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#162 Jim Kanter knows a thing or two about selling and marketing beer and spirits. That's because he started off driving a beer truck as a summer job. Tell me, does a summer job get any better?   From there, Kanter went on an 18-year tear at MillerCoors moving all the way up to General Manager.    Then, he went in a different direction. Kanter pivots and joins a small but growing distillery called Central Standard.    Today, Central Standard is one of the fastest-growing spirits brands in the Midwest!    ✅ How did Kanter and the team do it?  ✅ What's it like marketing a spirits brand?  ✅ How do you stand out in a crowded space?    All of these questions and more – answered here. Have a listen   Show highlights:   00:00–00:04 – Intro & Jim's early start: from beer truck summers to PR with the Milwaukee Brewers. 00:04–00:13 – 18 years at MillerCoors: navigating roles, M&A chaos, and unifying sales/marketing ops. 00:13–00:18 – Jumping into Central Standard: the startup leap and learning curve. 00:18–00:21 – What is Central Standard? Overview of the distillery and key product lineup. 00:21–00:26 – What a Chief Commercial Officer actually does in a small spirits brand. 00:26–00:30 – Big company vs. small startup: “You think you know... then the bottle caps run out.” 00:30–00:36 – Breaking into retail: the hard truth about shelf space, distributors, and awareness. 00:36–00:41 – The power of product focus: “You can't launch 30 SKUs. Pick your winners.” 00:41–00:46 – Branding that works: the origin of Central Standard's rugged Midwestern visual identity. 00:46–00:51 – Marketing consistency: “We get bored way before the customer does.” 00:51–00:55 – Spirits market overview: who's growing, who's hurting, and why brandy's having a moment. 00:55–01:03 – Canned cocktail origin story: a shuttle ride, a few beers, and a big bet with Liney's. 01:03–01:10 – Marketing strategy on a budget: event play, influencer work, scarcity as a tool. 01:10–01:14 – Cracking into events like Summerfest: strategy, speed, and solving event organizer problems. 01:14–01:18 – Jim on networking: authenticity, saying yes, and getting uncomfortable on purpose. 01:18–01:20 – Final thoughts: Central Standard's growth, airport bar launch, and what's next. Connect with Jim: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-kanter-726930b7/    Check out Central Standard here: https://thecentralstandard.com/   For God's sake, try one of these: RTD or Pour Ready Cocktails: https://thecentralstandard.com/our-spirits/ Connect with Pat at: pmcgovern@ascedia.com   Before you go, please do us a favor. Take a minute and leave us a review. That's the energy that powers this supertanker!  Thanks, you're the best! Want more marketing insights? Take a look at our full lineup. This podcast is sponsored by Ascedia. A web development and digital strategy agency helping clients win in the digital space.

If you are in the Grenada Mississippi area, come join us for a Sunlife Broadcasting Rally at the Lighthouse Church. John and Josh Rosenstern from the SBN show Insight will be ministering these meetings. The rally starts at 7pm Central Standard time Friday night December the 6th. Then Saturday morning teaching session at 10am, Saturday […] The post SBN Rally @ Lighthouse Church appeared first on Lighthouse Church | Grenada Mississippi | Preaching The Message of the Cross.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.(Also)  My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.  Special Announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SUPREME COURT DECISION:  CHURCH OF HOLY TRINITY  vs UNITED STATES;  FEB 29, 1892."THESE AND MANY OTHER MATTERS WHICH MIGHT BE NOTICED, ADD A VOLUME OF UNOFFICIAL DECLARATIONS TO THE MASS OF ORGANIC UTTERANCES THAT THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION." 143 U. S. 457:  12 S. Ct 511; 36 L. Ed  226;  Feb 29, 1892.The Supreme Court has ruled that we( USA) are a Christian Nation!!! 

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.(Also)  My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.  Special Announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SUPREME COURT DECISION:  CHURCH OF HOLY TRINITY  vs UNITED STATES;  FEB 29, 1892."THESE AND MANY OTHER MATTERS WHICH MIGHT BE NOTICED, ADD A VOLUME OF UNOFFICIAL DECLARATIONS TO THE MASS OF ORGANIC UTTERANCES THAT THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION." 143 U. S. 457:  12 S. Ct 511; 36 L. Ed  226;  Feb 29, 1892.The Supreme Court has ruled that we( USA) are a Christian Nation!!! 

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory.My 8 books on  Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Are Approx: $5 each.In each book you will find truths that are not being taught in our Christian society that you need to be aware of to help your family and friends!   Listen on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

UK presentation of A British Invasion is coming to KC! Guests: Jenny Rowe from Brighton, UK Robert Cohen   For More information please visit: https://www.broadwayworld.com/kansas-city/article/Feature-BRITISH-INVASION-2024-at-Central-Standard-Theatre-20231204 The post Arts Magazine Show: A British Invasion presented by Central Standard appeared first on KKFI.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking or other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each.Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each. Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. My books, Amazon.com/Richard-A-Hardin/e/B09J2YHCVB, Approx $5 each. Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio, 6 am Central Standard time.

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Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio 6 am Central Standard time.

Deliverance Prayer and Fast is a great way to receive your victory over sicknesses, bad habits like smoking and other matters that might be troubling you but you just can't seem to get the victory. Listen in the morning and on KLRN Radio 6 am Central Standard time.

Soooooo much fun in this episode with Jim Kanter, Chief Commercial Officer at The Central Standard Craft Distillery. Steve and Adam tap into Jim's expertise on all things Central Standard. From how the craft distillery got started to how you can enjoy the spaces at the Crafthouse like a regular. Seriously, whether you want to stop in for an Old Fashioned, host your wedding rehearsal dinner, or bring in a corporate group, Central Standard has you covered. From bourbon to pour ready cocktails, you can even stop in to grab a bottle and go! Jump into this one then head over to their amazing place at 320 E Clybourn Street where downtown meets the Third Ward. You can also check them out online at https://thecentralstandard.com. We love you, Milwaukee!!

When his Kia Boys documentary was released, Tommy G was only a month away from having to give up his dream of being a full-time YouTuber. Luckily, that video now has over 6.7 million views, and he has amassed a following of over 700k subscribers. That said, Tommy G was far from an overnight success, he was actively posting YouTube videos for years before catching his big break, and there is a lot more to Tommy G's story than the documentary that put him on the map.I initially met Tommy G when he was a door-to-door salesman and knocked on my door back in 2018. He worked in sales while posting YouTube prank videos on the side until he got fired in early 2022. Since the Kia Boys documentary, he has covered more dangerous underground stories from all around the U.S. and Mexico. So, why does Tommy G do what he does? What was his response to the Kia Boys? What's the most dangerous situation he has ever been in? What's next? Tune into this episode to find out. To celebrate the Milwaukee Uncut launch we're giving away two tickets to a Milwaukee event of your choice ($400 value), $500 worth of Central Standard gift cards, and Story Mark Studios bottles.ENTER THE GIVEAWAY HERE: https://kingsumo.com/g/yzlzmg/milwaukee-uncut-giveaway Sponsored by Central Standard Distillery: https://thecentralstandard.com/ Produced by Story Mark Studios: https://storymarkstudios.io/ Media partner - OnMilwaukee: https://onmilwaukee.com/ 

Two Marquette basketball legends, Steve Novak and Travis Diener, share their journey to Marquette, their unforgettable Final Four run with Dwayne Wade, playing under Tom Crean, their NBA careers, their impactful work with Be The Difference NIL Collective, and much more! Get ready for an engaging and informative episode packed with fan questions. Whether you're a die-hard basketball fan or just looking for an engaging and informative podcast, this is an episode you can't miss.To celebrate the Milwaukee Uncut launch we're giving away two tickets to a Milwaukee event of your choice ($400 value), $500 worth of Central Standard gift cards, and Story Mark Studios bottles. ENTER THE GIVEAWAY HERE: https://kingsumo.com/g/yzlzmg/milwaukee-uncut-giveaway Learn more about Be The Difference NIL: https://www.bethedifferencenil.org/ Sponsored by Central Standard Distillery: https://thecentralstandard.com/ Produced by Story Mark Studios: https://storymarkstudios.io/ Media partner - OnMilwaukee: https://onmilwaukee.com/ 

Mayor Cavalier Johnson, Milwaukee's first black-elected mayor, has been busy actively shaping the city since he was elected in April 2022. In this candid conversation, we delve into important topics such as the truth behind dropping crime rates in Milwaukee (though traditional media seems to hide this fact), strategies to attract people to the city, his perspective as a Democrat on the upcoming RNC, his early political setbacks, and the inspiring journey that led him to the position of Mayor. If you're looking to get to better know the Mayor and what he is doing to make change happen in Milwaukee this episode is for you! To celebrate the Milwaukee Uncut launch we're giving away two tickets to a Milwaukee event of your choice ($400 value), $500 worth of Central Standard gift cards and Story Mark Studios bottles. ENTER THE GIVEAWAY HERE: https://kingsumo.com/g/yzlzmg/milwaukee-uncut-giveaway Sponsored by Central Standard Distillery: https://thecentralstandard.com/ Produced by Story Mark Studios: https://storymarkstudios.io/ Media partner - OnMilwaukee: https://onmilwaukee.com/ 

Summary On this episode of Startup Junkies, hosts Jeff Amerine and Caleb Talley sit down with Josh Duntz and Tyler Dunbar of Metova and Central Standard Talent, respectively. With their Naval backgrounds, Josh and Tyler have a unique perspective on the business world. Throughout the episode, the crew discusses Central Standard and Metova's expertise in identifying customer needs and developing digital products that align with business goals. They highlight the importance of tailoring technology solutions to meet the specific needs of each customer, and how this approach sets Central Standard and Metova apart from other tech agencies. They also comment on artificial intelligence, exploring whether these emerging technologies pose a threat to Central Standard and Metova, and whether AI can be as effective as humans.   Show Notes (1:33) Introducing Josh and Tyler (6:08) Josh's Transition from the Military to the Civilian World (9:20) Key Takeaways from Military Service (15:42) Central Standard and Metova's Connection (21:01) Finding Talent without Paying Silicon Valley Prices (23:35) The Threat of AI (27:51) Looking at the Landscape of the Current Economy (32:52) Advice to Their Younger Selves (35:38) Tyler and Josh's Naval Background (39:23) Closing Thoughts   Links Jeff Amerine Caleb Talley Josh Duntz Tyler Dunbar Metova Central Standard Talent       Quotes “I approach leadership the same way in business now, where it's like, I don't care if you're the lowest man on the totem pole or the CEO of the company. I believe that before decisions should be made, everyone should be able to voice their opinion.” - Josh Duntz, (13:19) “Rule of thumb is we'll save you 30-50% in cost. And for somebody who's in any sort of startup, there's another critical element to this. You also don't have to give any of your company away to get really high-quality talent.” - Tyler Dunbar, (21:24) “You have a certain mindset of what outsourcing looks like, right? And typically, for most people, it's not high quality. So that's a piece that looks really different for us. We focus on hiring people long-term—custom solution building for a team just for you. And [that allows] us to really focus on high-quality technical talent that is retained over time. So rather than fill fifty really low-level positions, we really try to focus on those senior and mid-level positions that establish and create value for years and years to come.” - Tyler Dunbar, (22:34) “I think you still need humans to be effective, right? And there's a difference between being effective and being efficient. I think that AI is probably really efficient, but like Josh was talking about, how effective is it without those little human elements of nuance in between?” - Tyler Dunbar, (26:34)  

Hopefully this week's guest has already forgiven me for butchering both the pronunciation and spelling of his last name, even though I had them written in front of me.His name is Jason Buice and he's a son, a brother, a husband, a musician, a bandmate, and a heck of a nice guy.He was kind enough to drive in from LFK to record Episode #65 with me, and boy was our conversation a fascinating one.We of course talked about a few of Jason's favorite albums, and they are these:Thriller (1982), Michael JacksonU2's The Unforgettable Fire (1984)Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me (1987), The CureNirvana's Nevermind (1991)OK Computer (1997), RadioheadBut we also talked a little bit about Jason's path down the river of musicianship. For starters, you can find his solo EP, Both Sides (2019) on his bandcamp, and he's got a couple of other projects there, too. And we talked about his current project, Chowk, whom you can follow on Instagram, and I encourage you to do so as they have plans to record an album here in the coming weeks. Finally, if you're catching this is some form of real time, you can catch Chowk performing live on the radio on Sunday, May 14th on KKFI, 90.1 FM. They'll be on around 9:00 p.m. Central Standard as part of the Under the Radar program.Anyway, Jason's fantastic, and the vibe around Chowk feels like they're gonna be, too, so check him and them out, and don't forget to visit the Merch' store on the Web site. You should totally hook yourself up with a Fresh Socks t-shirt.Thanks for stopping by.copyright disclaimer: I do not own the rights to the promo or the intro/outro audio. They are clips taken from The String Cheese Incident's "Bigger Isn't Better" off of 1997's Born on the Wrong Planet (c/o SCI Fidelity Records) and "Sundown" off of Gordon Lightfoot's (R.I.P. in Peace) 1974 record of the same name (c/o Reprise Records (marketed by Rhino Entertainment Company, a Warner Music Group Company)), respectively.

SummaryOn this episode of The Bentonville Beacon, host James Bell is joined by Tyler Dunbar, President of Central Standard Talent, a technical talent and recruiting agency that specializes in helping US businesses assemble and retain high-performing software development teams. Although Central Standard Talent is based in the epicenter of the Mexican Silicon Valley, it has recently announced the opening of its US headquarters in Bentonville. Throughout the episode, James and Tyler discuss Central Standard Talent's mission and its assimilation into the Northwest Arkansas ecosystem, why it's beneficial for companies to have a presence in Bentonville and how lessons learned during Tyler's time in US Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal are helping him now as a business professional.Thanks for tuning in!Show Notes(0:52) Introduction to Tyler(2:41) About Central Standard(4:43) Current Workforce Issues(8:16) Central Standard's Partner Company, Metova(10:41) Future Evolution of Central Standard(12:33) Advantages of Having a Presence in Bentonville(17:56) Transitioning to Bentonville(21:22) #BecauseBentonville Story(26:36) Using Skills from the Navy in Business(31:47) Closing Question‍LinksJames BellBentonville Economic Development Tyler DunbarCentral Standard TalentQuotes“We're really excited to be in Bentonville and the Ledger specifically, it's a really cool space and  a great creative environment…Bentonville is an amazing place.” - Tyler Dunbar, (2:45)“People are nice, and economically speaking, it's very business friendly. You have organizations that are focused on making Bentonville and NWA as a whole a great place to land from a professional standpoint.” - Tyler Dunbar, (12:34)“More priorities should be placed on moving and figuring it out as you go because everyone is going to make mistakes. Some weeks are great and some weeks are terrible, but the reality is if you keep going you're going to win. It might not be in the timeline you wanted, it might not look like you thought it was going to look, but you'll win. And that's the goal.” - Tyler Dunbar, (16:03)“What we should be doing is spending time with those people and helping them and teaming up and partnering and collaborating with them. And success is going to happen off of those relationships because relationships are still the most valuable thing in this economy.” - Tyler Dunbar, (28:53)

Billy Brady is a son, a brother, a fiancé, a musician, and a guy -- if you're reading this at the time of release (Thursday morning, May 4, 2023) -- you might be able to catch on 90.1, KKFI FM this morning at 10:00 Central Standard. If you're catching this on Thursday or Friday, you can catch him and the Whiskey Mash Band playing live at Lemonade Park in the West Bottoms of Kansas City (tickets available here).If you didn't catch that in time, you can check out the Whiskey Mash Band's stuff here, or you can find their stuff on places like Facebook, Spotify, etc.Anyway...Billy was kind enough to stop by and talk, so we recorded Episode #64 together and chatted live music, and a little bit about a few of his favorite records, which were Jimi Hendrix's Band of Gypsys (1970), The String Cheese Incident's Carnival '99 (2000), and Phish's Farmhouse (2000).Our conversation was a hoot and there are a lot of good things on the horizon for Billy and his outfit(s), so please give him a follow, catch him live (plenty of summer dates on the books), and consider supporting live, local music whenever and wherever you can.I know I fudged something in this interview, but I'm spacing it now.Oh, well.Thanks for stopping by.copyright disclaimer: I do not own the rights to the promo or the intro/outro audio samples. I lifted them from Benevento/Russo Duo's, "Nashville" off of Play Pause Stop (2006), c/o Royal Potato Family and The String Cheese Incident's, "Bigger Isn't Better" from 1997's Born on the Wrong Planet (c/o SCI Fidelity Records), respectively.

Happy 414 Day! This week, Tarik and Ann mention a few spots with specials running Friday only, including Braise, Heirloom MKE food truck and Central Standard. Ann also shares her review of 4th Base and Belfrē, plus Pete's Pops are back!

In this episode: Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss Genesis 1:24-25 from the Christian Standard Bible, in which God commands the earth to produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, wildlife, and creatures that crawl on the ground. They discuss the Hebrew word nehfesh, which is used to denote the soul or spirit of a living creature, and how it is used in the passage to describe the living creatures. They also discuss how the words for “whales” and “birds” were translated differently in the KJV and CSB, noting that in the KJV, the word for “whales” actually refers to a monster or sea serpent. Finally, Pastor Newms jokes that some fish are given a soul, but not all. Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the creation of the world as described in the Bible in Genesis. God created livestock, reptiles, and wildlife according to their kinds. God gave them their portions and saw that it was good. They discussed how God personally made the things, rather than just commanding them to exist. They further distinguished that God saw that it was good, rather than looking within himself and recognizing it. Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the breakdown of two verses from the Bible, Genesis 1:24-25. In these verses, God creates various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declares them to be good. The authors note that the creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man, as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. They also highlight the special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. Pastor Bill then delivers the topic according to AI, where he fed the viewpoints of seven different commentaries into Chat GPT and got a synopsis on what they all cover. The pastors also talk about the Wizard of Oz reference in the episode title. Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the lack of mention of dinosaurs in the book of Genesis. Pastor Newms explains that this is likely because the text was written by Babylonians, who would not have known of dinosaurs since they were extinct by that point. Pastor Bill then points out that some theologians have narrowed the descriptions of 'great beasts' in the Bible to modern animals. Pastor Newms adds that if we look at the Bible from the standpoint that everything was created at the same time, dinosaurs would be considered creeping things or monstrous sea creatures. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that Genesis one is likely a retelling of the story with added in details from the rest of the book.   Timestamps: 0:26:18 Conversation Summary: Genesis 1:24-25 0:30:59 Conversation on the Creation of Livestock, Reptiles, and Wildlife in the Bible 0:33:56 Conversation Summary: 6th Day of Creation in the Bible 0:40:29 Conversation Between Pastors Bill and Newms on the Absence of Dinosaurs in Genesis One 0:43:15 Conversation on the Babylonian Account of Creation in Genesis One 0:48:58 Heading: The Weaponization of Scripture: A Conversation on Creationism and Apologetics 0:50:33 Conversation on Faith and Science    Transcription: [0:00:00]  Pastor Newms: Face Live. [0:00:02]  Pastor Bill: Face live. You can see my awesome shirt. This is one of the shirts my mama got me for my birthday. [0:00:09]  Pastor Newms: I see a shirt. Yes. [0:00:11]  Pastor Bill: My wife says it looks like a hotel quilt pattern on the shirt. [0:00:18]  Pastor Newms: I don't think it's the hotel quilt, but it is definitely. If it was beige, I would agree that it looks like the curtains. That says several hotels I've got, but I haven't seen a blue like that. I mean, if the material is right, it's a good shirt. Material ain't a good shirt. [0:00:34]  Pastor Bill: I like it. [0:00:36]  Pastor Newms: It's one of those things, really, to a certain degree. We're at the age where it's like, does the design truly matter? [0:00:46]  Pastor Bill: No, comfort matters. That's what matters. It's all about comfort, folks. Yeah. It's like, let nobody lie to you. [0:00:59]  Pastor Newms: But yes. So, Pastor Bill, how was your week? [0:01:04]  Pastor Bill: My week was pretty good, as you know. We took last Sunday off. We didn't record a new podcast last Sunday. Not only was it the littlest shay's birthday, like, straight up, his birthday proper, but then the Super Bowl. So we hung out, enjoyed his birthday, we watched the Super Bowl commercials. The second half of the Super Bowl was quite compelling. The Eagles were putting up a crazy defense, and it wasn't enough, but it was entertaining enough that it caught my attention. [0:01:49]  Pastor Newms: That is crazy. I did not even watch the commercials. I didn't even watch the commercials. Yeah, I straight up. Just nothing this year with it. [0:01:59]  Pastor Bill: The highlights of the commercials were there were a lot of big-name faces. [0:02:05]  Pastor Newms: Oh, really? They went that route? [0:02:07]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. And QR codes. [0:02:10]  Pastor Newms: Really? [0:02:10]  Pastor Bill: Almost every company had a QR code in the commercial. Aren't we like this now? [0:02:16]  Pastor Newms: Like five years past that? Like, where are we? [0:02:19]  Pastor Bill: And actually, they're finally catching up to the rest of us. [0:02:23]  Pastor Newms: As far as QR codes aren't QR cards already dead? [0:02:28]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, they died about ten years ago, and corporations are just now getting there to the pre-death of QR code. That's funny. [0:02:40]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, that's so funny. [0:02:45]  Pastor Bill: What else do you do? I spent a lot of time working on some social media marketing for a book publication that came out that I wrote a short story that got put in. So I spent a lot of time working on that. That's about it. Hanging out with the family, and working on marketing stuff now. [0:03:08]  Pastor Newms: I didn't understand what it has to do with strawberries. [0:03:16]  Pastor Bill: One of the stories in the anthology is The Selection of a Sacred Strawberry. So they should name the whole collection of stories after that one. Either that was their favorite or I don't know, something that's the main one, or something, I guess. [0:03:36]  Pastor Newms: I mean, I've never particularly been fond of strawberries or sweet bread, and I'm not big on festivals, but it's one. [0:03:46]  Pastor Bill: Of those things he's quoting from the short story or talking about the short story that I wrote. [0:03:54]  Pastor Newms: You don't know that. You didn't send it to me. [0:04:00]  Pastor Bill: I sent you the name. I sent you all the pertinent information. [0:04:03]  Pastor Newms: You did not send me the short story, so how would I know? [0:04:12]  Pastor Bill: I didn't send you this one. You could have gotten it on Kindle or Unlimited. This one could have ordered like this. There you go. He's got a copy. My copy comes in tomorrow. [0:04:24]  Pastor Newms: Actually, I made Groggy go through. So at the beginning of the book, there's an excerpt, a little thing about each writer. [0:04:36]  Pastor Bill: Right. [0:04:37]  Pastor Newms: The weird thing is, one of three who their name is not in the first four words, so it almost makes it look like a second paragraph about the previous person. [0:04:59]  Pastor Bill: That's funny. [0:05:02]  Pastor Newms: But. [0:05:04]  Pastor Bill: A little 53-word biography that I've crafted for use in my. [0:05:10]  Pastor Newms: Guess would be so there's 28 literary pieces. My guess would be that's the winner winner. [0:05:22]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. I would guess there were three. They said the top three would get a free copy of the book and yada, yada, yada. So I'm guessing that was number one. Number one, yeah. [0:05:33]  Pastor Newms: I would think that was the selection. [0:05:34]  Pastor Bill: Of the sacred strawberry. But yeah, I don't know. I haven't read any of the other stories yet. [0:05:41]  Pastor Newms: I didn't either. I had no desire to. I found yours, I've read yours, and now the book will go on my shelf. Because I'm not a nice person. I might go back at some point, but let's be honest, I'm not going. [0:05:58]  Pastor Bill: To you spend $17 on a book. Why is it so high? Why is the price point so high? I don't understand. [0:06:10]  Pastor Newms: That's not that high for a book. [0:06:13]  Pastor Bill: Really? [0:06:14]  Pastor Newms: Yeah. That's moderate. [0:06:18]  Pastor Bill: What's up? How was your week, Pastor Newms? [0:06:23]  Pastor Newms: So my week was pretty good. We were actually sick. [0:06:33]  Pastor Bill: I'm sorry. [0:06:34]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it was humorous because when you texted me on Sunday, I actually had laid down to take a nap, which is not unsurprising for a Sunday, because, let's be honest, I love naps, so it's not unlikely for me to take a nap. So I had laid down last weekend this week. So Thursday I worked half a day at work. Friday I took off completely, and then I was sick all the way through. I was sick from Thursday to Tuesday, which is why I didn't fight you on the because usually when you tell me you're like, we're not doing it tonight, I'm like, Why? I mean, it's just a football. I would have said. I was like, I'm going back to bed. I was like, fine with me. I don't want it tonight anyway. [0:07:41]  Pastor Bill: Cool. I'm tired. [0:07:42]  Pastor Newms: I don't feel good. [0:07:44]  Pastor Bill: Sounds good to me. [0:07:46]  Pastor Newms: And then Zaydiee had a work trip this week, so she was actually gone from Thursday till, like, an hour before. They had a team building, like, work retreat they do every year, a retreat for the people that work across the whole company. So the high school, the elementary school, both the ELCS the baby centers, the whole nine, the whole company. And so they were in Gatlinburg, actually, from Thursday until, like I said, like 2 hours ago, I got home like I was eating up until when we started. The pre-thing. The downside between Zaydiee being gone and me getting over being sick, I played no games from like the Wednesday before I was sick. And I still technically have not launched an actual video game. So it's been like a week and a half because I've been like, you hadn't streamed anything. [0:09:09]  Pastor Bill: I thought that was odd, but I. [0:09:12]  Pastor Newms: Was like now there are two games, one of which I know I couldn't stream if I got early access to it. But there is one game where if you pay extra, you can get into early access. And it appears people are streaming it already as of two days ago. Now, I don't know if that is just because they're small streamers so they've got away with it, or if it's actually not under, because sometimes when you get into an early access, there's NDAs until it releases. Other games want you to they're like, yes, please stream it. [0:09:59]  Pastor Bill: Tag us, love us. Free advertisement building up to the launch. It's good buzz, right? [0:10:13]  Pastor Newms: I'm debating with myself still. My blanket is out of whack and it's bothering me. I'm debating with myself still on whether to get it or not. And if I get it, then I will start possibly streaming that. I'm currently supposed to be streaming another game, doing a joke run through the game, but a joke run. So the game that I've been playing and that says plays a lot of is a game based on the pathfinder RPG. It's actually a campaign setting and they built a game of it called wrath of the righteous. And there's different ways of playing the game. Like, there's different paths you can take and there's different endings and there's different every decision not every decision, but lots of decisions actually can affect the world. Like, if you make the wrong decision, your party members will just leave. They're like, no, this guy is a nut. We're out. So there's lots of different paths. You can take a demon path, you can take a devil path, you can take an angel path, you can take a legend path, which means you don't want to be truly special. You're just overpowered to be overpowered. And then there's a litch path and a swarm path, which is the lich path. Of course, several of your party members get very upset because becoming a litch is kind of a no-no. And then swarm. You're literally a living swarm. And so your party members leave because you keep eating people. And so there's all these different paths and things you can do. There's a lime, you're literally a group of insects, and you literally keep eating people. Please, I'm out. But there's options. Like, you meet people and you can be nice to them, or you can be mean, or you can use one of the special paths. You can be evil, you can be good because it's an RPG, so it's based on a tabletop RPG, so there's the Good evil, Chaotic Circle. So often there's an option of attack. Like, I don't want to talk to this person. This person's already annoyed me. They look funny. Whatever the reason, they're different situations. You can just choose to attack. And so I was joking with sez that it would be funny to do a run where you just attack every time you're given the option to attack. The first time you're given the option to attack people. [0:13:07]  Pastor Bill: And see, so it's a murder hobo run. [0:13:10]  Pastor Newms: It's a murder hobo run. Right, exactly. And see, by the end of the game, who's even around? But the funny thing is, the first time you come across two members, there's two party members, and you have to choose between the two of them because one ends up being evil. The first option for both of them is attack, but they both have plot armor where you don't actually attack them, and you're like, how many people actually have the plot armor in this game where attack is not actually a valid option? And so it's kind of wanting to see that. I might do some of that tomorrow, depending on what happens, because I am technically off all day tomorrow, so maybe I'll do some of that tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know what my plans are yet tomorrow. [0:14:04]  Pastor Bill: But Gerg, his one-act stuff, they want him there from 09:00 A.m. Till TBD or tb. [0:14:16]  Pastor Newms: His what's? [0:14:16]  Pastor Bill: Not to be determined. One act. The University of Interscholastic League theater thing in Texas. [0:14:27]  Pastor Newms: Oh, that thing he called me about? [0:14:29]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, the thing he called you back. They take one act of a play or modify a play into one act, and they just put on just that one act of a show, and it gets judged. Well, he's in it, and tomorrow they're like, well, we couldn't meet on Saturday for, I don't know, director at something. And then they're like, but we don't have school Monday, so if you can come, we'd like, everyone here at 09:00 A.m. The actors can leave at 2:30. But all of you like, tech and crew guys, just stay as long as you can. [0:15:07]  Pastor Newms: Just prepare to be there. [0:15:09]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, prepare to be there. I got to get up and drop them off at nine. At least I don't have to get up at the normal time tomorrow. I can sleep in a little bit and get him there at nine. [0:15:22]  Pastor Newms: Now the question is, does the Littlest actually let you sleep or is he still wakes up the moment of day and wakes you up? [0:15:33]  Pastor Bill: So the littlest has decided that Adeline is his best friend. So he wakes up. Adeline, when he gets up, he no longer comes and wakes daddy up. However, the puppy, if no one feeds her or lets her out, she will come and start whining and scratching at my door. [0:15:54]  Pastor Newms: Okay. [0:15:55]  Pastor Bill: So she doesn't let me sleep, but the little human does. [0:15:59]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, because I know there was a long time when you, like me. The littlest human would be like, hi, good morning. [0:16:05]  Pastor Bill: Get up now. Hi. Good morning. My son's awakened. So am I. [0:16:10]  Pastor Newms: You need to go somewhere? Well, that's fun. [0:16:19]  Pastor Bill: All right, well, now it's time for getting to know the pastors. [0:16:22]  Pastor Newms: I don't want to. [0:16:23]  Pastor Bill: And it's my time to pull a card. [0:16:25]  Pastor Newms: Oh, hey, I had something to ask you about this. No, you can still pull the card. I'm not going to tell you to not pull the card. No, you're good. I unpacked all my books. Right. [0:16:40]  Pastor Bill: Okay. [0:16:43]  Pastor Newms: I have a ton of youth resources from my parents, and they're right here in front of me on bookshelves. And several of them have, like, get-to-know-people questions and lists of things. And if we get through our cards or as we get, like, if we want something in between the two sets of cards, I found several books that would be they're just like they're conversation starters. They're getting to know the business person question from my mom. And I'm like, these might be awesome. They could be horrible. I have no idea. [0:17:35]  Pastor Bill: This could be awesome or really bad. [0:17:37]  Pastor Newms: So they could be better or worse than our cards. But I have some books that we can use as we run out of cards. Just so you know, don't go buy more cards until we see how those books are. But I have them right over there on the bookshelves, and I think it could be extremely humorous because they are. [0:18:05]  Pastor Bill: If you, me, were reincarnated okay. As a famous landmark, which would it be? [0:18:17]  Pastor Newms: Okay, wait. First off, there are many questions that must be asked. [0:18:25]  Pastor Bill: How qualification questions, as if the card gives me any kind of qualifiers. [0:18:34]  Pastor Newms: Okay, so the point of reincarnation. Well, no, I guess if you did timey wimey reincarnation, you could have been the famous monument the whole time. Also, but I don't like that. It's always weird to me. To me, a reincarnation, you're born into the next thing, not born into a thing that already exists. That always messes up in my head, because then how do you have memory? I don't like that card. [0:19:07]  Pastor Bill: Okay. [0:19:11]  Pastor Newms: I don't know, man. [0:19:13]  Pastor Bill: Which celebrity chef would you most like to make you dinner? [0:19:20]  Pastor Newms: Oh, okay. So I'm going to qualify this. I have one card down. Let's see how many cards we have to get through tonight. One thing you get to know about the pastors is pastor Newms is extremely picky. Okay. So for the sake of hanging out with me and I would just like to know the person would be Gordon Ramsay. Because I think it would just be funny to meet him because he seems like the kind of guy that I would enjoy because he's kind of a person. I was going the opposite side because I was about to say and I like people like that. But you went male appendage. And I don't like those very much. But as far as cooking, I don't think his cooking style is something I would enjoy eating. I would like to hang out with this guy while he cooks a meal thing. I think he'd be cool, but I don't know if I'd like his food necessarily. So if I'm going to go with someone like whose food I would eat, it's got to be like, a paladin or Rachel Ray or someone who does the good Southern cooking. I can't remember that one really large, fat chef guy that I used to like. Because if I'm going to have a famous chef cook me something, I want it to be good. [0:21:29]  Pastor Bill: Okay. So basically, I'm doing this. This means we're simpatico. We're all on the same wavelength, right? This hand thing, the hand gesture I'm making right now. So what we're saying here is we would like to cook a meal with Gordon Ramsay. Yes. And just be like, be in the kitchen. And he's, like, yelling at you like, no, you twit. You cut that half a stick. [0:21:52]  Pastor Newms: Exactly. [0:21:52]  Pastor Bill: But when it comes to sitting down to eat a meal that someone's cooked, it'd be something like Guy Fieri, where it's like this dripping burger with just grease everywhere. But it's like that Guy meal. [0:22:05]  Pastor Newms: I don't know about Guy Fieri because he booms spice a lot. And I'm not a super boom spice guy or bam spice, whatever it was. [0:22:13]  Pastor Bill: No, that's a different guy you're thinking about. I can't remember what his name is. This is the guy with the spiky. I thought that was that goes to the diners, the drive-ins, and the. [0:22:24]  Pastor Newms: No, I know, but I thought his whole thing before that was like the bam. No, that's somebody else. And, like, says, you never trust a skinny chef. Like I'm looking for you. [0:22:38]  Pastor Bill: Thinking of Emeril Lagasse. [0:22:40]  Pastor Newms: I'm thinking of Emeril. You're right. I am. No. [0:22:44]  Pastor Bill: So. Yeah. [0:22:44]  Pastor Newms: No guy. I was thinking for some reason that this is terrible. This is how much I watch cooking shows. Obviously never for some reason, I was thinking they were the same person. [0:22:57]  Pastor Bill: No, they're not the same person. [0:23:02]  Pastor Newms: But no. [0:23:03]  Pastor Bill: The best hamburger and French fries I've ever had was from the quote-unquote Guy Fieri kitchen on the cruise ship that my wife and I went on a cruise on. [0:23:15]  Pastor Newms: So his recipes, basically, yeah. [0:23:18]  Pastor Bill: It was the most amazing burger I've ever had in my whole life. [0:23:22]  Pastor Newms: Big sense. He wants the meal cooked by the cake guy. I wasn't even thinking of going there. That one show, I think it might be in Boston, but it's like cake Boss or something. And they do cakes. [0:23:43]  Pastor Bill: He just wants the whole cake. [0:23:44]  Pastor Newms: He just wants that guy to make a full meal, just several cakes like that. [0:23:48]  Pastor Bill: Biggs is all about the cake. [0:23:50]  Pastor Newms: Six courses of cake, six horses of cake. And biggs does not argue. [0:23:56]  Pastor Bill: He just responds, yes. He's like, yeah, that's what I want. [0:24:02]  Pastor Newms: There's not like a well, you know, what I meant was no, he's just. [0:24:07]  Pastor Bill: Straight up, that's what I meant. [0:24:09]  Pastor Newms: What I want, I would need a cake, bottle of acid of medicine and sodium, whatever. The other one I have to take the NSAIDs to be able to walk the day after intaking that much sugar, but I'll give it a shot. I drank a sweet tea by accident the other day, and it was so swollen up I could barely walk. The next sugar is not my friend no more. [0:24:40]  Pastor Bill: All right, so hello and welcome season four episode nine of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. [0:24:50]  Pastor Newms: Wait, did we really forget? And I'm joined by Pastor did we forget? [0:25:00]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. [0:25:02]  Pastor Newms: Well, how am I going to edit this now? [0:25:06]  Pastor Bill: I don't know. Pick a spot and start from there. [0:25:11]  Pastor Newms: How do we forget? Welcome you all to 25 minutes in, roughly, probably. We'll see where I actually start it, but wow. Okay. [0:25:33]  Pastor Bill: All right, so we're in our series in Genesis, and we're getting really close to the end of chapter one, just real close. So we're in chapter one, verses 24 and 25. And then next week we'll finish out chapter one, and then the week after that, we'll do a recap, basically, of the whole first chapter before we then go into chapter two. [0:26:00]  Pastor Newms: But did you forget to post something again on Spotify? [0:26:07]  Pastor Bill: I don't know. Spotify should be automatic. [0:26:12]  Pastor Newms: I was just asking because they said it, but it might be because we didn't do it last week. [0:26:18]  Pastor Bill: It might be. Okay, so Genesis, chapter one, verses 24 and 25. 24 says, and this is from the CSB, the Christian Standard Bible. Then God said, let the earth produce living creatures according to their kinds, livestock creatures that crawl, and the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so verse 25. So God made the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that crawl on the ground according to their kinds, and God saw that it was good. All right, so we're at a point in chapter one, if you've been listening and following along up to this point, that none of the words here should be that surprising. We've got God is that H430, which is the plural gods, and then said is actually more commanded like we've been seeing over and over again. Earth is to be firm, and then it says to go out, so to produce. But it's that act of spreading out. You produce and you spread out, right? You fill up the land. It's not just sit in one spot and make copies of yourself. It's spread living creatures is living flesh there. But then it's also breathing creatures. So they live and they breathe. And this is a neat counterpoint to what we've seen up to this point, because with the whales and the birds and all of that, they didn't actually say breathing creatures. They didn't use this term nehfesh H5315. It's the same kind of idea of what we were talking about, the soul or the spirit, the certain something that runs the psyche of a person, the personality, that kind of thing. They didn't use that word for whales and fish and birds. Not that they don't have personalities and they don't think it's just that I don't know. Either the author didn't think they did, or yeah, they did. I don't know. Did they use nehfesh? [0:28:49]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, in 21. [0:28:51]  Pastor Bill: I missed it in my notes. Well, it does, doesn't it? [0:29:01]  Pastor Newms: For birds, every living, it says an active mass. But for sea creatures, where it says whales know, but creature, it does. So it actually denotes the difference between large sea creatures and living creature that moves and swarms in the water. Which is interesting, because now, looking at whales and I missed this last time. So it's whales in the KJV, it's large sea creatures in the CSB. It actually means, which I don't think we talked about this. Yeah, it means a Kraken. It's a monstrance, a monster, a sea serpent, a jackal, a dragon. [0:30:03]  Pastor Bill: It's the same word they translate as Leviathan in Job. [0:30:07]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's a monster. It isn't just anyway, which, to be. [0:30:17]  Pastor Bill: Honest, early seafaring peoples that came across a whale, they would be like, what is that monstrous thing? [0:30:28]  Pastor Newms: And then birds, they don't use the same thing either. Birds, they use fowl. For some, they do. So you miss it in one spot. [0:30:41]  Pastor Bill: Not birds miss it in one spot. Some fish have a soul, but fish do. [0:30:48]  Pastor Newms: Some fish do, it appears, but not either. Languages are weird. All right, continue. Sorry, that threw me off. [0:30:59]  Pastor Bill: Livestock, which is H929 behemoth, which is a dumb beast. So cattle, any cattle, dumb beast that can include camels, cows, oxen, bison. You get the point. Then it talks about reptiles, and then it says, and wildlife. The wildlife there is basically fauna. Biggs Said no spiders, yet. Wildlife would cover all fauna. So that would be spiders, scorpions, everything that hasn't been covered yet that exists. That's where it came from, right there. That's when it was created. Okay? And then we get to verse 25, and it's still plural for God, the gods. And then it's awsaw ayth. Now, remember we've talked about ayth it means to personally do something, right? So it says God made, well, God personally made these things. He personally made the wildlife, the livestock, the creatures. He personally made those. It wasn't like when he just commanded something to exist. He actually commanded that it needed to exist, and then he personally made it and then gave them their portions, it says or when they translate that out, we say according to their kind. So God had this idea that, okay, you have this domain and you have this little domain, and you need to replenish and spread out there. You need to be fruitful. You need to multiply in your little area amongst your own little kind. Right? And so God saw that it was good, right? So we have to differentiate that. Once again, it is not God - like when he saw the light looking within himself and recognize it and going, oh, that's good. No, this is just God looking at it and saying, yeah, that's a good thing. That's good. Right? [0:33:30]  Pastor Newms: Because it is different. [0:33:32]  Pastor Bill: It's different. It's a different thing. In English, we say it's the same thing. We say the same way, it means the same thing. But then when we get to the original language, there it's a different thing. It's something different. All right, do you have anything else you want to say about the word-to-word breakdown there? [0:33:56]  Pastor Newms: No, not really. Not at that point. It's pretty self-explanatory. I mean, the words are the words. [0:34:14]  Pastor Bill: It's not rocket science. [0:34:15]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, these ones aren't super deep like some of it. These ones are kind of yeah. [0:34:25]  Pastor Bill: Basically what we're doing at this point is the author is just trying to get through everything that was created before. Where did my camera go? Okay. [0:34:35]  Pastor Newms: Nowhere. Don't worry about it. Where about yourself? [0:34:39]  Pastor Bill: I am worried about myself. That's my camera. [0:34:43]  Pastor Newms: If anything becomes full screen on that monitor, it makes you go away. [0:34:53]  Pastor Bill: At this point, the author is just trying to get through the rest of creation and has toned down the imagery and toned down all the background stuff because they're wanting to get to the humans. They're wanting to get to the actual point of why they're telling this story. So in the beginning, they were very much, this is the important stuff, this is the deep stuff. And then as the chapter progresses, they're like, okay, let's get back to the important stuff, but we got to fly off all these things to get there, right? All right, so now it's time for our this is only the second time we've done this. It's the topic according to AI. [0:35:44]  Pastor Newms: I was really hoping you were going to just leave this alone. [0:35:49]  Pastor Bill: Where I took all seven commentaries that I read and fed their viewpoints on these two verses into Chat GPT and had it spit back a synopsis on what they all cover. All right, are you ready? [0:36:08]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, if I'm ready. [0:36:10]  Pastor Bill: Okay, here we go. The 6th day of creation in the Bible is a significant event in the creation story as it highlights the preparation of the Earth with the arrival of humans. According to the Bible, God created various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declared them to be good. These animals were divided into three classes and made after their kind, each having its own unique species. The creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. The authors note that the creation of the animals demonstrates the benevolent purpose of God's work. The incompleteness of the earth with just lower creatures highlights the spiritual greatness of humans, despite their inferior physical qualities. Compared to the animal races, humans, as the climax of the earth's creation, are able to recognize the order and exert control over all other creatures, making them godlike and the King of the Earth. In contrast to the creation of the animals, the creation of humans is described as the masterwork and the end of all that has been done. According to the Bible, man's body was taken from the Earth, but his soul was from heaven, while the body and soul of beasts are wholly from the Earth. This distinction highlights the special relationship that animals have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. In conclusion, the 6th Day of Creation in the Bible emphasizes the important role that the creation of animals played in the preparation of the Earth for the arrival of humans. It also highlights the unique and special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. So there you go. There's the summary of the topic according to Chat GPT, based on the commentary entries from the seven different commentaries that I study as part of my preparation. Interestingly enough, we didn't have a dissenting opinion this week. The sermon Bible didn't go all evolutionary on us this time, which I thought was interesting. [0:38:46]  Pastor Newms: What I find interesting is the fact that we didn't actually talk about the humans. [0:38:56]  Pastor Bill: But you included them in 24 and 25 don't. Well, the commentaries for verses 24 and 25 talk about it. So that's where it got that from. [0:39:12]  Pastor Newms: I was like, that's odd. [0:39:15]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, I thought it was odd too. Says he can fix something for us if we like, but I don't know what. [0:39:24]  Pastor Newms: Don't worry about it. He's just being Sez, okay. [0:39:33]  Pastor Bill: All right. So that's verses 24 and 25, of Genesis one, where God makes all of those other creatures. The name of that episode was what? What did we name that? [0:40:02]  Pastor Newms: I don't remember. Let's go back to the Weekly. [0:40:08]  Pastor Bill: Livestock, Reptiles, And Fauna. Oh, my. Of course, I had to throw the omi. [0:40:12]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, I didn't understand the oh, my. I thought that was strange. [0:40:16]  Pastor Bill: Lions and tigers and bears. Oh, my. [0:40:22]  Pastor Newms: Still thought it was strange. [0:40:24]  Pastor Bill: It's a Wizard of OZ reference. Come on, man. [0:40:29]  Pastor Newms: Strange? [0:40:30]  Pastor Bill: Why is that strange? [0:40:32]  Pastor Newms: It's strange. [0:40:34]  Pastor Bill: You can say it's strange if you want to. Oh, I see. Says he can offer a dissenting opinion. Okay, so I have a question. There's no mention of dinosaurs in Genesis one. Why is that Pastor Newms? [0:41:00]  Pastor Newms: Well, as you mentioned, genesis one comes from the story as written by Babylonians. [0:41:09]  Pastor Bill: Correct. [0:41:11]  Pastor Newms: And. By that point, dinosaurs weren't walking around, right? [0:41:19]  Pastor Bill: No mention of dinosaurs because this is a text written by humans, right? [0:41:25]  Pastor Newms: In Job, there is a mention of a leviathan. It is the same word usage as sea creature that is used in Genesis. [0:41:38]  Pastor Bill: Technically, a unicorn also talks about a great beast with huge legs whose neck reaches to the sky. But modern theologians have narrowed those down to modern animals that we still have anyway. [0:41:59]  Pastor Newms: The other aspect is the fact that there's a couple of different aspects you could look at as far as dinosaurs go in the Bible. So there's the aspect of one, if we're looking at it from a standpoint of everything was created at the same time in the same way, in the exact same the way that most modern churches teach it. Dinosaurs would then be kept under creeping thing and sea ones would be under the monstrous Sea Creatures so they wouldn't spell them out any differently than any other form of lizard and or bird. They're just bigger. If you look at it from a standpoint of it's written by especially Genesis one is a retelling of the story based on added in later from what most of the rest of Genesis was written. It's the Babylonian. So you'd have to go back and ask them. [0:43:15]  Pastor Bill: I think the main real answer I'm trying to get at is this isn't dictated by God. This isn't God saying in the beginning, I and then I and then I this is mankind going, well, we believe that this is how it happened, right? And we're going, oh yeah, okay, I faith that and believe that, right? But this isn't God's account of creation. This is the Babylonian account of creation as adapted and edited by the culture of the Jewish people. So is it exhaustive? No. Is it scientific? No. Is it 100% accurate? Not any more than me trying to write a book about the Civil War. Yeah, I wasn't there, I didn't see it. I can recount the stories that have. [0:44:32]  Pastor Newms: Been told to me, right, and that's often, especially when you deal with the text that is not necessarily for religious study. These are stories that have been handed down and handed down and handed down and they were written down. Do I think they are mostly accurate to a certain degree, yeah. I think the generalized aspects are. I think when we look at the differences between Genesis One and Genesis Two, it gets a little funny, but we're not necessarily looking at that yet. That's not exactly what you're looking for at the moment. [0:45:29]  Pastor Bill: But at this point we're taking the text scripture by scripture and trying to let it stand on its own and build upon itself as if we haven't really seen what's coming yet. We don't know what's going to be said now for the most part. So we've grabbed on to some statements and gone, well, it seems like it's saying this not necessarily believing that. It means that even because we've read ahead in the book where they clarify certain things. Right, but that's all part of the process of learning and getting to the heart of what's there. But one of the things that really bugs me is this whole we get these arguments where people are like, no, it was this way, and other people were like, it couldn't have been that way. That's ridiculous. And they're arguing back and forth as if Genesis one was written from a first person point of view perspective by someone who was there. But it's not. It's a game of telephone. It's been repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated. What it is is a very good, firm-standing building block for the beginning of a religious viewpoint on the world and a religious study of God. It is not intended to be what's the word? A discourse on the actual steps of creation. That's not what it is. It's not intended to be that way. It can't be used that way. But people use it that way and they argue it that way. And I'm like, you choose by faith to believe it is that. And it's a very good thing to build upon in your faith and in your religious beliefs. But to then take it out of the Bible and try to argue it in a secular standing and go, well, no, this is an actual account of how things happened. The Bible doesn't even make that claim. There's the one time where Jesus says he mentions the seven days of creation. Right. And I didn't look it up ahead of this time because I didn't think about the fact that I was going to be quoting it. But even then, it's in the middle of a sermon where he's specifically talking to a religious group, and so it's not even used as a secular talking point at that point. I don't know, it just frustrates me that the Bible is intended for certain things, and to take it out of that context feels like demeaning. And undervaluing the text itself yeah, we. [0:48:58]  Pastor Newms: Have the New Testament that talks about all scripture is God breathed for the uses of teaching, preaching religious aspects, doesn't say to dictate historical documents, doesn't say. [0:49:20]  Pastor Bill: The word apologetics isn't listed in that list. And arguing with non-believers isn't in that list either. [0:49:29]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's definitely an interesting thing. When we look at how some people it's like the weaponization of certain areas of scripture. It doesn't make sense. There's no reason we should be weaponizing Scripture. [0:49:54]  Pastor Bill: So when my child asks me, is this how it happened? Is this how creation happened? What's my response? My response is, as far as our religious beliefs are concerned, this is the important things that happened in that reference. This is the list of the important things that happened in reference to your religion. My religion. That's my answer. [0:50:33]  Pastor Newms: How I usually would take it is the aspect of this is what is believed to the way it believed is. [0:50:43]  Pastor Bill: The key word there. Yeah. [0:50:47]  Pastor Newms: Is it perfect? No, because no one was there. We're basing it off the knowledge of having faith in our belief system. It's not complete. [0:51:04]  Pastor Bill: I get the same amount of frustrated and secular conversations when people will say, no, we know exactly this is how it happened. We know exactly that the Earth is billions of years, this many billions of years old, and that evolution happened exactly like this. It frustrates me there, too, because I'm like you. Don't you believe it based off this evidence and this evidence and this evidence? But you weren't there. No one was. You're making an educated guess and choosing to believe it. [0:51:40]  Pastor Newms: I mean, everything takes a certain amount of faith. It's just how honest is. [0:51:48]  Pastor Bill: An honest scientist will say, we've come to a pretty trustworthy hypothesis that this is what happened. And on that point I can go, Cool, tell me more about it. Because we're being honest, but on both sides, secular and religious, we need to be emphasizing more on the this is my belief, and less on making things into scientific fact that just aren't. Genesis one is not scientific fact. The Big Bang is not necessarily scientific fact. I know we can reproduce certain things that we theorize the Big Bang was like in a much smaller form in the hadron collider, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's actually what happened. It just means it is a plausible option for what happened. The fact that it can be recreated. [0:53:16]  Pastor Newms: This is close to what science believes because it's what makes logical sense based on our knowledge sense. [0:53:30]  Pastor Bill: All right, well, that's all we have for tonight. The Berean Manifesto is a podcast that comes out once a week, more or less. Sometimes we take a break, but we try to come out every Wednesday night at 07:00 P.M. Central Standard time. 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We welcome questions or concerns or dissent. We keep it clean, we keep it respectful, and we're not afraid to block people who are unwilling to be respectful. So keeping that a month. All right, so, Pastor News, if you don't have anything else for tonight, I'm going to say we love you guys and we hope you have a great week. [0:55:22]  Pastor Newms: Be safe out there. [0:55:25]  Pastor Bill: And until next time.

Pastor Bill: [0:02] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 79 of the broom Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by Pastor newms, how are you Pastor newms Still Waters. Pastor Newms: [0:20] What. [0:27] The last time I shaved yes. So let's be clear I am not bald I am bald ding my hair is all up there I have to shave it I won't say all. Pastor Bill: [0:43] So what happened is newms is a very intense person and at some point is hair went we are done holding on to this hair and just started dropping it. Pastor Newms: [0:55] No it decided to just hang out just it just came off I have more hair on my chin. Pastor Bill: [1:01] Hudson holding. Pastor Newms: [1:13] No when would almost why would almost be for Pony sir. Pastor Bill: [1:19] I don't know all right so how was your week. Pastor Newms: [1:23] Not till we figure out what you're talking about with ponies. Pastor Bill: [1:37] Your weakest ponies. Pastor Newms: [1:38] Now my week was good I marked a lot off of my board this week which is always good you guys can't see my board except for yeah little tiny corner right, and sometimes if I move the camera just so you can see the little man that's drawn right here but you can't see him tonight so sorry I did take down some. Pastor Bill: [1:57] No man for you. Pastor Newms: [1:58] Some artwork my kids artwork that was here forever and put up a little Sunday Monday I can't ever I don't understand Direction Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday board. Pastor Bill: [2:10] I know you don't you're the Navigator want to play games. Pastor Newms: [2:14] So I can wipe my meeting times so that way the family when they comes into my office they're like oh meeting, and so my wife knows when my meetings are and so yeah my week was pretty good though work was good. Rain who occasionally joins us my daughter graduates 6th grade tomorrow so if you go to her graduation so that's going to be interesting but. Just busy how was your. Pastor Bill: [3:02] My week was all right I got a new keyboard. Pastor Newms: [3:05] Actually there's no more ch-ch-ch. Pastor Bill: [3:08] There's no words to because I got red switches instead of blue or brown and so there's not a click halfway down it's just a spring-loaded switch with no, um response halfway on the push there is a slight when you let go of the key where the spring is going back into place you can hear the spring going back into place, um probably most people wouldn't be able to hear it but I can hear it every time I let go of a key I can hear the spring going back into place, which is fine it's not that big of a deal yeah so I got my new keyboard and it actually comes apart into two pieces. Pastor Newms: [3:53] Its ergonomic. Pastor Bill: [3:55] Its ergonomic but then it also comes apart. Pastor Newms: [3:58] Ergonomically. Pastor Bill: [3:59] Ergonomically so that for you know if you've got a big belly and you need more ergonomically space you then you can have more ergonomical space. Pastor Newms: [4:09] Actually it has nothing to do with your belly and everything to do with where your shoulders actually, because people who have different shoulder sets you know your hands are naturally more, when you're typing then people who are slender shoulders so it's actually the broad identity of your shoulders not necessarily your belly. Pastor Bill: [4:34] But using a traditional keyboard I was having to tuck my arms into my belly, to reach the keys to type and now with the ergonomic keyboard I slightly have to pull in my belly unless I separate the keyboard pieces and then I can just rest my arms naturally. Pastor Newms: [4:49] Because because of how my flaps are I don't know what to call you know. Pastor Bill: [4:56] Dude little earlier let's do this. Pastor Newms: [4:59] I actually have to I have to do the same thing with one of my arms and pinch my body to type traditionally but I've done it for so many years it's weird I have my work keyboard is more, ergonomic and it's everything is at an angle, I used to have one that had like the full split in the middle and was actually like this and it's the most comfortable thing welcome Sadie. Pastor Bill: [5:37] Daddy's here now on Twitch. Pastor Newms: [5:39] So yeah. Pastor Bill: [5:42] Alright so here's this week shirt we've got how many Sunday's do we have left before Pride just. Pastor Newms: [5:49] One. Pastor Bill: [5:52] Now we have two more sadness. Pastor Newms: [5:55] To marchioness yeah too. Pastor Bill: [5:56] 20 second then the 29th, and so two more Sunday's this is this week shirt it says known in the horizontal and then loved in the vertical and this making the shape of a cross known and loot. Pastor Newms: [6:10] Phoenix says she hates it. Pastor Bill: [6:14] Not my favorite so far that's fine. Pastor Newms: [6:17] She says she says you look like garbage. Pastor Bill: [6:19] She didn't say that she just said not her favorite. It takes different styles for different people so I'm a different styles of shirts so anyway this is this week shirt, and we will be at Pride on the 4th of June so if you're coming to Dallas Pride come and see us if you're not coming to Dallas Pride then, pray that God would give us favor and that the people that need to know God loves them would be there too much great it's a great shirt bigs, it's a gray shirt. But they would be there and we could, minister to them hug them love them let them know that not all Christians are. [7:15] Probably unintentionally hopefully unintentionally hateful but that you know there is love God is love and we love them steak, all right so now it's time for getting another pastors and I have. Pastor Newms: [7:34] Got a new deck. Pastor Bill: [7:35] A new deck of a second edition interviewed. Pastor Newms: [7:40] I have to agree with that red as the background would be would be pretty would be pretty good. Pastor Bill: [7:48] I think they shirts come in I got like pink and. A bluish color this gray color I can't remember what L anyway all right there we go if you had a personal mascot, what would it be. [8:26] I would imagine it would be something that you relate to pick up mascot based off of who you are not who you want to be. Pastor Newms: [8:36] Yes I will agree with Biggs he is the Grande Osa so. Pastor Bill: [8:41] Grande Ossa the big bar. Pastor Newms: [8:44] Used to Big Bear the big bar. Pastor Bill: [8:48] Oh so Grand a month yeah also is Spanish for Bear anyway. Pastor Newms: [8:58] Grande Grande de I just him saying it wrong it's the right word I just don't even speak English right. Pastor Bill: [9:05] Anywhere expert don't sprechen to nothing. Pastor Newms: [9:08] I love I love, somewhat what time said something to me about you don't do well pronouncing words that aren't English look at the person who's like if you ever heard me speak normally like I don't pronounce English well homie like. Pastor Bill: [9:24] I don't even do English welcome home. Pastor Newms: [9:26] I don't do that well. Pastor Bill: [9:29] But you're my first language. Pastor Newms: [9:31] Yeah I have I have mad respect for anyone who speaks multiple languages because I can't speak one correctly. Pastor Bill: [9:47] An animal mascot. Pastor Newms: [9:49] So I would have to say if we're picking if we're picking an animal based on what we would want to be and something that would kind of shows are. I won't say core beliefs but our thought processes and things I would have to say a dragon just because I've always, I felt very connected to dragons and you know typically, their ideals for most Mythos is not all but most lineup pretty closely with mine but what do you think. Pastor Bill: [10:40] I'm I think my mascots an armadillo. Pastor Newms: [10:43] Armadillo can you explain why. Pastor Bill: [10:49] Um I'm pretty guarded as far as letting people in it takes a lot of proving before, let you in at just like an armadillo but then once you've proven yourself I'm pretty sweet and loyal, and kind and then I got I can't before she was with my nails and and I can be if I have to be not have to be but if I'm pushed too hard I can you know open up a can of, leprosy on your butt. Pastor Newms: [11:21] I I have to agree with with big. Pastor Bill: [11:25] You want to see me roll up in a ball. Pastor Newms: [11:27] See you roll up in a ball because what you just explained without the rolling up in a ball you as a possum. Pastor Bill: [11:38] Possums don't carry leprosy. Pastor Newms: [11:41] Opossums carry everything. Pastor Bill: [11:43] And they're not sweet possums are not sweet. Pastor Newms: [11:45] Yes they are they can be very good boys. Pastor Bill: [11:47] Even when you get to be friendly with them they're still like. Pastor Newms: [11:52] So is a cat have you met and younger. Pastor Bill: [11:57] I didn't choose a cat. Pastor Newms: [11:59] I'm just saying like saying you're mean so I'm. Pastor Bill: [12:06] Honey why am I mean. Pastor Newms: [12:09] You mean I would like to see you roll up in a ball though. Pastor Bill: [12:13] Okay once you open them. Pastor Newms: [12:24] Click the internet's new thing it's not do a flip it's roll up in a ball. Pastor Bill: [12:27] It's roll up in a ball. Do the ball roll over the ball I'll see you ball. Pastor Newms: [12:32] Do the ball do a ball thing. Pastor Bill: [12:35] Do the ball fine I'm sorry the what the what what what are we what what is this trend what are we doing. Pastor Newms: [12:42] We're going to need some clarification on this. Pastor Bill: [12:44] Oh you know we're different we're dipping things in soy sauce. Pastor Newms: [12:47] No we are not no we are not I did not participate in that and we'll probably never participate in that. Pastor Bill: [12:57] Okay so tonight's episode is called. [13:05] Bad Brains on YouTube says Ball but don't cry while you're there. Pastor Newms: [13:10] Let's see I could take this two ways I could take this the way of balling is crying, funny punny way that y'all live your lives or I could take it as. Pastor Bill: [13:25] We are pretty puntastic family. Pastor Newms: [13:27] She could completely see you balled up and crying so I'm not sure how to take what she said but I'm going to I'm going to assume it was the puntastic Miss of just how you guys breathe. It's something. Pastor Bill: [13:49] All right so tonight's episode is called still and so let's start in 325 ad. And newms you go ahead and tell the story from 325 ad. Pastor Newms: [14:06] 325 ad let me think what could have happened in 325 ad um I think there was a council, so so it's funny for clarity for everyone who is listening that might not know this is my favorite story, probably from, all of church history this is one of my favorite stories and, Pastor Bill today is like he sent me his notes and he's like this is what we're talking about, by the way do you know what this term means and I was like now I was about to have to Google it so go ahead and he was like well it was. Pastor Bill: [14:56] Cool the bishop of Egypt they don't necessarily. Pastor Newms: [14:59] The bishop of Egypt he he wasn't necessary yeah true sorry a bishop in Egypt had a belief, that Jesus was not God, would you like to tell the specific of what the belief States and then I'll tell the story around it. Pastor Bill: [15:21] Right so Airy arianism teaches that, Jesus is not was not never was never will be God that he was the first of God's creations, and that he served the purpose of coming to Earth, to teach us how to be right with God and all things were created through Jesus and that Jesus did ascended to the right hand of the father, but just a little lower than God and this is what arianism teach us. Pastor Newms: [16:03] If for those of you for those of you out there that have listened to the podcast for a long time you already know where this is going, you've heard this story but it's a great story and I begged to get to tell it again even though we've told it so at this Council, where all the Bishops had come together to make decisions on Church leadership like they were doing in those times. Pastor Bill: [16:29] In a place called niacin. Pastor Newms: [16:30] Nicaea this is the same area the same type of council that decided which books of the Bible, make up the Bible what you know different things like this so they were discussing and one of the things that got brought up was this whole thing about Jesus not being God, and there was. Pastor Bill: [16:50] The specific topic was the trinity. Pastor Newms: [16:52] The trinity, and this particular Bishop brought up well Jesus isn't here's the reason blah blah blah and got really kind of, loud and heated about it and some people viewed it as disrespectful one of the people who viewed it. Pastor Bill: [17:12] Not disrespectful to the discourse. Pastor Newms: [17:15] No no this is for disrespectful to God. Pastor Bill: [17:17] To Jesus. Pastor Newms: [17:19] So to be clear at the Council of nicaea the emperor was there and any physical violence in front of the emperor, what's the death sentence but knowing this a gentleman named Nicholas, who is better known as Santa Claus. Pastor Bill: [17:39] He was the bishop of Myra. Pastor Newms: [17:42] So st. Nicholas walks across the room. Pastor Bill: [17:46] Not a thing at this point. Pastor Newms: [17:47] Not a saying at this point right but the person we now know as a saint. Pastor Bill: [17:51] Because of the miracle that happened. Pastor Newms: [17:53] Because yeah because the the supposed Miracle walked across the room and, smacked him so hard in the mouth that knocked him over knocked him right out of his chair, and and that's my Santa Claus after this point because of creating violence in front of the emperor he was of course arrested, which I don't know the validity that's why I'm not going to call it a miracle but supposedly when they changed his clothes to put him into prison the guards the next morning came up and he was wearing a whole new set of white clothes and, they were like who gave that to you and and it's like well I'll give you a hint um. Pastor Bill: [18:49] They were like we're here to take you to the Executioner except that's not what you were wearing on me lock the cell. Pastor Newms: [18:56] So how did you get those clothes oh well I can't remember was it Mary or Jesus that he said visited him. Pastor Bill: [19:05] I don't. Pastor Newms: [19:06] I don't remember off the story I'm sorry but he had a visitation, and the person gave him clothes and so because of that the emperor was like well we're not killing him today and pardoned him and that is also how you know in order to become a saint in the Catholic Church you must have, miracles must happen to you from you around you excetera Etc and so because of that event that is the miracle that, was attached to him that allowed him to become Saint Nicholas that we know. Pastor Bill: [19:41] After he died. Pastor Newms: [19:42] After he died and my Santa Claus so that's my. Pastor Bill: [19:48] Taken away from him hundreds of years later because of said the Santa Claus lore and then was restored later back to him because that stupid. Pastor Newms: [20:00] It's not his fault yep. But anyway so the reason that we're saying still is because, I'm assuming this is why we're saying it because I didn't talk about to the about this part the problem is is we are still to this day dealing with people who believe, that Jesus was just an angel or just a prophet or etc etc. Pastor Bill: [20:46] So there's this new new ish movement called the Torah movement, and originally it didn't start in Christian circles it started in secular Circles by people who saw the value of Old Testament beliefs and decided to start keeping Torah, they don't consider themselves Jews they don't consider themselves Christians they don't consider themselves, religious in any way they just saw the value of Torah, and then it spread into becoming a religion and then Christians started becoming joining this Torah movement and then no longer considering themselves, Christian's anymore because now they no longer believe, Jesus Is God and they don't believe in the need for the propitiation of sin through crucifixion and sacrifice that even though you know. With the Torah so. Pastor Newms: [21:52] So what kind of kind of the whole point of the Old Law. Pastor Bill: [21:58] So I just wanted to I just wanted to point out some some some scriptures where we talk about how we know, Jesus is God, or at least he was before he became a man because why didn't I put that in my notes the Bible talks about him giving up Divinity to become a man. And then Paul talks about that man then being exalted back, the position of above everything got it. Pastor Newms: [22:41] And you can't give up what you didn't ever have. Pastor Bill: [22:45] That's true you can't get up with you didn't have so and and and these people that have these beliefs, they're tricky their Trixie because they will call out John 1:1 and they will say yeah yeah in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, but that doesn't mean the Word was God except when we go read John 11. [23:19] John 11 and we're going to read through three. [23:29] It says, in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and that's where they stop quoting it but the next part is and the Word was God, he was with God in the beginning all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created, so the mental gymnastics, that has to go on to quote John 11 as part of your defense to claim that Jesus isn't God. [24:04] Is staggering and if you're looking at that and you're going I don't understand how does that what does this word thing so if we stay in the same chapter John one, and we go down to verses 14 through 18 K the word became flesh and dwelt Among Us, we observed his glory the glory as the one and only son from the father full of grace and truth, John testified concerning him and he's claimed this was the one of whom I said the one coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me, indeed we have all received Grace upon Grace from his fullness for the law was given through Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ, no one has ever seen God the one and only son who is himself God and is at the father's side he has revealed himself. [25:07] That's in the csb verse 18 there the phrase who is himself God, it makes me uncomfortable that they included that in the csb translation because it's not in the majority manuscripts that's in a minority manuscript if you go read the King James, it's not even there it's not part of the original Greek that they the manuscript Greek that they, used to make the New Testament in King James is time and even now it's not the majority manuscript it's a minority manuscript so makes me uncomfortable I believe the phrase I believe that, forgot to actually pull up my hard copy Bible I believe that phrase that Jesus is God you know but it makes me uncomfortable to use that Minority manuscript chunk. [26:05] Just because it agrees with you know the way we believe that's it's not really how you're supposed to be translating the Bible but that's my personal belief not, yeah anything else okay so clearly from John chapter 1 we can see that, Jesus Is God Jesus was God in the beginning was the word and I've always, personally not always but for the last decade or two I replaced that word word with the word motive because it's. [26:42] We've conflated in our religious beliefs the word word meaning Bible, word of God you know and then then we equate this is Jesus in my hands and that's simply not the case, but motive actually expresses the concept that's being taught in John 1:1 so the beginning was the motive, and the motive was with God and the were in the motive was the word and the motive was God he was with God in the beginning all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing created, that was created has been created the motive became flesh and dwelt Among Us well why, why does that sit well because you do things because you're driven by a motive your you have this motive to do something, the motive of creation the reason why God created was. Pastor Newms: [27:39] And in that word, logos is something said by implication a topic also reasoning or motive by accent by extension a compulsion, that's not the word compulsion a come. [28:02] Put competish Co MP UTA tion specifically. Pastor Bill: [28:10] Computation. Pastor Newms: [28:11] Yes thank you specifically the Divine expression that is Christ, accountable I mean account cause communication concerning Doctrine matter mouth preaching question you know there's a whole list of words that it can be. Pastor Bill: [28:28] All of that to say it's not just the. Pastor Newms: [28:31] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [28:32] Thing that comes out of your mouth it's the thing that comes out of your mouth and why what's the why behind it. Um and so that's what that is and that becomes flesh well that is Jesus Jesus becomes flesh he is that thing and it was in the beginning, you know the chiefest of time the you know, the first and foremost and I'll and I'll give the tour of movement revelation. [29:28] Right to Laird Ephesus Smyrna pergamum Montana city was Philadelphia but that's not right. [29:52] Maybe it only makes sense in the King James. [29:58] Sorry guys I do like the leg return. The lag I don't like the lag when I when I had to look something up because I forgot to put it in my notes. Pastor Newms: [30:12] Oh Pastor Bill: [30:19] All right yeah Revelations 3:14, it says and unto the angel of the Church of the lady of Seasons write these things saith the amen the faithful and true witness the beginning of the creation of God. And I'll give them that in English that sounds a whole lot like Jesus was the first thing God created. But in Greek the idea being expressed is Chief. [31:00] Um principality magistrate power principle rule. [31:07] The ruler of the creation the magistrate of the creation of God the, principality of the creation of God it's the person who starts it it's the person who oversees it it's it using this context it doesn't mean the first thing to be created, um and in King James it's time they probably understood that turn of phrase to mean what it means but when we read it face value today, I'll give them that that verse sounds like Jesus was a creation the first of the creations. [31:49] But as definitely not what's being said there and even people that try to defend, this Torah movement they'll say things like well I don't need any of that Greek stuff I've got my I've got my King James that's all I need, I'm good I don't need any that Greek and Hebrew stuff I've got all I need right here, and I'm like hmm that's how you lead to misunderstandings of translation because, the King James in your hand wasn't written using the same vernacular that you speak now to none of the cultural context of what's going on in the people that wrote and who that's wrote, you don't understand that cultural context. [32:41] And so for cultural context let's turn to make sure this is the right note that I'm about to talk about yes we're like we're going to turn to John. [32:57] Chapter 8 verses 48 through 59 big Sid Revelation oh what was the rebbe the verse in Revelation. Pastor Newms: [33:09] Where did Big say that. Pastor Bill: [33:12] On Twitch he wrote revelation. Pastor Newms: [33:15] Why didn't restream pick that up. Pastor Bill: [33:17] I'm looking at restraint. Biggs it was Revelations chapter 3 and verse 14 was the verse that sounds in the King James if we want to read it in the aren't was it 14. Kareem CSP it says right to the angel of the church in Letty ousia thus says the a man the faithful and true witness the originator of God's creation the originator. [33:54] That word makes more sense in modern vernacular with what the message that verse is okay so for cultural context now we're going to turn to John chapter 8 verses 48 through 59 and this is a cultural context thing that, that I see missing in their understanding they'll bring this up even, um starting in verse 48 the Jews responded to him Jesus aren't we right and saying that you're a Samaritan and have a demon like them is fighting words first off, you don't come to a teacher a rabbi who has you know hundreds of followers and call them a Samaritan and a demon-possessed Samaritan that's just. [34:48] So in 49 Jesus replies I do not have a demon he didn't say he wasn't Samaritan you noticed that he didn't even touch that he was like I'm not touching your racism with a 10-foot Pole, I do not have a demon Jesus answered on the contrary I honor my father and you dishonor me, I do not seek my own Glory there is one who seeks it and judges truly I tell you if anyone keeps my word he will never see death, then the Jews said now we know you have a demon, Abraham died and so did the prophets you say if anyone keeps my word he will never taste death are you greater than our Father Abraham who died and the prophets died who do you claim to be. [35:34] If I glorify myself Jesus answered my glory is, my father about whom you say he is our God he is the one who glorifies me and you do not know him but I know him, if I were to say I don't know him I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day he saw it and was glad, the Jews replied you aren't 50 years old yet and you've seen Abraham Jesus said to them truly I tell you, before Abraham was I am so they picked up stones to throw at him but Jesus was hidden and he went out of the Temple. [36:23] So this phrase I am Jesus just literally called himself God, just point blank those words I am aren't you don't even say them in their culture because of the fact that God refers to himself as I am. Pastor Newms: [36:39] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [36:42] You don't even say things like I am ready to go to the store that's not a phrase they would have used because it had the words I am in it, they would have chosen a different phrasing, because that's the name of God and Jesus didn't you say that he called himself that and, so there's that cultural context of well Jesus just called himself God that's why they picked up the rocks to Stone him because he just created he just he just made the biggest hair radical. Pastor Newms: [37:12] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [37:14] In their culture. Right he called himself God, and instead of understanding that and seeing that the Torah movement Defenders then pivot, to Exodus why is that not in my notes eat. [37:39] Why are my notes missing notes. Pastor Newms: [37:43] I don't know what you did homie. Pastor Bill: [37:45] I don't know what it is either I've got notes in my head that aren't on my page Exodus chapter 3. [38:01] And so we'll go to Exodus chapter 3 in those they'll bring up the story and it'll say, meanwhile Moses was shepherding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro the priest of Midian, sorry Midian he led the flock to The Far Side of the Wilderness and came to Horeb the Mountain of God then the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire within a bush and that's where they stop reading and they said, see there it was an angel of the Lord in the bush not God was the angel of the Lord who called himself I am, and so that was Jesus in the bush but that wasn't God in the bush but then if you keep reading. [38:44] So we stopped, at verse 2 now so let's finish verse to as Moses look he said the Bush was on fire but was not consumed so Moses thought I must go over there and look at this remarkable sight why isn't the bush burning up, when the Lord saw that he gone over to look God called out to him from the Bush Moses Moses, God speaks through the bush. It's God talking it may have identified it as an angel of the Lord inhabiting the bush but that's God's voice coming out of the fire. [39:33] God calls himself I am in this statement it could repeat key repeatedly says God said God replied even when it gets to the I am it says God replied to Moses I am who I am. [39:53] And so it's this it's these mental gymnastics to try to defend this theology, that leads you away from Christ away from faith in Christ, and into this place where remember we talked about when Paul talks about circumcision physical circumcision he talks about your picking up a piece of the law, and when you do that when you pick up one piece your then, required to carry out all the law and when you do that you've made the work of Christ null and void of no effect, there was no point in Jesus coming and and you're choosing to to give up everything Jesus came and did. [40:45] And that's a dangerous place to be not because I think you can lose your salvation right because, once you truly believe you believe, and those who leave us they never truly believe so if you are are able to be convinced by a snake oil salesman, that, geez know Jesus is really God and and that's not what the Bible means and you're you're a be able to convince it that you probably didn't believe to begin with, because once you believe you believe, there's no one can come to me right now and say you see there Jesus doesn't exist and that's not how it bubbly you can't convince me of that because I wasn't convinced to believe it, I believe it because I believe it it's faith, I don't need evidence I don't need you to tell me something different, I believe it to be the truth I wasn't mentally convinced of it through some gymnastics of logic that's not how Faith Works. [42:01] There are those that believe religious statements, because they were convinced to believe them or they were coerced into believe them or they were you know, feared into believing them coerced into making statements that they didn't actually understand right, and this is this is one of the reasons why we support deconstruction, as an organization because if you were coerced and you're actually not headed for eternity with God you should sussed that out now instead of when it's too late right, um but this Torah movement thing it's just it's cool. Pastor Newms: [42:50] It's weird yeah it's yet another one of those movements where. It doesn't even like as it's happening you're like wait a second what those two things like don't even match. Pastor Bill: [43:15] Now we're not and just to just to be clear we're not talking about the Hebrew Roots movement, there is a Hebrew Roots movement that very very intensely believes that Jesus is God and he is Lord and and but what they believe that to be a true disciple of Christ, you need to live like Christ dead and Christ lives according to precepts that he found in Torah, right and so. Pastor Newms: [43:48] Why so he followed Torah. Pastor Bill: [43:50] So that's what they believe the Hebrew Roots movement believes that for my own physical, edification and to truly satisfy at the end of the day when I look in the mirror and I say I'm a true disciple of Christ I need to do XYZ, not because salvation is tied to it not because righteousness is tied to it but for my own satisfaction for myself, I need to keep Torah and that's perfectly fine, you're allowed to say I'm not going to drink to drink alcohol today because I believe that's bad for me I'm not gonna do this today because I believe that's good for me you're allowed to do all of that, all of that the dividing line is when you start saying things like, Jesus isn't God and didn't need to die for your sins, and and start literally teaching a different gospel than what's taught, by Paul and the other Apostles here in this tiny portion at the back of the Bible its you know compared to the rest of the Bible is this tiny portion. Pastor Newms: [45:07] And it's something that you know so often, we deal with in the modern world people trying to redefine or change the meaning of and. Often times we have to look at the whole like okay well you know o the spirit the Holy Spirit told me this, and you're like but that is completely opposite of the foundings of the teachers in the Bible if something is completely, opposite scripture or the Bible however you want to look at that that's where we have to go mmm does that does that truly, shake out especially if you start writing new New Testaments to justify what you want to do and you would you like to answer Juno, hi Juno it's been a minute how you doing also side note. Pastor Bill: [46:25] Well the question on Twitch from Juno Malone who asks how do you pronounce it Collision well you pronounce it ich lesion and, don't worry I get that question a lot so here's what happened is the Greek word for church or Community is ekklesia, ekklesia so it should be a clear seein right but that doesn't have an English ring to it, um and so I changed it to eke lesion for our purposes but it is occlusion coming from ekklesia and coming from ekklesia basically meaning of the church. So there you go of the church or of the community is basically what equation means. Pastor Newms: [47:17] Which is also why. Pastor Bill: [47:19] Of the church House Of The Community House. Pastor Newms: [47:21] When Pastor Bill made our website a collision house.com, II I tried to spell it for about six months and then was like we're going to have to do something. Pastor Bill: [47:37] It's then I got our ekk. House. Pastor Newms: [47:40] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [47:41] URL and email addresses and all that because. Pastor Newms: [47:45] Occlusion house in dyslexia don't go well together. Pastor Bill: [47:46] Somebody couldn't spell Ecclesia and over and over and over and over again. Pastor Newms: [47:50] Does it I couldn't get into my own email. Pastor Bill: [47:55] He's like past news it dude how do you spell it again. Pastor Newms: [47:57] Yeah anyway yes thank you for the question you're welcome for the answer. Pastor Bill: [48:12] All right give anything else your dad I know you were. Pastor Newms: [48:15] No I was I was I was I was wrapped up with my with my thought process I wrapped up before I, went to Geno's question but it definitely. It is something that I've actually had a couple conversations over the last couple of days about things that don't necessarily make sense because, what they call themselves isn't even matching what they are, things like the tour movement the Torah movement but we'll ignore large parts of the Torah, and everything else attached to the Torah will just focus on the parts that we like and ignore you know so it's interesting when we. Pastor Bill: [49:04] The real in the rib to me the really interesting part about the whole thing is that Matthew Mark Luke John James Peter Paul said all these people they were Torah keepers, it was Torah Keepers who wrote the New Testament and said. [49:23] We were given the laws of Moses through you know by God through Moses but now Grace and Truth has come, through Jesus and and Paul said no no I don't hate the Lyle of the law the law taught me right from wrong but now, I'm under the grace of Christ and while everything may not be good for me I'm free to do whatever I want, and while everything may not edify me I'm free to do whatever I want now should I well no because there's things that want to kill me, there's things that will literally kill me and literally Lead Me Away from where I need to be but I could if I wanted to, and that's I think a lot of people don't get that about the gospel that the New Testament actually preaches it is for freedom, that Christ set us free it's not for slavery it didn't set us free from the bondage that we were in so that we could just be in a new bondage he set us free so that, we have freedom we can choose to do whatever we want it's not necessarily good for us right but but we have the freedom to. Anyway that's a whole nother that's a whole nother topic and a whole nother Ranch. Pastor Newms: [50:52] That's a whole nother topic whole nother topic that we've gone down a couple times so. Pastor Bill: [50:58] Be aware and careful out there because the Bible warns that from the get-go there were people who were teaching other gospels and that that will just continue to ramp up, people will continue to. [51:15] Bring just completely Twisted things that they think they've heard from the scriptures and honestly, when you talk to a tour of movement person and you talk to a Muslim, there's not really much difference between the way the two of them see the world they talk about Jesus the same way, they have World Views that are very similar so it's not really a new thing at all it's it's a bunch of old things regurgitated into a new package, and it's not right, weird and honestly you won't hear me say this a lot but it's wrong, I don't I don't say that a lot because I think it's up to you to decide but this is one that is just point blank wrong. [52:16] All right so this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. wherever you, get your podcast and we also record it live on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time on Twitch YouTube and Facebook and you could go to our website, EK K dot house to find out which twitch which Facebook and which YouTube that you can go to to participate live, um what are you laughing about Jesse something wrong again. Pastor Newms: [52:49] No no no you say it you say it correctly every week but, there's just something about the phrase which to itch. Pastor Bill: [53:00] Which witch. Pastor Newms: [53:00] That makes that makes my mind giggle because it's like which twitch which Facebook and with just that which to which is makes me it makes me giggle because. Pastor Bill: [53:11] It makes me happy to say which twitch. Pastor Newms: [53:11] Close I know and that makes me giggle as well I'm in a good mood today that's weird anyway continue. Pastor Bill: [53:18] And then as we said you know throughout Journal Malone has a question or that brings on YouTube says or big says these are people that are participating life in the conversation and we would like to invite you to come participate live as well. Intro And Outro Music Pastor Bill: [53:32] So hopefully you can join us some Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. and that's all we have for you this week I love you and I hope you have a great. Pastor Newms: [53:41] Be safe out there y'all. Pastor Bill: [53:42] Until next time.

Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 77 of the Green Man.   Intro And Outro Music   Pastor Bill: [0:08] And love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by always with year to Freshly head shaven this guy this guy's here.   Pastor Newms: [0:18] We should should we try again.   Pastor Bill: [0:19] No I don't want you to get this guy's here.   Pastor Newms: [0:21] Just that just that back part I'm joined as always, we're not we're joined a lot but we're definitely not joined to always.   Pastor Bill: [0:34] As always by he's right here if the show in part of the show you are and here is you right here.   Pastor Newms: [0:41] Who is it tonight's going to be like this all right.   Pastor Bill: [0:45] Tonight is all week has been like this man all week has been my brain all week has been just like that's a good example of what it's been like in my head all week long.   Pastor Newms: [0:54] So how has your week gone since we've already.   Pastor Bill: [0:57] That just like that all week long it's been like that it started on, the words just were wrong from the get-go, and it never went uphill from there you just mentally just like was like yeah yeah yeah, so how was your week.   Pastor Newms: [1:21] Lucas pretty good busy at work like always lots of stuff going on lots of projects so many projects, I was was I something why didn't I are we I was still coughing and stuff still trying to get over the crud, Phoenix I finally asked her if she had any Mucinex and it just cleared up in a day after she of course had some and, Biggs is saying it twice.   Pastor Bill: [1:58] I know Biggs really wants to call it, all right so I guess we'll do that so the first weekend in June we are going to be ministering at Pride Dallas Pride, and we will have shirts like this one for sale the one that I'm wearing if you are listening to this and you want to see the shirt then you'll have to hop on over to, you know what actually I could just attach a picture of the shirt on to the podcast.   [2:30] Transcription so they already can see it if you listen to it right so it's got a circle of Ampersand symbols in different rainbow colors you says fully known fully loved, responding to God's love.com first John Chapter 4 verses 9 through 10 and Isaiah 44:24 this is the theme fully known fully loved is the theme of all of the March that will have, pride and then we'll have you know we'll be there in our Free Hug shirts giving out free hugs and well, we'll have a brief Manifesto little section and we'll have a gaming with the pastor section will have the merch section and, it's going to be a good time where we're going to love on folks so, this week I'm wearing this shirt next week I'll wear a different pattern of one of the shirts were selling and then the next week oh we're different pattern and the next few cars are better and then the last Sunday before Pride I'll actually Where My Free Hug sure.   Pastor Newms: [3:28] Or we just wear all of them at once just like arm arm over your face.   Pastor Bill: [3:34] This is this is not an episode of Friends that's.   Pastor Newms: [3:39] I don't know what you're talking about.   Pastor Bill: [3:40] So this episode of Friends where um one either Chandler Chandler Joey Chandler Chandler sleeps with Joey's girlfriend, I think that's what it was anyway Joey goes into Chandler's closet and puts on every piece of clothing the channel owns all at the same time, and then comes across the hall into the girl's apartment where they're all hanging out and he's like you do this to me I'm going to wear all your clothes at the same time and tenders like how is that even.   [4:25] Or maybe you just kissed his girlfriend anyway it was an overreaction but yeah he was wearing all of all of Chandler's closing all the same time.   Pastor Newms: [4:34] I was thinking it was an under reaction but okay.   Pastor Bill: [4:36] And he was like and he was like could I be any more overdressed no mocking Chandler's thanks okay obviously you were not a friend an avid friends fan.   Pastor Newms: [4:50] No we my aunt's were definitely huge is it my wait for a car to your Weaver card.   Pastor Bill: [5:04] It's definitely my week for a card.   Pastor Newms: [5:22] How's it going you going to finish it at or I have to.   Pastor Bill: [5:25] My little groggy get addicted to do do do.   Pastor Newms: [5:32] That's fun okay.   Pastor Bill: [5:33] All right I will pull the card not just any card the next card.   Pastor Newms: [5:39] Get to know the pastor's.   Pastor Bill: [5:41] Groggy says his parents liked friends I think you guys are trying to insult me you were saying your aunt's he's saying his parents I'm like I'm not that old guys I'm only a few years older than you are.   Pastor Newms: [5:53] 17 I agree.   Pastor Bill: [5:56] 17   Pastor Newms: [5:57] Yeah you're 17 years older than I am.   Pastor Bill: [6:01] I'm not 17 years old.   Pastor Newms: [6:04] Yes you are a true like 97.   Pastor Bill: [6:05] All right you ready.   Pastor Newms: [6:11] No I'm never ready for your card.   Pastor Bill: [6:14] What's one bad habit you're trying to get rid of.   Pastor Newms: [6:34] I don't think I'm actively trying to get rid of any habits, I don't think.   [6:47] I don't think so I don't think I'm actively getting rid of anything.   Pastor Bill: [6:55] It's not going to actually try and get rid of any bad habits.   Pastor Newms: [6:58] I don't think I am right now what about you.   Pastor Bill: [7:05] Bad habits.   Pastor Newms: [7:06] I think we're going to pull another card I think this one doesn't work for us.   Pastor Bill: [7:14] I forget to eat until my wife or one of my kids reminds me that Foods a thing so that counts a bad habit today.   Pastor Newms: [7:22] Are you actively trying to not do that.   Pastor Bill: [7:25] No I guess we'll pull another car.   Pastor Newms: [7:28] I won't consider eating sugar a bad habit that's an addiction slightly different.   Pastor Bill: [7:35] How would you like to die that sounds like the weird start to a Tinder conversation.   Pastor Newms: [7:47] How would I like to die.   [7:53] Can everyone hear my chair squeaking when I'm rocking back and forth.   Pastor Bill: [7:57] I cannot hear your chair know.   Pastor Newms: [8:00] I think it's actually like bouncing up and down the green bar when I do it because I was just thinking and I saw it hmm interesting.   Pastor Bill: [8:08] How would I like to die.   Pastor Newms: [8:11] I mean realistically, I would like to die quick pain painless when I'm asleep like you know just out is what I'm going to say for our podcast that goes out to everyone, yeah that's what I'm going to say for our podcast church night.   Pastor Bill: [8:49] I don't care how I just get it over with.   Pastor Newms: [8:52] I do I will I will say quickly in both ways, both on the timescale and in as it's happening I've always had a very much a, Paul belief of die is gain, if I have to be here it's just because of, no no I would not want to die in a battle axe dual because my fear would be one, you probably die slowly bleeding.   Pastor Bill: [9:30] So that came from bat-brains on YouTube the battle ax dual suggestion that newms is responding to.   Pastor Newms: [9:39] I couldn't it's always like to kill someone it's not how I would like to die it'd be very painful slowly getting hacked up it would be epic yes.   Pastor Bill: [9:51] Hear why it's gonna die of cholesterol buildup this is currently eating a bag of Rolos.   [10:11] That's funny.   Pastor Newms: [10:13] All right yeah that's too bad questions for you.   Pastor Bill: [10:19] Yeah dude should I pull the third card now or.   Pastor Newms: [10:21] Sure because.   Pastor Bill: [10:22] Just going to keep this big going.   Pastor Newms: [10:23] We we've wasted four minutes exactly and no one knows us any better other than we're both not working on any bad habits and want to die easily I mean that's kind of weird dudes that's not exactly.   Pastor Bill: [10:37] Weird dudes.   Pastor Newms: [10:39] Why are you putting cards back over and over again.   Pastor Bill: [10:41] Huh.   Pastor Newms: [10:45] Anyone who's watching can see you your chair is higher now.   Pastor Bill: [10:49] We talking about.   [10:58] I'm just trying to find a good one.   Pastor Newms: [11:00] Pick a card.   Pastor Bill: [11:01] I'm picking the card I have to read them if I will pick one.   Pastor Newms: [11:06] Oh we're going to get through your deck tonight if you keep flipping cards like that you're crazy you're crazy.   [11:22] All right you're done you're done.   Pastor Bill: [11:24] Play you in a movie.   Pastor Newms: [11:24] Circle you're back to the beginning of your cards we've pulled that card before.   Pastor Bill: [11:35] Because then all these other cards I would have recognized that come after it which I do every last one of them.   Pastor Newms: [11:46] Yeah okay so.   Pastor Bill: [11:47] We've gone through this whole deck so for the ones I skipped.   Pastor Newms: [11:52] If you were writing an autobiography if you were writing an autobiography what would the book's title be besides your name.   Pastor Bill: [12:02] Life sucks and then you die.   Pastor Newms: [12:06] I once told people mine would just be Hoops still here.   Pastor Bill: [12:12] I'm still here.   Pastor Newms: [12:16] Living extremely Reckless for several years and then just Hoops till here.   Pastor Bill: [12:22] Living extremely extremely Reckless wreck Ritz.   Pastor Newms: [12:27] That I just I don't know I don't know how I'm here oops let's figure it out.   Pastor Bill: [12:39] You still here don't know how I did that but I did it.   Pastor Newms: [12:43] Oops still here what about you billion oh life sucks and then you die.   Pastor Bill: [12:50] Yeah life sucks and then you die the autobiography of William Andrew Shay.   Pastor Newms: [12:57] Alright alright alright, I didn't know she was in here that scared me Kai's usually not in my office and so her bark made me jump.   Pastor Bill: [13:12] I think Biggs would be it was not an accident.   Pastor Newms: [13:16] Next.   Pastor Bill: [13:17] The life.   Pastor Newms: [13:18] The song is your life insurance doesn't know that that's good.   Pastor Bill: [13:23] The last story of David Biggs holding it was not an accident.   Pastor Newms: [13:27] Yeah oops.   [13:41] Now listening to my wife try to coax the dog quietly while Whispering from the end of the room is.   Pastor Bill: [13:49] What about Justin Timberlake.   Pastor Newms: [13:51] Alright okay.   Pastor Bill: [13:54] His would be it's going to be met the autobiography of Justin Timberlake.   Pastor Newms: [14:00] It's going to be me wow all right so straight into the topic here we go because we are done getting to know each other not tonight.   Pastor Bill: [14:10] All right so we're still in Acts I had a little bit of a moment this week where I thought we were going to be in first Timothy but then after about an hour of study I realized, it was an intrusive thought or something I don't know what it was but it wasn't the topic for tonight.   Pastor Newms: [14:29] Maybe it was just something to get your mind working for a later topic.   Pastor Bill: [14:33] Maybe it's weird though because it was the one about physical exercise and I don't really do that already so yeah Total Physical.   Pastor Newms: [14:41] Not doing it.   Pastor Bill: [14:42] Profiteth little, it was about you know you shouldn't be wasting your time on honing the gains because it profiteth little, I said that right is up the way bodybuilders talk the gains all right.   Pastor Newms: [15:04] It depends on your need for gains and why you're getting gains whether it would profit little or not if that your only thing is to look sexy yeah probably.   Pastor Bill: [15:13] Almost everything you just said went over my head so.   Pastor Newms: [15:17] Okay it's been that kind of week two.   Pastor Bill: [15:22] We're in Acts chapter 2 and we're going to be looking at verses 42 through 47 so let's start there, they have a whoo, they that early church because in the verse before this he talked about that day about three thousand people were added to them to the Believers, they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching to the fellowship to the breaking of bread and to prayer.   [15:57] Everyone is filled with awe and Many Wonders and signs were being performed through the apostles, now all the Believers were together and held all things in common they sold their possessions and property and distributed, the proceeds all as any had need every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple and broke bread from house to house they ate their food with joyful and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people every Lord added to their number those who were being saved, and once again we have to keep in mind that those that are being added to their number are solely Jews at this, they this none of these are Gentiles none of these are non, descendants of Israel there these are all Jews because they didn't believe that salvation in the Holy Spirit, were for the Gentiles yet they believed it was still only for the Jews and that salvation wasn't for the Gentiles, which is kind of a.   [17:13] I don't know it's kind of a rough rough thing to consolidate in your head that they're like yeah we need to save as many Jews as possible so that, in the resurrection, they'll be found worthy of Eternity with God and everyone else is going to go to the pits of Tartarus and and live in torment and because for all eternity because it's not for them it's just for us, the worldview man The worldview Who.   Pastor Newms: [17:44] It's definitely an interesting world view yes, and I think it's one of those where it's like okay and that's why I think when the Revelation was given later that it was for everyone it was very much like a oh my gosh, oh crud why didn't I think about that you know I oh we should have known that like that that should have been obvious.   Pastor Bill: [18:15] Cuz you could you could convert him to come and you, and so then I guess technically you would qualify for what the disciples and the apostles thought about salvation.   Pastor Newms: [18:32] Technically.   Pastor Bill: [18:34] Technically.   Pastor Newms: [18:36] It would be a definitely a very interesting thought process definitely the, one of the things I always find to be interesting with situations like that is is is those moments where, I come to Jesus moment where it's like, oh oh I was so wrong oh crud I've been wrong for years and years oh crud I don't know what I'm doing now you know and, having that aspect is it would definitely be sombering to say the least because it's like oh no, you got it you got it you got to worry about you gotta wonder I mean how, worried Peter and and Paul and just everybody was at that moment going, oh no we've missed out for a little while now like this wasn't like two or three days.   Pastor Bill: [19:39] I just think it's funny to put myself in their in their shoes, Peter has this Revelation from God that salvation is for everyone later in Acts and we'll know we'll get there eventually, and he comes back and he's like hey did you guys realize this was for everyone and their response it doesn't record it quite like this but their response is we're so glad James took over for you as the leader of the church, man that could not have happened soon enough you are crazy bro that is some next-level crazy.   Pastor Newms: [20:17] And then it's like oh wait crowd he's right.   Pastor Bill: [20:18] And then it's slowly they're like oh that actually makes sense hey James did you know this and James is probably like, yeah I was with Jesus Peter you were with Jesus too how come you didn't understand I'm Peter.   Pastor Newms: [20:36] I'm Peter.   Pastor Bill: [20:38] You want to know how to knit a net I can tell you that you want to know how to catch fish I can tell you that.   Pastor Newms: [20:43] I'm really good at cutting off ears.   Pastor Bill: [20:45] I got some sword skills but man.   Pastor Newms: [20:49] Clean cut clean cut.   Pastor Bill: [20:50] This theology stuff I'm still getting there man.   Pastor Newms: [20:53] It definitely, it's one of those where and we've talked about this before it truly shows the, fact that as Christians as people as humans we are allowed to grow, there are times when we're wrong there are times when we're right there are times when we're right but wrong, like when you when you got the right thing but you got it at the wrong time or the wrong situation or the wrong person you know there are you know, it's interesting when you look at things like that because it's like oh snot.   Pastor Bill: [21:38] And then it's definitely one of those major themes of the book of Acts that they grew and they learned and they changed I mean heck Paul goes from going by Saul and, literally holding people's coats so they can throw stones at a stoning to killing Christians himself to becoming a Christian, and asking people to call him by his Jewish name instead of his Roman name Paul and says salt.   Pastor Newms: [22:13] Oh you started fading out.   Pastor Bill: [22:17] Um that's that's some major growth.   Pastor Newms: [22:22] So Pastor Bill is trying to say something but we're not sure what that is and he's Frozen with a great look on his face.   Pastor Bill: [22:28] I said that's a major growth Arc right there.   Pastor Newms: [22:32] Yeah we got going so it was going from holding coats to killing himself too, robot robot robot robot robot silence Frozen robot robot what I said was so.   Pastor Bill: [22:50] Becoming a Christian and going by his Jewish name instead of his Roman name Paul instead of salt, that's a major growth Arc.   Pastor Newms: [23:07] And and the church themselves it's interesting to see often, you know where it started where it's at it appears the big two bigs took a screenshot of it I didn't this time.   Pastor Bill: [23:24] You guys and your screenshots.   Pastor Newms: [23:28] Only when you're that Frozen because it's just fun, it's interesting to see some of the, changes, as the church grew and as people, we're given Revelations and were learning things and more you know it's interesting to see, that growth and then it's interesting to see what didn't change you know some things didn't, and the understanding of certain things as the books are written in as you know when you look at, the gospels and then you look at the early church and then you look at the early church but slightly later they're definitely different themes and.   Pastor Bill: [24:24] As far as the church is concerned I mean hear their meeting everyday, it going to the temple to have a meals together and they do this is a daily thing that they're doing and then later you know Paul gets saved, Paul Works serves in the church for 18 years before he think of that in the ministry on his own and then we see in his writings he start to referencing things that the church wasn't doing before like meeting on the first day of the week, to have a service and not so much meaning everyday anymore they're doing their normal lives every day they're just getting together on the first day of the week, and you know doing Ministry to each other the first day of the week instead of being together everyday, so it's interesting that within that first two decades or so, they went from we're all in we're kind of share everything we have and everything belongs to everybody and we're going to sell all we have and and you know be one body and then within two years within 20 years, um they more resembled just the weekly Church like we have now, and that's just really really interesting I don't even want to call that growth I want to call that, complacency Maybe.   Pastor Newms: [25:52] I want to call it.   Pastor Bill: [25:54] Because while they were being hunted they were so meaning every day and then once Christianity became mainstream they dropped it to start it only meeting once a week.   Pastor Newms: [26:06] I think it's also just the aspect of.   [26:14] Lifestyles and making disciples and bringing people in, there is a time of well now what.   Pastor Bill: [26:34] It almost gets that pyramid scheme.   Pastor Newms: [26:36] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [26:37] Vibe of unsustainability you know, like we came in we saw everything we had now I have nothing left to contribute or meeting every day I'm not making an income to contribute we're all literally just living off of the incomes of the new people that come in when they then sell everything they have, okay.   Pastor Newms: [26:56] And so it's definitely it's definitely at a certain point where you go okay we have to you know, there are some people who should be spending all of their time studying and I and you know that's when you start to get the church hierarchies that's when you start to get the you know all of those aspects.   Pastor Bill: [27:22] And they did two at the beginning they had that whole everything is everybody, point of view if we look at Acts chapter 4 starting in verse 32 now the entire group of those who believed were one heart and mind and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but instead they held everything in common, with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and great grace was on all of them, for there was not a needy person among them because all those who own lands or houses sold them brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid them at the apostles feet, this was then distributed to each person as any had need Joseph A levite from Cyprus by birth the one the apostles called Barnabas this is the guy that later than goes, Paul, to some Ministry which is translated son of encouragement sold a field he owned brought the money and laid it at the apostles feet, and that was a common thing for them to do but yeah completely unsustainable.   Pastor Newms: [28:37] Cuz you get to a point where all right where are we living.   Pastor Bill: [28:49] I mean understand we can we can make a farm we can you know maybe so.   Pastor Newms: [28:54] Not if we sold all the.   Pastor Bill: [28:55] From the farm but where are we going to get the land we yeah we sold the land.   Pastor Newms: [28:59] Yeah we sold all our land we sold all our.   Pastor Bill: [29:01] Yeah so like.   Pastor Newms: [29:03] It does get to a point where you're like.   Pastor Bill: [29:06] So this whole argument where people like we you know the first church was they were socialists they were communists.   Pastor Newms: [29:12] Well now.   [29:19] I will say though they continued in taking care of the weak and the sick and the Widow you know that part wasn't and we as the modern Church, you know some churches are getting back to it, we clear a lot of churches are doing really good work but there for a long time the church as a whole, that went straight to the Wayside.   Pastor Bill: [29:49] But even here in the early church when they realized it wasn't sustainable, and yeah nobody had any meat that's great but it was completely unsustainable even then while James is still on the scene right because we've talked about the higher art the leadership of the church, Peter James then Paul before Paul took over while James is still a myth you know leading the church, he boils it down and says you know what we're to take care of Orphans and widows, that's it everybody else is on your own go figure it out.   Pastor Newms: [30:24] And it's because you know it's sustainability you know if everyone sells their property where we sleeping everyone hanging out at the apostles house are they did they sell theirs if everyone.   Pastor Bill: [30:36] Well they did have by the time Paul was converted they were all on the run which nobody owned anything so they could be on the Run, um so you know the Holy Spirit worked it out in their favor in that manner but they basically lived in these giant tent settlements they would set up these tents that could all just be broken down thrown on their back and moved at a moment's notice, and they taught started teaching everyone how to make.   [31:11] And they would make the tents and they would sell the tents and so it kind of you know they started learning a trade, and this is where you hear about Paul being a tentmaker and the whole Tent Maker anointing and all you're going to be a Ministry you got to be a tentmaker you meaning you can't be full-time Ministry you have to have a job to to support, being in Ministry you got you're going to be a 10 maker you got to you got to be making an income, which again you don't want to be a burden on Believers and at the same time, some people are called to full-time Ministry and they are due pay, it's a thing now are they do millions of dollars pay year, probably not I say probably because that's really none of my business that's between them and God probably not are they do hundreds of thousands a year maybe depending on the size of the church, you know what workers worth is wage and so they just have to fill that out with you know between them and their board and and with the Lord and figure out you know, yeah is a tentmaker type thing is this a is this the thing where the church can pay you and so yeah.   [32:37] I try to be nobody wants to buy my chance well very few people want to buy my tents so but that's neither here nor there, which people wanted to buy my tents I'm a committed tentmaker.   Pastor Newms: [32:59] You do work hard when there's work.   Pastor Bill: [33:00] When there's work to be done oh man I don't, I don't get it why so I have such a hard time getting hired Greg he says he'll buy a tent thank you groggy I appreciate it but I don't think you can afford my tents anyway no junk.   Pastor Newms: [33:27] You know I was.   Pastor Bill: [33:28] I don't literally make tents let's let's just put that out there not a.   Pastor Newms: [33:34] Tent from you if you were making a tense in actuality I'm clear on that I support you and so many you know best friend ways I'm buying a tent, trust I might from from your from from from Bad Brains like nice crocheted.   Pastor Bill: [33:52] Crocheted take you know that wouldn't keep anything out weather-wise I mean you be warm you definitely be warm in there but if it started raining.   Pastor Newms: [34:01] Now that's for the inside of the regular 10.   Pastor Bill: [34:06] I'll just make a crochet 10 that go on the inside of the tent as if tents aren't hot enough already.   Pastor Newms: [34:12] And then and then you put one on the outside to be pretty.   Pastor Bill: [34:15] Oh my goodness.   Pastor Newms: [34:16] Yeah igloo.   Pastor Bill: [34:20] How many thousands of dollars that would cost to crochet.   Pastor Newms: [34:22] I will I will let bat-brains do that math for me and tell me at some point when she wants to but.   Pastor Bill: [34:34] So many schemes of yarn so many.   Pastor Newms: [34:37] So many the I had something it was good.   Pastor Bill: [34:50] You were going to say something.   Pastor Newms: [34:52] But it's definitely like a situation like the Ecclesia house you know we don't have any paid staff currently.   Pastor Bill: [35:02] All right well while you're trying to remember what you were going to say oh wait I guess I'm frozen.   Pastor Newms: [35:05] I remember are you frozen again oh he's Frozen again he doesn't exist he can't hear my good idea.   Pastor Bill: [35:13] He's trying to figure out what he was going to say but while he's Frozen.   Pastor Newms: [35:15] A good one and he doesn't just.   Pastor Bill: [35:16] Um here on the podcast you should go read Acts chapter 5 about what happens when, you lie to the Holy Spirit and then.   Pastor Newms: [35:29] He's almost back he's robot.   Pastor Bill: [35:31] For it so.   Pastor Newms: [35:33] He's almost back.   Pastor Bill: [35:35] Am I back on the line.   Pastor Newms: [35:37] He's almost back.   Pastor Bill: [35:38] No I'm not back on the live at all I just lost.   Pastor Newms: [35:40] Maybe nope he's still gone sadly.   Pastor Bill: [35:44] Should go read acts 5 about and a nice and Sapphira they sold a piece of land and then they keep back a portion of it and.   Pastor Newms: [35:57] Can y'all hear him and just I can't hear him.   Pastor Bill: [35:59] To give that portion I am back on the line I was just telling the podcast about, go ahead and read an X5 to follow up with what we're talking about tonight about selling all you have and giving and ananias and Sapphira you know making a sale, and yeah and then lying about it.   Pastor Newms: [36:21] Yeah not a good idea.   Pastor Bill: [36:21] My restream chat and give just completely.   Pastor Newms: [36:26] What you're having some internet hiccups you're definitely having some internet issues at the moment, one thing I was thinking and this was just something that I came to me when I was in conversation with I don't remember whom today I talked to a lot of people today, we need to after the event we need to put up some of the shirts and stuff for people to buy.   Pastor Bill: [37:02] Yes.   Pastor Newms: [37:04] That needs to be I know you have a personal store but we should set up a, either a church store or it goes to your personal I don't know how that any of that stuff kind of works I don't do any type of Commerce but now I was talking to two bigs about it at lunch.   [37:31] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [37:34] And this is everyone's least favorite design of everyone that I pulled that's why I started with this one tonight you know start with the least favorite and get onto the favorites after that.   Pastor Newms: [37:47] I'm going to be honest I didn't like it looking at it, in Black in camera it's not as bad as just the design.   Pastor Bill: [38:03] Yeah.   Pastor Newms: [38:14] But.   [38:18] I think that it's actually not as bad as I thought it was.   Pastor Bill: [38:26] As I'm a good bottle.   Pastor Newms: [38:27] Biggs that's that's exactly what it is good job.   Pastor Bill: [38:30] It's how big the canvas is that I create to show off the it's the wide canvas aspect.   Pastor Newms: [38:40] What is just a small picture it's not any good but on a full-size canvas it's.   Pastor Bill: [38:45] Full size canvas like my chest, right so this week go read chapter 5 of X find out about ananias and Sapphira, and then I sells the they sell the property and then and then he brings the money but he lies to the Holy Spirit and it's not about, when you read it it's not about, whether or not they gave one hundred percent of the sale price it's about the fact that they said yes it's 100% And then it actually wasn't.   Pastor Newms: [39:23] Yeah it's that aspect of of you know.   Pastor Bill: [39:29] Wow.   Pastor Newms: [39:30] Even what.   Pastor Bill: [39:31] She brought me a picture of a okay okay that's very hippie is it crochet tent.   Pastor Newms: [39:39] Oof.   Pastor Bill: [39:39] And a crocheted glamper.   [39:47] I just put the flash does images up onto the the livestream so if you're listening on the podcast and you want to see the crocheted tent you will have to go to Facebook twitch or YouTube and scroll forward to about, 47 minutes in to see the, crocheted glamper and the crochets tent image.   Pastor Newms: [40:11] Yeah it is it's busy and they definitely used whatever they had laying around.   Pastor Bill: [40:18] What they did is they made smaller pieces and then put them together so.   Pastor Newms: [40:25] I mean obviously.   Pastor Bill: [40:27] Yeah they didn't just crochet one giant piece no that would be insane.   Pastor Newms: [40:34] But you would think if you were going to do that yes bat-brains it was so ugly, if you were going to do that you would do patterns that complemented each other, those particular ones looked like what you would see at a festival where there are wild.   Pastor Bill: [40:51] Poor people are doing LSD yeah.   Pastor Newms: [40:53] Growing you know that's I think that's the only way you could enjoy that.   Pastor Bill: [40:58] Welcome to Woodstock back there we've got the crochet 10th that's where you're going to get your vegetables, hey vegetables and then over next to that there's the crocheted glamper you're gonna go over there and get some grass like grass I mean we'd, and by the way I you know what I mean.   Pastor Newms: [41:17] Billy.   [41:22] That was that was terrible yeah anywho, yeah that was uh oh I'm scared, what did you post groggy.   Pastor Bill: [41:43] It's a guy he put a link to a clip in the twitch chat.   Pastor Newms: [41:51] Oh he put a link to you showing he clipped it for us.   Pastor Bill: [41:56] Oh he clipped me showing the crochet tent and crochet glamper.   Pastor Newms: [41:59] So you could so that way if you wanted you could put it in the in the release notes for people to see so they would then easily find our well he's our twitch, look it groggy.   Pastor Bill: [42:16] That sure does look good man I like that.   Pastor Newms: [42:18] It does it looks good on you and that comes from someone who didn't like the shirt at all.   Pastor Bill: [42:25] Even like this design it does it looks good nice.   Pastor Newms: [42:29] Not even a little but yeah.   Pastor Bill: [42:32] Cool thank you groggy I appreciate you clipping that and I will definitely put that link in the, transcription for people to click on so there has a fast forward to 47 minutes into the live but this podcast does come out live we record it live on Sunday evenings at 6:30.   Pastor Newms: [42:51] Wait why are we wrapping up we have 10 more minutes.   Pastor Bill: [42:52] Central Standard time it was just a really good segue we can just keep talking after it but it was a good Segway into the the info.   Pastor Newms: [42:59] Well I killed it so.   Pastor Bill: [43:01] Killed it you killed the Segway yeah so my three year old, um has has come to use the restroom by himself he didn't bring anyone to help him, and now he's telling me he's done using the restroom and I'm saying that on the livestream and hearing about 30 to 45 seconds that's brain is gonna hear it in the living room and be like oh my gosh.   Pastor Newms: [43:23] Come take care of it yeah that is funny that he came in there without there's been some funny moments this past week with him as he, has been learning to use the restroom fully by himself.   Pastor Bill: [43:41] He's learning the etiquette of daddy I'm done so.   Pastor Newms: [43:47] It's been it's been a lot of fun this week as we were doing things.   Pastor Bill: [43:53] Right so spot this comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcast and if you'd like to join us live you can do so that we do this on twitch Facebook and YouTube you can go to our website www.marykay.co.uk/awilliam stretch which YouTube and which Facebook, that we do this on live and you can join us in the peak of the clackety chatty thing we have some regulars to join us and we have some, people who come every once in awhile and then we would like to throw the chat to just be full of people asking questions just agreeing giving input creating bunny trails that we can try not to go down, just all kinds of things just just a lot of interaction it would be really awesome, because that's the style of thing we want to do we want to have it be you know a group of thing a group event more than just the two of us being Talking Heads but more interaction the more interaction love about.   Pastor Newms: [45:00] Because we talk to each other a lot almost.   [45:16] But we talk to each other all the time we don't we don't need to talk to each other anymore.   Pastor Bill: [45:22] Yes we do.   Pastor Newms: [45:25] Well I'm not saying it from I'm saying there's no reason to have this.   Pastor Bill: [45:29] Yay.   Pastor Newms: [45:30] Utah oh my gosh here we go guys this is what I have to put up with every day, um no but we want the interaction in the end the people Linda the talking and because that's, you know this started if you go back to you know the beginning episodes the first Parts when we were alive they you know we're in restaurants.   Pastor Bill: [45:54] Well in the very beginning beginning I was releasing a podcast today and then we were meeting once a week.   Pastor Newms: [46:02] Sustainable look at what we did.   Pastor Bill: [46:04] We were meeting once a week and trying to then discuss okay so all the podcasts that came out this week what you learn what you want to talk about with you and then we net we you know narrow that down to okay just one podcaster week, and I would release it and then everyone have a whole week to be able to listen to it and we'd get together on Sunday and nobody would have listened to it and nobody was ready to interact and nobody was and and you know, we just kind of we move on from there and so now with covid now we're here.   Pastor Newms: [46:40] Which is a completely different place but it's a good place.   Pastor Bill: [46:46] So bad Blaze should differ.   Pastor Newms: [46:47] No just different and we're continuing to grow.   Pastor Bill: [46:51] Heart of this was always Fellowship face-to-face being able to interact being able to say your piece being able to ask questions.   [47:06] Anyway that's why we encourage people to come Live While We're recording the podcast and be a part of what's going on so there's that all right you have anything you want to add to the topic for tonight.   Pastor Newms: [47:19] No   Pastor Bill: [47:22] You were pretty chatty about this topic more chatty than I expected you to be.   Pastor Newms: [47:26] I mean it's valid since we're doing throwbacks.   Pastor Bill: [47:29] You said it's valid.   Pastor Newms: [47:33] You know it's one of those things where it's important to look at, everything like we always talked about you know don't take the two verses you want to look at, out of contacts don't take you know it's that whole like you hear some people talk about the, innocence fire that's why you can't lie to preachers you're like no that's, that's not what God's not going to strike you down for fibbing God's Gonna strike strike you down, to make a point because you lied to the Holy Spirit multiple times to make yourself look better, not oops I made a boo-boo I said you know I said the wrong thing I did the wrong thing you know it was blatant we're going to do this and we know what we're doing and we know it's wrong but, we're going to do it and make ourselves still look.   Pastor Bill: [48:45] Nobody's going to know they'll never know you know that whole audio Tick Tock nobody'll ever know they'll never know they knew, they knew when you said it and drop down dead in there.   Pastor Newms: [49:04] Well and let's be honest, if everyone in an area are selling their properties and and giving to the church and those types of things right, it's pretty obvious what properties are worth and so when it's like here's everything we have you guys weren't this poor.   Pastor Bill: [49:33] You either got ripped off or you lying right.   Pastor Newms: [49:50] Yeah, we do we do sometimes still have the fellowship in the living room at the same time because when groggy is here it's it's zadie groggy in Phoenix and sometimes the girls all in the same room but it would be, nice to I do agree with Sadie that I do miss everyone's face every week.   [50:20] I just realized why, I don't like the design it just came to me it's not equal.   [50:37] That's why you moved a certain way and I went oh yeah that.   [50:48] I just.   Pastor Bill: [50:48] If you say so.   Pastor Newms: [50:50] My OCD doesn't like the fact that there's not an equal number of a Sands because of the word loved.   [51:03] Which is fine because of everything it you know, but that's that's the reason because the shirt crinkled and I went oh.   Pastor Bill: [51:14] It's fully known and and and and and and and fully loved.   Pastor Newms: [51:18] No that's just how many times we have to keep saying it for people to believe it sometimes.   Pastor Bill: [51:24] Seven times if you hear something 7 times before sinks in.   Pastor Newms: [51:28] Yeah but no for the known in Philadelphia but no fully known it but no full enough.   Pastor Bill: [51:37] Then we get the all you mean fully known and still full no no no no don't add words to what I'm saying that's not what the scripture says this is fully known and there is no, still there is a there are yet stills, in the Jewish scriptures in the early New Testament where it says Point Blank we hated God, yet still but it never says you were a sinner and even still no it was you chose sin and still, hmm the message is God knows you fully and God loves you fully, we're not having a conversation about whether or not you're perfect because if you've been listening to breed Manifesto, we believe everyone should be trying to grow and better themselves and no one is perfect period, not as an insult not as a slight not as a try to get out of something trying to get out of saying something no we're not doing that we literally believe everyone should be moving forward everyone should be growing and changing and getting better, Anyway come and join us at Dallas Pride.   Pastor Newms: [53:02] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [53:02] On June 4th what was that face you just made.   Pastor Newms: [53:09] My my my computer did something I didn't want it to and I don't know why but it.   Intro And Outro Music   Pastor Newms: [53:22] It just kind of sideways itself.   Pastor Bill: [53:30] All right well that's all we have for tonight I love you have a great week.   Pastor Newms: [53:37] Be safe out there.   Pastor Bill: [53:38] And until next time.

Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 65 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I'm joined by Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms: [0:12] Hello I am Pastor Newms. Pastor Bill: [0:14] And we are currently in a time of mourning, we've lost someone that was very special to us. His name was Bloodwing. Pastor Newms: [0:26] Gosh we're going to go here right away. Pastor Bill: [0:29] And he has done broke my heart. Pastor Newms: [0:33] Spoiler alert for if you have. Pastor Bill: [0:35] Handsome Jack Must Die. Pastor Newms: [0:37] Um in Borderlands 1 when we were playing through on Gaming With The Pastors, Pastor Bill or Pastor Thete as he's also known played as a character called Mordecai. Mordecai has a pet named blood Wing. Blood Wing is basically, you could view it as kind of a falconer only it's not a falcon it's something else, and he would throw it out and it would go and attack the enemy and it saved our butts on more than one occasion, well when we get to Borderlands 2 all the characters from Borderlands 1 are NPCs, those NPCs are then just story people as opposed to the people that were playing as, so we're playing through it and I knew it was coming and I couldn't say anything because I knew it would be worse if he knew off the front and, really sad knowing what was going to happen and yes Biggs we will get to that in a moment, um so we start the story everything's going well everything's going good we go into an area where Mordecai is, and he's complaining because Handsome Jack who's the bad guy of Borderlands 2, the villain and they do a very good job of making you hate him through the whole story and it just gets worse and worse this is one of the Pinnacle Point. Here, does some scientific experimentation on blood wing and you spend the fight trying to tranq him and save him and you do and then the moment it  happens, Handsome Jack presses a button that blows blood Wings head off, if you were watching which most of you were not because most of you are listening to this as a podcast as opposed to watch, on Twitter live or anything else if you happen to go back and watch that on my twitch there was towards the end of our last stream which was the stream from to, five. There was just silence on Bill side and its really bad because there were some foreshadowing, Bill is like oh man right there is where it says we have to go and there's a red dot which means if we have to fight blood Wing I'm going to get real upset and I was like nah that's not what that is because it wasn't yet, and so he was like okay good and then we move forward and I'm going crap this is gonna suck so bad, and it did and so now, I would fully expect the next week they will be a lot of streaming because Bill wants some hardcore vengeance, against Handsome Jack in so many ways which is really cute to a certain degree because those of us that are hardcore gamers. We've experienced this too many times you get super invested in a character and then it died, I'll never forget there was one game, I cannot remember the name of the game to save my life but it was for the Xbox 360 and it was an RPG and you chose which characters you wanted to play as and I put all my points into this one character and then they just the Overflow points into the others, and in the last boss battle he sacrifices himself and, then I'm stuck with three other characters I can play as that are completely underpowered and, I'll never forget it and, sadly Pastor Bill has just dealt with the loss of a game character that affected him hard and I feel terrible but we will continue playing it, we will complete the story of Borderlands 2 Pastor Bill has been begging me, this afternoon and evening to tell him that we get to kill Handsome Jack to which I have responded and subject story does end, but that is all I said and he is not happy with me but that's okay. Pastor Bill: [4:57] So I found a Borderlands 3 candle today, rose-scented but I didn't buy it it was like 20 bucks that's too much to spend on a. Little candle in the. Pastor Newms: [5:17] Gross so our shirts today with no planning. Pastor Bill: [5:23] Unplanned no planning and we didn't plan that. Pastor Newms: [5:25] Pastor Bill is wearing a shirt that has the Justice League on it and I am wearing a shirt that has Marvel on it, which is pretty much just the Avengers but it's not technically an Avenger shirt so yes, as Biggs pointed out we are sporting the DC versus Marvel which is a Crux of our relationship as best friends for years because Billiam is a DC guy and I am, not so, I believe Marvel is better I will say DC. did a much better job with all of their kids programming than Marvel ever has and they have done a better. Pastor Bill: [6:08] And Marvel's done better with the theatrical then DC ever has. Pastor Newms: [6:11] Marvel's done better with the theatrical and the comics because the best DC Comics were actually done by Dark Horse and Frank Miller and people like that not actually DC Comics in my opinion. Pastor Bill: [6:25] Except for you know the whole Return of the Hulk made-for-tv movie in the 80s where Hulk meets Thor. Pastor Newms: [6:31] That was a bad one that was a bad one that was a real bad. Pastor Bill: [6:36] All right so how was your week pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [6:38] Week was pretty good work is super busy and so that is that is taking up a lot of my time even little more than it's normal, 825 ish time periods which is okay you have weeks that ebb and flow when your salary, and so that's cool played a good amount of games groggy came over this weekend or the best as he is currently logged in on Twitch because, two Twitter accounts. Pastor Bill: [7:12] He's the best around. Pastor Newms: [7:14] So spent today playing a couple of board games. Pastor Bill: [7:18] I reached a little a little too ambitious Lee for that. Pastor Newms: [7:20] You did you did. So they you know it was kind of fun we had some fun I made soup made my potato soup because food with good soup, so yeah it was pretty good how was your week. Pastor Bill: [7:42] Well other than the loss of a friend. Pastor Newms: [7:45] Oh my gosh. Pastor Bill: [7:46] It's been all right there was the snow storm that blew through so there was a lot of time at home, and Gerg didn't have school Thursday and Friday which was nice that meant a couple of mornings that I got to, can I sleep in some except then the littlest one got sick we're pretty sure it's strep throat. Pastor Newms: [8:05] Oh Pastor Bill: [8:09] We're going to take him to the doctor first thing tomorrow morning. Pastor Newms: [8:12] Because he's still not feeling good. Pastor Bill: [8:14] Well he's still got I mean you can visibly see the stuff back there in his mouth with a flashlight so we're going to go see about getting him some, antibiotics or something to try to rush the healing process on that so yeah, so this is what my week has been like which has been, cool I guess other than the sick guy and the you know the death of blood with, um but he always cool having the snow getting to see my littlest one, get snow for the first time at such a young age my my youngest daughter didn't have real snow until she was five and even then it was like half the amount of this snowstorm. Pastor Newms: [9:04] It's Texas snow so it's when it's there's not a lot of it it's not any good. Pastor Bill: [9:09] Yeah but but this was real real real snow like real real like you make a snowball and you throw it and it actually explodes snow not you make is no longer a threat somewhere in there like dude that literally turned into a chunk of ice before it got to me, you literally just pelted me with a big chunk of ice, yeah so that yeah that's how my week was yeah okay so now it's time for getting another pastors, and we are on an odd is that the right word odd. Pastor Newms: [9:45] Are we on and on. Pastor Bill: [9:46] If even if oven. Pastor Newms: [9:50] It's easy evens and odds. Pastor Bill: [9:53] Even some of the right words Wyman Todd. Pastor Newms: [9:54] Yes are you having a stroke. Pastor Bill: [9:58] That happened the other night I could win to go sing the night at song and I couldn't remember the word night and it's the first word of the song and so I was like Nick yeah. Nah. Yeah so that was interesting it was interesting evening okay here we go what characteristic are you most known for. Pastor Newms: [10:29] I don't know, because being known for something means other people know it so I don't know. I don't like that at all. Pastor Bill: [10:50] Yeah you more might say you even hate that. Pastor Newms: [10:58] Very well done very well done very well done good good segment good segment where do you best known for characteristic are you best known for past. Pastor Bill: [11:09] Oh man I'm best known for being overly emotional and unpredictable. And what does your dad say I'm getting old. Is it the gray hair or the Dentures or what is it. Pastor Newms: [11:33] Yes as well as the as well as the way you laugh now is different than it was when you were younger. Pastor Bill: [11:41] I thought our boys left leg. Pastor Newms: [11:42] No you have it like an old man laughter sometimes. Pastor Bill: [12:00] -8 sure yeah. Pastor Newms: [12:03] Haha you're 40 I'm best known on the podcast for three things saying yes that's valid and that comes from before most of y'all ever listened, that that joke came from and then the other thing that I am oh because he's having a stroke because you can't speak. Pastor Bill: [12:22] Stronk. Pastor Newms: [12:24] The other thing I'm very much known for and I joke about this even outside of here which is how far into the podcast, how do I make it without blaming it on the English language. Pastor Bill: [12:38] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [12:39] Or Microsoft for having technical issues I'm blaming it on Microsoft. Pastor Bill: [12:46] I think you're a pretty equal technology blamer you can pretty much pick out the weaknesses in any technology and be like see this is why that's not great this this this this. Pastor Newms: [12:57] Usually it's this is why I hate this particular software. Pastor Bill: [13:03] Trying to avoid that word because we've already covered that aspect. Pastor Newms: [13:06] But I definitely am really good at blaming the English language for things and. Pastor Bill: [13:14] Indubitably. Pastor Newms: [13:15] Even at work often I'm having to blame the English language because the English language just doesn't mean the same thing for people, especially when dealing with software versus heart health care, I'm Healthcare software is very interesting because some of the very same language that's used in healthcare is used in software meaning completely different things and so, there's often communication issues between clinicians provider service people the business and in the markets that we work in and our technical people because the words just mean different things to those people, the same words which other languages doesn't have that issue, you look at German and their words are basically just long explanations for what a thing is so you don't have that issue as much in other languages. Pastor Bill: [14:21] Zener schnitzel well what does that mean it means meat in tube V nurses. Pastor Newms: [14:28] It's it's, not hot dog or sausage because sausage can mean like eight different things here anyway I'm at work I'm becoming known as a food guy. Pastor Bill: [14:46] Oh Pastor Newms: [14:46] Because no not a foodie just a guy that eats food because. Pastor Bill: [14:49] Not a foodie oh. Pastor Newms: [14:52] People will I'm someone who stress eats a lot so during my work day I eat, and so people will be will be in meetings or other things and someone will say something about food and because I love food, I will start talking about food at the other day someone said I've been with the company about four months and just over four months and the one of the people I work with closely a lot because Jonathan didn't you just, derail the last meeting talking about food and I was like look I didn't bring it up I didn't start it. Pastor Bill: [15:33] You mean the meeting we had an hour ago with this same group of people that we talked about this same. Pastor Newms: [15:38] No no it was it was. Pastor Bill: [15:39] There was no need for us to have another meeting. Pastor Newms: [15:41] It was a valid different meaning. Pastor Bill: [15:44] Oh okay. Pastor Newms: [15:45] And that was the funny thing was the only people that were the same on the meeting was me and her, and we're working to different parts of the company but we were the only ones that were the same and so it very much was like yeah I did that. Pastor Bill: [16:01] All right so. Pastor Newms: [16:02] So yeah those are the things I'm known for I guess. Pastor Bill: [16:06] Tonight we're talking about Thomas and I gave you no time to prepare for this I apologize, you asked me yesterday what are we talking about and I said I said I think we're talking about Thomas that's all I told you. Pastor Newms: [16:25] So you can't see it so I've got to tell you you said tonight we're talking about Thomas right. And the best groggy said I doubt it. Pastor Bill: [16:42] When I see it. Pastor Newms: [16:46] Oh you do see it cuz you're in the Discord. Pastor Bill: [16:49] I'm in the Discord yes it was good timing. Pastor Newms: [16:51] So yeah. Pastor Bill: [16:56] That is funny that is comical. Pastor Newms: [16:59] I thought you would enjoy that. Pastor Bill: [17:01] It's a great joke even. Pastor Newms: [17:02] I thought you would enjoy that. Pastor Bill: [17:03] But after tonight you're going to have to stop that. Pastor Newms: [17:06] That is true. Pastor Bill: [17:07] That right there you have stopped. Pastor Newms: [17:09] But I doubt that we're talking about doubting Thomas. Pastor Bill: [17:13] Oh God okay so we're talking about Thomas and yes we and you ask you even ask me which Thomas were talking about and I said the one they call doubting. Pastor Newms: [17:25] Which is an accurate statement. Pastor Bill: [17:27] Yeah that was the only Q I gave you as to the tone of tonight, and what we were you know the one they called outing because I wasn't completely sure myself exactly where this was going, um and Ice us all that out today that's it, probably four hours I think it was just four hours maybe five reading through the commentaries on, John chapter 20 verses 24 through 29, and can assess out where we were going and as I was reading through it I was like oh I see what's going on okay got you, the made perfect sense once I got into the study as to why we were going that direction so let's start with and if you can type this in because on the restream kind of thing is where you type it in that it actually shows up on Facebook, if I type it in a Discord it doesn't actually show up on. Pastor Newms: [18:26] All right so we're going to John. Pastor Bill: [18:28] You're going to John chapter 20 and we're going to read versus 24, through 29 okay and this is the story where Thomas the Apostle now we call them Apostles because they are the 12, disciples who win the Lord said it of My Flesh and drink of my blood they stayed, there were estimated to be about 120 people following Jesus when he gave that teaching, and all of them left except for these 12 people okay so that's criteria number one for being an apostle criteria number two for being an apostle is meeting one-on-one with Christ, after he died descended and then came to Earth to do his post. Resurrection Ministry before he ascended those are the two criteria for apostle Paul, never actually met these criteria even though a lot of people call him the Apostle Paul, um now he did meet Jesus post Ascension but by the strictest definitions of apostle that discounts Paul altogether, John chapter 20 verses 24 through 29, but Thomas called twin now not called twin called Didymus it's a nickname, if you're gonna visit see that see that's the csb I don't often disagree with the csb but when you translate somebody's nickname, into what the words actual definition is I have a problem with that. Pastor Newms: [20:21] Yeah that's a little weird. Pastor Bill: [20:22] Um but Thomas called Didymus. Pastor Newms: [20:25] Although they did put it in quotes. Pastor Bill: [20:27] Yeah they did put it in quotes and then they put a little note at the bottom Greek did he miss tourism. Pastor Newms: [20:35] For all. Pastor Bill: [20:36] One of the twelve was not with them when Jesus came now what he's talking about is Jesus had met with them met with the other 11, on the first day of the previous week, so so the other disciples were telling him we have seen the Lord but he said to them. Sorry, I said to them if I don't see the mark of the nails in his hands put my finger into the mark of the nails and put my hand into his side I will never believe, a week later his disciples were indoors again and Thomas was with them even though the doors were locked Jesus came and stood among them and said, peace be with you then he said to Thomas put your finger here and look at my hands reach out your hand and put it into my side, don't be faithless but belief Thomas responded to him my Lord my God, Jesus said because you have seen me you have believed we're going to talk about punctuation here in a second, because you have seen me you have believed blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe okay. There are some discrepancies between manuscripts and translations on, verse 29 of John chapter 20 is supposed to be punctuated in the King James it says because you have seen me, you have believed semicolon, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe, in the csb it is because you have seen me, you have believed period blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe in some manuscripts The Ordering of the words, lead a good amount of Scholars to believe this statement was, because you have seen me have you believed question mark. Pastor Newms: [22:48] Which is what the Nasby sorry go ahead. Pastor Bill: [22:50] Sort of those yeah blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. Pastor Newms: [22:56] And that's what the Nasby shows. Pastor Bill: [23:00] Because there are some manuscripts in a good amount of Scholars have believed that was the intended punctuation now to be fair again you know. Pastor Newms: [23:09] To be fair. Pastor Bill: [23:11] There was no punctuation in the Greek, it was all in the way that the wording was placed and the way that you know it was the context clues that's where we get the punctuation for our English translations they're not actually there in, the Greek manuscripts so kind of have to guess you know was this a question was this a decorative, now if it was an exclamatory that was easy they just wrote the word or the statement twice, so like when Jesus is on the cross and he says Eloi Eloi, he probably only actually said that once but he probably screamed it yelled it you know with with much Gusto and they were probably just indicating that should be an exclamation point. Pastor Newms: [23:59] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [24:03] Okay, so this is a story where we get the idea of doubting Thomas right he doubted and that's why he didn't have as much Faith as the other Apostles and that's why he, mmm he was hurting from the trauma of what happened and that's why and on and on and on and on okay, and so we hear this rhetoric about all the other Apostles are blessed and you're blessed to because you didn't have to see it, you've just taken it on faith but real quick let's go back to Luke, if you can type this into the restream client for me Luke chapter 24 and we're going to be reading verses 36 through 40 3, and Luke actually tells us what happened seven days earlier when Jesus appeared to the eleven, starting in verse 36 as they were saying these things he himself stood in their midst he said to them peace to you but they were startled and terrified and thought they were seeing a ghost. They doubted that he was really the resurrected Christ. Pastor Newms: [25:29] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [25:32] Why are you troubled he asked them and why do doubts arise in your hearts look at my hands and my feet that it is I myself, touch me and see because the ghost does not have Flesh and Bones as you can see I have. Having said this he showed them his hands and feet while they still were amazed and in disbelief because of their Joy, he asked them do you have anything to eat so they gave him a piece of a broiled fish and he took it and ate it in their presence so going back to John. After knowing what happened seven days earlier when we read, so the other disciples were telling him we've seen the Lord. It's not that they walked up and said we've seen the Lord they walked up and said, we were there we were hiding from the Jews we were about to have dinner we had this broiled fish this Spirit showed up we were afraid of it we weren't sure what was going on it turned out to be Jesus he showed us the holes in his hands the hole in his side the holes in his feet he had us touch him and he is risen and Thomas replies and says until, see and touch. I can't believe that. It's not that he doubted that the resurrection happened or was going to happen. But he looked at the other disciples and he said prove it prove it. So the next time they're up there hiding Thomas is like I'm gonna be there. That's not a doubt that's faith in action. Next time we're next time they're doing that I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be there I'm ready to see, so we can be proved to me Jesus is up put your finger here look at my hands reach out your hand put it in my side don't be faithless but belief. Don't be faithless but believe that's not an accusation or a condemnation, that's a reach your hand out and lifting someone up to you. There's no reason for you to not believe it because it's true here's your evidence it's true all right, um Pastor Newms: [28:29] Now a quick question because I know how much we prepare for this often are you going to touch on the two other times that Thomas is really talked about. Pastor Bill: [28:43] I wasn't gonna but if you'd like to you go for it. Pastor Newms: [28:45] I would so you know we call him doubting Thomas we push that narrative because of this particular story but there are two main times that Thomas is talked about in, actually in John also that I, really shows us also part of who Thomas was and how Thomas operated, and wasn't doubting so in I'll type it John 11, five through sixteen and I'm not going to read it. Pastor Bill: [29:21] So this is Lazarus. Pastor Newms: [29:23] I'm not going to read it verbatim I'm just going to kind of, give you the thing so that way we have time to discuss the rest of the points but in there geez Lazarus is dead and they're like. Pastor Bill: [29:39] Jesus and his followers are in hiding. Pastor Newms: [29:44] They're not there and Jesus is like okay let's go to Judah and the disciples are like whoa will will will. Pastor Bill: [29:51] Where they where he's wanted Dead. Pastor Newms: [29:52] Yeah they're like the disciples are like whoa. Pastor Bill: [29:54] Whoa bro. Pastor Newms: [29:56] Just now the Jews tried to Stone you are why are we going to go back we're going to get stoned to which Jesus gives them an answer you know it's a good answer. Pastor Bill: [30:09] Well he kind of your concerns are trivial. Pastor Newms: [30:11] He gets on to him yeah it's like you don't matter our friends asleep but we got to go wake him up which I love. Pastor Bill: [30:16] Yeah we got better things to do than worry about stonings. Pastor Newms: [30:21] And then Thomas called the twin said to the fellow disciples let us go too so we can die with him. Pastor Bill: [30:29] So we can die with her Jesus gonna go get some we're gonna go to. Pastor Newms: [30:33] Like the disciples like whoa whoa whoa whoa Jesus they're going to try to kill you dude like Homie we can't do the and Thomas is like I'm down let's go so Thomas was, I do this is terrible this is terrible I can't believe my mind even when here but Thomas is Hardcore right here a ride-or-die. Pastor Bill: [30:56] Yeah he's a ride or die man. Pastor Newms: [30:57] Like and as a terrible euphemism for this but hey you know. Pastor Bill: [31:02] It really is but it's the it's the sentiment there for sure. Pastor Newms: [31:05] Yeah and then when we look at the Last Supper which is in John 14, one through seven with so again still John. The Lord's talking about hey I'm going to, I'm going and then I'm coming again and he's given the whole the whole aspect and Thomas is like Lord we don't we don't know what where are you going how do we know the way like how can we follow you, basically and Jesus is like well I'm the way the truth the life no one comes to the father except through me, we've covered that you know in  Christian world forever if you know me you'll also know my father from now from now on you do know him and have seen him and then. Because of that then Phillip is just like show us the father that's enough for us you know and so Thomas is question there, wasn't we, it was again it was him being literally ride or die like okay where we going how we going to get there I'm there with you we got this no problems this is not an issue we're down and. Pastor Bill: [32:33] He was he was basically imma go where you go but if you leave I'm on need a new Navigator because you're the Navigator. Pastor Newms: [32:41] Yeah I'm only following you how do I know who to follow if it's not you. Pastor Bill: [32:46] If you leave. Pastor Newms: [32:47] Literally asking God asking Jesus okay, we get it you got to die we understand you're the Messiah you're going to you're here to save us your great sacrifice has no questions on any of that never had to be gotten on 24, other things like certain Apostles had to like you know becoming the main person who you know, influenced all of church history but denied Christ three times and had, to have Jesus answered the same question like six times so you know we don't see that with Thomas Thomas is like I'm here it's so in my mind. Pastor Bill: [33:33] We opened his mouth when he have something to say. Pastor Newms: [33:36] Yeah in my mind. Pastor Bill: [33:38] It's the only shows up twice. Pastor Newms: [33:41] In my mind, through his his question of I don't believe you is not I don't believe God I don't believe Jesus in this it's I do. Pastor Bill: [33:57] I don't believe I don't believe he's not going to resurrect I don't believe your. Pastor Newms: [34:01] I don't trust you, he was straight so yeah he doubted someone but it wasn't Jesus he had no problem following Jesus literally to the end and then asking him who's next, who do we follow When You're Gone had no problem with that had no problem with the understanding that he was going to go and then he was going to come, no problems he doesn't ask again in these passages that we see. Pastor Bill: [34:31] He definitely had this strong understanding of what was going on we see this idea of let's just go die with him, carried out in Paul's teachings you know for me, to live is Christ to die is gain you see this played out and then he's got this full where do we go and then you see this played out again where Jesus says well who do you say that I am and, and Peter asked we'll where else would we go well this is an idea that. Thomas has been holding onto for a while here Peter you're just now getting here welcome to the party. And then if you'll type in first John chapter 4 verse 1 we have this another idea where, Thomas says I don't believe you, and then we see this play out again first John 4:1 dear friends do not believe every Spirit but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world right so even these people that he knew, had been walking with Jesus with him even though they had this history he looked at them and said I'm gonna need. You to prove the word that you just brought me, prove it okay and so we're kind of on the same topic here but we're pivoting slightly, and let's talk about out deconstruction. Pastor Newms: [36:18] Mmm. Pastor Bill: [36:22] Thomas and deconstruction Thomas said prove it. And waited for the only evidence that he knew was available and how did he know that evidence was available, because they came to me and said we saw him we touched him, he had the holes it was all there and Thomas said I ain't going to believe you until I see evidence of that. Right now we have this whole deconstruction movement, yes I believe it is a movement I believe personally I believe that the same thing that God did through John the Baptist, where he called people to repentance to make way for a move of the Lord and this case the arrival of the Lord, is the same thing God's doing now in the hearts and minds of all these people that are being pulled away from, the religious status quo that's been set up right. And you see all these videos where these pastors are talking down about deconstruction and they're talking bad about deconstructionist and the railing hard on all these things and then you see all these videos by the JC constructionists and when they're not retelling and reliving the trauma, that they feel led them to deconstruction they're telling stories of deeper faith, not all of them some of them deconstruct and they realize they don't believe, which we've already talked about that I think it's better to deconstruct and believe you and find out you don't believe now, then to fool yourself into believing your whole life that you had faith and it having that moment that Jesus talks about where where you know you're like God I did cast out demons in your name I did miniature name and Jesus goes, but I never knew you we never had a relationship better to find that out now than then. Pastor Newms: [38:40] Yeah because that gives that still gives you that time for repentance later that time to find God again. Pastor Bill: [38:48] I celebrate that you have that time, um and then you have these other people that deconstruct and they find this deeper more meaningful relationship with the Lord and a deeper version of Faith than they ever had in the church, and they're more peace and they're more connected with God and there are more love than more biblical Christians because of it, and so I thought it would be nice, to talk about it and it's less talk about it because. You know between us me and you Pastor newms and a lot of people don't know that part of my calling I feel like is to call out the modern Church, call it out for not being this not living up to this. Pastor Newms: [39:42] You definitely do that. Pastor Bill: [39:45] That's part I feel like it's part of my calling and to emphasize faith hope and love to love people love people call out God's church to where it's supposed to be, and love those people at the same time I feel like that's where I am okay so, I made a list of the things that I believe are inspiring deconstruction. From a Biblical point of view. Okay I believe that people are deconstructing because the modern Church, has brought a message of Jesus and faith and the Bible and then failed, to look after orphans and widows like we're told to do in James 1:27 failed, to love God. All of their hearts that have chose children politics in some cases instead and failed to love our neighbor as ourself and chosen lots of other reasons instead, as we're told in Mark chapter 12 and again in Matthew I don't remember what chapter is there Dave the modern church has failed, to submit to governmental authorities President Biden is your president, Romans chapter 13 tells us to submit to governmental authorities and you can argue all day long, that when Paul wrote Romans he didn't mean governmental authorities but go back and reread it because it talks about this Authority being armed, physically armed to physically protect you and to physically punished, those who are evil doers and that's not the church, the church is not physically armed to punish evildoers that's governments that's governmental Authority. Um this one's a long this is out of Romans chapter 12 the modern church has failed to love without hypocrisy failed to detest evil, failed to outdo each other in showing honor, failed to rejoice in Hope failed in being patient in Affliction sales in pursuing Hospitality failed in blessing people that persecute them, sailed and rejoicing with people who Rejoice failed in Weeping with people who we, failed in living in harmony with others failed and being humble instead of proud failed and not repaying evil for evil fails and what I'm doing is what it in doing what is Honorable, in everyone's eyes failed at living in peace with everyone failed and not avenging themselves, failed at feeding their enemies when they're hungry or giving them something to drink when they're thirsty failed at combating evil with good instead of, combating evil with evil the modern church has failed to remember that there is faith there is hope and there is love, greatest of those is love. And I believe biblically these are why people are deconstructing because the modern Church doesn't look like this anymore. Pastor Newms: [43:18] Yeah and I think a lot of it has to do with and I want to be clear to people who might not know, when we say the modern church we don't mean every modern church we mean the church as a whole. Pastor Bill: [43:35] The church we're all guilty all of us. Pastor Newms: [43:38] Exactly the. Pastor Bill: [43:39] A church emulation Christians as a whole we are all guilty because we have failed to hold each other accountable I'm including myself, as a as a Christian as a pastor I've failed to do my part to hold other pastors and other Christians accountable in these areas, until recently no more I will no longer be that quiet voice I'm calling them out I'm calling out we need to love, I mean the. Pastor Newms: [44:09] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [44:10] Is the modern Church all of us all believers. Pastor Newms: [44:14] So there are some that are doing good in some of these aspects, and some of them are so definitely not calling out every individual for every one of these of course because that would be crazy. Pastor Bill: [44:37] And it's impossible to do all of these you would need a you would need a budget the size of I was about to say the name of a church you would need the budget a budget the size of the US government. Pastor Newms: [44:51] To fully. Pastor Bill: [44:51] To do all of these. Pastor Newms: [44:53] But the point is we should be trying to continue there's a lot of churches out there that have. And when I say church is there's a lot of denominations out there that only focused on themselves. Pastor Bill: [45:12] And congregations to. Pastor Newms: [45:13] And congregations that only funded themselves only funded people that came out of them only funded people that worked for them directly and then you've got. Pastor Bill: [45:25] There's like there's a youth pastors of Pastor in Oklahoma on Tick Tock have used to be a youth pastor and he quit because they were saying things to him like, you need to stop hanging out at the YMCA and to administer to those black boys, and only focus on the children of the tithers that come to this church. Pastor Newms: [45:48] And in situations there's a lot of churches now that are working with food pantries that are secular organizations but they're filling the need they can't because they already have the setup. Pastor Bill: [46:03] Why we promote and raise try to raise funds for I personally raise funds for but anyway for the Trevor Project, secular organization lgp lgbtq+ youth can call in for free and get support and help and and help through those issues that they're having emotionally and with fitting in with their environment and all of the pressure they have coming against them and that's literally, the highest at-risk group for suicide in the United States. And so many Christians are just turning a blind eye to it if you truly believe, hey you're supposed to be spreading faith and bringing people to Christ why would you ignore an organization. Helps people live longer and has a reach that you don't have, to literally save people's lives so they have a chance of salvation.  Pastor Newms: [47:11] And you know that's such a big aspect of why. We support organizations like that in situations like that because without a chance, find repentance sadly we know how that ends and so we've got to increase, people's chances to give everyone a shot and that means making sure children aren't starving to death that means making sure people are loved, and and you know sadly not, as you said Bill not every church can do everything but if every Church truly followed the New Testament teachings of taking care of the community we wouldn't have a lot of the issues that we do, Countrywide and worldwide if if churches and Christians tie. Pastor Bill: [48:24] I'm so I'm so I'm so tired of hearing Christians who are steeped in politics complaining about welfare. And then not supporting food banks Ike, don't I just don't get that like if you don't want to pay taxes to support welfare then do your part to change that for the future, raise awareness about food bags raise awareness about organizations that help people with school supplies and and shoes and fill in the blanks where their jobs can't, if you're really that worried about being charged taxes to help people survive, raise awareness for programs that do that so that welfare can be taken out of the equation in the future. Pastor Newms: [49:29] And the failures of the church, is what caused the government to need to step in if the church had not. Not been doing what they were supposed to be doing and taking care of widows and orphans and taking care of single parent families and taking care of you know we wouldn't have needed, a lot of the government programs that the country needs because, we can't and sadly as a quote-unquote and I say quote unquote very strongly Christian Nation, we forsake a lot of the values that are taught in the New Testament, myself I don't like a lot of socialistic programs and the reason I don't like them is not because I think they're wrong, I don't like them because our government Miss manages them and the people who truly need help aren't getting it. So that's what I don't like so that's why a lot of times like, similar I said someone I don't like socialistic programs and they're like oh we don't care about this I was like no I do I just think our government would mess it up, I look at how the government treats veterans and then terrifies me for them to to be in charge of my health care I see how they treat, disabled people on disability and how hard it is to get disability and how hard it is to be able to be funded when you can't work and how much they reject and then it's like well. What are they going to do if I get to that point like so for me that's my issue with our social social programs is they don't do enough for the correct reasons because. Pastor Bill: [51:43] And every but but every church has to have a pretty new Fountain out front never church has to have new carpeting in the foyer and every church has to have, as much money as they ditch the church in the United States brings in, and then spins within its own four walls, if that money was pulled together in cooperation with all believers we could get rid of welfare, because we could the church could be meeting those needs. Pastor Newms: [52:18] And. Pastor Bill: [52:20] Our church buildings would go to crap but God never wanted temples he wanted her heart. Pastor Newms: [52:29] And. Pastor Bill: [52:30] Why are we spending so much money and making temples. Pastor Newms: [52:34] And it's definitely something that and even in that we as Christians individuals. Are failing in so many ways because so often we're not given to our churches and we're not we're only giving to our government and. Pastor Bill: [52:59] We're not even get most of those aren't even giving the ten percent that, the Bible you know in Malachi says you know you should dedicate this part to God most of those aren't even doing that when I even given that 10% of the church. Pastor Newms: [53:16] And and it definitely and this is in no way shape form or idea or thing of saying give us money because, it's not just to be clear on that we are a 501 c 3 we are a church we are we do give two, Ministry other Ministries and other things, the aspect that we're talking about is as a whole we as Christians and we as the church have to step up and stop waiting on someone else to fix the issues. Pastor Bill: [54:02] It's the sitting back and watching it's created a culture, where the church doesn't look like this anymore and so people are understandably and with my support questioning what the church has taught them. And not always finding the answers here and deciding I don't believe that I think I'm going to be an atheist now. Looks like I said. Better now than later. But if your goal is truly the gospel and making disciples and and spreading the word and loving like Jesus loved. It's one of the work that needs to be done a lot of renovation and I don't mean to the to the fellowship hall at your local congregations. Unless you're holding daily dinners they're feeding the hungry and the loss and the homeless and then by golly upgrade them chairs go for it you're doing it right you're doing something right. Pastor Newms: [55:35] There are definitely times where it is needed if your buildings are being used for outreach make sure they look at least good. Pastor Bill: [55:43] But if your buildings are just an echo chamber to pay yourselves on the back. And you're not looking after orphans and widows you're not loving the neighborhood around you and you're not fulfilling Romans chapter 12 or First Corinthians 13. I just I can't I can't with you I just. I'm sorry I have no words I can't play Kate and I can't sugarcoat this it's just not right. So there you go there's my take on Thomas. Pastor Newms: [56:33] Yep. Pastor Bill: [56:35] All right well this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at Seven PM wherever you get podcasts, and if you'd like to join us when we record it live we do that on Sundays at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time we go live on Facebook YouTube and, twitch you can go to our website ekk.house, to find out which Choice which Facebook and which YouTube and then if you'd like to join us on our Discord server so you can chat with us throughout the week or be a part of the chat as well during life because you can be a part of the chat on Facebook YouTube and twitch just right there too then you can send us an email, info@ekk.house that email does go straight to me because you're literally work looking at everyone that works for the church and only one of us worked for the church on days that don't start in son. [57:34] Um and the other one works for the church every day no except for Mondays I take Mondays, yeah send us an email we can get you into the Discord server so you can hang out with us also we have a Ministry we do called gaming with the pastors if you've been here since the beginning of the episode you heard that a little bit about what's been going on this week with Kimmy with the pastures it's just a sad week, um and you can come hang out with us go to Twitch and look up pastor newms and follow their to be notified when we're going live with gaming with the pastors and if you happen to have the game that we're playing and the game supports it then, maybe you can join the struggle and add your strength to ours in the battle for currently Pandora. We shaking your head that's what the game says. Pastor Newms: [58:22] I do. Pastor Bill: [58:24] Pastor Newms has abandoned your struggle. Pastor Newms: [58:26] And I know it is. Stay safe out there. Pastor Bill: [58:27] The enemies around you weaken okay all right I love you guys. Have a great week and until next time.

Pastor Bill [0:02] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 59, of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I am joined by my co-host, Pastor Newms, who's feeling a little under the weather this evening. His body is fighting something off. Thank goodness for immune systems to fight things off.   Pastor Newms: [0:31] Oh no I know exactly what it was, I overate and so it made it gave me an upset tummy that's it just ate way too much food.   Pastor Bill: [0:40] I was you're not sick - sick you just you made yourself sick okay so you were talking about it having eaten too much but I was under the impression you are already feeling bad when you then made the bad decision to overeat but you're saying it's 100% all your fault.   Pastor Newms: [0:56] Hundred percent all my fault.   Pastor Bill: [1:00] That's hilarious all right well there's that we've got. We got Biggs joining us in our Ekklesian House Discord server tonight instead of on Twitch. So that's fun and then we've got Phoenix is here on Twitch why are you making a face Newms did you not know he was on the Discord server. When I was out doing other things okay wow. So we record this episode these episodes live every Sunday at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time and if you're hearing this where you've come across this video on one of the platforms that we share the video to we like to invite you to come join us live, you can see us going live on, on Twitch on YouTube and then you can through the power of typing chatroom technology, join us live if you have something to say you want to disagree with us or you want to agree with us or you want to add something to the conversation, you are more than welcome to do that you don't have, you can't just simply show up and say hey I'm here live and offer moral support we have people that do that that just show up. To show you no moral support that they're here, which is perfectly fine or you could do what Biggs does and judge us harshly and throw up random things like just a second ago he typed in scalloped potatoes. He's probably responding to newms is talking about overeating but. But because of there's a delay between what is actually happening live in our conversation and then by the time it gets to you and then you type it in and it comes back to us there's this little lag you know so we do sometimes it can feel a little random when people post things we got Zaydiee joining us on Twitch he's one of our regulars that joins us, we're glad that Zaydiee's here's that he's also on our Board of Directors for the church that's, fun and Newms on the board and I'm on the board and my wife is on the board and you know what if you want to know who else is on the board you can go to ekk.house/team and there's some lovely pictures of us up there that were some of them taken in 2007 one of them will is set to be taken in 2067 I think is, when that picture is said to be taking us to one of Pastor Newms I had forgotten that I had left that picture up there until last week when we were talking about. Um but it is quite hilarious she should go see old news it looks like, he looks like his dad got really old that's what the picture looks like. And I know you don't know what is that looks like but I did I know what is that looks like and it looks like a very old and tired.   Pastor Newms: [4:27] Yep it's cuz that's why we call him Biggs is because he's just a bigger version of me because I wasn't going to be called Smalls that's.   Pastor Bill: [4:37] You are going to Cali you're killing me Smalls you'd have to put up with that your whole life your whole life we have to put up with you killing me Smalls.   Pastor Newms: [4:44] And I hate that movie.   Pastor Bill: [4:47] All right so other than overeating today how was your week pass.   Pastor Newms: [4:55] Oh she was good um, it was good I let's see I had a short week at work we've course had Christmas Christmas was good we spent a bunch of time over at, Biggs and Grandma glorious house and hung out there both Friday and Saturday so that was good, Phoenix is still over there which is why they're on the big TV there, and my we had a birthday party today for one of the kids friends down the street and that was good and, Sean other than waking up to a.m.   Pastor Bill: [5:57] My week was. Um and really got nothing accomplished had Christmas at my mom's and Christmas at my wife's moms and Christmas at my grandmother's and Christmas here and, yeah so it was it was a getting going and getting going and getting going kind of week, and you know since I cut off, our beginning conversation in the very beginning of the conversation when that music is playing for those of you on the podcast I got the one thing that I asked for, um for Christmas from my mother it's a it's a Nintendo Game and Watch The Legends of Zelda, one they had released a Super Mario one for the anniversary you know and I was like I wish I didn't really want that and then they announced they were gonna come out with a Legend of Zelda 1 and I was like okay I'm going to ask for that, and so I told my mother I want this and I sent her a picture and a link on his through all this stuff and then she took the picture and went into some store and said my son said he wants this and showed the look picture, I'm like I think you a link where you could order it everything that's fine whatever method you want to use is fine.   Pastor Newms: [7:24] Hey it works.   Pastor Bill: [7:26] It works it works so yeah so pretty good week just you know busy busy busy, and Gerg had school on Monday and Tuesday but then Wednesday started his Christmas break so I have not had to get up first thing in the morning you know at 6:30 I do some people don't think that sounds early, but for my body that has become early I don't have to get up at 6:30 in the morning every morning to take him to school until, the day after my birthday the day after my birthday I'll have to start getting up again so yeah.   Pastor Newms: [8:02] Hmm your birthday is coming up.   Pastor Bill: [8:04] My birthday is coming up and it's going to be on a Sunday.   Pastor Newms: [8:08] And you're 49 and a half right.   Pastor Bill: [8:12] I am turning 40.   Pastor Newms: [8:13] Oh so old so.   Pastor Bill: [8:18] 40th birthday.   Pastor Newms: [8:19] So old.   Pastor Bill: [8:21] It's a milestone.   Pastor Newms: [8:22] Old.   Pastor Bill: [8:24] I'm already old.   Pastor Newms: [8:26] That's the new goal for tonight guys we're going to see how many times Pastor newms can say the word old in different ways without Pastor Bill yelling at him so here we go.   Pastor Bill: [8:40] That's funny I'm not old you're old all right so that's our weeks were tonight we're going to be talking we are going to do the you know to get another Pastor so don't worry.   Pastor Newms: [8:54] I was terrified.   Pastor Bill: [8:57] But tonight you know we've had Christmas and we're currently in a tent, don't get shocked I know a lot of you use that events countdown to the beginning of Christmas you got your Advent calendars and you pull out your candy or your, Star Wars toys or your I saw a borg Collective one that was a big Cube that you know panels open up that was pretty cool, there's used to countdown to the start of Christmas but that's not actually what Advent is, so will you know we'll talk a little bit about that tonight but today is the second day of Advent happy second day of Christmas to you sir whereas yesterday was the first day of Christmas the 25th, of December and then there are, Twelve Days of Christmas that lead all the way up to January 5th and then on January 6th is The Epiphany or in some countries they call it Three Kings Day, also to those are of our viewers in Canada though you may be few happy Boxing Day, just wanted to get that in there so I don't know what it means but I know supposed to say that.   Pastor Newms: [10:14] So boxing day is actually a day that the masters of the houses would give to the servants in a wooden box there, kind of Christmas present it would be something they would use throughout the year, but it would come in a wooden box and then they actually would give the bakbox back to the Master of the House so it's actually to give servants gifts as opposed to family and friends.   Pastor Bill: [10:52] But they don't get to keep the Box.   Pastor Newms: [10:54] They don't keep the Box the box is reused over and.   Pastor Bill: [10:57] What kind of thing do you put in the box like.   Pastor Newms: [10:59] So   Pastor Bill: [11:01] Floors here's a scrub brush.   Pastor Newms: [11:03] You're a maid here's a spool of, fabric so you can make yourself a new dress here's a, you know things like that one of the guys on Tik Tok. Said something you know he he pretends to be an old person like old and a person and he opened his box and it was a handkerchief because he always wears a handkerchief so it's something they can use but it's not like. Gifty it's something they can use not just a thing so it kind of would depend on your job and how close you were to the, person giving it to you as far as employment goes and that's their second day of.   Pastor Bill: [11:58] And this is all countries.   Pastor Newms: [11:59] Three day Christmas.   Pastor Bill: [12:01] Recognize the queen still as their Queen right I'm sorry all of you Queen followers I don't understand, doesn't make sense to my brain why this is something that you celebrate.   Pastor Newms: [12:19] Nowadays it's just a shopping day. It was actually for servants not slaves but I mean potato potahto and.   Pastor Bill: [12:29] Potato potahto at this point yeah.   Pastor Newms: [12:31] The yeah things like socks.   Pastor Bill: [12:38] No bigs you never give your house elf socks.   Pastor Newms: [12:42] No not house-elves.   Pastor Bill: [12:43] Or any kind of clothing they will leave they will be free we'll run away.   Pastor Newms: [12:46] No no this isn't this isn't the way.   Pastor Bill: [12:52] That's not the same thing.   Pastor Newms: [12:54] No no they don't get they don't get presents on boxing day.   Pastor Bill: [12:59] House-elves don't think it Boxing Day.   Pastor Newms: [13:00] They don't they don't get but they don't even they don't even get boxing.   Pastor Bill: [13:04] I bet they do I bet they get boxing day that our Master puts on some boxing gloves in his life.   Pastor Newms: [13:09] Okay tired now.   Pastor Bill: [13:13] Use some boxing day all right time for Getting To Know The Pastors. What do you value most in your friends. I say it all the time I value making me a better husband a better father and a better Christian. If you don't fit this category then I don't have time for you that's why I value my friends what news values in his friends, is thick skin and preferably a rotund this image.   Pastor Newms: [14:11] No that's just the requirement for my closest friends outside of the main group of friends you can you can be skinny but the I don't know why but both my best friends are rotund.   Pastor Bill: [14:26] Quite rotund.   Pastor Newms: [14:27] Bill says so.   Pastor Bill: [14:31] And getting Rotunda. Pretenders not aware don't think.   Pastor Newms: [14:41] I don't think it is but that's okay.   Pastor Bill: [14:44] So you're going to answer the question.   Pastor Newms: [14:46] I mean just.   Pastor Bill: [14:54] When your love language is hate you have to.   Pastor Newms: [14:57] I'm not arguing with yours I'm not arguing with yours first, not denying those I think it's really different with every one of my relationships as to what I value that person for each of my relationships are, so I can't give really I know with almost everything in every week that's my answer is I don't have a concrete answer.   Pastor Bill: [15:30] I don't have an answer for this one I don't have an answer for this one.   Pastor Newms: [15:32] But that's that's that's how it is today.   Pastor Bill: [15:40] All right so. Christmas Day Has Come and gone. And people that spam our twitch get banned.   Pastor Newms: [15:52] Make me sit up.   Pastor Bill: [15:55] And yeah how dare they make you sit up and do something you're supposed to be able to sit back and talk you did all your work setting up all this computer stuff so we could go live.   Pastor Newms: [16:08] Ridiculous.   Pastor Bill: [16:09] So ridiculous all right, so the first day of Christmas has come and gone is really what we should say and you know the song that on the first day of Christmas and the 12 Days of Christmas these be this is this is what this is talking about, there are 12 Days of Christmas and, it's also known as Advent it's the time where we're counting down to the epiphany of Christ to the secular world, when we go and we read in Luke to wear, the shepherds are in the field and the angels appear to them and they say don't be afraid because you know if you've read the book of Ezekiel then you know why angels have to say don't be afraid because, either they've got multiple faces some of which are an eagle a lion and a human face or they're this wheel in a wheel with Bunches of eyes and multiple sets of wings that have eyes all over them, so yeah of course angels have to say Don't Be Afraid when they show up because that's some freaky stuff right there. So they show up and they tell him don't be afraid we bring Glad Tidings of great joy, for among you is born yada yada yada now forgive me. My skepticism on what the Angels said but some of the vernacular, that we attributed to the angels in the account and the gospel accounts, are very Christianized language that. Jewish Shepherds in a field probably wouldn't have understood and I'm not saying, that we've changed the meaning of what the angel said but I believe we've changed the language there, to fit what we understand the concepts of what they said not specifically what the angel said but that's neither here nor there, I tell the shepherd's to Shepherds to get up the shepherd's they go and they find Mary Joseph the baby Jesus, lying in a manger and there's been debate over the years on this hole, in issue it's most likely that they weren't actually talking about, an inn like a motel or like roadside you know holiday and they weren't talking about the kind of thing they were talking more likely talking about, they went and needed to stay with family for this whole census thing to prepare for taxation. And there was no more room in any of those families ins in that the part of the home where they would sleep so they had to go down, either, out into the courtyard where they had hewn a manger out of rock that kind of a caved sort of setup or, it was a two-story dwelling where the in would be upstairs and the manger would be actually downstairs in the downstairs portion of the house. And we don't know which it was to where they out you know in the cave out in the courtyard where they downstairs in the house we really don't know what we do know for sure, is this whole idea of renting a room and an in setup like Holiday Inn Motel 6 that's not how things were ran back then, you could go get a room above someone else's home or above a bar or things like this but they weren't really known as ends and they weren't really, the kind of place you would take a pregnant woman especially not in the ghetto which is you know not what Bethlehem is, that's what Nazareth was. And so that's where they came from and you when you come from the ghetto you don't exactly think oh the place above the bar there must be clean and safe. Because not where they just came from that wouldn't be, clean and safe so anyway so there's that and that, is the revealing of Christ, to the Jews that have it. And then. We actually have to fast forward some time there to get to the wise men, the Magi which is a Hebrew word that was applied to Zoroastrians, these are Zoroastrian people who followed the religion of Zoroastrianism, Zoroastrianism started by Zoroaster. These are the people that the the men of the time would call Magi that was a word that was, adopt you know given to the, Zoroastrianism so these These are OSU and show up and according to the prophecies in Isaiah they were a large group of people camels, covered the countryside there were you know lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of these people, and when they showed up, they had been following a star in the sky now we saw this star in Luke 2, when the Angels showed up to the Shepherds and revealed themselves and and the heavens showed us a sign, the Savior had been born. So the Magi followed that star and they go and they talk to her, inherit asks mm well how long have you been following that star and they tell him 2 years, so for two years they've been following this star, that showed up when Jesus was born so then they go out and they find Jesus and they presented with the gifts and then they're warned to go back to home a different a different way, and they sneak out and Herod finds out he's been bamboozled and Joseph has a dream, to flee because Herod is going to try to kill the baby because let's be honest Herod was. Harold was crazy. Certifiably crazy so then.   Pastor Newms: [23:45] Most historians believe that was one of his last acts because at that moment everyone was like okay yeah you're done.   Pastor Bill: [23:57] And you know there's no historical record of um then killing all the babies to and under, at that time because I believe he gave the order and his servants went ya know. Now we're just going to tell him we did that and we're not actually going to do it because crazy but I don't think that was the threat that the angel was warning him of I think Herod was going to keep coming after the kid, so here and thinks he's you know pending in the but you know he thinks he's taking care of it so they leave they go to Egypt okay. All right there in Egypt for a while and people are like we don't know how long they were in Egypt we don't know how long they were in Egypt that's about you know okay so Herod then dies. An angel tells Joseph are you can go back. Herod died sometime between 4 and 6 BC. For those of you following along at home that's four to six years before. We switch to this hole, new calendar system because somebody thought Jesus was born and that's when we should start year one and they were wrong, very wrong and so Herod dies between four and six, BC and they come back well Jesus was already too and they left so we know he's older than, um And so yeah we don't know how long they were in Egypt but by the time Jesus is 12, they've come back home right so so there sometime between. You know two to 10 years maybe is how long that there are 28 years is how long they're in, Egypt meaning Jesus was born probably 8 to 10 BC somewhere around in there 8 to 10 years before, the beginning of the new calendar and then we know, historically thanks to Josephus and things like this that Christ was crucified in 32 ad meaning, Christ wasn't 32 when he was crucified he was somewhere between 40 and 42, um given that the calendar was off but that's neither here nor there either, so right now we're in Advent we're counting down the days to win Christ is revealed to the, and that event is The Epiphany when the Magi who represent all of us who weren't born as Jews. Biggs's on Twitch and saying that they had to have been in Egypt for 10 years if they left when he was two, cuz you're making a correlation between, um the event where Jesus is 12 and they leave him in Jerusalem. And he spends three days in the temple de da but there's no actual scriptural correlation that says, that they came back at the same time as that event they could have come back at any point before that. Unless you know of some scripture that I'm forgetting and I would love to. So if you know the scripture that says that the event when he was 12 he's when they came back, um that would be awesome I'd like to fix the timeline in my brain in there, but the point is the magic came to represent us when Jesus was, and so we have this this thing of the Epiphany that the early church celebrated that was celebrated for, you know on and on and on and on, and when they decided to when the Catholic leadership decided to coops, you'll and saturnalia and all of these things people were celebrating Epiphany already, and they kind of you know saturnalia was the 25th you'll was the 23rd. 22nd or 23rd somewhere under there and they kind of split the difference and said okay well we're going to we're going to slam all this together on the 25th and say, that's the day Jesus was born, even though it was celebrated by the early church at the beginning of April around the beginning of April and I can't say April first because April 1st is based off of the solar calendar, and the early Church use the Jewish calendar which is a lunar calendar and it would kind of float, you know and it wouldn't necessarily fall on April 1st but they celebrated, the birth of Christ around the new year which was the beginning of, now we have our new year at the beginning of January and we celebrate you know the worth of crushed right before January but it wasn't always the case and so. I would like to see an uptick in people celebrating Epiphany myself it's a day to celebrate that, Jesus didn't just come for the Jews he also came for the Gentiles and that is what, I am that is what Newms is that's what most of the world is most of the world, does not have the Blood of Abraham running through their veins which makes us gentiles. Which is also an interesting point that having the Blood of Abraham flowing through your veins makes you a Jew meaning. The Islamic people that can trace their Heritage back to Ishmael are also Jews. You mean Jacob who was the direct descendant of Abraham.   Pastor Newms: [31:18] Right but I thought that was this specific because of that.   Pastor Bill: [31:26] Because Jacob wrestled with God.   Pastor Newms: [31:28] No just.   Pastor Bill: [31:30] And got the name is.   Pastor Newms: [31:31] Because those are the 12 tribes they come from that not Abraham because Abraham had two sons.   Pastor Bill: [31:38] But they only consider themselves blessed by God because of Abraham.   Pastor Newms: [31:47] Okay.   Pastor Bill: [31:54] That's an interesting question though.   Pastor Newms: [31:55] I've always looked at it as as Judah because of, the tribes and the that aspect they trace it back to their they call him the god of Abraham on multiple.   Pastor Bill: [32:11] Hey Abraham Isaac and Jacob we're an Islamic said the god of Abraham Ishmael Isaac and Jacob.   Pastor Newms: [32:21] Yeah so.   Pastor Bill: [32:23] Which Abraham would approve.   Pastor Newms: [32:26] I mean yeah.   Pastor Bill: [32:28] Got even says to Abraham I know your heart, um I know your heart is for your son Ishmael and I will not forget. Interesting.   Pastor Newms: [32:42] They're both blessed just different plea but.   Pastor Bill: [32:51] Okay.   Pastor Newms: [32:52] And there are some Scholars that believe that they were only in Egypt for weeks possibly months not even years due to the fact that, you know the time the way the verbage is of after he had died the angel went to him, that doesn't mean that after isn't the moment, Harold but there are some people who believe it was the moment and that wasn't long after the proclamation because that was one of the nails in his coffin that told everyone, no he really is off his rocker he's got to go so.   Pastor Bill: [33:37] But he died his of natural causes he didn't he wasn't killed which is interesting because in such a tumultuous, region, it was normal I mean that's how he got the position and the name even he quelled an uprising for the Romans, um of a leader that the Romans had put in place to do the job then Herod took, he killed their leader and that's how he got the name Herod and got his position. So   Pastor Newms: [34:18] Funny thing they didn't have toxicology reports back then.   Pastor Bill: [34:21] This is true.   Pastor Newms: [34:22] So I mean.   Pastor Bill: [34:26] This is very true he could have been poisoned too right.   Pastor Newms: [34:28] There's a lot of people who died of natural causes back in the day that there's a lot of questions about that's some interesting timing right there okay cool, no I do agree I think it's really important, that we look at Epiphany you know typically. In our house we do not take down Christmas stuff until Epiphany because.   Pastor Bill: [35:09] Either on or after is fine.   Pastor Newms: [35:12] Yeah because to me that's the reason I exchanged gifts and stuff is because of that not.   Pastor Bill: [35:24] Because of what happened at the epiphany.   Pastor Newms: [35:26] Yeah not.   Pastor Bill: [35:30] That's why I exchange gifts to I'm remembering, the gifts that the the Magi gave to Christ to commemorate that the Savior came not just, for the Jews but also for the Gentiles which is. And you know we live in an interesting time, theologically religiously speaking a very interesting time with so many people deconstructing their faith and so many people leaving the Evangelical Church. And it's interesting to hear, the perspective of atheists and those who have deconstructed and decided that they in their words no longer believe, if you've been with beard Manifesto for any time you know how I feel about the statement of no longer believe, and, the sentiment that I see a lot from atheists and and deconstructionist that have decided, to part ways with their faith is this Viewpoint of sin, as well that was just a controlling mechanism that was fake that was false there's no such thing as saying. Whereas, Paul is very clear that we are slaves to sin at Birth, not guilty of committing sin at Birth slaves to sin, and so there's there is this there is this narrative that we've been taught and told and and been drilled into our heads over and over and over and over again that you know you're just a sinner saved by grace, um and that's, biblically true what's true is you are a slave. Set free by grace and the Bible says it over and over again it is for Freedom that Christ set us free. And we try to talk about that as much as we can on the breed Manifesto that sin, is imperfection and what Christ did on the cross finished the law. And set us free from slavery to sin so now you are free and at the same time. There is sin that has very real in your life consequences that will mess you up, and leave you hurting on the side of the road beaten and Abandoned and poor and loss, and that's the sin we need to focus on taking care of, right the sin that does take you enslaved us you know enslave you and the sin that does leave you hurting and broken. That's the sin we need to focus on and. I'm I feel responsible as a Christian as a Believer for this this narrative that's hurt so many people, I've never really preached it or I'm not even responsible for it. But I'm so sorry to everyone that's been hurt. By this Theology of you're worthless and your Center and you've offended God when the truth is you're a victim. Of someone else's actions. And Jesus came to set you free from the slavery that you found yourself in. I was thinking the other day about I can't think of one instance where someone was in slavery. Where was 100% their fault where they weren't a victim of something. So why would Paul choose that term slavery slaves if he didn't mean to communicate. Victims. Were victims that Christ came to safe and that is what the Epiphany is all about. I was born a slave a slave to sin a slave to the world a slave to fleshly lusts and desires for things that literally will hurt me. And Christ came to set me free, not to say I should partaking the things that the law taught me where sin, no not to say that I can't partake in the things that the law said worse in not that either, but to say that I'm free to do either one and to understand. Just because I'm free to do whatever I want does it mean whatever I want is good for me. Because everything has a cost everything has a price and you have to decide what you're willing to pay, right Smokey has a cost drinking has it cost drugs has a cost, sex with multiple partners has a cost sex with a single partner has a cost now you can do things to try to you know. Skirt that cost and and try not to have the consequences of those actions, and that's your decision to make I mean but certain things have cost they have consequences. So yeah there you go bright and cheery.   Pastor Newms: [42:57] Christmas.   Pastor Bill: [42:58] Advent happy second day of Christmas countdown to epiphany. What is the calendar look like for the rest of the year when is our next our next live recording oh good falls on the 2nd of.   Pastor Newms: [43:20] It's your birthday.   Pastor Bill: [43:22] No my birthday is the 9th of.   Pastor Newms: [43:24] No it's the second.   Pastor Bill: [43:26] My birthday is very much not the second of January.   Pastor Newms: [43:29] Okay well the second of January is the next time we meet.   Pastor Bill: [43:34] A second of January is the next time that we will meet live for the brand Manifesto so if you wanted to join us, um like I said we meet on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, on Facebook twitch and YouTube and you can get on there and be a part of the conversation if you'd like, if not that's fine also this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights anywhere that you get your podcasts. I think I tried as hard as I can to make sure we're, syndicated but man new new Services pop up all the time and so, I have about 99% confidence that he get your podcast there you can get the brain Manifesto there too, so everyone's a night at 7 p.m. is when this comes out also we have a Ministry that we do that's called gaming with the pastors and that's me and Pastor Newms, playing through some games that Pastor Newms loves and wear on his Twitch Channel, and we would like you to come just hang out with us that's where we hang out we don't necessarily talk about, religious things or Christianity we mainly talk about the game or play in or funny things that we heard that week or you know, whatever comes up that's what we talked about so yeah so come join us at any random time that we end up being live on Twitch the way you'll know that we're live on choices if you go to twitch.tv, and you look up is it Pastor Newms now or master named still.   Pastor Newms: [45:19] It's Pastor Newms.   Pastor Bill: [45:20] Look up Pastor Newms on Twitch and follow his Twitch account and that way you'll get a notification when we go live for gaming with the pastor's Big Steve you said that your birthday is a third of January is that true it's his birthday the third of January.   Pastor Newms: [45:35] Yep and he'll be okay.   Pastor Bill: [45:38] Hunter 112 will be 100 Royal there.   Pastor Newms: [45:50] Almost typed in that it was 20 25 let's just throw that out there oh hmm hmm, he is 58 this.   Pastor Bill: [46:02] Nice.   Pastor Newms: [46:03] Old.   Pastor Bill: [46:05] This is the hottest Christmas, um on record for North Central Texas, so I just thought I'd let you know that I've got the AC and all of my fans on in my bedroom because I'm starting to sweat now.   Pastor Newms: [46:23] It was 70 today and at the birthday party we were at there was a person from Chicago and they said they have not had any have not had a single snow yet this year.   Pastor Bill: [46:37] Chicago hasn't had any snow yet that's crazy yeah.   Pastor Newms: [46:40] And it's almost January so yeah.   Pastor Bill: [46:47] All right well we're going to go ahead and cut this off, it's been a good evening I think we got her point across with the. Big city fell asleep he's extremely relaxed so I love you guys I hope you have a great week.   Pastor Newms: Stay safe out there.   Pastor Bill: And until next time.

Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 56 of the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined, by a man who has pretty much had it with me today he is at his wits end of my Shenanigans today.   Pastor Newms: [0:22] I am not, I'm good I'm good.   Pastor Bill: [0:23] Pastor Newms all the way from the state of Tennessee he even had to throw on a Tennessee beanie, to calm himself down we've been having a quite intense conversation most of the afternoon.   Pastor Newms: [0:46] It was an intense it was intense all afternoon just part of the afternoon. And I took my meds let's.   Pastor Bill: [0:57] I took my meds.   Pastor Newms: [0:59] No I'm saying let's be clear because there are times when that's a valid question when I get the mood.   Pastor Bill: [1:04] Take my meds right it all right so how was your week Pastor Newms?   Pastor Newms: [1:33] I did play satisfactory Christmas came out. Yeah, it came out twice it came out they pulled it because it wasn't ready and then they put it back out the next day which was only like a couple hours later I and I worked a bunch. But there wasn't anything eventful the kids are still here we're all in quarantine no one else has gotten sick so beginning of next week everyone is out of quarantine. Not much.   Pastor Bill: [2:15] I'm because all right we wrapped up a story arc in Star Trek and then went into the events that aren't really that crucial from my personal opinion unless you're you know want to, grind a bunch of hostiles which Pastor Newms likes to do, I like to use it as kind of a Down time in between story arcs because I'm all about the story arc stories in in games I like the stuff that you're doing for a reason discuss story behind it's not, do this to get stronger it's do this because they did this and you need to give them you know you need to take revenge on these dogs you know I like it storyline, um and, my I got my car towed to a different shop because the first shop said the problems you have or too intense for our shop, don't actually pull apart engine blocks to do repairs, so you're going to take this to a dealership so we took you to the dealership the dealership was like yeah our standard diagnostic isn't intense enough for what your problem is we're actually gonna have to do the special Diagnostic and that was the last I heard, so Yeah other than that we went to a Christmas parade yesterday that was fun indicator on the Decatur square the Christmas parade indicator has gotten much much longer than back in the day when I was in marching band, um what year is it right now 2021 so we're talking, 21 years ago I graduated from high school the parade has gotten much bigger I marched in that parade for times and it was never that big 20 years ago it was much smaller, most of the floats were handing out candy and well float.   Pastor Newms: [4:14] Were they and where.   Pastor Bill: [4:14] Monster trucks and floats and.   Pastor Newms: [4:17] Were they handing out candy.   Pastor Bill: [4:19] No they weren't handing out candy at all I was gonna get to that, and all but one float or one entry into the parade they have just looked ecstatic to be there they were super happy there was there was only one float that wasn't happy and, as what's say we won't talk about that on the air I just wanted it to be known that that most of the floats were just full of happy people and having a great time and no they weren't handing out candy they were chunking candy into the audience.   Pastor Newms: [4:54] Oh okay.   Pastor Bill: [4:55] In the head six different times.   Pastor Newms: [4:59] Mmm.   Pastor Bill: [5:00] Zero throughout the course of this parade is our long parade three of those however was all from one float and I was like I give up I give up, the candles anymore.   Pastor Newms: [5:14] Stop hitting me in the head.   Pastor Bill: [5:15] Hit me in the head with candy most people were just throwing it at the ground at our feet and it would slide a good amount of with slide under the barrier right in front of us, so that was but it was good it was a really good parade and there were as a bat brain yelled on Twitch most rude, I was probably a good I don't know seven or eight monster trucks they came rolling through honking their horns and revving their engines and read it over.   Pastor Newms: [5:41] Now where they where they really monster trucks or was it just we live in the country so jacked up trucks are a big thing.   Pastor Bill: [5:49] No they were genuine like I've seen some battle damage and I've got big tires and I'm built to too bad with other cars monster trucks it was.   Pastor Newms: [6:01] Just checking cuz I know you know.   Pastor Bill: [6:05] I think one of them had a sign said it was from Weatherford or something like they weren't even local they were just you know coming to be a part of the parade which is cool, um I was fine and then there's a drive-through like display here in Decatur this year called radiance. We didn't know if they were going to charge her for is free and we assumed it was going to charge but we didn't know how much so we pull up to the Little Shack we were like how much is it, and they were like well it's only $30 to get in, but you can also for 20 extra dollars get a small bag of candy for each person in your car and hot cocoa and these cool little glasses see the lights as special shapes, and Roxanne look at me and she was like what do you think and I was like I don't want to pay twenty dollars for a bag of candy I think that and she was like yeah I don't think we're gonna do tonight so into labor were like how do we get out and they were like, I don't know how do you get out and so they had to call their manager and and they were like go this way and the measure walked with the car and was like, yeah we got so many cars coming in right now why don't you just go on to go on through just just go on so we got to go through the, 30 dollar light display for free which was cool, it would actually wasn't that bad it wasn't $30 worth but if they've been charging in like 20 bucks I'd say it was Charlie was you know charged correctly it was it was that level of amount of lights and.   Pastor Newms: [7:36] It was good but it wasn't 30 dollar good.   Pastor Bill: [7:39] Right it was good but it wasn't 30 dollar good at one point there were these three spiders and it was like spiders why are there infinite was like I love the spiders and we were like okay yeah that I get now what they included spiders kids are awesome.   Pastor Newms: [7:54] So I did forget Nissan the Nissan plant here did a thing where you could go to and it was all kinds of lights and they had our stuff and, cookies and all that kind of stuff and my Biggs took the girls there and it was, lights at a factory which was cool I did forget about that I didn't go I had bad Chinese food.   Pastor Bill: [8:22] Yeah so that was my week all right so on Twitter we've got the best 13:17 our friend groggy our little groggy we got a bat, my little groggy.   Pastor Newms: [8:35] My little groggy my little groggy okay.   Pastor Bill: [8:42] We've got a bat brain on Twitch we've got Biggs is joining us on Twitch I'm assuming that means that Mama Gloria is there with Biggs.   Pastor Newms: [8:48] I don't know if I I don't know if I like Mama Gloria that sounds my mama's name is Gloria.   Pastor Bill: [8:57] Mama she go mama.   Pastor Newms: [8:59] Groggy Tales bouncing here and there and everywhere that's that works too.   Pastor Bill: [9:05] It was a different song all together okay.   Pastor Newms: [9:07] Okay I went with Gummy Bears.   Pastor Bill: [9:09] I went to Dragon Tales.   Pastor Newms: [9:11] Oh oh okay.   Pastor Bill: [9:16] Hey stop talking about your mother-in-law saying she's weird Zaydiee that's not cool Zaydiees with us on Twitch, hiya Bat-Brain reminded me we had a date an anniversary date my 16th anniversary was this weekend, are this week yes we are joined by rain on Discord and Phoenix is joining us in the Discord as well, but yeah my anniversary was this week and we tried to have an awesome date indicator, you really did we try to go to Aurora to go to a place called Martian Margaritas which, you know something fun it's an alien, thing there's no little sachet of aliens and it's all built around the Aurora alien story from the 1800's about a, crashed alien ship and this little one of the greys little alien met the townsfolk and and then he tried to leave and they shot his ship down and then he's supposedly buried over and Aurora um about 15 minutes away from my home and so we try to go there but they had closed early, and we rely and then we went to the barbecue place that's right there with it just a little hole-in-the-wall place and they were like we're sold out we're closing up shop now early ourselves because, we had such a rush we're sold out of all of our Meats. So let me try to go to Chili's and the chilies indicator is woefully understaffed right now so there was large crowds of people waiting outside and I okay fine we'll go to fuzzies on the square, got there and there was karaoke running and not good karaoke like this place is not designed for loud noises, karaoke and so.   Pastor Newms: [11:10] Don't they have like mostly like metal everywhere so it would be a ton of reverberation in stuff.   Pastor Bill: [11:16] It's like the concrete floor and the metal walls and then they've got that ornate 10 ceiling structure.   Pastor Newms: [11:22] Yeah yeah okay so it's the same as the other fuzzy so it's not yeah.   Pastor Bill: [11:32] Um and yeah so that was added an anniversary date this year I've been married for 16 years, about that all right well.   Pastor Newms: [11:48] There's some time.   Pastor Bill: [11:51] What that's that's time that's sometime.   Pastor Newms: [11:52] That's time we're getting old.   Pastor Bill: [11:56] Mmm Yeah I mean.   Pastor Newms: [11:58] That's how time works typically.   Pastor Bill: [12:01] That is how time works to.   Pastor Newms: [12:03] Unless you're Merlin.   Pastor Bill: [12:05] Okay we won't tonight we are talking about.   Pastor Newms: [12:26] I think it's cuz we sang the theme song so it's um.   Pastor Bill: [12:32] So he switched over.   Pastor Newms: [12:32] Now.   Pastor Bill: [12:34] I got you yeah so this tonight we're talking about morality and, it's going to be it's going to be a fun night we're going to have fun Newms hates that we talked about this as often as we do, either there's someone listening that needs to hear this conversation or it keeps coming up, I need to hear some learn something or Newms needs somebody needs to learn something because I keep getting prompted to talk about this and I'm not, immune to needing to learn things so it could very well be that Pastor Bill is the one, needs to be hearing about this conversation over and over again so we'll see or we may not see but anyway alright so it is time.   Pastor Newms: [13:24] Dude if we talk about it it just a little bit of time again.   Pastor Bill: [13:27] And it's time for getting to know the pastors and pastor newms already had his card pulled and what does it say pastor newms.   Pastor Newms: [13:38] Interesting if you could be anywhere in the world world for New Year's Eve this year where would you want, where where would you most want to be.   Pastor Bill: [14:03] Anywhere in the world all.   Pastor Newms: [14:06] And groggy is in two places because he wants to be here.   Pastor Bill: [14:11] Groggy wants to be with you for New Year's Eve.   Pastor Newms: [14:13] And you know groggy that could actually probably happen if you're wanting to be with us for New Year's Eve just.   Pastor Bill: [14:22] Beef New Year's Eve.   Pastor Newms: [14:22] Hit up Zaydiee because you know I don't plan things so talk to her I personally my favorite place to be New Year's would be, right here at my computer because that's where I like spending most holidays but. There's I don't like to travel a lot rain would like to be given a castle and a fire-breathing dragon and then be there.   Pastor Bill: [15:07] I have no special place I'd like to be.   Pastor Newms: [15:11] I think you should come to Tennessee to we can all just be here for New Year's it's an expensive driver though.   Pastor Bill: [15:22] Everything's expensive travels, breathing is expensive.   Pastor Newms: [15:28] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [15:29] Phoenix says she wants to be with the doctor do you have a death wish.   Pastor Newms: [15:33] You're not on not around holidays.   Pastor Bill: [15:36] The doctor and holidays those are bad times to be.   Pastor Newms: [15:41] Those are always sad I Don't Want to Be Right.   Pastor Bill: [15:44] Cool Spacey stuff until some cool spaces Dove eats you, the doctors like I tried.   Pastor Newms: [15:56] Because Phoenix has bad luck she would get eaten straight up like or just get left accidentally like oh we forgot about her, actually started.   Pastor Bill: [16:14] I would probably get assimilated into a Cyberman who then got captured and turned into a Dalek and so I'd be just as horribly, disfigured and tortured Soul we're running around the Galaxy yelling assimilate or exterminate assimilate or exterminate just as long as something.   Pastor Newms: [16:47] One of the little cyber mice you get turned into them.   Pastor Bill: [16:50] Oh yeah.   Pastor Newms: [16:50] Steve enough genetic material left to all right. Maura.   Pastor Bill: [17:05] We didn't really get to know much about us buy that card but that's fine.   Pastor Newms: [17:08] We didn't we didn't do you want another one.   Pastor Bill: [17:11] Sure. How would I would end up with a hole in my forehead I would end up with the the snap in my the little porthole would open to suck up information.   Pastor Newms: [17:31] What is the greatest lesson in life you have.   Pastor Bill: [17:41] Um To put more effort into the relationships that I have while I have them, instead of later regretting not, saying yes to that certain thing not preferring someone else in that situation over myself, because all of my regrets all of my regrets stem from I was selfish in that scenario and it hurt that friend or I didn't do enough for that friend and that happened or. What about you Pastor Newms.   Pastor Newms: [18:52] Compound interest is important. Yeah something that everyone should remember much more than we do.   Pastor Bill: [19:12] Compound interest ruins lives.   Pastor Newms: [19:16] And saves them.   Pastor Bill: [19:19] If you're if you're lucky enough to get on the right end of that.   Pastor Newms: [19:33] Is compound interest is more important than short-term gains sometimes.   Pastor Bill: [19:42] Then he says what ah that was loud.   Pastor Newms: [19:45] A nice.   Pastor Bill: [19:46] Um I don't know what was that he saying what about Bizet he's saying what.   Pastor Newms: [19:50] It's pricing what to what I said.   Pastor Bill: [19:54] About compound interest.   Pastor Newms: [19:56] Right cuz, it's both bad and good depending on like you said which side you're on.   Pastor Bill: [20:10] Bad if you're the lender or if you're the the borrower good if you're the lender.   Pastor Newms: [20:27] Compound interest is the interest that happens when you're getting interest on interest so if you have a bank account and you give an interest and you don't remove anything the next interest is compound interest, the on a loan if you don't make your payments correctly and when you're trying to pay off interest and then you're getting interest on interest so compound interest is can be painful or can be great.   Pastor Bill: [21:05] Said he's like okay that's I just it's huge.   Pastor Newms: [21:09] I said Never mind already.   Pastor Bill: [21:11] Because I had never mind. All right so. Morality.   Pastor Newms: [21:23] Let's start with the verse.   Pastor Bill: [21:26] Let's start yeah let's started in Romans chapter 5, let's start in verse 12 put that in the chat Romans 5 verses 12 through, 13 the, silly goose all right therefore just as Sin entered the world through one man and death through sin in this way death spread to all people because all sinned, in fact sin was in the world before the law but sin is not charged to a person's account when there is no law, now Paul Paul has some, you know multi-sided things that are going on here in this conversation, because he says nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses even over those who did not send in the likeness of Adam's transgression he has a tap of the coming, but also if we go back to Romans chapter 2. That's romance to not 20 12 and we're looking at.   Pastor Newms: [22:53] Twelve you can start at 11 technically and no because it starts with a for you want to start with a 4.   Pastor Bill: [23:02] Twelve through, that yeah 16 because newms wants that 16 to be in there pretty bad so yeah you were advocating for that to be the actual scripture book.   Pastor Newms: [23:21] No yeah you're right here right.   Pastor Bill: [23:24] All who sin without the law will also perish without the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law for the hearers of the law are not righteous before God but the doers of the law will be justified, so when Gentiles who do not by Nature have the law do what the law demands they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law, they show that the work of their love the law is written on their hearts, their Consciousness has confirmed this they're competing thoughts either accuse or even excuse them on the day when God judges, and what he's judging is because I split that when I should have put it in my the way I was reading it when God judges what people have kept, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus Paul Same Day Gospel he's preaching through Christ Jesus, and that's a big thing for policies he says it again later as you know if somebody comes and tries to teach you a gospel other than what I've brought you, then you need to flee their they're trying to trick you they're trying to lie to you either. So that's that's really confusing Pastor names you want to break that down for us he uses that word law several times back and forth and back and forth and so breakdown this, Romans 2 12 through 16 for us so we can understand what is Paul saying here, is he says he talking about one law to lost three lot what is he talking about.   Pastor Newms: [25:03] So in this he's talking about at least two, basically the law that he's talking about, in the beginning is the law that was given to Moses so, the book books of the law so those who sin without the Bible, the books of the law those those five main books will perish without ever knowing those five books and those who, I have sinned under the law meaning they know the books and the they, will be judged by those books okay.   Pastor Bill: [25:52] Okay so pause so you're saying when we get to the Judgment at the end and our life is laid out in front of us we're going to be judged by separate.   Pastor Newms: [26:14] The hearers of the law are not righteous because we break it but the door the laws will be justified so to me the people who are trying, and in following the rules will be justified, and in that at the point we are now is also the third law which is the law under, Jesus which is the law that then can do justification because the books of the law cannot justify. The Gentiles who do not have the books of the law do what the law demands because that law was also written on their hearts and their Consciousness has, you know it's kind of that whole thing where there are you know most of the Ten Commandments it's not humans naturally know these are, good and bad right or wrong.   Pastor Bill: [27:21] Find that play out all over the world every culture we find these basic.   Pastor Newms: [27:26] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [27:28] Ten agreements that everyone can agree upon these things we should do.   Pastor Newms: [27:35] Yeah aside from the ones specifically about God but yes the overall.   Pastor Bill: [27:44] Side of being raised in a theistic Evangelical culture most people just naturally look at the heavens and go I yearn to know who made that.   Pastor Newms: [28:00] I agree, and then you know when God judges he's going to judge based on what people kept secret so there's three laws that are talked about throughout their in my opinion of what each of those mean.   Pastor Bill: [28:20] How you used the word justification now that is not the same thing as being found innocent. You can still be found guilty and then someone look at your actions and go yeah I understand why you did that, but you're still guilty so Justified justification doesn't mean you get a free pass it means.   Pastor Newms: [28:47] So that the Greek word is a word.   Pastor Bill: [28:51] Is it work.   Pastor Newms: [28:53] Dik Al no I oh oh and it means to render just or innocent, so it's it's to regard as to make innocent the justification process is not hey you are innocent it is to make someone, or regard them as innocent.   Pastor Bill: [29:20] Except we both know that what Paul actually means is Christ fulfilled the law and the only way to actually be justified by following the law is to follow the law of, so and I'm trying to break this up this way because I want to establish, all the ways that we agree and where we come to the point where we're completely is sabbatical simpatico, and then if anyone's ever listen to bring my Manifesto at any point they've already heard my hot take, on all these issues, and so this is you know this is where we are all right so when when he says in Romans chapter 2 verse. 15 the law is written on their hearts and he's not talking on the hearts of the Jews Like Moses was talking about in Deuteronomy he's talking about everybody everybody has this law.   Pastor Newms: [30:32] I mean I mean it plainly says Gentiles and then it's they they they that you know.   Pastor Bill: [30:41] And so at what point did that law become written on the hearts of mankind.   Pastor Newms: [30:51] I would assume based on what we understand from scripture that it was written at the time of eating the the from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, I think most people would agree with that.   Pastor Bill: [31:10] Most people would agree with theologically allergens would agree with that most people are right on with that agreement that we receive the knowledge of Good and Evil we received a knowledge of the basic law, when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil now we had a conversation earlier that I've never had any with anybody else before, and you put it in a way where it's never I've never had anybody say to me before and I knew I had a head knowledge, of the concept that you were talking about but no one had ever articulated it this way to me before.   Pastor Newms: [31:49] Which you took a minute to get to the articulation let's be clear this is was not I did I didn't just come up with it on the Fly and it took a minute of travel no.   Pastor Bill: [31:58] No you just wasn't just like you were like I'm a Wordsmith and I'm just gonna pull this out of my butt and it's going to make sense you were talking about Sin, before the fall of Man, so can you.   Pastor Newms: [32:17] So there.   Pastor Bill: [32:23] Start with I was raised.   Pastor Newms: [32:28] Yeah there were times in the past that I was under teachers and what I was taught was that sin entered the world when the fruit was eaten.   Pastor Bill: [32:42] Now pause because you just quoted Romans chapter 5, verse 12 however Paul then puts a stipulation which is verse 13 He says when in fact, now go ahead.   Pastor Newms: [33:01] Sin was there already the fact of not being perfect was already in the world and we see this in the fact that, the eating of the Apple which yeah sorry I've tried to say fruit every time it's obviously not an apple that irritates me so.   Pastor Bill: [33:35] Literally could be an apple of all of the fruits in the world apple strawberry watermelon the these things it couldn't have been because they didn't exist that far.   Pastor Newms: [33:48] It could have been a special breed like a golden apple that don't exist anymore it could been special you see.   Pastor Bill: [33:55] So a lot of a lot of theologians believe it was a pomegranate, and one of the reasons they believe this is because there's a lot of art deco, that shows a tree of life and another tree that is represented as a pomegranate tree going back several thousands of years, and also whenever we come across descriptions of asherah poles they're always described as having, on them yeah and so a lot of theologians have come to the conclusion that it must have been a pomegranate, that was representing the, the knowledge of Good and Evil on this tree not necessary that all pomegranates were evil but that this one particular tree grew.   Pastor Newms: [34:53] Mmm cross pollination is weird sometimes but, Adam when he relayed the law, he related incorrectly the only law that had been given at that point was.   Pastor Bill: [35:12] Mmm law Loosely law.   Pastor Newms: [35:13] Laws yeah Loosely law was don't eat of that fruit to which Adam then turned to newly created Eve and said don't touch that tree it'll kill you.   Pastor Bill: [35:26] Don't eat or touch.   Pastor Newms: [35:28] Yeah eat or touch don't even touch it if you touch it you're going to die which of as we all know is how Satan was able to twist. I must have English you didn't twist English because just need to be traced because it's a horrible language.   Pastor Bill: [35:50] Now in the now in the original it doesn't actually say that it is Satan, um that is an idea that comes across an English translations of the New Testament when the authors refer back and say, um the adversary say Tanis in Latin the adversary, inhabited The Serpent and went and talked to Eve and we then you know, apply that to being the devil being Satan being in the serpent now and in the text just says the serpent I don't want I don't want people who are legalistic you know to, the message of what we're saying because we use a colloquial list word that we've just gotten used to saying oh yeah the serpent was Satan and then they reject the whole concept because, we didn't cross our T's and Dot our eyes and what we're saying so the surprise.   Pastor Newms: [36:49] Satan.   Pastor Bill: [36:51] You could say a Satan that would be correct the serpent didn't have to lie to Eve because Adam had already lied to her.   Pastor Newms: [37:01] And we know they were already naked and they immediately afterwards were afraid whether or not they felt shame is upto debate.   Pastor Bill: [37:18] We infer that they felt shame because of the last verse of chapter 2.   Pastor Newms: [37:24] Yeah that they didn't feel shame for being naked and then magically they were afraid so we assume it's because of Shame if you can tell we've had long discussions today.   Pastor Bill: [37:35] We had long discussions today.   Pastor Newms: [37:38] So um so because of that the, we know there were things that were not considered perfect that were happening before the fruit was eaten.   Pastor Bill: [37:55] Because we've done extensive talking about the word sin literally just means imperfect it literally just means you're not perfect if you create a giant Jade statue and there's one Nick in it, that's it but that's in doesn't automatically ruin the whole statue.   Pastor Newms: [38:22] Like the best frigerators are ones you buy from the scratch and dent place because, they have a little Dent that you're going to slide in anyway but it's half the price so scratch and dent is all you know doesn't necessarily mean, that's a dumb analogy but it's what came through my head so that's what you get.   Pastor Bill: [38:44] And this is what Paul is talking about in the New Testament when he says that Christ redeems us from the laws of sin and death. The law of sin came or an understanding of the existence of the law of sin came when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and the law of death came when Moses brought his law when God gave the law the that law to Moses That's the Law of death. Why do we call it the law of death we call that the law of death because God said hey do these things so death won't come as quickly. That's that was the whole point of the law was you guys are dying left right and Center let's let's Institute some logical steps to keep you from dying so much, stop doing this stop doing that start doing this start doing that stop eating those dang pigs you don't know how to cook them right to keep yourself from getting sick, stuff like that.   Pastor Newms: [40:07] Stop touching dead people and then touching your.   Pastor Bill: [40:11] Stop yeah stop touching dead people what stop.   Pastor Newms: [40:13] You can't see pathogens but they they're they're stop touching.   Pastor Bill: [40:19] Stop pooping inside your homes go do that outside the camp.   Pastor Newms: [40:23] And let's be clear that's not because they didn't hit that not just because they didn't have indoor plumbing because I poop inside my home but it's because I have indoor plumbing.   Pastor Bill: [40:34] The indoor plumbing takes it away they didn't have any.   Pastor Newms: [40:36] Well most of the time.   Pastor Bill: [40:40] They tell us they didn't have anything to just take magically take it away.   Pastor Newms: [40:44] It's yes exactly.   Pastor Bill: [40:45] Just sat there and infected the made them say, so what I've what I've the way I have come at it is that I've equated, the knowledge of Good and Evil with morality, and I've stated that having that knowledge of Good and Evil is what corrupted, Adam and Eve and their descendants that morality is corruption, and I've gone on to then say if you're using morality as a weapon to beat someone over the head, then you are literally embracing the very thing that caused God to say well man can't live forever because now they're going to be Little P bags like this guy. And on that point we've agreed you shouldn't weaponize morality, in between the two Newms and I don't agree on the specifics of what is morality what is ethics and, is it morality they gained when they ate the fruit or not and so, I've said my point of view extensively over over history and Pastor Newms today it was trying to explain you know where he's coming from and the way he sees it, and I think I'm I think I understand the way you see it at this point I don't think I have any hole so I'm going to try to express what I've learned about your point of view today.   Pastor Newms: [42:42] Okay let's see.   Pastor Bill: [42:47] And you've done a good job of already basically already stating a lot of the stuff that I'm about to say but you know we're recapping, Adam and Eve already had some sense of morality, they already knew some things are good some things are bad because God said don't eat the tree that's bad, and you can eat the other fruit that's good, already had some sense of morality, when they ate the knowledge of the tree of Good and Evil they then have the understanding and the knowledge of the law and understood not good and bad but right and wrong.   Pastor Newms: [43:34] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [43:34] So some things are good for you if some things are bad now we understand right and we understand wrong.   Pastor Newms: [43:40] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [43:41] Which is another facet of morality but, you can't just blanket statement morality over the situation because there was some sense of morality there before, and it wasn't like they just gained morality they already had it they gained a new facet and a new understanding.   Pastor Newms: [44:03] That is my belief yes.   Pastor Bill: [44:05] Of morality and in that then they had to suffer the consequences, of the knowledge like Paul says without the law there is no consequence, um so then that first consequence was we've always been naked and now we believe that to be wrong. So then they made Nathan's for themselves. Nathan it's the correct word, even even your King James Bible is translated today is translated wrong the word apron replace the word napron around the 1800s the late 1800s it was a napron, and because people began lazy other people thought they were saying an, apron but it is a napron. That people are lazy. A pronoun is a word that didn't exist until people got lazy and decided to not learn that it was natrone not that it wasn't a neighbor and they assumed it was an apron anyway, um and yes words have words changed meaning and they blah blah blah I get it I do but it is fun to say napron okay so I made the aprons for themselves, and they hid from God because they were afraid they weren't afraid of God before, before they had this knowledge of Good and Evil when God would show up they would just go oh hey it's god let's go hang out.   Pastor Newms: [46:13] Uh-huh.   Pastor Bill: [46:14] One-on-one in his presence and once they had this knowledge of Good and Evil they were afraid to enter into his presence there was a separation. Spiritually they did die, right because I became separated from God their innocence like like a child has innocence that guide for sure.   Pastor Newms: [46:51] Well in one of the things that I found that I hadn't read before was, in Genesis where it says when the Lord's actually saying it it does not say you will die. Depending on the translation it will it says certainly or surely, die so it's not that even according to the translations we have, God didn't say you will die it said God said you will certainly die meaning, yeah now because you ate it you will certainly die when before there was a question of will these guys die, is how I take that verse and that is Genesis 2:17 that I'm referring to that I had not, paid attention to that one extra word that's in each of the three translations that I'm using, to show I just typed it yellow I misspelled Genesis.   Pastor Bill: [48:29] Yeah it's, it's worthy of death. The actual word like pulled out of context and just, the word itself is to be worthy of death to be as if you were dead to being as good as dead too and it actually has the word twice meaning it should actually be an exclamation point, at the end of the sentence instead of a period.   Pastor Newms: [49:02] Because it smooth smooth move move not just smooth.   Pastor Bill: [49:10] And for some reason the translators decided to just put a period there instead of an exclamation point even though that's like one of the first things you learn when you're translating Hebrew and Greek is if they say a word twice, that's emphatic that's an exclamation point in Modern English.   Pastor Newms: [49:28] Yeah life is fun.   Pastor Bill: [49:33] And then and then and then, after they do eat it God says well now we need to stop them from continuing to eat from the tree of life because if they do, they're going to live forever in their current state. Slaves to the law of sin. Borrowing from you know New Testament axioms.   Pastor Newms: [50:16] Which you know when you when you look at it is not. Necessarily part of the punishment that, is Mercy its after the Lord makes them close, it's after the punishments are done that he says since man has been like one of us knowing good and evil he must not reach out and take from because, God didn't want us continuing to live imperfect where we could not die and would not die to at some point become you know our perfect selves, in the afterlife because we wouldn't have had an afterlife we would have been stuck separated from God forever so.   Pastor Bill: [51:18] Well they were already imperfect but they were imperfect without, but now that they have the knowledge of Good and Evil now that imperfection sticks and.   Pastor Newms: [51:32] It mocks it up yeah.   Pastor Bill: [51:33] And and damages your DNA and passes on corrupted DNA and then we get people born with diseases and deformities and you know.   Pastor Newms: [51:56] Yes groggy we are damaged goods now.   Pastor Bill: [51:56] Yes gravity says we're damaged goods and just like the book of Hosea. God likes him some damaged goods.   Pastor Newms: [52:09] Really Hosea.   Pastor Bill: [52:11] Yeah I was at where God tells Hosea.   Pastor Newms: [52:13] I ain't I I know.   Pastor Bill: [52:14] Make yourself go on your make yourself that whore, because she's gonna cheat on you she gonna do you wrong she's going to run around and then you're going to pursue her and she's going to come back to you just like I will pursue my.   Pastor Newms: [52:33] You're not wrong it's just we went to Hosea.   Pastor Bill: [52:38] We went to Hosea no I zadie says no I won't I don't know what she said is she saying she won't go marry a whore as I was just I don't know I don't know.   Pastor Newms: [52:47] I don't understand what she's saying I know I won't too.   Pastor Bill: [52:52] Jose tea.   Pastor Newms: [52:54] I'm confused.   Pastor Bill: [53:02] That's fine all right sounds like a fun time Groggy says. All right so go read Hosea thats your homework for this week.   Pastor Newms: [53:19] No it's not has not the homework for the week.   Pastor Bill: [53:23] Well we will be talking about whores next whores versus sluts next Sunday it's sure to be a good time so.   Pastor Newms: [53:29] No no.   Pastor Bill: [53:31] Tune in at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard.   Pastor Newms: [53:33] Seriously hope we are not going to talk about thoughts next.   Pastor Bill: [53:34] Sunday to join us live we thought says exactly what next week's episode titles going.   Pastor Newms: [53:40] I know it.   Pastor Bill: [53:44] So if you want to join us live on Sunday evenings we do me, on Sundays at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time and it goes out live to Twitch YouTube and Facebook if you want to go to eat cake a DOT house you can find out which which which, Facebook in which YouTube channels you can join us live at and then you can participate in the chat and join us in the live conversation the way that zaidi and groggy and Biggs and Phoenix have, and a bat brain, sorry I'm trying not to burp over here on into the microphone so it's making my voice cut in and out, so come join us live we have a good time most Sundays and we try not to argue too much because that gets annoying to watch when we're just sitting here arguing back and forth we try to keep it, pretty light and have a good time but we're only human Rife with imperfection.   Pastor Newms: [54:48] And I love arguing sorry.   Pastor Bill: [54:51] So join us some Sunday we'd love to have you be a part of the conversation ask questions energetic to tell us we're wrong that's all welcome, fuels the conversation it's good fun, um and you can listen to this podcast anywhere that you listen to podcasts it comes up on Wednesdays at 7 p.m. so I'd encourage you to go back and look at the scriptures that we talked about, decide if you know where on the Mark or if we've missed the Mark here and what you you know, thank your you're seeing here and what you believe about these theological topics but remember that what what binds us together as Believers is that we believe, Jesus came as a man, died on the cross to deal with the law of sin and Death on our behalf fulfilled every jot and Tittle of the law to bring us salvation and that's the state that we live in now, is that state of Salvation so. Yeah and that's one of the things that Pastor Newms said earlier today he was like I hate this topic because it doesn't matter it isn't one of those things that matters and I'm like you know that's true but I, I can't fight this function that this is what we're supposed to talk about today so this is what we talked about and I feel like I learned something got some new insight on to, this topic I don't know if anybody else did but I certainly feel more knowledgeable here at the end of the day so that's good, it's always good to learn and grow and become, a better person and that's why I keep someone like Jonathan around me I have this rule that if you don't make me a better husband a better father or a better Christian then I ain't got time for you, and so that's why I spent a lot of time with Pastor Newms because he challenges me and all three of these areas and so, you do not all the same time and not all three everyday but you have no lack of challenging me in these three areas. Have a great week, we love you guys.   Pastor Newms: Be safe out there.   Pastor Bill: And until next time…

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Pastor Bill: [0:05] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 53 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms, I'm in Texas, he's in Tennessee. Were you saying it's cold in Tennessee right now.   Pastor Newms: [0:24] Um it is it's chilly he don't want to say it's cold but it is chilly. It's jacket weather for normal people I wore long sleeves today can't you tell.   Pastor Bill: [0:43] Yeah I see that, ABatBrain on Twitch asks, "But what does bussin mean? It means like delicious, like it tastes good.   Pastor Newms: [1:01] That's not what that means but okay.   Pastor Bill: [1:02] It is, that's what Gerg told me. We got Biggs and Phoenix and Zaydiee and ABatBrain all joining us on Twitch. If you're listening to this and you've found the podcast or your you are reading the transcript somewhere we would love to invite you to join us on Sunday evenings... are you seriously pulling up Google to check what bussin means - delicious as if I didn't check it after my son told me that's what it meant. All right so we want to invite you to join us on Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time when we record this podcast live. We do so almost every Sunday there are times when we don't like on Halloween, myself and Newms' family consider Halloween to be a family holiday and so we spend that time with our family instead of recording a live podcast with our lovely online audience on a regular here, we have it set up where you can watch it live on YouTube, Twitch, or Facebook and interact in the chat, questions or comments or concerns or you just you want to argue about you know the meaning of the scripture or something like that as long as we keep it respectful of each other and we're on topic. Within reason, you know sometimes we get off topic that's fine then you're welcome to join us you don't even have to be a believer you can literally come with honest questions and we'll give you as honest and answer as. Sometimes the answer is I don't know then you know that's an honest answer to... Newms will you please stop the badunking in my ear sending me private messages on Discord?   Pastor Newms: [2:48] I don't know what you're talking about I'm not sending private messages in Discord to prove you wrong because you are using a word that does not always mean food is delicious no not at all not even a little.   Pastor Bill: [3:13] Cool so ABatBrain on Twitch is talking about it's a Bat Newms, Biggs talking about there's a Bat Newms because the Newms is wearing a shirt with gray and black, and the sleeves are gray and the the chest area is black with a yellow Batman symbol on it very reminiscent, not quite of the 60s Batman, you know not the TV show but reminiscent more of the Dark Horse Comics Batman style so it's a nice.   Pastor Newms: [3:49] And actually the arms actually say dark night yeah so I would say it's definitely Dark Horse.   Pastor Bill: [3:57] If you're looking for the spirit that Batman was intended to be written in go a Dark Horse Comics. If you're looking for the, fluffy I never kill anyone (Said in a low toned scruffy voice) Batman then you're looking for DC, if you're expecting the I never killed anyone Batman when you get Dark Horse then you've gone to the wrong. I guarantee you you're in the wrong.   Pastor Newms: [4:20] Yes you're you have downloaded the wrong comic. Now it's there's there's lots of different iterations of lots of different characters and this is definitely the darker version.   Pastor Bill: [4:41] All right so how was your week Pastor Newms?   Pastor Newms: [4:44] Um my week was pretty good, it was pretty bland. The time changed last week and I am one of those individuals that is extremely, affected by time change I. My my internal clock rules a lot and so would that time changes you know all of a sudden, I'm up at 4:00 a.m. but not out of bed and tired at 9 and you know, starving at 9 a.m. and it's it was just messy and I I don't like it and so I slept a lot because I just. I don't like the time change and it messes with me hardcore so I suffer a lot, and worked a bunch and slapping played Star Trek that's that's really it I didn't even do much other games just because. I was tired cuz I don't like the time change how was your.   Pastor Bill: [5:57] I like this part of the time change when we go in Daylight Savings Time versus. The other time.   Pastor Newms: [6:13] Well it's all daylight savings it's.   Pastor Bill: [6:14] Fall clock instead of the spring clock when we Spring Forward an hour I feel like I'm a Zombie for like two months trying to catch up never able to get enough sleep, but when the clock Falls backwards I instantly feel energized and like okay I'm ready to take on the world now, from the moment it happens I'm just like cool let's do it and then in the spring when there was spring forward I'm like. Can I can I can I buy a vowel.   Pastor Newms: [6:48] If I'm not mistaken if I'm not mistaken this is the time it's actually supposed to be.   Pastor Bill: [6:56] Yes if we got rid of daylight savings time then the fall is what it would be normally is yeah we would just stay in this set up now the sun obviously would. Continuous weird cycle of going to bed early and getting up late and changing throughout the seasons and we would notice a drastic difference in how the Sun behaves, comparatively to our clocks because what we've been used to but yes this is the timeframe that we would say.   Pastor Newms: [7:32] Yeah it makes I I just don't like change is really what it comes down to.   Pastor Bill: [7:36] Big says we need to stay here just like I think we need to stay in.   Pastor Newms: [7:42] I agree there's no reason to be bouncing back and forth in today's society there was no reason in Old Society to be.   Pastor Bill: [7:49] What kind of was I mean I get why they did it and even 10 years ago, for some parts of the United States technology still hadn't gotten to the level where it was completely unnecessary in agricultural communities. Um but at this point there are so few communities, that still need daylight savings time that it's not even worth having anymore.   Pastor Newms: [8:19] I actually read something if someone complaining because the the switch actually causes problems because they have less time at like farmer's markets and stuff now then.   Pastor Bill: [8:33] Will also in the spring the amount of accidents in the morning when people are trying to go to work increases dramatically. Because of the caught springing forward and everyone losing that hour and all crap Breaks Loose as far as people actually trying to focus and do things right so for me this.   Pastor Newms: [8:55] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to be.   Pastor Bill: [8:57] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to have its circadian rhythm being jacked around by preset clock that mankind decided for it, bright so my week that part of my week was good the rest of the every other part of my week. Yes every other part of my week has been challenging and and so I'm emotionally pretty emotionally exhausted you know like I said I'm physically I'm Jazz you know I'm like, but emotionally it's been a week our car is, sitting in the driveway undriveable and I can't get the shop that I wanted to take it to they haven't called me back we got to get a rental car and I just. It's been two days trying to fix the engine trying to figure out what was wrong with it and try and all the, simple troubleshooting things that I know of and or that I could Google up, and it still won't stay running but yeah so that's this this week has been it's been a bit much.   Pastor Newms: [10:22] Yeah it was it was rough.   Pastor Bill: [10:24] It was a rough week so before now that's right not before now it's time for getting another pastors and it's an odd episode so I will be pulling my car.   Pastor Newms: [10:36] And because I did it last week. Biggs asked if you put the correct gas in your car which is a direct dig at my wife who at one point did not.   Pastor Bill: [10:46] See now you ruined my joke in response I was going to say nope my name is still has a tea.   Pastor Newms: [11:03] It's amazing what six dollars of diesel will do to a car.   Pastor Bill: [11:05] Ha ha Zaydiee on Twitch just wow really hey Biggs gotta throw shade at somebody I mean that's what he does you literally comes on and he sits there and he thinks about our who can I throw shade. Bill drinking apple juice I'm gonna throw shade at it for drinking apple juice this week it was your turn Zaydiee, your turn to get shade okay. The card said, "What is something you like that most people don't?" What do I like the most.   Pastor Newms: [12:03] I mean I think it would need a definition of what most people are I have a lot of fandoms and some of them are Arad yeah. Tina Tina wins Zaydiee wins.   Pastor Bill: [12:19] You mean Zaydiee, Zaydiee wins. Zaydiee calm down, you don't gotta throw out several.   Pastor Newms: [12:27] Zaydiee likes Goldfish crackers dipped in chocolate pudding which is. All kinds of makes me wonder why we're married.   Pastor Bill: [12:46] Okay.   Pastor Newms: [12:47] Now.   Pastor Bill: [12:48] I like movie adaptations of novels. Especially when they're made by like the Sci-Fi channel and like. They're super low budget and so it's like corny as all get-out, and they're using like airsoft guns as if they're like P90s, hey you know and run around in these uniforms that they bought from nervy Army-Navy surplus they don't even match each other and they're supposed to be on the same team and I don't like this is so bad it's good, but then also like when they remake a novel like four big movie theaters, and they like re-envision the story you know and people were like Hey we're on this do you change the and I'm like you know what artistic license I can appreciate both, can appreciate the novel and I can appreciate their artistic revision and that's the part that, according to Newms is face I'd like to most people don't.   Pastor Newms: [13:57] Yes I just got done complaining the fact that I'm pretty sure they've destroyed She-Hulk with the new.   Pastor Bill: [14:05] Really I can't wait to see it then.   Pastor Newms: [14:06] Based on based on based on one aspect that is in a commercial.   Pastor Bill: [14:15] Pastor names you haven't answered yet and a bat burning says she was surprised that her answer about what she likes that most people don't wasn't her husband pastor Newms.   Pastor Newms: [14:27] Yeah yeah.   Pastor Bill: [14:29] See but that's the thing most people like news they just immediately like Newms and for no reason.   Pastor Newms: [14:38] No there is no reason.   Pastor Bill: [14:44] Just lady says just appreciate the artistic whatever Bill said.   Pastor Newms: [14:49] I can't like I don't appreciate artistic license I I am.   Pastor Bill: [14:53] Like the Green Lantern movie with with that one guy who's that guy's name.   Pastor Newms: [15:00] You're gonna make me mad on two counts here one for not remembering Ryan Reynolds name and 24 not for even we that movie doesn't actually exist it's a Smith.   Pastor Bill: [15:09] I'm a fan of Green Lantern right it's not a myth I'm a.   Pastor Newms: [15:12] It's a it's a myth that movie is a myth.   Pastor Bill: [15:16] And I like that movie even though it's.   Pastor Newms: [15:18] That movie doesn't exist that movie never actually existed.   Pastor Bill: [15:20] I've loved that movie every time it comes on on Hulu or whatever I might get we're watching Green Lantern.   Pastor Newms: [15:26] That's a Mandela effect that movie doesn't exist sorry that movie does not actually exist.   Pastor Bill: [15:35] Solutely does exist.   Pastor Newms: [15:38] No no it does not exist in today's timeline sorry.   Pastor Bill: [15:42] Alright Pastor newms you still haven't.   Pastor Newms: [15:44] I am still trying to think of something that. I mean most of my most of my fandoms and things that I truly enjoy or what everyone else enjoys.   Pastor Bill: [16:09] You like Ferengi.   Pastor Newms: [16:13] I do love Frankie's most people don't do they I do love the Frankie culture because they're just a bunch of capitalists jerks and I really like.   Pastor Bill: [16:26] To the nth degree of insanity they are capitalist jerks like to a comical level.   Pastor Newms: [16:33] Well that's the whole point like they're supposed in so that's something that a lot of people, and I've gotten crap for this but I'm going to say it anyway a lot of people don't realize that the creator of Star Trek, preferred certain economic structures that America doesn't have and so all of the structures that he doesn't like he makes the bad aliens have. And his children are similar and so it's just continued on through the legacy of you know certain economic and political structures good everyone else terribly bad, and then put the capital of the world France.   Pastor Bill: [17:24] Not just the world the capital of like the, the 19 or whatever planets that it is.   Pastor Newms: [17:41] Only a communist would put the capital of everything and sorry I wasn't saying what belief systems I'm sorry nobody nobody's putting.   Pastor Bill: [17:51] Who I laughed so hard just now I almost passed out. My back brain says Christopher Eccleston. Something that she likes that most people don't like I don't think that's really fair though I think if people give him a chance they would like him. He wasn't given a lot of material to really give him that big of a.   Pastor Newms: [18:22] He wasn't and that's why I don't think anyone could I thought he was great but I like weirdos so.   Pastor Bill: [18:29] I thought he was way better than Matt Smith and Matt Smith got a huge huge time on Doctor Who and so many people liked him and I'm like if they'd given Christopher Eccleston the kind of writing and the amount of time at Matt Smith God, and Christopher Eccleston would be a really popular Doctor Who.   Pastor Newms: [18:49] I am I really I have to agree with Bat-Brains and Zaydiee though my favorite doctor is probably the War Doctor.   Pastor Bill: [18:59] John Hurt   Pastor Newms: [19:01] Just an end the bad part is is it's just because of who it is.   Pastor Bill: [19:06] Well.   Pastor Newms: [19:06] It's just because of the actor.   Pastor Bill: [19:08] You know there really was no word doctor until Christopher Eccleston said he wouldn't be in the 50th and John Hurt was like yeah I want to be in Doctor Who and so then they they created a war doctor character.   Pastor Newms: [19:24] Either way he's probably my favorite.   Pastor Bill: [19:26] 8.5 they call him. Because it was always believed that it was you know eight and then the end of eight in the beginning of nine were the two doctors that fought in that war yeah but anyway. Nevermore.   Pastor Newms: [19:46] Bats the I just love John Hurt and.   Pastor Bill: [19:51] I love it his catchphrase was never more though I really like that it's very po s.   Pastor Newms: [19:58] If we want to make Tina cry we can even about three more actors and Zaydiee will be balling in the office in the in the. I'll all you have to say is John Hurt.   Pastor Bill: [20:09] No no we're not we're not going there we're not going there we're not going there stop.   Pastor Newms: [20:12] You have to say. I'm going to be in trouble what is what is Snape's name.   Pastor Bill: [20:22] Are you quite done yet.   Pastor Newms: [20:25] But it snaps real name.   Pastor Bill: [20:26] All right so tonight. It doesn't rhyme with Smelling Rickman.   Pastor Newms: [20:35] Alan Rickman and then if you say the lead singer of Linkin Park she's done she's done for the day and.   Pastor Bill: [20:46] All right so tonight we have named this podcast what did I name this podcast.   Pastor Newms: [20:52] What did you name this pain.   Pastor Bill: [20:53] Was some convoluted sentence that didn't make any sense on purpose I don't look it up.   Pastor Newms: [21:00] You hurt my brain sometimes bill.   Pastor Bill: [21:05] Is God has always and will be male. Is the name of tonight's episode is God has always and will be male.   Pastor Newms: [21:19] You want to type that out just to make it easier.   Pastor Bill: [21:21] Yeah I'll type that out in the Discord let's see us is God.   Pastor Newms: [21:24] It's a that's a Maxima.   Pastor Bill: [21:27] Has opened up I put in a coma where there shouldn't be a comma has.   Pastor Newms: [21:32] Yes because that's going to fix this. That is the name of the.   Pastor Bill: [21:45] Sitting here it says podcast is God has always and will be male so that's what we're talking about is is the god of the Bible let's be very specific here because that's what we're talking about is the god of the Bible. Male.   Pastor Newms: [22:01] Specifically the god of the Jewish and Christian cultures because there are other gods named in the Bible to be clear.   Pastor Bill: [22:09] Yes male or female or no nothing none or all or what big says it doesn't matter. And then he grew continue he finishes his sentence with he's God. Wherein lies the point is we are, as we've talked about Disciples of Christ we go out into the world we make friends we share the gospel and more often than not in modern culture. We say very simple if statements that to us seem simplistic like it doesn't matter he's God and what wasn't intended as I microaggression. Comes across and pushes people away from having that intimate relationship with you so that you can then share the gospel with them, there's nothing wrong. With what you said Biggs there's nothing wrong. Problem is that so he resets it in an act completely accurate biblically accurate statement which I love. So the reason we're talking about it is that very reason is that in the culture that we're in we need to actually know what the Bible says about the, so that when we are confronted by someone who says, hey you said this and that upset me and I don't want to be your friend because you believe that I'm wrong because you used the word he in relation to God and I believe that that brings up, every hurt and pain that I've ever had from every Christian person who was doing it wrong not you. But like we talked about before. When you hold on to unforgiveness you create a future where you see your past hurt. In the innocent things that happen around you. And we're doing what we do ministry to people that have been hurt by everything in the world. Church mailman fathers mothers I mean you can be hurt by anything and if you don't make the conscious decision to forgive that can stick with you forever. But the statement that Biggs made that is so amazingly crafted is they referring to God they can take any form. But Jesus was male and so we're actually going to break that down and we're going to look at what does the Bible say right and so. The things we're going to talk about are constricted to what is Within These 60 66 books that are collected into a Bible right. Not because this is everything we know, about God and not because everything there is to know about God is Within These pages, but because like we talked about in the previous episode and I like the way it was the idea of the way it was put by the person who first suggested these specific 66 books, this is the basic knowledge you need to know to understand salvation. And when we have these discussions on what do we believe theologically. It is honestly best to keep them within the framework of what everyone has. Which is these basic. Teachings for understanding salvation so that's why we're keeping this conversation here and not extra-biblical, we would most likely have, certain different viewpoints overarching lie at the end of the conversation if we did include, extra biblical works from here and there and Sumerian tales and Babylonian myth and data data data data that's not the conversation we're having right all right, so when we ask the question of is God male or what. We get a lot of different viewpoints and and more and more in today's culture, we're seeing even more viewpoints coming across where people are saying that God is androgynous or God is non-binary God is this God is that you've got the die-hard God is a man, group that will argue all day long, that God is a man because the Old Testament uses the word he when it refers to God and it uses he over and over and over again, and so God must be a man because God revealed to the writers what to write every word to write because that's what inspired means which we've already had that conversation that's not what inspired. Inspired, means God gives them the inspiration and and then it is filtered through their culture filtered through their Viewpoint filtered through their worldview and then comes out on the page so, if for instance in this case the descendants of Abraham, because remember Abraham found favor with God when no one else did and his descendants are then the chosen people not because of them but because of Abraham, if his descendants were then a patriarchal society which they were. Then anytime that God spoke to them it would go through a filter of. Power and authority means man so God must be a man and it would come out that way it would come out he his him. That would be the Viewpoint that the scriptures were written. Serious theologians people that have you know done lots of years of study and cross-reference lots of writings Almost 100% across-the-board, agree that God has no gender at all no gender, like he's not androgynous not I said it I said he, God is Not androgynous God is Not 9-ball non-binary not male not female not otherwise, but God is a spirit and therefore has no physical body and therefore, is not male and is not female is not a combination of both is not a combination of none it's just not a question because, it's not something they got needs as a spirit he doesn't have to have a gender and that's what. The common belief amongst most major theologians is but when you ask them why, where is this proof generally they point to John that's a past Pastor John chapter 4. And verse 24 and have your for 24 and they read. God is a spirit and those who worship Him must Worship in spirit and in. Except that's not really an answer I mean it says God is a spirit but nowhere in there does that actually say Spirits don't have gender. So I you know I understand after years of study and yada yada that that that's their jumping off point but to the common person who's trying to understand, what do I identify God as that's very inadequate. Um so this point Newms did you have anything you wanted to interject here before I move on to the next little section.   Pastor Newms: [31:14] At this at this point no I'll say. That you know I've always believed in God as genderless because of the spirit aspect. But genderless in the fact that there is no physical gender.   Pastor Bill: [31:48] No genitalia to speak of.   Pastor Newms: [31:51] Yes exactly there's no genitalia so you don't have a gender but that does not necessarily.   Pastor Bill: [31:57] That doesn't even fit the modern definition of gender that so many.   Pastor Newms: [32:02] Correct.   Pastor Bill: [32:05] Groups of culture have grabbed ahold of you know.   Pastor Newms: [32:10] Yes correct and so for me, I've always leaned a certain way on that line when I started thinking about okay well that was all that was a It's Kind like you said you know yes that's here's the verse to use. But that doesn't actually answer the question and so I've always let leaned a certain way. But we'll continue to get to that point.   Pastor Bill: [32:45] So when we look back in. Christianity to understand the really. Staunch view that God is male and God identifies as male. Then we find ourselves going back as far as and now we're talking about when we go to the original languages and what God himself says himself, who God themselves says see a senior in your learning and your studying and you're trying to change it's not all that easy, um themselves cells about themselves oh gosh then when we find Jesus referring to God as a father. And himself being male. Then that's where in our modern Minds we form this idea that God was always, father and God was always male okay. Now I'm kind of jumping around in my notes here because that's the way my brain is Flowing now. We go down to the always great when your brain throws you a curveball and you've got to jump somewhere else in your notes.   Pastor Newms: [34:24] And an out while you're looking through your notes I'm going to touch on what's being said in chat, big said that they don't need gender to reproduce and I would think, what you possibly mean Biggs is God doesn't need a gender to create more than even to reproduce and then Phoenix asks if there is gender how then, can they be all things to all people like a mother to the motherless and a father to the fatherless. So that's a very good question that we're going to talk about more here as we go.   Pastor Bill: [35:10] Well we don't want to deny current theological beliefs that the church holds, cross you know pretty much across the board so when to make this more inclusive of a conversation so we're not negating, people who might want to learn but are in the culture of the church who have been taught God's a male jedidah the theological answer to Phoenix is question is, that there's God the Father God the son and that the Holy Spirit, fulfills that mother relationship the compassionate nurturing motherly interaction so then God can because God is that trinitarian. Being he can both, be a father as God the father and be a mother as the Holy Spirit and then be a brother, and a friend as Jesus the son, and so that is the pat theological answer to that question but as we, go into our study and we focus on you know well what is the evidence about where where we what we should be believing based on what the Bible says, um and obviously go back and look at all the evidence and decide for yourself just like always use the breathing method just because I say it or Newms says it, doesn't mean it's true, you need to go and study it out for yourself and make sure so we're going to jump down to Isaiah and my notes down to Isaiah 9:6 and I'm not clicked in the chat anymore to type that in. You did you did okay okay Isaiah 9:6 and forgive me if I don't turn to the page in my, in my Bible but I've already got it typed it in my notes I'm just going to read it from my notes save us a few seconds here for a child will be born for us a son will be given to us and the government will be on his shoulders, he will be named wonderful counselor Mighty God Eternal Father Prince of Peace. So according to the Prophecies of Isaiah God became known as a Eternal Father. The moment that Jesus was born and Jesus himself was that Eternal Father. Because he was God and so according to Isaiah this leads us to. Assume infer deduct that or is that induction or. Anyway we get to this conclusion that Isaiah believed God not to have a gender until Jesus was born. And then became this father figure this male figure, when Jesus was born so the question of is the god of the Bible the Hebrew the god of the Hebrews the god of Isaac Jacob Abraham Abraham Isaac and Jacob sorry I gotta say it the right way, is that God male or female We Now find ourselves having to split that in time. We have to talk about before the birth of Jesus what was the state of God and then after the birth of Jesus what was the state of God because as Biggs said. Jesus who is God was born male and then Jesus who was God, taught pray Our Father what is it to you if I say my. Go out and baptize in the name of the. Because from that point on yes absolutely God had this male identity this, Des gender identity, um and a lot of people like to say well God can never change its right there in the scriptures well that's obviously not true because he put on a skin suit, and became a human being and that's a pretty big change from being god of the universe, you know Big O god of the universe to being a little baby in a skin suit so obviously God can change and that verse that you're quoting about in God there is no shadow of turning, doesn't mean what you think it means it means something else and I encourage you to go back to that verse and find out, what does that verse mean then because obviously God can change otherwise, there wouldn't have been a Jesus in flesh because but going from God to flesh is a big change okay, um also when we're reading the teachings of Jesus we have to consider the fact that Jesus was teaching. To a society that was largely made up of fishermen. And Shepherds and people that worked in the fields and Farmers you know. Who were all from a patriarchal society so, this idea of God as a father was was more than just you know Jesus was born as a man and and now that God is a father, has to fit into the culture of, about different spiritual Concepts they were all agricultural in nature not to say that we should all be farmers. But to say that that was the best way to teach to that audience. Now Phoenix asks and this is a great question. What about God is the same today yesterday and forever so how can you say that God changes. And I think. The verse that you are asking about is Hebrews 13:8. I hate it when I pass over Hebrews and then when trying to go back to it I can't and I think is my fat fingers Hebrews chapter 13 verse 8 newms can you tap that into the chapter for me Hebrews 13:8 it says, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. Right so if he uses the word forever to mean going forward for all time. Then why would he use words as such as yesterday and today and not. Always has been and today and always will be I've always read this verse to mean, that for them the Jesus of literally yesterday the day before today is the same Jesus as today is the same Jesus as always will be. That's not to mean that he never changed in the past that God never changed in the past but that the same Jesus you leaned on yesterday. Was available today and will always be  available it will always be. He says don't be led by a stray by strange teachings don't let people tell you what you can and can't eat.   Pastor Newms: [44:19] Yeah and and I think you know that that gets to be very. We're at 50 minutes in by the way.   Pastor Bill: [44:32] Here comes the English language claim.   Pastor Newms: [44:38] Think. The the aspect of of the English actually I'm not even going to say English the human understanding of. The almost did it billion I almost said of the trilogy instead of instead of and I told Bill I was going to accidentally say it because I said it, as a slip in our pre meeting and I was like I'm gonna try real hard not to do that and I still almost did, you know the human understanding of. Laughs Trinity in that that verse specifically doesn't say God doesn't change it specifically says. Jesus doesn't change so to me what I've always taken that to mean is. Jesus you know in the Old Testament when Jesus was taking a form and walking around it was Jesus when in the New Testament when Jesus was.   Pastor Bill: [45:51] Without a physical body but without a physical body.   Pastor Newms: [45:57] Right right just taking a walk when Jesus was there there when Jesus was forward forward. That's what I've always taken that to mean is the spirit of Jesus is always Jesus the, and yes you know they are three in one but it does get really hairy when you start, to break that down I think c.s. Lewis says it the best it's like a 2d drawing that you've drawn looking up at its creator and saying oh yeah I understand how that is because I understand what to D is, and I think we hit that same thing with situations like this because we know God changed. His mind he, changed aspects of himself at certain points because of that you know he gave Grace when he wanted to, not he gay you know so things like that is how I've always looked at it.   Pastor Bill: [47:14] Big says Biggs on Twitter says he is not on our timeline they can jump forward or backward I don't agree with that statement not that the Bible ever. Mentions God time traveling. Or any kind of time travel but when I look at the the whole of God's creation God put Creation in motion. Put time in motion and to vend violate that. And to interject here and then pull out and interject you know and and after after knowing and go back and change the way that you framed that seems like it would be a violation of his own laws. He controls time, this once again we're getting off topic but but in that we are describing a god that is all powerful. But when we go and we read in Genesis, we go through the steps of God giving up power over certain things and no longer having the authority to exercise that power, and time would theoretically fall under one of these things, that God gave up the authority over. And knowing the in from the beginning which is the big one that people grab ahold of for the time conversation does not mean the same thing as, time travel or being outside of time it's simply could be a reference to a being that is smart enough and, good enough at following through on what it looks like things are happening, to 100% of the time know how things are going to end up. Um Zaydiee says if we if God never chair ever or never not sure what she meant they're never or ever changed probably never, how then can we trust by only to the fact that he slashed they are the same yesterday past today and forever well for one, faith is, blind trust that's the very essence of what faith is and for to we have this verse in Hebrews telling us that Jesus won't change again and since he's God, that means God isn't going to change again but there was never any to my knowledge, promise of God not being able to change he even decides, doesn't like the fact that he made mankind. That's that's the change sighs he wants to kill everyone with a flood but then we get back to the authority thing he has to go to Noah and say hey no here's my plan and Noah has to sign off on it.   Pastor Newms: [50:39] What is Malachi 3:6 say.   Pastor Bill: [50:42] You off on your own Rabbit Trail over here.   Pastor Newms: [50:54] That is God.   [51:00] What is the word for God.   Pastor Bill: [51:09] Which word for God because it's that all caps Lord when they're too nervous to actually write it down.   Pastor Newms: [51:15] It's it's done. What we read as Jehovah.   Pastor Bill: [51:24] The one who saves the self-existent.   Pastor Newms: [51:31] Yeah the self-existent Eternal Jewish National name of God.   Pastor Bill: [51:35] Because I the Lord have not changed in some instances say changed my mind.   Pastor Newms: [51:43] And some of these say do not change have KJV says I change not nasby says do not change.   Pastor Bill: [51:56] But see that can't be him saying he doesn't change ever or doesn't ever change his mind because he dead and then created the flood.   Pastor Newms: [52:05] And II and potentially. Yep potentially it gets fuzzy it's it's what do we Define as change.   Pastor Bill: [52:17] Obviously can't given this because it's not everything it's not meant to be everything.   Pastor Newms: [52:25] And and. You know I was reminded again in the Bible study I'm doing with the family the the teacher said again you know one of those words like, now what we're studying prophecy so because of that there's a couple different. Ways of looking at it and Scholars I follow two main Scholars and this one says what I'm teaching is the right way and the other one says that it's not, um and but neither one is a Salvation aspect and so we're just going to look at this one because it's what fits in my mind and I'm teaching and so it sort of looks like this isn't, salvation aspect it's good conversation it's good understanding. And as big said with prophecy him showing the future. Could could mean a lot of different things.   Pastor Bill: [53:32] So this is you've got a good point bags God showed Isaiah the future not just Isaiah though all of the books of the prophets God let them in on what the future was.   Pastor Newms: [53:44] Isaiah Daniel John.   Pastor Bill: [53:45] The Book of Revelations God let John in on what the future is going to look like but this isn't necessarily God. Opening some window and then looking through the window into actual events, could very well just be God going hey this is what I know let me paint a picture from my mind of what I know the future is going to look like, and either way you have to ask the question of why why would God do that, the simple answer is that we find in can't remember where it is if you want to look it up for me Newms where says don't don't think that the Lord is slow to return, but that God is tarrying so that as many people as possible can be safe. Well if that's God's modus operandi that he does things intending as many people as possible, then every time he showed someone the future it was because he was attempting to tilt the scales. To make that end as favorable as possible the end that he saw as favorable as possible so that as many people as possible could have salvation. Which which also would be the answer as to why did God plant that tree in the garden that that gave them the knowledge of Good and Evil.   Pastor Newms: [55:26] So do you want to type this while I while I say it it's 2nd Peter 3:8, through 10 ish and it says dear friends don't overlook this one fact, with the Lord one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is like one day so this is that aspect and then the next verse is the Lord does not delay his promise as some understand delay but is patient with you not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance and then but the day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise the elements will burn and be dissolved the Earth, and the works on it will be disclosed so or burnt up or you know depending on the translation.   Pastor Bill: [56:18] This has been a very stimulating conversation and I love it and this is why we do the live thing do I would. To get back on topic for since we're literally at the end of the time when we normally end and give you these verses, that from me Old Testament that draw into question, this whole gender idea of God being having always been male which now you understand the confusing title because it's what fits, and the reason I chose a white background for the art for this this podcast was because this 66 books that we have, is about equivalent to what's printed on that title bump, um just a white background with just a few words and it's a scripture reference that's about all we know about God this this all this about God that's in this 66 books collected into the scent ology. Is about just to drop in the bucket of what there is to know about God, so let's go through these these scriptures and I'll go ahead and make my notes available on the transcription as well so you guys can go through all of my notes it's not that much it's like 1500 words okay so. We're in a start with and type these in I am I'm going to.   Pastor Newms: [57:50] Are you going to type them and you want me to type them.   Pastor Bill: [57:52] Deuteronomy 32 18 in Deuteronomy 32 18 we see a feminine aspect of God displayed and I, there are lots of scriptures that paint one way or the other but I focus specifically on the ones where God is talking, or it says God delivered this specific message and then it was delivered specifically with the words that God used. Deuteronomy 32 18 you ignored the rock who gave you birth you forgot the God who gave birth to you, birth being a pretty strictly Genetically speaking female activity, second Samuel 7:14 I will be his father and he will be my son, when he does wrong I will discipline him with a rod of men and blows from Mortals so, some people believe that second Samuel 7:14 there are talking about, the Messiah to come but most theologians believe that second Samuel 714 or talking about King David that, God is saying that he will be Kings David's father, and King David will be his son and most theologians believe this because then it says when he does wrong I will discipline him with the rod of men and Jesus is. Theologically known to have not done wrong as far as God is concerned we got Psalm 103 verse 13, as a father has compassion on his children so the Lord has compassion on those who fear Him, here this is God speaking in a prophecy through David calling himself a father, Isaiah 66 verse 13, this is a feminine one as a mother Comforts her son so I will comfort you and you will be comforted in. Malachi 16 this is a masculine one, a son honors his father and his servant his master, but if I am a father where is my honor and if I am a master where is your fear of me says the Lord of armies to you priest who despise my name, yet you ask how have we despised your name Matthew and I try to stay away from ones in the New Testament but this one actually does apply, Matthew 23 verse 37 also recorded in Luke, 13:34 and the reason we're using it is because it's Jesus talking about, in the past in the time of the prophets he says Jerusalem Jerusalem who kills the prophets and Stones those who are sent to her how often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but you were not willing. And then we've got three verses from the Old Testament that talk about this same concept about this motherly hen, Ruth 2:12, may the Lord reward you for what you have done and may you receive a full reward from the Lord God of Israel under whose wings you have come for Refuge now that's not specifically God talking that's roof talking but it's that same concept that Jesus brought up, so I thought it was a neat thing to throw in there we got some 17:8 this is David talking, I'm describing God in this feminine way protect me as the pupil of your eye hide me in the shadow of your wings and I went to the commentaries on this one to make sure that, David was actually talking about the same thing about the mother hen and it is believed that that's what David was talking about they're referring to God in a motherly. Psalm 91 4, this is an interesting one he will cover you with his feathers you will take refuge under his wings his faithfulness will be a protective shield and I went back to the the commentaries again, and they all agree that this verse is talking about a feminine aspect of God, and the only place you find these he's his and hymns are in the English translations in the Greek and Hebrew translations of this text those pronouns aren't there, they added those pronouns to make the English sound more readable and then we've just. It's not for every verse that says he forgot but in this particular verse that's that's true, and then we have versus like I've clicked out of it. Tabbing thing Deuteronomy chapter 4, verses 15 through 16 where God says diligently watch yourselves because you did not see any form on the day the Lord spoke to you out of the fire at Horeb, so you don't act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves and the shape of any figure a male or female form, God saying when you saw me in the fire I wasn't male I wasn't female he goes on to say I wasn't any animal wasn't any form that you've seen before so don't make an idol of any of those ideas. And he doesn't say Graven image here because that's a completely different thing that's an actual physical Idol that you've made or carved this is this is an idea don't reshape God in your image just because you have a gender, doesn't mean God does just because you deal with animals doesn't mean God has a physical animal like what you deal with, and the one that, immediately Pops to my mind whenever this conversation comes up is numbers 23:19 and this one's pretty, in my opinion pretty conclusive it says God is not a man that he might lie or a son of man that he might change his mind. Does he speak in not act or promise and not fulfill and when we go back to the original language that this was written in, the word for man there is the word each, it is literally translated as a man as an individual or a male person, God is not a male that he might lie and then this or a son of man that is the word atom which is where we get the name atom which is translated as human being, God is not a male or even a human being he doesn't lie, and he doesn't in some places there they say need to ask for forgiveness instead of saying change his mind, he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness which kind of fits better with the original. Language of that phrase because we do know that God changes his mind we just talked about that God repented of having made Humanity so, yeah he pretty clearly changed his mind and then. When we look at sorry my phone is is trying to distract me.   Pastor Newms: [1:06:02] Yeah your phone just yeah yep there.   Pastor Bill: [1:06:04] Um when we look at Hosea chapter 11 verse 9 11 verse 9, I God says I will not vent the full Fury of my anger I will not turn back to destroy me for I am for I am God and not man, the Holy One among you I will not come in Rage and once again he uses the word each for I am God, and not a male the Holy One among you as if to say. I understand that you guys are living in a patriarchal society and that you've been done wrong by your leadership over and over and over again I'm not like that I'm gone, and so we go back to Juneau John 4:24 God is Spirit, and if we believe that a spirit is not like us no physical body know any of those things, then when God in Genesis one said let us make mankind which the word there is not eesh not mail but actually awdawm Mankind in our image according to our likeness, um and then so God created Mankind in his own image he created him in the image of God he created them male and female, we're not talking about physical attributes we're talking about spiritual, and so we'll wrap up right quick here's 80 had another question, why would God need to repent that implies imperfection and who does he repent to that doesn't make sense the word repent doesn't mean to ask for forgiveness the word repent means to turn around and take a different course and so God decided he. Wasn't happy with having made Humanity so he turned to make a different course and was gonna kill everybody off, a bat brain on Twitch says I feel like there's another instance of God's changing his mind because, someone asked him to on behalf of someone else but I can't remember who or what so what you're talking about is when God came to Abraham and let him in on the plan of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and all the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham said, well I'm not going to give permission if you find 50 righteous people and God says okay for 50 righteous people I won't do it okay well what about 10 God now I'm for 10 rides to people I won't do it what about, no for one righteous person I won't do it and who does he find. Zero righteous people but he does find Abraham's cousin lot and on behalf of Abraham. Saves lot his wife and their two daughters and we all know how that story goes not great. Um that story goes downhill right, and how do we know that a lot wasn't where I just well because God still killed destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other cities in the valley which was somewhere between 7 and 12, whole kingdoms with Kings and whole populations wasn't, two cities Sodom and Gomorrah are just the words just the main two cities of trade that were remembered from the valley, if you go back in the story Abraham does you no business with all of these Kings they all live in that Valley the whole valley was destroyed, um And lot offers his daughters to the people of the city to have their way with instead of the Angels because even lot isn't righteous and then the wife looks back ignoring the command of, the angel I mean obviously not right I mean we're kind of playing a losing game here though Abraham should have known better because there is no one righteous no not, one it's only through faith that your made righteous and lot didn't have faith, and his wife didn't have faith and then they get in the mountains and. Lots of daughters clearly didn't have faith I mean and and people point to this story and go well this is why the Bible is messed up this stuff happened in the Bible and that's messed up if you think that's right that's messed up, no that's not that's one of those cautionary tales of don't be like this that's not the Bible saying this is righteous, um that's that's a cautionary tale I don't the Bible has cautionary tales it's just done. If you have any more questions anybody, if you have questions you can go to our website ekk.house and find an email address that you can send those questions too and that goes straight to me I literally run all of the churches everything, um so you're not going to be dealing with another person your brother we're going to be talking straight to me if you send us a message or you call and leave a message I get a transcript of the voicemail messages, um that get left on our voicemail to my email so you're once again you'll just be believing me on email. 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Or is this standard in the others to I think this is standard in the others daylight sensor Standard Time and so you can pick pitch that anywhere that you get, podcasts and we are glad that you were able to join us and if this helped you have resources to study out this concept of who was the god of the, You Know spoken of in the Old Testament the god of the Hebrews the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob was that a male or female or none of the above which I, probably prefer to call they them if I'm referring to the god of the Old Testament obviously the god of now, we would refer to as mail because Jesus was born as a male and then ascended and sits at the right hand of what we now call the father, sits at the right hand of himself some of this is hard to describe because we're trying to describe spiritual things. With physical words and that's the whole issue in a nutshell once again the whole point was, to study so that you know how to appropriately talk, to those around you who you honestly don't want to offend you honestly want to be their friend you honestly want to be a part of their life and at the same time not betray your face. Right that's what Paul taught us were Christians when I was shamed to be Christians but we're not gonna. We're not going to attack people and hit them over the head with this this is for us and we're gonna love people and when they ask. If they ask then we're going to share and until then we're going to love I like. One of the videos I've seen recently I'm take talk where was talking about these Baptist preachers went on a missions trip to Mexico and when they got there the main guide told them not to share the. To work in the camps to help build the churches to help feed the people but not to share the. And they you know all these Baptist preachers freaked out well why are we even here then why did we waste our time come and he said you're here. Be the hands and feet of Christ not to challenge the worldview of people who you don't even know and don't know you. But that sink in we want to be the hands and feet of Christ not the out there trying to change the world view. People who don't even know who we are but I may be paraphrasing what he said but that was the message that came across in the video so. Alright so I've invited you to come join us live I've told you when the podcast comes, told you what our website is I've told you to get a hold of me and so now. We love you guys this really is a labor of love and I hope you have a great week.   Pastor Newms: Stay safe out there.   Pastor Bill: And until next time...

Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 52 of the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Tonight we are going to be talking about something that may, make some people feel rather passionate about one way or another. We are not here to tell you how to think, or what to believe, but your present the way we see things and what evidence we can provide that led us to believe certain things that way. If you then want to walk away from this conversation and go well the evidence they provided I don't agree with, that, that's good evidence and I'm going to continue believing the way I believe. That's great. At the end of the day we're both going to walk away agreeing that Jesus was born as a man died for you know... what's the right words... the propitiation of our sins, not our actions but sin nature, so that we can walk in a relationship with God so that we have the hope of looking forward to an eternity with Him. You're going to walk away sharing that belief, I know, I'm not doing a soft open I mean I'm doing a soft open I'm not doing a hard open. Um no, I'm talking to Biggs on Twitch, he says, "well how was your week?" as if he's like don't forget guys everything goes bad if you don't do a warm up first. Um yeah, so we will be looking at some scriptures tonight and we will be talking a bit about this Universal Bible Tome that Newms and I both have because it's got some great things that we need to talk about and so that's that's where we are. Tonight's episode is called, "Not Inerrant but Infallible" Peekaboo my little Groggy is joining us on Twitch welcome Groggy, glad you're here tonight.   Pastor Newms: [2:23] Oooo, one of these days he's gonna get you for saying that.   Pastor Bill: [2:24] My little Groggy, my little Groggy. Oooh he's several states away what's he going to do? Come to Texas and finally meet me face-to-face? Ooh, I'm scared. We'll go have some barbecue or something together, that'd be awesome. All right, so how was your week pastor Newms?   Pastor Newms: [2:59] We started a new war in Star Trek last night. That's really been it I've not done a ton this week, was pretty much mainly focused on work celebrated the fifth of November yesterday. So other than that yeah it was pretty good. I got a new mask I got a nice new mask I like my new.   Pastor Bill: [3:26] Yeah you did, your Guy Fawkes mask.   Pastor Newms: [3:29] Yes yes to celebrate the.   Pastor Bill: [3:34] And for those of you listening to podcast not watching live he picked up an all black mask with golden highlights to make it look like Guy Fawkes, also reminiscent of the V movie - V for Vendetta. Yeah that he watches on November 5th every year because that's how his brain works. There are certain movies that you have to watch on certain days, Mean Girls on October third and V is for Vendetta on November 5th. Biggs on Twitch says Groggy's going to drive his Corvette and have a road trip down to Texas, Biggs is volunteering Groggy for a road trip to Texas in his Corvette that's lovely I look forward to seeing. Alright, so?   Pastor Newms: [4:26] How was your week Pastor Bill.   Pastor Bill: [4:27] How was my week? Um, well my week was was pretty good I mean. See the problem with asking about the whole week is I don't really remember whole weeks I remember like I can tell you what I did today and probably what I did yesterday. But I can also tell you useless information like. I don't know, useless information about things in history that nobody cares about but stuff about me and my week I just I just draw a blank you know, yeah so I went and had barbecue yesterday for lunch at this alien establishment built around the Aurora alien just down the road and it was great barbecue. First time I've ever been able to say that because you know everything is subjective and then in my subjective opinion it's the first great barbecue that I've had so. So yeah, so that's that and I did some work around the house this week just fixed some stuff that need to be fixed and.   Pastor Newms: [5:41] You messed with some computer rigging of things was that this week or was that last week graphic stuff.   Pastor Bill: [5:47] I can't remember.   Pastor Newms: [5:50] I don't remember.   Pastor Bill: [5:51] I don't remember what I've done this week but I guess that's a good sign because I mean is it wasn't a bad week.   Pastor Newms: [5:57] Right exactly yeah.   Pastor Bill: [5:59] So nothing bad happened, so I'm thankful for that they can see you know that's a good place to start. But like you said we, we in Star Trek Fleet command we had a down week no story arc which was just kind of frustrating but we did have, after a few days of almost literally nothing in the game, they finally dropped a Crucible Of War event which is a three-day just grind of hostiles to which Newms looked at it and went this is just my daily what I do in the game what are you guys complaining about, and I'm like no no this is considered Star Trek grind and he's like this is just what I do daily I don't understand what's wrong with you guys. Yeah, but for me, I was I was tired of seeing the color red personally but I don't play games the same way that Newms does which has been a point of conversation over the past four days that I'm glad we can move on to different conversations now. Things about how we don't like the people we're allied with in a current War, but we're going to be good soldiers and fight the good fight anyway and and hope for the war to end soon so we can go back to not liking the people that were allied with. So that's that that was my week and so now I guess we'll do Getting to Know the Pastors and since this is an even-numbered episode season 3 episode 52 that means that Newms will pull a card from his box and we will answer.   Pastor Newms: [7:39] Alright as not how we're going to be able to read the question all right.   Pastor Bill: [7:46] Yeah you can't read the back of the car.   Pastor Newms: "If you could have one book instantly memorized cover to cover, which book would you choose?"   Pastor Bill: [8:03] Um that would have to be Grey's Anatomy.   Pastor Newms: [8:10] The book, there's a book?   Pastor Bill: [8:14] Yeah it's the book that's got the man sprawled out on the front of it and his arms are in different positions it's a medical textbook.   Pastor Newms: [8:23] Oh okay, why?   Pastor Bill: [8:27] Oh you you thought I meant like a novelized version of the show Grey's Anatomy I'm talking about the medical textbook Grey's Anatomy.   Pastor Newms: [8:37] But why.   Pastor Bill: [8:39] Because I want to know everything and that's a really good place to start.   Pastor Newms: [8:54] This is one of those I can't answer there's too many valid answers that that I can't formulate a decent answer to it.   Pastor Bill: [9:10] Now if you thought either one of us were going to say the Bible then welcome to the Berean Manifesto, It's good to have you here. We don't give flaky answers, we avoid the obvious flaky answers and go for deep meaning stuff obviously every Christian would want to have the Bible memorized.   Pastor Newms: [9:32] But that's not a book it's a collection of books.   Pastor Bill: [9:34] That's a collection of books but it's bound as a and sold as a single unit.   Pastor Newms: [9:40] No but that was my thought was I can't pick a single book because it is in and of itself not a single book.   Pastor Bill: [9:48] It's an anthology but it is it's a work of it's an anthology work you know.   Pastor Newms: [9:57] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [9:59] Bound as a single book anyway.   Pastor Newms: [10:04] But then I was so many other books on my on my you know this just in I don't know man.   Pastor Bill: [10:11] Just the one you'd want to memorize I mean just like.   Pastor Newms: [10:13] See I do.   Pastor Bill: [10:14] And then you could be sitting back one day on a on a stranded Island on a on the beach and some strain on the middle of the ocean and be like all right I'm going to walk my brain through. Yeah ABatBrain on Twitch says coding for dummies.   Pastor Newms: [10:36] The problem with memorizing a coding book would be the fact that one the language is changed constantly so memorizing one feature wouldn't the concept stay the same but that's not the hard part of coding the concepts are the easy part the hard part of coding is the syntax.   Pastor Bill: [10:57] Biggs is throwing shade I'm surprised it took them this long to start throwing shade, we're 16 minutes and he's throwing shade at me for drinking apple juice and then sipping my dr. pepper.   Pastor Newms: [11:10] You are nasty but we all know that already so I don't know why anyone.   Pastor Bill: [11:14] It's not like I'm pouring both of them in my mouth at the same time.   Pastor Newms: [11:17] You're nasty, you're always nasty, it's fine we love you for it. But you nasty.   Pastor Bill: [11:27] See now Zaydees got to go straight for the cheat they didn't which says all Edgar Allan Poe's work and the original Beowulf I don't know that you can find that all printed in one book.   Pastor Newms: [11:37] Olive olive.   Pastor Bill: [11:39] To memorize.   Pastor Newms: [11:40] All of Poe actually we own all in one book if you're classifying an anthology as one book.   Pastor Bill: [11:49] Because you said and Beowulf.   Pastor Newms: [11:50] Beowulf yeah I know that's where that's where your. Oh dummy must be blanked out it's coming across on this platform it might not on Twitch because.   Pastor Bill: [12:10] So true.   Pastor Newms: [12:12] You I think Biggs you actually have your filter set on. Cuz it's coming across twitch correctly so I think it's because you have your profanity filter on and I guess dummy is one of the no no words on. On Twitch yet comes across perfectly fine so yeah that's that's that's on your side Biggs I'll have to show you how to turn that off at some point.   Pastor Bill: [12:46] HPuffPhoenix says all of Grimm's Fairy Tales. Well if you can't answer do we need to pull another card because nobody got to know you well.   Pastor Newms: [13:07] "Through the use of a time machine you are traveling back to the year 1850."   Pastor Bill: [13:12] No, I'm not - that ain't happening.   Pastor Newms: [13:15] You may take with you one and only one product or invention from the modern error what would you take with you to impress and all our forebears? None of it because they would burn you at the stake.   Pastor Bill: [13:27] The Time Machine they would be impressed and then I would come home I aint staying in and 1850.   Pastor Newms: [13:34] But even that they would burn you at the stake they would destroy you they would call you now no no man. I'll go forward, hopefully it's better that direction I need some robotic I need some robotic limbs I need a brain to computer interface.   Pastor Bill: [13:54] It just gets worse than both directions from here trust me I can guarantee it he just gets worse in both directions. I trust Phoenix says no she's just knowing that to a bat brain is quoting Monty Python she's a witch will she float.   Pastor Newms: [14:25] Big big guns of the only thing I.   Pastor Bill: [14:29] Take big gun you just wipe them out and be like that fixes the problem.   Pastor Newms: [14:33] Like it's really like dot dot dot dot dot dot dot as they're getting you know and just deal with it move on because it's not.   Pastor Bill: [14:43] You wipe yourself out no no these are smart bullets they won't hit anything that's close to my own DNA so I'm not wiping out any of my ancestors.   Pastor Newms: [14:53] Well you couldn't the rule the true laws of time wouldn't allow that sorry.   Pastor Bill: [14:58] Well they would. Yes it's like a stream you can throw a rock in the Stream and divert the stream but it's just going to reconnect and and and do the same eventuality anyway.   Pastor Newms: [15:14] Because as soon as soon as you killed someone who, destroyed you you've now destroyed the ability to go back and kill any of them it doesn't I don't believe in the fragmentation of time I believe in the straight one, line anyhoo that is not what we're talking about tonight we are.   Pastor Bill: [15:37] I believe in I believe in similar eventual outcomes. In regards to changing time you believe in self-fulfilling, if you go back in time and change something it was because you already did that before, yeah that's what you believe and that's the perfect leave at that's just as valid as believing that time is ruled by three magical Wizards that sit outside of time and are part reptilian and. Because you're talking time travel that's 100%.   Pastor Newms: [16:17] Theoretical today.   Pastor Bill: [16:24] You'd think if time travel was possible we'd know by now well no you wouldn't not if you can't time travel back further than the machine you created then you wouldn't know it or anyway.   Pastor Newms: [16:39] There's a lot of time paradoxes that can happen in time paradoxes are no fun.   Pastor Bill: [16:44] See this is how you get to know the pastor's you're learn more about us right now than you probably bargained for what we believe about time travel and get it. Okay oh he's puffing smoke a wrote a book speaking of streams did you know that if a beaver's dam gets messed up they don't have the mental capacity to process it was destroyed and be upset, they simply just start over. I mean I think it's less of that and more of the they're not sure how to pump all the water back out after they patch the hole it's just flooded there's no choice.   Pastor Newms: [17:36] You got to start over.   Pastor Bill: [17:37] They don't have hydraulic pumps or anything.   Pastor Newms: [17:40] Got to start over all right.   Pastor Bill: [17:57] You and I were both raised I'm gonna go out on a limb and say. To believe that the Bible from cover to cover is the inerrant word of God spoken about in John 1:1. The word was with God the Word was God.   Pastor Newms: [18:22] No I was not taught that part I was taught that that word, became flesh so that that word was the motive that's what I was taught but I was taught that the word of God is inspired inherent and infallible yes.   Pastor Bill: [18:42] Inspired inerrant and infallible. And I was raised believing that it was inerrant, I can't remember too much emphasis being put on the inspired part I was kind of downplayed I think and the infallible definitely, and then I was taught to believe that, when it's Edward in John 1:1 it was specifically talking about this the 66 books and that these 66 books, became a living flesh being who was the person Jesus. And that's what I taught I was taught that this was. Everything Jesus was made up of its whole mental capacity as whole everything was this and a lot of Evangelical churches, that I know of have taught that are still teaching that, that this is tantamount to equal with Jesus and equal with God and therefore is Holy in and of itself. You can't write in it you can't question it you can't study it you can't comparatively, analyze it you have to be respectful of it it's Untouchable it's basically all the definitions you give to an idol. That's what that is and.   Pastor Newms: [20:28] Yeah see and I wasn't taught anywhere close to that in most I can't say like when I was like our little little kid because some of those churches were a little fun but. Even you know schools and stuff that I went to didn't go that far. Not saying I agree with everything they did teach about the Bible but. I didn't go that far that far. That actually cuz we haven't had that part of the conversation before and that explains some other feelings that you have. And because if I was taught that I would definitely have some more issues around it in how you speak sometimes but continue.   Pastor Bill: [21:23] See your learning stuff two decades in and you're still learning stuff about.   Pastor Newms: [21:28] Because you don't love me enough to tell me these things ahead of time.   Pastor Bill: [21:30] Little just come out like they they wait until the right time then they pop out and I'm like bleep yeah here you go below information right, so where you stand today in all of your study and all of your prayer and all of your belief and all of your everything do you still stand 100% on this inspired inerrant and infallible. Position. Let me just stop you right there if your beliefs weren't messy then you wouldn't be giving this topic the respect it deserves.   Pastor Newms: [22:18] Well yeah so. I believe that scripture is inspired the problem is the definition of scripture, the problem is the definition of all and the problem is and then that then takes the next steps and continues through the inerrancy and the infallibility now I believe. That God in the Holy Spirit. Kept the ideals and the overarching importance, of the Bible too its form and protected against. Complete and total an ally Annihilation I don't necessarily agree that, there is a specific version a specific and that's where you start getting into the issues of inherent C and infallibility is because, translations, translate certain aspects completely different and can mean completely different things and how they translate it and that is where you start to get into the messy part of this conversation in my opinion.   Pastor Bill: [23:45] Okay so let me let me boil that down to a much simpler statement okay you believe that all scripture is god-breathed and therefore inerrant. Scripture we haven't defined what scripture is in that statement. But that you believe what second Timothy 3:16 Says all scripture is god-breathed and then we take that step to say well it is therefore then inerrant you also believe that. The Bible is this collection of 66 books is infallible. It's not necessarily inherent from cover to cover but infallible.   Pastor Newms: [24:33] Yes I do not believe the Bible goes against God in any way and I do not believe I don't believe there's errors written.   Pastor Bill: [24:45] No well you you've left room for.   Pastor Newms: [24:50] Well now you're cutting out and I can't hear you so.   Pastor Bill: [24:52] Sorry you've left room for historical inaccuracies. To contradict yourself but in infallibility you've said that even if those details are reported different that the message it teaches has been. Simply put the inerrancy of the Bible means that someone believes that and then we're not talking about the inerrancy of the word scripture, because we'll talk about the definition of the word scripture here a little bit we're talking about specifically the 66 books. The Theology of the inerrancy of the Bible those 66 books, it means that you believe that every sentence within its text is reliably historically and literally the accurate and true words of God. That means you hang your hat on every statement as being 100% this happened, this is true the details are perfectly accurate and in no way biased or influence by culture, that's what the Theology of inerrancy of the Bible teaches and a lot of people when they say I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible they don't realize. What they're claiming about the Theology of, the inerrancy of the Bible right and so whenever we have this conversation with people about will do you believe in the inerrancy of the Bible a most people don't understand what that theology actually teaches, and if they would take time to actually go through line by line what that theology teaches it's likely they would partially agree with that but not fully agree with that, you're saying you can't hear me right now which is fine.   Pastor Newms: [27:07] You're breaking up real bad.   Pastor Bill: [27:08] They would say they partially agree with the Theology of inerrancy but not fully agree when they go through line by line what that theology teaches, the infallibility of the Bible as a theology, teaches that the text within the Bible is reliably capable, of communicating the intended message that God and the author that God inspired wanted communicated. So God inspired the author to write the author wrote down and the actual message the intended information, was communicated and that even if there are contradictions and slight details I'm breaking up again. Why are we having such a hard time, even though it may be slight problems in slight details as in Matthew saying one thing happened and Mark saying it happened differently because two people have two different perspectives, that's okay because two people can tell the same story and the story still be true even though two people look at it differently. That's infallibility not inerrancy okay so let's talk about what the definition of scripture, actually is okay the Greek word means holy writ. Or it can be used for anything that's written it's graph a graph graph a, scripture make sure I'm using the right word yeah graphe, it's graphe a any document that's written down by hand is can you can use the word graphic for, it's the word scripture and so when they use the word scripture in the Bible though as as writers of, documents that they intend to, inspire people to live a certain way or correct certain things about Doctrine so basically we're talking about every book of the New Testament, when they're intending to teach and they use the word scripture they don't mean any written document they literally mean a holy writing okay, so when we go and we look at, what the defining Mark is for understanding what a scripture is and when they were. Struggling for hundreds of years starting in I want to say. What year was that by 367 ad they had it, pretty well figured out but the struggle started in I want to say it was 150 ad. They were struggling with what New Testament books to endorse as quote-unquote scripture and they didn't have they hadn't land it on, the books that we have right now there were several books that get left out of the original, thing that people were advising people to read as a new testament and then there's this, modern overwhelming teaching, that it was just understood that everything we believed to be the Old Testament was always, considered scripture was always used for teaching was always used for correcting was always scripture right that the Old Testament was always scripture except, when you go back and you look at the things that, Paul quoted the things that Peter quoted the things that Jesus himself quotes, um now I know for sure Jesus but I'm stretching for Paul and Peter you're not going to find them quoting. From Old Testament books that aren't part of the law collection and the prophets collection, which means Joshua Judges Ruth first and second Samuel first and second Kings first and second chronicles Ezra Nehemiah Esther job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon, none of these books when Jesus walked the Earth were actually considered scripture, and even Jesus himself I know for sure because I went and did the researcher there today he never quotes from any of those books. He references Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Isaiah Jeremiah Lamentations Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Jonah Micah Nahum habakkuk Zephaniah haggai Zechariah Malachi and Psalms which are the books of the law, and all of the minor and major prophets as well as Psalms these are the only books that Jesus ever referenced. All the gospels where we have everything that he ever said. As recorded I mean obviously he said of the things you know cause you can't say pass me the salt, without saying pass me the salt and obviously they didn't write down when he was out of meal and was like they're gonna get some of that salt because you know surely he did, ask for things surely he used regular words surely they had regular conversations sure they at some point he was like man, I gotta go take a dump so I'll be back in a few. I mean obviously you didn't use those words but the equivalent of hey man I got to go take care of this I'll be back and they didn't write that down in the Bible. Only references these specific books and it's the same books that you find, being referenced by the rest of the New Testament and you got all these books that weren't referenced, because they weren't really considered scripture they were considered poetry they were considered history, they were considered other things they weren't considered to be scripture but then today we quote from things like, Joshua and judges and Esther and job and Proverbs and we go well the scripture says we find no evidence anywhere in the Bible. That leads us to believe any of those books were considered scripture until-- a hundred and fifty a d-- We don't even have a historical reference to those being scripture until a hundred and fifty a d-- And at some point someone decided Well all this Jewish collection is all scripture now when it wasn't before now I'm not opposed, to having Revelations and gain New Revelations and God doing a new thing that's how Revelations work you know I'm not one of those people that and we talked about this a couple weeks ago, when someone says well they didn't start teaching that until so and so as their main point that's a red flag, that's that shouldn't be your main point right because God can can make New Revelations on the same scripture so I'm not opposed to that but when we are defining what is scripture. We can't point to a collection of books that didn't even start to be collected as that collection. Until over a hundred years after the death of Christ. We can't just blanket say all of this description. That's not how that works even Paul himself in some of his writings he'll say. Now this is what I believe I don't want you to take it as a command from the Lord this is my opinion blah. Now obviously that's not scripture that's Paul even categorically saying this is not scripture this is my personal opinion right. And so. We have to understand that in second Timothy 3:16 when it says all scripture is dot-dot-dot gonna go god-breathed. Paul is not talking about a collection of 66 books that some is going to start putting together. 90 - 60 years after he writes that that's not what he's referencing. We know that's always referencing because we know Paul's not a prophet, never claimed to be a prophet never met any prophecies and that would most definitely be a prophecy, to say you know we're gonna put together a thing and we're gonna call it the Bible and it's gonna be scripture and then you've got Jude. Referencing a do what's called a deuterocanonical, deuterocanonical deuterocanonical Book of Enoch okay so there's apocryphal books meaning their books that were believed to have been written after Malachi, but before Matthew, better than included in most Jewish studies modern Jewish studies and in most Catholic Bibles those are the apocryphal books then you got to deuterocanonical canonical canonical books. That are books that Christians around the world have adopted as Canon. But the Catholic church does not endorse and the Jewish belief is that yeah it would be good for you to read it but it's not part of your required studies, like The Book of Enoch okay scripture can exist in those books. And there was something I wanted to talk about where did you go why is that zooming out.   Pastor Newms: [38:28] Hey Pastor Bill you have a hole in your shirt.   Pastor Bill: [38:34] Stop that. I know, the cat did it. Makes me angry.   Pastor Newms: [38:43] I was like at the at the moment it's right next to the p in your name it's just right there just.   Pastor Bill: [38:51] Why is my computer trying to make me zoom in or zoom out right now that doesn't make any sense oh maybe because my arm is on the keyboard I'm reaching over my keyboard. Okay so by 353. What year was that 364 all.   Pastor Newms: [39:18] I'm not good with the years.   Pastor Bill: [39:23] 367 by 367 ad there were was a collection of books that they believed were authentic, New Testament scripture, okay so we're talking 267 years after the time of Christ a bunch of churches and their leadership finally decided that of the Ada, eight zero gospel accounts that had been found, and the numerous letters claimed to have been written by Paul or Peter or James or Jude or, judah's Bartholomew I mean the list goes on and on and on all these letters that they had that didn't make it. They came up with a system for deciding what should be a new testament book what shouldn't be New Testament book and they were actually using these words by them Old Testament and New Testament, number one was Apostolic did it come from an apostle did one of the Apostles of Christ pin this work, that was number one if it if they did then it automatically made the first cut they automatically went okay this goes in the in the good pile, surprisingly enough only Matthew Mark Luke and John, of 80 gospels those are the only four that met the first run even though mark, I didn't actually meet Jesus, it's believed that Mark was only writing down Peters words because Peter was old and was having vision problems and couldn't couldn't right you know he's got that old arthritic thing going on and so Mark was writing down Peters words, number two authentic does it have the ring of Truth did it sound when read out loud. To those people like it was something that was worthy of being included in a holy document, or did it sound like it was written by Joe Schmo down the road who is just a normal guy was it eloquent or was it simpleton. Number three ancient has it been used from the earliest of times do the ideas taught in this writing. Line up with and builds upon the ideas that the church in general, has taught over the years for instance. By this time he had agree all agreed on what the Trinity was on the belief of the trinity, and if any phrase in any of these books these writings that were being considered made it sound like the author, did wasn't endorsing the trinity then it got kicked out accepted. Were most of the known churches using this writing. And at this time only 23 of the now 27 books that we have were actually in wide use, 23 of them and then the others were added because they met a certain amount of these other criteria. Number 5 accurate, does it conform to the theological teachings of the church. In the year 360 ad. If it didn't agree with the teachings of the church and 360 ad for whatever reason it was disqualified. And that's how they came to agree loosely. What the 27 books of the New Testament would be now we know that Paul wrote a lot of letters and we know that you know they're out there, and there's a lot of arguments online that point to a lot of scriptures. And a lot of non scriptures in my opinion that say things like the words that were delivering to you are scripture. Except when you go back and read them it says things like the words that we did deliver to you in person. Our God breathed inspired of God and now we're writing you a follow-up letter, because that it ended up you need encouragement you'd fallen off the trail you've blah blah blah so you don't actually have the original teachings, that Paul and Peter and all these guys were going around teaching because they weren't writing those down they were delivering them orally. We only have their follow-up letters highlighting the areas where their people were struggling with or needed encouragement in only the hard things we don't have any of the easy stuff, that they actually taught face-to-face which is very frustrating to me all right. Um because it would be nice to have all that other stuff. Are you with me so far Pastor Newms everything you want to add or contract or whatever.   Pastor Newms: [45:29] Well so we are 51 minutes and a now I'll say it. English is a terrible language.   Pastor Bill: [45:40] English is so hard so hard.   Pastor Newms: [45:43] And so there's a lot that. You know people teach in Herrin see teacher people teach infallibility and they don't agree on what those words even mean, I was reading one article today that taught the up.   Pastor Bill: [46:02] Ah Zaidee.   Pastor Newms: [46:06] Of the opposite of what we're talking about right now which is what most people believe inherently and infallible seemed means they were teaching the exact opposite that. The infallibility means it's never ever ever inaccurate and its inherent meaning it it can't be proven wrong and it was like wait that.   Pastor Bill: [46:32] That's backwards of what the rest of the world believes those words mean come on.   Pastor Newms: [46:37] It's so it I mean it's a problem.   Pastor Bill: [46:40] Yeah that's the problem.   Pastor Newms: [46:41] And you know I think. Over time we have stretched, what our beliefs are from individuals and groups of individuals who had goals in mind, and sadly I think that has tainted. Some of the translations and some of the beliefs that the modern church has because of that. You know it's one of them things.   Pastor Bill: [47:30] It's one of them things it really is okay so if you don't have anything else you want to talk about about the definition of scripture the word scripture or what is you know.   Pastor Newms: [47:43] So you know for me I believe. The 66 books that we have are all important I think they are all. They all at some point meet the definition of scripture that's given in. Timothy but I don't necessarily believe every aspect in them. Does because of situations like where Paul says this is my opinion where Paul says bring me my coat you know there's nothing we can get doctrinally, that brick that builds up the church or that is used for Doctrine and bring me my coat, the rest of the writings around that are really good and I believe that. You know God did Keep. You know preserved the knowledge that we need in those books. But. You know there is that aspect of you can't trust a single translation several of the translations are wrong in my opinion in different places, because of how they translate the Greek or the Hebrew or. Things like that whereas some are really good. Which is why I study with it at least 3 anytime I study because. Different people translated each time. But that's that's my thing and then you have the Council of nicaea later the other councils that came after the times you're talking about.   Pastor Bill: [49:50] For total councils.   Pastor Newms: [49:54] And well there were four that talked about scripture correct.   Pastor Bill: [49:59] Right for that dealt with what are we where are we calling cannon not exclusively dealt with what are we calling Cannon but dealt with what are we calling.   Pastor Newms: [50:08] But there were there were other councils that, determined things that determined what they would like like what you were mentioning of hey it has to be one of the beliefs that the church holds those other. Councils are where those were set. And so it is interesting to look at some of those historically and how that shaped modern Christianity. And of course my favorite story ever comes from one of them so but anyway. We're not going to we're not going to tell it today we're not going to tell us today on purpose so that way people are like which news is favorite story and then they'll have to hear it at some point.   Pastor Bill: [51:01] The man.   Pastor Newms: [51:04] Because we'll get to it we're getting to the season where it's going to be used well we can't get through November and December without it coming up but stay with us you'll get it. What else did you want to say Pastor Bill while you're looking through your nose.   Pastor Bill: [51:22] So I actually was looking at my notes I was reading the letter of. The thinness and effing Asia's the first person in 83 67 this was his Easter letter, to Believers that was revealed at the Pascal Festival where we get the first complete list of the 66 books that, we hold to be Cannon because I like. I like his his sixth paragraph in this letter he's talking about you know here's here's the Old Testament books here's the New Testament books, and then he sums up what I think is a very very very important point, that the church forgot over the years that allowed this, to leave the status of what it is and become what I growing up was taught that it was okay, and and I read what he said here he says after giving the list he does one paragraph for Old Testament one paragraph for New Testament he says, these are Fountains of Salvation that they who thirst may be satisfied with the living words they contain in these alone is proclaimed the doctrine of godliness, let no man add to these, neither let him take out from these for concerning these Lord put to shame the Sadducees and said he do are not knowing the scriptures and he reprove the Jews saying, search the scriptures for these are they that testify of me so let me. Kind of modernize that some he said these 66 books are what you need to know. To understand your salvation, and all the details for salvation that you need to know are within these books and the other books that, people have gone to they don't have the doctrines in them that you need for salvation they're not wrong, they're not invalid. But this is your basis of understanding salvation the doctrine of understanding salvation exists Within These pages. That was his point study these these 66 books to understand salvation. In nowhere in there did he say. This alone is the exhaustive word of God and nowhere in there did he say that every jot and Tittle of these 66 books, is the inspired word of God he said the doctrine of salvation that you need. Is Within These pages and that's true this is probably, the most important collection of writings ever. But when I go to the Old Testament and I see instructions to the Israelites about the right way and the wrong way to sell your daughter into slavery, and I see instructions to the priest about how to decide if a woman has been unfaithful to her husband. And cause a miscarriage and shrivel up their womb. These are not details that the book is intended for. These are details of what God dealt with those people according to their culture at that time that is part of an overall story to understand why. Why Jesus why Jesus says a man human why Jesus sacrifice what does that mean to me. I don't look at the Old Testament and go, these are instructions on how I'm supposed to live my life I need to go get some dust and mix it in with some water and mix it in with this plant that by the way would probably just make a gross kind of tea and not cause any kind of miscarriage. And it's probably just. A way to tell the man to grow up and love his wife so that she's not feeling like she needs to go out and look for justification in the arms of another man. Because I can almost guarantee you one hundred percent of the time when that happened that, the woman was found innocent because even the tone of the text is satirical in nature like, getting off on a tangent I've seen so many videos using that as God endorses abortion right here in this shit I'm like that's not. Text means at all breathe okay yeah I like bit so often, you know in my later teenage years and grown up you'd hear like Bible stands for basic instructions before leaving Earth, and it's interesting that that yeah but it's so interesting in that and that what is it called anagram, anyway it's so interesting that that lines up so well when it literally has nothing to do with why it's called Bible but it's so accurate, yeah the Bible is the basic instruction and I do mean basic as in, you know I'm over it that's so Elementary I mean Ian basic as in you build a foundation for a building, and you build on top of that Foundation that's the Bible this is the foundation of our Christian beliefs and then we build on top of it, and too often we've got so many Christians standing outside of the building worshipping the foundation. Instead of building on top of the foundation. But that's my personal experience okay so this Universal Bible don't let the name, throw you because it first it through me until I actually looked at what was inside of it before I bought it as far as universal what they mean is it's got what every. Christian sect will say sect considers to be Canaan scripture so what the Samaritan believers, hold as Canon Bible what the Hebrew Believers hold his Cannon Bible what the Orthodox Believers holders can in Bible what the Catholics hold his Cannon Bible but the Syriac Believers holds Canada Bible but the Ethiopian, Believers hold as Cannon Bible and then what the pro majority of, North American Believers are the Protestants what the Parsons hold as the Canon Bible okay. And so you've got all the the books that you would expect to have you know all the 39 Old Testament books you've got all the 27 New Testament books, then you've got other things that you wouldn't expect that like I said in the words of this this guy, Athanasius they're good they're not the basis of the doctrine of salvation, but they're good for enriching your Christian faith and your walk you've got the epistle to the Ladeoetians written by Paul, you've got a book called the acts of Paul and Thecla you've got a third Corinthians letter, you know First Corinthians second with is now a third Corinthians letter that Paul had written. And then you've got the apart for apocryphal and deuterocanonical books first as draws second as dress 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th Maccabees the Epistle of Jeremiah the prayer of Azariah the book of Baruch, the prayer of Manasseh Bell and the Dragon, interesting story wisdom of sirach wisdom of Solomon not to be confused with the Song of Solomon because it's not, the parts of Esther that were removed they're here, um Tobit Judith Susanna Enoch, all three books merged into one text jubilees first Clement the Ascension of Isaiah Shepherd of hermas the Didact I don't know he said that detach, The Apocalypse of Baruch did counting of Josephus of the 6th Jewish War, and the fourth Bucca book of Barack. These are all the books that are considered Canon by any believers, and then you've also got Psalms chapter 151 which isn't in, the partisan Canon Bible which is interesting. And yeah so if you wanted to get a look into all that all the extra books and see you know. What is considered Canon by other believers who have gone yeah this is this is great stuff to have, um to know to enrich your faith to grow shoot us a message and I can send you the link to where you can go get this it won't be one of those I'll get a kickback when you buy it because, we're not going to do that that's that's pointless, if you want this resource then I'm more than happy to send you the link and I'm not going to get anything out of it but it's really great and, it's a little difficult to navigate because of just just the way they've laid out the chapters and there's no you know names at the top of the pages too, just open randomly and see where you are but there is a, table of contents so you can find the beginning of a book and then work your way forward to where you want to be it does have the the first numbers and all that so but yeah there's so much more, that Christians have identified as Canon that exists, outside of the 66 books that more or less the Catholic Church, decided for the Protestants that we would hold as Cannon so. Is scripture inerrant yes. Is every jot and Tittle of the Bible scripture not in my opinion based off of my research. Is the Bible infallible yes I believe all 66 books do the job of being available to teach the message intended. Now of course those words can be twisted and corrupted and taught wrong and on and on and on and on. They are available to teach the message intended and capable of and so. When you're moving forward in your Christian walk and you're trying to decide well what do I believe where do I go what do I do this is that Foundation if you start to believe something, that then this directly contradicts. Then we need to understand, what is that contradiction and why does it exist, is that contradiction because you don't fully understand what is they believe or is that contradiction that you don't fully understand the content matter here, is it because there's a cultural thing being taught in a certain part of script of, there goes it's hard to get around these words of just blanket calling it scripture because of the way I was raised you know is there a context thing where it's a cultural you know cautionary Tale, which happens a lot so yes we face those issues we've got a question from someone on Twitch, the call themselves haitham 9 kin way I hope I said that right it's hard with you switch to him sometime is it wrong that I love Jesus even though, I'm assuming that was supposed to be the word gay they put geh and so. I'm gonna say it's not wrong to love Jesus no matter who you are or, how you are or what you're into and we don't normally use those kind of words in this context what you've gone you know forward with and saying there, but no it's not wrong to love Jesus Just As You Are, and if something in your life needs to be different that's not my call, that's not Pastor newms is call that's not anyone's call except for between you and God, if you love Jesus and you pursue Jesus and you pursue relationship with God and you study the Bible, and that is then up to you, if you feel like something in your life is wrong and if you feel like that needs to change that's between you and God. Can I love cows even though I'm not a Christian someone else asks on Twitch I think you're confusing Christianity with Hinduism, and you can love cows even if you're not a Hindu well the twitch chat is really popping right now it's nice.   Pastor Newms: [1:07:19] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [1:07:21] All right so we're 13 minutes over our normal time so we will head and wrap this up, I want everyone out there to understand that we want everyone to be able to be a part of what we're doing, and they have a safe space here no matter who you are, what you believe or what your orientation is Haytham 9 Kenway I would love to have a conversation with you off of the live about having a relationship with Jesus and, your question was there can I ask Jesus for forgiveness I'm really really gay and I think there's a lot of stigma, that you're dealing with in that question alone and so there's a lot to unpack there that I'd like to unpack off the air. What do you asking forgiveness for cuz if it's for being yourself then you know, that's a stigma that you're going to need to deal with that has nothing to do with your relationship with Jesus, because you come to Jesus as you are but we're going to wrap this up for tonight, this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time anywhere that you can get podcasts every Sunday night at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time we're here live and you can join us live, and be a part of the conversation and ask questions and we always have a theme that we're going with on the Sunday nights and so we'd love to have people, come in and join the conversation and so for tonight we're going to sign off and we love you guys I hope you have a great week.   Pastor Newms: Stay safe.   Pastor Bill: And, "Until next time..."

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Welcome to the Startup Junkie's Podcast!   This week we mixed it up a little. Jeff Amerine, Caleb Talley, and Davis McEntire are joined by guest co-host Tim McFarland and sit down with Tim Miller of Central Standard. Old friends, Tim and Jeff, catch up on his newest venture on the entrepreneurial journey. This episode discusses the flaws in talent recruiting agencies who pull from the international pools and what makes Central Standard different.    Thanks for joining us!   Shownotes: (0:49) Introducing Tim Miller of Central Standard (1:38) From Collegiate Track Athlete to Serial Entrepreneur (11:01) Experience as an Early Stage Startup (16:48) The War on Talent (31:55) Why Mexico?  (35:50) Business Growth Outpacing Talent (40:08) Culture's Influence on Customer Loyalty (45:22) Central Standard's Business Model (55:34) Wrap Up   Links: Jeff Amerine Caleb Talley Davis McEntire Timothy McFarland Timothy Miller Central Standard   "It's a talent and recruiting agency, but I like to call a talent agency because first and foremost, I think what makes us different is we are trying to appeal to the talent down there, much like a CAA (creative artists agency.)"   (20:46) Tim Miller   "I think our message resonates. They see that we care about their career. We wanna help them find an industry."   (25:37) - Tim Miller   "We want to help people identify opportunities."   (24:13) - Tim Miller   "What you are seeing is that the people with deep pockets, um, are, are able to attract talent and, and, and talent is moving at a frequency. It's never moved before. Loyalty lasts only so long."    (35:05) - Tim Miller   startupjunkie.org   wlj.com

Pastor Bill: [0:20] Hello and welcome to The Berean Manifesto Season 3 episode 44; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. We are recording this live on Sunday the September 12th, at 1:30 p.m. Central Standard time, and if you wanted you could join us on Sundays. We broadcast this live to Facebook, Twitch, and YouTube. And you can find out which channels on Twitch, YouTube, and Facebook by going to ekk.house h-o-u-s-e .house. And then you can join us and you can see our lovely faces. Not that our faces matter like Newms keeps saying. Newms would rather we not even do a video version of this but you know - that's neither here nor there and you can.   Pastor Newms: [1:20] Don't you like my face.   Pastor Bill: [1:22] And you can be a part of the conversation in the chat and yeah so then it becomes less of you're just listening to what we're saying and more you can actually input if you wanted to, if you didn't want to input you wouldn't have to that'd be fine too, but we would like to have as many people as possible join us live so that we get actual you know conversations going and it's not just us, you know speaking out to you but you're a part of what's going on so.   Pastor Newms: [1:55] Yes more of a discussion which is what we've always tried to focus on not.   Pastor Bill: [2:01] Yeah so how was your week pastor Newms?   Pastor Newms: [2:04] What works pretty good it's been very busy, trying to wrap up one position and move towards the next in my professional life so it's been very very busy so, yeah that's um that's always fun and then started playing a game that I played a long time ago and, k   Pastor Bill: [2:35] Wasn't that the week before last when we start playing like it now that was this week was.   Pastor Newms: [2:38] It was this week and then we actually did our first Gaming With The Pastor's stream, and that was fun. It lasted about four hours till some time in the morning that is way past both our bed times because we roll.   Pastor Bill: [2:59] Way back and then I stayed up another hour.   Pastor Newms: [3:03] You told me 30 minutes.   Pastor Bill: [3:06] Hmm it was 3 a.m. didn't we didn't reach off the game at two oh so 30 minutes then another 30 minutes.   Pastor Newms: [3:10] No it was 2:30 I was like hmm how late did you really stay up.   Pastor Bill: [3:17] No no I did I turned it off at three and then I was I was in bed by 3:15 which is still for me at my age just way too late yeah.   Pastor Newms: [3:41] Or she switched one of the other.   Pastor Bill: [3:44] Or she switched over from one to the other she says she's at a subway and I asked her to bring me a meatball sub because if you don't know that, Roxanne on Facebook and Bat-Brains on YouTube that's my wife and she's out with the girls and the Finnick today they were looking at Halloween costumes and doing some Halloween shopping because it's a big it's a big holiday for us you know. And we celebrate it as much as we can and then Biggs asked if she would bring him a meatball sub too. She said she'd meet him halfway which he's saying is Little Rock, Arkansas.   Pastor Newms: [4:21] Huh it is that is the halfway point between our two places.   Pastor Bill: [4:25] And I honestly hope she's joking because I don't think we can afford the gas right now to drive to little rocking.   Pastor Newms: [4:33] If you're going to drive to Little Rock and she comes halfway to where we live without you, can you imagine how salty you would be when you realized she was halfway to my house and you didn't get to go the rest of the way you know I think you'd be pretty salty.   Pastor Bill: [4:52] Biggs can you imagine the Uber Eats bill to drive a meatball sub from the Metroplex to Little Rock, Arkansas?   Pastor Newms: [5:01] And it's not like we don't have Subway it's the funniest thing for him to request.   Pastor Bill: [5:08] Hmm yeah this funny you get me a meatball sub and drive it to Nashville or halfways fine I'll meet you halfway you know.   Pastor Newms: [5:19] Biggs on the upside he actually the chip issues they were having with the braking systems Nissan is over at the moment so he actually gets to return back to work tomorrow which is.   Pastor Bill: [5:33] I assumed it was since I got my computer.   Pastor Newms: [5:36] Well so the shortage is not over.   Pastor Bill: [5:43] But better.   Pastor Newms: [5:44] But better and we'll see where it ends up because at first it was the chips for the onboard computers, which caused the issue and that also caused her issue and then it was, because of a different part for the braking systems which was different and now like he's mentioning they are day to day at the Nissan here and up in Smyrna Tennessee and we will continue to pray they get all the parts they need and, no other natural disaster or pandemic, people are saying it's moved from a pandemic to a whatever the next stage is.   Pastor Bill: [6:28] There's a stage after pandemic.   Pastor Newms: [6:29] A pandemic is like a sudden onset and you know it's it's and then it should go away and then you have.   Pastor Bill: [6:38] So they're calling it a plague now.   Pastor Newms: [6:40] No no a plague is technically a type of pandemic but it's like an endemic or something like it's like what the flu is where it just never goes away it's just different all the time. I read something that I'm trying to change that to stop referring to it as a pandemic because it's not going anywhere. Which of course is frustrating to read anywhere and your video is frozen but your audio is coming through great so I'm not sure.   Pastor Bill: [7:14] Yeah your your video is Frozen as well and what I'm receiving on my phone, I'm pretty sure I'm on the correct Wi-Fi.   Pastor Newms: [7:24] Well you can check because we won't know though yeah an updated right as you check that's always fun.   Pastor Bill: [7:29] I can't get it to there ago yeah I'm on the cellular instead of the so should be on the right thing.   Pastor Newms: [7:34] Well you know yeah it's real bad quality but luckily we'll fix that.   Pastor Bill: [7:40] Anyway we can't fix video and.   Pastor Newms: [7:45] No but the podcast the voices will be great in even if it hiccups because of how we're doing it now technically we're not dealing with any for the podcast it's just the video isn't always perfect which happens.   Pastor Bill: [7:59] Yeah the videos the only thing we're actually broadcasting right now, because or rather recording we're broadcasting the voice to the live video but then by the time the podcast comes out I record my audio now to my computer that I have leveling named Bertha, this is Big Bertha down here.   Pastor Newms: [8:20] Please please please explain what Big Bertha is because when you first told me I was like that is so insensitive and then you explain to me what Big Bertha actually is not just a big lady named Bertha.   Pastor Bill: [8:36] Growing up I was a fan of Super Mario Brothers and in Super Mario Brothers you find a bunch of different bad guys and one of the hostels the bad guys the species is called cheap cheap and then of these fish, and one of the fishes is named Big Bertha and she's just giant Cheep Cheep that when you're running through the level she comes up to the surface and she goes back and forth across the bottom of the screen waiting for you to fall into the water so she can then attack you. And that's Big Bertha and she's just giant fish beautiful giant fish I love her she's like my favorite hostile in all of Super Mario Brothers fandom, and so yeah so Big Bertha is this giant fish that is very difficult to, take down to defeat and you don't have to defeat her you can just jump past her and sometimes I like to just stand on a platform and watch her swim back and forth underneath me. Now on a side note they did come out with a Super Mario Brothers movie and they did cast someone as a Big Bertha.   [9:52] And it was a large black woman but that's not the point nor is it what I've named my computer after I made my computer after the video game, character Big Bertha not the Mario movie character Big Bertha.   [10:12] Anyway now you're looking it up why are you looking it up.   Pastor Newms: [10:15] Cuz I did not remember a big oh, the bouncer at the Boom Boom bar.   Pastor Bill: [10:22] The bouncer at the Boom Boom bar is Big Bertha.   Pastor Newms: [10:25] That explains why I looked up one of the stickers of the cheap cheap that you were looking at has her and it because I was like who is this person sitting next to this fish in this thing that I looked up the Super Mario Brothers from 1993 is a very interesting piece of cinematic.   Pastor Bill: [10:50] You pretty much have to be a fan of Super Mario Brothers to enjoy it but then also if you're a fan of Super Mario Brothers you're going to hate it so it's that whole you know the whole love-hate relationship thing.   Pastor Newms: [11:04] Yeah it's a real interesting the movie, the sway is what gets me in that movie.   Pastor Bill: [11:13] Of the Goombas.   [11:21] And then it's fun that they D-evolved King Koopa from a human form and he just becomes a T-Rex, that's so much fun they're like straight-up were like yeah King Koopa was a T-Rex just that's what it is that's why they got those little arms and that's why so angry he just he's a T-Rex.   Pastor Newms: [11:39] But they didn't have shells and he has a show.   Pastor Bill: [11:43] I know I know.   Pastor Newms: [11:46] It was it was too I'm like I'm not going to complain about.   Pastor Bill: [11:50] Is Japanese artistic license.   [11:56] Right they give him a shell because it's artistic license he can have a shell anyway that's neither here nor there how was my week well now equals.   Pastor Newms: [12:03] Oh no no no wait wait wait I want to be clear I'm not mad that King Koopa has a shell.   Pastor Bill: [12:12] Oh you're mad that in the movie he didn't okay okay.   Pastor Newms: [12:16] I'm not I'm not like dinosaurs have to be accurate in every way they're portrayed but don't portray a thing with a shell who, you know, breathes fire and all this other stuff oh it's just a T-Rex and he's not just a t-rex t-rexes are cool not insulting T-Rexes but, he's not a T-Rex he's a Koopa that's the point.   Pastor Bill: [12:47] Coopa is the king of the Koopas and then they.   Pastor Newms: [12:52] And the daddy of a whole bunch of them.   Pastor Bill: [12:54] In that movie they pushed real hard about the mushrooms stuff the Mushroom Kingdom and the Mushroom Kingdom.   Pastor Newms: [13:00] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [13:01] The fungus part of the king that was the fungus growing everywhere yeah it was a.   Pastor Newms: [13:08] He was special.   Pastor Bill: [13:12] All right so how was your week Pastor Bill my week was great this is the second week in a row of has to ask myself how my week was because you didn't ask me.   Pastor Newms: [13:24] I was getting a drink I'm sorry.   Pastor Bill: [13:27] So my new computer came in my Big Bertha, which I've ordered it that sticker Newms found me a sticker of a Big Bertha and see I couldn't find it because I was typing in Big Bertha and I couldn't find it and it was like but you know people are stupid so he typed in Super Mario Brothers fish and it came right up.   Pastor Newms: [13:50] Okay now to be clear that is not what I said what I said was, you were like I'm looking for a Big Bertha sticker I was like what the world is Big Bertha and you're like it's the fish from Super Mario Brothers you know you know I was like no I don't.   Pastor Bill: [14:05] Yeah you know the fish.   Pastor Newms: [14:07] Because I didn't know those things had even had names and so I Googled.   Pastor Bill: [14:12] Every bad guy.   Pastor Newms: [14:14] Mario enter nothing and I was like well I didn't know it was called Big Bertha Mario fish enter is it this where did you find that.   Pastor Bill: [14:26] Fire that and then it was just kind of cheap cheap and I was like well that's the species but that's not what the name of that character is yeah but all of them have names every character in the Mario games has a name everyone of.   Pastor Newms: [14:40] And in almost every character in almost every video game has the developers given names to which is like with a lot of movies you know extras certain of the extras have names you know that's Jon you're like why is it John because John doesn't have a single word.   Pastor Bill: [15:00] So this this is a little different at the end of Super Mario Brothers 3 when you beat the game, it starts playing music "dad dad dad dad dad did" the right did it end it end the bad guys come out one by one and it gives you their name, it actually tells you what their names are and so it's not just something.   Pastor Newms: [15:20] Which is kind of a cool thing.   Pastor Bill: [15:22] Yeah it's not just some of the developers thought up it's something the developers were like yes we're officially in game going to tell you who these characters are.   Pastor Newms: [15:31] Everything back then nowadays games are different because a lot of bad guys just it just says I'm ball put up above their head but even back then, everything was named you just didn't always know it like you were talking you were talking about your favorite Zelda, bad guy and I'm like I played the game like I didn't know the bad guy had a name who's the dinosaur bad guy like I don't know and you're like it's my favorite bad guy from this is this and I'm like, huh who from what I calm down dude anyway.   Pastor Bill: [16:14] Yeah so my computer came in and I order sticker to put right here on the side of.   Pastor Newms: [16:19] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [16:21] So we'll take a look down and see my Big Bertha with a sticker of Big Bertha on it I'm very excited.   Pastor Newms: [16:27] I understand that you are.   Pastor Bill: [16:30] Yeah and so yeah so my week has been full of and first off let me say I did not know that just trying to open the box of my computer was going to be a physical workout, literally just trying to get the Box open. Was a physical workout and made my muscles sore so crazy, is it operational yes my computer's operational we use it when we streamed yesterday the day before yesterday and, yeah I've got it running over here it's recording my voice my microphones running into it and then my phone is doing my video and then I'm typing on my laptop, typing on Discord on my laptop so I've got two computers running and a phone to run my setup right now fun fun.   Pastor Newms: [17:32] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [17:34] So my week has been setting up a computer and downloading programs and.   Pastor Newms: [17:39] What you haven't done in many years.   Pastor Bill: [17:44] Yeah and running cables and falling asleep under my desk and, you didn't see that post on Facebook I went down underneath my desk to plug in some cable, and then probably 20 or 30 minutes later Roxanne found me asleep using the subwoofer down there as a pillow, um I was just asleep down there fell asleep plugging in a cable.   Pastor Newms: [18:13] I typically don't use Facebook as much as I should quote unquote, because my friends are always like why I put it on Facebook and I'm like I check Facebook for like 15 minutes like Monday through Friday in the morning while I'm eating breakfast so when did you post it sorry must have got lost in all the other stuff like I'm like I don't know what's going on.   Pastor Bill: [18:42] And then my shoulder was all kinds of sore from laying on the you know fall asleep on the floor. It's just a piece of plywood.   Pastor Newms: [18:56] That's why I'm saying I was around when you replaced it.   Pastor Bill: [19:04] I think yeah that was how my week was so now it's time for getting to know the pastors Pastor Newms it's your week to pull out a card from your deck that you say is infinitely better than my deck so.   Pastor Newms: [19:19] I'll say infinitely I say better I can't prove infinite putting words in my mouth.   Pastor Bill: [19:53] Any object.   [20:02] One who would run the rides.   Pastor Newms: [20:04] You you're the you get it to yourself so if it's a thing that has to be operated those people would be there but they would not get to enjoy the park they'd be just standing around picking their nose to you get there like an.   Pastor Bill: [20:16] So I'm the only one that gets to enjoy it but but they'll be people are working.   Pastor Newms: [20:19] Right and it says to yourself well it doesn't specify you can't invite someone it just says to yourself.   Pastor Bill: [20:28] Hmm yeah it says object or place what Fang what I want or place what I want all to myself for one day.   Pastor Newms: [20:49] That's a rough one because the only thing I can think of is my own house, because I don't get to be by myself a lot because I, so Biggs on Twitch says he would like a Lamborghini for a day, Phoenix says Disney World for a day, a tank so I just like drive around a tank for a day, I don't know I wouldn't want a sports car something I'd end up wrecking and killing myself or something I don't I don't know.   Pastor Bill: [21:56] I can't think of anything.   Pastor Newms: [21:58] And see the problem is it says in the world if it didn't say in the world I'd say something like the TARDIS. Because a day Define 24-hour you know what I mean like once you've stolen the Tardis you guys are tired and like I haven't gotten back yet.   Pastor Bill: [22:17] You've got it the day is.   [22:27] That's yeah that's funny.   Pastor Newms: [22:32] Or the DeLorean same thing the DeLorean is more fun because that Mythos allows for time paradoxes whereas the doctor often doesn't, the Tardis doesn't so you could you know go back to, in time actually get Lotto numbers and change your your life as opposed to the Tardis somehow the doctor would show up and beat you for for it, Bill still trying to think we broke him this card broke him guys.   Pastor Bill: [23:10] I have no idea honestly I don't know.   Pastor Newms: [23:20] No I just thought of something that could actually be a thing and I would like The King The King Spa.   Pastor Bill: [23:30] I've ever been.   Pastor Newms: [23:31] I know but I love that place the thing I hate the most about it is there's so many people there, but just to be able to enjoy all those different saunas and the pool and the everything without people I think I would thoroughly enjoy that, how's it going I think I could get behind that yeah Final Answer yeah, that's my final answer and you still don't know.   Pastor Bill: [23:57] I still just I have no idea man. That's funny.   Pastor Newms: [24:13] What does that even mean.   Pastor Bill: [24:15] Rayne GFG.   [24:19] Are you mean emo amusement park I think it would be like a Nightmare Before Christmas themed with nothing but My Chemical Romance playing over the speakers all day long.   Pastor Newms: [24:31] I was going to say like like the black parade plus Tim Burton movies plus you know that could be cool I could be.   Pastor Bill: [24:40] Are not just the not the whole thing is the number for Christmas but they like like Disneyland does There's a Nightmare Before Christmas.   Pastor Newms: [24:46] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [24:47] Neighborhood and there's a Edward Scissorhands neighborhood and there's like a Adams Family neighborhood you know.   [25:07] I think there's a lot of us that would enjoy to go there.   Pastor Newms: [25:10] I honestly think that there is some marketing potential there but it would be really, hard to pull off all the licensing and getting all of it in one place but I really think I could completely see in the paint the paint would be terrible painting everything black and keeping it black would be just awful but.   Pastor Bill: [25:34] We don't spend everything black you painted all you know how that universe is now that that world is so like in Edward Scissorhands everything is really bright except for his house, everything else in the world is really bright you know.   Pastor Newms: [25:51] Yeah that is true that's true.   Pastor Bill: [25:55] Anyway I don't I don't have an answer to the question so.   Pastor Newms: [26:01] It just sounds like you to design an amusement park now and that's where you'd want to be for the day.   Pastor Bill: [26:20] Oh you're so funny.   Pastor Newms: [26:23] I know.   Pastor Bill: [26:24] I've got a I got enough on my plate already I'm good okay so I think we're sufficiently warmed up.   Pastor Newms: [26:30] Yep we're at the 30-minute mark.   Pastor Bill: [26:32] So tonight we are talking about something that we've talked about it I don't want to say recently but we've talked about it since we started doing the, the podcast in this format where we record it live being content finding contentment and living in peace and I don't know I mean like, we didn't know what we were talking about tonight until probably four o'clock.   Pastor Newms: [27:07] Yeah we were we were struggling to figure it out definitely there wasn't.   Pastor Bill: [27:12] And I don't I don't ever want to force an idea you know if we have to have just a hangout and then we'll have a hangout night I'm not gonna Force you know.   [27:24] And so I just was listening and waiting on the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit, which is a super abstract thing to do until I felt like I came across a subject that the Lord wanted us to talk about, and so here we are contentment and peace so the scripture that I used for the art comes from Philippians, chapter 4 and it's in verse 11, and summary 11 and then we'll go back and we'll talk about what Paul the situation Paul is talking about but this is one of those where, he was talking about specific things but then we can use that concept, to apply to different areas in our life right so in verse 11 he says and we're going to skip that first sentence it's Philippians chapter 4 verse 11 part B.   [28:35] For I've learned to be content in whatever circumstances I find myself, okay so that's what we're talking about being content in whatever circumstances and Paul specifically we're going to jump back to verse 10 and read down through 14.   [28:57] Once again Philippians chapter 4 starting in verse 10, I rejoiced in the Lord greatly because once again you renewed your care for me you were in fact concerned about me but lacked the opportunity to show it, don't say the set of Need for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I find myself, I know both how to make do with little and I know how to make do with a lot, in any and all circumstances I have learned the secret of being content, whether well fed or hungry whether in abundance or in need I am able to do all things through him who strengthens me, still you did well by partnering with me in my hardship all right.   [29:53] So basically he's saying you know you were once a financial supporter you help support my Ministry and then for a while there you couldn't something happened we don't know some happened where they couldn't support his ministry financially anymore, and it then they were again and he's basically you know making note thanking them for their financial support, um and he's going to this whole thing about you know I'm not thankful necessarily because I need it because I'm content whether I have stuff or not but I am thankful.   [30:31] For your partnering with, you know because it's not about a dollar it's not about a thousand dollars it's not about the amount and it's not about what you can get with the support it's about having that support creating that synergy, so that's what Paul is talking about but we're taking that concept, and thinking about how can we apply that to our lives today how can we be content in all of our circumstances because there's a lot of circumstances to not be content about right now right, corn teens and pandemics or in endemics or whatever you want to call them now, vaccinations Force vaccinations masks forced masks, poor Australia with what they're going through I mean that's that's taken things to a whole new level, I mean even if you either side of the way you see things about mandates and pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine, what's going on in Australia is is a whole new level of of interesting I have to say.   Pastor Newms: [31:51] I actually don't know what you're talking about so I have to look this up later.   Pastor Bill: [31:56] Okay so the government basically said you need to get the vaccine, or not leave your you not leave a certain amount of distance from your home, okay great well I still didn't curtail the spread so then they said okay well now you just need to stay in your home if you're not vaccinated okay so that's fine and then they said okay well now we're going to release a phone app, and the phone app you we want you to voluntarily take a picture of yourself, on this timetable schedule and the phone app will be able to tell us if you're infected or not.   Pastor Newms: [32:33] How okay.   Pastor Bill: [32:35] I don't know and now they are required to take a photo every 24 hours showing they are in their home and if they miss a check-in, then they will be issued a warrant for their arrest.   Pastor Newms: [32:56] Okay that is a little interesting.   Pastor Bill: [33:00] So I guess it is interesting it's a whole new level of something so.   [33:08] Content being content right, and it's not a concept that's easily done it's not comes up that's easily grasped it's not something that I can say well I figured this out and I want you to, send me $29.95 and I'll send you my book on how to figure out how to be content no this is a this is a real life you know this is real life, I'm working on issues Pastor Newms is working on issues we are constantly growing and learning and figuring things out and, um I'm not going to sit here and go well everything's perfect I figured it all out, I know one thing that struck my mother from our podcast is when I said you know I'm not afraid of clowns anymore and my anxiety is one away and she's like you got to tell me how you did that, got tell me how what did you do to figure that out and I was just like I don't know I don't have some Universal answer, I just just made peace with I'm going to live until I don't need more and all of that just kind of went away, so it you know and it's just, I don't know something I'm going through I don't know how to tell you to how to do it for you.   Pastor Newms: [34:32] Right.   Pastor Bill: [34:39] Yes now last week we looked at second Timothy 1:7 right God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of love power and a sound mind, so if I was going to give advice in this area about being content and about having peace.   Pastor Newms: [35:02] Mmm.   Pastor Bill: [35:02] It would be that it would be this we talked about that word sound mind goes back to being disciplined, is disciplining your mind and so my advice would be to to, obtain this this state of contentment to grasp this idea of peace and to work towards that, you need to be mentally disciplined, I know there's a pandemic what am I gonna do while most it here are my run through all the scenarios of how that's going to ruin my no no I'm not, I'm gonna go into my mind and I'm going to think about how am I going to love my family, how am I going to love the Lord and keep my mind disciplined instead of letting it run rampant off into left field right, and that's.   [36:01] My advice and my suggestion on how to work on being content in whatever scenario you find yourself in, there's a lot of fear on social media right now about we're going to go into a time of food shortages and toilet paper shortage is again and it's going to be gas shortages and, it's really easy with what's going on in the world right now to have an undisciplined mind and just let it run wild.   [36:34] We have to contain that, and take control of our thought life and have some discipline in that area and not you know go crazy.   Pastor Newms: [37:01] Because that is definitely one of my biggest struggles is anxieties and I mean being being at peace and being content in the situation is very very hard for me, my anxieties I am constantly having to rain, it all in because if I blink wrong, my mind goes you know to 10,000 places and it's just like okay no no no and, the.   [37:39] Yes Biggs just said you know he tells us not to worry and to turn it over to him because at a certain point it's like okay I can't worry about this we had some situations this week financially that you know, it's going to be your heart until we get, bounced back in in between you know there's always that unknown of in between a job and you know something hit that we weren't expecting and it's going to be interesting to figure it out but I can't, worry about it because we have everything we need we have everything, you know it's just okay this week's weird you know and so that's it is definitely something that I've definitely struggled with this week, especially more than normal.   Pastor Bill: [38:41] Yeah and we're going about it's not going to make it better, it's not going to fix it like all you're doing is is literally torturing yourself by worrying about it it's not, I mean there is there is literally no situation where worry solves the problem.   [39:10] Right, you can make plans you can analyze situations and you can move forward but sitting here going well I just I just don't know what's gonna happen in this could happen in that could happen and so it's just going to overtake us, that's worried but you could do the same thing as sitting that you could sit down and logically go well this could happen and if it does then this or this could happen and if it does then this, and there's that too there's two to two different things you know there's worry where you're just a victim you're the victim of the circumstances, and then there's the other where no I'm not a victim I'm preparing I recognize bad things can happen, and I'm preparing do you think that's any in any way related to the to the pessimistic and optimistic thing, the heck glass-is-half-full Russ is half empty.   Pastor Newms: [40:20] I don't know so you know no I think that's just, two outlooks now if you're really stressed out, because the glass is half empty or half full I would say yes but the the thought process of is it I don't think it is.   Pastor Bill: [40:45] Okay but you you've heard what I'm talking about right like now I mean obviously you have but so basically The Optimist, half you know full and the pessimist says well know that glass of lemonade is half empty, and then the realist walks up and goes guys, I don't think that's a lemonade.   [41:23] Hahaha.   [41:28] The realist.   [41:35] I don't think that's lemonade guys.   Pastor Newms: [41:37] Yeah that's um he's a something.   Pastor Bill: [41:43] That's an analogy for life that's the analogy for life.   Pastor Newms: [41:46] All right anyway.   Pastor Bill: [41:51] I'm done I don't have anything else to say I was hoping you'd carry us for the next 12 minutes.   [42:02] I went there big says he went there I did I went there I edited the jokes lightly.   Pastor Newms: [42:10] You did.   Pastor Bill: [42:11] That the word was implied.   Pastor Newms: [42:13] You did you did I did not I was like don't do it, normally I'm you can ask Pastor Bill or anyone who knows me really well I'm the king of bleeping the wrong word when trying to censor something when you relapse.   Pastor Bill: [42:43] Absolutely are.   Pastor Newms: [42:44] And I'll be like I'll bleep the word in front of it or behind it and just let the middle flow and your like I did that wrong it's not what I meant to say.   Pastor Bill: [42:58] What did you just bleep the word "the?" What was wrong with the worthy that you thought you had to bleep.   Pastor Newms: [43:10] Did you really not say mother why did you pleat mother you love your mother why would you bleep that.   Pastor Bill: [43:16] You want your brother.   Pastor Newms: [43:19] Anyway.   Pastor Bill: [43:22] Anyway.   Pastor Newms: [43:23] First board meeting of the church just saying.   [43:35] You want to know.   Pastor Bill: [43:39] Practice contentment and peace.   Pastor Newms: [43:41] You want to do another card and see if it's about contentment and peace.   Pastor Bill: [43:44] Sure let's do another card that'll be a good closer.   Pastor Newms: [43:45] All right you've been given the chance to travel into the future and see how the world will change in the next 50 years what change in particular are you interested in the most.   [44:02] Now my question is is so follow-up question do we get to return. Cuz if we're just traveling and then we're stuck there I'm just going to care about Prosthetics I'm going to care about you know, things to increase and lower my pain levels.   Pastor Bill: [44:38] Zadie the question was if you could travel 50 years in the future what change would you be most interested to know about.   Pastor Newms: [44:50] And when I say the stock market I don't mean I'm interested in the stock market because if you then put money into the stock market you might change the outcomes but like interested in like, who's the next Google you know where do you want to position yourself in your business where do you want to position you know things like that, how to properly position yourself for the next 50 years not necessarily well I just want to make money because money is fun but money isn't everything and if you're miserable you're miserable. That's why I was reading something somewhere it's like if everyone was given a hundred thousand dollars overnight, in two weeks we'd still have, a lot of rich people in a lot of poor people and you're like it's not necessarily inaccurate.   Pastor Bill: [45:45] If everyone woke up with a hundred a hundred thousand dollars richer that's what that would trigger what you call installation suddenly a loaf of bread would cost a hundred dollars. Just overnight.   Pastor Newms: [46:01] Yeah and people would, people that have certain mindsets would continue to and the outcome at the end would be very interesting and like you said it would be a situation like in some countries where the dollar means nothing.   Pastor Bill: [46:22] Just it's worthless. Yeah hundred thousand dollars which yesterday was worth $100,000 today it's worth $10.   Pastor Newms: [46:35] It's like when you're looking for a job I have a friend who works in Tech and he was looking for jobs and he'd get offers from foreign companies to, work as an outsourcer for that foreign company that then outsources to America.   Pastor Bill: [47:03] A hundred thousand what.   Pastor Newms: [47:05] I did it's like wait it's like and it was like oh it's 15,000 a year and you're like oh okay no.   Pastor Bill: [47:17] Yeah I can't survive off of.   Pastor Newms: [47:19] I can't pay my rent on that.   Pastor Bill: [47:24] But in India you'd be a rich man.   Pastor Newms: [47:28] It's not that bad, it's like a third that's like 1/10, yeah anyway and I guess that also would depend on the part of India for talking about the tech sector in Mumbai that's a lot different than, you know other parts of India as well.   Pastor Bill: [47:54] But I haven't been to Mumbai I've only been to Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh, so   Pastor Newms: [48:05] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [48:09] But I like India maybe maybe if I could have India all to myself.   Pastor Newms: [48:13] I would II India is definitely on my bucket list because of our friend there, I definitely want to go to India and get asked several times a year on when I'm coming to India, and I really do want to to travel to India it's probably the only country at the moment where I'm like let's go because I don't like international travel, that's a lie I don't like travel was like I don't like international travel I don't like National travel either.   Pastor Bill: [48:51] If you do go you need to have your friend buy your tickets, not you buy your tickets because if you buy your tickets it's going to be infinitely more expensive than if he buys the tickets.   [49:19] I loved my month in India I really did it's the only missions trip I ever went on, that like the last two weeks of the trip I was trying to figure out how I could get switched to a two-month trip from my one month and not go home at the end of the month because that's how much I loved India.   Pastor Newms: [49:39] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [49:40] I couldn't figure it out.   Pastor Newms: [49:42] Yeah it's definitely it's um, it is a place I would love to see I've got you know friends from a couple different of the areas of India and the way they talk about you know ones from more of like the fishing, area and you know the way he talks about the, the being able to go to a cafe that's literally on the water and you know, blah blah blah it's just there's some very interesting you can get a lot of each of the areas are very very different.   Pastor Bill: [50:23] And being a pale Caucasian as long as you don't go too far north you'll be just fine.   [50:34] Anything anything north of the state of Andhra Pradesh you don't want to go there as a pale Caucasian that's.   Pastor Newms: [50:43] And and there certain areas the up north you don't want to go as a Christian either because they are.   Pastor Bill: [50:51] Well that's that's why you don't want to go as a pale Caucasian because they, you're a Christian and the Muslims there are quite aggressive and, there have been lots and lots and lots of incidents over the years. Which let's be honest, colonizers we're paying we're paying for decades and decades and centuries of aggressive colonization, and theft of land and denigration of local populations, and yes white people did that, and I know it wasn't exclusively white people there are other races that were involved in colnization but why people led the charge, and yeah I fully understand some of the aggressive stances that are happening in the world and you know that still happen in the world I under get it I get it.   Pastor Newms: [52:07] There was a time in with England where the sun didn't set on the kingdom you know because they had expanded so much you know so, yeah.   Pastor Bill: [52:28] Well if you're listening to this and you enjoy, this podcast then I'm glad to hear that I hope that we're speaking into your life and, making you a better modern Christian and that you are learning how to have a deeper faith, how to embrace hope and how to love more and like I said if you want to join us on Sunday evenings at 6:30 Central Standard Time we'd love to see you in chat, and this podcast comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcasts, and now we're going to do a little thing we call the 32nd buffer song because some of the platforms were on require a 30 second buffer.   Pastor Newms: [53:20] And a side note if you want to see our face outside of the Berean Manifesto you can randomly at Pastor Newms on Twitch just saying.   Pastor Bill: [53:35] Gaming With The Pastors.   Pastor Newms: [53:37] Shameless plug.   Pastor Bill: [53:38] Shameless plug for one of our Ministries.   Pastor Newms: [53:42] We're going to be playing DCU online and enjoying it and trying to meet new people and build relationships which is fun.   Pastor Bill: [53:53] Pretty soon we're going to have to get satisfactory because I want to play satisfactory.   [54:03] I think it's going to be next on the list because I really want to play it okay.   Pastor Newms: [54:06] We could do that okay.   Pastor Bill: [54:08] 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet, no of course not that's not how time works 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer you guys have a great week.   Pastor Newms: [54:27] Be safe out there we love you.   Pastor Bill: [54:30] Until next time.   Pastor Newms: [54:34] Press the button now bye.   Pastor Bill: [54:41] I'm doing where's my button I don't know that there it is.

Pastor Bill: [0:14] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 41 the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. How are you doing Pastor Newms.   Pastor Newms: [0:30] Hey yeah.   Pastor Bill: [0:38] So tonight we're talking about Mawage. Or I guess more specifically we're talking about divorce. I don't know what we're talking about, I just had this section of scripture that was on my heart and so we're going to talk about this section of scripture and I don't know. Biggs is joining us on Twitch. Hey Biggs.   [1:12] Which scripture? If you want to pre-read the scriptures that we're going to be in, we're going to be in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 and probably going to start at the beginning of chapter 7, but then the section that's been on my heart, I have no idea why, is verses 10 through 16. So maybe somebody needs to hear it, what we're going to talk about tonight, but it's definitely not me. This is definitely not one of those we're talking about for me, because it's been on my heart to share about this to talk about this so I guess somebody's here I don't know. It's one of those things you know where you like I'm not sure why I'm supposed to say this or I feel like I'm supposed to say something and then like a year later two years later, you get that pay off or somebody's like somebody sent me an episode of your podcast and it totally saved my marriage and that may be wishful thinking but, I don't know.   [2:35] If we had more wishful thinking and less doomsday going on right now that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Phoenix is joining us on Twitch HPuffPhoenix she says howdy you say howdy I say hi. To me only two minutes left five minutes gone by fast. Zaidie is with us, Zaidie on Twitch, Zaidie sent me this lovely card this week I'll you can't see it yet I'll show you the card when we go video live..   Pastor Newms: [3:23] I still find it funny you started talking to me about it like I knew what it was.   Pastor Bill: [3:28] And you were like, what I don't know what you talking about.   Pastor Newms: [3:30] I don't know what you're talking about.   Pastor Bill: [3:33] I was like the thing that your.   Pastor Newms: [3:37] Only knew about one thing she sent you I didn't know she sent you a card too she's nicer than I am.   [3:50] You know I'm lighting an incense I really should turn around a bit we're really close to time now we got a minute.   Pastor Bill: [4:03] So my "On Air" light came in, yeah so now in the hallway leading to my bedroom / office there's this big red light it says "On Air" that lights up the whole hallway and.   Pastor Newms: [4:20] And we hope it's on right now from under the okay.   Pastor Bill: [4:22] It is I can see the top gap of the door I can see the red light coming through.   [4:40] For the next 40 seconds best friend. Your dad says best friends. Who's best friends?   [4:56] Just silence as we wait for him to type now. Six, five, four, three, two, one.   Pastor Newms: [5:10] And then bam.   Pastor Bill: [5:15] All right so that first five minutes was to give people time to show up so once again. Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 41 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and as always I'm joined by Pastor Newms all the way from Tennessee. Remember that funny comment we got when we first started doing this this way we get this comment about, church people spreading covid and I was like we're not even in the same state dude how are we spreading covid-19.   Pastor Newms: [5:49] I don't think that you told me about that.   Pastor Bill: [5:52] Oh you don't remember?   Pastor Newms: [5:53] Uh-huh.   Pastor Bill: [5:54] Yeah we got a comment while we we're live, the guy was chiding us about spreading covid by being doing a face-to-face video, Zaidie says OMG having technical difficulties she is or we are you are a we are.   Pastor Newms: [6:12] I don't know is anyone else having technical difficulties.   Pastor Bill: [6:16] Everything looks fine on my end.   Pastor Newms: [6:18] I open it up it says.   Pastor Bill: [6:22] Although I'm really not happy with the way my voice sounds on this setup but there's not really anything I can do about it living out here in the middle of nowhere. Since I got this really nice Blue, Mic has really nice compressor and then I sound like I'm talking on a cell phone by the time it gets sent to you and then is sent out to you know in the signal.   Pastor Newms: [6:49] Bill being delayed happens.   Pastor Bill: [6:53] Yeah I get delayed all the time that's okay so how was your week Pastor Newms?   Pastor Newms: [7:01] It was pretty good I didn't do much other than work we had some training at work and so then I spent the rest of the week trying to catch up from training. But that is really all that happened on my side.   Pastor Bill: [7:27] You also took some time this week to explain to me what you do professionally.   Pastor Newms: [7:31] It is true it is true we've had the conversation several times about you not knowing at all what what I do, and I took some time to explain it and you were like huh.   Pastor Bill: [7:53] It took us it took me I had to step back and take a second to like understand each step but once they once I got through each step it the whole picture made sense and I was like okay I get it now I get it.   Pastor Newms: [8:08] It was it was quite enjoyable to.   Pastor Bill: [8:11] It was interesting it was it was like starting a new job and they were walking me through the first day of training that's what it felt like. And I was like okay cool.   Pastor Newms: [8:22] Well I'm glad you felt that I did that good of a job.   Pastor Bill: [8:26] You did it was nice.   Pastor Newms: [8:28] Not that you said I did a good job I just I just took that you know.   Pastor Bill: [8:33] You did you did a good job their house.   Pastor Newms: [8:35] But yeah so so.   Pastor Bill: [8:41] Anything else about your weight.   Pastor Newms: [8:43] No no I am up and down and in games at the moment and trying not to get, upset with certain situations. Pretty good just blase how was your week.   Pastor Bill: [9:06] My week well we had another week of taking Gerg to school, which means me getting up earlier than I want to every morning and getting him off I'm usually used to waking up between 7:00 and 7:30 and this is got me waking up you know sometime between 6 and 7, and then I like to stay up a little later when the kids go to bed but now I've had to scale that back and go to bed you know shortly after they do and so it's been an interesting adjustment on my.   Pastor Newms: [9:40] Which I don't like that part just on that.   Pastor Bill: [9:42] Yeah me me having to go to bed when you're supposed to you don't like that at all so.   Pastor Newms: [9:49] Cuz I don't like going to bed.   Pastor Bill: [9:50] You don't like going to bed.   [10:07] Wednesday we had quite The Adventurous day Tuesday we had to in an adventurous day as a Tuesday, Gerg's roof started leaking while he was at school right onto his mattress so I spent most of Tuesday cleaning up water damage in his bedroom trying to draw out his mattress and draw out the floor and, you know that done before he got home so that he'd actually have no wait.   [10:40] That was on Wednesday wasn't it.   Pastor Newms: [10:42] Yeah that was Wednesday you said Wednesday.   Pastor Bill: [10:44] Oh my goodness and then also we had a flat tire on Wednesday, Wednesday was a big day oh my goodness so we had a flat tire went out and I was gonna go pick up Gerg from school and we had a flat tire, so then my body I physically can't really jack up a car anymore and do all the you know breaking of the nuts and all that stuff so my wife unfortunately has had to take over in that area when we have a flat tire but, she went out there and she broke the nuts and she jacked up the car and she went to pull up the spare, only to find that a certain National Tire chain hadn't put our spare back on the car the last time we bought one of their, in my opinion expensive tires, so I had to borrow my grandmother's car and go pick up Gerg, go to Discount Tire and buy a new full-size tire and a new wheel.   [11:47] So we could put that on the car so then I can take Gerg to the youth group that he goes to it's about a 45 minute drive away in North Richland Hills, and that was interesting, and then my wife went to Firestone the next day and they were like oh we don't have any of your tires in stock so she went back on Friday when they did have the tires in stock, and then Saturday morning I got to, work on the issue of the spare tire kit you know it's like it's got the one of those metal chords with a shoe on the bottom and you slip the shoe through the middle of the wheel and then you turn it and it, draws the cord up and the tire hangs underneath the back of the car.   Pastor Newms: [12:36] Oh okay.   Pastor Bill: [12:39] So I had to alter the the top of the shoe so that it would fit through the hole with the new tire because the hole on the full-size wheel was smaller than the hole was on the old spare tire, thankfully I had a Dremel and I shaved about a quarter of an inch off the top of that shoe, so that it would fit through the new hole and then I was like please fit please fit please fit and I and I ran it up and it went all the way up and it fits in between the two Mufflers like there's mufflers and then there's heat shielding, and then there's like half an inch in between the Heat shielding on either side to the tire and I was like well it just fits but it fits.   Pastor Newms: [13:24] Uh-huh uh-huh and big.   Pastor Bill: [13:28] So that was my weekend in a nutshell.   Pastor Newms: [13:30] Biggs pointed out you know soon as you started talking car stuff the look on my face just glosses over because I realize I didn't realize it because I don't do any car stuff and I'm just like uh huh.   Pastor Bill: [13:44] You don't do any handy self car stuff house stuff that you're not a you're not a jack man you're just I'm a jack of all trades which means I know a little bit about almost everything but not enough to charge anybody to do it just enough to do it for myself, and then I fill any gaps in my knowledge with you know YouTube just like anybody else.   Pastor Newms: [14:12] Oh that's something I did this week we put together another 2000 piece puzzle in like two and a half days three days. Whole bunch of people were working on it last night and.   Pastor Bill: [14:28] I stopped doing puzzles when I realize is that trying to focus on each individual piece and where they go makes me sick to my stomach, I just I can't do it man, I can't do it Biggs says master of none yeah that's that's the phrase jack of all trades master of none, that's that's pretty much my life in a nutshell, people like you know when I say things like you know I need I need a job they'll say what industry do you work in and I'm like, any industry that pays I've done lots of stuff and I'm willing to learn how to do anything else, oh well we don't have a job for someone like you I just told you I would do anything anything at a desk I'll do it I'm sorry we don't have a job. Do you remember that one time that I asked a job agency you know one of those those placement agencies to find me a job, and I filled out all the stuff and getting my resume and all this stuff and two months later they contacted me and said we're removing you from the program because no suitable job for you exists.   Pastor Newms: [15:40] No I didn't remember that that's um that's an experience.   Pastor Bill: [15:48] That's quite the experience no suitable job for you. Thanks job placement company.   Pastor Newms: [15:58] Isn't it your whole job to find, okay.   Pastor Bill: [16:02] Yeah yeah that's pretty much my life in a nutshell right there, right? Joe Jack of all trades master of none. But when I do find a job easily find a job you know low and then I very quickly worked my way up, into positions that they wouldn't dream of even interviewing me for before I entered the company so that's pretty much how my life has been you know shoot low and then, take a couple of months and prove myself and work my way up. Okay so I think we're sufficiently warmed up except we didn't do gets another pastors.   Pastor Newms: [16:51] Oh crap is it mine or yours I think it's yours.   Pastor Bill: [16:54] It's an odd numbered episode which means it's mine.   Pastor Newms: [16:56] And plus we did like six of mine last week because they were not great he's taking too long reading this is a problem.   Pastor Bill: [17:10] It says what's your recurring nightmare.   Pastor Newms: [17:18] That's not appropriate so we need to switch cards because both of us have very very bad nightmares and we can't talk about them on we go get flag somewhere for something if we start talking about our nightmares let's just begin.   Pastor Bill: [17:34] If you were to die tomorrow what little thing would you regret not doing.   Pastor Newms: [18:01] Little thing.   Pastor Bill: [18:03] It says little thing I'll go first so you remember when we met.   Pastor Newms: [18:11] I mean yes yes.   Pastor Bill: [18:11] You and I that weekend okay so that weekend Seth and I, Seth Rouggly from California we were there together.   Pastor Newms: [18:20] Although I don't remember him at all which is funny.   Pastor Bill: [18:24] Which is funny yeah because you met me at the same time you met him and you don't remember him.   Pastor Newms: [18:28] Yeah no.   Pastor Bill: [18:30] Um Okay so Sunday morning he wanted to go to the church and he and I had gone to while we were in The Internship. I was trying to impress this girl who had become an intern and I had been volunteering the summer before so I met her while she was a volunteer and then she became an intern and she wanted me to go to her church, and we were both determined we were going to spend the whole weekend together, and I convinced him to go to her church with me instead of me going to the church we had gone to like he wanted to, and to this day I think about that probably no less than once a week and regret that moment where I chose my own personal desire, over the values of my friend.   [19:29] Such a small decision well.   [19:45] Phoenix.   Pastor Newms: [19:47] Always always with her I would say it would have to be, so this is going to be really weird I think something I would regret is there their stories I haven't finished.   Pastor Bill: [20:03] Mmm he stopped time.   Pastor Newms: [20:05] Be it in in bit in games or in books there's I have a tendency to just forget, and then like then I'll I'll realize it and be like and, I think that would be a very large one for me is stories I would regret store a story I hadn't finished and I can think of several I could add to that list but there are lots of stories I haven't finished.   Pastor Bill: [20:34] I have the problem of coming up with an idea for a story, and thinking through the story and experiencing the story in my head from start to finish and then going and that was a good story I'm glad I went through that, and not writing it down and not sharing it with anybody or starting to write down and then life you know and just not writing down the rest of it and I'm like man that was a good story.   Pastor Newms: [21:05] Dat is silly, dat is very silly. you do do that.   Pastor Bill: [21:13] Mmm it's funny that Phoenix brings up you her reintroducing us because our relationship is very funny like that because I met your wife, the summer before I went into Teen Mania's internship. And then the next summer I volunteered and met a bunch of people that you then new your internship year. And then we met that fall I know you meant the full before I volunteered I'm at the fall sorry I got my things mixed, I met your wife the summer of 2000 then we met in the fall of.   Pastor Newms: [22:02] We met 2002 because my internship was 2002-2003.   Pastor Bill: [22:09] Okay then 2002 so I did volunteer yeah that's right I volunteered that summer.   Pastor Newms: [22:18] And then after also.   Pastor Bill: [22:22] No I guess I met you the year after Seth and I went to the wrong church on Sunday morning. I definitely was with Seth when you and I met because we came to Teen Mania more than one more than one alumni reunions anyway.   Pastor Newms: [22:39] I know when you did you did not live in Texas I think.   Pastor Bill: [22:49] No that's not right so you're anyway you and I meet I meet your wife and then I meet in 2000 then I meet you in 2002 and then. That is a myth that's not right then how did your sister introduced.   Pastor Newms: [23:13] In 2003 when you volunteered.   [23:22] Because I.   Pastor Bill: [23:23] That the year I volunteered.   Pastor Newms: [23:24] Because I was at the internship from August 2002, my first year August 2002 to August 2003 and then my second year was 2003 2004. And then we met again in 2005.   Pastor Bill: [23:52] Huh. Anyway the point is we kept randomly meeting, I met your wife I met you I met your sister your sister was like oh man you and my brother would get along change your juice me to you and then we had already met, and then you move to Keller or you had already moved to Keller.   Pastor Newms: [24:13] Yep I moved to well then I graduated and I moved to Keller you.   Pastor Bill: [24:19] Which is like right down the road for me.   Pastor Newms: [24:21] Yep and you were in California somewhere in there, and then I ran into you at another alumni weekend when you had moved back and that's when then. We we stopped not talking.   Pastor Bill: [24:45] Right.   [24:51] And then Zaidie is like yeah and then I re-met your wife at your wedding the funny thing is I kept seeing pictures of her, in all your stuff and I was like I know this girl, I know this girl where do I know this girl from I know this girl and we kept comparing all the times that I had been to Teen Mania and with all the times that you had remembered she was there and I was like, no we never cross paths at Teen Mania not in all those times.   [25:27] Yeah so many paths Crossing and intertwining and, it's me all right so, like we said in the the warm-up if you weren't here for the warm-up that's fine we're going to say it again we are in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 tonight and for a while I've had on my heart to talk about, to share about 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verses 10 through 16 which, has nothing to do with my life whatsoever in any way but we're gonna talk about it and when I brought it up to Newms that I thought this is what we were going to talk about he went and read it and he was like that's bizarre, why are we going to talk about that and I was like I don't know.   Pastor Newms: [26:20] Okay so let's pause the podcast for moment and our discussion, and and point out the fact that Newms has never said that's bizarre but I'll let you go ahead and continue.   Pastor Bill: [26:36] You did to set you did too yeah you said it was bizarre.   [26:48] Phoenix says what version is it going to be read in well the answer to that will almost always be CSB, what version it's going to be read in, unless we say otherwise so 1 Corinthians chapter 7 you're welcome Phoenix she says thanks on Twitch 1 Corinthians chapter 7 where to start in verse 1, Paul writes all right 1 Corinthians 7 now in response to the matters you wrote about, it is good for a man not to use a woman for sex I think we all agree you shouldn't be you know abusing a woman, in this manner you shouldn't be taking advantage of her for sex and he goes on but because sexual immorality is so common, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife and each woman should have sexual relations with her own husband, husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife and likewise a wife to her husband, a wife does not have the right over her own body but her husband does in the same way because a lot of a lot of churches stop right there.   Pastor Newms: [28:13] Yeah they do.   Pastor Bill: [28:14] In the same way a husband does not have the right over his. But his wife does awesome here we go and this that verse right there that's why I say, I belong to my wife Roxanne, Roxanne belongs to me I trust her to take care of her belongings talking about me just like she trusts me to take care of my belongings, I value her I treasure her I take care of her those are my duties as a husband okay verse 5 of chapter 7, do not deprive one another except when you agree for a time to devote yourselves to prayer then come together again otherwise Satan May tempt you because of your lack of self-control, I say this as a concession not as a command I wish that all people were as I am but each has his own gift from God one person has this gift another has that.   [29:19] Paul if you're confused by that statement Paul was a bachelor, he never got married the closest thing he ever had to and I was talking to Newms about this earlier the closest thing he ever had to a romantic relationship was the way he felt about Israel, and the Jewish people that was the closest thing to a girlfriend he ever has and you can see it in his writing, the way he talks about Israel the way he, admires the structure of it and longs for Israel and her people to join him in Salvation and.   [30:04] Interesting stuff all right so we're picking back up in verse. I say to the unmarried and to widows it is good for them if they remain as I am, but if they do not have self-control they should marry since it is better to marry than to burn with desire, verse 10 to the married I give this command now this is the portion that's been on my heart I have no idea for months I've no idea why to the married I give this command not I but the Lord, a wife is not to leave her husband, but if she does leave she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and a husband is not to divorce his wife, but I not the Lord now this is Paul giving his opinion right his opinion is an educated opinion, he knows all the jurors law he knows like the he basically has the Old Testament memorized this is Paul's.   [31:13] I not the Lord say to the rest if any brother has an unbelieving wife and she is willing to live with him he must not divorce her, also if any woman has an unbelieving husband and he is willing to live with her she must not divorce her, for the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the wife and the unbelieving wife is made Holy by the, otherwise your children would be unclean but as it is they are holy, but if the unbeliever leaves let him leave a brother or sister is not bound in such cases, God has called you to live in peace wife, for all you know you might save your husband husband for all you know you might save your wife.   [32:14] All right so the weird thing that that Newms and I have been discussing, is these this stuff in verse 14 to verse 16 we have no idea what Paul means here, and given the commentaries and even my commentaries that usually pretty much agree with each other, on what the heck Paul is talking about here, um for the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the wife and the unbelieving wife is made Holy by the husband and your children are made Holy by you being a Believer and, the wife might be saved by the husband husband saved by the wife we can somewhat assume that verse 16, means at some point because of the life you're living you'll lead your spouse to Salvation. Been put in that after verse 14 where he says the unbelieving husband is made Holy by the believing wife, confuses the heck out of my Western culture modern American brain because when I think of holy I think of salvation.   [33:40] What does that mean from a Jewish standpoint what did that mean from a Corinthian standpoint to say that something was holy.   Pastor Newms: [33:48] And and to be clear I mean the word that's used in the, is straight up like sanctification like it's it's it's to be made clean to be made whole it's not like oh well maybe this is strange because I'm like, it's got to be translated and I'm like holy is Holy is weird there let's look at what word it is oh, so it's the same word that you used three almost almost 300 times in, the New Testament for Holy so this isn't even like one of those situations where it's like this is the only time he uses this word.   Pastor Bill: [34:29] And one of the commentaries I was looking at pointed me to Romans chapter 11 verse 16, as being synonymous the idea being synonymous with what this is saying and it says now if the first fruits are holy, so is the whole batch and if the root is Holy so are the branches. And in this place Paul is talking about and you really see a lot of his, love interest in Israel shining through and in Romans chapter 11 he's talking about, Israel's rejection of Jesus wasn't a total failure for them as far as salvation is concerned, and Gentiles should be thankful, that the Jewish people rejected Christ because it opened the door for the Gentiles to have salvation in order to make Israel jealous so that they would find Salvation. And.   Pastor Newms: [35:48] It's a that's that's another one of those passages that that some people tend to gloss over because they're like I'm not touching any of this there's definitely some of that in this.   Pastor Bill: [36:05] Okay and then there's this other thing about your children, your children would be unclean but as it is their holy what does it mean to say your child is Holy, and when I know you know we talked about it Newms and I have it a lot of denominations a lot of sects of Christianity have grabbed that as this whole age of accountability thing, if you're you have a parent or both parents that are saved then when the child is born they're automatically save, and then they started doing child baptisms as part of the whole well the child's already saved because they're the children of Believers but the Bible never actually, says that.   Pastor Newms: [36:58] Yeah it is definitely one of those so like growing up in and throughout my own time I've always took it to mean you know, harkening back to the raise a child in the way it should go and it will not depart you know I've always kind of taken it to mean similar, but it's still the way it's worded that's not, what it says it might be what it means because of situations and things were not understanding because of the Church of Corinth what you know what people in the Church of Corinth he was writing to specifically or there could be a situation that we don't you know some Jewish context we don't know, because it is funny like you mentioned a lot of times even with the Jewish context people are just like oh it's this, and everyone's like oh yeah yeah I agree with him it's that and on this one it's like, yeah one of the commentaries I use was just blank straight up I clicked on the passage and it was blank.   Pastor Bill: [38:18] Two of mine are blank on this passage.   Pastor Newms: [38:20] And I was like you know a passage is interesting when the dude writing the book on the book was just like a.   Pastor Bill: [38:28] No, I ain't touching it.   Pastor Newms: [38:29] I'm going to get in trouble for somewhere and I'm just not even going to go there and so it's definitely an interesting, you know we look at some of you know certain aspects of Christianity and. Even with the scriptures and the Holy Spirit directing us and such we there are some things that are just confusing, and I know, and to me that's what this is one of those situations because I've never like we could make some positions like we've made you know we believe it's this or I believe it's this you believe it's that you know, but it's another one of those where because of the language difference is the cultural difference is all the differences it's real hard, to know what was truly meant by Paul in this and then one of the things that you said when we were discussing this earlier was I really just wish some days I could just sit down with Paul and be like dude, what did you mean cuz.   Pastor Bill: [39:36] Yeah explain this to me because I have.   Pastor Newms: [39:38] Feel right like I.   Pastor Bill: [39:40] I'm obviously missing something here give me a give me a Rosetta Stone a key to decipher what you're saying or something.   Pastor Newms: [39:50] And sometimes in situations like this I wonder if we had all of Paul's writings maybe it would help.   Pastor Bill: [40:02] The Bible would be like 10 times as long.   Pastor Newms: [40:06] I know I know I know I know it's impossible I know I get it there's a reason that you know the church.   Pastor Bill: [40:13] It would be volumes and be like here's my Bible volumes 1 through 7.   Pastor Newms: [40:16] I know I know I know but it's just.   Pastor Bill: [40:17] Um number 1 has the Old Testament and all of the New Testament writings except for Pauls and here is.   Pastor Newms: [40:26] Every letter he wrote in its but sometimes it's just like I know that there's something somewhere.   [40:38] Beware and who who has it so this is one of those situations where we have to rely on faith you know it's, yeah we have.   Pastor Bill: [40:53] The Bible says we need no teacher but the Holy Spirit.   Pastor Newms: [40:58] So there's times where it's like okay and and again you know this passage specifically is rougher to me because you know one of the things.   Pastor Bill: [41:12] Is that a word, rougher?   Pastor Newms: [41:15] I think it is.   Pastor Bill: [41:16] Isn't it more rough.   Pastor Newms: [41:19] I mean it's rougher.   Pastor Bill: [41:22] Rougher doesn't sound right.   Pastor Newms: [41:24] Yeah no comparative adjective is rougher.   Pastor Bill: [41:29] Okay ruff.   Pastor Newms: [41:36] According to Oxford Oxford it is I don't know man.   Pastor Bill: [41:48] I'm sorry I derailed you.   Pastor Newms: [41:53] What is what was it where was it, oh this one's rougher because you know we have a conversation often about you know, in Christianity and the capital c Church some things matter and other things, don't matter as much like you know you've got these denominations that fight over you know the littlest craziest thing and you're just like why why are we arguing or I'm better than this person because my left toe never does this or you know I'm better than this person because my right hand does that you know there's all these things in Christianity sometimes wear Even in our own sects we argue about him, and so often we're like okay the important parts are, Jesus you know the core tenets of the faith those are what's important and then everything else is well we're getting through it together you know.   Pastor Bill: [43:04] And you hear you hear crazy stories like the church that the story of I'm going to say that the story of because I don't know if it's true or if it's was made up or to illustrate a point, but the story of the small Baptist Church that split over the color of the new what new carpet they should get and, they narrowed it down to two colors at half the church supporter one color and half the church supported the other color, and one day one of the representatives of one of the colors that had enough and they showed up with chainsaws and cut the church in half and loaded their half onto a trailer, and took it to the other side of town.   Pastor Newms: [43:47] I mean I could see it happening people are weird but this is one of those situations where, what makes it rougher for me is this is about sanctification and this is about I mean the words used are the same words that are used in other very important.   Pastor Bill: [44:07] Salvation.   Pastor Newms: [44:09] Scriptures and you know so it's one of those words like huh but, to me you know it's one of those things where it's it's still a personal relationship and even if, you are so much more percentage likely to follow because your parent does or your spouse does or your you know, things.   Pastor Bill: [44:38] One of my commentaries and I had to say it that way because I have one two three four five six seven eight now that I go to for stuff but one of them said, that it wasn't firsthand salvation but this is what's known as secondhand salvation, that the husband is receiving salvation because of the wife salvation because when they entered into Covenant they became one, and so her salvation then saves him because they are one was what this one commentary had to say about it.   Pastor Newms: [45:16] Yeah Matthew Henry had some interesting things to say on it cuz he said similar things but used much more more graphic language about.   Pastor Bill: [45:24] More graphic language and for the eighteen hundreds he was not approved man.   Pastor Newms: [45:30] Acts that caused the joining of the spirit it was like oh.   Pastor Bill: [45:36] I bet the church fathers hated when Matthew Henry released his commentary.   Pastor Newms: [45:42] I I never expected in a commentary that has nothing to do with, certain areas of the Bible to have the word copulation in it.   Pastor Bill: [45:55] Copulation.   Pastor Newms: [45:56] Copulation, yeah I was like what Henry calm down Mr. Henry come on now like woo.   Pastor Bill: [46:03] I wish I love I love Matthew Henry's writings I wish that he had lived long enough to finish his full commentary, he he died of a heart attack they didn't know it as heart attack or stroke he did have a stroke they didn't know it as stroke then they knew it as, bulging veins or something something like that he died of stroke and he had these two apprentices that went back through his notes on sermons that he had preached and then finishes commentaries for him based off of notes that he had preached and they just don't have the same gusto as the Matthew Henry that you're talking about right now you know, they're like a photocopy they don't like the original texture of the pen on paper.   Pastor Newms: [46:55] He was a very. He had very strong beliefs and and a lot of his writings are very passionate.   Pastor Bill: [47:06] And he didn't like Catholics and he didn't favor Jews in anyway he didn't hate Jews he did not hate Jews at all.   Pastor Newms: [47:12] That's one way to say it no no he wasn't one of.   Pastor Bill: [47:17] He didn't favor Jews, definitely takes every opportunity to rail against the Catholic church and sometimes it is just straight funny to read Matthew Henry's commentaries.   Pastor Newms: [47:29] And some of it's like um that one's a little far.   Pastor Bill: [47:33] I don't know why we started talking about Matthew Henry's commentaries instead of what we're supposed to be talking about I mean I know what path led us there but I don't know why we entertained it.   Pastor Newms: [47:42] Because we both like Matthew Henry.   Pastor Bill: [47:45] Yeah we do he's so good alright so let's talk about divorce okay because, in verse 10 of chapter 7 however Paul says to the married I give this command not I but the Lord wife is not to leave her husband, but if she does leave she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and a husband is not to divorce his wife, okay. I want to make it very clear. That it is not the opinion of the Ekklesian House or the Berean Manifesto, Or myself or even Pastor news, I'm going to speak for you, that this is anything other than in the most ideal of situations. Okay in the most of Ideal situations a wife is not to leave her husband.   [49:01] But there are grounds for divorce, there are grounds given in the Old Testament, there are grounds given that just common sense okay and I don't want to hear any of this, stuff I've been hearing from certain people online about, well why should just let herself get hit one or two times and and the third time go to church no the first time a husband or a wife treats their spouse as anything other than treasured. That's a problem that's a.   [49:57] I'm not, those of you that are into BDSM those of you that are kinky those of you that have a healthy copulation life. And within the confines of consent you have some stuff going on I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about abuse. Actual non-consensual abuse okay that is grounds and let's talk about a little bit about why I feel that way. Let's turn back just verse Corinthians chapter 7 and let's look at verse 4, It says.   [50:55] Let's back up one verse, a husband should fulfill his marital Duty to his wife and likewise the wife to her. Paul is talking about more than just copulation why.   Pastor Newms: [51:16] Just because I brought it up at with Matthew Henry and Matthew Henry it's now it's just it's one of those things it's yeah.   Pastor Bill: [51:24] Okay and then verse for a wife does not have the right over her own body but her husband does in the same way a husband does not have the right over his own body but his wife does, in that dynamic, of the wife owns the husband and the husband owns the wife okay, that should create an equal. Well you're both taking care of each other but when one of those two starts to abuse the other. It's no longer an equal owning it now becomes slavery.   [52:21] Joining you said again if one spouse is abusing the other. And they're not they don't have that symbiosis equal equality going on this has become slavery, the wife has become a slave of the husband and the husband, is treating the wife as a slave, physically abusing verbally abusing this is how you treat a slave not a spouse and vice versa if the wife is physically verbally abusive. Then it's become slavery All Right Turn the Page chapters First Corinthians chapter 7 verse.   [53:16] Because certain verse 20 Let each of you remain in the situation in which he was called were you cold while slave. Don't let it concern you but if you can become free by all means take the opportunity. Now we will reply. Abuse physical verbal to the Old Testament and look at the law that Moses gave.   [53:50] If a husband started treating his wife as a slave that is under Jewish law tantamount to what is called putting her away. You are no longer married. But you have certain duties to that person as long as they want you to continue to take care of them. That is a soft divorce, that the man entered into because he became abusive. And the same thing if the woman became abusive a man could put her away to soft divorce and then if they decided. They can have a full divorce. God as far as we can tell from inspired writing is not a fan of divorce. But also.   [55:10] 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verse 15 the last sentence in that verse God has called you to live in peace. God is not a fan abuse God is not a fan of committing to one person to be their property to, fulfill yourself with them to fulfill them and in going around and sleeping with other people. That is not a fan of that now I know polyamory. Making a big comeback right now I've always been taught if if both people in the marriage are sword.   Pastor Newms: [56:11] Consensual.   Pastor Bill: [56:12] Consensual to what's going on, it's fine so if you have an open marriage or a polyamorous whatever. Just like anything else that's between you and God I don't need to know that I don't care to know that please don't email me, please don't ask what you're doing is between you and God like I said the holy spirit is your teacher, um and and in God doesn't like divorce.   [56:58] If you need to leave you need to leave, and I'm telling you it is my personal opinion not going to speak for Pastor Newms this time, it is my personal opinion that if your spouse abuses you physically verbally, unconsensually abuses you then that person has already spiritually divorced you. And you are now living with them outside of marriage because they've already divorced you you're no longer their spouse and their heart. And you need to decide do you need to get out of there.   Pastor Newms: [57:43] Yeah because there's definitely there's definitely. One of the problems with Western culture and Eastern culture to a degree now is, we've turned marriage not into something between us and God I mean us meaning husband and wife and God we've turned it into a governmental contract.   Pastor Bill: [58:13] And it has nothing to do with the government or shouldn't.   Pastor Newms: [58:15] It has nothing to do with government and and so there's that whole thing one of the things we were talking about earlier.   Pastor Bill: [58:21] Sorry let me rephrase what I just said, it does have something to do with the government the government should recognize your marriage the government shouldn't be what legitimizes your marriage.   Pastor Newms: [58:37] Yes, and you know we were talking earlier there are there are people because of our Health crisis, who are having to make a decision do we stay married or do I get health benefits do we stay married and you pay all my debt when I die because I have cancer or do we get a divorce, you know there's, because of the government controlling marriage the way they have its created some very interesting, aspects that make it a lot harder to, as Pastor Bill was saying it's talked about in the Old Testament of putting someone away or you know things like that is not as easy, as you know which is good, to a certain degree but then really bad in a lot of situations and you know I've definitely heard people say oh well you should just stay with that person no matter what it's like well there's there's there's some, there are some situations where you need to go and you know so it's definitely something that has to be looked at, and it definitely is something you have to you know.   Pastor Bill: [1:00:06] And you hear about it all the time oh I love them I stay with them because they can change they can get better well I want to tell you they can get better while you're in.   Pastor Newms: [1:00:17] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [1:00:19] They can take care of their drinking problem without you around it's just, truth honesty like don't stay and put yourself in danger.   Pastor Newms: [1:00:32] Yeah.   Pastor Bill: [1:00:33] Because oh will they need they need to change and they can I have faith in them I believe in them that's that's fine and good have faith in them and believe in them from a distance, let them know I support you but now I'm not safe here.   Pastor Newms: [1:00:53] And it's.   Pastor Bill: [1:00:53] And and and things have gone bad for other people if you want to know how they've gone bad go Google Lorena Bobbitt, and see an issue about a woman saying because she loved her husband and at some point she snapped. And things went very wrong for him she wasn't safe to say and then he became unsafe because she stayed.   Pastor Newms: [1:01:27] I can't believe that's where you went, you know I always end the thing with be safe and I think it's time we go ahead and say that because I have nothing and nowhere I can go. To follow Lorena Bobbitt in any spiritual way I cannot.   Pastor Bill: [1:01:55] Anyway ever bother.   Pastor Newms: [1:02:12] Like four times today we've killed General chat in the game we play anyway it's definitely something that, you know you have to there are reasons to leave, and when those reasons arrive you have to do the smart thing whether you want to or not especially if there's children involved you have to be safe, and then secondarily in other situations it's when it's not a safety aspect you've got to take that to God and, you know through the Holy Spirit through counseling through whatever it is make the decision and. You know stick with it but it's definitely not something that's never allowed like some people teach that's craziness and unsafe and the.   Pastor Bill: [1:03:18] I wish everyone that was married could be married safely happily forever I do I wish that for everyone I really do, we live in a fallen world we live in a harsh world and we live in a reality where it's reality. All right that's all we have for tonight so.   Pastor Newms: [1:03:47] Now you start singing.   Pastor Bill: [1:03:49] Not yet if you want to join us live when we recorded this podcast we meet on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and so on Sundays you could come and join us on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitch and, last laugh when we laugh like when things like Lorna Bobbitt come up and then you can, get on the chat and join us like we've got Biggs and HPuffPhoenix and Zaidie all joining us on Twitch.   [1:04:20] Um and Biggs is saying he's laughing so hard he can't type right now and so you could join us live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time when we record this can go to our website to find out which Facebook, YouTube and Twitch channels those are our website ekk.house we've got our podcast there and we've got some great info there, you can go check that out we'd love for you to do that and this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Well that is if we record a new episode we don't always but most Sundays we record a new episode, and on those weeks as it comes on at 7 p.m. and it goes live to you know anywhere that you listen to podcasts so, please consider joining us please consider I can't believe I'm about to say this please consider making a donation if you would like, we are a non-profit and so we are supported by donations and it's weird that that came up because we.   [1:05:27] We don't ask as a general rule we don't ask but you know it just came out so they up and.   [1:05:39] We love you guys and we love doing this and I'm glad that you're hearing this and I hope we can help I hope this, and it's not about you know we've talked about it Newms and I it's not about, getting a bunch of numbers in the stats and it's not about becoming famous or making money and and these things that you see other people using multimedia that have done, for us it's all about who can we help, even if it's just one person how can we love how can we Inspire love a really is our Focus to bring faith hope and love, to Modern Christians and with that we go into the, 30 second buffer 30 second buffer, 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how seconds work 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer have a great week.   Pastor Newms: [1:06:53] Be safe out there love you guys.   Pastor Bill: [1:06:57] Until next time.

Cody and Jeremy have the lovely and talented Lunacorn Squad from Central Standard Brewing on the pod!  We talk about CSB's upcoming anniversary party, women in the beer industry, Sumer's misunderstood superstitions, and much more!  Prepare to laugh!

Today, we’re interviewing Evan Hughes and Pat McQuillan, owners of Central Standard Craft Distillery in Milwaukee. In today’s episode with Evan and Pat, we’ll hear their story about how a night of enjoying some drinks and brainstorming can develop into a successful Milwaukee brand of liquor. Host: Kevin Nicholson, President & CEO of No Better […]

The Cabin is presented by the Wisconsin Counties Association and this week we’re featuring Washburn County!Campfire Conversation: It’s no secret that we love a good adult beverage in The Cabin. Today we’re taking it to the next level and talking about the best spirits in the state and where you can go for an incredible cocktail experience. We’re joined by Jim Kanter from Central Standard Distillery to discuss what makes a great bottle of spirits and how the distilling process actually works! (Bonus: if you watch the podcast on YouTube, you’ll see Eric and Jim film on location in the distillery center at Central Standard.)Some of the other distilleries mentioned in the episode include: Great Lakes Distillery (Milwaukee), Wollersheim Distillery (Prairie du Sac), 45th Parallel Distillery (New Richmond), Northern Waters Distillery (Minocqua), Great Northern Distilling (Plover), Chippewa River Distillery (Chippewa Falls), Driftless Glen Distillery (Baraboo), Eagle Park Brewing & Distilling (Milwaukee & Muskego), Infinity Beverages Winery & Distillery (Eau Claire), J. Henry & Sons Bourbon (Dane), La Crosse Distilling – (La Crosse), North Woods Distillery (Coleman), Perlick Distillery (Sarona), Twisted Path Distillery (Milwaukee), White Wolf Distillery (Shell Lake), Dancing Goat Distillery (Cambridge), Old Sugar Distillery (Madison), Yahara Bay Distillers (Madison), Hatch Distillery (Egg Harbor), Door County Distillery (Carlsville), and more!Geronimo Hospitality: Learn how Beloit “ain't what it used to be" with Jeff Whiteman to discuss some of his favorite businesses around Beloit! As a special bonus, you can save at the Ironworks Hotel when you use code DISCOVER at: https://www.ironworkshotelbeloit.com/.Wisconsin RV World: Wisconsin’s oldest and first RV dealership is ready to take your family on the road! Traveling by RV is a safe, socially distanced, and beautiful way to see the state and hit the open road. To get your own RV for the family and start shopping now, head to https://www.wisconsinrvworld.com. Know Your Wisconsin: Wisconsin Eye

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A very thought provacative lesson taught by Brother Jeff Ashford emphasizing the importance of obeying God's word because the same destruction that took place during Sodom and Gomorrah's time on Earth will be the same destruction that strikes the Earth when Ch

Welcome to Season 3 of The Right Idea Podcast. I’m Kevin Nicholson, volunteer president and CEO of No Better Friend Corp. In this season, we’re highlighting the creativity and work ethic behind the businesses that make Wisconsin’s economy go round. Today, we’re interviewing Evan Hughes and Pat McQuillan, owners of Central Standard Craft Distillery in Milwaukee.  In today’s episode with Evan and Pat, we’ll hear their story about how a night of enjoying some drinks and brainstorming can develop into a successful Milwaukee brand of liquor.  Host: Kevin Nicholson, President & CEO of No Better Friend Corp. Guest: Evan Hughes, Pat McQuillan, Central Standard Craft Distillery Producer: Emelia Rohl, Communications Director

GenerAsian Radio is a twitch stream and podcast showcasing beats from around the continents in search of modern (and classic) beats with the hopes of bringing the world closer together. This podcast that explores the beauty and connectedness of musical cultures from every part of the globe and their dancefloors. This world music radio show features such artists GangisKhan, Blurface, Allyawan, Abjeez, SuReal and More!!! Add us on Instagram, watch us on Wednesday from 8-10 Central Standard http://twitch.tv/generasianradio Apache Indian feat. Raftaar - Punjabi Girl MANUDIGITAL Ft. Mesh - Big Mess CHAINY Taqdeer Lucky Ravi Bal Cheshire Cat Dooneh Dooneh -ABJEEZ Soom T - Sold Out To The Devil CHURA LIYA (REMIX) - BALLY SAGOO Protoje - Who Knows ft. Chronixx Din Raat - Garry Sandhu feat Roach Killa Sidhu Moose Wala ft Josh & Jas Kuch Nahi Theek Hay Gangis Khan Deep Jandu Alborosie - Kingston Town Allyawan & Eek-A-Mouse - Smugglaren Sharmoofers - Moftaqed El Habiba MEHDIMAN - HIGHGRADE Sin-Ganesh-Riddim Radhe Govinda feat. Chaytanya -Dub Kirtan AllStars Trapanera (feat. Erick Rincón)-El Dusty La Secretaria (Empresarios Dubplate Especial) Enfermera (Empresarios Dubplate Especial) Con Las Manos Arriba -Empressarios Sabo & Zeb - NYC (Moombah Zone Mix) La Rumba Bacana (Nickodemus Remix) Funky In The Middle (Haaksman & Haaksman Remix)-Nickodemus Mere Dad Ki Maruti -Nucleya Un Amor (Double A. Moombah Remix) -Thomas Blondet Modern Dayz Slavery NUCLEYA remix' Nachna Onda Ne-Panjabi MC Dil Da Jani Feat Tina M (Pathaan's Bolly Cosmic Workout) -Thomas Blondet Ramta Jogi Taal (Omar Flip) Mc Fioti - Bum Bum Tam Tam (Skeletron Remix) DIVINE - MIRCHI Feat. Stylo G, MC Altaf & Phenom TroyBoi - Mother Africa Aaa jaane jaan (Blurface flip) Jai Hov Girls Girls Girls (MWB Remix) Bollywood Sampled Beat - MOSH RANI Su Real - Shotta ft. Delhi Sultanate & Doni Brasco Mehbooba __ Flipsyd x Vipul Skeletron - Basanti Vismay Patel - Behne Do MojoJojo - Sapne (feat. Tyesha Kohli) AAPKI NAZRON NE VIZEN FLIP Blurface - Pardes ft.Priyansh Paliwal I Jadibooti - Ivaavi Turban Trap Koi Sehri Babu Dil Lehri Babu (Catchy Remix) Twinbeatz & Hasil - Khiyaal (Official Video) DJ ALX - Zara Zara2 Rusha & Blizza - Barse

Join us today live at 6 p.m. Central Standard Time as brother Melvin Crawford teaches on the subject the Gentiles who are they according to the Bible

That's brother Melvin Crawford from the Israel of God Riverdale Illinois teaching on the subject of the Godhead two members that are one

Hello Welcome to God's pathway to life for you. The podcast that just might save your life if you are new to this podcast hello and make yourself at home, Because i do care about you and hope that you find God and Jesus Christ today, I'm not looking for the Super Christian person they don't need me, I'm looking for the average person or the person that don't think they could be a christian or live a Christian life or the backslider that fell away from God well I'm here to tell you that God loves you and wants to reconnect with you  today so come join me and my listeners (I am proud to say i have 22 People that Support my podcast and thank you to each and everyone of them and God Bless you all) This Episode is about Chapter 2 and me talking about verse 1 thru 7 and how God makes us alive when we where dead in our sins and our past walk with Satan yes we did walk with Satan and How God through mercy and his Great love saved us from that life so come download the podcast and reconnect with God and Jesus today. Come join me live at Church Sunday at 11:00am Central Standard time and at 6:30pmCST Sunday and Wednesday at 7:00pmCSThttps://www.facebook.com/SouthHeightsBaptistChurchOfSapulpa/ Website for God's Pathway to life for youhttps://godspathwaytolife.faith/I'm a member of SHBC the Church doesn't support this podcast with any kind of money i do this to help you find God and to reconnect with Jesus and it helps me to because we are in this together and i want to help you get a understand so we can grow in Christ God Bless you all.prayer List Email address godspathwaytolife@gmail.comhello if you would like to donate to the Church there's a link below tithe.ly linknot asking but if God has laid it on your heart to here a place Donate goes straight to a real Church located in Sapulpa, OklahomaSupport the show (https://tithe.ly/give_new/www/#/tithely/give-one-time/433047)

Just a another few things I've been thinking about this week. Contact me at whatpodcastpodcast@gmail.com find the twitter @andheauxs. The IG is @whatpodcastpodcast. Donate through the anchor app while I set up the paypal and patreon. Leave a voice mail. Thank you for listening. New episodes should drop at midnight (Central Standard) on Tuesdays and Fridays. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Just a another few things I've been thinking about this week. Contact me at whatpodcastpodcast@gmail.com find the twitter @andheauxs. The IG is @whatpodcastpodcast. Donate through the anchor app while I set up the paypal and patreon. Leave a voice mail. Thank you for listening. New episodes should drop at midnight (Central Standard) on Tuesdays and Fridays. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Tune in to hang out with my friend TWAIN and lean into his powerful message and music for all beings and being a rising awakened man in the world today. His new hip hop album just dropped so make sure to get into it and share it with your friends. This album is an expression of his own evolution and addresses what we are all experiencing during this time. I even make a voice contribution on his song "Farewell from Six One Two." https://www.reverbnation.com/twainonline https://open.spotify.com/track/0Wq8lL01rkZEcHrEqo1EV6?si=gXil2eo6TDiD46uHgMNvnQ IG: https://instagram.com/twainlo?igshid=yhiljsv2cpip TWAIN is a hip-hop recording artist from Chicago, by way of Minneapolis. A seasoned music maker, songwriter and lyricist, his sound strikes a balance of timeless and contemporary hip-hop energy, autobiographic tales, and wordplay purists can appreciate. His last commercial release was THE GIFT OF DISCOVERY - EP in 2016. Some of his live performances to date include Penn State University, the Fine Line Music Café, the historic Capri Theater, the Minnesota Music Café, and the FOR THE LOVE hip-hop festival. A Twin Cities Hip Hop Award nominee & 96.3 B96 Homegrown Featured Artist, his work was recently selected to be included on MnSpin, the Hennepin County Library's streaming service for MN artists, as well as being selected by the Audiomack editorial team for real time trending on their site. He founded and curated the concert series A NIGHT OVER SOUTH in 2016, and TWIN CITIES MUSIC LOUNGE in 2018. His new album CENTRAL STANDARD TIME released February 28th.

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Do you feel stuck in life? Are you frustrated with not accomplishing your goals? If so, Dr. Pierce shares ways you can identify and overcome limiting beliefs and unhealthy patterns that are keeping you from living out your God given purpose. Her mission is to help women create balance in their lives, by helping them tap into their desires, their design, and ultimately live their destiny. That's when real peace that transcends understanding takes on a literal meaning. Dr. Pierce is no stranger to the spotlight but has dedicated her life to shining a light on Jesus and making his name known near and far. You can find Dr. Pierce: Soar radio every Friday morning at 6:40 am Central Standard time. http://ohsoyoucoaching.com/ www.instagram.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wellthiertogether/message

Due to technical difficulties, we will recap from last week's show & allow God to minister to us! As a Christian, do you feel like the odd ball in society, at work or even in the family? It seems like the ungodly behaviors of others are being promoted or rewarded, while those who are trying to live right are called weird or being made fun of. But even in those difficult times, Jesus promised to be with us & help us to live a life pleasing to Him. On the show, we want to give a word of encouragement to help us live this Christian life inspite of peer pressure or negative influences of others, in the episode called... Living Save in a Secular World! Live Sunday December 2, 2018, 8pm (Central Standard) (516)453-9118 or www.www.blogtalkradio.com/reconnectmyheart

As a Christian, do you feel like the odd ball in society, at work or even in the family? It seems like the ungodly behaviors of others are being promoted or rewarded, while those who are trying to live right are called weird or being made fun of. But even in those difficult times, Jesus promised to be with us & help us to live a life pleasing to Him. On the show, we want to give a word of encouragement to help us live this Christian life inspite of peer pressure or negative influences of others, in the episode called... Living Save in a Secular World! Live Sunday November 25, 2018, 8pm (Central Standard) (516)453-9118 or www.blogtalkradio.com/reconnectmyheart

Today for our 13th episode, we spotlight our 3rd collaboration in as many days. Friggatriskaidekaphilia from Crane Brewing Compny and Central Standard Brewing. This wasn’t a planned thing, but a fun theme of helping your fellow brewer has seemed to evolve this week.

The Boyz recap their experience at Boulevardia 2018 while listening to their live reviews from inside the Taps and Taste experience. Later they share an IPA from Central Standard as well as an IPA from Half Acre.

On today’s episode of Brandstorm, we welcome Elmer Moore, executive director of Scale Up Milwaukee. Elmer discusses his organization’s powerful platform for business growth and how they plan to meet their goal of adding $1 billion in revenue to the community by the year 2020. Elmer MooreElmer grew up in Baltimore, and also lived in Maine for nearly a decade. In 2013, when he moved to our area as Director of Business Development for men’s apparel line Allen Edmonds, Elmer says he found both Milwaukee and Wisconsin respectively like Baltimore and Maine. Elmer has a diverse résumé: He has been the Associate Dean of Admissions for a small liberal arts college, in charge of retail stores, worked in video post-production and audio recording, and is also currently an Entrepreneurship Instructor at Marquette University. A 2018 winner of a Milwaukee Business Journal “Diversity in Business” Award, Elmer says that he has used all of his experiences from these varied positions in his role at Scale Up Milwaukee. He says he spends his days with people who own businesses or have the resources to help businesses grow, and he assists in making connections and being a cheerleader for growth throughout our area. Scale Up MilwaukeeAn initiative of the Greater Milwaukee Committee and supported by the Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation (WEDC), Scale Up Milwaukee began in 2013. It convenes a small group of stakeholders (ranging from investors and private sector leaders to public officials and entrepreneurs) to develop actionable strategies for high-growth, high-impact entrepreneurship within the region. Through catalyzing inclusive economic development, Scale Up wants to see Milwaukee return to its rightful place at the forefront of the nation’s economy, due to the city’s rich history of growth and manufacturing. Through a wide range of events and workshops where businesses encourage growth in each other and share ideas that have worked for them, Elmer sees Scale Up Milwaukee’s goal of injecting $1 billion of revenue into the area by 2020 as completely within reach, due to the numbers they’re currently seeing. To date, approximately $270 million has been brought into the local economy by the 60 companies that participated in the Growth Accelerator, Scale Up’s flagship program. Elmer mentions that these numbers do not include revenue from their other various programs, and that there is a lagging indicator for incomes, as well as real estate and community development, that will change the region in material ways for years to come. Fostering EntrepreneurshipScale Up Milwaukee’s model for fostering entrepreneurship is based on that of Daniel Isenberg, a former venture capitalist, and current angel investor and Professor of Entrepreneurship Practice at Babson College Executive Education. As Elmer explains, Daniel’s model is about the interaction between different categories of business (hiring entities, financial institutions and more) and how a process-driven approach to interacting with these companies as people in order to encourage aspiration and growth ultimately leads to shared success. Daniel has found that growth is achievable once it becomes a cultural concern for all parties. As Elmer explains, the challenge is two-fold: Scale Up Milwaukee wants to get lawyers, bankers, accountants and consultants to think of themselves as being chiefly responsible for the growth of their clients, and in turn, they want clients to feel that it’s necessary to find these same people, who are willing to be agents for their growth. Instead of introducing a business owner to a bank, Elmer says Scale Up would introduce that business owner to a specific banker that they know would be a great fit. Scale Up Milwaukee Programs and MembershipScale Up Milwaukee offers the following programs to its members: Meet the Masters Series — Highlighting the strategies and tactics used by seasoned entrepreneurs to scale their companies. These events are conducted as a one-hour interview with a small audience and have included Craig Culver of Culver’s Restaurants, Giacomo Fallucca from Palermo Villa Inc., and Sue Marks of Cielo Talent. Growth Accelerator — Teaching business owners the practical skills to inject growth into their ventures, focusing on sales and marketing, organizational development and entrepreneurial finance. Sparc — Launched in 2017, Sparc provides access to resources that the smallest of businesses and minority or female-owned businesses normally do not have. These businesses usually range from $100,000 to $1 million in annual revenue. CEO Forum — Engages large company CEOs to discuss their growth concerns with others. Growth Accelerator companies are sometimes invited to witness these forums, so that they can know that their growth concerns are often the same as those who own some of the largest companies in Wisconsin. Membership Meetings — Quarterly events connecting entrepreneurs, business owners and C-Suite executives to help formulate working plans to solve growth challenges. Scale Up Milwaukee’s membership fees not only keep their business model afloat but also create a select community of growth-ambitious people who are either entrepreneurs or providing generous resources. Businesses with an annual revenue of under $10 million pay a yearly membership fee of $1,000 while those with an annual revenue of over $10 million pay $3,000. Membership provides access to all of Scale Up Milwaukee’s programming (including round table discussions and consulting services), and twice a month, Scale Up provides open office hours for companies to book time and get help in managing their growth challenges. Elmer and his team call this type of networking between people and companies "resource connecting." Success Stories and Ideal Types of BusinessesWhen asked if there is a particular type of business that is ideal for enrolling in Scale Up Milwaukee, Elmer says that "ambition" is truly the key. The organization is both industry- and segment-agnostic, and although their various programs are based around some general criteria, someone who is excited to let their ambition be contagious within the group is always a great addition. Discussing Scale Up Milwaukee case studies, Elmer points to both Central Standard Craft Distillery and Fyxation Bikes. During the several tours of Central Standard’s liquor distillery that Elmer took, he had engaged in conversation with Co-owner Pat McQuillan about Scale Up’s programs and mission. A former banker who knows business, Pat was challenged by other businesses during the process, as each owner would often share new contracts, orders or distribution details they had received from Fortune 100 and 500 companies. Elmer says that the goals of Pat and his team have shifted because of that encouragement and now Central Standard has both a tasting room and an expansive plant. Their liquor is also now available at Miller Park. With Riverwest’s Fyxation Bikes, Elmer describes how their corporate program — where large companies receive Fyxation bicycles for giveaways, perks or contest prizes — jumped from providing 3-5 bikes at a time to growing by 200%. Elmer says that this leap can be attributed to the camaraderie Fyxation felt having other businesses cheering them on at Scale Up Milwaukee. Scale Up Milwaukee’s Role in FoxconnThe campaign for the state of Wisconsin to secure a new production plant for Foxconn, a multinational electronics contract manufacturing company, has been the largest economic development initiative in American history. Elmer recognizes that the accepted deal — brokered by the WEDC, one of Scale Up Milwaukee’s biggest supporters — is huge and will have repercussions for years. Elmer says that Scale Up Milwaukee’s role within this deal will be to help companies sell to the area better. He indicates that the value chain and economic impact go far beyond Foxconn’s supply chain, so that when a few thousand jobs are created anywhere, questions have to be asked such as, "Where will those employees eat lunch?," and in turn, "Who will supply the bread for those restaurants?" or "Who will provide the bags for that bread?" Elmer says not all companies are prepared or even know that they should be going after this eventual business, but these same companies need to get ready immediately in order to do so. Other large development projects, like the new Wisconsin sports arena and the Milwaukee streetcar, are great opportunities that can be captured and leveraged to have enormous community impact. Roadblocks to GrowthWhen asked about roadblocks that companies have with potential growth, Elmer provided two answers: one from his role within Scale Up Milwaukee and another from his personal view. On the Scale Up Milwaukee side, he sees a lack of ambition being a roadblock. He admits he is "an obnoxious east-coaster," and that the idea of being Midwestern nice can stunt the growth of not only a company but also a community. He says that when companies say that they’ll be the best manufacturer or provider or facilitator, that terminology changes the way they operate. Outside of his Scale Up Milwaukee role, Elmer says that human capital is often a barrier to growth. Though he meets a lot of company owners who state that they need money, the true challenge is accessing talent. Elmer says that organizations need to learn how to find, assess and utilize those in the workforce who can best benefit them. Upcoming Events Growth Accelerator Launch Party @ Central Standard Craft Distillery 2330 W. Clybourn Street Thursday, June 7th; 5pm - 7pm Attendees will be able to meet the newest Growth Accelerator cohort, catch up with Scale Up alum and mingle with other business leaders. Celebration of Growth @ University Club of Milwaukee 924 E. Wells Street Wednesday, July 25th; 7:30am - 9am Awards will be presented, coupled with multiple growth stories honoring and illustrating the impactful growth that each individual organization has on the region and beyond. Contact Elmer: Web: www.scaleupmilwaukee.org Email: elmer@sumke.com

Hey There Weight Loss Nation! www.TheWeightLossNation.com Today, I'm going to tell you about a voluntary FDA recall on a popular Weight Loss Supplement and about weight loss supplements alleged to contain "Sibutramine," that was not listed on the product label. I"ve been seeing "recalls" all over the internet, involving "Romaine Lettuce" and "Eggs" containing Salmonella. Now.....I'm seeing articles from around the world reporting DEATHS from the use of "Weight Loss" Supplements containing "Sibutramine," that wasn't listed on the product label. "Lyn By Pim" Dietary Weight Loss Supplements may contain Sibutramine and found to be linked to four deaths in Thailand. A 31 year old woman in Thailand alledgedly took the supplements for 30 days and died on March 28. The medical examiner’s preliminary ruling was that she died of acute heart failure. A 33 year old Bangkok man who allegedly had taken the supplements for 10 days died on April 6 after suffering a stroke and losing consciousness. In another case, a 48 year old Pathum Thani man who allegedly had taken the supplements for more than a month died on April 27, with preliminary tests indicating acute heart failure. The fourth person was said in social media posts to have died on April 28 after taking the same supplements.. "Lyn by Pim" Supplement weight loss tablets are sold in 10 tablet packages. The “Black Box” is said to contain “Bisacodyl” a Laxative, which was not properly labeled on the product and the 10 tablet “white box” is said to contain the appetite suppressant “Sibutramine,” which was not properly labeled on the product.  The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ordered that production of Sibutramine be discontinued in October 2010.  www.TheWeightLossNation.com Here is the "Safety Announcement" I pulled directly off of the FDA website: FDA Drug Safety Communication: FDA Recommends Against the Continued Use of Meridia (sibutramine) Safety Announcement  [10-8-2010] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is recommending against continued prescribing and use of Meridia (sibutramine) because this drug may pose unnecessary cardiovascular risks to patients. FDA has requested that Abbott Laboratories—the manufacturer of Meridia—voluntarily withdraw this drug product from the United States market. Abbott has agreed to voluntarily stop marketing of Meridia in the United States. Meridia was FDA-approved in November 1997 for weight loss and maintenance of weight loss in patients with a body mass index (BMI) greater than or equal to 30 (≥30) kg/m2 or for patients with a BMI ≥27 kg/m2 who have other cardiovascular risk factors. BMI is a measure of body fat in adults that is based on height and weight. Patients with a BMI ≥30 kg/m2 are considered obese. FDA’s recommendation is based on new data from the Sibutramine Cardiovascular Outcomes (SCOUT) trial, which demonstrated a 16% increase in risk of major adverse cardiovascular events (a composite of non-fatal heart attack, non-fatal stroke, resuscitation after cardiac arrest and cardiovascular death) in patients treated with Meridia compared to patients taking a placebo. At the end of the trial (60 months), patients in the Meridia group lost a small amount of body weight compared to patients in the placebo group. FDA has concluded that the risk for an adverse cardiovascular event from Meridia in the population studied outweighed any benefit from the modest weight loss observed with the drug. That was in 2010 people!  Now.....Sibutramine is surfacting again! All over the internet.....for sale in Supplements and "Weight Loss Products." I just went on “EBay” and found these same “Lyn by Pim” products being sold online. *** USE CAUTION *** Nation! Buying vitamins and weight loss supplements on line can be dangerous! You have to know where the product is being manufactured......and.....what ingredients are "IN" the product. If a product does not list where the supplement or vitamin is manufactured on the label.....DON'T BUY IT! Transparency is key! The FDA regulates legal and illegal drugs in the U.S. Vitamins and supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA. They do not have the man power to do it Here are FAQ from the FDA website: What is sibutramine and what are the associated risks? Sibutramine is a Schedule IV controlled substance and the active pharmaceutical ingredient in Meridia, an approved prescription drug to treat obesity. Populations who would be at increased risk of serious adverse health effects from consuming a standard dose of sibutramine include: Patients with a history of hypertension, especially those with uncontrolled or poorly controlled hypertension. Patients with a history of coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, arrhythmias, or stroke. Patients with narrow angle glaucoma. Patients with a history of seizure. Patients predisposed to bleeding events and those taking concomitant medications known to affect hemostasis or platelet function. Patients with severe hepatic dysfunction. Patients concurrently taking the following medications: Sumatriptan Dihydroergotamine Dextromethorphan Meperidine, Pentazocine Fentanyl Lithium Tryptophan MAO inhibitors What label statements are required on the containers and packages of dietary supplements? Five statements are required: 1) the statement of identity (name of the dietary supplement), 2) the net quantity of contents statement (amount of the dietary supplement), 3) the nutrition labeling, 4) the ingredient list, and 5) the name and place of business of the manufacturer, packer, or distributor. Do I need to specify the country of origin if my product, or the ingredients in my product, is not from the United States? Yes. Unless excepted by law, the Tariff Act requires that every article of foreign origin (or its container) imported into the United States conspicuously indicate the English name of the country of origin of the article. www.TheWeightLossNation.com The 2nd item of importance is the Voluntary Recall of "Kratom" Brand Supplements, due to the presence of "Salmonella." Here we go again! Salmonella in Romaine Lettuce.....Salmonella in Eggs....now we have Salmonella in Weight Loss Supplements. NutriZone LLC. a company out of Houston, TX has voluntarily "Recalled" ALL of it's "Kratom" Brand Supplements due to the possible presence of Salmonella. The dietary supplements are labeled and packaged as follows: Cali Green Malay Cali Maeng Da Cali Thai Nirvanio Bali Nirvanio Green Malay Nirvanio Maeng Da Nirvanio Special Reserve Pain Out Green Malay Pain Out Maeng Da Pain Out Thai The FDA states the products were sold "Nationwide" and particulary in the following States: (FL, CA, OK, GA, SC, PA, LA, WA, MS, MO, KY, AZ, CO, TX, NY, IL). The following statement is listed on the FDA website regarding the voluntary recall: No illnesses have been reported to date in connection with this problem. The potential for contamination was noted after routine sampling and testing by the FDA revealed the presence of Salmonella. Consumers who have purchased the products listed above should discontinue use of the product and may return the unused portion to the place of purchase for a full refund. Consumers with questions may contact NutriZone, LLC, at 1-800-936-7936, Monday through Friday, 9am-5pm Central Standard time.   Kudos to NutriZone for taking a "ProActive" approach to this issue, avoiding a nationwide epidemic of Salmonella! Anyone may also go to the FDA "Med Watch" website to check out information about the "Kratom" Recall or to Report any symptoms or ill side effects from using the NutriZone products. FDA.org/Mediwatch/Report.htm Want to learn more about Weight Loss Nation? Start living a long-term healthy lifestyle and join me, our mentors as well as our members, for support and motivation. Weight Loss Nation  Check out the other Weight Loss Nation episodes! I'm certain you will find interesting, motivating and heart-warming stories while you drive, run, walk the dog or work in the garden. I appreciate you listening to Weight Loss Nation and if you care to leave a REVIEW, I would greatly appreciae it! 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...of the darkness of Denial into the Light of Acceptance and RECOVERY.  Recovery is NO ACCIDENT - but a COMMITMENT TO WANTING More out of life and being willing to do whatever it takes to get it. AND BEST YET - You Don't have to do it alone.  Join ME/Us every Sunday from 7 to 9 pm Central Standard time as we discuss issues and how life effects our ability to stay SOBER.  We explore every aspect of recovery and how you too can get and stay SOBER with the help and support of people like ourselves and program this one. Doing whatever it takes to stay SOBER - does require a degree of COURAGE, COMMITMENT & and a WILLINGNESS to continue learning - ONE DAY AT A TIME... As this Broadcast is a LIVE SHOW the first time it airs...We Welcome ALL Callers with questions, comments, critiques, or perhaps a story to share with others. Our call-in number is 323-580-5755 or you can email me at daniel@daare.com - which is my direct email address.  Be sure to check out our website at www.road2recovery.club and if you miss a live broadcast - check out our archived shows found on our website. What will our TOPIC be next week? The Holiday Season / SOBRIETY / Helping others as a way to get & Stay Sober, what should one do if confronted by family members on a Holiday? Tune in and find out answers to these and more subjects/questions. We have been through most of these situations and by sharing our personal EXPERIENCE - STRENGTH - &  HOPE perhaps we can shed light of answers to situations that you may encounter.  Want to talk to me personally? Call me at 800-427-5968 ( 800- I ASK YOU ) Have a great week unless of course you have other plans - YOU DO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY or at least your attitude as to how you will handle all that comes your way...

Comprehensive Beatdown is back after a week off. This time around, Bloggy Bonilla and Silent G check out “Central Standard Time,” the newest album from Stik Figa, and his second for Mello Music Group. The guys also celebrate the 20th anniversary of Camp Lo's “Uptown Saturday Night.” Be sure to check us out on the Satchel Player! You can download the app from the Apple Store or Google Play Store to follow and support your favorite podcasts. Go to http://satchelplayer.com/ to check it out! You can now follow us on Twitter! @compbeatdown Send any questions/comments/suggestions to comprehensivebeatdown@gmail.com Follow us on Twitter! @compbeatdown Like us on Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/comprehensivebeatdown If you want to keep up with an inordinate amount of new music, follow Silent G's 2017 Albums/EPs playlist on Spotify. https://open.spotify.com/user/garrad36/playlist/48WTyDD4nn6qCB5TJ96DXj Check out Bloggy Bonilla's website to see what he is enjoying day-to-day. http://keyb2lock.com/ As always, follow http://dopemedianetwork.com/ and find the podcast on iTunes and leave a review.  

To learn more about Butterflies of Wisdom visit http://butterfliesofwisdom.weebly.com/ Be sure to FOLLOW this program https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/wins-women-of-wisdom/id1060801905. To find out how Win walk and about Ekso go to http://www.bridgingbionics.org/, or email Amanda Boxtel at amanda@bridgingbionics.org.   On Butterflies of Wisdom today, Best-Selling Author, Win C and JC welcomes Andrea Silenzi. Andrea hosts a new show for Panoply called Why Oh Why. It's a show about dating and relationships. Before this, she was the senior producer of The Gist with Mike Pesca, a daily news show from Slate. She was once the founding producer of KCUR's Central Standard and a culture producer for WNYC. She studied documentary radio at the Salt Institute and majored in the College of Letters at Wesleyan University. Her work has aired on Serendipity, The Organist from Believer Magazine, BBC4, StoryCorps, PRI's Studio 360, WNYC News, Re: To learn more aboutSound, APM's Performance Today, Saltcast, and on Too Much Information with Benjamen Walker. She holds the world record for most guests booked for an hour-long radio show, and that's 67. To learn more about Andrea visit http://aTo find out more about. Win Kelly Charles visit https://wincharles.wix.com/win-charles. To follow Win on Twitter go to @winkellycharles. Please send feedback to Win by email her at winwwow@gmail.com, or go to http://survey.libsyn.com/winwisdom and http://survey.libsyn.com/thebutterfly. To be on the show please fill out the intake at http://bit.ly/bowintake. Butterflies of Wisdom sponsored by The Muscle Memory Group powered by Professor John. To learn about the magic of Siri go to https://www.udemy.com/writing-a-book-using-siri/?utm_campaign=email&utm_source=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email. If you want to donate Butterflies of Wisdom, please send a PayPal donation to aspenwin@gmail.com. Please send a check in the mail so 100% goes to Bridging Bionics Foundation.    In the Memo section have people write: In honor of Win Charles.    Send to:  Bridging Bionics Foundation  PO Box 3767 Basalt, CO 81621   Thank you Win   Thanks,

Tune in Tomorrow July 14th for a special Rant Radio. We will discuss the shooting deaths of 4 African American Men last week in the United States. We will discuss the protest, the Presidents Town Hall, and what can the common man and woman do to stop White Supremacy. As you see mainstream media and most of the politicians have no plans on solivng hte problem.  Tune in at 5pm Central Standard time. To call in dial 347-826-9600. Press Option 1 to talk. 

Join us this March 3rd where we bring it like no other.. We been gone but we have been keeping and eye out on current events and topics. Plenty to Rant about and even more things to solve.. We will be back on at 8pm Central Standard time to 9:30pm Central. To listen click the link or call into 347-826-9600. Press option 1 to talk. If it's Tuesday and its something to talk about, we getting our Rant on.. Online, on air, or in person. 

Tune in tonight for a late edition of Rant Radio. Brother Adrian Mack will be dropping in tonight so that we can discuss the Bill Cosby saga. We will explore the pro's and cons of African Americans defending Bill. We will also talk about hte infamous Pound Cake Speech. Tune in at 8pm Central Standard time. To call in dial 347-826-9600... Option 1 to talk.... 

Tuesday Oct. 1st show we will have brother Mel Reeves on to talk about the fight to get justice for this slain brother. Tune in 5pm Central Standard. To Cal in dial 347-826-9600 press option 1.