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In this episode of Men Talking Mindfulness, we welcome back Dr. Shauna “Doc” Springer, a globally recognized expert on psychological trauma, military transition, and close relationships. Known as a trusted Doc to our nation's military warfighters, her insights have shaped trauma recovery approaches and have been sought by renowned platforms from CNN to Psychology Today. Previously, we discussed Men and Therapy. This time, we pivot our focus to a profound and deeply impactful topic: Moral Injury. As the author of acclaimed books like 'WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us' and co-author of 'BEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration', Doc Springer is uniquely positioned to guide us through the complexities of moral wounds, often suffered by those who face situations that clash with their ethical or moral beliefs. With her two decades of experience at the extremities of human experience, we'll explore the nuances of moral injury, its effects on individuals and communities, and the path to healing and reconciliation. Through the lens of Doc Springer's extensive work with our nation's defenders and her innovative approach combining biological and psychological interventions, this conversation promises deep introspection, enlightenment, and understanding. Join us for a journey into the heart of moral consciousness, its fractures, and the resilient spirit that seeks to mend it. Whether you're a veteran, a loved one, or someone who seeks to understand the depths of human experience, this episode offers a beacon of insight and hope. Links:The Shot (movie mentioned by Shauna): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTwoKMUBJFA Doc's site: https://www.shaunaspringer.com Ketamine is not God, written by Doc: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/free-range-psychology/202306/ketamine-is-not-god The Stella Center: https://stellacenter.com/ Warrior Book: https://www.amazon.com/WARRIOR-How-Support-Those-Protect/dp/1736824406/ Relentless Courage Book: https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-Courage-Winning-Against-Frontline/dp/B0CBL6GQSN/ref=sr_1_1?crid=USSR08SPJIKC&keywords=relentless+courage&qid=1696453129&s=books&sprefix=relentless+courage%2Cstripbooks%2C124&sr=1-1 Time Stamps: (00:01:02) The realm of moral injury. (00:05:10) Moral injury and friendship. (00:09:26) Defining moral injury. (00:13:30) Expanding understanding of moral injury. (00:19:14) A clear moral code. (00:23:30) Warrior code and trust. (00:26:13) Moral injury in Vietnam war. (00:30:39) Serious moral injuries in war. (00:33:10) Moral injury and first responders. (00:37:13) Treating the biological injury. (00:43:21) Shame and suicidal thinking. (00:45:43) Betrayal and moral injury. (00:49:19) Creating awareness and healing. (00:53:12) Biological therapies and ketamine. (00:57:44) Ketamine is not God. (01:01:20) Therapist attachment and dangers. (01:05:10) Mindfulness as a way of living. (01:09:41) Biological treatment and psychological insights. (01:14:23) Warrior master guide for mental wellness. (01:16:50) Reviews and book success. (01:21:33) Belief in what you're doing.

"Men and Therapy" w/ Shauna Springer, Ph.D., Leading Expert Therapy Men Talking Mindfulness!! Let's change the stigma surrounding mental health for EVERYONE including men! As we discussed in our "Asking for Help Episode" - men are less likely to ask for help - well, men are less likely to seek help with their mental health! According to the American Psychological Association, “dozens of studies and surveys over the past several decades have shown that men of all ages and ethnicities are less likely than women to seek help for all sorts of problems–including depression, substance abuse and stressful life events–even though they encounter those problems at the same or greater rates as women.” Join Jon and Will for a special "off schedule" episode of Men Talking Mindfulness as they discuss this topic with special guest, Dr. Shauna Springer ("Doc")! Check out Doc's book on her website: drshaunaspringer.com Check out the Master Guide to Mental Wellness on redefiningyourmission.com (0:00) Preview (1:00) MTM Intro (2:00) Welcome to the show! (3:00) Movement Rx: M2 Experience begins October 27th movementrx.com/mtm (3:30) Get your MTM Swag between now and November 7th! mentalkingmindfulness.com (4:00) Introducing Doc Springer (5:00) Will leads Opening Grounding Practice (9:00) Who is Doc Springer? (She'll kick your ass) (12:30) What are the obstacles of getting people into therapy? (16:30) Developing trust is key, but requires different approach (22:30) What is the role of therapy in growth? (24:00) Why going to therapy might destroy a warrior's career. (32:00) Venting to your buddies is not therapy (33:45) Doc Springer calls Will out (35:00) Therapy is work and a therapist is there to help you get shit done. (36:30) Doc is playing Legend of Zelda ‘86 (38:00) If you're going to play a video game, you need a gamer by your side. (41:30) Confined masculinity is just avoidance. (46:00) How do you display compassion without bruising egos? (49:15) How do you find the right therapist? (54:00) CW: Suicide (55:00) Taking away someone's weapon is a delicate but crucial matter (59:00) Warriors are constantly in Fight-or-Flight (1:04:00) There are a LOT of therapies, but it's all about the doctor (1:09:30) Get started with redefineyourmission.com (1:12:00) Jon leads Closing Grounding Practice ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

Dr. Shauna Springer – known as “Doc Springer” in the veteran community, is one of the nation's leading experts on PTSD and transitional trauma. In addition to speaking and writing engagements, Dr. Springer is Chief Psychologist at Stella, a health care organization on the cutting edge of biological interventions and psychedelic therapy for treatment of severe trauma exposure. Dr. Springer holds a PhD in Counseling Psychology. Timestamps: 1:30 - Podcasting 5:00 - Bids for Attention in relationship and day-to-day interactions; “phubbing” 10:00 - Profile of someone who experienced childhood trauma; creating a protector image 16:00 - universal impact of trauma; all walks of life 19:00 - Extroversion vs Introversion: introverts are not unfriendly 34:00 - Trauma as a biological injury; ketamine therapy Stellacenter.com40:00 - Psychedelic Medicine vs mindfulness47:00 - Therapeutic Modalities Items Referenced: Doc Springer's Website: https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/Stella: https://stellacenter.com/Free Range Psychology (Psychology Today): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/free-range-psychology Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shauna ‘Doc' Springer is a licensed psychologist, frequently requested keynote speaker, award-winning podcast host, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. A Harvard graduate who has become a trusted Doc to our nation's military warfighters and first responders, she navigates diverse cultures with exceptional agility. She is the author of three best-selling books, WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, BEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration, and RELENTLESS COURAGE: Winning the Battle Against Frontline Trauma. As the Chief Psychologist for STELLA, she advances a new model for treating psychological trauma that combines biological and psychological interventions.Doctor Shauna Springer is an expert in all things PTSI (Post Traumatic Stress Injury) and has spent over a decade working with elite warriors and their families in healing from trauma, no matter the source of it. We are coming in hot with this first episode of 'Listen Up!'Honorable Mentions:Connect with Doc Springer on LinkedinStella | Stellate Ganglion Block (SGB) & Ketamine Therapy Treatment - Stella (stellacenter.com) Speaking - Doc Shauna Springer WARRIOR: Doc Springer's Personal Online Guide to Her Work (shaunaspringer.com)For more information about All Secure Foundation, visit https://allsecurefoundation.org/

This is a LIVE replay of A Trauma Survivor Thriver's Podcast which aired Wednesday, April 26th, 2023 at 1130am ET on Fireside Chat. Today's guest is Jamie Mustard, Co-Author of the book the Invisible Machine: The Startling Truth About Trauma and the Scientific Breakthrough That Can Transform Your Life. For more information about the Dual Sympathetic Reset Procedure, visit The Stella Center. Lorilee Binstock  00:16:58  Welcome. I'm Lorilee Binstock, and this is A Trauma Survivor Thriver's Podcast. Thank you so much for joining me live on Fireside Chat, where you can be a part of the conversation as my virtual audience. I am your host, Lorriely Benstock, Everyone has an opportunity to ask me or our guest questions on this show by requesting a hop on stage or sending a message in the chat box. I will try to get to you, but I do ask that everybody be respectful. Today's guest is Jamie mustard, co author of the book, The Invisible Machine, The startling truth about trauma and the scientific breakthrough that can transform your life. Jamie, thank you so much for joining me today. Jamie Mustard  00:17:55  Thank you for having me. I'm sorry. I've not used this platform before, so I'm just having technical difficulties. Lorilee Binstock  00:18:02  Oh, you are not the first one, and you will be the last So there's no worry there. I'm just glad we were able to get you on because I really am so fascinated by this because I've actually never heard about this. You co authored this book, the invisible machine, the startling truth about trauma, and the scientific breakthrough. Jamie Mustard  00:18:05  Perfect. I Lorilee Binstock  00:18:19  And this you did this with doctor Eugene Lipov. An anesthesiologists who developed this treatment. Could you actually describe it? Because you actually underwent this treatment. Correct? Jamie Mustard  00:18:30  I did. And one of the reasons, you know, a lot of people would ask kind of why would an artist coauthor look with, you know, Yuzhou Lab is more than a anesthesiologist. He's a you could say he's the Einstein of modern anesthesiology and a a scientist. So the question is, you know, why would write her all go author a book with that guy? And and the answer is kind of your your the way you kinda said at the top that you'd never heard of it. And the reason you've never heard of it is because it's been around for twenty years, and the military is using it. Yeah. And the military is used doing fifteen to twenty thousand of these a year. The second largest cohort getting it is sexual assault victims. Lorilee Binstock  00:19:04  Stop, really. Jamie Mustard  00:19:12  When I saw this, I saw something that, you know, whenever you see it on it's been on sixty minutes. It's been on Joe Rogan. It's been on CBS this morning. But when if you ever see it in the media, it's always at the extremes. It's always a navy seal, a fur a nine eleven first responder, when I came across this, I didn't see this as something for people at the extreme. I saw this as something that maybe could be affecting forty to fifty percent of the US and global population. So my work was to go, hey. This is not for the extreme. This is for society and everyone that is experiencing the symptoms that are associated with fight or flight that may never have even associated themselves with trauma. Lorilee Binstock  00:20:03  I mean, to be honest, I never associated myself with trauma. I'm a childhood sexual abuse survivor, and I didn't realize I experienced trauma. I thought that was just something really bad that happened that I will never talk about, but you're right. I feel like that this is very fascinating, and it's a non invasive outpatient procedure? Jamie Mustard  00:20:23  Okay. So, yeah, you asked me what it is. I wouldn't use the word noninvasive. I would use the word safe. Lorilee Binstock  00:20:27  Okay. Jamie Mustard  00:20:29  And minimally invasive. It's basically, he uses a needle to do what we well, we know it's safe because the shot was originally developed retaining hands in nineteen twenty six. It's now evolved. The doctor kind of reconfigured it and evolved it. So you it's now we call it he's evolved into what we're calling what he calls the dual sympathetic reset. And, basically, what you're doing is you're doing a pain injection that's guided that's guided by an ultrasound. You get a local anesthetic first, so you don't even it feels like nothing. And he uses an ultrasound to guide a needle that has a tiny you know, so a small amount of anesthetic in it, the same anesthetic that goes into an epidural, same two dollar amount of anesthetic that goes into an epidural. And your sympathetic nervous system is basically located in the ganglion, which is a nerves a a a a a a a a string of nerves that run from your amygdala all the way down your but your sympathetic your fight or flight system is in your neck on both sides of your neck. And what he does is he in inject this. God, I think it's I'm gonna get the name of it wrong. But yeah. But it's the same it's the same, you know, Lorilee Binstock  00:21:45  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:21:47  stuff that goes into an epidural. And what it does is it turns off your sympathetic nervous system, and it comes online about ten minutes later at baseline to the pre trauma state. So you're basically resetting the sympathetic nervous system. And what we're fine with what what they found is, you know, the adult trauma or blunt force trauma is on the right side. You can only do one side per day. K? You do two injections on one side, and then you can get the next injection the next day. Anything before puberty or childhood trauma is on the left side. And then yeah. So they'll always do the right side first, and then people that will have have had trial to hood trauma Lorilee Binstock  00:22:27  Well, Jamie Mustard  00:22:30  may not experience the reset. So they're starting more and more to to to both on almost everybody. Lorilee Binstock  00:22:40  Wow. You know, I I and, you know, I know about fight or flight, and I didn't know it was about a cluster of nerves in your neck. I'm wondering, is this why I have neck pain? Jamie Mustard  00:22:49  It might be I mean, you have to think of it like this. Well, first of all, Laura Lee, let me say thank you so much for having me. It's, you know, just a real honor to be here. Lorilee Binstock  00:22:57  Oh, of course. Jamie Mustard  00:23:00  You know, you there's two things that causes. One is blunt force trauma. Like, you and I are very Well, we're similar in this regard. I experienced an extreme massive amount of trauma as a kid probably that most people would never not be able to survive in any sort of meaningful way and live my entire life up until, I don't know, five years ago, seven years ago. Where I was in total denial that I'd even been traumatized. You know, in my in my upbringing, you know, growing up how I grew up is where I grew up in the neighborhood I grew up in. You know, being a victim was the last thing you could ever be. So I never Lorilee Binstock  00:23:30  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:23:39  the thought of thinking of myself as a victim was just not in my, you know, just in my in my thought profile. So I just didn't think I had trauma. I got therapy for the first time five or six years ago with your counseling. After about six weeks. This very lovely. I talked about this in the book. Therapists diagnosed me with, you know, acute post traumatic stress disorder. And it's not a disorder. It's actually a physical injury to the body, and you can see it on a brain scan. But she diagnosed me with PTSD. I laughed in her face, because I thought it was such a ridiculous thing. She her eyes walled up, and she looked at me And she said, Jamie, have you been listening to the stories you've been telling me? And I said, yes. And she said, how could you not? And in that moment, my whole kind of bullshit life narrative fell apart, and I kinda went home and hugged the cactus. I I started, you know, realizing not only you know, I I not only has I had I've been victimized. I had been you know, just completely savaged and ravaged as a child, you know, abandoned you know, at birth with strangers, you know, very little physical touch in and out of institutional environments. You know, all this stuff It was, you know, just severe, egregious trauma, and I was just like, wow. You know, that's normal. That's what I knew. Lorilee Binstock  00:25:11  Well, Jamie Mustard  00:25:15  Yeah. So so about five or six years ago, when my my first book came out, maybe it's less, maybe it's, you know, or maybe it was before that. I was starting to get to kinda where I wanted in life, and I for the first time ever was looking back. You know, I didn't wanna look back. But when I was getting what I wanted, my discomfort as a person wasn't going away. In my mind, I thought, god. If I'm just successful, I'll feel relaxed. And I was getting successful and feeling very unrelaxed, but actually more dis more uncomfortable than I'd ever felt, and I couldn't understand why. So I started when I got this post traumatic stress diagnosis, I started looking. I was friends I turned a literary juke with a a really well known military psychologist, Shawna Springer, Doc Springer, and she had started She was sending people for this procedure, and I ended up in the middle of COVID to have years ago, getting on a plane in the middle of COVID and going to Chicago in the winter to do this kind of what I thought was a very avant garde procedure. And it was very strange that I did that literally because when you grew up, like, raised by wolves or kinda thrown away like I was, you don't go to the doctor. So you don't go to regular doctors. Let alone go and do kind of new treatments. Lorilee Binstock  00:26:41  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:26:45  But I I when my first book came out, I had a very well known forensic psychologist named doctor j Faber, who works at Amen Clinic. He was a fan of my book, and he and I become friends. And so I just said as a friend, can you bet this thing for me? And it was all upside and no downside. And so I almost backed out fifty times, but I did it. Lorilee Binstock  00:27:11  Can you tell me what that was like? Jamie Mustard  00:27:13  Oh my gosh. Yes. It was the most transformative thing that I've ever done in my life, it completely changed my worldview. And that is because it was like, I had a lot of judgment towards people, you know, towards people where I grew up the bad neighborhoods where I grew up towards addicts. Towards people that were, you know, couldn't get their life together. I had judgment. K? When I had when I got both sides of this thing done, the discomfort that I'd been experiencing my entire life that I thought was a part of me I won't you know, was gone. It was just like I was me. I didn't feel I didn't even know I couldn't feel that way. I didn't even know because, like, when you're abandoned at birth, what's your I I never even experience baseline. Okay? Lorilee Binstock  00:28:04  Well, mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:28:07  So it I'm ever walking this is a good way to describe it. I was walking down the street after getting it in Chicago. I went to the Chicago Art Museum. I was there with friend who is supporting me. And I saw these, like, hustler guys on the street, and they were like and they were looking at me. And I kind of you know, that's something that's triggering for me. I really resent that because it kinda reminds me of my neighborhood, and these guys were looking at me like a mark. And, normally, that would make me mad. When I saw these guys, all of a sudden, I didn't see crazy people. I didn't see hustlers. I saw their biology. These guys are stuck in fight or flight. And I can explain to you what happens, but, you know, you don't need blunt force trauma. Like, what you and I went through to need this. The I think the biggest cause of this and why I think it's such a massive swath of the population, and why I think most people that have post traumatic stress. Don't even associate with trauma. You can get is that what one, two things cause this. One is blunt force trauma like what would happen in war seeing your buddy killed in front of you Lorilee Binstock  00:29:10  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:29:11  or a sexual assault. But the other thing that causes this, and I think it's the much more predominant cause is prolonged allostatic load, chronic stress over time. Okay? And so Lorilee Binstock  00:29:28  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:29:29  just so by by feeling that sense of comfort, my own body, and sense of relief. My it changed the way just I interact with people now when I see somebody reacting in fight or flight towards me rather than taking it personally or thinking they're crazy. I understand the biology of it, so it just I just I I have only compassion. Lorilee Binstock  00:29:54  That's amazing. That's amazing. And I and I feel that You're right. I feel like I don't know, like, probably ninety, even more than that percent of the population has dealt with chronic stress, especially in America. And I feel like, you know, everyone can benefit from from, you know, a a treatment like this. I feel like that there's every a lot of people everyone I know deals with a lot of stress and a lot of anxiety. And for something like this to be available and to you say twenty years. I'm like, what? I just heard about this, like, last month. And so I'm intrigued. Does this treatment need to be accompanied by ongoing therapy or or or what? What would you suggest? Jamie Mustard  00:30:43  It it it's a it's a great question, and and I'd like to answer it, and then I'd like to kinda back up and explain very specifically how one could get this and how a lot of your listeners right now are are going, well, do I have trauma and I know it? And how would you know it? And but something he's saying is resonating to me. So look with me. So I wish I could understand this more. So let me kind of explain the kind of how it works with other therapies. And then let me kind of back it up and explain why and how I came to write a book with who I think made the most preminent most important medical discovery since the discovery of Penicillin in nineteen twenty eight. And I would compare it as a human discovery to the moon landing. If we can reset the nervous system, it changes the world. And so I think this guy will go on to win the Nobel Prize because even if you compare it to the polio vaccine, you know, suicide is linked to fight or flight. If you, you know, fifty thousand people a year stopped dying because when they when the polio vaccine was discovered, I think, in the forties, That the amount of suicides this could could prevent in a year dwarfs that number compared to all the other ailments and physical conditions because this conduct if you have an a a novactive sympathetic nervous system, if your nervous system is stuck in fight or flight, you're gonna have a cascade of physiological problems. It discombobulates the immune system. It destroys this scavenger system in the body, Lorilee Binstock  00:32:13  Right. Jamie Mustard  00:32:15  which is the system that is constantly, you know, keeping you from having autoimmune diseases, orthopedic problems, cancer, that system can get discombobulated. Right? So, you know, if the body keeps the score, that I would say this is the scorekeeper. But I think maybe backing it up and and and and kind of coming to how did I come to write an artist and and our come to write a book with a a a scientist. Right? But so, basically, I went and did this thing. My life was changed. And a couple months later, I got invited by two colonels that run all the training for special forces. To speak to come to Fort Bragg and speak to special forces at JFK auditorium regarding my book, The Iconist, okay, which is kind of like a Malcolm Gladwell type book to business communications and art book. And it was kind of crazy. You know, I'm a kid from the strums slums of LA, and all of a sudden, I was going to Fort Bragg and teaching site, you know, psychological operations how to create better counter propaganda against the Russians and the Chinese. You know, I mean, it's crazy. That I would be in that situation. So I got invited to Fort Bragg. When I got this procedure, the doctor came into the wait into the to the host op room. And he said, hey. And I wish I'd get it from the inventor, doctor Eugene La Bauch, my co author. And he said, hey. I was told to treat you like a VIP. Why? And I said, well, I'm an author, and we have a mutual friend. So our mutual friend, you know, I have a bit of a platform, you know, probably wanted to make sure I was taken care of. And then he left again, and then he came back. And he said, listen. This procedure is gonna this I mean, I get what what are you this the try this anesthesia, this thing that you just got in your neck, it's gonna wear off in about seven or eight hours. Can I pick you up at the hotel and take you to dinner? And we we talk about this in the book. And I said, Sure. You know, why not? And so he picks me up from the hotel. We go to this Mexican restaurant, this fancy Mexican restaurant with the windows open. It's raining. In the middle of COVID. The wind is blowing through, and he starts pouring glasses of expensive red wine. And download and gives me a three hour download of the science and history of this thing. And my mind and my my just mouth my jaw fell up. And I remember turning to my friend who was at the dinner with us. He kinda sped off in his Tesla. We Ubered home, And I turned to my friend and I said, we just had dinner with the smartest human being I've ever met. And, you know, I've met a lot I mean, I went to the one in school then economics. I know a lot of smart people. Right? Lorilee Binstock  00:35:04  Wow. Jamie Mustard  00:35:07  So so he and I so then a few I get back to Portland a few days go by, and I get a call from this guy, and he says, hey. I just read your book. And we just started talking, and we became friends. Right after that, I got invited to Fort Bragg. And I and the doctor couldn't believe that I was being invited to Fort Bragg by these colonel. So he said, hey. Can I come sit in the audience for your talk? I know they're doing my procedure at Fort Bragg, but they won't talk to me. I don't know how. So basically, I talked to these colonel. They had never heard of this thing, the DSR at that time. It was called the FGB, the slight gainly a block. But they started researching it. They called me back, and they said, yeah. We're doing ten of these a day, six days a week. They're they were doing three thousand a year Fort Greg alone. Lorilee Binstock  00:35:57  And was this on active military? Jamie Mustard  00:36:01  Yes. Lorilee Binstock  00:36:03  Interesting. So Jamie Mustard  00:36:04  So Lorilee Binstock  00:36:05  go ahead. Jamie Mustard  00:36:05  yeah. No. So the VA was probably doing more. But the lot what really, what happened is there was a post traumatic stress, meaning where I got really upset because I had to sit in you know, the colonel's arranged ten days of meetings. Even though it was six weeks away, it normally takes seven months to a year to get grand rounds at Wilmac. Doctor Lipa, the Dunground rounds at Walter Reed, the colonels arranged for the doctor to come with me and do Grand Rounds for all the doctors at Womack because they were doing the procedure at Fort Bragg based off of the ten year old paper. So it was to bring them into all the modifications because ten years ago, this thing was seventy percent effective in the relief post traumatic stress. Now it's up to eighty and five to ninety percent. So because of latest modifications. So he did ground rounds. And in one of the post traumatic stress meetings, I sat around for two hours and listened to these guys and come back from Iraq and Afghanistan and special forces guys. And their stories, and they were all told that they had a disorder, and it made me really angry because at that point, I knew one hundred percent that they had a physical injury to their body and that post traumatic stress disorder does not exist. It's post traumatic stress injury, is it physical injury to the body? You can see it on a brain scan. So at the end of that meeting, I expressed my rage at the fact that these guys are sacrificing their bodies, their families, their wives, their children. They don't come back the same. And then they're being then their government is telling them they're crazy. It may be mad. And I said that. And so I think the guy that runs the health initiative task force, I think he was kind of you know, he kinda saw me as this Arty Rider guy. He didn't know what to make of me. But when I expressed my truth. I think he kinda started to respect me, and he called me over at the end of the meeting. And he said, Jamie, have you ever heard of operator syndrome? And I said, no. And he showed of these symptoms on his phone. It was about eight symptoms. And the the symptoms that you would experience if you were running from a tiger Okay? And I and and that this is what happens if you're never in a fight or fight at Fort Black bragging. Or to say, you're never in a fire fight in Afghanistan or Iraq, but you just you're deployed at a firebase, and you have the stress of being away from your family, and maybe you could die that day from an IED or from something else. Right? So it's this prolonged allostatic load, but you're never in a fight. They call that operator syndrome. Okay? And when I saw that list of symptoms, Laura Lee, I didn't see the military. I saw the Mexican neighborhoods where I grew up in Los Angeles. And so my mind started spinning. Could it be that the stress of poverty or if you're middle class and the stress of having distant parents, a mother that needles you, a mean father, could it be that the chronic stress of that, a divorce could cause the exact same biological injury as someone coming back from war. Because the sympathetic nervous system is a machine, an invisible machine, hence the name of the book, the invisible machine. Could it be that that it doesn't think it's apathetic. So could it be that average people have the exact same symptoms in their body as someone coming back from war, but they don't know it because they just got it from having, you know, parents that didn't hug them. Or talk to them a certain way. And that and that's where my mind met doctor Lipov's staggering innovation. Lorilee Binstock  00:39:28  Yeah. I mean, that affects the majority of people. Right? These are these they they are considered, I guess, little tee traumas, but the react the reaction and the activation within the you know, the amygdala, it's all the same. Right? Jamie Mustard  00:39:46  Yeah. I mean, let me kinda tell you kind of how let me kind of give a primitive way of how one gets this. Lorilee Binstock  00:39:51  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:39:51  And then go and why don't I go over the seven symptoms? That way, the people listening can go, well, I don't have trauma. Then they can listen to me, list it, and they go, maybe I do. Right? Lorilee Binstock  00:40:01  Please. Please. Jamie Mustard  00:40:01  So yeah. So listen. I people, like, at the extreme, were seeking this out and finding it. But people like me were not and and, again, I wasn't the extreme. I just didn't know it. And I you know, my goal was to bring this to military My goal is to bring this into the light, and I think it should be more popular or known than LASIK. It contains the way we we interact. As a species. But, basically, you have to think of it as if you were running from a tiger. You know, you live in a jungle, you know, a bounce years ago, you're and you're and you're a tiger comes out of nowhere. Well, in the moment, It's Peter Levine's work. That guy, he wrote a book, I think, in the yeah. In the was it in the eighties or nineties cold run? Yeah. Lorilee Binstock  00:40:43  Yeah. Awaken. Awaken the tiger. Jamie Mustard  00:40:48  Yeah. Running from the tiger. Yeah. Yeah. Lorilee Binstock  00:40:48  An unspoken voice. Yeah. It's a yeah. Awaken the Tiger. Yes. I've read I've read the unspoken voice of Peter Levine. I'm fascinated with somatic experiencing. But, yes, continue. Jamie Mustard  00:40:55  Okay. Okay. So, say, a tiger comes out of nowhere. You live in the jungle a thousand years ago. Well, what is gonna happen in that moment? Is you're gonna have seven or eight symptoms. K? You're gonna have seven or eight feelings. Your amygdala is gonna send a signal to these nerves on each side of your neck, and that's gonna jerk you into response. So you are walking on you're hiking up a mountain, and there's a cliff, and you almost slip and fall down it. Your amygdala sends a signal you signal to these are you on the swerve your car and hit somebody, but just you avert the accident just in time because your amygdala sends a signal to these nerves in your neck that jerk you in action to either flee or fight for your life. K? Fireflies. Lorilee Binstock  00:41:40  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:41:40  Well, typically, if that happens and it's something like swerving your car, you're heightened for five maybe three to five hours because you felt like you almost died. And then for for, you know, four or five hours later, you'll come back down to baseline. Right? But if the trauma is too great, like your buddy being killed in front of you, or you or then or a sexual assault, and you have this overwhelming trauma. The your your sympathetic nervous system actually gets locked into fire flight. So you're locked into feeling like you're running from a tiger twenty four hours a day, three hundred and sixty five days a year, seven days a week. K? So what would you experience if a tiger or leap out of you? You would experience anxiety. You'd be anxious that the tiger was gonna kill you. You'd have mild paranoia that the tiger was right there at that that moment. You would have a sense of doom. You'd feel like the other shoe is gonna drop every second because you knew the tiger was right there. You would be hyper vigilant about the tiger. You would be hyper aroused about the tiger. You wouldn't be able to sleep because you can't sleep if a tiger is chasing you. You would be highly reactive and have a hair trigger because you would need to be reactive to survive the tiger. Lorilee Binstock  00:42:49  Right. Jamie Mustard  00:42:55  K? And these guys that come back from Afghanistan and Iraq, a massive majority of them, something like twenty five percent of them all have erectile dysfunction because you can't have sex if you're running from a tiger. In the military, the ultimate form of fight, and the ultimate form of flight in the military, suicide, is the ultimate form of flight where people are changing to protect. It's the ultimate form of flight. In the neighborhoods where I grew up where maybe violence is acceptable, or life is cheaper, homicide is the ultimate form of fight. So I believe when you see these violence rates in the community that I live in, and you see these suicide rates in the military, it is one hundred percent an overactive sympathetic nervous system. So when you experience those symptoms, you can get that say the tiger never eats you. You're just in a jungle where there's lots of tigers. So you're you're carrying the stress of the type of tigers all the time. K? It it would be a it would be a survival mechanism. It would be a survival tool to be locked in firefly. It actually would help you to survive. K? The problem is if you're sitting at home watching Netflix, you know, eating Cheetos, and drinking, you know, a LaCroix, and you're feeling that way, it creates a really, really big problem. And and think about it also like this. We're meant to experience those symptoms, anxiety, paranoia, sense of doom or mild paranoid, hyper vigilant, hyper aroused, a lack of sleep, hair trigger reactivity. We're meant to experience that for about thirty seconds where we either flee from the tiger or we fight the tiger. K? And then we're supposed to calm down and be normal as humans. K? Those are supposed to be short bursts. Lorilee Binstock  00:44:43  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:44:46  Of fight or flight. If you have to experience like a tiger is gonna eat you in every second, twenty all the time. Which is what happens when your sympathetic gets stuck in fight or flight. You're gonna you're not gonna wanna live. You're gonna wanna kill yourself. We're not designed to wanna live like a tiger is gonna eat us every second. You're gonna either wanna kill yourself or you're gonna wanna kill somebody. Right? So there was a guy named Frank Oport who defined Lorilee Binstock  00:45:13  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:45:16  Stockholm syndrome, for the in the nineteen seventies for the FBI, and he's a very famous psychiatrist. And and in two thousand twelve, He's been working since two thousand twelve. He's been working very hard with others to try and get the name changed from post traumatic stress disorder. To post traumatic stress, injury, PTSD. So can I keep going? I don't you know, I don't be able to Okay. So okay. Okay. No. So so Lorilee Binstock  00:45:44  Of course. Yes. Keep going. No. This is fascinating. Jamie Mustard  00:45:49  so let's back it up. So let so everyone's different. Like, the You can, to a child, a father that is distant, a mother that needles you, that allastatic load for a child is staggering. And that person would not associate themselves with trauma. So I'm trying to get this away from just the extremes. I want those people to get it, but I'm trying to bring this to it. Kindergarten teachers, yoga instructors, plumbers, CEOs, accountants, attorneys. I'm trying to bring this to the every person. Right? But, you know, I think a really good way to explain this is Back at nineteen seventy, doctor Frank Ochberg, this guy that came up with a term post traumatic stress injury, And, again, you can see this on a brain scan, Laura Lee. So if I if someone has an overactive sympathetic nervous system and I scan their brain with a functional MRI, I will see overactivity in their amygdala, and I will see decreased blood flow to their frontal cortex. Normally to g to fix to kind of mitigate against that, and then we're gonna get after I explain this, we'll get to how it relates to other therapies. Normally, to mitigate against that, I might need six months of hyperbaric, no drugs and alcohol, Cademy, so as you know, I could do a million things, and I would only mitigate against that so much. To and I could get some decrease in that overactivity in the amygdala from all those therapies for years. And maybe I would get some increased blood flow to my frontal cortex. If you do this injection where you just reset the nervous system with no side effects no long term side effects. There's a side effect that day. They get you get it. And then the second day, you get it. And then by the evening of both days, it's gone. If you get the reset, you you're just a person again, and you're not having to use all these things to it's like physical therapy in a broken leg. You wouldn't do physical therapy over a broken leg. You'd set the leg, then you'd do physical therapy. So all these incredible therapies work but we're doing them over a broken leg. Lorilee Binstock  00:48:03  Right. Jamie Mustard  00:48:08  And so what you would see on a brain scan after doing a DSR dual sympathetic reset is that overactivity in the amygdala would be gone in a day. It'd be completely gone, and you have increased blood flow to the your frontal cortex in a way that that years of all those other modalities combined would never achieve. Because you're doing physical therapy over a broken leg. It also when you when you call it a disorder, it's incredibly stigmatizing, and you could even say inhumane if it's a lie, which it is because it's actually a physical injury of the body. So it's like, if you we don't have broken leg syndrome or broken leg disorder. When you call something a mental disorder that's actually a physical injury, it's very harmful. Incredibly stigmatizing. But if you call it a physical injury, you take all the stigma away. No one has a stigma for over you having a broken leg because you can see it. Lorilee Binstock  00:48:59  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:49:08  You can't see an overactive sympathetic, but it's just as broken as a broken leg. It's the best metaphor to describe it. And that's why we call the book the Invisible Machine, the StarLink truth about Trauma, and the scientific breakthrough that can transform your life. But what I'd like to do, Lorely, and then I'll kind of back up and answer your question next question. I think I think this is the best way for people to understand and and and unequivocally that what I'm saying is true. Like, I can hear people listening right now going, is that true? Is that true? Come on. How can it be a physical injury? I'm gonna say, well, here's how it's a physical injury. When I explain this, no one no one will question it anymore. K? Because I'll give you an an analogy that everyone can understand. Back in nineteen seventy, doctor Frank Ochberg published a book with a one through Stanford, scientists, the guy that came up with PTSD in two thousand twelve back in nineteen excuse me. He published a book called violence and the struggle for existence. That book was put out by Little Brown, It was the the the forward to that book was written by Caretta Scott King, the wife of doctor Martin Luther King because it was two years after his assassination. Violence in the struggle for existence. In that book, there is a chapter called biology and aggression. And and what what what these scientists explain is we one hundred percent know that trauma is biological. And the reason we know it, we don't know how, but the reason we know it is because if you beat or abuse a dog, a goat, a chicken, a cat, it's behavior changes. Either becomes highly aggressive, fight, or incredibly timid, flight. Well, we didn't just give that goat or that dog a disorder. It's not sentient in the same way a human being is. So doctors, we knew we've known for a long, long time that when we traumatize something, we've changed the biology. We just didn't know how until doctor Lipac first published on this in two thousand, I think, two thousand eight. Barack Obama endorsed this as far back as two thousand ten. So it's it's been out there. It's just always associated with the extreme. You know? So when pop when doctor Lipa published on this in two thousand eight, Frank Ochberg found him. Now they're close friends. So, obviously, we've all can relate to an animal that we know has been traumatized. We didn't give it a disorder. We know we've changed this biology. Doctor Lipov figured out how and then how to reset anybody to the pre trauma state. Lorilee Binstock  00:52:04  Wow. Well, I've this is this is extremely fascinating because, you know, I I am a huge fan. I don't know if you've listened to any of my podcasts prior, but I'm a huge advocate for psychedelic assisted therapy. But I I'm would you say that doing something like the DSR And then, I mean, do you if for it to go haywire again, you would just have to experience traffic and or or you're completely reset. Jamie Mustard  00:52:33  No. If you go traumatize yourself again, you're one hundred percent going to have to do this. You know? So a couple things I would, you know, say is one thing is, you know, what one of the things that got me started on this journey. Is that is a conversation that I had with Daniel Amon? Do you know who he is? Lorilee Binstock  00:52:53  Yes. I do. Yes. Very fascinating stuff. Jamie Mustard  00:52:54  Okay. Yeah. The ring that came to meet Daniel Amon is that forensic psychiatrist, doctor j Faber, who got me really started on this journey. I mean, I would not If I don't meet Kaye Faber, who runs the Encino Amon Clinic, who's probably the most bona fide forensic psychiatrist in the United States, maybe the world in terms of education, degrees, and board certifications. He was a fan of the book, The Economist. He contacted me on the website and said, can you come to LA and speak to inner city kids, and I'll pay you through my my foundation? And I said, well, hey, man. I'll I'll come to LA, and I'll talk to kids. But I don't think I could take money for going to my hometown and talking to kids. But but I'll come out and do it, but I I just wanna take your money. And but public speaking is a way that I make money, but just I wouldn't do it that way. Yeah. I wouldn't do I I told my agent that I couldn't charge for that. You know? And Lorilee Binstock  00:53:47  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:53:47  but this guy, he reads he and I become friends. So he's the one that vetted the at the time it was SGB, now it's DCR DSR for me. And, basically, I asked him about this because I was really wanting to feel better because I was successful And now I didn't have a reason for discomfort because I thought, well, if I just achieved my goals, I'll I'll feel good. And then I had all my goals achieved, and I was feeling worse than ever, and that was causing me to be very concerned. And what you know, and the precursor to that is you know, growing up in poverty, people you know, I was semi literate into my late teens. And I went from because through the a relative gave me an opportunity, to not be in poverty and to just focus on my studies for the first time in my life and to have eyeglasses and medical care when I was nineteen. And I went from doing remedial classes at a community college to graduating from the London School of Economics in just over five years. Lorilee Binstock  00:54:46  No. Jamie Mustard  00:54:47  And people say, how did you do that? Why did you do that? And the thing was I was desperate. I had lived in poverty and ignorance. And in my mind, I thought if I have affluence, which an education, that means I won't have pain. So if if if if if poverty and ignorance meant pain, affluence and education would mean no pain. So it drove me to this extraordinary overcoming of my life. And I remember arriving to the one in school of economics at twenty one or twenty years old, you know, twenty one years old Man. And thinking, finally, I would be I was away from pain, and I was around, you know, the some of the most smartest people in the world And when I got there, they had they were just as messed up and maybe had more problems than the people in the neighborhoods where I grew up. And so my whole premise fell apart, Laura Lee, because I thought, well, at least we had a reason to have these problems. We're dealing with, you know, reality every day in terms of aspects of survival. These guys are just have out everything that you can imagine, but they have the same anomalies and problems. And and so I was kind of disheartened and deflated because it didn't solve my problems. I didn't understand why everyone experiences this these aspects of existence until I went through this procedure twenty years later, twenty five years later. Okay? But So, you know, one thing that kind of got me on on this project also was three and a half years ago, doctor Lipbob teamed up with a private equity firm Sterling Partners and and Chicago. They are a multimillion dollar private equity firm to open up clinics all over the United States, which is called the Stella Center. And one thing I would say is the only place that has doctor Lipob's, what I would call, the Stella protocols. Doctor Lipob is the chief medical officer there. Is the Stella center. There's thirty five of them in the United States. If you don't go to a Stella center, you're not getting this. Okay? But without them, I would have never chosen to do a book because why promote a book to the world if it's not available to everyone? Right? But back to this conversation. Lorilee Binstock  00:57:03  That's what I was gonna ask. Jamie Mustard  00:57:05  Yeah. But let me tell you about this conversation with Daniel Amon, and then I'll shut up and open and let your your questions. So so doctor one day, doctor Faber said to me, we and I become friends. He'd written a book called Escape, rehabilitate your brain and stay on the legal system that kind of really where he where they were able to rehabilitate people's brains that had been through addicts, and I was really impressed by the data science in that book. And so one day, he starts insisting that Daniel, Eamon and I have to have a phone call. Right? So So he he forces Daniel Amon and I onto a Zoom call. I was excited about it because I get to meet, you know, the great Daniel Amon. I think Daniel Lima did not wanna be there. Lorilee Binstock  00:57:47  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  00:57:48  He was like, what am I doing on a call with this guy? And so what I did for the first four it was about an hour and a half call. What I did the first forty five minutes of that call was just asked Daniel questions. Why this? Why that? You know, just was curious. And I think after about forty five minutes later, And, you know, he said, how can I help you? Jamie, what do you want for me? And I said, listen. You're the one that's been leading the charge for the last thirty years saying, that mental issues or brain health issues, that they're biological. He knew nothing about the this aspect of the sympathetic nervous system, the SDB. I wouldn't say nothing, but it was not something he'd been investigating. He was mostly dealing with brain toxicity and TBI. Lorilee Binstock  00:58:30  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:58:31  And I said, listen. You're the one that's been leading this charge. So if I'm right and this is an a major part of the mechanism, a, then you just you need to be a part of it. You know, you're the one that you're the first person through the gate taking all the hits. Saying this stuff is biological. This is a major part of the equation. You I think that it makes total sense that you're a part of this. And so he this is forty five minutes in. I can kinda see him relax, and he says, hold on. And he starts googling right in front of me thoroughly. And I I we're I'm staring at him through the Zoom, and his kinda mouth comes, falls open, and he goes, and I said, what? And he said, hey. There is a very credible study here that says that this is seventy percent effective in the permanent relief of most ex post traumatic stress symptoms. And I said, whoa. Whoa. Whoa, Daniel? And then and he said, And I said, well, Daniel, that's an old study with the it's gotta be a ten year old paper with the recent modifications of the dual injection in the right and left side. It's at eighty five to ninety percent. Lorilee Binstock  00:59:34  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  00:59:42  And Daniel Lehman looks at me through the Zoom and says, Jamie, you don't understand. At seventy percent, this is no surprise winning work. I'll help you. Lorilee Binstock  00:59:56  Wow. Jamie Mustard  00:59:57  Yeah. And then he's been a massive partner for me. You know, I sent my first awarded people that I sent to Chicago because they were doing it wrong at Womac, was I a private jet company donated a plane to send thirteen of my special forces operators, to Fort Bragg, or no, to to Chicago. I scan their brains and name in clinic in Chicago, do this procedure on them over two days, scan their brains again less than forty eight hours later, and Amy. So Amy's been a massive supporter partner for me. I could not have done this book without him. Lorilee Binstock  01:00:29  Wow. Amazing. Amazing. So Is this procedure covered by insurance by any chance? Jamie Mustard  01:00:37  It isn't, but it's actually a not a very expensive procedure compared to the cost of talk therapy, the cost of all the other things that you could be doing out there. Compared to hyperbaric. You can there's a it's typically I think it's probably in the two to three thousand dollar range. But you don't have but it but then but the amount of gain or I don't know if I wanna use that word, but the amount of Lorilee Binstock  01:01:00  Benefit. Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  01:01:01  benefit, change, relief, comfort is kind of hard to It's it's it's too unbelievable. You know, it's it's it's it's I mean, it's it's it's like it's you just I was nervous to do it, Lolly, because I'm an artist, and I thought if my angst goes away, will I be able to create? Lorilee Binstock  01:01:23  Oh, yes. That's a very yeah. That's a very legitimate concern as an artist. Jamie Mustard  01:01:27  Yeah. But the yeah. But the thing is, like you know, think about it like but here's what actually happened. That was my concern. But here's what happened. If you're stuck in fight or flight and you think there's a tiger every second of the day, you're not gonna be able to experience emotion. You're not gonna cry during a movie, or have lovely moments with people. If you feel like a tiger is about to eat you all the time, you're concerned with a tiger. These mere nerves in your neck are lying to your brain. So when that when that went away and I was no longer in fire flight, I was ex my joy My ability to experience emotion was just freed, and it made me a far better artist. Lorilee Binstock  01:02:05  Wow. Well, I you know, I'm just I am bothered by the fact that there's so many effective treatments I feel like that are out there. And this being a Jamie Mustard  01:02:06  Yep. Lorilee Binstock  01:02:15  a huge one that insurance doesn't cover, but they'll they cover talk therapy for twenty, thirty years. Makes you wonder. But, yes, this is is this something that anyone's, like, lobbying for for for insurance to say, hey. This is mental health is a huge problem, you know, in our country and worldwide. You know, this is something that that should be covered for for the majority of people who probably need it the most are probably the ones that who wouldn't be able to spend you know, two thousand, three thousand dollars on it. You know, this this is this is this is my concern with psychedelic work or I mean, I'm ketamine is not my my one of the things that I advocate for, but, I mean, you know, the other stuff is illegal. But once it does become legal, you know, the insurance is is probably not going to cover it, especially immediately, and they're not even covering ketamine, which is legal. So is this something that, you know, somebody is is mhmm. Jamie Mustard  01:03:14  Oh, okay. It's a great question. It's a great question. And I will say that I'm a massive fan of ketamine. Okay? And the reason I'm a fan of ketamine is because of how it works. What you know, I'm not a fan of the disassociate associative state. I don't think that's how it works. A lot of people would disagree with me. Ketamine, the way that doctor Lip Bob, if you were here, would describe it, is like fertilizer for nerve growth in the brain. Lorilee Binstock  01:03:41  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  01:03:41  So a lot of people that have that are having mental issues You know, when I was on that call with Daniel, I kept using the term mental illness or something. He looked at me really sour one time, and he said, please. Don't use that term. Please stop. And I said, why? What's wrong with it? He goes, well, it's not true. It's not no one has that. I said, well, it's stigmatizing, and it's inhumane, and it's not true. And I said, well, we what what do you use? And he said brain health issues. Let's just call it brain health issues. Lorilee Binstock  01:04:15  That's legit. Yeah. Jamie Mustard  01:04:16  Yeah. So so, you know, Nathaniel's been scanning brains since nineteen eighty nine. His whole thing was when he started and he was a considered, you know, an out outsider for a long time and had a opposed, you know, even a quack. As the brain science has come in the last ten years, he's been hailed as a genius and hero. Okay? And but, basically, his view was, you know, if your arm hurts and I'm gonna get to the insurance, thing. I just wanna give this kind of entry to it. If your arm hurts or your leg hurts, you x-ray it. Somebody acts crazy, and you know one's looking at people's brains when they act crazy, he thought that made no sense. And that's why in nineteen eighty nine, over thirty years ago, he started scanning brains. In the last thirty years, it's made him the most famous psychiatrist in America that probably drugs people the least. His thing on drugs on on on psychotropics is when you use a psychotropic, which can be effective to give somebody relief, you're creating a problem to solve a problem. The psychotropic changes your brain so that you need it. So now you have two problems. That he thinks you know, so But so he's got a massive dataset of what of what of two almost two hundred thousand brain scans. So one of the things that we know is we know that alcohol ravages the brain in terms of blood flow and other toxicities. With Lorilee Binstock  01:05:38  Right. Jamie Mustard  01:05:40  THC is even worse. So we freed up marijuana. It's legal in the state of Oregon where I live, but it actually ravages the brain and creates all sorts of mental problems in terms of this the anxiety, and and then you need it just to feel normal, and you're destroying your brain. Okay? So all I'm interested in is the data science. But back to this insurance question, right now, this NYU study is being done. The army's been studying for years. So there's lots of incredible studies. There's one sixty minutes. There was a sixty minutes episode five, ten years ago that talked about the army study. But the right now, the the the there's a a study being done in FMRI or an FMRI study being done in NYU that makes this unequivocally undeniable. So I don't think we're far away from the insurance companies approving this. Also, the the doctor is connected to a nonprofit charity. Called Race PTSD now, and they're paying for treatment for a phenomenal amount of people. So you can apply to to that. But what I would say is, you know, get the invisible machine book, understand that a huge part of the book is explaining how this relates to all the other incredible therapeutics out there. I believe psilocybin works. We don't have a lot of data on the long term effects of it. But with with the DSR, there's no down there I don't wanna say there's no real downside. You get all of the gain. You get it instantly. And you don't have to worry about you know, I've had people tell me they do psilocybin and they have a really bad experience on what psychological or same thing with ketamine, which I'm a fan of. So this is all the upside with none of the downside, and you yeah, I had a doctor one time, a military doctor that was telling me that, you know, that there you know, this wasn't the only treatment, and I was overselling it and blah blah blah blah blah blah. And at Fort Bragg, and I and I said to her, okay. Let me ask you a question. Say somebody was in real trouble, and they weren't feeling well. And they can and then you have every modality at what your disposal to give them. What should they do first? And she said, well, they should do the DSR first because then we that they would get so far in so little time with no downside, that it would it makes everything else more effective. So what we're finding is that people that reset the It's the difference between physical therapy and a broken leg, Laura Lee. You physical therapy is gonna be far more effective if you reset the leg. You wouldn't do physical therapy over a broken mic. So you're gonna find that if you do psilocybin, where you do hyperbaric, where you do talk therapy, These things go exponentially faster and better and have more far more efficacy if you do a d s DSR first. The my most there's a again, all of this is parsed apart in the book, the Invisalign. The Temple of that book is a guy named Trevor Beenan, who is a guy that I was afraid of for about a year, who's now one of my best friends, and I was afraid of him. I was afraid of him because I interviewed him at Fort Bragg. He is a guy that was molested by a stepfather for eight years from eight to sixteen. The guy went to jail. He shot up medical heroin in Afghanistan. He killed people. He's seen people killed. And for thirty years, he was homicidal towards a stepfather in suicidal. The only thing keeping him alive was his wife and his children. This guy just hit just wanted to die. And so when I met him, I interviewed him for three hours of Fort Bragg, was the hardest interview I ever did. He started calling me wanting to talk, and I did not want that. I didn't want he wanted to send me stuff. I didn't want him having my address. I was terrified of this guy when I got back to Portland after that trip before Greg. The you the military does not want special forces doesn't want crazy special operators out there. So there's they get more resources than regular army. They they had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, you know, trying to giving Trevor, everything you could possibly reimagine, e m d r, every therapy, the the greenberry foundation, the military would pay for him to get better. Nothing worked. He was suicidal and homicidal towards his stepfather. After that interview, it took me six months to get her to Chicago, That was eighteen months ago, Trevor's just gone back to being a person. And Lorilee Binstock  01:10:15  No. Wow. Jamie Mustard  01:10:17  and the and, you know, and and what's and and, you know, you you would never know there's anything wrong with him. He looks like a guy that would be playing he he looks like an actor that would play a special forces hero in a movie. He's just a good looking white guy. You know? But he was beating him the Latin kings at eleven Lorilee Binstock  01:10:33  Yeah. Jamie Mustard  01:10:35  and grew up in poverty outside of Chicago, but you would never know it from looking at him. And so that so three months ago, he's doing ten in Portland, He came to addition for Ted in Portland a few months ago, and this guy that I didn't wanna even know before he did the DSR stayed in my house. Lorilee Binstock  01:10:55  Well, wow. Jamie Mustard  01:10:55  Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So so the so that's how I I the the way I explained in terms of other therapies is set the leg, and then all these other amazing modalities out there will be so much more effective. Lorilee Binstock  01:11:10  You really have me. I'm like, after this conversation, I'm going to be googling where this is this treatment is available because I am extremely intrigued because Yes. I've done, you know, the psilocybin, the MDMA, and it has worked wonders for me. I was able to get off of all my SSM our eyes. And but there, you know, there are moments when I I I feel like my nervous system just gets goes haywire, you know, after like, four or five months after I've done it. So I'm wondering, like, am I I should I try this DSR treatment? And then continue along my IFS therapy and, you know, whatever else that that, you know, I'm doing now. And, yeah, I'm I'm extremely intrigued. Where can we find more information about where this is available? Jamie Mustard  01:12:02  Okay. Well well, can can I comment on what you just said about yourself? And then I'll tell you. Lorilee Binstock  01:12:05  Yes. Please. Jamie Mustard  01:12:08  Listen. You're any other thing that you're doing, you're mitigating against it. These things work. Like, yoga works. We're also not meant to live in artificial cities and virtual environments. So this system is a very useful system if they were in a tiger infested jungle, being stuck in fight or fight is actually very good. We actually it makes sense. That trauma is not a disorder. It makes sense that it's a physical injury because we would all have to have an identical response to fire flight or to trauma with fire flight if we're gonna survive as a species. It doesn't make any sense that it would be a disorder. Okay? We you were of a survival species. We have to have a homogeneous uniform response Lorilee Binstock  01:12:41  Mhmm. Jamie Mustard  01:12:48  to survival or we don't survive. K? But, you know, what you're doing when you do yoga, psilocybin I've seen wonders with psilocybin. And hyperbaric wonders, but a lot of that is your minute it's mitigation. Like, you have to do yoga. You have to run every day. Nature is incredible. You know, we're we're you know, I find, you know, nature helps mitigate against this, but we don't live in most of us don't live in natural environments anymore, so we don't have that mitigator. Lorilee Binstock  01:13:14  Right. Jamie Mustard  01:13:15  Right? So you can kind of reduce it and bring it down through holistic health. But the only way to reset it is to reset it. Okay? Again, the the Stella center. Go to I I think it's is it stellar center dot com? Lorilee Binstock  01:13:33  I might be able to find it. Jamie Mustard  01:13:34  Yeah. Let me Lorilee Binstock  01:13:35  Sela center dot com. Yep. You're right. Jamie Mustard  01:13:37  yeah. Yeah. Or go to talk yeah. I would also highly recommend Lorilee Binstock  01:13:38  Excellent. Jamie Mustard  01:13:42  if you're not getting this from Stella Center, I don't work for them. They don't pay me. K. I'm not a I just note the only place that has the modern protocols, which I'll call the stellar protocols, is the stellar center. I if you're not getting this, if you're not going to sell a center, you're not getting this. That's why I had to send my first cohort of people two years ago from Fort Bragg from Woamath, the most advanced medical hospital a military hospital in the world, I had to send my guys to Chicago. So first of all, Larlie, where do you live? Lorilee Binstock  01:14:16  I live in Washington, DC. Jamie Mustard  01:14:18  Okay. Well, they're Lorilee Binstock  01:14:20  There's one in New York, I see. Jamie Mustard  01:14:20  I would highly recommend Yeah. I do go to New York. No. Like like, you you're like, first of all, let's talk offline, but I I would I want you to go to Chicago and get it from doctor Lipoff. Lorilee Binstock  01:14:27  Yes. Jamie Mustard  01:14:32  Unequivocally. Okay? And if you do that, I'll get you a discount. Okay? Lorilee Binstock  01:14:36  Well, yes. Well, let's let let's chat after this conversation. She said, yes. That's a very Jamie Mustard  01:14:39  Okay. Okay. If you decide, there's pressure. Lorilee Binstock  01:14:42  no. I I'm very intrigued. I I'm trust me. I I mean, from where I was five years ago is just exponentially better. I don't recognize who I was, but I do have these moments where You know? I'm I just tore my ACL. I've just I'm recovering from ACL surgery, and I was single parenting for, like, a week, and my children just the sound of my children's voices up stairs screaming would, like, send me into, like, this, like, what is happening? I'm just freaking out over no reason. It's really because and I'm and I imagine myself and I think about Peter Levine's book where I was, like, maybe I'm I feel like a wounded animal with the just this this slight sound of, like, danger or any issues sends my nervous system, like, off the charts. And this was over the last week. Jamie Mustard  01:15:29  Yeah. One hundred percent one of the things I hear over and over, and this is true for me, is, you know, that moment where you just react, that's a physiological response. That is an overactive sympathetic nervous system. That's what went away when I got this. So you get that extra five seconds. You get that extra ten seconds where you're not having a physiological

SGT. MICHAEL SUGRUE - USAF Captain | Security Forces (Raven) | Retired Walnut Creek Police Sergeant | #1 Best-Selling Author | Mental Health Warrior | —————- Michael Sugrue began his law enforcement career in the United States Air Force as a Security Forces Officer in 1998. As a Security Forces Officer, Michael specialized in Law Enforcement, Global Force Protection, Anti-Terrorism, Nuclear Security, Foreign Airfield Assessments & Air Base Ground Defense. Michael served in a variety of assignments including: Flight Leader, Flight Commander, Senior Watch Officer, Chief of Command Post and Chief of Security Forces. Michael served all over the United States, Europe, the Middle East and South America. He was also a Security Forces Phoenix Raven with the unique identifier of #1173. Michael honorably separated from the Air Force as a Captain in 2004. Immediately after the Air Force, Michael was hired by the Walnut Creek Police Department where he served in a variety of assignments including: Patrol Officer, Driver Training Instructor (EVOC) Field Training Officer (FTO), SIU Detective, Undercover CA DOJ Narcotic Task Force Agent (Contra Costa County), Public Information Officer (PIO) and Patrol Sergeant. Michael was awarded the Walnut Creek PD Distinguished Service Medal in 2014 for his heroic and life saving actions during a Fatal Officer Involved Shooting in 2012. Michael ultimately medically retired in 2018. He is now a Peer Volunteer at the West Coast Post Trauma Retreat (WCPR) and an Ambassador for Save A Warrior (SAW). Michael is a dedicated advocate for awareness, prevention, education, training on Post Traumatic Stress Injury (PTSI) and First Responder Suicide Prevention. Michael continues to speak at law enforcement agencies all over the United States. In his BEST-SELLING book, RELENTLESS COURAGE: Winning the Battle Against Frontline Trauma, along with Dr. Shauna Springer, PhD, they tackle the complexity of trauma within the law enforcement community, uncovering the unspoken barriers, and outline a path to healing. REFERENCES & RESOURCES "RELENTLESS COURAGE is one of the most important books of our time. Doc Springer has teamed with Michael Sugrue to give us the vital, essential, “next step forward” in understanding and healing the trauma inflicted upon our first responders in these tragic, violent times…RELENTLESS COURAGE is truly the natural and essential successor to my book, 'ON COMBAT'". Lt. Col. Dave Grossman whose book ON COMBAT sold half a million copies. #ptsdrecovery #traumahealing #firstresponders #militaryveterans #suicideprevention | https://linktr.ee/martschink --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mettle-of-honor/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mettle-of-honor/support

I first met Shauna Springer -  or Doc Springer as her military clients call her  - when I interviewed her for one of her books, Warrior. There was something about her that I really warmed to and now am glad to call her a friend. Her books demonstrate what an incredible therapist she is, as well as being widely known as an expert on psychological trauma, military transition, and suicide prevention. So she was an obvious pick to guest host here at SelfWork! Her guest is another phenomenal woman. Alexa James who's the CEO of NAMI Chicago. Under different Chicago mayors, she's started mental health programs in the police department and worked closely on police accountability, She helped with Chicago''s response to Covid, and now continues to bring mental health treatment to the far under-served. What you'll hear today are two very caring and very knowledgable and very experienced women talking about innovative treatments that are being used more and more: ketamine infusions and SGB or stellate ganglion block. You can learn more on her website stellacenter.com. They offer great hope! Vital Links: Click Here for the fabulous offer from Athletic Greens - now AG1 - with bonus product with your subscription!  Start fresh in 2023! BetterHelp, the #1 online therapy provider, has a special offer for you now! Shauna ‘Doc' Springer is a co-founder and the Chief Psychologist for STELLA, a leading, trusted authority on innovative trauma treatments. Dr. Springer is responsible for developing STELLA's trauma informed approach to care across its international network of more than 50 clinics. She leads training and public speaking engagements for Stella and is the host of the podcast "The Story of Our Trauma."  She is a best-selling author of two books on trauma (WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us and Relentless Courage: Winning the Battle with Frontline Trauma and is widely considered to be one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. You can hear more about this and many other topics by listening to my podcast, SelfWork with Dr. Margaret Rutherford. Subscribe to my website and receive my weekly newsletter including a blog post and podcast! If you'd like to join my FaceBook closed group, then click here and answer the membership questions! Welcome! My new book entitled Perfectly Hidden Depression has been published and you can order here! Its message is specifically for those with a struggle with strong perfectionism which acts to mask underlying emotional pain. But the many self-help techniques described can be used by everyone who chooses to begin to address emotions long hidden away that are clouding and sabotaging your current life. And it's available in paperback, eBook or as an audiobook! Now there's another way to send me a message! You can record by clicking below and ask your question or make a comment. You'll have 90 seconds to do so and that time goes quickly. By recording, you're giving SelfWork (and me) permission to use your voice on the podcast. I'll look forward to hearing from you!  

Michael Sugrue is an Air Force Veteran and medically retired Sergeant from the Walnut Creek PD in California.  He recently released a book, Relentless Courage – Winning the Battle Against Frontline Trauma, with whom he co-authored with Dr. Shauna Springer.  At the time of our conversation, His book has been on the #1 bestseller list since its release five weeks in a row.  Michael discusses how he had no desire to write a book, but a phone call from his co-author, led to the release of a story that absolutely needed to be told. I have read countless books on the topic of front line trauma, but this one is unique.  Without giving too much away, the book alternates between Michael's voice and Doc Springer's analysis as she unpacks what was going on in Michael's mind.  Her explanations are easy to understand and help to normalize Michael's behaviors, emotions, and actions.  The big take away… first responders need safe places where they can address their trauma so healing can happen. Michael is an advocate for awareness, prevention, education, and training on PTSI and First Responder Suicide Prevention.  He is a peer volunteer at the WCPR and an Ambassador for the Save a Warrior program and discusses both of these programs in our conversation.  Michael talks about a fatal shooting he was involved in shortly after promoting to Sergeant.  He discussed the duality of the instant change in his personality and the more gradual onset of symptoms.  Michael discusses feeling detached and emotionally number immediately following the shooting, and how he slowly became less sympathetic and empathic towards others. Michael discusses how he suffered in silence for four years…divorce, health issues, a federal lawsuit, grieving his father's death, and his friends suicide attempt, which he credits to saving his life and what propelled his path to healing. Some of the highlights of our discussion include: Michaels healing path.  West Coast Post Trauma Retreat (WCPR), Save a Warrior, therapy, prescription medication, support group meetings, and a medical procedure called Stellate Ganglion Block or SGB. Agency betrayal and Moral Injury.  This is a big piece of his book and Michael says that often times this is what puts people over the edge, and in his case, he attributes moral injury and the treatment by his agency to his change in personality.  In the book Michael recounts the countless ways in which his fatal shooting, while his defining incident, was compounded by media accounts, court proceedings, lack of a structure in which OIS were handled internally, and isolation.  Stigma.  Michael suggests the only way to overcome stigma is continuing to talk about it and we need to have the courage and strength to have these vulnerable conversations.  Try new things.  Michael says, be willing to try new things.  EMDR didn't work for him, but he knows its worked wonders for others.  Retirement.  Michael says it is possible to retire health from a full first responder career and discussing the human side of what we go through our career is a crucial piece of the puzzle. Michael reminds us that healing is a life long journey; this is a reality, and not intended to discourage.  We all fall back; we can all get triggered, but when we do, there is support. LINKS: Save a Warrior Program:  https://saveawarrior.org/ West Coast Post Trauma Retreat:  https://www.frsn.org/west-coast-post-trauma-retreat.html 60 Minutes Rewind SGB:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2fBe6U7lg Relentless Courage Book Link:   https://www.amazon.com/RELENTLESS-COURAGE-Winning-Against-Frontline/dp/1736824414   ....and thanks to everyone for your continued support as we recently surpassed 10,000 downloads!!! Obviously, we couldn't have done it without all of you!!

This week, Chris and Jaimie revisit their conflict they shared in Episode 37 - Cover Me. Their friend, relationship and trauma expert, Doc Shauna Springer, reached out and gave them some insights into their conflict. She pointed out what she believed to be some of the underlying reasons for the conflict and gave Chris and Jaimie some tools for the future. Chris and Jaimie believe that Doc Springer's assessment was spot on and wanted to share her reflections with their listeners.Check out more on Doc Shauna Springer:  https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/Pick up some Gravity merch at:  https://www.skidoh.com/gravity_consulting_training/shop/homeEmail Chris & Jaimie at:  chris@gravityct.comMusic credit:  https://pixabay.com/music/corporate-news-corporate-8307/

Today's show is awesome and everyone should listen to this. Shauna Doc Springer and I talk about an existing and very accessible total game changer in the treatment of PTSD. It's called the Stellate Ganglion Block. We also talk about first responder suicide and thoughts for friends and loved ones of someone who dies by suicide. Shauna ‘Doc' Springer is a licensed psychologist, best-selling author, frequently requested keynote speaker, award-winning podcast host, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. A Harvard graduate who has become a trusted Doc to our nation's military warfighters and first responders, she navigates diverse cultures with exceptional agility. As Chief Psychologist for STELLA, she advances a new model for treating psychological trauma that combines biological and psychological interventions. Doc Springer is frequently sourced by the media for her uniquely perceptive insights on trauma recovery, post-traumatic growth, psychological health, and interpersonal relationships, developed from two decades of work at the extremes. Her work has been featured in multiple media outlets, including VICE, NPR, NBC, CNN, CBS Radio, Forbes, Business Insider, Military Times, Military.com, Gun Talk Radio, Coffee or Die Magazine, Havok Journal, THRIVE GLOBAL, US News and World Report, NEWSMAX, The Daily News, Police1, Anxiety.org, and Psychology Today. In her recently published book, RELENTLESS COURAGE: Winning the Battle AgainstFrontline Trauma, along with Sergeant (Ret) Michael Sugrue, she tackles the complexity of trauma with the law enforcement community, uncovers the unspoken barriers, and outlines a path to healing. RELENTLESS COURAGE has been described by Lt. Col. David Grossman, best-selling author of On Killing and On Combat as “one of the most important books of our time” and “the natural successor to On Combat. www.stellacenter.comwww.docshaunaspringer.comRELENTLESS COURAGE: Winning the Battle Against Frontline TraumaShauna 'Doc' Springer on the human impact of first responder trauma

Trigger Warning: Suicide and Violence You may not know that suicide kills more first responders each year than die in the line of duty. This is one of many things that need to change. This book, Relentless Courage, was written with this fact in mind. It's co-authored by Doc Shauna Springer and Michael Sugrue, formerly a member of an elite Air Force squad and a veteran police officer It was only during his police experience and after that Michael was pummeled by the incessant nightmares and flashbacks of PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder.  Relentless Courage tells his story so that other first responders can know they are not alone in their mental and emotional struggle. Doc Springer and Michael also want you to know that this story and its powerful message has nothing to do with choosing “sides” - or the belief that you either side with the police or with the protestors. That does not need to be. Instead, there can be compassion for all – so that solutions – ideas for positive change – can emerge from compassion for all.. In fact, their efforts are trying to help those of us who aren't first responders to feel – to recognize – the trauma that those that serve face every day. And to build into the police culture that their personal trauma and injury needs to be recognized – so that there can be support while they're serving as police. If you have trauma or violence in your past, please listen with caution. Yet I offer this episode for this patriotic weekend – as we all move forward to understand the pain of all trauma - and strive for compassion and understanding, instead of distrust and disdain. And if you are or know a first responder, this might be the episode they most need to hear. BetterHelp is the proud sponsor of this episode, and is readily available to help anyone and everyone who needs it. Important Links: BetterHelp, the #1 online therapy provider, has a special offer for you now! You can hear more about this and many other topics by listening to my podcast, SelfWork with Dr. Margaret Rutherford. Subscribe to my website and receive my weekly newsletter including a blog post and podcast! If you'd like to join my FaceBook closed group, then click here and answer the membership questions! Welcome! My book entitled Perfectly Hidden Depression has been published and you can order here! Its message is specifically for those with a struggle with strong perfectionism which acts to mask underlying emotional pain. But the many self-help techniques described can be used by everyone who chooses to begin to address emotions long hidden away that are clouding and sabotaging your current life. And it's available in paperback, eBook or as an audiobook! And there's another way to send me a message! You can record by clicking below and ask your question or make a comment. You'll have 90 seconds to do so and that time goes quickly. By recording, you're giving SelfWork (and me) permission to use your voice on the podcast. I'll look forward to hearing from you!  

I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Michael Sugrue and discuss with him his book, "Relentless Courage, Winning the Battle Against Front Line Trauma". Michael recalls the incidents surrounding the aftermath of an officer involved shooting he experienced back in 2012. We discuss the culture, and stigma that so often keeps us stuck. More importantly Michael shares with us how he recovered to be the man he is today. Michael is a National Keynote Speaker, U. S. Air Force veteran, Retired Police Sergeant and Mental Health Advocate. It was a great discussion on how we become better at supporting our first responders when it comes to how they deal with the struggles related to "winning the battle against front line trauma".  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sgtmichaelsugrueHis book is available on amazon:https://www.amazon.com/dp/1736824414/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6NGBS45YD4RHQTMZHWVThttps://www.docshaunaspringer.com/relentless-courage/RELENTLESS COURAGE is one of the most important books of our time. Building on her previous book, WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, Doc Springer has teamed with Michael Sugrue to give us the vital, essential, 'next step forward' in understanding and healing the trauma inflicted upon our first responders in these tragic, violent times…RELENTLESS COURAGE is truly the natural and essential successor to my book, ON COMBAT."- Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, whose book ON COMBAT sold half a million copies

Michael Sugrue is a National Speaker, Author, Retired Police Sergeant, Former U.S. Air Force Security Forces Captain, and First Responder & Military Mental Health Advocate. He shares his incredible story in his new book, Relentless Courage, to help end the stigma of mental health for our frontline workers.RELENTLESS COURAGE is one of the most important books of our time. Building on her previous book, WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, Doc Springer has teamed with Michael Sugrue to give us the vital, essential, “next step forward” in understanding and healing the trauma inflicted upon our first responders in these tragic, violent times…RELENTLESS COURAGE is truly the natural and essential successor to my book, “ON COMBAT”.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, whose book ON COMBAT sold half a million copiesLearn more about Michael Sugrue:LinkdInFacebookSupport the show

"Men and Therapy" w/ Shauna Springer, Ph.D., Leading Expert Therapy  Men Talking Mindfulness!!   Let's change the stigma surrounding mental health for EVERYONE including men!   As we discussed in our "Asking for Help Episode" - men are less likely to ask for help - well, men are less likely to seek help with their mental health!  According to the American Psychological Association, “dozens of studies and surveys over the past several decades have shown that men of all ages and ethnicities are less likely than women to seek help for all sorts of problems–including depression, substance abuse and stressful life events–even though they encounter those problems at the same or greater rates as women.”   Join Jon and Will for a special "off schedule" episode of Men Talking Mindfulness as they discuss this topic with special guest, Dr. Shauna Springer ("Doc")! Check out Doc's book on her website: drshaunaspringer.com Check out the Master Guide to Mental Wellness on redefiningyourmission.com 0:00 Preview 1:00 MTM Intro 2:00 Welcome to the show! 3:00 Movement Rx: M2 Experience begins October 27th movementrx.com/mtm 3:30 Get your MTM Swag between now and November 7th! mentalkingmindfulness.com 4:00 Introducing Doc Springer 5:00 Will leads Opening Grounding Practice 9:00 Who is Doc Springer? (She'll kick your ass) 12:30 What are the obstacles of getting people into therapy? 16:30 Developing trust is key, but requires different approach 22:30 What is the role of therapy in growth? 24:00 Why going to therapy might destroy a warrior's career. 32:00 Venting to your buddies is not therapy 33:45 Doc Springer calls Will out 35:00 Therapy is work and a therapist is there to help you get shit done. 36:30 Doc is playing Legend of Zelda ‘86 38:00 If you're going to play a video game, you need a gamer by your side. 41:30 Confined masculinity is just avoidance. 46:00 How do you display compassion without bruising egos? 49:15 How do you find the right therapist? 54:00 CW: Suicide 55:00 Taking away someone's weapon is a delicate but crucial matter 59:00 Warriors are constantly in Fight-or-Flight 1:04:00 There are a LOT of therapies, but it's all about the doctor 1:09:30 Get started with redefineyourmission.com 1:12:00 Jon leads Closing Grounding Practice Opening and closing Music: Malecon by Soyb & Amine Maxwell https://soundcloud.com/soybmusic https://soundcloud.com/aminemaxwell Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0 Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/al-malecon Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/xbWzYbtMgIE

Dr. Shauna Springer – known as “Doc Springer” in the military community, is one of the nation's leading experts on PTSD and transitional trauma. Her work has been featured on CNN, VICE, Business Insider, THRIVE Global, US News and World Report, NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Washington Post, and Military Times. She is a regular contributor to Psychology Today. Over the past decade, Doc Springer has earned a rare form of trust with military leaders and combat warfighters. Her reputation for walking with warfighters in the trenches of mental warfare is widely recognized. What Dr. Springer has learned from helping our nation's warriors confront and overcome the challenges they face gives her a uniquely valuable perspective on how to lead ourselves – and those around us – through times of trauma, challenge, and unforeseen life disruption. She is the author of WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us and Co-author of Beyond the Military: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration, and Marriage, for Equals. Check out:  https://drshaunaspringer.com/  Wait, there is more!!! Have a look at  www.mystepstosobriety.com  to see which other books and projects I am involved in!  And follow me on Instagram, Podcast, Facebook and Linkedin! https://stephanneff.podbean.com/ https://www.facebook.com/stepstosobriety/ https://www.instagram.com/stepstosobriety/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephan-neff-author/

Doc Shauna Springer - Beyond The Military - Shauna “Doc” Springer is a best-selling author, frequently requested keynote speaker, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. She is the author of WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us and the co-author of BEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration. Get Beyond the Military on Amazon at: Get more on Shauna at: 2020 was hard on everyone mentally. There's lots to be learned from Doc Springer as she helps us trim back the things that seek to bury us. Enjoy this therapeutic episode that anyone, not just veterans, can enjoy. Please support the Break It Down Show by doing a monthly subscription to the show  All of the money you invest goes directly to supporting the show!   For the  of this episode head to ​Haiku Instead of Dr. The veterans trust a "Doc" Her rightful prefix Similar episodes:  -   -   -    Join us in supporting Save the Brave as we battle PTSD.  Executive Producer/Host: Pete A Turner  Producer: Damjan Gjorgjiev  Writer: Dragan Petrovski  The Break It Down Show is your favorite best, new podcast, featuring 5 episodes a week with great interviews highlighting world-class guests from a wide array of shows.

Dr. Springer talks about the effect of Bill Cosby's release on the 60 women he abused. She talks about types of therapy. How and where to get help and why sexual abuse has more layers than most traumatic events. https://stellacenter.com/

About Today's GuestShauna ‘Doc' Springer is a best-selling author, frequently requested keynote speaker, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. She is the author of WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us and the co-author of BEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration. A Harvard graduate who has become a trusted Doc to our nation's military warfighters, she navigates different cultures with exceptional agility. As Chief Psychologist for Stella, she advances a new model for treating psychological trauma that combines biologicaland psychological interventions. Doc Springer is a licensed psychologist who is frequently sourced by the media for her uniquely perceptive insights on trauma recovery, post-traumatic growth, psychological health, and interpersonal relationships, developed from two decades of work at the extremes. Doc Springer's work has been featured in multiple media outlets, including CNN, VICE, NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Business Insider, Military Times, Military.com, Gun Talk Radio, Coffee or Die Magazine, HavokJournal, THRIVE GLOBAL, Police1, Anxiety.org, Washington Post, and Psychology Today. Links Mentioned In This EpisodeShauna's Web SiteWARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect UsBEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration.PsychArmor Resource of the WeekThe PsychArmor resource for this week is resource of the week is a Q&A with Doc Springer. In this resource, she discusses how the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivor's Suicide Postvention Model helped suicide loss survivor and Marine Corps Veteran Dana O'Brien address his grief. Through telling O'Brien's story, the course, “Treating Grief in the Veteran Population,” provides practical ways to help Veterans express their grief and loss. You can check out the Q&A by going to the link in the show notes. and you can find a link to it here: https://psycharmor.org/qawithtaps/ This Episode Sponsored By:This episode is sponsored by PsychArmor, the premier education and learning ecosystem specializing in military culture content.PsychArmor offers an online e-learning laboratory with custom training options for organizations.Join Us on Social Media PsychArmor on TwitterPsychArmor on FacebookPsychArmor on YouTubePsychArmor on LinkedInPsychArmor on InstagramTheme MusicOur theme music Don't Kill the Messenger was written and performed by Navy Veteran Jerry Maniscalco, in cooperationwith Operation Encore, a non profit committed to supporting singer/songwriter and musicians across the military and Veteran communities.Producer and Host Duane France is a retired Army Noncommissioned Officer, combat veteran, and clinical mental health counselorfor service members, veterans, and their families.  You can find more about the work that he is doing at www.veteranmentalhealth.com 

Welcome to a two-part series created to highlight our veterans and first responders, all whose suicide rates are very high. If you're a veteran or first responder, or you love one, this series is a must listen. Today's interview is with Dr. Shauna Springer, better known to her veteran clients as "Doc." The story of how she learned how to work with veterans' trauma actually holds within it a far broader approach and hope to anyone who might be trying to heal from invisible wounds. You may be surprised to learn what those actual wounds are - not the ones we typically think of as civilians. But rather, ones that belong to those that experience a vital bond with the people that fight beside them. And if that bond is broken or damaged, shame, guilt and a vast emptiness can be created - feelings that last far longer than actual memories of violence. Shauna ‘Doc’ Springer is a best-selling author, frequently requested keynote speaker, and one of the world's leading experts on psychological trauma, military transition, suicide prevention, and close relationships. She is the author of WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us and the co-author of BEYOND THE MILITARY: A Leader’s Handbook for Warrior Reintegration. A Harvard graduate who has become a trusted Doc to our nation’s military warfighters, she navigates different cultures with exceptional agility. As Chief Psychologist for Stella, she advances a new model for treating psychological trauma that combines biological and psychological interventions. Doc Springer is a licensed psychologist who is frequently sourced by the media for her uniquely perceptive insights on trauma recovery, post-traumatic growth, psychological health, and interpersonal relationships, developed from two decades of work at the extremes. Doc Springer’s work has been featured in multiple media outlets, including CNN, VICE, NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Business Insider, Military Times, Military.com, Gun Talk Radio, Coffee or Die Magazine, Havok Journal, THRIVE GLOBAL, Police1, Anxiety.org, Washington Post, and Psychology Today. Other important links: BetterHelp, the #1 online therapy provider, has a special offer for you now! Dr. Shauna Springer's Speaking Page Overcoming Barriers to Treatment (based on Chapter 2 of Dr. Shauna Springer's book WARRIOR):  https://youtu.be/oNUiCNDYeys You can hear more about mental health and many other topics by listening to my podcast, SelfWork with Dr. Margaret Rutherford. Subscribe to my website and receive one weekly newsletter including my weekly blog post and podcast! If you’d like to join my FaceBook closed group, then click here and answer the membership questions! Welcome! My book entitled Perfectly Hidden Depression has arrived and you can order here! Its message is specifically for those with a struggle with strong perfectionism or need for control which acts to mask underlying emotional pain. But the many self-help techniques described can be used by everyone who chooses to begin to address emotions, long hidden away, that are clouding and sabotaging your current life. And there’s a new way to send me a message! You can record by clicking below and ask your question or make a comment. You’ll have 90 seconds to do so and that time goes quickly. By recording, you’re giving SelfWork (and me) permission to use your voice on the podcast. I’ll look forward to hearing from you! Image courtesy of Pixels.  

In the Moment, May 25, 2021 Show 1056. Victoria Wicks reports on a lawyer who previously ran a black metal record label that released anti-Semitic and white supremacist material and merchandise. He now lives in Custer and is seeking admission to the South Dakota State Bar Association. SDPB's Jackie Hendry sat down with Avera Health Vice President Matt Stanley. They talk frankly here about the risks of having access to firearms during a mental health crisis. Trauma expert Shauna Springer, Ph.D. ("Doc Springer") joins us to talk about important parallels between combat veterans and healthcare providers during the pandemic. We talk about helplessness, lack of equipment, and the valorization of nurses and doctor. Doc Springer's latest book is called "Warrior." We hear from third-generation Warner cattle producer Larry Stroschein about this history of his operation and his passion for his life's work. Tiger Meat is a new zine aiming to spotlight the best new music in South Dakota. The man

Doctor Shauna Springer, Ph.D – known as “Doc Springer” in the military community, is one of the nation's leading experts on trauma, military transition, and close relationships. After serving 8 years as a frontline psychologist in the Department of Veterans Affairs, she transitioned to Senior Director of Suicide Prevention Initiatives for the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors (T.A.P.S.). Her devotion and passion over the past decade have resulted in earning a rare form of trust with military leaders and combat warfighters. In her current role as Chief Psychologist of Stella Center, she works to advance a new model of treatment for trauma-related symptoms that fuses biological and psychological interventions.  Dr. Springer’s work has been featured on CNN, Business Insider, THRIVE Global, VICE, US News and World Report, NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Washington Post, and Military Times. She is co-author of the best-selling book, Beyond the Military, which explores the psychological, cultural, and relational aspects of military transition. Her newest book WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us brings the worlds of the warrior and those they protect together to shine new light on things that many thought we understood: Trust, Stigma, Firearms, The Imploding Mind, and Connection.  Dr. Shauna Springer was also a guest on DOV Baron's podcast- Leadership & Loyalty- where she talks about the impact of COVID  on mental health.  The link to that episode is: https://player.acast.com/dovbaron/episodes/doc-shauna-springer   Doctor Shauna Springer's Contact Information WEBSITE: https://www.docshaunaspringer.com LINKEDIN PROFILE: https://www.linkedin.com/in/docshaunaspringer  EMAIL ADDRESS: shauna@post.harvard.edu LINKEDIN SHOWCASE PROFILE: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/dr-shauna-springer-ph-d --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mettle-of-honor/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/mettle-of-honor/support

Dr. Shauna Springer, aka "Doc" Springer joins us to talk all things mental health. We talk about how the depressed brain is an altered state, how aggression has a place, what Nike got right, and more. Shauna talks a lot about the revolutionary procedure known as a stellate ganglion block and why people should consider it if PTSD, trauma, or anxiety is part of your daily life. Watch the video about Stellate Ganglion Blocks Doc Springer is a licensed psychologist who has worked extensively with the military veteran population and has authored several books, including her most recent "Warrior." Find out more about Shauna Springer through her website: docshaunaspringer.com ------------------------------------------ Age Groupies is brought to you by UCAN! Learn about why you should #fuelthepursuit with #UCAN and save 10% on all your orders by using the link https://ucan.co/shop/share/michael.ergo/   =========================================== Thanks for checking out Age Groupies Podcast, a podcast for amateur endurance athletes. Your hosts Lindsay Hiken and Mike Ergo are endurance athletes that explore their own journey with mental health and sport. If you enjoy the show please leave us a rating/review on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts, and tell a friend!  You can email questions and topic ideas to AgeGroupies@gmail.com, and follow the show on social media: Instagram: @AgeGroupies Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/agegroupies/ Twitter: @AgeGroupie Strava: Lindsay Hiken and Mike Ergo

Dr. Shauna Springer is a nationally recognized expert on initiatives that benefit the military community. Known as "Doc Springer", she is a trusted adviser for a vast network of veterans, military families and fellow thought leaders. She has helped thousands of veterans and their partners thrive after military service, supporting warriors in reconnecting with their tribe, strengthening their relationships, and building lives driven by their values. In this episode, Doc Springer shares her role at the Stella Center, a treatment facility for those suffering from PTSD that uses the stella ganglion block to target symptoms. She explains how this procedure offers healing by addressing the overactive “fight or flight system” that afflicts many with PTSD. She also discusses her book, Warrior, about supporting loved ones experiencing trauma. You can see more about Doc Springer at https://www.docshaunaspringer.com. Learn about the trauma therapy discussed in this episode at https://stellacenter.com. Doc Springer's book, Warrior: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, is available here: https://www.amazon.com/Warrior-How-Support-Those-Protect/dp/1732167818/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=shauna+springer&qid=1612213780&sr=8-1.

My latest guest is “Doc” Shauna Springer - Author, Psychologist, and Trauma Expert. In this episode we cover so much - her work in the VA; her childhood; her book; her online education organization - Redefine Your Mission; military transition and the risks associated with that; and Stellate Ganglion Block treatment for PTS. Here’s all her information and information on topics discussed during the episode: Her company’s web address: https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/ Her most recent book, Warrior: How to Support Those Who Protect Us... https://www.amazon.com/dp/1732167818/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdb_imm_t1_13TOFbWC83WGE Online Education Page: https://redefineyourmission.com/   LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/docshaunaspringer Twitter: https://twitter.com/Doc_Springer Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/docshaunaspringer/ And here’s a great video summary of Doc Springer’s work... https://youtu.be/qju_0-ayBj4 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/veteranspath/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/veteranspath/support

Dr. Shauna Springer, commonly known as "Doc Springer," is a Relationship Expert, Trauma Expert, and overall, Trusted Doc. She is known for pop-culture and mainstream insights in psychology and interpersonal relationships, affecting all people, originating from what she has gleaned from two decades of work at the extremes. In the military and veteran community, she is known for helping military couples strengthen their closest relationships. In this role, she has helped many military couples re-attach after lengthy separations and heal - together - after trauma exposures. Connect with Doc Springer on LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/docshaunaspringer (http://www.linkedin.com/in/docshaunaspringer), Twitter @Doc_Springer, Instagram @docshaunaspringer, or subscribe to her YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSMHP1l4DQ8wR1TmliaFKGg?view_as=subscriber (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSMHP1l4DQ8wR1TmliaFKGg?view_as=subscriber) Learn more about Doc Springer at https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/ (https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/) For her latest book, WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, visit https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/warrior/ (https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/warrior/) For our previous conversation, check out Ep. 018: https://www.holdingdownthefortpodcast.com/episode/doc-springer (https://www.holdingdownthefortpodcast.com/episode/doc-springer) -- ✅ We're now accepting guests! Apply today https://forms.gle/sDY5nPkEMu665FXn6 (https://forms.gle/sDY5nPkEMu665FXn6) ✅ Subscribe to our newsletter http://eepurl.com/gTTOdT (http://eepurl.com/gTTOdT) ✅ Visit our website https://www.holdingdownthefortpodcast.com/ (https://www.holdingdownthefortpodcast.com/) ✅ Sponsored by US VetWealth, learn about our upcoming book http://veteranwealthsecrets.com/ (http://veteranwealthsecrets.com/) ✅ Connect with our co-hosts Jen Amos jen@holdingdownthefortpodcast.com and Jenny Lynne Stroup https://jennylynnestroup.com/ (https://jennylynnestroup.com/) or jennylynnestroup379@gmail.com ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Enjoy our show? Kindly leave us a review on ✅ Apple Podcasts https://apple.co/30SJ7NW (https://apple.co/30SJ7NW) ✅ Podchaser https://bit.ly/3dnCacY (https://bit.ly/3dnCacY) ✅ Or a LinkedIn Recommendation for Jen https://bit.ly/3jNobzB (https://bit.ly/3jNobzB) Support this podcast

Our host, Nicole Cacal, chats with Dr. Shauna Springer - a psychologist and leading expert on PTSD and trauma. “Doc" Springer is a dedicated advocate for military veterans, and she recently partnered with Stella Center on their innovative treatment approach for trauma-related symptoms. Nicole and Dr. Springer discuss the significance of connection during this time of heightened anxiety, how corporate leaders often think like warriors, and the importance of finding your tribe.—Dr. Shauna Springer on LinkedInNicole Cacal on LinkedInForbes Ignite WebsiteForbes Ignite on Instagram Forbes Ignite on LinkedIn

What's the real struggle warriors face when they leave the trenches? Here's a hint: It's something you're facing right now. On this episode of the ROI Online Podcast, Dr. Shauna Springer a psychologist who works with service members explains how the loss of relationships and connection can be more damaging than the horrors of war.Dr. Shauna Springer went to Harvard University for her undergrad and got a degree in psychology. After college, she entered her first position, which involved working with veterans, warriors, and service members. One of the patients asked her a question that shattered her confidence in her authority: “What makes you think you could help me through my trauma when I've been to war and seeing things you can't even imagine?” That statement was a significant turning point. She spent 10 years researching everything from the best way to set up her office and how to start a conversation to how to build trust and keep trust with veterans. Shauna's research ran counter to a lot of the ways she was trained. Instead of coming in as the expert, she had to put her authority aside and just listen deeply to their stories. An interesting point Shauna quickly learned is that veterans aren't struggling with the “horrors of war.” They're feeling betrayed. They know the sacrifices they've made after years of service, but other people don't see it. They feel like they need allies. They need people to stand with them. After 10 years of walking with warriors into the trenches, Shauna wrote Beyond the Military to share the real struggle these veterans face every day.  She wrote her book to help veterans develop insights as to the weight they care—as well as to help VA treatment providers and the loved ones of military service members and veterans understand them better.When COVID happened, suddenly, the invisible threat and layers of moral anguish she saw in warriors every day began to surface in everyday people. All of us today face conflicting information, bad news, loss of jobs, economic turmoil, decreased quality of life, and many other struggles warriors face when they get back home. We also have the loss of relationships and connection, something even more dangerous. We've lost the basic ways of communications we took for granted.Shauna's book now speaks to everyday heroes as well as warriors fighting on the front lines. She has also written a new book, Warrior: How to Support Those Who Protect Us, to help others help warriors find healing in life off the battlefield.You can learn more about Doc Springer here:docshaunaspringer.comAlternative resource for those seeking help:redefineyourmission.comRead Shauna's books here:Beyond the Military: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior ReintegrationWarrior: How to Support Those Who Protect UsGet your copy of Steve Brown's book, The Golden Toilet. Also available on Audible for free when you sign up for a 30-Day Trial Membership! Thinking of starting your own podcast? Buzzsprout's secure and reliable posting allows you to publish podcasts online. Buzzsprout also includes full iTunes support, HTML5 players, show statistics, and WordPress plugins. Get started using this link to receive a $20 Amazon gift card and to help support our show!Support the show (https://cash.app/$stevemfbrown)

Dr. Shauna Springer, Psychologist and author of Warrior: How to Support Those Who Protect Us joins Matt and Dynamite to dive deep into what makes Warrior's struggle with seeking help. Dynamite is a former patient of Doc Springer and the conversation gets really good - don't miss it and tell your friends to tune in.Check out Doc Springer's website to stay up to date on everything she has going on!!!Get the video of this episode at the Vet Pivot YouTube channel!!!

Many of us deal with loss, depression, grief, and anger in different ways- and in these times you maybe dealing with one or multiple of these emotions. If you are, there is nothing wrong- you don't need to RANGER up and prove to everyone your tough, we already know that! You also do not have to stay in helplessness, hopelessness, and in a doubtful mindset. In this episode you will walk away the #goldengrenades needed to be a high performing leader without suffering in silence anymore! Once the Interview Starts:  0:00- 9:00 Min: Jennifer's background and three pivotal dramatical experiences that would have 98% of people give up and commit suicide, but not her- now she considers herself a medal head!  9:00- 14:40 Min: Scars that people cannot see and how to not have them define who you are. 14:40- 15:40 Min: Not being defined by labels, working for the next achievement verses finding your personal value within. 15:40-18:00 Min: Everyone comes to the ledge differently, how it doesn't matter if you broke a moral code or carry a chemical imbalance, and what is most important.  18:00- 22:41 Min: Turning a pile of shit into beautiful flowers by becoming a great marksman. 22:41- 33:00 Min: Five things we cannot control- and what to do about it.  33:00- 37:00 Min: Jennifer's Three Golden Grenades-               1) Loose the battle- win the WAR- define your WAR!               2) Don't want pity- find respect in community!               3) Tribe- making sure you matter and surrounding yourself with people that make you feel that way!  37:00- END: Redefine Your Mission program partnered with Doc Springer- which includes two books, 40 video trainings with guide workbooks with straight talk and critical insights. Program is normally $300- right now it's on sale for $79.00- if you use coupon code: AMVNetwork you will receive an additional 10% OFF! Check it out here: https://bit.ly/RYMWebsite Learn more about the resources, tools, and offerings from Jennifer here:  Website: https://bit.ly/JenniferTracyOfficialWebsite   Show Sponsor: Learn more about Combat Flips and explore their inventory of footwear, accessories, and apparel here: https://bit.ly/CFFAMVPodcast  Use Coupon Code: "AMVNetwork" at check out to receive 25% off.  Commercial One: Take advantage of your 10% OFF Ambitious VET discount on all Original Grain watches by simply using coupon code: AMVNetwork10 at check-out- explore originality here: https://bit.ly/OGWatchesWebsite  Commercial Two: Take advantage of Brute Force's apparel, accessories, and sandbag training here: https://bit.ly/BruteForceGear (Train Accordingly) Have feedback on the show? Feel free to provide it here along with any potential affiliate or corporate partnership inquiries: choffmann@vettrainingcoaching.com

Today we talk with returning guest, Shauna Springer about her newest book, Warrior. Shauna is a licensed psychologist and through her work with veterans through the VA, TAPS, and other veteran organizations, she has earned the title of "Doc" Springer. We talk about what this means during the show. Purchase her book Warrior at Barnes & Noble  Walmart Books a Million Amazon   Connect with Shauna on Facebook DocShaunaSpringer.com =================== Transitions from War After serving in the United States Marines Corps, Mike Ergo started the Transitions from War blog  and Podcast to talk about his struggles returning from combat in Iraq. From PTSD and addiction to finding endurance sports, Mike has found a new life purpose and a passion to share this with others.     Transitions from War Sponsors:   Tattered Beans Air Force veteran Jason Jean gives us all a win-win situation: getting great coffee and tangibly supporting veterans and first responders. How does this work? Every bag of coffee you buy puts money directly in the pockets of those who serve with no middleman. When you buy coffee through Transitions from War, the money allocated to me will instead go to my fundraising campaign for the Ironman Foundation's Gold Star Initiative. Tattered Beans comes out of Pennsylvania, birthplace of the Marine Corps, where the first American Flag was stitched, where the Declaration of Independence was signed, home to the late Mac Miller and Punxsutawney Phil.   Buy some Tattered Beans Coffee today!   Cowboy Crickets Sustainable, Montana-raised crickets. Veteran-owned and Ironman approved! Enter promo code VETS to save 15% on all orders.    Fire Team Whiskey An app-based personal fitness and nutrition service geared to help active duty and military veterans take charge of their health with a ketogenic approach to eating. Save 40% on all training plans and coaching, as well as 15% on all keto supplements with the promo code "TRANSITIONS"     Zealios Zinc-based performance sunscreen along with chlorine-removing hair and skin products. Use the promo code VETS to save 20% on all orders.    Primal Kitchen Healthy, Paleo/Primal/Keto and Vegan condiments, salad dressings, and energy bars that actually taste good! Use the promo code PRIMALVETERAN to save 10% on your order and directly support this show.   Green Wolf Tactical Marine Corps Veteran-owned business specializing in paracord gear, custom embroidery, bracelets, key chains, survival gear, PVC patches, & more. Save 20% on all your orders with the promo code SEMPERFI   Find us on Facebook, Twitter,  Instagram and TransitionsFromWar.com #TFWSTORIES

Our guest on this episode is… Dr. Shauna Springer. "Doc" Springer is known for pop-culture and mainstream insights in psychology and interpersonal relationships, affecting all people, originating from what she has gleaned from two decades of work at the extremes. Dr. Shauna Springer is a graduate of Harvard University and is one of the world's leading experts on PTSD, and Transition Trauma. She co-hosts a weekly podcast on these topics in collaboration with MilitaryTimes. Her work has been featured on NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Washington Post, and Military Times. She is a bestselling author of Warrior How to Support Those Who Protect Us and regular contributor to Psychology Today. More on Doc Shauna: http://DocShaunaSpringer.com #EpidemicOfHope

Dr. Shauna Springer: The COVID Anxiety Crisis5 Key Strategies to Move Out of Anxiety: Shauna Springer, PhD. What are you doing to develop "Transitional Agility"?.......Our guest on this episode is… Dr. Shauna Springer. "Doc" Springer is known for pop-culture and mainstream insights in psychology and interpersonal relationships, affecting all people, originating from what she has gleaned from two decades of work at the extremes. Dr. Shauna Springer is a graduate of Harvard University and is one of the world's leading experts on PTSD, and Transition Trauma. She co-hosts a weekly podcast on these topics in collaboration with MilitaryTimes. Her work has been featured on NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Washington Post, and Military Times. She is a bestselling author of Warrior How to Support Those Who Protect Us and a regular contributor to Psychology Today. More on Doc Shauna: http://DocShaunaSpringer.com #EpidemicOfHope........Today more than ever it is time to upgrade your leadership! Find out how you can hire Dov Baron "The Dragonist" as a speaker or strategist for yourself or your organization: DovBaron.com Because Unified meaning is the one single monolithic difference between mediocrity and greatness for all individuals and companies! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dr. Shauna Springer is a licensed psychologist and nationally recognized expert on initiatives that benefit the military community. Known as “Doc Springer”, she is a trusted advisor for a vast network of veterans, military families and fellow thought leaders. Her uniquely perceptive insights have helped thousands of veterans and their partners thrive after military service and she has personally helped hundreds of warriors reconnect with their tribe, strengthen their relationships, and build lives driven by their values. Dr. Springer’s work has been featured on NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Military Times and Marine Corps Times. Connect with Doc Springer on Twitter @Doc_Springer or visit http://www.hiddenivy.com/ (http://www.hiddenivy.com/) Beyond the Military is now available! Visit https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Military-Leaders-Handbook-Reintegration/dp/1544505574/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=beyond+the+military&qid=1574181929&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Military-Leaders-Handbook-Reintegration/dp/1544505574/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=beyond+the+military&qid=1574181929&sr=8-1) Beyond the Military has been endorsed by the “most interesting man in the world.” Check out his video at https://youtu.be/IYJyYLYPUkY (https://youtu.be/IYJyYLYPUkY) --- Resources mentioned throughout the show: Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors (TAPS) https://www.taps.org/ Children of Fallen Patriots https://www.fallenpatriots.org/ (https://www.fallenpatriots.org/) New podcast coming in January 2019: Seeking the Military Suicide Solution with Duane K. L. France, MA, MBA, LPC --- This episode is brought to you by https://militaryfamilies.com/military-veterans/us-vetwealth-founder-creates-order-out-of-chaos/ (https://militaryfamilies.com/military-veterans/us-vetwealth-founder-creates-order-out-of-chaos/) Connect with Jen Amos https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenamos/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenamos/) Join our Instagram community https://www.instagram.com/holdingdownthefortpodcast/ (https://www.instagram.com/holdingdownthefortpodcast/) Subscribe to our newsletter: https://bit.ly/hdtf-newsletter (https://bit.ly/hdtf-newsletter) Contact us at jen@holdingdownthefortpodcast.com (mailto:jen@holdingdownthefortpodcast.com)

This week's episode is a companion to the Marine Corps Times article Dr. Shauna Springer and I coauthored on how we can talk about suicide. As we talk about in the show, a Marine Corps colonel was recently quoted as saying that "suicide is a shameful act." We get into why this is not accurate and how to productively talk about suicide and how to help those suffering and the loved ones of those who have completed a suicide. Read our article here   This week I am joined by Dr. Shauna Springer and Eric Strom.   Shauna Springer is a licensed clinical psychologist. She is the TAPS Suicide Prevention & Postvention Senior Director who is known by many service members and veterans as “Doc Springer” based on the trust she has earned within the Tribe and her role as a trusted advisor to many who have served within the military. Dr. Springer has helped hundreds of warriors reconnect with their tribe, strengthen their most important relationships, and build lives that are driven by their deepest values.   Eric Strom is a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker in MN and is a member of the MN Army National Guard. Eric spent 5 years as an active duty Marine and deployed twice to the Persian Gulf. Eric specializes in and works with those who have suffered traumatic events in their lives.   Connect with the Veterans Crisis Line Call 1-800-273-8255 and Press 1 for Veteran Text 838255 Support for Deaf and Hard of Hearing 1-800-799-4889 =================== Transitions from War After his service in the United States Marines Corps, Mike Ergo started the Transitions from War blog  and Podcast to talk about his struggles returning from combat in Iraq. From PTSD and addiction to finding endurance sports, Mike has found a new life purpose and a passion to share this with others.     Transitions from War Sponsors:   Tattered Beans Air Force veteran Jason Jean gives us all a win-win situation: getting great coffee and tangibly supporting veterans and first responders. How does this work? Every bag of coffee you buy puts money directly in the pockets of those who serve with no middleman. When you buy coffee through Transitions from War, the money allocated to me will instead go to my fundraising campaign for the Ironman Foundation's Gold Star Initiative. Tattered Beans comes out of Pennsylvania, birthplace of the Marine Corps, where the first American Flag was stitched, where the Declaration of Independence was signed, home to the late Mac Miller and Punxsutawney Phil.   Buy some Tattered Beans Coffee today!      Cowboy Crickets Sustainable, Montana-raised crickets. Veteran-owned and Ironman approved! Enter promo code VETS to save 15% on all orders.    Fire Team Whiskey An app-based personal fitness and nutrition service geared to help active duty and military veterans take charge of their health with a ketogenic approach to eating. Save 40% on all training plans and coaching, as well as 15% on all keto supplements with the promo code "TRANSITIONS"    Apex Health  Apex health aims to be a mens health clinic that serves you so that you can live the longest, best life possible. At Apex Mens Health, we solve all these problems. Spending as much time with our patients as possible in order to give help them become compliant with a program that really works. Always having Dr. David Lunow to oversee meetings and protocol on-site. Allowing you to buy a month’s worth of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) through our prescribing services so that you don’t have to come in every week. Offering you a personalized diet and exercise program so that your precious testosterone doesn’t go to waste. Giving you the highest grade testosterone available on the market. Schedule a consultation with Apex Health today!   Zealios Zinc-based performance sunscreen along with chlorine-removing hair and skin products. Use the promo code VETS to save 20% on all orders.    Primal Kitchen Healthy, Paleo/Primal/Keto and Vegan condiments, salad dressings, and energy bars that actually taste good! Use the promo code PRIMALVETERAN to save 10% on your order and directly support this show.   Green Wolf Tactical Marine Corps Veteran-owned business specializing in paracord gear, custom embroidery, bracelets, key chains, survival gear, PVC patches, & more. Save 20% on all your orders with the promo code SEMPERFI   Find us on Facebook, Twitter,  Instagram and TransitionsFromWar.com #TFWSTORIES  

Dr. Shauna Springer returns to the show and talks about how we can understand suicide and how to prevent our friends and loved ones from attempting or completing a suicide by taking on this enemy using the same principles of the Marine Rifle Squad. Many times the topic of suicide is discussed with a helpless and morose tone, but this conversation is not that. Doc Springer fills us in on how we can empower ourselves and our friends.   Dr. Springer discusses some of the concepts from her upcoming book, "The Fox in Our Gut" and how the bonds of love forged in war are stronger than the despair we can feel. Doc Springer is the author of "Marriage for Equals" and is a regular contributor to Psychology Today. ========= Support Mike's fundraising for The Ironman Foundation's Gold Star Initiative    ================================   Transitions from War After his service in the United States Marines Corps, Mike Ergo started the Transitions from War blog  and Podcast to talk about his struggles returning from combat in Iraq. From PTSD and addiction to finding endurance sports, Mike has found a new life purpose and a passion to share this with others.     Transitions from War Sponsors:   Tattered Beans Air Force veteran Jason Jean gives us all a win-win situation: getting great coffee and tangibly supporting veterans and first responders. How does this work? Every bag of coffee you buy puts money directly in the pockets of those who serve with no middleman. When you buy coffee through Transitions from War, the money allocated to me will instead go to my fundraising campaign for the Ironman Foundation's Gold Star Initiative. Tattered Beans comes out of Pennsylvania, birthplace of the Marine Corps, where the first American Flag was stitched, where the Declaration of Independence was signed, home to the late Mac Miller and Punxsutawney Phil.   Buy some Tattered Beans Coffee today!       Cowboy Crickets Sustainable, Montana-raised crickets. Veteran-owned and Ironman approved! Enter promo code VETS to save 15% on all orders.    Fire Team Whiskey An app-based personal fitness and nutrition service geared to help active duty and military veterans take charge of their health with a ketogenic approach to eating. Save 40% on all training plans and coaching, as well as 15% on all keto supplements with the promo code "TRANSITIONS"    Apex Health  Apex health aims to be a mens health clinic that serves you so that you can live the longest, best life possible. At Apex Mens Health, we solve all these problems. Spending as much time with our patients as possible in order to give help them become compliant with a program that really works. Always having Dr. David Lunow to oversee meetings and protocol on-site. Allowing you to buy a month’s worth of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) through our prescribing services so that you don’t have to come in every week. Offering you a personalized diet and exercise program so that your precious testosterone doesn’t go to waste. Giving you the highest grade testosterone available on the market. Schedule a consultation with Apex Health today!   Zealios Zinc-based performance sunscreen along with chlorine-removing hair and skin products. Use the promo code VETS to save 20% on all orders.    Primal Kitchen Healthy, Paleo/Primal/Keto and Vegan condiments, salad dressings, and energy bars that actually taste good! Use the promo code PRIMALVETERAN to save 10% on your order and directly support this show.   Green Wolf Tactical Marine Corps Veteran-owned business specializing in paracord gear, custom embroidery, bracelets, key chains, survival gear, PVC patches, & more. Save 20% on all your orders with the promo code SEMPERFI   Find us on Facebook, Twitter,  Instagram and TransitionsFromWar.com #TFWSTORIES

Shauna Springer, Ph.D., is the Senior Director of Suicide Prevention and Post-vention Initiatives at the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors (aka TAPS).  We have been friends for many years.  She is a psychologist who has embedded her life within the military and veteran community. More than any other civilian, Shauna “gets it." She has built a deep trust with hundreds of veterans, and has been permitted, with their blessing, to attend extremely private and sacred ceremonies as the only female among large groups of male veterans.  She has become a part of the Tribe of warriors. How did this come to be? Today we explore some of her personal background in the context of a conversation about what makes someone a warrior and what allows someone who hasn't served in the military to earn the trust of the Tribe. We intended to tape a 30 minute podcast but we ended up talking for nearly two hours - this is one of my favorite conversations - hope you enjoy! *Today Shauna speaks on her own accord and does not do so as a representative of TAPS. These opinions are her own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of TAPS. Links for Doc Springer: TAPS.org Preventing Veteran Suicide- A New Approach to the War on Hopelessness The Reason to Go On After the Military- from Psychology Today Marriage for Equals- (her book available on Amazon) ----------- Sponsors:   Primal Kitchen Healthy, Paleo/Primal/Keto and Vegan condiments, salad dressings, and energy bars that actually taste good! Use the promo code PRIMALVETERAN to save 10% on your order and directly support this show.   Cowboy Crickets Sustainable, Montana-raised crickets. Veteran-owned and Ironman approved! Enter promo code VETS to save 15% on all orders.   Zealios Zinc-based performance sunscreen along with chlorine-removing hair and skin products. Use the promo code VETS to save 20% on all orders.   Green Wolf Tactical Marine Corps Veteran-owned business specializing in Paracord gear, custom embroidery, bracelets, key chains, survival gear, PVC patches, & more. Save 20% on all your orders with the promo code SEMPERFI   Find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram and TransitionsFromWar.com #TFWSTORIES

Dr. Shauna Springer is a graduate of Harvard University and is one of the world's leading experts on PTSD, Trauma, and Moral Injury among veterans. She co-hosts a weekly podcast on these topics in collaboration with MilitaryTimes. Her work has been featured on NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Forbes, Washington Post, and Military Times. She is a regular contributor to Psychology Today. Dr. Shauna Springer is a licensed psychologist and nationally recognized expert on initiatives that benefit the military community. Known as “Doc Springer”, she is a trusted advisor for a vast network of veterans, military families and fellow thought leaders. Her uniquely perceptive insights have helped thousands of warriors reconnect with their tribe, strengthen their relationships, and build lives driven by their values. Dr. Springer’s work has been featured on NPR, NBC, CBS Radio, Military Times and Marine Corps Times. She is co-author of the best-selling book, Beyond the Military , which explores the psychological, cultural and relational aspects of military transition and provides a comprehensive roadmap for successfully navigating life after military service, as well as. WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us. *In This Episode* * Dr. Shauna's website ( https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/ ) * Contact Dr. Shauna ( https://www.docshaunaspringer.com/contact/ ) * Warrior: How to Support Those Who Protect Us ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1732167818/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?creative=9325&creativeASIN=1732167818&ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&linkId=15418c4172dbb809f311d19481cbeccc&tag=wescoatrapro-20 ) , Shauna Spring, PhD * Beyond the Military: A Leader's Handbook for Warrior Reintegration ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1544505574/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?creative=9325&creativeASIN=1544505574&ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&linkId=ea5fa0215ad8e715eb04468089fd24f4&tag=wescoatrapro-20 ) , Shauna Spring, PhD Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-trauma-therapist-podcast-with-guy-macpherson-phd-inspiring-interviews-with-thought-leaders-in-the-field-of-trauma/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Shauna Springer, Ph.D., is the Senior Director of Suicide Prevention and Postvention Initiatives at the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors. Dr. Springer is a licensed Psychologist with an undergraduate degree from Harvard University and a doctoral degree from the University of Florida. She has particular expertise in innovative suicide prevention approaches, moral injury, trauma recovery, close relationships, peer support program development, and veterans' issues, including post-discharge adjustment as well as strategies for engaging Veterans in behavioral health care. Prior to her current role at TAPS, she served as a front-line psychologist in a Department of Veterans Affairs behavioral health clinic. She helped launch the peer support program in her clinic, and continually innovated to better serve the veterans on her caseload. Known to many veterans as “Doc Springer,” she has helped hundreds of warriors reconnect with their tribe, strengthen their most important relationships, and build lives that are driven by their deepest values. Based on the trust she has earned within the veteran community, she has acquired a wealth of knowledge about how our bravest citizens may struggle, and the sacred values and potentially life-saving strategies that may help all of us stay in the fight. Recently, she has been developing training on how to have respectful, effective conversations about lethal means with veterans who own firearms.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-trauma-therapist-podcast-with-guy-macpherson-phd-inspiring-interviews-with-thought-leaders-in-the-field-of-trauma/donationsWant to advertise on this podcast? Go to https://redcircle.com/brands and sign up.