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Catherine McKenna joined me in person for a live recording of this episode at the Naval Club of Toronto here in our east end. We discussed her new book ‘Run Like a Girl', lessons learned from her six years in federal politics, the reality of political harassment, the tension between party loyalty and telling it like it is, and why we should be wary of “grand bargains” on climate with oil and gas companies.Catherine served as Environment and Climate Change Minister from 2015-2019 and Infrastructure Minister from 2019-2021. She's now the founder and CEO of Climate and Nature Solutions and chairs a UN expert group advising the Secretary General on net zero commitments.Read further:Run Like A Girl - Catherine McKenna (2025)https://www.catherinemckenna.caChapters:00:00 Introduction & Run Like A Girl Book05:32 Lessons from Politics: Hard Work & Balance08:52 Climate Barbie & Political Harassment15:26 Running for Office in Ottawa Centre23:17 Being a Team Player vs. Speaking Truth32:05 Leaving Politics40:30 Climate Policy & the Oil & Gas “Grand Bargain”48:24 Supporting Others in Politics52:56 Carbon Pricing Communication Failures59:13 Gender Balance, Feminism & Cabinet01:04:04 Final Thoughts & ClosingTranscript:Nate Erskine-Smith00:02 - 00:38Well, thank you everyone for joining. This is a live recording of the Uncommon's podcast, and I'm lucky to be joined by Catherine McKenna, who has a very impressive CV. You will know her as the former Environment Minister. She is also the founder and CEO of Climate and Nature Solutions, a consultancy focused on all things environment and nature protection. And you may or may not know, but she's also the chair of a UN expert group that gives advice to the Secretary General on net zero solutions. So thank you for coming to Beaches East York.Catherine McKenna00:38 - 00:56It's great to be here. Hello, everyone. And special shout out to the guy who came from, all the way from Bowmanville. That's awesome. Anyone from Hamilton, that's where I'm originally found. All right. Nice, we got a shout out for Hamilton. Woo-hoo.Nate Erskine-Smith00:57 - 01:19So I ran down a few things you've accomplished over the years, but you are also the author of Run Like a Girl. I was at, you mentioned a book launch last night here in Toronto, but I attended your book launch in Ottawa. And you can all pick up a book on the way out. But who did you write this book for?Catherine McKenna01:21 - 02:58So, I mean, this book has been a long time in the making. It's probably been five years. It was a bit of a COVID project. And you'll see, it's good, I've got my prop here, my book. But you'll see it's not a normal kind of book. So it has a lot of images of objects and of, you know, pictures, pictures of me getting ready to go to the state visit dinner that was hosted by Obama while I'm trying to finalize the text on climate. So it's got like random things in it, but it's intended for a much broader audience. It's really intended to inspire women and girls and young people. And I think that's particularly important right now because I work on climate and I think it's really hard. Do people here care about climate? Yes, I imagine here you care about climate. I mean, I actually think most Canadians do because they understand the wildfires and they see the smoke and people are being evacuated from communities and you can't get insurance if you're in a flood zone. But I do think in particular we need to bolster spirits. But also it's a book, it's really about how to make change. It's not like people think it's like a political memoir. So I think, you know, fancy people in politics will look at the end of the book to see if their name is there and maybe be disappointed if it isn't. But it's not really that kind of book. It's like I was a kid from Hamilton. I didn't want to be a politician. That wasn't my dream when I grew up. I wanted to go to the Olympics for swimming. And spoiler alert, I did not make the Olympic team, but I went to Olympic trials.Nate Erskine-Smith02:59 - 02:59You're close.Catherine McKenna03:00 - 04:05I was, well, closest, closest, but, but it wasn't, I mean, you know, life is a journey and that wasn't, it wasn't sad that I didn't make it, but I think it's just to hopefully for people to think I can make change too. Like I didn't come as a fully formed politician that was, you know, destined to be minister for the environment and climate change. So in particular for women and young people who are trying to figure out how to make change, I think it's a little bit my story. I just tried to figure it out. And one day I decided the best way to make change was to go into politics and get rid of Stephen Harper. That was my goal. He was my inspiration, yes, because we needed a new government. And yeah, so I really, really, really am trying to reach a much broader audience because I think we often are politicians talking to a very narrow group of people, often very partisan. And that's not my deal. My deal is we need everyone to be making change in their own way. And I want people who are feeling like maybe it's a bit hard working on climate or in politics or on democracy or human rights that you too can make change.Nate Erskine-Smith04:06 - 05:17And you were holding it up. I mean, it's a bit of a scrapbook. You've described it. And it's also honest. I mean, there was some media coverage of it that was sort of saying, oh, you said this about Trudeau, calling him a loofer. And there's a certain honesty about I've lived in politics and I'm going to call it like it is. But what I find most interesting is not the sort of the gotcha coverage after the fact. It's when you go to write something, you said you're not a writer at the launch that I saw in Ottawa, but you obviously sat down and were trying to figure out what are the lessons learned. You've had successes, you've had failures, and you're trying to impart these lessons learned. You mentioned you sort of were going down that road a little bit of what you wanted to impart to people, but you've had six years in politics at the upper echelon of decision-making on a really important file. I want to get to some of the failures because we're living through some of them right now, I think. Not of your doing, of conservative doing, unfortunately. But what would you say are the lessons learned that you, you know, as you're crystallizing the moments you've lived through, what are those lessons?Catherine McKenna05:19 - 07:12It's funny because the lessons I learned actually are from swimming in a way that actually you got to do the work. That, you know, you set a long-term goal and, you know, whatever that goal is, whatever you hope to make change on. And then you get up and you do the work. And then you get up the next morning and you do the work again. And sometimes things won't go your way. But you still get up the next morning. And I think it's important because, like, you know, look, I will talk, I'm sure, about carbon pricing. We lost the consumer carbon price. There's a chapter. It's called Hard Things Are Hard. I'm also, like, really into slogans. I used to be the captain of the U of T swim team. So I feel like my whole life is like a Nike ad or something. Hard things are hard. We can do it. But yeah, I mean, I think that the change is incremental. And sometimes in life, you're going to have hard times. But the other thing I want people to take from it is that, you know, sometimes you can just go dancing with your friends, right? Or you can call up your book club. I would sometimes have hard days in politics. And I was like, oh, gosh, that was like, what? happened. So I'd send an email, it would say to my book club. So if you have book clubs, book clubs are a good thing. Even if you don't always read the book, that would be me. But I would be SOS, come to my house. And I'd be like, all I have is like chips and wine, but I just need to hang out with regular people. And I think that's also important. Like, you know, life is life. Like, you know, you got to do the work if you're really trying to make change. But some days are going to be harder and sometimes you're just trying to hang in there and I had you know I had I have three kids one of them they're older now one of them is actually manning the the booth selling the books but you know when you're a mom too like you know sometimes you're going to focus on that so I don't know I think my my lessons are I I'm too gen x to be like you've got to do this and INate Erskine-Smith07:12 - 07:16learned this and I'm amazing no that's not writing a graduation speech I'm not I'm not writing aCatherine McKenna07:16 - 08:43graduation speech and I don't know that you know the particular path I took is what anyone else is going to do I was going to I went to Indonesia to do a documentary about Komodo dragons because my roommate asked me to so that led me to go back to Indonesia which led me to work for UN peacekeeping and peacekeeping mission in East Timor but I think it's also like take risks if you're a young person Like, don't, people will tell you all the time how you should do things. And I, you know, often, you know, doubted, should I do this, or I didn't have enough confidence. And I think that's often, women often feel like that, I'll say. And, you know, at the end, sometimes you are right. And it's okay if your parents don't like exactly what you're doing. Or, you know, people say you should stay in corporate law, which I hated. Or, you know, so I don't know if there's so many lessons as a bit as, you know, one, you got to do the work to, you know, listen to what you really want to do. That doesn't mean every day you're going to get to do what you want to do. But, you know, if you're really passionate about working human rights, work on human rights, like figure out a way to do it and then also have some fun. Like life can feel really heavy. And I felt that during COVID. I think sometimes now after, you know, looking at, you know, social media and what Donald Trump has done or threatened to do, it can feel hard. So I think it's also OK to to just check out and have fun.Nate Erskine-Smith08:44 - 08:46I like it. Well, there aren't lessons, but here are three important lessons.Catherine McKenna08:48 - 08:50I am a politician. It's good. Well, it's OK.Nate Erskine-Smith08:50 - 09:57You mentioned a few times really writing this book in a way to young people and specifically to young women to encourage them to to make a difference and to get involved. and yet politics, we were both drawn to politics, I think for similar reasons, and it is one of the most important ways to make a difference, and I wanna get to you. There are other ways to make a difference, of course, but there's a bit of a tension, I think, in what you're writing, because you're writing this encouragement to make a difference, and politics is so important, and on the flip side, you document all sorts of different ways that politics has been truly awful, the absurdity of, I knew the ridiculous idiocy of Climate Barbie, but I didn't actually appreciate that you had these bizarre men coming to your house to take selfies in front of your house. That's just a next-level awfulness. And so how do you, when you're talking to young people, to encourage them on the one hand, but also you don't want to shield them from the awfulness, and we all want to make politics a more civil, better place, but these are problematic tensions.Catherine McKenna09:58 - 10:42Yeah, I mean, look, I thought a lot about what I wanted to say about like the hate and abuse that I got, but also my staff got. I mean, they come to my office and start screaming. And of course, everything's videotaped. So and, you know, there were incidents at my house. And so I first of all, I believe in being honest. Like, I just believe in it. I believe that people deserve the truth. But also in this case, I wasn't looking for sympathy. I'm out of politics. I don't need sympathy, but we need change. And so I think the only way, one of the only ways we get changed, and you know how hard it is to get policy, like online harm legislation. We still have not gotten online harm. In a way, it's kind of unfathomable that we can't just get it. Like, we know that online.Nate Erskine-Smith10:42 - 10:43C5 happened real quick, though. Don't worry.Catherine McKenna10:43 - 10:43Okay.Catherine McKenna10:44 - 10:48Well, luckily, I'm not in politics anymore. I'm not in politics anymore.Catherine McKenna10:48 - 11:48I just do my thing. But I do think that by documenting this, I'm hoping that people will read it and say, well, wait a minute, that's not OK, because that's how we will get the support to get legislation to make sure that we hold social media platforms accountable. that's the way that we will be able to get people to say to politicians, you cannot go and do personal attacks and then go spread them online to get to get clicks. And that we can get proper protection for politicians, which I don't love, but actually we need that sometimes. So I think that it is important to say that I don't want people to feel down because I have multiple purposes in the book. Like people are talking about this. And I've had a number of my female politician friends saying thank you for stepping up because now people are taking it more seriously because they're like wow that was bad like climate barbie sounds kind of quaint now but climate barbie led to a whole bunch of things that led to a bunch of things that led to rcmp finally being outside my house whichNate Erskine-Smith11:49 - 12:05wasn't amazing but at least i felt safe but it's one thing to say quaint but it normalizes a misogyny that is that is awful right yeah so it's and it might it might not be a direct threat it might not be taking a selfie outside of your home which is an implicit threat but it is it's normalizing an awfulness in our politics.Catherine McKenna12:06 - 12:10Yeah, I mean, it is. From other politicians. It was a former minister in Harper's CabinetNate Erskine-Smith12:10 - 12:11who started it, right?Catherine McKenna12:11 - 12:21It was, or at least amplified it. We'll go there, like the climate Barbie. Okay, so climate Barbie is, it's quite weird because now my kids are like, well, Barbie went to the moon.Catherine McKenna12:21 - 12:22Barbie was an asteroid.Catherine McKenna12:23 - 14:57Quinn is here, like, you know, Barbies are, like, you know, not that big a deal. The thing is, if you are my age, if anyone here is 50 or over, I think you're pretty clear when someone who's 50 or over calls you climate barbie there's a lot going on in that and i said nothing like i was actually baptized climate barbie very early on um by a rage farming alt-right outlet they are not media and that's what they do this is their game they go after progressives to make money actually um for clickbait but i didn't do anything for so long um and i guess my team was lovely and i had a lot of really awesome women and they're like just don't do it because you'll they'll know that you know they can go after you um and so i'm at the un actually it's like seven years ago i was just at the un last week yes i heard donald trump but i was there to work on climate but it was the same thing it was the end of a really long day i was going back to the hotel i was actually in the hotel lobby some crabby hotel with my team and i look at my phone i was like why is my twitter exploded what has happened and then i see the climate barbie tweet and i said to my team. I said, okay, I'm sorry. I'm just going to have to deal with this situation. And they knew, like, I'm, when I say I'm dealing with it, I'm going to deal with it. And so I, I, you know, I'm a lawyer by training. So I, you know, try, I am Irish. I've got the hot headed side and then I've got the lawyer rational side. So I was like, okay, what am I going to say? There's going to call it out, but in a way that isn't falling into the trap of just calling names. So I said, it's in this book. I'm not going to get exactly right, but it was something like, would you use that kind of language with your girlfriend, wife, mother? You're not chasing women out of politics. Your sexism is going to chase women, whatever it was. And what was so interesting about this, and this is why in this book, I do the same thing, is that it went viral. And I wasn't trying to do this. I was trying to shame him so he would stop. And people like would stop me in the streets. And it would be, you know, conservative men, they'd be like, I'm a conservative, I'm ashamed. This is not acceptable. And I really appreciate this. This is how you stand up to bullies. And I thought, oh, this is important that we do this every once in a while, because often as a woman, you're kind of supposed to take it because otherwise you look a bit weak. And I realized actually the power is other people saying that this is not okay. So I actually appreciate that you call it out. You will see in my book. I will just let me see if I can find it. I also, like, kind of bizarrely, a bunch of, like, men would send me Barbies with really mean notes.Catherine McKenna14:57 - 15:04So they'd go to a store, buy a Barbie, then go and find the address of my constituency office or my ministerial office,Catherine McKenna15:05 - 15:32and then send it with a note that they personally addressed. Like, that's kind of weird. So anyway, the funny thing is, I guess, is it funny? I don't know. It's just it. There's a Barbie. This is actually a picture of one of the Barbies that was sent. We would normally put our Barbies in the Christmas toy drive. I guess we figured might as well give it to, you know, kids that would like the Barbie. But I found one when I was cleaning up my office. And I was like, oh, I'm going to just keep that. I'm going to like, you know, just keep that. So you can...Nate Erskine-Smith15:32 - 15:33No one's sending you Barbies.Catherine McKenna15:33 - 15:38I have a book of just... No one's sending you Barbies. Glorious things that people have sent, like written notes that people have sent over the yearsNate Erskine-Smith15:38 - 16:33where you're just like, this is the most bizarre thing to have received. And, you know, in 10 years in politics, the scrapbook grows. So speaking of, you mentioned Harper being an inspiration of sorts. You also have said, I'm just a regular person who wanted to make a change. And politics, you also said, I didn't want to be a politician. I want to be an Olympian. But you also document Sheila Copps as someone you looked up to. You mentioned your dad being very political. And Pierre Elliott Trudeau was the person in politics who was a bit of an inspiration for your dad and family. And so Harper, obviously, a motivating force for me as well in the lead up to 2015. I think there's a whole class of us in the lead up to 2015 that wanted a different kind of politics. How did you get on the ballot, though? It was you were a lawyer and you thought, no, this is this particular moment. Were people tapping on the shoulder and saying, come on, Catherine, now's the time?Catherine McKenna16:37 - 18:52Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a funny story because women often have to be asked multiple times. The thing is, I'd already been asked before 2015. And it's kind of funny because I saw my friend last night who's part of the story. So when Stéphane Dion was running, I went back to Hamilton. So that's where my parents, my dad passed away. But that's where my parents lived. And I was walking up my street. And the head of the riding association was like, would you like to run? So the election, I think, was already called. I'm pregnant. I live in Ottawa. And so I was like, oh, maybe I should think about that. So I asked my friend. He's like, well, I guess you won't have to knock on doors. So that was my first time getting asked. I did not run then. But I ran a charity that did human rights, rule of law, and good governance. I'd started this charity after having lived abroad with a friend. And, I mean, it was like banging your head on a wall in the pre-Harper times. We were trying to support human rights. We were working with indigenous youth in Canada focused on reconciliation. I cared about climate change. I was like, all of these things I'm trying to do outside of the system are a complete and utter waste of time. So I thought, OK, we've got to get rid of the government. So that's my theory of change now. My theory of change was create this charitable organization, and it's just not getting the impact. So I decided I was going to run, but I was in Ottawa Centre. So I don't know if many of you know Ottawa Centre. It's actually where Parliament's located, so it's great. It's a bike ride to work. But it was Paul Dewar, who was a really beloved NDP member of parliament. His mother had been mayor. And I really like Paul, too. But the reality is you've got to win, right? So you've got to win enough seats so you can form government. So I ran for two years. And it's interesting because I just decided to run. I canvassed, and so maybe the woman, this will maybe resonate a little bit. So I was like, okay, I really want to run, but I kind of need permission. I don't know why I thought I needed permission, but I did. So I went the rounds. And I like the Liberal Party, but it can be like an inside club. And I wasn't from Ottawa Centre. And so I think people were like a bit perplexed. They're like, we're kind of keeping this riding for a star candidate. And I was like, okay, what the heck? Who's a star?Catherine McKenna18:52 - 18:53Like, what's a star candidate?Catherine McKenna18:53 - 19:07Is that like a male lawyer who gives a lot of money to the Liberal Party? Like, I was like, seriously, what is a star candidate? Yeah, that's what it is. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. I don't know. You are a male. I ran when I was 29 and had no money.Nate Erskine-Smith19:07 - 19:09That was a setup. That was a setup.Catherine McKenna19:09 - 20:15No, it wasn't. Okay. Anyway, we'll just blow by that one. You're a little bit unusual. Okay. So we'll take you out of that. But anyway, it's quite funny because then I was like, and then people were like, actually, you should just get the party to go get you another riding that's winnable. So I was like, okay, on the one hand, you need a star candidate here for this great riding that, but on the flip side, no one can win. So I was like, okay, I don't really know. So I looked at, like, you know, I'm not a fool. I was a competitive swimmer. I want to win. So I looked at the numbers, and I realized, like, you know, if Justin Trudeau was then leader, if we did super well, we were in third place, and it was two years out. But if I worked really hard and we did super well, there was a shot at winning. So I just decided I'm going to run. And I got the chapters called The New Girls Club. And then I had men supporting me. It was fine. But I literally had a lot of women who were just like, I don't know if you can win. This is kind of bonkers. You're doing it. But I'm going to step up and give you some money. I'm going to go help sell nominations. And at that point, you had to sell them. And no one wanted to buy a nomination.Catherine McKenna20:15 - 20:20People are like, I don't want to be a party. I want to join a party, especially a liberal party.Catherine McKenna20:22 - 21:04And so those of you who are thinking about politics, how do you win a nomination? I was trying to sell memberships and people weren't buying them. I was like, oh gosh, every night I'm going out, I've got these kids and I'm going out and talking to people. And I'm spending two hours and getting one or two nominations, people signing up. So I actually realized it was my kids' friends' mothers whose names I didn't know. I just knew their kids. And I think they were like, wow, we don't really know anyone that would go into politics. But we actually think you'd be pretty good. And your kids would kind of nice. And I don't know. I'll just sign up. I don't care.Catherine McKenna21:04 - 21:06And so it was actually really heartening.Catherine McKenna21:07 - 23:15And I will say, like, for all the bad of politics, and there is some bad for sure. And you will read about it in my book. That campaign for two years, like, we knocked on more than 100,000 doors. We had the highest voter turnout in the country. We had, I had my own rules. Like, I was like, we're going to do this in the way that I believe in. and you know some like some of it was following the bomb a snowflake model like you know we wanted to run hard but we also engaged kids and it wasn't like we had just like a kid area we would have kid canvases and I just felt important to me and we went to low income parts of the riding where some people said they're not going to vote or we went to university we went to university residents they're like they're not going to vote actually they turned out in strong numbers and I got a ton of volunteers who, and people that knew my name, because like someone who knows someone who knows someone. So it was great. But I will say like, that's the one thing about getting involved in politics. You may be here. I met a couple of you who said younger people who said you'd like to run. You can do it. You don't need permission. You're gonna have to hustle. You're gonna have to build your team. But this isn't an in club. And I do sometimes worry that politics feels like an in club and it shouldn't be that like we need everyone who wants to step up and get involved in however they want to get involved to be able to do that and so that's my lesson read that chapter hopefully you feel quite inspired and when I knocked on the last door I didn't know if I would win or not but I knew we'd left it all on the ice and I felt great like I was like we also have another woman who has run here it's Kelly is it Kelly who's run a couple times you know what it's like like you build a team. Now you were in a super hard riding. I do hope you run again. But it, it's just this feeling of doing something that matters and bringing people together in a common cause that is bigger than yourself. And it's about believing you can improve lives and you can tackle climate change. So that was a great I hope you read it and feel like you can do it too, if you want to run because you can, I will say you got to work hard. That is one of the most important thing doors gotNate Erskine-Smith23:15 - 23:36got a knock on doors well so i want to get back to though you were emphasizing one this idea of an insider culture but at the same time the need to have a really local presence and it was people who who were on the ground in the community who who ultimately helped get you over the finish line the nomination i mean here you know sandy's working the bar i went to high school with his kids andCatherine McKenna23:36 - 23:41he signed up in the nomination you got sandy and he got us a beer and and you got claire and fredNate Erskine-Smith23:41 - 24:44here who again i went i went to high school with their kids and they signed up in the nomination probably for joining the Liberal Party for the first time. And you go down the list, and there are people who are behind you locally. And in part, I think when you get started, now you go, okay, well, I know this person in the party, I know that person in the party, I've lived in the party for 12, 13 years. But I was 29 when I was starting to run the nomination. No one was tapping me on the shoulder and going, like, you're a star candidate, whatever that means, as you say. And so it does require that desire to say, no one has to ask me. I'm going to go do it and I'm going to build my own local team. But it also gets, I think, at another tension of who is your team? Because you say at one point, sometimes you need to be on the outside so you can push the inside to do more. And so you're on the outside now and you can be probably more honest in your assessment of things and more critical. I have tried, though, at times over the 10 years to play that same role in caucus.Catherine McKenna24:46 - 24:49What? Nate? I thought you were always all in on everything. Yeah, all in on everything.Nate Erskine-Smith24:50 - 25:32But it does get to this idea of team. It's like, be a team player, be a team player, be a team player. And the answer back is, well, who's your team? And yeah, sure, of course the team is the Liberal caucus, but the team is also people in Beaches of East York, the people who are knocking doors with the nomination, people who are knocking doors in the election. And they also want accountability. They also want the party and the government to be the best version of itself. And so do you find you were when you think back at the six years that you were in. I mean, cabinet's a different level of solidarity, obviously. But do you think it's possible to navigate that, you know, critical accountability role inside the tent? Or do you think it's essential as you are now to be outside to play that, you know, that that truth function?Catherine McKenna25:34 - 25:46I mean, that's a that's a really hard question because I mean, I'm a team person. I just sound like I was captain of a swim team. But that doesn't team. So it's different. Like, I'll just have to distinguish like being in cabinet.Catherine McKenna25:47 - 25:52Like you do have cabinet solidarity. But in cabinet, let me tell you, like I spoke up.Catherine McKenna25:52 - 26:50I like everyone didn't didn't always like it, but I felt like I had an obligation to just say things. And that was as much to myself as it was to anyone else. But then once you do that, you know, there is this view that then you stand with the team or else you leave cabinet. That is hard. That is hard. But it's probably less hard than being in caucus where you feel like you might have less influence on the issues. The one time I felt this was actually when I was out, but it was hard to do. And this is when I spoke up and I said I felt it was time for Justin Trudeau to step down, like to like have a leadership race to allow someone new to come in. And it was funny because I got like all these texts like and I was out. Right. So you think not such a big deal. But I got texts from people and like saying, who do you think you are? Like, you know, we're a liberal team. And I was like, OK, this is weird because I get team, but team doesn't equal cult.Nate Erskine-Smith26:52 - 26:52Welcome to my world.Catherine McKenna26:56 - 28:06Nate and me, are we exactly the same? Probably not exactly the same, but no, no. but I think it's true because I was like, well, wait a minute. We also owe it to, in that case, it was also like, we got to win. Are we going to just go? Is this the way it's going? We're just going to allow us to go down even though it's clear that the wheels have come off the cart. And that was hard. But I thought about it, and I was just so worried about the other option. Like Pierre Paulyab, that was too much. And I was like, okay, if I can make a bit of a difference, I will take a hit. It's fine. But I like, look, there is it is really hard to navigate that. And I mean, obviously, if it's super chaotic and no one's supporting things, I mean, the government will fall and you can't get agendas through. There does have to be some leeway to say things like that is important. It's that line and the tension. And I know you've you've felt it. And, you know, we haven't always been on the same side of those things, probably. But that is hard. That is hard. And I don't know that there's any easy answer to that because you can't always be in opposition because you can't govern.Catherine McKenna28:07 - 28:09So I would actually put that to you, Nate.Catherine McKenna28:10 - 28:38No, but I think it's an interesting question for you because, as I said, I was in cabinet, so it was a little bit easier. I mean, you literally have to vote with the government. But for you, there were times that you decided to, you know, be your own voice and not necessarily, well, not when I say not necessarily, not support, you know, the government's position. like how did you make decisions on that like how do you decide this is the moment i'm going to do that sometimes i care but i don't care as much or maybe i've done it you know a few times and iNate Erskine-Smith28:38 - 31:51should stay together like how did you how do you make that choice so i i think that uh trudeau and running for his leadership one thing that drew me to him actually he was calling for generational renewal at the time which which appealed to me but he was also talking about doing politics differently and whether that promise was entirely realized or not you know you lived around the cabinet table you you know more than me in some ways but I would say the promise of freer votes was incredibly appealing to me as the kind of politics that I that I want to see because I do think you you want that grassroots politics you want people to be it sounds trite now but that idea of being voices for the community in Ottawa not the other way around but there is a there's a truth to that. And so how do you get there and also maintain unity? And I think they navigated that quite well when in the leadership and then it became part of our platform in 2015, he articulated this idea of, well, we're going to have whipped votes on platform promises. Do I agree with everything in the platform? No, but I'll bite my tongue where I disagree and I'll certainly vote with the government. Two, on charter rights and human rights issues. And then three, and this is more fraught but on confidence matters more fraught i say because there were moments where they made certain things confidence matters that i didn't think they should have but you know that was that was the deal and that was the deal that you know you make with constituents it's the deal that you make with with members of the liberal party beyond that i think it's more about how you go about disagreeing and then it's making sure that you've given notice making sure that you've explained your reasons i i've i've uh i've joked i've been on many different whips couches but uh andy leslie i thought was the best whip in part because he would say why are you doing this and you'd run through the reasons he goes well have you have you engaged with them like do they know yeah well have they tried to convince you otherwise yeah and but here are the reasons okay well sounds like you thought about it kid get in my office and it was a there was a you could tell why he was an effective general because he he built respect as between you uh whereas you know the other approach is you have to vote with us. But that's not the deal, and here's why. And it's a less effective approach from a whip. But I would say how you, you know, I've used the example of electoral reform. I wasn't going and doing media saying Justin Trudeau is an awful person for breaking this promise, and, you know, he's, this is the most cynical thing he could have possibly have done, and what a bait and switch. I wasn't burning bridges and making this personal. I was saying, you know, he doesn't think a referendum is a good idea. Here's why I think there's a better forward and here's why I think we here's a way of us maintaining that promise and here's why I don't think we should have broken the promise and you know different people in the liberal party of different views I think the way we go about disagreeing and creating space for reasonable disagreement within the party outside the party but especially within the party really matters and then sometimes you just have to say there's an old Kurt Vonnegut line it's we are who we pretend to be so be careful who you pretend to be and I think it's double each room politics and so you know you want to wake up after politics and think I did the thing I was supposed to do when I was there. And sometimes that means being a good team player, and other times it means standing up and saying what you think. Okay, but back to questions for you.Catherine McKenna31:52 - 31:57Do you like that one? That was pretty good. Just put Nate on the hot speed for a little bit.Nate Erskine-Smith31:59 - 33:01You can ask me questions, too. Okay, so I was going to ask you why not politics, but you've sort of said, I've heard you say you felt that you were done, and you did what you came to do. But I want to push back on that a little bit, because you did a lot of things, especially around climate. First climate plan, you put carbon pricing in place, a number of measures. I mean, that gets all the attention, and we can talk about the walk back on it. But there's stringent methane rules, there were major investments in public transit, there's clean electricity. You run down the list of different things that we've worked towards in advance. And then we talk about consumer carbon pricing, but the industrial carbon piece is huge. Having said that, do you worry you left at a time when the politics were toxic, but not as toxic as they are today around climate and certainly around carbon pricing? And do you feel like you left before you had made sure the gains were going to be protected?Catherine McKenna33:02 - 33:11I think the lesson I learned, you can never protect gains, right? Like, you're just going to always have to fight. And, like, I can't, like, when am I going to be in politics? So I'm, like, 120?Catherine McKenna33:12 - 33:12Like, sorry.Catherine McKenna33:14 - 34:43And it is really true. Like, when I, the weird thing, when, so I'd been through COVID. I had three teenagers, one who, as I mentioned, is here. And I really thought hard. Like, I turned 50. And, like, I'm not someone who's, like, big birthdays. It's, like, this existential thing. I wasn't sad. It was, like, whatever. But I was, like, okay, I'm 50 now. Like, you know, there's what do I want to do at 50? I really forced myself to do it. And I really felt like, remember, I got into politics to make change. So I just thought, what is the best way to make change? And I really felt it wasn't, I felt personally for myself at this point, it wasn't through politics. I really wanted to work globally on climate because I really felt we'd done a lot. And I did think we kind of landed a carbon price. and we'd gone through two elections and one at the Supreme Court. So I felt like, okay, people will keep it. We will be able to keep it. So I just felt that there were other things I wanted to do, and I'd really come when I – you know, I said I would leave when I had done what I'd come to do, and that was a really important promise to myself. And I really want to spend time with my kids. Like, you give up a lot in politics, and my kids were going off to university, and I'd been through COVID, and if any parents – anyone been through COVID, But if you're a parent of teenage kids, that was a pretty bleak time. I'd be like, do you guys want to play another game? And they're like, oh my God.Audience Q34:43 - 34:44As if, and then they go to their bed.Catherine McKenna34:44 - 35:15They'd be like, I'm doing school. And I'd be like, as if you're doing school, you're online. Probably playing video game. But what am I going to do, right? Let's go for another walk. They're like, okay, we'll go for a walk if we can go get a slushie. And I was like, I'm going to rot their teeth. And my dad was a dentist. So I was like, this is bad. But this is like, we're engaging for 20 minutes. Like it was really hard. And so I actually, when I made the decision, like, but the counter, the funny thing that is so hilarious now to me is I almost, I was like, I'm not going to leave because if I leave, those haters will thinkCatherine McKenna35:15 - 35:16they drove me out.Nate Erskine-Smith35:16 - 35:18So I was like, okay, I'm going to stay.Catherine McKenna35:18 - 35:20And like, it was bizarre. I was like, okay.Nate Erskine-Smith35:20 - 35:21I don't want to stay when I'm staying. I don't want to stay.Catherine McKenna35:21 - 35:46I don't think this is the most useful point of my, like, you know, part of what I, you know, this is this useful, but I'm going to stay because these random people that I don't care about are actually going to say, ha ha, I chased her out. So then I was like, okay, well, let's actually be rational here and, you know, an adult. So I made the decision. And I actually felt really zen. Like, it was quite weird after I did it, where it was actually politicians who would do it to me. They'd be like, are you okay?Catherine McKenna35:47 - 35:49And I'd be like, I'm amazing.Catherine McKenna35:49 - 36:05What are you talking about? And, like, you know, it was as if leaving politics, I would not be okay. And then people would say, like, is it hard not to have stuff? I was like, I'm actually free. I can do whatever I want. I can go to a microphone now and say whatever. Probably people will care a lot less. But I don't.Nate Erskine-Smith36:05 - 36:07You can do that in politics sometimes too.Catherine McKenna36:08 - 36:08Yes, Nate.Nate Erskine-Smith36:09 - 36:09Yes, Nate.Catherine McKenna36:09 - 39:32We know about that. Yeah, it was just. So anyway, I left politics. I was not. I do think that what I always worried about more than actually the haters thinking they won. It was that women and women and girls would think I love politics because of all the hate. And once again, I'll just repeat it because it's very important to me. The reason I say the things that happened to me in the book is not because I need sympathy. I don't. We do need change. And I felt when I left, I said I would support women and girls in politics. One of the ways I am doing it is making sure that it is a better place than what I had to put up with. Now, sadly, it's not because it's actually worse now. I hear from counselors. I hear from school board trustees. I hear from all sorts of women in politics, but also men, however you identify. Like, it's bad out there. And it's not just online. It is now offline. People think they can shout at you and scream at you and take a video of it, like put it in the dark web or wherever that goes. So, you know, that's bad. But I feel like, you know, people are like, oh, we got to stop that. And that's what's important. There's a nice letter here. So as I said, I have like random things in here. But there's this lovely gentleman named Luigi. I haven't talked about Luigi yet, have I? So I was at the airport and this gentleman came over to me. And I still get a little nervous when people, because I don't know what people are going to do. Like I probably 99% of them are very nice, but it only takes one percent. So I always get like slightly nervous. And I don't mean to be because I'm actually, as you can see, quite gregarious. I like talking to people, but never exactly sure. And he hands me a note and walks away. And I'm like, oh, God, is this like an exploding letter? Who knows? And I open it and it's in the book. So I'll read you his letter because it actually, I put it towards the end because I think it's really important. because you can see I asked Luigi if I could put his note so his note is here so Ms. McKenna I did not want to disturb you as I thought so I thought I would write this note instead because I identify as a conservative in all likelihood we probably would disagree on many issues I find it quite disturbing the level of abuse that you and many other female politicians must endure. It is unfortunate and unacceptable, and I make a point of speaking out when I see it. I hope that you take consolation in the fact that you and others like you are making it easier for the next generation of women, including my three daughters, Luigi. And I was like, this is like the nicest note. And I think that's also what I hope for my book like I hope people are like yeah we can be we can actually disagree but be normal and you know okay with each other and probably most people are um most people are like Luigi are probably not paying attention but there are people that aren't doing that and I think they're also fed sometimes by politicians themselves um who you know really ratchet things up and attack people personally and And so that's a long answer to I can't even remember the question. But I mean, I left politics and I was done. And that's not related to Luigi, but Luigi is a nice guy.Nate Erskine-Smith39:34 - 41:21It's a I think I've got those are my questions around the book. But I do have a couple of questions on climate policy because you're living and breathing that still. And although it's interesting, you comment about politicians. I mean, there's a deep inauthenticity sometimes where politicians treat it as a game. And there's these attacks for clicks. Or in some cases, especially when the conservatives were riding high in the polls, people were tripping over themselves to try and prove to the center that they could be nasty to and that they could score points and all of that. And so they all want to make cabinet by ratcheting up a certain nastiness. But then cameras get turned off and they turn human beings again to a degree. And so that kind of inauthenticity, I think, sets a real nasty tone for others in politics more generally. But on climate policy, I was in Edmonton for our national caucus meeting. I think I texted you this, but I get scrummed by reporters and they're asking me all climate questions. And I was like, oh, this is nice. I'm getting asked climate questions for a change. this is good. This is put climate back on the radar. And then a reporter says, well, are you concerned about the Carney government backtracking on climate commitments? And I said, well, backtracking on climate commitments. I mean, if you read the book Values, it'd be a very odd thing for us to do. Do you worry that we are backtracking? Do you worry that we're not going to be ambitious enough? Or do you think we're still, we haven't yet seen the climate competitiveness strategy? I mean, you know, here's an opportunity to say we should do much more. I don't know. But are you concerned, just given the dynamic in politics as they're unfolding, that we are not going to get where we need to get?Catherine McKenna41:22 - 42:31I mean, look, I'm like you. You know, first of all, I did get into politics. I wasn't an expert on climate, but I cared about climate because I have kids. Like, we have this truck that's coming for our kids, and I'm a mother, so I'm going to do everything I can. I was in a position that I learned a lot about climate policy, and climate policy is complicated, and you've got to get it right. But look, I mean, you know, Mark Carney knows as much about, you know, climate as an economic issue as anyone. And so, I mean, I'm certainly hopeful that you can take different approaches, but at the end of the day, your climate policy requires you to reduce emissions because climate change isn't a political issue. Of course, it's very political. I'm not going to understate it. I know that as much as anyone. But in the end, the science is the science. We've got to reduce our emissions. And you've probably all heard this rant of mine before, but I will bring up my rant again. I sometimes hear about a grand bargain with oil and gas companies. We did a grand bargain with oil and gas companies.Catherine McKenna42:31 - 42:31How did that work out?Catherine McKenna42:31 - 42:32Yeah.Catherine McKenna42:32 - 42:33How did that work out? Tell us. How did that work out?Catherine McKenna42:33 - 47:27Let me tell you how that worked out. So we were working really hard to get a national climate plan. And I saw it as an obligation of mine to work with provinces to build on the policies they had. The Alberta government had stood, so it was the government of Rachel Notley, but with Murray Edwards, who's the head of one of the oil and gas companies, with environmentalists, with economists, with indigenous peoples, saying, okay, this is the climate plan Alberta's going to do. A cap on emissions from oil and gas. a price on pollution, tough methane regs, and, you know, some other things. And so then we were pushed, and it was really hard. I was the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, where we had a climate emergency one day, and then we had a pipeline. The next, I talk about that. That was hard. But the reality is, we felt like that, you know, the Alberta government, we needed to support the NDP Alberta, you know, the NDP government at the time early on. And so then what did we get? Like, where are we right now? We basically, none of the, either those policies are gone or not effective. We got a pipeline at massive taxpayer costs. It's like 500% over. We have oil and gas companies that made historic record profits, largely as a result of Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. What did they do with those profits? They said that they were going to invest in climate solutions. They were going to reduce their emissions. They were all in. But instead, they give their CEOs massive, massive historic bonuses. I'm from Hamilton. That's not a thing when you get these massive historic record bonuses. At the same time, they gave the money back to shareholders who were largely Americans. While they demanded more subsidies to clean up their own pollution, while we are in a climate crisis that is a fossil fuel climate crisis. I now feel taken for a fool because I believed that the oil and gas, like in particular, the oil sands would live up to their end of the bargain. You will see in the book also, I don't know, I probably can't find the page fast enough. I did pinky promises with kids because all these kids came up to me all the time and they said, like, I'm really working hard on climate change. You know, I've got a water bottle. I'm riding my bike. I'm doing like a used clothing drive, whatever it was. And I said, you know what? I'm doing my part, too. Let's do a pinky promise like a pinky swear. And we will promise to continue doing our part. Well, we all did our part. By the way, basically everyone in all sectors have done their part except for oil and gas when they had massive historic record profits. And I wrote a report for the UN Secretary General on greenwashing. And they were exhibit A, exhibit A on what greenwashing looks like, like saying you're doing things that you are not doing and while you're lobbying to kill every policy. So I just hope that people aren't taken for fools again. Like the grand bargain should be they should live up with their end of the bargain. Like that is what bargains are. You got to do what you say you were going to do. And they didn't do it. And as a result, it's extremely hard for Canada to meet our target because they are 30% and growing of our emissions. So I also think like, why are we paying? Why would taxpayers pay? So, look, I don't know. Hard things are hard, as my mug says that I was given by my team because I said it every single day, about 12 times a day. You have to make very tough decisions in government. And we're in a trade war. And also defending our we have to absolutely stand up and defend our sovereignty against the Trump regime, which is very dangerous and very destabilizing. but at the same time we can't not act on climate climate is a here and now problem it's not this fire problem like all these people were evacuated from communities the cost of climate change is massive people are not going to be able to be insured that's already happening and so i just think you gotta walk and chew gum you gotta like figure out how to you know build and grow the economy but you also need to figure out how to tackle climate change and reduce your emissions and to be honest, hold the sector that is most responsible for climate change accountable for their actions and also for their words because they said they were going to act on climate and they supported these policies and they are now still fighting to kill all these policies. You almost can't make it up. And I just don't think Canadians should be taken for fools and I think you've got to make a lot of choices with tax dollars. But I'm not in government And I think, you know, we have, you know, Mark Carney, he's very smart. He's doing a great job of defending Canada. You know, I think like everyone, I'm waiting to see what the climate plan is because it's extremely important. And the climate plan is an economic plan as much as anything else.Nate Erskine-Smith47:28 - 48:23And on that, I would say not just an economic plan, but when you talk about national resiliency, there's a promise in our platform to become a clean energy superpower. There's a promise in our platform to create an east-west transmission grid. And just in Ontario, when you look at the fact that not only are they doubling down on natural gas, but they're also importing natural gas from the United States. When solar, wind, storage is actually more cost effective, investments in east-west transmission grid and in clean energy would make a lot more sense, not only for the climate, not only for the economy, but also as a matter of resiliency and energy independence as well. Okay, those are my questions. So thank you for... Give a round of applause for Calvin. Thank you for joining. With the time that we've got left, Christian, we've got, what, 10, 15 minutes? What time is it? Okay, great. Okay, so does anyone have questions for Ms. McKenna?Audience Q48:25 - 49:09It's a question for both of you, actually. You guys have both been trailblazers in your own right, I think, inside and inside of politics. And you talk a lot about building your community and building your team, whether it's swimming or local politics, and also demanding space in those places to be competitive, all the way up from your local team up to the prime minister. But I'm curious on the other side of that, what does it look like to be a good teammate inside and inside of politics, and how do we support more people, for those of us that might not be running, but trying to get more people like you? Or maybe as an example, somebody that supported you in your run?Catherine McKenna49:11 - 49:56well i mean look i'm trying to do my part and so what i did and it's like what most of you did you go support people that you think are good that are running so i in the last election i went and i supported people that i thought were serious about climate including in ridings that we had never won before um and i also well probably especially those writings um and i also supported women candidates that was just a choice I mean but I think everyone getting involved in politics is a great way to do it but also you know when you think there's someone good that might be good to run you know you know talk to them about it and as I said for women they need to be asked often seven times I think is it so like for women maybe just start asking and if we get to the seventh time maybeNate Erskine-Smith49:56 - 51:38really good women will run and I would add I suppose just on locally I have found one, going into schools and talking politics and encouraging people to think about politics as an opportunity has translated into our youth council. It's then translated into our young liberals internship over the summer where we make sure people are able to be paid to knock on doors and just maintain involvement. And then a number of those people come through either our office and then they're working in politics in the minister's office or in the prime minister's office or they're going to law school or they're adjacent to politics and helping other people and just encouraging people to at least be close to politics so that they see politics as a way to make a difference, there will then be people that will want to run from that or help encourage other people to run. The second thing, and I'll use Mark Holland as an example, when I was running the nomination and I didn't have contacts in the party, but I had someone who knew Mark Holland and he gave me advice to think about it like concentric circles when you're running a nomination where you have people who are close to you and then the people who are close to you will have 10 people that are close to them that maybe they can sign them up for you or maybe they just are they open the door and I you know if so if someone opens the door to a conversation with me I feel pretty confident that I can close the sale but if the door is closed in my face I'm not gonna I'm not gonna even have an opportunity to and so just that idea of building out you start with your your home base and you build out from there build out from there so I just think I have in the last week had conversations with two people who want to run for office at some point, they're both under the age of 30, and I've given that same kind of advice of, here's what worked for me. It may work for you, it may not, it depends, but find where your home base is, and then just grow from there. And so I think just spending time, likeAudience Q51:39 - 52:30giving one's time to give advice like that is really important. Yeah. Building on that, that's, I wanted to, because I think that does nicely into what you said earlier, Catherine, about and really encouraging young women in particular to get into politics. But it's not just, it's all the peripheral people, people that are peripheral to politics, your concentric circles, so that you don't necessarily have to run for an office. And I appreciate what you've done for girls. But I also want you to know that, I mean, I'm older than you, and still you are a role model to me. Not only that, though, I have sons in their mid to late 20s. and I've made sure you're a role model and women like you are a role model to them because I think that's how change begins.Nate Erskine-Smith52:32 - 52:34This was entirely planted just for you, by the way.Catherine McKenna52:35 - 52:37No, but I think that's...Nate Erskine-Smith52:37 - 52:40So I do think that's important, right?Catherine McKenna52:40 - 53:26My book is not... Run Like a Girl, I'm a woman, I identify as a woman and there's a story about how I was told I ran like a girl and so it really bugged me. So it's kind of a particular thing. But I think that is important. Like, you know, this isn't exclusive. Although, you know, there are, you know, certain different barriers, at least that I'm aware of, you know, that if you're a woman, if you're LGBTQ2+, if you're racialized or indigenous, there could be different barriers. But I hear you. And I think, you know, we do have to inspire each other in a whole range of ways. So that is very nice. I hope that, I mean, I'm not, you know, looking to, you know, you know, for kudos. I really, but it is nice to hear that you can inspire people in a whole different way, you know, range of ways.Audience Q53:26 - 53:47It's really, yeah, it's really not about kudos. It's about, you know, it's not that my intent is not just to applaud you. It's just, it's to, it's to recognize you. And that's different, like being seen, holding place, holding space for people to be involved. And so I do have one actual question of this.Catherine McKenna53:48 - 53:50You can ask a question after that.Audience Q53:51 - 53:57Regarding pricing, carbon pricing, how would you communicate the rollout differently?Catherine McKenna53:58 - 54:43Well, I would actually fund it. So hard things at heart, I'm like, okay, well, first of all, we know the Conservatives were terrible. They lied about it. They misled. They didn't talk about the money going back. The problem is, like, we hampered ourselves too. And it was really quite weird because I was like, okay, well, we need an advertising budget because clearly this is a bit of a complicated policy. But the most important thing I need people to know is that we're tackling climate change and we're doing it in a way that we're going to leave low income and middle income people better off. You're going to get more money back. That's very, very important. The second part of the message is as important because I knew the conservatives were going to be like, you're just increasing the price of everything. But we were told we couldn't advertise. And I was like, why? And they said, well, because we're not like conservatives because they had done the, what was the plan?Nate Erskine-Smith54:43 - 54:51The economic action plan. The signs everywhere. They basically, what Ford does now, they were doing it.Catherine McKenna54:51 - 57:40So that sounds really good, except if you're me. Because I was like, well, no one really knows about it. So I'm like one person. And we got some caucus members, not all of them. But Nate will go out and talk about it. Some people will talk about it. But I said, people are entitled to know what government policy is, especially in this particular case, where you've literally got to file your taxes to get the rebate. Because that was the second mistake we made. I was told that we couldn't just do quarterly checks, which would be much more obvious to people, even if it was automatically deposited, you actually named it properly, which was another problem. But, you know, all of these things that are just normal things. And instead, we were told, I was told by the folks in the Canada Revenue Agency, there's no way we could possibly do quarterly checks. after COVID, when we did everything, we blew everything up, then they were like, oh, actually, and this was after me, but they were like, we can do quarterly chaps. I was like, well, that's really helpful. Like, that would have been nice, like a little bit longer, you know, like the beginning of this. And so I think like, we do need to be sometimes very tough, like, don't do things that sound great and are not, are really hampering your ability to actually deliver a policy in a way that people understand. So like, it's just a hard policy. Like, you know, people say, would you have done, what would you have done differently? Yes, I would have communicated it differently. I tried. Like, I was out there. I went to H&R Block because I saw a sign, and they were like, climate action incentive. Oh, by the way, we couldn't call it a rebate because the lawyers told us injustice. We couldn't do that, and I'm a lawyer. I was like, what? And so I should have fought that one harder too, right? Like, I mean, there's so many fights you can have internally as well, but, you know, there I am. I was like, oh, H&R Block, they're doing free advertising for us because they wanted people to file their taxes, so then I would make, I said to all caucus members, you need to go to your HR block and get a family. I don't even want to see you necessarily. I want a family to be sitting down being told they're getting money back. And, and so like, look, I think it's just a hard policy. And, and what happened though, I mean, read hard things are hard, but the chapter, but it's, um, and people will be like, I'm definitely not reading that chapter. You can skip chapters. This book is like, go back and forth, rip things out. I don't, you don't have to read it in chronological order or read particular chapters. But was if the price is going to go up every year, every year you better be ready to fight for it because every year you're literally creating this conflict point where conservatives are like, they're on it. They're like spending so much tax dollars to mislead people. Remember the stickers on the pump that fell off? That was quite funny. They actually fell off. But you're going to have to fight for it. And so we just, it's a hard, it's a very hard policy. I did everything I could. And I don't live with life with regrets. I think it was really important. And by the way, it's a case study outside of Canada.Catherine McKenna57:41 - 57:42Everyone's like, Canada.Catherine McKenna57:42 - 57:52I was like, oh, yeah, there is like a little different ending than you might want to know about what happened. But they're like, yes, this is, of course, how we should do it. Should be a price on pollution. Give the money back.Nate Erskine-Smith57:52 - 58:38I went to a movie at the Beach Cinema with my kids. And there was an ad. This is years ago. But there was an ad. So we were advertising. But it was advertising about the environment climate plan. and it was like people in canoes. And I was like, what is this trying to, like we're spending how much money on this to tell me what exactly? And I went to, Stephen was the minister, and I went, Stephen, can we please advertise Carbon Pricing Works, it's 10 plus percent of our overall plan, and 80% of people get more money back or break even. Just tell people those three things, I don't need the canoe. and then he was like oh we can't we we they tell it they tell us we can't do it no no and that'sCatherine McKenna58:38 - 58:55what you're often told like it is kind of weird internally the amount of times you're told no like on advertising it is a particular thing because like and so then you're like having a fight about comms i was like oh my gosh can we don't think the canoe is going to win this carbon and it didn't turns out i love canoeing by the way so maybe it would have convinced me if i wasNate Erskine-Smith58:55 - 59:01i think last question we'll finish with that with maryland hi i'm maryland and i also happen to beAudience Q59:01 - 01

LIVRE DE FRANKAujourd'hui dans le podcast, on réagit au discours du premier ministre du Québec François Legault lors du congrès de la dernière chance de la CAQ qui s'est tenu en fin de semaine à Gatineau. Comparaisons avec René Lévesque et Rocky Balboa, prestation low energy : assiste-t-on au début de la fin pour la Coalition Avenir Québec ?DANS LA PARTIE PATREON, on commence avec Joey qui nous fait écouter de nombreux extraits audio de l'entrevue de Mario Dumont à QUB Radio avec la présidente de la FTQ, Magalie Picard, au sujet des cotisations syndicales facultatives pour le financement d'activités politiques. Ensuite, on discute de la création du mouvement LGB International, un regroupement de lesbiennes, gays et bisexuels qui se dissocient du mouvement LGBTQ2+ qu'ils estiment ne plus les représenter et même nuire à leur image. On termine avec Frank qui nous lit le dernier segment de Derrière la porte du journal La Presse.0:00 Intro0:36 Livre de Frank et nos commanditaires3:01 Congres de la CAQ13:28 Un discours low energy19:02 La CAQ à la droite dure…24:48 L'interdiction des véhicules à essence changée27:58 Un narratif du retour de l'ADQ35:21 À venir dans le Patreon

Indigenous Two-Spirit and LGBTQ+ artists often add another layer of expression to their work and stories. On top of celebrating their tribal and personal identities, they're bringing stories and voices forward that aren't often heard from elsewhere. They can also provide recognition and support for other LGBTQ2+ people searching for connection. We'll take a look at three new and upcoming Indigenous Two-Spirit and LGBTQ+ art exhibits: “Queering Indigeneity” coming to the Minnesota Museum of American Art, “Two-Spirit and MMIW/R Voices” touring Minnesota, and “Two-Spirit and Gender Diversity through History” at the new Orillia Recreation Centre in Ontario, Canada. GUESTS Penny Kagigebi (White Earth Ojibwe), artist and emerging curator Dr. Kate Beane (Flandreau Santee Dakota and Muscogee), executive director of the Minnesota Museum of American Art Arnold Dahl-Wooley (Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe), national public speaker, advocate for the Two-Spirit LGBTQ+ community, and Twin Cities Pride BIPOC Leader of the Year Jessica Martin (Métis), goldsmith, fiddle player, and yoga instructor Monica Loney, Métis visual artist

Indigenous Two-Spirit and LGBTQ+ artists often add another layer of expression to their work and stories. On top of celebrating their tribal and personal identities, they're bringing stories and voices forward that aren't often heard from elsewhere. They can also provide recognition and support for other LGBTQ2+ people searching for connection. We'll take a look at three new and upcoming Indigenous Two-Spirit and LGBTQ+ art exhibits: “Queering Indigeneity” coming to the Minnesota Museum of American Art, “Two-Spirit and MMIW/R Voices” touring Minnesota, and “Two-Spirit and Gender Diversity through History” at the new Orillia Recreation Centre in Ontario, Canada.

As we transition a return to school, I offer you an interview with Riley McMitchell, a Vancouver, BC elementary school principal. We share a passion for Adaptive Schools work and Cognitive Coaching as part of our leadership identity and it was certainly a pleasure interviewing him. Before his formal role in leadership, Riley has been a curriculum coordinator, mentor teacher, and elementary teacher.  Riley has presented across Canada and the United States on both instructional leadership and equity for LGBTQ2+ communities. He is a former board member of BC Learning Forward and a recent graduate of the Transformative Education Leadership Program at UBC. He is currently serving as the Director of Leadership and Learning for the Vancouver Elementary Principals and Vice-Principal's Association. Prior to becoming an educator, Riley sang opera professionally and still performs occasionally in his spare time. Currently in his role as school principal, Riley nurtures caring communities through creativity and collaboration.  While my episodes have not been as consistent as I hoped, I continue to endeavour to highlight the importance of one's leadership identity to be effective in today's complex educational systems. I also continue to promote the work of Adaptive Schools and am a Training Associate for Thinking Collaborative: https://www.thinkingcollaborative.com/aboutas  You can connect with me on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/drlucindawolters/  or through LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-lucinda-wolters-04155833/ 

In the face of escalating fascist ICE raids targeting both legal and illegal immigrants in America, the Squatter of Stornaway Poilievre's MAGA party stoking division, alarming threats to LGBTQ2 and the racist remarks from Premier Ford against First Nations, we stand at a critical juncture in Canadian history. With the ominous shadow of Ford's Trump-like power grab Bill 5 taking over our rights and environment, and a corporate media landscape increasingly dominated by MAGA-style propaganda, and hundreds of thousands of vulnerable Canadians living on the streets, it is clear that we can no longer afford to be passive.Canada Day is approaching, and Prime Minister Mark Carney is unveiling ambitious patriotic programs that inspire confidence, as well as some troubling legislation that could undermine our democratic process. This moment demands our attention—and our action.Join renowned social justice warrior and former politician, the Rev. Cheri DiNovo, as she speaks with host Laura Babcock in a captivating and eye-opening discussion on how we can successfully combat fascism in 2025. They'll explore the power of peaceful protests, such as #nokings on July 4, the impact of immediate social media responses, and how we can influence the political landscape with love and determination.Don't miss this powerful and essential conversation—it's not just about saving our democracy; it's about securing justice for all Canadians. Let's mobilize, inspire one another, and fight for the future we believe in. Every voice matters. Will you join us? Subscribe to build this pro-democracy conversation and let us know what YOU think! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Brighton will hold its third annual Pop Up Pride event on Saturday, June 21. As you will hear The post Brighton Pop-up Pride celebrates family and community, plus raising money for youth centre appeared first on Consider This. Related posts: Home Rainbow Youth Centre serving LGTBQ2+ community gets its official launch during Pride Month in Brighton Brighton joins with Peterborough group creating additional space for LGBTQ2+ youth and families Trent Hills celebrates with community as pride events get underway across Northumberland

Pride Flags are flying across Northumberland County as municipalities, local police, and other institutions honour Pride Month. This The post Trent Hills celebrates with community as pride events get underway across Northumberland appeared first on Consider This. Related posts: Trent Hills celebrates its first official Pride events with weekend packed with fun Trent Hills celebrates Pride month as anti-gay, anti-trans movement spreads in Ontario Northumberland Hills Hospital works within the community and itself to recognize LGBTQ2+ community

An exhibit at the Museum of Natural and Cultural History in Eugene, Oreg. assembles works by Native LGBTQ2 artists that express this moment in time. It is among the hundreds of events, including parades and panel discussions, to mark Pride Month. This year's push for awareness will have to go on without acknowledgement by the federal government, which is foregoing any mention of Pride. And the annual report by the advocacy group, GLAAD, notes that while violent incidents against gay and lesbian people are down as a whole in the past year, attacks against trans citizens has significantly increased. We'll check on the status of Native Pride. Plus, we'll get career highlights of the late actor Jonathan Joss (Comanche and White Mountain Apache) who died this week.

An exhibit at the Museum of Natural and Cultural History in Eugene, Oreg. assembles works by Native LGBTQ2 artists that express this moment in time. It is among the hundreds of events, including parades and panel discussions, to mark Pride Month. This year's push for awareness will have to go on without acknowledgement by the federal government, which is foregoing any mention of Pride. And the annual report by the advocacy group, GLAAD, notes that while violent incidents against gay and lesbian people are down as a whole in the past year, attacks against trans citizens has significantly increased. We'll check on the status of Native Pride. Plus, we'll get career highlights of the late actor Jonathan Joss (Comanche and White Mountain Apache) who died this week.

Campbellford Memorial Hospital recently launched a new program for patients waiting for ongoing care. It combines virtual care, The post New pilot program at Campbellford hospital bridges patient care at home while waiting to meet ongoing needs appeared first on Consider This. Related posts: Report emphasizes challenges facing rural hospitals like Campbellford, says CEO Hospital continues to operate over capacity, but everyone is getting care, says NHH CEO Northumberland Hills Hospital works within the community and itself to recognize LGBTQ2+ community

What does it mean to commit to performance so fully that it transforms how you move through the world? Winnipeg artist Shawna Dempsey reveals in this week's episode how performance art can be a radical tool for change. Dempsey recalls the inspiration behind some of her and collaborator Lori Millan's iconic works like Lesbian National Parks and Services, where she and Millan became uniformed officials "protecting the lesbian wilds" while educating the public about the inherent queerness of nature. Their performances blended humour, authority, and subversion to create transformative encounters decades before mainstream acceptance of LGBTQ+ identities. Learn about a time in the not-so distant-past where donning a ranger uniform emblazoned with the word "lesbian" forced constant coming out in 1990s Canada – a time when queer people had few legal protections and homophobia was abound. Dempsey and Millan are still creating work, like Thunderhead,  Canada's new LGBTQ2+ monument commemorating victims of The Purge. The financial realities of life as a non-commercial artist pose a counterpoint to creative freedom, and Dempsey explores how she walks this tightrope. Despite international recognition and exhibiting at prestigious institutions like MoMA and the Winnipeg Art Gallery, Dempsey remembers that sometimes the most they earned in a year was under $19,000 each while touring five months of the year. "Supporting oneself as an artist in Canada is very challenging, especially if you don't make anything saleable," she explains, detailing how they survived through teaching, writing, and "pretty much anything for $50."As co-executive director of Mentoring Artists for Women's Art (MAWA), Dempsey confronts the persistent inequality in visual arts, where women artists in Canada still earn only 70 cents for every dollar male artists make.  Aspiring artists will find wisdom in Dempsey's journey – from playing pretend as the famous artist "Miss Shawna from New York" as a child to creating groundbreaking feminist work that's changed lives. Her advice to artists? "Do it. What a wonderful way to live, because you get to go into the studio and think: what do I want to say today?"  Connect with us:Madison Beale, HostCroocial, ProductionBe a guest on The Artalogue Podcast

This week Daniel & Gavin discussed Canada's decline in support for the LGBTQ2 community based on a recent poll, and the general anger that seems to be very prevalent in the countryThe Global News poll showing declining support https://globalnews.ca/news/10538379/canada-lgbtq2-rights-poll/

The research is clear: investing in diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging contributes to your bottom line. I hate to be so crass about a topic that should just be something we care about as humans connecting with other humans, but with all the recent backlash about diversity and equity initiatives, we have to get executive attention somehow.Today, you will hear about what's driving that backlash and how we can fight against it through empathy and understanding. And why quite frankly, exclusion is bad for business.My guest is the charming Michael Bach. Michael shares how he got into this work, the stereotype of DEI practitioners, how to think about disability, the more dangerous role of apathy in fighting back against exclusion, the difference between diversity and inclusion, and he gives us a short primer on the Alphabet Soup of LGBTQ2+ initialism. To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at www.TheEmpathyEdge.com Key Takeaways:If you're trying to create any change, you need to understand how the organization operates from the inside.Disability is not one thing - there are hundreds of disabilities under the umbrella term. It needs to be considered as a range, not just one form of accessibility.It is not a competition. If we're creating safer environments for everyone, regardless of how they identify or what they need, it creates a safer more inclusive environment for everyone.There is a big difference between having diversity and being inclusive. The company is the soil that needs to be right for the seed of talent to thrive. "It's very difficult to quantify, but if you just look at it simply you can figure out that exclusion is just bad for business. And the reality is that most employers have figured that out." — Michael BachAbout Michael Bach, CEO. IDEA Hub Consulting, IDEA thought leaderMichael Bach is an author, speaker and thought leader in inclusion, diversity, equity and accessibility (IDEA). He has worked globally in the IDEA field, including as the Deputy Chief Diversity Officer for KPMG International. He is the founder of the Canadian Centre for Diversity and Inclusion (CCDI), CCDI Consulting and Pride at Work Canada.He is the author of the best-selling and award-winning books Birds of All Feathers: Doing Diversity and Inclusion Right and Alphabet Soup: The Essential Guide to LGBTQ2+ Inclusion at Work.In 2023, he was named as one of the 10 Most Influential DE&I Leaders Revamping The Future by CIO Views Magazine.Connect with Michael:IDEA Hub Consulting: michaelbach.comBooks:Birds of All Feathers: Doing Diversity and Inclusion RightAlphabet Soup: The Essential Guide to LGBTQ2+ Inclusion at WorkNew book: All About Yvie: Into the OddityX: twitter.com/themichaelbachLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/themichaelbachFacebook: facebook.com/themichaelbachInstagram: instagram.com/themichaelbachThreads: threads.net/@themichaelbachJoin the community and discover what empathy can do for you: red-slice.comPRE-SALE SPECIAL! Pre-order 1 to 99 copies of Maria's new book, The Empathy Dilemma for your leaders, exec team, (or yourself?!) and GET 30%! bit.ly/TEDSpecialPresale Offer ends August 27, 2024!Connect with Maria:Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.comLearn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.comHire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-RossTake my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with EmpathyLinkedIn: Maria RossInstagram: @redslicemariaX: @redsliceFacebook: Red SliceThreads: @redslicemaria

Energetic, trustworthy and inspiring, Layne, The Auctionista is an accomplished entertainer in the fundraising and event space. They have over 1,300 successful events under their belt and has raised over $40 million dollars for charities across North America. Layne has been leading the wave of philanthropy-based entertainment for over a decade. An experienced not for profit fundraiser, and performer with unparalleled energy and charisma, Layne is a game-changer in the live fundraising landscape.Layne is also a keynote speaker; engaging audiences about the importance of breaking down barriers and the power of finding your voice. Raw, honest and powerful, Layne delivers their story in a way that will motivates those listening to make life changes. They are a fierce advocate for the LGBTQ2+ community and uses their platform to encourage positive change, educate and inspire. --This episode of Breaking Brave is brought to you by:SOULSNACKS! Soul snacks are single ingredient, eco conscious dog and cat treats! Sourced directly from farms in Ontario and wrapped in fully compostable packaging. Treating your pets never felt so good. Head to https://soulsnacks.ca/ and use coupon code BREAKINGBRAVE for 15% off your purchase!!! ​&CRANK COFFEE the newest member of the Neal Brothers family. Crank Coffee is a new Canadian whole bean coffee brand that is certified organic and fair trade. Founded by the Neal Brothers Peter and Chris. This brand was influenced by cycling, coffee lovers, and experts! Check it out at the Neal brothers online shop here: https://shop.nealbrothersfoods.com/collections/crank%C2%AE-coffee-co and USE COUPON CODE BRAVE for 20% OFF Your first Crank Coffee purchase! --As always, thanks so much for tuning into Breaking Brave! If you like the show, please subscribe, review, and/or send us your suggestions or questions via the platforms below! For more from Marilyn Barefoot or to get in touch with her directly, please connect via:Marilyn's website: https://marilynbarefoot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilynbarefootbigideas/ Twitter: @MarilynBarefoot Instagram: @marilynbarefoot ABOUT Marilyn Barefoot, the Host of Breaking Brave:Breaking Brave is Hosted by Marilyn Barefoot, one of the foremost business coaches & creative ideators in North America - Marilyn gets hired by several of the world's biggest brands, companies, and organizations (the NHL, McDonald's, Deloitte, Coca-Cola, MTV, Viacom, The CFL, Forbes Magazine; to name just a few) to help them get unstuck and generate big, creative ideas.It helps us so much to have your feedback which goes a really long way in helping us shape the future of Breaking Brave and host the guests you're most interested in hearing from! So if you have the time, please subscribe, review, and connect with Marilyn on social media or through her website! And as always, thanks so much for tuning in!

If you'd like to learn more about mental health care by and for fat folks, please check out Tend and Cultivate Counselling.Michelle Osbourne (she/her) reinvented her life after divorce. She wanted to normalize being a fat, Black, queer woman and built her social media platform by sharing authentically and vulnerably about her life. Michelle also shares her beautiful engagement story!Michelle Osbourne is a body image activist and socialpreneur who specializes in helping marginalized communities build socially conscious brands. She works from an anti-racist, anti-oppression, intersectional feminist framework and can often be heard speaking on topics such as body image activism, self-confidence, marginalized woman issues and LGBTQ2+ rights.She was named one of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's Black Changemakers in 2021 and has worked with organizations such as Dove, SiriusXM and Bell just to name a few. She's also been frequently interviewed on radio, podcasts, T.V., magazines and owns her own communications studio Michelle Osbourne & Co. Michelle is the self-proclaimed SheEO of Giving Zero Fux body liberation content creator helping women gain the confidence to unapologetically live their best lives.Please connect with Michelle on her website, TikTok, and Instagram.This episode's poem is “Lover”by Ada Limon.Connect with Fat Joy on the website, Instagram, subscribe to the Fat Joy newsletter, and watch full video episodes on YouTube.Want to share some fattie love? Please rate this podcast and give it a joyful review.Our thanks to Chris Jones and AR Media for keeping this podcast looking and sounding joyful.

Torri is a busy guy. He works with many mental health advocacy groups and for the LGBTQ2+ community. He is also the founder of Tangible Movement, speaker and transgender. Before all this though Torri was a woman who grew up with a homophobic father, was suicidal and an addict. Torri tells his harrowing story in hopes to inspire others. How did Torri overcome his challenges? What lessons can we all learn from Torri's story? And how can we be there for others? Topics in this episode include depression, anxiety, eating disorders, suicide, addiction, trauma Please consider buying me a coffee here!  Check out the podcast merch store here! Purchase my children's book Sometimes Daddy Cries here! FOLLOW BUNNY HUGS AND MENTAL HEALTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook, Instagram, TikTok   Bunny Hugs and Mental Health is currently on the Top Ten Best Canadian Mental Health Podcasts list!  And the Top 100 Best Mental Health Podcasts on the internet! This episode is brought to you by Co-op Follow Co-op on social media @CoopCRS on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and @wearecoop on TikTok Follow this other great Canadian podcast Hard Knox Talks  Please donate to Cornwall Alternative School here

About one out of every six high school students report being bullied, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number goes up significantly — as much as 40% — for LGBTQ2 students. The death of non-binary Oklahoma teen Nex Benedict, ruled a suicide, is sparking widespread conversations about the consequences of bullying. The federal Government Accounting Office found in 2021 that racist bullying is also on the rise. We'll discuss strategies that are showing promise for combatting bullying.

Welcome to another episode of Spooky Gay Bullsh!t, our new weekly hangout where we break down all of the hot topics from the world of the weird, the scary, and issues that affect the LGBTQIA2+ community!This week, we cover: queerphobic lawmakers strike in Canada's Texas, an anti-LGBTQ2+ advocate gets caught rainbow-handed, a non-surfing truck gets one guy into trouble, otters help rebuild Californian shoreline, and the plague hits Oregon for the first time in eight years.See you next Friday for more Spooky Gay Bullsh!t!Join the Secret Society That Doesn't Suck for exclusive weekly mini episodes, livestreams, and a whole lot more! patreon.com/thatsspookyGet into our new apparel store and the rest of our merch! thatsspooky.com/storeCheck out our website for show notes, photos, and more at thatsspooky.comFollow us on Instagram for photos from today's episode and all the memes @thatsspookypodWe're on Twitter! Follow us at @thatsspookypodDon't forget to send your spooky gay B.S. to thatsspookypod@gmail.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Rupert is a Canadian trans man and activist of East Indian and Polish descent. In 1978, Raj started an organization for all gender divergent peoples called The Foundation for the Advancement of Canadian Transsexuals. Fact. Along with its accompanying newsletter, The Gender Review, a factual journal.His work has been recognized by several awards, as well as his inclusion in the National Portrait Collection of the Archives, Canada's LGBTQ2 plus archives.

Jann Arden and Caitlin Green start this episode with a discussion surrounding Taylor Swift's influence on the NFL and its fans, her brand value, and the controversy surrounding non-consensual AI-generated sexual images of her. Then, Jann brings up a difficult topic with Caitlin and Sarah, hoping to spotlight transgender rights for listeners to learn more about the announcement Danielle Smith made this week in Alberta and how it negatively impacts the LGBTQ2+ community. The conversation highlights the importance of support and community for individuals going through gender identity exploration. Jann is also excited to share an update on Bill C-355! Find out more about today's topics with these links, and please seek help if needed. We love our listeners: https://www.camh.ca/ https://cmha.ca/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwvKtBhDrARIsAJj-kTjxR3f0K3LcdeV_fk7bewnPXyjLAsHlXhwx1zKopdAMkoLvR2hCxjoaAsCyEALw_wcB https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/human_rights-droits_homme/rights_lgbti-droits_lgbti.aspx?lang=eng https://canadianhorsedefencecoalition.org/bill-c-355-an-act-to-end-the-cruel-air-shipments-of-live-horses-to-japan-for-slaughter-is-scheduled-for-a-vote-in-the-hoc-on-jan-31-24/ https://horseshit.ca/  

¿Has contemplado alguna vez la idea de dejar tu trabajo para emprender? En este episodio, nos sumergimos en el mundo del emprendimiento fintech, debatiendo los desafíos de abandonar la seguridad de un empleo corporativo en pos de crear un proyecto que no solo te apasione sino que también aporte valor a tus clientes. Si estás buscando inspiración o quizás considerando iniciar tu propia startup, este episodio es justo lo que necesitas. EPISODIO 136 FULL VIDEO PODCAST en Youtube ► https://youtu.be/IlZE1Tk4isU ✩ CURSOS DISPONIBLES

Hilary began her career at Owl Practice 5 years ago working to help support Therapists navigate the platform. She is a passionate advocate for mental health both professionally and in her personal life and has grown in her career with the organization where is currently the Director of Sales and Client Services.As a lifelong volunteer, Hilary is thrilled to continue her career with Owl Practice, currently helping to nurture customer relationships and grow the company's software to better serve mental health professionals. Hilary is also an active volunteer in the LGBTQ2+ community, leading a support group for women new to coming out.In This EpisodeOwl Practice---What's new with The Trauma Therapist Project!The Trauma 5: gold nuggets from my 700+ interviewsThe Trauma Therapist Newsletter: a monthly resource of information and inspiration dedicated to trauma therapists.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5739761/advertisement

I have a very special guest with me, Prasanna Ranganathan. He is a human rights lawyer, diversity, equity, and inclusion practitioner, accessibility advisor, documentary filmmaker, and author. And I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but October, It's National Disability Employment Awareness Month. And on today's episode, Prasanna talks to us all about disability rights, disclosing your disability, and steps to improving disability inclusion and belonging. Prasanna (he/him) is a documentary producer, human rights lawyer, diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging (DEIB) consultant, accessibility advisor, speaker, writer, and arts correspondent. Prasanna leads his own DEIB consultancy Prasanna Ranganathan Consulting and previously served as the Head of Diversity and Belonging at Shopify and as a human rights lawyer with the Government of Canada, the United Nations, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission, and the Independent Street Checks Review. Prasanna is a Consulting Producer on the 2021 docuseries Born for Business about entrepreneurs with disabilities (NBC Peacock, Crave) and a seasoned speaker on DEIB and disability, having spoken at Chronicon and having served as a Guest Lecturer at the University of Southern California Annenberg Inclusion Initiative on inclusive storytelling. Proudly claiming his identity as a racialized, LGBTQ2+ person with a disability (blindness), Prasanna is a board member of the Disability Screen Office and a past board member of Inside Out Film Festival (the largest LGBTQ+ film festival in Canada). Additional Resources: https://www.doctorgretchenhawley.com/insider Reach out to Me: hello@doctorgretchenhawley.com Website: www.MSingLink.com Social: ★ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/mswellness ★ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doctor.gretchen ★ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/doctorgretchenhawley?sub_confirmation=1 → Game Changers Course: https://www.doctorgretchenhawley.com/GameChangersCourse → Total Core Program: https://www.doctorgretchenhawley.com/TotalCoreProgram → The MSing Link: https://www.doctorgretchenhawley.com/TheMSingLink

LGBTQ issues have been in the news, particularly with more parents and concerned citizens worried about school curricula including discussions on gender fluidity and sexual orientation. I chat with Dean Lobo and Reenita V of the 519, a local non-profit in Toronto that works with the LGBTQ2+ community on these issues.Connect with the 519: https://www.the519.org/The 519's Media Guide: https://the519mediaguide.org/-SUPPORT THE OPEN MINDS PODCAST-

Seg 1: Could the biggest threat to humanity be our own intelligence? Guest: Dr. Richard van Oort, Professor of English Literature at the University of Victoria Seg 2: Scotts Thoughts on phone etiquette. When is the proper time to leave a message or make a phone call to someone? Text messages exist right??? Guest: Scott Shantz, Contributor for Mornings with Simi Seg 3: View From Victoria: The Premier will be available for questioning on his trip to Ottawa. He is expected to address the progress in federal support for infrastructure. Guest: The Vancouver Sun's Vaughn Palmer is here with his take on the day's headlines. Seg 4: Recent international controversies that have put Canada in the spotlight, shedding light on the complexities and challenges facing the nation's foreign policy landscape. Guest: Vincent Rigby, Former National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Prime Minister Seg 5: Is there an increase in couples who are deciding to only have one child? Guest: Scott Shantz, Contributor for Mornings with Simi and Jen Dalton, Writer and One and Done Parenting Advocate Seg 6: How should municipalities make housing more affordable for the working class? Guest: Lilian Chau, Chief Executive Officer of Entres Nous Femmes Housing Society Seg 7: Canada has overlooked and even provided official cover for organizations founded by Nazis. Guest: Ivan Katchanovski, Professor of Political Studies, Conflict Studies and Human Rights at the University of Ottawa Seg 8: Celebrating the Queer Heroes that shaped Vancouver ted northe, an activist for queer and trans liberation in Canada, played a crucial role in advocating for LGBTQ2+ rights during a time when homosexuality was criminalized and persecuted. Guest: Glenn Tkach, Storyteller and Creator of the Really Gay History Tour for Forbidden Walking Tours Vancouver Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Where We Live: ted northe, an activist for queer and trans liberation in Canada, played a crucial role in advocating for LGBTQ2+ rights during a time when homosexuality was criminalized and persecuted. Guest: Glenn Tkach, Storyteller and Creator of the Really Gay History Tour for Forbidden Walking Tours Vancouver Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Patrick Horrigan's novel, American Scholar (Lethe Press 2023) centers on James (Jimmy) Fitzgerald, who teaches American Literature at a prestigious university, is in a happy (open) marriage that allows him to enjoy a much younger boyfriend, and has just published a novel about literary critic, Harvard Professor of History and Literature, F.O. Matthiesen, who was forced to hide his love for artist Russell Cheney during a time before homosexual love and marriage were accepted. The sister of Jimmy's first serious boyfriend shows up at a book signing for Jimmy's new novel and hands him a letter that sends him spinning back to memories of the first man he ever loved. James describes his sexual awakening and recalls haunting moments with Gregory, whose self-destructive personality was part of Jimmy's impetus for writing American Scholar. Horrigan's novel, which weaves in the study of Queer Theory, Jimmy's sexual awakening, and fears of the AIDS virus then sweeping across the globe. Horrigan whips back and forth from that difficult time to 2016, when his now middle-aged protagonist is now a professor and published author, but political polarization following the presidential election has inspired new fears throughout the gay community. Born and raised in Reading, Pennsylvania, Patrick E. Horrigan received his BA from The Catholic University of America and his PhD from Columbia University. He is the author of the novel Pennsylvania Station (Lethe Press; Indie Book Award finalist for best LGBTQ2 fiction) and the novel Portraits at an Exhibition (Lethe Press; winner of the Dana Award for fiction as well as the Mary Lynn Kotz Art-in-Literature Award, sponsored by the Library of Virginia and the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts). His other works include the memoir Widescreen Dreams: Growing up Gay at the Movies (University of Wisconsin Press), the play Messages for Gary: A Drama in Voicemail, and (with Eduardo Leanez) the solo show “You Are Confused”! He has written artists' catalogue essays for Thion's LIMI-TATE: DRAWINGS OF LIFE AND DREAMS (cueB Gallery, London) and Ernesto Pujol's LOSS OF FAITH (Galeria Ramis Barquet, New York). His essay “The Inner Life of Ordinary People” appears in Anthony Enns' and Christopher R. Smit's “Screening Disability: Essays on Cinema and Disability” (University Press of America). Horrigan and Eduardo Leanez are the hosts of “Actors with Accents”, a recurring variety show in Manhattan. Winner of Long Island University's David Newton Award for Excellence in Teaching, he taught literature for twenty-five years at LIU Brooklyn. He has played the piano throughout his life and currently works as a tour guide at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, where he lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

Patrick Horrigan's novel, American Scholar (Lethe Press 2023) centers on James (Jimmy) Fitzgerald, who teaches American Literature at a prestigious university, is in a happy (open) marriage that allows him to enjoy a much younger boyfriend, and has just published a novel about literary critic, Harvard Professor of History and Literature, F.O. Matthiesen, who was forced to hide his love for artist Russell Cheney during a time before homosexual love and marriage were accepted. The sister of Jimmy's first serious boyfriend shows up at a book signing for Jimmy's new novel and hands him a letter that sends him spinning back to memories of the first man he ever loved. James describes his sexual awakening and recalls haunting moments with Gregory, whose self-destructive personality was part of Jimmy's impetus for writing American Scholar. Horrigan's novel, which weaves in the study of Queer Theory, Jimmy's sexual awakening, and fears of the AIDS virus then sweeping across the globe. Horrigan whips back and forth from that difficult time to 2016, when his now middle-aged protagonist is now a professor and published author, but political polarization following the presidential election has inspired new fears throughout the gay community. Born and raised in Reading, Pennsylvania, Patrick E. Horrigan received his BA from The Catholic University of America and his PhD from Columbia University. He is the author of the novel Pennsylvania Station (Lethe Press; Indie Book Award finalist for best LGBTQ2 fiction) and the novel Portraits at an Exhibition (Lethe Press; winner of the Dana Award for fiction as well as the Mary Lynn Kotz Art-in-Literature Award, sponsored by the Library of Virginia and the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts). His other works include the memoir Widescreen Dreams: Growing up Gay at the Movies (University of Wisconsin Press), the play Messages for Gary: A Drama in Voicemail, and (with Eduardo Leanez) the solo show “You Are Confused”! He has written artists' catalogue essays for Thion's LIMI-TATE: DRAWINGS OF LIFE AND DREAMS (cueB Gallery, London) and Ernesto Pujol's LOSS OF FAITH (Galeria Ramis Barquet, New York). His essay “The Inner Life of Ordinary People” appears in Anthony Enns' and Christopher R. Smit's “Screening Disability: Essays on Cinema and Disability” (University Press of America). Horrigan and Eduardo Leanez are the hosts of “Actors with Accents”, a recurring variety show in Manhattan. Winner of Long Island University's David Newton Award for Excellence in Teaching, he taught literature for twenty-five years at LIU Brooklyn. He has played the piano throughout his life and currently works as a tour guide at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, where he lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/literature

Patrick Horrigan's novel, American Scholar (Lethe Press 2023) centers on James (Jimmy) Fitzgerald, who teaches American Literature at a prestigious university, is in a happy (open) marriage that allows him to enjoy a much younger boyfriend, and has just published a novel about literary critic, Harvard Professor of History and Literature, F.O. Matthiesen, who was forced to hide his love for artist Russell Cheney during a time before homosexual love and marriage were accepted. The sister of Jimmy's first serious boyfriend shows up at a book signing for Jimmy's new novel and hands him a letter that sends him spinning back to memories of the first man he ever loved. James describes his sexual awakening and recalls haunting moments with Gregory, whose self-destructive personality was part of Jimmy's impetus for writing American Scholar. Horrigan's novel, which weaves in the study of Queer Theory, Jimmy's sexual awakening, and fears of the AIDS virus then sweeping across the globe. Horrigan whips back and forth from that difficult time to 2016, when his now middle-aged protagonist is now a professor and published author, but political polarization following the presidential election has inspired new fears throughout the gay community. Born and raised in Reading, Pennsylvania, Patrick E. Horrigan received his BA from The Catholic University of America and his PhD from Columbia University. He is the author of the novel Pennsylvania Station (Lethe Press; Indie Book Award finalist for best LGBTQ2 fiction) and the novel Portraits at an Exhibition (Lethe Press; winner of the Dana Award for fiction as well as the Mary Lynn Kotz Art-in-Literature Award, sponsored by the Library of Virginia and the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts). His other works include the memoir Widescreen Dreams: Growing up Gay at the Movies (University of Wisconsin Press), the play Messages for Gary: A Drama in Voicemail, and (with Eduardo Leanez) the solo show “You Are Confused”! He has written artists' catalogue essays for Thion's LIMI-TATE: DRAWINGS OF LIFE AND DREAMS (cueB Gallery, London) and Ernesto Pujol's LOSS OF FAITH (Galeria Ramis Barquet, New York). His essay “The Inner Life of Ordinary People” appears in Anthony Enns' and Christopher R. Smit's “Screening Disability: Essays on Cinema and Disability” (University Press of America). Horrigan and Eduardo Leanez are the hosts of “Actors with Accents”, a recurring variety show in Manhattan. Winner of Long Island University's David Newton Award for Excellence in Teaching, he taught literature for twenty-five years at LIU Brooklyn. He has played the piano throughout his life and currently works as a tour guide at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, where he lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/lgbtq-studies

Seg 1: Chinese e-commerce giant Shein has joined forces with Forever 21 for a dynamic partnership. Guest: Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas, Professor of Marketing and Sustainable Business | British School of Fashion, GCU London Seg 2: View From Victoria: We get a local look at the top political stories with the help of Rob Shaw, Political Correspondent for CHEK News. Seg 3: In light of recent legal developments, Canada's travel advisory now includes a reminder for travelers to the U.S. to review state and local laws, especially regarding the LGBTQ2 community. Guest: Michelle Fortin, Co-Chair of Vancouver Pride Society Seg 4: With inflation and the high cost of basic necessities, many people are struggling just to make ends meet. Saving for retirement or your child's post secondary education seems impossible. Guest: Tim Cestnick, CEO and founder of Our Family Office Seg 5: Concerns arise as some schools in B.C. might face delayed openings due to an ongoing teacher shortage. According to the BC Teachers' Federation, teacher vacancies are slightly more prevalent this year compared to the previous one. Guest: Clint Johnston, President, BC Teachers' Federation Seg 6: According to new UBC research, self-driving cars might require a gradual introduction in British Columbia to address mixed perceptions around safety. Guest: Dr. Alex Bigazzi, associate professor of civil engineering at UBC and REACT principal investigator. Seg 7: Recently, Victoria Police Chief, Const. Del Manak, shared an incident where a driver flicked a lit cigarette onto a grass median, resulting in a $575 ticket. Guest: Const. Del Manak, Victoria Police Chief Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In light of recent legal developments, Canada's travel advisory now includes a reminder for travelers to the U.S. to review state and local laws, especially regarding the LGBTQ2 community. Guest: Michelle Fortin, Co-Chair of Vancouver Pride Society Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Courtnei Lee (Millennial) joins Team Canny (Emma, Yo, Kiki) in this episode to discuss OYT Cosmetics (OYTC), a company she founded and where she is CEO. During the episode we get into some really delicious conversation about authenticity & beauty, plus we got to play and talk about her cosmetic line! What fun is that?!   OYTC is a Vancouver-based, LGBTQ2+-owned and operated company committed to delivering ethical, cruelty-free beauty products that inspire inclusion around the globe. “Our goal at OYTC is to ensure that no one gets left behind. Our mission is to not just create an inclusive space to deliver high-end beauty products; but to encourage inclusive behaviors and safe environments everywhere we go. We want to break down barriers and open up space for conversations that bring us closer to a more connected and compassionate world.” She is definitely a girl taking the lead!   3 Episode Takeaways: 1.    OYTC addresses the lack of accessibility in the world of beauty with grace, style and professionalism. 2.    Emma/Yo/Kiki are very satisfied OYTC customers and we agree that the one product everyone should try is the tinted moisturizer! 3.    OYTC defines what it is to be inclusive!   As Mentioned in the Episode:   OYT Cosmetics   Canny OYT Favorites:   Kiki: Everyday Goddess Liner Emma: Bussy Gurl Eye 6 Shade Shadow Palette Yo: Tint & Touch Up Tinted Moisturizer   Related Episode:  Ep 57 Lashlighting – Authenticity in the Internet Culture Ep 75 Influencer Industry Discussion More about Courtnei: Courtnei Lee is a transactivist, influencer and entrepreneur born and raised in Vancouver, BC. As a young transwoman, she found empowerment in the world of cosmetics and beauty. In 2019 she recognized there was still a massive lack of accessible trans representation and content in the world of beauty. Courtnei launched her first brand, CL Essentials and it quickly gained traction due to her authentic and open storytelling. In 2022, CL Essentials rebranded as OYT Cosmetics; what started as a passion for cosmetics turned into a movement advocating for diversity, inclusion, education and empowerment. Courtnei's work earned recognition from prominent media outlets such as Women In Business, Success Magazine, Elle Canada, and LA Weekly for her groundbreaking efforts within the industry. Using her platform, Courtnei continues to advocate for trans rights and visibility globally.   Ways to reach Courtnei:   eMail: management@courtneilee.com Website: www.courtneilee.com www.oytc.ca Tik Tok/Instagram: @oytcosmetics @courtneilee    Ways to reach Team Canny:    Our website: www.girltaketheleadpod.com  You can send a message or voicemail there. We'd love to hear from you!   email: emilyfcanny@gmail.com (Emma) kjcanny@gmail.com (Kiki)  yo@yocanny.com (Yo)   FB group: Girl, Take the Lead https://www.facebook.com/groups/272025931481748/?ref=share   IG: yocanny (Yo) leatherboundgremlin (Emma) keeks.ters (Kiki)   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yocanny/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmacanny/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/kikicanny/  

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While Israel lived in Shittim, the people began to whore with the daughters of Moab. Numbers 25:1 These women here, on Balaam's advice, made the Israelites act treacherously against the Lord in the affair of Peor, so that the plague came among the congregation of Yahweh. Numbers 31:16 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 1 Timothy 2:11-12 As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 1 Corinthians 33b-35   This Episode's Links: (All timestamps offset by 24-seconds) 00:00 –Numbers 25 03:36 – Thoughts on the Passage 24:14 - Viewers express shock that 'Jeopardy!' contestants couldn't solve elementary Bible-knowledge clue about the Lord's Prayer – Alex Nitzberg, The Blaze 28:56 - Justin Trudeau: "I will never apologize for standing up for LGDP, eh, LGT, LB-chi ... LGBTQ2+ kids" – Edward Teach, NTB 32:47 - ‘They're Liars': Ben Shapiro's Not Buying WH Shock Over Topless Trans Person At Pride Event – Katie Jerkovich, DW 39:11 - Fellas, listen to this man, and make sure your kids are protected – Daniel Plainview, NTB 50:28 - ‘Sesame Street' Dragged On Twitter For Sharing Progress Pride Flag – Amanda Harding, DW 55:14 - Middle schoolers staged a revolt on the day they were told to wear rainbow colors to celebrate pride. They wore red, white, and blue, and said their pronouns were "U.S.A." Woke faculty is freaking out. – Edward Teach, NTB 1:00:57 - Death toll of doomsday starvation cult in Kenya reaches 300, and over 600 more are missing – Carlos Garcia, The Blaze 1:12:01 - It's official: Southern Baptist Convention votes to disfellowship Saddleback Church for ordaining women pastors. Come watch Rick Warren and Al Mohler's epic debate on the issue. – John Knox, NTB --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/garrett-ashley-mullet/message

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[00:30] Democratic Election Interference (17 minutes) If Donald Trump wasn't running for president, radical Democrats would leave him alone. But because they are so fearful of his return, they're ramping up any sort of legal effort they possibly can to imprison him. [17:30] Pence Abandons January 6 Trespassers (10 minutes) Mike Pence announced his campaign for the presidency yesterday. During an interview, he was asked about possibly pardoning people who were wrongfully imprisoned for walking through the doors at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Pence said he wouldn't pardon any of the protesters. [28:00] Trump Interview (14 minutes) During a recent interview, Donald Trump said attempts to indict him is a form of election interference. “They're trying to interfere in the election by doing this,” he said. “And I think they'll do it because I think they're crazy.” [42:00] Trudeau Can't Pronounce LGBTQ2+ (5 minutes) The ever woke Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau struggled this week to utter every letter and symbol of LGBTQ2+. [47:00] Instagram Facilitates Pedophilia (8 minutes) Earlier this week the Wall Street Journal published an exposé on how Instagram facilitates the distribution of child pornography. At one point, Instagram set up a pop-up screen to warn users they were about to see “images of child sexual abuse,” but it offered a click-through anyway. How is it that these Big Tech companies are able to instantaneously remove content about the 2020 election steal but permit so much criminal activity to go on at the same time?

I'm afraid that Canada is now the most dangerous place in the world for freedom of speech. Look at this insane press conference just this week, from the provincial legislature in Ontario https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1643578610098356232 In case you missed it, she wants massive fines and even jail for being merely “offensive remarks” or “protests”. You probably didn't notice it, but I called her a "she", instead of "they-them." So I just broke her proposed law, right there. I misgendered her. That's “offensive” to her. It's pretty clear that she is offended all the time. You could say she is offended for a living. But there is no human right not to be offended. That's a counterfeit human right. Which now takes precedence over real human rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of thought. Canada's great history of civil liberties is coming to an end. A few weeks ago, Jyoti Gondek, the mayor of Calgary, Canada's fourth-largest city, announced the same thing: that anyone who says something she finds hateful or vitriolic, or lying should be arrested and fined. Some might say she is hateful and vitriolic and tells lies. Those aren't crimes by the way. That mayor publicly demanded that police arrest a pastor named Derek Reimer because she found him offensive. So they arrested Pastor Reimer, and jailed him — for being offensive.  There are a lot of arrests of peaceful political critics in Canada these days. Pastor Artur Pawlowski was jailed for a month and a half for keeping his church open during the lockdowns. Justin Trudeau invoked martial law and had peaceful trucker protesters arrested and jailed for the sin of embarrassing him on the world stage. He also seized the bank accounts of hundreds of other peaceful critics of his regime. In his defence, he did try to warn us about his beliefs, even before he was elected https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1626579644714557442 When a politician says he admires Communist China precisely because of its basic dictatorship, we should believe him. When Fidel Castro died, Trudeau wrote a eulogy like a son would write for a father. Cuban health care is a disaster. “while a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro's supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el comandante”." Is that what his “detractors” say, from their prison cells? That Castro was just a loveable old dictator who really had their best interests at heart? So gross. https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1621245655850303489 But here's the thing. Arresting peaceful protesters, deploying riot police to stomp on your critics, seizing bank accounts — it looks awful. It's messy. It's so obviously controlled by politicians and it's so obviously designed to stifle political dissent. But if you're going to silence someone, the way to do it in 2023 is much different from how Castor did it a generation ago. And Trudeau knows that. And while his allies are having noisy press conferences where they absolutely make it clear that they're all about silencing their political enemies, Trudeau is smarter than that. You see, the truly modern fascist uses the Internet, not the police, to censor people wherever possible. When you take over the Internet, there are no shocking TV images of cops beating up your opponents. It's all done online. There's nothing to see. And that's what I want to warn the world about — that's the message that everyone who loves or even just likes Canada needs to know: Trudeau has embarked on a massive legislative program to censor the Internet. He's going through it in four stages, the first of which is about to become law within weeks. Trudeau has four laws set up like dominos. The first leads to the second, which leads to the third and so-on. He's doing it in stages. If he were to do it all at once people might panic and rise up. But he's going it incrementally. But the first domino will fall in weeks maybe even days. BILL C-11 Later this month, Trudeau's majority in the Senate will approve bill C-11, which amends the Broadcasting Act. In a way, this is the most important stage, the first domino, because until now, the government hasn't been able to regulate what's on the Internet. Until now, only regular television and radio have been regulated by Trudeau and his hand-picked censors at the CRTC, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission. It even sounds archaic, doesn't it? What's a radio-television? Is that like a motion picture or something? Anyways, that dinosaur regulator, which has been an utter failure and has driven so much talent out of Canada, will now control the Internet — by declaring that social media companies are now “broadcasters” that can be regulated like TV stations. This enactment amends the Broadcasting Act to, among other things, (a) add online undertakings — undertakings for the transmission or retransmission of programs over the Internet — as a distinct class of broadcasting undertakings” In the past, the government could only bully radio and TV stations into silencing voices the government didn't like. About 20 years ago, the Liberal government refused to renew the licence of a politically incorrect radio station in Quebec called Choi-FM — effectively killing it. It was only saved when 50,000 listeners marched in the streets of Quebec City, and another 5,000 went all the way to Ottawa to protest the censorship — only then did the government relent. Here's a news clip from the Parliament Hill protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-yDalFUU8Q That's incredible, and it was incredible to see other media support Choi-FM. These days, the mainstream media takes the lead in censoring and cancelling voices they don't like. So that's the main threat of C-11: it declares that Facebook and Google and YouTube and Twitter are now broadcasters. And they have to do what the government says, or they'll be punished like CHOI-FM was. You can see the outlines of what Trudeau plans to do with his new power. Look at the section. 9.1., called “conditions”. As in, Trudeau can now put editorial conditions on Internet companies. Conditions 9.1 (1) The Commission may, in furtherance of its ob- jects, make orders imposing conditions on the carrying on of broadcasting undertakings that the Commission considers appropriate for the implementation of the broadcasting policy set out in subsection 3(1), including conditions respecting…” and then a list of things. If I were Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk, I might object to a few of these conditions. Like this one: “9o) the provision to the Commission, by persons carrying on broadcasting undertakings, of any other information that the Commission considers necessary for the administration of this Act, including (i) financial or commercial information, (ii) information related to programming, (iii) information related to expenditures made under sections 11.1, and 35 (iv) information related to audience measurement, other than information that could identify any individual audience member So now social media companies — including Elon Musk's privately-held Twitter — now have to answer any private business question put to them by Trudeau. There are sixteen items in that list of conditions. But here's one that really worried me from a censorship point of view. It's subsection e. Trudeau can make orders regarding: "(e) the presentation of programs and programming services for selection by the public, including the showcasing and the discoverability of Canadian pro- grams and programming services…" So Trudeau can order Twitter, Facebook, Google, or YouTube to alter the algorithm to interfere with what you can find. Trudeau can force social media companies to “showcase” whatever content he wants and to alter the “discoverability” of it. So he can boost his friends and have companies hide his enemies. It effectively nationalizes social media — now it is all under Trudeau's control. So it's not just C-11. It's what comes after C-11 that's terrifying. Because once Trudeau has the power to regulate the Internet, only then will he reveal what he will do with it. And as we saw during the trucker convoy, he will suspend civil liberties if it suits him. BILL C-18 C-11 is just step one. But Trudeau already has another bill in Parliament called C-18, or the Online News Act. And just like C-11 makes social media companies “broadcasters” for Trudeau to regulate, C-18 creates a new thing, called “digital intermediaries. Here's how that's defined in the bill: "digital news intermediary means an online communications platform, including a search engine or social media service, that is subject to the legislative authority of Parliament and that makes news content produced by news outlets available to persons in Canada.” So that's a fancy way of saying any sort of search engine. And every social media platform has that, by the way. Not just explicit search engines like Google. But also YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Anything with a search engine, that if you type in something, like “carbon tax” or “Trudeau blackface” it returns a list of links for news stories. Just the headline, maybe the first sentence, and a link to click if you want to see more. Now, as you know, that's how the Internet works — things link to other things. For free. No one has to pay for a link, no one has to get paid for a link. People generally love getting linked to, since it sends traffic to what you're doing. If a bunch of people post a story to Facebook about a Rebel News story, we love it, because they click the link and come to our site, and that's good for us. In fact, many news companies pay to promote themselves on search engines — sometimes you see ads show up in the search results (marked as ads). So obviously if newspapers are advertising on Facebook or Google, it's because they see value in it. But what C-18 does is it forces social media companies and search engines to pay any news organization they link to. They are literally going to be compelled to pay to link to someone. Here's how a Liberal MP Lisa Hepfner put it: https://twitter.com/lisahepfner/status/1603134194909171714 gov't will always support quality, fact-based and local Canadian journalism in a fair digital marketplace. This bill makes it harder for big digital platforms like Facebook and Google to steal local journalists' articles and repost them without credit on one of their networks 3/3 Yeah, when Google links to a story, it's not stealing. That's disinformation, isn't it? But look at her language — the government will support quality, fact-based journalism. What does that mean? Well, again, it means only journalism that Trudeau likes will be subsidized. It's right in the law: Eligible news businesses — designation 27 (1) At the request of a news business, the Commission must, by order, designate the business as eligible if it 30 (a) is a qualified Canadian journalism organization as defined in subsection 248(1) of the Income Tax Act That qualified Canadian journalism organization designation is really a Canadian news licence — if you have it, it means Trudeau “trusts” you. If you don't, he demonizes you as misinformation. We applied for that QCJO status, and the government reviewed hundreds of Rebel News stories and bizarrely declared that what we do is not news. Huh? It's called Rebel News. It's not sports or weather or cooking. They literally said 99% of what we do isn't newsy. That's bizarre, and we are legally appealing that decision. But it's pretty obvious why we were denied, but hard-left-wing media groups like the Tides Foundation-backed National Observer get the designation: because they're in step with Trudeau's regime. So C-11 commandeers the Internet. And lets Trudeau manipulate the algorithm. C-18 makes big tech companies pay money to journalists in Canada — but only to the journalists that Trudeau likes, not the ones he doesn't like. That's handy. By the way, Facebook has said that if they're forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to link to Trudeau's favourite journalists, they just won't link to Trudeau's favourite journalists. They say it's not a moneymaker for them, and if Trudeau really thinks it's “stealing” to link to the Globe and Mail or whoever, then they'll stop doing it. Google is soldiering doing the same — and Trudeau calls that “blocking” news sites. Got it. So if you link to them, you're stealing. If you don't link to them, you're blocking them. The only solution is to give hundreds of millions of dollars — but only to journalists that Trudeau's hand-picked cronies approve. Not to Rebel News — we don't have a government news licence. So that's C-18, it's Trudeau's second censorship bill. BILL C-36 C-36 is the next one. It was actually introduced in the last Parliament but didn't get passed before the election was called. Trudeau has said they'll reintroduce it. It's terrifying. Because it doesn't just deal with money and algorithms. It gets right into what you can or can't say — and it has jail terms and huge fines if you say the things Trudeau doesn't like. Let me read to you its formal name, and you can get the picture:"An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Canadian Human Rights Act and to make related amendments to another Act (hate propaganda, hate crimes and hate speech)” Yeah. Trudeau calls people haters all the time — Islamophobes, transphobes, racists, whatever. He usually just means those as insults. But now he means them as crimes. So if you oppose him, he'll call you names and charge you with crimes. If you don't believe me, read the bill. Just to start, hate propaganda is already in our Criminal Code. Section 318 of our Criminal Code already makes it a crime to advocate for genocide; section 319 makes it a crime to incite hatred. But C-36 goes much further. It's pretty brief. But it tries to criminalize feelings. Including hate: hatred means the emotion that involves detestation or vilification and that is stronger than dislike or disdain; It's totalitarian to pass laws telling people how to feel and think. You can't tell someone simply not to be upset; try that with your wife or husband: just order them not to feel bad; they'll feel worse. Hate often comes from an underlying grievance; if you don't deal with that in some way, you can “ban” hate all you like, but it won't work — in fact, you'll probably make it worse. So they've defined the feelings you're not allowed to have. And now they're going to ban it. You see, they've decided to regulate the Internet. They've got their bureaucrats at the CRTC through C-11. They're getting the big tech companies through C-18. C-36 is where they really come for you: Communication of hate speech 13 (1) It is a discriminatory practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the Internet or other means of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination. Who knows if something will foment hate? I'm pretty sure they'll say everything foments hate — these people are professionally offended, it's their job and their hobby and their sense of identity. For the purposes of subsection (1), a person who communicates or causes to be communicated hate speech continues to do so for as long as the hate speech remains public and the person can remove or block access to it. That means if you Tweeted or Facebooked something even years ago, even when you were a kid, you're still guilty of that hate crime today. There is no statute of limitations. You know, in real courts there's the idea of being able to confront your accuser. To look them in the eye and challenge them. Not here — Trudeau is setting up a secret course. Complaints about hate speech will be made in secret — and these secret complainants can get up to $20 grand for their complaints. It's a new industry: Non-disclosure of identity — Commission (8) The Commission may deal with a complaint in rela-tion to a discriminatory practice described in section 13 without disclosing, to the person against whom the com-plaint was filed or to any other person, the identity of the alleged victim, the individual or group of individuals who has filed the complaint or any individual who has given evidence or assisted the Commission in any way in dealing with the complaint, if the Commission considers that there is a real and substantial risk that any of those individuals will be subjected to threats, intimidation or discrimination. Secret courts, secret witnesses, secret complaints. A rival; an ex; a disgruntled former employee; or a political prankster. You can be sued forever, endlessly, and you won't even know by whom. You can be ordered to pay huge fines:  (b) an order to pay compensation of not more than $20,000 to any victim personally identified in the communication that constituted the discriminatory practice But there's something in here even more amazing: "pre-crimes”. Like in the movie Minority Report. Even if you haven't done anything yet, you can still be prosecuted. I'm not kidding: Fear of hate propaganda offence or hate crime 810.012 (1) A person may, with the Attorney General's consent, lay an information before a provincial court judge if the person fears on reasonable grounds that an- other person will commit (a) an offence under section 318 or subsection 319(1) 5 or (2)  (b) an offence under subsection 430(4.1);  (c) an offence motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or any other similar factor. So even if someone hasn't broken the law yet, but you're afraid they might, you can go to court and strike first. And if a judge says your fear is reasonable, he'll lock up the person you're afraid of, even if that person hasn't done anything, doesn't do anything, or won't ever do anything. He'll issue an order against him. Do you think this just might, maybe, be abused? Getting your opponents locked up, even before they say anything? You can be put under house arrest, with a curfew; have your firearms seized; have an ankle bracelet put on you; be banned from using drugs or booze; things that normally happen only to convicted criminals who actually did something. THE ONLINE HARMS ACT And they saved the worst for last — the Online Harms Act, which hasn't been introduced yet, or given a number. C-11 uses a slow and dumb bureaucracy called the CRTC. C-18 is the same. C-36 includes huge fines and jail time, but at least involves some judges. But none of that is tough enough and punitive for Trudeau. So his final bill, out of the four, creates a new Internet censorship office, with the Orwelling name of "Digital Safety Commissioner of Canada.” • The Act should provide for the establishment of the Digital Safety Commissioner, whose functions are to: • Oversee and improve online content moderation, by: • Administering and enforcing obligations; • Engaging with and considering the particular needs of and barriers faced by groups disproportionately affected by harmful online content such as women and girls, Indigenous Peoples, members of racialized communities and religious minorities and of LGBTQ2 and gender-diverse communities and persons with disabilities; and • Supporting platforms in reducing harmful content affecting peoples in Canada. • Engage in partnerships, education outreach activities, and research, to help fulfill the policy objectives of the Act. So an ultimate, unaccountable, hunter-killer to silence anything “harmful”. And by harmful, they mean whatever this censor doesn't like. Trudeau proposes extreme ideas like website takedowns within 24 hours — no time for any sort of hearing. If Trudeau or his team don't like something, they order a social media company to take it down, and it must come down within 24 hours. https://www.michaelgeist.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Twitter-Submission-Online-Harms-Consultation. Twitter's response to this — and let me emphasize, this is from before Elon Musk took over Twitter. So this was when Twitter was pretty pro-censorship itself. Twitter wrote a private memo to Trudeau, warning that this is literally the stuff that North Korea does — they made that comparison: ISSUE: 24-HOUR TAKEDOWN REQUIREMENTS Twitter opposes the recommendation of a time limit on “addressing” any content “flagged” by any person in Canada as “harmful” content. • The proposed time limit does not allow for judicious, thoughtful analysis in a manner that balances the right to freedom of expression in Canada with the right to freedom from discrimination and prejudice. • According to existing research and analysis, the proposed system has a high probability of negatively impacting marginalized, racialized and intersectional groups. More information from Prof. Suzie Dunn at Dalhousie University can be found here. • The 24-hour proposal should be abandoned. Content should be addressed as quickly and as possible and within the scope of existing Canadian jurisprudence, terms of service and rules by the online communication service providers. • Further, any standard applied in the digital world should also be applied in real life. For example, law enforcement should be required to both launch an investigation within 24 hours of “flagging” as well as remove any hateful content - graffiti on a statue for example - that appears within 24 hours across the country. And here's Twitter comparing Trudeau's proposal to China: • ISSUE: WEBSITE BLOCKING The proposal by the government of Canada to allow the Digital Safety Commissioner to block websites is drastic. People around the world have been blocked from accessing Twitter and other services in a similar manner as the one proposed by Canada by multiple authoritarian governments (China, North Korea, and Iran for example) under the false guise of ‘online safety,' impeding peoples' rights to access information online. CONCLUSION Four bills. Falling like dominos. C-11, C-18, C-36 and the Online Harms Act. Each one building on the other, to build a censorship regime whose only comparison is places like North Korea. Trudeau has the support of the NDP, so these simply will become the law. And it's not like any of the mainstream media are actively opposing them — the opposite; they're excited about Trudeau forcing Big Tech to pay them money for links. The media have been bought off, again. Canada is in trouble, and the watchdogs who are supposed to be on guard are all sleeping. I promise that we hear at Rebel News will do what we can. And I see that as three things. Keeping you up to date on the state of censorship in Canada. So, reporting the news — say, have you heard about all of this from the CBC state broadcaster? Yeah, I didn't think so. Making the arguments for why this is morally wrong, legally wrong, impractical and downright unCanadian. So, giving you the facts, and the arguments. What Rebel News does best: actually fighting the good fight. All week I have been speaking with constitutional lawyers about how to fight this censorship onslaught. In court. Because if we don't, who will? I have commissioned an expert litigation law firm to prepare to fight these bills in court. In fact, they are working on the lawsuit already; we're not even waiting for the bills to be officially proclaimed — we're working on it now. We will sue Trudeau in court — and hold him to the Charter of Rights. I know it's a long shot. We'll be outspent ten two one. They will have a swarm of lawyers there to fight against us. But we can win. I know, because we've beaten him twice, on censorship battles. In 2019, he banned us from attending the election debates — we took him to court and won. He tried again in 2021. That time he banned us, and when we sued him, he literally had seven government lawyers against us. But we won again. Twice we beat him. Against all odds. Maybe there's some hope left. This is the battle of 2023. What the trucker convoy was last year, the Internet battle is this year. Help us if you can — learn the facts, learn the arguments, and then help us take this Castro mini-me to court.

The Herle Burly was created by Air Quotes Media with support from our presenting sponsor TELUS, as well as CN Rail, and the Nuclear Innovation Institute.We're getting right to the pod today, because Cabinet Ministers are busy people. Especially so, when the cabinet minister in question, has responsibilities for not one but two portfolios!The Honourable Randy Boissonnault is our guest today.First elected as a Member of Parliament for Edmonton Centre in 2015, Mr. Boissonnault is the Minister of Tourism and the Associate Minister of Finance. He's also Canada's Special Advisor to the Prime Minister on LGBTQ2 issues. A graduate of the University of Alberta, he went on to study at the University of Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Minister Boissonnault is also a successful entrepreneur, community leader, and philanthropist with a strong record of leadership in business, public service, and the not-for-profit sector.So, that's where we're going to start:  We'll find out a little more about the Minister's personal story today. Then we'll dive right into last week's budget. And since he's one of only two Liberal MPs from Alberta, we'll talk Alberta politics for a while.Thank you for joining us on #TheHerleBurly podcast. Please take a moment to give us a rating and review on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts or your favourite podcast app.Watch episodes of The Herle Burly via Air Quotes Media on YouTube.

John is back with episode three and he kicks things off with some updates from the curling world (00:30). He then is joined by John Epping (5:10) who is taken through the lightning round, talks about what kept him going on his long road to making the Brier (11:30), his coming out story and what it means to represent the LGBTQ2+ community in pro sports (15:30), talks about playing too often and they wrap it up with “Own Career Trivia”.John welcomes a new segment to the podcast inviting Warren Hansen to give us a history lesson on corn brooms (40:30).This podcast is produced by John Cullen and Mike Rogerson, recorded and mixed by Mike Rogerson, and hosted by John Cullen. Social support by Griffin Porter.Contact the podcast -- insidecurling@gmail.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates. 

Welcome back for part two of my conversation with Michael Bach, author of Alphabet Soup: The Essential Guide to LGBTQ2+ Inclusion at Work. Listen in as we continue our discussion on what it means to create an LGBTQ2+ inclusive workplace, the value of a Code of Conduct in the workplace, and much more!

The Colorado Springs shooting and the passage of The Respect for Marriage Act present competing narratives about public acceptance of LGBTQ2 people. Today on Native America Calling, Shawn Spruce checks in with Alray Nelson (Diné), lead organizer for Diné Equality and executive director for Navajo Nation Pride; writer, musician, activist, and artist Miko Thomas aka Landa Lakes (Chickasaw); Sergio Ruark (Huaylas Quechua Nation), this year's Mr. Montana Two-Spirit; and Professor Chris Finley (Colville Confederated Tribes), assistant professor of American and Ethnic Studies at the University of Southern California.

A beautiful and famous actress takes some time off with her husband and an actor friend.  Soon afterwards, she is dead.  Did she drown like many people believe, or did she lose her life at the hands of another?   Welcome to Bonus Episode 34 - The Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood   We got merch!  Shop now: HorrifyingHist1.redbubble.com www.horrifyinghistory.podbean.com Support our show at https://www.patreon.com/horrifyinghistory   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/horrifyinghistory Instagram: https://instagram.com/horrifying_history Twitter: https://twitter.com/horrifyinghist1   Horrifying History would like to thank the following sponsors for this episode: Beyond the Rainbow Podcast: This podcast tells the tales of the crimes committed against or by those that are part of the LGBTQ2+ community.  Become a rainbow warrior and listen today wherever you listen to your favourite podcasts.  The Guys in the Flag Jackets Podcast: Every week The Guys in Flag Jackets discuss a wide variety of political issues from weird to the obscure.  You can find The Guys in the Flag Jackets podcast wherever you get your favourite shows.   Understanding Politics: News can be overwhelming.  Hosts Michael and Alexander educate listeners about American politics by sparking discussions about these politics, and the issues that you see every day on the news.  Find Understanding Politics wherever you get your podcasts.   Horrifying History is part of the Darkcast Network.  Check out their other amazing podcasts at www.darkcastnetwork.wixsite.com     

Today's Pages of HR is presented as part of our sponsored Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging Week. This episode is a special one as we're talking and learning about what it means to create an LGBTQ2+ inclusive workplace. I'm joined by Michael Bach, author of Alphabet Soup: The Essential Guide to LGBTQ2+ Inclusion at Work. Alphabet Soup serves as a critical guide to creating a truly inclusive workplace for all, regardless of sexuality, gender identity, or gender expression. Whether you consider yourself an ally, or don't know what it means to be one, you'll come away armed with everything you need to know to create a safe, productive, and thriving organization. In part one of this two-part series, listen in as we discuss sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression (yes, they're different things, and it matters), define what a Safe Space is, and how to turn your space into one, and more.

In this episode of the podcast, I interview Carolyn Hays, the author (pen name) of “A Girlhood: Letter to my Transgender Daughter”, which takes parents along her family's personal journey of raising a transgender daughter. In our conversation we discuss the science, and the hurdles, joys and challenges of parenting a transgender child. We also discuss how to be an ally to the LGBTQ2+ community. Carolyn mentioned this impactful documentary: Disclosure Resources and more about the book on Carolyn's website. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner discusses his new memoir, Like a Rolling Stone, which documents his incredible legacy and tells some wild stories about '60s counterculture and the heady early days of rock and roll. Singer-songwriter Brighid Fry talks about her personal and musical evolution, forming Housewife at 14, and the band's new EP, You'll Be Forgiven. Author francesca ekwuyasi talks about winning this year's Dayne Ogilvie Prize, which is awarded to an extraordinary debut book by a Canadian writer from the LGBTQ2 community. Children's entertainers Sharon and Bram reflect on their incredible four decade career and why their music resonates with kids.

Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner discusses his new memoir, Like a Rolling Stone, which documents his incredible legacy and tells some wild stories about '60s counterculture and the heady early days of rock and roll. Singer-songwriter Brighid Fry talks about her personal and musical evolution, forming her musical project Housewife at 14, and the band's new EP, You'll Be Forgiven. Author francesca ekwuyasi talks about winning this year's Dayne Ogilvie Prize, which is awarded to an extraordinary debut book by a Canadian writer from the LGBTQ2 community. Children's entertainers Sharon and Bram reflect on their incredible four decade career and why their music resonates with kids.

In the latest episode of the Empowerography Podcast, my guest is Elena Christopoulos. Elena Christopoulos is a Climate Scientist and Certified Sustainability Practitioner (CSPR) who implemented the first North American urban wind turbine in Toronto in 2000.  She has managed over 40 political and environmental campaigns worldwide, is a  member of the Queen's University Alumni Association Board, and is President of the Queen's University Southern California Branch. Throughout her career, as a woman in science and politics, Elena has actively worked to bring more women and BIPOC to the table and be a voice for the LGBTQ2+ community. As the founder of ECMC management-consulting firm, she has helped create 500,000+ green jobs, 60% of which have gone to women and BIPOC. It is her goal to increase the percentage of female environmental scientists from 28% to 50% over her lifetime and to continue to develop STEM and STEAM programs. Elena has also worked hard on women's issues as a speaker and member of Women of Wind Energy (WoWE), and as a Commissioner for the City of Santa Monica. Her primary role as Commissioner is to ensure that the city is a place where women and girls can fully  realize their potential and have a strong voice in all aspects of the community. The Commission on the Status of Women explores policy and issues relevant to women and girls, and supports leadership and career advancement opportunities.. In this episode we discuss politics, science, job creation, women in entrepreneurship and leadership, connection and consulting. Website - http://elenachristopoulos.com/ IG - http://www.instagram.com/beingelena "I think what excites me the most" - 00:04:14 "Being a commissioner on the status of women" - 00:13:32 "I don't think enough women have gotten to the point that they either have zero fucks to give" - 00:22:31 Empowerography would like to offer you a discount code to one of our exclusive partners, Quartz & Canary Jewelry & Wellness Co. Please use CODE EMPOWER15 to receive 15% off upon check out at www.quartzandcanary.com. Quartz & Canary is truly the place, where spirituality meets style.

In the latest episode of the Empowerography Podcast, my guest is Elena Christopoulos. Elena Christopoulos is a Climate Scientist and Certified Sustainability Practitioner (CSPR) who implemented the first North American urban wind turbine in Toronto in 2000.  She has managed over 40 political and environmental campaigns worldwide, is a  member of the Queen's University Alumni Association Board, and is President of the Queen's University Southern California Branch. Throughout her career, as a woman in science and politics, Elena has actively worked to bring more women and BIPOC to the table and be a voice for the LGBTQ2+ community. As the founder of ECMC management-consulting firm, she has helped create 500,000+ green jobs, 60% of which have gone to women and BIPOC. It is her goal to increase the percentage of female environmental scientists from 28% to 50% over her lifetime and to continue to develop STEM and STEAM programs. Elena has also worked hard on women's issues as a speaker and member of Women of Wind Energy (WoWE), and as a Commissioner for the City of Santa Monica. Her primary role as Commissioner is to ensure that the city is a place where women and girls can fully  realize their potential and have a strong voice in all aspects of the community. The Commission on the Status of Women explores policy and issues relevant to women and girls, and supports leadership and career advancement opportunities.. In this episode we discuss politics, science, job creation, women in entrepreneurship and leadership, connection and consulting. Website - http://elenachristopoulos.com/ IG - http://www.instagram.com/beingelena "I think what excites me the most" - 00:04:14 "Being a commissioner on the status of women" - 00:13:32 "I don't think enough women have gotten to the point that they either have zero fucks to give" - 00:22:31 Empowerography would like to offer you a discount code to one of our exclusive partners, Quartz & Canary Jewelry & Wellness Co. Please use CODE EMPOWER15 to receive 15% off upon check out at www.quartzandcanary.com. Quartz & Canary is truly the place, where spirituality meets style.

Love makes us feel good. Fear makes us uncomfortable. So to live in love we must overcome our fear. No matter if that is fear of failure, success, hell, death, unworthiness, standing out, immigrants, strangers, difference, LGBTQ2+ people, or being criticized, banished, ostracized, or even a fear of dying. We don't have to be comfortable being so uncomfortable when we courageously face our fears head-on. In this episode I share my experience of how I put an end to living in fear when I learned: Fear tells us we may even die if we face it head-on, but we won't die; We must challenge ourselves to overcome fear in order to live in love; We can live from our brave heart; and God does help those who help themselves.