one of those balls to fall, and everything to get thrown off track. Or if you’re trying to juggle all these different pieces, it’s very hard to scale and to grow, and to really get to the next level. So for example, in one of my info products I have, we’re actually getting the $10 million dollar award here at the next Funnel Hacking Live. And I didn’t do that all by myself, there’s 3 other partners. And everyone of those partners has a special role that they do, and that’s what they focus on. One person all he does is reach out to JVs, get JVs and then he does the webinars, and the email follow-ups and that’s it. So that allows me to focus on my part, and other people to focus on their part, without having to also worry about that. And if he’s only going out and getting JVs then we have a pretty full pipeline of people who are going to promote our product. And you know, for me, my end I take care of the fulfillment, making sure it gets fulfilled and the pieces are all put together. And so I ran the gamut, like I’ve done it all myself and I’ve made a lot of money doing it myself, but it’s way, it gets hard to sustain. So to scale and grow you just find people that can fit the pieces and do the thing that you either don’t want to do or are not very good at, or shy away from. Because also, the other thing is if it’s something that you’re not very good at, you don’t want to do, odds are you’re not going to end up doing it, or a lot of times you’re not going to do a great job at it. And it’s not only the info business that that works for me. I also do that in my agency where, you know, if I can’t fulfill everything myself, so I find people who are the best at what they do. Because if I have a client and he’s paying me money, I want to make sure that I’m giving him the full service, and he’s getting his money’s worth. But I can’t do everything. I can’t do, we do SEO, we YouTube, I can’t do every piece of it. So I try to find people who are really, really good at it. Or I’ll either partner with them, if they’re filling a big part of what I need, or I will hire them, either temporarily or long term. So I guess the biggest thing for me is that being humble in knowing that you’re not superman and you’re not going to do it all. And you can’t just grunt your way through everything, and just kind of grit your teeth and work 18 hours a day and do everything. It’s so much easier and satisfying if you could find partners who love to do the stuff that you don’t want to do, and work together and just move in the same direction. So I think if I could say in the last 10 years, coming to the realization of that and applying that, has helped me more than probably anything else. Russell: Hey everyone, this is Russell again and we got one last one that snuck in a little bit past the deadline, but we thought we’d sneak it in. This is from inner circle member Chris Baden. I hope you guys enjoy this as the last marketing secret from my inner circle. Chris Baden: The best marketing tip hands down is the Clickfunnels community. And I’m being serious here, here’s what I mean. Yes, it’s the software and the podcast and the books and the resources, yes. But it’s also the live events, it’s also the 2 comma club coaching program, it’s the whole thing, the whole community. Think about it. If you want all the best marketing tips and strategies, go where all the best marketers in marketing is happening. See, for me, my heart was pounding almost out of my chest because I was about to make one of the biggest decisions of my life so far, and of course I make that with my beautiful wife, and she’s sitting in a rocking chair across the room rocking back and forth with our first born at the time, who was only 2 weeks old. And I look at her and I’m like, “Are we crazy or is this a good idea?’ and our decision that we were contemplating was going all in on this online marketing thing. We had no prior knowledge or experience, and it was a really nerve wracking thing because if it didn’t work, there was a lot at risk for us. So we jumped in, all in, and in less than a month of doing that, making that decision that day in that moment, we find this thing called Clickfunnels. And here’s the thing, yes, 11 months later it led to the biggest month we’ve ever had in life, and we’ve had ongoing success, but getting involved in the community I was able to form a life changing partnership with Sean and Melissa Malone. We did a launch where we did almost a quarter of a million in a month. And then we keep going and we get involved in 2 comma club coaching program, masterminds, and just 10 months of being focused of that, we did over a million dollars in sales. Look, if I, if life has taught me so far in this experience it’s if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, go together. So if I had to go back and tell myself just one thing, one marketing tip, what would I say? Don’t do it alone. You’ve got to get plugged into the Clickfunnels community.

On this very special, two part episode Russell asks his inner circle to weigh in on the biggest marketing secrets they have learned over the past decade. You will hear from the following people on part one: Peng Joon Andrew Argue Rachel Pedersen Joshua Latimer Pedro Adao Jayme Amos Jaime Cross Annie Grace Alison J Prince Ryan Lee Stacey Martino Bart Miller Julie Stoian So listen here to get this amazing, valuable marketing advice from some of the top marketers out there right now. ---Transcript--- Hey, what’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Alright, I’ve got a special treat for you guys over the next two episodes. So the new year started and New Year’s Day I was sitting, we had my family up at the penthouse and we were just hanging out and relaxing and you know, I relax for about 30 seconds, then my brain starts thinking, what’s the next, what’s the plans for this year, what are we going to do? And I started thinking, you know, we know this was the end of a decade, and a new decade is starting. And I just started thinking about over the last 10 years, what are the biggest takeaways, what are the biggest aha’s and things like that, that I’ve had in my business? And then all the sudden this idea hit me, look, I know the things that, the big aha’s that I’ve had. And I’ve been, I talk about them on the podcast all the time. But I was like, I’ve got this amazing inner circle group of entrepreneurs who have been working with me for the last 5 or 6 years. Each of them paid, in the beginning it was $25,000 a year, towards the end it was $50,000 a year to be part of the program. And we had 100 entrepreneurs in it and I was like, you know these guys have been around me for a long time, they’ve been in the trenches, they’ve been doing this in their businesses. I thought how much fun it would be to hear what their biggest marketing secret was, their biggest takeaway that they got themselves over the last decade in their businesses. So I have a Voxer group that has all my inner circle members and I Voxed them and said, “Hey, just curious what’s your number one takeaway, what’s the biggest marketing secret that you’ve gotten over the last decade in your business that’s helped the most? If you guys could voxer back the responses to that, that’d be awesome.” And from that I got, I think almost 20 people sent back responses and they were amazing. So I thought how much fun to turn that into two episodes. So we’ve got two episodes for you guys that are going to be revealing the top marketing secrets from my inner circle members. And each one’s got a different thing. I told them to try to keep them under 3 minutes, some people were, had a lot of brevity and did it in less than a minute, others struggled and got in 3 to 4 minutes. But each one had a unique idea, a unique piece of gold for you. So I’m really excited for these next two episodes. And it’s interesting, as you listen to them, I’ve been teaching this stuff for the last decade and a half and there’s tons of things we teach and that we talk about and brainstorm about, mastermind about, and it’s interesting looking at each person, even though all of them have built huge 7 and 8 figure businesses, each of them had a different thing that was the big marketing secret, the thing that knocked down the big domino for them. And you’ll see some things amongst the inner circle members, other people they’re completely different things. But as a whole it was fascinating just to see what they’re all, what each of their biggest takeaways were. So what I’m going to do is this episode and the next episode we’re just going to play through those, each one is 3 to 5 minutes long, giving their marketing secret. Most of them followed the instructions and said their name and their website url, so we would have those. Some of them didn’t, so the people who didn’t state their names, I’ll jump in ahead of time and let you know who they are, and then we’ll plug in their thing. So with that said, I’m going to queue up the theme song and when we come back, we will start with the first marketing secret from my inner circle members. Peng Joon: This is Peng Joon and my biggest marketing secret that I learned from the last decade is that every given moment in time, we are building 5 different assets. And in marketing the first asset that we will ever build is the social asset. This is basically the stuff that will sit on social media forever. Many times when people don’t have the clarity as to why they’re creating that technical video on YouTube, why they are doing that Facebook re-targeting ad, why they’re documenting what it is that they’re doing. The reason for that is because they don’t know that this is step number one, they’re creating this social asset that can be fed into step number two, which is the digital asset. This is where you build the funnel, you build up the sales process, you build up something that will live on forever, in order to sell the course, the book, the consulting. And the question you gotta ask yourself is, “How can you take what you’re already doing in your life, the presentations, the life event, the consulting, the coaching sessions, how can you document them so that it can be turned into the digital asset that will work for you forever?” So for example, the keynote that I did at Funnel Hacking Live, I did that presentation once, but I turned that into a book, into a recurring that lives on, and is going to live on for a really long time to come. And the whole purpose of that, number two is to then move onto number three in order to create a proprietary asset. This is basically the infrastructure, the tribe, the community, if you think about what makes Apple Apple, if Samsung came up with something that was 3x better, with more features, half the price, chances are I’m not going to shift. Why? Because I’m locked in. I’m locked in and I’m thinking about the inconvenience. I’m thinking about the iTunes, I’m thinking about all of my files backed up in the cloud. Same thing for Clickfunnels. Even if there were 200 different competitors, even if somebody came up with better features or lower pricing, I’m not going to switch. Why? Because of the tribe, because of the community, because of the good will Russell, you have given to me in the last decade. That’s what locks people in, and it’s something that I’m thinking about all the time. And that brings us to number four. Number four is creating of systems assets. This is the SOP’s, the Trello boards. This is why I document what I’m doing on YouTube, Instagram, the steps on social media. Why? Because I’m constantly working on removing myself from the business so that I can work on the business and not in the business. And finally, that is all pushed to number 5, the capital asset. Understanding that ultimately why I’m building all these things is to build up capital. This could be office space, this could be property, things that generate positive cash flow, which then can be used back to step number 1, which is to fill social asset. And when you have this big picture, as to understanding why it is that you do what it is that you do, you’ll be able to have the big picture and have clarity on every, what you work on every single day. Andrew Argue: Hey it’s Andrew Argue from Accountingtax.com and I wanted to share my biggest marketing secret that I learned in the decade. And you know, I was kind of struggling coming up with this because I actually learned pretty much everything I know about marketing in the last decade, because I’m not really a marketer, I’m an accountant by trade. But when I think about the biggest thing I learned, that made the biggest difference, you know, a lot of times when people are doing marketing, they’re doing something that looks good, or something that feels good and they’re putting it out there, and it’s like a brochure maybe, or maybe like a Facebook ad, and they don’t really know exactly what the return on it is. So myself being an accountant, when I first started doing marketing I really had no idea what I was doing until I finally started actually calculating out what specifically what I was getting for what I was doing. So I would look, “Okay, what is my cost per click?” so what was the cost per click for somebody to come to my website? And I would know that number. And I started looking, “Well some of these people are coming to the landing page and then they’re opting in, what percentage of those people are opting in? That’s my landing page conversion rate.” So I would look at my cost per click. Let’s say my cost per click was $4, and then let’s say that only 10% of people were opting in, so that means my cost per lead was $40. Then I’d say, “Okay I spent x amount of dollars on Facebook or Google or something…” and I was getting leads for $40. Okay well then, where were those leads going, they were going next stage to book an appointment. And what’s my cost per appointment? Only 10% of people that became a lead booked an appointment. So that means $400 was my cost per appointment. And then how many people would I close? And I think until I really put those kind of metrics, the cost per click, landing page conversion rate, cost per lead, conversion from opt in to appointment, and the cost per sale, until I really put those metrics on it, I just never really felt confident in doing more marketing or spending more money, because I just didn’t really know what I was getting. So I mean, I learned so many things on the art and how it all works. I mean, obviously Russell’s done a tremendous job teaching me a bunch of different things about marketing, hook, story, offer, a ton of different things. But I really never felt comfortable to pull the trigger, and now we probably spent 6-7 million dollars on advertising over the last few years alone. So that’s probably the biggest thing I learned in the decade, hope that’s helpful. Rachel Pedersen: I’m Rachel Pedersen, the founder of the Viral Touch digital marketing agency and Social Media United, the leading online training for social media managers.  Now I haven’t been in entrepreneurship for a decade yet, but over the last decade I definitely learned a lot about social media and attention spans. We’re in a time where technically speaking, attention spans are at an all time low. Or at least, that’s what we’re being told. The interesting thing that most people don’t realize, sorry you’re going to hear my son in the background, welcome to mom and entrepreneur life balance. So what I’ve discovered is that if you can grab someone’s attention within in the first 10 to 15 seconds, you have them. So many of us spend time watching TV shows or movies, you know Netflix binging for lack of better words, but how is that we decide what we’re going to Netflix binge? Well the chances are it happened because of a trailer. We stop, we look at the thumbnail, we give it about 10 to 15 seconds to decide if it’s worthy of more of our time. The most important thing that you can learn to do for your business, especially in this time where people are becoming increasingly discerning about what they’re going to allow their time to be spent on, is to truly know your message, really, really, really get it. Can you make your point clear in 10 seconds? Can you explain your business in the 15 second video or conversation? For me, jumping onto tiktok was such a great lesson and truly a test of if I understood how to grab attention in 15 seconds or less. And for me it’s a daily practice reminding me how to capture attention and ultimately harness a following that says, “Not only did we like that 15 seconds, but we want more. We want to binge watch all of your content.” So now is the time to truly understand how to capture attention. We are after all in the attention economy, and those who grab it in the first 10 to 15 seconds will be the ones that ultimately are binged over the next decade. That’s definitely what I’ve learned over the last 10 years of being on social media. Joshua Latimer: Hey what’s up? Joshua and Ashley Latimer from honorandfire.com. The biggest marketing secret I’ve learned in the last 15 years is really easy for me, and it’s relationship marketing. It’s looking at your business like a marriage instead of just a wedding, which is a weird analogy. But people are super, super short term minded with their business, and in today’s climate with the internet, people want to get a Two Comma Club award, or make a million dollars as fast as possible. And desiring that is not wrong, but from a sustainability standpoint, what I’ve found is that when you solve real problems by providing real quality solutions and services, it’s really, really hard to fail a business. But it takes a little bit longer when you play the long game. So that goes for your relationship with your employees, your relationships with your dream 100, relationship with your business partners. My biggest marketing secret has been to slow down, try to have massive integrity, so real problems, and play the long game rather than just getting the ad that converts or getting that offer to do awesome in that one launch, it’s really, really hard to fail when you focus on the marriage, and not just the wedding. And in business I see a lot of people really excited to launch something or to get their funnel done, and they need to spend more time on making sure that they’re solving a real problem with a quality solution, whether it’s a product or a service, because at the end of the day, money is a natural byproduct of solving real problems. And if you slow down and listen to Tony Robbins, Tony always says people overestimate what they can do in a year, and underestimate what they can do in a decade. If you can be one of the people that realizes that, I think it will help you. And Russell, you’ve helped me. And hopefully that adds value to listeners of your podcast. Pedro Adao: Hey Russell, this is Pedro Adao, I’m in the inner circle. Man, so many but the one I think that I have probably leaned into the most, and has really I think, helped me kind of blow up on movement, is just really going deep into the niche. Going deep into your client avatar and really leaving that red ocean and finding an underserved, or unmet needs, carving a niche so tight that only you can fit in. That’s kind of a phrase that I’m now saying a lot these days. So that’s the big thing, that’s been a game changer for me. It’s allowed me to find my place of uniqueness and really not feel like I’m actually competing at all with anybody, because I’m really serving this really micro audience. That’s been a game changer. And then tactic is challenges. Man, I saw, it was at FHL last year I saw Natasha teach on challenges and I took the free masterclass concept I learned from you in Expert Secrets, I was doing free masterclasses and doing well with those, and then heard about paid challenges, and we’ve been doing  pretty much a paid challenge every single month since then and I just recently used a paid challenge to actually win a major launch for Pete Vargas, came in first place ahead of some pretty serious guys. So I have a great testimony around challenges, I’m happy to share as well. So that’s, those are my two big keys, which is carve your niche, find a great market that’s underserved, and then show up and deliver value and prove your work through challenges. Take all the risk upfront before you ask them to buy. Hope that helps, bro. Take care. Jayme Amos: My name is Jayme Amos, CEO of Ideal Practices, we’re the country’s largest startup dental consulting firm. In other words we help dentists open startup dental practices. The number one marketing secret for me over the last decade, that I thought I understood, was being able to serve a niche. So to trick myself into understanding this better in the last decade, and the way that this has made the biggest impact in myself and in my consulting company and in the industry where I serve, is to describe it as a niche of a niche of a niche. Now here’s what I mean, you’ve probably heard me say that I help startup dentists. Well, I help dentist, I do, but only younger dentists. Usually doctors who are working for someone else, and only even in that subset, startup dentists. They can buy a practice, they can partner with a practice, but we only help startup dentists. So what does this mean for you? Well, a niche of a niche, of a niche, well here are the benefits that it’s helped me be able to achieve. I’m able to now speak so clearly to the people that I’m trying to serve best. So I can make the greatest impact with those specific people. But not only am I able to speak to them clearly, I’m also able to understand their pain points. And not just the pain points of dentist, not just the pain points of young dentists, or associates who are working for other dentists, but just those young dentists who desire to open startup practices. This allows us to serve them really well. But one of the aha moments that I’ve had, that I think Russell even taught me back when I was first an inner circle member, I don’t know, 3 years ago or something. He told me this, I thought I understood it, and it’s taken me even more time to fully understand this niche of a niche of a niche concept, and it’s this. When I’m able to understand them best, when I’m able to niche down best, I also am forced to find where they are. Now that sounds easy on the service, but when I’m forced to find where those people are, I’m also forced to find the places that nobody else knows about, where I can have the greatest impact. And guess what? There are fewer competitors there. And I don’t even mean just in my case, a startup dental consulting forms there’s competitors, I mean the competition of noise. I mean the competition of advertising dollars. So think of noise, whether it’s a newspaper ad, or a magazine ad, or a Facebook ad, there’s other noise for people’s attention that aren’t even direct competitors, but it’s competition for noise. And when I find the place where those people hangout, there aren’t many other people there. So I’m able to be one of the loudest voices in one of the smallest pockets in this niche of a niche of a niche. So my encouragement to you, one of the biggest aha marketing moments that I’ve had through Russell Brunson, through Clickfunnels, through my time as an inner circle member is this. Find your niche, but trick yourself and remind yourself that you can be even more powerful with a niche of a niche of a niche because you’ll be able to speak to them best. Serve them best and find those pockets of opportunity where you can have the greatest impact at the lowest cost. So I hope this serves you well. My name is Jayme Amos, CEO of Ideal Practices, number one consulting firm for startup dental practices in the country, and so much of this is the direct result of Clickfunnels, of Russell Brunson’s guidance, and being an inner circle member. Hope this is helpful to you as you grow how you impact others. Take care, bye, bye. Jaime Cross: So this is Jaime Cross with Migsoap.com and the greatest marketing discovery I’ve made in the last 10 years and have used in our business is story selling. It is, story is transcendent and Philip Tollman said that after nourishment, shelter and companionship, stories are the thing that we need most in the world. So there’s also a really great story about a journalist who purchased 200 items on ebay for $129 and he wanted to do an experiment, and he turned around and sold those same items for $8000 including story. So our fortune has been found in our follow up with story and then we incorporate into our description. So as an ecommerce company we have been able to maximize profits by leveraging story. You know, even with our pounce product, it’s kind of funny because I wrote like a mini romance novel. So I’m not just talking about the product, I’m actually making this story that every woman wants to be in come alive on our website. So we’ve done that with all our products and I’ve got a lot of really great ideas about story. You know, there’s an art and science to it as well. So it’s a great way, because there’s a psychological and chemical reaction in the brain when you hear and tell stories, it connects you to your audience, so it’s a really great way to build strong relationships and strong bonds with your followers and with your tribe. So I love story selling and I’ve got some really examples here too, but your brain on stories is like on fire compared to just listening to you know, features and benefits in the typical old way or traditional way of describing products. Annie Grace: Hey, this is Annie Grace from This Naked Mind, and my top marketing secret of the decade is probably the simplest one, but it’s so incredibly effective. And it’s really all about consistency. So I actually started a podcast right around the same time that people in the UK, a group that was doing basically the same thing I was doing started a podcast. And they came out of the gate like, over the top with guests. They had Gretchen Rubin, they had John Lee Dumas, they had Ryan Holladay, they had Hal Elrod, they had all these crazy guests and they got all these downloads and all this press around their podcast, and it was incredible and I was like, “Oh my gosh, they’re just smashing it. It’s amazing.” And then over the year I just kept going, my podcast was just the people who read my book. And I’d publish every Friday and every Saturday, but I never ever missed a day. And over the years these guys started missing a few here and there, and then they took a break, and then they came back, and then they took another break. And if you fast forward 2 years now, my podcast has 3.5 million downloads, and they’re nowhere close. So the consistency of just showing up every single week. I’ve now done a newsletter every single week for over 400 weeks. And the consistency of just showing up weekly and just doing what you say you’re going to do really pays off in the long run. It reminds me of the tortoise and the hair. So that’s my best marketing secret. It’s not really a secret. But just do what you say you’re going to do, if you’re going to do a weekly podcast or twice weekly podcast, make it happen, make the commitment, make it work into your life. Same with a newsletter, same with your emails, don’t pop up and then drop off again, because there’s no faster way to lose trust. Alison J Prince: Hey Russell and the Marketing Secrets podcast listeners, Alison J Prince her from Alisonjprince.com. I went from a junior high teacher to building 4 multimillion dollar businesses with 4 kids at my feet, but found my greatest success was watching my 10 and 13 year olds gain confidence in themselves as they went on to sell their first 6 figures before they even stepped into a high school. I am the host of the Because I Can live podcast where I show you what it takes to set up and automate your own online store using the steps I currently use today, and what I taught my girls. Why? Because I can. The marketing secret that I have been using for a decade and I still use today because it works, and it will work for as long as marketing exists, is teaming up with influencers to help explode your business. Yes, you can start growing your own following, but that can take years. So why not leverage what can accelerate your speed? Now I’m not talking about the get rich quick stuff that’s out there, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about getting your products in front of an already warm audience, and not crossing your fingers and hoping that cold Facebook ads work. Imagine Taylor Swift talking about earrings she’s wearing on an Instagram story with a simple swipe up for her followers to go and buy. Do you think they would sell? Yeah! Don’t stress in getting Taylor’s attention, that’s not what’s needed. There are a ton of influencers out there who can rock the sales, and they have less than 100,000 followers. And some have even had 2000 followers and they have been known to move sales number mountains. So whatever you are selling there is an influencer who is looking to team up with a business like yours. Influencers have been building an audience for years, so it becomes a 3 way win. Win for you because you make sales, win for the influencer because they make a percentage of the sales, and a win for their followers because they get your really cool, amazing product into their hands. Creating this 3 win-win has been one of my marketing secrets to building online profitable businesses. I hope that helps you crack the marketing code going into 2020. Oh, and one more thing, if you’re sending all that traffic over, make sure you’ve got a Clickfunnels set up so that you can maximize the order cart value. Ryan Lee: Hey this is Ryan Lee from Cashflowtactics.com and wanted to share with you the biggest marketing secret that I learned from Russell Brunson. So over the last decade as I’ve been in the inner circle and studying the art and science of marketing, one of the biggest things, one of the biggest epiphanies that I’ve had is building a business around a future based cause. You know Russell taught us for years all of the presidents maybe forever, the one’s that won {inaudible} on a future based cause instead of an improvement offer. And for too long inside of our business we were focused on features and improvement offers, but as soon as we took everything down and focused on the outcome that our product and our service created for our clients, that’s when things took off for us. So having a future based cause, and the easiest way to implement that for us was really diving deep and figuring out the core desire of our ideal avatar, our ideal client. Once we understood their pain points and their desired outcome, we could focus our message on speaking to both that pain and then the future based outcome for our clients. So for us at Cash Flow Tactics, we built our business around empowering people with money to become financially free in 10 years or less, and our tagline that’s really driven massive amounts of business has been “Rise up, Live free.” So something very simple but it speaks to our ideal avatar in the sense that they want control. It’s a future based cause to rise up, choosing differently from where they’re at today, so that they can live free. And all of our marketing is based around that, both from the possibility as well as speaking to the pain. So good luck in 2020 future based cause is where the gold is at. Stacey Martino: Alright hey there everyone on Marketing Secrets podcast. I’m Stacey Martino, my husband Paul and I are the founders of relationshipdevelopment.org , and I’m happy to come in and share one of our biggest marketing secret strategy that we’ve learned in the last few years, and that comes down to something that Russell shared with us probably the first or second time that we ever met him within inner circle. Like many of you, Paul and I were stuck in that place of look we have this amazing solution, we know we want to make as many people know about this as possible. Everyone deserves to know about the solution that we have, ours is for relationship, yours is for whatever it is that you do, and I’m sure you’ve had that feeling at one point or another, “I want everybody to know about this. This s so good.” So Russell said, of course to us, “Hey, you’ve got to do a podcast.” Because love to listen to podcasts. Hence, we’re all listening to marketing secrets podcast. And what I did in that moment was, “Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s a great idea. Let me put that on my list, I don’t have time to implement that right now.” And I want you to learn from my mistake and catch yourself, because we all do this. “Oh my gosh, that’s such a great idea. I don’t have the bandwidth for that.” “Oh my gosh, that’s such a great idea. I don’t have time for that.” You have to catch yourself because one of the biggest strategies you could ever take away from this is you won’t get results from something you don’t implement. We have to implement, it doesn’t matter how many great strategies or ideas we have, we have to actually take action and get it done. So fast forward some time, we actually did make the Relationship Transformers podcast last year, it’s been catching like fire, it’s everywhere, it’s spreading, it’s doing everything we wanted it to do and more. And there’s two podcast strategies that have worked for our podcast that I really want to share with you. One Steve Larsen taught to us, which is to take your 3 Secrets Webinar and turn it on it’s side, and the first 4 or 5 episodes of your podcast is you doing like 20 or 30 minute chunks of your 3 secrets webinar to take them through your pillar content. Who you are, what you’re about, why is this different, what are the three secrets? So we did that, and it has been amazing. And then at the end of eveyr single podcast we share three action items like, “What can you do now to get great results now?” and a call to action. These are three things you can do to start getting results today, and your next step is join our 14 day boost program for your relationship. Whatever the first step is on your value ladder to help them take action. Because not only do you not get results from things you don’t implement, but the people who are listening to you won’t get results from things if they don’t implement. And yes, the podcast is amazing and we want to educate, and we want to inform, but if we don’t help them take that first step and take action, we’re not really serving them. So those are my strategies, I hope you implement them and make this an amazing year. Russell: Alright, the next person who sent a message was Bart Miller and Bart is a man of many talents. He’s the guy who dresses me for Funnel Hakcing Live, but on top of that he runs a huge ecommerce brand, he runs info product brands and a whole bunch of other amazing things. So with that said, here’s Bart’s biggest marketing secret from the last decade.  Bart Miller: The number one marketing strategy for us this year has been using a warranty card that goes into every Amazon box that we send into Amazon, and having people come back and fill that out and getting their email and capturing their stuff, and then putting on that thank you page for filling that out, a order bump for products that they can sell right then and there after they, I don’t know if it’s a bump or an actual sale, but we just take them right to it. Conversions are halving on two different things. One they are obviously coming onto an email list off of Amazon for capturing them, which is awesome. So we’re building a really cool camping list. And the second is that we’re actually selling them something else and the take rate on that right now is about 35%, are taking the next offer, which is a continuity program in the cooking space. So anyway, really cool, but that’s worked really well for us this year, and converted really well for us. Russell: Hey this next one is from Julie Stoian. Julie is no stranger in the funnel hacker, or marketing secrets community. She was a key player here at Clickfunnels for a long time, and I think you’re going to love the marketing secret that she shared next. Julie Stoian: Hey, so I’m going to answer this for you. I think probably the thing that I learned the most or that stuck out to me the most over the last decade is I’ve learned all the mechanics of marketing and I’ve learned the different fields offer, creation, copy, design, but the art of the hook is really something that I learned a ton from you, Russell, and all the stuff you teach, and this idea of pattern interrupt and no matter how great you are, how great your offer is, if you cannot get people to pay attention and get curious, you’re not going to get people into your funnel. So over the past couple of years especially, I’ve started to see, now that I see it I can instantly recognize when someone is marketing without a hook, without a reason or a story or a pattern interrupt. And I looked back over a lot of my writing and all of the emails and sales pages that were the best, I realized had this really curious hook or this crazy story attached to it. So even though I had been doing it unknowingly, once I figured out that that was the key, I started infusing it into everything. Into my emails, my sales pages, my ads, even my social media posts, and this made just a tremendous difference.

On this special 4 part series Russell shares 2 interviews from the On The Brighter Side podcast that he and his wife, Collette did with Monica Tanner. Here is what you will hear during the first part of Collette’s interview: What Collette thought of Russell when they met, and how they ended up getting married. What Russell and Collette’s younger years together were like, and how they struggled to start a family. The moment Collette first realized that Russell was such a big deal, and what she thought of it all.  So listen here to the super interesting first part or Collette’s interview with Monica in this 4 part series. ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I know this is the day you’ve all been waiting for. You had to hear me talk about myself again, and I apologize for that. But now you get to hear my wife talk about her amazing self and the experience and everything we kind of went through. So again this is part of a 4 part series. The first two are my interview with Monica Tanner on On the Brighter Side podcast, and the second half now, the next two episodes are Collette’s interview with Monica. So I’m excited to share this with you guys. This is only Collette’s second interview ever, so she’s been nervous, but she’s definitely coming into her own and kind of finding her voice, it’s been fun listening to her. So I hope you enjoy this episode. If you do please let me know, take a snapshot of this and post it on instagram or Facebook, and let me know your comments, I’ll make sure Collette reads them. With that said, I’m going to queue up the theme song, and when we come back, you’ll listen to part one of Monica’s interview with Collette. Monica: Hello, and welcome to On the Brighter Side. I’m your host, Monica Tanner, and I am so excited about my guest today. Not only is she one of my bestest friends, so I’m so excited to just sit here and chat with her, but she has one of the most amazing stories of just her really fun life. And I just wanted to ask her a bunch of questions and pull out some of the really cool details of her life that I think will just be really interesting and helpful to anyone who is in a similar situation. So I asked my friend, Collette Brunson, to come and chat with us today. Hey Collette, how are you? Collette: Good, how are you? Monica: So good. I’m so glad you’re here. So I wonder if you could just start by telling us a little bit about yourself and your family? Collette: So I’ve been married for 17 years, I have 5 beautiful children who are growing rather fast, and we are learning all the new steps of teenager life and things that come in those areas. I love health and fitness, it makes my day to be able to get a little something in for myself. So many things. I still have a toddler at home that keeps me running, and doing all the things, playing dolls. I feel like right now, that’s who I am. I feel like I’m a toddler, learning how to navigate teenagers. Monica: Yeah, so you are married to Russell Brunson, and we’re going to talk a little bit about him in this interview, and I just want to make sure everybody understands that I credit Russell with the fact that we’re even sitting here podcasting. Because I was at kind of an all-time low in my life. I had tried something new, I went back to school and it didn’t work out. So I was super discouraged , and just kind of trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life. And your husband Russell came over and sat on my couch and he was like, “You should start a podcast.” And I was like, “What are you even talking about? No way, I have no idea how to do that.” And he’s like, ‘Oh yeah, you should do it, here’s how and you’re going to be great.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh.” And I did it, and it has been literally the most rewarding thing, obviously besides raising my children, that I’ve had the opportunity to do. So I’m probably going to give him a hard time a little bit in this interview, but just know that it is with so much respect and love and gratitude that I speak about him. I really do hold him in such high esteem. So I had the opportunity to interview him on the podcast. He was my 5th guest ever, and I was so grateful that he agreed to come on. He totally didn’t have to, but it was in the very beginnings of the podcast, the audio quality was horrible, but it was a really good interview, and I noticed a few things. First and foremost I noticed that when I introduced him, I introduced him as my really good friend, Collette’s husband. So I made sure that he was, he is kind of a big deal, but first and foremost he is your husband. And I also noticed that my love of interviewing came through. Like you could tell that I love interviewing people and hearing their stories. And it was so fun to interview him. And we started off my first question was, “How did you Russell, as a goofy wrestler get this amazing, gorgeous girl to marry you?” and he told the story, and so now I want to hear your version of the story, of how you met and fell in love with the goofy wrestler. Collette: Russell and I met at Boise State, we are a product of the singles ward. So in the Latter Day Saint Community, the singles ward. So we, here’s the thing, Russell is 5 ½ years younger than I am, so when I first met Russell, you’re right, he was a goofy wrestler, he was just fun, his apartment was fun, and we did lots of things together. My roommate and myself and his apartment, they were known as the wrestling apartment. And it wasn’t until October, I believe it was October, and we went to a youth activity at the corn maze and we were goofing around and being silly, but Russell, you could just feel his energy. So that was kind of the kick off. And then once our apartments kind of got closer in friendships and things like that, the more we would talk about qualities our spouses would have. And the more he talked about the qualities his spouse would have. I kept thinking, oh my goodness, he’s checking the boxes of me. And I’m like, I can’t fall in love with somebody that’s 5 years younger. Who are you kidding? He can’t support me. So yeah, we kind of… Monica: That’s a funny thought. Collette: I know, right. I’m like, how is going to support me? And it is funny because I work hard, you know what I mean, but I wanted, my dream was to be a mom. So it came out in January that I liked him. And he was floored because he never in a million years would Collette Brunson like Russell Brunson, or whatever my maiden name was at the time. So yeah, we started dating and it moved rather fast, so we started dating in January. By April we were engaged, and August we were married. So once the I love you’s came out, it was moving and grooving. Monica: It was time. So when you were first married he was wrestling at Boise State and you were supporting him. He couldn’t get a real job because of wrestling, but he started selling potato guns online. Were you ever like, “Oh no, what have I done? This guy is totally crazy.”? Collette: Never. I enjoyed, because when you’re first married, you’re super duper in love and you’re like, “I’ll follow you to the moon and back.” And so we always, I don’t know, just did really goofy things. So when he’s like, “I’m going to make a product out of potato guns.” And I’m like, “Yeah, do it.” And you know, it was during spring break and his wrestling buddies were off to Vegas doing their thing, and he and his buddies stayed home trying to support their wife’s that are working, loving Russell. So nope, I was never like, “Oh my gosh, what in the world?” I was right along there with him filming them do their thing. And just out there having fun together. Monica: That is so cool. So when I was interviewing Russell, I asked him about his failures. And he talked about, I love the word he used, he called it cycles,  not failures, he cycled. And almost went bankrupt a couple of times. And I wondered if you could talk about your experience in the early years and what it was like for you to be kind of successful and then lose it all, and then cycling like that. Collette: Okay, you know what, it’s kind of funny. I feel like I live in this little bubble of protection. So Russell is the kind of man that kind of kept it to himself. I didn’t know he was cycling until it was really bad. Our boys were little and remember it being December and I kept saying, “We should go to Disneyland for their birthday. They’re December birthdays, let’s go do Disneyland.” And he’s like, “Um, we don’t have any money.” I’m like, “What?” It’s just kind of one of those things where he was trying to protect me, but I do, it’s just so cool when you do cycle, how you build a stronger relationship and how to get through all the tough times and the scary times and you make it work. And I never was really fearful, I mean, Russell’s brain is always constantly working, and immediately, I’m not going to lie, we did hit our knees together and said a prayer, trying to bring some comfort into those hard times, like always. But I was never afraid. But I think that’s just because I grew up in a super duper humble setting and we didn’t have a whole lot and I worked really hard for things. So I kept thinking to myself, if I need to I can get a job, I can help out where I can. So I was never super fearful, I guess. Monica: Yeah, you always believed in him. Collette: I always did. He just, I don’t know, he has a really good way of making you feel certainty, I guess, when he was not certain. All the uncertainty for him, and he just did a good job of making us feel safe. Monica: Yeah, so there’s this picture floating around the internet of you guys cutting up all of your credit cards, and you look kind of sad, and you know, not horrible, but you know it’s like, “This is really hard, we’re cutting up all the credit cards.” What were you thinking in that moment and what got you through those months and those years when you just had no clue where money was going to come from? Collette: Okay, so I’m going to just say, I love our younger years, and our cute little humble duplex that we lived in and I do remember sitting on there being silly and acting like, “Oh man, this is the end of the world. I’m cutting up my credit cards.” Because it was actually a relief, because it’s so easy to just go wrack it up and spend and spend and spend. So when we did cut them up, it was actually a sense of relief to move forward and create a new beginning, but work harder than I’ve ever worked before. I had an awesome job, I was able to make the payments needed for the loan that we had acquired, which was my in-laws, they helped us out, and we made payments to them. But yeah, I just, I don’t know. It was fun. And I do remember selling CD’s, like all my music CD’s. I went to Hastings and I sold my CD’s one time for grocery money, and just different things, getting creative on how to make ends meet, and we did. And it’s seriously one of my favorite times in our lives. Monica: I remember those younger years when we nothing, but we had each other and it was like, fun. Collette: We’re invincible, we can do this. Monica: Yeah, we weren’t wasting away by the side of the road, we had what we needed. So you guys tried for a really long time to start your family and there was some heartbreak and some hard times in there. Can you talk about what that was like for you, and did you ever think that you really wouldn’t be able to have kids? Collette: So when we got married I was 28, so by the time we were seriously thinking about having children, I was in my 30s. So yes, it did cross my mind. I’m like, oh my goodness, is my body starting to take over with age, and I can’t have my baby? And there was heartbreak, because some other members of my family, and I feel like fertility was super easy for them and they would be instantly having kids. So for my journey in trying to have my family took, we always have a timeline in what we think, the way it should happen. Yeah, we did, we went on fertility. And I remember the very first time I started the fertility process was when Russell was at the PAC 10 tournament, we were in California and I had to start the injections. And I just remember to myself, I don’t know what I was thinking actually, like holy cow, what are we doing? But I wouldn’t have it any other way, because I feel like once my body did get pregnant, holy cow, no holding back. My family came and there’s a lot more stories out there that are heartbreaking, and I don’t know if I ever felt like I would not have children, so I was super hopeful. And really once we did start the process it was 3 months in the fertility world that we conceived and found out we were having twins. So I don’t know, it was a fun time. Monica: Yeah, and now you have 5 happy, healthy, gorgeous kids. They are some of my favorite kids. Most of us have gotten to know and love them. Is that what you always envisioned, or did you think more or did you think less or was it just right? Collette: You know what, okay, so I don’t come from a very big family, so when we had the boys, my body got, I mean, I got pregnant right away after having them, and I actually miscarried in between there, which made me think, I’m going for it. I just want my family, let’s get them here. My time clock is ticking. So in between there Ellie came, so they’re 18 months apart and I was good. Three is my number, it’s good. Until the overwhelming feeling of these cute other spirits, 4 and 5 came. But yeah, I never thought in a million years I would have 5 children, ever. I find myself to be the least patient person. Monica: Oh my gosh, that’s not true. Collette: I’ve learned. I’ve learned how to be patient, but there’s a lot of times too, never in a million years, how do I have 5 children, its insane. Monica: Well, they’re so cute, for sure. So as you were raising these 5 children, and they were close together, so you were really busy with young kids for a long time, and still kind of are. Did you ever feel resentful about being at home while Russell was out there kind of making his dreams come true and you’re here with all these kids? Collette: I was never resentful, but I did get a little jealous sometimes. Because I was the one getting up and getting ready for work before he became the office man or the entrepreneur man. But yeah, I was never resentful but I was a little bit jealous sometimes. You’re like, “Oh, I would just give anything to get out for just 30 minutes, and take a minute.” But I find myself super blessed because once Ellie was born we were able, we were blessed to be able to bring somebody in to help me out a little bit so I was able to go grocery shopping without kiddos or run some of those silly errands. Monica: That’s awesome. Collette: Never resentful. Monica: Yes. What do you think has been the biggest challenge you had to overcome in your marriage or in your life together? Collette: Okay I think the biggest challenge that we have, I think is sometimes feeling connected, because I don’t talk Clickfunnels, or I don’t talk entrepreneur talk. So Russell talks to everybody else who speaks his language, so I always feel like our biggest struggle is when I don’t give enough appreciation to Clickfunnels or to anything that he has created. So sometimes I feel like the gratitude there, or the appreciation was out of alignment, and then I feel like also the other struggle is communication. I feel like we’ve worked on that a lot throughout our marriage, but I feel like we get going a thousand different directions, he with Clickfunnels, me with the kiddos, which by the way, he’s a super awesome dad and being involved. But sometimes we’re crossing paths and the first time we see each other for real, or for a real conversation is when we’re too tired to talk. Anyway, that’s been kind of our thing that we’ve been working on and just growing, our conversation, learning how to communicate with each other, because sometimes we’re like, “How do we not talk about the kids? How do we not talk about Clickfunnels?” Monica: Yeah. Collette: Anyway, just to find a common thing to talk about is….yeah. Monica: Yeah, and I get that. I think other wives can relate to that because there’s husbands with hobbies like golf or sports or something and you know, you want to be supportive and interested, but you’re kind of like, I don’t really talk football-talk, or you know. Collette: I’m not speaking your language. I’m going to support you… Monica: Your eyes just kind of glaze over. You’re like, ‘I hear you, that sounds awesome.” Collette: I hear you and I love you. Keep up the good work. Monica: Yeah, good job. So let’s talk about stuff at work. I’ve heard you talk in another interview about the moment when you realized kind of the impact Russell was having on other people. And you probably didn’t know because he doesn’t share a ton of that with you. What was that like when you realized, “Oh my gosh, this is Russell and he does all these things for all these other people, and I had no idea.”? Collette: It was after I had Norah, our baby number 5 and she was 3 months old when the very first Clickfunnels even was kicked off in Las Vegas. And I remember going and walking into the event room before anybody was in the event, but we walked in just to see the process of it being set up and how it looked. And I broke into an ugly cry, and Russell’s like, ‘Ugh, I don’t know what to do here.” And I’m like, “Give me just a minute.” I just said, “I don’t understand. All of these people are here for you?” and he’s like, “Well, yes. They’re here to learn what we teach in marketing and things like that.” And I’m like, “I’m finally seeing that.” Because being at home with all the kids and surviving daily life, keeping them alive, I just kind of… You know, he goes to the office and does his thing. So the first time for me to realize that he was, had an influence on so many people was super overwhelming for me, which is a really good thing for a wife to see, because the greater appreciation and like, “Oh my gosh, keep up the good work. This is amazing.” But I did do an ugly cry for probably a good 30 minutes and trying to catch my breath, realizing who he was. It’s kind of funny, I don’t know. Monica: That’s awesome.

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This is the second episode in an exciting series where you’ll get a chance to meet my wife Collette and her views on running an entrepreneurial family. On today’s super special episode, part two of three, Russell and his lovely wife, Collette are interviewed by Joshua and Ashley Latimer about what their family culture is like. Here are the questions Russell and Collette answer in part two: If you had to start over, what advice would you give your younger self? What does it mean to be a Brunson? How does your family stay motivated during tough times, and how do you reset? And What are some marriage and parenting systems that are working for you? So listen here to find out what it’s like to be a Brunson by taking a sneak peek into their family culture. ---Transcript--- Hey everyone this is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. So I gotta know, how was the first episode with my wife? I’m nervous and excited to share her with you guys. She is such an amazing person who doesn’t get any of the limelight or the spotlight and this is kind of the first time she’s had a chance to be out there. So I hope you guys enjoyed the first episode. If you haven’t listened to it yet, go back and listen to episode number one, we cover three really fun questions. And again, if you’re liking these take a picture on your phone or wherever you’re listening to it, go to Facebook or Instagram or wherever you do social stuff and post it, and do #marketingsecrets, and tag me because I’d love to see your thoughts. And then comment in the comments of your post what you thought about episode number one, what you liked about it, what was meaningful for you, what helped? So let me know on that one, and then do the same thing with this episode. So episode two right now, we’re going to jump into, we’ve got 4 questions we’re going to go through right now. So I’ll tell you what the 4 questions are real quick, and then we’ll jump in. Question number four:  If you had to start over, what advice would you give your younger self? Which is really good. Question number five: What does it mean to be a Brunson? What’s your family culture like? Question number six: How does your family stay motivated during tough times and how do you reset? And question number seven: What are some marriage and parenting systems that are working for you? Oh man, I’m excited for you guys to listen to this next episode, again, we’re going to queue up the theme song, and when we come back I’ll play the next segment of the interview and again, if you’re liking this or you get any ideas or ahas, please take a screen shot on your phone, post it and tag me and let me know what you guys liked about this episode with my beautiful wife, Collette. Alright, let’s queue up the theme song, and we’ll be right back. Joshua: Alright question number four. Ashley: Okay, if you had to start all over again, what would you do different this time and what advice would you give your younger self? Russell: I know, do you want me to tell them mine? Collette: Yes. Russell: Alright, so at the 7 year mark when we were struggling with our marriage and everything, we tried traditional counseling but I think the biggest impact for both of us was going to Tony Robbins. I went to UPW first, walked on fire, came home and I was like, “Ahh!” and it’s funny, we were both in the same state when I left, but then Tony gets you up to here. So when I came home I was like, “Collette, you’re really depressed, you should go.” So she went and came home on fire and we’re like, “Ahh!” Everything was awesome. Then we went to Date with Destiny after, that year we did everything Tony had, I went to Tony for the whole year basically. But we went to a Date with Destiny and I remember Tony talked about the 6 human needs and all that kind of stuff and he talked about why we do what we do, what need are we trying to get met? And it was interesting because he helps you figure out what are your primary needs. For me, my primary need, the primary desire I have is love and connection. I’m looking for love and connection. And in my head though, I was like “I need to go get significance so my wife will love me and connect with me.” So I’m going and trying to take over the world, and make a million, and all this kind of stuff thinking that me being significant will make her love me more. So I went through this indirect pattern to try to get love and connection, that was the whole thing. And I remember we did a launch and made like a million dollars, and I came home and I was like, conquered like, “We did a million dollars.’ And she was like, “I just wish you’d come home.” Collette: Debbie Downer. Russell: I’m like, “I just conquered this thing.” And I had this realization at Date with Destiny, she loves me already, we already have connection, I don’t have to go prove anything. It’s like I’m going through this huge long path to get the thing that’s just right here. So that was my big thing. And I think, I don’t know if it’s just me, but I think a lot of entrepreneurs we do it initially because we need that significance, we’re looking for that because we want love and connection with our spouse or our parents, whoever it is that we’re trying to impress. I think if I was to start over again, I would take things slower and just, I don’t’ know, there was a period in our life as I was building, where I was checked out and I was doing the thing, and that drove us apart. As opposed to like, not being so obsessed with the end goal and just slowing down and really, I don’t know. I think it’s the same thing, when we launched Clickufnnels, the same thing. Me and Todd had disconnected from everything to be able to get this thing off the ground. Where I think now it’s a lot better spot where now it’s fun because we’re traveling together, we’re doing a bunch of fun things, and she came to this mastermind in Puerto Rico, and it’s jus tmore things together, and I would have slowed down and done more of that from the very beginning. As opposed to thinking I had to go leave and get significance to come back, you know, slay the beast and come back and “here it is.” I would have been like, “Let’s go get this thing together.” Joshua: It’s funny because she already loved you when you were selling potato guns making $20 a day, right? Collette: Yes. Joshua: But we forget that. I feel like I’m in counseling right now. {Cross talk} Joshua: I think I’m doing that right now. Okay, this isn’t about me, this is about you. That’s good, anything else you want to add or do you want to go to question 5? Collette: No, I think that’s pretty good. I wish I could go back and be… Joshua: Let’s talk about what it means to be a Brunson, like from your kids perspective. For us, we’re obsessed with this stuff, we have our family logo on, we have these shirts we had made custom, “Do Hard Things” is one of the things we tell our kids, all kinds of stuff. And I know that Russell thinks that’s really cool because he’s like geeking out when we talked about it a couple of times, but tell us what’s unique about your family culture. Russell: First of all, I want to do all that cool stuff you guys are doing, they have so many cool things they’re doing. Anyway, I think a couple things that really, I think I watched Collette bring to the table that’s really fun, especially after Tony Robbins. We realized that every morning our poor kids wake up and they’re about to go to the evilest place on earth, we call it school, and they’re already tired. It’s like they wake up and it’s like, I remember waking up as a kid and hating waking up and hating going to school and you’re miserable until school’s over. And what Collette’s really good at, is getting the kids excited in the morning. She’ll turn musi con, and she’ll be goofy and dance with them.Doing stuff so that this wake in the morning is not this horrible thing, trying to get them to crack a smile. I remember there would be times when the kids were little, us picking up and dancing around the whole house with them and just trying ot get them to not be miserable you know, being in a good state so they can go and conquer school, or conquer the difficult things. It’s one of my favorite things I watch Collette do all the time. What are other cool things? We always tell them that Brunson’s, because all the kids don’t want to wrestle ever. So I’m always like Brunson’s wrestle. We do hard things. They, yeah, that’s a big one. Joshua: Do you use NLP on your kids to make them become wrestlers, Russell? Russell: what’s that? Joshua: Do you use NLP on your own kids to convince them to be wrestlers? Russell: I don’t think that stuff works on your wife or kids, it’s really weird. It works on everybody else. Collette: So stubborn. What’s wrong with us? Joshua: Yeah, when Ashley drops the kids off at school… Ashley: Oh gosh, don’t say this. Joshua: Just tell them all the stuff…. Russell: Yeah, let’s hear it. Ashley: Oh gosh, we pray, that’s one thing we do. But we make the prayer a little bit more… Joshua: fun. Ashley: a little more fun at the end. I say, “And then all my people said…” and they’ll be like, “Amen!” If they don’t end “amen” loud enough, Joshua: It doesn’t count. Ashley: It doesn’t count. We gotta pray again. And we just sit in line and wait. Joshua: And then you roll down your window and say, “I love you” way too loud and embarrass them. Ashley: yeah, and I do this other thing too that they like. I go, “Bring em out, bring em out. She’s 3 feet tall, and 39 pounds and she likes to party, Finley Sarah Latimer.” And I do that for all my kids. Collette: Oh my gosh. Russell: That’s so cool. I love it. Ashley: They don’t think it’s cool. Some of them do. Joshua: They think it’s cool until like 4th grade. Russell: In 4th grade they’re embarrassed. Joshua: It’s not that embarrassing yet, they just own it, like “yeah mom, you’re the best mom. Yeah.” Ashley: My sixth grader just puts his hood on and walks into school. Russell: He walks away. Collette: I’m curious because Russell takes the kids to school certain days, same thing, in the funnel hacker jeep with music pumping and then whatever else, lights flashing, I don’t even know. And breaking the rules, going up the wrong way, dropping off the kids. Anyway, I’m like, I asked the kids the other day, they love it. And they’re in middle, those are the middle schools, middle schoolers. Russell: Do you like Daddy’s jeep? “Yeah, it’s so cool.” Collette: Then I feel like the lame-o, I’m like, “Get in the mom-mobile. Let’s go.” Ashley: One time I tried to download that song, “Bring em out, bring em out.” And then I downloaded it, and I didn’t listen to it before I played it. And it’s like totally inappropriate. In my mind, I thought it was just the “Bring em out, bring em out.” Nope. Russell: There’s two versions. Radio version and non-radio. Ashley: It’s inappropriate, so you just have to do it yourself. Russell: One of the things that you’re talking about that I thought about that we did about a year ago, that’s really cool. After Charfin came and did an event, he talked about setting family goals, or he talked about this in your business. Like in your business having a hall of fame goal, and then what’s your superbowl goal, the yearly goal, and then you have your weekly’s, your monthly’s. So we did this, not quite a year ago, we said as a family, what’s our hall of fame goal? Someday, what do we want to be known for, what’s the hall of fame goal? So what we set for that goal, so in the Mormon church there’s temples, and the best thing to do is to get married inside the temple, that’s where you’re sealed for all time and eternity, it’s this really special thing. But to go to the temple you have to be worthy. So you have to be living the commandments, you have to be doing stuff like that. So our family hall of fame goal is that we all want to, when Norah is old enough to get married in the temple, Collette: Norah’s the baby. Russell: She’s the baby, we all want to be worthy enough that we can be in the temple with her. So that’s our, if that happens, then yay, we were successful as parents. Yay, our family. That’s kind of the thing. It might not happen, you know, who knows? So every night now, it’s fun, they all pray, “Please bless us to be worthy to be in the temple with Norah when she gets married.” That’s a thing that we all strive for. Ashley: How sweet. Russell: And then we set a super bowl goal, what’s the goal for the year now, that’s going to get us closer to the hall of fame. So the goal we set was to be able to read the whole Book of Mormon as a family, which we’d been trying to do that since they were born. Collette: We have. We finally did 13 years later. Russell: Yeah, so we set the goal, and then we said, “you know when they win the super bowl, they get to go somewhere crazy. They all go to Disneyland and dump Gatorade on their heads. What do you guys want when we succeed?” and we had this goal, so they all wanted to go on a cruise, a Disney cruise with their friends. So we set it, set the goal, set the date, and they were so cool. There were times that we’d be out on a date and they’re texting us, “We just read two chapters.’ Or we’re out of town and they’re reading. They actually set the goal and pushed it and it was so cool to see them achieve the goal and Collette had it set up so that Disney, when we were on the cruise they came out and gave us awards and cake and all sorts of crazy stuff to celebrate it. Collette: Of course, they treat you well at Disney. Ashley: I love that. Joshua: That’s awesome. Ashley: That’s really good. Okay, Joshua: question number six. Ashley: How does your family stay motivated or focused during tough times? And what does your family do to reset when things get out of sync. Collette: I say, reset, we kind of like, I’m going to start with the reset. I feel like, for instance, Russell was at his busiest Christmas break, all the things, but we ended up going to McCall, Idaho, which is a couple of hours out of town, in a little cabin, disconnected, and it just kind of reset. Everybody was playing board games, everybody was together, in this tiny little kitchen that I loved. I don’t know, in this big home people can just scatter and they’re gone. I feel like you can eat dinner, and they’re gone. So I feel like, Russell: Everyone’s stuck, it’s so cool. Collette: We’re in this cute little place, and we’re tight together doing the things. So for a reset, I just loved that. Going either on, even if you can’t go for a couple of days, just a walk or take a break outside, just to reset, break the pattern. Joshua: I just thought you guys built funnels as a family to reset. Russell: Funnel cakes. Ashley: I love that. Joshua: I don’t feel like you guys probably have, at least Russell, I hear he’s a motivated guy, so how do you stay motivated? You just kind of are that, right, and then you guys do Tony Robbins, and you’re doing the dance parties in the morning, that’s really valuable, resetting. Is there internet at that cabin? Collette: There was wifi I think, they had a smart tv. Russell: We didn’t have, we had our phones but that’s all we had. Collette: Russell didn’t even crack his computer open, which I’ve never seen that in a lot of years. So I feel like the reset was good for him. {Clapping} Collette: Yeah, it was big. Joshua: That is so hard. That is so hard. That is no joke. Okay, question number seven, this is a good one. And when I say “system” I’m going to ask you what the most important marriage system and parenting system is, you know throughout your journey. System is, people don’t say that phrase, we’re going to kind of bring that phrase out, but it’s just the way that you do something. It’s, every family is already fully systemized, the question is are those systems serving you well, are they serving your kids well? It’s not if you need this, because you already have them, the way you talk to yourself, the way that you take care of your body or don’t. So what do you think in terms of marriage systems, and parenting systems, what are a couple of really important ones that come to mind? Russell: I tell you as we were reading these questions ahead of time, that was like, huh, maybe we need to work on our systems. Collette: We’re doing better than we think we are. I feel like we’ve never had a really awesome system, other than positive vibes. Russell: I think a big thing for us too is that we go to church every Sunday, and then one thing that, one of the beliefs of our church is we have a thing every week called family night. And we’re not perfect at it, I wish we were perfect at it, but family nights we sit down and it’s cool because it starts with an opening prayer. And then, you know, usually there’s a spiritual thought, and we try to calendar out what’s happening this week, so we have some context of what’s happening, and then we should be better. We used to always make treats and stuff, we should probably get back to that. Collette: Yeah. Russell: We used to always, we had a family home evening board and they always like, “We need an opening song. I get to lead the music.” Do all this stuff when they were younger. Collette: The problem is they’re growing up, so we’re getting into the prickly teenager years. Russell: Teenagers are hard. Do you guys have teenagers already? Ashley: Yeah, he’s 12. Joshua: He’s 12 yeah, almost. Ashley: Oh, and it’s so hard. And this is a whole new avenue of life. Russell: Yeah, we’ve got two that are 13, and it’s like one’s in a15 year old body, and one’s like a 9 year old body. So it’s kind of like, the older ones, it’s so hard. And they beat each other up all the time. How do you referee that? Do you let them fight it out? Collette: We’re in the middle of craziness trying to figure it out. So suggestions please, anybody. Russell: If you have a guest who’s figured that part out, let us know, we’ll listen to that one and then we’ll come back for a recap. Joshua: Yeah, we’re going to find the answers. This whole project, we’re not trying to be gurus at all, we’re just, we want to do this, we want to be intentional with our family. So we’re just going to facilitate and crowd source for system ideas, and you know, deliver that to the tribe or whatever. Ashley: And literally I’ve been taking notes. I’m just like, “Oh my goodness.” As I’ve been learning from the entrepreneur part, and then also the parenting part. It’s mind blowing, amazing. Joshua: So with your kids, in regards to parenting or marriage systems, I know you guys do date night sometimes, but with Russell’s schedule it’s probably next to impossible to have total consistency, I’m assuming. But what about with your kids, is there any little things you do, annual things, is there….One thing, I’ll give you one thing that I do that’s really cool. We do Sawyer Sunday, Maverick Monday, Tucker Tuesday, Finley Friday and it’s not perfect at all, Ashley: June May Thursday. Joshua: I’ll sit down and play legos for 45 minutes and just be totally focused on that one kid at a time. That little thing is ridiculous, the impact it has on the kids. But that’s an example. Is there anything else you guys do as Brunson’s that’s… Russell: We gotta do that, that’s really…. Collette: I feel like individually we’re not awesome. I feel like we’re like, I mean, we go out and play and we play hard. So Russell’s outside playing with all the kids, but for individual, for instance, I haven’t done it in forever, but I pulled one of my kiddos out of lunch the other day and took him to lunch. He’s like, “Mom, I really needed that.” But of course, his love language is quality time. Russell: And when we get them all together they all fight. I think that’s a big thing we gotta start doing. Will you help us come up with cool names for our kids in the days of the week? Collette: Oh no, I’m going to come up with some later.

I'm going to throw rocks here a little bit. Ermmm, ‘NO,’ actually it's going to be mountains, boulders and things that are VERY heavy…    I'm vehemently against this idea that we need to take on funding in order to start a company.   The J Curve is what's taught in most of our education and mainstream entrepreneurship today.   Case in point, the J Curve is the very model that Shark Tank operates under.   And while I love the show, I’m vehemently against the concept of the J Curve...   In fact…   It’s time to kill the J Curve.   If you don’t know what the J Curve is, all will become clear… but first, let me tell you a story of about how to make a million bucks…   THROWING A J CURVE…   I was working with Russell on a project for one of his personal clients…   For every dollar we put in an Ads, they were getting $1.30 back out. For every dollar they were putting in an Ad, they were getting $1.30 back out.   However, one day they called, us a bit ticked off, and said, "We're barely breaking even on this?"   I was like, "You're NOT breaking even. You're actually making 30 cents for every customer that comes in."   They weren’t happy with that answer, and they said, "Exactly, we're not going to make a ton of money on that."   We were like, "You guys are missing the entire point here. You now have a machine where you're acquiring customers for free."   We’d created a bottom of the value ladder offer that was expanding their current customer base.   They already had their middle of the value ladder product and they had an expensive club as well…   But what they needed was MORE blood in their value ladder to bring people in and ascend them to their more high-end offers.   We were putting a $1 in and they were getting $1.30 back out… but they were mad about that.   We asked, “What are you mad about? This is a success."   They were like, "It's NOT a success."   We were like, "Yeah, that's a HUGE screaming success."   BREAK-EVEN WINS   … we said, "Let's think about this for a moment…” “You have a machine that’s giving you customers for FREE and you’re even gaining 30 cents …”   We told them:   “Anything you sell to those customers afterward is pure profit!”   Break-even is a million dollar scenario.   … AND now, these customers are also MORE likely to purchase anything you tell them to buy.   Still, they weren’t convinced… they were like, "What are you talking about?"   Here’s a FACT:   Second money is ALWAYS easier than first money.   A percentage of your list will ALWAYS purchase simply because they like you and they’ve had a good experience previously   We're not just tweaking:   Your offer   The way you position your messaging   But what's so incredible about the way this works is this...   STARTING A BUSINESS THE WRONG WAY?   In college, I was taught that the first things you do when starting a business are:   Write a business plan   Gather the who’s who and get people on your team   Think more about your idea and do some market research   Competitive and SWOT Analysis   Look into the probability of success and do lots of analytics.   Probably my least favorite class was Quantitative Marketing research.     I HATED that class…   And that’s literally where the phrase ‘J Curve’ comes from...   When you start your business, since there's no revenue yet,  you are expected to go into debt in order to fund the business, the people, and the systems.   There are a series of systems in business...   For example:   There's a system for:   Support   Fulfillment   Helping people actually have success.   All that stuff costs money.   At first, when I started my business, it was just me... but that's NOT the way I was taught in college.   SAY ‘HELLO’ TO THE J CURVE   In college, I was taught to get a loan and go into debt.     #EyeRoll   I would expect to be in debt until a magic moment three to five years away when I finally become cash flow positive.   Meaning, I'm not losing money faster than I'm making it.   I’m NOT breaking even; I'm just finally going in a straight line.   I'm NOT making any money, but I'm NOT losing anymore.   Then you keep tweaking and tweaking until you reach the mark where... *hopefully*... you’ve made more money than you took on to fund the business.   And *this* is literally what I was taught in college…   When the curve moves upwards enough, then you're profitable.   The moment the curve starts to get to a certain zone (see below) you can take profit - which is great. You make a lot of cash...   But as soon as you start increasing at a decreasing rate, meaning the curve starts going level, you're taught to sell.   You go into the stock market with an IPO, and you sell off your company and you no longer own your baby.   That SUCKS!   You work your face off, but then most of your decisions will be made by a board…   You gave away your business with golden handcuffs when you got a loan. That's why Shark Tank irks me.   But you can skip this entire model with what I’m showing you here. KILL THE J CURVE   Let’s go back to the ClickFunnels and the people who weren’t happy with $1 in and $1.30 back out …   Here’s the CRAZY part...   $1 in and $1.30 back out means that you're skipping the J-Curve.   It means that from the get-go, you're going up.   Is it fast? “No, but you're not losing money,” and remember, we already know that second money is ALWAYS easier than first money.   A percentage of people will ALWAYS buy your upsell   That's why this is such a big deal - that's why we freak out so much about doing this stuff.   https://media.giphy.com/media/8B9hGl5neRTNK/giphy.gif   Then when you understand more about how to create the offer and the order to build in, it means you don't have to do that VC garbage. That's why it's so awesome.   You kill the J Curve and go straight to profitability.   Even if things are level for a while and you're not making any money:   You're not losing money   You own your entire business   You're actually making your own decisions.   Merry Christmas! ;-)   So then you start making HUGE profit... and you can sell if you want, but you don't have to -  you can have cash cows like a lot of my offers are now.   Tell me any other investments on this entire planet where I can put a dollar in and get a 30% return in a week?   People boast when they get a 10% return on a mutual fund.   Seriously, think about it!   Do you know how much money you already have to have in order to actually make a living off of something like that?   In my mind, there's no other logical way to invest in your future than doing a funnel and creating an offer the right way.   I don't know another way.   LET’S TALK MONEY   … when that Facebook apocalypse thing happened a while back, it kinda jacked up our stats a bit, but before that, we had two months where we were putting $1 in and getting $8 - $10 out.   It's not as high anymore, but it's still like a $1 in and $5 out …   That’s a weekly return of 500%.   You don't take profit, if you just keep putting a dollar in, and getting a dollar back out...   Congratulations, break even is a million dollar scenario.   The asset is the list; so when you can build a list of buyers for FREE - BOOM!   Most corporate companies can't even begin to comprehend what I'm teaching you right now. They don't get it.   They're so indoctrinated in the traditional stuff that when we show them other options they're like, "I don't think that's going to work?"   And we make it happen and they're like, "Oh, snap. HUH!”   TURNING DOWN 100 MILLION!   At one time, there were a lot of companies trying to give ClickFunnels $100 million, and we kept saying, No.   They were like, "Why? We'll give you $100 million with the BEST rates you’ve ever seen."   I got to sit in the room where a lot of these conversations were going on.   I’d hear Russell and the VC guys talking, and I'd be listening…   https://media.giphy.com/media/Ll1rEkDebTIdO/giphy.gif   They’d be offering all this money, and Russell's like, "We don't need it," which blew their minds.   Russell would go to lunch just to kind of humor them, and because it would make a cool story... which it did ;-)   The VC guys would say, "Come on, $100 million. How much money does it cost you right now to acquire a ClickFunnels person?"   (And these are stats from a long time ago, so I'm sure the changed a little bit.)   But at the time, as I recall, it was costing ClickFunnels about $120 to generate one trial.   Now for the SaaS software world, $120 in ads to generate on average, one trial, that's actually very, very good.   So when Russell said that, they're like, "Oh my gosh, are you serious? $120 to generate one trial? That's awesome.   Here, let's give you $100 million, and then you can just go and get a butt load of trials and lots of customers."   Russell was like, "No, no. We turned those ads off." And they were like, "Why would you do that?" He's like, "Well, because that’s coming out of our own pockets. $120, that's URRGH."   (What I'm teaching you now is the reason to come to OfferMind…)   HACKING THE VALUE LADDER   So if ClickFunnels is in the middle of the value ladder, ( and I'm using ClickFunnels as an example because we all know them), we’d create acquisition-styled funnels…   For example:   Trip Wires   Book Funnels   VSLs   Invisible Funnels   Summits   7-Day Launches   Small eCommerce stuff shipped out...   … things that generate a buyer very cheaply.   I know these numbers aren't accurate anymore, but the principle is still the same…   It was costing ClickFunnels $22 to generate one Expert Secrets buyer, but the average cart value, (because of upsells, the way funnels work and because we're dang good at creating offers), was $66.   And so, think about this…   Now that we've generated a buyer for free, (put in a dollar and get three out), 22 bucks to generate a buyer with a $66 cart value.   Divide them out, a dollar in, three dollars back out - that's awesome. I don't know another vehicle that makes that kind of cash…   And frankly, I don't know another vehicle where you can be really, really bad at it and still make a lot of cash.   Things like the stock market, (I'm not trying to throw rocks), but the majority of the time, you gotta have freakin’ ninja skills to make a lot of money - hopefully... (with flash in the pan kind of strategy to tactics).     You can be bad at this and make a lot of cash. I definitely was!   One of the first funnels I put out ended up making MORE money than I was making in my job.   I was like, "Dang. That's awesome. I really can be bad at this and still make a great living."   WHO ALWAYS WINS? I'm not just approaching value ladder design from the aspect of, “Oh, this is the good order to go in…”   You're playing with the reality that those who can pay the MOST to acquire customer always win, even if they have a worse product.   Let me explain…   If I can spend $66 to acquire a book buyer and the book is only seven bucks, I'm going to dominate those who are on Amazon who have a locked average cart value that only enables you to buy one book with no upsells and OTOs...   That's why this works. That's why what we do is so killer.   So if I generate a buyer for free or breakeven, (if I'm making money, all the better)...I will never dare take profit at this level.   Instead, I create sequences that invite them to ascend to the next step, and then... it's pure profit.   The reason why we make the money we do and we don't have lots of overheads is because we're actually marketers.   So Russell was with the venture capitalists who were trying to give ClickFunnels $100 million telling them that he’d turned off adds, that in their eyes, were very profitable   The VC guys asked, "Why would you do that?"   Russell (very clichely)  explain by drawing on a napkin, ...   He said, "We turned  those ads off and now we actually MAKE $40 per ClickFunnels trial now."   The VC guys said, "That's impossible. How are you doing that? That makes absolutely zero sense to me."   Russell said, “No no. It totally does."   REWRITING BUSINESS So let’s look at it the Expert Secret  book funnel numbers …   Average cart value in that funnel is $66   Cost to acquire was $22.   (I think the cost to acquire is lower now, and the average cart value is higher  - but anyways, those are some of the stats I remember.)   So they're making $40 per ClickFunnels trial - because, at the end of the book funnel, they say, “Go get a free ClickFunnels' trial,” and then people do - it works.   Do you understand how mind-bending this is?     This changes the entire business model - that's why I'm like so fierce with some of this stuff - we’ve gotta push it out there more.   Then they create all sorts of front ends - that's why he launched the  Network Marketing Secrets book. And afterward, Russell promotes ascends them on the value ladder for FREE. He already owns the list. He doesn't need to pay to acquire the customer again, and so, he just invites them to take the next step...   *Pure Profit*   By approaching business in this way, you can   Completely negate the need for VC funding   Completely negate the need to give up ownership of your company   Completely negate having to make decisions that you wouldn't want to make with your baby.   That's why it's such a big deal.   I started in the middle of the value ladder so that I can have MORE money to acquire a customer than my competitors.   If I sell my book on Amazon for $20... but dang it, Russell's generating $66 per book purchaser (average cart value)...   Man, he's going to wreck me. Do you see what I'm saying?   If I can spend 60 bucks in Ads (especially on a book) before I start losing money…   *GAME OVER*   Again, you can be bad, but if you're breaking even, you still can upsell your most expensive things - that’s straight up monetization.   For example...   There are several people every month who are like, "Hey, I really just want to get an OfferLab. That's the kind of hand-holding I need."   Or ...   “I don't want to have to go read the book and go through all the stuff, Stephen. Just give me the result."   READY, FIRE, AIM   One of my favorite books is Ready, Fire, Aim - you can see I have it all tabbed out and stuff...   The methods that I’ve shared are something that I've been teaching and doing for a while, but then, this book validated the crap out them.   Now if you've never read this book, and you don't know anything about it:   The first third goes from zero to 1 million -  so I studied that a lot when that was the phase I was in.   The next phase of the book is 1 million to 10 million   The next phase (I think) is 10 million to 100 million.   I spend most of my time with new people and people who are $1,000,000 to $10,000,000 in revenue - that's where most of my expertise lies for our business; new all the way up to about 10 million.   After $10,000,000, I don't deal with people too much.   Anyway, in the book, Masterson says…   (This is on page 118)   “Although your primary focus should always be on customer service, your quantifiable goal as a beginning entrepreneur should be to acquire as fast as possible, what we call a critical mass of qualified buyers/ customers.   This is the number of loyal customers you need in order to make all or most of your subsequent selling transactions profitable."   This is key.   Masterson continues:   “Your goal as a stage one entrepreneurship should be to acquire as many customers as you can to make all of your subsequent selling transactions profitable...”   It's literally the exact same thing I've been talking about here    He says:   "And if you made your primary objective and satisfaction in selling more products to existing customers who enjoyed their prior buying experiences with you, it will be relatively easy as well as cheaper, therefore more profitable.   Once you have a good number of qualified customers… (i.e., the middle of value ladder)...   Hundreds or thousands, or hundreds of thousands depending on your industry, you'll be in a really good position where almost every new product you come up with will be successful because so many of your existing customers will buy it.”   Break-even is a million dollar scenario.   *I’m gonna keep pounding that point in*   So I go in and test out my entire idea in the middle of the value ladder price point because it makes MORE sense for:   Average cart value   Cost to acquire   Ad costs are very real today.   I have flex room and I'm able to go and actually test stuff.   SECOND MONEY IS EASIER   Once you have a lot of customers, you just focus on that core offer for a while.   Then once you've got a lot of people, anything you drop afterward is highly likely to succeed.   As long as they enjoyed their first buying experience, it's highly likely that you're going to be successful.   I read this and thought, "Oh my gosh." I was on an airplane and I was like, "This is exactly what I've been talking about."   Anyway, check this out…   Masterson continues:   "Understand the dynamics of generating long term profits through the development of large circulation, low-cost products sold at a loss…”   (* NOTE ...but you don't need to do this because you can break-even)   “...by upselling high-end products to this larger base."   Basically, the whole point of this entire thing is that, once you now have an existing customer base and you sell something more expensive, that's where you're going to cash flow hard.   A lot of profits.   I start at the value ladder and then move to the top, but once that’s working, and I want things to be MORE profitable; how do I do that?   I create a mechanism, (I mean, funnel/offer), at the bottom of the value ladder to acquire more customers at a break-even level - which makes subsequent selling transactions really profitable.   If 10 people out of 100 bought my middle tier product, maybe half a person out of 100 would buy my top tier...   But then, I just fill the hopper up.   Q: What's introducing a lot of these things to the marketplace?   A: The fact that I podcast.   Dang, it! I just let that out ;-)   I'm creating a relationship   I'm telling a lot of stories   I'm breaking false beliefs that I know the audience is having as they start to say things that I know are not real.   I create a story around my episode - at the end of each episode, pay close attention to whatever it is that I'm promoting in the outros.   The outros often introduce a new thing inside of the value ladder or reminds people that my product’s still there.   So I'm creating the relationship and leading with a butt ton of value. I give so much away on my podcast - it's ridiculous.   #GetRichDoGood   Hey,   I know this game can take a few tries to get the money flowing, especially the first time, right? And that can suck.   I also know from experience how frustrating it can be to know your business is just a few tweaks away from your next big payday, but you don't know what tweaks to make.   I've felt completely paralyzed by that in the past, and it sucks.   I've been blessed to work with thousands of new and successful businesses over the last three years, and two things have really shocked me.   #1: I began noticing the pattern to success is vastly the same, but everyone's spot on the path is obviously different.   #2: I've been shocked and overwhelmed by the number of people asking for my help, my systems, and funnels in their business.   Well, until now I've never had a system or product in my own business to help you build yours.   Now, I'm finally able to be public about all this...   If you'd like my help to build your offer or sales message funnel and even your content machine, go to myofferlab.com.    The path to online and offline success is 80 percent the same regardless of the product, price point or industry, and it works if you're new or already a killer in business.   You can get more details on how to get my personal attention and frameworks in your own business by going to myofferlab.com   In-person classes are limited to 60 people each, and frankly, I can only do about two of these a year. Get more details, and even jump on the phone with us for free at myofferlab.com

Why Dave Decided to Talk About Cheating: Do you have integrity? More importantly than that, do you have integrity when it comes to the change you are trying to instill into the world. That change only comes from necessary, uncomfortable positions. Tune in and see if your funnels and business are a victim of cheating and get ready for some introspection. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: (2:54) Saying No to Your Trainer...Is it Worth it? (4:31) THEY Might Not Know, But You Do (7:08) Do You Put Yourself In Uncomfortable Positions Just to See Yourself Grow? (10:04) Don’t Cheat Yourself Out of Your Progress (Especially in Funnels) Quotable Moments: (5:54) “When you get want you want and you struggle for self and the world makes you king for a day just go to the mirror and look at yourself. Ask that man what he has to say.” (7:44) “You’re either growing or your dying. You are never the same person standing still and too often we look for the easy way out (10:10) “There’s so much reward that comes from mastery but so many people are just too afraid to pay the price for mastery.” Other Tidbits: ClickFunnels is always burning the midnight oil for you Do it for yourself Important Episode Links: OneFunnelAway.comFunnelHackingLive.com FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Hey for lockers. Welcome Speaker 2:     00:18         back. Uh, this is going to kind of crazy story of last couple of days, hour getting ready here for funnel hacking live, how you probably listened as after funnel hacking live, but just want to kind of get you caught up on some of the craziness stuff. It's been going around the office, uh, late nights and everything else and the repercussions of late nights. So let me kind of tell you what happens. Just die. It was two nights ago. I was working late here at the office. Uh, Russell and myself, uh, tons of are really, we had almost half the officer's, it wasn't here. We had nick and John and Brant and Jake and, and it was just getting late. It was one of those things where everyone's just putting in time. Russell had to take off, take care of some family stuff and I end up staying super late that night. I, and as he was leaving, basically, you know what Dave, you want, uh, I know you've got a lot on your plate if you want to go ahead and not, I'll take the early workout time at 6:00 AM if you want to take the nine o'clock and I'm like, that would be fantastic. Speaker 2:     01:09         I'd love to get some rest. So Russell took the 6:00 AM workout time and I took the nine and when I got there I woke up totally refreshed. And what happened is, it typically does is all of a sudden it was, you know, eight 30 around about seven 30 and my phone and my email, everything else just started blowing up and the day just got way out of control and I'm going, oh my gosh, I can't, maybe she didn't even go to this work. I just, I got so much, I've got to get done. I just can't, I can't do this if I, you know, I have to, I just, it's not fair to Eric. It's not, I just need to go. I'll do the workout back. You know, I'll just go early because my thought I'd just go early and then I can get kind of get a head start. Speaker 2:     01:48         So I supposed to be there nine. I got over there at eight 30 and Eric cabinet pull in right behind me. Eric's that guy's been trained, Russell and I, and when we got there I said, listen Eric, I am, my day is just gone crazy. I, I have to be out of here by nine 30 I just really, there's so much going on. I just cannot afford to be late, so if we just make sure we get through this thing real quick and just get this thing done, he goes, oh no problem Dave. We'll just, we'll get after it. And Man, did we ever, I was so sore, I was just beat. There was like no rest between out. It was just like, oh my gosh, I'm just exhausted doing legs and I just, it got to that point where it was nine 20 I'm tired. Speaker 2:     02:28         I'm like, I got a whole day in front of me. I didn't get much sleep last night or didn't feel like it did and then all of a sudden he brings out the dreaded most painful symbol of torture. I just hate, I just cringe at, I just, I literally, I start to sweat more than I normally just for just because I'm like, I know how painful this is going to be. And what he brought out is what we refer to as the BFR bands stands for blood flow resistance bands. And so what you basically do is you put this almost like a tourniquet raw at the top of your thighs and then you inflate it. It's like a surgical, it's so, it's like fabric that has a surgical tube inside and you inflate this, this tube up so that it basically cuts off a lot of the blood flow to your legs. Speaker 2:     03:10         And the whole idea is basically it helps you get a large pump. It helps you get actually to isolate more muscle, helps build more muscle, faster it, it depletes the oxygen and and just really the idea is a great idea. The only problem is it's super, super painful. And then the idea is you then do step ups on the step up on the box. So he put it on one leg, you put that leg up on a, on about a box, it's, you know, 18 inches, two feet off the ground, and you do step ups and do 30 of them. And then you get done with that and take a little bit of a rest and then you 15 and then take a little rest and you did 15 tickle the rest and they do 15 so you do 75 of these stupid step ups in with taking a break between them. Speaker 2:     03:50         And then you do, now you're halfway done. Now you gotta go to the other leg. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I just don't want to do this. I just don't want to do this. And I said, you know what, Eric, listen, I got so much going on right now. I just don't have time for this. I'm just going to bail. And so I did, and I could see the look on his face. Like, you're, you're quitting. Are you really gonna quit right now? And like Eric, I just, I said, listen, I just got to go. And so I bailed out, went to the House, showered, got to the office. When I arrive at the office out, we'd just finished our daily standup and during the deal stamp, Russell told everyone that I, I, I was been late at the office last night and he and I switched times. Speaker 2:     04:28         So I get my workout in and, and which was great. And then I'm walking by Shane's desk. It was, hey Dave, you know, instantly just ask. So how was your workout? And right then and there, all of the memory and all of the pain of my cheating myself out, I, I just felt terrible. And I just broke out into this, into this confession. I felt like I was literally father forgive me for I've Sene type of a thing and I just, I went through them as total, listen, this is what happened. I got there and I cheated. I didn't do the blood flow resistance bands and I left. I just didn't do it. And they all laughed and I'm sure they didn't take anything else about it. The whole day. But I did. And it literally just started to bug me throughout the entire day. And so I started, I knew the only one who knew and the only guy that hurt by my quitting was me. Speaker 2:     05:18         It didn't impact Russell, it didn't impact Eric. It did impact shade and impact anybody. The office, just me. And I reflected on the poem that my grandfather gave me, I don't know, 20 plus years ago, I was serving a mission for our church and I was having some hard times, uh, just, it was just frustrating. And he sent me the letter and just basically said, you know, Dave, what matters more than anything else is that you're honest with yourself. You're true to yourself. And he said, you know what, there's a poem that I really like. And so I'm going to include this poem in here. And the poem is called the man in the glass. So I'm gonna read it to you here. It says, when you get what you want in your struggle for self and the world makes you king for a day, just go to the and look at yourself. Speaker 2:     05:58         And see what that man has to say for it isn't your father or mother or wife whose judgment upon you must pass the fellow whose verdict counts most in your life is the one staring back from the glass. You may be like Jack Horner and Chisel a plum and think you're a wonderful guy, but the man in the glass says you're only a bum if you can't look him straight in the eye. He's the fellow to please, nevermind all the rest for he's with you, clear to the end and you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test. If the man in the glass is your friend, you may fool the whole world down the pathway of years and get pats on the back as you pass, but your final reward will be heartache and tears if you've cheated the man in the glass, and I totally did. I cheated myself out. Speaker 2:     06:38         I was the person. No one else. No one else is impacted at all that what I did, and again, it's not, isn't that big of a deal in the eternal realm of things? No. But the problem is it's the little tiny, small things that make up and it's when you start cheating yourself out, you prevent yourself from the growth that you need. And I see this in business all the time, and I was thinking about, you know, how, how many uncomfortable situations do you put yourself in to grow? Are you trying to find it the easy way out? And you're always trying to cheat a little here. And she got a little there. And then you get fresh when things don't work or when you don't have the skill set or you haven't learned it. It's like, so how many of those uncomfortable situations are you avoiding? Speaker 2:     07:17         And I can tell you right now, the key is you gotta stop avoiding growth opportunities in your life. You actually have to look for ways of growing. You've got to look for those things that are uncomfortable, that actually will help you to grow, to become the man, the woman, the person that actually will help you in your business, that allows you to get beyond and separate yourself from everyone else out there. Yeah. It's one of those things I've seen so many times, and that is you're either you're growing or you're dying, you're never standing the same, you're just never the same standing still and too often officer always looking for the comfortable way out, the easy way out. And I'm just a huge believer in the fact you've got to put yourself in uncomfortable situations. Being an entrepreneur, being a business owner, being that's uncomfortable. Speaker 2:     07:54         But the key is you've got to keep, as you keep pushing through that, you've got to find out what am I doing? What are the things? Am I looking for easy way outs? And I looking to cheat the system here because realize when you're cheating the system, you're only cheating yourself. So there's a couple of things I learned through this whole process. Now, the first thing I learned is I exercise first thing in the morning because I live with a cheap otherwise, if I don't, so the way I avoid my cheating is by having the discipline of actually doing it first thing in the morning. Morning. The other thing I've realized is the impact of momentum. Momentum helps average people like me to obtain greatness. It's just one of those things, and the way I get momentum is by starting off with stacking successes, but really in the day, that's success. Speaker 2:     08:33         That stacking a little tiny successes might be as little as you've been making your bed. It might be as little as getting to the gym. It might be one of those things where you just have to find some way of just getting that next thing I'm doing. Whatever it takes to make sure that you're building up those wins because the more wins you can stack earlier in the day, the easier it is for you to deal with all the other crap and all the other stuff that happens in business as you continue to fight and to push and to go through it because it's going to be there. You're going to run across it. It's one of the most frustrating things about life is you have to find a way of stacking wins. Uh, the other thing, just to kind of complete the story here is that next morning I woke up, I woke up early, I went to the gym, I did the cardio that I promise Eric I was going to do. Speaker 2:     09:13         And then I went back over to Russell's gym. I strapped on those BFR bands, I pumped it up and I did those crazy stair stepping things all because I didn't want to cheat myself out. And again, I, when I put those bands on, it wasn't for anyone else but me. No one else was around. There was no fanfare, there was no bragging at the office. But you know what? I knew I'd done it. And that's what mattered most is. And I think so often as you take a look at things, sometimes it's, you know, we talk a lot about this fact you're one funnel away and people go, Gosh, how many funnels is that? I, I don't know. But I can tell you learn something with every single funnel that you build. And the key here is to make sure that you, you don't cheat yourself. Speaker 2:     09:54         Don't cheat yourself out of the learning experience, do whatever it takes. Get good at it. Skill set, master that skill set. There's so much reward that comes in mastery that so many people, they just are afraid to actually pay the price of mastery. So pay the price you'll always be blessed for your business will be better for it. You'll be a better person, your family would be better people for it. So having an amazing day, get out there, crush it, and just remember you're one funnel away. By the way, speaking one funnel away. If you don't know, we actually are doing it. One funnel, a challenge, and this is probably the best thing you could ever do to commit to doing something on a regular basis every single day. So if you go to one funnel away.com and check it out, [inaudible] dot com we have a challenge that starts about every 30 days. It's typically towards the end of the month, beginning of the month. And what you'll find is you literally get a challenge every single day. And I can tell you those people who have actually doing it are seeing massive results. If you don't know what to do, the first thing I'd tell you do right now is go to one funnel away challenge or go to one funnel away.com so again, one funnel away.com take the challenge you'll be better for it. Have an awesome name.

Sometimes we all have lessons that we have forgotten.  Recently, Dave had to relearn some lessons from Russell on product value. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: DON’T devalue your product or service! (3:00) Becoming resourceful (7:00) Difference between price and value (9:30) Quotable Moments: "By adding greater value, the value will overcompensate for any price reduction" "There is a huge difference between resources, and being resourceful" Important Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1:   00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Speaker 2:   00:18         radio. This has been a crazy, crazy time. I'm actually recording this in my master bedroom of kind of snuck away here during Thanksgiving holiday. The families over there on the other rooms. I went over here to hide to record this, but I didn't want to. I want to make sure you guys got this. Uh, so I just did a facebook live about it and wanting to make sure that I didn't forget the emotion that I was having right now. So I, I've had the opportunity of knowing Russell now going on I think 11, 11 years, 12 years, something like that. Some crazy amount of time and it's been fun for me to see, uh, our friendship grow and change and develop over the years, being a part in click funnels, all that kind of stuff. But the thing I'm always amazed by as I continue to learn from him and there's nothing more frustrating to meet and having to relearn a lesson, it just pays me wanting to kind of capture this. Speaker 2:   01:06         And so honestly I thought about just calling this the confessions confessions, but I relearned about black Friday from Russell, but I think we changed it so it'll be something more along the lines of, of market less black Friday mark lesson, something like that. Anyways, backstory here. So Russell was heading out of town on Tuesday, spend the holidays with his family down in Utah. I was here in the office and, and uh, uh, Tuesday and Wednesday and our offices were closed Thursday, Friday. So I knew we were kind of coming down to the end. We've never done a black Friday sale before. And I thought, you know what, I'm going to try to provide extra value here to Russell. And uh, she even get a black Friday sale into for funnel hacking live tickets, a Julie's story. And was out. She had some family thing she was out with. Speaker 2:   01:48         And so I was kinda running the show. They're on a couple of marketing meetings and all that and so I literally, as I was driving into the office thought, okay, what if we end up doing a cyber black Friday cyber Monday sale? So I'm trying to think of what different things we could do and I thought, you know what, why don't we ended up having a to a basically two payment plan option. We've never done it to payment plan option for funnel hacking live tickets. I thought, you know what, that'd be an awesome idea. What a great idea. How to two payment plan for funnel hacking live tickets. It's only good for cyber for black Friday and cyber Monday for those four days. And I know what I should probably just run this by Russell first. So I said on vox a, but I'm sorry. You know what? Speaker 2:   02:29         I know your family. Everything else. Just while it's. No, I was thinking about doing this and usually Russell's real good at getting back to me on stuff and I realized that this family stuff that, you know, I'll let this slide for a bit and after a few hours and I didn't hear back and I thought, oh, maybe that's not the best idea. And because one of things I'm known for wrestling live have known each other a long time. We know how each other work real well. And so one of the things I know with Russell is he hates to say no, he hates to be the guy to disappoint and hate. No. And so I've learned that for me. Then the best thing to find out is typically way he'll say no, he just won't respond to something. So I'm sitting there thinking, you know what, I'm going to, I'll post this to him one more time and if I don't hear back then that's a no. Speaker 2:   03:14         So I posted it one more time. Say, Hey, I know you're with family, I just want to kind of run this by before we do this. And uh, we have an inside joke about a guy who's been lily badgering Russell to do consult and this is a guy gets paid millions of dollars for consulting that Russell just doesn't have the time and the bandwidth to work with, but continues just to say, would you please, please? So he's just begging him in and it got to the point where it's like, listen, I don't respond. That's just my way of saying no. So I just kind of put the guy's initials there, said it might be in like this. And he kind of joked about it and vox dyson, all right dave, so this deal, why not, instead of lowering the price, even though it's the same price, instead of doing a payment plan, if you want to do a black Friday sale, isn't there something we can provide a value instead? Speaker 2:   04:04         And I'm like, oh, of course price is the worst thing to compete on, especially during black Friday and cyber Monday. Because everybody else is doing that. And anytime you're competing on price, it is a race to the bottom. And everybody knows that there's no competitive advantage of being the second lowest price leader. It just isn't. So why in the world be racing to the bottom? And I'm like, oh, I know that lesson and I've said that lesson, I've taught that lesson a million times and yet I'm falling prey to it again. And so I was just kicking myself and go, oh, you got to be kidding me. So we came up with this other amazing thing where it was funnel emerged in which the product that we were sold in the past only in one time offers and fit and it has a $3,000 value, which they huge, huge bonus, which is a much better opportunity for anybody who is wanting to go to funnel hacking live. Speaker 2:   04:52         But the other lesson about anytime you find yourself in a situation where you're lowering price, even on black Friday and cyber Monday, what happens here is now you are rewarding people for postponing purchases, which is a terrible thing as a business to do. In fact, the last thing you want to do is to encourage people to wait. That's why we use urgency. We use scarcity, all these kinds of things and so I sit there going why in the world where have done that and I was thought I was being so creative and so smart, but it was a terrible, terrible thing to do and then I'm going through some of my facebook posts that I've got this post from Dean Holland and in his his English cheeky way, basically sarcastically posts out there, shout out to all of the product owners and service providers that are about to alienate their trust in customers by discounting their products for black Friday, cyber Monday for the people that didn't buy yet. Speaker 2:   05:43         And I was like, oh, it was like a knife to the heart and I know Dean's right to. So I got Russell and Dina. I'm like, okay, I totally screwed this thing up. But again, the lesson here I want to make sure you guys gain and get here is anytime. Find yourself trying to lower price in an attempt to gain market share. It's never, ever, ever going to work to your advantage. There has to be a way that you can add greater value and by adding greater value, the value will overcompensate for any price reduction, and so whenever you're looking offers, try to find ways of reducing price, try to find ways to where the value becomes so huge that the price seems ridiculously low because of all the extra value that they're getting. So that was the first lesson. Then the second lesson came this morning where I got this box from Steven Larsen, who's just love the guy to death. Speaker 2:   06:38         He's just been doing amazing things recently and so he was in our facebook group and we've seen a lot of people complain and say, I just. I just can't afford funnel hacking live tickets. There are a thousand bucks. It's during the holidays and a million different excuses. Now you have to understand there's a. there's a huge different between resources and being resourceful. I've understand there's been a lot of times where I did not have the resources, meaning the money, the cash, whatever it was to actually purchase something, but the key is to find a way of becoming more resourceful. So you can either earn the money or find a different way of doing it. Now, steven has probably been the king of this when it came to funnel hacking live because this first year at funnel hacking live, he became extremely resourceful. He again still in college, didn't have a job, didn't have much money, was building funnels for people. Speaker 2:   07:25         Thought you know what? I'm going to barter funnels for funnel hacking, live ticket, and I'm going to barter funnels for airfare and I'm in a bar to funnels for a hotel and it's exactly what he did. And because he did that, he not only got the benefit of actually being at funnel hacking live, he also got the benefit of of increasing his skill set by building more funnels, by becoming more resourceful instead of complainants. And I didn't have the money. So back to where Steven's box came in today, it's like, hey russell, Dave, I'm so tired of seeing people say they can't afford it. He goes, I personally think that person shouldn't pay their rent or shouldn't pay their other bills and she by the phone that can I have a ticket first? Because they do that, they'll find a way of paying their rent. Speaker 2:   08:06         They'll find a way of of paying their bills. If they keep thinking they're eventually going to find a way to pay for fun, I can life. They never will. They'll never change the life. So he said, what if I actually jump on into the facebook group and I'll do a facebook live or something like that in the facebook group and and teach people how they can become more resourceful. And I'm like, Steven, that's an awesome idea. That's a great idea. And I think in everybody's out of town and didn't want to inconvenience people, I think know what, see why don't we do that like the first week of December and will be a great opportunity for us to come up with another offer and I get this little box back from Russell. He's like, Dave, you want to take advantage of this right now when we already have an offer going and like a slap in my face going again, that's like two lessons. Speaker 2:   08:51         I know this more than anybody else and that is anytime you have a marketing opportunity and slapping you, staring you right in the face, take advantage of a right then and there. Don't think of postponing it because postponing that loses the momentum. It loses the excitement, loses the energy, and I'm sitting there just kicking myself going, Ugh, here I try to be so helpful and both times it backfired on me, but because of that seems actually gonna be doing a facebook live on Monday morning for us and it'll be an amazing facebook live. I'm sure he'll go for an hour plus just teaching people the seven lessons that he learned sitting next to Russell for two years as a funnel builder. The third lesson out of all this and that is whenever you are putting together offer understand there's a huge difference between price and value and the key when you're presenting the offer is you always talk about the value and not the actual price because the value is what people understand. Speaker 2:   09:51         They perceive it's what they. That's what they're buying. So take for example, if you are to. We have the offer going on right now for funding by the time you listen to his argument pass, but it's a lesson in hindsight you can learn from. So what we have right now is you actually get a 2000, $997 value free, absolutely free when you go ahead and you buy your phone. I can like take before midnight on cyber Monday. The problem is if a person says, well, you know, it's, I saw it as an oto is only $300. If I was to tell the person, listen, you get a $300 product, when you buy a $997 value, they're going to go, ah, that's okay. But if I tell them that you get a $3,000 value, which to me, it's actually worth a ton more than $3,000. Considering all the values in that product is insane. Speaker 2:   10:43         You have a $3,000 value for free when you purchase a $997 funnel hacking live ticket. So real quick summary here, understand first and foremost, never, ever, ever, ever compete on price because all it does is it alienates your best buyers. It also frustrates them because it encourages people to wait and so you lose urgency. You lose scarcity and you're doing everything wrong. He's got completely opposite of how any marketing should be done. Second, if you have a marketing opportunity staring you right in the face, take advantage of it, don't postpone marketing opportunities. They're there for a short period of time. And the third thing, always, always in your offers, talk about value and not about price. When you're talking about the value they're going to be receiving. So with all that said, if for some reason you have not purchased the funnel hacking live ticket, I don't know why I don't. Speaker 2:   11:37         I honestly, I don't know why, but for some reason you haven't. Please go to funnel hacking live.com and get your and get a ticket. I would love to see you guys meet me there and say, you know what, Dave, I listened to that episode during Thanksgiving and I'm here because of that. That would be like awesome, or if you buy your ticket because you listened to this, send me a personal message or whatever. I would love just to see that this resonated. It made sense. Anyways, I hope you have an amazing day. I can't wait to see you guys at funnel hacking live in Nashville, the 20th through the 23rd of February. Again, funnel hacking live.com. Get your tickets and please take the heartless three lessons that I had to relearn from Russell today. So amazing. Have a great time and we'll talk soon. Speaker 3:   12:18         Everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if there's people you like me to interview, more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or I do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

While in Palm Springs for the EY Entrepreneur of the Year awards, Jennifer Garner was one of keynote speakers was Jennifer Garner.  Dave shares the lessons he learned from her. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Embracing Success (2:00) The importance of going through the finish line (4:00) Go All In! (9:50) The stress of success (13:00) Quotable Moments: "It doesn’t matter where you’ve been, it matters where you are going" "Business pushes philanthropy" "There is no try, there is only do" "You can’t outsource your relationships" Important Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward. Speaker 2:     00:17         Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm so excited. I'm actually out here in palm springs and just enjoying a joint a day with my wife and uh, just after entrepreneur of the year have met with Russell and collect and she spent a ton of fun just kind of reflecting on things. And one of the things that happened while we were here yesterday afternoon, we had the opportunity of, of, of listening from Jennifer Garner and I love, I love just how authentic she is and how real she is. And I just wanted to kind of share some of the lessons I learned from listening to Jennifer Garner. So what some of the first things she talked about was, it doesn't matter where you've been, it just where you're going. And I know this is a kind of a trite little saying, but she grew up in a Hick town of a West Virginia and really where there was nothing at all and she talked about her growing up and how she had no desire of of being an actor or anything else. Speaker 2:     01:15         You just didn't even know what that was. A. In fact, the statement she said was, I remember growing up and I thought that Gilligan's island was actually a documentary. I didn't even think of the fact that it could actually been on a set and just understanding the where she came from. She had no concept of, of movies, of Hollywood, of, of anything or like that. And I thought so often in life we get wrapped up as far as of our past and realizing you don't word. It doesn't matter where you've been hurled thing, it just mattered where you're going. I think the other things you talked about was this whole idea of success and how it changed you as you go throughout your life and really the importance of embracing it and using it to build on your dreams. My wife and I were out here and it's been kind of a surreal experience there. Speaker 2:     01:59         We're sitting in with 200 of the world's greatest entrepreneurs who basically made it and they're successful all brought in by Ernst and young and sitting in the room, you have no idea who's sitting next to you and you have no idea as far as as the level of success at different people have attained it and where you're going. And it was kind of a funny thing where we're sitting there and as the the winners were announced in the technology division. I was obviously I really want to make sure Russell one, and it was an interesting thing. We got done afterwards and we're looking at the person who actually did win and it was Tom Siebel and this is the guy who basically bought, built siebold. The company who Marc Benioff, it learn from it now Marc Benioff is a. We would basically, it was mentored by Siebold who is now gone on to build and create another billion dollar company. Speaker 2:     02:57         So Russell lost to a who it was just kind of fascinated that they're going, you just have no idea of the level of success. And then the overall winner happened to have been the guy who found a groupon and I'm sitting there going, all these guys are in this audience and you have no idea of the level of success, uh, the different people are at. And I think at times you get so caught up in your own life that you think that your idea of success is a certain level. And then doors get open and you're like, holy smokes, I can't believe what other levels of success are attainable. We had the same experience for those of you guys have been watching the funnel hacker TV. If you haven't, go check it out. We had three episodes in a from dreamforce in San Francisco where we're in Chicago and, uh, two private plans and, and literally within a 24 hour period of time and flying back with grant Cardone, it was just, it was just such a crazy thing when you start realizing how the level of success of the people have in life and where you're at, there's still a whole bunch of other opportunities and other ways of growing. Speaker 2:     03:54         And so it was interesting to hear her talk about that aspect as well. One of the things she also mentioned was, uh, the time she spent with Matthew mcconaughey on the Dallas buyers club. So she was kind of reminiscing about a lot of the different movies and shows and stuff that she'd been in. And one of the things she talked about was realizing how, how much people give when they're actors, where they go all in, on portraying who they are becoming. And with Matthew mcconaughey, who's become a real good friend of hers by this time, had for Dallas buyers club, lost a ton of weight. And look to the way she described it as completely gaunt and was so weak and she was always afraid as he's walking down the stairs, it wasn't able to make it down the stairs and one of the times she actually saw him, his energy, his trailer there and he'd sit there talking to him, said, Matthew, are you going to be able to make it? Speaker 2:     04:47         I'm just so concerned about you as a friend and I just wanna make sure you don't make it through this and, and you know what she can eat and you can do other things. And he's like, you know, Jennifer, I'm not focusing on the finish. He says I'm going through the finish line. I thought my wife has been an amazing athlete and still is to this day. And I and I've seen so many different races and marathons she's been in and there's such a difference for those people who make it to the finish line versus those people who are going through the finish line. If you haven't seen it, it's a completely different look on a person's face where they come across the finish line and they keep going because that wasn't the goal wasn't just to get to the finish line. It was I'm going through the finish line and I think that's so important in life that you realize that wherever you set your limit, that's where are you going to go, and so if you said, I'm just going to get to the finish line and I'm done when I'm done versus I'm going through that finish line and I thought that if you look at people who master things in life, that's the approach they take it. Speaker 2:     05:51         Life is I'm going through the finish line and so I've. I'm really trying to adapt that more in my own life is to make sure that I'm going through the finishing line and not just to it. I want to do the things I really learned a ton from Jennifer on was her ability to pull the emotions of the story from the past to the present. Literally as if it had just happened. And I'm so fascinated by great storytellers because they have this insane ability to elicit so much emotion, just raw, deep seated emotion where you almost want to cry. You, you want to laugh with them, you want to because you feel like it's like you're watching it live right then and there even though they're telling a story that happened to them 20 years ago and it's something I'm really gonna try to spend more time on developing for myself over this next year is that ability to tell stories where you elicit just raw, pure, deep seated emotion where when you were crying, you could actually bring back those tiers when you were laughing. Speaker 2:     06:53         You bring back the humor. When you are sad and you were experiencing pain, you can bring back those feelings without a destroying you, but in a way that actually helps other people really capture that same feeling that you had by doing it. That's how people are able to learn and to grow and experience things. And I think great storytellers have this insane ability to do that. And Jennifer, she was off the charts crazy with it yesterday. Uh, the other thing I loved was her, this concept of Jennifer has been a spokesperson for years and still to this day, obviously, if those guys would follow, you've seen our capital one that you've seen her involving with saving the children. And so she talks so much about the difference between being a spokesperson versus being an owner. And recently it was kind of fun. The reason she was there speaking to this group of entrepreneurs was because she's become an entrepreneur. Speaker 2:     07:48         She's now become a business owner. And she says, and this is one of the guy believes soul so hard at the end that is business pushes philanthropy. And what she meant by that is it's one thing as a spokesperson to speak on behalf of a philanthropic idea, whereas this totally different experience to be a business owner where you can contribute your dollars, your time and everything else to that. Uh, so recently she, her whole thing is about kids and about saving the children and about making sure that young kids and young families are able to have farm fresh food. And so she's now has invested in and become a, a, a whole network of farms called once upon a farm. And our whole reason to doing that is because she wanted to be, as a business owner, to be able to contribute not only money and not only be a spokesperson, but to really crafted the business and the direction the business was going. Speaker 2:     08:41         She goes, the hardest part as a spokesperson is you have all these great ideas you'd like to have let people know about, but they don't care because you're not the business owner. You're a hired hand. And I think the, the idea here as business owners, we have the ability to really push whatever philanthropic idea we want because you're the ones who are contributing the money behind it. You're the ones who were building it and driving it. And so I think, uh, we've tried to do the same thing with click funnels. We did donate to a dollar for every single follow that gets published to village impact. Uh, we spent over a million dollars last year, invested a million in, and they'll be a million dollars for our operation underground railroad by creating a, by filming, a documentary, paying for the documentary, and then using that documentaries you've gotten to raise money. We're now in the process of hiring an affiliate manager. Speaker 2:     09:27         In fact, for those of you guys who might be interested, this by all means, reach out to me. If you're wanting to be an affiliate manager for operation underground railroad, by all means, let me know because we're in the process of trying to hire someone to help push this, this mission and this passion forward. And that's what you have the ability to do as a business owner, is to be able to actually make change happen. One of the things she talked about was, uh, this, some of the advice she said is, be decisive. In other words, go all in. Don't dabble. Don't dip your toe in. Realize whatever you're going to do, go all in on this thing. Focus on and spend. Don't just so often people and drives me crazy. I hear this happen all the time. Well, I'm going to try this. No, it doesn't work. Speaker 2:     10:10         If you're going to try it, they'll never work. Uh, I think it's back to Yoda saying there is no one. There is no try. There's only do. And I think that's the whole idea here is you've got to go all in. I don't care if it's all in, on your business, all in, in your relationships, all in your parenting. Whenever you're going to do, go all in on it, man. Have a ton of fun. Get excited about it. It's one of the things I've loved, I admire so much with my wife is she has this insane ability when she's in something, she's all in it and I've. It's one of the things I'm so attracted to her because of this ability she has, if going all in with our kids. She's all in and our kids, I mean it's 100 percent as a mom. She's raising our kids in and 100 percent all in, in our relationship. Speaker 2:     10:55         She's all in, in her church. Callings and service. She's all in on it. And I think that as you take a look at life, the people who enjoy life and experience life and love life the most, it's because they go all in on it. And I think too often people dabble thinking, I'm going to try this. I'm gonna try that. There is no try. There's only do so go all in. Have a ton of fun and experience life that way. That's the only way you truly get the most out of life without sending. I think she talked about this whole concept as far as balance in life. There is no such thing as really a balance, but you have to kind of look at it day by day and week by week and year to year. And as you kind of pay attention to those things on time capsules, you'll find areas where, you know, what, it's been a long time since I've focused in this area in my life. Speaker 2:     11:41         And you got to go focus on that. Um, I think my wife and I were talking about it today as far as this idea that you cannot, you can't outsource certain things in your life. And one of the things you cannot outsource or your relationships, you just can't do it. You gotta you have, that's the one thing. I mean I can outsource a ton of other stuff at work and at home, but the one thing you cannot outsource or your relationships and you guys spend time, you've got to focus. You've got to develop those and build those. The one thing you can't outsource. So go all in, be excited and spend the time developing those relationships. The last thing, uh, the interviewer though, it was actually a friend of hers, she lifelong friend, she'd grown up with basically in her early days in New York trying to try to get jobs and interviewing for parts and all that kind of stuff. Speaker 2:     12:34         And she was Korean, was sitting there asking her, so what would, what would you tell yourself today that you would do that would be important for your 28 year old self to know? And she goes at 20 slash 20. It was when Jennifer was just starting to have success and says, you know, Jennifer, what would Jennifer's now 46 as she sat on 46 and a half, just made me have a little bit 46 and a half, so it's almost 20 years before she had her first success. He says, what would you tell yourself? You went back to your 20 year old self will be the life lessons and things you would want your 28 year old self to know. And it's kind of funny because Jennifer said, you know what? The first thing I would tell myself as soon as you start having success is to understand, understand that success is stressful. Speaker 2:     13:19         And so the very first thing I would do is I would, I would get, I would get a coach and I'd start therapy and everybody started laughing. She goes, no, I'm really serious. You have to understand that success is stressful and it will literally eat you up. And as I sat there, I thought, you know what? The greatest things I've done in my life, things I've learned the most is the importance of having mentors. Having coaches and she was talking about the same thing. Get a mentor, get a coach, get involved in therapy, find someone who can help you manage all the craziness that's going to go on in your life. And so as I take a look at all the things that have happened, the things I've enjoyed the most is when I started hiring coaches in my life and mentors, uh, for those of you guys have been following you on facebook or even hearing a lot of my podcast, uh, this, this last year, I've hired three different coaches. Speaker 2:     14:07         I've got a coach for our financial goals and things where I'm trying to go to financially. I hired another coach as far as a trainer. I'm getting up at 4:33 days a week and it's the most brutal time and I hate it, but I love it and I'm so grateful for Eric and for all the things that he's helped me learn. I'm learning proper form and techniques and it's one of those things were working out as never. It's been one thing I've always wanted to do, but I've never focused on it and I didn't focus on it until I got a coach and I'm so thankful for him and I'm obviously I'd, I would love to have these rippling muscles and everything else. I'm not there yet, but what I am is I'm learning and I'm growing and I'm, I'm. I'm really loving getting in shape and staying in shape and focusing on it. Speaker 2:     14:54         So realize you've got to hire a coach. And then the other coach have hired recently as a personal coach, a Jerrick Robbins, Tony's son. I hired him to help me with some of the things that my own personal life and in business and I've loved the time I spent with all three of these coaches and so I highly recommend that one of the most important things for you to make sure that you're doing is you're hiring mentors. You're hiring coaches. You're getting therapy or you're going through and that. You're using that to realize that success is stressful and your level of success. Every depends on the people you're associated with and the people you hire. And the people you're getting coached by and mentored by, so realize that you have to use coaches in your life. And I'm a huge, huge proponent of it. So as much as I love going to live events, I also love having coaches. Speaker 2:     15:39         I hope you guys have an amazing time. Let me know if this kind of content is valued. Gee, I really, again, I value your time and I want to make sure that, uh, anybody who's listening to this, that they're getting something out of this that is a value to you. So please go to itunes rate and review this. Leave me a comment there. Send me a facebook message in instagram, personal message, email, whatever it is. Let me know if this is a value to you. If it's not, I want, I want to change it, I want to stop it because your time is the, is the one thing that I know I can never get more of, neither can use. So I want to make sure that day those you guys were listening to this, that you're getting value out of it. Having an amazing day and we'll talk to you soon. Speaker 3:     16:15         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. 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Dave unravels the truth about the theory “Practice makes Perfect” and explains how this is not always the case.  If you are practicing bad habits, you will never achieve perfection. Accountability and coaching are both very important tools to use in achieving goals and seeing results. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Taking massive action (0:45) The importance of a coach (1:20) Tweaking the form (3:30) Quotable Moments: "Practice makes permanent" "Little tiny changes and tweaks make massive massive differences" "The best investment is in you personally" Links:FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward Speaker 2:     00:17       [inaudible]. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm your host Dave Woodward. And this is a crazy topic that people, uh, hit me up on all the time. That is, I keep doing. I keep practicing, practicing, practicing, doing everything right, but I just can't. I'm not getting better at it. What's wrong? Let me just tell you what's wrong. So the key here is the old saint as far as practice makes perfect, is wrong. So practice does not make perfect what practice it actually does make his practice makes permanent. So if what you're practicing is bad form and bag techniques and, and bad copy, you're going to make that. You're going to make that permanent. You're going to have bad form, you're going to have bad copy your. And so understand. I'm a huge believer in the fact that yes, you always want to make sure that you're taking massive action and that you're practicing and doing everything. Speaker 2:     01:02       Don't get me wrong on this, so take massive action, but the key to taking massive action is you've got to make sure that you're making changes. Too often people take massive action and they're taking all this action, but they never look at the results they're getting and it never tweaking and changing that to get to where they need to go. This is why I'm such a huge believer in having, in hiring coaches are currently. I've got two different coaches. I'm actually three different coaches, one for my finances, another one for getting me in shape. Finally. And the third one actually is for my business and personal life. So it's been interesting. All of my, uh, anytime I've ever had a coach, they've always talked so much about the importance of form. So Eric cafferty is the guy who literally beats me up at. I get up at 4:30 in the morning, 4:00 every morning. Speaker 2:     01:48       I'm sorry, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, not the gym at 5:00, at Russell's gym there, and he acts. Rustled actually comes and works out with Eric the next hour at six and it's kind of crazy because what I've realized is I've, I've never really been big into lifting weights. I've always tried to kind of keep in shape, but I've never been in the gym, has never been something that, uh, if you look at me, I don't have, I don't look like Arnold at all. Uh, but the key here is I'm want to get back in shape and I want to be in better, in better shape because I know the impact of health has on my business life, my emotional life, my family life, my relationship, all that kind of stuff. It's just a huge, huge, important part of my life. And what I've realized is I wanted to hire a coach because I wanted to get the correct form. Speaker 2:     02:35       The reason I say that is what I've seen happen for, for me is I'll go in the gym and it becomes all of a sudden this testosterone infusion here because I've got A. I'm typically in there with my boys, so I've got four boys, my oldest chandler, 22 parker's 20 Christians, 17 in Jackson's 15 and all of them were blessed with these Adonis Greek Life God bodies where they literally just look at a weight and they just. Their shoulders pump up there just pumps up. I'm like, this is so unfair. It takes me 10,000 times the amount of effort to get any attempt of the results of these guys get, but needless to say, being the dad, I cannot ever admit defeat and so I've been in the gym many times with them where I'm like, I will lift whatever they lift just because I got to lift that number, that weight. Speaker 2:     03:25       And what I've realized is I typically have created a ton of bad habits of a form and Eric has always tweaking my form whenever we lift in the morning. And the crazy thing is it's not like a massive drastic change. Sometimes it's literally moving my shoulders or my elbows an inch, two inches, and then all of a sudden the weight drops. I'm like, what happened? I was lifting all this weight. He goes, because you're using the wrong muscles, you're not. That's not what this exercise is for, and my only reason I mentioned this to you is I want to make sure that when you're taking a look at your business that you're, that you're making changes along the way that you actually are learning. And yes, I agree. I totally agree. You got to practice and you've got to keep keep at it, but you got to make sure that what you're practicing is the right thing and the way you practice the right thing is by getting a coach the way you practice it. Speaker 2:     04:14       The right thing is by looking at the results that you're getting. Um, Julie. So I did the most amazing podcast the other day about funnel math. If you haven't listened to it, a check out Julie's podcast at the laptop lifestyle. I forget which number it was like 22, 23. Anyways, it's called funnel math. And the reason she, she did it was because funnel math. So often people get discouraged because they're looking at the wrong numbers. They're looking at the wrong results and they're judging their funnel based on on wrong numbers, and so she did an awesome job of going through and explaining exactly what are the actual numbers that you should be getting on. What's a good number for an optin, what's a good number for your first sale, what's a good number for an order form bump, what's a good number for an oto, how does that translate into a facebook ads and when do you know your funnels working versus that your ad costs are too high. Speaker 2:     05:06       So she went through all of that and the reason I mentioned this is that's why practice is so important because you're always reevaluating you testing, you're tweaking and if you keep practicing without evaluating where you're at, all that's happening is you're making bad habits permanent. Like for me, as far as weight lifting, I had some terrible, terrible form habits that I'm not tweaking and changing and I'm starting to see results which are, which is what everyone. That's the only reason we practice stuff as we want results on the other side things. Um, another thing I'm, so golf is one of the things I'm starting to get back into a years ago I asked you used to be a pretty decent golfer and then I had four boys and uh, since then I just, it's been 20 plus years of no golf and so we hired a coach and it's interesting again, it's the little tiny things where it's, it's the angle of the golf club not only at the impacting the ball, it's the angle of, of how you're bringing the club head back and the trajectory as it's coming through. Speaker 2:     06:07       A little little tiny changes and tweaks make massive, massive differences. But you have to have a coach. And the best way of getting a coach is to find someone who's already got the results that you want and modeled that. Russell's talked about this. A ton of Tony Robbins has talked about this. This is one of the things we are huge in a we. Oh Gosh, I wish. I wish you guys had all joined. Are One funnel away challenge. I'm sure we're going to be rolling this out again. Uh, so if you haven't, go to one funnel away challenge.com and sign up so you at least get the notifications of when we do this. So we did a 30 days.com, uh, where basically what happened was we went through and Russell reached out to people and said, listen, if you were to lose absolutely everything and all, and these were all two comma club award winners. Speaker 2:     06:52       People that made over a million dollars on funnel said, listen, if you lost everything and all you had was click funnels and your marketing knowledge, what would you do to get back on top in 30 days? And so each one of them came up with a plan and we put these plans together in a 564 page book. And what happened was as they went through the funnel, what they had the opportunity to doing was to sign up for our one funnel away challenge. Now the one funnel only challenge is Russell, Julie, and Steven. So Russell gives you 10,000 foot level. Julie breaks it down into a bite size pieces so you can actually consume it. And Steven is the executioner where he's literally every single day out there feeding, feeding the drum, making sure that you're taking massive action and more importantly that you're looking at what's working and what's not and you're making the changes. So again, go to one funnel away challenge.com. Sign up so you get the notification that we're probably going to open this up sometime in 2019, but make sure that you're getting that. So if you don't already have a coach, that's one of the easiest places to get one. Uh, another one is to find someone and go out and basically find someone who can hold you accountable. And sometimes that coach is just an accountability coach where they're literally just holding you accountable to doing whatever it takes. Speaker 2:     08:06       The reason for this you'll find is too often we get all, we got whole bunch of goals and a whole bunch of ideas and, and everything's set to go, but we don't take the action that's necessary. And an accountability coach is one of the best things you will ever have to do that. And again, this is where they're holding your feet to the fire to make sure that you're practicing. And then what's going to happen is then you can have, you can hire someone else to help you basically evaluate what's, what's taking place. One of the best things to do to help someone from an accountability standpoint is live. And I've, I've done this myself, actually got this tip from Russell that was, um, Speaker 2:     08:43       find a dollar amount that is extremely painful for you to give up for, for you might be $100, might be a thousand dollars, it might be 10,000 feet. And for some of you guys were listening to a hundred grand and you basically go and you find someone, you've set a goal and you find someone who's going to hold you accountable and you literally write them a check and you send them the check and they have it's made out to them and they can cash that check. If you don't reach whatever it is that you want them to hold you accountable for, you will be amazed where all of a sudden, if it was a goal to get up early in the morning workout, if all of a sudden you realize, listen, if I don't get out of bed, that's going to cost me a thousand bucks. You know what? Speaker 2:     09:21       You'll get out of bed in the morning and sometimes that's all it takes. So realize you've got to find an accountability partner or accountability. Partners are fantastic. Another thing is a mastermind. You don't have to join a expensive, you know, $25,000 mastermind and if you can't afford it or anything else right now, just find two or three people that you get together with on a regular basis where they're evaluating your ideas and your evaluating their ideas. You're coaching them, they're coaching you, and realize that as you're doing this, you're going to find that that accountability and that open mindset and as you start coaching other people, you will be amazed at what happens to your own, your own thoughts and your own abilities. So again, I started this off of this whole idea as far as practice makes permanent, so please understand you have to continue to reevaluate on a regular basis. Speaker 2:     10:07       What type of success that you're having are, is what is the practice that you're doing is getting you the right result and sometimes you're going to have to actually pay a coach to really help you get, get the results as I'm doing right now with regard to my form and those are things that are are critical and it's worth it. Don't ever. It always amazes me when people shy away from the expense of a coach. That's the investing in yourself is the most important thing. I wouldn't invest a dollar in the stock market or real estate or anything else until you invest in yourself first. You're the best investment is in new personally. By investing in you, you will find that you're able to make a ton more money to invest in the stock market or bitcoin or or real estate or whatever widget or gadget one invest in, but you got to invest in your very first investment is for yourself. Speaker 2:     10:57       So invest in yourself first, find a coach, finding an accountability partner, join a mastermind, do whatever it takes, and just realize that I'm just doing the practice by itself. That's not good enough. You've got to make sure that someone is evaluating that practice to make sure that what you're practicing is the right forum. It's the right technique. Take massive action, realized practice makes permanent, and if what you want permanent is perfection, you'll find that as you practice the right things, you actually will get it and it will become permanent and it will become perfect. So having an amazing day, getting so many different things happening right now. One of the things that actually is coming up, I've forgotten. I want to make sure if, if you haven't already signed up to attend funnel hacking live, please go get your tickets. Go to funnel hacking live.com. Speaker 2:     11:39       Register. Get your tickets. I would love to meet you there. Love to have you come up and say, Hey, I heard your podcast, Dave and your podcast is what got me to funnel hacking live, or whatever it might be. Anyways, whether it is or isn't what got to funnel hacking live, most important thing is get to hacking live, so we'll go get your ticket@funnelhackinglive.com. Can't wait to see you guys. Thank you so much. Again. I appreciate everyone who takes the time to listen to podcasts. I know you've got a lot going on in your life. I hope I'm providing value to you. Please reach out. Let me know if I am a. You can connect with me on instagram and on facebook. You can email me. Uh, just let me know whatever I can to be to provide greater good or value for you. Have an awesome day and we'll talk soon. Speaker 3:     12:16       Hi everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000. So we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and, and get this out to more people at the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or Speaker 4:     13:02       I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

I'm tripling how often I deliver my webinar. BUT, sometimes I can't be there to do it live, so... Hey, what's going on everyone. This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. And now, here's your host, Steve Larsen. So I was just outside. We've been shipping just a whole bunch of stuff into the house, stuff for our garage, stuff for ... just lots of different stuff. And a lot of the stuff has come on big pallets and things like that. We've been shipping a lot of cool stuff in here. It's been fun. But funny enough, we've just had this stack of boxes and pallets and all this stuff all over the place and so we've been wondering what to do with it. There's no one who comes out and says, "Hey, you've got a whole bunch of pallets you've got to get rid of?" You know what I mean? So it's funny, for Valentine's Day, my wife got me an ax, which is kind of fun, actually. So I've been outside for the last three hours just bashing apart and burning these pallets, and it's been a whole lot of fun. It's totally manly. Hey, this last week has been kind of interesting with my webinar. A lot of sales at first, kind of trickled down, and then it really slowed down quite a bit, and I know ... I figured out why. I think I figured out why. I think it's because ... So here's the numbers, right. I still have a 56 percent opt in rate on my first page. 56 percent. It's awesome. It's really, really ... I mean super, super cool. I'll get 150 to 200 people registering from my webinar each week. But there's only like a 7 to 10 percent show up rate. Of the people who show up, I still end up usually closing anywhere from 10 to 20 percent, which is an awesome close rate for a webinar. But the actual show up rate is so low that the last little bit here hasn't been that many sales. I'm like, okay, what's the problem? And I know there's probably some guru or whatever's out there who's like, "Why would you ever share these numbers? Don't make yourself look bad." What I'm trying to help you understand and to know and show and see, is that my reaction to what the market is telling me is what is key right here. And so I was ... I'm not going to lie, I was super frustrated, like, what the heck's going on? C'mon. I know the product's freaking awesome. There's no one else selling anything that's like this. I know it's incredible. I've had amazing success stories with it. People are doing amazing things with it. Like, ah. It's been so cool. So I'm like, okay. But that just goes to show what I keep saying to all these people too. Stop focusing and freaking out so much about the product. Start focusing and be obsessive over the sales message and the product will take care of itself. You go and you make something awesome. And it should still be awesome, but you know what I mean? Focus on that second... Anyway, so I was boxing Russell, and I was like, "Dude, I don't know what the heck's going on. It's nerve-wracking doing one webinar per week, and ... " Follow me on this okay? There's something very specific I want to tell you guys on this webinar because I'm very excited you guys. I think I hacked out the way cook funnels works a little bit. It's so cool. So anyway, I was boxing Russell and I was like, dude, what's going on. What do you think's happening? What do you ... " And he was making fun of me because I'm still putting a dollar in on ads and I'll get like $4 back out. And he was like, "I'm Stephen. I only 4Xed my money." And I was like okay, "Okay, I get it." And it's still that kind of thing. But it's like the numbers are tiny. I was like, "How do I scale this thing up so that my show up rate's higher?" And he was like, "Yeah, my show up rate ..." He usually gets a 25% show up rate. And I was like, "I'm floating around anywhere from 7% down to ... up to 15%. It's still kind of low. You know?" So that's the number I'm working on. And so, all these little things that I've been doing to my webinar to get it to increase. Anyways, I was telling him about it. And I go, "Dude, I can't handle ... It's my sole income. You know what I mean?" I'm putting my money where my mouth is and this is my sole income. And we're doing totally fine, by the way. It made more money last month than I've had in my bank account ever. We're doing great but still, the consistency of it is part of the sexiness of it. You know what I mean? And so, I was like, "What's wrong? How can I react to what the market is telling me?" So I was telling him all this and was like, "Once per week is rough because I'm eating what I kill. You know?" And he goes, "Well, what if you just do it twice a week?" I was like, "Huh." Why have I never thought about that? So I was like, "Okay.' So I ... A few nights later, I was like, "Okay, I got to think through this model." How do I from a technical standpoint run this thing in a way so that when group one is going through my replay sequence, they're not also seeing the Facebook ads that I'm running for group two that week. Right? And so, I was sitting there and I don't know what it is about Dubstep guys but I was putting my headphones on and it always gets me in the creative zone just a little bit. I don't know. But maybe that weird but whatever. Different kinds of music do affect me differently and my creative zen, you know what I mean? So I was sitting there and actually I put my headphones on and I started just pacing around my office here. And this is how I solve problems. I don't know if anyone knows ... I've never really told you guys this. That is how I solve problems. And I solved ... What I will do, and one of the commonalities of people I see who don't solve problems in their life is they see that there's a problem and then rather than accept the fact that there's a problem and they don't know the answer, they just act like it's not there and move on and ... Or they'll say, "I can't move on because it's here." And they don't look to themselves and their own noggin to try and figure it out. I was listening to this really cool interview ... it wasn't an interview, it was a speech. I don't know who it was. It was some guy on the internet speaking in front of a ton of people. And he said some things that were really profound and he was going through some interesting numbers that they were finding. And what they figured out was that successful people will solve 80% of the problems the first time that they hear them. I think I was saying that right. Meaning they solve literally almost every single problem. They make a decision. Solve isn't the right word. They make a decision. There we go. That's what it was. They make a decision 80% of the time. Right? So something comes to them and they're like, "Hey I've got this thing. Go make a choice on it, Steven. Go make a choice." 80% of the time, they make a decision right then. And that's what he was teaching. He was trying to show, look, successful people don't take forever to make a decision. They just make a decision and they move forward. And they just get crap done and they know ... They make the decision as best they can with the information they have right there with the understanding that it could be wrong. But they're so good at making decisions on a fast basis that their chances of actually being successful are so much higher and it's one of the reasons they are successful is because they make decisions very, very quickly. And so, I had that in my mind and I was walking around. And I love getting into the zone, guys. It is one of my favorite things to do ever. I was going to go to sleep. It was late at night but for whatever reason ... It was late at night and I was in the zen state and the creativity ... I don't really control when those moments happen. I just follow them when they do. And so I stayed up. I had the music on. I was pacing around and I had this ... that kind of lesson in my head of hey look, I've got to make decisions 80% of the time the very first time I have to make ... that I need to be making it. I hope that makes sense what I'm saying with that. But when you have a decision to make, 80% of the time you should make a decision the very first time you hear about and you make it on the spot. And so anyways, I was pacing around and I was like, "Okay, this is ... gosh, how do I solve this? How do I solve this?" And what I do mentally, guys, is I try and look for, I think of them as threads. And I start looking around, I closed my eyes. And I usually start pacing around in my office kind of fast. And it gets a little bit detrimental sometimes with my eyes closed but I do. And I'll have music going and it's loud and I'm trying to find a thread. That's how I think of it. I'm looking for a thread. And I think of it like there's all these threads, these possible solutions to the thing I'm looking for. I don't really know what it is. And I don't really know that it's going to be the solution yet. But what I do is I start thinking through in my head ... I don't know if this is weird but this is how I think about it. This is what I do. And what I do those is I start thinking through all these threads and I grab a thread that's there that exists and I start following it. That's how I think of it. I think of it as I'm going hand over hand following this thread. And I don't know what's on the other end of it. I love those states because what always ends up happening is the first thing I have to do is I have to draw the end of the thread. And so, that's what I did is I came over and I was like, I think I know how to solve this problem. I think I know how to solve this problem. I don't know how it's totally done yet but I know enough that I could start drawing. And so, I go to my whiteboard. And that's always the next step that I always go through. I go to my whiteboard and I start drawing the end of the thread, whatever it is that I believe will lead to the solution. And it was a very interesting thing that happened. And I started drawing it. I started drawing it and I put the marker back down and I kind of paced around for a little while and I was like, okay, but what's the next step after that? What is it? What is it? And I started walking around and usually I'm pacing kind of quick. And funny enough, it wasn't the right solution but another one took its place and I followed that one and that's how I solved it... Here's what I was trying to figure out. And I hope that makes sense what I'm saying is like, I've seen that most entrepreneurs out there do this. Certainly, Russell does. Certainly most of the ultra-successful people that I've seen or been around or gotten to work with or just gleaned info from, most of them, they don't always know what the outcome's going to be, they just know that the beginning's real good and if they can sprint at it hard enough, make as many decisions on a fast basis as they can, usually it'll be shown to them the kind of thing they need to be doing. So here's what I was figuring out though. So Russell's like, "Hey, do two webinars a week." And I was like, "Well, what's better than two webinars a week? Three webinars a week." And I was like, Cool." So, I am doing starting this Tuesday, I'm doing my webinar live three times a week. Okay? It's very aggressive but there's a lot of reasons why I'm doing it that way. So I'm doing it literally Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. And what I've done is I figured out a model because usually the model that we teach at Click Funnels, that I teach Two Coaching and Secrets of Master Guide, even in Expert Secrets and all the different trainings. The webinars are in this one per week model where Monday through Thursday you're promoting, Thursday do the webinar, and Friday through Sunday you do your replay sequence. I was like, okay, but how do I squish into this thing three webinars a week without overlapping. And so what I did was I figured out how to do it. And I figured out this model. Which is super cool because it still feels like an isolated event to the people who in the middle of it. They don't know that there are these other webinars that are going on also. And what's cool about that is it lets me perfect the message at a faster pace, right? Brandon and Katelyn Pullman, I think they did their webinar thirty some times before they actually automated it. Russell did his 60 or 70 before he automated it, right? I'm trying to get to that number. I'm trying to get to those volumes of having done it so I know the script so well, so well. And I know what the issues are. I know that the good, the bad, the ugly. I know what's converting well. I know the stories that work well. I know the stories that are not good to tell. You know what I mean? I'm trying to figure out what that is but I'm trying to run at it because I feel like you can't skirt that process. You know what I mean? There's shortcuts. There certainly are shortcuts. There really are secrets. There really are hacks. But some stuff you just can't shortcut. And so rather than me trying to shortcut it and go straight to an automated webinar, I'm actually trying to just marry the process. I'm looking at it like a sport, okay? This is mat time. This is gym time. This is me just spending time in my craft. And so, that's what I've been doing. And I just figured out, I'm about to build it right now. I just figured out how to do the entire thing. And I was checking with my amazing ads lady and she's fantastic and she's like, "Yeah, that could totally work." And so, I will probably do some kind of training on it in the future here because it's super powerful. So as I was looking at it, it was like three times a week. I am zapped from a single webinar. The way I do them with such high energy. If you want to check it out guys I would love to have you one it. It's secretmlmhacks.com if you guys want to. But it's been really, really cool. And I convert really well on the webinar. And I get an amazing opt in rate. The one thing I'm tweaking right now, and I know exactly what I'm going to do. And I'll tell you guys about it in the future which probably means next week. Because I think I figured out how to solve my problem, my show up rate problem. And I got some just awesome stuff down that's coming. Oh my gosh. It's cutting edge. There's only two other people on earth that have what I'm about to go put out and I'm really excited about it. Anyway, it's super cutting edge but I'll tell you guys about it in the future. How's that for salting the oats, right? Anyway, so what I did though was I figured out how to do this and run this thing in a way. And I was like, three webinars in a week, we got Funnel Hacking Live coming up. I'm speaking at an event. There's 2,500 people at it. I'm super excited about it. I just got asked. It's going to be so cool. It's the beginning of March. I'm going to go to Grant Cardone's 10X event. Anyway, so there's life. What do I do when I can't do one of these webinars? Three a week? That's a lot... So what I did was I figured out that in those scenarios where I physically cannot do the webinar, I will automate it. And I will deliver an automated version of the webinar. And so what I've been doing and going through and figuring out is how in a single click to turn my entire funnel from a live webinar funnel into an automated funnel. So for that one time ... So Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, right? Let's say Thursday, I'm at an event and I can't do it. Well, for that group, that scenario, I will run an automated webinar with a single click and switch the entire funnel from an automated funnel ... from a live one to an automated one. And then in a click, turn it all back. That's what I figured out that night. Thank you Dubstep and pacing around and following threads in my noggin. That's what I figured out. And at some point, I'll probably do some cool trainings. I want to show you guys this stuff. It's really ninja. I don't think that there's a way you can sidestep having to do it live over and over and over again. I even asked Russell, I was like, "Dude, maybe I should just automate it." And he started laughing and he's like, "I'm not going to let you off the hook that easy dude. You keep doing it live." And I was like, "Gosh dang it. Just let me automate this thing." Oh man. Anyway, I've been pumped about it and I'm trying to marry the process and keep to what works. You know what I mean? When I was in basic training, I shot really, really well with my M16, a shot expert. I shot so well that it was only me and another guy out of 200 that actually won a phone call home which was awesome. And what I was doing though is I was marrying the process. And they would teach us ... There's a lot to shooting, by the way. And I love it. Shooting's tons of fun. And so, there's all these different things they teach us. And one of the things they'd have us do is they'd have us lay down, obviously on the prone, but on concrete. And we'd lay in the prone and hold our M16 and then we'd just start smacking our elbows on the ground. And the reason why is it would toughen the elbows and we could hold steadier for a long time. We'd literally be trying to bruise our elbows. And we'd take our elbows and we'd just start smacking them on the floor. Sounds kind of crazy but it worked... So I would be in the barracks when everyone's hanging out and I'd be in the prone smacking my elbows on the ground. I'd be putting canteens on the very end of my barrel, full ones, and try to hold it as steady as possible for 30 minutes. We'd put dimes on the end of the barrel and hold it as steady as possible and do an entire cycle meaning I would charge the weapon, fire it, and try and hold the dime at the very end of the barrel and keep it that steady so it wouldn't fall off during the entire cycle. And so, my body moves. I charge the weapon ... I put a round it. Nothing in, a blank or whatever, and I'd fire and then try and not have that dime fall off. And I married the process, guys. There's no short cutting certain things in this business, in this life. And rather than trying to fight it, marry it. And you stay the course and that's what I'm ... And I always talk about that. I do it too. I'm still reminding myself, okay, don't seek a shortcut, Stephen, just seek to be the best in this process. And so I'm trying to do that. That's, as far as documenting the journey, that's what I'm doing right now... So anyway, been a ton of fun and that's what I'm doing. So, I am literally right now I'm about to go and build an automated version of the webinar for those scenarios when I can't do it the third time that week. You know what I mean? But I'll flip it right back out. I don't want to ... I'm not ready to automate the thing yet. I don't want to yet. I'm not quite dreaming about the slides yet. When I start dreaming about it, that's when I know that it's really a part of my subconscious but I'm not doing it. It sounds stupid but it's true. Okay? I've had dreams in the editor. I've built whole funnels in my sleep. And brainstormed headlines, okay? There's a level of obsession that you've got to have with this stuff and so anyways. All righty. So, that's been it and that's what I'm excited about. And that's what I'm literally about to go do right now. So I'm going to shut this thing off and got ClickFunnels up right here, got my two monitors. And I'm looking at my little map that I drew that night. And sometime, I'll make a cool map out of it and I'll probably do some training on it and toss that out there. But anyway, it's been a lot of fun. It's been ... I'm just trying to show you guys the process. Like okay, when the funnel does well, and it did well for a while, but there's either ad fatigue going on which I don't think that's what it is at all. There's this or that but as I look at the numbers, the numbers are telling me a story. And the story is you've got to talk ... You've got to increase your show up rate. So I'm just ... I know what that plan is. I'll tell you guys what it is in a little bit here. I think it's going to work really, really well. I'll tell you about it in a little bit. But the second thing I'm doing is just increasing the frequency. So just increasing the show up rate, increasing the frequency of me actually doing the webinar. And I think that's the next step so that's where I'm following it. And that's where that thread goes. Anyway guys, thank so much, appreciate it. And thanks for being a listener. It means a lot. We just barely passed 100,000 downloads with this thing as you guys know and I'm pumped. Thanks guys. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best sales funnel for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your prebuilt sales funnel today.

Russell’s rant about what’s keeping people from success. On this episode Russell rants about the difference between daycare, college and coaching and why to be successful you need coaching. But to be a champion you have to put in the extra work because coaches can only take you so far. Here are some interesting things in this episode: Why you need to listen to your coaches to be successful, otherwise you might as well go to daycare or college. And why putting in extra work after the coaching is what will make you a champion. Listen here to find out why you need to move on from daycare, and college and jump into coaching and then put in even more effort to become a champion. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson and this is an emergency impromptu podcast with angry Steven behind me. So I have to do this right now. The Software Secrets webinar is starting in less than an hour and I should be doing slides, but something just made me angry so I wanted to jump on. And you’re kind of angry too. Steven: It actually kind of pisses me off. It’s a recurring thing. Russell: Alright so, this is a coaching call for everybody, and owe, we’re going to queue the Marketing Secrets intro and then we’ll come back to what we’ve gotta do. Alright welcome back, so now that we’re still angry, hopefully the intro got you pumped, I want to talk to you guys about the difference between coaching, college, and a daycare. This is very important for you to understand because some of you guys for some reason think that we run a daycare here and we don’t. So right here actually, if you’re watching the video version, if you look out the window here, this is our office, Clickfunnels right there, there’s the daycare. So it’s right next store. There’s a little playground right there, you guys can see it. That’s the daycare. Steven: And they cry and they scream and they’re whiny. Russell: So the daycare, it’s really cool. The way it works is you show up there and then someone takes care of you the entire day. Like when you’re hungry, they give you food. When you’re thirsty they give you water. When you poop yourself, they wipe your butt. It’s really, really nice. It’s like what? $50 a month, $100? I don’t know how much it is. But that’s a daycare , that’s how daycare’s work. So that’s one option of how you can get better at life, you can go to a daycare. Option number two, you go to school. Now, the thing about school is it costs a bunch of money. They don’t care about you at all. You show up and then you do your assignments or you don’t, they don’t really care and they give you an A, B, C, D or F. or if you’re in England I also found out they have an E. We don’t E’s in America, but apparently in England there’s E’s. But A, B, C, D, or F and then as long as you get a C, they don’t, C’s good enough and you get a degree. In fact, my motto in college was C’s get degrees. That’s how I passed school. As long as I got a C I could wrestle. So I literally had a 2.1 GPA, I had complete C’s all the way through, except for I got a B in, I think it was something….It was like semester one of year one. So it was a long time ago, I don’t even remember what it was. But I got C’s, I got a degree and yay! I got a degree, whooo. And I leave with a piece of paper that’s completely useless. So we got daycare, we got school and then the third option now, is coaching. So how does coaching work? I’m a wrestler and every single day I show up to wrestling practice, my coach was there. My coach was really good. He knew what he was doing. And I show up and all the other wrestlers would show up and we’d sit and watch the coach and he’d teach us moves and we’re like, “Oh, cool. That’s a good move.” And guess what? Some of the kids would watch the coach and they’d try the move and they didn’t do it right and they just sat there on their butts and did nothing. And then guess what? They sucked at wrestling. And the coach didn’t give them a B, or a C, or an A and it didn’t matter because they were going to put them out on the mat and they were going to get the crap kicked out of them in front of everybody. That was the reality. You don’t get an A, B or C, it’s like okay you’re about to go fight someone. This is your preparation, if you want to just crap it away, congratulations, you did that. And you’re going to get beat up in front of everybody. Then there are people like me, I listen to coaches, I watch, I train, I ask them questions, I keep doing it, I train, I practice. When he would leave my dad would come over, my dad’s out there. When he would leave, then we’d go out to the house eat dinner and my friends would come to my house and we had a wrestling mat on my back porch, we’d wrestle on the back porch and guess what? I became a state champ, I became an all American, I got a college scholarship, because I did more. My dad used to always tell me, “ A coach can take somebody to this level. And a coach has got a whole bunch of people he’s coaching. That entire wrestling room is all there and everyone’s getting there and the coach can get everybody to this level right here. The difference between someone who’s going to be a coach, and someone’s who’s going to be a champion, is after the coach gets you here, it’s that extra effort. That’s what makes you a champion.” So what’s cool about marketing and sales, first off, we’re not a daycare. I’m not going to wipe your butt. I don’t freaking care if you succeed or not. That’s not on top of me. Number two, this is not college, I’m not going to be like “Congratulations, here’s a C you can go get a degree.” Because guess what? You’ve gotta go out there on your webinar or with your pride, and you gotta step out there in front of everybody and you’re getting the crap kicked out of you and if you’re getting a C, you’re going to get destroyed. I’m not giving out C’s. It’s not a college, or university. I actually care about your success. So what we’re going to go is we’re going to have a coaching program, but we run the coaching program just like wrestling. We’re coaching a whole bunch of people the best that we know how. We know what works, but guess what? Everyone sitting in the room is hearing the exact same thing. And the difference between a champion and someone who is average is who’s going to take that extra effort. Who’s going to ask the coach other questions? Who’s going to follow up? Who’s going to practice? Who’s going to get better? Who’s going to do stuff on their own? Who’s going to go home at night, after they eat dinner, for the third practice of the day because they want to be a winner? Those are the people who win and those are the people we coach. So right now you’re in a coaching program. So any of you guys who are in our coaching program, this is specifically towards one person who I’m yelling at, but this is an important lesson for everyone. First off, we’re not a daycare. If you want someone to wipe your butt, it’s like $100 across the street from Clickfunnels. Across, it’s not even the street, it’s like over the fence right there. They will wipe your butt and you’ll feel really good, because you gotta clean butt. Number two, you can go to college. Boise State’s like, I don’t know, 4 or 5 miles down the road. They’ll give you C’s and you’ll feel really good. You can put it on your wall and be like, “I got a degree.” And you’re so awesome, but you’re going to go out in the real world and get the crap kicked out of you. Or number three, you can become a champion. Show up every single day, work your butt off, work hard, and then go out and do the extra effort you need to do to be successful. The last two nights in a row, guess how late I was here at the freaking office working on my slides? 2:00 both nights in a row. “But Russell, you’re super successful, why are you still working hard?” Because champions go the extra effort. I could have gone home. I could’ve not done this. I could’ve just slept. And we got people who are like, “Oh Russell, I worked really hard. I was up til like 8 last night.” Dude, you guys aren’t even there yet. You shouldn’t be going to bed until at least 2 or 3 or 4 in the morning til you freaking get this thing figured out. If you want to be a champion, the coaches can get you to this level. My coaching, Steven’s coaching, what we are doing, we will get you to this level but that’s the level everyone’s at. And guess what? If you’re at that level that everyone’s at you’re not going to be successful. Champions go the extra effort. Champions do a practice afterwards. Champions go home and do another practice. Champions are thinking about it, dreaming about it, working on it, trying to perfect the art so they can become a champion. If you want to be successful in business you’ve got to do that because this is not something where we’re going to give you a C and now you’re going to make money. It doesn’t work that way. You’re going to go out there into the real world, into the marketplace, the marketplace is going to kick the crap out of you if you haven’t been prepared. If you show up and you’re like, “Hey marketplace, I did my first webinar and nobody showed up.” It’s because your stuff’s boring because you just did the baseline and you quit. “I did the webinar, 5 people showed up and nobody bought.” First off, it’s because you did the baseline. If you want to be a champion you have to put in the extra effort from here to here. That is the extra effort you have to be to be a champ. So to recap today. Number one if you want your butt wiped, go sign up for the daycare, it’s really cheap. And they’ll wipe your butt and it’ll feel so good. Number two, if you want to feel good about yourself, feel happy, and like kumbaya and all that crap, go to school, they’ll give you a degree. C’s get degrees, but they will not make you any money. And number three, if you want to be coached, be coachable. Come to the coaching program, listen to what they say and then do it. Don’t complain, “I can’t figure out….” Dude, there’s a thing called Google. There’s an answer to everything, you have to go that extra effort. You have to freaking do it. And you have to do it and you have to do it and you have to do it and you’re going to get beat up a lot during this practice period of time, but guess what? If you do that and get beat up, that’s how when you step out on the real mat against really good people, that’s how you win and we’re creating winners here and that’s what we want. So if you’re wondering, man this stuff doesn’t work for me….actually for those who are watching the video, I’m going to show you this stuff works really good. I’m going to show you, come down the hall. This is how well it works. For those champions, those who take the extra effort there, from here to here, we have them immortalized on our wall. There’s a lot of them. All of these guys here, the Two Comma Club award. All these people, these are the champions. They didn’t just go through the coaching program and stop, “Steven wasn’t as clear on how to do…” They freaking Googled it and they asked other questions. They asked the community, and they worked hard, and they tried, and they tested, and they figured things out, and they were rewarded with a gold platinum record here, with two commas. There’s tons of them, boom. I was showing Instagram last night, if you guys haven’t seen this yet. This month alone, the first guy came in….we filled this wall completely up, and right now if you look at this there’s 15 new one’s that came in. Steven: It’s like 4 or 5 a week. Russell: 15 that came in this month so far, but check this out. I came in last night and look at this, we have a whole other stack. Another 11 more. 11 +15 is 26. So we had 26 people join the Two Comma Club in the last 30 days. So what does that mean for you guys. One millionaire a day’s being made, so if you aren’t hitting it, you’re just stopping right here. You’re not doing that last little bit from there to there that is important to do. So there you go. Steven: You gotta understand that Russell and I don’t hold the key to your success. That’s not at all how this works. It’s funny to watch different people who come in and do different coaching and stuff. It’s always easy to see, that extra little bit, that’s what keeps going. If you’re looking for external things to motivate you, it’s the wrong question already. No one needs to motivate you to do your thing. No one cares about your thing as much as you do. So you gotta be the one who’s all fiery and out there doing the thing, being a pioneer to some extent for your own success with it. Because honestly, you’re the only one who’s going to care enough to do it. So Russell shows the framework, we’ll show how to do it, we’ll help you do things along the way as you get stuck, or whatever it is, but it’s totally up to you. You’re success, everything is gonna be riding on your back. Russell: 100% If you don’t really want success, you just want someone to wipe your butt, go to daycare. If you don’t want success, you just want to feel good and get a degree on the wall, go to freaking college. If you want to make money, change your life, be successful, get a coach. If it’s not me, get someone else. Get a coach, freaking do everything they say, and then stop and do more. That’s it. Champions…..My dad used to tell me this all the time, “Coach only takes you to this level. Champions are made right there.” Alright, it ran over. I gotta get back to slides. Alright you guys, appreciate you all. Thanks so much. I know I’m preaching to the choir for a lot of you guys, but for the other ones, if that stung a little bit, I’m talking to you. So thanks you guys, talk to you soon. Bye.

Russell’s rant about what’s keeping people from success. On this episode Russell rants about the difference between daycare, college and coaching and why to be successful you need coaching. But to be a champion you have to put in the extra work because coaches can only take you so far. Here are some interesting things in this episode: Why you need to listen to your coaches to be successful, otherwise you might as well go to daycare or college. And why putting in extra work after the coaching is what will make you a champion. Listen here to find out why you need to move on from daycare, and college and jump into coaching and then put in even more effort to become a champion. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson and this is an emergency impromptu podcast with angry Steven behind me. So I have to do this right now. The Software Secrets webinar is starting in less than an hour and I should be doing slides, but something just made me angry so I wanted to jump on. And you’re kind of angry too. Steven: It actually kind of pisses me off. It’s a recurring thing. Russell: Alright so, this is a coaching call for everybody, and owe, we’re going to queue the Marketing Secrets intro and then we’ll come back to what we’ve gotta do. Alright welcome back, so now that we’re still angry, hopefully the intro got you pumped, I want to talk to you guys about the difference between coaching, college, and a daycare. This is very important for you to understand because some of you guys for some reason think that we run a daycare here and we don’t. So right here actually, if you’re watching the video version, if you look out the window here, this is our office, Clickfunnels right there, there’s the daycare. So it’s right next store. There’s a little playground right there, you guys can see it. That’s the daycare. Steven: And they cry and they scream and they’re whiny. Russell: So the daycare, it’s really cool. The way it works is you show up there and then someone takes care of you the entire day. Like when you’re hungry, they give you food. When you’re thirsty they give you water. When you poop yourself, they wipe your butt. It’s really, really nice. It’s like what? $50 a month, $100? I don’t know how much it is. But that’s a daycare , that’s how daycare’s work. So that’s one option of how you can get better at life, you can go to a daycare. Option number two, you go to school. Now, the thing about school is it costs a bunch of money. They don’t care about you at all. You show up and then you do your assignments or you don’t, they don’t really care and they give you an A, B, C, D or F. or if you’re in England I also found out they have an E. We don’t E’s in America, but apparently in England there’s E’s. But A, B, C, D, or F and then as long as you get a C, they don’t, C’s good enough and you get a degree. In fact, my motto in college was C’s get degrees. That’s how I passed school. As long as I got a C I could wrestle. So I literally had a 2.1 GPA, I had complete C’s all the way through, except for I got a B in, I think it was something….It was like semester one of year one. So it was a long time ago, I don’t even remember what it was. But I got C’s, I got a degree and yay! I got a degree, whooo. And I leave with a piece of paper that’s completely useless. So we got daycare, we got school and then the third option now, is coaching. So how does coaching work? I’m a wrestler and every single day I show up to wrestling practice, my coach was there. My coach was really good. He knew what he was doing. And I show up and all the other wrestlers would show up and we’d sit and watch the coach and he’d teach us moves and we’re like, “Oh, cool. That’s a good move.” And guess what? Some of the kids would watch the coach and they’d try the move and they didn’t do it right and they just sat there on their butts and did nothing. And then guess what? They sucked at wrestling. And the coach didn’t give them a B, or a C, or an A and it didn’t matter because they were going to put them out on the mat and they were going to get the crap kicked out of them in front of everybody. That was the reality. You don’t get an A, B or C, it’s like okay you’re about to go fight someone. This is your preparation, if you want to just crap it away, congratulations, you did that. And you’re going to get beat up in front of everybody. Then there are people like me, I listen to coaches, I watch, I train, I ask them questions, I keep doing it, I train, I practice. When he would leave my dad would come over, my dad’s out there. When he would leave, then we’d go out to the house eat dinner and my friends would come to my house and we had a wrestling mat on my back porch, we’d wrestle on the back porch and guess what? I became a state champ, I became an all American, I got a college scholarship, because I did more. My dad used to always tell me, “ A coach can take somebody to this level. And a coach has got a whole bunch of people he’s coaching. That entire wrestling room is all there and everyone’s getting there and the coach can get everybody to this level right here. The difference between someone who’s going to be a coach, and someone’s who’s going to be a champion, is after the coach gets you here, it’s that extra effort. That’s what makes you a champion.” So what’s cool about marketing and sales, first off, we’re not a daycare. I’m not going to wipe your butt. I don’t freaking care if you succeed or not. That’s not on top of me. Number two, this is not college, I’m not going to be like “Congratulations, here’s a C you can go get a degree.” Because guess what? You’ve gotta go out there on your webinar or with your pride, and you gotta step out there in front of everybody and you’re getting the crap kicked out of you and if you’re getting a C, you’re going to get destroyed. I’m not giving out C’s. It’s not a college, or university. I actually care about your success. So what we’re going to go is we’re going to have a coaching program, but we run the coaching program just like wrestling. We’re coaching a whole bunch of people the best that we know how. We know what works, but guess what? Everyone sitting in the room is hearing the exact same thing. And the difference between a champion and someone who is average is who’s going to take that extra effort. Who’s going to ask the coach other questions? Who’s going to follow up? Who’s going to practice? Who’s going to get better? Who’s going to do stuff on their own? Who’s going to go home at night, after they eat dinner, for the third practice of the day because they want to be a winner? Those are the people who win and those are the people we coach. So right now you’re in a coaching program. So any of you guys who are in our coaching program, this is specifically towards one person who I’m yelling at, but this is an important lesson for everyone. First off, we’re not a daycare. If you want someone to wipe your butt, it’s like $100 across the street from Clickfunnels. Across, it’s not even the street, it’s like over the fence right there. They will wipe your butt and you’ll feel really good, because you gotta clean butt. Number two, you can go to college. Boise State’s like, I don’t know, 4 or 5 miles down the road. They’ll give you C’s and you’ll feel really good. You can put it on your wall and be like, “I got a degree.” And you’re so awesome, but you’re going to go out in the real world and get the crap kicked out of you. Or number three, you can become a champion. Show up every single day, work your butt off, work hard, and then go out and do the extra effort you need to do to be successful. The last two nights in a row, guess how late I was here at the freaking office working on my slides? 2:00 both nights in a row. “But Russell, you’re super successful, why are you still working hard?” Because champions go the extra effort. I could have gone home. I could’ve not done this. I could’ve just slept. And we got people who are like, “Oh Russell, I worked really hard. I was up til like 8 last night.” Dude, you guys aren’t even there yet. You shouldn’t be going to bed until at least 2 or 3 or 4 in the morning til you freaking get this thing figured out. If you want to be a champion, the coaches can get you to this level. My coaching, Steven’s coaching, what we are doing, we will get you to this level but that’s the level everyone’s at. And guess what? If you’re at that level that everyone’s at you’re not going to be successful. Champions go the extra effort. Champions do a practice afterwards. Champions go home and do another practice. Champions are thinking about it, dreaming about it, working on it, trying to perfect the art so they can become a champion. If you want to be successful in business you’ve got to do that because this is not something where we’re going to give you a C and now you’re going to make money. It doesn’t work that way. You’re going to go out there into the real world, into the marketplace, the marketplace is going to kick the crap out of you if you haven’t been prepared. If you show up and you’re like, “Hey marketplace, I did my first webinar and nobody showed up.” It’s because your stuff’s boring because you just did the baseline and you quit. “I did the webinar, 5 people showed up and nobody bought.” First off, it’s because you did the baseline. If you want to be a champion you have to put in the extra effort from here to here. That is the extra effort you have to be to be a champ. So to recap today. Number one if you want your butt wiped, go sign up for the daycare, it’s really cheap. And they’ll wipe your butt and it’ll feel so good. Number two, if you want to feel good about yourself, feel happy, and like kumbaya and all that crap, go to school, they’ll give you a degree. C’s get degrees, but they will not make you any money. And number three, if you want to be coached, be coachable. Come to the coaching program, listen to what they say and then do it. Don’t complain, “I can’t figure out….” Dude, there’s a thing called Google. There’s an answer to everything, you have to go that extra effort. You have to freaking do it. And you have to do it and you have to do it and you have to do it and you’re going to get beat up a lot during this practice period of time, but guess what? If you do that and get beat up, that’s how when you step out on the real mat against really good people, that’s how you win and we’re creating winners here and that’s what we want. So if you’re wondering, man this stuff doesn’t work for me….actually for those who are watching the video, I’m going to show you this stuff works really good. I’m going to show you, come down the hall. This is how well it works. For those champions, those who take the extra effort there, from here to here, we have them immortalized on our wall. There’s a lot of them. All of these guys here, the Two Comma Club award. All these people, these are the champions. They didn’t just go through the coaching program and stop, “Steven wasn’t as clear on how to do…” They freaking Googled it and they asked other questions. They asked the community, and they worked hard, and they tried, and they tested, and they figured things out, and they were rewarded with a gold platinum record here, with two commas. There’s tons of them, boom. I was showing Instagram last night, if you guys haven’t seen this yet. This month alone, the first guy came in….we filled this wall completely up, and right now if you look at this there’s 15 new one’s that came in. Steven: It’s like 4 or 5 a week. Russell: 15 that came in this month so far, but check this out. I came in last night and look at this, we have a whole other stack. Another 11 more. 11 +15 is 26. So we had 26 people join the Two Comma Club in the last 30 days. So what does that mean for you guys. One millionaire a day’s being made, so if you aren’t hitting it, you’re just stopping right here. You’re not doing that last little bit from there to there that is important to do. So there you go. Steven: You gotta understand that Russell and I don’t hold the key to your success. That’s not at all how this works. It’s funny to watch different people who come in and do different coaching and stuff. It’s always easy to see, that extra little bit, that’s what keeps going. If you’re looking for external things to motivate you, it’s the wrong question already. No one needs to motivate you to do your thing. No one cares about your thing as much as you do. So you gotta be the one who’s all fiery and out there doing the thing, being a pioneer to some extent for your own success with it. Because honestly, you’re the only one who’s going to care enough to do it. So Russell shows the framework, we’ll show how to do it, we’ll help you do things along the way as you get stuck, or whatever it is, but it’s totally up to you. You’re success, everything is gonna be riding on your back. Russell: 100% If you don’t really want success, you just want someone to wipe your butt, go to daycare. If you don’t want success, you just want to feel good and get a degree on the wall, go to freaking college. If you want to make money, change your life, be successful, get a coach. If it’s not me, get someone else. Get a coach, freaking do everything they say, and then stop and do more. That’s it. Champions…..My dad used to tell me this all the time, “Coach only takes you to this level. Champions are made right there.” Alright, it ran over. I gotta get back to slides. Alright you guys, appreciate you all. Thanks so much. I know I’m preaching to the choir for a lot of you guys, but for the other ones, if that stung a little bit, I’m talking to you. So thanks you guys, talk to you soon. Bye.

My live presentation from the viral video launch party. On this episode Russell gives a presentation at the viral video launch of how Clickfunnels went from $0 to $100,000,000 using growth hacking and sales funnels. Here are some of the awesome things in this episode: Step by step how Russell was able to grow his business without you outside funds. How he was basically paid to introduce people into the Clickfunnels world. And why funnels are the key to growing your own business without having to take money from venture capitalists. So listen here to hear this awesome presentation that can teach you how to grow your business using sales funnels. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I am still planning on giving you guys a huge recap of the viral video event, bubble soccer, everything else that went down at the event, because some crazy stuff happened. I’m also trying to get permission from Gary V to let me share some of his presentation with you guys here. So that’s the game plan. If I’m able to do that, you’ll see it soon. And you’ll see my recap soon as well. But this week I’ve got my inner circle here, so I am in there locked away. So what I did want to do is I got the video clip from my presentation at the event about how to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in sales, how we did that by using sales funnels and growth hacking. And it was a shorter presentation, but I think it was really, really cool. I’m sure I talked really, really fast. I was also really tired, I’d only slept one hour the night before. So if it doesn’t make any sense, that’s kind of the context of why. But hopefully it will give you guys some ideas about how to scale a company. You hear me talk about the Dotcom Secrets book a lot. Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins, and sometimes when you hear that it’s depressing if you don’t have a lot of money, so I’m not going to win. And that’s how I felt, especially when we launched Clickfunnels and we’re competing against two companies, one that had 40 million dollars in funding and one that had over 100 million. How do you do that? And this presentation shows you how we did it. So after we do a little Marketing Secrets intro here, I’m going pick right up with my presentation from the event, I hope you love it. Thanks so much and we’ll talk to you guys soon. I put together this presentation because like I said, the biggest question I get, especially from people who are building their own companies is “how in the world have you grown Clickfunnels so fast without having any money, any capitol, any outside funding at all?” So I put together this presentation this morning. Like I said, I had one hour of sleep last night, then I got up and started working on this presentation. But to kind of walk you through what we did and some of the mind shifts that I think are different that will hopefully help you guys as you’re growing and scaling everything you are doing. So the title of my presentation is how do we use growth hacking and sales funnels to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in less than three years, we’re a week away, without taking any outside funding. So the first thing I want to go over really quickly, for those that didn’t know what I was talking about earlier, I’m going to go over what a funnel is really quick. So what is a funnel? If you look at, actually let me step back. The reason why I want to talk about this is it’s been interesting, I’ve been doing this internet marketing game for 15 years now. This is my 15th year in the business selling all sorts of stuff, and it’s interesting because recently there’s been a whole bunch of books coming out on growth hacking, all these cool new ways to growth hack. And it’s funny because we get the growth hacking books and read them, it’s like, that’s all the internet marketing stuff we’ve been doing for the last decade. And now it’s like, real businesses are catching on, figuring out these things that are really, really cool. So that’s kind of why, my thoughts on this presentation. Showing all these funnel things, this is the growth hacking, this is the movement, this is where things are going that we keep talking about. So what’s a funnel? To explain a funnel, I think the easiest way to begin, is to show what a funnel is not. So this is a traditional style website. This is what Clickfunnels is kind of going against all the time. Most people have traditional websites, they have all sorts of ads. They’re paying for Facebook, Youtube, Google, all these things and they’re driving it into these websites, and it’s literally slamming a whole bunch of people into a brick wall. I know that because this is how I got started. I was trying that thing and it did not work. I always say that a traditional website is kind of like having a really bad sales person who is shy and all they do is hand out brochures, and then pray the person comes back. That’s a traditional website. What a funnel is, is basically having the best salesperson on planet earth, come and meet the person at the front door, find out their name and walk them through the process. Find out what they want, how they want it and giving them exactly what they want. So that’s kind of what a sales funnel is. My whole philosophy in business kind of, like I told you guys in the last presentation, when we started Clickfunnels three years ago, we had two major competitors that we were looking at. Number one had just gotten 43 million dollars in funding and number two had just had over 100 million dollars in funding. I’m coming in with me and Todd and we’re bank rolling it with our big old credit cards and we’re like, “Okay, we’re going against these huge giants that have hundreds of millions of dollars, how are we going to win?” One of my first mentors, Dan Kennedy, he used to say this all the time. “Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins.” So I’m looking at these companies who have hundreds of millions of dollars in funding and I’m like, I’m screwed. I’m not going to be able to win. These guys could out spend me every single day. And I started looking at this more and more and I didn’t get it at first. It took me a couple of years before I understood this concept of whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins. Like I told you before, I went to college here at Boise State, I wrestled here and I used to carry my buddies on back up and down the football stadium, every single day before practice, this is my hometown. Here in Boise, one thing we’re famous for, those who are not from Idaho, we’re famous for potatoes and the very first product I ever put together was a DVD teaching people how make potato guns. You probably heard me tell this story before, but it was a DVD how to make potato guns. I set it up online, I was learning about internet marketing, it was really simple. I had a one page website, I had Google ads. That’s all that we did back in the day. So I went to Google, started buying ads, I was spending about $10 a day on Google ads, and I was selling a $37 DVD on how to make potato guns. So I spent $10 a day on ads and I usually averaged about one sale per day. So Russell as a college kid was making a whopping $27 per day profit, I was putting into my pocket, which was pretty awesome. And that was kind of my beginning. And then what happened, a little while into this whole game, Google shifted how everything worked and I got in big, big trouble and literally overnight, my website was the same but I went from spending $10 a day in ads to spending $50 a day, overnight. So I was spending $50 a day and sending it to the exact same website, but I was only making one sale. Same thing. So I was losing $13 a day. And my beautiful wife, after about 3 or 4 days of that said, “You have to stop. This is not a good business. This is really, really bad.” So we stopped and eventually had to cut up our credit cards and I thought I’d missed the bubble. I’m like dang it, we missed it. And those are actual pictures of us cutting up our credit cards, back in our first home. About that time I had a friend who was also in the business and he came back and said, “Russell, I think I’ve figured this out. My little website..” He had the same problem. Google raised their prices, algorithms changed, and a bunch of my friends got out of the business. One of my friends came back and he’s like, “I figured it out. I started adding in these things.” He called them OTO’s which stands for one time offer, or basically an upsell. He says, ”I’m charging upsells to my products and I start making more money from every customer, and now I’m able to afford my ads again. I turned my ads back on.”  I was like, “That’s cool, but I don’t know how…How can I do that? I don’t know how to do that.” I was like, “I have a potato gun DVD. What should I do?” and he’s like, “Well, people who buy potato gun DVD’s, what else do they need? How else can you serve them?” And I was like, “Well, we could buy them, the next piece is they have to buy a potato gun kit, so they’d have to buy pipes and a BBQ igniter, all these other pieces.” And he’s like, “Well you should sell a kit.” I’m like, “Well I don’t want to make kits. That would be really not cool.” And he’s like, “See if you can find someone.” So I ended up finding a guy in Northern Idaho who actually was drop shipping potato gun kits, did a partnership with him and I made my very first funnel. This is my funnel transition. So people who buy my DVD, I’d upsell a $200 potato gun kit and we’d send it out in the mail. So what’s cool is I’d turned the Google ads on back in the day, and what happened is I was still spending about $50 a day, but then one out of three people would start buying the potato gun kit. So we did the math on that, one out of three people, means I was averaging about $60 in additional sales with every DVD that I got, that I sold. Which means I was spending about $50 a day on ads, and now I was making $102 in ads, and all the sudden it worked again. That was magic. Literally when I made that shift I went from losing money to making $52 a day in profit. I was like, this is it. Biggest thing in the world. For me obviously, potato guns is a very small market and I didn’t stay there long, but the concept of that rang through my head, I was like this is how it works. And my moral that I learned from this whole experience was that funnels make me money, websites make me broke. So my obsession for the last decade of my life has been this. A lot of you guys have been to my events for the last decade, teaching this concept. Showing you guys, this is the key. So when I started doing this and realizing it, that message I had heard from my mentor kept coming back to my head saying, “Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins.” That was the key. Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins. So as we came into this game of Clickfunnels and looking at people with hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital behind them, I’m like how in the world can we compete with that? I was like, I can’t do it. Head for head they can all outspend me, but if I can build a funnel that’s right, I can change everything. If you look at the reason why we have grown as fast as we have, is because we can literally outspend everyone. We get probably three or four times a week, different people trying to put money into CLickfunnels, and most of these we tell them no, but a couple we’ve entertained because it’s interesting and we’re curious what they think we’re worth, it’s really fun. So we were at lunch this day with this group and I’m talking to the guy and he’s going over everything, and he asks the question they always ask on Shark Tank, “How much does it cost to acquire a customer?” And I hate when people ask this question because he’s not going to get what I’m going to tell him. I was like, “Well we’re running Facebook ads, for the home page, we’re spending about $120 to acquire a free trial member.” And he was like, “Oh that’s amazing, based on that, what I can do is go and put in $50 million in cash and we get this many customers…” and all this stuff and I was like, “Well, well, real quick. We actually turned those ads off.” And he’s like, “You turned those ads off.” And I’m like, “Yeah. I gotta pay for this out of my own pocket. I don’t want to lose $120 every customer.” And he’s like, “Well how are you guys growing fast?” and I said, “ The reason why is because we have funnels.” And I explained to him some of my front end funnels, like my book funnels, some other funnels. I said, “Look, for every single person that comes to one of my funnels, if they buy one of my books, we spend on average about $10-12 on a Facebook ads, or other ad platforms to sell a book, but then through that funnel we average about $32. What happens is we spend $12 and get someone to buy one of our books, we make net, $20 of cash in our pocket, and then we introduce them to Clickfunnels. So every single customer, before we tell them about Clickfunnels, they actually pay us money and we put that money in our pocket.” He’s like, “That doesn’t make any sense.” And I explained it again. And he said, “That doesn’t make sense.” And I explained it three or four times and he stopped and said, “If what you’re saying is true, that will change business forever.” I was like, “That’s my whole message. That’s what we do. That’s what funnels are all about.” So I want to walk you guys really quick through this and then we’re going to have Gary come up here in a minute. But one of the key concepts you guys need to understand, and this a concept we call a break even funnel. Those of my inner circle members who are here, we spent a lot of time on this, but the break even funnel is a funnel where you break even, so you can literally get customers for free. When you have that, you can grow your company as quick, as big, as fast as you want. So we spend a lot of time on that. So this is a break even funnel, where I put a dollar in advertizing in and get at least a dollar back out, and if I’m good at it, I can get two or three dollars back out. Now I’ve got a customer, I’ve got some cash, now we can put them into the other things that we have. A couple of examples of some of our break even funnels, I grabbed these from some slides this morning to show you some examples. This is my Dotcom Secrets book, this is a couple of months ago stats. We got about 5400 leads, we sold 23,095 books, our average cart value during that time was $30.81, so we spent $45,000 in ads, we made $52,000 in sales so our profit was $7,763. Most people would look at a company our size and be like, that is a waste. You just wasted a lot of….you just made $7 grand, that’s not a big deal. But that was to get customers. We got 5400 people that then, the next week we would say, “hey, by the way, there’s this really cool thing called Clickfunnels.” And I got paid $7,000 to get those 5400 people onto my list. That was one of our front end products. This is a split-testing book, same kind of thing. We had 2,000 leads come in last month, 1300 book sold, average cart value was $12. Ads we spent $4000, sales was $18,000, so we made $13,000 but now we got 2000 people that we can introduce to Clickfunnels. So we got paid to get all these customers. One more example is Perfect Webinar, same kind of thing. Leads, sales, I’ll go through this quickly. We made $4000 and got 1600 customers we introduced into Clickfunnels. Now if you walk through those three funnels alone, and we have about a dozen or so front end funnels that we use in different platforms and things, last month from this, basically our front end revenue was $96.000, our ad costs were $81,000, so we netted a whopping $14,000. Most people would be like, “Man Russell, with a company with 120 employees, you’re going to go broke fast.” But what’s amazing about that, is that it brought in literally 30 or 40,000 new people into our world, who then we took them through the rest of our sequence. They’re introduced to us, now we can go and build a relationship with them, talk to them, serve them, help them understand what we do, what we believe, and introduce them to our other products and services. And for us, obviously that is Clickfunnels. So if you look at that, what it means for us, is we literally get almost a thousand trials for free every single day, like clockwork. That comes back to what we talked about before. That’s how we’re able to grow so fast. We can literally outspend everybody in our market. There’s nobody else that can do that. And what’s cool for you guys, whatever business you’re in, that’s the key. Remember whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins, and when you figure that out, it makes it so you can grow really, really quickly. Any kind of business, any kind of venture, anything that you want to do. So that, you guys, is how we use growth hacking and sales funnels to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in just three years without taking on any outside funding. Thank you.

My live presentation from the viral video launch party. On this episode Russell gives a presentation at the viral video launch of how Clickfunnels went from $0 to $100,000,000 using growth hacking and sales funnels. Here are some of the awesome things in this episode: Step by step how Russell was able to grow his business without you outside funds. How he was basically paid to introduce people into the Clickfunnels world. And why funnels are the key to growing your own business without having to take money from venture capitalists. So listen here to hear this awesome presentation that can teach you how to grow your business using sales funnels. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I am still planning on giving you guys a huge recap of the viral video event, bubble soccer, everything else that went down at the event, because some crazy stuff happened. I’m also trying to get permission from Gary V to let me share some of his presentation with you guys here. So that’s the game plan. If I’m able to do that, you’ll see it soon. And you’ll see my recap soon as well. But this week I’ve got my inner circle here, so I am in there locked away. So what I did want to do is I got the video clip from my presentation at the event about how to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in sales, how we did that by using sales funnels and growth hacking. And it was a shorter presentation, but I think it was really, really cool. I’m sure I talked really, really fast. I was also really tired, I’d only slept one hour the night before. So if it doesn’t make any sense, that’s kind of the context of why. But hopefully it will give you guys some ideas about how to scale a company. You hear me talk about the Dotcom Secrets book a lot. Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins, and sometimes when you hear that it’s depressing if you don’t have a lot of money, so I’m not going to win. And that’s how I felt, especially when we launched Clickfunnels and we’re competing against two companies, one that had 40 million dollars in funding and one that had over 100 million. How do you do that? And this presentation shows you how we did it. So after we do a little Marketing Secrets intro here, I’m going pick right up with my presentation from the event, I hope you love it. Thanks so much and we’ll talk to you guys soon. I put together this presentation because like I said, the biggest question I get, especially from people who are building their own companies is “how in the world have you grown Clickfunnels so fast without having any money, any capitol, any outside funding at all?” So I put together this presentation this morning. Like I said, I had one hour of sleep last night, then I got up and started working on this presentation. But to kind of walk you through what we did and some of the mind shifts that I think are different that will hopefully help you guys as you’re growing and scaling everything you are doing. So the title of my presentation is how do we use growth hacking and sales funnels to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in less than three years, we’re a week away, without taking any outside funding. So the first thing I want to go over really quickly, for those that didn’t know what I was talking about earlier, I’m going to go over what a funnel is really quick. So what is a funnel? If you look at, actually let me step back. The reason why I want to talk about this is it’s been interesting, I’ve been doing this internet marketing game for 15 years now. This is my 15th year in the business selling all sorts of stuff, and it’s interesting because recently there’s been a whole bunch of books coming out on growth hacking, all these cool new ways to growth hack. And it’s funny because we get the growth hacking books and read them, it’s like, that’s all the internet marketing stuff we’ve been doing for the last decade. And now it’s like, real businesses are catching on, figuring out these things that are really, really cool. So that’s kind of why, my thoughts on this presentation. Showing all these funnel things, this is the growth hacking, this is the movement, this is where things are going that we keep talking about. So what’s a funnel? To explain a funnel, I think the easiest way to begin, is to show what a funnel is not. So this is a traditional style website. This is what Clickfunnels is kind of going against all the time. Most people have traditional websites, they have all sorts of ads. They’re paying for Facebook, Youtube, Google, all these things and they’re driving it into these websites, and it’s literally slamming a whole bunch of people into a brick wall. I know that because this is how I got started. I was trying that thing and it did not work. I always say that a traditional website is kind of like having a really bad sales person who is shy and all they do is hand out brochures, and then pray the person comes back. That’s a traditional website. What a funnel is, is basically having the best salesperson on planet earth, come and meet the person at the front door, find out their name and walk them through the process. Find out what they want, how they want it and giving them exactly what they want. So that’s kind of what a sales funnel is. My whole philosophy in business kind of, like I told you guys in the last presentation, when we started Clickfunnels three years ago, we had two major competitors that we were looking at. Number one had just gotten 43 million dollars in funding and number two had just had over 100 million dollars in funding. I’m coming in with me and Todd and we’re bank rolling it with our big old credit cards and we’re like, “Okay, we’re going against these huge giants that have hundreds of millions of dollars, how are we going to win?” One of my first mentors, Dan Kennedy, he used to say this all the time. “Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins.” So I’m looking at these companies who have hundreds of millions of dollars in funding and I’m like, I’m screwed. I’m not going to be able to win. These guys could out spend me every single day. And I started looking at this more and more and I didn’t get it at first. It took me a couple of years before I understood this concept of whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins. Like I told you before, I went to college here at Boise State, I wrestled here and I used to carry my buddies on back up and down the football stadium, every single day before practice, this is my hometown. Here in Boise, one thing we’re famous for, those who are not from Idaho, we’re famous for potatoes and the very first product I ever put together was a DVD teaching people how make potato guns. You probably heard me tell this story before, but it was a DVD how to make potato guns. I set it up online, I was learning about internet marketing, it was really simple. I had a one page website, I had Google ads. That’s all that we did back in the day. So I went to Google, started buying ads, I was spending about $10 a day on Google ads, and I was selling a $37 DVD on how to make potato guns. So I spent $10 a day on ads and I usually averaged about one sale per day. So Russell as a college kid was making a whopping $27 per day profit, I was putting into my pocket, which was pretty awesome. And that was kind of my beginning. And then what happened, a little while into this whole game, Google shifted how everything worked and I got in big, big trouble and literally overnight, my website was the same but I went from spending $10 a day in ads to spending $50 a day, overnight. So I was spending $50 a day and sending it to the exact same website, but I was only making one sale. Same thing. So I was losing $13 a day. And my beautiful wife, after about 3 or 4 days of that said, “You have to stop. This is not a good business. This is really, really bad.” So we stopped and eventually had to cut up our credit cards and I thought I’d missed the bubble. I’m like dang it, we missed it. And those are actual pictures of us cutting up our credit cards, back in our first home. About that time I had a friend who was also in the business and he came back and said, “Russell, I think I’ve figured this out. My little website..” He had the same problem. Google raised their prices, algorithms changed, and a bunch of my friends got out of the business. One of my friends came back and he’s like, “I figured it out. I started adding in these things.” He called them OTO’s which stands for one time offer, or basically an upsell. He says, ”I’m charging upsells to my products and I start making more money from every customer, and now I’m able to afford my ads again. I turned my ads back on.”  I was like, “That’s cool, but I don’t know how…How can I do that? I don’t know how to do that.” I was like, “I have a potato gun DVD. What should I do?” and he’s like, “Well, people who buy potato gun DVD’s, what else do they need? How else can you serve them?” And I was like, “Well, we could buy them, the next piece is they have to buy a potato gun kit, so they’d have to buy pipes and a BBQ igniter, all these other pieces.” And he’s like, “Well you should sell a kit.” I’m like, “Well I don’t want to make kits. That would be really not cool.” And he’s like, “See if you can find someone.” So I ended up finding a guy in Northern Idaho who actually was drop shipping potato gun kits, did a partnership with him and I made my very first funnel. This is my funnel transition. So people who buy my DVD, I’d upsell a $200 potato gun kit and we’d send it out in the mail. So what’s cool is I’d turned the Google ads on back in the day, and what happened is I was still spending about $50 a day, but then one out of three people would start buying the potato gun kit. So we did the math on that, one out of three people, means I was averaging about $60 in additional sales with every DVD that I got, that I sold. Which means I was spending about $50 a day on ads, and now I was making $102 in ads, and all the sudden it worked again. That was magic. Literally when I made that shift I went from losing money to making $52 a day in profit. I was like, this is it. Biggest thing in the world. For me obviously, potato guns is a very small market and I didn’t stay there long, but the concept of that rang through my head, I was like this is how it works. And my moral that I learned from this whole experience was that funnels make me money, websites make me broke. So my obsession for the last decade of my life has been this. A lot of you guys have been to my events for the last decade, teaching this concept. Showing you guys, this is the key. So when I started doing this and realizing it, that message I had heard from my mentor kept coming back to my head saying, “Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins.” That was the key. Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins. So as we came into this game of Clickfunnels and looking at people with hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital behind them, I’m like how in the world can we compete with that? I was like, I can’t do it. Head for head they can all outspend me, but if I can build a funnel that’s right, I can change everything. If you look at the reason why we have grown as fast as we have, is because we can literally outspend everyone. We get probably three or four times a week, different people trying to put money into CLickfunnels, and most of these we tell them no, but a couple we’ve entertained because it’s interesting and we’re curious what they think we’re worth, it’s really fun. So we were at lunch this day with this group and I’m talking to the guy and he’s going over everything, and he asks the question they always ask on Shark Tank, “How much does it cost to acquire a customer?” And I hate when people ask this question because he’s not going to get what I’m going to tell him. I was like, “Well we’re running Facebook ads, for the home page, we’re spending about $120 to acquire a free trial member.” And he was like, “Oh that’s amazing, based on that, what I can do is go and put in $50 million in cash and we get this many customers…” and all this stuff and I was like, “Well, well, real quick. We actually turned those ads off.” And he’s like, “You turned those ads off.” And I’m like, “Yeah. I gotta pay for this out of my own pocket. I don’t want to lose $120 every customer.” And he’s like, “Well how are you guys growing fast?” and I said, “ The reason why is because we have funnels.” And I explained to him some of my front end funnels, like my book funnels, some other funnels. I said, “Look, for every single person that comes to one of my funnels, if they buy one of my books, we spend on average about $10-12 on a Facebook ads, or other ad platforms to sell a book, but then through that funnel we average about $32. What happens is we spend $12 and get someone to buy one of our books, we make net, $20 of cash in our pocket, and then we introduce them to Clickfunnels. So every single customer, before we tell them about Clickfunnels, they actually pay us money and we put that money in our pocket.” He’s like, “That doesn’t make any sense.” And I explained it again. And he said, “That doesn’t make sense.” And I explained it three or four times and he stopped and said, “If what you’re saying is true, that will change business forever.” I was like, “That’s my whole message. That’s what we do. That’s what funnels are all about.” So I want to walk you guys really quick through this and then we’re going to have Gary come up here in a minute. But one of the key concepts you guys need to understand, and this a concept we call a break even funnel. Those of my inner circle members who are here, we spent a lot of time on this, but the break even funnel is a funnel where you break even, so you can literally get customers for free. When you have that, you can grow your company as quick, as big, as fast as you want. So we spend a lot of time on that. So this is a break even funnel, where I put a dollar in advertizing in and get at least a dollar back out, and if I’m good at it, I can get two or three dollars back out. Now I’ve got a customer, I’ve got some cash, now we can put them into the other things that we have. A couple of examples of some of our break even funnels, I grabbed these from some slides this morning to show you some examples. This is my Dotcom Secrets book, this is a couple of months ago stats. We got about 5400 leads, we sold 23,095 books, our average cart value during that time was $30.81, so we spent $45,000 in ads, we made $52,000 in sales so our profit was $7,763. Most people would look at a company our size and be like, that is a waste. You just wasted a lot of….you just made $7 grand, that’s not a big deal. But that was to get customers. We got 5400 people that then, the next week we would say, “hey, by the way, there’s this really cool thing called Clickfunnels.” And I got paid $7,000 to get those 5400 people onto my list. That was one of our front end products. This is a split-testing book, same kind of thing. We had 2,000 leads come in last month, 1300 book sold, average cart value was $12. Ads we spent $4000, sales was $18,000, so we made $13,000 but now we got 2000 people that we can introduce to Clickfunnels. So we got paid to get all these customers. One more example is Perfect Webinar, same kind of thing. Leads, sales, I’ll go through this quickly. We made $4000 and got 1600 customers we introduced into Clickfunnels. Now if you walk through those three funnels alone, and we have about a dozen or so front end funnels that we use in different platforms and things, last month from this, basically our front end revenue was $96.000, our ad costs were $81,000, so we netted a whopping $14,000. Most people would be like, “Man Russell, with a company with 120 employees, you’re going to go broke fast.” But what’s amazing about that, is that it brought in literally 30 or 40,000 new people into our world, who then we took them through the rest of our sequence. They’re introduced to us, now we can go and build a relationship with them, talk to them, serve them, help them understand what we do, what we believe, and introduce them to our other products and services. And for us, obviously that is Clickfunnels. So if you look at that, what it means for us, is we literally get almost a thousand trials for free every single day, like clockwork. That comes back to what we talked about before. That’s how we’re able to grow so fast. We can literally outspend everybody in our market. There’s nobody else that can do that. And what’s cool for you guys, whatever business you’re in, that’s the key. Remember whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins, and when you figure that out, it makes it so you can grow really, really quickly. Any kind of business, any kind of venture, anything that you want to do. So that, you guys, is how we use growth hacking and sales funnels to go from zero to a hundred million dollars in just three years without taking on any outside funding. Thank you.

If you want success, the first step is STOP STOPPING!!! On this episode Russell talks about getting his stalling kids ready for bed and yelling at them to stop stopping, which reminded him of what Setema said at Funnel Hacking Live. Here are some of the awesome things to look for in this episode: Why yelling at his kids to stop stalling, made him think of people who need to stop stopping when it comes to business and life. Why it’s always important to keep moving forward even when you hit roadblocks. And why its physically impossible to have success when you stop from every roadblock that gets in your way. So listen here to listen to Russell say “Stop stopping” a million times to burn it into your brain so it motivates you to always move forward. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody, it’s Russell Brunson, I’m about to go to bed, but I want to talk to you about something. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets. Alright, so it’s been a crazy week. I’m not going to lie, I’m a little tired. We’re coming up on the big viral video launch, which has been early mornings, late nights doing a lot of things, a lot of stuff working, a lot of stuff not working. We’ve had some let downs, it’s been nuts. It’s been fun, I don’t know about you but I just love this game, I love the journey, I love everything about it. And it’s been so much fun, but I had a funny story tonight. Actually what this came from initially is Setema, some of you guys heard him speak at Funnel Hacking Live, he’s been in Inner Circle, he was in the Inner Circle last year. And he gave this one presentation it was so cool. He had four or five points he was going over and I remember one of them that had a big impact on me. I never found my notebook. All I remember is he said, “You need to stop stopping.” And then he started talking about people who go and hit roadblock and then they stop. You need to stop stopping. He said that things happen and then people stop. He’s like, “you gotta stop stopping.” And he kept saying that over and over again. It was funny tonight, we got back after a long week, we had this big party at one of the neighbors houses tonight. It was probably about 250 kids at this thing, it was nuts. My kids are out there swimming and partying and Collette and I came and took the younger kids home and then I just went back to go grab them. I grabbed them and they’re all cold and tired and hopped up on sugar. You know how it is. Summer parties, I guess end of Summer parties. Anyway, so I go and get them loaded in the car, drive them home and came into bed and Dallin, my oldest, he’s getting ready for bed and he has this thing where he kind of stalls and stalls and stalls and he kept stopping. And tonight, after the 5th or 6th time I’m like, “Come on bud, let’s go. Let’s go.” And then he was putting his shirt on and he kind of stopped there and he’s just sitting there and I was like, “Dallin, you have to stop stopping.” He’s like, “What Dad?” and I’m like, “Stop stopping.” He’s like, “Wait, what?” I’m like, “Stop stopping.” I kept yelling it and he starts laughing. Anyway, I was getting Bowen for bed, and he kept doing it too so I’m like, “Bowen, you have to stop stopping.” And he was like, “Wait, what Dad.” And I’m like, “You have to stop stopping.” And he’s like, “Oh that’s really cool.” And I’m like, “I know.” And then I did it to Ellie. Everyone else was passed out. Collette passed out a little earlier too, with Aiden. And Norah was long gone. Anyway, as I had fun doing that and yelling at the kids and telling them to stop stopping, I just kind of realized how powerful that is.  I was like, I gotta grab my camera just because I think that this is why most people don’t succeed. And not just in business, this is like any part of life. Good relationships, people just stop. In business they stop. In development, in sports, how many times do people just stop. I’m not perfect either, I’m guilty of this as well. But I think one of the reasons I do have success in this avenue of my life, in business and stuff like that is I just stopped stopping. You hit something and you keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going. So for any of you guys who have a habit of stopping, you start working on a project and you stop. You start doing this thing and then you stop, and then you start doing something else and then you stop. You get stopped by whatever. It could be Facebook, phone, friends, food, something, all F’s. A bunch of….I was going to say something inappropriate, anyway, they’re all F’s. You gotta stop stopping. I think that’s it for most people. You get a little turbulence and you stop. You gotta stop stopping. So this is it. I’m going to say it ten more times so it gets rung into your head so every time you’re moving forward on something, you’re getting direction, you’re getting momentum and start moving in this thing, you hit something and you want to stop, I want you to hear me yelling in your ear, “Stop stopping. Keep going. Stop stopping. Go, go, go, go. Keep going. Yes, it’s a trial. Stop stopping. Yes, it’s a hurdle, stop stopping. Yes, that’s frustrating, stop stopping. Yes, I know there’s pain associated with that task, you don’t want to do it. You gotta stop stopping. Just keep moving forward. Stop stopping.” So there it is. There’s my rant for you guys tonight. Stop stopping, keep moving forward, that’s the goal. If you do that, you’ll get what you want. If you stop, you won’t. It’s physically impossible if I want that thing over there and I start walking towards it and I stop, I can’t get it. I’m like, but it’s hard, or I’m tired, or I’m hungry, or I’m blah, blah, blah, fill in the blank with your excuse. If you stop you’re never going to get there. It’s impossible if you stop. You gotta stop stopping and just walk and keep going despite all of the fear and stress and pain and all the other stuff that happens with it. Because I know it’s there, I’ve felt it before, you’ve felt it before. But I think about all the things in my life that have been great, it’s because I stopped stopping. Wrestling was hard, I didn’t eat most days. I would way in Monday, this was in high school, I’d be at 160 and Thursday I’d be at 130. I couldn’t stop, I had to keep going forward, I learned how to stop stopping and literally stopped eating. But yes, I stopped stopping and kept moving forward. I became great at that. Business was the same thing. I would stop because we’d get hit and didn’t move, and after years of doing it, I figured out how to stop stopping and keep moving through all the pressure and the pain and noise and keep going. There’s other aspects of my life where I haven’t been as good, where I’ve stopped. This is good for me too. There’s two avenues in my life where I’ve stopped. I gotta stop stopping too. So this may be for you but it’s probably for me. So Russell, stop stopping. You, whoever you are listening right now, it’s time. It’s time to stop stopping. It’s time to move forward, let’s go. I’m going to go and stop stopping if you commit too. Alright? Cool, stop stopping. See you guys soon. Bye everybody.

If you want success, the first step is STOP STOPPING!!! On this episode Russell talks about getting his stalling kids ready for bed and yelling at them to stop stopping, which reminded him of what Setema said at Funnel Hacking Live. Here are some of the awesome things to look for in this episode: Why yelling at his kids to stop stalling, made him think of people who need to stop stopping when it comes to business and life. Why it’s always important to keep moving forward even when you hit roadblocks. And why its physically impossible to have success when you stop from every roadblock that gets in your way. So listen here to listen to Russell say “Stop stopping” a million times to burn it into your brain so it motivates you to always move forward. ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody, it’s Russell Brunson, I’m about to go to bed, but I want to talk to you about something. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets. Alright, so it’s been a crazy week. I’m not going to lie, I’m a little tired. We’re coming up on the big viral video launch, which has been early mornings, late nights doing a lot of things, a lot of stuff working, a lot of stuff not working. We’ve had some let downs, it’s been nuts. It’s been fun, I don’t know about you but I just love this game, I love the journey, I love everything about it. And it’s been so much fun, but I had a funny story tonight. Actually what this came from initially is Setema, some of you guys heard him speak at Funnel Hacking Live, he’s been in Inner Circle, he was in the Inner Circle last year. And he gave this one presentation it was so cool. He had four or five points he was going over and I remember one of them that had a big impact on me. I never found my notebook. All I remember is he said, “You need to stop stopping.” And then he started talking about people who go and hit roadblock and then they stop. You need to stop stopping. He said that things happen and then people stop. He’s like, “you gotta stop stopping.” And he kept saying that over and over again. It was funny tonight, we got back after a long week, we had this big party at one of the neighbors houses tonight. It was probably about 250 kids at this thing, it was nuts. My kids are out there swimming and partying and Collette and I came and took the younger kids home and then I just went back to go grab them. I grabbed them and they’re all cold and tired and hopped up on sugar. You know how it is. Summer parties, I guess end of Summer parties. Anyway, so I go and get them loaded in the car, drive them home and came into bed and Dallin, my oldest, he’s getting ready for bed and he has this thing where he kind of stalls and stalls and stalls and he kept stopping. And tonight, after the 5th or 6th time I’m like, “Come on bud, let’s go. Let’s go.” And then he was putting his shirt on and he kind of stopped there and he’s just sitting there and I was like, “Dallin, you have to stop stopping.” He’s like, “What Dad?” and I’m like, “Stop stopping.” He’s like, “Wait, what?” I’m like, “Stop stopping.” I kept yelling it and he starts laughing. Anyway, I was getting Bowen for bed, and he kept doing it too so I’m like, “Bowen, you have to stop stopping.” And he was like, “Wait, what Dad.” And I’m like, “You have to stop stopping.” And he’s like, “Oh that’s really cool.” And I’m like, “I know.” And then I did it to Ellie. Everyone else was passed out. Collette passed out a little earlier too, with Aiden. And Norah was long gone. Anyway, as I had fun doing that and yelling at the kids and telling them to stop stopping, I just kind of realized how powerful that is.  I was like, I gotta grab my camera just because I think that this is why most people don’t succeed. And not just in business, this is like any part of life. Good relationships, people just stop. In business they stop. In development, in sports, how many times do people just stop. I’m not perfect either, I’m guilty of this as well. But I think one of the reasons I do have success in this avenue of my life, in business and stuff like that is I just stopped stopping. You hit something and you keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going. So for any of you guys who have a habit of stopping, you start working on a project and you stop. You start doing this thing and then you stop, and then you start doing something else and then you stop. You get stopped by whatever. It could be Facebook, phone, friends, food, something, all F’s. A bunch of….I was going to say something inappropriate, anyway, they’re all F’s. You gotta stop stopping. I think that’s it for most people. You get a little turbulence and you stop. You gotta stop stopping. So this is it. I’m going to say it ten more times so it gets rung into your head so every time you’re moving forward on something, you’re getting direction, you’re getting momentum and start moving in this thing, you hit something and you want to stop, I want you to hear me yelling in your ear, “Stop stopping. Keep going. Stop stopping. Go, go, go, go. Keep going. Yes, it’s a trial. Stop stopping. Yes, it’s a hurdle, stop stopping. Yes, that’s frustrating, stop stopping. Yes, I know there’s pain associated with that task, you don’t want to do it. You gotta stop stopping. Just keep moving forward. Stop stopping.” So there it is. There’s my rant for you guys tonight. Stop stopping, keep moving forward, that’s the goal. If you do that, you’ll get what you want. If you stop, you won’t. It’s physically impossible if I want that thing over there and I start walking towards it and I stop, I can’t get it. I’m like, but it’s hard, or I’m tired, or I’m hungry, or I’m blah, blah, blah, fill in the blank with your excuse. If you stop you’re never going to get there. It’s impossible if you stop. You gotta stop stopping and just walk and keep going despite all of the fear and stress and pain and all the other stuff that happens with it. Because I know it’s there, I’ve felt it before, you’ve felt it before. But I think about all the things in my life that have been great, it’s because I stopped stopping. Wrestling was hard, I didn’t eat most days. I would way in Monday, this was in high school, I’d be at 160 and Thursday I’d be at 130. I couldn’t stop, I had to keep going forward, I learned how to stop stopping and literally stopped eating. But yes, I stopped stopping and kept moving forward. I became great at that. Business was the same thing. I would stop because we’d get hit and didn’t move, and after years of doing it, I figured out how to stop stopping and keep moving through all the pressure and the pain and noise and keep going. There’s other aspects of my life where I haven’t been as good, where I’ve stopped. This is good for me too. There’s two avenues in my life where I’ve stopped. I gotta stop stopping too. So this may be for you but it’s probably for me. So Russell, stop stopping. You, whoever you are listening right now, it’s time. It’s time to stop stopping. It’s time to move forward, let’s go. I’m going to go and stop stopping if you commit too. Alright? Cool, stop stopping. See you guys soon. Bye everybody.

Shannon Burnett-Gronich has come a long way since her days as a single mother of two, struggling to make ends meet. Through hard work and a focus on helping others find success, Shannon has developed into a successful, multi-faceted executive. Her expertise has enabled her to help hundreds of people with business development and personal growth by training and coaching them in marketing, event production, networking, and much more. Shannon has spent ten years building an international conscious business community, focused on helping small businesses grow through education, marketing, and cooperation. Known as the owner of an exclusive "Million Dollar Rolodex," Shannon has successfully attained over $3 Million in F-R-E-E press, and has taught hundreds of people how to do the same. Shannon has appeared on television, radio, and in the press, and has co-authored the Amazon #1 best seller "Law of Business Attraction - The Secret of Cooperative Success" with T Harv Eker of the Millionaire Mind.   Shannon Burnett-Gronich has produced over 300 events and conferences since 2001 with 100+ exhibitors and 100+ volunteers. She discovered that most sponsors, speakers, and exhibitors do not have the education or plan to be successful. In order for them to continue to come back year after year, Shannon developed a simple system to train businesses and their teams in the fine art of conference excellence - helping them get the results they want and make more money. She also has been an exhibitor of multiple booths that required planning, marketing, team training, sales, database building, and follow-up. She has the ability to systemize and implement a plan for follow-up so that all leads turn into cash. This is through investors, joint venture partners, product sales, and sponsors. Shannon's event production clients include Dr Linda Hole, Jim Self, Stewart Levine of Resolution Works, Dr. Gary Null - America's #1 Health Guru, and T Harv Eker. - Secret to the Millionaire Mind.   Notes from the session: Secrets for a Great Press Release 1. Tagline that sizzles (12 to 14 point) Think Like Magazine Editors (Checkout at grocery store) 2. Introduction - Invite people to talk about challenge or problem (Quote someone famous as substitute) Lean toward statistics 3. Body - Quote yourself as an expert (preferably from other publicity from known sources) 4. Solution - What the remedy is 5. Call to action to readers to use information, go back for more 6. Contact information   Media Kit Contents - Expert Power Bio, Press Release, Company Pieces, Action Photos, Sample Media Done, Articles or Clippings About You, Fancy Annual Report   www.shannongronich.com/powerbio   The Interview Transcript   Nonprofit Chat with Shannon Gronich Hugh Ballou: Greetings, it's Hugh Ballou. We are in this session of the Nonprofit Chat. We have had a series of really good interviews. Tonight is no exception. We have a special guest tonight, Shannon Gronich. Shannon is a dear friend, and we collaborate a lot together. Shannon has presented at my leadership empowerment symposiums multiple times, and each time, she adds more and more value to what I do. Shannon, welcome to the Nonprofit Chat. Shannon Gronich: Thank you so much for having me. I love the work that you do and really appreciate all of the individuals that you have touched in my life with your skill of how to build a high-performance team and how to collaborate and all that you do. Thank you, Hugh. Hugh: Great. Thank you. We are better when we work with good people, and I enjoy the collaboration that we share. I know things about you. You do a lot of things. You produce events and get sponsorships. Tonight, our channel is about creating the documents and the story to get picked up for free publicity. Tell us a little bit about your background in doing this and how you got to that level of expertise. Shannon: Thank you. That is a great question. I have always been doing events and bringing people together, ever since I was in high school, when I would throw parties and bring people together. When I started doing events, I looked at the marketing budget and the expense of that and how to grow that because a lot of times, you can spend money on marketing and not get the results you want. We were doing a local conference here in Florida and getting about 500 attendees, which is an incredible amount of individuals. So we studied how do we get picked up by TV and radio and print? We cracked the code for developing a press release that anybody can do. You don't have to be a great writer. You don't have to be a nonprofit even, even though this is for nonprofits. You do have an edge because of your nonprofit status. We were able to use this system for our event, and in one press release, we went from 500 to 2,000 attendees. The article got picked up in multiple places. Since then, I have helped attain millions of dollars of free publicity, not only for multiple events, but for multiple projects and individuals and lots of variations in between. Hugh: You have a book on this topic. What's the book called? Shannon: Media Magic: Instantly Get Radio, TV, Print, and Internet Press to Give You Limitless Publicity. Hugh: Where can people find it? I guess you can find it on Amazon? Shannon: Yes, you can find it on Amazon. If you get it there, Hugh, I always say to email me, which is in the back of the book, a receipt because I will give you a free copy of a training with Jay Abraham's ghostwriter that is just powerful. If you get it from Amazon, send me the receipt. Or you can go to my website shannongronich.com and instantly get that recording, too. Hugh: Great. That is a super offer. I know your content is stunning and absolutely works. This publicity thing, in my first book, I had a chapter on publicity. When I worked in St. Pete, I developed personal relationships with all the media, so when I sent in my announcements, they knew who it was from. And I knew how to make it complete so they would be able to print it. They said that was very rare because people would give them in all kinds of forms, and there would be things missing, like what time the event was and where to go in the properties, where it was. I developed a template that had a checklist of important things. I also found that a lot of people, and this was in church music, I had open events that were accessible by everybody, so it was important for me to get the word out. I do find that for many years, publicity was an afterthought. If you wait until the week before, it is too late. I find that that is a common thread with people running a charity or some sort of church program. We are so busy producing the event that we forget about the publicity. Let me run a paradigm by you. I encourage people to appoint someone in the organization to be in charge of communications, which would include event publicity, internal and external communications. There would be one person to develop the system, and that person needs to have certain qualifications. Do you find that that works in groups you have worked with? There is some person dedicated to sharing information? Shannon: Absolutely. Whomever is dealing with the event, whether it be the marketing coordinator, the person in charge of marketing, or the event coordinator, they do need to look at that plan. You hit on a sore spot for a lot of people. I have had people call me ten days before their event. Now, we have worked miracles and have done in the daily. Ideally, if you are looking at a project, if you can be 120 days out, 90 days out, then you can start building those relationships with publications, trade magazines, bi-monthlies, monthlies, quarterlies. We have a beautiful magazine here in our area that comes out four times a year, so you have to plan way ahead to get into their calendar of events or articles or anything like that. Hugh: Would you talk a little bit about that timeline? I encourage people to go backwards from the event. When you are thinking about all of these different types of publications, it's a challenge because magazines have a different kind of lead time. It's the publication day, but there are different kinds of lead time. There is a flow with this. Talk about working backwards from the event. Shannon: Absolutely. Then I want to be certain to share the six essentials that go with it. Working backwards, I always invite people- One of our greatest assets is our media list. We hear our greatest asset is our contact list, which is absolutely true. Another huge asset is our media list. With the media list, I use a simple Excel sheet. I also have them in my CRM system. But I use a simple Excel sheet that has name, publication deadlines, key contacts, but also I target writers or contributors because they can sometimes get us in to publications easier or expedite that process. At least, when you start creating that list, find out where you want to be. Locally seems to be the easiest. You do want to have on your vision board to target big publications and magazines. However, starting local and getting that media list together is key. Find out who does quarterly, monthly, weekly, daily. How about radio shows? You do this chat once a week, and you probably book it out a few months in advance. I even know radio hosts who are booked out six months in advance. The more lead time you can give with an event- I like to have at least 120 days so you can start building those relationships. As you have a relationship with media, it's a lot easier. You can do exactly like you said, Hugh: “Hey, I have something that is coming in.” Let them know your timeline, and they can work within it. But especially as you are building that new relationship, you do need a little bit longer. Hugh: Absolutely. I used to worry about bothering people with my stuff, but it is their job; they are looking for stuff! We are actually helping them do their job. Isn't that right? Shannon: Yes, there is thousands of dollars of free publicity with everybody's who is watching this name on it right now. They are looking for stories. Now they are not looking for free advertising. This is that fine line. They are looking for good stories. I focus on these three primary things. We have all heard of negative news and things like that. You can buy in and tap into some of that. But the three things that I focus on are education; community outreach, which is where a lot of events tie in, community giveback; and human interest. They love human interest, overcoming adversity, challenges that somebody may have. You may ask what this has to do with a nonprofit. How does this benefit me? When people see Hugh Ballou has overcome—Hugh, I am sitting here trying to say something you have overcome, but I have never heard you overcome any challenges. But when they read that, they are going to go, “I need to know about Hugh. Let me connect with him. Who is this individual?” Hugh: I am getting over being bashful. You have hit on a subject, which is so key. Russell David Dennis has joined us. Welcome, Russell. I like his three names; he doesn't usually use them, but I think there is a rhythm to it. I ran a pretty good music program in a major church in St. Pete, Florida, across Florida from where you are in Melbourne. I did really good events. There was a person- I had relationships with writers in music to critics. I had writers that did business. St. Pete Times was my customer, so St. Pete Times had different people who did different writing for different topics. I built a relationship with all of them. There was one time I had Sir David Wilcox, the Queen's Musician, coming from England. We were doing this big-deal concert. I sent in my announcement to the calendar listing, just modestly sending it. The person sent it back to me and said, “We can't publicize this church event. It's not of general interest.” So I went to the music critic, and they jumped on it and did an interview. I had a front-page picture of the rehearsal with Sir David and my choir, which was much better than a calendar listing. This guy being a music critic knew this was a nationally renowned conductor that we were bringing to St. Pete, Florida, and they jumped on it. It was to their advantage to run the story, which they did. It didn't fit one person's model, but it fit another person's model. I could have gone back to her and gone “Nyah, nah, nah,” but I didn't because it didn't fit her model. It fit the other model. Just because somebody said no, like you said, you have different people who have different slants, we can go to another place and it might be of interest to them. Do you have a story around- It's not doing the run-around, but finding the fit, the proper thing to say. Shannon: A lot of people say, “What do you say? You have the press kit together. What do you do?” That is where in the media list, I do identify multiple people. You know we have a bull's eye and aim darts at it? I imagine having a handful or fistful of bull's eyes and I send them out to multiple people. I say, “I'm not sure where this goes. Maybe you can direct me.” Most of the time, where it gets to where it's going, they have heard about it from different locations, so it tends to have more impact or attention. Hugh: The other thing I think is important to know is that you are sending it to the real person. You have checked to make sure it is the right person, and you spell their name correctly. Shannon: I am old-school on picking up the phone as much as possible and getting their permission and letting them know to expect it. Also to follow up and expect multiple No's, No I didn't get it, No I didn't read it, No it's the wrong department, No we don't want to print it. My biggest success was when I was rejected 13 times, and they ended up calling me when they were going to print. They said they had remnant space. Once they did the layout, they realized they had one space, and they did a full-profile picture and an entire article. Hugh: Love it. That is amazing. You slid by something here that I want to come back to. The press kit. What is that? Shannon: That's a great question. That is the six things we have talked about. There are six things to be ready for the media. The first thing is your press release. Having what it is that you are doing. I have a simple system that is one page, double-spaced, title at the top. It's very much story-focused as opposed to advertising. You even quote yourself as an expert. When you quote yourself as an expert, I wouldn't say, “Shannon, author of Media Magic.” I would say, “Shannon, author and marketing strategist,” or something very general because when they look at it and if it looks like you want free press, there is a higher chance of it ending up in the trash. We keep it very simple. The press release is one thing that you want to have ready to go. When you call them or connect with them, they will say to send it over. The other thing is I like people to have ready their expert power bio. An expert power bio- I say power because this is a story about you. If you are a nonprofit, this can be a story about your board or individuals who are involved. Having this ready tends to get people to pay attention and notice who you are, and you are not having to sell yourself. The third thing is company pieces. Do you have brochures or business cards? Have those items ready to send out on a moment's notice. Is there an event flyer you are working with? Sample PR that you have been a part of. Have you been on radio or TV or articles? Sample PR that you have contributed is great. The next one is things that have been written about you, the third-party writing. Those are other items. The last two is your order form. I don't always send this in with the press release. But having that ready because a lot of times, individuals want to know what you offer. Tell me more about who you are and what you offer. Have that ready so they can get an overview is key. The last thing is action photos. Action photos are you in action. I know that we want to update our headshots and have those, but do not send those in with a press release. You are really wasting your time unless they ask specifically for a headshot. You always want to do what they say to do as opposed to what I say to do. I am teaching you a format that has worked, but you want to follow what they say. Hugh, can I share a little story about action photos? Hugh: I love it. You know I had a photo career previously, and I see a lot of really stupid pictures. People standing around smiling is not credible. It's not very interesting. Shannon: Action photos. What happened with me is when I was first learning this formula, they asked if I had any photos. I said yes and sent in a headshot. All I got was a real small article and that was it. I started looking at what they were really looking for. The next time, when they asked if I had an action photo, I said yes and put together a picture of me and a woman standing in front of a booth or display. I am looking at a brochure pointing at it with her. This was our action photo. They gave us a quarter page for the photo and then a quarter page for the article, and it was huge. They really love things that make it stand out. So I send in a few things when we submit the press release so they can pick and choose and connect with an image. Hugh: That's a really good list. I want to make sure we get a numbered list and put it on the website. If I heard you right, nonprofits stand a good chance of getting free publicity because of the kinds of work that we do. Did I hear that correctly? Shannon: Absolutely. Everybody, yeah. But nonprofits have an advantage because many times, they hit all three of those things: the human interest, the community, and the education. If you can tie in all three, that can be more powerful, but it only takes one. Hugh: And you talked about the bio. I guess there is a whole methodology around that, and you speak about that in your book. But why are the leader and team bios important for getting free publicity? Does that lead to more attendance, more donations? What is the net result? Why do we have those bios included? Shannon: With the bio, and Hugh, I think I did get your permission, I am going to give them my 12-step system for free. If they go to shannongronich.com/powerbio, they can get the 12-step system that I take people through. There is actually a 13th step, which is listing your contacts or clients, even if it is a past company you have worked with. I found by adding that number 13, there has been gems, as I have talked to people, where Delta might have been a client for them. They sometimes forget key names they are able to share. So please get that. Why it's important is that one of the most challenging things for individuals to do is to talk about themselves or what people might consider bragging. It is the most powerful thing to stand out in the crowd and get people to pay attention and notice you. I found that in the bio process, it really speeds up that- if you are working with a door, and they want to know who you are and what you are doing and why they should entrust you with their money, they could see this is who you have worked with, this is what you have accomplished, this is what you stand for, it makes it easier for them to write a check. You are actually not having to talk as much. With the media, they want to know who this is. Why do I need to pay attention to this individual? Hugh: Wow. Shannon: With your board, especially with donations and grants, I know that is a separate topic, but it's important. They want to know, even with media, who is on the board and who is running this organization and to be able to share and showcase it, you have some supportive, whether it be big names or their skillset, that this is not just a whim. Or if it is just getting started, you have really positioned it with some leaders. Hugh: You want to position yourself as a professional. You are giving us professional tools. I know sometimes people have asked questions about bragging about what they have done. It is just a factual representation of what you stand for. That way, the person on the other end can choose what they want to extract if they want to print some of that. So those are really good points. I want to go back to the website of shannongronich.com/powerbio. Russell, what do you think of all this? You spent a lot of time working in the nonprofit sector, and there are so many people who keep things they do a secret. Russell Dennis: A lot of them don't want to talk about themselves because they feel like it's bragging, or they are a little bit apologetic about it. It's important to talk about what you are doing. People want to know what it is that you're doing. They are interested. A lot of times, some nonprofits you get social workers, and they are uncomfortable talking about value or bragging, it sounds salesy or markety. You are marketing. You want to present an image and you are telling people about what you are doing. Bob Proctor talks about it: What's so great about that? You have to talk about what's great and what people are getting out of it in the terms that mean something to them because it's not about you. Hugh: Bob Circosta. The Whizcat. You had the Bob part right. I know we know both of them. So Russell, you pinged a couple ideas here. Shannon, we framed this, at least from my limited perspective, in promoting upcoming events. What about continuing to share the important things we are doing, the big successes, as a follow-up to an event or as an ongoing communication with the media? Is that any different than promoting an event or something coming up? Shannon: Even an event, there are ways you want to craft it. What education piece can you contribute? What education piece is your nonprofit? They are always looking for that type of information. If there is something in the media that is happening now that you can piggyback on, that can really get you some traction and mileage. I am just going to use this example. We had one woman tie in Donald Trump in her article and media, and they picked it up and went wild with it. If you are in real estate and the real estate market, something is happening with that trend, see what is in the media and what people are talking about. If there is a way to craft around a story what is happening there, that is a great way to get some steam. Hugh: Is that called newsjacking? Shannon: Yes. I like that. Hugh: Yeah. You can get some extra buzz, can't you, if you piggyback on what is going on. It could backfire though, couldn't it? Shannon: Yeah. I am always real mindful of religion and politics. Don't let that stop you. You just want to be careful. You're right, Hugh. What I have noticed about marketing is that 100% of the time they are inaccurate about something. I just had to always be thankful for what I got. I have had them spell my last name wrong. There is 100% of the time something has been incorrect. I am grateful for it. I have had bad press. I have also worked with people who have had bad press. There are different levels of bad, but there are also different ways of twisting that. One of my bad press stories, they took a picture of our event road sign, which had our website and our phone number and our company name, and it said, “Road signs are loitering our town.” It was negative news. But it was a half-page photo, so that was great. I had another friend come to me with something that was horrible for her when it happened. She was in a lawsuit, and different things were coming up. She was nervous about her event. She wondered if she didn't do her event, if that negative news would be really bad. They kept writing about her in the paper. They even mentioned her event, and her event sold out like a month in advance. But she was a woman making a difference in the world. Her event was around empowering women and leaving an impact and human trafficking. Despite her personal drama going on, she was a woman with purpose and passion, and she had to keep focused on her vision and mission through doing this. It turned out to be just incredible for her. Hugh: So getting attention and getting to what the essential message is. If I'm hearing you also, we want to set ourselves apart and define what is so important about what we are doing. That is what Russ was talking about with the Whizcat. I have seen a lot, and written a lot, of bad press releases. Give us some of the worst practices and how you would change that. You have seen some bad ones, I'm sure. Shannon: Yes. People spend thousands of dollars on publicists, and then they come to me and say, “Nothing got picked up.” So I look at their press release, and it's an ad. All it is is selling. That is the number one mistake: taking a press release and selling yourself. If you are paying for advertising, that is something that would make sense. But a lot of times, they don't pick it up. Don't put your logo on the top. That is free advertising. I know people have that style, but I found that if you just put the tagline at the very top, add a number if you can- The one I said for my event, the tagline was “85 ways to improve your health in six hours or less.” We had 85 booths, it was a six-hour event, and it was around health. That was a very creative way. People are like, “What is this?” and it got picked up. Do as much as you can to not market yourself. Also, keep it one page. Keep it simple. Double-spaced. Less is more. This concept of more is more is going out the window as a whole in life. I found that less is more because that gets them wanting to connect and ask questions. I know this is off the press release, but you also have to remember that you are talking with them. When you are interviewing them or picking up the phone and they say, “Tell me about this story,” don't talk at them for ten minutes. Just give them this snippet. “I want to share 85 ways to improve your health in six hours or less. It's a great event. I think you guys want to know about it. We want our community to know.” Less is more in each aspect of this to where they are kind of pulling it out of you. Hugh: And the less needs to be valuable. Think about what the essential message is. Back to what Russ said a minute ago, why they should care. We need to hit with the why piece of this. These elements are really good. This goes for social media posting as well: I see people hammering really hard and selling. Getting some coverage, whether you want people to retweet it or share the post or you want the media to pick it up in publications, you can't be arrogant about what you're doing and press it out there like you are selling them a used car. I find that very helpful. Shannon: And the other key piece with the publicity is- Do you care if I go through and tell them what the key components are? Hugh: Go for it. Shannon: This is one of the ways I find it's simple to get millions of dollars in free press. The tagline is at the top. Usually in 12-14 font, 5-7 words. Sometimes it can be a little more. Make that sizzle. The way I have learned to make things sizzle is an ongoing practice, not worrying about what the article is saying, but how to write a tagline. Next time you go into a grocery store, look at Oprah or Cosmo, these magazines that have spent billions of dollars in learning how to craft press releases. Take a picture and look at them and figure out how to use it in your business. “Three strategies, nine tools, how to,” those educational pieces are very easy. Use that to start training your brain to look at what works. If you search “Hubspot blog generator,” you can actually put in three nouns and it will help you come up with catchy titles. It's not perfect. You can play with it. But it will help you get that idea of what is going to get them to pay attention. That is the absolute number one most important thing. Then you go into the introduction, which is the second most important thing. That is where most of the time I invite people to talk about the challenge or the problem. It's best if it has stats, numbers, and references of where you find that information. That is really powerful. That is the number one thing I would select. If you cannot for some reason identify a problem, then you can quote somebody famous. Paul Pilzer is an economist I have used. Einstein, I have seen individuals use. You want it to be relevant. But try to lean toward the stats and talking about the challenge. Usually, 2-3 sentences at the most. Real short and sweet. Allow them to want to pay attention a little more. The second paragraph, there are only three in this process. The second one is the body. In the body, you always start with quoting yourself as an expert. When you quote yourself, it's a formula. You do beginning quote, states Hugh Ballou, transformational leadership expert. With Hugh, I would put Forbes-recognized because guess what? Forbes is a big name. That's a little different than Media Magic. You want to put that big name, but otherwise, keep it general. Then end quote. You are quoting yourself as an expert. It's a statement. It's not a quote like you would put in social media. It's more of a statement about what the problem is that you are a solution for or why it's important to address that. Then you give a few more sentences. It could be five or seven sentences because you want to keep it on one page, double-spaced. That is where you start talking about the solution and driving them toward- if it's a solution for stress, you might give them one solution. In the third paragraph, the call to action could be, “Go to my website to get this information.” Do not sell in the press release. It could be a call to action to the readers or the publisher. This press release is something that could help our community, or it can be a call to action to the readers. Take this information to make your nonprofit go to the next level. At the very bottom, you put your contact information, phone number, and website. Hugh: As tax-exempt organizations—Russ can weigh in on this with his experience in the IRS—we have to be very careful with a call to action because we are not selling, and we can be classified as unrelated business income if we are selling a program or a call to action. When you advertise or do an interview on public radio or TV, they are very restrictive. You can say, “For more information, go to,” and it's typically the homepage of the organization. As charities, we have to craft those statements very carefully. Russ, do you have any more wisdom on that point? Shannon: I just want to say it's actually best to do that whether you're a nonprofit or not. The more you can stay away from selling any type of thing, the better it is. Thank you for bringing that up as far as the rules of nonprofits. Hugh: Russ, do you have some wisdom on that? Thank you, Shannon. Russell: Sure. As far as the call to action for nonprofits is building a good story and telling people where they can get more information. You want to give more information. If you can hit them with facts about the problem you solve and why those facts are important, that is what matters. We ned to move forward on this and take action to solve this problem. Find out how you can get involved. You leave it at that. With a nonprofit, you really have to hammer the problem and why it's important to the people you are trying to reach. Hugh: Russ has noted the steps you just went through with the press release in the chat box. I encourage people to register at nonprofitchat.org to get the notes, which will then send you to the archives so you can get all the history of the nonprofit Exchange. We used to do a separate chat and exchange, and the hashtag was #nonprofitexchange on Twitter, which still goes on simultaneously with this live interview. We found that we wanted to incorporate more energy into one event. So interviewing experts and providing worthy information brings a whole lot of value. We are targeting nonprofits, but this works for businesses, too. I don't think there is anything I've heard that wouldn't work for business publicity, right? Shannon: Correct. Hugh: Thinking about some of the things you have talked about before, the elements of the press kit, is there somewhere on your site that people can get that checklist for the press kit? Shannon: It might be in one of my blogs, but I am not certain. Hugh: I want to see if Russ can grab those five. Go ahead, Shannon. Give us those five. I think it's worth repeating. Some people call it a media kit, a press kit. If I understood, you are doing a physical kit that is hard-copy. Shannon: I have it on my website. I have a Media Access to different radio shows, things I have done in the past. When we talk about showcasing what you have done in the past, either things you have participated in or written about you, having those are great. I do like to have something. There are environments I go into, like CEO Space, to have something that is in a folder or include a disc of you. Most of it I put on the website or send in an email for that initial contact. Hugh: Got it. So the things in the press kit are? Shannon: The expert power bio. The press release. Company pieces. Hugh: Company pieces like? Shannon: A brochure, business cards, flyers about the events, anything regarding your company. Action photos. Hugh: Action photos. People doing stuff. Shannon: Yep. Sample media that you have done, anything you have participated in. And then articles or clippings about you. Hugh: Love it. Was that too fast, Russ? Shannon: As a nonprofit, if you have a fancy annual report, or things you have, I would consider the end report as a company piece that a nonprofit has that you can include in that. I would suggest it anyway. Hugh: If you are sending an email, you could include a link to that website, if it is a lengthy report. Sometimes they are. The reporter could go and search that out. Part of what you ran by before, I'd like you to say more about the title. I find that the title can make a huge amount of difference. You mentioned a way to come up with snazzy titles. I use the Google Keywords tool, and I put in what I think is a good title and it gives me other words around that. It helps me think about other words that maybe I didn't think about. You mentioned using Hubspot, and they have a blog title generator. Shannon: Yeah, that's really great. As you are out looking around, see what's out there. What I found that numbers are the most powerful. That gets people to know, “Okay, there is a system here. This is synchronized.” There is an ending. For some reason, if you can tie numbers into your taglines, that is the best. Looking at how to's. My personal human interest was, I sent it smaller, but they printed, “Paralyzed woman heals with ancient Chinese exercise,” incorporating how you overcome adversity. If you are doing charity work and have an impact on a family or in your mission, you can tie that into the tagline. Hugh: Speaking about- Shannon: I don't say any names. Some individuals will say- I wouldn't say “Hugh Ballou is coming to Melbourne.” This is how a lot of people write press releases. I would say, “Forbes-recognized transformational leadership specialist coming to Melbourne.” I wouldn't mention the name because the name won't mean anything in the title. But the Forbes would. Hugh: Got it. This is a gold mine of very useful information, Shannon. Let's give the name of your book again. Shannon: And then Robert Green has a question on Facebook that I want to answer if he is still with us because I love Robert and I know you do, too. I put you two together. You can get the book at shannongronich.com or on Amazon. You can send in the receipt, or if you do it on my website you get it right away: I give you Jay Abraham's ghostwriter's training on copywriting. It is Copywriting Secrets. Shannongronich.com. Media Magic: Instantly Get Radio, TV, Print, and Internet Press to Give You Limitless Publicity. Hugh: It was a while ago that you wrote it. Shannon: That is a long one. Hugh: That is a testimony. He is a well-read man. Shannon: One of my favorite things in the book that a lot of individuals talk about is I have actually given power words. These power words are really groovy, especially around putting around your power bio. It gets you to think of things like “articulated, created, developed.” Those are verbs that are action/results oriented. There is hundreds of them. I alphabetize them. That right there, people say they look at it all the time. It is a great resource. Hugh: Outstanding. Russell, of course you have read that book, right? Russell: I have. I highlighted a few pieces. It's always good to remind myself when I get stuck for action words in a blog post. This is right here in my office. I remember Shannon's action words and flip it to the page. You can say the same thing with several different words. One of the mistakes I see a lot of nonprofit leaders make is when they are writing things, particularly grants, they use passive language. That was a habit I had for a long time. When you are using that passive language, it doesn't convey the message as quickly and succinctly, so you want to use these action words in grants. Especially when you are quantifying your results and how you are going to measure what you're doing, you want action words. When you are talking about what you are going to accomplish, you want to use these action words. We have the number of people who are on food stamps, for example. You want to have these action words there so they are operative and available. In the press release, it has to be short, snappy, and get them to *audio cut* Shannon: Russell, do you find that when you're submitting a grant- And I want to make sure we get to Robert Green's question. Do you find that when you're submitting a grant that them knowing they have media exposure, do you ever submit where they have been in the media, with publicity, with grant proposals? Russell: Depends on what the request for proposal asks for. If you have been highlighted or featured, that is always a piece to add to your credibility. In most bios for board members and that type of thing, the important things you put in there are these are the things we have done. If you have gotten those numbers or results for things you have done in the past with other projects that go into that, that is pretty powerful. It adds to the credibility. You have that in the press kit. I would add that into the nonprofit press kit. Who has funded you? Who have you worked with? What results have you managed to get with other or similar programs, especially if you are following up with something? Now let's take it to the next level and have people come back to learn more about it. Hugh: Really good advice. That whole thing, Russ, about passive language- Russ is a gifted writer, as you might guess, so he pays attention to those things. There is a huge difference in how people are going to receive it. Shannon, what is this question that has been lingering out there? Shannon: Robert Green, with Think Global Start Local, says, “I am on a mission to inspire people to do more planned giving to support nonprofits in general, and one in particular. This is a sophisticated proposition. This is really about shifting people from being considered donors to meaningful donors. Is this something I can craft into a well-written press release or a story?” Absolutely, Robert. I can see a few angles with that. One is the education piece of letting people know the benefits of that, the impact they are having. There are other benefits, like tax benefits. Thinking about the education piece of the benefits. Also, if there are any meaningful stories that can be crafted around this of individuals who have done the meaningful donation, there is probably a number of angles you can take with that press release. Hugh: Thank you, Robert, for that really good question. Sometimes the donations are like a sympathy card. What we want to do. That paradigm shift he is suggesting is so important. We want meaningful supporters who make meaningful donations. I think what people want to know is what is going to happen as a result of my donation? You referenced it when you said what is the impact of the work that you do? Russ talked about it when he said earlier on about the why piece. I keep going back to that. If you have a why piece, why do people need this? To couple it with the impact, and you quote yourself and others in your organization, then they know you have the leadership ability with you and your team to actually accomplish it. There is also a rhythm of getting information out, Shannon, isn't there? You want to be covered on a regular basis so the cumulative impact is stronger than a one-time release. Shannon: This is where if I could leave individuals with anything is scheduling this as part of your operations. It is a meaningful and worthwhile and impactful way. Especially fi you are a nonprofit where you are struggling and don't have much of a marketing budget. I tell you that if you are spending anything on marketing, incorporate this free publicity piece because you can actually expand your marketing dollars even beyond that. Hopefully my story of taking an event from 500 to 2,000 people shows you the value of putting time and energy into this. I have had thousands of dollars in one particular project in publicity and am able to turn that into some great things. Please look at this as part of your operation and plan is getting that coverage on a regular basis. Sometimes you get it and they say, “This isn't going to work,” so you have to tweak the tagline. Even with an expert who has done it a number of times, most of the time, I nail it now, but as you are learning how to do this, you are building relationships and moving things forward. Yes, you should be every week spending time getting yourself out there. Hugh: I want to invite people to check out Nonprofit Performance Magazine at nonprofitperformance.org. We do useful articles. The next edition will be on boards. Shannon, if we wanted to craft a press release on the new board member or the importance of the people on our board, would that seem to be newsworthy if we have high people in our organization doing good work? Speak a minute about that. It seems self-serving or kissing up to people, but in the other sense, it is celebrating a person who has a lot of connections and a lot of value to the community, and they are putting the value into the work we are doing as a charity. Is there a press release piece around new board members or new board initiatives to celebrate the power of the board that we have? Shannon: Absolutely. I would try in your press release to keep it as singular-focused as possible. If you have six people on your board, look at doing some individually. But a new board member would be welcoming. Focusing on what their expertise is that they are bringing to the table. If they are somebody like Hugh Ballou who has been in Forbes, you can name drop. Russell: Shamelessly, at that. Hugh: I love it. I love it. Shannon: It's true. You are such a prime example of when you have had certain levels of accomplishment that are internationally recognized, those are opportunities to name drop and leverage that with your board. It's telling the story where we are welcoming this new person. Here is what they are bringing to the table. Quoting them. This is a place to quote them on the impact they are going to be leaving here. Quotes are real short and sweet. It's one sentence with you in the middle. Hugh: Love it. Think about a parting thought. Maybe there is another tip or thought you want to leave us with. Shannon, you have given us some very useful stuff in this interview, thank you so much. As we are winding down and wrapping up this hour, which has gone way too fast, what is a parting tip or thought you would like to leave people with? Shannon: I just want to share one of the biggest transformations that I see in this media kit process. That is the power of the expert power bio. I did give you the 12-step power bio at shannongronich.com/powerbio. Going through this process and creating that, I have seen this for me personally be able to get wages like an attorney. I have seen individuals get speaking gigs that they didn't necessarily get before. The expert power bio is usually one of the first places I start with people because it has the greatest impact on the results that we have in multiple areas of the nonprofit. When you are talking to donors or media, when you are looking at proposals or agreements, if you don't have that, put energy and time on that because right now, there are thousands of dollars of publicity waiting for you. There are stages waiting for you. There are radio interviews waiting for you. They just need to know who you are and why they want to pay attention. Hugh: Wise words. Russ, thank you as always for being so diligent in capturing the sound bites that matter. Shannon, thank you for sharing your wisdom with the nonprofit world. Shannon: Awesome. Thank you, Hugh, for your work. I can't say enough for how grateful I am and all the lives you have touched in my world at our events. Hugh is on our executive team, so he is just a rock star. Thank you, Hugh. And thank you, Russell. I love you, too. Russell: Good to see you again. I love this. Like I said, this book is in my office. Shameless promotion. It is best to let your friends recognize you, Shannon.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

David Corbin: Keynote Speaker, Business Adviser, President of Private and Public Corporations, Inventor, Mentor and pretty good guy…..David M. Corbin has been referred to as “Robin Williams with an MBA” because of his very practical, high relevant content speeches coupled with entertaining and sometimes side splitting stories. A former psychotherapist with a background in healthcare, he has served as management and leadership consultant to businesses and organizations of all sizes – from Fortune 20 companies to businesses with less than 1 million – and enjoys the challenges of all. He has worked directly with the Presidents of companies such as AT&T, Hallmark, Sprint as well as the Hon.Secretary of Veterans Administration and others. http://davidcorbin.com Notes from the interview: Why is it important for nonprofits to be clear about their brand? You have a brand. If you don't work at defining it, your audience will. You create an impression by your actions, intent does not stop that. Everything you do adds to the impression you create. Make believe you are always being observed and act accordingly. Audit your service by experiencing your deliverable. Would you do business with your organization? When working with people to build organization framework, when to we focus on brand promise? From the beginning. Why do we exist? Who do we serve? How do we want to be known? What do we really want? Who are we really? Everything we take on needs to fit who we are at the core! Do the Brand Audit right at the beginning(Before you deliver any services or approach anyone)! Team must be fully engaged all the way through. Quality and Clarity Determine Financial Results. Growth must start at an individual level for the organization to grow. People – The only completely renewable resource of any organization! (And the most valuable) Culture is a reflection of leadership! How Do Leaders Keep Our Internal and External Brands Fresh? Integrity – Living the values of the organization. Boss Watching – Biggest Sport! Model the behaviors the brand represents. Transformation consists of a series of small steps, often many of them! It starts with one in a row! Everything counts when it comes to integrity. Leader must lead by example. The Transcript NPC Interview with David Corbin Hugh Ballou: Greetings, this is Hugh Ballou. We are live with the Nonprofit Chat. Today, we have a guest who will bring energy to a lot of different topics tonight. David Corbin is a friend of ours. We have known each other for a number of years. This is the first time we have had a live interview, so welcome and thank you for being here. David Corbin: My pleasure. I'm happy to be a live interview. I hope the other ones weren't dead. What are you trying to say, Hugh? Hugh: You're a live one, man. I like guests to start out by telling people something interesting about yourself. Why do you do what you're doing, and what is your background that gave you… The few times you and I have had some deep conversations, I have really been impressed by the depth and breadth of wisdom that you have on these topics that you talk about. Give us a little paragraph or two about David Corbin. Who are you, and what brought you to where you are today? David: Well, I'm a human being. I'm not a speaker. I'm not an author. I'm not a doctor. I'm a human being, and I play the role of a keynote speaker, inventor, and mentor. I am a guy who loves life. What can I say? If there is a way- As I did yesterday, I had a client fly out from Mexico. The objective overall was for him to be happy, healthy, prosperous, and the like. I am the guy who likes to do that and likes to be that as the extent I can continue to learn and grow. I do all of those things. As you know, you have been in my audience, and I have been in yours. I love to share ideas from a platform. I like to consult with corporations at the highest levels and then solopreneurs. I love to run my 5K every Saturday, and I love to play tennis. I love to hang out in my backyard. I look out there, and I have chickens running around and a turtle in the pool. Life is great. Hugh: You're in San Diego, California. David: I am. Home of Tony Gwynn, the famous Padre. Today I was honored to be invited to the unveiling of his statue in our little town here. I was also with his family at Cooperstown at Baseball Hall of Fame as he was inducted with Cal Ripken. I am in southern California, San Diego. The town is called Poway. Hugh: Love it. The first time we met, we were in Lake Las Vegas, and you had just published Illuminate. You're not an author, but you write some really profound stuff. You actually were in a suit and tie that day. What inspired you to write that book, and what is it about? David: I'll tell you what it's about. It's about facing the reality of situations in our life and our business. You see, I have read the positive mental attitude literature, and I have had the honor of meeting Dr. Norman Vincent Peele and some of the luminaries in positive mental attitude. I am honored to be in the latest Think and Grow Rich book, Three Feet from Gold. Nowhere in that literature does it say ignore negative issues, that we should push them under the carpet as it were. I came to realize that my most successful clients were individuals who had the courage to face those issues, not just accentuate the positive as the song goes. But rather than eliminate the negative, I learned the key is to illuminate the negative in a model that I call “face it, follow it, and fix it.” That is what Illuminate is about. It came from the realization from practical experience, that whether it is a nonprofit, a for-profit, or a for-profit that doesn't intend to be a nonprofit but ends up that way, no matter who it is, the individuals who have the courage and the character to face the problems head-on, that is what I found to be the greatest model, and hence the title of Illuminate: Harnessing the Positive Power of Negative Thinking. Hugh: What I can count on if we are having conversations is the words coming out of your mouth are not what I can expect from anyone else, because David Corbin is one of the most creative people I have ever met. I remember when we were introducing ourselves at CEO Space one time, one person said they were a consultant, and then you came along and said, “I am an insultant,” and I said, “I'm a resultant,” and your head went, Whoosh. At least one time I one-upped you. David: It's on my website now. There is an asterisk at the bottom and says, “Maestro Hugh Ballou, genius extraordinaire.” Hugh: I am honored, David Corbin. I have not seen that. A resultant in a pipe organ is a pipe that is not as long. A sixteen-foot pipe has a certain pitch. They don't have space, so they miter it, and the result is a lower tone from a shorter pipe. We actually create a bigger result without having to be bigger ourselves. We can amplify the sound by what we do. You and I, I love this Illuminate. Two weeks ago, I talked to David Dunworth, who is also an author. He has quoted you. We talked about that. You illuminate a lot of people you maybe don't even know. It's really how we amplify what other people do. I'm just energized by the fact that you're here. You have another book that is new. You've written about brand slaughter. Is that the title? David: It is. I was just on the TV news this week talking about that. It was fun. The guy couldn't get over the title. The concept is- People create their brand based upon their values and the brand promise out to the world. They put a check off and think they're done. Don't stop there. You're either building your brand—you, your employees and everyone else in your organization—or killing it. Nothing is neutral. You are either engaged in brand integrity or engaged in what I call brand slaughter, just like manslaughter in the first, second, or third degree. We can read in the news that people are convicted of manslaughter, but you don't often see people convicted of brand slaughter, except maybe in the case of United Airlines or Pricewaterhousecooper in front of 30 million people after 87 years of great service to the Oscars. I don't know if it's brand slaughter. I think they can recoup from that. However, United Airlines is going to have a hard time coming back from that brand slaughter, wouldn't you agree? Hugh: I would. It's one that got highlighted in a series of really dumb things the airline has done. We're talking to passionate people who are providing amazing value but are limited by how people perceive us. I was talking to someone on a radio interview, and he said, “There is a charity in my area, but I quit giving because I really wasn't sure what was happening.” That is part of our brand promise, who we are and what we stand for. David: That's right. When we look at the organizations that part of our charter is to serve others in an amazing way, and there is no shortage of people in the giving field, those organizations are carrying a lot of weight for the society. They are making a promise out there. By and large, they are delivering. However, there are some actions and behaviors they either are taking or their management/leadership is taking or their front line people are taking—they are taking certain behaviors that are undermining the brand and the promise of the entire organization. It doesn't have to be that way. Look, I have had great experiences on United Airlines. I truly have. I love Gershwin, so when I hear that music, it pus me in a wonderful state. I have met some wonderful people. They are not just a group of dirtbags. However, the one person who carries the credibility and reputation of the organization pulled down the asset value of the corporation, the reputation of the corporation, and created for great humor, “United Airlines put the hospital back in hospitality,” such that Southwest Airlines came out and said, “We beat our competition, not our customers.” That kind of stuff is just going to keep going because of one guy making one bad move. I want to tell the leaders, managers, supervisors, and individuals who are carrying the torch of these organizations to do what I teach in this book called an ABI, an Audit of Brand Integrity. Have every one of your employees take a sheet of paper and write down the values, write down the brand, and then write down the touchpoints they have on a daily basis with the individuals they are touching: a customer, a fellow employee, a vendor. Everyone who is carrying that brand, and that individual looks at their touchpoints and asks themselves, “How does the brand live that touchpoint?” What could I do, what might I do, what should I do, what ought I do to really boost that brand? If the organization, let's say United Airlines because we are picking on them, but I can tell you two of them I experienced today alone. But I focus in on that one. If the CEO said, “Folks, this is our brand. We are doing a brand audit. After you do that audit, come back and tell us examples of how that brand is to live in your head. Maybe even tell us some examples of what you have observed in our organization when we have committed brand slaughter.” There is a statute of limitations. Nobody is going to get busted. But it helps us to see how the brand is alive and well and being fed and nurtured and supported, and on the other side, by the law of contrast, we can see where we have fallen down so we don't fall down that hole again. That would be an amazing solution. I implore everyone who is listening, whether you are running a nonprofit or not—maybe you are going to at some point but now you are a parent or a neighbor or a member of a church or synagogue—and ask yourself: What is your brand? How are you living that brand? I think when we get serious about this, we can't solve everything we face, but we can solve anything unless we face it. This is a way of facing the opportunity of building your brand asset value. I sound like a politician. I am David Corbin, and I endorse that message. Hugh: That's right. Your passion is contagious. Our friend from Hawaii, Eve Hogan, is watching on Facebook. We have a lot of people that we know. David, there are four million 501(c) somethings. There are 10's, 6's, 3's, and government organizations. There are all kinds of tax-exempt organizations. They are charities; they are social benefit organizations. Russell and I are on the campaign to eliminate the word nonprofit. Rather than defining ourselves by what we're not, which is not correct either—we do need to make a profit to make things happen—we are social benefit organizations. We leverage intellectual property. We leverage passion. We leverage the good works and products we have for the benefit of humankind. These nongovernmental organizations that we represent have a bigger job and more important job today than ever before. There is real confusion on the whole branding thing. I want to back up a minute to a question posted a few minutes ago. How can nonprofits eliminate their brand? But I think it's important for them to know why they even need a brand and why it is important to be clear about the brand. It's true for any organization, but we are talking to nonprofits. The reason we have top-level business leaders like you on this series is we need to understand good, sound business principles to install into these organizations that we lead. Why is branding important? How do we illuminate that into the communities that want to support us but need that information? David: Let's just say this. Whether you like it or not, you have a brand. Whether you know it or not, you have a brand. These scanners- I have a scanner over there. It's a Hewlett Packard. It doesn't compare to these scanners. *points to eyes* I have a computer that we're working through. It doesn't compare to this computer .*points to brain* Everyone is walking around with these scanners and this computer, and everything counts. Whether you acknowledge it or not, you are creating an impression from the eye to the brain to the heart to the soul of who you are and what you're doing, whether you believe in it or not. I don't know if you believe in gravity or not, but if you walk off of any building in any town of any city, you are going down. It's an immutable fact. Now, thank you for the concept of the not-for-profit. Why talk about what we're not? That was brilliant. You open up my thinking. I thank you for that. I want to let all of my service providers know that everything that you do is creating an impression, whether you believe in it or not. Could you imagine if I came out and said, “I want to talk about hygiene and important it is?” *while sniffling and rubbing his nose and eyes* That would be absurd. I happen to have a 501(c)3 for anti-bullying called Anti Bullying Leadership Experience. Everything that we do is going to be carrying our mojo of the anti-bullying. Could you imagine if I started yelling at one of my vendors and pouncing on them and playing a power trip with them? That would be the antithesis of everything. The point I want to make is make believe that you are on the stage of a microscope and you are being observed in everything that you are doing because you are. And as soon as the leaders know that, they will start looking at things differently. You drive up to the parking lot, see what the front door looks like, see how you are greeted, and you are watching everything that is going on. God is my judge, I must tell you. Hugh, you know I am putting together a little wedding party for my daughter. I was at two places today, one of which the woman didn't show up to the appointment, and she needed to call me back, and she didn't later. One was a very famous place called L'Auberge Del Mar. It's five-star. When I called to make a room reservation there, I was there for seven and a half minutes before I even found someone. I eventually called the manager who called me back. I said, “I'm going to give you a gift. I would like you to call and try to make a room reservation and get the experience of what that's like.” She did. She called me back and goes, “My goodness, Mr. Corbin. I had no idea.” We need to audit all of these activities. Our service organizations, which do not have an unlimited budget that a lot of corporations might have today, must be efficient, must be effective. The best consultation you can get is from yourself experiencing your deliverables and that which it is you are bringing to the market. I just think that we don't have a lot of wiggle room for error. There is a wonderful book by Andy Grove who started a little company called Intel. You probably haven't heard of it. Andy wrote a book called Only the Paranoid Survive. I don't think he is suggesting that we walk around paranoid. I think he is suggesting a strong and deep introspection into what we are doing and how we are doing it. I want to punch that home. Please, please for the benefit of all whom you are serving and whom you could serve in the future, take this message seriously. Know that you have a brand. Live that brand. Make sure that everyone in your auspices know how they live that brand. Hugh: Those are wise words. Mr. Russell Dennis is capturing sound bites. He is very good at picking out things, and you have given him a lot of fresh meat today. David, you work with a variety of different kinds of clients, some of whom you and I both know. When you are working with them on building out the whole framework of the organization they are launching and growing, at what point do you hone in on this brand image, brand promise, brand identity? At what point in this process do you focus on that aspect? David: I believe strongly with begin in the end in mind. It's more than rhetoric. If you are a service organization, really ask the penetrating questions. 1) Why do we exist, and do we need to exist? 2) Who do we serve, and how do we serve them? 3) How do we want to be known? 4) What do we want somebody to yell over to the fence to their neighbor about our organization? When you have that, you work backwards from that. Business planning takes the existing business and carries it out into the future, but strategic planning envisions the future and works backwards from there. I take a deep dive of visualization. Actually, as you know, I am a graduate of Woodstock. I was there in 1969. So I can say not just visualization, but hallucination. I can really hallucinate on those questions. I just was in front of an audience in Atlanta and said, “What do you want? What do you really want?” I say that to businesses as I do strategic planning. Who are you? Who are you really? Then you know all of that. That is when you contemplate for your brand promise and the reputation that you want to earn because you can't demand it. Then when you do that, you get the confidence to move forward. You now have the gristmill, and everything must go through that. How does it go against our brand? Should we do that? Great, tell us how it fits into our brand. When someone does something that is off-target, how did that dent our brand, and what can we do to prevent that from happening again? In direct answer to your question, do this brand audit right form the get-go. I promise you not only does it give individuals a sense of ownership, but it gives them a sense of confidence because nobody wants to mess it up. In Europe, they take it down to the bottom line. When you ding the brand, you are actually pilfering money from the organization. Isn't that something? Imagine if we really own the brand. No one changes the oil when we rent a car because they don't have ownership. When people know what the brand is in their hands, they take ownership. What happens is when you collaborate with your people, you breed creativity and commitment. Now they are engaged, they are enrolled. Nothing can stop a service organization with passionate, engaged people. That is why I plug what you're doing, Hugh. Hugh: Thank you for that, David. That is such a vivid description of how we can upgrade our performance and upgrade the performance of the organization that we have a huge responsibility for as the leader. Perceiving ourselves as the leader doesn't mean we have to do everything. It does mean we need to be involved in the grassroots of what is going on so we can know what is actually happening. And what you talked about brings to mind that we build relationship with others in the organization. To me, that is the foundation of leadership, and it is also the foundation of communications. You gave the gift to the hotel manager that she didn't have because she was too busy doing the top-level things to get into the minutiae and figure out, Whoa, how do we look to the public? You could go to any big company in America and help them do an audit, and it would bring them immense value, probably within the first 30 seconds of your conversation. Part of what you described is part of this word that you have used, which is such a brilliant framing of how we- Everybody in Synervision is a leader. We lead from different perspectives, and we impact everybody else in the organization. We also represent the brand. We don't know who is going to go wild, like United Airlines. That was such a terrible thing for everybody, but it highlighted an underlying problem. Brand slaughter was what brought it to the fore. I bet that cost United a whole lot of money so far, not to mention future business. Let's take it back to the charities. We are doing work that impacts people's lives, sometimes saving people from drug addition or suicide or insanity. There are a lot of worthy things we are doing. We have elements going on that kill the brand. I love it when you talk about this brand slaughter thing. I'd like to put it back into context in what we're doing with this world of charities and how we need to contain this brand and empower our tribes to represent the brand and not be guilty of brand slaughter. Give us a little more food for thought, especially for charities. I work with churches, synagogues, community foundations, semi-government agencies. I find there is a similarity with everybody, that we are not aware of how the culture is represented by the people, and that brand slaughter is committed in minor ways, but also in bigger ways. I am going to shut up now and let you talk about brand slaughter and why that is so crucial for our charities. David: I look at it this way. I believe that the financial results of any organization is largely dependent on the quality of its people and the clarity of its people. Be it a service organization or otherwise, I believe everyone in the organization should create a circle. I don't mean hands holding. I mean draw a circle, a wheel with a hub and spokes. Every one of those spokes is an essential core job function for that person. If it's a leader, we know some of the spokes are delegation, communication, strategic thinking, and financial management. Those are all spokes. Whatever the position is, if you're an operating room nurse or a development manager for a service organization, you create that wheel and look at the spokes. When you do, you start rating yourself on those spokes. The hub means you're terrible. Outside at the end is a number ten. That is mastery. You get real serious with whoever you are, whatever your job is, and rate yourself on a scale of zero to ten. Where you are an eight or nine, great, pat yourself on the back. That is really cool. But don't stop there. Unfortunately, Americans tend to stop at the immediate gratification. Look at what I'm doing great. We say no. Focus in on the threes, fours, and fives. Set a goal to a six, eight, and nine, and close those gaps. I say that to my brothers and sisters who work in the serious world of service delivery. I mean what we would call service providers and not-for-profits or whatever you want to call them. When you get serious, and you rate yourself on a scale of one to ten in those areas, and you start closing those gaps, magic happens. You know what the magic is? You start building a momentum of growing yourself. You can't grow an organization unless the individuals are growing themselves. You show me an organization that does what I'm talking about: closing the gaps, setting personal goals, and getting more efficient and effective in what they do. I don't care if their building burns down; they could accomplish their mission in a tent. They could do it with dirt floors. They could do it anywhere. The saying is, “Wherever two or more people are gathered in His name, there is love.” Let me tell you. Whenever you have a leadership team and a management team that talks about building their people, the only renewable asset in an organization, no matter what happens, they will win. Every one of the employees increases their asset value. You invoke the law of control. People feel good about themselves in the extent they are moving in the direction of destiny. Their confidence goes up. Their competence goes up. People talk about going down the rabbit hole. Now you are going up this amazing spire into success, achievement, productivity, confidence, peace of mind, and self-esteem. I am passionate about that because I have seen it work. I help it work. I live it myself. I couldn't talk about it if I didn't live it, or else that would be a form of brand slaughter. Hugh: I can validate that. You live out the David Corbin brand. You illuminate the brand. Or you don't do it. You are very serious about being spot-on. You show up fully present. I have been doing the German ice cream thing. I am being Häagen-Dazs Mike. Russell, do you have a comment or a question for our guest tonight? Russell Dennis: It's a lot easier to tear a brand apart than it is to put it together. Look at United. Those guys have been around forever and a day. And in the space of a day, they have torn the whole thing down and trashed a lot of good wealth. It's very easy. Brand is about- it goes beyond a logo. People think of a logo when they think of a brand. It's not the logo; it's what is behind the logo that symbolizes something. I am going to pull a definition out of a book that a very wise man wrote, “The brand as is a tangible expression of top-performing culture comes to life when the elements including the mission are taken off the wall and put into daily action at all levels and through all individuals in the organization.” That is a big mouthful. Hugh: Who is the wise person that wrote that? Russ: Just some guy who is sitting around while we chat. Hugh: David Corbin wrote that. Russ: Brand slaughter, to me, is the ultimate thing. To say this is what we stand for and do something completely different. I think there are some people out there who are scrutinizing and are waiting for somebody to make a mistake. I have seen people do that. You run into those folks in a supermarket. People don't intentionally set out to fail, but it happens. These are things that are talked about in the Core Steps to Building a Nonprofit course. When it's building that foundation, they could lay all those things out. The time to figure out your brand is right at the outset. Who do we serve? What is in our wheelhouse? What do we have? What are we weak at? Where are our gaps? I think you have to hammer those strengths and work with them, but when you have a gap, that is where your recruiting starts. You recruit your advisors, you recruit your board. Or you look for collaborative partners. But you find a way to do it that will stay because everything rides on it. You have to have it all in place. You have to have a solid foundation to start making those plans and do the things that you want to do first. What are we going to do first? There is a big vision. I have been working with Sue Lee. We had a great conversation yesterday. I have also been working with Dennis Cole on his foundation. We are looking at some potential sponsors. We have got some things that we are going to be doing really soon that are interesting, but we are ready to break out and go out there and be a service to people by telling them they don't have to succumb to any bad circumstances they have because of an injury or major illness. You can work around that. The whole brand is about living that and walking that walk. These are pretty courageous young men I am proud to be helping. Hugh: Part of that course where you talked about- David, Russell is helping people bring in revenue to their so-called nonprofits/charities. There is a relevance. Russ, I'd like to get David weigh in on the relevance of this branding and attracting revenue, the income that we really need that is the profit that runs our charity. Russell, I'll bring it back to you in a minute, but you had illuminated some things that I wanted to get David to weigh in on. There is a monetary equivalent to the integrity in our brand that you talked about earlier. David: Yeah. Just as in the strategic planning you are asking yourself who are we serving and why are we serving and how are we serving, when you look at the individuals you are appealing to in business development, you say, “Hey, contribute to us. Support us.” When we are looking at that, we then need to reverse-engineer that. That is what I do in my visualization/hallucination. Why are they contributing? What have they contributed to before? What are they contributing to? What is going to make them feel good? How do they know they are contributing to the right organization after they contribute so they might want to contribute again? When you contemplate the psychology of that, much like you look into why people invest into businesses, you think about those donors. Then you know that the emotional connection- You guys have heard me talk about the mojo factor or the God only knows factor. Why are you contributing to them year after year? God only knows. Would you consider not contributing to them or contributing to someone else? Absolutely not. Why? God only knows. They are not sure what that emotional connection is, but you know the emotional connection. In my case, with the anti-bullying, we are looking at the ramifications of some of these young souls who have been bullied and how it impacts their lives. Individuals who are donating to that might have experienced some bullying before and know the pain they went through, as well as the imaginations throughout their life. We know that now, so we know what the mojo factor is to get that individual to know who we are, what we do, and how and why they might want to invest. When that becomes our brand, when they can see it and feel it and taste it and touch it, which it to say there is energy between what we are doing and what we are saying, from the logo and the color and the actions and our behaviors and our sounds, then when we have that going on, we have this awesome connection. Years ago, some of us are old enough to know about Ma Bell. Remember Ma Bell? And then a company came in called Sprint and they wanted to break that God only knows connection, that amazing connection between Ma Bell. Sprint came in and said. It was MCI. They said, “We are going to beat the price,” and Ma Bell came out and said, “Oh yeah? Make them put it in writing.” Ma Bell, you don't talk like that. Ma? They broke that bond, you see. That is just an example of breaking a bond. When it comes to our organizations who are listening today, the bond is that promise. The two great things that my friend Russell just discussed are 1) it's a lot easier to kill a brand than to build a brand. That is so true. And secondly, among other things Russell shared, there are some people out there who are looking for you to mess up. There is an individual looking for the rabbi to have a ham sandwich. There is an individual who is looking for the such-and-such the wrong way. They are looking for that. Why? Because it is easier to find the fault in others than to take the personal responsibility to build themselves. So when you know that, don't be paranoid. But be a little paranoid and know they are watching you. Not only are people scanning you from a neutral point of view, and those scanning you from a positive point of view, but there are also those naysayers who are looking for you to be hypocritical. They are looking for you to mess up. That is when I say have everybody lockstep in knowing what is our promise and behaving that way. You can't go after fund development and not be the brand, or you are wasting your time. Hugh: Whoa. So Russell, I have interrupted you. Were you formulating a question? We are two thirds of the way through our interview, and we are getting into the nitty-gritty. Did you have a really hard question to stump our guest with tonight? Russ: There is no stumping David. It just follows in with what I was saying. The fourth step of building a high-performance nonprofit is to be able to communicate that value that you bring to everybody you come into contact with. You have people that work in the organization. You have donors. You have people who get your services. You need to know how to do it with everyone. With people who are working with you internally, you have to set an expectation so people know exactly what they are signing up for. Understand that you are not everybody's flavor, but you are some people's flavor. When you talk to organizations or donors or people who are going to support you, here is the reality of anything you undertake: There is going to be some risk associated. If you walk in and tell them, “Everything is going to be peachy,” when you are in the service mind-frame or an entrepreneur, we can be hopeless optimists a lot of times. It has been my experience that a lot of things take twice the money, time, and effort they are going to take because we go in with those good intentions. We have to be fully transparent, especially if we discover we have some problems or snags implementing the project. The time to talk about that is as soon as you discover it and look at it and say, “Well, we may not be where we quite want to be.” Up front, transparent. Illuminate as David has talked about. That is a book that is on my shelf. I love that book. I read the thing in one sitting. A lot of people want to cover up. Or human egos want to make us look good. When we are in the business of trying to help people with some serious societal problems, you have to get the ego out of the way. That is hard to do. It makes it difficult to get organizations to collaborate or talk to one another. I have seen a lot of that, too. My philosophy is that you can get a hell of a lot done if you are not hung up on who gets the credit. It is an uphill climb often, but I think the landscape is changing a little bit. People are going into business with a socially benefited mind. They create business structures like the LLC and the B-corp and the benefit corporations. We are seeing a lot of these social enterprises crop up. People can not only make a profit but can also do some good. It's all about doing some good, but there are certain things we have to look at. It has to be run efficiently and effectively, but it doesn't matter what your tax stamp says. Hugh: There is a comment on Twitter: “Doing what you love, loving whom you serve, believing that your nonprofit is vital. I knew too many whose hearts aren't in…” That's interesting. David, do you want to respond to Russ before we go to the final set of questions here? David: Well, a couple things that come to mind. Something that you had said earlier, Hugh, and something that Russell just said. I'll start with Russell. Yes, you need to face the issue. Face a lot of issues. Look at what happened. Happily, there will be lemonade coming out of this lemon on the United Airlines. Not for that doctor, but he will get a huge settlement. That is not what he wanted. I think the industry is shifting now. I read somewhere that Southwest Airlines has changed their model around overselling seats. Sometimes it takes this type of situation for people to learn, and then they shift. A lot of people don't really appreciate their life or family until God forbid maybe a near-death experience, and that is what wakes them up. I say practice safety in driving before then, don't wait for a near-death experience. Start contemplating for the potential issues or challenges that might happen in your organization before it happens. That is the part of roleplaying what could/might happen. What could possibly happen in this situation? Those are the types of things. Don't be a negative nelly. Don't get me wrong. The government has something called Sarbanes-Oxley that says the corporation has the fiduciary responsibility to anticipate, predict, and prepare for a natural disaster. It makes good sense. You don't have to mandate that to me as a business owner. Of course, if I am manufacturing a car, I want to make sure that if the person who creates my rearview mirrors goes down, I am still going to be able to meet the needs of my organization, my shareholders, my staff, my employees. Of course I am going to do that. I don't need regulation. For crying out loud, I don't even need the Americans with Disabilities Act, which is to provide reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities. For crying out loud, that is just good sense. It is just good sense. Plus it is the right thing to do. But be that as it may, we need to face the issue before it happens. Oh by the way, be prepared for facing the issue after it happens. So Mr. President of United Airlines, anticipate if a problem goes down how you are going to handle it. Don't say he was only following procedure. There was a guy in Nazi Germany who used to say that, too. I was just following procedure. I hate to make an extreme example, but I make a point following procedure. Following procedure, pulling a guy off, breaking his teeth. Come on. To say that is just ridiculous. What Pricewaterhouse did after they had a big brouhaha in front of 33 million people, they had 87 years of doing the job really well. What happened after that is they came back and apologized. They said Mea culpa. Just like the Japanese corporate executives did if a plane goes down, they resign. They take personal responsibility. But what Pricewaterhouse did is they said: It was our responsibility, and we apologize. We are looking into it. We want to congratulate those people on camera, including Jimmy Kimmel, for handling it elegantly. Even bringing a little humor into it. We apologize from the bottom of our hearts—I am paraphrasing here—and we will get to the bottom of this. We will let you know what happens so it never happens again. You see, that ding wasn't brand slaughter. It was kind of like getting a ticket for tinted windows or a light being out. I believe we are going to forgive them after a while, but it will be hard to forgive United Airlines after they issued responsibility and took that cheap ticket out. I'm piggybacking off some of the comments you made earlier. I think it's an important point. Anticipate what can go wrong. It doesn't require legislation for that; it requires common sense. Then practice. Practice so it comes out naturally. Sir Lawrence Olivier said the key to acting is spontaneity, which is the result of long, hard, tedious practice. I say practice. Hugh: I could hear you talk all night, David. I think people would be with us this long. There are people listening to you with lots of focus. We could all reframe our own leadership. The question we threw out for people to think about is from the leadership position. My forty years of conducting, I know that what the orchestra and the choir sees is what I get. The culture is a reflection of our leadership. Representing the brand internally helps them represent the brand externally. My question to you is, in this whole spirit of illuminating- I don't know about you, but I find some leaders who have more blind spots than awareness on the impact they are having on the brand externally and internally. You can do your own inventory, but I don't think we can. We need to illuminate with some outside, impartial person asking us the right questions. David, how can a leader, especially one that has been in a position for a while, keep it fresh and illuminate our own representation of our brand internally and externally? David: I think it's about integrity. Integrity is a powerful word. It's thrown around. But integrity, the leader living the values of the business. I can't ask you to do what I'm not willing to do. They say one of the biggest sports in life is soccer, but I don't think that's true. I think the biggest sport in life is boss-watching. Seriously. I really think that. They set the culture. They set the pace. To the extent they are leading with honor and integrity, with the values and behaviors and all. I talk about illuminate, face it, follow, and fix it. One time, instead of getting out of the shower and running past the mirror, I stopped. I didn't quite like what I saw, and I saw a guy who was 40-50 pounds overweight. I thought, My goodness. How dare I talk about illuminate if I don't face it. I faced it. I am asking everyone, every leader, to face: Are you living in integrity? I followed it. I found out why I was gaining weight. I was having a glass of wine or two every night, and it brought my blood sugar down. I would eat anything that was there. There are sardines and chocolate syrup. Looks great! And then I'd go to sleep. I didn't realize I was training to be an athlete. There is an athlete who drinks alcohol and eats a lot of food at night, and that athlete is called a sumo wrestler. I was training to be a sumo wrestler. I couldn't be a leader of Illuminate and be that hypocritical. The fix it was to take small steps and make some transformation. I ask my leaders, my brothers and sisters who are leaders, to get serious. I walked into an association that has to do with diabetes, and I saw a big Coke machine there. I look at some of our organizations who are in the health industry, and they are not healthy. I did a lot of work with a company. I won't tell you the name of it, but it rhymes with Schmaiser Permanente. They are talking about their model called Thrive. And I look at some of their employees, and they are out of integrity. I say, “Don't talk about thrive. You are better off saying nothing. When I see the word ‘thrive' and see people who are grossly unhealthy, I know you are hypocritical. I wonder where else you are cutting corners. I don't like that.” Everything counts. Everything counts. I scan, I think, I feel. Maybe below the line of consciousness. But if it is not in integrity, I am not donating my time and my money to you. I am going to move on to someone who is. Any business, any organization, the leader must lead by example. When she falls down, she says, “Mea culpa. You know what. I fell down. I apologize for that. Here is my plan.” The feminization of business today is so important. Authenticity comes with that, and a lot of drive. When we have the character to say, “Whoops, I messed up, wow, that is a big difference,” that is leadership. Leadership is real. Vulnerability, authenticity, those are just words. They are being overused, but they are real. Get serious about that. Hugh: You are preaching our song. We preach that leadership is influence. We get to choose if we influence positively or negatively. Those are good parting words, but I am going to give you the chance to do a wish or thought or tip for people as we leave. I want to recognize that they can go to davidcorbin.com. David Corbin leaps over tall buildings. Do you really run a 5K every Sunday? David: Every Saturday when I am in town. Hugh: Wow. And you went to Woodstock? You know who else was there? David: My brother David Gruder. Hugh: Yes, he was at Woodstock. You and I are contemporaries. I am a little older than you are. I have never had anybody on this interview series take a sound bite from Rhapsody in Blue. He is a modern-day Renaissance man with many skills. David Corbin, you are indeed a blessing to a lot of people, but tonight, to Russ and me for sharing this great stuff with so many charities. As we are winding up this really powerful interview, David, what is a parting thought or tip you'd like to leave with these amazing leaders that are making such a difference in people's lives? David: I would express my gratitude for their passion, for their hard work. It is difficult today. Service organizations, it seems as though they are being told to jump through hoops and then they make the hoops smaller and then they set the hoops on fire. It's not easy. We need to attract people to volunteer and donate and work for our noble mission. Every morning, I wake up. My hands and knees are on the ground like our Muslim brothers, and I give thanks and gratitude every single morning. I want to give gratitude to those of you who are taking the rein and doing this amazing work, this social work. I thank you for that. I deeply hope that some of these ideas might help you be more effective, more efficient, and more joyous and confident in what you do. Thank you for what you do. Hugh: David Corbin, special words indeed. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with so many people. Your words will live on. Thanks so much for being with us. David: Thanks, brother. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Click above to listen in iTunes... The "Re-Epiphany" I Had While At Breakfast with Russell Brunson Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio, where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. And now, here's your host, Steve Larsen. What's going on everyone? I've been trying to be more consistent in these podcasts. There's so many cool things going on right now. I wish I could capture it all and show you things that are going on, so many awesome little masterminds I've had with Russell lately, with lots of people, and it's been really, really fun to just learn and glean from other people. It's just been great. I've really enjoyed it, and it's been fun to, you know, like when you get in flow? You know what I mean? You get in state? Anyway, it's been cool, especially today. It's kind of funny ... So Russell and I have just been burning the midnight oil like crazy for the last couple months here, and it's been really, really fast and that's part of the reason why I can't do any kind of funnel building for anyone else anymore. What we're doing is so fast paced. It's almost out of self preservation... I mean, I really can't handle it that much more, to be honest, and, like I said last episode, we got a house, and I'm super excited about that. It's been a lot of fun to start making those preparations and things like that... But, anyway, it's been cool to ... Over the last few months, we were kind of redoing the front end of ClickFunnels together. I mean, like crazy. It's been a whole lot of fun. Russell had me go through tons and tons of quizzes, and I started noticing these patterns in how people were doing their quizzes. I promise that there's a point to this whole story, okay? Just follow me on this path, all right? Because I had this really cool thought today, and I was like, "Oh my gosh. I've got to podcast that. That was so awesome. I've got to share this." So just bear with me a little bit. This is going to sound crazy and sound random, but I promise there's a point coming to it. It's kind of fun, because we sit down and Russell and I were talking about different cool things we could do for the new front end of ClickFunnels. We wanted people who didn't know what ClickFunnels is, or didn't know what sales funnels are, or didn't know hardly what internet marketing is. We wanted those people, who don't know marketing, who don't know all that stuff, to be able to go to the front page of ClickFunnels and go, "Oh my gosh. Like, that's what this is?" We're trying to close the education gap and make that bridge even smaller so people get it ... Faster, you know, just super cool tool... You guys obviously know I'm a huge advocate of it. Someone asked me if I'm a partner. I said, "No, not yet, but hopefully someday." I want to lead down that path sometime, but anyway ... So we've been talking all this stuff, right? We've had all these different events. I'm helping prepare the FHAT event. That's F-H-A-T, Funnel Hackathon, right, and Russell's, he's put me in charge of that. I've built out and created what's called the secrets master class. It's been really fun, just fast pace, you know? We were talking to somebody, and they're like, "Is it always this crazy?" And I was like, "You know what? It's always really intense, but there's been this extra flavor of intensity since like, you know, October, November timeframe." It just seems like the heat really turned up. I was finishing a whole bunch of funnels for Funnel Hacker TV, which is going to come out soon, and I think we're going to get it here on Netflix soon, too, which is so cool! I'm gonna be on Netflix! Really excited about that... Anyways, that's what the plan is, anyway, and we figured out, we think, how to do it. And you guys will get to see ... I think it's like eight different episodes for that. It's just been really fast. You know, really, really intense. I feel like I'm looking up and going, "Wow! Three months just went by!" You know what I mean? Look up again, "Oh my gosh! That was half of a year!" And I've almost been with ClickFunnels for a full year now, which is super awesome. Anyway, it's been great. But it's kind of interesting, because I was drinking tons of caffeine to keep up with the pace. Russell was too. Just, we were kind of trashing our bodies, to be honest. There were so many reasons why I stopped building funnels on the side for other people... And that was another one of the reasons, is that I was just like, "Man, I'm not taking care of myself very well." It really started affecting me mentally, and I could tell. And Russell could tell it was doing it to him as well, and I was like, "Ugh." So we decided to do a three day juice fast cleanse. And any time Russell has any idea like that, sometimes it's like this little lurch inside me, like, "Oh, crap. This is gonna be awful. Ugh." He wants me to do colonics and stuff. I don't know if I can hack that. I'm like, "Nah, man. And if I was to go do that, I'm not gonna go with you to do that." Anyway, it's been kinda funny. So, we've been on this three day juice fast, and today was the last day. We were gonna do four days, but just so much has been going on. We're such low-energy. You basically drink juice every single day. We got it from this certain place that prepares it for us every day, and I go pick it up on my motorcycle every morning, and I bring it to both of us. We'll have a green drink together and then these wheat grass shots, and every two hours you drink another 16 ounces of a different juice. Like beet juice, to cleanse the liver. You know? It's got ginger in it, and all this other stuff. Other greens, and things like that. Another one's coconut water. Another one's almond milk. Another one's back to wheat grass juice. Back to grapefruit juice, all over the ... Anyways, it's actually a lot. It actually was more work to continue drinking that stuff than I thought so, you know? I had to do over and over and over again. It was fine, like, the first half of the day, and then I got really hungry, obviously. I started feeling it, getting headaches, things like that, about 24 hours in. And that kinda stayed that way, kind of low-energy, for the next 24 hours, but the third day was actually pretty easy for me. But Russell's really feeling it, because he was only sleeping like four hours a night this last little bit here... And he ... I could just tell, he's really struggling. And I was hungry, and today was the last day, and we made it halfway through the day, and he turns over ... We were rebuilding the front end of ClickFunnels, and I was finishing things with funnel hacks ... Anyway, we were updating lots of stuff, lots of products, to get ready for the book launch. And he turns to me, and I can just tell he's dragging, full dark circles under his eyes. And he's like, "Dude. I have got to eat!" And I was like ... Because these juice fasts are like 900 calories a day, and I was like, "Man, I'm not gonna be lifting during this." And he's like, "Dude, you have to! Make it even harder!" And I was like, "No." But he's been up, a lot, and anyway ... So he was like, "What do you want to eat, man? Does breakfast sound good?" I was like, "Sure." And it was the middle of the day. So we went and we had IHOP, and we were with Winter Jones. He helps us do some of our coding and things like that, and design work, things like that, which has been awesome. The three of us just kinda crank all of that along, and we get a lot of stuff done. It's been fun... Full sprint, which, you know, is not out of the norm for us... But, we get in the car, and Russell's driving, we're going down to IHOP ... And I know how to code a little bit, and Winter obviously is a pretty hardcore coder, and I know design, and Winter knows some design. He's very good at that also. And I know funnel stuff ... You know what I mean? And Russell kept saying, "Man, I wish I had those kinds of skills." And I thought, "That's interesting that you say that." And I said, "Well, it's okay. You've got other skill." And he's like, "No, no, no. It's totally fine. I get it. My skill has always revolved around getting other people to do the things that I can't or don't want to do, and that's how I've grown everything so fast. And that's how I move so fast." And I was sitting back, and I don't think he realized what he had said. I mean, he realized, obviously, but the impact that it had on me. I was sitting back there and I was thinking, "How interesting. How interesting that-" And we're both foggy brained, we're both feeling it from the three day juice fast thing. We're trying to cleanse and get out of our caffeine ways, trying to be more healthy and take care of ourselves, things like that. And we're going to have our first meal in a long time ... But my mind was racing... I was like, "That's so interesting, because I've had the same kinds of thoughts before that." I didn't learn how to code in school. I didn't learn how to build stuff in school. I didn't learn, really, sales, very well. I mean, there was a sales class, but it wasn't very good. It was only a couple weeks, too. It was like two or three weeks. How can you ... Sales turns all of the economy in the entire world. How are we not spending more time on this in business marketing degrees? But, anyway ... And everything, I'm self-taught, you know? I've just pushed my own way through. I was sitting there, and I was listening to him, and I thought, "Gosh, that's really interesting." And it reminded me of an experience that I had had. And I think I've shared this with you, but I'm not quite sure if I have or not, so I thought I would. There was this time I was playing ... This is gonna sound so stupid, okay? And I know what my next podcast is gonna be, and this kind of story will make more sense when you hear the next podcast. But we used to go to a gym, like basketball gym, where these two gyms in our church, side by side. But we'd turn over all the tables, and we'd bring in dozens and dozens of tennis balls. We'd split into two teams, and we would play dodge ball with tennis balls. It's slightly stupid, you know? But it was so much fun, because you really didn't want to get hit. I mean, you'd get welts sometimes. And people would get black eyes from getting hit in the face and the eyes. It was intense. You'd go sprinting as fast as you could from table to table, playing dodge ball with tennis balls... I remember that there was this time that ... And you guys are gonna think, "Why would you say something like this on Sales Funnel Broker?" Well, I'm gonna tell you why. Bear with me. It's been nine, ten minutes now. I'm still going full circle. It's been a long circle, but there's a really strong point to this, and I want to make it, because I've had several people ask, "I wish you could do this. I wish you could do this. I'm not good at this part." I was like, "So what?" Anyway, back to the story. So, we're playing dodge ball with tennis balls, and there was probably 20 or 30 of us. I mean, we'd get a big group of people together. It hurt. It was a lot of fun though. These balls just go whizzing by your face, and it was pretty close quarters. But we'd throw as hard as we could at each other on purpose, and it was really fun. But there was this time that we got there ... Because we did this for months and months, every week. There was this time we got together, and everyone was just kinda sitting around and talking and stuff, but I really wanted to play. I was trying to get everybody together to play. And I was like, "Come on guys! Come on! Let's do this together! Here, let's do this! Here, let's do this! Come on! Where's the team? Who's the team captains?" Like, whatever it is, let's split down the middle. Whatever, I just want to play. You know? And I kept walking around, and I felt like nobody was hearing me. It was really frustrating. I didn't understand why. All of the sudden, this guy, who was really tall ... And we're talking like 6'6', 6'7'. Super tall, big big big guy. He turns around, and he goes, "All right! Let's just do this!" It was like he barely said it, and everybody in the huge gym heard it, stood up, and walked over. And I was like, "What on earth just happened?" I was almost mad. So I was like, "I've been trying to get everyone to start for like 15 minutes! Why did this take so long?" And I was like, "Whatever." I kinda just sat back, and I was like, "I'm gonna just watch." I remember, I really like to observe people, and I really like watching them and observing behavior. You know what I mean? I've always been that way. So anyway, I sat back and I watched, and this guy, in like a matter of two minutes, organized the whole thing, and we got going. And I said, "How was this guy able to do it that fast and not me?" I didn't understand it. It was really confusing me. It actually really bothered me... And I realized that there are some talents and skills that people just uniquely have, that I don't. And that's okay. And there were things that I was really good at, and I knew he was not good at. It was true for everybody in the gym there. And I was like, "Huh." I remember immediately thinking ... You guys are gonna laugh at this. But I used to walk around and carry a black notebook with me, and a pen. And any time I'd have a business idea, or any time I would have any kind of what I would think was inspiration, or some kind of thing that could bless me financially, or whatever. I had a notebook, and every time I had one, I would write it down. If it was a stupid idea, if it was a great idea, whatever. I should go find that thing and read you guys some of the ideas, because some of them are pure crap. But that's not the point. The point is, I was just trying to always be in a state of flow. I was trying to constantly come out and say, "Okay. Here's this cool black notebook, and I'm ready to just have ideas. I'm ready to pursue stuff." I was always trying to be in this mental state of productivity, and execution, and, "What can I do next?" And looking for opportunity. I did that for a very long time, almost two years. It was cool. It was almost like it trained my brain, almost, to look for opportunity and see what was good, and see what was bad, and come back to it two weeks later and realize, "Wow, that was a stupid idea. Oh wow, this one might actually have potential." You know, and look at it from fresh eyes or share it with other people. I didn't hide my ideas. I started sharing with other people. I mean, there was all sorts of ... Tons of ideas. Tons of them. I almost got into condiments once. Tons and tons of stuff. A lot of you guys will know, I actually was trying to start a diamond company. We found some cool suppliers for that, and custom ring design jewelry. Really huge stuff... And a lot of it had to do with that notebook, and a lot of it had to do with me realizing that there was all these skills around me. When that happened in the gym, we were playing dodge ball with tennis balls, I realized, "Oh my gosh! That is the secret to everything! I do not have to be the best at everything." It was such a freeing thing to realize, okay? And that's what Russell was saying in the car, while we were going along. He told me. He's like, "I don't have to be the best at everything! I don't have to be the best at this. I don't have to be the best." And that's what I was realizing in the gym. That was like seven years ago that I realized that. I remember the distinct thought. I wrote it in that note book. "I do not have to be good at everything. All I need to be good at is orchestrating others' talents. My job is to be the orchestrator." And that's what I wrote, "I am the orchestrator. I'm the guy standing in front of the band or the choir or whatever. I'm the guy just putting it all together, and that's what I'm gonna be the best in the world at." I'm gonna be the best in the world at funnel building. I gotta be good at sales. You gotta be good at sales, but then that's kind of it. You don't even have to be that good at building funnels! You could have someone else do it. Lots of people in Russell's inner circle don't actually ever use ClickFunnels, ever. They have other people build their stuff for them. The only reason why I wanted to bring this up, and I know it took a while to get there, but hopefully you have this huge "Aha!" with me that I had like seven years ago and revisited today ... Anyway, it just hit me right between the eyes again. If you guys are struggling, and you feel like you are taking forever to actually produce and launch something, my guess is that you think you need to take everything on yourself. You need to stand out, and you feel like you have to be the best in the world at every little thing... Best in the world at putting a picture up, at headlines, at copy, at videos, at video editing, at sound editing, at hooking up the emails, at doing the email automation, right? Putting domains up, getting hosting, DNS records. I mean, there is so much that goes into it, all right? ClickFunnels makes it so freaking easy, way easier than it ever was. But it is still technical, right? And it creates this huge barrier, and lots of people will stand back and go, "Oh my gosh! There's so much to do!" It's like, "Yeah, but you don't have to do it alone!" And then some people will be like, "Well, I want to do it alone so I can keep all the profits." I actually understand that. I get that, but ... Shoot, use freelancer.com! I mean, you guys have seen salesfunnelbroker.com, right? Half the images in there I didn't make. I went to freelancer.com and created a contest, and had people who love doing that, and that's what gets them going. They're the ones that did it for me, right? I built Sales Funnel Broker, but I didn't do all the images. I didn't do all the little pieces here. There's a lot I didn't do. I did make my own podcast intro and outro, because I love that, and I did a lot of sound editing in high school ... Anyway, I'm obsessed with music. I'm super excited to go to concerts this summer. It's gonna be awesome. Anyways, ADD brain coming back to it. But that's the whole thing I wanted to say, is that we were coming off this three day juice fast, and it was awesome, but this crazy huge epiphany came in, again, like, "Oh man!" There's a few projects that I have been wanting to get done, that I kind of have been thinking ... There are some aspects that I do need to do on my own, because I'm trying to build my own brand. I know a lot of you guys are trying to do that for yourself as well, and that's awesome. But just know that you do not need to do it all alone! Like, go find a copy writer. Go find someone who's good at the funnel building if you don't want to do that. Go find someone who's good at the images. Just orchestrate it. You don't have to have all the pieces, or all the positions filled to start. Just start! Just get it done! Just move! Take ridiculous, massive, imperfect action. Anyway, super cool. Sorry, I feel like I'm blabbing now. But I just hope that you guys understand, and I've had it shoved into my head again, I hope you guys understand the incredible power that it is to not be tied to every single task in your business. You will die like that... I am begging you to only be attached to the tasks that bring revenue into the company. If the task does not bring revenue into the company, do not be in charge of it! Okay? I still sit down next to ... I did that today. I still sit down next to Russell and I say, "Dude, give me your hardest stuff! Whatever's giving you the most pressure in your life right now, whatever funnel, whatever project, whatever it is that you are not looking forward to doing, you just throw it right at me." And that's seriously one of the ways I've grown value in ClickFunnels so fast... I haven't even been on there a year yet! But it's because I made that habit, right? So I knew what tasks I could take on, because I was living on the revenue side of business. I've ranted about this before as well, but it's all tied in to that. Whatever you do, be the best at it, but then don't worry about all the other stuff... Hire it out, and try and do things that are only tied to revenue. If you can do that ... And that might mean that you need to go develop a new skill, which is fine. Just make sure you're passionate about it. Anyway, I'm going and going and going. I'm so sorry. But just wanted to point that that out. It was a really cool experience I had, and I feel a lot more energy in my body, which is probably why I'm ranting the way I am. I feel a lot more energy in my body after actually eating food today. I had a big old omelet. Russell had a big omelet too, and we felt life return to us. It was good though. Those juice cleanses are awesome. I'll have to do it again sometime. Anyways, guys, hope you're doing awesome! Super stoked for those of you I'm gonna see soon at the FHAT event. Well, I guess it's not for another six weeks, but it feels like it's coming up fast. Working on the book launch, working on all sorts of stuff. I got another product that I'm personally gonna be launching here, probably ... Well, I mean, we're moving. We're doing a lot of stuff, so it probably won't be for another like six weeks. But, anyways, guys, talk to you later! Bye! Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best internet sales funnel for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your prebuilt sales funnel today!

Intimate, behind-the-scenes, message from Russell to Russell. On this episode Russell talks about being under a lot of pressure and tries to coach himself through it before turning off “Business Russell mode” and turning on “Dad mode” for his kids’ Halloween activities. Here are some interesting things you’ll hear in today’s episode: What are some of the things Russell has committed to that are making him feel the pressure. How Russell coaches himself through the pressure and what some of things he can do that will relieve it. And why it’s important to remember that no matter how busy he is, that he should always make time for family. So listen below to hear how Russell plans to relieve some of the pressure he’s currently under. ---Transcript--- Hey everyone this is Russell Brunson and I’m excited to have you here for Marketing In Your Car. It is Halloween, which is my favorite holiday and it’s one day that I look forward to most in the year. It’s funny because so far today has been a tough one. It’s 2:17 and I’m heading to the kids school for the Halloween parade that I’m really looking forward to, and then the Halloween stuff tonight. I’m just curious, people always ask me all the time, “Russell, how do you get so much stuff done.” And I usually pride myself, I can usually handle a lot of weight on my shoulders, but today collapsed a little bit underneath that weight. I know we don’t normally talk about those kind of things, but I just want to kind of talk through it because it’ll make me feel better probably. But on the other side, hopefully it helps you guys somehow. Who knows? It’s funny, Dan Gable, he’s the Michael Jordan of wrestling. I was watching a thing one time when he was coaching, you know he was one of the best wrestlers of all time, but also one of the best coaches of all time, of any sport. He won like 20 or 30 NCA championships in a row. Someone asked him I f he believes in pressure. He said, “Well I believe that pressure is there, I just don’t believe in putting myself underneath it.” I think for the most part, I try to take that approach. I’m not putting myself under pressure. Its there, but I’m dodging it. I’m getting around and we just keep moving forward. But today was one of those days where I thought I could get all just hit on my shoulders, and I just couldn’t handle it all. It’s actually good that I’m leaving. It’s kind of crazy. We had the Inner Circle last week for 4 days, which is so much fun and I love it. It’s hard though at the same time, because it’s four day, pretty much 5, pretty much a whole week that you’re not in the office moving things forward, so there’s stuff happening, especially when you’re running a big company there’s a lot of stuff. And usually we have a couple of weeks between each mastermind, but this time, because the timing sucked, they had to be back to back. In fact, mastermind starts tomorrow. So basically I had one day today, well part of a day, til 2 to get it done, all of last week and all next week. So basically after that I’m kind of out of commission again. I had a whole bunch of stuff I’m trying to get done. Today was like, “Hey Russell, you’re here.” And the brunt of everything is all falling and its tough because…..oh and then this weekend, we’re trying to get the Expert Secrets book done in time for the live event. And they told me to do that we’d have to have it all done in the next two weeks. Which means I have to have it all done this weeks, which means, we don’t have this week to do it. So I spent all day this weekend editing the book. I spent all day yesterday, and I spent half of today and so far I got the introduction and part of chapter one done. So I’m totally stressing about that because if I don’t have the book for the event, it throws off this huge timeline sequence of events around that, so that’s kind of crazy. And then for my church, I’ve got two callings. I am the eleven year old scout master, and I’m also the secretary for a group called the Elders Quorum, so that’s two assignments. And then we called yesterday, they called us and asked if my wife and I would take on the ward Christmas party, which means basically you’re in charge of throwing a party for 500 people. Plus my wife also has the company Christmas party a week after that. So it’s like, there’s new pressure there. If I told you all the things I’m doing, most people wouldn’t believe me. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on the Clickfunnels side. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on the sales side. I’ve got tons of Inner Circle members messaging me questions. It’s fun, I love going back and forth but sometimes it adds up. Right now I’ve got probably 30 messages from Inner circle members on Voxer that I’m behind. Half of them will be here tomorrow so I’m stressing, trying to catch up on those. And then the Funnel Hacker TV episodes we’ve been filming, it feels like a lot of the entrepreneurs we’re doing stuff for coming back needing help and getting stuck and can’t move through the process and need me to rewrite webinars or review things or check things. And then I got, I feel bad, one of the guys on my team, he wrote a book and wanted me to write the forward for, and I’ve been telling him for two or three months I was going to, but I haven’t had time. So today he was asking me about that, and to meet about something else. All these things and it was just like, all these things just came to a point today where I was like, “I don’t know what to do.” So yes, I feel pressure. Yes, some day’s it’s tough. Some day’s it’s really, today was really tough. Not gonna lie. It’s funny because I’m so excited to go see my kids in the parade, but I’m feeling guilty because of that. I have so much to do, but what’s the point of doing any of it if I can’t go to my kids Halloween play? That’s kind of where I’m at right now. But I don’t want anyone to be concerned about me. It’s funny, any time I do a podcast where I kind of rant a little bit, seems like I always get people messaging me trying to help. It’s not that I need that; I just need a place to vent. And hopefully it gives you guys whatever it is you need. Because I know all you guys go through that as well. We all do it, where there’s so many things happening. I’m the king of over committing. I get so excited by things so I say, “Yes, I’ll do this.” And it gets to a point where I can’t handle it all. Anyway, so before I left the office, there’s a couple of things. I tried to buy myself an extra two weeks on the book, which is relieving pressure. I haven’t heard back, but I just kind of trying to go back to all these commitments that I have and place more realistic timelines, and cutting some things out and do things like that. And it’ll be good. By the time we’ve got mastermind this week, which again, I’m so excited. Two groups are coming, it’s going to be nice. For me to just unplug and stop stressing about everything and just hang out with some amazing entrepreneurs. It’s funny, I don’t normally care about politics too much, even the stress of this election. Because I’m stressed out if either side wins. I don’t want either of those, the election’s coming. I’m really excited to hang out with entrepreneurs who are trying to change the world, for the next four days. I’m looking forward to that, and it’s going to be good. I’m just going to kind of…..I think one of the problems that I have, one of the things that make me good at what I do, it also becomes one of the constraints, is I’m really good at placing…I’ve talked about this a lot in different trainings. Lead or Gold. I set deadlines for myself of when things have to happen. Sometimes I forget in my mind that I set those deadlines, and they’re not actual deadlines. So I think it’s me coming back to a lot of my lead or gold deadlines for things I have and re-shifting them, which is against what I tell you guys to do. It’s like, set a lead or gold deadline and don’t deviate from it unless you’re going to kill yourself. I tell you guys that because it’s true for me. When I set a deadline, this has to happen this day. It HAS to happen that day. It becomes so real for me, that I put myself in insane amounts of pressure because of that. For me, things come back and I just got to tonight, hopefully get some extensions like on the book and a couple of things like that. And then kind of reset some timelines. I gotta get better at telling people no. I get so excited about opportunities and everything that I just say yes to things way too easy. So I gotta get better at the magic word no. I feel like I’m coaching myself. If one of my Inner Circle members voxed me the last 7 minutes, I know exactly how I’d coach them. So I’m kind of coaching myself as if I’m me. “So Russell, the first thing I would do is, you gotta set realistic expectations. I know you think you’re the man, but you’re not. You can’t survive everything. The second thing I would do is, you gotta go back to the people you made commitments to and you gotta tell some people no, and it’s going to be hard, and it’s going to hurt their feelings sometimes. But it’s not personal, and you know it’s not. You just have to tell them it’s not and you love them. It’s just not possible. You’re going to crack and everything will fall apart for you and for everybody if you don’t. So that’s the second thing I would do. The third thing, Russell, that you should do is, you need to get your book extension. If you’ve got to pay more money, whatever it takes to just tell them that you gotta make the extension and that you will pay whatever it takes to make that work. And that money will hopefully help solve that problem, get that out of the way. With these other people, you’re working with in Funnel Hacker TV. Remember these are businesses you’re helping with; you’re not doing those businesses, so you need to put the owners back on them. Get them to work harder, get them to think through things. You can’t answer every question for them. And they need to understand that. Let them kind of run with it and just do it. And that’s going to help them grow more. You’re so stressed about them making money that you forget that it’s not about money, it’s about growth for them. And if they don’t grow, every time you take your eye off the focus, it’s all going to collapse on them again. Help them understand that. Leverage people on your team, everyone wants to help you, and sometimes you’re scared to ask for help because you know that everyone is doing so much anyway and you just think you can add it to your plate and not worry about it, but they’re there to support you and help you so make sure you leverage them. Because again, if you’re not able to handle this, it’s really bad for all of them. They’ve put their lives, and hearts and soul into it as well and it’s important that they do what they need to do and you do what you need to do. And they want you to be there. So those are the things I’d recommend Russell. I hope that helps. We’ll talk soon.” So that’s how I’d vox myself. So there’s my advice for myself. Hopefully take it for yourself as well. I actually feel a lot better just saying that out loud. So thank you guys for bearing with me. The other things that’s interesting, we talk about hiring consultants all the time and it’s funny, we’re always like, “Well if we’re going to hire a sales consultant, what would we tell ourselves?” And usually we know all the answers. You guys just saw me do it here live, I just consulted myself. You should try consulting yourself the next time you have an issue and you’ll probably solve all your problems. So with that said, I’m at school. I’m about to run in and go see my kids dressed up  as Halloween costumes, which is going to amazing and a ton of fun. And everything else is going to fade away and I’m going to get into a state and be with my kids and family right now. Business Russell is turning off because none of that stuff actually matters, and Dad is turning on because that’s what matters. With that said, you guys don’t forget the famous quote from David O McKay. “No success can compensate for failure in the home.” So go to your kids Halloween parties, have some fun. Talk to you guys all again soon.

A cool new strategy I learned from Perry Belcher, kept me up all night Christmas Eve. Discover how a “tripwire offer” can change your entire business overnight. ---Transcript--- Everyone, good morning. It’s the day after Christmas, and I want to welcome you to the Marketing In Your Car podcast. Okay, everyone, so, I don’t know about you, but the last two days have been crazy. Partially because of Christmas, partially because I bought a course. And the night before Christmas, I only had two hours of sleep because I couldn’t stop listening to it, and it was awesome. So, the product is called, it was Perry Belcher’s Secret Selling System. And if any of you guys know me, you know that I’ve spent close to $300,000 or more on my marketing education in the last ten years. And this product, I would say, would be one of the top three courses I’ve ever gone through. Amazing. Anyway, the, not Christmas Eve, the night before Christmas Eve, I was listening to it. My wife passed out, and I was not quite tired yet, so I put it in. I started listening. I was like, 10 or 11 hours into it, and Perry started talking about this concept called The Trip Wire Offer. And that’s what kept me up all night long the night before Christmas, and then the next night we had Christmas Eve. So, I’m really tired right now, but I’m so excited it does not even matter. So what I want to talk to you is about the trip wire offer, because this will change my business forever, and it should change your business forever as well. If you don’t have Perry’s course yet, go and find it. I don’t know how to even buy it. It was an upsell for something but if you can get a hold of it, do anything you can to get it. It’s amazing. Anyway, so, with that said, the trip wire offer, I want to talk about what this is. And this is not something that’s new to me, but this is something I completely forgot. If any of you guys have been around me for a long time, you probably remember a course that we taught a while ago called Micro Continuity. It was by far our best selling product ever, and we launched it. What we did is, little did I know at the time, we had a trip wire offer. I actually went to Hong Kong, well, I didn’t go to Hong Kong. I went online, I met this dude in Hong Kong, who sold these little MP3 players. And I took a six-hour trading course and I put it on this little MP3 player. And when we launched it, people bought this MP3 player for free, plus shipping. And then I would ship it out to them, and afterwards we would bill them $97 a month to have access to the Micro Continuity membership site. And like I said, we launched that, we did well over $1 million. We had, I think we had 8000 people pay $97 a month at the time. And it was awesome. And we, a little while later we did the same kind of concept with 12 Month Internet Millionaire. We got an MP3 player and sold it, and we had these little offers. We had this cool gadget, and it blew up. Now, there were two problems with the way we ran that before. Problem number one is we were cooking continuity in all of the things. Which isn’t really a big problem, we made a ton of money. The big problem though was that a lot of people just didn’t know they were getting billed. FTC came down, Visa and MasterCard came down, and just started hating those offers. And so, they penalized us, we lost our merchant account for a little while because of it. And they just didn’t like the free plus shipping we put someone on forced continuity afterwards. And so, that was kind of frustrating for me. And because of that we stopped doing those types of offers. Because I thought that there weren’t any good unless you had a continuity hook to it. But looking back on it now, what was amazing was we did the free plus shipping thing, and we would get so many more people in the front door. And then, because they made that first commitment, our upsells converted amazingly. We made insane amounts of money. Our ups, I remember for every free MP3 player we were giving away, we were averaging between $60 and $70 in sales from upsales. Then we have the continuity after that. Again, stupid Russell, because I lost my ability to do the continuity, I just quit doing those things altogether whereas if I had pulled continuity out of the equation and just gave away the free mp3 player and I had the upsells afterward, I still would have made a couple million dollars just from those offers yet I stopped stupidly. So Russell has decided to repent and start doing offers like that again, the tripwire offer. An example of the tripwire offer is something that’s so amazing, so good, and super cheap that people just buy it. You get somebody in the buying mood, they’ve already said yes to the first thing and they start buying the upsells right afterward. Some examples from Ryan and Perry’s business, I bought three or four of them this weekend and promoted one this weekend just to see how it went. One of them is in their survival business. They have these cool little credit card knives. Basically, you pay $2.95 and they ship you out a free credit card knife. It looks like a credit card and it folds into your knife. You keep it in your wallet. It’s awesome. I bought one of those and boom, they hit me with three upsells afterward. Then I bought this other one that was this instant light match that lights 10,000 times in a row, boom, free plus shipping. I paid $2.95 shipping and handling, and boom, they had three upsells afterward. Then I bought another one that was this super magic gadget card. I don’t even know, it opens cans and does a whole bunch of things like that. Same thing, $2.95, upsold me three things afterward. It’s just brilliant because it’s this really cool offer. People love it. They’re very easy to put on Facebook. People pass them along a lot of times. In fact, the first time I found out about Perry and Ryan’s credit card offers, because I saw it on Facebook, everyone is sharing it and passing it around, it had been shared 3000 or 4000 times, this cool free card. I went to contact them to become an affiliate for it and they’re like, “Oh, we don’t have an affiliate program yet.” All these people were passing it and sharing it, and they weren’t even making anything off of it, just because it was such a cool front end offer. I started thinking about that for my different businesses. For our weight loss business, I’m meeting tomorrow with some guys who do sourcing from China to try to find a couple different things that we can use this on. I’m going to have them look for a pedometer, those things you hold when you walk and it shows how many steps you take, looking for a skin fold tester, looking for a tape measure, different things like that that we can give away for free plus shipping, and then get people into our funnel. In the information business, I’m looking again for more mp3 players, for USB sticks, things like that. For our couponing business, we’re looking for stuff. I’m trying to find as many things as I can because they’re sexy to advertise. They go viral. You get someone as a customer, they’re more likely to buy your upsells afterwards, and they’re awesome. They don’t have to be free plus shipping. Ryan and Perry, a lot of their tripwire offers are just like seven dollar reports that are based off one little thing, one trick, one technique, one hack. We’re going to start finding all these little hacks, tricks, and techniques, and start making little tripwire offers to bring people into our funnels. In fact, for each one of our core offers, we’re going to build five or six different tripwires around it. For example, Dot Com Secrets to Success, I have five or six different tripwires in mind that we’re going to build for that. Dot Com Secrets Lab, in fact, I came in early today because I’m excited to build out this new tripwire offer I have for Dot Com Secrets Lab, all these little tripwire offers that get people into your funnel to start buying your upsells. They join your list, people promote these things, and you can make a lot of money. They’re really fun for affiliates as well. Ryan and Perry with their credit card knife, they had an affiliate contest going on.  Basically, you give away a free credit card knife and they give you $10 for every credit card knife you give away. You don’t get anything on the upsells but I was like, “You know what? It’s a fun thing.” I emailed yesterday, on Christmas Day, saying, “Hey, check out what I bought myself for Christmas. It’s this cool credit card knife. It was free. I just paid $2.95 shipping and handling. You guys should get one too because they’re really cool.” That was 12 hours ago, probably 18 hours ago I emailed that out. So far, we’ve had 99 people take the thing so I made almost $1000 by giving away a free credit card knife. People are excited. They love it and they’re passing it on. It’s kind of cool and kind of exciting. It got me refired up. You guys, tripwire offers. Start thinking about how you can make a tripwire offer or multiple for any of your core products. I promise you, there is power in that. Anyway, I’m at the office. I’m going to go work on my new tripwire. I’m fired up. I’m excited. I hope you are as well. Thanks you guys, and we will talk to you soon.