Podcasts about eternal perspective

If you’ve ever struggled to balance the demands of everyday life with an eternal perspective, this conversation is for you. If you’re a believer you know heaven is real. You probably even know you should thInk about living in light of eternal life. But how? If you’ve ever struggled to balance the demands of everyday life with an eternal perspective, this conversation is for you. In this episode, I sit down with storyteller and ministry founder Joe Mayers to talk about what it means to “think forever.” Joe shares how a devastating personal loss deepened his faith, strengthened his hope in heaven, and shaped the mission behind his ministry. We also talk about the judgment seat of Christ, why our daily choices matter more than we realize, and what Joe learned while creating his newest project about the Apostle Paul. This conversation will encourage you to live today with eternity in mind. And remember, I'd love to connect more on Instagram, where you'll find me at @donnaajones. And don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss a single episode! Xo, Donna Key Takeaways: 0:00:12 - Donna’s Summer Speaking Tour & Connection Invite 0:03:14 - Think Forever: Using Storytelling for Eternal Perspective 0:04:52 - How “The Bema” Reshapes Life in Light of Eternity 0:10:37 - Losing a Son, Grief, and Making Eternity Personal 0:17:19 - “Zeal”: Paul’s Life, Hidden Years, and Redeemed Passion What We Talk About The mission behind Think Forever The Bema Judgment Seat of Christ Why eternal perspective changes how we live today Joe's personal story of losing his infant son, Obi Finding hope in heaven after tragedy How God brings purpose out of pain Joe's new one-man show, Zeal Lessons from the life of the Apostle Paul The overlooked ten-year season of Paul's preparation How storytelling helps people engage with Scripture Think Forever: Living Today with Eternity in Mind Joe's ministry centers around one simple but powerful idea: Remember that you are an eternal being. Recognize that your daily choices matter forever. Focus on what has lasting value. Live faithfully in the responsibilities God has given you today. Keep your hope fixed on Christ and eternity. Donna’s Resources: Order a copy of my latest book - Healthy Conflict, Peaceful Life: A Biblical Guide to Communicating Thoughts, Feelings, and Opinions with Grace, Truth, and Zero Regret. It is available anywhere books are sold– here is the link on Amazon. If you need a helpful resource for someone exploring faith and Christianity or simply want to strengthen your own knowledge, you’ll want a copy of my book, Seek: A Woman’s Guide to Meeting God. It’s a must for seekers, new believers, and those who want to deepen their faith. Connect with Joe: Think Forever: https://www.thinkforever.org/ Think Forever Podcast https://www.thinkforever.org/podcast Let’s Connect: Instagram: @donnaajones Website: www.donnajones.org Donna’s speaking schedule: https://donnajones.org/events/ Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

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In this episode of Wisdom's Table, I, Rachel Wortman, conclude our four-week series on spiritual intelligence for your business. Today, we dive deep into the concept of building a business with an eternal perspective. I emphasize the importance of living our lives as Christians with an understanding that some things we do will last for eternity, while others will not. I share three key strategies for integrating this eternal mindset into your business practices. First, I discuss the significance of making disciples through your work. It's not about turning every client into a prayer buddy, but rather about being aware of our ability to influence and transform people positively. I highlight the importance of prioritizing personal development and spiritual growth over mere profit. NEXT STEPS Let's connect! How can I help serve your business? Send me an email and let me know! rachel@rachelwortman.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00:01 - Welcome to Wisdom's Table Introduction to the podcast and overview of the series on spiritual intelligence for business. 00:00:27 - Eternal Perspective in Business Discussion on the importance of having an eternal perspective while building and running a business. 00:01:10 - Storing Up Treasures in Heaven Exploration of what it means to store up treasures in heaven versus earthly treasures. 00:02:24 - Passion for Eternal Impact Rachel shares her personal passion for building a life that honors God and the eternal rewards of faithfulness. 00:05:55 - Key #1: Make Disciples Through Your Work The first key to building a business with eternity in mind: focusing on people over profit. 00:08:33 - The Legacy of Your Business Reflection on how the true legacy of a business is found in the transformation of people. 00:12:57 - The Impact of Kindness A personal story illustrating the profound impact of kindness in business interactions. 00:13:29 - Key #2: Good Giving Strategy The second key: establishing a giving strategy that aligns with God's purpose for your business. 00:16:27 - Strategic Partnerships in Giving Discussion on the importance of having a strategic approach to giving from your business profits. 00:18:27 - Key #3: Shared Vision with Family The third key: creating a shared vision for your business with your family to foster unity and support. 00:20:30 - Communication and Compromise The importance of ongoing communication and compromise in achieving a shared vision. 00:22:37 - Conclusion and Reflection Wrap-up of the episode, reflecting on the emotional journey and the significance of the discussed topics. 00:23:19 - Thank You for Listening Closing remarks and encouragement to share the episode with others.

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Message from Will Lewis on May 17, 2026

In this episode of Memoirs of an LDS Servant Podcast, Maurice Harker explores a powerful idea: what you believe about the future—especially life after death—directly shapes the choices you make today.Through personal stories and meaningful discussion, this episode dives into how having a clear vision of eternal relationships and purpose can give your life direction, courage, and deeper meaning. Maurice explains why understanding where you're going helps you decide how to act now—whether that means taking risks, standing firm, or making difficult but meaningful choices.You'll also learn how anchoring your life in a bigger picture can help you navigate uncertainty, strengthen relationships, and stay aligned with what matters most.

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Are you truly ready for the Bridegroom, or are you assuming you will have time to get ready later? In this episode, Heather Sudbrock takes you deep into the Parable of the Ten Virgins and asks the question many believers avoid: do you actually have oil, or are you trying to borrow readiness from someone else? This conversation is about spiritual preparation, sanctification, and the cost of being ready when the Bridegroom comes. The wise virgins were not called wise because they had lamps. All ten had lamps. They were wise because they had enough oil. They had prepared before the moment of delay, before the midnight cry, before the door was shut. Heather walks through the sobering difference between the wise and foolish virgins and what this parable reveals about half-hearted faith, delayed obedience, and the danger of assuming proximity to the Kingdom is the same as being prepared for it. This episode will challenge you to examine whether your faith is casual, borrowed, emotional, or truly surrendered. It is a call to stop waiting until the last minute to seek God, stop living on the fumes of past encounters, and stop assuming you can prepare later for what God is calling you to obey now. You will be invited to consider the cost of discipleship, the necessity of sanctification, and the eternal weight of the choices you are making in this life. This is not a soft message. It is a warning, a call to readiness, and an invitation to return to total devotion before the door is shut. Chapters 00:00 Understanding the Parable of the Ten Virgins 04:12 The Cost of Preparation and Readiness 09:26 The Journey of Sanctification 13:54 The Call to Total Devotion 19:26 The Consequences of Half-Hearted Faith 24:50 The Importance of Full Commitment 29:18 The True Meaning of Discipleship 34:19 The Eternal Perspective 39:41 The Urgency of Seeking God 43:37 Final Call to Commitment  

Message from Dr. Michael Youssef on May 3, 2026

Welcome to the “Wrap Party” where we dive a little deeper into Sunday's message. Tune in as we discuss the sermon. -Featuring Pastor Roger

After an extended period of receiving multiple words from the Lord, Pastor John then goes to 1 Peter 4 to help us gain an eternal perspective and to love.

In this world, we all live in different levels of societal and economic positions. But our earthly status and possessions are temporary. In James 1:9-11, he reminds us have an eternal perspective and not find our security in things that will fade away.

Before David ever faced Goliath, he faced lions and bears in the lonely places—guarding sheep, practicing with a sling, and learning to rely on the Lord. In today's episode of the MY Devotional Podcast, Dr. Michael Youssef unpacks 1 Samuel 17:32–37 to reveal a powerful principle: public courage is formed in private faithfulness. Then Dr. Youssef turns the spotlight on us. God calls parents, grandparents, and spiritual mentors to help prepare the next generation for the trials ahead—not by shielding them from reality, but by pointing them to God's promises and modeling what trust looks like when life is hard. In this devotional, you'll hear three practical ways to strengthen your children's faith: Share your trials appropriately so they learn to expect difficulty and develop perseverance, Bring Scripture to life during hard seasons by reading God's Word and highlighting His faithfulness, Lift their eyes to eternity—because our ultimate hope is anchored in Christ and God's promise to wipe away every tear (Revelation 21:4). If you want your children to face the “giants” of their generation with steady confidence, this episode will encourage you to let them see how you trust God today—so they'll know where to run tomorrow. Prayer: Father, as I model trust in You with real-life challenges, may the faith of the next generation be strengthened. I pray in the name of Jesus. Amen. “Since my youth, God, you have taught me, and to this day I declare your marvelous deeds” (Psalm 71:17). Learn more in Dr. Michael A. Youssef's sermon series Preparing the Next Generation: LISTEN NOW The voice you hear on the MY Devotional podcast is digitally generated with Dr. Youssef's permission. If today's devotional stirred a question, burden, or need for prayer, you don't have to walk through it alone.

In this episode, Jim Van Gelderen challenges the common mindset of “seeing is believing” by presenting a biblical reality: in the Christian life, believing is seeing. Drawing from Scripture and personal illustration, he explains how faith opens our eyes to the unseen spiritual realm—where our identity in Christ and fellowship with God are already real. This episode calls believers to stop waiting for visible proof and instead step into the reality God has already declared. Topics Discussed The contrast between “seeing is believing” and “believing is seeing” Living for the seen (temporal) vs. unseen (eternal) realm Thomas and the danger of requiring sight before faith Experiencing real fellowship with God in the unseen realm The meaning of being “in Christ” (Romans 6, Ephesians 1–2, 2 Corinthians 5) The biblical concept of “reckoning” as an act of faith Faith as spiritual eyesight How believing God's Word leads to real spiritual experience and victory Key Takeaways The unseen realm is not less real—it is more real and eternal. Faith is how we “see” spiritual truth and experience God's reality. Your identity in Christ is already true, whether you feel it or not. “Reckoning” is choosing to agree with God's Word regardless of emotions. Fellowship with God is a real, experiential relationship in the spiritual realm. Victory, joy, and transformation flow from believing what God has said. If you've been encouraged by this podcast, please take the time to give us a five-star rating and write a brief review. That would help tremendously in getting the word out and raising the visibility of the Thee Generation for others. For more faith inspiring resources and information about joining Thee Generation, please visit theegeneration.org.

Are you struggling to understand the gifts and talents within you? This episode emphasizes the simplicity of approaching God not with a to-do list but with a desire for genuine relationship and connection.

What if understanding the 2nd Coming of Christ completely changed how you live today? In this powerful episode of The Impossible Life Podcast, Nick Surface and Garrett Unclebach sit down with bestselling author John Bevere to discuss one of the most important, and often misunderstood, topics in the Christian faith: the return of Christ and its connection to purpose.John Bevere shares why he avoided teaching on the 2nd Coming of Christ for over 40 years and how studying it transformed his faith, his urgency, and his purpose. Instead of creating confusion or debate, he discovered that correctly understanding Christ's return produces passion, clarity, and a renewed commitment to living for eternity.This conversation challenges Christian men to rethink how they approach faith and purpose. When you understand that Jesus is coming back, today suddenly matters more. Your leadership matters. Your obedience matters. Your influence matters.John explains that the 2nd Coming of Christ is the second most talked-about subject in the Bible, yet many Christians rarely think about it. But when believers begin to live with eternity in mind, it creates urgency like a runner sprinting toward the finish line.In this episode, you'll learn:Why the 2nd Coming of Christ should shape your daily lifeHow faith and purpose become clearer when viewed through eternityWhy Christian men need urgency in leadership and discipleshipThe difference between arguing about end times and living with purposeHow understanding Christ's return increases passion for winning soulsWhy today matters when you understand eternityJohn Bevere also discusses how focusing on Christ's return changed his own life by increasing his compassion, strengthening his faith, and deepening his purpose to help others grow spiritually and prepare for eternity.This episode is a powerful call for Christian men to live with faith, purpose, and urgency not because of fear, but because of hope. Because when you understand the King is coming,you stop living casually and start living with purpose.Get John's New Book The King Is Coming by clicking hereGet With NuWave Home Lenders By Clicking HereJoin a group of likeminded Impossible Life listeners in our FREE Skool community by clicking here.Get the Purpose Playbook by clicking hereGet the FREE Basic Discipline Training 30 Day Program by clicking hereJoin us in Mindset Mastery by clicking hereIf you're a man that wants real accountability and training to be a leader, click here.Level up your nutrition with IDLife by clicking hereGET IN TOUCHSocial Media - @theimpossiblelifeEmail - info@theimpossible.life

What happens when the trophies fade, the crowds disappear, and the identity you built on success no longer satisfies? This episode challenges you to stop chasing temporary recognition and start anchoring your life in what actually lasts—your identity as ____________. Bible references: Matthew 6:33, Matthew 16:26TikTok: @CLWhiteside Instagram: @Championlife23  #FaithOverFame #IdentityInChrist #KingdomFirst #EternalPerspective #LetGoAndGrow

Principle 7 – An Eternal Perspective    2 Corinthians 4:1-18No matter what our circumstances in this life, we are to focus on God's grace and eternal values. NEW! - Let us know what you think of the program! Support the show

By Michael A. Youssef, Ph.D. Read John 20:11-15. Mary Magdalene had been rescued by Jesus from seven demons—and from the crushing shame of sin—so her devotion ran deep (Luke 8:2). While others fled in fear, Mary stayed near Jesus through His suffering and crucifixion, steadfast and unashamed. She saw enough to know He truly died, so when His body was missing from the tomb, she assumed the only explanation: someone had stolen Him. Then came the turning point. Through her tears, Mary was asked twice why she was crying—first by angels, then by Jesus Himself: “Woman, why are you crying?” (John 20:15). Dr. Youssef explains that Jesus wasn't dismissing her grief—He was lovingly correcting her conclusion. Her sorrow was rooted in a mistaken belief: she was searching for a corpse, but God had provided a living, resurrected Savior. This devotional meets us in our own distress. Job loss, frightening diagnoses, family turmoil, lingering fear—so often we weep because we can't see the risen Jesus at work in the midst of the trouble. Christ's question still presses us toward clarity: Who are you looking for—and what are you assuming about God's power right now? When you recognize that Jesus is alive and present, despair gives way to hope, and temporary sorrow is reshaped by eternal confidence. Prayer: Lord, help me to remember that my tears are unnecessary. Though this life will have sorrow, all my trials pale in comparison to the glory that awaits me in You. I pray in the name of Jesus. Amen. “He asked her, ‘Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?' Thinking he was the gardener, she said, ‘Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him'” (John 20:15). Learn more in Dr. Michael A. Youssef's sermon Our Tears and the Resurrection of Jesus: WATCH NOW | LISTEN NOW The voice you hear on the MY Devotional podcast is digitally generated with Dr. Youssef's permission. If today's devotional stirred a question, burden, or need for prayer, you don't have to walk through it alone.

Tim Moore is the Director and Senior Evangelist at Lamb & Lion Ministries. He has a newly released devotional titled ‘High Flight on Wings as Eagles.' Lamb & Lion Ministries: https://christinprophecy.org/ High Flight on Wings as Eagles: https://lamblionresources.com/category/books/books-by-tim-moore/high-flight-on-wings-as-eagles Lamplighter publication: https://christinprophecy.org/wp-content/uploads/Lamplighter_JanFeb26_The-Church-Age.pdf Register for the Worldview Matters Conference: https://davidfiorazo.com/worldview-matters-conference/ www.worldviewmatters.tv © FreedomProject 2026

Eternal Perspective: Rewiring How Entrepreneurs Think About Rewards, Heaven, and the Joy of Work Host Justin Forman sits down with Randy Alcorn—author of 65 books including the bestselling Treasure Principle and Heaven—for a conversation that will upend some of the most common misconceptions entrepreneurs carry about rewards, happiness, holiness, and what work looks like in eternity. Recorded with the kind of candor that only comes from two people who genuinely love ideas, this episode digs into why so many Christians—especially driven, ambitious entrepreneurs—have quietly believed things about heaven and reward that simply aren't in the Bible. Randy unpacks the Protestant Reformation's unintended legacy, the Greek roots of "blessed" and "happy," and why Jim Elliot's most famous quote is actually about gain. He also shares the surprising rhythm behind decades of prolific writing—and what it means to partner with God to set something in motion that lasts. Key Topics: Why the happiness vs. holiness debate gets both wrong—and how God actually calls us to both How the Protestant Reformation created an overcorrection against rewards that still shapes evangelical thinking today What entrepreneurs get wrong about heaven—and why a "bucket list" mentality actually reveals a low view of eternity Work before the Fall: Why the new earth will have real labor, real joy, and real collaboration The through line across 65 books: Eternal perspective as the framework for stewarding time, money, and calling Notable Quotes: "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." — Jim Elliot (quoted by Randy Alcorn) "God has not simply called us to holiness. God has called us also to happiness, and there is no conflict whatsoever between them." — Randy Alcorn "We affirm a belief in the resurrection but it's as if we're not wrapping our minds around what it means." — Randy Alcorn

Listen to this week's sermon, Parables In Practice preached by Pastor Jason Dunn from Luke 12:35-48.

We were honored to have guest speaker Marshall Rogers share a powerful message encouraging us to focus on what truly matters from an eternal perspective.In a world filled with distractions, pressures, and temporary priorities, this lesson reminds us to evaluate our lives through the lens of eternity. Marshal challenges us to consider where we are investing our time, energy, and devotion, and calls us back to a Christ-centered life grounded in faith and purpose.In this sermon, you will be encouraged to:• Reflect on what has lasting spiritual value• Realign priorities with God's will• Strengthen your commitment to faithful living• Keep your eyes fixed on the eternal promises of GodThis message is both encouraging and challenging, helping us remember that our lives are meant for more than temporary success — they are meant for eternal impact.We are thankful for Marshal's willingness to share wisdom from Scripture and encourage our church family.#GuestSpeaker #Faith #ChristianLiving #Bible #Church #Eternity #Jesus

In this message, Andreas Kyriacou shares from a deeply personal place following the sudden passing of Bill Henson. Walking through days of grief with his family in Harare, this message reflects on the fragility of life, the nearness of God in sorrow, and the call to realign our lives around what truly matters. A sobering and grounding encouragement to live with eternity in view.

What happens when good gifts—money, success, stability—quietly become your trust? In today's episode of the MY Devotional Podcast, Dr. Michael Youssef draws from two of Jesus' most sobering teachings about wealth. First, the story of the rich young ruler in Mark 10: a man who wanted to follow Jesus, yet couldn't release his grip on riches. Jesus offered him treasure in heaven, true security, and salvation—but his possessions held his heart so tightly that he walked away sorrowful. Then Dr. Youssef turns to Jesus' parable in Luke 12 of the rich landowner who expanded his barns and planned for a comfortable future—yet failed to plan for eternity. In a single night, everything changed, exposing the danger of living as though this life is all there is. This devotional is a timely reminder that the only refuge that stands in every storm is Jesus Christ. Markets rise and fall. Economies shift. Peace and turmoil come and go. But those who run to Christ are secure—life or death—because in Him, you already have everything you need. Prayer: Father, help me to press on in this life with whatever circumstances You have deemed for my good—whether riches or want—remembering the hope of glory that is mine today. I pray in the name of Jesus. Amen.  Today's MY Devotional has been provided by Leading The Way. The voice you hear on the MY Devotional podcast is digitally generated with Dr. Youssef's permission. If today's devotional stirred a question, burden, or need for prayer, you don't have to walk through it alone.

Living for Eternity | Burnt Hickory Baptist Church Life moves quickly and the pressure to achieve can feel overwhelming. In this message, we are challenged to step back and consider what truly lasts. Teaching from 2 Corinthians shows how trials refine faith, how priorities can be realigned toward eternal impact, and why living for God's approval brings deeper freedom and purpose. Discover how to invest your life in what will matter forever. Key Insights: Hard seasons can refine faith and deepen dependence on God rather than weaken it. An eternal perspective helps believers navigate anxiety, pressure, and disappointment with hope. True purpose is found by investing time and energy in scripture and in people. Every vocation can become a platform for spiritual influence and kingdom impact. Living for God's approval brings freedom from the constant pursuit of worldly success. Scripture Focus: 2 Corinthians 4:16-18 Speaker: Marty Godfrey Location: Burnt Hickory Baptist Church Connect with us: ° Watch this sermon on YouTube ° Follow us on Facebook ° Follow us on Instagram ° Visit our website

Demonstrating genuine love means having an eternal perspective. See how as Patrick Dennis shares.Share your stories, prayer requests, or your response to this devotional in the comments below.If you would like to know more about New Life, who we are, what we believe, or when we meet, visit http://newlife.church. Or you can fill out a digital connection card at http://newlife.church/connect - we would love to get to know you better!

Demonstrating genuine love means having an eternal perspective. See how as Patrick Dennis shares.Share your stories, prayer requests, or your response to this devotional in the comments below.If you would like to know more about New Life, who we are, what we believe, or when we meet, visit http://newlife.church. Or you can fill out a digital connection card at http://newlife.church/connect - we would love to get to know you better!

Parenting 0-18 With an Eternal Perspective: An Interview with Jessica Smartt (Episode 286)   Hebrews 12:11 NIV “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it"   *Transcription Below*   Jessica Smartt is the author of Come On Home, Memory-Making Mom and Let Them Be Kids. She graduated college with an English degree, a religion minor and a hankering to pour into kids. After teaching middle school literature for five years, she was promoted to her current position and dream job: wife, homeschooling mom, author, and Professional Encourager of Intentional Moms. She lives in sunny North Carolina on a family farm with horses, chickens, and an ever-increasing number of beloved cats. She and her husband, Todd, have three beautiful children. She loves to energize everyday moms to save childhood and build close-knit families. Jessica's favorites include: bike rides, spinach quiche, a clean kitchen, being warm, national parks, and food that anyone else made. Connect with Jessica through Instagram or her website.   Thank you to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage   Questions and Topics We Cover: What questions can we ask ourselves as mothers to take inventory and get real about our capacity, health, and gifts? How can we purposefully make our home a place our family loves to be and we do too? Will you share a handful of your other favorite practical tips for building a strong family that we haven't covered yet?   Other Episode Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: Making Family Memories with Jessica Smartt   Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website   Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”   Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”   Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”   Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”   Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”   Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession- to the praise of his glory.”   Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”   Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“   Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“   Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”   *Transcription*   Music: (0:00 – 0:14)   Laura Dugger: (0:15 - 1:23) Welcome to The Savvy Sauce where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here.   I'm thrilled to introduce you to our sponsor, WinShape Marriage. Their weekend marriage retreats will strengthen your marriage while you enjoy the gorgeous setting, delicious food, and quality time with your spouse. To find out more, visit them online at winshapemarriage.org.   My returning guest for today is Jessica Smartt. She has authored another brilliant book entitled, Come On Home: A Grace-Filled Guide to Raising a Family Who Loves (and Likes) Each Othe. You're not going to want to miss a minute of this episode because she answers every question with kindness and eternal wisdom, yet she still manages to share plenty of fun ideas and applicable tips.   Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jessica.   Jessica Smartt: (1:25 - 1:28)  Thanks so, much for having me. I'm excited about our conversation.   Laura Dugger: (1:29 - 1:44) Well, I've been looking so, forward to this, and it's been a few years since you were a guest on The Savvy Sauce, so, as you're looking back, can you just walk us through how your motherhood experience has changed from the early days to now currently?   Jessica Smartt: (1:46 - 3:36) Yeah, it has changed so, much, and I actually was thinking about this just on my own. God is so, good, and I don't know if everyone's experience is kind of like this. I look around and see very high-functioning young mothers, so, I'm thinking maybe not, but I just feel like those first couple years were such a struggle with a lot of mental illness and just anxiety, and probably that led into depression, too, and just feeling really overwhelmed. I do feel like a lot of it was sleep deprivation, which is a literal torture technique that armies use, so, I think just caring for my body better has actually been a huge thing, but also just God is just so, kind, and I think I mentioned in the book of just really early on having this moment where I thought I'm not any good to anybody, and I didn't fast-forward to see any of this, right?  I didn't know how it was going to end. I just knew I felt terrible, and I couldn't function and overcome with anxiety, and everything was blurry and overwhelming, and so, to then fast-forward and see personally in my own life the rewards of my kids are doing well, and I like being a mom a lot, and professionally that I'm even writing about it is stunning, so, it's a real redemption story to me, and just proof that also God uses those pits because it was out of that that I was able to actually gain traction even on my blog sharing about my personal experience and loss and weakness. God used that, so, I'm really grateful.   Laura Dugger: (3:36 - 3:45) That's incredible to get just a little picture of that journey, and can you update us with your kids' ages now as of today?   Jessica Smartt: (3:45 - 3:59) Yes, so, I have a 16-year-old boy. Last week we were visiting college, and that is very weird, and then a 14-year-old boy and an 11-year-old daughter.   Laura Dugger: (4:00 - 4:19) Okay, wonderful. So, regardless of what phase we're in as parents, do you have any recommendations for questions that we can begin to ask ourselves so that we can take inventory and get real about our capacity and our health and our gifts?   Jessica Smartt: (4:20 - 7:00) Right, yes, so, in Come on Home, that's kind of how I kick it off because I say, you know, you can't have the family that if in order to have the family you want or the home you want, you have to be honest about what you actually have and what you're starting with, and so, part of that is taking inventory of yourself and your life, and that's not something we often stop to do in the chaos and busyness, so, I asked what your capacity is and really just trying to help mom just think through preaching to myself here, like all the things that are on our plate, and is there something on our plate that the Lord maybe is not calling us to or that doesn't correlate and match to what our really core values are in life, and those are hard questions to ask, but they actually bring a lot of relief to just be honest with yourself about what's happening in your life and coming before the Lord and saying, you know, I'd literally say, like, make a list of all the things that you're doing and look at it and see if you should take any off, and the list is, you know, stunningly long for a lot of us, but yeah, so, that's just capacity, just kind of thinking through where we are and what we actually have the bandwidth to do, and then I talk about health and actually asking, like, your husband, if you're married, you know, how would you like me to care for myself better? What's one thing that you like when I do? And a lot of times I think we're really surprised when we hear the things they appreciate or what they'd like us to do, and they might just be giving us a really wonderful gift to go invest in an area in our life that we've been overlooking. So, and then gifts, that's a really fun one, too, because I'm not you and you're not me, and we're not the listeners, but God has uniquely equipped all of us to be the mom and the homemaker, you know, in our particular callings.   So, saying, like, are you a good organizer? Are you, you know, the fun mom, right, that I wish I was and I'm not? Are you, you know, the adventurer mom? Are you the crafty mom? You know, God has given, do you cook well and, you know, enjoy that? And everybody has a gift, that you're, whether you're, you know, a soft place to land for your kids and a good listener, or you're, you know, more drill sergeant-y, like those firstborns tend to be, and that is me, so, that's why I can say that. But just thinking about, like, what skills and gifts did God give me to lead my family well? And so, that was just kind of the ground-tilling up work before you think through, like, how can we build the family that we really want with the life that we actually have and the person we really are?   Laura Dugger: (7:01 - 8:14) And I love, that was one of the aspects of the book that I just appreciated. You sprinkle all these insightful questions throughout, and it is really great to reflect on those with the Lord or with the journal or in conversation, but you're encouraging us repeatedly to get a long-term vision of this parenting journey. And so, it makes me think, my husband works with Chick-fil-A, and oftentimes he's encouraged to be careful not to just get caught up working in the business, but to pull back and work on the business, and it's actually better for everybody. And I just think as parents, we need that same reminder to kind of lift up our eyes, get a different view, and get above these urgent, incessant needs of today and look at where we're going. And I think the Bible speaks a lot to that with being prudent. And you challenge us with that long-term view to actually take an eternal view in parenting, which is inevitably going to impact how we steward our time and our decision making. So, can you speak to both of those?   Jessica Smartt: (8:16 - 10:23) Yeah, I mean, the eternal, the perspective, I think I said, you know, there's the Bible verse about you reap what you sow, and we think of it as like a cautionary warning. And it is, but it's also just a true statement of how life works, meaning what you invest in, and what you spend your time in, what you care about, what the things you're actually doing is where you're going to see growth. And so, if I am investing in my home, I'm going to see fruit in there. Now, of course, it's not a one-to-one, it's not a slot machine. So, you know, we don't know exactly what it's going to look like. And God is so, good to cover up even over the areas that we've done a bad job in. But in general, you can't expect to grow cucumbers if you've been planting tomatoes. Like what you've been planting in the ground is what's going to grow up. And so, that's just like, even though it's kind of like fancy wordy language, it's always just a good reminder to me to think like, what am I actually spending my time doing?   I want a family that, like I was a recipient of, that's warm and inviting and you want to be around. And in order to get that, like you have to plant it. And so, that's a lot of being present as a mom and which is so, hard, very hard. But I just wanted to not lay a burden on moms, but really just encourage them like, do those things that are going to reap the life you actually want in the long term.  And of course, you mentioned the word eternity, that's planning, building disciples. And so, that is a very long road. You know, you're not going to always see the fruit of that, you know, immediately. But keeping our eye on, you know, I want to raise kids that are living out the calling that God has placed on their lives and are going out into this world to be truth and light. Like, oh my goodness, so, many hard, boring conversations that you have to have, but you have to, like that's, that's part of the equation.   Laura Dugger: (10:26 - 11:35) I think that even that piece is with discipline too, which is one of my least favorite parts of parenting. I don't know if others relate to that, but a verse that I find so, encouraging is Hebrews 12:11, that "no discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful later on. However, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." And so, I love that encouragement you're giving to a parent for the long view, and you bring up your family of origin. You write so much about this gratitude you have for your parents and something you wrote really stuck with me where you say someone was always home, both physically and metaphorically, someone was paying attention. So, Jessica, what caution do you want to share with any parents today who may be tempted to let go a little too early, a little too soon and too young, whether that's with technology or even just being physically present?   Jessica Smartt: (11:36 - 14:25) I think it's just so, important for moms and dads to receive their instructions, not from the world, but from the Lord, because the culture right now is okaying and even encouraging parenting that is not godly parenting. We have so many distractions and we are pulled towards our phones, towards our own personal growth and flourishing, which is okay. You know, of course we want us to be healthy as we just mentioned, but at the expense of the kids that God has put in our lives, that is what, that is the messaging you're going to receive from the world. If you're hanging out with people who do not have a biblical worldview, that is going to be how they're spending their time.  And it's not a judgment statement. It's just, it is an observation that they, that is not, the focus is not, I'm going to sit and, you know, maybe at one point culturally years and years ago, it really was more family oriented, but it is not anymore.  It just simply is not. And, you know, it masquerades under that as, you know, oh, we're all going to the soccer game together and we're going to go watch the gymnastics performance or whatever it is. But that, that is not always true discipling of your children.   That's kind of being present in a cursory way and not truly and really, to really pay attention and really be present with your kids is going to look vastly different than what the rest of the world is doing.  And if it doesn't, you got to check. And I, I'm saying this as absolutely of myself, you know, there are moms that are just on their phone, and I can do that as well. I've had to put in, we can talk about specifics, but I've had to put in like specific things in my, in my actual phone, you know, and in my life parameters and guidelines so that I'm not doing that. But no one in the world is going to tell you not to, that's normal to just be stuck on your phone as a mom, as a kid, whatever. And so, a like, where are you getting your voice? That's saying how to parent, who are the voices that are speaking into your life?  Are you listening to older and wiser mentors? Are you reading really good books? Are you putting yourself in the word first thing in the morning or are you just floating around with whatever culture says to do? And I don't mean to sound judgy here because I am deeply convicted even as I'm speaking this of like, am I living this? I'm not always, it's very, very hard. But I just think we first, first step is, you know, to orient yourself to the Lord and how would he have you parent?  Not what is everyone else okay with doing? Cause it's going to look very different.   Laura Dugger: (14:26 - 16:54)  Okay. I love that with kind of the emphasis on; it does require a sacrifice from us with that quality and quantity time. And it makes me think on page 38 of your book, you encourage us to take the time to know each child, helping them find their passion, abilities, gifts, and interests.  And that really does bless both the child and the parent. And now a brief message from our sponsor.   Friends, I'm excited to share with you today's sponsor, WinShape Marriage. Do you feel like you need a weekend away with your spouse and a chance to grow in your relationship together at the same time? WinShape Marriage is a fantastic ministry that provides weekend marriage retreats to help couples grow closer together in every season and stage of life. From premarital to parenting to the emptiness phase, there is an opportunity for you. 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S-A-V-V-Y.  Thanks for your sponsorship.   So, Jessica, what has this looked like in your home? And can you give us some ideas?   Jessica Smartt: (16:56 - 19:19) Yeah, I just think it is so, easy for us to have our own expectations of what our kids are, and even to speak that over them from the minute they come out of the womb, whether it's, oh, we've just pinned them as to be this, or it's something that we are, or something that we want them to be. But instead to look and see like, who is this actual child that's been created? And I thought of, you know, years and years ago, my son was like, itching to do something, you know, they get to be like nine, 10. And they start feeling like, you know, they need something other than mom in the house. And we were kind of praying about it and thinking it through. And he said, “I think I really would like to play soccer.”   And at the time, we were pretty, pretty committed into the baseball world. And I was like, no, you know, I had friendships with the parents, and we liked the coach, and we were already there. And soccer was this whole thing I didn't even know, you know, I was like, no.  And honestly, I waited for a year or two. But now my both my boys are in a semi travel league. It's not like all out driving all across the country, but they've been able to play at a higher level.  And they're doing amazing. It's clearly what they were meant to do. And I couldn't miss out on that just by being like, no, you know, that's not what you do.   Like, you know, so, just being open as a parent to really like, what are they good at? And it may not be what you thought it may not be what you are good at. My daughter loves to make a giant mess in the kitchen, giant and cook. And oh, my goodness, it is very hard for me because I'm like a keep it clean.  Don't use all the ingredients. But I've been convicted to really, you know, let her explore these gifts. I have a friend whose daughter is making these elaborate birthday cakes. I mean, like the most crazy food network kind of thing. And I saw it and thought, I know what that kitchen must have looked like when you let her do that. That was a lot of days and afternoons of you letting her waste the flour and make a big mess.  But the fruit is, it's incredible. And, so, yeah, sacrificing what we want to let them grow into, you know, and God is so, good.   Like if we don't know what it is, pray with your kid, like you, what did you, what is your thing?  What do you think God's made you to do? We, you know, need an activity. What, what, let's ask God, like what he wants you to do. I've never prayed a prayer like that that hasn't been answered and never.   Laura Dugger: (19:20 - 19:47)  Oh, that's so, good. I mean, we think of for friendship for ourselves or with our children or activities that they want to do, just hopefully that's what we keep being reminded of is bring it to the Lord rather than seeking out those voices and culture and see what his perfect plan is. But you also write an entire chapter on the power of time. So, will you share some of your applicable wisdom here?   Jessica Smartt: (19:49 - 22:15)  Yes. And you know, don't mind me while I actually get out the book, because even though you wrote it, sometimes you're like, what exactly did I say? Um, but thinking through like activities that our family has signed up for, as I mentioned, you know, I was kind of like connected in that baseball mindset.  And so, was it actually the right thing for my kids? Maybe or maybe not. And so, I talked through like at questions to ask, you know, as a husband and wife about where our family's going and what activities our kids are doing, which is a giant question today.   I don't think parents are thoughtful enough about what they're signing up for and what they're doing. And you get, you know, mid-November and your schedule is completely packed and your kids having meltdowns and you're never eating dinner together. And you're like, how did we get to this life? But it was a little bit of like, not quite following the path ahead mentally to see what it would look like. And I would just encourage anybody right now that it's not too late to rearrange, even if you have to quit something, even if it costs a deposit, even if you have to back out, like we are not as trapped as we think we are. And if you're doing something in your family that's not healthy, or, you know, it's not benefiting you stop, like no one's gonna, you know, anyway.   So, as you're thinking through activities, I talked about the interest question, which means like, is your kid actually there? Or is it like you that's kind of getting more out of this? And then I talked about the mealtime question.  And maybe we'll get to this, but family meals are so important. They really are. Even if it is, you know, not hours of sitting there with candlelight, whatever, just to have that checkpoint together. So, is your activity schedule, allowing you to uphold whatever your values are with meals? I'm not gonna tell you what they are, but is that what you want, really? And then the whole family question.   You know, I've seen a lot, and we've lived it too, of like the younger kid being getting drug around to the older talented kid's activities.  That's really a hard one, right? And so, I'm not saying don't do that. Sometimes families are gonna just look like that for seasons. But I do think it's worth stopping to say, what is it like right now to be that youngest child? What are they going through?  And am I being kind to them? You know, are there switches we can kind of make in the family? Because it's, you know, the family is not about one person and their talents. It's a holistic, healthy, functioning unit.   Laura Dugger: (22:18 - 23:21)  Absolutely. So, even, I hear you saying, evaluating, again, kind of taking inventory. What is on the family plate? How is that affecting every human in the unit of the family?  Is that taking us where we want to go? Just being, I love how you use the word thoughtful. Just being full of thoughts of this and taking it to the Lord of what's the wise thing to do. And for all of us, I think with that time question, it does lead us to the question of, who are we spending the most time with? Because that will significantly impact our lives.  It'll impact our children as well. So, do you have any other, I love those questions. Any other lessons that you've learned? I'm thinking especially related to activities and youth sports come to mind because our culture really has gone to the side of idolizing it and catering everything else around that. So, do you have any other wisdom to share on that topic?   Jessica Smartt: (23:23 - 25:48)  Yeah, I mean, I'll just share. Personally, we have decided to have our kids play at a level that is probably sub what their talent could be. And I don't know.  I guess time will tell. If they look back and they were like, mom, I really, you know, could have, but I have a hunch that they won't. I more often am seeing in my friends and stuff that it's like, they get into high school, and the kids are kind of starting to feel burnt out. Or they're like, you know, it's so, hard right now to be, I mean, not even a professional, let's say soccer player, but at college, it's like unheard of.  It's the elite, elite. And so, it's like, why are you doing this anyway?   And we've had several opportunities to compete at higher levels and try out for things that we have said no to, you know, because it would require being gone more nights, it would require tons of time in the car, it would be families away on the weekends.  So, we have some of that. I think it's important when you have boys, especially to let them have an outlet to compete as we, if you know, I homeschool as you do. And so, if you have a homeschooled teenage boy, they should probably be doing something right. So, I am not saying sit at home and, you know, play Monopoly every night as a family. But, we have chosen to prioritize other things.   And so, so far, I am super grateful for that. We had a season where we were way too busy with baseball. And it was the boys were like 10 and 12. And Monday through Thursday, one of them had a different we were never eating together Monday through Thursday, Saturdays, we were taking off different directions. I could never understand why we had to drive two hours to play a team. I'm like, there's so, many baseball players right in this neighborhood.  Can we not find a team? And God use that it's fine. But, but I don't I don't envy that season.   And I'm really grateful for some of the breathing room that we've had. And also, I would say my son, my oldest son is a gifted guitar player and singer. And he would not be able to do that. If we were 110% in one of those other sports, he would not have any time to even pursue those other interests.  You just never know. You know, I think white space and mental white space and time, I talk about this and let them be kids is so important for just developing as a person. No one flourishes well with a completely jam-packed schedule. And so, how would we expect our children to, you know, that is good.   Laura Dugger: (25:48 - 26:02)  That is so, wise. And how can we strategically connect with our kids so that they do feel seen, and known and loved and liked?   Jessica Smartt: (26:03 - 27:54)  Yes. I mean, that feels overwhelming, doesn't it? But and I talked through in the book kind of each one of those categories. But I know this is going to sound cliche, but I would just say a like recognizing that if a kid doesn't feel like you like them, they're going to notice that. And so, it doesn't matter all the extra things what you're getting them for Christmas, and where you're they're taking them if they really genuinely feel like you're kind of annoyed with them. They know that.   And that's, that's not great. So, I would say first step before you get into any practicals and pancake breakfast and all that is just like, if you are feeling that way to your kid, a don't feel guilty. It's natural.  We all have that at times. And be come before God and just say, these are the feelings I'm dealing with. Can you please help me here? And again, to quote myself, I've never prayed that prayer and it not been answered.  God has always shown up in some way. And so, often what it looks like I talk about in being liked is just like genuinely working on something that you have in common.   I think my parents did that so, well with us. And it wasn't the same thing because my siblings and I are all different. But they really worked to always find common ground and always have that relationship bucket full, right? My mom is like big on, you know, don't make too many withdrawals unless you have made a lot of deposits. And they lived that for years and years and years of pouring into us and genuinely connecting with us. So, way harder to do than to say, but that's our goal. And I do actually have a lot of specific ideas in the book of random ways you can love your kids, love languages and all of that. But yeah, asking God for help.   Laura Dugger: (27:55 - 28:09) And sometimes it's just helpful to hear what somebody else does, even if that's not exactly how it'll apply to our situation. But can you just give one example of a way that you use your child's love language, maybe both for one of your sons and your daughter?   Jessica Smartt: (28:11 - 29:33) Well, I've learned a lot about my middle child, and he loves the comfort things in life. So, if I see him struggling with school or something, I can bring him, you know, yogurt parfait or he likes coffee. So, we give our kids coffee.  Don't sue us anyway. But if I make him a cup of coffee, oh, you can just see it in his face. It's like, oh, mom loves me, you know?  He's one that even like if I go make his bed, he'll appreciate that. Not every kid is like that. But just kind of seeing and noticing the things that he likes.   That's been kind of something that we do. And then my daughter loves to tell stories, long, long stories. And I'm working so hard to not only like, I want to listen, but also, you know, teach her how to condense. Because Jordan Peterson says, don't let your kid become someone that is, you know, not pleasant to be around.  If you're struggling with something, someone else will, too. And she's an absolute delight.  I mean, truly. But so, just listening to her stories and kind of working on the art of conversation. My mom always said, play tennis, conversation tennis. So, you hit the ball, and then I hit the ball back to you. So, we're working on that, you know?   Laura Dugger: (29:35 - 30:05)  Absolutely. That reciprocity is huge. If you take turns asking questions, it reminds me, a previous guest, Jodi Berndt, had also said, in addition to that, let's also teach our children how to serve the ball. So, to initiate that, I just thought that that's so good. I'll work that in. Jessica, how can we purposefully make our home a place our family loves to be? And we do, too.   Jessica Smartt: (30:07 - 31:52) I have been learning so, much about this in this stage of life, you know, in my 40s.  And again, it's hard when you have little kids. So, I think you can probably say across the board, it's going to look different when you're raising little kids to have a warm and wonderful inviting home than it is in your later years when your kids are older, and you have more time.  But I would just challenge moms. Well, I look back and I think, if I hadn't been so, stretched thin and put unrealistic expectations on myself in other areas of life, I maybe could have invested in my home a little bit more. And the thing I have learned is that having a home that's peacefully run just reaps so, many benefits for a woman and her family.   And I am behind the curve, I feel like, on this. But as I have learned to organize my space and really pour myself into my home, not feeling like it's a waste of time to organize a pantry. It is amazing how it blesses my family.  People notice it. And it's hard to even articulate it because you wouldn't even think that if you clean out a closet, it's going to bless your family. But it really actually does.  And my husband benefits from it. He's not even like a strict, everything has to be clean. But when I've worked on something in the home, he sees it and notices it and appreciates it. So, God has just been teaching me so, much about what it looks like to really be like a homemaker, a godly homemaker and pour myself into my home. And I have reaped so much joy and peace from living out that role and calling in my life.   Laura Dugger: (31:53 - 32:23) That was one of the quotes I wrote down that observation that you made on page 142. And I'll just quote you, "when I do something to invest in our home, every single member of our family brightens." And I exactly great and you gave practical ways of how we can do that. And I also like it because it gives a little freedom because we're one of the family members too. And I think we brighten when we get that space in order.   Jessica Smartt: (32:24 - 33:06)  Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Again, back to our earlier like cultural, cultural narrative versus biblical. There's like a, there's a lot of messaging about that it doesn't matter to really invest in your home and your family. And that's just not how God made the world to operate. So, I would challenge moms that even if they are doing what the rest of everyone is doing, and it's like, ah, it looks like a bomb went off in here. Like, um, you know, that may not be how God is calling us to live with a giant disclaimer that there are seasons of life that it truly does look like a bomb went off.  And that is okay. We are doing good gospel work, raising children.   Laura Dugger: (33:07 - 33:46)  Absolutely. But then also I think Proverbs 31 sometimes gets a bad rap, but really there's a lot of freedom in it for women because it is how the Lord created us, but she does look well to the ways of her household. And I think that just summed up, she's one of the members of the household, but so is everybody else. And that's one thing that can bless everyone, but you are just full and abundant with ideas, and you have an appendix in the book full of resources to help us maintain and take care of all our responsibilities. So, will you share a few of those ideas with us?   Jessica Smartt: (33:47 - 34:46) Um, yes, I, and maybe this is my homeschool mom speaking, but I have just learned so, much from other good books. I have, it's truly changed my life just in whether it's talking about personal health or discipline or marriage or prayer or my home. So, the thing I'm really actually most proud about in the appendix is my list of recommended resources. And it's just all the books that have impacted me as a mom and also impacted my writing too.  Um, I'll, I'll mention one. I think, uh, I don't know if everyone has read A Praying Life, but that has completely transformed not only my walk with the Lord, but my prayer life.  And I've implemented, um, it's Paul Miller, I believe his idea for prayer cards. And I do that every morning. Um, it has been the sweetest thing, and I've really reaped a lot of blessing out of kind of modeling what he sets up in that book.  So, that's just one example. If you haven't read A Praying Life, you should definitely go read it.   Laura Dugger: (34:47 - 35:20)  That's awesome. And I don't know if this ties in, but I'm just remembering back one of the podcasts that I heard you speak on. You share your definition of godly self-care, and you say that it's whatever helps you do your job well and not at the sacrifice of others. So, can you elaborate with some encouragement for how we can make sure that we don't go to either side, that we don't neglect ourselves, but we also continue with this merrymaking for our family.   Jessica Smartt: (35:21 - 38:22)  Right. Yes. And, um, that definition, I always want to be like, you know, the end part about not to the sacrifice of someone else. When I had a young, I think I had two kids and my baby was six weeks old.  I had a very qualified, loving teenage girl. Watch my two kids while my husband and I left for literally an hour to go to five guys and get burgers.  And my youngest was not thrilled. He did not prefer the bottle. So, in some ways his life was unsettled for a brief moment, but that was okay. So, I think everyone knows when I say, um, you know, not to the sacrifice of everyone else.   What I'm saying is like looking at the family and certainly we shouldn't be like living this plush and well-watered life and someone else's withering away. So, it's a general statement of, you know, that it would be too far, as you said, on the extreme of, and I do think that happens honestly, because we're all self-centered.  It's not that we don't love our kids. We're just trained to care about ourselves. But many women struggle on the other side of, um, maybe neglecting some areas in their life that could truly help them to be better wives and better moms. And, um, it's a really fun activity to think like, what, how could I change my life a little bit in a way that I would be a better wife and mom.   And I'm not meaning that to justify any sort of behavior that, you know, you want to do, because you certainly could use that for almost anything. Um, but really to think like, how can I be the best mom and wife that I could possibly be? And it might mean making some, giving yourself some breathing room. And I would also encourage women to, um, one of the best uses for that time is to work on your marriage because there's direct overflow into the family. And so, best case, I gave some ideas of like family adventures that can kind of fill your cup along with everyone else. And I would say maybe next best or equal would-be husband, wife stuff where you can check out, connect, and you're overflowing and ready to enter back into family life.   And then finally things that it's certainly fine to just step out and find those things that are life giving to you, but just trying to keep an eye on, you know, how is everyone in the family doing? And there might be seasons.  I think of my mom caring for her mom who had dementia. She wasn't really well watered in that season. She was, she was quite depleted, but that's what the Lord had been calling her to do at that period of time. Um, and we often were like, mom, you've got to like, we thought she did too much, you know?  Um, but looking back, I think she really is so grateful that she laid down her life. There's not regret.  And so, I'm like, well, maybe she was right all along. I don't know.   Laura Dugger: (38:23 - 38:58)  Good though. The both and to have seasons of that, where we can refresh so, that when we go into a season where it's a little bit prior, we can be serving hopefully still from the overflow. But you also just blew me away in the book with your knowledge on roots. And the subtitle of that chapter is "recipes, relics, relatives, and other things that keep kids grounded." So, will you just teach us a little bit more about roots and share how it applies to building a strong family?   Jessica Smartt: (39:00 - 40:51)  Yes, I would like to shout out to my husband who is in the landscaping business. So, he helped me. I was like, hey, can you please give me some fun facts about roots?  And he was thrilled. But um, one thing I mentioned is that most plant problems are caused by root issues. And gosh, have I seen that in real life, like even as an adult, you notice somebody that is carrying still issues that they're working through from their childhood. And so, what a gift we're giving our kids by giving them those strong, good roots and a healthy, you know, childhood to enter into adulthood, not crippled by things, but that they can give out of strength.   And my husband and I feel like, you know, although our families of origin were not perfect, we lived that story, we were able to go out in strength, and not, you know, carrying all this emotional baggage. That's what I would like to give my kids. So, um, but then yeah, at the end, I share that the most integral roots to the plant's wellbeing are the ones right near the surface. And I thought, what a kind of cool parallel that even if we, you know, I've shared about my experience, but someone listening may not have good roots, and they really might struggle with having support and partnership. But they can give a new story to their kids. They can give them the roots that they did not have through the Lord's strength.  And I have found friends that I'm literally seeing them do it. But they are they are crippled. And you know, in therapy and dealing with all this trauma, but they're passing a different story on to their kids.  And how cool is that? I have so much admiration for that. It seems like it's something that really only can be done through the Lord's strength, but he does it. He writes those stories.   Laura Dugger: (40:51 - 41:11)  And he seems to delight in redemption stories. So, I appreciate you sharing that. And I'd love to continue kind of this idea time. Will you just share another handful of your favorite practical tips for building a strong family that are topics we haven't covered yet?   Jessica Smartt: (41:13 - 43:16) Well, I would start with one thing I have seen huge rewards is if we do sort of like a secret Santa idea, and we actually do it also before Valentine's Day and do you know, your cupids arrow, whatever, because it just changes your whole mindset when you're suddenly thinking, how can I, you know, love this person in my family, you're in a better mood.  And so, we divide up names. And then we also do like acts of service. And that is just such a fun, like low keyway to kind of get your kids to think about loving their siblings instead of being annoyed by them. We have loved doing game nights, and we're not like big game people. But finding ones that I think my encouragement would be that it doesn't have to be like this long three-hour thing.   If your family's not into that, we've done like minute to win at games that I just pulled up online.  We have a lot of games that are like, no mental stress. They're very easy, like Slopsy. If anybody has not played Slopsy, they need to pick it up. It's you could play it if you were extremely tired, which I often am at the end of the day. So, to find some like quip, there's also what do you mean family edition.  And that is a fun one. And I have some other games listed in the book too, for readers who are interested. So, those would be two. We also do like one-on-one activities with the kids. And I always thought you had to do it like really, really regularly. But I would just give the encouragement that some is better than none. And so, even if it's only a couple times a year, kids just soak that up. And it doesn't need to be, you know, this whole long thing, it could be like, hey, you need some new winter pants. Let's get a Chick-fil-A milkshake beforehand. You know, just to kind of keep your eyes open for those activities and opportunities.   Laura Dugger: (43:17 - 43:47)  Guess what? We are no longer an audio only podcast. We now have video included as well. If you want to view the conversation each week, make sure you watch our videos. We're on YouTube and you can access videos or find answers to any of your other questions about the podcast when you visit thesavvysauce.com. Can you also share this genius idea about something that you put on the notes app of your phone?   Jessica Smartt: (43:48 - 44:50)  Yeah, so, I talked about the power of stories. Kids love hearing stories from our, you know, youth or young adulthood or even, you know, married years, whatever. So, I got in the habit of sharing a story with my daughter before bed. And of course, at night, you aren't always on your A game. So, I just have a note app on my phone to track different things that I might want to tell her. And my encouragement was that it doesn't need to be, we think it needs to be like this long, significant story, but even just little tidbits of things she has been delighted to hear over and over. You know, just like a passing, you know, anecdote that didn't seem to me to be too pregnant with meaning, but she just ate it up and loved hearing about all of the different things. So, yeah, that was just again, it didn't cost a lot. It's not hard, but just a little thing that kind of connected us and also connected her to a deeper sense of like, here's your roots of the people that raised you.   Laura Dugger: (44:53 - 45:36) I loved that idea because my daughters or our daughters will just catch us off guard and say, hey, share a story about us share a story about when you were little or when I was little. And so, I love your system that you have in place that when that idea comes to me, I can jot it down. And then when they ask unexpectedly, I'm prepared.  So, thought that was wonderful. And you've written an entire book on memories. So, I'll link to our previous episode where we talk about that.  And we dove into that topic. But you've updated your ideas in this book and come up with the most epic list of memory making ideas ever. So, could you just share a couple of those to give us a taste of what you include?   Jessica Smartt: (45:37 - 46:43) Yes, so, I think my favorite was at the end the chapter talking about surprises because I love the idea of surprising your kid. And when I talked about when I was little, my grandparents showed up at our school in their RV to take us camping. So, just thinking through like just different, a lot of those are like the big, you know, birthday or vacation or Christmas gifts. But even if you did it just one time, that's like a that can be like a core memory in you know, your kid's life.   When I was researching this, for the appendix, I reached out to a lot of my readers, and they had the most fun ideas of just creative family memory making things. And one that I remembered that I thought, I don't know if I have the guts to do this, but I think that this family came up with it during COVID. So, they were a little bit bored, and they packed a picnic and went to a stop sign. And when they got to one, they would roll a dice to see which direction they would turn until they ended up at a good picnic spot. She said it was harder than you would think.   Laura Dugger: (46:45 - 47:02)  That's hilarious. I love the creativity and that element of surprise. That is so, good. Well, I hope that everybody goes out to get a copy of your amazing book. But where else would you want to direct us to connect online after this chat?   Jessica Smartt: (47:03 - 47:15)  Yeah, definitely come say hi on Instagram. I'm Jessica Smartt with two Ts. And you can tell me what you enjoyed about our conversation. And I'm usually every so, often we'll check the messages, but I do get back to you.   Laura Dugger: (47:16 - 47:34)  Love it. We'll add links to that in the show notes for today's episode. And Jessica, you're already familiar that we're called The Savvy Sauce because savvy is synonymous with practical. And so, my final question for you today, what is your savvy sauce?   Jessica Smartt: (47:36 - 48:09)So, what has changed my life, I really think is, and this isn't like the most exciting thing, but walking every single day, and I walk with my weighted vest. So, I look like every other 40-year-old woman that is out there. We have a little trail around our farm. So, I, it's, I honestly have like seen so, much change in my mental health and physical health. And I know they say that on all of these, you know, resources and stuff. And I never thought it was true. But it really has changed my life just to walk every day.   Laura Dugger: (48:11 - 52:21)  Amen, sister, I totally agree with that. That is so, well said. You are just a brilliant and faithful and godly and humble woman. You're gifted with your communication with your words in this conversation and in the books that you've shared with the world.  And I am just so grateful for you, Jessica. Thank you so much for being my guest today.  Well, thank you for those kind words.   One more thing before you go, have you heard the term gospel before? It simply means good news. And I want to share the best news with you, but it starts with the bad news.   Every single one of us were born sinners, but Christ desires to rescue us from our sin, which is something we cannot do for ourselves. This means there's absolutely no chance we can make it to heaven on our own. So, for you and for me, it means we deserve death, and we can never pay back the sacrifice we owe to be saved.   We need a savior, but God loved us so much. He made a way for his only son to willingly die in our place as the perfect substitute. This gives us hope of life forever in right relationship with him.   That is good news. Jesus lived the perfect life. We could never live and died in our place for our sin.   This was God's plan to make a way to reconcile with us so that God can look at us and see Jesus. We can be covered and justified through the work Jesus finished. If we choose to receive what he has done for us, Romans 10:9 says, “that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”   So, you pray with me now. Heavenly father, thank you for sending Jesus to take our place. I pray someone today right now is touched and chooses to turn their life over to you.   Will you clearly guide them and help them take their next step in faith to declare you as Lord of their life? We trust you to work and change lives now for eternity. In Jesus name we pray.   Amen. If you prayed that prayer, you are declaring him for me. So, me for him, you get the opportunity to live your life for him.   And at this podcast, we're called The Savvy Sauce for a reason. We want to give you practical tools to implement the knowledge you have learned. So, you're ready to get started.   First, tell someone, say it out loud, get a Bible. The first day I made this decision, my parents took me to Barnes and Noble and let me choose my own Bible. I selected the Quest NIV Bible and I love it.   You can start by reading the book of John. Also get connected locally, which just means tell someone who's a part of a church in your community that you made a decision to follow Christ. I'm assuming they will be thrilled to talk with you about further steps such as going to church and getting connected to other believers to encourage you.   We want to celebrate with you too. So, feel free to leave a comment for us here. If you did make a decision to follow Christ, we also have show notes included where you can read scripture that describes this process.   And finally, be encouraged. Luke 15:10 says, “in the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” The heavens are praising with you for your decision today.   And if you've already received this good news, I pray you have someone to share it with. You are loved and I look forward to meeting you here next time.

Why do so many Christians start strong—only to slowly settle into comfort, distraction, and spiritual compromise? In today's MY Devotional, Dr. Michael Youssef reminds us that believers are citizens of the City of God, living temporarily in the City of Man with a mission: to urge the lost to turn from sin and receive eternal life in Jesus Christ. Yet many who once lived with heaven in view end up falling in love with the very world they were sent to reach. Dr. Youssef unpacks five reasons this spiritual drift happens—and how to guard your heart: A false view of heaven that makes eternity seem dull instead of glorious, Worldly pressures (pain, loss, responsibilities) that steal your focus, Living by sight, where the visible crowds out what's eternal, Muddled teaching that confuses self-sacrifice with self-satisfaction, False doctrine that blurs the Truth about salvation, heaven, and hell—draining urgency from the Christian race. This episode will help you regain eternal perspective, recognize subtle distractions, and live with a clear-eyed passion for Christ—serving faithfully now while remembering the better City that is to come. Scripture Focus: Hebrews 13:14 Go deeper: Dr. Youssef's sermon series Unholy Alliance of the Antichrist (Watch Now | Listen Now) The voice you hear on the MY Devotional podcast is digitally generated with Dr. Youssef's permission. If today's devotional stirred a question, burden, or need for prayer, you don't have to walk through it alone.

Sunday Sermon, February 15, 2026 Text: Luke 20:19-40 Preacher: Matthew Price

Persecution is rising globally—but so is the Church. In this compelling episode, Ryan Brown, CEO of Open Doors U.S., reveals what Christians around the world are facing today and how God is powerfully moving in the midst of suffering. Learn why persecuted believers don't ask for persecution to end—but instead ask for prayer to remain faithful to Jesus. Their courage exposes the comforts that can quietly weaken Western faith. Be encouraged, challenged, and equipped to join God's mission through prayer and solidarity with the global church.

This is an episode I got convicted DURING. Sometimes it feels like when it rains it pours. Life can be hard and sometimes it feels like everything goes wrong at once. It can be easy to feel discontent, overwhelmed, maybe even struggling to trust God. In this honest and vulnerable episode, I'm joined by my husband to talk about some of the things going on in our own lives lately (house issues, car trouble, high-risk pregnancy, etc.) and it's honestly affected our hearts, attitudes, and trust in God.  To be honest, we even get convicted DURING this conversation.  If you've been feeling overwhelmed, discontent, anxious, or spiritually drained, this conversation will encourage you to step back and see your circumstances through an eternal perspective. We talk about: Feeling covetousness and discontentment Overhelm Trusting God with everything from small hiccups to tragic suffering How an eternal perspective shifts EVERYTHING This is one of those conversations we know we'll come back to again and again—and we pray it encourages you wherever you are today. LINKS: Dollar Days Sale at Daily Grace Co! Use code MEGANHOLMES10 for an extra 10% off: https://thedailygraceco.com?dt_id=293954 Hosanna Revival Sale! Use code SHELIVESPURPOSEFULLY for an extra 10% off: https://hosannarevival.com/shelivespurposefully ___ Christian podcast, trusting God, fighting discontentment, Christian marriage, overwhelmed Christian, eternal perspective, faith in hard times, Christian encouragement, trusting God in difficult seasons Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Most of us use faith for today's needs — breakthrough, healing, provision, and direction. But Scripture calls believers to something deeper: a faith anchored in eternity. In this powerful and eye-opening message, Pastor Marion Dalton teaches how developing eternal faith transforms how we handle pressure, suffering, fear, loss, and uncertainty. Using Scripture from 2 Corinthians 4, Hebrews 11, John 14, Colossians 3, and Romans 8, this sermon reveals how focusing on the unseen, eternal realm unlocks peace, confidence, purpose, and spiritual endurance. When heaven becomes real, temporary problems lose their control.

How should a Christian view money and wealth? Is it a blessing or a sinful temptation? Join us as we walk through a Biblical perspective on wealth in the Church.

Series - The Parables of Jesus: Stories That Shape the Kingdom Heart - Pastor Russ Atter

Most of us live with urgency—but that urgency is usually tied to what's temporary. In this message, we're invited to lift our eyes beyond today and rediscover the power of living with eternity in view. Scripture reminds us that God has set eternity in the human heart, and when we forget that truth, we risk missing what God wants to do in and through our lives. Drawing from Scripture, church history, and the teachings of Jesus, this message explores why renewal and revival often fade when eternity becomes blurry. While salvation is a free gift of grace, our lives still carry eternal weight. Faithfulness, obedience, and stewardship matter—not to earn salvation, but because our choices echo forever. You'll hear why grace empowers obedience, why God values faithfulness over visibility, and how even unseen acts of obedience are remembered and rewarded by God. Jesus doesn't measure success the way the world does—He asks one question: What did you do with what I entrusted to you? This message isn't meant to produce fear, guilt, or pressure—it's meant to bring clarity. When eternity becomes clear, life becomes focused. If you've felt distracted, weary, or unsure of your purpose, this message will help realign your heart with what truly lasts and inspire you to live today in light of forever. What we do in this life echoes into eternity.

On today's Bible Answer Man broadcast, Hank says a few words about having an eternal perspective and how to develop one.Hank also answers the following questions:Can you clarify your view of the creation account and whether Adam was created with the appearance of age? James - St. Louis, MO (3:24)If Jesus became sin per 2 Corinthians 5:21, does that mean for a moment God hated Jesus because God hates sin? Jordan - KS (15:44)Why did God reject the sacrifice of Cain but accepted the sacrifice of Abel? Was it the blood? Patsy - Bradford, AZ (20:36)

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On today's Bible Answer Man broadcast (01/05/26), Hank says a few words about having an eternal perspective and how to develop one.Hank also answers the following questions:Can you clarify your view of the creation account and whether Adam was created with the appearance of age? James - St. Louis, MO (3:24)Does God punish nations today for not supporting Israel? Jeff (15:11)Do you believe that God is not willing to heal everybody? Joshua - Charlotte, NC (19:45)What Bible version would you recommend for studying? Andy - Austin, MN (23:23)

When depression shapes the life of the person you love the most, will your faith hold—or begin to break under the pressure?In this week's episode of Latter-Day Lights, Scott and Emily sit down with Amanda Harms — a counselor, mother of six, and newly minted PhD in social psychology — to share her personal journey through supporting a spouse living with chronic depression.With mental illness and frayed communication leading to years of financial hardship, cross-country moves, spiritual denial, and seasons of uncertainty in her marriage, Amanda reflects on how compassion, understanding, and Christlike love slowly transformed the way she perceived her husband and herself.Through stories of resilience, motherhood, and the concept of “eternal perspective,” Amanda's journey invites listeners to consider what long-term endurance really looks like — not as a single turning point, but as years of small choices to remain faithful, present, and compassionate. It's a reminder that while answers don't always come quickly, the Lord walks with us through the slow, sacred process of becoming.*** Please SHARE Amanda's story and help us spread hope and light to others. ***To WATCH this episode on YouTube, visit: https://youtu.be/GukEY_jB1-k -----To READ Amanda's book, "Breaking Free from the Shame of Addiction," visit: https://a.co/d/jawXlJTTo READ Scott's new book “Faith to Stay” for free, visit: https://www.faithtostay.com/-----Keep updated with us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/latter.day.lights/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/latterdaylightsAlso, if you have a faith-promoting or inspiring story, or know someone who does, please let us know by going to https://www.latterdaylights.com and reaching out to us.

This episode of Uncommon Sense with Ginny Robinson takes a hard look at the growing contradictions surrounding Erika Kirk and the direction of TPUSA's AmFest (or should I say IsFest). From Charlie Kirk's own recorded warnings about bad cultural role models to TPUSA turning around and platforming those very same celebrities (Nicki Minaj included) whose lifestyles openly contradict Christian teaching, the hypocrisy is no longer ignorable.We're breaking down how moral inconsistency, pop-culture appeasement, and ideological confusion are rotting the conservative movement from the inside out. America First cannot exist without Christianity first—not as a buzzword, not as branding, but as the moral and cultural foundation of who we are. And right now, we are watching our spiritual and national identity slip away in real time.When so-called Christian leaders blur lines, excuse the very behavior they once condemned, and choose influence over truth, they don't just lose credibility, they lose the plot (and they lose the people who trusted them).This episode is a call for honesty, consistency, and real conservative leadership rooted in the Christian values they claim to stand for. Not clout, not platforms, and not sinful worldliness.We don't need people playing leaders.We need actual leadership.—https://www.bible.com/

By: Dr E. Allen Griffith. This is the two hundred and thirteenth episode of By the Book! Listening to this could change your life! New episodes every Friday!

In this episode of Uncommon Sense, I'm discussing my changing views on Israel, Donald Trump, and Candace Owens and why principles grounded in Scripture must always matter more than personalities.I'll discuss how easy it is to get swept up in political figures, influencers, and movements… all while forgetting that God alone is who we should be following. The devil is just like a stalker prowling around, watching, scheming, seeking someone to devour. And in these chaotic times, he's using deception, manipulation, and emotional brainwashing to pull people into confusion and ultimately into Hell.In this episode, we're talking about how the synagogue of Satan is operating openly today, pushing narratives meant to distract and divide. I am urging my listeners to stay anchored in the Word, remain spiritually alert, and refuse to be seduced by personalities, platforms, or “conservative celebrities” who very well may not be aligned with God's truth.Ultimately, we all need to return to the Bible (now more than ever) and to guard our minds and souls as the days grow darker and darker.--https://www.bible.com/

Imagine being unjustly imprisoned for months, watching your family and people suffer, and asking the piercing question: "O God, where art thou?" The revelations given to Joseph Smith in the darkest dungeon of his life are some of the most beautiful and powerful in all scripture. Summary: In this profound episode, we explore the transcendent revelations of Doctrine and Covenants 121, 122, and 123, written from the confines of Liberty Jail. D&C 121: The Power of Righteousness. We delve into Joseph's heartfelt plea, "How long shall thy hand be stayed?" The Lord answers with a staggering lesson: authority and power are inseparably connected with the principles of righteousness. We analyze the fatal trap of "unrighteous dominion"—covering our sins, gratifying pride, and exercising compulsion—which instantly causes the heavens to withdraw. Crucially, we learn the six principles of Godly Influence: persuasion, long-suffering, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, and kindness. This section is a master class in Christlike leadership. D&C 122: Eternal Perspective in Suffering. The Lord reassures Joseph: "My son, peace be unto thy soul." He validates every trial Joseph has faced, from false accusations to the "jaws of hell," and promises that "all these things shall give thee experience, and shall be for thy good." This section confirms that the "Son of Man hath descended below them all," granting Him perfect knowledge to comfort us in our extremities. D&C 123: The Duty to Record. Finally, we discuss the duty to collect a "catalog of catastrophes" detailing the Saints' sufferings and abuses. This was not for vengeance, but to "leave the whole nation without excuse" and to help those who are "kept from the truth because they know not where to find it." The lesson culminates with the principle of total effort: "cheerfully do all things that lie in our power; and then may we stand still, with the utmost assurance, to see the salvation of God." Call-to-Action: What principle from D&C 121 is helping you the most right now? Share your thoughts in the comments below! If this discussion brought peace to your soul, please like this video, subscribe to the channel, and hit the notification bell to stay "Unshaken" in your faith. Chapter Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 4:55 Divine Hiddenness 15:47 Hitting Rock Bottom 29:19 Damning the River & Praying for Rain 40:48 Unrighteous Dominion 54:25 Godly Influence 1:12:36 A Catalog of Catastrophes 1:26:08 Work and then Wait 1:35:19 One-Liners