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It's the Netflix comedy from Mindy Kaling starring Kate Hudson that is equal parts glossy, chaotic, and completely addictive. Yep, we’re diving headfirst into Running Point Season 2!It’s a sports show, a family mess, a workplace comedy, and a rom-com experiment all at once — and somehow we’re still fully invested. We unpack why Isla Gordon is such a compelling disaster of a lead, why Season 2 pushes her even further into chaos, and why we can’t decide if we want to be her or run from her.We get into the love triangle that keeps collapsing under its own “perfect vs passion” logic, why Lev stops feeling so perfect this season, and how Coach Jay suddenly becomes a lot more interesting than expected. Plus, the friendship storyline that quietly becomes the emotional centre of the entire season, Cam’s slow villain energy, and the cameos that feel like Mindy Kaling collecting icons for fun.And then there’s that finale — the betrayal, the twist, and the very obvious setup for Season 3 chaos.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From MoMA Mia. Welcome to This Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 00:05Speaker 2 I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm and Benham and welcome to a. 00:08Speaker 1 Very special episode of This Spill. We have been just hanging out to do this since we heard that this show was being made on Netflix, So welcome to our brutally honest review of Running Points Season two. I love this show, me too. 00:24Speaker 2 I love this show so much. 00:25Speaker 3 We talked about it, I think for a week in watch and a bit when the show started in season one when they had season one, but we never did a brially honest review in season one. 00:33Speaker 1 No, I know we didn't mind, Mae, because we did three episodes leading up. Well. 00:36Speaker 3 I think there was also a lot of content happening around the same time, and also not a lot of people were talking about it. I remember we were like, are we the only ones watching this? Because we really wanted to do a brilliant review and we thought not enough people were watching it to be interested in really interview. And then when Netflix put out their numbers for that year and Running Point was so high on the list of being like one of their most watch shows, we were like, oh, we have to do it. 00:59Speaker 2 For season two. 01:00Speaker 1 Yes, and so season two debuted about a week ago and ever since then it's been number one on Netflix in Australia for multiple, multiple days. So we know you crazy kids are watching it because you listen to us. 01:10Speaker 2 Make your last week. 01:11Speaker 1 Yeahs all these running points, super fans, No, I mean I feel like it sells itself. I mean it's a comedy starring Kate Hudson created by Mindy Kaling. Like the show sells itself. 01:20Speaker 2 It's like literally the perfect Vendi. 01:22Speaker 1 Yeah. So that was our initial attraction to the show. Well, when I heard Kate Hudson doing like a proper TV show for the first time comedy, I was in obviously the Mindy Kaling of it all, but also that it was so many of the creative team like Ike Baron Holtz, who co created the show with Mindy Kaling. It was so many of the same creative team from one of our joint favorite TV shows of all time, The MINDI Project. The Mind Guys, if you haven't watched The Mindy Project yet after all these years, what are you doing? 01:53Speaker 3 I even think And this might be an unpopular opinion that like the funniest funniest parts in running point, the show barely even touches the surface of how funny Mindy Project is, But you can so tell which jokes Mindy and Ike have written compared to the other writers on the show, because it's so like, specifically that really smart, quick sense of humor that they had on the Mindy Project. And it's so interesting because I'm looking at Kate's character in this show, she plays Isla Gordon, and I'm like, your character would have fitted perfectly within the Mindy Kayling universe in the Mindy Project. 02:27Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. 02:28Speaker 2 That's the thing. 02:29Speaker 1 Running point is very much I guess, like almost like the Little Sister of the MINDI Project, Like it's it's fun, but it's not. And I say this myself, who as a little sister's it's like great and fun, but just not quite. 02:41Speaker 2 As good as the original. I my younger sister to put it. As an oldest girl, I love that. 02:49Speaker 1 Well. The thing is, I'm not trying to diminish it, but the thing is, like, in my humble opinion, nothing else that Mindy Kaling has come close to being as perfect and hilarious as the MINDI Project. But that's not saying how the work is an incredible. It's like the MINDI project is like lightning at a bottle, Like you can't recreate it, you can't move it over to other projects. It's just like that bar is like in the Heaven. 03:11Speaker 3 It's like perfect humor, perfect storyline, perfect cast. 03:15Speaker 1 But it doesn't mean her other TV shows aren't great. It's like that's a special thing all of itself. So in season one, we were introduced to the Gordon family and the character of Isla Gordon, who was played by Kate Hudson, who's based on a real woman who took over Do you not know that? 03:28Speaker 3 I feel like I kind of I think you told me in season one and I had the same reaction. 03:33Speaker 1 Like what, I actually love this that I can tell you the same facts like multiple times and you'll give me a great reaction each time. 03:40Speaker 3 Because I think the first time you told me, I was like, oh, yeah, she's based on the Murdoch family, like Terry Boys. 03:46Speaker 1 Well, yeah, based on a woman who took over a family NBA team and like rows up the ranks to be like a really high like player in the National Basketball League in America, But a lot of it is fictionalized in terms of like all the party of girls stuff, brother going to jail, little legitimate child, like, all that stuff is just like a Mindy Kaling oh creation. So in season when we introduced to Aila Gordon, who I loved. She's like a messed up party girl heiress who was always just kind of on the outs of this extreme family business of owning this LA basketball team. And when her oldest brother Cam played by Justin Threw, and Justin Throw he loves a quirky role. Yeah, he's so good at them, just like he did the same thing in Devils prior to He's done the same thing so many times of the year. 04:30Speaker 2 But he has such like a serious demeanor. 04:33Speaker 1 Yeah, he looks so serious. He looks like a brooding heart. 04:36Speaker 2 He's really serious and scary. 04:37Speaker 1 And inside is just a little quirky character actor just waiting to get out. So he went to rehab and there was all this terrible stuff. 04:44Speaker 2 So that's not Justin Throw his character. Yeah, although maybe his method I don't know. 04:48Speaker 1 I don't know what he does in his spare time, probably running point method for imagine. 04:53Speaker 2 Telling the police. 04:54Speaker 1 I just I'm in this Many Kaling show. I started to my character, He's like, you guys, get it right, like absolutely not, You're going to jail. So we saw Eila take over the family business and have to kind of like prove herself to her brothers and also the basketball team. 05:09Speaker 2 And at the same time, she was. 05:11Speaker 1 In a relationship with lev played by Max Greenfield, who I love and adore so much. 05:16Speaker 3 His character is so similar to his character and your girl. 05:20Speaker 1 Oh really, I think opposite? 05:22Speaker 2 No way, How are they? How are they similar? 05:25Speaker 1 Because both love green juice. Okay, you're just that's literally every white man in LA. 05:31Speaker 3 They're both they're both obsessed with their partner, like he's obsessed. 05:34Speaker 1 With her, Yeah, but in a different way like he he Schmidt because if you haven't seen you girl, also, if you haven't seen you girl, also what are you doing? 05:41Speaker 2 So many recommendations? 05:42Speaker 1 That is also a top top tier comedy. Here's character of Schmidt on that is just one of those breakout stars from like one of those ensemble comedies that is like such a kind of like an individual thing that can't be recreated. Whereas Levins, like he does have that same kind of lovable energy. I guess that Schmidt does. But I think that's just Screenfield in general, because and hiss like a little smile. Again, that's just Max Greenfield's face, because whatever, Schmid's so like neurotic. 06:09Speaker 2 Yeah, but I feel like, you know, I'm gonna stick to my guy. Okay, you similar like. 06:14Speaker 3 I when I was watching him in Running Point, I'm like, I couldn't take Schmid out of my head. Maybe that's just because he is that character. 06:21Speaker 1 Yeah, well he does kind of create that character. 06:24Speaker 3 And like when you watch New Girl, it's hard to like separate them both. Yeah, but I do think he was perfectly cast for this role. 06:31Speaker 1 Well, the thing is, they wanted her love interest to kind of like again be a bit out of like this like every other all the other men in the show, like a bit douchey but also really power, like hungry with secrets and stuff. And Lev is meant to be sort of like this outside world of like an opposites of track, like iile agorded as this rich, kind of messed up woman who is also like a big theme of also season two was like she's a bad person, which is, you know, the whole kind of like thing that we see her go through, and Lev was kind of like this all too good to be true, nice doctor who cares about his family and cares about her and gives her second chances and like makes her coffee in the morning, and it's just always there in the background. And that's a very common rom com trope, which indicating loves to take a rom com troop and like put it in the show, but then like play off it in a bigger storyline because it's his idea of like, this is the perfect guy, but I'm not in love with him, as we find out in this season, and I can't force on paper he's perfect, but there's no like fire, yeah, which. 07:28Speaker 3 We kind of saw towards the end of season one where she kisses Jay like coach j Coach also very hot and attractive, but it was one of those storylines where you weren't like overtly rooting for them because Lev is such a good guy as well, yeah, and you like love them both so much, so it was very much like up to I guess her discretion on what she would do, and the audience would just like back whatever decision she made. And then I think that's where like season one ended, was her kissing Jay after Jay announcid he's moving to Boston and leaving the team, as well as us finding out that Justin Thurrow's character Cam is not as good as he seems. 08:10Speaker 1 Yes, because you thought at the in season one that he had, even though he'd done some bad things, that he had picked Eyelight to take over the family business because he really believed believe her. He was giving her a chance. It's only because he thought she would fail huge plot twists. In fact, Mindy Kayling said recently that they put a huge amount of cliffhangers at the end of season one of Running Point, because she's like, You've got to do that on a Netflix show. You've got to fill the last episode with cliffhangers so that the people at Netflix are forced to go, oh, okay, we'll do a second season then. And I was like, Mindy Kelling, just so you know, that only works for you. Yeah, when you have a TV show starring Kate Hudson. Do you know how many shows Netflix cancels famously, things like. 08:50Speaker 2 The Society mind Hunters. Yeah, exactly. They ruined people's lives. 08:55Speaker 1 They don't care if there's a plot twist at the end, they will cancel that shit. Even if either you end on the biggest plot twist ever and everyone's like oh again, like a society, they'll just be like cut sorry, it's good. Sorry. Sometimes Mindy Kelly doesn't know her privilege. 09:09Speaker 2 Oh my god, she's. 09:10Speaker 1 Out there being like me, playing a fun little game Netflix this little thing. 09:15Speaker 2 Yeah. 09:15Speaker 1 So again, that's why they ended season two on a plot twist that we'll get to because is like it's probably gonna get picked up, but it's at the time of recording, it's not official, but Mindy Kellings knows what she's doing. 09:26Speaker 2 It has to be a picked up. It will be. It has to be. 09:29Speaker 1 You don't cancel Kate Hudson's show. Ah, so we pick up in season two. 09:35Speaker 3 Yeah, we pick up in season two with Cam having been out of rehab and surprising the family. He's back in their office and he's like sitting in the islids like now, I guess his old office and that has made her own, and he asks for his job back now because she CEO. She's like, are you okay with working under me? 09:55Speaker 1 And he's huge when you're the big brother and like the patriarch of the family. 09:59Speaker 2 Exactly, and he was like yes, yes, yes, And then her other brothers are so excited to have him back. 10:05Speaker 3 And the beginning, we just see like Cam trying to merge himself with the family while also the audience know that he's not there on good terms for himself, Like we know he has like this underlining message he wants to like delivered to them, and we're trying. 10:17Speaker 2 To figure out what his play is. Yeah. 10:19Speaker 1 Yeah. 10:19Speaker 3 At the same time anyway, as that's happening, we also are with Eiler while she tries to find a new coach for their team, which is actually so funny, Like I found all the interview processes I did for the coaches were so funny. Ray Romano, Yeah kill that role. 10:39Speaker 1 I know, so good and so funny the way he because he was talking about getting the role when you're very Romano like he's just so humble, but also he knows his worth. He's like, my people told me that Mindy Kayling you want to be for a role, and I was like, yeah, I know him, Mindy Kaling, she's funny, I'll do it. And then he's it's so funny because he's also like I guess people just think he's just a bit of a comedy kind of person, but he's also like white an actory actor. Yeah, he's like, no, no, but normally I have to because apparently they're like, oh great, we're shooting next week. So he got the call and they booked him and they're like, oh great, so be on set next week. And he was like, wait, an actor needs time to prepare. He's like I usually like because I give myself a backstory and I think about it and I do research and. 11:15Speaker 2 All this topic. 11:16Speaker 1 I was like, oh my god, Ray Romano preparing for his roles is like someone make a documentary about that. 11:21Speaker 2 It's so bad. 11:22Speaker 3 And then like Ike Barnhost is probably like, this is a Mindy Kaling show. 11:25Speaker 2 You don't need to be doing. 11:26Speaker 1 So apparently he started researching like famous NBA coaches. And it's even weird that even I know this name, Greg Popovich, who was the San Antonio Spur, like a famous coach. 11:36Speaker 2 I don't know this. 11:37Speaker 1 Why don't it must have been it must have been referenced in like movies or something. Probably I didn't know what team he was and I've just heard that name. Maybe it's one of those names because he How many famous coaches are they? I'm sure in America heaps, but how many famous coaches names get used in TV? 11:50Speaker 2 Shows and movies. 11:51Speaker 1 That's true, so he modeled himself off him. Oh and that's a fun fact for the sports fans. And I just will clarify that's the last fun sports factor. 11:58Speaker 2 Okay, no sports fact. I had my mind and I just used it. I loved his character. 12:03Speaker 3 I love that his character had the potential to be so serious, but then the other characters pull him out of it. Like there's so many points where he tries to bring up his late wife who passed away, and all the other characters is like, we. 12:16Speaker 2 Don't have to. They're like, yeah, for your wife, caresn for your wife. Let's go. 12:21Speaker 1 I know. It's so funny because the thing is he does sentimental so well. So he has all those like when he comes in for his meeting, like he has all these like kind of bumbling moments. But then when you see like, yeah, he tells a story about his late wife, but then also knowing that he left his playbook behind. And I love the thing between him and Marcus where AILA's like you have to make him feel like your main girl. Raymond is like, I know his name's not Raymond over, you don't He's like, yeah, I get it. 12:45Speaker 2 I get it. 12:45Speaker 3 Like Marcus, You're my main girl, and Marcus is like, who's like the star player, He's like okay. 12:50Speaker 1 Gets thrown off the court to look after him. So yeah, there's a lot of kind of movement in the team and in the business as they kind of start putting the new team together, getting a coach, and also looking towards the playoffs. Yeah, sports jargon. 13:02Speaker 3 The best thing about Mindy Kaling shows and Running Point does this so well is like there's always a female lead, Like all her shows have a female lead, and that female lead has at least five problems happening at the same time exactly. So you're seeing like this really beautiful, put together woman just have these like frantic moments of all of these things happening in her life. Like she's having to deal with a new coach, she's a sponsorship with the team, her love life is in perils, she has to plan a wedding, best friend Ali is trying to join a different team. 13:32Speaker 1 Yeah, so she's got all of these. 13:33Speaker 3 Things happening and they're all snowballing into each other exactly, and like it's only specific type of person can do those roles, which is why I'm so glad Kate Hudson is like the main character of that role because I feel like all the leading women in Mindy Kaling's projects have been the best at that type of person. 13:49Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Mindy Hellings. 13:51Speaker 2 It's such a specific thing. 13:52Speaker 1 I can't even describe a Mindy Kayalen leading lady, but I would say fashionably dressed, yeah, running somewhere, dropping things, spilling a coffee and having a hand. 14:00Speaker 2 It's a man treat. 14:00Speaker 1 Her badly but also be in love with her. That's because Mindy Kaling is like, she is a die hard romantic comedy fan. She's watched every romantic comedy, study them, she used to watch them over and over again as a kid, and she just wanted to live in one so badly that she created the Mindi Project, which is just a TV series that's one big, long romantic comedy set in New York. But the twist is the character would never be in a traditional rom com because she's an awful person and famously rom com women are like in a lot of the old school rom coms are just like they're clutch in sweet, but sometimes a little bit bland and sometimes not quite like they're Yeah, they never do the wrong thing because rom COM's taught us like you have to kind of be a bit perfect and like the man will eventually realize he's actually in love with you plot. 14:46Speaker 3 Twist and it's a really cute and like mousey yeah, and like her co worker is like calling her big l. 14:54Speaker 2 She's like, I'm not big, al I'm a tiny age and they're like, yeah, you are big. I'm wasting away. 15:00Speaker 1 And that's the thing about the MINDI character and the MINDI project is like she's so unlikable and that's why she made her a doctor because she's like, oh, this woman's gotta have unlikeable in the best way possible. 15:10Speaker 2 We love her. 15:11Speaker 1 It's just like a traditional Romcom lady wouldn't be pulling the stunt set. Actually Lindy pulls in that show. And so she made her a doctor because she's like, oh my god, this one's gotta have one like kind of redeeming thing about her. Even if sometimes she's like, oh you do have insurance, she's like, oh, you're gonna do it tonight and lost at home. 15:31Speaker 2 Watch. 15:32Speaker 1 So she's not the doctor you'd call, but I guess if she was there, she would. 15:35Speaker 2 Yeah. 15:36Speaker 1 So I like characters kind of meant to be that, And I love that she does have this redemption where she does decide to try and be a better person, but she's still a bit of a shitty person all the way through. And I love that about her because if she had this complete personality change, it wouldn't work. 15:51Speaker 3 It wouldn't work, and it also just wouldn't be good content. Like you want to kind of like have this like push and pull against the main character where it's like a very clever way of writing a main character where everything about them you hate, but you're rooting for them so hard. 16:06Speaker 1 Yeah, And I'm always rooting Foriler, except every time she says I'm a bad person, I'm like, yeah, girl, yeah, but not a bad person, just a bad person. And just like when they show them montage of her doing bad things like stealing a sandwich or stopping a chair and stuff, and they're just like, yeah, that's weird. 16:20Speaker 2 Love that I've never changed. 16:22Speaker 1 The biggest sign to me they were trying this season to kind of paint her as someone who used to be a bad person is trying to get better is the fact that they point out that before she met Ali, she never had a female friend is like you just know as a girl, that's the worst thing you can say to another girl. It's like you're not a girl's girl. Women don't like you. And usually in a movie and TV show, that's the biggest red flag for a character like that would be the villain, not the main character. 16:47Speaker 2 That's so true, and they really showcase that with It makes you think about season one. 16:52Speaker 3 You're like, oh, yeah, I guess she's like so successful in this world because you would see I guess quote unquote past shots of her like bringing her friends into the basketball stadium and stuff, but you never really see the friends. 17:04Speaker 2 Yeah. You always just see her hanging out. 17:06Speaker 3 In the locker rooms with the players and like her dad and her brothers and stuff like that. But you like don't hear about her mum or any other women in her life besides Allie, who's honestly, Brenda's song is like amazing in this it was only because they had to live together in Uni, so like their friendship was kind of forced upon each other. Yeah, but then like Alie literally becomes her person. 17:29Speaker 1 Yeah, And I do love that because it's also saying like, yeah, this is that woman that you get warned about that. And again, we know so many of those women who hang out with their family or their partner and that's it. Yeah, and they're kind of stuck in that world because and that's the interesting thing about the Gordon family in this is they are that very specific family that everyone knows a family like this where they're kind of all terrible and they hate each other, but they just don't have anyone else. Yeah, so they have to Gordon family, always coming back together and having each other's backs, like, oh, it's us or nothing. 17:57Speaker 2 Yeah, that's so true and I love that. 17:59Speaker 1 And yeah, again, Eiler is that very specific character where she's just like, girls don't like me, and yeah, we sometimes see her with a group of friends, but it's very specifically that thing of like party friends. 18:08Speaker 2 Yeah, like you can like a rich people friends. 18:10Speaker 1 Rich people friends where you know, like Isla Gordon's got the bottle service, she's got the table, she's gonna like you can take her car there, you know what I mean. Like she's those people like I'm sure half those girls don't even have her number and she doesn't know their names. They're just like her party girlfriends that latched onto her when she was like young in. 18:26Speaker 3 Her ghost clubs, which is why I like the friendship episode with Alie started off so strong with showing their backstory of how they became friends, and then we find out that Ali has been asking for a promotion. Firstly, asking for a promotion from your best friend must be like insane. 18:41Speaker 1 Yeah, when your best friend becomes your boss, which is something that happens in workplaces because you bond and become friends with the people. 18:47Speaker 2 Especially for the only two women working in that workplace. 18:50Speaker 1 And she has become like part of the family to an extent, and you can see that in the way like Ness and Cam to an extent, but he's a bit evil. But like how like Kness and Sandy have a back and forth with her, Like it's very brother sister. Yeah, like they're so mean to her, but they're only mean to her because they kind of treat her like Isler and they call her out and stuff. 19:07Speaker 2 It's very brotherly. 19:08Speaker 3 Also equals, right, Yeah, it was like her and Ali aren't exactly equals when it comes to that like hierarchy of power, which is why when Alie said that she's going to Canada, Yeah, she's going to Canada because she got a new opportunity that has more money, and like Ila's team could not pay her the same amount, and Eila just couldn't like work out why she was leaving, and she was like, you're leaving because you hate me, and al He's like, if you're a good friend, you'd congratulate me. 19:36Speaker 2 Yeah, And it just shows that, like how she's. 19:38Speaker 3 Just been living in that world a privilege for so long. Yeah, that like I think it was the first time that Eyler realized that Alie is not on her level. 19:46Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And also because it was so interesting how their like flashback scenes of them as college roommates set up their dynamic of the fact that Allie was the first person who didn't give a crap that she was Isla Gordon or Isla Gordon, and she's like, hey, Islam who didn't kind of give a crap that she was this rich, like party girl, that she came from a well known family and just well she didn't like her at first, which is in the chasing there was a classic like you know, opposite and then they watched slowly become friends that scene where they're crying together watching a movie and it and they're like he can't see without these glasses, and it flashes to my girl is so good, especially because Macaulay Culkin wanted a bigger part this season and he only got for anyone who doesn't know, I'm sure people do, but Macaulay Culkin is Brenda Song's partner and they have two children together and madly, madly in love. 20:40Speaker 3 And they're also both massive basketball fans, every single and she's. 20:45Speaker 2 A bigger fan than him. 20:46Speaker 1 Do you know that once in the Lakers game she had to be hospitalized because she was watching the game and she became so like fraught watching it, and then she took a sip of water and they scored, and then she was like, oh my god, you have like sports people are very superstitious, and they're like, if I won this day, I've got to wear the same underwear or drive the same way to work, or like put the same stick on or whatever it is. And she was like, oh my god, every time they should have just so she was hyperventilating and taking a sip of water to help them score, to the point where she like nearly stopped breathing and had to go to the emergency room. 21:12Speaker 2 Brenda song Man just just a girl, just a girl who loves it. 21:15Speaker 3 Was so funny when I was watching the like part of the promo for this season. Yeah, Kate Hudson and Brenda Song had to go to a few NBA games and sit like in the like celebrity see, like on the court and like Brenda songs like jumping up and down and like. 21:29Speaker 2 Yelling at the players and pointing, and you can hear Kate Hudson just sitting next to her and she's just like, you're crazy. Yeah, she was like, I didn't sign up at this level of promo. 21:38Speaker 1 And so when they went to that movie and crying, it's cute because that's Brenda Song's partner or pot we culked, and he gets a few little cameos in, but like he was gunning. Apparently he was gunning for a big partner, like we'll see you next season. So that's cute. So yes, so we see there's this whole story about like a headhunter's in town. Yes, this headhunter who's going to come and take the team away. 21:56Speaker 2 Did you recognize him? 21:57Speaker 1 I did, reckon absolutely, I really jumped off my chair because guys, he's from the MINDI Project. He's so in the fans. So the actor's name is Tommy Dewey and he plays Magnus in Running Points. So he's from the Toronto Trappers. I'm sure if that's a real team, and do you know what, I don't think it is, and I decided not to look it up because I didn't. 22:18Speaker 2 Want to ruin the magic yea. 22:20Speaker 1 And so he's called the Poacher, So he was, And there's just that was actually quite a good plot twist because they're like, they thought he was coming to take a player from their team, and then he wasn't. And so it cuts to the Gordon siblings and they're like, but if it wasn't for that, why was he here? And then it cuts to him offering her this job? 22:36Speaker 3 And isn't it so funny that that was his exact character in The MINDI Project. 22:40Speaker 2 He like managed an NBA team and he would be at all these parties. 22:44Speaker 1 No Mindy Kayling knows what she's doing. So yeah, he played Josh in The MINDI Project and he was one of Mindy Kayling's many love interests. But he had a couple of seasons up, yeah, and then he left when his girlfriend showed up, played by Ellie Kemper, who is Mindy Kaling's very good friend and a coast on the off and he was dating the Tools at the same time, and they have this massive fight, remember when she has to handcuff Midy Kelly handcuffs Ellie Kemper. But I always remember him from one of the very best scenes ever in the MINDI Project, where she goes, oh, after they've like woken up together. She goes, Oh, let me throw on your shirt. 23:18Speaker 2 It'll be so over I was talking about. She's like, oh, let me throw on your shirt. 23:25Speaker 1 It'll be so oversized on me because I'm so dainty to be so sexy. She puts on like fits perfectly, but just a little snug. Then he's like, what happened to my jeans? He puts on her jeans and again they fit. 23:38Speaker 2 And he was like, oh they fit me, and she starts screaming. 23:40Speaker 1 She's like it was so it's the funniest thing ever. And it's because like in your head, you're just like I'm living in a rom com in the rear. It's just like, absolutely not. 23:51Speaker 2 I love that. Let me put this on to be so dainty. 23:54Speaker 1 And so that's his whole character, is that he offers Allie this job that she can't turn down, and that causes that huge falling out between Ali and Isla. And it's the worst falling out of the show because, as we know, like falling up the family member, fine ya, falling up the love interest encouraged fully out of your best friend, especially when you've aready got one. 24:13Speaker 3 Oh heart breaking, heartbreaking, And they really pushed that storyline because I'm just gonna say it. 24:20Speaker 2 Alie was in Toronto for way too long. What she's there for one episode? No, it felt way too okay, Like she fully. I was like, oh my god, Isla, stop her at the door, stop her? Oh okay, and then she's like fully in a different country. She had to go. Actually, they made it so dark. 24:34Speaker 3 There's dark and gloomy and blue, and the poacher only cared about what Isla thought of her leaving. 24:41Speaker 2 Did Eila crime, She's scream. 24:44Speaker 1 So I thought it needed more of a build up than which they would just I thought the whole Gordon in my head, this is the note I had in my head. The whole Gordon family would just fall apart without her not realizing that she was the lynch pin or not holding the entire company together, because I do think that's true, and also holding the family together, and all these boys who are mean to her and had taken her for granted would also go with Island to apologize to her. That was my fantasy, which happened, But it was enough when Ilan went. It was enough when Island and they had their friendship moment and She's. 25:13Speaker 2 Like, how did you get in here? 25:15Speaker 1 It's no small planes. 25:16Speaker 2 Did you fly commercial? 25:18Speaker 1 You're like, yeah, that is the whip put in near the bathroom. That is the world we're dealing with. And at the same time as all that's happening, Cam is slowly but surely being the super villain of the season. 25:30Speaker 3 Oh I love him though, justin Thrower, he's so funny in this. So we find out that Cam is trying to take back his place as CEO, and he's doing it through like very discreete insidious ways where he's slowly trying to make decisions on behalf of Isler. Like firstly he tried to hire his own coach and was just saying, this is what we're doing now, and Isla was like, no, we're not doing that. And then he tried to get his own sponsor on and Isla was like. 25:57Speaker 1 No, which his own sponsor our fly? Can I give him a shout out? 26:01Speaker 2 Yeah? 26:01Speaker 1 Because do you know who that is? Yes, that is one of my favorite actors of all time. 26:04Speaker 2 That is Ken Marino. Where he's your favorite actor just in so many. 26:08Speaker 1 Things, so funny, so funny. So he plays a really iconic role in for Roddi Kamas. He's the rival private investigator to Rodi Kammas and her dad. 26:18Speaker 2 Just so funny. That's just so weird. Yeah, a lot of the times. So he's always like kind of like and again he's just he always plays like a goofy bad guy. 26:25Speaker 1 He plays like he always plays like the worst person who's also secretly hilarious. So when I saw him pop up, I was like, well, dog mindy Kayley. And he was also in that like iconic series like Party Down. 26:34Speaker 2 Yeah, he's just in Brooklyn, My night. 26:36Speaker 1 Yeah he's been You look for a really good comedy show and he's in it. He's like one of those comedy actors who just like everyone calls him to be in their show. So when he rocked up, I'm like, now we're going Now this is a show. 26:48Speaker 2 Now this is. 26:48Speaker 3 Happening when he rocked up too, because he sponsors the company on behalf of toilets. 26:54Speaker 1 Yeah, so he owns a toilet company. No, No, he's a he's I guess he does all the in the stadium. He owns like a toilet company that installs. Yeah, that owns all the pipes and toilets and stuff like that. So and he's a season ticket holder. 27:08Speaker 2 Yeah. And he's obsessed with the team. 27:10Speaker 1 And so he donates money to them and stuff. 27:12Speaker 3 And he keeps wanting more and more and more, and they're like, no, no, no, you can't sit courtside that You're not a celebrity, you're just a billionmaire. 27:20Speaker 1 And then he becomes like a co conspirator with Kim. 27:23Speaker 3 He does, and they become buddy buddy. At the same time, Eiler is trying to get their existing sponsor to stay on, so they have. 27:32Speaker 2 A family basketball playoff. 27:35Speaker 1 Okay, I freaking loved this. 27:38Speaker 2 Oliver Hudson. 27:41Speaker 1 No, that's so because it was because there wasn't inter you with Kate Hudson. They were saying, like, oh, Ali should have been in there because she's practically family, and Kate Hudson's like, no, I know, but like the rule was so clearly that they had to be family, and she's like to the point where we got my real life family in there. So that is her brother Oliver Hudson and I weirdly know so much about their sibling dynamic because they have a siblings podcast. 28:02Speaker 2 They do have a podcast. You listen to it, No, because it's wild. 28:06Speaker 1 I don't think Hate's been on it for a really long time because she's booked and busy now. 28:09Speaker 2 But there was a great he's just soloing it. 28:12Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes he solos. He did a really good episode with Blake Lively sister where they're justalking about a siblings are more famous than us? 28:18Speaker 2 Oh, I mean I like that younger brother Wyatt. 28:21Speaker 1 No, because why it's also working. 28:24Speaker 2 You know what he's working on What Monarch? Your favorite show? 28:30Speaker 1 So they have to have this family basketball thing because they have to have a thing over the rent of a stadium to this other basketball family. 28:37Speaker 2 No, it's a hockey fan. 28:39Speaker 1 Sorry, please forgive me. 28:41Speaker 3 It's a hockey family who are like wanting to invest in that who in that space. So they're like rivaling and they had like this weird bet going on. What's funny is that Oliver husband's playing for the other family. 28:52Speaker 1 Yeah, because he's playing a different thing. 28:53Speaker 2 Which is so funny because then they bring in Barrett Hole. 28:56Speaker 1 Oh my god, can we talk me that for a second. So again, finally I've been waiting for him to get on my screen. Yeah, exactly, because he was on the MINDI Project with Mindy Kley and they have a great professional relationship together where they create together and he is the co creator, co writer all the things of writing point and they had been talking for a while about if they would co star, if they would like make a cameo, would they act on it, because up until then they were like no, no, no, we're just behind the scenes. And then I said he started to get really kind of just being like, oh, I want to be on the screen. 29:27Speaker 2 I want to be in the because he wants to. 29:28Speaker 1 Be like famous, cause he's already famous and he's like in the studio and stuff. But he more SOO was getting jealous of the actors because they're think such a good time. Than he found out the actors had a text chain that was just for the actors, and every time he saw the message on it, he was like, I want to get in on that, and so in his mind he was like, what if I played the coach of a rival basketball team and I had a love affair with Kate Hudson, And what about that dynamic? It's a will they won't they? And Mindy Kaling said, yeah, or you play their cousin and you're the. 29:58Speaker 2 Dumbest person in the world. And so that is he plays. 30:03Speaker 1 Their cousin, and he's just so creepy and wonderful. He plays his exact character as Morgan, but with a slight he's like, he said, from his point of view, he was playing it like this cousin character has sexual tension with his cousin Aila. So he's like, just in his head, just so gross. And he said, there's a scene where his character, I can't even think of his name. I just think of him as like his Eyke Baron in this Cousin Ike. And there's a scene where he comes over to massage Kate Hudson's shoulders, and he wanted to make her freaked out every time because she's meant to be repulsed by it, which is like fair enough, she's meant to repulse by it, And so every time he did it, he would dip his hands in like a little bit of warm water, so when he went over, his hands were warm and wet. 30:46Speaker 2 And that's why I'm in And. 30:47Speaker 1 The first time she did it, she went ah, And that's the take. That's why she looks so freaked out. 30:51Speaker 2 That's so funny, but you can malage you mention it. I have like on the. 30:55Speaker 3 Basketball in that basketball scene where like he's like dying on the ground and he's like, I help me up, but she just walks me. 31:02Speaker 2 So gross. 31:02Speaker 1 Also, can we talk about, sorry, I'm not feeling the sexual tension between her and the coach of the one she ends up with. Can I tell you who she had wild sexual tension with? Is Scott's Speedman? 31:13Speaker 2 Yeah? 31:14Speaker 1 The actor Scott Speedman. I mean not what the actor. The actor is Scott Speedsman, but he plays the head of the rival family that they and their sexual tension so horeririble. I love Mindy Kelling so much because he's a real nineties early two thousand's heart throm and that's exactly when she would have been in her like, I don't I've seen him before, really, Scott Speedman a little show called Felicity. 31:39Speaker 2 I haven't watched it. 31:41Speaker 1 What I know underworld movies, other things, he's been what's okay, Wow, that was so her fe. 31:47Speaker 2 I've seen him in Running Point. 31:48Speaker 1 I think he's on Greasy Anatomy right now playing meritiths love interest right now. Yeah, right now, he's just going between shows being a love interest, because that's what Scott Speedman does. He's the ultimate love interest. He comes on the screen and everyone like, that's who you fall in love with. He does actually play a bad boy like this. 32:03Speaker 3 Though, that is quite likely and it's not just a bad boy, but he's like I don't know, like when that scene where like her car has a flat tire, Yeah, and then he starts like flirting with her a bit to get butterflies. 32:16Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the thing. They have such good sexual chemistry and sometimes you just can't will that into existence there it's not So I want him to come on next season when season three inevitably happens, and be the love interest for her, because now we've got tension, now we've got stakes. And also I can read Mindy Kayaling like a book, mostly because I wrote all her books multiple times, and I know that she loves will they won't they enemies to love the story. 32:43Speaker 2 Her whole MINDI project was all will they won't they? 32:45Speaker 1 Yeah? Because the MINDI Oh my god, you know how the other day I said to you, Bridget Jones is based on pride and prejudice. Yes, do you know that the MINDI Project is also based on pride? I know that, Thank gosh, Oh my god, embarrassing. I'm like your mind you just pass away. If anyone's listened to that an episode or seeing that video that went quite via, Oh my god, Emily loses her mind because she didn't know that Bridgittan's Diary was based on briden Bridge. 33:11Speaker 2 Go look at the video on our Instagram page. You can fight with everyriend in the comments. 33:14Speaker 1 Everyone who's like opened the schools. So I loved that, and like all the cameos this year was so good. The other cameo I loved before we move on to the downfall of Eiler in Love, which is the next moment after this, The other cameo I loved and again and Mindy Kelly and I are the same. 33:28Speaker 2 Person is Nicole Richie. Oh my god, yes, I forgot I was in there. 33:33Speaker 1 Nicole Richie is such an elusive being. 33:35Speaker 2 She's really good in it. 33:37Speaker 1 No, she's good. She If anybody who doesn't know the I mean, you know who Nicole Richie is. 33:41Speaker 2 If you don't, it's hard to. 33:42Speaker 1 Explain unless you were there, unless you're a teen girl or a young woman in the early two thousands, it's hard to explain the power of Nicole Richie because for a long time there she was the ultimate girl, the ultimate taste maker. And unfortunately it did happen after she lost a huge amount of weight and also committed a few crimes. Yeah, drug beast, and then went to court, went to jail all those things. Was one of those jail you know, like for a while that like Chloe Kardashi and Lindsay Low and Nicole Richie all in jailed. 34:15Speaker 3 Like me, and they all had like these dark gray underbags, but like smiling and. 34:19Speaker 1 They take their mugshots. So she went through a lot of shit. She went through a lot of shit, which she's been opened about. But then she became this glamorous fashion it girl, and she was in the whole like Rachel Zoe co hole. She was. Yeah, she was a zobot and dressed in a very specific way, but everything about her she wasn't a manufactured it girl, like she was the old cool it girl. Like everyone got a rosary beat. I mean, not me, but if my mum would let me, I would have. She has a rosary beat around her and cool tattooed falling down to her foot. Coolest thing ever she wore, like all the headbands that she used to tie on her hair. I used to do that and I used to also, and I lived in Townsville, so what was I doing. I used to lay in necklaces like herd okay leggings and the like kind of like lacy singlet tops and the massive handbags. 35:05Speaker 2 And it was such a moment. 35:07Speaker 1 And even when she had her kids and she named her daughter like Harlow Winter Kate Madden, and I was like, why is that the coolest baby name? Now she goes by Kate, which I actually find disrespectful. 35:18Speaker 2 Kate, Yeah, that's so many other names. 35:20Speaker 1 And then girl, I'm like, imagine being called Harlow Winter Kate and being like going to school and being like call me Kate. 35:26Speaker 2 I would say, no offense. My sister's name is Kate. I just like that. 35:29Speaker 1 I remember when that name Everyone's like, that is the coolest name. I've ever heard, and now she has like the jewelry brand, the fashion business and stuff because people just still want to look like Nicole Richie to this day. And I was never sure if she was a good actress. But then she did a guest in on the show he was obsessed with called Chuck, where she played like this evil got that she only like for oneiso. Okay, she played the evil high school nemesis of the lead girl, and she was so funny and good on it, so I feel like, but she doesn't do anything like that anymore. So the fact that she came in did a cameo for Running Point was so good and again played a nemesis one episode. 36:00Speaker 2 Oyah, she's so good. 36:02Speaker 1 And that I was like, Mindy Kayling, I just again, I get you. Mindy Tayling's like I want the heartthrow I grew up with and the cool girl I grew up with in my show. 36:09Speaker 2 Yes, that's so true. Okay, moving on to the. 36:15Speaker 1 The ill fated wedding of Eiler and Love. Did you think they were going to get married? I thought I had seen obviously there's stills of her trying on the wedding dress, so I thought we were actually getting a wedding. 36:26Speaker 2 Well, the wedding was such like a subplot. 36:29Speaker 3 Yeah, I feel like this whole season her romantic life was a subplot, Like it wasn't the biggest thing that was going on. If it was happening in season one, I feel like there would have been more tension with. 36:38Speaker 1 A wedding happened. 36:39Speaker 3 Yeah, But I didn't really feel the tension of will it won't it at all, Like I completely forgot it was happening until we get to the night before the wedding, which I loved. I love when the brothers got up on stage and did their Scottish Dad. 36:51Speaker 2 It was so good. It was so good. 36:53Speaker 3 And also I think seeing the four of them up there reaffirmed the idea to the audience that it is crazy that she is CEO of the company. 37:01Speaker 1 Yeah, and there's like four guys who are working for her exactly exactly, but it was so well done. 37:07Speaker 3 And then in the at the end where she like opens the ring and sees the ring that Coach Jay had given her for like the for winning and that was like the catalyst of her breaking up with Lev. And that is when Lev says you are a bad person. I know, which is the worst and you can ever say to a significant other. 37:30Speaker 1 And the thing is, I think we'd had this character thread with her. It's like she had done bad things in her past. Sometimes she did bad things now, but she had this guy that was so good and he loved her, so by extension, she too must be good. And I think she was really hanging on to that, and that's why she was pushing forward the wedding and everything. And also there's so many jokes. They don't say how old she is, but Kate Hudson is late forties, and so the character you've got to think his late thirties or early forties. You know what that means in a rom coom in life at any time, but especially in her realm, they're like, girl, get married, what's wrong with you? 38:04Speaker 2 And so she's also got. 38:05Speaker 1 This thing of is like she's like, I need to marry this man because he's good and he's so different to all the terrible men I'm surrounded with my family, like love them, but like her brother's open and her dad. 38:13Speaker 2 Was an awful person, and her mum. 38:15Speaker 1 By all accounts like, but she's like, I'm marrying this good guy, so I'm different to you, and I'm finally doing the right thing after being a washed up party girl for so many years, that I'm finally doing the right thing by getting married and letting all of that go was like a huge character arc for her, and a much bigger character art than getting married, I think, because it was her letting go of everything that made her good and right and having to just be like, and I'm just gonna be this new person I am who tries to do the right thing but still steals the sandwich. 38:42Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah. 38:43Speaker 3 And you can tell, like in that breakup that they're having where I was like meant to be a conversation. He when he says I think you might be a bad person, he knows, like that's the worst thing he could say he could say to her, because he's known like forever. She just wanted to prove that she was a good person, and like he knew that would be like the final thing and then he blocked her on. 39:03Speaker 1 Into which again, the worst thing you can do is you can do and say this. But I understand again I'm saying from a storytelling point of view, because Minny Kaylene, like she knows in her head she's got that third season, and just for the rom com premise to work around this basketball show, she needs to be single so that she can have the back and forth with the coach, so she can hopefully have the back and forth with Scott Speedman and she can you know, having her like happily married doesn't fit with where this story needs to go. So then we get into the final act, which is cam Like showing his hand that he's also back on drugs and using Jackie for his urine. 39:35Speaker 2 Jackie, he says that whole thing. 39:37Speaker 1 So we obviously we got not as much Jackie this season. We had the whole subplot with the dancers. I like that, which she was like, I'm like, I'm sorry, is this a Dallas cheerleaders documentary? 39:46Speaker 2 I don't know where they got that? 39:47Speaker 3 Plus and also so fair, And then we got to see Kate hasn't dance. 39:51Speaker 1 Yeah, so so funny about that because she said that was the scene that she was the most nervous about, was dancing with the cheerleaders. And she's a trained dancer because she's all saw a trained see I don't know if you've seen her dance in nine Glee, you've seen a dance in Glee. 40:04Speaker 2 I her dancing in Glee. Oh my god, go after this, straight after this. I remember her and Glee. What I remember Gwyneed Paltrow and Glee. Yeah, okay. 40:13Speaker 1 So in Glee, Kate Hudson played Cassandra July. And when Rachel Barry, Lee Michelle's character moves to New York, she's her teacher. But they have they hate each other at first of her back and forth and at one point they have a dance and song off to all that jazz from Chicago, and it's actually the greatest scene ever. You need to watch it because they're having a dance battle. 40:32Speaker 2 It's so good. 40:33Speaker 1 Okay, And Kate Hudson's a trained dancer and singer, but she hadn't danced for a really, really long time. She's professionally singing now for the first time ever. She was too scared to do it before her forties. She's so good. Kate Hudson can start becoming a singer in her forties. I know she's Kate Hudson, but I think we can just all do whatever we want. 40:50Speaker 2 We can all do whatever. That's what I'm taking away from her. Whatever age. 40:53Speaker 1 So they showed her the dance so Kate Hutson said, she got to set, they had the dances, they did the dance and she's like, oh, that looks kind of hard, but yeah, I can do it. When are we shooting? And they're like, oh, tomorrow. So she learned that whole dance in twenty four hours. The girl can dance. 41:07Speaker 2 Yeah, she is talented. So I love that. 41:10Speaker 1 So Jackie's other main storyline, apart from the fact that his girlfriend was like leading a Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders coup over fair pay and fair working conditions, that part where they're like getting dressed in the alley and stuff was so funny is that he also was pulled into Cam's web of lies and having to give him urinec heare. 41:29Speaker 2 And like jump out a window so we want to get caught. 41:32Speaker 1 My funniest line of the season came after that when Ness who is such a good character and this is not even a funny line, but it made me laugh out loud, where they're like, oh, he jumped out of the window because he was looking at a bird, and he's we've got to get those windows speaks. He's like, yeah, we love birds, but we love brothers more. 41:48Speaker 2 Like you're so stupid. His lines are so funny, he's his only funny lines. 41:52Speaker 1 It's just so so good. And then we find out what Cam's been planning, that he's going to overthrow the company, and it's such a kind of great moment when Ali and I like kind of band together to overthrow him and get their own like sponsors and get everything sorted and that ness and Sandy and I also love Standy this season. I thought I wanted him to have this big romantic story arc and I'm sorry his lover left him to be on Lisa in a another great cameo. 42:15Speaker 2 He has shown like, oh he's so cute. I do love Sandy. 42:21Speaker 1 I know, I love I love because his whole thing is like, I'm not that type of gay, because it would be the whole thing for a show to have that like very stereotypical flamboyant gay character. And I love that they've just like he's just got this full accountant yeah, and he's just like kind of this like gruff businessman who just happens to also be gay. But I also love the idea of out of the whole family because sometimes they sort of treat him as like, oh, you're the stoic one, you're this, you're that, like you're the serious one. I really wanted him to be the only one that had this beautiful romance and it didn't really work out maybe a season, but. 42:52Speaker 2 The whole family was going through the season. 42:54Speaker 1 The whole family really went through the ring up and then the part where Ness and Sandy choose to stand by Isil or not I thought was the ultimate kind of like build up moment for this season. 43:03Speaker 3 Yeah, and then like took away from like season one where it was like Bro's band together, Yeah, where like she actually proved her worth and they really found newfound respect for her, not just as like a younger sister, but just as like a business partner. 43:17Speaker 2 Yeah. 43:17Speaker 3 I was so nervous in this season, like Mindy Kayling would do that trick where she's just like not boys will be boys, Like these are the worst men ever. 43:25Speaker 2 We just have to live with that. 43:26Speaker 3 And I'm glad they came around because I don't think I could have dealt with another like annoying brother sister things. 43:32Speaker 1 Yeah, we need to see a little bit of growth from the season one finale to this season two finale. 43:35Speaker 2 I think we got that. 43:36Speaker 1 So where do you think season three is gonna go after that. 43:40Speaker 3 Oh the cliffhanger for the last episode. Also, I have to talk about when Jay and Isla were making out on the couch and I walked in. 43:48Speaker 2 And took form, like I thought we were gonna go Skinny Saunery. 43:53Speaker 1 Yeah, He's like, we go ski to be like yeah here. 43:58Speaker 3 So it ends after they win the playoffs against Boston, which. 44:02Speaker 1 Was so good because that's why you watch a sports show, Like I didn't care about actual sports, but it's so hooked to like life and death, human emotion, triumph over adversity, all those things. 44:10Speaker 2 So good. 44:11Speaker 3 It was like down to like the last second and they scored and one and that was like Jay's team, and you can see him getting kind of like giving her like a weird look and then storming off and then they just partied really hard. 44:24Speaker 2 They all woke up so drunk. 44:26Speaker 3 The next morning in Eli's house, Jackie comes running in and turn on the TV and it's this big press conference where it's announced that Cam and Al are starting their own LA basketball team to rival the Waves. 44:41Speaker 2 And their head coach is j Yeah, that's crazy, the ultimate brother lover. 44:47Speaker 1 Betraying me and I have like wearble their romans. They're like Romeo and Juliet now that they're on proper like rival team. So yeah, so season three it. 44:56Speaker 2 Just ends with going motherfucker. 44:58Speaker 1 Yeah, so good. She's so angry and hate Hudson does angry so well. So yes, humps for season three. I think it'll be really fun. Indy Kelly will get her way. She's like, take that plot twist, Netflix, Oh my god, and Mindy get on screen. 45:11Speaker 2 Please. 45:12Speaker 1 Yeah. 45:13Speaker 2 I beg you, I beg you. No, she's got an idea. 45:16Speaker 1 She's gonna play ix side piece because she's like, what's worse than playing like the worst t emn ever? Playing the side piece of the worst funny. 45:25Speaker 2 I love them together. 45:26Speaker 1 She's joking, but I'm also like, don't toy with me, make that happen. 45:29Speaker 2 No, I would love that. I want them to have their own storyline. Yeah, do a spit please. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 45:38Speaker 3 Do not forget. 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In this episode of Gangland Wire, I sit down with retired FBI agent Geoff Kelly, a specialist in art theft investigations who inherited one of the most notorious unsolved cases in American history—the 1990 robbery at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. He recently wrote a book about this theft titled 13 Perfect Fugitives: The True Story of Mob, Murder, and the World’s Largest Art Heist. Kelly's law enforcement career began as a New York City transit police officer before transitioning to the FBI. Like many agents, he initially sought violent crime work. Instead, he was assigned to economic crimes before eventually transferring to a violent crime squad. It was there that he encountered the Gardner case—a cold case largely untouched by senior agents at the time. The robbery itself remains extraordinary: two men posing as police officers gained entry to the museum and stole 13 works of art, including masterpieces by Rembrandt. More than three decades later, none of the works have been recovered. Inside the Gardner Heist Geoff explains how art theft is often misunderstood. Popular culture portrays refined, sophisticated criminals orchestrating elaborate capers. The reality, he says, is usually more opportunistic and frequently violent. Art theft often intersects with organized crime, drug trafficking, and even homicide. Massachusetts has a documented history of art-related crimes, and several individuals connected to the Gardner investigation met violent ends. The criminal underworld surrounding stolen art is less about wealthy collectors hiding paintings in private vaults and more about leverage—using artwork as collateral in criminal negotiations. The FBI's Art Crime Evolution Following the 2003 looting of Iraq's National Museum during the Baghdad invasion, the FBI formalized its Art Crime Team. Kelly discusses how intelligence gathering, informants, and international cooperation became central tools in recovering stolen artifacts. He emphasizes that solving art crimes often depends less on forensic breakthroughs and more on human intelligence. Informants remain essential, especially in cases where organized crime overlaps with high-value theft. Kelly also discusses his upcoming book, 13 Perfect Fugitives, which explores the intersections of mobsters, murder, and the illicit art market. Organized Crime and the Reality of Stolen Art Drawing on my own experience working organized crime in Kansas City, I found clear parallels between traditional mob rackets and art theft networks. The same structures—intimidation, secrecy, and violence—apply. Once a painting disappears into criminal circulation, it becomes a liability as much as an asset. Kelly challenges the myth that thieves profit easily from masterpieces. High-profile works are difficult to sell. The black-market art world is volatile and dangerous. In many cases, the artwork becomes bargaining collateral rather than a cash windfall. A Case Still Waiting for Closure More than 30 years later, the Gardner Museum still displays empty frames where the paintings once hung. Kelly remains committed to the idea that public awareness may eventually generate new leads.  The Gardner heist stands as both a cultural tragedy and a criminal mystery—one that continues to intersect with organized crime, violence, and international intrigue. Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. Transcript [0:00] Hey, you guys, Gary Jenkins back here in studio Gangland Wire. Y’all know me. I’m a retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective and now podcaster and documentary filmmaker. I have in the studio today… Jeff Kelly, he’s a now-retired FBI agent. He was an expert in recovering stolen artifacts and art pieces. He was involved. He wasn’t involved in the original theft of the Boston art theft, the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, but he ended up inheriting that case. So welcome, Jeff. Hi. Thanks, Gary. Nice to be here. And guys, I need to mention this right off the bat. Jeff has a book, 13 Perfect Fugitives, The True Story of the Mob, Murder, and the World’s Largest Art Heist. Be out on Amazon. I’ll have links down below in the show notes if you want to get that book. I think it would be pretty interesting. I was telling Jeff, I just interviewed Joe Ford, the million-dollar detective, the guy that goes after classic cars, and I read that book. I love these kind of caper kind of books and caper crimes. Those are the ones I like the best is the caper crimes. And Jeff is an expert at working caper crimes. And that’s what these are, capers. So Jeff, how did you get into this? Now you came on the FBI. You were a policeman before, I believe. So tell the guys a little bit about yourself and your FBI career. Yeah, I started out with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police in New York City. It was a transit cop. I did that for three years. And then I got into the FBI in October of 95. [1:30] And my goal was always, I wanted to work violent crime. That’s what drew me to law enforcement in the first place, working bank robberies and kidnappings and fugitives. I had to do my five years on working economic crime, telemarketing fraud. It was interesting, but not all that exciting. And finally in 2000, I got my transfer to the violent crime squad. And I loved working it. And I did it for my entire career from then on, right up until my retirement in 2024. But back then, art theft was considered a major theft violation, [2:01] and it was worked by the Violent Crime Squad. And so in 2002… My supervisor dumped this old moribund cold case in my lap. It was the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum heist. [2:15] Nobody wanted it on the squad, so they figured, let’s give it to the new guy. I was ecstatic to get it because I’d heard about it. I went to school in Boston. I went to Boston University and graduated the year before it happened, but I knew about it. [2:28] That’s how I started working this case, this particular case, and then the following year during the U.S., there was a, the U.S. And coalition forces invaded Baghdad in Iraq. And during a 36-hour period, more than 15,000 objects of very, very important cultural history were looted from the National Museum of Iraq. And it’s really one of the most important museums in the world in terms of our shared history. Kind of the cradle of civilization over there in the Tigers and Euphrates River. Yeah, and that was the time when the FBI kind of belatedly realized that there was no art crime team to investigate this. And of course, FBI agents have been working art theft like any other property crime since the beginning of the FBI’s existence, but there was no codified team. So they did a canvas for the team in 2004 and I applied for it because at this point I’d been working the Gardner case for a couple of years and really was fascinated by it and made the team. And so then over the next 20 years, we continued to expand the team both in size and in scope and in our intelligence base and knowledge base. And when I left the Bureau in 2024, it was and still is a tremendous team with a lot of very dedicated and professional agents and professional support. [3:51] Now, guys, if you don’t know about the Isabella Stewart Gardner case, there was a Netflix documentary on it a few years ago. It was an art museum in Boston. [4:01] Two guys showed up. They had Boston police uniforms on, and they got in. They basically, it was an armed robbery, and they took control of the museum. The guards were in there late at night and took these really valuable paintings out. I believe you told me earlier they were Remington paintings. We’ll get into that. And it was a violent crime. It was an armed robbery of paintings, and you told me about other armed robberies of paintings. I think you got into some other armed robberies of paintings. You always think of, as you mentioned before, the Thomas Crown Affair character that goes out and does these sophisticated art thefts. That’s not always true, is it? It’s never that way, but it doesn’t matter. Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. Everybody wants to believe that art thefts are pulled off by the Thomas Crown Affairs and these gentlemen thieves repel in through skylights and do all that fancy stuff, put it in their underground lair. That’s just not the way it works. But if you look to art theft. [4:55] Massachusetts really is a cradle of art theft in this country, and it’s very unique. The first armed robbery of a museum occurred in Boston in 1972. It was committed by a guy named Al Monday, who was a prolific art thief. And they stole four pieces from the Worcester Art Museum in central Massachusetts with a gun. They ended up shooting the guard. And one of the pieces that they stole was a Rembrandt called St. Bartholomew. [5:26] And in keeping with the milieu of true art thieves, the paintings were stored on a pig farm just over the state line in Rhode Island. And when this Connecticut safecracker by the name of Chucky Carlo, who was looking at some serious time in prison for some of the crimes that he committed, when he found out that Al Monday had these paintings, he just simply kidnapped Al Monday and stuck a gun in his ribs and said he would kill him if he didn’t give him the paintings. which is no honor among thieves. And Al turned over the paintings, Chucky returned them, and he got a very significant break on his pending jail sentence. Right here in 1972, Boston thieves see Rembrandt as a valuable get-out-of-jail-free card. [6:09] And then if we jump forward three years to 1975, there was a very skilled art thief, really a master thief by the name of Miles Conner. I interviewed Miles for my book. It was very gracious of him to sit down with me for it. And he had robbed or committed a burglary of the Woolworth estate up in Maine, the family, the five and dime family magnets. And he got caught for it because he tried to sell those paintings to an undercover FBI agent. And so he was looking at 12 years in prison for it. And he was out on bail. And he reached out to a family friend who was a state trooper. And he asked him, how can I get away with this one? How can I get out of this? Because he was in serious trouble. The trooper’s response was meant to be hyperbolic. The trooper said, Miles, it’s going to take you a Rembrandt to get out of this one. [6:57] And so Miles said, okay, I’ll go get a Rembrandt. And he got a crew together and they did a daylight smash and grab at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, just across the street from the Gardner. And they stole Rembrandt, the girl in a gold-trimmed cloak. [7:12] And he was able to return that painting. Instead of doing 12 years, he did 28 months. And he even managed to, he told me he even managed to get the $10,000 reward in the process. So you have this atmosphere in Massachusetts that Rembrandts are a valuable commodity, right? They can help you out in a jam. And so I think it’s no coincidence that in 1990, when the Gardner Museum heist came down, the Gardner Museum had this array of motion sensors all throughout the museum. It would alert to wherever you went, every gallery, hallway, whatever. [7:49] And we know from these motion sensors that after, as you said, the two guys went in disguised as cops and bluffed their way into the museum, they made a beeline for the Dutch room, which is the room of all things Rembrandt. They stole three Rembrandts. They stole a fourth piece called Landscape with an Obelisk, which was actually by Govard Flink, but it had been misattributed to Rembrandt until the mid 80s. And then they took a large Rembrandt oil-on-panel off the wall and it was recovered the next morning leaning against a piece of furniture. We believe they just overlooked it in the dark. So out of the 13 pieces taken, three were Rembrandt, a fourth was misattributed to Rembrandt, and there was going to be a 14th piece taken, which was also Rembrandt. It definitely falls into that theory that this was going to be a hold-on to these pieces for a while and see if you can use them for a break. [8:48] Interesting. Now, back in the 70s, for example, when somebody would work in an art robbery like that or an art theft, you got your tried and true ways of working a crime. You got to have sources, you got to have witnesses, and hopefully you can get a crime like this. You can get a source that says, hey, this guy, we had a guy in Kansas City that he was a fence for these kinds of guys. He had an antique auction and he took all this stuff and got it somewhere else. So at the time, just use your regular police methods. And what changed over the years as you’ve done this? Yeah, certainly we’ve become much more sophisticated with the techniques that we use. But at the end of the day, it’s always still going to be intelligence. But I found from working my entire career in violent crime, virtually my whole career in violent crime, the sources are crucial. Having a good informant can make and break a case. And working art theft investigations, you’re certainly going to have the same types of fences of informants, fences for stolen property and what they’re hearing about what organized crime guys are doing and what drug guys are doing. But it also opened up a whole new avenue of sources for me as working in art investigations, because now you’ve got pawn shops and gallery owners and auction houses, and they’re in a position to know when not only when stolen artwork is coming in, but also fakes and forgeries. We spoke about this, that. [10:16] Somebody comes in with one valuable piece that would be very difficult for somebody in his or her position to come across one piece like this, let alone a dozen of them. That really points to probably a fake. And so that’s really the key to solving these things is just having a good intelligence base who’s going to let us know about when something comes up that’s either stolen or it’s been forged. [10:43] Brings up a question. In my mind, did you ever work a gallery owner or a gallery [10:48] that then would filter in, knowingly filter in some fakes every once in a while? They couldn’t do it 100% of the time, but you could certainly make some extra money by filtering fakes out of it because many people would get it and they’d never know. Nobody would ever know. Listen, it is a really difficult thing when you’re working these types of crimes because unlike bank robber, you go into a bank and you stick them up with a gun and take them on. It’s not up to the government to be able to prove at trial that you knew that the bank was insured by the FDIC. You went in and you robbed it, you committed the offense. When you’re talking about interstate transportation of stolen property or possession of stolen property, there are what’s called specific intent crimes, meaning you have to prove the element of knowledge. You have to be able to prove that the person knew that that item was stolen. Not that it said it was stolen. and you had to show that they knew it. And that’s a really high hurdle to overcome. And typically what we do to try and prove that specific intent is we’re going to go through. [11:53] Recorded statements made to a source or to an undercover or emails or texts or something that we can show that this person knew that item was stolen. And so we would see that a lot in auction houses and galleries. There’s a lot of willful blindness where a lot of gallery owners and auction houses, they’re going to look the other way because it’s too lucrative to pass up. And in fact, in 2015, the art crime team, once we received information that ISIL or ISIS was using looted cultural property from Syria and Iraq as a form, a viable form of terrorism financing. And we put auction houses and gallery owners on notice in 2015, and we basically told them that if you’re selling objects of cultural patrimony or cultural heritage with a dubious provenance, like a wink and a nod, you may be unwittingly or wittingly funding terrorism. While we never charged anybody with it, hopefully it was an eye-opener that when you’re getting into this world, it’s not a victimless crime. There are very real victims involved. [13:07] And that’s one of the things that really is interesting about working our crime investigations. And I used to get ribbed by my friends who were not on the art crime team about [13:18] where like the wine and cheese squad were raised and everything. But our subjects are far from it. We’re dealing with organized crime, gangs, terrorists. This is no joke. These are serious individuals and the stakes are high. And in the Gardner case, three or four people that we believe were involved in the heist were murdered a year after the Gardner case crime occurred. Yeah, I was just going to go back to that a little bit, as we said before, a little bit like the Lufthansa case. All of a sudden, everybody that was involved in the theft. Started dropping like flies. So tell the guys about that. That is really interesting. [14:00] Yeah. So the two individuals that we believe went into the museum dressed as cops, just a week shy of the one-year anniversary, one of the guys was found dead in his apartment of an acute overdose of cocaine, intravenous. And his family admitted that he used Coke, but they said he was terrified of needles. He was scared of needles. So it really looked to be like a hotshot, an intentional overdose of cocaine. Two weeks later, the other guy who we believe went into the museum with him, his wife reported him missing. And a couple of weeks later, his bullet riddled body was recovered in the trunk of his car out by Logan Airport in East Boston. There was another member of that crew. These were all part of the same crew. This Carmelo Merlino, who was a Boston mobster, had an auto shop down in the Dorchester section of Boston. Another member of his crew, a guy named Bobby, six weeks after the heist, he brought in, he visited a jeweler in the downtown crossing jewelry district in Boston. He came in with this object and he unwrapped it. It was an eagle. [15:03] It was the finial from the Napoleonic flag that was stolen in the Gardner heist. And he asked the jeweler, how much is this thing worth? And the jeweler looked at it and he said, it’s worth nothing. Because he immediately recognized it as one of the people that had been stolen six weeks earlier from the Gardner heist. And then a few months later, Bobby was stabbed to death and nearly decapitated on the front porch of his house. And the responding police saw that his house had been broken into and ransacked like his killers had been looking for something. There was a fourth guy, Jimmy, who bragged to his girlfriend a few months after the heist that he had a couple of pieces from the Gardner Museum hidden in his attic. [15:47] And in February of 1990, 11 months after the heist, he was executed on his front porch in what the local police called a mob hit. So, yeah, these are the types of crimes that have a tendency to have a chilling effect on anybody who harbors any aspirations to come forward with information. Yeah, and we talked earlier a little bit about, like, the crime itself, and the statute of limitations is up on that, what you said, and the crime itself, but how we talked a little bit and explained to them about how this could be part of a RICO case. And you’ve got the murders and you’ve got the actual theft and whatever they did with the paintings, then maybe you could get over after a Bob boss as a Rico case. Tell the guys a little bit about doing that. Yeah. [16:32] I’ve heard it so many times in more than two decades that I worked the case and people would say, geez, why don’t people come forward? They’re just paintings. There are so many times they’re just paintings. They’re like, yeah, they are, but there’s two things about that. Number one, there’s some dead bodies on these paintings, three or four, and that there’s no statute of limitations for murder. And so if you implicate yourself in the theft or you implicate yourself in possessing or transporting these paintings at any time, the fear is that you’re then implicating yourself in a homicide. And the other aspect of this, which I think has a chilling effect, is the fact that transportation of stolen property is one of the predicate acts for RICO, racketeering influence corrupt organization case. And RICO is basically, Gary, is basically an entire organization is corrupt. Yeah. There’s no legitimate purpose. It’s what we think about the mob and the [17:27] FBI has taken down the mob in the past. So if you implicate yourself in stolen property and you’re part of organized crime, that’s one of the predicate acts for a RICO. And that’s basically life sentences. And so one of my goals in the years and years that I worked in this case was to try and convince people that you could come forward with information and the U S attorney’s offices, whether it’s up in Boston or new Haven or Philadelphia. [17:58] Would be willing to figure out a way to get the paintings back with immunity from prosecution for a RICO case. Look, that’s a high hurdle. That’s a high hurdle to convince somebody that if you come forward, you’re not going to get charged and you’re eligible for millions of dollars in reward. That’s a tough bill to swallow, but it’s the truth. I’m retired from the FBI now. I can tell you that it was, it’s a, it was, and still is a bona fide offer. And that’s one of the goals that I’ve always tried to impress on anyone is the opportunity to become a millionaire without going to jail. There you go, Jeff. Can you, now you’re not with the Bureau anymore. Can you go out, if you could go out and find them and bring them in, could you collect that reward? I would certainly hope so. [18:48] I can’t tell you how many of my friends thought that I had some of these paintings stashed in my basement. Waiting for retirement to go turn them in the next day. I think half the guys I worked with were expecting to see me pull into the parking lot of the FBI. [19:01] Big package, but no. But yeah, I suppose I could. By this point, I can tell you the amount of my very being that I put into this case over two days. Yeah. I just would love to see these paintings go back just because they need to be back at the museum. That’s where they belong. Now, these crimes, they seem, You said there’s a lot of murders attached to this. They seem a little boring. Did you have any exciting moments trying to pop anybody or do any surveillances? I know we did a big surveillance of a bunch of junkies that were going around stealing from small museums around the Midwest. And we follow them here in Kansas City. And they would have been pretty exciting had we had a confrontation with them. Did you have any exciting moments in this? It actually was a fascinating case. And for the first, there’s the really boring aspects of this job and tedious aspects. And I would say that in my, two decades working this case, I probably did, I don’t know, 50, 60, 70 consent searches, searching in attics and basements and crawling through crawl spaces and just getting sweaty and covered in cobwebs. But the break in the case for me came in 2009 when one of the guys who was part of Merlino’s crew who was deceased, his niece came forward to me and told me that the paintings. Some of them had been hidden up in this guy’s hide at his house up in Maine. I went up to Maine with Anthony Amore, who’s the director of security for the Gardner Museum. We worked on this case together for years. [20:29] And then we found that hide. And then we interviewed, right from there, we went and interviewed Guarenti. That’s the guy, Bobby Guarenti. We interviewed his widow and she broke down and admitted that he once showed her the paintings and she gave them to a guy down in Connecticut. And we identified that guy and we interviewed him. My name is Bobby Gentile. He’s a made member of the Philly Mob. He got straightened out with his crew back in the late 90s. [20:54] And he refused to cooperate. And then that’s where we really just started getting, using a lot of ingenuity to try and break it. And an agent down in the New Haven office, a guy by the name of Jamie Lawton, he joined our team and we started working this case. And he had a source who knew Gentile, Bobby Gentile, and the source started buying drugs from Gentile. Ah, there we go. We ended up arresting Gentile and we did a search warrant at his house. And it was crazy. Like we recovered, I want to say seven handguns, loaded handguns lying all over the place. He had a pump action shotgun hanging by the front door. He had high explosives. We had to evacuate the house and call him the bomb squad. But the interesting thing was he had the March 19th, 1990 edition of the Boston Herald with headlines about the Gardner heist and tucked inside that newspaper was a handwritten list of all the stolen items. With what looked like their black market values. This is in the house of a guy who swore up and down that he’d never heard of the Gardner Museum. And we were able to figure out who wrote the list. It was written by none other than Al Monday, who’s the guy that did the first armed robbery of a museum, of a Rembrandt. And we interviewed him and he told us that he wrote that list for Bobby Gentile and his buddy up in Maine, Bobby Garanti, because they had a buyer for the paintings and they wanted to know what they were worth. [22:24] So yeah, and then Gentile took 30 months. [22:28] He wouldn’t cooperate. And while he was incarcerated, we turned two of his closest friends to becoming sources. And so when he got out of prison in February or April of 2014, they started talking to him and talked about the gardener and they said they might know somebody who’d want to buy him. That’s how we then introduced an undercover agent. Gentile was introduced to Tony, this undercover FBI agent. Over six months, they had long talks about selling the paintings. Unfortunately, before Gentile would sell the paintings, he wanted to do a drug deal first, which we couldn’t allow to happen. We can’t let drugs walk on the street. So we had to take it down. And although we’d seized all these guns from Gentile back in 2012, he told the sources the FBI didn’t get all of his guns. Because of that disturbing comment, one of the sources asked Gentile if he could buy a gun for him. And Gentile sold him a loaded 38. So we arrested him again. And he still refused to cooperate. I don’t respect what he did for a living or a lot of the things that he did, but you do have to respect his adherence to his values. However, misguided they may have been, he took the code of omerta, the code of silence to heart, and he took it to his grave. He died, I think, in 2021 after going to prison a second time. [23:50] While we never got any paintings back, it was a tremendous ride, and I’m confident they will come back. It’s just going to be a question of when. Yeah, that kind of brings up the question that you hear people speculate. Did you ever run across this? Is there actually any rich old guys or an Arab sheik or somebody that buys stuff like this and then really keeps it and never shows it to anybody? Does that unicorn really exist? everybody wants that to be true i know virtually it’s not yeah there’s there’s never been a case of some wealthy what we call the doctor no theory some some reclusive billionaire with his underground lair filled with all the illicit stolen treasures of the world yeah that’s it’s never happened yeah i guess you never say never but but no look the majority statistically about three-quarters of everyone that collects art in this country does it for, and I assume it’s probably worldwide, does it for the investment potential. There’s a lot of money to be made in collecting art. It rarely, if ever, drops in value. So that’s why people collect art. If there’s somebody who has a particular piece that they want so badly that they’re going to commission its theft, it’s more the stuff of Hollywood. It could happen, but we’ve never seen that happen yet. Interesting. [25:14] We did have one case here where we had a medical doctor and he had it on the wall of his house. And it was, I believe it was a Western artist named Remington that these junkies stole out of Omaha. But it was such a minor piece that he could show it to anybody and they wouldn’t. They would say, oh, that’s cool. You got a Remington. [25:30] There’s plenty of those around. And he could afford a real deal Remington anyhow. So it wasn’t that big a deal. And that’s really what it comes down to is that art, high-end art does get stolen. It gets stolen quite often. The art market is about $60 billion, and the FBI, we estimated about $6 to $8 billion of that is illicit, whether it’s theft or fakes and forgeries. It’s a tremendous market, but it’s mostly second and third tier items. [26:02] Really valuable, well-known pieces. They do get stolen, but that’s the easy part. The easy part is stealing it. The hard part is monetizing it. That’s why you very rarely see recidivism among art thieves, high-end art thieves, because you do it once, and now you’re stuck with the thing. It’s easier to steal something else. You got to go out and boost fur coats and stuff to make a living. Exactly. Do a jewelry store robbery down there and make a living. And that’s exactly the point. That’s why you’re seeing a sea change in terms of art thefts, museum thefts. The Louvre was a great example of that. Dresden green vault robbery where 100 million euros in gems were stolen back in 2019 yeah. [26:45] Gems and jewelry, it can be broken down. It’s going to greatly diminish their value, but you can recut a gem. You can melt down the setting. You can monetize it for a greatly diminished value, but at least you can monetize it. You can’t cut up a Rembrandt into smaller pieces. [27:02] It’s only valuable as a whole complete piece. Yeah. I’m just thinking about that. We got a couple of guys, Jerry Scalise and Art Rachel in Chicago, flew to London, robbed a really valuable piece, the Lady Churchill’s diamond or something, I don’t remember, but really valuable piece and mailed it to somebody on their way to the airport and then got caught when they got back to Chicago and brought back to London and did 14 years in England and they never gave up that piece and nobody could, it never appeared anywhere, but it was just cut up and they didn’t make hardly any money off of it. Yeah. Look, there’s a, there’s much more profitable ways to. Yeah. To make an illicit living than stealing high-end artwork, but it does still get stolen. And that’s one of the cruel ironies when you’re talking about art theft is if somebody has a $20,000 piece of jewelry or a very expensive watch, they’re most likely going to lock it up in a safe in their bedroom or something. But you have a $10 million piece of artwork, you probably got it on the mantle. You’ve got it over the fireplace or in the front foyer of your house and probably doesn’t have a passive alarm system protecting it or security screws to keep it from being taken off the wall because people want to show it off. Yeah. It’s way too enticing. [28:24] Really? So, yes, you need to keep the word out there and keep this in people’s minds. And I’m sure the museum tries to do this in some ways in order, hopefully, that maybe somebody will say, oh. Yeah. [28:38] I think I saw that somewhere in this news program or on this podcast. [28:42] I’ll put some pictures on the podcast when I end up editing this. No, please do, Kerry. And that’s the thing. That’s the basis for the title of my book is it really is a fugitive investigation. And that’s how I work this case is fugitives and perfect fugitives because they’re not like their human counterparts. They’re not going to get tripped up on the silly things that we need to do as human beings, getting a driver’s license or whatnot. Yeah. [29:09] And so that’s how I worked the case. The FBI was really, I was always impressed with the FBI’s support that they gave me on this investigation. We did billboard campaigns and social media and a lot of things to get these images out there to the public, hoping it might resonate with somebody. And that’s really my goal for this book. I felt it should be written. I felt it’s an important case. Certainly, it’s something that I wanted to write about. It’s something that’s very important to me. [29:42] But it’s yet another attempt to apprehend these fugitives. And I’m hopeful that somebody, it might resonate with somebody. Somebody’s going to see something. And there’s so much disinformation and misinformation that’s out there in the media about this case. People are endlessly, all these armchair detectives, and I don’t say it in a deprecating way. Good for them. Work as hard as you can. But if you want to work this case from your armchair, great. but you should be going off accurate information because there’s a lot of bad information that’s out there on the internet. And if you want to help out, if you want to collect that $10 million reward, great, but you should be going off the most accurate factual information that’s available. Yeah. And you probably ought to go down to the deep seamy underbelly of Philadelphia or Boston or somewhere and get involved with a mob and then work your way up and make different cocaine deals and everything. And eventually you might be trusted enough that some might say, oh yeah, I’ve got those in this basement. I would suggest there’s better hobbies. [30:47] That could be hazardous to your health. I wouldn’t recommend it. Yes, it could. All right. Jeffrey Kelly, the book is 13 Perfect Tuesdays. Those are the paintings that were stolen that you’ll see on the podcast on the YouTube channel. The true story of the mob, murder, and the world’s largest art heist. Jeffrey, thanks so much for coming on to tell us about this. Thanks, Gary. Thanks for having me.

Australian authorities refuse to repatriate women and children whom they claim are relatives of ISIL fighters; Olympics presenter goes off script; what Australians are most proud of as Australians. Katie Macdonald shares all the details with Lester Kiewit. Good Morning Cape Town with Lester Kiewit is a podcast of the CapeTalk breakfast show. This programme is your authentic Cape Town wake-up call. Good Morning Cape Town with Lester Kiewit is informative, enlightening and accessible. The team’s ability to spot & share relevant and unusual stories make the programme inclusive and thought-provoking. Don’t miss the popular World View feature at 7:45am daily. Listen out for #LesterInYourLounge which is an outside broadcast – from the home of a listener in a different part of Cape Town - on the first Wednesday of every month. This show introduces you to interesting Capetonians as well as their favourite communities, habits, local personalities and neighbourhood news. Thank you for listening to a podcast from Good Morning Cape Town with Lester Kiewit. Listen live on Primedia+ weekdays between 06:00 and 09:00 (SA Time) to Good Morning CapeTalk with Lester Kiewit broadcast on CapeTalk https://buff.ly/NnFM3Nk For more from the show go to https://buff.ly/xGkqLbT or find all the catch-up podcasts here https://buff.ly/f9Eeb7i Subscribe to the CapeTalk Daily and Weekly Newsletters https://buff.ly/sbvVZD5 Follow us on social media CapeTalk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CapeTalk CapeTalk on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@capetalk CapeTalk on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ CapeTalk on X: https://x.com/CapeTalk CapeTalk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CapeTalk5See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The US has transferred thousands of detainees linked to the group from Syria to Iraq. It cites security concerns, but is the move enough to prevent ISIL from re-emerging in Syria? In this episode: Zeidon Alkinani, independent researcher on identity politics in Iraq and the Middle East Colin Clarke, executive director of The Soufan Center Sarah Sanbar, researcher in the Middle East and North Africa division at Human Rights Watch Host: James Bays Connect with us:@AJEPodcasts on X, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube

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Marking the 80th anniversary of the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), the UN Secretary-General urged Member States to take immediate steps to implement the reforms they committed to in the Pact for the Future. Speaking at the commemoration of ECOSOC at 80 named “a turning point for multilateralism” today , Guterres said, “let us renew our commitment to safeguarding rights and speeding up development through multilateral cooperation. ECOSOC is an indispensable platform for global dialogue and action.” ECOSOC President Lok Bahadur Thapa said the Council's legacy at 80 is simple and more urgent. He said, “Multilateralism must deliver. Development must be inclusive. And progress must reach everyone. This is the vision and commitment we set forth in the Charter - one that should continue to guide our collective action.” For her part, President General Assembly Annalena Baerbock reiterated, “Peace, development and human dignity and human rights are inseparable,” adding that delivering on these social and economic goals is therefore “not only a moral imperative for those they are designed to serve. It is also a matter of enlightened self-interest.” “It is an investment in stability, resilient and security in a world that is too often defined by crisis,” she added. Established in 1945 by the Charter of the United Nations, ECOSOC held its first meeting on 23 January 1946. Its mandate – to coordinate the economic, social, and cultural activities of the United Nations and promote international cooperation and development – has placed it at the heart of advancing the principles of the UN Charter. Multilateralism, inclusivity, and global solidarity have been central to ECOSOC's mission from the outset. Marking the 80th anniversary of the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), the UN Secretary-General urged Member States to take immediate steps to implement the reforms they committed to in the Pact for the Future. Speaking at the commemoration of ECOSOC at 80 named “a turning point for multilateralism” today , Guterres said, “let us renew our commitment to safeguarding rights and speeding up development through multilateral cooperation. ECOSOC is an indispensable platform for global dialogue and action.” ECOSOC President Lok Bahadur Thapa said the Council's legacy at 80 is simple and more urgent. He said, “Multilateralism must deliver. Development must be inclusive. And progress must reach everyone. This is the vision and commitment we set forth in the Charter - one that should continue to guide our collective action.” For her part, President General Assembly Annalena Baerbock reiterated, “Peace, development and human dignity and human rights are inseparable,” adding that delivering on these social and economic goals is therefore “not only a moral imperative for those they are designed to serve. It is also a matter of enlightened self-interest.” “It is an investment in stability, resilient and security in a world that is too often defined by crisis,” she added. Established in 1945 by the Charter of the United Nations, ECOSOC held its first meeting on 23 January 1946. Its mandate – to coordinate the economic, social, and cultural activities of the United Nations and promote international cooperation and development – has placed it at the heart of advancing the principles of the UN Charter. Multilateralism, inclusivity, and global solidarity have been central to ECOSOC's mission from the outset. Briefing the Security Council today on the situation in Syria, Assistant Secretary-General for Middle East Khaled Khiari said, “It is vital that ISIL is not allowed to capitalize on the fluid situation in the northeast.” Khiari also said, “As I speak, the situation on the ground remains very tense, with exchanges of fire and clashes between Government forces and the SDF in parts of Hasekeh governorate and also on the outskirts of Ayn al Arab, also known as Kobane - an SDF-controlled enclave where access is challenging, given ongoing clashes.” He appealed for both sides to “immediately adhere to a ceasefire in line with the 18 January agreement and engage in fleshing out and implementing the details of this latest understanding of 20 January swiftly and in a spirit of compromise, in order to ensure a peaceful integration of north-east Syria in support of Syria's broader transition.” He highlighted, “It is important also to note the recent Decree no. 13 announced by President al-Sharaa concerning the linguistic, cultural, and citizenship rights of Syrian Kurds within the Syrian state. This is a crucial issue for the future, and the decree is an encouraging initiative on which to build further through a genuinely inclusive process.” He stressed, “We share concerns about the presence of foreign terrorist fighters in Syria. During the fighting in northeast Syria, control of some of the detention centers for ISIL fighters switched from the SDF to Government forces, as did al-Hol camp in Hasakeh. There are indications that some detainees escaped.” He added, “Separately, the US announced on 21 January its mission to transfer ISIL detainees from Syria to Iraq, with 150 ISIL members held in Hasakeh already transported to a secure facility in Iraq. ” He also noted, “Israeli incursions in southern Syria continue to undermine Syria's sovereignty and territorial integrity. We welcome this Council's extension of UNDOF's mandate for another six months.” Edem Wosornu, Director of the Crisis Response Division of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said, “In spite of these challenges, Syrians across the country continue to work to build a brighter future. More than 3 million refugees and internally displaced people have returned to their homes since December of 2024. And we have started to see some encouraging, if still limited, improvements in humanitarian indicators. Food security has improved slightly, but only one in five families are consistently meeting their nutritional needs.” Ibrahim Olabi, Syrian Permanent Representative to the United Nations, said, “We are fully aware of the suffering endured by our Syrian Kurdish compatriots for decades due to marginalization and denial of rights. We are pleased today to see them as part of the new Syrian State institutions, like all other Syrian communities.” He reported, “The Ministry of Interior successfully apprehended the majority of escaped members and continues its efforts to follow to pursue the remaining ones, stressing that extended State sovereignty and the rule of law is the only permanent guarantee of security, stability, and effective counterterrorism. In this regard, the Syrian Government welcomes the American operation to transfer ISIS detainees out of Syrian territories and affirms its readiness to provide the necessary logistical and security support to ensure its success.” Lukman Al-Faily, Iraqi Permanent Representative to the United Nations, stated that his government reaffirms “its reception of foreign terrorists whose states refused to repatriate them is a measure aimed at protecting regional and international security from an imminent threat. Nevertheless, we stress that this issue should not be left to become a long-term strategic burden on Iraq alone. The insistence of some States on considering their terrorist nationals a threat to their national security and refusing to repatriate them is unacceptable.”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/policy-and-rights--3339563/support.

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The US President says they are against ISIL, claiming it targets Christians in the country.But are his allegations of religious persecution in Nigeria justified?And could his administration have other motives? In this episode: Malik Samuel, Senior Researcher at Good Governance Africa. Ebenezer Obadare, Senior Fellow for Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. David Otto, Deputy Director of Counterterrorism Training at the International Academy for the Fight Against Terrorism. Host: Adrian Finighan Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook

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En este episodio recibimos a las ganadoras del concurso Haciendo Empresa ISIL, un evento organizado por la Subdirección de Desarrollo y Vida Estudiantil. Conversamos sobre sus proyectos y propuestas de emprendimiento, que destacan por su creatividad, visión y ganas de cambiar el juego. Sus historias nos inspiran y demuestran que el talento ISIL sigue creciendo cada año.

Vivimos en una era donde las imágenes, audios y videos creados con inteligencia artificial son cada vez más realistas… y más difíciles de detectar. En este episodio nos acompaña Linalyn Dorta, publicista y profesora de ISIL, con quien conversamos sobre cómo la IA puede generar contenido tan convincente que pone a prueba nuestros sentidos y nuestro criterio. Hablaremos de deepfakes, fotos falsas, noticias inventadas y cómo aprender a distinguir la realidad de la ficción digital. Además, conoceremos herramientas y trucos para no caer en engaños, porque en internet, no todo lo que ves es lo que parece.

Ese momento en el que recibes tu primer pago es emocionante… y peligroso. En este episodio hablaremos sobre qué hacer (y qué evitar) cuando llega tu primer sueldo: desde planificar gastos, ahorrar y cumplirte un gusto, hasta evitar caer en compras impulsivas que desaparecen tu dinero en segundos. Compartiremos anécdotas, errores comunes y trucos para que tu primer sueldo sea el inicio de una relación sana con tus finanzas, sin dejar de disfrutarlo.

Desde coleccionar Funkos y jugar videojuegos hasta vestirse con estética nostálgica o seguir viendo caricaturas, cada vez más adultos jóvenes reivindican el derecho a mantener vivas sus pasiones infantiles. En este episodio exploramos por qué el Kidulting es más que una moda: es una forma de expresar identidad, encontrar confort emocional y romper con la idea tradicional de “ser adulto”. También veremos hasta qué punto este estilo de vida es liberador… y cuándo puede chocar con responsabilidades del mundo real.

En el aula no todos aprendemos igual, y eso está bien. Este episodio conversaremos con el Psicólogo Julius Silva sobre la neurodivergencia: desde TDAH hasta autismo y otras formas de pensar distintas. Hablaremos de mitos, realidades y estrategias para un aprendizaje más inclusivo y creativo, donde la diversidad de mentes sea vista como fortaleza, no como barrera. 

Ir a clases no significa vestirse aburrido ni incómodo. En este episodio, junto a nuestra invitada especial Lorena Naveda, egresada y profesora de ISIL, exploramos cómo armar outfits que combinan comodidad, practicidad y un toque personal.

In this week's Security Sprint, Dave and Andy covered the following topics: Warm Open:• Nerd Out EP 61. The 2/3 of the Year Awards!Main Topics:FBI PSA - Russian Government Cyber Actors Targeting Networking Devices, Critical Infrastructure. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is warning the public, private sector, and international community of the threat posed to computer networks and critical infrastructure by cyber actors attributed to the Russian Federal Security Service's (FSB) Center 16. The FBI detected Russian FSB cyber actors exploiting Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and end-of-life networking devices running an unpatched vulnerability (CVE-2018-0171) in Cisco Smart Install (SMI) to broadly target entities in the United States and globally. Info Ops: • Most Adults in 25 Countries Say Spread of False Information Is a Top National Threat. The findings come from Pew's seventh iteration of its Global Attitudes Survey: International Opinion on Global Threats, which was last published in 2022. • Foreign disinformation enters AI-powered era. At least one China-based technology company, GoLaxy, seems to be using generative AI to build influence operations in Taiwan and Hong Kong… Documents also show that GoLaxy has created profiles for at least 117 members of Congress and over 2,000 American political figures and thought leaders.• Toxic politics and TikTok engagement in the 2024 U.S. election• Why wind farms attract so much misinformation and conspiracy theory UN - Terror threat posed by ISIL ‘remains volatile and complex,' Security Council hears. The threat posed by the terrorist group ISIL – known more widely in the Middle East as Da'esh – remains dynamic and diverse, with Africa currently experiencing the highest level of activity worldwide.• PDF: Remarks by Mr. Vladimir Voronkov, Under-Secretary-General for Counter-Terrorism, United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism. • PDF: Remarks by Mr. Vladimir Voronkov, Under-Secretary-General, United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism.• UN Report: ISIS Fighters' Migration to Afghanistan and the Taliban's Failure• ISIS-K poses major threat with 2,000 fighters in Afghanistan, UN saysFEMA Employees Warn That Trump Is Gutting Disaster Response. After Hurricane Katrina, Congress passed a law to strengthen the nation's disaster response. FEMA employees say the Trump administration has reversed that progress. Employees at the Federal Emergency Management Agency wrote to Congress on Monday warning that the Trump administration had reversed much of the progress made in disaster response and recovery since Hurricane Katrina pummeled the Gulf Coast two decades ago. The letter to Congress, titled the “Katrina Declaration,” rebuked President Trump's plan to drastically scale down FEMA and shift more responsibility for disaster response — and more costs — to the states. It came days before the 20th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, one of the deadliest and costliest storms to ever strike the United States.Quick Hits:• 25% of security leaders replaced after ransomware attack• Gate 15: Hack Yourself First: Pen Testing for Prevention • FB-ISAO: Ransomware Incident Review January to June 2025• Dissecting PipeMagic: Inside the architecture of a modular backdoor framework• Maryland Transit Administration says cybersecurity incident is affecting some of its servicesNevada state government offices closed after network security incident• Audit of Antisemitic Incidents 2024• MIT report: 95% of generative AI pilots at companies are failing• Report: Russian Sabotage Operations In Europe Have Quadrupled Since 2023• CISA Requests Public Comment for Updated Guidance on Software Bill of Materials• Risky Bulletin: NIST releases face-morphing detection guideline• CVE-2025–41688: Bypassing Restrictions in an OT Remote Access Device• Think before you Click(Fix): Analyzing the ClickFix social engineering technique

Jaridani leo tunaangazia baa la njaa katika ukanda na huduma za afya katika ukanda wa Gaza. Makala tunafuatilia harakati dhidi ya ugaidi ukimulika ripoti ya Katibu Mkuu wa Umoja wa Mataifa, na mashinani tunaangazia simulizi za wakimbizi kupitia vyombo vya habari.Zaidi ya nusu milioni ya watu huko Gaza wameripotiwa kukumbwa na baa la njaa, hali ambayo Katibu Mkuu wa Umoja wa Mataifa António Guterres ameielezea kuwa “janga lililosababishwa na mwanadamu, shutuma ya kimaadili na kushindwa kwa ubinadamu.Shirika la Umoja wa Mataifa la Afya Duniani, WHO, licha ya mazingira magumu linaendelea na juhudi za kuokoa uhai wa kila binadamu katika eneo la Ukanda wa Gaza linalokaliwa kimabavu na Israel. Wakati huo huo linatoa wito kwa mataifa mengine kufuata mfano wa Umoja wa Falme za kiarabu, UAE ambao juzi Jumatano wamewapokea baadhi ya wagonjwa mahututi na majeruhi waliobahatika kuhamishwa Gaza ili kupata huduma za kiafya wanazozihitaji.Katika makala Assumpta Massoi anamulika Mkutano wa Baraza la Usalama la Umoja wa Mataifa uliofanyika wiki hii hapa makao makuu ya Umoja wa mataifa kuangazia harakati dhidi ya ugaidi ukimulika ripoti ya Katibu Mkuu wa Umoja huo kuhusu kikundi cha kigaidi cha ISIL kijulikanacho pia kama Da'esh.Na katika mashinani fursa ni yake Abraham Mwani mwandishi wa habari za wakimbizi kutoka Radio Pacis miongoni mwa wananufaika wa mafunzo ya UNESCO ya kuwezesha vyombo vya habari kusimulia vyema habari za wakimbizi.Mwenyeji wako ni Leah Mushi, karibu!

Tarehe 18 Agosti mwaka 2025 siku ya Jumatano, wajumbe 15 wa Baraza la Usalama walikutana kujadili Ripoti ya Katibu Mkuu wa Umoja wa Mataifa kuhusu kikundi cha kigaidi cha ISIL/Da'esh.Walikabidhiwa ripoti hiyo ya 21 ikimulika vitisho vinavyotokana na kikundi hicho ambacho kirefu chake ni Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant au pia Da'esh. Ripoti ikigusia tishio la kikundi hicho katika maeneo mbalimbali duniani, lakini makala hii initajikita zaidi barani Afrika!

Looking for potential allies inside Mosul, the Task Force has crossed the Tigris River eastward in the direction of Mosul University. Yet as the last ISIL bastion of resistance within Iraq, will there be any signs of resistance they can exploit?  The team decides to split, approaching different objectives to uncover local intel. Find out what they discover as we continue Iconoclasts, a Delta Green campaign. Starring: Schroeder Jeff Daniel Spencer Jeffbot   Want to leave a comment? -Email therancorsbrothel@gmail.com.  -Follow us on Twitter @Rancors_Brothel -Follow us on Instagram @rancorsbrothel

Nos sentamos con Ricardo Canales, profesor del Taller de Guitarra y líder del Club de Música en ISIL, para descubrir su faceta menos conocida: ¡la de gamer apasionado! Conversamos sobre cómo la música y los videojuegos se cruzan en su vida, su evolución como músico, sus juegos favoritos y cómo logra conectar con sus alumnos a través de estos mundos creativos...¡Profe mande partida!

The UK has outlawed Palestine Action, grouping it with ISIL and al-Qaeda. Supporters of the group now risk up to 14 years in prison, and arrests of protesters opposed to the listing have already begun. What does the decision reveal about the UK’s approach to protest and civil disobedience, and how might it reshape the wider Palestine solidarity movement? In this episode: Hil Aked, (@hil_aked), Author and Organizer Episode credits: This episode was produced by Amy Walters, Tamara Khandaker and Noor Wazwaz with Kylene Kiang, Phillip Lanos, Spencer Cline, Melanie Marich, Marya Khan and our guest host, Manuel Rapalo. It was edited by Sarí el-Khalili. Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editor is Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad Al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is the Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio. Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on Instagram, X, Facebook, Threads and YouTube

¿Cómo llegamos a esto?... ¡Rogar un punto para aprobar el curso!... ¿Sabías que hay soluciones estratégicas para evitar llegar al límite? En este episodio, nuestro empático consejero de ISIL Martín Olivera te da las claves para no morir en el intento de aprobar, y sin complicaciones. ¿Nos acompañas? 

Mais de 60 pessoas ficaram feridas no atentado à igreja de Santo Elias, na capital Damasco; investigação preliminar de autoridades atribui autoria ao grupo Estado Islâmico do Iraque e do Levante, Isil, também conhecido como Daesh.

The Insight: Nigeria on Edge - Boko Haram & ISIL Resurgence Unpacked with Abdkabir Azeez by Radio Islam

--- SUBJECT MATTER WARNING --- This campaign contains war atrocities and other crimes committed by ISIL  

In this episode, Daniel J. Levy speaks with Edmund Fitton-Brown, former UK Ambassador to Yemen, about the evolving Houthi threat and its implications for Israel, the Gulf states, and the broader regional balance of power. They explore the role of the Houthis in Iran's attempts to project power in the region and in ongoing talks about the Iranian nuclear programme. Edmund Fitton-Brown is a veteran British diplomat who served as the UK's Ambassador to Yemen from 2015 to 2017 and later coordinated UN expert panels on ISIL, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban. He holds advisory or fellowship positions with the Counter Extremism Project, the Middle East Institute, The Soufan Center and New America.

In this powerful episode, Eoin sits down with Ryan Ahlgren — a wilderness and humanitarian medicine practitioner whose career spans some of the most challenging environments on the planet.From frontline trauma care during the ISIL occupation in Iraq, to medevac operations in Ukraine, to six-week stints deep in the jungles of Papua New Guinea, Ryan shares what it's really like to provide medical care in the face of heat, hardship, and uncertainty. He also discusses his recent role in Antarctica and how diverse experiences have shaped his approach to both emergency and primary care.This episode explores:The realities of conflict and humanitarian medicineLessons in leadership, flexibility, and riskThe importance of ultrasound and sonography in remote settingsAspirations for the future – including medicine in spaceWhether you're a clinician, adventurer, or just fascinated by global health, this one's for you.You can connect with Ryan on LinkedIn here.

Factual misinformation is spread in conflict zones around the world, often with dire consequences. But when is this misinformation actually believed, and when is it not?  Seeing is Disbelieving: Why People Believe Misinformation in War, and When They Know Better (Cambridge University Press, 2024) by Dr. Daniel Silverman examines the appeal and limits of dangerous misinformation in war, and is the go-to text for understanding false beliefs and their impact in modern armed conflict. Dr. Silverman extends the burgeoning study of factual misinformation, conspiracy theories, and fake news in social and political life into a crucial new domain, while providing a powerful new argument about the limits of misinformation in high-stakes situations. Rich evidence from the US drone campaign in Pakistan, the counterinsurgency against ISIL in Iraq, and the Syrian civil war provide the backdrop for practical lessons in promoting peace, fighting wars, managing conflict, and countering misinformation more effectively. This interview was conducted by Dr. Miranda Melcher whose new book focuses on post-conflict military integration, understanding treaty negotiation and implementation in civil war contexts, with qualitative analysis of the Angolan and Mozambican civil wars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

Factual misinformation is spread in conflict zones around the world, often with dire consequences. But when is this misinformation actually believed, and when is it not?  Seeing is Disbelieving: Why People Believe Misinformation in War, and When They Know Better (Cambridge University Press, 2024) by Dr. Daniel Silverman examines the appeal and limits of dangerous misinformation in war, and is the go-to text for understanding false beliefs and their impact in modern armed conflict. Dr. Silverman extends the burgeoning study of factual misinformation, conspiracy theories, and fake news in social and political life into a crucial new domain, while providing a powerful new argument about the limits of misinformation in high-stakes situations. Rich evidence from the US drone campaign in Pakistan, the counterinsurgency against ISIL in Iraq, and the Syrian civil war provide the backdrop for practical lessons in promoting peace, fighting wars, managing conflict, and countering misinformation more effectively. This interview was conducted by Dr. Miranda Melcher whose new book focuses on post-conflict military integration, understanding treaty negotiation and implementation in civil war contexts, with qualitative analysis of the Angolan and Mozambican civil wars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/military-history

Factual misinformation is spread in conflict zones around the world, often with dire consequences. But when is this misinformation actually believed, and when is it not?  Seeing is Disbelieving: Why People Believe Misinformation in War, and When They Know Better (Cambridge University Press, 2024) by Dr. Daniel Silverman examines the appeal and limits of dangerous misinformation in war, and is the go-to text for understanding false beliefs and their impact in modern armed conflict. Dr. Silverman extends the burgeoning study of factual misinformation, conspiracy theories, and fake news in social and political life into a crucial new domain, while providing a powerful new argument about the limits of misinformation in high-stakes situations. Rich evidence from the US drone campaign in Pakistan, the counterinsurgency against ISIL in Iraq, and the Syrian civil war provide the backdrop for practical lessons in promoting peace, fighting wars, managing conflict, and countering misinformation more effectively. This interview was conducted by Dr. Miranda Melcher whose new book focuses on post-conflict military integration, understanding treaty negotiation and implementation in civil war contexts, with qualitative analysis of the Angolan and Mozambican civil wars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/political-science

Factual misinformation is spread in conflict zones around the world, often with dire consequences. But when is this misinformation actually believed, and when is it not?  Seeing is Disbelieving: Why People Believe Misinformation in War, and When They Know Better (Cambridge University Press, 2024) by Dr. Daniel Silverman examines the appeal and limits of dangerous misinformation in war, and is the go-to text for understanding false beliefs and their impact in modern armed conflict. Dr. Silverman extends the burgeoning study of factual misinformation, conspiracy theories, and fake news in social and political life into a crucial new domain, while providing a powerful new argument about the limits of misinformation in high-stakes situations. Rich evidence from the US drone campaign in Pakistan, the counterinsurgency against ISIL in Iraq, and the Syrian civil war provide the backdrop for practical lessons in promoting peace, fighting wars, managing conflict, and countering misinformation more effectively. This interview was conducted by Dr. Miranda Melcher whose new book focuses on post-conflict military integration, understanding treaty negotiation and implementation in civil war contexts, with qualitative analysis of the Angolan and Mozambican civil wars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/middle-eastern-studies

ISIL’s detention camps in northeast Syria remain packed with thousands, with al-Hol alone holding 40,000—mostly wives and children of suspected fighters. Recent Al Jazeera reporting offers a rare inside look at their reality. As Syria enters a post-Assad era, what will become of them? In this episode: Nils Adler (@nilsadler1), Al Jazeera Journalist Episode credits: This episode was produced by Amy Walters, Sonia Bhagat, Ashish Malhotra with Sarí el-Khalili, Phillip Lanos, Spencer Cline, Melanie Marich, Hanah Shokeir, Marcos Bartolomé, and our guest host, Kevin Hirten. It was edited by Kylene Kiang. Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editor is Hisham Abu Salah. Alexandra Locke is the Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio. Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on Instagram, X, Facebook, Threads and YouTube

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Your daily news in under three minutes. At Al Jazeera Podcasts, we want to hear from you, our listeners. So, please head to https://www.aljazeera.com/survey and tell us your thoughts about this show and other Al Jazeera podcasts. It only takes a few minutes! Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Threads and YouTube

Your daily news in under three minutes. At Al Jazeera Podcasts, we want to hear from you, our listeners. So, please head to https://www.aljazeera.com/survey and tell us your thoughts about this show and other Al Jazeera podcasts. It only takes a few minutes! Connect with us: @AJEPodcasts on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook