Podcast appearances and mentions of Rick Hansen

Dr. Rick Hanson's transformative journey from a struggling adolescent to a leading expert in mental health is a powerful testament to how psychology and mindset can shape our lives. Battling unhappiness in his youth, Rick discovered the key to wellness wasn't just in changing circumstances, but in transforming his brain health. As a result, he now shares his expertise in neuroplasticity and self-healing to help others achieve a balanced life. In this episode, Dr. Hanson reveals how positive neuroplasticity and practical biohacking techniques can rewire your brain to foster happiness, productivity, and emotional resilience. In this episode, Hala and Rick will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (01:00) Rick Hansen's Teenage Turning Point (03:29) Early College Experience and Its Impact (05:08) Exploring the Roots of Unhappiness (07:38) Discovering Buddhism and Its Teachings (10:29) The Concept of Neuro Dharma (14:16) The Importance of Steadiness of Mind (24:21) Understanding Monkey Mind (27:22) Biological Reactions and Brain Influence (32:11) Shifting Perspective for Stress Relief (33:12) Understanding Neuroplasticity (33:50) Brain Changes with Meditation (35:14) The Power of Small Practices (36:27) Four Key Brain Changes from Meditation (39:36) The Concept of Add-On Suffering (43:23) Three Keys to Reducing Suffering (47:09) The Seven Ways of Being (56:10) The Five Minute Challenge Dr. Rick Hanson is a New York Times bestselling author, psychologist, and founder of the Wellspring Institute for Neuroscience and Contemplative Wisdom. His work, which blends modern neuroscience with ancient Buddhist wisdom, has been featured on major media outlets like the BBC, NPR, and CBS. With books translated into 30 languages and a wealth of experience as a speaker at institutions like NASA, Google, and Harvard, Dr. Hanson's teachings offer listeners actionable strategies to foster happiness and transform their minds for personal growth. Sponsored By: Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at youngandprofiting.co/shopify Airbnb - Find yourself a co-host at airbnb.com/host Indeed - Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/profiting    Microsoft Teams - Stop paying for tools. Get everything you need, for free at aka.ms/profiting LinkedIn Marketing Solutions - Get a $100 credit on your next campaign at linkedin.com/profiting Bilt - Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your Neighborhood Benefits™ by going to joinbilt.com/PROFITING. Mercury - Streamline your banking and finances in one place. Learn more at mercury.com/profiting    Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals       Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap  Youtube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting  LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/  Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/  Social + Podcast Services - yapmedia.com   Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new  Entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship podcast, Business, Business podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal development, Starting a business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side hustle, Startup, mental health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth mindset, Mental Health, Health, Psychology, Wellness, Biohacking, Motivation, Mindset, Manifestation, Productivity, Brain Health, Life Balance, Self Healing, Positivity, Happiness, Sleep, Diet

The Rick Hansen Foundation has opened the nominations for the Difference Maker of the Year Awards!Organized by the Rick Hansen Foundation School Program, these awards celebrate youth from ages five to eighteen who are making a positive change in their schools and communities for people with physical disabilities. Host of The Pulse, Grant Hardy, is speaking with Talina Papazian, last year's awardee, and Teri Thorson, the manager of Rick Hansen Foundation School Program on today's episode.Find out how to nominate a local difference maker, the positive impact these awards have on school-aged youth, and the impact that nominated projects have had on their community!  Check out the Pulse on YouTube!About AMIAMI is a media company that entertains, informs and empowers Canadians with disabilities through three broadcast services — AMI-tv and AMI-audio in English and AMI-télé in French — and streaming platform AMI+. Our vision is to establish AMI as a leader in the offering of accessible content, providing a voice for Canadians with disabilities through authentic storytelling, representation and positive portrayal. To learn more visit AMI.ca and AMItele.ca.Find more great AMI Original Content on AMI+Learn more at AMI.caConnect with Accessible Media Inc. online:X /Twitter @AccessibleMediaInstagram @AccessibleMediaInc / @AMI-audioFacebook at @AccessibleMediaIncTikTok @AccessibleMediaIncEmail feedback@ami.ca

Aaron Pete sits down with Rick Hansen to explore his transformative journey from a life-altering accident to becoming a global advocate for people with disabilities, the emotional challenges he overcame, the inspiration he drew from Terry Fox, the iconic Man in Motion World Tour, and the powerful lessons of resilience, interdependence, and breaking barriers to create a more inclusive world.Send us a textThe Balance of GrayHow does faith fit into today's world? Peace & purpose are found in The Balance of Gray. Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showwww.biggerthanmepodcast.com

When you read about our guest this time, Lisa Kohn, the first thing you read is “The best seats Lisa ever had at Madison Square Garden were at her mother's wedding, and the best cocaine she ever had was from her father's friend, the judge.” Lisa's mother's wedding was a group affair with 4,000 marriages taking place. It wasn't nearly as romantic as one might think as you will discover. You will also get to read about her childhood drug use caused by her father in The Village in New York City. More important, you get to travel with me on Lisa's journey as she eventually overcomes these and other challenges.   Lisa did get to attend college and obtain a degree in Psychology and later an MBA in business.   Lisa's journey has been a hard and long one, but you will see just how unstoppable Lisa became and is today. She started her leadership consulting and life coaching business, Chatworth Consulting Group, in 1995. The business has thrived and grown.   Lisa shares with us her thoughts on life and how easy it can be for all of us to fall into traps that can take our lives in what she would call bad directions and down not good rabbit holes. This episode contains a lot of relevant content we all can use. I hope you enjoy it and, of course, feel free to reach out to Lisa.       About the Guest:   Lisa Kohn is a transformational keynote speaker, leadership consultant, executive coach, and award-winning author of The Power of Thoughtful Leadership and to the moon and back: a childhood under the influence, a memoir that chronicles her childhood growing up in the Unification Church (the Moonies) with her mom and a life of “sex, drugs, and squalor” in New York City's East Village with her dad.   Lisa's unique background has given her a perspective on life, people, and leadership, as well as an expansive array of tools, mind-shifts, and best practices she's found and created, that help her clients find their own paths to powerful, authentic, Thoughtful leadership. With over 25 years of experience supporting senior leaders in areas such as leadership, managing change, interpersonal and team dynamics, strategy, well-being, and life-fulfillment, Lisa partners with her clients as they not only uncover core issues to implement real changes in themselves and their organizations, but also successfully address their own inner challenges and effectively connect with others to ensure the changes stick.   Lisa has been described as “leading with love,” and she's honored to teach C-suite leaders of not-for-profits and Fortune 50 organizations about the compelling impact of self-compassion, self-love, fun, delight, and Thoughtful Leadership – being more present, intentional, and authentic. She works with organizations across a broad range of industries, in companies such as New York City Department of Education, GroupM/WPP, Verizon, World Wrestling Entertainment, American Civil Liberties Union, and Comcast. Lisa brings insight to clients that transforms the way organizations develop and manage their people and the way leaders lead their people and live their lives.   Lisa earned her BA in psychology from Cornell University and her MBA from Columbia University's Executive Program. She has taught as an adjunct professor at Columbia University and New York University's Stern School of Business and has been featured in publications addressing topics on leadership, communication, effective teaming, authenticity, selfcare, and, of course, healing from trauma. She has been awarded the designation of Professional Certified Coach by the International Coach Federation. Lisa is an Accredited Facilitator for Everything DiSC®, The Five Behaviors of a Cohesive Team™, The Leadership Circle™, and Myers-Briggs Type Indicator®.   Lisa lives in Pennsylvania but will always tell you that she is “from New York.” Ways to connect with Lisa:   Instagram and X @lisakohnwrites LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisakohnccg/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/lisakohnwrites My websites are www.lisakohnwrites.com and www.chatsworthconsulting.com       About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Well, hi, once again, you are listening to another episode of unstoppable mindset, and today, we get to speak with Lisa Kohn, who is the founder of the Chatsworth Consulting Group. She leads with love. Many people say she deals with nonprofits, C suite, people and others, and dealing with business coaching, life coaching, and I'm not going to tell you anymore, because she's going to spend the next hour telling us all about it. So Lisa, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We are really glad you're here.   Lisa Kohn ** 01:55 I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me, Michael,   Michael Hingson ** 01:58 now I do have to tell everyone. I'm going to tell on you that we were talking before we started this. Lisa's had to postpone a couple times because she had a concussion, which in in a way, relates to skiing. And having never skied myself, I love to spread the rumor that the trees are out to get us all the time. So one of these days I'll probably ski but but in the meanwhile, my brother in law is as a great skier, and was a certified mountain ski guide for years, and I always tell him that the trees are out to get us, and he can not convince me otherwise, no matter what he says. And he says, No, it's really you the skier. And I said, That's what you say. So you know, that's my conspiracy theory of the day,   Lisa Kohn ** 02:37 but I will tend to believe it, because not this concussion, but the last concussion I did, ski into a tree, and I don't know how. I really don't know how. So I am convinced maybe to come out to get me. That makes sense. See,   Michael Hingson ** 02:51 there you go. I rest my case. Everyone. You're welcome to let us know what you think, but it is fun to tease about it. My brother in law used to take tours to France, and was, as I said, a certified mountain ski guide, and has done it for years in the winter in Ketchum, Idaho, where he lives, it is all about skiing first foremost and always, and everything else comes second. So that's fine. Well, Lisa, why don't we start by you telling us a little about the early Lisa, I love to start that way. Learn a little bit about you growing up and all that stuff and going to college or whatever you did and anything like that that you want to tell   Lisa Kohn ** 03:31 us. Well, I will do that. It's it's not the simplest story. So I'll give you the overview and the highlights, and then we can move on or go deeper, or whatever works for you. So I love lines, right? I have a line that describes my childhood. I say the best seats I ever had at Madison Square Garden were at my mother's wedding because my mom got married in 1982 with 4074 other people in a mass wedding. I was raised Unification Church, the Moonies. I was raised in a cult. So that's that's my life with my mom. And on the other hand, the best cocaine I ever had was for my father's friend, the judge. Because my dad, I lived with my dad and my dad. Life with my dad was, as I like to say, sex, drugs and squalor in New York City's East Village in the 1970s so I am, I am like this true child of the 60s and 70s, because both my parents were involved in the, you know, the hippie culture and then the cult culture of that era. So very short. You know, very long story, very short. After that synopsis, my parents got married way too young. Had my brother had me split up. We lived with my mom for a number of years, and when I was in third grade, we were about to we lived on the East Coast. Of America. We lived in Jersey, and we were about to move drive across country to California to move on to a commune. And my grandmother, my mom's mom, got sick with cancer, and so instead we moved, instead of cross country, moved across state and moved in with my grandparents and lived there. My grandmother died. My mom stayed with we stayed with my grandfather. My mom was taking care of the house and of him. And in 1974 my mom went to hear, actually, the person she with whom she said, hitchhik, cross country with every year, called her and said, You have to go hear Reverend Moon speak. And my mom went to hear Reverend Moon speak and came back a changed person, just enthralled with what she'd heard. And not much happened. And then a couple months later, members of the Unification Church convinced my mom to go up for a weekend workshop, and my mom went away for the weekend and came back and went back up for a week and came back and went back up and basically spent the summer being indoctrinated into the unification Church's ideology. And then, you know, somewhere that summer, my mom took us, my brother, I have an older brother, took my brother, and I have with her, and we the estates called barrytown, New York. We pull up to this estate. This this huge building. It used to be a Christian brother school, and we go down into the gymnasium, and all the women, the sisters, are sitting on the floor on the right side of the room, and all the brothers, the men, are sitting on the floor on the left side of the room. And with moments Moon Reverend Sam young moon walks in and begins speaking with his interpreter, and that was it. I had a Messiah, and we were Moonies, and again, synopsized down. Within about six months, my mom sat my brother and I down and said, kids, I really feel called to be more involved. What should I do? And we said, you should leave. And so she left, and we were with my grandfather, and I was in sixth grade and running the household. And then my grandfather, due to a variety of different things, was put in the hospital on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and we got shuffled around for a little while. And finally, my father came to get us, and we moved in with him in New York City, disease village, the life of sex, drugs and scholar, and live this dual life of like living the outside world with Satan and believing in a Messiah and a puritanical cult. And that continued for a number of years, until I can go into the details at some point. But through this whole soap opera experience, I started to eventually question. And we were literally taught if that, if we ever questioned, it was Satan inside of us, but I fully questioned and pulled away, and over the space of many years, kind of left it all behind. And yeah, went to college. I was, you know, I started questioning in my last year of high school, and then I went up to college. I was at Cornell University, and, you know, it's surrounded with gorges, and nearly jumped off the bridge into the gorge as I kind of self destructed having when I left the church. And, you know, went on to get worse and worse and worse in kind of my own psyche, until I really crashed and burned, and someone pointed me in the direction of getting help in the mid to late 80s, and it's been a journey ever since. So there, that's the that's the 10 minute version of, you know, what's in my memoir?   Michael Hingson ** 08:14 What a story. What's your memoir called   Lisa Kohn ** 08:18 to the moon and back the influence, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 08:21 yeah. So what about your brother?   Lisa Kohn ** 08:22 My brother? My brother, uh, he so I, my brother likes to say, I never actually left, I just slowly drifted away. And that was, you know, from like 1980 through 1985 my brother, who's a year and a half older than me, a year ahead of me, in school, he, when he was in college, he was in a place that was truly surrounded with with there were Moonies there who knew him. So he could not leave. But as soon as he got out of college, he went to Drew University. He literally sat my mom down and said, That's it. I'm out. So he he announced being out. I still haven't told anyone I'm out. And he is, you know. So he's also happy and thriving. And he lives in New York City, you know, very eager to get out of the city. I got out of the city years ago. Yeah. So we're still, well, there's a lot Go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. No. He's the only person who experienced the weird dichotomy going back and forth between these two crazy worlds that I did. So, yeah, we're very close.   Michael Hingson ** 09:18 There's, there's a lot to be said for the city, and there's a lot that the city can contribute. But on the other hand, there are so many other parts of the country. I met a woman when my wife and I moved back to New Jersey, I stayed at an apartment for a while in Linden. I'm sorry, no, where was it? Not Lyndon, well, anyway, it was north of Springfield in New Jersey, and this woman, well, we met her because we were staying at a Holiday Inn in Springfield at the time, and she was one of the people who worked there. And she also. Then came to help me in just making sure my apartment was good and clean until Karen moved back and we had our house, and one of the things that we learned from her was that her whole life, she lived in the Springfield area and had never been to New York City, less than 40 miles away.   Lisa Kohn ** 10:20 Yeah, people   Michael Hingson ** 10:21 are afraid of it. Yeah, there's elizabeth new jersey, where I lived until Karen came back, and then we we had started and built a house in Westfield. But I'm always amazed, and I know of people who live in the city who have never been out.   10:35 That is true as well. Yes, and there's   Michael Hingson ** 10:38 so much more to the world, and I just love the fact that I've had the opportunity as a speaker to travel all over this country and enjoy going and meeting new people and seeing new places and seeing so many different aspects of our whole US culture. It's great,   Lisa Kohn ** 10:55 absolutely true. There's so much to be said for a lot of different places and and I will always be a New Yorker at heart.   Michael Hingson ** 11:01 Well, there you go. There you go. And there's nothing wrong with being a New Yorker at heart. No, I was born in Chicago, but I grew up being a Californian and and I am, and I'm a Dodger fan, but you know, there you go. Of course, there are those who say that the Dodgers, one day will move back to New York,   Lisa Kohn ** 11:19 back to Brooklyn. We'll   Michael Hingson ** 11:20 see what happens. Yeah, hasn't happened yet. So what did you major in college?   Lisa Kohn ** 11:26 I was a psychology major.   Michael Hingson ** 11:27 Ah, okay, so now, where do you live?   Lisa Kohn ** 11:31 I live in Wayne, Pennsylvania, outside of,   Michael Hingson ** 11:34 okay, I know where that is. So that's, that's pretty cool. So you, you certainly had a life that has had a lot of experiences. And I would think that you probably would agree that, yes, there were a lot of things that weren't necessarily great, but they taught you a lot, and it certainly helps you to be able to step back and think about all that and put it in perspective   Lisa Kohn ** 12:01 that is true, you know, I am. It's not quite the point you're making. But alongside that, similar to that, you know, when, again, when the memoir came out, people started reaching out to me. And some, you know, late teenager, young adult, I don't really remember, the age, Stranger reached out to me and was kind of giving me the lowdown of a situation, which was, you know, hard, lot of trauma, a lot of lot of tough stuff. And I said, What I often say is, like, I wouldn't wish difficulties and struggles or trauma on anyone, sure, but I do know that when you get through, you know, if you can get through, when you can get through, you have an appreciation of life that people who haven't experienced hardship don't really have so, like, I can look outside, I mean, I love the little gold finches. I can look outside and see a little yellow bird, or actually have about 40 in the house at this point, because people keep sending them to me, right? And I am just filled with joy because I've learned, like, I know how, how low can go. And so even just just okay is really great at times. So so it's a similar thing to what you said, right? You have a perspective. You have a you have, you know, coping mechanisms, some that are wonderful and some that are you really could let go of and be done with. But yeah, I do. I feel like I have more of an appreciation for life and joy and love than some people have who haven't had to go through things.   Michael Hingson ** 13:25 I spoke to a life coach on the podcast a couple of days ago, actually. And one of the things that she said, and it's really kind of what you're saying, is that the fact is, she's much better at what she does because she has had a number of life experiences and things happen in her life, and if she hadn't done some of the things that she did and experienced some of the things that she experienced, she would never have been able to be nearly as effective as she is,   Lisa Kohn ** 14:02 yeah, you know, before my memoir was published in 2018 I generally never brought up my background in my work, because it, once you say cult, it literally, it sucks the energy out of the room like nothing else matters when you say I was raised in A cult and but once it came out, and if you Google me, you know, before I walk in a room, if you look me up, you know my story, because I'm very public with it at this point, I now get to use it in all of my work, and I get to use what I've experienced, and the multitude of tools and practices and mindsets and positive psychology and neuroplasticity and mindfulness and all of the things I have learned over the years to be okay and to thrive. I get to use it in in like in the most corporate work I do, I'm still bringing up, you know, teaching people. To take care of themselves and love themselves and love themselves first. Most, you know, always, like, is tattooed on my arm, like, really, to change their perspective of themselves, to start and off in the world. So yeah, if I, if I hadn't gone through what I gone through, I wouldn't be who I am, and I wouldn't get to share some of the things I get to share. So yeah, that's and that's why I do it. If sharing my story helps other people, then it's all worthwhile. And yeah, that's why I do it.   Michael Hingson ** 15:26 And I I hear that very well. And going back to what we were discussing the other day, Mary Beth and I, she starts her story by saying she took her first drink at the age of 11, and she decided that she liked the taste of alcohol and was an alcohol for alcoholic, or was a drunk for many years. And actually she's near 50, and she only quit four and a half years ago, she became, she became a life coach six years ago, although she was always interested in helping people, but she began to make that her business, and did so six years ago, and she is very clear that having adopted that philosophy and process and undertaking that career, even though it was much later in life, the bottom line is that it did lead to her finally recognizing that she shouldn't drink, and that's not a good thing, and she has not had a drink in four and a half years. Good for her. That's so it is all about what you experience and what you choose to do with it. So I hear you, you know, I   Lisa Kohn ** 16:33 hear her. Yeah, last so this is 2024, so two years ago, what you experienced, I was diagnosed by cancer, and you never think you're going to be one of the people who have cancer, until they say cancer to you, and you're thinking, aren't you talking to the person behind me? And I heard, you know, when I was going through the process and going through chemo, which I do not recommend to anyone, unless you absolutely have to do it, I heard a saying from a dialectical behavioral therapy, therapist who did pass from cancer, but the saying was, I will take more from cancer than cancer takes for me. And that, that that just carried me through, right? And I you can look at that with everything, like all the all the different things we experience, I will. I remember when I was first diagnosed, a practitioner said to me, why do you think you got sick? As in, like, what hadn't I healed that caused the cancer? And I, I stopped going to that practitioner, and I very clearly, I've looked at this and I thought, it's never going to help me to think, what did I do wrong, that I had cancer, that I got cancer, I got sick, but it will help me to say I did get sick. And what do I want to learn from that, and how do I want to change and shift and grow from that? So exactly right,   Michael Hingson ** 17:45 yeah, and like I always say to people, I'm my own best teacher. I've dropped saying I'm my own worst critic, because such a negative thing, and you don't necessarily have something to criticize, but I'm my own best teacher. I can look at anything I do and go, can I improve on it? How can I improve on it? And adopting the mindset that takes that approach really makes us stronger?   Lisa Kohn ** 18:11 Yes, it's called a growth mindset, right? And when we have a growth mindset, when we know that we can grow, when we know that we can learn, when we and yeah, when we stop being so hard on ourselves, like so many of us are,   Michael Hingson ** 18:23 yeah, and we learned that, and that's unfortunate that that's what we're taught, and it's so hard to break that cycle, but if you can, you're all the better for it,   Lisa Kohn ** 18:33 absolutely and to, you know, I'm, I mean, I teach this stuff. I've been teaching this stuff for a long time. I've been using it for decades, and just today, I was watching my mind go down a rabbit hole of some negative thinking and thinking and thinking that wasn't going to help me and also. And I pause. I'm like, I was driving. I'm like, I put my hand on my leg. I'm like, Lisa, you're right here. You're right now. You're in the car. Look the sky. Pay attention to the road. You don't have to think that right now. You can just be in this present moment and feel better and poof, like magic, the crazy thinking stops, and you're like, Oh yeah, it's actually okay. I don't have to worry about that right now. But, um, yeah, our brains, our brains, we have that, like we have a negativity bias. Our brains are trained, have evolved to, like, look for danger. Focus on danger. Really think about the bad. Play it over and over. See it bigger than it is. Never look at the good. We're as Rick Hansen likes to say, Velcro for the bad and Teflon for the good. But we have a choice to shift that. So I feel like I'm preaching. Sorry, but I get excited about   Michael Hingson ** 19:34 it is it is perfectly okay to preach, and it is all about choice, as I tell people all the time, we had no control over the World Trade Center happening. No one's ever convinced me that we could have really foreseen it and not have it happen. But what we all, each and every person in the world, has a choice about, is how we deal with what happened at the World Trade Center, absolutely and how. We move forward or choose not to. And I've seen all sides of that. I've seen people who talk about the conspiracy of the World Trade Center. It really didn't happen. The government did it in so many different things. And I met one guy who had been a firefighter, and he decided to change careers and become a police officer because he wanted to go kill terrorists who were trying to deal with our country would not be the reason I would choose to go to often be a police officer. He did it because his brother was killed in the World Trade Center. But still, there were so many more positive reasons to do it, but that was his goal at the time, and I don't know, having never seen him since, whether that has changed, but it is still just always a matter of we can choose, and do have the right to choose. God gives us that right. That's why we have free will to choose how we want to deal with things or not.   Lisa Kohn ** 20:55 It is what it is, and what will I do with it, and how will I be with it? And yeah, yeah, and I can accept it, and then what do I want to do about it? Yeah? Yeah. All true. All true.   Michael Hingson ** 21:06 So what did you do after college? So you got a degree in psychology, so I got a degree in psychology, started to psychoanalyze gold finches, but, okay,   Lisa Kohn ** 21:15 you started to psycholize goldfinches. I just love my gold finches. Yeah, it's funny because when I when I was when I was writing the book, and there was a in my town, there's a author who lives here, kind of took me under her wing, and at one point she turned to me, she said, Do you realize, like, everything you experienced as a child and then you majored in psychology, and like, yeah, never dawned on me that I needed to cycle analyze myself, but I did. I got out of Cornell, and on the personal side. I very soon got engaged to someone who my dad, at that point, owned a restaurant, a French restaurant, and I got engaged as someone who worked for him and drank with him, and drank a heck of a lot, and was very not nice when he drank. And you know someone your cousin lovingly pointed me in the direction of the direction of the 12 step programs and to Alan on the 12 step program. For those of us with our arms, class Brown, the alcoholic and I crawled into my first meeting practically on my hands and knees, thinking like, tell me if he's an alcoholic, there's no way I would ever be with an alcoholic. I'm too smart for that, only to realize that there were tons of reasons why I would be and so that's that started my healing growth trajectory and journey. And on the professional side, I did a six month stint in direct mail, back when there was direct mail, a direct mail company, and then a six month stint in address, you know, do in advertising, the advertising agency, and then after that, got a job doing entertainment advertising for a small division of gray advertising, which I dearly, dearly loved. It was fun, it was exciting, it was a lot of good things, but I ended up getting I was running the Good Morning America account, and I ended up there wasn't enough work to fill me, but my boss wouldn't take me off the account because the client adored me, so they didn't want to move me. So I got really, really bored, and I decided to go to business school. And I somehow convinced my boss to convince his boss, the head of the whole agency, to send me to Columbia's Executive MBA Program, which you had to be sponsored by your A by your company, and they had to pay for part of it. And that just wasn't, didn't happen in the advertising world. I remember one of my professors once said, You're they eat, they're young in your industry, don't they like you. Just you did not, and they did not invest in you, but they did. They invested in me, and I went, I got my MBA in Columbia's Executive MBA Program, and there, found the disciplines where I now work in leadership and organizational behavior and organizational development, and began to have confidence in my own voice, business wise, and what I knew, and this is maybe why they don't invest you. I got out of the program, and within not too many months, quit, and I went to work, actually, for a large not for profit fundraising organization, which, you know, because I was like, I'm good, I'm smart, I'm going to go do good for the world. And I ended up in a job where, once again, I just it didn't engage me enough. And I literally had a boss who liked to fight with me, because he thought I was good at fighting, and I was just really not happy. And so then in 1995 I, you know, talked to a couple of so long ago, in 1995 I was talking to a couple of my professors saying, you know, I want to do leadership, and can I be a consultant? And they said, Yeah, go ahead, you can do it. And gave me a few gigs to start. And I, I was three months pregnant with my first child, and I hung out a shingle with Chatsworth Consulting Group and started doing leadership, not actually knowing what that was, and do it, a lot of training and different, different jobs. So I actually, I was, like, hugely pregnant, and I was, I almost. Took a job teaching computer skills for American Express at a very low rate, because I was just I was like, I say, I'm a consultant, but I'm not actually doing anything. And I luckily didn't take that job, that gig. And soon thereafter, I started getting different projects from former professors, and I've been doing and growing the business ever since, and of the 1998 I think I was in front of a client doing, you know, teaching leadership skills or doing some sort of program, and the head of the head of the agency, came over to me and said, I want to be you. Do you coach? And I said, Yeah, I coach. And I went and got coach. I got certified as a coach in the late 90s, before anyone was coaching. And yeah, I've been doing it ever since. And I say, you know, when I am not working, I never want to work, and when I am working, I never want to stop. So I'm that was actually true. That's true since I got sick. So I'm either certifiable or I figured something out. I happen to love what I do. I happen to get to make a difference in people's lives. And yeah, that's, that's my those are my stories   Michael Hingson ** 26:02 where the name Chatsworth consulting came from. Yeah, so   Lisa Kohn ** 26:06 when I founded the company, that is a good question. The funny thing is, when I founded the company, every good name I thought of was already taken, which is actually good, because the what I do and how I do it has so evolved over the years, over the decades, but I lived on Chatsworth Avenue. That's where I lived at the time. And what makes it extra special is, at that point, my you know, someone I met, I literally met my business partner on our first day going to Columbia's executive program. We met on the subway because I introduced myself to her, and she lived in the same building as I did on Chatsworth Avenue. She wasn't my partner at the time, and then number of years later, she said, Can I join you? And so she joined me in 2002 but so now it has even more meaning, because we were both Chatsworth, but it just it was the street on which I lived, because I couldn't come up with any other names, and I didn't want to say Lisa Conan associates. So that's it.   Michael Hingson ** 26:55 Hey, man, that works.   Lisa Kohn ** 26:56 Hey, what else   Michael Hingson ** 26:57 you said? You said you're the guy you were engaged to, drink. Is he still your, your your husband? No,   Lisa Kohn ** 27:03 I managed. Wondered about that. Yeah, no. You know, I was a I can tell you I was sitting in an Al Anon meeting. You know, I postponed the wedding, but I was still sticking it out. And I was sobbing my way through some lunchtime meeting in St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. And someone came over to me at the end of the meeting, and he said, you know, there are no victims, there are only volunteers. And I was like, Oh, I don't actually have to do this. And so, you know, when you're raised like I was, if I start talking about religious trauma and extremist thinking I was raised, I literally we were raised to live for the sake of others, to sacrifice everything for God and our True Parents, Reverend and Mrs. Moon, and saving the world. And that if we didn't, if we didn't, you know, live to the expectations we were supposed to, we would break God's heart. So I was raised to be a heavenly soldier. You know, when again, my mom left, and, you know, I couldn't cry, I couldn't miss her, couldn't be sad, couldn't be mad. It was all for God. So I just learned that I would do no matter what. And I till this day, I say, if you put something in front of me, I will do it. I will do it extremely well, even if it takes me down in the process, which isn't as true, because I've learned a lot since I got sick. But that used to be me, and so I was engaged to this man, and it was miserable, but I was gonna like, I have Al Anon. I can marry him. I can do it. And when this person came up to me and said, there are no victims, only volunteers, it's kind of was like crack that said you can do it. I just said this to a client the other day, you can do it, but just because you can do it, it doesn't mean you have to do it, or you should do it, and at luckily, at 24 I was able to say, I deserve a life that's easier and has more happiness than choosing to be with someone who was he was just really, he was really mean when he drank. So, so no, I didn't marry him. I didn't marry him. Think, you know I, you know people look at my life and it's like I, I've skirted disaster. I am, I am lucky. I have a steel rod for a spine. I don't know. I, you know, got out of the church. I almost jumped off a bridge, but I didn't I, you know, I became anorexic. And I can tell you, I am not heavy now, and I was almost 30 pounds less, you know, I was 82 pounds. I'm not tall, but I was really quits growing at 82 pounds. But then I started eating again. When I started doing cocaine with my dad, I did a heck of a lot of cocaine, and all of a sudden, every day, I was doing it. And then I just stopped doing that. And then I got into really more and more destructive and mildly or abusive relationships, and I stopped doing that. So I've, I've, I've managed to, like, avoid disaster numerous times. I'm incredibly lucky. So, yeah, well,   Michael Hingson ** 29:47 and your mind has, uh, has helped you progress from all this. So did you, did you ever find someone and get married, or have a husband, or any of that kind of stuff   Lisa Kohn ** 29:56 I did. I found someone, I my one of my best friends from high. School, set me up with one of his best friends from college as a joke, and we've been married 30 years. Where are you kids? Oh, yeah, we have two kids. So yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 30:12 congratulations. Well, thank   Lisa Kohn ** 30:13 you very much.   Michael Hingson ** 30:14 I met my wife a friend introduced us, and he was actually my friend was dating this person, sort of even though he was married, and she said, you said you were gonna leave her, and he didn't, but he was, he was the kind of guy that always had a girl in every port. Well anyway, he introduced her, this, this lady to me. And 11 months or 10 months later, we were married, and it took for 40 years until she passed away in November of 2022 and yeah, as I tell people, she's monitoring me somewhere, I am absolutely certain, and if I misbehave, I'm going to hear about it, so I have to continue to be a good kid.   Lisa Kohn ** 30:55 There you go. Well, I   Michael Hingson ** 30:56 gotta do Yeah, you know, but I've got 40 years of memories, and can't beat that, yeah, yeah,   Lisa Kohn ** 31:02 that's good. I'm glad you did. Yeah. So   Michael Hingson ** 31:05 you you formed Chatsworth, which is really pretty cool. I'm curious, though. So you didn't really have when you were growing up, at least early on, as much say about it, why do people join cults? Yes,   Lisa Kohn ** 31:20 yes. Why do people join cults? They're in the wrong place at the wrong time. So I used to say everyone is susceptible to extremist thinking. I was not everybody believes that, but I do believe it to be true. I was once corrected and someone said, unless you're a a sociopath, a psychopath, or already in a cult, you're susceptible. Or as there's two cult anti cult activists who were in Nixie and the sex cult a couple years ago, and what they say is, if you think you're not susceptible, you're even more susceptible. Why? Why? Because, as human beings, we crave purpose, certainty and community and having a messiah, believing anything that extremely is absolute certainty, it is, let me tell you, it is the most powerful drug to know that you have the truth, like the Absolute Truth, you have purpose. You know why you're here. You know what you need to do. There's not Sunday, Sunday night, Monday morning, blues, because you have a purpose for your life, and as long as you don't leave or disobey, you have absolute community. So it's you know. As humans, we want to know. We want to understand, right? We make up theories and reasons in our brains, even people who say they don't, they do right? Our brains crave it. And so as you know, I heard someone say a long time ago, I repeat, all it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time, being the wrong person and being in the wrong state of mind, where you're just going to be a little bit open to something, and you're susceptible. And so the ones that are really successful, they know how to work with the brain to keep you in so again, as I said, we were literally taught that if you ever question anything, it's Satan. So as soon as you start to think for yourself, you you know, you do a 21 minute prayer, you fast for three days, you take a cold shower, you're being invaded by Satan, so you're afraid to think. And when you know when they're when they were first bringing people in to my cult, right? They would, one of the things they did so you would go to, they would get you away to, you know, a workshop. They would keep you not give you enough to eat, not give you enough sleep, keep you surrounded by people so you don't have time to think. And they would give you all the teachings. And then at night, they would say, just write one thing you agree with. Write it down in this journal, just one thing. And so you just want them to shut up. So you write one thing. And then you look back three days later, and your brain goes, Oh, I wrote that down. I must have believed it. So you like your brain. They work with the ways your brain wants to believe something, to get you to believe something. And as well, I don't know if you want me to curse, so I won't curse, but I'm going to quote mark Vicente on the vow, which is also about the the next scene cult. He says, No one joins a cult. They really they join a really good idea, and then they realize they were messed with because they join one human kind, under God, they join, you know, self exactly, actualization. They join some positive idea, and only exactly what they think is positive, or what's sold as a positive idea. And by the time you look back your brain, your brain wants to you. We want to think that we know what we're doing. So our brain starts to convince ourselves that we knew what we were doing, like it's just our brains crave, and you work with it, you can, you can get people to believe anything. You can get people to believe anything. It's the   Michael Hingson ** 34:58 same. I hear you. It's just. Same thing as just there's so many conspiracy theorists today, yes, and it's the same exact sort of thing. They get you to believe it. They make it sound plausible. There's a woman who is a physicist who has written a book about why the World Trade Center wasn't something that was caused by terrorists or anything like that. It was really the US government, because the the amount of of ground shaking when the buildings collapsed wasn't appropriate, and all sorts of things she brings into it. And she she says it in a very convincing way, unless you look deeper, unless you know what to look for, and but, but she talks about it, and the bottom line is that it wasn't a conspiracy. And my immediate response whenever anyone says that it is and talks about what she talks about, is, I just say the difference is, I was there. I know, yeah, yeah. And you can say what you like, but I know, yeah, and, and I think that it's, it's the usual thing some people say, you know, figures can lie, and liars can figure, and it's very unfortunate that that some people just have to fulfill their lives by by doing some of these things, rather than using that knowledge and using their skills in a much more positive way. So yeah, cults, conspiracies, it's all sort of the same thing, isn't   Lisa Kohn ** 36:26 it? It's all extremist belief is extremist belief is extremist belief. And once you believe, once you believe this person's conspiracy theory, then it you can believe the next things they say, like you, you, you keep going like Moon would preach things and do the opposite, and then say was providential, that God told me how to do the opposite, and then you believe. Because, again, we want to believe what we already believe. I was just ot occupational therapy for my concussion this morning, and I was just saying to the occupational therapists, right? We have a we have so many biases in our brain. I love the brain, and we have a bias that tells us we're not biased. So I have a bias that says I'm not biased. I know how objective I am. I'm careful and I'm reflective, but the rest of you are biased, but I'm not biased. So one of our biases is that we're not biased, right? And so once you believe it's you know, people saying, How could people do X, Y and Z, and how can they believe that? And I'm like, once you've chosen to believe, or you've been forced to believe, or you've been tricked to believe, you keep believing, and to break that belief is dangerous. I mean, it's just hard to leave extreme believing is extremely hard. It really is, and   Michael Hingson ** 37:37 it's dangerous because somebody told you it wasn't you believe it,   Lisa Kohn ** 37:40 yes, exactly, exactly yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 37:44 which is so unfortunate, but just so unfortunate, yeah, but it is, it is what we face. It's   Lisa Kohn ** 37:50 human nature. So how do we what do we do about it? Yeah, exactly, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 37:53 which is always that Yes. So with your life and all that is has happened, What messages do you want to share with people? What do you want people ultimately to know and to take away from today?   Lisa Kohn ** 38:07 Well, I will always start with extremist. Situations exist, and we're all susceptible. They're there. They're intoxicating. They're, you know, a slippery slope. And so beware. And there's places to learn. And if you are, I always say, if you are in what you think might be a cult of any sort, there is help. When I left, I never knew there was help. I never knew there was a community. There is a community. There are a lot of online places and therapists to go to. So   Michael Hingson ** 38:32 that's grown a lot over the years, hasn't it? Oh, it's   Lisa Kohn ** 38:35 grown so much. I did not know. Yeah, I did not know was there at all. When I left, I left cold turkey, when my book came out in 2018 I found the cult survivor community, and my mind blew open. It's, it's definitely grown. Awareness of it, concept of religious trauma, has grown, like a lot. It's, there's, there's so much more awareness of it now in so many places to get help. The other thing I would say, I always say, if you think you're damaged or there's no hope, you are not damaged, and there is hope. There is always hope. I, you know, when I in my memoir, my my older child read my memoir, and she got to the part where I wrote about meeting their father, and it said something like, I shared my stories and my demons, and I was afraid he would not, you know, he would be able to stay because of how damaged I was, and my kids said, Wait, what's this? And I just look at I think, well, that's, I literally believe that for a very long time, but there was something wrong with me, and there is hope, and you are not damaged. There are, I call them the lies in my head. There are lies. There are lies that were put in my head intentionally to control me, and there are ways many of us have been taught, like you said, to think poorly of ourselves. So there's hope, and there's a way out of that. And I truly believe that, you know, we all need a lot more self love and self care. I do have tattooed on my arm first most, always to remind myself to love myself first most and always, um. Them, because I just think as a, you know, they do call me I lead with love. They call me love embodied when I took my positive psychology course. But really, we, all, many of us, need a huge dose of self compassion, self love, self care, kindness and gentleness, first to ourselves and then to the rest of the world. So those are, those are probably the you know, and whether it's in like, individually, or in an organization or in an offer, profit, like all of that, it is true, we're human, and we make mistakes, but there's an opportunity to really connect on a deeper, truer level, and there's an opportunity to to, it's called Post Traumatic Growth, right to heal from the trauma and heal from the things that have happened to us. And I know there are people with a lot harder stories than mine, and they're people who have gone through things like I have, and there's always, there's always a way to get help and reach out. So yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 40:53 tell me about, if you would, your journey in Chatsworth consulting. You teach leadership, you teach people to lead, and you you go to leaders and or they come to you. And how do you how do you help them? Tell us a little bit more about all of that, if you would.   Lisa Kohn ** 41:09 So we do a couple of different things. We do executive coaching, one on one coaching, you know, again, one client came up to me and said, do you coach? And I said, Yeah. And I got trained to be a coach back in the late 90s. I was in Al Anon at the time, and I realized it's kind of like being a sponsor only professionally. So it's our coaching is really it's based on a lot of self awareness, self knowledge. We do a incredible there's an incredible online 360 we use with people called the leadership circle profile, which helps us not only look at what like what I'm doing that's working and not but a lot of my thought patterns and beliefs and where they come from. So they call them, you know, they call them the Protect, control and wow, comply behaviors. That's the concussion kicking in. And I call them fight, fight and freeze. But like looking at the ways I coped in the world that get in my way. So we work with leaders, one on one. I'm trying to help them see what they're doing that's effective, what they're thinking that's effective, how they're connecting with other people. That's effective, and what's not we do. We work with a lot of in tech teams, leadership teams, executive teams, helping them have the hard conversations, the strategic conversations, the emotional conversations. You know, we are all human, and we all have triggers, and we all get upset, and we all have agendas, and we all have so much that gets in the way of actually just connecting, one on one with each other. So I get to sit with a group of people and help them find ways to connect more effectively and to more really, more vulnerably, more authentically, you know. And I also, I teach all the general management and leadership skills, you know, connecting with others and giving feedback and authentic leadership and all of that stuff. But truly, what ignites me in the work we do now is really kind of the feel. It's kind of like systems thinking, right? What are the systems within our organization that are operating? Then, how do you look at it, and how do you shift them to be more positive? And what are the systems that's that are operating within me, the belief systems, the you know, the ways I was trained to act, whom to act, and how do I keep the good and shift the ones that are getting in my way. So I am very lucky to do the work I do. I feel very lucky to do it   Michael Hingson ** 43:25 and that, you know, that's great, and it's great to have that kind of attitude and to bring that kind of philosophy to it. What are some of the patterns that you see that a lot of leaders and so on bring to you and want fixed, or that you discover that they need to deal with. I mean, they're, they're probably a few at least, that you see a lot.   Lisa Kohn ** 43:48 So yeah, I would say, well, one thing that I see so often, right, human nature? So you do a 360 or you gather feedback for someone, and all they focuses on is the constructive feedback. All they focus on is what's wrong, looking for the problem. Again, that's the negativity bias in our head, and a lot of other things. But one thing that comes off so clear is, in general, almost all the time, right people, if they're good at something, that thing that they star a star at, that thing that is like second nature to them, the thing that people so admire about them, they think it's not a big deal anybody could do that, and the thing that they are that isn't their greatest skill, that's the thing they think that's important. And it's it just, I see it over Yeah? People, my clients, be like, Well, yeah, anybody can do that? I'm like, no, nobody does that. Like you do that. Like you do that, you do that in a different way. So it's, you know, I just see that over and over and over. I see so many people like and you talk about leadership, right? So we, we so often in the business world, we promote people for being really good at what they do. And being good at what you do as an individual contributor is very. Very different than actually being able to manage other people or lead other people. And so to a lot of leaders just have a hard time getting out of the details, getting out of the weeds, actually delegating, actually letting go. We we coach our leaders to be dispensable. Our clients not said that to one client. She said, indispensable. And I said, No, dispensable. And she she literally started to cry. She said, Lisa, I spent my whole career trying to be incredibly indispensable. And she was a senior, senior leader at a major Fortune 50 company. She was powerful, she was amazing, but it gets in your way, right? We coach our clients to you know you have to be so dispensable that the people who work with you can do your job so you can go do the bigger, better stuff, more like the next stuff you need to do. Yeah, so it's, it's really, and then, you know, so many of us, right, have, unfortunately, so many people have some sort of trauma in their background. And even people who don't have major trauma in their background have had hardships or whatever, and so it's really people get so caught in their own thinking that they can't even realize that it's their own thinking in their way. So I, you know, I learned to say for my own learning and growth, right? When my brain does its wonky, silly things, it says, I've learned to say, that's the cult talking like, that's the cult. That's the cult. That's what I was trained to believe. That's not true. That's the cult. And I heard a class I'm like, take the word out cult and put in alcoholic father, you know, narcissistic first boss, you know, you know, I had a client who no harm, no blame to her parents. She had immigrant parents. They both ran, they both worked three jobs in order to support the family. And so she was taking care of her siblings when she was six. Six, she was caring for other kids, right? So she was able to say, that's that's that. And my brain, like the helping people being able to see, you know, we're so close to our brains that we don't see the kind of loopy things that we do and why we do it, but helping clients see those loopy things, right? And two, again, honestly, I spent a lot of time with seniors, senior executives, talking about self care, self compassion, being kinder to yourself, that kind of stuff.   Michael Hingson ** 47:15 So that woman, who was six taking care of siblings, did she ever get to the point where she could say things like, I really learned a lot, or I value that experience because it helped me in this way or that way,   Lisa Kohn ** 47:32 absolutely, absolutely. And she but, and she also got to the point where she can say, I don't have to keep doing that. I don't have to keep sacrificing myself for everybody else, right? I can, you know, I can self selfishly in quotes, in air quotes, right? I can selfishly go home earlier, at the end of the day, and actually take care of my body, because I'm about to have a baby, you know, yeah, it was so so yes and right? It's not about Yeah, it is yes. And not about like, this is awful and it's all bad. It's it is what it is. It made me who I am, and how do I want to choose to be to go forward with it?   Michael Hingson ** 48:07 I was very fortunate when I started in sales. I took a Dale Carnegie sales course. The company I was working for sent me to it, because either I went from the job I was doing for them into sales, or I had to leave the company, and I, at the time, didn't want to go look for another job, especially as a blind person, with an unemployment rate among employable blind people in the 70% range, that's a real challenge. So I went into sales and took this course. And I don't even know where it came from or when I first started doing it, but one of the things that I learned as I became a manager and started hiring people and working with people, was to say, you have skills. I have skills, and my job is not to boss you around. If I'm hiring you, I'm hiring you because you convinced me that you can do the job that I'm hiring you to do, but at the same time, what I need to do is to work with you to figure out how I can enhance what you do, because my job as your boss is to enhance what you do and to make you success, or help make you more successful. But we have to do that together now, the people who really got that were successful and, and we found that there are a lot of ways that we could blend our skills together. The people who didn't get it and didn't want to do it ended up not working for the company very long. Yeah, but it was because they weren't successful, they weren't able to sell and, and I know that I have some skills that a lot of other people don't have, but it's my life upbringing, and it's my environment that taught me those things. So that's fine. It isn't to say that other people couldn't get them, and a few people would ask me from time to time, how do you do that? And we talk. It, and they got better at it too, which is fine,   Lisa Kohn ** 50:02 yeah, yeah. I mean, that is, that's brilliant, right? But not every manager, not every leader gets that or knows that. So that's your role, is to enhance them, and your role is also to kind of block and tackle, right? What's getting in their way that you can what are the obstacles you can remove, what are the bridges you can build for them to go forward? But yeah, so often again, we get promoted. We get promoted for doing something well, and then we think everybody should do it our way. And it's a huge learning to realize you can do it your way, and as long as it's successful, that's great, as opposed to trying to force other people to do it my way. But I quote, I love tower Brock. Tower Brock's a mindfulness a teacher, and the quote I saw recently was, the world is divided between people who think they're right. Exactly yeah, right. We are going around thinking we're pretty right and what we're doing and yeah. So yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 50:56 The other part about that, and the approach that I took, was that I was always so amazed, impressed and pleased when I was able to work with people who, as I said, Got it how much I learned, and I learned some of their skills, which helped me do my job even better, and We had a lot of fun doing it. I   Lisa Kohn ** 51:23 my clients, yeah, my clients as I hope they think they learn from me, yeah, and have a lot of fun doing it exactly. People together can be it's just a generative, beautiful process when you let it be absolutely   Michael Hingson ** 51:37 Well, I think that it's, it's important to do that. And as I tell people, if I'm not learning at least as much on this podcast and all the things that I get to do and interacting with people, if I'm not learning at least as much as other people, then I'm not doing my job very well. It's fun to learn, and it's fun to be open to exploring new ideas. And I sit back at the end of the day and think about them, think about what I like and don't like, but I base that on everything that I've heard, not only from a particular guest on a particular day, but everyone. So it's it's such a fun learning experience, I can't complain a bit.   Lisa Kohn ** 52:18 Yeah, that's good. Yeah, life. Life can be, life can be truly joyful when you are open to learning and seeing new things. Absolutely true.   Michael Hingson ** 52:25 So what do you love most about being a leadership consultant and an executive coach, you clearly sound like you're having fun.   Lisa Kohn ** 52:32 I definitely have fun, and fun is hugely important. Um, you know When? When? When you see a difference in your clients, when they get something that they needed to get, or they understand, or they move ahead in a way that they hadn't, or when they're, you know, finally standing up for themselves, or finally taking time for themselves, or finally, you know, working better with it, like when they're finally doing those things they set out to do, it is it? Is it is such a gift, right? It is such a gift. And similarly, you know, when you when we're working within tech teams, and you see them connect in ways they haven't connected, or move organization forward, or the team forward, or we were just working with a we're working with one client where there's a department in this organization, and the three areas in the that department are kind of at war with each other. And when you can get them in a room where they can actually start, you know, hearing each other and listening to each other and finding ways to move together forward, it's an organization that does a heck of a lot of good in the world, so they're going to be more effective on what they're doing, even more good is going to be done in the world. So it's, it's very ratifying to be able to be someone who can, I'm told, I inspire people, but I support people. But it's, it's very it's such a gift to be able to give people something that helps them feel better and therefore live and lead better. So   Michael Hingson ** 54:02 yeah, and what? And when you see the results of that, when you actually see them putting into practice the kinds of things that you talk about, and maybe they take it in a different direction than you originally thought. But of course, seeds get planted, where they get planted, and so it's the ultimate results that really count. But by the same token, when you start to see that happening, that has to be a wonderful feeling to experience,   Lisa Kohn ** 54:30 hugely gratifying. And it's the concussion brain kicking in, because I know there's an example just recently where a client told me of a conversation they had or something that happened. And we have a we have a whole conversation about how you realized six months ago, when I first met you, you never would have done it in that way. You never would have shown up in the way. But I can't remember what it was, but it did happen recently, but it's my short term memory that's the most messed up right now, but we'll get there.   Michael Hingson ** 54:55 Well, yeah, as I said, You just never know about seeds. And I've I've told. The story a couple times on the podcast, when I was doing student teaching in at University High School in Irvine, and I was in the teaching program, teacher credentialing program at UC Irvine, I taught high school freshman algebra is one of the two courses I taught. And there was a young man in this course. His name was Marty. He was from the eighth grade, but was very bright, and so he was accelerated for this class and a couple of things to go to a high school algebra class. And we were in class one day, and he asked a question, and it was a very easy question, and I didn't know the answer. Now, mind you, I didn't have a concussed brain. I just didn't know the answer. And immediately I thought, don't try to blow smoke with this kid. Tell him you don't know. So I said, Marty, I gotta tell you I should know the answer. I don't, but I'm gonna go find out, and I will tell you tomorrow. Okay? And he said, Yeah. So the next day, I came into class, and one of the things I love to do as a student, teacher, well as a teacher in general, if we back in those days, we use chalkboards, since I don't write, well, I would always have one of the students come up and be the official writer for the day. Everyone wanted to be the teacher's writer on the board on any given day. Well, I I came in, and I decided, because he hadn't done it for a while, that I'd have Marty come up and write when we started class. And I said, Marty, I got the answer. And he said, I do too. I said, Great, you're the Blackboard writer of the day. Come up and show us. Well, he had it right, and I had it right. So that was a good thing. But 10 years later, Oh, well. So the next thing that happened is, right after class, my master teacher, Jerry Redman, came up, and he said, you know, you absolutely did it the right way. Don't ever try to blow smoke with these kids. They'll see through it every time. Well, 10 years later, we were my wife and I at the Orange County Fair, and this guy comes up, and in this deep voice, he goes, Mr. Hingson, do you remember me? Well, if you didn't sound at all like Marty, and I said, well, not sure. Who are you? Said, I'm Marty. I was in your class 10 years ago, and I remember the algebra thing, you know, you never know where seeds are going to be planted. But that stuck with him all these years. And I didn't, I didn't think about it other than I was glad that Jerry Redman told me I did it the right way, but it was so wonderful to hear that he remembered it. So if I had any effect on him, so much the better.   Lisa Kohn ** 57:32 Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.   Michael Hingson ** 57:35 So what did you learn from cancer? What did I learn from other than, chemo is a pain. Chemo   Lisa Kohn ** 57:41 is not fun. I learned. I learned to slow down even more, like that, that again, the the amount My brother used to call me the little engine that will, no matter what you know, and I've learned to, and maybe this does, doesn't sound positive to people, but to go slower, to be gentler, to do less, to lower, you know, the push that was still in me. I mean, push is good, but too much pushes, too much of anything, is not good. I learned to appreciate life even more, nothing like a cancer diagnosis to kind of make you do that li

Long weekend ER problems cap off a tough summer across Canada (1:30) Guest: Dr. Fraser Mackay, Chair of Rural, Remote and Small Urban section, Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians Why Canadian universities are already sounding the alarm over caps on international students (16:42)  Guest: Gabriel Miller, President and CEO of Universities Canada Paris impresses as 2024 Paralympic Games host (33:04) Guest: Karolina Wisniewska, Canada's Co-Chef de Mission, Paralympic Games, winner of eight Paralympic medals in Para alpine skiing How competing in the Paralympics helped propel Rick Hansen's Man in Motion Tour (52:08) Guest: Rick Hansen, founder, Rick Hansen Foundation Families of those still held by Hamas in Gaza demand a hostage deal (1:07:29) Guest: Efrat Cohen Machikawa, niece of 80-year old Hamas hostage Gadi Cohen The healing power of music (1:26:12) Guest: Daniel Levitin, neuroscientist and cognitive psychologist, author of I Heard There Was a Secret Chord: Music as Medicine

Rick was elected to the Minnesota Legislature in 2004. He is currently serving his eighth term as the state representative for District 52A.  This current biennium, Rep. Hansen serves as chair of the Environment and Natural Resources Finance and Policy Committee, and is a member on the Capital Investment Committee, the Agriculture Finance and Policy…

Matt recaps his appearance on WCPT earlier in the afternoon; bizarre flight removal; Trump allegedly calls Benjamin Netanyahu; RFK Jr. close to dropping out; Jeff Stein joins the show for his Wednesday visit; Rep. Rick Hansen checks in from Chicago; dumpster fire arsonist arrested; older adults who quality for SNAP not taking advantage.

Rick was elected to the Minnesota Legislature in 2004. He is currently serving his eighth term as the state representative for District 52A.  This current biennium, Rep. Hansen serves as chair of the Environment and Natural Resources Finance and Policy Committee, and is a member on the Capital Investment Committee, the Agriculture Finance and Policy…

At age 15, Rick Hansen was told he would never walk again. Today, the six-time Paralympic medalist and Canadian icon joins guest host Buzz Bishop to discuss the people, experiences, and lessons that helped him navigate his darkest moments and complete a 40,000 km world tour. Rick shares how he redefined what it means to be an athlete, rebuilt his life purpose, and his advice for those confronting life's toughest challenges.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matt was joined by Rep. Rick Hansen from district 53B in the southeast metro as they talk about some of the work Hansen has done on ag and environmental policy.

On this episode of the Trilium Running Podcast, we celebrate the 50th anniversary of Tamarack Ottawa Race Weekend with the icon, the legend, the "Man in Motion" himself... Rick Hansen! Rick chronicles his national and international athletic success, his Man in Motion tour and winning Ottawa's inaugural wheelchair marathon in 1983. Find out more about Rick Hansen on IG: https://www.instagram.com/rickhansenofficial/ Find out more or sign-up to take part in Canada's biggest road race party of the year at https://www.runottawa.ca Register to be an Athletics Ontario member: https://athleticsreg.ca/#!/memberships/athletics-ontario-2024-membership

Matt was joined by Rep. Rick Hansen from district 53B in the southeast metro as they talk about some of the work Hansen has done on ag and environmental policy.

“We're not investing in technology. We're investing in human beings that are building a business.”When considering investment opportunities, it's not just about the idea or the market size. It's all about the person behind the venture. And guess what? Experience and resilience are the name of the game.Imagine a landscape shaped by the aftermath of the dot-com crash, where the very future of entrepreneurship hung in the balance. It was during these hard times that our guest, John Ruffolo went on a journey, driven by a passion for funding innovation and nurturing the seeds of entrepreneurship. With the guidance of luminaries like Anthony Shoapotti and Rick Hansen, the man in motion, John became a founding partner of not one, but two major capital funds, charting a course toward a brighter future for Canadian innovation. He didn't just witness challenges, he saw opportunities amidst the chaos. He recognized that entrepreneurs are like farmers, planting seeds of innovation in the fertile soil of the market. But just like crops need water and sunlight to thrive, entrepreneurs need capital to fuel their growth.Uncover the unique challenges facing Canadian innovation and the quest to bridge the gap between talent, capital, and markets. Through insightful anecdotes and practical wisdom, we discover the essence of the entrepreneurial mindset: a genuine desire to solve real problems for real people. We learn about the importance of having a clear vision, a differentiated solution, and the resilience to weather the storm.But perhaps the most valuable lesson is understanding what truly drives success. It's not just about chasing wealth; it's about finding purpose in making a meaningful impact on the world. And for those brave souls venturing into the world of entrepreneurship, there are key criteria to consider: a deep understanding of the problem, a compelling solution, and the ability to execute with precision.To learn more about John, you can find him on LinkedIn.https://www.linkedin.com/in/joruffolo/?originalSubdomain=caOr visit the Maverix Private Equity website.https://www.maverixpe.com/john-ruffoloExpert action steps: Stay intellectually curious. Embrace perseverance. Adaptability is key.Visit eCircleAcademy.com and book a success call with Nicky to take your practice to the next level.

Ever wondered how breaking the four-minute mile seemed impossible until Roger Bannister made it a reality? Our latest episode is a testament to the limitless potential within us all, as I recount tales of extraordinary individuals who've redefined the boundaries of human capability. I take you through a journey of inspiration, from Roger Bannister's historic run to James Lawrence's mind-boggling 50 Iron Man triathlons in 50 days, each story echoing the power of belief and tenacity. This isn't just about athletic prowess; it's a universal call to action to smash through our own barriers in every slice of life.The saga continues with Rick Hansen, whose response to paralysis was to wheel across the globe, sparking hope and supporting spinal cord research. Reflecting on Hansen's resilience, I share my personal brushes with obsession, from my infatuation with the Brat Pack films to narrowly escaping expulsion from my teaching program. These narratives weave together a message of relentless pursuit, encouraging listeners like you to redefine your perceived limits in professional realms and personal passions alike. Join us as we light the fire within PE Nation, proving that with unwavering determination, the impossible becomes possible.DaveWebsite for the book: https://www.teacherchefhockeyplayerbook.com/Email me at dcarney1017@gmail.com I'd love to hear from you!Large Group Start from Scratch Course with Bonus PDF's and Grant Writing Files:https://pedave1017.gumroad.com/l/programLarge Group Sport Ed course: https://gum.co/sportedMy website: https://www.supersizedphysed.comFREE E-Book: https://supersizedphysed.us18.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=289486a5abf1f1b55de651a5e&id=4c476cb01Leave a review: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-supersized-physed-podcast/id1435115135My TPT store with Task cards: https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Store/SupersizedphysedWebsite for the book: https://www.teacherchefhockeyplayerbook.com/

Ever wondered why negative experiences seem to linger longer in your memory than positive ones? It may surprise you to know that our brains are naturally wired towards negativity - but why is this the case, and how does it affect our perception and life experiences?  We explore from personal experiences and Rick Hansen's enlightening book "Hardwiring Happiness," why we remember the bad over the good, and how media and gossip further fuel this bias. Don't let your brain hold you back! Remember, your mind is the most potent tool you have, and learning how to harness its power can help you live life on your terms. We share practical strategies to overcome your natural tendency towards negativity. Join me for my 90-minute workshop to decrease stress and anxiety, all with the power of laughter.This will be a hoot!Workshop Details

Hey Friends,We are so excited to share this episode with you all today. We were honoured to have a truly inspirational guest join us – a Canadian icon, athlete, and global advocate for accessibility and inclusivity. Our guest today is none other than Rick Hansen.Rick shares with us about his love for the outdoors, nature, and conservation was fostered during his upbringing as a kid from Port Alberni BC. Rick was an active, athletic kid when his life took a profound turn at the age of 15 after a car accident left him paralyzed from the waist down.Instead of letting adversity define him, Rick turned it into an opportunity to become a beacon of hope and resilience.He used his passion for athletics to become a legendary wheelchair athlete. Rick is perhaps best known for his groundbreaking 'Man in Motion World Tour' from 1985 to 1987, where he circled the globe in his wheelchair, covering over 40,000 kilometers and raising millions for spinal cord research and accessibility initiatives.As the Founder of the Rick Hansen Foundation, Rick continues to lead the charge in creating a world that's more accessible and inclusive for people with disabilities. Today, we have the privilege of delving into his remarkable journey, his advocacy work, and the ongoing impact of his legacy in ensuring accessibility for all people.We know this episode will inspire you!Z&D Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Join us as we explore the impact of "St. Elmo's Fire (Man in Motion)" by John Parr. We discuss Parr's journey, his connections in the industry, the tight deadline he faced with David Foster, and the true inspiration behind his lyrics. It doesn't matter that its namesake movie is a stinker, because its association with Rick Hansen will always keep the true St. Elmo's Fire burning!  Official Video Naughty Naughty Video Rick Hansen Promo Mixtape You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and our website. You can email us at BandFGuiltFree@gmail.com, too. Feel free to rate and review us wherever you listen! Here is our Spotify playlist featuring every song we've featured. Our theme music is by the incredibly talented Ian McGlynn.  

Rick Hansen, Founder of the Rick Hansen Foundation and Canada's Man In Motion revisits the site of his accident on its 50th anniversary Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  The B.C government gives out free air conditioners to 8,000 vulnerable people Nadine Nakagawa, New Westminster City Councillor reacts to the province vowing to give out free air conditioners to 8,000 vulnerable people Interest rates and the state of B.C's economy Murray Leith, Executive Vice President and Director of Investment Research and Odlum Brown discusses the state of BC's economy The rise of Dark Kitchens in Vancouver Geoff Alexander, President and CEO of Wow Bao discusses the rise of Dark Kitchens in Vancouver Rick Hansen revisits the site of his accident on its 50th anniversary Rick Hansen, Founder of the Rick Hansen Foundation and Canada's Man In Motion revisits the site of his accident on its 50th anniversary Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kyle welcomes Rick Hansen to the podcast to talk about his many accomplishments. While most know Rick for his Man in Motion tour and his incredible advocacy for spinal cord research and awareness for individuals with disabilities, we were eager to explore Rick's passion for the outdoors and his commitment to conservation.Inspired by the dream of creating an accessible and inclusive world and finding a cure for spinal cord injury, Rick Hansen set out on a journey that would make history – the Man In Motion World Tour (MIMWT).From March 21, 1985 to May 22, 1987, Rick and his team wheeled over 40,000 km through 34 countries raising awareness about the potential of people with disabilities, creating accessible and inclusive communities, and finding a cure.Despite all the accomplishments Rick has achieved through the Rick Hansen Foundation, he has also found time to give back in the conservation realm. He was a founding member of the Fraser River Sturgeon Conservation Society and cares deeply about fish, wildlife and their habitat.

I freely admit that I mentioned can soda too many times in this episode. But it had a profound effect on my body and parts of my brain.    There are folks that use other substances in excess to deal with their symptoms or whatever else is going on with them. For me, it was sugar drinks and pastries.    Almost never met a donut I didn't like.   I no longer beat myself up on wanting to scarf up a sweet treat.  I do get pissed at myself when I do eat a problem food. There are repercussions.     Messed myself up on a piece of pie.  There are always repercussions when you do something you should not do.    It is important to understand that we as human beings tend to look for relief when we are in discomfort.  It is what we do.   In this episode, a look at a book from New Harbinger Publications on just in time help for anxiety.   If you need support contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-8255, the Trevor Project at 1-866-488-7386 or text “START” to 741-741. Resources Mentioned:  The Anxiety First Aid Kit, Quick Tools for Extreme, Uncertain Times by Rick Hansen, et al.   New Harbinger Publications search results for Anxiety Books. Dr. Ali Mattu has a YouTube video on 10 quick anxiety relief techniques. Dr. Mattu has a bunch of videos on a variety of mental health and psychology topics on his channel.   Disclaimer:  Links to other sites are provided for information purposes only and do not constitute endorsements.  Always seek the advice of a qualified health provider with questions you may have regarding a medical or mental health disorder. This blog and podcast is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Nothing in this program is intended to be a substitute for professional psychological, psychiatric or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.

Most people know the hit song "St. Elmo's Fire" from the soundtrack of the 1985 film of the same name, but it was the true story of Paralympic athlete Rick Hansen that inspired John Parr to write this classic single. In this episode, John breaks down the writing and recording of the song, which featured a world class cast of musicians. To support Chris DeMakes A Podcast (and get weekly bonus episodes of The After Party podcast), head to http://www.ChrisDeMakes.com to sign up for the Supporting Cast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Land of 10,000 Lakes or Land of 10,000 events? Join us as we talk with Rick Hansen, Director of Booking at Historic Theatre Group – which manages booking at the Orpheum, State, and Pantages Theatres in Minneapolis – all a part of the Hennepin Theatre Trust. In a market rich with live events with more theater seats per capita than any city in the US outside of NYC, Rick gives us an inside look into booking multiple venues in a city known for its impact on music. We discuss his career journey from the University of Colorado Denver Music Business Program to an internship with a record label, working for a music festival, to finally landing in his home town booking venues he grew up seeing shows at. Rick talks about the challenges and things he loves on the booking side, the boom of touring comedy, booking during the pandemic, and the importance of maintaining relationships in this industry - both with rivals and competitors, and with promoters who will bring you shows. Head to the theatre district, pull a seat up at the Capital Grille bar, order a “Stoli Doli,” and join us for this fun episode learning the ins and outs of booking in one of the largest hotbeds for live entertainment in the country.Rick Hansen: Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | EmailHennepin Theatre Trust: Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Rick Hansen will be taking over representing House District 53B in January.

Rick Hansen will be taking over representing House District 53B in January.

It’s our bonus Democrat of the Day with rep. Rick Hansen from district 53B in the southeast metro.

It’s our bonus Democrat of the Day with rep. Rick Hansen from district 53B in the southeast metro.

It’s our bonus Democrat of the Day with rep. Rick Hansen from district 53B in the southeast metro.

What would you do if your dad joined the occult, was possessed by satanic spirits, exercised a dozen demons out of his own body, and then went on to become a professional exorcist in your family living room? Would you be able to sleep at night? Would YOU help with the family business? Rick Hansen did. For this Halloween episode of The Spillover, Rick is here to tell his chilling childhood story of growing up with a demon possessed dad, what it was like performing over 100 exorcisms with him, and what really happens when you sell your soul to the devil.Podcast: Overcome Podcast with Justin WrenTEDx Talk: TEDx Talk and BioWebsite: https://www.rickhansenleadership.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-hans... Instagram @rickhansenleadership: https://www.instagram.com/rickhansenl...  Instagram: @rhansen77Get 2lbs of FREE chicken breasts AND $20 off by visiting GoodRanchers.com/CLARK or using code CLARK. Good Ranchers: American Meat Delivered. Are you ready for the BIGGEST, BADDEST, CONSERVATIVE party of the year?! Register for AmericaFest TODAY and use code POPLITICS  for 25% off general admission. We can't wait to see you there!

Rick Hansen is a Leadership expert with over two decades of experience in executive leadership and 10 years as a teacher and professor. Rick is the author of Leadership and the Art of Surfing and has a TEDx talk on the power of surfing as a metaphor for life. Rick overcame a significant stutter, and bullying, to become a powerful speaker and positively impact leaders around the world. Learn more about Rick and follow him: https://www.rickhansenleadership.com/ // LinkedIn // His TEDx Talk // Instagram @rickhansenleadership Referenced in this episode: Overcome episode #3 with Jared Padalecki; “100 Foot Wave” on HBO; HeroesInWaiting.org. Donate to Fight For The Forgotten: www.fightfortheforgotten.org, and join our monthly Fight Club! To help us continue to grow this podcast, please leave a rating or review for the show wherever you're listening. If you share a picture or clip on social media with a thought on the show, and I see it, I'll share it, too! I can't thank you enough for your support! I love doing these shows, and I work to use them to bring meaningful content to all our lives. Thank you for being here! To follow me on social: @TheBigPygmy or @overcomewithjustinwren. AND DON'T FORGET! Big thanks to our sponsor ONNIT: Save 10% on the best supplements in the world and the sponsor of this show who makes this possible at www.Onnit.com/overcome! Use code: OVERCOME

Setting aside time each day to literally do nothing is a fundamental practice to cultivating awareness. In order to coach ourselves to more fully understand our own thoughts and emotions, we need some quiet. We need to create space in our lives to calmly reflect. Busyness and distractions don't allow for the deeper reflection sometimes needed to work on our beliefs, attachments and typical reactions. The key is to practice it before we need it. Not when we're already in crisis mode. That's why I wanted to share with you some ideas and steps I've learned about how we can cultivate awareness by doing nothing. This practice is the one that really helps all of the other self-coaching tools designed to guide change. “So the entire basis of being able to be coached, and coach oneself – and change one's thoughts… navigate our emotions… create that space between when things happen and how we respond – is based on cultivating awareness, on having awareness of what's going on in our mind, in our brain.”  – Dr. Sara Dill What You'll LearnValue of doing nothing Practicing equanimity 3 Steps to do nothing Time, location, dedication Movement or none Disengage and gently label Contact Info and Recommended ResourcesBook:https://www.rickhanson.net/books/buddhas-brain/ (Buddha's Brain: the practical neuroscience of happiness, love and wisdom) by Rick Hansen, Ph.D. Connect with Sara Dill, MD, The Doctor's CoachWebsite: https://www.saradill.com/ (saradill.com) Work with me: https://www.saradill.com/coaching (saradill.com/coaching) I read all my own email and I'd love to hear from you! Please write to me at sara@saradill.com.  Get a FREE consultation with Sara! Sign up here: https://www.saradill.com/schedule (saradill.com/schedule) Get Dr. Dill's book https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Dilemma-Miserable-Quitting-Medicine/dp/1642792454/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= (The Doctor Dilemma: How to Quit Being Miserable Without Quitting Medicine) https://www.facebook.com/saradillmd (Facebook) https://www.instagram.com/sarawdill (Instagram)

Very few can claim the achievement of crossing Canada on foot or by wheelchair.In 1984: Steve Fonyo crossed the nation and raised $14 million for Cancer research. In 1986: Rick Hansen, crossed the nation by wheelchair to create awareness of the potential of people with disabilities and to find a cure for paralysis after spinal cord injury. In 1991: Al Howie ran from St. John's, NL to Victoria, BC in 72 days, 10 hours and 23 minutes.In 2002, Ann Keane ran from St. John's, NL to Tofino, BC in 143 daysIn 1980: Terry Fox embarked on an east-to-west cross-Canada run to raise money and awareness for cancer research. The spread of his cancer eventually forced him to end his quest early and cancer ultimately took his life, his efforts resulted in a lasting, worldwide legacy that is recognized to this day. Add to this list our guest this week. James Topp is a warrant officer with 28 years in the Canadian Armed Regular Force Infantry. Topp was recently placed on leave without pay and is currently in the process of being released under item code 5F, “unsuitable for further service”, due to his refusal to take the covid vaccine. As a form of peaceful protest, he across Canada, meeting with federal leaders such as Pierre Poilievre, Dr. Leslyn Lewis, Roman Baber, Maxime Bernier and others to share his personal experience and advocate for others with similar stories. He joins us today to talk about why he felt to do this march at this time, the response he's been receiving from Canadians, and what he hopes to accomplish long term.Thanks for joining us. Faytene.tv is a listener-supported program. To help us produce more interviews on essential topics for our nation, please click here to donate: https://www.faytene.tv/donate ____________________________If you want to be sure and never miss an episode, sign up for our email list here. We send notices about our most recent shows out weekly, as well as event information when applicable: https://madmimi.com/signups/72187/join____________________________ALSO, FIND US AT:Main Site: https://www.faytene.tv/YouTube: https://bit.ly/3d7XyTzFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/faytenetvInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/faytene/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/fayteneFlote: https://flote.app/user/FayteneVimeo: https://vimeo.com/channels/faytenetvBitchute: www.bitchute.com/channel/faytenetvRumble: https://rumble.com/user/faytenetvGab: https://gab.com/faytene#faytene #Canada #infantry #march #poilievre #lewis #baber #bernier #terryfox #jamestopp #peaceful #demonstration

“Taking in the Good” is a concept (taught by Dr. Rick Hansen) that has far-reaching and useful implications for binge eating recovery. Coach Julie shares how you can use this concept to support yourself in becoming binge-free. You'll learn practical ways to internalize positive experiences and to focus on what is going well as you let go of harmful habits.   Get the new Brain over Binge Recovery Guide Audiobook  Get personalized support from Coach Julie with group coaching or one-on-one coaching Subscribe to the Brain over Binge Course for only $18.99 per month Get the Second Edition of Brain over Binge on Amazon and Audible, BarnesandNoble.com, Apple iBooks, or Kobo. Download the free pdf, the Brain over Binge Basics.   Disclaimer: *The Brain over Binge Podcast is produced and recorded by Brain over Binge Recovery Coaching, LLC. All work is copyrighted by Brain over Binge Recovery Coaching, LLC, and all rights are reserved. As a disclaimer, the hosts of the Brain over Binge Podcast are not professional counselors or licensed healthcare providers, and this podcast is not a substitute for medical advice or any form of professional therapy. Eating disorders can have serious health consequences and you are strongly advised to seek medical attention for matters relating to your health. Please get help when you need it, and good luck on your journey.

Washington City takes center stage today, with the July 24th celebration and the price of power being the focus.

Now on The Pop Up Reunion Spectacular Surprise Promoter 101 Podcast we feature the legendary Author of "All You Need to Know About the Music Business" and Music Attorney Donald S. Passman Paladins Artists founders Steve Martin, Andy Somers and Wayne Forte walk us through the first year of the agency and it's future Plus a discussion on the state of the industry with the Brooklyn Bowl's Kirk Peterson Three Questions with Superfly's Ben Pitkowsky An special appearances from: BSE's Laurie Jacoby, AGI's Nick Storch, Ineffable's Thomas Cussins, Reliant Talent's Heath Baumhor & Frank Wing, FPC's Scott Leslie, Billboard's Dave Brooks, First Avenue's Nate Kranz, AC's Ted Heinig, Nederlander's Jamie Loeb, Vector's Brian Penix, TM's Pattianne Tarlton, AEG's Jason Bernstein, DSP's Dan Smalls, Jim Runge, Goldenvoice's Elliott Lefko, Works Entertainment's David Britz, Historic Theatre Group's Rick Hansen, Rocks Off's Jake Szufnarowski, LN's Michael Belkin, ICM Andrea Johnson, Warped Tours' Kevin Lyman, Tobin Centers' Aaron Zimmerman, The Pabst Theatre Groups Gary Witt and Matt Beringer, and RCA's Nick Light Hosted By: Emporium Presents' Dan Steinberg + Works Entertainments' Luke Pierce Direct Link: shorturl.at/rEHP7 Email Dan + Luke: steiny@promoter101.net Spotify: https://is.gd/T5SPEC‬ Tweet the Guys: https://twitter.com/Promoters101 Tweet Dan: https://twitter.com/TheJew Tweet Luke: https://twitter.com/wlukepierce Follow us on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/promoter101-29260148/ Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steinypromoter101/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/promoter101 Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/promoter101 Website: http://www.promoter101.net/ itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/promoter101/id1163910658?mt=2 Google Music: https://is.gd/onEmSt Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/promoter101?refid=stpr Tumbler: http://promoter101.tumblr.com/ Spreaker: https://www.spreaker.com/user/promoter101 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/promoter101 LinkedIn‬: https://www.linkedin.com/company/promoter101 Edited by Connor Merritt - Connor@EmporiumPresents.com

Now on The Pop Up Reunion Spectacular Surprise Promoter 101 Podcast we feature the legendary Author of "All You Need to Know About the Music Business" and Music Attorney Donald S. PassmanPaladins Artists founders Steve Martin, Andy Somers and Wayne Forte walk us through the first year of the agency and it's future Plus a discussion on the state of the industry with the Brooklyn Bowl's Kirk PetersonThree Questions with Superfly's Ben PitkowskyAn special appearances from: BSE's Laurie Jacoby, AGI's Nick Storch, Ineffable's Thomas Cussins, Reliant Talent's Heath Baumhor & Frank Wing, FPC's Scott Leslie, Billboard's Dave Brooks, First Avenue's Nate Kranz, AC's Ted Heinig, Nederlander's Jamie Loeb, Vector's Brian Penix, TM's Pattianne Tarlton, AEG's Jason Bernstein, DSP's Dan Smalls, Jim Runge, Goldvoice's Elliott Lefko, Works Entertainment's David Britz, Historic Theatre Group's Rick Hansen, Rocks Off's Jake Szufnarowski, LN's Michael Belkin, ICM Andrea Johnson, Warped Tours' Kevin Lyman, Tobin Centers' Aaron Zimmerman, The Pabst Theatre Groups Gary Witt and Matt Beringer, and RCA's Nick LightHosted By: Emporium Presents' Dan Steinberg + Works Entertainments' Luke Pierce Direct Link: shorturl.at/rEHP7Email Dan + Luke: steiny@promoter101.netSpotify: https://is.gd/T5SPEC‬ Tweet the Guys: https://twitter.com/Promoters101Tweet Dan: https://twitter.com/TheJewTweet Luke: https://twitter.com/wlukepierceFollow us on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/promoter101-29260148/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steinypromoter101/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/promoter101Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/promoter101Website: http://www.promoter101.net/itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/promoter101/id1163910658?mt=2Google Music: https://is.gd/onEmStStitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/promoter101?refid=stprTumbler: http://promoter101.tumblr.com/Spreaker: https://www.spreaker.com/user/promoter101YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/promoter101LinkedIn‬: https://www.linkedin.com/company/promoter101Edited by Connor Merritt - Connor@EmporiumPresents.com

OCAA All Time Dig Leader, OCAA Bronze Medalist, Provincial and National Champion with Pakmen, OVA All Star Regional Games Gold Medalist, Liam Butchereit joins the show! We discuss his entry into volleyball, high school at Rick Hansen, club, and playing in the OCAA We hope you enjoy this episode. If you've read this far please, please, please leave a comment, a 5 Star review and the best compliment you can give the show is telling your friends about us!  

This week's love story belongs to Rick and Amanda, and features all the kinds of love we celebrate on this podcast. But this episode also happens to feature a Canadian hero and icon. You might know him as the "Man in Motion". Rick Hansen won the hearts of Canadians over 35 years ago, when he traveled the globe in his wheelchair, raising awareness and money for spinal cord research. On that legendary journey, Rick lost his own heart to his physiotherapist, Amanda, who played a vital role in keeping him going physically, emotionally and psychologically. They have continued to be an extraordinary team over the years since, and their commitment to the cause has changed the lives of countless Canadians and inspired us all.

This week's love story belongs to Rick and Amanda, and features all the kinds of love we celebrate on this podcast. But this episode also happens to feature a Canadian hero and icon. You might know him as the "Man in Motion". Rick Hansen won the hearts of Canadians over 35 years ago, when he traveled the globe in his wheelchair, raising awareness and money for spinal cord research. On that legendary journey, Rick lost his own heart to his physiotherapist, Amanda, who played a vital role in keeping him going physically, emotionally and psychologically. They have continued to be an extraordinary team over the years since, and their commitment to the cause has changed the lives of countless Canadians and inspired us all.

What strategies are used to improve physical activity following a stroke? How is stroke research put into practise? What kinds of stroke recovery programs see the best outcomes?Janice Eng is a professor in the UBC Department of Physical Therapy at the University of British Columbia. She is a world leader in stroke recovery research, from basic neurobiology to novel clinical interventions and treatment programs, and has implemented these programs globally. Professor Eng is the Canada Research Chair in Neurological Rehabilitation, has been recognized for excellence in mentoring early career faculty, and is a Fellow of the Canadian Academy of Health Sciences.For more information about Janice Eng's research visit: https://neurorehab.med.ubc.ca/our-people/dr-eng/Audio played:"Stroke Recovery Through Exercise featuring UBC Vitality study participant Marco Chorbajian" produced by UBC"Hero in You" Interview with Rick Hansen, produced by the BC Hall of Fame"Excerpt from Awakening the Mind: The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" produced by the World Science Festival

What strategies are used to improve physical activity following a stroke? How is stroke research put into practise? What kinds of stroke recovery programs see the best outcomes?Janice Eng is a professor in the UBC Department of Physical Therapy at the University of British Columbia. She is a world leader in stroke recovery research, from basic neurobiology to novel clinical interventions and treatment programs, and has implemented these programs globally. Professor Eng is the Canada Research Chair in Neurological Rehabilitation, has been recognized for excellence in mentoring early career faculty, and is a Fellow of the Canadian Academy of Health Sciences.For more information about Janice Eng's research visit: https://neurorehab.med.ubc.ca/our-people/dr-eng/Audio played:"Stroke Recovery Through Exercise featuring UBC Vitality study participant Marco Chorbajian" produced by UBC"Hero in You" Interview with Rick Hansen, produced by the BC Hall of Fame"Excerpt from Awakening the Mind: The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" produced by the World Science Festival

Thirty-five years ago, Rick Hansen wheeled his way around the world, covering 40,000 kilometres through 34 countries. The Man in Motion continues to inspire people every day with his outlook on life, his optimism, and his gratitude. In this episode of the Digging Deep podcast, Rick tells us how that optimism helped him move forward after he was paralyzed from the waist down at the age of 15. He also talks about how much of the stress and anxiety that holds us back comes from within, and how if we stop looking at loss and disability, then we can start looking at the future through the lens of hope and possibilities. Rick shares the milestones he wants to see when it comes to inclusivity for those living with disabilities, and what he believes will happen in the near future -- perhaps with the help of one of the world's richest men. And he explains why he thinks a stickman in a wheelchair should not be the symbol of accessibility. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Such an honour to have Dick Voneugen at the studio as a guest on the Crazy Damn Canadians podcast Born in Amsterdam in 1932, Dick moved to Prince George in 1965 and played a key role in shaping the local sports scene and culture. He is also the only person in history to receive the Prince George Citizen of the Year recognition (1995 and 2007). Some other fun facts about Dick: He loves classical music He ran 72km's on his 72nd birthday He helped bring Terry Fox and Rick Hansen to PG in 1979 for a road race His best friend is Tom Masich He's the highest fundraiser in PG Terry Fox Run history His family secretly and courageously hid Jewish families in their house during WW2 He turns 89 years old on July 24th. His one birthday wish is for people to go for a run (any distance or pace) on his birthday. Podcast link: http://bit.ly/DickVoneugen #CrazyDamnCanadians

Rick Hansen is the Founder of the Rick Hansen Foundation and a passionate supporter of people with disabilities in Canada. Rick is best known as the “Man In Motion” for his epic 26-month, 34 country, 40,000 km wheelchair trip around the world to make the world inclusive for people with disabilities and to find a cure for paralysis. Since the end of the Man In Motion World Tour in 1987, Rick has dedicated his life to creating a world that is accessible and inclusive for all by removing barriers for people with disabilities through the Rick Hansen Foundation. Rick and his team at the Foundation are dedicated to raising awareness, changing attitudes, helping create accessible spaces, and liberating the amazing potential of people with disabilities. To learn more about Rick Hansen, please visit www.www.rickhansen.com

All Aboard! It's time for another trip through history! Lord Stanley likely wouldn't have had an issue with cash advancement or authorized payments, although it likely didn't hurt to keep some gold handy (maybe he knows something about the secret treasure the SS Georgina was carrying?) How many tokens do you think the NYC Subway collects each day and what the daily value is? More than a few loonies we're betting. Why loons and not beavers, which is Canada's official animal, if you didn't know eh? Rick Hansen raised quite a few loonies himself during his Man in Motion world tour to raise money and awareness for individuals living with physical disabilities. All this and more on The Time Machine with Trish and Mike. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/timemachinewithtrishmike/message

In this episode, Jessica shares her strategy for intentional and mindful "to-do lists" that will be a game changer! She shares briefly her personal story of feeling overwhelmed by all the tasks of the day, and how using a strategy called "my three things" has shifted the way she approaches each day and left her feeling more productive and more connected with what matters to her. The references mentioned in this podcast are listed below, as well as the ways to connect with Jessica. If you are in need of the support of a therapist, coach, or mentor reach out to Jessica for consultation. If she is not a great fit for what you need, she will help direct you to someone who will be!! Be well, friends!! Resources within Podcast: Being Well podcast with Dr. Rick Hansen and Forrest Hansen Episode#118 Maximize Productivity with Mindfulness with Chris Bailey Other Chris Bailey resources: BOOKS: Hyperfocus and The Productivity Project TED Talk: How to Get Your Brain to Focus WEBSITE: https://alifeofproductivity.com/the-productivity-project/ CONNECT WITH JESSICA: jessica@stillpointcounselingandwellness.com @jessicakinglcsw On Facebook as Jessica King, LCSW www.stillpointcounselingandwellness.com @stillpointilm on Facebook as Stillpoint Counseling and Wellness, PLLC --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jessica-king-lcsw/support

Rick Hanson, PhD is a psychologist, Senior Fellow of UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center, and New York Times best-selling author. His books have been published in 29 languages and include Neurodharma, Resilient, Hardwiring Happiness, Buddha's Brain, Just One Thing, and Mother Nurture - with 900,000 copies in English alone. His free weekly newsletter has 150,000 subscribers and his online programs have scholarships available for those with financial need. He's lectured at NASA, Google, Oxford, and Harvard, and taught in meditation centers worldwide. An expert on positive neuroplasticity, his work has been featured on the BBC, CBS, NPR, and other major media. He began meditating in 1974 and is the founder of the Wellspring Institute for Neuroscience and Contemplative Wisdom. He loves wilderness and taking a break from emails.Throughout history, people have sought the heights of human potential—to become as wise, strong, happy, and loving as any person can ever be. And now recent science is revealing how these remarkable ways of being are based on equally remarkable changes in our own nervous system, making them more attainable than ever before.In Neurodharma, New York Times bestselling author Dr. Rick Hanson explores the new neuroscience of awakening and offers a bold yet plausible plan for reverse-engineering peak experiences, sense of oneness, and even enlightenment itself. And he does so with his trademark blend of solid science and warm encouragement, guiding you along this high-reaching path with good humor, accessible tools, and personal examples.The breakthroughs of the great teachers are not reserved for the chosen few. Neurodharma shares seven practices for embodying them ourselves in daily life to handle stress, heal old pain, feel at ease with others, and rest in the sense of our natural goodness. By strengthening the neural circuitry of profound contentment and inner peace, you'll cultivate unshakable presence of mind, a courageous heart, and serenity in a changing world.With deep research, stories, guided meditations, examples, and applications, Dr. Hanson offers a fascinating, inspiring vision of who we can be – and an effective path for fulfilling this wonderful possibility.- https://www.rickhanson.net/Catch my book - Screw Being Shy, on my website markmetry.comPlease do NOT hesitate to reach out to me for any reason on LinkedIn, Instagram, via email mark@vudream.com, text me 508-925-0261!LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-metry/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/markmetry/Twitter - https://twitter.com/markymetryMedium - https://medium.com/@markymetryFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/Humans.2.0.PodcastMark Metry - https://www.markmetry.com/Humans 2.0 Twitter - https://twitter.com/Humans2Podcast

In this episode, I am excited to have Laura Mahr on to talk about resilience and the link between neuroscience and mindfulness to the practice of law. Laura Mahr is the founder of Conscious Legal Minds LLC, providing mindfulness and neuroscience-based coaching, training, and consulting for attorneys and law offices nationwide. Laura's cutting-edge work to build resilience to burnout, stress, and vicarious trauma in the practice of law is informed by 11 years of practice as a civil sexual assault attorney, two decades of experience as an educator and professional trainer, and 25 years as a student and teacher of mindfulness and yoga, and a love of neuroscience.   Topics Covered Laura starts the episode by talking on how her past helped her find her personal definition of resilience and how it works in the context of her work, as well as neuroscience and how it shaped how she views her control over herself. How she utilizes her knowledge of neuroscience to help her feel more comfortable, confident, and resilient in the courtroom. The connection between neuroscience and mindfulness and how they play into the practice of law. She also talks about her daily practice of self-care and how she increases her ability to be more resilient. Tools for utilizing mindfulness and neuroscience to help lawyers to build resilience to stress. Resources mentioned: Hardwiring Happiness Bouncing Back Find Laura at her website: Conscious Legal Minds     Questions? Comments? Email Jeena! hello@jeenacho.com. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho For more information, visit: jeenacho.com Order The Anxious Lawyer book — Available in hardcover, Kindle and Audible Find Your Ease: Retreat for Lawyers I'm creating a retreat that will provide a perfect gift of relaxation and rejuvenation with an intimate group of lawyers. Interested? Please complete this form: https://jeena3.typeform.com/to/VXfIXq MINDFUL PAUSE: Bite-Sized Practices for Cultivating More Joy and Focus 31-day program. Spend just 6 minutes every day to practice mindfulness and meditation. Decrease stress/anxiety, increase focus and concentration. Interested? http://jeenacho.com/mindful-pause/ Transcript Laura Mahr: [00:00:01] Yeah, whether we're in the courtroom or in our families or just out on the street, right it's really, there's so much unknown at any turn. But the more safe we can feel inside of ourselves, the more connected we can feel inside of ourselves, the more content we're going to be, the more satisfaction we're going to have. Intro: [00:00:18] Welcome to the Resilient Lawyer Podcast. In this podcast, we have meaningful, in-depth conversations with lawyers, entrepreneurs, and change agents. We offer tools and strategies for creating a more joyful and satisfying life. And now your host, Jeena Cho. Jeena Cho: [00:00:42] Hello my friend, thanks for joining me for another episode of The Resilient Lawyer podcast. In this episode, I am so happy to have Laura Mahr. She is the founder of Conscious Legal Minds, providing mindfulness and neuroscience-based coaching training and consulting for attorneys and law firms nationwide. Laura's cutting-edge work to build resilience to burnout, stress, and vicarious trauma and the practice of law is informed by 11 years of practice as a civil sexual assault attorney, two decades of experience as an educator and professional trainer, and 25 years as a student and teacher of mindfulness and yoga, and a love of neuroscience. [00:01:23] Before we get into the interview, if we haven't heard the last bonus episode please go back and check it out. I shared a 6-minute mindfulness practice that you can do to let go of stress and anxiety. So often I hear from lawyers that they know they should practice mindfulness, but they don't have the time. So I want to create a program that would make it very easy to fit into the busy lawyer's schedule, at just six minutes a day for 31 days. So give it a try and see for yourself, the benefits and the impact of having a regular mindfulness practice. Head on over to JeenaCho.com to learn more, or check it out in the show notes. And with that, here's Laura. Laura, welcome to the show. Laura Mahr: [00:02:05] Thanks Jeena, it's really, really great to be here. I love your podcast and I'm so happy to be part of it. Jeena Cho: [00:02:11] Thank you. So let's start by having you give us a 30-second introduction of who you are and what you do. Laura Mahr: [00:02:18] I am a resilience coach and a trainer and a consultant. I work with individual lawyers and law firms and I train big groups of lawyers in North Carolina and around the country on issues related to resilience, burnout prevention, and ways to mitigate vicarious trauma. Jeena Cho: [00:02:40] For the listeners that aren't perhaps familiar, when you talk about resilience what does that mean? Laura Mahr: [00:02:46] To me, resilience is really the ability to experience a stressful situation, whether it's an external stress like a statute of limitations or running out of time or having to face a judge that's really challenging, or it could be an internal stress like perfectionism or the feeling of not being confident enough, and to go through a situation and make it out the other side not only alive but better than you were when you went in. So it's really the ability to bounce back from any kind of stressor better than you were before it happened. Jeena Cho: [00:03:27] Was there a person or an experience that led you to be curious about resilience and how to incorporate it into your life? Laura Mahr: [00:03:38] Yeah, definitely. I went to law school, I chose to go to law school after being a full-time meditation and yoga instructor. So I'd already studied a lot about breathing; I taught three hour-long workshops on how to breathe and I taught long meditation classes and I learned a lot in that about what it means to be resilient, and different things that we can do, whether it's a yoga practice or breathing practice. And so I went to law school and I had already done all of that. And so I thought, I'm going to just fly through law school; I have all of these great skills. And very quickly into law school, I realized that I'd gotten in way over my head, that law school was really a bigger challenge than I'd ever experienced before. And my personal resilience, though I didn't even know the term at the time this was early 2000's (I didn't know what resilience even was or what a lack of it meant) I just knew that I was really struggling and I wasn't enjoying the experience like I had hoped I would. And I went through law school; I ended up having a really great experience by the time I graduated. I met a lot of really great people and had a lot of really inspiring internships. But then I got into law and I became one of the first lawyers in the country to work with sexual assault and sexual harassment of farmworker women, so migrant farm workers that are experiencing sexual harassment on the job. [00:05:16] And from there I went on to really become a sexual assault attorney and a trainer for the Office on Violence Against Women on issues related to sexual violence. And through that experience for a decade, working with survivors, I worked with women on the streets as well, women experiencing homelessness, and a lot of other really highly vulnerable populations. And through that experience and through having a job that is dealing with sexual assault, dealing with sexual harassment, dealing with trauma all of the time, I experienced a lower resilience. And again, I didn't know what resilience was, I didn't know what a lack of resilience was. I just knew that for me personally, I didn't have that kind of energy that I wanted to have and that I was used to having at the end of the day. And it wasn't the kind of energy that I could just get a good night's sleep and feel like, oh and bounce back to that kind of Laura Mahr that I knew myself to be. And so it was really through going through my own kind of vicarious trauma experience, through my own level of burnout, that I came to be interested in what this thing called resilience is, and ultimately what is neuroscience and how does that help us lawyers. Jeena Cho: [00:06:39] When you were going through this experience, what were some of the signs that perhaps something isn't quite right or that is something that you needed to pay attention to? Laura Mahr: [00:06:51] For me, more than anything it was really fatigue. I loved my job, I loved what I did, I loved the people I worked with, and I was really passionate and still am passionate about sexual assault survivor's rights and bringing justice into people's lives that have experienced sexual harassment. And so it wasn't a lack of passion, though for a lot of people that experience burnout it can be this slow erosion of their energy or their enthusiasm that over time results in feeling out of balance in one or more areas of their life. And for me, I felt really good at work, I liked what I did. And at home, I had you know a vibrant travel and I did all of those things. But for me, it was really this feeling of being tired all the time, and not having the kind of energy that I was used to having when I practiced. Jeena Cho: [00:07:51] So you sort of realize, "Oh I'm tired all the time." And then what was sort of the next step that you took, once you realized that your energy level isn't where it used to be? Laura Mahr: [00:08:05] I started looking at ways to get my energy back, so I did a lot of Eastern medicine, which included yoga and meditation, as well as acupuncture and herbs and things like that, and that helped to an extent. I also tried a couple of different modalities of like, EMDR, which is a trauma release therapy. And I tried internal family systems therapy, which is a way to deal with trauma and vicarious trauma. So I tried some mental health approaches, I tried some medicine. I didn't try any Western medicine; I really am more of an Eastern medicine kind of person. And I tried to exercise and I tried to eat right. And I really tried the resources that were out there for me at that time. [00:09:01] Well ultimately, I decided that I really needed to stop practicing law altogether. So I kind of tried all these things, and I still wasn't able to get my energy to a place where I felt like I was really engaged in life enthusiastically. And so I took a really radical step for me personally; I was very wrapped up and am very passionate about women's rights and the rights of sexual assault survivors, and so it was hard for me to step away. But I did. Jeena Cho: [00:09:35] Yeah, and also as lawyers we tend to identify so much of who we are with what we do and having that title of a lawyer. What was that journey to figuring out, you know maybe law practice isn't right for me and I'm going to do something different? I mean, that's a huge step. Laura Mahr: [00:09:55] Yeah, and it's one of the things I see, I saw in myself and I also see in the clients that I work with. Which is, if I don't do law what am I going to do? And I put all of this money and all of this time to go through law school, and to learn all these skills. And when we're in it we don't see how transferable our skills are, and we also don't see our options. And that's one of the things about burnout, is really feeling like you're in a closed system. It's sort of black or white; it's like this or nothing. And for me, thinking about it being sort of this or nothing, it gave me a feeling of being trapped and I really needed some more options. And for me, that meant taking some time off to really explore what my options are. Jeena Cho: [00:10:48] When you say you took time to explore your options, what did you do? Were there specific things that you did to sort of figure out what the umbrella or the scope of all the different things that you could do looked like? Laura Mahr: [00:11:03] Yeah. Well, the first thing that I did when I decided to take time off is I started to sleep. And I really underestimated, from the time I went to law school through my decade of being an attorney, I really underestimated the power of integration and restoration that happens with sleep. I was one of those people that was like, oh you know I'm pretty good during law school on three or four hours of sleep. And it was more important to me always to get work done than it was to sleep. And so one of the first things that I did when I when I decided to take my sabbatical was to start getting a lot of rest. And that really helped, and that just helped me feel a lot more calm and a lot more vital. And I started being like, oh I actually have energy and interest in a lot of things. And one of the things that really drew my attention was, what does it mean to be resilient? So this term resilient then kind of came into my world, and I was like, oh this is a cool term. [00:12:11] Oh yeah, that's exactly what I'm lacking here; I'm lacking resilience. And so I started to read about resilience, and then I started to really get into neuroscience. And I realized that for me, that was the missing link. So I knew how to meditate, I knew how to do yoga, I knew how to exercise, I knew how to eat right. I went to the acupuncturists, I got massages, I did all of these things; but it was really my thoughts and beliefs that had kind of taken me over, versus me being able to channel them so that I was feeling well when I was thinking. And that was really the turning point for me, is when I realized that there were ways that I could train my mind and my body and my emotions to work for me instead of working against me. Jeena Cho: [00:13:05] What did that training look like? Laura Mahr: [00:13:09] For me, it involved pretty much reading every single book I could about neuroscience and mindfulness, and then practicing all of the techniques. I also listen to a lot of TED talks and podcasts and just immersed myself in the subject of resilience and neuroscience. I also trained in internal family systems therapy, which is a really neuroscience-based therapy that I was using myself, and then I got to understand this is why this works so well. And so I use that a lot with my clients, is really helping to understand what parts of me are saying what, and when they say that how does it feel, and then what's the emotional response to that. So let me give an example so maybe people can understand. [00:13:57] Let's say I'm in a courtroom and I'm just about to try my case. And I'm not breathing very well, I'm nervous; I'm not sure how this is going to go. I don't have a lot of control over a lot of things, including what my client is going to say, what the judge is going to do, what opposing counsel is going to say. I don't even have control over the lights, the sound; I don't have control over most anything. So I can start telling myself, "This might not go well. What if this happens and what if that happens and what if all these terrible things happen?" So there's my mind going off on all these terrible things that can happen. And when my mind starts saying all these terrible things are happening, then my body starts to respond: my stomach starts to clench, my shoulders start to hunch, my throat starts to close, and I start having this experience of feeling unsafe in the moment. Like emotionally unsafe, physically unsafe, like my fight or flight response starts to kick in. Like either get out of the courtroom or give it all you've got, but not from a relaxed place, from a stressed place. And when that happens, then my emotional experience is one of displeasure, not of well-being. I'm not feeling happy with what I'm doing, I don't want to be here, I'd rather be 100 other places, even though this is my job and I love my job. So to turn that around, using mindfulness and neuroscience, I started to practice listening to what I was saying to myself. [00:15:30] So what if I start saying, instead of 100 things could go wrong here let me start thinking about all the things that are going well. Well, my client showed up. Well, looks like the judge is having a good day. Well, the opposing counsel and I have actually done this case before so this could go pretty well, actually I've had an experience with this person it's generally going well. And then once I start noticing that I'm saying kinder things to myself, my physical body has a reaction. My breathing starts to slow down, my voice quality drops, instead of talking in a really high pitched voice really fast, I start to slow down. My thinking, I'm able to think more clearly and speak more clearly and I'm able to then enjoy myself more. Here I am, doing what I love, doing the best job I possibly can in the moment, given the case that I've got, the facts, what's going on. And starting to realize that I have a lot more control internally than I do externally, and so that's the first place to start; my own experience. Jeena Cho: [00:16:41] And of course that's the only thing that we really have control over, as you mentioned we have control over pretty much nothing else in the external world. Laura Mahr: [00:16:51] Yeah, whether we're in the courtroom or in our families, or just out on the street; there's so much unknown at any turn. But the more safe we can feel inside of ourselves, the more connected we can feel inside of ourselves, the more content we're going to be, the more satisfaction we're going to have moment-to-moment. And kind of at the end of our day or the end of our month or life we look back and we're like, yeah I pretty much enjoyed myself, I did what I could with what I had. Jeena Cho: [00:17:22] Yeah, I love that. What's the connection between neuroscience and mindfulness, and how is that related to the practice of law? Laura Mahr: [00:17:31] So, neuroscience is (for those of you that don't know) the study of the brain and the nervous system, and together how they impact our behavior and our cognitive functioning. And when I'm talking about cognitive functioning I'm talking about our ability to think, our ability to reason, our ability to perceive, and our ability to remember. And these are the things we do as lawyers; we have to think, we have to perceive, we have to reason, we have to remember. And so to me, neuroscience is spot-on for us lawyers. It's like, if we want to lawyer better, if we want to lawyer more effectively and more efficiently, then it's really important for us to be able to work with our brains. In neuroscience and some of the neuroscience tools and techniques that I teach my one-on-one client or I teach in a CLE I'm giving, really help us to hone in on how our brain is responding in any moment. So when we're aware, like that example I just gave about being in a courtroom, when we're aware of what we're thinking, physically feeling, and emotionally sensing, then we can ask those things (if they're sort of not helping in a moment) to step back so we can have a little bit more space to think, a little bit more space to reason, and a little bit more space to remember and to think creatively on our feet. And so that's how mindfulness helped, right? It's like, oh this is what's going on. Let me consciously ask these parts of me to step back. And then when those parts step back, there's this awesome feeling of spaciousness and choice. It's like, oh okay. Well here I am, now what do I want? And that's where neuroscience comes in. So neuroscience comes in and says, well if I have the choice then I'm going to order the best thing on the menu. And the best thing on the menu is a positive-feeling thought, and then a corresponding relaxed feeling in our body, and then a corresponding positive emotion. And so those are the things that when we use mindfulness to get the space, then these other awesome things can start bubbling up and we can choose those things, and those things are generally the things that create resilience in life and resilience in the practice of law. Jeena Cho: [00:20:01] What does your daily practice of increasing your ability to be more resilient or self-care look like? Laura Mahr: [00:20:09] Yeah, that is such a great question and no one's ever asked me that before, so I'm going to reveal all. It really depends on the day. I am a human being, I run my own business, I see clients, I do trainings, I'm all over the country; I'm all over the state. I'm doing a lot of things at the same kind of pace that I did when I practiced law. So that means that some days I have time to do what I love, which is an hour-long meditation. And that meditation can be a meditation where I'm creatively visualizing what I'm about to do, so I'm imagining it going really well. It might be a meditation where I am working with parts of me that feel resistant, it might even be a meditation where I'm working with the parts of me that feel tired. So I'm turning toward the parts of me that feel resistant, or I'm turning towards a part of me that say, oh wow you know, I would really rather go to the beach today than work. And I'm like, okay great, let me work with those parts of me that are resistant. So sometimes I can be cultivating energy, cultivating enthusiasm, or kind of working with the parts of me that are tired or not feeling resilient, and so I might do that in a meditation. And if I have time, an hour is great. But the thing I love about neuroscience is that you don't have to do it in a whole hour. So most lawyers that I work with are like, "I have kids, I have this busy schedule. I've got 20 million things to do. I don't actually have time to spend an hour meditating." And so I love neuroscience because with neuroscience, it's like shorter, more frequent practice gets you better results than doing it for an hour. So it's really awesome for lawyers, and for all of the working profession. Most of us just don't have that much time. [00:22:11] So it's the kind of thing you can do in a short amount of time, and get really great results. So that might look like for me, it's like if I don't have time to meditate in the morning to kind of get myself feeling calm and comfortable and confident with what's coming up, I might be like, Well best I can do is have a green juice and bike to work or walk around the block or walk my dog, get my get my energy moving, eat well, exercise. And then throughout the day I'll just start inserting, each time I notice myself feeling stressed I'll just insert a positive thought. So I can just be like, "Oh I don't have enough time," and I'll be like, wouldn't it be nice if I had all the time in the world to get there, wouldn't it be nice if traffic cleared and I got there on time? Wouldn't it be nice if the meeting started late and it didn't matter that I was five minutes late? [00:23:07] And so I just heard switching over how I'm thinking, so that when I show up, whether I'm five minutes late or on time, I'm coming at whatever I'm doing from a more relaxed, peaceful, calm and really better place. Like my mind is just more calm, it's more able to be effective in the moment than if I show up and I'm panicked and worried and stressed that I'm five minutes late. Jeena Cho: [00:23:33] Right, right, yeah it's changing your perspective. It's often so not easy because we can kind of get caught up in whatever thoughts we have, and of course we believe those thoughts to be true and as facts, and it's really sometimes challenging to step back and say, okay what is a different interpretation? Or what's the lens that I'm looking at this situation through, and what if I changed the filter? Laura Mahr: [00:24:04] Yes, exactly. And that's one of the exercises I do with clients that I work on one-on-one, is we will come up with something that is stressing them out. So let's say it's a job decision, and they're trying to decide if they're going to move to this other job. I'll just have them write a list of all the things that they believe to be true about this new job, or about transitions in general. So it could be like, well I'm really worried about this one person that works there, I think they're going to be my supervisor and I'm sure that they are going to be really hard on me, harder than the supervisor I have right now. Or I'm worried that this is going to give me less time to be with my family instead of more. And then whatever their list of worries are or concerns, then we'll really just say, is this true for everybody, or is it something that you've thought so much about that you think it's now true for you? And then we kind of imagine like, would this be true for any of their peers, or is this true if this was happening to one of your personal leaders, or one of the people that you respect? Is it true for them, or is it just true for you? Is it true for your partner, is it true for your friend? [00:25:26] And generally kind of moving through that it's like, well no this isn't actually a truth, this is just one of the things I've thought so many times that I now believe it. And then we'll flip it around and say, well wouldn't it be nice if what you really wanted to be true was true? So like, wouldn't it be nice if doing this job actually gave you more time to spend with your family? Yeah, yeah, that would be really nice. And then you start to cultivate more confidence in that being possible, and more courage in trying something new. And then when people do transition, if they take that job that they had some concerns about, they're more likely to come at it with a really positive perspective than if they were coming in with all the doors closed. Like this is not going to go well, I know it's not. And then like you just said Jeena, it's like changing the filter. Like looking at this from I can get what I want here versus I already know going in I'm not going to get what I want. Jeena Cho: [00:26:27] Yeah, yeah. You know, for the listeners out there that aren't familiar with neuroscience or mindfulness, what are some resources that you recommend? Any favorite books or TED talks? Laura Mahr: [00:26:43] Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite teachers is Rick Hansen, do you know his work? Yeah, he's from California. He's a well-known person, and he is a Ph.D. and neuropsychologist, and he has a lot of podcasts and books. But one of my favorite books, it's kind of the beginner book I like to send my students to, is Hardwiring Happiness. And that's an audiobook you can get, you can also just read the book. And he really talks you through what neuroscience is and how it impacts the brain and our cognitive functioning. And I was just listening, (one of my students) I'm teaching a six-week meditation class right now for lawyers and I suggested the book last week. And she said, "I love that book. I was actually listening to it on the way to class today, and I knew I was going to be late to class but I thought, you know what I'm just going to listen to this book and it doesn't matter if I show up late. Usually I would show up just like huffing and puffing and frustrated and feeling guilty, and instead I just came in and was like, it's ok that I'm late." And it was okay, it didn't matter to me at all. So that's one of my favorite books. Another book that I really love is Bouncing Back by Linda Graham. The full title is Bouncing Back: Rewiring Your Brain for Maximum Resilience and Well-being. And in this book she does a really great job of talking about the neuroscience of the brain and the different parts of the brain, and how the brain is wired. And then it also has a lot of how to's, so this is a way to do this practice, and you can do this practice. And so she gives a lot of examples that you can use at home and try yourself and see for yourself how to rewire your brain. Jeena Cho: [00:28:42] I love that, I love books that give very practical, here is a list of things that I can do immediately. And it's not like some esoteric concepts and I'm trying to decipher what that actually looks like in daily practice. Laura Mahr: [00:28:56] Absolutely. And she's got exercise after exercise, and each chapter is just like, try this, try this. And she lays it out really easily how to do it. Jeena Cho: [00:29:05] I love that, I'm going to have to check it out. Laura, for the people that want to learn more about you and your work, what are the best places to do that? Laura Mahr: [00:29:16] You can go to my website, it's www.consciouslegalminds.com or you can google Laura Mahr, Google Conscious Legal Minds, and that'll talk about the work that I do with law firms and individual clients. And also if you're interested in bringing an interesting CLE to your state or to the conference that you're putting together I train on burnout, both bouncing back and the burnout itself. I train on resilience, I train on mindfulness, I train on neuroscience, and also on vicarious trauma. I also can teach yoga, so if you're looking for a company retreat that involves movement as well as mindfulness, I can do all of those things. Jeena Cho: [00:30:09] Wonderful. Laura My final question to you is what does it mean to be a resilient lawyer to you? Laura Mahr: [00:30:17] What a great question. To me, it means to every day go into whatever it is that I'm doing curious about what's going to happen, with an awareness that no matter what happens, I'm going to be OK. And then try on whatever the day has to offer, and if I make a mistake to learn from it, to make meaning from it. And to take the next step that day or the next day, knowing that I have learned and I have experienced something that is valuable and meaningful to me that I can apply to the next day, and to the next conversation I have, the next thing I teach, and the next thing I do. Jeena Cho: [00:31:00] Laura thank you so much for joining me today, and for sharing your advice and wisdom. Laura Mahr: [00:31:06] Thank you so much for having me Jeena, and I look forward to meeting anyone that's listening to the podcast. And you can email me through my website on the contact page, and I'm always interested to hear from lawyers who are trying mindfulness, curious about resilience, and want to know more about what's going on. Or are doing things themselves that I don't know about, I would love to learn from everyone out there. Jeena Cho: [00:31:31] Wonderful, and all of your information will be in the show notes. Laura Mahr: [00:31:35] Thank you. Closing: [00:31:39] Thanks for joining us on The Resilient Lawyer podcast. If you've enjoyed the show, please tell a friend. It's really the best way to grow the show. To leave us a review on iTunes, search for The Resilient Lawyer and give us your honest feedback. It goes a long way to help with our visibility when you do that, so we really appreciate it. As always, we'd love to hear from you. E-mail us at smile@theanxiouslawyer.com. Thanks and look forward to seeing you next week.