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For all those who missed out on London, see you in Miami next week!Notion, the knowledge work decacorn, has been building AI tooling since before ChatGPT, with many hits from Q&A in 2023 and unified AI in 2024 and Meeting Notes in 2025. At the end of their last Make user conference, Ryan Nystrom teased Notion 3.0's Custom Agents - and they are finally embracing the Agent Lab playbook!Sarah Sachs and Simon Last of Notion join us for a deep dive into how Notion built Custom Agents, why it took years and multiple rebuilds to get right, and what it means to turn a productivity tool into an agent-native system of record for enterprise work.We go inside the product, engineering, evals, pricing, and org design decisions behind one of the most ambitious AI product efforts in software today — from early failed tool-calling experiments in 2022 to agent harnesses, progressive tool disclosure, meeting notes as data capture, and the long-term vision for software factories and agentic work.We discuss:* Sarah and Simon's path to launching Notion Custom Agents, and why the feature was rebuilt four or five times before it was ready for production* Why early agent attempts failed: no tool-calling standard, short context windows, unreliable models, and too much complexity exposed to the model* The “Agent Lab” thesis: not just wrapping a model, but understanding how people collaborate and building the right product system around frontier capabilities* How Notion thinks about roadmap timing: not swimming upstream against model limitations, but also building early enough that the product is ready when the models are* Why coding agents feel like the kernel of AGI, and how Notion is thinking about “software factories” made up of agents that spec, code, test, debug, review, and maintain codebases together* How Sarah runs AI engineering at Notion (“notes from Token Town”): objective-setting over idea ownership, low-ego teams comfortable deleting their own work, and a culture designed to swarm around fast-changing opportunities* The “Simon Vortex,” company hackathons, and why security gets pulled in early rather than late* How Notion organizes AI: core AI capabilities and infrastructure, product packaging teams, and a broader company mandate that every product surface must increasingly work for both humans and agents* Why prototypes have become much easier to build internally, and how “demos over memos” changes product development inside a tool the whole company already uses every day* Notion's eval philosophy: regression tests, launch-quality evals, and “frontier/headroom” evals that intentionally only pass ~30% of the time so the company can see where model capabilities are going* What a “Model Behavior Engineer” is, and why Notion treats eval writing, failure analysis, and model understanding as a distinct function rather than just software engineering* The changing role of software engineers in the age of coding agents, and why the new job looks less like typing code and more like supervising a rigorous outer system of agents, PRs, and verification loops* How the “software factory” should work: specs, self-verification, bug flows, subagents, and minimizing human intervention while preserving the invariants that matter* A live walkthrough of a Notion Custom Agent handling coworking space tenant applications by triaging email, enriching applicants with web search, and writing structured data into a Notion database* How agents compose inside Notion: shared databases as primitives, agents invoking other agents, “manager agents” supervising dozens of specialized agents, and memory implemented simply as pages and databases* Notion's take on MCP vs CLI: why Simon is bullish on CLI's self-debugging nature, where MCP still makes sense, and how Sarah thinks about capability, determinism, permissioning, and pricing alignment* The evolution of Notion's internal agent harness: from early JavaScript coding agents, to custom XML, to Markdown and SQL-like abstractions, to tool definitions, progressive disclosure, and a much shorter system prompt* Why Notion cares about teaching “the top of the class,” building for sophisticated operators rather than abstracting away too much capability for everyone* How agent setup works today: agents that can configure themselves, inspect their own failures, and edit their own instructions — with guardrails around permissions* How Notion prices Custom Agents: credits as an abstraction over tokens, model type, serving tier, web search, and future sandbox costs; why usage-based pricing was necessary; and how “auto” tries to match the right model to the right task* Why Notion is not eager to train a foundation model, where they do fine-tune and optimize today, and why retrieval/ranking is one of the most important investment areas as more searches come from agents rather than humans* Why Meeting Notes became one of Notion's strongest growth loops: not just as transcription, but as high-signal data capture that powers search, custom agents, follow-up workflows, and the broader system of record for company collaboration* Why Notion is more interested in being the place where collaboration data lives than in building hardware themselves — and how wearables or other capture devices may eventually feed into that systemSarah SachsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahmsachsX: https://x.com/sarahmsachsSimon LastLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-last-41404140X: https://x.com/simonlastFull Video EpisodeTimestamps* 00:00:00 Introduction and launching Notion Custom Agents* 00:01:17 Why Notion rebuilt agents four or five times* 00:03:35 Building for where models are going, not just where they are* 00:05:32 The Agent Lab thesis, wrappers, and product intuition* 00:08:07 User journeys, leadership, and low-ego AI teams* 00:13:16 The Simon Vortex, hackathons, and bringing security in early* 00:16:39 Team structure, demos over memos, and building for agents* 00:20:25 Evals, Notion's Last Exam, and the Model Behavior Engineer role* 00:27:37 Evals as an agent harness and the changing role of software engineers* 00:30:42 The software factory: specs, verification, and agent workflows* 00:32:18 Live demo: a custom agent for coworking space applications* 00:35:08 Composing agents, manager agents, and memory as pages* 00:38:15 Notion Mail, Gmail, native integrations, and tools* 00:39:43 MCP vs CLI and the cost of capability* 00:44:13 When Notion uses MCP vs building its own integrations* 00:47:43 The history of Notion's agent harness rebuilds* 00:55:35 Power users, public tools, and the setup agent* 00:58:01 Self-fixing agents, permissions, and “flippy”* 01:01:13 Pricing, credits, and choosing the right model automatically* 01:09:01 Why Notion isn't training its own frontier model* 01:14:07 Retrieval, ranking, and search built for agents* 01:17:27 Meeting Notes as data capture and workflow automation* 01:21:18 Wearables, hardware, and Notion as the system of record* 01:23:45 OutroTranscript[00:00:00] Alessio: Hey everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio founder of Kernel Labs and I'm joined by swyx, editor of the Latent Space.[00:00:11] swyx: Hello. Hello. We're back in the beautiful studio that, uh, Alessio has set up for us with Simon and Sarah from Notion. Welcome.[00:00:18] Sarah Sachs: Thanks for having us.[00:00:19] Alessio: Thanks for having us. Yeah.[00:00:20] swyx: Congrats on the launch recently the custom agents, finally it's here. How's it feel?[00:00:26] Sarah Sachs: We ship things slowly. So it had been in Alpha for a little bit and at the point at which is it's an alpha, um, there's a group of people that are making sure it's ready for prod, and then there's a group of people working on the next thing.So sometimes some of these launches are a bit delayed satisfaction, so it's quite nice to remind yourself all the work you did because we do have a habit of like. Being two or three milestones ahead. Uh, just ‘cause you have to be, you know, you can't get complacent. Um, but it's been great that people understood how this is helpful.And I think that's just easier in general building AI tools today than it was two, three years ago. People kind of get it and so that user education, um, there's just, it was our most successful launch in terms of free trials and converting people and things like that. It was really successful, so yeah.But there's a lot to build.[00:01:12] swyx: Making it free for three months helps.[00:01:16] Sarah Sachs: Yep.[00:01:17] Simon Last: It was definitely super exciting for me because it's probably the fourth or fifth time that we rebuilt that.[00:01:22] swyx: Yes.[00:01:23] Simon Last: And I mean,[00:01:24] swyx: you've been building this since like 20, 22.[00:01:26] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, like, it was even right when we got access to like GPT four in late 20 22, 1 of the first ideas we had is like, oh, okay, let's make an agent that I, we used the word assistant at the time, there wasn't really the word, the word agent yet, but, oh, we'll give an access to all the tools the notion can do, and then it, we run in the background like, like do work for us.And then we just tried that many times and it just. Was too early. Um,[00:01:48] swyx: I need to force you to like double click on that. What is too early? What didn't work?[00:01:52] Sarah Sachs: We were fine to, like, before function calling came out. We were trying to fine tune with the Frontier Labs and with fireworks, like a function calling model on notion functions.This is right when I joined. I joined because, um, we needed a manager as Simon was needed to be able to go on vacation. So, uh, that's, that's around when I joined, so you can speak much more to it.[00:02:11] Simon Last: Yeah, we did partnerships with both philanthropic and open AI at different times, uh, to try to, at the time the, I mean, when we first tried, there wasn't even a constant of like tools yet.We, we sort of designed our own like, like tool calling framework and then we tried to fine tune the models to, uh, to use it over multiple turns. Um, and because it, it didn't work well out the box, I think. Yeah. The models are just too dumb and the context thing was also way too short.[00:02:37] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:02:37] Simon Last: Um, and yeah, we just kind of banged our head against it for a long time.Uh, unfortunately it was always like, there was always like sort of. Glimmers that it was working, but um, it never felt quite robust enough to be like a useful, delightful thing. Um, until I would say, uh, the big unlock was probably like Sonic 3.6 or seven, uh, early last year. And that's when we started working on our agent, which we shipped last year.Um, and then, and then uh, uh, custom agents, kinda a similar capability and that, that one just took longer because we, we just wanted to get the reliability up a lot higher. ‘cause it's actually running in the background.[00:03:14] Sarah Sachs: And the product interface of like permissions and understanding, you know, this custom agent is shared in a Slack channel with X group of people and has access to documents that are surfaced to Y group of people.And the intersect experts, Y might not be whole. And so how do you build the product around making sure administrators understand that permissioning took multiple swings.[00:03:35] Alsesio: Everything is hard back at the end of the day. Yeah. I'm curious, like when the models are not working, how do you inform the product roadmap of like, okay, we should probably build, expecting the models to be better at some reasonable pace, but at the same time we need to, you know, you had a lot of customers in 2022.It's not like you were a new company or like no user base.[00:03:54] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean I think there's always the balance of, you know, like you want to be a GI pilled and thinking ahead and building for where things are going. Uh, but also you wanna be like shipping useful things. And so we always try to like, like keep a balance there.You know, we. We try to take clear, like a portfolio approach. You know, we're always working on multiple projects and, and we're always trying to work on, you know, maintaining things where that have already shipped, like, like shipping new things that are like eminently working well and make them really good.And, and then we wanna always have a few projects that are a little bit crazy. Um,[00:04:23] Alsesio: and what are the a GI peel projects that you have today? I'm curious about, uh, you don't have to share exactly what you're working on, but I'm curious what are things today that maybe in 18 months people will be like, oh, obviously this was gonna work[00:04:35] Sarah Sachs: 18 months.[00:04:37] Alsesio: Yeah, 18 months is, you know,[00:04:37] Sarah Sachs: it's a long time and Yeah. Yeah.[00:04:39] Simon Last: I mean, there's a number of things happening. I think one thing that's becoming more clear is I think like, like, uh, coding agents are the kernel of EGI, sort of, everything is a coding agent. Mm-hmm. I think that's, that's sort of one, one direction.Um, and then, yeah, the exciting thing about that is sort of your agent can sort of bootstrap its own software and capabilities and actually debug and maintain them. And so yeah, we're, we're, we're thinking a lot about that. And then, yeah, like, like another category of things that I'm, I'm really excited about is like, uh, we call the software factory also.People are using this, uh, this, this sort of word. Um, basically it just means can you create sort of like a, as automated as possible, a workflow for developing debugging. Mm-hmm. Merging, reviewing, and maintaining a code base and a service where there's a bunch of agents working together inside, and like, like how does that work?[00:05:28] Sarah Sachs: If you think back to your initial question, like, why did this take so long? I think something,[00:05:32] swyx: I didn't say that, but Yes. Okay. Go ahead.[00:05:34] Sarah Sachs: Why, what, what changed over the three and half years of trying[00:05:37] swyx: it? Exactly. Right. Because most people always say like, it didn't work yet. Then reasoning models came, then it worked.I was like, okay, let's go a little[00:05:43] Sarah Sachs: bit. That's, I mean, that's part of it, but I think the other part of it that I actually think is really what will set notion apart for every new capability is we have like. Two skills that are crucial when it comes to frontier capabilities. One is not letting yourself swim upstream.So like quickly realizing if you're just pressing against model capabilities versus not exposing the model to the right information, not having the right infrastructure set up. That and of itself is the skill of intuition. And the second is to see, okay, you're not swimming upstream. Which direction is the river flowing and what is like, how do we think ahead about the product and start building it even if it's not great yet, so that when it is there, we're ready for it.Right? And like those can sometimes feel like counterintuitive things. Like we can be trying to fine tune a tool calling model when they don't exist yet. And that the trick is to not do that for too long, but realize that there was something there. And we've had a lot of things which like, um, we're just like not swimming in the right direction with the streams.I think we had multiple versions of transcription before we got meeting notes, right? Oh, I gotta talk[00:06:39] swyx: about that. Yeah.[00:06:40] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. Um, and so. I, I, I think that like we, we really closely partner with the Frontier Labs on capabilities and we also have to have strong conviction on, as those capabilities move.Notion is about being the best place for you to collaborate and do your work. And how does that narrative change if the way that we work changes?Yeah.[00:06:58] swyx: Yeah. You told me you were a fan of the Agent Lab thesis, and this is, this is kind of it, right?[00:07:02] Sarah Sachs: Right. I show that thesis to so many candidates. Like I have it as like micro chrome autofill.Um, at this point, like it's one of my most visitations[00:07:10] swyx: because like, is this the, here's why you should work in notion and not open, open eye. I, it's like,[00:07:14] Sarah Sachs: here's, here's what's different about it.[00:07:16] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:16] Sarah Sachs: And here's why. It's not just a rapper. I actually think more and more people understand it's not just a wrapper.[00:07:21] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:22] Sarah Sachs: Um, and by the way, like in the beginning, parts of what we build are wrappers on functionality. That works well, of course, but that's not really the most, um. I would say that's not the product that, that drives revenue. And that's not necessarily always what users need.[00:07:35] swyx: I mean, you know, notion is the AWS wrapper, but like the, the wrapper is very beautiful and like very, very well polished.So[00:07:40] Sarah Sachs: like the analogy,[00:07:41] swyx: like[00:07:42] Sarah Sachs: the analogy that I've been coming back to his Datadog in AWS[00:07:45] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:46] Sarah Sachs: So, uh, Datadog could not exist with, without cloud storage. Right. That it's kind of fundamental that that works. Um, and AWS has like a CloudWatch product, but Datadog is an expert on understanding how people want observability on the products they launch.And we're experts in understanding how people wanna collaborate, and that's really where our expertise lies.[00:08:04] swyx: Totally.[00:08:04] Sarah Sachs: Um, regardless of the tools that we use,[00:08:07] Alsesio: I'm kind of curious how you think about implicit versus explicit expertise. I feel like Datadog is half and half implicit and explicit. It's like they understand across markets and industries what engineering teams usually look for.With notion, it's almost like more of the expertise is at the edge because you as a platform, you're like so horizontal that the end user is not really the same. Mm-hmm. Like with Datadog, the end user is always like, yeah, an engineering lead, a kinda like SRE related person with notion. It can be anything.So I'm curious how you put that expertise into a product versus, you know, obviously it, WS cannot build notion. It's, that doesn't quite work in this case, but[00:08:44] Simon Last: it's, it's a little bit differently shaped. I think, you know, a classic vertical SaaS, like the data is kind of like that. They understand their individual customer very deeply.It's kinda a narrow slice, um, notion has always been super horizontal. And our, our task has always been to sort of balance these two somewhat opposing forces of like, we're listening to our customers and what they want us to build. It's a broad slice. And then also we're thinking about like, okay, how do we decompose what they want into, uh, nice primitives that are, that are really nice to use and we'll, we'll get us like as much bang for the buck as possible.And then, you know. Maintain the whole system, make it all like, like super clean and nice to use.[00:09:22] Sarah Sachs: We still have user journeys. I mean, we still focus on like core. I actually think the failure of our team is when we focus too much on what are cools that are, what are tools that are[00:09:31] Simon Last: mm-hmm.[00:09:31] Sarah Sachs: Cool tools. I actually think that's when we make have the least velocity because you still need some sort of focus on a user journey.So like for instance, we'll all sit down every Friday and look at the P 99 of like the most token exhaustive custom agent transcript and just look at why it didn't do well and cut a bunch of tasks. Like we still focus on like, this has, like this should work. Email triaging should work. Mm-hmm. Right. And similarly, like when we're talking about before building, um, chatting, um, before we started filming about, okay, how can I do PDF export?Well that's functionality that then merits. Maybe we should build a tool that has access to a computer sandbox in a file system and the ability to write code. Right? Right. Um, but it's because we're thinking about the fact that our users to do their, to do their daily work, need to export PDFs, not because we're like, Hmm, I think a computer tool could be cool.Like, let's just see what happens. Mm-hmm. Like we, we have to focus on some user journeys, otherwise we just don't have like, enough strategy to, to prioritize.[00:10:29] swyx: I think there's a lot of like really strong opinions that you've had. Do you have like sort of like a towel of Sarah Sachs? Like, you know, like what, how do you run your team?Like I feel like you just have accumulated all these strong opinions. Obviously part, part of this is your, your token town thing.[00:10:43] Sarah Sachs: I think the TAs working with Service X is, um, you'd have to, it depends who you ask. Um, I think it depends if you're on my team or a partner Right. Or a vendor.[00:10:54] swyx: Yeah. There other people want to run their teams the way that you're Yeah.You're like bringing these things. And then also similarly, uh, Simon, when you did the custom agents demo, you had like, well, we've been using custom agents and here's the super long list of everything that we do. No humans ever read it. Right? That's what you said. I was like,[00:11:07] Sarah Sachs: yeah. So I think for, for me, um, something that I learned very quickly and became very comfortable with was that my job was not to be the ideas per person or the technical expert.My job was to make it so that everybody understood the objective, had a resource to help prioritize what they should work on, and had an avenue to prioritize what they thought was important. And I think that's true with all, all leadership, but I think especially on the AI team. Almost all of our best ideas come from prototypes, from people that have a cool idea because they saw a user problem, and it's a huge disservice if all of those ideas have to pass, like the sniff test of what me and a product partner or Simon and Ivan decided were the direction, right?Because a lot of what we're doing is leaning into capabilities, so. I think that's the first thing is like, I don't really view like the role of engineering leadership as like, uh, hierarchical, nor has it ever been, but especially now, like very willing to change direction based on, um, like proof is in the pudding.Yeah. And like, and I think we have rebuilt our harness three or four times. And when you do that, then the second rule of engineering leadership is like you need to build a team that's comfortable deleting their own code and is very low ego and is driven by what's best for the company. And, um, doesn't write design docs because they think it's their promotion packet.Right. And that's a culture that notion had long before I joined, but like our willingness to just swarm on different problems and um, redo things that we've built before because something has changed. Like, there's a lot of friction that can happen at companies when you do that. And it doesn't happen at Notion.And because it doesn't happen when new people join. Like they don't wanna be the ones that are saying, we shouldn't do this. I wrote that code. So then it's, you know, you, you create a culture that everyone thoughts and that culture comes directly, I think from Simon and Ivan though, um, because they're very open-minded.[00:12:50] swyx: Anything that you,[00:12:50] Simon Last: you'd add? I'm not a manager, like, like, like Sarah is. Um, a lot of my role is really to try to think a little bit ahead, make sure that we're, we're building on the right capabilities and then like the prototyping stuff. And yeah, it's really, really critical to always just be starting again.It's like, okay, this is new thing. What does this mean? What if we just rethought everything or wrote everything? And so I, I'm, I'm basically just doing that in a loop every six months.[00:13:16] swyx: Yeah. Do you believe in internal hackathons for this stuff?[00:13:19] Sarah Sachs: I think there's like two different versions. So one is like, we just have a, a, a solid bench of senior engineers that come and go on what we call the Simon Vortex and Productionizing what we built, right?Because when you're in the Simon Vortex, the velocity is super high. The direction changes daily, and it's meant to be like the equivalent of a SC Works lab. We don't need to do hackathons for that. We need to have senior engineers that we trust to come in and out of those projects. For instance, like management boundaries are really loose.Like you report to him, but you work for her right now. Yeah. That's something that when we hire managers, it's important they don't care about because we tend to form more structures. Yeah. Don't be too[00:13:54] swyx: territorial.[00:13:55] Sarah Sachs: We form more. It's after we ship things, not not before, just historically. Um, the second thing is we do have companywide hackathons.Actually we just had our demos day for the hackathon we had last week this morning. That's more for people that aren't directly working on the project, feeling like they have the time to pause and learn how to make themselves more productive or how they would use notion custom agents to build something.Or part of the hackathon was actually encouraging everyone across the company to build their own agentic tool loop, calling from scratch. Follow like an every blog post on how to do what I think because we want[00:14:26] swyx: just with the compound engineering one. Yeah.[00:14:28] Sarah Sachs: We want everyone to use cloud code in the company or whatever the coding agent they please and understand that fundamental.So we set aside a day and a half. We're all leadership, encourage everyone on their teams across the company to do it. So we have hackathons like that. I would say like kind of facetiously, like everything we build is a little bit like a hackathon until it graduates and puts on big boy pants and as a product ops rollout leader and has a assigned data scientists and stuff like that,[00:14:54] swyx: security review enterprise stuff,[00:14:56] Sarah Sachs: actually security reviews one of the things that we bring in first because it just slows us down way more and, um, causes a lot of tension and they build better product if they're involved early.So, um, that is probably the first person to get involved in something that's the[00:15:09] swyx: right PR approved answer.[00:15:10] Sarah Sachs: No, but it's not just PR approved. It like, um, um, it's[00:15:13] swyx: actually real. It's actually real. It's like, um, I'm just saying scar[00:15:15] Sarah Sachs: tissue.[00:15:15] swyx: Yeah,[00:15:16] Sarah Sachs: because like, you know, my background's also, I worked at Robinhood for a number of years.Yes. So like, uh, compliance and things like that, um, are a little bit more, you learn the hard way when it doesn't come naturally.[00:15:26] Simon Last: Yeah. I think the. The hackathon is really important for uplifting the general population, but like, if that's the only way you can build new things, you're kind of toast. I mean, it, it has to be like the daily processes, like, you know, building these new things.Um, and it has to be about, I think like, I think in the AI era a lot more leverage accumulates to the most curious and excited people. And so it's like we're all about just like activating that energy. You know, like if someone's protesting something on the weekend that they're excited about and it's important, that should be the main thing that we're doing.Yeah. Um, it's not a hackathon that we schedule once a quarter, it's just like, yeah. Daily process. Part of the culture.[00:16:02] Sarah Sachs: I mean, that's how we shift image generation and notion now. It was always this thing that would be kind of nice to have, but it wasn't really clear where that was necessarily aligned in product priorities.It'd be a lot of work. And we had someone on the database collections team, Jimmy, who was like. I really wanna do image generation for cover photos and inside notion. And we're like, if you wanna build it, like it's, do it please. Like we encourage you. We gave ‘em all the resources of working directly with Gemini and being able to like track the token usage and it working through endpoints.We gave them eval, support, everything, and then became a, a full project.[00:16:34] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:16:35] Sarah Sachs: That's why you can't have like ego as a, a leader. Like that's, that's how we work.[00:16:39] Alsesio: What's the size of the team today, both engineering and overall?[00:16:43] Sarah Sachs: I manage, uh, the team. That's what we'll call it. Core AI capabilities and infrastructure.That's about 50 people. But then we have per i partner teams that do packaging. So how it shows up in the corner chat versus custom agents versus meeting notes, that's another 30, 40 people. And, and then every team that has a product service at Notion that a user can interface with owns the tool that the agent interfaces with the editor team.The team that did CRDT for offline mode is the same team that handles how two agents, um, edit competing blocks. Mm-hmm. Right? It's the same problem. The team that built the underlying SQL engine is the same team that owns how the agent asks it to run a SQL query, and it does it performantly. And so from that regard, anyone working on product engineering is tasked with making them work for customers that are humans and agents because over time the majority of our traffic will be coming from agencies using in our interface, not humans.And so. Our objective is to make it so that the whole product org is building for agents.[00:17:40] Alsesio: Yeah. How has it changed internally? The activation bar is kind of lowered a lot. Like anybody can kind of create a prototype very, somewhat easily, especially if you're like an existing code base. Have you raised the bar on like what type of prototype people need to bring forward to gonna be taken?Not like seriously, but like, you know what I[00:17:58] Simon Last: mean? Yeah. I think the bar is lowered in many ways. Be like, one thing our, uh, our team built that is really cool is our, uh, our, our design team made a whole separate GitHub repo, uh, called the, the design Playground. And it's basically just to create a bunch of like, like helper components and you, uh, for, for quickly a throwing together UIs.And it's become like actually quite sophisticated. Like it has like an agent in there and like, uh, that's pretty fun. So like, we pretty much, like, they don't do mocks, they just make like, like full, full prototypes.[00:18:27] swyx: Here it is. It works.[00:18:28] Simon Last: They give you like a u rl. They're like, okay, all right. So we have to make the, like the real production version of that.Um, and then for engineers. A prototype looks like just making it a feature flag that actually works. Like that's sort of the bar.[00:18:39] Sarah Sachs: Something to understand that's really unique about notion. One of the reasons I joined we're super lucky is no one uses Notion in their job as much as people that work at Notion.[00:18:46] Simon Last: Of course.[00:18:47] Sarah Sachs: So I think there's very few companies, maybe if you worked on Chrome I guess, but like everything that we ship, we ship internally first and get a lot of really quick feedback. And also sometimes our dev instance is totally borked and you have to change a bunch of flags to get things done. And that's kind of like, but everyone, so people that do it ticketing, people that do supply chain procurement, recruiting, everyone is using the same instance of notion with like a lot of flags on for these prototypes people build.Um, and so we have this, Brian Levin, one of the designers on our team, I think evangelize this concept of demos over memos.[00:19:18] swyx: Ooh, too[00:19:20] Sarah Sachs: good. Um, which has been, uh, very good for building demos, and I think it's put a big pressure point on us to have really strong product conviction, because if anything can be demoed, you really need a strong filter of making sure that if you know, you're doing X amount of work, you're making the, you're, you're focusing on one tower, you're not just building a really flat hill.Right. That's actually where I think there has to be more conviction from our PMs, um, and our designers and, and well, the company really to have conviction of what journey we're going on.[00:19:52] Simon Last: But overall, I feel like it works pretty well. Like people, almost all the engineers have good enough taste to realize that like, this prototype doesn't actually make sense in the product, or, or it does.So it's not that common that I would see a prototype. It's like, oh, this makes no sense. Mm-hmm. It's like, you know, people are doing reasonable things and, and, and then it's just a matter of. Which things we build first and then often just, just figuring out how to turn it on and off. There's our, in the, in our like experimental chat ui, there's this, there's probably like, like a hundred check boxes in there.[00:20:22] Sarah Sachs: Kills me[00:20:23] Simon Last: the things you could turn on and off.[00:20:25] Sarah Sachs: Uh, but I think that, okay, so that is kind of true, Simon, but like being the person that manages the evals team, like there is a level of intensity that it adds to the platform team. So, you know, if we're gonna do image generation and notion, all of a sudden the way that we do attachments and the way that we, um, our LLM completion like cortex talks and expects tokens back and now it's getting images back.Like there's a lot of platform work that we do need to, like solidify a little bit. So sometimes it'll be in dev for a couple weeks before it makes it to prod just because we still have to like, make it robust, make it HIPAA compliant, ZDR compliant, figure out the right contracting with the vendor, whatever it is.And we need to eval it because we want the team. To still maintain what they build. That's the one thing is like if we have a bunch of prototypes, it can't just be like a small group of people that then maintain whatever end prototypes. So we have invested a lot of people in an eval and model behavior understanding teams that, we call it agent dev velocity.So your dev velocity building agents can be faster if we invest in that platform. And so we have a whole org dedicated to Asian, um, platform velocity so that you can build your own eval and then maintain it once you ship it. So if a new model release comes out and we, every[00:21:38] swyx: team maintains their own eval,[00:21:40] Sarah Sachs: we maintain the eval framework.Every team owns their own evals and a lot of them we've integrated to Optin, to ci, or we run them nightly and we have a team, uh, a custom agent that triggers to a team to look at the major failures. That's really critical because if we have like all these different surfaces now, a lot of it's on the same agent harness, so it's easier to maintain.It's just packaging of different agent harnesses, but new functionality of the agent. Let's say that like we wanna update like. Uh, you know, they deprecated, sonnet, um, four or whatever it is and we need to auto update. Are[00:22:11] swyx: they already? That's so, okay. Yeah. Actually wasn't that long ago.[00:22:14] Alsesio: Theywere[00:22:14] Alsesio: just 3.5.[00:22:15] Sarah Sachs: 3.537. Just got deprecated.[00:22:18] swyx: 3 7, 5 0.2 or, yeah. No,[00:22:20] Sarah Sachs: it's not. 5.2 is five point. Five point no. Yeah, five four is 40% more expensive than five two. So if they deprecated five two, you would hear they can, you would hear from me about that one. Um, but, uh, another conversation to have.[00:22:35] swyx: I have a cheeky evals question for you.Have you noticed any secret degradation from any of the major model providers?[00:22:40] Sarah Sachs: Secret degradation,[00:22:42] swyx: like. During the War Bay, when it's high traffic, it suddenly gets dumber.[00:22:47] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. I mean, not just between the, I mean, we definitely notice flakiness, we've definitely noticed, particularly for some providers, that things are slower during working hours and[00:22:57] swyx: there's a latency argument.Yes. Not a quality argument.[00:22:59] Sarah Sachs: No. I think the quality difference that's interesting is, um, even though companies that say they're selling the same, a, it's really into like quanti quantization, but like companies that say they're selling the same model through different vendors, whether it be through first party or Bedrock, Azure, et cetera.We do see different qualities sometimes, and that's not necessarily what's advertised.[00:23:21] swyx: Yeah. Kidney went to the point of like, if we, they shipped like this, like eval across all the providers and it was like very obvious we were secret equalizing and it was very,[00:23:28] Sarah Sachs: yeah. But[00:23:29] swyx: that's very embarrassing.[00:23:30] Sarah Sachs: You know, um, we hire Subprocess to figure that out for us.So we just wanna understand where it's regressing or where it's optimized. And sometimes we're okay with regressions that optimize latency if they're the appropriate regressions. Our job is to make sure we have the evals to understand the changes that are important to us. And even like when we're partnering with labs on pre-releasees of models, they'll send us multiple snapshots.And this is less about quantization, but more just regressions. Like they have shipped models that were not the snapshots that we wanted, and they have changed the snapshots that they shipped based on the feedback that we give. Because our feedback tends to be more enterprise work focused and not coding agent focused.And definitely those can be bummers, like, you know, uh, we know that this wasn't the version you wanted, but we'll help you make it work. I mean, we always make it work, but that definitely happens.[00:24:16] Alsesio: Yeah. Do you have, um, failing evals that you're just hoping, oh, that will have success eventually when a good model comes out?[00:24:23] Sarah Sachs: Uh, I mean, yeah. So I think. I mean, I could talk about this for 60 minutes, so I will limit myself. I think it's a real issue when people say evals and it's just like, that's quality, that's like unit, I mean, it's like saying testing. It's not just unit tests, right? So. We have the equivalent of unit test.Regression test. Those live in ci, those have to pass a certain percent, you know, within some stochastic error rate. Then we have, as you're building a product, evals of these aren't passing right now, and this is launch quality. So we have a report card and we need to, on these categories, you know, be it 80 or 90% of all of these user journeys to launch, and then what we have what we call frontier or headroom evals, where we actively wanna be at 30% pass rate.And that's actually been a effort that we took in partnership with philanthropic and OpenAI in the past maybe two or three months, because we actually hit a point where our evals were saturated and we weren't able to really give insightful feedback other than it wasn't worse. And not only is that not helpful for our partners, it's not helpful for us to understand where the stream is going.You know, going back to that analogy. And so we spent a lot of time thinking about. What notions last exam looks like, right? Mm-hmm. Not just humanities, last exam. Ooh, notions last exam. Mm-hmm. And, um, there's a lot of, you know, dreams about what that would look like. I know we've talked a lot about benchmarking, um, swix, but, uh, yeah.Notions last exam is a big thing inside the company and we have people, full-time staff to it exclusively. Mm. We have a data scientist, a model behavior engineer, and an full-time, um, evals engineer just dedicated to the evals that we pass 30% of the time.[00:25:56] swyx: What you're hiring for[00:25:57] Sarah Sachs: MBEs? I am hiring[00:25:58] swyx: What is an MBEA[00:25:59] Sarah Sachs: model?Behavior Engineer Model. Behavior engineers started with a title data specialist before I joined when they were working with Simon on like, uh, Google Sheets and like Simon just needed someone to look through Google Sheets and say, yes, no, this looks bad. This looks good. Right? And so we hired people with kind of diverse linguistics background.We had like a linguistics PhD dropout. Mm-hmm. And a Stanford ate new grad. And they're amazing. And they formed a new function basically. And over time we've built a whole team, um, with a manager who's now kind of reinventing what that role is with coding agents. So they used to be kind of manually inspecting code.Now they're primarily building agents that can write evals for themselves or LLM judges. There's a really funny day I can send you the picture where Simon, about a year and a half ago, was teaching them how to use GitHub. Um, and they're on the whiteboard and it was like, okay, I think it would be so much faster if our data specialists learned how to use GitHub and like learned how to commit these things in Dakota.And, and that was then and now I think, you know, coding has been a lot more accessible. Um, but moving forward it's this mix of like data scientist PM and prompt engineer because there's craft in understanding like even like what models can and can't do things. How do we define like that headroom? How do we define like what a good journey is?Um, is this model better or not? Why is this failing? There's some qualitative work, but then there's also like a lot of instinct and taste to it, and that's not necessarily software engineering. And so we have like very firm conviction and we have had for a number of years now that that is its own career path and we have always welcomed the misfits, so to speak.So we really firmly believe that you don't need an engineering background to be the best at this job. And that's what's quite unique about this particular role.[00:27:37] Simon Last: Yeah, this is something that I've been pretty excited about recently is we made an effort basically to treat the eval system as like an agent harness.So if you think about it, like, you know, you should be able to have an agent end-to-end, download a dataset, run an eval, iterate on a failure, debug, and, and then implement a fix. And ultimately you should be able to, you know, drive the full time process with a human sort of observing the, you know, the outer uh, system.So yeah, we went, went pretty hard on that. And that's, that's worked extremely well so far. It's like basically just to turn it into a coding agent, uh, uh, problem.[00:28:11] swyx: Your coding agent or just whatever[00:28:13] Simon Last: harness No coding agent. Yeah, code, cloud code. It should be totally general. Yeah. I think if it would be a mistake to like, like fix it on any, any particular coding agent.At the end of the day, it's just like CLI tools.[00:28:21] Sarah Sachs: It's like the same way that you would've a coding agent write the unit test. You should have a coding agent write the eval.[00:28:26] swyx: Yeah.[00:28:26] Sarah Sachs: But there's a lot of supervision in that still. We just don't believe that supervision has to come from software engineers because a lot of it is like, um, kind of you XREE and whatever, and these are the people that also triage failures and tell us where we should be investing next.[00:28:40] swyx: Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and ask a spicy question. Is there a data, there are no software engineers at Notion.[00:28:46] Simon Last: Um,[00:28:46] Sarah Sachs: what does it mean to be a software engineer?[00:28:47] swyx: Exactly.[00:28:48] Simon Last: I mean, I think the way things are going is like we're on some continuum where. If, if you look back three years ago, humans were typing all the code and then we had auto complete, you're typing list of the code.Then we had sort of like filling agents, filling lines, and now we're getting into like agents doing longer range tasks where you can debug and implement a fix and then verify it works and you know, get your, get your PR even like, like Merion deployed. I think we're sort of just moving up the abstraction ladder and then the human role becomes more about observing and maintaining the outer system.There's a string of agents flowing through, like me prs what's going off the rails. Like what do I need to approve? Is there like a learning or memory mechanism that that works? So it's kind of a hard engineering problem. There's a, you know, there's, there's a lot to do there. I think we're just sort of moving up stack[00:29:34] Sarah Sachs: the same transition machine learning engineers have made, right?Like I haven't looked at a PR curve in a while.[00:29:39] swyx: Yeah. You used to do this stuff and now, um, auto research can do it,[00:29:42] Sarah Sachs: right? Like I think it depends on what you define as a software engineer.[00:29:46] swyx: Yes. It's, that's changing for sure.[00:29:49] Sarah Sachs: I think every software engineer in notion this summer went through like this, um, sheer, um, one of our engineering leads of the company called it, like every software engineer is going through the, the, uh, identity crisis that every manager goes through, where all of a sudden they realize their ability to write code is less important than their ability to delegate in context switch.And I think that is a transition out of being a software engineer. But[00:30:12] Simon Last: yeah. Yeah, there's a critical difference to being a manager, which is that like, it is actually very deeply technical. The problem, you know, humans are very like, like, like fuzzy and you can't like treat a team of humans like a, like a rigorous system where like, you know, prs like, like flow through and can be in like a block status and then what happens when they're blocked, right.With a set of agents, you actually can do that. And, and, and I think it's actually, there's a lot of interesting technical rigor that that goes into that it's like it's a technical design problem. Ultimately.[00:30:42] Alsesio: What is the design of the software factory that you're building?[00:30:46] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think we're. Trying a lot of different things.I mean, ultimately you want to design a system that requires as little human intervention as possible, but like still maintaining the in variance that, that you care about. So yeah, we're exploring a lot different ideas there. I mean, I think I could talk about a few things I think are important there.Like, one thing I think is really important is, um, having some kind of like specification layer you can just commit marked on files. Mm-hmm. That works pretty well, but[00:31:15] swyx: it's nice to be notion man. I'm just saying like the spec, like Yeah. The natural home for specs is notion.[00:31:21] Simon Last: Yeah. Right. It can be a database of pages.Yeah. I mean, it needs to be something that is, you know, human readable and I viewable and I think that's pretty key. Another really key component is like the, the self verification loop. Yes. You need really, really good testing layers, basically. And that's a really deep, uh, uh, problem. But by getting that right, you know, and then, and then it's kinda like the workflow of like.What happens when there's a bug? How does it flow into the system? Like, is it like a subagent working on it? How does it make a PR and how does that get reviewed? And me, and then, you know, so there's like the, the flow or process.[00:31:56] swyx: Yeah. Cool. Uh, you know, one thing we did work out before you guys came in was this demo or this[00:32:01] Simon Last: agents[00:32:02] swyx: agent demo.Uh,[00:32:03] Simon Last: so every,[00:32:04] Alsesio: every time we do an episode, we try the product. Right. I don't think there's ever been an episode that I haven't tried. Yeah. Um,[00:32:11] swyx: and we, we try, try is a, a big word. Like since day one lane space has been on Notion, but this is the, this is the net new thing. Yes.[00:32:18] Alsesio: So this is for Nel Labs, which is the space we're in.So next week we're opening applications for tenants. So there's a web form, let me, we got this form done here. Uh, so, uh, before. Uh, the workflow would be I get an email, then I look at the person. It was like, should I spend time talking to this person? Then I respond, they respond back. So I build this. So the name it came up for on its own.Can you maybe h how do, how does it come up with its own name?[00:32:43] Simon Last: Yeah, that's a pretty app name. It's, it, it is just a random, it's a random, a name generator.[00:32:47] Alsesio: Oh, that's funny. It just came,[00:32:49] Simon Last: the fact that it picked that is, is kind of hilarious. I'm pretty sure it's just determined,[00:32:54] Sarah Sachs: resilient collector. I, I think I've never looked at the code for that.I've never second guessed it. I think it's kind of like a madlib situation.[00:33:00] Simon Last: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. It's, it's totally a, a deterministic. Oh, I thought it was great. Yes. Although, although when the, if you use the AI to set itself up, it can update its own name, so. Okay. Um,[00:33:11] Sarah Sachs: how did you create it? It, did you just do[00:33:12] Alsesio: classroom?I,[00:33:13] Sarah Sachs: okay.[00:33:13] Alsesio: I did, yeah. I'll say just check my inbox for applications for a coworking space. Keep a people, so it created the database for me. Which I have here. And I guess database is like an notion table because everything is notion. Um, and then whenever um, an email comes in, like here, it just creates a new role for the person.Mm-hmm. And then it uses web search to enrich the mm-hmm. The profile. So it kind of like searches the web and it's like, this is who this person is, this is when they say they wanna move in and kind of updates everything else. This is, I mean, it's not a GI, but to me, I don't wanna do this work. So it feels like, I mean, it took me maybe like 15 minutes to set up the whole thing.Um, and I really like that most of the information should live here. You know, it is not like some other tool asking me[00:34:01] Sarah Sachs: Yeah.[00:34:01] Alsesio: To like, bring my stuff there. It's like I would've probably already created an ocean thing.[00:34:06] Sarah Sachs: Mm-hmm.[00:34:06] Alsesio: So[00:34:07] Sarah Sachs: most of our biggest use cases and gains are from. That extra layer of human involvement in the process to make it so right.And so like one of our biggest use cases is bug triaging. So if someone posts something in Slack, can you just have a custom agent that lives there that has its own routing constitution of what team this belongs to, creates a task in your task database and then posts in that Slack channel, right? Like that's like one of the first things that we built internally, I think.And it's completely changed the way that notion functions as a company. Nothing falls through, well, most things don't fall through the crack. We don't know what we don't know. But it's not replacing people, it's replacing processes.[00:34:44] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:34:44] Sarah Sachs: Right.[00:34:45] Alsesio: And I'm curious how you think about composability of these things.So the other one I was working on is like a. These filler. So whenever somebody signs up as a tenant, kind of he'll sell the lease for them. There should probably some agent that is like office manager agent mm-hmm. That can handle the request, make the lease, and then, uh, give them a ADA access to the office and all of that.How do you think about that feature?[00:35:08] Simon Last: Yeah, so I mean, there's, there's two ways you can compose. One way is by using like the data primitives. So you can, you know, you, you could give, you have one agent, uh, be writing to the database and there's another agent that's walked in the database. So that's, that's one way that they, they can coordinate that's like a little bit more decoupled and mm-hmm.Works really well. Or you, you can couple them. So I, I think it's actually not released yet. Releasing it like next week is, uh, in the settings for an agent, you can give access to invoke any other agent.[00:35:34] swyx: Hmm.[00:35:34] Simon Last: So you can have them just. Just, uh, uh, talk directly. So[00:35:37] swyx: you, was there a limit on like, number of recursions or just,[00:35:40] Simon Last: um, probably,[00:35:42] swyx: you know what I mean?Like, you can just get an infinite loop that way there's[00:35:45] Simon Last: some kind of Yeah,[00:35:46] Sarah Sachs: I think it's, there is actually a number somewhere.[00:35:49] swyx: I believe I'm just, you know, like, you're, you're, someone's gonna screw up. You[00:35:51] Simon Last: should you try to see[00:35:53] swyx: Yeah. I mean, everything's gonna be paperclips.[00:35:55] Simon Last: Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but, but that's really useful.Yeah. So we, you know, like I just, I, I helped, uh, someone internally the other day, they had, they had built like over 30 custom agents for, uh, for our go to market team doing all kinds of different things. You know, for example, like researching, you know, like, like filling information about, about a customer or like, like triaging customer feedback or like, uh, something like that.Literally over 30 of them. And, and then he, and then he even made like a database of all the agents and then he is like, okay, and, and now I'm getting 70, over 70 notifications per day with just the agents are blocked on various things. Uh, and then I was like, oh, okay, cool. You know, the obvious thing to do there is to make a manager agent,[00:36:32] Sarah Sachs: right?[00:36:33] Simon Last: That's gonna sort of blocks be another abstraction layer in between your, your, uh, uh, 30 agents. Uh, so yeah, we, we send out with like a manager agent and then has access to invoke all the other agents and it's sort of like, like watching and observing them and then it sort of, it just creates a layer of abstraction.So instead of 70 notifications per day, it's like, like five. And then, and then the manager agent can help like, uh, debug and fix any problems with the,[00:36:54] swyx: does this is a concept of like an inbox or something like piece, you're basically saying that they can message each other?[00:37:00] Simon Last: Yeah.[00:37:01] Sarah Sachs: Well[00:37:01] swyx: they use the system of record, which, which is[00:37:02] Sarah Sachs: notion, so we[00:37:03] Simon Last: actually, yeah, we didn't make any special concepts at all.[00:37:06] swyx: They're interested to the motion notifications that I would've got,[00:37:09] Sarah Sachs: they can just like write a task to a database that the other agent's task to listening to, or they can actually call a web book to the agent, like they can just add the agent. Okay.[00:37:17] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, this is something that, that we're still working on.I, I think we, you know, like, like generally, generally the way we do these things is, you know, you first make it possible, maybe like a sort of janky way. So I, I, I think the way I set ‘em up is like, you know, we created like a new database that was sort of like issues mm-hmm. That the custom agents were, were experiencing, and then gave them all access to file an issue and then the manager has access to, to read the issues.Um, and that works pretty well, essentially like, like give it its own like internal issue tracker just for the agents. And then, you know, if that becomes a, a concept that seems useful, generally maybe we will think of how to package it in. But I mean, generally we try to just keep it to composing the primitive if we can.You know, another example of this is we have no built-in memory concept. Memory is, is just pages and databases. And so if you wanna give a memory, just give it a page and give it. Edit access to that page and the[00:38:03] swyx: human can edit it. Agent can edit[00:38:04] Simon Last: it. Yeah. And so that works, that pattern works extremely well on it.And you know, depending this case, you can have it be just a page or it could be an entire database with, you know, or, you know, I can have sub pages is is pretty on what you can do with that.[00:38:15] Alsesio: So when I was setting this up, uh, I connected my inbox and it was like, do you wanna use Gmail or Notion Mail? And I'm like, I don't wanna use Eater, I just want you to do it.I'm curious how you think about, you know, notion, mail, notion, calendar, all of these kind of ui ux interfaces, full stack[00:38:29] Simon Last: notion.[00:38:30] Alsesio: Yeah. When like at the same time you have the agents abstracting them away from you in a way, you know, how do you spend like the product calories so to speak?[00:38:37] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty important that you don't have to use, not your mail to connect to the mail capability.So we can just connect to Gmail or, or whatever you want, uh, to use. And we're thinking of the mail service as being really great to the extent that it's really agent built, right? So maybe the mail app is just sort of a prepackaged agent that helps you automate your, your inbox.[00:39:00] Alsesio: Yeah, the auto labeling is great.Think[00:39:03] Sarah Sachs: the, when we, um, integrate with Gmail for instance, we have a series of tools available that are available via MCP or API to Gmail. When we integrate with Notion Mail, we have the Notion Mail engineering team to build us the, um, exact right tools that optimize latency, optimize performance and quality.They own that quality. Um, there's product leads there. They're directly thinking about the user problems that happen in mail. So it tends to be when we build integrations and connections, we build natively first. Um, and then think about, um, extending them generally just because it's also easier. Mm-hmm. Um, um, to build natively first.Um, so that tends to be how we phase things out.[00:39:43] swyx: Talking about integrations, you prompted me, so I gotta ask. M-C-P-C-L-I. What's going on? What's the[00:39:48] Simon Last: Yeah. Opinion. I think, I mean, I'm, I'm definitely bullish and excited about cli. I think there's a few really cool things about cli. So one really cool thing is like, um, is that it's in the terminal environment, so it gets a bunch of extra power.So it, you know, for example, it can like, like paginating and cursor through like long outputs. Um, and it has a progressive disclosure inherently. Uh, so, you know, you don't see all the tools at once. It's just, you see the CLI wrapper and you can like use the, the help commands and, and, and read files. And then I think the most important thing that's, that's super cool is that there, it's also inherently a, a bootstrapped.So if there's an issue, uh, the agent can debug and fix itself within the same environment that it uses the tool.[00:40:30] swyx: Mm.[00:40:30] Simon Last: Right. Like, you know, I think I saw a tweet this morning. Someone said, you know, my agent didn't have a browser, so I asked it to make all a browser tool and within a hundred lines of code, it gave itself a little browser, like, like wrapping the, the, the chromium API, um.That's pretty incredible. And then if there was a bug, it would just immediately try to fix it. Mm-hmm. Right. On the other hand, if you use an, you know, if you use like of, of the Chrome dev tools, MCP, I've had this issue where like, like sometimes the transport gets like messed up. If it gets messed up, the agent has no way to fix itself.It, it no longer has a browser, it's, it's not broken. Right. I think that's, that's pretty fundamental, but I would say like a lot of the, the bad things about it can be fixed. Uh, so I think like, as a progressive disclosure, that can be fixed with, with right harness. Like, it, it obviously doesn't make sense to show it all the tools all the time.That's not really inherent to the MCP protocol. It's just like how you wrap it and use it.[00:41:16] swyx: There's many poorly built MCPs because we didn't know.[00:41:19] Simon Last: Yeah, yeah. I mean it was just early, like, like the obvious thing is, uh, you know, to start with is, is to just show it all the tools and it's like, okay, now we have a hundred tools.Yeah. And like the tool calling actually works. So let's of[00:41:28] swyx: your success[00:41:29] Simon Last: give it a way to like, like filter to source the tools. So yeah, I would say like broadly speaking, I'm really bullish on cli. I'm still bullish on CPS and in a certain environment. I think in, in particular, CP is really great for when you want sort of like a narrow, lightweight agent.I think there's, there's definitely a lot of use cases where, where you don't want like a full coding agent with a compute run time. And also you want it to be like more tightly permissioned. MCP inherently has a really strong permission model, like all you can do is call the tools. A CLI is a little bit murkier.It's like, can I access the, if PI token are you, like, properly sort of like re-encrypt the token so it can't like exfiltrate it, it introduce a lot of like, like new issues, which are. Real and hard to solve. And MCP is just like the dumb simple thing that works and it that it's pretty good.[00:42:12] Sarah Sachs: I'll add two more perspectives, not from it working well for Notion, but how notion like commits to both platforms.Notion is dedicated to being the best system of record for where people do their enterprise work. So we will always support our MCP and so far as other people are using cps, right? So regardless of our perspective, we've put a lot of effort into our MCP and we have a fantastic team that we're building, um, to do more there.And the second thing I'll say, I think, um, we all think a lot, but lately I've been thinking a lot about making sure there's a value alignment and pricing, um, with capability.[00:42:43] swyx: Literally our next question[00:42:44] Sarah Sachs: and. Needing language to execute deterministic tasks feels wasteful and requiring on a language model to interface with third party providers seems wasteful for tasks that don't require it.And particularly because our custom agents are using usage-based pricing. We think of pricing as like the barrier of entry for use of our product, and we're quite committed to making sure that it's not wasteful. Um, not just because it's a bad deal for our customers, but it's also bad business. We wanna have as many buyers, like there's a, there's an elasticity of demand and so if we can have our agents properly execute code that calls on CLI deterministically, it's a one-time cost, right?Versus constantly having a language model integrate with an MCP over and over and over and paying those like repeated token fees and it's happening outside the cash window, then you're paying for it over and over and over and it's just kind of unnecessary and less deterministic when it doesn't have to be.[00:43:36] Alessio: Yeah, the open-endedness I think is like, the main thing is like, well, if I go write code to just call an API, I would never use an MCP. But then you need an NCP sometimes when you know what to call, but you don't want it to restart versus like, I think the it built a browser from scratch is like, it's great when you're doing it on your own, but like if your customers were having your AI write a browser from scratch every time and you had to pay the token cost of that, yeah.You'd be like, no, no. The Chrome dev tools CP is actually pretty great. Just use that. I'm curious, how do you make that decision? Like should it be. Just straight API call very narrow. Should it be an MCP? Should it be super open-ended?[00:44:10] Sarah Sachs: Do you mean for when we ship notion capabilities or when we add capabilities to[00:44:13] Alessio: notion[00:44:14] Sarah Sachs: AI or,[00:44:14] Alessio: I mean, you might have a capability that the only way to do is an open-ended agent, like an agent with a coding sandbox.[00:44:21] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. In Notion ai they're not explicit, not We also ship an MCP.[00:44:24] Alsesio: Yeah. Yeah. In B,[00:44:25] Sarah Sachs: yeah.[00:44:26] Alsesio: Internally. Okay. Like is there ever a discussion of like, we're not gonna ship it because we're not able to tie it down? Or are you happy to just like,[00:44:33] Sarah Sachs: um, no. I mean, there are a lot of things where we choose not to use MCP because we wanna add more high touch to quality.I think search an agent to find is like the largest instance of that, where we have. Um, slack and linear and Jira search and notion that is not using necessarily the search MCP functionality that is provided by those companies. And that's because it's quite critical we think, to how our agent trajectories work is for us to have a little bit more control on the functionality of the search journey.And so it usually comes from quality and there's a long tail of things and that's why we built an MCP client or an MCP server, excuse me, so that people can connect whatever they want. There's that long tail, right. But we, for search particularly, I would say that's like the primary entry point, but there are other connections as well that it's a little bit of secret sauce a

L'intelligence artificielle s'invite désormais dans nos parcours d'achat et impacte la relation entre marques et consommateurs. Fini le temps où l'on scrollait pendant des heures sur des sites e-commerce : l'IA agentique promet de devenir notre personal shopper universel, capable de comprendre nos besoins, de recommander des produits et d'acheter à notre place. De ChatGPT à TikTok Shop, les canaux se multiplient et le tunnel d'achat traditionnel s'efface au profit d'une consommation instantanée où découverte et achat ne font plus qu'un. Dans cet épisode d'Écoutons le Futur, quatre experts analysent cette métamorphose du commerce digital : de la montée en puissance des LLM dans les recherches d'achat à l'importance de la transparence et de la réglementation de ces outils. Ils explorent comment les entreprises doivent repenser leur stratégie digitale pour passer du SEO au GEO, créer des expériences omnicanales cohérentes et repositionner l'humain sur des missions à forte valeur ajoutée. Un débat riche sur l'avenir du e-commerce, entre opportunités technologiques et impératifs éthiques.Présents sur notre plateau :- Alexandre Audouin-Fils, Directeur Marketing chez SPOTICAR & Stellantis- Angelica Reyes, Directrice Marketing de Skeepers- Eric Dadian, Président de l'Association Française de la Relation Client- Maxime Girardeau, Directeur associé chez Capgemini en charge de l'innovation et de l'IA pour le secteur du luxeUne émission animée par Valère Corréard Découvrez comment l'IA peut enrichir l'expérience client, préserver les savoir-faire, et accompagner une consommation plus responsable, sans jamais s'imposer avec notre livre l'IA Invisible

Every day, I hear patients share worries shaped by the growing wave of vaccine misinformation—questions that reveal just how overwhelming today's “infodemic” has become. In this podcast, I explore what vaccine hesitancy really looks like and how pharmacists can use empathy, strong recommendations, and meaningful dialogue to help rebuild confidence in immunization.Presenter:Mary Barna Bridgeman, PharmD, BCPS, BCGPClinical ProfessorErnest Mario School of PharmacyRutgers, The State University of New JerseyPiscataway, New JerseyInternal Medicine Clinical Pharmacy SpecialistRobert Wood Johnson University Hospital-New BrunswickNew Brunswick, New JerseyLink to full program:https://bit.ly/4oHDWZqGet access to all of our new episodes by subscribing to the Decera Clinical Education Infectious Diseases Podcast on Apple Podcasts, YouTube Music, or Spotify Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Why Quizzes Build Trust (and How to Create One That Works)   Quizzes aren't just fun, they're powerful lead magnets that build connection, deliver insight, and convert curious prospects into engaged students.   In this episode of the Lead Magnets That Still Convert Series, I'm breaking down: ✔️ Why quizzes are still one of the most effective opt-ins ✔️ The four elements of a great quiz (and how to nail each one) ✔️ How to design questions that feel simple, fun, and confidence-building  ✔️ What to do with quiz results so you nurture, not lose, your new leads   Hit play now and learn how to create a quiz that sparks engagement and sets you up for sales!  

Why Checklists Still Convert (When Done Right)   Lead magnets aren't dead, but the way we use them has changed.    In the first episode of my brand-new Lead Magnets That Still Convert Series, I'm diving into one of my favorite opt-ins: the step-by-step checklist.   You'll learn: ✔️ Why checklists still work in today's AI-driven landscape ✔️ How to design a checklist that delivers micro-wins and builds trust ✔️ The role of your story and social proof in making it irresistible ✔️ The “sweet spot” for checklist length (hint: less is more!)  

Our resident in the mix series continues with another outstanding mix from SPICE. Get your ears round this.1. “Electronic Universe” (Extended Mix) – Tom Sommerson. (Truesounds Music).2. “Red Lights From Afar” (Ruben Karapetyan Remix) – Maze 28. (RKP).3. “Unmoving” (Remixes)(Hernan Cattaneo & Marcelo Vasami Remix) – East Café. (Embliss).4. “Emily” (Original Mix) – Valen Gonzalez. (Droid9).5. “Hypnotic” (Original Mix) – Taleon. (Undercool Productions).6. “Neverland” (Original Mix) – Michael A. (Musical Euphoria).7. “Modulator” (Original Mix) – Michael A. (Proton Music).8. “Silence Becomes You” (Original Mix) – Redspace. (PURRFECTION).9. “Re Enabled One” (Original Mix) – Ace Cat. (MNL).10. “Character” (Original Mix) – Agustin Bertolotti. (AH Digital).11. “Another Galaxy” (Original Mix) – Agustin Pietrocola. (Droid9).12. “Third Earth” (Federico Monachesi Remix) – Brisboys. (Brisbeats).13. “Angelos” (Original Mix) – Carlos Bacchus. (Balkan Connection).14. “Interiser” (Original Mix) – Lexicon Avenue, Fordal. (Ray Of Light).15. “Monocroma” (Original Mix) – Lucho Bragagnolo. (Traful).16. “Lost My Skin” (Original Mix) – MATTIC (BR). (Optin).17. “Soul Shifter” (Liam Garcia Remix) – Mind Conspiracy. (RKP).18. “Abelton Crash” (Extended Mix) – Redspace, Atique, Al Park. (Univack).19. “Tunna” (EANP Remix) – DERK, DEMIS (AR). (Golden Wings Music).20. “Rocket Jam” (Original Mix) – Will DeKeizer. (Plattenbank).21. “Gothamania” (Remixes)(Lexicon Avenue Remix) – Cass (UK). (Stripped).22. “Aphelion” (Original Mix) – Lucas Zarate. (Zenebona).

I want to hear your thoughts about the show and this episode. Text us here...Ever wonder how to write emails that actually sound like you—without overthinking it, over-editing, or overcomplicating it?In this powerful, laugh-out-loud and truth-filled episode of Casa De Confidence, I'm joined by the incredible Liz Wilcox—email marketing strategist, Survivor finalist, and self-proclaimed Fresh Princess of Email.Yep, she's walked the wild jungles of both reality TV and the online business world… and she's here to give us the real-talk version of how to make email marketing feel doable, effective, and—dare I say—fun.Whether you're still avoiding your email platform or trying to figure out what a “lead magnet” even is, Liz has the simplest and most effective roadmap for using your email list to make real money online (without burning out or pretending to be someone you're not).What You'll Learn in This Episode:How Liz went from RV blogger with bad internet to email marketing queen The #1 hurdle most entrepreneurs face with email (and how to get over it)The real difference between telling stories and just being human in your emailsWhy your email list is your best business asset—and how to treat it that wayHow Liz built a $1M business with a $9/month membership The role of consiThis deeply personal and powerful memoir chronicles Pastor Bill LaMorey's transformation from brokenness to redemption and ultimately, to a life of purpose and leadership. The book is structured like a play with three “Acts”: Brokenness, Redemption, and Transformation. Throughout, he blends personal storytelling with universal truths, aiming to help others recognize the redemptive potential in their own stories.

In this dynamic episode of The ME Show, Ali Mehdaoui sits down with the powerhouse speaker, real estate broker, and transformational coach Lorna Sherland—a woman who came to America with just $50 and a mission. From her roots in Jamaica to navigating corporate America and launching a successful real estate and coaching career, Lorna shares what it really takes to break through limiting beliefs and own your identity as a woman, immigrant, and entrepreneur.Lorna dives deep into the mindset shifts that helped her move from hustle to sustainable success, the importance of being whole before entering relationships, and how authenticity unlocks both personal and professional growth. With a heart for women ready to stop playing small, she unveils the vision behind her AccelerateHER breakthrough event—an experience designed to help high-achieving women rewrite their stories, scale their businesses, and live with purpose.Whether you're a woman balancing multiple roles, seeking clarity, or ready to create a life that thrives instead of just survives, this episode delivers the tough love and transformational insights you didn't know you needed.Key Topics:Identity & reinventionNavigating corporate America as a woman of colorBreaking income ceilings through mindset & communityThe truth about grit vs. grindEmpowered singlehood & authentic relationshipsCreating a ripple effect through impact-driven coaching

**KARE Rx Partners helps you get the best price by creating a network of pharmacies to sell together in 4-5 years, attracting higher bids from investors and private equity!** **Show Notes:** 1. **Introduction to Care RX Partners** [0:00] 2. **Understanding Care RX Partners' Model ** [1:12] 3. **Operational Efficiencies and Benefits** [3:19] 4. **Joining Care RX Partners: Terms and Conditions** [4:33] 5. **Advice for Pharmacy Owners in 2025** [6:17] Fill out the form here: https://sfyx-zgpvh.maillist-manage.net/ua/Optin?od=11287ecb87d220&zx=12c7072f8&tD=1aebbcaa6919c029&sD=1aebbcaa6d6686f4 Watch this Free Webinar – Learn how KARE Rx Partners works: https://vimeo.com/1025811828?share=copy Essential Guide for Pharmacy Owners - Discover key insights on pharmacy valuation (Ebook): https://diversifyrx.com/whats-your-pharmacy-worth-an-essential-guide-for-independent-pharmacy-owners/ Pharmacy Valuation Worksheet – Calculate your pharmacy's worth today: https://diversifyrx.com/pharmacy-valuation-worksheet/ Websites Mentioned: https://www.drlisafaast.com/ ----- #### **Becoming a Badass Pharmacy Owner Podcast is a Proud to be Apart of the Pharmacy Podcast Network**

How do we bridge the gap between education and employment? In this episode, we dive into the Thriving Workforce section of Talent EVV's annual report. Join us as we speak with BJ Watts (Executive Director of OptIN), Robin Woebkenberg (Counselor & CTE Program Operations at OptIN), and Annie Hills (Chief of Staff at Old National Bank) about how local businesses and schools are creating hands-on learning opportunities for students—ensuring they're not just prepared for the workforce but thriving in it. From apprenticeships to industry-driven training, this conversation highlights the power of partnerships in shaping the future of Evansville's economy.Show NotesTalent EVV's Annual ReportBosse High School Principle Aaron Huff's talk at Imagine Evansville Explore OPT-IN

Nick Cedarlund joins the ClickBank Affiliated podcast to reveal the data you need to be tracking at all times in order to have successful email campaigns that convert. If you are suffering from any email marketing woes currently then this is the perfect podcast for you to watch so you can learn how to conquer the trials you are facing. Optin: https://nextgenemail.com/optin/ Calendly: https://calendly.com/nextgenemail-team/discovery?month=2025-01 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nick.cedarlund Connect with Nick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-cedarlund-96393941/ Email Us - affiliated@clickbank.com

Recently, I tried to buy an online course and hit a wall - a multi-page assessment stood between me and the information I needed. Frustrated, I walked away without purchasing.     I don't want potential buyers leaving your course or offer because of unnecessary hurdles!     This episode, I'm sharing five ways to reduce friction in your marketing, so your clients and students stick around to get what they need. Discover how to: ✔️ Make your offers transparent and clear;  ✔️ Eliminate scroll and click frustrations;  ✔️ Remove barriers that make your audience think twice; ✔️ And keep it personal while maintaining ease for buyers.     It's best to test your process. How can you support your potential buyers with a more seamless experience?    Would you like a seamless course creation and marketing experience for yourself and your students? Apply for Done-For-You and let's GET IT DONE together! 

Send us a textLess than 2 years ago, you'd likely never heard of GLP-1 mediations. Today, it's on the tip of everyone's tongue as the solution to weight management, has longstanding organizations like Weight Watchers on the verge of bankruptcy and is making employee benefits coverage for employers more difficult than ever due to the cost. How does it work? Why are so many people talking about it? What are the potential dangers? And are there safe, smart ways to proceed down this path?We are extremely fortunate today to have physician Dr. Sheri Poznanovic and nationally board-certified health & wellness coach Erin Chain join us on today's episode of The Coaching Lab podcast. Known as Dr. Sheri, Poznanovic is triple board certified in Nutrition, Lifestyle, and Obesity Medicine. After more than 15 years as a practicing pediatric ENT surgeon in Colorado, her career focus shifted to lifestyle, wellness, and nutrition counseling. She also has a Master of Science degree in Nutrition and Human Performance, and has had her work published in peer-reviewed journals. She is the founder of Optin Health & Nutrition, a comprehensive nutrition & lifestyle medicine practice in Colorado. Contact Optin via pozmd@optin4health.com or (303) 495-9013Erin Chain is a physical therapist and nationally board certified health & wellness coach. She works with Dr. Sheri on the lifestyle management side of the equation and brings an exceptional background to the table. For details about the functional mental toughness specialty certification, please see: https://www.catalystcoachinginstitute.com/education/specialty-certifications/OptIn is a comprehensive nutrition and lifestyle medicine practice focused on helping individuals reclaim their nutritional well-being and heighten their human performance through healthier living.  Whether you're seeking help with disease prevention and management, weight loss, or sports nutrition, OptIn's approach is always Optimized and Individualized to each client's needs.Erin is thrilled to discuss the use of Dr Brad Coopers FMT Model with coaches that are interested- please reach out to her at erin@catalystcoaching360.com- She is happy to set up a 15 minute complimentary call with coaches interested in incorporating the FMT model into their practice or patients interested  in learning more about Optin and the services we provide!Looking for weekly tips, tricks and turbo boosts to enhance your life? Sign up for the CATALYST COMPASS here, a brief weekly compilation of ideas, evidence-based concepts and encouragement to improve your personal and professional life! Info re earning your health & wellness coaching certification, annual Rocky Mountain Coaching Retreat & Symposium & more via https://www.catalystcoachinginstitute.com/ Best-in-class coaching for Employers, EAPs & wellness providers https://catalystcoaching360.com/ YouTube Coaching Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/CoachingChannel Contact us: Results@CatalystCoaching360.comTwitter: @Catalyst2ThriveWebsite: CatalystCoaching360.comIf you are a current or future health & wellness coach, please check out our Health & Wellness Coaching Community on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/278207545599218. This is a wonderful group if you are looking for encouragement, ideas, resources and more.

While social media is still the best way to grow your business, it can quickly be "too much". What if you just took a break from it? Or what if it wasn't available?  Would you still be able to run and grow your business? How would you make money?  Important Links:  Check out my experiment with reels HERE If you need a tool to build your email list visit my all-in-one marketing software Equipt360!  Needing a Virtual Assistant? Go to BizAssistAgency.com

In this special episode of the Educated, Empowered, Inspired podcast, we dive deep into the stages of business growth with a focus on our exclusive Business Success Blueprint. This blueprint, crafted from 20 years of business experience, provides a step-by-step guide to growing a business that is not only profitable but also enjoyable and sustainable.Key Takeaways:Business Breakthrough: Focus on defining your business offer, audience, and messaging. Essential for those in the early stages of their business to set a strong foundation and avoid common pitfalls like lack of clarity and direction.Marketing Momentum: Develop a cohesive brand and a strategic marketing plan. This stage emphasizes the importance of consistency in messaging and the need for a detailed content calendar to enhance audience growth and engagement.From Social to Sales: Transition from social media engagement to building a robust email list that converts. Utilize lead magnets and nurture sequences to deepen relationships and boost sales through targeted email marketing strategies.Sustainable Success: Aim for scalability and efficiency through advanced marketing tactics and automation. This final stage focuses on refining offers and employing systems like CRM to ensure business operations are smooth and customer experiences are exceptional.Join us as we outline each stage with practical action items and discuss how to navigate from one phase to the next, ensuring steady growth and long-term success in your entrepreneurial journey. Free Resources:Book Your Marketing Makeover Strategy Session - https://link.equipt360.com/widget/bookings/shellyniehaus-marketingmakeoverThe Business Power Hour - https://shellyniehaus.ck.page/businesspowerhourEmail Quickstart Guide - https://shellyniehaus.ck.page/emailguideWeekly Women Entrepreneurs In Prayer Call - https://shellyniehaus.ck.page/prayercall Connect with Shelly Niehaus:Website: https://coaching.shellyniehaus.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/educated.empowered.inspiredInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shellyniehaus/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelly-niehaus-7680652/Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@shellyniehauscoaching

Curious what it's like to bring your ads in-house?Today's case study gives you an inside look at the numbers and ads management process of a non-ads agency business spending more than $1 million yearly on Meta (aka Facebook & Instagram) ad campaigns. Again, these are their own campaigns and dollars, not ad spend for clients.After watching her cost per lead rise while her profit margin shrunk, Nicki Krawzcyk, creator of the Circuit Sales System and founder of Nicki K Media, decided it was time to let go of her ads agency and bring ads in-house.Not only did this move reduce her monthly management fees by 80% (from $3K in agency service retainers to just $600 to run her own ads), but it also helped her to understand her target audience faster and deeper than ever before.Find out if you're ready to run your ads internally with Nicki's 4 reflection questions, what type of ads are working best in 2024, and why adding a double opt-in is an underrated sales strategy.View the transcript for this episode at: https://otter.ai/u/zXyCb6_lbsAPfNGMjAm1YcbrXgs?utm_source=copy_urlThank you to our sponsor!Try the #1 all-in-one E-commerce platform: Shopify! Sign up for a one dollar per month trial period at https://shopify.com/ellenConnect with Nicki:Sell + scale your your course or program on autopilot! Watch Nicki's free video: http://circuitsalessystem.com/ceoInstagram: @CircuitSalesSystemLink mentioned in this episode: Check out Tara Zirker's Successful Ads Club to learn how to create profitable ads that grow your company: https://view.flodesk.com/emails/6585fb0a4cf245819a3f56daIconic business leaders all have their own unique genius. Take this quick 10 question quiz to uncover your specific CEO style advantage: https://ellenyin.com/quizIf you enjoyed today's episode, please:Post a screenshot & key takeaway on your IG story and tag me @missellenyin & @cubicletoceo so we can repost you.Leave a positive review or rating at www.ratethispodcast.com/cubicletoceoSubscribe for new episodes every Monday.Join our C-Suite membership to get bonus episodes! Check out everything our members get at https://ellenyin.com/csuite

Enter to win a $4,999 travel credit from G Adventures by October 31st (valid for US listeners only): https://gadventures.com/wishlist We love a woman with a strong stance on marketing, and today's guest does not disappoint.Kirsten Roldan is a firm believer that millionaires send emails. Period. Her program - Million Dollar Email - makes businesses social media optional by helping CEOs scale revenue to the million dollar mark with only a small email list. To show she walks the walk, Kirsten achieved that milestone herself with a then-list size of 500 subscribers.Rather than take a ten thousand foot view of her email strategy, we get granular in today's case study by dissecting one single email that made $24,000, going line by line with a fine tooth comb. We'll get into all the details - open rate, click-through rate, subject line, time of send, order in the email sequence, CTA, and more. Not one to shy away from polarizing strategies, Kirsten also lets us in on how she sends 5-10 emails a DAY during a launch while sustaining a low unsubscribe rate, why she doesn't bother segmenting her list for most email sends or tracking open rates and clicks in real-time, and why she won't give her students email templates. This thought-provoking conversation is fire, and not just because of the hot takes. Let's analyze.View the transcript for this episode at: https://otter.ai/u/p9x_UjS2troekuTIxDNCPCwzTtM?utm_source=copy_urlConnect with Kirsten:Claim your spot on Kirsten's waitlist for Million Dollar Emails: https://kirstenroldan.com/mde-waitlistLook at Kirsten's opt-in form: https://kirstenroldan.com/Million Dollar Peace Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/million-dollar-peace/id1503757464https://instagram.com/kirstenroldanIconic business leaders all have their own unique genius. Take this quick 10 question quiz to uncover your specific CEO style advantage: https://ellenyin.com/quizIf you enjoyed today's episode, please:Leave a positive review or rating at www.ratethispodcast.com/cubicletoceoSign up for our text notifications at ellenyin.com/superfan so you can be the first to know when a new case study has dropped!Post a screenshot & key takeaway on your IG story and tag us @missellenyin & @cubicletoceo

In this episode, let's talk email... and how easy it can be to get your email newsletter up and running! Host Julie Hood shares some of her secrets to use an email list to connect and build a relationship with potential students. Get the fulll show notes at https://CourseCreatorsHQ.com/159  CALENDAR REMINDERS  - all in 2023: Sept 5 – Effortless Email -  Setup of your email newsletter, landing page, your freebie, your routine and yourOct 2 – Topic and Title Challenge! FREEOctober 11 – 24 Hour Course Creator Daily starts LINKS MENTIONED     3 Ways to Work Together - 1. Let my team setup your email newsletter in ConvertKit or Kajabi - you send us your free gift and we'll do the rest. Get more details when you contact Julie by email or through Messenger on Facebook here.  2. Lifetime course access + Live Coaching  Sept 5 - Oct 10 - Effortless Email for Course Creators - Sign Up Here  3. Membership course access  + Live Coaching  Sept 5 - Oct 10 - Sign Up Here. RELATED EPISODES  E130:  3 Tips and 3 Secrets to Make Email Marketing Easy!E090: 7 Big Email Mistakes Online Course Creators MakeE052:  Email Marketing – The 6 Cs for Online Course CreatorsE038:  Email Marketing Secrets for Course CreatorsKEY TAKEAWAYS FOR ONLINE COURSE CREATORS  List of what you need to setup: Email newsletter tool (ConvertKit or all-in-one like Kajabi)Free gift (report / mini-course) Optin page with your Privacy PolicyThank you pageWelcome email message that delivers the freebie – you don't have to create a funnel when you get started!  Lot of nuances to doing these 5 steps well – which is what we are getting into throughout Sept, but I have time to give you a couple here:Keep your optin page simple (we will be sharing the templatePick a free gift that is early in the process – BEFORE your course!Subject lines are SO important – and AI can definitely help you with copywriting and give you some ideas for even better subject lines! We also talked about what to say each week and what to say if it's been months since you emailed your list! COME VISIT!  FREE 2023 Ultimate Course Creators Planner -  https://coursecreatorshq.com/2023planner  Sign up for my email list and get this free course  Is My Course Idea Any Good? here.   GoodPods Let's talk about this episode on GoodPods – https://CourseCreatorsHQ.com/goodpods (mobile only, download the app first) Clubhouse Connect with me on Clubhouse for FREE masterclasses at @JulieHood.Website https://www.CourseCreatorsHQ.comFacebook https://www.facebook.com/CourseCreatorsHQInstagram  https://www.instagram.com/CourseCreatorsHQTwitter https://www.Twitter.com/CourseHQThreadshttps://www.threads.net/@coursecreatorshq  Disclaimers  https://coursecreatorshq.com/disclaimers/  

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Lynndon (Lynn) Thomas is currently the Director of Global Missions for the Missions Ministry Team of the Cumberland Presbyterian denomination. Lynn's introduction to the mission field took place in his teenage years. He later attended Bethel and then Memphis Theological Seminary. After seminary, he married Nona Young Thomas, and they moved to Colombia, South America as missionaries. They returned in 1998 to the USA after eleven years on the mission field, where Lynn assumed the position of Director of Cross-Culture Missions USA. He facilitated planting churches in the USA among immigrant populations. He then took the position of Director of Global Missions and worked with Cumberland Presbyterian missionaries and mission fields outside the USA for twelve years. Lynn will leave his position at the end of June, 2023 and assume a new role as the Director of Program Development for OptIN, the trade school for Christian formation (Scottsboro Cumberland Presbyterian Church).Music is provided by Pierce Murphy, Caldera Blue. Source:  https://www.freemusicarchive.org/music/Pierce_Murphy/through-the-olive-branches/caldera-blueComments: http://freemusicarchive.org/Additional comments:  modifications made to shorten and loop song for introduction and closing of podcast.Copyright Attribution and License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

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Use code TALKIN for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/TALKIN Enjoy baseball around the clock with the start of the new season. Download and play MLB 9 Innings 23 https://bit.ly/MLB_9I_Jomboy_2023 Visit http://get.bluemoonbeer.com/BASEBALL to see delivery options.  Call (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Gambling Problem? Call 877- 8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (CO/IL/IN/LA/MD/MI/NJ/OH/PA/TN/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MA/MD/MI /NH /NJ/ NY/OH/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. VOID IN ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Bet $5 Get $150 offer (void in NH/OR): Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 pre-game moneyline bet. Bet must win. $150 issued as six (6) $25 bonus bets. Bonus Bets rewards are non-cashable and cannot be withdrawn. Bonus bets must be wagered 1x and stake is not included in any returns or winnings. Bonus Bets expire 7 days (168 hours) after being awarded. Ends 5/28/23 at 11:59PM ET. Stepped up Parlay (void in OR): 1 Stepped Up Same Game Parlay Token issued per eligible MLB gameday during the 2023-2024 MLB season at DraftKings' discretion. Optin req. for each eligible game. Max $50 bet. Token must be applied BEFORE placing bet. Min. 3 -legs. Each leg must be -500 odds or longer. Total bet must be +100 odds or longer. Profit boosted each addt'l leg, up to 100% on additional winnings (10+ legs for 100% boost). Issued Tokens expire at the start of the last eligible game on each gameday. Ends at the start of the final game each day when offered. See terms for both offers at sportsbook.draftkings.com/baseballterms +++++ Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 3:45 Ranking Home Run Celebrations 31:20 Proposing New Celebrations 44:00 Rays are 11-0! 50:45 Evan Gattis Talked About the 2017 Astros

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Call (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Gambling Problem? Call 877- 8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (CO/IL/IN/LA/MD/MI/NJ/OH/PA/TN/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MA/MD/MI /NH /NJ/ NY/OH/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. VOID IN ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Bet $5 Get $150 offer (void in NH/OR): Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 pre-game moneyline bet. Bet must win. $150 issued as six (6) $25 bonus bets. Bonus Bets rewards are non-cashable and cannot be withdrawn. Bonus bets must be wagered 1x and stake is not included in any returns or winnings. Bonus Bets expire 7 days (168 hours) after being awarded. Ends 5/28/23 at 11:59PM ET. Stepped up Parlay (void in OR): 1 Stepped Up Same Game Parlay Token issued per eligible MLB gameday during the 2023-2024 MLB season at DraftKings' discretion. Optin req. for each eligible game. Max $50 bet. Token must be applied BEFORE placing bet. Min. 3 -legs. Each leg must be -500 odds or longer. Total bet must be +100 odds or longer. Profit boosted each addt'l leg, up to 100% on additional winnings (10+ legs for 100% boost). Issued Tokens expire at the start of the last eligible game on each gameday. Ends at the start of the final game each day when offered. See terms for both offers at sportsbook.draftkings.com/baseballterms +++++ 0:00 The Baseball 8:00 The NBA 12:50 Jeff Passan Joins Us Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A 3% conversion rate is pretty standard in the online marketing industry, but what happens to the 97% of people who don't buy? They were interested in learning more about your program enough just a week or two before to opt-in, so what gives?We tend to hyper fixate on the 3% and completely forget about the 97%. So on today's episode, I am sharing why you shouldn't forget about the 97%, and how to keep them engaged and ready to buy. In this episode, I am sharing:The real reason people don't buy the first time they see your offerWhat you are missing out on if you ghost them after a launch3 simple strategies to keep your offer top of mind so they purchase when they are ready__ Thank you so much for listening! If you enjoyed today's episode, can you leave us a 5-star rating and review on your preferred podcast app?I know if you listen to a lot of podcasts, you have heard this a ton, but whoever created podcasts made it the key metric for podcast growth and performance.Reviews help us get seen. Plus, we all like hearing nice things about ourselves, right? You look so good in those jeans, and I LOVE your hair.See! Felt good, didn't it!You can also connect with us right on Instagram! Its @quantumcoursecreator. We'd love to connect! We'd even tell you to your insta-face that those jeans look great on you. Really tho- did you do something new with your hair? ;) www.JessOConnell.com

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How would you like to DOUBLE your conversions after prospect opt-in for a lead magnet? I mean… who wouldn't like that, right? Now one thing that keeps us, as direct marketers, from reaching new heights, is our ingrown conservatism. Which is normally a good thing. When something works, we stick to it. Other people in marketing and advertising often seem to compete to see how much money they can waste by being “creative” and trying out whatever comes to mind in the moment. Meanwhile, direct marketers see their job as making money for their clients. So we tend to stay focused on what has proven to work in the past. And most of the time, it's a good idea. But sometimes, sticking too narrowly to the tried-and-true can box us in. We have to balance our data-driven decisions with breakthrough innovations that could still conceivably work within the bounds of direct marketing. Enter Jason Strachan. He's our returning champion today. Jason is a bold copywriter and marketer who's willing to jump out of the box to try something new and see if it works better. Of course he's not the only one in our business who takes these kind of risks. But he is one of the few I've ever talked to who has taken a controversial, yet proven new idea, adapted it, and gotten outstanding results. So Jason didn't try something entirely out of the blue. He did use a proven concept. The difference is, the concept Jason was about to try had been used in a different context, and some very experienced people doubted it would work the way Jason wanted to use it. But Jason stuck with it, and it worked — big time! For his promotions so far, his adaptation of the idea led to a 40% conversion rate on an upsell, and, more important for todays show, more than DOUBLING the conversion after an opt-in from a lead magnet. On today's show, Jason walked us through the typical optin sequence, and explained the thinking behind it. The old way has worked very well for a lot of marketers, and it's worth taking a few minutes to understand where we're starting. Then, Jason explained how he learned about this new approach, and the outsize results he got on a couple of campaigns — even though experienced direct marketers were very skeptical about the idea ahead of time when Jason ran it by them. This is a little-known strategy well worth learning about and considering using for your own promotions. How to get in touch with Jason and get his book: advertisingalchemy at gmail dot com www.10magicwords.com/book Download.

Mike and Alex discuss the following topics: - Knicks lose in OT to the Grizzlies - Nets get smacked by the Pelicans - Cam Reddish has ARRIVED - Ben Simmons has NOT arrived - Thibs and his silly rotations - Steve Nash is great at clapping - Lee Valentine's BWF beat report - Jets and Giants talk - Yankees lose Follow us on Twitter: Alex - @KnicksCentral Mike - @MikeDeliversPod If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/TN/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MI/NH/NJ/ NY/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. $200 in Free bets: New customers only. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 pregame moneyline bet. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Bet must win. Ends 1/8/23 @ 8pm. Risk-Free Stepped Up SGP: 1 Token issued per eligible game. Optin req. Min $1 bet. Max bet limits apply. Min. 3-leg. Each leg min. -300 odds, total bet +100 odds or longer. Ends at start of final game of the 2022-2023 NBA Season. See eligibility & terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/basketballterms.

Does that freebie or opt-in you have still make sense? This Powerback is all about bringing awareness back to what's working (or not) when it comes to your opt-in and email list.But maybe you don't even have an opt-in. And that's cool, too. This episode is about bringing awareness and alignment back to your email marketing strategy. And if you don't have one yet, even better! You can get started with the right foot forward.Let's talk about what an opt-in is, how to know if it's working, mistakes that you can avoid, tips to create an opt-in that feels aligned, and two questions you can ask yourself to give you clarity when creating or updating your opt-in.Resources from this episodeJoin the Gutsy Collective - The Gutsy Collective is a community of energetically driven female entrepreneurs + visionaries who desire meaningful growth – mentally, physically, and energetically. Join us online or in-person for monthly mentorship to reignite your fire and get the answers you seek.Alignment Sessions: get fast + clear answers –  Sometimes, you simply need a fresh set of eyes and clear direction on what step to take next. Alignment Sessions are 90-min individual coaching sessions designed to help you realign your energy and get a clear action plan so you can save time and start growing.1:1 Coaching with LauraAura – My mission is to help you align and simplify so you feel confident, trust your intuition, and expand in ways that make you feel alive. I combine energy work with grounded, practical action, and together we'll acknowledge the limiting beliefs and habits that may be holding you back while leaning into who you truly are and how you work most efficiently.Connect with LauraAuraTikTok:  @thatlauraauraInstagram: @thatlauraauraWebsite: LauraAura.comTHANK YOU, GUTSY TRIBE!We love, love, love to read your comments, feedback, and reviews. If you haven't yet, drop us one below! Your review might even get highlighted within one of our gutsy love posts or on our website.https://podcasts.apple.com/ar/podcast/the-gutsy-podcast/id1445481970Support the show