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Play Episode Listen Later Dec 22, 2022 75:57

Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 4 episode 3 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms: [0:15] Hola. Pastor Bill: [0:17] How are you senior Pastor Newms? Took a nap and it made you happy. Pastor Newms: [0:34] I did, I took a nap had some weird dreams though. Pastor Bill: [0:38] Does a nap that made you happy, is it thereby defined as a nappy? You took a nappy. Pastor Newms: [0:46] No, a nappy is something you put on a baby's butt. Pastor Bill: [0:51] Ah it's also a certain classification of dirty greasy hair. Pastor Newms: [0:58] That's spelled differently. Pastor Bill: [1:00] How is it? How is that spelt? Pastor Newms: [1:02] I don't know, but I know it's spelled differently. Pastor Bill: [1:04] Okay okay well that's neither here nor there I don't know I don't know. Pastor Newms: [1:10] I don't know, I don't even have any hair. Pastor Bill: [1:15] Well you have, you got some you got the beard. Pastor Newms: [1:18] That's not the same kind of hair. Pastor Bill: [1:18] And you've got the chest hair. Pastor Newms: [1:22] I have no chest hair you can't prove it. Pastor Bill: [1:25] And you've got the back here. Pastor Newms: [1:27] You can't prove that either. Pastor Bill: [1:29] But not as much as there was this guy that I was in the internship with at Teen Mania. You know in that first when you first get there, you're you sleep out in the Quonset Huts like the long you know just long dome-tinted room with bunk beds. You're all using these communal showers one shower for the men one shower for the women this dude is so hairy on his chest and back that he looked like he was wearing a sweater vest, he even had it cut into a v in the front and then he had a cross shaved into the back. Pastor Newms: [2:12] That's a look - okay. Pastor Bill: [2:17] But that was crazy like he could be shirtless and from a distance, you'd swear he had a sweater vest on because it did the whole around here by the arms and then he had it a v-neck cut into the front of it, to make it look like a V, what's up Sarafina you gonna join us tonight, a v cut in the front there it was crazy good guy great guy really yeah it was weird, yeah, so how was your week Pastor Newms? Pastor Newms: [2:54] My week was. Pastor Bill: [2:57] My way. Pastor Newms: [2:59] It was. Pastor Bill: [3:01] My week was a very week. Pastor Newms: [3:05] It was pretty good I um… Was you know, busy at work. It's the end of the year and my job tends to get a little crazy towards the end of the year so. Pastor Bill: [3:18] Yeah I was editing the transcript this week and you were saying you guys actually got busier in December which is the antithesis of how it goes. Pastor Newms: [3:28] Antithesis to. Pastor Bill: [3:30] In medical Tech. Pastor Newms: [3:32] Every tech company I've ever worked at except for this one, but that's okay. You know, everyone has a different business model. We try to get a lot of stuff done at the end of the year and at the first of the year too. Bring more clients on right at the beginning and end and that is the business model they have chosen and that is all I will say about that, but yes. Pastor Bill: [4:00] What trips me up in the nonprofit sector was always ending the year in August. Pastor Newms: [4:12] The fiscal year. Pastor Bill: [4:13] Yeah the fiscal year, is like it always just messes with my mind, ending the fiscal year in August and it not corresponding with the daily calendar and oh man. Wal Mart, right and then didn't they did the week's Week 1 week 2 week and you had to know, as a merchandising supervisor, you had to know what week you were in. Pastor Newms: [4:45] You did and it did not correspond to the calendar. Pastor Bill: [4:48] And it did not correspond to the calendar and you if you look at the calendar you went okay what week of the year is it that did not correspond with what merchandise week, it is in the numbers, you had to know and then you had to know what end caps were set for that week and the next week and what you could put together and then sometimes they would just leave you big holes in your department in electronics and they were like, “Just fill it with something…” and you're like, I have a hard enough time getting my general manager to approve orders on the things that are actually supposed to be there, that Walmart says they're supposed to be there I'm not going to get him to order me extra stuff for an empty spot, on my floor, that's not gonna so. Pastor Newms: [5:37] Well let's be honest you were at probably the worst Walmart that I've ever seen. Pastor Bill: [5:44] That's what I hear but it's the only WalMart I've ever worked at. So I don't really have anything to compare it to so. Pastor Newms: [5:51] Oh yeah Biggs stated the Nissan year starts in April because they follow the Japanese year not the calendar year also. Pastor Bill: [6:04] We'll see at least that makes sense. Like that's the cultural calendar from where the company exists there's some logic to that. Pastor Newms: [6:14] It does make more sense than some others will the fiscal year. Pastor Bill: [6:18] And just making up your own calendar. Pastor Newms: [6:21] The fiscal year for retail makes sense too because you want to capture what money you lose to returns in January from Christmas. So that way you actually know what your fiscal year is or if you don't do that, what happens is the first month of your year is - and you, terrible for the year starting off and it hurts because you're years starting - and you spend the rest of the year trying to catch up as opposed to technically that revenue was captured in December and then lost in January. So it's it, that's the reason they do it and it makes sense from a. The way they fiscally are doing it so that way because it is technically lost from the Christmas sales so because of that it balances out so it works pretty well. My week's been pretty good, we also did today the church we visited. This is the third time we visited them, we actually took the girls and they have a full one of their ministries is a theater company. Not like, oh we have drama we do or not you know, hey, we have no but they actually have like a theater where they sell tickets throughout the year and it's a full production and tryouts and it's a full thing, box you know they have the you can order the whole years' worth of stuff and go to all of them and they were doing Christmas Carol for Christmas which is logical. So they put on, for morning service they put on their Christmas Carol and then, so we got to see that for free. what other people had to pay for it that always makes me feel special love free things and then they had a church-wide Christmas party thing afterwards, where there was like everyone brought desserts and so there was a huge dessert bar and, just people just lots of people just people. Pastor Bill: [8:36] People being people in. Pastor Newms: [8:37] And so we sat with the co-worker that Tina has that is her friend. During that so that was good and just overall you know trying to, figure everything out there it's pretty cool place I think but still, you know checking it out. But yeah, so that was kind of cool and then last night we did our first night of our family celebration of Yule which was fun. You should be getting a picture of that from your present. So that's good we'll be doing that for the next eleven nights, until the solstice for Sez in his celebration as well. So that's good. The fire pit was a success, the one I ordered worked very well. We enjoyed it and everyone, most of the family, enjoys the Yule cake that I made. It's a cranberry-based cake so if you don't like cranberries, it's hard to enjoy a cranberry cake if you don't like cranberries like myself but. Pastor Bill: [10:09] I like cranberry, sauce. Pastor Newms: [10:11] No, so this is actually a, it's an old recipe that it's also called Christmas cake sometimes of course because you know dear people love to borrow things from other. Pastor Bill: [10:23] Appropriate. Pastor Newms: [10:24] Yeah we'll use that word. Pastor Bill: [10:27] That's what it is. Its appropriation. Pastor Newms: [10:28] It is it's also theft but that's okay that's what appropriation is, theft of culture. Pastor Bill: [10:34] Appropriation is theft. Pastor Newms: [10:36] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [10:37] It's different there's appreciation which is, taking something and going hey this is a Yule cake, and we're going to enjoy it at Christmas, that's appreciation, then there's appropriation where you go, hey there's your cakes really good but I'm gonna change the name and pretend like it doesn't have some historical meaning attached to it. Pastor Newms: [11:21] Three eggs and then, cranberries and so it's super simple it's nice and crumbly and traditionally you kind of leave it out. You don't like put it in the fridge or put it in the and by the end of Yule it gets a little harder and so it's almost like a bar by the end. The one I made is not going to last to the end of Yule I've already planned on buying more ingredients and making another because I wanted the Cranberries to be semi-fresh so I don't want to or buy them. Pastor Bill: [11:57] Isn't part of the point for it to last and become a hardy you know through that you can continue to eat in the cold. Pastor Newms: [12:06] That is the point of it, but Groggy is here this weekend which means. Pastor Bill: [12:13] It's not going to last. Pastor Newms: [12:13] 7 people in the house. Last night, and even cutting them in like 1 by 1 squares a 13 by 9 only has so many squares in it so, I'm pretty sure it ain't going. Pastor Bill: [12:32] I would imagine the 13 by 9 only has 13 squares across and 9 squares. Pastor Newms: [12:38] That's if I actually measured and did inch squares which you know me, I didn't measure, and they are bigger than a one-by-one. Pastor Bill: [12:47] Those were two-inch squares easily. Pastor Newms: [12:51] If - because it was just knife carving knife you know. But it was good, fire and stuff which is fun I like fire I've limited the amount of wood we bought. We only bought you know a little bit of wood for each night and we're not doing the, belief that the fire has to burn the whole time or it's bad luck because well one, it doesn't you know the sun isn't not going to come back if the fire goes out says, it was like I was like do we need to keep this fire going and we tend it throughout the day and he's like no like okay cool I'll do it if we need to like if that's part of your not belief system but part of the traditions that you do. Pastor Bill: [13:48] He was like I aint sitting out here and tending that fire. Pastor Newms: [13:52] Relax and keep the fire going. We'll just light logs each night and like all right cool so that's kind of what we're doing and that's good it's been a good week how was your week? Pastor Bill: [14:08] It was life, just you know walking the dog every day multiple times it probably like at least every hour. Pastor Newms: [14:16] How's that doing for your health? Pastor Bill: [14:20] I don't know I haven't noticed the difference yet. Pastor Newms: [14:22] I mean like are your knees hurting a lot more are you are you doing okay doing that often? Pastor Bill: [14:28] I mean as long as I sit down for a little bit after doing it each time, I'm fine. I mean I've just got to sit down and let my back recoup. Pastor Newms: [14:36] I wasn't thinking that the standpoint that some people would take of oh you're walking. You don't ever walk normally, you've obviously lost 190 pounds but doing it now I wasn't going that route I meant just. Pastor Bill: [14:46] Actually, and I haven't lost a pound. It doesn't do anything for my weight you know. Pastor Newms: [14:57] Because life's not magical. Pastor Bill: [15:00] That's right life's not magical, and getting a dog at the end of October and walking it every hour except for while you were asleep for a month does not equal weight loss. Pastor Newms: [15:14] Well to be fair if anything it would it could mark weight gain because you're using muscles you normally don't. Pastor Bill: [15:24] Building up those muscles. Pastor Newms: [15:25] Right and that's the worst part about weight is everyone's like most people measure by pounds and they're like, I'm so fat alright I've gotten fatter so I started working out you're like no no you haven't I can see that you look different, I can't tell real well because cameras you know but and I don't see all of you but there's that aspect of, if you do that then obviously you've lost weight if I do like this I look skinny but you know it just doesn't work that way none of us have that good of a tour so we're just pushing fat up so the, but I know there are people that get upset and they're like how I'm gained weight when I started working out you're like yeah but have you measured, and that's the other thing is looking at it from that standpoint. How do your clothes fit? How do your you know? Those types of things are important also not just, poundage because poundage is not how you measure that especially. Pastor Bill: [16:31] That's another guy over there this week. Pastor Newms: [16:50] But I just meant your pain levels, not your. Pastor Bill: [16:51] No my panels are manageable, it's all right my bad there's been a few times where I've been limping the dog out but you know those aren't all the time. Anyway yeah, I mean other than you know you see I got this Christmas tie up. Pastor Newms: [17:19] I do you see your Christmas tie. Pastor Bill: [17:22] I've got this Christmas tree over here that I've added to my office Shelf ah. Pastor Newms: [17:27] I am, I don't think I have anything Christmas. Pastor Bill: [17:41] Put this in your stuff. Pastor Newms: [17:43] We do have two Christmas trees this year. One that has no ornaments and isn't plugged in because I forgot that we, found a Christmas tree towards the end of last year middle of last year when we ordered it. I forgot I just remembered the fact that we didn't have one, and so we were doing something we were out there for the wedding, and Walmart the one over on Cheek Sparger had just put out their Christmas trees. So I found a six-foot black one and bought it and then brought it home and Tina's like, you know we already have one and I was like yeah of course I do, which I had forgotten a little bit oh okay I now do you want to be on camera or no just hand, okay I now have a black Christmas tree. Pastor Bill: [18:46] That's not 6 foot that's um. Pastor Newms: [18:48] That's this one's not 6ft does that work could not be seen that can't be seen and used to be over here we'll put it right here for Here We Go. Pastor Bill: [19:01] Then I just put it right in front of the camera like. Pastor Newms: [19:03] Right in front of the camera okay. Pastor Bill: [19:06] Just sitting right in front there you go. Pastor Newms: [19:07] So I have a Christmas tree now it's a wonderful Christmas tree and it's. Pastor Bill: [19:14] Move it over Happy Halloween, nice. Pastor Newms: [19:14] It's definitely a Christmas tree and nothing else other than a Christmas tree all right. Pastor Bill: [19:22] Don't just move it over to the right, come on man move it to the right up hiding behind the tree okay is that right okay move it to the left then, hold it nope too far little bit more in a little bit more into the camera a little bit more little bit right there oh Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms: [19:47] You want me to okay there's a second one I could technically bring it and put it right in front of the Saints but. Pastor Bill: [19:54] It doesn't even look real it looks like you've added an image a PNG image into the shot, not a real tree. Pastor Newms: [20:07] It looks purply because the red light right there, there's a red light right there, and there's a red light right there. That's the reflection of the red light that's over there and there's red lights right here but yeah so. Pastor Bill: [20:28] All right so Biggs on Twitch asks what kind of dog did you get. My dog is a pit lab, it seems American Pit Bull and Chocolate Lab. I love her, she's great. She's a little stinker though sometimes she plays a little too hard with the kids, but she's just a baby. Pastor Newms: [20:55] Labs have that issue, I've never owned a pit, but well Kaiju has just a little bit but it's not much she's mainly lab but, never had a full mix and Kaiju doesn't understand that she's 65 pounds, she thinks that she is 10 pounds and she gets jealous Shyla will lay right here on your shoulder when you're sitting in a chair, and she puts her back she puts her front up here and then you're supposed to hold her butt and then and then she just cuddles just like a cat, yeah just like a 10-pound 12-pound cat you know no big deal she claws the whole way up but that's okay you know she's special and if you try to remove her, by shoulder meat but. Pastor Bill: [21:49] Really at the claws then. Pastor Newms: [21:50] Yeah you really get too close if that's the case but then she'll start whining and then try to climb up in the chair with you, and I'm not talking like you know big fluffy lazy boys I'm talking just like chair, you know we've got these swirly, these swivel chairs that are like you know the only the backs only go like, this tall on your back you know. She'll try to pick her up and you're holding her and then she gets right here and she's like I could do it and the tails just, you know smacking you over and over again because she's happy and you're just like oh my gosh you got to get down. But yeah she so I can do it too just dad look, and it doesn't it doesn't work here like no no baby you can't it hurts you got to get down because she has no idea. Pastor Bill: [22:44] But I is baby. Pastor Newms: [22:46] Yeah so yeah dogs are fun. Pastor Bill: [22:56] All right so now it's time for. Getting To Know The Pastors. Pastor Newms: [23:02] See this is the problem, I think we do enough of this in the opening that we don't have to do these cards, and yet you say we have to do these cards. Let's just see… if you were to create just create not go to but create. Pastor Bill: [23:17] Okay I'm creating something. Pastor Newms: [23:19] The ultimate vacation destination. Where would it be located and what would it be like? Now here's my question if I can create the ultimate vacation spot right I would assume that I can also create the means to get there. Pastor Bill: [23:55] I mean you own the place you could technically live there. Pastor Newms: [23:59] No, I mean like if I'm granted a wish of the ultimate vacation spot by definition, if you were the Jinn doing this you'd have to then create the ability to get people their back or wouldn't be the ultimate vacation spot because no one could go there, okay cool alright go ahead. Pastor Bill: [24:23] It sounds like you've put more thought into this than I have what you what do you what do you brewing over there. Pastor Newms: [24:34] Under the Sea. The domed like Atlantis style amusement park under the sea. Pastor Bill: [24:42] There's that one hotel that only has one room. Pastor Newms: [24:47] And they. Pastor Bill: [24:48] And it is a submerged room. Pastor Newms: [24:54] That's what I'm thinking Atlantis Style, like domed sea creatures all around you hopefully, the meg is not real, and you know we're good to go. Pastor Bill: [25:10] The meg is not real. Pastor Newms: [25:12] Don't start cuz I got someone in this house that believes the meg is 100% real and so no man don't start this conversation we will lose it. Pastor Bill: [25:23] Dude I can't swim in swimming pools if they're too deep because of my fear of deep-water animals so, I understand the fear. Pastor Newms: [25:40] I won't swim in the ocean, and I won't swim in lakes. Catfish get too big and there are other things other than catfish that can just crawl up from other places and there goes your foot you had a foot you got a foot. Pastor Bill: [25:56] Zaydiee, were doing Get To Know The Pastor's. The card was, if you could create a destination is what are you talking about. Pastor Newms: [26:02] Oh Zaydiee knows what we're talking about. Zaydiee knows what we're talking about. Pastor Bill: [26:11] Or she asking what are you talking about who believes the meg is she's just so guy you've been naughty better now you gotta expose somebody. Pastor Newms: [26:17] Nah I'm good. Pastor Bill: [26:20] Who in your house believes the meg is real? Pastor Newms: [26:22] The megalodon is real. Its knowledge. Pastor Bill: [26:26] It's you isn't it? You're the one that believes the meg is real, isn't it? Pastor Newms: [26:30] We have proof that the Meg was real. Pastor Bill: [26:34] Once. We don't have proof that there are any more. Pastor Newms: [26:38] We don't have proof there's not. Pastor Bill: [26:40] It's true there are depths of the ocean we've never been to. Pastor Newms: [26:45] That's why I believe Nessie is real too. Some of Tina's favorite movies are The Meg and, she loves them and I'm like no that's real, there's those fall right into my I don't do ghost movies and I don't like zombies, see she believes they still exist as well. Pastor Bill: [27:14] So we watched The Meg, and you know there's some jump scares in that movie and if I remember if I'm remembering correctly Roxanne you know I was just unaffected by it Roxanne was like isn't this scary to you? I was like no, because I would never be caught dead in that underwater enclosure so it's not realistic I would never be in that situation so that is not scary to me because I wouldn't go in. I would be firm on the land. Pastor Newms: [27:48] What if your wife and kids had gone and now they're trapped would you go to save them. Pastor Bill: [27:57] What good would it do to have me die too? What purpose would that serve? Pastor Newms: [28:05] Hmm, mmm, man Rox hun, Bat-Brains you gotta come fix your man. Pastor Bill: [28:21] I said so much every other day the kids asked me some question if blah blah blah blah blah would you come would you save me so if I got kidnapped, would you pull a Liam Neeson and come and save me and I was like I don't have those skills. And Roxanne showed me this dirty-look and I was like, what? I don't. I couldn't save them. Well would you at least pay the ransom dad? With what would I pay the ransom with. Pastor Newms: [28:59] Oh, Shea family, y'all are dead if anything happens to y'all. Just so you know, Pastor Bill cannot help you. Pastor Bill: [29:08] I cannot help you, I do not have the skills of Liam Neeson. I do not have the money of Bruce Wayne. I am unhelpful in a kidnap situation in any way. Well, you aren't either I mean come on honestly. Pastor Newms: [29:28] No but I thought I would. Pastor Bill: [29:30] If your kid was kidnapped there's nothing you could do about it but call the police and sit on your hands and wait for something to happen. Pastor Newms: [29:37] I honestly don't think I could. No, I would have to at least try. Pastor Bill: [29:48] You'd want to try. Pastor Newms: [29:49] I'd have to call in some favors. I have to find some numbers from old books but, doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. Pastor Bill: [30:05] I have a very specific set of historically documented skills. And they don't handle kidnapping. You call me for other things. You don't call me for kidnapping, you call me for other things. Pastor Newms: [30:22] That is true. Pastor Bill: [30:23] Kidnapping is not on that list. Pastor Newms: [30:24] Kidnappings is not on your list. I'd have to make some phone calls, but I would try hmm it's been 20 years. Pastor Bill: [30:33] Alright so my place. Pastor Newms: [30:35] Aha. Pastor Bill: [30:37] So I really when that question comes up my brain automatically remembered the day in Panama that we spent on the beach. it was the Gulf of Mexico really, but it was on the beach in Panama. White Sands, lots of shade where you didn't have to be in the sun if you didn't want to, the water was crystal clear all the way down, and so you know, and it wasn't that deep you could go swimming you know. You could see what was going on and so my brain automatically goes, well I should create something like that. Nice little water area where you're technically outside but you don't have to be in the sun if you don't want to. Nice big canopy where you know if you want to be in the sun go over there, if you don't want to be in the sun you come over here, and you can swim if you want and there's snorkeling if that's your thing and just hanging out. That'd be my place. Pastor Newms: [31:48] I see. Pastor Bill: [31:50] And at one point okay so the water was like super warm crystal clear, super warm, and then it started raining, and the rain was like super cold but it wasn't too heavy and the water that you were in was super warm and so it's like this awesome mix of just, being submerged in warm water while this cold rain fell on your head and it's beautiful scenery, and yeah it was great. Pastor Newms: [32:19] I'm going to take your word for it. Pastor Bill: [32:24] By far one of the best, what did we call those days when you're on a missions trip and you went off? Excursion, best excursion day of all of my missions trips, it beats bamboo rafting down the river and then swimming at the base of a waterfall in Thailand hands down. Although that might have had something to do with the leeches, that we then had to pull off of ourselves when we were done swimming. Anyway, so yeah that's my thing, and riding elephants was fun, except don't sit on the neck unless you've won more than just blue jeans because those little hairs on elephant necks are tough, and they will poke right through your blue jeans. That is a prickly ride down a mountain, stay where you're at. Pastor Newms: [33:37] Yeah yeah. Pastor Bill: [33:42] All right all right. Pastor Newms: [33:43] Here I do say there is somewhere I want to go I want to take the girls because I haven't yet, there's a lost sea here in this area and it's you basically go down. Well it's called the lost sea because when they found it they were like oh this was lost to time you know blah blah blah, but you go down into it, and it's an underground system of caves that they've you know been taking people through for who knows how many years. So because of that you know, it's built up nice and its still very much, do do do do do do. Glass bottom boat, and you go on this sea, like you know it's an underground lake. It's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous and like during the prohibition time there was a bar down there. Today its carved, like they've carved stairs into the rock and you can't actually use the stairs because they're too dangerous or not because it's too dangerous but the funny thing is when your lower. This is a funny story when you're lower you don't feel the effects of alcohol as much because of the way the, something about the air and something about them and so then as you go up the stairs you feel the effects this is what they tell you at least I don't know if this is true might be you feel the effects of the alcohol more as you get into. You know miss you get back up and so some people would open the door and then like, the wind would come in and they'd fall back down the stairs and so it was actually a hazard, to drink down there. But you know, it was the prohibition, so people did it anyway. It's called The Lost Sea. Pastor Bill: [35:48] did they carry the pieces down and build the boat on the Lost Sea? Or did they somehow transport the boat whole into the hole? It feels as perplexing as seeing those pirate ships in a bottle like. Okay. Pastor Newms: [36:24] It's a pontoon boat Biggs says, I don't know if that answers the question. Pastor Bill: [36:29] They might have just carried it down there then. Pastor Newms: [36:33] I mean it's not a huge for anyone who wants the information there you go. Pastor Bill: [36:45] TheLostSea.com. Pastor Newms: [36:47] But it's. Pastor Bill: [36:48] Ready to take an unforgettable adventure? Take a boat ride underground. You've never seen, heard, or done anything like this before. Pastor Newms: [36:56] How do you see what I did you click the. Pastor Bill: [36:56] Listed in the Guinness Book of Records your lost the adventure begins with a guided tour of the caverns this includes a three-quarter mile round trip walk on a wide sloping pathways, while touring that's all I got. You were like, “How are you, how are you reading what I.” what did you think about that. Pastor Newms: [37:19] Because I was like, wait did you click the link to stop clicking links man you're not I'm the one who does random stuff while we're doing this you're the one who tries to stay focused. What's wrong? Pastor Bill: [37:34] I accidentally turned on the movie I was watching earlier. And so suddenly the movie Bohemian Rhapsody at 50 minutes in started playing over my head buds and I was like, what is that where's that music what's going on. It was over on this screen behind my notes I didn't see it I just because I tapped my ear. Pastor Newms: [38:01] Oh yeah, the boats aren't that big, you basic they're just like seat CC and then like foot room and it's glass and so they probably it's nice I like it. Pastor Bill: [38:17] So season 4 episode 1. Picked up Genesis chapter 1 and verses 1 and 2. And then and that was called in the beginning and then episode 2 which we called also in the beginning, we did John chapter 1 verses 1 through 4. You can get rid of the tree if you'd like, you don't have to leave the Christmas tree there it's fine. All right, now tonight in episode 3 the title is turn up the house lights. And we are looking at Genesis chapter 1 versus 3 and four so let's read. Pastor Newms: [39:17] So can I take a guess what we're talking about. Pastor Bill: [39:21] We're talking about Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 and 4. Pastor Newms: [39:24] Does it have to do with light - based on the title? Pastor Bill: [39:28] Based off the title of tonight's episode you would probably be a good. Pastor Newms: [39:34] Yay I guessed it. Pastor Bill: [39:39] All right you want to put in the chat Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 and 4 there. Actually, we're not going to get all the way through verse four. We're going to do the first half of verse 4. Then God said let there be light and there was light God saw the light was good and that's only half of verse 4 because that's as far as we're going to get, not actually going to get into the and God separated the light from the darkness okay. Because we're not going to get that far we've only got 14 minutes. Pastor Newms: [40:23] Well I mean I'm sorry the conversation was lively. Pastor Bill: [40:29] The conversation was lively. Pastor Newms: [40:32] I'm bad at following times you know this. Pastor Bill: [40:34] (Singing to the tune of “Let it Snow”) The weather outside is frightening but the conversation is lively. Pastor Newms: [40:43] Please just go, no I mean in that song There's a great thing because there's some mixed historical, things about what that song could mean and someone did a spoof where the girls doing the same exact parts, but the guys like no you need to go well. Pastor Bill: [41:07] That's a different song but yeah. Pastor Newms: [41:08] Is it. Pastor Bill: [41:10] Hey you're talking to your thinking about “Baby It's Cold Outside”. Pastor Newms: [41:12] Oh I was. Pastor Bill: [41:13] Totally different song, yeah the song you're talking about was featured on. Pastor Newms: [41:18] My brain I'm sorry. Pastor Bill: [41:21] That Christmas movie on Netflix. I can't remember the name of it but it's got that, the comedian the Asian comedian has the glasses what his name is. He's done a few Netflix special comedy specials can't remember his name anyway that's not that's neither here nor there. Pastor Newms: [41:46] Is Grayson praying for us to stop and be focused or. Pastor Bill: [41:49] Grayson is praying for our mental sanity he's like oh dear Lord help them, Lord. Pastor Newms: [41:57] What is it what is he praying for exactly? Pastor Bill: [42:00] So Genesis 1 chapter 3 in our translations it says then God said let there be light and there was light okay now when we go to, the Strong's to find out what words are actually they're right we find out that there's one, two, three, four, five, six words. There's only six words here okay, and the words using the same translation the words are “God said be light; be light” are the words. There is no “then” there is no “let there” and there is no “and.” It's just God said be light be light. So, there's a lot of context that has to be thrown in to make a sentence like and God said let there be light and there was light. The problem with contexts when you're talking about something like Genesis chapter one is you have no context. The only way to add words to what's being said, is to make them up is to go well in the future, because we see what happens in the future, we think that what they're saying here is this, and we backwards paste our expectation onto earlier scriptures. And say well we're going to translate this way because of what we read later and what we find out later, but when we break it down and we look at just the words that are there to try to get this deeper understanding and this deeper look at what's going on. Once again, we don't necessarily find the translation to be wrong, but we do find the translation to be shallow. And we don't find it to be bad, but we do find it to be more leaning in a poetic form. So it's crafting this poetic idea that they're trying to communicate, but it's coming across without any of its depth and it's supposed to flow like poetry so it's not hitting all of that those markers of substance that we want, when we're reading the Bible so let's look at the words that are actually there, the first word is God but the God there is that same word for God that we've been seeing so far, in verses 1 and 2 which is Elohim I've got my e-sword up here on the right-hand side of the screen, you can kind of see some of it if you're watching the video, the word there's Elohim it's H430 which is that plural of God which is God's or Divine beings we talked about last week. This definitely included Jesus, because John told us, in the beginning, was the word we also saw that the commentaries really preferred either plan promise provision or motive, instead of translating as word. And then the motive becomes. Human. He is Jesus. So Jesus was there in the beginning, it's part of this plural but it doesn't negate other beings being a part of the creation as well. We apply that understanding to the text like I said because of what we learned later. Now in its original form Genesis chapter one wasn't even, like we said in episode one of season 4 it wasn't a Jewish text it's not a Christian text it's not an Abrahamic text. It's actually a chapter they borrowed when they were in captivity in Babylon, so the meanings of these words could very well have intended by its original writers, to include a whole Pantheon of beings when it said Elohim and it meaning you know a Pantheon of Gods. God said for the Gods, I said now the said there is well it's aw-mar' H559 if you're following along in a Strongs Thesaurus. It is to say and it's used with great latitude it is answer a point of ouch bid boast self call certify challenge charge, um Man commandment commune there's a lot of words there I'm not going to read all of those because it's a pretty lengthy list of things that you can, technically use this word to mean because of that great latitude but you get the idea here of what that word is said. Okay, then we get to the next word, which is be. Now be is haw-yaw' H1961 and that is to exist be or become come to pass always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary. Yeah, it's not a passive word, it's not a side word it is a main word. My words are failing. Pastor Newms: [48:28] I'm like what were you trying to say. Pastor Bill: [48:31] It's a main word all right, exist and then the next word is light which is ore is the pronunciation there, H216 which comes from H215 and it is illumination for concretely luminary, every sense of the meaning of the word luminary including lightning happiness Etc. It can be bright clear day like lightning morning sun, but even there. Light in this actual in this context right because we have two verses before this is our only actual context. In the context of those two verses and what we broke them down and saw what they meant and how deep they were and what this scene is that we've with it has been painted for us, light is an over simplification of the translation of the word ore. Just like saying darkness in verse 2 which is the word kho-shek' was an over simplification of that word because that word kho-shek', is the word darkness, they translated as Darkness or the dark that one's H2822 from verse 2 which is this chapter one but when we looked at it we saw that it meant that means darkness - figuratively misery destruction death ignorant sorrow wickedness darkness night of security, it doesn't just mean dark is in the absence of visible light that word is so much more than that and to just translate it as darkness as is an over simplification, of the message. They're just like light is an oversimplification of this the concept of what's happening here, is so much deeper than we can really wrap into finite words to try to explain what's going on. But basically, there's always void in this darkness and there's you know the Earth is there and the spirit of God is moving or we said warring could be it was a very aggressive word, on the face of the deep against the darkness against misery and sorrow and all these things. There was no way for life to exist that spark of life wasn't anywhere in the universe. And last week when we were going in John chapter 1 we got to that verse 4 and we were talking about the all of my commentaries agree that the light, was you know the motive was the light in the light was the life of men. That light they were talking about was sentience that it was the spark of life that it was what separates life from not life and that allowed human beings to then, take that step up to awareness of your surroundings and wanting to better ourselves the basic things that are sentience and enlightenment. So then we go back to Genesis and we look at well, were oversimplifying all these words so this light that may have been the word that was used but the meaning behind this word. Is spark of existence is the ability of life, is happiness, is brightness, is joy this all these things, are all tied up right in this work. And so when we look at this verse again and we take everything that we saw in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 2 and then we go to verse 3 we no longer see, God said let there be light we get this mental image of God, greeting an old friend named light as if light already exists. So it's this concept of if Newms called me and we hadn't talked in a few days, and it wasn't weird for him to call me because normally he just text, but if it wasn't for him to call me and we hadn't talked in a few days when I picked up the phone I would say, “Newms!” And I would greet my old friend as if he existed right there with me this is the concept were reading about in Genesis 1:3, God said, “Light!” Greeting light as if it existed, happiness joy life the existence of Life the spark of life greeted it as if it existed, called out to something that didn't exist as if it did exist and he was very familiar with it. And then light existed, that's the concept that we're looking at in verse 3. Does that make sense? Pastor Newms: [54:14] Yeah, it's not just like flip the switch thing it's the way it is still making something exists, but it is definitely in a different, feeling then what is sometimes conveyed, to people it is. Pastor Bill: [54:38] And you get a lot of questions at this point. How did light exist if the sun didn't exist yet? How does this work? Why? Well , it's because we're not actually talking about. Pastor Newms: [54:49] Lights. Pastor Bill: [54:50] The light that you are perceiving with your eyes. We're talking about happiness and life and joy and, this is the word that we've translated as light it's not actually light rays from a light source that's not what's being created here. So then we get to the next verse see we're already out of time and I've probably got 15 more minutes in me. Pastor Newms: [55:12] Let's be honest I might have elongated the beginning, so it's okay. Pastor Bill: [55:19] So I'm going to go for 15 more minutes and then what we'll call it okay. So we get to verse 4 and we're using the same word for God. Remember we're only going to do the first half of verse 4. We got the same word that's just this multiple word were talking about this plural God, and then we get to the word saw okay. And this word That We're translating as saw (surprise-surprise) is an oversimplification. The word saw is actually a compound of two separate words or rather it's the usage of two separate words raw-aw' and ayth. Raw-aw' is H7200 and ayth is H853 those are those numbers if you want to go look those up. Now, H7200 is to see, literally or figuratively it's used in numerous applications direct and implied transitively in transitively and causative lie, it is advised yourself appear approved behold considered discern make to enjoy have experienced gaze take heed. It's all the things that you would think of for seeing. Yeah, it is saw that word ayth, however. Is in the demonstrative sense of entity properly self, but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition even or namely as such unrepresented in English well, I'm here to tell you how to represent that in English. You ready okay. Raw-aw' ayth is to look within yourself. So the gods or God looked within themself. It looked within themself and what they found there they found the light. It looked within themself found the light that they had just created. And judging it against themself saw that it was good okay? So God looked inside of himself and given everything that God was, God is, God always will be, judge the light against that. And based off of what God saw inside of himself he declared that it was good. The that there kee H3588. Nothing deep about that word it's just prepositional prefect's its, it indicates casual relationships of all kinds. It's the word that and the word good is tobe, it's H2896, it's good as an adjective in the widest sense use likewise as a noun both in the masculine and the Feminine singular and the plural, good a good or good thing a good man or woman good goods or good things good men or women also an adverb well beautiful best better Bountiful cheerful at ease, fair word be in favor fine glad good, deed, deedlier deadliest deadly deed - Deeds, graciously joyful kindly kindness like if like it's best loving Mary most Pleasant, please have pledged your precious Prosperity ready sweet wealth welfare bewell be favored, good means. In all the sense of good right. It doesn't mean good for something it doesn't mean, taste good it doesn't mean oh yeah that's good but it's not best it doesn't mean you know oh I'm good but I'm not well it doesn't mean you know it's not these modern ways that we use the word good, by good, he was in Eternal fate, that this thing in the widest sense of the definition. Was beautiful best better Bountiful cheerful it's this all-encompassing word of that is a good thing always, God looked within himself and he compared the light to what he saw inside of himself that it was good, remember that light is life that light is that spark of creation that light is, is all the things that would come to be enlightenment it is all the things that would come to be tensions it is all the things that, cause the universe to spin and causes gravity to work and causes you know everything to be, moving and growing and changing and that, without that light, everything just sat stagnant in death and Decay and misery. Darkness there was no moving forward there was no spark there was no change there was no sentience there was no existence. There was just cold dark rocks and primordial ooze. Until God greeted light as an old friend, causing light or causing life to exist spark of life to exist compared life to himself and went yeah life is good. Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 through the first half of verse 4. See what we relegate to elementary school we relegate toSunday school and we relegate to a quippy poem, written in archaic version of English that we've been tried to dumb down and translate down and transliterate into the easiest version to read, it's really some of the heaviest stuff in the Bible it's so deep and so existential. It blows my mind every time I go back and start to study it again. How deep the pictures that are being painted actually are in Genesis chapter 1. Pastor Newms, you have anything you want to add to that? Pastor Newms: [1:03:36] No it's exactly like you said we so often look upon, you know these topics and we glaze over them based on, the English that used to be glazed over them based on what we've been taught and you know it's probably some of the most read parts of the Bible. Pastor Bill: [1:04:02] Second to John 3:16 but yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:04:04] Yeah because and the reason I say this is every year, probably Millions but at least thousands of Christians start a reading plan start with Genesis and then fail somewhere around you know either the Minor Prophets or, you know Numbers cuz some people don't and so. Pastor Bill: [1:04:29] If you're reading the whole Bible in the course of the Year Kudos that's great but you might as well be reading the phone book I mean. Pastor Newms: [1:04:39] Well. Pastor Bill: [1:04:40] Once you're actively studying what are you reading, if you're just reading it to read it and you're not listening to Holy Spirit and you're not pacing yourself. Pastor Newms: [1:04:50] There you go. Pastor Bill: [1:04:51] Right because if you're trying to read it in a year you're reading three chapters a day at least. Pastor Newms: [1:04:57] You are but. Pastor Bill: [1:04:59] Unless you're sitting down and taking all day to read those three chapters you're probably missing a lot. Pastor Newms: [1:05:07] There are some of us that read, and comprehend differently everyone learns differently the spirit speaks to everyone differently so there are people who do get, out of a daily Bible reading like that they do because they take the time to listen to the holy spirit so there is. Pastor Bill: [1:05:27] But it's I would say probably one percent of people that are doing yearly Bible readings are those people. Pastor Newms: [1:05:34] I don't know if it's quite that low but it is lower than what people anticipate the key though is the listening, and a lot of people there are some people who do the reading and don't do the listening, and those are normally the people who will not make it through because you're not going to get anything out of, large portions I never make it through because I forget it exists because. Pastor Bill: [1:06:07] I never make it through because they're like Read Genesis chapters 1 through 3 today and I'm like I get through the first five verses of Genesis and I'm done for the day and I'm like I'm so far behind by the end of the first week, but I'm like I can't even catch up at this point. I can't even catch up. Pastor Newms: [1:06:28] No I understand but I'm just saying there are so because of that this is some of the you know most read parts of the Bible because if you pick up a book you start at the beginning and that's what everyone does and so, it's interesting how much people will miss if they just blow through it, don't think on it don't apply the, the studying aspect and just blow through reading it because all I know the Judges I know Genesis is easy I've been taught Genesis since I was little like that's an easy story I know it just like put, do you understand the meanings behind the heavy words that are used not just, you know yes this happened. Pastor Bill: [1:07:24] And if you try to translate Genesis with all that weight behind it, they would probably be 10 times longer you know if you really tried to explain in the full concept of what actually is there. Now you don't think so. Pastor Newms: [1:07:45] Because I mean, you get into farther parts of Genesis and there's even weightier stuff that would take you know there's this some of its real big so I do. Pastor Bill: [1:08:04] Honestly honestly I don't even think, I don't even think Genesis is a good place to start if you're a new Christian or if you're just like, I'm gonna start reading the Bible I don't think Genesis is a good place to start anyway like we said like the first ten chapters of Genesis, they're not Christian text or not Abrahamic text or not Jewish texts there straight history, from the viewpoints of other cultures, that then someone in the Jewish realm said that seems like truth to me we're going to include that. I used to really start in Genesis and then as Jesus makes references. Pastor Newms: [1:08:54] You said Genesis as you should start in Genesis I know that's not what you meant. Pastor Bill: [1:08:59] You should start in Math maybe not Matthew. I would think I would start in mark. Pastor Newms: [1:09:08] You would a lot of people say start in John. Pastor Bill: [1:09:12] Mark was the first one next you write the Gospel his gospel and then. Pastor Newms: [1:09:15] No I understand why you would say. Pastor Bill: [1:09:17] Matthew and Luke both had a copy of Mark when they were writing there's and then you know John is good, but even John is a little deep for starting I think it would be better started Marks you get the overview of the story and then we John so you get the deeper behind the story, and then move on beyond there and honestly only go back to the Old Testament, when the New Testament references it. And then when you're done with the New Testament if you like you know what I want to go do a deep study about you know what all this stuff is and the origins of it didn't go back to the Old Testament. And read through it because the New Testament when they quote the Old Testament they're very clear that they're quoting the Old Testament and you can easily go back and go okay well where's this quoting and if you don't understand it. It's all cross-referenced Every Bible you're ever going to get it's going to have cross-references so that you can go back and understand what you know why they're saying it this way why they do it that way. The only time you should be in the Old Testament is when you intend to study you shouldn't just be there to read. That's my take on it. Pastor Newms: [1:10:44] Yeah I. Pastor Bill: [1:10:45] You may disagree that's and that's okay. Pastor Newms: [1:10:46] We do on this one and that's okay the eye I like both as far as, if you are a new Christian I agree with you wholeheartedly please, he's starting the New Testament because you're going to get caught up in some stuff and not until you understand the grace of the New Testament you can get caught up in some Old Testament stuff that's going to flip you but. Pastor Bill: [1:11:12] Yeah for goodness sakes First and Second Kings are just lists of ways that people are screwed up and need a savior like, that's all first and second Kings are and Judges. Judges is the same way. Pastor Newms: [1:11:27] Yeah so I mean it's definitely the old. Pastor Bill: [1:11:30] List of example after example after example after example after example of why we need a savior and you're sitting here reading these awful things, and thinking is this cool it's just okay that things that they're doing and it's like no it's not. That's the whole point of that book. Pastor Newms: [1:11:49] Yeah the whole point of the first half is “no” and so. I do think once you have settled there is time to there is a time to reflect on the whole thing. Pastor Bill: [1:12:04] But see that's the thing is the reflect not just read but actually take it in. Let me add on a qualifier then casual. Do not casually read the Old Testament. Pastor Newms: [1:12:36] Right. Pastor Bill: [1:12:38] That's my qualifier because most people casually read. Pastor Newms: [1:12:43] That's true I'll give you that one I'll give you. Pastor Bill: [1:12:47] Should never be casually reading. Pastor Newms: [1:12:49] I don't think I'm able to casually read I don't think that's why I have so many books behind me. Pastor Bill: [1:12:57] You can casually read the book of Acts you can, you literally have there's no hidden secrets in the book of Acts it is literally God did this miracle for the church then God did this thing through the church and then God did this thing too. And if they're not excited about God moving on the Earth, then you can casually read it. Now myself Acts doesn't particularly excite me, it just doesn't. I get it God moves God does things I believe it, it's cool, other people read acts and they get all excited about it and that's fine for them that's cool but you can technically casually read it you don't have to do a whole bunch of study to take any information there. The Old Testament is not written that way. All right well that's what we have for tonight I hope you guys enjoyed it. The Berean Manifesto comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts. If you've enjoyed this episode, it's helped you or you think it might help someone else. Please like, share, follow - all the things on social media and where are you get your podcasts. That really helps expand our reach and then forward a link to someone you know might benefit from this episode or one of the other episodes that we've done. 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Pastor Bill: [0:03] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 58 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I'm joined by Pastor Newms. I'm in Texas where it has been in the 30s today I'm not sure that it got out of the 30s today and Pastor Newms is in Tennessee. Pastor Newms what's the weather like in Tennessee today? Pastor Newms: Eh… Pastor Bill: That's not really. Pastor Newms: [0:33] I don't pay attention to the actual number so I can't give you an actual number was. The girls wore a jacket I put my leather jacket on to walk but that was was it you know was not really cool. Just mean I know the temperature. Pastor Bill: [0:57] Okay okay okay he has been out Biggs, he went out to go to church this morning, I think I mean I didn't really track him or anything but he wasn't on Discord and on Sunday mornings it usually means he went to church. See there, Zaydiee for the win that is today was pretty with a high in the upper 40s and mostly cloudy dark drury day which is uh thank you. Pastor Newms: [1:46] My allergies have got me like super tired like my eyes are all puffy and like my vision is blurry sometimes like when I'll blink wrong and there was just stuff, you're like so I've been kind of. Yawn yawn yep Yawn is how my week has been um my week was pretty good I was real busy with work, we had some stuff going on and then we had other stuff going on and then more stuff so I was busy all week with that and then tired after that, didn't do much. Pastor Bill: [2:37] So my week has been tired I've been really tired this week so tired. Pastor Newms: [2:54] Okay we're going to have a lively night tonight I can tell. Pastor Bill: [3:05] Mmm got a relaxed attitude going tonight so I got a new camera this week, and so that's nice it's a nice quality camera mainly because I'm retiring my iPhone and I got that you know the phone we talked about last week, you know there is a setting that he could change on his camera where it wouldn't do that but he hasn't changed it he likes it that it goes blurry all the time. Pastor Newms: [3:36] Well the problem is if I don't if I don't change it then I mean if I change it when I do move, I'd have to go in and manually change it the 1% Zoom depending on when I'm sitting here or sitting here so. Pastor Bill: [4:05] Change it to autofocus responsive instead of autofocus passive and it won't do that anymore it won't give you the whole blurry penis, see I can go back and I'm so focused on going forward and I'm still focused and turn side to side and I'm still focused put my hand up here and my hand is in Focus remove it down in my face is still in focus. Pastor Newms: [4:30] That might be that might be a pro only version. Pastor Bill: [4:34] Oh really it's in the the software the synapse 3 but you're right it might be tied just to my camera. Pastor Newms: [4:43] Yeah I do anywho. Pastor Bill: [4:48] Okay cool so that was my week I got the new technology your wife is upset at you for moving a lot when you're on camera but that's just you we can't really do anything about, now and there it goes you disappeared. Yeah okay then I guess we don't need to see Pastor Newms in space, yeah so yeah you what's up, so you turned everything off their newms yeah so there's no video at all right. Pastor Newms: [5:35] I did I did I turned everything off my bad I turned everything off I know well it was it said pastor newms across the bottom. Pastor Bill: [5:43] Yeah just a black video that says pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [5:45] It wasn't total it wasn't total black but you know I knew what I was doing I knew I could see it. Pastor Bill: [5:53] So the better now am I back home screen list. Pastor Newms: [5:57] Yeah you are I'm not. Pastor Bill: [5:58] Okay okay I don't know why you're not on screen but. Pastor Newms: [6:02] Cuz I was confirming what you said and I don't see it so it means it's probably a pro only thing. Pastor Bill: [6:09] Or you need to download synapse 3 you've probably got synapse to. Pastor Newms: [6:19] Although I just killed my camera completely somehow. Pastor Bill: [6:24] Because my camera won't even work on synapse to like I had to uninstall and reinstall synapse completely to get synapse 3 to run so that my camera would work because my camera wouldn't even run on synapse to, which I thought was interesting but anyway, so we've done our weeks and now it's time for getting another pastors. Pastor Newms: [6:49] It is. Pastor Bill: [6:51] Your camera is still off. Pastor Newms: [6:53] It is Getting To Know The Pastors. Pastor Bill: [6:54] So we don't know if you're reading your card to us or. Pastor Newms: [6:57] Why haven't you haven't given me a chance yet you feels talk. Pastor Bill: [6:59] If you're just if you're just going to be making it up you should be like. Pastor Newms: [7:03] You're just you're still talking. Pastor Bill: [7:04] What's your favorite Monopoly piece. Pastor Newms: [7:07] You're still just talking as opposed to waiting so I mean you're going to have to be quiet for a minute for me to read like my picture are you ready for me to read. Are you. Pastor Bill: [7:23] You told me to be quiet, I'm ready you like my two-year-old you ready yep I'm ready and your back, I'm ready I don't think you're ready for this jelly. Pastor Newms: [7:44] Summer High summer load this doesn't even sound like a question where are if this question is already irritating me. Pastor Bill: [7:53] Our high some are. Is this a riddle. Pastor Newms: [8:05] No no this isn't that that was there for no reason because now did your camera just stop because you froze, why did you freeze for a minute okay so. Pastor Bill: [8:25] But I was getting an amber alert on my phone. Pastor Newms: [8:27] Oh so that first whole thing was it was nothing. Pastor Bill: [8:32] Never anything to do with the question. Pastor Newms: [8:33] Nope in all your travels what is the most awe-inspiring Bridge you've ever crossed. Pastor Bill: [8:42] Warming that's the summer long some bridges are long some bridges too short some bridges are tall some bridges are old. Pastor Newms: [8:50] You don't need that for the question is what I'm saying. Pastor Bill: [8:53] Yeah you really don't you don't need that for your question awe-inspiring. Pastor Newms: [9:00] Yeah I've never been across an awe-inspiring bridge I don't think I mean, the bridge across the Mississippi and Memphis is pretty good until it cracked in half you know alright if you lived on a farm what Shore. Pastor Bill: [9:13] Are you not going to let me try to answer you just kind of move on. Pastor Newms: [9:17] No I was done with that question before we even finished it if you lived on a farm which chore above all others would you definitely not want to do. Pastor Bill: [9:27] Man mucking the horse stalls is awful. Pastor Newms: [9:30] Anything with poop was my answer so we're on the same page. Pastor Bill: [9:35] I've done that I've had three instances of mucking horse stalls in my life and, no more not thank you there was this um this Children's Home a foster home where they fostered several children at a time like upwards of 15 at a time, I went to school with three three or four of the kids that, went that lived at that home and I went to spend the night with them a few weekends and yeah when you spend the night Friday night Saturday morning you go out there and you do chores, so yeah like in the horse stalls that's. Pastor Newms: [10:23] The question, Zaydiee, was if you lived on a farm what chore of all others would you definitely not want to do, so anything was poop. Pastor Bill: [10:38] Anything with poop is just. Pastor Newms: [10:39] Anything with just, I'm not down I'm not down we had a baby in the house for less than 24 hours this week as my friend was passing as our friends were passing through and, just the poops and I was like man I'm glad the kids know you know potty training because this was I, I have no desire to go back to that time where there is just you know six months old just starting food, poops. Pastor Bill: [11:24] Finnick is so close to being potty trained at this point he's just so close. Pastor Newms: [11:30] And as my wife said she does she loves babies has no problem with the poops. Pastor Bill: [11:43] She loves the poops. Pastor Newms: [11:45] No no no no, no she loves the babies she can tolerate the poops. Pastor Bill: [11:55] She doesn't love the poop. Pastor Newms: [11:56] No no. Pastor Bill: [11:58] She can tolerate the pools. Pastor Newms: [12:00] I think we've said poops too many times for this particular broadcast I think we've reached our poops. Pastor Bill: [12:06] How we reach our poop limit. Pastor Newms: [12:07] Yeah I think we reached it like the second time we said it I think that's the most time we've talked about poops since we have ever been on the Berean Manifesto. Pastor Bill: [12:18] Possibly yeah possibly. Pastor Newms: [12:21] You talk about least three different species of poops to. Pastor Bill: [12:26] Species of Hoops. Pastor Newms: [12:28] You said stalls which are horses or cows, I was thinking and said something about pigs unless I didn't say it out loud and then you you we talked about babies which is humans so that's three to four species because Stables can equate a couple, if horses and cows and in fantasy Realms anything can be in a stable so you know. Pastor Bill: [12:56] That's true you can Sable anything. Pastor Newms: [12:59] Yeah yeah there's this game I play, call dark and we've talked about it in the past and it's one of the next games up on our list of things to play once we get through the games we're playing right now and they released a new map and. Pastor Bill: [13:13] So sometime in 2023 2024. Pastor Newms: [13:17] Well it depends on how often we can actually play anyway the, there's baboons now they added baboons and you can actually ride them unless you didn't watch the video that I sent you okay and, just baboons, and I was just like and so I was thinking that might be we might skip the standard maps and go to that one because then we could experience a map together for the first time as opposed to me knowing, the map going into it like I actually would remember everything I've had a map but that's the second point I can't remember what I did yesterday little own the intricacies of a cave running. Pastor Bill: [14:05] You're not mad you don't memorize every inch of every map that you've ever seen. Pastor Newms: [14:09] Now I'll be like I think I know where we are and I don't, I feel like it's right over no it's not I can't I can't navigate life like real map like here map. Pastor Bill: [14:31] Yeah it's right down the road down there 2006 have a right hand turn at the Chevy's or with Chevy's used to be and then make a left hand turn where they took down that big old tree that used to be there. Pastor Newms: [14:41] Just take a right and then the person's like I got really lost I took a right how do you say right I said take a left no hey now you listen here. Pastor Bill: [14:52] No you're very cluttered the sun turn around. Pastor Newms: [14:54] You listen here it was they put up that fence to stop people from using the back of the Walmart, as a thorough through a thorough way so that used to be a way you could get to from point A to point B Because I had done it and then all of a sudden you couldn't, and I've never not heard about it from him because he's like oh it's the back of a Walmart because I did I took us like ice left here in a right here and then another left and then we'll pop right out, and then it's the back of a Walmart which is the only Walmart I've ever seen where you're behind the Walmart and can't get to the front of the Walmart from the back of the Walmart, so yeah. Pastor Bill: [15:38] And when people come and Shop in from that side they don't want those people's money. Pastor Newms: [15:41] Damn that was that was the no I knew where the Walmart was. Pastor Bill: [15:50] Were those Walmart come from popped up out of nowhere all right so tonight, um we're doing things a little different than what we normally do I do have a scripture on the scripture bump about transparency so as a 501 c 3, church one of our, and I'm looking to put quotations around this because you know requirements is that we have a yearly business meeting where we let our members know what's going on with the church, and I say requirements because nobody checks on these things there's no governmental body that, goes around and make sure that churches are doing all the things that are required to do. We would never have to tell anybody anything about what we're doing because nobody cares nobody looks but we do I do rather I should say try to keep our financials going on our donation page, I've not been as good about that this year this year kind of got away from me but I did go in this week and update all the financials, and I haven't put that on the website yet but I have it I have it all updated up to the end of November, and so we're just going to talk a little bit about what we've done this year and yeah so I think I wanted to start with just I'm gonna throw some numbers out there and then I'd like you to talk about. Your experiences at Pride if you know just from this year and I'm putting you on the spot, um and we'll kind of see where we go from there. Okay so the last 12 months so we're talking about you know last December and then January through now we were at least 50 episodes this will be episode 51, um for that year span and of the course of those 50 episodes we had 561 downloads, which means we're averaging 11 listens per episode that doesn't count people who show up live for the live recording, unless they're then going back and downloading the podcast that doesn't count anyone that watches on social media after the fact like my mother doesn't download the podcast she watches it on Facebook, so it doesn't count social media at all does the count video this is just the audio just people going to gosh I can give you a, a better comprehend. Pastor Newms: [18:40] The places where you get podcasts. Pastor Bill: [18:45] Right but there was okay yeah your ride just the places you get podcasts. We're talking about. Pastor Newms: [18:56] This is that Manisha that no one cares about other than us just as. Pastor Bill: [19:02] Pandora Firefox Apple podcasts Google Chrome Safari these people that are you know getting podcasts from these trackable sources, we're averaging 11 people per episode that are listening somewhere and, in all of that we have listeners from 28 countries this year people that have listened everywhere from Russia to, should have just left all this up, Kenya so are obvious are large Chinese to the United States because we're culturally we talk a lot about things that make sense, for the United States our number two listener in the world for countries is Kenya, um and then Russia and then the Philippines and then Sweden, are our top five countries that we have listeners in which is, fantastic I like that we have listeners from all over the world and we've often said that it is not about. Lots and lots and lots of numbers or anything crazy you know like that it is all about the one the one listener the One impact the big the best impact the 10K what have I done here, I've zoomed in my Microsoft Excel sheet to where I can't find anything. It's always been all about the one it's the one person is what we're trying to reach you are trying to reach, and make a significant impact in the one-on-one relationships not necessarily casting the wide net, where we pull everybody in but making things that are going to reach and make a significant impact on a personal level, so we're good with that this year you want to wager how much we've received in donations. Pastor Newms: [21:24] No I'm not going to try to wager anything. Pastor Bill: [21:26] Now you're trying to wager anything okay thirteen thousand two hundred and thirteen dollars and 43 cents, which is not great compared to previous years but considering, in previous years we've had that that missions grant that was going through which a lot of it was a lot of money and we were meeting face-to-face and so we had more money coming in that way consider we you know. Pastor Newms: [21:56] And we had more expenses. Pastor Bill: [21:58] Lost those and then yes we cut down on our expenses significantly our expenses year to date is, seven thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven dollars and 18 cents and that includes, five thousand dollars that we invested in our Outreach to The Gaming Community, the computer which then we use for video editing and, and you know audio production and all that stuff that includes that so we've definitely cut back on expenses significantly over previous years. Pastor Newms: [22:43] Not necessarily by choice. Pastor Bill: [22:46] I mean we. Pastor Newms: [22:47] Covid is covid. Pastor Bill: [22:50] We Bob and weave with you know as things change we adjust, and so that's where we are we're saving up money so that we'll have a good amount of money so when things, when something changes and we're able to do something face-to-face we've got the funds right now we've got, just over nine thousand dollars in the bank which is good it's a good amount for us to be able to do some face-to-face Ministry, is and when we find an outlet for that things like when you and deprive this year and and the cost of you going to provide for the church was like almost nil because, the only thing the church provided was a shirt that, we provided in a previous year so it wasn't it wasn't a new expense and then we printed up some business cards for you to hand out, told the message of you are loved. Pastor Newms: [23:58] That was it because we didn't we didn't do that we didn't do the booth this year because of the late notices with them and not, you know the moves and everything that happened with with covid there was a lot of up and down on whether it was even going to happen and then, one of the ones that I went to the main one actually rained out moments before and then they still had it by moving it to ours but it was, muddy mess the whole time and so that was interesting to say the least, but it was good when we went we handed out some cards didn't have a lot of conversation just because the opportunities did not, show themselves but had some good conversation so overall it was good but, not as much as you know when you have a booth in your able to get people engaged when you're just walking around it's a lot harder so, hopefully next year we can look at doing a booth at them. Pastor Bill: [25:08] Well not next year we literally have to start looking into it like in a month we'll have to look into when we can register and all that to make sure we don't ya have. Pastor Newms: [25:17] I don't know I mean next year having about not looking into it next year but next year is in you know 10 days. Pastor Bill: [25:28] What is today say the face 19. Pastor Newms: [25:32] Yeah today is 19 so it's. Pastor Bill: [25:34] But 13 days. Pastor Newms: [25:35] Like 13 days and yes bigs they did cancel the second day they didn't have the parade because it was just too, it was muck all weekend so we'll see how it goes next time we will see if Nash Dallas even has one considering. Pastor Bill: [25:54] This last year they didn't hear before they did have a party this year with a concert but no booths know like you know, we kind of gone but there wouldn't have been a lot of opportunity for Ministry I don't want to, I'm an ally to anyone in that Community I'm an ally but I'm not an advocate meaning, I'm not the one to stand on the corner and and say you know, we need to vote for equal rights we need to I'm the guy that says hey you gonna go stand on the corner how can I help you you need water you need lunch you need you know how can I support you in what you, believe in I'm the Ally so when there's an event where it's strictly hey we're gonna have a party and we're going to celebrate, that we are this thing as an ally that's not really my, area to be you go celebrate and when you need me you let me know you need me it's that makes sense it's also why we don't go to the parade, nobody in our church is that I mean we have. Has been in the past, identified as that so it's been you know it's been real saying to us like I don't want to insert myself into your culture, I'm not have any right to be there under the guise of well I want to do ministry to you well yeah I wanted to minister to you I want to take you to the the IHOP's to the IHOP down the road and buy you a, a stack of pancakes and get to know you so that we can have a relationship, Zaydiees not wrong she said I don't which she says a lot of them need you there to show your support as an ally or a friend and that's why we want to go to we want to go to Pride, but we don't go to the parade for the reasons I said and I don't know what do you think is ADD do we need to re-evaluate that, that concept because I'm not a ship onto an island to my, I don't know what the coke like wheel is amiss as a board member if you feel like we should be going to the parade as well then we should discuss that as a board and see if we should be doing, the events and the parades. Pastor Newms: [28:36] There's a difference there's not a lot of set up a lot of places and and and in the same way as there is in that first day normally we would just be going, to go. Pastor Bill: [28:54] I mean if we're going to go to the parade I would think we would need a float make a you are loved flow the whole nine yards. Pastor Newms: [29:02] Yeah I don't see us doing that no no I'm not getting on a float homie. Pastor Bill: [29:09] Or we could get a whole bunch of water bottles that say you were loved on them and hand them out to people that are there I don't know something like that it had to be something about you know taking that Ally roll. Pastor Newms: [29:27] That is true we could just be there there's nothing wrong with necessarily just being there and that's something we could talk about for this year. Pastor Bill: [29:32] We can have this yeah we can have this conversation but I would like to know what we would be doing there other than just standing there and taking up space, if there's a way that we can engender conversation. Pastor Newms: [29:49] But there might not be it might literally just be there in our free hugs and see if someone needs us more than anything just as support possibly, in my mind. Pastor Bill: [30:13] But right now we're we're not doing a lot I mean we're doing a lot of arm a lot of desk time where we're trying to do ministry from our desks virtually. Pastor Newms: [30:27] And not even enough of that but we've got to get more. Pastor Bill: [30:31] Even that we're struggling to find time to do so. Pastor Newms: [30:38] Now that's something she's better at than I am. Pastor Bill: [30:43] So Zaydiee said on Twitch or just praying as we walk through the area since she says but maybe that's just me because I do that a lot and and that is one of the ladies gifting she is a, an intercessor she prays and she prays and she intercesses and she brings people before the Lord and. Pastor Newms: [31:03] I find it funny that you know that's definitely her niche, and her and her thing that she does and she's really strong at because neither one of us thought about the fact that we would be doing that while we were standing there as like the main thing but yet she's like well we could be doing this and we're both like oh, well I mean, yeah yeah we could do that yeah that's a good point I think. Pastor Bill: [31:41] My wife Chimes up she just wants to go she likes parades the woman who has never actually volunteered at Pride with us or shown any interest in going to Pride with us, just said she'd like to go. Pastor Newms: [31:59] I think she wants to go I think she's been upset with you for years and years that she hasn't got to go to the parade I think that's what she's saying right there. Pastor Bill: [32:07] She does like parade soon to a Christmas parade and she was just all a flutter oh that's so cool, you know like brakes are kind of loud. Pastor Newms: [32:20] They're loud they're noisy there's a lot of people it's normally chaotic there's it's pushing and just. Pastor Bill: [32:28] There was a in the the Christmas parade there was a group of indigenous dancers, indigenous dancers and they were playing drums, and freaked the crap out of all three of my children that I had at the parade you could hear the drums from blocks and blocks and blocks away and that's drums got louder they got nerve more and more nervous and, some. Pastor Newms: [32:53] Yeah drums are fun. Pastor Bill: [33:01] Groggy on Twitter says free candy. Pastor Newms: [33:03] Gargi did say free candy. Pastor Bill: [33:04] When you go to parades they throw out candy sometimes sometimes they try to hit you with the candy in the head. Got to be careful accepting anything at Pride even hugs gets dangerous sometimes. Pastor Newms: [33:25] Sometimes some people not overall but some people are odd but, and we say odd because there was an experience with someone who was wearing more than just glitter she had mixed something in with her glitter, I was Fuzzy for two days but that's beside the point. Pastor Bill: [33:48] You and Houston. Pastor Newms: [33:50] Yeah me and Houston were both like mmm. Pastor Bill: [33:53] That sound is that the colored green I hear what is this. Pastor Newms: [33:56] Yeah it was that was that was that was a rough that was a rough day when it's 100 and whatever outside than all of a sudden you're, trippin and you didn't take anything that you know of that was that was an experience that day was and then you look at the person who you just hugged and they're upside down in the grass and you're like oh. Pastor Bill: [34:20] That makes sense. Pastor Newms: [34:21] It's not me anywho, pride is always something we definitely want to do hopefully next year we'll get back out to them hopefully Omicron or, whatever the next p is I don't I don't know what comes after Omicron I can't remember Pi Pi is what would be next actually. Pastor Bill: [34:44] Patchouli should have the Patchouli variant that would be nice. Pastor Newms: [34:48] It'd be pie. Pastor Bill: [34:49] It'd be all like chill and be like what's the main symptom for Patchouli variant like you get really chill just like you're okay with life. Pastor Newms: [34:59] So the the fear I would have would pipe I would be like you know, mild symptoms but never ending like you know just it's a low number but it just goes forever anyway so yeah hopefully we can, get out next year and do some actual face-to-face ministry again when we're not stuck. Pastor Bill: [35:25] Right, and we want to ramp up our gaming with pastors moving forward which means more streaming time and more video editing to try to get more, draw more viewers to the channel so that we can have them show up when we're alive so that we. Pastor Newms: [35:45] Did you clip the last one at all. Pastor Bill: [35:47] I didn't I never even did I never clipped it. Pastor Newms: [35:49] Mmm-hmm. Pastor Bill: [35:50] The last to have it clipped anything we've done from Borderlands yet. Contra I don't know if we'll be able to 9. Pastor Newms: [36:01] We want tonight there's a. Pastor Bill: [36:04] You just you just said we should do it later. Pastor Newms: [36:07] I meant like a later at a later Point not later tonight because. Pastor Bill: [36:22] Oh my gosh I even started it yet. Pastor Newms: [36:24] If we watched I think for three four episodes earlier and there's like four more to go five more to go so because the girls were busy most of the weekend so. Pastor Bill: [36:37] I'm so tired I just I want to get the podcast you know processed after we're done get the podcast processed go to bed just want then I just want to go to bed, got to take the littlest girl to the doctor in the morning and and yeah so. Pastor Newms: [36:59] I do have work tomorrow but I don't have to get up to take the girls to school so I really don't have to get up till like you know. Pastor Bill: [37:08] Noon. Pastor Newms: [37:08] No Pastor Bill: [37:10] You're like you're like when is my first meeting. Pastor Newms: [37:13] Like nine so. Pastor Bill: [37:18] At least be up by my first meeting. Zaydiee has to be up for work is 67 excuses. Pastor Newms: [37:30] Oh more people trying to get their houses clean before company comes over for Christmas. Pastor Bill: [37:39] Yeah yeah we've got Christmas at my mother's on Wednesday and then our Sands mother's on Thursday and then, my grandmother's on Friday. Pastor Newms: [37:55] That's too much Christmas I don't even. Pastor Bill: [38:00] And then Saturday it's Christmas day right. Pastor Newms: [38:03] Yes because I have Friday off because of Christmas Eve and Monday off because of Christmas Day, so yeah we could do some Daytime streaming. Pastor Bill: [38:22] When you're off yeah. Pastor Newms: [38:23] We're at my mom's. Pastor Bill: [38:28] And. Pastor Newms: [38:29] It appears we're at my mom's Friday and Saturday I wasn't I'm sure someone told me but. Pastor Bill: [38:35] Can you can you check that please Friday and Saturday or no. Bgigs you care to comment on that. Pastor Newms: [38:47] All right um I love my parents do not get me wrong Biggs and I'm sure Gloria Gloria is listening I'm not trying to say that I'm just saying aye. Pastor Bill: [39:07] It just seems funny Friday and Saturday but you know. Pastor Newms: [39:14] Yeah all right so what else we got what else you want to go over as far as numbers. Pastor Bill: [39:21] I don't have any of them numbers to go over for the business meeting we talked about how many countries and how many downloads and how many episodes we talked about, I mean I wish we were still feeding people so we could be like we've had this many people this year but. Pastor Newms: [39:43] Yep sadly we are. Pastor Bill: [39:44] It's not a reality anymore for us. Pastor Newms: [39:48] We are not having our meals anymore or 15 minutes to the end of the podcast so what else we got. Pastor Bill: [40:03] I don't have anything else. Pastor Newms: [40:05] Would you like to talk about the future plans thought process. Pastor Bill: [40:08] We just did we say we'd like to this year do this and we'd like to do that. Pastor Newms: [40:13] That's true we feed mr. groggy when he's here for the for the time, each puff is not wrong if you'd like to read that. Pastor Bill: [40:31] Yeah Phoenix on Twitch suggest that we could donate food money to food banks, and that's true we could I think what I liked most about feeding people is that we were face to face, we could build relationship while we were feeding them when we I'm not saying that food banks aren't good food banks are needed and they need donors thing you know but it takes all of the, the actual face-to-face out of it. Pastor Newms: [41:08] Yeah which is what you truly care about. Pastor Bill: [41:11] That's what I truly care about is the face-to-face and feeding the hungry is a big Ministry, and we might need to consider making a donation to a food bank, before the end of the year before the next 13 days is up but that'll be a discussion to have with the board at least the what's the word, the board yeah the Quorum of the board to see if we want to do that, so I'm tired you're tired Merry Christmas y'all. Pastor Newms: [41:56] Board meetings are boring I mean business meetings are boring. Pastor Bill: [42:00] Business meetings are boring and we were required to have one by law. But like I said it's a roo requirement but we had it anyway so there you go, we're legal yay you can't hear that but you hear that now you can hear the little what are these chestnuts you can hear the little. Pastor Newms: [42:26] Canceling your noise-cancelling stuff is canceling it out. Pastor Bill: [42:36] That's a good point to bring up in our in our quorum meeting of which you are a member of the quorum, so yeah she says and I'm funny of were recording a podcast and responding to texts not telling the the audio what's going on, and which says that yes on me but wouldn't it be better to do it like not at Christmas because that's the time of year usually they get the most donations, and yeah that's that's what we are reply was that's actually a good point, and that my friends is one of the reasons why zadie is on the Quorum of our board is because she brings up very good points like that, that's not a chestnut what is this. Pastor Newms: [43:24] As opposed to me and you who are like let's do it. Pastor Bill: [43:27] Yeah we're like let's do it what is this your dad said it's not just now. Pastor Newms: [43:35] Well when you had a whole group of them it didn't look like a chestnut. Pastor Bill: [43:39] Oh they're just they're just hot glued together. Three nuts here. Pastor Newms: [43:56] I buy one that's a walnut. Pastor Bill: [43:58] Okay drop off. Pastor Newms: [44:01] Yeah I think that's a walnut a pecan in a chestnut right I don't know. Pastor Bill: [44:09] So I made a cut my grandmother made a comment about remember the old days when they give you a bag with some nuts and a orange in it at church and it'd be such a special time and I said you know what, I would still think that was special I'd love to get a bat a gift back like that and my grandmother on her way home from church today, she called me and said hey I got a surprise to you since somebody got to get it for my car she said nothing too special just send somebody out and apparently her church had handed out, the bags with the nuts and the orange and an apple and a few little pieces of candy and she had brought me her bag. Pastor Newms: [44:50] Aw Pastor Bill: [44:50] And I was like that is amazing I love it that is awesome. Pastor Newms: [44:56] She is a special lady. Pastor Bill: [44:58] She is, my grandmother's great, so yeah so that's where I got my and so what I'm doing is I'm now I've got this you can't really see the designs on it but it's this ornate Bowl, that somebody got from some foreign country and then abandoned in the accounting department at Teen Mania, so when Teen Mania closed it became my property, along with other knickknacks that were from the offices and I've been keeping cough drops in it and so I'm currently making them into a. Pastor Newms: [45:35] Lid nice. Pastor Bill: [45:36] You know a lid for my cough drop thing so yeah because I because I can't digest nuts of any kind so, doesn't work out well, but then we be talking back to talking about poo did we really only cover 6 minutes in all that conversation which has. Okay so there's an atheist and a little girl flying on a plane. Pastor Newms: [46:10] We're not telling jokes jokes are terrible. Pastor Bill: [46:11] Any atheist says the little girls reading the Bible, and the atheist says I can prove to you that God doesn't exist and little girl says oh really and he says yeah and the guy says they'll Authority little girl says, all right so I forgot how the joke goes. Pastor Newms: [46:32] Huh. Pastor Bill: [46:38] Do you know how a horse's body turns food into poo, no no no I don't you see it says the girl says well okay do you know how a cows, body turns food into poo and he saith is no no I don't know that either okay do you know how a pig's body turns food into poo yes is a theist is no no I don't I don't know that either in the girl says, well if you don't know anything about poo then why would I listen to what you think about God. Pastor Newms: [47:13] I don't think that's how the original joke went okay. Pastor Bill: [47:20] It's really a stupid joke though it doesn't have any my ADHD can't even enjoy the joke because he doesn't make any sense whatsoever what is what is having anything to know anything about the biological processes of the way these three different animals make poo have to do with anything about whether or not God exists, nothing to do. Pastor Newms: [47:43] When you use the actual version of it it. It's funnier because you need that word that you didn't use to make the joke make sense. Pastor Bill: [47:57] If you don't know still high in transit then you know. Pastor Newms: [48:02] Exactly see that is what makes the joke funny but yet yeah all right. Pastor Bill: [48:11] Mercy even by the time you get to the punch line when I was being told the joke I couldn't enjoy the joke because my brain was still stuck on the lobby in logical, leading up to the punchline I couldn't even enjoy the joke my brain was still stuck big says was no Bible verse tonight big. Pastor Newms: [48:32] There was one but it's just about transparency Roxanne your husband loves to spread bad jokes I don't know why you're surprised by this. Pastor Bill: [48:45] We had a business meeting and so 2nd Corinthians 4:2, and we leaned into the second half but the whole verse says, well we'll start verse 1 therefore since we have this ministry because we were shown Mercy we do not give up, instead we have renounced secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone's conscience by an open display of the truth, that was our verse for this evening. Pastor Newms: [49:25] So we're transparent. Pastor Bill: [49:26] For train transparent we're trying to be transparent now let you know what we do what our thought processes are where the money goes where our heart is, we want to do anything in secret, I need to realign these temporary teeth it's going to be a several more weeks before my permanent to come in and. Pastor Newms: [49:53] That's that's a secret we could have kept see. Pastor Bill: [49:54] Why would we though I don't want to keep secrets. Pastor Newms: [49:59] Yeah I agree with thanks thank you and goodnight. Pastor Bill: [50:01] Thank you and goodnight all right did you have any questions in chat in in in. Pastor Newms: [50:08] We have to technically ask that in the business meeting. Pastor Bill: [50:12] Newms do you have any questions. Pastor Newms: [50:14] I I don't, I'd be shocked if I'd if I did I'd be a terrible vice president of the board if I waited till business meeting to ask questions, pretty bad at my job if that was the case. Pastor Bill: [50:32] If voluntary job. Pastor Newms: [50:34] Okay going once going twice closed. Pastor Bill: [50:43] Did you just hit your desk like it was a cat gavel okay this is me. Pastor Newms: [50:46] I use the backside the backside of Voldemort's wand to are we going to, church and Ang. Pastor Bill: [50:58] I think she won't change, change yeah that sounds can say change what Pastor Newms picture on the website are we going to update pastor Newms this picture on the website from, I candid shot of him at his wedding. Pastor Newms: [51:18] No you put the old picture up there. Pastor Bill: [51:21] I put your picture up there. Pastor Newms: [51:22] The old picture. Pastor Bill: [51:24] Oh yeah picture of you from the future. Pastor Newms: [51:26] Yeah the picture of me where I look older than Biggs. Pastor Bill: [51:34] Yeah there it is Church Pastor board vice president everybody should go to EKK.house/team and check out the pictures of our board of directors. Pastor Newms: [51:49] And this picture is to be taken in in 2067. Pastor Bill: [51:52] Yes Pastor newms is picture is to be taken in 2067. Pastor Newms: [51:59] And I would like to point out it's funny that if you press the more info under the name it has less info under all the names. Pastor Bill: [52:12] Well the names as lesson for sure does read more nothing. Pastor Newms: [52:15] You you you made a boo-boo. Pastor Bill: [52:19] Well it gives you the email address if you hit read more. Pastor Newms: [52:23] For the people that have one you made a boo-boo. Pastor Bill: [52:29] I just never got around to filling out that information. Pastor Newms: [52:31] Hmm hehehe. That's funny, hot right now do the bye-byes. Pastor Bill: [52:46] Okay so yeah so I love you guys I hope you have a great week. Pastor Newms: Stay safe out there. Pastor Bill: And until next time.

How the Church can Prepare for Changing Cultural Trends

Church InTension

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2021 44:12

"The new norm after the Pandemic is accelerated change," says Dr. Ron Luce, whose new book, Faith At the Speed of Light, takes a deep dive into the future of our culture and how it will affect the Church. There are numerous opportunities for the Church to adapt and reach the next generation.In this episode of the Church InTension podcast, TKU President Dr. Jon Chasteen talks with Luce about these future trends and how the Church can prepare for a changing world.

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S3EP41 - Mawage

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 26, 2021 67:02

Pastor Bill: [0:14] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 41 the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. How are you doing Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms: [0:30] Hey yeah. Pastor Bill: [0:38] So tonight we're talking about Mawage. Or I guess more specifically we're talking about divorce. I don't know what we're talking about, I just had this section of scripture that was on my heart and so we're going to talk about this section of scripture and I don't know. Biggs is joining us on Twitch. Hey Biggs. [1:12] Which scripture? If you want to pre-read the scriptures that we're going to be in, we're going to be in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 and probably going to start at the beginning of chapter 7, but then the section that's been on my heart, I have no idea why, is verses 10 through 16. So maybe somebody needs to hear it, what we're going to talk about tonight, but it's definitely not me. This is definitely not one of those we're talking about for me, because it's been on my heart to share about this to talk about this so I guess somebody's here I don't know. It's one of those things you know where you like I'm not sure why I'm supposed to say this or I feel like I'm supposed to say something and then like a year later two years later, you get that pay off or somebody's like somebody sent me an episode of your podcast and it totally saved my marriage and that may be wishful thinking but, I don't know. [2:35] If we had more wishful thinking and less doomsday going on right now that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Phoenix is joining us on Twitch HPuffPhoenix she says howdy you say howdy I say hi. To me only two minutes left five minutes gone by fast. Zaidie is with us, Zaidie on Twitch, Zaidie sent me this lovely card this week I'll you can't see it yet I'll show you the card when we go video live.. Pastor Newms: [3:23] I still find it funny you started talking to me about it like I knew what it was. Pastor Bill: [3:28] And you were like, what I don't know what you talking about. Pastor Newms: [3:30] I don't know what you're talking about. Pastor Bill: [3:33] I was like the thing that your. Pastor Newms: [3:37] Only knew about one thing she sent you I didn't know she sent you a card too she's nicer than I am. [3:50] You know I'm lighting an incense I really should turn around a bit we're really close to time now we got a minute. Pastor Bill: [4:03] So my "On Air" light came in, yeah so now in the hallway leading to my bedroom / office there's this big red light it says "On Air" that lights up the whole hallway and. Pastor Newms: [4:20] And we hope it's on right now from under the okay. Pastor Bill: [4:22] It is I can see the top gap of the door I can see the red light coming through. [4:40] For the next 40 seconds best friend. Your dad says best friends. Who's best friends? [4:56] Just silence as we wait for him to type now. Six, five, four, three, two, one. Pastor Newms: [5:10] And then bam. Pastor Bill: [5:15] All right so that first five minutes was to give people time to show up so once again. Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 41 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and as always I'm joined by Pastor Newms all the way from Tennessee. Remember that funny comment we got when we first started doing this this way we get this comment about, church people spreading covid and I was like we're not even in the same state dude how are we spreading covid-19. Pastor Newms: [5:49] I don't think that you told me about that. Pastor Bill: [5:52] Oh you don't remember? Pastor Newms: [5:53] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [5:54] Yeah we got a comment while we we're live, the guy was chiding us about spreading covid by being doing a face-to-face video, Zaidie says OMG having technical difficulties she is or we are you are a we are. Pastor Newms: [6:12] I don't know is anyone else having technical difficulties. Pastor Bill: [6:16] Everything looks fine on my end. Pastor Newms: [6:18] I open it up it says. Pastor Bill: [6:22] Although I'm really not happy with the way my voice sounds on this setup but there's not really anything I can do about it living out here in the middle of nowhere. Since I got this really nice Blue, Mic has really nice compressor and then I sound like I'm talking on a cell phone by the time it gets sent to you and then is sent out to you know in the signal. Pastor Newms: [6:49] Bill being delayed happens. Pastor Bill: [6:53] Yeah I get delayed all the time that's okay so how was your week Pastor Newms? Pastor Newms: [7:01] It was pretty good I didn't do much other than work we had some training at work and so then I spent the rest of the week trying to catch up from training. But that is really all that happened on my side. Pastor Bill: [7:27] You also took some time this week to explain to me what you do professionally. Pastor Newms: [7:31] It is true it is true we've had the conversation several times about you not knowing at all what what I do, and I took some time to explain it and you were like huh. Pastor Bill: [7:53] It took us it took me I had to step back and take a second to like understand each step but once they once I got through each step it the whole picture made sense and I was like okay I get it now I get it. Pastor Newms: [8:08] It was it was quite enjoyable to. Pastor Bill: [8:11] It was interesting it was it was like starting a new job and they were walking me through the first day of training that's what it felt like. And I was like okay cool. Pastor Newms: [8:22] Well I'm glad you felt that I did that good of a job. Pastor Bill: [8:26] You did it was nice. Pastor Newms: [8:28] Not that you said I did a good job I just I just took that you know. Pastor Bill: [8:33] You did you did a good job their house. Pastor Newms: [8:35] But yeah so so. Pastor Bill: [8:41] Anything else about your weight. Pastor Newms: [8:43] No no I am up and down and in games at the moment and trying not to get, upset with certain situations. Pretty good just blase how was your week. Pastor Bill: [9:06] My week well we had another week of taking Gerg to school, which means me getting up earlier than I want to every morning and getting him off I'm usually used to waking up between 7:00 and 7:30 and this is got me waking up you know sometime between 6 and 7, and then I like to stay up a little later when the kids go to bed but now I've had to scale that back and go to bed you know shortly after they do and so it's been an interesting adjustment on my. Pastor Newms: [9:40] Which I don't like that part just on that. Pastor Bill: [9:42] Yeah me me having to go to bed when you're supposed to you don't like that at all so. Pastor Newms: [9:49] Cuz I don't like going to bed. Pastor Bill: [9:50] You don't like going to bed. [10:07] Wednesday we had quite The Adventurous day Tuesday we had to in an adventurous day as a Tuesday, Gerg's roof started leaking while he was at school right onto his mattress so I spent most of Tuesday cleaning up water damage in his bedroom trying to draw out his mattress and draw out the floor and, you know that done before he got home so that he'd actually have no wait. [10:40] That was on Wednesday wasn't it. Pastor Newms: [10:42] Yeah that was Wednesday you said Wednesday. Pastor Bill: [10:44] Oh my goodness and then also we had a flat tire on Wednesday, Wednesday was a big day oh my goodness so we had a flat tire went out and I was gonna go pick up Gerg from school and we had a flat tire, so then my body I physically can't really jack up a car anymore and do all the you know breaking of the nuts and all that stuff so my wife unfortunately has had to take over in that area when we have a flat tire but, she went out there and she broke the nuts and she jacked up the car and she went to pull up the spare, only to find that a certain National Tire chain hadn't put our spare back on the car the last time we bought one of their, in my opinion expensive tires, so I had to borrow my grandmother's car and go pick up Gerg, go to Discount Tire and buy a new full-size tire and a new wheel. [11:47] So we could put that on the car so then I can take Gerg to the youth group that he goes to it's about a 45 minute drive away in North Richland Hills, and that was interesting, and then my wife went to Firestone the next day and they were like oh we don't have any of your tires in stock so she went back on Friday when they did have the tires in stock, and then Saturday morning I got to, work on the issue of the spare tire kit you know it's like it's got the one of those metal chords with a shoe on the bottom and you slip the shoe through the middle of the wheel and then you turn it and it, draws the cord up and the tire hangs underneath the back of the car. Pastor Newms: [12:36] Oh okay. Pastor Bill: [12:39] So I had to alter the the top of the shoe so that it would fit through the hole with the new tire because the hole on the full-size wheel was smaller than the hole was on the old spare tire, thankfully I had a Dremel and I shaved about a quarter of an inch off the top of that shoe, so that it would fit through the new hole and then I was like please fit please fit please fit and I and I ran it up and it went all the way up and it fits in between the two Mufflers like there's mufflers and then there's heat shielding, and then there's like half an inch in between the Heat shielding on either side to the tire and I was like well it just fits but it fits. Pastor Newms: [13:24] Uh-huh uh-huh and big. Pastor Bill: [13:28] So that was my weekend in a nutshell. Pastor Newms: [13:30] Biggs pointed out you know soon as you started talking car stuff the look on my face just glosses over because I realize I didn't realize it because I don't do any car stuff and I'm just like uh huh. Pastor Bill: [13:44] You don't do any handy self car stuff house stuff that you're not a you're not a jack man you're just I'm a jack of all trades which means I know a little bit about almost everything but not enough to charge anybody to do it just enough to do it for myself, and then I fill any gaps in my knowledge with you know YouTube just like anybody else. Pastor Newms: [14:12] Oh that's something I did this week we put together another 2000 piece puzzle in like two and a half days three days. Whole bunch of people were working on it last night and. Pastor Bill: [14:28] I stopped doing puzzles when I realize is that trying to focus on each individual piece and where they go makes me sick to my stomach, I just I can't do it man, I can't do it Biggs says master of none yeah that's that's the phrase jack of all trades master of none, that's that's pretty much my life in a nutshell, people like you know when I say things like you know I need I need a job they'll say what industry do you work in and I'm like, any industry that pays I've done lots of stuff and I'm willing to learn how to do anything else, oh well we don't have a job for someone like you I just told you I would do anything anything at a desk I'll do it I'm sorry we don't have a job. Do you remember that one time that I asked a job agency you know one of those those placement agencies to find me a job, and I filled out all the stuff and getting my resume and all this stuff and two months later they contacted me and said we're removing you from the program because no suitable job for you exists. Pastor Newms: [15:40] No I didn't remember that that's um that's an experience. Pastor Bill: [15:48] That's quite the experience no suitable job for you. Thanks job placement company. Pastor Newms: [15:58] Isn't it your whole job to find, okay. Pastor Bill: [16:02] Yeah yeah that's pretty much my life in a nutshell right there, right? Joe Jack of all trades master of none. But when I do find a job easily find a job you know low and then I very quickly worked my way up, into positions that they wouldn't dream of even interviewing me for before I entered the company so that's pretty much how my life has been you know shoot low and then, take a couple of months and prove myself and work my way up. Okay so I think we're sufficiently warmed up except we didn't do gets another pastors. Pastor Newms: [16:51] Oh crap is it mine or yours I think it's yours. Pastor Bill: [16:54] It's an odd numbered episode which means it's mine. Pastor Newms: [16:56] And plus we did like six of mine last week because they were not great he's taking too long reading this is a problem. Pastor Bill: [17:10] It says what's your recurring nightmare. Pastor Newms: [17:18] That's not appropriate so we need to switch cards because both of us have very very bad nightmares and we can't talk about them on we go get flag somewhere for something if we start talking about our nightmares let's just begin. Pastor Bill: [17:34] If you were to die tomorrow what little thing would you regret not doing. Pastor Newms: [18:01] Little thing. Pastor Bill: [18:03] It says little thing I'll go first so you remember when we met. Pastor Newms: [18:11] I mean yes yes. Pastor Bill: [18:11] You and I that weekend okay so that weekend Seth and I, Seth Rouggly from California we were there together. Pastor Newms: [18:20] Although I don't remember him at all which is funny. Pastor Bill: [18:24] Which is funny yeah because you met me at the same time you met him and you don't remember him. Pastor Newms: [18:28] Yeah no. Pastor Bill: [18:30] Um Okay so Sunday morning he wanted to go to the church and he and I had gone to while we were in The Internship. I was trying to impress this girl who had become an intern and I had been volunteering the summer before so I met her while she was a volunteer and then she became an intern and she wanted me to go to her church, and we were both determined we were going to spend the whole weekend together, and I convinced him to go to her church with me instead of me going to the church we had gone to like he wanted to, and to this day I think about that probably no less than once a week and regret that moment where I chose my own personal desire, over the values of my friend. [19:29] Such a small decision well. [19:45] Phoenix. Pastor Newms: [19:47] Always always with her I would say it would have to be, so this is going to be really weird I think something I would regret is there their stories I haven't finished. Pastor Bill: [20:03] Mmm he stopped time. Pastor Newms: [20:05] Be it in in bit in games or in books there's I have a tendency to just forget, and then like then I'll I'll realize it and be like and, I think that would be a very large one for me is stories I would regret store a story I hadn't finished and I can think of several I could add to that list but there are lots of stories I haven't finished. Pastor Bill: [20:34] I have the problem of coming up with an idea for a story, and thinking through the story and experiencing the story in my head from start to finish and then going and that was a good story I'm glad I went through that, and not writing it down and not sharing it with anybody or starting to write down and then life you know and just not writing down the rest of it and I'm like man that was a good story. Pastor Newms: [21:05] Dat is silly, dat is very silly. you do do that. Pastor Bill: [21:13] Mmm it's funny that Phoenix brings up you her reintroducing us because our relationship is very funny like that because I met your wife, the summer before I went into Teen Mania's internship. And then the next summer I volunteered and met a bunch of people that you then new your internship year. And then we met that fall I know you meant the full before I volunteered I'm at the fall sorry I got my things mixed, I met your wife the summer of 2000 then we met in the fall of. Pastor Newms: [22:02] We met 2002 because my internship was 2002-2003. Pastor Bill: [22:09] Okay then 2002 so I did volunteer yeah that's right I volunteered that summer. Pastor Newms: [22:18] And then after also. Pastor Bill: [22:22] No I guess I met you the year after Seth and I went to the wrong church on Sunday morning. I definitely was with Seth when you and I met because we came to Teen Mania more than one more than one alumni reunions anyway. Pastor Newms: [22:39] I know when you did you did not live in Texas I think. Pastor Bill: [22:49] No that's not right so you're anyway you and I meet I meet your wife and then I meet in 2000 then I meet you in 2002 and then. That is a myth that's not right then how did your sister introduced. Pastor Newms: [23:13] In 2003 when you volunteered. [23:22] Because I. Pastor Bill: [23:23] That the year I volunteered. Pastor Newms: [23:24] Because I was at the internship from August 2002, my first year August 2002 to August 2003 and then my second year was 2003 2004. And then we met again in 2005. Pastor Bill: [23:52] Huh. Anyway the point is we kept randomly meeting, I met your wife I met you I met your sister your sister was like oh man you and my brother would get along change your juice me to you and then we had already met, and then you move to Keller or you had already moved to Keller. Pastor Newms: [24:13] Yep I moved to well then I graduated and I moved to Keller you. Pastor Bill: [24:19] Which is like right down the road for me. Pastor Newms: [24:21] Yep and you were in California somewhere in there, and then I ran into you at another alumni weekend when you had moved back and that's when then. We we stopped not talking. Pastor Bill: [24:45] Right. [24:51] And then Zaidie is like yeah and then I re-met your wife at your wedding the funny thing is I kept seeing pictures of her, in all your stuff and I was like I know this girl, I know this girl where do I know this girl from I know this girl and we kept comparing all the times that I had been to Teen Mania and with all the times that you had remembered she was there and I was like, no we never cross paths at Teen Mania not in all those times. [25:27] Yeah so many paths Crossing and intertwining and, it's me all right so, like we said in the the warm-up if you weren't here for the warm-up that's fine we're going to say it again we are in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 tonight and for a while I've had on my heart to talk about, to share about 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verses 10 through 16 which, has nothing to do with my life whatsoever in any way but we're gonna talk about it and when I brought it up to Newms that I thought this is what we were going to talk about he went and read it and he was like that's bizarre, why are we going to talk about that and I was like I don't know. Pastor Newms: [26:20] Okay so let's pause the podcast for moment and our discussion, and and point out the fact that Newms has never said that's bizarre but I'll let you go ahead and continue. Pastor Bill: [26:36] You did to set you did too yeah you said it was bizarre. [26:48] Phoenix says what version is it going to be read in well the answer to that will almost always be CSB, what version it's going to be read in, unless we say otherwise so 1 Corinthians chapter 7 you're welcome Phoenix she says thanks on Twitch 1 Corinthians chapter 7 where to start in verse 1, Paul writes all right 1 Corinthians 7 now in response to the matters you wrote about, it is good for a man not to use a woman for sex I think we all agree you shouldn't be you know abusing a woman, in this manner you shouldn't be taking advantage of her for sex and he goes on but because sexual immorality is so common, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife and each woman should have sexual relations with her own husband, husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife and likewise a wife to her husband, a wife does not have the right over her own body but her husband does in the same way because a lot of a lot of churches stop right there. Pastor Newms: [28:13] Yeah they do. Pastor Bill: [28:14] In the same way a husband does not have the right over his. But his wife does awesome here we go and this that verse right there that's why I say, I belong to my wife Roxanne, Roxanne belongs to me I trust her to take care of her belongings talking about me just like she trusts me to take care of my belongings, I value her I treasure her I take care of her those are my duties as a husband okay verse 5 of chapter 7, do not deprive one another except when you agree for a time to devote yourselves to prayer then come together again otherwise Satan May tempt you because of your lack of self-control, I say this as a concession not as a command I wish that all people were as I am but each has his own gift from God one person has this gift another has that. [29:19] Paul if you're confused by that statement Paul was a bachelor, he never got married the closest thing he ever had to and I was talking to Newms about this earlier the closest thing he ever had to a romantic relationship was the way he felt about Israel, and the Jewish people that was the closest thing to a girlfriend he ever has and you can see it in his writing, the way he talks about Israel the way he, admires the structure of it and longs for Israel and her people to join him in Salvation and. [30:04] Interesting stuff all right so we're picking back up in verse. I say to the unmarried and to widows it is good for them if they remain as I am, but if they do not have self-control they should marry since it is better to marry than to burn with desire, verse 10 to the married I give this command now this is the portion that's been on my heart I have no idea for months I've no idea why to the married I give this command not I but the Lord, a wife is not to leave her husband, but if she does leave she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and a husband is not to divorce his wife, but I not the Lord now this is Paul giving his opinion right his opinion is an educated opinion, he knows all the jurors law he knows like the he basically has the Old Testament memorized this is Paul's. [31:13] I not the Lord say to the rest if any brother has an unbelieving wife and she is willing to live with him he must not divorce her, also if any woman has an unbelieving husband and he is willing to live with her she must not divorce her, for the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the wife and the unbelieving wife is made Holy by the, otherwise your children would be unclean but as it is they are holy, but if the unbeliever leaves let him leave a brother or sister is not bound in such cases, God has called you to live in peace wife, for all you know you might save your husband husband for all you know you might save your wife. [32:14] All right so the weird thing that that Newms and I have been discussing, is these this stuff in verse 14 to verse 16 we have no idea what Paul means here, and given the commentaries and even my commentaries that usually pretty much agree with each other, on what the heck Paul is talking about here, um for the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the wife and the unbelieving wife is made Holy by the husband and your children are made Holy by you being a Believer and, the wife might be saved by the husband husband saved by the wife we can somewhat assume that verse 16, means at some point because of the life you're living you'll lead your spouse to Salvation. Been put in that after verse 14 where he says the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the believing wife, confuses the heck out of my Western culture modern American brain because when I think of holy I think of salvation. [33:40] What does that mean from a Jewish standpoint what did that mean from a Corinthian standpoint to say that something was holy. Pastor Newms: [33:48] And and to be clear I mean the word that's used in the, is straight up like sanctification like it's it's it's to be made clean to be made whole it's not like oh well maybe this is strange because I'm like, it's got to be translated and I'm like holy is Holy is weird there let's look at what word it is oh, so it's the same word that you used three almost almost 300 times in, the New Testament for Holy so this isn't even like one of those situations where it's like this is the only time he uses this word. Pastor Bill: [34:29] And one of the commentaries I was looking at pointed me to Romans chapter 11 verse 16, as being synonymous the idea being synonymous with what this is saying and it says now if the first fruits are holy, so is the whole batch and if the root is Holy so are the branches. And in this place Paul is talking about and you really see a lot of his, love interest in Israel shining through and in Romans chapter 11 he's talking about, Israel's rejection of Jesus wasn't a total failure for them as far as salvation is concerned, and Gentiles should be thankful, that the Jewish people rejected Christ because it opened the door for the Gentiles to have salvation in order to make Israel jealous so that they would find Salvation. And. Pastor Newms: [35:48] It's a that's that's another one of those passages that that some people tend to gloss over because they're like I'm not touching any of this there's definitely some of that in this. Pastor Bill: [36:05] Okay and then there's this other thing about your children, your children would be unclean but as it is their holy what does it mean to say your child is Holy, and when I know you know we talked about it Newms and I have it a lot of denominations a lot of sects of Christianity have grabbed that as this whole age of accountability thing, if you're you have a parent or both parents that are saved then when the child is born they're automatically save, and then they started doing child baptisms as part of the whole well the child's already saved because they're the children of Believers but the Bible never actually, says that. Pastor Newms: [36:58] Yeah it is definitely one of those so like growing up in and throughout my own time I've always took it to mean you know, harkening back to the raise a child in the way it should go and it will not depart you know I've always kind of taken it to mean similar, but it's still the way it's worded that's not, what it says it might be what it means because of situations and things were not understanding because of the Church of Corinth what you know what people in the Church of Corinth he was writing to specifically or there could be a situation that we don't you know some Jewish context we don't know, because it is funny like you mentioned a lot of times even with the Jewish context people are just like oh it's this, and everyone's like oh yeah yeah I agree with him it's that and on this one it's like, yeah one of the commentaries I use was just blank straight up I clicked on the passage and it was blank. Pastor Bill: [38:18] Two of mine are blank on this passage. Pastor Newms: [38:20] And I was like you know a passage is interesting when the dude writing the book on the book was just like a. Pastor Bill: [38:28] No, I ain't touching it. Pastor Newms: [38:29] I'm going to get in trouble for somewhere and I'm just not even going to go there and so it's definitely an interesting, you know we look at some of you know certain aspects of Christianity and. Even with the scriptures and the Holy Spirit directing us and such we there are some things that are just confusing, and I know, and to me that's what this is one of those situations because I've never like we could make some positions like we've made you know we believe it's this or I believe it's this you believe it's that you know, but it's another one of those where because of the language difference is the cultural difference is all the differences it's real hard, to know what was truly meant by Paul in this and then one of the things that you said when we were discussing this earlier was I really just wish some days I could just sit down with Paul and be like dude, what did you mean cuz. Pastor Bill: [39:36] Yeah explain this to me because I have. Pastor Newms: [39:38] Feel right like I. Pastor Bill: [39:40] I'm obviously missing something here give me a give me a Rosetta Stone a key to decipher what you're saying or something. Pastor Newms: [39:50] And sometimes in situations like this I wonder if we had all of Paul's writings maybe it would help. Pastor Bill: [40:02] The Bible would be like 10 times as long. Pastor Newms: [40:06] I know I know I know I know it's impossible I know I get it there's a reason that you know the church. Pastor Bill: [40:13] It would be volumes and be like here's my Bible volumes 1 through 7. Pastor Newms: [40:16] I know I know I know but it's just. Pastor Bill: [40:17] Um number 1 has the Old Testament and all of the New Testament writings except for Pauls and here is. Pastor Newms: [40:26] Every letter he wrote in its but sometimes it's just like I know that there's something somewhere. [40:38] Beware and who who has it so this is one of those situations where we have to rely on faith you know it's, yeah we have. Pastor Bill: [40:53] The Bible says we need no teacher but the Holy Spirit. Pastor Newms: [40:58] So there's times where it's like okay and and again you know this passage specifically is rougher to me because you know one of the things. Pastor Bill: [41:12] Is that a word, rougher? Pastor Newms: [41:15] I think it is. Pastor Bill: [41:16] Isn't it more rough. Pastor Newms: [41:19] I mean it's rougher. Pastor Bill: [41:22] Rougher doesn't sound right. Pastor Newms: [41:24] Yeah no comparative adjective is rougher. Pastor Bill: [41:29] Okay ruff. Pastor Newms: [41:36] According to Oxford Oxford it is I don't know man. Pastor Bill: [41:48] I'm sorry I derailed you. Pastor Newms: [41:53] What is what was it where was it, oh this one's rougher because you know we have a conversation often about you know, in Christianity and the capital c Church some things matter and other things, don't matter as much like you know you've got these denominations that fight over you know the littlest craziest thing and you're just like why why are we arguing or I'm better than this person because my left toe never does this or you know I'm better than this person because my right hand does that you know there's all these things in Christianity sometimes wear Even in our own sects we argue about him, and so often we're like okay the important parts are, Jesus you know the core tenets of the faith those are what's important and then everything else is well we're getting through it together you know. Pastor Bill: [43:04] And you hear you hear crazy stories like the church that the story of I'm going to say that the story of because I don't know if it's true or if it's was made up or to illustrate a point, but the story of the small Baptist Church that split over the color of the new what new carpet they should get and, they narrowed it down to two colors at half the church supporter one color and half the church supported the other color, and one day one of the representatives of one of the colors that had enough and they showed up with chainsaws and cut the church in half and loaded their half onto a trailer, and took it to the other side of town. Pastor Newms: [43:47] I mean I could see it happening people are weird but this is one of those situations where, what makes it rougher for me is this is about sanctification and this is about I mean the words used are the same words that are used in other very important. Pastor Bill: [44:07] Salvation. Pastor Newms: [44:09] Scriptures and you know so it's one of those words like huh but, to me you know it's one of those things where it's it's still a personal relationship and even if, you are so much more percentage likely to follow because your parent does or your spouse does or your you know, things. Pastor Bill: [44:38] One of my commentaries and I had to say it that way because I have one two three four five six seven eight now that I go to for stuff but one of them said, that it wasn't firsthand salvation but this is what's known as secondhand salvation, that the husband is receiving salvation because of the wife salvation because when they entered into Covenant they became one, and so her salvation then saves him because they are one was what this one commentary had to say about it. Pastor Newms: [45:16] Yeah Matthew Henry had some interesting things to say on it cuz he said similar things but used much more more graphic language about. Pastor Bill: [45:24] More graphic language and for the eighteen hundreds he was not approved man. Pastor Newms: [45:30] Acts that caused the joining of the spirit it was like oh. Pastor Bill: [45:36] I bet the church fathers hated when Matthew Henry released his commentary. Pastor Newms: [45:42] I I never expected in a commentary that has nothing to do with, certain areas of the Bible to have the word copulation in it. Pastor Bill: [45:55] Copulation. Pastor Newms: [45:56] Copulation, yeah I was like what Henry calm down Mr. Henry come on now like woo. Pastor Bill: [46:03] I wish I love I love Matthew Henry's writings I wish that he had lived long enough to finish his full commentary, he he died of a heart attack they didn't know it as heart attack or stroke he did have a stroke they didn't know it as stroke then they knew it as, bulging veins or something something like that he died of stroke and he had these two apprentices that went back through his notes on sermons that he had preached and then finishes commentaries for him based off of notes that he had preached and they just don't have the same gusto as the Matthew Henry that you're talking about right now you know, they're like a photocopy they don't like the original texture of the pen on paper. Pastor Newms: [46:55] He was a very. He had very strong beliefs and and a lot of his writings are very passionate. Pastor Bill: [47:06] And he didn't like Catholics and he didn't favor Jews in anyway he didn't hate Jews he did not hate Jews at all. Pastor Newms: [47:12] That's one way to say it no no he wasn't one of. Pastor Bill: [47:17] He didn't favor Jews, definitely takes every opportunity to rail against the Catholic church and sometimes it is just straight funny to read Matthew Henry's commentaries. Pastor Newms: [47:29] And some of it's like um that one's a little far. Pastor Bill: [47:33] I don't know why we started talking about Matthew Henry's commentaries instead of what we're supposed to be talking about I mean I know what path led us there but I don't know why we entertained it. Pastor Newms: [47:42] Because we both like Matthew Henry. Pastor Bill: [47:45] Yeah we do he's so good alright so let's talk about divorce okay because, in verse 10 of chapter 7 however Paul says to the married I give this command not I but the Lord wife is not to leave her husband, but if she does leave she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and a husband is not to divorce his wife, okay. I want to make it very clear. That it is not the opinion of the Ekklesian House or the Berean Manifesto, Or myself or even Pastor news, I'm going to speak for you, that this is anything other than in the most ideal of situations. Okay in the most of Ideal situations a wife is not to leave her husband. [49:01] But there are grounds for divorce, there are grounds given in the Old Testament, there are grounds given that just common sense okay and I don't want to hear any of this, stuff I've been hearing from certain people online about, well why should just let herself get hit one or two times and and the third time go to church no the first time a husband or a wife treats their spouse as anything other than treasured. That's a problem that's a. [49:57] I'm not, those of you that are into BDSM those of you that are kinky those of you that have a healthy copulation life. And within the confines of consent you have some stuff going on I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about abuse. Actual non-consensual abuse okay that is grounds and let's talk about a little bit about why I feel that way. Let's turn back just verse Corinthians chapter 7 and let's look at verse 4, It says. [50:55] Let's back up one verse, a husband should fulfill his marital Duty to his wife and likewise the wife to her. Paul is talking about more than just copulation why. Pastor Newms: [51:16] Just because I brought it up at with Matthew Henry and Matthew Henry it's now it's just it's one of those things it's yeah. Pastor Bill: [51:24] Okay and then verse for a wife does not have the right over her own body but her husband does in the same way a husband does not have the right over his own body but his wife does, in that dynamic, of the wife owns the husband and the husband owns the wife okay, that should create an equal. Well you're both taking care of each other but when one of those two starts to abuse the other. It's no longer an equal owning it now becomes slavery. [52:21] Joining you said again if one spouse is abusing the other. And they're not they don't have that symbiosis equal equality going on this has become slavery, the wife has become a slave of the husband and the husband, is treating the wife as a slave, physically abusing verbally abusing this is how you treat a slave not a spouse and vice versa if the wife is physically verbally abusive. Then it's become slavery All Right Turn the Page chapters First Corinthians chapter 7 verse. [53:16] Because certain verse 20 Let each of you remain in the situation in which he was called were you cold while slave. Don't let it concern you but if you can become free by all means take the opportunity. Now we will reply. Abuse physical verbal to the Old Testament and look at the law that Moses gave. [53:50] If a husband started treating his wife as a slave that is under Jewish law tantamount to what is called putting her away. You are no longer married. But you have certain duties to that person as long as they want you to continue to take care of them. That is a soft divorce, that the man entered into because he became abusive. And the same thing if the woman became abusive a man could put her away to soft divorce and then if they decided. They can have a full divorce. God as far as we can tell from inspired writing is not a fan of divorce. But also. [55:10] 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verse 15 the last sentence in that verse God has called you to live in peace. God is not a fan abuse God is not a fan of committing to one person to be their property to, fulfill yourself with them to fulfill them and in going around and sleeping with other people. That is not a fan of that now I know polyamory. Making a big comeback right now I've always been taught if if both people in the marriage are sword. Pastor Newms: [56:11] Consensual. Pastor Bill: [56:12] Consensual to what's going on, it's fine so if you have an open marriage or a polyamorous whatever. Just like anything else that's between you and God I don't need to know that I don't care to know that please don't email me, please don't ask what you're doing is between you and God like I said the holy spirit is your teacher, um and and in God doesn't like divorce. [56:58] If you need to leave you need to leave, and I'm telling you it is my personal opinion not going to speak for Pastor Newms this time, it is my personal opinion that if your spouse abuses you physically verbally, unconsensually abuses you then that person has already spiritually divorced you. And you are now living with them outside of marriage because they've already divorced you you're no longer their spouse and their heart. And you need to decide do you need to get out of there. Pastor Newms: [57:43] Yeah because there's definitely there's definitely. One of the problems with Western culture and Eastern culture to a degree now is, we've turned marriage not into something between us and God I mean us meaning husband and wife and God we've turned it into a governmental contract. Pastor Bill: [58:13] And it has nothing to do with the government or shouldn't. Pastor Newms: [58:15] It has nothing to do with government and and so there's that whole thing one of the things we were talking about earlier. Pastor Bill: [58:21] Sorry let me rephrase what I just said, it does have something to do with the government the government should recognize your marriage the government shouldn't be what legitimizes your marriage. Pastor Newms: [58:37] Yes, and you know we were talking earlier there are there are people because of our Health crisis, who are having to make a decision do we stay married or do I get health benefits do we stay married and you pay all my debt when I die because I have cancer or do we get a divorce, you know there's, because of the government controlling marriage the way they have its created some very interesting, aspects that make it a lot harder to, as Pastor Bill was saying it's talked about in the Old Testament of putting someone away or you know things like that is not as easy, as you know which is good, to a certain degree but then really bad in a lot of situations and you know I've definitely heard people say oh well you should just stay with that person no matter what it's like well there's there's there's some, there are some situations where you need to go and you know so it's definitely something that has to be looked at, and it definitely is something you have to you know. Pastor Bill: [1:00:06] And you hear about it all the time oh I love them I stay with them because they can change they can get better well I want to tell you they can get better while you're in. Pastor Newms: [1:00:17] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:00:19] They can take care of their drinking problem without you around it's just, truth honesty like don't stay and put yourself in danger. Pastor Newms: [1:00:32] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:00:33] Because oh will they need they need to change and they can I have faith in them I believe in them that's that's fine and good have faith in them and believe in them from a distance, let them know I support you but now I'm not safe here. Pastor Newms: [1:00:53] And it's. Pastor Bill: [1:00:53] And and and things have gone bad for other people if you want to know how they've gone bad go Google Lorena Bobbitt, and see an issue about a woman saying because she loved her husband and at some point she snapped. And things went very wrong for him she wasn't safe to say and then he became unsafe because she stayed. Pastor Newms: [1:01:27] I can't believe that's where you went, you know I always end the thing with be safe and I think it's time we go ahead and say that because I have nothing and nowhere I can go. To follow Lorena Bobbitt in any spiritual way I cannot. Pastor Bill: [1:01:55] Anyway ever bother. Pastor Newms: [1:02:12] Like four times today we've killed General chat in the game we play anyway it's definitely something that, you know you have to there are reasons to leave, and when those reasons arrive you have to do the smart thing whether you want to or not especially if there's children involved you have to be safe, and then secondarily in other situations it's when it's not a safety aspect you've got to take that to God and, you know through the Holy Spirit through counseling through whatever it is make the decision and. You know stick with it but it's definitely not something that's never allowed like some people teach that's craziness and unsafe and the. Pastor Bill: [1:03:18] I wish everyone that was married could be married safely happily forever I do I wish that for everyone I really do, we live in a fallen world we live in a harsh world and we live in a reality where it's reality. All right that's all we have for tonight so. Pastor Newms: [1:03:47] Now you start singing. Pastor Bill: [1:03:49] Not yet if you want to join us live when we recorded this podcast we meet on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and so on Sundays you could come and join us on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitch and, last laugh when we laugh like when things like Lorna Bobbitt come up and then you can, get on the chat and join us like we've got Biggs and HPuffPhoenix and Zaidie all joining us on Twitch. 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S3EP33 - Just Hanging Out

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 24, 2021 68:27

Pastor Newms: [0:00] Intro video. Pastor Bill: [0:04] Yay. Pastor Newms: [0:06] Intro video. How was the level of the intro video did it need to come down at all? Was it good? Pastor Bill: [0:14] It was good no they were just right yeah. Pastor Newms: alright good good. Pastor Bill: That you could hear the you could hear that well I don't know I thought maybe the music was a little low, maybe could have turned the music up a little bit but the volume of the of the talking was. Pastor Newms: [0:32] Well yeah it's the same volume as normal. Pastor Bill What was the number of this episode? Pastor Newms: I don't remember I've lost track it. Pastor Bill: [0:58] I'll go look at the titles. Pastor Newms: [1:02] I turn this computer on when I texted you earlier so. Um, I ain't got nothing going nothing. I haven't created the folder for today nice why did you type that okay. Pastor Bill: [1:23] Mirand on Facebook beat me to it. It's in some of the season and episode number. Hey Biggs, Biggs on Twitch we're doing a thing we're we yeah we talked during the five minute countdown now so you should be able to hear us it was my chatter we're going to chat. Pastor Newms: [1:51] I'll give you some chatter cheddar sea. Pastor Bill: [1:57] Yeah HPuffPhoenix says. Pastor Newms: [2:02] Are we staying up super late tonight and watching things or are you going to be are you going to be watching. Pastor Bill: [2:10] It's Father's Day. Pastor Newms: [2:11] Or are you going to be watching things with your wife. Pastor Bill: [2:14] I'm probably going to be spending time with my wife since it's father's day. Pastor Newms: [2:25] But it's the first episode of season 5 aha. Haha yeah we all came home and crashed like hardcore. There's a come with your deep theological questions Bring It On. [2:51] Push down with the beds been calling she has already been in the bed that was calling her name she slept on the way down here mmm mmm. Pastor Bill: [3:03] Okay so like I was saying before we started the countdown this game terragenesis game. My temperature is still too hot I'm trying to get my temperature down to terraforming the Moon, and that's creating more water or but I still need to get my temperature down more but then I've got too much water just crazy and then, the game got complicated it was supposed to be a I can just leave it running while I go do other stuff but then all of the little plants that I created on the planet all died off every time I walked away, so I gotta pause the game when I walk away now or the whole planet dies. Pastor Newms: [3:47] Hello the best 13:17 appears to be one of my cousins. Pastor Bill: [3:55] The best 1317 like Macallan 1317. [4:03] McCallum it's the it's a scotch. [4:20] I collect useless details in my brain. Pastor Newms: [4:22] Forty seconds by the way. Pastor Bill: [4:25] 40 second buffer. Pastor Newms: No, we're not doing that. Pastor Bill: [4:54] Um maybe it's your cousin Matt do you have a cousin Matt? Pastor Newms: [5:00] Have to cousin mats oh yeah that's my cousin Matt Okay there I push the right button. Pastor Bill: [5:12] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 33 of The Berean Manifesto. Tonight we are hanging out, we're answering questions we are getting into deep theological discussions Maybe. Pastor Newms: [5:28] About book. Pastor Bill: [5:30] If that happens that comes up it may not, um it's Father's Day Newms is a father I'm a father we're kind of taking it easy Newms had a family reunion this week and I, set up my lovely workspace with my new desk and my new shelves that my wife got me for my Father's Day present and I redid my rug so it's not all you know hanging loose. Pastor Newms: [5:53] And you hung the free hugs where everyone can actually see him that's the T-shirt he wears. Pastor Bill: [5:58] And I hug my. Pastor Newms: [5:59] When we do ministry. Pastor Bill: [6:00] Sure yeah this is a t-shirt we've been wearing we do ministry we're going to design a new one for the next the next Pride that we actually have, um because that's two prior as in a row that they canceled, and so yeah this is a shirt I cut up my shirt and mounted it on a canvas and hung it and then I don't know if you can see this. This is our determination letter from the IRS, that makes our church a church in the eyes of the government. Pastor Newms: [6:32] Yeah it was fun the family reunions was real good, it's enjoyable soft family some we like some we don't like families family who knows, it was very interesting some of the conversations I had oh excuse me, I don't know is the Dallas Pride canceled Biggs is asking. Pastor Bill: [6:57] Dallas pride is cancelled what they're doing instead is you're just having a concert, One concert where everyone will be social distancing and wearing masks and that's all they're doing. There's no vendors there's no you know any opportunity for any of that and then hopefully next year we'll be able to have a face to face Pride event where we can go out and spread the love of God and let people know that we love them. Pastor Newms: [7:38] Unless you come to Nashville in September. Pastor Bill: [7:43] Is Nashville having their Pride in September? Well I mean you didn't send me any information so we wouldn't have a booth but. Pastor Newms: [7:53] We could still go. Pastor Bill: [7:54] You could you can send me information and we can get a booth probably still. Pastor Newms: [7:59] I'm not sure how we would work a booth because we can't you have to bring everything and that be really complicated. Pastor Bill: [8:06] Well I'm sure you have an Academy there and we can just go get a 10 by 10 foot you know there's like a hundred bucks for one of those so. Pastor Newms: [8:17] H puff Phoenix will be sending you all the pride. Pastor Bill: [8:21] HPuffPhoenix is going to send me the. Pastor Newms: [8:23] Because whether you come or not I'm going so, it's really either way you really should probably send me some cards I'm gonna need some of those either way, I'm going. Pastor Bill: [8:45] It wouldn't be a bad idea I mean that's one of the things that's in you know my heart and it's in the heart of this ministry to reach out and it started with um the Holy Spirit really bring to my attention to the suicide numbers for that demographic and it really just kind of blossomed from there my earlier in life I was I was I was I was homophobic for sure. Pastor Newms: [9:23] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [9:25] Didn't want to be in Ministry to that community that that demographic didn't have anything to do with it. Pastor Newms: [9:32] Several demographics actually but that one also. Pastor Bill: [9:36] And then as time got has gone by the Lord's worked on my heart and and you know and I've gone through this transformation in knowing you know that the Lord wants me to be doing Ministry in this area and so that's what we've done. We've reached out and we've made ourselves available and gone to Pride twice in Dallas and done Ministry because I mean we walk what we talked and we preach love and so we love. Pastor Newms: [10:11] Some of us better than others. Pastor Bill: [10:15] Does it hurt you as much as it does me that people post videos about Christians being anti LGBT or sermons where they preach just stupid stuff about being anti LGBT and in the like the number one comment is a no hate like Christian love, does that bug you as much as it bugs me. Pastor Newms: [10:42] Um yes. Pastor Bill: [10:42] Because I'm like that's not that's not love and I and it hurts my heart that you've been hurt by Christians who claim to love it just hurts me so much. Pastor Newms: [10:54] And that's the big thing about it it's not necessarily just the fact of these people are so stupid it's the fact that the commenters have been so hurt we have sadly we've sadly. Pastor Bill: [11:07] That's what hurts me is that they have a right to say that. Pastor Newms: [11:16] I did not see real Christians forgive like Jesus billboard but that's a good one yeah like Heather said. Pastor Bill: [11:24] Phoenix see ya. Pastor Newms: [11:26] Like HPuffPheonix said. Pastor Bill: [11:29] She's had her own experiences in this area lately and so she can relate to that comment and that's what honestly irks me is that is a, completely Justified comment and I'm like I I I want to hug you and I want to let you know that, we're not all like that some of us actually love and aren't hung up on, our own deficiencies too much to see past our theology, to actually love you and to question my theology actually accurately biblical, or have I learned things out of context and need to put them back into Biblical context. Pastor Newms: [12:16] Yeah and that's a big one a big one is so many people and they don't look at the aspect of the Berean lifestyle you know as Paul teaches you know be like the Bereans because they actually, tested what they heard and took it back to the Bible and if it didn't line up with the Bible they say okay that's not right. Pastor Bill: [12:41] Let's be honest he didn't say Bible he said scriptures. Pastor Newms: [12:44] Well yes he said. Pastor Bill: [12:46] Where I want to I don't want to drop in some confusion and anyone that might be listening to this and go wait Paul said Bible also the word bible. Pastor Newms: [12:55] That'd be really weird. Pastor Bill: [12:57] It would be really weird. Pastor Newms: [12:58] Since it didn't exist yet yeah and it's an English word so be really really weird. Pastor Bill: [13:06] It would be really really weird yeah. Pastor Newms: [13:09] No actually we're what is the root of Bible. Pastor Bill: [13:13] It's a biblio of it's a Latin word. Pastor Newms: [13:18] So it's Latin okay. Pastor Bill: [13:20] It's a Latin word that did you literally just means book pretty much but in this case we would we would say the book. [13:33] You looking it up you googling it the etymology of the word bible always agree. Pastor Newms: [13:35] Yeah it's actually it is from it is from Greek meaning the books. Pastor Bill: [13:42] Books plural gotcha. Pastor Newms: [13:45] It had the literal meaning of scroll so. Pastor Bill: [14:01] Bigle did you mean Bible b.i.b.l.e. Pastor Newms: [14:06] Yes that's the book for me I Stand Alone. [14:16] First you're going to tear the pages because they're always leather and you're going to. Pastor Bill: [14:20] Yeah you shouldn't be standing on books that's not good for books. Pastor Newms: [14:23] Now there's something that I always have an issue with I love books, anyone who knows me very well knows I love books I have boxes of books in the house right now because I still haven't built all of the bookshelves necessary to hold everything in this house so. Um so I always struggle with that when people are like, I don't write in my Bible and I'm I always go and not because there's anything it's not like the Bible special you shouldn't write in it that's not the reason it's just like why did you write the book you know I have workbook. Pastor Bill: [15:24] So are sacrificing there. Pastor Newms: [15:27] II have workbooks. Pastor Bill: [15:29] Books. Pastor Newms: [15:30] Yeah I have I have work I have work books that have sheets, of paper in them because certain workbooks I was like this isn't feel like a workbook so I'm not writing in it I've gotten over. Pastor Bill: [15:46] Did you do with the Divine Easter devotional that I made that one year did you not right in that. [15:56] Really okay. Pastor Newms: [15:56] It's on a bookshelf now there are some books I have written in over the years some I don't really have a problem with and I don't really know why, but some just don't feel like they should be written in if the pages don't feel right I won't write in it. Pastor Bill: [16:21] Mmm I definitely write in my Bible I'll write any book I don't care but mainly my Bible I write when in when I read something and I feel like, I've received Holy Spirit and inspiration you know I'll write it in the margin, and then if I come back across that, and I'm like oh I felt like this before if I feel like well that was definitely my ego that was definitely pride those I'm gonna flush whatever I'll mark it out. My spirits still confirms that that's accurate then I'll leave it and that's you know that's one of the things that I do and I mean you can look at my this is a Bible I use most often you can't really you don't really see much because that doesn't happen all the time it happens you know infrequently but it does have. Pastor Newms: [17:18] Yeah I've got notebooks just tons of notebooks. Pastor Bill: [17:22] The one Bible I won't write in, is my copy of the Geneva Bible the 1599 Geneva Bible the version that the pilgrims brought with them on the Mayflower I'll highlight in this Bible, but I don't write in this Bible and I love this translation because it isn't, influenced by the King James and it's translation this was translated before the King James was and the King James translation was written was was, what kicked off The King James translation party as it were was that King James was upset that people were using this Bible, instead of something that he had signed off on, and so that that was the final straw and why he started having his own bible translated, and so I love this translation I don't read from it all the time but I do reference it if I find a discrepancy, between the King James and my CSB and then my going back to the Greek or the Hebrew doesn't Define it well enough for me. [18:47] I'll reference my Geneva to see, you know what am I talking about what am I looking at what was King James the King of King James was the King of England. Pastor Newms: [18:59] Which would the Church of England also makes him the head of the church correct. Pastor Bill: [19:05] Right which is a completely different issue he founded the Church of England before he, started his translation work, because he was upset at the Catholic church for overriding his, his laws and his authority and, and the church was like well we have the authority of God because we're the church and he was like but I have the authority of God because I'm the king and they were like Well church Trump's King and he was like okay, I'll just declare myself the Church of England and me the head of the church and so now I'm the church. Pastor Newms: [19:50] James became king of Scotland in. Pastor Bill: [20:00] You know what maybe was Henry that made the king of the Church of England Biggs said he thought that. Pastor Newms: [20:05] Yeah I think it's Henry that did the. [20:15] James was the King of Scotland from 1567 to 1625 and the King of England England from 1603 to 1625. Pastor Bill: [20:26] Hey I think you're right I think it was Henry I think my brain lumped it into James but that's not right it is Henry but brains are like that memory is like that sometime. Pastor Newms: [20:41] The Church of England was founded in 1534 definitely before. Pastor Bill: [20:46] So definitely not James. It was more than Biggs says because he could not divorce his wife and a lot of historians paint it that way but that was literally only about this much of it that wasn't the whole story. Pastor Newms: [21:03] Henry the 8th in 1534 and of course this says because of his annulment to, so then he. Then pulled it to the Church of England. Pastor Bill: [21:29] Henry took a lot of women's heads, one of his wives he beheaded her because she gave birth to a daughter instead of a son, I'm like, give her another chance bro. Pastor Newms: [21:50] King James started the project in 1604 and the first trip the first published was of course 1611. Pastor Bill: [22:00] And the Geneva Bible was published in 1599. Pastor Newms: [22:04] And it was just the new version would help consolidate political power is what historians believe. Pastor Bill: [22:12] Now granted, the Geneva Bible was not in the language that it is in right now and neither was the King James Bible but both the King James Bible and the Geneva Bible were written in old English and if you want to know what old English looks like because it's really hard to find a copy of the Bible in Old English, go look for a copy of the Canterbury Tales in Old English and that'll give you an idea of what English was like in the time of King James. Pastor Newms: [22:48] I've seen some you know in museums and stuff copies of it and they'll have it open and it's it's to me especially being dyslexic it's unreadable. Pastor Bill: [23:00] It is it is it is unreadable it really is. [23:12] It's pretty close like the word Jesus isn't pronounced Jesus it's EOsus and it's spelled Ioesus, um in English that's English, now we call it Old English because since then we've replaced all the English with the queen's English which is what, modern King James bibles are translated into and what The Geneva Bible is translated into is the queen's English and then from there we got English which does what, British people speak right now which is a slang version of the queen's English and we have American English which is. Pastor Newms: [24:03] It's a language we'll leave it at that. Pastor Bill: [24:04] Melting Pot language it's just a bunch of languages that we pulled everything together and borrowed from to make a whole different version of English. Pastor Newms: [24:14] It's a something is what it is. Pastor Bill: [24:16] But Phoenix says Canterbury Tales gives me British literature Nightmares From culinary, I agree Canterbury Tales in the original language will get anyone nightmares when you hear it spoken especially it is, terrifying Old English is it's terrifying to here, at least for me. Pastor Newms: [24:46] It doesn't it messes with your brain because it's close but not there so it feels like an alien trying to speak your language. Pastor Bill: [24:57] Well it almost feels like Roman and German and English just like imploaded into each other. Pastor Newms: [25:07] I mean that's basically what happened. Pastor Bill: [25:12] That's what happened but it actually sounds like it, when you're when you're speaking American English in your borrowing words from you know Latin and Spanish and German you don't actively understand that but when you hear Old English, and you know and you know you know enough of these Roman and Germanic and languages and you can actually feel you know. It's this it's crazy it's this mishmash of insanity. Pastor Newms: [25:44] It's a little weird yeah I will. Pastor Bill: [25:48] All right so we may be, not having an official night but we're still going to know do Get To Know The Pastor's so come back we'll get everybody involved not just you and me we get everybody in the check ball two. Pastor Newms: [26:06] I can't go any farther from when I baby sat Liby the cages is still in my office so this is as far as I can escape. Pastor Bill: [26:17] You did. Pastor Newms: [26:18] I can only Escape I didn't think it through and then when I got there I went. Pastor Bill: [26:27] Okay you ready what's the worst job you've ever had. Pastor Newms: [26:36] Can I answer for you. Pastor Bill: [26:43] Um I've got to but yeah go ahead. Pastor Newms: [26:45] Walmart specifically in that little Podunk town that was terrible, where the store manager was completely insane and broke all the rules. Yeah thank you HPuffPhoenix that's a good point Libby is a dog I should clarify that. Pastor Bill: [27:14] We have a cage when we were babysitting. Pastor Newms: [27:18] Thank you H Puff Phoenix. Pastor Bill: [27:22] I didn't even think about it that yeah think about it. Pastor Newms: [27:28] I don't have any people that would be in cages running around I don't want to try to explain since we have young ones here what any of those terms might be I would love I would love for you to have to explain that later though if I used any other terms. Pastor Bill: [27:49] That would be interesting, okay so Biggs asks paid or unpaid job either just any job responsibilities that you have so let me you're right but let me before I say anything further about that, my experience with this employer WalMart was my personal and shouldn't be taken as any reflection of judgment or claims, against the largest employer in the world who can sue my butt off for ages. Pastor Newms: [28:31] No and because. Pastor Bill: [28:32] It should have no reflection on the corporation. Pastor Newms: [28:34] And what's crazy about that I will say is he still talking but we can't hear him sorry we'll give him a second to come back are you back now, you did you left right about here. Pastor Bill: [28:52] Let me make sure I'm not on the Wi-Fi, I'm not. Pastor Newms: [29:00] So for me Walmart wasn't my worst job I loved it was great, and so when you tried to get a job there you were like oh this is going to be good and I'm like that's why I said for a bad store manager because I worked for a store managers that was awesome. Pastor Bill: [29:22] By the time I was coming to the end of my term at Walmart it was so bad, that I literally would walk in the front door and become so nauseated the first thing I would do before I clocked in was go throw up. And then I would go clock in, it was that it was really, really bad, and it wasn't so much the customers the customers, I mean they were just normal customers they have needs yeah they're not the brightest sometimes because they'd be like hey help me find, but yeah like you said having a store manager that did everything wrong I mean he would literally come around the store with his little cart pushing his car man and give us a notes on things that needed to be done. [30:32] And you do the things on your notes and then he follow up after lunch and spend 10 minutes swearing at you. Because you did the thing that he told you to do on your note and now he's saying that's wrong you should never do that, we don't do that here and I'm like. I literally just did what's in your the note that you gave me this morning I can literally word for word what you wrote in your notes, so that was my Walmart experience and then number two for me was once again not reflective on the whole Corporation but McDonald's. [31:18] I worked at McDonald's for 3 days I worked flipping burgers for three days, and by that I mean. [31:30] I'm standing there and they want me to flip burgers that are on a surface that I could Bend like this to get to, and I'm bending down this freezer pull out meat to put on this thing and then push this button and it goes down which is supposed to fully cook them, or at least cook them most of the way and then you're supposed to transfer the heating trays but ours didn't quite work right, so after I push the button and it went down once then I had to flip them literally flip them and press the button again, cook them again and then put them in the trays and ever so often I would have to do it a third time, because you literally they were literally still pink, um like uh not even fully thawed yet pink and hard still after two times of using the, heated press and on the third day when my shift manager came over and wanted to have the conversation about, you know you're a great employee and in 6 months I want to get you into the management training program and you could make up to nine dollars an hour. [32:49] That was the last straw that was my okay my back hurts constantly I'm burned all over my arms from this this thing, you're talking about a future where I can look forward to maxing out at nine dollars an hour I'm done. Pastor Newms: [33:06] So I've been sitting here trying to think. I've had jobs that had bad situations but no bad jobs overall jobs that turned into bad, but I'd probably have to say it was working for the prison software that was probably the worst just. Pastor Bill: [33:46] It wasn't calling Baptist Churches to try to get them to send their kids to an Acquire The Fire. Pastor Newms: [33:54] No I don't think it was because the job wasn't bad the people were just really really rude to someone who believed the same thing they did mostly, so now I don't think that was the job but the, just the actual but that job was bad because of the it started off being a little bit of micromanagement and I was like okay I'm new cool and then after, what was it for years it never changed and so at a certain point it was like okay I'm done, and so I moved to Tennessee um so yeah. Pastor Bill: [34:42] Zadie says but that wasn't a job is she talking about you or she's talking about what I said about your ministry assignment. Pastor Newms: [34:49] What you said because it was yeah she's saying what you said because it was a. Pastor Bill: [34:56] No it was definitely a job. [35:05] All right so Biggs on Twitch says washing big electric cabinets with powerwash spraying acid, that sounds terrifying. Pastor Newms: [35:20] How old were you at that point Biggs? Like would that even be legal at this point the kind of acid wash they used back then because I know it was like the 1500 s. Pastor Bill: [35:34] The fifteen hundreds, Biggs was 18. Pastor Newms: [35:38] Yeah 18 so that was 1392 so I mean it yeah I can see that. Pastor Bill: [35:45] Biggs is not older than the United States of America come on man. Pastor Newms: [35:54] No but some of his family members might be. Pastor Bill: [35:58] Oh You would know you were just spending time with them. Pastor Newms: [36:03] And by the way just in case you're wondering the Matt that is joining us the best, he's in the good part and actually only lives about you know a little ways away from here so it's good cuz, we're going to start a oh he's being mean now. Pastor Bill: [36:32] He is being mean he calling you old. Pastor Newms: [36:34] Cuz that means that is true I was born when he was 20 supposedly but I don't know if vampires when they have children they age in the same way. Pastor Bill: [36:43] Twenty hundred Maybe. Pastor Newms: [36:44] Maybe. So and then HPuffPhoenix said the same thing you said but for a different reason she said McDonald's because of the customers because she wrote wrote, sheep was. Can I try that one again we'll just cut that out and post that we don't do, it'll do any post but post know we're live we're not playing this game. Pastor Bill: [37:30] This is a live man. Pastor Newms: [37:31] Oh yeah I forgot, she worked the drive-thru most of the time so she mm yeah. Pastor Bill: [37:46] Now on the opposite side what about good jobs like what's the best job. Is it really. Pastor Newms: [38:04] For me it is because and here's the reason why all of my jobs have ended really really weirdly, except for Walmart actually Walmart ended because I transitioned out to focus on school, but all of them, ended because I chose to because of the situations except for one and, and that one, is just real, bad situation from beginning to end but I enjoyed the work, so I that one I don't even think I could begin to answer I love the company I am currently working for because what they do is awesome, Heather sorry HPuffPhoenix said in her message where she currently works I can't it's names are hard for me. Pastor Bill: [39:09] Yeah so when I hear when I hear HPuff or read heads pathetic say that and hear you say that I'm like looking for a raise huh. Pastor Newms: [39:19] No my eval already. Pastor Bill: [39:20] Get now is the best job I've ever had. Pastor Newms: [39:23] No my evals already come through and sadly it was really it'll cause, the healthcare has gone through a rough time with covid let's just um when your main when your main basis is elective care surgeries and then, elective care surgeries I'll get cancelled for almost a year. Pastor Bill: [39:47] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [39:48] But no the reason I like to company I currently work for is because they offer a payment program, and our medical system is so messed up we all need payment programs to actually pay for any of our services because none of us can ever afford actual Healthcare. Pastor Bill: [40:08] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [40:09] And it's at zero percent interest the patient doesn't get charged anything extra, the hospital doesn't get charged anything extra and it doesn't go on their anyone's credit score and I haven't been someone who went through bankruptcy because of medical bills, because of that but in Heather loves it because I saw Phoenix loves it because she, she can see Ellen insurance companies all day she's great at her job and it's really funny because she's really sweet, to the to the patients they'll if they get through to her that she should go well I'll head definitely take care of you everything's going to be fine let me put you on a brief hold give me just one moment and then like with like the people at the clinics it's like oh yes we'll definitely let me put you on a brief let me step by step by step but we just need to answer a couple but about that but you know super sweet and then she gets on with these insurance companies that aren't paying for medicine that these people need because they're going through kidney failure you know and it's like, yes but the temperature butter this is dated and then all of a sudden it's like well. [41:31] What you don't understand is and like you don't I don't know what she says ninety-nine percent of the time, because it's that attitude it's real sweet it's real calm it's really everything's fine everything's great and then you just hear from the other just the uptick and you're like insurance company said, and Heather Phoenix is protecting her patients so. Pastor Bill: [42:00] That's funny all right so for me I got to again, um and I'm going to tell you what the name you know the companies are but I'm in a preface this with, it wasn't about the companies for me and it wasn't about what the companies did for me, it was being in positions that challenged me and that kept my focus varied, and gave me the ability to multitask, you know I've got this project and I've got this project and I'm trying to balance the time and make sure it's all working and I've got metrics that I can plug things into and make sure it all balances and so for me, adding all of that to do where I'm not bored and I've got multi things going on so. [43:03] Um being the marketing director there I had to do I had to be cash here add to B marketing director I had to be team lead shift lead all that at the same time, so basically doing all of the running of the restaurant not actually being responsible for running the restaurant that was that was the actual, franchisees job she did a great job her and her husband they ran it great but I was there to do anything that they needed to do while they weren't there I could step in, and do that and so that was really fulfilling for me I really like that despite, how that ended where I was like you know I either need more money and less hours or I'm gonna have to start looking for a different job. [43:58] And that really poisoned the relationship I had with the franchise owner, she didn't take that in the spirit that I was intended she took that as an insult or as a leveraging technique which it really wasn't I was just being honest you know this is what's going on, and I'm going to have to look for a new job and if I find something I'll give you two weeks-notice once I find something and so everything was just weren't real downhill from there, so despite that ending you know and the other job, you know for all the same reasons that I listed was when I went back to work for Teen Mania after I left Gateway, or with separate from Gateway or however you want to say that I went back to work for Teen Mania and while that was a brief. [44:57] Time because that ship was already sinking, um it really you know did all those things multiple fires and had to juggle and you know all that stuff so, that that was that was what it was this for me. [45:28] Where do we go from here. Pastor Newms: [45:31] Well so. How was your week we haven't even done this part yet. Pastor Bill: [45:44] Oh man well I got my desks in. And then realize well I had enough space for the desks I didn't make enough space for me in my chair, so then I had to get a little creative and the way that I put in the desks. Pastor Newms: [46:07] I thought we I thought you measured that first. Pastor Bill: [46:10] I didn't measure me I measured the space and I was like well this gives me space to walk in and out. But I didn't consider the size of my chair and the size of me sitting in the chair and doing this and all of that so. Had to be arranged a little bit but I got to desks so I have a little shit going on and those are working great, and then I got these lovely shelves this week this is my Father's Day present from my wife I went on Amazon and I was like, you know sent her a list I said I like this and I like this and she was like those are only shelves and I was like yeah but they're two different kind of shelves you get to pick which one, so I opened that yesterday and put those up so I could you know put all my stuff on it and you can't see oh so fine. [47:14] Bottom shelf is knickknacks and then the next shelf is a cup few knickknacks and the, religious books that I reference from time to time one of them is the complete collections of Smith Wigglesworth, which I really like The Geneva Bible and the other one I don't really agree with everything that she teaches but it's the complete collections, Maria Woodworth Ettor, I like to reference it sometimes just to get an opposing Viewpoint you know it's not that she's unbiblical in her beliefs it's just that theological we don't always agree, and that's okay that's not a problem for me you know all that does is challenge me too. [48:09] To find you know what I actually believe and why I believe it which is good and then my third shelf, I've got I love this this is a 50th Anniversary Edition TARDIS Doctor Who Tardis that my wife got me used to be a bauble that made noise but um, Finnick made sure that it would never do that anymore and then I've got a couple of Doctor Who books from the time the time lord Victorious series that I still need to read but reading has become an issue for me lately and then I've got A Princess of Mars which is the beginning of Edgar Rice Burroughs Barsoom series, and then I've got At The Earths Core which is the beginning of Edgar Rice Burroughs. [49:03] Pelucidar series and then I've got the ever life shattering Lungbarrow, which is the Doctor Who book that came out in the 80s that redefined the canon of Doctor Who and forever shaped, Doctor Who lore and everything has built upon that since then even the new twists that they've released in Doctor Who in these recent seasons have been inspired by this novel, last I checked there were only a few copies of that left and the cheapest you could get one for was a hundred and seven dollars. Pastor Newms: [50:10] Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo ba he searches. Pastor Bill: [50:13] Cheapest you can get it in paperback right now is 200 dollars. Pastor Newms: [50:18] Nice. Pastor Bill: [50:21] So that that up there on top of my shelf and when I asked for it was one of those shoot for the moon you know quests and then my mom found one for like 20 bucks, and got it for me and I was like I didn't expect that to ever okay awesome. That will shoot for the my prayer request I had no idea. Pastor Newms: [50:55] I think you even cried a little. [51:02] I mean not to front you but I'm pretty sure you did so. Pastor Bill: [51:11] Definitely been a grams my mama she she's something else so. I'll show you the book as it looks like this. All right so that's what happened this week with me a lot of, labor and then I had to go through my filing cabinet and get rid of everything that I had you know. I have hoarder tendencies, so I went through my filing cabinet and threw away a 13 gallon trash bag worth of stuff from my filing cabinet and it's just a three drawer cabinet it's literally sitting underneath this desk right here and is only like 14 inches wide but it was stuffed to the brim with things and, is not important. Pastor Newms: [52:23] You have to you have to purge every now and then it is very important I learned that at a certain point in life and I don't like it, at all not even a little and I'm really really really really really really bad at it but my loving wife Zadie is much, better at it than I am and. Pastor Bill: [53:05] And what would they audit, I don't I don't have enough money to spend enough money to make an audit last more than a few minutes I don't even know what they would be auditing I'd be like, here you go here's all my bank statements for the year yes it's only 24 pages that is all the bank statements for the whole year, here you go. Pastor Newms: [53:32] It is true. Pastor Bill: [53:38] You just throw it all away well everything's digital now I mean you throw away receipts are all digital. Stores are like would you like a receipt and I'm like yeah I'm pretty sure my bank statements just going to tell me what you charged me so. Unless I'm buying it from some place I said I think I might need to return this at some point. Then I don't need your piece of tree you can just say that. Pastor Newms: [54:11] I like the email option and then it goes to my email and then I don't look at it ever and forget to clean that email out. Pastor Bill: [54:21] It bugs me when I go to Sam's and all I buy is like what's the word, consumables all I buy is consumables so it's not something I'm going to bring back and you get to the cash register and they're like would you like a printed receipt, or would you like it printed and emailed so either way I'm gonna have to take a receipt. Pastor Newms: [54:46] Well would you like me to tell you why. Pastor Bill: [54:50] I would like to explain yeah so many of these explain to me why they scan the receipt and a couple of your items at the door. Pastor Newms: [54:57] Oh no that that that's just for are you walking out with something, verification that's what I'm talking about I'm talking about the actual reason for certain receipting and how the receipting is done so the government actually dictates how receipts have to look and in what ways you can share them and depending on what you can buy, depends on how the receipt has to look so like places that sell, gift cards and things like that their receipts have to have specific language on them depending on the state and federal government and so because of that it's, certain states require a printed receipt so some companies just print the receipt every time because it's cheaper than trying to figure out are you a consumer from that state it's not a requirement based on where you're at it's a requirement based on where you are a current resident and so because of that it's very interesting. Pastor Bill: [56:10] Biggs is like or now. Pastor Newms: [56:13] You can thank two states for that but I'm not going to name them because they're mean. [56:22] And you can thank money launderers. Pastor Bill: [56:26] Juneteenth is a Federal holiday now. Pastor Newms: [56:30] Oh really. Pastor Bill: [56:32] Yeah it's Friday they voted on Thursday they officially voted to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday and then this year it was observed on Friday, you know celebrated Saturday, and so all federal buildings were closed on Friday all businesses that observe federal holidays were supposed to be closed on Friday, um and I thought you know I never want to be the white savior guy that's not who I am I'm an ally I'm a friend I will back you up you call the play, and I'll be there you know you say black lives matter and we need representation I'm the guy that goes you tell me what my responsibility is to back you up there I'm not the guy going around going, you know you're not representing them correctly that's not me I'm the Ally I meant you know you tell me what I'm supposed to be doing to back you up I'm there and I thought this was a good thing I thought you know finally the federal government is represent you know is Right is recognizing Juneteenth and if you don't know what Juneteenth is, it is the day that. [57:52] The slave owners in Texas officially received word, two years after the freeing of the slaves, um that, slavery was now illegal in the United States of America and had to let their slaves free and I said had to because that's actually how it went down, they were not willingly setting them free in Texas there were other states that, willingly Texas that was not a thing Texas they had to be forced so Juneteenth is this, this Landmark beginning of this march to equality some people say it's you know two years earlier when it started, saying you need to set all your slaves free is it isn't really the actual start it's the point, all of that is actually enforced is the word starts so to me Juneteenth is the beginning of that march to equality, but I've seen a lot of videos on Tic-Tok where like I said I'm an ally you tell me where to go and I've seen a lot of videos where a lot of people in the. What am I supposed to say now is it black or African-American or. Pastor Newms: [59:17] Just say community in that community. Pastor Bill: [59:20] Okay that Community are. Pastor Newms: [59:24] I'm not I'm not sure until I don't want to say it wrong let me let me be clear on why it's really depends on preference of the person you're talking. Pastor Bill: [59:30] Due respect, to who it's do we respectful they feel like it's pandering I've seen a lot of videos where they feel like this is just pandering and I get that I see their point of view, and if that's what we you know if that's the overwhelming consensus like I said I'm an ally I'll back you up, but I saw it as a recognition of the beginning of the March toward equality and so I was happy for it, so if somebody wants to email me if you're hearing that saying this somebody wants to email me and tell me how to support it and how to follow through or if I should just ignore it because like with the black history month thing for years I felt like that was pandering, I felt like. Pastor Newms: [1:00:22] Well there are some people go. Pastor Bill: [1:00:26] I felt like we need holidays all year long that celebrate Breck black history not cram everything into one month and go well this is everything that but you know it needs to be spread out over all year long all year long, we need to give recognition to the Pioneers that, made this country what it is that aren't white we should be doing that all year long it shouldn't be one month and then you know I shared a video on Tic-Tok of an interview that Morgan Freeman where he said the exact same thing and I was like that's how I felt about this for years. Pastor Newms: [1:01:07] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:01:09] And I'm an ally I'm not the white savior I'm not the. Pastor Newms: [1:01:12] We're not trying to do that you know. Pastor Bill: [1:01:13] I'm not going out there and trying to fix the world's ills for everybody else, and so when he said that I was like hey I can share that because I agree with that and now you know someone in this community is actually saying it so it's, the 19th is Biggs asks because the 18th the date for Juneteenth the 19th is but when federal holidays fall on a Saturday they are observed on a Friday when they fall on a Sunday they are observed on a Monday. Pastor Newms: [1:01:48] When I first heard about Juneteenth it made me sick, the fact that we did you know that and I say we I don't mean we as white people I don't mean we as you know Texas that I'm no longer. Pastor Bill: [1:02:08] Proud Texan I was ashamed. Pastor Newms: [1:02:11] I say we as Americans we as humans continued to do that always just makes me sick. Pastor Bill: [1:02:21] It makes me sick that we had slaves as Americans at all like the whole Spirit of founding America was freedom and then we literally did the opposite we won't we should have done, when the when the Spanish ship showed up full of slaves, we should have bought them and made them Freemen all in one motion,we should have bought them and sent the Spaniards away and said go get us you know, go buy more people that have already been put into slavery bring them back we'll buy them from you and will make them citizens that's what we should have done. Pastor Newms: [1:03:09] I will actually take it a step further because you're a nicer person than I am I wouldn't do it that way I would buy them all get them off the boat and then magically that boat would disappear. Pastor Bill: [1:03:21] But that doesn't help with everyone in Spain that's already in slavery. Pastor Newms: [1:03:27] I know the prop yeah and yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of gray area in in that whole situation. Pastor Bill: [1:03:38] The Spaniards were going to Africa, the African tribes were stealing people from other tribes and then selling them to the Spaniards, then the Spaniards were going back to Spain and putting them into the slave trade and then the people that were Commerce minded, we're buying up a bunch of slaves and then bringing them over to the colonies you know and selling them to the Americans. Pastor Newms: [1:04:10] It's just it's messed up how the whole situation human beings are terrible we live in a fallen world and human beings do terrible things other human beings every day and it's absolutely disgusting. Pastor Bill: [1:04:25] It is. Pastor Newms: [1:04:29] And I say that not as someone who's like (disingenuous) it's disgusting I can't believe anyone would ever do that because there was a time in my life where I did some pretty terrible things and so it's one of those things where it's like I feel, terrible for the terrible things I've done I was a bully at one point I was bullied I was you know I've been through lots of the different parts of the cycle, all terrible because we are terrible to each other for some, crazy reason that I've never fully understood. Pastor Bill: [1:05:05] And every year when we celebrate July 4th, and inevitably there's someone from that community that has issue with celebrating Freedom when as that freedom happened there were slaves. In this country that weren't set free at the same time I feel like that's valid and also not valid. Like yeah not everybody was free that's a problem and it was six, and it shouldn't have been taken time to fix it, it should have been fixed right away but I want us all out to celebrate that now we're free. Now but that's my personal feeling. Pastor Newms: [1:06:10] Well I mean we could definitely get into the wage slavery conversation but we will today because we're already. Pastor Bill: [1:06:19] Okay but that's not that's not. Pastor Newms: [1:06:20] I said we're not. Pastor Bill: [1:06:24] Whole class of people and injuring a whole other class of people a race of people rather. Pastor Newms: [1:06:32] Race I will agree with classes exactly what's going on. Pastor Bill: [1:06:36] Because exactly that's not a whole race of people and injuring a whole another race of people there are still problems. Pastor Newms: [1:06:41] Yes it is classism yes there are still problems. Pastor Bill: [1:06:46] I'm not going to argue against that there are still problems. [1:06:58] I'm an ally not a savior so alright so we're out of time for this episode for this night, so unless you have anything else you want to add or in clay in unless anyone else has anything they want to contribute on chat we'll go ahead and wrap this up, I cut my hand at some point this week just ever so slightly and I keep doing things that just like barely touch it and it makes it hurt. Yeah I don't know how I cut it. All right so now we're going to do the 30 second buffer because some of our streaming services require it before we hit the button otherwise it'll cut off what we're saying now so, I'll sing a little song, 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer, that's enough singing now we love you guys have a great week you say your thing now Newms. Pastor Newms: [1:08:14] You guys be safe please love you guys. Pastor Bill: [1:08:17] And until next time.

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S3EP32 - The Lord's Name in Vain

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2021 69:19

Pastor Bill: [0:07] Hello and welcome to, season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto, this is the pre-show show. If you're listening to the podcast we realized that, five minutes of music at the beginning of the podcast, the greatest thing to do this is the five minutes at the beginning of the show where we're allowing people to show up, live before we get started so people can start filtering in on the live show so we decided we would do some audio, overtop of the music or underneath the music however that is we need to adjust the levels when we go back and listen to this and see if the audio picked up well or not, so the pre-show show did you see... Pastor Newms: [1:01] I think the pre-show shows should be the question. Pastor Bill: [1:04] No Pastor Newms: [1:06] The pre-show should be the question. Pastor Bill: [1:08] That takes away from the show show the warm-up of the show show. [1:16] Did you see that prime minister Netanyahu is no longer the prime minister of Israel. Pastor Newms: [1:27] And we have known each other for how many years? Pastor Bill: 21 years Pastor Newms: Do I watch the news? do I try to stay away from it because it is. Pastor Bill: [1:38] No, yes. Pastor Newms: [1:40] And only look up things that other people have talked about because it might interest me once I've heard it's about it would you like to rephrase your question. Pastor Bill: [1:49] No yeah so Netanyahu has been the prime minister of Israel for like, I don't know as long as I can remember I don't even remember what the name of the last one was. So Biggs on Twitch says there's no video well, they're technically is the countdown video or should be the countdown video, and we're doing audio over top of it I can pull up restream live and see, Biggs says no there's no video restream just shows a well restream shows that it's pushed in a video. Pastor Newms: [2:41] Why isn't Twitch picking up the video. Pastor Bill: [2:59] YouTube is showing there's a video yeah YouTube is showing there's. Pastor Newms: [3:05] Twitch showing a video. Pastor Bill: [3:09] Roxanne's on YouTube says she sees video Biggs you might need to refresh it started. [3:21] So it seems to be working hard in our technical difficulties but yeah so the pre-show show and I guess I should have left that countdown timer out well no it's not live. Pastor Newms: [3:33] We're at 1 minute 37. Pastor Bill: [3:35] Yeah so. Pastor Newms: [3:36] Before you can see our pretty faces. Pastor Bill: [3:38] Yeah in a minute 37 less than that now will. Pastor Newms: [3:42] I noticed. Pastor Bill: [3:43] Our cameras I am wearing my Kang shirt my Star Trek Fleet Command Kang shirt, um it this is the Kang symbol that you know the Trident symbol thing it says Star Trek Fleet Command Kang and then underneath it in Klingon it says Shield or share. Pastor Newms: [4:06] And you're no longer a member of Kang but that's. Pastor Bill: [4:08] No I'm no longer a member of Kang. Pastor Newms: [4:10] And they've definitely gone a Direction. Pastor Bill: [4:13] They definitely went a Direction in the game. The Star Trek game that we play so. Pastor Newms: [4:21] We got 45 seconds. Pastor Bill: [4:23] 45 seconds no, we're not doing that. Pastor Newms: [4:27] This is what happens normally. Normally we're sitting here going to and I'm sure. Pastor Bill: [4:33] Now we're just sitting here. Pastor Newms: [4:34] Normally I'm shoving food during down my face but I ate earlier because we were watching TV. Pastor Bill: [4:40] I haven't had dinner yet my wife planned out this marinade thing and I put in some big potatoes earlier so I'm looking forward to eating at after the show tonight, okay that'll be exciting and fun so yeah I'll like. Pastor Newms: [5:04] Maybe four. Pastor Bill: [5:06] Nah I like it, it's this Mesquite marinade. Pastor Newms: [5:10] And then now we have four seconds. Pastor Bill: [5:13] Hello and welcome officially to season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian, I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by the ever awesome Pastor Newms who may not, be with us next week he's got a family reunions type thing going on he's not sure if he'll have connection where he's going to be so. Pastor Newms: [5:41] Interesting we're going to see. Pastor Bill: [5:43] If we have bad connection then we just won't have the show because I'm not just going to sit here and talk to myself for an hour, that is not how this would go so catching up on the chatter Roxanne is on YouTube we had some technical difficulties but we got that works out, and then Roxanne now says, I see weird people now that we've turned on the cameras she sees weird people and she's not wrong she's talking about, myself her husband and you we also have Zaidi on Twitch joining us we got Biggs and Roxanne. If you're listening to this on the podcast then we want to invite you to come join us on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, on YouTube, Facebook, or Twitch when we record this live and you can join the conversation in the chat. So how was your week this week Pastor Newms? Pastor Newms: [6:49] It was good lots of work my mom needs prayer, she's had a little bit of a medical thing. It's not a big deal it's just painful so that's been interesting. So I did an insane thing, I did something I never thought I would do this week, so my best friend who is kind of a jerk he. Pastor Bill: [7:20] You mean Matt right? Pastor Newms: [7:25] No I'm not sorry for you but I'm talking about you so he made me start playing this Star Trek game and the Star Trek. Pastor Bill: [7:39] That wasn't this week, that was a while back. Pastor Newms: [7:41] I'm aware, the Star Trek game it's a game you know I like games so it works, the problem is not the game the problem is the storylines surrounding the game so. [8:04] I can't remember if it was him or someone else sent me a Tick-Tock of this particular Star Trek moment from the show Discovery and I've never seen it. No real desire to. Biggs when I was little really tried his hardest to get me into Star Trek things and I just never been a big fan. Well myself and Billiam decided to start watching Discovery together and I hate to say - thoroughly enjoying it and we have been binge watched over the last like three days like 14 episodes of season one we only have one more episode of season 1 and then we're going to be moving into season 2 and so good it's kind of shocking, that I have been sitting and watching a Star Trek show because I've never really enjoyed it and this one is really really well written. Pastor Bill: [9:20] And like we talked about it this show has a different formulaic flow than the way that Star Trek series have been written the past where in the past it was very episodic, present a problem solve a problem move to a new planet present a problem-solve a planet, er, problem move to a new planet you know and then, and so with Discovery it's not like that it's this overarching you know, big cinemas cinematic movie type feel where it's not present a problem solve a problem move on presenter problem solved problem with one so it's, it's good what are you making those choices for is it because Biggs on Twitch said he was on the wrong Channel. Pastor Newms: [10:10] No it's and I agree with him it was on a different Channel it wasn't in on cable, and so it was harder to watch you had to actually subscribe to the CBS thing to watch it back in the day but it is on Hulu live I think. Pastor Bill: [10:31] Just season 1 yeah. Pastor Newms: [10:33] And so I know that face was for a different reason and I don't want to talk about it we'll just say Anthony found me. Pastor Bill: [10:43] Oh okay. Pastor Newms: [10:45] For the first time ever I didn't know that I was in Anthony's range but okay. Pastor Bill: [10:50] Am I am I shielded I don't even know. Pastor Newms: [10:53] It wasn't the station it was. Pastor Bill: [10:55] Okay he found your ship. Pastor Newms: [10:58] Yeah they were floating so it's fair but yeah dadgummit that's the. Pastor Bill: [11:07] The one where they get pushed back in time? Pastor Newms: [11:12] We're not going to give any spoilers on a broadcast that goes out to the world. Pastor Bill: [11:18] I mean can we just say yes or no. Pastor Newms: [11:24] No because especially since I haven't gotten to the point where we've moved time. Pastor Bill: [11:30] I mean the kind of move forward in time there a little bit, but nine months. Pastor Newms: [11:36] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [11:40] They did they were like we're back but we overshot. Pastor Newms: [11:41] Yep we can't we don't we don't want to see now you just give a spoiler. Pastor Bill: [11:46] Yeah that's spoiler. Pastor Newms: [11:48] Yeah that's why that's why we don't talk about it it's good. Pastor Bill: [11:50] Okay okay fine you got me has a spoiler. Pastor Newms: [11:56] It's good we can say that it is definitely not a normal Star Trek though, there is there is language there's some scenes there's there's it's there's a lot it's a lot more mainstream, I'll talk to you about it later Biggs but there's some Main. [12:24] It's definitely more mainstream more today's Star Trek but. Pastor Bill: [12:34] Yeah so in my week you know we talked about the Star Trek game they dropped a new arc part two of the Next Generation Arc which has been fun. Pastor Newms: [12:48] No it hasn't I'm still angry. Pastor Bill: [12:50] No Worf character yet, unfortunately. They released Picard and Wesley but no Worf however there is hope, we probably will be getting Worf and Riker in part 3 next month so in a little over a little over half a month away. Pastor Newms: [13:13] And if not it's. Pastor Bill: [13:17] If not they made a really interesting writing choice to phrase it the way they phrased it if we're not getting those two characters so yeah. [13:33] I realized I need a new desk in my office this one I've been you know I've been using this desk for six years, in this bedroom I got this desk 6 years ago and I used it, to work on Teen Mania stuff when they went remote you know and they were they were, trying to save money and it's wholly everybody that was left work from home and, that's when I got this and the first podcast we released I recorded sitting at this desk, that was four years ago and I've got artwork etched into the top of the desk all over and it's it it's not stable it's about to fall apart, I basically have it sandwiched between a filing cabinet and a wall at this point to keep it standing and. Pastor Newms: [14:29] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [14:31] So we've got a new desk for my office space actually two to make a L shape so I have enough space to, you know desk space but that's fun that's exciting that's happening this week this upcoming week that should come in on Wednesday so I'm happy about that, that should be awesome and then this thing got a little messed up when I redid the flooring, a couple weeks ago so I'm going to pull that down and reattach it to where it where it won't be all like this, I don't know if you can see that so. Pastor Newms: [15:10] Thinkin it's just. Pastor Bill: [15:14] So there's that so now it's time for the segment that Newms loves to hate to love, and it is Get To Know The Pastors. Pastor Newms: [15:25] And if the question is similar again I'm going to have Gerg come burn the deck. Pastor Bill: [15:33] Good thing I have another deck, it's different questions, but I have another deck. All right here we go, the question is. [15:45] Which living person do you most admire. Pastor Newms: [15:51] Okay see I'm serious shuffle the deck right now in front of us take the bottom for cards and shuffle the deck, because whatever Voodoo you did the last time was not shuffling. Now cut it in half and flip it. [16:44] One more time. [16:52] I meant shuffle it again, but that works all right there's the four. Pastor Bill: [16:54] There's the four on the bottom. Pastor Newms: [16:58] On the bottom pick a new card for the week. Pastor Bill: [17:01] Which person do you most admire living person alright you ready new card. Pastor Newms: [17:05] Sounds great new card. Pastor Bill: [17:09] What's your guilty pleasure. Pastor Newms: [17:10] My guilty pleasure that sounds great my guilty pleasure is is something we've talked about in the past I love to read, I read all kinds of different types of novels all different types of all different all different things love to read, but my guilty pleasure, is YA novels specifically vampire aesthetic why novels I have almost one of, are YA because it is what it is now I'm going to go ahead and answer for Billiam. Billiams guilty pleasure is Dr Pepper. Pastor Bill: [18:16] I was just getting ready to hold it up to the camera and be like dr. pepper. Pastor Newms: [18:18] I know, I know we actually had this discussion earlier this week that you're guilty pleasure was. Sorry to ruin your question but. Pastor Bill: [18:30] Ruined that question now I've been to the Dr. Pepper museum I've I love it I love Dr Pepper so much it's so good it is definitely my guilty pleasure my drink of choice it's fantastic, no that's not why I have no teeth in fact I don't have any teeth because I was drinking, lots and lots and lots of energy drinks when I was driving for Uber and Lyft and literally rotted my teeth out of my mouth, who knew three energy drinks a day 3-16 ounce energy drinks a day to keep from dying while driving was going to rot holes in all of my teeth? Not me, I didn't know it. Pastor Newms: [19:11] Possibly where it says do not consume more than two per day on it but. Pastor Bill: [19:18] I just assumed that I was like a weight thing like, like the bottles of Ibuprofen and say don't take more than six in it whatever okay I'm up I'm a 350-pound man I need more than the normal dose or it's just not even going to affect me. Pastor Newms: [19:34] Yeah but actually, yes but actually the reason for the Ibuprofen is it can cause issues in your digestive system and with your liver if you have more than 6, not it's actually not a dosage weight thing it's actually has a medical reason. Pastor Bill: [19:53] Biggs asks if I've ever had Dr Pepper hot well let me tell you, I like to drink my dr. pepper at room temperature whenever someone brings me one cold I thank them for loving me and showing that they love me and I let it sit there, and warm up to room temperature but hot? No. Now one of my guilty pleasure movies Blast From The Past, a drink it they look like they poured into a pot on a oven and heat it up and pour it into coffee cups and drink it like it's hot chocolate and then I just wigs me out I can't even imagine, drinking it that way. Pastor Newms: [20:31] That is that is special. Pastor Bill: [20:39] Do you have a guilty pleasure movie? Your go to that you know you're like when you see it when you're flipping through something and you see it and you're like oh I gotta turn this on it was a great movie. Pastor Newms: [20:49] Well one there is no flipping through anything anymore because I don't have any form of television. Pastor Bill: [20:54] Scrolling through. Pastor Newms: [20:56] Well I would I would opt to say it's it's the the poster behind me the only movie poster that I have in my office but, Pastor Bill: Boondock Saints? Pastor Newms: I there's a couple go to I can sit here and watch this right now movie but, none of them I feel guilty about, so oh yes yes there is there is a movie that is a guilty pleasure, and I'm not going to say what it is I'm just going to say that. Pastor Bill: [22:01] I don't know what your referencing, sorry also Chasing Amy whenever Chasing Amy is on, I gotta watch Chasing Amy. Yeah almost anything in the View Askew Universe catches my attention. Mean Girls? Pastor Newms: [22:21] Fronted me. Pastor Bill: [22:22] Yes you did, that's funny. Pastor Newms: [22:25] So I have a thing where as everyone who knows me knows I'm a little weird when it comes to things. Things have to be done a certain way, things have to be done a certain order, and we missed last year and I actually got in trouble from my 11 year old because she was like it's October 3rd and I know it's October 3rd and we didn't watch the movie you're like oh November, fourth we watch V is for Vendetta St Patrick's Day you watch, Boondock Saints I have a like those. Pastor Bill: [23:16] Calendar of films. Pastor Newms: [23:17] Yeah there are certain times of the year that things have to be watch a fifth of November sorry my bad that my yeah, she's yelling at me over twitch that it's V that's one of her favorite movies. Pastor Bill: [23:37] The event where we got the name Guy and why we call each other Guys what's up Guys. Pastor Newms: [23:44] Yep and yeah so it's it's definitely, I like movies. Pastor Bill: [23:58] Fun all right so I think we're sufficiently warmed up Pastor Newms: [24:05] I think so we're about five minutes past our normal warm up time. Pastor Bill: [24:09] That's fine, so I saw Tik-Tok, and this is we're on we're on track and so I take that and it was it was a joke and it was this guy and he was he was calling himself the Bible lawyer or something on those lines, and this guy was like I messed up I need representation I took the lord's name in vain, and the Bible lawyer was like what what did you say what did you say and he said GD you know the curse, the swearword GD, and the Bible lawyer goes wait, you didn't take the lord's name in vain I think it goes what what do you mean and they got and the Bible lawyer goes well God is his title not his name, see didn't take the lord's name in vain, you took His title in vain but not the lord's name in vain. Why do you think in the in the Ten Commandments it says have no other gods before me? It's not like they're all named God that's the title not a name and so it's kind of funny, but it's right there in that conversation that we're having. Pastor Newms: [25:29] Well and in real quick as a side note for what you just said it is not proper to ask someone in a polytheistic, religion which one when they say that to you it's not appropriate they get a little tissy. Pastor Bill: [25:48] But if they're polytheistic wouldn't it be okay to ask which one? Pastor Newms: [25:51] It definitely stops them in their tracks and they're not sure how to answer. Pastor Bill: [26:00] Because they didn't mean it that way. Pastor Newms: [26:01] Yeah and it's really really funny and then we got into a theological discussion on why his choice in his was wrong, um and then I corrected him and he said good point and but he still thinks he was right so it's fine though he was wrong, yeah. Pastor Bill: [26:24] So what we're talking about tonight is not taking the lord's name in vain this is one of The Commandments and I say one of The Commandments because you can't say, Third Commandment second commandment fourth Commandment because different groups of Christianity have them numbered differently like in Catholicism it is not the same, number commandment as it is in protestant so the first mention, written of these Commandments is in Exodus 20 verse 7, and it says in the two he says what Biggs says what on Twitch. Pastor Newms: [27:14] What what. Pastor Bill: [27:24] Okay we are in Exodus 20 verse 7. Catholic? Oh he's asking about I'd have to look it up but yeah it's just they count them different numbers, it says do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished anyone who misuses his name, now the King James says, in Exodus 20 verse 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain, and then we again we get this commandment in Deuteronomy five, 11 Deuteronomy 5, got change my King James over there too okay Deuteronomy 5:11 in the CSB, Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so it's the exact same exact text, in Exodus and Deuteronomy in the CSB 5:11 I went to chapter 11 instead of chapter 5. Pastor Newms: [28:48] I have it up if you want me to read it. Pastor Bill: [28:50] Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain. So both places it says the exact same thing but what is it talking about. [29:07] What's it talking about Newms? Pastor Newms: [29:09] Well so. [29:15] There's a couple thought processes that people have of taking the lord's name in vain, so there is the thought process of taking the lord's name in vain is like you mentioned using the title because people are like well that's just God's name is God, some people believe that, I personally do not I don't like it not because of the G but because of the D because it is, a curse of sorts you know you're cursing something you're asking the title who is a person to you, to curse something and I don't agree with that except every now and then when. [30:17] I pray the prayer of David prayer I feel the person needs it anyway beside the point the other way of using it is you know swearing an oath I swear, usually that's implied to God that blah blah blah blah blah and then the other is, using God's name to do things that we should that should not be done in God's name. Pastor Bill: [30:50] Okay let's pause and let's speak to your two points your two things they're swearing an oath. Pastor Newms: [30:57] Which ones. Pastor Bill: [31:00] And doing things in God's name it shouldn't be done okay so the first we're going to go to Matthew chapter 5. Pastor Newms: [31:07] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [31:13] And if you saw the art bump earlier than you should have known we were going to go to Matthew Chapter 5 at some point all right. [31:22] When we get to verse 33 this is Jesus teaching by the way this is all in The Sermon on the Mount this is basically the longest, sermon that's ever been given in the history of mankind, you think your pastors long-winded at your church I'm sorry he's not. The Sermon on the Mount was crazy, there's they theorize, that they didn't even actually record everything he taught on The Sermon on the Mount because it was just too much they just hit the highlights and even the highlights is like three chapters long. [32:02] So when we get to verse 33 Jesus says, again you have heard once again that's Matthew Chapter 5 starting in verse 33 again you have heard that it was said to our ancestors you must not break your oath but you must keep your Oaths to the Lord, but I tell you don't take an oath at all, either by Heaven because it is God's Throne or by Earth because it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem because it is the city of the great king, do not swear by your head because you cannot make a single hair white or black let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything more than this is from the evil one. Okay so. [32:52] ETF, and you've already... did you take care of this troll on Twitch? Pastor Newms: [32:57] No I have had my Bible open. Pastor Bill: [33:02] All right if swearing an oath on anything in Earth or Heaven comes from evil, is of the evil one then wouldn't. [33:25] I solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help... wouldn't that be breaking this commandment? Pastor Newms: [33:31] So-so. Pastor Bill: [33:36] Wouldn't swearing into office, where'd uphold the Constitution of the United States with your hand on a Bible you swearing on the Bible wouldn't this be breaking this commandment. Pastor Newms: [33:46] So well not technically. Pastor Bill: [33:51] I can't I can't after doing this study this week I'm never going to be able to swear an oath any ever they're going to subpoena me for something to give a testimony that you were like do you solemnly swear. I want to say no I can't under religious, for religious reasons I can't violate the teachings of Jesus. Pastor Newms: [34:10] Yeah no, I agree we should not do so but there is a thought process behind it that people are inaccurate the thought of you don't actually have to use the Bible. First off when you're swearing an oath you can use anything. Pastor Bill: [34:33] Yeah but it says swear on anything do not swear on endurance and you're not taking oath on anything. Pastor Newms: [34:39] Oh I know I know I'm not arguing the scripture, I'm arguing your point the fact that you don't actually in any of those situations have to swear on a Bible lots of people do because we are a Christian Nation. Pastor Bill: [34:55] In the in the story Fried Green Tomatoes the priest swears on a copy of Moby Dick before he gives his testimony so that he can lie in the courtroom. Pastor Newms: [35:12] But no an oath should not be taken it should be yes and yes and should be knowing know but it does get complicated when. Pastor Bill: [35:30] And once again we're not talking sin we really because Jesus teachings don't have anything to do with the big bad S big bad Sin. Jesus teachings have to do with if you want to live a life that is following me if you want to be Christ-like do these things. Pastor Newms: [35:50] Yeah and it does cause an issue when you have the structure of the government set up to where you have to swear an oath. Pastor Bill: [36:01] Right or you can't serve where you can't testify or you can't. Pastor Newms: [36:06] And we're supposed to Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's so on a certain stance you know we should be following. Pastor Bill: [36:13] But I don't but that's that doesn't apply because I don't belong to Caesar. Pastor Newms: [36:18] No but you're supposed to follow the rules of the nation and the authority put ahead of you as well. Pastor Bill: [36:26] Right but you can refuse you keep getting refused to swear. Pastor Newms: [36:31] But I don't think you can legally serve if you do. Pastor Bill: [36:38] No you can't which I don't, personally I'm not saying this is the official position of The Ekklesian House or The Berean Manifesto this is my own personal as a human being point of view I don't believe that Christians should be serving in political office, and involving themselves in that at all. I believe that's the secular government and Christian should be, focused on the church and Christian things mainly because of the teachings of Paul, don't submit yourself to a secular judge, don't submit yourself to a secular court, don't submit yourself to you know to these rules of the secular world, over and over and over he says that. So for me personally, from the teachings of Paul I don't believe I should be involved in that kind of thing anyway, so that's that's my personal viewpoint. Pastor Newms: [37:41] And I can understand your position, disagree, but I understand your position. Pastor Bill: [37:47] And you're welcome to disagree because we have hard Theology and we have soft Theology and this is definitely a soft. Pastor Newms: [37:54] Most of yours is soft. Pastor Bill: [37:57] Mmm wow. Pastor Newms: [37:59] Wow that was harsh right was very salty it was very salty because we're supposed to be the salt of the earth yeah. Pastor Bill: [38:03] Harsh I mean like I can taste I can tell. Pastor Newms: [38:10] So we visited a church today. Pastor Bill: [38:12] We're supposed to be the salt of the earth but Lot's wife took it a little too far. Pastor Newms: [38:18] So we went to we went to visit a church today and he was preaching about the salt of the earth and it was really funny because every time he said and he was probably in his 30s so he's probably about our age was a visiting pastor, he sit like you'd see the look on his face is like you know we're called to be salt we have you know and and sometimes our salt needs to be saltier and and you saw like certain times when he would use, salty or salty or salt you just see that and at one point he finally goes, I'm sorry I'm really struggling with just the word salt because of all the salty people and it was just it was one of those moments where you're just like, it's true like. Pastor Bill: [39:07] (Sung to the tune of Eleanor Rigby by The Beatles) All the salty people where did they all come from. Pastor Newms: [39:14] But anyway yes continue. Pastor Bill: [39:17] I don't know what we were talking about. Pastor Newms: [39:19] We were talking about your personal beliefs about the government we should fact we should never swear on anything so like it's really funny because I've taught my children not to, I swear because you know I swear to goodness I'm gonna you know you shouldn't do that. [39:39] I've actually got I've actually said I. Pastor Bill: [39:41] Wham boom straight to the Moon. Pastor Newms: [39:44] I've actually like independent like I swear to everything that I do not even like I'm going to it and I know it makes no sense but to the point where, I'll say I could have swore that such and such because the word have two different meanings, and my daughter be like you're not supposed to swear though. Pastor Bill: [40:12] Yeah I could have sworn means I was so I was so sure it was this way that I could have given testimony under perjury of law, that this. Pastor Newms: [40:27] But it's funny that you bring that up because even she's like we're not supposed to swear and I never really went there, but it is true and that is a problem when you combine the secular with the religious it's situations like that. Pastor Bill: [40:48] It absolutely is all right so that's your you know my response to that first point you brought up the second point you brought up was not, say you're going to do something in the name of the Lord that shouldn't be done in the name of the Lord. Pastor Newms: [41:10] Like the Crusades. Pastor Bill: [41:12] Like the crusades, but I have a very I have a specific biblical example and people like to trot this out and go well Jesus believes in human sacrifice, or God believes in human sacrifice that, all right so there's this guy in Judges, and I didn't look up the story because we're not going to read it from the thing it's a very sad story but I'm gonna you know we're going to cover the brief and then you'll know enough you can go look it up and read it if you want this is guy and there's a war going on and he's going out to war and he swears to the Lord, that is while he's out there he wins a victory, then when he returns the first person that comes out of his home, he will burn in a sacrifice to the Lord. Pastor Newms: [42:02] The first thing. Pastor Bill: [42:06] Different translations translated a different way but person thing either way, and when he gets home his daughter is the first thing person whatever to come out of the house and he follows through. First off, under Jewish law he shouldn't have done that because you're not supposed to you know he definitely broke this commandment there's like there's no two ways about it he broke this commandment. Pastor Newms: [42:37] Yeah he broke it in two ways. Pastor Bill: [42:41] And then he fulfilled it now it's such a weird situation because if you make an oath to the Lord and then you don't follow through we read There was consequence right Exodus 20. [43:06] Verse seven the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so he missed use the name so now he's got a choice to make, do I follow through and burn my daughter to death or do I go back on what I said, and I get punished and if you've ever read through Judges, it is just one example after another example after another example why the people of Israel were screwed up, and needed leadership that's what the books of Judges are for to show that is a people needed good leadership and were completely screwed up, so when you hear the story about well God believes in human sacrifice because this guy swore to the Lord he'd smh his daughter and then he did, that's that's been taken way out of context that's not the context of the story at all that's just the events of the story, the context is a cautionary Tale. It's a don't do this thing, that's wrong. [44:32] So the lord's name in vain people say it's swearing a certain type of swear, or you'll say Jesus when something happened use the name Jesus as an expletive you know, all right so Twitch has a question she wants to clarify Twitch - Zaidi has a question she's like to clarify on Twitch says okay so like with let your yes be yes and your no be no [45:05] Is it also mean that when you tell someone maybe you'll make it or I'll have to see, saying something like I don't know you're in the wrong. Well do you you you and it did you intend to deceive, did you lie did you intend to deceive them? Were you saying I'll have to see because you literally have to go check and make sure see if you can make it or were you actually blowing them off, if you were actually blowing them off then yeah you're in the wrong you lied you intended to deceive them, that's actually pretty clear-cut but if you actually had to check the details that's completely different what I tell my kids you know I don't want to let him my kids my kids will ask me things like tomorrow can we, XYZ and I'll look back and I'll say I don't know maybe. Pastor Newms: [46:05] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [46:06] What do you mean? I don't know what's going to happen between now and then I don't know what's gonna happen then I can't predict the future, I would like to do XYZ that would be great but I don't know let's see what happens I've you know fully intending I fully intend we're going to do this thing but I can't guarantee it I'm not the ruler of the Universe, I don't control what happens so I don't know, so there you go it's the intent did you intend to this was your intent to deceive. Pastor Newms: [46:44] And often I'll try to pull the probably not but maybe. Pastor Bill: [46:49] Yes you say that often. Pastor Newms: [46:53] It's like probably not but maybe which is is probably not like there's but you might, because I don't know the future I might be wrong in my know and I don't want to even give that and it is real it gets real bad in the workplace because I'm very much, cognizant of lying in the workplace and Billiam is heard me in meetings, often I'll be like well. Pastor Bill: [47:27] Let's clarify if there's any any phone calls that happened in your office that are Hippa related in any way shape or form I'm not allowed to be there. Pastor Newms: [47:40] No we've been in meetings together like even our meetings was it talking about my work okay I see what you mean. Pastor Bill: [47:47] But I don't want anybody to misconstrue that works with you or works around you. Pastor Newms: [47:53] No I don't deal with HIPAA patient stuff anyway so we're fine normally. [48:04] So it's definitely, yeah you definitely I will always it work people be like well can I get this next week I'll have to take that back to the team is now, do are they going to get it next week no, nine times out of ten but every now and then I go hey team what's this look like they're like 10 minutes we can do it today oh, all right cool do it take you but, I hate I try really hard to not because I've been burned so many times by sales people and other people saying oh yeah our system does that oh yeah our this does that or oh yeah that car comes with that and then you get it and you're like no it doesn't. Pastor Bill: [49:00] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [49:02] Anywho. Pastor Bill: [49:05] So she follows up on Twitch that she was always taught that you have to always give a yes or no answer and be sure of your decision on the spot like right then and there and then mean it and not change your mind, which she said frustrated her as a kid which yeah that's frustrating and and not very logical, for anyone to hold someone to especially not a child, you can say I don't know you can say I need more information you can say we'll have to see what happens I mean, as long as you know you're not lying, basically the let your yes be yes and your no be no by that Jesus is saying if you commit then commit and if you don't if you say you're not going to do something then don't do it, he's not implying that you have to commit right then and there he's saying when you do commit-commit, yes I will do that, no I will not do that yes I did do that no I did not do that. [50:20] I might not be here tomorrow they just gives this example on Twitch at first I was like what do you mean you might not be here tomorrow or not doing this tomorrow but yeah that's a good example I might not be here tomorrow that's it you know, that's true now in the in the early church, they wouldn't even say things like, I'll see you tomorrow or next week we're going to harvest that grain things like that, they went so far as to say if the Lord tarries then tomorrow I will see you, so as not to basically give an oath on something that they couldn't control, because it was it was present you know an ever-present thing in their mind you know like my yes be yes and my no be no they wouldn't commit to doing something tomorrow because what if the Lord comes back, well then so they would say if the Lord tarries. Pastor Newms: [51:32] Yeah and that continued for a very very long time and I know people who still do it, I prefer the the I'll see you next time, the side-eye that that's that's I've said that a couple times you know, see you next time looks like you hit by a bus and you know it's like what, do you plan on getting hit by a bus no I just don't want to lie to you. Pastor Bill: [52:05] I mean you can just say see you later because whether it's here or there in here or in the judgment is a good chance we're going to see each other again. Pastor Newms: [52:15] But see there's therein lies the problem good. Pastor Bill: [52:20] What's the problem there yeah yeah. Pastor Newms: [52:27] That's the that that that that one word doesn't regulate with people who are legalistic sorry. [52:38] Yeah I. Pastor Bill: [52:38] So maybe a babe maybe I'll see you later. Pastor Newms: [52:41] Zadie said I actually did have to stop saying things like that because. Pastor Bill: [52:46] Because your make it the girls cry. Pastor Newms: [52:48] I made my daughter's cry on a couple of cases. Pastor Bill: [52:50] You monster. Pastor Newms: [52:51] They be like my dad see you when you get home from work unless I die and they're like wait what what no and I'm like oh yeah that doesn't work with children. Pastor Bill: [53:01] Oh man. Pastor Newms: [53:03] I've always been a little morbid sorry like that's just happens. Pastor Bill: [53:10] That's so funny alright so did you have anything else you wanted to, did you have any more points you wanted to make in this. Pastor Newms: [53:23] No I mean I'm those are the main ones is that there's multiple ways you can take the lord's name in vain and I think another one that you know is definitely the not just the, don't say you're doing something because of God when it's not because of God. Pastor Bill: [53:43] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [53:44] That one that one that one irritates me a lot. Pastor Bill: [53:49] Another example of breaking this commandment is is claiming God did something He didn't do. Pastor Newms: [53:59] Now there are times that one gets a little fuzzier, but use. Pastor Bill: [54:11] For just not claim God did it. [54:22] Wait you're not accidentally breaking this command. Pastor Newms: [54:24] I just like the God told me to belong and you're like that. Pastor Bill: [54:34] I always say I feel like God told me to. Pastor Newms: [54:43] And but my the funny one is when it's completely off base and you're like God would, God's not going to break his own Commandments God's not going to no don't. Pastor Bill: [54:55] Cure that was. Pastor Newms: [54:56] Don't I thought the same example we're not going to go there but it was crazy God told me to shoot that man no he did not. Pastor Bill: [55:05] To shoot that man no sir no. Pastor Newms: [55:09] Anyway. Pastor Bill: [55:10] You you do not know the voice of your Shepherd this is definitely not your Shepherd. Pastor Newms: [55:16] But I mean, yeah I struggle with things like that of you know and we have we have atrocities, in the pack in the past that, were attributed to God that sadly he had nothing to do with and has time and time again, made Christianity look so much worse when individuals or organizations, have have gone that route you know God told me to make this Kool-Aid and have everyone drink it but huh you know I mean, and as I mentioned earlier like the Crusades God told us to take back Jerusalem and destroy, everyone in Kill and murder everybody and you're like, or did you just really really want to go to war because you were upset like you know. Pastor Bill: [56:31] They offended God and we have to protect him now God doesn't need you to defend him if he did he wouldn't be God. Pastor Newms: [56:40] And I agree like like Roxanne saying what you said in the you know don't attribute things to God that he had nothing to do with. Pastor Bill: [56:52] Yeah on YouTube she says she just likes it when people say God saved me from this or that and and they say it every day about something God saved me from a vicious squirrel attack, I okay. Pastor Newms: [57:11] Cuz the prop the biggest problem I have and it belittles what God actually does do for us every day, you know there's God God takes care of us God has plans God has this God has so those are important, you know got got God saved me from tripping and falling on a loose board, Maybe. Pastor Bill: [57:42] What maybe you should go back and read Psalms. Pastor Newms: [57:46] But. Pastor Bill: [57:46] Um does that that's it that's an angel deal that's not a god deal but you know. Pastor Newms: [57:52] Well and see that's why that's why I do have a little bit of an issue with with it is because you could argue God sent the angel to protection at some point God created them so because of that God did it, but that's still not God doesn't keep the. Pastor Bill: [58:10] That's akin to thank you for inventing Dr. Pepper, God. Pastor Newms: [58:17] Well that when he might have actually done that might be divine inspiration have you tasted it. Pastor Bill: [58:23] It's Ambrosia man, straight up. Pastor Newms: [58:25] I mean there are but to be fair there are times where God has given us, given divine inspiration people have thought of things that they never would have and they're like I don't know where it came from I was sitting around one day and the problem the the answer to the problem just fell into my lap when I was sitting there. Pastor Bill: [58:45] Dropped right into my brain. Pastor Newms: [58:46] And you're like okay that one that one might have been like, so there are times we're not we're not saying God doesn't save people in or or you know different things we're just saying don't attribute, things that are you know, that God didn't have any God caused that earthquake no no. Pastor Bill: [59:15] Unless God himself came down and told you he was gonna make the earthquake or took credit for it afterwards stop saying that. Pastor Newms: [59:27] But God. Pastor Bill: [59:28] That's ridiculous. [59:34] Keep that to yourself. Pastor Newms: [59:35] But. Pastor Bill: [59:41] That should be a deathbed confession kind of thing. Pastor Newms: [59:44] The aspect that we whoo. Pastor Bill: [59:48] Bellows 80, it's quiet as a reading was Zadie the book she wrote on Twitch. [1:00:16] Because weather patterns to make it easy because they T6 you know there was an instance with rain on the highway and and she prayed and and then that we would need rain and the rain came down really hard and then she's like not in me right now I'll driving 70 miles an hour down the road and the rain let up, um that just that sounds like a coincidence to me changing weather and weather patterns is, that's a that's a wide-reaching effect you know so. Pastor Newms: [1:00:51] Oh she's actually attributing it to someone saying that. Pastor Bill: [1:00:58] What do you mean. Pastor Newms: [1:00:59] She said she knows she just thought it was funny because it was like you know she was basically joking with God of whoa not right now not right now knowing that it wasn't just because she, she's not trying to actually say that God started and stopped the rain that moment it's. Pastor Bill: [1:01:20] Okay okay but for the record. Pastor Newms: [1:01:27] I read it the same way I was like I know some I know some people who have played with the rain they think and typically causes some, other issues when you start dealing with I'm asleep. Pastor Bill: [1:01:49] Yeah so it's a lot easier to tell when someone's telling a joke when tonight next when you're, talking inflection body language so it's real right over my head that this was a funny scenario not a so the other day, nothing right so is everything else. Pastor Newms: [1:02:16] No just don't don't blame or cast or use in any way when it's not, just don't just don't do it it's not hard just don't. Pastor Bill: [1:02:31] Don't be flippant, don't be flippant about it and don't be delusions of grandeur about it either stay somewhere in the middle respectful and you'll probably do all right that's that's my takeaway, yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:02:50] And hopefully I'll be here next week and closing. Pastor Bill: [1:02:53] Hopefully hopefully will be here next week because if you can't connect and then I'm not just going to sit here and talk at my camera for an hour. Pastor Newms: [1:03:02] Well I could I just don't know if I can host that's the problem, we will know beforehand. Pastor Bill: [1:03:14] Right we'll do we run tests earlier in the day and make sure that. Pastor Newms: [1:03:18] Oh no we'll know. We'll know on like Thursday night. Pastor Bill: [1:03:23] When you when you get there get into town. Pastor Newms: [1:03:24] Yeah because if I have if the connections good the connections good connections bad the connections oh bad, I know he is I know he is I know he is. Pastor Bill: [1:03:42] Okay. Pastor Newms: [1:03:43] No he is I know he is so it's fine. Pastor Bill: [1:03:46] Biggs says that'll be up to God and I'm just like that wasn't it then our wasted just the whole hour was just. Pastor Newms: [1:04:00] Oh yeah I don't even know if I'll be back we're going to Dollywood on Sunday. Pastor Bill: [1:04:06] What is Dollywood anyway I've heard that. Pastor Newms: [1:04:08] So Dolly Parton is is Dolly Parton and she is. Pastor Bill: [1:04:14] I know who Dolly Parton is. Pastor Newms: [1:04:16] She's awesome, it's one of those things I think I told the joke before that someone on Twitch said you know who's one person that if you don't like it it's a red flag and it's like Dolly Parton, who doesn't love Dolly but like if you don't like Dolly Parton there's something wrong with you like. Pastor Bill: [1:04:36] So the movie 9 to 5 Dolly Parton. Pastor Newms: [1:04:41] Based on the song. Pastor Bill: [1:04:42] When that came out and I asked the movie theater if I could have the movie poster and they gave it to me and I hung it on the wall and then my mama came home with marker and. Pastor Newms: [1:04:56] Your sweet mother yeah yeah sure. Pastor Bill: [1:05:00] Raise the neckline of her dress and I was like okay that's cool I only wanted it because I like the movie doesn't matter to me I was too young I wasn't. Pastor Newms: [1:05:10] Yeah you didn't you didn't get. Pastor Bill: [1:05:11] That mode you anyway but it's just funny thinking back you know. Pastor Newms: [1:05:16] So Dollywood is basically an amusement park it's got roller coasters but it really centralizes around music and shows so, it's it's like Six Flags if there was more shows and dinner theaters and and fewer rides. Pastor Bill: [1:05:39] So Disneyland. Pastor Newms: [1:05:42] Smaller. Pastor Bill: [1:05:46] It was basically just Six Flags with less rides and more shows that was my takeaway. Pastor Newms: [1:05:53] Never been can't speak to it but never been to Dollywood either there used to be a place. Pastor Bill: [1:06:00] Was it Disney World which ones in California World or Land and then I went to Disneyland. Pastor Newms: [1:06:07] So part of it is there used to be a place called Opryland and it was centered around the Opry which is of course it's. Pastor Bill: [1:06:18] The Grande Ole Opry. Pastor Newms: [1:06:22] A Grand Ole Opry and it was the same thing there were lots of shows there was lots of so we lost Opryland because. Pastor Bill: [1:06:32] Did it sink into a bog or something? Pastor Newms: [1:06:34] No Corporate America actually. Pastor Bill: [1:06:37] Didn't actually lose it. Pastor Newms: [1:06:40] It got turned into a mall. Pastor Bill: [1:06:44] A mall. Pastor Newms: [1:06:45] A mall yeah, same size takes as long to walk around no rides now and it's, expensive anyway I'll take you when you come in it's a nice place it's exactly like it's a Mills if that helps, so it's the Mills Corporation, so there's a there's a hotel there at the Gaylord hotel and then they bought that and destroyed it after the gate they built the Gaylord out here which are Gaylord was before your Gaylord actually but that's beside the point, so you know it's this whole thing yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:07:32] Oh yes be safe up there. Pastor Newms: [1:07:37] I say that part, no. Pastor Bill: [1:07:39] Don't take any wooden nickels the podcast comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. anywhere that you listen to podcasts and there will be a transcription, if everything works out well with the transcription that a fan for the dirtiest encryption, and then Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. we're usually live and we love to join us when we are live so if you check out, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube to your weasel playing because that we broadcast live and we'd like you to join us. Pastor Newms: [1:08:15] So to recap in case that didn't come across in case it sounds as bad as it sounded for me we love you guys stay safe and join us at 6:30 Central Standard Time on Sunday nights on any of the, platforms that we are scribe to our website is www.ekk.house go take a look and it has all of that information on there as well in case because there was some distortion when you were talking Bill. Pastor Bill: [1:08:40] Storage it was. Pastor Newms: [1:08:42] There's there's still some. Pastor Bill: [1:08:43] Why are you restating what I say. Pastor Newms: [1:08:46] There is some distortion. Pastor Bill: [1:08:48] Can you hear me as we wrap up the broadcast we have to give a 30 second buffer, second buffer 30 second buffer 30. Pastor Newms: [1:08:59] 30 second buffer no. Pastor Bill: [1:09:01] Is it in 30 seconds yet no that's not what I'm work 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer my love you guys, until next time. Pastor Newms: [1:09:12] Be safe everybody unless he gets hit by a bus. Pastor Bill: [1:09:17] Bye.

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Ep. 82 – Teen Mania

Belief It Or Not

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2021 37:49

Teen Mania looked like any other evangelical ministry aimed at saving teens for the lord by putting on youth conferences and organizing missions trips. However what was really going on was far more sinister and far more dangerous. We talk about Acquire the Fire, Extreme Camps, Global Expeditions, and the infamous Honor Academy. It's all about emotional manipulation, charging teens to work for them, lots of shame and guilt, and the torturous weekend of hell that was called ESOAL. As always we are not experts, we just google this stuff. Hosted by Trevor Poelman and Damien Doepping Support us on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/beliefitornot For more info and our references check out https://beliefitornot.wordpress.com/ Support Belief It Or Not Brought to you By: The Sonar Network

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Teen Mania, Acquire the Fire End This Year

Charisma News

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 25, 2015 2:40

After years of ministry, founder Ron Luce has shut down his ministry, including Acquire the Fire conferences. Listen now to find out why?

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Rod Parsley child of God abuser, Marcus Lamb cries, Ron Luce arrest warrant

Prophetic News

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2015 78:00

Rod Parsley does not repent for scamming people even though he has throat cancer, Marcus Lamb fake cries on his beg-a-thon-and an arrest warrant is issued for Ron Luce of Teen Mania.

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Rod Parsley child of God abuser, Marcus Lamb cries, Ron Luce arrest warrant

Prophetic News Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2015 77:37

Rod Parsley does not repent for scamming people even though he has throat cancer, Marcus Lamb fake cries on his beg-a-thon-and an arrest warrant is issued for Ron Luce of Teen Mania.

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Tough Talk Christian Radio

Tough Talk Radio Network

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2015 58:00

Tough Talk Christian Radio with Host Tony Gambone and his guest Darren Long & Cassandra Smith: A Former LA RAMS Football Player : Darren Long - Pro Player Darren Long Retires, has ACHES, Pains , Body Trauma, Wife develops Cancer, Son had ADD & ADHD Tremors/Tics w ADD & ADHD He feels “What good is money without the Health of your Loved ones He takes his $ and goes to scientists to get them to develop something to ease the Health ailments, what they didn't know is they would find a bigger resolution. Cassandra Smith has worked extensively with youth for twelve years. Her commitment to mentoring, discipleship, and promoting stories of restoration has been discovered and nurtured through several avenues. Her diversity of experience ranges from youth pastoring at her local church, to touring across the US and Canada with Teen Mania's Acquire the Fire, years of work with Youth with a Mission, and commitment to various non-profit volunteer opportunities.

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The Movement & Encouraging the Family through Wonderful Stories

Tough Talk Radio Network

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2014 58:00

Making Life Easy with Gwen Gistarb with Guests Cassandra Smith & Jill Glassco Cassandra Smith has worked extensively with youth for twelve years. Her commitment to mentoring, discipleship, and promoting stories of restoration has been discovered and nurtured through several avenues. Her diversity of experience ranges from youth pastoring at her local church, to touring across the US and Canada with Teen Mania's Acquire the Fire, years of work with Youth with a Mission, and commitment to various non-profit volunteer opportunities.Cassandra is an honor's graduate with a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from Indiana University of Pennsylvania. She recently graduated YWAM's University of the Nation's writing school & is currently pursuing a Master's in Clinical Counseling.Her most recent endeavor included Road Managing thirty-four college age interns, who formed the production crew and ministry team for Acquire the Fire conference tour ministries. http://www.letterstogodmovement.com Jill Watson Glassco is known for being an insightful and theologically sound Bible study teacher and writer for women and children from all walks of life. She and her husband, Phillip, reside in Birmingham, Alabama and are active members of Church of the Highlands. They are the parents of three married children and proud grandparents times four.The Schoolhouse, Jill's first Christian storybook for families, was released in June, 2012 and is available online at amazon.com and in numerous stores throughout the southern United States. http://www.wonderfulfamilystorybooks.blogspot.com/

The Priority of Family in Leadership

Jesus Culture Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2013 44:33

“The greatest fruit from your leadership is the people you are pouring your life into. As leaders God has called us to keep family as a priority. Leadership puts another level of pressure on you and if you’re not careful you can put all of your energy into the call of leadership and neglect your family. Wether you are single, married, have kids or don’t, this show applies to you. Hear practical ways that you can guard family in the midst of leading from Banning and the team, from Ron Luce from Teen Mania and more. We also caught up with point guard Brandon Smith at UC Berkeley for “In the Game”. This topic is critical for long-term fruitful leadership!”

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Trouble With the Opposite Sex

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 21, 2009 39:04

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For Your Church

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2008 3:29

This teen generation needs real answers to real issues they face. Acquire The Fire, along with your church's youth leader will give them what they are looking for.

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For Youth Leaders

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2008 3:05

Experience this years new interactive Acquire The Fire with your youth while networking with other youth leaders!

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For Parents

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2008 3:00

Join your teens and be a part of this years Acquire The Fire! Be part of a new parent focus at this years event.

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Here Comes Trouble

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2008 5:44

ReCreate His life. ReCreate your faith. ReCreate our world. Here Comes Trouble!

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Event Trailer

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2008 1:51

A phenomenon called Here Comes Trouble is sweeping across the nation!

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RE-CREATE 2

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 16, 2008 28:30

In this thought-provoking episode of ATFtv, Ron Luce dives into some of the issues he tackles in his new book, Re*Create. See the true impact culture has on today’s young people and what can be done to off-set that influence through eye-opening videos. You’ll also get to meet Ron’s two daughters and hear what it was like to grow up in the Luce household. Its information that is relevant and impactful to anyone helping with a teen in their life.

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RE-CREATE 1

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 9, 2008 28:30

From two hours to two generations, what are the effects when pop culture goes on the prowl? It may hit closer to home than you think. Get equipped to stand strong and recreate the culture in your home.

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The Bema Part 3

Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2008 28:30

Adam is forced to take a look into his past. He sees how his relationships and reactions affect every single person he comes into contact with. He sees how each of his actions has consequences, for better or for worse, and that every life affects many others.

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The Bema Part 4

Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2008 28:30

Adam continues to watch as his life is judged at the BEMA seat of Christ. He sees that he was set in strategic times and places to reach those around him, and the results of those interactions. Will Adam realize the impact he made in the lives of others? How will the BEMA change his life?

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Summer of Eternal Impact

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Go Now!

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2008 2:46

Go Now!

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The Darien

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 9:59

This is the story of those who sought life changing adventure. Prepare to enter "The Darien."

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Motivator: Wouldn't You Rather//Lawn

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 0:46

You could be out on the Missions Field this summer bring the life-saving message of Jesus Christ to a lost people. Or, you could be...

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Atheist Monologue

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 2:03

A glimpse into the life of the type of people you're likely to meet on a GE trip.

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GE Testimonies

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 3:37

They’re ready, are you?

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What's Your Cause?

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 3:45

What's Your Cause?

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African Monologue

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 1:38

A glimpse into the life of the type of people you're likely to meet on a GE trip.

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Group Adventures Testimonies

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 4:27

Check out these stories from youth groups and youth pastors who have made a difference in the lives of others on a GE trip.

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Brutal Bill

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 6:05

Here at Global Expeditions, we've got a very special way of enforcing the rules...

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Motivator: Wouldn't You Rather//Babysitter

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 0:45

You could be out on the Missions Field this summer bring the life-saving message of Jesus Christ to a lost people. Or, you could be...

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Buddhist Monologue

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2008 1:36

A glimpse into the life of the type of people you're likely to meet on a GE trip.

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Pleasure Island