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Join Christina Warren and Brett Terpstra as they navigate the freezing Minnesotan cold without running water, delve into the intersection of tech and political turmoil, and explore the latest in AI agents and multi-agent workflows. Dive into a whirlwind of emotions, tech tips, and political ranting, all while contemplating the ethics of open source funding and AI coding. From brutal weather updates to philosophical debates on modern fascism, this episode pulls no punches. Sponsor Copilot Money can help you take control of your finances. Get a fresh start with your money for 2026 with 2 months free when you visit try.copilot.money/overtired. Show Links Crimethinc: Being “Peaceful” and “Law-Abiding” Will Not Stop Authoritarianism Gas Town Apex OpenCode Backdrop Cindori Sensei Moltbot Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Host Updates 00:21 Brett’s Water Crisis 02:27 Political Climate and Media Suppression 06:32 Police Violence and Public Response 18:31 Social Media and Surveillance 22:15 Sponsor Break: Copilot Money 26:20 Tech Talk: Gas Town and AI Agents 31:58 Crypto Controversies 37:09 Ethics in Journalism and Personal Dilemmas 39:45 The Future of Open Source and Cryptocurrency 45:03 Apex 1.0? 48:25 Challenges and Innovations in Markdown Processing 01:02:16 AI in Coding and Personal Assistants 01:06:36 GrAPPtitude 01:14:40 Conclusion and Upcoming Plans Join the Conversation Merch Come chat on Discord! Twitter/ovrtrd Instagram/ovrtrd Youtube Get the Newsletter Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff, Christina as @film_girl, Jeff as @jsguntzel, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript AI Agents and Political Chaos Introduction and Host Updates Christina: [00:00:00] Welcome back. You’re listening to Overtired. I’m Christina Warren. Joined as always by Brett Terpstra. Jeff Severns. Guntzel could not be with us this week, um, but uh, but Brett and I are here. So Brett, how are you? How’s the cold? Brett: The cold. Brett’s Water Crisis Brett: So I’m going on day four without running water. Um, I drove to my parents last night to shower and we’re, we’re driving loads of dishes to friends’ house to wash them. We have big buckets of melted snow in our bathtub that we use to flush the Toyland. Um, and we have like big jugs with a spout on them for drinking water. So we’re surviving, but it is highly inconvenient. Um, and we don’t know yet if it’s a frozen pipe. Or if we have [00:01:00] a bad pump on our, well, uh, hopefully we’ll find that out today. But no guarantees because all the plumbers are very busy right now with negative 30 degree weather. They tend to get a lot of calls, lots of stuff happens. Um, so yeah, but I’m, I’m staying warm. I got a fireplace, I got my heat’s working Christina: I mean, that’s the important thing. Brett: and that went out, that went out twice, in, twice already. This winter, our heat has gone out, um, which I’m thankful. We, we finally, we added glycol to our, so our heat pumps water through, like, it’s not radiators, it’s like baseboard heat, but it, it uses water and. Um, and though we were getting like frozen spots, not burst pipes, just enough that the water wouldn’t go through fast enough to heat anything. So we added glycol to that [00:02:00] system to bring the freeze point down to like zero degrees. So it’s not perfect, but we also hardwired the pump so that it always circulates water, um, even when the heat’s not running. So hopefully it’ll never freeze again. That’s the goal. Um, and if we replace the well pump, that should be good for another 20 years. So hopefully after this things will be smoother. Political Climate and Media Suppression Brett: Um, yeah, but that, that’s all in addition to, you know, my state being occupied by federal agents and even in my small town, we’ve got people being like, abducted. Things are escalating quickly at this point, and a lot of it doesn’t get talked about on mainstream media. Um, but yeah, things, I don’t know, man. I think we’re making progress because, um, apparently Binos [00:03:00] getting retired Christina: I was going to say, I, I, I, I heard, I heard that, and I don’t know if that’s good or if that’s bad. Um, I can’t, I can’t tell. Brett: it’s, it’s like, it’s like if Trump died, we wouldn’t know if that was good or bad because JD Vance as president, like maybe things get way worse. Who knows? Uh, none of these, none of these actual figureheads are the solution. Removing them isn’t the solution to removing the kinda maga philosophy behind it. But yeah, and that’s also Jeff is, you know, highly involved and I, I won’t, I won’t talk about that for him. I hope we can get him monsoon to talk about that. Christina: No, me, me, me too. Because I’ve, I’ve been thinking about, about him and about you and about your whole area, your communities, you know, from several thousand miles away. Like all, all we, all we see is either what people post online, which of course now is being suppressed. [00:04:00] Uh, thanks a lot. You know, like, like the, oh, TikTok was gonna be so terrible. Chi the, the Chinese are gonna take over our, uh, our algorithms. Right? No, Larry Ellison is, is actually going to completely, you know, fuck up the algorithms, um, and, and suppress anything. I, yeah. Yeah. They’re, they’re Brett: is TikTok? Well, ’cause Victor was telling me that, they were seeing videos. Uh, you would see one frame of the video and then it would black out. And it all seemed to be videos that were negative towards the administration and we weren’t sure. Is this a glitch? Is this coincidence? Christina: well, they claim it’s a glitch, but I don’t believe it. Brett: Yeah, it seems, it seems Christina: I, I mean, I mean, I mean, the thing is like, maybe it is, maybe it is a glitch and we’re overreacting. I don’t know. Um, all I know is that they’ve given us absolutely zero reason to trust them, and so I don’t, and so, um, uh, apparently the, the state of California, this is, [00:05:00] so we are recording this on Tuesday morning. Apparently the state of California has said that they are going to look into whether things are being, you know, suppressed or not, and if that’s violating California law, um, because now that, that, that TikTok is, is controlled by an American entity, um, even if it is, you know, owned by like a, you know, uh, evil, uh, billionaire, you know, uh, crony sto fuck you, Larry Ellison. Um, uh, I guess that means we won’t be getting an Oracle sponsorship. Sorry. Um, uh, Brett: take it anyway. Christina: I, I know you wouldn’t, I know you wouldn’t. That’s why I felt safe saying that. Um, but, uh, but even if, if, if that were the case, like I, you know, but apparently like now that it is like a, you know, kind of, you know, state based like US thing, like California could step in and potentially make things difficult for them. I mean, I think that’s probably a lot of bluster on Newsom’s part. I don’t think that he could really, honestly achieve any sort of change if they are doing things to the algorithm. Brett: Yeah. Uh, [00:06:00] if, if laws even matter anymore, it would be something that got tied up in court for a long time Christina: Right. Which effectively wouldn’t matter. Right. And, and then that opens up a lot of other interesting, um, things about like, okay, well, you know, should we, like what, what is the role? Like even for algorithmically determined things of the government to even step in or whatever, right now, obviously does, I think, become like more of a speech issue if it’s government speech that’s being suppressed, but regardless, it, it is just, it’s bad. So I’ve been, I’ve been thinking about you, I’ve been thinking about Jeff. Police Violence and Public Response Christina: Um, you know, we all saw what happened over the weekend and, and, you know, people be, people are being murdered in the streets and I mean that, that, that’s what’s happening. And, Brett: white people no less, Christina: Right. Well, I mean, that’s the thing, right? Like, is that like, but, but, but they keep moving the bar. They, they keep moving the goalpost, right? So first it’s a white woman and, oh, she, she was, she was running over. The, the officer [00:07:00] or the ice guy, and it’s like, no, she wasn’t, but, but, but that, that’s immediately where they go and, and she’s, you know, radical whatever and, and, and a terrorist and this and that. Okay. Then you have a literal veterans affair nurse, right? Like somebody who literally, like, you know, has, has worked with, with, with combat veterans and has done those things. Who, um, is stepping in to help someone who’s being pepper sprayed, you know, is, is just observing. And because he happens to have, um, a, a, a, a gun on him legally, which he’s allowed to do, um, they immediately used that as cover to execute him. But if he hadn’t had the gun, they would’ve, they would’ve come up with something else. Oh, we thought he had a gun, and they, you know what I mean? So like, they, they got lucky with that one because they removed the method, the, the, the weapon and then shot him 10 times. You know, they literally executed him in the street. But if he hadn’t had a gun, they still would’ve executed. Brett: Yeah, no, for sure. Um, it’s really frustrating that [00:08:00] they took the gun away. So he was disarmed and, and immobilized and then they shot him. Um, like so that’s just a straight up execution. And then to bring, like, to say that it, he, because he had a gun, he was dangerous, is such a, an affront to America has spent so long fighting against gun control and saying that we had the right to carry fucking assault rifles in the Christina: Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse was literally acquitted. Right? Brett: Yeah. And he killed people. Christina: and, and he killed people. He was literally walking around little fucking stogey, you know, little blubbering little bitch, like, you know, crying, you know, he’s like carrying around like Rambo a gun and literally snipe shooting people. That’s okay. Brett: They defended Christina: if you have a. They defended him. Of course they did. Right? Of course they did. Oh, well he has the right to carry and this and that, and Oh, you should be able to be armed in [00:09:00] these places. Oh, no, but, but if you’re, um, somebody that we don’t like Brett: Yeah, Christina: and you have a concealed carry permit, and I don’t even know if he was really concealed. Right. Because I think that if you have it on your holster, I don’t even think that counts as concealed to Brett: was supposedly in Christina: I, I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t. Brett: like it Christina: Which I don’t think counts as concealed. I think. Brett: No. Christina: Right, right. So, so, so, so, so that, that, that wouldn’t be concealed. Be because you have someone in, in that situation, then all of a sudden, oh, no. Now, now the, the key, the goalpost, okay, well, it’s fine if it’s, you know, uh, police we don’t like, or, or other people. And, and, and if you’re going after protesters, then you can shoot and kill whoever you want, um, because you’ve perceived a threat and you can take actions into your, to your own hands. Um, but now if you are even a white person, um, even, you know, someone who’s, who’s worked in Veterans Affairs, whatever, if, if you have, uh, even if you’re like a, a, a, you know, a, a gun owner and, and have permits, um, now [00:10:00] if we don’t like you and you are anywhere in the vicinity of anybody associated with law enforcement, now they have the right to shoot you dead. Like that’s, that’s, that’s the argument, which is insanity. Brett: so I’m, I’m just gonna point out that as the third right came to power, they disarmed the Jews and they disarmed the anarchists and the socialists and they armed the rest of the population and it became, um, gun control for people they didn’t like. Um, and this is, it’s just straight up the same playbook. There’s no, there’s no differentiation anymore. Christina: No, it, it, it actively makes me angry that, um, I, I could be, because, ’cause what can we do? And, and what they’re counting on is the fact that we’re all tired and we’re all kind of, you know, like just, [00:11:00] you know, from, from what happened, you know, six years ago and, and, and what happened, you know, five years ago. Um, and, and, and various things. I think a lot of people are, are just. It kind of like Brett: Sure. Christina: done with, with, with being able to, to, to, right. But now the actual fascism is here, right? Like, like we, we, we saw a, a, you know, a whiff of this on, on, on January 6th, but now it’s actual fascism and they control every branch of government. Brett: Yeah. Christina: And, um, and, and, and I, and I don’t know what we’re supposed to do, right? Like, I mean it, because I mean, you know, uh, Philadelphia is, is, is begging for, for, for them to come. And I think that would be an interesting kind of standoff. Seattle is this, this is what a friend of mine said was like, you know, you know Philadelphia, Filch Philadelphia is begging them to come. Seattle is like scared. Um, that, that they’re going to come, um, because honestly, like we’re a bunch of little bitch babies and, um, [00:12:00] people think they’re like, oh, you know the WTO. I’m like, yeah, that was, that was 27 years ago. Um, uh, I, I don’t think that Seattle has the juice to hold that sort of line again. Um, but I also don’t wanna find out, right? Like, but, but, but this is, this is the attack thing. It’s like, okay, why are they in Minnesota? Right? They’re what, like 130,000, um, Brett: exactly Christina: um, immigrants in, in Minnesota. There are, there are however many million in Texas, however many million in Florida. We know exactly why, right? This isn’t about. Anything more than Brett: in any way. Christina: and opt. Right, right. It has nothing, it has nothing to do with, with, with immigration anyway. I mean, even, even the Wall Street Journal. The Wall Street Journal who a, you know, ran an op-ed basically saying get out of Minnesota. They also, they also had like a, you know, a news story, which was not from the opinion board, which like broke down the, the, the footage showing, you know, that like the, the video footage doesn’t match the administration’s claims, but they also ran a story. Um, that [00:13:00] basically did the math, I guess, on like the number of, of criminals, um, or people with criminal records who have been deported. And at this point, like in, you know, and, and when things started out, like, I guess when the raid started out, the, the majority of the people that they were kind of going after were people who had criminal records. Now, whether they were really violent, the worst, the worst, I mean that’s, I’m, I’m not gonna get into that, but you could at least say like, they, they could at least say, oh, well these were people who had criminal records, whatever. Now some, some huge percentage, I think it’s close to 80% don’t have anything. And many of the people that do the, the criminal like thing that they would hold would be, you know, some sort of visa violation. Right. So it’s, it’s, it’s Brett: they deported a five-year-old kid after using him as bait to try to get the rest of his family. Christina: as bait. Brett: Yeah. And like it’s, it’s pretty deplorable. But I will say I am proud of Minnesota. Um, they have not backed [00:14:00] down. They have stood up in the face of increasing increasingly escalated attacks, and they have shown up in force thousands of people out in the streets. Like Conti, like last night they had a, um, well, yeah, I mean, it’s been ongoing, but, uh, what’s his name? Preddy Alex. Um, at the place where he was shot, they had a, like continuing kind of memorial protest, I guess, and there’s footage of like a thousand, a thousand mins surrounding about 50, um, ICE agents and. Like basically corralling them to the point where they were all backed into a corner and weren’t moving. And I don’t know what happened after that. Um, but thus far it hasn’t been violent on the part of protesters. It’s been very violent on the part of ice. I [00:15:00] personally, I don’t know where I stand on, like, I feel like the Democrats are urging pacifism because it affects their hold on power. And I don’t necessarily think that peace when they’re murdering us in the street. I don’t know if peace is the right response, but I don’t know. I’m not openly declaring that I support violence at this point, but. At the same time, do I not? I’m not sure. Like I keep going back and forth on is it time for a war or do we try to vote our way out of this? Christina: I mean, well, and the scary thing about voting our way out of this is will we even be able to have free elections, right? Be because they’re using any sort of anything, even the most benign sort of legal [00:16:00] protest, even if violence isn’t involved in all of a sudden, talks of the Insurrection Act come Brett: yeah. And Trump, Trump offered to pull out of Minnesota if Minnesota will turn over its voter database to the federal government. Like that’s just blatant, like that’s obviously the end goal is suppression. Christina: Right, right. And, and so to your point, I don’t know. Right. And I’m, I’m never somebody who would wanna advocate outwardly for violence, but I, I, I, I, I don’t know. I mean, they’re killing citizens in the streets. They’re assassinating people in cold blood. They’re executing people, right. That’s what they’re doing. They’re literally executing people in the streets and then covering it up in real time. Brett: if the argument is, if we are violent, it will cause them to kill us. They’re already killing Christina: already doing it. Right. So at, at this point, I mean, like, you know, I mean, like, w to your point, wars have been started for, for, for less, or for the exact same things. Brett: [00:17:00] Yeah. Christina: So, I don’t know. I don’t know. Um, I know that that’s a depressing way to probably do mental health corner and whatnot, but this is what’s happening in our world right now and in and in your community, and it’s, it’s terrifying. Brett: I’m going to link in the show notes an article from Crime Think that was written by, uh, people in Germany who have studied, um, both historical fascism and the current rise of the A FD, which will soon be the most powerful party in Germany, um, which is straight up a Nazi party. Um, and it, they offered, like their hope right now lies in America stopping fascism. Christina: Yeah. Brett: Like if we can, if we can stop fascism, then they believe the rest of Europe can stop fascism. Um, but like they, it, it’s a good article. It kind of, it kind of broaches the same questions I do about like, is it [00:18:00] time for violence? And they offer, like, we don’t, we’re not advocating for a civil war, but like Civil wars might. If you, if you, if you broach them as revolutions, it’s kind of, they’re kind of the same thing in cases like this. So anyway, I’ll, I’ll link that for anyone who wants to read kinda what’s going on in my head. I’m making a note to dig that up. I, uh, I love Crime Fake Oh and Blue Sky. Social Media and Surveillance Brett: Um, so I have not, up until very recently been an avid Blue Sky user. Um, I think I have like, I think I have maybe like 200 followers there and I follow like 50 people. But I’ve been expanding that and I am getting a ton of my news from Blue Sky and like to get stories from people on the ground, like news as it happens, unfiltered and Blue Sky has been [00:19:00] really good for that. Um, I, it’s. There’s not like an algorithm. I just get my stuff and like Macedon, I have a much larger following and I follow a lot more people, but it’s very tech, Christina: It’s very tech and, Brett: there for. Christina: well, and, and MAs on, um, understandably too is also European, um, in a lot of regards. And so it’s just, it’s not. Gonna have the same amount of, of people who are gonna be able to, at least for instances like this, like be on the ground and doing real-time stuff. It’s not, it doesn’t have like the more normy stuff. So, no, that makes sense. Um, no, that’s great. I think, yeah, blue Sky’s been been really good for, for these sorts of real-time events because again, they don’t have an algorithm. Like you can have one, like for a personalized kind of like for you feed or whatever, but in terms of what you see, you know, you see it naturally. You’re not seeing it being adjusted by anything, which can be good and bad. I, I think is good because nothing’s suppressing things and you see things in real time. It can be bad because sometimes you miss things, but I think on the whole, it’s better. [00:20:00] The only thing I will say, just to anyone listening and, and just to spread onto, you know, people in your communities too, from what I’ve observed from others, like, it does seem like the, the government and other sorts of, you know, uh, uh, the, you know, bodies like that are finally starting to pay more attention to blue sky in terms of monitoring things. And so that’s not to say don’t. You know, use it at all. But the same way, you don’t make threats on Twitter if you don’t want the Feds to show up at your house. Don’t make threats on Blue Sky, because it’s not just a little microcosm where, you know, no one will see it. People are, it, it’s still small, but it’s, it’s getting bigger to the point that like when people look at like where some of the, the, the fire hose, you know, things observable things are there, there seem to be more and more of them located in the Washington DC area, which could just be because data centers are there, who knows? But I’ve also just seen anecdotally, like people who have had, like other instances, it’s like, don’t, don’t think [00:21:00] that like, oh, okay, well, you know, no one’s monitoring this. Um, of course people are so just don’t be dumb, don’t, don’t say things that could potentially get you in trouble. Um. Brett: a political candidate in Florida. Um, had the cops show up at her house and read her one of her Facebook posts. I mean, this was local. This was local cops, but still, yeah, you Christina: right. Well, yeah, that’s the thing, right? No, totally. And, and my, my only point with that is we’ve known that they do that for Facebook and for, for, you know, Twitter and, and, uh, you know, Instagram and things like that, but they, but Blue Sky, like, I don’t know if it’s on background checks yet, but it, uh, like for, uh, for jobs and things like that, I, I, I don’t know if that’s happening, but it definitely is at that point where, um, I know that people are starting to monitor those things. So just, you know, uh, not even saying for you per se, but just for anybody out there, like, it’s awesome and I’m so glad that like, that’s where people can get information out, but don’t be like [00:22:00] lulled into this false sense of security. Like, oh, well they’re not gonna monitor this. They’re not Brett: Nobody’s watching me here. Christina: It is like, no, they are, they are. Um, so especially as it becomes, you know, more prominent. So I’m, I’m glad that that’s. That’s an option there too. Um, okay. 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Download copilot money on your devices or visit. Try copilot money slash [00:24:00] overti today to claim you’re two months free and embrace a more organized, stress-free approach to your finances. Try copilot.money/ Overtired. Brett: Awesome that I appreciate this segue. ’cause we, we, we could, we could be talking about other things. Um, like it’s, it feels so weird, like when I go on social media and I just want to post that like my water’s out. It feels out of place right now because there’s everything that’s going on feels so much more important than, Christina: Right. Brett: than anything else. Um, but there’s still a place for living our lives, um, Christina: there are a absolutely. I mean, and, and, and in a certain extent, like not to, I mean, maybe this is a little bit of a cope, but it’s like, if all we do is focus on the things that we can’t control at the expense of everything else, it’s like then they win. You know? Like, which, which isn’t, which, which isn’t even to [00:25:00] say, like, don’t talk about what’s happening. Don’t try to help, don’t try to speak out and, and, um, and do what we can do, but also. Like as individuals, there’s very little we can control about things. And being completely, you know, subsumed by that is, is not necessarily good either. Um, so yeah, there’s, there, there are other things going on and it’s important for us to get out of our heads. It’s important, especially for you, you know, being in the region, I think to be able to, to focus on other things and, and hopefully your water will be back soon. ’cause that sucks like that. I’ve been, I’ve been worried about you. I’m glad that you have heat. I’m glad you have internet. I’m glad you have power, but you know, the pipes being frozen and all that stuff is like, not Brett: it, the, the internet has also been down for up to six hours at a time. I don’t know why. There’s like an amplifier down on our street. Um, and that has sucked because I, out here, I live in a, I’m not gonna call it rural. Uh, we’re like five minutes from town, [00:26:00] but, um, we, we don’t. We have shitty internet. Like I pay for a gigabit and I get 500 megabits and it’s, and it’s up and down all the time and I hate it. But anyway. Tech Talk: Gas Town and AI Agents Brett: Let’s talk about, uh, let’s talk about Gas Town. What can you tell me about Gastown? Christina: Okay. So we’ve talked a lot about like AI agents and, um, kind of like, uh, coding, um, loops and, and things like that. And so Gastown, uh, which is available, um, at, I, it is not Gas Town. Let me find the URL, um, one second. It’s, it’s at a gas town. No, it’s not. Lemme find it. Um. Right. So this is a thing that, that Steve Yy, uh, has created, and [00:27:00] it is a multi-agent workspace manager. And so the idea is basically that you can be running like a lot of instances of, um, of, of Claude Code or, um, I guess you could use Codex. You could use, uh, uh, uh, co-pilot, um, SDK or CLI agent and whatnot. Um, and basically what it’s designed to do is to basically let you coordinate like multiple coding agents at one time so they can all be working on different tasks, but then instead of having, um, like the context get lost when agents restart, it creates like a, a persistent, um, like. Work state, which it uses with, with git on the backend, which is supposed to basically enable more multi-agent workflows. So, um, basically the idea would be like, you get, have multiple agents working at once, kind of talking to one another, handing things off, you know, each doing their own task and then coordinating the work with what the other ones are doing. But then you have like a persistent, um, uh, I guess kind of like, you know, layer in the backend so that if an agent has to restart or whatever, it’s not gonna lose the, [00:28:00] the context, um, that that’s happening. And you don’t have to manually, um, worry about things like, okay, you know, I’ve lost certain things in memory and, and I’ve, you know, don’t know how I’m, I’m managing all these things together. Um, there, there’s another project, uh, called Ralph, which is kind of based on this, this concept of like, what of Ralph Wickham was, you know, coding or, or was doing kind of a loop. And, and it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s kind of a similar idea. Um, there’s also. Brett: my nose wouldn’t bleed so much if I just kept my finger out of there. Christina: Exactly, exactly. My cat’s breath smells like cat food. Um, and um, and so. Like there are ideas of like Ralph Loops and Gastown. And so these are a couple of like projects, um, that have really started to, uh, take over. So like, uh, Ralph is more of an autonomous AI agent loop that basically like it runs like over and over and over again until, uh, a task is done. Um, and, and a lot of people use, use Gastown and, [00:29:00] and, and Ralph together. Um, but yeah, no Ga gastown is is pretty cool. Um, we’ll we’re gonna talk about it more ’cause it’s my pick of the week. We’ll talk about Molt bot previously known as Claude Bot, which is, uses some, some similar ideas. But it’s really been interesting to see like how, like the, the multi-agent workflow, and by multi-agent, I mean like, people are running like 20 or 30 of them, you know, at a time. So it’s more than that, um, is really starting to become a thing that people can, uh, can do. Um, Brett: gets expensive though. Christina: I was, I was just about to say that’s the one thing, right? Most people who are using things like Gastown. Are using them with the Claude, um, code Max plans, which is $200 a month. And those plans do give you more value than like, what the, what it would be if you spent $200 in API credits, uh, but $200 a month. Like that’s not an expensive, that’s, you know, that, that’s, that, that, like, you know what I mean? Like, like that, that, that, that, that, that’s a lot of money to spend on these sorts of things. Um, but people [00:30:00] are getting good results out of it. It’s pretty cool. Um. There have been some open models, which of course, most people don’t have equipment that would be fast enough for them to, to run, uh, to be able to kind of do what they would want, um, reliably. But the, the AgTech stuff coming to some of the open models is better. And so if these things can continue, of course now we’re in a ram crisis and storage crisis and everything else, so who knows when the hardware will get good enough again, and we can, when we as consumers can even reasonably get things ourselves. But, but in, in theory, you know, if, if these sorts of things continue, I could see like a, a world where like, you know, some of the WAN models and some of the other things, uh, potentially, um, or Quinn models rather, um, could, uh. Be things that you could conceivably, like be running on your own equipment to run these sorts of nonstop ag agentic loops. But yeah, right now, like it’s really freaking cool and I’ve played around with it because I’m fortunate enough to have access to a lot of tokens. [00:31:00] Um, but yeah, I can get expensive real, real fast. Uh, but, but it’s still, it’s still pretty awesome. Brett: I do appreciate that. So, guest Town, the name is a reference to Mad Max and in the kind of, uh, vernacular that they built for things like background agents and I, uh, there’s a whole bunch, there are different levels of, of the interface that they kind of extrapolated on the gas town kind of metaphor for. Uh, I, it was, it, it, there were some interesting naming conventions and then they totally went in other directions with some of the names. It, they didn’t keep the theme very well, but, but still, uh, I appreciate Ralph Wig and Mad Max. That’s. It’s at the very least, it’s interesting. Christina: No, it definitely is. It definitely is. Crypto Controversies Christina: I will say that there’s been like a little bit [00:32:00] of a kerfuffle, uh, involved in both of those, uh, developers because, um, they’re both now promoting shit coins and, uh, and so that’s sort of an interesting thing. Um, basically there’s like this, this, this crypto company called bags that I guess apparently like if people want to, they will create crypto coins for popular open source projects, and then they will designate someone to, I guess get the, the gas fees, um, in, um, uh, a Solana parlance, uh, no pun intended, with the gas town, um, where basically like that’s, you know, like the, the, the fees that you spend to have the transaction work off of the blockchain, right? Like, especially if there’s. A lot of times that it would take, like, you pay a certain percentage of something and like those fees could be designated to an individual. And, um, in this case, like both of these guys were reached out to when basically they were like, Hey, this coin exists. You’ve got all this money just kind of sitting in a crypto wallet waiting for you. [00:33:00] Take the money, get, get the, the transaction fees, so to speak. And, uh, I mean, I think that, that, that’s, if you wanna take that money right, it’s, it’s there for you. I’m not gonna certainly judge anyone for that. What I will judge you for is if you then promote your shit coin to your community and basically kind of encourage everyone. To kind of buy into it. Maybe you put in the caveat, oh, this isn’t financial advice. Oh, this is all just for whatever. But, but you’re trying to do that and then you go one step beyond, which I think is actually pretty dumb, which is to be like, okay, well, ’cause like, here’s the thing, I’m not gonna judge anyone. If someone who’s like, Hey, here’s a wallet that we’re gonna give you, and it has real cash in it, and you can do whatever you want with it, and these are the transaction fees, so to speak, like, you know, the gas fees, whatever, you know what you do. You, even if you wanna let your audience know that you’ve done that, and maybe you’re promoting that, maybe some people will buy into it, like, people are adults. Fine. Where, where I do like side eye a little bit is if you are, then for whatever reason [00:34:00] going to be like, oh, I’m gonna take my fees and I’m gonna reinvest it in the coin. Like, okay, you are literally sitting on top of the pyramid, like you could not be in a better position and now you’re, but right. And now you’re literally like paying into the pyramid scheme. It’s like, this is not going to work well for you. These are rug bulls. Um, and so like the, the, the, the gas town coin like dropped like massively. The Ralph coin like dropped massively, like after the, the, the Ralph creator, I think he took out like 300 K or something and people, or, you know, sold like 300 K worth of coins. And people were like, oh, he’s pulling a rug pull. And I’m like, well, A, what did you expect? But B it’s like, this is why don’t, like, if someone’s gonna give you free money from something that’s, you know, kind of scammy, like, I’m not saying don’t take the money. I am saying maybe be smart enough to not to reinvest it into the scam. Brett: Yeah. Christina: Like, I don’t know. Anyway, that’s the only thing I will mention on that. ’cause I don’t think that that takes [00:35:00] anything away from either of those projects or it says that you shouldn’t use or play around with it either of those ideas at all. But that is just a thing that’s happened in the last couple of weeks too, where it’s like, oh, and now there’s like crypto, you know, the crypto people are trying to get kind of involved with these projects and, um, I, I think that that’s, uh, okay. You know, um, like I said, I’m, I’m not gonna judge anybody for taking free money that, that somebody is gonna offer them. I will judge you if you’re gonna try to then, you know, try to like, promote that to your audience and try to be like, oh, this is a great way where we, where you can help me and we can all get rich. It’s like, no, there are, if you really wanna support creators, like there are things like GitHub sponsors and there are like other methods that you can, you can do that, that don’t involve making financial risks on shit coins. Brett: I wish anything I made could be popular enough that I could do something that’s stupid. Yeah. Like [00:36:00] I, I, I, I’m not gonna pull a rug pull on anyone, but the chances that I’ll ever make $300,000 on anything I’m working on, it’s pretty slim. Christina: Yeah, but at the same time, like if you, if you did, if you were in that position, like, I don’t know, I mean, I guess that’d be a thing that you would have to kind of figure out, um, yourself would be like, okay, I have access to this amount of money. Am I going to try to, you know, go all in and, and maybe go full grift to get even more? Some, something tells me that like your own personal ethics would probably preclude you from that. Brett: I, um, I have spent, what, um, how old am I? 47. I, I’ve been, since I started blogging in like 1999, 2000, um, I have always adhered to a very strict code and like turning down sponsors. I didn’t agree with [00:37:00] not doing anything that would be shady. Not taking, not, not taking money from anyone I was writing about. Ethics in Journalism and Personal Dilemmas Brett: Like, it’s been, it’s a pain in the ass to try to be truly ethical, but I feel like I’ve done it for 30 some years and, and I don’t know, I wouldn’t change it. I’m not rich. I’ll never be rich. But yeah, I think ethics are important, especially if you’re in any kind of journalism. Christina: Yeah, if you’re in any sort of journalism. I think so, and I think like how people wanna define those things, I think it’s up to them. And, and like I said, like I’m not gonna even necessarily like, like judge people like for, because I, I don’t know personally like what my situation would be like. Like if somebody was like, Christina, here’s a wallet that has the equivalent of $300,000 in it and it’s just sitting here and we’re not even asking you to do anything with this. I would probably take the money. I’m not gonna lie, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t [00:38:00] know if I would promote it or anything and I maybe I would feel compelled to disclose, Hey, Brett: That is Christina: wallet belongs to me. Brett: money though. Christina: I, I, right. I, I, I might, I might be, I might feel compelled to com to, to disclose, Hey, someone created this coin in this thing. They created the foam grow coin and they are giving me, you know, the, the, the gas fees and I have accepted Brett: could be, I’d feel like you could do it if you were transparent enough about it. Christina: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I think where I draw the line is when you then go from like, because again, it’s fine if you wanna take it. It’s then when you are a. Reinvesting the free money into the coin, which I think is just idiotic. Like, I think that’s just actually dumb. Um, like I just, I just do like, that just seems like you are literally, like I said, you’re at the top of the pyramid and you’re literally like volunteering to get into the bottom again. Um, and, or, or b like if you do that and then you try to rationalize in some way, oh, well, you know, I think [00:39:00] that this could be a great thing for everybody to, you know, I get rich, you know, you could get rich, we could all get money out of this because this is the future of, you know, creator economy or whatever. It’s like, no, it’s not. This is gambling. Um, and, and, and, and you could make the argument to me, and I’d probably be persuaded to be like, this isn’t that different from poly market or any of the other sorts of things. But you know what? I don’t do those things either. And I wouldn’t promote those things to any audience that I had either. Um, but if somebody wanted to give me free money. I probably wouldn’t turn it down. I’m not gonna pretend that my ethics are, are that strong. Uh, I just don’t know if I would, if I would, uh, go on the other end and be like, okay, to the Moom, everyone let, let’s all go in on the crypto stuff. It’s like, okay, The Future of Open Source and Cryptocurrency Brett: So is this the future of open source is, ’cause I mean like open source has survived for decades as like a concept and it’s never been terribly profitable. But a [00:40:00] lot of large companies have invested in open source, and I guess at this point, like most of the big open source projects are either run by a corporation or by a foundation. Um, that are independently financed, but for a project like Gastown, like is it the future? Is this, is this something people are gonna start doing to like, kind of make open source profitable? Christina: I mean, maybe, I don’t know. I think the problem though is that it’s not necessarily predictable, right? And, and not to say that like normal donations or, or support methods are predictable, but at least that could be a thing where you’re like, they’re not, but, but, but it’s not volatile to the extent where you’re like, okay, I’m basing, you know, like my income based on how well this shit coin that someone else controls the supply of someone else, you know, uh, uh, created someone else, you know, burned, so to speak, somebody else’s is going to be, uh, [00:41:00] controlling and, and has other things and could be responsible for, you know, big seismic like market movements like that I think is very different, um, than anything else. And so, I don’t know. I mean, I, I think that they, what I do expect that we’ll see more of is more and more popular projects, things that go viral, especially around ai. Probably being approached or people like proactively creating coins around those things. And there have been some, um, developers who’ve already, you know, stood up oddly and been like, if you see anybody trying to create a coin around this, it is not associated with me. I won’t be associated with any of it. I won’t do it. Right. Uh, and I think that becomes a problem where you’re like, okay, if these things do become popular, then that becomes like another risk if you don’t wanna be involved in it. If you’re involved with a, with a popular project, right? Like the, like the, like the creator of MPM Isaac, like, I think there’s like an MPM coin now, and that, that he’s, you know, like involved in and it’s like, you know, again, he didn’t create it, but he is happy to promote it. He’s happy to take the money. I’m like, look, I’m happy for [00:42:00] Isaac to get money from NPMI am at the same time, you know, bun, which is basically like, you know, the, you know, replacement for, for Node and NPM in a lot of ways, they sold to Anthropic for. I guarantee you a fuck load more money than whatever Isaac is gonna make off of some MPM shitcoin. So, so like, it, it’s all a lottery and it’s not sustainable. But I also feel like for a lot of open source projects, and this isn’t like me saying that the people shouldn’t get paid for the work, quite the contrary. But I think if you go into it with the expectation of I’m going to be able to make a sustainable living off of something, like when you start a project, I think that that is not necessarily going to set you up for, I think that those expectations are misaligned with what reality might be, which again, isn’t to say that you shouldn’t get paid for your work, it’s just that the reason that we give back and the reason we contribute open source is to try to be part of like the, the greater good and to make things more available to everyone. Not to be [00:43:00] like, oh, I can, you know, quit my job. Like, that would be wonderful. I, I wish that more and more people could do that. And I give to a lot of, um, open source projects on, on a monthly basis or on an annual basis. Um, Brett: I, I give basically all the money that’s given to me for my open source projects I distribute among other open source projects. So it’s a, it’s a, it’s a wash for me, but yeah, I am, I, I pay, you know, five, 10 bucks a month to 20 different projects and yeah. Christina: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s important, but, but I, I don’t know. I, I, I hope that it’s not the future. I’m not mad, I think like if that’s a way where people can make, you know, a, a, an income. But I do, I guess worry the sense that like, if, if, if, I don’t want that to be, the reason why somebody would start an open source project is because they’re like, oh, I, I can get rich on a crypto thing. Right? Like, ’cause that that’s the exact wrong Brett: that’s not open source. That’s not the open source philosophy. Christina: no, [00:44:00] it’s not. And, and so, I mean, but I think, I think if it already exists, I mean, I don’t know. I, I also feel like no one should feel obligated. This should go without saying that. If you see a project that you like that is involved in one of those coins. Do you have a zero obligation to be, uh, supportive of that in any way? And in fact, it is probably in your financial best interest to not be involved. Um, it, it is your life, your money, your, you do whatever you want, gamble, however you want. But, uh, I, I, I, I do, I guess I, I bristle a little bit. Like if people try to portray it like, oh, well this is how you can support me by like buying into this thing. I’m like, okay, that’s alright. Like, I, I, if you wanna, again, like I said, if you wanna play poly market with this, fine, but don’t, don’t try to wrap that around like, oh, well this is how you can give back. It’s like, no, you can give back in other ways. Like you can do direct donations, you can do other stuff. Like I would, I would much rather encourage people to be like, rather than putting a hundred dollars in Ralph Coin, [00:45:00] give a hundred dollars to the Ralph Guy directly. Apex 1.0? Brett: So, speaking of unprofitable open source, I have Apex almost to 1.0. Um, it officially handles, I think, all of the syntax that I had hoped it would handle. Um, it does like crazy things, uh, that it’s all built on common mark, GFM, uh, like cmar, GFM, GitHub’s project. Um, so it, it does all of that. Plus it handles stuff from like M mark with like indices. Indices, and it incorporates, uh. Uh, oh, I forget the name of it. Like two different ways of creating indices. It handles all kinds of bibliography syntax, like every known bibliography syntax. Um, I just added, you can, you can create insert tags with plus, plus, uh, the same way you would create a deletion with, uh, til detail. Um, and [00:46:00] I’ve added a full plugin structure, and the plugins now can be project local. So you can have global plugins. And then if you have specific settings, so like I have a, I, my blogs are all based on cramdown and like the bunch documentation is based on cramdown, but then like the mark documentation. And most of my writing is based on multi markdown and they have different. Like the, for example, the IDs that go on headers in multi markdown. If it’s, if it has a space in multi markdown, it gets compressed to no space in common Mark or GFM, it gets a dash instead of a space, which means if I have cross links, cross references in my document, if I don’t have the right header syntax, the cross reference will break. So now I can put a, a config into like my bunch documentation that tells Apex to use, [00:47:00] um, the dash syntax. And in my Mark documentation, I can tell it to use the multi markdown syntax. And then I can just run Apex with no command line arguments and everything works. And I don’t know, I, I haven’t gotten adoption for it. Like the one place I thought it could be really useful was DEVONthink, Christina: Mm-hmm. Brett: which has always been based on multi markdown, which. Um, is I love multi markdown and I love Fletcher and, um, it’s just, it’s missing a lot of what I would consider modern syntax. Christina: Right. Brett: so I, I offered it to Devin think, and it turned out they were working on their own project along the same lines at the same time. Um, but I’m hoping to find some, some apps that will incorporate it and maybe get it some traction. It’s solid, it’s fast, it’s not as fast as common Mark, but it does twice as much. Um, like the [00:48:00] benchmarks, it a complex document renders in common mark in about. Uh, 27 milliseconds, and in Apex it’s more like 46 milliseconds. But in the grand scheme of things, I could render my whole blog 10 times faster than I can with cramm down or Panoc and yeah, and, and I can use all the syntax I want. Challenges and Innovations in Markdown Processing Brett: Did I tell you about, did I tell you about, uh, Panoc Divs? The div extension, um, like you can in with the panoc D extension, you can put colon, colon, colon instead of like back, take, back, take backtick. So normally, like back ticks would create a code block with colons, it creates a div, and you can apply, you can apply inline attribute lists after the colons to make, to give it a class and an ID and any other attributes you wanna apply to it. I extended that so that you can do colon, [00:49:00] colon, colon, and then type a tag name. So if you type colon, colon, colon aside and then applied an attribute list to it, it would create an aside tag with those attributes. Um, the, the only pan deck extension that I wish I could support that I don’t yet is grid tables. Have you ever seen grid tables? Christina: I have not. Brett: There, it’s, it’s kind of like multi markdown table syntax, except you use like plus signs for joints and uh, pipes and dashes, and you actually draw out the table like old ASCI diagrams Christina: Okay. Brett: and that would render that into a valid HTML table. But that supporting that has just been, uh, tables. Tables are the thing. I’ve pulled the most hair out over. Christina: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think I, they feel like tables are hard. I also feel like in a lot of circumstances, I mean obviously people use tables and whatnot, but like, [00:50:00] only thing I would say to you, like, you know, apex is, is so cool and I hope that other projects adopt it. Um, and, uh, potentially with the POC support as far as you’ve gotten with it, maybe, you know, projects that support some of POC stuff could, could, you know, uh, jump into it. But I will say it does feel like. Once you go into like the Panoc universe, like that almost feels like a separate thing from the markdown Flavors like that almost feels like its own like ecosystem. You know what I mean? Brett: Well, yeah, and I haven’t tried to adopt everything Panoc does because you can als, you can also use panoc. You can pipe from Apex into Panoc or vice versa. So I’m not gonna try to like one for one replicate panoc, Christina: No, no. Totally Brett: do all of panoc export options because Panoc can take HTML in and then output PDFs and Doc X and everything. So you can just pipe output from Apex into Panoc to create your PDF or whatever Christina: And like, and, and like to, [00:51:00] and like to me, like that seems ideal, right? But I feel like maybe like adopting some of the other things, especially like, like their grid, you know, table, things like that. Like that would be cool. But like, that feels like that’s a, potentially has the, has the potential, maybe slow down rendering and do other stuff which you don’t want. And then b it’s like, okay, now are we complicated to the point that like, this is, this is now not becoming like one markdown processor to rule them all, but you Brett: Yeah, the whole point, the whole point is to be able to just run Apex and not worry about what cex you’re using. Um, but grid tables are the kind of thing that are so intentional that you’re not gonna accidentally use them. Like the, the, the, the impetus for Apex was all these support requests I get from people that are like the tilde syntax for underline or delete doesn’t work in Mark. And it, it does if you choose the right processor. But then you have to know, yeah, you have to [00:52:00] know what processor supports what syntax and that takes research and time and bringing stuff in from, say, obsidian into mart. You would just kind of expect things to work. And that’s, that’s why I built Apex and Christina: right? Brett: you are correct that grid tables are the kind of thing, no one’s going to use grid tables if they haven’t specifically researched what Christina: I right. Brett: they’re gonna work with. Christina: And they’re going to have a way that has their file marked so that it is designated as poc and then whatever, you know, flags for whatever POC features it supports, um, does. Now I know that the whole point of APEX is you don’t have to worry about this, but, but I am assuming, based on kind of what you said, like if I pass like arguments like in like a, you know, in a config file or something like where I was like, these documents or, or, or this URL or these things are, you know, in this process or in this in another, then it can, it can just automatically apply those rules without having to infer based on the, on the syntax, right. Brett: right. It has [00:53:00] modes for cram down and common mark and GFM and discount, and you can like tell it what mode you’re writing in and it will limit the feature set to just what that processor would handle. Um, and then all of the flags, all of the features have neg negotiable flags on them. So if you wanted to say. Skip, uh, relax table rendering. You could turn that off on the command line or in a config file. Um, so yeah, everything, everything, you can make it behave like any particular processor. Uh, but I focus mostly on the unified mode, which again, like you don’t have to think about which processor you are using. Christina: Are you seeing, I guess like in, in circumstances like, ’cause I, in, in my, like, my experience, like, I would never think to, like, I would probably like, like to, I would probably do like what you do, which is like, I’m [00:54:00] going to use one syntax or, or one, you know, processor for one type of files and maybe another and another. Um, but I, I don’t think that like, I would ever have a, and maybe I’m misunderstanding this, but I don’t think I would ever have an instance where I would be like mixing the two together in the same file. Brett: See, that’s my, so that’s, that’s what’s changing for me is I’m switching my blog over to use Apex instead of Cramdown, which means I can now incorporate syntax that wasn’t available before. So moving forward, I am mixing, um, things from common mark, things from cram down, things from multi markdown. Um, and, and like, so once you know you have the option Christina: right. Then you might do that Brett: you have all the syntax available, you start doing it. And historically you won’t have, but like once you get used to it, then you can. Christina: Okay. So here’s the next existential question for you. At what point then does it go from being, you know, like [00:55:00] a, a, a rendering engine, kind of like an omni rendering engine to being a syntax and a flavor in and of itself? Brett: That is that, yeah, no, that’s a, that’s a very valid question and one that I have to keep asking myself, um, because I never, okay, so what to, to encapsulate what you’re saying, if you got used to writing for Apex and you were mixing your syntax, all of a sudden you have a document that can’t render in anything except Apex, which does eventually make it its own. Yeah, no, it is, it’s always, it’s a concern the whole time. Christina: well, and I, I wouldn’t even necessarily, I mean, like, and I think it could be two things, right? I mean, like, you could have it live in two worlds where, like on the one hand it could be like the rendering engine to end all rendering engines and it can render, you know, files and any of them, and you can specify like whatever, like in, in, in like a tunnel or something. Like, you know, these files are, [00:56:00] are this format, these are these, and you know, maybe have some sort of, you know, um, something, even like a header files or whatever to be like, this is what this rendering engine is. Um, you know, with, with your projects to have it, uh, do that. Um. Or have it infer, you know, based on, on, on, um, the, the logic that you’re importing. But it could also be one of those things where you’re like, okay, I just have created like, you know, the omni syntax. And that’s a thing that maybe, maybe you get people to try to encourage or try, try to adopt, right? Like, it’s like, okay, you can always just use common mark. You can always just use GFM, you can always just use multi markdown, but we support these other things too, from these other, um, systems and you can intermix and match them. Um, because, because I, I do feel like at a certain point, like at least the way you’re running it yourself, you have your own syntax. Like, like, you know. Brett: yeah. No, you have perfectly encapsulated the, the major [00:57:00] design concern. And I think you’re correct. It can exist, it can be both things at once. Um, but I have like, nobody needs another markdown syntax. Like there are so many flavors right now. Okay. There may be a dozen. It’s not like an infinite number, but, but there’s enough that the confusion is real. Um, and we don’t need yet another markdown flavor, but we do need a universal processor that. Makes the differentiations less, but yeah, no, it’s, I need, I need to nail down that philosophy, uh, and really like, put it into writing and say, this is the design goal of this project, uh, which I have like hinted at, but I’m a scattered thinker and like, part of, part of the design philosophy is if someone says, Hey, [00:58:00] could you make this work? I just wanted a project where I could say, yeah, I’m gonna make that work. I, I, I’m gonna add this somewhat esoteric syntax and it’s just gonna work and it’s not gonna affect anything else. And you don’t have to use it, but if you do, there it is. So it’s kind of, it was designed to bloat to a circuit certain extent. Um, but yeah, I need to, I need to actually write a page That’s just the philosophy and really, really, uh, put, put all my thoughts together on that. Christina: Yeah, no, ’cause I was just kind of thinking, I was like, ’cause it’s so cool. Um, but the way that I would’ve envisioned using it, like I, I still like, it’s cool that you can mix all those things in together. I still feel like I probably wouldn’t because I’m not you. And so then I would just have like this additional dependency that it’s like, okay, if something happens to Apex one day and that’s the only thing that can render my documents, then like, you know what I mean? And, and, and if it’s not getting updated [00:59:00] anymore or whatever, then I’m kind of like SOL, um, Brett: Maku. Do you remember Maku? Christina: vaguely. Brett: It’s, the project is kind of dead and a lot of its syntax has been incorporated into various other processors. But if you built your whole blog on Maku, you have to, you have to be able to run like a 7-year-old binary, um, and, and it’ll never be updated, and eventually you’re gonna run into trouble. The nice thing about Unix based stuff is it’s. Has a, you can stop developing it and it’ll work for a decade, um, until, like, there’s a major shift in processors, but like, just the shift to arm. Like if, if Maku was only ever compiled for, uh, for, uh, Intel and it wasn’t open source, you would, it would be gone. You wouldn’t be able to run it anymore. So yeah, these things can happen. Christina: [01:00:00] Well, and I just even think about like, you know, the fact that like, you know, like some of the early processors, like I remember like back, I mean this is a million years ago, but having to use like certain, like pearl, you know, based things, you know, but depending on like whatever your backend system was, then you moved to PHP, they maybe you move, moved to, you know, Ruby, if you’re using like Jekyll and maybe you move to something else. And I was like, okay, you know, what will the thing be in the future? Yeah. If, if I, if it’s open source and there’s a way that, you know, you can write a new, a new processor for that, but it does create like, dependencies on top of dependencies, which is why I, I kind of feel like I like having like the omni processor. I don’t know if, like, for me, I’m like, okay, I, I would probably be personally leery about intermingling all my different syntaxes together. Brett: to that end though, that is why I wanted it in C um, because C will probably never die. C can be compiled on just about any platform. And it can be used with, like, if you have, if you have a Jekyll blog and you wanna [01:01:00] incorporate a C program into a gem, it’s no problem. Uh, you can incorporate it into just about any. Langu

Welcome to another episode of I'll Show You Mine! This time, Elyse shows James ‘Babes in Toyland' from 1961 for Christmas.Join us as we talk about the decidedly un-Christmas-like plot, the wacky and whimsical design, and… Annette.Our theme song is by us! James Sparkman and Elyse Wietstock.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Twitch at @isympodcastIf you like the show please share it with a friend or leave a review on Apple Podcasts, and if you want access to post-show content, downloadable art, and more, visit illshowyoumine.show and click “Patreon!”

Back again after a few weeks. We go over the state of Silver and Gold as well as the world of collectibles.  

The world has changed so much, but the tenets of timeless parenting haven't changed one bit. Our culture tends to treat childhood like a race. But the push to meet academic benchmarks at younger and younger ages is counterproductive to how a child's brain naturally develops. And when parents overschedule their children because they're afraid they'll be left behind, they may be robbing them of the downtime they need to thrive. On today's show world-renowned child psychologists Dr. Kathy Hirsh-Pasek and Dr. Roberta Michnick Golinkoff dive into how to raise healthy, happy children without burning out -- and without relying on the latest "educational" gadgets.   Here's a preview: [5:15] Smart phones, AI, oh my: The fundamental needs of children haven't changed, even if  technology has [15:00] How to ignore the very-real temptation to get our kids "ahead" [19:45] Unrealistic expectations characterize much of the "academic" toys on the market. Here's how to spot them [25:00] The research is clear: Kids need more downtime. Extracurriculars aren't downtime! [34:00] Your new parenting mantra: "Reflect, Resist, Recenter"   Resources mentioned: Einstein Never Used Flashcards: How Our Children Really Learn–And Why They Need to Play More and Memorize Less Trouble in Toyland 2025: A.I. bots and toxics present hidden dangers (via PIRG) Kathy and Roberta on Instagram Book clubs are scheduled!    This show is listener-supported. Thank you for supporting! Join our (free!) Facebook community here. Find your tribe. Sustainable Minimalists are on Facebook, Instagram + Youtube @sustainableminimalists Say hello! MamaMinimalistBoston@gmail.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Madeline, Emilio, and Julian wrap up their cycle of Unorthodox Holiday Movies with a film befitting of a Christmas Eve episode - Sean Baker's “Tangerine”, released in 2015. Joining Emilio as a first-time-watcher is Edo Choi, Film Programmer at the beloved NYC independent theater, Metrograph. The group reflects on the way this film catapulted Sean Baker to prominence in the cinematic world, and discusses the unique style that comes through via Baker's use of iPhone cameras. They also take time to appreciate the variety of performances in this film, from newcomers to Baker regulars to social media stars. And, of course, they attempt to answer the question on everyone's minds: why is this film titled “Tangerine”?**Programming note: This conversation was recorded approximately ten days before the news of James Ransone's passing. We offer our heartfelt condolences to his family and loved ones during this time.If you enjoy our podcast, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. This really helps us find new listeners and grow!Follow us on YouTube, IG and TikTok: @sleeplesscinematicpodSend us an email at sleeplesscinematicpod@gmail.comOn Letterboxd? Follow Julian at julian_barthold and Madeline at patronessofcats

Fire up your Suzuki Sidekicks 'cause Paul, Jason, and June are covering the 1986 made-for-TV Christmas musical Babes in Toyland starring Keanu Reeves and Drew Barrymore. LIVE from Largo for the first time post-pandemic, Jason puts Cincinnati on blast, Paul digs into the Georgie Porgie mythos, and we have a very special Second Opinions guest that blows June's mind. (Ep. #283 Originally Released 12/30/2021) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul's book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul's Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Ralph welcomes RJ Cross from USPIRG to discuss the Trouble in Toyland 2025 report. Then, Ralph speaks with truck safety activist Marianne Karth about the need for stronger truck safety regulation. Plus, the RNRH team has a spirited debate about spectator sports.R.J. Cross is the Director of the Our Online Life program, Don't Sell My Data campaign, and U.S. PIRG Education Fund. Her work as a writer and researcher ranges from the risks of commercialization of personal data, to consumer harms like scams and data breaches, to emerging threats from AI. In her work as a Policy Analyst at Frontier Group, she has authored research reports on government transparency, consumer debt and predatory auto lending, and has testified before Congress.A lot of the toys we found either claim to be or are using one of OpenAI's chatbots. Even though OpenAI has said that its products are not for kids under the age of 13—but they're allowing their chatbots to be used in toys, which are products by definition for children. So there's a real discrepancy here. OpenAI's just not taking nearly as much responsibility for these failures as we think they should be. And then the toymakers are clearly just moving way too fast and really are not putting out products that are ready for primetime.R.J. CrossThat's what the attitude has been: we put it out, we watch what happens, and then we make adjustments as the public or as regulators demand it to happen. So I think that dynamic is terrible. I think it's really harmful. We'd much rather we see the precautionary principle—which is where a company should take safety really, really seriously up front and do more holistic testing before it releases to the public. But so far, that's not really the attitude you see, especially in Silicon Valley.R.J. CrossFor as challenging as working with Congress is these days (and even as across the political spectrum it's hard to find something to agree on) I think “AI-powered teddy bears should not talk to your kids about sex” has been very effective. Everyone can be on the same page about that, right? And so it's been really fun to get to talk to all sorts of decisionmakers and media outlets, who—everyone wants to tell the same story that this is not okay and big tech isn't taking safety seriously. Everyone agrees on that.R.J. CrossMarianne Karth graduated from the University of Michigan School of Public Health with an MPH in Health Behavior and Health Education in 1979. She worked for a variety of nonprofit organizations in program administration before raising and teaching her nine children at home. After losing two of her daughters in a car crash in 2013, Karth and her husband, Jerry Karth, became involved in advocacy for safer trucks and changes to truck underride regulations.There's often a “blame the victim” [narrative] that goes on and [policymakers] say it's not their responsibility. And they'll say it's often the fault of the four-wheeler. They basically do not want to take responsibility for it. And part of the problem is that for underride protection, it's not like crash-worthy features like seatbelts or airbags that are on the vehicle that's being protected. It's on the vehicle that we collide with. By the way, when an underride occurs, it cancels out all the effectiveness of all those crash-worthy features built into cars.Marianne KarthUnderride deaths are very undercounted because there's not even a checkbox in most state crash report forms for underride. So it's very undercounted, but there are, at minimum, 600 per year. And this is a known, unreasonable risk. And engineers who love to solve problems—they've solved the problem. They know how to solve the problem. So it's a preventable problem.Marianne KarthFor years we've been urging our listeners to form these Congress watchdog groups. It can start small and build from a letterhead, really get the attention of their members, summon their members to town meetings created by the citizenry with their own agenda, and confront their Senators and Representatives directly… See what you can do in your congressional district. No one can stop you from doing that, for heaven's sake. You always have to start the struggle for justice in ways that nobody can stop you.Ralph Nader Get full access to Ralph Nader Radio Hour at www.ralphnaderradiohour.com/subscribe

Christmas shows on a SaturdayFirst, a look at the events of the day.Then, Lux Radio Theater,  originally broadcast December 20, 1948, 77 years ago, Miracle on 34th Street starring Edmund Gwenn.  An adaptation of the 1947 motion picture with Edmund Gwinn reprising his role as Kris Kringle, who changes a lot of lives between Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day.  Followed by Truth or Consequences starring Ralph Edwards, originally broadcast December 20, 1947, 78 years ago, Soldier in Hospital.  A heartwarming Christmas show with a wounded soldier in a veterans hospital. Then, The Harold Peary Show,  originally broadcast December 20, 1950, 75 years ago, Children's Christmas Party.   A heartwarming Christmas show as Honest Harold trusts an old bank robber with the job of playing Santa Claus for the kids. Finally, Fibber McGee and Molly, originally broadcast December 20, 1954, 71 years ago, Babes in Toyland.   Fibber and Molly visit a new toy store to buy a Christmas present for Teeny. Thanks to Debbie B. for supporting our podcast by using the Buy Me a Coffee function at http://classicradio.streamCheck out Professor Bees Digestive Aid at profbees.com and use my promo code WYATT to save 10% when you order! If you like what we do here, visit our friend Jay at http://radio.macinmind.com for great old-time radio shows 24 hours a day

Aaron came up with an idea to compare two versions of Babes in Toyland with bestie Jay. In this long episode (not sorry), the trio talk about the insanity of this story with two batshit crazy movies that each have their problems, but also moments of pure camp.But seriously, does anyone know how they did that water moment in the 1961 movie?Beards and Sundries Website: https://beardsandsundries.com/?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaf_PAqW-08AQuDRO8ocIF8wwYgQCaNOEnOLsJs-Nm5ASBJgDVT0nQl6LWmh6A_aem_fo66Huu5s0Ivb5kWPLSN4QAaron's Socials: @trueaaronchoiAaron's Twitch: @truechoistoryPodcast Socials -Email: butasongpod@gmail.comFacebook: @butasongpodInstagram: @butasongpodThreads: @butasongpodNext episode: Spirited (2022)!

Send us a textKatie and Bridget rent a room in a shoe as they re-watch their family's (for some reason) nostalgic Christmas movie: March of the Wooden Soldiers! If you haven't taken an edible already - BUCKLE UP! Come along as we go to Toy Land and meet all of the classic Nursey Rhyme characters. There's Mother Goose and her literal live goose wearing a bow; Little Bo Peep, who everyone in town wants to make their child bride; Tom Tom, who's apparently NOT Peter Pan and is instead the Pied Piper(!?); The Three Little Pigs who WILL give you nightmares; and the rest of the nightmare infused characters! But most importantly we have Stannie Dum and Ollie Dee, the two best friends that anybody could have who help save the day! We've got a demonic knock-off Mickey Mouse, funny physical comedy, and endless questions all wrapped up into this strange movie that we all simultaneously forgot existed until we put it on to watch! Released in 1934, it was originally titled "Babes in Toyland" and stars Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy.

Is Babes in Toyland a Christmas movie? Does Amy remember any of it? These questions, and more, answered.---Follow the gang on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! And send us movie suggestions at nostalgiaeffectpod@gmail.com.Watch Amy talk more movies over on her YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/themoviechecklist⁠

Apparently this holiday season we're covering a lot of holiday specials, and it's about damn time! A decade ago Bill Murray made a holiday special for Netflix which may or may not be a parody of holiday specials. Jon and Shady join forces again to talk about their other podcast (Movie Deja Vu), their love for Nicolas Cage, and Christmas in general. Oh, and they talk about this special at points.Shady's Socials: @cookieoshadyPodcast Socials -Email: butasongpod@gmail.comFacebook: @butasongpodInstagram: @butasongpodThreads: @butasongpodYouTube: @butasongpodNext episode: DOUBLE FEATURE: Babes in Toyland (1961) and Babes in Toyland (1986)!

Tonight on The Mark White Show, I'm joined by actress Jill Schoelen! Many of us remember Jill from an episode of Little House on the Prairie and the holiday favorite Babes in Toyland. We talk about the powerful Little House episode “Love,” why Babes in Toyland became a seasonal tradition for so many families, and her thoughtful journey beyond acting.

We began the program with four interesting guests on topics we think you should know more about! This year, the market is flooded with new A.I. toys, and some of them may not be appropriate for all ages! U.S. PIRG Education Fund’s 40th Trouble in Toyland report.Guest: Rory Erlich, New Economy Campaign Associate with the Public Interest Research With the holidays in full swing, so are the light decorations, candles, and ovens! The Red Cross responds to 20% more home fires during the holiday months.Guest: Jeff Hall, Regional Communications & Marketing Program Manager for the American Red Cross of Massachusetts If you haven’t bought that Christmas Tree yet, Dave Morin has tips to pick out the best tree – If you’ve already got the tree up, learn about proper indoor care so it lasts throughout the new year!Guest: Dave Morin, Past President and Association Communications for the Massachusetts Christmas Tree Association ‘Tis the season to make everything merry and BRIGHT! We all love seeing those holiday lights, but how much will it cost you this season?Guest: Kate Peters, Director of Residential Energy Efficiency for Eversource See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Network for Public Education, Charter School Reckoning: Disillusionment; https://networkforpubliceducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Charter-School-Reckoning-Disillusionment.pdfFTC takes action against Illuminate for failing to secure student data; https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/12/ftc-takes-action-against-education-technology-provider-failing-secure-students-personal-dataAG Letitia James Secures $51 million fine from Illuminate; https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2025/attorney-general-james-and-multistate-coalition-secure-51-million-education Fairplay Advisory on AI Toys; https://fairplayforkids.org/pf/aitoyadvisory/US PIRG, Trouble in Toyland 2025,; https://publicinterestnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/TOYLAND-2025-11-14-7a.pdf has mentions KPTV, AI toys top list in annual ‘Trouble in Toyland' report this holiday season; https://www.kptv.com/2025/11/14/ai-toys-top-list-annual-trouble-toyland-report-this-holiday-season/ Ballotpedia, State Policies on cellphone use in schools, https://ballotpedia.org/State_policies_on_cellphone_use_in_K-12_public_schools Fairplay, Survivor Parents ‘Deeply Disappointed' in House Version of the Kids Online Safety Act, Urge Congress to Pass Senate Version; https://fairplayforkids.org/survivor-parents-deeply-disappointed-in-house-version-of-the-kids-online-safety-act-urge-congress-to-pass-senate-version/ The Hill, Deep divides plague kids online safety push in House' https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5630434-deep-divides-plague-kids-online-safety-push-in-house/

More meanderwear talk and then Scooter works his way down the list of harmless animals and somehow ends up doing his tiny #twowordimpressions ala “Mr. Smithers”, “Lord Commander”, “ Heyhey Booboo” and “Hi Ya”. Then we will float off to Toyland to hear the sights and see the sounds while Ollie and Stannie try and save the day.This is a special release from the SWM Vault. It's an older episode, and I do mention a few things by name (poop, clowns, authority figures, wild animals, etc). It is fairly tame, but I wanted to give you a heads up! If you want access to the full vault, you can join Sleep With Me Plus at sleepwithmepodcast.com/plusGet your Sleep With Me SleepPhones. Use "sleepwithme" for $5 off!!Are you looking for Story Only versions or two more nights of Sleep With Me a week? Then check out Bedtime Stories from Sleep With MeLearn more about producer Russell aka Rusty Biscuit at russellsperberg.com and @BabyTeethLA on IG.Show Artwork by Emily TatGoing through a hard time? You can find support at the Crisis Textline and see more global helplines here.HELIX SLEEP - Take the 2-minute sleep quiz and they'll match you to a customized mattress that'll give you the best sleep of your life. Visit helixsleep.com/sleep and get a special deal exclusive for SWM listeners!ZOCDOC - With Zocdoc, you can search for local doctors who take your insurance, read verified patient reviews and book an appointment, in-person or video chat. Download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE at zocdoc.com/sleep PROGRESSIVE - With the Name Your Price tool, you tell Progressive how much you want to pay for car insurance, and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Get your quote today at progressive.comKINDRED - Kindred is a members-only home swapping network. It isn't a hotel. It isn't a short-term rental. It's a smarter way to travel where each stay feels like home. Apply now at LiveKindred.com and use code SLEEP to join for free. Plus, you'll earn 5 nights of travel credit just for signing up!ODOO - Odoo is an all-in-one management platform with a suite of user-friendly applications designed to simplify and connect every aspect of your company in one, easy-to-use software. Odoo is the affordable, all-in-one management software with a library of fully-integrated business applications that help you get MORE done in LESS time for a FRACTION of the price.To learn more, visit www.odoo.com/withmeUNCOMMON GOODS - Uncommon Goods scours the globe for original, remarkable, handmade things. Surprise your friends and family with unique - and even personalized! - gifts this holiday season. Head to uncommongoods.com/sleep for 15% off! Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Trouble in Toyland! An AI-powered teddy bear was caught teaching kids how to light matches. Other AI-powered toys were also placed in a time-out after reports of the chatbot-powered toys helped kids find sexually explicit content ... and lethal objects, according to ABC. ABC Tech Reporter Mike Dobuski joins the show to discuss what parents need to know about these AI toys and the dangers, as the kinks in AI are still being worked out.

The New Tax Law: IRS Must Show You Your Mistakes Trouble in Toyland! Dangers of AI Toys Iron County School District considers four-day school week Combatting Math Anxiety Utah Women Run hosts Martha Hughes Cannon Awards Ceremony Over 50 Dead Roosters: Cockfighting Ring Discovered in Provo Asylum Decisions on Pause: Afghan Amnesty Halted and a New Travel Ban? Afghan Refugees in Utah: Fear Amid Federal Crackdown Giving Tuesday: One Kind Act A Day

This edition of Crosstalk was directed at parents, encouraging them to be aware of those things that are ever present and designed to lure children away from you and biblical values. As 1 Peter 5:8 says: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." You'll see precisely how this is playing out as Jim presented examples ranging from pornography to video games, as well as those things that are relying more and more on artificial intelligence. For example: A New York school gets caught promoting online pornography as art and attempts to conceal the attempt from parents. An Oregon father outraged after discovering his 11 year old son was slated to receive a state-issued sexual orientation and gender identity survey that asked children to identify their sexual orientation and gender identity and whether they are transgender. Hundreds of children are set to be vaccinated with puberty blockers in the first UK, National Health Service (NHS)-backed experiment of its kind. The latest news on the connection between video games and aggression. A report from the Public Interest Research Group called, Trouble in Toyland 2025, says choking hazards and lead used to be the greatest toy-related threats. While those are still concerns, today it's toys that are powered by artificial intelligence or that contain toxic elements. There's more that Jim will share. So if it's your desire to raise your children in "...the nurture and admonition of the Lord," (Ephesians 6:4) don't miss this broadcast!

This edition of Crosstalk was directed at parents, encouraging them to be aware of those things that are ever present and designed to lure children away from you and biblical values. As 1 Peter 5:8 says: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." You'll see precisely how this is playing out as Jim presented examples ranging from pornography to video games, as well as those things that are relying more and more on artificial intelligence. For example: A New York school gets caught promoting online pornography as art and attempts to conceal the attempt from parents. An Oregon father outraged after discovering his 11 year old son was slated to receive a state-issued sexual orientation and gender identity survey that asked children to identify their sexual orientation and gender identity and whether they are transgender. Hundreds of children are set to be vaccinated with puberty blockers in the first UK, National Health Service (NHS)-backed experiment of its kind. The latest news on the connection between video games and aggression. A report from the Public Interest Research Group called, Trouble in Toyland 2025, says choking hazards and lead used to be the greatest toy-related threats. While those are still concerns, today it's toys that are powered by artificial intelligence or that contain toxic elements. There's more that Jim will share. So if it's your desire to raise your children in "...the nurture and admonition of the Lord," (Ephesians 6:4) don't miss this broadcast!

Chris and Alex make their first foray into the world of Laurel and Hardy with this reflection on Babes in Toyland (Gus Meins and Charles Rogers, 1934), a film based loosely on the Mother Goose fairytale albeit with a few other nursery rhyme characters thrown in for good measure, all supported by the iconicity of Laurel and Hardy and the duo's particular brand of slapstick comedy. Joining them to separate their Tom-Tom Piper from their Bo Peep is Rob King, Professor of Film at Columbia University and a film historian who has written wildly on American genre cinema, popular culture, and cultural history with a particular emphasis on silent-era stardom and comedy. Topics for Episode 163 include Laurel and Hardy's starring role in smoothing out the transition from silent to sound cinema, and the early twentieth-century industrial importance of the slapstick genre; the sound of fantasy and the demise of the comedy short in Hollywood; the immersive worlds of childhood and the enchantment of drawings; toys, toyness, and child's play; and what Babes in Toyland has to say about the emergence of consumer culture through its pointed citation of Mickey Mouse. **Fantasy/Animation theme tune composed by Francisca Araujo** **As featured on Feedspot's 25 Best London Education Podcasts**

As holiday shopping gets underway, U.S. PIRG Education Fund and Lurie Children's hold a news conference with Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, a Lurie Children's emergency room pediatrician and a parent advocate to discuss the findings of this year's 40th annual "Trouble in Toyland" report.

As holiday shopping gets underway, U.S. PIRG Education Fund and Lurie Children's hold a news conference with Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, a Lurie Children's emergency room pediatrician and a parent advocate to discuss the findings of this year's 40th annual "Trouble in Toyland" report.

As holiday shopping gets underway, U.S. PIRG Education Fund and Lurie Children's hold a news conference with Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, a Lurie Children's emergency room pediatrician and a parent advocate to discuss the findings of this year's 40th annual "Trouble in Toyland" report.

The legendary comedic duo Laurel & Hardy have a very dedicated fanbase. But will a relic toy soldier from their 1934 film, Babes in Toyland, have the owner laughing all the way to the bank? We follow one soldier's march from appraisal to the auction block, to find out what it's really worth. Along the way Adam crashes a meeting of the international Laurel and Hardy fan club - yes you read that correctly -- and tracks down the one other soldier known to survive from the film.

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We recap our weekends, talk AI toys and celebrity sleepovers, and more!

We recap our weekends, talk AI toys and celebrity sleepovers, and more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Honk House. National holidays and celebrity birthdays. 6-7. Jets football player shot. Bomb liar. Congress is back in session. Christmas is returning to Bethlehem. Operation Santa Letters. Trouble in Toyland. Plus local news and sports.

Ce 23 octobre, Marjorie Hache livre une nouvelle édition de Pop-Rock Station riche en contrastes. Elle ouvre avec Florence + The Machine et le morceau-titre du futur album "Everybody Scream", avant de plonger dans les classiques de Neil Young, Nirvana ou The Rolling Stones. L'animatrice de RTL2 célèbre aussi les 19 ans du titre "Rehab" d'Amy Winehouse, devenu emblématique depuis sa sortie. L'album de la semaine reste "Some Like It Hot" du trio londonien Bar Italia, présenté ici dans sa version la plus douce avec le titre éponyme. Côté découvertes, Marjorie Hache propose les nouveautés de The Charlatans, avec "Deeper and Deeper", annonciateur de leur album "We Are Love", et le retour punk des Américains Be Your Own Pet avec "What A Bitch". La reprise du soir revisite "Personal Jesus" de Depeche Mode, dans une version puissante signée Def Leppard. En fin d'émission, Pop-Rock Station s'aventure entre rock alternatif et garage avec Eagles of Death Metal, Babes in Toyland, les Yeah Yeah Yeahs et les Deftones. La nouveauté "Fresh Fresh Fresh" du jour présente UFO, le nouveau projet réunissant des membres de Phoenix et le duo Braxe & Falcon. Florence + The Machine - Everybody Scream Emerson, Lake & Palmer - From The Beginning Amy Winehouse - Rehab Nirvana - Polly Idles - Dancer The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. Franz Ferdinand - Walk Away Bar Italia - Some Like It Hot The Rolling Stones - Miss You Suicidal Tendencies - How Will I Laugh Tomorrow Neil Young - Rockin In The Free World The Charlatans - Deeper And Deeper Def Leppard - Personal Jesus Gorillaz - Dirty Harry Coilguns - Nightshifter Supertramp - Give A Little Bit Slowdive - When The Sun Hits Be Your Own Pet - What A Bitch Otis Redding - My Girl Alanis Morissette - Hands Clean UFOs - UFO Elton John - Crocodile Rock Eagles Of Death Metal - Wannabe In La Babes In Toyland - He's My Thing Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Date With The Night Deftones - Infinite Source The B52's - Rock LobsterHébergé par Audiomeans. Visitez audiomeans.fr/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.

Elsa returns for the final piece of the Data Design puzzle with Myth Makers: Trixie in Toyland. In this episode Jason finally lays out the story of what happened to these four games, while Elsa and Jake are along for the ride.  Email - thebadgamecast@gmail.com Elsa - https://linktr.ee/FreyaFaust Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/thebadgamecast Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBadGameCast/ Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/TheBadGameCast Discord - https://discord.gg/H92TpHJ

If you're looking for another terrible movie featuring Ohio, that would be 790: Babes in Toyland (1986). The next and last workplace topic will be Heads of State (2025).

Lou's back from tour, he and Adelle are here to catch y'all up. 4-Track Man is fixed and back with another sluggish introduction. Lou talks Dinosaur Jr tour highlights (Built To Spill, Mudhoney, Babes in Toyland, Kurt Vile, etc), Adelle chats about her recent Wisconsin/Minnesota visit and guess which free-form, lo-fi podcast has an official gear endorsement??? US! Samson has joined the RAW impressions family! Thank You!WATCH on LouTubehttps://youtu.be/Ur9QSmBa8YgEven better we have our very first discount to offer our faithful listeners. Use code BARLOW for 15% off Samson Products.https://www.samash.com/ Speaking of TOUR! Lou's Solo Tour and Lou/Bobby Bare Jr song swap are coming up very soon. https://www.bandsintown.com/a/38301-lou-barlow?came_from=257&utm_medium=web&utm_source=home&utm_campaign=search_barYou have a couple more days to order some new t-shirts from our online store. We will reopen the online store when we have returned in Sept with any remaining merch.https://barlowfamilygeneralstore.com/https://barlowfamilygeneral.substack.com/join our Substack for so, so many extras.. including the new exclusive LP RAW from the POD #5 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're joined by actress/singer/dancer Ann Jillian who takes us on an extraordinary journey which begins as her parents escape Soviet-Occupied Lithuania and continues into the Hollywood soundstages that launch Ann's career as a child star in Gypsy and Babes in Toyland and then winds towards her adult career as a beloved Hollywood icon.Ann shares the powerful story of her family's flight across war-torn Europe on bicycles, aided by her mother's multilingual savvy, which helped them dodge bullets and bombs and navigate a perilous path to safety. Settling in America was more than a fresh start, it was a dream realized. Ann recalls the deep pride her parents felt the day they became U.S. citizens and she reflects on her show biz beginnings, first in commercials (she was a Chevrolet girl!), then, playing Bo Peep in Babes in Toyland, leading to the stage name bestowed upon her by Mr. Walt Disney! and landing the role of Dainty June in Gypsy, where she gained an even deeper appreciation of her own mother who was NOT a Mama Rose. Ann tells us how education was valued for Disney child stars, she shares her mother's wisdom on dealing with jealousies and she tells us about the treasured momento she received from her dear friend in Natalie Wood.She also discusses her battle with breast cancer, her triumphant return to work, the joy in becoming a mother and the fabulously funny and romantic 'how we met story' featuring herself and her husband of 50 years, Andy.And IMDB Roulette  this week takes us on a journey around Mayfield, into the Twilight Zone and through a time when TV movies tackled important social issues.In recommendations --Fritz: Britbox Mini Series, OutrageousWeezy: Netflix Series, Son of a CritchPath Points of Interest:Ann Jillian on WikipediaAnn Jillian on IMDBAnn Jillian on Amazon OutrageousSon of a CritchMedia Path PodcastMedia Path on FacebookMedia Path on InstagramMedia Path on XMedia Path on Bluesky

Writer/director James DeMonaco discusses his top ten films that evoke the surreal, hallucinatory feel of dreams/nightmares, while not actually depicting dream/or nightmares with Josh Olson and Joe Dante. Show Notes: Movies Referenced In This Episode A History Of Violence (2005) The Home (2025) 52 Pick-Up (1986) The Purge (2013) The Purge: Anarchy (2014) The Purge: Election Year (2016) Staten Island (2009) This Is The Night (2021) Glengarry Glen Ross (1992) 3 Women (1977) Apocalypse Now (1979) Apocalypse Now Redux (2001) Jack (1996) The Godfather (1972) The Godfather Part II (1974) The Godfather Part III (1990) Dementia 13 (1963) Star Wars (1977) THX 1138 (1972) Blood Simple (1984) Megalopolis (2024) Mandy (2018) Beyond The Black Rainbow (2010) Nightmare Alley (2021) Blue Velvet (1986) Mulholland Drive (2001) The Accused (1988) The Swimmer (1968) Dune (1984) Dune (2021) Jodorowsky's Dune (2014) Crash (2005) *Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai (2000) Paterson (2016) Fellini's Roma (1972) Amarcord (1973) La Strada (1954) Nights of Cabiria (1957) 8 ½ (1963) Dirty Harry (1971) Gremlins (1984) Irreversible (2002) Antichrist (2009) Play It As It Lays (1972) Nashville (1975) Boom! (1968) Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House (1948) Punch Drunk Love (2002) The Long Goodbye (1973) Phantom Thread (2017) One Battle After Another (2025) Happy Gilmore (1995) Happy Gilmore 2 (2025) March of the Wooden Soldiers a.k.a. Babes in Toyland (1934) Beetlejuice (1988) Monkey Trouble (1994) Prizzi's Honor (1985) Vertigo (1958) Invaders From Mars (1953) The Woman in the Window (1944)  Inception (2010) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) Dreamscape (1984) What Dreams May Come (1998) The Truman Show (1998) Minority Report (2002) Other Notable Items Our ⁠Patreon⁠! Our pals at ⁠Movies Unlimited⁠ ⁠The Hollywood Food Coalition⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 27 - November 2, 1990 This week Ken welcomes former MA resident and current producer of The Last Drive-In, and owner of Not a Funeral Home productions Matt Manjourides.  Ken and Matt discuss working at video stores, MA Video Stores, Video Smith, Mike's Video, Video Oasis, Live Poultry Fresh Killed, Palmer Video, buying VHS tapes,  having cable growing up, black boxes, "On Deman" video that was just 24 hours of a movie in a loop, Pay Per View, why horror almost always makes money, the video boom, PG-13 Movies with Nudity, realizing women love horror and marketing to them, the CW, Get A Life, going to school for animation, Warriors of the Wind, Fist of the North Star, the 5am Saturday morning weird local slot, 5 and 10 Store, Child World, Mr. Big's Toyland, GI Joe, Alien Nation, Return of Swamp Thing, why working with restrictions can get better results, Wes Craven, weird sleazy vibes, Day of the Dead, collecting screen used props, weird relaxing go to sleep movies, Made for TV Movies, the movie section of TV Guide, Angelica Houston's sexual explosion, Best of the New, personally killing Sadam Hussain, The Gulf War, Full House, MacGuyver, Jasmine Guy in "A Killer Among Us", when the killer is on the jury, Major Dad, Murphy Brown, Who's the Boss, Head of the Class, Coach, why Salem's Lot is Ken's favorite Tobe Hooper movie, Funhouse, Return to Salem's Lot, Sam Fuller, TCM II, Billy Connolly, Nightmare on the 13th Floor, occult elevators, USA Network Original movies, haunted item films, haunted dresses, being afraid to compete with Must See TV on Thursday, Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World, The 1990 Flash, Quantum Leap, contempt for your audience, why Universal Studios Florida Amusement Park meant Superboy and Swamp Thing stayed on the air way too long, shared experience, and convincing a major streaming network to air "Things". 

DISNEY ANIMATION'S CLASSIC, PSYCHEDELIC ANIMATED MASTERPIECE!! Alice in Wonderland Full Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order It's Animation Monday once again & with the Alice Anime on the horizon + the return of Tim Burton's Wednesday, Aaron & Johnald REUNITE to give their Alice in Wonderland Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Analysis, & Spoiler Review!! Join Aaron Alexander & John Humphrey as they tumble down the rabbit hole in their Reaction & Review of Disney's classic 1951 animated film Alice in Wonderland, the whimsical adaptation of Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass. Directed by Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson, and Hamilton Luske, this iconic Disney feature brings to life a vibrant world of dreamlike wonder and eccentric characters. Kathryn Beaumont (who also voiced Wendy in Peter Pan) stars as Alice, the curious young girl who follows the White Rabbit (voiced by Bill Thompson, Lady and the Tramp) into a surreal fantasy realm. The film features Ed Wynn (Mary Poppins, Babes in Toyland) as the delightfully unhinged Mad Hatter, Jerry Colonna as the March Hare, Verna Felton (Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty) as the Queen of Hearts, and Sterling Holloway (The Jungle Book, Winnie the Pooh) as the ever-smiling Cheshire Cat. From the unforgettable “Unbirthday” tea party to the chaotic croquet match with the Queen, to the psychedelic musical number “In a World of My Own,” Alice in Wonderland is a landmark in animation history and Disney storytelling. With its surreal visuals, memorable voice work, and musical charm, this version of Alice's adventures remains a fan favorite and continues to inspire generations. Dive in with us as we explore the legacy, characters, and most famous moments of this curious and curiouser Disney classic! Follow Aaron On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealaaronalexander/?hl=en Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

These days, the toy industry isn't all fun and games. Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks sits down with Audie to talk about how trade wars and culture wars are shaping the state of play in America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, dudes? It's the 1985 Disney World Very Merry Christmas Parade, broadcast live on National TV! Disney connoisseurs Tim Babb from Can't Wait for Christmas and Charlie Ague from Closer to Christmas and Ague Designs are here with me to break it down!Joan Lunden and Ben Vereen host this Christmas parade with narration written by Doug Cody. The production was directed by Chico Fernandez. After some confusion with decorations, Mickey and the gang are ready to begin! Tinkerbell opened the show, and Cinderella and her entourage processed down Main Street USA. The Dumbo and the Jungle Book crews followed right behind her.The Herbie the Love Bug performers come next, and Robin Hood and his Merry Men succeeded him. Regis Philbin took us through the Living Seas, and that segment was followed by the Pinocchio float series. Subsequently, Ben showed us a behind the scenes preview of “Captain EO” with Michael Jackson, George Lucas, and Francis Ford Coppola.After Cruella de Vil drove down, Mary Poppins and the Alice in Wonderland players glide down Main Street. Then Ben gave a stirring performance in Frontierland. The toy soldiers from “Babes in Toyland” march along, and Mickey and Minnie ride a coach behind them. The Gummi Bears, Goofy, and Donald follow on floats, accompanied by characters from Peter Pan, Chip and Dale, and the Hundred Acre Wood. Finally, Santa Claus himself flew in to close out the celebration.Steamboat musical number? Check. Ads for “Superman II”? Yep. Endless commercials from Eckerd and Gaines? Definitely! So grab your an scarf and top hat, hop on a float, and ride down Main Street USA to this episode all about the 1985 Very Merry Christmas Parade!Can't Wait for Christmas FB: @CantWaitForChristmasPodIG: @cantwaitforchristmaspodTwitter: @ChristmasPodCloser to ChristmasTwitter: @closertoxmas IG: @closertoxmasAgue DesignsIG: @aguedesignsGive us a buzz! Send a text, dudes!Check us out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Totally Rad Christmas Mall & Arcade, Teepublic.com, or TotallyRadChristmas.com! Later, dudes!

In which the Musical Man is struck by a Wabash cannonball; poisoned by a loaf of shortnin' bread baked by a wayfaring stranger and the maiden with dreamy eyes; pitied by nobody; and buried five miles north of Toyland. Donate today via Patreon: patreon.com/musicalmanpod / Podbean: musicalmanpod.podbean.com / Email: musicalmanpod@gmail.com

TVC 686.1: Part 2 of a conversation that began last week with Laurel and Hardy historian Randy Skretvedt. Chuck Harter co-hosts. Topics this segment include what first sparked Randy's interest in Laurel and Hardy; Randy's favorite scene in March of the Wooden Soldiers; and why Wooden Soldiers remains so popular, more than ninety years after its original release. Randy's latest book, March of the Wooden Soldiers: The Amazing Story of Laurel & Hardy's Babes in Toyland, is available from Bonaventure Press.

TVC 685.2: Laurel and Hardy historian Randy Skretvedt, author of March of the Wooden Soldiers: The Amazing Story of Laurel & Hardy's Babes in Toyland, talks to Ed and guest co-host Chuck Harter about how Stan Laurel not only acted as the de facto director on many of the comedy team's films, but closely oversaw the editing of their films, and how Oliver Hardy was an accomplished actor who was beloved by cast and crew off-camera. March of the Wooden Soldiers: The Amazing Story of Laurel & Hardy's Babes in Toyland is available from Bonaventure Press.

TVC 685.1: Ed and guest co-host Chuck Harter welcome author, voice artist, radio host, and Laurel and Hardy historian Randy Skretvedt. Randy's latest book, March of the Wooden Soldiers: The Amazing Story of Laurel & Hardy's Babes in Toyland, is a detailed, behind-the-scenes look at the making of March of the Wooden Soldiers (1934), the adaptation of the Victor Herbert operetta Babes in Toyland (which, in fact, was the title of Wooden Soldiers when it was originally released) that not only has remained a holiday tradition on television since the early 1950s, but was reportedly Stan Laurel's favorite film of the ones with he did with Oliver Hardy. Topics this segment include how March of the Wooden Soldiers was originally intended as an Eastertime release in 1934, as well as the many delays that plagued the production of the movie. March of the Wooden Soldiers: The Amazing Story of Laurel & Hardy's Babes in Toyland is available from Bonaventure Press.

Rick is joined by Bonnie-Jill Laflin this week. To talk about the Babes in Toyland and Hounds for Heroes event. As an author, Bonnie-Jill Laflin's book “In a League of Her Own: Celebrating Female Firsts in Sports” was published in February and explores the stories of 19 impactful women in sports, including Billie Jean King, … Continue reading Bonnie-Jill Laflin, Author, Broadcaster, TV Personality →

Paging Maury Povich...shit's going down guys.GG, our favorite 'strictly dickly' Shah of Sunset shares details from a recent relationshipthat will make you want to go through your partner's phone TONIGHT!!! From dating a married man, to calling his wife, and how it all led to an annulment with someone else!! Meanwhile, a story about Lamar Odom that even has Tori Spelling asking"What is happening right now???" Sometimes you just clit, oops, we mean 'click' with someone and GG is that girl!Forget sex toys and sapiosexuality, these 'Babes in Toyland' are a Lifetime movie waiting to happen!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Paging Maury Povich...shit's going down guys.GG, our favorite 'strictly dickly' Shah of Sunset shares details from a recent relationshipthat will make you want to go through your partner's phone TONIGHT!!! From dating a married man, to calling his wife, and how it all led to an annulment with someone else!! Meanwhile, a story about Lamar Odom that even has Tori Spelling asking"What is happening right now???" Sometimes you just clit, oops, we mean 'click' with someone and GG is that girl!Forget sex toys and sapiosexuality, these 'Babes in Toyland' are a Lifetime movie waiting to happen!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Paging Maury Povich...shit's going down guys.GG, our favorite 'strictly dickly' Shah of Sunset shares details from a recent relationshipthat will make you want to go through your partner's phone TONIGHT!!! From dating a married man, to calling his wife, and how it all led to an annulment with someone else!! Meanwhile, a story about Lamar Odom that even has Tori Spelling asking"What is happening right now???" Sometimes you just clit, oops, we mean 'click' with someone and GG is that girl!Forget sex toys and sapiosexuality, these 'Babes in Toyland' are a Lifetime movie waiting to happen!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Paging Maury Povich...shit's going down guys.GG, our favorite 'strictly dickly' Shah of Sunset shares details from a recent relationshipthat will make you want to go through your partner's phone TONIGHT!!! From dating a married man, to calling his wife, and how it all led to an annulment with someone else!! Meanwhile, a story about Lamar Odom that even has Tori Spelling asking"What is happening right now???" Sometimes you just clit, oops, we mean 'click' with someone and GG is that girl!Forget sex toys and sapiosexuality, these 'Babes in Toyland' are a Lifetime movie waiting to happen!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Main fiction: "The Şehrazatın Diyoraması Tour"Selena Chambers is the author of Babes in Toyland's Fontanelle for Bloomsbury Academic's 33 1/3 series, and the Weird short story collection Calls for Submission from Pelekinesis. Her writing has been translated in five countries, as well as published in the U.K. and Australia. Nominations include: the Pushcart, the Colorado Book Award, the Best of the Net, as well as the Hugo Award and World Fantasy Award (twice). For more info, check out: www.SelenaChambers.com.This story originally appeared in Steampunk World, Sarah Hans, ed. (2014).Narrated by: Christina M. RauChristina M. Rau, The Yoga Poet, leads Meditate, Move, & Create workshops for various organizations in person and online. Her collections include How We Make Amends, What We Do To Make Us Whole, and the Elgin Award-winning Liberating The Astronauts. She moderates the Women's Poetry Listserv and has served as Poet in Residence for Oceanside Library (NY) since 2020. Her poetry airs on Destinies radio show (WUSB) and appears in various literary journals like fillingStation and The Disappointed Housewife while her prose has appeared in Punk Monk Magazine and Reader's Digest. During her downtime, she watches the Game Show Network.http://www.christinamrau.comSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/starshipsofa. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Happy holidays! For the 2024 holiday episode, Aaron and Derek tackle 1980's Santa slasher "Christmas Evil" (originally "You Better Watch Out," and also known as "Terror in Toyland") written and directed by Lewis Jackson. They compare it with other dark holiday horror movies, discuss the dangerous nature of the deranged Santa's interaction with children, and the thematic elements of working class stress. They also talk about Lewis Jackson's inception of the plot, the dream-like climax, and many other aspects of the movie. Aaron and Derek want you to remember to stay good boys & girls. Respect your mothers & fathers and do what they tell you. Obey your teachers and learn a whooooole lot! We are on PodBean, Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, Goodpods, Amazon Music, Spotify, iHeartRadio and CastBox. Please rate, review, subscribe, and share our show. Also, check out our Spotify Music playlist, links on our Twitter and Podbean page. Our socials are on Bluesky and Facebook and Twitter @WatchIfYouDare