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The recent acquisition of Small Biz Thoughts and IT Service Provider University by MSP Radio marks a significant shift in the landscape of resources available to Managed Service Providers (MSPs). This acquisition aims to ensure the continued stewardship of valuable intellectual property, including books and community resources, while allowing founder Karl Palachuk to refocus on his original goals of writing, speaking, and traveling. The deal emphasizes the importance of maintaining community engagement and enhancing the value of existing assets for the benefit of MSPs.Karl Palachuk discussed the filters he applied when selecting a buyer, prioritizing compatibility and the potential for growth within the community. He expressed a desire for the new ownership to actively utilize the acquired assets to foster a thriving environment rather than allowing them to stagnate. The conversation highlighted the importance of community in the tech industry, where collaboration and shared knowledge have historically driven success.In addition to the acquisition, the episode touched on the evolving role of AI in the MSP sector. Palachuk noted that while AI is set to enhance productivity, it will also necessitate a shift in the skills required for technicians and service providers. The discussion underscored the need for MSPs to adapt to these changes, as the industry faces a wave of mergers and acquisitions that could reshape service delivery models.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the implications of these developments are clear. The acquisition represents an opportunity to access a wealth of resources and knowledge while navigating the challenges posed by AI and market consolidation. Engaging with the Small Biz Thoughts community can provide valuable insights and support as MSPs work to enhance their service offerings and adapt to the changing landscape of technology and client needs.

Intel has launched its Core Ultra Series 3 central processing units, utilizing its new 18A process technology, which aims to enhance performance and efficiency across various applications, including gaming and professional workloads. This development is part of Intel's strategy to regain competitiveness in the CPU market, which has faced increasing pressure from rivals. The new processors promise improved performance per watt compared to previous generations, with further specifications expected soon. This advancement in chip technology is significant for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) as it enables the feasibility of edge AI applications, which require careful consideration of workload clarity and governance.Lenovo introduced Cura, an AI assistant designed to operate seamlessly across its computers and Motorola smartphones, emphasizing on-device processing and user privacy. This system-level AI aims to adapt to user habits over time, assisting with tasks such as email drafting and meeting summarization. However, the episode highlights a concerning trend where many users do not fully utilize existing tools, as evidenced by Microsoft's Copilot user statistics. The discussion underscores the importance of governance in AI deployment, as successful enterprise AI implementations, like those from Siemens, demonstrate that explicit authority and responsibility are crucial for effective outcomes.The episode also addresses the ongoing hype surrounding robotics and automation, noting that while advancements are being made, the reality remains that specialized robots are more practical than general-purpose ones. Companies are focusing on single-purpose robots, which contrasts with the expectation of multifunctional robots. The discussion emphasizes that automation in IT should follow a similar path, advocating for narrow automations with explicit authority to avoid misunderstandings and failures that could lead to accountability issues for MSPs.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity of redefining governance and responsibility in the face of advancing automation and AI technologies. As systems of action become more prevalent, the shift from traditional dashboards to autonomous decision-making systems requires MSPs to update their contracts and governance models accordingly. The opportunity lies not in simply adopting new technologies but in understanding where automation should be limited and ensuring that accountability is clearly defined to mitigate risks associated with automated systems. Three things to know today 00:00 Intel, Lenovo, and Siemens Signal AI Acceleration, Not Automatic Value, for IT Services06:02 CES 2026 Reveals Why Specialized Robotics and Disciplined Automation Deliver ROI Faster Than General AI09:34 Agentic AI, Action-First Platforms, and the End of Forgiving IT Systems Put New Accountability on MSPs This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by: 

Google has introduced an AI-powered inbox view for Gmail, designed to enhance user experience by transforming the traditional email interface into a personalized platform that includes to-do items and topic summaries. This feature, currently available to trusted testers in the U.S. for consumer Gmail accounts, aims to help users manage their emails more effectively. However, concerns have been raised about the potential for users to feel overwhelmed by excessive to-do suggestions, and Google has stated that users can opt out of these AI features. The company also reassured users that their Gmail content is not utilized for training AI models.OpenAI has launched ChatGPT Health, a tool that allows users to ask health-related questions in a secure environment while connecting their medical records and wellness apps. Although the tool is not intended for diagnosis or treatment, it raises significant concerns regarding safety and privacy, particularly in sensitive areas like mental health. OpenAI has collaborated with over 260 physicians to refine the model, but the lack of full compliance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) has led to calls for caution, especially for users with health anxiety. The implications of these tools extend beyond user convenience, as they redefine the nature of work and authority in digital environments.The episode also discusses the growing backlash against AI infrastructure, particularly in local communities where data centers are being proposed. Reports indicate that opposition is rising across the political spectrum, with residents voicing concerns about the environmental and economic impacts of these developments. Additionally, polling data shows that 80% of American adults believe the government should regulate AI, reflecting a significant political opportunity for the Democratic Party. This sentiment is prompting leaders to adopt more vocal stances against AI, as many voters feel threatened by its rapid advancement.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, these developments underscore the importance of understanding the evolving regulatory landscape surrounding AI technologies. As states implement new laws addressing AI safety and consumer rights, MSPs must navigate the complexities of compliance and governance. The episode highlights the necessity for providers to establish clear boundaries regarding AI's influence in client environments, ensuring accountability and minimizing liability risks. As AI continues to integrate into various aspects of technology, the need for informed decision-making and proactive engagement with regulatory changes becomes increasingly critical. Four things to know today 00:00 Google and OpenAI Recast AI as an Authority Layer Over Email and Health Data05:03 From Data Centers to Regulation, AI Expansion Encounters Political and Community Limits08:18 AI, Privacy, and Liability Converge as States Fill the Regulatory Vacuum Left by Washington14:07 Dell Says Consumers Aren't Buying PCs for AI Features, Despite NPU Push This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by: 

Microsoft has announced significant changes to its Teams platform, set to take effect on January 12, 2026. The platform will automatically enhance messaging security by blocking risky files and scanning shared links for potential phishing threats. This proactive measure aims to protect organizations, particularly smaller ones without dedicated security teams, from increasingly sophisticated cyber threats. IT administrators will have the opportunity to review and adjust these settings prior to implementation, ensuring a smoother transition to the new security measures.In addition to the Teams update, Microsoft has decided to retract its previously announced limit on bulk email recipients for Exchange Online, following customer feedback indicating that such restrictions would create operational challenges. The company will maintain existing limits while seeking less disruptive solutions to enhance email security. Furthermore, Microsoft has acquired the startup Osmos to bolster its Microsoft Fabric platform with autonomous data engineering capabilities, aiming to automate data preparation and reduce the manual workload for IT teams.The episode also highlights the rapid growth of Ninja One, which reported a 70% year-over-year increase in annual recurring revenue, surpassing $500 million. This growth positions Ninja One as a strong competitor in the remote monitoring and management market, particularly as managed service providers (MSPs) seek to consolidate tools to improve operational efficiency. The discussion emphasizes the importance of accountability and risk management as MSPs navigate the complexities of tool consolidation and automation.For MSPs and IT service leaders, these developments underscore the need for clear communication and governance in the face of increasing automation and vendor-driven changes. As Microsoft centralizes control over security and data management, MSPs must adapt by managing client expectations and pricing for the support burden that comes with these automated solutions. The evolving landscape necessitates a proactive approach to risk management, ensuring that MSPs are prepared to address client concerns and operational challenges effectively. Four things to know today 00:00 CompTIA Signals Confidence for 2026 as NinjaOne's Growth Highlights MSP Push to Simplify Operations05:12 Microsoft Tightens Defaults and Expands Automation Across Teams, Exchange, and Fabric09:22 Dell Reverses Course on Laptop Branding, Reintroducing XPS to Reduce Confusion and Reset Its AI PC Strategy11:53 Artificial Analysis Overhauls AI Benchmarks to Focus on Real-World Work, Lowering Scores and Raising Enterprise Expectations This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://timezest.com/mspradio/https://scalepad.com/dave/

Artificial intelligence adoption is accelerating without formal ownership as employees, customers, and patients integrate AI tools into daily decisions. Surveys from Gallup show 45% of U.S. employees use AI at work at least occasionally, while research cited by OpenAI indicates roughly 60% of American adults recently used AI for health-related questions. Zoho and Arion Research report that 41% of organizations have strengthened privacy measures after adopting AI, reflecting growing concern about data exposure and accountability. For MSPs, the shift places liability closer to the systems being used rather than the vendors supplying them.Trust in digital media is also eroding as AI-generated content becomes harder to distinguish from authentic material. Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri states that assuming photos or videos reflect real events is no longer reliable and suggests verification at the point of capture rather than labeling generated content. This approach reframes trust as a technical system rather than a social assumption. For IT providers, the issue extends beyond social platforms to security footage, compliance evidence, training data, and any asset where authenticity must be demonstrated.At the same time, automation and AI training are converging on the same constraint: expert judgment. HireArt's 2025 AI Trainer Compensation Report shows subject-matter experts earning $60 to more than $180 per hour, compared with under $20 for generalist data labelers, reflecting the cost of errors in regulated or technical fields. Kaseya's 2025 EMEA MSP Benchmark Report finds that while nearly 75% of MSPs expect revenue growth, 45% face staffing and skills shortages, increasing reliance on automation built on accurate data and curated exceptions.Major vendors are embedding judgment directly into platforms. ServiceNow's planned $7.75 billion acquisition of Armis expands asset classification and risk scoring within workflows. Freshworks' acquisition of FireHydrant integrates AI-driven incident management into ITSM. Google Cloud's revamped Partner Network shifts incentives toward outcome-based tiers beginning in 2026. For MSPs and IT service leaders, these moves concentrate responsibility around interpretation, governance, and accountability, even as tools increasingly define risk and success.Four things to know today00:00 Surveys Show AI Adoption Is Happening Without Ownership as Employees, Customers, and Patients Lead Usage04:50 Instagram's CEO Says Trust Is No Longer Assumed as AI Forces Proof-of-Reality Models07:22 AI and MSP Automation Are Converging on the Same Bottleneck: Expert Judgment09:52 Vendors Shift From Tools to Judgement as ServiceNow, Freshworks, and Google Cloud Embed Risk, Incidents, and Outcomes This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://scalepad.com/dave/

The U.S. economy demonstrated robust growth in the third quarter of 2025, with a gross domestic product (GDP) increase of 4.3%, according to the Commerce Department. This growth occurred despite consumer concerns and uncertainties related to tariffs, with military spending and corporate profits contributing significantly. However, the technology sector experienced substantial layoffs, with 1.1 million jobs cut in 2025, of which only 55,000 were attributed to artificial intelligence (AI). The majority of job losses stemmed from corporate restructuring and economic conditions rather than direct displacement by AI, leading to hiring freezes, particularly for entry-level positions.Small and medium-sized businesses (SMBs) are currently facing challenges in attracting talent, with over 70% reporting difficulties in finding qualified candidates due to competition from larger firms. The National Federation of Independent Business noted that nearly half of all small businesses are struggling to fill open positions, which is stalling growth and reducing productivity. Despite a slight increase in small business optimism, driven by expectations of higher sales, many owners cite labor quality as their top concern. Additionally, 64% of SMBs are experiencing supply chain disruptions, complicating their operations.The episode also discusses the ongoing chip and memory shortages, which are expected to persist into 2027, leading to rising prices for consumer electronics. Major memory manufacturers are prioritizing supply for AI companies, impacting pricing across various sectors. Furthermore, the shift towards outcome-based pricing models in software is highlighted, where companies may pay based on actual results delivered, potentially complicating the relationship between service providers and clients if expectations are not clearly defined.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, these developments underscore the importance of clarity and realistic expectations in service delivery. As operational fragility becomes more pronounced amid rising costs and labor shortages, MSPs must reframe their roles from implementers to risk managers. This shift is crucial to avoid margin erosion and contract disputes, ensuring that they are not unduly burdened by decisions made outside their control. The evolving economic landscape necessitates a proactive approach to pricing and service design, particularly as automation and AI continue to reshape the industry. Four things to know today 00:00 Strong GDP Growth, Persistent Layoffs, and Weak AI Returns Expose Hidden Risk for SMB Operations07:04 AI Is Driving Hardware Shortages, Cloud Growth, and Outcome-Based Pricing—Raising Cost Risk for MSPs11:10 MSP Expense Volatility, AI-Driven Service Shifts, and Labor Shortages Are Colliding on Pricing Strategy15:04-- MSP Radio Expands Beyond News With Acquisition of Two MSP Education Brands This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorship

Welcome back to the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® Podcast. AI agents are your next customers. Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://theultimatepartner.com/ebook-subscribe/ Check Out UPX:https://theultimatepartner.com/experience/ In this exclusive interview, Vince Menzione sits down with Darryl Peek, Vice President for Partner Sales (Public Sector) at Elastic, to decode how Elastic achieved the rare “triple crown”—winning Partner of the Year across Microsoft, Amazon, and Google Cloud simultaneously. Darryl breaks down the engineering-first approach that makes Elastic sticky with hyperscalers, reveals the rigorous metrics behind their partner health scorecard, and shares his personal “one-page strategy” for aligning mission, vision, and execution. From leveraging generative AI for cleaner sales hygiene to the timeless lesson of the “Acre of Diamonds,” this conversation offers a masterclass in building high-performance partner ecosystems in the public sector and beyond. https://youtu.be/__GE0r2fPuk Key Takeaways Elastic achieved “Pinnacle” status by aligning engineering roadmaps directly with hyperscaler innovations to become essential infrastructure. Successful public sector sales require a dual approach: leveraging resellers for contract access while driving domain-specific co-sell motions. Partner relationships outperform contracts; consistency in communication is more valuable than only showing up for renewals. Effective partner organizations track “influence” revenue just as rigorously as direct bookings to capture the full value of SI relationships. Generative AI can automate sales hygiene, turning scattered meeting notes into actionable CRM data and reducing friction for sales teams. The “Acre of Diamonds” philosophy reminds leaders that the greatest opportunities often lie within their current ecosystem, not in distant new markets. If you're ready to lead through change, elevate your business, and achieve extraordinary outcomes through the power of partnership—this is your community. At Ultimate Partner® we want leaders like you to join us in the Ultimate Partner Experience – where transformation begins. Keywords: Elastic, Darryl Peek, public sector sales, hyperscaler partnership, Microsoft Partner of the Year, AWS Partner of the Year, Google Cloud Partner, partner ecosystem strategy, co-sell motion, partner metrics, channel sales, government contracting, Carahsoft, generative AI in sales, sales hygiene, Russell Conwell, Acre of Diamonds, open source search, observability, security SIM, vector search, retrieval augmented generation, LLM agnostic, partner enablement, influence revenue, channel booking, SI relationships, strategic alliances. Transcript: Darryl Peek Audio Episode [00:00:00] Darryl Peek: I say, I tell my team from time to time, the difference between contacts and contracts is the R and that’s the relationship. So if you’re not building the relationship, then how do you expect that partner to want to lean in? Don’t just show up when you have a contract. Don’t just show up when you have a renewal. [00:00:13] Darryl Peek: Make sure that you are reaching out and letting them know what is happening. Don’t just talk to me when you need a renewal, right? When you’re at end of quarter and you want me to bring a deal forward, [00:00:23] Vince Menzione: welcome to the Ultimate Guide to Partnering. I’m Vince Menzi. Own your host, and my mission is to help leaders like you achieve your greatest results through successful partnering. [00:00:34] Vince Menzione: We just came off Ultimate Partner live at Caresoft Training Center in Reston, Virginia. Over two days, we gathered top leaders to tackle the real shifts shaping our industry. If you weren’t in the room, this episode brings you right to the edge of what’s next. Let’s dive in. So we have another privilege, an incredible partner, another like we call these, if you’ve heard our term, pinnacle. [00:01:00] Vince Menzione: I think it’s a term that’s not widely used, but we refer to Pinnacle as the partners that have achieved the top rung. They’ve become partners of the year. And our next presenter, our next interview is going to be with an organization. And a person that represents an organization that has been a pinnacle partner actually for all three Hyperscalers, which is really unusual. [00:01:24] Vince Menzione: Elastic has been partner of the Year award winner across Microsoft, Amazon, and Google Cloud, so very interesting. And Darrell Peak, who is the leader for the public sector organization, he’s here in the Washington DC area, was kind enough. Elastic is a sponsor event, and Darryl’s been kind enough to join me for a discussion about what it takes to be a Pinnacle partner. [00:01:47] Vince Menzione: So incredibly well. Excited to welcome you, Darryl. Thank you, sir. Good to have you. I love you. I love your smile, man. You got an incredible smile. Thank you. Thank you, Vince. Thank you. So Darryl, I probably didn’t do it any justice, but I was hoping you could take us through your role and responsibilities at Elastic, which is an incredible organization. [00:02:08] Vince Menzione: Alright. Yeah, [00:02:09] Darryl Peek: absolutely. So Darrell Peak vice President for partner sales for the US public sector at Elastic. I’ve been there about two and a half years. Responsible for our partner relationships across all partner types, whether that’s the system integrators, resellers, MSPs, OEMs, distribution Hyperscalers, and our Technology Alliance partners. [00:02:26] Darryl Peek: And those are partners that aren’t built on the Elastic platform. In regards to how my partner team interacts with our team. Our ecosystem. We are essentially looking to further and lean in with our partners in order for them to, one, understand what Elastic does since we’re such a diverse tool, but also work with our field to understand what are their priorities and how do they identify the right partners for the right requirements. [00:02:50] Darryl Peek: In regards to what Elastic is and what it does elastic is a solution that is actually founded on search and we’re an open source company. And one of the things that I actually did when I left the government, so I worked for the government for a number of years. I left, went and worked for Salesforce, then worked for Google ran their federal partner team and then came over to Elastic because I wanted to. [00:03:11] Darryl Peek: Understand what it meant to be at an open source company. Being at an open source company is quite interesting ’cause you’re competing against yourself. [00:03:17] Vince Menzione: Yeah, that’s true. [00:03:18] Darryl Peek: So it’s pretty interesting. But elastic was founded in 2012 as a search company. So when you talk about search, we are the second most used platform behind Google. [00:03:28] Darryl Peek: So many of you have already used Elastic. Maybe on your way here, if you use Uber and Lyft, that is elastic. That is helping you get here. Oh, that is interesting. If you use Netflix, if you use wikipedia.com, booking.com, eBay, home Depot, all of those are search capabilities. That Elastic is happening to power in regards to what else we do. [00:03:47] Darryl Peek: We also do observability, which is really around application monitoring, logging, tracing, and metrics. So we are helping your operations team. Pepsi is a customer as well as Cisco. Wow. And then the last thing that we do is security when we’re a SIM solution. So when we talk about sim, we are really looking to protect networks. [00:04:03] Darryl Peek: So we all, we think that it’s a data problem. So with that data problem, what we’re trying to do is not only understand what is happening in the network, but also we are helping with threat intelligence, endpoint and cloud security. So all those elements together is what Elastic does. And we only do it two ways. [00:04:18] Darryl Peek: We’re one platform and we can be deployed OnPrem and in the cloud. So that’s a little bit about me and the company. Hopefully it was clear, [00:04:24] Vince Menzione: I’ve had elastic people on stage. You’ve done, that’s the best answer I’ve had. What does Elastic do? I used to hear all this hyperbole and what? [00:04:32] Vince Menzione: What? Now I really understand what you do is an organiz. And the name of the company was Elasticsearch. [00:04:36] Darryl Peek: It was [00:04:37] Vince Menzione: elastic at one time when I first. Worked with you. It was Elasticsearch. [00:04:40] Darryl Peek: Absolutely. Yeah. So many moons ago used to be called the Elk Stack and it stood for three things. E was the Elasticsearch which is a search capability. [00:04:48] Darryl Peek: L is Logstash, which is our logging capability. And Cabana is essentially our visualization capability. So it was called Elk. But since we’ve acquired so many companies and built so much capability into the platform, we can now call it the elastic. Platform. [00:05:00] Vince Menzione: So talk to me about your engagement with the hyperscalers. [00:05:02] Vince Menzione: You’ve been partner of the Year award winner with all three, right? I mentioned that, and you were, you worked for Google for a period of time. Yes. So tell us about, like, how does that work? What does that engagement look like? And why do you get chosen as partner of the year? What are the things that stand out when you’re working with these hyperscalers [00:05:19] Darryl Peek: and with that we are very fortunate to be recognized. [00:05:23] Darryl Peek: So many of the organizations that are out there are doing some of the same capabilities that we do, but they can’t claim that they won a part of the year for all three hyperscalers in the same year. We are able to do that because we believe in the power of partnership, not only from a technology perspective, but also from a sales perspective. [00:05:39] Darryl Peek: So we definitely lean in with our partnerships, so having our engineers talk, having our product teams talk, and making sure that we’re building capabilities that actually integrate within the cloud service providers. And also consistently building a roadmap that aligns with the innovation that the cloud service providers are also building towards. [00:05:56] Darryl Peek: And then making sure that we’re a topic of discussion. So elastic. From a search capability, we do semantic search, vector search, but also retrieval augmented generation, which actually is LLM Agnostic. So when you say LLM Agnostic, whether you want to use Gemini, Claude or even Chad, GBT, those things are something that Elastic can integrate in, but it actually helps reduce the likelihood of hallucination. [00:06:18] Darryl Peek: So when we’re building that kind of solution, the cloud service provider’s you’re making it easy for us, and when you make it easy, you become very attractive and therefore you’re. Likely gonna come. So it becomes [00:06:28] Vince Menzione: sticky in that regard. Very sticky. So it sounds like very much an engineer, a lot of emphasis on the engineering aspects of the business. [00:06:35] Vince Menzione: I know you’re an engineer by background too, right? So the engineering aspects of the business means that you’re having alignment with the engineering organizations of those companies at a very deep level. [00:06:44] Darryl Peek: Absolutely. So I’m [00:06:45] Vince Menzione: here. [00:06:45] Darryl Peek: Yeah. And being at Elastic has been pretty amazing. So coming from Google, we had so many different solutions, so many different SKUs, but Elastic releases every eight weeks. [00:06:54] Darryl Peek: So right before you start to understand the last release, the next release is coming out and we’re already at 9.2 and we just released 9.0 in May. So it’s really blazing fast on the capability that we’re really pushing the market, but it’s really hard to make sure that we get it in front of our partners. [00:07:10] Darryl Peek: So when we talk about our partner enablement strategy, we’re just trying to make sure that we get the right information in front of the right partners at the right time, so this way they can best service their customers. [00:07:19] Vince Menzione: So let’s talk about partner strategy. Alyssa Fitzpatrick was on stage with me at our last event, and she Alyssa’s fantastic. [00:07:25] Vince Menzione: She is incredible. Yes, she is. She was a former colleague at Microsoft Days. Yes. And then she, we had a really interesting conversation. About what it takes, like being in, in a company and then working with the partners in general. And you have, I’m sure you have a lot of the similarities in how you have to engage with these organizations. [00:07:42] Vince Menzione: You’re working across the hyperscalers, you’re also working with the ecosystem too. Yes. ’cause the delivery, you have delivery partners as well. Absolutely. So tell us more about that. [00:07:50] Darryl Peek: So we kinda look at it from a two, two ways from the pre-sales motion and then the post-sales. From the pre-sales side. [00:07:56] Darryl Peek: What we’re trying to do is really maximize our, not only working with partners, because within public sector, you need to get access to customers through contract vehicles. So if you want to get access to some, for instance, the VA or through GSA or others, you have to make sure you’re aligned with the right partners who have access to. [00:08:12] Darryl Peek: That particular agency, but also you want domain expertise. So as you’re working with those system integrators, you wanna make sure that they have capability that aligns. So whether it is a security requirement, you wanna work with someone who specializes in security, observability and search. So that’s the way that we really look at our partner ecosystem, but those who are interested in working with us. [00:08:30] Darryl Peek: Because everybody doesn’t necessarily have a emphasis on working with a new technology partner, [00:08:36] Vince Menzione: right? [00:08:36] Darryl Peek: So what we’re trying to do is saying how do we build programs, incentives and sales plays that really does align and strike the interest of that particular partner? So when we talk about it I tell my team, you have to, my grandfather to say, plan your work and work your plan. And if you fail a plan, you plan to fail. So being able to not only have a strong plan in place, but then execute against that plan, check against that plan as you go through the fiscal year, and then see how you come out at the end of the fiscal year to see are we making that progress? [00:09:01] Darryl Peek: But on the other side of it, and what I get stressed about with my sales team and saying what does partners bring to us? So where are those partner deal registrations? What is the partner source numbers? How are we creating more pipeline? And that is where we’re now saying, okay, how can we navigate and how can we make it easier? [00:09:17] Darryl Peek: And how can we reduce friction in order for the partner to say, okay, elastic’s easy to work with. I can see value in, oh, by the way, I can make some money with. [00:09:25] Vince Menzione: So take us through, have there been examples of areas where you’ve had to like, break through to this other side in terms of growing the partner ecosystem? [00:09:33] Vince Menzione: What’s worked, what hasn’t worked? Yes, I’d love to learn more about that. [00:09:36] Darryl Peek: I’ll say that and I tell my team one, you partner program is essential, right? If you don’t have an attractive partner program in regards to how they come on board, how they’re incentivized the right amount of margin, they won’t even look at you. [00:09:49] Darryl Peek: The second thing is really how do you engage? So a lot of things start with relationships. I think partnerships are really about relationships. I say I tell my team from time to time, the difference between contacts and contracts is the R and that’s the relationship. So if you’re not building the relationship, then how do you expect that partner to want to lean in? [00:10:07] Darryl Peek: Don’t just show up when you have a contract. Don’t just show up when you have a renewal. Make sure that you are reaching out and letting them know what is happening. I like the what Matt brought up in saying, okay, talk to me when you have a win. Talk to me when you have something to talk about. [00:10:22] Darryl Peek: Don’t just talk to me when you need a renewal. When you’re at end the quarter and you want me to bring a deal forward, that doesn’t help ab absolutely. [00:10:28] Vince Menzione: So engineering organizations, sales organizations, what are, what does a healthy partnership look like for you? [00:10:35] Darryl Peek: So I look at metrics a lot and we use a number of tools and I know folks are using tools out there. [00:10:41] Darryl Peek: I won’t name any tools for branding purposes, but in regards to how we look at tools. So some things that we measure closely. Of course it’s our partner source numbers, so partner source, bookings, and pipeline. We look at our partner attached numbers and pipeline as well as the amount or percentage of partner attached business that we have in regards to our overall a CV number. [00:11:00] Darryl Peek: We also look at co-sell numbers, so therefore we are looking at not only how. A partner is coming to us, but how is a partner helping us in closing the deal even though they didn’t bring us the deal? We’re also looking at our cloud numbers and saying what amount of deals and how much business are we doing with our cloud service providers? [00:11:15] Darryl Peek: Because of course we wanna see that number go up year over year. We wanna actually help with that consumption number because not only are we looking at it from a SaaS perspective, but also if the customer has to commit we can help burn that down as well. We also look at influence numbers. [00:11:27] Darryl Peek: Now, one of the harder things to do within a technology business is. Capturing all that si goodness. And saying how do I reflect the SI if they’re not bringing me the deal? And I can’t attribute that amount of deal to that particular partner, right? And the way that we do that is we just tag them to the influence. [00:11:44] Darryl Peek: So we’re able to now track influence. And also the M-S-P-O-E-M work that we are also tracking and also we’re tracking the royalties. And lastly is the professional service work that we do with those partners. So we’re looking to go up into the right where we start them out at our select level, we go to our premier level and then our elite level. [00:12:00] Darryl Peek: But left and to the right, I say you gotta go from zero to one, one to five, five to 10, and then 10 to 25. So if we can actually see that progression. That is where we’re really starting to see health in the partnership, but also the executive alignment is really important. So when our CEO is able to meet with the fellow CEO of the co partner company that is really showing how we are progressing, but also our VPs and others that are engaged. [00:12:20] Darryl Peek: So those are things that we really do measure. We do have a health score card and also, we track accreditations, we track certifications as well as training outcomes based on our sales place. [00:12:30] Vince Menzione: Wow. There’s a lot of metrics there. Yeah. So you didn’t bring, you didn’t bring any slides with that out? [00:12:35] Darryl Peek: Oh, no. I’m not looking at slides, by the way. [00:12:40] Vince Menzione: Let’s talk about marketplace. [00:12:42] Darryl Peek: All right? [00:12:42] Vince Menzione: Because we’ve had a lot of conversations about marketplace. We’ve got both vendors up here talking about marketplace and the importance of marketplace, right? You’ve been a Marketplace Award winner. We haven’t really talked about that, like that motion per se. [00:12:55] Vince Menzione: I’d love to s I’d love to hear from you like how you, a, what you had to overcome to get to marketplace, what the marketplace motion looks like for your organization, what a marketplace first motion looks like. ’cause a lot of your cut a. Are all your customers requiring a lot of direct selling effort or is it some of it through Marketplace? [00:13:14] Vince Menzione: Like how does it, how does that work for you? [00:13:15] Darryl Peek: So Elastic is a global organization. Yeah. So we’re, 40 different countries. So it depends on where we’re talking. So if we talk about our international business, which is our A PJ and EMEA business we are seeing a lot more marketplace and we’re seeing that those direct deals with customers. [00:13:28] Darryl Peek: Okay. And we’re talking about our mirror business. A significant amount goes through marketplace and where our customers are transacting with the marketplace and are listing. On the marketplace within public sector, it’s more of a resell motion. Okay. So we are working with our resellers. [00:13:39] Darryl Peek: So we work our primary distribution partner is Carahsoft. So you heard from Craig earlier. Yes. We have a strong relationship with Carahsoft and definitely a big fan of this organization. But in regards to how we do that and how we track it we are looking at better ways to, track that orchestration and consumption numbers in order to see not only what customers we’re working with, but how can we really accelerate that motion and really get those leads and transactions going. [00:14:03] Vince Menzione: Very cool. Very cool. And I think part of the reason why in, in the government or public sector space it has a lot to do with the commitments are different. Absolutely. So it’s not government agencies aren’t able to make the same level of commitments that, private sector organizations were able to make, so they were able to the Mac or Microsoft parlance and also a AWS’s parlance. [00:14:23] Vince Menzione: Yeah, [00:14:24] Darryl Peek: definitely a different dynamic. Yeah. And especially within the public sector. ’cause we have Gov Cloud to work with, right? That’s right. So we’re working with Microsoft or we’re working with AWS, they have their Gov cloud and then we Google, they don’t have a Gov cloud, but we still have to work with them differently. [00:14:35] Darryl Peek: Yeah. Within that space. That’s [00:14:36] Vince Menzione: right. That’s right. So it makes the motion a little bit differently there. So I think we talked through some of this. I just wanna make sure we cover our points [00:14:43] Darryl Peek: here. One thing I’ll do an aside, you talked about the acre of diamonds. I’m a big fan of that story. [00:14:47] Vince Menzione: Yeah, let’s talk about Russ Con. Yeah, [00:14:49] Darryl Peek: let’s talk about it. Do you all know about the Acre Diamonds? Have you all heard that story before? No. You have some those in the audience. [00:14:55] Vince Menzione: I, you know what, let’s talk about it. All [00:14:56] Darryl Peek: See, I’m from Philadelphia. [00:14:57] Vince Menzione: I didn’t know you were a family. My daughter went to Temple University. [00:14:59] Vince Menzione: Ah, [00:15:00] Darryl Peek: okay. That’s all I know. So Russell Conwell. So he was, a gentleman out of the Philadelphia area and he went around town to raise money and he wanted to raise money because he believed that there was a promise within a specific area. And as he continued to raise this money, he would tell a story. [00:15:14] Darryl Peek: And basically it was a story about a farmer in Africa. And the farmer in Africa, to make it really short was essentially looking to be become very wealthy. And because he wanted to become very wealthy, he believed that selling his farm and going off to a long distant land was the primary way for him to find diamonds. [00:15:28] Darryl Peek: And this farmer didn’t sold us. Sold his place, then went off to to this foreign land, and he ended up dying. And people thought that was the end of the story, but there was another farmer who bought that land and one time this big, and they called him the ot, came to the door and said you mind if I have some tea with you? [00:15:43] Darryl Peek: He said, all right, come on in. Have a drink. And as he had the drink, he looked upon the mantle and his mouth dropped. And then the farmer said what’s wrong? What do you say? He says, do you know what that is? No. He said no. Do you know what that is? He says, no. He said, that’s the biggest diamond I’ve ever seen, and the farmer goes. [00:16:01] Darryl Peek: That’s weird because there’s a bunch right in the back where I go grab my fruits and crops every day. So the idea of the acre diamonds and sometimes that you don’t need to go off to a far off land. It is actually sometimes right under your feet, and that is a story that helped fund the starting of Temple University. [00:16:16] Vince Menzione: I’m gonna need to take you at every single event so you can tell this story again. That’s an awesome job. Oh, I love it. And yeah, they founded a Temple University. Yeah. Which has become an incredible university. My daughter, like I said, my daughter’s a graduate, so we’re Temple fan. That’s great story. [00:16:31] Vince Menzione: That is a very cool, I didn’t realize you were a Philadelphia guy too, so that is awesome. Go birds. Go birds. All right, good. So let’s talk, I think we talked a little bit about your ecosystem approach, but maybe just a little bit more on this, like you said, like a lot of data, a lot of metrics but also a lot of these organizations also have to under understand the engineering side of things. [00:16:53] Vince Menzione: Oh, yeah. There’s a tremendous amount to become. Not everybody could just show up one day and become an elastic partner [00:16:58] Darryl Peek: absolutely. Absolutely. So take us [00:16:59] Vince Menzione: through that process. [00:17:00] Darryl Peek: Yeah. So one of the things that we are trying to mature and we have matured is our partner go to market. [00:17:06] Darryl Peek: So in order to join our partner ecosystem, you have to sign ’em through our partner portal. You have to sign our indirect reseller agreement. ’cause we do sell primarily within the public sector through distribution. And we only go direct if it is by exception. So you have to get justification through myself as well as our VP for public sector. [00:17:21] Darryl Peek: But we really do try to make sure that we can aggregate this because one thing that we have to monitor is terms and conditions. ’cause of course, working with the government, there’s a lot of terms and conditions. So we try to alleviate that by having it go through caresoft, they’re able to absorb some, so this way we can actually transact with the government. [00:17:36] Darryl Peek: In regards to the team though we try to really work closely with our solution architecture team. So this way we can develop clear enablement strategies with our partners so this way they know what it is we do, but also how to properly bring us up in a conversation. Also handle objections and also what are we doing to implement our solutions within other markets. [00:17:55] Darryl Peek: So those are things that we are doing as well as partner marketing. Top of funnel activity is really important, so we’re trying to differentiate what we’re doing with the field and field marketing. So you’re doing the leads and m qls and things of that nature also with partner marketing. So our partner marketing actually is driven by leads, but also we’re trying to transact. [00:18:10] Darryl Peek: And get Ps of which our partner deal registration. So that is how we align our partner go to market. And that is actually translating into our partner source outcomes. [00:18:18] Vince Menzione: And I think we have a slide that talks a little bit about your public sector partner strategy. [00:18:23] Darryl Peek: Oh yeah. Oh, I share that. So I thought maybe we could spin it. [00:18:25] Darryl Peek: Absolutely. [00:18:25] Vince Menzione: I know you we can’t see it, but they can. Oh, they can. Okay. Great. [00:18:29] Darryl Peek: There it’s there. [00:18:30] Vince Menzione: It’s career. [00:18:31] Darryl Peek: One thing, I think this was Einstein has said, if you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough. So that was the one thing. So I always was a big fan of creating a one page strategy. [00:18:39] Darryl Peek: And based on this one page strategy one of the things when I worked at Salesforce it was really about a couple things and the saying, okay, what are your bookings? And if you don’t have bookings, what does your pipeline look like? If you don’t have pipeline, what does your prospecting look like? [00:18:51] Darryl Peek: Yeah. If you don’t have prospecting what does your account plan look like? And if you don’t have an account plan, why are you here? Why are you here? Exactly. So those are the things that I really talk to my team about is just really a, it’s about bookings. It’s about pipeline. It’s about planning, enablement and execution. [00:19:05] Darryl Peek: It’s about marketing, branding and evangelism, and also about operational excellence and how to execute. Very cool. So being able to do that and also I, since I came from Salesforce, I talk to my team a lot about Salesforce hygiene. So we really talk about that a lot. So make, making sure we’re making proper use of chatter, but also as we talk about utilizing ai, we just try to. [00:19:21] Darryl Peek: How do we simplify that, right? So if we’re using Zoom or we’re using Google, how do we make sure that we’re capturing those meeting minutes, translating that, putting that into the system, so therefore we have a record of that engagement with that partner. So this is a continuous threat. So this way I don’t have to call my partner manager the entire time. [00:19:36] Darryl Peek: I can look back, see what actions, see what was discussed, and say, okay, how can we keep this conversation going? Because we shouldn’t have to have those conversations every time. I shouldn’t have to text you to say, give me the download on every partner. Every time. How do we automate that? And that’s really where you’re creating this context window with your Genive ai. [00:19:53] Darryl Peek: I think they said what 75% of organizations are using one AI tool. And I think 1% are mature in that. But also a number of organizations, it’s 90% of organizations are using generative AI tools to some degree. So we are using gen to bi. We do use a number of them. We have elastic GPT. Nice little brand there. [00:20:11] Darryl Peek: But yeah, we use that for not only understanding what’s in our our repositories and data lakes and data warehouses, but also what are some answers that we can have in regards to proposal responses, RP responses, RFI, responses and the like. [00:20:23] Vince Menzione: And you’re reaching out to the other LLMs through your tool? [00:20:26] Darryl Peek: We can actually interact with any LLM. So we are a LLM Agnostic. [00:20:29] Vince Menzione: Got it. Yep. That’s fantastic. And this slide is we’ll make this available if you don’t have a, yeah, have a chance. We’ll share it. I [00:20:36] Darryl Peek: am happy to share, yeah. And obviously happy to talk, reach out about it. Of, of course. I simplified it in order to account for you, but one of the things that I talk about is mission, vision of values. [00:20:45] Darryl Peek: And as we start with that is what is your mission now? How is anybody from Pittsburgh, anybody steal a fan? Oh wow. No, there’s a steel fan over [00:20:54] Vince Menzione: here. There’s one here. There’s a couple of ’em are out here. So I feel bad. [00:20:57] Darryl Peek: The reason why I put immaculate in there is for the immaculate reception, actually. [00:21:00] Darryl Peek: Yes. And basically saying that if you ever seen that play, it was not pretty at all. It was a very discombobulated play. Yeah. And I usually say that’s the way that you work with partners too, because when that deal doesn’t come in, when you gotta make a call, when you’re texting somebody at 11 o’clock at night, when you’re trying to get that at, right before quarter end. [00:21:17] Darryl Peek: Yeah. Before the end of it. It really is difficult, but it’s really creating that immaculate experience. You want that partner to come back. I know it’s challenging, but I appreciate how you leaned in with us. Yes, absolutely. I appreciate how you work with us. I appreciate how you held our hand through the process, and that’s what I tell my team, that we have to create that partner experience. [00:21:32] Darryl Peek: And maybe that’s a carryover from Salesforce, Dave. I don’t know. But also when we talk about enhancing or accelerating our partner. Our public sector outcomes that is really working with the customer, right? So customer experience has to be part of it. Like all of us have to be focused on that North star, and that is really how do we service the customer, and that’s what we choose to do. [00:21:48] Darryl Peek: But also the internal part. So I used to survey my team many moves ago, and I said, if we don’t get 80% satisfaction rate from our employees how do we get 60% satisfaction rate from our customers? Yeah. So really focus on that employee success and employee satisfaction. It’s so important, is very important. [00:22:03] Darryl Peek: So being able to understand what are the needs of your employees? Are you really addressing their concerns and are you really driving them forward? Are you challenging them? Are you creating pathways for progression? So those are things that I definitely try to do with my team. As well as just really encouraging, inspiring, yeah. [00:22:19] Darryl Peek: And just making sure that they’re having fun at the same time. [00:22:21] Vince Menzione: It shows up in such, I, there’s an airline I don’t fly any longer, and it was a million mile member of and I know it’s because of the way they treat their employees. [00:22:29] Vince Menzione: Because it cascades Right? [00:22:30] Darryl Peek: It does. Culture is important. [00:22:32] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Absolutely. [00:22:32] Darryl Peek: What is it? What Anderson Howard they say what col. Mark Andresen culture eat strategy for [00:22:37] Vince Menzione: breakfast. He strategy for breakfast? Yes. Very much this has been insightful. I really enjoyed having you here today. Really a great, you’re a lot of fun. You’re a lot of fun. [00:22:43] Vince Menzione: Darry, isn’t you? Amazing. So thank you for joining us. Thank you all. Thank And you’re gonna be, you’re gonna be sticking around for a little while today. I’m sticking around for a little while. I’ll be back in little later. I think people are gonna just en enjoy having a conversation with you, a little sidebar. [00:22:55] Darryl Peek: Absolutely. I’m looking forward to it. Thank you all for having me. Glad to be here. And thank you for giving the time today. [00:23:01] Vince Menzione: Thank you Darryl, so much. So appreciate it. And you’re gonna have to come join me on this Story Diamond tool. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for tuning into this episode of Ultimate Guide to Partnering. [00:23:12] Vince Menzione: We’re bringing these episodes to you to help you level up your strategy. If you haven’t yet, now’s the time to take action and think about joining our community. We created a unique place, UPX or Ultimate partner experience. It’s more than a community. It’s your competitive edge with insider insights, real-time education, and direct access to people who are driving the ecosystem forward. [00:23:38] Vince Menzione: UPX helps you get results, and we’re just getting started as we’re taking this studio. And we’ll be hosting live stream and digital events here, including our January live stream, the Boca Winter Retreat, and more to come. So visit our website, the ultimate partner.com to learn more and join us. Now’s the time to take your partnerships to the next level.

Managed Service Providers (MSPs) are encouraged to shift their focus from traditional infrastructure management to becoming Managed Intelligence Providers (MIPs), emphasizing the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) into their service offerings. Chance Weaver, VP of AI Adoption at PAX 8, highlights the necessity for MSPs to engage in deeper conversations with clients about their business processes rather than merely discussing technology tools. This approach aims to identify specific business challenges that can be addressed through tailored technological solutions, including AI, automation, and business intelligence.Weaver notes that while many MSPs have historically excelled in maintaining infrastructure, they often lack a comprehensive understanding of their clients' workflows and business needs. The transition to MIPs involves not only understanding business processes but also ensuring data readiness, which is critical for effective AI implementation. Instead of undertaking extensive data cleanup projects upfront, MSPs should focus on the data relevant to specific business processes, thereby demonstrating immediate ROI and building trust with clients.The episode also discusses the importance of outcome-driven services and the potential for MSPs to monetize AI solutions effectively. Weaver shares insights from his interviews with over 650 partners in the PAX 8 ecosystem, revealing that only a small percentage are currently generating revenue from AI-related services. Successful partners are leveraging their existing relationships and expertise to create value for clients by aligning pricing models with measurable outcomes, thus facilitating a smoother transition to AI adoption.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the urgency to start conversations about AI with clients, even if they are not yet fully equipped to implement these solutions. By positioning themselves as knowledgeable partners in the AI transformation journey, MSPs can capitalize on emerging opportunities and enhance their service offerings. The discussion emphasizes that while some providers may choose to adopt a fast-follower strategy, those who proactively engage with clients about AI will likely gain a competitive advantage in the evolving market landscape.

The conversation centers on the evolving role of automation in Managed Service Providers (MSPs), particularly the implementation of human-in-the-loop AI systems. Mathieu Tougas, CEO of Mizo Technologies, emphasizes that while automation can significantly enhance efficiency—reporting a 26% increase in technician capacity and a 30% reduction in escalations—maintaining human oversight is crucial for ensuring service quality. This approach allows technicians to delegate low-value tasks to AI agents while focusing on higher-value customer interactions, thereby preserving the essential human element in service delivery.Tougas outlines the methodology behind these efficiency gains, which involves analyzing ticket resolution times before and after deploying Mizo's solutions. The data indicates that technicians can handle more tickets in less time, which can lead to reduced staffing needs without compromising service quality. He also addresses common misconceptions among MSPs regarding AI, particularly the fear of losing control over service quality when delegating tasks to automated systems. Instead, he argues that AI should be viewed as a tool to enhance technician capabilities rather than replace them.The discussion also touches on the importance of integrating AI tools into existing workflows without causing disruption. Mizo Technologies employs a two-week fine-tuning period to adapt its systems to the specific processes of each MSP, ensuring a smoother transition and minimizing the need for extensive retraining. This gradual approach allows organizations to build trust in the AI systems while optimizing their service desk operations.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity of balancing automation with human oversight to maintain service quality. As the industry moves towards greater automation, understanding the right contexts for AI deployment and ensuring robust processes are in place will be essential for maximizing efficiency and customer satisfaction. Embracing AI thoughtfully can lead to significant operational improvements while still addressing the critical need for human interaction in service delivery.

In this enlightening episode of MSP Business School, host Brian Doyle engages with Taiye Lambo, an expert outside the traditional MSP community, to delve into the burgeoning world of AI. Introduced as a crucial discourse surrounding artificial intelligence, the conversation captures Taiye's insights on the myriad ways AI can be implemented responsibly, focusing on his Project Cerebellum initiative. Taiye Lambo's distinctive experiences, from his early days as an IT manager in the UK to his current work in AI governance, serve as a backdrop for this intriguing discussion. Throughout the episode, Taiye elaborates on the complexities of AI integration in modern technology, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach between innovation and risk management. The conversation encompasses discussions about frameworks like the NIST AI RMF and emerging regulations, such as the Texas Responsible AI Governance Act (TRAIGA). Taiye's passionate advocacy for harmonizing global AI standards and promoting an efficient, secure, and ethical approach to AI adoption is laid bare, making this episode a valuable listen for those invested in technology ethics and cybersecurity. Key Takeaways: AI Integration Complexity: The expanding role and potential challenges of AI in tech sectors necessitate a thoughtful approach to integration, prioritizing innovation without compromising security. Risk Management Balance: Organizations must evaluate their position on the innovation curve, balancing between leading-edge and laggard tendencies depending on their risk appetite. Regulatory Insight: The importance of aligning with frameworks like NIST AI RMF to meet emerging state-level AI regulations, as exemplified by Texas's upcoming AI governance law, is highlighted. Project Cerebellum's Mission: Taiye introduces his initiative's mission to harmonize AI best practices across global standards, offering practical tools and frameworks like the TAMEScore platform. Future of AI Governance: Encouragement for stakeholders to proactively engage with AI technologies, understanding the dual impacts, both beneficial and risky, of thes Guest Name: Taiye Lambo LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taiyelambo/ Company: Holistic Information Security Practitioner Institute (HISPI) Website: https://www.hispi.org/ Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Host Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylevciotoolbox/ Sponsor vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com

One benefit of getting older? You see patterns over a longer horizon. And here's one I keep seeing in sales and marketing: people proclaiming channels are dead. Cold calling is dead—nobody answers their phone. Webinars don't work. Cold email is ruined by spam filters. LinkedIn organic content doesn't work. Canvassing is impossible. DM selling has been destroyed by automation. I've heard every single one of these channels proclaimed dead—sometimes by people I actually respect who used to crush it in that channel, then didn't evolve with it, and now their message is "it doesn't work." Here's what I know from seeing inside 500 MSPs last year: when we do attribution exercises on closed deals, every single fucking one of those "dead" channels is represented. Which means they DO work. The question isn't "does it work?" It's "do you know how to make it work?" This episode breaks down why the biggest mistake is looking for a channel that works instead of picking one and committing to making it work. Learn the cycle every channel goes through (hard learning curve → figure it out → generate results → shit changes → adapt), why that cycle is actually good because if it was easy everyone would do it, and why harder channels give you longer reward cycles. Stop saying "this doesn't work" and start saying "I don't know how to make this work yet." The reframe matters. I saw someone post "cold calling's dead" on LinkedIn and thought "God, here we go again." So that's my drop for today.//Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Welcome back to the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® Podcast. AI agents are your next customers. Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://theultimatepartner.com/ebook-subscribe/ Check Out UPX:https://theultimatepartner.com/experience/ https://youtu.be/vEdq8rpBM3I In this data-rich keynote, Jay McBain deconstructs the tectonic shifts reshaping the $5.3 trillion global technology industry, arguing that we are entering a new 20-year cycle where traditional direct sales models are obsolete. McBain explains why 96% of the industry is now surrounded by partners and how successful companies must pivot from “flywheels and theory” to a granular strategy focused on the seven specific partners present in every deal. From the explosion of agentic AI and the $163 billion marketplace revolution to the specific mechanics of multiplier economics, this discussion provides a roadmap for navigating the “decade of the ecosystem” where influence, trust, and integration—not just product—determine winners and losers. Key Takeaways Half of today's Fortune 500 companies will likely vanish in the next 20 years due to the shift toward AI and ecosystem-led models. Every B2B deal now involves an average of seven trusted partners who influence the decision before a vendor even knows a deal exists. Microsoft has outpaced AWS growth for 26 consecutive quarters largely because of a superior partner-led geographic strategy. Marketplaces are projected to grow to $163 billion by 2030, with nearly 60% of deals involving partner funding or private offers. The “Multiplier Effect” is the new ROI, where partners can make up to $8.45 for every dollar of vendor product sold. Future dominance relies on five key pillars: Platform, Service Partnerships, Channel Partnerships, Alliances, and Go-to-Market orchestration. If you're ready to lead through change, elevate your business, and achieve extraordinary outcomes through the power of partnership—this is your community. At Ultimate Partner® we want leaders like you to join us in the Ultimate Partner Experience – where transformation begins. Keywords: Jay McBain, Canalys, partner ecosystem, channel chief, agentic AI, marketplace growth, multiplier economics, B2B sales trends, tech industry forecast, service partnerships, strategic alliances, Microsoft vs AWS, distribution transformation, managed services growth, SaaS platforms, customer journey mapping, 28 moments of truth, future of reselling, technology spending 2025, ecosystem orchestration, partner multipliers. T Transcript: Jay McBain WORKFILE FOR TRANSCRIPT [00:00:00] Vince Menzione: Just up from, did you Puerto Rico last night? Puerto Rico, yes. Puerto Rico. He dodged the hurricane. Um, you all know him. Uh, let him introduce himself for those of you who don’t, but just thrilled to have on the stage, again, somebody who knows more about what’s going on in, in the, and has the pulse on this industry probably than just about anybody I know personally. [00:00:21] Vince Menzione: J Jay McBain. Jay, great to see you my friend. Alright, thank you. We have to come all the way. We live, we live uh, about 20 minutes from each other. We have to come all the way to Reston, Virginia to see each other, right? That’s right. Very good. Well, uh, that’s all over to you, sir. Thank you. [00:00:35] Jay McBain: Alright, well thank you so much. [00:00:36] Jay McBain: I went from 85 degrees yesterday to 45 today, but I was able to dodge that, uh, that hurricane, uh, that we kind of had to fly through the northern edge of, uh, wanna talk today about our industry, about the ultimate partner. I’m gonna try to frame up the ultimate partner as I walk through the data and the latest research that, uh, that we’ve been doing in the market. [00:00:56] Jay McBain: But I wanted to start here ’cause our industry moves in 20 year cycles, and if you look at the Fortune 500 and dial back 20 years from today, 52% of them no longer exist. As we step into the next 20 year AI era, half of the companies that we know and love today are not gonna exist. So we look at this, and by the way, if you’re not in the Fortune 500 and you don’t have deep pockets to buy your way outta problems, 71% of tech companies fail over the course of 10 years. [00:01:30] Jay McBain: Those are statistics from the US government. So I start to look at our industry and you know, you may look at the, you know, mainframe era from the sixties and seventies, mini computers, August the 12th, 1981, that first IBM, PC with Microsoft dos, version one, you know, triggered. A new 20 year era of client server. [00:01:51] Jay McBain: It was the time and I worked at IBM for 17 years, but there was a time where Bill Gates flew into Boca Raton, Florida and met with the IBM team and did that, you know, fancy licensing agreement. But after, you know, 20 years of being the most valuable company in the world and 13 years of antitrust and getting broken up, almost like at and TIBM almost didn’t make payroll. [00:02:14] Jay McBain: 13 years after meeting Bill Gates. Yeah, that’s how quickly things change in these eras. In 1999, a small company outta San Francisco called salesforce.com got its start. About 10 years later, Jeff Bezos asked a question in a boardroom, could we rent out our excess capacity and would other companies buy it? [00:02:35] Jay McBain: Which, you know, most people in the room laughed at ’em at the time. But it created a 20 year cloud era when our friends, our neighbors, our family. Saw Chachi PT for the first time in March of 2023. They saw the deep fakes, they saw the poetry, they saw the music. They came to us as tech people and said, did we just light up Skynet? [00:02:58] Jay McBain: And that consumer trend has triggered this next 20 years. I could walk through the richest people in the world through those trends. I could walk through the most valuable companies. It all aligns. ’cause by the way, Apple’s no longer at the top. Nvidia is at the top, Microsoft. Second, things change really quickly. [00:03:17] Jay McBain: So in that course of time, you start to look at our industry and as people are talking about a six and a half or $7 trillion build out of ai, that’s open AI and Microsoft numbers, that is bigger than our industry that’s taken over 50 years to build. This year, we’re gonna finish the year at $5.3 trillion. [00:03:36] Jay McBain: That’s from the smallest flower shop to the biggest bank. Biggest governments that Caresoft would, uh, serve biggest customer in the world is actually the federal government of the us. But you look at this pie chart and you look at the changes that we’re gonna go through over the next 20 years, there’s about a trillion dollars in hardware. [00:03:54] Jay McBain: There’s about a trillion dollars in software. If you look forward through all of the merging trends, quantum computing, humanoid robots, all the things that are coming that dollar to dollar software to hardware will continue to exist all the way through. We see services making up almost two thirds of this pie. [00:04:13] Jay McBain: Yesterday I was in a telco conference with at and t and Verizon and T-Mobile and some of the biggest wireless players and IT services, which happen to be growing faster than products. At the moment, there is more work to be done wrapping around the deal than the actual products that the customer is buying. [00:04:32] Jay McBain: So in an industry that’s growing at 7%. On top of the world economy that’s grown at 2.2. This is the fastest growing industry, and it will be at least for the next 10 years, if not 2070 0.1% of this entire $5 trillion gets transacted through partners. While what we’re talking to today about the ultimate partner, 96% of this industry is surrounded by partners in one way or another. [00:05:01] Jay McBain: They’re there before the deal. They’re there at the deal. They’re there after the deal. Two thirds of our industry is now subscription consumption based. So every 30 days forever, and a customer for life becomes everything. So if every deal in medium, mid-market, and higher has seven partners, according to McKinsey, who are those seven people trying to get into the deal? [00:05:25] Jay McBain: While there’s millions of companies that have come into tech over the last 10 to 20 years. Digital agencies, accountants, legal firms, everybody’s come in. The 250,000 SaaS companies, a million emerging tech companies, there’s a big fight to be one of those seven trusted people at the table. So millions of companies and tens of millions of people our competing for these slots. [00:05:49] Jay McBain: So one of the pieces of research I’m most proud of, uh, in my analyst career is this. And this took over two years to build. It’s a lot of logos. Not this PowerPoint slide, but the actual data. Thousands of people hours. Because guess what? When you look at partners from the top down, the top 1000 partners, by capability and capacity, not by resale. [00:06:15] Jay McBain: It’s not a ranking of CDW and insight and resale numbers. It is the surrounding. Consulting, design, architecture, implementations, integrations, managed services, all the pieces that’s gonna make the next 20 years run. So when you start to look at this, 98% of these companies are private, so very difficult to get to those numbers and, uh, a ton of research and help from AI and other things to get this. [00:06:41] Jay McBain: But this is it. And if you look at this list, there’s a thousand logos out of the million companies. There’s a thousand logos that drive two thirds of all tech services in the world. $1.07 trillion gets delivered by a thousand companies, but here’s where it gets fun. Those companies in the middle, in blue, the 30 of them deliver more tech services than the next 970. [00:07:08] Jay McBain: Combined the 970 combined in white deliver more tech services. Then the next million combined. So if you think we live in an 80 20 rule or maybe a 99, a 95 5 rule, or a 99 1 rule, we actually live in a 99.9 0.1 parallel principle. These companies spread around the world evenly split across the uh, different regions. [00:07:35] Jay McBain: South Africa, Latin America, they’re all over. They split. They split among types. All of the Venn diagram I just showed from GSIs to VARs to MSPs, to agencies and other types of companies. But this is a really rich list and it’s public. So every company in the world now, if you’re looking at Transactable data, if you’re looking at quantifiable data that you can go put your revenue numbers against, it represents 70 to 80% of every company in this room’s Tam. [00:08:08] Jay McBain: In one piece of research. So what do you do below that? How do you cover a million companies that you can’t afford to put a channel account manager? You can’t afford to write programs directly for well after the top down analysis and all the wallet share and you know exactly where the lowest hanging fruit is for most of your tam. [00:08:28] Jay McBain: The available markets. The obtainable markets. You gotta start from the community level grassroots up. So you need to ask the question for the million companies and the maybe a hundred thousand companies out there, partner companies that are surrounding your customer. These are the seven partners that surround your customer. [00:08:48] Jay McBain: What do they read, where do they go, and who do they follow? Interestingly enough, our industry globally equates to only a thousand watering holes, a thousand companies at the top, a thousand places at the bottom. 35% of this audience we’re talking. Millions of people here love events and there’s 352 of them like this one that they love to go to. [00:09:13] Jay McBain: They love the hallway chats, they love the hotel lobby bar, you know, in a time reminded by the pandemic. They love to be in person. It’s the number one way they’re influenced. So if you don’t have a solid event strategy and you don’t have a community team out giving out socks every week, your competitors might beat you. [00:09:31] Jay McBain: 12% of this audience loves podcasts. It’s the Joe Rogan effect of our industry. And while you know, you may not think the 121 podcasts out there are important, well, you’re missing 12% of your audience. It’s over a million people. If you’re not on a weekly podcast in one of these podcasts in the world, there’s still people that read one of the 106 magazines in the world. [00:09:55] Jay McBain: There are people that love peer groups, associations, they wanna be part of this. There’s 15 different ways people are influenced. And a solid grassroots strategy is how you make this happen. In the last 10 years, we’ve created a number of billionaires. Bottom up. They never had to go talk to la large enterprise. [00:10:15] Jay McBain: They never had to go build out a mid-market strategy. They just went and give away socks and new community marketing. And this has created, I could rip through a bunch of names that became unicorns just in the last couple of years, bottoms up. You go back to your board walking into next year, top down, bottom up. [00:10:34] Jay McBain: You’ve covered a hundred percent of your tam, and now you’ve covered it with names, faces, and places. You haven’t covered it with a flywheel or a theory. And for 44 years, we have gone to our board every fourth quarter with flywheels and theory. Trust me, partners are important. The channel is key to us. [00:10:57] Jay McBain: Well, let’s talk at the point of this granularity, and now we’re getting supported by technology 261 entrepreneurs. Many of them in the room actually here that are driving this ability to succeed with seven partners in every deal to exchange data to be able to exchange telemetry of these prospects to be able to see twice or three times in terms of pipeline of your target addressable market. [00:11:26] Jay McBain: All these ai, um, technologies, agentic technologies are coming into this. It’s all about data. It’s all about quantifiable names, faces, and places. Now none of us should be walking around with flywheels, so let’s flip the flywheels. No. Uh, so we also look at, and I sold PCs for 17 years and that was in the high times of 40% margins for partners. [00:11:55] Jay McBain: But one interesting thing when you study the p and l for broad base of partners around the world, it’s changed pretty significantly in this last 20 year era. What the cloud era did is dropped hardware from what used to be 84% plus the break fix and things that wrap around it of the p and l to now 16% of every partner in the world. [00:12:16] Jay McBain: 84% of their p and l is now software and services. And if you look at profitability, it’s worse. It’s actually 87% is profitability wise. They’ve completely shifted in terms of where they go. Now we look at other parts of our market. I could go through every part of the pie of the slide, but we’re watching each of the companies, and if you can see here, this is what we want to talk about in terms of ultimate partner. [00:12:43] Jay McBain: Microsoft has outgrown AWS for 26 straight quarters. They don’t have a better product. They don’t have a better price, they don’t have better promotion. It’s all place. And I’ll explain why you guess here in the light green line. Exactly. The day that Google went a hundred percent all in partner, every deal, even if a deal didn’t have a partner, one of the 4% of deals that didn’t have a partner, they injected a partner. [00:13:09] Jay McBain: You can see on the left side exactly where they did it. They got to the point of a hundred percent partner driven. Rebuilt their programs, rebuilt their marketplace. Their marketplace is actually larger than Microsoft’s, and they grew faster than Microsoft. A couple of those quarters. It is a partner driven future, and now I have Oracle, which I just walked by as I walked from the hotel. [00:13:31] Jay McBain: Oracle with their RPOs will start to join. Maybe the list of three hyperscalers becomes the list of four in future slides, but that’s a growth slide. Market share is different. AWS early and commanding lead. And it plays out, uh, plays out this way. But we’re at an interesting moment and I stood up six years ago talking about the decade of the ecosystem after we went through a decade of sales starting in 1999 when we all thought we were born to be salespeople. [00:14:02] Jay McBain: We managed territories with our gut. The sales tech stack would have it different, that sales was a science, and we ended the decade 2009, looking at sales very differently in 2009. I remember being at cocktail parties where CMOs would be joking around that 50% of their marketing dollars were wasted. They just didn’t know which 50%. [00:14:23] Jay McBain: And I’ll tell you, that was really funny. In 2009 till every 58-year-old CMO got replaced by a 38-year-old growth hacker who walked in with 15,348 SaaS companies in their MarTech and ad tech stack to solve the problem, every nickel of marketing by 2019 was tracked. Marketo, Eloqua, Pardot, HubSpot, driving this industry. [00:14:50] Jay McBain: Now, we stood up and said the 28 moments that come before a sale are pretty much all partner driven. In the best case scenario, a vendor might see four of the moments. They might come to your website, maybe they read an ebook, maybe they have a salesperson or a demo that comes in. That’s four outta 28 moments. [00:15:10] Jay McBain: The other 24 are done by partners. Yeah, in the worst case scenario and the majority scenario, you don’t see any of the moments. All 28 happen and you lose a deal without knowing there ever was a deal. So this is it. We need to partner in these moments and we need to inject partners into sales and marketing, like no time before, and this was the time to do it. [00:15:33] Jay McBain: And we got some feedback in the Salesforce state of sales report, which doesn’t involve any partnerships or, or. Channel Chiefs or anything else. This is 5,500 of the biggest CROs in the world that obviously use Salesforce. 89% of salespeople today use partners every day. For the 11% who don’t, 58% plan two within a year. [00:15:57] Jay McBain: If you add those two numbers together, that’s magically the 96% number. They recognize that every deal has partners in it. In 2024, last year, half of the salespeople in the world, every industry, every country. Miss their numbers. For the minority who made their numbers, 84 point percent pointed to partners as the reason why they made their numbers. [00:16:21] Jay McBain: It was the cheat code for sales, so that modern salesperson that knows how to orchestrate a deal, orchestrate the 28 moments with the seven partners and get to that final spot is the winning formula. HubSpot’s number in separate research was 84% in marketing. So we’re starting to see partners in here. We don’t have to shout from the mountaintops. [00:16:44] Jay McBain: These communities like ultimate Partner are working and we’re getting this to the highest levels in the board. And I’ll say that, you know, when 20 years from now half of the companies we know and love fail after we’re done writing the book and blaming the CEO for inventing the thing that ended up killing them, blaming the board for fiduciary responsibility and letting it happen. [00:17:06] Jay McBain: What are the other chapters of the book? And I think it’s all in one slide. We are in this platform economy and the. [00:17:31] Jay McBain: So your battery’s fine. Check, check, check, check. Alright, I’ll, I’ll just hold this in case, but the companies that execute on all five of these areas, well. Not only today become the trillion dollar valued companies, but they become the companies of tomorrow. These will be the fastest growing companies at every level. [00:17:50] Jay McBain: Not only running a platform business, but participating in other platforms. So this is how it breaks out, and there are people at very senior levels, at very big companies that have this now posted in the office of the CEO winning on integrations is everything. We just went through a demographic shift this year where 51% of our buyers are born after 1982. [00:18:15] Jay McBain: Millennials are the number one buyer of the $5 trillion. Their number one buying criteria is not service. Support your price, your brand reputation, it’s integrations. The buy a product, 80% is good as the next one if it works better in their environment. 79% of us won’t buy a car unless it has CarPlay or Android Auto. [00:18:34] Jay McBain: This is an integration world. The company with the most integrations win. Second, there are seven partners that surround the customer. Highly trusted partners. We’re talking, coaching the customer’s, kids soccer team, having a cottage together up at the lake. You know, best men, bate of honors at weddings type of relationships. [00:18:57] Jay McBain: You can’t maybe have all seven, but how does Microsoft beat AWS? They might have had two, three, or four of them saying nice things about them instead of the competition. Winning in service partnerships and channel partnerships changes by category. If you’re selling MarTech, only 10% of it today is resold, so you build more on service partnerships. [00:19:18] Jay McBain: If you’re in cybersecurity today, 91.6% of it is resold. Transacted through partners. So you build a lot of channel partnerships, plus the service partnerships, whatever the mix is in your category, you have to have two or three of those seven people. Saying nice things about you at every stage of the customer journey. [00:19:38] Jay McBain: Now move over to alliances. We have already built the platforms at the hyperscale level. We’ve built the platforms within SaaS, Salesforce, ServiceNow, Workday, Marketo, NetSuite, HubSpot. Every buyer has a set of platforms that they buy. We’ve now built them in cybersecurity this year out of 6,500 as high as cyber companies, the top five are starting to separate. [00:20:02] Jay McBain: We built it in distribution, which I’ll show in a minute. We’re building it in Telco. This is a platform economy and alliances win and you have alliances with your competitors ’cause you compete in the morning, but you’re best friends by the afternoon. Winning in other platforms is just as important as driving your own. [00:20:20] Jay McBain: And probably the most important part of this is go to market. That sales, that marketing, the 28 moments, the every 30 days forever become all a partner strategy. So there’s still CEOs out there that believe platform is a UI or UX on a bunch of disparate products and things you’ve acquired. There’s still CFOs out there that Think platform is a pricing model, a bundle model of just getting everything under one, you know, subscription price or consumption price. [00:20:51] Jay McBain: And it’s not, platforms are synonymous with partnerships. This is the way forward and there’s no conversation around ai. That doesn’t involve Nvidia over there, an open AI over here and a hyperscaler over there and a SaaS company over here. The seven layer stack wins every single time, and the companies that get this will be the ones that survive this cycle. [00:21:16] Jay McBain: Now, flipping over to marketplaces. So we had written research that, um, about five years ago that marketplaces were going to grow at 82% compounded. Yeah, probably one of the most accurate predictions we ever made, because it happened, we, we predicted that, uh, we were gonna get up to about $85 billion. Well, now we’ve extended that to 2030, so we’re gonna get up to $163 billion, and the thing that we’re watching is in green. [00:21:46] Jay McBain: If 96% of these deals are partner assisted in some way, how is the economics of partnering going to work? We predicted that 50% of deals by 2027. Would be partner funded in some way. Private offers multi-partner offers distributor sellers of record, and now that extends to 59% by 2030, the most senior leader of the biggest marketplace AWS, just said to us they’re gonna probably make these numbers on their own. [00:22:14] Jay McBain: And he asked what their two competitors are doing. So he’s telling us that we under called this. Now when you look at each of the press releases, and this is the AWS Billion Dollar Club. Every one of the companies on the left have issued a press release that they’re in the billion dollar club. Some of them are in the multi-billions, but I want you to double click on this press release. [00:22:35] Jay McBain: I’m quoted in here somewhere, but as CrowdStrike is building the marketplace at 91% compounded, they’re almost doubling their revenue every single year. They’re growing the partner funding, in this case, distributor funding by 3548%. Almost triple digit growth in marketplace is translating into almost quadruple digit growth in funding. [00:23:01] Jay McBain: And you see that over and over again as, as Splunk hit three, uh, billion dollars. The same. Salesforce hit $2 billion on AWS in Ulti, 18 months. They joined in October 20, 23, and 18 months later, they’re already at $2 billion. But now you’re seeing at Salesforce, which by the way. Grew up to $40 billion in revenue direct, almost not a nickel in resell. [00:23:28] Jay McBain: Made it really difficult for VARs and managed service providers to work with Salesforce because they couldn’t understand how to add services to something they didn’t book the revenue for. While $40 billion companies now seeing 70% of their deals come through partners. So this is just the world that we’re in. [00:23:44] Jay McBain: It doesn’t matter who you are and what industry you’re in, this takes place. But now we’re starting to see for the first time. Partners join the billion dollar club. So you wonder about partnering and all this funding and everything that’s working through Now you’re seeing press releases and companies that are redoing their LinkedIn branding about joining this illustrious club without a product to sell and all the services that wrap around it. [00:24:10] Jay McBain: So the opening session on Microsoft was interesting because there’s been a number of changes that Microsoft has done just in the last 30 days. One is they cut distribution by two thirds going from 180 distributors to 62. They cut out any small partner lower than a thousand dollars, and that doesn’t sound like a lot, but that’s over a hundred thousand partners that get deed tightening the long tail. [00:24:38] Jay McBain: They we’re the first to really put a global point system in place three years ago. They went to the new commerce experience. If you remember, all kinds of changes being led by. The biggest company for the channel. And so when we’re studying marketplaces, we’re not just studying the three hyperscalers, we’re studying what TD Cynic is doing with Stream One Ingram’s doing with Advant Advantage Aerosphere. [00:25:01] Jay McBain: Also, we’re watching what PAX eight, who by the way, is the 365 bestseller for Microsoft in the world. They are the cybersecurity leader for Microsoft in the world and the copilot. Leader in the world for Microsoft and Partner of the Year for Microsoft. So we’re watching what the cloud platforms are doing, watching what the Telco are doing, which is 25 cents out of every dollar, if you remember that pie chart, watching what the biggest resellers are converting themselves into. [00:25:30] Jay McBain: Vince just mentioned, you know, SHI in the changes there watching the managed services market and the leaders there, what they’re doing in terms of how this industry’s moving forward. By the way, managed services at $608 billion this year. Is one and a half times larger than the SaaS industry overall. [00:25:48] Jay McBain: It’s also one and a half times larger than all the hyperscalers combined. Oracle, Alibaba, IBM, all the way down. This is a massive market and it makes up 15 to 20 cents of every dollar the customer spend. We’re watching that industry hit a trillion dollars by the end of the decade, and we’re watching 150 different marketplace development platforms, the distribution of our industry, which today is 70.1% indirect. [00:26:13] Jay McBain: We’re starting to see that number, uh, solidify in terms of marketplaces as well. Watching distributors go from that linear warehouse in a bank to this orchestration model, watching some of the biggest players as the world comes around, platforms, it tightens around the place. So Caresoft, uh, from from here is the sixth biggest distributor in the world. [00:26:40] Jay McBain: Just shows you how big the. You know, biggest client in the world is that they serve. But understand that we’re publishing the distributor 500 list, but it’ll be the same thing. That little group in blue in the middle today, you know, drives almost two thirds of the market. So what happens in all this next stage in terms of where the dollars change hands. [00:27:07] Jay McBain: And the economics of partnering themselves are going through the most radical shift that we’ve seen ever. So back to the nineties, and, and for those of you that have been channel chiefs and running programs, we went to work every day. You know, everything’s on fire. We’re trying to check hundred boxes, trying to make our program 10% better than our competitors. [00:27:30] Jay McBain: Hey, we gotta fix our deal registration program today, and our incentives are outta whack or training programs or. You know, not where they need to be. Our certification, you know, this was the life of, uh, of a channel chief. Everybody thought we were just out drinking in the Caribbean with our best partners, but we were under the weight of this. [00:27:49] Jay McBain: But something interesting has happened is that we turned around and put the customer at the middle of our programs to say that those 28 moments in green before the sale are really, really important. And the seven partners who participate are really important. Understanding. The customer’s gonna buy a seven layer stack. [00:28:09] Jay McBain: They’re gonna buy it With these seven partners, the procurement stage is much different. The growth of marketplaces, the growth of direct in some of these areas, and then long term every 30 days forever in a managed service, implementations, integrations, how you upsell, cross-sell, enrich a deal changes. So how would you build a program that’s wrapped around the customer instead of the vendor? [00:28:35] Jay McBain: And we’re starting to hear our partners shout back to us. These are global surveys, big numbers, but over half of our partners, regardless of type, are selling consulting to their customer. Over half are designing architecting deals. A third of them are trying to be system integrators showing up at those implementation integration moments. [00:28:55] Jay McBain: Two thirds of them are doing managed services, but the shocking one here is 44% of our partners, regardless of type, are coding. They’re building agents and they’re out helping their customer at that level. So this is the modern partner that says, don’t typecast me. You may have thought of me in your program. [00:29:14] Jay McBain: You might have me slotted as a var. Well, I do 3.2 things, and if I don’t get access to those resources, if you don’t walk me to that room, I’m not gonna do them with you. You may have me as a managed service provider that’s only in the morning. By the afternoon I’m coding, and by the next morning I’m implementing and consulting. [00:29:33] Jay McBain: So again, a partner’s not a partner. That Venn diagram is a very loose one now, as every partner on there is doing 3.2 different business models. And again, they’re telling us for 43 years, they said, I want more leads this year it changed. For the first time, I want to be recognized and incentivized as more than just a cash register for you. [00:29:57] Jay McBain: I want you to recognize when I’m consulting, when I’m designing, when you’re winning deals, because of my wonderful services, by the way, we asked the follow up question, well, where should we spend our money with you? And they overwhelmingly say, in the consulting stage, you win and lose deals. Not at moment 28. [00:30:18] Jay McBain: We’re not buying a pack of gum at the gas station. This is a considered purchase. You win deals from moment 12 through 16 and I’m gonna show you a picture of that later, and they say, you better be spending your money there, or you’re not gonna win your fair share or more than your fair share of deals. [00:30:36] Jay McBain: The shocking thing about this is that Microsoft, when they went to the point system, lifted two thirds of all the money, tens of billions of dollars, and put it post-sale, and we were all scratching our heads going. Well, if the partners are asking for it there, and it seems like to beat your biggest competitors, you want to win there. [00:30:54] Jay McBain: Why would you spend the money on renewal? Well, they went to Wall Street and Goldman Sachs and the people who lift trillions of dollars of pension funds and said, if we renew deals at 108%, we become a cash machine for you. And we think that’s more valuable than a company coming out with a new cell phone in September and selling a lot of them by Christmas every year. [00:31:18] Jay McBain: The industry. And by the way, wall Street responded, Microsoft has been more valuable than Apple since. So we talk in this now multiplier language, and these are reports that we write, uh, at AMIA at canals. But talking about the partner opportunity in that customer cycle, the $6 and 40 cents you can make for every dollar of consumption, or the $7 and 5 cents you can make the $8 and 45 cents you can make. [00:31:46] Jay McBain: There’s over 24 companies speaking at this level now, and guess what? It’s not just cloud or software companies. Hardware companies are starting to speak in this language, and on January 25th, Cisco, you know, probably second to Microsoft in terms of trust built with the channel globally is moving to a full point system. [00:32:09] Jay McBain: So these are the changes that happen fast. But your QBR with your partners now less about drinking beers at the hotel lobby bar and talking dollar by dollar where these opportunities are. So if you’re doing 3.2 of these things, let’s build out a, uh, a play where you can make $3 for every dollar that we make. [00:32:28] Jay McBain: And you make that profitably. You make it in sticky, highly retained business, and that’s the model. ’cause if you make $3 for every dollar. We make, you’re gonna win Partner of the year, and if you win partner of the year, that piece of glass that you win on stage, by the time you get back to your table, you’re gonna have three offers to buy your business. [00:32:51] Jay McBain: CDW just bought a w. S’s Partner of the Year. Insight bought Google’s eight time partner of the year. Presidio bought ServiceNow’s, partner of the year over and over and over again. So I’m at Octane, I’m at CrowdStrike, I’m at all these events in Vegas every week. I’m watching these partners of the year. [00:33:05] Jay McBain: And I’m watching as the big resellers. I’m watching as the GSIs and the m and a folks are surrounding their table after, and they’re selling their businesses for SaaS level valuations. Not the one-to-one service valuation. They’re getting multiples because this is the new future of our industry. This is platform economics. [00:33:25] Jay McBain: This is winning and platforms for partners. Now, like Vince, I spent 20 minutes without talking about ai, but we have to talk about ai. So the next 20 years as it plays out is gonna play out in phases. And the first thing you know to get it out of the way. The first two years since that March of 23, has been underwhelming, to say the least. [00:33:47] Jay McBain: It’s been disappointing. All the companies that should have won the biggest in AI have been the most disappointing. It’s underperformed the s and p by a considerable amount in terms of where we are. And it goes back to this. We always overestimate the first two years, but we underestimate the first 10. [00:34:07] Jay McBain: If you wanna be the point in time person and go look at that 1983 PC or the 1995 internet or that 2007 iPhone or that whatever point in time you wanna look at, or if you want to talk about hallucinations or where chat chip ET version five is version, as opposed to where it’s going to be as it improves every six months here on in. [00:34:30] Jay McBain: But the fact of the matter is, it’s been a consumer trend. Nvidia got to be the most valuable company in the world. OpenAI was the first company to 2 billion users, uh, in that amount of speed. It’s the fastest growing product ever in history, and it’s been a consumer win this trillions of dollars to get it thrown around in the press releases. [00:34:49] Jay McBain: They’re going out every day, you know, open ai, signing up somebody new or Nvidia, investing in somebody new almost every single day in hundreds of billions of dollars. It is all happening really on the consumer side. So we got a little bit worried and said, is that 96% of surround gonna work in ag agentic ai? [00:35:10] Jay McBain: So we went and asked, and the good news is 88% of end customers are using partners to work through their ag agentic strategy. Even though they’re moving slow, they’re actually using partners. But what’s interesting from a partner perspective, and this is new research that out till 2030. This is the number one services opportunity in the entire tech or telco industry. [00:35:34] Jay McBain: 35.3% compounded growth ending at $267 billion in services. Companies are rebuilding themselves, building out practices, and getting on this train and figuring out which vendors they should hook their caboose to as those trains leave the station. But it kind of plays out like this. So in the next three to five years, we’re in this generative, moving into agentic phase. [00:36:01] Jay McBain: Every partner thinks internally first, the sales and marketing. They’re thinking about their invoicing and billing. They’re thinking about their service tickets. They’re thinking about creating a business that’s 10% better than their competitors, taking that knowledge into their customers and drive in business. [00:36:17] Jay McBain: But we understand that ag agentic AI, as it’s going to play out is not a product. A couple of years ago, we thought maybe a copilot or an agent force or something was going to be the product that everybody needed to buy, and it’s not a product, it’s gonna show up as a feature. So you go back in the history of feature ads and it’s gonna show up in software. [00:36:38] Jay McBain: So if you’re calling in SMB, maybe you’re calling on a restaurant. The restaurant isn’t gonna call OpenAI or call Microsoft or call Nvidia directly. They’re running their restaurant. And they may have chosen a platform like Toast Square, Clover, whatever iPads people are running around with, runs on a platform that does everything in their business, does staffing, does food ordering, works with Uber Eats, does everything end to end? [00:37:08] Jay McBain: They’re gonna wait to one of those platforms, dries out agent AI for them, and can run the restaurant more effectively, less human capital and more consistently, but they wait for the SaaS platform as you get larger. A hundred, 150 people. You have vice presidents. Each of those vice presidents already have a SaaS stack. [00:37:28] Jay McBain: I talked about Salesforce, ServiceNow, Workday, et cetera. They’ve already built that seven layer model and in some cases it’s 70 layers. But the fact is, is they’re gonna wait for those SaaS layers to deliver ag agentic to them. So this is how it’s gonna play out for the next three and a half, three to five years. [00:37:45] Jay McBain: And partners are realizing that many of them were slow to pick up SaaS ’cause they didn’t resell it. Well now to win in this next three to half, three to five years, you’re gonna have to play in this environment. When you start looking out from here, the next generation, you know, kind of five through 15 years gets interesting in more of a physical sense. [00:38:06] Jay McBain: Where I was yesterday talking about every IOT device that now is internet access, starts to get access to large language models. Every little sensor, every camera, everything that’s out there starts to get smart. But there’s a point. The first trillionaire, I believe, will be created here. Elon’s already halfway there. [00:38:24] Jay McBain: Um, but when Bill Gates thought there was gonna be a PC in every home, and IBM thought they were gonna sell 10,000 to hobbyists, that created the richest person in the world for 20 years, there will be a humanoid in every home. There’s gonna be a point in time that you’re out having drinks with your friends, and somebody’s gonna say, the early adopter of your friends is gonna say. [00:38:46] Jay McBain: I haven’t done the dishes in six weeks. I haven’t done the laundry. I haven’t made my bed. I haven’t mowed the lawn. When they say that, you’re gonna say, well, how? And they’re gonna say, well, this year I didn’t buy a new car, but I went to the car dealership and I bought this. So we’re very close to the dexterity needed. [00:39:05] Jay McBain: We’ve got the large language models. Now. The chat, GPT version 10 by then is going to make an insane, and every house is gonna have one of the. [00:39:17] Jay McBain: This is the promise of ai. It’s not humanoid robots, it’s not agents. It’s this. 99% of the world’s business data has not been trained or tuned into models yet. Again, this is the slow moving business. If you want to think about the 99% of business data, every flight we’ve all taken in this room sits on a saber system that was put in place in 1964. [00:39:43] Jay McBain: Every banking transaction, we’ve all made, every withdrawal, every deposit sits on an IBM mainframe put in place in the sixties or seventies. 83% of this data sits in cold storage at the edge. It’s not ready to be moved. It’s not cleansed, it’s not, um, indexed. It’s not in any format or sitting on any infrastructure that a large language model will be able to gobble up the data. [00:40:10] Jay McBain: None of the workflows, none of the programming on top of that data is yet ready. So this is your 10 to 20 year arc of this era that chat bot today when they cancel your flight is cute. It’s empathetic, it feels bad for you, or at least it seems to, but it can’t do anything. It can’t book you the Marriott and get you an Uber and then a 5:00 AM flight the next morning. [00:40:34] Jay McBain: It can’t do any of that. But more importantly, it doesn’t know who you are. I’ve got 53 years of flights under my belt and they, I’m the person that get me within six hours of my kids and get me a one-way Hertz rental. You know, if there’s bad weather in Miami, get me to Tampa, get me a Hertz, I’m driving home, I’m gonna make it home. [00:40:56] Jay McBain: I’m not the 5:00 AM get me a hotel person. They would know that if they picked up the flights that I’ve taken in the past. Each of us are different. When you get access to the business data and you become ag agentic, everything changes. Every industry changes because of this around the customers. When you ask about this 35% growth, working on that data, working in traditional consulting and design and implementation, working in the $7 trillion of infrastructure, storage, compute, networking, that’s gonna be around, this is a massive opportunity. [00:41:30] Jay McBain: Services are gonna continue to outgrow products. Probably for the next five to 10 years because of this, and I’m gonna finish here. So we talked a lot about quantifying names, faces, places, and I think where we failed the most as ultimate partners is underneath the tam, which every one of our CEOs knows to the decimal point underneath the TAM that our board thinks they’re chasing. [00:41:59] Jay McBain: We’ve done a very poor job. Of talking about the available markets and obtainable markets underneath it, we, we’ve shown them theory. We’ve shown them a bunch of, you know, really smart stuff, and PowerPoint slides up the wazoo, but we’ve never quantified it for them. If they wanna win, if they want to get access, if they want to double their pipeline, triple their pipeline, if they wanna start winning more deals, if they wanna win deals that are three times larger, they close two times faster. [00:42:31] Jay McBain: And they renew 15% larger. They have to get into the available and obtainable markets. So just in the last couple weeks I spoke at Cribble, I spoke at Octane, I spoke at CrowdStrike Falcon. All three of those companies at the CEO level, main stage use those exact three numbers, three x, two x, 15%. That’s the language of platforms, and they’re investing millions and millions and millions of dollars on teams. [00:42:59] Jay McBain: To go build out the Sam Andal in name spaces and places. So you’ve heard me talk about these 28 moments a lot. They’re the ones that you spend when you buy a car. Some people spend one moment and they drive to the Cadillac dealership. ’cause Larry’s been, you know, taking care of the family for 50 years. [00:43:18] Jay McBain: Some people spend 50 moments like I do, watching every YouTube video and every, you know, thing on the internet. I clear the internet cover to cover. But the fact is, is every deal averages around these 28 moments. Your customer, there’s 13 members of the buying committee today. There’s seven partners and they’re buying seven things. [00:43:37] Jay McBain: There’s 27 things orchestrating inside these 28 moments. And where and how they all take place is a story of partnering. So a couple of years ago, canals. Latin for channel was acquired by amia, which is a part of Informa Tech Target, which is majority owned by Informa. All that being said, there’s hundreds of magazines that we have. [00:44:00] Jay McBain: There’s hundreds of events that we run. If somebody’s buying cybersecurity, they probably went to Black Hat or they probably went to GI Tech. One of these events we run, or one of the magazines. So we pick up these signals, these buyer intent signals as a company. Why did they wanna, um, buy a, uh, a Canals, which was a, you know, a small analyst firm around channels? [00:44:22] Jay McBain: They understood this as well. The 28 moments look a lot like this when marketers and salespeople are busy filling in the spots of every deal. And by the way, this is a real deal. AstraZeneca came in to spend millions of dollars on ASAP transformation, and you can start to see as the customer got smart. [00:44:45] Jay McBain: The eBooks, they read the podcasts, they listened to the events they went to. You start to see how this played out over the long term. But the thing we’ve never had in our industry is the light blue boxes. This deal was won and lost in December. In this particular case, NTT software won and Yash came in and sold the customer five projects. [00:45:07] Jay McBain: The millions of dollars that were going to be spent were solved here. The design and architecture work was all done here. A couple of ISVs You see in light blue came in right at the end, deal was closed in April. You see the six month cycle. But what if you could fill in every one of the 28 boxes in every single customer prospect that your sales and marketing team have? [00:45:30] Jay McBain: But here’s the brilliance of this. Those light blue boxes didn’t win the deals there. They won the deals months before that. So when NTT and Software one walked into this deal. They probably won the deal back in October and they had to go through the redlining. They had to go through the contracting, they had to go through all the stuff and the Gantt chart to get started. [00:45:54] Jay McBain: But while your CMO is getting all excited about somebody reading an ebook and triggering an MQL that the sales team doesn’t want, ’cause it’s not qualified, it’s not sales qualified, you walk in and say, no, no. This is a multimillion deal, dollar deal. It’s AstraZeneca. I know the five partners that are coming in in December to solidify the seven layers, and you’re walking in at the same time as the CMOs bragging about an ebook. [00:46:21] Jay McBain: This changes everything. If we could get to this level of data about every dollar of our tam, we not only outgrow our competitors, we become the platforms of the next generation. Partnering and ultimate partnering is all here. And this is what we’re doing in this room. This is what we’re doing over these couple of days, and this is what, uh, the mission that Vince is leading. [00:46:43] Jay McBain: Thank you so much. [00:46:47] Vince Menzione: Woo. Day in the house. Good to see you my friend. Good to see you. Oh, we’re gonna spend a couple minutes. Um, I’m put you in the second seat. We’re gonna put, we’re gonna make it sit fireside for a minute. Uh, that was intense. It was pretty incredible actually, Jay. And so I’m, I think I wanna open it up ’cause we only have a few minutes just to, any questions? [00:47:06] Vince Menzione: I’m sure people are just digesting. We already have one up here. See, [00:47:09] Question: Jay knows I’m [00:47:10] Vince Menzione: a question. I love it. We, I don’t think we have any I can grab a mic, a roving mic. I could be a roving mic person. Hold on. We can do this. This is not on. [00:47:25] Vince Menzione: Test, test. Yes it is. Yeah. [00:47:26] Question: Theresa Carriol dared me to ask a question and I say, you don’t have to dare me. You know, I’m going to Anyway. Um, so Jay, of the point of view that with all of the new AI players that strategic alliances is again having a moment, and I was curious your point of view on what you’re seeing around this emergence and trend of strategic alliances and strategic alliance management. [00:47:52] Question: As compared to channel management. And what are you seeing in terms of large vendors like AWS investing in that strategic alliance role versus that channel role training, enablement, measurement, all that good stuff? [00:48:06] Jay McBain: Yeah, it’s, it’s a great question. So when I told the story about toast at the restaurant or Square or Clover, they’re not call, they’re not gonna call open AI or Nvidia themselves either. [00:48:17] Jay McBain: When you look out at the 250,000 ISVs. That make up this AI stack, there is the layers that happen there. So the Alliance with AWS, the alliance they have with Microsoft or Google is going to be how they generate agent AI in their platforms. So when I talk about a seven layer stack, the average deal being seven layers, AI is gonna drive this to nine, and then 11, then probably 13. [00:48:44] Jay McBain: So in terms of how alliances work, I had it up there as one of the five core strategies, and I think it’s pretty even. You can have the best alliances in the world, but if the seven partners trusted by the customer don’t know what that alliance is and the benefits to the customer and never mention it, it’s all for Naugh. [00:49:00] Jay McBain: If you’re go-to market, you’re co-selling, your co-marketing strategies are not built around that alliance. It’s all for naught. If the integration and the co-innovation, the co-development, the all the co-creation work that’s done inside these alliances isn’t translated to customer outcomes, it’s all for naugh. [00:49:17] Jay McBain: These are all five parallel swim lanes. All five are absolutely critically needed. And I think they’re all five pretty equally weighted in terms of needing each other. Yes. To be successful in the era of platforms. Yeah. [00:49:32] Vince Menzione: And the problem is they’re all stove pipe today. If, if at all. Yeah. Maintained, right. [00:49:36] Vince Menzione: Alliances is an example. Channels and other example. They don’t talk to one another. Judge any, we’ve got a mic up here if anybody else has. Yep. We have some questions here, Jacqueline. [00:49:51] Question: So when we’re developing our channel programs, any advice on, you know, what’s the shift that we should make six months from now, a year from now? The historical has been bronze, silver, gold, right? And you’ve got your deal registration, but what’s the future look like? [00:50:05] Jay McBain: Yeah, so I mean, the programs are, are changing to, to the point where the customer should be in the middle and realizing the seven partners you need to win the deal. [00:50:15] Jay McBain: And depending on what category of product you’re in, security, how much you rely on resell, 91.6%. You know, the channel partners are gonna be critical where the customer spends the money. And if you’re adding friction to that process, you’re adding friction in terms of your growth. So you know, if you’re in cybersecurity, you have to have a pretty wide open reseller model. [00:50:39] Jay McBain: You have to have a wide open distribution model, and you have to make sure you’re there at that point of sale. While at the same time, considering the other six partners at moment 12 who are in either saying nice things about you or not, the customer might even be starting with you. ’cause there is actually one thing that I didn’t mention when I showed the 28 moments filled in. [00:51:00] Jay McBain: You’ll notice that the customer went to AWS twice direct. AWS lost the deal. Microsoft won the deal software. One is Microsoft’s biggest reseller in the world. They just acquired crayon. NTT who, who loves both had their Microsoft team go in. [00:51:18] Question: Mm. [00:51:19] Jay McBain: So I think that they went to AWS thinking it was A-W-S-S-A-P, you know, kind of starting this seven layer stack. [00:51:25] Jay McBain: I think they finished those, you know, critical moments in the middle looking at it. And then they went back to AWS kind of going probably WWTF. Yeah. What we thought was happening isn’t actually the outcome that was painted by our most trusted people. So, you know, to answer your question, listen to your partners. [00:51:43] Jay McBain: They want to be recognized for the other things they’re doing. You can’t be spending a hundred percent of the dollars at the point of sale. You gotta have a point of system that recognizes the point of sale, maybe even gold, silver, bronze, but recognizing that you’re paying for these other moments as well. [00:51:57] Jay McBain: Paying for alliances, paying for integrations and everything else, uh, in the cyber stack. And, um, you know, recognizing also the top 1000. So if I took your tam. And I overlaid those thousand logos. I would be walking into 2026 the best I could of showing my company logo by logo, where 80% of our TAM sits as wallet share, not by revenue. [00:52:25] Jay McBain: Remember, a million dollar partner is not a million dollar partner. One of them sells 1.2 million in our category. We should buy them a baseball cap and have ’em sit in the front row of our event. One of them sells $10 million and only sells our stuff if the customer asks. So my company should be looking at that $9 million opportunity and making sure my programs are writing the checks and my coverage. [00:52:48] Jay McBain: My capacity and capability planning is getting obsessed over that $9 million. My farmers can go over there, my hunters can go over here, and I should be submitting a list of a thousand sorted in descending order of opportunity. Of where my company can write program dollars into. [00:53:07] Vince Menzione: Great answer. All right. I, I do wanna be cognizant of time and the, all the other sessions we have. [00:53:14] Vince Menzione: So we’ll just take one other question if there are any here and if not, we’ll let I know. Jay, you’re gonna be mingling around for a little while before your flight. I’m [00:53:21] Jay McBain: here the whole day. [00:53:22] Vince Menzione: You, you’re the whole day. I see that Jay’s here the whole day. So if you have any other questions and, and, uh, sharing the deck is that. [00:53:29] Vince Menzione: Yep. Alright. We have permission to share the deck with the each of you as well. [00:53:34] Jay McBain: Alright, well thank you very much everyone. Jay. Great to have you.

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, I dig into one of the most misunderstood leadership habits inside MSPs, the one to one. I am joined by Julie Hutchinson, and together we explore why MSP 1:1s so often feel heavy, awkward, or avoidable, and what is really going on beneath the surface when leaders say they do not have time for them. This conversation is about stripping away complexity and bringing the focus back to clarity, trust, and leadership rhythm inside growing MSPs.     I speak to MSP owners and leaders every week who know that MSP 1:1s matter. They understand the theory. They know they should be happening regularly. Yet in practice, these meetings are often the first thing to be cancelled, rushed, or turned into task updates that add little value. Julie and I unpack why this happens so often. It is rarely a diary problem. More often it comes down to discomfort, uncertainty, and a lack of structure. When leaders are unsure what good looks like, avoidance quickly becomes the default.     Throughout the episode, I come back to a simple truth. MSP 1:1s are not about tasks. They are about people. When leaders turn one to ones into performance interrogations or reactive problem-solving sessions, trust slowly erodes. Team members become guarded. Leaders feel drained. The meeting becomes something to get through rather than something that creates progress. Julie shares how this shows up again and again in MSPs where growth has outpaced leadership capability, leaving managers unsure how to hold effective people conversations.     I also share why MSP 1:1s work best when they are treated as a leadership habit rather than a management tool. Consistency matters more than perfection. A regular rhythm creates psychological safety. Over time, people stop bracing themselves and start opening up. This is where real issues surface early, before they turn into disengagement, performance dips, or people quietly checking out. I see this constantly with MSPs who come to us thinking they have technical problems, when what they really have are unresolved people issues that better one to ones could have surfaced sooner.     A big part of the conversation is about ownership. Julie challenges the idea that leaders need to carry the entire meeting. Effective MSP 1:1s are a shared responsibility. When team members are encouraged to bring topics, reflect on their own progress, and talk openly about what they need, the dynamic shifts. The meeting becomes lighter, more focused, and far more productive. Leaders stop feeling like they are dragging information out of people and start having proper conversations instead.     We also talk openly about the emotional side of MSP 1:1s. Many leaders avoid them because they fear difficult conversations. I am very clear on this point. Avoiding these conversations does not remove the difficulty, it delays it. When feedback is withheld, frustration builds on both sides. When issues are named early, with care and clarity, relationships strengthen. The confidence to do this well comes from practice and from having a simple structure to lean on.     Another important insight we explore is that MSP 1:1s are not the place to fix everything. They are the place to notice patterns. I explain how leaders can listen for themes across multiple one to ones and then address systemic issues elsewhere, rather than trying to solve every problem in isolation. This reduces pressure on the meeting and helps leaders think more strategically about their teams and their business.     Julie also shares practical guidance on what good actually looks like. MSP 1:1s should feel human. They should create space for personal check in, professional development, and honest dialogue. When leaders show up with curiosity rather than judgement, trust grows naturally. Over time, these meetings become one of the strongest tools an MSP has for retaining good people, developing future leaders, and maintaining momentum through change.     We close the conversation with a reminder that leadership is learned through doing. Nobody starts out brilliant at MSP 1:1s. The leaders who improve are the ones who commit to the rhythm, reflect on what is working, and stay open to feedback themselves. When one to ones are done well, they stop being hard work and start becoming one of the most rewarding parts of leading an MSP.     If you want to strengthen your leadership rhythm and make MSP 1:1s simpler and more effective, this episode will give you clarity, reassurance, and practical next steps you can apply straight away.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.    Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK    And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon! 

Robbie Bach, former president of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, discusses his transition from technology executive to author of political techno-thrillers, focusing on his latest book, The Blockchain Syndicate. The narrative explores themes of digital identity, misinformation, and the vulnerabilities of modern institutions, emphasizing that technology itself is neutral; it can be used for both beneficial and harmful purposes. Bach highlights the character of Tamika Smith, a military veteran, as a lens through which to examine leadership in a complex landscape of technology and public trust.Bach elaborates on the psychological and technical aspects of his story, particularly the implications of digital identity and authenticity. He notes that the plot involves a blackmail scenario linked to a character presumed dead, raising questions about the authenticity of digital communications. This reflects broader concerns about cybersecurity, where vulnerabilities are often exploited rather than created anew. Bach emphasizes the importance of grounding his narrative in real-world technology and experiences, blending factual research with creative storytelling.The conversation also touches on the governance of technology, critiquing current regulatory approaches that tend to be reactive rather than proactive. Bach argues that effective governance requires forward-thinking leadership capable of anticipating future challenges, particularly in areas like AI and blockchain. He stresses the need for businesses, including small and medium-sized enterprises, to engage with these issues beyond mere compliance, advocating for a broader sense of responsibility that includes stakeholder value.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, Bach's insights underscore the critical role they play in navigating the complexities of technology governance and cybersecurity. By understanding the vulnerabilities inherent in digital systems and advocating for responsible practices, MSPs can better support their clients in mitigating risks associated with misinformation and identity fraud. The episode serves as a reminder of the importance of ethical considerations in technology deployment and the need for proactive engagement in shaping a secure digital future.

In this Christmas Eve Edition, We discuss our Network Upgrade Insights at ProdigyTeks! Join us as our very own John Dubinsky joins the podcast to discuss our journey from our previous network provider to UniFi network equipment. We'll cover practical tips, smart tricks, and key lessons learned while adopting the new UniFi stack. Perfect for MSPs and IT pros looking to streamline their network game!   --------------------------------------------------- Connect with us! --------------------------------------------------- MSP Unplugged https://mspunplugged.com/ Paco Lebron from ProdigyTeks:Powered by MSP Owners Group Email: paco@mspunplugged.com John Dubinsky formerly of the Maven Group

Discover how industry veteran Larry Meador, Cavelo's new Channel Chief, is transforming the MSP channel. Cavelo empowers Managed Service Providers with a unified Attack Surface Management and Data Security Posture Management platform—offering automated data discovery, classification, vulnerability management, and compliance-ready solutions. Built for MSPs and MSSPs, Cavelo helps partners reduce cyber risk, streamline operations, and deliver scalable, data-first security services that boost profitability and client trust.   Full Video Podcast Link: https://youtu.be/D6xFmrlUXDY --------------------------------------------------- Connect with us! --------------------------------------------------- MSP Unplugged https://mspunplugged.com/ Paco Lebron from ProdigyTeks:Powered by MSP Owners Group Email: paco@mspunplugged.com Rick Smith from Renactus Technology  Email: rick@mspnplugged.com Justin Gilliam from Bacheler Technologies https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-gilliam-96288a56

Laith Palhawan, CEO and founder of OrangeCrew, has successfully transitioned his managed IT services company into the public sector by becoming GSA certified, allowing him to provide IT services to government agencies. This shift has required a deep understanding of compliance and security requirements that differ significantly from those in the private sector. In the public sector, clients expect adherence to strict standards and predefined solutions, which contrasts with the more flexible and responsive approach typically found in private business engagements.Pahlawan's experience highlights the challenges of profitability in the managed services landscape, particularly when working with government contracts that often yield lower margins of 10-15%. He emphasizes the importance of strategic partnerships and effective business analysis to maintain sustainable margins. By utilizing tools like Power BI and Kaseya, OrangeCrew can track time and resources spent on each client, allowing for informed decisions about which clients to prioritize and which to decline based on profitability and demand.The episode also delves into OrangeCrew's innovative use of artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance internal operations and client services. Pahlawan has developed a centralized database that integrates various data sources, enabling the use of AI to analyze client interactions and identify potential issues proactively. This system not only improves operational efficiency but also positions OrangeCrew as a forward-thinking MSP capable of offering advanced solutions to clients, particularly in the realm of AI.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the insights shared by Pahlawan underscore the necessity of adapting to evolving client needs, particularly regarding compliance and AI integration. As businesses increasingly rely on AI for operational efficiency, MSPs must enhance their understanding of data management and automation to remain competitive. The conversation serves as a reminder that embracing new technologies and strategic partnerships can lead to sustainable growth and improved service delivery in a challenging market.

In this engaging episode of MSP Business School, host Brian Doyle is joined by Sam Glynn—a notable figure in the GRC landscape—to pull back the curtain on the intricacies of compliance within MSPs. Sam Glynn shares his wealth of expertise from a career that has advanced from IT management in financial services to becoming a specialist in cybersecurity and compliance. Listeners are introduced to the significance of GRC, particularly how MSPs can align themselves with increasing regulatory demands while fostering profitability and customer satisfaction. The episode delves into the hurdles MSPs face when confronted with compliance audits and assessments. Sam explains how MSPs can view these assessments as opportunities to strengthen client relationships and increase revenues rather than as adversarial encounters. With an emphasis on understanding the framework alignment and the nuanced art of risk management, the conversation underscores the importance of embracing these challenges to enhance services and outcomes. The episode wraps up with a focus on Sam's advisory role, offering a perspective that's both realistic and strategic for organizations striving to improve their security posture. Key Takeaways: Understanding GRC: Sam Glynn illustrates how MSPs can navigate Governance, Risk, and Compliance to achieve compliance while maintaining profitability and improving service delivery. Partnering for Success: Enlisting experts like Sam can transition an MSP's role from a mere service provider to a strategic partner capable of advising clients on risk management and compliance. Framework Alignment & Risk Management: Embrace the interpretive nature of risk management processes, focusing on impacts and likelihoods to develop robust and tailored security strategies. Regulatory Insights: Compliance is not solely about meeting regulatory requirements; MSPs must also consider best practices for comprehensive security that addresses today's threats. VCISO Clarity: The role of a virtual Chief Information Security Officer (VCISO) extends beyond IT technicalities to include governance, risk management, and strategic alignment with organizational objectives. Guest Name: Sam Glynn LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samglynnie/ Company: Secure and Assure Website: https://secureandassure.com/ Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Host Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylevciotoolbox/ Sponsor vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com

The episode reviews the outcomes of predictions made for 2025, highlighting the evolving role of automation and AI in Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Key findings indicate that while generative AI has improved data accessibility, it has not fully resolved existing reporting issues related to data quality and governance. Additionally, the anticipated widespread adoption of autonomous IT systems among small and medium-sized businesses (SMBs) has not materialized, as many still rely on traditional remote monitoring and management (RMM) tools. The episode emphasizes that AI governance and advisory services have become central to modern MSP offerings.Further analysis reveals that while AI-driven legal services gained traction, MSPs have not widely adopted these as packaged offerings. Instead, they have focused on AI compliance and regulatory advisory services. The discussion also touches on the mixed results of fraud prevention becoming a standard service, with significant growth in some sectors but uneven adoption across the board. The episode concludes with a scorecard of predictions, noting a few clear successes in AI governance and readiness consulting, while highlighting a notable miss regarding decentralized MSP models.Looking ahead to 2026, the episode presents several predictions that reflect the increasing importance of automation in IT services. It suggests that MSPs whose revenue models still depend heavily on human labor will face pressure to adapt, as automation becomes the primary driver of service scalability. The discussion also raises concerns about accountability in automation, predicting that individuals may be held responsible for failures in automated systems, emphasizing the need for robust governance frameworks.The implications for MSPs and IT service leaders are significant. As automation becomes the production system for IT services, providers must focus on governance, risk management, and advisory roles to differentiate themselves in a competitive landscape. The episode underscores the necessity for MSPs to evolve their service offerings and business models to align with these trends, ensuring they remain relevant and capable of delivering value in an increasingly automated environment.

A friend who does M&A for MSPs asked me: if you've got a team of five hunters, what's a good hiring and firing process that keeps top performers, pushes average reps, and weeds out the bottom? Here's my answer—and it's all about having a system that manages for you. The best approach consists of two parts: First, separate your minimum standards from actual goals. Your goal might be $24K/month where commission incentives kick in, but your minimum standard is $18K—the threshold below which the business economics don't work. Top performers never notice this number. Average performers are aware of it but rarely dip below. Bottom performers struggle to hit it consistently. Second, create a clearly documented escalation policy: miss the minimum once, it's a discussion; twice in three months, written warning; three times in five months, termination. This episode breaks down why you want a standard that top performers never notice, average performers can maintain, and bottom performers systematically get rooted out—without you having to crack the activity whip every day. Learn how to adjust this for different sales cycles (like using 90-day rolling averages for MSPs), why average is actually good and you don't want high churn, and how the right system diminishes your need to micromanage while keeping the team steady and high-performing.//Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Overview: In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, hosts James Kernan and Amy Babinchak discuss the top opportunities for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) looking ahead to 2026. They focus on the importance of AI integration, data management, and the need for proper training, as well as compliance and governance issues. They also touch on the ongoing trends in mergers and acquisitions within the MSP industry. Additional topics include leveraging industry awards for marketing and the ongoing debate around cryptocurrency investments. The episode is full of actionable advice for MSPs aiming to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving industry. --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome  02:01 MSP Question of the Week: Top Opportunities for MSPs in 2026 02:53 AI and Data Management 05:42 Compliance and Regulations 08:34 Mergers and Acquisitions 11:15 Training and Readiness for AI 15:57 MSP Titans Event 19:37 Crypto Investments 22:10 Conclusion and Wrap-Up --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

In this annual Security Squawk tradition, we do two things most people avoid: accountability and predictions. First, we break down the top cyber-attacks of 2025 and translate them into what actually matters for business owners, IT pros, and MSPs. Then we grade our predictions from last year using real outcomes. No excuses. No hand waving. No “well technically.” Why does this episode matter? Because 2025 made one thing painfully clear. Most cyber damage does not come from genius hackers. It comes from predictable failures. Unpatched systems. Over-trusted third parties. Tokens and sessions that live too long. Help desks that can be socially engineered. And organizations that still treat cybersecurity like an IT issue instead of a business survival issue. We start with the Top 10 Cyber-Attacks of 2025 and pull out the patterns hiding behind the headlines. This year's list includes ransomware and extortion campaigns, software supply chain failures, identity and OAuth token abuse, and attacks that caused real operational disruption, not just data exposure. These stories show how attackers scale impact by targeting widely deployed platforms and trusted business tools, then turning that access into downtime, data theft, and brand damage. One of the biggest lessons of 2025 is simple: identity is the new perimeter. Many of the most important incidents were not break-in stories. They were log-in stories. Stolen sessions and OAuth tokens keep working because they let attackers bypass MFA, move quickly, and blend in as legitimate users. If your security strategy is focused only on blocking failed logins, you are watching the wrong signal. 2025 also reinforced how fragile third-party trust has become. Integrations are everywhere. They make businesses faster and more efficient, but they also expand the blast radius. When a third-party tool or service account is compromised, it can become a shortcut into systems that were never directly attacked. In this episode, we talk about practical steps like minimizing access scopes, eliminating unnecessary integrations, shortening token lifetimes, and having a real plan to revoke access when something looks off. We also dig into why on-prem enterprise tools continue to get hammered. Many organizations still run internet-facing platforms that are patched slowly and monitored poorly. Attackers love that combination. In 2025, we saw repeated exploitation of high-value enterprise software where a single weakness led to widespread compromise across industries. If your patching strategy is “we will get to it,” attackers already have. Another major theme this year was operational disruption. Some of the costliest incidents were not just about stolen data. They shut down production, halted sales, broke customer service systems, and created ripple effects across supply chains. That is where executives feel cyber risk the hardest. Data loss hurts. Downtime is a business emergency. Then we grade last year's predictions. Did AI take our jobs? Not even close. What it did do was raise the baseline for both attackers and defenders. AI improved phishing quality, accelerated scams, and forced organizations to confront the risks of adopting new tools without clear controls. We also review our call on token and session-based attacks. That prediction aged well. Identity-layer abuse dominated 2025. The issue was not a lack of MFA. The issue was that attackers did not need to defeat MFA if they could steal what comes after it. We also revisit regulation. It did not arrive all at once. It crept forward. Agencies and lawmakers continued tightening expectations, especially in sectors that keep getting hit. Businesses that wait for mandates before improving controls will pay more later, either through recovery costs, insurance pressure, or lost trust. Finally, we look ahead to 2026 with new predictions that are probable, not obvious. We discuss what is likely to change around identity, help desk security, SaaS governance, and how leaders measure cyber readiness. The short version is this: 2026 will reward companies that treat access as a living system and punish those that treat it like a one-time setup. If you like the show, help us grow it. Subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who still thinks cybersecurity is just antivirus and a firewall. And if you want to support the podcast directly, buy me a coffee at buymeacoffee.com/securitysquawk.

Matthew Nikravesh, CEO and co-founder of Solarus Technologies, discussed the evolution of managed services in response to the increasing demand for cloud solutions, particularly Azure, during the pandemic. Solaris Technologies, founded in 2012, focuses on providing managed services primarily to nonprofits and small to mid-sized businesses. The company has implemented an automated cloud management platform in partnership with Nerdio, which has enabled them to efficiently deploy Azure Virtual Desktops and streamline support processes for their engineers.The conversation highlighted the importance of automation in reducing operational inefficiencies. Solarus Technologies has integrated automation tools, such as PIA, to manage user onboarding and ticket dispatching, achieving a 35% automation rate for incoming tickets. However, Nikravesh acknowledged that the journey toward effective automation is iterative, requiring ongoing adjustments to improve performance. The company has also seen significant benefits from automating user onboarding processes, which have reduced the back-and-forth communication typically associated with new hires.Nikravesh also addressed the challenges faced by nonprofits in adopting AI technologies, noting that many organizations struggle with data readiness and security. To assist clients in overcoming these hurdles, Solarus Technologies collaborates with an AI consultant to conduct readiness assessments, ensuring that clients can effectively leverage AI tools when they are prepared. This proactive approach aims to help nonprofits focus on their missions rather than IT concerns.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the discussion underscores the necessity of evaluating tool stacks and vendor partnerships strategically. Nikravesh emphasized the importance of smart revenue growth, advising MSPs to assess their client relationships and eliminate those that do not contribute positively to their bottom line. As the industry continues to evolve, the integration of cloud services and AI will remain critical topics for MSPs, necessitating a focus on delivering value while managing operational complexities.

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, Ian Luckett and Stuart Warwick sit down to share their Reflections of 2025, looking back on a year that has been full of growth, challenge, learning, and perspective. This is a candid and human conversation, where business lessons blend naturally with life lessons, offering MSP owners space to pause, reflect, and reset as another year comes to a close.     The conversation opens with a shared acknowledgement of how quickly the year has passed and how important it is to take time to reflect before rushing into planning the next chapter. These Reflections of 2025 are not about performance for the sake of it. They are about understanding what truly mattered, what created momentum, and what quietly drained energy along the way. Ian and Stuart explore the idea that businesses exist to serve life, not the other way around, and that clarity often comes from slowing down rather than pushing harder.     On a personal level, both hosts share openly about significant moments from the year. Stuart reflects on the long and emotional journey of moving house after many years, using it as a reminder that worthwhile outcomes often come with frustration, uncertainty, and moments where it feels easier to give up. The lesson is simple and powerful. If something feels right, staying with it and trusting the process often matters more than speed. These Reflections of 2025 highlight how resilience is built through lived experience, not theory.     Ian shares deeply personal insights around family, vision, and legacy. One of the most meaningful parts of his year has been the progress made toward creating an assisted living home for his son. What began as a vision shared with clients and peers has slowly taken shape through conversations, introductions, and aligned support. This journey reinforces a theme that runs throughout the episode. When you are clear on what matters and willing to speak it out loud, the right people often appear at the right time. Reflections of 2025 show that vision creates movement long before results are visible.     Professionally, the discussion turns to the evolution of The MSP Growth Hub and the lessons learned from working closely with MSP owners throughout the year. Ian reflects on how challenging sales and marketing have felt at times, particularly as buyer behaviour continues to shift. Funnels dried up during parts of the year, engagement patterns changed, and familiar tactics stopped delivering the same results. Rather than seeing this as failure, these Reflections of 2025 frame it as feedback. Listening more closely to clients, paying attention to how people are buying, and staying consistent with helpful content has proven more valuable than chasing quick wins.     Stuart shares his professional highlight of the year, which has been building greater scalability and resilience into the Growth Hub. Expanding the team, strengthening delivery frameworks, and creating clearer structures has allowed more MSPs to be supported without Ian and Stuart becoming bottlenecks. These Reflections of 2025 underline an important truth for MSP owners. Sustainable growth comes from systems, people, and rhythm, not heroic effort.     Both hosts speak about the privilege of watching clients grow not only in revenue, but in confidence, clarity, and leadership. Seeing MSP owners pay off debt, hire with confidence, improve cash flow, and regain control of their time has been one of the most rewarding outcomes of the year. These Reflections of 2025 remind listeners that numbers matter, though personal growth and resilience often come first.     The conversation also explores frustration. Ian and Stuart are honest about wanting to help more people and feeling impatient at times with the pace of impact. There is recognition that consistency matters deeply, whether in marketing, leadership, or personal health. Stopping and starting creates drag, while steady effort compounds quietly over time. Reflections of 2025 reinforce that progress rarely comes from dramatic change. It comes from repeated, intentional action.     Health and wellbeing feature strongly in the closing reflections. Stuart shares lessons learned from supporting family through illness and recovery, highlighting the importance of strength, resilience, and looking after yourself long before you need to. Ian echoes this, reflecting on how physical health underpins the ability to show up for family, business, and life. These Reflections of 2025 gently remind listeners that success without health is fragile.    As the episode closes, Ian and Stuart thank listeners for their continued support and trust. The podcast exists to help MSP owners feel less alone, gain clarity, and make better decisions. These Reflections of 2025 are an invitation to pause, take stock, and move forward with intention into the year ahead.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

The episode features a discussion on the current state of profitability and revenue growth within the Managed Service Provider (MSP) industry, highlighting that 2024 marks the fifth consecutive year of strong profitability. Despite this positive trend, revenue growth has cooled compared to the rapid increases seen from 2021 to 2023, with organic revenue growth peaking at 25% before declining to around 10.6%. This shift has led to concerns that MSPs may be under pressure; however, profitability metrics indicate that the industry remains healthy, with best-in-class firms achieving significantly higher earnings than their median peers.Peter Kujawa of Service Leadership elaborates on the factors influencing these trends, noting that while profitability has improved, wage inflation has impacted service gross margins. The data reveals that the best-in-class MSPs maintain a W2 ratio that allows them to generate more revenue per employee compared to their median and bottom quartile counterparts. This efficiency is crucial as the industry matures, with many MSPs now facing the challenge of adapting to a more competitive landscape where automation and AI are becoming increasingly important.The conversation also touches on the evolving compensation structures within MSPs, emphasizing the importance of incentive pay over base salaries. Best-in-class firms tend to offer higher variable pay percentages, which are tied to performance metrics that employees can control, thereby motivating better outcomes. This approach contrasts with the bottom quartile, where compensation structures may not align as effectively with performance, potentially leading to complacency.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity of embracing operational efficiency and automation to remain competitive. As the market continues to mature, those who invest in automation and refine their compensation strategies will likely see improved profitability and growth. The episode underscores the importance of understanding market dynamics and leveraging data-driven insights to make informed business decisions.

Conflicting jobs data indicates a complex economic landscape for IT service providers, as the unemployment rate in the tech sector has risen to 4% with a loss of 134,000 jobs between October and November 2025. Despite a drop in the overall unemployment rate to 4.2% and a projected growth of managed services contributing $608 billion to the B2B technology sector, the mixed signals from economic indicators complicate decision-making for the Federal Reserve and raise concerns about consumer spending. Analysts emphasize that the current job losses reflect a shift in responsibility from internal roles to external managed service providers (MSPs), which may not alleviate underlying risks.The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released a draft profile addressing cybersecurity challenges posed by artificial intelligence (AI), highlighting the need for organizations to manage AI-related security risks effectively. This profile outlines how AI can enhance cybersecurity defenses while also detailing the responsibilities that come with its deployment. Recent assessments reveal that while some AI models perform better in security contexts, the lack of clarity around accountability when AI systems make decisions remains a significant concern for MSPs.Private equity activity is accelerating in the managed services sector, exemplified by Broadwing Capital's acquisition of CloudScale365, which aims to create a platform addressing gaps in the fragmented IT-managed services market. This consolidation trend raises questions for MSPs about operational norms and the potential loss of control over their business models. As platforms seek to standardize pricing and decision-making processes, MSPs must consider how these changes will affect their service delivery and customer relationships.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the evolving landscape underscores the importance of understanding where risk is shifting and how to price and govern accordingly. The retreat from AGI hype and the focus on practical AI applications signal a need for clarity in decision-making processes, particularly as automation becomes more prevalent. MSPs that can articulate the limitations of their AI systems and establish clear accountability frameworks will be better positioned to navigate the complexities of the current market. Four things to know today00:00 As Jobs Data Conflicts and Tech Employment Slips, Managed Services Absorb Risk and Responsibility05:46 NIST's AI Security Framework Meets Reality as Model Safety Gaps Expose Accountability Risks08:54 Broadwing Launches MSP Platform to Standardize Scale, Signaling Growing PE Pressure on MSP Operations11:03 AI Rebrands Itself as Open Source Expands, Automation Scales, and Accountability Gets Murkier This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://saasalerts.com/mspradio/ 

If you're clicking through Jamf Pro configs manually, you're about to learn why that's becoming a problem. Security teams are starting to ban console access. MSPs are wasting hours rebuilding the same configs for each client. And organizations scaling to hundreds of Macs are drowning in manual changes with zero audit trail. Ryan Legg, Jamf's Solutions Engineer for Infrastructure as Code, breaks down how Terraform lets you manage your entire Jamf environment through code instead of clicking. Whether you're managing 50 Macs or 5,000, here's why this matters NOW. CHAPTERS 4:45 What is Infrastructure as Code - Explained for Non-Coders 8:15 What is Terraform and Why It Exists 11:30 How Terraform Talks to the Jamf API (Without You Writing Scripts) 14:45 Jamf Terraform Provider - 2+ Years in Development 18:20 Version Control for Configs - Git, Testing, Rollback 21:40 Why This Matters - Audit Trails, No Manual Errors, Scalability 24:30 MSP Use Case - Deploy to Multiple Clients in Minutes 27:15 Enterprise Use Case - Manage Hundreds of Configs with Code 30:10 Small Team Use Case - Document Everything as You Build 34:00 Why Every Admin Should Learn This NOW - The Future is Code 37:13 Getting Started - Resources and Documentation 39:09 Wrap-Up - Where to Get Help What You: 4:45 "Treating your Jamf config like a software project" - what that actually means 18:20 Multiple admins can submit changes through pull requests - no more stepping on each other 24:30 MSPs: Stop rebuilding configs manually - use one Terraform module across all clients 30:10 - Small teams: Codify early so the next person doesn't start from zero 34:00 - "Organizations are requiring admins OUT of consoles" - security trend you need to know   RESOURCES: Jamf Concepts (Start Here): https://concepts.jamf.com Trusted by Jamf (Tutorials): https://trusted.jamf.com  Jamf Developer Portal: https://developer.jamf.com MacAdmins Slack: https://macadmins.org   WHO NEEDS TO WATCH: Mac Admins who manually configure Jamf Pro (you're wasting time) MSPs managing multiple Jamf instances (you're rebuilding the same thing repeatedly) IT teams scaling past 500+ devices (manual configs won't scale)   Jamf After Dark: A podcast about managing Apple devices, hosted by Kat Garbis and Josh Thornton. Guest: Ryan Legg, Solutions Engineer III at Jamf #JamfAfterDark #Terraform #JamfPro

In this episode, we outline what worked well for MSPs in different markets in 2025, what we learned this year, and recommendations to help you crush it in 2026!Start the year off right equipped with the best MSP Marketing Content in the world: campers.msp-camp.com

Doug Green, Publisher of Technology Reseller News, sat down with Ian Richardson, Founder and CEO of Fox & Crow, to explore a topic that many MSPs underestimate until it becomes painful: lead qualification. While generating leads often gets the spotlight, Richardson argues that chasing the wrong prospects can quietly drain revenue, morale, and long-term growth. Drawing on his experience as a former MSP owner, Richardson explained how poorly qualified leads consume senior technical resources, distract sales teams, and can even damage existing customer relationships. “Landing a bad customer is worse than not signing them at all,” he said, noting that MSP onboarding often reveals fundamental misalignment only after months of effort and sunk cost. Richardson outlined a practical framework for qualification that goes beyond firmographics. MSPs must determine whether a prospect views IT as a strategic investment or merely a cost to be minimized—an insight that can only be uncovered through early conversations, often starting with frontline staff. This mindset distinction, he emphasized, is the real gatekeeper to sustainable, profitable client relationships. The discussion also addressed scale and focus, with Richardson cautioning MSPs against stepping outside their ideal customer profile in pursuit of larger deals. Even seemingly attractive opportunities can become “bad-fit accounts” that erode margins and stability. Through Fox & Crow, Richardson positions his firm as a strategic partner helping MSPs build disciplined, organic sales engines that prioritize fit, focus, and long-term value over raw lead volume. More information about Fox & Crow is available at https://www.foxcrowgroup.com/. Software Mind Telco Days 2025: On-demand online conference Engaging Customers, Harnessing Data

Thrive, a global technology outsourcing provider, is pursuing a $1 billion market position by the end of 2029, following significant revenue growth and 27 acquisitions since its inception. The company is focusing on enhancing its service offerings, particularly in managed artificial intelligence services, through a $100 million investment in its next-gen 3.0 platform. This shift raises critical questions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) regarding who controls decision-making in IT operations as AI begins to play a more active role in execution rather than merely advisory functions. The integration of AI into managed services could lead to a concentration of power upstream, potentially undermining the authority and accountability of MSPs.Recent data on IT leadership diversity reveals that representation has stagnated, with 83% of IT leaders being white and over 78% male. This lack of diversity in leadership roles can create strategic blind spots, particularly as technology evolves rapidly. The report indicates that while there has been some improvement in gender representation among larger companies, racial diversity remains largely unchanged. This stability in leadership demographics may limit the perspectives necessary for effective technology governance, especially in a landscape increasingly influenced by AI and automation.Additional developments include the launch of the HiPori Partner Program, which aims to enhance secure mobile access for resellers and MSPs, and TD Cinex's AI Game Plan Workshop designed to assist partners in implementing AI solutions for their customers. These initiatives reflect a growing trend among technology providers to standardize outcomes and streamline processes, which may inadvertently reduce the differentiation and authority of MSPs as they adopt these frameworks.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the implications of these developments are significant. As AI-driven execution becomes more prevalent, MSPs must redefine their responsibility and authority to avoid unpriced liabilities. The current landscape suggests that those who can clearly articulate control and accountability in automated environments will have a competitive advantage. Ignoring these shifts could lead to operational risks and customer dissatisfaction, emphasizing the need for MSPs to adapt their strategies in response to the evolving technological landscape. Three things to know today 00:00 Thrive's $1B Ambition, OpenAI Investment, and AI Automation Push Highlight a Shift in Who Controls “Good IT”05:26 Q4 2025 IT Leadership Data Confirms a Five-Year Stall in Diversity Despite Rapid Technology Change10:56 Hypori, TD Synnex, and N-able Moves Show MSPs Trading Local Control for Centralized AI and Endpoint Frameworks This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  ingocni.com/tech10   PROMO CODE: tech10https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorship

The First Minister answers questions from Party Leaders and other MSPs in this weekly question time. Topics covered this week include: David Torrance To ask the First Minister what steps the Scottish Government is taking to support households with the cost of living this winter. Tim Eagle To ask the First Minister what the Scottish Government's response is to the partial collapse of the Spey Viaduct, including what support it can offer to Moray Council in responding to the immediate consequences and the next steps for the local community. Monica Lennon To ask the First Minister what the Scottish Government's response is to the recent EIS findings that young people with additional support needs are being let down, and teachers are experiencing stress due to inadequate resourcing, in light of the reported reduction of nearly 20% in specialist ASN staff since 2010, despite a rise of over 710% in the number of pupils requiring such support since 2007. Beatrice Wishart To ask the First Minister what the Scottish Government's position is on local authorities, which host renewable energy infrastructure, receiving Scottish Crown Estate revenue allocations, such as a share of the income from ScotWind projects. A full transcript of this week's First Minister's Questions will be available on the Scottish Parliament website: https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/official-report

Ransomware payments may be falling, but attackers are not retreating—they are shifting their focus upstream to hypervisors, where a single compromise can undo years of layered security investment. This change fundamentally alters the risk equation for MSPs whose architectures emphasize shared infrastructure and efficiency. Lower payments reflect reduced victim capacity, not reduced attacker effectiveness, forcing adversaries to increase the impact of each successful breach. Recovery speed, architectural resilience, and catastrophic-failure planning now matter more than detection narratives.At the same time, regulators are tightening expectations around AI safety while modernization funding stalls. State attorneys general are warning major AI vendors about harmful outcomes involving minors, even as Congress allows critical federal IT modernization funding to lapse. This leaves implementers operating in environments where AI is treated as production infrastructure but lacks the controls, funding, and policy clarity required to manage risk. In these conditions, responsibility concentrates on service providers without corresponding authority.Concerns over AI transparency deepen as OpenAI's shift to a for-profit model triggers internal resignations and allegations of suppressed economic impact research. When AI vendors control both platforms and narratives, ecosystem participants lose access to inconvenient truths about displacement, quality degradation, and operational disruption. MSPs experience these impacts directly, often after automation decisions have already reshaped staffing, workflows, and customer expectations.Security vendors are responding by introducing AI governance and control-layer tools, but carefully stopping short of owning outcomes. From AI detection and response to bundled copilots, zero-trust packages, and expanded vulnerability scanning, the message is consistency and experimentation—not accountability. As AI systems move from passive tools to active decision-makers, governance becomes an ongoing service rather than a product feature. MSPs that fail to price, document, and limit decision risk will inherit liabilities they cannot automate away. Four things to know today 00:00 Ransomware Payments Fall 33% as Attacks Persist and Shift Toward Hypervisors04:33 State Attorneys General Warn OpenAI, Microsoft, and Apple on AI Child Safety as Federal IT Modernization Funding Stalls08:24 Former OpenAI Employees Raise Transparency Concerns as Economic Impact Research Is Curtailed10:51 CrowdStrike, Microsoft, Vectra, WatchGuard, and LevelBlue Push AI Security Controls Without Owning Outcomes This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://mailprotector.com/mspradio/

Cyber attacks are no longer a future problem or a Silicon Valley issue. They are happening right now across the United States, quietly and relentlessly, targeting local governments, public agencies, schools, police departments, fire services, and critical infrastructure that most people rely on every day. In this episode of the Security Squawk Podcast, we break down the uncomfortable truth about the current cyber threat landscape and why much of it is flying under the radar. We start with a major data breach involving 700Credit, a financial services company widely used by car dealerships across the country. The breach impacted an estimated 5.8 million consumers, exposing sensitive personal information including names, addresses, birth dates, and Social Security numbers. What makes this incident especially troubling is that it originated through a third-party integration and went undetected until it was too late. This is a textbook example of how supply chain risk, weak API oversight, and poor third-party visibility continue to plague organizations of all sizes. For business owners, IT leaders, and managed service providers, this breach highlights a critical lesson. Security controls inside your own environment are meaningless if your partners, vendors, or integrations are not held to the same standard. Attackers know this, and they are exploiting it aggressively. Next, we shift to a growing and deeply concerning trend involving nation-state threat actors, particularly Russian-backed groups targeting network edge devices. Firewalls, VPN appliances, routers, and other edge infrastructure are now prime targets because they offer direct access to internal networks and often remain poorly monitored or improperly configured. These attacks are not always sophisticated zero-day exploits. In many cases, they succeed because of exposed management interfaces, outdated firmware, or weak credentials. This matters because edge devices sit at the front door of nearly every organization. Once compromised, they allow attackers to persist quietly, move laterally, and stage future attacks without triggering traditional endpoint defenses. The takeaway is clear. If you are not actively inventorying, patching, and monitoring your edge infrastructure, you are already behind. Then we pull the lens back even further and focus on what may be the most underreported cyber crisis happening today. Public sector organizations across the United States are under sustained cyber attack. Cities, towns, school districts, emergency services, and municipal agencies are being hit week after week. These incidents rarely make national headlines. Instead, they show up in small local news outlets, if they are reported at all. We discuss a real-world incident in Attleboro, Massachusetts, where a cybersecurity event disrupted online municipal services and briefly appeared on local television. Stories like this are happening everywhere. From ransomware attacks that shut down city services to breaches that expose resident data, public organizations are being targeted because attackers know they are often underfunded, understaffed, and slow to recover. Using data from ransomware.live and other tracking resources, we highlight how widespread these attacks really are. Thousands of U.S.-based victims are logged publicly, many of them tied to government or quasi-government entities. This is not random. It is a calculated strategy by cybercriminals who understand the pressure public agencies face to restore services quickly, often making them more likely to pay ransoms or quietly rebuild without public disclosure. Throughout the episode, we connect these stories to practical lessons for businesses, MSPs, and IT professionals. Cybersecurity is no longer about preventing every breach. It is about resilience, visibility, and response. It is about understanding where your real risk lies and taking proactive steps before an incident forces your hand. If you work in IT, run an MSP, manage infrastructure, or support public organizations, this episode delivers insight you can use immediately. We cut through the noise, skip the fear marketing, and focus on what actually matters in today's threat environment. Security Squawk exists to make cybersecurity real, relevant, and actionable. If this episode brings value to you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs to hear it. And if you want to support the show directly, the easiest way is to buy us a coffee at https://buymeacoffee.com/securitysquawk Your support helps us keep producing honest conversations about the threats most people never see until it's too late.

Analyst firm Forrester has projected that AI-native cloud solutions could generate $20 billion in revenue by 2026, significantly reshaping enterprise IT operations. However, the transition to these solutions raises concerns about governance gaps that could lead to outages. Organizations are increasingly redesigning their systems across various sectors, including education and infrastructure financing, to manage the risks associated with AI. This shift is underscored by a recent Gallup poll indicating that 45% of U.S. employees are using AI at work, reflecting a growing reliance on AI tools for operational efficiency.The term "SLOP" has been designated as Merriam-Webster's 2025 Word of the Year, highlighting the cultural implications of AI's integration into daily communication. This term encapsulates the challenges of quality control in AI outputs, as the rapid scaling of AI tools often outpaces human judgment. Managed Service Providers (MSPs) are urged to focus on helping clients discern which AI outputs are reliable and which require scrutiny, emphasizing the need for quality control over mere automation.In the education sector, a notable trend is the adoption of oral exams to assess student learning, ensuring evaluations reflect genuine understanding rather than reliance on AI-generated content. Additionally, major tech companies like Microsoft and Google are adopting innovative financing strategies, such as short-term leasing agreements for computing power, to mitigate financial risks associated with AI infrastructure investments. These strategies allow companies to scale their AI capabilities while maintaining flexibility in their financial commitments.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the evolving landscape of AI presents both challenges and opportunities. The emphasis on governance and quality control in AI tools indicates a shift in how organizations will approach AI adoption, necessitating new validation steps and risk models. MSPs can leverage this moment by providing guidance on AI evaluation and compliance, ensuring that clients can navigate the complexities of AI integration while minimizing potential liabilities. Four things to know today 00:00 AI Adoption Surges as Forrester, Gallup, and Merriam-Webster Signal a Quality Problem04:40 -Education and Big Tech Respond to AI by Reworking Assessment and Risk Models07:13 OMB Uses Procurement Power to Set Federal Standards for Truthful, Unbiased AI Tools09:11 Disney Sets AI Rules:  This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorship

Doug Green, Publisher of Technology Reseller News, sat down with Elie Y. Katz, Founder, President & CEO of National Retail Solutions (NRS), to discuss how payments, telecom, and point-of-sale technology are converging to reshape small and independent businesses. Katz explained how NRS, incubated within IDT, was created to give independent convenience stores and small merchants the same tools and insights long available to large national chains. At the center of NRS's success is its integrated point-of-sale platform, now deployed in more than 38,000 locations nationwide. Katz described how NRS combines POS, credit card processing, payroll, cash advance services, and telecom products into a single system. “We didn't just build a register,” Katz said. “We built a platform that lets independent merchants compete with corporate America.” The conversation highlighted the accelerating shift away from cash toward cards, mobile wallets, and peer-to-peer payment apps such as Venmo and Zelle—especially among younger consumers. Katz noted that safety, efficiency, and cost are driving merchants toward cashless or low-cash environments. “The phone has become the bank,” he said, pointing to how mobile payments are now central to everyday commerce. Katz also outlined the opportunity this shift creates for telecom channel partners, MSPs, and resellers. By leveraging existing customer relationships, partners can expand into POS, payment processing, payroll, and cash advance services through NRS. “If you didn't pivot, you went out of business,” Katz said. “Our platform gives channel partners a new stream of recurring revenue using relationships they already have.” Finally, Katz detailed NRS's growing ecosystem of integrations, including DoorDash, Grubhub, and NationsBenefits, which help independent merchants increase revenue and compete more effectively. With offerings like NRSPay and flexible, no-penalty credit card processing, NRS is positioning itself as a long-term partner for small businesses navigating the transition to a digital, cashless economy. For more information, visit https://nrsplus.com/.

Global IT spending is projected to reach its highest level in 30 years, driven primarily by investments in artificial intelligence (AI) and cloud services. According to a report from the International Data Corporation, spending on hardware, software, and IT services is expected to rise by 14%, marking the fastest growth rate since 1996. However, the benefits of this spending surge are not being realized by Managed Service Providers (MSPs), as hyperscalers dominate the market by building extensive AI infrastructure and integrated platforms. This shift in control raises questions about the future value proposition for MSPs, who may find themselves increasingly marginalized.Small businesses are experiencing hiring challenges despite a reported increase in job growth plans. The National Federation of Independent Business Jobs report indicates that 33% of small business owners have unfilled job openings, with 19% planning to create new jobs in the next three months. However, 56% of these businesses attempted to hire in November, with half citing a lack of suitable candidates. Compounding this issue, federal statistical agencies are facing significant staffing and budget cuts, leading to a decline in the availability of reliable economic data. This erosion of data could hinder small businesses' ability to make informed hiring and investment decisions.In a notable leadership change, Jim Siders has been appointed CEO of Shield Technology Partners, an IT services platform focused on integrating AI with operational expertise. Siders aims to enhance service delivery through AI innovations, positioning Shield as a vital resource for businesses in sectors like construction and healthcare. This move reflects a broader trend of IT services being restructured as AI-driven platforms rather than traditional roll-ups, emphasizing the importance of operational discipline and clean data in leveraging AI effectively.The episode highlights a concerning trend in corporate spending on AI, where companies allocate 93% of their budgets to technology and only 7% to the people who will utilize it. This imbalance can lead to a decline in trust among employees and an increase in the use of unapproved AI tools, complicating compliance and operational efficiency. For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity to shift focus from merely adopting technology to fostering a disciplined approach to AI integration, emphasizing governance, workflow redesign, and clear decision-making boundaries to ensure that clients can navigate the complexities of AI effectively. Four things to know today00:00 Global IT Spending Hits 30-Year High as AI and Cloud Investments Accelerate, IDC Reports05:24 Small Businesses Plan More Hiring but Still Can't Find Qualified Workers, NFIB Reports08:33 Shield Names Former Palantir CIO Jim Siders CEO as It Builds an AI-First IT Services Platform With OpenAI and Thrive11:19 Deloitte: Lopsided AI Spending, Declining Trust, and Shadow AI Signal a Growing Management Failure This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://saasalerts.com/mspradio/

Welcome back to the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® Podcast. AI agents are your next customers. Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://theultimatepartner.com/ebook-subscribe/ Check Out UPX:https://theultimatepartner.com/experience/ Jen Odess, Group Vice President of Partner Excellence at ServiceNow, joins Vince Menzione to discuss the company’s incredible transformation from an IT ticketing solution to a leading AI-native platform for business transformation. Jen dives deep into how ServiceNow has strategically invested in and infused AI into its unified platform over the last decade, enabling over a billion workflows daily. She also outlines the critical role of the partner ecosystem, which executes 87% of all implementations, and reveals the company’s strategic initiatives, including its commitment to the hyperscaler marketplaces, the goal to hit half a billion dollars in annual contract value for its Now Assist AI product, and the push for partners to adopt an ‘AI-native’ methodology to capitalize on the fact that customers still want over 70% of AI buying to be done through partners. Key Takeaways ServiceNow is an ‘AI-native’ company, having invested in and built AI directly into its unified platform for over a decade. The company’s core value today is in its unified AI platform, single data model, and leadership in workflows that connect the entire enterprise. ServiceNow will hit $500 million in annual contract value for its Now Assist AI products by the end of 2025, making it the fastest-growing product in company history. An astonishing 87% of all ServiceNow implementations are done by its global partner ecosystem, highlighting their crucial role. The company is leveraging the half-trillion-dollar opportunity of durable cloud budgets by driving marketplace transactions and helping customers burn down cloud commits using ServiceNow solutions. To win in the AI era, partners must adopt AI internally, co-innovate on the platform, and strategically differentiate themselves to rank higher in the forthcoming agentic matching system. Key Tags: ServiceNow, AI-native platform, Now Assist, Jen Odess, partner excellence, workflow leader, AI platform for business transformation, hyperscalers, Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, AWS, marketplace transactions, cloud commits, AIDA model, agentic matching, F-Pattern, Z-Pattern, group vice president, MSP, GSI, co-innovation, autonomous implementation, technical constraints, visual hierarchy, UX, UI, responsive design. Ultimate Partner is the independent community for technology leaders navigating the tectonic shifts in cloud, AI, marketplaces, and co-selling. Through live events, UPX membership, advisory, and the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® podcast, we help organizations align with hyperscalers, accelerate growth, and achieve their greatest results through successful partnering. Transcript: Jen Odess Audio Podcast [00:00:00] Jen Odess: The AI platform for business transformation, and I love to say to people, it sounds like a handful of cliche words that just got stacked together. The AI platform for business transformation. Yeah. We all know these words, so many companies use ’em, but it is such deliberate language and I love to explain why. [00:00:20] Vince Menzione: Welcome to, or welcome back to The Ultimate Guide to Partnering. I’m Vince Menzi on your host, and my mission is to help leaders like you achieve your greatest results through successful partnering. Today we have a special leader, Jen Odes is the GVP for Partner Excellence at ServiceNow. And joins me here in the studio in Boca Raton. [00:00:40] Vince Menzione: Jen, welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Vince. It’s so great to be here. I am so thrilled to welcome you. To Boca Raton, Florida. Our podcast home look at this amazing background we have Here is this, and this is where we host our ultimate partner Winter retreat. Actually, in February, we’re gonna give that a plug. [00:00:58] Vince Menzione: Okay. I’d love to have you come back. I’d love to have an invite. And you flew in this morning from Washington DC [00:01:04] Jen Odess: I did. It was 20 degrees when I left my house this morning and this backdrop. Is definitely giving me, island South Florida like vibes. It’s fabulous. [00:01:13] Vince Menzione: And we’re gonna talk about ServiceNow. [00:01:14] Vince Menzione: And you’re also opening an office down here? We [00:01:17] Jen Odess: are [00:01:17] Vince Menzione: in West Palm Beach. Not too far from where we are. Yes. Later 2026. Yeah. I love that. And then so we’ll work on the recruiting year, but let’s dive in. Okay. So thrilled to have ServiceNow and to have you in the room. This has been an incredible time for your organization. [00:01:31] Vince Menzione: I have been watching, obviously I work with Microsoft. We’ve had Google. In the studio, Amazon onboard as well. And other than those three organizations, I can’t think of any other legacy organization that has embraced AI more succinctly than ServiceNow. And I thought we’d start there, but I really wanna spend some time getting to know you and getting to know your role, your mission, and your journey to this incredible. [00:01:57] Vince Menzione: Leadership role as a global vice president. We’ll talk about Or [00:02:01] Jen Odess: group. Group Vice president. I know it doesn’t roll off the tongue. I get it. A group vice president doesn’t roll. [00:02:05] Vince Menzione: G-V-P-G-V-P doesn’t roll off the time. And in some organizations it is global. It is in other organizations, it’s group. So let’s, you’re not [00:02:12] Jen Odess: the first to say global vice president. [00:02:14] Jen Odess: Okay. I’ll take either way. It’s fine. [00:02:15] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Yeah. And might be a promotion. Let’s talk. Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about you and your career journey and your mission. [00:02:22] Jen Odess: Yeah, so I’ve been at ServiceNow for five years. In fact, January will be like the five year anniversary and then it will be the beginning of my sixth year. [00:02:31] Jen Odess: Amazing. And I actually got hired originally to build out the initial partner enablement function. So it didn’t really exist five years ago. There was certainly enablement that happened to Sure. All individuals that were. Using, consuming, buying ServiceNow, working with ServiceNow. But the partner enablement function from pre to post-sale, that whole life cycle didn’t exist yet. [00:02:54] Jen Odess: So that was my initial job. I got hired to run partner enablement and it before. And how big [00:02:59] Vince Menzione: was your partner organization at that point? It must have been pretty small. [00:03:01] Jen Odess: It was actually not as small as you would think. Gosh, that’s a great question. You’re challenging my memory from five years ago. [00:03:08] Jen Odess: I know that we’re over 2,500 partners today and we add hundreds every year, so it had to have been in the low one thousands. Wow. Is where we were five years ago. But the maturity of the ecosystem is grossly larger today than it was then. I can imagine. So back then there was less than 30,000 individuals that were skilled on ServiceNow to sell or solution or deliver. [00:03:34] Jen Odess: Today there’s almost a hundred thousand. Wow. So yeah that’s like the maturity in the capability within the ecosystem. But before I start on my ServiceNow and my group vice president. Which is a great role, by the way. Group Vice President. Yeah. Partner Excellence group. I’m very proud of it. [00:03:49] Jen Odess: But but let me tell you what brought me here, please. So I actually came from a partner, but not in the ServiceNow ecosystem. Okay. I won’t name the partner, but let’s just say it’s a competitor, a competitive ecosystem. And I worked for a services shop that today I would refer to as multinational. [00:04:11] Jen Odess: Kind of a boutique darling, but with over 1,500 consultants, so Okay. A behemoth as well? Yeah. Privately held. And we were a force to be reckoned with, and it was really fun. I held so many roles. I was a customer success manager. I led the data science practice at one point. I ran global alliances and partnerships. [00:04:35] Jen Odess: At one point I was the chief of staff to the CEO at the time that company was acquired. Big global si. And and then at one point I even spun off for the big global SI and helped run a culture initiative to transform co corporate culture. Wow. Very inside the whole organization. Wow. That is very, yeah. [00:04:54] Jen Odess: Really interesting set of roles. And the whole reason I came to ServiceNow is by the time I was concluding that journey in that ecosystem on the services side, I felt like. I didn’t fully understand what it meant to be on the software product side. And I often felt like I approached friction or moments of frustration and heartache with resentment for the software company. [00:05:20] Jen Odess: Sure. Or maybe just a lack of empathy for what they must be going through as well. It always felt like I was on the kind of [00:05:26] Vince Menzione: negative you were on the other side of the table. Totally. [00:05:27] Jen Odess: Yeah. And, or maybe like the redheaded stepchild kind of a concept as a partner. And so I sought out to. Learn more, which is probably a big piece of my journey is just constant curiosity. [00:05:38] Jen Odess: Nice. And I thought I think the thing I’m missing is seeing what it means firsthand to be on the software product side. And that was what led me to a career at ServiceNow. Five years strong. Yeah. So [00:05:50] Vince Menzione: talk about partner experience for those who don’t know what that means. [00:05:53] Jen Odess: Yeah. Today my role is partner excellence, but it used to be partner experience. [00:05:58] Jen Odess: Okay. And so the don’t. Yeah, that’s normal to say both things. And they actually mean two very different things. [00:06:04] Vince Menzione: Yeah, I would say so. [00:06:05] Jen Odess: And we deliberately changed the title about a year ago. So today, partner Excellence is about really ensuring that we build a vibrant AI led ecosystem. And that’s from the whole life cycle of the partner, from the day they choose to be a partner and onboard, and hopefully to the day they’re just. [00:06:23] Jen Odess: Thriving and growing like crazy, and then across the whole life cycle of the customer pre to post sale. So it’s, we are almost like the underpinning and the infras infrastructure. Someone once said it’s like we’re the insurance policy of all global partnerships and channels. That’s how we operate across global partnerships and channels and service Now. [00:06:42] Vince Menzione: And you have a very intimate relationship with those partners. We’re gonna dive in on that as well. Yes. But let’s talk about this time like no other. I talk about tectonic shifts at all of our events. People that listen to our podcasts know we talk about the acceleration of transformation, and it’s happening so fast. [00:06:58] Vince Menzione: It was happening fast even during COVID. But then. I’ll call this date or time period, the November 20, 22 time period when Chat GPT launched. Oh yeah. And that really changed the world in many respects, right? Yeah. Microsoft had already leaned in with chat, GPT, Google, we talked to Google about this. [00:07:17] Vince Menzione: Even having them in the room was like, they were caught flatfooted in a way, and they had a lot of the technology and they didn’t lean in. But it feels like ServiceNow was one of the first, certainly on the ISV side of the house and refer to the term ISV. Loosely, because hyperscalers are ISVs as well. [00:07:34] Vince Menzione: They were early to lean in and have leaned it in such a way from a business application perspective that I believe we haven’t seen embracing and infusing AI into your platform. I was hoping we could dive in a little bit on ServiceNow from a. Kinda legacy, what the organization was and is today. [00:07:56] Vince Menzione: And then also this infusion of AI into the platform. If you don’t mind, [00:07:59] Jen Odess: I love this topic. Okay. And I feel like it’s such a privilege to talk about ServiceNow on this topic because we really are a leader in the category. I’ll almost rewind back to over 20 years ago when the company was founded. [00:08:11] Jen Odess: Today, fast forward, we are so much more than an IT ticketing company. We are, [00:08:16] Vince Menzione: but that was the legacy. That’s how I knew service now 20 years ago. [00:08:19] Jen Odess: And what a beautiful legacy. Yeah. But we have expanded immensely beyond that. And that’s the beautiful story to tell customers. That’s so fun. [00:08:28] Jen Odess: But what what I love is that. So 20 years ago, that was where we started. And today, do you know that over a billion workflows are put to work every single day for our customers? A billion [00:08:38] Vince Menzione: workflows, over a billion workflows. That’s crazy. [00:08:40] Jen Odess: And 87% of all implementations for ServiceNow were done by partnerships. [00:08:46] Jen Odess: And channels. That’s fantastic. So you think about those billion plus workflows daily, all because of our partner ecosystem. This is my small plug. I’m just very proud 80, proud 86%. [00:08:56] Vince Menzione: Did you hear that? Part’s 86%. [00:08:57] Jen Odess: Amazing. And so that’s like what we’re, that’s what we’re a leader in the category. We are a leader in workflows categorically. [00:09:05] Jen Odess: But then over a decade ago, we started investing in ai. We started building it right into our platform, and this becomes the next kind of notch on our belt, which is we are a unified platform. Nothing is bolted on, nothing is just apid in. Yeah, it is a unified platform. So all of that AI that for the past decade we’ve been building in into our platform. [00:09:28] Jen Odess: Just in our AI platform, which is now what we are calling it, the AI platform. [00:09:34] Vince Menzione: And I would say that unless you were a startup starting up from scratch today and building on an LLM, we were building in a way I don’t think any other organization’s gonna actually state that [00:09:45] Jen Odess: what’s actually why we call ourselves AI native. [00:09:47] Jen Odess: Yeah, beca for that exact reason. And that’s who we’re competing with a lot these days, is the truly AI native startups where they didn’t have, the 20 years. Previously that we had, but that’s what makes us so unique in the situation, is that unified AI platform, a single data model that can connect to anything. [00:10:07] Jen Odess: And then the workflow leader. And when you put all those things together, AI plus data, plus workflows and that’s where the magic happens. Yeah. Across the enterprise. It’s pretty cool. [00:10:17] Vince Menzione: That is very cool. And you start thinking about, and we start talking about agent as a, as an example. Let’s talk about this for a second. [00:10:23] Vince Menzione: You, when what is this bolt-on, we could use the terms co-pilot, we could use Ag Agent ai, but they are generally bolted onto an existing application today. So take us through the 10 years and how it has become a portion or a significant portion. Of ServiceNow. [00:10:41] Jen Odess: When say the question a little bit more. [00:10:43] Jen Odess: Like when you say it’s, yeah, when which examples have bolted on? [00:10:47] Vince Menzione: So exa, we, what we see today is the hyperscalers coming out with their own solution sets, right? They’re taking and they’re offering it up to their ecosystem to infuse it into their product and portfolio. To me, those that look like bolted on in many respects, unless it’s an AI need as a native organization, a startup organization. [00:11:07] Vince Menzione: They’re mostly taking and re-engineering or bolting onto their existing solutions. [00:11:12] Jen Odess: I follow. Yeah. Thank you for giving me a little more context. So I call this our any problem. It’s like one of the best problems to have we can connect into. Anything, any cloud, any ai, any platform, any system, any data, any workflow, and that’s where any hyperscaler, and that’s the part that makes it so incredible. [00:11:32] Jen Odess: So your word is bolt on, and I use the word any the, any problem. Yeah. We’ve got this beautiful kind of stack visual that just, it’s like it just one on top of the other. Any. Any, and no one else can really say that. I gotta see [00:11:45] Vince Menzione: that visual. Yeah. Yeah. So talk about this a little bit more. So you’re uniquely positioned. [00:11:52] Vince Menzione: Let’s talk about how you position, you talked about being AI native. What does that imply and what does that mean in terms of the evolution of the platform? From ticketing to workflows to the business applications? What are the type of applications Yeah. Markets, industries that you’re starting to see. [00:12:08] Jen Odess: So I’ll actually answer this with, taking on a small, maybe marketing or positioning journey. So there was a time when our tagline would be The World Works with ServiceNow. There was a time when it was, we put AI to work for people and today and it, I think it was around Knowledge 2025, this came out. [00:12:28] Jen Odess: It was the AI platform for business transformation. And I love to say to people, it sounds like a handful of. Cliche words that just got stacked together. The AI platform for business transformation. Yeah. We all know these words, so many companies use ’em, but it is such deliberate language and I love to explain why. [00:12:46] Jen Odess: So the first is the AI platform is calling out that we are an AI native platform. We are a unified platform. It’s a chance to say all that goodness I already shared with you. Yeah. And the business transformation is actually telling the story of no longer being a solution. Point or no longer being an individual product that does X. [00:13:06] Jen Odess: It’s about saying. The ServiceNow platform can go north to south and east to west across your entire enterprise. Okay. Up and down the entire tech stack. Any. And then east to west, it can cut across the enterprise, the C-suite, the buying centers, all into one unified AI platform. With one data model. [00:13:26] Jen Odess: I love it. And so I love that AI platform for business transformation actually has so much purpose. [00:13:32] Vince Menzione: It does. So you’re going across the stack, so you’re going all the way from the bottom layer, all the way up to the top from the ue. Ui. And then you’re going across the organization, right? You’re going across the C-suite, you’re going across all the business functions of an organization. [00:13:46] Vince Menzione: Correct. And so the workflows are going across each of those business functions? [00:13:49] Jen Odess: Correct. And then our AI control tower is sitting at the very top, governing over all of it. [00:13:53] Vince Menzione: I love the control tower. [00:13:54] Jen Odess: I know the governance, security risk protocol, managing all the agents interoperability. Yeah. [00:14:01] Vince Menzione: And then data at the very bottom right. [00:14:03] Vince Menzione: Controlling all those elements and the governance of the data and the right, the cleanliness of the data and so on. Yeah. That’s incredible. I we could probably talk about business applications. I know one, in fact, I’ve had a person sit in this, your chair from we’ll call it a large GSIA very significant GSI one of the top five. [00:14:21] Vince Menzione: And they took ServiceNow and they applied it to their business partnering function. And they used, and we, you probably don’t know about this one, but I know that that’s a, an example of taking it and applying it all across all the workflows, across all the geographies of the organization and taking a lot of the process that was all done manually. [00:14:40] Vince Menzione: That was stove pipe business processes that were all stove piped and removing the stove pipe and making for a fluid organizational flow. [00:14:47] Jen Odess: And I’ll bet you the end user didn’t even realize ServiceNow was the backend. That’s some of the greatest examples actually. [00:14:53] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Yeah. So Jen, we work with all the hyperscalers. [00:14:56] Vince Menzione: We have a very strong relationship with Microsoft. Goes back many years, my back to my days at Microsoft and we’ve had Google in the room. We have AWS now as well. We bring them all together because we believe that partners work with, need to work with all three. And I know that you have had an interesting transformation at ServiceNow around the hyperscalers. [00:15:16] Vince Menzione: I was hoping you could dive in a little deeper with us. [00:15:19] Jen Odess: Yeah. We are so proud of our relationships with the hyperscalers, so the same three, so it’s Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, and AWS. And really it’s it’s a strategic 360 partnership and our goal is really to drive marketplace transactions. [00:15:34] Jen Odess: So ServiceNow selling in all of their marketplaces and then. Burn down of our customers cloud commits. I love it. It’s really a beautiful story for our customers and for the hyperscalers and for ServiceNow. And so we’ve, it’s brand, it’s a brand new announcement from late in the year 2025. Love it. And we’re really excited about it. [00:15:51] Vince Menzione: Yeah. And then we, and we get all of the marketplace leaders in the room. So we’ve worked with all of those people. And one of the key points about this is there is over a half a trillion dollars in durable cloud budgets with customers that [00:16:08] Vince Menzione: Already committed to, I know, so that tam available, a half a trillion dollars is available to customers to burn down and utilize your solutions and professional services with partners as well in terms of driving a complete solution. [00:16:21] Jen Odess: That’s exactly the motion we’re pushing is to go and leverage those cloud commits to get on ServiceNow and in some cases, maybe even take out other products to go with ServiceNow and actually end up funding the transition to ServiceNow. Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:37] Vince Menzione: So you serve thousands of customers today, thousands of customers. [00:16:42] Vince Menzione: I can’t even. Fathom the exact number, but you have this partner ecosystem that you described, and their reach is even more incredible, like hundreds of thousands. Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about how you think about that, and then how do you drive the partner ecosystem in the right way to drive this partner excellence that you described. [00:17:02] Jen Odess: Yeah, that’s a great question. So yeah, thousands of ServiceNow customers and we’re barely scratching the surface in comparison to our partners customers. So we have over 2,500 partners Wow. In our ecosystem. And today they cut across what I would call five routes to market. That partners can go to market with ServiceNow. [00:17:21] Jen Odess: Okay. The first is consulting and implementation. This will be your classic kind of consulting shop or GSI approach. The second is resell, just like it sounds. Yep. [00:17:30] Vince Menzione: Transactional. [00:17:31] Jen Odess: Yep. The third is managed service provider. [00:17:33] Vince Menzione: Okay. [00:17:34] Jen Odess: The fourth is what we call build, which is. The ISV, strategic Tech partner realm, and then the fifth is hyperscaler. [00:17:43] Jen Odess: Those are the five routes to market. So partners can choose to be in one or all or two. It doesn’t matter. It’s whichever one fits the kind of business they want to go drive. Nice. Where they’re. Expertise lies. And then we’ve got partners that show up globally, partners that show up multinational and partners that show up regionally and then partners that show up locally, in country and that’s it. [00:18:06] Jen Odess: And we really want a diverse set of partners capable of delivering where any of our customers are. So it’s important that we have that dynamic ecosystem where we really push them. We’re actually trying hard to balance this. Yeah, you would’ve heard it from many of your other partners. This direct versus indirect. [00:18:24] Jen Odess: Yes. Motion. For anyone listening that doesn’t know the difference, right? Direct is ServiceNow is selling direct to a customer, there might be a partner involved influencing that will implement. Yeah, likely but ServiceNow is really driving the sale versus indirect where the whole thing routes through the partner. [00:18:39] Jen Odess: Right? Which is your classic reseller or managed service provider and often a an ISV. And you know that balance is never gonna be perfect ’cause we’re not gonna commit to go all direct or all indirect. We’re gonna continue to sit in this space where we’re trying to find a healthy balance. [00:18:56] Jen Odess: So I find a lot of our time trying to figure out how do you set all those parties up for success? Yeah. The parties are the ServiceNow field sellers? And then you’ve also got the partnerships and channels, so the ecosystem, and then you’ve got the people in global partnerships and channels. So my broader organization, and we’re all trying to figure out how to work harmoniously together and it’s a lot of, it is my job to get us there. [00:19:19] Jen Odess: And so we use lots of things like incentives and benefits and we will put in place gated entry, really strategic gated entry. What does [00:19:29] Vince Menzione: gated entry mean? [00:19:30] Jen Odess: Yeah. What I mean is if you want to have a chance at being matched with a customer Yeah. For a very specific deal. Or it’s really one of three to get matched. [00:19:41] Jen Odess: ‘Cause you can never match one-to-one. It has to be three or more. Okay. We have good compliance rules in place. Yeah. But in order to even. Like surface to the top of the list to be matched. There’s a gated entry, which is, you’ve gotta have validated practices. Okay. Which is how, it’s these various ways, as you described, you quantify and qualify the partner’s capabilities. [00:20:00] Vince Menzione: Yeah. So you have to meet these qualifications. Yes. And you could be one of three to enter and be. Potentially matched, considered significant or Yes. Match for this deal? [00:20:08] Jen Odess: Yes, that’s exactly right. So we use, various things like that. And then we try to carve what I would call dance card space reseller in commercial, try to sit here and like carve by geo, by region, by country dance card space as well to help the partners really know exactly where they can unleash versus, hey, this is the process and the rules of engagement. To go and sell alongside the direct org sales organization [00:20:33] Vince Menzione: and you’re gonna have multiple partners in the same opportunities. [00:20:37] Vince Menzione: Absolutely not. Not necessarily competing with each other. There’s three competing each with each other, but also you’re gonna have other partners that provide different capabilities as well. You might have that have some that are just transac. Those are gonna be those channel or reseller partners. [00:20:52] Vince Menzione: You might have an MSP that’s actually delivering, or at least providing some type of managed service on top of the stack. Like supporting the customer. Yeah. And then you might have an SI GSI an integration partner that’s also doing the con the consulting work around getting the solution to meet with the customer’s requirements. [00:21:12] Vince Menzione: Would you say [00:21:13] Jen Odess: so? That’s exactly right. Yeah. And actually in. AI era, we’re seeing more of it than ever. And even on the smaller deals, maybe not the GSIs on the smaller deals, but we’re seeing multiple partners come in to serve up their specific expertise, which is actually a best practice. That’s [00:21:33] Vince Menzione: terrific. [00:21:33] Jen Odess: We don’t want. If you’ve got an area that’s a blind spot and you’re a partner, but that’s something your customer is buying from you, there’s no harm in saying let’s bring in an expert in that category to deliver that piece of the business. That’s right. And we’ll maybe shadow and watch alongside. [00:21:46] Jen Odess: So we’re seeing more and more of it. And I actually think like the world of. Partnerships and ecosystems. If I go back to like my previous ecosystem as well, it’s become so much more communal than ever before. Yes. This idea that we can share and be more open and maybe even commiserate over the things, gosh, I can’t believe we have the same frustrations or we have the same. [00:22:09] Jen Odess: Wow, that’s amazing. And you’re in this country. And I’m in this country. And so we’re seeing more and more coming together on deals which I really respect a lot. ’cause So one of the new facts we’ve just learned actually, Vince, is that. Of all the ai buying that customers are doing out there, they actually still want over 70% of it to be done by partners. [00:22:32] Vince Menzione: Yes. [00:22:33] Jen Odess: So even though it looks like it could be maybe set up easy configured, easy plug and play it. It to get, it’s not real ROI. You still need a partner with expertise in that industry or that domain, or in that location or in that language to come and bring the value to life. And we will certainly accelerate, help accelerate time to value with things that ServiceNow will do for our partners. [00:22:56] Jen Odess: But if over 70% is gonna go to partners and AI is so new, wouldn’t you want more than one partner Sometimes on a absolutely on a deal, at least while we’re all learning. I think we can keep ebbing and flowing [00:23:07] Vince Menzione: on this. We you, I dunno if Jay McBain, ’cause we’ve had him in the room here and he is a, he’s an analyst that does a lot of work around this topic. [00:23:14] Vince Menzione: And we talk about the seven seats at the table because there are, again, you need more you, first of all, you need to have your trusted, you need to have the organizations that you work with. And you also, in the world of ai, with all of the tectonic shifts, all the constant changing that’s going on right now, I need to make sure that I have the right. [00:23:31] Vince Menzione: People by my side that I can trust, they can help me deliver what I need to deliver. ’cause it might have changed from six months ago. And the technology is changing. Everything is changing so rapidly right now. So again, having all those right people I want to pick up on something ’cause we talked a little bit about MSPs and they’ve become a favorite topic of ours. [00:23:52] Vince Menzione: I have become acutely aware of the Ms P community recently. I kinda looked at them as well. There’s little small partners, but you’ve suggested this as well. They have regional expert, they have expertise in a specific area. And can be trusted, and maybe you’re integrating multiple solution sets for a customer. [00:24:11] Vince Menzione: But we’ve seen this MSP community become very vibrant lately, and I feel like they woke up to technology and to AI in such a big way. Can you comment on that? [00:24:20] Jen Odess: So we feel and see the same thing I’ve always valued what managed service providers bring to the table. It’s like that. [00:24:26] Jen Odess: Classic are you a transformation shop or are you a ta? The tail end or the run business shop? And so many partners are like we’re both, and I wanna be like, but are you? But now I feel like we finally are seeing the run business is so fruitful. So AI is innovating. All the time. [00:24:46] Jen Odess: We, we are innovating as a AI platform all the time. What used to be six month, every six months family releases of our software. Yeah. It became quarterly and now we’re practically seeing releases of new innovation every six to eight weeks. So why wouldn’t you want a managed service provider? Paying close attention to your whole instance on ServiceNow and taking into account all the latest innovation and building it into your existing instance, and then looking out for what new things you should be bringing in. [00:25:20] Jen Odess: So that’s the beauty of the, it’s almost partnerships, observing, and then suggesting how to keep. Doing better and more and better versus always jumping straight back to complete redesign and transformation. Yeah, and that’s one of the things I like about the MSPs in this space. [00:25:36] Vince Menzione: So let’s broaden out from this part of the conversation ’cause you’re giving specific guidance to the MSPs, but let’s think about this whole partner community. [00:25:43] Vince Menzione: And you’ve seen this transformation coming over to ServiceNow and even within ServiceNow these last five years. How do these organizations need to think differently? And how do they need to structure their services in this newent world? [00:25:58] Jen Odess: Great question. There’s really four things that I think they have to be thoughtful of. [00:26:02] Jen Odess: The first is maybe the most obvious they have to adopt AI as their own ways of doing work methodology. Delivery, whatever it is, because only through the, it’s not about taking out people in jobs, it’s about doing the job faster, right? It’s about getting the customer to value faster so that adoption of AI will make or break some partners. [00:26:24] Jen Odess: And our goal is that every partner comes on the other side of this AI journey, thriving and surviving. So we’re really pushing. This agenda. And maybe later I can talk to you a little bit more about this autonomous implementation concept. Please. ’cause I that will [00:26:37] Vince Menzione: resonate. So you’re saying they need to, we used to use the term eat their own dog food. [00:26:41] Vince Menzione: Now it’s drink your own champagne. Yeah. But they need to adopt it as well internally. [00:26:46] Jen Odess: Yeah. And I think whether they’re using, I hope they’re using ServiceNow as like a client, zero. To do some of that adoption. But there’s lots of other tools that are great AI tools that will make your job and your day-to-day life and the execution of that job easier. [00:26:59] Jen Odess: So we want them adopting all of that. The second is, we really need to see partners. Innovating on the ServiceNow platform. Yeah. And whether that’s building agents AI agents that go into the ServiceNow store, whether it’s building a really fantastic solution that we wanna joint jointly go to market with, or maybe it’s one of those embedded solutions you were commenting where the end user doesn’t even know that the backend, like a tax and audit solution that is actually just. [00:27:29] Jen Odess: The backend is all ServiceNow. Yeah. But that partner is going to market and selling it to all their customers. Exactly. So I think this co-innovation is gonna be a place that we will really win in market. The third is if a partner wants to stand out right now, they have to differentiate on paper too. [00:27:47] Jen Odess: It’s gotta like what does that mean? So if there’s 2,500 partners. And it’s not like we don’t walk around and just say, you should talk to this partner. Yeah. Or here’s my secret list. You should, we don’t do that. That’s not good business and it’s not compliant. So we have algorithms that take all the quantitative and qualitative data on our partners and they know all the data points ’cause it’s part of the partner program Nice. [00:28:10] Jen Odess: That they adhere to and then ranks them on status. And all those data points are what I’m referring to as on paper. You’ve gotta be differentiated. So whether or not you wanna be great at one thing or great across the whole thing, think about how all of those quantitative and qualitative data points are making you stand out, because that’s where those matches that I was referring to. [00:28:35] Jen Odess: Yes. That’s where that’s gonna come to life. And it’s skills, it’s capabilities. It’s deployments. So Proofpoint and deployments, customer success stories, csat, all the things. So [00:28:47] Vince Menzione: those are all the qualifi qualifiers for and more, but those are the types [00:28:49] Jen Odess: of qualifications. Yeah. [00:28:51] Vince Menzione: And then do your, does your sales organization do a match against that based on a customer’s requirements that they’re working with and who they work with and co-sell with? [00:29:00] Jen Odess: And I feel like you just lobbed me the greatest question. I didn’t even know you were gonna ask it, but I’m so glad you did. So today. Today there is something called a partner finder, which is which is nice, but it’s a little bit old school in a world of ai. Yeah. So you go to servicenow.com, you click partner from the top navigation, and then it says find a partner and you can literally type in the products you’re buying the country, you’re, that you’re headquartered out of. [00:29:26] Jen Odess: Whatever thing you’re looking for. And it will start to filter based on all those data points, the right partners, and you can actually click right there to be connected to a partner. So lead generation. Okay, interesting. But where we’re going is a agentic matching right in our CRM for the field. Oh. So those data points are gonna matter even more, and that’s where the gated. [00:29:48] Jen Odess: I say gated entry, which is probably too extreme, right? It’s really gated. If you wanna surface toward the top, there’s gated parameters to try to surface to the top, but those data points will feed the algorithm and it will genetically match right in our CRM for the field. Who are the best suited partners? [00:30:09] Jen Odess: Would you like to talk to them? [00:30:10] Vince Menzione: Okay. And so is it. Partner facing? Is it sales team facing [00:30:14] Jen Odess: Right now? It’s sales. It’ll, when it goes live, it will be sales team facing. Okay. But we have greater ambition for what partners can do with it. Yeah. Not just in the indirect motion, but also what partners may be able to do with it to interface with our field. [00:30:30] Jen Odess: The. [00:30:31] Vince Menzione: The, yeah the collaboration [00:30:33] Jen Odess: opportunity. Which is always a friction point that we’re working on [00:30:36] Vince Menzione: always because it’s very manual. It’s people intensive. Yeah. Partner development managers sitting on both sides of the equation and the interface between the sales organization and a partner organization is not always the. The easiest. So right. Automated, quite a bit of that. [00:30:49] Jen Odess: My boss is obsessed with the easy button, which I know is a phrase many of us in the US know from I think it’s an Office Depot, all these ways in which we can have easy button moments for the partner ecosystem is what we’re trying to focus on. [00:31:01] Jen Odess: I love the easy button. [00:31:02] Vince Menzione: Yeah. And I love your boss too. Yeah, he’s fabulous. Fabulous. So Michael and I go back like many years ago. You must have, [00:31:08] Jen Odess: yeah. You must have had paths crossing on numerous occasions. [00:31:12] Vince Menzione: Yeah we we worked together micro I’m going to hijack the session for a second here. [00:31:16] Vince Menzione: But when I first came to Microsoft, he was leading a, the se, a segment of the business, and he invited me to come to his event and interviewed me on stage at his event. [00:31:26] Jen Odess: No way. [00:31:26] Vince Menzione: And we got to know each other and yeah. So he was terrific. He was what a great find for, oh, he’s for service now. [00:31:32] Vince Menzione: He’s really [00:31:32] Jen Odess: has been a fantastic addition [00:31:34] Vince Menzione: to the global partnerships and channels team. And Michael, we have to have you on the podcast. Yes. Or cut down here in the studio at some point too with Jen and I. That’d be great. So this is terrific. We are getting it’s an incredible time. [00:31:44] Vince Menzione: It’s going so fast this time, 2022 was, seems like it was five, it feels like it was almost 10 years ago now. It wasn’t that we just started talking about it and you were implementing AI 10 years ago, but it wasn’t getting the attention that it’s getting today. And it really wasn’t until that moment that it really started to kick off in a way that everybody, yeah. It became pervasive overnight I would say. But now we’re starting 2026, like we’re at. This precipice of time and it’s continuing. I don’t even know what 2030 is gonna look like, right? So I’m a partner. [00:32:16] Vince Menzione: What are the one, two, or three things that I need to do now to win over and work with ServiceNow? [00:32:23] Jen Odess: One, two or three things? I’ll tell you the first thing. So today ServiceNow will end up hitting 500 million in annual contract value in our Now Assist, which is our AI products by the end of 2025, which is the fastest growing product in all of ServiceNow history. [00:32:37] Jen Odess: That’s one product that’s so there’s lots of SKUs. Yeah, but it is. It’s our AI product. Yeah. And it is, but yeah, because of all the various ways. [00:32:45] Vince Menzione: So half a billion dollars, [00:32:46] Jen Odess: half a billion by the end of 2025. And I think, someone’s gonna have to keep me honest here, but if memory serves me right, the first skews didn’t even launch until 2024. [00:32:54] Jen Odess: So we’re talking about wow, in a year it’s fast. Over 1,700 customers are live with our now assist products. Again, in a matter of, let’s call it over, a little over a year, 1,700 partners. So I think the first thing a partner needs to do is they’ve gotta get on this AI bandwagon, and they’ve gotta be selling and positioning AI use cases to their customers, because that’s the only way they’re gonna get. [00:33:20] Jen Odess: Experience and an opportunity to see what it feels like to deliver. So we have to do that. And I think you could sell a big use case like that big, we talked north, south, east, west, you could do that whole thing. Brilliant. But you could also start small. Go pick a single use case. Like a really simple example of something you wanna, some work you wanna drive productivity on. [00:33:41] Jen Odess: Yeah. And make sure you’ve got multiple stakeholders that love it and then go drive proving that use case. That’s what we’re telling a lot of partners. That’s the first thing. The second is they have got to build skills on AI and they have to keep up with it. And so we’re trying to really think about our broader learning and development team at ServiceNow is just next level. [00:34:00] Jen Odess: And they’re really re-imagining how to have more real time bite size. Training and enablement that will help individuals keep up with that pace of innovation. So individuals have got to get skilled. Yes. On AI today, of that a hundred thousand or so individuals in the ecosystem right now, about 35% of those individuals hold one or more AI credential. [00:34:25] Jen Odess: Again, that’s in a little over a year, which is the fastest growing skill development we’ve ever had, but it should be a hundred percent. Yeah. All of our goals should be that every account is being sold ai. ’cause that’s where the customer’s gonna get to value a ServiceNow is if they have the AI capabilities. [00:34:40] Jen Odess: And [00:34:41] Vince Menzione: how are you providing enablement and training? Is it all online? It’s, we have [00:34:44] Jen Odess: all sorts of ways of doing it. So that we have ServiceNow University, which is just a really robust, learning platform. Elba is our professor in residence. Very cool. Which is very cool. And they’re all content. [00:34:57] Jen Odess: Is free to partners. The training is free to partners that is on demand. Beyond that, partners can still get, instructor led training, whether that’s in person or virtual. And then my team offers enablement. That’s a little bit more, it’s like not formal training, it’s more like hands-on labs and experiences. [00:35:17] Jen Odess: We bring in lots of groups that sit around me that help and we very cool hands on with partners face-to-face. And do you do an annual event where you bring all these partners together? No, because we do we have three major milestones a year for partners. So the first is at sales kickoff, which is coming up the third week in January. [00:35:33] Jen Odess: And alongside sales kickoff is partner kickoff. Okay. And so we do a whole day of enabling them. So that’s your [00:35:39] Vince Menzione: partner kickoff? [00:35:40] Jen Odess: That’s partner kickoff. But of the, of all the partners in the ecosystem, it’s not like they can all make it. So we still also record and then live stream some of the content there. [00:35:49] Jen Odess: Then at Knowledge, there’s a whole partner track at Knowledge and same concept. Yeah, it’s like it’s all about customers and we wanna, build as much pipeline and wow as many customers as possible, but we also need to help our partners come along the journey. Then the third and final moment is in September, always, and it’s called our Global Partner Ecosystem Summit. [00:36:08] Jen Odess: We should have you, I’d love to join this next year. I love that. And it’s really, that’s the one time if sales kickoff is all about the sales motion in the field and knowledge is all about the customers and getting customers value. Global Partner Ecosystem Summit is only about the partners, what they need, why they need it, and what we’re doing to make their lives easier. [00:36:28] Jen Odess: I love it. Yeah. I’ll be there September. I love it. Dates yet set yet? I have to, it’s getting locked. I’ll get it to you. [00:36:34] Vince Menzione: Okay. All right. I’ll, we’ll be there. Okay. So you’ve been incredible. I just love having you. We could spend hours, honestly, and I want to have you back here. I’d love to, I have you back for a more meaningful conversation with the hyperscalers. [00:36:45] Vince Menzione: Talk to some of the partners that join us at Ultimate Partner events. We’ll find a way to do that, but I have this one question. It’s a favorite question of mine, and I love to ask all my guests this. Okay. You’re hosting a dinner party. And you could host a dinner party anywhere in the world. We could talk about great locations and where your favorite places are, and you can invite any three guests from the present or the past to this amazing dinner party. [00:37:11] Vince Menzione: We had one guest who wanted to do them in the future, like three people that hadn’t reached a future date. Whom would you invite Jen and why? [00:37:21] Jen Odess: Oh, first of all, you’re hitting home for me because I love to host dinner parties. I actually used to have a catering company. This is like one of those weird facts that, we didn’t talk about my pre services and ecosystem days, but I also had a catering company, so I love cooking and hosting dinner parties. [00:37:38] Jen Odess: So this is a great question. I feel like it’s a loaded question and I have to say my spouse. I love my husband dearly, but I have. To invite Lee to my dinner party. Okay. He’s in [00:37:47] Vince Menzione: Lee’s guest number one. Lee’s [00:37:49] Jen Odess: guest, number one. And the reason why is, first of all, I love him dearly, but he’s super interesting and he has such thought provoking topics to, to discuss and ways of viewing the world. [00:38:00] Jen Odess: He’s actually in security tech, so it’s like a tangential space, but not the same. [00:38:05] Vince Menzione: Yeah. But an important space right now, especially. Yeah. And [00:38:07] Jen Odess: he, yeah. And he’s, he’s just a delight to be around. So he’d be number one. Number two would be Frank Lloyd Wright. [00:38:15] Vince Menzione: Frank. Lloyd Wright. [00:38:17] Jen Odess: Yeah. I am an architecture and design junkie. [00:38:21] Jen Odess: Maybe I don’t do any of it myself, though. I dabble with friends that do it, and I try to apply it to my home life when I can. And Frank Lloyd Wright sort of embodies some of my favorite. Components of any kind of environment that you are experiencing, whether it’s a home or it’s an office building or it’s an outdoor space. [00:38:39] Jen Odess: I love the idea of minimalism and simplicity. I love the idea of monochromatic colors. I love the idea of spaces that can be used for multipurpose. And then I love the idea of the outside being in and the inside being out. I love it. So I would like love to pick his brain on some of his, how he came up with some of his ideas. [00:38:59] Jen Odess: Fascinating for some of his greatest. Yeah. Designs. Okay. That’s number two. Number three, I think it would be Pharrell Williams. Really? Yeah, I, Pharrell Williams. Yeah. I love fashion music and all things creativity. He’s got that, Annie’s philanthropic. He’s just yeah. The whole package of a good person. [00:39:26] Jen Odess: That’s super interesting and I very cool. I would love to pick his brain on what it was like to be behind the scenes on some of the fashion lines he’s collaborated with on some of his music collabs he’s had, and then just some of the work he’s doing around philanthropy. I would. I could just spend all night probably listening to him. [00:39:43] Jen Odess: This would be a [00:39:44] Vince Menzione: really cool conversation night. [00:39:45] Jen Odess: Don’t you wanna come to my dinner? Was gonna say, I’m sorry I didn’t invite you to identify. No [00:39:49] Vince Menzione: I was, can I bring dessert? [00:39:50] Jen Odess: Yeah. I come [00:39:50] Vince Menzione: for dessert. I, but it can’t, [00:39:51] Jen Odess: it has to be like a chocolate dessert. It’s gotta have [00:39:54] Vince Menzione: I love chocolate dessert. [00:39:55] Vince Menzione: Okay, great. So it would not be a problem for me, Jen. This is terrific. You have been absolutely amazing. So great to have you come here. Yeah. Such a busy time of year to have you make the trip here to Boca. We will have you back in the studio. I promise that I’ll have you back on stage. Stage. [00:40:10] Jen Odess: This is beautiful. [00:40:10] Jen Odess: Look at it. Yeah. This is [00:40:11] Vince Menzione: beautiful. And we transformed this into, to a room, basically a conference room. And then we also have our ultimate partner events. I would love to come, we would love to have you join us. Like I said, ServiceNow is such an impactful time. Your leadership in this segment market, and I wouldn’t say segment across all of AI in terms of all the use cases of AI is just so meaningful, especially for within the enterprise. [00:40:33] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Right now. So just really a jogger nut right now within the industry. So great to have you and have ServiceNow join us. So Jen, thank you so much for joining us. [00:40:42] Jen Odess: Thanks Vince. Appreciate the time. It’s a pleasure to be here. [00:40:44] Vince Menzione: Thank you very much. Thanks for tuning into this episode of Ultimate Eye to Partnering. [00:40:50] Vince Menzione: We’re bringing these episodes to you to help you level up your strategy. If you haven’t yet, now’s the time to take action and think about joining our community. We created a unique place, UPX or Ultimate partner experience. It’s more than a community. It’s your competitive edge with insider insights, real-time education, and direct access to people who are driving the ecosystem forward. [00:41:16] Vince Menzione: UPX helps you get results. And we’re just getting started as we’re taking this studio. And we’ll be hosting live stream and digital events here, including our January live stream, the Boca Winter Retreat, and more to come. So visit our website, the ultimate partner.com to learn more and join us. Now’s the time to take your partnerships to the next level.

Scott Alldridge, CEO of IP Services and author of the Visible Ops series, emphasizes the necessity of viewing cybersecurity as a growth driver rather than a cost center. He argues that the increasing sophistication of cyber threats, which now target small businesses, necessitates a shift in perspective. Aldridge highlights that organizations must recognize cybersecurity as essential for survival, framing it as revenue protection and enablement. He cites the example of MGM, which suffered a significant ransomware attack that resulted in over $140 million in losses, underscoring the urgency for businesses to prioritize cybersecurity.Aldridge discusses the importance of measurable indicators to demonstrate improvements in security posture. He advocates for regular vulnerability scanning and penetration testing, moving beyond the outdated practice of annual assessments. He notes that organizations should conduct these tests quarterly or even monthly to adapt to the evolving threat landscape. Metrics such as Mean Time to Detect (MTTD) and Mean Time to Respond (MTTR) are critical for assessing the effectiveness of cybersecurity measures and ensuring timely responses to potential threats.The conversation also touches on the human factor in cybersecurity, emphasizing the need for robust training and awareness programs to mitigate risks associated with employee actions. Aldridge stresses that leadership commitment is crucial for fostering a culture of security within organizations. He advocates for a philosophical approach to cybersecurity, including the adoption of frameworks like Zero Trust, which emphasizes strict access controls and continuous monitoring.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT leaders, the episode underscores the importance of integrating cybersecurity into business strategy. By framing cybersecurity as a critical component of business continuity and reputation management, MSPs can better communicate its value to clients. The discussion also highlights the need for ongoing education and adaptation to new threats, ensuring that organizations remain resilient in the face of cyber challenges. Viewers can get free e-copy of the book, “Virtual Ops Cybersecurity” by texting SECURE25 to 541-359-1269”

OpenAI has released GPT 5.2, a new model that reportedly outperforms industry professionals across 44 occupations in benchmark tests, completing tasks over 11 times faster and at less than 1% of the cost of expert professionals. This development follows a declaration of urgency from CEO Sam Altman, who highlighted the need to enhance ChatGPT's capabilities in response to competition from Google's Gemini 3. The implications for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) are significant, as the model aims to improve productivity and efficiency in various professional settings, potentially reshaping workflows and service delivery.In a related move, the Walt Disney Company has entered a three-year licensing agreement with OpenAI, investing $1 billion to allow the integration of over 200 characters from its franchises into OpenAI's Sora video generation tool. This partnership is designed to enhance user engagement while respecting creator rights through licensing fees. Concurrently, Disney has filed a cease and desist letter against Google for alleged copyright infringement, claiming that Google has been distributing copyrighted content from its library without authorization. This dual approach of licensing and litigation illustrates the complexities of copyright in the AI era, particularly for smaller companies lacking the enforcement capabilities of larger entities.The episode also discusses the U.S. government's response to AI governance, including an executive order from President Trump aimed at preventing states from enacting regulations that could hinder the AI industry. This order reflects a broader tension within the Republican coalition regarding the potential risks of unregulated AI, such as job displacement. Additionally, a ruling by the Penn Guild against Politico highlights the importance of human oversight in AI applications within journalism, emphasizing that AI cannot replace the accountability inherent in human reporting.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity of treating AI not merely as a tool but as a process change that requires governance and risk management. As AI technologies become more integrated into workflows, the potential for legal exposure increases if they are deployed without adequate oversight. MSPs that focus on helping clients navigate these complexities and implement robust governance frameworks will be better positioned to provide value and mitigate risks associated with emerging technologies. Three things to know today 00:00 As OpenAI and Google Advance AI Models, Disney's Licensing and Lawsuits Highlight the Real Stakes06:58 Trump Pushes AI Deregulation While Unions and Agencies Enforce Accountability, Exposing a Growing Governance Gap10:29 AI, Quantum, and the Myth of Inevitable Adoption: What CIO Guidance and Microsoft's History Reveal About Real Tech Value This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://scalepad.com/dave/https://getflexpoint.com/msp-radio/ 

Microsoft's analysis of 37.5 million de-identified conversations from its CoPilot feature indicates that AI assistants are becoming increasingly integrated into daily life, with users frequently seeking health-related advice and engaging in programming discussions during weekdays. However, despite this growing reliance on AI, CoPilot only commands about 3% of the AI chatbot market, significantly overshadowed by ChatGPT's 80% share. Deloitte's recent report highlights persistent barriers to AI adoption, including data privacy concerns and regulatory challenges, revealing that only 25% of organizations have fully integrated AI into their operations as of late 2025.The U.S. Navy's investment of $448 million in an AI system designed to streamline submarine shipbuilding processes exemplifies successful AI implementation. This initiative, which reduces planning times from 160 hours to just 10 minutes, underscores the importance of having the right infrastructure and oversight in place for AI to thrive. The Navy's approach contrasts sharply with the broader industry, where many organizations struggle to align AI technologies with existing systems and compliance requirements.In addition to these developments, Anthropic's donation of its Model Context Protocol (MCP) to the Linux Foundation signals a shift towards standardization in AI interactions. This protocol aims to facilitate communication between AI systems and applications, potentially transforming user experiences. However, the move raises concerns about the concentration of risk associated with shared protocols, as any flaws could impact all users. Furthermore, CISA's launch of a new industry engagement platform aims to enhance collaboration with tech innovators, particularly in light of increasing mandatory cyber incident reporting.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, these developments highlight the critical need for robust governance and infrastructure to support AI technologies. As organizations increasingly turn to AI for operational efficiency, MSPs must focus on establishing the necessary frameworks for data management, compliance, and security. The evolving landscape emphasizes the importance of being proactive in developing policies and workflows that address the complexities of AI integration, ensuring that clients can navigate the challenges and leverage AI effectively.Four things to know today00:00 AI Use Soars but Readiness Lags: Microsoft's Copilot Data, Deloitte's Enterprise Findings, and the Navy's Structured Deployment Show the Gap05:41 Anthropic's MCP Move Signals Shift Toward Unified AI Agent Infrastructure Under Linux Foundation08:01 CISA Expands Industry Engagement as Microsoft Broadens Bug Bounties — Raising the Bar for Security GovernanceAND10:48 Accenture Taps Anthropic as Enterprise AI Partner While Pax8 Adds Google Cloud for ANZ MSPsThis is the Business of Tech.   Supported by:  https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorshiphttps://timezest.com/mspradio/

Send us a textChristina Klein, a visionary leader at Lansweeper, joins Joey Pinz at IT Nation Orlando to share her unique blend of creativity, discipline, and data-driven leadership. From learning carpentry as a child to leading tech innovation and women's leadership programs, Christina discusses how she bridges design, technology, and purpose. She reveals how Lansweeper empowers MSPs with deep asset visibility, accelerates cybersecurity response times, and enables scalable growth through efficiency and trust. The conversation explores leadership authenticity, the impact of AI, and how small daily actions can unlock big transformations — in business and life. 

Send us a textRecorded live at IT Nation, MJ Shoer (Chief Community Officer, GTIA) breaks down how the newly branded Global Technology Industry Association is delivering practical wins for MSPs. We cover the GTIA ISAO (built with ConnectWise) for actionable threat intelligence, the cybersecurity Trust Mark that validates your internal controls against your chosen framework, and how GTIA's unbiased research can be co-branded for QBRs to boost credibility and close rates. MJ also unpacks workforce strategy with “NowGen”—supporting both youth and mid-career changers—plus global mentorship, learning libraries, and why ConnectWise-sponsored memberships are a fast on-ramp. We close with GTIA's growing foundation work and MJ's personal take on discipline, recovery, and building routines after injury. If you run an MSP and want immediate ROI from a trade association, this one's loaded with specifics you can apply this quarter.Top 3 highlightsClear, fast ROI: GTIA ISAO access, co-brandable research, and ConnectWise-sponsored memberships for partners.Security you can show: the GTIA Cybersecurity Trust Mark validates your practices against your chosen framework.Talent + growth: NowGen pathways, global mentorship, and a learning library spanning soft skills to leadership.  #JoeyPinz #MSPInfluencer #ForzaDash #ITNation #ITN25 #MSP #GTIA #Cybersecurity #ThreatIntelligence #CompTIA #Mentorship #QBR --- Join us for enlightening discussions that spark growth and exploration. Hosted by Joey Pinz, this Discipline Conversations Podcast offers insights and inspiration. 

Send us a textIn this insightful conversation, Carolyn April, Senior Researcher at GTIA and longtime CompTIA veteran, shares how her journalism roots shaped her passion for unbiased channel research. From designing surveys that reveal real market truth to helping MSPs adapt to AI disruption and cybersecurity complexity, Carolyn explains how data can empower strategic decisions. She also opens up about her personal discipline through running, her journey from CompTIA to GTIA, and her belief that curiosity and credibility are the lifeblood of the tech industry. 

Send us a textIn this insightful IT Nation conversation, Rick Murphy, Managing Partner at Cogent Growth Partners, joins Joey Pinz to discuss the mindset and mechanics of successful MSP mergers and acquisitions. Rick opens up about his 60-pound weight loss journey and parallels it with running a business — both require discipline, consistency, and a clear goal.He explains why every MSP will eventually trade hands, why “exit strategy” is a myth, and how liquidity planning and solid financial discipline create real enterprise value. Rick also breaks down the dangers of “Top Line Disease,” shares why non-solicit agreements matter more than non-competes, and urges MSPs to run their company like they're going to sell it tomorrow — even if they're not. ✦ Top 3 Highlights

Send us a textCristina Carretero, Partner Marketing Manager at Arctic Wolf, joins Joey Pinz at IT Nation Connect 2025 to discuss the evolution of channel marketing, the power of AI in partner enablement, and her global journey from Spain to the cybersecurity stage. With over 20 years in marketing, Cristina shares how language, clarity, and collaboration help MSPs thrive — plus her personal discipline practices rooted in meditation, journaling, and mindfulness.She also reveals how Arctic Wolf is helping MSPs manage cyber risk, strengthen branding, and leverage AI tools like Copilot to communicate more effectively. This is a must-listen for anyone in the MSP or vendor ecosystem looking to bridge the gap between marketing and sales. ✦ Top 3 HighlightsPartner Marketing Mastery: Cristina explains how Arctic Wolf supports MSPs with campaigns-in-a-box, co-branding, and messaging strategies that resonate.AI with Purpose: How Arctic Wolf trains Copilot to understand their voice and audience, boosting marketer productivity while keeping human creativity central.Discipline & Mindfulness: Cristina's daily meditation and journaling routine that grounds her amid a busy travel schedule and leadership role. #JoeyPinz #MSPInfluencer #ForzaDash #ArcticWolf #MSPMarketing #PartnerMarketing #ChannelMarketing #Cybersecurity #AIinMarketing #MSPGrowth #ITNation #ITN25 #Discipline #Mindfulness #Meditation #AI #Copilot #VendorPartnerships #MSPCommunity --- Join us for enlightening discussions that spark growth and exploration. Hosted by Joey Pinz, this Discipline Conversations Podcast offers insights and inspiration. 

AI adoption among business leaders is facing significant skepticism, as a recent survey by Workato and Harvard Business Review revealed that only 6% of over 600 tech leaders expressed full confidence in AI agents managing essential processes. Despite this lack of trust, 86% of respondents indicated plans to invest more in AI technology over the next two years. Key challenges hindering widespread adoption include cybersecurity concerns, data quality issues, and the readiness of business processes for automation. This situation highlights a critical gap between the desire for AI integration and the actual trust in its capabilities.Further research published in the journal Science indicates that chatbots can significantly influence users' beliefs and opinions, raising governance concerns. The study, which involved nearly 77,000 adults in the UK, found that the persuasiveness of chatbots is influenced more by their post-training modifications and the density of information provided than by the size of the model. Additionally, an experiment by SAP revealed a bias against AI in consulting, where consultants rated AI-generated work lower than that produced by junior interns, despite both outputs being equally accurate. This suggests that psychological factors, rather than technical limitations, are a primary barrier to AI acceptance.The episode also discusses the introduction of a new location tracking feature in Microsoft Teams, which aims to facilitate collaboration in hybrid work environments but raises privacy concerns. A survey indicated that one-third of companies are using monitoring software, which can negatively impact employee morale. Furthermore, Coalition, a cybersecurity insurer, has begun offering coverage for incidents involving deepfakes, reflecting a shift in the risk landscape as synthetic media becomes more prevalent in cybercrime.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, these developments underscore the importance of focusing on trust, governance, and process design rather than merely implementing AI tools. As younger leaders demand personalized AI solutions, MSPs must adapt to this shift by enhancing their documentation and identifying predictable workflows suitable for automation. The evolving landscape of AI and cybersecurity risks necessitates that MSPs position themselves as trusted advisors, guiding clients through the complexities of technology adoption and risk management. Four things to know today00:00 New Research Reveals AI's Trust Gap: Low Confidence, High Influence, Professional Bias, and Rising Expectations From Younger Leaders05:53 Teams' New Location Tracking Highlights Tension Between Hybrid Coordination and Workplace Surveillance Risks07:57 Deepfake Coverage Enters Cyber Insurance as Insurers Signal Rising Human-Trust Risk for SMBs and MSPs10:17 iFixit's FixBot Highlights the Coming Divide Between Organized MSPs and Those Unready for AI-Driven Support This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://saasalerts.com/mspradio/ 

AI adoption is facing significant challenges, as evidenced by Microsoft's CoPilot Plus initiative, which accounted for less than 10% of systems shipped in Q3 2024. Despite initial enthusiasm, privacy concerns surrounding features like the recall function have hindered consumer interest, leading Microsoft to pivot towards making all Windows 11 computers AI-capable through cloud-powered features. Concurrently, a decline in workplace AI usage has been reported, with only 11% of employees at large companies utilizing AI for productivity, a decrease from previous months. This trend raises concerns about the effectiveness and integration of AI technologies in business processes.The quality of AI research is also under scrutiny, highlighted by Kevin Zhao's claim of authorship of 113 academic papers in a single year, with many deemed low-quality by experts. The Neura IPS conference received over 21,500 submissions this year, reflecting a pressure to publish that may compromise research integrity. Additionally, a study indicated that while 75% of workers believe AI enhances their work quality, the actual productivity gains are modest, with heavy users reporting significant time savings compared to average users.In the realm of cybersecurity, Gartner has issued a warning against AI browsers, citing major risks such as prompt injection attacks that could expose sensitive data. Google is attempting to enhance security for its Chrome features that automate tasks, but concerns remain about the overall safety of AI agents in browsers. Meanwhile, the shift towards passkeys for secure authentication is gaining momentum, with over 2 billion passkeys in use, demonstrating a preference for phishing-resistant multi-factor authentication.For Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and IT service leaders, these developments underscore the need for a cautious approach to AI technologies and cybersecurity measures. The decline in AI adoption and the emphasis on quality research highlight the importance of integrating AI thoughtfully into existing workflows. Additionally, the urgency of addressing cybersecurity risks associated with AI browsers and the shift towards passkeys presents an opportunity for MSPs to guide clients in adopting secure and effective identity verification methods while avoiding potential pitfalls in emerging technologies. Three things to know today00:00 AI Hits the Reality Wall as Hardware Stalls, Research Quality Slips, Adoption Drops, and Safety Scores Lag07:06 Gartner Issues Stop-Sign on AI Browsers as Google Tightens Agentic Controls and Passkeys Gain Momentum10:55 Market Convergence Accelerates as NinjaOne, Netrio, and Proxmox Push Deeper into MSP Control LayersThis is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://mailprotector.com/mspradio/ 

Send us a textBlake Myers lives life on the edge—literally. A semi-pro bull rider, former powerlifter, and cybersecurity specialist at Blumira, Blake shares how discipline connects every aspect of his adrenaline-fueled journey. From surviving eight-second rides to helping MSPs defend clients from cyber threats, he reveals the mindset it takes to stay focused under pressure. Recorded live at #ITNationConnect 2025, this conversation dives into risk, resilience, and why true strength comes from control—not chaos. ⭐ Top 3 Highlights

Send us a textWhat do chess, rock climbing, and business have in common? For tech visionary and problem-solver Stephen Yu, everything is a puzzle waiting to be understood. In this episode of Joey Pinz Conversations, we explore how the founder of Adaptive Catalog approaches life and leadership through curiosity and pattern recognition—from teaching his son chess to building solutions that let MSPs “sell without quoting.”Stephen shares his journey from Quosal's early ConnectWise days to creating Adaptive Catalog, a platform reshaping how IT resellers and MSPs buy and sell. He opens up about his personal health wake-up call, reversing diabetes through determination, and how discipline, empathy, and fit guide every part of his life.✨ Top 3 Highlights:1️⃣ How chess and climbing teach pattern recognition and problem-solving.2️⃣ Why great partnerships depend on shared values and “fit.”3️⃣ The future of MSP automation and ethical AI in business.#JoeyPinzPodcast #MSPInfluencer #MSPCommunity #AdaptiveCatalog #AI #MSP #ConnectWise #Entrepreneurship #ProblemSolving #Leadership #TechInnovation #HealthJourney #Podcast #ForzaDash #ITNation #ITN25   Episode Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yushifan/https://www.linkedin.com/company/adaptive-catalog/https://www.adaptivecatalog.com/  Tags:Stephen Yu, Adaptive Catalog, MSP, ConnectWise, AI, entrepreneurship, leadership, tech innovation, problem solving, podcast, Joey Pinz Conversations, health, diabetes recovery, ITNationSupport the show

Send us a textIn this engaging IT Nation 2025 conversation, Kate Schlarf, Senior Marketing Leader at Moovila, joins Joey Pinz Discipline Conversations to unpack how MSPs can turn project chaos into clarity and profit. She reveals how Moovila's Project Hub—a library of MSP-built templates—helps partners improve forecasting, eliminate scope creep, and boost project margins.Kate also shares her insights on branding, marketing, and community building in the MSP space, explaining why consistency (and even a purple cow mascot