Dr. Jill Carnahan is Your Functional Medicine Expert®. She is dually board certified and is the founder and Medical Director of Flatiron Functional Medicine. As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease, and toxic mold illness she brings a unique perspective to treating patients. She specializes in searching for the underlying causes of illness through cutting-edge lab testing and personalized medicine protocols. Released in 2023, Dr. Jill's Best Selling book, Unexpected: Finding Resilience though Functional Medicine, Science, and Faith is a powerful prescriptive memoir that will have you laughing and crying with her on the journey, leaving you with the key resources you need to achieve optimal health and wellness. She is also executive producer, film writer, and featured in a new documentary about her journey overcoming illness called Doctor/Patient. As a popular inspirational speaker and prolific writer, she shares her knowledge of hope, health, and healing live on stage and through newsletters, articles, books, and social media. Patients and fans alike are encouraged by Dr. Jill’s science-backed medical knowledge delivered with authenticity, love, and humor. She is known for inspiring her audience to thrive even in the midst of difficulties. Be sure to follow @drjillcarnahan on Instagram for access to all her content. Please Note. This podcast is not designed or intended to address any personal medical questions or concerns. Please work directly with your provider for anything pertaining to your personal medical needs.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode revisits one of the most complex and misunderstood areas in integrative medicine: toxic mold illness and the highly sensitive patient. Dr. Jill is joined by renowned functional medicine pioneer Dr. Neil Nathan, author of Toxic: Heal Your Body and The Sensitive Patient's Healing Guide, for a powerful and deeply insightful conversation on environmental toxins, limbic dysfunction, mast cell activation, and healing chronic inflammatory illness. In this episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Nathan explore why many highly sensitive individuals struggle with conventional detox protocols—and how healing requires safety, precision, and a stepwise approach. This discussion offers both clinicians and patients a roadmap for navigating mold illness, nervous system overload, and sensitivity syndromes with greater clarity and compassion. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help more sensitive patients find safe and effective pathways to recovery.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode challenges decades of conventional thinking about Restless Legs Syndrome (RLS). Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. James C. Anderson, whose groundbreaking research suggests that RLS may not be primarily a dopamine disorder—but instead, a problem of mechanical nerve compression in the lower leg. In this fascinating and science-driven discussion, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Anderson explore how decompression of the common fibular, superficial fibular, and tibial nerves may significantly reduce symptoms like burning, tingling, cramping, creeping sensations, and sleep disruption. This episode offers hope to patients who have failed dopaminergic medications and provides clinicians with deeper mechanistic insight into the root causes of RLS and peripheral neuropathy. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help more people discover innovative, root-cause solutions for chronic restless legs and sleep disruption.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode explores one of the most debated and rapidly evolving topics in environmental medicine: Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE) for toxic mold illness and chronic inflammatory syndromes. Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Paul Savage, founder of MDLifespan, to break down the science, safety, and real-world application of TPE and the patent-pending PlasmaXchange™ protocol. For many patients struggling with persistent mold toxicity, autoimmune flares, chronic inflammation, and toxic burden, traditional detox strategies—binders, sauna, fasting, chelation—may not be enough. This episode provides an evidence-informed, transparent Q&A exploring whether Therapeutic Plasma Exchange could be a missing link in complex recovery cases. Together, they examine what TPE actually removes from the bloodstream, who may benefit most, potential risks and contraindications, and how clinicians measure outcomes before and after treatment. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help more patients and practitioners understand advanced options for toxic mold and environmental illness recovery.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode explores the powerful and transformative season of midlife—a time of hormonal shifts, identity changes, and profound personal reinvention. Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Trevor Cates, bestselling author and pioneer in women's health, for an inspiring conversation about navigating perimenopause, purpose, and the courage to evolve. In this episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Cates discuss why midlife isn't a crisis—it's a reset. From hormonal fluctuations and metabolic changes to deeper emotional awakenings, this phase often acts as a "stress test," revealing what's no longer aligned in our health, work, and relationships. This conversation is for women who feel called to something more—more energy, more authenticity, more purpose—and want practical, holistic strategies to support both physical and emotional transformation. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help more women embrace midlife as a powerful new beginning.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode uncovers a critical and often overlooked driver of chronic symptoms in women: meta-inflammation. Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Lara Zakaria, widely known as The Foodie Farmacist, for a practical, empowering conversation on how inflammation, metabolism, stress, and lifestyle intersect in women's health. In this episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Lara Zakaria explore why so many women feel exhausted, inflamed, and burned out—despite doing "all the right things." Drawing from Dr. Zakaria's journey from retail pharmacy to functional and personalized nutrition, this conversation reveals why addressing root causes—not just symptoms—is essential for long-term resilience. This episode is for women who want clarity, sustainable strategies, and permission to stop striving for perfection while still supporting deep healing. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help more women reclaim energy, balance, and metabolic health.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode uncovers one of the most urgent and invisible threats to human health: microplastics. Dr. Jill is joined by internationally respected environmental medicine expert Dr. Lynn Patrick for a deep, science-based discussion on how microplastics are quietly changing human biology—from the gut to the brain to the cardiovascular system. In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Patrick explore why microplastics may pose an even greater long-term risk than PFAS and other "forever chemicals." You'll learn how **nanoplastics—now responsible for up to 90% of exposure—**are small enough to cross the gut lining, lungs, blood-brain barrier, and even the placenta, accumulating in tissues with no effective exit pathway. Key topics include: ① Why microplastics act as "Trojan horses" for pesticides, heavy metals, and endocrine-disrupting chemicals ② Research linking microplastics to heart disease, dementia, IBD, and colorectal cancer ③ The alarming rise of plastic particles found in human brain tissue ④ How everyday items—bottled water, food packaging, and tea bags—drive exposure ⑤ Why microplastics overwhelm detox pathways and resist normal elimination ⑥ Emerging strategies for exposure reduction, including water filtration, avoidance, and the evolving role of plasmapheresis ⇨ Dr. Patrick also shares decades of clinical insight into environmental toxicology and explains why awareness—not fear—is the first step toward protection in a plastic-saturated world. ❤️ If you care about long-term brain health, cardiovascular health, gut integrity, and environmental medicine, this episode offers critical knowledge and practical strategies to reduce risk and protect resilience. ✨ Like, subscribe, and share to help others understand the hidden exposures shaping modern health.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode takes you behind the scenes of ketamine therapy—one of the most promising and misunderstood breakthroughs in modern mental health care. Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Jennifer Ellice, a board-certified emergency medicine physician and founder of Golden Afternoon Clinic. In this candid and eye-opening conversation, Dr. Ellice shares her unconventional journey from emergency medicine burnout during COVID to specializing in trauma-informed ketamine therapy for treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, PTSD, chronic pain, and suicidal ideation.
This episode features Michael, author of "Time Bandit," who shares his profound insights on time management, habit formation, and living a more intentional life. Drawing from his diverse background as a farm boy, a 30-year veteran of the high-tech industry, and a cancer survivor, Michael offers practical strategies to navigate the demands of modern life and cultivate greater well-being.
In this deep-dive episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. O'Bryan explore why LPS is far more than a gut issue—and how it silently fuels systemic inflammation for decades before symptoms like Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's, or autoimmune disease appear.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode explores how to heal from within by optimizing gut hormones, peptides, and recovery biology. Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Daniel Chille, integrative and functional medicine expert and founder of TBD Fit, to break down the science of recovery, performance, and long-term health—from elite athletes to everyday high performers.
In this episode, we delve into the complexities of the human microbiome and its crucial role in health and disease. Our guest, Dr. Kelman, shares insights from his extensive experience in functional medicine, emphasizing the importance of understanding the body's inner workings and the power of the microbiome. This deep and inspiring conversation goes far beyond traditional functional medicine. Dr. Kellman shares his unique perspective on the interconnectedness of nature, the body, and the microbiome, revealing how understanding these inner ecosystems can transform the way we treat chronic illness.
Welcome back to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's empowering episode asks a transformative question: Can You Rewire a Dysregulated Nervous System? Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Cat King, founder of Primal Trust™ Academy and a leading educator in nervous system healing, brain retraining, vagus nerve toning, and trauma-informed somatic practices. In this heartfelt and science-driven conversation, Dr. Cat explains why safety is the foundation of all healing—and why no protocol, supplement, or therapy can work when the body feels threatened. She shares how cultivating genuine safety, both internally and within therapeutic relationships, can shift the autonomic nervous system out of fear and into healing mode.
Dr. Jill joins Dr. Emily Gutierrez - one of the leading voices in pediatric functional medicine—to unpack the hidden root causes behind chronic childhood illness and what parents can do to support recovery. The discussion aims to address the stress parents face when their children struggle with health issues, including cognitive difficulties, insomnia, food allergies, and gut issues.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode explores the profound theme: When the Body Speaks Louder Than Words. Dr. Jill is joined by internationally respected clinician and educator Gail Wetzler, a leader in integrative manual therapy, visceral manipulation, and collaborative healthcare models that address the whole person—not just symptoms.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's episode dives into one of the most urgent topics in modern healthcare: how to prevent, slow, and even reverse cognitive decline. Dr. Jill is joined by the internationally respected Dr. Heather Sandison, a pioneer in dementia care, founder of Solcere Health Clinic, and creator of Marama—the first memory-care facility designed to help residents regain independence.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where today's powerful episode explores what it truly means to reclaim medicine through aligned leadership, personal transformation, and a return to root-cause, patient-centered care. Dr. Jill is joined by the inspiring Lundquist brothers - Dr. Erik Lundquist and Dr. Davin Lundquist—two nationally respected leaders in integrative, functional, and holistic medicine. In this episode, we dive deep into the emotional and professional challenges facing today's healthcare professionals, including burnout, chronic stress, and system-driven limitations that leave both clinicians and patients overwhelmed. Together, the Lundquist brothers break down what real leadership looks like in medicine—revealing the difference between simply managing and truly inspiring transformation in others. You'll learn how personal growth begins with small, courageous steps; how functional and holistic medicine empowers individuals to reclaim their health; and how hope, mindset, and aligned leadership can reshape the future of healthcare. Whether you're a clinician seeking renewed purpose or a patient longing for a more compassionate, whole-person medical approach, this conversation offers deep wisdom, practical insight, and a renewed sense of possibility.
Welcome back to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, where we bring you cutting-edge conversations with leading experts in longevity, regenerative medicine, and whole-body healing. In today's episode, Dr. Jill sits down with Dr. Khoshal Latifzai, a Dartmouth-trained, Yale-residency Emergency Medicine physician and co-founder of Rocky Mountain Regenerative Medicine, to explore the future of personalized healthcare. This powerful discussion dives deep into regenerative medicine, innovative longevity therapies, and the systemic challenges doctors and patients face in today's healthcare system. You'll learn how advanced treatments—like hyperbaric oxygen therapy, ozone therapy, and cellular therapies—are transforming lives, improving recovery, and helping people optimize their vitality at every stage of life.
In this fascinating and deeply healing episode of Resiliency Radio, Dr. Jill Carnahan welcomes back Dr. Olga Stevko, five years after her first appearance, to explore one of the most profound topics in neuroscience and healing — transgenerational trauma and how trauma can literally get into your genes.
In this episode, Christa Biegler dives into the intricate relationship between food sensitivities and skin health, exploring how these elements are interconnected through gut health. The discussion is rich with personal anecdotes, expert insights, and practical advice aimed at empowering listeners to take control of their health.
In this science-backed and empowering episode of Resiliency Radio, Dr. Jill Carnahan is joined by Dr. Siobhan Mitchell, Chief Scientific Officer of MitoQ, to explore how optimizing mitochondrial health can revolutionize the way we age, perform, and heal. ⚡ Together, they unpack the critical role mitochondria play in everything from immune function and brain health to energy production, resilience, and mental well-being. Discover how MitoQ, a breakthrough antioxidant supplement, supports mitochondrial function, enhances athletic performance, and may even aid mental health and PTSD recovery by repairing cellular damage and reducing inflammation.
In this engaging episode, the hosts sit down with Daphne, a renowned expert in social media marketing and business alignment. The conversation delves into personal growth, business strategies, and the importance of authenticity in both personal and professional realms.
In this insightful episode, Dr. Bruce Hoffman discusses the intricacies of modern medicine, the importance of understanding the human body's response to environmental stressors, and the future of healthcare. Dr. Hoffman shares his journey and the development of his New Medical Curriculum, which emphasizes a holistic approach to health and healing.
In this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the profound impact of love and connection on our lives. The discussion centers around understanding emotions, developing an opportunity mindset, and building meaningful relationships. The conversation also touches on the importance of self-compassion and spiritual connections in navigating life's challenges.
In this inspiring episode of Resiliency Radio, Dr. Jill Carnahan sits down with Gemma Stone, a transformational coach, psychologist, and TEDx speaker, to explore how we can turn pain, trauma, and adversity into lasting empowerment.
In this enlightening episode, the hosts delve into the intricate connections between gut health, hormones, and personal well-being. The discussion emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and self-care in achieving a balanced life.
Join us in this powerful episode of Resiliency Radio as we explore Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Women's Health with leading expert Dr. Terri DeNeui. Hormones play a vital role in women's well-being, and HRT is once again gaining attention as new research highlights its benefits and safety.
In this episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan sits down with John Jubilee, founder of the Cellular Hydration Foundation, to uncover the anti-aging power of intracellular hydration.
In this insightful episode, Dr. Jill and Dr. Cassie delve into the complexities of hormonal health, discussing the impact of modern lifestyles on hormone regulation and the importance of being proactive in managing one's health. They explore the nuances of thyroid function, the challenges of interpreting lab results, and the significance of advocating for oneself in the healthcare system.
Welcome to another powerful episode of Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, featuring integrative medicine expert Dr. Pejman Katiraei. In this conversation, we dive deep into the connections between Autism, mold exposure, and the microbiome, and how these factors influence overall health and chronic conditions.
In this episode, Dr. Jill and Lyme expert Nicole Bell delve into the intricate world of tick-borne illnesses and their impact on neurological conditions. Our guest shares personal experiences and insights into the challenges of diagnosis and treatment, highlighting the importance of understanding root causes and the role of pathogens. Related Product: https://www.drjillhealth.com/products/dr-jill-health%C2%AE-tick-bite-prevention-protocol-1 Dr. Jill Health® - Tick Bite Prevention Protocol
In this episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan is joined by Dr. Brian Rodgers to discuss the evolution and future of integrative and functional medicine. They delve into topics such as heart health, environmental toxicity, and the role of nutrition and lifestyle in disease prevention and management. https://lmthrive.com/
Dr. Jill sits down with Dr. Dennis G. Hooper, M.D., Ph.D. to decode the mysteries of autoimmunity and explore how environment and nutrition shape our genes. Dr. Hooper shares his remarkable journey from traditional medicine to integrative and functional medicine, offering insights into groundbreaking programs on inflammasomes and their critical role in autoimmune conditions. Together, Dr. Jill and Dr. Hooper dive deep into the effects of environmental exposures like arsenic and iron contamination, while highlighting the role of nutritional genetics in restoring health. You'll also discover the innovative Silver Gene Initiative, designed to transform patient care with faster lab testing and more accessible results. This conversation emphasizes the importance of teaching, collaboration, and community in medicine—and how collective knowledge can revolutionize healthcare for the future.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan! In this episode, The Power of WE: Building Relationships that Transform the World, Dr. Jill sits down with relationship and executive coach Krista Van Derveer to explore how deep connection, vulnerability, and personal growth can transform not only your relationships but also your health and overall life success. Discover the primal need for connection and why many people—especially high-achievers—struggle to maintain authenticity while nurturing relationships. Learn how relational healing can positively impact physical health, including autoimmune conditions, and why balancing professional success with personal fulfillment requires vulnerability and intentional energy. Krista shares her proven framework for building extraordinary partnerships, from the 24 Relationship Agreements she co-created with her husband to the practice of “repairing abundantly” for stronger bonds. Whether you're navigating a new relationship or deepening a long-term one, you'll gain actionable tips for creating a purpose-driven partnership that fuels intimacy, impact, and sustainable success.
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan! In this eye-opening episode, we're joined by renowned integrative physician Dr. Ann Shippy to discuss a transformative approach to fertility—The Preconception Revolution. If you or someone you know is struggling with infertility or preparing for a healthy pregnancy, this conversation is a must-watch. Dr. Shippy explores infertility not as a flaw, but as a protective mechanism, and dives deep into the root causes affecting reproductive health—from environmental toxins and glyphosate to gut health, epigenetics, and stress. Dr. Ann Shippy's latest book is The Preconception Revolution: A Science‑Backed Path to Your Fertility and Generational Health, set to be released on November 18, 2025. In this groundbreaking guide, she shares evidence‑based strategies to optimize fertility, harness epigenetics, and support the health of future generations
In this episode, Dr. Melody joins the show to discuss the critical role hormones play in weight loss, particularly for women aged 35 to 65. The conversation delves into the misconceptions surrounding hormone replacement therapy and the benefits of using hormones appropriately to support health and well-being.
In this episode, the Dr Jill was joined by Bob Miller and we delve into the intricate world of cellular health, focusing on the role of sirtuins, NAD, and the impact of environmental factors on chronic illnesses. The discussion is rich with scientific insights and practical advice for maintaining cellular health and preventing disease.
In this episode, Dr. Jill is joined by Dr. Chris D'Adamo, a leading researcher in integrative health and nutritional immunology, to discuss the critical role of beta glucans in supporting and modulating the immune system.
In this enlightening episode, Dr. Gupta shares his profound insights into the world of medicine, focusing on empathy, patient care, and the challenges faced by those with conditions like POTS and dysautonomia. The discussion highlights the importance of listening to patients and the transformative power of empathy in the healing process.
Dr. Jill sits down with gut health expert Dr. Vincent Pedre to uncover the alarming impact of microplastics, the crucial gut-brain connection, and how hormones are influenced by everyday toxins. Discover how conditions like leaky gut, bacterial overgrowth, and microplastic exposure contribute to anxiety, depression, and chronic inflammation. Learn about the vital role of the vagus nerve, the benefits of butyrate supplementation, and how fermented foods and mindful lifestyle habits can transform your gut health and emotional well-being. Packed with practical tips to reduce toxin exposure and improve your daily habits, this episode is a must-watch for anyone looking to reclaim their health, naturally. KEY DISCUSSIONS: ① Gut-Brain Connection:
In this episode, host Jill welcomes Dr. Savage to discuss the pressing issue of environmental toxic load and its impact on health. They delve into innovative solutions that go beyond traditional detox protocols, focusing on MD Lifespan's approach to managing and reducing toxic exposure. IMPORTANT LINKS Home: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill Consult: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-consult Get Clean: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-getclean Presentations: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-presentations PlasmaXchange: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-plasma KEY DISCUSSIONS: ① Dr. Savage's Journey:
In this insightful episode, Dr. Jill Carnahan sits down with Dr. Amy Proal as they delve into the emerging connections between Bartonella infections and Long Covid, revealing new research that may reshape our understanding of chronic illness. Discover how the MTOR pathway plays a pivotal role in pathogen survival and mitochondrial health, and how drugs like rapamycin could be game-changers in managing these infections. We also explore Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) and its links to unresolved infections, offering hope for treatment beyond medication. Key Discussions ① Bartonella and Long Covid:
In this episode, we're diving deep into the latest breakthroughs in integrative mental health and wellness with special guest Kirkland Newman, founder of the Mind Health 360. Kirkland is an Anglo-American journalist, philanthropist, and Founder of MindHealth360, a global platform dedicated to integrative mental health and functional medicine psychiatry.
In this insightful episode, Dr. Amy joins host Jill to delve into the intricate relationship between trauma, the body, and healing. They explore the concept of creating a safe environment for healing, the importance of understanding trauma at a biological level, and practical approaches to managing trauma. Key Discussions ① Introduction to Trauma and Healing:
In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of C15, a newly recognized essential fatty acid, and its implications for longevity and health. Our guest, a leading expert in the field, Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson shares her insights into the discovery and significance of C15, drawing connections between human health and findings from dolphin studies. Website - https://fatty15.com/JILLCARNAHAN Key Discussions: ① The Discovery of C15:
Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan! In this powerful episode, Dr. Jill is joined by Coach Shane Niemeyer, a renowned strength and conditioning coach, speaker, and author of The Hurt Artist. Together, they explore how exercise can serve as powerful medicine—not only transforming the body but also rewiring the mind. Shane shares his incredible personal journey from incarceration and addiction to becoming a respected coach and expert in exercise physiology. Discover how movement and mindset helped him reclaim his life and now guide his work helping others achieve resilience and peak performance. Key Discussions: ① Shane's Personal Journey:
In this compelling episode of Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, special guest Dr. Terri Fox dives into the crucial topic of how to reclaim your health after mold-related illness. The discussion explores the root causes and rising prevalence of mold toxicity, as well as Dr. Fox's structured, two-phase detoxification protocol. Key Discussions: ① Introduction to Mold Issues:
In this empowering episode of Resiliency Radio, Dr. Jill Carnahan sits down with Dr. Christina Rahm to explore the hidden health challenges rooted in our environment. From her small-town beginnings in Dexter, Missouri, to her groundbreaking work in health innovation and detoxification, Dr. Rahm shares how personal experiences with environmental toxins shaped her mission. Learn how knowledge, mentorship, and sustainable practices can transform both individual well-being and global health. A must-watch for anyone seeking deeper insight into integrative health, empowerment, and purpose-driven science. Key Discussions: ① Environmental Health and Personal Journey:
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In this informative discussion, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Brian Tuckey explore how Fascial Counterstrain can provide relief and healing by addressing the fascial systems within the body. Discover how this technique uniquely targets the arterial, venous, visceral, neural, lymphatic, and musculoskeletal components to alleviate chronic pain, inflammation, and improve function. Key Concepts/Questions:
Welcome to another insightful episode of Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan! In this episode, we delve into the Longevity Code for Health, Resilience, and A Purpose Driven Life with the esteemed Dr. Z. If you're passionate about living a long, healthy, and meaningful life, this conversation is a must-watch. Key Points:
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