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This week on the pod writer Stephanie Williams joins us to talk about Strange and Unsung All-Stars of the DC Multiverse, Living Heroes, Nubia, Star Trek, Sesame Street, My Little Pony and more! But first, what do we think about Nintendo World? What's Stephanie's dream character to write? How did the task of writing an encyclopedia compare to writing a story? How did Stephanie's career in comics start? Are a lot of DC villain origins OSHA violations? Who is the most strange and unsung all-star of the DC Multiverse? What 90s sitcom is Living Heroes based on? Is there a stigma to making funny comics? What does Stephanie reveal to us about the history of Nubia? Will Stephanie return to Themiscyra? Is Meteor Man originally a Marvel character? What do we think about recent MCU and Sony movies? Why was Kerry Washington playing a blind woman in Fantastic Four? Is writing for Sesame Street insane? Is Martian Manhunter a cuck? What's Stephanie working on for Mad Cave? Did Archie get Stephanie into comics? Find out all this and more in today's newest episode of Comics and Chronic!! Check out Superguy on Kickstarter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mrtonynacho/superguy-1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/ComicsandChronic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.comicsandchronic.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New episodes every THURSDAY Follow us on social media! Bluesky // Instagram // Twitter // TikTok : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@comicsnchronic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.youtube.com/channel/UC45vP6pBHZk9rZi_2X3VkzQ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ E-mail: comicsnchronicpodcast@gmail.com Cody Instagram // Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@codycannoncomedy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter: @Cody_CannonTikTok: @codywalakacannon Jake Instagram // Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@jakefhaha⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Anthony Bluesky // Instagram // Threads // Twitter // TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@mrtonynacho⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: youtube.com/nachocomedy

This week is a Demyth FIRST. The first of a back to back two parter conversation that Lauren has with Hannah Lynn.Lauren discusses three of Hannah's first books with her, Athena's Child, A Spartan's Sorrow and Queens of Themiscyra. This is all in a build up for next week's episode about Hannah's latest release Daughters of Olympus.Check this and next week out separately, or binge the two in one go, but don't miss them!

Time for a shout-out to two great Amazon warriors, Penthesilea and Hippolyta. Join old-school hosts, Sean Marlon Newcombe and Dawn "Sam" Alden, as they welcome one of our new hosts, Lauren Torres, to discuss these fabulous warrior women.   It's good to be back!

Directamente de Themiscyra llegan Los C*brones del Comic!!! Esta semana estuvimos "Joe Deimos", "Charly Trevor", "La Calaca Phobos" y "Quetza Aries", y los temas fueron: - #SaludosdelaSemana - Los anuncios de comics para el mes de Julio en Mexico - El chisme de la semana con la controversia del doblaje de la pelicula "Spiderman: Across the Spider-verse" - El regreso de la seccion estrella "Comentemos Manga" - El titulo "Isola" de Brendan Fletcher y Karl Kerschl en Image Comics - El esperado titulo "Big Game" de Mark Millar y Pepe Llarraz - Los nominados a los premios Eisner 2023 - El nuevo titulo "The Brave &The Bold" de DC Comics - TEMA PRINCIPAL: Esta semana revisamos "Gods & Mortals" el relazamiento de Wonder Woman realizado por George Perez en los ochentas. Analizamos esta historia, asi como los cambios en esta nueva version del personaje Les recordamos que este episodio ya se encuentra disponible en todas nuestras plataformas: YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bn7VjyCMAY DESCARGA DIRECTA: https://www.mediafire.com/file/cbkoj4vmltqtq5p/CC176.mp3/file IVOOX: https://go.ivoox.com/rf/107733575 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2TY3fqgShkxmlTQSbyET7k?si=qdqGUzSySKiCiNxUuU7r4w ITUNES: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cc-podcast-ep-176-wonder-woman-de-george-perez/id1491120703?i=1000613924169 AMAZON MUSIC: https://music.amazon.com.mx/podcasts/4034adbb-ebd7-4e94-b30b-25d526706c1f/episodes/f62be1b6-44ed-42f9-88dc-f2fa0b97dda7/cc-podcast-los-c-brones-del-comic-cc-podcast-ep-176--wonder-woman-de-george-perez DEEZER: https://deezer.page.link/qKqmu5TE5DDmMJ9v8 TUNE IN: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Media--Entertainment-Podcasts/CC-PODCAST-Los-Cabrones-del-Comic-p1403534/?topicId=165592046 CASTBOX: https://castbox.fm/episode/CC-PODCAST-Ep-176--Wonder-Woman-de-George-Perez-id3402827-id597649298 ANCHOR: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cc-podcast/episodes/CC-PODCAST-Ep-176--Wonder-Woman-de-George-Perez-e24fdlh GOOGLE PODCAST: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xMThiZWRmYy9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw/episode/ZWQ0NThlNzgtOTZiMC00ZjhmLTg1YjEtZWY4Yjg4ZWQwYjQ0?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF04bLj4j_AhXaj2oFHWWICZEQkfYCegQIARAF GOODPODS: https://goodpods.com/podcasts/cc-podcast-los-cbrones-del-comic-219242/cc-podcast-ep-175-hellboy-30033716 No dejen de seguirnos en todas nuestras redes sociales: FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/CC-Podcast-116418736410117 INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/ccpodcast20/ TWITTER https://twitter.com/ccpodcast3 YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnVjg-mMwicbhE6coe5LKew CARPETA MEDIAFIRE CON TODOS LOS EPISODIOS: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y75tj32egk9re/CC+PODCAST https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bfm81giju8ete/CC+PODCAST+2

Featuring: Ammosart, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, and Tamrielo Hey Folks!  We have our Grace back from moving but we are still down a Thalen and now an Ashgar.  Tonight we start off with some discussion about Warhammer 40,000 Darktide and how it draws from roots like Left4Dead.  Grace and Bel talk about their recent foray into Undecember which seems to be a happy middle ground between Diablo 3 and Path of Exile.  Grace also talks about playing the Slime Rancher 2 Early Access and tending to adorable squishy faces.  Bel talks about the impending launch of Mstdn.Games which is an attempt to fill a niche of missing Video Game devoted Mastodon Servers.  Bel talks a bit about the New World server migration and how Themiscyra is no more and we have become Heliopolis.  From there we dive into a discussion about screenshot capturing in games and specific “photo modes”.  We talk about the Folding Ideas video essay called “Why It's Rude to Suck at Warcraft” and this week's news that Blizzard is essentially done in China as their relationship with Net Ease disintegrates. Topics Discussed Warhammer 40k Darktide Undecember Slime Rancher 2 Launching Mstdn.Games New World Migrations Themiscyra becomes Heliopolis Screenshots and Photo Modes Why It's Rude to Suck at Warcraft Blizzard is Done in China

Featuring: Ashgar, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, Tamrielo, and Thalen Tonight we have a bit of a weird show, where we start off talking about the nonsense happening over on Twitter with the Muskrat purchase of the company going through.  Bel talks a bit about social media alternatives and how the administrators on the Fediverse/Mastodon instances are straining a bit under the load.  From there we talk a bit about the community being angry at Magic, and Bel's adventures in buying the cheapest Wish dot com proxies he could find.  We continue to talk about New World and how Themiscyra is now open for business again.  There are a number of interesting changes on the PTR and we talk through those.  Finally, we land on Fallout 76, the game the other half of the show has been enjoying.  The crew playing makes their way into The Pitt expedition and talks a bit about that experience. Topics Discussed Twitter Nonsense Muskrat Buys Dumpster Fire Fediverse Admins are Tired Magic Debacle Continued Bel's Adventures in Cheap Proxies Secret Lair Frustrations Magic Vegas Frustrations New World Themiscyra Open for Business Gathering still the best Weird level-band problems Upcoming changes Fallout 76 Entering The Pitt

Featuring:  Ammosart, Ashgar, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, Tamrielo, and Thalen This week we had a full house with everyone on the podcast.  With the way life has been lately this has been a rare treasure.  We start off with some talk about Grace's experiences in Torchlight Infinite and Kaichu.  Ash talks a bit about Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom and how the entire Wonder Boy series is nonsense.  Thalen shares his thoughts about the launch of Marvel Snap.  Kodra talks a bit about Mario and Rabbids Spark of Hope and how wrong it is that the Rabbids can now talk.  From there we dive into the New World Re-Roll and how in spite of our best intentions we still could not get everyone on the same damned server.  Finally we wrap up with a little bit of talk about the not-MyLittlePony fighting game called Them's Fightin Herds. Topics Discussed Torchlight Infinite Kaichu Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom Marvel Snap Mario and Rabbids Spark of Hope New World Re-roll Fatal Flaw Them's Fightin Herds

Welcome to this week's episode of What We're Reading and Other Stuff, where we tell you what we've been reading and also...any other stuff we have going on!Books mentioned in this episode:Athena's Child by Hannah LynnSpartan's Sorrow by Hannah LynnQueens of Themiscyra by Hannah Lynn Evidence of the Affair by Taylor Jenkins Reid The Husband's Secret by Lianne Moriarty My Sweet Audrina by V.C. AndrewsThe Hours by Michael CunninghamHeartstopper Vol. 2 by Alice OsemanIf you are interested in purchasing any of these books on audio and you listen on Libro.fm  consider buying it through our links above!  We are affiliated with Libro.fm and every time you use our links to buy books, you are not only supporting your local indie bookstores but also this podcast!  If you are not listening on Libro.fm yet, consider making the switch.  When you sign up, you get to choose which bookstore you buy the books from and a portion of your monthly membership goes directly to them!  And if you use our link, you support us as well.  During checkout, use the code CHOOSEINDIE and you get your first book for free!We read Siren Queen by Nghi Vo for book club and have a discussion going on in our Instagram stories/highlights, so head over there to get in on the discussion and to let us know what you thought of the book!  Or you can just send us an email with your thoughts or any questions or comments you have about the show! Libro.fm.best_bookclub@outlook.comPatreonwww.bestbookclub.caInstagram

We interview Stephanie Williams, writer of Nubia and the Amazons, about getting to write Nubia, why our new queen absolutely rules, and making Themiscyra more trans and queer than ever! We talk about the romance between Nubia and Io, discuss the lovely and important Bia, the first known Black trans woman on Themiscyra, and talk about why we love Wonder Woman and the surrounding mythos so much. Stephanie gets into writing horny panels, shipping your own characters, and envisioning a Black, queer and trans inclusive future for Themiscyra.Learn more about Stephanie Williams and Nubia and the Amazons at: whysteph.comFollow Stephanie on Twitter and Instagram at: @steph_i_will (link goes to Twitter)And, check out our queer Wonder Woman reading list (from this conversation and our panel at FlameCon in 2021): https://bitchesoncomics.com/queer-ww-reading/You can follow Bitches on Comics on Instagram and Twitter @BitchesOnComics and you can follow our hosts on Instagram and Twitter: Sara Century @saracentury and S.E. Fleenor @se_fleenorShow us some love by giving us a 5-star Review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, PodChaser, or wherever you get your podcasts.Support us by joining our Patreon Community.Keep in touch with us and see what we're up to by visiting our website: BitchesOnComics.comBitches on Comics is a Queer Spec project. Learn more about Queer Spec at: QueerSpec.com

This week, the Geeks review the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes episode 'Emperor Stark' featuring the Avengers controlled by Purple Man and the Justice League episodes 'Paradise Lost I & II' featuring Wonder Woman's return to Themiscyra! Thanks for listneing! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/3oldgeeks/message

Amid unprecedented orders for Superman: Son of Kal-El #5, DC Comics has announced that it will be reprinting the title's first four issues in November.Earlier this month, DC Comics revealed that Superman's son, Jon Kent, will be coming out as bisexual in Superman: Son of Kal-El #5. The news made headlines around the world and inspired what DC calls "unprecedented orders" for the issue. The sales have even surpassed the previously reported 68,000 copies that Superman: Son of Kal-El #1 sold upon its launch in July. To support the renewed interest in the title, DC will now be rushing new printings of the first four issues of the series.The newly released Nubia & The Amazons #1 by DC Comics has broken new ground, marking the first time Wonder Woman's Amazons welcome a transgender woman into their society in a touching and unforgettable moment.Nubia's time as Queen of the Amazons is showcased in the new DC series from Stephanie Williams, Vita Ayala, Alitha Martinez, Mark Morales, Emilio Lopez, and Becca Carey. Beginning with a flashback to Nubia's own arrival on Themiscyra, readers are reminded of the Amazons' mystical Well of Souls: a portal through which women who have died as a result of the terror of 'Man's World' are reborn, given new life among the immortal women. The five new sisters born of the Well (who represent the first group of women to come through the well in some time) wake up without knowing who they were, where they are, or what's to come next. And for one, it is a rebirth they have spent their entire life waiting for.A HUGE Thank You To All My Patreon, Members, & Subscribe Stars! I Love You All!Simon BarnettRaymond CandelaGPSpectorDavid LDaniel GuitronTKnotatpostJohn LeAuthenticity SeekerBrian KMAY BE MEDocHollidayFrank the Redsatchell78RC ScottThe dukeMarcos R.Razor-sharp Though...Alexander LeonardWelcome To The SH!T ShowJason JohnsonJobustifyMAGAirMike PorterJeffery CarnesRobert WillingCaligula BearP MoneyKenny GSwany RiversLisa DonahueMuddledMessJasValin RookAlazmat FilmsAlexander Trapp Waelse1Raymond CandelaThe Killing JokeBeau ScottBrian KBiggles Macy RRob LynchMathew DrewJohn LeBrandon AllenAlyssa Annette Ybarra Brian HawkinsChris David Raiford B LRyan DeckertMizen Barbarossa Jerm Debo Ruakar-McTwizz-Jade Wheatley Zach Richmond JDthecomicotakuMighty PawsKato Rone Steve Glaskar Dav RozTimothy French Mike Buckner BruceyJeffrey Alan Carnes Anne HolydayNitrosgal 2Sylvia La ChivaJD2981 GPSpectorJ ThreefingersBjörn PerssonSimon Barnett Lil Poetboy2nd Street Marvel Saggy MelonzForced Adversity ResonantJustice Let me know what you think!

Who doesn't love Wonder Woman? We all love the mighty Amazon! So join us for a fun and lively discussion with writer Teresa Jusino as we talk about this matriarchal superhero and the film which tells the story of her creation, "Professor Marston and the Wonder Women." William Moulton Marston, the creator of Wonder Woman, was a Harvard psychologist who co-created the lie detector. With his two life partners, psychologist Elizabeth Holloway Marston and psychology student Olive Byrne, the trio pursued a stable polyamory lifestyle and a continual quest of spread the gospel of matriarchy to the world. Elizabeth was a gifted scholar in her own right and created the lie detector alongside William. Olive was also a student of psychology and part of a lineage of Suffragettes-- her aunt was Margaret Sanger. Elizabeth and Olive had their own amazing relationship with each other which lasted several decades after William's death. An incredible story behind the creation of an incredible hero... Wonder Woman!

"March" Movie Madness part 3 (of 3)! For our final Justice League movie discussion, we go outside the DCEU and discuss two movies dealing with Wonder Woman's origins in very different ways.  Professor Marston and the Wonder Women tells the story of Wonder Woman's creation and also looks at the unconventional lives of her creators. Meanwhile, the 2009 animated film provides a more modern take with an all-star vocal cast.  Join us as we go down the rabbit hole that is Wonder Woman's history and discuss kink, polyamory, and BDSM. And -per usual- we swear a lot, too. Have questions/comments/concerns? Hit us up: tencenttakes@gmail.com ----more----   Jessika: I hope you realize what extremely heavy California accents we have. I hope you understand when the feedback comes in, that will be part of it! Hello and welcome to Ten Cent Takes, the podcast where we correct your comic misconceptions. One issue at a time. My name is Jessika Frazier and I am joined by my cohost, the royal robot, Mike Thompson. Mike: That's right. All my circuits are platinum or I don't know. Gold, gold plated, something. Jessika: Oh, gold plated. You've got like diamond and crusted things. They also serve a purpose being one of the sharpest items or Mike: Yeah I it. Thank you for that intro. Jessika: Of course. Well, the purpose of this podcast is to study comic books in ways that are both fun and informative. We want to look at their coolest, weirdest and silliest moments, as well as examine how they're woven into the larger fabric of pop culture and history. Now, today we're discussing the final installment of our "March" movie madness. Now I'm throwing heavy quotes around March movie madness because it is actually April. Mike: It's almost tax day at this point. Jessika: It's almost tax day. So we bled out a little bit, but we're trying to do these bi-weekly we got a little ahead of ourselves because we got so excited just to be talking about these things that we did a few more than we really anticipated in March, I would say to our listeners benefit. Mike: Yeah, sure. I concur. Jessika: So we are doing a deep dive into Wonder Woman's origins today. Now I'm not just talking about the origins of the character, but also of their creator and the reasons and motivations that drove this comic into existence. I'm excited about this. Mike: I am too. These movies were really pleasant surprises for different reasons. Jessika: I will agree with that wholeheartedly. Now, before we get into that, though. We love to do that whole one cool thing you've read or watched lately. And Mike, let's go ahead and start with you. Mike: Yeah. So I've been consuming a lot of Star Trek lately. I really enjoy the franchise in general, but I have this deep abiding passion for Deep Space Nine because my great uncle who was essentially my grandfather when I was growing up , we used to watch the show together every Sunday when we would go over to their house for dinner. So like, that was just this wonderful bonding activity with this guy who used to be a dive bomber in World War II and his very nerdy little 11-year-old nephew. I have these very treasured memories and I have the entire series on DVD of Deep Space Nine, which I will be buried with by the way. But both the entire series and the recent documentary about the show is on Amazon Prime. So I've been rewatching all of that, and I've been actually rereading some of the comics and then last week Star Trek Legends came out on a Apple Arcade and... it's fine. It's nothing special, but it's a fun distraction if you're a Trekkie who wants to just mash it up all the various characters from the different series together. So I currently have a away team with characters from the Next Generation and then Discovery and then the original series all together. And it's dumb, but it's fun. But this has led me down this rabbit hole, and I think that we should probably wind up doing an episode on Star Trek history in comics and how it actually helped shape the MCU as we know it. Jessika: I would love that. That sounds like so much fun. And I love Star Trek as well. I used to watch Star Trek with my dad. We were a Next Gen family. So I, you know, next gen and Riker jumping over chairs is like near and dear to my heart. Mike: I'm really bummed that that is not an animation and Star Trek Legends. It really makes me so grumpy. Jessika: What a miss. Such a missed opportunity Mike: What about you? What have you been reading or watching lately? Jessika: So I've been casually reading through a reprint of Giant-Size X-Men from 1975, and I say casually just kind of every once in a while I'll pick it up and I'll read through a few pages and be like, "Oh that was fun." And kind of put it back down again between whatever I'm doing. So of course you know they're they're retro comics and you know things are going to... it's me: Things are going to rub me the wrong way about some of the retro comics. Mike: A comic that's almost 40 years old possibly having some problematic elements to it? Go on. Jessika: Yeah no I try to set aside a lot of that but it is quite difficult with my very outspoken mind of mine. But one scene that really bothered me was from Storm's introduction. Professor X seeks out Storm in her native Kenya where she's legitimately saving the countryside by using her weather powers to get rid of drought. Mike: Right Jessika: But Professor X has the audacity to show up and say, "nah listen: Like I know you're helping quote unquote helping people here but I also need your help. And I'm much more important, let's be real. It's just a whole bag of yikes. Mike: Yeah I mean what year did giant size X-Men come out? Was that 75? Jessika: It was 75. Mhm. Mike: Yeah... That was the same year that we got Lois Lane turning black for a literal white savior piece of journalism. Racial sensitivity was not really a thing back then Jessika: Yeah, absolutely. And I and I do try to put myself into that mindset It's just so cringey though in this day and age to see things like that Mike: Yeah. Jessika: What I do like about it that everybody is so salty to one another. Like so salty. They're so sassy to one another. Every other page has just a roast battle between the members of the X-Men where they're like "yeah, One Eye" like Mike: I think I read a reprint of that when I was like 12 or 13 but I haven't re-read it at all recently. So I'll have to go back and check that out Jessika: I'll throw it your way. You can borrow it. It's fun. Well let's get into the meat of our episode and this was definitely a meaty topic. And I know I told you a little bit earlier I love me a good rabbit hole. Love jumping just right into them right off the top I read –more like I listened to but I mean it was a lot of time spent– three different audio books on the topic. Mike: Yeah no that's awesome I'm so excited to hear about all of Jessika: this. And the hard part then was whittling down what information I really wanted to give you. I highly recommend all of these resources and I really want to just throw them out at the top We will also throw them into the show notes. But I highly recommend -if you're interested in this topic- go read more about this because I'm not even touching the surface of these books. They are amazing. So the first one that I read was it was actually an article from smithsonian.com titled "the surprising origin story of Wonder Woman" by Jill LePore which led me to Jill LePore's larger book or I would say more extended book called The Secret History of Wonder Woman. It was also read by the author, so if you're a book on tape person, highly recommend listening to it. She's one of those people who really keeps your attention and she doesn't have that kind of drowsy lilt that some people do while they're reading, So I definitely I was able to stay really focused on it. And the last one was Wonder Woman Psychology by Trina Robbins and that had a couple of different narrators but that one was also very interesting and talked about all of the different aspects of the time and the different parts of psychology and gets more into because you know spoiler alert the author was a psychologist It does get deeper into that whole aspect of the reasons behind the comic in that way. Mike: That's a really cool and I'm really excited to hear everything that you learned because this is a topic that I had a vague awareness of but I have tried to stay as in the dark as possible for this episode because I'm really excited to learn from you about this Jessika: Let's all go on a learning journey together, Folks. What do you say. Mike: Yeah. Hop on the magic school bus kids. Jessika: Here we go. Mike: We're going to hang out with Goth Miss Frizzle. Jessika: Oh my gosh I know I'm wearing all black today and I have high bun. Very McGonigal right now. Mr Porter Um so Diana Prince is the secret identity of Wonder Woman but did you know that the creator of Wonder Woman had a secret identity himself? Well, today we're going to be discussing the creator of Wonder Woman, Charles Milton... or should I say William Moulton Marston. Marston's name, like his stories, were an amalgamation of fact and fiction his middle name mixed with that If max gains one of the co-founders of All-Star Comics and later DC, which stands for Detective Comics -fun fact: I didn't know that- where Wonder Woman made her debut. But Marston was hiding more than just a name. He had an entire life that he kept hidden from the world. William Moulton Marston was born in Massachusetts in May of 1893 to Frederick William Marston and Annie Marston. They bestowed upon him his mother's maiden name molten as a middle name, and as I've mentioned the last name he later uses as his nom du plume. By all accounts he seemed to have a easy childhood though I did hear reports that he was in the military for a stint I should say acting as a psychologist... I believe that was after his Harvard education, though He was accepted to Harvard for his advanced education and he eventually graduated and became a professor of psychology. While attending Harvard, Marston had many interests. One of them being the intelligent and motivated Elizabeth Holloway, whom he would later marry and who had been taking courses in one of the lesser quote unquote lesser universities that you know allowed women at that time. Mike: That was pretty standard at the time, right? Higher education for women was a new thing that was very looked down upon? Jessika: Oh it was incredibly new. This was the early 1900s. We're talking before 1910. That area. Women didn't have the right to vote yet which we definitely will get into. Didn't have the right to vote until 1920. That was a good few years before that point So the schools had the male schools would have a sister school basically or a lesser school . And for Harvard that was Radcliffe, which is where Holloway went And this was considered again the sister school But of course didn't have the same name and you didn't get the same degree .You still graduated from Radcliffe and women really didn't have the option to go down that actual Harvard route, which of course didn't give them an edge at all No edge Thanks a lot. Mike: Yeah what did you use a degree for back then? Jessika: I mean, nothing. What are you going to do with this degree in your home, in the kitchen? The oven doesn't need you to have a degree. It's just so gross. Mike: It's not a masters in baking roasts, Linda Jessika: And how they wished it were. You would think. Harvard acted like that. It was rough. She did however finish her education and become an lawyer with her degree being issued from Radcliffe despite petitioning multiple times to get a Harvard degree, since she was taking the same classes, they were the same classes. Mike: With the same professors, too, right? Jessika: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The class just had women in it instead of men That was the only difference. During college she and Marston were inseparable. One of the biographies I read stated that there was this rule that a woman could not walk or ride unaccompanied with a man However Holloway thought that was a completely stupid rule and just didn't follow it, which I love. She's like, "fuck that." Mike: That's so good. Jessika: And everything else I read about her said "fuck the rules, I do what I want." Which is so amazing for a woman in the early 1900s. I mean it's kind of an interesting concept right now let alone the 1900s. Mike: Yeah... we still have all of these societal norms that women are not supposed to go against. Jessika: Yeah. So Marston varied interests also included a search for "the truth." Quote unquote the truth. This was partially inspire Now part of what he invented I should say was inspired by an observation by Holloway that when she got mad or excited her blood pressure seemed to climb. And from that Marston created the earliest version of what we now know as the lie detector test or polygraph. The test is we know it now measures more than just blood pressure which was really the only thing he was checking on. Blood pressure in and of itself isn't going to tell you everything that you quote unquote need to know for a lie detector to be effective. That being said it's also mostly an admissible as we know it now in the US court of laws depending on the place and both parties have to agree to have it be accepted into the court case which I found I didn't know that. Yeah! Mike: I knew that growing up lie detector tests were considered to be kind of this infallible thing. And then it was like well you know you can sort of get around it by all these old wives tales of like you know you put a tack in your shoe and you press your toe against it and the pain messes up the results. And then later on I found out that they're not really great, they're not really admissible anymore but I didn't know that because I know that a lot of law enforcement still loves to rely on it. Jessika: Yeah and I think about the if you think about when you're nervous you can have a lot of different reasons for being nervous. Not because you're lying, necessarily. You could be a bad test taker and then you suddenly look like a guilty party It could be as that. Mike: I'm just thinking about all the times that I had to give public speeches. Either class presentations or later on when I was a journalist and I was moderating panels. Every time my pulse would be through the roof. Jessika: Same. Now can you imagine being somebody who is of an oppressed or a minority population who's being put into a situation where they have people of power who have them in a room and they have control and that is a really scary thing. Mike: Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare scenario. Jessika: I can imagine my heart rate going up in that situation, so having that be the measure doesn't seem like the best of ideas In my opinion. That being said, it does seem to be admissible in the court of Steve Wilkos and other daytime television shows. Mike, tell me the truth: Do you or have you ever watched those daytime shows like Maury or Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos? Mike: Yeah, so... Not only did I watch Maury during the daytime when I was just working on stuff at school and I wanted something on in the background, but I was a staff photographer for a newspaper during a celebrity golf tournament and Maury Povich was one of the celebrity golfers. He was really nice I wound up chatting with him for a minute while he was waiting for his turn at golf. I really feel like I missed an opportunity to have him record saying that I was not the father because that was the big thing that he was doing back then was all those paternity tests. Jessika: You say that like he's not still doing that. Mike: I don't know, does he still have show? I don't have TV anymore Jessika: I think so. You know, I really just catch clips. What I'll do is if I'm working and I have to be paying attention to my work -or if I if it's not something mindless like entering data or something- I like to listen to podcasts if I can actually pay attention but if I can't I'll just put on -and I don't watch it but I'll just- put on rotating clips through Facebook or something just go through Facebook watch and just whatever comes up next comes up. And every once in a while we'll get one of those Steve Wilkos and I hear "STEEEEVE" and I'm like, "Oh here we go." And it's always it's always a lie detector test, still to this day. Mike: Was Steve the guy who got his own show sprung off of like spun off of Jerry Springer? Jessika: "sprung off Springer." Correct. Yes. Mike: My roommate and I in college loved to watch Jerry Springer at night because it was the trashiest shit and we not stop. It was like a train wreck, you couldn't look away. Which I think was generally the appeal of Jerry Springer. But it's hard to resolve that because every interview I've seen with the guy he seems like a really pleasant down to earth human being. And then I'm like but you put the trashiest shit on television and it is demonstrable the effect that you had on daytime talk shows for a long time and still to this day in certain ways but for a while everybody was aping that. Anyway, this was a tangent. Jessika: That's okay It was exactly the tangent I wanted. Mike: Maury seemed like a lovely person for all two minutes that I interacted with him, and I hope that Jerry Springer is the person that he seems to be during interviews. Jessika: Same. Well, speaking of life drama, Marston had plenty. Mike: Oh, do tell. Jessika: Yeah. He was already married to his wife the aforementioned Elizabeth -who for consistency I'm going to continue calling Holloway though she did take his name when they got married. Marston, working as a professor at Tufts which is another university, fell in love with one of his students, Olive Byrne, in 1925 and advised his wife that Byrne could either move in or Marston was leaving. Mike: Oh. Jessika: Yeah. That was what the history said So we'll talk through the movie later Mike: Yeah, 'cuz my only familiarity with this so far is what I saw in the movie. *uggggh* Jessika: That was my reaction I now I did my research prior to watching the movie for this exact reason. So I watched the movie last night. It's super fresh. Mike: Yeah I watched it yesterday afternoon and then I watched the other one which we'll get into so it was the origins of Wonder Woman and then Wonder Woman a little bit more modern incarnation. Jessika: Perfect. Yeah. Byrne interestingly enough was the niece of Margaret Sanger. Have you heard that name before Mike: Yeah. She was like one of the early women's rights crusaders. Jessika: Yeah Yup Yup She was a renowned women's rights and birth control activist along with her sister Ethel Byrne opened the first birth control clinic in the United States which is so cool Mike: Yeah, that's awesome. Jessika: Both however were arrested for the illegal distribution of contraception and Ethel Byrne almost died during a hunger strike while she was in jail. Mike: I remember reading about that like in one of my one of my history classes. I mean, that checks out. Jessika: It was bad news bears. So I didn't write this down but I'm just remembering but I did read or listened to sources that said that multiple women were arrested and went on hunger strike and they were forced feeding them It was just it was bad news. The whole thing was just bad. So this obviously was during a time when women were still fighting for the right to vote as I'd mentioned earlier. And the idea of feminism was just a twinkle of a notion. So Byrne Holloway and Marston all three lived together for years as a throuple. Super interestingly they made up a backstory for all of as a widowed relative and both Holloway and Byrne were raising Marston's children. Byrne's Children were always told that their father had passed away and did not find out about the truth of their father's identity until after his death. Mike: Wow. So he fathered children with both women, correct? Jessika: He did. Yeah He fathered I believe two with Byrne and three with Holloway. They all live together in a house and again they managed to keep it secret enough that even their children didn't know. In the same house It's so wild to me Like how you and Mike: Insane to me. Jessika: You fathered children with this woman and they didn't know. No one knew. I can't fathom that honestly. Especially in a time when everybody was up at everybody else's business. Mike: Oh yeah. It's not like we had Netflix. You needed to do invent your own drama. Jessika: You look out Mike: the window. Before Marston died because he died fairly young as I remember it. So that was the whole thing in the movie is that they got out as being in a throuple to their neighbors. Nothing? Jessika: Never happened. They didn't get in trouble at the school. They didn't get in trouble with the neighbors. None of that. It was seamless. Mike: That actually makes me really happy. Jessika: Me too Mike: I love the idea of it sounds like a relatively healthy family. Jessika: I Mike: don't know. Maybe? Jessika: Y'know from what I was hearing because we're still in 1910 we're still in the 1920s I guess at this point it's still is like Marston is Papa Marston he's still man of the house. So I don't know especially when you're looking at this whole -how it was phrased and this is just a couple of sources- but just as far as how it's phrased in this I don't know that Holloway really had a choice other than "well I could be stuck here with" I don't know if she had children at that point "I could maybe be stuck as a single mother in the 1920s or I could allow this other woman to come into my house" but what's great about that is Byrne was able to just stay home and raise the kids. So Holloway was still able to go out and have a career. Yeah She still went out and had a career And so that's where it's I have a hard time saying definitively black and white Marston was a feminist as we would call him now. Probably not. But he definitely had the leanings of that. And he definitely was far advanced for his time Mike: sure I can only imagine. Was he still teaching during this time or was he doing something else? Jessika: He did so many things. He did so many things and I'll actually get into that a little bit further. But it was such a it did seem like a good situation for everyone. Marston had multiple professional interests And Marston believed not only in equality for women, but even further he believed that society should be matriarchal... which is where he goes a little bit more like a Ooh he just kind of swings off you know Cause he's like, "no no no no we should go in the exact 180. There's no middle ground here Women should rule society." Sure right now we live with men. Let's flip it over on its head and see how it goes I guess? But would settle for equality. Mike: Speaking as a mediocre white dude I'm totally fine with this plan. Jessika: Great Let's put it into effect. Who could I call? Papa Joe? I'll bring Mike: it up at the next meeting at the next mediocre white dude club meeting Jessika: I knew you guys had meetings. The gays definitely have meetings Well yeah You know you know you know I'm like well like I'm excluding you from the LGBT community That's rude of me and my Mike: apologies. The rest of them already do already. It's fine. Jessika: To Touché. We did have that conversation earlier. Biphobia. It's a real problem Mike: Yeah It's fun. Jessika: Yeah we were talking about Marston and his wild matriarchal ideas. And his idea was that women were more thoughtful empathetic and level headed when making decisions and would be better suited to positions of leadership. And Marston is quoted as saying -and if you want us to read this quote for me: Mike: okay! " Frankly Wonder Woman is a psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world." Jessika: So you can kind of see where he was going with that. Obviously she's powerful, she's more powerful than most of the men that she comes across. And he really was trying to flip that on its head with this character. Mike: Yeah. There was nothing like her before that Jessika: No. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. However Marston's entry into the entertainment business didn't start with feminine power of Wonder Woman but instead with the film industry and again this is early film we're talking. He was in the silent film era and then moved talkies. Mike: Golden Age. Jessika: The Golden Age. And there he wrote screenplays and later acted as the consulting psychologist for universal pictures which I didn't even know That was a thing Having a consulting psychologist makes a lot of sense Mike: Yeah it does I just had no idea that was even a role that existed back then. Jessika: Yeah I know. And back then even I know. And at this point he'd already been published, having written dozens of magazine articles and a novel about his opinions Let's just call them or his findings about psychology at the time. And it is called a novel So just keep that in mind. It's called "Emotions of People" I believe. And they do mention it briefly in the film I didn't read it. I'm sure I could jump around and do I just didn't want to get into 1920s garbage which to He was then asked in 1941 to be the consulting psychologist for DC by Maxwell Charles Gaines who was more or less the creator of comics as we know them. At the time Gaines was under fire for content that folks deemed at the time to be risque. So he hired Marston to take off some of the heat by approving the content that was going out. With Marston on the team the largest complaints that they received was the aggressive masculinity that seemed to be the theme of all of the comic books. Yeah I know. You would think that we live in this society that values men so much you would think that we'd be able to just carry on with that you one form. Mike: Yeah Especially during that era which was right when we were getting into World War II and we were going hard for those traditional masculine values Jessika: Yup we want strong men who can go out there and die, I mean fight, for us. Yes. Marston suggested that the best way to counter that idea with the critics was to create a female superhero. Now Gaines accepted the idea but told Marston he had to write the strip himself. So he did. And with the help of illustrator Harry G Peter, Wonder Woman was in essence born. She was fierce, she was strong, she had a lasso that was that made others obey. It wasn't a truth thing that we now know it as the lasso of truth It was an obedient situation. Everybody who was lassoed had to obey her. So it was more of a dominance situation, which we will absolutely get to. And it makes a little bit more sense. Although there again with his lie detector the truth also makes sense. Either way, it tracks but it was obedience. Mike: Yeah you don't say. Jessika: One of her most important qualities was that she didn't kill. That was her empathy. That was that piece of her that was more feminine than some of those other comic book characters, those typical comic book characters Mike: Yeah. Even in the early days I know Batman killed people originally. He was like a goon and I think Superman did too in his early run. I think, can't remember for sure. Jessika: I believe so And then they when they got the comics code? When it was stricter with the comics code that's when they kind of moved into less actual killing from what I was reading I believe. Mike: You know I don't know for certain but it may have been before that because they were just they're such popular characters for kids. But I'm not entirely certain but I know that the early appearances are pretty brutal. I remember Batman hanging a dude from his plane. Jessika: Well I mean Superman came out in 1939 so yeah it's early. I'm going to send you a picture Mike: Okay. Jessika: And so this is the first introduction to Wonder Woman which was seen on the cover of sensation comics Will you please describe the cover? Mike: Yeah .So it is Sensation Comics Number One, the best of the DC magazines. You see Wonder Woman I'm not sure if the sun is really enlarged or if she is just jumping in front of something that's yellow to kind of add a little color to it but she is being shot at by a bunch of what appear to be mobsters somewhere in Washington DC because the capital is there and... is that is that the Lincoln Memorial? I can't tell what other building is that has the flag. Jessika: Apparently they're right across the street from each other. Not real life. This is scale. Mike: It looks like a vaguely government building I can't tell. Jessika: Yeah supposed to be something like that Mike: But it says "featuring the sensational new adventure strip character Wonder Woman!" You got to get that exclamation point in. She's kind of jacked like even back then which I kind of love. She is wearing a truly unflattering pair of boots that are only going up to mid calf as opposed to what we know now where they're just above the knee and armored and bad-ass. But it's the outfit that actually she's still sort of rocking the day where she's got the kind of red bustier with the gold eagle on it and then she's got the bulletproof bracelets and then she's got what I can only describe it as the bottom part of a sun dress kind of skirt where it's like very flowy? As opposed to that that gladiatorial skirt that she has now. But it's very identifiably Wonder Woman. Jessika: Yeah. And it goes back and forth between this was her first debut but it wasn't her first issue. first issue she was wearing more of what people were calling underpants of this same pattern. And that's what more used to. Yeah We're used to those like little booty shorts that she's rocking. So, right off the bat: Mike if you were a critic, in 1942 what would your main complaint about this be? Just based on the cover? Mike: I don't know. They were really concerned about the violence that was being marketed towards kids so probably the gunfire. Probably the fact that she was showing too much skin. Jessika: it. She wasn't clothed enough .Oh, they didn't care about the gunfire. That was not what was that was not the problem. Gasp. The drama was that Wonder Woman was wearing far too few clothes for Puritan America. Mike: Jesus Christ. And that's actually super tame Jessika: It's really tame. When you think about other superheroes that we have nowadays especially: You've got these massive boobs that are up to her neck and this little waist and like wearing a thong. But this is so covered Mike: Yeah. A lot of modern comics have these very almost suggestive poses. Do you remember when the Avengers came out and and all of the dudes had very action-oriented poses and then Black Widow was turned so that we could see her butt? She had Jessika: her like her arm up so that you could see her boob line. Mike: Yeah. And it's a really action oriented pose and it's very matter of fact there is nothing sexualized about that, kinda love. Jessika: Marston made it a point for her to be doing action and for her to be doing sports and for her to be doing things that were very active because women weren't given that as a role. So he really wanted to present that as another facet of, "Hey, this can also be feminine. Yeah I thought so, too. And while a slight costume adjustment seemed easy enough to deal with some critics also had qualms with other aspects of the comic. Namely, the depiction of women especially our heroine being tied or chained up or left in other positions of containment. Now, Marston's intention behind this seemed to be twofold in my opinion. Part one feminism and part two I also think he was just in kinky motherfucker. Which is great. Like, that's fine no kink shame. But we're going to briefly discuss both. So part one feminism. Marston was a supporter of women's rights, as we said. He was a supporter of the right to vote and the ability to have access to contraceptives. He'd been a supporter of these movements in his own right and was particularly struck by the female suffragettes who would chain themselves to a location in protest. Chains seem to him to be the very image brought to life of how society chains down and stifles women from succeeding. Either chaining them to their family before they're wed, chaining them to their new husband, or chaining them to pregnancies that they either cannot afford or don't want. In each of these portrayals of Wonder Woman being tied down there is always the moment that she's able to break free from her restraints in triumph which is just a perfect metaphor for the modern woman being able to break free from the societal chains that still bind her. And this hope that women will be able to eventually free themselves for good. In everything I've read, you had women suffragettes chaining themselves to places in protest. Same thing with the contraceptive movement. That was a huge metaphor for both of those movements, so it would make sense that if you are portraying a feminist during that era that that might be a theme. And I think people who maybe didn't support or were unfamiliar with the movements might have something to say negatively against the imagery, especially if they didn't understand Mike: We had a lot of people back then who were really pushing for propriety and basically you can't let immoral elements affect the children. They always fucking latch on to like "think of the children. Protect the children." Fuck off. Jessika: We still do that shit. This is just like pizza gate all over again. Mike: Yeah Jessika: Pizza gate before pizza gate. Little did they know. But part two: the kink factor. Marston had a whole dominance theory that I think tells a lot more about him than it does to the human experience In general I'm not going to get deep into the theory because we both have lives but it pertains to dominance and submission at the very minimum. Mike: You don't say. Jessika: Yo I know right. Mike: What. Shock. Jessika: At this point it's pretty well established that individuals have different drives and things that excite them. But I think that Marston was looking at the world from a place of, oh I like this So everybody is like this." Which just isn't the case for everybody. Mike: Right. But that's also like a very stereotypical kind of dude attitude. Jessika: Yeah. This is my worldview and so it must be everybody's. Absolutely. Again, he's some Harvard bro. Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Jessika: You're able to just go to Harvard in 1925 like Mike: NBD. I'm Jessika: gonna Mike: to be living near there soon. Oh God. I'm going to Jessika: be visiting you soon. I've got the people there. You're fine. We'll get you there. We'll get you there. But my impression is that he assumed that everyone else was a little kinky like him. Also it needs to be stated that again in interviewing Marson's children they never saw toys, ropes, anything that he had mentioned in the comics or that were the things that were being taken as this great offense, they didn't see any of those things. So it was this was also a complete surprise to them nothing related to bondage. Mike: Yeah that's wild man. I just I think about the fact that my partner has stories about how when everyone was out of the house she would just snoop around when she was growing up. And I remember doing that too And kids get into shit. Jessika: We also grew up in the age in the era of the latchkey child, though. My parents would just and not for long periods of time it's not like they would go out of town or something. But they'd leave us and say "don't answer the door. You're not home. Don't answer the phone. We'll call and ring twice and then hang up and then call back If we want to talk to you know whatever there was a code. But there again we lived in a different time even this many years I mean it just we sound like old people every time we have this conversation. Mike: You know someone pointed out that if Back To The Future was taking place today Marty McFly would be going back to like 91. Jessika: Don't do this to me. Mike: We're old, Jess. Jessika: We're Mike: practically Jessika: this Okay Mike. This is going to seem like such a non-sequitur But have you ever had to do a DISC personality assessment for any of your offices jobs? Mike: I don't think so. The name isn't familiar but describe this to me. Jessika: Basically it's like any of those other stupid employee personality tests where they try to like "what part of the team are you? How can we use your strengths?" I'm a supervisor so I've had to go through all this crap. And it's cool. It's a cool concept but it's also like mind numbing if it's not your wheelhouse. Mike: No. So I've never taken anything like this no. Jessika: Okay So yeah you basically answered a bunch of questions about what you would do in a situation. And it's kind of one of those no wrong answers kind of tests. And then they put you into one of four different categories. So I have had to do this before and and other ones like it but I honestly can't remember what I scored and I'm not going to get into a long-winded lecture on the topic either but suffice it to say that part of that is dominance That's the D and part of it is compliance which is the C. Mike: So was this something Marston came up with? Jessika: Yeah. Marston came up with and it's we still use version of this today which is so interesting. So far he's got lie detector, check. We still kind of use it today. Steve Wilkos does. And then now he's got the DISC which I definitely have taken. Now, it doesn't look the same. The categories are not the same as when he first created them. So less kink forward I would say. But you still have those two that are vibing you know. And for those of you are you unfamiliar with the kink scene: Power dynamics in play can sometimes come in the form of having one dominant and one submissive partner. But again not everybody functions in that way. Ultimately, wonder Woman was allowed to continue as she was. Delighting readers even to this day though of course the writing has changed hands multiple times meaning that her true meaning was sometimes lost to those who were in charge of telling her story. For example once Wonder Woman entered the Justice League she was immediately made to be the secretary. And there were many times that she was relegated to staying behind because she just had so much to take care of and "oh little old me couldn't get involved in having lifting" bullshit. God damn. She's so fucking strong. She has powers and Batman doesn't. Why the fuck does he get to go on missions? Why the fuck Isn't Batman the secretary? That's my question. Oh he has money my own his Mike: power that he's rich. Jessika: God damn. Yeah. Thanks for that Ben Affleck. We know. Still like him as Batman. Mike: Yeah. I'll die on that hill he was good. Jessika: Yeah Yeah He was good There was also a point where she lost her powers completely though did gain them back, those were times that Wonder Woman didn't necessarily feel like the fierce warrior she truly is. Mike: Yeah, actually, Brian's comics -our local comic shop- the first time I went in there they had the all-new Wonder Woman issue where it's like this iconic cover where it's her tearing up I think the original version of her and it's like get ready for the all new Wonder Woman I think that's when they de-powered her. I think. I'm not certain I'm really bummed that I didn't pick that up when it was there. Jessika: The idea behind that apparently was supposed to be that would make her more human and relatable but that's not you're just taking away the things that make her a stronger character for people that look up to her. Mike: Yeah I'm sorry. Did you were you able to hear my eyes rolling out of their Jessika: I did actually Yeah no that was a really palpable eye-roll. well Marston passed away at the age of 53 of cancer So very young like you were saying. Yeah. Holloway and Byrne continue living together until they both went into the hospital around the same time in 1990. When Byrne passed away, in a different room in the same hospital at the age of 86. Mike: I Jessika: got teary writing this so I'm probably going to get teary reading it. Upon hearing the news of burns passing Holloway sang a poem by Tennyson in her hospital room. So everything I've read alludes to the idea that Holloway and Byrne were also in a relationship with each other not just the man with all of them that they did have there were women who were kind of rotating in the house. It wasn't just these two there were other women who at different periods of time lived in the house undetected by the way can we just give it up for the Marston Family. Mike: Like. How? Jessika: That's what I'm saying. I don't know, money? And the dude had his little hands in everything so he probably just knew a bunch of people I don't know How do you get away with things as a guy I literally can't even imagine. Mike: This is my friend who's coming over to assist with this thing? The question is were they just coming into visit or were they living there for periods of Jessika: time? They were living there for a parts. Yes I know me too. I know. Okay let's run through: You have a widowed relative. You could be bringing in a nanny. You could be bringing in another person who works in the house et cetera et cetera. You could be bringing in a cousin or another type of relative. I'm sure you could excuse up the yin yang. Mike: Yeah I mean you can come up with excuses but if they're like living with you for any amount of time there are those moments of small intimacies that other people will pick up on. I don't know I mean were the kids just dumb? I don't know like how that requires some serious commitment to acting I feel. Jessika: Yeah. Oh yeah. Mike: So much fucking effort. Jessika: I was just going to say that. Can you imagine? I can't. Mike: No. Jessika: The mental strain alone. Mike: Like I have one partner, I have step-kids, and I have pets and that's like that's kind of the extent of my bandwidth. Jessika: Oh okay So I am non-monogamous or Poly, polyamorous. So I do have multiple partners although I they're what I would consider like secondary partners or partners that I don't I don't live with them, I don't necessarily see them on a super regular basis but I still maintain a relationship with them. And I still consider them partners. To whatever you know effect that is. But it is a lot of work and it's so much communication and you can just tell that Marston had to have been really communicative and that whole family had to have been really communicative. Mike: They must have been. Jessika: Or else how. Mike: At the same time like that era men weren't necessarily expected to be super communicative or show a lot of emotion or be the one to provide nurturing experiences with the kids. So maybe they just didn't get a lot of exposure to the kids and were really just exposed to their mothers and the motherly figures. I mean, this is all completely uninformed speculation so don't take anything that I'm saying with even a grain of salt like this. Jessika: Oh no. Absolutely at any rate Holloway passed away in 1993 at the ripe age of 100. Mike: Oh wow. So there was a little bit Jessika: of an age difference. Around Yeah there was there was yeah. Sounds like about a little bit less than 20 years. About 14 years. But if you think about it she was in college. Mike: Yeah. Jessika: He was her teacher and they were already married. He went to I want to say that he started college like prior to 1910. And they met and she moved into the house in 1925. So that's a good 15. Mike: He would have been about he would have been about 17 and 1910 right? Based on it like he was 1893 he said? Jessika: Yes yes. Yeah. And it sounds like Holloway was born the same year. Mike: Yeah and I got to say the love story between Holloway and Byrne sounds like something straight out of a movie. Which we're about to get into. But we all want to have that partner who is with us till the bitter end and then they sing a poem in our memory. Like goddamn. Jessika: It's just so beautiful. Yeah. They had it when they live together in the house, they had adjoining rooms and this is where it's like how did your kids not know because Marston would sleep in both. How did he like literally how did they not know? No it's wild to me. And then when they were older, byrne and Holloway lived in a little two bedroom place in Tampa together. This cute place apparently. So let's talk about our reactions here. We did also watch Professor Marston and the Wonder Women which I think it's worth a watch in my just off the bat. Mike: Yeah. I really liked it a lot and it was a movie that totally flew under the radar for me when it came out. I was vaguely aware of it but I really did not know much about it before we talked about what movies we wanted to do and March being women's month it seemed like a natural conclusion after the DCEU. Jessika: Yeah. Absolutely. That train wreck. I'm sorry. Mike: I was Jessika: of We did. We did enjoy one of the movies and we enjoyed aspects of of them. I trailed off my brain wouldn't let me do it It's like no that sentence Mike: I mean we kind of enjoyed parts of the Snyder cut Jessika: We did We liked it better Mike: than I don't like we're still Jessika: bitching about the Snyder Cut Mike: Look at Jessika: this Mike: back Jessika: Goddammit. We've literally can't get away from it Zach Snyder, hit us up.. No don't. You're not going to like what you hear I'm going to get to eat It adds Zach Snyder is going to be like Mike: I want the Snyder cut of Professor Marston in the Women which will be just scenes of Luke Evans with the Women in the background and don't do anything else. Jessika: And there's no dialogue in this one at all. It's just it's just heavy looks. Mike: It's just all the scenes from that sorority scene just over and just dark, scenes. Jessika: Definitely talk about that. Oh. What did you think about the film overall. Mike: Like I said, I overall really enjoyed it. I had heard about this movie a little bit. I remember my weightlifting partner at the time was telling me about how she and her wife had gone and enjoyed it and she thought that I would really like it. And I was like, "yeah okay cool." And then it just I didn't get around to seeing it while it was out in it's very limited run in theaters. And then I don't think it ever came to any streaming platform when I was aware of it. I was really surprised by actually how much I did enjoy it. I thought it was a shockingly sweet love story and I was expecting something much more judgmental or scandalous I was really expecting a much more judgy story about the Marstons and Byrne raising an entire family as a throuple. Jessika: was too. Mike: I was wondering if the relationship was ever outed and if they ever did break up like they did in the movie because that felt kind of forced and it felt very Hollywood and I was like "all right, whatever. This is dumb." At the end where they're on their knees submitting to Byrne." Jessika: Spot on That was made up There was none of that. Mike: I still think the most offensive thing about that movie was that they tried to make me think that someone who looked like Luke Evans was responsible for Wonder Woman's creation. I love Luke Evans I think he's really a fun actor and I was really glad to see him in a real role as opposed to I saw Dracula untold in theaters. I saw I'm Oh man I I didn't see Beauty and The Beast in theaters but I've since seen it. He's one of those actors where I feel like he just needs to be given good roles. He's like Kiana Reeves where I feel like he's often typecast and just thrust into stuff that aren't really any good but he was really good in this. That said: I've seen that man shirtless so many times and I don't know a single comic creator with abs like that. On the flip side, I went into this trying to keep myself as unaware a lot of the history of Marston but I do know what he looked like in his forties and that was like a dude in his seventies. Jessika: Did you watch all at the end of the film they had all the pictures. Yeah And you're just like, "oh. Oh." Like because Byrne and Holloway also not looking like who they cast. Not even a little bit, not even at all. Mike: Okay this is mean. But I'm like yes you look like the type of people who would be in a throuple. Jessika: No. Okay, fair enough And especially here's you know what it reminded me of it reminded me of those pictures that I used to see from that era where the Women especially with those two they looked like the type who would dress up as men and go to the clubs. Mike: Absolutely Jessika: I get that. It's just a vibe I get and maybe it's just my gaydar Like my pansexual gaydar is Mike: going But I mean that's the ongoing lie that Hollywood loves to tell us is that truly sexy people are in throuples all the time. No they're fucking not. I'm bI And I was dating here in the Bay area and I would occasionally get hit on by people looking for a third and they never looked like that. Jessika: And in my experience and opinion if you go at it with the wrong attitude you're not necessarily going to get what you want out of it. And it's not going to be a genuine feeling relationship. Mike: Which I mean like that's relationships in general. Like Yeah I feel like a huge thing of any successful relationship is communications. Stay tuned listeners for our next podcast about relationships and relationship advice And I don't know I don't know where I was going with that. Jessika: Oh I was like we have a new podcast. We're four episodes into this podcast and Mike's like folks we have a new podcast. You know what I like I like your gusto. I like a motivated you Mike: I did have two quibbles about the movie. Getting back on topic. First we earlier mentioned there was no acknowledgement about the problematic nature of how Marston and Byrne's relationship began. Where he was her professor and she was his student. The movie was very fuzzy with time it was very fluid that way. So it wasn't really explained if she was still his student when the relationship began or if she was his research assistant but there was that power imbalance and their dynamic and that was deeply uncomfortable for me because it wasn't addressed. They just kinda hand waved it away. Fine. Whatever. For the movie, fine. Jessika: same way about that. Yeah It just it's gross and to your point there is a power dynamic that I was thinking about. If you are trying to please somebody who has some sort of control over you, whatever that looks like, if it's somebody who has your grades or your future career or your education or even your job... you know this could be at a job setting. If that person has power over you you're less inclined to say "no" to them. And that automatically puts you at a disadvantage. Mike: It was something that I noticed and I was a little frustrated that it wasn't addressed better. The second was that it didn't feel like we actually got enough time with Wonder Woman. The comics and the character felt more like a framing device but a framing device that we didn't really get a lot of payoff on, considering the title of the movie. I thought the scenes where he was actually in the comic office and there was a bit where they're like "Oh well, they're upset about the bondage. And they're like I feel like there's twice as much. And then he just is like I put in three times as much and he keeps walking. And and Oliver Platt was so great and I wanted more of him. For a movie that has Wonder Woman or Wonder Women in the title I just I wanted a little bit more time and acknowledgement. It felt like much more attention was paid just to their relationship with like the first two thirds of the movie. And then he goes with hat in hand to Oliver Platt's character at... was it all-star Comics? Was Jessika: that it? Mike: Yeah. I mix up all the publishers because they've all merged and come together at various. So yeah he It just it it was And especially cause you were like no he got hired to like do this to get them out of hot water now I'm like that makes much more sense. Jessika: Yeah He Mike: Considering the importance that we're led to believe that Wonder Woman will be to his story, I mean she's there. Like they do a number of things where they keep teasing us with Wonder Woman but we never really get that payoff. What about you like Jessika: I did my research on the topic prior to watching the film. So this will be mostly on what the film did or didn't do correctly kind of history with my own opinion of course sprinkled in as you'd expect from So to your point most of the drama seems to have been fabricated There's no indication that any issues with Radcliffe, like trying to boot him for indecency or with the neighbors regarding their relationship, and again even their children didn't know until after Marston's passing about their relationship. And I didn't read anything about them having split up at any point. And again I think that was just added for a forceful Hollywood dramatics play, since we're on the topic of dominance. And there again Marston was already working for Gaines when he created the idea of Wonder Woman and it was in direct relation to the voice of the critics. So he was answering the critics here. So it didn't necessarily seem like as big of a you did this thing and now we're going to make you pay. It was like well okay Right. The sections with Connie Britton -love her by the way, want more in my life just in general- and their back and forth minus all the people drama was actually pretty accurate as far as capturing the concerns of the day and what was being argued in the lobby against Wonder Woman. And then also pretty accurate in what his counterpoints were in relation to the to the comic itself. Mike: Yeah And I thought that was a smart choice to kind of make her the voice of the critics. Jessika: Yeah. That being said his relationship didn't come up at any point in this again because nobody knew about it until after the fact. So it's not like she would have been like what about those things you were indecent. Well, no that that didn't happen. That was all for dramatics. Overall I really liked it. So, again, me as a pansexual: love a good queer film and also being polyamorous or non-monogamous it was so nice seeing that to your point represented so positively, and without judgment. That was so surprising to me I really thought that there was going to be some sort of aspect from the point of view of the viewer to not want them to succeed. But the whole time you really do you're rooting for them. Mike: If you're a fan of history in comic books I think this is a great movie to go check out. My final thought is that reminded me a lot of Kinsey. Did you ever see that? It had Liam Neeson and Laura Linney in it and it's all about Kinsey, the guy created the Kinsey scale of sexuality. Jessika: Oh okay I'll have to check it out Mike: It's great. This kind of reminded me the same way where it's mostly true. It's not quite all there because they have to tszuj it up for the audiences. Jessika: Yeah, yeah. Well, let's move on to our other film that we watched which was Wonder Woman from 2009. And that was the animated origin story of Wonder Woman Do you want to give an overview of the film for us? Mike: Yeah, sure. This is one of the original DC Universe Animated Original Movies which were at the time this came out in 2009 they were still in their infancy. They'd only done three before. This one is loosely based on George Perez's acclaimed 1980s storyline called "Gods and Monsters" and it's written by Gail Simone and Michael Jelenic. Gail Simone has gotten her own amount of acclaim for writing Wonder Woman as well. The film introduces us to the Amazons who win a war against Ares and then they're granted the Island of Themiscyra and immortality in exchange for acting as Ares' jailer by the gods. Diana is later sculpted from clay and given life by the gods. This is kind of in direct opposition to the current mythos of Zeus being her deadbeat dad and then Diana lives on the Island for thousands of years until pretty much the modern day when two key events happen. Steve Trevor crashes on the Island by happenstance and then Ares stages of jailbreak. And Diana has to take Steve back to the United States and he helps her and request to stop the god of war. Jessika: And actually pretty similar to where they tried to go with the original Wonder Woman. So this was absolutely not a cartoon for children. Mike: Nooooo. Jessika: blood spattered backgrounds, fairly graphic death scenes, and three beheadings three beheadings. We're talking the head flying off and falling dramatically at someone's feet kind of beheading. And that being said I didn't particularly mind the violent nature of the animation as a movie for adults as I feel that it was done in a way that felt true to the battle and the struggle of what was happening in the storyline and it didn't feel overly gross in its depictions or its animations like just enough to give the definite impression that violence was occurring. That makes sense Ares is a super violent guy and he affects everyone around him into violence themself so that it did make sense in that way. So things I liked is that it it seemed to me like a fairly good representation of Wonder Woman's origin story as it was originally told by Marston based on what I was reading. Mike: Yeah it it felt like a very classic take on Wonder Woman's origin. And it was very familiar to someone who grew up nominally aware of her origins and reading her mini comics with her action figure and stuff like that. Jessika: One main difference was that the movie was set in seemingly present day America. Since at one point Wonder Woman ends up fighting in a mall, the fighter planes that Steve and company were flying looked modern for 2009. Marston's Wonder Woman was originally set in World War Two of course whereas the 2018 live action film with Gal Gadot was set in World War One. So we've just jumped around. Again DC is definitely not consistent. Mike: It's comic books. And DC's own in- comics timeline has been drastically reworked several times just in our lifetime. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. And this time period change it definitely affects the vibe and political climate of American society at that time in the cartoon we're not presented with a particular war or a reason for fighting we're evidently just supposed to understand that the world of men is in constant battle every moment. Whereas in the original comic and Wonder Woman film Both took place during large global wars where it wouldn't be a far leap to present the god of war as the cause of those events. Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Jessika: Now things I didn't like cause apparently I veered into not liking and then we're continuing down that road. For someone that wasn't raised in a patriarchal society, Diana's internalized misogyny is staggering. At one point she says to Steve, "you're starting to sound like a woman" when he's discussing having feelings for her and later says to Ares, "how can you expect to beat Zeus If you can't even beat a girl." The fuck that? Mike: Which kind of goes against everything else that she does in the movie. Jessika: Yeah it directly against it. Yeah, so that was irritating. And then not only that, the president, because apparently they're in Washington DC, the president is told that they were saved by a group of armored supermodels. Which I had to rewind it and write that line down grossed. Out It's such a condescending and reductive statement to make about individuals that just saved your lives while you apparently slept through the whole situation, Mr President. And it drives home the point that even in heroism, women's worth is still viewed only in her attractiveness. Mike: Yeah there was a lot of that. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. They also have Diana do quite a bit of killing with absolutely no thought whatsoever which is not in the original character at all. That doesn't feel very Diana. Mike: I mean, no. But at the same time I don't particularly have a problem with it but yeah Jessika: Yeah. So that was me. What about you? Were you at with that? Mike: I think I had a slightly more positive take on the movie. I mean it sounds like you still enjoyed it, right? Jessika: Oh, I liked it. I still liked it. Yeah. Mike: Part of it is just I viewed it at the time when it first came out and this was one of the first animated original movies. And it was the first one that I remember enjoying. So I think that it's definitely tinted my perspective a little bit. Jessika: You had a nostalgia factor that I didn't I hadn't seen it prior. Mike: I remember seeing the reviews for it and I was like, "Oh this looks really cool. The others that were released before that they were all, well two of the three were just straight adaptations of other you know quote unquote iconic stories So there is Superman: Doomsday which was the death and life of Superman and I did not give a shit about that movie. It was really I felt flat. Then there was Justice League: The New Frontier which is based on a really acclaimed mini series. And then there was Batman Gotham Knight which was -if I remember right- it was several different animated shorts and different animated styles. And none of them really did it for me. But the DC Animated Universe, which was helmed by Bruce Timm, so that's like the original Batman animated series from the nineties as well as the Superman series and then Justice League and then Batman Beyond or vice versa and then Justice League Unlimited, those were all incredible. And I knew that eventually we would get to the same point with the animated movies and Wonder Woman felt like that home run that I knew they'd eventually hit. So I really enjoyed the film overall and even watching it yesterday afternoon I had a blast, you know, even a decade later. I think its strongest element is that the movie clearly has zero fucks to give. That battle between the Amazons and Ares is incredibly violent and it's obvious from the first 30 seconds in that this is going to be a RIDE. And it doesn't shy away from some really tough narrative elements like where Hippolyta actually in that battle It's revealed that she kills Thrax, the son of Ares. Thrax is her child who is very heavily implied the product of rape by Jessika: Ares. Mike: Also the vocal cast is just incredible. This was 2009 Keri Russell, Nathan Fillion, Virginia Madsen, Rosario Dawson, Alfred Molina, and then Oliver Platt. They were really well-regarded actors at the time and they're still pretty big and side note Oliver Platt was in both of the movies that we watched for this Jessika: episode. I literally thought of that when you said that. Mike: he fucking steals every scene he's in. He was just this delightful villainous Hades and he's kinda gross but he's also just wonderfully sinister. I really dug that and I also really dug how it felt like a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin while still feeling fresh and fast. Like this movie is not long. That kind of leads into something that I didn't like was that It's a very short movie. It's barely over an hour long. I feel like we needed a director's cut or something because of the lines could have been fleshed out a little bit more like this is something Look Jessika: who wants director's cut now. Mike: Release the Simone cut or something, I don't know. I feel like there were a couple of sub plot lines that were kind of just glossed over. Like I mentioned Thrax is actually Diana's half-brother. I feel like maybe there might've been something more there. Maybe there wasn't, who knows. But it just it felt like something that I would have liked a little more room to breathe. And that's said, it was pretty solid. That said there were some problematic elements. Like Steve was so gross and so cringy Jessika: He kept calling her Angel and I just wanted to punch him in the jaw. Mike: Which, I mean, so that's like a thing from the comics and his other earlier incarnations but this time around it just felt gross. It felt like "babe" and you know blech. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. He just he rolled in and was like "Oh naked ladies I'm in right place for me." Mike: And the problem is that Nathan Fillion was just too good at making him a sleazebag. Jessika: Which, love Nathan Fillion. Mike: I do too. Like, okay dude, we get it. He's kind of a gross misogynist. We don't need him to hit on Diana for the fifth time in as many minutes. Etta Candy viewing Diana as competition was also dumb. Candy's always been one of her best friends and I still think that her incarnation in the original movie was pitch perfect. And then her being this skinny little supermodel who's trying to flirt with Steve was dumb. You mentioned the other problematic misogynistic elements that I noted. the only other thing, and this wasn't an actual problem, was that I didn't realize how much better Wonder woman's costume is these days rather than the super swimsuit that we had for so long. It's funny because growing up with it, I never thought about it. And then really only in the last five years or so we've gotten a much more a

March Movie Madness Part 1 (of 3)! March is National Women’s Month, so -ahead of the Snyder Cut- we’re talking about Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984. What did we like? What would we change? What would we throw out altogether?    Tune in next week for our thoughts on the Snyder Cut! Have questions/comments/concerns? Shoot us an email: tencenttakes@gmail.com ----more---- Transcript of Episode: [00:00:00] Jessika: Do you, you can be, you know what, honestly, you can bitch about Snyder again, Hello, hello and welcome to Ten Cent Takes the podcast where we rip into the comic books and characters you know and love, one issue at a time. My name is Jessica Frazier and I'm joined by my cohost, the Bitchin' Baker Mike Thompson. Mike: Hello.  Jessika: Well, if you're new here, the purpose of this podcast is to take a closer look at comic books and comic related media and how it's affected pop culture and our collective consciousness shaping how we view the world around us. Our topic for today is actually a deep dive into the recent [00:01:00] iterations of the Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 84 films. What do you think Mike?  Mike: I'm excited? Uh, I really, I really enjoyed the first Wonder Woman movie when I saw it in theaters. I haven't seen it since then. So it was really just a fun trip down memory lane to sit and watch it with my partner. And then. Kind of tear it apart a little bit, but yeah, we, you know, the, the Wonder Woman, the Wonder Woman, movies, I think are a bright spot and the DC extended universe. And so I'm genuinely jazzed to talk about it with someone else. Like this is kind of like, based on our, our plans for the next couple of episodes, I guess it's almost like March movie madness.  Jessika: Yeah. I was thinking that I was, I was getting myself very mentally prepared for a lot of. Sitting and watching movies with my dog. So I'm excited. So is he, Carl's stoked.  Mike: What's his favorite movie [00:02:00] snack?  Jessika: You know, he just watches me eat movies, snacks, because he doesn't eat people, food. Whoops. I'm not owner where I'm like stuff feeding my dog eat. This is the reason he does not bag. He's such a good boy. Mike: Yeah. Meanwhile, my dogs are all over me as soon as I'm eating lunch, Jessika:  Your dogs are like tiny spiders. I don't know how they climb up so high.  Mike: I don't know either, man. It's weird. All right. So, uh, you are leading this episode, so let's get started. Jessika:  The thing we like to do each week is talk about one cool thing that you have read or watched recently, like right. You take it away.  Mike: Yeah. So the memorable thing that I have been consuming media wise over the past week or so has been a TV show called Resident Alien, which is a new show on the scifi network. Sarah and I were watching it and it's it's it's okay. At [00:03:00] first it's about this alien who crashed lands on earth, kills a human, takes his form, and then has to assume the identity of a small town doctor. It's kind of a, a sci-fi comedy drama, but it stars Alan Tudyk, who if you've watched over the past 20 years he shows up in and he is, I think one of the most underrated actors, he really is just so wonderful at playing weird roles. And so he plays this character who is an alien, trying to blend in badly with humans in a small town in Colorado. And he is so funny and you watch it and you're. You can understand how people kind of write them off as just, "Oh, this is a guy who is somewhere on the spectrum," but it's based on a comic book from Dark Horse. Um, and so after watching a bunch of these episodes and falling in love with the show, I downloaded it on Hoopla and just started reading it. And it's really solid.  Wow. That's  Jessika: awesome. I actually didn't even realize that that was based [00:04:00] off of a comic.  Mike: I didn't until about three episodes in, and then it said based on the comic book. And so that was when I looked it up.  Jessika: That's so cool. Actually, one of my really good friends has been talking about watching that show. So I guess he's going to be irritated that once again, he wasn't the one to get me to watch the thing, but here we are.  Mike: So how about you? What have you been consuming? Jessika: Well, recently I've been trying to get through another. Watch through of the MCU films. Um, and I've been doing them in timeline, chronilogic-, chronological order, starting with Captain America. So that chronology it's been fun.  Mike: Yeah. So Captain America and then Captain Marvel and then Iron-Man?  Jessika: Yes. Yes.  Mike: Okay. Cool.  Jessika: Proceeding in that order, hadn't realized how many of those films I had missed. When I was first going through them, there are so many of them. So I [00:05:00] started watching just in order, making sure I wasn't missing any of them. Even if people said, Oh, you don't need to watch that one. Okay. No, let me just watch the thing and just make sure, and I was surprised there were a couple of them that I liked more than some of the conversations I had would have led me to believe I would have. So it's been fun. So let's roll into our conversation about our first film, which is Wonder Woman. And I hadn't watched this one. I watched it in theaters as well. I realized, and then hadn't watched it like you until recently until just last night, actually.  Mike: Yeah. So I watched it about two hours before we started to record this episode.  Jessika: You're fucking fresh. You're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super fresh. The bad day. The wound is fresh.  Mike: Yeah.  Jessika: Well, I'll give a quick synopsis before we do each of our films. So this one was released in [00:06:00] 2017. And the film follows the character development of Diana Prince, and we watch her training and growth through her early adolescence in the fabled land at Themiscyra, learning the art of battle from an entire Island of strong, fierce and driven women. All of this is brought to a screeching halt when a world war one fighter pilot breaks through the magical borders of their land, prompting Diana to leave the safety of her home land in order to fight against an ancient, evil, and save mankind from. Themselves. So, Mike, what was your favorite part of the film and what would you like to throw immediately directly into the trash? Mike: Oh, man. Okay.  It's hard to decide what my favorite part is. There's a lot of this movie that I really like, I, I guess I'd have to say it's really the setting, you know, World War One was a really bold narrative choice and I really liked how Patty Jenkins used to frame the [00:07:00] overall story. It's it's a really overlooked period of history, I think, because we just don't usually want to take that hard look at how awful we really were. It was a really excellent contrast to the parts of the movie that are set in them mascara. And by comparison, I kind of like to trash the entire third act. I don't know how you felt about it, but. I don't feel like that third act is nearly as strong as what comes before it. And Patty Jenkins has talked about how Warner brothers I made last minute changes and forced her to do this giant CGI boss battle after she planned for something that she describes as smaller. Um, you know, and, and on top of that, I feel like that third act doesn't offer any real payoff for Diana's party outside of Steve Trevor. So it feels like this very kind of... eh, "fine" conclusion [00:08:00] to a movie that felt really strong otherwise.  Jessika: Yeah. I would absolutely agree with that. Absolutely. And I th the ending was very, for me, very kind of, eh.  Mike: Yeah! I, yeah, and I mean, I was talking to Sarah about this and I said, it felt like when I sit there and I think back about the movie I was sitting there and going, Oh yeah: so they, they have that ball. And then they're at an airport. I can't remember what happens in between and it turns out not much, but it's a very sudden shift and again, it just, it doesn't quite work. So, yeah, that's, uh, that's kind my, my overall feeling about the movie, like what, what about you? Like, what did you really like and not like. Jessika: Well, I found the movie itself, and this is with both of the films. They're just beautiful. They're just, they're such a treat. It's like eating dessert. [00:09:00] And even the gritty parts are very artistically done. They're, they're framed in a way that's that makes all of the characters look very alive and real, but at the same time, almost a, almost a glorification of themselves is how it feels.  So that was very, a very interesting way to, to kind of frame that in my opinion now, for what I would throw directly away is I really wish that they had not focused so much on Diana's infatuation with Steve. Like he legitimately just met this guy, take a breath. I know he's literally the only man you've ever met, but look around and then look in the mirror. I on the other hand, it's just, yeah, I don't know. The women are so fierce too. So I will go back to that. The women are super fierce and I [00:10:00] love how they show such a range of emotions that movies don't usually allow for, for women. And they showed strength and rage and honor, and little girls are usually told that those things are done for them and not by them. Mike: Sarah had a really good. Point of view along the lines of, I don't understand why Diana doesn't go out and just get laid a whole lot. Like what's so special about Steve Trevor. Like, yeah, he's good looking, but, but at the same time, he's the first dude you meet and then suddenly you're surrounded by a plethora of dudes, you know, maybe, maybe treat it like a buffet. Jessika: And I, I feel like it would almost be more true to her upbringing if she did go out and not have a care about, you know, the way she expressed herself, I feel like that would be more authentic to, to how she learned about the pleasures of the flesh as she called them. When she called men obsolete. I just about, I lost my mind, my dog [00:11:00] barked because I was laughing so hard.  Mike: I will give some kudos to Steve. He didn't sit there and react like a douche. He was just, he kind of had this wounded. No, no, we're not obsolete. We're not useless then that was kind of, yeah, but yeah.  Jessika: What was your biggest lesson or takeaway?  Mike: I'm not sure I had a lesson from it. Like I said before, you know, my, my big takeaway was that this was the first time I found myself enjoying any of the DC EU movies that had come out to that point. So I guess my biggest takeaway was that I finally had some hope for the overall film franchise, but there was this tweet that I remember seeing a couple of days later where it was a picture of Carrie Fisher as General Leia and then Robin Wright as Antiope. And it said "I've lived long enough to watch my princesses grow [00:12:00] up to become generals." And I thought that was a really lovely sentiment just to have seen, to have seen the embodiment of all these, these characters became what I wanted them to. Jessika:  Absolutely. And actually that ties very well into what I kind of took away from this, which was. You very well, may be stronger than society would have you believe so. Yeah. Well, let's talk about our, our next fish on the butcher block here. Wonder Woman 84.  Mike: Ah, man, this was, this was a movie that I remember you and I both had feelings about. And I feel like we're going to spend a little bit more time talking about those.  Jessika: Probably. This other one was very like doo doo doo let's jump through the park. You know, there are daisies and strong women I'm there. Um, this, this other one felt [00:13:00] very much more problematic and wow, that's such an, an intro I'm leading us. Aren't I But here we go, ladies and gentlemen and theys. So having just been released in the last couple of months at the tail end of 2020 Wonder Woman 84 is set in current day with Diana Prince bossing it out, being the extremely knowledgeable antiquities expert. She is after the discovery of a wish granting object that falls into the wrong hands and inadvertently makes Diana normal, heavy quotations normal. Our heroine must make the ultimate selfless decision in order to save the world again. So, Mike, what, what are your thoughts on your least on your favorite IC? I just started with the least your favorite and least desirable portions of this film. You [00:14:00] go first. I have opinions. Mike: Man, I really gotta have a cigarette that I can take a drag from when, when I'm having these, these moments of kind of wistful regret. God, like I said, you know, I'm, I'm a lot more conflicted about, about this movie than I was with the first one. I think the best thing about this movie was Kristen Wiig. I, she was just an absolute standout and. That fight scene that they gave her in the White House, uh, where Diana and her are just beating each other's ass. And then Kristen Wiig ends up mopping the floor with her after a little bit. I thought that was just amazing first of all, and second, I thought it was a really good example of what this movie did best, which was the smaller scenes were generally. So, so good. Which contrasts with what my big problem was, [00:15:00] which is that the quote, big moments kind of left me rolling my eyes. Like, you know, it's, it's those moments that were meant to be epic or super emotional. And I can't remember one of them that really worked. Like there's that action sequence in Egypt slash Bialya. Yeah, it's the, it's that big action sequence with the motorcade where it's supposed to be this really cool thing where she's jumping from car to car and moving super fast and chasing things down. And it just, it looks so cheap and there were so many totally obvious green screen moments that just really took me out of it. Um Jessika: Yeah.  Mike: You know, and, and on top of that, there's the, the extra heightened urgency to it, where they have the kids playing soccer and then they get into the street. Right? When this, when this convoy is coming down the road and I just, I couldn't, man, I rolled my eyes so hard. It was so dumb. And then the same thing with Kristen Wiig's heel turn when she [00:16:00] beats up and almost murders, the guy who tried to rape her in the park. And I mean, Sarah and I were both on her side, you know, Sarah actually pointed out that a way more effective heel turn would have been if the homeless guy that she had brought the food to earlier in the movie and who shows up at the end of that scene, and she, she gets really aggro with. But if she had actually just been really dismissive of him, when he tried to say hi to her or something where she had just been like, I don't have time for you. And then there's finally that bit where Steve dies again.  Jessika: Good riddance. Goodbye, Steve.  Mike: Ahh, I, I really like Chris pine too. Jessika: I mean, I do too. Chris pine hit us up beyond this podcast. I'm sure he listens.  Mike: I'm sure, but like that whole sequence where they just, they turn it up to 11 where he sits there and right before she like renounces her wish you hear him go, I'll love you forever. And [00:17:00] there's a lack of subtlety throughout most of this movie that just kind of left me scratching my head and you know, and then there's also just the less, we talk about that final fight between Diana and Barbara, when she looks like a shitty thunder cat. Oh God, I don't know. I, I feel like there were just too many cooks in the kitchen man, because like, the story just feels like it's trying to go in too many directions in any one of them would have been fine, but the movie settles for this messy middle ground instead of filling, committing to any one direction and they just. And they try to make up for that by, by going really intense and it doesn't work. So, yeah, that's my thoughts. Jessika: In the sense of kind of trying to do too much, why do we have two villains? Could we not have, you know, had her kind of evolve at the very end of this film and have [00:18:00] her be in the next film or something, or, you know, have, have something happen or I guess that wouldn't have worked with the whole wish breakdown, but. Is there some way where we didn't have to have a quarter of a story for each of these characters and then Diana making shitty decisions. The rest of it.  Mike: I have thoughts about that, that we can talk about later on, but I mean, there's so many ways that they could have done the cheetah's origin, the, the recent, uh, the recent rebirth Wonder Woman comics that were done by Liam sharp and Greg Rucka. The whole focus is about how Wonder Woman and, and by extension Barbara Minerva's paths are so tangled and so warped by all these red cons and everything. And it's trying to resolve it in a way that that kind of honors all the previous stories, but also explains this new, this new development. And it worked really well. I really liked it a lot, but I mean, The whole thing with making with the [00:19:00] way that they did it, it was okay. But I, I agree. It was, it was too many villains at once. It was the same thing that they did in Spider-Man three with Toby Maguire, where it was like, there are three villains because there's a third movie and you're just kind of whatever  Jessika: Spider-Man learns to shoot webs out of his feet to compensate  Mike: Speedermin. Jessika: Yes. So get Spider-Ham involved.  Mike: Oh man. I would watch that movie.  Jessika: Let's get on that.  Mike: Okay. So like I've already vented my spleen, but like what, how about you? Tell me how you're feeling. Jessika:  Let's I'm going to start easy. I'm not going to jump into the negative right away, although it's bursting to come out. So my favorite part was definitely the very beginning. With a whole stadium full of strong women. I don't think that I can say enough about the fact that we don't get that very often. We don't get to see even a whole scene full [00:20:00] of women very often, let alone that many women let alone women who are competing and supporting each other and fighting and being fierce and being strong. Those aren't things that we get that often. And so I, I started crying the first time I saw this and I, I watched this movie two times when it first came out and I started crying when I first started watching the scene and I was like, well, that's stupid, but it's not, it's not stupid. It's, it's something that we don't get to relate to. And I'm a person who, um, I'm not going to say like, I'm a strong person, but I'm just like, I'm built a little more muscly. You know, I'm a runner. I can lift heavy things. And so to see someone represented that matches my not necessarily physique, but that matches like my motivation to go do those things. Maybe not to that effect like Diana, but in that same sense, it really hits me in a spot that a lot of these floofy princessy things [00:21:00] don't. I'm not a floofy princess. I would love to be a floofy princess. I dress like one sometimes, but ultimately in court they'd be like, you don't fit in that dress. So, and that's okay. We don't all fit in the stupid dress.  Mike: Yeah. So you and I both come from that hearty peasant stock we're meant for working in the fields.  Jessika: Oh yeah. I can, I can pick up a whole mess of oxen. Just pick them up all at once. So let's, let's move into the, Oh my God. I hated this. I hated this so much. So you and I, we talked about this I'm we're going to do it again. So the whole Steve possessing another dude's body it's super gross.  Mike: And the problem is that that really sucked the oxygen out of the room. When we were talking about, about problems with this movie and, and it's something that really felt pointless. There was really no driving reason for that to happen. [00:22:00] And, yeah. Oh please like go out on. Sorry. I cut you off.  No, that's  Jessika: okay. I mean, there could have been so many other ways that, that he came back, quote unquote, but there were consequences to him coming back or, you know, something like that, but it didn't have to be him taking over another person's like faculties, that's not okay. And it's interesting to me that everybody else finds this super gross too, but I think it's, it's interesting because it's, it's because it's a guy there's a ton of outrage about this because it's a man, but this pretty consistently happens to female characters in films and TV and women many times have very little to no agency regarding what happens to them on screen. But we clearly view this as normal. So it really speaks to how our society functions to see the absolute outrage at this male character being treated like any [00:23:00] given female character in our media. Also the bit at the end of the film where Diana kind of gives the unnamed hallmark looking bro, and knowing look like, yeah, with that, it's, it's just gross. He didn't have any say in the matter when the implied sexual acts happened, he was not in control of his body. Nor able to consent. And quite honestly, it reminds me there's a super assist and trigger warning. Everyone. It reminds me of how many, many women's stories of not knowing what exactly happened to them went down. You know, there are so many women who have no idea.  Mike: I mean, because there's that whole aspect where Steve, Trevor, you know, is basically just his, his spirit is just thrust into some random dudes body, but. There's also the bit where it's implied that he just has no memory of anything happening for days. So I think, I think that was just [00:24:00] massively problematic on a number of levels, aside from what you've just mentioned, but just narratively where it's like, what is this dude going through? Where, where he's sitting there with his friends and they're like, Hey, remember that crazy week where nuclear war almost broke out and all he can sit there and say is like, not really. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. I, I really hope that they were trying to make the point that I'm making or the point that I'm feeling about this. But I feel like it's so lost. I feel like we feel the outrage, but we don't, we don't feel the other side of what that outrageous portraying the fact that, that the other side of the world or the other half of the people live that reality. Mike: Well, yeah. You know, back to what I was saying about too many cooks in the kitchen, like this was a story that was written by three different people. There was Patty Jenkins, there was Geoff Johns, and then there is Dave Callaham. This is all armchair quarterbacking. I don't know. I am willing to [00:25:00] bet that that whole Steve getting thrust into someone else's body and then no real follow through on that narrative. I would be willing to bet that that was something that came from either Johns or Callaham. And it just, it was something that they didn't think about because it's not something that dudes think about a lot.  Jessika: Yeah. You don't have to.  Mike: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I can think of at least half a dozen ways that you could have made that work without bringing in that, that whole rapey connotation. Jessika: I agree. Like what if he came back and he wasn't like corporal okay. How interesting would that be? Like, if you just came back like Patrick Swayze ghost style, and they're just like, are you thinking about what I said that they're just like sitting, they're like making pottery.  Mike: Well, and I remember sitting there and watching it when the trailers came out and originally I was thinking, Oh, no, maybe it's just, he's a ghost that's come back. Like, it's probably not going to be a real thing or, or it's a hallucination. [00:26:00] And then they show him, you know, beating ass while they're doing that whole convoy chase. So I had to sit there and go, well, no, I guess he's corporeal. I don't know how they're going to pull this off. And I just, I felt really dissatisfied with, with what they did. I didn't have a problem with him coming back, but I mean, honestly the whole fact that, you know, Wonder Woman reveals that that Diana is a god, why not just bring him back. But the thing is, is that manifesting a body out of nothing, it turns out it takes a lot of energy. And so he is directly draining her divine power. Jessika: That's so much better, honestly, that makes so much more sense. Cause there was actually causing correlations. Yeah. I, this whole Diana feeling bad because at some random dude, just, I mean, with a slick wink at the end is not convincing that that was a detriment to her, you know, she's she didn't have like the whole idea was that. [00:27:00] You were giving up your most precious whatever to get the most precious, whatever, you know, and it's like, that wasn't really what she was doing. She just was using some guy and she really didn't care. I mean, that's the long and the short of it. She did not care.  Mike: And that was whew. That adds a whole other problematic element. Jessika: Yeah, absolutely.  Mike: There are certain characters who. Yeah, we can get the alternate universe versions of them, or they can be mine controlled and turn evil temporarily. But the core character being is that they are these uncorruptable aspirational beings that we all want to use as the proverbial role models. And so there's the characters like, like Superman who is decent and kind Captain America, who always tries to do what's right. Wonder Woman who is supposed to be the embodiment of like kindness. And there's a wonderful speech about how in one of her comics where she's saying like, you know, I [00:28:00] don't, I don't kill if I can wound, I don't wound if I can, I think capture... I can't remember this exactly. And I don't capture if I can use a word instead. That's great. You know, one of her, one of her things is that she can speak the language of all living things. And it's like, there's this, there's this really nurturing quality to her because of all that. And then it's like, Oh, and you know, she, you know, It took away a dude's agency and is totally unapologetic about it. Jessika: Yeah, absolutely. And I, I feel like it came across so much better that first movie, when she really wanted to go help the woman in the trench and, you know, and she was able to speak the language and understand the pain, not only of the language, but she really understood people's pain and what they were going through. She wanted to stop and help everyone, but it didn't feel like she was driven in the same way in the second movie. Even when she was supposed to have like learned her lesson, it didn't feel that way. Well, what was your big takeaway from this film? Did you have [00:29:00] one?  Mike: Ah, I guess, again, it's one of those things where I don't have a lesson that I'm taking away from it so much, but it was just that overcorrection is a definite thing in the DCEU. And they, they did it in Batman vs. Superman, where they were trying to acknowledge and, and sort of hold accountable that, that first Man of Steel movie for like the massive body count from all the destruction of the Kryptonians fighting each other. I feel like they did it again here because it was such a, a different movie. And I don't quite know what they're trying to correct, to be honest, but it just, it felt like they were trying to pivot and then they pivoted too hard.  Jessika: Yeah.  Mike: Yeah. What about you?  Jessika: I would say that I learned that society only gets upset at lack of bodily agency. If it involves controlling a man, that would be my take It's a rough one. Rough, like sandpaper up [00:30:00] like a little kitty cat's tongue.  Mike: Remember when we started this podcast and we thought it was going to be really fun and lighthearted and... Yeah.  Jessika: And we've got 13 pages of notes and just angst.  Mike: The salad days.  Jessika: Oh, you know, the planning phase is always super fun. Well, comparison time we watched two movies. They were... supposed to be in the same vein of movies, one was supposed to roughly follow the other from my understanding. So what was one thing that was similar or did not track it all when the two films were side-by-side or pick one thing that you, that you thought was interesting?  Mike: Yeah. Yeah. So a big thing in both of the movies is that the gods like to mettle with humanity, like. You know, the the first movie it's, it's very blatant about that. You know, Aries is responsible for World War [00:31:00] One, and Diana has to set out to kill him and the war to end all Wars in 1984, it feels like there was supposed to be a big twist or reveal when it's revealed that the dream stone was created by the God of Lies. We get, we get the name of, of the God who I can't remember for the life of me, because it was so one-off and then nothing comes from that. And I feel like there could have been something really cool tying the God of lies and deceit. And I think greed, I think, is what they said to the two things that the eighties was really known for, which was one was the Cold War, but the two was just the incredibly gross commercialization.  Jessika: I thought you were going to say that .Brings us to our first episode. Watch our look, go, go back and listen to our Sunday comics episode, which is episode one. Mike:  Yeah. I feel like that was a really wasted opportunity because nothing came about from that. [00:32:00] And I don't know. I, I also feel like that could have been, that could have been tied to providing Barbara with, you know, a... second opportunity to get back at Diana. I dunno, I did enjoy the whole bit where the, the actual ending to that movie was its own way, a smaller, more personal ending. I liked that, but I feel like, I feel like we needed something as a little bit more of a dramatic reveal as opposed to, oh, the dream stone was created by the gods. Cool. But we got to see her murder, the God of war with lightning.  Jessika: Exactly.  Mike: Yeah. What about you? Like, how do you feel that it compares side-by-side?  Jessika: I thought I would stick with something that I thought was interesting. That was fun between the two that was similar. Okay. Steve and Diana go through a very similar arc of discovering their new world that they've been introduced to. And I didn't really [00:33:00] remember that until I rewatched wonder woman for this iteration last night, I was like, Oh, how funny? Because. Diana comes to new world and she's like, Oh, look at all of these cool things. And she's like, Oh, that's beautiful . Oh, a baby. And she's like looking every single thing. She wants to look at everything. It's all new it's. This is literally the first time she's seen any of these things before. So it's super wholesome. My favorite part of this was when she gets the ice cream. This is so wholesome. She gets the ice cream and she enjoys it so much and she goes back and she says, "you should be very proud." And I just, it was like, you are so sweet. That is amazing. And just, I mean, it's like looking at the world, like through a child's eyes I can imagine. And then Steve, when he first comes in, I mean, obviously he was a, he was a pilot, but he hasn't seen [00:34:00] commercial airlines. He hasn't seen, you know, anything that holds more than probably two or three people. And the first thing he sees is like a huge commercial Boeing fly over him. And it was so cool and him going and finding out about space, travel and going and seeing a rocket. And it just. It was so cool. And seeing that through his eyes in that way was like, wow. Yeah, that is really neat. It's cool. And it makes you appreciate those things like, yeah, I guess ice cream is really cool.  Mike: I, I got to say Chris pine continues to be one of my favorite actors out there and not just because he's super adorable and apparently a very decent human being, but just.  Jessika: I mean, Chris pine hit us up.  Mike: Yeah. He also takes very weird, funny roles a lot of the times that you wouldn't expect. So, uh, if [00:35:00] you have not seen the movie Stretch, I highly recommended because it is one of the most bonkers roles that you will ever see him. If I remember right he, he first appears on camera, parachuting naked? I think? It's been a little while. It's been a little while since I've seen this, but it's directed by, uh, Joe Carnahan. The guy who did, uh, Smokin' Aces, The A-Team, The Grey, uh, he just did a new one called Boss Level that's on Hulu, which is a really fun, strange action movie, which is where he kind of is at his strongest. But Stretch is about this one day that's absolutely insane for this limo driver and it's, it's... I'm not going to call it a good movie, but it's highly enjoyable, at least from my end as I remember it. But yeah. So Chris pine tangent over, sorry, Chris pine is really good at [00:36:00] just being very believable and the wide-eyed wonder that he showed in 84, I thought was so it was just lovely.  Jessika: He's a really good facial actor. Yeah, he's very, very, but like, to your point, he's very believable and his facial acting is so good. Do you remember in Star Trek? When he was in Star Trek?  Mike: Oh, yes, of course. Love those movies.  Jessika: Um, just his face when he concentrates in that movie where he gets all red and it's like, Oh, it's like, Oh, wow. Do you really live in that? You know, it's like he would go on their journey with him because his face is just taking us there. Mike: He kind of reminds me of Chris Hemsworth, um, because he he's really good at being a solid leading man, but he is also really funny when he's allowed to be [00:37:00] like, do you remember in the third one -Star Trek Beyond- where at the very beginning where he's got all the aliens. And you can just see him getting more and more confused as they're asking him why he's delivering this artifact and then getting really fed up. It was, I don't know why, but I still laugh whenever I see that scene. Oh man.  I got to agree with you. I think, I think that whole montage of him rediscovering the world was, was really just delightful. Yeah, it was, it felt special. Yeah.  Jessika: Well, so I have a little bonus category for Oh, Oh, okay. So I, you know, again, I watched wonder woman last night for the umpteenth time and I jotted down just a few, very Diana quotes as I was okay. Mike: My body is ready for this number one.  Jessika: Who will I be if I stay? [00:38:00] That one hit me, I would hit me right in the heart.  Mike: Yeah.  Jessika: Yeah. Second one. I'm the man who can.  Mike: Who was that a Steve line or was that something that  Jessika: She said that, Diana said that . Mike: Really? I totally don't even remember this that's great.  Jessika: It's when she was going into, uh, they were talking about no man's land and he said, there isn't a man who can go there or like there's no man can go there. And she said, I'm the man who can.  Mike: Okay. Yeah, I totally glossed over that, which is really appalling. I mean, arguably the best scene in the movie.  Jessika: I, I literally have chills. It's I'm rethinking about that, that scene. That was sexy. It was sexy as hell. And the third quote, what I do is not up to you.  Mike: That was really good. Jessika: Yes. [00:39:00] So that was, those were my three quotes. They stood out to me. So I wrote them down. Well, let's move on to our category, brain wrinkles. And we like to spend a little time each episode talking about something comic related that just won't budge from our consciousness. Mike, what's been stuck in your noggin, right? Mike: So. We're we're doing these, these episodes, this one, and then the next couple, because the infamous Snyder Cut is launching this week. And, and do you want, do you want me to wait for you to Irish up your tea there?  Jessika: Oh yeah. I'm almost done with my coffee. Oh, good. I have a second one sitting right here.  Mike: But yeah, the, you know, the big thing that people have been focusing on ever since the Snyder Cutcat got announced and it was revealed has been the presence of Darkseid, who is, is basically the DC version of Thanos. [00:40:00] And I'm trying really hard to go into this movie with an open mind, regardless. I keep thinking about Darkseid as the villain that everyone wanted to see on the big screen, but it's really weird to realize that we're probably not going to see the coolest story with him in it, which is called the Great Darkness Saga. And it's from the eighties and it's from the comic book Legion of Superheroes, which does not have the name brand appeal of the Justice League. The whole thing is that Darkseid wakes up after roughly a thousand years of sleep and winds up almost conquering the galaxy. And it's absolutely batshit. It's like he brings back like rever- I think they're called reverse clones or shadow clones of like Superman and if I remember right Wonder Woman, and it's a huge reveal when they actually reveal that halfway through the series or the story of five issues, that Darkseid is the villain who's doing all this. So it was, it was really [00:41:00] fun. And it's, it's that wonderful, weird, crazy space opera sci-fi that we're just not going to see in the current movie environment, because it's so risky to do something like that.  Jessika: But see, that just sounds cool as hell I need. If we, if we can have, if we can have Guardians of the Galaxy, like why can't we have that?  Mike: Yeah. And I think a lot of it is because again, I'm not trying to sound like a Marvel fan boy, but I think right now, the, I think Warner Brothers is very risk-averse for, for all of the financial stuff that's going on behind the scenes with, with AT&T acquiring them recently and the insane amount of debt that's surrounding that whole deal. I think that they are trying to just do surefire hits. You know, if you, if you haven't read The Great Darkness Saga, you can actually go out and pick up a copy, pretty cheap of the collected edition. It's a [00:42:00] lot of fun, but one of the coolest things about it is that the, the epilogue to the story reveals actually that Darkseid wins in a way that's very personal and mean. And I kinda love that that at the time the team was allowed to do something like that. So, yeah, that's, that's, what's been on my brain lately. How about you? Jessika:  I'll have to check that out though. You always give me such good suggestions.  Mike: Oh, well, thank you.  Jessika: So my brain wrinkle and hear me out. Okay. I really liked Iron Man 3.  Mike: I rather enjoyed it.  Jessika: Everyone gives it such crap. Okay. I literally like every time I talked about like, oh, I'm doing a watch through, they were like, Oh, you know how people always have an opinion about like, which movies you can like skip, you know what I mean? So like Iron Man 3 is always one of the ones that people say, Oh, you can [00:43:00] skip that one. But honestly, I rather liked it. And quite frankly, this is, I mean, The main, so the main complaint I've heard about this is that Tony is too traumatized and feely, but like, what do you expect? The guy clearly has, he's been through a ton of shit. He clearly has PTSD and he clearly needs therapy and he's making wearable weapons as an outlet, which by the way, not recommended. I also think this movie is so necessary so that Tony stark overall character arc, otherwise. His final sacrifice and his like, kind of tenderness towards the Spider-Man character. It doesn't make any sense within the story or the character if he just continued with his one note selfish, douchebag tendencies. Mike: Yeah. I really enjoyed that movie for a number of reasons. I personally think it could have used a little bit more editing, but I mean, there was no personal lesson -I [00:44:00] felt- an Iron Man 2. Like Iron Man 2 was a, it's a fun, it's a fun movie, but it was like, cool. Like the end of the day, like. He gets to make out with a girl and, and his best friend has a suit of armor now. And I don't know, was there any more of a lesson other than Mickey Rourke is fun to watch? No matter what kind of terrible Russian accent he's sporting.  Jessika: Other than that, I mean, the movie itself, to me, wasn't very memorable. Mike:  No, I mean, it was fun, but it was just kind of whatever, you know, it was cotton candy. Yeah. Yeah. It was fine in a, in a, in nothing but a complimentary way. The third one, I, I agree. I think, I think like the self-sacrificing nature does actually pay off better because of that. And also I thought Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin and then the twist with him as the Mandarin was one of the funniest fucking things I'd seen in a long time. Jessika: One of my friends was very irritated at that and [00:45:00] almost walked out of the theater because the Mandarin is one of his favorite characters. And so when he figured out that it was this whole spoof, he got, he took it very personally, apparently. So which I just personally, I mean, I, I think it's very funny. I can understand you wanting to see your favorite characters represented, but we have to understand that, like you're not the writer. We're not the writer. Like we can sit here and bitch about it, but ultimately, like we don't have writing privileges. And so we just have to go on the ride that they take us on. And to a certain extent, that's just what we have to do as the audience. And I understand that we are going to have feelings and that's that, you know what that means. That means that they've done well. That means that they've, they've been compelling and that they've made us, they've made a spot in our hearts. But it's not something we should be able to take personally, or that we need to, in my opinion, I mean, I don't do it. Do what you want.  Mike: You know, the other thing is like they, they did all those [00:46:00] Marvel shorts as well. Do you remember those, like where you would get them in the DVDs and there'd be like a little five minute film or whatever. So I can't remember which one it was, but it was revealed that the Mandarin was. Was then being broken out of jail so that he could be brought to face the real Mandarin. And then they've never done anything with that, but they're also doing, uh, the new Shang-Chi movie, which Shane, she is this Bruce Lee style figure. The movie title is called Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Which goes back to the terrorist organization, the Ten Rings. And then the whole thing with the Mandarin is that in the comic books, he has 10 rings of power, which originally they're supposed to be magic rings, and then they've been retconned. So they're an artificial intelligent rings that manipulate reality, or they're, they're kind of like lesser infinity stones if I remember. Right.  Jessika: But it's not the same kind of thing that, that Dr. Strange is [00:47:00] working with right? It's not that whole like mystic circle sitch.  Mike: Uh, I don't think so, but who knows with where they're going to take the Marvel with, you know, the MCU is spinning stuff on its head in certain ways. And yeah, and I, you know, we're just along for the ride, it's going to be really interesting to see what they do, but in the original iron man movie, the terrorist organization that winds up forcing Tony Stark to theoretically build weapons for them and what he uses to build the armor. Instead, they are called the Ten Rings. And the Mandarin is, is actually a long running iron man villain -kind of problematic because he's relatively racist in a lot of ways or a racist caricature- but it'll be really interesting to see what they do with that. And I'm kind of hoping that we get some cameo of Ben Kingsley just like chained up, like, you know, princess Leia style with Jaba the Hutt or something like that when the Mandarin theoretically appears in Shang-Chi. So who knows.  [00:48:00] Jessika: Yeah.  Mike: Yeah.  Jessika: Well, thanks for listening to Ten Cent Takes. This episode was hosted by Jessica Frazier and Mike Thompson written by Jessica Frazier and edited by Mike Thompson. Our intro theme was written and performed by Jared Emerson-Johnson of Bay Area Sound. Our credits music is "Pursuit of Life" by Evan McDonald and was purchased with a standard license from Premium Beat. Mike: If you'd like to get in touch with us, ask us questions or tell us how we got something wrong. Please head over to tencenttakes dot com or shoot an email to tencenttakes at gmail dot com. You can also find us on Twitter. The official podcast account is tencenttakes -all one word. Jessika is Jessica with a K and the Jessica has a K in it as well. And then I am vansau: V-A-N-S-A-U [00:49:00] Jessika: Stay safe out there  Mike: And support your local comic shop.

Diana, princess of Themiscyra, must track down and defeat a professor of wizardry through his bloody trail of werewolf bites and... Oh, come again? That's the wrong David Thewlis character? Whoops. Well, don't lie, you would totally watch that movie. Wow, we really love this movie. Despite some people claiming it to be a mere recycling of Captain America: The First Avenger, it was and still is a hugely refreshing installment for the superhero genre of film. Especially that No Man's Land scene, which is just the epitome of superhero badassery. Be sure to leave a review if you feel so compelled! Welcome to Season 2, fellow seekers of cinema.

This week Dem Boyz visited Themiscyra and brought back the Wonder Woman 1984 review!!! ⚠️WARNING⚠️ this episode is full of spoilers‼️‼️ if you haven't watched the movie yet proceed with caution

On the Shelf for July 2019 The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 113 with Heather Rose Jones Your monthly update on what the Lesbian Historic Motif Project has been doing. In this episode we talk about: Call for submissions for the 2020 LHMP audio short story series. See here for details. Call for submissions for Bi Bookish Babe's anthology of stories about lgbtq+ women in history. See here for details. Recent and upcoming publications covered on the blogEhrenhalt, Lizzie and Tilly Laskey (eds). 2019. Precious and Adored: The Love Letters of Rose Cleveland and Evangeline Simpson Whipple, 1890-1918. Minnesota Historical Society Press, St. Paul. ISBN 978-1-68134-129-3 Abbouchi, Mounawar. 2018. “Yde and Olive” in Medieval Feminist Forum: A Journal of Gender and Sexuality, vol 8. Roos, Lena. 2017. “Cross-dressing among medieval Ashkenazi Jews: Confirming challenged group borders” in Nordisk judaistik / Scandinavian Jewish Studies vol 28 no. 2. 4-22 Blud, Victoria. 2017. The Unspeakable, Gender and Sexuality in Medieval Literature 1000-1400. D.S. Brewer, Cambridge. ISBN 978-1-84384-468-6 Morrison, Susan Signe. 2017. A Medieval Woman's Companion. Oxbow Books, Oxford. ISBN 978-1-78570-079-8 Lowerre, Sandra. 2004. “To Rise Beyond Their Sex: Female Cross-Dressing Saints in Caxton's Vitas Patrum” in Thomas Honegger (ed). Riddles, Knights and Cross-dressing Saints: Essays on Medieval English Language and Literature. Peter Lang, Bern. ISBN 3-03910-392-X Book Shopping for the blogNikolas Choniatus Trans and Genderqueer Subjects in Medieval Hagiography: Trans & Genderqueer Studies Terminology, Language, and Usage Guide [pre-print version] "How far did medieval society recognize lesbianism in this period?" by Catherine Tideswell This month's author guest is K.J. Charles This month's essay topic is: Singlewomen and what they suggest about lesbian possibilities New and forthcoming fictionAmazons: The Sanctuary of Themiscyra by Leïla Hedyth 20 Hours to Charles Town: Madame Elvira's Magnificent Excursions by Charlotte Henley Babb Between Boat and Shore by Rhiannon Grant (Manifold Press) The Women of Dauphine by Deb Jannerson (NineStar Press) The Tattooed Witch by Jules Landry In My Heart by Bette Hawkins (Bella Books) Delayed Rays of a Star: A Novel by Amanda Lee Koe (Nan A. Talese) Secrets Well Kept by Lynn Ames (Phoenix Rising Press) The Haunting of Heatherhurst Hall by Sebastian Nothwell The Vampire's Relic: A Gothic Paranormal Romance (Read by Candlelight Book 5) by Gillian St. Kevern A transcript of this podcast is available here. Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/ Twitter: @LesbianMotif Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon Links to Heather Online Website: http://alpennia.com Email: Heather Rose Jones Twitter: @heatherosejones Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)

That's right, this episode we dive into the mythology woven throughout the origin and adventures of Wonder Woman! From her creation by William Moulton Marston to classic Wonder Woman villains, we explore the Greek and Roman mythological roots of Diana, Princess of Themiscyra. Plus our round of Nerd News: Alex (SO much news out of DC Fandome): https://variety.com/2020/film/news/dc-fandome-every-trailer-batman-snyder-cut-1234745688/ Katie (Minneapolis bridge lit up in memorial of Chadwick Boseman): https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/lowry-avenue-bridge-lit-purple-in-honor-of-late-black-panther-star-chadwick-boseman/5844143/ As always, please like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/squabblingsquibs And follow us on Twitter: @squibsquabbles This podcast is hosted by ZenCast.fm

Join Me and my new Super Friend Shannon Farnon as we talk about life, her career and of course the honor of being the fist voice of an animated Wonder WomanWhat was Larry Hagman like? how was Dragnet shot? How do you put a voice to the Amazonian Woman from Themiscyra? Find out these answers and more in this Wonderful episode! Be sure to subscribe to her Youtube page, "Shannon Farnon Original Wonder Woman" for more Shannon high jinks.   links to mention: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8syTZogwNpqnJTTxukb_dQ https://www.surgeofpower.org/ https://electronicmediacollective.com/ https://www.facebook.com/shannon.farnon.5 https://twitter.com/ShannonFarnonWW https://twitter.com/EMCPodNetwork https://twitter.com/MooseMediainc

On the Shelf for July 2019 The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 36a with Heather Rose Jones Your monthly update on what the Lesbian Historic Motif Project has been doing. In this episode we talk about: Call for submissions for the 2020 LHMP audio short story series. See here for details. Call for submissions for Bi Bookish Babe's anthology of stories about lgbtq+ women in history. See here for details. Recent and upcoming publications covered on the blogEhrenhalt, Lizzie and Tilly Laskey (eds). 2019. Precious and Adored: The Love Letters of Rose Cleveland and Evangeline Simpson Whipple, 1890- 1918. Minnesota Historical Society Press, St. Paul. ISBN 978-1-68134-129- 3 Abbouchi, Mounawar. 2018. “Yde and Olive” in Medieval Feminist Forum: A Journal of Gender and Sexuality, vol 8. Roos, Lena. 2017. “Cross-dressing among medieval Ashkenazi Jews: Confirming challenged group borders” in Nordisk judaistik / Scandinavian Jewish Studies vol 28 no. 2. 4-22 Blud, Victoria. 2017. The Unspeakable, Gender and Sexuality in Medieval Literature 1000-1400. D.S. Brewer, Cambridge. ISBN 978-1- 84384-468-6 Morrison, Susan Signe. 2017. A Medieval Woman's Companion. Oxbow Books, Oxford. ISBN 978-1-78570-079-8 Lowerre, Sandra. 2004. “To Rise Beyond Their Sex: Female Cross-Dressing Saints in Caxton’s Vitas Patrum” in Thomas Honegger (ed). Riddles, Knights and Cross-dressing Saints: Essays on Medieval English Language and Literature. Peter Lang, Bern. ISBN 3-03910-392-X Nikolas Choniatus Trans and Genderqueer Subjects in Medieval Hagiography: Trans & Genderqueer Studies Terminology, Language, and Usage Guide [pre-print version] "How far did medieval society recognize lesbianism in this period?" by Catherine Tideswell Announcing this month’s author guest, K.J. Charles New and forthcoming fictionAmazons: The Sanctuary of Themiscyra by Leïla Hedyth 20 Hours to Charles Town: Madame Elvira's Magnificent Excursions by Charlotte Henley Babb Between Boat and Shore by Rhiannon Grant (Manifold Press) The Women of Dauphine by Deb Jannerson (NineStar Press) The Tattooed Witch by Jules Landry In My Heart by Bette Hawkins (Bella Books) Delayed Rays of a Star: A Novel by Amanda Lee Koe (Nan A. Talese) Secrets Well Kept by Lynn Ames (Phoenix Rising Press) The Haunting of Heatherhurst Hall by Sebastian Nothwell The Vampire's Relic: A Gothic Paranormal Romance (Read by Candlelight Book 5) by Gillian St. Kevern A transcript of this podcast is available here. Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/ Links to Heather Online Website: http://alpennia.com Email: Heather Rose Jones Twitter: @heatherosejones Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page) If you enjoy this podcast and others at The Lesbian Talk Show, please consider supporting the show through Patreon: The Lesbian Talk Show Patreon The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon

Fonseca talks with Gil Gerard American actor, most notable for his role as Captain William "Buck" Rogers in the 1979–81 television series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. (try not to laugh to hard!) AMV tells us "THE BEST FEMALE" Superheroes Of All Time With Captain Marvel still lighting up the box office, there's no question studios are looking to put female superheroes front and center. With that in mind, we're looking back at the best of the best - the most powerful, coolest, all around best superheroines of all time. Supergirl Supergirl may have started out as a spin-off character from Superman, but for many fans, she's become so much more than that. DC's Maid of Might represents a certain element of femininity that is often glossed over in fiction – the balance of girlish glee and emotional exploration with confidence and physical power. Too often female characters must be one or the other, ultra-feminine or super-powerful, but Supergirl - who possesses all the strength of her cousin Superman while facing all the issues of a young woman - is at her best when writers strike a true balance between both sides of that coin, letting her be a real Supergirl. That dynamic plays an important role in the CW's Supergirl, a show that places a slightly older Kara in the central role and embraces her femininity without shying away from her ability to kick ass. Black Widow Black Widow has been around as a character since the 1960's, but it's only recently that she's become a particularly prominent heroine in the Marvel Universe, thanks in large part to her role as a founding member of the cinematic Avengers. But the fact that her recent success has mostly been due to her onscreen adventures doesn't discount her role in comic books, either. Though she started out as a villain, it wasn't long before Black Widow became an Avenger, a career she's balanced with her black ops work alongside S.H.I.E.L.D. and on her own, even leading the team for a time. Black Widow is finally getting her own solo film in the MCU as well, with a director having just come on board. She-Hulk To some, She-Hulk is the ultimate expression of feminine power. She's indestructible, super-strong, and without inhibition – all of this with the mind of a high-powered attorney wrapped inside those unparalleled green muscles. And while she may seem like a typical spin-off character (obviously riffing on her somewhat more famous cousin Bruce Banner), She-Hulk takes the concept of a gamma-irradiated hero to a totally different level, embracing her alter ego and living life to the fullest. In some ways, She-Hulk also broke other boundaries – her John Byrne-penned ongoing series introduced an indestructible, fourth-wall-breaking hero with a sense of humor years before Deadpool grew a similar schtick. She-Hulk was Deadpool before there even was a Deadpool. She-Hulk is now a core member of the recently relaunched Avengers Wasp Janet Van Dyne was not only the first female Avenger, and a founder, but also the hero who named the team when they first formed. Though she started out as something of a sidekick to her on-again-off-again (currently off-again) paramour Hank Pym, Janet quickly became a hero in her own right, leading the Avengers several times, and often acting as the team's moral center. When crafting this list, it came down to putting either Wasp or Captain Marvel in this spot. And while Captain Marvel may be more prominent now, her trajectory has been spotty, taking her from being a damsel in distress, to a perpetual victim, to leading the Avengers and her own intergalactic defense team, while Wasp's arc has been far more consistent. Add to that her historical significance, and it's easy to see why she's one of the greatest female heroes ever to grace the printed page. And while viewers got a glimpse of Janet Van Dyne in action in Ant-Man, she took on a much larger role in the sequel Ant-Man and the Wasp - in which her MCU daughter Hope Van Dyne took on the mantle of the winsome Wasp. Jean Grey 6 of 12 Jean Grey was the first X-Woman, and even bore the name of her publishing company as Marvel Girl before transitioning to her Phoenix identity in the 1970's. But she's more than just the first female mutant superhero – she's also emblematic of the entire X-Men franchise, and one of the most complex, well-developed characters in comic books. She may have started out in the typical Marvel superheroine model, but later adventures saw Jean develop a level of depth that many ensemble cast members never achieve. Between her ever developing relationship with Scott Summers, her vast and terrifying power levels, her descent into madness as the Dark Phoenix, and her penchant for self-sacrifice and redemption, Jean experienced more in her tenure as a hero than almost anyone. Of course, the Phoenix always rises from the ashes, and a newly returned Jean Grey now leads her own team in X-Men: Red. Batgirl Barbara Gordon is unique among female heroes, and superheroes in general, for having not one but two vastly different and very successful superhero careers. Barbara started out as Batgirl, using her wits, her incredible intelligence, and her physical capabilities to earn Batman's trust as an ally and protégé. However, after years of fighting crime on the streets of Gotham, a violent encounter with the Joker left her paralyzed – but not deterred. Though her physical challenges sometimes (not always) kept her off the streets, Barbara turned to her intelligence to make a difference. Taking on the mantle of Oracle, Barbara became the information hub for Batman's entire network and lead the all-female superhero team the Birds of Prey. Now she's back in action as Batgirl, her injuries having finally been reversed. Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is just about the most powerful woman in the Marvel Universe, and is arguably the publisher's top female hero. With cosmic powers, a background as a fighter pilot, a high profile movie, and that crucial Avengers membership, she's everything great about superheroes wrapped up in one sleek package. It's no wonder the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe will likely put Carol front and center, as one of the pillars of the most popular superhero brand in the world. Storm Storm started as the X-Men's ingénue, a young heroine who was one of the rookie mutants recruited when the original team went missing. Alongside other X-Men mainstays like Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, Storm rose through the ranks becoming not just a seasoned hero, but a mentor to her fellow mutants, and now serves as the Headmistress of Xavier's school, and the leader of the X-Men. Storm is also the first major female hero of color – a distinction that shouldn't be overlooked, especially considering how important she's remained in both X-Men and Marvel lore. Fans saw a new side of Storm when Alexandra Shipp took over the role of a younger version of the character in 2016' X-Men: Apocalypse, a role she's set to reprise in the film's sequel Dark Phoenix. Invisible Woman Marvel's first superheroine may not have the highest profile of the characters on this list, but Sue Storm set the pace for modern female heroes – and still occupies a fairly unique place in comic books. While its true that early stories didn't exactly serve Sue particularly well, she developed into the heart and soul of the Fantastic Four, serving as Marvel's first family's de facto – and literal – mother. And that may be one of the most crucial aspects of her character. While Sue Storm is powerful in her own right – many writers have said she's got the most raw power of anyone on the FF – she also represents an important aspect of womanhood that many female heroes have sacrificed or had used against them – motherhood. That Sue can serve as one of the most respected heroes in the Marvel Universe (and it's first female hero) while simultaneously raising two children and shepherding the growth of many more through the Future Foundation can't be understated. Plus, it takes a pretty amazing woman to stand up to a blowhard like Reed Richards. Wonder Woman Diana of Themiscyra represents the best of mankind, and of womanhood. Strong, compassionate, fearless, and independent, as Wonder Woman Diana is a pillar of the Justice League and one of the greatest heroes and warriors in the entire DC Universe. And though her real world origins are complex, William Moulton Marston and his collaborators Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne created an equally complex character who would grow to become a feminist icon and the character that almost anyone in the world thinks of when you say “female superhero.

Fonseca talks with Gil Gerard American actor, most notable for his role as Captain William "Buck" Rogers in the 1979–81 television series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. (try not to laugh to hard!) AMV tells us "THE BEST FEMALE" Superheroes Of All Time With Captain Marvel still lighting up the box office, there's no question studios are looking to put female superheroes front and center. With that in mind, we're looking back at the best of the best - the most powerful, coolest, all around best superheroines of all time. Supergirl Supergirl may have started out as a spin-off character from Superman, but for many fans, she’s become so much more than that. DC’s Maid of Might represents a certain element of femininity that is often glossed over in fiction – the balance of girlish glee and emotional exploration with confidence and physical power. Too often female characters must be one or the other, ultra-feminine or super-powerful, but Supergirl - who possesses all the strength of her cousin Superman while facing all the issues of a young woman - is at her best when writers strike a true balance between both sides of that coin, letting her be a real Supergirl. That dynamic plays an important role in the CW’s Supergirl, a show that places a slightly older Kara in the central role and embraces her femininity without shying away from her ability to kick ass. Black Widow Black Widow has been around as a character since the 1960’s, but it’s only recently that she’s become a particularly prominent heroine in the Marvel Universe, thanks in large part to her role as a founding member of the cinematic Avengers. But the fact that her recent success has mostly been due to her onscreen adventures doesn’t discount her role in comic books, either. Though she started out as a villain, it wasn’t long before Black Widow became an Avenger, a career she’s balanced with her black ops work alongside S.H.I.E.L.D. and on her own, even leading the team for a time. Black Widow is finally getting her own solo film in the MCU as well, with a director having just come on board. She-Hulk To some, She-Hulk is the ultimate expression of feminine power. She’s indestructible, super-strong, and without inhibition – all of this with the mind of a high-powered attorney wrapped inside those unparalleled green muscles. And while she may seem like a typical spin-off character (obviously riffing on her somewhat more famous cousin Bruce Banner), She-Hulk takes the concept of a gamma-irradiated hero to a totally different level, embracing her alter ego and living life to the fullest. In some ways, She-Hulk also broke other boundaries – her John Byrne-penned ongoing series introduced an indestructible, fourth-wall-breaking hero with a sense of humor years before Deadpool grew a similar schtick. She-Hulk was Deadpool before there even was a Deadpool. She-Hulk is now a core member of the recently relaunched Avengers Wasp Janet Van Dyne was not only the first female Avenger, and a founder, but also the hero who named the team when they first formed. Though she started out as something of a sidekick to her on-again-off-again (currently off-again) paramour Hank Pym, Janet quickly became a hero in her own right, leading the Avengers several times, and often acting as the team’s moral center. When crafting this list, it came down to putting either Wasp or Captain Marvel in this spot. And while Captain Marvel may be more prominent now, her trajectory has been spotty, taking her from being a damsel in distress, to a perpetual victim, to leading the Avengers and her own intergalactic defense team, while Wasp’s arc has been far more consistent. Add to that her historical significance, and it’s easy to see why she’s one of the greatest female heroes ever to grace the printed page. And while viewers got a glimpse of Janet Van Dyne in action in Ant-Man, she took on a much larger role in the sequel Ant-Man and the Wasp - in which her MCU daughter Hope Van Dyne took on the mantle of the winsome Wasp. Jean Grey 6 of 12 Jean Grey was the first X-Woman, and even bore the name of her publishing company as Marvel Girl before transitioning to her Phoenix identity in the 1970’s. But she’s more than just the first female mutant superhero – she’s also emblematic of the entire X-Men franchise, and one of the most complex, well-developed characters in comic books. She may have started out in the typical Marvel superheroine model, but later adventures saw Jean develop a level of depth that many ensemble cast members never achieve. Between her ever developing relationship with Scott Summers, her vast and terrifying power levels, her descent into madness as the Dark Phoenix, and her penchant for self-sacrifice and redemption, Jean experienced more in her tenure as a hero than almost anyone. Of course, the Phoenix always rises from the ashes, and a newly returned Jean Grey now leads her own team in X-Men: Red. Batgirl Barbara Gordon is unique among female heroes, and superheroes in general, for having not one but two vastly different and very successful superhero careers. Barbara started out as Batgirl, using her wits, her incredible intelligence, and her physical capabilities to earn Batman’s trust as an ally and protégé. However, after years of fighting crime on the streets of Gotham, a violent encounter with the Joker left her paralyzed – but not deterred. Though her physical challenges sometimes (not always) kept her off the streets, Barbara turned to her intelligence to make a difference. Taking on the mantle of Oracle, Barbara became the information hub for Batman’s entire network and lead the all-female superhero team the Birds of Prey. Now she’s back in action as Batgirl, her injuries having finally been reversed. Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is just about the most powerful woman in the Marvel Universe, and is arguably the publisher's top female hero. With cosmic powers, a background as a fighter pilot, a high profile movie, and that crucial Avengers membership, she's everything great about superheroes wrapped up in one sleek package. It's no wonder the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe will likely put Carol front and center, as one of the pillars of the most popular superhero brand in the world. Storm Storm started as the X-Men’s ingénue, a young heroine who was one of the rookie mutants recruited when the original team went missing. Alongside other X-Men mainstays like Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, Storm rose through the ranks becoming not just a seasoned hero, but a mentor to her fellow mutants, and now serves as the Headmistress of Xavier’s school, and the leader of the X-Men. Storm is also the first major female hero of color – a distinction that shouldn’t be overlooked, especially considering how important she’s remained in both X-Men and Marvel lore. Fans saw a new side of Storm when Alexandra Shipp took over the role of a younger version of the character in 2016' X-Men: Apocalypse, a role she's set to reprise in the film's sequel Dark Phoenix. Invisible Woman Marvel’s first superheroine may not have the highest profile of the characters on this list, but Sue Storm set the pace for modern female heroes – and still occupies a fairly unique place in comic books. While its true that early stories didn’t exactly serve Sue particularly well, she developed into the heart and soul of the Fantastic Four, serving as Marvel’s first family’s de facto – and literal – mother. And that may be one of the most crucial aspects of her character. While Sue Storm is powerful in her own right – many writers have said she’s got the most raw power of anyone on the FF – she also represents an important aspect of womanhood that many female heroes have sacrificed or had used against them – motherhood. That Sue can serve as one of the most respected heroes in the Marvel Universe (and it’s first female hero) while simultaneously raising two children and shepherding the growth of many more through the Future Foundation can’t be understated. Plus, it takes a pretty amazing woman to stand up to a blowhard like Reed Richards. Wonder Woman Diana of Themiscyra represents the best of mankind, and of womanhood. Strong, compassionate, fearless, and independent, as Wonder Woman Diana is a pillar of the Justice League and one of the greatest heroes and warriors in the entire DC Universe. And though her real world origins are complex, William Moulton Marston and his collaborators Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne created an equally complex character who would grow to become a feminist icon and the character that almost anyone in the world thinks of when you say “female superhero.

Jean Grey of the United States Army has woken up on the mysterious island of Themiscyra. Will she be able to get back to save her comrades in arms or will she leave them behind for Diana, princess of the Amazons?

It's a Woke Bae Wednesday Miracle in Kelly & Molly's recap of Alias Grace, Part 3! The gals uncover the true meaning of the classic hymn "Rock of Ages", plan a podcast field trip to Themiscyra, discuss Artemisia Gentileschi and topics too hot for the Old Testament, lament Grace's critical thinking skills, tell Dr. Jordan to put on his fuckbonnet, identify the Hugh Hefner of rural Canada, encourage male listeners to not have weird fantasies about smelling women, and remind everyone that dead men tell no ghost stories. As always, rate/review us on iTunes, and please recommend us to the Mary Whitney in your life! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Con la calor apetece un bañito así que con nuestro bronceador y toalla al hombro, hemos aterrizado con La Excelsior en las playas de Themiscyra. Al día de playa se ha sumado Tony Mula, colaborador en la distancia que hacia tiempo que no nos visitaba, y nos ayuda con el análisis de Wonder Woman... ...UN PODCAST DESDE THEMISCYRA!! SKETCH [00:00:00] "ESCÚCHAME, COMPRÉNDELO...SI PUEDES" ¡¡¡EL RETORNO DE BATMELA!!! NOVEDADES DESTACADAS [00:19:06] BATMAN MOLA MÁS QUE TÚ INCREIBLE HULK DE JOHN BYRNE (COLECCIÓN 100% MARVEL HC) MARVEL HEROES: SENSACIONAL HULKA DE JOHN BYRNE HELLBLAZER #1 (UNIVERSO DC RENACIMIENTO) EL ARTE DE BERNET CON PELOS Y SEÑALES [00:36:25] BRIGGS LAND (BRIAN WOOD) DAREDEVIL EL HOMBRE SIN MIEDO (FRANK MILLER) HULK FUTURO IMPERFECTO (PETER DAVID) LA TERTULIA [01:23:37] WONDER WOMAN MINUTO DE ORO [02:37:16] Contacto: latrastiendaradio@gmail.com Síguenos en: blog: http://latrastiendaradio.blogspot.com.es twitter: @latrastiendaRB También puedes escucharnos por: RADIO BATTLETOADS http://radiobattletoads.com/podcasts/LaTrastiendaRadio (Viernes a partir de las 17:30)

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The Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Director Stargate Pioneer, Agent Haley, and Agent Lauren discuss the Legion episode “Chapter 2.”   THIS TIME ON LEGENDS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.:   Legion “Chapter 2” Weekly Marvel News Feedback   LEGION “CHAPTER 2” [02:25]   CHAPTER 1   Chapter 2 aired February 15th, 2017 on FX and earned a 1.13 rating. Legion was renewed for a second season on March 15th, 2017.   Directed By: Michael Uppendahl http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0881461/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1#director 19 Credits Going Back to 2003 4 x Becker 1 x Weeds 1 x Longmire 2 x Glee 1 x The Walking Dead 11 x Mad Men 9 x American horror Story 1 x Daredevil 1 x Fear The Walking Dead 5 x Fargo 3 x Legion - Chapter 2 (2017) - Chapter 3 (2017) - Chapter 8 (2017) PRODUCER FOR: Legion   Written By: Noah Hawley http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1279638/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1#writer 6 credits since 2005 6 x Bones 3 x The Unusuals 2 x My Generation 23 x Fargo YEA - He’s the “Showrunner”   “Chapter 2” Meaning of Chapter 2   Summerland - The Place That Didn’t Really Exist - Chased by Division 3 and “The Eye” - David is de-toxing - Telepath and Telekinetic - Melanie helps guide David out of the fog   Memory Work - You are not sick - you are powerful - Re-write the story of your life - Memory Block   Field With Amy - Dog is there: “King”   In Garden/House With Mom - Upstate, in the country - Dad is….an astronomer? - The World’s Angriest Boy Book   Psychologist Office - Tape Recorder - Girlfriend trouble (Philly) - The Vapor - Lenny and the stove - The Greek - REWIND -- Jump/Glich/Time jump  to lightning -- REWIND x 2: Kitchen incident with stuff flying -- Mind Block - Seeing another world out of the corner of his eye - Are the pills helping? - Started at 10 or 11 - Stars talk to him - Dr. Poole Closes closet door   First Time IS Always The Worst - Milk Helps - Talk Work With Dr. Melanie Bird - David Is The Key - Ptonomy remembers everything - What about the book?   Swingset - Bodyswap - Syd killed Lenny   The Scan Machine - Cary Loudermilk - Extremely large amygdala - Map where David’s memories are stored - David senses Amy at Clockworks - The Devil With Yellow Eyes /teleport of the scan machine to the garden   Amy In Sitting Room - Relationships   The Blue Vapor - Stove For Drugs - Altered Reality - Frog Humidifier - Lenny as “The Devil With Yellow Eyes”   Bench By The Lake - Syd - Are we safe? - David hear’s Syd’s Thoughts   Clockworks - Repair work - David sees Amy looking for him - Division 3 kidnaps Amy   David tries to leave - Do the work - Amy is bait - Voice controlled elevator   Amy Interrogated - Shall We Begin - “The Eye”     Main Cast: Dan Stevens - as - David Haller (The Tomorrow People, Downton Abbey, Sense & Sensibility)   Rachel Keller- as - Sydney "Syd" Barrett (Mentalist, Supernatural, Fargo)   Aubrey Plaza - as - Lenny Busker (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Troopers, Parks and Recreation, Portlandia, The Legend Of Korra)   Bill Irwin - as - Cary Loudermilk (Popeye [1980], Sesame Street, Lights Out, Sleepy Hollow, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit)   Jeremie Harris - as - Ptonomy Wallace (Person Of Interest, The Get Down)   Amber Midthunder - as - Kerry Loudermilk (Banshee, Longmire)   Katie Aselton - as - Amy Haller (The Office, Revolution, The League)   Jean Smart - as - Melanie Bird (Designing Women, Frasier, The District, 24, Kim Possible, Samatha Who, $#*! My Dad Says, Hawaii Five-0 , Fargo)   Recurring Cast Hamish Linklater as Clark (Gideon’s Crossing, The New Adventures of Old Christine, Battleship, The Newsroom, Fargo)   David Selby as Brubaker (Dark Shadows, The Waltons, Kojak, Raise the Titanic, D3: The Mighty Ducks, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Part 1 and Part 2)   Ellie Araiza as Philly   Brad Mann as Rudy (Smallville, Battlestar Galactica, The 4400, Revolution, Almost Human, Supernatural, Fargo)   Quinton Boisclair as the Devil with the Yellow Eyes   Mackenzie Gray as Walter / The Eye (La Femme Nikita, The Outer Limits, Andromeda, Action Man, Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century, Stargate: Infinity, Supernatural, Human Target, Smallville, Iron Man: Armored Adventures, Fringe, Once Upon A Time, Man Of Steel, Fargo, Legends Of Tomorrow, Warcraft: The Beginning, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic)   Scott Lawrence as Henry Poole (Murder She Wrote, Newhart, L.A. Law, Murphy Brown, Quantum Leap, Timecop, Star Trek: Voyager, Touched by an Angel, The West Wing, JAG, Bones, ER, Avatar, The Social Network, Sons of Anarchy, Star Trek Into Darkness, Fear the Walking Dead)   Devyn Dalton as the Angry Boy (STUNTWOMAN, Supernatural, War for the Planet of the Apes)   Jemaine Clement as Oliver Bird (Flight of the Conchords, Despicable Me, Men in Black 3, The LEGO Batman Movie)   NEWS [32:03]   INHUMANS   Inhumans trailer & Lockjaw clip leaked http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/06/13/marvels-the-inhumans-trailer-hits-the-web/   SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING   Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal confirm Venom & Black Cat movie in same universe as Spider-Man Homecoming https://twitter.com/tomhupdates/status/876437504903323648   X-MEN   First Deadpool 2 Set Photo spoofs Spider-Man Homecoming http://screenrant.com/deadpool-2-image-x-men-mansion/   AWWWWWW/COOL STUFF   Jack Kirby to be honored as Disney Legend at D23 Expo http://www.cbr.com/jack-kirby-disney-legend/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista   FEEDBACK [36:25]   TWITTER   https://twitter.com/MrParacletes/status/876476573792296960 Dr. Gnome to you‏ @MrParacletes Dr. Gnome to you Retweeted Corey Morgan @LegendsofSHIELD Dr. Gnome to you added, Corey Morgan @TheCorey291 My daughter Noelle,16 year old Engineering genius cosplaying as 15 year old engineering genius Riri Williams @BRIANMBENDIS, @BlackGirlNerds 11:27 AM - 18 Jun 2017   https://twitter.com/andiminga/status/875807801460891648  andiminga‏ @andiminga andiminga Retweeted Peter Sciretta @LegendsofSHIELD love me some @m_giacchino score andiminga added, Peter ScirettaVerified account @slashfilm Listen to Michael Giacchino's 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' Suite, See the Full Score Track List http://bit.ly/2rp1K8m 3:10 PM - 16 Jun 2017   https://twitter.com/adanagirl/status/875763296821014528 Christy‏ @adanagirl Christy Retweeted Jill Pantozzi @LegendsofSHIELD #AgentsofSHIELD's Alisha is in #WonderWoman! Christy added, Jill Pantozzi  ♿Verified account @JillPantozzi Who Is She? 31 More Amazons From #WonderWoman’s Themiscyra http://thenerdybird.com/who-is-she-31-more-amazons-from-wonder-womans-themiscyra/ … @WonderWomanFilm   OUTRO [41:21]   Haley, Lauren and Stargate Pioneer love to hear back from you about your top 5 Marvel character lists, your science of Marvel questions, who would you pick in an all-female Avenger team, or who’s Marvel abs you would like to see. Call the voicemail line at 1-844-THE-BUS1 or 844-843-2871.   Join Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. next time as the hosts discuss the Luke Cage episode 11 titled “Now You’re Mine” on Wednesday June 7th, 2017. You can listen in live when we record Wednesday nights at 8:00 PM Central time at Geeks.live (Also streamed live on Spreaker.com). Contact Info: Please see http://www.legendsofshield.com for all of our contact information or call our voicemail line at 1-844-THE-BUS1 or 844-843-2871   Don’t forget to go check out our spin-off podcast, Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D..: Longbox Edition for your weekly Marvel comic book release run-down with segments by Black Adam on S.H.I.E.L.D. comics, Lauren on Mutant Comics and Anthony with his Spider-Man web down. Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Longbox Edition is also available on the GonnaGeek.com podcast network.   Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Is a Proud Member Of The GonnaGeek Network (gonnageek.com).   This podcast was recorded on Sunday June 18th, 2017.   Standby for your S.H.I.E.L.D. debriefing ---   Audio and Video Production by Stargate Pioneer of GonnaGeek.com.

Now that Wonder Woman is kicking ass at the box office, Andy and Jamie are joined by Brendan Low and Johanna Diaz to answer listener questions about the film. They talk everything from Themiscyra and Steve Trevor to connections to Batman v Superman and possible sequel ideas! Find more Holy BatCast on the internet:  Web | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube | Patreon Leave a review of the show and subscribe on:  Apple Podcasts | Google Play | Stitcher | TuneIn Your feedback is appreciated. Send emails to holybatcast@rf4rm.com We hope you enjoyed this episode of Holy BatCast - The All Batman Podcast. If you'd like to support the show and help the podcast grow, consider visiting us at PATREON. In exchange for a monthly contribution, you'll earn rewards based on your level of support. ---------- [AVAILABLE NOW] We have an all new podcast for you to enjoy. DIS-Order: Every Disney Movie takes a chronological look back at every feature film released by Walt Disney Animation Studios. Be sure to click the link to subscribe in either Apple Podcasts or Google Play to make sure you don't miss an episode!

In honor of two big Hollywood blockbusters coming out in the next month or so -- Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 and Wonder Woman -- we decided to introduce each other to some, well, smaller scale films that may or may not be sci-fi/fantasy and feature strong, female characters. Instead of Gamora, we've got Stella Star in Roger Corman's STARCRASH, and instead of Princess Diana of Themiscyra, we're watching Brigitte Nielsen in the non-Conan Conan movie RED SONJA. We also spend a few minutes debriefing each other on the MST3K revival, which inspired the selection of Starcrash in the first place. So listen along and then come back in two weeks for our spoiler-filled discussion of both flicks! You can also listen to the Forgotten Film Pod on iTunes, Stitcher, and most podcast apps near you. Theme: “Vintage Education” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

This week on the Major Spoilers Podcast: It's a fifth week podcast! There is only one way to celebrate, with Amalgam Comics! Plus we discuss Ben Affleck is off of the Batman movie. Also we review Baltimore: The Red Kingdom #1, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Pink #8, The Fear Diaries #1, and Justice League Dark get reviewed. Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron. It will help ensure The Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! NEWS Ben Affleck Steps Down as Director of Batman Movie http://majorspoilers.com/2017/01/31/movies-ben-affleck-drops-batman-directing-gig/ REVIEWS STEPHEN BALTIMORE: THE RED KINGDOM #1 Writer: Mike MIgnola, Christopher Golden Artist: Peter Bergting Publisher: Dark Horse Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Lord Baltimore is missing. The Red King—evil incarnate—is taking over the world. Baltimore's team has been driven apart, with some of them dying on the frontlines while others are in hiding. Since the day he set out for revenge on the vampire who killed his family, Baltimore's fight has gotten bigger than he'd ever imagined, but what role will he take as evil finally threatens to consume the world?! [rating:4.5/5] MATTHEW MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS: PINK #6 Publisher: BOOM! Studios Writers: Brenden Fletcher, Kelly Thompson, & Tini Howard Artist: Daniele Di Nicuolo Price: $3.99 Synopsis: Final issue! Are Kimberly, Trini, and Zack ready to leave behind the life of a Ranger once more? What does this mean for Tommy and Kimberly? [rating:4.5/5] RODRIGO THE FEAR DIARIES #1 (W) Garrett Gunn (A) Nicolas Touris, Jim Callahan, Ulises Grostieta (L) HdE A dangerous threat to children across the world has returned. In the depths of The Nightmare Realm, The Dark Mistress has bode her time, waiting for the right moment to strike. Theodore Bearsly and his ragtag team of stuffed heroes face the greatest battle yet as they encounter The Dark Mistress' army of evil toys who will stop at nothing to collect the fear of every child on earth. [rating:2.5/5] ASHLEY JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK director: Jay Oliva written by: JM DeMattieus & Ernia Altbacker Beings with supernatural powers join together to fight against supernatural villains. This team of supernatural beings include John Constantine, Zatanna and Jason Blood also known as the demon Etrigran. [rating: 5/5] MAJOR SPOILERS POLL OF THE WEEK http://majorspoilers.com/2017/01/31/major-spoilers-poll-week-superfight-part-3/ If you want to suggest a trade paperback, you need to send an email to podcast@majorspoilers.com. That suggestion will go into the hopper and at least once a month, we'll pick a number of suggestions for you to vote on, and at the end of the polling period, the book with the most votes will get the Major Spoilers Podcast treatment. DISCUSSION Bruce Wayne Agent of SHEILD Bruce Wayne Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. was written by Chuck Dixon with art by Cary Nord and Mark Pennington. AMAZON Amazon, written and drawn by John Byrne, featured Amazon aka Princess Ororo Munroe of Themiscyra. CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends! Closing music comes from Ookla the Mok.

This week on the Major Spoilers Podcast: It’s a fifth week podcast! There is only one way to celebrate, with Amalgam Comics! Plus we discuss Ben Affleck is off of the Batman movie. Also we review Baltimore: The Red Kingdom #1, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Pink #8, The Fear Diaries #1, and Justice League Dark get reviewed. Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron. It will help ensure The Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! NEWS Ben Affleck Steps Down as Director of Batman Movie http://majorspoilers.com/2017/01/31/movies-ben-affleck-drops-batman-directing-gig/ REVIEWS STEPHEN BALTIMORE: THE RED KINGDOM #1 Writer: Mike MIgnola, Christopher Golden Artist: Peter Bergting Publisher: Dark Horse Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Lord Baltimore is missing. The Red King—evil incarnate—is taking over the world. Baltimore’s team has been driven apart, with some of them dying on the frontlines while others are in hiding. Since the day he set out for revenge on the vampire who killed his family, Baltimore’s fight has gotten bigger than he’d ever imagined, but what role will he take as evil finally threatens to consume the world?! [rating:4.5/5] MATTHEW MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS: PINK #6 Publisher: BOOM! Studios Writers: Brenden Fletcher, Kelly Thompson, & Tini Howard Artist: Daniele Di Nicuolo Price: $3.99 Synopsis: Final issue! Are Kimberly, Trini, and Zack ready to leave behind the life of a Ranger once more? What does this mean for Tommy and Kimberly? [rating:4.5/5] RODRIGO THE FEAR DIARIES #1 (W) Garrett Gunn (A) Nicolas Touris, Jim Callahan, Ulises Grostieta (L) HdE A dangerous threat to children across the world has returned. In the depths of The Nightmare Realm, The Dark Mistress has bode her time, waiting for the right moment to strike. Theodore Bearsly and his ragtag team of stuffed heroes face the greatest battle yet as they encounter The Dark Mistress' army of evil toys who will stop at nothing to collect the fear of every child on earth. [rating:2.5/5] ASHLEY JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK director: Jay Oliva written by: JM DeMattieus & Ernia Altbacker Beings with supernatural powers join together to fight against supernatural villains. This team of supernatural beings include John Constantine, Zatanna and Jason Blood also known as the demon Etrigran. [rating: 5/5] MAJOR SPOILERS POLL OF THE WEEK http://majorspoilers.com/2017/01/31/major-spoilers-poll-week-superfight-part-3/ If you want to suggest a trade paperback, you need to send an email to podcast@majorspoilers.com. That suggestion will go into the hopper and at least once a month, we’ll pick a number of suggestions for you to vote on, and at the end of the polling period, the book with the most votes will get the Major Spoilers Podcast treatment. DISCUSSION Bruce Wayne Agent of SHEILD Bruce Wayne Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. was written by Chuck Dixon with art by Cary Nord and Mark Pennington. AMAZON Amazon, written and drawn by John Byrne, featured Amazon aka Princess Ororo Munroe of Themiscyra. CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends! Closing music comes from Ookla the Mok.

This is the end of a chapter. The last episode, of this podcast, to date. If you would like to follow the exploits of your intrepid host, Nic Antoine, head on over to “molteno“. The show about art, culture, cuisine and all things: in-between. Thank you, so, so much, for listening to this show.

This is part two of a two part episode about Wonder Woman. Diana was the first child born on Paradise Island when Hippolyta, Queen of the Amazons, molded a child from clay and the gods gifted it with life. Later, Princess Diana would win a contest among the other women of Themiscyra to serve as the Amazon's first emissary to the world of man. Once there she quickly caught the attention of the world with the heroics that would lead to her being known as Wonder Woman. She would become perhaps one the most iconic characters in all of comics, a founding member of the Justice League, as well as a member of the Trinity of Heroes along with Batman and Superman. Thanks Kirby Krackle for the theme music! Follow H&V on Twitter and Facebook Email the show: laundryroombruce@gmail.com Be sure to check out chubbywizard.com

This is part one of a two part episode about Wonder Woman. Diana was the first child born on Paradise Island when Hippolyta, Queen of the Amazons, molded a child from clay and the gods gifted it with life. Later, Princess Diana would win a contest among the other women of Themiscyra to serve as the Amazon's first emissary to the world of man. Once there she quickly caught the attention of the world with the heroics that would lead to her being known as Wonder Woman. She would become perhaps one the most iconic characters in all of comics, a founding member of the Justice League, as well as a member of the Trinity of Heroes along with Batman and Superman. Thanks Kirby Krackle for the theme music! Follow H&V on Twitter and Facebook Email the show: laundryroombruce@gmail.com Be sure to check out chubbywizard.com  

The second issue. The personification, of Discord, is brought into the picture and compared with its’ Ancient equivalency. The Men’s Rights Movement is lightly touched upon and the Women’s Rights Movement is described, from the male perspective, for the purposes of context and comparison. And, as one would expect, the conclusions drawn are sans an […]

The first issue. A matrimonial triumvirate informs the birth of the greatest super-heroine in modern history. Feminism is defended by, simultaneously, a representative of the opposite gender and an inquisitor of the “Men’s Rights Movement”. And Singaporean skyscrapers, as it turns out, reveal themselves to be a highly sought after retreat for Grecian dieties. Wonder […]

Guilty Pleasures de volta ao DANYCAST, com pedidos dos nossos queridos ouvintes! o/ Ouvintes participantes: Vinícius Schiavini, Leandro Moreira, Aritana Mourão, Ártemis Themiscyra, Edilson R74, Arnaldo Jr e José Roberto Jr. Músicas deste episódio: Innocence – Deborah Blando Over My Shoulder – Mike and The Mechanics Drive – The Cars Empire State of Mind – […] Lista completa das músicas no blog do Danycast!