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For this week's episode of the Clinician's Corner, we've gone into the archives to pull out another clinical pearl from one of our favorite episodes – a fascinating conversation with our beloved Medical Director, Dr. Chris Turnpaugh, where we discuss chronic infections, immune dysregulation, and detox strategies. This interview first aired early last year (2025), and the full interview can be viewed here.   Clinical pearls we extracted from the original interview: Overview of chronic infections and the immune system The role of environmental toxins on the immune system/immune response Addressing toxic burden and supporting detoxification Various therapeutic interventions Lyme disease and Long Covid (and other complex client cases) Foundational immune support    The Clinician's Corner is brought to you by the Institute of Restorative Health. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/instituteofrestorativehealth/   Connect with Dr. Chris Turnpaugh: Website: TurnpaughHWC.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/TurnpaughHWC/ Instagram: TurnpaughHealth    Timestamps:  00:00 TH1 vs. TH2 Immunity Explained 03:32 "Reducing Toxic Burden Strategies" 08:19 "NAC: The Ultimate Supplement" 11:09 "Master Clinical Skills, Transform Lives"   Speaker bio: Dr. Chris Turnpaugh is a practitioner and CEO at Turnpaugh Health, a Functional Medicine wellness center, which he founded in 1999. The center, one of the largest in the country, has grown to over 20 healthcare providers and a team of more than 50 in five locations.  Turnpaugh Health provides in-depth holistic care focusing on functional medicine, investigating the mechanisms of dysfunction in patients. The clinic also provides integrative family medicine, lifestyle medicine, and many complementary wellness services.  Over his twenty years in practice, Dr. Turnpaugh has joined ILADS and is known as a thought leader in Lyme disease and associated co-infections. He also traveled to Lake Como to participate on the PANDAS International board. He has a deep interest and extensive knowledge in pediatric neurological disorders and methods of supporting these children holistically. Dr. Turnpaugh has lectured on a broad variety of health topics, both nationally and internationally.  His application of functional medicine as it relates to the neuro/endocrine/immune systems is a unique clinical approach to non-pharmacological treatments. He is well respected among his peers and patients as a provider and functional medicine instructor. He has treated thousands of patients in his practice and mentored hundreds of practitioners. His true passion is teaching functional medicine to other practitioners and helping patients to optimize their health.   Keywords: functional health practitioners, clinical skills, chronic disease, restoring balance, chronic infections, immune system, TH1, TH2 dominance, autoimmunity, cancer, chemicals, pesticides, endocrine disrupting compounds, toxic burden, gut symptoms, liver, bile flow, digestion, nutrient supplementation, detoxification, sauna therapy, nasal spray, peptide therapy, liposomal glutathione, NAC, vitamin D, immune dysregulation, long Covid, post-treatment Lyme disease, food intolerances, chemical sensitivities, microbiome Disclaimer: The views expressed in the IRH Clinician's Corner series are those of the individual speakers and interviewees, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Institute of Restorative Health, LLC. The Institute of Restorative Health, LLC does not specifically endorse or approve of any of the information or opinions expressed in the IRH Clinician's Corner series. The information and opinions expressed in the IRH Clinician's Corner series are for educational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. If you have any medical concerns, please consult with a qualified healthcare professional. The Institute of Restorative Health, LLC is not liable for any damages or injuries that may result from the use of the information or opinions expressed in the IRH Clinician's Corner series. By viewing or listening to this information, you agree to hold the Institute of Restorative Health, LLC harmless from any and all claims, demands, and causes of action arising out of or in connection with your participation. Thank you for your understanding.  

Dr. Deb 0:01Welcome back to another episode of Let’s Talk Wellness Now, and I’m your host, Dr. Deb, and today we’re pulling back the curtain on a topic that barely gets a whisper in conventional medicine. Chronic bladder symptoms, biofilms, and the hidden genetic drivers that keep so many women stuck in a cycle of pain, urgency, and infection that never truly resolves. My guest today is someone who is not only brilliant, but battle-tested, like myself. Dr. Kristen Ryman is a physician, a mom, and the author of Life After Lyme, a book and blueprint that has helped countless people reclaim health after complex chronic illness. After healing herself from advanced Lyme, she has spent her career helping patients recover their most vibrant, resilient selves through her Inner Flow program. Her Healing Grove podcast, her membership community, and her deep dive work on bladder biofilms and stealth pathogens. And what I love about Kristen is that she teaches from lived experience. In 2022, she suffered a stroke. And not only survived it, but rebuilt her brain, resolved lateral strabismus, restored balance, and regained her ability to multitask That journey uncovered her own genetic predisposition to clotting, the very same patterns she sees in her chronic bladder patients. And that personal revelation ultimately led to her Introducing this groundbreaking work that we’re talking about today. So let’s get into it, because bladder biofilms, clotting genetics, stealth pathogens, and real recovery is the conversation women have been needing for decades. And we’ll get started. Where did this one go? There we go. Alright, so welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I have Dr. Kristen with me, and I am so excited to talk to her for multiple reasons. A, she’s got a fabulous story, and B, she’s an expert in a topic that nobody’s talking about, and I want to learn from her, too. So, welcome to the show. Kristin Reihman 3:07Thank you! I’m so happy to be here, Dr. Deb. Dr. Deb 3:10Thank you. Well, let’s dive right in, because we have so much to talk about, and you and I could probably talk for hours. So, let’s dive into this conversation, and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got involved in this. Kristin Reihman 3:23Well, I mean, like so many people, I think, on this path, I had, had to learn it the hard way. You know, I had to find my way into a mystery illness, a complex, mysterious set of symptoms that sort of didn’t fit the… the sort of description of what, you know, normal doctors do, and even though I was a normal doctor for many years, nothing I’d been trained in could help me when I was really debilitated from Lyme disease back in 2011, 20212, 2023. And so I kind of had to crawl my way out of that, using all the resources at my disposal, which, you know, started out with a lot of ILADS stuff, you know, a lot of the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society, resources online, found some Lyme doctors, and then my journey really quickly evolved to sort of, like, way far afield of normal Western medicine, which is what my training is in you know, I think within a year of my diagnosis, I was, like, you know, at a Klingheart conference, and learning all sort of, you know, the naturopathic approach to Lyme, and really trying to heal my body and terrain, and heal the process that had led me to become so, so ill from, you know. A little bacteria. Dr. Deb 4:29Yeah. Yeah, same here. Like, I’ve been an ILADS practitioner for over 20 years, and when I got sick with Lyme, I was like… how did I not realize this? And I knew I had Lyme before I even was ILADS trained, but when I got really sick and got diagnosed with MS, I never thought about Lyme or mycotoxins or any of that, because I was too busy, head down, doing what I’m doing, helping people. And I, too, had to take that step back, not just physically, but more spiritually and emotionally, and say, how did my body get this sick? Like, what was I doing, and what was I not doing? That allowed this to happen, and now look at this from a healing aspect of not just the physical side, but that spiritual-emotional side as well. Kristin Reihman 5:13Totally. I have the same… I have the same realization as I was coming out of it. I was like, wow, this wasn’t just about, sort of, physically what I was doing and not doing. There was something spiritual here as well for me, and I… I feel like it really was a wake-up call for me to get on the path that I’m supposed to be on, the path that I’m on now, really, which is stepping away from the whole medicine matrix model and moving into, you know, working with really complex people. Listening to their bodies, understanding intuition, understanding energy, understanding all these different pieces that doctors just aren’t trained to look at. Dr. Deb 5:46Right? We don’t have time to learn everything, right? Like, you have time to learn the body and the medical side of things, and that’s a whole prism of itself, but then learning the spiritual energy medicine, that’s a completely different paradigm. That’s a full-time learning aspect, and it’s so different than what we learn in conventional medicine. Kristin Reihman 6:04Yeah, it’s a complete health system. Like, it’s a complete healthcare system. Dr. Deb 6:10Yes, and nobody takes it that seriously, but I, for myself, I’ve been spiritual healing for decades, and it wasn’t until I got really sick that I dived deeper into that and looked at what is it in this world that I’m owning, what belongs to generational things that were brought to me from childbirth and other generations in my family that I’m carrying their old wounds. And how do I clear some of that so that it’s not still following me? And then how do I help my kids so that they don’t have to carry what I brought forth? And it’s just… a lot of people, that may sound crazy, but that’s the kind of stuff that we need to be looking at if we want to truly heal. Kristin Reihman 6:54Yeah, and I think it’s also, it’s inspiring, you know, because when people… and I would tell this to my patients with Lyme and these sort of mystery illnesses, like, look, you are on this path for a reason, and this is going to teach you so much that you didn’t necessarily want to learn, but you need to learn. And this… nothing that you learn or change about your lifestyle or the way in which you move through the world is gonna make you a worse person. Like, it’s only gonna sort of up-level you. You know, it’s gonna up-level your diet, and your sleep habits, and your relationships, and your toxic thinking, like, it’s all gonna change for you to get better, and that’s… that’s a gift, really. Dr. Deb 7:27It really is, and I tell people the same thing. Like, we can look at this as… something that’s happening to us, or we can look at this as something that’s happening for us. And that’s how I looked at my MS diagnosis. This was happening for me, not to me. I wasn’t going to be the victim. And you have a very similar story, so tell us a little bit about your story and what kind of catapulted you into this in 2022. Kristin Reihman 7:52Well, by 2022, I was, like, 10 years out of my Lyme hole, and I had been seeing patients, you know, I had opened my own practice, and I was working for another company, seeing, families who have brain-injured children. I was their medical director, still am, actually. And so I was doing a patchwork of things, all of which really fed my soul. You know, all of which felt like this is, like, me, aligned with my purpose on the planet. And so, based on a lot of my thinking, I sort of figured, okay, well, I’m good now, right? Like, I’m on my path now, like, the universe is not going to send another 2×4. And then the universe sent another 2×4. And in 2022, I had an elective neck surgery. You kind of still see the little scar here for my two-level ACDF. Because I had crazy off-the-hook arm pain for, like, a year and a half that I just finally became, like, almost like it felt like I was developing fasciculations and fiery, fiery pain, and I just got the surgery, and the pain went away. But when I woke up, I was different. I didn’t have a voice. Which is a common side effect, actually, of that surgery that resolves after a few months, and in many cases, and mine did. But I also didn’t have, normal balance anymore, and my right eye turned out a little bit, and I couldn’t multitask. And my job is all about multitasking. As you know, with very complex people in front of you, you’re hearing all these pieces of their story, and you’re kind of categorizing it, and thinking about where they fit, and you’re making a plan for what to work up, and you’re making a plan for what to wait until next time. It’s like all these pieces, right? You’re in the matrix. And I… I couldn’t hold those pieces anymore. And I didn’t realize that until I went back to work a couple months after my, surgery, because my voice came back and was like, okay, well, now I’m going back to work. And then I realized, I can’t do simple math. In fact, I can’t remember what this person just said to me, unless I read my note, and I can’t remember taking that note. What is going on? And so I had a full workup, and indeed, I had some neurological deficits that didn’t show up on an MRI, so they must have been quite tiny. Possibly were even low-flow, you know, episodes during my surgery when my blood pressure drops really low with the medicines that you’re on for surgery. But I, basically had, like, a few mini strokes, and needed to recover from that. So that was sort of the… that was the 2×4 in 2022. Dr. Deb 10:09Wow. So, what are, what are some of the things that you learned during that process of that mini-stroke? Kristin Reihman 10:17Well, the first thing I learned is that, something that I already knew from working with the Family Hope Center, which is that organization I mentioned that helps families heal their kids’ brains, I know that motivation lives in the ponds, and if you have a ding or a hit to the ponds, like, you don’t want to get out of bed in the morning, you don’t want to do the work it takes to heal your brain, in my case. And I remember spending several months in the fall of 2022 just sort of walking around my yard. With my puppies, being like, This is enough. I don’t really need to work anymore, right? Like, I don’t… why do I need my brain back? Like, I don’t need to have my brain back to enjoy life. You know, I’ll have a garden, I have people I love and who love me, like, why do I need to work? Like, my whole, like, passion, purpose-driven mentality and motivation to kind of do and be all the things I always strive to do and be in the world, was, like, gone. It was really interesting, slash very alarming to those who knew me, but being inside the brain that wasn’t really working, it wasn’t alarming to me. I was just sort of like, oh, ho-hum, this is my new me.Well, luckily I have some people around me, I like to call them my healing team, who sort of held up a mirror, and they’re like, this is not you, and we’re gonna take you to a functional neurologist now. And so, I ended up seeing a functional neurologist who, you know, within… within, like probably 6 visits. I had all these, like, stacked visits with him. Within 6 visits, my brain just turned on. I was like, oh! Right! I need my brain back! I gotta fix this eyesight, I gotta get my balance back, and I gotta learn how to do simple math again and multitask. So, after that sort of jumpstart, I actually did the program that I, you know, know very well inside and out from the Family Hope Center, where I’d been medical director for 10 years. And, it’s a hard program, it’s not… not for wimps, and it’s certainly… I wasn’t about to do it when I had no motivation, so I’m really grateful to the functional neurologist who helped me kind of, like get my brain… get my pawns back, and my motivation back, my mojo. And then I’m really grateful to the Family Hope Center, because if I didn’t have that set of tools in my back pocket, I would still have an eye that turns out to the side, I would still have a positive Romberg, you know, closing my eyes, falling over backwards, and I would still have, a lot of trouble seeing patients, and probably wouldn’t be working anymore. Dr. Deb 12:32I can totally relate to that. When I got my MS diagnosis, you know, there’s a period of time where you go, okay reality kicks in, and I’m thinking, okay, how long am I going to be able to work? How long am I going to be able to play with my kids and my grandkids and be able to be me? And I started looking at, how do I sell my practice, just in case I need to do this? How do I step back? And I spent probably about 9 or 10 months in that place of, this is gonna be my life, and it’s not gonna be what I’m used to, and, you know, how are we gonna redesign my house, and do this, and that, and… Finally, my husband looked at me one day, and he’s like, what the hell is wrong with you? And I was like, what are you talking about? He’s like, this is ridiculous. He’s like, you fix everybody else. He’s like you can fix yourself. Why do you think you can’t fix yourself, or you don’t know the people that can fix you? You need to get out of this, and pick yourself up, and start doing what you tell your patients. And… and I sat there, and at first I was like just did he know that I’m sick? Like, I have MS. I took that victim mode for a little bit, and then I went, no, he’s right. Like, this is my wake-up call to say, I can reverse this, I can fix this, and total, total turnaround, too. Like, I started reaching out to my friends and colleagues, because I kept myself in this huge bubble, like, I didn’t want anyone to know what was going on with me, because I was afraid my patients wouldn’t see me, what are my staff going to say? My staff are going to leave, and if I lose my business, what am I going to do? And da-da-da-da, all those fears. And then… when I finally started opening up and sharing with people, people started bringing me other people, and you need to talk to this person, you need to talk to this person. They connected me here and there, and this place, and 18 months later, I was totally back to normal again. And now my practice is growing, and we’re adding on, and it’s bigger, and I’m taking on more projects than I feel like myself, and… and I was a lot like you, too. Like, I couldn’t remember my protocols that I’ve done for 20 years. I had to depend on what was in the EHR to pull forward, because I always had them in my notes, so I didn’t have to type them all the time, but I was like I have to pull that forward, because I don’t remember the name of the supplement that I’ve used for 15 years. I don’t remember what laps I’m ordering. I don’t remember the normal values of this stuff. And now it’s back on the tip of my tongue, but at the time, it was a little scary, for sure. Kristin Reihman 14:47Wow, so scary. Well, that’s a remarkable story, and why I can’t wait to have you on my podcast, but I’m really… I’m really happy that you had a healing team around you, too, who was like, yeah, nope, that’s not your… that’s not the train we’re on. Get off that train. Come back on your usual train. What are you doing over there? Dr. Deb 15:03Yeah, and you know, I hope that a lot of patients have that, or people that are experiencing this have that, but there’s so many people who don’t have that. And they need somebody, they need somebody in their corner, like we had in our corners, to help pick them up and say, this doesn’t have to be your reality. It can change, but it is a lot of work, like you said. It’s a lot of work. It’s not… Kristin Reihman 15:25Yeah, no, it’s a lot of work. So when I started off. I was work… I was doing probably 4 hours a morning, like, 4… basically, my entire morning was devoted to brain training and healing my brain through the ref… you know, we… I mean, I can get into the details of it, but basically it’s a lot of, like, crawling on the floor. On your belly, creeping on your hands and knees, doing reflex bags to stimulate, you know, more blood flow to the brain, doing a lot of smells. You know, and just staying with it, you know? And I remember balking, even in the beginning, I was, like, seeing some changes, I was feeling more motivated. I remember feeling this… I started noticing it was changing about 2 weeks in, when I would get up in the morning. And I would… I noticed I would start… I would do my, like, beginnings of the day, I would get the kids on the bus, I would do everyone’s breakfast, I’d do the dishes, and I’d be, like, sitting down and being like, hmm, like, what am I supposed to be doing now? Like, where… What is my purpose today? And because I had this plan, I was just like, well, I know that has to happen, so I may as well do that now. And I would get on the floor, and I would start crawling down the length of our hallway. And within about 8 laps, I would feel my brain, like. I felt like it integrating. I would feel things, like, just coming online, and I’d be like, oh, right. I know who I am, I know what I’m doing today, I have these other things this afternoon, I gotta get this done before noon, and I would do it. But it was really interesting, and I’ve never been a coffee drinker, but when I thought of what that felt like, to me, that’s how people often describe, like, my brain doesn’t wake up until I have coffee. I never needed coffee to have… my brain woke up before I’d wake up, and I’d be like, bing, and I’m ready to go. But when I had the brain injury for those 9 months, it wasn’t that way the whole time. In the beginning, it was very hard to get my brain back in the morning, and it was creeping and crawling that would pull it in. Dr. Deb 17:08Wow. Is there one particular thing that you did that you felt made the biggest difference to rebuilding your brain? Kristin Reihman 17:15Crawling on my belly like a commando, wearing elbow pads, knee pads, actually two sets of knee pads, wearing toe shoes, and just ripping laps on my floor. Dr. Deb 17:26Oh, and that’s so simple to do. So why does that work? Kristin Reihman 17:31So interesting, and I… this is the kind of… this is the… the story of this is something that I think is bigger than all of us, and I wish everybody knew how to optimize your brain using just the simple hallway in your house. But essentially, if you take a newborn baby. And you put them on mom’s belly, and they’re neurologically intact, and maybe you’ve seen videos of this. There used to be a video circulating about a baby born onto mom’s belly, nobody touches the baby, and in about 2 minutes and 34 seconds, that baby crawls on its belly, like, uses arms, uses its toe dig with its little babinsky, and pushes its way up to mom’s breast. Latches on with its reflexes, and there you go. That baby keeps itself alive through its primitive reflexes. So it’s essentially telling its brain, every time it runs those reflexes, every time it does a little toe dig, every time it, like, swings its arm across in a cross-later, hetero… what do we call, a homolateral pattern. That little baby is getting a message to its brain that says, grow and heal and organize. And because all the reflexes come out of the middle and lower brain stem. That’s the part of the brain that’s organizing as a baby. And as a baby grows and does the various things a baby does using its reflexes, like eventually on its belly, crawling across the floor, and then popping up to hands and knees, and creeping across the floor, and eventually standing and walking, all of those things are invoking a different set of reflexes that tell the brain to grow and heal and organize. So it’s almost like the function creates the structure, and if you run those pathways again and again and again your brain will get the message to basically invoke its own neuroplasticity, and that’s how a baby’s brain grows. And it turns out, any brain of any age, if you put it through those same pathways, it will send a message of neuroplasticity to the brain, and the brain will grow and heal and organize. Dr. Deb 19:16That was going to be my question, is why aren’t we using this for elderly people with dementia, or Alzheimer’s, or stroke, or Parkinson’s, or things like that, to help them regrow their brain? Kristin Reihman 19:28Well, because number one, nobody knows about it. Number two, even when people do know about it, nobody likes to be on the floor like a baby, creepy and crawling. And least of all the stubborn old people with dementia who are, like, who don’t even think they have a problem. I mean, the problem with the brain not working, as I discovered, and it sounds like you discovered, too, is the brain that’s not working doesn’t know it’s not working, or worse, doesn’t care. You know, and so it’s tricky with adults. With kids who, you know, you have some sort of power over, you can often make your kids do things that they don’t want to do, like eat their vegetables, or creep and crawl on the floor for 80, you know, 80 laps before they get to go, you know, do their thing. But adults are a little trickier. Dr. Deb 20:10Is there another way for us to be able to do that same thing without the crawling on the floor? Like, could they do it in a sitting motion, or do they need that whole connection to happen? Kristin Reihman 20:21Well, they need to be moving in a cross pattern, and they need to be moving their arms and their legs in such a way that stimulates the reflexes. But you can do that on your bed, you can do it face down on your bed by getting into a pattern, and switching sides and, you know, moving your legs and your arms in the opposite… in the, you know, an opposite cross pattern, and that will get you some of the benefit. And we, in fact, we have… we work with kids who are paralyzed and who don’t… aren’t able to independently move forward in a crawling pattern, who have people coordinating their movements so that they get the same movement, and the brain registers it, and they do make progress, and some of them eventually. Crawl, and then creep, and then walk. Dr. Deb 20:59Wow, that’s so… and it’s so simple and easy for people to do. Kristin Reihman 21:04Well, it’s simple. I don’t know that it’s easy. I do… I do… having done it myself, I will say it’s probably the hardest thing I’ve ever done, was literally crawl my way out of that brain injury. And I’m so glad that I knew what to do, and I’m so glad I had people push me to remind me that it was important, because… I’ll even… I’ll share another story of my own resistance. So, about 2 or 3 weeks into it, I was up to 300 meters of crawling on my belly. And 600 meters of creeping on hands and knees, which was really killing my knees, which was why I was wearing two knee pads. And, I started to get this feeling that maybe I wasn’t doing enough. Like, even though I was noticing changes, and even though I was feeling more purpose, and I was getting organized in the morning, I could tell it was making a difference. I… I knew, I remembered that usually the kids on our program are doing a lot more than that, including my own… my youngest kids, but I made them creep and crawl, even though they didn’t have serious brain injuries, I just thought, we’re gonna optimize everyone, get on the floor, get on the floor. Lord so I was… I was nervous about not doing enough, so I… I reached out to the member… one of the members of the team, and I said, you know, hey, Maria, what’s… what do you think about my numbers? And here’s a… here’s a video of me creeping and crawling, what do you think? Am I doing it right? And she said, you’re doing it right, but how many, how many meters are you doing? And I said, I’m doing 300 meters of crawling on my belly, and 600 meters of creeping, and she’s like, oh. Yeah, that’s not nearly enough for an adult. She’s like, Matthew probably gave you those numbers because he felt bad for you and thought you were going to be still working. He didn’t know you were going to take off from patients. Now that you’re… since you’re not working, you need to do more. I was like, okay, tell me… tell me how much I’m supposed to do. And she goes, you need 900 meters of crawling on your belly, and 3,600 meters, 3.6 kilometers of basically crawling on my hands and knees. Dr. Deb 22:51Oh my gosh. Kristin Reihman 22:52And I just shut down. Dr. Deb 22:54Yeah. Kristin Reihman 22:55I was like, okay, screw it. I’m not doing it. Dr. Deb 22:58And I spent a day or two just not doing it and feeling petulant, and then I was like, you know what? Kristin Reihman 23:01Forget that, I was noticing some benefit. I’m gonna do my 300-600. So, the next day, I went and did 300 and 600 while my daughter was at physical therapy, and we got back in the car, and I said, hey, I’m so excited, I finished my… all my creepy and crawling, and it’s only 10 a.m. on a Saturday, I’m done for the weekend. And she did this. She’s sitting in the car, she looks at me, she goes. Was that your whole program, or was that a third of your program? Dr. Deb 23:28How old is she? Kristin Reihman 23:01Well, she’s, like, 20 now, but she was 18 at the time, and she… she had my number, and I was like, Tula! How can you say that? I’m working so hard! And she’s like, Mom? You need to stop seeing patients completely, and do what they tell you at the Family Hope Center. Because we’re your family, and this is your brain we’re talking about, and we need you to have all your brain back. And I must have looked terrible, because she goes, too much? Dr. Deb 23:54You raised a good daughter. Kristin Reihman 23:58And I was like, well, let me tell… let me ask you, do you mean that? She goes, yeah, I really mean that. I’m like, then it’s not too much. I needed to hear that. Thank you. And I went home, and I finished another 600 of crawls. I didn’t… I never got up to 3,600 of creeps. It was just too much for my knees. I got to 900 and 900, but that was the end of my resistance, and I just did it. Dr. Deb 24:17I just did it. Yeah, your family needed you, right? I mean, when somebody in your family that you love tells you they need you, that’s a huge motivating factor. Kristin Reihman 24:27Yeah, yeah, I’m so grateful for that. So, I did that for 9 months, and at the end of 9 months, my eye was straight and stayed straight, my balance was back, I was multitasking again, and I could take, you know, days and days off of creeping and crawling and not notice a dip. I was like, I’m done. Dr. Deb 24:45Wow, that’s awesome. Kristin Reihman 24:46Yeah. Dr. Deb 24:47During this process, you also discovered that you’re part of 20% of the people with clotting genetics. Tell us a little bit about that. What’s your understanding in that? Kristin Reihman 24:58Well, so, I’ll back up. So, before I had my stroke, I had already been seeing patients with really complex, you know, patients like yours, really complex stories, lots of different things going on, kind of the perfect storm for if they got a tick bite, they tanked. Dr. Deb 25:12and… Kristin Reihman 25:13And I’m one of those people, and my patients were those people. And about 7 years ago, I had one of these patients who said to me, you know, I’ve never told you this, but when I was in my 20s, I had so many bladder infections, so much, like, you know, kind of interstitial cystitis, they said it was, and they said it wasn’t an infection, but it felt like one. And I’ve been doing a little research, and I’ve learned about this woman whose name’s Ruth Kriz, she’s a nurse practitioner, and she sees Patients, and she has… she works with practitioners, and she basically heals interstitial cystitis. And I want you to work with her, I want you to learn from her. And I was like, I’m game. That sounds really interesting, I have no idea what she’s doing, and you don’t usually hear the words cure and interstitial cystitis in the same sentence, so, like, I’m in. So I reached out to Ruth, and long story short, I’ve been working with her for the last 5 or 7 years basically increasing the number of patients who I’m diagnosing now with these hidden bladder infections that are really often what’s at the root of these interstitial cystitis symptoms, meaning, you know, you go to the doctor, you pee in a cup, they look for something, they say there’s no infection here, so, you know, you’re probably crazy, or, you know, you probably have just a pain syndrome, we can’t help you. And actually, if you look with a much more sensitive test, and if you break down the biofilms where these bugs kind of are living in the bladder, you find them. And then you can treat them, and then people get well. So I knew about this, and I, didn’t have any bladder infections that I knew about, and what I did start to think about after my stroke was, well, maybe, since these people who have these bladder infections often have issues breaking down biofilms, the same genetics that lead you to have trouble breaking down biofilms, which are these places where the bugs are kind of hiding in your body, have trouble breaking down clots. And I just had some strokes. I wonder if I have maybe some of these clotting genetics that I’m looking for in all my bladder people. And so I looked, and surprise, surprise, I had not one, not two, but, like, six of them. Ruth said to me, Ruth said, Darlin, I don’t know how you’re standing up. This is more than I’ve ever seen in any of my patients. And she’s been doing this for, like, 4 years now. I was like, oh boy, that’s not good. But in retrospect, it made a lot of sense to me, because having the clotting genetics I have. puts me at risk for severe, you know, chronic Lyme that’s intractable, which I had. It puts me at risk for trouble with, you know, having surgery and clotting and, you know, low blood pressure and low flow states. It puts me at risk for the cold hands and cold feet that I had my entire life until I started treating the clotting issues by taking an enzyme that breaks down little microclots. I mean, I was the person in med school who’d put my hands on people, be like, I’m so sorry. My hands are ice. Warm heart, cold hands, warm heart. Yeah, not anymore, because I’ve treated it. But yeah, so I was surprised slash not surprised to find that I’m one of the people in my community who is a setup for chronic infections and, strokes and bladder infections. Dr. Deb 28:22So you just had that predisposition that took you down that path. Kristin Reihman 28:28Yeah, I think so. Dr. Deb 28:30What are some of the layers of biofilm and the stealth pathogens, like tick-borne diseases and things like that, hiding inside us that… what are some of the symptoms look like, and how do they look different in people with clotting disorders versus the common tick-borne disease? Kristin Reihman 28:47I would say they’re very similar, so it tends to be poor peripheral circulation, so if you put your hands on your neck, and your hands feel cold to your neck difference in the heat, right? The amount of blood flow in your sort of axial skeleton and area as compared to the periphery. And that can indicate a biofilm kind of predisposition or a clotting disposition. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s there, but it’s a clue, right? Another clue is a family history of any kind of clotting disorders. So, miscarriages, heart attacks, especially early heart attacks, strokes, especially strokes in young people. These things are… are clues that we should probably look for some kind of clotting issue. And of course, in my population, I’m always thinking about it now, because if you have not been able to get well with the usual things for Lyme disease, for example, or Babesia or Bartonella, all of which, by the way, can form biofilms or, you know, love to live and hide in biofilms, then chances are your body’s having a hard time addressing those biofilms. And it turns out, so the connection between the clotting and the biofilm piece is that the same proteins that our body uses to break down Biofilms are used to break down microclots, blood clots, and soluble fibrin, which are the sort of precursors to those clots. And so, if we have an issue kind of grinding up those just normal flotsam and jetsam in our blood flow, then our blood flow is going to become sticky, and our blood will become sort of stagnant and sludgy, and that’s sort of a setup for not being able to heal from infections. Dr. Deb 30:25Is one of the genetic markers you look at MTHFR? Kristin Reihman 30:28I look at that, but I don’t consider that a clotting issue, unless it leads to high homocysteine. So, homocysteine can be either high or low, they’re both problematic. And MTHFR can create either an over-methylation situation, and sometimes if people have low homocysteine, it’s almost worse, because they’re such poor detoxers that they can’t actually get anything out of their system, and they get sludgy for that reason. But I think in terms of the clotting, the bigger issue is high homocysteine, which, you know, typically the MTHFRs, the 1298 would be more implicated for that. Dr. Deb 31:02Yeah, it kind of sets you up. Dr. Deb 31:04Yeah, yeah. Kristin Reihman 31:05I’m curious what you’re seeing. I know since the pandemic, we see a lot of people with elevated D-dimer levels.Are you seeing some of that in your practice, too? Like, we’re seeing more of it, and now that you’re talking about this, I’m wondering if some of those people are predisposed to some of these genetic makeups, and that’s why we’re seeing such a high rise in that.It… and this is connected, and it’s a piece we’re missing. Kristin Reihman31:29Yes, I do think it’s a piece we’re missing. There was a very interesting study that came out of South Africa. A physician in his office did a clinical study on his patients using 3 blood thinners. So he put people on Plavix, and Eliquis, and aspirin, all at once. It… yeah, you’d be hard-pressed to find a doctor in the States to, like, you know, kind of risk that, because most people don’t even want people on aspirin and Flavix at the same time. Dr. Deb 31:55But Kristin Reihman 31:56They put them on 3 different blood thinners, people with long COVID, and in 6 months, 80% of those people were completely free of symptoms. Dr. Deb 32:04Wow. Kristin Reihman 32:05Yeah, yeah. Now, my question is, what about that 20%? Like, what’s going on with them? And I suspect, they weren’t looking at the other half of the pathway, because when you give a blood thinner, you’re not doing anything to help the body break down clot. You’re simply stopping the body from making more of it. And you rely on the body’s own mechanisms, you know, plasminogen activating inhibitor, for example to kind of grind up those clots and take them out. But when people have a mutation, say, in that protein, they’re not going to be able to grind up the clots, and so my suspicion is the 20% of people who didn’t get well in that study were people who had issues on the other side of the pathway. Dr. Deb 32:44Yeah, they weren’t able to excrete that out and maybe have some fiber and issues and things like that, and that wasn’t being addressed. Kristin Reihman 32:50Yeah Dr. Deb 32:51Yeah Kristin Reihman 32:52Of course, COVID makes its own biofilm. There’s a whole… there’s a whole new, you know, arm of research looking at sort of the different proteins that get folded in the body when COVID spike proteins are in there, kind of creating these almost, like, little amyloid plaque situations in your blood vessels. So, I do think that people who can’t break those down are really at risk for both COVID and the shots. You know, the spike protein comes at you for both of those, right? Dr. Deb 33:17Yeah. Did you use any lumbrokinase or natokinase in your situation? Kristin Reihman 33:22So lumbar kinase is what I use. It’s my main player. I use the Canada RNA one, which is, you know, I think, you know, more studied than any of the other ones, and because of its formulation, it’s about 12 times more potent than anything else out there. So that’s what I’m pretty much on for life. You know, that’s… I consider that kind of my…My… my main game. Dr. Deb 33:44Yeah, I agree, I love Limerocheinase for that, that’s really good. So you recently hosted a retreat around this topic. What were some of your biggest aha moments for the participants as they started unraveling some of these biofilm layers? Kristin Reihman 34:00Yeah, no, it was so fun. My sister and I host retreats together. She came out from California and did the yoga, and I did the teaching about biofilms and bladder issues, and it was really fabulous, because a lot of these folks are people already in my community. A few of them were new, and so we had this wonderful Kind of connection, and learning together, and just validation of what it is to live with symptoms that are super inconvenient, you know? Like, one of the… one of the members even, or participants even brought a big bag of, like, pads, and she’s like, listen, ladies. This is what I’m going to use to get through the week. If you want to borrow, I’ll put my little stash over there, and I think they all went by the end of the week. So we… my aha moment was just how powerful it is to be, hosting community and facilitating conversations where people really feel seen and heard, and just how important that is, especially post-COVID, right? When we, you know, so many people just really missed that piece of other humans. And, yeah, I love… I love being able to help people connect around stuff like that. Dr. Deb 35:00That’s awesome. So, for people who are listening that have that mystery, quote-unquote bladder issue, frequent UTIs, interstitial cystitis symptoms, or pelvic pain, or bladder spasms. Where should they start, and what are the first clues that tell you this is biofilm-driven? Kristin Reihman 35:20So, I think it’s always a good idea to… to do a test, you know, to take a microgen test. There’s a couple companies out there, I think Microgen’s the one that I rely on more than any of the others, and it requires, you know, not only doing a very sensitive test like Microgen, but breaking down biofilm before you take it. So, I always encourage people to take a biofilm breaker like lumbrokinase for 5 days leading up to the test, so you’re really grinding into the bladder wall and opening up those biofilms so that when you catch whatever comes out of your bladder, there’s something in there. If you don’t have bladder biofilm, nothing will come out, and you’ll have a negative test, and that’s usually confirmatory. If you’ve done a good provoking with BLUC or, you know, lumbrokinase for 5 days, and nothing comes out then I usually say mischief managed. That’s… that’s a great… that’s great news for you, right? And most people in my community, when they look, they find something, because, you know, not for nothing, but you’re in my community for a reason, right? Dr. Deb 36:17And so… Kristin Reihman 36:18So, yeah, and typically then we need to get into the ring with those bladder biofilms, and it doesn’t… it doesn’t usually take one or two tests, it’s many tests, because the layers are deep. I’m working with children, too, and even in small kids, they… if they have the right genetics, and if they’re living in an environment that is… that kind of can also push them to make more biofilms, like living in mold, for example, is a huge instigator of inflammation and biofilms, and also, you know, microclots and fibrin in the body. then those layers can go deep. And so, we’re peeling the layers one at a time, and we’re treating what comes out, and supporting people along the way. Dr. Deb 36:57With these microgen tests, can you find biofilms in other parts of the body as well, or is it primarily bladder? Kristin Reihman 37:03No, you can find… you can culture… and you can send a microgen PCR for any… any, you know, secretion you want. So they have a semen test, they have a vaginal test, they have a nasal test, you can send sputum, you can culture out what… you can stick a swab in your ear. There’s all sorts of… anything that you can put a swab in, you can… you can send in there. Oh, that’s awesome, that’s amazing. Yeah. Dr. Deb 37:26So, once you identify the drivers, genetics, environment, stealth infections, what does an effective treatment or reversal process look like for people? Kristin Reihman 37:36For the… for the bladder in particular? Well, I wish I could say it was herbs or oxidation, which are my favorite things for Lyme. I haven’t found those to work for the bladder, and so I’m using antibiotics. Which, even though I’m a Western-trained MD, it was not my bag of tricks. You know, when I left, sort of, the matrix medicine model, I really stopped using those things as much as possible, and I’ve had to come back to them, because they really, really work, and they’re really, really needed. So I love it if someone else out there is getting results with something other than antibiotics, please contact me and let me know, because I have plenty of patients who are like, really? Another antibiotic? I’m like, I know. But they work. We also do a really careful job, you know, I work with Ruth Kriz on every case, and we do a very careful job in finding the drug that’s going to be the least broad spectrum, and that’s really only going to tackle the highest percentage bug there. So, MicroGen does this really cool thing. It’s a PCR, next-gen sequencing, they’re looking at genetics, so you don’t have to have it on ice, it can sit on your countertop for a month, and you can still send it in. And they, they, they categorize by percentage, like, what’s there. And they’re not just looking for the 26 or 28 different bacteria that you would get if you were looking at a culture in your doctor’s office. They’re looking for 57,000 different organisms. Fungal and bacterial, yeah? And so, this is why I say, if there’s something there, and you’ve broken down the biofilm, microgen will find it. Dr. Deb 39:06That’s really great. That was going to be my question, is does it pick up fungal biofilms as well? So I’m so glad you mentioned that, because a lot of times with bladder stuff, it’s fungal in that bladder, too, and then we’re throwing an antibiotic at it and just making it worse if it’s fungal in there. Kristin Reihman 39:21Yeah, yeah, that’s… they… and I recently saw one, I had a little Amish girl who came back with 5 different fungal organisms in her bladder. And a whole flurry, a slurry of bacteria, too. Yeah, pretty sick. And that’s usually an indication that you’re living in mold, honestly. Dr. Deb 39:37Now, conventional medicine treats the bladder as a sterile organ, and rarely looks at biofilms. Why do we believe that this has been overlooked for so long, and what are they missing? Kristin Reihman 39:53Dr. Dr. Deb 39:53I’m loaded up. Kristin Reihman 39:54One of the many mysteries of medicine. I have no idea why people are like, la la la, biofilms. I mean, we know, so when I say we know, so when I trained, you know, I trained at Stanford for my medical school, I trained at Lehigh Valley for residency. Great programs, and I learned that, oh yes, biofilms, they exist in catheters of bladders. When people have an indwelling catheter for more than a month and they spike a fever, it’s a biofilm, but it’s only in the catheter. Really? Why does it stop at the catheter? Dr. Deb 40:23Yeah. Kristin Reihman 40:25Or, you know, now chronic sinusitis, people are recognizing this is a bladder… this is not a bladder, this is a biofilm infection in your sinuses. But we’re really reluctant to kind of admit that there’s, you know, that we’re teeming with microorganisms, that they might be setting up shop, and for good, right? Like, it’d be great if they were in biofilms as opposed to our bloodstream. Like, we don’t want them in our bloodstream, so thankfully they wall themselves off. But yeah, I think they’re everywhere. I mean, they found a microbiome in the brain, in the breast, in the, you know, the lung. There’s microbiome, there’s bugs everywhere. And the question is, are they friend or foe? And the bladder really shouldn’t have anybody in it. Because, think about it, you’re flushing it out, you know, 6 times a day. You know, most people who can break down biofilm because their clotting genetics are normal, and because they’re peeing adequately, will never set up an organism shop in their bladder. Even though things are always crawling up, we’re always peeing them out. Dr. Deb 41:23Yeah. Kristin Reihman 41:23And then there’s the 20% of us who… Who aren’t that way. Dr. Deb 41:30Oh, so you run the Interflow program and a number of healing communities. What tools and teachings have been the most transformational for people going through this journey? And tell us a little bit about the Interflow program, too, please. Kristin Reihman 41:44Okay, maybe I’ll start there, because honestly, I have to think about the which tools are most transformational. The Interflow program is my newest offering, and we developed it because my team and I were looking around at the patients we had, and so many folks were needing to go down this… we call it the microgen journey, like, get on the microgen train and just start that process. And there was just a lot of hand-holding and support, and… education that they were requiring. And by the way, their brains aren’t working that great, because when you have these infections, you know, you’re dealing with, like, downloads of ammonia from time to time from the bladder organisms, you’re dealing with a lot of brain fog, overwhelm, you know, there’s just a lot of… you know how our patients are, they… they… they’re struggling, and they really need a lot of hand-holding, and so we were providing that. But we kept thinking, like, gosh, it would be great to get these guys in community, like you know, we can say all we want, like, you know, it’s important to check your pH, it’s important to, like, stay on top of the whatever, but it’d be great to have them hear that from one another, and to have them also hear, sort of, that they’re not alone. So, because we had some experience running communities online, which we started during the pandemic and has been super successful, we said, let’s do this, let’s create a little online community of our inner… of our, you know, call them… informally, we call them our bladder babes. But, like, let’s create a community of people who are looking to really heal and get to this deep, deep root that no one else is doing. And that was really the key for me, that nobody else is really doing this. Very few people are doing it or aware of it. I wish that weren’t the case, but as it stands now, it’s pretty hard to find someone to take this seriously. Most doctors, if you even take a microgen to them, they’ll say, oh, there’s 10 organisms on here, that’s a contamination. That must be contaminated. Well, yeah, buy your biofilms, but they don’t know about biofilms, so they think it just comes from the lab. Dr. Deb 43:31Something. Kristin Reihman 43:32I don’t know. But, yeah, basically it was because I felt called to do this service that no one else is providing, and I wanted to do it in a way that was going to be really optimally supportive for people. So we created a membership, basically. Dr. Deb 43:44Do you see a difference in men and women? Obviously, women have this problem more than men, but do you see a difference in how many men that have these self-infections or live in mold compared to women? Kristin Reihman 43:57I… it’s hard to know, really, what the, sort of, prevalence is out there, I will say, in terms of who calls our office. Dr. Deb 43:03It’s, you know, 95% women call our office. Kristin Reihman 44:08And occasionally, we’ve had someone call our office on behalf of a husband or a son. I just saw a woman whose 2-year-old son is in our Bladder Babes community. But typically, it’s the women who are seeking care around this, and I don’t know if that’s a function of their having more of the issues. I suspect it is, because as you said before, so many more women deal with these complex mystery illnesses than men.But there certainly are men who have them. Dr. Deb 44:33Yeah. So, you’ve lived through Lyme, chronic illness, stroke, and now biofilm-driven bladder issues, and you’ve come out stronger. What mind shifts helped you stay resilient through all of these chapters? Kristin Reihman 44:50I think there have been many. I think the first one I had to really, Really accept and lean into and kind of internalize. Was this idea that, I… I couldn’t… I didn’t have to do the work that I was doing. Dr. Deb 45:09You know? Kristin Reihman 45:09In order to be of value to the world. You know, I’d trained in a certain way, I had, you know, I had this beautiful practice. I was working in the inner city, I was working with my best friend, we were seeing really needy people who had no money, and it felt really, like, you know, I felt very sort of service-driven and connected to a purpose. And I think the hardest thing in the beginning for me was realizing, I can’t do that work anymore. That’s not the work that I’m… needing to do, and to make a leap into the unknown. It felt like, you know, having a baby at 45 and not doing any ultrasounds, or any tests, and just being like, I’m birthing something here. I don’t know what it is, it’s me, but who knows what she’s gonna look like, or… what this doctor is going to be, you know, what, you know, peddling in terms of her tools. That was a big leap of faith, and I think letting go of the kind of control of needing to be… needing to look a certain way and be a certain kind of doctor was a big step for me, my big initial step. Dr. Deb 46:05That’s really hard, because you’re taught and ingrained in who you’re supposed to be as a doctor, and what that person’s supposed to be, what your persona’s supposed to be. And doing a lot of the Klinghart work and some of those things, and I’m sure on the days crawling through the floor, you’re like, this is not what I was trained to do. If my colleagues could only see me now, they’d… they’d… Commit me, right? But like you said, just giving that leap of faith and saying, I’m gonna turn this over to your higher power, and you’re gonna bring me out on the other side, and trusting that, that is a vulnerability for us that is huge. Kristin Reihman 46:43Yeah, and I mean, I’d like to say it’s because I’m some sort of strong person, but truthfully, I feel like there was no other choice. Like, I had to surrender because there was… the alternative was death or something. I didn’t… I don’t know, right? There was no other choice. Dr. Deb 46:56Yeah. Kristin Reihman 46:56I couldn’t move. I was in so much pain. I couldn’t move. Couldn’t get out of bed. Dr. Deb 47:01Thank you so much for sharing all of this and being vulnerable with our audience. Where can people find you? Find your book, your podcast, your programs, if they want to go deeper with you? Kristin Reihman 47:12Yeah, thanks for asking. So, I have a website, it’s my name, kristenRymanMD.com, and all my programs are listed there. I have several, you know, I have a, sort of, a wellness… I have an online membership for well people who want to stay well and pick my brain every week around, sort of, healthy, holistic tools. It’s called The Healing Grove.I have a podcast that people can listen to for free, where I interview people like you, and you’re gonna be on it, right? She’s gonna be on it soon. Dr. Deb 47:38I’d love to. Kristin Reihman 47:39So I can share stories of hope and transformational tools with people. I also have a Life After Lyme coaching program, which is kind of the place where I invite people who are dealing with a mystery illness to come get some support, community, and guidance from someone like me, and also just from the other people in the room. There’s a lot of wisdom in those groups. And that’s… I guess that’s the answer I’ll share for what you asked earlier, like, what’s the main tool they take away? I think they take away an understanding that community really matters, and that they’re not alone. You know, I think it can be very lonely to be stuck in these… to feel stuck in these illnesses, and people need to be reminded that they’re… that they’re human, you know, and that they’re worthy of love and acceptance. I think that’s what people get from my… from my community, is kind of like, that’s the common thread. Dr. Deb 48:23They definitely need that. Kristin Reihman 48:25Man. Dr. Deb 48:26Kirsten, thank you so much for sharing your powerful story. Your work is so needed, and your ability to weave personal experience and advanced clinical insight is exactly what our community craves. And this kind of conversation helps women finally be seen and heard, which is my motto too, and gives them just the real tools to get their life back. And for everyone listening, if you’re struggling with unexplained bladder pain, frequent UTIs, pelvic discomfort, or symptoms that never match your labs, because they never quite do. You are not crazy, you are not alone. You need to find the answers, you need to be with community, and there are solutions, and conversations like this is how we bring them forward. So, thank you all for tuning in to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I’m your host.And until next time… Kristin Reihman 49:15Thanks, Dr. Dove. Dr. Deb 49:16Thank you. This was awesome. Thank you so much. This was… Kristin Reihman 49:21You’re so welcome, you’re such a great interviewer.The post Episode 251 – Chronic Bladder Symptoms, Biofilms, and the Hidden Genetic Drivers first appeared on Let's Talk Wellness Now.

David Jernigan 0:15Hello! Dr. Deb 0:16Hi there, sorry for all the confusion. David Jernigan 0:19Oh, no worries, you gotta love it, right? Dr. Deb 0:21Oh, I can’t hear you. David Jernigan 0:23No way, let’s see, my mic must be turned off? Dr. Deb 0:27Hang on, I think it’s me. Let’s see…Okay, let’s try now. David Jernigan 0:40Okay, can you hear me? Dr. Deb 0:42Yep, I can hear you now. David Jernigan 0:43Excellent, excellent. And, how are you today? Dr. Deb 0:48I am good, thank you. How about yourself? David Jernigan 0:50I’m good. Well, it’s good to finally meet you and get this thing rolling. Dr. Deb 0:56Yes, yes, I’m so sorry about that. David Jernigan 0:58That’s alright, that’s alright.So… Dr. Deb 1:01Yeah, go ahead. David Jernigan 1:03So, tell me about yourself before we get going. Dr. Deb 1:06Yeah, so I am a nurse practitioner. I’m also a naturopath. I have a practice here in Wisconsin. I’ve been treating Lyme for about 20 years, so I’m really excited to have this conversation and learn what you’re doing, because it’s so exciting and new. David Jernigan 1:21Well, thank you. Dr. Deb 1:22Yeah, so we treat a lot of chronic illness patients, do some anti-aging regenerative things as well, so… David Jernigan 1:30Yeah, I went to your website and saw you guys are killing it, looks like. Dr. Deb 1:35Yeah. David Jernigan 1:35Got a lot of good staff, it looks like. Dr. Deb 1:37Yeah, we’ve got great staff, great patients, busy practice. We have 5 practitioners, so we have about 15,000 patients in our practice right now. David Jernigan 1:46Well, excellent. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, yeah.So, I’m excited for this discussion. Dr. Deb 1:53Good, me too. So I pre-recorded our intro, so we can just kind of dive right in, and I’ll just ask you to kind of introduce yourself a little bit, tell us a little bit about yourself, and, and then we can just dive right into it. David Jernigan 2:08All right. I’m Dr. David Jernigan, and I own the Biologic Center for Optimum Health in… Franklin, Tennessee, and I’ve been in practice for over 30 years. I shook Willie Bergdurfer’s hand, if anybody knows who that is. It’s kind of infamous now with some of the revelations that have happened about Lyme being a bioweapon and weaponized. But, you know, I’ve been doing this, probably longer than almost anybody that’s still in the business in the natural realm. It chose me. I did not choose Lyme. Matter of fact, there were many times in my career that I was like. You know, cancer’s easier because of the fact that everybody agrees, you know, what we’re dealing with. And in the 90s, it was a whole different reality, where nobody actually understood that you could have Lyme disease and not be coming from New England.You know, so I had actually the first documented case of a Lyme disease, CDC positive.Patient that had never left the state of Kansas before. So they couldn’t say that it wasn’t in Kansas, and so she had actually been, pregnant with… twin boys, and they were born CDC-positive as well, and so it is transmitted across the placenta we know.So, I, you know, the history of how I did all this was, in the 90s, probably 1996, probably, somewhere in there, 97. With this woman, you know, I… if you go into Robin’s pathology books from back then. Which we all used, medical doctors and everybody else studying. you know, there was basically a paragraph about Lyme disease, and on the national board tests, as you recall, it was probably like, what causes, or what is, bullseye rash associated with? And you’d had to guess Lyme disease, of course. Dr. Deb 4:07Female. David Jernigan 4:08But that was, you know, considered to be more a New England illness, and you would never see it anywhere else. But here was this woman. I knew… nothing about Lyme beyond what we had gotten taught in college, which was, like I say, next to nothing. And she would not let me stop feeding me information. I mean, you gotta remember, the internet wasn’t even hardly in existence in those years. I mean, it was brand new. It was supposed to be this information highway, and So I started purchasing, like a lot of doctors do even now, they start purchasing every kind of new supplement that’s supposed to work for bacteria. There was no product in those days that actually was Lyme-specific. I mean, nobody was really dealing with it naturally. It was always a pharmaceutical situation. Dr. Deb 5:04And a very short course at that. David Jernigan 5:06Yeah, 2 weeks of doxy and you’re cured, whether your symptoms are gone or not, which… she’d had the 2 weeks of doxy, and her symptoms and her son’s symptoms were not gone. And so, I absolutely just purchased everything I could find. Nothing would work. I mean, I could name names of products, and you would recognize them, because they’re still out there today. Dr. Deb 5:28Which is. David Jernigan 5:30Kind of a… A sad thing that natural medicine is still riding on these things that have the most marketing. Dr. Deb 5:37As opposed to sometimes the things that actually have the documented research. David Jernigan 5:42Behind it, and I am a doctor of chiropractic medicine, and I specialized all these years in chronic, incurable illnesses of all types. That may sound odd to a lot of people, but doctors of chiropractic medicine are trained just like a GP typically would be. The medical schools, as I understand it, got together, decades ago and said, wow, if all we did was… Crank out general practitioners for the next 10 years, we wouldn’t have still enough general practitioners to supply the demand. Dr. Deb 6:17Right. Everybody in medicine, in medical schools, wanted to be a specialist, because that’s where the money was, and it was… David Jernigan 6:24Easier, kind of, also, to… you know, just focus on one part of the body, and specialize in that. Dr. Deb 6:31Expert in that one area. David Jernigan 6:32So we all now have the same training. We all go through pre-med. We got a bachelor’s degree, I got my bachelor’s degree in nutrition, and through, Park University in Parkville, Missouri. And so, you know, when I ran out of options to purchase, I just used a technology that I developed, which was an advancement upon other technologies, but I called it bioresonance scanning. And I coined the term back in the 90s. It was a way to kind ofKind of like a sensitive test, you know, like you might. Dr. Deb 7:09I wouldn’t. David Jernigan 7:09Of applied kinesiology, then clinical kinesiology, then chiro plus kinesiology, then, you know, you can just keep going with all the advancements that were made. Well, this was an advancement upon those things, so… I developed… I was the first in… in… my known world of doctors to develop a way to detect adjunctively, obviously we can’t say it’s a primary diagnosis. Adjunctively detect the presence of a given specimen. So we could say, thus saith my test. It’s highly likely you have Borrelia burgdurferi. And, but I had to have the specimen on hand to be able to match what I call frequency matching to the specimen. Brand new concept in those days. And so I was able to detect whether or not my treatments were successful or not. This is something even now that’s really difficult for doctors, because antibody tests, even the most advanced ones, it’s still an antibody test. It’s still an immune response to an infection.And accurately, you know, some doctors will slam those tests, saying, well. That doesn’t mean you actually have the infection, that just means your body has seen it before, which is a correct statement, kind of. So being able to detect the presence, and even where in the body these infections are was a way huge advancement in the 90s, for sure it’s kind of funny, I think about a conference I went to, and cuz… I’m kind of jumping ahead. Because I ended up developing my own formula, just for this woman and her children, and it worked. And I was like, wow! Their symptoms were gone, all the blood tests came back negative. In those days, we were using the iGenX. Western blot, eventually. And the, what was called a Lyme urine antigen test. I don’t know if you remember that, because it… Only decades later did I meet, the owner of iGenX, Nick Harris. Dr. Deb 9:17Person. And I was like, whatever happened to the Luwat test? Because I took it off the market after a while. He said, honestly, we lost the antigen and couldn’t find it again. Oh, no. David Jernigan 9:27And so… but that was a brilliant test. It was the actual gold standard in those days. Again, the world… it can’t be understated how different the world was in the 90s. Dr. Deb 9:40Yeah. David Jernigan 9:41Towards natural medicine, even. Dr. Deb 9:44Oh, yeah. We think… we think it’s bad now, but, like, when I started, too, I started in the early 2000s, like, we were all hiding under the radar, like, you didn’t market, we would have never been on social media, we didn’t run ads, we didn’t do any. David Jernigan 10:00Right. Dr. Deb 10:01Because the medical boards were coming for us. David Jernigan 10:04Came after me. Dr. Deb 10:05Because I had the word Lime on my page, my website. David Jernigan 10:10You know, not saying that I treat Lyme. Dr. Deb 10:13Hmm? David Jernigan 10:13Yes Dr. Deb 10:15Just talking about mind. David Jernigan 10:16And it’s funny, because, once I had this formula, it was something… and I trained in Germany, in anthroposophical medicine, and they’ve been trained in herbal… making herbal extracts, making homeopathic remedies in the anthroposophical methodology, and I trained with the Hahnemann versions of homeopathy, which is just slightly different. Yeah. And, so I was well-versed with making some of my own formulas by that time. And so, it was really something that I wrote on the bottle, you know, and I had to call it something, so I called it Borreligin, which is still in existence, and it’s still a phenomenal herbal remedy right now. And to my knowledge, it’s the only frequency-matched herbal formula. Maybe still out there. Because unless you knew how to do my testing, the bioresonent scanning, there was no way to actually do frequency matching. Matter of fact, as a really famous herbalist attacked me online, saying, oh, none of these herbs will kill anything. And I’m like, that wasn’t what I was saying. I was saying, back in those days, I was saying, well, if… what would the body need to address these infections?You know, not, like, what’s gonna kill the infections for the body. Dr. Deb 11:38Right. David Jernigan 11:39Right? So it was a phenomenal way, but the LUAT test was amazing because what you’d do is you would give your treatment, like an MD would give an antibiotic for a week, ahead of time. Trying to increase the number of dead spirochetes showing up in your urine one day out of 3 days urine catch. So you’d wake up in the morning, you’d collect your urine 3 days in a row, and any one of those being positive is a positive. But it was a brilliant test because it wasn’t an antibody test. They were literally counting the number of dead pieces of Lyme bacteria in your urine. I mean, it was pretty irrefutable. So I had a grand slam on the… the Western blot on patients, and I’d also have a grand slam on the LUAT, and their medical doctors would say, oh, that doctor in the lab are probably in cahoots change some lab. Dr. Deb 12:38Of course. David Jernigan 12:39That come in. And I still see that today. You know, it’s like, oh my gosh, the better the tests are getting. There’s still a bias if you do your own research. Well, if you happen to be a doctor who loves research. And you’re a clinician, so you actually treat patients who’s gonna write the research study? Well, of course, the doctor who did the study, well, he’s biased, and I’m like, I still can’t influence lab tests. Well, lab tests aren’t everything. People scream over the internet at me. It’s like, well, a negative lab test doesn’t mean anything. I was like… I get that with the old Western blot testing. Dr. Deb 13:16Right. David Jernigan 13:16The more sensitive tests, which are very close to 100%, Sensitivity, and 100% specificity. So, meaning, like, they can… if you have the infection, they’re gonna find it. Dr. Deb 13:30They’ll find it, yeah. David Jernigan 13:31And if they… if you have the infection, they’re going to be able to tell you exactly 100% correctly what kind of infection it is. Back in those days, you couldn’t, you could just count the dead pieces, which was… Dr. Deb 13:43Yeah. David Jernigan 13:43Significant, but It’s funny, because when medicine does that, you know, mainstream medicine that’s backed by all the nice foundations who donate millions of dollars towards the research. Their negative tests are significant, but if you fund your own, Yours isn’t that significant. Dr. Deb 14:04Right, or what if we call something a seronegative autoimmune disease, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, because none of the tests are positive, but you have all the symptoms. Here, let me give you this $100,000 a year drug. David Jernigan 14:19Yeah. Dr. Deb 14:19And instead of looking for what might actually be causing the symptoms. That’s all okay, but what we do is not okay. David Jernigan 14:27Right. Yeah, it’s a double standard, and it’s getting better. I want to do… tell the world it is getting better. Some of the dinosaurs are retiring. Dr. Deb 14:36No. David Jernigan 14:37Way for people who are… Are more open-minded to new ideas. But, getting back to that woman, she… that formula that I made just for her and her son, I… She went online. Dr. Deb 14:54Which, I had never been on a news group. David Jernigan 14:58Not even sure I knew what one was, you know? Imagine, I’m kind of that dinosaur that… Cell phones were, like, these really big things with a big antenna sticking out of it, and… Dr. Deb 15:09Nope. David Jernigan 15:10So I thought I was pretty hot stuff, just that I actually had a computer software program that was running my front desk. And even then, it was an Apple IIe computer. Dr. Deb 15:21Right. David Jernigan 15:22Probably be pretty valuable right now if I’d kept it, but… Dr. Deb 15:25Mmm… David Jernigan 15:26It being an antique. But, suddenly people were calling my clinic, because the lady with the twin boys that was well was telling people on these research, I mean, these Lyme disease forums and boards online. And, I started going, oh my gosh, you know, as a doctor, it’s one thing to treat a person in your clinic, it’s a different thing to have your clinic name on the label. Like, we all do, Even now, and you’re supposed to write everything that’s on the label, and… all these guidelines, and I’m like, wow, I need to split this off. I mean, I def… I definitely want to help people, and this is… I was pretty excited about the results we were getting. Pre-treat… Pre-treatment and post-treatment. And, so… that’s where I developed, my nutraceutical business in the 90s called Journey Good Nutraceuticals. My advice to anybody thinking about doing the same thing, don’t put your last name on it. Dr. Deb 16:25– David Jernigan 16:25You know, because anytime negative anything comes out, there goes the Jernigan name, you know, the herbal, you know, there’s just all these, and especially nowadays, with all the bots that are just designed to slam natural medicine. Dr. Deb 16:38Yeah. David Jernigan 16:39And that is out there in a… and just ugly people. Dr. Deb 16:42Or should we just say, people with a different opinion? How’s that? David Jernigan 16:46Yeah. That are being less than supportive. Dr. Deb 16:49But. David Jernigan 16:51It was amazing, because by 1999, I presented my research, my first research, I’d never done research. This is what I would… I would say to a lot of people who go, my doctor did… I don’t know, my doctor doesn’t know what you’re doing, my doctor… I was like going, you know, most doctors don’t do research. They don’t publish anything. Their opinion is their opinion, but they don’t back it up in peer review, right? And so that’s what I always tried to do, was back it up in peer review and publish. And so, in 1999, I presented at the International Tick-Borne Diseases Conference in New York City. I’m telling you, it was like the country boy going to the city, you know, I got my… I got my suit on, and I looked all right, and my booth was wonderful, and all these different things, and it was just a big wake-up call.Because what we had demonstrated… let’s get back to the… and this was what I demonstrated with that first study. was that… A positive LUAC test, that Lyme urine antigen test for my Gen X, was a score of 32. Meaning, one of those 3 mornings urine had 32 pieces in the amount of urine they checked of deadline bacteria spirochetes. Okay? Okay. With antibiotic challenges, a highly positive was a score of 45. Dr. Deb 18:19Wow when I would give one dropper 3 times a day for a week. David Jernigan 18:24Ahead of time, and then do the person’s LUAT test, We were getting scores 100, 200… And at that point, we only had a couple, but we had a couple that were greater than 400. Yeah, dead pieces, where the lab just quits counting. They just said, somewhere over 400, right? Dr. Deb 18:45Yeah. David Jernigan 18:46Which, when the medical system at the conference, you know, I was the only natural doctor in the world that was… had any kind of proof of anything naturally that could outperform antibiotics. Can you imagine? Dr. Deb 18:59Yeah. And… David Jernigan 19:01They were just, oh my gosh, incredulous. They’re like, I’ve given the most… one guy came up to me, and to my face, and he goes, I’ve given the most aggressive antibiotic protocols And I’ve only seen one patient over 100. I was like, that makes this pretty significant, doesn’t it? But, it didn’t just, like, make us take off, because guess what? In Lyme world, if a pharmaceutical antibiotic made you feel horrible. That meant it was working. Dr. Deb 19:28That’s right. We used to, back in the day, if you didn’t herx. And had that horrible die-off reaction, for those of you who don’t know what a herx is, but if we didn’t make you herx, we weren’t doing our job right. David Jernigan 19:40You’re looking for your patients to feel horrible, and sometimes to the level of committing suicide. Dr. Deb 19:46Yes. David Jernigan 19:47So bad. Dr. Deb 19:48Yes. David Jernigan 19:49And I was the first doctor, I think, in the world to start screaming and hollering and saying, stop using the worsening of your patient’s symptoms as a guide to good treatment, because they’re… I wasn’t seeing it with my formulas. Because I was doing a comprehensive program of care. I think I was also one of the first doctors to say, we need to detoxify these people as we’re doing this. And you would sit there and say, well, sure you were. I was like, well, remember, there wasn’t a lot of communication. There wasn’t anybody on the internet saying, do this, do that. And, It was, it was interesting in those days. It was, how do you… How do you help the world heal from these things? That they don’t know they have. So later, I actually had a beautiful booth at a health… a big health expo in Texas, I remember, and I was like, you know, you spend a lot of money on the booth, and… Dr. Deb 20:43Yup. David Jernigan 20:43And you’re thinking about it because you’re funding the whole thing, you say, wow, if I only sell one case, I’ll at least cover my cost. Dr. Deb 20:51Yep. Yeah, you’re great. David Jernigan 20:52And I had this beautiful banner of, like, a blown-up tick’s mouth under microscope. You know those beautiful pictures of, like, all the barbs sticking out, and how they anchor themselves in your skin, and… And, thousand people walking by my booth, and they’re just like, keep walking, because they didn’t know they had Lyme. There was, like, and they had MS, maybe, but they don’t have Lyme, and so they just would keep walking. Nobody even knew. Why would I go to a conference in Texas? And I’m trying to say, no, guys, it’s everywhere. Dr. Deb 21:24Yeah. David Jernigan 21:24And… and everybody, you know, yes, you probably have this, you know, kind of thing. If you’re… if you… are chronically ill, almost, of any kind of way. You know, kind of trying to tell people this was… Again, in Robin’s pathology textbooks, one of the few things that it did tell you about Lyme was that it was called the Great… the New Great Imitator. Because it would imitate up to 200 or more different illnesses. So, it’s been an interesting journey, of… educating people, writing articles, but it was interesting, the lady who I first fixed, Laboratory verified, everything like that, symptoms went away, all that kind of fun stuff. Her children were fine, they’ve been fine for years now. When she went on the newsboards in the Lyme disease support groups, It created a war. Oh my goodness, it was like, how dare you? And, say that something natural might actually help, right? Dr. Deb 22:30Right, exactly. David Jernigan 22:32And, I even had… A… one of those first calls to… with a marketing company at one point, way a long time ago. And the lady got on the phone, the owner of the marketing company goes, I would have blood on my hands if I actually took your clinic on. Yeah, you can’t treat Lyme disease, and… Even the big, big associations that are out there are still largely that way. I mean, they’re getting better, but it’s just like… you know, a lot of the times, it’s herbs are good. Herbs will help. Good, you know, but they’re safe. So, it’s still a challenge to… to… present in mainstream Lyme communities, even. Because there’s this… Fear of doing anything outside of antibiotics. Dr. Deb 23:32Yeah, so let me ask you this. From your perspective. Why do you think so many chronic infections exist these days, like Lyme and the co-infections, Babesia, Bartonella, mold illness? And we talked a little bit about herbs and why they, antibiotics and things like that fail, but let’s talk a little bit about that. David Jernigan 23:53So, it’s fascinating. When I trained in Germany, they said that we, as humanity, has moved away from what they called the inflammatory diseases. You know, in the old days, it was. Lots of high fevers, purulent, pus-generating bacterial infections. And I said, as a society, we have… Dr. Deb 24:14Have shifted from those to what they call cold sclerotic diseases, which are your… David Jernigan 24:21Cancers, your diabetes, your atherosclerosis, your… and they said, we’re starting to see what used to only be geriatric diseases in our children. That’s how bad it’s gotten. We have suppressed fevers, we don’t… we don’t respect the wisdom of the human body. So, you know, the doctors say, step aside, body, I will fix this infection for you with this antibiotic. And so, what we’ve done with the, overuse of antibiotics, and this isn’t me just talking from a natural perspective, this is… Right, it’s everybody around the world is acknowledging. I’ll show you… I could show you a, a presentation, if we can do a screen-sharing situation. Yeah. About the antibiotic situation in the world, because it’s really concerning. But what I would say, and kind of like an advancement forward, is we are seeing mutated bacteria. You know, they talked about… do you remember when they found the Iceman, you know, the… You know, the prehistoric guy that’s… In the eyes, and he had Lyme bacteria. I was like, he had spirochetes, maybe. Dr. Deb 25:33Yeah. David Jernigan 25:33That isn’t a modified, mutated version. That’s just maybe the… Lyme… you know, Borrelia… call it Borrelia something, you know, it’s a spirochete, but what we’re dealing with today. Even under strep or staph, as you know, you know, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, you name it, whatever kind of infection a person has is not the same bacteria that your grandparents dealt with. Dr. Deb 26:01That’s right. David Jernigan 26:32It’s a much mutated, stronger, more resistant to treatment type of thing. So, I think that’s one reason. I think the, It’s great that we’re seeing, you know, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. bringing awareness to things that Like it or not, yeah, seed oils do create inflammation, and everyone in the natural realm, as you know. Has been trying to say this for probably how long? Dr. Deb 26:35Yeah, 25, 30 years. 20 years each. David Jernigan 26:48Yes. You know, thank goodness for people like Sally Fallon and her beautiful book, Nourishing Traditions, that started you know, Dr. Bernard Jensen’s books way back in the day, Dr. Christopher’s books way back in the day. Dr. Deb 26:48Damn. David Jernigan 26:49You know, all of them were way ahead of their time, saying, by the way, your margarine is only missing one ingredient from being axle grease. Dr. Deb 26:58Yeah. David Jernigan 26:58I think that was Dr. Jensen saying that at one point, probably 50, 60 years ago, I don’t know. Dr. Deb 27:03Yep. David Jernigan 27:04So, we’ve created this monster. We, we live in a very controlled environment, you know, of 72, 74 degrees at all times, we don’t sweat, we don’t have to work that hard, typically. You know, most of us aren’t out there like our ancestors were, so that’s making us more and more… Move towards the cold sclerotic diseases, of which even Lyme disease is, you know, which… Yes, it has inflammation, yes, but as a presentation, it’s very often associated with some of these Cold sclerotic diseases of mankind that we see now. Dr. Deb 27:46You have it. David Jernigan 27:47Yeah. Dr. Deb 27:48So, tell me, what is phage therapy? David Jernigan 27:52Well, may I show you a cool video? Dr. Deb 27:55Yeah, I’d love that. David Jernigan 27:56I did not make this video, this is just one of my favorites, because it’s from the National Institute of Health. Let’s see if I can just… Click the share screen thing. And get that to pop up. That’s not what I’m looking for, but it’s gonna be soon. Let’s go here… Alright, can you see that? Dr. Deb 28:18Yeah. David Jernigan 28:19Okay. Modern medicine faces a serious problem. Thanks in part to overuse and misuse of antibiotics, many bacteria are gaining resistance to our most common cures. Researchers are probing possible alternatives to antibiotics, including phages. So, bacteriophages, or we like to call them phages for short, are naturally occurring viruses that infect and kill bacteria. The basic structure consists of a head, a sheath, and tail fibers. The tail fibers are what mediate attachment to the bacterial cell. The DNA stored in the head will then travel down the sheath and be injected inside the cell. Once inside the cell, the phage will hijack the cellular machinery to make many copies of itself. Lastly, the newly assembled phages burst forth from the bacterium, which resets their phage life cycle and kills the bacterium in the process. Someday, healthcare providers may be able to treat MRSA and other stubborn bacterial infections using a mixture of phages, or a phage cocktail process would be first to identify what the pathogen is that’s causing the infection. So the bacterium is isolated and is characterized. And then there’s a need to select a phage in a process known as screening of phage that are either present in a repository or in a so-called phage library. That allows for many of the phages to be evaluated for effectiveness against that isolated I don’t know, bacterium. Phages were first discovered over 100 years ago by a French-Canadian named Felice Derrell. They initially gained popularity in Eastern Europe, however, Western countries largely abandoned phages in favor of antibiotics, which were better understood and easier to produce in large quantities. Now, with bacteria like these gaining resistance to antibiotics, phage research is gaining momentum in the United States once again. NIAID recently partnered with other government agencies to host a phage workshop, where researchers from NIH, FTA, the commercial sector, and academia gathered to discuss recent progress. NIH… So… That is… That is what phage therapy in… is. in what I call conventional phage. Let’s see, how do I get out of the share screen? Hope you already don’t see it. Dr. Deb 30:58Yep, at the top, there should just be a button. David Jernigan 31:00I don’t. Dr. Deb 31:00Stop sharing, yeah. David Jernigan 31:01So… Conventional phage therapy, as you just saw, is a lot like what it is that we’re doing, only the difference is they’re taking wild phages from the environment. They’re finding phages anywhere there’s, like, a lot of bacteria. And then they isolate those phages, and like he said, the gentleman at the very end said we put them in a library, and so there are banks of phages that they can actually now use, and One of the largest banks that I know of has about 700 different bacteriophages, or phages. In their bank that they can pull from. Dr. Deb 31:43Wow. Do you want to take a guess? David Jernigan 31:46How many bacteriophages they’ve identified are in the human gut, on average? Dr. Deb 31:52Oh my god, there’s gotta be more… David Jernigan 31:53Kinds, different kinds of phages, how many? Dr. Deb 31:56There’s gotta be millions. David Jernigan 31:57Well… In population, there’s… humongous numbers, numbers probably well beyond the trillions, okay? Hundreds of trillions, quadrillions, maybe, even. But in the gut, a recent peer-reviewed journal article said that there were 32,242 different types of bacteriophages that live naturally in your intestines, your gut. Dr. Deb 32:25Boom. David Jernigan 32:2632,000. Okay, so… If you read any article on phage therapy that’s in peer review, almost every single one in the very first paragraph, they use the same sentence. They go, Phages are ubiquitous in nature. They’re ubiquitous in nature. So my brain, when I find… when all this finally clicked together, and when we clicked together 5 years into my research, I could not get it to work for 5 years. I just kept going. But that sentence really got me going. I was, like, going, you know. If you look at what ubiquitous means, it says if Phages were the size of grains of sand. Like sand on the beach. They would completely cover the earth and be 50 miles deep. How crazy is that? Dr. Deb 33:24Wow. David Jernigan 33:25That’s how many phages are on the planet. There’s so many… they outnumber every species collectively on the planet. So, it’s an impossibility in my mind. I went, huh, it’s an impossibility that… You catching a, a sterile Bacteria, it’s almost an impossibility. Since the beginning of time, phages have been needing to use a reproductive host. And it’s very specific, so every kind of bacteria has its own kind of phage it uses as a reproductive host. Because phages are… and this is a clarification I want to make for people. just like in the old days, we were talking about the 90s, I talked to a veterinarian that had gotten in trouble with the veterinary board in her state. Dr. Deb 34:14Back in the old days. David Jernigan 34:16Because she gave dogs probiotics. And the board thought she was giving the dogs an infection so that she could treat them and make money off of the subsequent infection. Dr. Deb 34:28Oh my god. David Jernigan 34:29Nobody actually had heard of good, friendly bacteria in the veterinary world, I guess she said she had gotten in trouble, and she had to defend herself, that, no, I’m giving friendly, benevolent, beneficial bacteria. Okay, to these animals, and getting good results.So, phages… Are friendly, benevolent, beneficial viruses. That live in your body, but they only will infect a certain type of bacteria. So… What that means is if you have staff.Aureus, you know, Staphylococcus aureus bacteria. That bacteria has its own kind of phage that infects it called a staph aureus phage. E. coli has an E. coli phage. Each type of E. coli has its own phage, so Borrelia burgdurferi has its own Borrelia burgdurferi type of phage, whereas Borrelia miyamotoi alright? Or any of the other Borrelia species, or the Bartonella species, or the… you just keep going, and Moses has its own type of phage that only will infect that type of bacteria. So that’s… You know, when you realize, wow, why are we going to the environment Was my thought. Dr. Deb 35:54Yeah. David Jernigan 34:55Trying to find wild phages and put them into your body, and hopefully they go and do what you want them to do. What if we could trigger the phages themselves that live in your body to, instead of just farming that bacteria that it uses as a host, because what I mean by farming is the phages will only kill 40% of that population of bacteria a day. Dr. Deb 36:20Wow. David Jernigan 36:20And then they send out a signal to all the other phages saying, stop killing! Dr. Deb 36:24It’s like. David Jernigan 36:2560% of the bacteria population left to be breeding stock. It’s kind of like the farmer, the rancher, who… he doesn’t send his whole herd to the butcher. Dr. Deb 36:35Right. David Jernigan 36:36Just to, you know, he keeps his breeding stock. He sends the rest, right? So, the phages will kill 40% of the population every day, just in their reproduction process. Because once there’s so many, as you saw in the video, once the phage lands on top of the bacteria, injects its genetic material into the bacteria, that bacteria genetic engine starts cranking out up to 5,200 phages per bacteria. Dr. Deb 37:06I don’t know who counted all those… David Jernigan 37:08Inside of a bacteria, but some scientists peer-reviewed it and put it out there. that ruptures, and it literally looks like a grenade goes off inside of the bacteria. I wish I’d remembered to bring that video of a phage killing a bacteria, but it just goes, oof. And it’s just a cloud of dust. So, you’re breaking apart a lot of those different toxins and things. So… That’s… That was the impetus to me creating what I did. That and the fact that I looked it up, and I found out that phages will sometimes go… Crazy. I don’t know how to say it. Wiping out 100% of their host. And it could be a trigger, like change in the body’s pH levels, it could be electromagnetically done, you know, like, there’s been documentation of… I think it was, 50 Hz, electricity. Triggering one kind of phage to go… Crazy and annihilate its host population. There’s other ways, but I was, like, going, none of those fit me, you know? It’s not like I’m gonna shock somebody with a… Jumper cable or something to try to get phages to… to do that kind of thing. But the fact that it could be done, they can be triggered, they can switch and suddenly go crazy against their population. But what happens when they kill 100% of their host? The phages themselves die within 4 days. Dr. Deb 38:45Hmm. Because they can’t keep reproducing. David Jernigan 38:47There’s nothing to reproduce them, yeah. Dr. Deb 38:49Yeah. Especially… unless they’re a polyvalent phage, that means a phage that can segue and use. David Jernigan 38:54One or two other kinds of bacteria. To, as a reproductive host. But a lot of phages, if not the majority, are monovalent, which means they have one host that they like to use. And so… Borrelia, so… my study that I ended up doing, and I published the results in 2021, And it’s a small study, but it’s right in there at the high end, believe it or not, of phage research. Most phage research is less than 30 people. In the study. But, we did 26 people.And after one month of doing the phage induction that I invented, which only… Appears to only, induce or stimulate the types of phages that will do the job in your body. I don’t care what kind of phage it is. I don’t care if it’s a Borrelia phage, it may be a polyvalent phage that normally doesn’t use the Borrelia burgdurferi as its number one. Host, but it can. To go and kill that infection. And the fascinating thing is, there was a brand new test that came out at the same time I came out with the idea, literally the same weekend they presented. Dr. Deb 40:1511. David Jernigan 40:15ILADS conference in Boston in 2019. It was called the Felix Borrelia phage Test. So the Felix Borrelia phage test. Because Borrelia are often intracellular, right, they’re buried down in the tissue, they’re not often in the blood that much. And therefore, doing a blood test isn’t really that accurate. But you remember how there’s, like, potentially as many as 5,200 phages of that type erupt from each bacteria when it breaks apart. It’s way easier to detect those phages, because they’re now circulating, those 52, as you saw in the video. 5,200 different phages are now seeking out another Borrelia that they can infect. And so, while they’re out in circulation, that’s easy to find in the bloodstream. So, 77% of the people, so 20 out of 26, were tested after a 2-week period. After only a 4-day round of treatment. Because according to my testing, remember, I can actually test adjunctively to see if I can find any signatures for those kinds of bacteria. And I couldn’t after 4 days, so we discontinued treatment and waited Beyond the 4 days that would allow the phages themselves to die, so we waited about a week and a half.And redid the test. And 77%, so that 20 out of 26 of the people, were completely negative. Dr. Deb 41:50Wow. David Jernigan 41:52Which, you go, well, it’s just a blood test. Well, no, we actually had people that were getting better, like, they’d never gotten better before. We had one woman who was wheelchair-bound, and in two weeks was able to walk, and even ultimately wanted to work for my clinic. I’m just, like, going… Dr. Deb 42:07I didn’t want to write about all that. I wanted to write about the phages. I was like… David Jernigan 42:12article, I probably should have put some of those stories, because, Critics would say, well, you got rid of the infection, maybe, but… Did you fix the Lyme disease? Well, that’s… there’s two factors here that every doctor needs to understand. There’s the infection in chronic illness, there’s the infection, and then there’s the damage that’s been done. Because sometimes I have these people that would come in and say, well, Dr. Jernigan, it didn’t work for me, I’m still in the wheelchair. And I’m like, no, it worked. Repeat lab test over months says it’s gone, it’s gone, it’s gone. It’s like, we would follow, and 88% of the people we followed long-term were still negative, which is amazing to me. Dr. Deb 42:56And then they have to repair the damage. David Jernigan 42:59It’s the damages why you still have your symptoms. And that’s where the doctor has to get busy, right? Dr. Deb 43:06Right David Jernigan 43:06They were told erroneously by their doctor that originally treated them that they’d be well, they’d get out of the wheelchair, if he could actually kill all these infections. Dr. Deb 43:15It’s not true. David Jernigan 43:16Unless it’s caught early. So I love the analogy, and I’ve said it a thousand times.that Lyme disease and chronic infections are much like having termites in the wood of your house. If you find the termites early, then yeah, killing the infection, life goes back to normal, the storm comes and your house doesn’t fall down. But if it’s 20 years later. Killing the termites is still a grand idea. Right. But you have the damage in the wood that needs to be repaired as well. All the systems… when I talk about damage to the wood, I mean, like. All the bioregulatory aspects of the body, how it regulates itself, all the biochemical pathways, the metabolic pathways we all know about, getting the toxins that have been lodged in there for many years, stopping the inflammatory things that have been running crazy. Dealing with all those cytokines that are just running rampant through the body, creating this whole MCAS situation. Which are largely… Dr. Deb 44:21Coming from your body’s own immune cells called macrophages, which are not even… David Jernigan 44:26It’s not… a virus at all, it’s part of the immune system, it’s like a Pac-Man, and research shows that especially in spirochetes. There is no toxin. Now, I wrote 4 books. I think I wrote the very first book on the natural treatment of people with Lyme disease back in the 90s. Why did I write that? Not because I wanted to be famous, it’s a tiny book, actually, the first one was.I was just trying to help people get out of this idea that you will be well when you kill all the bugs. I was saying, it’s… you need to be doing this. If you can’t come to my clinic, at least do this. Try to find somebody that will do this for you. And that ultimately led to a bigger book.as I kept learning more, and I was like, going, well, okay, now at least do this amount of stuff. And you need to make sure your doctor is handling this, this, this, and this. And so, the third book was, like, 500 and something pages long. And then the fourth book was 500 and something pages long, and now they’re all obsolete with the whole phage thing, because this just rewrites everything. Dr. Deb 45:34Yeah. David Jernigan 45:34It’s pretty fascinating. Dr. Deb 45:37Do you think the war on bugs, mentality created more chronic illness than it solved? David Jernigan 45:44Because of the tools that doctors had to use, yes. We’re a minority, we’re still a minority, you and I. Dr. Deb 45:54Yep. Our doctoring… David Jernigan 45:56Methods I never had, and you’d never… maybe you did, but I’d never had the ability to grab a prescription pad and write out a prescription. I had to figure out, how do I get… and this was… and still my guiding thing, is like, how do I identify, number one, everything that can be found that’s gone wrong in the human body. And what do I need to provide that body? Like, the body is the carpenter. That has to do the repair, has to regenerate, has to do everything, has to get… everything fixed right? We can’t fix anything. If you have a paper cut, there isn’t a doctor on the planet that can make that go away. Dr. Deb 46:38Right. David Jernigan 46:39Of their own power, much less chronic illnesses. So, all the treatments are like the screws, saws, hammers, you know the carpenter must be able to use. So a lot of the time, doctors are just throwing an entire Home Depot on top of the carpenter. In the form of, like, bags of supplements, you know, hundreds of supplements, I’ve seen patients walk in my door with two suitcasefuls. And they were taking 70 bottles, 65 to 70 bottles of supplements, and I’d be just like, wow, your carpenter who’s been working for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. He’s exhausted. There’s chaos everywhere, you don’t know where to. Dr. Deb 47:22Starting. David Jernigan 47:22He goes, you want me to do what with all this stuff? Dr. Deb 47:25Yep, I’ve seen the same thing. People… thousands, you know, several thousand dollars a month on supplements, and not any better. But they’re afraid to give up their supplements, too, because they don’t want to go backwards, either, and… there’s got to be a better way on both sides, the conventional side and the alternative side, although you and I don’t say it’s alternative, that’s the way medicine should be, but… David Jernigan 47:48Right. Dr. Deb 47:49We have to have a good balance on both sides. David Jernigan 47:52And I will say, too, in defense of doctors using a lot of supplements, I do use a lot of supplements. Dr. Deb 47:57Yeah, I do too. David Jernigan 47:58but I want to synergize what I’m giving the patient so that the carpenter isn’t overwhelmed and can actually get the job done. Like, everything has to work harmoniously together, so it’s not that… It’s not the number of supplements, and why would you need a lot of supplements? Well, because every system in your body is Messed up. My kind of clientele for 30 years. Our clientele, yours and mine. Dr. Deb 48:25Yeah. David Jernigan 48:26They have been sick, For decades, many of them. Dr. Deb 48:31Yeah. David Jernigan 48:31And if they went into a hospital, they honestly need every department. They need endocrinology, they need their kidney doctor, they need their… They’re a cardiologists, they need a neurologist, they need a rheumatologist. I mean, because none of those doctors are gonna deal with everything. They’re just gonna deal with one piece of the puzzle. And if they did get the benefit of all the different departments they need, yeah, they’d go out with a garbage bag full of stuff, too. Dr. Deb 48:57Hey, wood. David Jernigan 48:58Only, they’re not synergized. They don’t work together. You’re creating this chemistry set of who knows how much poison. And I want to tell your listeners, and I mean, you probably say this to your patients as well. There is a law of pharmacy that I learned eons ago, and it applies to natural medicine, too. Dr. Deb 49:21Yep. David Jernigan 49:22But the law says every drug’s primary side effect Is its primary action. So, if you listen to TV, you can see this on commercials. I love… I love listening to these commercials, because I’m like, wow. let’s… let’s… I don’t want to say I’ve named Brandon. I don’t know if that’s…Inappropriate to name a name brand, but let’s just say you have a pharmaceutical that is for sleep. After they show you this beautiful scene of the person restfully sleeping and everything like that, they tell you the truth. It’s like, this may cause sleepiness… I mean, sleeplessness. Dr. Deb 50:04Yeah. David Jernigan 50:04Found insomnia. Dr. Deb 50:06And headaches, and diarrhea. David Jernigan 50:08All the other things, and if it’s an antidepressant, what does the commercial do after it finishes showing you little bunny foo-foo, jumping through a green, happy people? They tell you, this may create depression, severe depression, and suicidal tendencies, which is the ultimate depression. So, I want everyone to understand you need to figure out what your doctor’s tools are that they’re asking you to take, and they’re wanting you to take it forever, generally in mainstream medicine, right? In the hospitals and everything. They don’t say, hey, your heart has this condition, take this medicine for 3 months, after which time you can get off. Dr. Deb 50:48Yep. David Jernigan 50:49not fixing it, right? So… That, on a timeline, there is a point, if it was truly even fixing anything. That you… it’s done what it should do, and you should get off, even if it’s a natural product. It’s just like. Dr. Deb 51:03Right David Jernigan 51:03It’s done what it should do, and you should get off, but instead. you go through the tree… the correction and out the other side, and that’s where it starts manifesting a lot of the same problems that it had. So, anti-inflammatories, painkillers, imagine the number one side effects are pain inflammation. So, the doctor says, well. If you say, hey, I’m having more pain, what does he do? He ups the dosage. And if he… if that doesn’t work, if you’re still in a lot of pain, which he would be, he changes it to a more powerful thing, right? But it starts the cycle all over again. So when you ask me, it’s like, why are we having so much chronic illness? It’s because of the whole philosophy. is the treatment philosophy of mainstream medicine that despises what you and I do. Because we’re… our philosophy from the start is the biggest thing. It’s like… We’re striving for cure. That dirty four-letter word, cure, we’re not even supposed to use it. And yet, if you look it up in Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, it just means a restoration of health. Remission. Everyone’s like, oh, I’m in remission. I’m like, remission is a drug term. It’s a medical term. Again, look it up in a medical dictionary. It is a pharmaceutical term for a temporary pause Or a reduction of your symptom, but because it’s just… symptom suppression, it will come back. It’s… remission is great, I suppose, in… At the end of, like, where you’ve exhausted everything, because I can’t fix everything, I don’t know about you. Dr. Deb 52:41No, I can’t either, yeah. David Jernigan 52:43you know, on my phone consults, I try to always remind people, as much as I get excited about my technologies gosh, I see so much opportunity to fix you. I always try to go, please understand, I’m gonna tell you what most doctors may not tell you on a phone consultation. I can’t fix everything. Dr. Deb 53:03Yeah. David Jernigan 53:03For all of my tricks, I can’t fix everything. Not tricks, but you know, all my technologies, and all my inventions. Phages, too. They are a tool. You know, antibiotics. I think I wrote a blog one time, it should be on my website somewhere, that says, Antibiotics do not… fix… neurological disease, or… I don’t know, something like that. You know, you’re using the wrong tool. I mean, it does what it does. Dr. Deb 53:32Yeah, you’re using a hammer to do what a screwdriver needs to. David Jernigan 53:35Yeah, you know, it’s like it’s… And yet, you can probably tell her… that you’ve had patients, too, that they go, Dr. Jernigan. My throat was so sore, and as soon as I swallowed that antibiotic. I felt better, and I’m, like, going… How long did it take? Oh, it was immediate! I was like, dude, the gel cap didn’t even have time to dissolve, I mean… Dr. Deb 53:58SIBO. David Jernigan 54:00But, it’s not going to repair the tissues that were all raw. kind of stuff. So, I mean, that ulceration of your throat that’s happening, the inflammation, there’s no anti-inflammatory effect of these things. So, I digress a little bit, but phages, too… I wrote an article that’s on the website, that’s setting healthy expectations for phages, because they want… we can see some amazing things happen, things that in my 30 years, I wish I had all my career to do over again, now having this tool. It’s just that much fun. I… when doctors around the country now are starting to use our inducent formulas, there’s, 13 of them now, formulas. For different broad-spectrum illness presentations. I tell them all the same thing, I was like, you are gonna have so much fun. Dr. Deb 54:53That’s exciting. Women. David Jernigan 54:54Winning is fun, you know? I was like. You know, mainstream medicine may never accept this, I don’t know. I feel a real huge burden, though, to do my best to follow a, very scientific methodology. I’ve published as much as I can publish at this time by myself. I never took money from the… the sources that are out there, because what do they do? They always come… money comes with strings. Dr. Deb 55:22Yes, it does. David Jernigan 55:23I don’t trust… I don’t trust… I mean, if you listen to the, roundtable that Our Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Dr. Deb 55:35Yeah. David Jernigan 55:36On Lyme disease last week the first couple of speakers were, like, pretty legit. I mean, all of them were legit, but I mean, they were, like, senators and congressmen or something like that, I think. And then you have… RFK Jr. himself, who’s legit. Yeah they were fessing up to the fact that, yes, they were suppressing anything to do with Lyme. Dr. Deb 56:00Yeah. David Jernigan 56:00Our… our highest levels of, marbled halls and pillars and… of medicine were doing everything the way I thought they were. They were suppressing me. I was like, how can you ignore the best formulas ever, and still, I think Borreligen, and now, induced native phage therapy are still, I believe, I don’t… I’ve never seen it, I could be wrong. The only natural things that have been documented in a medical methodology. Dr. Deb 56:34Hmm in the natural realm. I mean, all the herbs that we talk about. David Jernigan 56:39You know, there’s one that was really famous for a while, and it said, we gave… so many patients. This product, and other nutritional supplements. And at the end, X number of them were… dramatically better. That’s not research. Dr. Deb 56:57Right. That’s observation. David Jernigan 56:59The trick there was we gave this one thing, and then we gave high-dose proteolytic enzymes, we gave high dose this, we gave high dose that, but at the end of the study, we’re going to point back at the thing we’re trying to sell you as being what did it. Dr. Deb 57:12Which is what we do in all research, pretty much. David Jernigan 57:15Well… Dr. Deb 57:16tried to… David Jernigan 57:17Good guys, I hope. Dr. Deb 57:18Do the way we want, right? In… in conventional… David Jernigan 57:22Yeah. Dr. Deb 57:22Fantastic David Jernigan 57:23Very often, yeah, in conventional medicine, definitely. Yeah. And, it’s kind of scary, isn’t it, how many pharmaceuticals are slamming us with, because they’re… Dr. Deb 57:33Okay. David Jernigan 57:34There’s a new one on TV every day, and there’s. Dr. Deb 57:36Every day, yes. David Jernigan 57:37It’s like, who comes up with these names? They’re just horrible. Dr. Deb 57:40Yeah, you can’t pronounce them. David Jernigan 57:41I want to be a marketing company and come up with some Zimbabwehika, or something that actually they go with, and I’m like, I just made a million bucks coming up with it. I’ll be glad when that’s not on the TV anymore, which… Oh, me too. Me too. Dr. Deb 57:54Dr. Jaredgen, this was really wonderful. What do you want to leave our listeners with? David Jernigan 58:00Well, you know, everyone’s calling for a new treatment. Dr. Deb 58:05Yeah. You bet. David Jernigan 58:08I have done everything I can do to get it out there, scientifically, in peer review, so that if you want to look up my name. Dr. Deb 58:16I published an open access journal so that you didn’t have to buy the articles. Like, PubMed, you have to be a member. If you want to look at a lot of the research, you have to buy the articles. David Jernigan 58:26I’ve done everything open access so that people had access to the information. I honestly created induced native phage therapy to fix my own wife. I mean, I… I was… I used to think I could actually fix almost anything. Gave me enough time. And, I could not fix her. You know, the first 10 years, she was bedridden. Dr. Deb 58:49Wow. David Jernigan 58:50People go, oh, it’s easy for you, Dr. Jernigan, you’re a doctor. Dr. Deb 58:54Oh yeah, right? Yeah. David Jernigan 58:56Oh my gosh, how many tears have been shed, and how much heartache, and how much of this and that. I mean, 90% of our marriage, she was in, bed, just missing Christmas. All the horror stories you hear in the Lime world, that was her, and I could not get her completely well. And, she’s a very discerning woman. I say that in all my podcasts, because it’s. Dr. Deb 59:19Just… David Jernigan 59:16Amazing. It’s like, every husband, I think, should want a wife that’s… Always, right? Not that you surrender your own opinion, but it’s like, it’s… it was literally, I don’t know what, 6 months before the ILADS conference in Boston in 2029… in 2019 that She said, are you going to the ILADS conference this year? And I’m like, I’ve been going for, like, 15, 20 years, however long it’s been going on, and I was like, I’m not gonna go to this one. And, 3 days before the conference, she says, I think you should go. And I go, okay. Like I say, she’s generally right. And that… I bought a Scientific American magazine at the newsstand in the Nashville airport. Started reading a story about phages in that that copped that edition of the Scientific American, and It was a good article, but it wasn’t super meaty, you know. very deep on those, but I just was stimulated. Something about being at elevation. Dr. Deb 1:00:02Yeah. Your own mountains, I don’t know, I get all inspired. David Jernigan 1:00:25And I wrote in the margins and highlighted this and that until it was, like, ultimately, I spent the entire conference hammering this out. And it worked. And it’s been working, it’s just amazing. It’s… We’re over 200 different infections that we’ve… we’ve clinically or laboratory-wise documented. There’s a new test for my GenX called the CEPCR Lyme Panel. like, culture. 64 different types of infections, and I believe right now the latest count is something like 10 for 10 were completely negative. Dr. Deb 1:01:03Wow. David Jernigan 1:01:03These chronically infected people. And so, that hadn’t been published anywhere. So, in my published article, remember I was talking about that 20 out of the 26 were tested as negative for the infection? That doesn’t mean they’re cured, okay? Remember, they’re chronically damaged. That’s how we need to look at it. Dr. Deb 1:01:23funny David Jernigan 1:01:24damaged. You’re not just chronically infected. And, but with 30-day treatment.24 out of the 26 were tested as negative. Dr. Deb Muth 1:01:34That’s amazing. David Jernigan 1:01:35So 92% of the people were negative.Okay? The chances of that happening, when you run it through statistical analysis.The chances… when you compare the results to the sensitivity percentages, you know, the 100% specificity and 92% sensitivity of the…Of the lab testIt’s a 4.5 nonillion to 1 chance that it was a fluke. Isn’t that amazing? Now, nearly… I’m not even sure how many zeros that is, but it’s a lot. Dr. Deb Muth 1:02:08That’s is awesome. David Jernigan 1:02:09Like, if I just said, well, it’s a one in a million chance it was a fluke.Okay.So, lab tests don’t lie. You’re not done, necessarily, just because you got rid of the infections. Now that formula for Lyme has grown to be 90-plusmicrobes targeted in the one formula. So, we figured out we can actually target individually, but collectively, almost like an antibiotic that’s laser-guided to only go after the bad guys that we targeted.So, all the Borrelia types are targeted, all the Babesias, for,the Bartonellas, the anaplasmosis, you name it, mycoplasma types are all targeted in that one formula, because I said.Took my collective 30 years of experience and 15,000 patients.that I would typically see as co-infections and put them into that one formula, so…When we get these tests coming back that are testing for 64, it’s because of that.So, there’s a lot of coolnesses that I could actually keep going and going. Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:15That’s exciting. David Jernigan 1:03:15I love this topic, but I thank you for letting me come on. Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:18Thank you for joining us. How can people find you? David Jernigan 1:03:22Two ways. There’s the Phagen Corp company that is now manufacturing my formulas.That is P-H-A-G-E-N-C-O-R-P dot com. Practitioners can go there, and there’s a practitioner side of the website that’s very beefy with science, and… and all the formulas that were used, what’s inside of all the formulas, meaning what microbes are targeted by each one. Like, there’s a GI formula, there’s a UTI formula, there’s a SIRS formula, there’s a Lyme formula, there’s a central nervous system type infection formula, there’s… And we can keep going, you know, SIBO, SIFO formula, mold formula… I mean, we’ve discovered so many things that I could just keep going for hours, and… Dr. Deb Muth 1:04:05Yeah. David Jernigan 1:04:06About the discoveries, from where it started in its humble beginnings, To now, so… There’s another way, if you wanted to see our clinic website, is Biologics, with an X, so B-I-O-L-O-G-I-X, Center, C-E-N-T-E-R dot com. And, if somebody thinks they want to be a patient and experience this at our clinic, typically we don’t take just Easy stuff. All we see is chronic.Chronic cases from all over the world. Something like 96% of our patients come from other states and countries. And typically, I’ve been close to 90% for my whole career.About 30-something percent come from other countries in that, so… we’ve gotten really good and learned a lot in having to deal with what nobody else knows what to do with. But if you do want to do that, you can contact us. And, if you… If you don’t get the answers from my patient care staff, then I do free consultations. With the people that are thinking about, whether we can help them or not. Dr. Deb Muth 1:05:13Well, that’s excellent. For those of you who are driving or don’t have any way of writing things down, don’t worry about it, we’ve got you. We will have all of his contact information in our show notes, so you will be able to reach out to him. Thank you again for joining me. This has been an amazing conversation. David Jernigan 1:05:30Thank you, I appreciate you having me on. It was a lot of fun. The post Episode 252 – Induced Native Phage Therapy (INPT) & advanced natural therapies first appeared on Let's Talk Wellness Now.

Dr. Eboni Cornish, Associate Medical Director at Amen Clinics and President-Elect of ILADS, breaks down why Lyme disease is just the beginning of the story. As someone who specializes in neuroinflammation caused by chronic infections, she explains how tick-borne diseases, parasites, and mold toxicity don't work alone. They create an inflammatory cascade that crosses the blood-brain barrier, triggers autoimmune responses, and makes recovery from conditions like breast implant illness exponentially harder. From her work analyzing brain scans showing infection-driven inflammation to her clinical insights on why gut stability determines immune stability, Dr. Cornish provides a masterclass in understanding complex chronic illness. You'll learn why standard testing misses most infections, how genetics determine your susceptibility to toxin accumulation, and why the real question isn't IF you have parasites but how much they're contributing to your inflammatory burden. Dr. Eboni Cornish on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.ebonicornish/ Amen Clinics: https://www.amenclinics.com/ Amen Clinics on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amen_clinics/?hl=en ILADS: https://www.ilads.org/ IN THIS EPISODE WE'LL: Discover why Lyme disease is actually three infections (Borrelia, Bartonella, and Babesiosis) that create different symptoms and require clinical diagnosis beyond lab testing. Uncover the connection between HLA genetics and your ability to clear mold toxins, tick-borne diseases, and why some family members get devastatingly sick while others stay healthy in the same environment. Break through the parasite denial that keeps you sick, including why testing is unreliable and how parasites create biofilms with other pathogens to overwhelm your immune system. Transform your understanding of the gut-brain axis and why stabilizing your microbiome isn't optional if you're dealing with neuropsychiatric symptoms, chronic inflammation, or breast implant illness. Learn practical nutrition strategies that meet patients where they are, from working with picky eaters to creating sustainable anti-inflammatory habits without the stress of restriction-based diets. CHECK OUT THESE EPISODES: Episode 116: Is Mold Silently Wrecking Your Health? How to Detox from Mold with Dave Asprey: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-116-is-mold-silently-wrecking-your-health-how/id1678143554?i=1000708555274 Episode 137: Environmental Toxins Are Messing With Your Body—Here's How to Fight Back with Dr. Aly Cohen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-137-environmental-toxins-are-messing-with-your/id1678143554?i=1000730936483   Links and Resources Let's Connect Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/breast-implant-illness/id1678143554 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1SPDripbluZKYsC0rwrBdb?si=23ea2cd9f6734667 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drrobertwhitfield?_t=8oQyjO25X5i&_r=1 IG: https://www.instagram.com/breastimplantillnessexpert/ FB: https://www.facebook.com/DrRobertWhitfield Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-robert-whitfield-md-50775b10/ X: https://x.com/rob_whitfieldmd Read this article - https://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/surgery/breast-reconstruction/types/implant-reconstruction/illness/breast-implant-illness Shop: https://drrobssolutions.com SHARP: https://www.harp.health NVISN Labs - https://nvisnlabs.com/ Get access to Dr. Rob's Favorite Products below: Danger Coffee - Use our link for mold free coffee - https://dangercoffee.com/pages/mold-free-coffee?ref=ztvhyjg JASPR Air Purifier - Use code DRROB for the Jaspr Air Purifier - https://jaspr.co/ Echo Water - Get high quality water with our code DRROB10 - https://echowater.com/ BallancerPro - Use code DRROBVIP for the world's leader in lymphatic drainage technology - https://ballancerpro.com

In this insightful episode, Dr. Bruce Hoffman discusses the intricacies of modern medicine, the importance of understanding the human body's response to environmental stressors, and the future of healthcare. Dr. Hoffman shares his journey and the development of his New Medical Curriculum, which emphasizes a holistic approach to health and healing.

In this episode, we delve into the latest clinical insights from Dr. Michael Feld, who distills key takeaways from the ILADS conference on the complex interplay of infections and toxins underlying chronic Lyme disease, mold toxicity, and even cancer. Dr. Feld explains why conventional protocols often fall short in the face of immune dysregulation and systemic inflammation, then outlines a terrain-based roadmap for sustainable healing. The conversation unpacks the role of mold and mycotoxins, the importance of targeted testing and proper detox sequencing, and the therapeutic potential of photodynamic therapy and ozone therapy. Listeners will also learn practical, step-by-step strategies for using binders, antifungals, and immune-supportive therapies effectively, alongside a nuanced discussion of how chronic infections can influence cancer risk and outcomes. A focused, evidence-informed guide for both patients and practitioners.    TILT Self Assessment: Assessment PDF   The Karlfeldt Center offers the most cutting edge and comprehensive Lyme therapies. To schedule a Free 15-Minute Discovery Call with a Lyme Literate Naturopathic Doctor at The Karlfeldt Center, call 208-338-8902 or reach us at info@TheKarlfeldtCenter.com. Check out my Ebook: Breaking Free From Lyme: A Comprehensive Guide to Healing and Recovery You can buy it for $24.99 or use the code LYMEPODCAST for a 100% off discount! _______________________________The Karlfeldt Center offers the most cutting-edge and comprehensive Lyme therapies. To schedule a Free 15-Minute Discovery Call with a Lyme Literate Naturopathic Doctor at The Karlfeldt Center, call 208-338-8902 or email info@TheKarlfeldtCenter.comCheck out Dr. K's Ebook: Breaking Free From Lyme: A Comprehensive Guide to Healing and Recovery here: https://store.thekarlfeldtcenter.com/products/breaking-free-from-lymeUse the code LYMEPODCAST for a 100% off discount!

Welcome to Episode 273 of Autism Parenting Secrets.This week's episode comes from the MAPS Fall Conference, where I sat down with Dr. Tom Moorcroft.Dr. Tom treats some of the sickest, most sensitive patients—but this conversation wasn't about lab results or protocols. It was about presence, modeling, and the love that fuels real healing.The truth is simple but often overlooked: your child is always watching, always absorbing. They don't just hear your words—they feel your energy.If you want them to be resilient and open to growth, you have to show them how. The secret this week is…Fill YOUR Cup FirstYou'll Discover:How Filling Your Own Tank First Makes You a Stronger Parent (8:10)Why Modeling Behavior Is More Powerful Than Demanding It (11:29)The Surprising Truth: Your Child Is Always Listening (13:28)How Turning Supplements & Food Changes Into Acts of Love Shifts Everything (17:35)The Unforgettable “I See You In There” Moment That Proves Presence Heals (21:18)Why Acceptance Opens the Door to Action and Growth (37:45)How Course Correction—Not Perfection—Creates Lasting Change (46:28)About Our Guest:Dr. Tom Moorcroft, DO, is one of the most respected voices in complex chronic illness recovery and America's Premier Lyme Disease Educator. He is the founder of the Lyme Disease Practitioner Certification & Mentorship Program and host of The Lyme Insider podcast, where he trains clinicians to master the art and science of treating Lyme disease, tick-borne co-infections, mold illness, and infection-induced autoimmune conditions like PANS/PANDAS.With over 15 years of frontline experience, Dr. Tom blends cutting-edge science with practical, results-driven strategies to solve medical mysteries others often miss. He is a Fellow of the Medical Academy of Pediatric & Special Needs (FMAPS), an ILADS Fellow, and a former acting President, Board Member, and Committee Chair of ILADS.Trusted by patients and practitioners alike—from highly sensitive individuals to children with neuroinflammatory challenges—Dr. Tom's mission is clear: raise the standard of care and empower more healers to deliver lasting results. tommoorcroft.comLearn more:Medical Practice → OriginsOfHealth.comPractitioner Training → LymeTraining.orgYouTube → @TomMoorcroftInstagram → @drtommoorcroftLinkedIn → @tommoorcroftdoFacebook → @OriginsOfHealthThe Lyme Insider PodcastAdditional Resources:To learn more about personalized 1:1 support, go to www.elevatehowyounavigate.comTake The Quiz: What's YOUR Top Autism Parenting Blindspot?If you enjoyed this episode, share it with your friends.

Have you had symptoms return after stopping Lyme treatment? Share your story below. Your experience may help someone else navigating the same difficult decision.SummaryOne of the most frequent questions in Lyme care is: “If I feel better, should I stop treatment?” The answer is complicated. While no one wants to stay on antibiotics longer than necessary, stopping too soon often leads to relapse.Lyme disease is not a typical infection. Borrelia burgdorferi can persist by hiding in tissues, forming biofilms, and shifting into alternate forms. When treatment ends prematurely, surviving bacteria may re-emerge, and symptoms such as brain fog, joint pain, fatigue, or neuropathy often return. Co-infections like Babesia or Bartonella add another layer, sometimes becoming more obvious once Lyme therapy is withdrawn.Guidelines remain divided. IDSA discourages extended therapy, while ILADS—where I helped author the 2004 and 2014 guidelines—supports individualized, carefully monitored treatment when patients remain ill. The key is shared decision-making, weighing risks and benefits, and avoiding a one-size-fits-all approach.The goal is not indefinite treatment, but the minimum effective therapy that allows patients to heal and reclaim their lives. The takeaway is simple: stopping Lyme treatment too soon often means starting over. Recovery is about staying better tomorrow—not just feeling better today.

Treating Lyme disease in elderly patients is one of the most complex challenges I see in my practice.Unlike younger adults, older patients often live with multiple health conditions. They may be taking many medications, which raises the risk of drug interactions. Kidney or liver function may be reduced, making it harder to clear antibiotics. And neurological symptoms from Lyme can increase the risk of falls, which can have devastating consequences in this age group.Standard guidelines don't always address these realities. What works well for a younger patient may not be safe—or effective—for someone in their eighties. That's why Lyme disease treatment in elderly patients requires individualized care.Every decision has to balance infection control with age-related vulnerabilities. Antibiotics may be necessary, but they can also increase risks like dehydration, C. difficile infection, or secondary complications. Medications for neuropathy may relieve pain but could also cause sedation and falls. And we can't overlook the role of co-infections like Babesia or Bartonella, which make recovery even more complicated.As an ILADS guideline author, I've emphasized the importance of clinical judgment and patient-centered care. For elderly patients, that means more frequent monitoring, lower starting doses, and close coordination with family and caregivers. The goal isn't just to fight infection—it's to preserve function, independence, and quality of life.So here's the bottom line: elderly Lyme disease patients need more than standard protocols. They need individualized care that takes into account the whole person, not just the infection.”

Do you or someone you love struggle with unexplained fatigue, brain fog, pain, or a""mystery illness"" that never seems to have clear answers? In this episode of The Better Life with Dr. Pinkston, Dr Amy Offutt, president of ILADS, dive deep into chronic complex illness—a condition that often hides behind vague symptoms yet impacts every aspect of daily life. ILADS.org See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Has your family faced challenges with Lyme disease treatment for kids? Share your story in the comments—because until children are included in research, parents' voices are one of the most powerful tools we have. ..No NIH-funded Lyme treatment trials have included children under 18. Yet kids often present differently than adults—showing fatigue, mood or school changes, rather than joint pain. Their developing immune and nervous systems also process infection and medication uniquely.Because guidelines rely on adult data, children risk being dismissed or undertreated. Some relapse if therapy ends too soon, while others improve only when co-infections are addressed.Bottom line: pediatric Lyme requires individualized, flexible care until research finally includes children...#LymeDisease #LymeTreatment #PediatricLyme #LymeAwareness #ChildHealth #LymeWarrior #ChronicLyme #InvisibleIllness #ParentVoices

In this podcast, we talk with Dr. Sarah Keating. As an anatomic pathologist for more than 35 years, Sarah worked on staff at a number of hospitals in Ontario as well as at Ontario Forensic Pathology Services. She is recently retired but is passionate about learning as much as possible about tick borne diseases in order to help improve the access to care for suffering patients. She maintains her affiliation with the University of Toronto as an Associate Professor Emeritus in the Department of Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology. Sarah has been a member of the CanLyme board since 2022 and she is also an active member of ILADS – the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society.Read morewww.lookingatlyme.cacanlyme.com/sarah-keating/

In this episode, Dr. Eboni Cornish, Associate Medical Director at Amen Clinic and Treasurer of ILADS, provides an in-depth discussion on the intersection of brain health, Lyme disease, and functional medicine. Explaining the tools and methodologies used at Amen Clinic, such as SPECT scans for brain imaging, Dr. Cornish illustrates how they diagnose neuroinflammatory conditions. She also delves into the importance of holistic approaches, including immune modulation, gut health, hormonal balancing, and lifestyle changes, to treat chronic illnesses. Dr. Cornish emphasizes the interconnectivity of the body's systems and the necessity of a multi-faceted approach to healing. Additionally, she offers insights into the complexities of treatment, the impacts of neuroinflammation, and provides guidance for patients seeking answers and support. The Karlfeldt Center offers the most cutting edge and comprehensive Lyme therapies. To schedule a Free 15-Minute Discovery Call with a Lyme Literate Naturopathic Doctor at The Karlfeldt Center, call 208-338-8902 or reach us at info@TheKarlfeldtCenter.com. Check out my Ebook: Breaking Free From Lyme: A Comprehensive Guide to Healing and Recovery You can buy it for $24.99 or use the code LYMEPODCAST for a 100% off discount! _______________________________The Karlfeldt Center offers the most cutting-edge and comprehensive Lyme therapies. To schedule a Free 15-Minute Discovery Call with a Lyme Literate Naturopathic Doctor at The Karlfeldt Center, call 208-338-8902 or email info@TheKarlfeldtCenter.comCheck out Dr. K's Ebook: Breaking Free From Lyme: A Comprehensive Guide to Healing and Recovery here: https://store.thekarlfeldtcenter.com/products/breaking-free-from-lymeUse the code LYMEPODCAST for a 100% off discount!

Can you really heal from mold at home? Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, joins Michael Rubino to share her safe, effective, and easy-to-follow Mold Eradication Protocol that has already helped thousands recover from mold illness.Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, founder of Boulder Holistic Functional Medicine and a Board-Certified leader in integrative medicine, joins Michael Rubino on Never Been Sicker to share her safe, effective, and proven Mold Eradication Protocol.With over 24 years of clinical experience—and more than 12 focused exclusively on mold detox—Dr. Fox has treated thousands of patients. She is a Founding Diplomat of the International Society of Environmentally Acquired Illness (ISEAI), serves on the Medical Advisory Panel for the Change the Air Foundation, and is a proud member of ILADS and AAEM.

Does cider honey eradicate cadmium in the body?  Is there any truth to this?Can Mitopure be consumed with dairy?  Does dairy in any way interfere with its absorption?I've read and heard that supplements are worthless—can even shorten lifespans.  Is this true?Should I be concerned about the xylitol in my toothpaste since I read it can increase blood clots and stroke risk?How much omega-3 do you recommend for multiple sclerosis?Is there any new protocol or treatment for Lyme disease?

In this powerful episode of the TIck Boot Camp Podcast, Dr. Jaquel Patterson, nationally recognized naturopathic physician and medical director of Fairfield Family Health, joins Matt Sabatello to explore the many layers of Lyme disease recovery – from hidden mold exposure to hormone balance and mental health support. Mold & Lyme Disease – Why mold toxicity can block Lyme recovery and how Dr. Patterson stages treatment so patients don't get overwhelmed. Hormone Health – The vital role hormones play in energy, mood, joint health, and the ability to fight chronic infections. Mental Health & Lyme – How inflammation impacts the brain, leading to panic attacks, anxiety, depression, and brain fog — and how those symptoms can reverse with healing. Low Dose Immunotherapy (LDI) – What it is, how it retrains the immune system to stop overreacting, and why it's helping Lyme patients stabilize. Inflammation & Flares – Practical tools like turmeric, hydration, and electrolytes to calm Herxheimer reactions and ease painful flare days. Environmental Toxins – How pesticides, polluted air, and contaminated water add to the burden — and realistic steps to reduce exposure.

Agenda: 1.     What is Lyme Disease? What are the co-infections? 2.     What is special or unique about these infections' vs any other infection, like the common cold? 3.     Talk to us about the testing for these organisms. Why is it so confusing? Is there actually accurate testing?a.     Borrelia: FISH for all (but not available for all) but for: borrelia, borrelia genus for cousins, TBRF borrelia myomoti, hermensi, found in other regionsb.     Babesi: FISH with all the strains or just otocolic.     Bartonella henselae: FISH. At least 46-48 species, 13 can infect humans, only bits of testing. d.     T-Lab for FISH. Igenex also does some FISH testing. e.     To fill other holes: Vibrant TBP, Galaxy specific for bartonella4.     Talk to us about treatment. Let's start with antibiotics & then move outwards- what's the approach here with antibiotics? a.     Are antibiotics always needed? b.     Do anti-viral for anti-fungal have a role here? c.     What about ancillary treatments like disulfiram? Are there others like this? d.     What about mitochondrial supports, detox, and binders? e.     What about nutritional supports? f.      What about diet, lifestyle & the mind?  5.     Where does chronic Lyme sit in the pantheon of other chronic infections like Long-COVID & EBV & Strep with PANS/ PANDAS? How much does treatment overlap for these diseases?  6.     How much do environment (personal microbiome, community, environmental toxicity) & genetics contribute to the risk for developing or persisting chronic infections? How do you best like to assess or treat this?  7.     Let's talk politics for a moment: Why won't many conventional clinicians recognize or treat chronic Lyme?  8.     What's up & coming in the Lyme world research & education-wise? Tell us about ILADS!  9.     Where can folks find you & more about your practice?  https://drtaniadempsey.com/Bio: Dr. Tania Dempsey, MD, ABIHM is a world-renowned expert in complex, multisystem diseases. As founder of the AIM Center of Personalized Medicine, in Purchase, NY, Dr. Dempsey uses functional and integrative medicine to get to the root cause(s) of illness and to help find the path to optimum health. Her extensive knowledge and experience with Mast Cell Activation Syndrome, Mold, and Lyme and other Vector-Borne Diseases, has propelled her to the forefront of the medical community as a recognized and trusted speaker, researcher, advocate, and physician. Dr. Dempsey is Board-Certified in Internal Medicine and Integrative and Holistic Medicine. She received her MD degree from The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and her BS degree from Cornell University. She completed her Internal Medicine Residency at NYU Medical Center. She was recently elected to the Board of Directors of ILADS (International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society). She is also a member of the U.S. ME/CFS Clinician Coalition, the American Academy of Ozonotherapy, and ISSWSH (International Society for the Study of Women's Sexual Health). She is an accomplished international speaker, writer and thought leader and has 8 peer-reviewed articles in the medical literature. Her latest endeavor is cohosting the new podcast, Mast Cell Matters. At the heart of Dr. Dempsey's work is a commitment to patients who've long gone unheard.

Dr. Joseph J. Burrascano Jr., a pioneer in the field of Lyme, began his practice in East Hampton, NY, in 1981, where he identified and detailed the clinical aspects of Lyme in a high-prevalence area. Renowned for his groundbreaking diagnostic and treatment guidelines since 1984, he has advised the CDC, NIH, and U.S. Senate, authored extensive publications, and is a founding member of ILADS, continuing to educate globally.

In this powerful, long-form interview, Kristina Bauer returns to the Tick Boot Camp Podcast to share her in-depth story of surviving decades of misdiagnosed Lyme disease — from childhood illness and misdiagnoses to motherhood, advocacy, and remission. Diagnosed at age 40 after 32 years of medical dismissal, Kristina discusses her experience with congenital Lyme disease in her four children, postpartum Lyme flares, and her commitment to raising awareness through the Texas Lyme Alliance, Center for Lyme Action, and International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Ambassadorship. Her testimony covers essential ground: pediatric Lyme, maternal Lyme, psychiatric symptoms like Lyme rage, postpartum depression misdiagnosis, sexual transmission, and the need for insurance and diagnostic reform. This episode is a masterclass in Lyme disease education and empowerment, especially for women, mothers, and families navigating complex Lyme journeys. Key Topics Discussed Early Lyme Exposure: Tick bites at age 8 in Illinois and decades of misdiagnosis (juvenile arthritis, Crohn's, ulcers) Chronic Symptoms: Sinus infections, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), fibromyalgia, neurological and psychiatric symptoms Postpartum Lyme Flares: Crushing fatigue, misdiagnosed postpartum depression, and suicidal ideation risk Congenital Lyme Disease: How all four of her children were born with Lyme and are now in remission Mental Health Awareness: Lyme rage, mood swings, panic attacks, and the importance of therapy Tick-Borne Disease Advocacy: Legislative work in Texas, ILADS, educating OB-GYNs, and pushing for proper diagnostic protocols Medical System Failures: Inadequate Lyme testing, gaslighting, high insurance costs for chronic illness Lyme & Pregnancy Research Study: An open call for pregnant individuals diagnosed with Lyme disease during their current pregnancy, OR with post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome (PTLDS) in the past 5 years. Learn More / Apply Kristina's Healing Protocols IV and Oral Antibiotics (33 pills/day for 4 years) Ozone Sauna Therapy Dual Infrared Sauna IV Glutathione and Vitamin C Autologous Stem Cell Therapy Advocacy Calls to Action Get tested with qualified Lyme-literate doctors (LLMDs) Pre-conception testing for both partners Consider cord blood testing for newborns (e.g., IGeneX) Push back against “one-dose doxycycline” treatment myths Advocate for maternal and congenital Lyme research funding Check out Kristina's Integrative Nutrition Health Coaching Memorable Quotes “Infection turned into action is the mindset I pass forward.” “A mom with Lyme can't be left alone with crushing fatigue and a newborn — it's not just postpartum, it's pathology.” “Doxy is not a one-stop shop. One tick bite can carry 19 pathogens with 100 strains.”

Description: In this special live episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, host Richard Johannesen sits down with Mariel Ramirez, a digital product designer from Mexico and a Lyme disease patient. Mariel shares her personal journey with Lyme, including the challenges of getting diagnosed in a country with low Lyme awareness. Leveraging her experience in the tech industry, Mariel is working on an innovative AI-powered app designed to help Lyme patients track symptoms and treatments. The app aims to crowdsource data to uncover patterns that could provide valuable insights for both patients and medical professionals. Key Takeaways: Mariel's personal Lyme journey and the struggles of getting diagnosed in Mexico The lack of Lyme disease awareness and resources in Mexico How Mariel's background in AI and tech is shaping her vision for a Lyme disease tracking app The app's potential to collect and analyze patient-reported data to benefit the Lyme community Resources & Links:

Key Takeaways: Acknowledging Lyme Disease Pioneers Dr. Green honors three late Lyme disease pioneers: Nick Harris, Charles Ray Jones, and Dave Martz, recognizing their invaluable contributions to Lyme diagnosis and treatment. Challenges in Lyme Disease Diagnosis and Treatment Many Lyme patients are dismissed by the medical system, often told their symptoms are psychological. Dr. Green emphasizes the need for doctors to consider the full health picture rather than dismissing complex symptoms. The Role of Emotional and Psychological Symptoms Discussion on how Lyme disease affects the brain and can manifest as psychiatric conditions. The importance of changing medical language to validate patients rather than dismiss them. Misconceptions About Lyme Disease Prevalence Lyme disease is not confined to the East Coast—it exists nationwide, including in California. Encouraging Developments in Lyme Disease Research Advances in Lyme disease research from experts like Dr. Zhang (Johns Hopkins) and Dr. Monica Embers (Tulane). Progress in testing methods and increasing recognition of Lyme disease as a public health issue. The Importance of Integrative Medicine and Biofilms Dr. Green discusses the role of integrative medicine and biofilms in Lyme disease treatment. Conclusion: Dr. Green remains optimistic about the future of Lyme disease research and treatment. She emphasizes continued collaboration, education, and patient advocacy. This interview offers valuable insights for patients and healthcare providers alike. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Christine Green Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Dr. Thatcher shares his personal experiences with ticks as a child on Long Island, including his father burning ticks off his head with a match. He discusses his own health struggles with Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses, which sparked his passion for Lyme-literate medicine. Dr. Thatcher describes his medical training and the pivotal moment when he discovered the prevalence of Borrelia in New Jersey ticks, shaping his career path. He talks about his transition to Wisconsin to become the medical director of the Aspirus Tick-Borne Disease Center and the unique tick-borne disease challenges in the North Woods region. Dr. Thatcher emphasizes the importance of local awareness, education, and following ILADS guidelines for effective treatment. Podcast Highlights: Childhood experiences with ticks and tick-borne illnesses Personal health journey and discovery of Lyme-literate medicine Insights from medical training and complex patient cases Transition to Wisconsin and leadership at the Tick-Borne Disease Center Challenges and opportunities in the North Woods region Commitment to community education and ILADS guidelines Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Thatcher at ThatchMed.com Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Courtney shares her 30-year journey with Lyme disease, including misdiagnoses and the long struggle to find effective treatment. How her personal health challenges inspired her to become a healthcare provider specializing in Lyme and chronic illness. The impact of ozone therapy (EBOO) on a severely ill Lyme patient and how it motivated her to expand her knowledge in Lyme treatment. The value of attending the ILADS conference as a new member—connecting with the Lyme community and deepening her clinical expertise. Courtney's vision for growing her Mojo Med practice to support more Lyme patients while balancing her role as a solo provider. Get Your Mojo Back at Mojo Med! Mojo Med offers cutting-edge regenerative therapies, including: Joint regeneration services Bio-identical hormone therapy Ozone & EBOO therapy Nutrient IVs & vitamin booster injections Medical-grade supplements Medical weight loss & thyroid management Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Courtney and Mojo Med: Mojo Med Facebook Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Introduction: The Tick Boot Camp podcast team attended the 25th Annual ILADS Scientific Conference in San Antonio, Texas, conducting exclusive interviews. This year's theme, "Redefining Lyme Disease: The Fusion of Science and Practice," focused on bridging the gap between cutting-edge research and real-world clinical applications. Host Richard Johannesen sat down with ILADS President, Sarah Quillen, to discuss ILADS' impact, conference highlights, and the future of Lyme disease education. Key Takeaways: Expanding ILADS' Reach: ILADS hosted the conference in Texas to support the growing patient and practitioner community in the central United States. Global Perspectives: Researchers and clinicians from Belgium, France, Georgia, Canada, Australia, and Russia shared insights, emphasizing Lyme disease as a global health challenge. Fostering Connections: The in-person format created unique networking opportunities, leading to new clinical partnerships and collaborations. Scholarship Support: Financial assistance remains crucial to help young and emerging practitioners attend ILADS conferences and access critical training. Advancing ILADS' Mission: Donations to the ILADS Education Foundation, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, fund vital research, education, and scholarships to expand Lyme disease knowledge and care. Resources & Links:

Renowned expert in environmental medicine, mold, and mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), Dr. Kelly McCann, joins Tick Boot Camp live from the ILADS Conference to discuss the growing problem of environmental toxicant exposures and their role in chronic illnesses like Lyme disease. She also sheds light on the impact of mold exposure, challenges in diagnosing and treating MCAS, and practical strategies for improving health. This conversation is packed with valuable insights for anyone affected by chronic illness. Key Takeaways: Toxicant Overload: Individuals are exposed to up to 85,000 chemicals in the environment, which can disrupt immune function and contribute to chronic disease. Total Load Concept: Many people struggle with illness due to a limited detoxification capacity, making them more vulnerable to environmental exposures. Mold and Lyme Disease: Poorly constructed buildings often harbor mold, which can worsen chronic infections like Lyme and contribute to severe health issues. Understanding MCAS: Mast cell activation syndrome presents with varied and individualized symptoms, making diagnosis and treatment complex. Personal Experience: Dr. McCann shares her journey of developing chronic illness after exposure to a mold-contaminated clinic, emphasizing the need to address environmental and infectious triggers together. Healing Strategies: Practical steps to reduce toxicant exposure, improve detox pathways, and manage immune dysfunction. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Kelly McCann and her practice at The Spring Center Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Expanding the Ranks of Lyme Literate Medical Professionals Dr. Bransfield discusses his efforts to educate mental health professionals about the critical connection between Lyme disease and psychiatric symptoms. The Role of ILADS and Its Impact As an early ILADS member, Dr. Bransfield shares insights into the organization's role in tackling the complexities of Lyme disease diagnosis and treatment. The Complexity of the Brain and Its Relevance to Lyme Disease Dr. Bransfield explains how Lyme disease affects different brain regions, leading to a range of neuropsychiatric symptoms. Understanding the Evolution of the Brain Using powerful analogies, Dr. Bransfield illustrates brain development and how the more primitive regions control fight-or-flight responses. The Impact of Lyme Disease on Brain Function and Behavior Exploring the "manipulation hypothesis," Dr. Bransfield discusses how Lyme bacteria and other parasites may influence human behavior to aid their survival. The Importance of Individualized Treatment for Lyme Disease Lyme disease presents uniquely in each patient, requiring a personalized approach to treatment for optimal recovery. The Role of Ticks and Other Vectors in Lyme Disease Transmission The conversation highlights various known and potential vectors responsible for spreading Lyme disease. The Need for Further Research and Education Dr. Bransfield emphasizes the necessity of expanding our understanding of brain function and mental health to address broader issues, including global instability. Resources & Links Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Robert Bransfield Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Join us for a special LIVE episode from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, where we sit down with Kristina Petterson Bauer, Founder and Executive Director of the Texas Lyme Alliance. Kristina shares her personal journey with Lyme disease, her work advocating for congenital and pediatric Lyme patients, and the critical need for better medical education and legislative action in Texas. Key topics include: Lyme Disease in Texas: Challenging the misconception that Lyme disease isn't prevalent in the state and advocating for improved surveillance and medical education. Kristina's Personal Journey: Misdiagnosed for 32 years, Kristina and her four congenital Lyme children have battled and overcome Lyme disease. Texas Lyme Alliance's Mission: Supporting research, increasing awareness, and fighting for legislative change to improve Lyme patient care. Advocacy & Legislation: Kristina's role as Texas State Lead for the Center for Lyme Action, pushing for increased federal Lyme disease funding. Integrative Healing & Patient Support: How Kristina's background in nutrition, yoga, Reiki, and holistic wellness plays a role in Lyme recovery. Empowering the Community: The importance of education, patient resources, and legislative efforts in the fight against Lyme disease. This episode is packed with powerful insights into the challenges Lyme patients face and the tireless work of advocates like Kristina Bauer to improve access to care and raise awareness. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Kristina Petterson Bauer & Texas Lyme Alliance: txlymealliance.org/our-team Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

About Dr. Elyssa Blissenbach Board-certified in internal and obesity medicine Founder of Northeast Florida Internal Medicine in Jacksonville, FL Over 25 years of experience treating complex and challenging cases Specializes in Lyme disease, Bartonella, and Babesia, which she sees frequently in Florida Recognizes the connection between Lyme disease and adult ADHD/ADD ILADS member pursuing further training in comprehensive Lyme care Key Takeaways from This Interview Lyme Disease in Florida: Despite misconceptions, Lyme and co-infections are prevalent in Florida. ADHD and Lyme Connection: Many adult ADHD/ADD patients also have Lyme or co-infections. Holistic and Traditional Treatments: Dr. Blissenbach integrates herbal remedies with conventional treatments. Challenges in Lyme Care: Insurance coverage limitations make Lyme-specific testing and treatment difficult for patients. Expanding Lyme Focus: Transitioning her practice to prioritize Lyme disease while maintaining internal medicine and weight loss services. Resources & Links Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Elyssa Blissenbach: Northeast Florida Internal Medicine Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Nikki Schultek, Executive Director of the Alzheimer Pathobiome Initiative, shares groundbreaking research at the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference. The initiative is investigating the connection between infections—such as Lyme disease, Epstein-Barr virus, and long COVID—and neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. ILADS provides a crucial platform for researchers to collaborate, break down silos, and drive innovation in chronic illness research. A recent symposium brought together experts across multiple disciplines to explore microbial drivers of brain diseases. The team has submitted a major grant proposal to advance research on infectious and microbiome influences on Alzheimer's. A newly published review article in the Journal of Infectious Diseases highlights key findings and perspectives from the initiative. Insights into host vulnerabilities, including the role of the ApoE4 gene, are shaping a deeper understanding of individual susceptibility to neurodegenerative conditions. The discussion underscores systemic healthcare challenges in addressing chronic, complex diseases and the urgent need for research-driven changes in medical practice. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Nikki Schultek and her work: Intracellular Research Group Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Live from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Dr. Leona Gilbert joins Tick Boot Camp to discuss the critical role of publishing data in the Lyme disease community. She highlights the differences between researchers and clinicians, the challenges doctors face in treating Lyme patients, and how patient data can help legitimize treatment approaches. Key Takeaways: Researchers can empower clinicians to publish case studies and data, providing credible evidence for treatment methods. AI tools are making the publishing process more streamlined and accessible for clinicians. Patient groups are collecting valuable data through surveys that can be leveraged for research and publication. Involving patients as co-authors on research papers can provide important perspectives. Researchers are the "unsung heroes" in the Lyme disease community, working behind the scenes to support clinicians and patients. Topics Covered: ILADS Conference and Travel Importance of Publishing in Medical Research Challenges in Lyme Disease Research and Clinical Practice Role of Researchers and Clinicians in Lyme Disease Treatment Empowering Patients in Research and Data Collection Action Items: Encourage clinicians to collaborate with researchers to publish their case studies and data. Utilize AI tools to help clinicians set up patient databases and mine data for publishing. Empower patient groups to publish their survey data and collaborate with researchers. Explore having patients as co-authors on published case studies and research. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Leona Gilbert Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Dr. Louis Teulières, a multi-national doctor with an MD and PhD, has been actively involved with ILADS since 2016 due to his research on bacteriophages at the University of Leicester. Frustrated with the limitations of antibiotic treatments for Borrelia, the bacteria that causes Lyme disease, Dr. Teulières explored bacteriophages as a novel diagnostic and therapeutic approach. Due to regulatory challenges in administering phage therapy, Dr. Teulières and his team developed a phage-based test that can directly detect the presence of Borrelia bacteria. This test, marketed by Red Labs in Europe for the past four years, has been used on thousands of patients and can differentiate between early, late-stage, and post-treatment Lyme disease. Dr. Teulières is now working to expand the test's reach in the U.S., seeking partnerships with American clinicians and researchers to validate the test and pursue FDA clearance. The discussion underscores the need for innovative diagnostic tools to improve Lyme disease detection and accelerate healing journeys for patients. About Dr. Louis Teulières: Medical degree from University of Nice, France. Specializations in immunology, hematology, immunopathology, bacteriology, and epidemiology at the Pasteur Institute in Paris and CDC in Atlanta. Former researcher at the Pasteur Institute, contributing to studies on immune and infectious diseases such as HIV. Active member of the immunology team that received the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the HIV virus in 1983. Founder of CMIL clinics in Lisbon and Paris, specializing in immune and infectious diseases, Lyme disease, and neurodegenerative conditions. Co-founder of PHELIX, a charity dedicated to phage-based research and diagnostics in Lyme disease. Collaborates with University of Leicester, St Thomas Hospital in London, and other world-class healthcare professionals. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Louis Teulières and his research: Red Labs Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Topic: Dr. Cipriano's journey from ICU nurse to Lyme disease practitioner, inspired by her son's diagnosis and the challenges of navigating the medical system. Key Takeaways: The Power of ILADS Conferences – How attending ILADS helped Dr. Cipriano learn about innovative Lyme disease treatments and naturopathic approaches. From ICU Nurse to Lyme Specialist – Dr. Cipriano shares her transition from hospital-based care to focusing on preventative medicine and helping patients get off medications. A Mother's Fight for Answers – Her son's Lyme disease journey, the difficulties of getting an accurate diagnosis, and the perseverance needed to find effective treatment. Polymicrobial Infections on the Rise – The growing complexity of Lyme disease cases, including Bartonella, Babesia, and other co-infections. Breaking Barriers in Medicine – The challenges of being an outlier in the medical field and the importance of collaboration through ILADS. The Evolution of Diagnostic Testing – Advances in Lyme disease testing, including the accuracy and comprehensiveness of iGenex panels. Chronic UTIs & Tick-Borne Infections – How Lyme disease and co-infections contribute to chronic urinary tract infections and why they require a different treatment approach. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Pamela Cipriano Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Dr. Michael Lebowitz, a veteran physician with over 43 years of experience, joins the Tick Boot Camp Podcast live from the ILADS Conference to discuss his expertise in treating environmentally sensitive patients, chronic infections, and the role of mold in Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. Key Takeaways: The Chronic Illness Crisis: Understanding how microbes (threat) and toxic load (vulnerability) contribute to the rise of chronic diseases. The Mold Factor: How mold exposure can increase susceptibility to Lyme disease and worsen symptoms post-infection. Historical Treatments for Mold: A look into ancient remedies, including essential oils and environmental interventions, for combating mold-related illnesses. Modern Mold Illness Approaches: Dr. Lebowitz's integrative strategy for addressing mold, parasites, viruses, Lyme disease, food sensitivities, and more to lower total toxic burden. Reducing Toxic Load: Practical recommendations on testing for dysbiosis, using full-spectrum herbs, and eliminating dietary and environmental triggers. Resources & Links:

Join us for a special Tick Boot Camp Podcast episode, recorded LIVE at the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, featuring Dr. Richard Horowitz—one of the world's leading experts in Lyme disease and chronic illness. Dr. Horowitz shares groundbreaking insights from his 16-point MSIDS model, his upcoming book "Why We Stay Sick," and the latest advancements in AI-driven research and clinical trials. Topics Covered: Dr. Horowitz's Upcoming Book on Chronic Illness – A deep dive into Why We Stay Sick and how it expands beyond Lyme disease. Explaining the MSIDS Model – Understanding the 6 key drivers of inflammation and their downstream effects. The Role of AI in Research – How artificial intelligence is shaping Lyme disease diagnostics and treatment. The Impact of Environmental Toxins – Why detoxification is a critical piece of chronic illness recovery. The Importance of Clinical Trials – Validating treatments and protecting physicians treating complex conditions. The Role of Bartonella in Chronic Illness – Exploring the increasing prevalence of Bartonella in Lyme patients. The Future of Chronic Disease Management – A "One Health" approach to tackling multi-system illnesses. The Personal Impact of Clinical Work – Dr. Horowitz's reflections on 30+ years of patient care. The Importance of Public Education – Spreading awareness to bridge the gap in medical understanding. The Path to Publication – How Dr. Horowitz is bringing his groundbreaking research to a wider audience. About Dr. Richard Horowitz Dr. Richard Horowitz is a board-certified internist and medical director of the Hudson Valley Healing Arts Center, where he has treated over 13,000 Lyme disease patients. A founding member and past president of ILADS, he has trained over 200 healthcare providers in diagnosing and treating resistant tick-borne illnesses. He is the New York Times bestselling author of Why Can't I Get Better? and How Can I Get Better? and has co-authored peer-reviewed Lyme guidelines and published research on "persister" drugs for chronic Lyme disease. Dr. Horowitz has also served on the HHS Tick-borne Disease Working Group and the NYS DOH Tick-borne Disease Working Group, helping shape national and state policies on Lyme and coinfections. His latest research explores AI-driven solutions for chronic illness, the role of environmental toxins, and the growing prevalence of Bartonella in Lyme patients. Resources & Links Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Richard Horowitz: cangetbetter.com Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Dr. Tom Moorcroft shares his personal journey with Lyme disease, from misdiagnosis to healing. How Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DOs) take a whole-person approach to Lyme treatment. The power of mindset and gratitude in recovery—Dr. Moorcroft's personal healing practices. His mission to train other practitioners and expand Lyme disease education through ILADS and social media. Key Topics: Lyme disease diagnosis and treatment strategies. The integrative medicine approach to chronic infections. Mindset and gratitude as critical tools for healing. Expanding Lyme disease education through practitioner training and online programs. Actionable Takeaways: Follow Dr. Moorcroft's work for deeper insights into the psychology and spiritual aspects of Lyme healing. Explore his Origins of Health website, YouTube channel, and Lyme Practitioner Certification program for expert guidance. Guest Bio: Dr. Tom Moorcroft, DO, is a leading Lyme-literate physician specializing in complex, chronic illnesses, including Lyme disease and infection-induced autoimmune conditions like PANS/PANDAS. As an ILADS leader, educator, and speaker, he is committed to helping patients and training healthcare providers to improve Lyme disease care worldwide. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Tom Moorcroft: Origins of Health Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Dr. Melanie Stein's Lyme Journey: She shares her personal battle with Lyme disease, including paralysis and being dismissed by allopathic doctors. Her healing began with support from naturopathic colleagues and ILADS doctors. Dr. Vy Simeles' Background: She discusses her path into naturopathic medicine and her specialization in complex chronic illnesses, including tick-borne diseases. The Complexity of Lyme Cases: Patients today present with more severe and complex conditions, potentially due to COVID-19, environmental toxins, and more resistant pathogens. Comprehensive Treatment Approaches: The doctors highlight the importance of IV therapy, homeopathy, herbal medicine, and mental-emotional healing in Lyme recovery. Gut Health & Detoxification: Addressing Lyme disease requires epigenetic support, cellular detox, and restoring gut health. Advancements in Diagnostics: The prevalence of tick-borne diseases is rising, even in areas once considered low-risk, making improved testing and early intervention crucial. Resources & Links:

In this special live episode from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Tick Boot Camp sits down with Dr. Carolyn Mukai and Dr. Lynn Klassen, co-founders of Tandem Clinic in Vancouver, Canada. The discussion centers on their mission to train practitioners in effectively diagnosing and treating Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses. Key Takeaways: Tandem Clinic's Origins: Dr. Mukai and Dr. Klassen share their personal experiences with Lyme disease and how it inspired them to create a clinic focused on integrative, patient-centered care. The Holistic Approach: The doctors emphasize the importance of combining traditional prescription-based treatments with naturopathic therapies, including IV therapies, herbal supplements, and lifestyle counseling. Scaling Lyme Disease Treatment: With Lyme disease cases rising, they discuss the urgent need for more trained practitioners and how their clinic is addressing this gap. Practitioner Training Program: Learn how Tandem Clinic is building a community of Lyme-literate providers through their Lyme Learning Courses: Naturopathic Assessment & Management of the Acute Tick Bite Lyme Literacy Course for Healthcare Practitioners Scaling Lyme Disease Treatment: Practitioner Training at Tandem Clinic Research & Evidence-Based Practice: The role of research in naturopathic medicine and how evidence-based strategies are essential for improving patient outcomes. Guest Bios: Dr. Carolyn Mukai, ND specializes in complex chronic disease, focusing on Lyme disease, environmental exposures, and immune dysfunction. She believes in a patient-centered, detective-style approach to uncovering the root causes of chronic illness. Pronouns: she/her/hers. Dr. Lynn Klassen, ND is a Lyme Literate ND (LLND) with extensive training in testing and treatment of tick-borne illnesses. She combines traditional and naturopathic therapies to support patients from active disease to recovery. Pronouns: she/her/hers. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Mukai & Dr. Klassen: Tandem Clinic Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Key Takeaways: Sanoviv Medical Institute, located in Rosarito Beach, Mexico, has been offering specialized Lyme disease treatment since 1999. The fully licensed hospital integrates conventional, complementary, and functional medicine to address root causes of disease rather than just symptoms. Sanoviv provides treatment options unavailable in the U.S., drawing patients from around the world seeking advanced Lyme disease care. The admission process includes medical record review, consultation with a Sanoviv doctor, and scheduling an inpatient stay within 2-3 weeks. The 2-week inpatient Lyme program includes: Extensive diagnostic testing Whole-body hyperthermia therapy High-dose antibiotic treatment Detox protocols and supportive therapies Nutritional, psychological, and lifestyle education Sanoviv's healing environment features organic, gluten-free, and dairy-free meals, toxin-free accommodations, and daily integrative therapy sessions. A 6-month aftercare program helps patients transition home and maintain their health. Patients praise Sanoviv's compassionate, highly trained staff and comprehensive, personalized approach to healing. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Sanoviv and its treatment programs: Sanoviv Medical Institute Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this special live episode from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Tick Boot Camp interviews Tapley Holland, the founder of TruDOSE and the creator of its patented technology that is transforming Lyme disease treatment. Key Takeaways The TruDOSE Breakthrough: How TruDOSE's intelligent software solved the longstanding issue of dosing inaccuracy in regenerative medicine. Immune System Reset: The science behind TruDOSE IV platelet therapy and how it helps reset the immune system to address Lyme disease and other chronic conditions. Real-World Impact: Insights from over 18,000 patients who have seen remarkable improvements through TruDOSE therapy. Phases of Healing: How TruDOSE fits into the Lyme disease recovery process, from prehabilitation to long-term maintenance. Finding Treatment: How patients can locate licensed providers and access this cutting-edge therapy. Why You Should Listen If you or a loved one is battling Lyme disease or another chronic illness, this episode offers valuable insights into a revolutionary treatment option. Healthcare professionals will also gain an understanding of TruDOSE's role in regenerative medicine and how to integrate it into their practice. Resources & Links Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Tapley Holland and TruDOSE: TruDOSE About Us Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Introduction Tick Boot Camp Podcast goes LIVE from the ILADS Conference with Sharon Ibanez and her daughter Mara, representatives of Lyme Warrior, a nonprofit dedicated to raising awareness and providing resources for Lyme disease patients. Sharon and Mara share their personal experiences with Lyme disease and discuss how Lyme Warrior is making a difference in the patient community. Lyme Warrior's Mission at ILADS Sharon and Mara attend the ILADS conference to build relationships with doctors and healthcare practitioners to improve patient care. Their goal is to foster better communication and collaboration between Lyme patients and providers. Mara's Lyme Disease Journey Diagnosed with Lyme disease at a young age, Mara shares how it affected her physically and emotionally. She reflects on how an earlier diagnosis could have prevented years of suffering and isolation. Sharon's Battle with Lyme Disease Sharon recounts her decades-long struggle with misdiagnoses before finally testing positive for Lyme. Symptoms such as chronic migraines, weight loss, and extreme fatigue impacted her daily life. The Challenges of Being a Lyme Parent and Patient Sharon opens up about the difficulty of managing her illness while being a mother. She emphasizes how understanding that Lyme—not her children—was causing her suffering changed her perspective. Lyme Warrior's Impact: Smile Boxes and Volunteer Work Sharon shares how receiving a Smile Box from Lyme Warrior was a turning point in her healing journey. Mara highlights the emotional impact of these care packages, which help Lyme patients feel seen and supported. How to Support Lyme Warrior Sharon discusses ways to donate, volunteer, or sponsor a Smile Box to help Lyme patients in need. The organization relies on community support to continue making a difference. Resources & Links

In this special live episode of the Tick Boot Camp podcast, we interview Dr. Bill Rawls, a renowned expert in chronic Lyme disease, at the ILADS conference. They dive deep into the critical steps newly diagnosed Lyme disease patients should take, discussing the complexity of chronic infections, the role of the nervous system, and key herbal-based solutions like the HPA Balance, Restore Kit, and Gut Rebuild Kit to support healing. Key Takeaways: Understanding Chronic Lyme – How multiple microbes contribute to long-term illness and why Lyme disease is more than just Borrelia. Regulating the Nervous System – The importance of managing the fight-or-flight response for improved recovery. The HPA Balance Supplement – How this formula supports HPA axis regulation, stress reduction, and immune function. The Restore Kit – A comprehensive blend of antimicrobials, adaptogens, and cellular support designed for Lyme patients. The Gut Rebuild Kit – Why gut health is essential after antibiotic use and how to restore balance with the right nutrients. Holistic Healing Approach – How emotional health, detoxification, and physiological support are all interconnected in Lyme recovery. About Dr. Bill Rawls Dr. Bill Rawls is a board-certified physician with a background in family medicine and a personal journey overcoming Lyme disease. He is the author of "Suffered Long Enough" and "Unlocking Lyme" and serves as the Medical Director of Vital Plan, an herbal supplement and wellness company. Dr. Rawls is dedicated to helping Lyme patients take control of their healing through natural solutions. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates: ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Bill Rawls: RawlsMD.com Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this special live interview from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Noah Johnston, Executive Director of Project Lyme, shares invaluable insights into the organization's mission and the work they're doing to support the Lyme disease community. From education to research, advocacy to patient support, Noah covers it all in this engaging discussion. Key Topics Discussed: Overview of Project Lyme's Mission: Learn about how Project Lyme is focused on education, research, advocacy, and direct patient support in the fight against tick-borne diseases. Collaborating with Various Organizations: Discover the unique niche Project Lyme has carved out by working with other organizations in the tick-borne disease space to maximize impact. Significant Funding and Research Partnerships: Hear about the funding Project Lyme has raised and the research partnerships that are contributing to the ongoing fight against Lyme disease. Advocacy Efforts: Noah talks about Project Lyme's advocacy efforts, including its founding membership in the Center for Lyme Action, and the critical role this initiative plays in raising awareness. Direct Patient Support Initiatives: Learn about Project Lyme's practical support for patients, including educational resources, symptom questionnaires, and provider directories. How the Public Can Get Involved: Noah shares ways that listeners can support Project Lyme's efforts and contribute to the Lyme disease community. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Noah Johnston's organization, Project Lyme: Project Lyme Website Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this live episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, Dr. Noah Lebowitz, a holistic practitioner from Maui, Hawaii, shares his expertise on managing chronic illness through natural medicine. His approach emphasizes the importance of diet, detoxification, and sleep to support healing. Key Takeaways: Dr. Noah's Practice in Maui: Specializes in treating mold, parasitic, and other chronic health issues. Patients travel from across the country for his expertise. Chronic Illness Risk: Dr. Noah highlights the role of environmental and emotional stress as key contributors to chronic illness. Diet & Healing: Eliminating inflammatory and processed foods is essential for supporting the body's healing process. Exercise for Chronically Ill: Light aerobic activities are recommended over high-intensity workouts for patients with chronic illness. Detoxification Tools: Dr. Noah discusses various detox options, recommending bamboo charcoal while cautioning against certain agents. Sleep Hygiene: The episode covers practical tips for improving sleep, addressing insomnia, and managing exhaustion, which are common challenges for chronic illness sufferers. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Noah Lebowitz at Dr. Noah's About Me Page Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this episode of the Tick Boot Camp podcast, we have the privilege of hearing from Dr. James Neuenschwander, an integrative medicine and emergency medicine physician. Dr. Neuenschwander discusses his extensive experience in treating chronic illnesses in children, with a special focus on those on the autism spectrum. With over 35 years of experience, Dr. Neuenschwander is also the president of the Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs (MAPS). Key Takeaways: Defining Chronic Illness in Children: Chronic conditions in children, such as asthma, autism, and PANS/PANDAS, often persist for more than a month or two and can significantly affect their quality of life. Immune System Differences: While children generally have a more robust innate immune system, they are more vulnerable to Lyme infections and neurological complications due to their porous blood-brain barrier. Inflammatory Response and Brain Inflammation: Although children may not show severe inflammatory responses to tick bites, brain inflammation can lead to developmental regression and psychiatric symptoms, further complicating diagnosis and treatment. Co-Infections and Diagnostic Challenges: Co-infections such as Borrelia, Babesia, and Bartonella are common in pediatric chronic illnesses, making diagnosis more complex and requiring an integrated approach to treatment. Environmental Factors and Autism: Infections, toxins, and immune system activation are factors that can induce brain inflammation and increase the risk of autism, contributing to the rising prevalence of autism spectrum disorders. Importance of Integrative and Holistic Approaches: Dr. Neuenschwander emphasizes the need to address the whole ecosystem in treating children with chronic illnesses, focusing on gut health, nutrition, environmental factors, and immune system balance, rather than just targeting specific infections. Role of MAPS in Training Practitioners: The Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs (MAPS) plays a vital role in educating healthcare providers on integrative techniques for managing complex chronic conditions in children. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. James Neuenschwander here Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this live interview from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Dr. Alexis Chesney, MS, ND, LAc, shares her expertise on Lyme disease and tick-borne illnesses, discussing her integrative approach to treatment and prevention. Key Takeaways: Dr. Chesney's Lyme Disease Journey: Learn how Dr. Chesney's practice in Lyme disease hotspots led her to focus on treating complex chronic illnesses such as Lyme and other tick-borne diseases. Integrative Approach to Healing: Dr. Chesney emphasizes the importance of combining naturopathic and conventional treatments, focusing on the mind-body connection in Lyme disease management. The PALM Framework: Dr. Chesney outlines her holistic approach to healing: Prehabilitation, Assisting the immune system, Rehabilitation, and Maintenance. Preventing Tick-Borne Diseases: Insights into Dr. Chesney's book Preventing Lyme and Other Tick-Borne Diseases, as well as her online course and tick preparedness kit. Global Tick Species and Prevention: Dr. Chesney's online course provides updated prevention and treatment strategies, drawing from over 200 peer-reviewed journal articles on global tick-borne diseases. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Alexis Chesney Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this live episode from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, we sit down with Ryan Today, a neuroplasticity coach and founder of Relax Saunas. Ryan shares his journey from closing his private practice to focusing on Relax Saunas and their groundbreaking far infrared technology. Learn how this technology is helping Lyme disease patients recover and detoxify more effectively than ever before. Key Takeaways: Ryan Today switched careers to study and promote Relax Saunas, recognizing their unique benefits for health, especially in Lyme disease recovery. Relax Saunas create a fever-like state that leads to a beneficial type of sweat, perfect for detoxification and breaking down Lyme bacteria. Far infrared waves penetrate deeply into the body, helping to target Lyme bacteria hiding in tissues and disrupting biofilms. Regular sauna sessions are recommended for Lyme disease recovery, with 3-4 sessions per week being ideal. Relax Saunas' advanced technology allows for shorter 5-minute sessions to achieve therapeutic benefits. Saunas help address sinogenous toxicity, the toxins that accumulate due to complex interactions within the body, a key issue for Lyme patients. How Relax Saunas Benefit Lyme Disease Patients: Detoxification through deep-penetrating infrared waves. Disruption of Lyme bacteria and biofilm targeting. Support for neuroplasticity and overall healing during Lyme disease recovery. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Relax Saunas: Relax Saunas Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

In this live episode from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) Conference, Jackie Meinhardt, a functional medicine nurse practitioner and neuroscience researcher at the Amen Clinic, shares her expertise on treating Lyme disease and associated conditions. Jackie discusses her approach to functional and integrative medicine, the challenges faced by patients with chronic Lyme, and the latest research on difficult-to-treat cases. Key Takeaways: Jackie Meinhardt's Background & Expertise: Jackie Meinhardt holds a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) from Georgetown University and has extensive training in functional medicine. She collaborates with Dr. Daniel Amen at the Amen Clinic in Washington, D.C., where she works on brain health and cognitive function. Involvement with ILADS: Jackie has been an active participant in the ILADS community, emphasizing the importance of educating both healthcare providers and patients about the latest developments in Lyme disease treatments. Research on Difficult-to-Treat Lyme Disease Patients: Through her research, Jackie has observed critical patterns in hard-to-treat Lyme patients, focusing on plasminogen activation inhibitors and biofilm. These findings have significantly influenced her clinical strategies and contributed to improved patient outcomes. Challenges in Lyme Disease Care: Jackie discusses the barriers Lyme disease patients face in accessing quality care and highlights the need for changes in public policy and medical practices to improve treatment options. The Role of ILADS in Advancing Lyme Disease Care: Jackie underscores the importance of platforms like ILADS for sharing research findings and influencing the standard of care in Lyme disease treatment. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Jackie Meinhardt at Amen Clinics - Jackie Meinhardt Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Dr. Chris Winfrey is a neuropsychiatrist at New Image Wellness in Marlton, NJ, where he integrates orthomolecular psychiatry, functional medicine, and psychoanalytic therapy. His expertise includes treating Traumatic Brain Injuries, Cognitive Impairment, PANDAS, Mold Toxicity-induced Encephalitis, refractory depression, and complex PTSD. He also has a deep interest in racial and cultural psychiatry, theology, and faith, aiming to bridge gaps between psychiatry and faith communities. Dr. Winfrey is currently exploring the psychosomatic and somatopsychic impact of microbial and toxic influences in neuropsychiatric conditions. Key Takeaways from the Interview Limitations of Traditional Psychiatric Training: Traditional psychiatric training focuses on acute management, effective for stabilization but not long-term healing. Dr. Winfrey realized his training was inadequate for addressing complex chronic illnesses. Discovering the Mind-Body Connection: Every psychological and psychiatric condition has a physiological foundation. Dr. Winfrey believes psychological disturbances often stem from physiological issues, with potential spiritual and energetic components. Transitioning to a Holistic Approach: Attending the ILADS conference helped Dr. Winfrey expand his diagnostic and treatment toolbox. His approach now considers biological, environmental, lifestyle, and psychosocial factors in patient care. Treating Chronic, Complex Patients: 100% of Dr. Winfrey's chronic patients present with microbial infections. His treatment protocol includes psychopharmacological agents, herbal treatments, supplements, lifestyle changes, and nutritional adjustments. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Winfrey Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)

Dr. Jyotsna Shah, PhD, is the President and Laboratory Director of IGeneX, a leading Lyme disease testing laboratory. With over 40 years of research experience in immunology, molecular biology, and microbiology, she holds more than 20 patents. Dr. Shah's journey in Lyme disease research began at Harvard University, and she has since played a pivotal role in advancing diagnostic tools for tick-borne diseases. Under her leadership, IGeneX has developed innovative testing methods, including the first Fluorescent In Situ Hybridization (FISH) test for Babesia. Key Takeaways: IGeneX is considered the premier Lyme disease testing lab by the patient community due to the positive outcomes patients experience. Dr. Shah's early exposure to Lyme disease research at Harvard University and a personal connection through a colleague led her to focus her career on this field. The development of the Fluorescence In Situ Hybridization (FISH) technique was a crucial factor in Dr. Shah's decision to pursue Lyme disease research. Navigating the clinical lab management aspect of IGeneX was an unexpected challenge, but Dr. Shah worked closely with state inspectors to ensure the lab's safety and trustworthiness. Obtaining insurance coverage for IGeneX's specialized tests has been an ongoing challenge, but the lab's focus on patient outcomes has earned it the trust of the Lyme disease community. Resources & Links: Follow the latest ILADS updates at ILADS.org Learn more about Dr. Jyotsna Shah and IGeneX: IGeneX Leadership Stay connected with Tick Boot Camp: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok | Twitter (X)