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HBO's Succession: Connor Roy Season Three #hbosuccession #succession #connorroy #loganroy This video is the 19th episode to a larger project that examines the toxic family system of The Logan Family on the HBO series, Succession. This episode contains an analysis and themes which will be explored and highlighted as we focus on Roman Roy during Season Three of Succession. Our Website: https://www.clermontmentalhealth.care/ Email: info@clermontmentalhealth.care Text: 513-655-6911 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theofficialsnap FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/mfriedmanlpcc Mandy Friedman, LPCC-S, CCDVC, CCTP-II is a licensed professional clinical counselor, a certified clinical domestic violence counselor and a clinically certified trauma professional. Mandy is the creator of the educational recovery program SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities. This program teaches survivors and concerned loved ones about abusive personalities, targets of abuse, abusive relationships and life in recovery from abuse. SNAP educational program of recovery helps empathic survivors of abuse fine tune and connect with their empathic nature in order to preserve, harness and protect the very things abusers seek to destroy. In her private practice, Clermont Mental Health, Mandy specializes in treating survivors of Cluster B personalities. She is also familiar with the role of addiction, substance abuse and self-harm in abusive relationships. Mandy's clients are often in need of trauma-informed care as part of their recovery. This has led her to specialize treating clients with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). To help her clients, Mandy utilizes mindfulness based cognitive therapy (MBCT), cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), psychoeducation and Polyvagal Theory. Mandy is a survivor of abuse and has first-hand knowledge of what survivors endure in abusive circumstances and living a healthy life after abuse. Credentials: -Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor licensed in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana -Certified Domestic Violence Specialist-I National Anger Management Association -Clinically Certified Domestic Violence Counselor-National Association of Forensic Counselors -Clinically Certified Trauma Professional, Level II-International Trauma Training Institute -Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor-National Board for Certified Counselors -The creator of SNAP (Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities) educational recovery series for survivors, loved ones and professionals. -Director & Supervisor, Clermont Mental Health Disclaimer: This content is intended for educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for mental health treatment. It is important for survivors of abuse to find mental health professionals who understand trauma and abusive relationships. Please seek support from trusted and trained practitioners. This content is not meant to be used by anyone as diagnostic criteria. Permissions have not been granted for anyone to utilize this material as a source to make allegations about specific individuals. Any online content produced by SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities, Clermont Mental Health or Mandy Friedman LPCC-S is an educational discussion about narcissism which is a descriptive term for tendencies and behavioral patterns. Individuals with narcissistic features or tendencies do not necessarily meet DSM diagnostic criteria. The terms narcissistic and narcissism are used as descriptions of tendencies and behaviors and are not meant as clinical terms.

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HBO's Succession: Roman Roy Season Three #hbosuccession #succession #romanroy #loganroy This video is the 18th episode to a larger project that examines the toxic family system of The Logan Family on the HBO series, Succession. This episode contains an analysis and themes which will be explored and highlighted as we focus on Roman Roy during Season Three of Succession. Our Website: https://www.clermontmentalhealth.care/ Email: info@clermontmentalhealth.care Text: 513-655-6911 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theofficialsnap FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/mfriedmanlpcc Mandy Friedman, LPCC-S, CCDVC, CCTP-II is a licensed professional clinical counselor, a certified clinical domestic violence counselor and a clinically certified trauma professional. Mandy is the creator of the educational recovery program SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities. This program teaches survivors and concerned loved ones about abusive personalities, targets of abuse, abusive relationships and life in recovery from abuse. SNAP educational program of recovery helps empathic survivors of abuse fine tune and connect with their empathic nature in order to preserve, harness and protect the very things abusers seek to destroy. In her private practice, Clermont Mental Health, Mandy specializes in treating survivors of Cluster B personalities. She is also familiar with the role of addiction, substance abuse and self-harm in abusive relationships. Mandy's clients are often in need of trauma-informed care as part of their recovery. This has led her to specialize treating clients with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). To help her clients, Mandy utilizes mindfulness based cognitive therapy (MBCT), cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), psychoeducation and Polyvagal Theory. Mandy is a survivor of abuse and has first-hand knowledge of what survivors endure in abusive circumstances and living a healthy life after abuse. Credentials: -Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor licensed in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana -Certified Domestic Violence Specialist-I National Anger Management Association -Clinically Certified Domestic Violence Counselor-National Association of Forensic Counselors -Clinically Certified Trauma Professional, Level II-International Trauma Training Institute -Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor-National Board for Certified Counselors -The creator of SNAP (Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities) educational recovery series for survivors, loved ones and professionals. -Director & Supervisor, Clermont Mental Health Disclaimer: This content is intended for educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for mental health treatment. It is important for survivors of abuse to find mental health professionals who understand trauma and abusive relationships. Please seek support from trusted and trained practitioners. This content is not meant to be used by anyone as diagnostic criteria. Permissions have not been granted for anyone to utilize this material as a source to make allegations about specific individuals. Any online content produced by SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities, Clermont Mental Health or Mandy Friedman LPCC-S is an educational discussion about narcissism which is a descriptive term for tendencies and behavioral patterns. Individuals with narcissistic features or tendencies do not necessarily meet DSM diagnostic criteria. The terms narcissistic and narcissism are used as descriptions of tendencies and behaviors and are not meant as clinical terms.

SPOILER ALERT: WATCH ENTIRE SERIES FIRST This video is the eleventh episode to a larger project that examines the toxic family system of The Logan Family on the HBO series, Succession. This episode contains an analysis and themes which will be explored and highlighted as we focus on the character of Roman Roy during Season Two of Succession. Website: clermontmentalhealth.com Email: info@clermontmentalhealth.care Text: 513-655-6911 Instagram: @theofficialsnap FB Page: @mfriedmanlpcc Twitter: @mfriedmanlpcc 0:00 Intro 02:21 Awkward Dinner 03:55 Business Kindergarten 10:02 "Bad" Sex 14:32 Narcissistic Amnesia 17:15 Never Good Enough 21:07 Re-Traumatization 24:25 Gross Intimacy 29:55 Human Being Moment 32:10 Connor Roy Mandy Friedman, LPCC-S, CCDVC, CCTP-II is a licensed professional clinical counselor, a certified clinical domestic violence counselor and a clinically certified trauma professional. Mandy is the creator of the educational recovery program SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities. This program teaches survivors and concerned loved ones about abusive personalities, targets of abuse, abusive relationships and life in recovery from abuse. SNAP educational program of recovery helps empathic survivors of abuse fine tune and connect with their empathic nature in order to preserve, harness and protect the very things abusers seek to destroy. In her private practice, Clermont Mental Health, Mandy specializes in treating survivors of Cluster B personalities. She is also familiar with the role of addiction, substance abuse and self-harm in abusive relationships. Mandy's clients are often in need of trauma-informed care as part of their recovery. This has led her to specialize treating clients with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). To help her clients, Mandy utilizes mindfulness based cognitive therapy (MBCT), cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), psychoeducation and Polyvagal Theory. Mandy is a survivor of abuse and has first-hand knowledge of what survivors endure in abusive circumstances and living a healthy life after abuse. Credentials: -Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor licensed in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana -Certified Domestic Violence Specialist-I National Anger Management Association -Clinically Certified Domestic Violence Counselor-National Association of Forensic Counselors -Clinically Certified Trauma Professional, Level II-International Trauma Training Institute -Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor-National Board for Certified Counselors -The creator of SNAP (Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities) educational recovery series for survivors, loved ones and professionals. -Director & Supervisor, Clermont Mental Health Disclaimer: This content is intended for educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for mental health treatment. It is important for survivors of abuse to find mental health professionals who understand trauma and abusive relationships. Please seek support from trusted and trained practitioners. This content is not meant to be used by anyone as diagnostic criteria. Permissions have not been granted for anyone to utilize this material as a source to make allegations about specific individuals. Any online content produced by SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities, Clermont Mental Health or Mandy Friedman LPCC-S is an educational discussion about narcissism which is a descriptive term for tendencies and behavioral patterns. Individuals with narcissistic features or tendencies do not necessarily meet DSM diagnostic criteria. The terms narcissistic and narcissism are used as descriptions of tendencies and behaviors and are not meant as clinical terms.

On the version of Hot off the Wire posted Jan. 15 at 7:15 a.m. CT: A dangerous Arctic blast will continue sweeping across the U.S. and prolong a bitter cold that has set record-low temperatures in parts of the country and threatens to further disrupt daily life, including an NFL playoff game and the first-in-the-nation presidential nominating contest in Iowa. JERUSALEM (AP) — Yemen's Houthi rebels have fired an anti-ship cruise missile toward an American destroyer in the Red Sea. The American military says a U.S. fighter jet shot the missile down in the latest attack roiling global shipping amid Israel's war with Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The attack on Sunday marks the first U.S.-acknowledged fire by the Houthis since America and allied nations began strikes Friday on the rebels following weeks of assaults on shipping in the Red Sea. TOKYO (AP) — Some schools have reopened and limited garbage collection has resumed in Japan's northcentral region of Noto that was hit by the deadly New Year's Day earthquake. Monday's developments were signs of slight improvement in the devastation that thousands of people still face in the area. The magnitude 7.6 earthquake on Jan. 1 left 222 people dead and more than 20 are still missing. ISLAMABAD (AP) — UNICEF says almost 100,000 children in Afghanistan direly need support, three months after earthquakes devastated the west of the country. A 6.3-magnitude earthquake shook Herat province on Oct. 7 and a second strong quake struck the same province days later, leaving more than 1,000 dead.  The Wild Card games in the NFL continue to live up their name with two more games Sunday, players and coaches are coming and going on the collegiate level and a wild finish in the NBA. Also, J.J. McCarthy is entering NFL draft, skipping his senior season after leading Michigan to a national title. WASHINGTON (AP) — The IRS says it has collected an additional $360 million in overdue taxes from delinquent millionaires. The collection happens as IRS leadership tries to promote the latest work it has done to modernize the agency with Democrats' Inflation Reduction Act funding. WASHINGTON (AP) — In a new twist in the abortion access fight, congressional Republicans are trying to block a Biden administration spending rule that they say will cut off millions of dollars to anti-abortion counseling centers. The rule would prohibit states from sending federal funds earmarked for needy Americans to so-called “crisis pregnancy centers,” which counsel against abortions. BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — The U.S. Homeland Security Department says Texas denied federal agents access to a stretch of border when they were trying to rescue three migrants who drowned. The federal government's account came hours after U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar said the Texas Military Department and Texas National Guard “did not grant access to Border Patrol agents to save the migrants” Friday night. NEW YORK (AP) — A lawyer for a columnist who last year won a $5 million jury award against Donald Trump for sex abuse and defamation says the former president's recent behavior shows he'll try to “sow chaos” when a new jury considers if he owes even more in damages. The attorney, Roberta Kaplan, asked a judge Friday to take strong measures to ensure Trump can't taint a jury that will consider whether columnist E. Jean Carroll should get more money. MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Fox News has stopped running MyPillow commercials in a payment dispute with chief executive and election denier Mike Lindell. Fox says it would be happy to accept MyPillow ads again once their account is paid. Losing Fox was just the latest in a series of financial and legal setbacks for Minnesota-based MyPillow and Lindell, who continues to propagate former President Donald Trump's lies that the 2020 election was stolen. Winter storms and cinema closures in North America didn't dampen the opening weekend for “Mean Girls.” The Paramount release was adapted from the Broadway musical and the 2004 Tina Fey movie. Fey returned to write and co-star in the new film. According to studio estimates Sunday, it earned $28 million in its first three days in theaters. LOS ANGELES (AP) — They're four months late, but the Emmys have finally arrived. The 75th Primetime Emmy Awards will be held in Los Angeles on Monday night, hosted by Anthony Anderson and airing on Fox. The Television Academy has ranked the 75 Most Impactful Television Moments. At the top of the list released Friday is the 1969 Apollo moon landing. It also includes Martin Luther King Jr's “I Have a Dream” speech from 1963 and the Beatles' first appearance on American TV in 1964.  NEW YORK (AP) — Someday soon, someone will be walking down the street proudly carrying a ludicrously capacious bag, bought for a ludicrously capacious price. The voluminous Burberry tote is one of the most famous props used on “Succession,” the famed HBO saga of the Roy family dynasty, and it sold at auction Saturday for $18,750. But the priciest item was a set of pink index cards containing Roman Roy's eulogy notes for his father's funeral that went for $25,000. NEW YORK (AP) — “The Honeymooners” star Joyce Randolph, who played Ed Norton's sarcastic wife Trixie, has died. She was 99. Randolph died of natural causes Saturday night at her home on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, her son Randolph Charles told The Associated Press Sunday. She was the last surviving main character of the beloved comedy from television's golden age of the 1950s. Quaker Oats has expanded a December recall of more than 40 products that may be contaminated with salmonella. Two dozen additional types of granola bars, cereals and snack foods are now being recalled. The foods could be tainted with the bacteria that can cause fever, diarrhea, nausea and stomach pain. In rare cases, salmonella infections can lead to hospitalization and death. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not confirmed any illnesses related to the products. BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — A federal lawsuit alleges that the bodies of two men who died while incarcerated in Alabama prisons were missing organs when returned to their families. Brandon Clay Dotson died in a state prison in November. His family filed a federal lawsuit last month against the Alabama Department of Corrections.  JERUSALEM (AP) — The White House says “it's the right time” for Israel to scale back its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, even as Israeli leaders vow to intensify their operation against the territory's ruling Hamas militant group. The U.S. comments on Sunday exposed the growing differences between the close allies on the 100th day of the war.  In this week's religion roundup, a secret tunnel under a synagogue sparks a brawl with police, and the "Book of Clarence" offers a creative take on the time of Christ. —The Associated Press About this program Host Terry Lipshetz is managing editor of the national newsroom for Lee Enterprises. 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SPOILER ALERT: WATCH ENTIRE SERIES FIRST This video is the fourth episode to a larger project that examines the toxic family system of The Logan Family on the HBO series, Succession. This episode contains an analysis and themes which will be explored and highlighted as we focus on the character of Roman Roy during Season One of Succession. 0:00 Intro 3:11 Abusive Childhood 5:57 Intimacy Problems 9:55 Narcissistic Amnesia & Denial 13:13 Callousness & Cruelty 17:13 Summary ⁠⁠⁠Website: www.clermontmentalhealth.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email: snap@clermontmentalhealth.care Text: 513-655-6101 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: @theofficialsnap FB Page: @mfriedmanlpcc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SNAP FB Group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter: @mfriedmanlpcc Mandy Friedman, LPCC-S, CCDVC, CCTP-II, CCMHC is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor, a Certified Clinical Domestic Violence Counselor, a Clinically Certified Trauma Professional and a Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor. Mandy is the creator of the educational recovery program SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities. This program teaches survivors and concerned loved ones about abusive personalities, targets of abuse, abusive relationships and life in recovery from abuse. SNAP educational program of recovery helps empathic survivors of abuse fine tune and connect with their empathic nature in order to preserve, harness and protect the very things abusers seek to destroy. In her private practice, Clermont Mental Health, Mandy specializes in treating survivors of Cluster B personalities. She is also familiar with the role of addiction, substance abuse and self-harm in abusive relationships. Mandy's clients are often in need of trauma-informed care as part of their recovery. This has led her to specialize treating clients with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). To help her clients, Mandy utilizes mindfulness based cognitive therapy (MBCT), cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), psychoeducation and Polyvagal Theory. Mandy is a survivor of abuse and has first-hand knowledge of what survivors endure in abusive circumstances and living a healthy life after abuse. Disclaimer: This content is intended for educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for mental health treatment. It is important for survivors of abuse to find mental health professionals who understand trauma and abusive relationships. Please seek support from trusted and trained practitioners. This content is not meant to be used by anyone as diagnostic criteria. Permissions have not been granted for anyone to utilize this material as a source to make allegations about specific individuals. Any online content produced by SNAP: Survivors of Narcissistic & Abusive Personalities, Clermont Mental Health or Mandy Friedman LPCC-S is an educational discussion about narcissism which is a descriptive term for tendencies and behavioral patterns. Individuals with narcissistic features or tendencies do not necessarily meet DSM diagnostic criteria. The terms narcissistic and narcissism are used as descriptions of tendencies and behaviors and are not meant as clinical terms. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mandy-friedman-lpcc/support

In today's episode, Bri talks about the role of Sagittarius in astrology. Are Sag's the Roman Roy's of the zodiac??? Why are they so bossy???? Did Taylor Swift write "The Archer" because she's a Sagittarius????Instagram: @tohpazzzTiktok: @tohpazzzTo book a personal reading visit www.tohpaz.com OR email tohpazzz@gmail.com

In this episode I speak about watching two Broadway Musicals: MJ and Back to the Future!  I also speak about watching the HBO series, Succession and wrap it up with another addition to our legendary segment “GOATs doing GOAT $hit” where we celebrate the true champions of greatness and highlight the phenomenal achievements of extraordinary individuals.   The Spun Today Podcast is a Podcast that is anchored in Writing, but unlimited in scope.  Give it a whirl.    Twitter: https://twitter.com/spuntoday Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spuntoday/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@spuntoday    Website: http://www.spuntoday.com/home Newsletter: http://www.spuntoday.com/subscribe   Links referenced in this episode: MJ the Musical: https://newyork.mjthemusical.com/ Michael Jackson - Dangerous Diary MTV 1992 HD: https://youtu.be/OWC5uPK93fE?si=MQpzBldf_k9gqxoO   Back to the Future the Musical: https://www.backtothefuturemusical.com/new-york/   Succession: https://www.hbo.com/succession/season-1   Rebirth of a Bad Boy: Diddy Explains Handing Over Publishing Rights & Reveals His ‘Total Truth' https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/rebirth-of-a-bad-boy-diddy-explains-handing-over-publishing-rights-reveals-his-total-truth/ar-AA1gEX69   Get your Podcast Started Today! https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=SPUN (Use Promo code SPUN and get up to 2-months of free service!)   Check out all the Spun Today Merch, and other ways to help support this show! https://www.spuntoday.com/support   Check out my Books: Make Way for You – Tips for getting out of your own way & FRACTAL – A Time Travel Tale http://www.spuntoday.com/books/ (e-Book & Paperback are now available).   Fill out my Spun Today Questionnaire if you're passionate about your craft.  I'll share your insight and motivation on the Podcast: http://www.spuntoday.com/questionnaire/    Shop on Amazon using this link, to support the Podcast: http://www.amazon.com//ref=as_sl_pc_tf_lc?&tag=sputod0c-20&camp=216797&creative=446321&linkCode=ur1&adid=104DDN7SG8A2HXW52TFB&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spuntoday.com%2Fcontact%2F   Shop on iTunes using this link, to support the Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewTop?genreId=38&id=27820&popId=42&uo=10   Shop at the Spun Today store for Mugs, T-Shirts and more: https://viralstyle.com/store/spuntoday/tonyortiz   Background Music: Autumn 2011 - Loxbeats   Outro Background Music: https://www.bensound.com   Spun Today Logo by: https://www.naveendhanalak.com/   Sound effects are credited to: http://www.freesfx.co.uk   Listen on: iTunes | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | Google Podcasts | YouTube | Website   EPISODE TRANSCRIPT [00:00:00] What up? What up, folks? What's going on? Welcome to the Spun Today podcast, the only podcast that is anchored in writing, but unlimited in scope. I'm your host, Tony Ortiz, and I appreciate you listening. This is episode 243 of the Spun Today podcast. And in this episode, I speak about two Broadway musicals, which I can't believe I took this long to mention them, especially for one in particular. So definitely stay tuned for that. I also speak about watching the Succession Series. An HBO series that I was definitely late to, but had the added benefit of being late in that it allowed me to binge the entire series. And lastly, I wrap it up with another addition to our legendary segment goats doing goat shit where we celebrate the true champions of greatness and highlight the phenomenal achievements of extraordinary individuals. Stay tuned for all that good stuff. But first I wanted to tell you [00:01:00] guys about a. Quick way that you can help support the spun today podcast. Your support is greatly appreciated. Not only can it help out financially to help keep the lights on in good old spun today studios, but it definitely adds fuel to the motivational fire that I rely on to continue putting out episodes. And even more importantly, finding time to write. Nay, making time to write. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you to each and one of you, to each and every one of you that have shown your support to date. And thank in advance to each of you that will show support in the future. Here is one quick way that you can help support the Spun Today podcast. Definitely stay tuned for the outro of the episode where I'll tell you about a bunch of other ways that you can show your support. But here is one of those ways. And we'll jump right into the episode. The first musical that I wanted to tell you guys about was MJ, the [00:02:00] musical. Here is the official synopsis. He's one of the greatest entertainers of all time. Now, Michael Jackson's unique and unparalleled artistry has finally arrived on Broadway in a brand new musical centered around the making of his 1992 dangerous world tour. And created by Tony award winning director, choreographer, Christopher And two time Pulitzer Prize winner Lynn Nottage, MJ goes beyond the singular moves and signature sound of the star, offering a rare look at the creative mind and collaborative spirit that catapulted Jackson into legendary status. I went to check this out with my best friend, Steven. Shout out to Steven's Spun Today alumni, who has been on the pod several times in the past. We thought it would be cool to check out. You know, kid touching and molestation and all that, which has obviously [00:03:00] tarnished Michael Jackson and how we view him, all that aside. And I know in and of itself, it's like a controversial topic where some folks are like, no, they're all 100 percent rumors and nothing like that ever happened. Nothing was ever proven in court. And then the other folks on the other side where say. You know, the rumors have been rumors for decades for a reason. It's all true. It was even worse. I know the audience is split when it comes to that. From an artistic body of work perspective, he's obviously, as the little synopsis says there, one of the most legendary entertainers of all time. Now from attending and, you know, watching this musical, And for someone who likes going to like Broadway plays and musicals and enjoys that genre of art and acting and singing and stuff like that as a consumer, from that perspective, [00:04:00] we had a great time. And Michael Jackson in his heyday, I was a kid for that, a little kid, but I obviously know his music and his body of work and I think you'd be hard pressed not to find. Or to find someone that wasn't aware of any of it, but I obviously never saw him live or anything like that going to see this play, though, the way they did it, you definitely get that experience, albeit at a much smaller scale, but you definitely get the, like, you feel you're watching Michael Jackson. That's how good of a performance, not just the Michael Jackson characters did with it. But just the entire cast and the world that they built and created around it. And from a storytelling perspective, it was interesting how they did it. Because it is this very, and I guess, makes sense. In terms of it being like a deliberate conscious [00:05:00] move to do it this way. So you don't have to bring in a lot of like the things we know about Michael now. The allegations and court cases and... Drug abuse and, and stuff like that. So they didn't have to bring too much of that into the story because again, from a storytelling perspective, it's a very myopic focused view of his time around his 1992 dangerous world tour, which is his biggest tour ever. One of the biggest tours ever. And it was chronicling, the buildup to that, all the practice sessions. And how he was as an artist getting ready for that performance. And in the play, there is an MTV crew that was given access to chronicle this whole thing to do a, a piece on, you know, this very much anticipated world tour, which was based on true events that MTV [00:06:00] piece. Actually exists and I'll link to it in the episode notes for you guys to check out. So we got to see this interesting view of. That MTV camera crew. Trying to put together their creative vision of this documentary. While also getting close enough. Access to Michael Jackson to see his inner workings and stuff like that and picking up on. Certain things like. The beginnings of his drug addictions, which we know now ultimately led to his death in that he had a private doctor giving him shots or like IVs of trim butyral or something like that. I forget the exact medication name of what he ultimately died of, but it's supposed to be a strong ass, sleep aid. And so much so that he was getting that shit [00:07:00] injected on a nightly basis just to be able to try to get some sleep. And ultimately that's what he died of. And the doctor that was prescribing him the medication wanted him to go to jail for a few years and losing his medical license, I believe. But in the play, it shows him getting drugs from his manager or other folks like that were part of the stage team. I think it was his manager. And you get some insight into the all too common story of, you know, people in positions of power, whether it's in our music, politics, whatever, just having a circle of yes men and women around them that do what they want and don't really check them. And we saw that through the lens of, again, the beginnings of his drug addiction. And we also saw that same dynamic playing out with his financial team and how he wanted to pay for [00:08:00] this over the top concert and do like never before happened things like him being shot out of not a cannon, but something that shoots, shoots him out and onto the stage and him running out of money. And then Pushing his accountant and his financial team to mortgage Neverland Ranch, where he lived just to continue funding this artistic vision that he had, even though all the financial folks around him, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors warned him against it, he still ultimately got his way, i. e. via these yes men. So that was definitely interesting to see. They also showed. A direct correlation between his abusive childhood with how Joseph Jackson, the father was always depicted as, you know, being super, super hard stage dad, forcing them to practice [00:09:00] all the kids when they were the Jackson five for hours and hours on end, no breaks, didn't really have a childhood. You know, they had fame when they were young. So they didn't have a, you know, especially Michael being the youngest. Of them, of the Jackson 5, or second youngest, I believe. But never really having a childhood, or traditional childhood. They showed correlations of that, instilled hard work ethic. And they kind of papered over the, physical abuse in the play. With how hard Michael Jackson was on his crew and the choreographers and everything. And the dance team around him and how they were all exhausted and he would force them to to work hours on end just like his dad did to him and kind of showing that traumatic shift, trauma shift of, you know, him being the recipient of that and then dishing it out as he got older in the same exact way [00:10:00] and then seeing himself as, you know, becoming his father in that sense. But the play did a great job in also showing different. Stages within Michael Jackson's life, they showed him as a child, you know, as a flashback scene, because the entire thing again takes place around him working up to this dangerous world tour and being interviewed by the MTV crew and them filming and interviewing him in between rehearsals, etc. But while they were interviewing him, he would flash back and tell stories of childhood, of his mother and his father, Jackson 5, transitioning, going solo. And you got to see different actors, which did a phenomenal job of playing Michael Jackson. Now we did go on an off day, I think it was like a Tuesday or Wednesday. So every cast member, including Michael Jackson, wasn't necessarily the best. Number ones, if you will. I believe the young Michael [00:11:00] was, but I don't believe the middle Michael that they showed as well as the older Michael Jackson that's being interviewed. I think he was also the understudy, but I mean, these are all top tier phenomenal actors, right? All did an amazing job. And we got to hear all the hits, all Michael Jackson's hits, all Jackson five hits. And it really did feel like a Michael Jackson concert experience as a narrative choice. Again, it does seem to me to have been a deliberate choice to tell this story from a specific point in time. And in doing so not have to, or I guess they had the ability to paper over all the negatives that we know of Michael, like the drug abuse and child molestation allegations, so on and so forth. So you definitely lose something historically. From that perspective, but as a piece of [00:12:00] entertainment, we do wind up enjoying a shitload of music and just how they put the musical together. It was definitely an entertaining watch. And I definitely recommend it. MJ the musical, check it out back to the future. The musical, if you guys know anything about me, I am a huge, Back to the Future fan. I've spoken about the movie multiple times. I've highlighted how the screenplay for Back to the Future 1 is considered a perfect screenplay and I think it's taught in theater classes. It's my personal favorite trilogy of any genre, any movies, all time. And I've also said, controversial to some, that it's one of the rare occasions where the sequel, Back to the Future 2. is even better than the first movie. And I know that's blasphemous for some folks to hear. And even I myself go back and forth [00:13:00] between that thought from time to time. But just from the creativity of it alone to delve back into the first movie through the second movie and find ways to tie into the first movie, And make things that already existed within the first movie, make them that way because of the actions of the second movie, which was filmed and created. I think it was something like five years later. It's just fucking amazing from, from that standpoint. And I'm such a fan that my debut novel fractal Available now, SpunToday. com forward slash books, so you can find all the links of all the different places where you can find it. Back to the Future is an inspiration for that story. It is a time travel tale, as I like to say. Furthermore, I dedicated that book to my first [00:14:00] born Aiden, and the quote, the very first quote after the dedication section of the book, is a quote. From back to the future, part one from George McFly to Marty McFly, stating, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish absolutely anything in him speaking to writing his first novel. So there's a complete tie in on multiple levels there. I fucking love it. I literally have a life size replica of the hoverboard immediately to my left right now. That said, I signed up, or, like, I follow all the different Back to the Future fan pages, official, unofficial. And I saw months before that they were developing the musical. I also subscribed to a bunch of different newsletters having to do with Back to the Future and the DMC newsletter, even from the DeLorean Motor Company. And I signed up to be alerted when the pre sales went on, [00:15:00] and I bought these tickets months in advance, I think something like seven months in advance. That's how much I was anticipating going. So I copped the tickets and my wife and I, shout out to Zoila, sponsored alum, went to go see it and had an amazing time. Being such a fan holding, I'm both holding the musical to a very high bar. I don't want them to fuck it up while at the same time being completely biased and knowing that I'll find a way to love it some way or another. So holding my love for the story. And the history of the film aside, as much as is humanly possible and attempting to be objective, I personally thought they knocked it out the park. Now they clearly didn't have, I'm not sure if Back to the Future, if it's old enough, I think it came out in 89, where the story itself is public domain or if they actually got the rights to [00:16:00] retell the story in this format. Because I don't believe that Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale were involved with the musical. I could be wrong, but I don't believe they were. And I wonder if certain choices that they made throughout the musical had to do with not having the full rights, or if they had to do with just trying to retell the story on the stage. Because although it was still very, very, very true to the original Back to the Future 1 film, which was another thing that I was curious about if they were going to try to encapsulate all three films within the musical, but it wasn't. It was just a retelling of the first one. But everything is not, you know, word for word, verbatim, although it does have a lot of the same key scenes. But then... Certain other key, certain other key scenes. For example, the famous skateboard [00:17:00] scene in front of the diner, when Biff and his crew chase Marty and wind up crashing into the manure truck and Marty's getting around the skateboard, they didn't redo that scene, but in its place, they kind of extend the scene of the lunchroom where. Marty first confronts Biff, you know, where they both kind of grab each other and make fists and they're about to punch each other, but then Strickland shows up and breaks it up, essentially. And Biff tells him, why don't you make like a tree and, and get out of here. They elongated that scene instead and made that the chase scene and made it so that Biff was chasing Marty throughout the lunchroom. He was jumping over tables and hitting him with lunch trays and running through the school. And they had an original musical number there. So they took certain liberties that way. I guess it was easier to do [00:18:00] it that way. If it wasn't a licensing issue or concern, it was easier, it must have been easier to put that together versus the actual skateboard scene and having multiple cars and etc. But it was something that I was curious about. It was kind of interactive in that, you know, like they had the enchantment on the the sea dance and during it when Marvin Barry and the Starlighters are playing Earth Angel there were in the actual theater there was Bubbles, there was a bubble machine or something. There was bubbles going all throughout so we were in the first few rows and you know, we could swat the bubbles and that kind of built the atmosphere around around the whole thing And of course he did the Johnny B. Good scene in terms of the cast, all phenomenal. The gentleman who plays doc killed it. Oh, and that was another thing also, they did not do the, you know, terrorist Libyan terrorist [00:19:00] shooting scene, which I guess to make it more PG they made it that doc was using the plutonium for the 1. 21 gigawatt reaction that he needs. Within the flux capacitor to make the time travel possible, but that he was using an old radiation suit, which wasn't completely insulated. And that's how he wound up dying initially versus getting shot by the terrorists. But yeah, the gentleman who played doc amazing, super funny, steals the show. The guy who plays Marty's spot on, did a great job. But the person who played Crispin Glover's character of George McFly dead on balls accurate to quote Marissa Tomei fucking amazing spot on like they could reshoot back to the future drop this gentleman in place of [00:20:00] Kristen Crispin Glover who legend has it was like an absolute asshole on set and that's why he wasn't in part two or three, but. Drop him into that role and you wouldn't tell the difference. He was amazing. Fucking awesome. The guy who played Biff was really good. Really looked the part. Which brings me to the number one star of the show. The DeLorean. They did it so ill that it looked like an actual real DeLorean that was up there. I guess they just, you know, it's just like the outsides or whatever, but it really looked like an actual replica real DeLorean. And it's obviously the moment that all the fans are anticipating the most, you know, when they first see the DeLorean, which they did the big reveal and like the same same way at Twin Pines mall, [00:21:00] which then becomes Lone Pines mall at the end when Marty runs over. Old Man Peabody's Pine Tree. Symbolizing how the littlest change in the past could affect have a ripple effect on the future. But they did an amazing job with the car itself and then with the actual time travel sequence. So the theater, the decor of it, can't also, this is how it also immersed the, the crowd aside from the bubbles thing from, from earlier. The decor. The balconies on the sides, on the left, on the left and the right, they were also part of the decor. Like there weren't people sitting in the seats there. Instead, they had this metal widgets and circuitry spanning all of the balconies. And during the time travel sequence, like when Marty accidentally goes back to 1955, all those start lighting up in different [00:22:00] colors and it's reminiscent of the flux capacitor and the lights around the actual DeLorean, which they also show and really immerse you and bring you into it in that way. And then at the end, which was even more amazing because they could have just done that again. They with like a crane or something, something you couldn't see, but some sort of lift, they lift up the DeLorean. For the scene where, you know, the clock tower scene when he's going back to the future. They lift up the DeLorean and push it forward into the crowd. So it's hovering above us almost. Like above, the first couple rows. Not completely, but just enough for it to be off of the stage. Can you imagine the fucking lawsuit that thing would have fallen or something? But obviously it was secure and it was just so ill the way they did it. And I couldn't have been happier with Back to the Future the musical. I definitely, definitely highly recommend.[00:23:00] If I have the chance to see it again, I definitely will. Tickets should be a lot more reasonable now. That's the only issue I had with it. Although I was willing to pay, so whatever. But apparently it's not doing well, or as well as anticipated. And the. Ticket prices. I checked the day of for my same seat and it Was like 40 percent less in terms of the actual pricing But that aside it was an amazing experience. I Loved every bit of it. If you're back to the future fan as I am you will too Back to the future the musical Check it out HBO's original series succession Is a series that ran from 2018 to 2023. Like I mentioned in the intro, I didn't start watching the series until 2023. Literally while the final season was, was airing. [00:24:00] So, that came with the benefit of being able to binge it and see it all the way through. But in terms of sharing some of my personal takeaways and tidbits here. It's it shows a bit out of the zeitgeist. And some references might be dated, but we'll share them nonetheless for posterity. Here is the official synopsis. The Roy family is known for controlling the biggest media and entertainment company in the world. However, their world changes when their father steps down from the company. And as we like to do here on the Spun Today podcast, I wanted to shout out each and every one of the writers, starting with the show's creator, Jesse Armstrong. Followed by Jamie Carragher, Susan Soon Hee Stanton, Alice Birch, Miriam Batty, She a Batty, she knows she a 10. Georgia Pritchett, Tony Roche, Nathan Elston, Callie Hirshaway, [00:25:00] John Brown, Will Tracy, Lucy Preble, Jonathan Glaser, Ted Cohen, Anna Jordan, Mary Laws, and Will Arbery. Shout out to each and every one of the writers on Succession who put together an amazing show. And I particularly want to shout out the, the writers in this particular series, because they took what is the embodiment of quote unquote evil rich people, you know, just like the vile borderline sociopathic Narcissistic archetype of, you know, the greedy, quote, unquote, greedy, rich people. And they made us, the viewers, through the strong characters that they created, that the writers created, and that the actors, which were phenomenal, and I'll speak to it in a minute, brought to life. They made us, as the audience, connect [00:26:00] with those characters, and in some cases, in a lot of cases, actually root for them to win. Which, if you take a step back and look at the ruthlessness with how they navigate the world with little to no care of who or how they affected others. When you look at it objectively through that lens, it's like, fuck these people. But since they're developed so richly as characters, and it's such a character driven show in my opinion. we still connect with them and root for them on a human level. And that I think is a testament again to just amazing writing. So shout out again to the writers there. Now the cast absolutely killed it. Kieran Culkin is one of my favorite characters. He plays Roman Roy, the youngest of the four children. Brian Cox is the matriarch, the Rupert Murdoch like character who [00:27:00] created this Conglomerate multi billion dollar company. He's just amazing. Tom Wombs Gans played by Matthew McFadden. Such a cool character. Very selfish. It turns out as, as all of them have traits of selfishness, but he was in it for himself from the jump and. He plays possum throughout, so much so that he's married to Shiv Roy, the daughter, played by Sarah Snook, also does a great job, but she's like a, you know, princess, always gets what she wants, kinda has the quote unquote trophy husband, cheats on him, and he just takes it all, and his character is such that you hate him at first, so. because he's such a pushover and you're like yo stand up for yourself you fucking pussy then you wind up rooting for [00:28:00] him then you wind up finding out that either he's been running a game the entire time or he just got caught up in it and began running a game somewhere along the line and became fed up great characters both in real life British I believe it's a good job with the American accents there Same as Logan Logan Roy's character, Brian Cox. And by British, that's just my dumb American interpretation of their accent. You know, it could be Australian, Zealand, or who knows. Conroy, the eldest half brother played by Alan Ruck. Shout out to Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Really cool character. Shout out to the Conheads out there. Jeremy Strong. Not the eldest, but the eldest of the full siblings of the three, you know, Kieran Culkin's character, Sarah Snook's character, and himself, Kendall Roy. He was the heir to the throne, if you will. And in the very [00:29:00] first episode, which sets the stage for the entire series, the first half of the episode is him going through The process of getting ready to take over the company because the father had announced his retirement. He was gonna step down Kendall Roy is gonna take over and in that very first episode the father winds up Literally fucking him over and saying nah, I changed my mind. He's like, wait, what my You changed your mind. I'm supposed to take over next week. He was like now let's give it a couple more years I decided to stay on He was like, but we announced it to the world and the, you know, it's a publicly traded company and the stock and this and that and blah blah blah. He was like, yeah, that's all bullshit. Don't worry about it. And you have this tension within the family always throughout the entire series of the son trying to take over from the father, the father trying to maintain control, the father getting sick, the other siblings trying to vie for control, sometimes being on the same page with each other, most of the time not, and just like this complete [00:30:00] dysfunction. And it was such an interesting, family dynamic that really keeps you hooked. I also thought it was particularly interesting the way that the show was shot. And I got this from some of the, not behind the scenes, but the extras of the show where they, you know, interview different characters and they also have a podcast, et cetera. So I don't remember if it's from one of the extras or from the actual podcast, but one of the directors, I think the main one Mark Millard. Maybe it was Jesse Armstrong, the creator of the show, but they were breaking down how they shot in a way where they zoom in to the actual characters for emotional exclamation points. So they called it. And you notice that throughout the entire series where they'll, you know, they'll shoot a scene and then. For the character reaction, they'll zoom in to the character's face, which is pretty interesting. And he also mentioned that on set, they [00:31:00] always kept live cameras around so that the art, the actors themselves, they didn't know when they were being shot or not. So it forced them essentially to stay in character. And he likened it to filming theater, similar to when you go see a play. How all the characters, as long as they're on stage, they're in character, you know, that whether they're the main focus of a scene or not, or a background character, they're always doing something. They're always on, if you will, then I'm going to jump to in season two, episode 10, I jetted down here. There was a dope line that Logan Roy said again, the matriarch of the family played by Brian Cox, and he was speaking to money and wealth and how most things don't exist. Or companies rather. And he said that the Ford motor company hardly exists. He said that it's just a time saving expression for a collection of financial [00:32:00] interests. Again, all the Ford motor company was to this psychopath was just a time saving expression for a collection of financial interests. I thought that was such an interesting way, such a financially motivated lens to view the world through. And I just love the way that was phrased. All the four Ford Motor Company is, is just a time saving expression for a collection of financial interests. Jesus. There's a lot of double crossing in the show the siblings with each other, the father to the, to the kids, the kids to the father. There's a point in the season two finale where you think Kendall is going to rise to the occasion and, you know, be the heir to the throne that the father, [00:33:00] you know, wants him to be, that is grooming him to be. But he winds up double crossing his father again, as he did multiple times throughout the series. And I thought it was interesting that he had a lot of ups and downs, you know, he had addiction issues in the show. They reference all the time that he had a stint in rehab. And just from a mindset perspective, he was always either completely out of it and crying and in the dumps or completely manic and on the fucking ball. He reminded me a lot of Kanye. And or the public version of Kanye that we've been seeing in. You know, recent news and media cycles and all the drama around the Kardashians and all that shit and his manic episodes. That's what he was reminiscent of to me. I loved the relationship between two main characters, both outsiders of the family in their own right, which was Tom Wamskantz, which I [00:34:00] mentioned earlier, which was the husband of the daughter, Shiv Roy. His relationship with Greg Hirsch, played by Nicholas Braun, which is a second cousin, extended cousin to the family that they barely know, but that works his way into the fold and Tom brings him under his wing kind of because he sees himself in, in Greg in some ways, you know, being an outsider of the family, but also because he wants to have someone to have power over. And he finally found someone lower than him on the totem pole, if you will, within this family structure. And they just have a back and forth, funny, quippy, really interesting dynamic throughout the entire series. And I'll wrap it up with a, a line of dialogue from Alan Ruck's character, Connor Roy, when it spoiler alert, this happened in season four, episode seven. But Connor, who decides to run for president, out of all things, of the [00:35:00] United States, and Kieran Culkin's character, Roman Roy, hilariously tells him, don't you think you should try for something smaller first? You know, maybe like running a CVS or something? But Connor gets himself in a position where... essentially his actual, you know, the two rivals for, for president, the Democrat and the Republican running, they're neck and neck, like razor sharp, you know, 49 percent to 49 percent margins. And Connor is polling at like 1 percent or something like that. It's something, something sick that pretty much put him in a position to make a deal with one of the other guys where he would drop out of the race and His supporters would vote for that person, and that person would essentially become the, the president. And he's trying to see what he can get, you know, what position he could get from the person that would ultimately win. And one of them offers him to be the diplomat of Alman, which is a [00:36:00] country that I had never heard of. And he tells him that it's an interesting thought. He'll, he'll definitely mull it over. And that Oman is the poor man's Saudi Arabia and the rich man's Yemen. And again, I just thought what an interesting way to view the world and view things. But yeah, yo succession dope show. I definitely recommend you guys check it out if you're into that type of thing. It's supposed to be loosely based on Rupert Murdoch and you know, Fox news, that type of billion dollar conglomerate company and the tension and dynamics. Within his children, for example Rupert Murdoch, I think I've spoken about here on the past. One of them is like liberal, liberal leaning, which is kind of like Shiv's character in succession. And the other one is very conservative. Then they're both vying for succession of Fox, for example. So this show is loosely based on that, or at the very least, it's like one of those are imitates life imitates art type of things. [00:37:00] But that is my little recap and review on Succession, streaming now on HBO Max. Check it out. Goat doing goat shit. And I want to create a drop for, specific to this segment of the podcast because it is a recurring one. And I have some things that I've been tinkering with and working on. But speaking it aloud to see if I can hold myself to task because I've been meaning to do that, , forever. I just haven't gotten around to it, but the goats doing goat shit segment is a segment where I like to celebrate the true champions of greatness and highlight the phenomenal achievements of extraordinary individuals, especially when they do things that they do not have to do. And in this episode's edition of goats doing goat shit, I'd like to welcome none other Then Sean P. Diddy Combs to the list. Now, for the longest time, and still, [00:38:00] Puffy is known as being a ruthless businessman, if you will. Someone who hustled and busted his ass and built and created bad boy entertainment, which has brought us countless acts and music that we all love to this day. And many, many artists, but one thing that he did in building his empire from the ground up was recreate the, what some may say myself included, archaic, traditional, let's call them music artist deals, where the label that signs an artist winds up owning their publishing their masters, essentially making the lion's share of the money that is to be made from the art created by the actual artist. And the artist is often times in doing this type of bad business left fending for scraps. And music artists, [00:39:00] historically, this has happened to across different genres since the beginning of time. Some but few and far between have had more savvy, you know, teams and lawyers and sound financial advice around them and just the foresight of ownership. of your creation, being able to reap the benefits of it in perpetuity versus, you know, taking a bigger bag up front, but then never being able to profit from it down the line. So that's definitely been the biggest knock, in my opinion, on, on Puffy over the years in this respect. As of September of 2023, it became public that Puffy was returning his publishing rights. Which, by the way, he did not legally have to do. Returning the publishing rights to the artists and songwriters that helped him build Bad Boy Entertainment. Folks like Ma$e, which was the most vocal, [00:40:00] and actually recently dropped, and by recently I mean within the last year or two, diss tracks and did a lot of interviews and references to all of this, which are actually pretty good. Faith, The Locks, which is another vocal components of, you know, Puffy's business practices, 112, and the estate of Biggie, the Notorious B. I. G. They are all getting, or have gotten, their publishing back because the paperwork and agreements have all been signed and are actually finalized. And according to Puffy, in an interview that he gave to Billboard. He had a lot of offers back in like 2021 when, you know, like folks like Justin Timberlake and Shakira and a lot of folks were selling their, their publishing, their, their catalogs for like a hundred million dollars, $300 million, et cetera. He got an offer, an alleged nine figure [00:41:00] offer. To purchase his catalog, which included all the publishing that he owned, owned legally from all these artists. And that's when he supposedly decided to not sell and give the publishing back to the respective artists. It just took a lot of time between then and now to actually execute the legal documentation, etc. But I thought that was a dope move. It wasn't something that he had to legally do. Did Puffy make, over the decades, a shitload of money off everybody's catalog? Yes, of course he did. Was he legally correct to do so? Yes, he was. Whether it was ethical or moral or not, and hypocritical in some sense, those are all valid criticisms in my opinion, but he wasn't technically or legally... it wasn't something he had to do. So I definitely applaud him for doing [00:42:00] so. I'm always of the mentality of just own your shit and be of the mindset that if someone, a publishing company, a label, if you're in music, a publishing company, if you're in, you know, writing or creating different types of art, a platform, et cetera, if they're coming to you with a bag, To purchase outright, whatever it is that you created big bag, small bag, whatever. They would also pay you for just licensing it. It'll be a smaller bag, but in my opinion, and I'm not the fucking Messiah here, but in my opinion, if you're offering me a big bag to just own my shit outright, it's because you from a financial standpoint, believe that you're going to make that money back and more over time. So it would also be a sound business move from your perspective to license [00:43:00] it for a smaller bag for a shorter period of time, because you will also make your money back within that shorter period of time. And then some, and in that type of scenario, you keep your shit then afterwards, license it out to someone else, make money off of it yourself, maintain the ownership. So you could do whatever it is that you want with it in the future. Turn your book into a movie, turn it into a TV series after that, do both at the same time, turn it into a fucking VR spectacle that hasn't even been created yet, but will exist in 10, 15 years. And since you have the ownership of your IP, you could do that instead of handing it over for a bit bigger bag now, and then the company that purchased it from you. Maintains that ability moving forward. So again, with that said, I'd like to welcome Sean P. Diddy Combs officially onto the Spuntoday goats doing goat shit list. [00:44:00] And that folks was episode 243 of the Spuntoday podcast. Thank each and every one of you very much for listening. I really, really appreciate it. Before I let you go, just wanted to tell you guys about a Few quick ways that you can help support the spun today podcast. If you so choose, you continue support is amazing. I appreciate it very, very much. Whether you're using my affiliate link to shop on Amazon, which you can find that spun today. com forward slash support, or you're buying t shirts or coffee mugs or my books sponsored. com forward slash books, or using any of my affiliate links that all can be found that spun today. com forward slash support. Which will get you a discount on whatever said thing that it is that you're looking for that I have an affiliate link for. Whichever way you choose to support, it means a ton. I really, really appreciate it and just wanted to say thank you. Here's a breakdown of a few of the different ways you can help support the [00:45:00] Spun Today podcast if you so choose. And I'll check you all out next time. Peace.

0:00 -- Intro. *reference to our episodes reviewing Succession Season 1: E98 of this podcast (May 22, 2023) and Season 2: E102 (June 26, 2023).2:00 -- Start of interview. 3:50 -- About Sean Berkowitz and the Enron Case: prosecuting Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling (2006).7:05 -- On whistleblowers and avoiding retaliation. "Whistleblowers are one of the trickiest things you can deal with as counsel representing a corporation."11:05 --  Kendall's whistleblower scenario. Conducting internal investigations.15:02 -- On government relations and political interference with federal investigations. "It essentially doesn't work." "The discretion and judgment of a line prosecutor is always going to rule the day."17:22 -- Cooperating with Federal investigations. 21:12 -- The role of the board of a public company under federal investigation.22:52 -- On "shifting to legals", internal investigations by outside counsel, and creating a special committee of the board to remove conflicts of interest.29:16 -- Explaining joint defense agreements. The Archer-Daniels-Midland case (reference to movie The Informant).33:34 -- On the link between good governance and how shareholders value the company, including activists (Josh Aronson scene) and the proxy battle.43:36 -- On sexual harassment complaints (situation between Roman and Gerri involving explicit pictures). The factor of CEO succession and how the board should conduct their selection.50:30 -- On potential GoJo red flags and need for due diligence, including leadership assessment and kicking the tires on their numbers. What could/should board be doing in this situation?55:33 -- Dealing with moguls and founders like Lukas Matsson. "I think that one of the elements at the heart of corporate governance is personal integrity and character... and Matsson is not a good guy."59:49 -- Family governance within public companies. "Ultimately it all comes down to the documents: who can vote what, who has control, who has the ability in a tie break, etc." The problem with "rubber stamping boards." Question: "would any of us invest in a company run by Kendall or Roman?"01:06:11 -- Kendall's Unreliable Testimony to the DOJ ("Queen for a day" opportunity) and Preparation Failure.Kate O'Leary is the Global Executive Litigation Counsel at General Electric Company.Sean Berkowitz is a Partner at Latham & Watkins and the Global Chair of the Complex Commercial Litigation Practice. He represents clients in complex litigation and regulatory investigations.__ You can follow Evan on social media at:Twitter: @evanepsteinLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/epsteinevan/ Substack: https://evanepstein.substack.com/__Music/Soundtrack (found via Free Music Archive): Seeing The Future by Dexter Britain is licensed under a Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License

Kara and Adina reflect on the Succession finale and the journey for each of the main characters from the beginning of the show to the end, addressing character tactics, the cycles of abuse, and the tragedy structure of the show as a whole. Subscribe to our newsletter at itsinmyqueue.substack.com.Find us on Twitter: @inmyqueuepod • @adinaterrific • @karaaa_powellAnd Instagram: @inmyqueuepodor send comments, questions,  and show suggestions to us at itsinmyqueuepod@gmail.com!

PRODUCTION NOTE: Our name has changed but our levels of delusion and derangement have not! Lit By Moonlight is now Normal About It - where we're anything but! This is NOT a spoiler free podcast! Welcome to part two of our Succession therapy session-I mean-discussion! This week we discuss the show's unpredictability, how we have maybe too many emotions about Roman Roy, whether or not Kendall's name was crossed out or underlined, shows ending when they should, and the lack of arc completions. Like our show reviews? You're in luck! In the coming weeks we'll be discussing season five of What We Do in the Shadows! Be sure to subscribe to our podcast and follow us on social media to stay updated! References: Wambsgans Name Meaning tik tok Why Everyone Says Succession is Shakespearean by Overthinking It Support the WGA! Links: Thanks to ⁠⁠⁠Purple Planet Music⁠⁠⁠ for our lovely theme music! Follow Us on ⁠⁠⁠Instagram!⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us on ⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok!⁠⁠⁠ Listen On ⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠ Listen on ⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠ Listen on ⁠⁠⁠Stitcher⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠More About Us!

Dom and Chris have their biggest announcement thus far and it's truly UNPRECEDENTED in more ways than one! Then, Rebecca Bregman rejoins the boys as the first “Thrice” guest to fix Kendall, Shiv, and Roman Roy of Succession, but not before reminding us of Gary Coleman's breakout film role for absolutely no reason!!You can find Rebecca by watching TV!You can find Dom at dommentary.com.You can find Chris at @thechrisderosa.Follow the show at @fixingfamouspeople.You can order the Official Fixing Famous People Cliterally Candle here.Write a review and let us know who you want us to fix! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

0:00 -- Intro. *Note: you can check out our analysis of Succession's first season in E98 of this podcast (published on May 22nd, 2023).1:43 -- Start of interview.4:03 -- Governance challenges to family-owned companies.5:50 -- On Kendall's car accident and legal implications. Issues of corporate wellness, mental issues and drug-use. *Story on Tyson Foods' CFO.10:55 -- Waystar's response to “bear hug” offer from Maysberry. “I saw their plan, but my father's was better.” On disclosure process and vetting of public statements.17:34-- Impact of explosion of Waystar rocket in Japan (after Roman rushed the launch).18:45-- On Shiv's prospects as CEO of Waystar.20:13 -- On the role of the board in the "bear hug," conflicts of interests, and lack of an independent committee of the board.21:25 -- The Pierce acquisition to block Sandy and Stewy. On the role of third-party advisors (investment banks) and the Jamie Laird character.27:46 -- On sovereign wealth funds looking to control the news through ATN. On the character of Mark Ravenhead.33:10 -- The Vaulter shutdown and question on unions.41:04 -- Revelation of cruise line issues (press report) lead to loss of business opportunities (Pierce, etc.) and loss of key employees (Rhea's departure). The accounting whistleblower. Rhea, worrying that she's agreed to be CEO of a “dumpster fire pirate death ship” says, “Either they did know, which is terrible, or they didn't know, which is an unconscionable lack of control.” (Caremark standard) 47:17 -- The Congressional hearing. How should CEOs and/or management prepare for congressional hearings? "This is not a court house, it's a stage." "Testifying in Congress is much more similar to being on a Sunday morning news show." "The clock is your friend here." "In circumstances like that, sometimes the best answers are yes, no, or I don't recall - as opposed to speechifying about something."54:35 --  The questionable decision of having a general counsel testify in Congress. On waivers of attorney-client privilege.1:00:26 --  The "blood sacrifice" offered by Waystar Royco after the Congressional hearing. Caremark standard and the fallacy of "what you don't know can't hurt you" (willful blindness). The NRPI ("No Real Person Involved") notations in shadow logs.1:09:26 --  Cultural and reputational issues and the way the show connects them to shareholder value. Culture of fear and bullying. Sexual harassment and improper behavior.Kate O'Leary is the Global Executive Litigation Counsel at General Electric Company.__ You can follow Evan on social media at:Twitter: @evanepsteinLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/epsteinevan/ Substack: https://evanepstein.substack.com/__Music/Soundtrack (found via Free Music Archive): Seeing The Future by Dexter Britain is licensed under a Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License

In episode 38, astrologers Kristina Martin and Tara Redfield undertake something very in line with Gemini season - exploring the relationships between siblings! For this episode, it's the Roy siblings of HBO's hit series, Succession! In astrology, we find that commonly actors take on roles that mirror parts of their own chart. So, after watching the series finale, we decided to use the birth charts of Jeremy Strong (aka Kendall Roy), Sarah Snook (aka Siobhan Roy), and Kieran Culkin (aka Roman Roy) to see how these actors were able to create such strong sibling chemistry over the show's four seasons.  First, we look at Jeremy's chart and find heavy Capricorn placements telling us his dedicated and unyielding work ethic shows up both on and off screen. We also find an intense and obsessive Scorpio moon that can get swept up in feeling and with little air in the chart, logic and objectivity might be hard to come by.  Next, we focus in on Sarah's natal chart and find a fairness-focused Libra rising, which makes sense as her character always seems to be trying to balance all sorts of relationships. We also see a fiery Aries Moon and Sagittarius Sun (hello red head!) telling us she's a fighter who can be ruthless about getting her way. Lastly, we look at Keiran's birth chart and see a strong stellium in Libra, which includes a quick-witted Mercury/Sun conjunction. This is one quippy and intellectual guy, just like Roman! He certainly brings the air to the room, but he also has a highly sensitive Pisces Moon. The responsibilities of fame (and experiencing his character's father's funeral) can be overwhelming! At the end of the show we look at the synastry charts between these actors/siblings and find uncanny astrological signatures! We found conjunctions, sextiles, and trines all at the exact same degree which is rare! It made us wonder if the casting director had hired astrologers to bring this perfect trio together! Listen in to hear more about your favorite show and how sibling synastry is eye-opening indeed. CONNECT WITH US Kristina Martin www.klmastrology.com astrologyklm@gmail.com www.instagram.com/klmastrology Tara Redfield www.anotherdaygreener@gmail.com anotherdaygreener@gmail.com www.instagram.com/anotherdaygreener www.tiktok.com/@anotherdaygreener      

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we analyze the final season of "Succession" with a focus on the (lack of) psychological development of the adult siblings (initially we wrote "children" - Freudian slip!). We also discuss the masterful portrayals of grief related to Logan's death, as well as the expert depiction of ecalating attachment issues and maladaptive externalizing behaviors in the face of such significant loss. We pay homage to some of our favorite supporting characters, including Greg, Caroline, and Willa, and the amazing music. We hope you enjoy! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriend. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts. [00:31] Portia Pendleton: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Gosh, Portia. I don't know about you, but I'm really going to miss this song. [01:26] Portia Pendleton: I know. [01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really want to make it my ringtone for When You Call me. But then, like, what will other people. [01:33] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, they'll be like, who's calling you sociopath? [01:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, but it's such a good. [01:39] Portia Pendleton: Song, a raging narcissist. [01:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I don't know if you noticed, but somewhere, like, halfway through season four, when Kendall's, like, amping himself up to go into the office, the intro song was a little different. It had more of, like, a rap undertone. And I just thought that was so fascinating. I just think the music in this show is so good. And even, like, near the end with the Meal Fit for the King, they're sort of playing it, but in a more playful, childish way. It's just so good, and I'm really going to miss the song. [02:09] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, you hear it, like, softer, more sad, more exciting throughout, especially season four. I don't recall hearing it differently prior. [02:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: To and the other season, it's just so, so good. But we have a lot to talk about with season four. I don't even know exactly how to get started because so much happened. [02:28] Portia Pendleton: I know. Yeah. At the end of season three, right. We talked about Tom and kind of the whoa. Like wolf and sheep's. [02:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, for you, not for me. I knew it. I knew it. [02:40] Portia Pendleton: Tom just still feels like I don't even know. Like, I'm still not mad by him. I don't know why. [02:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think because he's charismatic. Like a true sociopath would be. [02:51] Portia Pendleton: He could be, like, a cult leader. [02:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I'd be like I'd be, like, 100%. He reminds me of Tom Sandoval in the whole Vanderpump Rules scandal. Another Tom. Oh, my God. You're right. Never name your child Tom. If there's anything we can warn you against from this podcast, do not name them Tom. That's so funny. But yeah, I think he's such a snake. He is so slimy. He is so narcissistic. However, he's also charming, and he's definitely, like, more of a covert flavor where you might not pick it up as much as, like, Kendall, like, throwing himself a big party, just being ridiculous l to the OG. Stuff like that is way more obvious. But I think that's what makes Tom so freaking dangerous. And the fact that he can really just plow over anyone to get what he wants at the end of the. [03:46] Portia Pendleton: Day, and why he's successful 100%, and why the kids, which we will continue to call them, are not the children. [03:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: The adult, fully grown, forty s. Thirty. [03:58] Portia Pendleton: S, like fully adults. [04:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they are children. The kids ultimately aren't successful. It's so funny, right? Because I feel like everyone in the world has been waiting for the season finale of succession to see who finally gets waste arm Royko, who gets it, and then it's Tom. And of course it is, right? [04:19] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [04:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: But we all thought one of these. [04:21] Portia Pendleton: Kids would finally or no one at all, right? [04:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: That all of them. It would just be Matson or something like that. But of course it's Tom. And it's so, I think, scary because I bet this is how it really works in politics and in the world. I bet people who are like the figurehead of power probably have these underlings that report to them and do their dirty work, right? [04:51] Portia Pendleton: Like Hugo. [04:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Hugo carl. Frank. Right. We saw them all kind of unravel a little bit with the threat of losing their job or with Matson taking over, like, again, trying to play the field, to hold on to their own power. But then we really see it with Tom and Matson and, like, that dinner conversation they had. [05:12] Portia Pendleton: And it seemed so, like, crazy to me when Tom was talking to Carl Frank and Jerry in the pantry, right, at the small funeral, after part, after party party, after reception at Logan's residence, where Tom's like, well, I'd like to throw my hat in. And I'm like, yeah, whatever, you sound crazy. [05:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then there you go. [05:39] Portia Pendleton: And they're all bowing down to him in the last but he can do that. I was thinking if Kendall got it, I think they all know that Kendall. [05:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is a little tapped. [05:50] Portia Pendleton: Like, he's unwell, he's unstable and impulsive. [05:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Risky, and he's not smart. What business savvy does he have to be in charge? Like, none. Right. Again. And even, like, earlier on, wondering with Kendall's name underlined or crossed out? Underlined or crossed out. [06:09] Portia Pendleton: I saw some people got, like, tattoos of that. Yes. [06:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: What? [06:13] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I saw it online. Like, couple people got, like, tattoos of because I didn't know what the line because I was like, oh, the line's off. [06:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And I was like, that's a bad tattoo. [06:22] Portia Pendleton: But it was not. [06:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was a perfect tattoo, I guess. Wow. [06:26] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [06:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Gosh. Wow. [06:27] Portia Pendleton: Getting tattooed committed, really session. [06:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's also, I think, what just fascinates me about the writing of this show, because they get it so right. I think we've talked about some other shows like you, where they get it really good, really right. They can really nail down these dynamics. But this show is, like, in a different stratosphere of accuracy, and not just with the dialogue, but the body language, the interactions. Every time those kids are around their mom, it's just perfectly acted and written, and it's like, I feel so bad for whoever on this team has a mother like this, because that's the only way, you know, I think, honestly, how to get it so spot on, and it just translates so well. You just feel it through your screen. And I think that's why we end up rooting for these kids, even though they're also awful. Yeah, it's wild to me, you're on. [07:23] Portia Pendleton: This ride where it's just like, I don't know, the highs and the lows. You hate, and then I'm rooting and then I hate, and then I'm rooting for them over and over and over. [07:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: And over and over. And also, the show is so intense and hilarious. It's so good with the wasabi in the eye on election night, and then. [07:41] Portia Pendleton: The lemon salts are burning. [07:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: And was this the season where Tom and Greg were the disgusting brothers? Is that starting at the end of season three? [07:52] Portia Pendleton: I don't remember. [07:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: But it's just so good. [07:56] Portia Pendleton: It is. [07:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's just so good. And I think, again, we end succession, and I feel like every single character is still exactly who they were at the beginning of season one. There's been no psychological growth, personal growth. If anything, they're all like a more externalized, ickier version of themselves, all the way down to, like, Jerry, Frank, Carl. I feel like the only ones who grew a little is, like, Jess, the assistant who quit, rava, who left, and maybe the girl with the bangs who was like, Logan's girlfriend. [08:35] Portia Pendleton: Carrie. [08:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: Carrie, yeah. [08:36] Portia Pendleton: Maybe she's doing well. Maybe she's in therapy and, like, doing some work. [08:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I could see that she was the like, what? I know we're jumping around a lot, but at Logan's funeral with the four women in the front, like, what did you think of? [08:49] Portia Pendleton: I thought that was so unexpected and just, like, such a fabulous scene. I love that. Obviously, Marcia was so cruel to Carrie, and you get it. And then Caroline being like, this was. [09:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: My Carrie, and then they all kind of bond over it, and they're sitting in the front row altogether again. All those spectators can see all of those women together, and they can figure out what's going on. But then Marsh just like, lucy's not going to snort. Right. And they can all bond over it. It was just, like, so icky, but perfect and so humanizing and just like, wow, really interesting that they could all bond in that way. Yeah. [09:34] Portia Pendleton: So I think we should start with Kendall. [09:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. [09:37] Portia Pendleton: He and the other two siblings are kind of working together post betrayal with Tom with their $3 billion and just trying to come up with all these companies and these ideas. The 100. [09:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God, what a lame idea. [09:52] Portia Pendleton: It was kind of comical to me. [09:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because I was just like, just take. [09:57] Portia Pendleton: The money and go live on board, start a little business. Why do you guys have to work together? [10:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Don't just go live your life. Right? [10:08] Portia Pendleton: And they still want so desperately to get back at their dad at this point. They're going to somehow kind of come in the back door and make the offer. They're working with that family to buy that other news station, and they're kind of going back and forth about it. Kendall seems to be trying to sabotage that deal. So Kendall's already starting to backstab Sharon and Shiv so they can't work together. And it's like, really? [10:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Again, it's like they always get in their own way. Yeah, right. But again, that is exactly what happens with people with these personality traits. Like no, Kendall is a raging narcissist. He can't be on a team of three, even if it's his siblings, even if it's in his best interest, even if that's what will lead to further generational for his children. He cannot he has to be number one. He is the eldest boy, after all, right? That is who he is through and through. So even here again, and it's notable that the only time the three siblings are like the Three Musketeers is when. [11:06] Portia Pendleton: They are totally. [11:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Ousted by their dad or totally exiled on the outside. That's the only time. [11:14] Portia Pendleton: And even with that, I would say they're only really on the same page when it's an intense emotion that they can all share. Right, so it's like betrayal. They are all betrayed by their dad, who sold is selling their company and their mom, and then they are all together in grief when dad dies. [11:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's such a good point, Portia. [11:36] Portia Pendleton: But it's like these little moments they're all together for when at the end, Shiv finds out that Matson is betraying her. And then they are like, no, we're going to vote. We're going to take it back. We're team Kendall. They're all together in that moment, but it's like such short lived. And then one of them can't do that, can't tolerate for whatever reason, but it's like something always happens. They can never be on the same page, actually. [11:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, Portia? And what a good observation that they can only align when they're each feeling the exact same emotion almost in the exact same way. But once sort of like that wave of an emotion starts to crash down or subside, and maybe other emotions start to bubble up or it becomes less black or white, and they're not totally seeing it and feeling it the exact same way, that now they can't be aligned, and it's very extreme. That's a really good point because it's. [12:31] Portia Pendleton: Like someone always sabotages it for whatever reason. And it's just like you guys can't ever just get it together. You can't ever get it. They can never either be empathetic towards the other one and do something without personal gain involved, which we know why, but there's no empathy. [12:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, it's so extreme. They are all such extreme. They have such extreme flavors of narcissism that you're right. They really can't like, Roman and Shiv cannot tolerate Kendall being the leader. They've never been able to from the beginning. That has been their downfall. You got to just pick one, right? And they just can't it has to be even like, when they were at the moms and Shiv was like, quote unquote, joking about murdering Kendall, I thought they might I would not have been surprised if they had. I really was like, they're going to do it. And I don't think she was joking. I think that's, like one of those. [13:26] Portia Pendleton: Times where she's already in slip in. [13:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: The waters to see, like, will Roman go along with that? I bet if he was going to go along with it, they would have done. [13:36] Portia Pendleton: Or if it would look good for the board, it would do something for Shiv and Roman, like, and maybe they, in that moment, were like, no, that would be like, another crisis and that would be bad. [13:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, I think, like, what they realized was it'd be really it's really hard to clean up a dead body. So unlike Goldberg, they did have that forethought. Right? [13:54] Portia Pendleton: So let's think about Kendall's reaction to grief. [13:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: That episode, I think it was episode three, where Logan dies on the plane, like, of all places, with Tom, of course. [14:06] Portia Pendleton: I know. So he gets to be there, right? Like, he gets to be a part of that. The chaos which all of his siblings, I think, would die to be a part of. [14:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to say that was the only time in this whole show where I thought, maybe Tom is a good guy. The way he called them and was being so calm and telling them, I'm going to cry thinking about it, telling them to come to the phone. And I thought, like, wow, does he have any shred of I think he. [14:35] Portia Pendleton: Does, because I don't think he's like, sociopathic psychopathic. I think that he can understand those emotions. I think he does love Shiv. I think he just loves himself more, you know what I mean? So it's like he can produce empathy and care, but in that moment, that was also the right thing to do. You know what I mean? It looked good. And I think it aligned with this is the right thing to do and it benefits me. [15:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: But also yeah, I did feel, though, like there was more of this is the right thing to do than just, it benefits me. Yeah. Yes, totally. You know, until I think it was in the last episode, he he like, really threw it in Shiv's face when he said something about, well, I did say goodbye to Logan, and they were arguing about something and it was like a smaller comment. It wasn't as big as their explosive fight on the balcony before the election, but I thought, like, what a dagger to throw. Like, what a dagger. Remember? Because they didn't get Shiven time. Oh, God. It was just heartbreaking. But the portrayal of all three siblings, like, the shock of getting the news and trying to figure out how do you say goodbye to a parent you love because it's your father, but you hate because he's been a terribly abusive, awful parent to you. Like, how do you say goodbye? And I was actually so glad that they depicted how hard it was for them to figure out what to say and that they didn't all just kind of, like, let Logan off the hook. Right. [16:10] Portia Pendleton: So Kendall was, like, upset and then I'm not remembering, which I wonder if this is interesting, his actual reaction. Reaction. Because I'm remembering Roman very clearly. [16:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: I remember **** really clearly. I think Kendall was, like, kind of stunned and shocked, but then knew he had to take care of business. Right. I think he was the first one who heard. Right. Like, I think Tom called him and so he got to say something to Logan first. And then he was like, we need to get Roman. We need to get ship. This is Connor's wedding. How are we going to tell him? His wheels started going and again, that's where you're like, so he should take over the company because he can do that. Stay cool under pressure and kind of dissociate from your own feelings in order to there's some people who are really good under pressure like that. But yeah, I don't remember him having he was tearful, but not in the same way. Roman just was so raw. [17:11] Portia Pendleton: Right. Kendall kind of jumped into action and was already thinking about what the voting wanted him to stay up in the air. No. Kendall was like, can we maybe? And Shiv were thinking about, can we have the plane circle for a while? Right. So that the end of day would come so that they didn't have to tell the markets and they would have the weekend. And Roman was like, no, absolutely not. He needs to come down and receive medical care. Roman had the hardest time admitting what was happening. Kendall, I think, was first, too, and then Shiv was second. But Roman had struggled a lot. [17:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. Kieran Culkin's whole acting, like, in this whole series, especially season four, was just astounding. I also find myself so attracted to him, which we talked about last time, and like, why? This is a terrible character. [18:00] Portia Pendleton: I'm more attracted to Tom. Why? [18:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: We got that interesting. Analyze that about yourself. What does that say? [18:11] Portia Pendleton: Definitely not Kendall or Connor. [18:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: No. Right. [18:14] Portia Pendleton: Logan. [18:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: No. Maybe Greg. Intermittently. Just I think Greg's so tall. I find that fascinating. Well, I'm attracted to Roman, so that is true. Makes sense. But no Roman's reaction. So raw. [18:32] Portia Pendleton: I cried. [18:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did too. With all of them. Oh, my God. And then when Shiv came and was like, I just can't like so shocked and was like, why didn't you come get me? And they're like, we try. Oh, my God. Just so heartbreaking. And the fact that Logan died when they were in such a big fight, I feel like that's almost everyone's biggest. [18:52] Portia Pendleton: Fear in the world. [18:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, when you fight with your parents, and it's a really big one that they're going to die before you can make up. [18:58] Portia Pendleton: And that's why I think so many people do have different ways of handling it. So it's like you don't ever confront, you know what I mean? Some people never confront because of that. Other people, it's almost, like, easier to have it be constantly conflictual because we can't tolerate the thought of being on. [19:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Bad terms or like, oh, it's just heartbreaking. And then sort of rewinding and thinking about that final scene with them all together at the random karaoke place for Connor's bachelor party when Willa's like, maybe cheating on him unclear. And like, the stuff Logan was saying to them that was so despicable and disgusting, and then he dies. [19:40] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [19:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: And like, oh, I'm just like, are they mad at him? Because I I could also see and I have, you know, seen patients who have parents like this and then they die in the middle of a conflict. A lot of times the children are so mad at their parent, they're like, okay, and now you die on me when this is happening. This is just like this is track. I don't know. It was so intense. I thought medically, their depiction of I think it was a pulmonary embolism that he died from makes sense. That happens so quickly, it can be fatal so fast. So that depiction made sense. I can't even imagine. I kept thinking of, like, the flight attendants doing CPR for hours and hours and hours right. Because I think that you have to until you land, and that's so traumatizing for them. And then like, the team, Carolina, Hugo, all in the back room, like, let's just start the press release. [20:38] Portia Pendleton: But it's like, that's who should be doing that, you know what I mean? Yes, they have a relationship, they have a friendship, whatever you want to call it, with Logan. But I think that feels appropriate. Carl and Frank, they're all taken off guard and upset and they kind of can pivot because they're not his kids. Right. [20:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And in some ways, that is the best way to honor Logan is to get your ducks in a row, you know what I mean? As you were saying that, I just had a flashback, too. Was it that flight or another flight where Carl and Frank were putting on their compression stockings? [21:15] Portia Pendleton: Oh, I don't remember that at all. [21:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's like a really interesting now you think about, like, foreshadowing, because that's often how you get a pulmonary embolism is you have a clot in one of your deep leg veins and it travels up, unfortunately. And a pulmonary embolism is basically a blood clot in your lung vasculature that leads you to stop breathing. Just wish Logan would have put on some compression socks, especially with his history of stroke and all these things, but just interesting. I bet they'll all wear them now. Yeah, I will. [21:43] Portia Pendleton: I know. Now I'm like another thing to be anxious about while I fly. [21:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: When I was an intern, like on my medicine rotations, I was always so anxious about a PE. That is like, the thing that can happen when you're really sick and all this. I was always so anxious that people were going to have PE's, and one time I caught one, so that's good for me. Yeah, but like, God, I lived, like, in such a state of hyper vigilance, like checking people's pressures, checking people's heart rates, checking their breathing, check at this, making a move and squeeze your leg muscles if you can't walk around. Like, it's just so scary. [22:20] Portia Pendleton: So then we see him at the funeral. So we see him and, you know, we're going to talk about Roman more, but, like, we see him taking over for Roman because Roman cannot go through with the speech. [22:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Of course he cannot. [22:33] Portia Pendleton: Right. [22:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: He should. You should. [22:34] Portia Pendleton: Like, he pregrieved. He pregrieved. So he's fine. Roman's fine. [22:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: And also, I get that people try to pre grieve. You wish you could grieve before it happens so it won't hurt so bad. It just does. Yeah, I see that a lot. Especially when people have family members with, like, a neurodegenerative illness or something like that. Yeah. I feel like Roman just displayed, like, all five classic stages of grief. Denial, anger, sadness, bargaining, acceptance. So well, yeah, he really went through the different ones. And again, it's not like a linear thing. You can bounce around and feel things at the same time. But he really displayed that so well. And again, it was like he was really hoping this was going to be his moment to shine. He's going to give the eulogy and then he just can't. And did it break your heart? [23:22] Portia Pendleton: Yes. [23:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: When no one went to comfort him? Yeah. Those four women in the freaking front row. Your own mother does not go up to Jerry, doesn't go to give him a hug. [23:33] Portia Pendleton: I think he was really feeling the loss of Jerry, not being comforting, but he had just I was going to. [23:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Say this fired her. But still, I mean, again, it's like, that's who Jerry is, who she is. Right. [23:51] Portia Pendleton: But also, like a lesson in some way. If we look at it really black and white, if you do something horrible to me, we're done. It's a really clear boundary. Like, you just fired me and we had an inappropriate relationship, but I'm not going to do that. And his expectation, I think all of their expectations because they haven't had solid, secure attachments are so skewed. But it's like if you hurt someone and if that person is healthy, they will put up a boundary, right? So you can't hurt them again. [24:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, that's normal, right? And again, it's like, the mom really should have been the one to 100%, right? And she just sits there. Just sits there. And then you think is like, maybe quote unquote, comforting them by inviting them to her Caribbean villa or whatever. And then it's like a sales pitch, of course, for her husband. [24:43] Portia Pendleton: Don't eat his cheese. [24:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, don't eat his cheese. We have no food in this house. Here's the frozen knobbies I keep. And I was like, this track. This woman doesn't eat despite all of her money and access. Of course she doesn't. And even you know that Shiv's pregnant and you still don't have any food. [25:03] Portia Pendleton: You have your knobby ends. [25:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Knobby ends that freezer. And it's like, you know what? That's what she's done to these kids their whole life. Just tossed her frozen knobby ends at them and said, that's all you get. That's good. Yeah, that's a good picture. [25:17] Portia Pendleton: Even there in this silly little moment is so deep. We could analyze that for a while, right? [25:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, they all bond and are aligned because they're feeling something toward their mom in that moment. Right? And like, that scene with them making the meal fit for a king and just how silly and playful. I loved it so much, and I did really feel like this might be it. They might get it together. And then I was like, why did I think that? Why was I optimistic? [25:49] Portia Pendleton: They just can't. [25:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: They can't. [25:51] Portia Pendleton: So then we see, ironically, at the funeral. So Kendall then takes over. He does, I thought, a well job on the fly, and he responds to Ewan information. Ewan, I thought, was interesting because some of the things that he was saying really humanized Logan. [26:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: His whole backstory. It was like, finally we learned about Rose and this oppressive guilt that Logan carried with him that it was, like, his fault. Even though finally we got some backstory. And even you and going up to the podium was like, I can't believe my own family would prevent me from speaking at my brother's funeral. Because you're worried about the stock price or whatever. And it's like they would yeah, they're trying. [26:34] Portia Pendleton: And you could see them all. They're like, motioning to Greg to try to pull him back. And it's like, also, what are you tackle you and Logan's brother as he's going up? First of all, in front of, like, press. [26:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what I'm going to say. As if no one can see you guys, like, finagling, and you just look like idiots. [26:51] Portia Pendleton: It's like, oh, my gosh. And then I thought Shiv's words were pretty sweet. That was nice that she was able to do it. I don't have a strong memory of it, but what I do remember is that Connor didn't say anything. And I was like, how fitting. [27:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: That is really fitting. I feel like again, though, he had a speech prepared. I didn't remember that. I just forget everything about Connor. And I think that's like, that's how you're supposed to, right? But also, it was so heartbreaking at the karaoke thing, his little bachelor party, when he was able to say to the siblings after Logan storms out, like, well, my superpower is I don't need love. That's your problem, guys, is you want dad's love and approval, and I just don't need it. And I was like, oh, but yeah, that's how he has survived. And we learn about his mom going to a mental institution. And my thoughts are like, did she really need to go? Or did Logan have so much power that he was able to pull those strings? And we see Connor's trauma reaction to the wedding cake, reminding him of the cake he ate when they told him his mom went to the fight, which. [27:54] Portia Pendleton: They all are joking about. [27:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's not funny. [27:56] Portia Pendleton: I mean, they joke about Roman being in the cage. They joke about I mean, it's like these horrible, really, really abusive things that weren't just like, oh, one time I locked my brother in the dog crate, like lol, and then I opened the door. No, he was in there for hours. This happened multiple times. [28:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, that's disgusting. But also, humor is a more mature defense mechanism right, than a lot of. [28:19] Portia Pendleton: The naming how horrible everything was. It's like they can't even go there. [28:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, they can't. Right? They would just be psychologically annihilated. How can you it's totally not safe, right? Totally not safe. I hope that they eventually could if they get into some good quality therapy. I think the only one who maybe ever would would maybe be Roman. And I hope Carrie I hope Carrie, the latest mistress, is able to get into some good quality therapy and heal again. She had a very humanistic, normal reaction to being on the plane with Logan and then trying to grieve. [28:57] Portia Pendleton: Right, I forgot she was on the plane. [28:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, and trying to grieve and also deal with the shame and sort of like public view of her as the mistress. And they threw her out of his apartment when she came to get some of her stuff. And it's just sick. Super sick. [29:14] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So we see kind of Kendall Shiv and Roman bond again, I'd say, like immediately after the funeral, at the funeral, and then we see them all kind of starting to have their wheels turning about what we're doing. They go on that trip to see Matson at that retreat, and again, they. [29:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: Screw themselves, right, because Roman loses his cool and lets it out that they're not going to actually sell to him. Again, if they could have just kept it in, right, maybe they could have gotten the right amount of votes or whatever to thwart the deal. But again, it's like, I think he said what it was, like, three days after died. I feel like season four took place in, like, a seven to ten day period. And of course, they're not functioning at their best. They have so many raw emotions that and maybe Matson could sniff that out, because he is a total narcissist in his own raging way. [30:13] Portia Pendleton: And I think he's very eccentric, very egotistical, but also, like, that woman blood. And she was like, maybe just don't do that. [30:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Don't send, like, your biological fluid. That's also just so weird. Porsche, what did you make of that? What is the point? What do you think she wants with your blood? [30:34] Portia Pendleton: Maybe he was like, I don't know. It's like a part of him. It was a process to give he's so rich, he can give her whatever, but it's like, no, I'm going to give you my blood. That's so much more intense than, like, oh, I'm giving you a bracelet. But it's like, I'd rather have the bracelet. And it seems like Ebba Too would rather have the bracelet. [30:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe she could make a bracelet out of his blood. [30:56] Portia Pendleton: She could make a little necklace. [30:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: She can also hold onto it for a major lawsuit in the future, which maybe you should have thought about. But creepy. That's like serial killer level creepy, right? You call the police when someone's, like, sending you their blood. [31:13] Portia Pendleton: That is wild to me. Matson is, like, so smart. He's too smart where it's like he is detached from the real world reality, what it's like to be a human. I think he's just brilliant. He created this code. [31:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought at some point in there, they said he actually didn't. It was these other people, and he's taking the credit. [31:36] Portia Pendleton: Well, maybe he's smart enough to do that. [31:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe smart enough to do that. [31:39] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [31:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: So we see Matson Alexander Scarsgard again. I always love to see him, and he's great, even if he's sending people his own blood, which tracks he is. [31:49] Portia Pendleton: A vampire and true blood. [31:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: There you go. Totally tracks. And I always imagined it as, like, a huge IV bag full of blood, but maybe it's like a vial. [31:58] Portia Pendleton: I think it was frozen, and I think I don't know why. [32:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Multiple times. Just so bizarre, so weird, and also so dumb. Okay, we don't have to keep talking about the blood. So we see again, Roman, and really, Roman get in his own way by revealing their evil plot to Matson, who now knows the evil plot and can take steps to continue to win in the situation. I feel like Matson probably was getting a sense of something going awry and was like, knows what to say to sort of provoke people to figure out their real motives. Like, we see that with him and Tom Too. [32:41] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [32:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And what a creepy superpower to have. [32:46] Portia Pendleton: And I think he poked Roman in a way that he saw roman being impulsive unstable again. I mean, your dad just died three days ago. [32:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: But of the two, Roman 100%. [32:57] Portia Pendleton: And Kendall is, like, backdooring still. Everything at that time. He's talking to Hugo, he's trying to put out some numbers that then Shiv and everyone's really ****** about how that got out. And then he says whatever matson says whatever makes sense to Shiv to get Shiv on his side. [33:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And she takes that bit because she always does. Again, she gets in her way. Oh, and it drives me nuts. It drives me so nuts again, because I feel like at the beginning of the show, I thought she was the smart one who just wasn't getting her comeuppance because she's a girl. And then the more we've seen of her, I feel like she's just so annoying. I love the character, don't get me. [33:37] Portia Pendleton: Wrong, but I think they had to have written that because there were points in the last episode of season four that when she's talking to Matson that I was like, you are so annoying right now. And Matson was annoyed and I think we were supposed to feel that. [33:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And that's why, again, this is how Shiv gets in her own way. [33:55] Portia Pendleton: She was annoying with her dad in that episode when he yells at her before the big board meeting or shareholder meeting. He yelled at her and was like, you're stop. And again, she was, to me, like, grating in my ear. [34:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: She has this obsessive reassurance seeking, which of course, she has that based on her life and how you can't trust anyone and people always screw you over. But she hasn't figured out that by continuing to do that, you push these people away at your own detriment. Right. So she just thinks that she's so suave and such a good communicator that she'll be the one to go in and smooth things over and figure it out, even when she was in the company now and sitting in on the meetings. And it's just like everyone thinks you're a joke. And it's so sad that she can't see that. Right? [34:50] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. And I think her reaction on the phone to her and Tom are not speaking. They're actively trying to get divorced. [34:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: He gets all the lawyers based on Logan's advice. [35:02] Portia Pendleton: And then he's the one who's, like, telling her to say goodbye to her dad, even. That was really, I'm sure, obviously hard for her, besides the fact that she had to say goodbye to her dad. But it's like, Tom is the one who's telling you. I mean, maybe on one hand it was, like, comforting because there's still maybe a little bit of feelings there. I don't know, I just can't imagine that. And then she kind of went a little bit childlike, like, Daddy, please don't die. Same with Roman. Roman became more childlike. [35:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: That is what happens. Like, you regress in times of such intense emotional trauma. Right. And I think she was like, that's him there in the coffin. But all that is so true. Grief is just such a mindfuck that a lot of times you are in such extreme denial. Yeah. What did you think about the scene between Shiv and Tom at their fancy apartment the night before the election? [35:55] Portia Pendleton: That was a big fight, I think. It was like they had so much hurt at that point, in pain, and had hurt each other so specifically, wildly up until that moment. And it was like, this has to happen. When is it going to happen? I thought Tom again, just because I still like Tom, he's, like, telling everyone how bad he needs sleep. [36:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [36:19] Portia Pendleton: He's, like, preparing. His face has to be up. He's, like, so obsessed with I loved. [36:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: When he came in and he was like, all right, party's over, everyone go home. And I'm like, that's always how I want to end the party. Just be like, okay, please leave. I don't know if you ever see it online. Like, those memes with party decorations. That's like a big banner that's like, welcome to the party. Please leave by eight. Yes, that's true. [36:42] Portia Pendleton: And if you don't, I will ask you to ask you, and then it's awkward and weird. Yeah. So some of the things that they said were obviously so horrible and hurtful, but, like, true. Like, really? I don't know hard truths because it's finally horrible, people. But, like, you guys needed to say. [36:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: That, and this is how you really feel about each other. It was so big and explosive and disgusting, but also authentic and true. And they were both so angry and betrayed by each other. And that's when she told him that she's pregnant. Right. [37:15] Portia Pendleton: And he was like, Is that even true? [37:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Which I could see why action. Also, like, the way she brought it up, it does seem provocative and manipulative. And at that point, I wasn't sure if she still was, because we saw earlier on. I will make a note that Shiv calls the doctor by her first name. [37:31] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. Which I'm not surprised about. [37:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [37:34] Portia Pendleton: It was probably a personal doctor. [37:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: But also, I feel like people with narcissistic traits don't respect sort of professional boundaries or I can't imagine Shiv giving that professional deference to someone else. Right. They don't. They just call you first name. [37:53] Portia Pendleton: That tracks. Even when they were trying to get Logan into better care earlier, earlier when he did not die, they were all just like, we need the best of the best. And I think even if they still. [38:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Would have, even when he was dying on the plane, they were like, we need to get this one on the line. He needs to go here. And it's like, guys, but so we learned she's pregnant, that there was some sort of testing to be done that showed everything was okay. But then we see her drinking throughout the season, and I wasn't sure if she was still pregnant and drinking, which, again, I could see her doing, or if she'd had an abortion. And I wasn't sure how it was all going to shake out. And then I mean, my God. What do you think about Shiv being a mom? [38:36] Portia Pendleton: Well, having watched all of the season, I think she is the new Caroline and she's going to do exactly what Caroline did to her. I think she's going to be cold and kind of detached. [38:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: She already is. She's already talked about all the nannies and she's never going to see the kid. And on the one hand, I was like, is she just saying that to Matson? So she gets to be the American CEO, but I don't think so. I think that's all she knows. [39:01] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [39:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: Awful. And I kind of like that we didn't find out if she's having a girl or a boy. What do you think? [39:08] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I think both are screwed. Yeah, I think girl, that would be worse in my. [39:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Again, now, by sort of maneuvering the way she did at the very end, she has sort of maintained the closest tie to the power right. By staying with Tom and that flaccid handshake. [39:34] Portia Pendleton: I know that was like iconic. [39:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: So iconic and uncomfortable and perfect. But she's staying with him. It seems they're going to have the baby, but I still feel like it's going to be a girl. And so still not really quite the heir, as you would think, right? Like, if she had the son who was like the bloodline, as Roman was saying. This all starts to remind me of. [39:59] Portia Pendleton: The British royal family, too. [40:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was kind of like as I watched the show, I also read Prince Harry's memoir, sort of at the same time, and I was like, is this what their life is like? [40:10] Portia Pendleton: There's definitely parallels, right? [40:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [40:13] Portia Pendleton: Rules, expectations, pressure, public eye out for yourself. [40:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's just so weird. [40:20] Portia Pendleton: Distrust, probably betrayals along the lines. So, yeah, no, that makes sense. But I felt sorry for Shiv and really kind of aligned with her when she was at that board meeting, finally kind of giving the vote because I think she's so on the one hand, she knew that Tom was going to get it and I think knew that she would be closer to power if Tom did. But I think really, on the other hand, she doesn't think like, she said that Kendall can do it, right? Yes, 100%. Like, even his reaction, I mean, that just then proved and that's what she left and then just did the vote. [41:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: Even when they were like, you killed someone and he was like, well, no. [41:06] Portia Pendleton: It sounded like he had killed more than one. [41:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, right. It did. It left their room open, like with. [41:11] Portia Pendleton: And that's what Roman was like, what do you mean? Multiples or others or plural when you said that? [41:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then when he is like, well, no, that's a misunderstanding. That didn't actually happen. It was like, dude, again, two seasons ago, or whatever, that was when you all bonded again over this. [41:30] Portia Pendleton: And so both would have been hurtful. [41:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [41:32] Portia Pendleton: Like, on the one hand, if that was a move and you lied, which they were like, which one is it? Or that you have killed someone and potentially others. I think he kind of drove himself. [41:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Into the and he did make the decision about menken in the election. [41:49] Portia Pendleton: Right. [41:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: So, again, there's just these character, like, this is him, this is who he is. And he makes these bad decisions impulsively based on really intense emotions. Which totally makes sense, right? Because we know that people with different personality disorders under stress. That gets bigger, as it does for all of us. Like, if you have an anxiety disorder and you're under stress, your anxiety goes up. If you struggle with depression and you're under stress, that can be a timeous trigger. This tracks. But you see that with Kendall in such a destructive way, like also Roman, but with Roman it's more masochistic, where it's like self destructive. Like when he goes into the protesting or he gets hit by someone, or he seeks out love from Jerry only to be rejected, it's always he's the one getting hurt, but Kendall hurts. Like, people have died and then the whole country is now at risk. Your own children are at risk. Right. [42:48] Portia Pendleton: He seems the least self aware. Yes, I think they all have self awareness issues, but I think he seems like the most he has no responsibility. [43:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have no awareness he has any self awareness. I feel like zero. [43:07] Portia Pendleton: Right. [43:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't think he does even like his whole big birthday party. [43:11] Portia Pendleton: No, 100%. [43:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think Roman, interestingly, has the most self awareness of the kids. Maybe Connor. Maybe Connor wins that. Then Roman, then Shiv, then Kendall. Right? Is how I would rank them. [43:33] Portia Pendleton: So we see Kendall, though, like, he's just not self aware about anything. He he gets so wounded so quickly, and then he reacts. And it's just like that impulsiveness to have this huge reaction and change everything with Rava. [43:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. The kids. And as you were saying that, it reminded me of like back in season one or two, where he stole the batteries. That's like a perfect example of like in the vapes. Yeah. He's just having such big feelings. I think he'd felt really rejected by his dad and was angry. And so he's like, I'm going to steal this. He doesn't need to, but he does. So that's like a little way. And then there's these huge ways, and we really do see that with the way he abuses Rava and his assistant Jess, and then his new assistant he calls new Jess. But that scene with Rava trying to leave with the kids was so chilling to me, and also, again, just like spot on. And it really shows you, like, I bet there's been a lot of domestic violence like this in their relationship. And it's a miracle that she's able to leave him at all, right? Because, like, someone with his power and money and access to lawyers and blah, blah, blah. That's so freaking scary. [44:45] Portia Pendleton: Self awareness. Like, should my kids be with Nannies 24/7, or maybe with their mom and me sometime? [44:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know what I mean? What's best for your kids? [44:55] Portia Pendleton: It doesn't matter because it's not about them, it's about him. [44:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: And even hearing about like in season three, right, where the daughter was scared, so he hires someone to track them. [45:02] Portia Pendleton: That's not how you and then doesn't tell them that. And that's what they're being followed. [45:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's not how you handle it. And then even all of that happening, we come to learn. Maybe some people picked this up earlier. I did, until Roman really says it at the end in that big fight that his daughter's adopted and then that his son maybe isn't biologically his, we're not really sure. But then the whole thing with the election just really, to me, epitomized his character. Again, Roman doesn't care about anything, so of course he's like, let's do Minkin, because then we can squash this Gojo deal. And again, none of them are smart enough to see that Minkin is also out for himself and using you. You can't trust that he's going to come through. Why would you? But they always do. They have this thread of trust that. [45:49] Portia Pendleton: Always similar with Jerry. I see Jerry and Roman and then Roman and Menken is connecting with Roman on some level that makes Roman feel attached and into him and blind, can see nothing wrong. [46:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, Menken probably knows that. Just like Matson. [46:08] Portia Pendleton: Yes. [46:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. That this is the weak link. That's why he goes for that rather than Kendall. It's just so classic. But and again, it's just like I think it also just speaks to how it's just human nature to want to be able to trust and to try to attach to something anyone around you, I think, especially when you've had such disrupted early attachments like they've had, that you don't know how to tease apart. What are early characteristics of a trustworthy person? [46:41] Portia Pendleton: They have no idea because they don't have really anyone in their life. [46:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: No idea. And so the people that they feel most comfortable with are going to be people who are just like their parents, who are going to screw them over. And it happened again. But also, I wasn't surprised with Roman in the election. I was with Kendall. I really thought he might not do it. And then I really thought Greg might pause long enough to keep it from happening. And they all did it. They just went for it. [47:10] Portia Pendleton: Porsche and so that that scene or that episode about the election was so chilling. Well, I guess this does affect people's mental health, but, like, I thought it was just such a testament to, you know, what many I wouldn't call them conspiracy theorists, but people believe like, does happen. Like, I do think it kind of there's powerful people who control, you know, who gets elected, so on and so forth. These news people calling it the news stations, though I was and maybe this is true or not. I feel like that is something that I never thought of, how important networks are in calling states for different right. Politicians. Exactly. [47:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, wow, this is. [47:57] Portia Pendleton: Interesting, just on, like, a factual side. But I thought it was so chilling. I think there were absolute parallels right. To reality and people's fears with the. [48:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Balances catching on fire. And they're like, well, there's nothing precedented for this. Let's call it for mango. Oh, my God. [48:17] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [48:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was eerily. I'm afraid to say accurate because I don't know if that's actually true. Right. I'd like to think this doesn't really happen, but it definitely made you go, yeah. [48:28] Portia Pendleton: And Romans just like he said, to shift something like, well, it doesn't matter. Nothing's going to happen. And she was like, Things do happen, Roman. [48:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Roman, things do matter. [48:38] Portia Pendleton: And then you see kind of the next episodes with all the protest, right? That's why Rava is afraid to take the kids to the funeral, because there's a lot of protesters and a lot of people don't like the Roys because of ATN and so on and so forth. So it's like, that all kind of came to be because of the election. And then Roman running in the streets, which is so interesting. He seeks them out. He's fighting with them. He's egging them on. [49:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: And he was I also pushed that as like, he's so angry that his dad died and then this happened, and he's just so full of rage, and he just climbs over the hurdle and gets in it. And I was like, Are they famous enough in society for those protesters to know that's Roman Roy and ATN just called it? Would they know that? Or is it like, if I saw a Murdoch on the street, I wouldn't. [49:29] Portia Pendleton: Know who they were? [49:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know what I mean? [49:31] Portia Pendleton: His suit, right? It was perfect. [49:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then how he's getting totally pummeled and then trampled over, and I was like, this is Roman. This is him. And then again with Kendall. This is Kendall. This is who Kendall is. And his character, his authentic character with not being able to I just can't fathom it, Portia, that this election is already affecting his family, his children. And even knowing that he still can't put that in front of sticking it to **** after he hears what she's doing in order to get what he needs, he still can't appreciate how terrified his family is, where they wouldn't go, the funeral, where he's only thinking, what's the world going to think if my family's not there? And I'm about to ascend to power. It's just so sick. [50:28] Portia Pendleton: Right. And another reason why he can't he is trying so hard to be Logan, and he is not. [50:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: That that's a good thing. [50:38] Portia Pendleton: Right. If he could go to therapy and. [50:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Realize that's a good thing, let's harness those parts of you that aren't like him and just stop trying, Kendall, and take your bazillion dollars. Take, like, two years off. Get really good therapy, get sober, and then get into music. Do what you want, Randall. [50:59] Portia Pendleton: Be a rapper. [51:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [51:01] Portia Pendleton: It was really hard to watch. I think at the end, I felt sorry for Kendall, but I was kind of, like, done with him until he. [51:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Again is, like, walking toward the water. And once again, we're thinking, will he or won't he? [51:14] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [51:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: Will he or won't he? And then the bodyguards, like, lurking in the back, because I think he knows what's about to happen. I think a lot of people think he did. I mean, I kind of think he did. Like, after it cut to black, it remind me of kind of like The Sopranos, where it cuts to black, but if not, then I feel like. [51:34] Portia Pendleton: Without help or without some shift, we see kind of like an overdose. Accidental, maybe more intentional or something with water, which he seems to really like. [51:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, he's like the theme of water in Kendall throughout the whole show has been so interesting. Right. And I'm sure that's intentional. [51:55] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. The pool and then him kind of walking out, even when they were at. [52:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: The Mom's Island, and he's, like, swimming out to the raft, and they're thinking about murdering him. It's in the middle of water. Drowning with the waiter at his wedding within water. Then he takes that bath. Like, there's something about water. It's like, maybe Kendall, take some time off, get some therapy, and then become a swim instructor. [52:21] Portia Pendleton: Do something with water. [52:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Do something with water. Like aqua therapy or help other people in the water. But he's not he can't possibly. [52:32] Portia Pendleton: And then so we wanted to briefly talk a little bit about Tom and Greg. [52:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then I decided I also want to give Willa a little do, because, God, I love Willa. But yeah. Tom and Greg, the disgusting brothers. How did you feel when Tom put that purple sticker? [52:49] Portia Pendleton: Oh, my gosh. [52:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Forehead. [52:51] Portia Pendleton: I really liked it. [52:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I almost cried. [52:55] Portia Pendleton: I want you first of all, that he kept the stickers right from he just happened to have it, and then he put it right on his head. And I really like Tom in Tom and Greg. Me too. Greg is like greg was just, like, bothersome to me. I thought he was so irritating within the funeral. Like, he was dynamic and the grief and being sorry and trying to hug them, and they were like, Greg, get out. Like, you're so annoying. Like, you don't care. It's so clear that you're trying to attach yourself to someone. [53:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. But again, it's like, that tracks for him. Oh, yeah. I kept hoping that Greg was going to be kind of normal and might save the day, especially with the election, when he was like, It's my job. He was talking to that girl that I think he was kind of seeing, but, no, he just falls right in line. He wants the power, too. And again, it was like that sticker scene with Tom and Greg was so endearing, but also not right, because I think Tom is like, I need Greg. [53:57] Portia Pendleton: Right. [53:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And Tom needs someone to beat up on the way he's beat up on metaphorically by everyone around him. He needs someone to quite physically beat up on when he gets upset. Right. And that's the purpose Greg serves. So then it's kind of icky. [54:12] Portia Pendleton: I felt like Greg evened the power dynamic a little bit by slapping Tom back in the bathroom. I think if Tom had just done it, it would have felt like obviously, but worse. But by Greg kind of coming back, it was then more just like a slap fight. And maybe Tom likes I think so he's proud of him, right, when he backstabs someone or when he's, like, blackmailing people. So I think he was happy to see that reaction. [54:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And that way it's weird because you might think that Tom wants someone below him who's just like Tom, who he can just totally abuse and manipulate and. [54:52] Portia Pendleton: Will do whatever he says. [54:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: And Greg isn't quite like that. Like, Greg held onto the documents. He slaps him back. He has backstabbed him and stuff. And Tom kind of likes that. Just like in Shiv, actually, if you think about it, tom's, like, attracted to that. And in that way, Tom kind of reminds me of Roman and being attracted to these people who serve a purpose and hurt you. Yeah. [55:16] Portia Pendleton: He gave an interview, Matthew, and he was talking about some of just the voice tones. And when he is talking to Greg, there's like a lot of pauses. It's more blunted or loud. [55:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then when he's talking to Shiv, he gets a little bit of a high pitched voice. And he said that was out of, like, fear. Oh, this is so interesting. I want to watch that interview. That is so fascinating. Because Shiv has the power until now, right? Yeah. God, what a fascinating character. I want to see what happens with Tom and Greg. I would like a snap of them. Also, I just thought it was so interesting to me how Greg was so tall. I think I looked it up and he's 6ft, seven inches, so he's way tall. And just the whole dynamic of him being this random cousin with no power, he's trying to warm his way in, but he has this height and this stature and how that just lends him to having this power in the room that other people blow him. Don't have. It's just fascinating. [56:16] Portia Pendleton: It's like he's hard to miss. [56:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [56:18] Portia Pendleton: Always kind of notice. [56:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Exactly. And then Willa, God bless Willa, she's going to live in Logan's big house with her cow print couch all by herself because she's found a way for Connor to be some ambassador somewhere or something. [56:36] Portia Pendleton: Slovenia. [56:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Or even if that doesn't pan out, which it probably won't, let's be honest, she'll find a way for him to go back to Montana or something, and she's just going to live it up. [56:48] Portia Pendleton: Willa and Greg are clever and in different ways. [56:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [56:56] Portia Pendleton: I think they're both good at getting their needs met. I think they have different personalities and stuff like that. But I think they know how to play the game, know how to ultimately get what they want. I think I see Willa as a little bit more likable than Greg. Maybe some people feel the other way around, but I just think it's interesting. [57:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. This show, man, what a great show. I'm really going to miss it. I'm really sad it's over, but I also feel like this is the ending. Yeah. This feels like, okay, this is the ending. [57:29] Portia Pendleton: Roman we both have the most hope. [57:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: For getting into therapy. [57:33] Portia Pendleton: He's having a martini, which we think could be related to as a cheers to Jerry or Shiv. [57:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [57:41] Portia Pendleton: And he's out. [57:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: He looked like, peaceful and content. I don't think he'll get therapy. I don't think he'll get DBT or anything. [57:51] Portia Pendleton: But maybe he'll stumble across on his world journeys. [57:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Or sucked into a cult. [57:58] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I was going to say, which is funny. Or joined some wellness center, which is also known as sometimes they're a little culty. [58:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [58:09] Portia Pendleton: But I could see that him kind of accidentally stumbling into something that's actually helpful. Shiv, she is. I have attached to ATN and Royco. [58:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: I feel like she is just going to live such an empty, sad life and she doesn't have to. Right? Like, she could make different decisions and really learn to heal and do some attachment parenting with her child. The wealth, you know what I mean? But it's not about the money. Exactly. The money is not the thing for them. It's the power. And like, the getting one over. [58:46] Portia Pendleton: And then Jeremy Strong talked about an alternative ending where he felt compelled because he's a method actor, as we've talked about, to almost act a scene where he kills himself. So he's, like, climbing over the edge and he gets stopped by someone else on set. [59:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think it was the bodyguard. Yeah, I could totally see that happening. Or, like we said, an overdose in the next year or two, whether intentional or not. I don't know if he'll ever see his kids again after that whole thing. I kind of hope not. That scene made me so uncomfortable. Or he's, like literally getting in the way of the car and the kids are watching all of this. You're just. Like, if this is what you're doing in broad daylight in front of people, what did you do to this family in the privacy of your home? Makes me scared. Yeah. And Connor, I think he'll be okay. Yeah. [59:40] Portia Pendleton: He'll either be a diplomat somewhere no, that will happen. [59:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: He will be go back to his. [59:45] Portia Pendleton: Little ranch in the middle of nowhere, conserving water and having a little empire. I think Carl and Frank, as they kind of giggled to each other, what do you think? Do you want to stick around? And they were both like, maybe so I don't know if they can detach themselves. [01:00:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know if Tom will keep him around, though. [01:00:05] Portia Pendleton: He said that? No, he said goodbye, but I thought that was funny how it's like you guys have been trying to get this golden parachute forever and yet you're thinking. [01:00:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: About staying for till I all of you just like, go on your merry way. It's wild. [01:00:20] Portia Pendleton: The power of power. So stick around. We will be covering more Max shows, hopefully that have also good intro music as well. [01:00:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: White Lotus is coming. Exactly. [01:00:32] Portia Pendleton: Euphoria. [01:00:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Speaking of cults, we're going to be talking about Yellow Jacket season two in the next couple of weeks. Yeah. And find us on Instagram at Analyze scripts. We're on TikTok now at Analyze Scripts podcast, and please don't forget to rate, review, subscribe and share with your friends near and far. [01:00:50] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, thanks for listening. [01:00:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: All right, see you next Monday. [01:00:53] Portia Pendleton: Bye. [01:00:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of analyzed scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with your friends and rate, review and subscribe, that's fine. All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nea

Abby, Patrick, and Dan get into the great Oedipal drama of our times: Succession. They discuss a ludicrously capacious number of versions of the Oedipus story; the development of the Oedipus complex throughout Freud's writing; Freud's notion of the primal father and the band of brothers who gather together to overthrow him; the real-life billionaire primitive accumulation monster dads who want to reverse-age themselves and live forever; Succession's Oedipal double binds and Oedipal victories; how the show thematizes patrimony, inheritance, and destiny; what it is to have “the phallus” (and why the Roy kids don't have it); Shiv as thwarted phallic mother; and Kendall's symbolic castration.The Atlantic article referenced in the episode is, “The Secret Fears of the Super Rich,” by Graeme Wood: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/04/secret-fears-of-the-super-rich/308419/  Have you noticed that Freud is back? Got questions about psychoanalysis? Or maybe you've traversed the fantasy and lived to tell the tale? Leave us a voicemail! 484 775-0107 A podcast about psychoanalysis, politics, pop culture, and the ways we suffer now. New episodes on Saturdays. Follow us on social media: Linktree: https://linktr.ee/OrdinaryUnhappiness Twitter: @UnhappinessPod Instagram: @OrdinaryUnhappiness Patreon: patreon.com/OrdinaryUnhappiness Theme song: Formal Chicken - Gnossienne No. 1 https://open.spotify.com/album/2MIIYnbyLqriV3vrpUTxxO Provided by Fruits Music

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A successor is named. Mike and Anna recap the last ever episode of Succession, season 4 episode 10, "With Eyes Open". This conversation was livestreamed, you can watch it here. Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we're analyzing the third season of "Succession" on HBOMax. In this episode, we continue exploring the evolution of the adult siblings with a focus on different manifestations of a "wounded narcissist" in Kendall and Roman. We also spend time exploring the theme of the Roman and Shiv being drawn to romantic partners who are psychologically similar to their parents. We unpack various betrayals that occured throughout the season, culminating in Tom showing his true colors. We hope you enjoy! Instagram TikTok YouTube Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriend. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts. [00:31] Portia Pendleton: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. All right. Porsche, season three of succession. What a doozy. [01:02] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [01:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow. Wow. [01:05] Portia Pendleton: Watched it really fast. And then I and then I tried to kind of rewatch it again because there was so much good content and character development and character crumbling and character everything. [01:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And some of the lines were so funny, but perfect. I think it was episode five where Logan has the UTI. I think that might be, like, my favorite episode of television. Ever. [01:28] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, ever. [01:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so funny. Like, I'm going to watch it again after this. [01:33] Portia Pendleton: I need to I think you had sent me a text, and we're like, oh, my gosh, have you seen episode five yet? And I was like, no, I haven't, and just kind of, like, seeing all the different shenanigans take place. And even so funny as, like, yes, that he thinks that there's a cat underneath his seat, but then them having to keep running back and forth, giving Frank notes, he's like, stalling the shareholder, and they're just talking nonsense, and Greg's the one running back and forth with the notes. [02:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: So funny. [02:02] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I know. [02:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: I want to watch it again because it's so ridiculous. I feel like that must have been a fun one to film. And I feel like they were owed that. They have a lot of intense scenes. It was nice to see this. And just as a plug, perfect depiction of how UTIs can affect someone's cognitive function. So I had no idea. [02:25] Portia Pendleton: So please share. [02:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Why my gosh. So UTIs, urinary tract infections. As a psychiatrist, whenever you are evaluating, like, anyone, but especially an older person with rapid onset cognitive change, you check a UTI. Most of the time, it's honestly a UTI. It's some kind of infection. It really can affect them cognitively. I can't tell you how many times in training in the emergency room, we would get a consult for an 85 year old with, quote, unquote, new onset schizophrenia. Spoiler alert. That is not a thing. That is, like, less than 1% chance of someone getting schizophrenia for the first time at 85 years old. 99.99%. [03:04] Portia Pendleton: It's a UTI. So is it the age? [03:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I mean, when you're older, your system is just more fragile, like, more vulnerable to things. Oftentimes when you're older, you're on a lot of medications for, like, blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, bladder issues, all these other things which all the medications can have side effects, they can interact, and your system is just more susceptible to an infection. And that's one of the ways it can present. So it's super important to keep that in mind if you have older family members and they start acting differently. I mean, it can also have things like paranoia or hallucinations. Like he displays the cat and all this stuff. I was just like, this is perfect. This is so perfect. And you just need to start some antibiotics. But I just thought that was so just what a funny detail. And I love that episode. [04:00] Portia Pendleton: And that woman with the long, dark, dark brown or black hair and bangs. [04:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Who we see Logan, who's like her new secretary or something. [04:08] Portia Pendleton: She knows, right? She had she was also like, is she a nurse? Because she seemed so quick and on it with the medications and having them and knowing the side effects. I was like, what is her role? So maybe she has maybe that's a requirement, his assistance or maybe like medical training. [04:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, or maybe like, she's the only one who knows about his medical stuff. [04:33] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, she said he didn't want anyone else to know. [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And again, because I think this show is such a fascinating depiction of a narcissist aging where it's so threatening to your sense of self to be weak or vulnerable or inferior. And again, it's like, yes, he feels that way because of his personality traits, but also there is truth in that, like, in his role as head of this huge company that's, like, having a lot of financial issues, sort of having a hard time keeping up with the times and with streaming and all this stuff. He can't hear weak or vulnerable. We saw that in season one when he tries to go give a speech, and now we're seeing it here where he wants to, again, give a speech, but he's got a UT. And they're like, oh, you can't do that. Literally, I just loved how even then, the siblings are all like, well, dad has to agree with this. And so then Shiv calls off the deal, and then they're like, oh, no, dad is not in his but they. [05:34] Portia Pendleton: Like, almost I was surprised at how long it took them to get there. [05:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: To figure out that he wasn't okay. [05:40] Portia Pendleton: It was like multiple things were happening. And I was like, hello. Hello. Who's going to pick it up? That he's acting very strangely. And Tom is the one who's like, I think there's something wrong with your dad. [05:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's because Tom is removed enough where he can tolerate again, because it probably hasn't been safe for them to question their dad or be like, hey, dad, are you okay? You know what I mean? That's not like a safe thing to do. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, just a little plug UTIs. Can have significant cognitive effects, especially when you're older. Always get checked for UTI or make sure your family member is if they're older and have new onset cognitive changes. Like, we could save lives with this. PSA. [06:27] Portia Pendleton: That was news for me. [06:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like, yes. Hooray hooray. This psychiatrist is so proud of that depiction. Anyway, getting away from urinary tract infections and back to season three. So quick plot recap. End of season two, I found myself, like, cheering from the balcony when Kendall did a total reverse and my jaw. [06:52] Portia Pendleton: Was on the floor, right? Yeah. [06:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you were like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I really didn't see it coming. I thought he was going to take the fall. He was going to be the blood sacrifice, as Logan says. How sick was that, too? In season two, they were all trying to decide who should be sacrificed. [07:07] Portia Pendleton: I know, but at the end of. [07:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: The day, I was like, I know it's going to be Kendall. Why are we even pretending? What's this? [07:12] Portia Pendleton: I think he was waiting for Kendall. [07:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: To step up or something. That's a good point. That's interesting to think about, too, now that in this season, tom stepped up to say he would take the fall to jail. It's interesting. I was so proud. And then I was like, why am I so proud? [07:31] Portia Pendleton: This is all so and we both kind of think and agreed that it seemed like Logan, even though he was being royally screwed, he seemed proud of Kendall. [07:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Because remember, Kendall was like, just be real with me, dad. You are never going to give me the company. Right? And he's like, you're not a killer. You could do everything you want, but you're not a killer. And again, it's like Kendall will never be good enough for his dad no matter what. So in a weird way, even though Kendall's saying he's trying to do good, he's not. I think he's trying to win his dad's approval by being like his dad. And in a way, I feel like Logan respects it, but can't tolerate it because there's no room for him. Right? [08:15] Portia Pendleton: Right. I think it has to be that way. It just fits the personality traits. We see Kendall then kind of doing more and more things in season three that just feel so different right. From season one. Kind of see his arc of turning just into seemingly more like grandiose delusional, detached from kind of a reality, in a way. [08:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. But I feel like that's probably who Kendall really is. I feel like in season one, it started off with him getting out of rehab. He was probably at his quote unquote best, like, trying really hard. [08:53] Portia Pendleton: He was clean during season. [08:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: He was clean. He was about to take the reins. He looked anxious a lot of the times, but I think he was doing the right thing. And now that hasn't gotten him anywhere. And in fact, his dad's like, you're never going to get the business because you're not a killer, right? So now he's like, fine, here you go. And I think he's sick of being this taking the fall for everything. [09:20] Portia Pendleton: And I think Kendall, if we think of him receiving treatment and being his best self, I don't think, as we have said before, it's safe for him to be his best self. So I think he's coping right now with substances because that's honestly what's safer. Unless he wants to totally estrange himself from his family, get out the shares, be bought out, take his money and go somewhere else and do whatever and do the work. Right? Then have the therapy, then kind of reestablish himself, then do the skills if he thinks he needs it, maybe some medications. But it's like, until that happens, if it ever does, which I doubt, I. [09:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Think this is his best this is how he survived. Yeah. [10:01] Portia Pendleton: This is how he's like, okay, right. [10:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: And just what? Mixed messages from Logan. Right? Because it's like, okay, I go to rehab. I'm clean. I'm doing all the businessy stuff. I'm showing up on time. I'm responsible. You say you're going to give me the company, then you don't. Okay, that's confusing. Like, why not? What am I not doing? Oh, I'm not ruthless enough or vengeful enough or things like that. Okay, so now I'm going to do that and still not getting right. What is it, dad? What do you want from me? [10:31] Portia Pendleton: And then I accidentally kill someone. And then you give me a hug and you call me your son and you bring me in, and then you abuse me and use me. And it's like he's reached this kind of breaking point where he's just I was himself in the best ability that he can be under substance use. [10:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think he feels so low and so insecure and so hopeless. I was worried this whole season that he was going to kill himself. [10:55] Portia Pendleton: So we didn't talk about this, but. [10:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: In season, I think it was two. I think I know where you're going. [11:00] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So he's up on the roof. There's a couple of scenes where he's on the roof and just looking over. And then I think it's the end of season. It's the end of one of the seasons, not three, where he finally goes back up there and there's this long right, clear wall put up, and it's like, who did that watching him? How did they know. [11:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: He'S thinking about it? I wonder, though, do we pick that up because we're therapists and stuff? Would the average person watching, seeing him look out, think like, I think you're thinking about suicide here. [11:38] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I feel like some yeah, just because I mean, it seems intentional. Like, it seems like we're supposed to. [11:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then they show you with the plexiglass or whatever it is. When I used to work for Yale, I remember actually, I didn't know this till I worked there, that in college. Mental health balconies and stuff like that are like a hot topic because they pose such a serious suicide risk for people being able to jump off the roof or jump off of this balcony or that balcony that people go around and measure the height and put up those plexiglass things and lock the doors to the roof and all these things that I never knew, but which make a lot of sense. So I don't know. It was interesting. Yeah, I definitely thought of that. And then the whole season, I was just like, again, he has narcissistic personality disorder. Kendall. I mean, they all do to some degree, but definitely Kendall. He has substance use disorder. Those co occur very frequently. He probably has some anxiety, which often co occurs. He might have depression, which often co occurs with all this stuff. His risk for suicide is so high. [12:47] Portia Pendleton: Given all of that and all of the environmental triggers. Right. It doesn't seem like he sees his kids much. It seems like he is aware that there's a lot of people using him. He's totally estranged in a very dysfunctional way from his family, even though he. [13:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: Feels that would be, like, the healthiest thing. But he keeps getting ostracized, and it's like, with each season, it's more and more and more, and this season it's really intense, where Logan tells the secretary, block his number for good. [13:17] Portia Pendleton: The birthday card. [13:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: The birthday card where he's like, Take your shares and **** off. But then that was all a ruse. That was all manipulative, right? Because then finally, at their mom's wedding, kendall sits down with Logan and is like, okay, I want to take you up on this. I want to get bought out and leave. Right? And, like, you're saying, Portia. I was like, Why didn't he do this earlier? Just get out already. And then he won't let him. I know he won't. [13:46] Portia Pendleton: I want to keep you close. Or what if I want to keep you close? [13:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was, like, so chilling, that scene between them, and even with Logan making his grandson try the food because he thought Kendall maybe poisoned him, when really the kids thought that earlier in the season. With the donuts, it's just like that degree of mistrust and danger they grew up with that constantly. [14:16] Portia Pendleton: That's real. [14:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's real. [14:17] Portia Pendleton: Had a huge reaction to the donuts, then kind of Roman kind of joked about it. They kind of, like, laughed off. None of them ate that. [14:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: They were all ate them. They all knew. [14:25] Portia Pendleton: And then they felt uncomfortable, and then they left and dispersed. It was just such a gesture that had huge implications. [14:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: And Logan knows what he's doing. And again, I'm like, were they poisoned? We'll never know because no one ate them. But I wouldn't be surprised, would you? [14:43] Portia Pendleton: No, I wouldn't be surprised. [14:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm sure Logan has poisoned someone somewhere. Along the way. Why not have kids? [14:49] Portia Pendleton: And even just something to like right. We're not talking about death, but we're talking about incapacitation. Whether that be having to be in the bathroom all day or like a date rape drug. Like you're just kind of out for a couple of hours. [15:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hypno or something. Right, exactly. Yeah. That's chilling. Just chilling. [15:13] Portia Pendleton: I thought Kendall kind of broke my heart. Or I felt so bad for him when he was at his birthday party. And Roman, I don't think meant to push him to the floor, but pushes him. I think Pet push him. Like, get goodbye done. And then Kendall falls in front of everyone and it just like where he had mentally, I was like, oh, my gosh. I just felt so sad for him. [15:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [15:41] Portia Pendleton: Like, he's lost, he's empty, he's surrounded by all of these people, and he feels like he's looking for his kids gift. [15:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: He didn't find it. I know. Yeah, I know. [15:53] Portia Pendleton: That was hard to watch. [15:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Kendall is just, like, such a compelling character. Again. I just am. Like, I hope Jeremy strong isn't therapy. [16:01] Portia Pendleton: I know. [16:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's married to a psychiatrist. We learned he's the method actor who's always in character. So I'm just really concerned for him doing this for this long. But I mean, you just really see Kendall unravel and all of that going on that show with Zway and then having this huge 40th birthday party, going to the park and inviting all these big fancy people. It's all so sad to me because. [16:28] Portia Pendleton: He feels so, like, firing team after team after team lawyers. [16:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: I loved when that lawyer asked him, like, do you think you're smarter than me? Because he does. He thinks he's smarter than he's not. [16:40] Portia Pendleton: I thought his response was interesting. It was like a non response. But then he responds by firing her. [16:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [16:45] Portia Pendleton: So that is the response. So he does think he's so disrespectful. [16:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: When he was like, let's just try harder. Yeah, let's just try harder. And it's like, oh, my God, dude, you're the one who's not taking in any feedback. [16:58] Portia Pendleton: So let's talk about the pool. He was kind of laying on there. So when we saw that, I was like, okay, we're staying here for a while. It was a long scene of seeing him float. And I was like I was like. [17:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: It'S coming, it's coming. [17:12] Portia Pendleton: What's going to happen? So it seems like he was on. [17:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Substances in his hands. He's at least drinking. He probably has been on substances, right? Like, the whole time. I think it was intentional. I don't think it was an accident. I think especially because he's been so ostracized. And then they get to their mother's wedding and she's like, oh, you can't come to these things because Logan's going to be there. [17:35] Portia Pendleton: And he's like, so he says your son can't come because of the ex husband who you hate? [17:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And she's like, Yep. Because the ex husband, who I hate, can do something right. And, like, my new husband wants those optics. I mean, like, how much more can Kendall be, like, kicked in the ground? How much more? [17:58] Portia Pendleton: And I just couldn't think, too. It's like the gaslighting. You can tell, wanting to turn to this imaginary person, being like, do you hear you hearing this? [18:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: This is crazy. Right? [18:11] Portia Pendleton: And then, of course, this makes sense. It's 4 hours, Ken. It's not a big deal. [18:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: All the minimization and dismissal, that happens a lot with Kendall. It happens a lot with Shiv, a lot with her. But he's so hopeless. It made me so sad that his kids were right there. That was the part where I was like, I don't know. [18:34] Portia Pendleton: And Logan was, like, talking to the kids. He made some comment, like, I don't remember exactly, but he alluded to, like, you know, your dad's okay, right? It's fine. And I just thought that that was interesting. [18:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Why? [18:55] Portia Pendleton: I feel like I couldn't tell the purpose. Are you saying that to them so that these kids don't become really screwed up because, again, you're related to them? Is there anything there? I feel like he has a little bit of sociopathic traits, but is there any normalcy of you're, this grandfather figure? They know their dad just, like, almost died. [19:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Are you trying to come from Christ? [19:25] Portia Pendleton: And I feel like he's not a Joe Goldberg. He's horrible and narcissistic, but that's where I was like, what is the purpose here? And then he immediately is kind of making fun of his grandson for that book. [19:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's like but also, I can't remember the content of the book, but it seemed really on point with what had just happened with the dad. To me, there was a clear emotional connection. There was something about a parent leaving, but then coming back. I wish I and his sister was. [19:51] Portia Pendleton: Like, oh, he likes to read it sometimes, and it's like it's probably, like, comforting for him because he's so upset. [19:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: But instead, he's like, so and so. Give me a new book with action. Right? Yeah, give me an action book. This is what boys should read. So I don't know. And then we just remember that was the little boy. He'd, like, punched his face, and then he asked to try his food. Yes. So it's like, I don't god, you. [20:18] Portia Pendleton: Got to hope that they're getting some balance with rava. [20:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: I hope so, right? [20:25] Portia Pendleton: Oh, and then the guinea pig or the rabbit? [20:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: The rabbit again, because Kendall thinks he knows everything. He's like, Just feed the rabbit the bagel. Just feed the bagel. I think the rabbit, like, dies or gets really sick, and then the kids wrap the wrapping paper in a rabbit wrapping paper. So in that way, it's like, the kids are also, like, knocking him down. [20:43] Portia Pendleton: And you can see Kendall's again another moment. The whole birthday party was really so sad. But when he's digging through all the gifts and it's so important that he finds the kids gift, and I get that. I feel that he wanted to open he probably wanted to text them or see what they got him that makes him feel good. They got me a gift. [21:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: But it also highlights how disconnected he is from them that he doesn't even know. Right. [21:10] Portia Pendleton: I think he was surprised that maybe they got him something and then find it. I was like, I think she wants. [21:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: To find the gift. I think she said they made it for him, like, it was homemade. And Roman, a lot of times, is always talking about how, like, oh, Kendall can't find his kids again. Oh, where are the kids? And he is absent from their life. And then it's like, well, maybe that's what's best for them. I hate to say it, but maybe I'm hoping Rava's like, protecting them or shielding them somehow. She has to, because he can't do that for them. [21:44] Portia Pendleton: Right. [21:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, he can't fully protect them from his dad. Yeah. Like, I just really feel for Kendall. And then near the end when he finally has that breakdown, which reminds us of the little breakdown he had in season two with Shiv where they don't get into the details, but there was, like, a moment of genuine connection between them where you're like, oh, I didn't know you guys were capable. [22:13] Portia Pendleton: And Shiv seems so caught off guard at first, and it seemed like it took her a lot to be like, oh, no, this is real. I'm not being manipulated. This isn't fake. Someone's not trying to get one over on me. And then she hugs him, and they're in the office, I believe, and he's just, like, crying. And I think she doesn't know what to do with that. [22:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: From season two. [22:36] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. And then she hugs him, and he's like, can you just take care of me? And she's like, okay. And I think she's really caught off guard and confused. [22:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: He doesn't even know what that means. Yeah, I think he was crying to her about feeling like realizing all I'm worth is what I'm worth. That's it. And that's so true, unfortunately, and so sad. And around then, I was like, oh, no. I'm really worried about his safety. Really worried. [23:01] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So I thought it was a nice moment. I was really rooting for the three of them. I thought that all of their responses were, like, spot on. I thought the acting like they were awkward because they don't know how to do emotions, trying to joke it off that he's not getting better. You know what I mean? So then she kind of puts his arm her hand on his shoulder. Roman kind of crouches down, and they're, like, in it. [23:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they're like they're getting closer to that physically, their proximity. [23:35] Portia Pendleton: And then she gets also during this time of that, they're about to lose everything. So then she's getting a call. She has to walk away. They're like, Kendall, we need to we got to go. But I thought it was, like, a nice moment for the three of them. It seemed like they trauma bonded, and then they kind of go off to try to stop what's happening. But I want to rewatch that moment. I don't know why. I just thought it was nice. And I do too. [24:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: I, like, want to, like, reanalyze it, you know, because I think you're right, I think. And again, it's like, kudos to the creators and the writers and the actors for getting that body language, the staging of how far away are the siblings? And they come close, and then they get pulled away, and it's so good. You are really depicting this so well. I'm just so impressed Kendall has, which. [24:30] Portia Pendleton: Again, I thought just was so great, them walking away like Shiv. And shiv is still the most put together. Roman's hair, because it always kind of is a little disheveled. And then Kendall, we see him with all the dried, like, mud, right, like, on his pants, and he's just, like, kind of shuffling. And again, he just looks broken. He looks like a broken one. [24:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: He does. He needs to be admitted to an inpatient psychiatric unit, like, yesterday. I'm just so worried for him. But of course, he gets taken to a hospital and cleared and goes home that day. Right. Because it's probably like, oh, I just fell asleep. I had too many mimosas or lemon cellos or whatever they were drinking. But I'm like, yeah, being intoxicated contributed, but I also think it tracks. [25:17] Portia Pendleton: Oh, yeah, he's at risk. [25:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Super. [25:19] Portia Pendleton: And we saw that all the way through the beginning, the glancing down the building. [25:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I'd be surprised if that was the first time this happened for him. [25:30] Portia Pendleton: So, Roman, in season three, we had two responses. [25:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I want to hear about yours. [25:36] Portia Pendleton: So I liked him the least until I think this is the most, I haven't liked him in a season. So I still thought the moments with Jerry were, like, funny, interesting, ha ha, light. And then I really liked him making the decision to get in the car, to go to kind of to challenge Logan in the last episode. But I felt like his behavior in this season was really disgusting, and I know it has been before. It just really bothered me. I liked him the least overall. I will say, after watching the final episode, I like him again. I don't know that helped, but during all of the inner episodes, I really, really was upset with him, and I. [26:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Had the opposite reaction, where I really liked him a lot better than Kendall. I don't know, I guess I felt like he was finally getting a chance. I think Roman probably has the greatest amount of genuine love for Logan. Of all the siblings, I don't think that's healthy. I think they have a very sadomasochistic bond with Logan, hurting him and Roman taking it as like a way of feeling close to him. But I feel like finally with Kendall so ostracized, it was like Roman finally got a chance to kind of shine. And I guess that started at the end of season two when he went overseas. And then there was that weird terrorist breakdown or hold down or whatever, and. [27:16] Portia Pendleton: Carl was like, I just want you to know I'm having a panic attack. [27:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like, you would never be able to tell, but I am. When that happened, I was like, did Logan orchestrate this? Is he trying to keep Roman out of here? Is he trying to kill Roman? Is he trying to create some things to get press about, like, oh, Roman Roy almost dies and to take the heat off. But I don't know, I guess I felt like again, the businessy words go above my head a lot of the times. But it seemed like Logan was actually taking Roman's opinions into consideration, and that Roman, it turns out, has good instincts about things, like when he would go to try to make deals, like even that one overseas in season two. And they comes back and he's like, it's not going to happen. I feel like he has a good read on people. So then I started thinking like, is he the surprise smart one? Is he the one who all along should have been listened to and hasn't been? So I think that was the part where I was like and then the way he can talk to the president, he can talk to the fancy people and sort of move things along. I don't know, I guess I was like, good for you, Roman. Like the underdog coming through. But then he is like awful in so many other ways. [28:31] Portia Pendleton: So the one thing about, I think borderline that I just was kind of recalling when I was thinking about Roman in season three is that your symptoms become more severe when you're activated by uncomfortable emotions or pressure or something that's intense. And I think him being now like the golden child with his dad is so much pressure, so much pressure. He doesn't want to give this up. He's also just like around, it seems like his dad a lot. And so I think that his Bpd traits are stronger where he is idolizing his dad so much. I think he always has. I think it's like we're seeing it so obviously here the devaluation of others, including Shiv, which I feel like they have this, again, kind of gross, but banter. That feels normal for them. [29:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's like a gross, like old boys club, but it's like their daughter and sister. So it's really gross, right? [29:29] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, it feels like for me, like Roman more so which again, I don't know why I'm saying this, because then I'm thinking back to season. One, and I disagree. But he crosses the line more. I felt like in season three with doing things and saying things that I was more disgusted with. [29:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Do you think maybe it was because in other seasons he'd done that with random people and now it's like his siblings sure. Like the way he treated Kendall at the birthday party was so gross. And shiv was shiv the whole time. [29:59] Portia Pendleton: So that's when it came out, I think that the company was having Kendall's kids followed and talked to and Shiv was like, what? That's disgusting. And Roman was like, we knew. What do you mean? Yeah, that's what happens, right? There was this weird kind of rift or separation going on, that morality. [30:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, we were talking about how in some ways it seemed like Kendall's becoming more and more like Logan, even like when they're wearing the exact same navy hat and these little details. But he's becoming like him with being so ruthless, like trying to make that deal with that investor, even when his dad's like, having a medical emergency. That's what his dad would do and wants him to do. But from the outside, that's so gross. Roman is also becoming like Logan in that way of just this really warped sense of morality, of any sense at all. And I think Shiv is really put off by it, but then she doesn't have a great moral compass either. So that's where it's all really interesting to me. What things each of the siblings are like, that's too far, but then the other one's like, no, that's too far. And you're like, it's been too far along, guys. [31:14] Portia Pendleton: And we see. Just like I thought it was like a funny cultural kind of poking at when they are at the which I'm assuming because Shiv is a liberal and she went to the dark side, quote unquote. So they're at the Republican kind of small convention where all the rich people pick the nominees and Shiv is having a really hard time with one of the people that they're interested in or that Roman really likes because she's like, he's horrible, he's despicable, he's doing all these things and she's like drawing the line there. [31:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, she doesn't want to get in the photo. [31:47] Portia Pendleton: Right. [31:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then Logan says to her, are you part of this family or not? And that is like such a veiled threat. Right. Because then you're going to be like. [31:55] Portia Pendleton: Kendall, right, who's not here. Exactly. [31:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: But then when they're trying to pick the nominee and the guy they were all thinking about, remember, they're like, he licks his lips a lot. Yeah, just these little things. And it's like, of course that's what they're worried about. Not the guy they end up going with who's, like, supports Nazis and it's really terrible. They're worried about the guy who licks his lips too much. But of course they are. They're narcissists, like, of course. [32:22] Portia Pendleton: And it's really so clear that they just want someone who can do what they want to because that guy initially right? He's, like, call room service, right, for the coke. And then Roman tips off the other guy to go bring him a Coke. And he does. And then they're like, oh, he's in. And it's just like really? [32:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. But that's what I mean with Roman, where he did tip off the guy. So that's where I feel like he was moving and shaken in a way that I was impressed by. And then I was like, Whoa, gross. Why am I impressed? Right? Like I was like, what's? [33:02] Portia Pendleton: Kind of attractive? [33:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, whoa. Whoa. Why am I maybe it felt like. [33:08] Portia Pendleton: He'S having more control or he's, like, finally getting out from under he thinks he's getting out from under the thumb, but he's still under it. [33:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Or, like, even more, I think. So. [33:23] Portia Pendleton: It'S not because his Bpd treats were coming out more that I didn't like him in this episode. In this episode. I think maybe it's just how he treated Shiv, to be quite honest. Maybe that's what just really bothered me, because it was so I feel like, again, her moral compass is skewed. However, she has the hardest time kind of dealing with politics, some sexual assault stuff. She knows that she's being kind of used as, like, the face where she's a female, so she should go here again, like, morally gray. But then it's like, Kendall's kids. She's like, this is a line. Why are we crying? [34:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: The family. Yeah, she'll go talk to the whistleblower and convince her not to testify. But the family there's something that seems like it should be off limits, whereas Roman that's not even off limits. Right. I'm so eager to hear your thoughts about the evolution of Roman and Jerry's relationship, if we want to call it that. [34:23] Portia Pendleton: I was, like, happy for it as it was building. And part of it just because I thought it was, like, comedic relief, totally on the surface, like, not seeing the why or why this is problematic. But I think it was just, like, a funny side story. She almost seemed in this season to be more manipulative. [34:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Jerry yeah. [34:50] Portia Pendleton: So at first I thought it was kind of like, I don't know, maybe she's maybe she's into this a little interesting and likes a young guy and keeps her jumping. [35:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I kept wondering, she has to have no wife because she's always floating around with them. But then it turns out she's got daughters. [35:06] Portia Pendleton: I was like, and this boyfriend and boyfriend. [35:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I felt like Roman really did want to marry her, be in a relationship, and she's just like, Whoa, Roman, no. [35:19] Portia Pendleton: Well, and we see him do this with a couple. With one other person or two, I think two other females that he is kind of like, in this relationship with in season one and two. He's like, well, **** it. Let's just get married. They do this and they're like, we've never had sex. No. Or, that's really way too fast. And again with Bpd, it's like, okay, idolizing them. He's impulsive. I think he gets his sense of self through others. I don't think he has a strong sense of self. I think so badly. [35:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [35:52] Portia Pendleton: Security and attachment in a relationship, and he doesn't really get that. [35:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, I think. Exactly. He wants it so badly, but he's also terrified of it. That's why I think legitimate intimacy is unsafe or feels unsafe to him. But he's like, let's just get married, and then I'll have you. You can't leave me. And yet the women he's saying that to aren't the type who just say, okay, yeah, right. They're the type who are like, well, this isn't actually cutting it for me. So in that way, he is attracting women who will then reject him. [36:24] Portia Pendleton: Which is interesting because thinking of all the women out there who he may come across, who wouldn't just be like, yeah, I'll marry you 100%. [36:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what I mean. But again, that's like, where the creators and writers and everyone involved in this show got it so right. Because he's so rejected by his mother and now he's being rejected by Jerry. He's been rejected by all these other people. He's always rejected by his dad. That's what he knows. He could find any number of girl who would like a willa. Exactly. [36:57] Portia Pendleton: To be honest. [36:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. [36:59] Portia Pendleton: But we kind of talked about how Jerry, for him, is maybe safe because she's unattainable, the age difference, the position in the company. So maybe he feels like she's safe. They poke fun, which we talked about last episode at how he wants to have sex with his mother, but it's. [37:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Frequently it's, like, really legit and really obvious and out there. And he was the only one who was, like, really upset about the mom deciding to get married again and being really concerned about the prenup and everything. Right. So I think that's just really interesting. [37:33] Portia Pendleton: So how did you react when you saw that he sent Logan the **** pic? [37:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. [37:41] Portia Pendleton: We saw it. [37:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm going to say I loved the way all that played out, like, comedically. I don't think that's appropriate, but I was like, how did that mix up happen? Did he have Freudian? Was it like right, so someone texted him, well done, Roman. I thought it was Jerry texting him that. [38:06] Portia Pendleton: So maybe he so badly wanted it to be Logan that that's why he responded. I mean, but then it got so. [38:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Someone says, well done, Logan. We think it's coming from Jerry. [38:16] Portia Pendleton: Well done, Roman. [38:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sorry. Well done, Roman. Write the text. We think it's coming from Jerry. So then he texts back, and he's doing it right there in the boardroom, like, under the table, right there. Not going to the bath. Like, right there. There's still people milling around right and then all of a sudden it shows up on Logan's phone. So I was like, did he get the number mixed up or did he. [38:35] Portia Pendleton: Just see him sliding down in his chair? He makes eye contact with his dad and kind of like, shrugs. [38:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like he's like stripped away. And then when his dad calls him in and he's like, can you imagine just how humiliating and what are you, a sicko? And it's like, yeah, I don't know. He's like, it's just a **** pick, dad people do, like people do **** picks, whatever. And then when Shiv uses that opportunity to corner Jerry right. I was just like, oh, my God, this is all just but Jerry didn't seem phased. [39:10] Portia Pendleton: No, because I don't think anything phases Jerry. I think that she is like a secret not secret. She's something. [39:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's a sociopath or something with just like no feelings, I feel. [39:30] Portia Pendleton: Yes, because I don't know how else or has developed a coping skill to be in here, like you said, for decades. That's not typical to survive. And she doesn't seem like Frank. Where Frank has put himself in positions or challenged Logan, it seems like that's why he was fired and brought on and brought back and then he joins Team Kendall. Jerry is never in that position. She's always the right hand. She always knows what to say. I feel like even in a sense, I've never seen Logan be horrible to her. He's yelled at her and carry it over here or whatever, telling her to f off. But they seem like the most professional they're able to have this professional relationship where I don't see him abuse her in the way he abuses Carl and Frank and everyone else. [40:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, I agree with you. And I think I wonder if she is like his female equivalent in a way, because she's the general counsel, so she's like on their attorney, basically. So she knows everything. Right. It's not that she didn't know about Cruz. She didn't know about this. She knows everything. She has known everything for decades. [40:41] Portia Pendleton: I don't think Logan have had sex. I don't get a roman about it. It seems like. [40:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Because she's like his age. [40:52] Portia Pendleton: Exactly. That's the appropriate man. [40:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. That's what I mean. That's why he hasn't right. He's always going for the younger one, so that's why he doesn't see her as that kind of object. And I bet she hasn't really disagreed with him or she has, like, stuck around. Right. Like, I think what's interesting to me about Logan and thinking about the kids and somewhere in there some character said this and I was like, that is exactly right. Where it's like Logan pits them all against each other to see who's going to stick around, I think, because he's so afraid of trust and loyalty and all that stuff. And then at the very end, when the kids are in the car, they're going I was like, yes. [41:37] Portia Pendleton: You'Re uniting. [41:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're going to take it over. You're going to throw him out. Like, why haven't you done this earlier, Roman? I was like, I think he's really going to be on board this time. Although I'm a little nervous the dad will get to him and then the dad doesn't get to him. I was, like, really proud of Roman, I think, for being able to with. [41:54] Portia Pendleton: And you can see that happening in Roman's head. [41:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, you might see the kind of mental battle oh, my God, so well. And then when they realize that somehow the dad has gone to their mom to get the shares, so now he doesn't need them, and their plan has been foiled. And then Roman goes to Jerry, and on his with her on his knees, right. Again, perfection. On his knees is like, please help us. Help us. And she says something like, what's in it for me? I exploded. [42:29] Portia Pendleton: If Roman was listening, which I think he was, but if he was listening and actually had a view of a therapist, which he doesn't, she has said that to him throughout this entire time. Right. She said, every decision you make, you have to ask yourself, what's in it for me? She's, like, coaching him on this the entire time. She's talked about, we need boundaries for this. I feel like almost, in a way, it's like Roman didn't see any of that. He didn't want to. He couldn't idealizing her. Yeah. And so then she had the response that I don't think should have been surprising. [43:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: But that's what they all do, right? [43:08] Portia Pendleton: They keep coming back, they keep getting kicked. They go to their mom for support. It's like, over and over and over again. They think, these people who should right? She's like a mentor. [43:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: They should, but they don't. Like, yes, you should be able to trust your parents or the people in the company. Again. I bet they've known Jerry since they were kids. [43:30] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. Forget Jerry carl. [43:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Frank. When they when the adult kid I keep calling them kids, but when the sibling yeah. Walked in and saw all the flutter and chaos of, like, the dad, like, making the deal to get bought out. What betrayal. Yeah. What betrayal? Oh, my God. That really broke my heart. And then we see Tom, and I was like, I knew it, I knew it. I called him from the start, and interestingly, you didn't pick that up right away. [44:11] Portia Pendleton: No, I didn't even pick it up on the episode. So we talked about this a little bit before we started recording, and I had literally no idea that Tom had anything to do with that. So I don't know what that says. [44:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think you just really want to see the good in people. And I don't trust anyone, maybe. I don't know. It was like, in this whole season, right? It felt like the Roy family wanted to maintain their company and buy other companies to grow bigger and fix their debt situation, maybe get some private investments. Pick the next president who is like anti tech for a while, but he. [44:51] Portia Pendleton: Seems so dumb, like, Logan, what are you doing? [44:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, because he's like in the Dark. [44:56] Portia Pendleton: Age, not on board. I know. [44:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Until he realizes he's got to get on board. And then that Adrian Brody character, that shareholder who they fly out to, points it out. [45:10] Portia Pendleton: So that's two people so him. And then the guy who is in. [45:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Scarsgard yeah, he was in some vampire. [45:17] Portia Pendleton: Show where everyone was freaking out because you saw him nude years ago. So then he also points out Logan's Fragility and just like where the company needs to grow and stuff like that. And I thought that that was really interesting just for Logan to hear two and the second guy, and I think more so, really successful. He knows that they're next. And I think he kind of comes to the conclusion that Waystar has to do something and they can't just stick to the status quo. [45:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: But it's sad because his kids have been telling him that, but I know in all different ways he can't hear it from them, I think, because, again, I think that would shatter his sense of self. But hearing it from these other white dudes who are successful on their own and have a stake or something, at least the Adrian Brody character had a stake in the company. This other guy didn't. Right. They wanted to maybe buy his company, then they were going to be co owners and then, oh, actually, we're going to sell somehow he could hear that, remember? And then when he asked Roman to leave, I was like, oh, no. But then Roman doesn't tell anyone. [46:28] Portia Pendleton: I know. And Roman still acts, which again, it doesn't help him to do these things. [46:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [46:34] Portia Pendleton: But he needs to have Logan's support and he needs to believe that he is Logan's right hand man. So he's not going to do what would honestly help him and benefit. [46:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: They should have gotten plan in motion and called their mom then, right? They should have done all that. But I don't think he's capable. Right. In season one, he says at the wedding, like, I have borderline personality disorder or something, he's definitely demonstrating the traits. I don't think he can hold on to both of those things at the same time about his dad. He can't. [47:06] Portia Pendleton: Right. It's either dad, right, is idealized, or he devalued and it shifts back and forth and it really just shifts at the last second when he's standing in the room. Yes, he makes the decision to get in the van with them. Yes, he makes the decision to go to the meeting, but he has to decide in front of his dad right. To align himself with his siblings. [47:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow. [47:25] Portia Pendleton: Logan asks Roman to have Kendall leave and Roman's like, no, right. [47:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: And that's like, finally you guys are united. Like, I wish they would have united earlier, but then we wouldn't get this great TV. [47:36] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [47:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: So I think we want to wrap up by talking about Shiv. And it's interesting, right? Because I feel like in all of our episodes so far about succession, we talk about her a little bit, but not a lot. And that's like right. In parallel with her role in this family. [47:51] Portia Pendleton: Right. [47:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's just also kind of forgotten, like, Connor not quite as much, but she's a girl and yeah. I don't know, I just am so curious. Like, what if she'd been a boy? [48:02] Portia Pendleton: She plays the role of the girl in the family with all the boys in the patriarchy really well, most of. [48:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: The time, but she is in a lot more skirts. [48:14] Portia Pendleton: I think she purposely separates herself right. To do politics, because that way she is respected, she is in power, she is making decisions. And then, of course, she wants to be the CEO or the chairman of Wastar. But then when that seems like it's not happening, you just see her feel so much kind of thrown away more and more and more and more. And I think she can't understand why Roman, who again, has no experience doing anything, it seems like that's why Jerry was like, you need to do the management program. And Shiv has a career. Again, I see her as attending school. I see her as getting really good grades. I see her as just, like, finesse. I might have to come in and finesse. [48:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I'm so shocked she doesn't have an eating disorder. Are you shocked? [49:07] Portia Pendleton: I feel like she probably binges and purges in secret, and it's just like, not a big deal. It's just like what everybody does. [49:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, but I'm shocked. We haven't talked about yet. Maybe we'll get there, but I feel like she would, given the environment and everything we're talking about, but of course, right. [49:25] Portia Pendleton: Like, such a female. And again, just because she is a female in the family, and I think it's just I don't know how they could have written her character better. [49:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [49:35] Portia Pendleton: So we see her and Tom's relationship really interesting. I thought maybe you could speak to what you think it's like for Tom being in a relationship with I don't know if you would consider this accurate. Like a bigger narcissist. This is what I think. I think Tom has some stronger attachment abilities. [50:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [50:02] Portia Pendleton: And Shiv does not. Whether or not he's narcissistic doesn't matter in the fact that he's still trying to attach to this person. Even if there's an ulterior motive, he still wants a connection. Like, he loves her. I think he wants a relationship, and I don't think she literally can have one. [50:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [50:18] Portia Pendleton: I think he does a really good job coming out. [50:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think, with Tom, I always felt like there's something going on here and even in this season, some people would ask, why are you a Shiv? He kept getting on Greg's case, wanting to ask this girl out, that girl out. And he almost, like, coaching Greg, like, you got to go up. And that's kind of like what he did, right? So I still am dying to know how they met. I wonder if it was, like, in school or if it was, like, online dating, which I could also see, honestly. [50:51] Portia Pendleton: Like, on what's it called? Raya. [50:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, that riah, whatever it is. But I think he does a really good job portraying himself as, like, I'm a good guy from the Midwest and, like, a humble guy and stuff like that, but I just don't think he is. From the beginning, when he saw Logan being incapacitated in the hospital and thinking, okay, now is the time to propose, I just think he wants to attach to Shiv because she is Shiv Roy. I don't think he would if she didn't have that name and that potential for power. He wants to be the head of it. And in what world does he have that right? All of these the three siblings are so grossly entitled in an experience that it's laughable. But in what world does Tom from Nowhere have a right and think that because he married Shiv now he's owed? Anytime she's making moves, he's like, well, where do I stand? Where do I stand? Where do I stand? And I think season two, I sort of softened on him a bit because I felt like, well, maybe he does really love her, and now she wants this open marriage, and he didn't want that. He's saying he loves her. I think he can say all the right things. I don't think he means that. [52:03] Portia Pendleton: You think he can get her hurt? Because that's what I'm picking up on. I guess it's like, I feel sorry for him, or I feel more empathy for him when I feel like Shiv has hurt him. [52:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, you see it in his eyes, like, when they were having sex or going that way, and they're talking dirty, and she says really cutting things, like, I don't love you, but that's why you love me, like, those sorts of things. And then the next day he says that it hurts him. I don't know yet. I think we need to watch season four and see how it unfolds, because I think part of me thinks he's hurt, but the other part of me thinks he's manipulating her to get what he wants. So I don't know yet. But then at least the way I interpreted the very end was all the siblings were shocked. Like, how did he get to mom? He knew we were coming. Like, how did he know? How did he know? Roman didn't tell anyone. Kendall didn't tell anyone. Shiv told Tom because she thought she could trust him. And then all of a sudden, here comes Tom. [53:02] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. And we see. So I remember now that you say that, like, then Tom meeting with Greg, right. And like, yes, tom saying these things. And so your interpretation is that Greg then called Logan. [53:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Logan. So in the moment before we saw Tom at the end, I thought Tom was telling Greg about the siblings uniting and wanting him to come on that side, like, go with the siblings. And then Greg was like, can you tell me what this is about? And he's like, no. And I thought it was that. But now I think Tom told Greg to tip off Logan so then he could still be sort of distant from it and clean. But I think that's how Logan figured it out. I don't know if you remember, but when Shiv sees Tom walking in, logan pats his arm like, Good job. [53:49] Portia Pendleton: Which he would never do. [53:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: He would never do. Except when Tom said he would go to jail. Then he said, good job. You know what I mean? [53:58] Portia Pendleton: And then when he called him son but he was having udi. [54:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [54:01] Portia Pendleton: And then that's when Tom was like something. [54:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's when something was like, I think he's ill, but in that way, I think what a fascinating depiction of Shiv basically marrying her dad and Roman, like. [54:15] Portia Pendleton: Being attracted to his mom and Shiv marrying her dad, then ******** her. [54:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And when Tom comes up to Shiv and you see her, like, shudder, I got chills. Just the way that Sarah Snook, the actress, portrayed it. I got chills. [54:33] Portia Pendleton: I have to watch that last scene again. I feel like I didn't pick up on that. [54:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was so intense. And then the discussion between Shiv and her mom oh, my God. [54:43] Portia Pendleton: That I think it was such helpful back story gives you just such a good look at the relationship, even for all of them, because it alludes to the fact that the mom left them for money or for the shares or for something like it was a business. They were a business transaction. [54:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, exactly. They were objects even to the mom. And Shiv was like, Mom, I was ten. [55:04] Portia Pendleton: Right? [55:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was ten. And she's trying to say, like, oh, I had a really hard time watching that scene. But again, expertly written, someone on that cast must unfortunately have a mother like. [55:16] Portia Pendleton: That to write it. [55:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: That perfectly right. Whoever you are, like, I'm sorry, and I hope you have your own therapy. [55:24] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I thought it was so sad. And also interesting how Shiv has been very firm on no kids. And then after talking with her mom, it's like, now she's considering having children. [55:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: But only, like, freeze the Empress. [55:38] Portia Pendleton: Tom seems very into it, which I don't see as him wanting kids. I think he wants, like, ties to Forever. [55:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I totally agree. And he was even trying to impregnate her when he was about to go to prison. That's what I mean is I think he's a snake. [55:54] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [55:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think it's starting to come out. And I don't think he's genuine. I don't think he actually wants to be with her or have her children and have a family. I think he wants the money and the power and the heirs. [56:07] Portia Pendleton: Which is so sad for Shiv. [56:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [56:10] Portia Pendleton: Because she thought because I think she thought that she had the power. [56:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [56:15] Portia Pendleton: Like tricking her all time. [56:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I know. [56:20] Portia Pendleton: But I also don't think that anyone else could be with her. Right. Someone else would have to have that ulterior motive in order to cope with. [56:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: How she treats exactly. [56:29] Portia Pendleton: Like she's not treating you well. Which I'm not making an excuse for. But then most years, Tom has stayed. [56:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Like, why did he stay after the wedding night? It's because he wants the power, the money, all of it. Right. That's what he wants. And even, like, impregnating her so she can't cheat on him or leave him or whatever. Even if she does leave him, if he went to prison, he'd still be tied. He'd get child support or spousals or whatever. Oh, my gosh. It's chilling. [57:00] Portia Pendleton: I think it's a good depiction of narcissism and Bpd of showing both sides of the person. [57:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [57:08] Portia Pendleton: Because people who are narcissistic, people who have, of course, borderline we know this more of but can still get hurt. Still sad. [57:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: Very deeply. Very deeply. [57:17] Portia Pendleton: I think we're used to just like narcissistic. Oh, they're a narcissist. Like, they're whole, they're jerks. They don't seem to have feelings. Like no, they're not sociopathic or psychopathic, where it's like there's no feelings. No, these are people who have been deeply wounded and continue to hurt others and continue to get hurt. We see them get wounded over and over and over again. [57:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: So that's why it's like this, back. [57:40] Portia Pendleton: And forth, like right. We hate them, we feel sorry for them. We hate them. [57:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: We feel sorry. Exactly. I totally agree. And just such an expert portrayal in that. And the way they sort of give you more info about their childhoods, about their upbringing along the way, slowly, that helps you really see how they got there. Right. And that's always one of the most fascinating things when I'm watching shows. Like, this is like, how did you get to be that kind of person? And then as we wrap up, as we always do, we forget Connor. He's forgotten. But I just had to acknowledge that scene where he's like, I'm the first born son. I'm the oldest son. It's me. It's not you. It's like he's carried that rage with. [58:21] Portia Pendleton: Him his whole life, and he can't so, interestingly enough, it's like Roman and Shiv in that moment, have the whatever. Whether you want to call it awareness, whether you want to call it intellectualism. But they are there because of Kendall, right. And they want him to get help with the suicide. And it's. Like, Connor cannot stay there. He makes it about himself. And people still don't say helpful things, but Connor has this huge reaction when they're trying to be there for Kendall because he almost killed himself, right. [58:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And trying to say, we love you. We are worried for you. Please get them up. But you're right. Connor can't stay there. And Connor is probably most threatened by Kendall because Kendall is the secondborn son, who then becomes, like, the first in line. [59:12] Portia Pendleton: And we see Kendall's style shift right throughout season one to three. He's wearing a T shirt with kind of a necklace with a big emblem on it. We see him shave his head. We see the sunglasses, cool sunglasses. And I think I want to hop back onto Connor because Connor and he proposes to Willa. Then he also gets really mad at them. Right. Because no one said congratulations, and I hear that. Right. But first of all, you're paying her. And no one knew that she said yes because she didn't say yes. [59:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he was like, everyone's looking willow. Can you at least pretend, like, through gritted teeth? It's just all growth. [59:52] Portia Pendleton: And then the audacity that he has to believe that he can be the president, he's like, oh, well, we have 1%. You know what 1% is? A lot of people when we look at the US. [01:00:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's a good chunk of people. But then when he is like, they're going to dig up stuff on, you willa remember. And basically using that to bully her into marrying him. [01:00:19] Portia Pendleton: But there's something to the child. [01:00:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [01:00:23] Portia Pendleton: She can leave at any time. [01:00:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. Just like Tom, just like Jerry, just like all of them, but they stay. So it is just this, like, moth to the flame kind of situation. [01:00:33] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [01:00:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, boy. Man, this show is amazing. It's really good. Really intense. Again, I hope they have therapists on set to cope with playing these characters. I'd be really worried if any of them are just sometimes they're like it's kind of actually me. So I'm just like being myself in this character. Like, I'd be very concerned about that. [01:00:55] Portia Pendleton: I keep seeing Brian *** do some commercials now. [01:00:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [01:00:59] Portia Pendleton: I think it's like it's funny, like. [01:01:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Alcohol commercial or something. I'm like that's spot on. Yeah. [01:01:05] Portia Pendleton: But I really like what's his name? Culkin. [01:01:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Kieran Colton. [01:01:12] Portia Pendleton: I think he's, like, my favorite actor and character in the show as of season three. [01:01:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Again, I hate him. I love him. [01:01:23] Portia Pendleton: I hate him. I love him. And let's think about Bpd, right? [01:01:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's how people feel, 100%. But also thinking about Kieran Culkin personally was always in the shadow of Macaulay Culkin. So that's just fascinating. Like, is any of what he's bringing to the role tied to his personal experience? Like, unclear, but fascinating. [01:01:43] Portia Pendleton: Fascinating. [01:01:44] Dr. Katrina Furey:

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Devin and Mark reflect (at length!) on the incredible four-season run of Succession in anticipation of the HBO show's final two episodes. Why do we care so much about characters who are hellbent on ruining the world? What distinguishes this show from others on similar subject matter? How has the show approached wrapping up its story earlier than even some members of the cast expected? And why did Cousin Greg betray us so? (Part two will look back on the series as a whole after the final episode airs. The penultimate episode, "Church and State," aired the night after they recorded.)

Bill, Sean, and Joanna are back to break down the penultimate episode of ‘Succession' Season 4. They discuss Roman Roy's disconcerting meltdown at Logan's funeral, why “Church and State” is a masterpiece episode of television, and the indelible performances across the board. Along the way, they briefly talk about series creator Jesse Armstrong's career before ‘Succession' and why it might be the British writer's magnum opus. They close by recapping the eulogies and noting Ken's performative nature, before updating their predictions on who will be running Waystar Royco ahead of the series finale. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Obiora returns, right in time for the funeral, to chat with Bankole and Ebube about the penultimate episode of 'Succession'. They touch on Kendall's fights with with Rava and Jess (6:52), the speeches at the funeral (22:32) and more. Also available on Youtube - https://youtu.be/ZA4bqflkflE Hosts: Bankole Imoukhuede, Obiora Ifeacho & Ebube UbochiProudction by: Bankole Imoukhuede Social Production: Ebube Ubochi 

I wonder if Roman is the new Logan or will they all fall by the finale • Dear Mama on Hulu is excellent • Google St. Louis and our circuit attorney drama. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/madlove/message

Craig Elsten, Justice Parman and Corey Stewart are back to go deep into the propulsive, prescient and terrifying episode of Succession: America Decides. The Succession universe is going into fascism with Roman Roy's full-hearted support, and a collective shrug from the dealmakers who just want to achieve their personal goals. The guys go into all the key topics from this week's episode, then go scene-by-scene through the recap, ending with the decision of this week's #1 Boy, Best Insult and Biggest Move. Featured Scene 1: Shiv looks for an apology from TomFeatured Scene 2: Shiv's downfall, double-cross revealedTomlette with Gregs: Tom has a specific diet on Election Night

The Roys pick a new President. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 8 of Succession, "America Decides" Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Wambsgans host a party. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 7 of Succession, "Tailgate Party" Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Roys discover eternal life. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 6 of Succession, "Living+" Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

Craig Elsten, Justice Parman and Corey Stewart recap the midway point of Succession's final season, setting the table for the final five episodes while delineating the power struggle between the Roy siblings and Lukas Matsson, and how Shiv has positioned herself in the middle once again. Featured Scene 1: Shiv and Lukas MatssonFeatured Scene 2: Showdown between Matsson and Roman Roy

The Roys go to Norway. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 5 of Succession, "Kill List" Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Roys find an addendum, in pencil, with a question mark. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 3 of Succession, “Connor's Wedding”Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Roys go on a boat and nothing bad happens. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 3 of Succession, “Connor's Wedding”Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Roys discuss capacious bags. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 2 of Succession, “Rehearsal”Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

The Roys rummage to fruition. Mike and Anna recap season 4 episode 1 of Succession, “The Munsters”Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

Daniel, Shahbaz, & Anthony review SUCCESSION Season 4 Episode 1 "The Munsters". The sale of media conglomerate Waystar Royco to tech visionary Lukas Matsson moves ever closer. The prospect of this seismic sale provokes existential angst and familial division among the Roys as they anticipate what their lives will look like once the deal is completed. A power struggle ensues as the family weighs up a future where their cultural and political weight is severely curtailed. Succession Season 4 premieres March 26 at 9PM ET on HBO and Crave in Canada with new episodes weekly.Watch and listen to The Movie Podcast review now on all podcast feeds, YouTube, and TheMoviePodcast.caContact: hello@themoviepodcast.caTHE MOVIE PODCAST ON ET CANADA!THE MOVIE PODCAST MERCHANDISE NOW AVAILABLE!FOLLOW USDaniel on Twitter, Instagram, and LetterboxdShahbaz on Twitter, Instagram, and LetterboxdAnthony on Twitter, Instagram, and LetterboxdThe Movie Podcast on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Discord, and YouTube

The last recap before the final season of Succession, we dive into Roman's mean streak, Shiv's mistreatment and costuming and Kendall's lowest point (and that Jeremy Strong profile). Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

In our deep dive of the second season of Succession, we trace the power dynamics of the Roy and Pearce media families, the fall of Shiv, the rise of Roman and the humiliation of Kendall.  Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya. The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

In the second episode on the television show Succession,  Clio blames the quality of her fan fiction on two separate buses and capitalism.  Mireille questions the extent to which Clio is influenced by The Notebook.  Brunch menus are analyzed, the purpose of art is  determined to be to elicit horror and despair, and the pairing of Tom and Roman is repeatedly suggested. Clio says she's not into it, but her Freudian slips say otherwise.  Listen and weep - if all else fails, you can always wipe your tears on your cat.  The fan fiction discussed 'Cause it's All the Same to Me by JustLikeAPapercut.The podcast has a Twitter! And you can get in touch with questions, comments, or just to say hi at clio.slash.mireille@gmail.com.Or, if you prefer to play favorites, Mireille can be found on Twitter (https://twitter.com/pardon_mi) and TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@pardon_mi). Clio's other podcast, Studies in Taylor Swift,  can be found wherever you get your podcasts.Clio/Mireille is produced by Clio Doyle and Mireille Pardon. Editing is by Clio Doyle. Cover art is by Mireille Pardon. Music is by Lesfm and SergeQuadrado.  This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit cliodoyle.substack.com

In the second episode on the television show Succession,  Clio blames the quality of her fan fiction on two separate buses and capitalism.  Mireille questions the extent to which Clio is influenced by The Notebook.  Brunch menus are analyzed, the purpose of art is  determined to be to elicit horror and despair, and the pairing of Tom and Roman is repeatedly suggested. Clio says she's not into it, but her Freudian slips say otherwise.  Listen and weep - if all else fails, you can always wipe your tears on your cat.  The fan fiction discussed 'Cause it's All the Same to Me by JustLikeAPapercut.The podcast has a Twitter! And you can get in touch with questions, comments, or just to say hi at clio.slash.mireille@gmail.com.Or, if you prefer to play favorites, Mireille can be found on Twitter (https://twitter.com/pardon_mi) and TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@pardon_mi). Clio's other podcast, Studies in Taylor Swift,  can be found wherever you get your podcasts.Clio/Mireille is produced by Clio Doyle and Mireille Pardon. Editing is by Clio Doyle. Cover art is by Mireille Pardon. Music is by Lesfm and SergeQuadrado. 

In our deep dive of the first season of Succession, we look at the character arcs of each of the Roy siblings (Kendall, Shiv, Roman and Conor) and the patriarch that refuses to give up his empire, Logan Roy. We talk about the show's direction, the supporting characters that make us giggle and the best put-downs of the season. Hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya.  The Successionistas will recap each season of Succession and every every episode of the fourth and final season. 

Introducing a brand new podcast about Succession, the best show about the worst people. Produced and hosted by Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya. 

Natalie is ALL revved up about her recent encounter with Roman Roy, (aka Kieran Culkin) on the set of Succession - and she has come up with a *brilliant* plan that the producers of the show *definitely* need to take into consideration. Bonus: Natalie describes her sweet encounter with Steve Buscemi and how he reacted when he found out just how much she loves him.     Follow Put Your Books Down on social media:     Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/putyourbooksdown     Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/putyourbooksdown/     Natalie on IG:  https://www.instagram.com/nataliesanderson/     Angela on IG:  https://www.instagram.com/angelabinghamofficial/     Podcast produced by http://clantoncreative.com

Nada menos que el gran JM Simián llega al podcast para hablar con Villalobos largo y tendido respecto a una de las mejores series de los últimos años. Los ricos y los pobres, Nueva York, la maldición del hijo mayor, los entretelones del poder y todos los grandes detalles de una gran serie. Spoilers de todo.

Roman Roy is an exhibitionist, but his kinkiness doesn't just make him a memorable treat of a character. His particular perversities outline the Roy family's psychological pitfalls.

He'll be the first to credit the writers of Succession for Roman Roy and every other irresistibly terrible member of that family— but over three seasons of the HBO drama series, Culkin has also been able to make the character his own. Here he talks to Rebecca Ford about returning to shoot season four, why Succession made him want to stick with acting, and where in the world Alan Ruck's Emmy nomination is. Sign up to receive texts from us at Subtext. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

He'll be the first to credit the writers of Succession for Roman Roy and every other irresistibly terrible member of that family— but over three seasons of the HBO drama series, Culkin has also been able to make the character his own. Here he talks to Rebecca Ford about returning to shoot season four, why Succession made him want to stick with acting, and where in the world Alan Ruck's Emmy nomination is.Sign up to receive texts from us at Subtext.For a transcript of this episode, please follow this link.

Mise-en-scène'in yeni bölümünde, günümüzde yayınlanan TV dizilerinin en çok konuşulanı ele alındı. Succession'ın 2022'de ifade ettikleri, siyasi konumu, medyanın dönüşümü, aşırı sağ, Roy ailesi, Kendall ve gayet tabi Roman Roy; bir bölümlük dizi serüvenine çıkılmasının önünü açtı. Özlem, Müjdat ve bu bölümdeki konukları İrem Turhan; medyadaki Kral Lear'ı podcast ortamına da getirmiş oldu. Sinemaya farklı noktalardan bakmayı amaçlayan Mise-en-scène'in 10. bölümü yayında!

The boys are joined by  Justine from Kalche wines to discuss feet stuff, types of kisses and of course Piedmont wine via the lens of Roman Roy. This is officially a silly episode, but holy shit do the wines rule.  Bizarre alt Piedmont shit is, unsurprisingly, our jam.  Another thing that is our jam, of course, is Kalche wine, a totally rad wine cooperative in Vermont. You should probably get a bunch of their wine. ////LIST////Andrea Scovero, Vino Bianco Sauvignon, ‘il Campesino,'' NV//La Vecchia Posta, Poggio dello Scagno, ‘Derthona,' 2016 //Jean-yves Peron, Grignolino, ‘I Vicini,' 2018 //Cascina val Liberata, Slarina, ‘Ceneria,' 2019//Kalche wine cooperative, ‘Tucker cider,' 2021////Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/Disgorgeous)

¿De qué signo serán Tony Soprano, Carrie Bradshaw o Roman Roy? Descúbrelo repasando sus personalidades en una charla a pura brujería. En este episodio: Fiorella y Dalia Walker repasan los doce signos zodiacales mirando el catálogo de HBO. Encontrá nuevos episodios en YouTube y Spotify cada semana.

Kieran Culkin, who plays Roman Roy on "Succession," helps us dissect the moments from the Season 3 finale that we still can't stop thinking about: the  Roy sibling alliance,  Gerri's betrayal, and the surprising ending.  Plus, we discuss his upbringing as a child actor, why conjuring up his family's past doesn't actually help him in scenes and THAT Jeremy Strong New Yorker article. Fair warning: This conversation contains profanity. To read a full transcript of this interview, please visit the episode page at latimes.com.

After expressing deep concerns over her growing attraction to Roman Roy from “Succession,” Monique dives into the weird world of spectrophilia. Then Amy gets in her way, way back machine and takes us to the 1600s, where she covers the history of blood transfusion and the murder of Antoine Mauroy. If you liked this episode, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe.

Actor Kieran Culkin feels like goal-achieved to be Conan O'Brien's friend. Kieran sits down with Conan to discuss fulfilling a dream of hosting SNL, playing extravagant wealth as Roman Roy on Succession, and picking roles based on location. Plus, Conan takes a moment to exercise his New York grit. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (323) 451-2821. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com.

Join in as Welcome To The Party Pal meticulously dissects the final four episodes of Season 3 of HBO's smash hit comedy-drama Succession. Created by Jesse Armstrong, the series centers on the Roy family, the dysfunctional owners of Waystar RoyCo, a global media and entertainment conglomerate who are fighting for control of the company amid uncertainty about the health of the family's patriarch, Logan Roy (Brian Cox). The series stars Jeremy Strong as Kendall Roy, Kieran Culkin as Roman Roy, Sarah Snook as Siobhan Roy, Alan Ruck as Connor Roy, Matthew Macfadyen as Tom Wambsgans, Siobhan's husband and Waystar executive, and Nicholas Braun as Greg Hirsch, Logan's grandnephew also employed by the company. In this episode hosts Michael Shields and Justin Wells analyze the stunning season finale to Season 3, an episode that changed the game for the Roy family forevermore. They jest about Kendall Roy's extravagant birthday party while considering Jeremy Strong's breath-taking method acting in the series. They talk inappropriate "dick pics," the fascists present at The Future Freedom Summit, Tom and Greg's bromance, and much, much more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Hey Witches! This week Jessie switches it up. We have been inspired by our chaotic multiple personality brat, Roman Roy, and decided to do a deep dive on the Culkin family. The parents, the upbringing, the abuse, and the tragedies had me completely shocked and interested. There is so much we know but also so much we don't know. It is another classic Hollywood story of how money and fame does not mean you are happy.Thank you for joining this pop culture coven! Please rate, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts!Social:Instagram: Realitywitch_TikTok: Jessie_NailsTwitter: Jessie__Nailsrealitywitchpod@gmail.comTime Stamps:IntroCulkin Family Deep Dive 15:40Sited:https://www.ranker.com/list/macaulay-culkin-dad-relationship/anncasanohttps://www.grunge.com/605679/child-stars-who-completely-disappeared/https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2018/12/the-comeback-kidhttps://www.ranker.com/list/whoa-culkin-family-facts/mallory-weilerhttps://www.dicytrends.com/patricia-brentrup-untold-truth-about-macaulay-culkins-mother/

Filmmaker and comedy legend Mel Brooks sits down with Terry Gross to talk about Jewish humor and the meaning of life. He's got a new memoir called All About Me! Film critic Justin Chang reviews the new Steven Spielberg adaptation of West Side Story. And Kieran Culkin, who co-stars in HBO's Succession as Roman Roy, one of the three adult siblings vying to take over their family's media conglomerate, talks about his role and the toxicity of fame.

Filmmaker and comedy legend Mel Brooks sits down with Terry Gross to talk about Jewish humor and the meaning of life. He's got a new memoir called All About Me! Film critic Justin Chang reviews the new Steven Spielberg adaptation of West Side Story. And Kieran Culkin, who co-stars in HBO's Succession as Roman Roy, one of the three adult siblings vying to take over their family's media conglomerate, talks about his role and the toxicity of fame.

Succession hive, all rise! Our second-favorite boy Roman Roy has graced the SNL stage. We dissect the hosting abilities of celebrities vs. actors, and why Ed Sheeran must finally be stopped at all costs. Episode: Season 47, Episode 05 Date: 11/06/2021

Hendry William French himself (Succession's Alan Ruck) saddles up to argue why this hit Western sequel full of young stars, sweeping vistas, and epic music deserves to be remembered in a blaze of glory.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome To The Party Pal meticulously dissects the first five episode of HBO's smash hit comedy-drama Succession. Created by Jesse Armstrong, the series centers on the Roy family, the dysfunctional owners of Waystar RoyCo, a global media and entertainment conglomerate who are fighting for control of the company amid uncertainty about the health of the family's patriarch, Logan Roy (Brian Cox). The series stars Jeremy Strong as Kendall Roy, Kieran Culkin as Roman Roy, Sarah Snook as Siobhan Roy, Alan Ruck as Connor Roy, Matthew Macfadyen as Tom Wambsgans, Siobhan's husband and Waystar executive, and Nicholas Braun as Greg Hirsch, Logan's grandnephew also employed by the company. In this episode hosts Michael Shields and Justin Wells take a hard look at the chances the four siblings of the Roy family have to eventually take the reigns of the Waystar RoyCo Empire while assessing Logan Roy's failing health, the tolerance of unkindness that defines the family's relationships, Roman Roy's sharp and cutting one-liners, Greg's hunt for the perfect watch, and much, much more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Preparado? Neste episódio a dupla comenta sobre o eletrizante quinto episódio da temporada, o Michel debate sobre o futuro de alguns personagens enquanto a Carol aprende uma nova expressão. E ainda tem o Kieran Culkin falando sobre o Roman Roy.

Kieran Culkin has found a defining role playing Roman Roy, the snarkiest of the siblings on HBO's “Succession.” Culkin tells KCRW about acting from an early age, facing his fears while fulfilling a dream as host of “Saturday Night Live,” and how he sometimes finds it hard to turn off that very snarky Roman Roy persona.

Vanity Fair's Richard Lawson and Sonia Saraiya are Still Watching the Roy family for the third season of Succession on HBO.  This week covers the third episode of the third season, "The Disruption" which aired Sunday October 31st on HBO and finally moves time forward this season.  This podcast also features Sonia in conversation with Kieran Culkin, who returns as Roman Roy this season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So...my dad said we could only have one winner...On this episode of the podcast, we go over the results of our Succession character bracket. Trent couldn't be with us tonight, so we got the youngest Dozier brother Quinn to guest host with us! Tangents include but are not limited to: the Dozier family tree, the San Francisco Giants, and Jeremy Strong's performance in "Trial of the Chicago 7" (it's bad).X-RATED CONTENT AT 4:00!!! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

With the help of Jon Lemay and Patrick Stanny of Pat & Jon on Their Best Behavior, we discuss the pilot episode of Succession, from the iconic theme music, to the wild glimpse into the lives of the uber wealthy, to how when you're in doubt, you should just punch your dad in the face.Listen to Pat & Jon on Their Best Behavior here! And follow them on Instagram: @patandjonontheirbestbehaviorWatch the "Succession but it's a Romantic Comedy" trailer on YouTube!Subscribe to our brand-new weekly newsletter at itsinmyqueue.substack.com.Find us on Twitter: @inmyqueuepod • @adinaterrific • @karaaa_powellAnd Instagram: @inmyqueuepodor send comments, questions,  and show suggestions to us at itsinmyqueuepod@gmail.com! 

If you know anything about us, it's that We Here For You.This week, we're breaking down Succession's dirtiest characters. We do psychological deep dives, pick crazy winners, and geek out about past episodes. MAJOR. SPOILERS. AHEAD. And barely any tangents because we're just too excited about Succession.ALSO FYI: We discuss an X-RATED scene at the 38:40 mark (lasts for about a minute).Voting Schedule:Elite Eight Voting: Monday 10/11Final Four Voting: Tuesday 10/12Championship Voting: Wednesday 10/13, Thursday 10/14You can vote right here, lil candy babies ;)And here's a link to the Candy Baby sketch! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

TAKE WHAT'S YOURS (as long as "yours" is four giant rails of coke). Time to bury the bodies and count the cash. The PRE-KEND is finally here and the SUCCESSION podcast series on IN THE CAN is live. Come kick it with Kansas City Bret, Farmer Barn, and the CHIEF as we talk America's favorite dysfunctional global-media family: the ROYS. This week, the dudes talk Episode 1 ("CELEBRATION") and Episode 2 ("SH*T SHOW AT THE F*CK FACTORY"). Who takes home the patented POWER PLAY AWARD? What about Adam McKay shaky cam? What terrible movies did Roman Roy pitch when he was in the banana cabana with Frank? Will Nicholas Braun aka Cousin Greg the Egg make the most devious moves of all? Control the narrative here:

“Does anyone else think, Ziggy: the original Roman Roy?” -Anna HossniehWriter, co-host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast, and season two skeptic, Anna Hosnnieh joins Matt and Vince to dissect The Wire season two episode two, “Collateral Damage.”Often, The Wire is about the lengths to which normal people will go to avoid doing work, or getting yelled at. Some episodes, like this one, are about just how much work those same people will do just to be petty to someone who yelled at them. Valchek and Frank get locked into a portside petty Polish pissing contest, and the only winner is a Catholic church looking at two new stained glass windows. Even Jimmy would rather do hours of research on tide patterns to stick Rawls with fourteen murders to solve, drink fourteen shots of Jameson to celebrate, then disappoint Rhonda Perlman sexually and emotionally, than learn how to tie a knot (or go to therapy).Would you rather eat the crab guts or an egg beer? Let us know in a five-star review on Apple Podcasts.See Pod Yourself A Gun live at SF Sketchfest January 27th at PianoFight theater. Get tickets now!Subscribe to Pod Yourself The Wire on Apple Podcasts.Email us at frotcast@gmail.com; leave us a voicemail at 415-275-0030Support the Pod: become a patron at patreon.com/Frotcast and get more bonus content than you could ever want. Sign up for the Pod Yourself a Shoutout tier to hear Vince give you a corner nickname on the podcast like this week's newest members: Li'l Pog, Todos, Bieber, Sleepy, Li'l Bluey, & Quattro.-Description by Brent FlybergAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy