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For all those who missed out on London, see you in Miami next week!Notion, the knowledge work decacorn, has been building AI tooling since before ChatGPT, with many hits from Q&A in 2023 and unified AI in 2024 and Meeting Notes in 2025. At the end of their last Make user conference, Ryan Nystrom teased Notion 3.0's Custom Agents - and they are finally embracing the Agent Lab playbook!Sarah Sachs and Simon Last of Notion join us for a deep dive into how Notion built Custom Agents, why it took years and multiple rebuilds to get right, and what it means to turn a productivity tool into an agent-native system of record for enterprise work.We go inside the product, engineering, evals, pricing, and org design decisions behind one of the most ambitious AI product efforts in software today — from early failed tool-calling experiments in 2022 to agent harnesses, progressive tool disclosure, meeting notes as data capture, and the long-term vision for software factories and agentic work.We discuss:* Sarah and Simon's path to launching Notion Custom Agents, and why the feature was rebuilt four or five times before it was ready for production* Why early agent attempts failed: no tool-calling standard, short context windows, unreliable models, and too much complexity exposed to the model* The “Agent Lab” thesis: not just wrapping a model, but understanding how people collaborate and building the right product system around frontier capabilities* How Notion thinks about roadmap timing: not swimming upstream against model limitations, but also building early enough that the product is ready when the models are* Why coding agents feel like the kernel of AGI, and how Notion is thinking about “software factories” made up of agents that spec, code, test, debug, review, and maintain codebases together* How Sarah runs AI engineering at Notion (“notes from Token Town”): objective-setting over idea ownership, low-ego teams comfortable deleting their own work, and a culture designed to swarm around fast-changing opportunities* The “Simon Vortex,” company hackathons, and why security gets pulled in early rather than late* How Notion organizes AI: core AI capabilities and infrastructure, product packaging teams, and a broader company mandate that every product surface must increasingly work for both humans and agents* Why prototypes have become much easier to build internally, and how “demos over memos” changes product development inside a tool the whole company already uses every day* Notion's eval philosophy: regression tests, launch-quality evals, and “frontier/headroom” evals that intentionally only pass ~30% of the time so the company can see where model capabilities are going* What a “Model Behavior Engineer” is, and why Notion treats eval writing, failure analysis, and model understanding as a distinct function rather than just software engineering* The changing role of software engineers in the age of coding agents, and why the new job looks less like typing code and more like supervising a rigorous outer system of agents, PRs, and verification loops* How the “software factory” should work: specs, self-verification, bug flows, subagents, and minimizing human intervention while preserving the invariants that matter* A live walkthrough of a Notion Custom Agent handling coworking space tenant applications by triaging email, enriching applicants with web search, and writing structured data into a Notion database* How agents compose inside Notion: shared databases as primitives, agents invoking other agents, “manager agents” supervising dozens of specialized agents, and memory implemented simply as pages and databases* Notion's take on MCP vs CLI: why Simon is bullish on CLI's self-debugging nature, where MCP still makes sense, and how Sarah thinks about capability, determinism, permissioning, and pricing alignment* The evolution of Notion's internal agent harness: from early JavaScript coding agents, to custom XML, to Markdown and SQL-like abstractions, to tool definitions, progressive disclosure, and a much shorter system prompt* Why Notion cares about teaching “the top of the class,” building for sophisticated operators rather than abstracting away too much capability for everyone* How agent setup works today: agents that can configure themselves, inspect their own failures, and edit their own instructions — with guardrails around permissions* How Notion prices Custom Agents: credits as an abstraction over tokens, model type, serving tier, web search, and future sandbox costs; why usage-based pricing was necessary; and how “auto” tries to match the right model to the right task* Why Notion is not eager to train a foundation model, where they do fine-tune and optimize today, and why retrieval/ranking is one of the most important investment areas as more searches come from agents rather than humans* Why Meeting Notes became one of Notion's strongest growth loops: not just as transcription, but as high-signal data capture that powers search, custom agents, follow-up workflows, and the broader system of record for company collaboration* Why Notion is more interested in being the place where collaboration data lives than in building hardware themselves — and how wearables or other capture devices may eventually feed into that systemSarah SachsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahmsachsX: https://x.com/sarahmsachsSimon LastLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-last-41404140X: https://x.com/simonlastFull Video EpisodeTimestamps* 00:00:00 Introduction and launching Notion Custom Agents* 00:01:17 Why Notion rebuilt agents four or five times* 00:03:35 Building for where models are going, not just where they are* 00:05:32 The Agent Lab thesis, wrappers, and product intuition* 00:08:07 User journeys, leadership, and low-ego AI teams* 00:13:16 The Simon Vortex, hackathons, and bringing security in early* 00:16:39 Team structure, demos over memos, and building for agents* 00:20:25 Evals, Notion's Last Exam, and the Model Behavior Engineer role* 00:27:37 Evals as an agent harness and the changing role of software engineers* 00:30:42 The software factory: specs, verification, and agent workflows* 00:32:18 Live demo: a custom agent for coworking space applications* 00:35:08 Composing agents, manager agents, and memory as pages* 00:38:15 Notion Mail, Gmail, native integrations, and tools* 00:39:43 MCP vs CLI and the cost of capability* 00:44:13 When Notion uses MCP vs building its own integrations* 00:47:43 The history of Notion's agent harness rebuilds* 00:55:35 Power users, public tools, and the setup agent* 00:58:01 Self-fixing agents, permissions, and “flippy”* 01:01:13 Pricing, credits, and choosing the right model automatically* 01:09:01 Why Notion isn't training its own frontier model* 01:14:07 Retrieval, ranking, and search built for agents* 01:17:27 Meeting Notes as data capture and workflow automation* 01:21:18 Wearables, hardware, and Notion as the system of record* 01:23:45 OutroTranscript[00:00:00] Alessio: Hey everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio founder of Kernel Labs and I'm joined by swyx, editor of the Latent Space.[00:00:11] swyx: Hello. Hello. We're back in the beautiful studio that, uh, Alessio has set up for us with Simon and Sarah from Notion. Welcome.[00:00:18] Sarah Sachs: Thanks for having us.[00:00:19] Alessio: Thanks for having us. Yeah.[00:00:20] swyx: Congrats on the launch recently the custom agents, finally it's here. How's it feel?[00:00:26] Sarah Sachs: We ship things slowly. So it had been in Alpha for a little bit and at the point at which is it's an alpha, um, there's a group of people that are making sure it's ready for prod, and then there's a group of people working on the next thing.So sometimes some of these launches are a bit delayed satisfaction, so it's quite nice to remind yourself all the work you did because we do have a habit of like. Being two or three milestones ahead. Uh, just ‘cause you have to be, you know, you can't get complacent. Um, but it's been great that people understood how this is helpful.And I think that's just easier in general building AI tools today than it was two, three years ago. People kind of get it and so that user education, um, there's just, it was our most successful launch in terms of free trials and converting people and things like that. It was really successful, so yeah.But there's a lot to build.[00:01:12] swyx: Making it free for three months helps.[00:01:16] Sarah Sachs: Yep.[00:01:17] Simon Last: It was definitely super exciting for me because it's probably the fourth or fifth time that we rebuilt that.[00:01:22] swyx: Yes.[00:01:23] Simon Last: And I mean,[00:01:24] swyx: you've been building this since like 20, 22.[00:01:26] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, like, it was even right when we got access to like GPT four in late 20 22, 1 of the first ideas we had is like, oh, okay, let's make an agent that I, we used the word assistant at the time, there wasn't really the word, the word agent yet, but, oh, we'll give an access to all the tools the notion can do, and then it, we run in the background like, like do work for us.And then we just tried that many times and it just. Was too early. Um,[00:01:48] swyx: I need to force you to like double click on that. What is too early? What didn't work?[00:01:52] Sarah Sachs: We were fine to, like, before function calling came out. We were trying to fine tune with the Frontier Labs and with fireworks, like a function calling model on notion functions.This is right when I joined. I joined because, um, we needed a manager as Simon was needed to be able to go on vacation. So, uh, that's, that's around when I joined, so you can speak much more to it.[00:02:11] Simon Last: Yeah, we did partnerships with both philanthropic and open AI at different times, uh, to try to, at the time the, I mean, when we first tried, there wasn't even a constant of like tools yet.We, we sort of designed our own like, like tool calling framework and then we tried to fine tune the models to, uh, to use it over multiple turns. Um, and because it, it didn't work well out the box, I think. Yeah. The models are just too dumb and the context thing was also way too short.[00:02:37] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:02:37] Simon Last: Um, and yeah, we just kind of banged our head against it for a long time.Uh, unfortunately it was always like, there was always like sort of. Glimmers that it was working, but um, it never felt quite robust enough to be like a useful, delightful thing. Um, until I would say, uh, the big unlock was probably like Sonic 3.6 or seven, uh, early last year. And that's when we started working on our agent, which we shipped last year.Um, and then, and then uh, uh, custom agents, kinda a similar capability and that, that one just took longer because we, we just wanted to get the reliability up a lot higher. ‘cause it's actually running in the background.[00:03:14] Sarah Sachs: And the product interface of like permissions and understanding, you know, this custom agent is shared in a Slack channel with X group of people and has access to documents that are surfaced to Y group of people.And the intersect experts, Y might not be whole. And so how do you build the product around making sure administrators understand that permissioning took multiple swings.[00:03:35] Alsesio: Everything is hard back at the end of the day. Yeah. I'm curious, like when the models are not working, how do you inform the product roadmap of like, okay, we should probably build, expecting the models to be better at some reasonable pace, but at the same time we need to, you know, you had a lot of customers in 2022.It's not like you were a new company or like no user base.[00:03:54] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean I think there's always the balance of, you know, like you want to be a GI pilled and thinking ahead and building for where things are going. Uh, but also you wanna be like shipping useful things. And so we always try to like, like keep a balance there.You know, we. We try to take clear, like a portfolio approach. You know, we're always working on multiple projects and, and we're always trying to work on, you know, maintaining things where that have already shipped, like, like shipping new things that are like eminently working well and make them really good.And, and then we wanna always have a few projects that are a little bit crazy. Um,[00:04:23] Alsesio: and what are the a GI peel projects that you have today? I'm curious about, uh, you don't have to share exactly what you're working on, but I'm curious what are things today that maybe in 18 months people will be like, oh, obviously this was gonna work[00:04:35] Sarah Sachs: 18 months.[00:04:37] Alsesio: Yeah, 18 months is, you know,[00:04:37] Sarah Sachs: it's a long time and Yeah. Yeah.[00:04:39] Simon Last: I mean, there's a number of things happening. I think one thing that's becoming more clear is I think like, like, uh, coding agents are the kernel of EGI, sort of, everything is a coding agent. Mm-hmm. I think that's, that's sort of one, one direction.Um, and then, yeah, the exciting thing about that is sort of your agent can sort of bootstrap its own software and capabilities and actually debug and maintain them. And so yeah, we're, we're, we're thinking a lot about that. And then, yeah, like, like another category of things that I'm, I'm really excited about is like, uh, we call the software factory also.People are using this, uh, this, this sort of word. Um, basically it just means can you create sort of like a, as automated as possible, a workflow for developing debugging. Mm-hmm. Merging, reviewing, and maintaining a code base and a service where there's a bunch of agents working together inside, and like, like how does that work?[00:05:28] Sarah Sachs: If you think back to your initial question, like, why did this take so long? I think something,[00:05:32] swyx: I didn't say that, but Yes. Okay. Go ahead.[00:05:34] Sarah Sachs: Why, what, what changed over the three and half years of trying[00:05:37] swyx: it? Exactly. Right. Because most people always say like, it didn't work yet. Then reasoning models came, then it worked.I was like, okay, let's go a little[00:05:43] Sarah Sachs: bit. That's, I mean, that's part of it, but I think the other part of it that I actually think is really what will set notion apart for every new capability is we have like. Two skills that are crucial when it comes to frontier capabilities. One is not letting yourself swim upstream.So like quickly realizing if you're just pressing against model capabilities versus not exposing the model to the right information, not having the right infrastructure set up. That and of itself is the skill of intuition. And the second is to see, okay, you're not swimming upstream. Which direction is the river flowing and what is like, how do we think ahead about the product and start building it even if it's not great yet, so that when it is there, we're ready for it.Right? And like those can sometimes feel like counterintuitive things. Like we can be trying to fine tune a tool calling model when they don't exist yet. And that the trick is to not do that for too long, but realize that there was something there. And we've had a lot of things which like, um, we're just like not swimming in the right direction with the streams.I think we had multiple versions of transcription before we got meeting notes, right? Oh, I gotta talk[00:06:39] swyx: about that. Yeah.[00:06:40] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. Um, and so. I, I, I think that like we, we really closely partner with the Frontier Labs on capabilities and we also have to have strong conviction on, as those capabilities move.Notion is about being the best place for you to collaborate and do your work. And how does that narrative change if the way that we work changes?Yeah.[00:06:58] swyx: Yeah. You told me you were a fan of the Agent Lab thesis, and this is, this is kind of it, right?[00:07:02] Sarah Sachs: Right. I show that thesis to so many candidates. Like I have it as like micro chrome autofill.Um, at this point, like it's one of my most visitations[00:07:10] swyx: because like, is this the, here's why you should work in notion and not open, open eye. I, it's like,[00:07:14] Sarah Sachs: here's, here's what's different about it.[00:07:16] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:16] Sarah Sachs: And here's why. It's not just a rapper. I actually think more and more people understand it's not just a wrapper.[00:07:21] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:22] Sarah Sachs: Um, and by the way, like in the beginning, parts of what we build are wrappers on functionality. That works well, of course, but that's not really the most, um. I would say that's not the product that, that drives revenue. And that's not necessarily always what users need.[00:07:35] swyx: I mean, you know, notion is the AWS wrapper, but like the, the wrapper is very beautiful and like very, very well polished.So[00:07:40] Sarah Sachs: like the analogy,[00:07:41] swyx: like[00:07:42] Sarah Sachs: the analogy that I've been coming back to his Datadog in AWS[00:07:45] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:46] Sarah Sachs: So, uh, Datadog could not exist with, without cloud storage. Right. That it's kind of fundamental that that works. Um, and AWS has like a CloudWatch product, but Datadog is an expert on understanding how people want observability on the products they launch.And we're experts in understanding how people wanna collaborate, and that's really where our expertise lies.[00:08:04] swyx: Totally.[00:08:04] Sarah Sachs: Um, regardless of the tools that we use,[00:08:07] Alsesio: I'm kind of curious how you think about implicit versus explicit expertise. I feel like Datadog is half and half implicit and explicit. It's like they understand across markets and industries what engineering teams usually look for.With notion, it's almost like more of the expertise is at the edge because you as a platform, you're like so horizontal that the end user is not really the same. Mm-hmm. Like with Datadog, the end user is always like, yeah, an engineering lead, a kinda like SRE related person with notion. It can be anything.So I'm curious how you put that expertise into a product versus, you know, obviously it, WS cannot build notion. It's, that doesn't quite work in this case, but[00:08:44] Simon Last: it's, it's a little bit differently shaped. I think, you know, a classic vertical SaaS, like the data is kind of like that. They understand their individual customer very deeply.It's kinda a narrow slice, um, notion has always been super horizontal. And our, our task has always been to sort of balance these two somewhat opposing forces of like, we're listening to our customers and what they want us to build. It's a broad slice. And then also we're thinking about like, okay, how do we decompose what they want into, uh, nice primitives that are, that are really nice to use and we'll, we'll get us like as much bang for the buck as possible.And then, you know. Maintain the whole system, make it all like, like super clean and nice to use.[00:09:22] Sarah Sachs: We still have user journeys. I mean, we still focus on like core. I actually think the failure of our team is when we focus too much on what are cools that are, what are tools that are[00:09:31] Simon Last: mm-hmm.[00:09:31] Sarah Sachs: Cool tools. I actually think that's when we make have the least velocity because you still need some sort of focus on a user journey.So like for instance, we'll all sit down every Friday and look at the P 99 of like the most token exhaustive custom agent transcript and just look at why it didn't do well and cut a bunch of tasks. Like we still focus on like, this has, like this should work. Email triaging should work. Mm-hmm. Right. And similarly, like when we're talking about before building, um, chatting, um, before we started filming about, okay, how can I do PDF export?Well that's functionality that then merits. Maybe we should build a tool that has access to a computer sandbox in a file system and the ability to write code. Right? Right. Um, but it's because we're thinking about the fact that our users to do their, to do their daily work, need to export PDFs, not because we're like, Hmm, I think a computer tool could be cool.Like, let's just see what happens. Mm-hmm. Like we, we have to focus on some user journeys, otherwise we just don't have like, enough strategy to, to prioritize.[00:10:29] swyx: I think there's a lot of like really strong opinions that you've had. Do you have like sort of like a towel of Sarah Sachs? Like, you know, like what, how do you run your team?Like I feel like you just have accumulated all these strong opinions. Obviously part, part of this is your, your token town thing.[00:10:43] Sarah Sachs: I think the TAs working with Service X is, um, you'd have to, it depends who you ask. Um, I think it depends if you're on my team or a partner Right. Or a vendor.[00:10:54] swyx: Yeah. There other people want to run their teams the way that you're Yeah.You're like bringing these things. And then also similarly, uh, Simon, when you did the custom agents demo, you had like, well, we've been using custom agents and here's the super long list of everything that we do. No humans ever read it. Right? That's what you said. I was like,[00:11:07] Sarah Sachs: yeah. So I think for, for me, um, something that I learned very quickly and became very comfortable with was that my job was not to be the ideas per person or the technical expert.My job was to make it so that everybody understood the objective, had a resource to help prioritize what they should work on, and had an avenue to prioritize what they thought was important. And I think that's true with all, all leadership, but I think especially on the AI team. Almost all of our best ideas come from prototypes, from people that have a cool idea because they saw a user problem, and it's a huge disservice if all of those ideas have to pass, like the sniff test of what me and a product partner or Simon and Ivan decided were the direction, right?Because a lot of what we're doing is leaning into capabilities, so. I think that's the first thing is like, I don't really view like the role of engineering leadership as like, uh, hierarchical, nor has it ever been, but especially now, like very willing to change direction based on, um, like proof is in the pudding.Yeah. And like, and I think we have rebuilt our harness three or four times. And when you do that, then the second rule of engineering leadership is like you need to build a team that's comfortable deleting their own code and is very low ego and is driven by what's best for the company. And, um, doesn't write design docs because they think it's their promotion packet.Right. And that's a culture that notion had long before I joined, but like our willingness to just swarm on different problems and um, redo things that we've built before because something has changed. Like, there's a lot of friction that can happen at companies when you do that. And it doesn't happen at Notion.And because it doesn't happen when new people join. Like they don't wanna be the ones that are saying, we shouldn't do this. I wrote that code. So then it's, you know, you, you create a culture that everyone thoughts and that culture comes directly, I think from Simon and Ivan though, um, because they're very open-minded.[00:12:50] swyx: Anything that you,[00:12:50] Simon Last: you'd add? I'm not a manager, like, like, like Sarah is. Um, a lot of my role is really to try to think a little bit ahead, make sure that we're, we're building on the right capabilities and then like the prototyping stuff. And yeah, it's really, really critical to always just be starting again.It's like, okay, this is new thing. What does this mean? What if we just rethought everything or wrote everything? And so I, I'm, I'm basically just doing that in a loop every six months.[00:13:16] swyx: Yeah. Do you believe in internal hackathons for this stuff?[00:13:19] Sarah Sachs: I think there's like two different versions. So one is like, we just have a, a, a solid bench of senior engineers that come and go on what we call the Simon Vortex and Productionizing what we built, right?Because when you're in the Simon Vortex, the velocity is super high. The direction changes daily, and it's meant to be like the equivalent of a SC Works lab. We don't need to do hackathons for that. We need to have senior engineers that we trust to come in and out of those projects. For instance, like management boundaries are really loose.Like you report to him, but you work for her right now. Yeah. That's something that when we hire managers, it's important they don't care about because we tend to form more structures. Yeah. Don't be too[00:13:54] swyx: territorial.[00:13:55] Sarah Sachs: We form more. It's after we ship things, not not before, just historically. Um, the second thing is we do have companywide hackathons.Actually we just had our demos day for the hackathon we had last week this morning. That's more for people that aren't directly working on the project, feeling like they have the time to pause and learn how to make themselves more productive or how they would use notion custom agents to build something.Or part of the hackathon was actually encouraging everyone across the company to build their own agentic tool loop, calling from scratch. Follow like an every blog post on how to do what I think because we want[00:14:26] swyx: just with the compound engineering one. Yeah.[00:14:28] Sarah Sachs: We want everyone to use cloud code in the company or whatever the coding agent they please and understand that fundamental.So we set aside a day and a half. We're all leadership, encourage everyone on their teams across the company to do it. So we have hackathons like that. I would say like kind of facetiously, like everything we build is a little bit like a hackathon until it graduates and puts on big boy pants and as a product ops rollout leader and has a assigned data scientists and stuff like that,[00:14:54] swyx: security review enterprise stuff,[00:14:56] Sarah Sachs: actually security reviews one of the things that we bring in first because it just slows us down way more and, um, causes a lot of tension and they build better product if they're involved early.So, um, that is probably the first person to get involved in something that's the[00:15:09] swyx: right PR approved answer.[00:15:10] Sarah Sachs: No, but it's not just PR approved. It like, um, um, it's[00:15:13] swyx: actually real. It's actually real. It's like, um, I'm just saying scar[00:15:15] Sarah Sachs: tissue.[00:15:15] swyx: Yeah,[00:15:16] Sarah Sachs: because like, you know, my background's also, I worked at Robinhood for a number of years.Yes. So like, uh, compliance and things like that, um, are a little bit more, you learn the hard way when it doesn't come naturally.[00:15:26] Simon Last: Yeah. I think the. The hackathon is really important for uplifting the general population, but like, if that's the only way you can build new things, you're kind of toast. I mean, it, it has to be like the daily processes, like, you know, building these new things.Um, and it has to be about, I think like, I think in the AI era a lot more leverage accumulates to the most curious and excited people. And so it's like we're all about just like activating that energy. You know, like if someone's protesting something on the weekend that they're excited about and it's important, that should be the main thing that we're doing.Yeah. Um, it's not a hackathon that we schedule once a quarter, it's just like, yeah. Daily process. Part of the culture.[00:16:02] Sarah Sachs: I mean, that's how we shift image generation and notion now. It was always this thing that would be kind of nice to have, but it wasn't really clear where that was necessarily aligned in product priorities.It'd be a lot of work. And we had someone on the database collections team, Jimmy, who was like. I really wanna do image generation for cover photos and inside notion. And we're like, if you wanna build it, like it's, do it please. Like we encourage you. We gave ‘em all the resources of working directly with Gemini and being able to like track the token usage and it working through endpoints.We gave them eval, support, everything, and then became a, a full project.[00:16:34] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:16:35] Sarah Sachs: That's why you can't have like ego as a, a leader. Like that's, that's how we work.[00:16:39] Alsesio: What's the size of the team today, both engineering and overall?[00:16:43] Sarah Sachs: I manage, uh, the team. That's what we'll call it. Core AI capabilities and infrastructure.That's about 50 people. But then we have per i partner teams that do packaging. So how it shows up in the corner chat versus custom agents versus meeting notes, that's another 30, 40 people. And, and then every team that has a product service at Notion that a user can interface with owns the tool that the agent interfaces with the editor team.The team that did CRDT for offline mode is the same team that handles how two agents, um, edit competing blocks. Mm-hmm. Right? It's the same problem. The team that built the underlying SQL engine is the same team that owns how the agent asks it to run a SQL query, and it does it performantly. And so from that regard, anyone working on product engineering is tasked with making them work for customers that are humans and agents because over time the majority of our traffic will be coming from agencies using in our interface, not humans.And so. Our objective is to make it so that the whole product org is building for agents.[00:17:40] Alsesio: Yeah. How has it changed internally? The activation bar is kind of lowered a lot. Like anybody can kind of create a prototype very, somewhat easily, especially if you're like an existing code base. Have you raised the bar on like what type of prototype people need to bring forward to gonna be taken?Not like seriously, but like, you know what I[00:17:58] Simon Last: mean? Yeah. I think the bar is lowered in many ways. Be like, one thing our, uh, our team built that is really cool is our, uh, our, our design team made a whole separate GitHub repo, uh, called the, the design Playground. And it's basically just to create a bunch of like, like helper components and you, uh, for, for quickly a throwing together UIs.And it's become like actually quite sophisticated. Like it has like an agent in there and like, uh, that's pretty fun. So like, we pretty much, like, they don't do mocks, they just make like, like full, full prototypes.[00:18:27] swyx: Here it is. It works.[00:18:28] Simon Last: They give you like a u rl. They're like, okay, all right. So we have to make the, like the real production version of that.Um, and then for engineers. A prototype looks like just making it a feature flag that actually works. Like that's sort of the bar.[00:18:39] Sarah Sachs: Something to understand that's really unique about notion. One of the reasons I joined we're super lucky is no one uses Notion in their job as much as people that work at Notion.[00:18:46] Simon Last: Of course.[00:18:47] Sarah Sachs: So I think there's very few companies, maybe if you worked on Chrome I guess, but like everything that we ship, we ship internally first and get a lot of really quick feedback. And also sometimes our dev instance is totally borked and you have to change a bunch of flags to get things done. And that's kind of like, but everyone, so people that do it ticketing, people that do supply chain procurement, recruiting, everyone is using the same instance of notion with like a lot of flags on for these prototypes people build.Um, and so we have this, Brian Levin, one of the designers on our team, I think evangelize this concept of demos over memos.[00:19:18] swyx: Ooh, too[00:19:20] Sarah Sachs: good. Um, which has been, uh, very good for building demos, and I think it's put a big pressure point on us to have really strong product conviction, because if anything can be demoed, you really need a strong filter of making sure that if you know, you're doing X amount of work, you're making the, you're, you're focusing on one tower, you're not just building a really flat hill.Right. That's actually where I think there has to be more conviction from our PMs, um, and our designers and, and well, the company really to have conviction of what journey we're going on.[00:19:52] Simon Last: But overall, I feel like it works pretty well. Like people, almost all the engineers have good enough taste to realize that like, this prototype doesn't actually make sense in the product, or, or it does.So it's not that common that I would see a prototype. It's like, oh, this makes no sense. Mm-hmm. It's like, you know, people are doing reasonable things and, and, and then it's just a matter of. Which things we build first and then often just, just figuring out how to turn it on and off. There's our, in the, in our like experimental chat ui, there's this, there's probably like, like a hundred check boxes in there.[00:20:22] Sarah Sachs: Kills me[00:20:23] Simon Last: the things you could turn on and off.[00:20:25] Sarah Sachs: Uh, but I think that, okay, so that is kind of true, Simon, but like being the person that manages the evals team, like there is a level of intensity that it adds to the platform team. So, you know, if we're gonna do image generation and notion, all of a sudden the way that we do attachments and the way that we, um, our LLM completion like cortex talks and expects tokens back and now it's getting images back.Like there's a lot of platform work that we do need to, like solidify a little bit. So sometimes it'll be in dev for a couple weeks before it makes it to prod just because we still have to like, make it robust, make it HIPAA compliant, ZDR compliant, figure out the right contracting with the vendor, whatever it is.And we need to eval it because we want the team. To still maintain what they build. That's the one thing is like if we have a bunch of prototypes, it can't just be like a small group of people that then maintain whatever end prototypes. So we have invested a lot of people in an eval and model behavior understanding teams that, we call it agent dev velocity.So your dev velocity building agents can be faster if we invest in that platform. And so we have a whole org dedicated to Asian, um, platform velocity so that you can build your own eval and then maintain it once you ship it. So if a new model release comes out and we, every[00:21:38] swyx: team maintains their own eval,[00:21:40] Sarah Sachs: we maintain the eval framework.Every team owns their own evals and a lot of them we've integrated to Optin, to ci, or we run them nightly and we have a team, uh, a custom agent that triggers to a team to look at the major failures. That's really critical because if we have like all these different surfaces now, a lot of it's on the same agent harness, so it's easier to maintain.It's just packaging of different agent harnesses, but new functionality of the agent. Let's say that like we wanna update like. Uh, you know, they deprecated, sonnet, um, four or whatever it is and we need to auto update. Are[00:22:11] swyx: they already? That's so, okay. Yeah. Actually wasn't that long ago.[00:22:14] Alsesio: Theywere[00:22:14] Alsesio: just 3.5.[00:22:15] Sarah Sachs: 3.537. Just got deprecated.[00:22:18] swyx: 3 7, 5 0.2 or, yeah. No,[00:22:20] Sarah Sachs: it's not. 5.2 is five point. Five point no. Yeah, five four is 40% more expensive than five two. So if they deprecated five two, you would hear they can, you would hear from me about that one. Um, but, uh, another conversation to have.[00:22:35] swyx: I have a cheeky evals question for you.Have you noticed any secret degradation from any of the major model providers?[00:22:40] Sarah Sachs: Secret degradation,[00:22:42] swyx: like. During the War Bay, when it's high traffic, it suddenly gets dumber.[00:22:47] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. I mean, not just between the, I mean, we definitely notice flakiness, we've definitely noticed, particularly for some providers, that things are slower during working hours and[00:22:57] swyx: there's a latency argument.Yes. Not a quality argument.[00:22:59] Sarah Sachs: No. I think the quality difference that's interesting is, um, even though companies that say they're selling the same, a, it's really into like quanti quantization, but like companies that say they're selling the same model through different vendors, whether it be through first party or Bedrock, Azure, et cetera.We do see different qualities sometimes, and that's not necessarily what's advertised.[00:23:21] swyx: Yeah. Kidney went to the point of like, if we, they shipped like this, like eval across all the providers and it was like very obvious we were secret equalizing and it was very,[00:23:28] Sarah Sachs: yeah. But[00:23:29] swyx: that's very embarrassing.[00:23:30] Sarah Sachs: You know, um, we hire Subprocess to figure that out for us.So we just wanna understand where it's regressing or where it's optimized. And sometimes we're okay with regressions that optimize latency if they're the appropriate regressions. Our job is to make sure we have the evals to understand the changes that are important to us. And even like when we're partnering with labs on pre-releasees of models, they'll send us multiple snapshots.And this is less about quantization, but more just regressions. Like they have shipped models that were not the snapshots that we wanted, and they have changed the snapshots that they shipped based on the feedback that we give. Because our feedback tends to be more enterprise work focused and not coding agent focused.And definitely those can be bummers, like, you know, uh, we know that this wasn't the version you wanted, but we'll help you make it work. I mean, we always make it work, but that definitely happens.[00:24:16] Alsesio: Yeah. Do you have, um, failing evals that you're just hoping, oh, that will have success eventually when a good model comes out?[00:24:23] Sarah Sachs: Uh, I mean, yeah. So I think. I mean, I could talk about this for 60 minutes, so I will limit myself. I think it's a real issue when people say evals and it's just like, that's quality, that's like unit, I mean, it's like saying testing. It's not just unit tests, right? So. We have the equivalent of unit test.Regression test. Those live in ci, those have to pass a certain percent, you know, within some stochastic error rate. Then we have, as you're building a product, evals of these aren't passing right now, and this is launch quality. So we have a report card and we need to, on these categories, you know, be it 80 or 90% of all of these user journeys to launch, and then what we have what we call frontier or headroom evals, where we actively wanna be at 30% pass rate.And that's actually been a effort that we took in partnership with philanthropic and OpenAI in the past maybe two or three months, because we actually hit a point where our evals were saturated and we weren't able to really give insightful feedback other than it wasn't worse. And not only is that not helpful for our partners, it's not helpful for us to understand where the stream is going.You know, going back to that analogy. And so we spent a lot of time thinking about. What notions last exam looks like, right? Mm-hmm. Not just humanities, last exam. Ooh, notions last exam. Mm-hmm. And, um, there's a lot of, you know, dreams about what that would look like. I know we've talked a lot about benchmarking, um, swix, but, uh, yeah.Notions last exam is a big thing inside the company and we have people, full-time staff to it exclusively. Mm. We have a data scientist, a model behavior engineer, and an full-time, um, evals engineer just dedicated to the evals that we pass 30% of the time.[00:25:56] swyx: What you're hiring for[00:25:57] Sarah Sachs: MBEs? I am hiring[00:25:58] swyx: What is an MBEA[00:25:59] Sarah Sachs: model?Behavior Engineer Model. Behavior engineers started with a title data specialist before I joined when they were working with Simon on like, uh, Google Sheets and like Simon just needed someone to look through Google Sheets and say, yes, no, this looks bad. This looks good. Right? And so we hired people with kind of diverse linguistics background.We had like a linguistics PhD dropout. Mm-hmm. And a Stanford ate new grad. And they're amazing. And they formed a new function basically. And over time we've built a whole team, um, with a manager who's now kind of reinventing what that role is with coding agents. So they used to be kind of manually inspecting code.Now they're primarily building agents that can write evals for themselves or LLM judges. There's a really funny day I can send you the picture where Simon, about a year and a half ago, was teaching them how to use GitHub. Um, and they're on the whiteboard and it was like, okay, I think it would be so much faster if our data specialists learned how to use GitHub and like learned how to commit these things in Dakota.And, and that was then and now I think, you know, coding has been a lot more accessible. Um, but moving forward it's this mix of like data scientist PM and prompt engineer because there's craft in understanding like even like what models can and can't do things. How do we define like that headroom? How do we define like what a good journey is?Um, is this model better or not? Why is this failing? There's some qualitative work, but then there's also like a lot of instinct and taste to it, and that's not necessarily software engineering. And so we have like very firm conviction and we have had for a number of years now that that is its own career path and we have always welcomed the misfits, so to speak.So we really firmly believe that you don't need an engineering background to be the best at this job. And that's what's quite unique about this particular role.[00:27:37] Simon Last: Yeah, this is something that I've been pretty excited about recently is we made an effort basically to treat the eval system as like an agent harness.So if you think about it, like, you know, you should be able to have an agent end-to-end, download a dataset, run an eval, iterate on a failure, debug, and, and then implement a fix. And ultimately you should be able to, you know, drive the full time process with a human sort of observing the, you know, the outer uh, system.So yeah, we went, went pretty hard on that. And that's, that's worked extremely well so far. It's like basically just to turn it into a coding agent, uh, uh, problem.[00:28:11] swyx: Your coding agent or just whatever[00:28:13] Simon Last: harness No coding agent. Yeah, code, cloud code. It should be totally general. Yeah. I think if it would be a mistake to like, like fix it on any, any particular coding agent.At the end of the day, it's just like CLI tools.[00:28:21] Sarah Sachs: It's like the same way that you would've a coding agent write the unit test. You should have a coding agent write the eval.[00:28:26] swyx: Yeah.[00:28:26] Sarah Sachs: But there's a lot of supervision in that still. We just don't believe that supervision has to come from software engineers because a lot of it is like, um, kind of you XREE and whatever, and these are the people that also triage failures and tell us where we should be investing next.[00:28:40] swyx: Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and ask a spicy question. Is there a data, there are no software engineers at Notion.[00:28:46] Simon Last: Um,[00:28:46] Sarah Sachs: what does it mean to be a software engineer?[00:28:47] swyx: Exactly.[00:28:48] Simon Last: I mean, I think the way things are going is like we're on some continuum where. If, if you look back three years ago, humans were typing all the code and then we had auto complete, you're typing list of the code.Then we had sort of like filling agents, filling lines, and now we're getting into like agents doing longer range tasks where you can debug and implement a fix and then verify it works and you know, get your, get your PR even like, like Merion deployed. I think we're sort of just moving up the abstraction ladder and then the human role becomes more about observing and maintaining the outer system.There's a string of agents flowing through, like me prs what's going off the rails. Like what do I need to approve? Is there like a learning or memory mechanism that that works? So it's kind of a hard engineering problem. There's a, you know, there's, there's a lot to do there. I think we're just sort of moving up stack[00:29:34] Sarah Sachs: the same transition machine learning engineers have made, right?Like I haven't looked at a PR curve in a while.[00:29:39] swyx: Yeah. You used to do this stuff and now, um, auto research can do it,[00:29:42] Sarah Sachs: right? Like I think it depends on what you define as a software engineer.[00:29:46] swyx: Yes. It's, that's changing for sure.[00:29:49] Sarah Sachs: I think every software engineer in notion this summer went through like this, um, sheer, um, one of our engineering leads of the company called it, like every software engineer is going through the, the, uh, identity crisis that every manager goes through, where all of a sudden they realize their ability to write code is less important than their ability to delegate in context switch.And I think that is a transition out of being a software engineer. But[00:30:12] Simon Last: yeah. Yeah, there's a critical difference to being a manager, which is that like, it is actually very deeply technical. The problem, you know, humans are very like, like, like fuzzy and you can't like treat a team of humans like a, like a rigorous system where like, you know, prs like, like flow through and can be in like a block status and then what happens when they're blocked, right.With a set of agents, you actually can do that. And, and, and I think it's actually, there's a lot of interesting technical rigor that that goes into that it's like it's a technical design problem. Ultimately.[00:30:42] Alsesio: What is the design of the software factory that you're building?[00:30:46] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think we're. Trying a lot of different things.I mean, ultimately you want to design a system that requires as little human intervention as possible, but like still maintaining the in variance that, that you care about. So yeah, we're exploring a lot different ideas there. I mean, I think I could talk about a few things I think are important there.Like, one thing I think is really important is, um, having some kind of like specification layer you can just commit marked on files. Mm-hmm. That works pretty well, but[00:31:15] swyx: it's nice to be notion man. I'm just saying like the spec, like Yeah. The natural home for specs is notion.[00:31:21] Simon Last: Yeah. Right. It can be a database of pages.Yeah. I mean, it needs to be something that is, you know, human readable and I viewable and I think that's pretty key. Another really key component is like the, the self verification loop. Yes. You need really, really good testing layers, basically. And that's a really deep, uh, uh, problem. But by getting that right, you know, and then, and then it's kinda like the workflow of like.What happens when there's a bug? How does it flow into the system? Like, is it like a subagent working on it? How does it make a PR and how does that get reviewed? And me, and then, you know, so there's like the, the flow or process.[00:31:56] swyx: Yeah. Cool. Uh, you know, one thing we did work out before you guys came in was this demo or this[00:32:01] Simon Last: agents[00:32:02] swyx: agent demo.Uh,[00:32:03] Simon Last: so every,[00:32:04] Alsesio: every time we do an episode, we try the product. Right. I don't think there's ever been an episode that I haven't tried. Yeah. Um,[00:32:11] swyx: and we, we try, try is a, a big word. Like since day one lane space has been on Notion, but this is the, this is the net new thing. Yes.[00:32:18] Alsesio: So this is for Nel Labs, which is the space we're in.So next week we're opening applications for tenants. So there's a web form, let me, we got this form done here. Uh, so, uh, before. Uh, the workflow would be I get an email, then I look at the person. It was like, should I spend time talking to this person? Then I respond, they respond back. So I build this. So the name it came up for on its own.Can you maybe h how do, how does it come up with its own name?[00:32:43] Simon Last: Yeah, that's a pretty app name. It's, it, it is just a random, it's a random, a name generator.[00:32:47] Alsesio: Oh, that's funny. It just came,[00:32:49] Simon Last: the fact that it picked that is, is kind of hilarious. I'm pretty sure it's just determined,[00:32:54] Sarah Sachs: resilient collector. I, I think I've never looked at the code for that.I've never second guessed it. I think it's kind of like a madlib situation.[00:33:00] Simon Last: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. It's, it's totally a, a deterministic. Oh, I thought it was great. Yes. Although, although when the, if you use the AI to set itself up, it can update its own name, so. Okay. Um,[00:33:11] Sarah Sachs: how did you create it? It, did you just do[00:33:12] Alsesio: classroom?I,[00:33:13] Sarah Sachs: okay.[00:33:13] Alsesio: I did, yeah. I'll say just check my inbox for applications for a coworking space. Keep a people, so it created the database for me. Which I have here. And I guess database is like an notion table because everything is notion. Um, and then whenever um, an email comes in, like here, it just creates a new role for the person.Mm-hmm. And then it uses web search to enrich the mm-hmm. The profile. So it kind of like searches the web and it's like, this is who this person is, this is when they say they wanna move in and kind of updates everything else. This is, I mean, it's not a GI, but to me, I don't wanna do this work. So it feels like, I mean, it took me maybe like 15 minutes to set up the whole thing.Um, and I really like that most of the information should live here. You know, it is not like some other tool asking me[00:34:01] Sarah Sachs: Yeah.[00:34:01] Alsesio: To like, bring my stuff there. It's like I would've probably already created an ocean thing.[00:34:06] Sarah Sachs: Mm-hmm.[00:34:06] Alsesio: So[00:34:07] Sarah Sachs: most of our biggest use cases and gains are from. That extra layer of human involvement in the process to make it so right.And so like one of our biggest use cases is bug triaging. So if someone posts something in Slack, can you just have a custom agent that lives there that has its own routing constitution of what team this belongs to, creates a task in your task database and then posts in that Slack channel, right? Like that's like one of the first things that we built internally, I think.And it's completely changed the way that notion functions as a company. Nothing falls through, well, most things don't fall through the crack. We don't know what we don't know. But it's not replacing people, it's replacing processes.[00:34:44] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:34:44] Sarah Sachs: Right.[00:34:45] Alsesio: And I'm curious how you think about composability of these things.So the other one I was working on is like a. These filler. So whenever somebody signs up as a tenant, kind of he'll sell the lease for them. There should probably some agent that is like office manager agent mm-hmm. That can handle the request, make the lease, and then, uh, give them a ADA access to the office and all of that.How do you think about that feature?[00:35:08] Simon Last: Yeah, so I mean, there's, there's two ways you can compose. One way is by using like the data primitives. So you can, you know, you, you could give, you have one agent, uh, be writing to the database and there's another agent that's walked in the database. So that's, that's one way that they, they can coordinate that's like a little bit more decoupled and mm-hmm.Works really well. Or you, you can couple them. So I, I think it's actually not released yet. Releasing it like next week is, uh, in the settings for an agent, you can give access to invoke any other agent.[00:35:34] swyx: Hmm.[00:35:34] Simon Last: So you can have them just. Just, uh, uh, talk directly. So[00:35:37] swyx: you, was there a limit on like, number of recursions or just,[00:35:40] Simon Last: um, probably,[00:35:42] swyx: you know what I mean?Like, you can just get an infinite loop that way there's[00:35:45] Simon Last: some kind of Yeah,[00:35:46] Sarah Sachs: I think it's, there is actually a number somewhere.[00:35:49] swyx: I believe I'm just, you know, like, you're, you're, someone's gonna screw up. You[00:35:51] Simon Last: should you try to see[00:35:53] swyx: Yeah. I mean, everything's gonna be paperclips.[00:35:55] Simon Last: Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but, but that's really useful.Yeah. So we, you know, like I just, I, I helped, uh, someone internally the other day, they had, they had built like over 30 custom agents for, uh, for our go to market team doing all kinds of different things. You know, for example, like researching, you know, like, like filling information about, about a customer or like, like triaging customer feedback or like, uh, something like that.Literally over 30 of them. And, and then he, and then he even made like a database of all the agents and then he is like, okay, and, and now I'm getting 70, over 70 notifications per day with just the agents are blocked on various things. Uh, and then I was like, oh, okay, cool. You know, the obvious thing to do there is to make a manager agent,[00:36:32] Sarah Sachs: right?[00:36:33] Simon Last: That's gonna sort of blocks be another abstraction layer in between your, your, uh, uh, 30 agents. Uh, so yeah, we, we send out with like a manager agent and then has access to invoke all the other agents and it's sort of like, like watching and observing them and then it sort of, it just creates a layer of abstraction.So instead of 70 notifications per day, it's like, like five. And then, and then the manager agent can help like, uh, debug and fix any problems with the,[00:36:54] swyx: does this is a concept of like an inbox or something like piece, you're basically saying that they can message each other?[00:37:00] Simon Last: Yeah.[00:37:01] Sarah Sachs: Well[00:37:01] swyx: they use the system of record, which, which is[00:37:02] Sarah Sachs: notion, so we[00:37:03] Simon Last: actually, yeah, we didn't make any special concepts at all.[00:37:06] swyx: They're interested to the motion notifications that I would've got,[00:37:09] Sarah Sachs: they can just like write a task to a database that the other agent's task to listening to, or they can actually call a web book to the agent, like they can just add the agent. Okay.[00:37:17] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, this is something that, that we're still working on.I, I think we, you know, like, like generally, generally the way we do these things is, you know, you first make it possible, maybe like a sort of janky way. So I, I, I think the way I set ‘em up is like, you know, we created like a new database that was sort of like issues mm-hmm. That the custom agents were, were experiencing, and then gave them all access to file an issue and then the manager has access to, to read the issues.Um, and that works pretty well, essentially like, like give it its own like internal issue tracker just for the agents. And then, you know, if that becomes a, a concept that seems useful, generally maybe we will think of how to package it in. But I mean, generally we try to just keep it to composing the primitive if we can.You know, another example of this is we have no built-in memory concept. Memory is, is just pages and databases. And so if you wanna give a memory, just give it a page and give it. Edit access to that page and the[00:38:03] swyx: human can edit it. Agent can edit[00:38:04] Simon Last: it. Yeah. And so that works, that pattern works extremely well on it.And you know, depending this case, you can have it be just a page or it could be an entire database with, you know, or, you know, I can have sub pages is is pretty on what you can do with that.[00:38:15] Alsesio: So when I was setting this up, uh, I connected my inbox and it was like, do you wanna use Gmail or Notion Mail? And I'm like, I don't wanna use Eater, I just want you to do it.I'm curious how you think about, you know, notion, mail, notion, calendar, all of these kind of ui ux interfaces, full stack[00:38:29] Simon Last: notion.[00:38:30] Alsesio: Yeah. When like at the same time you have the agents abstracting them away from you in a way, you know, how do you spend like the product calories so to speak?[00:38:37] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty important that you don't have to use, not your mail to connect to the mail capability.So we can just connect to Gmail or, or whatever you want, uh, to use. And we're thinking of the mail service as being really great to the extent that it's really agent built, right? So maybe the mail app is just sort of a prepackaged agent that helps you automate your, your inbox.[00:39:00] Alsesio: Yeah, the auto labeling is great.Think[00:39:03] Sarah Sachs: the, when we, um, integrate with Gmail for instance, we have a series of tools available that are available via MCP or API to Gmail. When we integrate with Notion Mail, we have the Notion Mail engineering team to build us the, um, exact right tools that optimize latency, optimize performance and quality.They own that quality. Um, there's product leads there. They're directly thinking about the user problems that happen in mail. So it tends to be when we build integrations and connections, we build natively first. Um, and then think about, um, extending them generally just because it's also easier. Mm-hmm. Um, um, to build natively first.Um, so that tends to be how we phase things out.[00:39:43] swyx: Talking about integrations, you prompted me, so I gotta ask. M-C-P-C-L-I. What's going on? What's the[00:39:48] Simon Last: Yeah. Opinion. I think, I mean, I'm, I'm definitely bullish and excited about cli. I think there's a few really cool things about cli. So one really cool thing is like, um, is that it's in the terminal environment, so it gets a bunch of extra power.So it, you know, for example, it can like, like paginating and cursor through like long outputs. Um, and it has a progressive disclosure inherently. Uh, so, you know, you don't see all the tools at once. It's just, you see the CLI wrapper and you can like use the, the help commands and, and, and read files. And then I think the most important thing that's, that's super cool is that there, it's also inherently a, a bootstrapped.So if there's an issue, uh, the agent can debug and fix itself within the same environment that it uses the tool.[00:40:30] swyx: Mm.[00:40:30] Simon Last: Right. Like, you know, I think I saw a tweet this morning. Someone said, you know, my agent didn't have a browser, so I asked it to make all a browser tool and within a hundred lines of code, it gave itself a little browser, like, like wrapping the, the, the chromium API, um.That's pretty incredible. And then if there was a bug, it would just immediately try to fix it. Mm-hmm. Right. On the other hand, if you use an, you know, if you use like of, of the Chrome dev tools, MCP, I've had this issue where like, like sometimes the transport gets like messed up. If it gets messed up, the agent has no way to fix itself.It, it no longer has a browser, it's, it's not broken. Right. I think that's, that's pretty fundamental, but I would say like a lot of the, the bad things about it can be fixed. Uh, so I think like, as a progressive disclosure, that can be fixed with, with right harness. Like, it, it obviously doesn't make sense to show it all the tools all the time.That's not really inherent to the MCP protocol. It's just like how you wrap it and use it.[00:41:16] swyx: There's many poorly built MCPs because we didn't know.[00:41:19] Simon Last: Yeah, yeah. I mean it was just early, like, like the obvious thing is, uh, you know, to start with is, is to just show it all the tools and it's like, okay, now we have a hundred tools.Yeah. And like the tool calling actually works. So let's of[00:41:28] swyx: your success[00:41:29] Simon Last: give it a way to like, like filter to source the tools. So yeah, I would say like broadly speaking, I'm really bullish on cli. I'm still bullish on CPS and in a certain environment. I think in, in particular, CP is really great for when you want sort of like a narrow, lightweight agent.I think there's, there's definitely a lot of use cases where, where you don't want like a full coding agent with a compute run time. And also you want it to be like more tightly permissioned. MCP inherently has a really strong permission model, like all you can do is call the tools. A CLI is a little bit murkier.It's like, can I access the, if PI token are you, like, properly sort of like re-encrypt the token so it can't like exfiltrate it, it introduce a lot of like, like new issues, which are. Real and hard to solve. And MCP is just like the dumb simple thing that works and it that it's pretty good.[00:42:12] Sarah Sachs: I'll add two more perspectives, not from it working well for Notion, but how notion like commits to both platforms.Notion is dedicated to being the best system of record for where people do their enterprise work. So we will always support our MCP and so far as other people are using cps, right? So regardless of our perspective, we've put a lot of effort into our MCP and we have a fantastic team that we're building, um, to do more there.And the second thing I'll say, I think, um, we all think a lot, but lately I've been thinking a lot about making sure there's a value alignment and pricing, um, with capability.[00:42:43] swyx: Literally our next question[00:42:44] Sarah Sachs: and. Needing language to execute deterministic tasks feels wasteful and requiring on a language model to interface with third party providers seems wasteful for tasks that don't require it.And particularly because our custom agents are using usage-based pricing. We think of pricing as like the barrier of entry for use of our product, and we're quite committed to making sure that it's not wasteful. Um, not just because it's a bad deal for our customers, but it's also bad business. We wanna have as many buyers, like there's a, there's an elasticity of demand and so if we can have our agents properly execute code that calls on CLI deterministically, it's a one-time cost, right?Versus constantly having a language model integrate with an MCP over and over and over and paying those like repeated token fees and it's happening outside the cash window, then you're paying for it over and over and over and it's just kind of unnecessary and less deterministic when it doesn't have to be.[00:43:36] Alessio: Yeah, the open-endedness I think is like, the main thing is like, well, if I go write code to just call an API, I would never use an MCP. But then you need an NCP sometimes when you know what to call, but you don't want it to restart versus like, I think the it built a browser from scratch is like, it's great when you're doing it on your own, but like if your customers were having your AI write a browser from scratch every time and you had to pay the token cost of that, yeah.You'd be like, no, no. The Chrome dev tools CP is actually pretty great. Just use that. I'm curious, how do you make that decision? Like should it be. Just straight API call very narrow. Should it be an MCP? Should it be super open-ended?[00:44:10] Sarah Sachs: Do you mean for when we ship notion capabilities or when we add capabilities to[00:44:13] Alessio: notion[00:44:14] Sarah Sachs: AI or,[00:44:14] Alessio: I mean, you might have a capability that the only way to do is an open-ended agent, like an agent with a coding sandbox.[00:44:21] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. In Notion ai they're not explicit, not We also ship an MCP.[00:44:24] Alsesio: Yeah. Yeah. In B,[00:44:25] Sarah Sachs: yeah.[00:44:26] Alsesio: Internally. Okay. Like is there ever a discussion of like, we're not gonna ship it because we're not able to tie it down? Or are you happy to just like,[00:44:33] Sarah Sachs: um, no. I mean, there are a lot of things where we choose not to use MCP because we wanna add more high touch to quality.I think search an agent to find is like the largest instance of that, where we have. Um, slack and linear and Jira search and notion that is not using necessarily the search MCP functionality that is provided by those companies. And that's because it's quite critical we think, to how our agent trajectories work is for us to have a little bit more control on the functionality of the search journey.And so it usually comes from quality and there's a long tail of things and that's why we built an MCP client or an MCP server, excuse me, so that people can connect whatever they want. There's that long tail, right. But we, for search particularly, I would say that's like the primary entry point, but there are other connections as well that it's a little bit of secret sauce a

Björn Embrén, Honorary Doctor of Agricultural Sciences at the Faculty of Landscape Architecture, Horticulture and Crop Production Science at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences, discusses his technique, the “Stockholm tree pit” method, for establishing planting beds has completely transformed how to sustain these essential urban trees in paved-over urban spaces. Planet Philadelphia airs on 92.9 FM in NW Philadelphia & gtownradio.com, 4-5:00 PM ET the 1st & 3rd Friday/month. Support Planet Philadelphia environmental radio show and Gtown Radio at https://gtownradio.com/donate/.

En nuestro programa hoy hablamos de Finados; diferentes eventos en los municipios de Canarias nos llevan a seguir celebrando y respetando nuestras tradiciones. Laura Álvarez de Filigrana nos cuenta sobre el espectáculo A LAS ALMAS, por otro lado José Chavez, de la Agrupación Folclórica Oroval nos habla de REZOS Y PLEGARIAS en La Orotava y desde Fuerteventura la Agrupación Folclórica Tetir presenta unas Jornadas Culturales celebrando los 50 años de los compañeros de la Agrupación Folclórica Echentive de La Palma. Por otro lado en Lanzarote se presenta el Libro Repertorio Musical Tradicional de Lanzarote y La Graciosa, un trabajo de investigación de Benito Cabrera y Pablo Díaz que nos lleva a destacar la celebración de los 60 años de Los Campesinos y muchas cosas más. Además en Tegueste el Grupo Teguaco nos trae Embrújame al Teatro Príncipe Felipe y como cada semana nos vamos escena con Zálatta Teatro, todo en La Diez Capital Radio con Joam Walo "poniendo lo canario más de moda que nunca y apostando por lo nuestro" #origenes #programaorigenes #ladiezradio #joamwalo

Comenzamos temporada conectando a través de La Diez Capital Radio con Capital Radio en Gran Canaria, crecemos un poquito más... hoy hablamos con Don Miguel Ángel Clavijo, Director General de Cultura y Patrimonio Cultural del Gobierno de Canarias. Por otro lado, la Agrupación Folclórica Teguaco desde Tegueste, nos invita a "Embrújame". Iremos a Valsequillo en Gran Canaria con la 19ª Edición del Festival Internacional de Payasos y hablaremos con "Chincheta". Estamos inmersos en la celebración de la Virgen de Abona y desde Arico, Agustín Tejera, Concejal de Cultura nos habla de ello y no podía faltar la Celebración de la Virgen del Socorro en Güímar, por lo que David Román Escobar, nos invita a celebrarla. Israel Espino, Director de Los Sabandeños conversa con nosotros sobre 47 años celebrando el Festival Sabandeño en el Marco de las Fiestas del Cristo y desde Teror en Gran Canaria, la celebración de las Fiestas del Pino marcan el mes de septiembre, hablamos con Angharad Quintana, Concejala de Festejos del Ayuntamiento de Teror; y como cada semana nos vamos a escena con Zálatta Teatro y sus propuestas culturales, todo en ORIGENES "poniendo lo canario más de moda que nunca y apostando por lo nuestro" #ladiezradio #capitalradiogc #origenes #programaorigenes #joamwalo

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Conheça o método SGR através do grupo exclusivo: https://lvnt.app/evowa8 Título/Thumb 21/10/24: Bolsa -0,11%, EMBR 4%, HAPV -3%, Dólar R$ 5,69 Olá, seja bem-vindo a mais um Fechamento de Mercado, comigo Flávio Conde, e hoje é segunda, dia 18 de outubro, e o programa de hoje é ao Wallace, Guilherme e Fabíola do Sala VIP. Ah e quem não assistiu ainda o Mata-Mata de Keple, assista por está imperdível. O Ibovespa fechou em leve queda de -0,11%, aos 130.362 pontos, com volume muito de R$ 18 bi, R$ 2 bi abaixo da média de R$ 20 bi das segundas. Por que a Bolsa performou assim? 1º. A bolsa abriu em alta e atingiu a máxima aos 131,1 mil pontos, às 10h10, mas não resistiu e foi caindo até negativar, às 11h25, e operar perto da estabilidade durante a tarde e fechar a 130.362 pontos. No Brasil, o dólar abriu subindo até R$ 5,73, mas foi cedendo ao longo do dia. Os juros avançaram junto e o Tesouro IPCA 2029 bateu +6,75% a.a., patamar só visto anteriormente em crises. Tanto é verdade que a alta de 1,5% do minério não foi suficiente para as ações da VALE3 -0,36% fecharem em alta, mas sim em -0,36%, e a alta do petróleo de 1,3% não animou investidores a comprar as ações de PETR4 -1,5% e PRIO3 -0,62%. Minha conclusão é a mesma de Hamlet, na peça de Shakespeare: “Há algo de podre no reino da Dinamarca” na minha cabeça em Brasília. 2º. Na B3, apenas 5 ações subiram entre as 15 ações mais negociadas: HYPE3 +1,9% com suposta proposta de fusão com EMS, SUZB3 1% dólar, EMBR3 4% entregou 16 aeronaves abaixo dos 19 do guidances, mas crescendo, ELET3 1%, B3SA3 1,9% 3º. Já 10 ações caíram entre as mais negociadas com destaques para: VALE3 -0,36%, PETR4 -1,5%, BBAS3 -0,26%, RAIL3 -0,20%, WEGE3 -0,33%, ITUB4 -0,5%, BBDC4 -0,26%, PRIO3 -0,6% e HAPV3 -3%. 4º. O preço do petróleo subiu 1,4%, a US$ 74,1 de US$ 73,14, sexta, dentro do limite da volatilidade diária de -/+2%, em função de novos estímulos monetários na China com a taxa dos empréstimos de 1 ano sendo reduzido para 3,10% de 3,35% e 5 anos para 3,60% de 3,85% a.a.. 5º. O minério de ferro subiu 1,5% para US$ 108,35 de US$ 107 por tonelada, sexta, em função de novos estímulos monetários na China 6º. As bolsas americanas foram mista, 0,30% o Nasdaq e -0,80% o Dow, com investidores um pouco mais receosos em função de discursos de diretores de Fed defendendo menor ritmo de corte de juros, de 0,50% para 0,25%. Porém, isso não é novidade e teria sido uma desculpa para realizar lucros da semana passada. Já o Nasdaq foi suportado pelas ações da Nvidia, que subiram 4%, na expectativa da divulgação dos resultados das big tech no 3T24 que devem começar essa semana e continuar na próxima. 7º. O dólar à vista recuou 1 centavo para R$ 5,69 de R$ 5,70, sexta, com investidores incialmente preocupados com as projeções de economistas consultados pelo Focus, mais de 150, que aumentaram as projeções de IPCA em 2024 para 4,50% de 4,39%, na semana passada, no limite superior da meta de inflação, 3% +/- 1,5%. 8º. O saldo de investimentos estrangeiros no mercado secundário da Bovespa, de ações já em circulação, ficou negativo em R$ 580 milhões na quinta-feira, 17 de outubro, conforme dados da B3. No mês de outubro, o saldo acumulado pelos estrangeiros está negativo em R$ 2,6 bilhões. No ano, os estrangeiros tiraram da Bovespa R$ 23,0 bilhões. Os estrangeiros respondem por 58,30% do volume negociado em outubro e por 55,20% do volume no ano. MAIORES ALTAS EMBR3 +4.17% R$ 49,98 VAMO3 +4.13% R$ 6,05 MGLU3 +2.87% R$ 9,67 YDUQ3 +2.54% R$ 10,50 USIM5 +2.45% R$ 6,27 MAIORES BAIXAS HAPV3 -2.93% R$ 3,65 PETR3 -1.83% R$ 39,63 NTCO3 -1.68% R$ 14,64 PETR4 -1.57% R$ 36,25 AURE3 -1.35% R$ 10,26 Conheça a Levante Investimentos: Conheça nossas *Séries de Investimentos*: https://lvnt.app/4q3u3b Acompanhe nosso Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/levante.investimentos/ Fique ligado nas principais notícas do mercado no nosso canal no Telegram: https://lvnt.app/zuntm0

Conheça o método SGR através do grupo exclusivo: https://lvnt.app/evowa8 16/10 - Bolsa 0,54%, EMBR 6% e LWSA -2%, Dólar R$ 5,66 Olá, seja bem-vindo a mais um Fechamento de Mercado, comigo Flávio Conde e Ricardo Afonso, hoje é quarta-feira, dia 16 de outubro, e o programa de hoje é dedicado a Carson, Helio Caruso, Sergio Santos, Sarkis e Nicoletti. O Ibovespa fechou em leve alta de 0,54%, aos 131.750pontos, com volume muito de R$ 52 bi, R$ 27 bi acima da média de R$ 25 bi das quartas, por conta do vencimento de ídice Bovespa hoje. Por que a Bolsa performou assim? 1º. A bolsa abriu e oscilou até às 11h40 entre positivo e negativo para em seguida atingir a máxima 132,2 mil, às 14h40, e começar a ceder aos poucos até fechar em 131.750 pontos. No exterior, o dia começou sem novidades com bolsas de lado, petróleo perto da estabilidade e queda de -1% do minério. No Brasil, as ações mais negociadas se dividiram entre altas e baixas com exportadoras subindo dos R$ 5,66 do dólar. 2º. Na B3, 8 ações subiram entre as 15 ações mais negociadas com destaques para: VALE3 1,9% R$ 62,34, BBAS3 1,1% R$ 26,76, WEGE3 1,1% R$ 57,19 e SBSP3 1% R$ 92. Já 7 ações caíram entre as mais negociadas com destaques para: ITUB4 -0,60%, PETR4 -0,50%, BBDC4 -0,30% e PRIO3 -1,2%. 3º. O preço do petróleo fechou quase estável, -0,2%, a US$ 74,4 de US$ 74,7, ontem, dentro do limite da volatilidade diária de -/+2%, e sem novidades. 4º. O minério de ferro caiu mais um pouco e voltou para US$ 110 de US$ 111 por tonelada, ontem, e sem novidades. 5º. As bolsas americanas subiram, 0,28% o Nasdaq e 0,79% o Dow, com investidores mais animados com os resultados dos bancos depois que o Morgan Stanley com lucro acima do esperado, mas ações de tecnologia subiram menos porque as ações de fabricantes de chips recuaram novamente por conta da redução do guidance de vendas de chips para 2025 pela ASML, cia. holandesa. 6º. O dólar à vista ficou estável em R$ 5,66 com investidores à espera de algum corte de despesas pelo governo federal. 7º. Nos EUA, os juros dos títulos de 10-anos caíram um pouco para 4,02% a.a. ante 4,04% a.a., ontem, e sem novidades. No Brasil, as taxas de juros do títulos do Tesouro Nacional voltaram a subir com os juros do Prefixado 2031 indo de 12,74% para 12,85% a.a. com investidores ainda céticos quanto as contas públicas do governo federal. 8º. O saldo de investimentos estrangeiros no mercado secundário da Bovespa, de ações já em circulação, ficou negativo em R$ 3,3 bilhões na segunda-feira, 14 de outubro, conforme dados da B3, em função de oferta pública subsequente (follow-on) da ENEVA. No mês de outubro, o saldo acumulado pelos estrangeiros está negativo em R$ 240 milhões e Ibovespa -0,5%. No ano, os estrangeiros tiraram da Bovespa R$ 26,7 bilhões. Os estrangeiros respondem por 57,90% do volume negociado em outubro e por 55,20% do volume no ano. MAIORES ALTAS EMBR3 +6.74% R$ 48,77 AZUL4 +3.91% R$ 6,11 VAMO3 +3.88% R$ 5,89 YDUQ3 +3.22% R$ 10,58 COGN3 +2.96% R$ 1,39 MAIORES BAIXAS LWSA3 -2.25% R$ 4,35 IRBR3 -1.66% R$ 43,27 AZZA3 -1.59% R$ 41,36 ELET3 -1.50% R$ 38,12 HYPE3 -1.40% R$ 26,76 Conheça a Levante Investimentos: Conheça nossas *Séries de Investimentos*: https://lvnt.app/4q3u3b Acompanhe nosso Instagram:   / levante.investimentos   Fique ligado nas principais notícas do mercado no nosso canal no Telegram: https://lvnt.app/zuntm0

Embrace The Sickness with another Anointing The Sick Show hosted by  Halo of the Goat Radio. Opening with the black metal sci fi sound of Imperialist and closing with a slab of Swedish post sludge from Gloson.The showpiece track is a 17 minute funeral death/doom dirge from Bereft (WI) while the Doom Charts is represented by EMBR and Warcoe This weeks delve into the Filth Pit has hawked up a track from SkinlessCower In Fear fromImperialistStrigampireInfernal ExecratorBloodshot BANDEMBR                               December 2023 Doom ChartsBereft (WI)Warcoe                           Doom Charts top 100 albums (2023) Imperial SlaveCrossfireDistarticaGulaHellfrostWhite TundraViolescentSkinlessGlosonAnointing The Sick plays on Halo of the Goat Radio @ 2pm mst/3pm cst/4pm est 9pm uk listen hereListen here: haloofthegoatradio.com or listen on our free phone app: https://onlineradiobox.com/us/haloofthegoat/

S10E262:Bobbitt & Spaghetti Hoops Bobbitt back in the news, poison pens, food from our childhoods, 'strange' family traditions, dirty Dan drowning, new package thief protection, and heavy metal for your filthy earballs. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:00:57) - Blasphemer, SONG: Death by Cremation (00:04:03) - Paro, SONG: II (00:08:26) - Conversation 1 (00:14:52) - Impending Annihilation, SONG: Rapidly Destructive Coxarthropathy (00:16:52) - Couch Slut, SONG: The Donkey (00:22:05) - Conversation 2 (00:35:13) - EMBR and THRUMM, SONG: Albatross (COC Cover) (00:40:40) - Threnomancy, SONG: Cold Wind of Solitude (00:45:13) - The Order of the Precious Blood, SONG: Black Hole (00:47:33) - Conversation 3 (00:55:17) - Grandma's Pantry: Thorns of the Carrion, SONG: The Tragedy of Melpomene (01:00:10) - Conversation 4 (01:08:06) - Nokturnal Frost, SONG: Alchemy of the Soul (01:13:36) - Al-Namrood, SONG: Lisan Al Nar Labels: Gore House Productions, Black Doomba Records, Brutal Panda Records, Shaytan Productions

THE DOOMED & STONED SHOW ~Season 10, Episode 3~ We're doing a retrospective on the winter releases of 2023-24, as featured on the Doom Charts, and there's so much good music to discover for fans of heavy rock and doom metal. Part I in a three-part series, hosted by Billy Goate (Doomed & Stoned) and John Gist (Vegas Rock Revolution). PLAYLIST: INTRO (00:00) 1. Josiah - "rehctaW" (00:31) HOST SEGMENT I (05:18) 2. We Are Space Horses - "Stale Skies" (19:04) 3. Ball - "rocks" (24:15) 4. Mama Doom - "Ring The Bell" (27:58) HOST SEGMENT II (31:29) 5. Dune Pilot - "Visions" (40:57) 6. The Company Corvette - "Stupid" (45:21) 7. Aawks - "I Ran (So Far Away)" (Flock of Seagulls cover) (47:38) HOST SEGMENT III (54:05) 8. The Polvos - "Going Down" (1:03:34) 9. EMBR - "The Conflict" (1:10:32) 10. The Death Spell - "Kill In The Darkness" (1:16:20) HOST SEGMENT IV (1:20:55) 11. Hebi Katana - "The Debtor" (1:29:23) 12. Dixie Goat - "Lucky Break" (1:33:50) 13. Holy Giant - "Reincarnation of a Fallen Titan" (1:38:24) HOST SEGMENT V (1:43:40) 14. Mars Red Sky - "The Final Round" (2:08:49) 15. Nebula Drag - "Crosses" (2:15:11) 16. Warcoe - "Pyramid of Despair" (2:20:01) 17. Saturna - "into The Sun" (2:24:16) OUTRO (2:29:04) BONUS TRACKS: 18. Demons of Noon - "Coward" (2:20:13) 19. Taxi Caveman - "UGH!" (2:33:55) 20. Voidship - "Relics" (2:36:53) CREDITS: Theme Song: Dylan Tucker Thumbnail Art: The Polvos Incidental Music: Hellvetika (https://akitevlleh.bandcamp.com/)

Lighting is nearly made “truckless” again by TRX thieves, Dave Sparks releases a cringy video about the Badger pickup, and truck and SUV journalist, Tim Esterdahl, joins the show and talks about the automotive industry with the guys. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan in association with Banks Power.

In this podcast episode, Solomon Thimothy, a digital marketing expert, and Julie, an entrepreneur, delve into the intricacies of entrepreneurship, personal development, and the pivotal role of personal branding. They candidly discuss the challenges and growth opportunities within entrepreneurship, emphasizing the necessity of sales skills and relationship-building. Solomon shares insights from his podcast "Solomon's Secrets," underscoring the influence of a strong personal brand for business leaders and the importance of content creation and audience engagement. They also explore the effectiveness of email marketing and the power of authenticity in connecting with customers. Solomon advocates for a marketing-first approach to business, and Julie praises his expertise and resources for personal branding and business growth. The episode concludes with an invitation for further engagement with Solomon's work and acknowledging the value of inspiration from successfulentrepreneurs.Connect with Solomon below: https://www.youtube.com/c/Clickxiohttps://www.tiktok.com/@sthimothyhttps://www.instagram.com/thimothycom/This is an invitation to join a supportive community of purpose-driven entrepreneurs who are creating an impact in the world.A mastermind is a community of peers who exchange ideas, provide support, and offer sound advice for running a successful business.Join the Confident YOU Mastermind now at https://goconfidentlyservices.myflodesk.com/confidentyoumastermindSupport the showThank you for listening to our podcast. Please Subscribe! Download my best resources here for FREE or Visit our website Join our Facebook GroupInstagram, TikTok We love reviews! Please leave us a review.Contact us if you want to Launch, restart, grow your podcast.

On this episode of AFTERSHOCKS TV, Matt and Tom sit down with drummer Eric Bigelow from Alabama doom/sludge metal outfit EMBR. The guys get into the band's self-titled sophomore release and discuss the political leaning's that were incorporated into the album's lyrical content. Bigelow discusses the band's ability to keep their sound fresh and interesting in a musical genre that can easily sound mundane, the challenges of getting their discovered being based in Alabama, how musicians now have a second job as a marketer in the world of technology and social media and more. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cmspn/message

Saves Together Fire Safety School is in session now on your podcast player of choice! That's right we've got a fresh new eppy to blast into your brain - a [ST Quick Save] all about our time playing the first person fire fightin' game Embr. Tune in now to hear about secret grandpas, Ubr and the brand new beta test for Saves Together's Chaos-Z graphing system. Ps sorry to that duck 20 years ago.

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Το Embr είναι ένα παιχνίδι δράσης πρώτου προσώπου που αναπτύχτηκε από την Muse games και εκδόθηκε από την Curve games στις 23 Σεπτεμβρίου 2021.

INVEST IN HER with Catherine Gray Ep. 317 Innovative Wearable Tech for Women w/ CEO of Embr Labs, Elizabeth Gazda   Invest In Her host Catherine Gray talks with the CEO of Embr Labs, a Boston-based wearables company that developed the Embr Wave – a wrist-worn, personal thermostat that improves sleep, relieves anxiety and helps with hot flashes.    Prior to Embr Labs, Liz was a member of several founding teams including Doni, a fintech company, and Noteflight, a music technology company and has also worked at a number of Boston's fastest growing companies, including m-Qube (acq. Verisign) and unicorn Art Technology Group (acq. Oracle). Liz began her career with Philips Consumer Electronics in the Netherlands, where she was responsible for driving innovation in several business divisions across multiple countries. www.sheangelinvestors.com  https://embrlabs.com/   Follow Us On Social Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | LinkedIn  

What is PlayEmber? The platform is taking and sharing value from advertising and centralized (walled gardens) in web2 and bringing it into the token economy. Our token economy and platform drive player retention through a rewards-based ecosystem of our token EMBER, whilst bringing not just players but also game studios into the governance of the project via the DAO. Our platform connects players, creators ( game studios), and advertisers/brands via $EMBR all via a single mobile SDK that will be connected to billions of mobile gamers Website https://playember.com/ Linktree https://linktr.ee/playember Twitter https://twitter.com/play_ember Hugo https://twitter.com/hugofurn Jon https://twitter.com/JonHook We get into the details of web3 gaming and some of the use cases. And some philosophical conversations around web3. Ready Layer One Podcast https://readylayeronepodcast.com/ twitter.com/ready_layer_one Joe https://twitter.com/joespano_ Jared https://twitter.com/jarednotjerry1 NEAR near.org/ Aurora https://aurora.dev/ NO FINANCIAL ADVICE– The Podcast, is provided for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only, without any express or implied warranty of any kind, including warranties of accuracy, completeness, or fitness for any particular purpose. The information contained in or provided from or through this podcast and podcast is not intended to be and does not constitute financial advice, investment advice, trading advice, or any other advice. You should not make any decision, financial, investment, trading, or otherwise, based on any of the information presented on this website without undertaking independent due diligence and consultation with a professional broker or financial advisor. You understand that you are using any and all Information available on or through this podcast at your own risk. RISK STATEMENT– The trading of Bitcoins, and alternative cryptocurrencies has potential risks involved. Trading may not be suitable for all people. Anyone wishing to invest should seek his or her own independent financial or professional advice.

Furo do Teto e Haddad derrubam Bolsa e Dólar vai a R$ 5,38 Bolsa -2,6%, Nasdaq -1,5%, Dow Jones -0,2%, Dólar R$ 5,38, EMBR +10% e HAPV3 -11% Olá, seja bem-vindo a mais um Fechamento de Mercado da Levante comigo Flávio Conde, hoje é 4o. feira, dia 16/11, e o programa de hoje é dedicado ao Fabiano e Rodrigo que foram os primeiros a comentar. Ibovespa começou no positivo no futuro, mas negativou logo que o à vista abriu às 10h caindo o pregão inteiro. O motivo foi a combinação de EUA onde o Nasdaq cai -1,2% porque a Target (2a. maior varejista americana depois do Walmart) fez projeções desanimadoras de vendas para Black Fridat e Natal nos EUA. E Brasil com a incerteza fiscal (tamanho do rombo do déficit fiscal em 2023) assustando o mercado (investidores) mais a inflação de outubro em 0,59% que fez investidores brasileiros cogitarem mais um aumento de juros pelo Copom/Banco Central em janeiro. Possibilidade de Haddad ser ministro da Fazenda também influenciou negativamente os mercadod. Tudo isso, levou investidores a vender ações, principalmente, varejistas. Petrolíferas também caem porque petróleo recua quase -2%. Expectativa de mercado deu uma piorada forte... Dólar subiu bem de R$ 5,30 para R$ 5,38 o à vista e R$ 5,42 o futuro. Mais negociadas VALE3 R$ 82,44 -1,04% R$ 6,15 B PETR4 R$ 27,15 -1,98% R$ 4,04 B ITUB4 R$ 26,27 -1,42% R$ 2,44 B BBDC4 R$ 15,21 +0,32% R$ 2,1 B Destaques de alta: EMBR3 +9.33% R$ 14,30 SUZB3 +1.58% R$ 58,65 CMIN3 +1.06% R$ 3,82 BRAP4 +0.89% R$ 27,14 CCRO3 +0.70% R$ 11,58 Destaques de baixa: HAPV3 -11.72% R$ 5,65 AMER3 -10.29% R$ 11,25 BEEF3 -9.13% R$ 13,53 LWSA3 -8.21% R$ 7,71 MGLU3 -8.01% R$ 3,33 Escolha dos assinantes foi EMBRAER seguido por LOCALIZA.

We connected with Shelly Staehly, owner and designer of EMBR, a local creator offering one of a kind sling packs, purses, day packs, and more. We talk about sewing, the origin of the business, repurposing older items and clothing into new pieces and the stories that come along with it. https://www.facebook.com/embrbagsYou can find more conversations, food reviews, live music and events on our website https://lacrosselocal.com.

Mike joins us this week for a chit and a chat.  Games discussed include Hunt Showdown, Opus Magnum, GT7, Mighty Goose, EMBR, Crusader Kings 3, Despots Game : Dystopian Army Builder and Horizon Zero Dawn. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to episode 65 of the Gaming Together Podcast!By Phillip and NaveSupport us on Patreon: Gaming Together is creating A Podcast, and Gaming Videos | PatreonTo get in touch with your feedback, comments or questions please DM us on Twitter @GameTogetherPod or email gamingtogetherpod@gmail.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwri7EFyEA2ajpjsOt7_u3wTwitch:https://www.twitch.tv/gamingtogetherpodFaceBook:https://www.facebook.com/Gaming-Together-A-Cooperative-Podcast-103394488607376/?ref=page_internal

The vast majority of women going through menopause have hot flashes. That's millions of people, going through this along with you every day.That's where the Embr Wave comes in. This wearable wristband uses exclusive technology and advanced thermal science to cool your body quickly, safely, and effectively when you feel a hot flash coming on.In the heat of the moment, simply press the button and instantly start feeling waves of cooling designed to bring you relief fast.Liz Gazda is the CEO of Embr, where Dr. Pam is also a Chief Medical Officer. Liz is back on the show to talk about the Embr Wave 2, the secret sauce to this technology, and the younger generation's push for more transparency and fewer stigma around menopause and menstruation.

The vast majority of women going through menopause have hot flashes.The vast majority of women going through menopause have hot flashes. That's millions of people, going through this along with you every day.That's where the Embr Wave comes in. This wearable wristband uses exclusive technology and advanced thermal science to cool your body quickly, safely, and effectively when you feel a hot flash coming on.In the heat of the moment, simply press the button and instantly start feeling waves of cooling designed to bring you relief fast.Liz Gazda is the CEO of Embr, where Dr. Pam is also a Chief Medical Officer. Liz is back on the show to talk about the Embr Wave 2, the secret sauce to this technology, and the younger generation's push for more transparency and fewer stigma around menopause and menstruation.

On this week's show, we spoke with Jason Dominique, Co-Founder & CEO @ Embr Known for his relentless determination and contagious passion for innovation at a global scale, Jason spent the better part of the last decade in the Montreal Startup Ecosystem helping advance its international reach. As a seasoned entrepreneur and innovation leader, Jason is currently focussed on building Embr, a Web3-enabled startup that empowers innovators with the tools and know-how to ignite the future of economic opportunity.   On the show, we spoke about:  The state of crypto today  Immutability, ownership and trustless benefits of blockchains Building a startup despite the extreme volatility of the space Going from ideation to launch with a crypto project  His vision for Embr and building the application layer for decentralized projects Subscribe | iTunes | Google Play |Spotify | YouTube | Stitcher | 

In this week's episode, Jason introduces Dan, the Head of Customer Engagement and Community, onto the show for the first time. Dan gives a quick introduction to describe his role is at Embr. Together, Jason and Dan welcomed Huddle01 CEO Ayush Ranjan and CTO Susmit Wagmi as guests. Ayush introduced himself and dove into the story behind Huddle01 - a decentralized alternative to Zoom. Susmit then introduces himself, and documents his journey into blockchain technology and eventually identifying the key problems in current web conferencing that led to Huddle01, a web3-powered web conferencing leveraging decentralized data storage and IPFS recording. If Web3, data privacy, and the future of web conferencing are exciting topics of discussion to you, this episode is for you!

In this week's episode, Jason and Robb dive into the current conversations about a post-Luna era and a potential "Crypto Winter". What does it mean for projects to be "successful" in this type of landscape? What does it take to navigate this sector moving forward? Robb breaks down how legacy payment solutions exist today, while Jason highlights just how ripe the space is for disruption and innovation. Jason and Robb get into detail about how they think Web3 is a standout sector that proves how Embr can be extremely impactful while driving sustainable revenue models. They also discuss the space's challenges with turning "physical assets" into digital currency and how Embr is perfectly positioned to capitalize on broader market trends. This and much more on this week's Today at Embr!

Join Kevin and Joanne as they discuss their son playing the Wii for the first time and give their review of the game of the week, Embr!Come hang out with us on Discord at https://discord.gg/pczrz5mhxC

Neste episódio, Jason, Bia, Lucas e Wendel (da equipe Jogando Casualmente) falaram sobre novo The House of the Dead Remake, o party game de lenhador Lumberhill, o interessante Baba is You e o jogo de bombeiros de aluguel Embr. Acesse nosso grupo do Telegram: https://t.me/jogandocasualmente Siga-nos no Twitter em https://twitter.com/Jcasualmente Nos apoie financeiramente em https://apoia.se/jogandocasualmente ou então em https://picpay.me/jogandocasualmente Como forma de agradecimento aos contribuintes, produzimos episódios bônus exclusivos, enviamos os episódios de forma adiantada e o Notícias Casuais é sempre a versão completa. Também damos alguns prêmios como cartões presente pra gastar na sua loja de jogos favorita e jogos gratuitos na plataforma de sua escolha. Gosta do nosso trabalho? Considere ajudar!

In this week's episode, Jason and Robb once again discuss various topics. Robb argues how cryptocurrency is spreading into all aspects of life, including Real Estate, an investment market known for its low volatility. They discuss whether this is a good idea and what implications this has for both markets. They also dive into the record rate of cryptocurrency adoption in developing nations and its broader implications. To end this episode, Jason and Robb share their thoughts on Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, give a quick product update about Embr, and answer questions from the community.

Hello and welcome to The Stress Factor Drum and Bass Podcast episode 282 for the month of April 2022. For this episode we have DJ Tribo with an 83 minute, 22 track drum and bass studio mix for your enjoyment released on Easter Sunday 2022! Play it loud and share with 10 people. Tracks, remixes and labels by Thing, Dubthing Records, Harley D, LoveThatBass, Versions, Lunar Records, HLZ, Integral Records, EMBR, Simula, Shogun Audio, Atlantic Connection, Westbay Music, Acid Lab, In Da Jungle Recordings, AkAs, Monrroe, Ruth Royall, Pola and Bryson, Lauren Archer, MNML, Brainwork, Future Retro, Veak, The Foundation, Snowtek and Ferice, Celsius Recordings, Bladerunner, Hi Resolution, Bcee, Philippa Hanna, Emba, Spearhead Records, DuoScience, Kriterion Recordings, Diskool Records, Mattirealism, DNBB Digital, Alexx A-Game, The North Quarter, Disrupta, and Duskee. 01. Thing - Monolith (Original Mix) [Dubthing Records] 02. Harley D - Ninety Degrees (Original Mix) [LoveThatBass] 03. Versions - Minor Detail (Original Mix) [Lunar Records] 04. HLZ - Thinking Soul (Original Mix) [Integral Records] 05. EMBR, Simula - Good Vibration (Original Mix) [Shogun Audio] 06. Atlantic Connection - That's Life (Original Mix) [Westbay Music] 07. Acid Lab - Soundboy (Original Mix) [In Da Jungle Recordings] 08. AkAs - True Grit (Original Mix) [LoveThatBass] 09. Monrroe, Ruth Royall - Drowning (Original Mix) [Shogun Audio] 10. Pola and Bryson, Lauren Archer - Under Ft. Lauren Archer (Original Mix) [Shogun Audio] 11. MNML, Brainwork - Miracle (Original Mix) [Future Retro] 12. Veak - Ulysse (Original Mix) [The Foundation] 13. Snowtek and Ferice - I Think U Do (Original Mix) [Celsius Recordings] 14. Atlantic Connection - When It's Over (Original Mix) [Westbay Music] 15. HLZ - Things Are Not the Same (Original Mix) [Integral Records] 16. Bladerunner - Emergency System (Original Mix) [Hi Resolution] 17. Bcee, Philippa Hanna, Emba - Galaxy FT. Philippa Hanna (Bladerunner Remix) [Spearhead Records] 18. DuoScience - Thank You (Original Mix) [Kriterion Recordings] 19. DuoScience - When (Original Mix) [Diskool Records] 20. Mattirealism - For My Unborn (Original Mix) [DNBB Digital] 21. Alexx A-Game - Braver (Satl Remix) [The North Quarter] 22. Disrupta, Duskee - Blue Moon (Original Mix) [Shogun Audio]

Coming off the heels of Bitcoin 2022 in Miami, and the massive announcement of Bolt acquiring Wyre for 1.5 billion. Jason and Robb interview Jamal Raees, Head of crypto strategy at wyre, and use this week's episode to discuss the before mentioned topics and more! Including Wyre's future plans in regards to what Blockchains, products, and features they intend on developing in the future. What does this mean for Web3 and how do these developments relate the Wyre's partnership with Embr.

This week, the Co-CEO of Embr, Jason Dominique, takes the reigns as host and interviews Robb as he is attending the Bitcoin 2022 conference in Miami, the largest crypto conference in the world. They discuss the biggest aspects of the event, its impact on mainstream media, and the next technology driving the sector, with a heavy focus on Web3. Jason and Robb also talk about the importance of the green initiative and the caliber of companies, local governments, and organizations herein involved. Finally, Robb tells us about him meeting our partners face to face and emphasizes on the importance of relationships in the space when everything is done remotely.

Steve chats with Elizabeth Gazda, CEO of Embr Labs, owners of a wearable that prevents hot flushes from menopause and prostate cancer treatment

In this episode, Jason and Robb interview Yevheniia Broshevan who is a cybersecurity expert by trade and the CEO of HackenProof & Co-Founder of Hacken. Jason and Robb discuss the current geopolitical landscape with Yev and how Hacken has been able to adapt as a Ukrainian based organization. The importance of decentralized currencies in this type of environment is discussed as well as the importance of security and transparency in general, especially with how it relates to Embr. All these relevant topics and a wide variety of other topics Jason and Robb talk through with Yev make for a compelling episode of Today at Embr.

In this week's Live edition of Today at Embr, Jason and Robb talk directly with the community on twitter spaces @joinembr. In this informal discussion, they discuss a wide variety of topics including venture capital funding in the DeFi space, whether being listed on an exchange is necessarily a good thing for a project or not, the pros and cons of exchanges as well as some of Embr's methodology as an organization. Jason & Robb also take a look into the value and past of DeFi from that perspective, and much more.

For the "Season 2 Premiere" Jason and Robb introduce a new format for the show. They also pull back the curtain on the development and technology with an interview with the CTO of Embr: James Hunt. They discuss James' background and experience. They also get into detail breaking down his methodology of engineering and development. James discusses how his background is integral to his position and howthat led to his relationship with Embr's CEO Andrew Cunningham. We also do a live demonstration of Embr Checkout, The Embr Checkout Builder, and how easy it is to integrate into any project regardless of their blockchain and method of conversion. Robb, Jason, and James follow up with a discussion on DeFi and what their strategy is moving forward in a space with uncertainty.

We got some rumors about a new Armored Core coming that has us intrigued. Dying Light 2 is supposed to have over 500 hours of content and that got Twitter in a frenzy. We also played a bunch of games this week: Deep Rock Galactic, Blasphemous, Gorogoa, Firewatch, Doki Doki Literature Club, The Pedestrian, Radiant Silver Gun, Lethal League Blaze, Embr, Mass Effect, Sable and Broken Age…we are exhausted. Thanks for listening and catch our streams on twitch at Edgy Stances!

We are done watching fires, now it's time to fight them… for profit! Is it possible that the “Surprise Me” button is learning? With the AI back in control of the game selection, our hosts have been tasked with fighting fires in this frantic first-person multiplayer title developed by Muse Games. Will Tom and Chris be able to work together to climb the ranks and become truly uber firefighters… or is it more likely that they get in each other's way, resulting in even greater chaos? Once their hour of allocated game time is up, how likely are they to return to fighting fires on their own time? Good news! Time's up and the controllers are down, so the only thing left for you to do is hear their decision. What do you think? Let us know! Hit us up on Twitter at https://twitter.com/tc1h1d Drop us an email at tc.1h1d(at)outlook[dot]com Follow us on Goodpods @1h1d Check out our fancy site: https://quitthebuild.com/1h1d Watch this episode on our Youtube channel: https://bit.ly/3obGi7m Thanks for taking this ride with us :-) --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/1-hour-1-decision/message

Look how they massacred my boy..... Join Micah, Kyle, Josh, Joe, and Michael as we talk about Pokemon Arceus, our short time with EMBR, and the USPS. Join the The Metal Gamers Podcast Discord at discord.gg/6QtUCWd We have merch!: https://www.storefrontier.com/themetalgamerspodcast Check out our Patreon for exclusive and early content: https://www.patreon.com/themetalgamerspodcast Join the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/themetalgamerspodcast/ Follow us on Instagram: @themetalgamerspodcast, @solbrodir, @kanguskyle, @micah_mcg, @chiefbheef, @joe_dufflebag Check out The Infinity Cinema Music Video: https://youtu.be/xyfQr7v8Sp8 Check out The Infinity Cinema debut EP on Spotify and anywhere else: https://open.spotify.com/album/5ocbsrPxxH7DXfUyvhQDb1?si=gU7B6RYKRKWL8L7WQqAfFg

Jason and Robb celebrate Today at Embr's successful first season. They flip the format by taking questions from the community first and getting in-depth with the details. They discuss how far they have come with the podcast and the project. They discuss the learning experience they have displayed transparently with the community about the show being a blueprint of taking a project from ideation to launch.

On this week's show the Helix boys discuss what wishes they'd like Stadia to grant this year alongside the latest Hitman news and more...00:00:22 - Intro/welcome00:02:17 - Chris joins the StadiaSource.com writing staff00:10:05 - The Stadia News! 00:10:20 - Stadia granting wishes in the Community Blog? 00:35:10 - Embr drops free Hosr Update00:36:22 - Hitman 3 details Year Two roadmap00:43:20 - Ubisoft announce The Settlers reboot Beta00:50:28 - SkyClimbers locks in Beta date00:52:31 - Dirt 5 Update confirmed for Early February 00:54:47 - Serious Sam Siberian Mayhem announced (No Stadia)00:58:16 - Monster Energy Supercross 5 announced (No Stadia)01:01:29 - Humankind Cultures of Africa DLC announced01:05:32 - Direct Touch arrived to Hundred Days01:08:19 - Take-Two acquire Zynga for $12.7B01:14:56 - PUBG player count doubles! 01:16:52 - Outro & SideQuest MissionWant more Stadia content? #Stadia #Hitman #PUBGAll NEW Stadia Podcasts, First Looks, Livestreams and more!

Happy New YearLIVE Show:- matching pajama couples who were cheating- biggest red flags- does your hoe-ness get erased- a shorty over 30 and single is a red flag- what would you do if you came back from a trip and your partner was better at everything- truth or hold that L

Hello and welcome to The Stress Factor Podcast episode 276. We have DJ B-12 back with an 87 minute long 40 track studio mix for November of 2021! We hope everyone in the USA had a happy and safe Thanksgiving. This aet contains tracks, remixes by these artists and on these labels - 1991, Confusious, Program, BCee, S.P.Y, Spearhead Records, Andy C , Total Science, Ram Records, Ethos, Opticsnz, Four Corners, Luciano (DnB), Celsius Recordings, Jolliffe, Portia Conn, Silence Groove, ThirtyOne Recordings, Saikon, Innerground Records, Jinx, Straight Up Audio, MKII, Shadowhearts, Drumsound and Bassline Smith, DrumAndBassArena, Amoss, Flexout Audio, Waeys, Aperio, Nymfo, flowanastasia, Pola and Bryson, Shogun Audio, SOLAH, Beatmool, Pulse Palace, Simula, Embr, Flowidus, Amy Maynard, Elevate Records (UK), Paul SG, Grimm, Jazzsticks Recordings, Hiraeth, Galacy, Gravity, Totally Liquid, DSign, Henry, Gemma Rose, Delta9 Recordings, PLTX, Tyrone, The North Quarter, DT3, LFTD, Phil Tangent, Integral Records, Sl8r, Nectax, Guidance (UK), Surreal , Fokuz Recordings, Bredren, MSDOS, Soul Deep Exclusives, Minor Forms, Kublai, Computer Integrated Audio, Grafix, Lee Mvtthews, and Elipsa Tracklist 01. 1991 - Odyssey (Original Mix) [I99I] 02. Confusious - The Edges of Nowhere [Program] 03. BCee - Diagnosis Murder feat. S.P.Y [Spearhead Records] 04. Andy C - Cool Down (Total Science Remix) [Ram Records] 05. Ethos, Opticsnz - Surface Tension [Four Corners] 06. Luciano (DnB) - Butterflies [Celsius Recordings] 07. Jolliffe - Window Panes feat. Portia Conn [Spearhead Records] 08. Silence Groove - Biter [ThirtyOne Recordings] 09. Saikon - Guilty Pleasures [Innerground Records] 10. Jinx - One More Time (Original Mix) [Straight Up Audio] 11. MKII - Drift [Shadowhearts ] 12. Drumsound and Bassline Smith - Give It To Me [DrumAndBassArena] 13. Drumsound and Bassline Smith - Jungle Dreams [DrumAndBassArena] 14. Amoss - Baked Potato [Flexout Audio] 15. BCee - Breath In (Waeys Remix) [Spearhead Records] 16. Aperio - Night Run (Original Mix) [Program] 17. Nymfo, flowanastasia - Leap of Faith [Spearhead Records] 18. Pola and Bryson - Wind Rises [Shogun Audio] 19. Pola and Bryson - Neverend ft. SOLAH [Shogun Audio] 20. Beatmool - Northwind [Pulse Palace] 21. Simula - Good Vibration Ft. Embr [Shogun Audio] 22. Flowidus, Amy Maynard - Delirium [Elevate Records (UK)] 23. Paul SG - Two Became One feat. Grimm (Silence Groove Remix) [Jazzsticks Recordings] 24. Hiraeth - Reflections [Galacy] 25. Gravity - Fragment [Totally Liquid] 26. DSign - Let's Take It Back [Program] 27. Gravity - Time Travel [Totally Liquid] 28. Henry, Gemma Rose - Here to Stay [Delta9 Recordings] 29. PLTX - Dreamy Synth Work [PLTX Music] 30. DSign - Sunflower [Program] 31. Silence Groove - Offset [ThirtyOne Recordings] 32. Tyrone - Come Closer [The North Quarter] 33. DT3 - Focuz (Extended Mix) [LFTD] 34. Phil Tangent - Temporary Solace [Integral Records] 35. Sl8r, Nectax - Andromeda [Guidance (UK)] 36. Surreal - Frequency Modulation [Fokuz Recordings] 37. Bredren - Fallen Leaves [Flexout Audio] 38. MSDOS - ASMR [Soul Deep Exclusives] 39. Minor Forms, Kublai - Motif [Computer Integrated Audio] 40. Grafix, Lee Mvtthews - Underground feat. Elipsa [Lee Mvtthews]

Twitch had its source code and much more leaked, prompting a discussion on the issues with Twitch as a platform; the greatest character to ever be made, Sora, is finally in Smash; and Turtle Rock Studios is making some weird decisions with Back 4 Blood's single player. We also talk about games we're playing: the gorgeous indie RPG Eastward, depressing capitalist living simulator New World, dark survival RTS Age of Darkness, whacky firefighting game Embr, Marvel's Avengers on Game Pass, and some on Metroid Dread and the OLED Switch. Safe in our World: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/safe-in-our-world-celebrates-2nd-anniversary Twitch Hack: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/twitch-source-code-reportedly-leaked-by-hacker Sora in Smash: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/final-super-smash-bros-ultimate-fighter-has-been-announced Back 4 Blood Progression: https://kotaku.com/back-4-blood-solo-mode-blocks-achievements-stat-tracki-1847832523 New World Graphics Cards: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/new-world-is-bricking-gigabyte-rtx-30-series-gpus Marvel's Avengers: https://techraptor.net/gaming/opinions/marvels-avengers-11-months-later 00:00:00: - Intro 00:00:40 - Safe in Our World 00:01:53 - Twitch Got Hacked 00:11:12 - Sora in Smash Bros. 00:22:49 - Back 4 Blood Doesn't Have Solo Progression 00:30:11 - Eastward 00:36:27 - New World 00:43:00 - Age of Darkness, Embr 00:47:47 - Marvel's Avengers 00:54:52 - Nintendo Switch OLED, Metroid Dread For more gaming news, reviews, and articles, head to techraptor.net. Follow Us! Twitter: https://twitter.com/TechRaptor YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TechraptorNet Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/techraptor/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/techraptor --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/techraptor/message

How did 3 guys in their 20s at MIT develop some of the most forward-thinking technology for women in menopause?Well now, this technology is the core of the latest wearable from EMBR Labs. In this spirit of curiosity and invention, Embr Wave was developed and entered the market in 2017 on a basic principle: temperature should be on your terms.Today we're talking brain hacks, body temperature, femtech, and validating women's feelings in menopause with the current CEO of EMBR Liz Gazda.

Lake Lanier.. Honestly I feel like that's all I need to say. This place has so much creepy surrounding it!! There are giant catfish that have been compared to volkswagen, phantom hands pulling you under the water and not to mention the entire submerged counties that lie beneath. There are also multiple deaths and murders that have occured in or around the lake. So much to unpack here, just in time for your memorial day weekend!! Anyone with information on the Hannah Truelove case is asked to please call the hall county sheriff at 770-531-6885 or crime stoppers at 1800 222 TIPS Coleman Family GoFundMe As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/morbid12 and use code morbid12 for twelve free meals, including free shipping! Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/MORBID Embr: You can save $50 on either Embr product by visiting embwave.com/Morbid BetterHelp: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and Morbid: A True Crime Podcast listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid ThirdLove: Go to THIRDLOVE.com/MORBID now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 20% off your first purchase!

TurdOrTreasure is ThisWeekInGeek's dedicated review show covering everything from games to movies to tv to electronics and everything between.This Episode:What's New?- Doom 64 Stadia (Stadia Review)- Embr Stadia (Stadia Review)- Inheritance & The Lodge (VVS Films Digital Movie Reviews)- Batman The Animated Series 2nd Edition (La-La Land Music CD Review)- Scorsese Shorts (Criterion Collection Blu-ray Review)- Utawarerumono: Prelude To The Fallen (NISAmerica PS4 Review)Whats Next?Your Geekmaster:Alex "The Producer" - https://twitter.comDeThPhaseTWIGFeedback for the show?:Email: Feedback@thisweekingeek.netTwitter: https://twitter.com/thisweekingeekSubscribe to our classic/best of episodes here: https://www.spreaker.com/show/this-week-in-geek-classicYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc1BfUrFWqEYha8IYiluMyAiTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-week-in-geek/id215643675Spotify: spotify:show:0BHP4gkzubuCsJBhU3oNWXGoogle Podcasts: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3ByZWFrZXIuY29tL3Nob3cvMzU3MTAzNy9lcGlzb2Rlcy9mZWVkCastbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/id2162049Website: http://www.thisweekingeek.netMay 22, 2020

I'm super excited to publish today's founder interview. A group of curious material science students at MIT, while working on a project to help commercial buildings save on energy costs by heating people directly, developed a very low-powered thermal heating and cooling device for the wrist called the Embr Wave. Their startup journey took a winding course through Greentown Labs to the MIT Skills Accelerator and later the MassChallenge accelerator. Along the way, they picked up an NSF grant, non-dilutive funding from Intel's "Make It Wearable" competition, and the Cool Ideas Award from Proto Labs. This validation led to a venture round from Intel Capital and Bose Ventures and a massively successful Kickstarter campaign that raised $630,000 from 3,000 backers. After four years of hard work, their product started shipping at the end of 2017. Enjoy my conversation with Forbes "30 Under 30" Recipient and Embr Labs Co-Founder and CEO Sam Shames as we learn how his startup took advantage of what his professor coined "Luck Surface Area" to help out the thermally underserved population. Website - https://embrlabs.com/ Twitter - @EmbrWave Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/embrwave/