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All speakers are announced at AIE EU, schedule coming soon. Join us there or in Miami with the renowned organizers of React Miami! Singapore CFP also open!We've called this out a few times over in AINews, but the overwhelming consensus in the Valley is that “the IDE is Dead”. In November it was just a gut feeling, but now we actually have data: even at the canonical “VSCode Fork” company, people are officially using more agents than tab autocomplete (the first wave of AI coding):Cursor has launched cloud agents for a few months now, and this specific launch is around Computer Use, which has come a long way since we first talked with Anthropic about it in 2024, and which Jonas productized as Autotab:We also take the opportunity to do a live demo, talk about slash commands and subagents, and the future of continual learning and personalized coding models, something that Sam previously worked on at New Computer. (The fact that both of these folks are top tier CEOs of their own startups that have now joined the insane talent density gathering at Cursor should also not be overlooked).Full Episode on YouTube!please like and subscribe!Timestamps00:00 Agentic Code Experiments00:53 Why Cloud Agents Matter02:08 Testing First Pillar03:36 Video Reviews Second Pillar04:29 Remote Control Third Pillar06:17 Meta Demos and Bug Repro13:36 Slash Commands and MCPs18:19 From Tab to Team Workflow31:41 Minimal Web UI Philosophy32:40 Why No File Editor34:38 Full Stack Cursor Debate36:34 Model Choice and Auto Routing38:34 Parallel Agents and Best Of N41:41 Subagents and Context Management44:48 Grind Mode and Throughput Future01:00:24 Cloud Agent Onboarding and MemoryTranscriptEP 77 - CURSOR - Audio version[00:00:00]Agentic Code ExperimentsSamantha: This is another experiment that we ran last year and didn't decide to ship at that time, but may come back to LM Judge, but one that was also agentic and could write code. So it wasn't just picking but also taking the learnings from two models or and models that it was looking at and writing a new diff.And what we found was that there were strengths to using models from different model providers as the base level of this process. Basically you could get almost like a synergistic output that was better than having a very unified like bottom model tier.Jonas: We think that over the coming months, the big unlock is not going to be one person with a model getting more done, like the water flowing faster and we'll be making the pipe much wider and so paralyzing more, whether that's swarms of agents or parallel agents, both of those are things that contribute to getting much more done in the same amount of time.Why Cloud Agents Matterswyx: This week, one of the biggest launches that Cursor's ever done is cloud agents. I think you, you had [00:01:00] cloud agents before, but this was like, you give cursor a computer, right? Yeah. So it's just basically they bought auto tab and then they repackaged it. Is that what's going on, or,Jonas: that's a big part of it.Yeah. Cloud agents already ran in their own computers, but they were sort of site reading code. Yeah. And those computers were not, they were like blank VMs typically that were not set up for the Devrel X for whatever repo the agents working on. One of the things that we talk about is if you put yourself in the model shoes and you were seeing tokens stream by and all you could do was cite read code and spit out tokens and hope that you had done the right thing,swyx: no chanceJonas: I'd be so bad.Like you obviously you need to run the code. And so that I think also is probably not that contrarian of a take, but no one has done that yet. And so giving the model the tools to onboard itself and then use full computer use end-to-end pixels in coordinates out and have the cloud computer with different apps in it is the big unlock that we've seen internally in terms of use usage of this going from, oh, we use it for little copy changes [00:02:00] to no.We're really like driving new features with this kind of new type of entech workflow. Alright, let's see it. Cool.Live Demo TourJonas: So this is what it looks like in cursor.com/agents. So this is one I kicked off a while ago. So on the left hand side is the chat. Very classic sort of agentic thing. The big new thing here is that the agent will test its changes.So you can see here it worked for half an hour. That is because it not only took time to write the tokens of code, it also took time to test them end to end. So it started Devrel servers iterate when needed. And so that's one part of it is like model works for longer and doesn't come back with a, I tried some things pr, but a I tested at pr that's ready for your review.One of the other intuition pumps we use there is if a human gave you a PR asked you to review it and you hadn't, they hadn't tested it, you'd also be annoyed because you'd be like, only ask me for a review once it's actually ready. So that's what we've done withTesting Defaults and Controlsswyx: simple question I wanted to gather out front.Some prs are way smaller, [00:03:00] like just copy change. Does it always do the video or is it sometimes,Jonas: Sometimes.swyx: Okay. So what's the judgment?Jonas: The model does it? So we we do some default prompting with sort. What types of changes to test? There's a slash command that people can do called slash no test, where if you do that, the model will not test,swyx: but the default is test.Jonas: The default is to be calibrated. So we tell it don't test, very simple copy changes, but test like more complex things. And then users can also write their agents.md and specify like this type of, if you're editing this subpart of my mono repo, never tested ‘cause that won't work or whatever.Videos and Remote ControlJonas: So pillar one is the model actually testing Pillar two is the model coming back with a video of what it did.We have found that in this new world where agents can end-to-end, write much more code, reviewing the code is one of these new bottlenecks that crop up. And so reviewing a video is not a substitute for reviewing code, but it is an entry point that is much, much easier to start with than glancing at [00:04:00] some giant diff.And so typically you kick one off you, it's done you come back and the first thing that you would do is watch this video. So this is a, video of it. In this case I wanted a tool tip over this button. And so it went and showed me what that looks like in, in this video that I think here, it actually used a gallery.So sometimes it will build storybook type galleries where you can see like that component in action. And so that's pillar two is like these demo videos of what it built. And then pillar number three is I have full remote control access to this vm. So I can go heat in here. I can hover things, I can type, I have full control.And same thing for the terminal. I have full access. And so that is also really useful because sometimes the video is like all you need to see. And oftentimes by the way, the video's not perfect, the video will show you, is this worth either merging immediately or oftentimes is this worth iterating with to get it to that final stage where I am ready to merge in.So I can go through some other examples where the first video [00:05:00] wasn't perfect, but it gave me confidence that we were on the right track and two or three follow-ups later, it was good to go. And then I also have full access here where some things you just wanna play around with. You wanna get a feel for what is this and there's no substitute to a live preview.And the VNC kind of VM remote access gives you that.swyx: Amazing What, sorry? What is VN. AndJonas: just the remote desktop. Remote desktop. Yeah.swyx: Sam, any other details that you always wanna call out?Samantha: Yeah, for me the videos have been super helpful. I would say, especially in cases where a common problem for me with agents and cloud agents beforehand was almost like under specification in my requests where our plan mode and going really back and forth and getting detailed implementation spec is a way to reduce the risk of under specification, but then similar to how human communication breaks down over time, I feel like you have this risk where it's okay, when I pull down, go to the triple of pulling down and like running this branch locally, I'm gonna see that, like I said, this should be a toggle and you have a checkbox and like, why didn't you get that detail?And having the video up front just [00:06:00] has that makes that alignment like you're talking about a shared artifact with the agent. Very clear, which has been just super helpful for me.Jonas: I can quickly run through some other Yes. Examples.Meta Agents and More DemosJonas: So this is a very front end heavy one. So one question I wasswyx: gonna say, is this only for frontJonas: end?Exactly. One question you might have is this only for front end? So this is another example where the thing I wanted it to implement was a better error message for saving secrets. So the cloud agents support adding secrets, that's part of what it needs to access certain systems. Part of onboarding that is giving access.This is cloud is working onswyx: cloud agents. Yes.Jonas: So this is a fun thing isSamantha: it can get super meta. ItJonas: can get super meta, it can start its own cloud agents, it can talk to its own cloud agents. Sometimes it's hard to wrap your mind around that. We have disabled, it's cloud agents starting more cloud agents. So we currently disallow that.Someday you might. Someday we might. Someday we might. So this actually was mostly a backend change in terms of the error handling here, where if the [00:07:00] secret is far too large, it would oh, this is actually really cool. Wow. That's the Devrel tools. That's the Devrel tools. So if the secret is far too large, we.Allow secrets above a certain size. We have a size limit on them. And the error message there was really bad. It was just some generic failed to save message. So I was like, Hey, we wanted an error message. So first cool thing it did here, zero prompting on how to test this. Instead of typing out the, like a character 5,000 times to hit the limit, it opens Devrel tools, writes js, or to paste into the input 5,000 characters of the letter A and then hit save, closes the Devrel tools, hit save and gets this new gets the new error message.So that looks like the video actually cut off, but here you can see the, here you can see the screenshot of the of the error message. What, so that is like frontend backend end-to-end feature to, to get that,swyx: yeah.Jonas: Andswyx: And you just need a full vm, full computer run everything.Okay. Yeah.Jonas: Yeah. So we've had versions of this. This is one of the auto tab lessons where we started that in 2022. [00:08:00] No, in 2023. And at the time it was like browser use, DOM, like all these different things. And I think we ended up very sort of a GI pilled in the sense that just give the model pixels, give it a box, a brain in a box is what you want and you want to remove limitations around context and capabilities such that the bottleneck should be the intelligence.And given how smart models are today, that's a very far out bottleneck. And so giving it its full VM and having it be onboarded with Devrel X set up like a human would is just been for us internally a really big step change in capability.swyx: Yeah I would say, let's call it a year ago the models weren't even good enough to do any of this stuff.SoSamantha: even six months ago. Yeah.swyx: So yeah what people have told me is like round about Sonder four fire is when this started being good enough to just automate fully by pixel.Jonas: Yeah, I think it's always a question of when is good enough. I think we found in particular with Opus 4 5, 4, 6, and Codex five three, that those were additional step [00:09:00] changes in the autonomy grade capabilities of the model to just.Go off and figure out the details and come back when it's done.swyx: I wanna appreciate a couple details. One 10 Stack Router. I see it. Yeah. I'm a big fan. Do you know any, I have to name the 10 Stack.Jonas: No.swyx: This just a random lore. Some buddy Sue Tanner. My and then the other thing if you switch back to the video.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: I wanna shout out this thing. Probably Sam did it. I don't knowJonas: the chapters.swyx: What is this called? Yeah, this is called Chapters. Yeah. It's like a Vimeo thing. I don't know. But it's so nice the design details, like the, and obviously a company called Cursor has to have a beautiful cursorSamantha: and it isswyx: the cursor.Samantha: Cursor.swyx: You see it branded? It's the cursor. Cursor, yeah. Okay, cool. And then I was like, I complained to Evan. I was like, okay, but you guys branded everything but the wallpaper. And he was like, no, that's a cursor wallpaper. I was like, what?Samantha: Yeah. Rio picked the wallpaper, I think. Yeah. The video.That's probably Alexi and yeah, a few others on the team with the chapters on the video. Matthew Frederico. There's been a lot of teamwork on this. It's a huge effort.swyx: I just, I like design details.Samantha: Yeah.swyx: And and then when you download it adds like a little cursor. Kind of TikTok clip. [00:10:00] Yes. Yes.So it's to make it really obvious is from Cursor,Jonas: we did the TikTok branding at the end. This was actually in our launch video. Alexi demoed the cloud agent that built that feature. Which was funny because that was an instance where one of the things that's been a consequence of having these videos is we use best of event where you run head to head different models on the same prompt.We use that a lot more because one of the complications with doing that before was you'd run four models and they would come back with some giant diff, like 700 lines of code times four. It's what are you gonna do? You're gonna review all that's horrible. But if you come back with four 22nd videos, yeah, I'll watch four 22nd videos.And then even if none of them is perfect, you can figure out like, which one of those do you want to iterate with, to get it over the line. Yeah. And so that's really been really fun.Bug Repro WorkflowJonas: Here's another example. That's we found really cool, which is we've actually turned since into a slash command as well slash [00:11:00] repro, where for bugs in particular, the model of having full access to the to its own vm, it can first reproduce the bug, make a video of the bug reproducing, fix the bug, make a video of the bug being fixed, like doing the same pattern workflow with obviously the bug not reproducing.And that has been the single category that has gone from like these types of bugs, really hard to reproduce and pick two tons of time locally, even if you try a cloud agent on it. Are you confident it actually fixed it to when this happens? You'll merge it in 90 seconds or something like that.So this is an example where, let me see if this is the broken one or the, okay, this is the fixed one. Okay. So we had a bug on cursor.com/agents where if you would attach images where remove them. Then still submit your prompt. They would actually still get attached to the prompt. Okay. And so here you can see Cursor is using, its full desktop by the way.This is one of the cases where if you just do, browse [00:12:00] use type stuff, you'll have a bad time. ‘cause now it needs to upload files. Like it just uses its native file viewer to do that. And so you can see here it's uploading files. It's going to submit a prompt and then it will go and open up. So this is the meta, this is cursor agent, prompting cursor agent inside its own environment.And so you can see here bug, there's five images attached, whereas when it's submitted, it only had one image.swyx: I see. Yeah. But you gotta enable that if you're gonna use cur agent inside cur.Jonas: Exactly. And so here, this is then the after video where it went, it does the same thing. It attaches images, removes, some of them hit send.And you can see here, once this agent is up, only one of the images is left in the attachments. Yeah.swyx: Beautiful.Jonas: Okay. So easy merge.swyx: So yeah. When does it choose to do this? Because this is an extra step.Jonas: Yes. I think I've not done a great job yet of calibrating the model on when to reproduce these things.Yeah. Sometimes it will do it of its own accord. Yeah. We've been conservative where we try to have it only do it when it's [00:13:00] quite sure because it does add some amount of time to how long it takes it to work on it. But we also have added things like the slash repro command where you can just do, fix this bug slash repro and then it will know that it should first make you a video of it actually finding and making sure it can reproduce the bug.swyx: Yeah. Yeah. One sort of ML topic this ties into is reward hacking, where while you write test that you update only pass. So first write test, it shows me it fails, then make you test pass, which is a classic like red green.Jonas: Yep.swyx: LikeJonas: A-T-D-D-T-D-Dswyx: thing.No, very cool. Was that the last demo? Is thereJonas: Yeah.Anything I missed on the demos or points that you think? I think thatSamantha: covers it well. Yeah.swyx: Cool. Before we stop the screen share, can you gimme like a, just a tour of the slash commands ‘cause I so God ready. Huh, what? What are the good ones?Samantha: Yeah, we wanna increase discoverability around this too.I think that'll be like a future thing we work on. Yeah. But there's definitely a lot of good stuff nowJonas: we have a lot of internal ones that I think will not be that interesting. Here's an internal one that I've made. I don't know if anyone else at Cursor uses this one. Fix bb.Samantha: I've never heard of it.Jonas: Yeah.[00:14:00]Fix Bug Bot. So this is a thing that we want to integrate more tightly on. So you made it forswyx: yourself.Jonas: I made this for myself. It's actually available to everyone in the team, but yeah, no one knows about it. But yeah, there will be Bug bot comments and so Bug Bot has a lot of cool things. We actually just launched Bug Bot Auto Fix, where you can click a button and or change a setting and it will automatically fix its own things, and that works great in a bunch of cases.There are some cases where having the context of the original agent that created the PR is really helpful for fixing the bugs, because it might be like, oh, the bug here is that this, is a regression and actually you meant to do something more like that. And so having the original prompt and all of the context of the agent that worked on it, and so here I could just do, fix or we used to be able to do fixed PB and it would do that.No test is another one that we've had. Slash repro is in here. We mentioned that one.Samantha: One of my favorites is cloud agent diagnosis. This is one that makes heavy use of the Datadog MCP. Okay. And I [00:15:00] think Nick and David on our team wrote, and basically if there is a problem with a cloud agent we'll spin up a bunch of subs.Like a singleswyx: instance.Samantha: Yeah. We'll take the ideas and argument and spin up a bunch of subagents using the Datadog MCP to explore the logs and find like all of the problems that could have happened with that. It takes the debugging time, like from potentially you can do quick stuff quickly with the Datadog ui, but it takes it down to, again, like a single agent call as opposed to trolling through logs yourself.Jonas: You should also talk about the stuff we've done with transcripts.Samantha: Yes. Also so basically we've also done some things internally. There'll be some versions of this as we ship publicly soon, where you can spit up an agent and give it access to another agent's transcript to either basically debug something that happened.So act as an external debugger. I see. Or continue the conversation. Almost like forking it.swyx: A transcript includes all the chain of thought for the 11 minutes here. 45 minutes there.Samantha: Yeah. That way. Exactly. So basically acting as a like secondary agent that debugs the first, so we've started to push more andswyx: they're all the same [00:16:00] code.It is just the different prompts, but the sa the same.Samantha: Yeah. So basically same cloud agent infrastructure and then same harness. And then like when we do things like include, there's some extra infrastructure that goes into piping in like an external transcript if we include it as an attachment.But for things like the cloud agent diagnosis, that's mostly just using the Datadog MCP. ‘Cause we also launched CPS along with along with this cloud agent launch, launch support for cloud agent cps.swyx: Oh, that was drawn out.Jonas: We won't, we'll be doing a bigger marketing moment for it next week, but, and you can now use CPS andswyx: People will listen to it as well.Yeah,Jonas: they'llSamantha: be ahead of the third. They'll be ahead. And I would I actually don't know if the Datadog CP is like publicly available yet. I realize this not sure beta testing it, but it's been one of my favorites to use. Soswyx: I think that one's interesting for Datadog. ‘cause Datadog wants to own that site.Interesting with Bits. I don't know if you've tried bits.Samantha: I haven't tried bits.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: That's their cloud agentswyx: product. Yeah. Yeah. They want to be like we own your logs and give us our, some part of the, [00:17:00] self-healing software that everyone wants. Yeah. But obviously Cursor has a strong opinion on coding agents and you, you like taking away from the which like obviously you're going to do, and not every company's like Cursor, but it's interesting if you're a Datadog, like what do you do here?Do you expose your logs to FDP and let other people do it? Or do you try to own that it because it's extra business for you? Yeah. It's like an interesting one.Samantha: It's a good question. All I know is that I love the Datadog MCP,Jonas: And yeah, it is gonna be no, no surprise that people like will demand it, right?Samantha: Yeah.swyx: It's, it's like anysystemswyx: of record company like this, it's like how much do you give away? Cool. I think that's that for the sort of cloud agents tour. Cool. And we just talk about like cloud agents have been when did Kirsten loves cloud agents? Do you know, in JuneJonas: last year.swyx: June last year. So it's been slowly develop the thing you did, like a bunch of, like Michael did a post where himself, where he like showed this chart of like ages overtaking tap. And I'm like, wow, this is like the biggest transition in code.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: Like in, in [00:18:00] like the last,Jonas: yeah. I think that kind of got turned out.Yeah. I think it's a very interest,swyx: not at all. I think it's been highlighted by our friend Andre Kati today.Jonas: Okay.swyx: Talk more about it. What does it mean? Yeah. Is I just got given like the cursor tab key.Jonas: Yes. Yes.swyx: That's that'sSamantha: cool.swyx: I know, but it's gonna be like put in a museum.Jonas: It is.Samantha: I have to say I haven't used tab a little bit myself.Jonas: Yeah. I think that what it looks like to code with AI code generally creates software, even if you want to go higher level. Is changing very rapidly. No, not a hot take, but I think from our vendor's point at Cursor, I think one of the things that is probably underappreciated from the outside is that we are extremely self-aware about that fact and Kerscher, got its start in phase one, era one of like tab and auto complete.And that was really useful in its time. But a lot of people start looking at text files and editing code, like we call it hand coding. Now when you like type out the actual letters, it'sswyx: oh that's cute.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: Oh that's cute.Jonas: You're so boomer. So boomer. [00:19:00] And so that I think has been a slowly accelerating and now in the last few months, rapidly accelerating shift.And we think that's going to happen again with the next thing where the, I think some of the pains around tab of it's great, but I actually just want to give more to the agent and I don't want to do one tab at a time. I want to just give it a task and it goes off and does a larger unit of work and I can.Lean back a little bit more and operate at that higher level of abstraction that's going to happen again, where it goes from agents handing you back diffs and you're like in the weeds and giving it, 32nd to three minute tasks, to, you're giving it, three minute to 30 minute to three hour tasks and you're getting back videos and trying out previews rather than immediately looking at diffs every single time.swyx: Yeah. Anything to add?Samantha: One other shift that I've noticed as our cloud agents have really taken off internally has been a shift from primarily individually driven development to almost this collaborative nature of development for us, slack is actually almost like a development on [00:20:00] Id basically.So Iswyx: like maybe don't even build a custom ui, like maybe that's like a debugging thing, but actually it's that.Samantha: I feel like, yeah, there's still so much to left to explore there, but basically for us, like Slack is where a lot of development happens. Like we will have these issue channels or just like this product discussion channels where people are always at cursing and that kicks off a cloud agent.And for us at least, we have team follow-ups enabled. So if Jonas kicks off at Cursor in a thread, I can follow up with it and add more context. And so it turns into almost like a discussion service where people can like collaborate on ui. Oftentimes I will kick off an investigation and then sometimes I even ask it to get blame and then tag people who should be brought in. ‘cause it can tag people in Slack and then other people will comeswyx: in, can tag other people who are not involved in conversation. Yes. Can just do at Jonas if say, was talking to,Samantha: yeah.swyx: That's cool. You should, you guys should make a big good deal outta that.Samantha: I know. It's a lot to, I feel like there's a lot more to do with our slack surface area to show people externally. But yeah, basically like it [00:21:00] can bring other people in and then other people can also contribute to that thread and you can end up with a PR again, with the artifacts visible and then people can be like, okay, cool, we can merge this.So for us it's like the ID is almost like moving into Slack in some ways as well.swyx: I have the same experience with, but it's not developers, it's me. Designer salespeople.Samantha: Yeah.swyx: So me on like technical marketing, vision, designer on design and then salespeople on here's the legal source of what we agreed on.And then they all just collaborate and correct. The agents,Jonas: I think that we found when these threads is. The work that is left, that the humans are discussing in these threads is the nugget of what is actually interesting and relevant. It's not the boring details of where does this if statement go?It's do we wanna ship this? Is this the right ux? Is this the right form factor? Yeah. How do we make this more obvious to the user? It's like those really interesting kind of higher order questions that are so easy to collaborate with and leave the implementation to the cloud agent.Samantha: Totally. And no more discussion of am I gonna do this? Are you [00:22:00] gonna do this cursor's doing it? You just have to decide. You like it.swyx: Sometimes the, I don't know if there's a, this probably, you guys probably figured this out already, but since I, you need like a mute button. So like cursor, like we're going to take this offline, but still online.But like we need to talk among the humans first. Before you like could stop responding to everything.Jonas: Yeah. This is a design decision where currently cursor won't chime in unless you explicitly add Mention it. Yeah. Yeah.Samantha: So it's not always listening.Yeah.Jonas: I can see all the intermediate messages.swyx: Have you done the recursive, can cursor add another cursor or spawn another cursor?Samantha: Oh,Jonas: we've done some versions of this.swyx: Because, ‘cause it can add humans.Jonas: Yes. One of the other things we've been working on that's like an implication of generating the code is so easy is getting it to production is still harder than it should be.And broadly, you solve one bottleneck and three new ones pop up. Yeah. And so one of the new bottlenecks is getting into production and we have a like joke internally where you'll be talking about some feature and someone says, I have a PR for that. Which is it's so easy [00:23:00] to get to, I a PR for that, but it's hard still relatively to get from I a PR for that to, I'm confident and ready to merge this.And so I think that over the coming weeks and months, that's a thing that we think a lot about is how do we scale up compute to that pipeline of getting things from a first draft An agent did.swyx: Isn't that what Merge isn't know what graphite's for, likeJonas: graphite is a big part of that. The cloud agent testingswyx: Is it fully integrated or still different companiesJonas: working on I think we'll have more to share there in the future, but the goal is to have great end-to-end experience where Cursor doesn't just help you generate code tokens, it helps you create software end-to-end.And so review is a big part of that, that I think especially as models have gotten much better at writing code, generating code, we've felt that relatively crop up more,swyx: sorry this is completely unplanned, but like there I have people arguing one to you need ai. To review ai and then there is another approach, thought school of thought where it's no, [00:24:00] reviews are dead.Like just show me the video. It's it like,Samantha: yeah. I feel again, for me, the video is often like alignment and then I often still wanna go through a code review process.swyx: Like still look at the files andSamantha: everything. Yeah. There's a spectrum of course. Like the video, if it's really well done and it does like fully like test everything, you can feel pretty competent, but it's still helpful to, to look at the code.I make hep pay a lot of attention to bug bot. I feel like Bug Bot has been a great really highly adopted internally. We often like, won't we tell people like, don't leave bug bot comments unaddressed. ‘cause we have such high confidence in it. So people always address their bug bot comments.Jonas: Once you've had two cases where you merged something and then you went back later, there was a bug in it, you merged, you went back later and you were like, ah, bug Bot had found that I should have listened to Bug Bot.Once that happens two or three times, you learn to wait for bug bot.Samantha: Yeah. So I think for us there's like that code level review where like it's looking at the actual code and then there's like the like feature level review where you're looking at the features. There's like a whole number of different like areas.There'll probably eventually be things like performance level review, security [00:25:00] review, things like that where it's like more more different aspects of how this feature might affect your code base that you want to potentially leverage an agent to help with.Jonas: And some of those like bug bot will be synchronous and you'll typically want to wait on before you merge.But I think another thing that we're starting to see is. As with cloud agents, you scale up this parallelism and how much code you generate. 10 person startups become, need the Devrel X and pipelines that a 10,000 person company used to need. And that looks like a lot of the things I think that 10,000 person companies invented in order to get that volume of software to production safely.So that's things like, release frequently or release slowly, have different stages where you release, have checkpoints, automated ways of detecting regressions. And so I think we're gonna need stacks merg stack diffs merge queues. Exactly. A lot of those things are going to be importantswyx: forward with.I think the majority of people still don't know what stack stacks are. And I like, I have many friends in Facebook and like I, I'm pretty friendly with graphite. I've just, [00:26:00] I've never needed it ‘cause I don't work on that larger team and it's just like democratization of no, only here's what we've already worked out at very large scale and here's how you can, it benefits you too.Like I think to me, one of the beautiful things about GitHub is that. It's actually useful to me as an individual solo developer, even though it's like actually collaboration software.Jonas: Yep.swyx: And I don't think a lot of Devrel tools have figured that out yet. That transition from like large down to small.Jonas: Yeah. Kers is probably an inverse story.swyx: This is small down toJonas: Yeah. Where historically Kers share, part of why we grew so quickly was anyone on the team could pick it up and in fact people would pick it up, on the weekend for their side project and then bring it into work. ‘cause they loved using it so much.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: And I think a thing that we've started working on a lot more, not us specifically, but as a company and other folks at Cursor, is making it really great for teams and making it the, the 10th person that starts using Cursor in a team. Is immediately set up with things like, we launched Marketplace recently so other people can [00:27:00] configure what CPS and skills like plugins.So skills and cps, other people can configure that. So that my cursor is ready to go and set up. Sam loves the Datadog, MCP and Slack, MCP you've also been using a lot butSamantha: also pre-launch, but I feel like it's so good.Jonas: Yeah, my cursor should be configured if Sam feels strongly that's just amazing and required.swyx: Is it automatically shared or you have to go and.Jonas: It depends on the MCP. So some are obviously off per user. Yeah. And so Sam can't off my cursor with my Slack MCP, but some are team off and those can be set up by admins.swyx: Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, I think, we had a man on the pod when cursor was five people, and like everyone was like, okay, what's the thing?And then it's usually something teams and org and enterprise, but it's actually working. But like usually at that stage when you're five, when you're just a vs. Code fork it's like how do you get there? Yeah. Will people pay for this? People do pay for it.Jonas: Yeah. And I think for cloud agents, we expect.[00:28:00]To have similar kind of PLG things where I think off the bat we've seen a lot of adoption with kind of smaller teams where the code bases are not quite as complex to set up. Yes. If you need some insane docker layer caching thing for builds not to take two hours, that's going to take a little bit longer for us to be able to support that kind of infrastructure.Whereas if you have front end backend, like one click agents can install everything that they need themselves.swyx: This is a good chance for me to just ask some technical sort of check the box questions. Can I choose the size of the vm?Jonas: Not yet. We are planning on adding that. Weswyx: have, this is obviously you want like LXXL, whatever, right?Like it's like the Amazon like sort menu.Jonas: Yes, exactly. We'll add that.swyx: Yeah. In some ways you have to basically become like a EC2, almost like you rent a box.Jonas: You rent a box. Yes. We talk a lot about brain in a box. Yeah. So cursor, we want to be a brain in a box,swyx: but is the mental model different? Is it more serverless?Is it more persistent? Is. Something else.Samantha: We want it to be a bit persistent. The desktop should be [00:29:00] something you can return to af even after some days. Like maybe you go back, they're like still thinking about a feature for some period of time. So theswyx: full like sus like suspend the memory and bring it back and then keep going.Samantha: Exactly.swyx: That's an interesting one because what I actually do want, like from a manna and open crawl, whatever, is like I want to be able to log in with my credentials to the thing, but not actually store it in any like secret store, whatever. ‘cause it's like this is the, my most sensitive stuff.Yeah. This is like my email, whatever. And just have it like, persist to the image. I don't know how it was hood, but like to rehydrate and then just keep going from there. But I don't think a lot of infra works that way. A lot of it's stateless where like you save it to a docker image and then it's only whatever you can describe in a Docker file and that's it.That's the only thing you can cl multiple times in parallel.Jonas: Yeah. We have a bunch of different ways of setting them up. So there's a dockerfile based approach. The main default way is actually snapshottingswyx: like a Linux vmJonas: like vm, right? You run a bunch of install commands and then you snapshot more or less the file system.And so that gets you set up for everything [00:30:00] that you would want to bring a new VM up from that template basically.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: And that's a bit distinct from what Sam was talking about with the hibernating and re rehydrating where that is a full memory snapshot as well. So there, if I had like the browser open to a specific page and we bring that back, that page will still be there.swyx: Was there any discussion internally and just building this stuff about every time you shoot a video it's actually you show a little bit of the desktop and the browser and it's not necessary if you just show the browser. If, if you know you're just demoing a front end application.Why not just show the browser, right? Like it Yeah,Samantha: we do have some panning and zooming. Yeah. Like it can decide that when it's actually recording and cutting the video to highlight different things. I think we've played around with different ways of segmenting it and yeah. There's been some different revs on it for sure.Jonas: Yeah. I think one of the interesting things is the version that you see now in cursor.com actually is like half of what we had at peak where we decided to unshift or unshipped quite a few things. So two of the interesting things to talk about, one is directly an answer to your [00:31:00] question where we had native browser that you would have locally, it was basically an iframe that via port forwarding could load the URL could talk to local host in the vm.So that gets you basically, so inswyx: your machine's browser,likeJonas: in your local browser? Yeah. You would go to local host 4,000 and that would get forwarded to local host 4,000 in the VM via port forward. We unshift that like atswyx: Eng Rock.Jonas: Like an Eng Rock. Exactly. We unshift that because we felt that the remote desktop was sufficiently low latency and more general purpose.So we build Cursor web, but we also build Cursor desktop. And so it's really useful to be able to have the full spectrum of things. And even for Cursor Web, as you saw in one of the examples, the agent was uploading files and like I couldn't upload files and open the file viewer if I only had access to the browser.And we've thought a lot about, this might seem funny coming from Cursor where we started as this, vs. Code Fork and I think inherited a lot of amazing things, but also a lot [00:32:00] of legacy UI from VS Code.Minimal Web UI SurfacesJonas: And so with the web UI we wanted to be very intentional about keeping that very minimal and exposing the right sum of set of primitive sort of app surfaces we call them, that are shared features of that cloud.Environment that you and the agent both use. So agent uses desktop and controls it. I can use desktop and controlled agent runs terminal commands. I can run terminal commands. So that's how our philosophy around it. The other thing that is maybe interesting to talk about that we unshipped is and we may, both of these things we may reship and decide at some point in the future that we've changed our minds on the trade offs or gotten it to a point where, putswyx: it out there.Let users tell you they want it. Exactly. Alright, fine.Why No File EditorJonas: So one of the other things is actually a files app. And so we used to have the ability at one point during the process of testing this internally to see next to, I had GID desktop and terminal on the right hand side of the tab there earlier to also have a files app where you could see and edit files.And we actually felt that in some [00:33:00] ways, by restricting and limiting what you could do there, people would naturally leave more to the agent and fall into this new pattern of delegating, which we thought was really valuable. And there's currently no way in Cursor web to edit these files.swyx: Yeah. Except you like open up the PR and go into GitHub and do the thing.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: Which is annoying.Jonas: Just tell the agent,swyx: I have criticized open AI for this. Because Open AI is Codex app doesn't have a file editor, like it has file viewer, but isn't a file editor.Jonas: Do you use the file viewer a lot?swyx: No. I understand, but like sometimes I want it, the one way to do it is like freaking going to no, they have a open in cursor button or open an antigravity or, opening whatever and people pointed that.So I was, I was part of the early testers group people pointed that and they were like, this is like a design smell. It's like you actually want a VS. Code fork that has all these things, but also a file editor. And they were like, no, just trust us.Jonas: Yeah. I think we as Cursor will want to, as a product, offer the [00:34:00] whole spectrum and so you want to be able to.Work at really high levels of abstraction and double click and see the lowest level. That's important. But I also think that like you won't be doing that in Slack. And so there are surfaces and ways of interacting where in some cases limiting the UX capabilities makes for a cleaner experience that's more simple and drives people into these new patterns where even locally we kicked off joking about this.People like don't really edit files, hand code anymore. And so we want to build for where that's going and not where it's beenswyx: a lot of cool stuff. And Okay. I have a couple more.Full Stack Hosting Debateswyx: So observations about the design elements about these things. One of the things that I'm always thinking about is cursor and other peers of cursor start from like the Devrel tools and work their way towards cloud agents.Other people, like the lovable and bolts of the world start with here's like the vibe code. Full cloud thing. They were already cloud edges before anyone else cloud edges and we will give you the full deploy platform. So we own the whole loop. We own all the infrastructure, we own, we, we have the logs, we have the the live site, [00:35:00] whatever.And you can do that cycle cursor doesn't own that cycle even today. You don't have the versal, you don't have the, you whatever deploy infrastructure that, that you're gonna have, which gives you powers because anyone can use it. And any enterprise who, whatever you infra, I don't care. But then also gives you limitations as to how much you can actually fully debug end to end.I guess I'm just putting out there that like is there a future where there's like full stack cursor where like cursor apps.com where like I host my cursor site this, which is basically a verse clone, right? I don't know.Jonas: I think that's a interesting question to be asking, and I think like the logic that you laid out for how you would get there is logic that I largely agree with.swyx: Yeah. Yeah.Jonas: I think right now we're really focused on what we see as the next big bottleneck and because things like the Datadog MCP exist, yeah. I don't think that the best way we can help our customers ship more software. Is by building a hosting solution right now,swyx: by the way, these are things I've actually discussed with some of the companies I just named.Jonas: Yeah, for sure. Right now, just this big bottleneck is getting the code out there and also [00:36:00] unlike a lovable in the bolt, we focus much more on existing software. And the zero to one greenfield is just a very different problem. Imagine going to a Shopify and convincing them to deploy on your deployment solution.That's very different and I think will take much longer to see how that works. May never happen relative to, oh, it's like a zero to one app.swyx: I'll say. It's tempting because look like 50% of your apps are versal, superb base tailwind react it's the stack. It's what everyone does.So I it's kinda interesting.Jonas: Yeah.Model Choice and Auto Routingswyx: The other thing is the model select dying. Right now in cloud agents, it's stuck down, bottom left. Sure it's Codex High today, but do I care if it's suddenly switched to Opus? Probably not.Samantha: We definitely wanna give people a choice across models because I feel like it, the meta change is very frequently.I was a big like Opus 4.5 Maximalist, and when codex 5.3 came out, I hard, hard switch. So that's all I use now.swyx: Yeah. Agreed. I don't know if, but basically like when I use it in Slack, [00:37:00] right? Cursor does a very good job of exposing yeah. Cursors. If people go use it, here's the model we're using.Yeah. Here's how you switch if you want. But otherwise it's like extracted away, which is like beautiful because then you actually, you should decide.Jonas: Yeah, I think we want to be doing more with defaults.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: Where we can suggest things to people. A thing that we have in the editor, the desktop app is auto, which will route your request and do things there.So I think we will want to do something like that for cloud agents as well. We haven't done it yet. And so I think. We have both people like Sam, who are very savvy and want know exactly what model they want, and we also have people that want us to pick the best model for them because we have amazing people like Sam and we, we are the experts.Yeah. We have both the traffic and the internal taste and experience to know what we think is best.swyx: Yeah. I have this ongoing pieces of agent lab versus model lab. And to me, cursor and other companies are example of an agent lab that is, building a new playbook that is different from a model lab where it's like very GP heavy Olo.So obviously has a research [00:38:00] team. And my thesis is like you just, every agent lab is going to have a router because you're going to be asked like, what's what. I don't keep up to every day. I'm not a Sam, I don't keep up every day for using you as sample the arm arbitrator of taste. Put me on CRI Auto.Is it free? It's not free.Jonas: Auto's not free, but there's different pricing tiers. Yeah.swyx: Put me on Chris. You decide from me based on all the other people you know better than me. And I think every agent lab should basically end up doing this because that actually gives you extra power because you like people stop carrying or having loyalty with one lab.Jonas: Yeah.Best Of N and Model CouncilsJonas: Two other maybe interesting things that I don't know how much they're on your radar are one the best event thing we mentioned where running different models head to head is actually quite interesting becauseswyx: which exists in cursor.Jonas: That exists in cur ID and web. So the problem is where do you run them?swyx: Okay.Jonas: And so I, I can share my screen if that's interesting. Yeahinteresting.swyx: Yeah. Yeah. Obviously parallel agents, very popal.Jonas: Yes, exactly. Parallel agentsswyx: in you mind. Are they the same thing? Best event and parallel agents? I don't want to [00:39:00] put words in your mouth.Jonas: Best event is a subset of parallel agents where they're running on the same prompt.That would be my answer. So this is what that looks like. And so here in this dropdown picker, I can just select multiple models.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: And now if I do a prompt, I'm going to do something silly. I am running these five models.swyx: Okay. This is this fake clone, of course. The 2.0 yeah.Jonas: Yes, exactly. But they're running so the cursor 2.0, you can do desktop or cloud.So this is cloud specifically where the benefit over work trees is that they have their own VMs and can run commands and won't try to kill ports that the other one is running. Which are some of the pains. These are allswyx: called work trees?Jonas: No, these are all cloud agents with their own VMs.swyx: Okay. ButJonas: When you do it locally, sometimes people do work trees and that's been the main way that people have set out parallel so far.I've gotta say.swyx: That's so confusing for folks.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: No one knows what work trees are.Jonas: Exactly. I think we're phasing out work trees.swyx: Really.Jonas: Yeah.swyx: Okay.Samantha: But yeah. And one other thing I would say though on the multimodel choice, [00:40:00] so this is another experiment that we ran last year and the decide to ship at that time but may come back to, and there was an interesting learning that's relevant for, these different model providers. It was something that would run a bunch of best of ends but then synthesize and basically run like a synthesizer layer of models. And that was other agents that would take LM Judge, but one that was also agentic and could write code. So it wasn't just picking but also taking the learnings from two models or, and models that it was looking at and writing a new diff.And what we found was that at the time at least, there were strengths to using models from different model providers as the base level of this process. Like basically you could get almost like a synergistic output that was better than having a very unified, like bottom model tier. So it was really interesting ‘cause it's like potentially, even though even in the future when you have like maybe one model as ahead of the other for a little bit, there could be some benefit from having like multiple top tier models involved in like a [00:41:00] model swarm or whatever agent Swarm that you're doing, that they each have strengths and weaknesses.Yeah.Jonas: Andre called this the council, right?Samantha: Yeah, exactly. We actually, oh, that's another internal command we have that Ian wrote slash council. Oh, and they some, yeah.swyx: Yes. This idea is in various forms everywhere. And I think for me, like for me, the productization of it, you guys have done yeah, like this is very flexible, but.If I were to add another Yeah, what your thing is on here it would be too much. I what, let's say,Samantha: Ideally it's all, it's something that the user can just choose and it all happens under the hood in a way where like you just get the benefit of that process at the end and better output basically, but don't have to get too lost in the complexity of judging along the way.Jonas: Okay.Subagents for ContextJonas: Another thing on the many agents, on different parallel agents that's interesting is an idea that's been around for a while as well that has started working recently is subagents. And so this is one other way to get agents of the different prompts and different goals and different models, [00:42:00] different vintages to work together.Collaborate and delegate.swyx: Yeah. I'm very like I like one of my, I always looking for this is the year of the blah, right? Yeah. I think one of the things on the blahs is subs. I think this is of but I haven't used them in cursor. Are they fully formed or how do I honestly like an intro because do I form them from new every time?Do I have fixed subagents? How are they different for slash commands? There's all these like really basic questions that no one stops to answer for people because everyone's just like too busy launching. We have toSamantha: honestly, you could, you can see them in cursor now if you just say spin up like 50 subagents to, so cursor definesswyx: what Subagents.Yeah.Samantha: Yeah. So basically I think I shouldn't speak for the whole subagents team. This is like a different team that's been working on this, but our thesis or thing that we saw internally is that like they're great for context management for kind of long running threads, or if you're trying to just throw more compute at something.We have strongly used, almost like a generic task interface where then the main agent can define [00:43:00] like what goes into the subagent. So if I say explore my code base, it might decide to spin up an explore subagent and or might decide to spin up five explore subagent.swyx: But I don't get to set what those subagent are, right?It's all defined by a model.Samantha: I think. I actually would have to refresh myself on the sub agent interface.Jonas: There are some built-in ones like the explore subagent is free pre-built. But you can also instruct the model to use other subagents and then it will. And one other example of a built-in subagent is I actually just kicked one off in cursor and I can show you what that looks like.swyx: Yes. Because I tried to do this in pure prompt space.Jonas: So this is the desktop app? Yeah. Yeah. And that'sswyx: all you need to do, right? Yeah.Jonas: That's all you need to do. So I said use a sub agent to explore and I think, yeah, so I can even click in and see what the subagent is working on here. It ran some fine command and this is a composer under the hood.Even though my main model is Opus, it does smart routing to take, like in this instance the explorer sort of requires reading a ton of things. And so a faster model is really useful to get an [00:44:00] answer quickly, but that this is what subagent look like. And I think we wanted to do a lot more to expose hooks and ways for people to configure these.Another example of a cus sort of builtin subagent is the computer use subagent in the cloud agents, where we found that those trajectories can be long and involve a lot of images obviously, and execution of some testing verification task. We wanted to use that models that are particularly good at that.So that's one reason to use subagents. And then the other reason to use subagents is we want contexts to be summarized reduced down at a subagent level. That's a really neat boundary at which to compress that rollout and testing into a final message that agent writes that then gets passed into the parent rather than having to do some global compaction or something like that.swyx: Awesome. Cool. While we're in the subagents conversation, I can't do a cursor conversation and not talk about listen stuff. What is that? What is what? He built a browser. He built an os. Yes. And he [00:45:00] experimented with a lot of different architectures and basically ended up reinventing the software engineer org chart.This is all cool, but what's your take? What's, is there any hole behind the side? The scenes stories about that kind of, that whole adventure.Samantha: Some of those experiments have found their way into a feature that's available in cloud agents now, the long running agent mode internally, we call it grind mode.And I think there's like some hint of grind mode accessible in the picker today. ‘cause you can do choose grind until done. And so that was really the result of experiments that Wilson started in this vein where he I think the Ralph Wigga loop was like floating around at the time, but it was something he also independently found and he was experimenting with.And that was what led to this product surface.swyx: And it is just simple idea of have criteria for completion and do not. Until you complete,Samantha: there's a bit more complexity as well in, in our implementation. Like there's a specific, you have to start out by aligning and there's like a planning stage where it will work with you and it will not get like start grind execution mode until it's decided that the [00:46:00] plan is amenable to both of you.Basically,swyx: I refuse to work until you make me happy.Jonas: We found that it's really important where people would give like very underspecified prompt and then expect it to come back with magic. And if it's gonna go off and work for three minutes, that's one thing. When it's gonna go off and work for three days, probably should spend like a few hours upfront making sure that you have communicated what you actually want.swyx: Yeah. And just to like really drive from the point. We really mean three days that No, noJonas: human. Oh yeah. We've had three day months innovation whatsoever.Samantha: I don't know what the record is, but there's been a long time with the grantsJonas: and so the thing that is available in cursor. The long running agent is if you wanna think about it, very abstractly that is like one worker node.Whereas what built the browser is a society of workers and planners and different agents collaborating. Because we started building the browser with one worker node at the time, that was just the agent. And it became one worker node when we realized that the throughput of the system was not where it needed to be [00:47:00] to get something as large of a scale as the browser done.swyx: Yeah.Jonas: And so this has also become a really big mental model for us with cloud, cloud agents is there's the classic engineering latency throughput trade-offs. And so you know, the code is water flowing through a pipe. The, we think that over the coming months, the big unlock is not going to be one person with a model getting more done, like the water flowing faster and we'll be making the pipe much wider and so ing more, whether that's swarms of agents or parallel agents, both of those are things that contribute to getting.Much more done in the same amount of time, but any one of those tasks doesn't necessarily need to get done that quickly. And throughput is this really big thing where if you see the system of a hundred concurrent agents outputting thousands of tokens a second, you can't go back like that.Just you see a glimpse of the future where obviously there are many caveats. Like no one is using this browser. IRL. There's like a bunch of things not quite right yet, but we are going to get to systems that produce real production [00:48:00] code at the scale much sooner than people think. And it forces you to think what even happens to production systems. Like we've broken our GitHub actions recently because we have so many agents like producing and pushing code that like CICD is just overloaded. ‘cause suddenly it's like effectively weg grew, cursor's growing very quickly anyway, but you grow head count, 10 x when people run 10 x as many agents.And so a lot of these systems, exactly, a lot of these systems will need to adapt.swyx: It also reminds me, we, we all, the three of us live in the app layer, but if you talk to the researchers who are doing RL infrastructure, it's the same thing. It's like all these parallel rollouts and scheduling them and making sure as much throughput as possible goes through them.Yeah, it's the same thing.Jonas: We were talking briefly before we started recording. You were mentioning memory chips and some of the shortages there. The other thing that I think is just like hard to wrap your head around the scale of the system that was building the browser, the concurrency there.If Sam and I both have a system like that running for us, [00:49:00] shipping our software. The amount of inference that we're going to need per developer is just really mind-boggling. And that makes, sometimes when I think about that, I think that even with, the most optimistic projections for what we're going to need in terms of buildout, our underestimating, the extent to which these swarm systems can like churn at scale to produce code that is valuable to the economy.And,swyx: yeah, you can cut this if it's sensitive, but I was just Do you have estimates of how much your token consumption is?Jonas: Like per developer?swyx: Yeah. Or yourself. I don't need like comfy average. I just curious. ISamantha: feel like I, for a while I wasn't an admin on the usage dashboard, so I like wasn't able to actually see, but it was a,swyx: mine has gone up.Samantha: Oh yeah.swyx: But I thinkSamantha: it's in terms of how much work I'm doing, it's more like I have no worries about developers losing their jobs, at least in the near term. ‘cause I feel like that's a more broad discussion.swyx: Yeah. Yeah. You went there. I didn't go, I wasn't going there.I was just like how much more are you using?Samantha: There's so much stuff to be built. And so I feel like I'm basically just [00:50:00] trying to constantly I have more ambitions than I did before. Yes. Personally. Yes. So can't speak to the broader thing. But for me it's like I'm busier than ever before.I'm using more tokens and I am also doing more things.Jonas: Yeah. Yeah. I don't have the stats for myself, but I think broadly a thing that we've seen, that we expect to continue is J'S paradox. Whereswyx: you can't do it in our podcast without seeingJonas: it. Exactly. We've done it. Now we can wrap. We've done, we said the words.Phase one tab auto complete people paid like 20 bucks a month. And that was great. Phase two where you were iterating with these local models. Today people pay like hundreds of dollars a month. I think as we think about these highly parallel kind of agents running off for a long times in their own VM system, we are already at that point where people will be spending thousands of dollars a month per human, and I think potentially tens of thousands and beyond, where it's not like we are greedy for like capturing more money, but what happens is just individuals get that much more leverage.And if one person can do as much as 10 people, yeah. That tool that allows ‘em to do that is going to be tremendously valuable [00:51:00] and worth investing in and taking the best thing that exists.swyx: One more question on just the cursor in general and then open-ended for you guys to plug whatever you wanna put.How is Cursor hiring these days?Samantha: What do you mean by how?swyx: So obviously lead code is dead. Oh,Samantha: okay.swyx: Everyone says work trial. Different people have different levels of adoption of agents. Some people can really adopt can be much more productive. But other people, you just need to give them a little bit of time.And sometimes they've never lived in a token rich place like cursor.And once you live in a token rich place, you're you just work differently. But you need to have done that. And a lot of people anyway, it was just open-ended. Like how has agentic engineering, agentic coding changed your opinions on hiring?Is there any like broad like insights? Yeah.Jonas: Basically I'm asking this for other people, right? Yeah, totally. Totally. To hear Sam's opinion, we haven't talked about this the two of us. I think that we don't see necessarily being great at the latest thing with AI coding as a prerequisite.I do think that's a sign that people are keeping up and [00:52:00] curious and willing to upscale themselves in what's happening because. As we were talking about the last three months, the game has completely changed. It's like what I do all day is very different.swyx: Like it's my job and I can't,Jonas: Yeah, totally.I do think that still as Sam was saying, the fundamentals remain important in the current age and being able to go and double click down. And models today do still have weaknesses where if you let them run for too long without cleaning up and refactoring, the coke will get sloppy and there'll be bad abstractions.And so you still do need humans that like have built systems before, no good patterns when they see them and know where to steer things.Samantha: I would agree with that. I would say again, cursor also operates very quickly and leveraging ag agentic engineering is probably one reason why that's possible in this current moment.I think in the past it was just like people coding quickly and now there's like people who use agents to move faster as well. So it's part of our process will always look for we'll select for kind of that ability to make good decisions quickly and move well in this environment.And so I think being able to [00:53:00] figure out how to use agents to help you do that is an important part of it too.swyx: Yeah. Okay. The fork in the road, either predictions for the end of the year, if you have any, or PUDs.Jonas: Evictions are not going to go well.Samantha: I know it's hard.swyx: They're so hard. Get it wrong.It's okay. Just, yeah.Jonas: One other plug that may be interesting that I feel like we touched on but haven't talked a ton about is a thing that the kind of these new interfaces and this parallelism enables is the ability to hop back and forth between threads really quickly. And so a thing that we have,swyx: you wanna show something or,Jonas: yeah, I can show something.A thing that we have felt with local agents is this pain around contact switching. And you have one agent that went off and did some work and another agent that, that did something else. And so here by having, I just have three tabs open, let's say, but I can very quickly, hop in here.This is an example I showed earlier, but the actual workflow here I think is really different in a way that may not be obvious, where, I start t

Werkers by Nored, die noordelike kragverspreider, staak sedert Donderdag na die Oshakati-hoërhof die dringende aansoek wat deur die maatskappy gebring is om die staking te keer, van die hand gewys het. Noodsaaklike dienste is gestaak en skole in die noordelike streek is gesluit weens kragonderbrekings. Kosmos 94.1 Nuus het met George Ampweya, die sekretaris-generaal van die Mynwerkersunie van Namibië gepraat vir 'n opdatering. Onderhandelinge duur steeds voort.

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You may already be planning the fundraising event that will define your year.If you want guests to give generously, stay engaged and return next year, the experience cannot be left to chance. Every touchpoint matters.In this episode, we sat down with Keely Scarlata Majka, founder of Sonder & Santé, to explore what it takes to design a fundraising event as a complete, cohesive journey. From guest arrival and program pacing to the emotional moment before the ask, Keely shares practical insight on how seamless execution builds trust, protects energy in the room and influences generosity.We also discuss how thoughtful follow up strengthens donor retention long after the evening ends.If you are responsible for delivering a high performing fundraising event, this conversation will help you approach it with greater clarity and intention.

Met verskeie Olimpiese Spele en ander internasionale sportbyeenkomste agter die blad, het Roger baie belangrike oomblikke in Suid-Afrikaanse sportgeskiedenis vasgevang. Hy is tans Span SA se amptelike sportfotograaf. Roger het ikoniese foto's geneem van Suid-Afrikaanse sportsterre soos Chad le Clos en Wayde van Niekerk by die Olimpiese Spele en ander groot sportbyeenkomste. In 2025 het hy die Sport Visual Journalist of the Year-toekenning by die Suid-Afrikaanse Sporttoekennings gewen, en hy het in 2022 ook die Fotograaf van die Jaar-toekenning ontvang. Hierdie dokumentêr bied 'n intieme kykie na Sedres se loopbaan, sy benadering tot sportfotografie, en die rol wat sy unieke foto's speel in hoe sport gesien en onthou word.

Host: Paul McIntyre, Editor-At-Large Despite a multi-year boom, there’s an abundance of retail executive teams around the world disappointed with their retail media network initiatives - largely because of a misleading valuation method influencing what retailers think they can extract in advertising terms from their physical and digital store media assets. That’s one key finding in the first global report from Sonder on the owned media sector – that is, companies and brands with large customer bases which commercialise their publishing, retail and digital assets with suppliers, and increasingly advertisers beyond. Sonder estimates owned media has a commercial potential of $573 billion – the global advertising business (paid media) is forecast to hit 1 trillion by 2028 or sooner. But the bullish performance of retailers operating as media networks, partly fuelled by Amazon’s digital advertising romp, is masking some big challenges and a few open field revenue opportunities for some in commerce media, a derivative of retail media for telcos, airlines, financial services and others, says the Sonder 2026 Global Report on Owned Media. Andrew Lipsman is a former e-marketer analyst and currently a founding advisor and strategist at Colosseum, a specialist commerce and media advisory founded by the former president of Best Buy Ads, Media & CRM, Keith Ryan, in the US. Lipsman joins Sonder co-founders and report authors Jonathan Hopkins and Angus Frazer to unpack some wayward market developments slowly correcting and some new players shaking up the owned media model: ”There does seem to be a significant misconception here that e-commerce is way bigger than it actually is,” says Lipsman on one of the report’s findings that retail media networks and advertisers are locked on retailer digital assets - dwarfed in spending and customer volume by physical retail. Marketers are not following the money, say Lipsman and Sonder. Listen here for the full lowdown. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of #29DaysOfMagic Laura interviews Amanda-Jane Thomas, CEO of Sip and Sonder, a coffee brand that emphasizes the connection between coffee and culture. Amanda shares her journey from working as a strategic insights analyst at Viacom to becoming an attorney, and ultimately, an entrepreneur. The conversation delves into the importance of community, mentorship, and self-love, as well as the challenges of balancing personal identity with business success. Amanda reflects on her moments of reset and the significance of having a supportive tribe around her. The episode concludes with a call to action to support Sip and Sonder and a reminder of the importance of self-care in the entrepreneurial journey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Build One South Africa waarsku Suid-Afrika word 'n gemeenskap sonder gevolge, met misdaadnetwerke wat in sleutelstaatsinstellings gevestig is. Die party sê toenemende misdaad, insluitend byna 80 moorde en meer as 130 verkragtings per dag, bedreig beide veiligheid en ekonomiese groei. Die leier van BOSA, Mmusi Maimane doen 'n beroep op president Cyril Ramaphosa om Donderdag se staatsrede te gebruik om dit duidelik te maak dat niemand, ongeag hul politieke posisie, bo die wet verhewe is nie:

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Het diepe besef dat elke voorbijganger een leven leidt dat net zo levendig en complex is als dat van jou. werken op een klantenservicehoe lager het loon, hoe meer ze je controlerenop tijd komen was niet echt een talent van memaar ik manipuleerde het systeemtrage pc'smijn truc om iets langer pauze te houdenals de hoorn niet goed terug op de haak werd gelegdOORGETUIGEZoë Kravitz (1988)Steven Soderbergh (1963)Kimi (2022)pensioengaten detecterenwat een klotebaaneen topper op de afdeling palmde iedereen in met zijn zware stempas op voor eenzame mensen aan de lijnwees eens assertieversonderhttps://www.thedictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/concept/sonderhet diepe besef dat elke voorbijganger een leven leidt dat net zo levendig en complex is als dat van jouChuck Palahniuk (1962)je ontdekt iets wat zo privé is, waardoor je blik op die persoon verandertwe staren allemaal thuis naar een schermdie ene collega die er opeens niet meer waszijn hele leven was niet waardoor de telefoon van iemand anders gaan en dingen zien die je niet wistals je vrienden iets voor je verzwijgentoen ik werd ontslagenverwarde mensen op straatHandjes boven de dekens. Slaap lekker. Word lid van de tomson darko club voor 2,50 euro per maand of 25 euro per jaar. Krijg toegang tot het archief, elke donderdag de exclusieve weekupdate, persoonlijke mail in je inbox en andere obscure extra's. Ga naar www.petjeaf.com/tomsondarko.Support the show1) Ontvang elke woensdagavond een mail van me over gevoelens waar niemand over praat. 2) Mijn shop vol boeken boeken, posters en tasjes3) Steun me via petjeaf.com/tomsondarko en luister exclusieve afleveringen.

Der Rapper Gian Marco Schmid alias Gimma trifft bei Olivia Röllin in Chur auf die Architektin und Journalistin Anita Simeon Lutz. Gian Marco Schmid (45) besser bekannt als «Gimma», ist Rapper und Autor aus Haldenstein bei Chur. Er verteilt schon in der Sekundarschule auf dem Pausenhof seine ersten RapTapes, später prägt er mit düsteren und provokativen Mundarttexten über Drogen, Sex, Depressionen und Familienchaos die Schweizer HipHopSzene und steuert mit «Hymna» sogar den Nati-Song zur WM 2006 bei. Seine Biografie: Hirntumor mit zwölf, Hörverlust auf einem Ohr, früher Drogenkonsum, eine alkoholkranke Mutter und ein Jahr im Kloster, bevor er eine KVLehre bei Calanda Bräu abschliesst. Offen spricht er über seine Psychotherapien und sagt trotz allem, er habe eine gute Kindheit gehabt. Letztes Jahr schrieb er ein Buch über das Leben mit einer süchtigen Mutter, das er innert acht Tagen nach deren Tod verfasste. Aktuell arbeitet er an einem neuen Album, in dem er seinen bisherigen Werde- und Wendegang verarbeitet. ________________________________________ Anita Simeon Lutz (54) ist Architektin und Journalistin. In Lenz aufgewachsen, als jüngste von fünf Kindern, ging sie jeden Sonntag in die Kirche und genoss es, dort vor versammelter Gemeinde aus den biblischen Texten vorzulesen, denn das Amt der Ministrantin wurde ihr als Mädchen verwehrt. Bald keimt der Berufswunsch Nonne in ihr auf. Schliesslich wird ihr das 400-Seelendorf aber zu eng, sie wechselt an die Kantonsschule Chur, schlägt ab und an über die Stränge und entscheidet sich für ein Architekturstudium in Zürich. Schon früh entwickelt sie eine Leidenschaft dafür, Architektur verständlich zu erzählen. 2012 wird sie Chefredakteurin des Wohnmagazins «Das ideale Heim» und gründet eine Familie. Als ihr Mann an Krebs erkrankt und schliesslich stirbt, stürzt sie sich in die Arbeit - eine Zeit, die sie bis heute verdaut. 2022 gründete sie die Zurich Design Weeks. Heute ist sie Chefredaktorin der Verbandszeitschrift «Schweizer Samariter». Zudem ist sie als Expertin in der RTRArchitekturserie «Portas Avertas» zu sehen. ________________________________________ Moderation: Olivia Röllin ________________________________________ Das ist «Persönlich»: Jede Woche reden Menschen über ihr Leben, sprechen über ihre Wünsche, Interessen, Ansichten und Meinungen. «Persönlich» ist kein heisser Stuhl und auch keine Informationssendung, sondern ein Gespräch zur Person und über ihr Leben. Die Gäste werden eingeladen, da sie aufgrund ihrer Lebenserfahrungen etwas zu sagen haben, das über den Tag hinaus Gültigkeit hat.

In the Eighth episode of season two of “The Sound Spectrum,” hosts senior Victoria Byers and sophomore Ethan Chatelain discuss what's on their 'Bingo Card' for music artists, movies, and more for 2026.The hosts discuss their thoughts on what to expect for 2026's music in terms of artist albums, tours, AI, and more. This podcast series focuses on reviewing a variety different music projects and music in general. In this episode, Byers and Chatelain discuss different artists along with rankings will be impacted this years, along with how they felt about it and how it'll impact the music industry and its listeners. Some of the artists and songs mentioned are 'Chromakopia' by Tyler, The Creator, American Singer songwriter, Billie Eilish, AI Artists, Billboard top 100, and more. Next episode, the two plan on reviewing the winners of the Grammy Awards next year or reviewing another album.Note: This podcast is a considered a music review podcast. While we do not use the actual music from artists, all credits go to the original artists.CREDITS:Crescent Moon by Purrple Cat | https://purrplecat.com/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/Hibiscus by Purrple Cat | https://purrplecat.com/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/Sonder by Purrple Cat | https://purrplecat.com/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/Sunset Drive by Tokyo Music Walker | https://soundcloud.com/user-356546060Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Slowly by Tokyo Music Walker | https://soundcloud.com/user-356546060Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Magical Moments by Purrple Cat | https://purrplecat.com/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/Echoes in Blue by Tokyo Music Walker | https://soundcloud.com/user-356546060Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

How do you evaluate investments and risks? Kate Garret, managing partner at Sonder, and Deborah Kilpatrick, partner at Sonder, share their insights and experiences as entrepreneurs, CEOs, and investors in this episode of Medtech Talk, hosted by Swaril Mathur. They deep dive into the practical realities of entrepreneurship, including the importance of networking, knowing when to keep pushing or pull out of an investment, making hard decisions, and how to conduct a successful shutdown. Garret and Kilpatrick also discuss their mentorship programs and offer advice for aspiring innovators on how to break into the industry. Medtech Talk Links:  Cambridge Healthtech Institute   Medtech Talk  Gilde Healthcare  MicroTransponderLinks: MicroTransponder 

Piet le Roux, uitvoerende hoof van Sakeliga, bespreek die agtergrond en jongste verwikkelinge in die Ekurhuleni-saak oor onteiening sonder vergoeding en soortgelyke gevalle. Volg RSG Geldsake op Twitter

Nadia Budihardjo and Mark Pownall discuss employee wellness company Sonder. Plus BHP and Rio look to work together; Woodside inks extra LNG export deal; and Multiplex appointed for St John of God Subiaco upgrade.

Rob Blood, founder and chairman of Lark, joins the show to reflect on the collapse of Sonder and what it revealed for owners, operators, brands, and technology companies. Drawing from firsthand experience working with properties affected, Rob explains where the master lease model broke down and why control and transparency matter when hotels operate at scale. The conversation explores the right role of technology in hospitality, the limits of venture-driven growth, and how strong partnerships help hotels recover fast when things go wrong. For leaders across disciplines, this episode offers clear, practical lessons on building resilient hospitality businesses. A few more resources: If you're new to Hospitality Daily, start here. You can send me a message here with questions, comments, or guest suggestions If you want to get my summary and actionable insights from each episode delivered to your inbox each day, subscribe here for free. Follow Hospitality Daily and join the conversation on YouTube, LinkedIn, and Instagram. If you want to advertise on Hospitality Daily, here are the ways we can work together. If you found this episode interesting or helpful, send it to someone on your team so you can turn the ideas into action and benefit your business and the people you serve! Music for this show is produced by Clay Bassford of Bespoke Sound: Music Identity Design for Hospitality Brands

Kasa has acquired Mint House at a moment when much of the urban apart-hotel sector has collapsed. In this GMH special, Wil Slickers sits down with Kasa Founder and CEO Roman Pedan to break down how the deal came together, why Mint House chose Kasa, and what this acquisition signals about the future of urban short-term rentals and apart-hotels. With Sonder now gone and capital having pulled back from the category, Roman explains how Kasa survived the shakeout, what it did differently, and whether consolidation is just getting started. They also discuss how Kasa plans to use the Mint House brand, what this means for property owners, and whether more acquisitions could be coming in 2026. This conversation offers a clear look at one of the last scaled players standing in urban lodging and what comes next for the sector. Read more about this news here! Connect with Skift: LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/skift/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ WhatsApp: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaAL375LikgIXmNPYQ0L/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://facebook.com/skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/skiftnews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bsky.app/profile/skiftnews.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/skift⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to ⁠@SkiftNews⁠ and never miss an update from the travel industry.

Hello, Puzzlers! Puzzling with us today: creator of The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, John Koenig!Join host A.J. Jacobs and his guests as they puzzle–and laugh–their way through new spins on old favorites, like anagrams and palindromes, as well as quirky originals.Subscribe to Hello, Puzzlers! wherever you get your podcasts! And come join our growing puzzle community over on Patreon, where you can find bonus episodes and other exclusive content!Our executive producers are Neely Lohmann and Adam Neuhaus of Neuhaus Ideas.The show is produced by Claire Bidigare-Curtis.Our Chief Puzzle Officer is Greg Pliska. Our associate producer is Andrea Schoenberg.Our community manager is Gary Buchler.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

durée : 00:28:20 - Les Midis de Culture - par : Marie Sorbier - Avec "PALLAKSCH PALLAKSCH! pièces élémentaires", Marie-José Malis met en scène une collection de trois courtes pièces librement inspirées de différents auteurs. Pendant presque quatre mois, la metteuse en scène présentera son travail au Petit Odéon, devenu son laboratoire d'expérimentation. - réalisation : Camille Mati - invités : Marie-José Malis Metteur en scène

Verskeie beleidsveranderinge is afgekondig sedert die nuwe regering se ampstermyn vanjaar begin het, die vernaamste daarvan waarskynlik die instelling van gratis tersiêre onderwys. Politieke ontleder Ndumba Kamwanyah sê daar is nog tyd om die nuwe administrasie ‘n kans te gee, maar sover is hy nie tevrede met die besluite wat gemaak is sonder behoorlike wetgewing in plek nie.

Die Australiese snelbouler, Josh Hazlewood, is weens ʼn besering nie beskikbaar vir die res van die reeks om die As nie. Hy het verlede maand sy dyspier seergemaak in Australië se Sheffield Shield-kompetisie. Hazlewood het verlede week nog ʼn terugslag gehad toe hy sy haksening beseer het. Australië loop tans met 2-0 voor teen Engeland in die reeks om die As. Hazlewood sê hy is gefrustreerd omdat hy nie kan speel nie:

*Sign up for any of our Patreon tiers, including the free tier, to get the full, mostly unedited 2 hour and 19 minute episode! As is tradition, on the Tuesday after the Sonder Brewing Family Tradition release, we recorded up at Sonder.  Join us and the Gnome as delve into each of the 2025 Sonder Family Tradition releases, as well as talk about some Cincy beer-based content.  We discussed things such as:  Who tastes what adjuncts in the Family Tradition variants, and which one was our favorite? Deep sports talk during this week's picks for the TBP NFL Deathmatch Challenge. Does Joe actually parent? And how can CAROLIIINE get involved with Beervent? The Cincy Brew Dads get the full Higher Gravity experience and see how Sam Adams WHOOOOOSH their hops. Rating Julia and Marco - who's most like a bottle of Yellowtail wine? Blake puts the Ohio Craft Brewer's Association on the hot seat with the most difficult question ever. Be in Dayton, OH for the Ohio Beer Awards in 2026! The chaos of Gnome's Christkindlemkt show. Gnome does Beervent things and shares some incredible looking labels. Some former presidents show up to comment on our show! **The music used in the NFL Deathmatch Challenge is by DonRock the Imposter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqKSIaE_QE8 @donrocktheimposter912 Week 14's Picks :  Gnome's Pick : Browns Marco's Pick : Seahawks Julia's Pick : Buccaneers Current points going into Week 14 :  Gnome : 11 Marco : 11 Julia : 10 ----- This episode covers the following shows : The Weekly Pint - Ep 290 - The Midnight Train Rolls On! The Gnarly Gnome - Midnight Beervent Pull Cincy Brew Dads - A Special Brewery Series: Samuel Adams - From The Tap Ep 13 Pt 1 Cincy Brew Dads - Higher Gravity: We Do This For You! From The Tap Ep 12 Blake's Craft Beer Podcast - Ep 95 - Craft Beer Summit Part 1 Ohio Craft brewers Association Craft Parenting Podcast - Ep 244 - Higher Gravity's 2025 Beervent Calendar Day 1 ----- What we drank : Sonder - Beer Garden - West Coast IPA Sonder - Kato - Coffee Blonde Ale Sonder - Family Tradition - Base - Barrel Aged Stout Sonder - Family Tradition - English Barleywine Sonder - Family Tradition - Script Columbian Coffee and Vanilla - Barrel Aged Stout Sonder - Family Tradition - Peanut Butter, Tahitian Banana and Marshmallow - Barrel Aged Stout Sonder - Family Tradition - Orange, Toffee, and Cashew Fudge - Barrel Aged Stout Sonder - Family Tradition - Dubai Chocolate - Barrel Aged Stout ----- Episode recorded on 12/2/2025 at our amazing podcast host, Sonder Brewing (Mason)! https://sonderbrewing.com/ Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by Truth, Beer, and Podsequences are those of the participants alone and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any entities they may represent. ------  Links to everything at http://truthbeerpod.com/ or https://truthbeerpod.podbean.com/ Find us on all the social medias @ TruthBeerPod Email us at TruthBeerPod@gmail.com Subscribe, like, review, and share! Find all of our episodes on your favorite Podcast platform or https://www.youtube.com/@TruthBeerPod ! Buy us a pint!  If you'd like to support the show, you can do by clicking the "One-Time Donation" link at http://truthbeerpod.com ! If you want exclusive content, check out our Patreon!  https://www.patreon.com/TruthBeerPod If you'd like to be a show sponsor or even just a segment sponsor, let us know via email or hit us up on social media! ----- We want you to continue to be around to listen to all of our episodes.  If you're struggling, please reach out to a friend, family member, co-worker, or mental health professional.  If you don't feel comfortable talking to someone you know, please use one of the below resources to talk to someone who wants you around just as much as we do.   Call or Text 988 to reach the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline Chat with someone at 988lifeline.org http://www.988lifeline.org ----- Our Intro, Outro, and most of the "within the episode" music was provided by Gnome Creative. Check out www.GnomeCreative.com for all your audio, video, and imagery needs! @gnome__creative on Instagram @TheGnarlyGnome on Twitter https://thegnarlygnome.com/support http://gnomecreative.com http://instagram.com/gnome__creative http://www.twitter.com/TheGnarlyGnome

In this episode of The Modern Hotelier, Steve Carran and David Millili is joined by Luis Segredo, CEO of Hapi, to discuss the biggest hospitality news and trends from November. They dive into the recent dissolution of the Marriott–Sonder partnership, exploring why integrations and siloed technology can make or break hotel collaborations.Steve and Luis also examine the rise of direct bookings, the impact of loyalty programs, and how travelers are navigating Black Friday and Travel Tuesday deals. They share insights on how hotel brands are adapting to changing customer expectations, leveraging technology to create seamless experiences, and preparing for the future of hospitality.Topics covered in this episode:Marriott & Sonder partnership dissolves: lessons learned from failed integrations and siloed tech.Why hotel brands are leading in U.S. travel searches.Thanksgiving travel trends: record-breaking numbers, road vs. air travel, and insights from personal experiences.How hotels can innovate faster with harmonized data across multiple property management systems.Watch the FULL EPISODE on YouTube: https://youtu.be/IeKEY3anr54Links:Luis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luissegredo/Hapi: https://www.stayhapi.com/ Mariott Terminates Sonder AgreementBrands lead US Travel searchesThanksgiving TravelBlack Friday or Travel Tuesday dealsTell us more about the findings of The Future of Hotel Data ReportWhat is new at Hapi?For full show notes head to: https://themodernhotelier.com/episode/237Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-...Join the conversation on today's episode on The Modern Hotelier LinkedIn pageConnect with Steve and David:Steve: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E...David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-mil.

Aan die einde van 2024 was die wêreld nader as ooit om Vigs as 'n openbare gesondheidsbedreiging teen 2030 te beëindig. Op daardie stadium was 31,6 miljoen van die 40,8 miljoen mense wat met MIV leef, op lewensreddende behandeling. MIV-voorkomings- en behandelingsdienste, en die fokus op die maatskaplike hindernisse wat mense 'n verhoogde risiko vir MIV plaas, het gelei tot 'n afname van 40 persent in die aantal nuwe infeksies en 'n afname van 54 persent in die aantal Vigs-verwante sterftes tussen 2010 en 2024. Na die afkondiging deur president Donald Trump dat USAid befondsing gestop sal word het verskeie programme gely daaronder. Dr. Jacques Kamangu van die gesondheidministerie sê die vasteland moet minder staatmaak op buitelandse hulp.

The arbitrage era is cracking — fast. With Sonder filing bankruptcy and operators across the country getting crushed by fixed leases, the truth is clear: the STR model you choose determines whether you scale… or sink.In this episode, we break down why arbitrage is failing, what Sonder's collapse teaches every host, and why co-hosting remains the most profitable, low-risk, scalable model in 2025 and beyond.Inside this episode: • Why arbitrage collapses under pressure • The hidden costs operators never calculate • Why co-hosting produces higher margins with lower risk • How boutique operators beat centralized “big brand” models • What the fastest-growing hosts are doing differently • The shift every STR operator must make in 2025Message me to get a free resource and see how the program could fit your goals.Click the link below:https://go.strsecrets.com/podcast?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Captivate&utm_campaign=T034&utm_content=RESOURCE00:01:00 – The Real Cost of Arbitrage: Leases, Debt & Cash Burn00:02:30 – Why Arbitrage Margins Collapse in Today's Market00:03:45 – Co-Hosting vs. Arbitrage: The Risk Difference00:05:10 – Arbitrage at Scale Becomes a Cash-Flow Death Trap00:06:15 – Real Examples of Small Operators Losing Money00:07:10 – The Tiny Margin of Error That Kills Arbitrage Deals00:08:30 – Why Co-Hosting Wins: Low CAC, High Lifetime Value00:10:20 – How Operators Are Scaling Co-Hosting With $0 Spend00:12:20 – Centralized vs. Local: Why Guest Experience Matters00:15:00 – Why Arbitrage Can't Keep Up With Industry Changes00:17:00 – The Bankruptcy Wave: Small Operators Getting Hit00:18:30 – How to Pivot Out of Arbitrage Before It's Too Late00:20:10 – What a Healthy Co-Hosting/PM Business Looks Like00:22:00 – No Get-Rich-Quick: The Reality of STR SuccessGet FREE Access to our Community and Weekly Trainings:https://group.strsecrets.com/

The arbitrage era is cracking — fast. With Sonder filing bankruptcy and operators across the country getting crushed by fixed leases, the truth is clear: the STR model you choose determines whether you scale… or sink.In this episode, we break down why arbitrage is failing, what Sonder's collapse teaches every host, and why co-hosting remains the most profitable, low-risk, scalable model in 2025 and beyond.Inside this episode: • Why arbitrage collapses under pressure • The hidden costs operators never calculate • Why co-hosting produces higher margins with lower risk • How boutique operators beat centralized “big brand” models • What the fastest-growing hosts are doing differently • The shift every STR operator must make in 2025Message me to get a free resource and see how the program could fit your goals.Click the link below:https://go.strsecrets.com/podcast?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Captivate&utm_campaign=T034&utm_content=RESOURCE00:01:00 – The Real Cost of Arbitrage: Leases, Debt & Cash Burn00:02:30 – Why Arbitrage Margins Collapse in Today's Market00:03:45 – Co-Hosting vs. Arbitrage: The Risk Difference00:05:10 – Arbitrage at Scale Becomes a Cash-Flow Death Trap00:06:15 – Real Examples of Small Operators Losing Money00:07:10 – The Tiny Margin of Error That Kills Arbitrage Deals00:08:30 – Why Co-Hosting Wins: Low CAC, High Lifetime Value00:10:20 – How Operators Are Scaling Co-Hosting With $0 Spend00:12:20 – Centralized vs. Local: Why Guest Experience Matters00:15:00 – Why Arbitrage Can't Keep Up With Industry Changes00:17:00 – The Bankruptcy Wave: Small Operators Getting Hit00:18:30 – How to Pivot Out of Arbitrage Before It's Too Late00:20:10 – What a Healthy Co-Hosting/PM Business Looks Like00:22:00 – No Get-Rich-Quick: The Reality of STR SuccessGet FREE Access to our Community and Weekly Trainings:https://group.strsecrets.com/

Jason discussed upcoming virtual events and market trends, particularly focusing on changes in credit markets and the current real estate market conditions where sellers are becoming less motivated. He highlighted significant shifts in the money supply and economic conditions, predicting a surge in real estate and asset markets that investors should capitalize on during the holiday season. Jason announced an upcoming masterclass on business credit and discussed financial programs offering revolving credit with no collateral, emphasizing the benefits of using business credit for property purchases and wealth creation. Key Takeaways: 1:46 Nvidia and the Buffet Indicator 4:47 Join our FREE Masterclass for something NEW JasonHartman.com/Wednesday 5:58 Delistings jumps to 28% 16:15 Money supply 18:24 Money supply in terms of percentage change 22:06 The Cantillion effect 24:21 Marriott's Disasterou bet on Sonder 26:04 Join our FREE Masterclass and avail amazing deals   #RealEstateInvesting #MoneySupply #M2MoneySupply #AllTimeHigh #DeLinstings #UnmotivatedSellers #SellerStubbornness #LockinEffect #HousingInventory #TighterInventory #KeepPricesElevated #DogsThatDontBark #CantillionEffect #SkateToWhereThePuckIsGoing #DirectInvestor #FocusCreatesWealth #Syndication #FundInvestment #InsiderExitStrategy #PublicOffering #CreditMarkets #BusinessCredit #ZeroPercentInterest #OPM #DelayedPurchaseLoan #NewHomeBuilders #CashDiscounts #JasonHartman #MasterClass #HappyThanksgiving   Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class:  Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate deals for investment or build a great business – Free Course: https://www.jasonhartman.com/deals Special Offer from Ron LeGrand: https://JasonHartman.com/Ron Free Mini-Book on Pandemic Investing: https://www.PandemicInvesting.com

Send us a textLinking the Travel Industry is a business travel podcast where we review the top travel industry stories that are posted on LinkedIn by LinkedIn members.  We curate the top posts and discuss with them with travel industry veterans in a live session with audience members.  You can join the live recording session by visiting BusinessTravel360.comYour Hosts are Riaan van Schoor, Ann Cederhall and Aash ShravahStories covered on this podcast episode include:Rumours abound that LOT Polish Airlines is nearing their completion of the acquisition of Smartwings, the largest airline in the Czech Republic.Marriott Hotels' "bespoke stay" partnership with Sonder Inc. comes to an abrupt halt, and 48 hours later, Sonder files for bankruptcy. I saw many chaotic stories of travellers having to cut their stay short and being left without accommodation.Ethiopian Airlines becomes the latest airline to sign up for Sabre Corporation's Mosaic platform.BCD Travel and Conferma partner to launch a virtual card acceptance rating, with which travellers and travel managers can see how well a hotel is able to process virtual cards.Virgin Atlantic shakes up their loyalty program with an initiative called "High Five". Rob Burgess explains what it is about here, and why he thinks they've been a bit too generous.A financing deal done by Virgin Atlantic reveals their Heathrow slots are worth $745M.Revolut has partnered with SAS - Scandinavian Airlines to let EuroBonus members convert their RevPoints into EuroBonus points.The most engaged post of the week by miles goes to Avi Meir from Perk on his views about having a work/life balance.Extra StoriesYou can subscribe to this podcast by searching 'BusinessTravel360' on your favorite podcast player or visiting BusinessTravel360.comThis podcast was created, edited and distributed by BusinessTravel360.  Be sure to sign up for regular updates at BusinessTravel360.com - Enjoy!Support the show

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On this month's episode, host Nicole Flattery is joined by Odrán Waldron to read from and discuss his story ‘Temporary', published in the Summer 2025 issue of The Stinging Fly ⁠⁠Issue 52 Volume Two.⁠Odrán Waldron is a writer and hurler from Freshford, County Kilkenny, living in Belfast. His work has appeared in Sonder and The Stinging Fly and is forthcoming in The Pig's Back; he hurls for Lámh Dhearg CLG.⁠⁠Nicole Flattery⁠⁠ is a writer and critic. Her story collection ⁠⁠Show Them A Good Time⁠⁠, was published by The Stinging Fly and Bloomsbury in 2019. Her first novel, Nothing Special, was published by Bloomsbury in 2023.The Stinging Fly Podcast invites writers from the latest issue of The Stinging Fly to read and discuss their work. Previous episodes of the podcast ⁠⁠can be found here⁠⁠. The podcast's theme music is ⁠⁠‘Sale of Lakes', by Divan⁠⁠. All of the ⁠⁠Stinging Fly archive⁠⁠ is available to ⁠⁠subscribers.⁠

Your STR business is worth more than you think—if you build it the right way.In this episode, we break down the difference between operators who burn out… and operators who build real companies that survive, scale, and eventually sell for life-changing money.We also cover the hard lessons from companies that grew too fast, collapsed, or went bankrupt—and how to avoid their mistakes.In this episode you'll learn:• Why your STR business already has real enterprise value• What happens if everything lives in your head (and how to fix it)• The operational mistakes that bankrupted a fast-growing STR company• How to build systems that survive without you• What buyers REALLY look for in an STR business• The path to a 7–8 figure STR exitIf you want help building an STR business that actually runs without you — and is worth something one day — click the link below:https://go.strsecrets.com/podcast?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Captivate&utm_campaign=T033&utm_content=STRS00:01:41 - Sonder going bankrupt00:03:15 - talking about exits / long hold / vision00:05:09 - private equity, Blackstone, KKR, etc.00:06:47 - Vacasa, hyper-local focus, selling to PE00:08:47 - SOP playbook, fear of death, what happens if you're gone00:10:20 - CEO role, brand, numbers, game plan00:12:00 - not as easy as it looks, 70% with PMs 20+ units00:13:19 - PE criteria, churn, “can somebody else run my business?”00:14:55 - Built to Sell, books, contracts, “you not being the system”Get FREE Access to our Community and Weekly Trainings:https://group.strsecrets.com/

Your STR business is worth more than you think—if you build it the right way.In this episode, we break down the difference between operators who burn out… and operators who build real companies that survive, scale, and eventually sell for life-changing money.We also cover the hard lessons from companies that grew too fast, collapsed, or went bankrupt—and how to avoid their mistakes.In this episode you'll learn:• Why your STR business already has real enterprise value• What happens if everything lives in your head (and how to fix it)• The operational mistakes that bankrupted a fast-growing STR company• How to build systems that survive without you• What buyers REALLY look for in an STR business• The path to a 7–8 figure STR exitIf you want help building an STR business that actually runs without you — and is worth something one day — click the link below:https://go.strsecrets.com/podcast?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Captivate&utm_campaign=T033&utm_content=STRS00:01:41 - Sonder going bankrupt00:03:15 - talking about exits / long hold / vision00:05:09 - private equity, Blackstone, KKR, etc.00:06:47 - Vacasa, hyper-local focus, selling to PE00:08:47 - SOP playbook, fear of death, what happens if you're gone00:10:20 - CEO role, brand, numbers, game plan00:12:00 - not as easy as it looks, 70% with PMs 20+ units00:13:19 - PE criteria, churn, “can somebody else run my business?”00:14:55 - Built to Sell, books, contracts, “you not being the system”Get FREE Access to our Community and Weekly Trainings:https://group.strsecrets.com/

Marriott's partnership with Sonder collapses dramatically, with more details unveiled in court filings. REI makes a major return to travel through a new alliance with Intrepid, and Hilton doubles down on a high-growth strategy across Asia Pacific. On today's Skift Daily Briefing, Sarah Dandashy unpacks the chaotic final days of Sonder, why REI is betting big on guided adventures, and how Hilton is positioning itself for long-term dominance in Japan, India, and China. Articles Referenced: Sonder's Final Days: Marriott Lays Out the Timeline in Court Docs Intrepid Travel and REI Partner to Launch Adventure Tours Hilton's Asia Pacific Playbook: China vs. Japan vs. India Honorable Mention: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Good Morning Hospitality, A Skift Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Honorable Mention: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AskAConcierge on IG⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Skift LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/skift/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ WhatsApp: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaAL375LikgIXmNPYQ0L/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://facebook.com/skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/skiftnews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bsky.app/profile/skiftnews.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/skift⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@SkiftNews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and never miss an update from the travel industry.

In this episode, we're solo to break down the Sonder death, master leasing, shifting tides in our industry, demand going down and a LOT more...Enjoy!⭐️ Links & Show NotesAdam NorkoConrad O'ConnellSkift - Sonder Shuts Down After Marriott Termination, Marking the End of a Hospitality Experiment

Die minister van Internasionale Betrekkinge en Samewerking, Ronald Lamola, sê die G20-leiersberaad sal selfs in Amerika se afwesigheid ʼn verklaring aanvaar. Hy het gister deelgeneem aan die eerste Bloomberg Africa-sakeberaad in Johannesburg. Amerika boikot die beraad blykbaar oor die vermeende volksmoord op wit Afrikaner-boere in Suid-Afrika. Lamola erken dit gaan nie maklik wees om die beraad se verklaring te aanvaar sonder die wêreld se rykste land nie:

Reaksie word ontvang op die bekendstelling van ‘n Robbe-subsektor Tegniese Komitee. Dit het ten doel om 'n winsgewende, etiese en volhoubare robwaardeketting te bevorder. Hierdie inisiatief is ontwerp om werksgeleenthede te skep, innovasie aan te moedig en die bestuur van die land se mariene hulpbronne te verbeter. Kosmos 94.1 Nuus het gepraat met Naude Dreyer van Ocean Conservation Namibia, wat sê geen konsultasies is met belanghebbendes gehou nie.

Goldman Sachs bought a VC and a sports talent agency… because they take a tiny % of huge $$$.Burberry's stock is up 50% on their British pivot…. They're leaning into England's bad weather.Sonder abruptly shut down, leaving thousands without hotels… It's WeWork 2.0.And RIP to the American Penny… (so we wrote a coin obituary)$ABNB $GS $BRBYNEWSLETTER:https://tboypod.com/newsletter OUR 2ND SHOW:Want more business storytelling from us? Check our weekly deepdive show, The Best Idea Yet: The untold origin story of the products you're obsessed with. Listen for free to The Best Idea Yet: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/NEW LISTENERSFill out our 2 minute survey: https://qualtricsxm88y5r986q.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_dp1FDYiJgt6lHy6GET ON THE POD: Submit a shoutout or fact: https://tboypod.com/shoutouts SOCIALS:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tboypod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tboypodYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tboypod Linkedin (Nick): https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-martell/Linkedin (Jack): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ About Us: The daily pop-biz news show making today's top stories your business. Formerly known as Robinhood Snacks, The Best One Yet is hosted by Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sonder by Marriot Bonvoy closes…  New Dating terms…  A look at lotto…  MLB MVP's… JTN expanding…  Prime ad tier getting larger…  Netflix ad tier changing metrics… Diversity box checked on Netflix…  Idris doing another Luther…  Elephant Seals dying / Bird Flu…Email: Chewingthefat@theblaze.com   www.blazetv.com/jeffy   $20 off annual plan right now ( limited time )   Who Died Today: Daniel Owen 47-Cooper Owen 15 / 19 un-named Columbian drug rebel group…  Joke/ Thought of The Day… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

St. Jude’s Hospital in Fullerton had to partially evacuate after a bomb threat, and guests were left stranded when the hotel chain Sonder abruptly shut down one of its properties. Target is rolling out its “10-4” holiday strategy, and Conway floated the idea that he might—might—become an Anaheim Ducks fan. Dean Sharp, The House Whisperer, joined us to talk about the incoming rain and what homeowners can actually do during a storm—mainly buckets, tarps, and sandbags—and what the right steps are after the weather clears to fix roof leaks, drainage issues, and water intrusion the proper way. The Conway Show “flipped” as Aldik Home set up their annual Christmas tree spectacular, and Dean & Conway chatted with Brian Gold and Rosie about holiday décor, lighting, and the art of making your home feel warm for the season. A major storm is expected to hit on Friday and Saturday, bringing heavy rain and potential flooding concerns across SoCal.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Subscribe to This Week in Hospitality wherever you get you podcasts: Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5oPExA0txHMjEI5Ye13IUy Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-week-in-hospitality/id1849637233 Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWeekinHospitality   In this episode of This Week in Hospitality, Zach Busekrus sits down with Scott Eddy, Ben Wolff, and Edwin Kramer to unpack three major stories dominating the travel and hospitality world. From Sonder's dramatic collapse following Marriott's termination, to Hilton's launch of the Outset Collection, to Airbnb's bold embrace of hotels — this was one of the most consequential weeks the industry has seen in years. The team brings perspectives spanning global travel, hotel development, luxury operations, and hospitality tech. Fast-paced, unfiltered, and deeply informed — this is the weekly breakdown every hotelier, operator, developer, and investor should be listening to. This Week in Hospitality is presented to you by Journey. Journey is a loyalty platform built specifically for independent boutique hotels and high-touch hospitality brands. Our mission is to give operators the same powerful rewards engine, data intelligence, and guest insights that major chains rely on — without asking them to give up the individuality, soul, or story that makes their property extraordinary. If you're an owner or operator of an extraordinary, independently owned and operated hotel or residence — and you want to see whether your property is a fit for the Journey Alliance — you can learn more and apply at alliance.journey.com. Key Topics & Timestamps 00:00 — Introductions & why this podcast exists 09:12 — Story #1: Sonder × Marriott partnership collapses 17:08 — Ben's take: STR brand value & commodity product problem 23:45 — Marriott, scale, loyalty, and future brand strategy 25:47 — Story #2: Hilton launches The Outset Collection 33:50 — Owner perspective: data, flag strategies, ROI trade-offs 39:01 — Independents vs. major flags: the next 10 years 42:11 — Story #3: Airbnb officially welcomes hotels 45:42 — Airbnb's evolution into a hospitality ecosystem 50:51 — Does Airbnb need a total rebrand? 54:00 — “Back to hospitality roots” debate 54:53 — Wrap-up & what's coming next Your Hosts: Zach Busekrus — Journey LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbusekrus/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behindthestays/    Scott Eddy — Global Travel & Hospitality Expert @MrScottEddy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrscotteddy/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrscotteddy/   Ben Wolff — Founder of Onera & Oasi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-wolff/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uniquestaysguy/   Edwin Kramer — Luxury Hotelier Consultant & Former GM LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwinkramer/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/edwinkramer/

Morse code transcription: vvv vvv What we know about the latest Epstein emails referencing Trump Our dogs diversity can be traced back to the Stone Age Guests ejected mid stay from bankrupt hotel chain Sonder Ed Miliband calls on Keir Starmer to sack anonymous briefer Five key failings in the Sara Sharif review Renters Rights Act No fault evictions banned from May 2026 BBC apologises to Trump over Panorama edit but refuses to pay compensation Pam St Clement to return to EastEnders as Pat Butcher in dementia episode Titanic passengers pocket watch expected to fetch 1m at auction Road deaths Call for crash videos and photos to be illegal in NI

Morse code transcription: vvv vvv Five key failings in the Sara Sharif review BBC apologises to Trump over Panorama edit but refuses to pay compensation Pam St Clement to return to EastEnders as Pat Butcher in dementia episode Ed Miliband calls on Keir Starmer to sack anonymous briefer Road deaths Call for crash videos and photos to be illegal in NI What we know about the latest Epstein emails referencing Trump Our dogs diversity can be traced back to the Stone Age Guests ejected mid stay from bankrupt hotel chain Sonder Titanic passengers pocket watch expected to fetch 1m at auction Renters Rights Act No fault evictions banned from May 2026

Morse code transcription: vvv vvv Titanic passengers pocket watch expected to fetch 1m at auction Pam St Clement to return to EastEnders as Pat Butcher in dementia episode Guests ejected mid stay from bankrupt hotel chain Sonder Ed Miliband calls on Keir Starmer to sack anonymous briefer Five key failings in the Sara Sharif review Road deaths Call for crash videos and photos to be illegal in NI Our dogs diversity can be traced back to the Stone Age Renters Rights Act No fault evictions banned from May 2026 What we know about the latest Epstein emails referencing Trump BBC apologises to Trump over Panorama edit but refuses to pay compensation

Sonder's bankruptcy has shaken the short-term rental world — and for good reason. Once the poster child of the “hotel-meets-Airbnb” model, Sonder's downfall marks a pivotal moment for operators everywhere. In this episode, AirDNA's Chief Economist Jamie Lane and co-host Scott Sage unpack what went wrong, what it signals for the rental arbitrage model, and how changing travel demand is reshaping the industry.From a surprising partnership failure with Marriott to the ripple effects in urban markets still struggling post-COVID, Jamie and Scott connect the dots between Sonder's story and broader market trends. They also dig into fresh October 2025 performance data, including occupancy declines, rate adjustments, and a critical PSA for hosts affected by Airbnb's new service fee model.The episode closes with a behind-the-scenes look at AirDNA's latest data model upgrades, revealing how machine learning is improving accuracy and trust in industry insights — setting the stage for even more powerful analytics ahead.You don't want to miss this episode — especially if you rely on rental data to guide your business decisions.Key Takeaways for STR Pros

The team dives into another chaotic, entertaining week in industrial real estate, college football, old-building nostalgia, and the bizarre downfall of Sonder. Jeff returns from a Scranton trip with a full “Old Building Reporter” segment, complete with Dunder Mifflin lore, steam engines, and the existential question of what happens to 140-year-old industrial buildings in modern markets.We run through:Market updates, REIT performance, and interest-rate sanityA “buildings with a yard—like the good old days” listing plugWhy industrial REITs are somehow still negativeDoge, Elon, and federal budget rantsThe ultimate fluff term: “strong demographics”The craziest Airbnb collapse of the year (RIP Sonder)The weirdest Airbnb stories you've ever heardCollege football chaos, Heisman hopefuls, and Tech's defensive buzzThe rise of a Celina pro soccer team and mixed-use speculation

Marriott and Sonder’s messy breakup leaves guests stuck in the middle as cancellations and confusion pile up. Then, Andy introduces Frolly, the new dating app bringing dog lovers together - because why not find love through your pup? Finally, we explore the haunting yet heartwarming story of the dogs of Chernobyl, the resilient descendants of pets left behind who’ve adapted to one of the most radioactive places on EarthSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

U.S. travel companies are feeling the sting of fewer international visitors, Airbnb tests a hotel strategy in major cities, and Sonder's meteoric rise ends in collapse. On today's Skift Daily Briefing, Sarah Dandashy breaks down what's behind the tourism slowdown, why Airbnb's next chapter might look more like Expedia, and what Sonder's downfall means for hospitality's tech-driven future. Articles Referenced: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠U.S. Travel Companies Hit by Fewer International Visitors. Here's What CEOs Say. ⁠How Airbnb Is Thinking About Its Third New Business of 2025 — Hotels ⁠Sonder Officially Shuts Down: What Went Wrong? Honorable Mention: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Good Morning Hospitality, A Skift Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Honorable Mention: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AskAConcierge on IG⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Skift LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/skift/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ WhatsApp: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaAL375LikgIXmNPYQ0L/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://facebook.com/skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/skiftnews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bsky.app/profile/skiftnews.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/skift⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@SkiftNews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and never miss an update from the travel industry.

On this episode of Good Morning Hospitality, A Skift Podcast, Wil Slickers, Michael Goldin, and Brandreth Canaley are joined by Skift Senior Hospitality Reporter Sean O'Neill to unpack the breaking story of Marriott Bonvoy ending its licensing agreement with Sonder Inc. after the company defaulted on the deal. The partnership had been a much-needed lifeline for Sonder, allowing its apartment-style properties to be listed across Marriott's booking channels. But with the agreement now terminated, and Sonder's own website currently showing zero available listings, the situation is raising questions about the company's operations, liquidity, and future as a public brand. Marriott has said it's assisting guests with existing bookings made through its platforms, while those who booked via third parties should contact their providers directly. As this story continues to develop, Sean shares what's known so far, and the GMH crew digs into what this could signal for Marriott's extended-stay ambitions, Sonder's next move (if any at all), and how confidence in hotel–tech partnerships may shift in the days/weeks ahead. Presented by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Lodgify⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the Hosts: Brandy Canaley – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Wil Slickers – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Goldin – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Skift: LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/skift/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ WhatsApp: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaAL375LikgIXmNPYQ0L/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://facebook.com/skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/skiftnews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@skiftnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bsky.app/profile/skiftnews.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/skift⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to ⁠@SkiftNews⁠ and never miss an update from the travel industry.

This week, guests will be Soarin' to new destinations in 2026, Make-A-Wish made a big Halloween splash for kids, Parkside Market has some changes, a possible glimpse of new nighttime entertainment, a special overnight event, we talk about our latest trip and more! Please support the show if you can by going to https://www.dlweekly.net/support/. Check out all of our current partners and exclusive discounts at https://www.dlweekly.net/promos. News: Next year is the 250th anniversary of The United States of America. As part of the celebration, Disney has announced that a new version of Soarin' will be coming to the parks. Soarin' Across America will premiere at Disneyland and Walt Disney World next summer. The new version will highlight some of the country's natural beauty and city landscapes. More than a dozen locations will be featured. – https://disneyparksblog.com/disney-experiences/soarin-across-america-at-disneyland-and-disney-world/ Southern Californians have been looking to the skies to get a glimpse of new possibilities coming to Disney Nighttime Entertainment. Recent drone testing in Santa Clarita, California has shown Disney characters from Peter Pan, to Moana, to Sorcerer Mickey, and more! Disney and ABC Studios own two lots on the Golden Oak Ranch where this testing is speculated to have taken place. To see what was being tested, check out the link in our show notes. – https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2025/10/22/is-this-video-a-major-clue-about-a-new-disney-drone-show/#more-1077132 https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-parks/disney-ranch-drones/ Something interesting that we learned when we were visiting is that Sip and Sonder, the coffee shop that was part of Parkside Market, had closed. In its place is Parkside Market Coffee & Tea. The location features hot and cold coffee and tea drinks, along with pastries, savory breakfast bites, and cinnamon rolls of different flavors. – https://www.micechat.com/425707-disneyland-update-halloweens-last-hurrah-holiday-sneak-peek-refurb-rush/ Last week, when we were in the park, we were able to catch a glimpse of Disney's partnership with the Make-A-Wish Foundation. This time, they partnered with some of the world's top creators to grant wishes for 40 kids at the ultimate Halloween experience. 16 kids met MrBeast with a scavenger hunt through the parks, A for Adley hosted a playdate with crafts, Disney dolls, and Rainbow Ghost Rescue. Mark Rober dropped eggs off the Millennium Falcon to teach families how to make contraptions to save their eggs from cracking. Chef Amaury Guichon did a live chocolate-making demo, Doctor Mike built a lightsaver, and San & Colby rode Haunted Mansion. Disney partners with Make-A-Wish to grant a wish for every hour of every day. – https://disneyparksblog.com/community-outreach/disney-make-a-wish-mrbeast-and-more-creators-grant-wishes-at-disneyland/ Last week, The Wonderful World of Disney: Magical Holiday Celebration taped segments for the holiday special overnight. D23 members could register to attend the event, which ran from 11pm to 6am. Guests were treated to performances by Nicole Scherzinger singing “O Holy Night” and “Mary Did You Know?” Gwen Stefani performed her new holiday song “Shake the Snow Globe” and “You Make It Feel Like Christmas.” – https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-parks/disneyland-overnight-holiday-special-recording-recap/ Halloween is almost here, but the holiday season is quick to move on at the Disneyland Resort. 2025 Holiday Merchandise has arrived all over the resort. Some of the collections this year are the Mickey Mouse Family Christmas Collection, the Gingerbread Collection, the Snowman Trent Collection, Winter Scenic Collection, Disney Hanukkah Collection, Disney Holiday Haven Collection, Disney Winter Peppermint Collection, Disney Fair Isle Print Collection, and Disney Christmas Plaid Collection. – https://www.micechat.com/423292-disney-holiday-merchandise-2025/ SnackChat: Churro Talk with Vern Discussion Topic: Halloween Trip Recap and JPL Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.