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Eric Dyson, Executive Director of 90 North Consulting and one of the retirement industry's more active ERISA expert witnesses, joins the 401(k) Specialist Podcast for a practical conversation on how plan sponsors and advisors can reduce fiduciary risk—and be better prepared if the Department of Labor comes calling.Drawing on his experience testifying in more than a dozen ERISA cases, Dyson shares the most common mistakes he sees in litigation and investigations, why a DOL audit may be a bigger risk than a lawsuit for most plans, and what courts actually expect from fiduciaries. He tackles pressing questions around paying advisors and TPAs with plan assets, properly documenting QDIA selections to secure safe harbor protection, conducting RFPs and benchmarking at “reasonable intervals,” and crafting committee meeting minutes that protect rather than expose.Dyson also provides clear, actionable steps sponsors can take before their next committee meeting to strengthen governance, document prudence, and stay off the litigation radar, and reduce fiduciary risk.EDITOR'S NOTE: This podcast episode is part of our new “Deep Dive” special content package for Q1 2026 titled, “How Not to Get Sued.” You can find additional coverage in the links below, and more focused content will be available in the coming days.SEE ALSO:How Not to Get Sued in 2026: Part 1How Not to Get Sued 2026: Part 2

This episode is packed with Illinois news and a national lawsuit that hits close to home. Cole breaks down his latest original reporting on outdoor cultivation being quietly allowed for a select few in Illinois, and asks the bigger question: who gets flexibility under state law, and who does not? He connects the screenhouse litigation to what it could mean for craft growers, medical patients, and the long-overdue push for homegrow for all adults. Plus, Cole reacts to a Chicago Reporter piece on “what Illinois got wrong about legal weed,” including what the article highlights and what he thinks it leaves out, then closes with the Ohio Attorney General's antitrust lawsuit alleging MSOs coordinated shelf-space deals to keep prices high and limit competition. Read full show notes here: https://thecolememo.com/2026/02/10/e259/

In this episode of Body Bangin', I sat down with Sean Preston (Managing Attorney at Coverall Law) and shop owner Brian Bernard (Total Care Accident Repair) to discuss how to bulletproof your collision center against liability and insurance bullying.It is a highly regulated industry, and most shop owners don't know what they don't know until they get served a lawsuit. In this conversation, we break down why your current authorization forms are likely leaving you exposed, why insurers are suing shops (and how to stop them), and the exact strategy Brian is using to ensure he gets paid for every procedure he performs.This episode is a masterclass on moving from "reactive" to "proactive" so you can sleep at night knowing your house is in order.What You'll Learn in This Episode:

Did someone say Liftoff? Ok, well, Jen and Eric don't think so. Heartopia is here, with a dramatic cross-platform launch in 2026, but what does it need to do to monetize? Does Design Home hold the key? Bobby Kotick gets sued by Sweden, with Phil and Eric cosplaying Phoenix Wright and Manfred von Karma. But who is who? Jen explains what the top Roblox charts mean, Phil reflects on the near-silent success of PUB:G, if Krafton should return shareholder money. And a special UA financing guest spot.00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview00:25 Drama with Bobby Kotick and Swedish Pension Fund00:36 Ad Tech Company Liftoff Files for IPO00:59 New Games and Industry Updates01:42 Mini UA Reunion in LA03:21 Corrections and Clarifications04:03 Epic Games and Prize Wheels Controversy08:08 Bobby Kotick's Legal Battles and Activision Sale18:07 Liftoff IPO and Ad Tech Industry Insights25:12 Resident Evil Showcase and Capcom's Future26:21 Roblox Corner: Latest Trends and Stats30:07 Crafton's Strategy and Investments31:30 PUBG's Evolution and Future32:33 Crafton's Mobile Focus and AI Direction38:17 The Role of Reddit in Game Development43:19 Heartopia: The New Cozy Game47:54 Challenges in Monetizing Cozy Games57:24 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

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Patrick Bet-David sits down with billionaire DNC mega donor John Morgan from Morgan and Morgan for a raw, no-filters conversation on his legal battles with Disney, Bill Clinton's ties to Jeffrey Epstein, the Biden administration's cover-up accusations, and his feud with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.------

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After 24 years as a landman, host Brent Broussard finally faced his first deposition—and it opened his eyes to how unprepared most landmen are for litigation. Oil and gas attorneys Lee Carr and Brian Wittpenn share street-smart strategies for avoiding lawsuits, handling depositions, and protecting yourself when litigation becomes inevitable.What You'll LearnWhy avoiding litigation entirely is impossible (and the only foolproof method)Essential documentation practices that can save or sink your caseHow to handle agency disclosure requirements without killing dealsWhat to do immediately when served with a lawsuit or subpoenaCommunication strategies that protect you in adversarial situationsTime Stamps00:57 - Episode & Guest Intro01:37 - Landmen and Lawsuits02:58 - Avoiding Litigation as a Landman05:07 - Contract Disputes and Settlements07:35 - Deposition Costs and Realities09:54 - Ethics and Best Practices11:54 - Agency and Disclosure18:51 - Documentation and Process23:26 - Offers and Counter Offers26:12 - Importance of Termination Dates in Offers28:01 - Handling Legal Trouble: Initial Steps35:09 - Understanding Subpoenas and Document Retention40:41 - Best Practices for Professional Communication42:46 - File Retention47:48 - Episode Takeaways49:38 - Episode OutroSnippets from the Episode"Really, the only foolproof way to not get sued as a landman is to not be a landman. Outside of that, anybody can sue anybody for anything."— Lee Carr"Just a simple deposition—you're clicking off at probably an eight to ten thousand dollar bill leaving there, and then the transcript's going to be $800 to $1,000."— Lee Carr"Dance as if nobody's watching, but text and email as if it'll be read aloud in court one day."— Lee Carr"The best thing is don't ignore it. Litigation's not like a cold that just goes away if you try to ride it out."— Lee CarrKey TakeawaysLitigation avoidance is impossible—focus on risk mitigationClear agency disclosure protects against liability exposureDocument everything but qualify your work product limitationsProfessional communication standards prevent costly mistakesImmediate legal counsel engagement when litigation hitsSubpoena compliance requires understanding jurisdictional limitsFile retention policies must be documented and consistently appliedHelp us improve our podcast! Share your thoughts in our quick survey.⁠ResourcesNeed Help With A Project? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meet With Dudley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Need Help with Staffing? Connect with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dudley Staffing ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Streamline Your Title Process with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dudley Select Title⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch On ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Dudley Land Co. On⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have Questions? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email us⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠More From Our GuestsLee Carr on LinkedInBrian Wittpenn on LinkedInKearney, McWilliams & Davis, PLLC websiteMore from Our HostsConnect with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brent⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on LinkedInConnect with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Khalil ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠on LinkedInConnect With UsReady to protect your land projects with integrated legal and title support? Our Dudley Select Title division works seamlessly with experienced oil and gas counsel to keep your deals on track and defensible. Contact us to learn how our complete energy partnership approach includes the legal expertise that matters when stakes are high.

Bobby and Alex review the new Taylor Swift album, including some reflections on the backlash it's gotten online in such a short period of time. Then, they discuss the playoffs thus far, place Strauss (the helmet sponsor) on the list of Most Evil Jersey Sponsors, and research the origins of tin foil hats. Finally, they're joined by Steve Sladkowski of PUP to discuss his beloved Blue Jays and their exceptional performance thus far against the Yankees in the ALDS.Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Tipping Pitches Patreon ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tipping Pitches merchandise ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Call the Tipping Pitches voicemail: 785-422-5881Tipping Pitches features original music from Steve Sladkowski of PUP.

In this episode, Angela discusses the importance of asset protection planning in today's litigious society. She emphasizes that anyone can be sued, regardless of their wealth, and highlights the need for preventative measures to safeguard one's assets. The episode aims to educate listeners on how to create a holistic asset protection plan to mitigate risks and live life on purpose. Key Takeaways

Episode 136: In this episode of Critical Thinking - Bug Bounty Podcast, Joseph Thacker sits down with Jack Cable to get the scoop on a significant bug in Cluely's desktop application, as well as the resulting drama. They also talk about Jack's background in government cybersecurity initiatives, and the legal risks faced by security researchers.Follow us on twitter at: https://x.com/ctbbpodcastGot any ideas and suggestions? Feel free to send us any feedback here: info@criticalthinkingpodcast.ioShoutout to YTCracker for the awesome intro music!====== Links ======Follow your hosts Rhynorater and Rez0 on Twitter:https://x.com/Rhynoraterhttps://x.com/rez0__====== Ways to Support CTBBPodcast ======Hop on the CTBB Discord at https://ctbb.show/discord!We also do Discord subs at $25, $10, and $5 - premium subscribers get access to private masterclasses, exploits, tools, scripts, un-redacted bug reports, etc.You can also find some hacker swag at https://ctbb.show/merch!Today's Sponsor - ThreatLocker. Checkout ThreatLocker Detect! https://www.criticalthinkingpodcast.io/tl-detectToday's Guest: https://x.com/jackhcable?lang=en====== This Week in Bug Bounty ======Nullcon Berlinhttps://www.yeswehack.com/page/yeswehack-live-hacking-nullcon-berlin-2025?utm_source=sponsor&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=lhe-nullcon-berlinBB Bulletin #15https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bug-bounty-bulletin-15-yes-we-hack-dntue/2x Bounty on Grabhttps://hackerone.com/grab?type=team====== Resources ======Corridorhttps://corridor.dev/disclose.iohttps://disclose.io/====== Timestamps ======(00:00:00) Introduction(00:03:33) Cluely Bug, Government involvement, & Disclosed.io(00:12:33) AI in security & Corridor.dev(00:29:23) Cluely Bug Fallout & Ethics of hacking outside of Programs(00:41:20) Shift Agents

Title: Why Most Capital Raisers Will Get Sued in the Next Crash with Rob Beardsley and Craig McGrouther Summary: In this episode of “Fund Friday,” hosts discuss the innovative solutions offered by Tribe Vest, a pioneering fund-of-funds startup, which is poised to transform the landscape for emerging fund managers, investors, and capital raisers. Guests Travis Smith and Seth Bradley delve into their personal journeys and the genesis of Tribe Vest, highlighting the advantages of adopting a fund-of-funds model that enhances compliance and increases access for numerous accredited investors. They detail how Tribe Vest supports fund managers through its comprehensive services, allowing them to raise capital efficiently while ensuring legal and financial compliance.   The conversation unfolds various industry challenges faced by fund managers, such as the difficulties in connecting accredited investors with good deals and maintaining compliance in the ever-evolving regulatory environment. Smith and Bradley underscore the essence of Tribe Vest, focusing on its operational efficiency—providing essential support like K-1 tax distribution, capital-raising infrastructure, and investor onboarding—all streamlined with technology.   In conclusion, they not only spotlight the competitive pricing and quick service turnaround of Tribe Vest but also express their commitment to fostering a landscape that democratizes access to high-quality investing opportunities while empowering fund managers. Their vision seeks to break down barriers traditionally faced in private investment, paving the way for a more inclusive investment future. Links to Listen and Subscribe: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fund-friday-e49-the-cost-effective-way-to-launch-a/id1511202840?i=1000673582673 https://open.spotify.com/episode/4tLAtXFe3OrqtCwyc7gfBE Links to Watch and Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVgT4GMrPPI&t=70s Bullet Point Highlights: Tribe Vest revolutionizes the fund-of-funds model for emerging fund managers. The connection of accredited investors to high-quality private investment opportunities is crucial yet challenging. Efficient operational support, including compliance and investor onboarding, sets Tribe Vest apart. The need for compliance amid industry scrutiny has shifted sentiment towards fund-of-funds for risk mitigation. Tribe Vest empowers fund managers by providing an institutional-level infrastructure for capital raises. Cost-effective solutions allow fund managers to focus on relationships rather than administrative burdens. Quick setup times (just five days) streamline the capital-raising process for fund managers. Transcript: welcome back to another episode of fund Friday this is going to be a very nutrient dense jam-packed episode with two amazing people we just had the pleasure of connecting with them once more at our Flagship uh summon event in New York City the gentleman behind tribe vest here a cuttingedge fun to fun group VC backed the whole nine this is going to be such an important episode for all you emerging fund managers you Capital raisers Maybe investors who kind of want to know behind the curtain what's going   on and also just from a structural perspective as to how we've been able to scale our business safely and compliantly but with that said let's give a warm introduction to Travis Smith and Seth Bradley how are you both today good craigg good to see you it's been just a few weeks since we were in New York together which was an awesome event glad to be here yeah well there's been a lot of great updates to the product that tribe is offering since our initial conversation we had so I would almost even argue um for the   better Awards you can maybe even scrap that episode for future purposes don't need to look back because we're going to cover that and then some here today so I'm absolutely elated and thrilled to talk about that so let's get right into it and just to start with for some some context because we're gonna just keep it moving forward here how did Seth and Travis and the team have tried best kind of Forge and kind of come together from you know this Alliance from a business perspective yeah tra you want to kick that off man   sure sure and look you can't scrap that first episode because I think it's the first episode yeah like we're in the record books at this time right yeah so yeah no look uh me finding Seth and Seth Finding Me is a big part of our story no doubt really uh in early 2023 we had built out the infrastructure and the technology uh we' even been challenged by our clients to build out the back office where we do all the distributions cap table management uh k1s taxes and um but I hadn't quite figured out the fun to fun portion of this yet   and uh good story you know met Seth Bradley at a a conference in the British Virgin Islands where we were both speaking at the event uh both of our wives were there and uh they hit it off we hit it off and just had a wonderful wonderful week and weekend and um and that was when Seth kind of really opened my eyes to um this opportunity Seth you know how how do you remember it where where you know how how did it go from there yeah well funny enough my my pitch or my speaking engagement was on fund of funds it was   it was teaching the group about fund of funds what is it how can you how can you go from basically a passive investor and and start a business raising capital and and fund of funds is kind of the the next step and at the same time the industry was was pivoting there was uh you know there were Winds of Change so to speak from the the cgp model and people were starting to really take the fun of funds model more seriously and take a deeper look at it and the timing just couldn't be better as Travis was   taking his company and and trying to make it pivot himself into the the syndicator and the fund and the capital raising market and you know originally there was a cgp type of model that was being uh thrown around and actually had a good bit of success Travis right going into uh earlier that year and you know I I we just got into some deeper discussions about where the market is and where it's going and the market was really going to fund to funds and I said' look Travis if you're going to if you're going to take this business to   the next level get ahead of the game like this is where it's going it's going to fun and fund is kind of getting away from the cgp model so if you're going to build a product around that market really should focus in on fun to funds yeah I mean and I'll just go as well just to to piggyback off that timing is so funny there because I think it was roughly around the summer of 2023 when fun to fun was the biggest buzzword in the industry what is a fun of fund how does it work why is this the most compliant way do I need to do it what is   it how does it structure everything included there so we're going to unpack that all there but it sounds like Travis you might have had an additional comment well I was say it really it truly was right place right time for Seth and I to meet you think about leading up to that it was the becc 2023 and there just all these Rumblings with some some bigger names in our industry that were under an investigation for the CP model and that was really how the industry was working with capital Partners at the time and uh   collectively realized that there's got to be a more compliant better way and there I was with a two-thirds of the solution talking to Seth who rep represented the the last third of the solution so really was right place right time and and uh you know we're we're we're so glad to be partnered together and and solving a big problem Big Challenge yeah well and let's get right into that problem so the the problem of the industry so how can someone like loans start Capital safely compliantly bring dollars into our deals from   outside investors fund managers capital allocators and opportunity so what is the industry problem and what are you guys both solving Seth I I'll hand it over to you I think from a big industry problem I mean there's just the age-old you know you have awesome lead sponsors that are working hard finding great deals private deals out there like Lone Star and and then on the other side there's over 20 million accredited investors that want the benefits of private investing they want the the benefits that come with real estate they   want cash flow they want tax advantages uh you know they they want the appreciation all those things that are Why Real Estate so awesome they want to invest with these lead sponsors in these deals but as as we know unless you're kind of in a country club or in the network it's really hard to access those so that's the big problem the big problem is we have great lead sponsors with great deals and then on the other side we have have awesome accredited uh investors looking for those deals meanwhile they can't find each other and   uh they don't know how to access them and so the the industry as a whole you know a big conduit to solving that is this Capital Partner right the fund manager and Seth I'll turn it over to you kind of again maybe start with how the industry was solving it and what the problem was with that right yeah I mean I think you framed it correctly it's it's access we know these these accredited investors are out there there's Millions U maybe tens of millions out there in the United States that um maybe they know it maybe they   don't but they they might want to invest um they need educated they need access to Deals and on the other side you've got uh lead sponsors you've got fund managers you've got Capital aggregators who want to get access to these folks and we work on that in our business every single day about how do we reach these accredited investors um and then we all have our own little networks of people that we can raise capital from and that we know and that they no like and trust us to be able to place their   Capital with us um you know since the jobs act in 2012 which is um what enabled us to start going out and soliciting and advertising um in the public uh for deals and raising capital in that manner and the the problem is that everything's been great since then up until covid right the real estate market has just been going absolutely through the roof so anybody that decided to jump into the the sector during that time had success I mean you could just you know throw paint in a wall and you're G to have success because the   market just really helped us out a lot like you had to make a lot of mistakes operationally um for things to go wrong right I mean you really did you really did um not to not not Lone Star Lone Star is awesome right you're you're absolutely right no you you you hit the hammer on the nail there for sure yeah and it's uh you know until covid hit and we got that little blip and that was just kind of a you know something that you know came and went um but now you've seen in the last year and a half or so   the market has slowed down um you've seen Capital calls you've seen um you know some SEC um interactions with folks and trying to see if Capital was raised correctly things like that um kind of looking into how the market evolved the market evolved beginning with a cgp model um you know initially the C GP model was thought to be compliant and if it executed properly it is compliant if you have all people in a group that are raising capital for their own deal they're all active participants they're   all General Partners they're all executing the business plan and participating in decision-making all good that's an age-old uh way to do business and it's been done for all the time right like you've got Capital you've got people actively participating and all is good but just like anything else you know us entrepreneurs we like to go around the edges and try to pick and choose like oh well can we do this or can we do this let's push the limits and unfortunately the market kind of changed into this this um this thing   where we push the limits too far and we've had 10 15 20 CPS in an active deal where you know really all they're doing is Raising Capital right like we might try to say on paper that this person's doing that and this person's doing investor relations and this person's doing a little bit of underwriting which all may be true true but at the end of the day if the SEC comes in and says let's take a look at your whole business plan plan with this particular asset in this particular offering and see how you   raise capital and who's doing what and they're going to look under the hood and they're going to be able to figure it out they're they're smart people back there they can figure out what you're doing they can figure out that hey this person raised uh $200,000 and got 2% and this person raised $600,000 and got 6% it's pretty easy to put those pieces together um but like I had mentioned before the market you know kind of went our Direction and there were really happy investors nobody was upset nobody   was suing nobody was asking questions and now since the market has changed you've seen the capital calls you've seen the foreclosures you've seen the investors upset um and now that's what Travis was alluding to earlier is there were certain folks in the industry that were um you know getting interviewed by the SEC I don't think anything ever came of it but it was enough for people to be like look we've still got to raise Capital we've still got to do these deals somehow what other way is there to   do it that's more compliant than this cgp model that the industry has turned to and the answer is fun to funds and it's always been fun to funds you know there's people out there that have preached that for years but it's just a little bit you know more nuanced a little bit more complicated a little bit more expensive so people have stayed away from it yeah so exactly and and thank you so much for painting such a Picasso beautiful picture here pertaining to the why before and why now and kind of the context there because I   think so many people are missing that why y component so you beautifully explained that so but then why is the fun of fund the route to do it in because it's pretty similar right and fun of funds to your point have actually been around for really not going to say forever but for a long period of time so just curious to know you know why fun of fun is this the solution from a client's perspective and and things of that nature yeah and we can and Travis jump in here whenever you want but we can kind of go through um with each   stakeholder why why it's compliant why they love funded funds maybe why they don't you know let's talk about the pluses and the minuses um I think we can start with the lead sponsor I mean for the lead sponsor um to me there's there's really no downside and I'd love for somebody to may maybe making a counterargument to that but to me there there's no downside for the lead sponsor themselves right the people that are actually operating buying executing the business plan by them creating a level of Separation through the fund to funds   model and not uh inviting other folks into their deal to raise Capital they're creating they're creating uh risk mitigation and dissipating liability for themselves right and they don't have to worry about bringing people into their business because it's a totally separate offering that the fund manager is going to be putting out there separate from the actual lead sponsors right and and uh another reason why the lead sponsors love it other than it's compliant creates that separation is it's way more uh efficient   way more efficient when you're working with a capital partner and they're the ones that are pulling the fund to fund they might be bringing in five 10 15 20 investors into their fund to fund well uh they can coordinate that from a sales perspective and then also on the ongoing Administration right it's one line on their uh on their cap table right so instead of getting 15 smaller checks you're getting you're getting one big check and it's just way more efficient and way more safer is is Seth said too yeah and your your listeners   are are very educated but just in case there a few out there that are wondering I mean the the fund of fund itself is just an LLC it's just a a group of investors it's a you know somebody managing that which is the fund manager and that LLC or that partnership however you want to structure it legally is actually just a passive investor for the lead sponsor it's just going to be a big aggregated passive investor for the lead sponsor so I just wanted to clarify that yeah and then let's talk about from so   and there's also been some Evolution I hit on that word to start the conversation but before we were partnering or triest was partnering with this a couple handful of lead sponsors but there's been some Evolution so can we talk about how you guys have maybe handpicked and cherry-picked some of the top you know first and- class sponsors and how it worked kind of before and now the new product lines rolling out and how you know why fund managers are loving it and should even love it more moving forward absolutely yeah great great   question and great points here so you know as you mentioned Craig when we were initially rolling this out uh it made sense for us to to cherry pick and go work with uh the lead sponsors with the best track record the best reputation and we're proud to say that you know Lone Star is one of our earliest lead sponsor partners and um and then since then uh really we had almost a requirement where you had to go through one of our our lead sponsor partners and there's good reason for it we'll we'll come back to   that in a second but since if you're lead sponsor and looking to do this on different deals I'm sorry if you're a fund manager and looking to do a fun to fun on different deals working with different lead sponsors you can absolutely work with tribe best so and you think about the benefits of that right what you're what you're able to do is you can control your own brand right you you get to build your own um your your company you're building a business one deal at a time and from your Investor's perspective instead of them   going to one investor portal and then you know going to another deal that has another investor uh portal they can actually all come to one portal uh as you're using tribe vest so um I want to again just point out that fund managers can now uh absolutely work directly with us they don't need a lead sponsor now I will tell you this think about the benefits though you do get when we are partnered with the lead sponsor and lonar is a perfect example of that right lonar has done the work to say look if   you're a capital raiser you get these marketing resources right you get we we'll we'll put together a you know a deck that you can configure um we've thought through all the economic for you so if you're wondering how to communicate the terms and the returns you know lone Stars gone as far as adding it to their their underwriting spreadsheet so you can play with the numbers calculate it and that's a huge deal right and so all these things that a a lead sponsor partner of ours like lonar does just makes it so so much more   seamless when we do engage with the funder manager right we don't have to go back and kind of figure out well what are the economics and and how are you you know doing uh you know commitments from your investors all those types of things so fund manager can absolutely come and work directly with us it's still way more smooth because we already have the offering docks ready we already have the calculator ready we already have marketing materials right all those things are reasons why by working with   one of our lead sponsor Partners just makes the experience that much better for you and your investors yeah and just a little back and for a lot of people who may not be privy to this but if you are a capital allocator specifically that we're talking about in this situation who is looking to work with the loans or capital or a group similar to us your other sponsors there's just some groups that are just not really built or have the infrastructure in place to really streamline the funto fund process I.E and the underwriting   model IE it already been kind of baked in there we've done this before some groups are kind of in Old way of doing things maybe they only do a couple deals a year that's totally fine I'm not saying that's a bad thing but they might have to create a funto fund breakdown economics setup for the double waterfall there where everyone gets paid out the investors get their returns that should be you know similar to what our investors get and then the fund manager needs to figure out his compensation for   his basically part in the opportunity so we have that baked in and we've done this now enough times to know how this is going to look and actually as a matter of fact to go through that process even one step further before we even go to public or live with the opportunity to even start the capital raising those numbers are ironed out those numbers are in place you know what's going on it's not a scramble drill amongst everything else to get your partners going so on and so forth when you do partner and work with us   which is a key benefit to do and solve for one of the most important uh places in the capital raising you know equation which is speed and time so we kind of shrink that time Gap versus other groups when do that or the other people that you work with which is highly crucial there are a lot more groups now that are tailored to the fund of fund but not every group is um so that's the exciting thing and then going back to now being partnered with a fund manager at at the fund manager level as much that's   amazing for a multitude of things number one if you're a capital allocator fund manager we don't see who your investors are because as Travis alluded to it's one check going into our opportunity so you get the shield and Sheltering in that perspective in that equation there so that's number one number two is we're not going to create the other big problem in the business I would say which is Portal fatigue so it's not a big issue it's not the endl be all but you know if you're let's say a alt uh a   big alternative investor guy right guy or gal person what's GNA end up happening let's say if you've got five to 10 sponsors you're probably going to have you know a bunch of different portals to go into but if you work with a couple of capital raisers who only use triest as your back office well that's immensely beneficial because you can just keep your accounts there so I just want to really highlight those two things and if you want to expand on that further please feel free to do so yeah I mean I'll jump in for sure I   mean you know I've got to mention again compliance right like think about you know the fun to fun model where the fund manager is going to create their own business they're going to create their own entity that they're going to manage um that going to administrate and they're going to operate so by doing so yes there are more responsibilities you are running your own business you are taking accountability for you and your investors and your business but uh on the flip side of that is hey the old CP   model you're getting into bed with all these other CPS that you don't even know I mean you may they may be an acquaintance off of social media or you might not even know who they are at all let alone the lead sponsor so if one of those folks does something wrong you guys are all in the same boat like you're not just taking care of yourself but you've got to worry about all the other people that you're in business with and if they do something wrong they're going to put your investment and your past investors um in a bad   situation and let's get to the next idea which is some of the problems that some people have experienced with a fun of fund that I think you guys are really really Cutting Edge on to solve for them so let's just talk about maybe a couple of the problems which I think is you know the expense I think there's a lot of misnomers about how expensive it can be um and also what you kind of solve for it how you bundle and Pat package it together because if you're the typical person that's going to be very expensive   but that's why we love you guys uh the administration burden and then also time so let's T let's just kind of break down those problems there how you see fit accordingly and uh we'll let you take it away again SE I'll let you jump in because you were saying you were just at a conference in uh think that uh maybe rais Masters conference in in San Diego and you the conversations you were having with fund managers once they kind of fully understood what we did and how we did it it really kind of uh popped   for them so anyway I thought since that was fresh i' I'd ask you to to talk about it yeah I think people that have any kind of experience uh raising Capital under when they hear about all the things that we do and for the amount of money that we do it for they are absolutely blown away I think the problem that comes up is that it's a misunderstanding of what we do and what we are so a lot of folks that don't understand will put us in a category of just being an investor portal they'll be like hey triest is like cash flow portal   or like syndication Pro or invest next or one of those and they just kind of lump Us in with them and we're like that's the smallest thing that we do the smallest thing that we do is the investor portal that's that's one of the services that we provide but we provide everything Soup To Nuts I mean from start to finish I mean it includes everything that you could possibly imagine I mean from getting your EI and letter to setting up your LLC to opening your business banking account to doing your legal documents and setting those   up for signatures for your investors and actually onboarding your investors or hurting the cats I was going to say you actually get a account manager to help you on board your investors professionally and uh yeah you mentioned hurting cats that's maybe one of the things that we're the best in the world at is helping hurt cats yeah I think that's something definitely gets so much fun Craig knows about it all too well yeah lot a lot of work lot of uh reaching out to investors lot of questions on hey where how how do we   fill out these form fields on these subscription documents right like where do we sign how do we fill this out what does this mean those things those they they take time they take effort um it's an administrative burden for you and your company and we take that off your hands and then we also Badger the passive investors till they actually send the wire right like a lot of times they get cold feet and you know we prompt them to to send the wire and actually finish their investment all the things that investor relations manager   might do we handle that now there's there's some teamwork involved as well because they're your passive investors but um you know we do the heavy lifting on on that side and then even on the back end we are managing your cap table so we're setting that up for you on our dashboard and actually making distributions to your passive investors now you can log on to your dashboard if you want to and send them out manually when you want how you want and what amounts but if you want us to just take those over pursuant to the terms of your   offering documents we'll handle that as well it's amazing and and the and the taxes yeah I think Craig tax can't forget the taxes yeah the taxes k1s again one K1 comes in from Lone Star uh we we of course at our core the banking and the cap table so we have the ownership percentage makes it easy for us to and our CPAs to create that K1 for each one of the members we distribute it they find it right in their uh document Management on their dashboard and uh literally two days after After we receive the K1 your   investors have the K1 so think about that and I know everybody's going through tax season here yesterday was kind of a a big day uh but it it's um it's a it's amazing that it really speaks to the technology that we have that we can receive the K1 on behalf of the the deal and then create those k1s in two days and distribute them to to the members I was just going to make one last Point Craig you know I think if you think about what we do if you think about an Institutional level group or fund so I think the way   fund managers can think about what we do is we really bring this institutional level uh setup legal Administration so think about a family office all the organization all the administration everything they need to have in place to operate well we bring that down to the individual level so you can have that institutional level Administration and setup as a you know a oneman business and therefore you can you can really build a business and a brand here's the thing one deal at a time you don't have   to go invest tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars you can do this one deal at a time because try best is in the business of of helping you uh launch a capital raising business efficiently amazing so let's get into the next two components which is expense and time so let's talk about time and then we'll bring it home for the the of course the the elephant in the room which is what is this going to cost me so let's get into the time factor and how long it takes to set everything up from Soup To Nuts from Hey I want to   work with the deal to you know funding and things of that nature Seth you want yeah yeah I'll jump in um timing wise you know we are industry leading in that in that as soon as you give us the basic information that you that we need for your fund of fund so you know just simple stuff like what do you want to call your LLC what do you want your preferred return to be what do you want your profit split to be those those things that you're going to make some decisions on as soon as you get those items to us which is in a simple   form that we provide that you fill out and we walk you through that as well we can have your business banking account and your LLC set up in two days and we'll have you ready to raise Capital meaning we're going to have your legal setup we're gonna have your business bank account open all those things done within five business days so that's why you know it's we should emphasize what Travis said there that it's a deal based decision I mean you can come to us with a deal that's already that's already   under contract that that maybe the lead sponsor is already raising for and say hey look I want to raise for this deal but I've only got a few weeks to go that that's plenty of time for us to to jump into action so it's really tough to do that with let's say you know if you came to me and I have my security attorney hat on i' would be like there's there's no way we we've got to get this going weeks before that like you've got to give us some setup time um with triest we've we've got it streamlined   and efficient to the point where five business days you're raising Capital that's incredible and that's just really a big X Factor that should make everyone feel comfortable with the process because you know there's situations just like go out a sponsor level here where hey a capital raiser might have not been able to get an allocation to deal because of the commitments were there and guess what someone Falls up short well now as you know as a sponsor whatever dollar is not coming in you got to make up for that so it's kind of a a   moving moving Target a kind of moving goal post in many respects so it's very nice that five days you're in you're out you're ready to go to the next that is awesome and then the next thought I have there is a capital allocator maybe you were late you're on vacation and there's this great deal that maybe your inbox is flooded and then one they you know peaked your interest and you could get the space into it well hey the deal could be live but you could have a five-day window to get your turntable   going to raise Capital safely and compliantly um in within this structure and infrastructure yeah great great points again I'll just come back to the benefits of working with some of our our lead sponsor partners like Lone Star so you heard Seth say hey as soon as you have all these things in order and you push the tri the tribit button we spring into action and you're ready to go right well you do need to have certain things figured out before you hit that tribit button and again the nice thing of   working with a a group like lonar amongst many other reasons is they have really ironed out the program the fun to fun program so if you're coming through them you already have those things figured out you hand them we get handed off or you get handed off to us and we're you're pushing that button and in five days you're ready to do onboard investors it's incredible that's amazing now the final thing what people have been waiting for what does this cost cuz you have to think for the amazing benefits   and the amazing opportunity you get to raise in this time and environment this has to cost a fortune maybe there's a massive upfront cost you know I'm not going to get into names but some groups charge an arm and a leg to get things set up if you want to do the more Boutique bespoke route where you're doing everything yourself without a name brand in a sense of the the setup you've got to go through the painstaking process of finding a Seth and a Travis and a this and a that to get all your documents ready to go however it's   pretty cost efficient and effective here so let's get into that I'll let Travis speak to our pricing at trivest but I do want to frame it with this when I worked in big law and you know massive Law Firm thousands of attorneys you would come to our law firm and want to put a fund of fund together or you know maybe even a more sophisticated fund but our prices started at $75,000 I think a lot of people out there in the industry are used to seeing kind of oh yeah maybe it costs like $115,000 maybe it cost $12,000 $225,000   on the top end when you get into the big leagues $75,000 to start and that's just your first drafts of your offering documents and then maybe one round of revisions and then we start charging you $1,000 doll plus an hour um to get across the finish line and that is just the legal by itself and guess what you may get there and then some could change a Nuance could happen and guess what you got to start it all over again and make further res revisions and have more billable hours to your incredible   attorney like s uh these people make a lot of money okay so this is a incredible opportunity to be in a very nice spot here where it might be cheaper and to your point there about that dollar fee I'm hearing 25 Grand from certain Services I'm hearing 75k 50k to make it do it yourself and for some people that's great that's fine that fits into their budget but for I would say the most people that are doing this that probably makes it to a point where you're paying to raise capital and that's what we're looking to avoid and   solve with try this so with that said Travis lead us away absolutely no what a great discussion and I teased Seth all all the time about his his industry it is it is it's the establishment right so we're disrupting The Establishment no doubt about it and uh so we just talked about what it would cost kind of going the more traditional routes well we're able to do everything that we just shared with you the setup the legal offering do uh the banking the uh helping of the onboarding setting up the cap table you   know doing the servicing of the filing for you all that for $5,000 so literally say that one more time please $5,000 yes only $5,000 and here's the other thing right when we talk about having the economics of the fun to fund set up and again getting back to the benefits of working with loone star is they've they've figured out the terms and uh even added in all the expenses of tribe vest right so that $5,000 is actually included in those in the economics so it's you don't have to kind of add on additional uh cost it's all in   there right and and you can do that with tri best because it's contained there's there's no creep of cost right and and I think it's also important to call out how we're able to do this is we have made a very firm box of what we're doing of course we've we've tailored it to these deals like to these deals so everything's in there that you need including the compliance includ you know everything we just talked about um but that's how we're able to do that this at scale and TurnKey and done for for you   so it's $5,000 to set up now we could also talk about what's it cost to administer this over five five years six years right most of these business plans are five years before they're exiting you know working with an administrator an Administration uh you know administrator you're talking about $155,000 a year well with tri best it's $2,000 a year remember we're doing all your uh distributions for you your cap table management that includes your k1s your taxes so you know anybody that's done this before they're like   it's more than $2,000 just to do the taxes every year right never mind you get the portal your investors have a a dashboard to see all their Investments and and set up their payout accounts and they get to see when their distributions are how many distributions they've had that's all there and and the distribution so anyway it's you know I think about we we mentioned right right place right time Craig and we've talked about all those things that kind of lined up for us but the industry has been trying to   figure this out and we just like to think that we're a small part of it we're that technology that kind of was the major unlock that kind of opened up the floodgates if you will and um and now our job is to go out there and tell people that this exists like this tool in technology is available for you and you should build a business on it yeah I want to make some other kind of comments and points there so you hear right there so just to summarize that it's $5,000 takes five days and it's you know   roughly $2,000 maybe a little bit more depending on the number of investors you have in the opportunity but all that's fine and dandy but if the product wasn't good that is where the problem is and it's sucks and I mean it sucks to spend money for something to not work well and people's experience that we've worked with have really liked the infrastructure of the product what it solves for because I think I'm someone personally that I am not afraid to spend a dollar I'm very good at spending money   but I like to spend money in areas where it's actually worth the money and I've had very good reviews here from people who have of course used the product so I just want to share that right there and that's kind of been some of the burden with some of the other products out there as well you spend a lot of money for the technology to not be great I mean Travis has a background with tech so inherently having that there to have the infrastructure be supported by a good product is the difference between   coming back and not coming back so I just want to tip the cap there to make it not only a good product but also have people come back to it but um it being cost efficient and effective as well and then the other time factor that I want to speak on is more from a sales perspective being someone that's been in sales by basically my entire career since I was 21 um almost a decade of sales in real estate specifically the last thing that I want to worry about and think about and do is uh had there be a burden of having you know to go   through Administration stuff talking to an attorney doing this doing that doing everything that's not shaking hands and legitimately moving the conversation forward and funding dollars into the account and what tribe best solves for is a cost- effective route with good technology and done quickly where you don't have to think about any admin stuff I want to connect with people I want to talk with people I want to grow the relationships and raise the capital I do not want to deal with in the your   view and the peripheral stuff and I'm sure you guys can appreciate that sentiment and also I've had people say similar things as well it means a ton to hear you say that of course that's we're building our business on fund managers coming back and building their business on our platform so um you know it's funny as as the founder and you know always improving and growing uh the the the the business and our solution We're Never Satisfied and um we always think we're disappointing in terms of the experience   or and we can be doing this better and we can right and we will but when we get feedback and we we do net promoter scores and get the feedback back from the fund managers and we get you know seven plus you know would you recommend this to friends and family and would you come back and that's just a super high rating if anybody's familiar with it and um and we're we're we're proud of that but we are just getting started I mean we are just getting started so I think we nailed the fact that we bring a ton   of value you know you're getting a good value uh but now we're going to really wow you and your investors that's our goal and uh we're going to keep pushing yeah so let's talk into maybe just the mission as the why you know why you guys are so passionate about this and want to create this product because you both are really smart guys you're very successful prior to this endeavor and Venture so you know why is this your mission and in your day to-day right now because you have the option of working so and doing   really what you want to do so let's talk about that maybe man that's Travis that's you again buddy you're the you're the big picture guy bring it oh man no look I think Seth and I this is personal for both of us right um my brothers and I wanted to get into real estate we didn't come from a real estate family you didn't get it you know that education in in school and we did what you know we've been doing since the beginning which is you know you come together with your tribe when you need to figure something out and that's what   we did and we we we started a a a tribe pulled our capital and started investing together and it changed our lives and it changed the trajectory of our of our family's Financial lives and um and that's why we're doing it um you know by doing this the fund managers right they're they're the they're the heroes in this movie the fund managers are the heroes in this movie that's how millions of investors are going to get access to these deals like the wealthy right we all know why we love real estate it it's   it appreciates it cash flow there's tax advantages you you name it there's a reason why the wealthy invest in these private deals these private real estate deals well most people don't have access to it the conduit to getting into those deals are you are the fund managers are those Capital raisers we're just happy that we're providing a tool for them that makes it easy that makes it easy but as you can tell we're passionate about it Seth I mean he he was a capital Riser right Seth's done a lot he's an   entrepreneur but he knows how hard it is to be a capital Riser and uh maybe you could talk a little bit about what what's motivating you s yeah I mean just quickly you know I took the the Bigger Pockets route so to speak you know read Rich Dad Poor Dad startlist to the Bigger Pockets podcast did a house hacked into a duplex and then started buying single family properties fixing flips and then started investing you're a grinder grinder just level by level by level right um started investing passively in deals when I   became a little bit more sophisticated um and then I was like okay now what now I want to be on the active side and at that point I really wanted to switch over to not practicing law whatsoever I was like screw this I'm leaving Big law I'm not doing this anymore I'm only going to invest in real estate um but then kind of along the the Journey of becoming an active investor and a syndicator and capital Riser I realized that my highest and best use is actually still as a Securities attorney and I'm   pretty good at it so I've kind of integrated that into my real estate business and and use that to um uh join join triest which is at the Forefront of I think perfect timing in this industry right like real estate and legal are two industries that just move extremely slow they're dinosaurs they don't want change and they're resistant to any kind of change right so we've got to as entrepreneurs even if we're fund managers or passive investors that are looking to um diversify our assets or lead sponsors we're the ones that have   to propel this forward and say hey we've got technology now behind us we've got all these different tools and ways to do things we need to take advantage of that and at Tri bestest we're building that so like what we are today is going to be completely different than what we are in q1 2025 and Beyond we are we are constantly building taking in feedback from all of our stakeholders and and and looking to take over the market I love it well then let's just real quickly go back into this we've kind of touched on   it but maybe just more specifically how you do work with everyone from lead sponsors fund managers and I know you're obviously always going to conferences and masterminds you're very accessible in many respects but let's just get into you know how you work with everyone once more just to maybe spoon feed everyone a little bit more information yeah absolutely so the lead sponsor uh we help them form their funto fun program right and that's a huge Advantage for them uh that they can offer a turnkey   funto fund program to their Capital Partners their their Capital raisers their fund managers and we'll we'll actually sit down and talk about all the things that you need to do for that to be successful you know how are you going to work with the fund manager um economics we talked about that you got to build in the fun to fun economics into your underwriting you know uh how are you how are you going to give them access to the marketing tools those types of things and really the the blueprint is is um you know is Lone Star   so lone Stars uh leading the way as they do in most things out there and have built just an awesome fun to fun program and that's why so many fun to fun managers are working with them but um you know that's how we work with the the uh the lead sponsors and we talked about all the benefits of that cool and then go ahead Seth on the are any questions there Craig no I think that that was really well said um kind of building out the blueprint that many people don't have and just how it works and pertains   to us if you are a capital allocator you kind of have understanding of the deal functions and then there's a additional level there of of underwriting materials so you can raise Capital so you understand the ever important what's in it for me conversation you can assess your opportunity cost between us and other sponsor if you're looking at other deals and whatnot I'll tell you this right now I'll say it again and again again we under promise and overd deliver that's kind of the the Mantra that we   try to have here like everything we're probably never going to show you the highest Returns on projections um we like to beat our deals up as much as possible prior to going live because it doesn't serve us nor you the investors to see what the best case scenario is um we try to make it as modest as possible with our assumptions so you know we have our infrastructure for what the deal looks like from an underwriting perspective what your theoretical compensation could look like so these are things are just very important to   think about uh we want basically everyone to be at parody what do I mean by that well if you're a capital raiser looking to raise for our deals we want your investor returns and our investor returns to look very similar they're going to vary ever so slightly because there's a slight drag you know for the fees Associated to the deal what do I mean by that well there's the administration fees that could be about $2,000 so sometimes that by comes by way of affecting the cash on cash return minuscule from a couple you know basis   points I would say roughly about the what looks like but you'll make it on the back end for the lift and raise of the deal there when the deal goes to sell so it's never going to be 100% similar because there are some you know technical nuances there but it is to be fair to everyone there and then you'll be getting you know a nice return on the deal that you raise for as well should there be profit split um above the preferred return so I just think that's a really important thing to hit on as to   how that fundamentally works now let's get into Seth with you over there on fund managers yeah fund managers we kind of touched on it already but you know we' we've changed our business so we're ready to work with fund managers directly um you know you can reach out to us and have an exploratory call if you want but really when you have a deal or you have a lead sponsor that you're ready to to work with that's really when we can spring into action um make that introduction reach out to us make the   introduction to the lead sponsor we can start going to work and again we can have you uh once we have the the information and and the things that we need from all the stakeholders we can have you up and running in five days and you know I'll just go ahead and talk about the passive investors too because they are really important maybe the most important I know a lot of those folks are are listening right now and just know that that's on our that's always on our road map to make the passive investors happy to make that user   experience awesome and streamlined and um you know just just an awesome experience for that passive investor because ultimately that's who we're serving we're trying to reach the passive investors let them get their money moving and so they can uh create multiple streams of income and we want to make that experience awesome for them because if they're happy then the fund managers are happy and the lead sponsors are happy too yeah there's two things that this show is about it's about the for this particular episode two things   it is the fund manager to be safely raising money in an everchanging business business and it is all about at the end of the day the investor the investor is the straw that stirs the drink they are the king of the beach so to speak they're the ones that this is all about for us to be able to give people who may not know that they can invest in those beautiful commercial real estate buildings that we drive by all the time you know it's sad to think that you know that's not in the hands of Main Street so to speak you know a   $50,000 investment gives you access uh to that product type now I'm not saying that's where every dollar should be you should have money probably in the stock market maybe you should have some money in your primary residence maybe you don't believe that mattra but you should have also some money in these institutional grade ACC or assets and that's what we're delivering here and it's so fun to be in a conversation with you both because you guys really are creating and are the future so it's cool   to be in in the moment to be having the conversation now but to be also progressing accordingly with with you all moving forward we just appreciate the partnership there's a reason why when we were cherry picking our initial lead sponsors that we we started to work with lonar and uh just you know couldn't couldn't tell you couldn't tell you how much we appreciate uh this partnership and and like you looking forward to what's to come in the future here yeah well with that said we could talk forever but we got to wrap it up at some   point so let's do that now Travis and sth thank you so much for giving us so much of your time here being generous how can people reach out with you want to learn more with maybe partnering at a sponsor level investor level and or a uh fund manager level absolutely LinkedIn is always the best place to kind of find me and follow me let me know you you heard me on this show I'd love to connect with you and uh and then you can email me and we'll also have a link on the show notes Here If that's uh if that's uh okay yeah of   course you can check out trib vest.com obviously and then for me you can find me all over any social media platform so feel free to reach out excellent well gentlemen thank you so much for your time today for those listening I hope you enjoyed this informative conversation about how the industry is moving and grooving and Ever Changing uh so we'll see you next week everyone have a great rest of your day peace Links from the Show and Guest Info and Links: 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Join SP3, Miss Krssi Luv, Tru Draw Josh & special guest Lyric for an all-new edition of our flagship podcast Tru Heel Heat 334 discussing the latest wrestling news including: 0;00 intro 5:57 Lyric is back 16:11 AEW Grand Slam Mexico 41:36 Mercedes Mone wins 6th belt, her influence, legacy & relationship w/Beast Mortos 1:18:27 Mercedes Mone/Athena plans for AEW All In Texas, Mariah May leaving changes? 1:32:40 Lyric outro 1:34:12 Jon Moxley & AEW get sued; Eddie Kingston, Britt Baker, Jack Perry & Bryan Danielson updates; AEW in Arena Mexico news & notes 1:52:18 CMLL Vs. AEW/ROH & ROH TV 1:55:35 NJPW Dominion, G1 Climax 35 lineup, STARDOM The Conversion 2:03:40 WWE SmackDown & John Cena's pipebomb on CM Punk 2:22:21 SmackDown going back to 2 hours, LA Knight to Raw, WWE issues w/American Gladiators & Happy Gilmore 2 2:29:16 WWE Raw on Netflix & Liv Morgan's injury causes changes 2:37:55 Goldberg's last match, Damage CTRL done, Seth Rollins music & faction changes? 2:46:30 WWE NXT & Evolve, Gail Kim backstage, Jordynne Grace new theme song & other news notes 2:55:56 TNA IMPACT & Elijah injured 2:59:30 Best, Worst, Moment & Matches of the Week 3:10:48 WWE Night of Champions final predictions Leave your thoughts on this podcast in the live chat and comments section. Like, share, superchat and subscribe to support! #JohnCena #WWE #AEW #AEWGrandSlamMexico #MercedesMone #BeastMortos #CMLL #ROH #NJPW #njdominion #HouseofTorture #Goldberg #LivMorgan #CMPunk Welcome to the Tru Heel Heat Wrestling YouTube channel where we cover  the sport of professional wrestling including all WWE TV shows (Raw,  Smackdown, & NXT), AEW Dynamite/Dark, IMPACT Wrestling, NJPW, ROH,  Dark Side of the Ring and more. Our weekly podcast hosted by SP3, Top  Guy JJ & Miss Krssi Luv breaking down the weekly wrestling news and  present unfiltered, honest thoughts and opinions for wrestling fans by  wrestling fans, drops every Saturday. We also include PPV reviews,  countdowns, and exclusive interviews with wrestlers from all promotions  hosted by a wide range of personalities such as Romeo, Chris G, Ness,  StatKing, Drunk Guy JJ, J-News and more. Subscribe and enable ALL  notifications to stay posted for the latest wrestling WWE news,  highlights, commentary, updates and more.Become a member of Tru Heels Facebook community: www.facebook.com/groups/1336177103130224/Subscribe to Tru Heel Heat on YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UC0AmFQmsRyQYPKyRm5hDwNgFollow Tru Heels on Twitter: twitter.com/truheelheatFollow Tru Heels on Instagram: www.instagram.com/truheelheat/Music composed by JPM

Support our sponsor this week by using the link below for the exclusive Solomonster offer!FACTOR FORM - Start your day right with Daily Greens by Factor Form at http://www.factor75.com/solomonster to get 40 PERCENT OFF off plus FREE shipping on your first order!Solomonster is BACK talking the status of WWE Night of Champions, plus predictions for the show including your next KING and QUEEN of the Ring... John Cena delivers a pipebomb parody for CM Punk... Smackdown likely returning to two hours soon and addressing the CRITICISM of such a move... Vince McMahon believed to be ending up back in pro wrestling... Goldberg's very lazy return... Liv Morgan's freak injury derails major plans... Jon Moxley and AEW hit with a lawsuit for negligence and assault... Tony Khan makes questionable comments about AEW ratings... health updates on Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair... and YOUR QUESTIONS on Seth Rollins cashing in MITB for the TNA title, Paul Heyman in the WWF as Bobby Heenan's protege and are the women more over than the men in WWE?***Follow Solomonster on X (formerly Twitter) for news and opinion:http://x.com/solomonsterSubscribe to the Solomonster Sounds Off on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSolomonster?sub_confirmation=1Become a Solomonster Sounds Off Channel Member:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9jcg7mk93fGNqWPMfl_Aig/join

What started as a simple favor - answering a CEO's question - turned into a writing gig, then a speaking opportunity, and ultimately a thriving consultancy. With roots in a family of General Motors workers and a background in psychology and employment law, Diane Faulkner, Founder of Human Resources, Made Easy, has become a trusted partner for small businesses navigating the complexities of people management. Unlike the scripted responses of corporate HR hotlines, Diane brings something refreshingly different: decades of hands-on HR expertise, empathy grounded in real-world experience, and a sharp eye for compliance. In a wide-ranging discussion on the A Better HR Business podcast, Diane and I talked about: ✅ Her journey from corporate HR executive to founder of Human Resources Made Easy, and what it really takes to go independent. ✅ How writing and public speaking became powerful tools to grow her consulting business. ✅ The most common HR compliance misconceptions small business owners face. ✅ Why tasks like I-9 audits, employee handbooks, and contractor classifications often trip up small businesses. ✅ How Diane's hands-on experience sets her apart from larger, impersonal HR call centers. ✅ The role of networking (both in-person and on LinkedIn) and content creation in building a client base. ✅ Her book “Don't Get Sued, Get Smart” and the critical HR laws small business owners often don't know they don't know. ✅ And much more! You can find the podcast discussion on the Get More HR Clients website. You can also find the 'A Better HR Business' podcast on all the main podcast players, including Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Feel free to tag in or share the show with any friends who are busy growing an HR-related business (recruitment, employee engagement, diversity & inclusion, HR admin, etc). Website: www.humanresourcesmadeeasy.com and www.fullcirclepress.net LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/diane-faulkner-freelance-writer-hr-tech-editor-health-book-ghostwriter/ For show notes and to see details of our previous guests, check out the podcast page here: www.GetMoreHRClients.com/Podcast  HR BUSINESS GROWTH RESOURCES Get the new book - Grow A Successful HR Business Your Way Consulting Services For HR Software And Consulting Firms: Consulting Services. VISIT GET MORE HR CLIENTS Want more clients for your HR-related consultancy or HR Tech business? Visit the Get More HR Clients website for articles, newsletters, podcasts, videos, resources, and more.

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Pay or Get Sued: How I Learned Payroll Law the Hard Way

On this podcast, Jerry shares exactly what wholesalers need to do to avoid getting sued, fined or possible go to jail!FREE Purchase & Sale and Assignment Contracts:http://WholesalerContracts.comThis podcast was originally released on YouTube. Check out Jerry Norton's YouTube channel, with over 2,700 videos on all things wholesaling and flipping!  https://www.youtube.com/c/FlippingMasteryTVAbout Jerry Norton Jerry Norton went from digging holes for minimum wage in his mid 20's to becoming a millionaire by the age of 30. Today he's the nation's leading expert on flipping houses and has taught thousands of people how to live their dream lifestyle through real estate.    **NOTE: To Download any of Jerry's FREE training, tools, or resources… Click on the link provided and enter your email. The download is automatically emailed to you. If you don't see it, check your junk/spam folder, in case your email provider put it there. If you still don't see it, contact our support at: support@flippingmastery.com or (888) 958-3028.Get Access to Unlimited Free Property Searches and Downloads: https://flippingmastery.com/propwireWholesaling & House Flipping Software: https://flippingmastery.com/flipsterpodMake $10,000 Finding Deals: https://flippingmastery.com/10kpodGet 100% funding for your deals: https://flippingmastery.com/fspodMentoring Program: https://flippingmastery.com/ftpodFREE 8 Week Training Program: https://flippingmastery.com/8wpodGet Paid $8700 To Find Vacant Lots For Jerry: https://flippingmastery.com/lfpodFREE 30 Day Quickstart Kit https://flippingmastery.com/qkpodFREE Virtual Wholesaling Kit: https://flippingmastery.com/vfpodFREE On-Market Deal Finder Tool: https://flippingmastery.com/dcpodFREE Wholesaler Contracts: https://flippingmastery.com/wcpodFREE Comp Tool: https://flippingmastery.com/compodFREE Funding Kit: https://flippingmastery.com/fkpodFREE Agent Offer Sheet & Scripts: https://flippingmastery.com/aspodFREE Cash Buyer Scripts: https://flippingmastery.com/cbspodFREE Best Selling Wholesaling Ebook: https://flippingmastery.com/ebookpodFREE Best Selling Fix and Flip Ebook: https://flippingmastery.com/ebpodFREE Rehab Checklist: https://flippingmastery.com/rehabpod LET'S CONNECT! FACEBOOK http://www.Facebook.com/flippingmastery INSTAGRAM http://www.instagram.com/flippingmastery

As a Coach we can sometimes find ourselves giving sooo much, that it doesn't even occur to us the legitious environment we live in.  So today I had a chance to catch up with Fractional General Counsel Jon Hood and get some practical legal tips and tricks.

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What if the Razorbacks and the Tennessee Football Volunteers take on the Iamaleava family by targeting Madden and Nico? The Dave Hooker Show. Represented by Banks and Jones. Tennessee's Trial Attorneys. Play to win. Why settle? Banks and Jones, led by T. Scott Jones. https://www.banksandjones.com/Live from the Ted Russell Ford/Lincoln Studio. Ted Russell/Ford Lincoln is your home for the finest vehicles in Knoxville. New and used. East Tennessee's largest Ford and Lincoln Volume dealerBrainerd Golf Course and Brown Acres Golf Course Golf Chattanooga's best public courses. Tee times available! Just click below. https://secure.east.prophetservices.c...Campbell, Cunningham, Taylor and Haun. Life is better when you see better!!! http://www.ccteyes.comChattanooga MortgageCongratulations! Your home search just got easier. Buying a home in Chattanooga has never been easier. https://chattmortgage.com/ City Heating and Air 50 years in East Tennessee. Integrity Matters! http://www.cityheatandair.comCommercial BankCommercial Bank. Member FDIC. Life. Made Better. https://www.cbtn.com/Double D Piping Fire Protection Contractors Providing around-the-clock service, protecting our customers' lives and properties at all times.https://doubledpiping.com/Dynasty Pools and SpasThe best spas right here in Athens. The best chemicals for your pool and spa. Right here in Athens. Stop by, mention Off The Hook Sports and get a free OTH prize and $500 off!Hemp HouseThe premier hemp dispensary online with a wide variety, great selection and strict standards. https://hemphousechatt.com/ Use promo code "HOOKED" for 10-percent off.HoundDogs of KnoxvilleChampions look good in Orange! https://hdknoxville.com/Joe Neubert Collision CenterFor nearly 50 years, Neubert Collision Center has been East Tennessee's best choice for quality repair work and fantastic customer service. https://www.joeneubertcollision.com/ National Fitness Center Unmatched value. Limitless options. Begin your fitness journey today! https://nfc1.com/Peak IV HydrationIn South Knoxville and Sevierville. Live your life to the fullest. Hydrate, rejuvenate, and elevate your health with Peak IV Hydration. https://www.peakivhydration.com/Quality Tire Pros Serving Chattanooga community since 1957. All major brands of tires. Full Service Automotive. Brake, Alignments, Oil Changes and more. https://www.qualitytirepros.com/ Say OTH said “Hey Bo!”Rick Terry Jewelry DesignsWe want to be your Jeweler! Looking for affordable game-day jewelry. A Tennessee tradition. https://rickterryjewelry.com/Sports TreasuresCarrying Over 5-million Sports Treasures….and so much more! Follow on Facebook for the best sports memorabilia. Daily updates! https://www.facebook.com/SportsTreasuresTnTri-Star HatsFor the latest in Tri-Star Hats, go to the original. Hats, apparel and more!!! http://www.tristarhatsco.comThe UPS Store Hardin Valley Helping individuals and small businesses. Wide range of products and services. Locally owned and operated.https://locations.theupsstore.com/tn/knoxville/10629-hardin-valley-rdWorkTrux They are all about trucks. Right truck. Right place. Right time. https://worktruxllc.com/Workout Anytime Offers affordable fitness with high-quality equipment whenever you want it. Fitness that fits your life means there's no excuse, just results. https://workoutanytime.com/ooltewah/

Let's talk about how I'm using AI in my business and my personal life to make things easier without losing the heart, ethics, or human-centered focus of my work. I'm sharing the tools I use, the workflows that save me HOURS each week, and some surprising ways AI has helped me make decisions, manage my health, and even stay emotionally regulated.If you've been feeling weird about using AI or wondering how to do it without turning into a walking ChatGPT regurgitator...Tune in for:How I use AI to turn longform content (like client calls or podcasts) into social-ready content Why it's my secret weapon for remembering client details and cutting down on call prepThe surprising way I use AI to help me stay on track with health goalsHow ChatGPT helps me rewrite emotionally-charged emails so I can respond with clarityWhy I believe you can (and should) use AI and still be an ethical, values-driven human (with a healthy dose of skepticism)Links Mentioned:Sign up for our upcoming free training "How Not to Get Sued" https://the-paradigm.com/how-not-to-get-sued Take Our HR Self-Assessment: https://the-paradigm.com/hr-self-assessment Last week's convo with Sam VanderWielen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-106-how-to-grow-without-losing-yourself-with-sam/id1661939979?i=1000703739144

On today's Wholesale Hotline Podcast (Special Saturday Edition), we help you start your weekend right offering tips, news and mindset advice. Show notes -- in these episodes we cover: Tips to level up your wholesaling business. Motivation to keep you going on your real estate journey.  The latest industry news to keep you updated.    Please give us a rating and let us know how we are doing! ➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖  ☎️ Welcome to Wholesale Hotline & Flipping Mastery Breakout! ☎️ Jerry Norton went from digging holes for minimum wage in his mid 20's to becoming a millionaire by the age of 30. Today he's the nation's leading expert on flipping houses and has taught thousands of people how to live their dream lifestyle through real estate.   **NOTE: To Download any of Jerry's FREE training, tools, or resources… Click on the link provided and enter your email. The download is automatically emailed to you. If you don't see it, check your junk/spam folder, in case your email provider put it there. If you still don't see it, contact our support at: support@flippingmastery.com or 888) 958-3028.  ➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖  

Funeral Home and Cemetery are gonna get SUED BIG TIME for this!

CORE CPD ALERT!

Podcast Guest: Mark BassingthwaighteEmail Address: mbass@alpsinsurance.comWebsite: https://www.alpsinsurance.com/Blog: https://www.alpsinsurance.com/blogCLE Catalog: https://alps.ce21.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alpscorporation/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alpsinsurance/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/3966272/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ALPSCorporation

Today's show is a small module in our Action Academy Onboarding Series!Want To Quit Your Job In The Next 6-18 Months Through Buying Commercial Real Estate & Small Businesses?

Terrifier month is coming to a close with special guest Michael Leavy! He'll chat with Danielle & Scout about DIY filmmaking, utilizing beloved public domain properties, and the production of the Terrifier franchise. So go watch Stream and get ready for Screamboat in theaters in April! Use the link below to sign up for a special Screambox promotion and check out Terrifier 3! https://www.screambox.com/offers/artsfriends Check out the video version of this podcast on PATREON! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a big one - what happens when we receive a malpractice claim? Medicine is a challenging field with high stakes. We all know colleagues who have been in this situation.I'm thrilled to welcome Dr. Todd Watkins, associate CEO of the CMPA (Canadian Medical Protective Association) for a 101 on what to do & what to expect if we get sued.Discussion Points:Dr. Watkins' intro (2:18)What is the CMPA (3:05)How would you hear about a case against you? (6:02)What information is on a statement of claim (8:02)Timelines for a valid malpractice claim (10:30)Knowledge of events vs cause of action (12:30)What should you do when you get a claim? (16:45)How the CMPA offers support during this time (19:47)Are the lawyers internal or external? (21:13)Can one pick their own lawyer? (21:53)Who covers all the legal fees? (22:38)Occurrence based protection & alternatives (23:03)The key elements of the pre-trial process (25:27)Expert witnesses (27:11)Mediation (29:53)Key data points, what % of cases go to trial (31:39)What happens behind the scenes at the CMPA (34:37)Court set up (35:57)Financial damages - who pays? (37:28)Appeals (38:40)Dues (39:32)Residents/trainees - can they be implicated of malpractice (41:05)Closing thoughts (43:00)CMPA: https://www.cmpa-acpm.ca/en/home1-800-267-6522Yatin:Email: beyondmdpodcast@gmail.com LinkedIn: Yatin Chadha

E95 | Building exhibitions is a VERY high pressure environment and can come at a cost!! In our first episode of 2025, Mark sits down with exhibitions builder/carpenter Greg of 'buildandbesceneuk' to chat about all things construction, building exhibitions stands, music, social media and deadlines. Initially, Greg studied Forensic Psychology at university, but his real passion was building things and beinf hands on. He found himself building sets and stages for major sporting events around the globe, such as the Fifa World Cup, The UEFA Championship, and the Olympics. Greg goes into detail about what it takes to survive in such a demanding industry, including 20 hour work days, early morning starts, and emergency call-outs in the middle of the night. And Mark sings Gregs praises with his refreshing take on social media and calls him "The Colin Furze of Carpentry" #carpentry #construction #tradesman Guest this week: Greg @buildandbesceneuk (Insta) Host: Mark @MJTiffPlumbing ⭐ Supported by Tradify | https://tradifyhq.com/ | @TradifyHQ

In this episode, we ask: How compliant was Mark toward Dave Ramsey's rules? Have you heard Episode 323? What about Pamela Yellen's BankonYourself.com website update? What advice did Dave give Thomas? Why do so many viewers confuse Dave Ramsey for a financial advisor? Did Dave do a thorough needs analysis on Thomas's situation? Is Dave's claim that...

Anik Singal was sued by the FTC for $15m all because of four simple words in his call script. We brought Anik on the podcast to talk about compliant marketing and how marketers, agencies, and coaches all over the world are violating FTC rules and are in danger of being sued.In preparation for this interview, Jake read Anik's book that he co-authored with his partner and compliance lawyer, Greg Christiansen, "Don't Say That!". Jake references parts in the book that blew his mind and has Anik elaborate on them extending those examples to the agency and coaching spaces.Some of the crazy things we learned:You can't use results-based testimonials in marketing without substantiating them.Videos with fancy cars and money guns create negative net impressions and can be violating FTC rules.If you say something is of a certain value, you have to prove it... with past sales.We learned a ton more and now are taking a hard second look at our marketing.----------------------------------Anik Singal is the founder of Lurn, an online education platform. Following the lawsuit and FTC investigation covered in the podcast, he co-created Complily, an AI-powered compliance tool that helps marketers ensure their materials meet FTC standards.Anik also co-authored the book "Don't Say That!", which serves as a guide for marketers to keep them out of trouble with the FTC regarding rules they probably didn't know existed! His experiences have made him a vocal advocate for compliant marketing practices.Check out Anik's AI-powered marketing compliance software, Complily:complily.comAlso, take a look at the resources and book on Anik and Greg's site dontsaythat.com----------------------------------Our recommended agency tools:everbrospodcast.com/recommended-tools/----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, subscribe to us on YouTube, or connect with us on socials:YouTube: @agencyuTwitter/X: @theagency_uLinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/agencyuFacebook: facebook.com/theagencyuInstagram: @theagencyuReddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @agency.u

JTFoxx.com/links to get funded, partner in deals, get branded or free advice. Click on link. This is an interview with Gary Brecka who sued Grant Cardin, Brandon Dawson & Elena Cardone for 100 million. Shocking details inside.

Join us for the final episode of Holiday Favorites' month where we discuss Guido's pick of The Long Kiss Goodnight and answer questions like:Does Geena Davis really like baseball?Are they barnacle teeth?andIs it Timothy or Timothee?Learn all about Quad Pro Quo at: https://linktr.ee/quadproquopod

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IntroductionLIVE from your ESG corn maze, it's a Business Pants Friday Show here at October 25th Studios, featuring all your favorites: AnalystHole-man Matt Moscardi. On today's weekly wrap up: McDonald's investor relations team hires entire writing staff from The Onion, an accelerated retirement at Southwest, Denny's is saving lives, and a shout-out to Mr. CorpGovOur show today is being sponsored by Free Float Analytics, the only platform measuring board power, connections, and performance for FREE.Story of the Week (DR):McDonald's strange week: DR MMTrumpMcDonald's is distancing itself from Donald Trump after a high-profile visit to the fryerWe don't support presidentsRead McDonald's memo about Trump's controversial visit: 'We are not red or blue – we are golden'E. coli outbreak/quarter pounder/onionsE. coli outbreak tied to McDonald's Quarter Pounder kills 1, sickens dozens in USTaco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut, Burger King pull onions amid McDonald's outbreakA much bigger McDonald's lawsuit is about to ‘erupt' in the aftermath of its E. coli outbreak, food safety lawyer saysCDC told McDonald's about potential E. coli outbreak late last weekFDA probing McDonald's supplier Taylor Farms as source of E. Coli outbreak, CNBC reportsDEI failure? According to comparably.com, only 2 of Taylor Farms leadership team of 16 are women. So I guess Vivek would agree that it was the men? Former Abercrombie CEO Mike Jeffries charged with sex trafficking, interstate prostitutionSouthwest chairman will 'accelerate retirement' and step down next week, as board appoints 6Disney to name CEO Bob Iger's replacement in 2026, taps Morgan Stanley's Gorman as chairBoeing strike drags on as latest deal is rejected by 64% of unionGoodliest of the Week (MM/DR):DR: Apple CEO Tim Cook's Other Job: Helping Nike Turn Things AroundDR: Denny's to close 150 restaurants, will reduce menuMM: McDonald's linked to E. coli outbreak, CDC saysTrump just served them!MM: SEC Fines WisdomTree $4 Million for Investing in Fossil Fuels and Tobacco in ESG Funds DR MMAssholiest of the Week (MM):Southwest and activist investor Elliott strike deal to keep CEO Bob Jordan, add six new directorsLook how we have to coddle these fucking directors - the six directors leaving Southwest will be gone by November 1, but Gary Kelly, who has sat on this board and let it languish for THREE DECADES will still get to linger at the back of the conference room as “Chair Emeritus”In: David Cush, Sarah Feinberg, Dave Grissen, Gregg Saretsky and Patricia Watson plus Pierre Breber, who was already addedWe have Grissen, Saretsky, Watson, and Breber in our dataAverage earnings: 413Average TSR: 389Out: Biegler, Biggins, Blunt, Cunningham, Gilligan, and SoltauAverage earnings: 356Average TSR: 371Survivors: Doug Brooks, Ed Conrado, Bob Fornaro, Rakesh Gangwal, David Hess, Elaine Mendoza, Chris Reynolds, and Lisa AthertonAverage earnings: 379Average TSR: 500Replacement skills:Energy/oil (Biegler) for energy/oil (Breber)Government (Blunt) for government regulator (Feinberg)TWO professors (Cunningham, Gilligan) for TWO airlines (Cush, Saretsky)Bankrupt retail (Soltau) for mediocre hotel (Grissen)Bank (Biggins) for Bank tech (Watson)Jordan staysThis is the big win??? Replacing mediocre with mediocre, keeping Kelly napping in the background, and Jordan, a lifer alongside Kelly, keeps his job? That's a WIN?Teen Dies by Suicide After Becoming Obsessed With AI Chatbot150m raised at a 1bn valuationAndreesen anchoredTechno Optimist Manifesto:We believe Artificial Intelligence can save lives – if we let it. Medicine, among many other fields, is in the stone age compared to what we can achieve with joined human and machine intelligence working on new cures. There are scores of common causes of death that can be fixed with AI, from car crashes to pandemics to wartime friendly fire.We believe any deceleration of AI will cost lives. Deaths that were preventable by the AI that was prevented from existing is a form of murder.Our present society has been subjected to a mass demoralization campaign for six decades – against technology and against life – under varying names like “existential risk”, “sustainability”, “ESG”, “Sustainable Development Goals”, “social responsibility”, “stakeholder capitalism”, “Precautionary Principle”, “trust and safety”, “tech ethics”, “risk management”, “de-growth”, “the limits of growth”.Accountability and oversight: noneOpenAI disbands another safety team, head advisor for 'AGI Readiness' resignsMeta Oversight Board seriously concerned about Facebook's ‘overenforcement' of Harris-Walz nipple postWhining Boeing InvestorsLawsuit Against Boeing's Board Seeks Accountability for Safety FailuresOhio AG Dave Yost on behalf of Ohio Public Employees Retirement System and the State Teachers Retirement System of OhioThe lawsuit contends that board members and senior management know about the ongoing unsafe practices but even today fail to address them, choosing instead to prioritize profits over safety and regulatory compliance.“The failure of Boeing's directors and officers to implement and oversee Boeing's safety and compliance functions in good faith led to incalculable damage to Boeing's relationships with its regulators, customers, lenders, potential employees, and the flying public,” the lawsuit says.Congrats on the lawsuit! Also, the 2024 proxy vote by OPERS:Headliniest of the WeekDR: Microsoft CEO Nadella asked for pay reduction after security slip, but total comp still rose 63% (more than $30 million)MM: H/t to Mr. CorpGov on his substackWho Won the Week?DR: He wins when he says and when he doesn't says: Jamie Dimon Privately Supports Kamala Harris. He Just Won't Say So.MM: Shake Shack, the only fast food company not associated with e coliPredictionsDR: Jamie Dimon Says you should feel safe eating at McDonald's even though he wouldn't be caught dead eating at McDonald's. Also, the next CEO of Disney comes from NetflixMM: Ozempic cures e coli

Special guest Dr. Frederic Reamer joins Allison in today's episode to discuss the risks & mitigation strategies in the field of behavioral health. He also shares the need for seeking ethical consultation when faced with difficult decisions & highlights the importance of adhering to codes of ethics to prevent both potential lawsuits & board complaints. Originally aired February 7, 2024. Sponsored by: TherapyNotes®: Use promo code Abundant for 2 months free To learn more about today's guest, visit https://www.abundancepracticebuilding.com/blog. To check out our free resources, including weekly worksheets & our Tasky Checklist, visit https://www.abundancepracticebuilding.com/links. Learn how to fill your practice with the Abundance Party! Join today & get 75% off your first month with promo code PODCAST: https://www.abundancepracticebuilding.com/abundanceparty 

Are you seeing the misinformation on social media? On this week's episode of Black News, Kennelia gives a quick politics update; discusses how people may started getting sued due to spreading misinformation on social media; and discusses the early draft of our 2024 HBCU Homecoming Dos and Don'ts list. Be sure to continue supporting Black News by liking & subscribing on all apps where podcasts can be heard.

Summer may be winding down in some places as the school year begins, but we're still going strong here in Las Vegas. For this Friday's weekly news roundup, the summer heat is taking its toll on locals as heat-related deaths spike this year, a former player is suing our champion Las Vegas Aces for discrimination, and residents complain the Sphere's new sound feature is way too loud. Co-host Dayvid Figler is joined by food and justice advocate Kim Foster and City Cast executive producer Sonja Cho Swanson to add context and discuss this week's headlines. Want to get in touch? Follow us @CityCastVegas on Instagram, or email us at lasvegas@citycast.fm. You can also call or text us at 702-514-0719. For more Las Vegas news, make sure to sign up for our morning newsletter, Hey Las Vegas. Looking to advertise on City Cast Las Vegas? Check out our options for podcast and newsletter ads at citycast.fm/advertise. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the brightest show this side of Times Square (not brains obviously, I'm talking about lighting.) That's right, we are coming right out the gate with a take so hot, you'd think it was going to live forever (a little teaser for the other part of these notes.) So Michael earned his first taste of Angi insanity when he suggested that the world needs a new Mr. Rogers and of course, this upset our unhinged hostess greatly. After all, there is a place in the world for these great souls like Mr. Rogers and Bob Ross (shout out to his up and coming replacement, Yazan Spice.) Anyway, Angi sighed because she grew up in a world of trust no one and more so, do not trust them if they seem too wholesome for this world. Buckle up kids, we're entering slander territory for her and libel for me for writing out her deranged word vomiting. You see, she feels as though there is something innately sinister about that deceased good guy next door Mr. Rogers. After all, who in their right mind as a parent would let their kids go hang out next door with a single man who has a bunch of puppets in his house (don't worry, trolley gets it too.) That one kid who was always there feeding the fish, what was Mr. Rogers fed him afterwards! Marris, one of the two people in the studio who knew that this was a TV show and not real life (as I'm assuming Angi assumed,) said that nothing happened. Well, Angi was not buying that and she continued down the path of slanderation. We weighed how he had a long career and nothing was said but Angi said it was more about not besmirching his name (which makes know sense because everyone loves to cancel others.) Angi directed her point then to saying intern HP knows if someone is bad and even though Marris explained that nothing has ever been said about Fred Rogers, Angi pulled out her next unhinged point. It is not okay to send kids next door to play with a single man's fish, puppets and train which I'm assuming were all supposed to be euphemisms. As she pointed out, he was trying to pull a choo choo train on you. This then transitioned to coming for the mailman and Mr. Rogers "allegedly" (I'm not going down for this one Angi) having a van with a Playstation and candy in it. She made a point saying that whenever someone is too good to be true, there's always a scandal attached to it like how Mr. Beast is currently going down or remember how Mother Teresa would beat those girls. The moment that sweater went on and those kids came over, his pants grew three sizes that day. As Marris explained how all scandal ridden children come to light like those Barney brats and the Nickelodeon kids who got their toes sucked by that disgusting pig showrunner. No one has come out against Mr. Rogers but Angi explained they are all secretly in a group with the Michael Jackson kids and they're all trying to just protect his legacy. We ended this non-stop train of getting us plenty of mad people and phone calls from estates by having Angi go after Bozo as well even though she had to be reminded that his name was not "that scary ass clown." In fact, she doesn't trust any adults in a costume that entertains kids (and this is after she got felt up by Southpaw on Friday and plotted a threesome with Benny the Bull and Tommy Hawk.)

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This is one of the most important and practical episodes you will likely ever listen to! As more people speak out publicly, sharing their stories of abuse in the church, more and more churches, denominations, and pastors are growing litigious, further abusing victims in civil court. If you're thinking of going public with your story, LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE! Featuring Jenai Auman, author of the recently released book Othered. We'll Cover: Question to ask yourself before going public with your storyThings to consider before going publicTips to mitigate your riskHOW to prepare IF you get suedWhat to expect from lawyersAnd More* Disclaimer: This is NOT legal Advice! * Read this article, written by Jenai, that inspired Katherine to ask her to talk about this on the podcast. This is seriously one episode Katherine has REALLY wanted to do. Jenai wrote a companion article with examples of corroboration here. Jenai Auman is a Filipina American writer, artist, and author of Othered. She draws from her experience and education to write on healing, hope, and holistic spiritual formation practices.Looking for a trauma-trained mental health professional to work with? www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com/meet-our-practitionersSign up for Tears of Eden's newsletter to receive updates on the release of Katherine Spearing's upcoming book: www.tearsofeden.org/aboutUncertain is a podcast of Tears of Eden, a community and resource for those in the aftermath of Spiritual Abuse. If you're enjoying this podcast, please take a moment to like, subscribe, or leave a review on your favorite podcasting listening apparatus. You can support the podcast by going to TearsofEden.org/supportTo get in touch with us please email tearsofeden.org@gmail.comFollow on Instagram @uncertainpodcastTranscript is Unedited for Typos and Misspellings[00:00:00] I'm Katherine Spearing and this is Uncertain.Starting in April of this year, I began partnering with Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery, working as a practitioner for this organization. This organization's CEO is Dr. Laura Anderson. You may be familiar with her. She's been on the pod a couple of different times. She's also the author of the book, When Religion Hurts You.She's awesome. She's the boss. I work with her and a bunch of other really great practitioners over there. If you are looking for mental health professional, a trained, highly qualified, highly experienced mental health professional that can help you navigate religious trauma, spiritual abuse, and all of the sub categories that fall beneath that.I encourage you to check out Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. I am currently accepting a few new clients, and there are several other practitioners that are also accepting clients. I know that's a big thing that comes up a lot in the religious trauma spiritual abuse [00:01:00] world is folks just really struggling to find a mental health professional that understands religious trauma and spiritual abuse and the nuances and complexities of the subculture of evangelicalism and church culture.So if that is something that you are looking for, I encourage you to check them out. The link will be in the show notes. Also in April of this year, I signed a book deal with Lake Dry Books. My book, Surprise Surprise is about spiritual abuse. It will be coming out in sometime in 2025. Date is yet to be determined, so I encourage you to sign up for Tears of Eden's mailing list for updates on the release of that book. The need that this book is going to fill in the world of religious trauma and spiritual abuse recovery, that is something that I see lacking in theIt's the need of making the connection between the theology of evangelicalism that actually leads [00:02:00] to the abuse happening. I'm not seeing that a lot in the literature today. Our guest a couple of weeks ago, Krista Brown, she made that connection in her memoir, Baptist Land. But outside of that, it's not really a common thing that folks are addressing. So I felt like it was a pretty important subject to navigate in my book. It's going to be mostly. Following my journey of recovery, but it's not a memoir and it is also going to be pulling some stuff from the work with Tears of Eden. There are direct quotes from podcasts that you may have listened to So sign up for the mailing list so that you can get updates about that. Today's guest is my friend and colleague Janai Allman, and I am so excited about this episode. This is an episode that I have been wanting to do for a couple years. And a few weeks before Janai had, and I had this episode scheduled to record, she sent out a Substacks article about the very subject [00:03:00] that we're going to be talking about today.We are going to talk about her book that just came out, Othered, and we are going to talk about the book a little bit as well, But Janai graciously agreed to have this conversation with me because we both learned a lot of things about telling our stories publicly and how to stay safe and also make sure we get to say our side of the story and those two things are super important on the other side of abuse.So very excited about this episode. I hope this is one that people will re listen to over and over and over again, and I am so excited to be able to include this as a resource for Tears of Eden and for folks who encounter Tears of Eden. Janai Almon is a Filipina American writer and artist who draws from her years in church leadership as well as her trauma informed training to write on healing, hope, and the way forward.She is passionate about providing language to readers so they can find a faith inspiring that freeze. She received her bachelor's degree in behavioral health science, and is currently pursuing a [00:04:00] master's in spiritual formation at Northeastern Seminary. Janiyah lives in Houston, Texas with her husband, Tyler, and their sons, Quinn and Graham.Here is my interview with Janiyah Allman Katherine: Hello, Janai. Jenai: Hi. How are you? I'm really good. I'm so glad we're doing this. Katherine: Yes, me too. I'm very excited about this episode and the subject that we are going to talk about today because it is one, as you and I have, talked about prior to the episode is something that is a big discussion within the survivor community for folks who are wanting to go public with their stories and discussing how to protect ourselves from the potential for a civil lawsuit.It is not an uncommon thing and it's becoming more common like I'm, I'm seeing it happen a lot. You just went through experience of writing a book before we [00:05:00] jumped on, you talked about going through a legal review when you were writing your book. So everything that we're sharing today is going to just be to help people have some awareness about this experience of going public with your story and protecting yourself because you want to, you want to protect yourself. As we jump in, I definitely want to highlight your book . So give folks a just rundown of what your book is and why you wanted to write this book. Jenai: Yeah, I, so my book is a faith oriented book, so I know that some people who might listen to Uncertain, they might be in varying degrees of faith, or totally deconverted altogether, I make space for the deconverted, and but also, I wrote this space reorienting, or I wrote the book reorienting, like, how I posture myself to Like the stories in the Bible and I weave in personal narrative.So this is what I experienced. How does that, how is that at all in accord with scripture? How, and it isn't [00:06:00] a lot of what I experienced while working on staff at a church, one of those churches that are often in those podcasts where they talk about the main guy who started the affiliation yelling at people.Like, I think people, I was a part of a very high control, very toxic masculinity church planting network. And I was ostracized and kicked out essentially othered in from my church because I wouldn't, I wouldn't shut up and I wouldn't, I wouldn't stop advocating for myself. And so I wrote othered.To tell my story and to essentially provide a road map to this is why I still am a Christian. I kind of detangled my experience of that space from the harm I experienced. And I have found a renewed relationship in God. However, it doesn't land per like I'm not in a church today. I'm not and some people, they are so mad that I'm not in a church today.Which, that's like a whole other thing. And then other people are going to be mad that Katherine: you still identify as a [00:07:00] Christian. Yeah. Jenai: Yeah. Like I'm not in a church. I still identify as a Christian. I'm in seminary. So that makes it like even kookier for people. And, and so I sit in a weird place where even as I tell my story, sometimes I still feel very othered because I haven't landed where other people wanted me to land.But that's kind of the whole point. Like I want people to feel free to land wherever, even my, like, I don't mention my husband very often, but even my husband has landed somewhere different in faith. And that's like much more toward deconversion. And so I hold space for a lot of different people. So anyway, I wrote other, I share, it's not a memoir.So it doesn't tell even people get mad whenever I say, I don't say everything that happened in the book, and I think we're going to talk about all of that and maybe why I didn't do that. A lot of that is just to protect myself. I think a lot of people want that, though, and they don't understand the risk that goes into telling everything like in a memoir style.I just use [00:08:00] pieces of the story. Like, my story is not up for debate. But I just used these instances, instances and moments to say, here's where something in me fractured and I had to find my way back to myself again. So yeah, I'm really glad to share. Katherine: Absolutely. And I really appreciate you sort of setting things up and just kind of letting folks know like this is where I have landed.Yeah, I had space for other people for where they have landed. I think that's really helpful because I think a lot of folks from evangelicalism will, like, come on and talk about you know, what they believe. And there is this, like, very subtle agenda of, like, I want you to believe the same thing as me which comes straight out of, These toxic evangelical cultures of like, we can't interact with you unless you believe the same thing.And so I really appreciate that. You've set it up that way and that you have written the book that way pertaining to the subject that we're going to [00:09:00] discuss today. What did you, what made you feel like it was important to write this story? in a public way and put it in a book and put it on all of the other public writing that you have written. You may already know this, but the uncertain podcast is the affiliate podcast of tears at Eden, a nonprofit that serves as a community and resource for survivors of spiritual abuse. This podcast and the work of tears are supported by donations from generous listeners. Like you. If you're enjoying this podcast, please consider giving a donation by using the link in the show notes or visiting tears of eaton.org/support. You can also support the podcast by rating and leaving a review and sharing on social media. If you're not already following us, please follow us on Facebook at tears of Eden and Instagram at uncertain podcast. Thanks so much for listening.And now back to the show. Katherine: what made you feel like it was important to write this story? in a public way and put it in a book and put [00:10:00] it on all of the other public writing that you have written.Jenai: Yeah. Well, it was, I can imagine cause there was a lot of back and forth between me and the leadership of the church of like, what was wrong, what wasn't wrong. And, and I was watching them and this is probably something you, you resonate with also, but like watching them make it make sense in their heads, like take this really.dumb argument that they've made and they've kind of loaded it with a lot of Christian speak to somehow justify like whatever conclusion that they came to. So in short, I was terminated from my position. They never used the word terminated though. They always used transition out. That was kind of a part of the The Christian speak, you know, yes, it made it sound like more polite to them as if what they weren't what they were doing to me was not impolite or like rude or loving.They were like, Oh, we're just transitioning her out. We're just like jet [00:11:00] gently pushing her out and telling her to shut the hell up. I'm sorry. I don't know if this is a you're allowed to pass. Katherine: Yes. Jenai: And so Yeah, I was like, you use these grace laced words and so I kind of started fighting back with no, you're not supposed to do this isn't so in many ways the book and the book's not an argument.It's not formatted as an argument. It is essentially kind of how I kept fighting back. And I don't even say this in the book. It's it was my resistance and how my resistance played out over the course of time Using the very scriptures that they were trying to use against me and I was saying no, no, no, no, no Like Katherine: yeah, Jenai: you know I think a big a big banner scripture and it's not in the book at all Ezekiel 34 like you are feeding on the sheep I am a sheep that was in your care and the ways in which I was treated wasn't okay And you're supposed to hear my voice And you didn't just not hear me.You like silenced me. And [00:12:00] so writing the book was pivotal for me because I think many other people are having to deal with that too. That doublespeak, duplicitousness. And they don't know how to combat it. And for whatever reason, maybe it's my stubborn, Filipina nature or maybe it's a little bit of like Texas stubborn in me as well, but I was like you You will not overpower me.You have done everything to like push me out, but I I will Like there was something stubborn in me that was like, I will dig down. Cause I know something in this is not right. And I'm going to keep speaking up. So yeah, I thought it was super pivotal to give people language. And I think some of that says that in my bio, like I want to provide people with language.I don't know what it is. I don't want to tell people what to do, but I want to give them language to say, this is what my resistance looks like, and Katherine: I Jenai: hope and healing, I think healing and resistance are both and and I think this is what you can envision for yourself also. Katherine: Right. I love that healing and resistance are both [00:13:00] and and for whatever reason that someone chooses to go public with their story.Part of that reason could just could be the healing reason like that. That is that feels important to me as a part of my healing. I need this story to be public. It could be just to teach people as you, as you chose to do just to sort of show people. Here are. other ways to interpret these things that these power hoarders are just, you know, funneling at you and there's so many of them and they're so powerful and they're so convincing and they're so nice when they say it, it's really hard to, to fight back even just in our own minds.So there's so many reasons why someone feels that it's important. to go public with their story. And what we're going to talk about today, folks, is how to protect yourself if you decide to go [00:14:00] public with your story. Disclaimer at the very beginning. Neither Janai nor I are legal counsel, we are not lawyers, we have life experience that we are going to share, we are going to give recommendations, but we encourage everyone to do your own research, look into this yourself, know what the risks are because there are risks.When you put your story of being abused in public and make the best wise decision for you and your health and where you are in your story. So with that disclaimer, we're going to kind of talk about two different parts in this episode. One, we're just going to talk about ways that you can safely tell your story that might mitigate your opportunities or the potential risk of being sued by someone.Yeah. That said. Someone can file a civil lawsuit for anything. They don't have to have corroborating evidence or anything. [00:15:00] They can make up a total lie to file a civil lawsuit. All they need is Money, really, that's really the only thing that they need. And so we're never going to be able to completely eliminate the risk for being sued, but there are some things that we have learned on our journeys that can help us navigate and protect ourselves in the event that that actually happens.So that's going to be the part two of this episode. jumping right in. If you have some things that you have learned in your process about ways to phrase things, how to phrase things, things that you learned while writing your book of, okay, I can't say that, but I can say this, would love to hear just a rundown of some stuff that you have learned in your process of telling your story publicly.Jenai: Yeah, yeah. Well, and I'll say sometimes I share parts of my story on Instagram and no [00:16:00] one's really policing what I say on Instagram. But there was much more kind of like being cautious and careful in a publication, like a book. And so just before I wrote. Or finished the manuscript of Othered. I think it was Prince Harry's memoir.Yeah, his memoir came out. And I, and I was like, I want to read that. And I just read it before even finishing the manuscript. Just because I wanted to see, how does he tell this? And not have the power of the throne come down at him. And if anyone, I began paying attention, I mean the story is wild, but also began paying attention to how he told it, or how the ghost writer was telling it for him.And I don't know if anyone else has read it, but there's kind of like, sometimes you read like, him saying, did this happen? He's like self doubting. Yes. In, in the book. Did you pick up on that also? Huh. Katherine: Yeah. Jenai: Like he was like, I, am I remembering this correctly? Almost as [00:17:00] if like, you can't come after me.I'm telling you that it's just my memory. It's just Katherine: memory. Jenai: So I learned that it is different to write something as 100 percent fact, even though there are things in my book that were 100 percent fact. This is what happened, but because I didn't have evidence or I didn't have like a screenshot or a recording of the meeting to say this is 100 percent fact, I had to say.And this is such, it's weaker. It makes for weaker writing, but it protects you more. I had to say, I remember this person saying, Katherine: yeah. Jenai: Whereas before I had it written in dialogue, like so and so said this to me, and I responded in this way, and they said, we need this corroborated, or we need evidence, or you need to re write it and say, I remember.this happening. I remember this happening. And I thought, man, like, it kind of sucks a little bit. It sucks the, like the, the wind from your sails. But I remember that being a [00:18:00] pivotal a pivotal point in like, Oh, then there were some things I do. And I, I remember, I don't know if anyone's in the middle of anything.And I'm in a one party state, meaning as long as one party in the conversation consents to a recording. You can record the conversation. And so long as I was a party, I, I, I was like, I give myself consent to record this conversation, something in my gut before I even left my position, something in my gut said, Start recording these conversations.And so I did. You're going to have to look up your own local laws to see if you're a one party or a two party state. Sometimes you need consent from everyone in the meeting before you can record. I know California is like that and maybe others. Yeah. And so I remember hitting record. And feeling a little bit bad about that.I'm like, this is, this is, this seems weird and creepy on my part at the time, but there was something in my gut [00:19:00] that was telling me, record this conversation. And I remember texting a fellow coworker who was also experiencing the same like mess that I was. And I texted her and I said, is it wrong of me to record this conversation?And she goes, Oh my gosh, yes. And I thought it was wrong. Yes. She, even she like, even in who, And even she couldn't, cause it feels that creepy. Yeah. Like even the people who are in it with you might think, oh, this isn't gracious of you. But I didn't listen to her and I thought I was going to keep recording.And now, like if I talk to her now. And I told her, Hey, remember when you told me I should stop recording? I didn't, she would probably say, I'm so glad you didn't listen to me. Right. I'm so glad you just kept doing it. And so I, I did have evidence. I did have evidence. I had screenshots. Instagram messages, or not Instagram, my goodness.IPhone, iMessage. Katherine: Yeah. Jenai: Like they have like these settings where it says, you know, delete my messages after a month, delete 'em after a year or whatever. I [00:20:00] turn that feature off, so I have a ton of like, storage on my phone from all my stored messages, but that's really so that I have all the evidence.And so I took screenshots. Yeah. And I put all of that in a folder to send off. For those that don't know, when you read a, when you write a book, they usually do what's called a permissions read. Meaning if you added stories of other people your editor will go through and read to see who do you need permission from.And they'll give you like a form to send to that friend who says, I give permission for this story to be in the book. And for me, I thought, well, I don't know how this is going to work. I'm not going to get permission from anyone to tell the story. Katherine: Yeah, Jenai: and they emailed me back and they were like, congratulations, you don't need to get permission.However, we do need to do a corroboration read or a legal read of the book, and this is what our lawyer has flagged as like comments in the document for like, this is where you need [00:21:00] corroboration or change the word or evidence and Yeah, so that's kind of like an overview of the process. Katherine: And corroboration is another person saying, yes, that.Yes, Jenai: yes, that happened. Even, even though you don't have evidence, if someone else can say, yes, this happened, I was there, I witnessed it. I know that that is exactly how that it played out. They are kind of like your witness. It is not evidence. It's your witness. Katherine: Yeah, absolutely. And that is. For them and for you in the event that you do get sued.We already have this ready, we have to go, we have someone backing this up, we have someone that has verified that this is true for that again doesn't necessarily prevent the lawsuit from happening, but it is stuff that can just protect you in the event. Some other things that are helpful that you are.Probably alluding to saying things like allegedly, or it is my opinion [00:22:00] appeared to me that X, Y said this, or it seemed as if, and that feels so weird saying that when it's like your story and it happened to you, but it's also just kind of acknowledging. A human limitation. So just kind of putting it in that category.And, and memory memory does change over time. It doesn't mean that it wasn't 100 percent true, but it we're just we're just kind of acknowledging human beings have limitations and I am a human being, and it's and it's protection. It's okay to protect yourself. You are not being dishonest, but it is, it does feel so weird, especially when we come out of these environments where we have been silenced and our story and our narrative gets taken by other people and twisted and reframed.We just want to say it like this happened and this person was so horrible, awful, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there are [00:23:00] spaces to do that. And. Maybe write the first draft with like every expletive you ever wanted to use, get it all out and then go back. and adjust it for public consumption. Maybe wait a few days.And so yes, those emotions need to be felt. Those emotions need to be gotten out and you also want to protect yourself. So both of those things can happen. And the importance of just the reality that the story is out there and there may be some things that just feel a little weird to say them a certain way, but it has a story out there.How do you navigate that of like, this wasn't the most ideal way to write this but it was the safest way to write this. How do you navigate that experience? Jenai: Yeah. I remember In, I think it's in the first chapter of the book, I am certain it's in the first chapter of the book, because I start the book with a story [00:24:00] of my first day of work that started with my executive director yelling Or, you know, whatever your definition of, yeah, I think it was yelling I called it not yelling, but he was raising his voice because, you know, there is no, I can't track the decibel level of what he's saying, and like, I don't want that to be a whole argument, but even that, I kind of cushioned and said, He wasn't yelling, but he was raising his voice to the degree that everyone in the building could hear him.You know what I mean? Katherine: Yeah, and so people are going to be like, he was yelling. Jenai: Yeah, he was yelling. And so it's subversive little things like that. And so. I, I kind of cushioned where I could, but then later in the chapter when I, my first chapter is kind of about giving people terms, because people use spiritual abuse in different ways, or church hurt in different ways, and so I kind of tracked with like, this is how I'm using them for the book.So I tell that [00:25:00] story, and then I share kind of my definition of these terms, and because I put some cushion in the story later when I talk about that experience, when I name what happened in that experience, I say, this was spiritually abusive. And I just say it. I felt like I had the confidence to say it there, because I had the allegedly in the cushion.I didn't, I didn't have to write this was a, I alleged that this was spiritual abuse. I could just say it with punch and power later in the chapter. And so there are kind of subversive ways like that, that you as a writer, or even if you tell your story because I know some people might be Not everyone's writing, some people are podcasters, some people are sharing their stories in different ways and so there are there are subversive ways to tell the truth, such that you are clever, and you can protect yourself as well.There's something, some verse in Matthew that's like, you know, be as wise as a serpent. But be as gentle as a dove [00:26:00] and I think I do that in the book like I had to navigate this I wanted the book to be compassionate, but I also wanted to be clever and I wanted to show like I could still tell my story and so yeah, there's places you can put cushion when you need to.And then if you're, if you're clever with your writing, the imagery and or the, you know, the imagination of the reader will fill in the gaps. Thanks. Yeah, Katherine: but then you are still protected. Jenai: Yeah. Katherine: Another, another thing that feels weird is when we're writing about someone who's not a public figure changing names, changing physical identifiers, that also feels super weird.Cause we're like, we just want them to know that it was this person. But the reality is that most people don't know that person. And so thinking of it as a wider. public facing thing rather than the 5, 10, 20, 100, or a thousand people within that space who would know who that is. And that vindication that we [00:27:00] would get from making it obvious who the person is versus protecting ourselves and, and just changing their name, changing physical identifiers.That's different if it is a public figure. When it's a public figure, you can phrase it. a way to phrase it is, or a way to, to angle it or approach it is to write it as if it is for the public good. Like, Hey, a lot of people are asking me about this person. And so I'm sharing this story so that the public will know that this happened, or it isn't, it is important to me that people know that this, you know, public figure.You know, Robbie Zacharias is a predator, you know, like, like stuff like that, where you are, you are saying you're doing it for the public good. And in essence, you are. So that is another way where they, again, they can still see you for [00:28:00] defamation and libel, all of the things. But when you're approaching it as I'm doing this for the, like, Oh, I'm just doing this for the public.And that's what, that's what journalists do. Like they, that's why they write, like, you know, Or that's the ethics that they are supposed to follow of this is important information. This is truth that the public needs to be aware of. And so that's another angle to approach it as and even a way to kind of approach the story as a, as a whole, as you, you did of It's important that people know there's a different way to interpret these verses and making sure that the public knows that there are other ways to say this.And that's another angle. And Jenai: that's why I actually don't use names or even fake names at all in my book. And I think that's a reason why I think people approach it. They're like, this is Jani's story. And I was like, this is really the story of my resistance. It's not the [00:29:00] story of like everything that happened.And so I think that might, like, you know, I think people want to hear like the nitty gritty and I. I would have had to use so much more mental and emotional labor if I was telling stories of how they allegedly kept using my social security number for their church credit card 18 months after I was fired.You know, like, I, I would have to, like, it would take so long. So much more mental labor for me to talk about, like how financial fraud came about or how, how all these other things happened and changing names. And so that's why I was like, I can't write a memoir. I'm not a memoirist. Katherine: Mm-Hmm, . Jenai: But I can tell my story of my resistance and in doing it, framing it that way, I could tell pieces of my story and then not use names.And so I say things like executive director. Yeah, or a senior pastor or lead pastor. And so the people who [00:30:00] are there who read the book will know exactly who I'm talking about. And another way that I've protected myself, and I don't know if a lot of people know this, is that I actually helped plant the church.And what I mean, what I say, what I mean when I say that is, In Texas, when you file for a non profit or corporate, a non profit corporation status with our state, you have to have three signing directors to kind of legalize this organization with, you know, the Austin. the state capitol. And I was one of the signers.So there, it was me and two other guys as signing directors that that stuff is open access. So if you go and Google that stuff, you find my name connected to that church. One way that I've protected myself is I don't write under my full name, Jani Amen. That's my first and my middle name. And When you, I mean, they could still probably find, if someone digs enough, [00:31:00] they can find it.But I can say I put, like, measures in place to not be connected. I don't name the church, that's another thing. I don't talk about even the neighborhood that it was in in the book. So people can't geographically locate it. So, in many ways, I have hemmed myself in from further harm that they could do, and I've just, I've provided cushion in other ways, not just in the book, but in how I approach telling my story, and a pen name, that's not deceptive to readers, that's like, pen names Yeah, pen names are, yeah, it's like industry standard people I mean, that's happened, pen names have happened for a long time.And so I didn't, I'm still writing under my genuine names. I'm just writing under my first and my middle name. Which is what a lot of people do. So yeah, that was just another way I protected myself. Katherine: Yeah. And then another [00:32:00] small detail that could play a role is the names of states lawsuits are, are usually organized by a state and it's called jurisdiction. So if it's if it's possible to remove even state identifiers and just use the area of the country or change the state or whatever, then that just that ties things up. Legally within the context of of a lawsuit and can make it like if it's outside of the, the person who did the wrong, allegedly did the wrong outside of their state and they have to sue across state lines or, or something like that.And, and there's no, indication that it actually happened within the state, within the writing then that can just make it a little bit trickier to file a lawsuit and to, to get it [00:33:00] through. And so it just makes it a little bit more challenging. So those are just some other things to consider as you're, as you're writing.I know when I write about my family, I always say the South. I never say the state. I always say the South. I've started doing very recently. And even if people ask me like in person where I grew up, I just say the South and they'll be like, where? And I was like, I just say the South. Just cause I don't want that connection to a specific state for those jurisdiction reasons.Another fun fact tidbit that is not legal advice. Interested in listening to more than 40 archived Uncertain Podcast episodes? All you have to do is sign up to become a monthly supporter of 5 or more. Becoming a monthly supporter will give you access to popular episodes such as Confessions of a Christian Parent and When Bad People Do Good Things.You'll also get access to this episode without any interruptions from yours truly. Become a monthly supporter today by going to tiersofedian. org slash [00:34:00] support.Katherine: All right. Anything more we want to say about that before we jump into the experience of. working with lawyers and what what might happen on the other side of a lawsuit. Jenai: No, I, I think that kind of tidies up the I will say I have a very unique name.Not every, if you're like a Rachel Smith, You know, you probably have, if someone Googles you they're gonna find so many other Rachel Smiths. And so with the pen name thing, I don't want anyone to freak out or feel like they have to change their name, especially if your name means a lot to you. So please, I just want to be like really sensitive to that.As a Jani Amon, I, you know, or just a Jani in general, they're going to find me. I'm going to be on page one of the Google there, there are more of us than I realize, but the, there aren't as many who are public on the internet. And so, yeah, I would say that's the only thing I can say a Houston church and everyone's like Katherine: Yeah. We'll find you. People find you. And I mean, that is something that you can do. It's not, you know, [00:35:00] It's a it's an option for for protection using using the the pen name.And I think, as you said, if it's. very intentional that we're not trying to like go after this person and take them down. It, it helps. Those are just little things that can help. As we jump into talking about the bum, bum, bum, bum, what if you do get sued? Let's talk about some ways that We can protect ourselves in the event that that happens.It is not uncommon and just want to let folks know from where I sit in the work that I do, I am seeing, if you're talking about the spiritual abuse space and going public about abuse that pastors have done or denominations or whatever, I am watching pastors and denominations and organizations become more litigious.They are, they are fighting back. By filing civil suits. [00:36:00] Now it is my opinion. We need to also be fighting back and filing civil suits. But when you've been abused, a lot of times you don't want to do that. And that is it's over for you. You are moving on and health and you do not want to interact with that person anymore.But the, the increase of lawsuits and civil suits from. Pastors suing folks who have accused them of abuse that is growing and I project is probably going to continue to grow as they fight back and they lose power. So it is not. a unlikely event if you start going public and start talking about specific people especially and specific denominations especially.Very sad, just going to acknowledge that right here that that even needs to be a reality but as you absolutely quoted at the beginning Be Wise is Wise as serpents and gentle as doves and this is just a way to be [00:37:00] real wise when we start going public with our stories. Now, one thing to just be aware of, of I don't know that a lot of people know this but you can get Insurance for yourself for things like liable defamation, slander.And if you, I recommend talking to a local broker in your city and just say, Hey, this is what I'm doing. I have a podcast or I put a lot of stuff on my website or I'm writing a book and I need coverage. What are your recommendations? The brokerage will do, broker will do the research for you and likely present you with some options of things that you can purchase for your own protection.When you do that, when you have insurance and if these, you know, alleged abusers know that you have insurance, it does increase the likelihood that you're going to get sued. And the reason why is because if you get [00:38:00] sued and you have no money there, you file bankruptcy and they get nothing. If you, if they see you and have insurance, then they are increasing the likelihood that they are going to get money because insurances can just decide.This is, it's more expensive to defend this case than to settle this case and they can make that decision that they're going to settle instead of defend. That's just a nuance of how the system works. It does not mean that you are admitting fault. You never have to admit fault. But if an insurance company is covering you, then they might make that choice on your behalf.They can do that. And lawyers know that and so if you have insurance, it does increase. slightly increase your chance of getting sued. However, the alternative is basically you don't have insurance and then you then not only are going through the horrendous [00:39:00] emotional stress of a lawsuit, you're also having to pay for it.So that is just something to consider. As you are going public with your story and something very simple that you can do to protect yourself. You can add it on to your renter's insurance. You can add it on to your mortgage. I think it's a, if it's something that you do regularly, like for you and I, or for myself forming an LLC, forming a nonprofit so that you have the insurance to cover that specific entity and you do all of the work under that entity.So then you are not on the hook should something happen because it's under that entity. Those are just real weird nuances and something that most people are never going to have to know or be aware of. But for this particular thing of going public about our story of abuse is something for folks to be aware of.Would you like to share about what someone might expect [00:40:00] when, if they have to interact with lawyers? Jenai: Yes. And that was hard. That was hard. I don't remember if we said this during the recording, but lawyers are not. Dental? Yes. They're not trauma informed.They don't really, their concern is, Like winning and not necessarily, I mean, that's kind of like what I feel like with pastors, pastors are so many pastors, not all pastors are concerned about like upping the numbers. And sometimes the spiritual abuse happens because they look at the metrics and not at the people.And in many ways, I kind of felt some of that with like, Katherine: Hey, Jenai: just want to make sure that they win, not necessarily that this person is cared for. That's someone else's job. I will say I do not have a lawyer. I had, I worked with the lawyer, the legal representation with my publisher, so when I, when they did that permissions read, that was [00:41:00] not a permissions read, and they transferred it over to a legal read the editor read through, but then the editor also had the lawyer read through.And the lawyer went through and commented on the document certain things. Sometimes I don't know if I was supposed to see these comments or if they were supposed to scrub them. And I, I, because in reading some of their comments, they're trying to think about how can this writer say this? So that really so that everyone is protected, but sometimes they write it as if the writer did something wrong here and it just lands on you kind of hard.And getting the email that said, you know, we need, we need you to provide corroboration. It felt a lot like, They don't believe me. Katherine: Yeah. You have to prove that this was true. Jenai: Yes. Katherine: Yeah. And Jenai: that I knew it was coming from other people I had spoken with and other writers and authors that I know of. I knew that this was coming, so it didn't [00:42:00] hit me too hard.Katherine: Mm-Hmm. . I Jenai: can imagine that it might if other, other people aren't experiencing that, and I think. Oh, I'm so grateful for my agent. So if someone, if you can work with an agent some people say find whatever agent that you can find. But really my encouragement is if you can land with an agent, not just somebody who will have you, but someone who will have your back.Katherine: Yeah, that Jenai: is pretty pivotal. And she was sensitive enough. She also, that was another thing, all my emails between me and my publisher go to my agent as well. My agent is a part of an agency who has a lawyer at the head. And so he kind of, he's not my agent, but he's connected. And so I, I feel very kept at that particular, like, and held.Katherine: Yeah at Jenai: that agency, but my agent was sensitive enough that she got the email and before I responded to the email Or before I even texted her she texted me I want to say five [00:43:00] minutes after the email hit my inbox and she said I want you to know This doesn't mean that they don't believe you. They're all everyone's just concerned about making sure The book is protected that you're protected.This doesn't mean that they don't believe you and I You I knew that it was just really nice to have someone else tell me that. And I know that depending on, I think self publishing is a totally valid journey especially after going through publishing. So not everyone has an agent, but even if you can get someone in your corner, who's a part of walking through the process with you, even if it's not an agent who can read this stuff with you and tell you the things that Even you yourself know, I know that this means that they don't believe me.Hearing it from another person really does help just take care of like your body, your nervous system. And so that, but it was a very hard thing to read. And then the comments from the lawyer herself were also really. really hard. I think [00:44:00] sometimes some people think it's the men and I'm like, no, not Katherine: really.No, no, no, no, no. It is not. It is not. And they, they, again, as you said, they want to win. And so they are thinking about this from a perspective of like, if we get into a lawsuit, how will we win? What are the things that we need in order to win? And so much of the civil lawsuit there are absolutely situations.I know someone who is suing someone for financial fraud right now and it is a genuine situation in which they should be suing that person, but this can also just be this very capitalistic way for power holders to just be bullies. There aren't a lot of like regulations about like, is this a legitimate reason to sue someone.And so. It's a game. A lot of it's a game. And the, the lawyers, a certain type of person ends up being a lawyer, and they are, they're, they're, they're about strategy and the game, and how do I win this game, and they are [00:45:00] not, thinking you are an abuse survivor who has been extremely traumatized and they're not thinking how is this going to land for you.They also tend to have very little other than just like very high level understanding of like rape is sexual abuse. They don't have a lot of understanding about the nuances of abuse and what exactly is abuse. And so. That when you've already gone through an experience of having to justify and defend yourself and, and convince yourself that this is real and this really happened and, and what you are experiencing and how you are navigating your trauma is real to then have this real life experience of people just like not believing you, even though that's not necessarily the case, but it feels like they don't believe you.It can be very re traumatizing, and so we're just, we're just sharing this to just like, just be aware. Make, make a wise choice of, of this with [00:46:00] awareness. And as Janai said, surround yourself with people, give yourself some good people who are going to be there to support you. Also, something to keep in mind, a civil suit is not a criminal suit.You are not a criminal. You do not commit a crime. It might feel like it, but you didn't do anything wrong. Again, people can sue for any reason whatsoever. They do not have to have any, any corroboration. All they have to do is be a bully and have a lot of money. Jenai: Yeah. I write in other actually, like if people, if people you are calling out someone for misuse of power, they will continue to misuse their power and abuse their power to silence you.And so they're going to be like, oops, my bad. They will keep doing it. They will keep coming after you. And I think really the only way to stop it from happening is you have to find your power back. And, and that can be through a number of things, [00:47:00] whether, like, people can corroborate your story, you've gathered evidence I will say for anyone gathering evidence or in the middle of that process, don't necessarily do everything under, like, if you get something to your work email and that work email is connected to the abusive situation, start forwarding everything to your personal email because they will close that email account eventually and you will lose evidence, that was in my case, I've also, there was a pastor in my story.It's not in the book at all, but who has been trying to meet with me or he has been meeting with me for coffee, trying to reconcile, and I feel safe enough to have these conversations with him and not feel talked down to, or not feel, you know, gaslit. I won't let that happen. But because he has extended an olive branch and has kind of admitted to some of the wrongdoing he's done in the corroboration process, I needed to corroborate that I was given, you know two severance options, and I didn't have that screenshot.It was in, [00:48:00] like, a slide. I have a Slack channel that I'm no longer a part of. It was in my old work email that I never forwarded to my personal email. And so I had to get corroboration for that. And I asked this pastor, I will say lawyer or the lawyer for the publisher, they said, if your husband can corroborate, he is allowed to corroborate for your story.Right. So that was super helpful. And I, but instead of in title, my husband did corroborate for some of the things, but for this severance option, I thought I'm going to ask the pastor, my friend to do this, my former friend to do this because he can use the one that gave me the severance options. And it was really like a, let me see the test of your character, whether you'll do this, and he didn't, he said, Katherine: oh, goodness, he Jenai: said, there's just so much more nuance.And I'm not saying whether or not there is nuance to the situation. And by the way, I reject his nuance. It was total crap. I was just saying, the [00:49:00] corroboration is. Did you or did you not give me two severance options? And he wanted to say, you know, he wanted to say, but this happened, like, and I was like, yeah.And I said, can you do this? Can you confirm this? And he said, no, I won't corroborate for you. And I was like, you dirty liar. I was like, fine. I, I, I wasn't upset. I was just like, okay. Katherine: You showed, you showed your colors. Jenai: Yeah, you are actually Like confirming that you are still in alignment with the character of the person that I knew before.And like my lack of trust with you is validated. Like I can no longer trust. I can't, like my, my gut is telling me the right things. I gave you an opportunity to mend some of that trust and you did not. So I still have it in the book that I was given two severance options because my husband was like, yes, you were given two severance options.And I remember that. And if it ever [00:50:00] goes to court and everyone gets deposed, that's what they're going to say, you know, like you, yeah, Katherine: you have to. Yeah. And exactly. I can cut this from the episode, but was one of the options, Like you have to sign an NDA and you get this? Jenai: No. Okay. There was no NDA.We can keep this in. I was given two severance options. Here's the thing, and this is how pivotal, I was the primary on the bank account. Like my, I could have done anything with the finding. I didn't. But that I, I had the passwords to everything. I was the primary check signer. I had a lot of things that I was responsible for.I had no power over because they, you know, kind of cuffed me in terms of like what did and didn't happen. And I was trying to follow the rules. But because I had the access and the responsibility to maintain everything, they couldn't just get rid of me super quick because they needed that access. And [00:51:00] so my severance options were two weeks notice and two months severance.Or I work for two months and I get another three months severance and I, this was 2020. This is when people are losing their jobs. And I thought I need, I actually asked, I said, can I have more severance? Like, this is, you are my brothers. Yes. You are, you are like, tying my hands behind my back.You have given me no voice and no choice, even though I have consistently told you that this man's harmful. Can I have more severance? They ignored that request. I actually met with somebody who, and I told him, I said, remember you were ignored this request. And he was like, did we? And I said, yes, I remember asking for six months of severance.Because they do whatever they can't have to in their mind to protect their male fragility that they've done something wrong my husband was there, but the severance thing was [00:52:00] really really hard The kicker is is they did eventually get rid of the senior pastor They gave him like nine ten months worth of severance His salary.I, his salary was six figures. My salary was in the fifties. Mm-Hmm. . And so I, I felt like I wasn't asking a lot. A lot. I wasn't asking for a lot. Katherine: Right, exactly. Jenai: They gave him my salary and then some through his severance, like later, and I thought. Man, like, I, whatever, this is obviously, like, here is another instance where you have made a value statement that one person was more valuable than another, and even in sending them away, you wanted to send him away with so much care, and you just freaking threw me off.Yeah. It threw me overboard. So, Katherine: yeah. Oh my gosh. I have heard so many stories [00:53:00] like that of just like, they'll be so stingy with the person who blew the whistle. And then when they, you know, get forced to like, get rid of the pastor because it's just, too much collateral to keep him on because so many people are leaving or for whatever reason and and then they just send him off with like a year of severance and like you know continue to pay his insurance and like all this kind of stuff and you're just like guys yeah it is not an equitable system in any way shape or form Jenai: i would say i probably if i had to venture a guess i will never find a civil suit filed against me because I in gathering evidence and in kind of trusting my gut.They didn't know that I was recording things after they let me go and terminated me. They began a quote unquote internal investigation. And if anyone knows, it's not really that much of an investigation where they investigate themselves, [00:54:00] you know, like, come on, man. But. In these internal investigation talks, I recorded everything, and I was kind of triangulating the information with some members.And I was asking them, what are they telling you? Because this is what I was told. And what are they telling you? And thankfully, some of those what they were telling the members, some of that's recorded in member meetings. And so I was like, okay. One way. I think we mentioned before pastors still feel like they are just leaders in general feel like they have power.That's why they keep coming after you. And then 1 way to prevent that is to get your own power back. Once I revealed to them that I had been recording things. and catching them in their lies. Katherine: Yes. Jenai: They realized, Oh, we can't just tell her one thing and tell the members another thing. Cause I remember, I remember them telling me, you know, pastors on [00:55:00] probation, pastors, this, I recorded that meeting without their, their knowledge, because it's one party consent.And then I heard from the member meeting that Pastor went on stage and he said, they've given me time off. Like he wasn't, he wasn't forthright with I'm on probation. They also gave him the power to tell the story himself. Katherine: Yeah. Jenai: Which I thought, don't you know? And they were like, we gave him like an opportunity to own.And I was like, no, you didn't. You gave him an opportunity to save face and Katherine: I Jenai: sent them an email. And I said, this is what you've done. This is what I was told. Here is the screen recording. I don't know if this is the case anymore, but there's an app called Loom, where I, I think they might have disabled this feature.This was early days, 2020, when people were figuring out screen recording and all that stuff. But Loom will record, did record my screen. And because I didn't do it through Zoom, it didn't let the person know that I was [00:56:00] recording the call. Katherine: And so, Jenai: I sent them that video that said, This is what you said. Here it is in the transcript.And they stopped. Like, they just, they realized, Oh my gosh, we have to be more careful with her. Katherine: Mm hmm. And then at Jenai: that point, they, I noticed significantly that they were mincing words with me. Because, Katherine: they knew. Jenai: Well, and because I got my power back, they just couldn't just tell me anything anymore.I was weighing and measuring it against everything else they were telling other people. Katherine: Yeah, yeah. And if you are still happen to be in your situation, your abusive situation, document, document, document, document, document. If you can't record it, you can, you can leave a meeting and you can write your own notes.You can save the emails, as you know, I was saying, save the screenshots. Have your have all of your things that feel so weird to do that. Like you're just like a double agent. But just think of it that [00:57:00] way. Like, like you are a double agent in a hostile regime, just like, like that person. And yeah. and protect yourself and give yourself what you need to survive that.Speaking of survival in the event that you do get sued it is a very traumatizing situation to, like, have to be interacting with this stuff again and to not have agency over when you interact with that stuff. And, and it can be very re traumatizing. Litigation abuse is a real thing, such as. A, you know, woman tries to leave her violently abusive husband, even has a restraining order out.And for that husband to just want, he just wants to keep controlling her and maintain contact with her. We'll just sue her for nothing just to, to maintain the contact. So litigation abuse is a real thing. And that might help to just kind of look at it. That way of like, I'm [00:58:00] being abused in real time and care for yourself.If that were true, surround yourself with people, take a lot of naps be in therapy, if you can and give yourself a lot of tenderness and care in that situation. And you don't have to be this strong, bad ass all the time. Like if it's hard for you and it is a struggle, that's okay. It's okay if that is a struggle for you and you and it impacts you.That's why they're doing it. Like they're trying to impact you and for it to actually impact you and actually be like real time abuse that you're experiencing and for that to have an effect on you, that's okay. And give yourself resources in that situation so that you are actually being supported.when that is happening. One final thought and then I'll let you share final thoughts [00:59:00] too. If you decide that you want to file a civil suit against against a perpetrator or an abuser and you got a lot of evidence and a lot of corroboration and you think you got a good case, there are lawyers that work on contingency who will look at your case and say, I'm going to defend this case for free and I get paid if you get paid.So that is an option to do your research and not legal advice, but I really hope more people will do that. Do that, do that thing and just let them know, Hey, you're going to sue us. We're going to sue you. Monique, any final thoughts or any other things that you want to add to something that we left out or holes to fill?Yeah, Jenai: yeah. I will say if you live in a two party state and you have to get consent before recording, that can still work in your favor too. So after my former leaders found out I was recording, they eventually asked me to partake in a reconciliatory meeting. And I, I know I was like, I [01:00:00] will, I will come to that.And I told them I will come to that on two conditions. I, I had already sat on one side of the table with all six of them before. And I said, I need advocates there for me. Beyond my husband, I, I, I want people there who are for there for us. And the second request was that I record the meeting.If you, I thought, well, it's going, they're going to be much more careful with their words when they record the meeting, but still in that meeting, there were still some tells. Katherine: Yeah. For Jenai: instance, one thing I wrote about in other, I think maybe it's chapter three about apologies. And how I'm sorry, you feel that way is different than I, I'm sorry, I did this to you.Katherine: Yeah. Jenai: And in this rec, like this meeting that they, that they, they said, yes, they let me record it. They still said, I'm sorry, you feel that way. I'm sorry. You feel like you, I would, I had dismissed you and I'm sorry. And like, they still [01:01:00] kind of tell on themselves. So if you live in a two party state and you feel like you can't do these clever one party things.You can still gather good information, even if you ask. And they will still, they show their colors, even if they don't think that they're showing their colors. Like, I really think sometimes, sometimes some people know what they're doing and I think sometimes the self deception is so deep, they just don't know how bonkers it is.Or they're Katherine: super arrogant and they, they really genuinely feel like they can do whatever they want. Jenai: Yeah, yeah. And so there are ways in which you can gather information, even if, like, you don't have a similar one party state situation, like I do. I will also say that when it comes time to providing corroboration, you know, Asking for corroboration, I mentioned, was really hard, but also going back through the evidence, some of my evidence was audio or video recording, and [01:02:00] I had to go back and listen to Jenai: Or watch the video and provide a timestamp.I had to send them the audio or video link and give them a timestamp, and I, that was very difficult. Very hard on me. I did it because I needed to, but if that sounds like something you don't want to do try to find you'll, you'll, if you want to write it the way that you have it and not say, I remember this, you want to actually use that.Just be gentle with yourself. That is a really hard thing. I think I needed to not look at the book for a while after providing evidence because that was listening to those voices and seeing those faces again. It was really hard. And so I just wanted, I didn't want to not say that because people think, Oh, I have all this evidence going back and looking at the evidence can be really, really hard on you.Yeah. Katherine: Yeah, absolutely. And it's so important to just have our, our agency and interact with the [01:03:00] material in our own way in our own time. And when you have something like a book deadline, You don't always have that that capacity to just, yeah. You know, do it on your own time and just when you, when you feel good enough for it.And and a and a civil suit similar is there's deadlines, there's timelines, and you can't just like, oh, I just wanna block out this day and then the next day I'm gonna go get a massage. Like, you don't always have that agency. And just that, just that lack of control within that. Contacts can also feel retraumatizing.And so since we probably discouraged everybody listening to from going public with their stories, what let's remind folks again, like why it's sometimes important to go public with our stories. Jenai: I think it was important to me personally to keep my integrity. I did everything I could do to stop someone else from getting hurt.I, I stood up, I did exactly what my [01:04:00] faith had encouraged me to do. I did exactly the thing I, I believe. And I write this in the book sharing your story and telling your story and owning your story is a way to be like what I think the prophets of the old Testament did. The prophets, they didn't tell fortunes.They were calling people in power to account. I now realize the weight of that, like, oh my gosh, like that is, I did exactly, I spoke up and I don't, I know that not everyone will speak up, not everyone, you know, I had power, I had gathered all this evidence, I had the power to speak up because I had kind of things that bolstered me, not everyone has that, and I, I don't want anyone to feel shame If they feel like they can't tell their story because they don't have that same kind of support or evidence but keep telling your story to yourself so that you're validating yourself.If, if no one else will affirm you, there is still so much power in [01:05:00] affirming your own truth, your own story. No one can take that away from you, but they will do their damnedest to take it away from you. I will also say that it is. mentally grueling. It is I just want people to take care of themselves.Above all, just, just to, if you do and do this work and you know you're going to tell your story give yourself a lot of space and say no to other things that Yeah. Other expectations, other, you know, there are other friends who I'm promoting this book and it's a very vulnerable book. There are other friends who are also writers who also want me to write endorsements or who also in this particular time want me to do something for them and support them.And as much as I love them, I have had to say no to a lot of them as I promote this book or do this work because I'm trying to do it well and with capacity. And because the story is so vulnerable, it takes a lot out of me. So say like, just be [01:06:00] understanding that you have to say no to a lot of people that you love and like, that's okay.Yeah, the people who love you who hear no from you will still like acknowledge that this is okay. Katherine: Absolutely. Jenai: If they take offense to that, then maybe they aren't as big a support as you thought they were and just redraw the boundaries of that relationship, but make a lot of space for you and doing this work.Katherine: Absolutely. And the reality that it's really important to tell our story, to tell our version of the story, to reclaim our narrative, to reclaim our power post an abusive situation, but there are many ways to do that. And telling a story publicly does not have to be the only or only way. Or even an option like we it's important to tell those stories 100 percent highly encouraged finding safe places where you can tell your story.You don't have to go public with it. [01:07:00] Absolutely. And, and. There are things you can do if you decide that that's important to you to make sure that you are taking care of yourself and protecting yourself. Listen to this episode for that. As we wrap up, how can people find you, find your book, interact with you, and yeah, what are the easiest places for people to get in touch with you?Jenai: I am everywhere on the internet at Janiyah Amin. And I'm usually hanging out on Instagram, not really on Twitter or X or whatever it is anymore. It's getting more vitriolic over there. I also, what prompted this conversation was not only that I'm promoting a book, but I also wrote about this experience on Substack.And if you want, Catherine, I can send you the link and you can include that in any show notes on the website, but also what I've considered doing and wha

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