Podcasts about Chicago Seven

“Barbarella … Moi Jane ! Toi Vadim”Description de l'épisode Si l'épisode vous a plu, ou si vous faîtes partie de la ligue de protection des Roger Vadim en liberté et que vous voulez faire avaler son bulletin de naissance à CausmicBeast pour un petit mot, une bafouille, une critique … un seul mail causmicbeast@gmx.frNous sommes de retour pour un film oublié (mais qui a créé toute une esthétique et plein de rejetons !) mais est il pour le coup oubliablePour en deviser… pendant 3h10… (respectez la posologie) il ne faut rien moins que● Isa lit https://bsky.app/profile/isabraindead.bsky.social● Dany https://bsky.app/profile/winnytaniguchi.bsky.social● Holly https://bsky.app/profile/hollydupodcast.bsky.social● Chris https://bsky.app/profile/chrisyukigami.bsky.social● CausmicBeast https://bsky.app/profile/causmicbeast.bsky.social Les liens mais moins que d'habitude car comme dirait le sage, “donne un lien par jour à un être humain, il sachoira un jour, apprends lui à chercher sur le net, il sachoira tous les jours !!!” La page imdb de Barbarella sans laquelle un épisode d”Entre ! Geek ne serait pas pas un épisode … où on fait croire que l'on sait (Enfin surtout CausmicBeast cycle de la culture : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_BanksLes editions de bd de gare elvi france https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElvifranceLoi sur le classement X : 1975 et Giscard … https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classement_XLes yeux de Caroline Monroe dans Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter https://youtu.be/i8Idq-SDBOA?si=NvitaijrmHAYuCj7 La pause musicale : Brandon Tenold https://youtu.be/DDXpTV1yjaU?si=5Dcq8V6ODTmpohtD sur des images de Caroline Monroe Paco rabanne chez Ardisson, sa perte “d'innocence” dans la terre … https://youtu.be/o1ga9n6lg5s?si=MB55NLzXhQC7kEfU Austin Power et les femmes robots https://youtu.be/ZxWv2U9QwWY?si=UDIBmtvvPzyN71ZU Jean Claude Forest : faites vous votre avis ….https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceculture/podcasts/toute-une-vie/mysterieux-matin-midi-et-soir-jean-claude-forest-1930-1998-6823266 mais aussi https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Forest et allez en bibliothèque (numérique ou non) consulter ses oeuvres https://media.gqmagazine.fr/photos/5b991d8c479e940011a7257a/master/w_1920%2Cc_limit/barbarella_planche_jpg_1618.jpg Interlude musical Brigitte Bardot Contact (écrit par Gainsbourg en 1968… tiens donc) https://youtu.be/_xSRUi8sOoc?si=gOzgsCJ9i-LiE7D5 une ex de Roger Vadim dans une robe de Paco Rabanne (kamoulox !)l'anejaculation : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/An%C3%A9jaculation et son pendant insultant, le peine à jouir : https://www.le-dictionnaire.com/definition/peine-%C3%A0-jouir Blow out d'antonioni : https://youtu.be/7LA8U703G_s?si=f87s4TEY7IFC2bUL (Herbie Hancock) Jane Fonda Reine de Cannes C à Vous , 14/05/24 https://youtu.be/vzsoCDCTVig?si=RuYJE_xuC40dzdti L'apérobic 1983 les charlots https://youtu.be/kBkBBsAxIls?si=szKhSmBI8KnGklgs car il faut bien se moquer des vidéos d'aérobic car elles nous auront donné un film avec Travolta et Jamie Lee Curtis (1985).... comment dire : Perfect https://youtu.be/3__KVRByk7M?si=G8kk6JX_YA_ITrwp Tom hayden https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hayden et les 7 de Chicago https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(s%C3%A9rie_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9e_d%27animation) son générique en vo https://youtu.be/BcGnchQrvpg?si=BbLQrCxlGo7vfvtV ou la version française https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXt_I7bLdpY par Paul Persavon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_CaunesObjectif nul https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectif_Nul https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RanXerox et chabat (1996 tome 3 amen) https://www.bdfugue.com/serie/ranx?srsltid=AfmBOoprH6g5l4LQ6OyZ6JWRrUt_2n7kAYceHfpcqHpPelA9BMke7IHB Proto San Ku Kai : les évadés de l'espace https://youtu.be/AeX6KqNFx5k?si=kHXRiWdiEi3_3gfg Histoires extraordinaires : film à sketches de Vadim, Malle et Fellini, 1968 : bande annonce francaise https://youtu.be/OktYLIAmWL8?si=eBsgvBmVLBg7rzvs et la partie Vadim …Le film est visionnable (mais à peine ) sur youtube à cette adresse mais on ne vous a rien dit ! https://youtu.be/M7RNKci2kzs?si=U2wzgFz-jTXGB6ba Dany qui forcément met son Vampirella partout https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampirella (il nous a déja fait le coup lors de Buckaroo Banzai….) Il ne s'arrête pas là et vous confie ces liens (faîtes en bonne usage ou bon visionnage) la vidéo contestable du fossoyeur de films qui est passé à côté du fait queBarbarella est avant tout une comédie (c'est Dany qui le dit ….) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhX8gFGALc la vidéo plus intéressante ( avec l'anecdote Hawkman)... ouf CausmicBeast, pour une fois ne s'est pas trompé https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZ7jAEghYM&pp=ygULIGJhcmJhcmVsbGE%3D Dany vous conseille de jeter un oeil, voire deux sur le comics Barbarella de sarah hoyt et lucio parillo, histoire d'avoir une vision moins enfin plus … enfin vous voyez que JC Forresthttps://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/viewProduct.html?PRO=C72513030812201131https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B09PR73SB9?binding=paperback&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk PS : si vous avez plus de 18 ans, et que les travaux d'électricité sur adultes consentants vous intéresse …. Électro stimulation érotique https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lectrostimulation_%C3%A9rotique#:~:text=L'%C3%A9lectro%2Dstimulation%20%C3%A9rotique%20a,d'%C2%AB%20exercice%20passif%20%C2%BB .La bande dessinée Barbarella de J. Forest https://www.humano.com/serie/367 Musique de fin: Barbarella(1991) The 69 Eyes … un groupe de hard finlandais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_69_Eyes Love … comme dirait Jane ㅤ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢀⣤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆ ⣠⣶⣿⣶⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⣾⣿⣿⣧⠀⠻⣿⣿⠿⠉⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠈⠛⠿⣿⣿⡟ ⠀⠀⣀⣤⣤⣄⡤⠤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⢋⠅⣜⣋⣋⣓⡛⡿⣲⡀⠀⣠⣶⠋⢋⡉⡈⡉⡙⢟⣇⠀⠀⢠⣯⢊⢎⡥⠤⠤⠤⢌⣉⠑⣛⣆⣎⣗⠭⠥⠤⠤⢄⡁⠓⣽⡵⡀⢸⡇⡞⡏⠉⠁⠉⠑⠒⠤⠭⣦⣿⡗⡡⠚⠉⠉⠉⠉⠙⣧⣸⣼⡇⠀⣧⢿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⡇⡝⡅⠀⢙⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⢱⢫⠅⠀⠀⢻⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀

This week Mo Sting from Hot Dockets and I discuss the trial of the Chicago Seven. So much laughter. Show Notes: Conspiracy in the Streets The Extraordinary Trial of the Chicago Seven The Chicago Conspiracy Trial Time: ‘Violence Was Inevitable': How 7 Key Players Remember the Chaos of 1968's Democratic National Convention Protests Chicago History Museum:The Chicago 7 Trial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Democratic National Convention is this week in Chicago. Lots of action inside and outside the convention hall. Bob and Scott discuss the 1968 Democratic National Convention (and 1968 in a bigger context) and discuss the politics of today's convention as the Biden-Harris administration continues to support Israel's genocide in Gaza. -------------------------- Outro- "Chicago" by Graham Nash Links// +G&R: Noam Chomsky on the Democrats in 1972 (https://bit.ly/3FLpf3p) +Green and Red review's "The Trial of the Chicago Seven" (https://bit.ly/3YSMEuq) Follow Green and Red// +G&R Linktree: ⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/greenandredpodcast⁠⁠⁠ +Our rad website: ⁠⁠⁠https://greenandredpodcast.org/⁠⁠⁠ + Join our Discord community (https://discord.gg/MBjDvs69) Support the Green and Red Podcast// +Become a Patron at https://www.patreon.com/greenredpodcast +Or make a one time donation here: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/DonateGandR⁠⁠⁠ Our Networks// +We're part of the Labor Podcast Network: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.laborradionetwork.org/⁠⁠ +We're part of the Anti-Capitalist Podcast Network: linktr.ee/anticapitalistpodcastnetwork +Listen to us on WAMF (90.3 FM) in New Orleans (https://wamf.org/) This is a Green and Red Podcast (@PodcastGreenRed) production. Produced by Bob (@bobbuzzanco) and Scott (@sparki1969). Edited by Scott.

The political turbulence of the 1960s has been well documented. and one name that appears prominently in that story is Tom Hayden.One of the founders of the Students For a Democratic Society, Hayden was also a Freedom Rider in the south, fighting for civil rights, but also became one of the leading young voices against the Vietnam War. In the historically tumultuous 1968, Hayden was among several high profile demonstrators at the notorious Democratic National Convention in Chicago. They were eventually brought to trial and became known as The Chicago Seven. In this 1988 interview, Hayden discusses his memoir Reunion. Get Reunion by Tom HaydenAs an Amazon Associate, Now I've Heard Everything earns from qualifying purchases.You may also enjoy my interviews with Bobby Seale and William Kunstler For more vintage interviews with celebrities, leaders, and influencers, subscribe to Now I've Heard Everything on Spotify, Apple Podcasts. and now on YouTube #1968 #1960s #Vietnam War #Chicago Seven

This Vermont Conversation originally broadcast in April 2015.Tom Hayden was a leader of the student, civil rights, peace and environmental movements of the 1960s. He went on to serve 18 years in the California legislature. He was a founder of Students for a Democratic Society and was described by the NY Times as “the single greatest figure of the 1960s student movement.” Hayden died in October 2016 at the age of 76.During the Vietnam War, Hayden made controversial trips to Hanoi with his former wife, actress Jane Fonda, to promote peace talks and facilitate the release of American POWs. He helped lead street demonstrations against the war at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention, where he was beaten, gassed and arrested twice. Hayden was indicted in 1969 with seven others on conspiracy and incitement charges in what eventually became the Chicago Seven trial, considered one of the leading political trials of the last century (the trial began as the Chicago Eight but became the Chicago Seven when the case against codefendent Bobby Seale, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, was severed from the others). The trial was the subject of the 2020 Hollywood movie, “The Trial of the Chicago Seven,” in which Hayden was played by actor Eddie Redmayne.Hayden was Director of the Peace and Justice Resource Center in Culver City, California, and advised former California Gov. Jerry Brown on renewable energy. He was the author and editor of 20 books.I spoke with Hayden in March 2015 at the University of Michigan Ann Arbor, where Hayden spoke at the 50th anniversary of the first Vietnam War teach in held on a US college campus.I asked Hayden what he was proudest of in his long career of activism. "Living this long and being able to have children and grandchildren, and to observe the spread of participatory democracy and to see — despite all the failures of the left and the lack of organization, the infighting, the sectarianism, the feuds — that wave after wave of young people keep coming," he replied."I'm proudest of the fact that there's some instinct in being human that aspires to greater things than your parents had, a better world than the one that you were born into." 

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Our country, at the hands of the Left, is falling apart. There is no center. It is as though termites have eaten away the foundation as we allowed so many activists to dismantle their “systems of oppression,” otherwise known as our heroes, our history, our movies, our achievements, our books, our poetry, our art. If America built it, it is corrupt, say the Woketopians.We've seen them edging ever so close to violence as a means to an end. We've ignored the warning signs because it was so much easier to demonize and dehumanize Trump and MAGA, and now, I fear, we're heading into the danger zone.We've been here before. Right around the time of the Manson murders in 1969, the silent majority was waking up to what the Left had become, something not unlike today's Left.In March of 1970, as the Manson trials were getting underway, the New York Times wrote an expose of the radical Left's Weather Underground:The outbreak of explosions at a variety of establishment targets— corporate offices, police stations, draft and induction centers and the like—underscores a new mood among frustrated radicals. It appears to have been intensified by the outcome of the trial of the Chicago Seven as well as the various pending Black Panther trials.One letter by the Weather Underground reads as follows:“To work for the industries of death is to murder. To know the torments Amerika inflicts on the Third World, but not to sympathize and identify, is to deny our own humanity. It is to deny our right to love—and not to love is to die. We refuse. In death‐directed Amerika there is only one way to a life of love and freedom: to attack and destroy the forces of death and exploitation and to build a just society—revolution.”Charles Manson parroted these talking points to brainwash his cult. His words are indistinguishable from theirs, though noticeably less articulate. When Manson had his followers scrawl the words “death to pigs” in the blood of their victims, it was meant to throw law enforcement off track and blame Black radicals.As horrific as that sounds, we're seeing echoes of that kind of mindset in today's young, whipped up into a frenzy they can't quite control. Get full access to Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone at sashastone.substack.com/subscribe

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Guest: From Italy Jay Pridmore We can talk about Sears Tower (photo of book) a little... hope I am still an expert, and about Modern Beyond Style (Photo of book), which is about Larry Booth, who was an important member of the Chicago Seven group of architects in the 1970s. Jay Pridmore Jay Pridmore is the author or coauthor of many books, including Chicago Architecture and Design, University of Chicago: The Campus Guide, Shanghai: The Architecture of China's Great Urban Center, and The American Bicycle. He has worked as a journalist in Chicago and has written extensively about architecture.

Our guest is Larry Booth, founder of Booth Hansen Architects and a member of the original "Chicago Seven" group of architects who broke away from the Miesian acolytes dominating the discourse in Chicago at the end of the 1970s. He has a new monograph by Jay Pridmore called "Modern Beyond Style." We chat about postmodernism, pluralism, and the sensibilities that have made his work timeless, even as he has transitioned from the "young Turk" to "the establishment." -- Intro/Outro: "Chicago" by Sufjan Stevens -- Discussed: "One Hundred Years of Architecture in Chicago" exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary Art, 1973 the Chicago Architectural Club & "Chicago Architects" exhibition, 1976 Time Life Building, Harry Weese, 1969 Museum of Contemporary Art - Larry Booth, 1978 Museum of Contemporary Art - Josef Paul Kleihues, 1996 Krannert Art Museum, Champaign, IL - Booth Hansen, 1985 The Whites (the New York Five) The Grays Computer Design Research and Learning Center, University of Illinois at Chicago Philip Johnson, cover of Time Magazine, Jan. 8, 1979, with the drawing for the AT&T Building, New York Paul Hansen, the "business side" of Booth Hansen

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2023 is cutting the line so that we can get in on the hype train. Brad Garoon and Jake Ziegler discuss the cinematic phenomenon that is Barbenheimer. Technically, this fits the rules of the podcast and neither guy, nor anyone else in the world, had seen Barbie or Oppenheimer until now. Join them as they tackle the gorgeous set design, bombastic and cutting humor, and feminist throughline of Greta Gerwig's Barbie. What, you don't want to hear two middle aged men talk about feminism? Well that's all we have on offer. They also offer massive praise for the performances of Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling, and the rest of the Barbie cast. Then they dive into the triumph of Oppenheimer, how the rest of Christopher Nolan's career informed the film, what it was like watching the movie through a Jewish lens, and the technical and artistic achievements of the film. Movies mentioned in this episode: Chef (2014), The Truman Show (1998), Pee Wee's Big Adventure (1985), White Noise (2022), The Matrix (1999) Air (2023), A Serious Man (2009), Uncut Gems (2019), Following (1998), Memento (2002), Inception (2010), Dunkirk (2017), Tenet (2020), Molly's Game (2017), The Trial of the Chicago Seven (2020), The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943), Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One (2023), 12 Angry Men (1957), The Last Duel (2021), Truman (1995), Killers of the Flower Moon (2023), Dune Part 2 (2023), Black Panther (2018), Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022).

This episode examines The Trial of the Chicago 7 (2020), written and directed by Aaron Sorkin, with an all-star cast, including Sacha Baron Cohen, Jeremy Strong, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Mark Rylance, and Frank Langella. The film is based on the 1969 trial of Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, and other anti-Vietnam War protestors prosecuted for conspiracy in connection with the mass protests —and brutal crackdown by police—at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. (The eighth defendant, Bobby Seale, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, was severed from the case after being bound and gagged in the courtroom on the judge's order). Our guest is Gerald Lefcourt, who not only is a leading criminal defense attorney, but also was part of the original defense team at the trial and represented Abbie Hoffman for over two decades.Timestamps:0:00 Introduction3:33 Meeting Abbie Hoffman 8:06 Nixon targets the Chicago 7 (then Chicago 8)11:58 The defense team13:25 The egregious treatment of Bobby Seale  22:45. Judge Hoffman: off his rocker25:54  The genius of Abbie Hoffman and the art of political theater30:36 David Dellinger and the MOBE31:59  Abbie, Tom Hayden, and dueling strategies on the left37:21  Abbie: “We have to steal the headlines”41:22  Abbie takes on the CIA43:50  Abbie and Jerry Rubin46:04  The celebrity witnesses48:08  What Aaron Sorkin missed51:33  Abbie's excellent tennis game55:37  Losing battles and winning wars in political cases59:53 The Chicago 7 trial's relevance today1:02:31  Abbie's later career1:07:09  Abbie's final speech Further Reading:Hancock, Catherine, “Race and Disorder: The Chicago Eight Trial Judge and Prosecutors Meet the Constitution and Bobby Seale,” 96 Tul. L. Rev. 819 (2022)Levine, Mark L. & Greenberg, Daniel eds., The Trial of the Chicago 7: The Official Transcript (2020)Levenson, Laurie L., “Judicial Ethics: Lessons from the Chicago Eight Trial,” 50 Loy. U. Chi. L.J. 879 (2019)Linder, Douglas O. “The Chicago 8 Conspiracy Trial,” http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Chicago7/Account.htmlMailer, Norman, Miami and the Siege of Chicago (1968)Sims, David, “Aaron Sorkin's New Film Is the Right Story for This Moment,” The Atlantic (Oct. 16, 2020), https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/10/trial-of-the-chicago-7-aaron-sorkin-netflix/616755/Schultz, John, The Conspiracy Trial of the Chicago Seven (2020)Stevens, Dana, “The Trial of the Chicago 7 Is Timely, a Little Sexist, and a Lot of Fun,” Slate, Oct. 14, 2020, https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/trial-chicago-7-review-aaron-sorkin-movie-netflix.htmlWeiner, Jon, Conspiracy in the Streets: The Extraordinary Trial of the Chicago EightLaw on Film is created and produced by Jonathan Hafetz. Jonathan is a professor at Seton Hall Law School. He has written many books and articles about the law. He has litigated important cases to protect civil liberties and human rights while working at the ACLU and other organizations. Jonathan is a huge film buff and has been watching, studying, and talking about movies for as long as he can remember. For more information about Jonathan, here's a link to his bio: https://law.shu.edu/faculty/full-time/jonathan-hafetz.cfmYou can contact him at jonathanhafetz@gmail.comYou can follow him on X (Twitter) @jonathanhafetz You can follow the podcast on X (Twitter) @LawOnFilm

Randy Credico is a political and social justice activist and broadcaster. Formerly in the 1970s and 80s he was a comic and political satirist on the comedy circuit, once appearing on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. In the mid-1980s, having befriended the famous constitutional Attorney William Kunstler, perhaps best known for representing the Chicago Seven and the American Indian Movement in the aftermath of the Wounded Knee incident, Randy became active in anti-imperialist and anti-war issues. He was the director of the William Kunstler Fund for Racial Justice, and later has also run for the Senate against Chuck Schumer, for Mayor of New York and against Andrew Cuomo for the governorship. For years he has supported the release of Julian Assange. Randy recently returned from a trip to Moscow, Russia and the Donbas region in the liberated part of Ukraine, which we will discuss together.  He hosts the show "Live on the Fly", which can be heard every Monday at 10 am on the Progressive Radio Network, and on WBAI every Wednesday at 2:30 pm. 

The 1960s were a period of economic prosperity. But according to historian Michael Kazin, that economic growth had a side effect, setting in motion today's culture wars. Binge all episodes early and ad-free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/americanscandalPlease support us by supporting our sponsors!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Chicago Seven secure a star witness. The jury returns with a verdict.Binge all episodes early and ad-free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/americanscandalPlease support us by supporting our sponsors!BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/AS and get on your way to being your best self.Audible: New members can try Audible free for 30 days. Visit Audible.com/AS or text AS to 500500.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Department of Justice brings charges against activists from the Chicago protests. With the trial underway, violence erupts in the courtroom.Binge all episodes early and ad-free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/americanscandalPlease support us by supporting our sponsors!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Protesters descend on Chicago for the Democratic National Convention. Their goal: pressure the Democrats to stop supporting the Vietnam War. But as the activists begin their rally, Chicago police mount an aggressive response.Binge all episodes early and ad-free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/americanscandalSupport us by supporting our sponsors!Audible: New members can try Audible free for 30 days. Visit Audible.com/AS or text AS to 500500.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Famous for defending the Chicago Seven and his involvement at Attica and Wounded Knee, attorney William Kunstler had an outsize personality and a tremendous appetite for life. In the play “Kunstler,” tensions flare when he arrives on a college campus to give a seminar. The brilliant young law student assigned to introduce him objects to his appearance and is determined to confront him. “Kunstler” will run at Universal Preservation Hall in Saratoga Springs, New York February 3-5.

Welcome back to episode 2! This week Riley and Brenna cover a huge conspiracy from 1969. No, not that Stanley Kubrick helped fake the moon landing. Not the Chicago Seven conspiracy either. Not even "The Capitalist Conspiracy" directed by G. Edward Griffin. This week, we're talking the supposed death and look-alike replacement of Sir Paul McCartney. So turn on, tune in, drop out- and let us know if we've ruined The Beatles for you forever.

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The New York Times once labeled William Kunstler "America's most controversial lawyer." What earned him that distinction was his defense of the so-called "Chicago Seven," a group of young radicals who tried to disrupt the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. But the Chicago Seven were hardly Kunstler's most controversial clients. He also represented clients ranging from Jack Ruby to U.S. Marine and Russian spy Clayton Lonetree, to the man known as The Blind Sheikh, the man behind the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. I met William Kunstler in 1994, when he wrote his autobiography, a book titled My Life As a Radical Lawyer.

Mike: I assure you there are fascists in the US. [Theme song] Nazi SS UFOs Lizards wearing human clothes Hinduism's secret codes These are nazi lies Race and IQ are in genes Warfare keeps the nation clean Whiteness is an AIDS vaccine These are nazi lies Hollow earth, white genocide Muslim's rampant femicide Shooting suspects named Sam Hyde Hiter lived and no Jews died Army, navy, and the cops Secret service, special ops They protect us, not sweatshops These are nazi lies Mike: One of the more pernicious lies I hear about US fascism is that it doesn't exist, particularly in the present day. So I'm here today with journalist and sociologist Dr. Spencer Sunshine, PhD from CUNY's Grad School. Spencer has written for Colorlines, Truthout, and The Daily Beast and has an organizing guide out through PopMob called 40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists. Thanks for coming on the pod. Spencer Sunshine: Thanks for having me on the show, Mike. Mike: Of course! So Spencer's here to talk about the American Nazi Party; its successor, the National Socialist White People's Party; and its remnants today. So let's start with a brief history of US fascism before the American Nazi Party. Spencer: Sure, so fascism as an actual political current is about 100 years old in the United States. The first Nazi group, or Nazi cell, in the United States formed in 1922 by German expats in the Bronx. And there were probably earlier groups that were Italian Fascist groups. Like many radical political traditions that started in Europe, in the United States these were first brought to the country by immigrants from Europe. If we look further than that, if we use fascism as a broader term involving any organized white supremacist groups, of course we'd easily go back to the 1860s and the Ku Klux Klan and similarly styled far right groups go back in the United States well before that. So fascism is a longstanding political tradition in our country. It's a century old. The fact that people can't acknowledge this shows something interesting about the psyche of the United States where people just can't admit that there are radical political movements here, or that such a noxious political movement such as fascism could take fairly, what looks like permanent roots in our country. Mike: Okay, so let's talk about the American Nazi Party itself. How was it founded? What did it do? Spencer: So before the war there were two groups that were pro-Nazi. There was the German American Bund, who were tied to the Nazi Party in various ways; and an American group called the Silver Shirts. As you may imagine, during the war, nazism became taboo in the country. A lot of the leaders were arrested. After the war it took quite a while for, what then became neo-nazism, neo-nazi groups to establish themselves. There was a group called the National States Rights Party who mostly recruited from Klan members and were the core organizers for nazis, but they did not say on the– On the outside of the package it did not say that; although on the inside it was. So the American Nazi Party was sort of special because it was the first group to openly declare itself a nazi group and to, the phrase they used was, “raise the swastika,” to actually appear in public. You know, at the time they used the old stormtrooper uniforms, these brown uniforms with a swastika armband. You rarely see it these days, but this was pretty common through the early 90s for nazi groups to do this. So the American Nazi Party was founded in 1959. There was a precursor group in 1958 by George Lincoln Rockwell. He had done advertising; was very good. And came from a vaudeville family. This is a really crazy story, but Bob Hope was actually at his christening. He used these advertising techniques to form this group. It was designed to get media attention, and the idea was for him that conservatives could never become radical enough and could never really attract the people they needed. So by using this imagery, he could attract the kinds of people that he wanted, and he could use the presence of nazis– He used to say, “No one can ignore nazis marching in the streets.” –use this public image to gain media attention which he could then use as a recruiting tool. The party was never very big. It continued through the 60s. They did a lot of– It was almost an agitprop kind of project. The kind of murders that we associate with the nazi movement these days– They had punch ups at rallies and stuff. But the kind of violence and murders that we associate with neo-nazism these days did not come until later, which is an interesting thing. He was assassinated by a fellow party member in 1967. Right before then he had changed his organizing strategy. He had a very successful rally in Marquette Park, Chicago, which was actually against Martin Luther King's plan to desegregate. It was some of his late marches doing housing desegregation in Chicago. It was in an Eastern European neighborhood, a lot of Eastern European immigrants who were resisting Black Chicagoans from moving into their neighborhood. Thousands of people came to this rally. He then changed his tack a bit. He renamed the party the National Socialist White People's Party which is a mouthful, and we'll call it the NSWPP from now on. And he renamed the party newspaper to White Power which is the slogan we know today that he coined. So it was a move from being an antisemitic nazi party to kind of being an aggressive white nationalist party because it was the first time that he had drawn a lot of grassroots support. He was assassinated. He was replaced by his subordinate Matt Koehl. At first it was three people. It was Robert Lloyd, Koehl, and William Pierce (Who's important. He later formed his own party called the National Alliance. Mike: We'll talk about them in a bit. Spencer: And he wrote a very influential book called The Turner Diaries. These three that ran the party for a while, and then, what's a nazi party without a führer? Or tin pot führer at least? Kicks the other two out. And runs the party until his death a few years ago. In 1983 the party became called New Order and actually degenerated into a Hitler-worshipping, almost private Hitler-worshipping cult. It still exists. Koehl died a few years ago and was replaced by his subordinate Martin Kerr. Mike: So before we talk about the remnants today, I want to talk about some of the splinter groups that formed in the 70s. I'm thinking the second NSLF, the National Alliance that you mentioned, the NSPA, the NSWWP. Spencer: A mouthful of alphabet soup. Mike: Yes. Spencer: So the importance of Koehl taking control is that Rockwell was a very charismatic guy. A lot of his followers really adored him. They ended up fetishizing him almost as a god-like figure. The way they had– Some of them, you know, praised him the way they had Adolf Hitler before him. In the post-war period, people had started almost worshipping and sometimes literally worshipping Hitler and made altars to him and treated him as a kind of demigod. So Koehl did not have charisma and acted in ways that alienated most of his party membership. Over the years, especially between 1973 and 1974, a lot of the party members left; the active units, they called them units the chapters, left and formed their own groups. And this became very important because this is what laid the groundwork for there to be a decentralized neo-nazi movement in the United States, the kind of which we see today. So it laid the epistemological foundation for it because before there had been a single party, a single organization with chapters. Now there were all these separate groups that had different relationships with them and that could pursue different strategies. And they did pursue different strategies. So the first big split was in 1970 when William Pierce is kicked out. This takes a little while for the real splintering to happen. So the first group I'll talk about is the National Socialist Liberation Front because their influence can be felt today on the alt-right, on the terrorist wing of the neo-nazis today. It was originally the name was used in the late 60s as a college student group that William Pierce actually ran that was associated with the party. They were trying to take off the energy of the New Left. You know, there were a lot of liberation fronts was a popular name for armed new left groups. This was an attempt to recruit college students. It only got one good organizer which we can talk about later which was David Duke. It was never an independent entity. The name was revived in 1974 when, probably the best organizer in the United States, Joseph Tommasi, who was based in Los Angeles, was suspended by the party, and he founded his own group. They used the NSLF name. Mike: Can you talk about why he was suspended? Spencer: He was– There's a lot of discussion about this. Accusations that he was– Some of it was cultural clashes within the nazis. He was pulling off the counterculture. He had long hair. They didn't like to dress in uniform. They wore like fatigues and stuff. He was accused of bringing his girlfriends over to the party headquarters. Koehl was making all of the party members (They had bought their own headquarters. This was a time they still had physical headquarters was an emphasis.) sell their headquarters. They made all the chapters sell their headquarters buildings and give the proceeds to Koehl which angered a lot of people and caused a lot of these splits because the people themselves had bought them, and they just thought he was trying to enrich himself which he probably was. He was basically shutting the party down and making a cult around himself and taking all the money. But there was a very interesting– What probably really prompted it is– It's attached to the Watergate scandal. Someone in the C.R.E.E.P. (The group, the Nixon support group that got involved in Watergate, it was an acronym for them.) hired Tommasi's nazis to help get another far right, a little more moderate, party on the ballot in California to pull votes away from Republicans. This was the American Independent Party. It has a funny history. It comes out of the George Wallace campaigns earlier. Then later, I think Cliven Bundy from the Bundy ranch actually joined. Remnants of the party exist today and have attracted people from the militia movement. [Spencer's correction to this story: https://twitter.com/transform6789/status/1388206831630180362?s=19] Anyway, these nazis were hired by Republicans to get another far right party on the ballot to pull votes away in a certain election. I forget the details now. I'm sorry. The party– Koehl was angry that he had made this deal. This made the newspapers. It made the New York Times and stuff. This angered the party that he had done this without their permission. And they took money from it. So that may have been– A lot of more serious people think that was the actual reason for the initial suspension. And then there was a break when Tommasi formed his own group. The NSLF was important because they openly advocated armed resistance and bombings and such and did do a few of these, although rather moderate in Los Angeles. This was a break from the parent party which always stressed legality. While there had been violent currents in it, they were really kept kind of under the rug, and it was just a sort of wing of the party of certain people including William Pierce. And then Tommasi didn't last long, though. He was killed in a scuffle with members of the former party at his former headquarters. He accosted one and the guy had this kid, an 18-year-old, and he shot him. Tommasi again, another charismatic organizer, founded this group, but didn't last long. That group however did continue it had four different leaders and continued until 1986. James Mason, who we'll talk about later, joined that group after Tommasi's passing. Mike: Okay so that's the NSLF. What about the National Alliance? Spencer: The National Alliance is a group founded by William Pierce after he got kicked out of the NSWPP. He was flirting with Willis Carto, another major nazi leader who became, amongst other things, the main popularizer of Holocaust denial in America. They had a falling out. Carto had a falling out with everyone. Pierce founded– The group was originally the National Youth Alliance, then became the National Alliance. It was a membership based group. They tried to recruit professionals. Pierce had been an engineering professor out in Oregon before he joined the party. He was very articulate. He did not have the sort of crass approach, you know. He produced more sophisticated propaganda as well as sort of more interesting theoretical documents. So they continued. The remnants of the group exists today. They had up to a thousand members. They ended up having a huge group property out in West Virginia. It was the headquarters building. He lived there. He wrote a book in the 70s called The Turner Diaries which is a really badly written book. It's a fantasy novel about how some white supremacists will form a terrorist movement, and they will help promote a race war, through terrorism will promote a race war in America. And you know this will end up in the Day of the Rope where the white supremacists kill people of color and Jews and create a white ethnostate. It's a tremendously popular book around the world. It's sold up to a half a million copies. You can still get it today. It still inspires people today. So Pierce's group, they didn't do a lot of public actions especially till later in life.  Although, their probably biggest rally was in 2002. It was a supposedly pro-Palestine rally in Washington, D.C., that blamed Israel for 9/11, and hundreds of people came to it. They tended to shy away from this stuff. But it was the biggest group, and the most serious group, in the United States for many years. After Pierce died, of course they tried to continue the group and everyone broke up into squabbling. One of the main organizers who's come out of it who's still active today is Billy Roper who's part of the Shield Wall project in Arkansas. I think there's one chapter left. The headquarters of the party still exists. There's been a bunch of legal fights with everyone engaged in lawsuits and various other physical conflicts with each other, and the group has sort of degenerated. So that's the second one, that's the National Alliance. Mike: Okay, so let's talk about–you actually mentioned this on Twitter kind of the other day–the NSPA. Spencer: The NSPA actually was another one of the early splinters that left in 1970. Led by a fellow named Michael Collin. [The name is actually Frank Collin -Mike] They were based in Chicago. They had seen or taken part in Rockwell's popular organizing in Marquette Park in the 60s, and they didn't understand why the party wouldn't follow up with that. And that's what they wanted to do. Again, there was a fighting over the headquarters building. They split off formed their own group. A very small group until they started having rallies in Marquette Park that were still resisting desegregation and attracted community support. Basically, no one wanted to side with this white community that did not want Black people to move in, and they became their champions. And part of the– The thing here is that people in the neighborhood, there were a lot of like Ukrainian immigrants, people who had been from countries that were occupied by the Nazis, who were pro-Nazi. A lot of the areas the Nazis occupied people, you know what I mean, supported them. There were a lot of people, basically, with collaborationist backgrounds, and they didn't have a problem with this. And the nazis championed their cause. And they would hold large rallies in Marquette Park. Some of them attracted thousands of people. They became most famous for the Skokie incident which apparently is being forgotten today by younger people. but was known to everybody in the United States of a certain age. The Chicago city tried to stop them from having their Marquette rallies by putting a bunch of legal barriers. They had to have a huge insurance– Had to take insurance out to do it that was unaffordable. So to get around this they threatened a march in Skokie, Illinois, which was a largely Jewish suburb, wealthy suburb. A lot of Holocaust survivors lived there. Skokie resisted them through legal means. Eventually the case went to the Supreme Court. It was in the national news for like a year or so. It started in 1977. Went to the Supreme Court. The ACLU championed it. The ACLU had been defending nazis before this but this became what they're famous for. Their most famous case. The Supreme Court upheld that local cities could not put unreasonable blocks such as insurance requirements on political groups from marching including nazis. They couldn't stop them from using particular symbols or something. They attempted to ban that. So everyone knew there were neo-nazis in America. It also made the NSPA briefly the most important nazi group, neo-nazi group in America, because at this point there was all these splinter factions from the NSWPP and were all vying to be the most important group or to set up, or attract other groups to them, or to lead coalitions of them. There were different formulations of this. They all had, you know, weird relationships with each other as they were doing this. So the NSPA, because of this lawsuit and the attention it got, became the most popular of these groups, and certainly the most well known of these groups briefly. It eclipsed even the parent party for a while. So that was probably the high point of attention of neo-nazism in America in the 70s. Although, throughout the decade, nazis would consistently make the newspapers. They were a very small movement; had maybe a thousand people in the movement in the US. It became, unlike in the 60s, newspapers, the media started to really love them. So there's tons of coverage of various nazi splinter groups in the various cities for all of their actions. There's a documentary film called California Reich. You can watch it on YouTube. We'll talk about it in a minute. It's about a group in California and such. There was lots of stuff like that. These two things weren't outliers. Mike: Okay, so– Spencer: So Collin– Oh there's a funny ending to it. Collin and his people, they started running for alderman and like city council in Chicago. Some of them did quite well, got like 16% of the vote. But quickly the party started to wane in popularity. Collin's subordinates wanted to get rid of him, so they rifled through his desk and found child porn of him with young teenage boys. They turn him in to the police. He was arrested for child molestation. It also came out his father was a Jewish man who had been in a concentration camp. So there was some real deep stuff going on here. Even though he was a successful organizer, right, against the odds. He went to jail. He was replaced by Harold Covington. We can talk about Covington if we want. He's important in the Greensboro Massacre and then died only a few years ago. Remained an organizer. And then Covington was replaced by someone else and the party frittered away. But yeah, there was a real plot twist in that one after Skokie. Mike: Okay, do you want to talk about the NSWWP? Spencer: Sure, so this was a group– This was the California leader Allen Vincent. He, like everyone else, broke off of the parent party. Founded– He was important cause he was– He wasn't a charismatic organizer, but he could attract followers, and he really liked to get in street fights just as a person. He was a good, stable organizer unlike a lot of these people. Did a lot of crazy rallies in San Francisco. So of course there were fights at his events. At one point he opened a bookstore I believe in the Sunset neighborhood of San Francisco on the same block as a synagogue that a bunch of survivors went to. His bookstore was quickly burned down. He worked with James Mason. Worked with him for a while between 1978 and 1980. Was the editor of his paper The Stormer. Briefly, after the NSPA star faded, his group became a national group. This lasted a few years and it faded away like many of these other groups. So he was well known for the documentary California Reich was filmed about his group while it was still a chapter of the NSWPP before he broke away and became the NSWWP, just to totally confuse anybody about these acronyms. Mike: The National Socialist White– Spencer: White Workers Party. The original group is the National Socialist White People's Party. His group is the National Socialist White Workers Party. Although you might think they're more of an anticapitalist group from the parent party that wasn't true. He lived quite a while through the late 90s. He popped back up in the late 90s, met Jeff Shoep who at the time was running the National Socialist Movement, and became his mentor for a brief period of time. Then he passed away. Mike: Now let's talk about the groups that exist today or the various remnants of it today. So I was going to start with Don Black and Stormfront. Spencer: So Don Black was originally in the National Socialist Youth Movement. It was sort of part of the parent party for people who were under eighteen. There were all these names of these other groups, so people didn't– Their membership card didn't say American Nazi Party or NSWPP. You know he left like many other people. Many neo-nazis, almost all neo-nazis from the 70s were in the party at least at first. That was everybody's entre into this world. So he had been involved in the Dominica debacle. This was in 1981. A group of white supremacists were hired to invade the Caribbean island of Dominica and overthrow the government. They'd made a deal with the– The leader had been deposed and they were going to allow the white supremacists to keep a base there. They were turned in, of course, by somebody, and they all went to jail including Don Black. Later however, he founded Stormfront. It was an early– It wasn't the first at all, but it became the first very popular neo-nazi website. The important thing, it had all these forums where people could have discussions. And it was publicly available, so it was easy for reporters, especially, to go look at the discussions and be able to quote from them which became very important for its visibility. And this was the biggest neo-nazi or white nationalist website really until The Daily Stormer I believe in 2016-2017. So now it's a bit– If you look at it, it's clearly a web 1.0 website and looks a little old school. But it's still the main popular site throughout the 90s and the 00s. And it's still I think for people who are probably gen X and older who are white supremacists, it's still the place that they hang out at. So it had a very important place in the– You know, nazis and other white nationalists have always had a hard time because they were locked out–especially before social media in the last few years even–they were locked out of mainstream platforms. And they need to have alternative platforms. Nazis are actually early adopters to the bbs. The first Nazi or white supremacist bbs opened in 1983. It was actually founded by a former member of Hitler Youth that moved to the United States. And so they were very early adapters to this technology because it was a way for them to get around the media block out. I mean even if they printed newspapers, they couldn't sell them at newsstands. You know even these weird tankie communist sects could sell their newspapers at least some newsstands. Mike: Right. Okay so next up, I guess his story intersects with Don Black's story. We'll talk about occasional political candidate, former Klan leader, former NSLF member David Duke. Spencer: So Duke was a member of the original college student NSLF. He essentially took it over. He was at a party conference in the early 70s, and at this conference, they said NSLF will be– The group itself is changing its name to the White Student Alliance and Duke will be the leader. And this is interesting because it shows Duke's evolution from an outright neo-nazi– He went to school in Louisiana and would go do these free speech– There was a free speech zone, and he would go sell the NSLF newspaper and give neo-nazi speeches. It was a big– You know, he was very well known on campus for this and attracted a lot of attention. There's pictures of him in a Nazi uniform demonstrating against one of the lefty Jewish lawyers Kunstler who had gone to speak at his school. He had a sign that said “Gas the Chicago Seven” who was this left leaning, it was this left leaning political trial in the late 60s. So he took over this new group, and the group kept evolving. So it's originally the National Socialist Liberation Front; then it's the White Student Alliance; then it's the White Youth Alliance; and then it's the Nationalist Party. And then he forms a Ku Klux Klan group or joins one, it's a little vague, the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. And this is important because it shows his evolution from a nazi to a kind of white nationalist youth organizer– to a white nationalist student organizer to a white nationalist youth organizer to just a white nationalist organizer. So each time the pool is rippling out, and he's trying to find the right formula that attracts the most people, from very niche to much broader. He becomes– So he forms this newfangled Klan group that doesn't wear hoods, and he's very good with media. This was sort of a new thing to have somebody appear in media who was dressed nice and could talk well, wasn't trying to– You know, Rockwell had waved swastikas in people's faces and was trying to infuriate them, and Duke was doing exactly the opposite. Became very successful. Was very young. He was still in his twenties. He was running one of the more successful Klan groups. One of the things he's remembered for today, he started a Klan Border Watch on the California border to attempt to patrol for illegal immigrants. There he was working with Tom Metzger who later became popular for other things as well as Louis Beam. These were two white supremacist leaders in the 80's who promoted armed struggle. Were the most militant leaders. Started out in Duke's Klan. And as well as Don Black. And I believe Duke married Black's ex-wife. They were all entangled in these ways. So after the Klan stuff he starts running for office in Louisiana and does quite well. And at one point is elected state representative in Louisiana in 1989. This is sort of the high point of the wave of conservatism that goes along with Reagan's reign of power from 1980 to 88, which continues with Bush I to 92. There becomes a revival of popular mainstream American racism. And sort of white flight that had started is very ensconced. There's all these racial conflicts in the late 80s and early 90s like Howard Beach and the Hasidic Jewish and Black riots in Crown Heights. So there's an incredible amount of violent racial tension in the country at the time, and so he's sort of taking advantage of this. He runs for other offices, does quite well, but can't get elected again. And then he's mostly well known for this, and it's the slow burn for the next few decades. He was at Charlottesville which was an interesting moment. To me, this was a sort of handing of the torch from from him to Richard Spencer as the mainstream white nationalist leader. That's how I saw what went on. Although, you know, they didn't actually rally at Charlottesville. The rally itself was dispersed by the police before it began. There was no speeches or ceremony which he could do this, although there was some speeches in a park later. Mike: Let's talk about the National Socialist Movement. Spencer: Yes. The NSM was yet another splinter party. It was formed in 1975 by people who again had come out of the NSWPP. Robert Brannan was its leader. They were sort of going in different directions at the same time. Some of the elements, which included James Mason as well as a guy named Greg Hurls, wanted a more pro-armed struggle line. They were very close to the NSLF. Brannan wanted a more sort of traditional thing, what was called the “uniform and demonstrate” which meant that they would get people in nazi uniforms and hold a rally in public and attract a lot of media attention. People would come and protest and that would just spur that. One of the things they did–they were based in Ohio, southern Ohio–they used to hold a “Free Rudolph Hess” rally I think for over a dozen years in Cincinnati. He was a Nazi leader. He had parachuted to Britain with the intent of creating a peace deal with the British in the early 40s I believe, and then remained imprisoned until his death. I think he committed suicide in the– I think he died in the late 80s early 90s. He lived a long time in Spandau Prison. So this group had some popularity in the early-mid 70s. There was of course splintering of this as Mason left it and went to work with Allen Vincent's group.  And it remained a tiny group with one or two units until the 90s when the then-leader, second leader Clifford Harrington, recruited a teenager named Jeff Shoep. Harrington wasn't a great organizer, but he did, unlike some people, understood there was a revival in neo-nazism in the 80s and 90s through the skinhead thing and wanted to recruit nazi skinheads. Got Shoep to take the party over for him, and then Shoep grew it into the leading neo-nazi party in the United States. It had dozens of chapters in the 00s in particular. I think around 2006 was its height which is a very unusual time for it to be successful. Partly they were pulling from the rest of the movement. The National Alliance collapsed, and other groups in the movement collapsed and they were able to sort of steal their local units and absorb them. But that group still exists today. They were at Charlottesville. They make the news. They just were in the news. There was a rally in Arizona. They're the main group, if you want a nazi group that's going to go and march in uniforms or use nazi symbols–instead of the old brownshirt uniforms, they use black uniforms–and put swastikas on a flag to get attention, that's the group that will do that. So they are on their fourth leader now, Burt Colucci I believe, who like many of them just got arrested. A number of the members have murdered people over the years. A lot of people who– They're sort of the least together group. Yeah they're the kind of group that if you have some sort of countercultural affiliation, if you're not interested in being a professional organizer that you might want to join, if you're a biker, if you're like a skinhead, and if its important for you to have a card saying you belong to a nazi party and you want to yell at people in public that you're a nazi and beat your chest about that and talk about how much you love Adolf Hitler, this is the group for you. It's not a sophisticated organizing project. Mike: Alright, so you have a book in the works about this next one. Let's talk about James Mason, Universal Order, and Siege. Spencer: So I've been working on this book for a while. One day it will be done. James Mason was a teenage member of the American Nazi Party in the 1960s although he never met Rockwell. His mentor in the party was William Pierce. So he met Pierce when he was I believe sixteen years old. Pierce let Mason, who was having a hard time at home, run away from home and stay with him at the party headquarters. Taught him how to– Or got him to learn how to use a printing press which was important before computers. A lot of groups would physically produce their own newspapers themselves with their own printing presses. This helped him out since it was very difficult for nazis to find a printer that would print their publications. So he was in the American Nazi Party. He was in it as it became the NSWPP. He hung around for a while and didn't leave until later. But then he ended up starting to join these other splinter groups while staying in the party. He left in 76. By that time he had already helped form the NSM, and he had also joined secretly the NSLF. This was after Tommasi died, so under the second leader. And he was a supporter of the National Alliance. So at one point, he's a super insider who's like a member of four different neo-nazi parties. And he's always wrangling in the mid 70s as the different groups try to create– try to become the lead group or create an alliance of different groups to overtake the NSWPP. What unites them is that they all hate Koehl who's that leader. They can't do it, as I said before. The NSPA become the leader for a moment because of the Skokie incident. Mason fought with everyone. He did this thing you see from some activists who are sort of sectarian, is they get more and more theoretically specific and crankier and crankier; they fall out with more and more people until they run a project that's really just them and whoever is helping them directly. So he has a falling out with the NSM, and he joins Allen Vincent's group. Runs his newspaper, but he doesn't really like Vincent because he's not radical enough. Mason is deciding more and more that it's hopeless to do public organizing. He comes up with some very strange ideas, not just that nazis should engage in guerilla warfare, but at the time there starts to be these nazi serial killers. Nazis start doing these multiple murders, like Joseph Paul Franklin are serial killers. He killed up to 22 people. He was another former NSWPP member. Roved around he country as a sniper killing mixed race and other couples– Mixed race couples and others, Black people, Jews. And other people just start butchering people, either just doing these random murders or doing workplace massacres. One of the first of them was in New Rochelle by Fred Cowan in New Rochelle, New York. It's just north of New York City in 1977. And there's a lot of serial killers at this time. It's the height for serial killers in America. And so Mason comes up with this theory that not just is guerilla warfare good but these racially based murders are good by nazis and by others. And that the nazis can use them as an attempt to destabilize the system–he starts calling it the system–because nazis can never work through legal means to build a party that will be able to take over the system. He's like every time we try to do this, we get shut down. We either get shut down in the streets, or the courts shut us down, or just shut out of the media. That had been Rockwell's strategy was to attract media attention and build an organization. He's like, “We can't do any of that. We really don't need organization. We need mass chaos to disrupt the system, and only after the system is disrupted will nazis have a chance to take power. He eventually later on starts to praise armed radical left and Black nationalist groups who are coming into conflict with the system, which he doesn't in the 70s but he starts doing it in the 80s. So he has a falling out with Vincent. The NSLF, this is revived under its third leader in 1980, becomes public again. It had actually been absorbed into Allen Vincent's group and then it comes back out as a separate group. He restarts Siege. It's originally the NSLF newspaper. It's sort of their theoretical paper. But it's just him running it, and he's developing these ideas about how murder can be used to forward the nazi cause. Then he comes into contact with Charles Manson. Starts to promote that Manson should be the new nazi guru, just like George Lincoln Rockwell had been, just like Adolf Hitler had been. Portrays him as this spiritual racist figure. Manson had carved a swastika in his head in prison and was sympathetic. He mentions– A lot of people don't know he was extremely racist and antisemitic. This creates yet another tiff between James Mason and the people he's working with. The leader of the party at that point, the fourth leader Karl Hand, who by the way is a big fan of yours. Can I tell a story on your podcast? Mike: Yeah. Spencer: So do you know about the interest of Karl Hand in you? Mike: No. Spencer: Oh you don't? So I actually wrote– As part of this book, I'm writing people who were involved in this movement. And Karl Hand lives upstate, runs a party called the Racial Nationalist Party of America, and he was based for a long time in upstate New York. He is obsessed with you, Mike. After your appearance on Tucker Carlson, he wanted to have a fight with you. Like some sort of, go into a boxing ring, and have a fight. He's an older man now, he's in his 70s. And so I wrote him, and he sent back a whole packet of literature and it included a flier about you with a description of his attempts to contact you and arrange a fist fight with you. Mike: Huh… Spencer:  So you have a fan. You have a fan. I think he said he wrote to the school you were teaching at. Anyways you have a fan in this generation of neo-nazis. And so, anyway, Hand and Mason had a falling out. In what must have been unique in the anals of– the annals? I don't know. You can see I read a lot and don't know how to say certain words. In the history of American neo-nazism, they had an amicable split. Hand actually gave Mason some money to continue Siege. So after 1982 until 1986 Siege is just run by James Mason. It's a very small. It's like a newsletter. He printed it himself. It was six pages long. There was almost no graphics in it. It had a sort of red– It doesn't– Although Mason was a talented graphic designer, I think, it was very plain. It was mostly text. It had a red banner that was it. He ran it off on his own mimeograph machine. Made like 75 copies of it. So this small newsletter that was running 75 copies will become quite influential in retrospect. He ran this till 1986. After the split with the NSLF in 1982, Mason started saying it was published by the Universal Order which directly said that Charles Manson was their spiritual leader. Although, he didn't talk about Manson that much. He never describes what Manson's supposed to do other than, they're not just a neo-nazi group. It's neo-nazism and more. It was a kind of really spiritual national socialism. Although, he's never specific about what that means. But he clearly has been enchanted by Charles Manson and essentially become a follower of him. So this sort of peters out. He becomes more and more cynical. He even gives up that these random murders are going to do anything. He doesn't think that the system will be able to be destabilized, but he does advocate–and this is what's influential today– He says, “Either you can drop out and wait through the apocalypse,” you know that's coming. He becomes convinced that the whole system is going to crumble. And this sort of pessimism is very popular in the 80s across the political spectrum. Partly driven by the Cold War and the survivalist movement. But he says, “You can hide out and wait for the end to come, and then live through it, and we'll have our chance. Or if you're going to go be a terrorist, do it with style. Do it in a way– Don't just kill somebody and be killed. Do it in a way that has panache, and that will inspire people, and that's done well. Plan it well. Don't just freak out and shoot somebody and be killed by the police.” And this philosophy is what becomes popular with Atomwaffen remnants and others today. Like these are your two options. I think it was called “Total attack or total drop out.” By 1986, he's pretty burned out, and that's the end of it. Basically in short order, his book becomes– His newsletters become found by people in the industrial music scene, by Boyd Rice, who's this industrial musician, who's still alive today, and that denies all of this stuff that happened. He recruits several other people. He's in contact with Adam Parfrey, who founded Feral House Press which is still around today; [Michael] Moynihan, who was an industrial and then neo-folk musician; and Nicholas Schreck, a Satanist who's married to Anton LaVey's daughter Zeena. They all work to promote James Mason. They start publishing him in various things. Moynihan takes the newsletters and turns them into a book.which he publishes. It's an anthology of the newsletters. He publishes them himself called Siege in 1993. It becomes a cult classic. It's promoted by this network of people. Basically it's part of the punk rock and assorted underground music and cultural scene, there was a real right wing edge to it, part of which is a predecessor to the alt-right. People like Jim Goad who was the direct inspiration for people like Gavin McInnes of the Proud Boys. There's a lot of nazi imagery circulating, so actual nazis can function in the scene, and it's never clear who's using nazi imagery ironically, or with some interest in nazism but they're not an actual nazi, and who's an actual nazi. It's very unclear, and in this confusion, they can hide, circulate their things, and get some attention. And they do get attention with this book. It gets– There are interviews and it's covered in the alternative weekly newspapers, which were very popular at the time since the internet wasn't what it is now, many which had circulation in tens of thousands in different cities. So they were able to use this network to popularize James Mason's ideas. The book goes out of print. Gets reprinted in 2003 by a fellow in Montana. And he keeps it in circulation, and then it gets picked up with the alt-right, with the Iron March platform which is a discussion board that all these contemporary terrorists, alt-right terrorist groups, neo-nazi terrorist groups come out of, Atomwaffen and others come out of. And they reprint the book yet again. It continues to be circulated as a pro-terrorism cult classic. Mike: So do you think there are any other individuals or groups worth mentioning? Spencer: There are like scattered ones. There's a guy named Rocky Suhayda, I believe is his name who runs a group called the American Nazi Party. It used to get a lot of attention because he was good at using social media and various internet media. So people could always quote him and say the American Nazi Party says X or Y. Although, he was just a random NSWPP member. Art Jones came out of the party while he was in Chicago, and he's a sort of perennial candidate there. But in 2016, the Republicans failed to run someone against him in the primary. It was in a heavily Democratic district. And so in lieu of that he became the Republican candidate for– I forget what it was, US rep or something. And he's a nazi, a Holocaust denier. And so this was all in the news, you know “How is a Holocaust denier the Republican candidate?” This had been– This was a strategy that Nazis developed in the 70s. They would run for offices. Until the late 70s, it was a much more kind of benign movement in a way, not ideologically, but in their tactics, they had not moved into this murderous terrorism phase until a little later on. And so he continues that kind of– It's actually a toolbox of tactics that go back into the 60s: doing things that are kind of publicity stunts to get attention, one of which is running for office. So briefly Jones got in the press. He was in the press again. He tried to run again in 2020, but the Republicans finally like, they put somebody up. I mean, this is the problem, parties have limited resources. If you're putting someone up just to defeat somebody else in the primary even though you know you won't win in the general, that's a waste of your resources. It shows how nazis and other white supremacists can sort of drain resources from the mainstream in an attempt to just not let them get a foothold in the various places that they're trying to– In the various little cracks they're trying to stick their fingers in. Mike: And you mentioned Harold Covington. Do you want to talk about him too? Spencer: Sure. Covington died a couple years ago but had some influence even on the alt-right. He was again a member of the NSWPP. He had taken over the NSPA from Collin after he'd gotten Collin arrested for being a child molester and exposed him as of Jewish descent. Ran that party for a bit. He was also– Some members of his party–he was in North Carolina–took part in the Greensboro massacre in 1979 where a joint group of nazis and Klansmen had killed communists who unwisely held a “Death to the Klan” march but were not prepared for what they had prodded. He ran for attorney general around the same time in North Carolina, state attorney general, and got 40% of the vote. There are a few other instances like this where neo-nazis were able to get a huge amount of votes around this time period. This is around the period where Duke's– Well Duke's elected later, I guess. So he goes to this– He does all this crazy stuff. He goes to Africa to fight in Rhodesia. He was this contentious fellow. Had falling outs with everyone. Moves to the Pacific Northwest, and becomes the last of this old guard of people who are advocating the states in the Pacific Northwest, which are overwhelmingly white, break off from the rest of the country and form a white ethnostate. His last group was called the Northwest Front which I believe still exists today. And they would both advocate this idea, try to get involved in the various– There's a regionalist/independence movement called Cascadia that wants to break some of that area off, but it wants a kind of lefty leaning, ecological state or regionalist entity, and so he tried to give that a specifically racist cast. So this created, again, a lot of these groups in the Cascadian movement, whatever you think about it (There's a lot of kooks.) they had to move and take their resources just to fight the white nationalists within their ranks, to make sure the white na– Because it was popular. You go to Portland; you see people with Cascadian flags on their porches and stuff. There's a sort of intuitive popularity for it there. So they then had to redirect resources to fight against these people, to show that they weren't racist. It might have been good in a way because it forces groups to commit to an anti-racist stance. The presence of white nationalists sometimes does shape up these majority groups to affirm anti-racism. So maybe there is a silver lining to that. Mike: Dr. Sunshine, thank you again for coming on The Nazi Lies Podcast. You can keep up to date with Dr. Sunshine's writings through his newsletter the Sonnenschein Update which you can find on his website. And you can donate to his Patreon. It's also on his website, spencersunshine.com. This has been real fun. Hope we can have you back again for a book release. Spencer: Yeah, it was great chatting with you as always, Mike. [Theme song]

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We finally finished our Oscar's watch list! In this episode me and Sammy review the last two movies we had to watch for the Oscar's which was Promising Young Woman and The Trial of the Chicago Seven along with a Godzilla vs. King Kong review. then we get into some new about Mortal Kombat being set back another week and Some Mark Millar properties finally showing their light on Netflix. Our Top 5 this week is our favorite actor transformations. Then last we get into creepy corner with a 11,500 year old wooden carving standing 17 feet high that i think has a supernatural history.

The extraordinary Ronaldo Sosa joined me to break down the Academy Award nominations. There was much to discuss and Ronaldo brought his typical wit and warmth to his scathing critiques of the Trial of the Chicago Seven. We also touched on Jackson DeStefano's love for 1944's Wilson, Anthony Hopkins in The Remains of the Day, Mank's lack of a screenplay nomination and the greatness of Laura Pausini. Twitter https://twitter.com/rsantana2024 https://twitter.com/Zita_Short https://twitter.com/300Passions Letterboxd https://letterboxd.com/CatherineShort/ https://letterboxd.com/r_santana2024/ Grant Zepernick provided the artwork for this podcast.

Ryan and Dylan go over the 2021 Oscar nominees and dig deep into the life, career, and writing style of screenwriter Aaron Sorkin. Time Stamps: 1. News - 0:00:34 2. Box Office Recap - 0:11:08 3. Box Office Predictions - 0:16:50 4. Writer Analysis Intro - 0:19:00 5. "A Few Good Men" - 0:35:44 6. "The West Wing" - 0:40:43 7. "The Social Network" - 0:50:50 8. "Moneyball" - 1:02:00 9. "Steve Jobs" - 1:04:00 10. "Trial of the Chicago Seven" - 1:15:20 11. Upcoming Sorkin Projects - 1:43:38

Heidi and Ellen interview Melissa and Sophia.  Both are successful in their respective careers but deal with shyness and self doubt when in public  Melissa is a writer that prefers to stay behind the scenes. Sophia is a teacher but feels more at ease in the world of art. We talk about Susan Cain's TED talk ‘The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking' and the many ways to feel more comfortable having your voice heard. We also talk about the movie ‘The Trial of the Chicago Seven' and the Netflix series, ‘The Queen's Gambit'.

This week, we're talking Alice in Wonderland, the 1951 animated movie! Plus, we talk about The Little Things, Trial of the Chicago Seven, Miracle on 34th Street, whether Ant Man can take Alice in a fight, the scientific concept of mass, Kingdom Hearts, Palm Springs, and, of course, WandaVision.

British actor, writer and producer Sacha Baron Cohen starred in two of the most critically-acclaimed films of the past year. He's now received three Golden Globe nominations for his role as political activist Abbie Hoffman in Netflix's "The Trial of the Chicago Seven," for reprising the role of Borat, and as a producer on “Borat Subsequent Moviefilm.” He joined "CBS This Morning" co-host Anthony Mason to discuss why he was so determined and driven to make both a Borat sequel and star in Aaron Sorkin's "The Trial of the Chicago Seven."See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This special 2-part miniseries is from a panel held as part of ARTS1241, Environmental Advocacy and Activism, from the University of New South Wales. Mark Rudd is a political organizer and an anti-war activist. He first burst onto the political landscape in the United States as a member, and ultimately the leader of the Columbia University chapter of Students for Democratic Society (known as SDS). SDS was the leading student anti-war social movement in the United States in the 1960s. Mark Rudd's expertise, namely the limits of violent, direct action, are particularly relevant to what's going on right now. For more on SDS, Mark's contemporary Tom Hayden and that time period, check out the film The Trial of the Chicago Seven on Netflix.  Join the students of 1241 for this discussion with Mark about the dangers of violence in activism, his theory of change, and what we can learn from successful social movements of the past.  To join us in adapting future events, and providing a platform for learning and collaboration across the climate community, get in touch with Climactic at hello@climactic.fm for any feedback, suggestions or questions.  Resources:Why Did Columbia University Students Protest in 1968? | History (YouTube) Mark's book - Underground: My Life with SDS and the Weathermen (Goodreads) Mark's film recommendation - The Glorias (Wikipedia) See /privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This special 2-part miniseries is from a panel held as part of ARTS1241, Environmental Advocacy and Activism, from the University of New South Wales. Mark Rudd is a political organizer and an anti-war activist. He first burst onto the political landscape in the United States as a member, and ultimately the leader of the Columbia University chapter of Students for Democratic Society (known as SDS). SDS was the leading student anti-war social movement in the United States in the 1960s. Mark Rudd's expertise, namely the limits of violent, direct action, are particularly relevant to what's going on right now. For more on SDS, Mark's contemporary Tom Hayden and that time period, check out the film The Trial of the Chicago Seven on Netflix.  Join the students of 1241 for this discussion with Mark about the dangers of violence in activism, his theory of change, and what we can learn from successful social movements of the past.  To join us in adapting future events, and providing a platform for learning and collaboration across the climate community, get in touch with Climactic at hello@climactic.fm for any feedback, suggestions or questions.  Resources:Why Did Columbia University Students Protest in 1968? | History (YouTube) Mark's book - Underground: My Life with SDS and the Weathermen (Goodreads) Mark's film recommendation - The Glorias (Wikipedia) See /privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

What a decade this last year has been. Ian and Sean are joined by their Husband Albert for the podcast's first annual Year in Review episode. As much as the world was dominated by a Pandemic, plenty of great TV and film was unleashed on the world...and Ian chose to watch Extraction instead. Fortunately Sean and Albert DID watch some of the amazing content that came this year so listen up and their opinions on The Trial of the Chicago Seven, Normal People, Blood of Zeus, Soul, Birds of Prey, 1917, JoJo Rabbit, The Morning Show and The Mandalorian. Naturally The chaps also do a deep dive into the swathe of Star Trek shows that came out but more importantly update you on who's currently in the running to be chief engineer of the USS Enterprise D.... Tenet, go away. Follow Albert: @alberthogan Follow Sean: @seanferrick Follow Ian: @galactic_dave Follow the Podcast: @englishirishgtm (Twitter) @englishirishpod (Instagram) @AnEnlishmanAndAnIrishman (Facebook) www.anenglishmanandanirishman.wordpress.com Music by: bensound.com and zedge.com

 Connect with Michael and BobThe Climb on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-climb-podcast/Bob Wierema: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wierema/Michael Moore: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelpmoore/Connect with Eric HymanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-hyman-8861658/Eric, welcome to The Climb. We appreciate you joining us today. Well, thank you for having me.  And this is a fond one for Michael and I in that we have a great relationship with your son. Ryan is a partner of ours and a close and dear friend of ours. So, we're looking forward to the conversation. We won't spend too much time talking about Ryan because there's probably not enough time here to record all the issues with him, but we appreciate the time and have heard and learned a lot about you. I think maybe for the audience, just start with, what's the background, where'd you come from and then, walk us through today and Michael and I'll just bother you and interject with some questions. Sure. I'd be glad to give you a little bit of a background. I was in college athletics for 40 some years and as an athletic director for 28 of those 40 some years. But anyway, prior to that, I lived all over the country. My dad was in the service and I was recruited NAF out of Northern Virginia and went to the University of North Carolina as a football player and I was there until I graduated. And then I started from a university and I got my master's degree. At one time I wanted to be a superintendent of school systems, so I've got my administrative master's in administrative education. And then while there I coached football and then I coached for women's basketball with my wife on the college level, and so one thing led to another. So, I ended up coaching football for nine years, got my degree, and then was a full-time coach. Very fortunate, wonderful experience for me. Then I went into administration. For a couple of years, I worked with the individual that was going to be the President of the one athletic directors' association. I worked with him at Furman for two years. He was AD and then I became – at the ripe old age of 33 – an athletic director. I learned what to do and what not to do. That's what I always say to young people. Life is full of experiences for success and people learn from them.  So, I learned a lot, I made a lot of mistakes and I learned from those mistakes. And then I went to NC state and worked there for five years as the number two person, and then AD at Miami of Ohio and the athletic director at TCU, where I was fortunate to hire Gary Patterson, but I was also fortunate to hire a guy named Jim Schlossnagle who is a baseball coach.  So, then I went to South Carolina as the AD ­– I was the AD at TCU for seven years, South Carolina for seven years, and then I went to A&M and I was athletic director there for about four years. So that's been my professional path. I've done a lot of things, have been associated with a lot of people. I've had a wonderful, wonderful life, wonderful professional experience. Has it been easy? No. It has been challenging, obviously, because from a political standpoint and just the changes that are going on in college athletics, not only when I started but today. I feel that's probably the most challenging time being an athletic director ­­– today, because of what's taking place.  To a certain extent I'm glad I'm not AD anymore. I can sit back and armchair quarterback, ‘why didn't you do this? What did you do that?' I feel for the athletic directors today. So anyway, that gives you a little snapshot of my professional career. That's a very Reader's Digest, condensed version. And Eric, are you still consulting? Well, I was consulting until COVID. Then it came to a dead stop. If you've seen what's taken place in college athletics and obviously having to deal with the budget issues they're having to deal with is a major, major challenge. So, there's not a lot of financial flexibility to hire consultants and those kinds of things.  Being a consultant was very enjoyable. I enjoyed doing it, I had a lot of fun doing it, but then again, I could walk away from a situation. I did this in a couple of places as walk in, and the problems are somebody else's problems after I was finished. So, in answer to your question, no, that's really backed off an awful lot and rightfully so, based on the economic challenges that college athletics are faced with.  I want to go back. I do want to come back to some of that stuff. One of the things you had mentioned earlier was, did you say you coached with your wife? Yeah, it was a really interesting story. When I was getting my masters at Furman, back in those days as a DA you made, you're going to laugh when I say this, $1,800, and then I was a Dean, we'll make it $3,600 a year, and that was $5400. I felt like I was rich. My wife was a college professor. Well anyway, she played college basketball and they didn't have women's basketball. They didn't have any women's sports. So some of the girls came to my wife and started up the team and she came to me about it and asked me, you know, I played high school basketball and I've been involved in coaching and those kinds of things, and she asked me if I would be willing to help her out. I said, ‘yeah, I would be glad to'.  And we started a team from scratch, but I said ‘you deal when you deal with women, you deal with the socialization, the relationships with people – I'll do the coaching'. So I read Bobby Knight's book Help Side Ball Side and I read Morgan Wooten – who is a very famous basketball coach at the math of high school and Washington DC called The Red Book. I read those two books, and so we started the team from scratch and the last year, and this is back in the AAW days, which is before the incident of late days for women's athletics, we went all the way to the final four. In the third year of the program, we finished seventh and it's a little bit different. They brought 16 teams from around the country and it was in Temple, Texas. It was an interesting story.  The school didn't have money towards women's athletics, so we had to do a lot of the fundraising ourselves. So, we drove two station wagons from Greenville, South Carolina to Temple, Texas which is a long way. We had two station wagons with a full women's basketball team and a manager, and we just packed everybody in. So we got to the Mississippi River, and one of our players had a panic attack. She didn't want to go over the river and she was a starter. I said, ‘Debbie, you're going over to the river. We didn't work this hard to go this far and for you to not'. And she said, ‘well I want to go back home'. And that was Travelers Rest, South Carolina. She says, ‘well I'm going back home. I'm going to walk home if I have to.' And here we are at the Mississippi River, hundreds of miles away from Travelers Rest. And I said, ‘gosh, what are we going to do?' I'm panicked because not only is she panicked, but she panicked me.  So what we ended up doing was my wife and I got together and we put her down on the floorboard and put the winter coats on top of her. I drove around and drove across the Mississippi River and got to the other side about three or four miles, and I said, ‘all right, Debbie, you can pop your head up now we're over!' And so, you had to improvise. I don't know that a lot of athletic directors have experienced something like that, but that was all fun. We went out there and we've competed and we did well. And then the next year we went all the way to Vincennes, Indiana and finished third in the country. It was a great experience. And I love doing it a little different. I don't think many AD's in the country coach women's basketball on the college level. That was one of the things I was going to ask is, when you look at the AD, is the path that you took a very similar path to other AD's? And then also to that, 33 years old seems really young for that role. I didn't know this at the time, I was extremely naïve and took the job in December. I know July of 1984. I found out that the gun was loaded when I took the job, the gun was loaded, pointing at the football coach. So, I had to terminate the football coach at the end of the year. Well, I was hoping he'd have a good year and I didn't have to do that. But anyway, we had to let him go. So, it was a challenge. I had never done anything like this before 33. And you, you had to learn a lot.  It's a due to have to handle it. I don't know if you're familiar with Washington Lee University and BMI, they're right next to each other. And so, I went into the library of Washington Lee and I looked at a microfilm and read how Virginia Tech had terminated their football coach a couple of years previously, and then I read up on Virginia – I didn't know what I was doing. So, I read through and looked at all with the media and how they handled it and all that kinds of stuff, because I could see the handwriting on the wall. And then I had to let them go. So it was, you know, it was a great learning experience for me.  How old was the coach that you had to let go that had the gun to him? He was in his sixties. So just talk about that dynamic for a second.  Oh, it was very difficult and he's a nice person and everything, and I don't think he's alive anymore, but quite frankly VMI was a very difficult job in defense of him. It was a very, very difficult job, but to a certain extent, the profession had passed him by. And so it was time. It was a fitting time to go to take the program in a different direction. But, I made some mistakes when I did it and I learned from some of those mistakes, but it was a difficult time. It was a difficult time for me because that's the first time I'd let somebody go. And I finally learned – I had a pit in my stomach, but I learned that there comes to a point in time that it's in the best interest of the university or the institution where you are that you need to separate yourself from that individual. At a young age, I would think about his family, his children, the assistant coach's children, all those kinds of things and agonized over that. At times I couldn't sleep at night, but I finally got to a point where in my mind – and this is what I used later on in life – I finally got to the point where this was the right thing to do. And no matter what, even though you have a negative impact on people's lives and families and children, all those kinds of things, this is still the right thing to do. And that's why I could live with myself and then I was at peace with myself and then obviously we progressed and we had to separate ourselves from the coach.  You mentioned that your dad was in the service growing up. He was a general, wasn't he? Yeah. He was a West Point graduate. My brother played basketball at West Point. He was a general officer and therefore we traveled everywhere all the time. We traveled every two or three years. They moved us around. So, I've lived all over the country and I lived overseas in Germany, but I've lived all over the United States which was a good experience. I had a lot more appreciation and maybe awareness of how great the country was when I went to Germany – and this was before they put up the wall. I lived over in Berlin when they put up the wall. You see East Germany and you see some of the communist bloc countries and you compare them to the West, and then you begin to hear about people. And I won't name names, but you go back to the Chicago Seven and some of those people about the virtues of communis, and then you turn around and you go into East Berlin or you go into East Germany and it's hard to see any virtues of communism and the West. It was so different from the West, as opposed to the East in Europe. And that made you have a great love and appreciation for this country, which I think a lot of times we take for granted.  How would you say some of those experiences helped you throughout your career? I mean, growing up all over, being all over the place? Germany, you don't know how to meet people. You know how to adjust and to adapt and you see things differently. Now, maybe, I was hurt to a certain extent from a fundamental standpoint because we moved so much, and from an educational standpoint. We might be right in the middle of studying geometry and geometry's in sequential order, and then you may end up moving and you're out of the sequence. So, there was a negative impact about doing it, but you meet people, you know how to meet people and you know how to adjust and to adapt to certain situations. There was this one experience when we were leaving West Berlin to go on vacation in Spain. This was East Germany, and you couldn't go into East Germany. You could go on the Autobahn, an American could, but they had a password. Our car broke down right in the middle of East Germany. I was only eight or nine years old at the time, but I was scared to death because I thought that, and there were, truckloads of East German soldiers going by on the Autobahn.  What you have to do is you have to give a pass to an American and they take it to the next checkpoint. And then they have someone to come out and get you which we did a couple of times. But as a young kid, I thought the communists – I thought they were going to take us, and we were going to end up living in Eastern Europe.  They didn't, but that's how you see things. And so, you have so much more appreciation, like I said, for this country, but that was a worldly experience. The Berlin wall was up, but when they ended up putting the barricades up in the fence – well, I'll never forget it. There was a young East German person in a trench coat. He was probably about 18 or 19 years old. And if you remember checkpoint Charlie and right next to checkpoint Charlie on the Eastern side, East Side Escape, we got caught up in the barbed wire, and so the East German Stata killed him.  So he was bleeding and caught entrenched in this barbed wire on top of the wall. Those kinds of experiences, you don't get in a normal life when you're growing up in America, in a country, in a small town or something like that. You see those kinds of things. It makes you a lot more aware of, of what the real world is like. I was sick to my stomach, I'll never forget it. It was on the cover of Post magazine or Life or one of those. Magazines back then having this young person dying, the Americans wanted to go over there and take them out of there and get them off and save his life. But the officials would not let him do it because obviously it could cause World War III or whatever. So, I was answering your question. My lens is a little bit different than maybe your lens because of the experiences that we had growing up.  Absolutely. Well, those certainly define us. We talk a lot on this podcase about the separation between your work life and your home life, and sometimes it's hard to make that transition. Was your dad more of a general when he got home, then he went on the job or vice-versa? And then you're mentioning your own life. I mean, how did you transition between an AD and a father? It was very difficult for him. And, you know, once the general, always a general – and the pressure that he was put under, did he bring some of that home? Yes. He brought some of that home. Did we have to square our meals at dinner? To a certain extent. Do we have to ask you yes or no sir? Pass the potatoes please? All those kinds of things? Yes. There's a lot different than white families. The way we brought up our family. So, there's a lot more structure to it. And obviously his job, he wasn't around very much, and he was gone in my senior year in high school. He took a tour of duty in South Korea hardship tours so I could go to one high school. And so, you make those kinds of adjustments but going back to my personal situation, I probably failed at that. My son would probably tell you that also, but anyway, my wife used to say, and my kids would say, ‘we have you physically, but we don't have you mentally'. Being an athletic director is a very complex, complicated job, and there's a lot of moving parts in it, and it's like a juggler and he's juggling balls. Then sometimes a ball gets bigger and throws you out of rhythm. And you have a certain rhythm in an athletic department like you do in a corporation, there's certain rhythms. And having to terminate a coach, or having to deal with a board member and a corrupt board member or something like that throws you out of whack. And so, what you have to be able to do is try to maintain that rhythm. The job was almost 24 hours a day.  And when you're trying to build an addition to a renovation of a football stadium of $500 million a year, having 3000 people at work and all those kinds of things, all the way to ensure that your programs stay in compliance, making sure you have a schedule completed, making sure you set goals and you have a strategic plan and how you are going to get there, all those kinds of things.  Then you have all the fans and they're at your throats, you know? So those kinds of things, it makes the job very difficult today. And to answer your questions: I wasn't great at it. I'm a lot better in retirement about being involved and being more physically and mentally there. I'm not the best person because I didn't do that well. And I think Ryan and my daughter have learned from some of the things I didn't do as I should have done. And they do a much better job of raising their children and they're more attentive than say I was when I was raising my kids. No I can see that. I live walking distance from Ryan's house and your son is an incredible dad. He does a really, really good job raising those kids. He really does. I'm very proud of them. I think one of the things that you had mentioned is some of the hiring and firing and some of the challenge within that within all these different dynamics. Maybe talk through a little bit of the dynamic of the hiring and firing with I can only imagine how many different political pieces pulling you in which directions and I'm sure you've got some good stories there. Yeah, we'll talk about Gary Patterson since that was mentioned earlier. I had hired a guy by the name of Dennis Franchione at TCU, and he was there for about two and a half years, and then he went to Alabama. Well, we ended up hiring Gary Patterson, and I'll tell you a little story about it. So, we hired Gary, and Gary is a genius. I think this was 20 years ago before he was hired, he was a genius defensively and I've coached on defense. I played on defense, so I had an immense appreciation for his skill, his talents.  And another thing Gary did was Gary was great at judging talent. He could see somebody and he could project where they would be two or three or four years down the road. And as a high school senior, high school junior, he's phenomenal in that, but you know, Gary in other areas hadn't been really exposed to some of the things that you need to be exposed to.  He was as a defensive coordinator and it was interesting because I really didn't know Gary that well, but I try to do a lot of research on people before I hire him. We had a national search and one of the people on the search committee, we were looking at a defensive coordinator at another school, and he said, ‘you know, they were very comparable' but the issue was Gary was a TCU. So there wasn't going to be a learning curve to the extent that maybe you have, if you were bringing somebody from the outside in. So anyways, he was a little bit controversial as far as the hires concerned. You might want to put an exclamation point behind that because Fran was so different and Gary is so different than Fran, and we had success under Fran, and so hiring Gary did go on a traction with a lot of TCU people in the beginning.  So, the first year, I had to make a presentation at halftime and first Gary's here and I think we were playing Northwestern State or something like that, a school that did not have the resources we had. They had a lot of the players that had transferred there from some larger schools, well anyway they beat us. But at halftime, I went down there to make a presentation and the fans booed the heck out of me, and so I went back up to see the associate athletic director for marketing. His name was Kevin O'Connell. I said, ‘Kevin, don't you ever do that again. Don't you send me down'. People were booing me because of the hire, but now from a historical standpoint, Gary's one of the best coaches and has been the longest one, the longest tenure, one of the best coaches in the history of college football. Considering the resources we had at TCU back then was not at all what the resources they have today.  So, Gary was able to really put a program on and it took time to be able to do. And it's like I said to people at TCU that an ocean liner doesn't change directions overnight, it's taken TCU a while to get where they are. It's going to take them a while to get where we want to go. So you have to have patience and great virtue, but the history has shown that Gary was a great hire. Was he a real popular hire in the beginning? He was not as popular back then as he is today, and I really give a tremendous amount of credit to Gary for what he's done at TCU, and he's really but them on the map. We talk about San Diego and Danny Thomason playing out in California. His exposure, the Damien's exposure in California has done wonders for applicants from California coming to TCU because it puts you on the map and so was a good school in the Midwestern part of the country in Texas. But other than that, it wasn't real well-known, but it's the success athletically. There's a good message at TCU, but athletics got it out to every nook and cranny around the country. And so people. began to find out about TCU.  But so going back to your question about hiring – it's probably one of the most difficult parts of the job – hire and fire people. And I talked a little bit about terminating people. It's very, very difficult, but when I was at peace with myself, I knew it was the right thing to do. I've analyzed it, overanalyzed it – whether to let somebody go – but to try to hire somebody, I thought it was very important.  The three things I looked for was integrity, work ethic, and intelligence. Experience was important, but it wasn't at the top of my list. Where you have a smart person, they can make up for maybe a little bit of lack of experience, if that's what you want to be able to say. So in my job, you have to do a huge amount of research. I mean, a huge amount of research on people. It's like hiring Jim Schlossnagle who is a baseball coach at TCU. One of the best baseball coaches in the country. I was in a meeting with the AD at Tulane and Jim was assistant coach at Tulane, and it was the meeting with a conference of USA athletic directors and North Carolina was flirting with the baseball coach at Tulane.  I said to the AD, ‘so what would you do, who would you hire?' Because I knew the possibility of having to hire somebody at TCU. I knew it was pretty high on the radar screen. So, I was keeping my eyes and ears open and asking questions to a lot of people when the AD said he had hired this guy, who's a pitching coach named Jim Schlossnagle.  The Ad's name was Rick Dixon. And so I said, ‘Rick, why?' He told me why, well then obviously I started to track him in addition to other people, I tracked him and he went to UNLB. And Mountain West wasn't the best baseball conference in the country. But the first year he was 500 and the next year he won the conference, which is tremendous compared from when he took over.  So, the issue was that I hired him. So what I'm trying to say to you, you got to keep your eyes and ears open all the time, and you got to have a sense of what the marketplace is. And then you got to find out. Interviewing people was about 30%, 70% was checking their backgrounds and because their actions speak so loud, you can barely hear what they say – coaches and people are salespeople. You got to look in depth and you got to look down and scroll all the way down as you possibly can and find out as much information. So some of the things I've done in the past that I probably – as far as compared to people in my profession – was probably one of the individuals that did a lot of research on people because I want to make sure what I was getting to. I didn't want to make a mistake, but it's not an exact science. If you have success, more success than not success in hiring people, then you're going to stay as an AD. If you don't, you're going to be on the road. So I don't know if that helps you at all. The biggest thing is research people, research, research, research, and find out about them. Who's the true person? Like I called somebody, a coach at another school and I happen to know the women's tennis coach. So, I called her and I asked her, ‘what is this individual like when the lights are turned off? What's the true person?' And so, she was going to be up front with me. She wasn't going to lie to me. She wasn't going to mislead me or anything like that. So that helped me as far as beginning to develop a profile. So, so that's one of the things I've done. Another thing I try to do is I try to bring the players on the team. That's what I was going to ask. So what I would do is I would – I would say there's three things I try to do, the athletic department and I got through a little bit of that. We sort of have an idea of what a successful program is. So we try to mirror that to the individual. I also would sit down with the players on the team and I would say, ‘you're not going to hire the coach and your parents aren't going to hire the coach, but what's important to you? What do you want? What do you want in a new baseball coach, a football coach, or whatever it may be?' And they help develop a profile. So hiring something that's not perfect, and you're not going to find the perfect person, but you're going to find somebody that hopefully has got the most of the characteristics that will match up to what you're trying to accomplish at the institution that you are.  You've obviously had a ton of exposure to a ton of different personalities and people. I played college ball at Illinois Wesleyan, just T3 football, but these coaches shape a lot of these young peoples' lives. They're very influential people when you're in a sports program. So over these years of these coaches you've come across, what are some of the attributes that you see that you're like, ‘man this guy or girl,' or just a phenomenal leader of these young, multiple minds? What did you see that was great? Or what did you look for when you were looking for those leaders? Having a coach gave me a little bit of experience now. A lot of AD's have never coached before. They've never coached. A lot of my generation had coached the next generation or not. You asked about the AD's today, they're going through fundraising or they're going through compliance or something like that. So I've coached. So I always felt as a coach, that coach make the main thing the main thing, and what's that? The student athletes and the players have to know that you have their best interest at heart.  That's extremely, extremely important. You're going to be tough if you have to be, or do whatever you need to do, but they have to know that it's how much you care and you got to be able to care for your student athletes. And that's why we're in this business. And so when you have an athlete come back to you and tell you, ‘thank you', you couldn't put a million dollars on it. When they come back and tell you how much it's helped them develop and grow in life. And personally, I made mistakes when I was younger, and in some of the people, I was probably too hard on them. I was probably too tough on them, but over time I mellowed a bit and I saw things from a little bit of a different perspective.  It's like one of the players I had, I'll never forget it. I happened to be very vocal. Well, he was a big, tall defensive tackle. He's about 6'6” and he was probably about 245lbs or whatever. And he came over to me one day and he said he didn't respond well to being vocal, being really vocal. I sat and I thought about that and I said I'll make a change and I won't be as vocal because he didn't respond to that as I would be to others. But I said, ‘what I will do, though, if you screw up, I'm going to come up and whisper in your ear and tell you, get the heck going,' or something like that. But I will tell you, I will not do that anymore. And this is what, to me, this is why we're in the business is to help these young people and help them develop. And I'll give you a great example. At an institution and FCC school – I've been at two of them, but one of them, we had an attendance policy. And so, we had the attendance policy and my expectation was for them to go to school, because what is the number one determining factor for success in college? What's the number one? SAT ACT class rank? What do you think? The number one thing to be successful in college academically is what? To go to class. That's the nut. If you don't go to school, you're not going to be successful.  No, I found that out the hard way. Tests are a whole lot easier if you actually went to the class. Some of the football players – that didn't get traction with them. But anyway, with the starting quarterback. So, he was taking a class, this is the starting quarterback. Now do you people do this today? I doubt it, seriously. So othe young man didn't go to class at night. He was warned ahead of time. I don't remember how many in summer school, there may have been 15 classes, but he missed about 10 or 11. And so I called him in and I said, ‘listen, we've had this discussion,' and I said, ‘you're not going to play the first football game'. Now think about this today. If you did that to a person, because of something like this, then there would be a firestorm on social media. But I did what I did, what I thought was the right thing to do, because if I didn't, then this is something that would be a negative impact on his life, if I didn't do anything. So anyway, to make a long story short, I told him that – well his father was furious with me. So he came in and he sat down the dad and the son and he went through his diet, traveling about, oh this is a travesty, you know, yada yada yada for an extended period of time. And I said to him, after he was through talking, I said to him, ‘Mr.,' – I don't want to give his name up – ‘Mr. Smith. So what are you going to do? When your son leaves here and he gets a job and of the first 15 days of work he misses 10 of them, what are you going to do? Are you going to go in and talk to the manager and tell him you can't fire him or whatever?' I said, ‘what I'm trying to do is teach this young man that he has a sense of responsibility and I'm going to teach him a value or something that he can take for the rest of his life. He'd better be in class because if he's not, he's gonna fail. But if he doesn't learn this lesson and he gets out in the real world, he's going to be without a job'. And so, this is what I'm trying to teach them. This is what a coach or an athletic director I think tries to do is tries to work with young people. I'll give you a phenomenal example, which is Jadeveon Clowney. You ever heard of Jadeveon Clowney? Jadeveon Clowney was a student athlete at South Carolina. Jadeveon Clowney was a man among the boys, as far as an athlete. I mean, he was phenomenal. And Jadeveon Clowney was a freshman and he wasn't going to class. We had an attendance policy, the reason we had an attendance policy was because I wanted him to go to class. Because the number one determining factor for success academically is going to class. And so, he didn't go – when I checked, I would check with football, I check all the athletes, but mostly the football and basketball players about every two or three weeks. Well, he wasn't going well. I warned him. And he still wasn't going.  And so, I called him into my office on a Sunday morning. I'll never forget it. It was the Clemson game, which was a huge risk to Alabama Auburn. So I called him into my office and at 10 o'clock, I'll never forget it, his position coach came, the administrator for football came, the academic person for football came and I wanted his grandfather to come but he couldn't come because his grandfather was a stabilizing factor in his life, Jadeveon's life. But Jadeveon came and so we went through and we talked and I said, ‘Jadeveon,' I had a round desk in my office. I said, ‘in three years, this desk is going to be piles of money that you're going to be able to get, because you're going to be able to make a lot of money with professional football.' But I said, ‘what you're doing is you're taking, you're knocking money off the table. And if you continue like this, in three years, there's not going to be any money on the table because you'll have flunked out of school. And I'm doing this because I'm trying to protect you from yourself.' And so, anyway, it got out with the fans. They were not happy campers about doing this to Jadeveon but the issue was they were so myopic and I was trying to look at the big long-term and not the short-term. So, I ended up suspending him for part of the Clemson game. And thank goodness we won.  I was scared to death that we would lose. And who do you think would get blamed for it? I would be. And that's what AD's are good for. They're good to blame on. If the coach was successful, they get the credit. If they're not, the AD gets blamed for it, I'm being facetious. But my point is that, you know, we won. Thank goodness. So we won quite decisively. Well, now we fast forward.  I run into Jadeveon and he is in the spring time. He's going into the academic center. He's walking toward the academic center and I roll my window down and he's walking, I'm in my car and I rolled my window down and I said, ‘Jadeneon, come here'. And he walks over and I knew what was on his mind: ‘I've got to go see the principal and I don't want to have to see the principal'. So, he walked over and I said, ‘Jadeveon, I'm so proud of you'. He had the biggest smile you've ever seen in your life. And he was so happy, he was rewarded for going to class and now we fast forward. So, when I'm at A&M, the Atlanta Falcons and the Texans are practicing with each other. And there's a bunch of players for the Falcons. And there's a bunch of players for the Texans that had played at South Carolina or played A&M. So I asked Bob McNair, the owner, I said, ‘do you mind if I come down and watch practice?' He says, ‘sure. Come on down'. So anyway, I came down and I saw a bunch of them and talked to them and that kind of stuff. Well Jadeveon was the last one to come off the practice and practice over.  ‘Jadeveon, come here'. And I put my hand out. I said, ‘I want my money. You know what I'm talking about?' He said, ‘yes sir. I know what you're talking about.' You tried to be a leader. It takes courage, and to do the right thing, it takes courage. And even though people were so shortsighted about it, I understood it, but I took abuse about it. And I did those kinds of things in the professional career that I was in because I tried to do what was the right thing to do. So, dealing with student athletes, I dealt with student athletes. I love dealing with it, and I bore you with the stories but there's a lot of times that that's what we're in the business for. And so, you try to help them. And I tell them, ‘I've got erasers on all my pencils.' And sometimes when we disciplined a player, I'll never forget – we disciplined a football player defensive back at A&M because he was doing some things that were inappropriate. And so, I called him in and bottom line was, I said, ‘now if I was a wide receiver, he was the defensive back, and I ran a pose pattern on you, and I beat you for a touchdown. I mean that's going to happen. And if it happens time and time and time again, what's going to happen?' I asked him, ‘what's going to happen?' He said, ‘well I'm not going to be on the bench'. And I said, ‘that's exactly right. And so that's what I'm trying to teach you is that you gotta learn from your experiences, if you're defensive back and that guy's beating you on a post pattern all the time, you're not going to be playing. Well, you get out in the real world and you just make these kind of mistakes, you're not going to be successful.' Those kind of things that you try to relate to your athletes, and tried to do. And I mean, I've had this across the board of women's soccer.  It's not all football, basketball; it's other sports also that have run them up. And like I said, they make mistakes. It's a game. Life is not perfect. And so, the key is to learn from them and to learn from your mistakes. And that's what I try to do as an athletic director with our student athletes. No, that was great. Well, while we're on the topic of players, any color you can share around your time with Johnny football? Oh, Johnny Manzell. Johnny was probably the best improvisor I've ever seen in my life on a football field. He had gifted talents the first year there. Johnny Manzell, you would see him and he's upbeat, positive, ‘hello Mr. Hyman, how are you doing?' And that kind of stuff. I mean, a very effervescent personality and Johnny, he's a really smart young man. I mean, he's very smart. Maybe some of the things he does don't rank high on the smartness category, but he really is. And he's a good kid. Well, what happened when he won the Heisman? He was 19 years old at the time. It would be hard enough for a 40-year-old to win the Heisman, much less a 19-year-old kid. And there was a huge transformation with him. And unfortunately I felt sorry for him. I really did. I felt sorry for him, the Adelaide and the visibility. He couldn't go anywhere.  I'd be sitting on a plane, we'd be flying someplace the first year. We would be playing LSU or Alabama or something like that, and he would walk down the aisle on the plane and say, ‘hey Mr., hi Mrs. Simon, how are you doing?' Very, very engaging. Well the next year I noticed he'd have a hat on. He'd have his headset on, head down, and I felt for him because of what he had to go through. It was a very, very difficult experience for him. I really felt sorry for him because it's just difficult for anybody to deal with that, much less a 19-year-old kid.  So there was a chain, there was a transformation in his personality and some things like that took place, but he was a hell of a football player. I'm telling you, he willed us in some games, he absolutely took the team. We played Duke in the play bowl. He willed the team to win. We played Louisiana Tech and Shreveport one time. He just picked the team up by the bootstraps. He was a very, very, very talented young man and a smart young man too. He was gifted, he was just gifted athletically. He was thoughtful. And he was a challenge. I'm not going to tell you he wasn't because there were some things that we had to do while I was there which was very unfortunate, but the bottom line with him is I feel sorry for what he had to go through. And some of the challenges he had because of how successful he was athletically. Well, I'm sure the personalities of some of these athletes that you have to deal with – you got some such extremely talented young men and women coming into these programs that are going through that. I can't even imagine.  They're all different. Every single one of them, different. They all come from different backgrounds. There's some common things or common things that you're trying to help them develop as time goes on. And when you bring them in, they come from all walks of life and there are certain expectations that you have, and we tried to do that I think they do it. We tried to do some things long before other people were doing them, and we tried to teach them how to dress properly. We made it mandatory for their junior year that we would bring somebody in for the male athletes and we would bring somebody for the female. My wife would do a lot of that and teach them how to dress properly. Cedric, what's Cedric's last name? I can't remember, but anyways, an offense to tackle for the Cincinnati Bengals – I'll think of it in a second, that's what happens when you get to be my age! I tell people I have met a ton of people and I have a Rolodex in my head, and there's a ton of people in that Rolodex. Unfortunately, when I get older, the Rolodex goes through a little bit slower.  So, anyway, we sat down and I happened to work with Cedric, but we had a tie tying contest because when you deal with young people, you got to deal with competitiveness. And so, we had a tie tying contest and there were five male athletes from different sports. Well, Cedric was who I was trying to teach how to tie a tie. And so, we had a limited amount of time, we're in front of all of the junior male athletes and here, I'm trying to teach him how to tie a tie. So, then we had a clock stopwatch, and so we had a clock on them, and they all had to tie their tie within a certain amount of time. And a lot of them had never tied a tie before, but we were trying to help them for later on in life. Well, Cedric won the contest, he won it, and I found this out later on, he was so proud that he had won the tie tying contest. Here's a football player, offense alignment. Well, he went out and was bragging to the offensive line that he won the tie tying contest.  So the point is we left an indelible mark with him and some of the things that he had to do to be successful. Well, we also taught them how to eat properly. We would have the fall sports in the spring time and the spring sports in the fall time, but we would make it mandatory because of, in some of my experiences that I told them one year, Steve Spurrier was our football coach. And one year, we had the coaches, we had Steve and his wife, Jerry, and then we had another head coach and his wife sitting at a table in front of all the student athletes. And we tried to teach them how to eat properly, and a lot of them didn't know. So, when you go on a job interview, you don't want to eat like a slob because you might lose the job. So, what we ended up doing was – I'll never forget it – Steve, on his own, dropped a roll on the floor underneath the table that he was eating off and he got on his hands and knees and crawled to get it. Well, it was funny. The athletes just wanted to laugh. I'm here, you got the head in front of you when he's on his hands, on all fours, trying to grab the roll, and we're trying to teach them how not to do it. How not to do these kinds of things. But the point we got across to them in a fun way was these are things that you don't need to do.  And for example, I interviewed a coach for the head basketball school. One of the coaches, one of the schools I was at at the time. And he showed up for the interview with no socks on, chewing gum. Well, today maybe people don't understand it, but that was not the proper thing to do as far as how to dress appropriately. So if he's making that kind of decision with me, what kind of decisions is he going to make later on in life? So, what I did was this young man, I went to his head coach. He was assistant coach at the time. I went to his head coach and told him what happened. Well, the coach that didn't have socks on and was chewing gum, he ended up writing me a letter. He wrote me a letter of apology. So, he learned, but anyway, he ended up coming in SEC head basketball coach.  So, I try to tell that to the kids. I try to tell that to them. We try to teach them those kinds of things. The first year we try to teach them transitioning, like Johnny's situation. He played in front of 500 people, maybe in high school, and now he's playing in front of 10 million. So, what we try to do is help them make the transition. And we have former athletes, we have a panel discussion, former athletes come up and talk and all those kinds of things help them.  And then the last year we taught them how to write resumes and I would bring in people, for example, I brought in the general, the commanding general for Jackson and talked about leadership to our kids. And then another time, I brought in the guy that was head of Infor. Well Infor had 9,000 people. He's a former track athlete at South Carolina and he was an NCAA champion. So, the kids could relate to him. So, he talked about what was important in interviewing for a job. So, I try to do these kinds of things. The former president of Shell Organization was an A&M graduate. I brought him in to teach our administrators about leadership. So you try to help, they're not the finished product, so what you've got to be able to do is help them as they begin to grow and mature I their lives. So, when they springboard out of college, then they can be successful in whatever they do.  Eric, with where we are today in sports, trying to do what they can to continue to compete and bring fans in at a limited basis, and then just your historical perspective on decades and decades in the seat has become such a big business. It's an operating number that's bigger than a lot of companies right? With all the challenges that are out there now, what would you say to the AD's of today? How they navigate through the rest of this season, next season, going forward. I tell them they probably ought to go get a lobotomy. I feel for them. I think this is the most difficult time to be an athletic director. And I think there's three reasons why. Number one is COVID and the financial impact, and we haven't seen the end of it. And maybe there's some positives. Maybe there could be a reset button and maybe we can bring real things back a little bit. But COVID for example, it's going to be hit substantially because of not being able to bring the revenue and now being a private school, the school may be able to help underwrite them and make the transition. But you can talk about public schools. the state universities are really being hit financially.  So how are they going to cope with it? Well, that's a game changer in my opinion. And it's something that's probably going to hang with us for several years. Now, college football is going to be important and it's going to stay important. The amount of level of interest from fans' standpoint, they're staying home and they're watching it on TV, you may see a little bit of a drop-off there, but I think college football is here, will weather the test of time, but it might be configured a little bit differently than what it is today. [inaudible] So if you have X amount of dollars and those X amount of dollars run out, what are you going to do? I mean, you see schools around the country dropping sports. You see people are taking pay cuts all the way – they're having to cope. Quite frankly, some of this might be healthy in the long-term for college athletics because the spending has just gotten outrageous and the amount of money that you're paying for coaches – say what you want, but what happens is it's just going to springboard into the next thing, which is the empowerment of student athletes. And they see a coach is making $10 million a year or $7 million a year off of their backs and they get a scholarship. I've heard the rationalization, I've been involved with it. I know it's a little bit different than propaganda and it's coming out, having been immersed in it for so many years that the student athletes are beginning and the families are beginning to see it. And then why isn't there a little bit more of a balance? And, you're getting defensive coordinators who are making two and a half million dollars $3 million. And I don't begrudge any of the coaches. Don't get me wrong. That's the way our country was based. After the impact it's having and the kickback on it is what's happening to your student athletes. What's happening today, they feel they draw the short straw. And so that's why you're going to see the empowerment of student athletes. That's why you're seeing some things that could happen that could have a dramatic impact on their, their feelings and their say so. They're going to be more of a factor in the future than they have been in the past and they feel empowered about it. And some of its saying, ‘follow the money'/ Money corrupts, the money has just gotten so big in college athletics that there needs to be a little. bit of an adjustment period, and I think that will be healthy for college athletics if that takes place.  So, there's a lot of things that are going on. The first two things are COVID and the devastation financially, and then the empowerment of the student athletes. And then the last thing is name, image, and likeness. And that's something that's in the pipeline. Where it all comes out, I don't really know, but you're now having government intervention. They're saying that the discrepancy between what some of the coaches are making and how much money is being generated and what the student athletes are getting.  College athletics is sort of like the wild, wild West – the recruiting and everything else. I mean, you talk to people that are totally immersed in it. This might make it more difficult. Depends on the rules and stipulations, but it's going to allow students to generate income for themselves. So, how do you control that? I don't know. So, you have a coach of an SEC school comes up and says ‘we got 15 car dealerships' and they're gonna be a little more discreet than us, but they got 15 car dealerships and one of the dealerships would like you to represent them. And so they pay him X dollars. Well, how are you going to deal with it when say that guy's a quarterback? Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. Everybody knows Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback at Clemson. How I'll come out in the wash I have no idea, but the pressure points are there and something's going to come out. Some of these can come in the pipe, that's come out of the pipeline and it's really going to change the dynamics of what college athletics is today. Never a dull moment.  You mentioned when we were briefing earlier this week that there is a definite similarity between an athletic director and a CEO, but an athletic director always has that fan base in the media to deal with. Can you talk about how you navigated that and what that's gonna look like? I told my brother, a CEO of a company, and we would talk a lot of times about – I'm curious to how he runs his business and all those kinds of things, because maybe there's something that he does that could help me. The bottom line, the difference between the challenges that he went through and the challenges I went through, there's a lot of similarities business-wise but the biggest separator was the visibility. And so, I made decisions based on the facts. I knew at that time, not six months later, not a year later, I made decisions based on facts, but you have to deal with the media. You have to factor into the media of how they're going to deal with it, and it's gotten a lot worse today than what it was. I understand that there's a term that you've heard, the ‘fake media', and to a certain extent, I dealt with that. I dealt with firsthand the media, some of them are really trusted and some of them had no scruples whatsoever. That's just the reality of it. So I understand and I look at some of the things that are going on from a national standpoint with the John design because of my personal experiences. So, to deal with immediate is a challenge. And some of the media will probably tell you I was very – I can get my cards close to my chest – I was very guarded because I always felt as an athletic director, the athletic directors today are totally different.  They're out there. They're tweeting. They're instant. They're always there right there in the middle of it, a lot of the visibility was taking place. They want to be in the middle of it. I was a little bit on the other side, I felt that the athletic director got his name in the paper. That's probably not good news. And you know, was I over reacting to that? Probably so, but it changed. And I know in South Carolina we met with administrators. A lot of the young people, we had probably about 50 people in the room. Well, after the meeting was over with, about 10 of them came up to me and wanted me to do a Twitter account. And so they set up a Twitter account for me. And when they left the room, I said, ‘I ain't doing that'. And I never did, but it was a mistake on my part. I should, because there's so much information out there, it's more today than it was back then. There's so much misinformation out there.  This would have been a way to combat some of that. But in my mind, I said, ‘if I start having to do that, then I'll be on Twitter all the time, having to combat with the information that's out there'. So, the dealing with the media and I've had some of the media just flat lie. And they say things that were not true. They attribute things that I said were absolutely not true. And I confronted him, I confronted him about it. And of course what happened was once you confront them, then they're not your friend anymore. Not that they were your friend in the first place. So you have to have tough skin.  And so dealing with the media was a challenge. And like I said, I probably was over conservative with them. Maybe I should have been a little bit more open, but I just wasn't because I just felt through my own experience, there's some things that happened that I just didn't feel comfortable about. I can tell you a ton of stories; hired a coach at South Carolina, very highly visible men's basketball coach, I did everything to get them on the wrong track. And you have a number on the plane. We try to change the number on the private plane. I would park in the hangar. I would not let anybody know. I wouldn't tell anybody. I said there was no search committee. And there was no search committee that had an. individual help me with it, but there was no search committee. He did a lot of the groundwork. And so, the media, I mean, they drove him crazy and because the fans want what's going on, who they're interviewing, and it's the media.  If you throw enough against the wall, something's gonna stick. And so, we're trying to recruit this particular coach. Well, we did a pretty good job because in the end they didn't have a clue. And in the end they thought the individual, when we had the press conference called they went to the airport in Columbia and they were all out there waiting with their cameras, waiting for the person to walk off the plane.  Well, there was no person because that person flew in Charlotte and I went to pick them up. And what I'm trying to say, it's a game. That's the way I looked at it as a game. It's like, you're playing chess. And I gotta get after the King, I gotta know a checkmate to King and that's the way I looked at it. I looked at it a little bit. It was a game. And did I outwit him? What was the survival Outwit or whatever the TV show, out-think or outwit to survive. And that's what you gotta be able to do. And I didn't look at it as when somebody would make stories up about who I was recruiting or who I was talking to that we're not, I had no interest whatsoever, but they were putting them out there and that irritated me because they're lying. They're not being truthful about it. And they said a source, ‘well a source said this, a source said' – there was no source. I was the source, and I tried to control the message that was going out. So, all the things that we're putting out there were not true.  I mean, some of them made sure, like I said, something may stick against the wall just based on luck. But, the bottom line is it wasn't. And so, when we hired the guy and I was excited because we did a good job, keeping it as confidential as we possibly could – dealing with the media is a challenge. I had some people I really trusted. And I was very open with them. Some people really did not trust and I was very guarded, but I think the scruples, I think the ethics, I think the standards that the media operate today are so different than what they used to be. And I just don't think they're part of the equation as much as they used to be, and that may be because of the pressure of some getting it first and social media and all those kinds of things. But I think the AD's got a lot more difficult jobs than what they used to have.  Well I do want to ask one question that we may or may not have been fed prior to this podcase, but we've heard about a recurring annual nightmare. What can you tell us about that? Well, I have two of them. One of them is that I didn't take a class I should have taken in North Carolina. So, I'm going to have to go back and go to school and finish. I didn't really get a degree. So, I mean, that's one nightmare. I didn't want to have to go back and study. I don't want to have to go back and take the class because it was just a nightmare.  And then I had a nightmare that – I don't really want to say the school – but I had a nightmare that I'd have to go back to this particular school that I worked. And it was a very, very difficult experience for me. And I had that nightmare. I had it once a year. Now it's fallen off a little bit, but I had that once a year. So, I have had some nightmares from somebody that has maybe mentioned it to you about, and I don't know why it happens, but it ends up going back to those past experiences that had left an indelible mark with me. So in the spirit to the podcast, we heard about your climb of Grey's Peak. Can you talk about that a little bit? I have a bucket list of things, like I'm a biker and I bike 40, 50 miles, 20 to 50 miles. And one of my bucket lists was going over the Golden Gate bridge on bike, and I did that. One of my bucket lists declined by 14 and I did that with my son. And that's one of the highlights of my life – was it easy? No. And, I was 60 years old when I did it and we probably crossed maybe 20 people and I'd say most all of them were in their teens or their twenties. And when we cross paths, across all people, I saw one guy in his thirties, he was running up the mountain. But anyway, we got to about 1500 feet from the top, and I again, I'm 60 years old and we got 1500 feet from the top and it was getting to me and my son comes up to me and says he starts being a cheerleader.  And I said, ‘I don't want to hear, listen to you'. So, for 1500 feet, all I said was right foot left foot right foot left foot. And I just focused on putting one foot in front of the other. Well, I got to the top and people don't understand it. So this was 1400 to 14,280 feet. So, I got to the top and there's no McDonald's up there. And there's no park ranger saying welcome or a bathroom or anything like that. You just lay out rocks.  It was a great experience. I loved doing it and it'll be one of the best memories of my life. It's one of the best memories of my life to be able to tell, to take that challenge with your son and to be together, he brought his German shepherd and to go through something like that – I'll never forget it. And it was a unique moment in my life.  That is awesome, Eric. One of the questions that we'd like to ask, and it's kind of become probably an unrealized passion about doing this if you think about the medium of a podcast, we're capturing your story right now. It's not a Twitter feed that disappears into the mix. A Twitter feeds this. This is a story that now people can go back and listen to and remember your journey along the way. And so there's that saying that its not what you kno, it's who you know; we reverse it around and say it's not who you know, it's who knows you. So, and think about the people that are going to listen to this, your family, your son: what do you want people to know about you? Well, you know, that's interesting. You're around here once. So if I had to look back over my career, I would stop and smell the roses. And I would want people to do the same thing because you get on the fast track and you're turning as fast as you can turn, but if I had to do it again, I would like to go on a vacation. I'd take more time with my family. Now, the great thing about grandchildren. It gives you a second chance where with your children – and my wife did a marvelous job of raising our children. And not that I wasn't there, I coached their baseball team and our softball team and that kind of stuff, but I wasn't there as much as I should have been. So, what I would say to somebody else is to try to enjoy it and live in the moment. Not in the past, not in the future, but live in the moment and enjoy, look, stop and smell the roses and to focus maybe a little bit differently than maybe what you have in your job, because – and this is what my wife told me – when it's all said and done, when I'm near the end, who's going to be there for me? It's going to be my family. It's not going to be all these other people in life. And you begin to find out who your true friends are when you're through with your professional career. And so that's what I would try to tell people, stop and smell the roses and enjoy themselves. Don't get too far ahead of themselves. And that's the first thing that comes to my mind. I mean, there are other things, but that was the first thing that would jump out at me.  That's perfect. Well said. Well thank you so much for joining us today and sharing all this great stuff with us. It's definitely a different podcast for us to have, and we've had a lot of folks on from the business world, and not saying this isn't the business world because clearly the roles you were in are very business and in so many different respects, but we appreciate you sharing everything with us today.  Well, it's been my pleasure and I'm glad to be able to visit with you. And I think I said this earlier to young people, be a sponge. And listen in your life, look around and try to learn. Always learn, always learn as you're always learning. When you stop learning, you stop growing.  And so, it's been my pleasure to visit with you all. And hopefully, maybe there's a person out there that can benefit from one of the things I've said or they can say I'm thinking about athletics, but I'm going to go get that lobotomy first. I told that to a girl, one time a student athlete at A&M they came to me and asked me what it was. You know, everybody's got a different perception of what being an athletic director really is. And she came to me and she wanted it. What did it take to be an athletic director? How can the path I took and all those kinds of things? Well, I said the first thing I said, ‘you need to have a lobotomy' and she didn't know what that was. And so, I said, ‘well go ask your parents'. And then I went through and I explained to her, well, she went to her parents and asked what a lobotomy was and they laughed. And she came back to me and she was mad at me for saying that to her.  But I say that all in fun. When I talk about that, it's a very challenging job. It's never been boring. It's never been dull. Has it been over challenging? Probably. Over stimulating? Probably. But it's been different. And I think different than the people in that, we're all different. Your job's different. The two of you have different jobs, different responsibilities and people in whatever walk of life you have. And so sometimes in athletics, we think woe is me, but everybody's got problems. The key is to solve. And you have to solve your problems. Like I said earlier, the only thing is you're so visible, which makes a difference. If you work for an insurance company, obviously you have people that work for the company. If it's a privately owned, you don't have shareholders stock, but if you're a publicly traded, then you've got those people that you got to deal with.  So, you know, everybody's got challenges. You just got to be able to try to hit, to take them head on.   

The guys break down the fights, the decisions, the character developments and funny bear moments in this, the season 2 finale and one of the best episodes of the entire show. Pre-Show: The Trial of The Chicago Seven, Blue Jay, The Magnus Archives Show Starts: 10:10 #blacklivesmatterFor ways to support, Donation Links, and anti-racist resources: https://linktr.ee/blacklivesmatter Featured Donation Link:National Black Child Development Institute: https://www.nbcdi.org/

Aaron Brooks joins Av and Sam for On The Rocks (29:20), the third cinematic marriage of Bill Murray and Sofia Coppola. We also dive into a bevy of recent watches about fathers and daughters, discussing Dick Johnson is Dead, Shithouse, The Kid Detective, Borat Subsequent Moviefilm, The Trial of the Chicago Seven, Rebecca, Spontaneous, The 40 Year Old Version, A Call to Spy and Save Yourselves! Plus: A Classic Corner (39:00) devoted to a certain 007. Outre: “Happy Street” ft. Bill Murray, Paul Shaffer and The World's Most Dangerous Band

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Join actor and Hollywood screenwriter, Rob Gibbs, and Sweet Tea's Artistic Director, Jeremy Fiebig, on this After Hours podcast episode as they discuss their current TV obsessions -- Ted Lasso and Aaron Sorkin's The Trial of the Chicago Seven. Oh, and sandwiches. Welcome to the Sweet Tea Shakespeare Hours, where we spend time well by spending it together. Think of the Hours as a way to pass the time around a common table of ideas. We're a community seeking to delight in story, song, and stagecraft even as we confront a world of change and challenge. You can find our whole catalogue here. The Hours are only possible because of regular support from our monthly sustainers and patrons. Please consider making a monthly pledge on Patreon. With options beginning at just $5, and plenty of great perks, you'll find a great way to join the STS family. You can always contact the Sweet Tea Shakespeare Hours at hours@sweetteashakespeare.com. JOIN our Facebook community here. The show is produced by Claire Martin and Jeremy Fiebig and edited by Ashanti Bennett. Jen Pommerenke and Julie Schaefer also assisted with this episode. Consider following us on social media: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Twitch This project is supported by the Arts Council in part by contributions from businesses and individuals, and through grants from the City of Fayetteville, Cumberland County and the North Carolina Arts Council, a division of the Department of Natural & Cultural Resources. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/sweetteashakes/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sweetteashakes/support

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It's Hamilton weekend. Unsubscribed: The Zero-Dollar Budget Box-Office Winner. In The Rumor-mill: will 7-9 be removed from canon? Sorkin's new Netflix thing on the Chicago Seven. Walmart Going Drive-in! Carl Reiner. (1967 Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour bit) Listen: A Brand New Me: Aretha Franklin (with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra). Steve's Trailer: The Tax Collector Kyle's Trailer: Palm Springs JJ's Trailer: Respect THE LIST!Miscast Historical Figures!Steve's List The Mask of Zorro The Ten Commandments Steve Jobs Kyle's List Laurence of Arabia Jefferson in Paris The Conqueror JJ's List Young Guns The Last Samurai I'm Not There 00:00 - 2020-07-04 • Saturday Matinée 00:32 - Hamilton is here so... we're talking Disney and stuff 05:36 - Unsubscribed: The Zero-Dollar Budget Box-Office Winner 09:01 - In The Rumormill: will 7-9 be removed from canon? 14:12 - Sorkin's new Netflix thing on the Chicago Seven 17:43 - OscarsSoCancelled? 21:38 - Walmart Going Drive-in! 23:00 - Also, Vudu sold to Fandango... from Walmart. It's all very confusing. 24:53 - Carl Reiner on the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour 1967 27:45 - Let's Do Trailers 38:26 - Aretha with Orchestra thanks to the Royal Phil 39:08 - IMDB Game 49:23 - The List: Miscast Historical Figures 01:04:08 - Coming Attractions

It's Hamilton weekend. Unsubscribed: The Zero-Dollar Budget Box-Office Winner. In The Rumor-mill: will 7-9 be removed from canon? Sorkin's new Netflix thing on the Chicago Seven. Walmart Going Drive-in! Carl Reiner. (1967 Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour bit) Listen: A Brand New Me: Aretha Franklin (with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra). Steve's Trailer: The Tax Collector Kyle's Trailer: Palm Springs JJ's Trailer: Respect THE LIST!Miscast Historical Figures!Steve's List The Mask of Zorro The Ten Commandments Steve Jobs Kyle's List Laurence of Arabia Jefferson in Paris The Conqueror JJ's List Young Guns The Last Samurai I'm Not There 00:00 - 2020-07-04 • Saturday Matinée 00:32 - Hamilton is here so... we're talking Disney and stuff 05:36 - Unsubscribed: The Zero-Dollar Budget Box-Office Winner 09:01 - In The Rumormill: will 7-9 be removed from canon? 14:12 - Sorkin's new Netflix thing on the Chicago Seven 17:43 - OscarsSoCancelled? 21:38 - Walmart Going Drive-in! 23:00 - Also, Vudu sold to Fandango... from Walmart. It's all very confusing. 24:53 - Carl Reiner on the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour 1967 27:45 - Let's Do Trailers 38:26 - Aretha with Orchestra thanks to the Royal Phil 39:08 - IMDB Game 49:23 - The List: Miscast Historical Figures 01:04:08 - Coming Attractions

We have finally reached the episode that you've (Casey Jones) been waiting for: The Hamilton Episode. Alex and Ian (who have never seen/heard Hamilton before) watch the movie version of the Musical Phenomenon, with the sage guidance of our resident Hamilton expert, Casey Jones. Hollywood Legend Carl Reiner Passes Away at 96 - 00:25. Netflix Buys the Global Rights to Aaron Sorkin's "The Trail of the Chicago Seven" - 2:17. Boys State Trailer - 11:54. Hamilton: The Show: The Movie - 18:00. Dressed to Kill - 1:07:00. Pink Flamingos - 1:12:35. Thank you for listening!Please rate us and follow us wherever you listen to this podcast. You find us on Twitter @VidStoreClerks and you can listen on our website at VideoStoreClerks.com.  

On today's episode we discuss "Tenet" being delayed (again), Netflix's acquisition of Aaron Sorkin's "The Trial of the Chicago Seven", a new "Pirates of the Caribbean" film staring Margot Robbie, a Fallout television series announced for Amazon Prime, and films we enjoyed from 2019. Weekly Recommendations Dead to Me Good Time La Haine The Housemaid Dark  Crossing Swords American Black Book Support the BLM movement by donating to the organizations below Black Visions Collective Campaign Zero Unicorn Riot Stay at home and stay safe

Part two of our conversation with Academy Award nominee Brett Morgen. Brett is an American documentary film director, producer and social commentator. His recent film , Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck was a one of the most talked about films of this year, and his past films, The Kid Stays in The Picture, Chicago Seven, and Crossfire Hurricane are some of the most inventive and imaginative documentaries of the last 15 years. Listen in as Brett and Cris talk about Robert Evans, The Rolling Stones and a little band out of the Pacific NW known as Nirvana,

Part one of our conversation with Academy Award nominee Brett Morgen. Brett is an American documentary film director, producer and social commentator. His recent film , Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck was a one of the most talked about films of this year, and his past films, The Kid Stays in The Picture, Chicago Seven, and Crossfire Hurricane are some of the most inventive and imaginative documentaries of the last 15 years. Listen in as Brett and Cris talk about Robert Evans, The Rolling Stones and a little band out of the Pacific NW known as Nirvana,