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Rob Mack is the winemaker and co-owner of Aphelion Wine Co, based in McLaren Vale. Since launching in 2014 he has gained a reputation for his affinity with Grenache and his obsessiveness with quality and value. https://aphelionwine.com.au/ SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER FOR EXCLUSIVE ARTICLES, NEWS, GIVEAWAYS AND BEHIND THE SCENES https://deepintheweeds.us6.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=d33e307cf7100cf947e2e6973&id=d17d8213f5 Follow Over a Glass https://www.instagram.com/overtheglasspod  Host Shanteh Wale https://www.instagram.com/shantehwale/?hl=en Executive Producer Rob Locke https://www.instagram.com/foodwinedine/ Executive Producer Anthony Huckstep https://www.instagram.com/huckstergram/ LISTEN TO OUR OTHER FOOD PODCASTS https://linktr.ee/DeepintheWeedsNetwork Over a Glass is a wine & drinks podcast with Shanteh Wale exploring the personalities, stories and landscape of the wine and drinks business. An Australian Wine and Drinks Podcast from the Deep in the Weeds Network.

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In this insightful episode of the Thrive State Podcast, Dr. Kien Vuu sits down with renowned emotional intelligence and self-care expert Rob Mac to explore how emotional mastery and deep self-awareness can lead to true personal transformation. They dive deep into how Rob has shifted his relationship with emotions, his practices for mental and physical well-being, and how cultivating trust in life can foster peace and purpose.   Rob shares how his journey from emotional reactions to emotional regulation has not only impacted his personal life but also enhanced his ability to help others. This episode is packed with actionable insights on strengthening your mind, body, and spirit, along with practical tips for implementing these changes in your own life.   Episode Highlight: Rob's Journey to Emotional Mastery The Shift from Reacting to Responding The Importance of Self-Care for Emotional Health Life Care: Strengthening Your Trust in the Universe Practices for Mental, Physical, and Spiritual Health The Role of Silence and Stillness in Self-Regulation How Authentic Vibration Heals Others Rob's Recommendations for Those on a Self-Care Journey   Follow Dr. Kien Vuu on Instagram @doctorvmd and check out Rob Mac's social media @robmackofficial.   Buy the 2nd edition of the book Thrive State at thrivestatebook.com, and get a FREE Longevity and Performance Guide at thrivestatestarter.com.

In this episode, we're diving into an incredibly profound and deeply personal journey with Robert Mack, an Ivy League-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, and author. UPenn is the only institution in the world offering a Master's degree in Applied Positive Psychology, and Robert is one of the leading voices in understanding the connection between happiness and success. But what makes Robert's story extraordinary is his journey from despair to hope, from contemplating ending his life to becoming a beacon of positivity and resilience. Robert shares his raw and unfiltered account of being deeply unhappy from an early age, battling severe anxiety and self-loathing, and reaching a point where he considered suicide as the only way out. Yet, in his darkest moment—knife in hand—something remarkable happened. Robert describes an overwhelming sense of peace, love, and joy washing over him, a feeling so profound that it stopped him in his tracks. He refers to this as a "divine intervention," a moment that shifted his perspective and inspired him to dig deeper into the science and spirituality of happiness. Robert's story is not just about his struggles but about the incredible transformation that followed. Through research, self-discovery, and faith in something greater than himself, he found a way to rewrite his narrative. Now, he dedicates his life to helping others find their own happiness and purpose. Whether you've struggled with dark moments or are simply seeking inspiration to live a more fulfilling life, this episode is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit and the power of finding light even in the darkest of times. Tune in for a conversation that is as raw and real as it is uplifting. http://www.coachrobmack.com/ Listen to the full episode here: https://karenmartel.com/positive-psychology-harnessing-the-power-of-happiness-with-rob-mack/ GET $400 OFF YOUR JASPR AIR PURIFIER FROM NOV 12th - 19th with coupon code hormonesolution!! https://jaspr.co/hormonesolution Are you in peri or post menopause and looking to optimize your hormones and health? At Hormone Solutions, we offer telemedicine services and can prescribe in every U.S. state, as well as in British Columbia, Alberta, and Ontario in Canada.   Visit karenmartel.com to explore our comprehensive programs: Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Individualized Weight Loss Programs  Peptide Therapy for weight loss    Interested in our NEW Peptide Weight Loss Program? Join today and get all the details here.   Join our Women's Peri and Post Menopause Group Coaching Program, OnTrack, TODAY!   Your host: Karen Martel Certified Hormone Specialist, Transformational Nutrition Coach, & Weight Loss Expert   Karen's Facebook Karen's Instagram

Today's episode we are joined by Robert Mcvay, Rob Mack as he is more widely known. If you know Rob you know he is about having a good time, being there for you in times of need, and ready to dougie at a drop of a hat! Rob is like a big brother to me, and truly set the foundation for myself in the basketball world. This episode is nothing but fun stories, good times, and chopping it up with someone I consider family. Keep your loved ones close, always give them their flowers, and as always... KEEP GOING! Follow Rob: FB- https://www.facebook.com/rob.m.snapback Follow me: IG- https://www.instagram.com/zdsellsokc/ FB-https://www.facebook.com/ZDsellsOKC/

BIG NEWS! The THRIVE in midlife program has moved to January!  Check out all the new details here. Second big news...I have a guest! Author, Happiness Expert and Good Friend, Rob Mack joined me on and we are talking about why our society is so unhappy now.  It goes deep, but it is GOOD!  

Brad and Lesley delve into Jordan Dunin's journey of recovery and discovery—exploring his emphasis on self-ownership, identity transformation, and the power of envisioning your goals. Join the conversation and discover insights on how to empower yourself to overcome challenges and manifest your aspirations. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Recognize how your actions or mindset may be contributing to the issues you face.The value of coaching as a guided pathway towards overcoming challenges.The impact of daily habits on our identity and overall outcomes.The importance of visualization and feeling it in order to be it.  Episode References/Links:HatchPath WebsiteMay AcceleratorCambodia Feb 2025 Early BirdOPC Summer CampTo Grip or Not to Grip, That is the Sock QuestionRob Mack Episode  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! 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This is being it till you see it. Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:01  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the influential convo I had with Jordan Dunin in in our last episode. If you haven't yet, listened to that episode, you can listen to it now and then come back and listen to our takeaways. You can listen to our takeaways as your spoiler alerts for what you're gonna listen to on that one. It's kind of fun. I know people listen to all the podcasts at least once some of them have gone back through the whole library again, which is kind of insane because this is episode 359. Holy fucking Molly. Today is April 25th. It is Love Your Thighs Day. About Love Your Thighs Day. Love your thighs. Whoo. Love Your Thighs is celebrated on the fourth Thursday of April every year and this year falls on April 25th. Women all over the world have a love hate relationship with their bodies. They're constantly encouraged to love their bodies and society where beauty standards have been predefined and sometimes unreachable. Love Your Thighs Day seeks to mitigate this and tell all women around the world that no matter what your bodies look like they should love them because it's theirs to cherish. And one of my favorite clothing lines that I like to wear has a shirt that says fuck a thigh gap. And another one that says like thick thighs save lives. And I just love them. I think what I get frustrated with is that we had a couple of years where the media was not talking about toning and slimming and burning belly fat. And we're back to that bullshit. And it's so annoying to try to be an educator in a world where the media wants this stuff. And guess why they want this stuff because it sells magazines. So please stop fucking buying that shit. If you want it to stop, we have to as a collective say I don't want an article on how to slim my thighs. I want an article how to love my thighs. I don't want an article on how to tone my arms in five minutes, I actually want an article on how to strengthen my arms so that I can be older in this world and have a great time in menopause. We are a huge amount of people that can demand what we want. So we need to, this is my call to action, demand it from these publications because I'm pissed off about it and I'm sure my publicist is like you've just stopped telling us like there's no such thing as that that can never happen and here's what you can do. Okay.Brad Crowell 3:09  Nice. Lesley Logan 3:10  Anyways, I'm just on a pedestal over here just a little pissed off.Brad Crowell 3:13  Yeah, upcoming events and travel.Lesley Logan 3:14  So, tomorrow, literally tomorrow, we are going to be at POT, that's Pilates On Tour, Balanced Body's Pilates On Tour Phoenix, April 26th to the 28th. Come see us in person we have a booth. The May is just literally around the corner and so the May Accelerator, you can go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That is our two-hour workshop that Brad leads that will help you grow your studio. So if you are an instructor or studio owner that works for yourself, this workshop is for you. And it's not just where you get thrown up on an information that you'll then go back to work and never integrate.Brad Crowell 3:45  No, it's an actual workshop. We're going to work on your stuff together in the workshop. It's gonna be good it's gonna be for people who are new to teaching or people who've been, had a studio for 20 years and they're just kind of feeling like okay, I've got my clients but the needle is not moving. This workshop is also for you, too.Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. And then also happening in May is another early bird for Cambodia because October trip is so sold out, it's so sold out so you have to actually sign up for the February opportunity and those on the waitlist are going to get the early bird if you're not on the waitlist you're just going to hear about Cambodia, but when you actually can sign up for it, it will be full price. And the last one almost sold out on early bird. So just saying, you want to think about that. So go to lesleylogan.co/retreats to get on that waitlist. And finally upcoming is our June OPC Summer Camp. Oh my gosh, it is, okay, I think it's eight events each day. We have OPC teachers and guest teachers who are all OPC members and we have workshops and workouts. I'm leading a workout and a workshop and other people are leading their workshops or workouts. We've got something for everybody, hyper mobile, strength building, reformer workouts, tower workouts, mat workouts, soccer, runners, like we've got something for everybody so you want to go to opc.me/events opc.me/events stay on the waitlist because if you're an OPC member, you get the best early bird you will just give me email for that. And if you're not an OPC member and you're on the waitlist, you'll get the second best early bird but if you're not an OPC member and you're not on the waitlist, you get the third best early bird which is not the same as the first best or second best. So get on the waitlist. opc.me/events Brad Crowell 5:19  opc.me/events all right.Lesley Logan 5:21  Okay, we have an audience question before we get into Jordan's episode. Brad Crowell 5:25  We do from YouTube. Sofia asked, should you wear grip socks to Pilates? Are they necessary? Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, so I love this question so much that we actually did a whole live on it for our YouTube channel because it's really appropriate for our subscribers over there. So if you are a YouTube subscriber first of all, thanks so much. For the OPC subscriber, you can subscribe to this podcast and we thank you for that too, especially if you want to see what's happening behind this microphone. Brad Crowell 5:51  Yeah, this podcast has its own YouTube channel. Lesley Logan 5:53  Yeah, yeah. But on the Online Pilates Classes YouTube channel, I actually answered this in a very a lot of detail. But do you so here's a quick story, do you need to wear grip socks, not unless it's a studio mandatory thing. So if you're at your own home, you don't need to your bare feet are unless you have sweaty feet are going to be great and super solid and not very slippery. That being said, if you have super sweaty feet, or you're going into a public studio, grip socks are really great and a lot of studios require them, I require them because people's toenail polish was like rubbing off on my equipment, but a lot of people require them because of germs. Just like you know, like you're stepping on the dirty floor that people just walk past to go the bathroom, you know what I mean? Like just the grip socks are really great. They also do ensure that your feet are sticky on the equipment. Most importantly, don't wear regular socks if the socks don't have grip on them or the grip has gotten old time for new socks. And we have ads on the show every single week about Toesox and Tavi socks. I am an ambassador for them. And so if you just go to toesox.com or Tavi Active, you can actually use my code Lesley L-E-S-L-E-Y to get a discount on anything. And that includes their Vooray bags, by the way. So like, go get some sox go get some sticky socks, and they're really great. Some people use them (inaudible). They have really cool bags. Really, really cool bags. So anyway, Sofia, I love this question. I went into more detail on the YouTube channel. So we'll make sure that link is there if you want to actually see me talk about the socks and explain more details about how the socks can actually help you over there. For you guys who have questions, there's no question that's off limits, we will answer it. It's a great way for us to get to know you, for us to support you, for us to help you with what's going on. So ask a question, it can be Pilates, it can be business, it can be life, can be you know, somebody asked the other day what what shorts I was wearing? And I was like, yeah, and I was like, okay, let me see what shorts I was wearing. So, you know, we're here to help.Brad Crowell 7:11  Reach out, you know, reach out, lots of ways to do that. Okay, now let's talk about Jordan Dunin. Jordan Dunin's life took a dramatic turn following a serious accident in 2016, leading to a traumatic brain injury in a battle with chronic Lyme disease. Today, he's the founder of HatchPath, and a passionate life coach. Jordan uses his journey of recovery and discovery to empower others, emphasizing his roles as a father and half marathoner in his mission to foster wellness, human connections and support others in their own health challenges. Pretty dramatic story.Lesley Logan 7:50  Oh, my god. First of all, I can't believe he didn't die. Brad Crowell 7:54  Yeah, if y'all have not listened to the episode, he banged his head. And it was like, I don't know. It sounds like it was a pretty intense bang on the head. But somehow the hospital released him. And he literally was working in finance, he went back to work and was like, I can't see my computer screen. Lesley Logan 8:48  Yeah, no (inaudible).Brad Crowell 8:48  He dropped out of college. Lesley Logan 8:50  Yeah, just life changing. And I mean, there was some reasons like he part of it was like, he didn't want to admit how hurt he was. Brad Crowell 8:57  Right. Sure. Lesley Logan 8:57  And you know, doctors can't help what they can't see. So anyways, it was just a lot. But he has turned that around. And then taken, like, what he saw as a problem is like, hey, it's really hard to figure out who to hire like where these coaches are, like, all this stuff. And he created Hatch, which is like, is really awesome. But before we get into that one thing I liked that he said is like, we are the only constant of all of our problems. That's what a lot of his coaches said. And so in 2020, he was the leading factor to his illness. And so he said, whatever your problem is, you are there, or you are part of it in a way. Brad Crowell 9:34  Yeah, whatever your problem is, you are there. You're in the middle of it. Yeah, I think it's really easy to do this. I mean, this is effectively stories that we tell ourselves, you know, and we talk, we talk about this so many times in the pod of like, okay, this is what I'm telling myself. So I'm, you know, I'm believing this thing. And Lesley Logan 10:00  Well, we put the problem outside of ourselves, like, we don't have control of it like, oh, my injury caused X, Y and Z. Brad Crowell 10:06  Well, yeah, that too. But I mean, even the story of like, oh, well, it's not that bad. You know, like, maybe that's what he was telling himself. Which is why he wasn't taking action.Lesley Logan 10:16  Yeah. And so I think like,Brad Crowell 10:20  I think it's like denial. Lesley Logan 10:21  Well, a lot of us or a lot of us do this all the time. And it doesn't have to be on such a grand scale that he experienced it. But like, anytime you are saying, oh, because, like, you know, we coach teachers, and when, like, when my clients won't reschedule their own sessions. Okay. Well, you're part of that problem. Brad Crowell 10:37  That's right. Lesley Logan 10:37  You are, you are, and I get they're 70. Guess what? Brad Crowell 10:40  Well, you know what my coach said to me, which was tough. I said, I've got this developer who, like, just isn't delivering his work on time. And my coach said to me, well, how does that help you? Why are you allowing that to happen? And I was like, what? It doesn't fucking help me. And I'm not allowing it to happen. He's like, well, you are allowing it to happen, he still works for you. What are you talking about? I was like, oh, how's it helping me? Why am I not addressing this problem? It must be easier for me to not address the problem than it is to have the results of what I wanted from this guy. Right? And I was like, that was tough for me to kind of wrap my head around and tough for me to swallow. You know, same thing, though. That's like, wherever your problem is. You are there.Lesley Logan 11:26  Yeah. And I think like to go back to my story, because we have, (inaudible) business leaders listening to us. I get that your 70-plus-year-old clients don't want to learn technology. I'm gonna tell you right now, their fucking microwave is more complicated than your scheduling tool, like their dishwasher. Like they have things in their life that they have figured out because they had to or they wanted to, and if they choose not to, and you want to like, okay, I want them as a client, you can say the only way I can reschedule you is in person. That's it, I'll do it. But it has to be during your session time. It's going to cut into your session time. And I'm not going to do it outside of your session time. So guess what? They will figure it out the moment they need to change it. Brad Crowell 11:26  They sure fucking will because it's annoying. Lesley Logan 12:06  I'm telling you they will. And if your scheduling tool is complicated, get a new one. Get one that's not get one that is pretty simple. Because it should be easy for the user and you complain about they won't do it. And it's multiple days, you're allowing this problem to happen. Brad Crowell 12:19  Yep. Yep. Jordan said the way he looks at coaching is that it's a path. Right? And because it's really interesting, we haven't talked about HatchPath, yet, but effectively, he was out there trying to find help for himself. And he said there was no real database of vetted, like, vetted coaches like and coaches isn't necessarily life coaching, it could have been exercise or you know, mindset or Lesley Logan 12:47  You're just Googling whoever's the best better SEO which means, you gotta pay to play like Brad Crowell 12:51  It doesn't make them the top-qualified thing. And you know, there was no real trusted resource. And he said, now, today, what HatchPath is, is a, basically a platform where they interview different coaches in across five different topics. Like, I can't actually remember them, but it's like fitness, spirituality, mindset, stuff like that. And they have these conversations with these coaches before they allow the coach to list themselves on the platform. And he said, when he interviews them, and he's looking for coach with empathy, right, that's like a really, really big sticking point for him. And he said, the best coaches, coaches, something that they've already overcome themselves. So that's why today he coaches people on Lyme disease, because he overcame Lyme disease. And he said, there are coaches who coach on anxiety, weight loss, weight gain, there's no one size fits all for health. Lesley Logan 13:47  That's so true. Brad Crowell 13:48  Which is why he has all sorts of different coaches on the platform, which I thought was really interesting. Lesley Logan 13:53  Yeah, I love that he took this problem then created a solution. And not only is it allowing him to potentially help more people for what he specializes in, it's actually allowing people, all these coaches can be in one place and they're vetted. And then also, all these people can go and it makes me so excited, because what if the Lyme person like recovers from that, but then wants coaching on something else they don't have to, like, start fresh and find something new, they can actually go throughout what has been created for them to help them all succeed. I just think it's great. I think everyone wins on this. Brad Crowell 14:24  Yeah, I feel like our insurance system tried to do this with doctors and like having doctor's profiles, and, you know, there's all these, there's websites and all this stuff on that. And you know, that that's like the beginning of this idea, because, you know, a coach doesn't have to be a doctor, right? So they have more than 200 coaches on there now, and they've, he said that they're spread out across like 19 different niches. And that includes things like you can read up on the coach ahead of time. You can understand their credentials that what I specialize in also there's reviews, and then you know, you can actually I find different coaches for different things even. So, clever, really interesting. I like the idea of it. And I also agree with you I love that kind of rolled out of his own need. And his own, you know, the things that he was able to win. Lesley Logan 15:13  I think like we, you probably heard this a million times, is called like your message is your message. And like, you know, the obstacle is the way. And the reality is like, I love having these people on who share like, whoa, what the hell happened to you? And now look what path it's put you on? And so I love this called HatchPath. Because anyways, the link will be in the show notes for you to actually go check it out if you are a coach who wants to be on it, or you're wanting to find a coach? Brad Crowell 15:39  Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items what bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jordan Dunin? Okay, Jordan said, what the things that we do daily become us. That was like kind of like a rude awakening. It's like, oh, shit, that'sLesley Logan 15:59   You are what you eat and what you do. Brad Crowell 16:01  True. Because the concept of, of a cure is so fickle. The only way we change is when we change. He said it took 20 years to get sick, it took him his body 20 years to get sick. And he's like taking this pill for two weeks isn't going to fix that. It's a process to do the reverse of whatever it was that took you to the place you're in now. That's like, literally with anything, any change you want to make. It took you time to get to that point. And it's going to take you time to shift away from that. So. Lesley Logan 16:35  Be kind to yourself. Brad Crowell 16:36  Yeah and I think you're right. Being kind to yourself is really understanding that it's a journey. It's a path and he talked about coaching as a path. He said that the biggest thing that was helpful for him was when he began to change his identity, right? He was associating himself as someone who was sick. And so because he's sick, I can't do this thing, right, or it became this limiting factor. And he shifted into a different identity, where hey, okay, I am sick. But that doesn't define me. That's not who I am. I happen to be sick, but I am still Jordan. You know, he said he thinks that habit change and identity is something that really leads to success, it comes down to what we do day to day, and if we do something tomorrow different than we did today, so, yeah, for us, I mean, this is literally the be it. This is being it till you see it. You know, this is taking what bold, executable intrinsic or targeted steps can you take, you know, making these small changes on a daily basis will help you move to a different spot, you know, mentally or physically or any of those things.Lesley Logan 17:52  Yeah. Well, the next step is to envision a goal. And then he want you to envision you have everything that you want in that like everything you want is there, envision it, and then this is the most important part. How does it feel? Brad Crowell 18:07  How does it feel? Lesley Logan 18:09  And then he wants you to feel that right now. And then go after it because you can, the feeling sometimes we like Brad Crowell 18:18  I just got chills. Lesley Logan 18:18  I know. So remember, remember way back to episode three. Brad Crowell 18:23  Oh, geez. Lesley Logan 18:23  Our dear, dear friend, episode three, whose name is escaping me, but he's so handsome. And he is so nice. And we've had him on many times on the podcast many timesBrad Crowell 18:34  Alex.Lesley Logan 18:35  No, Alex, Alex was five or seven. This is episode three.Brad Crowell 18:40  Episode Three, Rob Mack.Lesley Logan 18:43  Rob Mack. Rob Mack talked about how like you don't get to see the whole staircase you can see the first step and what I love about feeling into a goal is it really does help you make the next step because you can go off of like okay does like let's just say you want to like be a biohacker. Okay, how does a biohacker feel? And it's like, okay, biohackers, like, take a cold shower and like, okay, feel it, like, okay, they take cold showers like how's that feel? And then you won't take a cold shower and doesn't feel like that. Maybe you need to do a cold plunge or maybe you need to do cold room or maybe you need to just like do the feet only. And that's just like a really made-up thing. But like feeling into that goal. Having it now makes it easier for you to judge should you say yes or no to something because you might not be able to the full staircase yet. But you can feel something you can feel the energy from the other person is going to participate. And if it doesn't feel like the energy you had when you envisioned your goal, it, it makes it that vision doesn't have to be perfect. But your feeling is something that you can go off of your gut instinct more. I love that.Brad Crowell 19:44  I think also, you know, he was talking about the 500 square foot apartment in New York where you lay in marble floors at the end of the day. It's still a 500-square-foot apartment. And he said what if there were no limitations about around that, like, imagine when you're when you're envisioning your goal? Think bigger and then how does that feel? I feel like we don't feel, you know, these goals, we just write it on a wall. And we're like, yeah, I want to, you know, make money like this, or I want this car, or this thing or whatever. And but then we don't actually imagine what it's going to be like, you know, when you are there. And that is like, I think, you know, you talk about habits, you talk about changing habits, associating. Like, the habit has to feel good, or you won't continue to do it, your body will just won't allow you to do it, your brain won't won't want to do it, so you won't make it a habit. So if you can feel that vision, you know, and it's positive for you. What is it going to do? It's gonna make you want to go there to get that to be it.Lesley Logan 20:55  So, feel it to be it. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 20:59  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 21:00  Thank you so much for listening to this podcast and you've been one of our listeners, it just, it really means a lot to me. Thank you for writing reviews and sending your favorite takeaways. I love, I love I love how are you getting them to me? You get them to me in some random places. And it's a fun like Easter egg hunt. And I just adore you all so, so very much. Thanks for being with us for 359 episodes. So how are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Jordan Dunin. Tell him. Tag the Be It Pod so we can share it. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 21:28  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 21:30  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Lesley Logan 21:57  Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 22:12  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 22:17  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 22:22  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 22:29  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 22:32  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

You thought you had a great date, y'all have been texting it up, then suddenly the person disappears! WTF?! Happiness coach, Rob Mack, and author of “Happiness From The Inside Out” joins Natasha Chandel in shedding light on the real reasons why someone ghosts and how to manage the inevitable disappointment. That said, is there ever a good reason to ghost someone? → Book a 1:1 Coaching with Natasha or optimize your dating profile with PROFILE BOOSTER! Learn more here! ← → Watch video clips from the show, laugh at hilarious memes, and talk to us by following Kinda Dating on Instagram and TikTok! ← And check out our brand new website! Follow Coach Rob Mac: Website, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter Follow Natasha Chandel: Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Facebook Follow Adam Pineless: Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is focusing on elevating our own vibration selfish? How can we give our attention and energy to that when so many are suffering right now, and the world is in such apparent chaos? Lisa and her longtime teaching partner, Oprah-endorsed, Positive Psychology Expert Robert Mack delve into these questions in this poignant episode about non-duality and the nature of expanded consciousness.  Find out about Joy School and Lisa McCourt events Rob Mack www.coachrobmack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FAT FISH#10. Rob Mack, motivational speaker and life coach opens up about suicide and helping people. Fish and Grunny rail on memes and each other! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Known as 'Mr Grenache', Rob started Aphelion with a dream to hand craft premium wines and he has done just that. With 6 different Grenache styles on offer, Aphelion is a must-visit when next in the McLaren Vale. @thewineshowaustralia @aphelionwines

Most people fear feeling anxious or hate being depressed. Happiness coach Rob Mack gives us today tips that will aid you, your thoughts, and ultimately help you become HAPPY! Happiness in your personal life, career, relationships and much more! Rob Mack is a psychology expert, Celebrity Happiness coach, and author. His work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, Lisa Nichols and many others! I hope you enjoy this episode. Leave a comment on itunes and share this episode to people in your life that you know will benefit from it. Feeling stuck and need some major accountability? Learn more about my 1 on 1 mindset life, wellness and relationship coaching where we connect all the dots to conquer your fears, give you accountability, encouragement and most importantly the path to success mentally, emotionally and physically. Learn more here : https://www.jasonrosell.com/life-wellness-relationship-business Want to take your company, brand or business to the next and best level? Learn more about my private 1 on 1 coaching that I offer to select individuals seeking to prosper in more ways they ever thought were possible: https://www.jasonrosell.com/1on1socialmediacoaching I am always open to any topics you may have that I cover. Send me a voice message that I will play on my podcast : https://anchor.fm/jason-rosell/message Follow on Instagram: http://instagram.com/jasonrosellLIVE Get inspired and KEEP IT CALIENTE! - Jason --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/jason-rosell/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-rosell/support

Still not convinced that money doesn't buy happiness? If so, this episode is for you. I chat with Rob Mack, a Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, and Author of Love from the Inside Out: Lessons and Inspiration for Loving Yourself, Your Life, and Each Other about how we can tap into the well of inner happiness and avoid the pitfall of assigning fulfillment to material possessions. Rob is an expert in so many things, but as someone who splits time between LA and Miami—he knows a thing or two about what's real and what's ego and image. Show Notes 01:25 Rob' Story 03:03 Going from depression to Happiness From the Inside Out, Love from the Inside Out 04:56 The Dark Night of the Soul- what it can look and feel like 07:58 Finding happiness inside yourself while surrounded by a culture of materialism 14:47 How to conceptualize loneliness. You can be lonely in a crowd and feel content by yourself. 17:59 Mental happy places as a tool for avoiding over-thinking and being present 23:29 More money, more problems. Sometimes people are trapped by their wealth 26:52 Final thoughts & further resources Robs' links: Website Books LinkedIn IG

I was excited to have this conversation with Rob! He is a man who knows happy and what it takes to be happy :) He is a critically acclaimed author and celebrity endorsed happiness coach. Before the conversation I read his book "Happiness from the Inside Out" and what a great book it is. Rob covers so many topics and it's a really easy read. I read it in a few sittings.What I love about Rob is his genuine take on what it means to be happy and how he explains it in a way that everyone will understand. I hope that this is one of many conversations I will be having with Rob!I have added the links to his books and to his website and I hope that you enjoy this amazing conversation :)Many think that happiness, like success, comes from getting what they want. But new evidence from positive psychology suggests that happiness is something else, or at least something more.Presenting surprisingly practical wisdom in a playful and entertaining format, Rob Mack delivers a simple-to-follow instruction manual, based in both science and personal experience, for living a happier, healthier, and wealthier life, starting today.Mack describes eight tried-and-true principles for realizing unconditional happiness and achieving the unparalleled success that comes with it.With a little effort, anyone — regardless of current circumstances — can discover new levels of joy and contentment on the inside and live a wonderfully prosperous and abundant life on the outside.ROBERT MACK - Home (coachrobmack.com)Books - ROBERT MACK (coachrobmack.com)ROB MACK (@robmackofficial) • Instagram photos and videos Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, I had the honor and joy of connecting with Rob Mack.  Rob is an Ivy League-Educated, Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Published Author, and Television Host & Producer.  He is also a kind, authentic and magical soul. Rob shares about his own spiritual awakening, and how he went from being suicidal to a world-renowned happiness expert.  We discussed why happiness is an inside job and some of the tools that Rob uses to support clients on living in joy. I learned so much from this conversation, and I know you will too! Key Takeaways:Happiness is an inside job.  Research in positive psychology shows that no more than 10% of happiness can be attributed to external factors.   Happiness is your natural state of being.  The trick is to learn how to return to that natural state.The difference between happy and unhappy people is not about the thoughts in their heads, but their relationships to those thoughts.  Happy people have learned not to take their minds too seriously.What we view as the truth is at best an approximation of universal wisdom.  And our perception of a situation as good or bad, is a judgment and not the truth.Needing nothing attracts everything.  Desire can block happiness because it creates a desperate need of seeking something outside of yourself to bring you happiness. The more we release attachment to external things for our sense of well being, the more our innate state of well being can begin to attract in that which will truly bring us joy. There's a difference between “heart happy” and “head happy.”  Things and experiences that feel our soul, are often different from the things and experiences we think will make us happy. Intuition comes as heart whispers. To hear them, we must quiet our mindTrigger Warning: suicidal ideation and self-harm (4:30 - 6:10). Connect and learn with Rob Mack here:Website: https://www.coachrobmack.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robmackofficial/ Both of Rob's books can be found here: https://bookshop.org/shop/VictoriashawintuitiveDisclosure: I am an affiliate of Bookshop.org and I will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase.Did you know I offer intuitive readings and coaching sessions to clients all over the world?   You can book your session here:  https://app.paperbell.com/checkout/packages?provider_id=13555Connect and learn with me here:https://victoriashawintuitive.com/www.instagram.com/victoriashawintuitiveIf you would like to connect with other like-minded souls, take a deeper dive into the topics discussed in these episodes, or learn more about how to awaken to your own inner magnificence, please join us in my Facebook group, Intuitive Connection Community here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntuitiveconnectioncommunityAre you ready to take the next steps in awakening your intuition?  Please enjoy and download a copy of my Free Activate Your Intuition Ebook: https://victoriashawintuitive.com/free-e-book/If you would like to take a deeper dive into leveraging the power of your intuition, please check out my self-paced, online

Check out our latest Facebook live with Happiness Coach Rob Mack. Coach Mack and Queenie love shares in a very similar mindset, their thoughts on Happiness, Love and Relationships. Coach Mack spreads his wisdom regarding the importance of self work, choosing that happiness regardless of the dark days and both share in the importance of choice. We choose to get up daily and LOVE and to be happy! In this episode, "NOTHING IS WASTED"...not an experience, nor and encounter....nothing! Follow our guest at: @robmackofficial www.coachrobmack.com Books: Happiness from the Inside Out & Love from the Inside Out Celebrity Happiness Coach Rob Mack --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Rob Mack, a positive psychology expert, author and television personality, shares his lessons and inspirations for how to “Love from the Inside Out”. The headline today is: Why is being “too nice” such a turn off? The Dear Damona question is: My on again, off again relationship keeps failing but I can't let it go. What should I do? Follow Rob on Instagram @RobMackOfficial Grab a copy of his book “Love from the Inside Out” at CoachRobMack.com/books Enrollment is NOW OPEN for Damona's last live coaching program of the year.  Reserve your spot in The Dating Accelerator at TheDatingSecret.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As a Celebrity Happiness Coach and over 20 years running a private practice, Rob drops valuable advice throughout this entire interview that can be implemented right away to live a more happy, prosperous, and love-able life. We dive into some practical ways to tap into your innate ability to love unconditionally, attract amazing opportunities, and manifest positive changes in your life. Some questions I asked: Where do peace, love, and happiness come from? What's your advice to someone who's in a relationship and feels like it's kind of fizzling out or lack passion?  If there's one thing that someone could do to to feel more peaceful, loved and happy what would it be? What does love mean to you?  In this episode, you will learn: Rob's experience of struggling with depression as a young adult and how he overcame it. Parents, like everybody else, are doing the best they can - why we need to forgive our parents for their shortcomings and love them even more.  The unexpected beauty of pain and suffering. Byron Katie's 4 Questions for Stressful Thoughts Why we need to stop blaming and start accepting. The power of loving and serving others without expecting anything in return. Aloneness vs Loneliness Happiness shared is happiness multiplied.  What it means to be Love-ABLE. How to experience more love, peace, and abundance in your life no matter how busy you are. Love from the Inside Out. Links and Resources: Love From the Inside Out: Lessons and Inspiration for Loving Yourself, Your Life, and Each Other Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life by Byron Katie Power vs Force by David R. Hawkins, Ph. D Loveability by Robert Holden, Ph. D Connect with Rob: Website: www.coachrobmack.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/robmackofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/robmackofficial LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/robmackofficial Connect with Jake to see how he can speak, consult, or collaborate with your team. Website: www.jakehavron.com Podcast: www.jakehavron.com/podcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/jakehavron

We're back for Season 15 with crowd-favorite, positive psychology and happiness expert Rob Mack as we talk about the frustration and futility of seeking love from others, instead of yourself. We discuss why we're searching for love in all the wrong places, the detriment of overthinking when it comes to your love life, and how to balance needs in a relationship plans for the future with the present, eternal love that we all hold. Trigger Warning: There is a brief mention of thoughts of being suicidal in the intro when discussing Rob's background and catalyst for becoming a happiness expert. Follow Rob @robmackofficial and learn more about Rob at https://www.coachrobmack.com/. Get Rob's new book Love from the Inside Out: Lessons and Inspiration for Loving Yourself, Your Life, and Each OtherFollow us @dateablepodcast. Check out our website for more content, virtual live show dates, and merch. Join the Sounding Board at https://www.dateablepodcast.com/soundingboardThank you to our partners for this episode:Aurelia: Get 10% off your custom lingerie subscription box using the code DATEABLE10 at Aureliabox.comDrizly: Download the Drizly app or go to Drizly.com and use promo code FAST5 for $5 off your first order.Ettitude: Get 20% off your order of unbelievably soft bamboo sheets and free shipping for a limited time by going to ettitude.com/dateableCover art Photography Credit: Larry Wong #lwongphotoDateable is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more outstanding podcasts to subscribe to at frolic.media/podcastsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/dateable-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Join Robert Mack as he joins Chelsea to discuss how to become happy. Rob Mack is Ivy-League-Educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Inspirational Speaker, and Published Author. As seen on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E!, and OWN. Rob & Chelsea discuss: Rob's story and how he searched and found happiness. How happiness is inside of you and how to own it. The truth about how success won't lead to happiness but how happiness leads to success. Tips for unconditional happiness Why saying in shape helps Rob stay happy and mentally fit. We gained so much insight from Rob's story and we know you will too. Please note this episode mentions suicide. If this triggers you in anyway please either skip this podcast or reach out to your doctor or psychologist for support. Connect with Rob: Website: www.coachrobmack.com Instagram: @robmackofficial Book: Love Inside Out Inspiration Yourself Connect with Chelsea www.eqminds.com Instagram: @eqminds & @chelseapottengerofficial The Mindful High Performer is now available on Audible globally, get it here: https://www.audible.com.au/pd/The-Mindful-High-Performer-Audiobook/B0B5F4VGM8

Today I'm sharing a chat with my longtime friend Rob Mack. We're talking all about love: How to find it ourselves, create more of it in the world, and embody it by searching for a story that is both positive and true. Plus, Rob shares his own meditation practices and helps us understand how we are naturally wired to see problems, and how we can work on reducing that bias. Read today's show notes at terricole.com/423

On this special Episode Brandon, has the opportunity to interview someone that has an amazing story to share with the listeners. He's been featured on numerous national news shows such as Access Hollywood, Good Morning America and the Today Show just to name a few. Rob Mack even gives us a sneak peak into what he's getting ready to launch and what you can't google anywhere.    For more info follow on instagram @robmackofficial

Get to know your host, Lesley Logan, on this week's special solo episode. Many of you know and love her, but this episode tells the story of how she is Being It Till she Sees It and the experiences that have paved the way for her career as a Pilates Instructor, Fitness Business Coach, and Podcast host.    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Remembering your childhood tenacity Lesleys journey to becoming a Pilates Instructor and entrepreneurLearning to love the messy middle How every single experience is making you who you are Building awareness around what you are working towardsWhat is helping Lesley to Be It Till she Sees It  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:04  Lesley solo episode take three.Hey loves, it's me Lesley, your host and I am all by myself. All by myself. I won't sing to you. Actually, I cannot. So we'll just stop right there. (Lesley laughs) So we are doing the solo episode, the team and I were talking about it and we realized that you probably don't know like how I got here and you probably actually don't know a lot about Brad because Brad is is not exactly on the social. So first of all if you have been with us since the beginning thank you so much. If this is your first episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast, this is an interesting, this is an unique episode and so feel free to pause this now and go listen to some interviews and some recaps if you want to get in on like the behind like what is the usual of this podcast. But you can also listen to this one as a first one and then go back and listen to those ones. You get to do you, over here the Be It till You See It podcast. In fact that is what being it tell you see it is. It is acting like the person who knows what they're doing, and something that they want to do. And this podcast has been like a literal, be it till you see it experience like an open like open experiment, right? I don't even know if they have those things, but like an op... like anyone could just be watching at the at the same time. So here's the deal. I am a verbal processor. I actually freakin love interviews and recaps because I have a guest and I'm talking to someone and it's a lot more fun to play off of someone. So being that this is my first solo episode, it probably isn't going to be perfect. And I hope that you'll love it anyways because they'll just get better. They'll just get better from here. And we all have to start somewhere. And since this is my take three, I decided this is going to be the last take no matter what. So here we go.I did not believe, I didn't even know I could be a Pilates instructor. Actually, I didn't even know what it was growing up. Some people ask me like, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" I don't really freakin know. I want to be a lot of things. I want to be anything that got me out of the town I was in, that's for sure. I was like, "I'll be a doctor. I'll be a lawyer." I knew I never wanted to be poor because I grew up in a family that struggled with money. And I knew I didn't want that and I knew I don't want to live in that small ass town. Because I definitely didn't feel like I belong there. And I knew we couldn't afford college. But I had to go, like I just had to do it. And I was like, here's here's, here's what I freakin love about when I think about who I was back then there's a lot of parts that I'm embarrassed about. There's a lot of parts. I'm like, "Oh my God, really." There's a lot of insecurity. Who didn't have that on there in high school and junior high? But there was a ton. However, I was on such a mission to move the heck out and go to college, that I found a way. Right. And we're talking like my SAT score sucked but I found a way. I didn't have the money or the person to cosign for my student loans but I found a way. And I really and I did I got myself, first August after my senior year of high school. After graduating, I was at a school that I definitely couldn't afford. And I just wanted to be there. I share that with you because I think we probably have forgotten thing. I think I know I forgot the story. But you may have forgotten like just the tenacity that you had when you were younger. The tenacity that you had before you that you could be found out in a way that people would be disappointed. The tenacity that you had before you got married or had kids or had responsibilities like we freakin' tenacity. Okay. Right. And so one thing I want you to do is really look back at your life and actually write down the data of the times that you actually did things even when you're scared. Did things when you felt confident like think about episode, I want to say it was three with Rob Mack, but it was like your, (Is it three?) Yeah, happiness islands and happiness valleys like think about your confident islands and your confident valleys, right? So I want you to go back and I want you to look that over because you need those lists. You need that information to help you be it till you see it. And I know that I need that because I I use those times all the time like someday I'm so grateful for in this journey that I'm on, is that so much stuff is actually documented in different ways between testimonials and reviews and podcasts. I've been on and magazines like we talked like the team documents everything and so when I'm feeling like down on myself or like nothing is working or no one is listening or we're we're just somehow not reaching the people I want to reach. I look at all of the data that shows that we are, that doesn't mean we can't do better but it doesn't mean we're not not doing it, right? What... it's means it's happening. It's just sometimes we don't all we need to look at the data, we need to look at the evidence. And I have a guest I want to have on someday and he talks a lot about that with imposter syndrome is like looking at the data.So, I got myself to college. Became a store manager of a high end jewelry store. Let me tell you talk about imposter syndrome. I did not grow up with nice, like, designer things. I grew up with nice things. But you know, my parents found found some amazing people who gave us their nice things. But I didn't I didn't grow up, like being able to buy those things, or tucking in like high end designer stuff. And so I definitely felt this urge to, to try to be the person who would, that that those prices weren't weird, or those prices weren't awkward or buying gifts over those prices wasn't a weird thing. And I had to like act like this person who could buy a $700 purse that they don't need. And let me tell you, you might be like, "Lesley, how does that help you in life?" It helped me in so many ways, because what it really helped me do is realize that money was not something that was bad, or that only people who are, like bad people have or that there's a finite amount of money. In that job, I learned so much about the types of people who have money, I learned that not to judge a book by its cover, because some of the people who spent the most money had the rattiest T shirts on. And I also learned that there is so much. That there's an abundance of everything, and anything and so whatever it is that you're wanting in this world, I want you to picture that, I want you to visualize that, I want you to get really clear what that is. Who are you? What are you wearing? Where are you at? Why? Because all those things matter. And I and you cannot be it till you see it if you don't know who you're trying to be. It's not possible. So recently, I interviewed Dr. Philippe Douyon, and he talks about how our vision has an entire lobe. And then it's like so serendipitous, I heard something that was like, our eyes and ears only see and hear what our brain is looking for. So they're not like all these independent senses. Like, if you picture it, then your brain is going to look for evidence for that doesn't like dissonance. So go look for evidence for that. And so you're going to see and hear all the evidence for your thoughts to be true. Whatever those thoughts are, whether you like it or not, everyone is doing this. So the more the more of us that are doing it for the good, the better. Right? And so in doing that, in, in, in, in seeing how much abundance there was, I started to realize how much I could actually have and what what possibilities are out there. Right. And so when I was told I should become a Pilates instructor. I'm not gonna lie, I definitely I was like, "What? Me? I could do that?" But then I like but then I pictured myself as a Pilates instructor. You know, it helped, helped Lululemon was a big deal back then. So, so I could picture myself on the new Lululemon. And I pictured myself teaching these huge classes. And I pictured myself at like wonderlust types of events, teaching hundreds of people on a grassy knoll, let me just tell you, that is beautiful, and flies. So, so I've taught hundreds of people indoors but um, I, I started to think about it and visualize it. And so then I said yes to becoming a teacher. And I'll never forget as a brand new teacher, and I had this opportunity to teach 30 people in a room, which doesn't sound like a lot of people. Alright, some of you who have never taught it's like a lot of people, especially if you hear the guests of ours that we've had that are like, I speak to 10,000 people in a room. Okay. 30 people, not that many. But when you've only taught two or five in a room, 30 people feels like a lot. And I remember given this opportunity and being so scared. Being so like, "Oh my God, what if they find out? What if they think I'm not good enough? What are they, then if they want to leave?"And then I remembered that I could act like the person who could take teach 30 people. And I learned that from my time being in retail. So y'all every step, every single experience you've had is gotten you to here. And it was for nothing. Right? Every single experience you had made you who you are, gave you a skill. And so I visualize myself being someone who can teach 30 people. And then I started asking, "Well, what would I do? What would I say? How would I handle this? What would I do? What would a person who teaches 30 people all the time, think about someone lead me? And I really wrap my head around it. And then I went in there I walked across that stage, it's showtime, taught this class, I'm not gonna lie, the first five exercises like, oh, gosh, crickets, and like, just some really, really interesting fitness faces. And then somebody smiled. and was like, "Yeah, that was hard." And then I was like, "Okay, he liked it." Okay, if he liked it, then maybe other people like and all of a sudden I felt like everybody was for me, and they're cheering me on and they were cheering me on so much, they all left comment cards. And that's how I got classes at a gym, four years before I should have, without any other than any other audition. Um, so everything happens for you. And so all of that led me to multiple trainings and multiple different opportunities of, of, of managing studios, renting studios, having my own studio. And I'm not gonna lie, it was scary every single time, every single thing, every new level is a new devil. And it's always scary. But something that I realized along the way is whenever I would fight things, whenever I pretend to not know, it felt worse. And it always felt better when I would picture the dream, picture the goal, get really clear on it, and then, and then take the steps that a person who had achieved that would do. And it's an interesting skill set. It's a muscle like anything else, and you have to work it out. So if you're like, "Lesley, yeah, I get it. But I don't know how to do this next step." It's a muscle. If you were doing a bicep curl with two pounds, and you never go to the gym, you'd be like, "Okay, I could do that." But if I gave you a 15 pound weight, you've never done a bicep curl, it's gonna feel really hard. So you have to build yourself up. You're gonna make mistakes, you're going to have days where you're not being it till you see it, but you keep trying, right? You keep trying. So fast forward many years, we get here, and I wanted to have this podcast and I remember knowing I wanted to have podcast and seeing how the podcast would be and it's like, finished form. And, and I then I had to, I had to interview someone, and I've never done that before. So you know what I did? I literally asked all the people on my memberships if they would go live with me. So please pick times, I need to practice interviewing people. Because something I never thought I was with someone asked good questions. You should really be careful about the things you say about yourself. Because your brain is listening. And so if you tell yourself, "I don't ask her questions," then you think that your brains be like, "Let me show you about this good question." Like, it's not gonna happen. So actually makes me think of the recent episode with Kasey Orvidas, where we talked about like, having a fixed mindset and thinking that you're born with a fixed mindset, because then you actually have a fixed mindset around your fixed mindset, which gets really meta, she said. And so anyways, but here's the deal. So I, I didn't, I didn't want to be someone who believed they didn't ask good questions. I wanted to be someone who believed that they did. So I literally said, "Okay, I'm going to interview all these people." And I practiced interviewing them as if they were going to be on a podcast with me, they were just small Instagram lives. And I just practiced, and you know what the first interview I had to do was my friend Alex Street. You can listen to his episode. It's amazing. And at the end, he's like, "How was that? How do you feel?" I was like, "you're my first one." I was shaking the whole time. And, and the first one was the hardest one, just like this episode right here. This is gonna be the hardest solo episode I'll ever do. And then after this, I mean it's so easy. So one thing I realized in that interview with him was that I just acted like the person who knew what they were doing. And it wasn't perfect. Okay, our microphone doesn't even sound that good. It's not, we have new one after that. (Lesley laughs) But but the point is, is that like being it till you see it is a muscle, and you're not going to be it till you see it to be a speaker of 10,000 people tomorrow, you'll probably be it till you see it to see this speak to like an open forum of five people, right? And then it'll be more, it'll be more and you will start starting off small is not a bad thing. It's not like an underestimation, it's actually allowing you to have room for success. Room for success.So now that this podcast has passed over 100, and something episodes, we are still being it till we see it in a lot of ways. Because we've pasted 100 episodes, that's a huge freaking deal. Thank you for listening. But I don't want to just do 100 episodes, I want to do 1000 episodes. I don't want just 40 reviews. I want 1000s. I don't want just a few 100 listeners whose lives we change. I want millions. Why? Why? Because I know every single frickin one of you that's listening to this, every single one of you is powerful and amazing. And you're here to do freakin wonderful things. And, and you can't do it if you don't believe if you can. And you can't do it, if you keep saying "when I'm ready". And you can't do it, if you're like waiting till someone deems you ready. Deems you the one. No one is walking around knighting you as the next whatever, they're not doing it. If you want something stop waiting for permission. So then, how would you be some like how, who is someone? What are the qualities? What are the things that they do with someone who doesn't wait for permission? What are those qualities? What would they be doing right now? If you are someone who wasn't waiting for permission or wasn't waiting to feel ready? What would you be doing right now? That is your homework assignment. So what is my homework assignment? Well, one of the things as I have been asking people who I was afraid would laugh in my face if I asked him to be on the podcast, to be on the podcast, and they didn't laugh in my face and they also didn't get me crickets, they actually said 'yes'. So now I have to interview them, definitely scared as fuck. (Lesley laughs) But I'm so excited, I'm so excited to bring those interviews to you. I'm so excited to, to be to see what I become because of those interviews. I'm so excited to see who you become because of those interviews. Every single one of those interviews is a step towards being the person that I want to be, it's towards helping you be the person that you want to be. We're all doing this together, right? It just happen to be on this side of the microphone, you're on that side of the airpods, but we're doing this, we're all doing this together. We're all on this mission to be the version of ourselves that we cannot wait to be. And what is so cool about that is when you're acting as if that person someday that you're it's no longer acting, you are just that person. Like it's just like it just it happens and you don't even realize it.So, I am asking guests to scare the hell out of me. That's one way that I'm being it till I see it with this podcast. In my life, one thing that I'm doing to be it till I see it is I am actually doing a lot of research on investing. I really, really, really, really, really, really, really want to create generational wealth, even though I have no generations below me. I don't have kids. But I want to take that money and reinvest it to communities. I want to I want to reinvest it to female owned businesses. I want to help other people, be it till they see it if they don't have the funds. And so to do that, I have to create that wealth, how do I create that wealth, well I have to educate myself on actual wealth. And so I visualize this, right, and I've been visually this for two years. You know, it's so crazy when you visualize something that you are, we talked about this, your eyes and your ears have to see what the brain is looking for. And in the last six months, the amount of people I've been introduced to the books, they've suggested me reading, the things that I have gotten clarity on, have really popped the bubble on, like how complicated this thing is, and shown me that like, I don't have to have a like some sort of like, economic engineering degree, I could actually be a normal human being, who can create this wealth as this Pilates instructor, podcast, business coach, and it feels closer than ever, it feels so possible. So one of the ways I'm going to make sure I read these books, because how many of us go "I need to read that book" and we don't read it. One of the ways I'm I need to make sure I read this, these books isn't going to be a library card. So I can be the reader that I want to be the person who educates herself. So I feel like if I have the a little bit of pressure that the books are due at a certain time that I will get the reading done. And I'm very excited because I used to be like a consumer of books. I like I just could read a book a week. And so I want to I want to go back to that. I know that's in me, and I'm really excited to do it with this challenge.Okay, so the next thing and my be it till we see it journey where I am at, is really trying to be a person who enjoys the messy middle. And this, this lovers is frickin hard. This is not the easiest thing. Because it is so much easier to get frustrated, mad, stomp your feet cry and feel like the wall was me. Right. And I think you should know that in businesses is never, like the stories we tell ourselves about other people's lives and businesses from social media is rarely whatever that is. And it's not because they're lying. And it's not because they're faking it. Right. Every single one of my posts is authentic AF. But the stories we tell ourselves when we look at other people's posts is where we put on this like other layer of like, "Oh my God, how amazing is that?"And so, anyways, I'm there every single day, something will go wrong when you have a business. There's a thing that doesn't work on technology, there's an email that doesn't go through when it's supposed to. Like the dog chewed up the carpet and now we have to tile a room. And so I'm behind on filming, like there's just always stuff going on. And for the last six months, I've been freaking fighting it, like, ... maybe not six months, but at least three, like really fighting, fighting this, the things that go wrong. And I actually want to be the person who sits there and sees the things go wrong and observes them, and then figures out, the first next step around that thing without getting upset or getting angry or losing the joy. Because I get to do this. And I share that with you because I know that you're like, you want the same thing. Right? Many of you are moms and you want to be this mom who's like so excited. And is is showing them joy and happiness and love. And then like the dog spills the milk over the backpack and you're running out the door. I don't know how the dog did that. But basically, it's a whole hot mess express and you're just frustrated and you're upset and I just threw a pen. That's what that was a dramatic moment. But like you're just upset, right? And then you're like, "Ah, I don't want to be this mad, angry mom who lost it over spilt milk." Right? So we all have these things. We're all like, "Oh, I don't want to do that." And so I actually want to be someone who's like, not that I won't have feelings or not that things don't make me upset. But that, that I don't lose it before I've actually observed the whole story. And so how am I doing that? Well, I'm making sure I do my morning pages. Because whenever I do my morning pages, I always feel better the whole day. I'm also doing my breathwork the end of the morning, because that makes me feel ... feel much more centered. And then I am trying out different things right now. I'm trying out either taking a deep breath or asking for, I'm trying not asking for things to be sent to me versus told to me, or to have meet... or have it told me at meetings versus just like, interrupting. I'm trying out different things to just set myself up for success at this. And the other thing I'm doing is going is actually telling people is what I'm working on, so that I have this awareness around it. Right. We all have this, we all have this consciousness awareness around what we're doing. So if you are actually telling people, "I don't want to spend money," and then you're spending money, they're gonna be like, and you're gonna be like, and no one's probably gonna say anything, but you're gonna have that awareness like, "Oh, I'm spending money, and I just told me I don't want to do that." So I'm setting myself up for some growth in that area to be it till I see it in how I want to be in my business, because I'm not really enjoying the way I am right now. And that's okay. So it's okay to be like, "I don't really like this about myself." That's what we get to do in this life, we get to work on it. And that's great.So I hope that was really fun. I hope that was really, I don't know, informa... informative. And if you liked this, let me know DM me at the @be_it_pod or ask questions or feel free to leave us a review. The next thing I want to leave you with on this pod is just some things that are actually I'm really like their frickin helping me so much right now, and I'm really obsessed with so one is my hydro jug. Oh my God, this half gallon stainless steel jug. And it's got this massive straw inside. I don't have to hold the, I don't have to tilt the jug back to drink it. I know that sounds so dumb, but it always spills all over me. And then usually have to like take the lid off, which is so annoying. So this just a little cap, flip it back and then you just like, like a sippy cup, you just drink out of it and don't have to tilt it anywhere. I'm not spilling anything. And it's making me drink so much water. I'm drinking two a day, which is a gallon of water plus where I get the water in everything else. The other thing that I freaking love and you may have heard about this bar, this isn't anything new. But my chocolate collagen brings me frickin joy in my coffee every morning. It is the best and by the way, if you want to get really fancy, you can dust some of it on your like almond butter toast or something like that. It's so good. And then a couple other things I'm loving at night I do a little a Gua Shua situation. And that has been really fun for me because it's really meditative. And it you know, it just makes me feel like I'm doing something for my my my looks to look good the next day. There's apparently a lot of science behind it. But at least it still feels really good. It feels like a massage in my face. And I really love it. And especially at the end of the night when I'm when it's tempting to like grab your phone, I can't grab my phone and Gua Shau, I'm not a drummer, I don't I can't have like one hand doing one thing and one hand doing another. So you have to like have your eyes closed and you ... yourself.I am loving my red light therapy. I actually turn it on while I'm doing my morning pages. And so that has been really fun just to kind of double up because you're like, "How do you do all these things?" Well, I have my red light therapy while I'm doing my morning pages. And then I also and loving my greens juice in the morning. It is been really awesome. It feels really good. It's an instant 12 ounces of water for like kickstarts a day. And I'm really loving Brad join me on the morning walks. So those are some great things. I will say I would love to hear what your favorite short short, like bike shorts are, workout shorts, because it's hot AF here in Vegas. And so since I can't walk around in my bathing suit, I guess I could walk around my bathing suit. But that's not really comfortable. I'm just buying up the world's shortest bike shorts. Because the more of my legs that can feel the AC the better.Yeah, so those are my loves. So I again thank you for listening to the story of how I got here to the be it till you see it moments I'm taking. I want to hear what you're doing. And to these favorite things. If you like the solo episodes, or you want more you just have a topic you want me to go over? Let us know. We, this podcast is here for you. Right? It's totally here to help you. It helps me on my journey too. But it really is like for you, for your ears. We want to know and we'll have an episode with Brad as well. And if you like these, we can do them more often. Or we can drop them every quarter. You tell us we want to hear from you. And then finally I want to know how you're being it till you see it in your life. That's what I want. So tell me in the podcast and the at Instagram at the @be_it_pod and let us know so we can celebrate you. So we can celebrate you. Yeah, because the more we celebrate ourselves the easier it is for us to realize how far we frickin come. All right my loves, thank you so much for listening to this solo episode with me and until next time Be It Till You See It.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Rob Mack is back! Elle Russ chats with Robert Mack about his new book Love From The Inside Out. Rob is an ivy-league-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Executive Coach, and Author. Robert studied under the direction of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn). UPenn is the only institution in the world to offer a Masters degree in Applied Positive Psychology. Robert is one of the world's leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success. He helps individuals and organizations achieve an energizing balance of authentic personal happiness and effortless professional success, based on time-tested, face-valid, empirical data and timeless, transcendental wisdom. Robert's work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, and many others, and he has been seen on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E!, OWN, GQ, Self, Health, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour. Robert's first book, Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment, is celebrity-endorsed and critically acclaimed. It has been translated into various languages, including Chinese. Check out his new book Love From The Inside Out: Lessons and Inspiration for Loving Yourself, Your Life, and Each Other. Visit CoachRobMack.com to learn more.   SELECTED LINKS: ElleRuss.com CoachRobMack.com

To stay connected offline during my podcast hiatus, click here.   If you want to join me on any of my upcoming retreats, get all the information here.   Back by popular demand, I am back for a second conversation with Rob Mack, who is a happiness coach. We pick up right where we left off from our last conversation and delve into the practices for day-to-day life, and how to make conscious choices and shifts in how to stay aligned with your intentions and how to practice self-care to help prevent you from feeling depleted. We cover topics ranging from dealing with busy schedules, how to reframe old thought patterns that are keeping you stuck, and how to not take on the energy of those around you. We talk about the difference between operating from essence rather than energy, which means to let energy move through you, rather than from you. This mindset shift is huge when we keep finding ourselves in repeating patterns. If you are an empath or find yourself often trying to pour from an empty cup, then this is episode is for you.   To learn more about Rob: www.coachrobmack.com @robmackofficial

A celebrity happiness coach? WTF is THAT? Is it real? Is happiness even attainable?How do you go from suicidal to happy (most of the time, anyway)?! Listen in and find out!What are the most important tools you learn at a Master's Program in Positive Psychology?How do you get past self-loathing?How do you deal with stress well?How do you feel less miserable?Can you chase your misery away by achievement? Note: This is a first strategy of most of us! What drives our incessant quest for more and more achievement?What are the two kinds of unhappiness?Which tools worked best for Rob to increase happiness?What tools worked best for Dr. John for greater life satisfaction?Is it crazy to have the thought “I want to kill myself”? Or is it merely a normal reaction to an abnormal situation? How do you best relate to those type of thoughts?Join Dr. John for an entertaining and life-improving talk with Rob Mack, author, celebrity happiness coach and all-around amazing man. About Robert MackRobert is an ivy-league-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Executive Coach, and Published Author.Robert studied under the direction of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn). UPenn is the only institution in the world to offer a Master's Degree in Applied Positive Psychology.Robert is one of the world's leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success. He helps individuals and organizations achieve an energizing balance of authentic personal happiness and effortless professional success based on time-tested science and timeless spiritual wisdom.Robert's work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, and many others, and he ​has been seen on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E!, OWN, GQ, Self, Health, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour.Robert's first book, Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment, is celebrity-endorsed and critically-acclaimed. His most recent release, Love from the Inside Out: Lessons and Inspiration for Loving Yourself, Your Life, and Each Other, is a best-seller.Please remember to like, share and review. Many, many thanks for listening!If you like what you've heard at The Evolved Caveman podcast, support us by subscribing, leaving reviews on Apple podcasts. Every review helps to get the message out! Please share the podcast with friends and colleagues.Follow Dr. John Schinnerer on| Instagram | Instagram.com/@TheEvolvedCaveman| Facebook | Facebook.com/Anger.Management.Expert| Twitter | Twitter.com/@JohnSchin| LinkedIn | Linkedin.com/in/DrJohnSchinnererOr join the email list by visiting: GuideToSelf.comPlease visit our YouTube channel and remember to Like & Subscribe!https://www.youtube.com/user/jschinnererEditing/Mixing/Mastering by: Brian Donat of B/Line Studios www.BLineStudios.com

Show Notes Happiness is the greatest success. It's the greatest wisdom. It's the reason we want wisdom. It's the reason we want love. No matter what you want, you really want this feeling that we call happiness. That is really a deep sense of content and fulfillment or peaceful aliveness.    Progress Paradox by George Easterbrook: Despite technological advancements that let people live a longer life, even higher quality of life, or even a healthier life, people were actually feeling less happy as a result of it. We probably struggle as much as we ever have to feel truly and genuinely connected to other people to ourselves. We experience a lot of cognitive overload.   Our brain is literally wired for negativity and confirmation bias and a number of other biases that make survival much more likely. 50% of our happiness is attributable to genetics but it's changeable.   Deviating from Happiness: Happiness is actually our natural state. Overthinking, overanalyzing, perfectionism can be great for business but terrible for your personal life and subjective wellbeing. It's terrible for happiness, peace and even self-love.    Recognize that divine discontent is pointing you to a better direction, in a direction that would make you happier in some way or the other.   A much more likely outcome from even the most challenging or disruptive forms of adversity or even trauma is actually post-traumatic growth. Most people grow from adversity and challenges. They grow even when they don't wanna grow, even when they think they can't grow.   .• Adversity always causes us to stop, slow down and reprioritize. It also  weeds out relationships that are weak or not the healthiest and it strengthens the ones that are right. It helps us pay attention to gaining deeper wisdom around what our life is for, what's it about, and where true happiness lies and where it doesn't.   Happiness does lead to health. Happy people are actually a lot more responsible with respect to health such as taking healthy behaviors.   Happiness is not in the world. It's in you. It's not in the past, in the future; it's in the present and in the presence itself.   Four big steps to cultivate innate happines: Our happiness journey is mostly about happy activities or happy actions. Create a list of things, places, activities that make you feel energized, inspired, alive, and encouraged. Reduce the time energy that you invest inunhealth unhealthy, toxic relationships and create some boundaries. Set happiness as your state of mind.  Entertain thoughts based on whether or not they're true and constructive. Don't overthink.   32:19 Flow State: One way to describe happiness. In flow state, you're perfectly present and you are not living from the mind, but from a deeper place.   How to cultivate the ‘being': Just begin to notice when you're perfectly at peace or feeling happy how quiet your mind is. Practice micro meditation. Enjoy your breath.   Most of us overlook the simple things. It's the simple things that are always most powerful and profound.   Rob's Best Medicine: Happiness. 

What is ‘self love,” and aren't we supposed to love ourselves for who we truly are?? In today's world, loving yourself can be harder than ever. It seems like every man, woman, and occasional child has found some sort of new filter. How are us normal people supposed to compete? And how far do we take the lies to get ahead on social media and dating apps? Today we're asking where do you draw the line between self love, and self promotion?   Our guest, Robert Mack, a positive psychology expert, celebrity happiness coach, executive coach, and author, is here to teach us lessons and inspiration for loving ourselves, our lives, and each other.   Get some love in with Rob: @robmackofficial https://www.coachrobmack.com/ Buy his new book: Love From the Inside Out   This episode is sponsored by Noom. Start building better habits for healthier, long-term results. Sign up for your trial at Noom.com/Bleav.   Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and Rob: Host Socials - @jenifergolden, @laurenleonelli, @foreversevors, @complicatedshow Shop our store - https://www.amazon.com/shop/complicatedshow Support - https://www.patreon.com/itscomplicated

A sunshine filled conversation with LL and Brad, chatting about everything from Brad's cactuses to finding the people that make lift your soul. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Brad's cactuses showFinding the things that create alignment for you Pursuing excellence through using your gifts What to do when the elevator breaks downEpisode References/Links:Level up MVMTThe WeLLthy Mindset  OPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the fabulous convo I had with Brittaney Delsarte Chatman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. (Brad: Come back and join us.) Alright, Erika Quest and LL that's me are like about to just like go on tour but at home.Brad Crowell 1:11  I was like, "Are you?" (Lesley: No) I got really excited. (Lesley: So, I...) And look, "Really? Wow!"Lesley Logan 1:14  I know. I know. Well... (Brad: Tell me more.) Someday, I mean, so we we have stage names. She is awareness. And I am Lady Gaga. (Brad: Oh, yes.) And we're gonna go on tour. But actually, every year since last year, so this is our second one, we've decided to make an annual thing. We created a month long program that is called The WeLLthy Mindset. So with Erika, LL, so WeLLthy - W e L L t h y. I've already sweet about that. I think it's really creative. And I mean, we're real...Brad Crowell 1:44  Me too, Babe. I think it's so creative. (Lesley: I'm really proud of it. So,) I'm really proud of you. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 1:46  So last year, we did it and it was super awesome. We had almost 50 people in a group for four weeks. (Brad: Yeah) And this year we're ...Brad Crowell 1:54  It was, it was impactful. We got, I got, I heard the feedback from people, they were really fired up about it.Lesley Logan 1:59  I know so that we're doing another one. It's From Failure to Flow. So we've (Brad: Cool) got four pillars on that one, which is like character, construct, um ... courage and consistency. So it's you know, how about a consistency and so what happens is like, each week, one of us teaches a movement practice around that and the other one teaches a business thing around it and so it is really about like moving your body, shifting your mindset and growing your business all in four weeks and so we're doing that you can go to levelupmvmt.com for that. And also but before that (Brad: Before that.) before, but before we can go from failure to flow, I'm I am going to appear on Level Up MVMT for the first time. (Brad: Oh, cool.) I have a ClasterMind. (Brad: Oh, yes, you do.) I mean, obviously if we have Wellthy spelled with two l's, no "a" then we have, we have to have a ClasterMind.Brad Crowell 2:52  And that, that is two l's, too. (Lesley: I don't know. I think it's ...) C l l a s t e... (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 2:58  Well, no, no, no. She does ClasterMind with other people. This is my first time. It's a my talk less teach more workshops. So it's basically really helping, it's for teachers to help their like their themselves and their clients have more autonomy in the method and also like, ditching burnout. I think a lot of times people are talking too much when they teach. And then we wonder why clients are not paying attention to what we said. (Lesley laughs) Because you're talking too much. So anyways, both those things can be found on levelupmvmt, which is mvmt.com. The ClasterMind is on the 27th of March, and then The Wellthy Mindset will be in April. If you're curious about the other Wellthy Mindset, you can actually buy that as an evergreen product. The ...Brad Crowell 3:42  The first one (Lesley: Yeah) from last year. And what was that one?Lesley Logan 3:46  We did, you know, it was a year ago. So, I'm being put on the spot. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Oops.) But I we actually did a lot on imposter syndrome and your money mindset niche, finding your niche and and it was just a really, really cool four weeks where we got these women from all over the world to truly own their business. And one woman took action right away as soon as we said things and she got like articles, clients like it was really awesome. So you know, these are these are very much actionable steps that we're giving people in these things. And so yeah, you can get that one on the, on the Level Up MVMT already.Brad Crowell 4:30  Yeah, so I just pulled it up - Stay accountable and your movement and Pilates practice. Discover, determined and define, deliver your movement and business goals. And then measure and mobilize your mindset.Lesley Logan 4:40  Yeah, yeah, I know we are ... (Brad: That was the one.) We love alliteration.Brad Crowell 4:44  Ah. I couldn't tell. (Lesley and Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 4:47  Anyways, Erika Quest is amazing. And I'm so excited to be over at Level Up MVMT on March 27. And then also for The Wellthy Mindset to start to really spend some time in a really awesome container with some epic people. (Brad: Yeah) Okay, so here's the deal.Brad Crowell 5:02  You get to ask this question.Lesley Logan 5:04  I know. Um, I've been stalling on asking those questions but (Brad laughs) we haven't getting sent. We, I mean, me, but therefore, Brad, so people are DMing me to show these things to Brad. And it's like, TikTok videos about this guy like who's got his plants like, "This is Julie, this is Anna." And then there was another one where people are naming stuff. Oh, a woman has a cactus named Alloy and ...Brad Crowell 5:27  Oh, and guess who sent me that? (Lesley: Who?) Erika Quest.Lesley Logan 5:31  Erika Quest. (Brad laughs) Yes. And so funny. That so funny ...Brad Crowell 5:35  I just watched it this morning. (Lesley: Yeah) It's really hilarious.Lesley Logan 5:38  That one Alloy has a unicorn and a house in this whole thing. (Brad: Yeah) And so ...Brad Crowell 5:41  He's got like a vacation trailer everything.Lesley Logan 5:44  Yeah. So basically, after I got the TikTok with the guy who names the succulents, they asked me, "Does Brad name his cactuses?" So Brad, why don't you give people an update on your cactus garden? (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 5:58  Yeah, so this is Brad's cactus show. (Lesley: wooot) I'm so excited. We have planted three cuttings of of a Saguaro, an Argentine Saguaro that fell over in our neighborhood. And we had to cure them for like months before putting them in the ground. And they are now settled in the ground, settling them in the ground took a week. It was like a whole process. Every day I was out there with like, the right tool and like I'm effectively sifting the dirt so that they don't get blown over and the wind because, you know, there's no braces on them or anything, (Lesley: No) you know,Lesley Logan 6:33  And also, like, not even a week later, we had like, 45 miles an hour wind ... It was insane.Brad Crowell 6:37  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I had, you know, batten down the hatches as it were. But (Lesley: They stayed up. They're straight.) Yeah, they're still there. And the ...Lesley Logan 6:49  When do we know if they're doing anything, like when do we know if it's working?Brad Crowell 6:52  Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: We don't know.) Yeah. (Lesley and Brad laughs) So apparently, the Argentine Saguaros can grow up to 12 inches a year, so they won't put down roots. We're not allowed to even water them until like June. (Lesley: What?) Yeah, no, they go in the ground and then you don't water them for like another four months.Lesley Logan 7:12  How do cactuses live? (Brad laughs) I don't understand. I don't understand, I thought they're like cucumbers. And then I need to drink more water to be a cucumber. Anyways, okay.Brad Crowell 7:21  So so then then basically, we'll be able to start watering it, the summer, them this summer, and and then we will really start to see you know, it should be relatively dramatic within a year. We're gonna go, "Holy cow, that's clearly taller."Lesley Logan 7:38  So they're either going to grow or they're not going to grow and that how (Brad: Yeah) well, know. Apparently this... (Brad: Yeah) Okay. So anyway, stay tuned, but we've got three ...Brad Crowell 7:42  No, I have more news. (Lesley: Oh. Tell us more.) Yeah. Guess what? Our purple pancake cactus which you love the one out front by our mailbox? (Lesley: Yeah. The mailman almost kicked it over.) Has like six little buds on it right now.Lesley Logan 7:58  Oh cuz, oh my gosh, you guys.Brad Crowell 7:59  It's about some like, "boom."Lesley Logan 8:01  Okay, you guys. We are like, we are like days away from springtime, real spring. We're in third winter (Brad: Yeah) here in Las Vegas. Well as a time of this recording, but we're probably it currently as you listens in springtime. So watch my stories, because I'm going to be putting up pictures of our cactus flowers all day every day, because they only like bloom for a little bit. And then they stopped but like, I'm really excited for this purple pancake because I love the purple pancake ...Brad Crowell 8:29  Yeah, it's really beautiful. And we have a beaver tail in the backyard that's also growing, which is also purple and green. That one's really fun. (Lesley: Yeah) And then ...Lesley Logan 8:37  Oh my cupcake is growing.Brad Crowell 8:39  Yeah, the cupcake is getting larger.Lesley Logan 8:41  She's got little things. I think she's gonna have some babies on me. I'm really excited about her.Brad Crowell 8:45  Yeah, and then we have we have an unidentified five foot tall cactus. It's now five and a half foot tall. I don't know what kind of column cactus it is. It's like could be an apple cactus, but I don't think it is. It's you (Lesley: What?) know... Yeah. (Lesley: You don't know what is this cactus is?) It's not quite a pipe organ cactus. No, I can't figure out what it is. Anyway, that one has four, 1 2 3 4, 5 new arms are growing on it. So, (Lesley: Yeah) y'all are gonna see them if you're here with us on the the retreats that we do. (Lesley: Yeah) Profitable Pilates retreat. (Lesley: Yeah) And I'm very excited. And I keep chasing the dogs. They decided that the cactus garden is the obstacle course. (Lesley: Yeah) And they literally run through them. I'm like, "This is, a) you're gonna mess up my cactus, b) I'm gonna have to take a thousand fucking needles out of you. Stop running through the cactus." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 9:36  Oh I found a needle in August's head, remember? I was like (Brad: Oh, yeah, right ...) Yeah. (Brad: Oh yeah) I was like, "Oh, my God. I just pulled the cactus thing." Anyways. (Brad: Okay) Alright, well, thank you for asking ...Brad Crowell 9:45  Alright, well, I could talk about them forever. Thanks for asking.Lesley Logan 9:48  If your cactus, if you would like to have a segment of the show to be about cactuses. Let us know. Brad Crowell 9:53  Yeah, I just bought some century plants. Ooohh.Lesley Logan 9:56  Oh my goodness. (Brad: Trouble, trouble.) Okay, well, let's talk about Brittaney Chatman. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 10:01  Okay. All right. Now let's talk about Brittaney Chatman. A girl full of sunshine, spirit and soul. Brittaney Chatman has a wealth of knowledge in journalism and marketing to now has and she shifted into producing her own music. She is awesome blossom, constantly evolving and bringing her own dreams to fruition. So, I definitely love the two of you kick in these different ideas back and forth. (Lesley: Yeah) You were digging a lot of of gold out of what the two of you were chatting about.Lesley Logan 10:37  Just call me a gold digger over here. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Well, here's what I love that she said, "When you are happy that means you're you're doing things that are in alignment with you." And I actually think like ... my dog is letting me know that he is over this. So sorry. But I actually back to what is happiness? I'm in alignment August. I don't know about you. (Brad laughs) Um, I actually, I think a lot. I mean, we had Rob Mack on about, about like happiness islands and finding where your happiness is. And I actually think that it's she's 100% on point, like, when you are happy, you are doing something that's alignment with you. And so if you're unhappy, it means you're probably out of alignment. And so ... (Brad: That's episode three.) Yeah, so she enjoys the process of making a song and it's healing for her. And so you know, you don't have to be a singer songwriter, you could be a knitter, you could be a cactus gardener, you can like ... (Brad: She actually described it as poetry.) Yeah. And so you know, it's like, finding if we're in the, we're in this workshop called The Artist's Way, right now. And like, one of the things to do is go in the artist's states, if you don't know, it's like, making you happy. If you're not feeling, you're in alignment, it's time to go do a bunch of different things and see what happens. (Brad: Yeah) And so you know, she took action. And we as we know, it's the antidote to fear and something blossomed from it. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) I'm really proud of myself for figuring out. (Lesley and Brad laughs) What did you love? Brad Crowell 12:08  Alright, so she said, she said, "Use your gifts to fulfill you first to pursue excellence." (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And I mean, that's like, totally everything we talked about with OPC, you know, prioritizing yourself, making sure you get your own practice in. And when you fill your cup first, then you can actually be there to fill others. And I thought that was interesting that she talked about using your gifts to fulfill you first. You know, as, obviously, we talked about it with movement. You know, but you know, I think it forces you to know yourself, if you're using your gifts to fulfill yourself first. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) You know, and I think it kind of goes hand in hand with the, you know, if you're happy, then you're doing something that's in alignment with you, like, you know, when you are, when you identify your gifts, they come easy. You know, (Lesley: Yeah) that stuff comes easy to you.Lesley Logan 13:06  Well, it makes me think of like, when you looked at StrengthsFinder 2.0 and you took a quiz. And then you like saw, "These are your strengths." And you're like, "Oh, (Brad: Right) those are the things that I actually do over here and over here." And then all of a sudden, you stop seeing some of those things as like, weird things that you did or like, "Why am I doing this?" And you start realize, like, "Oh, this is like the thing that like, I'm actually really good at." And like, then other things flow to you.Brad Crowell 13:29  Yeah. Well, the, I think that I knew that I was good at them. But I didn't know what they were. I didn't know what I was doing. Right? So like, I knew that I was like, the guy who organized the band. And like, you know, I don't know, we booked gigs. And we played and got people there or whatever. But I didn't know that I was strategic. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? So like, I didn't know that that was actually my my skill. And that skill of strategy could be applied outside of a band setting. You know, and so actually, I think this is a great pivot into into promoting StrengthsFinder 2.0. (Lesley: I know.) Go figure out your top five strengths because all of a sudden, everything that you're doing in your life today right now and and you know that you're you kind of innately know, "Yeah, this is who I am. I'm good at this thing." But you can't like tangibly put you know a name to it. Changed my life when I could do that.Lesley Logan 14:26  Yeah, yeah. So I agree and I think that's going to kind of help you help help, anyone listening to this who does that help you really start to understand yourself more and like the more we know ourselves, the easier it is to do things and Be It Till You See It that just like gonna put that out there. (Brad: Absolutely) Okay, BE IT action items, Babe. Let's go. All yours. Brad Crowell 14:44  All right. Let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action was can we take away from your convo? She said, Brittaney said, "If the elevator stops, just get off and take the stairs." And ...Lesley Logan 14:45  Yeah. I love it. (Brad: I thought it was pretty ...) It's like, why wait for an elevator to get fixed? You know what I mean? Like, people do this all the time. They're like, "Oh, well, when this gets fixed, then I'll do it." It's like, well, you could just like ...Brad Crowell 15:09  Or "When this happens then I'll do it," (Lesley: Mm-hmm) or "I'm waiting for someone else," (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) you know. And yeah, I mean, you know, the, I think that it's a fascinating idea of stick to itness. You know, like, like the idea of tenacity, you know, being willing to, (Lesley: Well ...) well, what we were just talking about this in our last recap of like, what is the fear? What is the hurdle and getting up over that hurdle? And this ties directly into that were (Lesley: Totally) you know, if the elevator stops, and this is like your path, you're you're riding the elevator, and then like, "It only hit like, floor 15. But we're supposed to go to floor 30. Now, what am I going to do?" You got to come up with another way to ... to get the floor 30. You could still take the stairs.Lesley Logan 15:57  Yeah, like Everything is Figureoutable. It's Marie Forleo. But like, truly it is and, and so it's okay to give up on the the original plan to get to the place, but (Brad: Yeah) don't give up on the dream that you, that puts you on that journey anyways. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. (Brads: Love that. What about you?) Well, of course, surround yourself with the people to lift you up. So (Brad: Yeah) here's the deal, y'all. (Brad: Y'all) You gotta stop like, you got to be mindful of who you spend your time with. Like, I was at Tim Ferriss who said this or does he just keep quoting it? "You are the average of the five of the people you hang out with the most." Right? So if you hang out with a bunch of negative people you're of course going to be on the negative side. Right? So really, like think about lifting yourself up with other people. And I asked this question, I think it was on a podcast, it's coming out. But like, literally, it's like, "Well, what if you only have negative people in your life? Like what do you do?" And it's like, (Brad: Right) listen to podcasts that lift you up. (Brad: Yeah) Consume books that lift you up. So surround yourself with like, was it Hazel Ortega, who said that like J. Lo was one of her mentors. Like just like, (Brad: Right) "I don't actually have..." (Brad: She doesn't know J. Lo.) She doesn't know J. Lo, but like she ... (Brad: "She's my mentor.") She's her mentor. So like, like, literally find a way to surround yourself with people who lift you up whether those people know that you are using them or not. (Brad: Yeah) Because it's going to truly make it easier for you to do things in your world.Brad Crowell 17:26  Absolutely.Lesley Logan 17:26  Well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 17:28  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 17:29  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you are here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod on Instagram. Share this episode with friends like we are truly wanting to get into more people's ears because the more people are being it until they see it, the easier it is for all of us (Brad: Yeah) to be it till we see it.Brad Crowell 17:45  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 17:48  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 18:21  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 18:32  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 18:36  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 18:45  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Have you started thinking about goal setting for 2022? With Lesley's glittery snow globe, Brad and LL chat about New Year's goals, the misconception about giving, and how to grow into a mindset of authenticity. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:A mindset for goal making in 2022Finding charities you are passionate aboutThe misconception about giving Being unapologetically authenticEpisode References/Links:New Scheduling toolOPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.(Brad laughs) Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the uplifting convo I had with Marcia Agius in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. If you're watching on the YouTube, I have a new so... snow globe and it's big red lips with gold glitter everyone and I've been starting every podcasts. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 1:14  I thought it was gonna, I thought it was just like a thi... Like, you said it when we were recording before and I was like, "Haha, okay." She said, she said, "This is going to be on every episode moving forward." I was like, "Right, whatever." Well, it continues to come back.Lesley Logan 1:30  Yes. Yes, it does. And it's really fun and I shake it. So it's got the gold glitter all over my red lips. Anyways. Okay, so (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 1:38  All right, before we get started.Lesley Logan 1:40  We are still on the road. (Brad: Yeah) So we are actually recording this before we hit the road. And so what I can tell you is at this moment in time, we are probably hanging out with Brad's fabulous family and doing some sort of Pollyanna situation and getting ready to get back out on the road again for a couple pop ups. So if you want to see us in real life, and you live in the States to go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour. And then you can see where we are in and get tickets, where we are. What else do we have quick announcements, my love?Brad Crowell 2:10  Two the things and then we have a just something special we wanted to say. But the scheduling tool for Profitable Pilates, if you run a fitness business, or you know Pilates or any other kind of fitness business, we are partnering with a software company that's making a Profitable Pilates scheduling tool. For us, it's so exciting.Lesley Logan 2:35  I wanted to do this for years.Brad Crowell 2:37  Years. We... I mean, everyone asks us, "What is the best one, all the things?" Well, I'll tell you, ours is the best one. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. And here's why because (Lesley: I'm coaching on it.) Yeah, you're coaching on it. But also every thing that we couldn't do with other scheduling tools we changed three times before we found one that was actually more simple than all the rest and has nothing to do with other things that we needed to do. And so that was like a weird, like, "Okay, this will do for us." (Lesley laughs) Well, we were like, "This isn't, this isn't good enough." (Lesley: Yeah) There's a better way (Lesley: Yeah) and we found that better way. And that's what's coming to you. (Lesley: Yeah) So if you want to get on the list, go to profitablepilates.com/scheduling. (Lesley: Yeah) And you will see a waitlist there. We will be telling you more about it in January.Lesley Logan 3:20  And also happening in January is Agency Mini number six is our mini coaching program. We... (Brad: Agency Mini number six.) I know, actually Agency turns four in January. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, we I mean, we've been, I've been doing coaching for fitness instructor since 2013, actually technically 2009. But I started the company in 2013. And so Agency Mini is we definitely limit how many people can be in it. So you want to go on the waitlist because you also get the best deals and you get early action to sign up. You'll go to profitablepilates.com/mini - it's M I N I.Brad Crowell 3:53  Yeah. And our special thing we wanted to say is "Happy holidays." (Lesley: Happy holiday.) I know it's two days till Christmas at this point. You know, there's Hanukkah happening. There's ...Lesley Logan 4:06  No, Hanukkah happened a couple weeks ago. (Brad: Yeah, happened.) (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 4:10  You know, there's all the things. (Lesley: Yeah) And basically, we just wanted to say, we're excited that you (Lesley: Yeah) get to spend time with your friends and families. Hopefully you do that. And you know, that's what we're looking forward to do over the next few days, (Lesley: Yeah) as well.Lesley Logan 4:24  Well, yeah. So, Happy Holidays. Okay. After that, what is our audience question this week?Brad Crowell 4:30  Yeah. So this one fit right along with last week. We just kind of chopped it in two. (Lesley: Yeah) "When and how do you plan your goals for 2022?"Lesley Logan 4:39  Yeah, we don't do resolutions. We do do goals. (Brad: Yeah) And we don't try to do all of them in January, because that's not how things work. (Brad: Yeah, that doesn't really work.) So, I'm really big on figuring out when you want something done by and then working backwards. That's that's how I do goals. So if there's something that I want to have done by the end of 2022, actually look at, when in 2022, things are going to have to happen so that it all leads up to being done. (Lesley laughs) So that's how I mean, that's how I do it. So I mean, do you do it differently than that?Brad Crowell 5:15  Yeah, I do. (Lesley laughs) I definitely do. Let's, which I find ironic, because I'm usually the process guy, right? (Lesley: I know. I hate process.) And so you just map that out for me, which I thought was really funny. But that's not really how I think about goals. Like, I know that goals are, like business goals, or whatever. But I was thinking more personal goals, like, you know, do I want to speak another language? (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) Do I want to change my morning routine? You know, the, you know, like ...Lesley Logan 5:42  I mean, I said those whenever they come up. I don't make that like, end of the year thing.Brad Crowell 5:49  Yeah, but I mean, okay, cool. So like, you know, but but for us moving was a goal. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, actually didn't know it was gonna happen as soon as it did. But that was something that was on our list. SoLesley Logan 6:01  I mean, I worked backwards from that. I think we're moving by June 1st. And I was like, that means you got to be doing this by this date. (Brad laughs) And this by this day. (Brad: Right) You might have not been on that process. Brad Crowell 6:07  I think that's also why I wasn't quite ... (Lesley laughs) you know like, like, had a fire lit under me, because I don't, that's not how I think about. (Lesley: I know) I'm like, "This is something that I want to do at some point (Lesley: Yeah) in the near future," which is actually not how you're supposed to set goals. (Lesley: No, no) You're supposed to put a date with it.Lesley Logan 6:22  Can you hear the rebel and the four tendencies in him? (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 6:25  It might be nice if maybe we could possibly, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, do this thing.Lesley Logan 6:30  I'm like, "When do you want to do it buy. (Brad laughs) Okay, that means we have to do this and this and this." Like, I am on this stuff. (Brad: Yeah) So anyways, I mean, we definitely at the beginning of the year do write things down of what we are intentionally trying to do. But again, it's not a resolution. So I'm, I feel like you're allowed to make new goals whenever they come to you. And you just have to have a buy win date, and then work backwards. Or you can work forwards if you prefer process that way. But I find backwards is easier because it's like a maze. So, I would always go to the finish point on a maze. And then I would work backwards all the way and (Brad: You would?) get start. Yes, I did. And my dad would go, "That's cheating." And I said, "I think it's brilliant." I've (Brad laughs) finished every maze. And, I remember being in a corn maze with my friends and getting so frustrated because, like we kept getting lost. And I was like, "If we could have just been dropped off at the finish point. I could have found us our way out." (Brad laughs) So anyways, um, that's... yeah,Brad Crowell 7:29  I never knew about you. (Lesley: Learn something new) Yeah.Lesley Logan 7:31  I know. Married six years. Look at that.Brad Crowell 7:33  That's amazing.Lesley Logan 7:34  Okay, so let's get into it.Brad Crowell 7:37  There's also one of the things I didn't know, (Lesley: Oh) that that you talked about in the interview with with Marcia. So, I will, I will tell you. (Lesley: Oh, okay.) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley laughs) Oh, actually, one last thing. This is the first year we're not going to do our rare tradition that we actually hold to. Every year on January 1st, we usually just tear our entire apartment apart. (Lesley: Yeah) Look at every single thing that we own. And then get rid of a lot of it if we can (Lesley: Yeah) stuff that we never use, never touch. But (a) we don't live in a 500 square foot apartment anymore, where we can literally see everything.Lesley Logan 8:12  Yeah, no, we gotta definitely go room by room at this point. So we have to schedule that definitely.Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah. And ... (Lesley: And we're gonna be with Sue and Steven.) Yeah, we're gonna be down in Miami. We're doing New Year's in Miami.Lesley Logan 8:24  Ah, I'm so excited, I have the best outfit for it. (Brad laughs) I really do.Brad Crowell 8:28  Yeah. So, okay. Now let's talk about Marcia Agius. (Lesley: Yeah) With a spirit of giving and a passion for the people, Marcia Agius, is a community leader fighting to uplift and highlight the strengths women have within. From a hockey mom to the creator of ins... @_inspirealways on Instagram with an underscore before. Marcia is trailblazing a new mindset of giving and a community of posi... positivity. (Lesley: Yeah) And joy, to be honest.Lesley Logan 8:57  I know. She's so sweet. And she's like, seriously, so giving. She like, turn... she suggested me for some magazine that Laila Ali was on the first cover of I mean, it was I know. (Brad: Wow) I know. Yeah. So, I should have had that in my things. It's like "Ask Us Beauty," I think is what it's called. So anyways, that ...Brad Crowell 9:19  Well, she she was just so fun to listen to, because she's very excited about (Lesley: Yeah) what she's doing.Lesley Logan 9:25  Yeah, she's she's so passionate what she's doing. She's also like, like, she's just being it till she sees that she's like, "I don't even know what I'm gonna see. Well, I'm just being the thing," (Lesley laughs) and she's like, going for it. I love it so much. So, but one of the, she talked about many things that are really amazing. One of the things that I loved that she talked about is, "Finding charities you're passionate about." And the reason I love this is I think it can get really overwhelming when you're someone who's a giving person or caring person. There's all the stuff going on the world like especially right now like literally every time you turn around there is a group of people that you need support, there is the world's on fire, the world's hot. There's all these things that are happening. There's, if you're in the States, there's like laws that you're like, "What in the frickin' world?" And so it's just ... and then I've talked to our friends in Australia and they've got their own stuff. So it can feel overwhelming. And you're like, "Where do I give my time? Where do I get my money to?" And, I think it's really freeing to be okay with just going and looking up charities that you're actually passionate about, and, and supporting in the way that you can. She talked about the different ways you can support is not always money. And I found that to just be like, that's something that you can do right now. And you can feel really good about yourself.Brad Crowell 10:40  Yeah. And, I think it's also something that we've been working on with (Lesley: Yeah) OPC. And with Profitable Pilates, (Lesley Yeah) which, you know, like, what, what should those? What charities should those businesses support? (Lesley: Yeah) And what is important to us? (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, when we, when we first started, there was, we were getting to know, the homeless population near where we lived in Los Angeles. And so it was important for us to feed them. (Lesley: Yeah) And so we were looking at charities about that (Lesley: Yeah) Then, you know, we've shifted, having moved here to Vegas with Profitable Pilates. We've been supporting a business that's helping women in need, who end up in the, basically the sex industry here, (Lesley: Mm-hmm) or anywhere, really, (Lesley: Yeah, anywhere) but, but but there's the organizations based here.Lesley Logan 11:37  They're here, and they're in Portland, and they're working on becoming across the US. And it's like, what... the reason why I picked it for Profitable Pilates is that every single of those woman, women is like a business owner in her own way. And if they and a lot of times they are pimped out and they don't even know it, but they have a hard time getting out of it. And I know, if you feel like you can't take, maybe you have an idea for something but you can't get there because you're stuck where you are like I love this charity helps these women get out when they want to. And there's there's no judgment around it. And it's really ...Brad Crowell 12:09  And they do it by, they do it by building relationships.Lesley Logan 12:13  Yes, yes. Yes. It's so it's just something that I'm I'm, I think it's really cool. So, I that's what we did with Profitable Pilates. We're actually still trying to figure out where I'm running out of dates, we got to figure out the charity for OPC that we're choosing. But the reason why we're still working on that is because we're trying really hard to find one that is in more international climate change, focused charity, because our OPC members are all over the world. And that is something we can share in together. And I think they'd be really excited about. So (Brad: Yeah) anyways, I just say that because again, I think you can feel like, "Oh my God, I have to give all these people need something." And it's like, if we all were to focus on the ones we're passionate about, then we can actually probably make some change in those areas.Brad Crowell 12:57  The... Well, you mentioned it before, I was gonna say that the truth of giving money being the way we give back it's a, it's an, it's a challenging misconception, I think, because that's what we, "Oh, I have to give money." But that's not an option for everyone. Right? And that's also not the only way to give back. I know that, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) time, is something I grew up in the church. And so we gave a lot of time, and a lot of community service to different, whatever was going on in our local town, whatever needed help. But, you know, yes, there was monetary contributions, too. But the acts of service was really pushed and giving your time. So, if money isn't an option, then you know, giving "time" can be really helpful or helping someone out, you know, lend... lending (Lesley: Yeah) something to them, whatever. (Lesley: Yeah) That's also, you know, an act of charity and giving. Lesley Logan 13:59  I know. And like doing that locally, because you can really make big change if you're doing things that are more local. So, she actually brought that up. I think you really, you mentioned you really loved that she talked about the different ways of giving. So so I really, I really thought it was very helpful.Brad Crowell 14:16  Yeah. Okay, finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Marcia Agius? Lesley Logan 14:28  Why don't you go first?Brad Crowell 14:29  Okay, so she said three really powerful ones at the end. And, I picked the middle one or no, I pick the last one she said, "Be unapologetically authentic."Lesley Logan 14:40  Yeah, that's big ...Brad Crowell 14:42  Yeah, I also ... (Lesley: Bold. It's so bold.) It's very bold. It's also like really hard. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and I ...Lesley Logan 14:49  We're all part of society and we're all wondering who's going or people gonna like me. If I'm unapolo... apologetically authentic. What if no one likes me?Brad Crowell 14:57  Yeah, but I think that what does that even mean? (Lesley: I don't know) Right. So what is.. what does unapologetically authentic mean?Lesley Logan 15:03  Oh, what it does mean? Oh, it just means that you don't apologize for being your freakin' self.Brad Crowell 15:08  Yeah, but I think that's so challenging. I think ...Lesley Logan 15:10  If you don't ... you don't like, like, like, smooth out your edges, you know? Because like, we all have some rough edges.Brad Crowell 15:18  But I think even that is challenging because that means you have to know yourself.Lesley Logan 15:24  Oh. (Brad: You know, and ... ) Yeah and also that part, I find less challenging. I find more challenging the unapologetically aunthentic. (Lesley laughs) I have no problem, I have problem being authentic. But sometimes I'm like, "Oh, maybe I should apologize because that maybe that was too direct." (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 15:39  Well, the the thing that I grew up in this world of expectations, here's how you act at this place. This is what you do here. Here's the you know, this these lot of expectations. And, you know, you were, we were talking about this. Actually, I think you were talking about this with Marcia. But basically, you know, how do you like, it comes across as bragging when you're proud of yourself? (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And so that that's a, I think that's a pretty obvious example, that where we like push ourselves down and be like, "Oh, you know, I know I did good, but I can't like, you know, I can't, I can't shout it from the rooftops," kind of thing, because that wouldn't be right (Lesley: Yeah) to do. And that's, you know, that's kind of the world that I come from. And so it was really hard for me to celebrate wins (Lesley: Yeah) about myself because, you know, even though I knew like, "I should be so happy." You are happy for like two seconds, and then you just like, "Look, okay, that's enough," (Lesley: Yeah) you know. And I, so I think being a, you know, unapologeti... unapologetically authentic is really something (Lesley: Bold) you can grow into.Lesley Logan 16:54  Yeah, it was that thank you for saying that. You read my mind because I was like, what if you just like found kind of like the Rob Mack's idea of like, an unapologetically authentic island where you can like feel really, you can do that. And then like, do that there and when that island feels bigger and more secure, and, and everything it can kind of like, maybe you move it over to this little section of your life and move it over here. Like it's ... not I can go from zero to, you know, 100 in one day, like, that's gonna be a lot of changes. Maybe if you especially if you haven't been been yourself. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 17:27  Yeah, and also, don't beat yourself up, you know.Lesley Logan 17:29  Oh, my God, please don't at (Brad: Yeah) all cuz that's not, that's not okay. No one that, you would never let a friend do that. So don't let yourself do that.Brad Crowell 17:38  Yeah. Okay. So, what about you?Lesley Logan 17:40  Step so far out of your comfort zone, you forget how to get back. I mean, come on. (Brad laughs) So you think ...Brad Crowell 17:45  That was the first thing she said. And I was like, "Did you write that?" Like, how ... impressed ... (Lesley: She lives that. That's how she lives.) It's so impressive.Lesley Logan 17:53  She, she she did that for her Inspire Always. I mean, she just like steps so far out. She's like, "Okay, I'm gonna do it." And, and now she's like, "I don't even know how I wasn't doing this before." So, I really liked that because I think Amy Ledin talks about this a lot with like, if you are, if you you know, because she works with women who are changing their bodies, and she makes them throw their clothes away.Brad Crowell 18:16  Right, (Lesley: So they can't) right. There's no going back.Lesley Logan 18:18  There's no going back to that. And I think like this is also ...Brad Crowell 18:22  And that is, that there's a lot of reticence that ... I mean, that would freak me out. And that's that's a ...Lesley Logan 18:28  Well, I mean like let's talk about like when you are going to leave your job. You were trying to do it part time for them (Brad: oh, man.) and like you were I'm gonna work five hours a week for them and it's like ...Brad Crowell 18:36  That was a huge step out of any kind of comfort zone.Lesley Logan 18:40  And you and then and then they said, "No, you can't." And you were like, "Oh and I was like just don't work for them." And then like, you like, so I think sometimes some people are like, "Okay, I'm gonna do a little bit over here and I do little over here." And it's like ... (Brad: Yeah, you keep your feet in both, you know.) You're you at some point, yeah gotta just get over and like, "Burn the boats" is what Tony Robbins says. Boutta' burn the boats, so ... Brad Crowell 19:02  Yeah, um, I I think I wouldn't have done that. Had my old company not changed their decision on on me working (Lesley: on the last day.) Yeah, me working part time after I was done because I I think that there was so much hesitation and so much fear from losing all that security or what I deemed security even though it was also really stressful. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, I wouldn't have made that decision on my own but then when the, when the rug was pulled out from under me, it kind of left me with no choice. And that was like really scary. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 19:43  Yeah, but look at you now. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) So um, yeah, I just I love that. I think that is like, that should be on a frickin' office wall. That should be on a journal, that should be.Brad Crowell 19:54  Step so far out of your comfort zone, you forget how to get back. (Lesley: Yeah) Amazing.Lesley Logan 19:59  Amazing. I've chills. All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 20:02  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 20:03  Thank you so much for joining us today and every week, really. And this entire first year, it's been so wonderful. We are so grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? DM us, tag the pod, tag Marcia, and let us know. And then also send it to a friend who needs a little uplifting a little inspiration. We, that's how this podcast grows. And we couldn't be like we couldn't thank you enough if you did that. So please do and we'll catch you in the next episode.Brad Crowell 20:28  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 20:32  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 21:05  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 21:16  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 21:20  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 21:28  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Perdoso for editing all video each week so you can.Brad Crowell 21:41  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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What happens when you get clear on your vision? In today's episode Hilary Hartling and Lesley Logan swap stories about building their careers in LA and share wisdom about confidence and to how to figure out what you really want in life.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:You are a brand, even without a businessConfidence with competence and trusting yourselfClarity on your vision to create actionHow to know when to say yes or noDefining courage Following your excitement for confidenceTa-da lists Episode References/Links:IG @hilaryhartlingWebsiteMalcom Gladwell's Book BlinkGavin Becker's book: The Gift of FearGuest Bio:From a former Disney movie marketing executive to a brand and messaging strategist for entrepreneurs - Hilary Hartling helps entrepreneurs infuse meaning into their brands. She is an incredible thought leader, business women, new mom of Ruby, and the master of using Ta-Da lists for success.   OPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Hey you, welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I'm so glad that you're here. I know that there's a lot of podcasts you can press play on right now. There's also like a billion things you could be streaming right now and I, and I just I'm so glad that you pressed play on this so I can drop some gems. And actually, so our guesses we can drop so many gems. Oh my gosh, I have Hilary Hartling here and y'all, I met her through one of our other podcast guests who's my photographer, Monica Linda of Girl Squad. I'm sure you remember her and her amazing story about how she got started and how she was like, being it till she saw it, until she had this great business she has. And so, I asked her for some guests for my agency group, I said, "Hey, you knows some amazing thought leaders and business women and I would love to showcase them to my group. And she introduced me to Hilary, and I didn't even know her when we didn't never even talked to her before. She spoke to our group, actually and she's brilliant. Brilliant. And also, just so engaging. And so anyways, had her in the group and I was like, "This woman has to be on my podcast, this woman has to be my best friend, this woman. (Lesley laughs) This woman needs to be like in my I just want to be in her orbit." Right? So um, so anyways, this, there's so many so many juicy gems in this podcast, I promise you just hit save already, so that you can come back and listen to this episode whenever you want. And I really ... when you see that she is a branding specialist, branding expert, branding strategist. You might think this isn't for you if that's not what you're interested in. I promise you women. Ladies, keep listening because there's just so many life gems in here on like, how to understand what you want on this world. You know, so so I know it's easy to go, "Oh, this is one of her business ones." No, this is like life one. (Lesley laughs) And you are going to want to repeat press play again on this one. I swear it's just we went to different ... too many amazing places and it all will make sense in the end. I know it. I just I could have kept going but we like to keep these in an amount of time for commute, a dog walk, you know, a run on the on the beach, or whatever it is you're doing. So, take a listen, please do us a humungous favor, screenshot, tag Hilary Hartling, tag @be_it_pod with the gem that you're taking away from the podcast because I know it will warm her heart to see that. It will totally warm mine. And it's also how this podcast gets out there to other people. So here you go.Lesley Logan 2:39  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilate's instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic, and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 3:23  Oh my gosh, Be It listeners. I mean this woman Hilary Hartling is going to become your new best friend. She is freaking awesome. I'm looking for different reasons that we can talk every week because I just love her, her glowing smile and her like outlook on how life is done. So, I can't wait for you to hear her story. Hilary Hartling thank you for being on the Be It Till You See It podcast. Tell us who you are, what you're excited about right now?Hilary Hartling 3:49  Oh my gosh, well, first of all, thank you for having me. It's so fun to be here because like after we met, I feel like we've become instant best friends. So, it's just like two friends having a conversation, which is exactly the kind of podcasts I like to listen to. So, this is awesome. First of all, I am a former Disney movie marketing executive. I was there for 15 years working with global powerhouse entertainment brands. But now for the last five years, an entrepreneur myself starting my own business and helping other entrepreneurs, build brands that resonate. So, I'm a brand and messaging strategist for entrepreneurs and really helping them infuse meaning into their brand. Define what it stands for, power it with story, and really strengthen it with value, so they have something clear that they can go out into the world with feeling confident about it. And attract the right people so they create a dream business for themselves.Lesley Logan 4:40  Okay, love this. And I I mean, the fact that you worked at Disney, I do wonder if like you just like every office is lined with like Disney characters and princess costumes. (Lesley laughs)Hilary Hartling 4:52  It's not, it's not foreign to see that at Disney (Lesley laughs) In fact, it's what's funny is I should have kept more. But when you're there for so long, you don't think like at one point that I was friends with everybody. So like the movers on the studio lot, my BFF. They would bring me old art prints from animation of like a Tarzan painted print that I would have my office for a while, but then I was like, "Okay, I'm over that for right now." But I should have kept that.Lesley Logan 5:18  Right because that's like, you could be auctioning that stuff (Lesley laughs) (Hilary: I mean or put it in the baby's room or something. Right?) (Hilary laughs) Oh right. Put it in Ruby's room. Yeah, oh my God. Okay. So, I think for people who are listening this, they might be like, "Okay, branding, I you know, I'm not starting my business yet, or I don't I don't know, if I'm ready for branding. " I think it's easy to for people to either a get so wrapped up on branding themselves that they don't build the business or not build the business because they're not branded yet. Like, can we talk a little bit about like those scenarios? (Hilary: Yeah) Like, how does a brand like how would someone like take the next step without like, (Hilary: Yeah) perfectly being branded in a box?Hilary Hartling 5:55  Well, here's the thing, too, you are a brand, even when you don't have a business, right? Because your brand is the experience that you leave behind, right? It's how it's what people expect of you. It's how you're known. It's your reputation. And it's, you know, so thinking about it intentionally is what you want to start to do, whether you're in a career, like at corporate Disney, or whether you're starting your own business. It's really coming at it with intention to say, "Who am I?" I mean, it's a brand is having a strategy for your business. (Lesley: Yeah) So if you don't have a strategy for your business now, here's the thing. Some people might not understand that because they don't understand what brand strategy is. They think of a brand, and they think of a logo. They think of a brand. They think of their colors on Instagram. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And like, how do you navigate Canva to make it look like a brand? And that's a small, itty bitty part of it. But really, it's about what experience do you want to have your audience have? And then what are the, what's your secret sauce? Like, what's your unique brilliance that you bring to the table that nobody else does? And that's the beginning of your brand.Lesley Logan 7:03  I I love what you said, it's, it's like, how you how people feel, or how you leave people feeling as you said. Right? (Hilary: Yeah) That is, I think that's actually something it's easy to think about, like, you know, it's easy to think maybe you can't think of what you're gonna make yet or create yet, but you can think like how do I want people to feel. So, I'm about to create something, a product for people who want to take their teaching to the next level. And and I was getting, like, my team was asking me all these questions and stuff and I was like, "Hold on, I just really need to figure out how I want them to end," like when they leave it, I need to know what they who they are afterwards and then I can work backwards and they're like, like just you know, one moment. (Lesley laughs) One moment ...Hilary Hartling 7:44  Yeah. It really just starts like if you actually started with your brand and you just started with the vision for where you're headed. Right? Vision for where you're headed so you can then back out of that and say like, "What do I do need to do on a daily basis (that equals your mission). Daily basis to get me closer to that vision?"Lesley Logan 8:00  Oh my gosh, I think that is the best like that it couldn't be more be it till you see it than that right there. (Lesley laughs) What is your vision? Right? And then the mission is how you act each day to that. That is, (Hilary: Yeah) ah, that is ...Hilary Hartling 8:13  And I've done this in so many ways, in so many fashions throughout my life. The Be It Till till You See It is literally without that being my exact mantra that's how I live my ... it's how you manifest it. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) Like, I was in a job right after my undergraduate, so Bachelor's in Business. And I went worked at ad agency in Seattle. And I could not have been more bored. I was doing print media insertion orders for Boeing and Silicon Graphics International (Lesley laughs) and so I was like placing ads and like Aviation Week and Space Technology Magazine like (Lesley: Whoa) something I would never read it was like, it's so nice to have a job but I was so bored. I'm like, I'm not inspired. This is not exciting. So, what I did was I took a step back and I said, "Well, who am I? Who do I want to be? And what do I love?" Because you can market. I was in marketing advertising. You can market or advertise anything. You can brand anything. (Lesley: Yeah.) "What do you want to work on?" So I just made a list, even if it didn't make sense and movies was always the top of my list. So movies became my vision. I knew nothing about the movie business. I didn't even understand that like Touchstone Pictures belonged under the Walt Disney Studios banner, right? Like there's all these things about the movie business. But I went and got my graduate degree because the program had specific ties back to Hollywood. And I was going to do my internship there. But so what I did that entire year, I was in Boston at Emerson College, I papered my entire apartment wall in movie studio posters. (Lesley: Oh my God) Ones that inspired me. I decided I want to work for one of the major seven motion picture studios marketing department, I was that clear. I told everybody about it. Everybody knew what I wanted to do. Whenever we got to choose a project to do in school, I was always like, "I'm marketing this movie in China. I'm going to figure out how to do that." Right? I always use it as an example. The one book I read was "Work in Progress by Michael Eisner," who at that time was the CEO of Disney, I didn't even have a desire to work specifically at Disney. It was just one of the major motion picture studios. But I kept that vision, so clear, so defined. I got an internship at DreamWorks. And then two months after that a job at Disney and then I made that job my own for 15 years.Lesley Logan 10:29  This okay. My friend who's listening while walking your dogs, I hope you just heard, like literally the roadmap of being it till you see it without even that that's the thing. You we have to have that clarity, we will have to go get really granular in what that looks like. Because that becomes really tangible than you know what classes to take, or what books to read or (Hilary: Yeah) what to look up. Like, I have people who are like, "Oh, I want to be on X, Y and Z platform." I'm like, "Okay, are you a member of their thing? Do you watch their classes? Do you follow their instructors?" (Hilary: Yeah) And me like ...Hilary Hartling 11:01  Who to network with? Who to seek out? And like, find a group or some... like something like in, it this is an anything you do but especially in Hollywood. It's who you know, (Lesley: Oh yeah) to not knowing anyone going to that that market. I'm like, "How am I gonna do...? So internship was the best way to get your foot in the door. And then the whole time I was there, I was super intentional. The work I did as an intern, like as a graduate intern was not super challenging for me, (Lesley laughs) however. What I learned was how to navigate a studio, who were all the important departments, what kinds of departments I might want to work for in marketing, at a studio, right? I learned and then I made connections, and I networked and then all these people at Disney had lunch there every other day. Like, that's how you do it. It's the people that will bring you in.Lesley Logan 11:46  Yeah, you're ... you're 100% correct. I think so many times we get caught up on like, what we don't know, like, "I don't know enough. I don't know, I don't know how to do that. I don't know enough." But it really is who you know, like, (Hilary: It is) because the pe... (Hilary: You can learn anything) you can learn anything. I mean, I always tell people, if you can hire her personality, you can teach skill. Like, if you think someone is amazing, and they totally fit your vibe. You can teach them anything you need them to know. (Hilary: Yeah) But you can't ...Hilary Hartling 12:09  Yeah, my first job at the ad agency in Seattle, they literally told me on my first day, I was up against this other woman who had way more experience with me, but they liked me better.Lesley Logan 12:19  Oh, yeah. I think I've told us, either told this to you or I told on another podcast. Oh my God, Brad gets me every time because he's like, "Lesley, you talked about in podcast," and I was like, "I know," but this all happened out of order. (Hilary: Yeah) So forgive me. Um, but I, I was a commercial actor for a very short period of time in my life. And I got I booked my first audition. And it's not because I was talented at all. It's just that they liked working with me. (Hilary: Okay) They, they were talking about when I walked in, I overheard them talking about a restaurant who has the best gluten free pancakes. And I said, "I know it's lunchtime, but someone has to order the gluten free pancakes. I promise you with this on it and this on it, you're gonna love it." And they are like, "Okay, thanks." And then they're like, "Okay, do you want ...?" Like, they asked me to have my audition. I had to be a chef. I can't cook anything. And I was just like, I was just like talking and acting like I was like, I don't even know what I was doing. I was just doing stuff with my hands, and talking and making fun because I was like, "I don't know what the hell I'm doing." So anyways, (Hilary: Yeah) I got a callback, I did the callback, I actually learned how to chop something for that callback. (Hilary laughs) And I booked it. And again, they said, "Welcome to your first commercial." And I said, I said, "Thanks so much." And I was like, "I'm really excited to work with you. I've no idea what I'm doing. I think it's gonna be a lot of fun." That's why they hired me because I was a lot of fun, you know, and I did fine.Hilary Hartling 13:37  And I think it comes with the confidence, right? (Lesley: Yeah) it's it's trusting yourself that no matter what situation you're put in, you can figure it out. And that if you just bring your whole self, that's good enough.Lesley Logan 13:48  Yeah, can we talk about that for a second? Because that is what a lot of I know a lot of listeners, they asked me about my confidence all the time. And as you just heard in this story "I don't know what I'm doing," but I do trust that I know that I can have fun, I can talk with anyone like those are things. How does one trust that? I think maybe it's a lack of self awareness, I'm sure. Or maybe it's just that people aren't giving themselves credit. But do you what I mean, (Hilary: Yeah) how so (Hilary: Yeah) many women don't have that confidence in themselves to like, figure it out?Hilary Hartling 14:15  It's true, I think, I think it comes to I don't know what it is with a female's growing up in our society. But um, number one, we are all tend to be some version of a people pleaser, right? We don't want people to be mad at us, angry at us, awkward with us. Like, we just want things to be smooth. But also like, there's this like gray area of like, "Oh, I'm bragging about myself. I think I'm so good at something" versus like self deprecating. And that being almost like the norm for that's what we should do. I don't know what that is but I feel like confidence comes with competence, too. (Lesley: Yeah) Like, when you feel like you know how to do something. And for you, it can be like, here's the thing, you know, how to network and talk to people. And that's what you actually needed for that job. (Lesley: Yeah) You didn't actually need to know how to be a chef, because you're going to learn that for the commercial. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right? And so you just needed those other skills. So it's like almost defining, like, for each situation, like, "What's necessary for you to feel confident in this this situation?"Lesley Logan 15:21  Yes, yes. That's so that that is that is very something tangible, and something people can think about, like, you know, and, and we had Rob Mack, I think he was episode three, y'all. So he talks about having confidence hill, like a valleys and confidence islands and like, the knowing that like, what are your confidence valleys? Likke the things that don't make you feel confident, because if you spend a ton of time in those valleys, of course, you're not gonna feel confident. But if you know your islands, then before you go into something, you're going to feel less confident. And like spend a little time on the island and take (Hilary: Yeah) that with you.Hilary Hartling 15:52  Well, I'll tell you this, too, like. So most of my younger years, I was a dancer, it was actually my scholarship for my undergrad, I was on a dance scholarship. So, I was on the dance team (Lesley: Cool) and practice makes perfect. So no matter what it is dancing, business, speaking, if you practice it enough, you're gonna feel confident when you do the thing. So when I would go out and perform, I realized when we switched, like team captains or whatever, she didn't have us practice as much as the last one. And I remember getting into a performance like, "Oh, do I remember the next thing I'm supposed to do?" Because in the with all the practice, it was just ingrained, (Lesley: Yeah) it just came naturally. And I think that's true with everything is like people don't put give themselves enough runway to practice the thing that they want to do.Lesley Logan 16:39  Yeah. Well, that that comes with a couple things like needing instant gratification, or like thinking it has to happen sooner, that's probably the same thing. But like, you know, I do, I do understand that because when I started my business, I'm like, "Okay, I want to, I want to launch something, I want to have these big launches, I want to have this stuff." But it's like, really, like, you just gotta at least get people to know what you do first. And like (Hilary: Yeah) giving yourself that runway. And I think people do have that lack of confidence or that nervousness, (Hilary: Yeah) because they haven't enough time doing the thing before they put it out there. Of course, it's not gonna feel good.Hilary Hartling 17:14  I agree. Yeah, and I think part of it is, and I would say this with your branding, too. It's like finding your superpowers, like, what are those things that you are so good at, that you do feel confident at? And how do you infuse that into the thing that you want to do? Right? So like, one of my I guess superpowers is knowing my audience, but not just knowing them. But like, whatever room I'm in, understanding what's happening in that room so that I can, so I'm not just rehearse with like, "I'm going to give you this marketing spiel for what I'm doing to support your movie, such and such director." I'm going to listen to everyone who's talking in the room, see what the filmmakers are really zoned in on and concerned about. And then I'm going to adjust how I talk about the thing I know that like the back of my hand, but I'm gonna alter how I fit so that it hits home with them. (Lesley: Yeah) Does that makes sense. Right?Lesley Logan 18:10  100%. I ended up at a styling party, like a stylist party, it was really hilarious. (Lesley and Hilary laughs) Just a day in the life of LA, you know, you end up at a party at the top of the hill, and there's all these fancy outfits. And, um, and so obviously everyone there's a stylist, I am not. But, you know, I was listening to conversations and then of course, I was able to somehow insert what I do into a conversation with stylists. And it was, you know, it was really funny. I was like, "Oh, look at me. I can still do this." (Lesley laughs) (Hilary: Yeah) Yeah. I think that I think that's really key. So okay, we can talk about so many different things but I want to go back to, you left Disney to create your own thing. And I feel like that's not an easy decision to make. So how did you leap into doing your own thing, you know?Hilary Hartling 19:01  Yeah, well, this is an interesting story, too. So, a couple years before leaving Disney, I sort of kind of reached the ceiling of where I could go in my current position. So, I was a VP of Integrated Marketing and Synergy. I had my own department, my own team. It's what I had had in my vision to create for myself when I was there. And then I think once I reached it, I knew I couldn't go further in the position I was in. And then when I looked around, I was like, "Do I want any other kind of position? Do I want to move somewhere else?" And because I had created my own dream job, because I put things together my own way, and just had the audacity to say, "This is my job." And people said, "Great." (Lesley laughs) It was good crazy. Um, I automatically when you don't, when you know, you can't grow in that way, you start to feel stuck. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And so it just felt like, "Oh, it's just another movie, or I'm having to remarket myself to all the upper echelon senior executives who keep coming and going, and I have to train them about what I do and the value that I bring." And that just became just not fun anymore. So while I loved working on movies, I was like, "I feel like I've been there done that. It might be time for the next thing." And the interesting thing is, I spent so long on that vision and on that one dream, I forgot to dream about what was next. (Lesley: Right) So you get to have a bigger dream, you get to have multiple dreams, you don't get just one dream. (Lesley: Right) Right? And so the joke at Disney is, "If you decide it's time to go, if you've been there for a while, stick around, you'll get caught in an organizational restructure or voluntary separation package, and you'll get a really great package." That's what I did. (Lesley laughs) I waited. And what's funny is it was on January 1, 2015. And I decided on January 1, because I'm writing my New Year's goals and stuff. I said, "You know what, regardless of like, I've waited too long. I don't want to feel stuck anymore. Let me just see, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave Disney and figure out what's next." So, I start Googling I don't... something about mid career transition or change. And the first thing that popped up was a questionnaire. And the first question on that questionnaire was, "What would you do if you were 10 times bolder?" And I instantly knew the answer. I said, "I would leave Disney, I would not have another job, I would take a whole year off, I would start writing, I would travel, I would get reinspired. I would figure out what that next dream was." Right? And so two weeks later, on January 15, I got called into a meeting at 9am. And at 9:22, I had gotten laid off in an organizational restructure, and they paid me my whole salary for an entire year. So I got my year off. I ...Lesley Logan 21:46  Oh, my God. I have chills, I have goosebumps, I have so many, this is amazing. Hilary Hartling 21:53  When you get clear on your vision, even if it's a vision to say, "I need to figure out my vision." It happens. So I had that year off. My dad was like, "Oh my God, get another job. You're gonna have double the salary." I'm like, "You don't understand. I need a year." (Hilary laughs) (Lesley: Yeah) I took the year and I got reinspired. And I figured it out. And, you know, starting my own business was not the top of my list. I needed to like decompress after that many years at such a high octane position. (Lesley: Yeah) I was like, "Oh, there's a whole world out here, I didn't realize. Oh, there's so many people who don't care about movies, what" (Lesley laughs) Right? Yeah. So those are their people never go to the movies. It's hilarious. So ...Lesley Logan 22:36  This is so cool. That is really, that is really cool. I mean, that's when you just know everything happens for you. But also (Hilary: Yeah) like, I mean, would you have been excited about that package? You know, or seen it as a gift? If you hadn't taken that done that question where you're like, "I would do this, I would do this." You're like, "Oh, look at this gift. Thanks." (Lesley laughs)Hilary Hartling 22:57  And I'm sure you know, the universe is always working in your favor. So as soon as you start to get clear, they're there to support you.Lesley Logan 23:02  Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think so true. I think a lot of times people like, "Oh, no, it's not." And it's like, "Well, it doesn't know what to give you." It's like you're, you're in limbo and ...Hilary Hartling 23:11  If you're confused. They're confused.Lesley Logan 23:13  Yeah. Yes and everything including ... (Hilary: Branding, too.) Yeah. So branding, business, clients, your life.Hilary Hartling 23:20  Yeah. If you don't narrow your your message and understand what it is be able to articulate what you do and how it helps and the value you bring. The confusion will lessen the power of your message. And then you're basically you're kind of spinning your wheels. Right? You're doing ... you're expending a lot more energy than you need to to get the thing done that you want to do, because you haven't taken the time to really focus and get clarity on where you're headed with your business. So it's the same in life. It's the same in business.Lesley Logan 23:49  Yeah, that is so true. So what are you super excited about right now? Like what are what now you because you've had your business for five years now?Hilary Hartling 23:57  Yeah. So I'm so I all those entire five years, I was also working to manifest Ruby, who is my adopted daughter, she's two months old right now. (Lesley: Oh my God) Um, she she's just was a surprise thrown on me at the end of July ... she's amazing. So, I think honestly, one of the things I'm most excited about right now is design... redesigning and being the architect of my work in my life, to create the lifestyle I want, doing the work I love. So it's not that that wasn't the priority before, but it's even more so now to really say like, "What do I prioritize? What's most important? How can I impart the biggest value in the work smarter, not harder kind of scenario?"Lesley Logan 24:43  Right. So that you can spend time with her.Hilary Hartling 24:45  So, I can spend time because she's my biggest why now. Like, you need to know your why. And she's the biggest why.Lesley Logan 24:49  Well, also like, just going back to what we were talking about with women and not like make sure we're humble, make sure people pleasers and all this stuff like, wouldn't it be so cool if she was raised in a house where she just saw a bold mom who didn't worry about like, hurting someone or not that you're gonna be mean, but like, (Hilary: Yeah, no) "Maybe I'll say no to something" instead, so you can do what you what your why is.Hilary Hartling 25:13  Yeah. I'm there, I'm very good. I think even more so since leaving Disney, I'm very good at figuring out the things that lift my energy and the things that drain my energy, and even whether it's people, projects, opportunities, I say "no" to a lot. And in fact, even on my own discovery calls, my sales calls for one on one clients, I will say to them, at some point in the conversation. I only say "yes" to people who I'm inspired by. So not everybody gets on my calendar, just because we have a sales call doesn't automatically mean that it's a "yes" for me. So that makes them work a little harder to say, "Why they want to work with me as well?" But it's true. Like I do my best work when I'm inspired. And if we go back to what we said in the very beginning, that your brand is this feeling - How do you want people to feel? Why do you think I worked in the movies for so many years? I'm inspired by evoking emotion and that's what brands do. (Lesley: Yeah) The best brands evoke an emotion and make you feel something and inspire you or motivate you to do something that you never tried before. Lesley Logan 26:13  Oh, okay. I've ... like there's so many things. You've said something about being really clear on what you'll say "yes" to and what you'll say "no" to. And like what brings like what your energy things are. (Hilary: Yeah) And I do agree like probably while you're at Disney, that's a little harder, because when you're in that high octane environment, you you're, it's almost like barometer is off. And so you're, you're not really sure at that level. But when you ... how did you how did you recalibrate your barometer? And like, what, what are some ways that people can understand like, what they should say "no," or "yes." Do you have advice on that? Like, how did you come up with that?Hilary Hartling 26:45  Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's part of kind of really knowing your boundaries, your definition of success for you, and what excites you, right? And so like, even I will say, at Disney, um, it wasn't like, I loved my time at Disney. And there were certain moments in my career at Disney that were like, highlights, where I'm just like, "How did I get here? This is amazing. I'm so grateful to be in this room." And I would create situations that reinspired me, or like, if this filmmaker came and inspired me, I would make sure that now I'm gonna like, know that director better because the approach he has for talking about his film is exactly how I want to market this movie, or how I would want to brand something. Like I pulled from all of these thoughts and experiences and the amazing people that I got to meet like, I worked with the best storytellers in the entire world. While I was at Disney. It's people from Marvel, to Pixar, to Disney, to Steve Jobs. Like, you name it, like it was insane and amazing. And still high pressure and high octane but I loved it. But knowing when to say "yes", and when to say "no," first of all, you ... it does come back to feeling because you have to see how does that feel in your body? When you think about doing that thing? (Lesley: Yeah) Right? If you're dreading something, "that's a no, that's a no." (Lesley laughs) Right? Now, there's a different difference between I'm a little bit scared to do something, but it's challenging, and it's good for you. (Lesley: Yeah) Like, this is like a full body, "No." (Lesley: Right) Right? So you have to kind of get back in tune with your own body and your own internal wisdom to understand that. But also, if you've kind of defined like, "This is who I am. This is where I want to go." Like if you ask people, "What do you want?" Not a lot of people know how to answer that. (Lesley: Yeah, that's true.) Like its a big no.Lesley Logan 28:35  That's really true. You know, and I think, a couple years ago, I it wasn't like I was unsure of what I wanted, but it was just like it for whatever reason it didn't feel I felt like I put on a coat that wasn't tailored for me like it (Hilary: Yeah) fit and I could wear it. But I didn't feel red carpet ready. (Hilary: Yeah) And when the pandemic happened, and we did a whole relook on our goals, and I was working with my coach, I said, "I'm only doing it. I'm only doing what I want to the end of the year." (Hilary: Yeah) That's it. That's as far as I can go. And so then we did that and six weeks later, we moved and we had this whole thing cuz when you know what you want, boom, it's just like that, like nine days, (Hilary: Shows up) here's the house, it shows up. (Hilary: Yeah) So then we decided, "Okay, let's do a big dream. What do we want?" And we have a guest coming up, Hazel Ortega. She does these like big, like miracle, like miracle goals were like, you know, they have to be so big. Like, (Hilary: I love it.) you know, like not, there's no logical way that that's gonna happen for you today. But she's that's how she dreams. (Hilary: Perfect) And she's living her life that she wanted. So, I was like, "Let's go on a walk. Let's do this." And now I like literally think about I'm like, "Oh, that's actually that's exactly a yes." Because that is this person did it like because I know my my big thing, (Hilary: Yeah) and then we've like, "What do you want?" Like, "Oh, this is what I want?" I'm not gonna share it here because y'all, it'll come up soon. But ... (Hilary: Yeah, it's okay. Yeah) it's that it's, but it's like you have to know and oftentimes, you're right. They don't know and so then you feel a little lost. And I also think you have to listen to your body. I think so many people are looking for a logical reason to say "yes" or "no." But like "Malcom Gladwell's Blink," and then the book "The Gift of Fear," it's all about like, your gut, like, like your actual body knows, before your brain ...Hilary Hartling 30:21  ... and it's, it's less in your head, it's more in your heart, because your head will take you on all the different ... your head will be trying to figure out the answer and giving you all of the scenarios, right? And it's your heart that's gonna give you what you really want. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah ... And like, I think, to live your life in like, boldly, you have to have courage to do it, right. And I love the word courage, because the core root of that word is the cor, which means heart in Latin. And so courage just means speaking your heart's truth. Right? And so if you think about, like, "What do you have the courage to do?" And not a lot of people speak their truth. Like, what it does that really mean? Right? It means being your most authentic self. (Lesley: Yeah) Saying what you want, regardless of what other people might think of what you want.Lesley Logan 31:08  Yeah, that's (Hilary: Yeah) beautiful. And also, like, I think people think that courage is like doing things without fear. But it's actually like not, that's not at all like, your people are courageous, and they're doing the (Hilary: Yeah) thing that makes them scared anyway.Hilary Hartling 30:21  It's like, it's actually identifying the fear and facing it. Right? It's walking through the fear, and you have to go through it. (Lesley: Yeah) Because all the good stuffs on the other side. (Hilary laughs)Lesley Logan 31:32  It's all on the other side, it is all on the other side. And for whatever reason, we're like, "No, I'm just gonna sit here in this fear pool and wait around." (Lesley laughs)Hilary Hartling 31:41  You do. Did you know why? The fear pool is, is a feeling we're used to. (Lesley: Yeah) We're not actually used to getting everything we want. When you start doing littler things. It's as easy to manifest big as it is to manifest small, but people need to do the small things to see that it's possible. Lesley Logan 31:55  Yeah. How, okay, really quick. So, how did you get used to getting what you wanted? Was that weird for you or were you born that way?Hilary Hartling 32:03  I was born that way. I think I have a very strong mom, I have a very supportive dad, I had a fabulous, you know, childhood. Not to say that you have to have those things to have, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) to get to have that quality. But I feel like I was always confident in my abilities, and just what I was capable of. And I knew that even if I didn't know how to do something, I could learn it. And if I was, I learned that if I was one of my sayings, that I say to all my clients, "Is follow your excitement." Right? Your excitement is the universe, nudging you in the right direction. And when you follow your excitement, that's literally your heart's calling. That's what you're meant to do. And so if you can start to trust yourself, that actually breeds confidence.Lesley Logan 32:51  Yeah, that's 100% true. And I do agree, like you don't have to have been raised that way to have (Hilary: Yeah) those feelings. (Hilary: No) I think it is, it's a choice of like, "How do you want to live your life?" Like, "Do you want to live it believing that you can have the things you want? Or would you prefer to live in the place that you don't."Hilary Hartling 33:11  And often they don't, remember their wins, right? So like, look back at the proof you have in your lifetime of things going the right way. We tend to think of the things that went wrong. But what went right? What did you go after and what happened? What what things showed up and you're like, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing." Like those are your wins. And that's actually your evidence to say that what you desire, what you want to manifest is possible because you got I mean, even if like you have a husband, you manifested that husband.Lesley Logan 33:41  Oh, when I 100% did and anyone who wants to know, like happy to tell you, but I ...(Lesley laughs) I was like intentional about that and I was like, "No, I want this in a partner, I want this." And if I don't have those things, I'm not settling. And I think it I think it's just like, it's all the wind part is like, I ha... in my coaching group, I have a wins channel. And it is so hard for people to post in there. They feel like (Hilary: Yeah) they don't wait until the this thing and so I some people and I'm like, "It's your homework. Every Friday, you must have a fuck yeah, Friday, and you have to list everything that happened this week. That was great. I don't care how small it was." And it's crazy how the more they do it, the more fun they have doing it. And in OPC and in our Pilates group, you know, on and off because people are like, "Oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't ..." Like, "What did you do? I want to hear what you did. I want to hear what you did. And I want you to celebrate that because I want you to celebrate that you showed up," because our brain really does pay attention to what makes us feel good and what doesn't make us feel good. So, I think you're 100% correct. Like just focusing on what our wins are. Maybe having a little wins journal, you just like type in win (Hilary: Yeah) wins. Maybe ...Hilary Hartling 34:48  You know what I do, I actually take my to-do list and turn it into a ta-da list.Lesley Logan 34:55  Stop. (Hilary: Yeah) Hold on. Ta-da list? Aaah! Are you going to make journals for this? Like you should make it ta-da list. (Hilary laughs)Hilary Hartling 35:02  I should. I posted it on social media before. And I think I do it on my Facebook group sometimes. But but yeah, it's it's like such an easy thing, right? It's like, "Okay, what were your to-do today? and now how do you celebrate that as a ta-da?"Lesley Logan 35:15  Oh, my gosh, Hilary, (Hilary laughs) I really do want like I want my ...Hilary Hartling 35:20  I'm a branding person. So, you know? (Hilary and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 35:22  I do. I do. I want I want the ... I want the thing that's sounds like my kitchen refrigerator, that's like "ta-da!" (Lesley laughs)Hilary Hartling 35:30  Right. It's a good checkbox to be like, "Yeah, ta-da." Right?Lesley Logan 35:35  Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. I was doing my I started writing my ... my ta-da's, daily to-dos ... and my team is like, "We have Monday, like just put it in there." And I'm like, "No, I like to, I like to write it." (Hilary: Yeah) And yeah, when I hit "Done," it does this little like, glitter thing. It goes "peww". (Hilary: Yeah) And you know it's so fun. But I just I like I like to do the check mark. I'm an elder millennial, like, I like to write it down. So, I couldn't read my own writing. So, I was like, "We're gonna call that a done anyways. Win!" (Lesley laughs)Hilary Hartling 36:02  That's awesome. When you do and you're like, "I don't know what this is but I feel like I did that." (Lesley: I did it.) (Hilary and Lesley laughs) That's so good.Lesley Logan 36:09  Oh my God. Okay, Hillary. So where can we in the best way, stalk you? Where are you at? Where do you hang out?Hilary Hartling 36:15  I hang out most on Instagram. So it's at @hilaryhartling. It's Hilary with one L and then it's H a r t l i n g. So you can find me there. And then that's also my website, if you want to just check out all the things that I do and offer and that's just totally hilaryhartling.comLesley Logan 36:29  Amazing. Okay. You gave us so many awesome little things, little nuggets gems in in our conversation already. But to me BE IT is, bold, executable or intrinsic, targetable steps like ways we can prioritize ourselves. So, what would you tell someone listening to this? It can be one thing or whatever has many things did you want (Hilary: Yeah) to to be bolder.Hilary Hartling 36:54  Yeah, I actually think to live boldly it you need, I think there's five steps. Okay, the first one is trusting yourself. And I think I mentioned that before. So trust yourself, find a way to regularly get steel so that you can actually listen to and hear your inner voice because it's there. And that's when you start trusting it more when you know how to access it. I think number two I mentioned this before too, is follow your excitement, right? That's how you know you're going in the right direction. So do that. And then number three, stop comparing because your journey is going to be different from anyone else's. And you're going to get farther faster by staying present with your own goals, your own desires, and getting that clarity and vision that you have for your life. Four, I would say redefine what success means to you, right? So this needs to make sense for you. But then to create goals, from that point of view, right? They don't have to make sense to anyone else but you but redefine what success means to you. For me, success means feeling good. That's literally what success means. And then I would say the fifth thing, to BE IT you have to be you. Right? You're always the secret sauce to your personal brand. And when you show up as your like full body, totally authentic self. The right people are going to be drawn into your universe like you are the light that they've been searching for. Five steps.Lesley Logan 38:16  Those brilliant, brilliant, really Hilary, you are amazing. Everyone you can see how you can follow Hilary in the show notes below. This is definitely a podcast that I would put save on and relisten to because this is gold, it's amazing. I'm just so glad we met and I will come up with a new excuse for us to talk next week. (Hilary: I can't wait) (Lesley and Hilary laughs) I I just adore you. I'm so excited for you and for Ruby like just that she gets to grow up with a mom like you. Oh my God. (Hilary: Thank you) She's gonna be unstoppable, like unstoppable.Hilary Hartling 38:49  She is. She, that's the word (Lesley and Hilary laughs) Thanks for having me, Lesley.Lesley Logan 38:55  Oh, a pleasure and we'll have to do it again. Thank you everyone for listening. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 39:01 That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!Lesley Logan 39:30'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 39:34  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 39:45  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 39:50Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Elle Russ chats with Robert Mack - an ivy-league-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Executive Coach, and Author. Robert studied under the direction of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn). UPenn is the only institution in the world to offer a Masters degree in Applied Positive Psychology. Robert is one of the world's leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success. He helps individuals and organizations achieve an energizing balance of authentic personal happiness and effortless professional success, based on time-tested, face-valid, empirical data and timeless, transcendental wisdom. Robert's work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, and many others, and he has been seen on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E!, OWN, GQ, Self, Health, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour. Robert's first book, Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment, is celebrity-endorsed and critically acclaimed. It has been translated into various languages, including Chinese. Visit CoachRobMack.com to learn more.   SELECTED LINKS: CoachRobMack.com ElleRuss.com

Maybe you've had the thought 'once I get in a relationship, then I'll be happy' or 'once I get married, THEN I'll be happy'. We're chatting with positive psychology expert and celebrity happiness coach Rob Mack about why we often look to relationships as our source of happiness, when this is something we can find from within. We discuss how we're wired for happiness, how to come out of situations that don't make us happy, and why it's more important to find someone who supports our happiness over becomes our happiness.Trigger Warning: There is a brief mention of thoughts of suicide when Rob shares his story.Follow Rob @robmackofficial and learn more about Rob at https://www.coachrobmack.com/Follow us @dateablepodcast. Check out our website for more content, virtual live show dates, and merch. Join the Sounding Board at https://www.dateablepodcast.com/soundingboardThank you to our partners for this episode:Kensington Books: Kensington's newest title Dinner on Primrose Hill by Jodi Thomas. You can find Dinner on Primrose Hill wherever books are sold or visit kensingtonbooks.comFirstLeaf: Join today and get 6 bottles of wine for $29.95 and free shipping at tryfirstleaf.com/dateable and use the code DATEABLE.Incipio: For 20% off your devices from phones to airpods to tablets, visit incipio.com and use the code DATEABLECover art Photography Credit: Larry Wong #lwongphotoDateable is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more outstanding podcasts to subscribe to at frolic.media/podcastsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/dateable-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Do it anyway... in the face of imposter syndrome. That's tough! Today Brad and Lesley recap last episode's interview with fitness expert Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe and really dig into how to get through that imposter syndrome, asking for help when you need it and the power of DMs.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:OnlinePilatesClasses.com is having a sale... (for a limited time!)Don't let access to a studio/gym stop you from doing PilatesThe power of DMsAsking for help when you need itCorrect and continueAccept that you're going to have imposter syndrome and do it anywayEpisode References/Links:Leave us a review on iTunesJenny's The Find Your STRONG podcastJenny's IGIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Hey, Be It pod listener, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being you. Thanks for watching our podcast here on our YouTube channel. I'm just so grateful for you. I have a big favor, and I'm, I mean, like, let me just say, "It's not easy for me to ask for help," but I need your help. I'm on a mission, I really want to change as many lives and help people be it till they see it all over the world, and I need your help. We have been so grateful. The amount of downloads our podcast has had in just a short period of time is, it's amazing. That's insane. However, we also need more written reviews. So, and specifically on Apple. So even if you are watching here on YouTube, or you listen on Spotify, or you listen on Google Play, Apple podcast is where everyone looks to see which podcasts they should send people on for interviews. And, so we need lots of reviews to be there like a hundred written reviews. So, big huge favor if you could use the link below, go write a review, rate us, give us all the stars you love and let me know. Screenshot it, send it to me on a @be_it_pod. I just want to thank you for the bottom of my heart. We are truly, truly can't do this podcast without you. And, I'm just so grateful that these words hit your ears. And if you wouldn't mind writing us that review that would be amazing. And, I will be so forever grateful. Thank you and now here's the podcast you wanted to listen to.Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the impressive conversation we had with, well, I had with Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe in our last episode. So you can go back and listen to that one. And then listen to this one. Or you can listen to this one and then that one or maybe you already listened to that one, (Brad: Maybe) cuz some of you are like on it like I am... Monday, we listen! So, you can feel free to pause this, listen to it or be awesome and keep going. (Brad laughs) Here's the deal, y'all, first time in a long time, we are having a sale at OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale. This is you know, we've never do this. Usually, it's only for the challengers, but you can get in on one of our amazing annual memberships. It's based on the equipment that you've access to. And it's for like a few days only. So, if you are behind on your podcast, it's over. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah, normally, we don't offer this outside of the people who are doing the challenge, which we've you've heard us talk about. So this is the first time that we've opened it up to the public, in addition to the challengers, so to find more information, you can go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Join OPC. Yeah, you know me. (Brad: Woah) Alright. Well, do we have a question from the listeners, my love?Brad Crowell  We do this is great. I love it when when you know, we love connecting with you through Instagram. So, thanks for sending this in. "I've never done Pilates, can I get started on my own? Or do I need to go to a studio?" Well, let me tell you, no, just kidding. You can field this one, love. (Lesley: Okay) (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Honestly, like, you know, sure, I think a studio is great if you have access to one. I mean, there's there's awesome opportunities to be had when you're in person, but you can totally get started on your own like that is even what Joseph Pilates wanted, he put his exercises in a book and hoped people would do them. And little plug here, at OPC we actually have an intro series that (Brad: Yeah) I created specifically so that people could get started on their own. And so many people have their 10 minute to 15 minute classes and they're designed to prepare you to join all-levels class, whether that is an OPC class, or class at your gym or, or a studio. So the the reality is, is that not every exercise is for every body. Sometimes now, sometimes later or sometimes ever. And so the beautiful thing about Pilates is that every exercise is very compounding on to the next one. So when you learn the foundational exercises, you can pretty much just put them together and it becomes a more intermediate or advanced exercise. So yes, you can absolutely get started on your own. And, I hope you do with us because that'd be a lot of fun. But if not and you have a studio close by, go do it up. You know like that's also nice. We have a lot of people who do both, they do OPC and they do a studio. So ...Brad Crowell  If you, if you don't have access to a studio, and you're still interested, we have been filming exercise tutorials for years, years on the website. (Lesley: Brad made me do it) (Lesley laughs) So, we have hundreds of them. Gaia agrees... we have hundreds of them. And you can go on... they're free. So just go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com up in the menu, you'll see free tutorials. And you know, you can (Lesley: Choose the mat.) Yeah. Also, if you do that intro to Pilates series that Lesley was talking about, there's a quick guide on the left side that has a link to the free tutorial to explain each of the exercises that she's taking you through during the three videos that you'd get with the intro series. So anyway, feel free to check that out. If you have any questions. Just just you know, chat to us.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And I love that you asked this question. It's, you know, it might seem like something that people should just know on their own, but I didn't know this until I started doing Pilates and, and you know, Pilates is the best thing you can add to anything you're already doing. And so, I hope that you get started with us or we get started on your own and don't let having, not having access to equipment get to stop you from getting Pilates in your body.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe. I ... that's a that's a name right there. I'm just sayin'. She because of that, she goes by JVB. She also goes by Jenny. (Lesley: Yeah) So, Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe is an inspiring body transformation specialist entrepreneur, fitness cover model, wife and mom of two after starting her fitness journey as a trainer at the age of 18. And eventually fainting on the gym floor from unhealthy eating and unhealthy exercising, she went back to school to study holistic nutrition. She is now the founder of an incredible community of strong women. Is also the President of Strong Fit Magazine. I think that's a recent thing for her within the past year or something. And, she's doing everything she can to support women live their best, helping them to live their best lives.Lesley Logan  So cool. She's so, she's so freakin' kind. And, I just ...Brad Crowell  It was pretty awesome that she was willing to be a guest. (Lesley: Oh, I mean ...) Especially because I don't know that we'd launched the pod yet, (Lesley: No.) when that (Lesley: No.) interview happened?Lesley Logan  We ha... this interview y'all happened so long ago, the podcast wasn't launched. And, here I am and me the President of Strong Fitness Magazine to interview with me. I'm like, I don't know when this is actually going to go up because Apple hasn't approved my podcast yet but ...Brad Crowell  Oh, that's right. (Lesley: Yeah) We were supposed to be live. (Lesley: Yeah) But then Apple held us up for ... (Lesley: Over a month.) Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) like six weeks, I think.Lesley Logan  It was insane. And she was still like, "Of course, no problem." And she's like, "You should be on my podcast." And I was like, "Okay, great." (Brad laughs) And now y'all like she consider her absolute friend. And (Brad: Yeah) she wants to come visit us in Vegas. And you know, (Brad: Really fun) it's really cool. (Brad: Yeah) Never underestimate the power of like reaching out. You know what I tell y'all to screenshot our podcast and put a takeaway. So that's actually how Jenny and I started talking. I screenshotted, screenshot, (Brad: Took a screenshot) I took a screenshot of a (Lesley laughs) that also sounds redundant. Anyways, at some point, I did a screenshot on my phone. And I tagged her and Amy Ledin, who was one of our guests because she was on Amy's podcast. This girl is awesome. And in that podcast, she's like, "Yeah, I'm launching a podcast." And I was like, "That's amazing." So, I promoted Amy's pod with her. And then I said, "I can't wait to hear about your podcast. I know how tough it is to launch, we're in the middle of launching our own. So, you know, just let me know when you launch. I'm happy to promote it." And she's like, "That's amazing." We saw this whole conversation back and forth. Then when her podcast launched, I promoted it. She was so grateful. And then she's like, "I need to have you on my podcast." And I was like, (Brad: Cool.) "I want to have you on mine." So, (Brad: Cool.) let me just say the power of DMs, it happens when you tag someone you are literally have access to them. And most people do not give up the power of their DMs to an assistant or to anybody else. So you could be you could literally be talking to the person who you are inspired by or have taken advice from and then you can talk to them and who knows they become a friend.Brad Crowell  Yeah. That's amazing. (Lesley: Yeah) Well, so she was telling us her, I mean actually, it was a really great convo, you you covered a lot of ground. (Lesley: I know) Everything from her story of how she got into starting her community to then accepting the role as the President of Strong Fit and why she did that. And yeah, anyway, it was just a lot.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, I really loved when she talked about asking for help when you need it because this has been this is something that's really hard for me to do. And, it's always a good reminder. I've gotten so much better because as our companies grow, and as our dogs grow like this, you just need more help than you can't, you can't, you can't get away from asking for it. And when it's so amazing when you ask for help, the people that stepped forward to do it, it just real... makes you realize, like, look at all the work that I've put out there that people want to be supportive and held back. So, I just think that's a great reminder for us all. It's like, "If you need help ask for it."Brad Crowell  Yeah, she was talking about, specifically with her family. You asked her, "How, how can you possibly run a company, be the President of a magazine and have two kids?" (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and she said, "Well, I have help." I, she said it was really, she felt very guilty at first for hiring a nanny. And she said, but it took a little bit of time. But she's shifted her view to be grateful for the influence that this nanny is able to have in her kids lives, that it's a second influence in her kids lives. So helping them become more than just, you know, what she and her husband are sowing into them. But also now there's, there's another perspective. And, I thought that was really an amazing way to look at it. Also, the the she said that the mom guilt never goes away. But because the you know, they're able to be close to the grandparents, and you know, have a team around them asking for help has been easier to do. (Lesley: I love that.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  I think it's great. I think you know, also some of those people that you ask for help, because you're hiring them, you are changing their lives and the people around them, because this nanny is (Brad: Yeah) doing something that she really wants to do. She's able to pass along great and like advice and support these two kids. And then she goes home to her family. (Brad: Sure) And to people that are in her life. And, so I think we, I think we forget that when you hire people to help you with something you're passionate about, that it allows them to do something that they love and get paid for it, and then spread that to the people around them. So you know, (Brad: Yeah) ask for help when you need it. That's what I loved. What did you love?Brad Crowell  Well, she said, she, she said, "Being a mom is, it forces you to be more organized," and she was missing her workouts. And she said as her kids are getting older they are sleeping till seven. And so she decided to set aside time for herself in the mornings and get her workout in early. And it made me realize that we're we're on the right path, right? If she can be running a team, running a company, being a mom, you know, and still making time for herself. You know, she did talk about self care. She did talk about, you know how amazing she feels to tackle the rest of the day after she's gotten her workout in. And I love that, that we've been focused on that with the challenge. (Lesley: Yeah) The "Me, Myself and I" theme for this recent challenge. You know, because it's it's a, it's it's a great indicator, you know ...Lesley Logan  Yeah. I always love when I hear people promoting the same things that we are talking about, because it's a little confirmation that I'm not just making up something that (Brad: Yeah) I think it's important. And also like, I think it's really easy for people to hear me say that and go, "Yeah, Lesley must be easy for you. You don't have kids." But when you hear another mom say it (Brad: Yeah) a woman who is running a company say it. It's like, "Yeah, and she does it too." And it's because it's that important. It's so important to have that precious time and, and you know, maybe you don't even work out, maybe to sit in the sunshine, or sit in the darkness. I don't know what time you're getting up. And like, be still and just have quiet time. Like whatever time aside looks like for you is you get to decide that but it is so important that we do that. And, I'm glad she brought that up too.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and for some, you know, honestly, it might simply be clocking out because working from home, it's so easy to work late. (Lesley: Yeah. Keep working) You know, and and maybe maybe it's you know, "Okay, it's dinner time, I'm finished now. I'm done working." And that could be the first place to start. But all right, finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that you covered with Coach JVB, with Jenny. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with her? The thing that I really that was like, "Okay, cool that that makes a lot of sense." Was the very end she said, "Correct and continue," I'm pretty sure it was like (Lesley: Yeah) the very last thing she was (Lesley: Yeah) talking about. Correct and continue. And, I thought that was so great because you know, we talked about before taking baby steps, small steps, stepping stones, whatever, that whole idea, you know of moving the needle forward. And, it's also the the idea of very back in the very beginning when we were talking about the staircase, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you don't, you know, like the direction with ro... Yeah, Rob Mack, you know the that there's the staircase there, you know the way you're going, but you might not know exactly every single step. And I love this addition to it, correct to continue, take a step forward, if that's still the right step, great. If not correct, then take another step forward, if not correct, then take another step forward. So that that I thought was awesome. It's really amazing to conceptualize that.Lesley Logan  Well, it takes the perfectionist out of it, and like, just to bring it back to Pilates, because that's what I love. When you're doing Pilates exercise, if it's, you know, like, I was just teaching Brad this morning, (Brad: Woah) actually. And, I gave him a correction, and he continues to move. And so it's not like we stop, we gotta have a moment about it, we got to do a lecture about it. We got to like, beat ourselves up about it. It's like no ... (Brad: It's a family meeting) just needs to press into his feet more and keep going. Right? So, I think it's one of the things that I truly love about how our Pilates practice can really help us train us for life is that as you're doing the movement, if you're like, "Oh, I'm not feeling this in the right spot," you just go ask yourself, "Okay, oh, that I need to pull my ribs a little bit more, or I need to pull my shoulder and my back" and you just keep continuing on. Cause the body will teach itself. And as you are doing things in your life, and you make these corrections, you continue. What's cool is your body and your brain remember that and they go, "Oh, the last time we went through that (Brad: Right) this happened." (Brad: Yeah) And so you, you aren't having to revisit that lesson all unless you want to, over and over again. So yeah, (Brad: Dating the same person. What?) Yeah (Lesley laughs) We stopped doing that ...Brad Crowell  Correct and continue. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  Yeah, okay. Well, my biggest takeaway is, accept that you're going to have imposter syndrome and still do it anyway. And I this is, this is actually something really, I think is important because I'm hearing a lot of people call it an imposter syndrome is the reason why they're not doing something. And  Brené Brown even had a talk about it on one of her podcasts recently. I'm not actually sure if it was she was on someone else's, or it was hers. But there's so much blaming the imposter syndrome. And that's like the excuse to not do something and I'm not saying the imposter syndrome doesn't exist, it 100% does. But using it as a reason to not do something is actually a problem. That's, that's actually not cool. Imposter syndrome is going to be there because in theory, if you're trying something new, you are in fact, an imposter, period. So you have to just go "Okay, I feel like an imposter because I'm new at this and I'm gonna do it anyway." So that's really what courage is. And so, you know, I just I love that she brought that up as a as a BE IT action item. (Brad: Yeah.) So, because it's like ...Brad Crowell  She was talking about her podcast and starting the pod. (Lesley: Yeah.) And (Lesley: Oh, my God,) and she's like, "Well, it's something I was wanting to do." But she thought, you know, "Who am I to be" You know, (Lesley: Same) (Lesley laughs) on a pod. You know, like hosting it and so, yeah, I you know, but the key was still doing it anyway.Lesley Logan  Yeah, because same I even told her how hard it is when I was on her podcast, I said, I'm just like, "What am I doing? Like, why would anyone listen? What if I waste people's time?" (Brad: Sure.) But we did it anyways. And the reality is, as soon as it went up, that imposter syndrome goes like went away because now I am Podcaster. We're on episode 42, episode 43, 44 actually, I'm looking at the notes. I can count. So anyways, um, yeah, when you're feeling imposter sydrome, so just feel and go, "Oh. That's imposter syndrome right now." And then go anyways, "I'm going to do it anyways." (Brad: Yeah) Because you I promise you, you want to do it when like, you are new at something and don't have a ton. You'd like it's not like you want to be like, "Okay, I want to wait to have a million followers. And then I'm gonna be good enough to do X, Y, and Z." Yeah. Now you're gonna launch for the first time for a million people. I'd rather do five, I'd rather do it in front of five people. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: So) That's true. (Lesley: Anyways) Amazing!Lesley Logan  Well, this is awesome. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so grateful you're here. I hope you enjoyed listening to Jenny's interview. And we'd love to know how you use her tips, these tips and your life. So, take a screenshot, tag Jenny, tag she's @coach_jvb, tag @be_it_pod and let us know your your takeaways. And that way we can see them and be inspired. I know it'll be a gift to her. And then if you have questions you can DM to @be_it_pod, we'll answer them on the next episode. Until then, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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Knowing yourself, being curious, asking genuine questions... these are just some of the topics that Lesley and Brad covered during today's episode while recapping Dr. Kelly Bender's interview from the last episode. Also discussed was mantras, physical reminders and more.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:We're on week 3 of the OPC #100withme ChallengeCadillac flashcard deck will be available in the spring of 2022Putting physical reminders for yourself in your personal spaceMoney is all around meGoing to meet-ups that are not for your professionBe curious, ask questionsMaybe there's a better wayKnowing yourself helps you make clear decisionsEpisode References/Links:Join the OPC #100withme Challenge waitlistJoin the OPC Flashcard deck waitlistSend your questions into the @be_it_pod on IGIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Hey, Be It pod listener, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being you. Thanks for watching our podcast here on our YouTube channel. I'm just so grateful for you. I have a big favor and I'm, I mean, like, let me just say, "It's not easy for me to ask for help," but I need your help. I'm on a mission, I really want to change as many lives and help people, be it till they see it all over the world, and I need your help. We have been so grateful. The amount of downloads our podcast has had in just a short period of time is, it's amazing. That's insane. However, we also need more written reviews. So, and specifically on Apple. So even if you are watching here on YouTube, or you listen on Spotify, or you listen on Google Play, Apple podcast is where everyone looks to see which podcasts they should send people on for interviews. And, so we need lots of reviews to be there like a hundred written reviews. So, big huge favor if you could use the link below, go write a review, rate us, give us all the stars you love and let me know. Screenshot it, send it to me on a @be_it_pod. I just want to thank you for the bottom of my heart. We are truly, truly can't do this podcast without you. And, I'm just so grateful that these words hit your ears. And if you wouldn't mind writing us that review that would be amazing. And, I would be so forever grateful. Thank you and now here's the podcast you want love to listen to.Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the inspiring convo I had with Dr. Kelly Bender in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to stop now. Go back to that one. Listen to it, you're gonna wanna listen to it, there's some good stuff in there. And then come back and listen to this or do it in the reverse order. However, you like to do things in your life. Maybe you're out washing the dishes (well, I don't know why you would be out washing dishes) maybe you're in washing the dishes, and you just have wet hands. You can't change the order of episodes. That's fine. It's gonna be awesome. No spoiler alerts. I'm really excited Babe though, because we are, we are finishing up week three of the #100withme challenge. And this one is like, it's so fun because the people who are on their third and fourth time around are like really getting like they're like, there's so much space and grace for themselves. And they have so much support for others and the people are on their first time are truly like owning it. They're like ... I mean, even when they get a little they've had a little head cold, whatever they're like, "I'm taking care of myself though. I'm laying in bed." (Brad: Nice) And like they're celebrating it. It's really fun.Brad Crowell  Yeah, it's been good. I feel like the more we do this challenge the the people who have been with us the whole time. They definitely get it and it's been great for them to kind of share the methodology, the thought process with the new people as they're coming in and to be encouraging and stuff. (Lesley: Yeah) So, it's cool to to be building a community (Lesley: Yeah) and to see people you know, getting to know each other.Lesley Logan  I know. It's really a lot of fun that we have our hype girls in there this time and they're they're having a lot of fun and you've been you've been doing the check in calls before me. We have people (Brad: Yeah) y'all, you don't know what this challenge is called #100withme because it's about giving yourself 100% with me and ... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  This is the "Me, Myself and I" theme.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I thought it was time because I just saw so many people getting back into their life after, you know, different lock downs and such and people were falling back into those bad. Oh, I mean, technically there's no such thing as a bad habit, but the life of going, being really busy doing things for others before they do things for themselves over scheduling themselves. (Brad: Sure) And so we just had to do ... I mean "Me, Myself and I" themed one, and it's go, I mean people are really "me, myself and I-ing." I love it. I love it.Brad Crowell  That's a that's a ...Lesley Logan  I made it. Is it a verb? Did I make it a verb?Brad Crowell  You made it a verb. You did. "Me, myself and I-ing" (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah (Lesley: Anyways ...) good for them.Lesley Logan  I know, good for them. (Brad laughs) Somehow, I make it about me, but I'm so proud of that. (Brad: I love it.) But actually we are going into week four this weekend. And this is where it's like you start to see the people cramming it in because they're trying to get there checkins but also you see people who are really getting into their flow. And I love that and that's why we do it for 30 days. Because, you know, the first week is super motivated, super exciting, it's new. And the second week is where like things life gets in the way and you start to... things happen. But then the third week we troubleshoot, and the four week, fourth week, you're like to hopefully in your groove, and if not, if you start in the week three, we had a few people start late, that's okay, because you have all the inspirations apart from the people who've gone through it with you. So you kind of you kind of learn it faster.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah) And we've had some people who, you know, signed up, and then we're not able to really do it. And so they're just getting started. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah, so it's good.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so if you are like this challenge sounds really fun. I want to be all about myself. Then you want to go to #100withme.com and go on the waitlist for the next one. But also, if you become an OPC member, you hear about it first and we will always give our OPC members an option. And I would just say if you are on the email list, there's a fun little announcement that's gonna go out about becoming an OPC member next week. (Brad: Watch out now) ... Watch that email. Anyways, that is something that is super exciting going on right now as we speak in real time. But before we get into the recap, do we have an audience question?Brad Crowell  We did, as you definitely heard us talk about here on the pod. We've had two decks of flashcards come out for Pilates flashcards, one for the Mat and the other for the Reformer. And somebody asked if we were going to be doing another deck on the chairs. (Lesley: Yeah) And we are ...Lesley Logan  We are that's not the next one though. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  But that's not the next one. So, we're so grateful for your question. Stay tuned. Next will be the Cadillac ...Lesley Logan  It's the Cadillac and I'm really excited about it. It should be out in spring time, spring time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, in the spring and then the chairs should be out in the fall of next year.Lesley Logan  That is the plan and now that my team is already doing all the legwork for it. I can't back out (Brad laughs) so you will see that there is, Brad isn't there a fancy little shindig where they can like just get all deck alerts when it comes to upcoming decks. I pretty sure there is a waitlist for this. He will put it in the show notes. He's he's may feel like it doesn't exist but it does.Brad Crowell  I will, I will put it in the show notes now there was a waitlist at one point for the Mat and then we rolled it into the Reformer. So ...Lesley Logan  And then we rolled it into it all deck waitlist.Brad Crowell  We did yeah so we have we I will put it in the show notes. If you're interested in getting updates about the flashcards.Lesley Logan  My brain is like, "Meridith did it." (Brad: Yeah. She did it.) I'm hoping he read that brain (Brad laughs) message. I just sent it right across the table. Anyways, thanks for that question. I I'm so glad you're so enthusiastic about these deck cards. They're super, super fun for us. And I'm going to be really honest, these next decks are a little bit more tricky to put together because there is no order. And (Brad: Yeah) there's a lot of variations for things. And so, I'm really trying to put together the most comprehensive version of the deck that we can so that everyone including teachers or non teachers can use it for their tower and their Cadillac, and then more. So stay tuned. Thank you ... You can send any questions you have for us. It could be about life, business, Pilates, you know, a book you want to read, that neighbor next door who's driving you nuts, you can whatever and you can send it in at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. We'll answer in the next episode.Brad Crowell  Awesome. Well let's talk about Dr. Kelly Bender from last well from the last episode on Monday. I know you're so excited to talk (Lesley: I love her) about her because I know that she's one of your besties. (Lesley: She is) Dr. Bender is a California licensed Naturopathic Medical Doctor. Trained in natural medicine, ketamine, regenerative medicine, bio identical hormone replacement therapy and peptide therapy. And I had no idea about most of that. I just was like, "Oh, our friend's a naturopathic doctor" ...Lesley Logan  And she's come to Cambodia with us. He has spent a week with her and a different country. No idea ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, but I didn't know about all these medical situations. So she's like, super focused on staying on the cutting edge of things. She's very plugged in. She helps you learn about your own body and how you can take care of yourself with a specifically individualized treatment plan. She's been both Lesley and my doctor for a while now plus a our friend for longer and I'm shocked to say like I said I didn't know most of her story. So it was super fun to listen to the two of you talking about that and I can absolutely envision her, knowing her, I can envision her you know, like talking herself into going to a meetup and then get put herself in the room and like intentionally, you know, like, she's great at talking to people. So, you know, once she got in the groove, I'm sure it was easy.Lesley Logan  She's also 100% great at listening to people because I spend time with her and I hang out with her and like we've been on the retreat with her. And it amazes me like she intently listens with a smile on her face. And her eyes are like locked in. And she's like listening. And it's really fun to be around. I've done some networking events with her, and, and I ... she's whatev... everything that she talked about doing inside the podcast she totally 100% owns and does like that was all real ...Brad Crowell  Well, there was a ton of takeaways and also a handful of BE IT action items at the end.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so I real... there's so many things I loved. I was listening to it again this morning. And I was like, "Oh, I love that, Oh, I love that. What am I going to choose?" So actually, I really loved about the partnership about putting things in your physical environment that make you feel that happiness in a desired state. And I think this is really true. I'm not I'm not quite certain if anyone's talked about having like a token or a talisman, that might be an episode coming out, that I talked to someone about, but it's like having something in your room that when you see it, it kind of snaps you into that experience and that feeling you want to have. And so she does have what she talked about she has two $100 bills on a seashell with an amethyst stone where she sits down so that she knows, "Money is all around me. Money's every... is all around me." (Brad: Yeah.) And I was like, "I think, I can do that. I need to put money just everywhere." (Lesley laughs) Would have been really helpful this weekend, when I left for different state without any credit cards whatsoever, I would have been really helpful. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  I know, I know and I was like, "Here Babe, here's all the cash I have," I'm sure it was like $17 or something ... (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  Thank you, you gave me that $17 because I was able to buy a cup of coffee. But I really did trust us like, "Money is all around, it's gonna be here." Anyways, I think that that's a really cool thing that people could do, it wasn't a BE IT action item. But like, if there is something that makes you smile, or if there is a scent that makes you feel a certain way, or like pick something, put it where you sit, put it where you are, so that you have this reminder of the desired state you want to be in.Brad Crowell  Especially, I think aroma therapy is so good at this, you know, it is like, you know, it can transport you to a different place with that. I think music can do this too. But to actually see something like a physical item that is there that can also be a really great trigger.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love that. What is something you loved that she said?Brad Crowell  You know, I I'm always into getting out meeting people, you know, my, my, one of my strengths is "WOO," right, "Winning Others Over." So, I love to be in a room and meeting everybody. And she said something that I thought was really, really strategic in building a network. You know, when she first moved to Los Angeles, she said she was a doctor, she moved there and she didn't really know that many people. And she wanted to start meeting people. So she started networking. And so she would going she would go to these meetups, but her her friends were going her medical doctor friends who are going to meetups, we're going to medical meetups, and she said, "I intentionally chose business meetups, because I (a) I knew that doctors weren't ever going to become my patients down the road. And (b) you know, I knew that if I was gonna run a business, I was going to need help doing it. And I didn't know anybody to help me with it at all. So, I thought well, I might as well go meet people who do business stuff." And so she was in the room intentionally trying to meet people who were not like her. And I thought that was just really (Lesley: Oh, yeah) smart. It was like, Oh, yeah, that's, that's kind of obvious when you say it like that. But that's a great thing to be self aware enough to do that.Lesley Logan  It's something that I you know, this is not a Pilates business podcast. But so that Pilates friends out there, the teachers, the teachers listening, this is something I see constantly, they spend a lot of time in Pilates teachers' forums, and then their (Brad: Sure) selling to other Pilates teachers. (Brad: Right) But those teachers are not going to be your clients. (Brad: Right) So, it's really okay to spend time in other groups (Brad: Yeah) because even if those people don't become your clients, they could be the people who are the keys to the clients, you're going to have ... (Brad: Yeah, they'll connect the dots for you) I just say that because it's so true. Like we really need to put ourselves in rooms with people who don't do what we do, because it actually allows us to grow the thing that we're going to do.Brad Crowell  100% and and, you know, now she said, from those meetups, which, what she says 2010 or so like (Lesley: Yeah) 10 years ago. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? She's not only working with some of the people that she met, but she has some of those people have become clients too. So you know, it was a definitely forward thinking long term concept. But, you know, set herself up. So, bravo for her. I thought that was amazing. And, we can all be doing that too, even if it's not, even if we don't have any underlying, you know, specific reasons do it, you know, going to hang out with other musicians is great. But going and hanging out with maybe comedians is could also ... (Lesley: Right, because you could ...) a different perspective.Lesley Logan  Well, 'cause some comedians are adding music. So they'd be like, (Brad: Sure) "Oh, man you write a song for this," like, it's just really cool to put yourself in other people's arenas and and you just learn a lot, you there's just a lot you and I also find that you can have a better outlook on the thing that it is that you're doing when you hang out other people because it's, it's easy when you're hanging out people who already do what you do, to go into, "This is going wrong and this is going wrong" because they understand they don't, you don't have to explain anything. But when you are in a different arena, and you are talking to someone who doesn't even know what it is that you do, of course, you want to talk about it in this like, "Awesome," like because you want to go, "My job sucks." (Lesley laughs) You like want to say like, "Oh, I really love about this, and I get to do this. And this is really exciting." And so it does help you meet more people. And so whether you go into other rooms, because you're looking for friends, or you're looking for networking, it is an awesome idea. I think it's really great. So go do it. (Brad: Yeah) Let us know how it goes.Brad Crowell  Well, let's talk about the BE IT action items. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Kelly Bender? And I'll go first she, she said the she was talking about chatting with those other people. And she said, "Be curious," you know, that's the best way to connect with others is to be curious about them. And ask them questions, you know, genuinely ask them questions and learn about them and let them share with with you. And, I think that that's something that's applicable across the board. You know, ... when we have, I'm really guilty of this, I think I spend some time thinking about the thing, whatever the thing is, and I make a decision and I say, "This is the most efficient, this is the best way, this is the right way, this is the whatever you however you want to call it. This is how it should be done. Or this is how it is or this is you know, whatever." And then we we're like, "Great. I've ... made that decision moving on," then you don't think about it again. Right? And there's, you know, that maybe maybe you got it right. But maybe there's another way, maybe there's a better way who knows, right?Lesley Logan  Here what it's so freakin' funny. I just spent the weekend in Dallas, my friend Erika Quest, she was on the ... on the show earlier in the season. And she, whenever she talks about Brad, she's like, "Brad is literally the definition of curiosity." (Brad laughs) She's like, "Brad walked in to our backyard. And he is just like, curious about this plant and he's curious about this plant. And he researches this." And like, if you ask, like, "I wonder, how I can do this?" He's like, "You know, how we could do that?" And like you have you actually (Brad laughs) have a lot of curiosity. And she's like, "When is he going to tattoo?" Like curiosity on him because like that he is just like such that person. But I do think when it comes to like your own, like the way you do things in your house, or the way things you do in your business, it's easy to get set in your ways. (Brad: Yeah) But putting you you put yourself in situations that are unfamiliar, you are very curious. So, I think ...Brad Crowell  That's true. Yeah, I mean, especially when you're unfamiliar, you know, it kind of forces you to be curious to to survive. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's, that's if you're if you're trying to figure out how you can be more curious, go to a meetup or people you don't know. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  Yeah. But I really love... she was just like (Brad: Yeah), "Ask questions." And we talked about this in the podcast already. But just a reminder, in case you're only listen to recaps, if you go, "I'm an introvert, I'm shy," whatever. Being curious, you can be introverted and shy. (Brad: Yeah) You just have to go, "Oh, tell me more about that. Oh, what's that like? Oh, are you having fun with that? Oh, how long you've been doing that for?" Like, you can just like ...Brad Crowell  One of the things that I asked which is really kind of started off in a snarky way. And now has become something that I just asked because it's turned into a great question is, "Is that a good thing?" (Lesley: Oh) Right? Because people make a statement and, and then I can't decide .... Like at first I was like, you know, kind of razzing him because it clearly didn't sound like it was a good thing. But now it's like, you know, because because it it kind of is a question that puts people that makes them think through, "Is it a good thing?" You know, and then they actually have to pause think about it and then respond to that. So that's another easy way to ask ...Lesley Logan  We're gonna have to put like Brad's conversation starter questions into (Brad laughs) a lead magnet. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Is that a good thing?Lesley Logan  Yeah, it is. I think everyone for holiday parties is gonna be like, "Ah, how do I get this conversation going?" (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  That's pretty funny. I love that. Well, what about you, what what's your BE IT takeaway?Lesley Logan  I love to know yourself one. I think that this is a an obvious one and also like, "How and the heck do you do this?" And, I also think that you're if you're curious, you're going to constantly learning about yourself, you're gonna learn some things about yourself and you change a lot and different environments you kind of change where you maybe feel more comfortable where you don't. And so just knowing yourself and knowing like, "How many hours can I teach in front of people?" This is my question I asked myself going into this weekend before I'm like, "I need to be by myself" and I really was set up for success for this weekend. It was so fun, I only had a couple hours in a row and then I got a break and I was like, "Yep, that's where I'm at right now" and like just knowing that so then I got an email like, "Can you come teach us thing?" It's like four hours and a half and I was like, "Hmm, here's what I can do? I can totally do. Is there a way we can just split that up into two blocks?" Because I know myself and so I'm not saying yes to things that are going to possibly make stress me out or (Brad: Yeah) make me upset that I like change the boundary about myself. So the more you know about yourself the easier to say yes to things especially for those of you who are wanting to start some sort of side hustle like if you know you are not a night person when it comes to ideas. Really try to do yourself a favor to find "a morning" not every morning "a morning" where you can focus on that side hustle. If you know that like you get stressed out when the kids are around that is not the time to sit down and like swallow the frog and like work on the hard thing like that's the time to clean your inbox out. Make a fun game and so just really knowing what makes what lights your fire, what brings you joy, brings you energy. Kind of go back to the Rob Mack ... episode I think he's episode three and (Brad: I want to say two. Was it two?) No, no cuz two is a recap. Odds are guest interviews.Brad Crowell  Oh, right. Yes. (Lesley: Yes) The actual episode number three. (Lesley: Yeah) Nailed it. Nailed it.Lesley Logan  I'm so good. Anyways, he has happiness values and happiness islands and so he also did that as like confidence values, as a confidence islands on a talk you for Agency members. And so I think, one you're going to be constantly learning who you are. But if you are curious you will (Brad: Right) and you just keep making tweaks and changes like the beautiful thing going back to Erika Quest actually since we just spent the weekend together. She quotes Humble the Poet all the time. "We are not concrete, we are a construct and so the more you learn about yourself the changes that you'll make and then you'll experience that new change you made" and then you'll go, "Oh, oh I actually really liked that but I like it with water. Thank you." (Brad laughs) Like you're just gonna keep doing it. So, I say, "Know yourself that is a best way to be it till you see it."Brad Crowell  That's a that is amazing. And it's funny that's actually helped us with our business and our marriage because you're you are a morning ideas person and I am an a night ideas person. And so, you know, I know that I'm like completely ineffective in a brainstorming conversation first thing when I wake up, and you know, conversely, you are ineffective in at night when you're like, "I'm done. I'm ready to go to bed." (Lesley: Yeah. So we made it 10am) And yeah, so we we intentionally meet during the afternoon when both of us are firing at all cylinders because we know ourselves now.Lesley Logan  Right. And we don't try to change the other person. And I think that that's really key in any partnership, marriage or business. It's just if you can find a compromise, the middle of the day is really nice. And that might mean we can't meet with other people. But that's okay. (Brad: Yeah) That's what other times for. Yeah.Brad Crowell  I love it.Lesley Logan  I love this. I love the episode so much. Thank you, Dr. Kelly Bender for being our guests. And y'all, I want to know, Brad and I want to know how are you going to use these BE IT action in your life? Screenshot this. Tag us on Instagram. Tell us how you're going to use them and also tag Dr. Kelly Bender so that she can hear about it, too. It's going to bring her so much joy. (Brad: Totally) I just want to say this because it's so important that you know, every time you share this podcast, it is like gold. It is such amazing like you couldn't add more value if you wanted to. Like the best thing you can do for this podcast on any podcast you like is share it like even if you start in a text message, you talk about it. It's how the podcast grows. (Brad: Yeah) And we're on a mission to get hundred written reviews. 100 written reviews. So keep posting those because not only does it brighten my day, but it actually helps us get other guests and get other listeners to this podcast. We could bring more amazing episodes into your ears wherever you are in this world. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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Brad & Lesley recall the last episode's interview with coaching savant Kareen Walsh. They cover tons of book and podcast recommendations (see below!), evaluate the roles they each play in their business, and taking a moment to look back at how everything is going.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Brad's book recommendationLesley's many, many book and podcast recommendationsKareen Walsh is a Jedi KnightWhat role do you want to play in your business?You don't have to be the CEOTake a moment to look back and evaluate your businessTaking a pauseEpisode References/Links:FREE Habits Webinar with Lesley (Sep 7, 2021)The Replaceable Founder by Ari MeiselBreath: The New Science of a Lost Art by James NestorThe Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters by Bernadette Dunne, Priya ParkerUnlocking Us podcast with Brené BrownKareen's podcast, Your Badass JourneyKareen's Reflections JourneyHappiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment by Robert MackIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the entrepreneurial conversation I had with Kareen Walsh in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, well, you can pause this, you can find it, listen to it, and just put this up in the queue next, there's like a way to go play next. Or you can listen to this. Go listen to that one. Or you can start any order you want. This is your life and we are just here to help you Be It Till You See It. SoBrad Crowell  That's true.Lesley Logan  Is literally what we're here to do. Okay, hun, guess what's happening?Brad Crowell  Tell me!Lesley Logan  Oh, you know.Brad Crowell  I know (Lesley: Okay) it's coming up in five days.Lesley Logan  Five days. Alright, y'all, I am on a mission. I'm on a mission because I want to help you Be It Till You See It. And I know that is so easy to be inspired to hear all these takeaways and then go to put things in action and then somedays you don't feel motivated to do what you want to do. And other days you just feel like the world against you. And also there's a whole situation on how long does it take to like make this become something that's routine, sort of think about it - because decision fatigue. And anyways, I'm about to blow your mind for free on September 7, in our Myth Busting Habits webinar. Again, it's free, it is on September 7, there is a three day replay. And you all can join me on this hopefully live, I really hope so we try to pick a time that most parts of Australia are awake. Sorry, Perth, I just don't even know what timezone you're on. I love you and I really am trying but if I go too much later, then we lose all of Europe, all of it. (Brad: It's true) And so this is the best we can do. It's a one hour webinar, you go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits, that's OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits to sign up for this free webinar and... (Brad: Plural) Yeah, it's plural. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, it's also in the show notes, just click the link in the show notes. You just do the little swipey-up thing and like hit it and you can sign in. It's because it's free. You don't even have to have your credit card handy. You can do this on your phone. And then set a time to watch it if you're not gonna watch it live with us because there's a three day replay "only." (Brad: Yes) But it's gonna be a lot of fun. And I I want you to join live as you can, because I would like you to, to say, "This what I've been trying to make happen and I can't make it happen. Let's break it down!" We're gonna have time to do that with everyone's desire. So anyways, I'm ready. Ready!Brad Crowell  I'm excited. I mean, I think it's gonna be great to to dig into how we actually make habits.Lesley Logan  I think that you are actually gonna really love it. I haven't... To be honest, y'all, while we live together, work together, and we are married. I haven't really been sharing a lot of this with him. (Brad: No) He just hears me chat about it with the team. I'm like, "We got to do it like this. We got to do it like this, because it's gonna help people make it easier, make it a habit." And they're just looking at like, I'm crazy. And so everyone's gonna get their mind blown on September 7.Brad Crowell  Mind blown.Lesley Logan  Mind blown. In the best way kind of mind blowing up version. So anywaysBrad Crowell  I love it.Lesley Logan  What was our question this week?Brad Crowell  Yeah, we actually had a great audience question this week from Helen Lamphere. She DM us on the IG. (Lesley: Yeah) And the grammage...Lesley Logan  @be_it_pod is our handle for the podcast on IG.Brad Crowell  And you can ask any question that you want from us about anything and we will, you know, happily work it into episodes that are coming upLesley Logan  Life, business, romance, Pilates. (Brad: Hmm. Spicy) Spicy. (Brad: Ah) Love, I love dating advices. It's really fun for me.Brad Crowell  Today's question from Helen Lamphere is, "What are your favorite books that you would recommend?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, okay, well, you go first.Brad Crowell  Okay, cool. So as you know, I'm a process guy that's like my jam. I definitely like the the idea of getting out of the way and letting automation take over. So we use a tool for our project management that allows us the the, the option of replacing ourselves, and that's a weird idea. And that idea is explained in detail in a book by Ari Meisel called The Replaceable Founder. That was very inspirational to me. It's only a it's a quick read. It's a short book. It's an easy audio listen. And the general idea is create a systematic approach to the things that you're doing so that you can think through how to do it well, right, easy, whatever. And then how can you replace yourself in that. Now, whether you're replacing yourself with full blown automation, or you're replacing yourself with another person on your team who's joining your team, the idea is as the founder of a business, you can't do it all and you basically need to swap yourself out in a way that is manageable by somebody else. So that is an amazing book for all you entrepreneurs out there that I would recommend.Lesley Logan  Cool. And you know what, even if you're not an entrepreneur, and you are someone who has a lot of things to do, and you are wishing that people would help you around the house, around your life, around things, I still think it's worth watching, reading. (Brad: Yeah) Watch it, you read it, or you can listen to it on audible. Because you can think about "Gosh, I can never have someone who cleans my house the way I cleaned my house." Well, you can (Brad: You totally can) if you do this approach from that book. So just for the non entrepreneurs out there, that's still a good read. Okay, well, I'm gonna I have a few books because (Brad: Oh) I love to read...Brad Crowell  She does. She reads all the time.Lesley Logan  I'm usually reading between two and three books at one time. So first up, Breathe, James Nestor, you're welcome. Changing your life, you're frickin' welcome. I am actually taking a breathwork certification because I'm obsessed with this book. So I don't care if you're into Pilates movement or not. It is awesome. Next book that I recommend to everybody, (Brad: everybody) everybody that's how many people, The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. Ah, if you do listen to that one on audible, I highly recommend at least 1.4 maybe 1.5. He is like a grandpa reading you a story. And I the reason I say listen to it is if you are someone who is a perfectionist, overachiever, who's super hard on yourself, you're going to read that book with this tone of voice. That's a little bit like judgy. And why I like his voice is he's "grandpa" and he's like giving you stuff, but it does needed to be sped up a little bit. And it's all about how we get in our own way when we get outside of our comfort zone. So we all are told, "Life happens on the other side of the comfort zone," but then it's scary. And so some of us like self-deprecate when that happens to bring ourselves down, we worry, (Brad: Sure) I'm a worrier. As soon as something goes good, I start worried about something else. It's gonna go bad. And I've been, I don't know, I'm pat myself on the back, I'd say "I've been doing pretty good" since acknowledging that. But there's a bunch of other things maybe you pick fights with people when life is going really good and you get a fight with someone - that's called upper limiting yourself. So highly recommend that for anyone who is wanting to be recovered perfectionist and overachiever. I'm gonna keep going because this is my show. (Brad laughs) I also really am super super into as far as business books go, I've just started The Messy Middle and obsessed. Obsessed everyone. (Brad: Yeah) It is...Brad Crowell  I just downloaded that. I haven't started it yet but... (Lesley: I know) she told me yesterday, "You got to read this book..."Lesley Logan  Gotta read this book. (Brad: Okay) I'm like nine pages in and it's like making my whole world, makes sense because we're in the middle right now. And sometimes I just feel like, it's like a frickin' bipolar of emotions. It's like up, it's down. It's up. It's down. And then you just go "Oh, that's that's actually how business is." So for those of you who are trying to make something in your life or business and you're like, "Somedays are good, Somedays are hell." Yep, you're in it. Welcome to the middle. (Brad laughs) So I just wanted something that would like make me feel good about myself. And then lastly, as this is coming out, you know, towards the end of like, it's like, what is it almost the fourth quarter? It's called The Art of Gathering and it is by Priya something. Her name is not coming to me, but she's amazing. I heard her on Brené Brown's podcast and to be honest... (Brad: Priya Parker) Thank you! Priya Parker.Brad Crowell  The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It MattersLesley Logan  Yeah. So it literally goes into details about having like if you're going to have a small dinner party, what are the size and this is not like Suzy homemaker, what are the sizes... (Brad: What are the size?) the size of the party, like if you're... (Brad: It's what is the size of the party?) what is the size, like if you're gonna have people over for a home dinner party, the size does matter, too small and it's like a double date, too big and now it's a party and then there's different things and it goes over like how to be a good host because if you're not a host, someone will become a host because it's just how human beings are and that can upset the applecart and just she shares all these different things. She also has a... I'm just gonna put this out there. Priya, if you're listening, or if anyone knows Priya Parker (don't tell her I didn't know her last name...) And I I want her on the show because I I really, she has this incredible life y'all. She was raised by two, like her parents got married but they like on religious reasons, get along on no levels. Like one of them was raised, like from India, so like, doesn't eat meat, her dad's from the Midwest and he's like super Christian. And like, somehow they got married. And then she became this like, negotiator for the government because obviously, like she grew up in like a household, that'd be negotiated all the time. And so she wrote this book, and she shares her personal stories, and I don't care if you're in business, or just someone who wants to have people over your house. Great book!Brad Crowell  CoolLesley Logan  OkayBrad Crowell  RightLesley Logan  That's my list.Brad Crowell  Amazing!Lesley Logan  Thanks for that question.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's a great list, I am in. (Lesley: Yeah) We'll make sure to put all the links to those in the show notes. So you don't have to worry about writing them down or kicking the table. I mean, or anything else like that. (Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Sorry, I kicked the table) (Brad laughs) All right. Let's talk about Kareen Walsh here. If Jedi Knights were real, Kareen Walsh would be one of them. She has this uncanny ability to envision the possibilities around any venture that you map out with her. She uses that foresight with her clients, whether coaching one on one or working with a trillion dollar company. Yes, I said trillion with a T she works with more than one, to make your life easier and more fulfilling, while staying efficient and productive. Her coaching has changed our lives. And we are so, like lucky to have been able to coach one on one with her because she works with C level execs from these massive, massive companies that have you know, like 10,000 employees and stuff like that. So having her take a look at what we are doing was mind blowing.Lesley Logan  So, clearly Brad writes the Bios (Brad laughs) on this, (Brad: Yeah) because I have no idea what a Jedi is (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  I definitely referenced Star Wars in there. (Lesley: I can't wait for you to hear this.) Lesley Logan  Um yeah, no, Kareen definitely changed our lives. And this is like the power of just being connected to people and also believing that everything happens for you like what we got to do with her in 2020, I mean, I can't even imagine how it would have happened, the other way that was planned - it like was it was totally different. So anyways, that has nothing to this podcast, but just a side note of like she she did change our lives and and, you know, you just got to trust how all the dominoes fall. So here's something I want to talk about that I loved. What role do you want to play in your business? You talked about this a bit. And, and she would do like details on on like, you know, evaluating it and all this stuff. And, and when we say she changed our lives, y'all I used to be the CEO of our company and I, I had crazy imposter syndrome around it. It was really like, causing me stress and anxiety. I everything I would read about CEOs. In fact, I was actually listening to Brad's current CEO coach, like I had downloaded all of his freebies, I listen to every podcast he was on, and I was like, "Okay, I'm learning how to hug a cactus and be a CEO," and I just hated it. And we met with Kareen. She had this this simple thing and when we did it, he's... Brad is the CEO. I was like...Brad Crowell  She's like, "By the way, have you thought about switching roles?" (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And we're like, "Can we do that?"Lesley Logan  Can we do that? Can I not be the CEO of my own company? And it's and it's so funny, because I've now met so many female founders who aren't, they are the visionaries. And (Brad: Yeah) and so I left that meeting being the CPO and that felt really good.Brad Crowell  CPO stands for Chief Product Officer.Lesley Logan  Or we call the Chief Pilates Officer because it just sounds like more applicable, applicable. And anyways, I changed my role this year.Brad Crowell  When did you do that?Lesley Logan  Just a couple weeks ago, actually, (Brad: Yeah) like maybe a month ago, I was just like, evaluating how things felt to my body and how the business felt. And I and then I heard that Simon Sinek said, "There should be a CVO," and I was like, "Tell me more. I'm already interested." Chief Visionary Officer, I'm like, that's exactly what I do. And I am stoked about it. So it's so no matter how big or small your businesses, pick the title that makes you feel like you can show up and shine. No, don't pick the one you think you deserve. Pick the one that makes you feel you can show up and shine. And that's what I'm so glad she brought that up. What did you love that she said?Brad Crowell  Yeah, well, I just wanted to comment on that a little more. I definitely you know, if you are a small team, or a one person team, this, the I.. the idea here is you don't need to wear all the hats. Again, going back to my book reference, you know, you don't have to be the website builder and the video editor and the you know, instructor and the, you know, finance person, all that kind of stuff. You can definitely switch roles and, you know, become something that actually lights your fire inside of your business. And so it was a weird permission structure, I mean, it sounds so obvious when you're talking about like this, but we were stuck in this preconception that, you know, well, Lesley started a company, so therefore, she's clearly the CEO. And then my history, my background is operations, so I must be the COO, you know. And, and what we, what we identified was it that wasn't serving the business. And it was easy, it would make way more sense to literally change hats and and then that allowed us to immediately begin restructuring workload and changing things out. So it was a major change for us, it actually made life easier for both of us. (Lesley: Oh, 100%) And move the business forward. So yeahLesley Logan  It leaps and bounds.Brad Crowell  Yeah, cool. I really loved actually, you just literally hinted at it. Kareen said, an annual evaluation. And I thought, this is interesting, to, you know, how, how often do we, you know, just keep living and doing and whatever. And we don't actually take a moment to, to look back at our last year, and evaluate right. And what she was specifically referencing was her. She had a very explosive, corporate career prior to becoming an entrepreneur and doing all these amazing things she's doing now, she at a very young age and early 20s was like, like jumping the corporate ladder with leaps and bounds. And she said how she did that was she was, was definitely not. She never felt stuck in a position, right? She was like, "Is the position I'm in? Is the role I'm playing? Is it serving me? Have I learned what I need to learn from it? Have I outgrown it? If I mastered these things? What would I like to be learning next? And what is the opportunity that would provide the learning that I want?" Right? And so it wasn't this, like, hope that they give me a raise, and maybe I'll get more responsibility. And like, you know, I'm on this career path of 10, 20, 30 years. No, she was extremely aggressive. And in that, and when she felt that she had gotten everything that she needed out of the role, she started figuring out how to move on and move up. And so she changed companies, she moved around the country, she moved from San Francisco to New York, like did all these kinds of things. And I think they moved to Colorado in there somewhere. Anyway, they were not feeling they weren't, they weren't stuck. And I thought that was really incredible, to... I think that it's worth putting this on your calendar as an annual event. Now, whether that's over the New Years, or whatever, but like, there needs to be a moment of reflection, looking back on what it is you're doing. Why are you doing it? Are you still doing it for you know, the reasons that you, you know, we're doing it the first time because we change, life changes, situations change, that affects everything. And, you know, looking at, "Is this still serving me? What would I rather be doing?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's just such a good thing. And I and I, when I've heard her story a few times now between her podcast, our podcast and just knowing her. She had this like, natural drive to go, "Okay, well, I've, I've gone as far as I can hear, I gotta, I gotta go on." And I think a lot of times, we tend to wait, like, we're like, (Brad: Yeah) "Oh what's gonna happen? Maybe I should wait." Or I see a lot of people waiting to be kind of almost like, recognized or promoted as something that like, doesn't, it's not there. And there's, there's reasons to continue waiting, like maybe the reflection you're like," I'm not ready to move on. I'm not ready to move." I'm not you know, and that's also fine, too, but so important that it's an annual evaluation, because otherwise...Brad Crowell  I don't think if I don't think that I would have stayed in my old job as long as I have had stayed were I evaluating every year. Because I probably would have gone, "Who am I anymore? I don't even know myself. I can't believe what you know where what path I'm on right now. This doesn't fit me, doesn't serve me." But the only thing I could see was I got I get a paycheck here and I need to pay my bills and I have debt. So I've got I've got to stick around because this is a secure income.Lesley Logan  Oh my God, can you imagine that people do this in like relationships and stuff? Because I think (Brad: Right) my previous relationship, how I'd done an annual evaluation I probably wouldn't like "Woo." (Brad: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's...) Maybe don't sign that lease together. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well, and I think if you're a fitness instructor, which I know a lot of you are listening to this, you know, maybe it's a, maybe it's like group classes, and you're like, "I don't really enjoy these," you know, so you can stop. Maybe it's teaching out of your home, maybe it's teaching, maybe you're driving to somebody else's house to teach them, maybe it's one specific client is no longer serving you because they're insane. And they cause you a ton of stress. Like, I don't know what it is. But when you when you take a closer look at what you're doing, why you're doing it, you know, is it still serving you? (Lesley: Yeah) SoLesley Logan  I'm into it. I'm into it.Brad Crowell  I thought it was powerful.Lesley Logan  I really I hope if you if you listen to this, you decided to annual value evaluation for your life. I definitely want to know, and I want you to set the date, screenshot it, make sure it says repeat and it has it on there. It's yeah, I mean, there's another girl that I've been wanting to have on the podcast who has an evaluation that she does monthly. And it really because it's you know, and I won't give it away, but there's just different ways to do it. So pick one, whether it's Kareen's, or someone else who you love and, and do it so that you're not just like waking up one day going "Woo, it's been four years of this job and now I have no idea where I want to go."Brad Crowell  All right, well, finally, let's talk about the Be It action items that you discussed with Kareen. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that convo?Lesley Logan  I'm going first.Brad Crowell  Do it. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Um, my biggest takeaway was, I mean, we just kind of talked about a little bit, but it's taking a pause. She talked about taking a pause. (Brad: Yeah) And using her retrospective exercise, which by the way, is in the show notes. So click on it because she has some great freebies y'all, just like dive in. I don't care entrepreneur or not go through it, because her retrospective exercise is something that I use.Brad Crowell  It's a great toolLesley Logan  I must use it weekly sometimes because it involves celebration and I'm really big on that right now. And also like just being aware, so I kind of do it as a weekly thing. And also, like on a monthly thing that goes for the year. It's a whole thing that I do but anyways, have fun...Brad Crowell  She's got she's got a free PDF, you can download. It's in the show notes. And it allows you to, it's kind of a guided process of reflecting, like we were just talking about.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So anyways, and also just taking a pause, we just came back from a Maui trip. And it's, it's so good to just get, just get out of your routine, get out of your regular four walls, get out and just, it just take a moment to see what you miss, to see what you really like. And I just there's a lot that happens in pauses, like I get the best ideas, not like head down in my computer (Brad: Yeah) you now kind of thing. What did you like most your Be It action item you wanna talk about?Brad Crowell  Yeah, so she said at the very end, "Be it, being it is truly showing up in your truest version of yourself." And the way she said it, I was like, "Yeah, yeah, that." And then I was thinking I was like, "What the hell does that mean?" Right? Like, like, "What does it mean to show up in the truest version of yourself?" Um, and it...Lesley Logan  Yeah, I just want to say, I think like, a lot of people listening probably heard that. And, and I agree, it's like, "Yes, absolutely be the truest version of yourself." But I think some times we nod our head then we absolutely have to be myself....Brad Crowell  To be the truest version of myself. But then it's like, well, what, what is the truest version of myself and, and for me, personally, I find it a little harder to identify, like, "This is who I am, concrete in the sand." But I, I found it a lot easier to reflect back on situations where I clearly knew I was not being the truest version of myself. For example, my old job, you know, we did a lot of things with my old job that I wasn't comfortable with, when it came to morality, and like contracts and partnerships and all this stuff. You know, and, and I'm not going to get into the specifics of digging up, you know, all this old stuff. But the the truth is, when I was doing my job, I consistently disagreed with my boss, consistently, for years. And I was like, "That's not how I would do it. That's not how I would do it. That's not how I would do it." Right? But again, I felt like I need to get paid, and I'm here to do a job and I told him, I would do it, so I'm gonna do it. But then the way that we went around doing it, I was not excited about, you know. And it it caused me stress and it caused me anxiety sometimes, you know, and, and, and sometimes it wasn't like, like, we weren't, we weren't out there intentionally, you know, messing people over, but it also like, sometimes it was like, if I'm going to hire a team, and I'm going to let the team do, you know, work together, I'm gonna let the person who's running that team, hire the team, instead of me hiring him and going, you work for her now. Right? And because then now you're saddling two people together, they might not actually work well together, you know... stuff like that. There was so many situations where I was like, "That's not how I would do it." Anyway, when I, when I finally left that job, it took a solid six months for me to decompress and decide what was a normal amount of stress again, and then move forward with, you know, running my own businesses, and then eventually joining Lesley. And now, today, it has, it's a night and day difference between who I was even four years ago, and who I am today, even though I'm doing actually quite similar things, and in the process of how I'm doing, it's just now the way I'm doing it is it fits with who I am. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's a long winded response to how do you identify the truest version of yourself, but I think that you can look at what made you uncomfortable in the past, and you can at least start there.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think that's actually for a lot of people, it is harder to identify what is and versus what's not. And so, you know, focus on what you're not. And then you know, you'll start to see the truest version of yourself. And also, I think, focus on your values like that, if you can get really clear on what your values are and (Brad: Yeah) what they're not, that really can help you show up as your truest self because you won't, you won't change who you won't change your you won't, you won't show up as having values that you don't, or like normally resonate with. So anyways, that's another tip on on that, but I hear you, it's really, it's really hard. When you feel like, "I've got to do this on social media, or I've got to do this to get people in my classes or I got to do this." And one of the things I tell people all the time is like, "Do not wear a cropped-top on social media if you don't wanna wear a cropped-top." Like...Brad Crowell  Oh, I was just thinking about Erika Quest and her her comment about wearing skimpy clothes (Lesley: Yeah) and like, you know, is that ... is that her MO like, clearly it's not her vibe, and that doesn't make her feel comfortable. So she doesn't do that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So like, honestly, if it, if it is easier to figure out, like what doesn't vibe with you? And then you can start to like look at things and get really clear and maybe it's it maybe that's your own journey that you've got to go on the next few months is like, "When do I feel like I'm actually my the most truest version of myself?" Yeah, Rob Mack's happiness, health and values, it's the same thing with what you can do the same thing with like, your when do you feel like your truest version of yourself. So think about people in your life, that when you show up, do you feel like you'd put on a show or you feel like you'd be somebody else, and then people places in your life where you feel like you are the most version of yourself and then just start to identify what those are so that you can go on this exploration of feeling what that is, because I agree with Kareen, being it is truly showing up.Brad Crowell  Yeah, you know what, I didn't even think of the family context. But I have I bet that is way more relatable to most people than a work context, you know, and in... (Lesley: Thank you) Yeah, and in most in most situations, you know, there is like an ob... obligation to, to be there and put on a smiley face and whatever, but, but um, you know, it doesn't have to, you know, you can limit the amount of time you're talking, spending with family, if it really is a lot of butting heads. And if you're working in a job that you are consistently feeling like, "This is against my morality, the way we're doing things here." You have, you can leave, (Lesley: Yeah) you can leave and I know that it's a scary thing. But there are other options out there and whether that is getting another job or working for yourself or whatever. You know, the only way you're gonna get out is if you start planning an exit strategy now. (Lesley: Yeah) So...Lesley Logan  Well, this is so fun. I thoroughly love talking to Kareen. I was honored that she would say yes, and y'all there are so many (Brad: Yeah, she's awesome) ways you can connect with her. Whether you're an entrepreneur or not, like you got gotta go and binge out on her Badass Journey podcast. She's got a new situation coming out, but there's some great, great episodes in there. So please check her out. And you know, let us know what your what you're doing here. Okay, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today and all the days that you join us. We are truly grateful to do this podcast for you. Please screenshot this episode. Put your takeaway on there, tag @be_it_pod. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  See you soon.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.Brad Crowell  And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In Episode 19 of the Podcast I sit down with Rob Mack, Ivy-League-Educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach and Published Author of Happiness From the Inside Out. You might have also seen Rob on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E! Network, and OWN! Rob and I sit down to chat about changing the narrative around mental health, how his definition of happiness has evolved over the past few years, the difference between peace and happiness, some overlooked basic principles for obtaining happiness, how to navigate feeling alone in your healing journey and so much more! Watch the video version of the podcast on my Youtube Channel or at the link below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSTW_EDhm4Q&t=9s  To learn more about Rob be sure to check out his IG page @robmackofficial or visit his website, www.coachrobmack.com for more information about working wit Rob and purchasing his book! Be sure to follow my Instagram @briannadiorio for all the Brianna Approved educational content! You can visit my website www.briannadiorio.com for previous blog posts Production Manager and Graphics @kylediorio

Brad & LL break down that fantastic convo from last episode with Erica Hood, digging into manifestation vs taking action, reviewing Erica's three step prep formula to taking that messy action, how to invest in yourself and when it's time to STOP learning more and just get started.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Manifesting is good, but take the action3 step prep formula for taking messy actionInvesting in yourself by stepping out of your comfort zoneSurround yourself with good peopleTaking action vs learning moreReferences/Links:Samantha Skelly https://www.samanthaskelly.com/If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebook LinkedInTranscription:Brad Crowell 0:00  Again, go ahead. You got to make it a real clap.Lesley Logan 0:08I don't. You clap. You hit your hand.Brad Crowell 0:10I do. I clap. It's like a cup. Yeah. Okay, well if they can't learn with the audio with 75 claps. I don't know.Lesley Logan 0:20  I don't think I learn how to clap like that. Anyways, okay. Here we go.Lesley Logan 0:27  Are you ready?Brad Crowell 0:29I am ready.Lesley Logan 0:33  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the super fun combo I had with my really good friend Erica Hood in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us or be like me, listen to this. See how much you love it and then go back knowing like all the good stuff. That's how I like to do this. (Brad: You know?) Yeah. Just read the end first. Okay. But first, Brad, we had an audience question to respond to.Brad Crowell 1:04  I believe we did.Lesley Logan 1:07  Oh, yeah. So um, what do we do for fun? That's what they want to know. They want to know what we do for fun.Brad Crowell 1:13  Fun? We don't have fun.Lesley Logan 1:14  Well, I think we're super fun. But it's a really interesting question coming out of COVID. I feel like, I feel like we made a lot of things fun during COVID, where you had to get really creative, like, we made watching every night time TV show the day after a good time, because we don't have a TV. But now that COVID is, you know, kind of going...Brad Crowell 1:41  Slowly, slowly, you know, riding off into the sunset.Lesley Logan 1:45  Yeah. Or at least letting us go out in the world. I feel like we have a lot of fun things we've got planned.Brad Crowell 1:51  Yeah, I think, I think well, the reality is that, you know, while COVID is starting to be handled here in the US, but not internationally. And I think what we used to do for fun was travel. (Lesley: Yeah) And so since our travel has been extremely curtailed for the past year.Lesley Logan 2:10  Understatement of the year.Brad Crowell 2:15  You know, what have we been doing for fun has been actually, we moved and so now, we have a space house to turn into our home.Lesley Logan 2:29  Yeah.Brad Crowell 2:30  That has been a lot of the fun that we've been having while we've been staying inside.Lesley Logan 2:36  Yeah, because we've actually been nesting and decorating. You're on a cactus mission.Brad Crowell 2:43  Oh, I am on a cactus mission. And by the way, if you are, if you are watching this on YouTube, you can see our podcast room, our office is finally taking shape. We've got fun things hanging behind us such as guitars and things.Lesley Logan 2:57  Well, pretty soon one of my things will be hung up. I'm very excited for, stay tuned YouTubers, what is behind me will change and I'm very stoked about that. But yeah, I think right now what we do for fun is very different than we used to do for fun and very much of a period fun thing because as soon as we can get out in our van. Yeah, we have a van y'all. Right now. It is not hashtag van life. It's definitely hashtag cargo van life, but it's gonna be van life. And that's gonna be worth taking out and going to all the national parks and having a lot of fun.Brad Crowell 3:32  Yeah, yeah. So we've taken a few trips with the van. In fact, just last week, I did it 1100 mile drive. No, this week.Lesley Logan 3:45  Well, when they listen to it, it's another week. (Brad: Yeah) But it's fine.Brad Crowell 3:46  1100 miles drove up over the mountains like through Yosemite, to Northern California and then came back down the five and came under the mountains through the Mojave. Or sorry, through Death Valley to get back to I guess it was the Mojave actually to get back to Vegas. Anyway, so driving, I know that's weird to say that's fun, but I love being on the road. I love moving around. And soLesley Logan 4:16  We love packing a suitcase. (Brad: Yeah) Unpacking not so fun for us, but packing it and taking it with us places. We have so much fun doing that and stay tuned as soon as we can, we'll take this show on the road (Brad: Oh, yeah!) like pop up. Oh! Pop up tours can come back babe.Brad Crowell 4:33  Pop up tours come back. .... can come back. I mean all the thingsLesley Logan 4:34Who wants a pop up class?Lesley Logan 4:37  Pilates pop up class tell us on the gram where we should pop up first. (Brad: Oh, yeah!) Because we got that van and if it's a mattress so we're there. Alright, well, that's what we do for fun. Thank you for that question. If you have more questions for us, put them in our Instagram on at be_it_pod and let us know we'll answer it here for you. Real quick you may not know this, may not know what you want right now. But prioritizing your time for yourself is the utmost importance. That is a broad word. But it is true, it is the utmost importance. And I do that through my Pilates practice. It is how I make sure that I've prioritized me in everything that I do. And I want to offer you a free class with me over at OlinePilatesClasses.com/beit that's OnlinePilatesClasses.com slash b e i t.Brad Crowell 5:28  All right, now let's talk about Erica Hood.Lesley Logan 5:31I really love your voice.Brad Crowell 5:33Well, that's good.Lesley Logan 5:34Like a total radio voice. It's so good. Anyways, let's talk about Erica Hood.Brad Crowell 5:39Erica, if you aren't familiar with Erica, she is the creator and founder of HoodFit a woman's based fitness company, focusing on moving to the rhythm, connecting to our minds, body and soul. By moving system amazing music. With the beat, you'll find intense cardio Barre workouts from her and she is a fellow dog lover. And she owns her business. She also owns her business with her husband, whose name is Jordan and they live in Palm Springs now. We've had the chance to get to know them over the past couple of years before both of us, both couples left LA.Lesley Logan 6:18  Yeah, when she and I met that you are working with me a little bit like on the retreat side of things and like I would have asked you to do things on my website. But us, she and I have gotten to know each other. Now we both work with our husbands and we all four moved during COVID. We're like bye LA because her apartment like neighbors were not okay with like literally a first week of COVID zoom dance cardio.Brad Crowell 6:47  Yeah. Could you imagine being a neighbor of someone who's like, Okay, now let's move.Lesley Logan 6:53  Yeah. And you know what? Because I know what she teaches because of our apartment. It's the same thing. Like, there's a fan in the middle and you're living in this tiny place in LA, which you never thought was tiny until you're in COVID. And then you're like, Oh, so I'm supposed to teach him here. And if I okay, so if I do jumping jacks, I have to move back a foot so that I don't hit the fan. But if I want to do push ups, I got to move forward. It's too much, y'all. (Brad: Yeah) So they moved to Palm Springs. We moved to Las Vegas, and we text each other all the time to see whose temperature is hotter.Brad Crowell 7:24  Yeah, it's true. That's usually win.Lesley Logan 7:27  They do. I'm okay with that.Brad Crowell 7:28Palm Springs is usually the hotter.Lesley Logan 7:29I'm okay with that.Brad Crowell 7:30  It's pretty, pretty bananas.Lesley Logan 7:33  Um, okay, so let's talk about this interview. Because what I loved about this interview is the moment when she and I realized when we became friends at this one event, and so you have to listen that story, because it's really it's really fun. But um, she talked a lot, how about having to do messy actions and having to have good people around you. And this is cool. So y'all, she found confidence to start a business that she had never done before. She'd never like been her own boss after sharing her fears with her husband. And I really resonated with that. Because I tell you all the time, like, Oh my god, I'm really nervous about this. And then you're like a sage and you go, I don't know, like, why you're so scared. Like, this is the normal thing that you do all the time.Brad Crowell 8:20  But you did share that story also in the last episodes' pod, as well. But yeah, I think you give me a lot of credit. I think that together we definitely help each other.Lesley Logan 8:32  No, that's true. That's true. So anyways, I just I really like to because even if you're listening this and you're like, well, that's fine, LL. I don't have a husband to share my partner to share my fears with. Okay, so go back to having good people around you and literally look at the people who are in your lives. And if you feel like they're not the most supportive people that are super inspiring. Like, I have a challenge for you to like, write down who you wish was in your life, and then go find them. Like, it's really hard when you're an adult to make friends. Like we moved to Vegas. And it's a little, it's weird to make new friends. I totally um like, Okay, um, Hi I'm Lesley.Brad Crowell 9:09  We started with our neighbors.Lesley Logan 9:11  Yeah, we did. We did. And they're lovely, thank goodness. So I would say, you know, my coach recently told me that to do this as well like write down like, Who are the people? Like what are the values of the people that you wish who around you that you could share these fears with? (Brad: Yeah) If you can picture them, then you can be it till you see it with those relationships, too.Brad Crowell 9:30  That's right.Lesley Logan 9:31All right. Well, what do you love that she said?Brad Crowell 9:35She said something real quick. She said you have to step outside of your comfort zone to invest in yourself. (Lesley: Hmm.) And that made me remember when I was really driven, when I was younger, to learn, grow, succeed, sell, whatever. I was, I was willing to be dedicated. I was like, actually, I was hell bent on and I was, I was like studying books and reading and listening to tapes and watching, you know, movie clips, and like listening to speakers and stuff, really trying to move forward. But I realized, as I was thinking about this, that I was uncomfortable already, because I was, you know, in my teens, and I was living with my parents, and I wanted to get out and go do the things. And, you know, when you get to college, it's not exactly comfortable, either. Because you never have enough money and all the things so you're really, really willing to go chase something. And then, you know, as we establish ourselves, and we get kind of, into a groove, life groove with our family, and kids and friends and dogs and all the things, you, I think it's easy to become complacent. And in order to invest in ourselves, we have to step outside of that routine that we've created for ourselves, I mean, you know, and it could be that we're spending, you know, more time watching TV or, you know, we, I know, we eat dinner and watch TV, so like, the only time we ever give ourselves to do that we don't want don't really have movie nights and hardly you know, or anything like that, you know, but it's also easy to, to keep watching the show, instead of watching walking the dogs or whatever, you know. And so if you do that for too long, suddenly, six months, a year has gone by and you're like, wow, you know, like, okay, I don't feel like I move forward. I've just gotten in this rut.Lesley Logan 11:43  Yeah, I understand that a lot. I think like, I, one of the reasons like moving to Vegas was so great as it like, I needed to be uncomfortable. I felt like I was like I need if I'm supposed to be doing all these things that that are going to grow this company. I can't be in this. Like, I know the walk home takes me 15 minutes. This is where I get my Starbucks even during COVID it's open like I needed like on I don't have gym, I don't have friends, like I have to like really step up more. And so I don't know that I literally know, knew that, like, we need to move. So I get uncomfortable. But I'm kind of glad we did. Because it's been helpful and like, actually propelling things forward. Brad Crowell 12:26  Yeah, when you change your environment, when you change that routine, it actually allows you, it forces you to reconsider life, it forces you to reconsider, you know, your path where you're currently going. And that's really when you begin to invest in yourself again, and it's when you're uncomfortable, because you've swapped up what was just easy to do. (Lesley: Yeah, I'm in love.) Yeah, well, I think I thought that was really awesome. And I know you the two of you didn't discuss that too much during the pod. So I really wanted to cover that here. But let's talk about the be it action items. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with her? And the one thing that jumped out to me, she said that manifesting is good. But take the action. And I never really put up, like set it so succinctly before but I have a really good friend of mine, who we would always tease for going back to school and continuing to educate and educate and educate and it's like it's amazing. It's like holy crap. You got like degrees and you had all this extra stuff, but it's like, what are you gonna go do with that? You know, and like a lot of the conceptualizing and the planning and the strategy and all the stuff, you know, but now it's been 15 years and it's like, okay, like, go do it now. Let's actually, let's go get that happening. So I think that was thinking about it, and I'm all about a plan ahead of time, but you gotta you got to take action at some point.Lesley Logan 14:21  Um, this is okay, so there's a girl, her name is Samantha Skelly. And I heard another podcast, I heard her say, or someone quoted her saying, information without integration equals constipation. And I, I'm gonna that's gonna be a mantra, y'all that has to be repeated, share it to your friends, because it really, it really is something like super important because I think a lot of people especially if you have an imposter syndrome, where you don't feel like you know enough, you'll manifest and then you'll realize, Oh, I need to know more. So then you go and learn more, but you're actually not taking action. You're making the learning Like seemed like it's an action step, but it's really like a hidden non action step because you got to just take the action actually doing the thing that you want. So, so anyways, (Brad: Say it one more time.) Oh, information without integration equals constipation. Thank you Samantha Skelly. They will get her on here someday because we said that (Brad: Maybe?) Be it till you see it.Brad Crowell 15:24  I love it. Well, I love that. I think that's hilarious and also profound. What about you?Lesley Logan 15:31  No, it's profound. I'll give you a profound on that. So my biggest takeaway, okay, here's she gave a formula like a prep formula for taking messy action, which I feel like we haven't had anyone to a prep formula. And I also love this because it is like a very intrinsic, be it tip. And so we've had a lot of bold tips, a lot of executable tips, but like, not a intrinsic tip. So here it is, she had the formula to take prep for taking messy action. One is starting in a deep rooted place. Y'all gotta get inside, and like, gotta get to know yourself, right? You have... So number two is you have to get right with yourself, like knowing who you are. And this might mean getting therapy, this might mean journaling. This might mean asking your friends, like, what are your, what are your favorite things about me, or what are some things that you love about me, like get to know yourself, and that can be very uncomfortable. But that goes back to the other takeaway of talked about. And then number three, knowing what your mission is, values are, your passion is, that's what drives you, this will allow you to take action. So you have to start in a deeper place, you have to get right with yourself and know what your mission is. And here's the thing, like mission can be your why, values like Google, like "core values," and like pick five that really resonate with you. Because when you don't feel comfortable, like when you are a little nervous, feeling imposter syndrome, feeling like, you're not ready to show up for yourself and take this action yet. If you know why you're doing it, that is going to help propel you forward when you're scared.Brad Crowell 17:07  I think there's no question about that. I think also your values are really going to come from knowing yourself, right? That deep rooted place that she's talking about, it's almost as if one and two kind of should be merged together. The deep rooted place is when you know yourself, like when you have a foundation. And you know, you know what you're doing, why you're doing it, it's going to make give you that confidence. I think also too, she said earlier, surrounding herself with good people, also gives you that confidence to allow you to go take action. And but you know, again, manifesting is good, but take the action, right. So, you know, even if you're not 1,000% sure you're going the right way. You know, I think when you get started, it'll become clear really quickly. You know, in fact, I think, you know, you covered that a couple episodes ago with Rob Mack too, where he talked about the you don't need to see the whole staircase, you just need to see the first step. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And once you know, but if you know what you know who you are, and why you want to go do, what you want to do, then it's going to real that is your solid foundation to go take messy action from. You might not understand the exact specifics of what you need to do yet, but you're gonna figure that out. And that's that messy action.Lesley Logan 18:32  Yeah, well, because it takes, it puts you on the line. Like you were like actually putting yourself on the line as opposed to like, this is a hopeful way, like you do a birthday wish and you save it for yourself. Like you know the whole thing like don't tell it won't come true. I'm like, I'm gonna tell people because that's how it comes true. (Brad: Yeah.) If people don't know what you want, they can't help you get it. How do you think I got you?Brad Crowell 18:52  I think you told me. Oh, wait a minute.Lesley Logan 18:56  Well, that's true. But I actually told people what I wanted. (Brad: Yeah, you do) People are how we met.Brad Crowell 19:01  People on how we met. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah, that's very true.Lesley Logan 19:04  All right. Well, love. This is great. (Brad: Yeah.) Okay, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM on to the pod on IG that's at be_it_pod. Also just screenshot this and tag it your status and your stories with what you're going to do. (Brad: Yeah) That's going to inspire the people around you. And guess what if some of them dm you back and go, I'm doing that too, you just found the people that you want to be spending your time with. And we'll catch you on the next episode. Until then be it till you see it.Brad Crowell 19:38Cheers!Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In today's episode, co-host Brad Crowell joins Lesley Logan to talk about our last episode interview with happiness coach, Robert Mack. Rob's wisdom and life-perspective are contagious, encouraging, supportive, and tangible. Join us as we deconstruct the action items that Rob recommended in the last episode, and find out a little bit more about Brad & LL...If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How "being in the now" can change your happiness completelyWhen did LL and Brad start working together?Brad had a website building businessLesley already knew she was going to marry BradWe project managed our weddingWe forgot ONE THING at our wedding....SuicidePreventionLifeline.orgYou don't need to know the whole staircase to take the first stepHow you define yourself, giving yourself a titleThe power of journalingReferences/Links:Suicide Prevention Lifeline Rob Mack's websiteRob Mack's book, Happiness From the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment The Artist's Way Morning Pages Journal: A Companion Volume to the Artist's Way If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser and Castbox.Lesley Logan ResourcesLesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesFollow Lesley on Social MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInTranscription:Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and business fitness coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to out yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.—Lesley Logan 02:10Okay, here we go. Brad Crowell 02:12Are you excited? Lesley Logan 02:15I am! I am so excited. Okay, this is all part of it. Brad Crowell 02:18Hi Lesley Logan 02:19Leave it in. Brad Crowell 02:19We're leaving it in. Lesley Logan 02:21We're leaving it in. Hello, listeners. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the profound conversation I have with Robb Mack in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back to listen to that one and then come back and join us. But what you can't see, everyone, is Brad telling me to slow down. Brad Crowell 02:43I'm actually, we are currently already at double time. You don't need to speed this up. Lesley Logan 02:49Well, you actually. So yeah, that's true. This is a podcast you can bring down to one-point-o. Anyways, thank you, Brad. I'm a fast talker, everyone. And that is one thing you'll learn about me. So first, Brad, we had an audience question to respond to, didn't we? Brad Crowell 03:07More space. More space. Yes. Yes. Yes. Lesley, we did have an audience question.  Lesley Logan 03:19Okay, well, what's the question? Oh, me. Brad Crowell 03:23Oh, me. Lesley Logan 03:24All right, everyone, this is real. Just so you know, we leave it all and welcome to working with us, actually, which leads me into this question, which is, right, when did we start working together? We got this question and a DM on the be_it_pod Instagram. And people wanted to know if (the person writing wanted to know) if it was before or after dating. Brad Crowell 03:45Before or after what? Lesley Logan 03:47Did we start working together before or after we started dating? Brad Crowell 03:51Did we start working together before or after we started dating… Lesley Logan 03:57Such a complicated question only because the window of us actually dating and not dating was quite long and maybe not a clear line. Then I broke my leg. And then that was after we were officially together. We still weren't working together though. Brad Crowell 04:14Yeah, but I built a website for you right out of the gate. Lesley Logan 04:17Right, but right out of the gate we got together because I broke my leg and then you made the website, so we were dating. We were officially dating. You did not build a website for me before you committed. Brad Crowell 04:27I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened. Lesley Logan 04:30Would never have happened. So even then you go to, so you build a website for me but that was not working with me. That was like showing off. Brad Crowell 04:39Um, it was kind of. It was kind of a little bit showing off. I think that's fair to say. Also, (Lesley: Thank you for watching) also, too, I knew it was something that I could do to win you over even more. So yeah, showing off. But it was something that I was already doing. I was building websites. (Lesley: Yeah) So it was a very, like normal thing for me to build another website. Lesley Logan 05:17Yeah. We have dogs, you all may hear a bark in the background, there's three of them. If you've got a dog, we'd love to know what your dog is like. I agree. I think you know, you already had a business in building websites because you were building websites for your band. So it wasn't like you learned how to build a website. It was something you already did. (Brad: Yeah) And I already knew I was going to marry you. So you building me a website was just a perk. You didn't know that. But I did. I think it was pretty organic you doing other websites stuff for me, building many websites before we got married, I think. But you and I didn't actually officially work together.. I think maybe the retreats were when we finally were doing more projects together. It's really hard. It was everything. This is the cool thing, y'all, we'll get into it as we talk about Rob's points, but like everything kind of led after the website then that led to something that led to my try at a membership. Brad Crowell 06:21I think the first time we worked together was our wedding. Lesley Logan 06:24Oh, you're right, we project managed the heck out of that wedding. Well Brad did, I just checked things off. Brad Crowell 06:33But that was the first time that we, we like, you know, tried to tackle a project as a team. Hey, yeah, buddy. August. That's definitely not gonna work. So, but I think we had a goal. And we essentially broke down the tasks. And we use the project management tool. And we, we fucking nailed it. (Lesley Logan: Oh yeah) It was such a cool wedding. Lesley Logan 07:06Y'all, we planned a wedding in four months in LA. And six weeks before the wedding, we even lost the venue. And we still like slayed. There's only one thing that we messed up at our own wedding. And that was because it was not in the project management tool, which was who was going to bring the wedding license to the wedding. But yeah, I think that was the first actual thing we worked on together. Brad Crowell 07:31I think and the thing was, it was actually really easy (Lesley: Yeah), to do that as a team. And so it was very organic when we finally or like tackling work projects as a team, even though, you know, I was kind of treating the stuff, except for the retreats or when you were traveling, like the any of the work stuff until I formally came on full-time, I was treating it like a client, (Lesley: Yeah) We only had a little bit of time, you know? And then eventually I got rid of all those clients. And that was just about when we started working together as a team. Lesley Logan 08:07Yeah, no, you're right. The wedding was definitely where we worked together as a team. And that was the first real step. It also made us realize how good we could do that. So to answer this amazing question of when did we start working together. Was it before or after dating? Was it after dating? It was when we were engaged. I think we got married in 2015. Brad Crowell 08:29Yes, we got married in 2015. Lesley Logan 08:33That's fascinating. Anyways, we never kind of remember when we got married, so we'll get there. Alright, so thank you for that question. You can send in your questions to the be_it_pod on Instagram. So alright, before we get into our next part, we just want to say… you may or you may not know, like maybe you're sitting there going LL like thank you for the podcast, but I don't even know how to make time for myself to be it and how to prioritize that. And I really feel like for me, there are times in my life I actually don't know the answer. Like, I don't know what I want to do. And the practice of showing up for myself is actually the most helpful way to do that because when you connect more to yourself then you can connect more to your goals to others to anything, right? So I want to offer you all a free class at OnlinePilatesClasses.com slash b e i t so OnlinePilatesClasses.com/beit. Get a free class from me. Take it as many times as you want. Notice how showing up for yourself for 30 minutes, I would love you to multiple times a week, but even once a week allows you to practice prioritizing yourself and your time in your life. All right! Brad Crowell 09:39Yeah. Awesome. Why don't we jump into kind of talking about the last pod's conversation with Rob Mack that you had. I really enjoyed the interview. If you haven't had a chance to hear it yet, feel free to pause this now jump back one episode take a listen to the great convo that Rob and Lesley had together. They talked about a whole host of things. But first Rob is an Ivy League educated positive psychology expert. He's a celebrated happiness coach. He's also an executive coach and an author. And I found the conversation really, actually, kind of shocking, because he came right out of the gate, talking about suicide. So we're going to talk just a little bit about suicide here. And we want to also tell you that if you are, have ever considered anything, when it comes to taking your own life, there is help available to you in the United States, and I want to say abroad because they have a 1-800 number, you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. And they are saying that we can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you and for your loved ones. and best practices for professionals. They have a 1-800 number that you can call 1-800-273-8255, 1-800-273-8255. They also have chat support right on the site. And you can find that at suicidepreventionlifeline.org. So that said, when Rob was talking about his experience with considering suicide and it was right out of the gate. I was, I didn't really expect that I had no idea that, you know, as a happiness coach, that, that was something he was, that's where he was coming from. And well, I mean, you talked to him so… Lesley Logan 11:57Yeah, I totally agree with Brad. I mean, it is part of his story. And it is really what made him who he is today. So, I actually appreciate that he so willingly shares that story, because I think it's a topic that is often, people don't talk about, you know, and or they avoid talking about or they're ashamed of it, and he shares it in a way that really makes you realize that it can, it can be anybody and so please use that information should you need it or if a friend does. So our first my I want to go into a takeaway that I had because it's something that's really personal to me. In the interview, Rob talks about being okay with just seeing the first step of a staircase and not seeing the whole staircase. So he talks about moving to Miami and only just knowing that, like he's going to move to Miami and not really what's gonna happen next. And I love this because it's such a simple idea. It's like, Oh, yeah, let's just be okay with that first step. Just see the first step in a staircase. Take messy action. Y'all, I'm a ‘take messy action' kind of person. I have been practicing this. Like your mess is your message, everyone. I've been practicing messy action and just being okay with the first step. You should know something about me. When we watch The Crown, I will literally Google what happened in real life, just so I can watch the whole Crown, knowing what is going to happen. So for the record, this is not the easiest thing for me that I practice. But I couldn't agree more with him. I think it's so important that we don't get hung up on having to have every step of a staircase planned out to what we're going to be before we go, like, before we practice being it. And so, I don't know, I wanted to, I really wanted to bring that home because it is so simple and yet so hard. And people rarely do it. They're like, Okay, I have to have it all mapped out. And I don't know if this comes from like an American, like, pretty good High School, did you go to college, then you get this degree, then you did this thing. And like, I did all that stuff. And I never even got a job with the degree that I have. So knowing all the steps of the staircase has yet to help me. And I will say like this podcast, you know, we really had very few of the steps even thought through before we started it. My business, you know, I was blown away, like, okay, we're gonna do this right now and see what happens. Brad Crowell 14:14No, I think also there's a sense that, you know, you can't just wing it, right? You're not, you're not just like, (Lesley: No) trying to hope it into fruition, you know. There are steps, there are actions, there are, but there is this bigger picture that we are working from. We know where we want to go. Right? We know where the staircase goes to, (Lesley: But we don't know all the stairs) but we don't know all the stairs in the staircase, right? (Lesley: Yeah) So I think that as long as you have this bigger picture your vision for what you want for your life, then maybe you can only see two or three stairs ahead at a time and that's like with goal planning and methodically thinking ahead three, six months, whatever, you know, but you're still not seeing the grandiose. You're not seeing the entire staircase and all of the steps. Lesley Logan 15:11100%. Thank you. Brad's always here to summarize my long winded answers. And here's, I'm working on a course for y'all. I'm really excited about it. This part will be a free course where it's like, knowing the vision, knowing where the staircase ends up, where the top of the stairs is, and then actually like taking the action of the first step, because that's where clarity comes through. You got to take the action. So that really resonated with me. And if you find that very difficult, because you really want to know every step in your staircase, I promise you, it's so freeing to just know the first two, I know where the staircase ends and have fun taking a step and see what happens. Brad Crowell 15:46Yeah, I also think that there are very few, even in science, right? There's very few times in life where you know exactly every step before you're going to take them. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? You know, you're exploring, you're experimenting, you're trial and error, maybe you take a step up and realize that's the wrong step. And you take a step back. (Lesley: Yeah.) So you know, I think, I think for the Type A personalities out there, who know that they need to have everything in front of them before they even get started, you're actually doing yourself a disservice. Because you don't necessarily know you might get into something and then realize, I hate this. Lesley Logan 16:38Oh, yeah. And that's so cool. Because guess what, like, you can, you can go back down the steps and stuff. Or you can, you can find a new staircase like, or you can, or there's like, you can wind the staircase to the left, you know, which Rob talks about left turns. And that was really a fun part of the conversation. But anyways, we can talk about staircases for the rest of this episode. But Brad, I really, I really liked your takeaway. So I want to dive into it. Brad Crowell 17:01So after listening to the interview, the thing I took away was, I found really interesting is the idea of defining yourself. Right? And giving, you two were talking about giving yourself your own title. At first I was like, Man, that's kind of silly, you know. Cuz I come from the startup world, right? So when we're like a startup company of four, and it's like, well, I'm the CEO, and I'm the CEO, and the CFO, the CTO, and it's like, we were all four of us are doing all the work. Like, it seems ridiculous to be defining ourselves in that manner. Or, like, I'm sure you've gotten a business card from someone and you're like, right. There, the president of a company of one, like whatever. Right? Lesley Logan 17:48I definitely felt that way when I was the CEO of my own company, I was like, this is so lame. I'm the only person in it. Brad Crowell 17:56That's where my head went to immediately. But as you two were talking about it, I thought, you know, maybe defining yourself isn't necessarily like a job title defining yourself. Instead, it's a way… it is you. It's part of your elevator pitch to people, it's part of how you describe yourself in who you are, and what you are. And I thought, well, this is actually completely tantamount to like success. If you don't have a definition of yourself, you know, because you are your very first client. Okay, you're selling yourself first. And, you know, so for example, if you say, Well, I'm just a Pilates teacher. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right? Like, that's a tragic definition of yourself. “I'm just a Pilates teacher.” Right? Because like you just said, so small, but also you're setting yourself up – you've ceiling-ed yourself. Lesley Logan 19:03Yeah. Where on the staircase you can't climb anywhere. I really love that, Brad. You know, even you know, going back to the CEO, all that stuff. Recently, we changed the titles of ourselves, because we do have a team. That's more. It's not just me. (Brad: It's finally growing.) Yeah. (Brad: Yes) And when we changed it from me being the CEO to you being the CEO, even that definition switch changed how you show up in the business and how I show up in the business. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And so, but he defined himself as a happiness coach, like, so. I mean, like, just right there, A – I want to know more. And then also, it really does help him filter like what he does, and what he, what he says yes to based on that. And so the definition of yourself is so powerful because it can literally uplift you and expand you or you could box yourself in and make yourself small. So I think I would, I would challenge people. I love the stigma. I would challenge you to tell someone who you are. Tell us, what's your definition? (Brad: Yeah) I'll listen. Brad Crowell 20:08Yeah. Tell us how you define yourself. And you can just DM the pod on Instagram. But, I found it really fun to think about your new definition of yourself, your new title as it were, which is CPO. Lesley Logan 20:31Oh, I know I was like…ooh. Brad Crowell 20:33What's a CPO? Lesley Logan 20:34Well, and that's something I didn't even know was an existence, y'all there. This is the thing. If you, first of all, if you don't define yourself, other people are gonna define you. So you may as well come up with your own, just side note. And then, but we were doing this whole thing with our coach one time, and she's like, “Yeah, Lesley, you are in charge of all the ideas and art. And so you're the CPO.” I was like, tell me more (Brad: product) I'm the product officer. I'm the Chief Product Officer. So Brad Crowell 21:03But that's, that's funny, but that's (Lesley; Oh she's a Pilates Officer) Yeah, how you define yourself is the Chief Pilates Officer of the company. And that's funny and fun. And you know, exciting. (Lesley: Yeah), you know, and yes, it still comes with responsibilities. But, you know, it's obviously our play on words – her CPO, she's the Chief Pilates officer. Lesley Logan 21:27Chief Pilates Officer, Chief Positivity Officer. I mean, it's a Chief Pod Officer right now. But, but I think, I really think the power of the words you say about yourself matter, because here's the thing, your brain and your body are listening all the time. So if you go around telling people like Rob is, “I'm a happiness coach” Boom. But you start seeing all the different ways you can coach people on happiness, you can be happy, like you can search for happiness. But if you come lower on talking about yourself, it's like, oh, I'm, I'm just a trainer, or I'm just, I'm just an assistant or I'm just, you know, working on this. I have a side hustle while I go to school. I'm just a student that word ‘just' is terrible. And also, you are limiting yourself. And so have I think have fun coming up with your title. (Brad: Yeah.) Isn't it Tom's the company where people can make their own job title up? Brad Crowell 22:27I want to say it can be tough. Lesley Logan 22:31It could be tough. Also, I do know that there are people who at Google, somebody made themself the chief, like the (Brad: Chief Happiness) Chief Happiness. Yeah. Happiness. Brad Crowell 22:40He was appointed. (Lesley: Yeah) Yes. Lesley Logan 22:43Yeah, Anyways, that's your homework. Okay. So now in every podcast, I like to ask our guests tips on how you can be it because, y'all, it's not just about inspiration, like you can get that anywhere, I want you to have transformation, I want you to really, truly like sort of see yourself in the thing that you are wanting to do you want this planet. And so, Rob actually, like went to town, he gave us so many. So you got to listen to all of them. But my favorite was journaling. And here's why. And we talked about this, I believe in his podcast, which is like, my therapist told me I needed a journal. And just so you know, Brad knows this. I have like 17 beautiful journals. And I don't write any of them. I buy them. Who, if you're listening, raise your hand right now but if you're driving, keep hands on the wheel. Who buys journals, because like their higher self is going to journal someday? That's me. And I keep them and I don't write anything in them. And so she's like, I want you to journal. A week later, when I came back for therapy. She's like, how's the journaling going on? I'm like, so I want to actually know what you mean by journaling. Is there a prompt I should be answering? Like, Hello. Recovering overachiever and perfectionist over on this end of the mic. So I do journal every single day. I do what's called morning pages. And there I'll talk about it a lot on this podcast because it's really, truly, it changed my world. You do it first thing in the morning. So I've had people tell me Okay, I do it in the afternoon but that's not morning pages, like, it specifically says morning. And the idea is that you brain dump for three pages on a legal pad and you never read them again. So if you are someone who wants to read your thoughts later on, this is not for you. But if you are someone who is like I hear you to journal, I don't know how to do it. You can take the LL route which is morning pages all the way. It's from the book the Artist Way so if you really need to know how it comes down, but I promise you having like getting your thoughts out of your head onto paper really does help clear the mind. Anyways Brad, what was your favorite takeaway? Brad Crowell 24:39I? So I love how tangible and physical the idea of journaling is. Mine was a little more esoteric. Lesley Logan 24:52That's good. Everyone's got a different kind of thing. So for the esoteric here you go, Brad's got one for you. Brad Crowell 24:58Rob said something that I thought was really ridiculous. And the more I thought about it, the more I thought, the more I like it. He said be the happiness that you're chasing. And I was like, come on, like, How does it even work? Right? Like you can't just be the happiness that you're chasing. And then I thought, well, that's really funny because it's perfectly applicable to our podcast of being it. Lesley Logan 25:33I love it. He just missed that. And it was like, basically what I'm doing. Brad Crowell 25:35Right? But I thought, how ridiculous to just do it, just be it, whatever. Right? (Lesley: Just be it) But then he took a second and he quantified it. And he said, he said, You can, you know, the happiest that you're chasing is obviously that quote unquote, happiness is in front of you. Right? Like, obviously, that's where you quote unquote, want to be someday, right. And he said, however, if you can be in the now, if you can focus on the present moment. And you can dwell on happiness in the present moment, then you can be the happiness that you are chasing. Right now. Lesley Logan 26:25So you have it. That made me think of two things. First, it makes me think of the quote, Be the change you want to see. Second, it makes me think of all that talk about being in the present. And a lot of people are always chasing the dream, chasing the thing. Like, Oh, well, when I lose weight, then I'll be happy. When I have this job, I'll be happy. When I have this significant other then I'll be happy. When I get that new lipstick, it's gonna change my life. Like, there's always these, like, there's always a next thing. And I agree, like, if you can actually be the happiest you wish to be in the future in your present moment. Then you're not actually chasing anything and instead – not only are you being it until you see it (what, what, thanks, Rob for that) – but I think you're just gonna end like you're gonna see all the things around you that are already there supporting you on that journey that you're gonna go on. Brad Crowell 27:27Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a fascinating idea. And I think that it's worth exploring in your own life. Lesley Logan 27:40I think I'm going to try and do that tomorrow. Brad Crowell 27:42Yeah. If you can, like, for example, just sitting here in our new podcast space. Lesley Logan 27:51I know, it's so pretty Brad Crowell 27:52Enjoying the vibe that we created in here. And this moment, you know, this this time. Imagine if this was our life moving forward, I would love it. (Lesley: Yeah) It would be amazing. It is amazing, Lesley Logan 28:11Right? Instead of us like going, Okay, how long is this gonna take? We gotta order that sushi before they close. Like we're actually being the happiness, being the thing in the moment. It really does make, I think it also helps you expand time, to be honest. Brad Crowell 28:26Yeah, we're getting metaphysical here. Lesley Logan 28:29Well. You know, Brad, I think that's a great takeaway. And I you know, what I love about you. There's many things, everyone, and you'll get to know them. But he is the most curious person. He asked. Like, if something is said in a podcast that he hears not just mine, but like others. And he is like, Huh, I don't agree with that, or that's interesting, or how does it even work? He goes down the rabbit hole of researching it and I learn so many things, whereas I may go, No, that's geez. Like, he puts a question mark on it. And like really goes through it. So it's really fun to, for that to, for you to be here. Because otherwise we'll only do the things that are tangible strategic, like, let's get into it. Brad Crowell 29:14I might say that I find that ironic, because usually our roles are very reversed in that sense. (Lesley: Yeah, but) I that I'm the action taker. Lesley Logan 29:23Y'all, welcome to being in the Chief Pilates pod officer room. The roles are reversed. Brad Crowell 29:28I love it. Lesley Logan 29:31Well, anyway, everyone, and anyone listening to this, just favor and let us know what your favorite takeaways of Rob's podcast interview were. You can screenshot this and post it in your stories and tag us. Also, if you have questions that you want to.. (Brad: Tag Rob, too) Tag Rob Mack, too. And if you have questions that you want us to answer, you can DM the be_it_pod, all that stuff, all the information is in the show notes below. I just want to say thank you so much, and I can't wait to hear how you use Rob's tips to change your life and Be It Till You See It and I will see you next time. Thank you. Brad Crowell 30:06Cheers.—Lesley LoganThat's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast!One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review.And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts.Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at be_it_pod on Instagram! I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with who ever you think needs to hear it.Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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Please welcome Rob Mack, happiness coach, author and psychology expert, to the Be It Pod! Rob unabashedly told us about his attempt at suicide and how that lead him down the path to study and pursue happiness as he transformed his own life. Today he is a sought-after speaker, host and coach, and he lovingly shares his expertise and action items with all of us in this episode.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you'll learn about:This episode discusses suicide.Suicide Prevention Lifelinethey have chat and a 1-800 numberYou don't need to see the whole staircase, you just need to see the next stepthe mind is usually decisive, rarely decisive. Quiet the mind, come from the heartthe “left turns” are exactly the turns you're supposed to takedefining yourself, creating your own title (you define the story/message)“every thought is limited” “the limitless state is without thought” there are some less limiting thoughts than others, vet your thoughts by how they feel rather than how they sound“it's so hard to hear your heart when your mind is so noisy”You don't want to chase temporary thingsknock on that inner door, not the outer doorsAction items from Rob MackMake happiness the most important goal in your entire liferecognize that Happiness is insidefound first thought positive thinking about everything and everybody in your lifefound secondly by not thinking at all, but being it. Be in the moment. Here, right now in the present. You will BE the happiness you are chasing.Don't route your happiness through other people, places and things, instead go to the source for itpositive thinkingnot thinkingJournalit allows you to “step back from the movie”you become a non-judgmental observer/witnessyou can make a different choice when it comes to any of those emotional (scary) thoughtsReference MaterialsSuicide Prevention LifelineRob Mack's websiteRob Mack's book, Happiness From the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment Richard Carlson's book, Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... Robert Holden's book, Be Happy!: Release the Power of Happiness in YOU Al Franken and Stuart Smalley's book, I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!: Daily Affirmations By Stuart Smalley Canva ProThe Artist's Way Morning Pages Journal: A Companion Volume to the Artist's Way If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser and Castbox.Lesley Logan ResourcesLesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesFollow Lesley on Social MediaInstagramFacebook LinkedInAbout Rob Mack:Robert is an ivy-league-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Executive Coach, and Author.Robert studied under the direction of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn). UPenn is the only institution in the world to offer a Masters degree in Applied Positive Psychology.Robert is one of the world's leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success. He helps individuals and organizations achieve an energizing balance of authentic personal happiness and effortless professional success, based on time-tested, face-valid, empirical data and timeless, transcendental wisdom.Robert's work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, and many others, and he has been seen on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E!, OWN, GQ, Self, Health, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour.Robert's first book, Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment, is celebrity-endorsed and critically-acclaimed. It has been translated into various languages, including Chinese.Transcription:Hey you! How are you doing? Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for pressing play to this podcast today. You could be listening to anything and you chose to listen to this which tells me that you are wanting so much to make yourself the priority in your life and that is awesome. Today's guest is, well, I just can't wait to get into it but his name is Robert Mack and his journey is nothing short of incredible and inspiring, but full of so many tips. Like when Robert and I were talking, he was like, “I like to speak in bullet points.” And I love that. Bullet points means you can do it too. You can take these tips and add them to your life and I'm really really excited. Before I tell you more about this interview and Robert, I do want to let you know that this episode does deal with suicide. And because of that I really wanna make sure it's important that you know that there are resources out there. If you are someone who is having or you know someone who has suicidal thoughts, you need and you're looking for some support and help with that, please check out suicidepreventionlifeline.org, or call 800-273-8255 or 800-273-8255.In my fitness business coaching group, I say something. I say it on Instagram daily too it's so important that I repeat it all the time, because it's important for people to hear over and over and over again and I want to share it with you. You're the only person who can do what you do, the way that you do that. So please know that, ok? So when you're making excuses as to why you shouldn't do the thing that you're trying to do and make time for yourself or you feel a little bit selfish. And you just remember you're the only one and that is amazing.So, Robert Mack's full bio is in the show notes, please check it out because, I mean, he has gone from Philadelphia to Miami, now he's in Santa. Monica and the journey in there we talk a bit about it in the interview, but really you're gonna want to see who he's studied with and where he got these brilliant thoughts that he shares with you. But just a brief little intro is, Robert is an Ivy-league educated positive psychology expert. Yeah. Positive Psychology expert. He's a celebrity happiness coach, executive coach and he is an author. He is one of the world's leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success, which is why I wanted to have him here today. He's also been endorsed by Oprah, I mean, enough said, you can just keep that thing, right you're like, I'm ready let's go. Vanessa Williams and many others and he's been seen in Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E, Own, GQ, Self, Help, Health, Cosmopolitan and Glamour, just to name a few, in the show notes and you just check out not only just see his amazing bio but also see, he has a book Happiness Inside and Out, we talk about it briefly in the interview and I just know that after this interview, we're gonna be reading it, because when you hear his story of how he was born, unhappy. And now, he is a happiness coach, I just think that, that means even if you are sitting here today listening to this feeling a little bit like everyday is another unhappy day and it just be that way.So, we'll be right back with the full interview with Robert Mack right after this message.---Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to out yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.EPISODE:Lesley Logan - 00:01All right. Okay, everyone, I am so honored, like truly honored to bring our next guest into your ears today. This is Rob Mack, Robert Mack, you'll find him on Instagram and all the things. I met him through a friend at an event, virtually. And his story is just one that I had to make sure you heard because it absolutely, like it shows so many different times that he was being it before you saw it. And I know that to be true, from the things that I can't wait to share stories and have a great conversation. And you're gonna hear some awesome things. And so, Rob, will you tell everyone. Who you are and where you're from? We can just dive right into it.Robert Mack - 00:39Yeah, for sure. So thanks for having me, first of all. I'm Rob Mac, I'm a happiness coach, a published author, a TV personality and producer. And also like a recovering unhappy person, or recovering suicidal person. I was suicidal for a large period of my life. And that's probably what I identify most with, in some ways, because the work I do now is really all about happiness.Lesley Logan - 01:04Thank you for sharing that. I think one of the things I like is that you share your story about suicide in a way that a lot of people don't understand. And also, it's something I think that people don't talk about very much. And so then people who have suicidal thoughts, they feel fairly alone. And that is something I think is really important, especially right now in the time that we're in when we record this. I am sure when people hear this, like he's a happiness coach, and he wrote a book, and he did this. And he did this. And it's like, already, like, how do you do all the things? And so I want to start kind of what? Well, I think we probably should start a little bit at the beginning, like, when you were, when you were suicidal? Obviously, that didn't happen. Thank goodness, because we're here today to hear your story. What, what prompted you to become a happiness coach? Or like what happened in between those two things?Robert Mack - 01:56Yeah, it's such a great question. So, I don't know about a lot of people. But I felt like I was born really unhappy. Like it was the most miserable kid in the world, for seemingly no good reason. I just feel like was wired that way. My first memories were being very unhappy, really stressed out, anxious, self loathing. I always thought I'd grow out of that, you know. That as I got older, and I wanted to be a professional basketball player and if that ever happened. I thought that would solve it for me. And I knew if I had some friends, maybe a girlfriend, even at some point, that I would grow out of my unhappiness, but it didn't happen, at least not right away. And then not in that way. As I got older, it actually got worse. And I got to a place where I was actively contemplating killing myself every single day, multiple times a day. And it was overwhelming. At some point, I eventually decided to do something about it. So I did a little research, I basically decided that I was going to slash my wrist because that's what I had access to, I had access to a knife. So I went to the kitchen, I got a kitchen knife, and I rammed it into my wrist. You know, the one thing about suicide and wanting to kill yourself is that you're trying to escape the pain. So I didn't really love the idea of more physical pain. And so I still have a test mark to this day, but I was very serious about killing myself. Something very strange and unpredictable happened in that moment, though, you know, as I sort of dug this knife into my wrist without any explainable reason, I started to just feel this inexplicable joy and peace, just sort of wash over me. And that was extraordinarily unexpected, unpredictable, and I didn't really couldn't process that, really. So at the time, it was like, What am I gonna do with this? I should maybe just postpone the suicide thing. Maybe I'll postpone it for like an hour. And now it's pretty laughable, you know, because an hour doesn't seem like that long. And to be quite honest with you, even that time, I wasn't committed to an entire hour, I thought, well, maybe it'll be 15 minutes, it might be 15 seconds. But I'll do a little research. And so I started doing a little research, I discovered a lot of things in that period of time. But mostly, I wasn't alone. And second of all, lots of folks have were smarter than me had dug their way out of this dark, deep depressive hole. So in any case, I started applying all the research that I was in, all the things I was learning, I started keeping a journal, just sort of things that were working for me in terms of improving my happiness. And that journal eventually became a book. Kind of reluctantly, I never set out to write a book. But yeah, lo and behold, my life just started to turn around when I prioritized happiness. And before long,it kind of became a profession, which is interesting.Lesley Logan - 04:39I think I love how professions happen upon us. I think it's my, maybe it applies here. I thought I was going to be happy. So that was paying for my very expensive Pilates habit. Yeah, but it happened upon me in a way and I. When I hear your story. I mean, I'm sure to many people listening, there's going to be these… there's so many thoughts that come through your head. And I'm so grateful that you didn't. I'm sure everyone in your life is so grateful that you didn't go through with it. And I will do hear... I know, I know, I know. But I hear like, you know, I, I hear the negotiation with yourself. And I think that even if you aren't someone who's ever been suicidal, we negotiate with ourselves all the time, we negotiate with ourselves over if we're going to get the dessert in an hour, no in 15 minutes like, there are negotiations that happen in our brain all day long. And, and those, those negotiations, put our choices, and we are constantly making them. And I, I think it's so fascinating, that you're, that you felt joy for a moment, I was just enough to get you to think and act on that thought, which is something that a lot of people don't do. And I want to go back to your book, because I'm sure a lot of people are like, wait, what's the book? So I'm going to ask the question, like, what's the name of the book? How can they find it? So we can just get that out of their head right now?Robert Mack - 06:01Yeah, for sure. So the book is called Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment. Vanessa Williams, the actress and singer, wrote the foreword to the book. The friend of a friend of mine, can find the book, everywhere great books are sold, including Amazon and Barnes and Noble. But yeah, initially, it just started out as me tracking happiness habits. Over time, it became more about the clients that I was, you know, working with, and the things that were working for them as well. But yeah, it's part-story. But it's really, you know, eight, tried and true principles for increasing and improving not just the happiness of your life, but also the success of your life. Because the one thing we know, from the field of positive psychology is that when you become happier, you increase the authentic and effortless success of your life. So your actual circumstances and conditions improve on their own, seemingly as a result of prioritizing happiness.Lesley Logan - 06:53Yeah, I mean, obviously, the science agrees with my opinion, which is like, yes, it's so true. Because I talk to people a lot about like whatever you believe to be true, is what you'll see evidence for. So if you believe your life is unhappy, you're going to see all the evidence that just proves you to be completely correct. Versus people who are like, see their life as more happier, the glass is more full. They're seeing all the different things that did happen that were really good. And I have a coaching group, and I have a rule: you are allowed to vent in a channel, there's a slack group, and they're allowed to write like, I need a moment they can like, just vent it out. But there's a rule, they have to then go share a win, because never in a day, do you not have both. But there's always something else to look at. And so I imagine that with your journaling, like you're just tracking those good things. And whenever we track anything, we see the...we actually like, there's a, there's a saying in the business world about like, what you track you actually manage or something like that is more worldly than I am. But I think that's so cool, because I do believe that a lot of people have a lot more good happening to them. Even right now. Even if they're listening like no, Lesley, you don't understand I lost my business. I lost this person in my life doing this last year. And I think there's still good stuff happening.Robert Mack - 08:06Well, yeah, you're alive, right? I mean, that, that and of itself. I mean, there are infinite, countless things that are required in order for you to continue to stay alive. And if on top of that, you're also healthy, on top of that you have a roof over your head and running water and all these things. And yes, don't get me wrong, I totally understand how difficult life is and the brain doesn't always make it that easy to be happy. I mean, the brain is really wired to help you survive. If you survive, the chances of being happy are a lot higher than if you don't, right. And so, you know, we've got these biases built into the brain and make it a little difficult to be happy. So we've got a negativity bias built in, which requires that we have about five positive experiences, or at least five positive recognitions for every one negative, right. And so things like that, and we've got a confirmation bias. You spoke there a little bit about that. Also, selective attention, selective perception. But the whole point is that you get more of what you focus on, right? And what you appreciate, appreciates increases in value. And so the challenging opportunity in the world today is to focus in very intentional ways. Right? In ways that will actually improve or increase your happiness.Lesley Logan - 09:15Yeah. Oh, that's, so there it is. The appreciate appreciates. That's the word. The phrase I was looking for. Thank you Rob, for being here for that. (Robert Mack: Every now and then.) Yeah. I am. I know that you now live in New Downtown in Santa Monica. And but you didn't always you were in Miami for some time. And what I love to hear more about your experience in Miami and then moving to LA and just kind of what, what brought that about? What was the impetus?Robert Mack - 09:43Totally! So I came out of undergrad I went to undergrad in Philadelphia at Swarthmore. Came out, had no idea what I wanted to do. All the smart kids were interviewing with consulting companies. I had no idea what consulting was, but I just knew the smart kids were doing it so I should probably do it. So I ended up getting a job with a consulting company. I did that for five years. And after that management consulting work, I, the entire time I didn't love the job. I loved the people, but I honestly really didn't love the job. I didn't love living in Philadelphia. It's great city, but it was cold. I was, you know, suffering from seasonal affective disorder the whole nine, right?Lesley Logan - 10:15My husband's from Philly. So (Robert Mack: Oh, okay!), go there at Christmas. And I'm like, how long are we here? I'm a California girl, like I just need some sun.Robert Mack - 10:24Yeah, I need my vitamin D, I need the sun or any beach ideally. So at some point in time, I decided to go back to business school. And, you know, part of that was I just wanted to be in Miami. And I wanted to find a good reason for the company to let me work from a virtual office in Miami, whatever, I just wanted to be in the sunshine. So eventually, that happened. But along the way, you know, I decided to want to do consulting work. And I was without work for a period of time, you know. I was going back to business school, and I'm trying to pay for that. And Miami is not cheap either. And I was walking along Lincoln Road, one day thinking. What am I going to do with my life? I've got to figure this out. And I ran into just a random, there was a random guy walking along the road, he said, “Hey, you've never modeled before?” And I'm like, definitely not me, like, you've definitely got the wrong person. I know, I'm the ugliest person in the world. I know, I'm, you know, not the model type. And a week later, the same thing happened again with someone different. So I then eventually decided to go into the, you know, one of the agencies, and I started this entire career for 10 years in entertainment. You know, I was working as a model, as an actor. And along the way, I was meeting people in that space. But mostly the entire time, I was really focused on what I wanted to do when I grew up, you know, really was trying to discover what my purpose was. And it's just so interesting that I couldn't get away from this obsession with happiness. I didn't know there was a profession called happiness coaching, or anything like that. And then over time, I found this program at University of Pennsylvania, the Master's in Applied Positive Psychology program. It's really the study in science of what makes life worth living. And I, you know, entered into that program, graduated from that program, and opened my private practice.Lesley Logan - 11:58Amazing. So did you, is that when you moved to LA? Because did you go back to Philly for that degree?Rpbert Mack - 12:04Ah! So thankfully, it was an executive program. So I just flew in for the weekends. Like once a month, it was ideal, expensive, but worth it. So yeah, I couldn't, I don't think I could move back to Philadelphia, though I love the people there. Great city. Um, you know, so what happened with the LA thing is I had done, like, three different stints in LA once with the girlfriend, once with my brother, once on my own, and it never stuck. And so at some point, I just surrendered this whole LA thing, like, you know, maybe LA isn't for me, it doesn't seem like it ever works out. And then one day, I got a phone call from a production company, and they were working on a TV show for E. And so they said, Hey, Rob, you know, we know that you do kind of this, you know, a little bit of relationship work. And would you be interested in doing this show called Famously Single, and you'd be a dating and relationship coach. And I said, you know, at that time, I was like, you know what I don't, I don't think I really want to do that. Honestly, I've chased the TV for a little while. I just wanted to be happy, like help people, genuinely. But they convinced me. They said, Oh, you can help people. We'll film it, it'll be fine. So that's what brought me to LA. We did two seasons of that. And then I moved to LA.Lesley Logan - 13:10Cool. I have to say, y'all, this is really funny. Because if you've never been in like Miami, New York, LA and you hear about people who just get stopped on the streets, and you're like, I would never talk to that person. There is something about affirmation that makes you stop when someone's like, have you ever thought about doing this? And you're like, Oh, my God, no, we've the wrong person. But it has. So I did a brief because I lived in LA and I actually worked as a Pilates instructor in West Hollywood. So like, just like every model walking up the high end gym that I was working at and teaching that and I not only ended up with a commercial acting, commercial acting agent, I ended up with a modeling agent. And then all of us like, it's crazy, y'all. It just keeps happening. And I didn't, similar to you, I didn't actually know that that was what I wanted to do. I also was like, do I want to be a Pilates destructor when I grow up? Like I didn't really know, like, I was enjoying it. I was doing projects. I was trying things out. I was really testing things and trying to be something and figure out if that was the thing. And so as my amazement, be this, I may as well just see what this is like. And I swear, like, even if it sounds like a left turn in your career to do something like that. It's exactly what you're supposed to do. Because it changed. It changed the trajectory of everything. Like it made it so easy for me to do YouTube videos, that made it so easy for me to talk to strangers or like, just try on things and be a little braver.Robert Mack - 14:30You don't need to see the whole staircase, you just need to see the next step. And that's huge for me, because when I was in Philadelphia. I mean, I was reading every book I could possibly find on: Wwhat should you do with your life? What do you do with your career? And I had no idea and I wasn't getting any closer. In fact, it felt like I was getting further away. And the only thing I knew for sure is that I love sunshine. I love the idea of Miami. Right? And that led me to Miami and it didn't seem like it was at all related to anything professional. In fact, I felt like was probably gonna get away from doing, you know, being successful professionally. But it led to the next thing. And so to your point, and I love what you're saying there, you're absolutely right about that. You don't need to see the perfect vision of how your life's gonna work out. If you feel an inkling inside of something and you want to do, that might be interesting to you, that might be fun. Just take a step in that direction, and you find that the other steps sort of appear, you're actually taking that first step.Lesley Logan - 15:23Yeah. Oh, that is, that is so true. It's that, that there's that there'll, there will always be a little anxiety and fear, I'm sure you felt like, am I doing the right thing when I move here? But all you could see is like, well, this is the first step, I'm going to take that and see what it is. And when you take that first action, everyone, it really does like it, it gets the fear of the way and it makes the fear feel a little smaller. Because once you start the wheels in motion, clarity comes meaning the second step and the third step, or just the opportunity to look at different staircases and you can't get that from thinking things through. And I see so many people, I just got to a group coaching call, and someone was like, “Okay, so how do I do this?” And I was like, “Well, I can probably give you literally every step because I've done what you're asking for. But that's overwhelming. So even if I gave you the staircase, you won't even do the thing, because now you know too much. And it's gonna sound really, really like too much work. So here's your first step. This is what your first thing is to do.” And I think people underestimate the power of that first step.Robert Mack - 16:24You nailed it. I mean, action, cures anxiety, often, right? I mean, you've got a bench test things. Like that was the discovery with me. Was I going to like Miami or not? Bench tested it. Go to Miami and enjoy yourself for a week or a month or a year and see how it goes. You can always move back, or whatever it is. And so you have to get experience. Sometimes experience is the only explanation. And we sometimes try too hard to figure out things in our head.Lesley Logan - 16:48Yeah, now our head is such a funny, it's, it's so funny, because inside your head, good things that everything takes up a little bit too much too much space. And it gets very muddled. And it's like, I'm always like, if you I just tell people, if you just say it out loud, when you just say out loud what your fear is, it all of a sudden sounds a little funny, you're like, really, that's what I'm afraid of right now.Robert Mack - 17:08So true. When you hear it out loud, it suddenly puts it all in perspective. And you make a great point there too, Lesley, and I just, that's why I love conversation with you. Like, the mind is very rarely, if ever decisive, it's always divisive. You know, the mind is a place of dissonance very rarely, a place of consonance, right. And so a lot of the work for me has been to quiet the mind so I can slip more deeply into the heart and then come from a much more intuitive, deeper knowing place. But it does require you to get some of those thoughts out, or at least that I can go.Lesley Logan - 17:42Yeah, yeah, it's well, you go you said it already was that like, our, our, our brains job, our body's job is to keep us alive. So it's going to probably challenge every thought you have with like, what could go wrong? It's not exactly ready to go, here's what can go right. When you go that way, here's the best thing that's going to happen, you know, that does take, that takes practice.Robert Mack - 18:04That's right. And evolutionarily that wouldn't have been very adaptive, right, would have served you very well. It's like, just go out, you know, for a stroll right now at midnight. And, you know, in the middle of the woods, don't worry about it. Like, you know, you know, the challenge, of course, now the opportunity now is that, you know, lots of these sort of biases and some of the heuristics that the brain uses, you know, they've, they're no longer as valuable or as useful as they often were before, right? So we have to, you know, use this other function of the brain, which, the prefrontal cortex, to kind of think our way through things in a much more relaxed, but clear way.Lesley Logan - 18:40Yeah, I am. I want to go back to, so you didn't know what a happiness coach was. So when did you hear that there was such a thing as a happiness coach? And like, or when did you at least start calling yourself one?Robert Mack - 18:51Yeah. So it's, it's a great question. I'm not sure I ever really did hear of happiness, coaching being a thing. I just remember coming, having this insight. And I'm sure that somebody else facilitated this insight. But the insight was kind of like, what would you do, not only for free, but what would you pay someone else to let you do? Like, what are you doing already that you'd love to do more of that you'd love? You know, that you would even pay someone else to let you do? And I thought, well, I love talking to people about psychology and spirituality, a little bit of business here and there, but mostly around happiness and effortless success. And I thought, well, that'd be sure nice to get folks to pay me to have those conversations. Right? And so, over time, I started to think, well, it's really just happiness that I love helping people with. So I guess I'm a happiness coach. And I really struggled with like the terminology around it. But then I discovered Richard Carlson, who was the author of Don't Sweat the Small Stuff. He kind of was like a stress consultant, happiness coach, and then I discovered Robert Holden, he was the happiness coach. So over time, sort of, you know, you start to see more of what you look for in a way. So it was kind of confirmed or validated for me.Lesley Logan - 19:56Oh, I love that. I grew up. I had a mom who I don't know that she was born happy either. She like, we listened to a lot of Stuart Smalley, you know?Robert Mack - 20:10In my book actually I talk about Stuart Smalley, yeah.Lesley Logan - 20:12Yeah. And I just remember being this kid like, okay, you know, you're smart. You're important, like all, people like me. (Robert Mack: Yes!) So anyway, I mean, if you're listening, you don't know who that is, look him up, because you'll be like, Oh, so many, like, all these people's names, you've probably seen their stuff. At some point just maybe someone else quoted it. And you're like, that's amazing, it resonated with you. Yeah, I think I was like, when you said, I didn't know who, like how it came on, I call myself happiness coach, and then you start to see things. I think a lot of people get stuck on, like, Well, what does that make me? And, what is my title for that? And I remember, even when I started my business, people were calling me the CEO of my business. And I'm like, I'm the CEO of my business, what is that? What does that even mean? Like people will put titles on you if you don't, like get a title on yourself. So like, you gotta, that's probably the one of the first steps I was like, I have to like, come up with something. And so you know, when I started calling myself a Pilates instructor even that felt so weird. Felt so weird to call myself that because there was this part of me that was like, waiting for someone to deem me that. Like, I think we tend to go through life waiting for someone to deem us whatever it is, what we want to be and, and I, I'm gonna I'm gonna guess, but maybe I could be wrong. Like, you didn't wait for someone to deem you the happiness coach, like you called yourself that?Robert Mack - 21:27Yeah, no, I mean, I was, yeah, because I was the only person I knew of who was even talking about happiness in the obsessive compulsive way that I was, and reading every book I could get my hands on. So I was like, No, this is what I am like. And yes, it does feel weird. And part of that is because it's not familiar. Another part of that is sometimes we suffer with imposter syndrome, right? But a third part of that, ultimately, all definition is somewhat limiting, right? Because we don't really, any of us, we don't really fit into a box. And so we call it the happiness coach you like, well, but I'm also talking a little bit about success and everything about executive presence, or confidence, or charisma, or, you know, these other things, love dating relationships. So you can always feel a little uncomfortable, because ultimately, you're so much bigger than that. But (Lesley Logan: Yeah), you think you're so much smaller than that?Lesley Logan - 22:15Yeah, yeah, I think, um, I think if someone is listening, you're like, waiting for someone to tell you what you are, I highly recommend you give yourself your own title, you can make it up whatever you want. I promise you, it's better that way. And you, I think we all will outgrow something to an extent because we are ever changing. And so you know, and it's really simple. You just, you just put a new title on the business card, like you just go into Canva and you just edit.Robert Mack - 22:42No, totally. And it doesn't have to be just one. I mean, depending on who I talked to, I call myself different things. Right? So the executives, my private practice, I'm an executive coach, for you know, the athletes, I might be a peak performance coach, you know, but for everyday people who just care mostly about happiness, and I'm a happiness coach, but really, it's the same thing, we're just using different words, different language, but you don't have to stick to one thing forever. And you don't only have to be one thing even for now.Lesley Logan - 23:06Yeah, that is the coolest thing that, um, I, you know, my parents have always had one job. Right? Like, my mom has been a school teacher, since she started being a school teacher somewhere in my childhood. And that's what she still is. And my dad worked for the post office, which you can't get more of like, this is your job until you get a pension, and he did not get a gold watch. And it was the whole thing, right? So you know, when I went to college for communications, and interpersonal organizational and I didn't even, I was like, I don't want to go to grad school, I don't want to write another paper. I'm over this. So I started working in retail. I didn't know what I was gonna be and I loved it. And I had so much fun. But when I met someone there who said, “you should teach Pilates.” And I was like, I could do that, like, in my mind because of what I saw. And that's what we people have to be really careful of. If you only saw your parents do one thing their whole life, then you start to think that that's it. Like, you don't see what you can do, you don't see that there's other possibilities. And now, you know, since someone just opened up that door, and I think like being aware of people suggesting things like you were aware of someone who said you should be a model. And it's like, no, no, no. And it happens again, you're like, well, maybe I should try this, twice in one week, you know. And so I think it's really important that we don't have to. We can change, we can grow, we can evolve, and now we live in a world that's so much more possible, right? It's not weird to switch jobs after a couple years.Robert Mack - 24:29In fact, it's celebrated. It's celebrated, right? I mean, particularly these days, you know, a lot of the folks that are working my private practice, you know, even if they stay in the same industry, or the same space in general, they are encouraged actually to change jobs after every three, four years. Right? It's a thing now. So absolutely, you know, I think part of the, you know, temptation for all of us, is to impose these limitations on ourselves and then spend our lives trying to overcome these limitations, but most all of it self imposed, yes, that we hear from somebody else that maybe we inherit. Somebody else sure, but every day that we choose those limitations, it's our responsibility, but it's also within our power to make a different decision.Lesley Logan - 25:10Yeah, I love it. So I have a question. And maybe there isn't. But I'm just wondering, is there? Is there a word or a sign like a statement that someone might be saying that is a sign of a limitation? Do you know what I mean? Like, (Robert Mack: Okay), is that clear?Robert Mack - 25:24Yes, totally. So I'm gonna say something very strong. And I can dilute it down, but every thought is limited. So we talked about limiting beliefs. But every belief is limited, to the extent of this belief, right? Every one every single one, there's no exception to that rule. And so ultimately, the limitless state is, one that is thoughtless, that's without thought, right? So every way in which you describe yourself, or define yourself, you're actually limiting yourself, period. So that's the way to know. Am I thinking? Okay. I'm limiting myself in some way. Now, there are much less limiting thoughts than others. Right? And so generally, anything that sounds, I would say, a better way to vet it for yourself is: how does it feel when you say it, right? Because we can all say the same thing. But we'll all feel a little differently based on, you know, our experiences and what we sort of imagined for ourselves and how we see ourselves. And so I'd say you can vet your thoughts better by how they feel than what they sound like. So if the thought doesn't feel inspiring, and enlightening or doesn't make you feel happy to be alive, it's probably limiting thought.Lesley Logan - 26:25Ah, yes, yes, yes. Okay. So, I sometimes, people wonder, like, if someone listening might be thinking, How do I know I should quit something? Right? And that's what your thought, your statement just came to. And I remember Brad and I were working on this project. And he, I was really frustrated with it. I was crying, I was burnt out, because I was trying to, you know, do it as a side hustle while I was working, because I needed to make the money, to make it happen. And so I was doing this job and this project of mine, and he was like, let's just quit it. Just quit it. Like, if it's making you cry, just quit. And the feeling that came over me was regret and frustration and anger, like that was not the answer. And so, while I didn't know how it was going to make it work, I knew based on the feeling in my body, that that was the wrong thing to do. Like it didn't make me feel relieved. Like, if I knew that it was the right answer I would have felt relieved. Okay, I'll just quit. But that was not that wasn't it? So I think that's, I think that's such a great thing. I think we forget that our body is really telling us a lot of things all day long.Robert Mack - 27:32Oh, the body is much wiser. And the brain is older. The brain is, you know, right. So you're absolutely right about that. If you ever have questions or doubts about what you think or believe, just check the body, the body will tell you, you know, generally if it feels like relief or not. So you absolutely nailed it. I mean, and that's the challenge. That's the challenge with, you know, and why we can't really give people like a guidebook or a rulebook and say, these are limits, these are the most limiting thoughts, because for some people, that would have been the perfect answer. Quit! Yes! They feel relief, they want to just go running, you know, and into the sunset, they were - loved it. But for you, it was a very different response, and that there was a deep knowing in that. So I agree with you there. And I've had the same experience in my own life. Like, you know, there have been opportunities for me where it's like, oh, you can get paid this amount of money to work this corporate job, and I'm like, kill me now. I'm good. I'm gonna pass on that. But I love the idea of, you know, the opportunity for somebody else. So you're absolutely right, I think we want to reach for feelings of relief, ultimately. And that doesn't mean there aren't going to be moments that are uncomfortable, that you still might want to lean into. But it's such a personal thing. It's very hard for somebody outside of you to tell you what's right for you.Lesley Logan - 28:34Yeah, and I think that's the hardest part, because everyone's listening like, Okay, tell me what I'm, when I say this, this is the thing that's, that's holding you back or when it's just you. It takes so much personal knowing and just like checking in with yourself. And I think that takes so much work, because I think a lot of people are scared of what, I think they know the answer, and they're too scared of it. It's just scary to do.Robert Mack - 28:57Well, absolutely. And it's so hard to hear your heart, when your mind is so noisy, right? If you're listening to the mind, and the mouth, the mind shouts and pretends to know so much, but it actually knows so little, the heart just speaks in a whisper and it knows everything. But you think that it knows nothing. So that's what any of these practices are about: yoga, or mindfulness or meditation, or prayer or visualization, ultimately, it's about quieting your mind, ideally, long enough and deep enough that you can hear this deeper, intuitive, all knowing presence. Right? And so I love what you're saying there. And it's a little hard to figure it out when you're only living your life, through your mind and through your thoughts.Lesley Logan - 29:37Yeah, so, I mean, obviously, because of your journal that led to a book you would tell people to journal. Yeah.Robert Mack - 29:43Yes, I love journaling. And I would say you know, depending on where you are, if you're just starting out in this journey, journaling, whatever, just free association is great, wherever you're thinking and feeling is fine. Ultimately, though you want to eventually get to a place where you're journaling or focusing on what you love about life, about the people and particularly about yourself that will help to rewire your brain, to make happiness and love and peace, much less effortful and much more automatic.Lesley Logan - 30:10Yeah, I, this is I love that you start with a free association because here's the deal, y'all, feel if you don't know me already, I'm a recovering perfectionist, I definitely the ing is there. We're good. I'm also a recovering overachiever. So there's like, there's a couple little things in there. And I remember my therapist was like, it was right after the pandemic started. And I was having a meeting with her. And she said, I think you just need to journal. And I was like, Okay, I can do that. And then I go back the next week and I'm like, so I didn't journal because I have a journal. And it's sitting here. And actually, let me show you all the journals I've purchased in the last 10 years. So I have all these pretty journals. And they're all empty, because I actually don't know how to journal like, what do you journal? Right? And she started laughing, she's like, of course, because you have a perfectionist problem. And just so you know, there's no right way. And I'm like, “But okay, thank you for that. I need direction, I need direction.” So she had me do morning pages. And I said, I've heard of morning pages, I just don't have time to read that book. And I want to read the book. And she said, you don't have to read a book, this is what you're gonna do. You're gonna grab a legal pad of paper as soon as you get up in the morning, you're gonna write until you hit three pages, and then don't re-read it. And, y'all, if you have if you're like listening, and you're like, thanks for the journaling tip again. For if you can't get to the part where you do like really intention journaling, where you're like looking at gratitudes looking at wins, looking what's going really, well, trust me, the free writing on three pages first thing in the morning, you become so aware of the thoughts that you're not actually paying attention to. It's like that meditation you're talking about. And I really discovered so much within two weeks of it. And I was like, this is the most amazing thing. I still do it every morning. It's my favorite thing. Usually, it starts with I hate the mornings. Oh my god, and I'm a morning person, but who wants to wake up? No one. So I, I just highly recommend anyone who's really stuck on like, what do I journal about, just write for three pages, and you will figure it out.Robert Mack - 32:03I love that so much. And you're so right about that. And you know, there's a great metaphor I think about sometimes, like most of us are so lost in our thinking every day. And most of that thinking is redundant, it's negative, it's super stressful. Okay, we're so lost in it. It's kind of like being in a movie. And you're just so caught up in this like horror flick, you're just so into it, you're so freaked out the entire time that you forget, it's actually a movie. They're just fake characters. It's a fake plot, it's all made up, we forget that. And part of what journaling allows you to do is step back a little bit from that movie. And remember, you're actually in a movie theater, and you can step out of the movie theater, if you want, you can turn off the projector, you can maybe redo the scenes, whatever it is that you want. So that's the beauty and power of journaling, to some extent is that you get to become sort of this non judgmental observer, or witness of the crazy thoughts that you often have. And then at some point, you can make a different decision, or different choice when it comes to any of those thoughts.Lesley Logan - 32:58Amazing, amazing. And I am the person who screams in a movie because I'm like living the movie. I'm like with them. So horror films are not around here because it's like, I may as well be that like, “turn around!” I can't do it. But that's so true. It's like journaling does let you do that. Thank you for sharing that. I think that it's something that's an easy thing for people to do right now. To really help them figure out what their body already is trying to tell them. I'm really into that so before we wrap this up, I'm really enjoying this, I hope everyone's having too much fun learning everything. Where can people find you? Just so that they can start because they're already going on? Want to learn more from you?Robert MAck - 33:37I so appreciate and adore you. I mean, I mean I thank you so much not just for who you are, but for what you do. Just amazing. So you can find me at coachrobmac.com. That's my website. You can also find me on most social media platforms, but probably most consistently Instagram @RobMack (MACK) official.Lesley Logan - 33:58Yeah, I love it. I have a friend who's also an official at the end and like, I should do that. I want to I'm official.Robert Mack - 34:04Well, I knew what the beginning was like, I knew when they had come up with that check. We're gonna all be chasing this check mark thing now. And I'm like, I'm gonna make it official. I don't need the check mark. I'm declaring it for myself.Lesley Logan - 34:16That is the ultimate Be It Till You See It. You're like, I don't even need the check mark. I'm already officially checked. That's awesome.Robert Mack - 34:23I'm gonna outsource this self approval thing. You know.Lesley Logan - 34:27That's it. I mean, it's so in line with what you do. And it's really funny. I mean, it's people do get too caught up. There's always gonna be something we're chasing. I think that's the nature of what the world wants. This is for so busy chasing something that's like, Who cares? Who cares what the check mark is? Someone has a check mark and I saw four posts. I'm like, Well, obviously you can buy that then because like how did you get that with the four posts?Robert Mack - 34:49You nailed it. You're right about this too, which is a really profound point. I want to just highlight what you say because it was so profound. I want people to hear it. Like you don't want to spend this very short life chasing temporary things, that there's a huge danger in that. And actually, if you can turn it around, if you can stand, you can just prioritize, like, this happiness that's on the inside. You'll find that the successful things that you're after, whether it's health or relationships or money or more recognition, it shows up with so much less energy, time and effort. And so that's the one thing I just want to remind folks that because that's a poignant remark.Lesley Logan - 35:22Yeah, um, thank you for pointing that out. I love when things can be repeated, because some people need to hear it in different ways. And it's so true that some people call it a flow state, you know that you get in there. And it's the, I've heard of other things like the doors are closing. And then when you're on it, the doors keep opening. And I know people who are listening to me for like, I'm just hitting closed doors. And I'm like, I promise you, I promise you, it's just because it's part of the process, you've got to go on, like you've got those doors are closing on you for a reason. And then there'll be plenty of doors opening and it will, it will happen when you probably stop chasing what you think you're supposed to be doing. And start asking your body the questions that it really should be doing.Robert Mack - 35:59Giving up on that inner door and inner doors that when you get to knock on all these other doors, when you, when you prioritize knocking on the outer doors, you just postpone, ultimately, where the greatest happiness and the greatest success is found.Lesley Logan - 36:10Yeah, beautiful. Okay, so before I let you go, I really like people to have tangible takeaways. I mean, we've nailed several already. So the journaling one is big, but what is something a tip that you can give people that they could take away now, that they could be it to something bold, executable, something to find that intrinsic motivation or something targetable. Can be one, can be four. What would you tell people?Robert Mack - 36:31Number one, make happiness the most important goal in your entire life. Like if you can prioritize that, I promise you that everything else will take care of itself. So that's number one. Number two is recognize that happiness is always inside. And it can be found first through positive thinking, or really telling a better feeling story based on truth about everything and everybody in your life. And secondly, by not thinking at all, ultimately, what we're all heading is to simply being the peace and love and the happiness that we ultimately want to experience, the future being it now. And every time you have a moment when you're not lost in thought, and you're just breathing in the moment, and you're not trying to figure out the future, and you're not reminiscing about the past, and you're just deeply present, you already are being the happiness that you're ultimately chasing through these other people in these other things. And so that's the final thing I'll say is, try not to route your happiness through other people, places and things, but instead go directly to the source for it. And you can do that both through positive thinking on one hand, that's putting it simply and not thinking on the other.Lesley Logan - 37:41Amazing! Obviously, we could talk for hours, we'll have to have you back for sure. Like I'm just this is a conversation, keep going. And I'm so grateful for you. I really, really am. So thank you for being here, Rob. Everyone, follow him? Screenshot this podcast, tag us both on Instagram with your takeaways. We can see what you got out of this and we can share what you posted with those who are following us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, and I'll see you soon.Robert Mack - 38:06See you soon!---Lesley LoganThat's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast!One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review.And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts.Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at be_it_pod! 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This week on the show, Ellie recaps her One Direction night and Beau talks about his time at the Celebrity Softball Game which soon led him for his new profound love of the sport! Then, Celebrity Happiness Coach and Author, Rob Mack, joins them on the line. He is talking having a positive mindset daily, keeping happy thoughts over the smallest things that make people upset, and much more! He even gets Beau to open up about a recent experience with someone he liked, and gives him advice on how to cope with the situation. Alicia Keys even gets thrown into the discussion; tune in to find out why! Show some love to the show by leaving a review, rating, and hitting subscribe! Call 832-872-2034 to be a part of Dear Beau and Ellie! Follow the show on Instagram: instagram.com/doingitbestpod THANK YOU TO THIS WEEKS SPONSORS: Omio: Use code LISTENER5 at checkout to save 5% off. https://omio.sjv.io/c/2544961/1078765/7385 valid until June 30th BRÜUSH: Use code POD15 for 15% your purchase! https://bit.ly/3xe5g7S valid until June 23rd  

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 Which came first, success or happiness? You won't want to miss Rob Mack's insights on the relationship between success and happiness through the lens of positive psychology. One of only dozens with his credentials, Rob Mack is a leading expert on what makes life worth living and has the numbers to back up why happy isn't just a feeling: it's a force for transformation, a competitive advantage and a way to a better future. Join us and come on get happy! Rob Mack Is an Ivy League-educated, celebrity HAPPINESS coach.  He Is a positive psychology expert and author of the book, "Happiness from the Inside Out."  He was the host of the hit streaming TV show "Good Morning LaLa Land." He has been featured on popular shows like "Access Hollywood," "Good Morning America," "The Today Show," E! "Famously Single," "Entertainment Tonight," and the CBS "Early Show."He has also been featured In magazines like Self, Health, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, GQ, and Forbes.  Rob has a Masters In Applied Positive Psychology from the University of Pennslyvania. Only a few dozen people In the world have this degree.  He has coached top executives, A-List celebrities, and professional athletes.  Keep In touch with Rob:Website: www.coachrobmack.comIG, FB, Twitter: @robmackofficialhttps://linktr.ee/rebeccaewhitman

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