The EPIC Journey

Feeling a little beat down by the past year, I realize the need to let go of what no longer serves to make space for what is to come.

This is the season to make space. Clearing out the old to allow what's still just seeds below the surface to take root and bloom in the spring.

In the middle of winter it's easy to get discouraged and forget this is just a season. Find that inner summer that will remind you of what's to come and give you the strength to just keep going.

Create your vision for 2022. Give yourself permission to dream and then grab your poster board, old magazines, markers and glue sticks and create a Vision Board to guide you through 2022. 

Patanjali spoke of being inspired by some great purpose. He promised in that state, your consciousness would expand, you'd transcend limitations, and find new talents. That sounds great, but many of us feel stuck in second gear, trying to find our flow. In this episode I give you a process to create the momentum needed for an EPIC new year.

Do you need a coach, or a magician? Sometimes in one's desire to change they hire a coach without really being clear on what exactly a coach does. A coach can be the ace in your pocket to help you radically transform your life so that you can live in a way that gives you more fulfillment. But here's the thing, a coach isn't going to do the work for you while you sit on the couch and chill with Netflix. In this episode I give you a clear picture of what exactly working with a coach would be like. You ready?

As we prepare to mask up again, I've heard over and over from people that they are tired, burned out, stressed out and at their whits end. In this episode I share the tool to cultivate more resiliency, self-acceptance, compassion, expression and freedom.

Dee Bailey is the COO and Marketing Ninja @DanielleLaPorte. Passionate about content strategy, influencer marketing and editorial management. Put on this planet to provide robust solutions and innovative experiences to help make your brand bold+brilliant. I'm ridiculously innovative and a dedicated contributor that works closely with the team to define 'best in class' strategy, ideation, and execution.In this episode, Dee shares about her entrepreneurial journey , as well as tips and tools that allow her to catapult brands to new heights. Dee is a master innovator  who will inspire you to take action on your own dreams.

This episode is based on an encounter I had in January 2020. It made me realize the danger of putting the future of the industry in the hands of those with the largest marketing budget. The irony is those very same companies relied on individual teachers and small studios to begin to make a name for themselves in the industry. Yet where are they now that covid has hit and flipped the industry on its head? If you are an "ambassador" you're golden, or in this case yellow, like a lemon. But if you aren't in their chosen circle, look out. 

Laura Medlin, is a Marriage and Family therapist, as well as a 200 hr yoga teacher. Laura has endured more trauma than seems fair for one individual. From losing her Mom as a teenage, to a cancer diagnosis in her 20s to adoption and IVF followed by the death of her husband in her 30s.  Laura's story is one of resilience and carving out an empowering meaning, even in the most difficult circumstances.  

This 32 minute Yoga Nidra will guide you into a deeply relaxed state. Some say a Yoga Nidra is equivalent to 4 hours of sleep. You will feel deeply relaxed. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MEDITATION WHILE DRIVING!

This short 7 minute Body Scan will help you relax and regain your focus. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MEDITATION WHILE DRIVING!

This was originally recorded as a bonus for those who purchased our book, Million Dollar Moms. However in light of the stress in the world, I've decided to share it globally because the world can use a little less stress. : )

The practice of yoga has kept me from completely having a melt down over the last 7 months. Never in the 9 years my business has been open would I have ever guessed we would be forced to shut down for a major pandemic. Now, forced to reevaluate what it is that truly matters, and how to craft a path forward, I share my uncensored thoughts and learnings.  If you are wanting to try on the practice of yoga, check us out at www.epicyogaonline.com or send an email to Leanne@epicyogacenter.com.

  Pauline Caballero Meet P.  Or PC. @paulinecaballero is the co-founder of @poweryogacanada, a family of hot power yoga studios with the goal of creating a community centered around positive personal transformation. She played a pivotal role in bringing the practice of hot power yoga to Canada and has established PYC as a leader for hot power yoga classes, motivational workshops, and yoga teacher training. Her resume is bananas. Competitive Figure skater. Registered Holistic nutritionist.  Global Logistics & Supply Chain leader.  She travelled the world building Power Yoga's popularity. P will tell you her most pivotal role is as support to her husband Gerard as they together navigate raising their two boys, Jacob and Noah.Through PYC, Pauline leverages her vast knowledge of yoga and wellness in order to tap into the healing spirit of yoga and awaken the best in all of us. She believes that the mat is a space to breakdown and breakthrough; to venture to the edge and dare to jump; to discover what is truly possible. P's passion is coaching people as they navigate change and build a life they want.  In P's world, all is possible.  It's critically important that we learn how to shift gears purposefully and pivot to live a life that is prosperous inside YOU and outside in the real world. Her new book PIVOT: Five Practices to Strategize and Support You Through Change was recently released and is available anywhere books are sold.

Jen Zoe found her purpose leading transformational programs to allow people to embark on a journey of self discovery and healing thorough working with horses. She founded Zenerjen, her horse healing sanctuary, located just outside of Orlando, after attending a personal development event, she realizing the parallels and patterns between horses and humans were profound and needed to be brought together. Jen started to understand the deeper way that horses teach humans. After years of research and training, Jen launched Zenerjen and her Equine Assisted Empowerment programs to help transform lives through the spirit of the horse. You can find out more about Jen Zoe and Zenerjen at https://zenerjen.com  

TRANSCRIPT: Leanne Woehlke  So welcome, Jen Zoe, I am so excited to have you on the podcast. Thanks so much for being here. Tell us a little bit about your background. Jen Zoe  Oh, gosh, where should I start? Well, I was really good at the clarinet in seventh grade. No, just kidding.  My background well after... Really where to start is a little bit of a tough spot because I think the best place would be to start where I kind of had the inception of following my purpose. And that truthfully does take me way back to like my earliest childhood memory. I was four years old and I rode a Budweiser Clydesdale.You know, it's like animals like those guys are huge. And when you're for you know, my little legs, doing the splits, whatever, and little did I know that that would be a journey that would take me down 25 years later to owning my own horses and discovering my purpose through them and they would not just change my life but actually save it. So if you fast forward to that time in July 31 2004, I decided to quit smoking and you I mean, Leanne, you know me well enough like, smoking? What really? You did such a bizarre thing to even consider at this stage in my life, but it was like a massive gift to make that change because I rediscovered horses. I got back and you know, I got back into that whole concept and I bought my, You know, I got my own horses. And it took me down this journey of understanding how horses can heal people, and really come from that coming from that place. And I went to my first Tony Robbins experience, you know, for a personal development seminar, and I said, Oh my god, what he does with people I do with horses, it's the same thing. And then getting divorced and ending up like homeless and going through all these horrible, like really traumatic experiences, all in a very concentrated period of time. And my brother died of a drug overdose and my parents weren't talking to me, I mean, you could really just, you know, I sounded like a country song. And you know, that but can we play it reverse, you know, and that you get your dog back and you get house back and you get your wife back? Wait, you don't want her back... just kidding. But it's one of those things. So I found myself in this really dark place where I was binge drinking and cutting and and suffering at a very deep level. And if you ever known what a night terror was, you know, I didn't know and whatthat was, and then all of a sudden, there was one thing that I could go back to that made sense to me that wouldn't judge me. And I felt love and connection. And so I'd started developing programs based on my experience through personal development, Tony Robbins, and all the books I've read and healing practices and now doing theta healing pranic healing and feminine movement and all these things and created these all encompassing experiences based on how they healed me over the course of my life with them beginning when I was just like a little tot at four years old. Leanne Woehlke  Wow. What would you say? Because I think you know, gosh, you have such a varied background and you talk about finding your purpose. What advice would you give somebody who is trying to figure out what their purpose is? Jen Zoe  whoo Wow, that's that's a tough one. Well, it doesn't it.I will give them a piece of information to think about. And then a piece of advice to follow it with it with the first piece would be, it does not have to be painful. That would be my first piece of information because I went through it in a very painful way. And it's kind of like you know that kids story, "going on a bear hunt can't go over it can't go around it got to go through it." Yeah, that's that's BS. Can I say cuss words on here. That's bullshit. Yeah. So. So yeah, it's bullshit. You do not have to go through, like deep suffering in order to emerge into your life's purpose. It can be in front of you, in an elegance in grace. It can be like the flower that just blooms. It doesn't struggle to bloom, it just does. So it can come to you very naturally. So the piece of advice that I would give to someone that's like, that's kind of like Well, I don't know I don't understand is to just be Still, and like the advice we give little kids if they get lost in the mall, you know you don't say okay little kid if you get lost in the mall, go run around looking for your money. No, what do they tell you sit still, your mommy will come and find you. And so in the universal do the same thing if you get still and say no to all the strangers that show up in your world that tell you that they have a good place for you to go with them, you know, in the back of a car with their candy and their device, right? So don't go with the strangers with their great sales pitches. Sit still and wait for your mommy wait for the universe, wait for it. nature's greatest, greatest attribute is patience. And so if you are still and wait and just keep doing what you're doing, it will come. The answers will come. You have to just know how to say No, have a quality level of discernment and wait for your mommy to show up. Leanne Woehlke  I love that analogy. It is true I think that there's that bright shiny object and we're all looking for something and so we go searching, searching, searching and maybe this course or maybe that person has the answer, but really just trusting that the answers come. Jen Zoe  Yes, yes. Because when you're lost in the mall, and we've all had those moments where a little bit, you know, you're it's, it can be scary to just wait and trust it, you know, having faith and waiting for that discovery to to find you. You know, that takes a lot of courage. And, you know, I actually just did a live this morning about the difference between courage and confidence. You know, you may not be confident that you know, the answers will come to you. So, you know, sometimes you will stray and guess what, you end up with the, you know, the candy and it rots your teeth or it causes you pain or bankrupts your business or it puts you in the wrong relationship. But those kinds of things are the ones who go, okay, nope. Go back to source. And so those two things would be the biggest things is knowing this knowing one, if you wait and have the patience and the strength and fortitude to maintain courage, for what is coming to you, you will know in your heart of hearts, that the truth is finding you it's seeking you. And the more you're in alignment, the less you'll have to hustle. Leanne Woehlke  So what is what is one way that you keep yourself in alignment? Jen Zoe  Meditation and quality sleep and hanging out with my horses. That helps a lot. You know, that's, that's important. So hanging hanging out with the horses and just, you know, really visualizing what my purposes and the people, you know, actually, let me put it this way. What really gets me is that when I Have someone have a breakthrough? an emergence complete transformation in a moment with one of my horses right that's it man that is the juice and that is like freakin nitrus it's it's like, you know, it's just that is jet fuel for my for my heart, for my soul. It feeds my soul it just it powers me up like a wonder to empower activate, you know this that's what it is it's just so juicy to me to see someone go, "Oh my god! Now I understand why my husband and I've been struggling" Thank you Dante Thank you trace one of my horses will give that message to them, you know and when I see those moments where the spark you know, the synapse occurs in the in the moment happens, man there is nothing like that. Nothing like that. Leanne Woehlke  Well, that is huge. Jen Zoe  Yes. They don't call it horsepower for nothing. Leanne Woehlke  Oh, thanks so much Jen for this quick session I, know the listeners will enjoy.  Jen Zoe  Thank you. And if I can interrupt here, can I plug here? Can I say is Zenerjen? Zenerjen. Z-E-N-E-R-J-E-N. That's like Zen energy. And I'm Jen. And you can reach me at if you just Google that and it'll come right pop up there. And I'm Jen. Zoe. Thank you so much for hosting. www.zenerjen.com 

Amy  Van Slambrook is a trauma and relationship psychotherapist and coach. She has studied with the foremost experts in trauma, relationships, faith, functional nutrition and brain health. Through her process of going deep into the messages of core unhealed traumatic wounds, she identifies what's holding people back to finally allow them to have a long sought after breakthrough and finally heal. Raised as a minister's daughter in the Midwest, Amy knew since she was nine that she had a God-given vision to help people and lots of passion to make it a reality no matter what it took. Trauma kept her silent about it for nearly 25 years. Childhood sexual abuse, rape, emotional abuse, anorexia divorce, losing her corporate job and multiple chronic health issues that nearly took her life. But she never gave up and soon living in the silence of a small life was unbearable. She went from working in a cubicle to a corporate executive, to losing her job to building a six figure coaching and therapy practice over the last 10 years. For 15 years, Amy has worked to personally heal her own traumas through therapy and coaching while working as a healthcare executive. She also went through world class education and training to help others do the same. Amy's on a mission to break the silence of trauma for women and couples all over the world and make people stronger because of it. through online therapy, coaching, masterminds and groups, she's making that childhood God-given mission a reality, leading thousands of women and couples into the amazing lives. They were meant to live. 

Putting something out in the world takes guts. What is it you feel called to do? In this episode I share a bit of the behind the scenes process of writing The Million Dollar Moms book. This book was co-written by 10 amazing authors, 6 moms, 4 daughters. #girlpower 

 You can learn more about Carla at: www.carlawhite.org Or on her podcast, Radical Shift. TRANSCRIPT: Leanne Woehlke  So welcome to the podcast Carla. It is an honor to have you here. Tell us a little bit about your entrepreneurial journey. Carla White  Yeah. So it started when I was living over in London. And it was not the best experience to say the least. I had a lot in savings and it was going away quickly. It was super stressful. I think the biggest mistake I was doing is I was still going about entrepreneurship as if I was in a corporation as an employee. And not, for example, not making quick decisions, but you know, going with my gut instinct, not doing tons of marketing, not making big offers. So I was playing kind of small. And that job went to the wayside. And I got a regular job again, I got an became a W-2 again. And then through some, some personal events, ended up keeping a gratitude journal to help me with depression. And it helped so much that I thought, why isn't everybody doing this? It's so darn simple. It's so effective. Why isn't everybody doing this? And that's about the time that the iPhone came out. And I thought, well, I'll make an iPhone app and figured it out. It wasn't easy, but I did it. And it's been on the App Store for like, well over 10 years now and doing good. I mean, just a one person shop, too just me. Leanne Woehlke  Wow, how did you have any technical background or how did you decide, "Oh, I'm gonna make an app."? Carla White  Yeah, so I did have texted background. I have a master's in Information Systems been dealing with computers ever since they came out. And, I was a programmer in a former life, a very bad one. But I also worked on software projects. So I knew the basics of developing software. Now, I also knew design, I knew website design as far as not making them websites pretty but making them functional. How do you make them usable? And so I was trying to take what I learned from web design and from software development and apply it to making apps, but honestly, it's a totally different ballgame. Because the screens are smaller, the way people interact with them. It's different Apple, I didn't even have an Apple product except for like those little iPod shuffles so I was in the Microsoft world. So it was a huge learning curve. Leanne Woehlke  So, It's amazing how long did it take you to go from the idea like, hey, this gratitude thing would be a great idea to actually having your app on the market. Carla White  Well, it took me I think, probably about five or six months. Now, the SDK, the software development kit for creating apps on the iPhone was really simple back then, you know, there wasn't a lot to it. So creating apps was simple, because there wasn't a lot of features like you weren't pinching, you weren't doing all these different things. So it's a lot more complicated, meaning making apps is a lot more complicated, but whareally was the hiccups in the road, whereas I tried to hire somebody to do the design. And let's face it, apps just came on the market. Nobody knew how to design apps. And so half of my budget went to this guy to design it, and what he brought back was horrible. It was awful. So then I invested in Photoshop courses and learning how to create UI myself. And the other half of my budget went towards a developer. And he, halfway through the project said, I don't think this is gonna work. I think apps are a fly by night thing. And they're going to be over by next year. Nobody's going to be using them. And that was like in 2008. So then I was really devastated. And I didn't have any money left. And so I thought, well, what am I going to do? And I thought, well, let's see if you can take what you've learned and apply it to somebody else's project. So I went out to one of these outsourcing websites, Upwork, something like that. And lo and behold, there were developers on that site for iOS, which surprised me because like, it was so new, and I met a guy in India, who built it out for me and he was just amazing. He was great. And the whole thing cost in the end to him was like 500 bucks. Leanne Woehlke  Wow. You were the first female to get an app in the App Store. Carla White  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There was no other women in the marketplace at all, which I think I stuck out quite a bit because of that. And so, when I think back, I mean, there were only blogs, and there was a little bit of Twitter, like some people were using Twitter. Facebook wasn't a thing, you know, Instagram, none of these social platforms Medium, none of these social platforms existed. So I would tweet out, you know, who's making apps out there? Where my app developers and I'd get connected with certain people and that's how I met a lot of people was through Twitter, or just writing to them on their blog. So there were a few people blogging about it, maybe two or three. Leanne Woehlke  When you were developing your app for you doing it against like the clock like hey, nobody has done this as a female yet. I'm going to try to get this out there before Carla White  Was more against the budget. Cuz, you know, I went down to zero I was able to put a little bit more in and you know, like how much do I have left and basically stripping out features trying to just fit within what I had in my bank account. Because mind you, I had a failed business behind me. And I didn't have a lot left in savings. So,  I couldn't gamble a lot, which was a good thing. It forced me to be frugal and to learn a lot and to figure things out, which was really good, because then I started an app agency after that, and you know, and gave me tons of skills. I wrote a book about how to make apps, but against the clock, not really, I saw people producing apps and the success of those apps, and that was very motivating. But in truth, I was thinking if one person gets this app and they don't go through what I went through mentally, then it'll be worth it. So I wasn't really thinking how can I make my money back? Leanne Woehlke  Right. Or even like the realization like, "Hey, there hasn't been another woman do this. This might be interesting." Carla White  Yeah. Cuz they were gonna go apps are going away in a year, right? Leanne Woehlke  Do you have that guy's number still just to email him? Carla White  Yeah, we're still friends creating apps for quite a few years. Leanne Woehlke  Okay, good. Good. It's kind of funny, you know, when you hear something like that in our world is so different. Carla White  Yeah, right. I know. And it's interesting, who gives you advice and what you actually listen to. I'm very careful about that these days now. Leanne Woehlke  My rule of thumb is only listen to the person if they've done it. Like, they don't get an opinion otherwise, Carla White  yeah. Leanne Woehlke  What's the number one mistake entrepreneurs make? Carla White  Oh my gosh, I think it's more so doubting themselves, not taking the action. Giving up. I'm going to speak specifically with apps because I work with so many entrepreneurs who make apps, I think the number one mistake they make is they don't put enough time, consideration, and research into their app idea. They just come up with this app idea. They hire somebody to design it out, and then they plow ahead and build it out. And they don't even spend like 100 bucks on downloading apps and seeing what's already out there. They all tell me, there's nobody else out there. And then when I asked, well, who's your target market, they say, everybody, and I just think, okay, you're gonna fail with both those suggestions. It just tells me you didn't do your research because there's over, I don't know, 100,000,000, 300 500 million apps out there. There's something similar by this point. And for you to think that there's nothing else out there tells me you didn't do your research. And, then to say that you want to serve everybody tells me that your idea isn't an app idea. It's a software, it's like for a PC or for computer. Apps are very small, tiny little bytes of activity on your phone. And unless you're Facebook, you know, they're not really much more than that. They're not supposed to be needy. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. And that's, you know, that's so true is really knowing your market, and understanding what your idea is specifically, and niching it down. How did you, you know, when you came up with this idea, how did you say like, this is the thing that I'm going to pursue? I know you talked a little bit about your own personal journey, but how did you know inside yourself that that was the path to take? Carla White  Well, my depression got pretty bad. So my dad passed away when I was living in London. I was having this failed business, and wasn't dealing with any of the stress at all. I was numbing myself either through binge drinking, eating whatever, TV, working. And at one point, my husband was really scared, and he said, it's time for us to go back to the States, so you can be closer to your family. And that made it worse because then I had culture shock failed business,  Winter, you know, like all sorts of other things and add it to worse I ended up in the hospital with double pneumonia. Because all that stress manifests in your your body. And the doctor said, "Here's something for your depression and your pneumonia." And nobody ever said I had depression until that point. And, it hit me. It just it was such a wake up call. And you know, I did what everybody else does when they have a big wake up call like that. You go to Google, and you search for the answer to your problems. And in that search result, there was a story about these people. They didn't call it a gratitude journal. They just said that they focused on what was best in their life, and they kept writing about it. And they made it like their center point, like all their pictures and everything in their life. And I thought, yeah, you know, I've been in this negative feedback loop. Because I blamed myself for my dad's untimely passing. I was home in the States. I saw him just before he passed. And, I noticed something was off, but I didn't say anything to anybody. And, I kept quiet. So I blamed myself for not saying anything. And, so I carried that guilt around. And, when I read this article, and I'm like, Yeah, I've been focusing on what I did wrong instead of what I'm doing, right. And, so I just started keeping a journal. And, about two months into keeping that journal, I was out for a walk, going through things I was going to put in my journal because I didn't want to have to think about it later. It's like, Okay, I'm going to write about how I got a job offer from NASA. I lost some weight. I slept really good last night. You know, I was going through all these things in my head, when it hit me that my life did a complete 180 from just a couple months earlier. And I thought, well, what did I do? Like, what pill did I take, and I was going through everything in my head. And then I landed on that journal. And, I just thought this is so simple. Like, I've got to tell the world about it. I remember exactly where I was at. And one of the first things I thought of doing was writing a book. But I also realized that all the books that I read, nothing really stuck. Like you'd read a good self help book and self development book. And, you feel good in the moment of reading it, but then a week later, it'd be like, okay, I was gonna do all this stuff. So I thought, well, I and I had my little iPod Shuffle in my hand. I said, Well, Steve Jobs just came out with the iPhone. The SDK is coming out. I'm gonna make an app. I'm just gonna do it. And it was so crazy because I live in South Dakota. Okay, that's one thing. I'm like, as far away from anybody who knows how to make apps as possible. And, I was working for a government agency that was in a building like area 51. Like it was out in the country, and in the middle of cornfields, and no internet access. So, not only was I geographically isolated, but like also from the internet all day long. So, I had to get up really early before going into my day job at like, 4:00 in the morning. I'd get up, do research on my computer, figure things out, download all the tools, play with them trying to figure all this out. And, then I go into my day job, and then I come home and I'd work on it at night and in the mornings and on weekends. And, I did that for four or five months. And then at the time back then when apps were new, you submitted your app to Apple, and then you just waited, and your wait could be like a month long. And, then they could come back with "Oh, well. We didn't like this part of your app. You'll have to fix it." So, then you it takes you like five minutes to fix it, but you go to the back of the line. And, it could take another month before it got approved. So, you just hold your breath. And, when it got approved, it was boom, right out to the App Store. Now, you can tell Apple don't release it right away. Say "Well, I want to release it on this certain day." So, when it was approved, all of a sudden it was like five in the morning. I was getting up, getting ready to do the next thing. And, I got the email from Apple saying your app is on the App Store. I fainted. I was so excited. Leanne Woehlke  And, then did you keep your job after that? Or did you leave or what was next? Carla White  It was interesting because Twitter was the only thing then. I had about 20 Twitter followers, and all of a sudden that day I was getting all these Twitter followers. Because I also had a blog, and I was writing about the experience. I was writing about my dad. I was writing about keeping a gratitude journal I was writing about yoga. I was writing about all these different things I was doing to help my life, and I didn't even have like a Google tracker on that to see how many views I had on the blog. I was so green. I was just putting stuff out there, and like, whatever. So anyway, that day I released, my Twitter followers were just like, blowing up. I was getting all these messages. And, then I started to get messages from major media. It started with USA Today wanted to interview me. Radio stations all over the world from BBC to like, some little podunk radio station in Oregon. Yeah, okay all sorts of media were contacting me, and it was just an all these news outlets for years. And, I mean, like for good 5-10 years. But it was probably out on the market for I think six months at least, before I quit my day job, if not a year. So, it was out there for a while. And, then people, well, then what was happening was people were writing to me asking me, how do I make an app? So, I'd write these really long, complicated emails back. And, then I thought, okay, there's an easier way to do this. And, I took all those answers. And, I compiled them into an ebook, and put the ebook out there, which was titled, "Inside Secrets To An iPhone App." And, put that out on E junkie and was making like $6k a month on downloads from that alone. And, from that, I started an app agency because people were telling me well, I want you to make it and so I had an app agency for a while I still do but now I do apps by application only. So at the time, it was like whoever wants an app. Yeah, I'll make an app, you're a trucker whatever. And, now I make apps that are a lead magnets for funnels. So that's, I think, an untapped niche. That's really good because people are saying nobody downloads apps. Nobody uses them anymore. But, I think people still download apps, my app gets downloaded dozens of times a day, if not over 1000 times a day sometimes. And,you need to think of a bigger picture, not just making your revenues in the App Store, like taking that customer on a journey. And keep serving them keep nurturing them and using the app as a way for them to find you. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, that's brilliant. My cousin wrote a book and it was a successful book. It was published by Hay House. She won awards for it, but then it kind of just falls off. There's nothing beyond that. Carla White  Yeah, and I think books and apps, they go good together. So if you have a successful book idea, then you can, you know, marry the two and, and keep them living longer. Now, to use an app as a lead magnet. The features need to be super simple. I think one thing people when they have an app idea, and pretty much everybody I coached has wanted to put in all these additional unnecessary features to make it Kapow make it awesome. But apps success comes down to 80% of x, success comes down to a good design and marketing that has been really thought through. So basically telling stories that go with your app. And that's what what makes an app successful. Not a ton of features, trying to appeal to everybody in the marketplace. Leanne Woehlke  That makes sense to me. It's just more things to update to or even more things to break Carla White  Correct. Yeah, it takes longer to get your app to maket, and like, more money to sustain it. And also people want less choices. They want it simple. They don't want a lot of selection to go by. Anything that interferes with them getting the result of the app is just making it more unnecessarily complicated. Leanne Woehlke  Okay, so I have to ask when you said that you used to create all of these crazy apps, what was the craziest app you were ever asked to create? Carla White  Oh my gosh, I get that all the time. And there's a quite a few. So there was one that was a kitty alarm. So it was just kitty cat sound. Kitty, like a meow cat is the was all designed like a cat. And it was for people who missed their cats while they were traveling. And their cats would wake them up. And so this way, you could have a cat wake you up,and you could record your own cat or we have selection of already pre recorded cats. I loved that one. That one was great, because then, like the marketing on that was so easy because cats rule the internet don't say, well, it's really fun. Um, but I think one of the worst ideas was and unfortunately, it was created not by this man, but by somebody else was an anonymous app where you could post pictures of social seeds. And so I did not want to create it because I was just thinking, if it's anonymous, and somebody goes into a bathroom and post pictures and people like women and bathroom like No, I don't want to be a part of all this. You know, who knows what'll go out on the internet with that if everybody can be hidden behind the wall, and so that was one of the worst ideas ever came across. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I'll agree with that one. How do you think people can find their calling? Carla White  Yeah, you know, I love this question because I personally don't think that there's like this one big grand calling. I think there's a little light for each stepping stone along the way. And you pay attention to that light, and not so much what everybody else thinks you're supposed to be doing. And that's your calling, like listening to your own heart, listening to yourself. And to have that big overview of what you're going to do with your whole life. I think that's impossible to know. I think that's almost daunting. Okay, first of all, I grew up on a farm, where I was blessed enough to have a mom who was kind of cutting edge and she got a computer when they first came out, but for somebody to say, hey, you're going to create software that's going to go on a computer. hat fits in your hand. No way would I even dream of that, you know, I thought best I would be as a lawyer, maybe a judge that was like the top careers that I could have. But I, I think like for us to understand what our overall callings are, especially in a world that changes so quickly, I mean, more quickly than our minds can keep up with it daunting to see that picture. So what is it that draws your curiosity and how can you nurture it? And how does that how does that overlap with market demand? Because there has to be a market demand for it. And when there's a market demand, and it piqued your curiosity and your passion and you're master of it, and you can charge money for it, and money is the fertilizer on it, then it just keeps growing and growing and growing. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, that's good. I know my daughter school just had a career day for the eighth graders. She was looking at all of the job options. And she's like, Mom, this is like all they're offering like, there's nothing on here I'm interested in. I was like, Yes, that's good. News, right. But it was the same jobs that they had a career fair 35 years ago when I did it. Carla White  Yeah, right. Isn't that something else? I think asking kids like, do you want to be a policeman or a fireman or whatever, like you? My son recently downloaded the life game for the iPad, which is very different than the board game. somewhat similar, but the top paying job was a brain surgeon. But I thought well, is there an entrepreneur in that game because then you can do whatever you want. Like that's where your creativity is genius you can make unlimited money. But whether you like a lawyer or a doctor When you're tied to that dollar per hour, income, then you're capped you're because there's only so many hours in a lifetime. Leanne Woehlke  Right and then you're trading your your life away. Yeah, a lot of the people that I work with are people who kind of get this niggly idea somewhere, you know, in their late 40s or so sometimes earlier, like, gosh, my life doesn't have like the juice, I thought it would, and they want to then take a new direction. So it is looking at like, Okay, well, what can I do? How can I figure that out? Carla White  Yes, yeah. Yeah. And here's the thing to anybody who has that pull it their heart. Like Colonel Sanders from KFC chicken. He had $500 if that 50 bucks I don't know. His government pension from retiring from Being a restaurant chef, that's all he had in his pocket. He took that money made up some chicken when door to door sold, it died a billionaire. And he was 65 or 70 when he started grandma Moses, she created her first paintings when she was well into her 70s and then ended up selling them for millions. So you know, this idea that we have this clock inside of us and we went past some sort of expiration date of where the society needs our ideas has to end that's,  there's no age on ideas as far as who can generate them. Whether you're young, like my son, he has businesses or older and you can start at any point, it's believing and having the confidence not just in yourself, but in the universe that it will come together. Leanne Woehlke  How do you think you cultivate that belief? Carla White  You got to take the chance. You can't stay in a comfort zone, that's for sure. If you're in a comfort zone, if you're not going outside of that comfort zone, for example, starting a podcast or writing a blog, or whatever it is sharing thoughts. If you want to be a thought leader, then you're not ever going to see what you're capable of achieving. Because you're just doing what you've already mastered. And it's when you keep going a little bit more out of that comfort zone. That's where the growth happens. And that's where the universe will come together. So I have a friend who she rode three oceans solo in a rowboat first woman I think the only woman to row three ocean solo and she went from $100,000 plus. Salary a year in a corporate job to quitting that living out of her van and then deciding to row an ocean and she wasn't athletic. I mean, she was somewhat but not definitely not been rowing her whole life. But she had this idea. And she said, People came out of the woodwork that not wouldn't have been able to come out of the woodwork had she not made that choice. So a lot of times if you just make the choice things and people and opportunities appear. But people are too scared to even just make that choice. And it's I, I believe it's because 70% of our thoughts are negative thoughts, and they're the same thoughts we had the day before, maybe even 10 years before. We're just recreating that same life over and over again. And I believe that we've been conditioned to believe that there's a lack there's not enough there's scarcity and Because if you look at our kids, like I got two beautiful boys, they're naturally happy. They're naturally joyful. And over time we all start to get more doubtful, more scared. We are hesitant because we go through an education system, we're compared to other people. It's, you know, did you get an A? Did you get a B? How good is your handwriting? And we're gonna value you based on what you can achieve in that realm. And so we believe that achievement is based on our grades, our looks, our age, do we have a kid? Do we not have a kid, but how big is our house? What kind of car do we drive and our whole value system is so skewed. Whereas if you knew your worth, your worth is actually based on the impact you're making to other people. And it's not just the people that you can see with your five senses are here with your five senses or touch or whatever is the normally or Actually, you the impact you're making goes by people deep. So the ripple effect that you have by helping one person probably helps 10 other people that you will never see you will never know about. So I always tell my clients to not value themselves based on their grades, what income where their salary is their title, anything like that. But look at the impact that they're making for other people. And then place a value on that. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, it's so good. I think that we see all the time people think like, Oh, I can only charge this or I'm gonna give it away for free. Carla White  Yeah, cuz if you give it away for free, they put it in the garbage don't. Leanne Woehlke  They do like I know things that I've really paid a lot of money for. Like I'm doing them, I'm showing up, I'm checking in. If something's free. It could be the most amazing thing, but I'm still not putting in the same level of effort. Carla White  No, no. It's psychological you don't have any skin in the game you have nothing to lose. So why even try? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. Carla White  Yes. Leanne Woehlke  What's the best investment you've ever made in yourself? Carla White  Um, well, my kids, but I think the best investment actually is one that I do every single morning and I call it I call them my power rituals. And I used to call it sacred sunrise, but now I do them throughout the day. And the reason I call them "SACRED" is because it boils down to an acronym, which is silence, which is meditation or prayer. Then the A stands for asking, affirmations and appreciation. C stands for create so I try to create something every day whether it's something artistic or relationships or opportunities I create. R is read, E is exercise which I do every day. And then D is daydream or visualize and I am so committed to to doing those every day that it's completely shifted my life, like the stress I can handle is amazing. I used to have this really deep wrinkle right here and my like a furrowed brow and just for meditating or something I don't know it went away and my sleep has improved you know I drink tons of water. I have way more energy and way more clarity way more confidence and none of this cost anything. Leanne Woehlke  So tell me about a time you took a leap of faith. Oh my gosh. So it's been like my whole life for the biggest one where you were like, "this is really big." Carla White  Yeah. So, you know, it didn't feel like it at the time, but in hindsight, it probably was. So I'm growing up in a small town in South Dakota, I was told that my best bet was maybe joining the military, the Navy, something like that. And I didn't want to believe it. So I went off to university anyway, but in the back of my mind, I had this identity belief that I was going to fail. So I almost was ready to drop out of college and one of my friends who was an exchange student from Japan, she came up and said, you know, you always are hanging out with all the exchange students. Why don't you go study over in Europe? And I thought, well, that's crazy because I don't speak any foreign languages. I've never been on a plane, I don't have any money and I'm about ready to flunk out of college. How am I gonna do that? and she said there was a scholarship you know, just take German for a year. So the next year I really hustled to get my act together, I got a job, save money took German got a tutor, applied for the scholarship, got the scholarship, and then I was on a plane my first plane ride ever was to go over and live in Germany for a year. And I still thought I was pretty well, even more so, I thought I was pretty dumb still when I got there because the Europeans are very well educated knowing that I couldn't understand a word of what they were saying. So like, what am I doing here? And you know, first time off the farm, all of that. And then about three or four months into staying there. My uncle said to me in German, that Carla, you're really smart. And I never had anybody say that to me before. And that one moment was so pivotal, that it just changed. Like I went and traveled all over Europe. I went home got an MBA, MIS I did so many amazing things based on just an identity that Oh, I'm actually smart. Leanne Woehlke  So Wow, yeah, I have to ask Where did you study in Germany? Carla White  Oh, I studied in Dusseldorf. Okay. Were you in Germany? Leanne Woehlke  I was planning to i, in my sophomore year of college, I was taking a ton of units and the next semester I was scheduled to go to Heidelberg. Carla White  Oh, Leanne Woehlke  And my dad passed away suddenly, so I didn't go. And then years later, yeah, years later as an adult I had to go to Heidelberg. I walked around the university and had my Heidelberg experience. Carla White  Oh my gosh, that's amazing. What a coincidence. Leanne Woehlke  I know. Carla White  So I was like, wait a minute if you in time Yeah, reaction. Germany? Yeah. Yeah, I know out of all the places because usually France or Spain or the hotspots to go study, Leanne Woehlke  I wanted to go to Germany I loved it, I would study and I would try to remember all of the German I needed to know because I knew that was my goal. So I would like write things in our room in German and my roommate thought I had absolutely lost my mind. I can still speak a little. Carla White  Yeah, yeah. You know, and I'm so glad I learned a second language. It just goes to prove like traveling, learning a language, whatever. It just goes to prove how much alike we all are. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, for sure. Carla White  Yeah, Leanne Woehlke  I think that that's true. You know, you coming from a farm and then going to a totally different country. to see people are alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. What's something you wish you knew starting out? Carla White  I wish, I wish I would have had, hmmm  that's a good question. The winning lottery numbers, the price of Apple stock Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. Carla White  Google I don't know those are probably the one things I wish I would have known. But no, seriously, like when I look back over my entrepreneurial journey, I wish I would have known how important it was to create a value ladder for my clients and resell to existing clients. I learned that rather late in life and and it's made such a change in my business, the the creating a value ladder from clients. It's just such a difference and constantly trying to find new people and coming up with new products. So I think that's the one thing I wish I would have known. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. That's such a powerful concept. Carla White  Mm hmm. Leanne Woehlke  How do you maintain your focus? Carla White  That's a good question. So I really narrow my focus. I used to believe like with vision boards, you just put whatever you want on there. And you try and clutter it up as much as possible. So you get as much as possible but it just scattered me it overwhelmed me. So I have very specific goals. Each year I sit down and I map out my whole year of what I want to achieve. And I have two vision boards. One is what I have already achieved. that proves that I can do this. And then the other one reflects only what is in that one year's vision I break it down so it's in bite sized chunks per quarter per month per week. And every day if I don't do this my days are a mess, completely unfocused. In the morning when I have my coffee first thing in the morning, I go through my calendar what I have to do, and I map out everything like what I have my my chunked out time what I'm going to do in that chunk out time, what time I'm going to pick up my kids, what am I going to eat? What am I going to make dinner, everything is mapped out and as I don't know, regimented as that may sound and as boring as that may sound, it just takes out a ton of decision making. I already know what I need to do. I just have to glance down, boom, do it glance down, boom, do it. It just makes things go so much quicker. Because as parents we only have so many like minutes practically and you never know when they're going to get interrupted. Leanne Woehlke  I completely agree. I used to work for Franklin Covey. And the more structured I was it gave space for creativity. Yes. Carla White  Yeah. Because you you're not so taxed on making 100 decisions about what to do next and where am I at? "What do I"... if you break down the process, you can do it everything is doable. Inch by inch, It's a cinch. So I always tell myself, Leanne Woehlke  It's such a good saying, I love it. How do you find inspiration? Carla White  You know, that is contagious. I think masterminds are really good. Just connecting with other entrepreneurs. They are so inspiring whether I just follow them on social or, you know, have these conversations together. It's so amazing how much you can do just with one person believing in you, or saying, "Yeah, I think you're doing really good". And also that little bit of hefty competition, you know, Oh, she was able to do it, he was able to do it. I think I could do this. And that always ups your game just a little bit more. And I think that pushes you just a little bit more. Because like, I don't know, I saw a post today that showed, I think, I don't know three people that were just completely out there that are millionaires. And I'm like, Okay, if they can do it, I can do it. Come on. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I think so. It's my husband's always been a really like traditional business industrial guy. And in some of the entrepreneurial circles, I've taken him to when he's like, "wait a minute, that person successful and that person's successful," as opposed to thinking you have to work 75 hours a week and Carla White  Yeah, exactly because a part of its business. Part of it's show business. When you can marry the two and entertain people give them hope. Because everything is hope, basically everything from a bandaid hoping that'll heal your wound to toothpaste, food. Everything that is being sold is, you're just selling hope. Leanne Woehlke  Interesting perspective. I love it. Carla White  Mm hmm. Leanne Woehlke  What's been your greatest accomplishment this year? Carla White  Oh my gosh, that's a hard one. I think my son and I started a business together that was super fun to get him engaged in his second business. That was a big one. Because it was so random. Like it started at a dinner conversation. And by Monday, we had the website up and running. So that one was pretty big. And launched a podcast that was audacious. I've been dabbling in that for a while and finally got my act together and truly did it and then I think, the third one, and these are all things that I had on my goal list starting out the year. The third one is writing a book. And that's something that I've been wanting to do since I wrote my last book, but the wounds of writing that last book are still raw. And you know, the book that I'm writing right now is totally different than a technical manual. So it shouldn't be so, so hard, but even still, so those are things that I'm pretty proud that I was able to create, and then finding time with family and friends. I mean, to get all that in. It's been amazing. So Leanne Woehlke  That's great. It's a beautiful year. Carla White  Yeah, absolutely. Leanne Woehlke  So you talk about the intersection between neuroscience and ancient wisdom. Yeah. Talk a little bit about that. Carla White  Yeah, that's my favorite topic. So I what's interesting is within the last couple of years, we're still discovering things on a scientific level that proves ancient wisdom. Like, for example, where 99.999% energy, and if you took all the matter in our body and you squeezed it down, it'd be like the size of a sugar cube. So we're just energy and we are mainly carbon, which is stars that exploded many millions of years ago. And that's us and that's you, and that's everybody and we're all connected in that manner. But if you want to, to prove all this scientifically, you can you know, the brain is paleable. You can rewire the brain, you can create new thought patterns in the brain. It all just comes down to your identity and your beliefs. And I believe if you feel stuck, if you feel stuck in a identity or a belief or a pattern like the this year is no better than the last one or it's even worse. Turn take a look at your environmental surroundings and see what you can get rid of Marie Kondo your life like the Facebook, feed the friends that you're hanging out, the food, you're eating all that stuff, like, see what you can get out of your life, the news, turn off the news, turn off Netflix, stop watching those things. And if you focus, like we talked about before, like your vision, your books, your daily routines are all focused on what you want to be who you want to become what you want to achieve. And you start to change that identity, I mean, you can go from a farm girl who thought being a lawyer was a big deal to like running companies speaking multiple languages, you know, there was nothing in the cards that said this is what I would be doing. All of this is self created. There were no lucky breaks, there was nothing of that it was having a vision and focusing on that. And if you know, that's a bit of what is in the Bible, if you look at any of these ancient texts, that's what they talk about. And I think we overcomplicate it with, oh, the law of attraction isn't working for me, or, you know, the, it's working. It's always working. You know? Just how are you applying it and how do you want it applied? And start with your health. I know a lot of people like to start with their wealth. Once I have the wealth, then everything else will follow. But really, if you don't have your health, nothing is worth it then. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I agree with that. For sure, we see that a lot. And sometimes by the time people come to us that they're so stressed that their quality of life, regardless of how much money they make or don't make, they can't even enjoy it. And there's that discontent. Carla White  I always like to start with, with when it comes to money, what is your emotional belief in relationship with money? Because there's so many people that I've worked with that they're making a lot of money, and they're still not happy. In fact, they're more and more stressed. So what is it about money that, you know, where are you with that? And so, having that healthy relationship with money is so important. Leanne Woehlke  So another question for you. You talked about your top three self empowerment secrets. What are those? Carla White  Yeah, so I One of them is always taking time out for yourself every single day. And I like to get up really early, like around 4am I know that's not doable for a lot of people. Leanne Woehlke  It's impressive.. Carla White  But even if you have five minutes in your car, in a parking lot, where you just turn everything off, close your eyes and just take some deep breaths, that will have a huge, huge, huge ripple effect, a compound effect. Then the second one is drink a lot of water. And we are 90% water we're mostly water, drink water, I mean are all of our organs even down to our bones are water, so drink water. And then the third one is surround yourself in your environment with people, I don't want us to have just Pollyannas who are rah rah rah, you're the best, because then you're gonna start drinking your own Kool Aid and you'll never gonna grow. So, but surround yourself with people who will challenge you, who will believe in you, who don't squish your dreams, who are pushing their boundaries, pushing their comfort levels, like you will be the sum of the people that you hang out with. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I agree with that. Anything else you'd like to tell our listeners? Carla White  Well, I think if you practice gratitude every day, if that's one thing you do, close your eyes and just focus on the abundance in the world rather than the lack you will start to receive more abundance. Leanne Woehlke  Awesome. Thank you so much, Carla. It was fantastic to have you here. Where can listeners catch up with you? Carla White  Oh, well thank you, Leanne. My website is www.carlawhite.org. That's Carla with a "C". Or if you want to catch my podcasts, it's called "Radical Shift". And you can get that on any podcasting app. Leanne Woehlke  Awesome. Amazing. Thank you so much, Carla. I think one of the my favorite parts about this whole journey is the people I get to meet and interact with along the way, and you're such a blessing and such a bright light. So thank you for that. Carla White  Oh, thank you, Leanne. This has been such a great conversation. Leanne Woehlke  Thank you. I know it'll be valuable.  

You can learn more about Dani Williamson at: www.daniwilliamson.comFollow her on Facebook at:https://www.facebook.com/DaniWilliamson/Where you can catch her Sunday Night Service, where she and other guests connect and share the latest info on health, nutrition and other hot topics.SHOW NOTES:Leanne Woehlke We are thrilled to have Dani Williamson here. She is an amazing functional medicine practitioner here in Franklin. I first met Dani about nine years ago. And she helped me with Hashimoto is I've got autoimmune thyroid issues. I don't say disease, I just say issues. This function will be not disease. We don't say disease, can I condition but she has been instrumental. And then my husband told me I had to go to somebody with who took our insurance. And it got to the point where I was waking up with burning arms in the middle of the night and just in tears, and I said, I don't care what it costs. I don't care. I need to go to somebody who understands this because this is affecting my mental well being my physical well being. And so I found my way back to Dani So she is truly a gem and full of knowledge and resources and looks at wellness and health differently than a lot of people. So Dani, we are so honored that you're here with us. Thank you. Dani Williamson  I'm honored to be here. Thank you for the invite. I didn't know you were doing things. Of course, usually Thursday at noon, I'm working right seeing patients. So I don't know what's going on during the week out there. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's such an unprecedented time that it has brought forth some interesting challenges and some interesting opportunities. You know, so, Dani Williamson  absolutely, absolutely. So what are we talking about today? I know she had something in mind. She asked me what we're doing, talking about what I mean, I have a whole lot of words. I wasn't voted most talkative, for nothing in high school. But you know, I like to kinda know what we're talking about. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I've got my Max Max. I'm drinking here to try to calm down it so I don't get COVID-19 wake up all the mucus in there, you know. So anyway, what what are we doing? Because I've read? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, you know, I did. You know I've gone to a lot of functional medicine places and researched and studied this stuff for a while. I think there's a lot of things right now that people can do to keep themselves healthy. Dani Williamson  You bet. Leanne Woehlke  And if you want to share some of that I know you've got your six basic steps too... Dani writing a book that is going to be a best seller undoubtably. Yeah, so I think what five things would you say or six things which if he Dani Williamson  Six Steps To Healing Leanne Woehlke  Right, so what would you say people need to do during this time to maintain optimal health? Dani Williamson  Yes. So what you want to do right with anytime during the year, not just during flu season or COVID-19 season, right? I mean, you want to build your immune system year round, right, Angela, see you shaking your head over there year round. This is something that should have never caught us off guard, immune system wise. I mean, there are things that we couldn't control, but we should 365 days a year work on building your immune system. And that's what we do in this office. Anyway, you know, we deal with a tremendous amount of autoimmune disease patients in here. I don't get, you know, the healthiest of the healthiest patients in here. Many times we get the sickest of the sickest and then we just bring them back. Hopefully, you know, wean them back to health over there. And so we work on building the immune system all year long. I work on six steps with patients that unbeknownst to me, build your whole I mean, when I started this, I know now through the through the decade of practice. But these all these steps build your immune system and the six steps that I work on in this office are number one. First and foremost are eat well sleep well move well poop well decrease stress and then cultivate community. Just like what you guys have done over it at Epic Yoga, right? those six steps eat, sleep, eat well sleep, well move well poop well decrease stress and have community every single bit of that builds your immune system up for helping prepare you for whatever is down the road. So that's where we start. And I mean, I can talk about each of them and what I do if you want, if you want my suggestions on eating well, which I think is the key and many of you don't know my story, I spent 24 years seeing doctors I was I was diagnosed at age 20, with irritable bowel syndrome. I had my first colonoscopy at 20. I'm 54 now and from 20 to 44 I saw three different gastroenterologist three colonoscopies, 3 endoscopie, all kinds of things chronic diarrhea bloating gas gurgling, then I itched four years. It's it's four years, multiple dermatologists, nobody's connecting the health of the gut with the health of the skin, right. And then I was diagnosed with lupus with an autoimmune disease when I was about 35. That was a booger of a diagnosis. And then I got depressed over all of that, and I was put on antidepressants. 24 years of seeing doctors aged 20 to 44. It took 24 years before a doc ever leaned into me and said, Dani, what are you eating? Do you know your diet controls your symptoms, and mine was joint pain, joint pain in the hands and bloating and diarrhea. Do you take digestive enzymes and probiotics and do you know your food sensitivities? And that turned my entire world around 10 years ago, it changed the whole trajectory of my life. It changed the trajectory of my patients lives. Because that's where we start is your gut, right? And if you're eating, packaged, processed, bagged can to fake man made food that was made in a plant and didn't come from a plant or lean fish, chicken, lamb Turkey, it's fake food. If you're opening it up out of a box, a bag, a can, you're creating systemic inflammation in your body and lowering your immune system. It is as simple as that. We've known it for thousands of years I've not recreating the wheel if you know anything about the Bible, you know about the Daniel fast. Daniel knew this 2500 years ago before I ever realized it clearly. And, and even before Hippocrates, right who is the father of medicine, who says all disease begins in the gut who said all disease begins in the gut 2000 years ago. So that's the first thing we do to build your immune system is to get you off of immune killing foods and those foods are gluten, dairy, soy, corn, sugar, eggs and peanuts. Those are the top seven inflammatory foods in the country. We've known that for decades. Not everybody has a peanut sensitivity or corn sensitivity or even the dairy sensitivity, quite frankly, but dairy during this COVID-19 season. You don't want any dairy whatsoever in your diet, no cheese, no yogurt, no sour cream, no butter. This is a respiratory illness. This is a respiratory illness that people drown from they die from their mucus. That's what it is. It's a mucoid disease that you can't get rid of the mucus. Essentially the reason people are dying from this even on a respirator, is you're drowning to death. What is dairy? Thick, gunky cow snot That's all it is. It is nothing but thick guncky cow snot Annette, I say... if you are eating cheese and I was at Whole Foods, I have not been the grocery in over a week until today and I walked by the cow snot the cow puss counter today. And people are standing over there and I'm thinking, of course they don't want me around grocery stores because I just want to take things out of people's hands. But dairy, no dairy whatsoever for sure right now until we get over this because if you get sick, we need to have maximum lung capacity. Right? So respiratory illnesses, things like asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia, even, you know, sinus infections. Those are all things you would always cut dairy out for, not just during this season, but always dairy thick and it's gunky, and it's one of the big ones gluten, dairy, sugar, gluten, dairy, sugar, those are the top three white devils, I'm telling you right now, and they are creating inflammation in your body. And if you're eating those, you're eating a lot, you're very inflamed systemically. So eating well is a big one is a very big one for me, you know, you want to get your body alkaline to build your immune system up, you know, an alkaline environment, this virus doesn't live well in an alkaline environment. So it'll die to that. It's, well just kills it. Basically it does, but what are alkaline foods? How are you going to get yourself more alkaline you're shooting for a pH of around seven. Now I don't do pH strips. I don't do urine strips or any of that, but you can and seven is going to be about optimal.  Things, foods that are going to make your body more alkaline and less acidic are going to be things like cruciferous vegetables, right broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, brussel sprouts, those things are very alkaline and they're also loaded with tons of antioxidants. So antioxidants are what mop up all the free radicals in your body okay and help you function better. That's one of the reasons vitamin C is such a big deal for this virus right now you know the CDC is saying we don't have a treatment really for it yet confirmed that vitamin C is one of the one of the things that they've confirmed does help with this once you get this virus we use a ton of it though to help build our immune system up and mop up free radicals right. One ingredient foods you want to decrease inflammation in your body by eating one ingredient foods. What does that mean? You're cooking from... I don't have any food in here. You're cooking cabbage, cauliflower, kale. Those are one ingredient foods right? You go to the grocery you pick up spinach and parsnips and turnips and then you're cooking those things together. Again, if it's in a box, a bag a can. It's creating inflammation. Just creating inflammation. During this time for short, you need to start cooking at home and you need to start experimenting. Angela who's on here says, you know, cooking is self care. That's one of her things and it is true. You know, I'm single, my kids are grown and all that. And I cook from home all the stinking time. one ingredient foods. Just popping food together, right? olive oil, salt and pepper. There's not much that that won't make taste amazing. Am I right, Angela? Yes, yes. Annette, I am. So I mean, you got to start cooking. If you are visualizing your cabinets, if you open your cabinets if we went to your kitchen right now and opened up the refrigerator, the freezer the cupboards. If there's a lot of boxes, bags, cans, tubes, rolls, fake manmade food in there, you're creating systemic inflammation and you are damping, dampening your immune system. So we got to start eating real food. It's key, just real food shop around the edges. The Farmers Market open tomorrow. If you live in Franklin, they actually are open tomorrow from 9AM to 12PM. That's the best place in my opinion to get your food. And we need to start teaching our kids to cook. Am I right, Angela? That's exactly right. Get those kids in the kitchen Yes, Leanne? Leanne Woehlke  Yes, yeah, sure. Absolutely. Dani Williamson  All right, eat well, you just got to eat real food. It's just got to be real food. It's as simple as that. If those of you that follow me on Facebook and Instagram, I got my very first box yesterday of Misfits. Did anybody see that? Did anybody see my post last night? Okay of Misfits Food (Misfits Marketplace) $31. Hey, Leanne, did you get the link to work? Leanne Woehlke  I don't know yet. I ordered it. And then it didn't look like the promo code went through. But I sent them a message so I'll check in. I'm sure they'll get back to me later today. Dani Williamson  I got messages all night that people had ordered to Misfits. What it is. It's ugly, ugly vegetables and fruits that can't make it to the grocery store. Right, and so they're so they're all organic, non GMO. And so I got a 21 pound box of organic non GMO fruits and vegetables yesterday for $31 that came in overnight and in it was still cold. Unbelievable. That's a great way I'd never cooked sunchokes those were in it last night I cooked sunchokes last night. I mean there's a huge parsnip, there are all kinds of things. You can just look at it online, if you want. It was it was amazing. And I highly, highly recommend something like that. If you're not open to, or if you can't get to the grocery or if you live in a food desert. Okay, anything that's going to decrease inflammation, food wise, anti inflammatory foods, the top ones gluten, dairy, sugar, soy, corn, eggs, and peanuts. Eggs are very inflammatory to a lot of people. If you don't believe me, try cutting them out for 21 days and see what you're thinking. formation go down, and then challenge it back in and see what happens. But not everybody again has an egg sensitivity. Eat well, you have to sleep well. If you want to build your immune system up, your body heals when you sleep. If you can't sleep, you can't heal. It's as simple as that. And if you sleep well, you have less inflammation in your body. If you have a bedroom full of electromagnetic fields in there, your cell phone is plugged in by your bed. It's not on airplane mode and it's charging. It's creating tremendous amount of electromagnetic fields and disrupting your brainwaves and your circadian rhythm. This right here (holds up cell phone) is nothing but a lithium battery. And that's all it is. And if it is anywhere near your head, it's creating inflammation and we know brain cancers are going through the roof because of phones on your head. Minimum six feet away. Your bedroom has got to be a sanctuary. No wireless router. No Computer no TV, the bedroom is for sleep and sex only. That's all you need to be doing in it. If you're not doing those two things, get out of it. All right. And you should be having a lot of sex during this time, by the way, too. Now, that's not official on decreasing inflammation, but why not? Heck, if we're stuck at home, somebody needs to be having sex. I don't have anything but an English bulldog at my house. So there's nobody, so this is a good time to reconnect with your partner, by the way, for sure. But you got to sleep well, if you're not sleeping, you've got to do something to sleep whether it's melatonin, which actually melatonin, the research shows decreases inflammation in your body, melatonin or some magnesium or some Gabba or CBD oil, but you've got to get to sleep and maybe you need bioidentical hormones. I don't know. But sleeping, sleeping, sleeping decreases inflammation and you have to stay off of this phone and that computer before bedtime, at least an hour. And I know it's hard right now we're all on there. Everybody's on there, but that's a huge one for decreasing inflammation. Eat well sleep well move. Well, you got to move your body and I can tell by the way everybody is dressed, pretty much, people are moving their bodies. And it's important. You know, I'm a big believer, Dr. Daniel Ahmen, Who's a world famous neurologist, he says, you know, for the very least walk like your late 45 minutes, four days a week. Bust it 45 minutes, four days a week. You know, get your heart rate up. I'm a big believer in you know, an hour if you could get an hour. What do you think Leanne? Of moderate exercise sweat sweating? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I mean, I think an hour is is great, at least three times a week. Ideally five. Dani Williamson  Yes, that's exactly right. We know what the research shows on decreasing inflammation and building your immune system up in your body. And just a side note, if anybody's having a period still, the more you exercise, the better your cramps get. I mean it's the research shows that and they do. Of course you also have to take out the toxic tampons and pads right if you're using traditional always get to this I this is maddening to me that I put roundup in my vagina for 30 years and nobody ever told me about it. I had no clue. I was putting weed killer and bleach in my vagina every single time I had a period. Cotton is the number one most toxic crop in the United States. It has more roundup on it than any other crop and then they take that Roundup Ready cotton and bleach it with Clorox bleach and then we put it in our vagina every single month. If you have painful periods, infertility, PCOS, endometriosis, huge heavy clots and bleeding. You need to switch over to either a menstrual cup or organic pads or tampons today, it's huge. Just doing that one thing makes such a big difference in your inflammation in your body. I don't know I never had bad cramps and all but I mean I was furious. I'm a nurse midwife. I was never told during nurse midwifery school that we were killing ourselves and our female organs every single month by doing that, it's maddening to me, but move Well, you've got to move your body you got to sweat like right before this. I just did 10 minutes just real fast. I walked as fast as I could 10 minutes outside, just to kind of get my heart rate up a little bit. But the more you exercise, the inflammation goes down. Unless you're very, very sick and you have some sort of horrible, very hard chronic disease. We know that you've got to honor your body. If you feel worse after you exercise, and you have to go to bed and you're exhausted. Then you've got the wrong kind of exercise going on there. You need to dampen it down. If you're a crossfitter. And you feel good initially and you've got a whole lot of endorphins going, but you got to go to bed for two hours. That's wrong, then you need to transition over something like yoga, right? Pilates, deep breathing, things like that nobody wants to just go from CrossFit to yoga, they think oh, that's all I let me tell you. I taught yoga for 10 years, my yoga studio in Paducah. 20 years later is still going strong and Paducah, Kentucky, that I started. Yoga has been around for over 2000 years. There's a reason it's still around CrossFit was not around 2000 years ago. I can tell you that. Yeah, look, I think it's a fact, it works. And if you don't think you get a workout from yoga, then you've never been to a right the right yoga class, right? Yeah. So you got to move your body right. You got to eat well, sleep well move well, anything you can all day long.... won't you look at those flabby arms Good Lord, that's ugly. But anything you can do last night I was cooking I had a big old pot of chicken and dumplings. And I took my Le Creuset just like this. And I was just doing that just doing my chicken and dumplings. It was very dangerous, but over my head, anything you can do to build it up every day. And then you got to poop Well, well, if you're not pooping, you're loaded with inflammation and your immune system is down. What you eat today should be 100% through your body tomorrow. If you're not pooping daily, if you have a provider who tells you, "Oh, it's okay to poop every three or four days." Would you find a new provider because that is not okay. You are supposed to poop like your dog does. You know your dog will eat and go and poop in about 20 minutes or maybe less. A human body should do that as well. Now everybody's just looking at me like flatline over here. I'm a good pooper. Well, of course I was I had IBS, I mean all the time. Now, it's a normal every, you know, couple times a day. So you have to put just imagine that this is one big tube from the mouth all the way down to the anus, one big tube, you chew it up here, and it comes out there, and it should be out tomorrow. And if you're not a good pooper, then we need to figure out a way number one, you need to take one to Leanne's yoga classes and you need to do a tremendous amount of twists because I'm telling you twist will wring it out, literally, out of you. And you need to drink half your body weight in ounces in water daily. So if you weigh 200 pounds, you need 100 ounces of water, 130 pounds, you need 65 ounces of water. If you drink a lot of coffee, now this is tea but it's got caffeine in it. If you drink tea and coffee then you need to add another eight ounces on that per glass. Okay, so I'm 130 I need 65 ounces plus probably another 16 or 20 ounces a day, you know, so somewhere around 80 or 90 ounces. That's huge to get you pooping, because when you're dehydrated, you can't get you can't just imagine that's all just gunked up in there. So that's going to help build your immune system. If you can get your bowels moving well. You got to move, when you stop moving, you stop moving totally. I mean, it doesn't matter. You can't poop, your body locks up. I mean, movement is key. Movement and exercise are the two key things. I mean, I'm sorry, movement and eating well are the two biggest things that you can do to build your immune system. And then you need to do everything in your power to decrease stress in your life. Lord stress is... my hair's falling out right here in the middle, you know, and I don't feel like nervous stress, but the stress of just trying to figure out how to make my business run during this time and all has been something that apparently hair is turning loose because of it, thank god I've got a lot of hair. But stress will kill you. Stress raises inflammation, stress raises something called cytokines in your body, which those are inflammatory markers, whatever you can do to decrease stress, right? Whether it's you know, if you're a meditator, if you're a prayer, if you, if you're one who digs deep into the Bible, yeah, absolutely your women's groups, things like that, whatever you can do to decrease stress. And I tell patients, and this is year round, not just now, if you're in a bad marriage, then you need to get that figured out. If you're in something really horrible at work, it's a bad situation, then leave the job. I mean, quit your job, find a new job, nothing is worth dying over. I can tell you that. And the number one killer for women is heart disease. Number one. The number one killer is heart disease, and the number one time for a heart attack is Monday morning at nine o'clock. Excuse me? What's that? We go to work Monday morning. So do whatever you can do to decrease stress, stress builds inflammation, this is year round. And then cultivate community. Community is huge. In fact, probably community is up there with eating well and and moving your body. The people who live the longest in this world, they eat a Mediterranean lifestyle. Okay, which is huge. Those are the people in the Blue Zones. For the most part, the people who live that, you know, they're centenarians. They live past 100 they eat a Mediterranean lifestyle. If anybody's ever been to Greece, or Italy or Spain, what do they do at meal, meal time? They gather and community they're not eating solo, very often, but it is Angela, am I correct? It's a huge community event a meal is you've got to have community whether it's your yoga community like this, whether it's your Bible study your Sunday school class, your ... you know, whatever whatever it is you do you volunteer somewhere, community is key. We are the loneliest society we've ever had in the history of the world. And we have two extremes on the loneliness, the teenagers, the teenagers are really lonely. And the research shows, you know, they are right here on this phone, non stop, and they're looking at things that are not real on Facebook and Instagram and things like that. They're lonely, they're isolated, and then you're seniors, they're extremely lonely. Your teenagers and your seniors and the seniors have a very, very high suicide rate, actually aged 10 to 24 is the fastest growing suicide rate in the United States age 10 to 24, that's huge. So cultivating community is a big big deal and when you're laughing when you're having fun when you're gathering and you're acting crazy whatever it is you're doing you're decreasing inflammation in your body it's it's big it's it's important eat well sleep well move well poop, well decrease stress have community. I think those are huge, huge things year around that we can do to build our immune system up. And those are just like practical things to build your immune system of. I mean, I have a whole immune boosting protocol that I like, if you're interested. Leanne Woehlke  So what kind of things I know. I have flown a fair amount this year and yeah, into your office multiple times to go get all the things and will you talk a little bit about your immune boosting protocol because I've got all the sprays and the Dani Williamson  Yes. Leanne Woehlke  I show up with a whole bag of potions on the plane. Dani Williamson  That you remember those? Oh, there it is right there. It was probably what two months ago before we even heard of Coronavirus. I had four flights for conferences to go to in four and a half weeks and I bought a in 95 respirator mask from Vogmask and I shared it on Facebook and Everybody thought I'd lost my mind. I've never flown with a mask in my life but I knew it was flu season didn't even know about Coronavirus and I knew I had to be well for the final flight which was the biggest Conference of the year that I go to a functional medicine conference. So I started spraying everything in my nose and my throat and I had my mask on and all basic stuff now mask they say the mask really does not help much for the for Coronavirus at all you know because it can get your eyes and your ears and things like that. So it's apparently not super protected for that. Basic stuff that I do all year long... Vitamin C, number one. Is everybody taking vitamin C? It's the biggest, you bet. It's the biggest daily all year long. Take a minimum of 2000 milligrams a day. Okay 2000. So that's four capsules for me and I take two capsules twice a day. Now here's the thing about vitamin C for those of you that don't poop, this is the best. Now it doesn't have to be my vitamin C here at the office. It can be any, at this point, right now because we have a national shortage of vitamin C, just get vitamin C in your body. I mean, there are different forms that I think are better than others. But right now just get some C. Don't worry about whose it is or what it is. Vitamin C will help you poop. And the beauty of this is you take it until bowel tolerance you can't overdose on vitamin C. It's a water soluble supplement meaning it's a water soluble vitamin, Meaning you're not going to overdose on it like you could vitamin D and A and E and K and iron. C, you'll just go until your body doesn't need it anymore. And when you start to have loose stools just back off about 500 milligrams, alright, so it depends on what does, you can play around with it. But I have patients who take 9000 milligrams a day of vitamin C and they don't have diarrhea. Well, what that tells me is they're their adrenals are really stressed. Then because vitamin C is stored in our adrenal glands. We're the only mammals who do not make vitamin C, but we store it right back here in the back on top of our kidneys in our little video, adrenal glands like that. And the more vitamin C you tolerate without diarrhea, that tells me that you need some adrenal support to boost your adrenals up and of course adrenals get really taxed during a season like this when we're under stress. So you want to to support your adrenals gently all year long, I do. Vitamin C, big one for building your immune system. Remember this is an antioxidant. So it mops up all the free radicals in your body. Some sort of what I recommend is Biocidin. And if you're looking at people's protocols online and all the webinars that are up there, Biocidin and Colloidal Silver are the two, and vitamin C are probably the three, that are staples on every single functional medicine doctor and providers protocol. This has been in my toolbox for probably three or four years and it should have been in there for the last 20 years. Biocidin is a company that makes only herbal phenomenal concoctions.  Biocidin is an anti viral which this is a virus, not a bacteria, remember viruses and bacterias act differently in your body. Viruses are teeny tiny little particles bacterial cells Bigger bacterias bigger ones. This kills it. This is a virus antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal and it's just just like that spray at the back of the throat three or four sprays two or three times a day. That's a big one that I use specially if I'm traveling but right now and then Colloidal silver. Those are the, this Colloidal silver, Has anybody ever used Colloidal Silver ever? Okay, Colloidal Silver has been around again for eons and eons and eons. It's an antifungal antibacterial, antiviral. My office manager has used this spray right here in your nose for probably two years. I've never used it until I got off on my big four flights and four weeks kind of thing. We'll come to find out, it kills bar, it's a viral killer. So it's one of the big protocols that they have out there. They're for this COVID-19 specifically, it's unfortunate, it's on backorder. Nationwide, I mean in the spray bottle, because guess what, this is made in China. The top part is not the Colloidal Silver This is so you can just get your Colloidal silver and put it in a spray bottle and spray it up your nose, we have the Colloidal silver, we just don't have the sprays anymore, that those are three things that are huge to build your immune system up and then D3. Does everybody take vitamin D3? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, Dani Williamson  It's a big one. And I don't test one patient, as a nurse practitione truly, who's not taking D3, who has a normal vitamin D3, we don't make it naturally. So all of you that are sitting outside watching this, that is the perfect thing. You really need to have your clothes off though. What the research shows is that you have to be out in the sun a minimum of 45 minutes It's seven days a week with no clothes on, or very little clothing on in order to really, really, really metabolize the D3. Well who the heck can do that? I mean, the neighborhood associations, although it looks like y'all kind of live in the woods, several of you, so maybe you could do that. But my neighborhood, they'd have a heart attack, stuff like that. So you got to get out, you got to get some sun but you need to take vitamin D3 for at least 5000 international units a day. 5000 is a good little basic, but this is not something you want to take long term without having your healthcare provider check your levels, because you can get too much D3, okay, but it's a big one for your immune system. For sure. And then I'm sure many of you use essential oils. Okay, so I'm a Young Living girl, my office managers is a doTERRA. Doesn't matter to me. I don't care. I use thieves she uses onguard. So this office smells like a combination of Young Living and doTERRA all the time because I'm spraying thieves everywhere she spraying onguard. I don't care, but thieves are onguard is one of the greatest antivirals and I put it in my I put thieves in my water every day all year long. And I just drink it like this. And if I'm sick or think I'm going to get sick you can put your onguard you know this, if you're oil people on the bottom of your feet and put your socks on and sleep and then I do it during the day sometimes as well. Those are like the real basics. Are you all taking supplements? Okay, good. Vitamin C, Biocidin, that's in the throat because remember, this is a respiratory illness. We're talking build your immune system up your round, but also COVID-19. This is a respiratory illness and what it does is it attacks the lungs, right? But what it does that by making the mucus thicker and thicker and thicker and we can't break it down and that's where we are literally drowning. The patients are in their mucus and so anything you can do to decrease the mucus in there things like the colloidal silver and the Argentine 23 anything that you can get your throat, gargling every day drinking hot liquids so we know if we will drink hot lemon water, hot tea, hot coffee, just hot water all day. hot apple cider vinegar. I don't know I couldn't do that. But anything hot all day long to keep the mucus secretions broken down. That's easy, and that's free. If you didn't have a penny. You could just heat up hot water and drink it all day to send the mucus secretions, and gargling. If you have a neti pot, use your neti pot. They drive me crazy, I can't do it. I try. I've had one for 15 years and I just don't care for it. I'd rather shoot colloidal silver in my nose. I actually saw one of the functional medicine providers the other day said Afrin which is interesting because we don't recommend Afrin, but Afrin kills everything. Clearly. It burns like hell when you put it in your nose. Have you ever sprayed Afrin in your nose? I mean there's nothing left in there. Once you do it. I did not have Afrin. I went out and bought some Afrin when I saw Dr. Bergsten talk about it and she said you know if you just spray a spray a day, she doesn't have any... This is anecdotal, so we don't have like randomized trials on this, but it makes perfect sense because it opens up those passages in there and it cleans out everything so possibly don't go out telling everybody I'm saying to use Afrin because I don't recommend Afrin at all, but it's just like yesterday me coloring my own hair. I've never done that in my life. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Do what you can do, Lord, oh that was terrible. Another thing you need to do, and I hope you all are doing this if you've been in public get your clothes off the second you get to the house immediately take your clothes off at the door it lives on your clothes, it lives in your hair. This is the first time that I have had my hair down in probably two weeks and those of you that are on our Facebook group and Instagram I have had this hair pulled back as tight as I could for two weeks and tucked up and all of that because it lives in all of this. And it lives for hours and hours. It lives on metal surfaces for nine hours. At least, nine hours. We know that so clean all that thieves all that onguard hydrogen peroxide we know breaks down viruses. I made a delivery to Health and Wellness this morning and stood, that's a pharmacy in Nashville compounding pharmacists, Dr. Mark Binkley came out and we were like you know, 10 feet apart Mark said that he got an order he got a prescription called in yesterday from a functional medicine provider in California for him for a patient. He was nebulizing medical grade hydrogen peroxide nebulizing just like this for the patient to help prevent this because hydrogen peroxide kills everything. So the first time he said that prescription I said wow, I don't know what we can do with hydrogen peroxide but if you clean with it, it kills pretty much everything. We use it in the hospitals and stuff for everything. So I would be getting some hydrogen peroxide cleaner as well are buying cheapo hydrogen peroxide and cleaning with it as well. Of course don't smoke ever good lord. This is a respiratory disease. Don't smoke if you're smoking or Juleing I'm sure all y'all got your Jules right out there, y'all. You're just waiting to get shut up. So I can vape right now, don't do it. Don't do it. It's terrible for your lungs right? And again if symptoms start so what's the very first symptom of this disease for most people is a glass throat just like glass shards in the throat is what they're saying just It hurts so bad and then a fever. Of course your fever is your body's is your body telling you? Oh gosh, there's a virus it's in here. The body attacks a virus and a bacterial infection the same way by creating a fever right and so fever is a good thing, but that should be your first sign is a fever and a scratchy throat and if that happens for darn sure you start getting all your hot stuff. You know drinking it and cutting out dairy 100% Leanne Woehlke  Dani, what is, there's that other spray that you guys have? That tastes like melted vanilla ice cream? Dani Williamson  Yes. ImmunoPRP. It's in the supplement store right now. I totally forgot. That's my other one. I forgot to bring it I was looking here thinking nothing is missing. But because I have three sprays, I have a no spray and two throats for ice. And the second throat spray is colostrum liquid colostrum. For those of you that breastfed your babies, you know, that is the liquid gold, right? That's what comes out of the breast, the first two three days before the actual milk comes in. And that's what seals the immune system for the baby. It starts to seal the immune system for the baby and it helps heal the gut lining. We have organic grass fed cows from Bolivia or Argentina or something wherever they're less stressed and they don't have all the stress that American cows do. We have an amazing PRP colostrum spray, and it's phenomenal for your immune system. And we've got the little bottles in stock right now. The big ones are on backorder they should be here next week, but that the little one will be enough to get you hrough this season. Yeah, that stuff's good. And it tastes like a vanilla milkshake, or melted vanilla ice cream or something. Yeah. Leanne Woehlke  My daughter was giving that to her friends. They came over and she was telling them that I had, some magic thing against COVID-19. And so she was dosing them all up on everything. And giving them that she's like, it tastes just like vanilla ice cream. It's perfect... here. Dani Williamson  Yes, it's good. It's good for your immune system. Yes. Leanne Woehlke  What about oregano oil.? Dani Williamson  Oregano is phenomenal. That's in our wellness formula that we use and oregano is. So if you're if you've got essential oils, if you're an oil person, phenomenal, get it on the bottom of your feet, put it in your water with your thieves or your doTERRA and drink it. You can put it in your tea even. It doesn't  taste good though. Most people don't ever swallow oregano ,one time. One time. They don't ever do it again. Yeah, it's in. We use it in any of your really, really good immune building formulas will always have things like oregano. echinacea, elderberry, olive leaf extract. Now I have a whole protocol. Those of you that know me know, but I was trying to just dumb it down enough to where people wouldn't get dumb it down. But you know what I mean, make it to where you could do three or four things that would really boost your immune system, olive leaf, oregano and echinacea are three incredible things to boost your immune system. Leanne Woehlke  I had heard somewhere and I don't recall where, that elderberries actually contraindicated for... Dani Williamson  I knew you were gonna say that. Yeah, it's not. It's not, okay so here's the thing, and I was so glad I listened to a zoom call last, two nights ago, of four different five different functional medicine providers. And that question came up, and I was glad to hear them all say what I thought. The benefits far outweigh the risks on elderberry. Far outweigh. So what the the people are saying and we don't have solid evidence on elderberry increasing aside a king storm, and that's what we were talking about earlier is increasing your cytokines that increases inflammation in your body. One tablespoon of elderberry a day is going to have far more benefits than it is risk. So I wouldn't worry about if you've got a good quality elderberry. I would take my elderberry. Leanne Woehlke  Great. And you talked about increasing alkalinity in the body. And what do you think about wheatgrass to help increase alkalinity? Dani Williamson  Yeah, yeah, it's a green. I love it. Yeah, I don't drink a lot of wheatgrass. But yes, I have no problem. Do you make your Do you do it yourself? Leanne Woehlke  I cheat a little bit. There's a company called Dynamic Greens in Canada and they grow it in the ground. So the problem with the trays is a lot of times the trays end up with mold. Dani Williamson  Yes. Leanne Woehlke  And so if you buy it at a wheat at a juice bar, a lot of times it has almost like a bitter funky taste. Yes, like stale, but dynamic greens. they ship it to you on dry ice or in ice packs. It's in these plastic like containers, almost like a Ziploc bag that's perforated and so it's like little ice cubes. So I take them, break them up, put them in the freezer, and then take out two to six depending on what I want. Reconstitute it with a little bit of water and put it in a mason jar and shake it up. And then just drink it that way. Dani Williamson  And it tastes good? Leanne Woehlke  It does. Does I'll bring you some. Dani Williamson  Any wheat grass I've ever had. I've always had that bitter taste in it and I don't know why people love this. But you think, you know, oh, it's good for you. But you know you got it's got to be organic. We it cannot be wheatgrass, it like sprayed with glyphosate, nothing they you know, these green juices I make a ton of drink. I just drink my green juice this morning from home. But man, you can't be using, you know, glyphosate Roundup Ready vegetables and greens to make your green juice. Just can't I mean, it's glyphosate is the is the devil in my opinion? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. Right. I think that's, that's a big thing is a lot of times too is people if they buy conventional produce thinking I'm gonna make this great green juice. They don't know that there's still residue on the outside or wax or whatever it is, and then they juice it that and they're getting all of that. Dani Williamson  That's right. And for those of you that don't know about the Dirty Dozen and the clean 15 that is hands down from the Environmental Working Group, the ewg.org so it's www.ewg.org Environmental Working. group.org is the leader in fighting for you all and all of us on clean things. They put up Every single year in April so it'll be out next month, the Dirty Dozen and the clean 15 The Dirty Dozen are the top 12 most toxic, Roundup Ready pesticide laden foods in the United States, the clean 15 or the cleanest 15 that dude that are not organic, that have less chemicals on them. And they have a free app on your phone called the Dirty Dozen and you just pop it on your phone if you forget. And you pull it up when you're at the grocery, what are the top 12 now I don't have them off the top of my head memorize but strawberries are number one most toxic, most toxic strawberries, spinach, apples grapes. Now what do we feed our kids strawberry apples, grapes, right spinach potatoes, they're under the ground. They're horrible. They're just soaked up with Roundup, all down in there. Red peppers, like as in bell peppers, red, green, yellow, those peppers. peaches. What else is on there? cherries? What else is on there? Anything with a soft skin. Anything with a delicate What you say celery? Celery? Yes Right celery and look at all these people on there jealous jelly celery juicing kicks right now they're all juicing celery juice and they're out there just put nothing but but roundup and pesticides in their body. Those are the Dirty Dozen, the Clean 15 are all the thicker skin things things like avocados, bananas, papayas, cauliflower, and brussels sprouts and cabbage are all on there. And just like humans, bugs don't eat those foods as much as humans. I mean as much as right they don't they rather eat a peach any day over a head of cabbage. So they have way less pesticides on them. So that is so important. And I wish I would have known that when I was raising my kids. I wish I'd have known about I wish I'd known about I wish I knew the word do I say when my kids were born 24... 23... 24 years ago, I didn't know better. Leanne Woehlke  One of the things that we found out when my husband had cancer is we had an apple farmer. And he wasn't organic. But I asked him a lot of questions. And what he said is, you need to understand that every time I have to spray something, it costs me money. So I try to do all of the natural things I can as possible, and that there's a large cost associated with being a certified organic farm. And if there's a non organic farm within a certain radius, they can't get that designation. Dani Williamson  That's probably true. Yeah, there's a huge cost associated with that, I think at the Franklin Farmers Market, and I may be wrong about this. There's only two that are certified organic. They have the green seal, that would be Devlin Farms and bloom Bloomsbury Farm. Now I may be wrong. And so if I'm, if I am, correct me on that, the rest of them use organic practices, right, but they are but just not certified like Kirkview. I buy a lot of things from Kirkview and they they do they use organic practices, but they're not technically organic. I mean, it's $100,000 I don't know it's outrageous to be certified organic. They don't make it easy for us to eat well, and that's why I love that misfit box I got yesterday it's $31 of organic and non GMO foods. And it's huge. I mean, you could that cost me $60 easy at Whole Foods. What I got yesterday. Leanne Woehlke  Is that the big box or the smaller box, Dani Williamson  the big box. because I split it with Jackson, my son Ella works at Whole Foods. So she gets her stuff at a discount so I split it with Jackson, but um, yeah, so building up your immune system, what else what I mean? So here's the thing, are you all I mean, I don't know if y'all are off work right now or if you don't work generally during the day, you know, if you have an outside job outside the home, I think there are lots of great things are going to come from this and i think that you know This is my belief. And I know Angela is a believer but I, I sent out a newsletter this week and I was expecting to get some blowback on this. What what, because I get some nasty messages sometimes when I say things. I think that this is a huge wake up call for all of us worldwide. And I think God gets your attention one way or the other, you know, and when you're not when we're not listening, when we're not, when we're going around wrong path. I know in my PR, I can only speak from personal experience, he will knock you to the ground to get your attention because I'm horrible at not listening to God. Well, I'm better now because I've gotten knocked down way too many times. But I'm just telling you, he's trying to get our attention and he is and we need to right the ship that we have, as in decreasing stress, you know, not overextending ourselves. I mean, we are so over committed. It's not even funny. And I think this is a great time to be able to pull back drum down on your life and just say, holy cow, what can I eliminate, automate and delegate out of my life, you know, and set some margin in my life, because we don't have any margin. And we're proving that now, as people are panicking, and anxiety attacks and all these things. I mean, we're so used to being busy. Nobody should. While I know I'm not used to being able to take an hour off in the middle of the day and do something like this. And it's ramping up a lot of anxiety. I think that during this time, we need to reevaluate a whole lot of things. And I think we also need to be cleaning our house and doing the things that we know are in all that we don't want to do. But, you know, really re evaluating and as my friend Michael Hyatt tells me all the time, he's like, Dani, where's the margin in your life? Where's the margin? You know, and if we don't have any margin, You just don't have any life and when things go sideways, man, you're just turned upside down. And now am I right? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So I, we have a, we have a couple questions that people are curious about. So someone had a question about vitamin C. They're somebody who has rheumatoid arthritis and the rheumatologist say, not to take it because their method is not about immune system boosting. So what do you think about that? Dani Williamson  Well, I have a rheumatologist. I've had lupus since my 30s. And he's never told me anything like that. I mean, I use a lot of vitamin C every day. So I can't speak to what he's saying because I don't you know, I don't know. I don't know what he's exactly referring to. But vitamin C is a naturally occurring vitamin C, you know, I mean, we don't I don't really know what he's saying there. So I again If you're super super high doses maybe he's thinking it can create inflammation because autoimmune disease clearly your immune system is turned on right? It's it's a little more ramped up than the average person there so I don't know what he's speaking to I know for my autoimmune patients because Hashimotos is an autoimmune condition, lupus rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease, all of those eczema psoriasis, those are all autoimmune diseases. Vitamin C is usually a piece of an immune protocol. So I don't know that answer. I would take a low dose vitamin C. Somebody sent them about combat combating seasonal allergies in a natural way. You bet. Eliminating the food sensitivities because that's going to decrease inflammation, right? And then things like what are the best natural ways for for allergies cuercitin, vitamin C, stinging nettle. N-acetylcysteine and bromalain,  those are five things that's what's in our A and I that we use here. I don't know if any of you have used that supplement that I've used that for 10 years with patients is called "A and I" A and I, and it's that five combinations that is an unbelievable all natural anti-histamine. That's what seasonal allergies are, are a histamine release. So we use that product which has those five in it, you can go find those five separately, and then we also decrease histamine foods in our body and what foods create a lot of histamine, avocados, spinach, tomatoes, vinegars kombucha, kombucha is one of the biggest ones for histamine response in your body. If you think you have histamine issues in your body, stop drinking kombucha if you drink it often, you'll see your histamine symptoms go down. leftovers are one of the highest things in histamine. So patients who have true histamine intolerance, they cannot eat leftovers at all. And that's part of seasonal allergies. So the second they cook their food, they have to freeze their food. Right then cook it, freeze it. You eat your meal, and then you freeze it. Because histamine grows on leftovers. Just a little nugget there. Leanne Woehlke  So there's a question about organic food, no bags, cans, boxes. What about frozen veggies if they're organic? Dani Williamson  Perfect, perfect. Those are great. Now I don't know what that question is. But how is that not considered dairy? I don't know what that comment was referring to. Unknown  That was colostrim. Dani Williamson  Yes, right the caesin has been taken out of it. So I have a dairy sensitivity dairy gluten, beans, cashews And oh for crying out loud Eggs Eggs, but I can use the colostrum because the caesin been taken out. Leanne Woehlke  And I had when Dani did my food sensitivities the whole thing lit up like Christmas other than gluten cheese and chocolate basically. And I was sat in her office about in tears and said, What am I supposed to do? Dani Williamson  It's terrible. For me, the dairy is the hardest thing to cut out gluten was easy. You know, there's no gluten in anything that's fresh food. It's not in it. It's not in one ingredient foods. Gluten was only originally in three things. Three things naturally. Barley, wheat and rye. Those are the three things when God walked that when Jesus walked this earth, three things he had three strands of wheat three As Americans, we have 25,000 strands of hybridized Wheat in the United States 25,000 that have been bred with no pun intended with high gluten content. Gluten means glue. So it sticks everything together makes things fatter, fluffier and softer, which is what it's done to the United States population. It's in everything processed package bag, your salad dressings, your soups, your soy sauce, all of your soy sauce unless it says gluten free has wheat paste in it. So you know you think you're doing great and you're getting an organic soy sauce maybe and then you're loaded up with gluten as well. Yeah, gluten is a huge inflammatory food one of the one of the worst actually, (In response to one of the questions in the chat box... Dani was reading the question clarification out loud) Oh, the rheumatologist they told me Oh, I didn't see this. But they told me to decrease my vitamin C intake since building my immune system and increasing my RA. Okay, so rheumatoid arthritis, attacking my joints. Can you speak to that? I don't know how much you were taking but I'm telling you right now 2000 milligrams a day is usually the standard dose for vitamin C. Where's Valerie, raise your hand. All right, okay. All right. I just don't really have anybody react to 2000 milligrams a day of plain, inexpensive ascorbic acid. That's just the cheap buffered vitamin C. Frozen blueberries. Yeah, if they're organic, absolutely. Blueberries are sprayed a lot because they're sweet and bugs, like a lot of blueberries. I think frozen food is is phenomenal. If you can get because they flash freeze it like that. It's not like it's sitting around forever. And then they freeze it, they pick it and freeze it. So if you get a good company that's organic, I think it's totally fine to have frozen food. Leanne Woehlke  Dani, thank you so much. I want to honor your time. I know you've been with us a long time and I appreciate it. I appreciate your knowledge and everything you do in the community. Tell us how we can follow up with you. I know but your Sunday night service your website with a Dani Williamson  Sunday night service. We're talking clean crafted organic wine this week. I am so tired of talking things that are stressful. We're going straight to the wine bottle and we're talking about clean crafted wine. Did you know your wine is loaded, we eat all these organic blueberries for crying out loud. We we change out our tampons to get roundup out of our vaginas. And then we drink wine that is loaded with roundup and a sugar doughnut, a jelly doughnuts worth of sugar in every bottle of wine right? And we get all these pesticides and sulfides and all that. So we're talking to clean crafted wine on Sunday night service this Sunday night. But for those of you that don't get our newsletter, Dani Williamson, it's real simple. www.daniwilliamson.com you just go to www.daniwilliamson.com and it's at the very top and you sign up for the newsletter. We send out a newsletter every week or two During this season, and it tells you how to get in touch with us, Dani  Williamson Wellness Dani waiting to wellness daily Williamson wellness, that's the same on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. Every single Sunday night Service that I do on Facebook Live is on our YouTube channel so you can follow that if you don't have Facebook you can follow that YouTube channel subscribe to it. We have a Sunday night service Dr. Motley and I Chris Motley. Have a Sunday night service on everything from low testosterone. why people don't want to have sex to anxiety to electromagnetic fields, Lyme disease, depression. I mean, you name it. We talked about it on there. Don't we, Leanne? Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, Dani Williamson  There's a ton of stuff. And so and it's live every Sunday night. So if you just wanted to watch it live on Sunday night, that's on Facebook at Dani Williamson Wellness if you'll just follow that group, but we have a book coming out this summer. So that's why we would love to have you on the email list. Just so you know when it comes out and it's a book on being wild and well, health wise, you know, so I haven't we haven't decided the title yet, but somehow something about radical something about being wild and well and my six steps to radical health I don't know it's going to be something with this hair, and it's going to be very all about my six steps to healing and it goes into serious detail on ways to decrease inflammation in your body because the root of every single chronic disease and we don't say that in medicine, you never say every or always or never in medicine, every lifestyle chronic disease we now know has a root of an inflammatory response, inflammation. And so inflammation is the devil hands down it is and when you decrease inflammation, you increase your immune system and you decrease your whatever It is going on in your body joint pain, your your fibromyalgia, your migraine headaches, your anxiety, your whatever gut issues. So the whole book is on decreasing inflammation in your body. Common Sense practical ways because I'm just a little girl from Gilbertsville, Kentucky, who's the biggest redneck you've ever seen in your life, who happens to do a job that I absolutely love, and have been able to bless to be able to help a lot of people through the years. So it's just common sense. Man, dumbed it down so that even I could understand it. This is the kind of book it is. So Leanne Woehlke  thank you. We can't wait for that. You gotta make sure. We'll put all the links in our group, and then we'll also put the replay so people can hear this. Dani Williamson  Well, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for taking an hour out in the middle of the day. It's gorgeous out there. 

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Leanne Woehlke  It is a pleasure. It's an honor to have you here. And I appreciate you just for who you are, and for your willingness to make time for this. So thank you. Tim Storey  You're very welcome. Leanne Woehlke  I have to say when we first met you were talking about growing up in Compton, and, you know, the parts of LA and my dad grew up in Lincoln Heights in Boyle Heights. And so I felt this connection immediately to you. Tim Storey  We would have been neighbors. Leanne Woehlke  Yes. Yes, for sure. Tell us a little bit, Tim, if you can, about your background, you've got such a beautiful backstory. But how you grew up, and I think that shaped so much of who you are. Tim Storey  Yeah, I think that, you know, predominately, my childhood was very happy. Um, I am innately optimistic. I see things a lot through the eyes of humor. I love comedians, ever since I was a kid, back in the days, you know, you had the big albums, and there were various comedians that were big at that time. And I would listen to those albums over and over again. So I So a lot of lot of life through comedy. So even though we were lower income, seven people in a two bedroom apartment to start with, it was interesting guys because I didn't really see us that way. I just saw that it was cramped. And but I was always thinking big and small places. So, you know, raised in low income family father was a steel worker 10th grade education, mother sixth grade age education, worked at a place called winches donut shop. Have any of you ever been to a winches? Please lift your hands. Leanne Woehlke  Yes. Unknown Speaker  And so um, we used to get the day old donuts. We had to wait till they were a day old. And then my mother would bring some home so yeah, That's how we that's how it started. But I think that that worked for me because I had a drive to do better. That's that's that's my, the genesis of Tim's story. Leanne Woehlke  So when did you know you were destined for greatness? Tim Storey  I knew I was destined for goodness. I knew I was destined for at least goodness. When different people started to see that I had something to me. My sixth grade teacher, Mr. Robert asked me to stay after class. And he says, Timmy, I want to tell you that I think you are and I didn't know what he was going to say. And then he said, I think you are brilliant. Because you're brilliant. I want to see if you want to read some books from my personal library. And one of the books was a book written by Irving stone, about the life of Michael Angelo. Little did I know some 30 years later, I would meet the wife of Irving Stone, Jeanne Stone, who's now in heaven, and tell her this story and bring her to tears. Because by reading that book as a 10 year old, it just made my mind just go boom of what this Michelangelo guy did. And so I feel like I had a lot of very positive instructors who built me up anywhere from my school teacher, to my coaches in sports. Leanne Woehlke  It's beautiful. It's amazing that you know that you were receptive to it and open and that you had those people that believed in you those believing mirrors to elevate you, and to really call forth the goodness inside you talk About a god idea versus a good idea, I've read your book and loved it. And how can you tell the difference? If it's something of you versus something of, of God? Tim Storey  It's not easy at first, because I think number one, we're made in the image of God. And so because we're made in the image of God, I think within us we are creators, because God is a creator. So we're creators. And that's why you see little children. You can leave them on on their own for a while, and they are already playing. I'm a princess or a little boy, you know, I'm a fireman, I'm a policeman. And they're playing games because made in His image. We're, we're, we're creators, but I think that it's very important for us to be put in the right environment where we can allow ourselves to soar. And I find in my studies that a lot of people do not soar. Because the ceiling in their household, or the ceiling in their relationships are too low. And they don't allow them to go beyond the ceiling. And so that's very, very, very important that we let the creativity rise in all of us. And so, we learned three primary ways, education, observation, and conversation. And through education, I have learned through observation of even watching all of you on the screen, I'm staring at all of you, I see what's going on observation, but also conversation can change your life. One conversation can change your life forever. Leanne Woehlke  For good or for bad. I think when I was growing up, I had a neighbor I was the kid that wanted to have the popsicle stick houses and I was convinced it was going to be this huge endeavor and we were going to make millions and neighborhood carnivals and did everything under the sun. But one of my neighbors said, Oh Leanne, and her big ideas, and so no longer Was it okay for me to have my big ideas. And the ceiling was lowered. Tim Storey  Yeah. 100%. So that's why it's important to have more than one conversation was you I would have said, Hey, so and so said this. Hey, Carmen, what do you think? Leanne Woehlke  I think I was like nine. Thankfully, I did have more conversations and my crazy idea. Continue now, as these guys can all attest to what would you say? A lot of people I work with People in the heart based entrepreneurial space primarily. And a lot of them as soon as that doubt comes up, they question Is this the thing to do even right now in the light of this interesting situation we all find ourselves in. People are doubting and what I'm finding is people are just throwing the towel in. What would you say? Tim Storey  Well, I would say that we have to truly understand what life is about and that life is seasonal. Just as in many parts of the nation, not all, but there is a there's a winter that feels like winter. Because in LA doesn't really feel like winter. But there's a winter there's a spring there's a summer and there's a fall and that's how life is. And the great writer of Ecclesiastes, he's said says there's a time and a season for everything. There's a time to terror time demand. Time to be silent and a time to speak. COVID-19 is simply a life interruption like we've never seen before. Usually we'll see an earthquake in a certain part of the world or hurricane, a tornado that takes place 911. So those are usually found in locations. COVID-19 is the first of its kind, to literally hit every corner of this thing called the planet. And so it's a life interruption. But those of us that are all watching at one time, we have to be mature enough to realize that life interruptions are going to come and it could be you having a test done and finding you have cancer, or as a child, people get molested or people get delayed. Horse never thought that would happen. And so COVID-19 is just a bigger version of a life interruption that's touched a lot of people. But I do believe that it is innate. It is inside of us to handle these things. Because there's there's a, there's a scripture in the Bible that says that God's people are like a palm tree. And in my research about the palm tree is a palm tree can go as as far as 30 feet deep into the ground. The other thing is that in its trunk, it has built in elasticity. So watch how powerful this is. You Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, bounce, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben bounce. So to all of you that are there watching me and then all of you that are listening to us, hey, how many times if we think we were going to break for good but we we were bending Bending, bending, bending, bouncing back. So the bounce back is in you, you run deeper than you thought. And no, you know, no matter what you're going through, I believe that you'll find a way through it. Leanne Woehlke  You tell a story about bounce, and you talk about how you used to play a lot of basketball. And you talk about how people sometimes lose their bounce. And it's like trying to bounce a partially flat basketball. Tim Storey  I like it. You did do research on my basketball, illustration. Yeah, so I remember one time you were all excited, you know, we're kids, so I was like nine. And one of the kids Mikey, Mikey Gibson said, Timmy, do you have a basketball? I said, Yeah, he's because mine's flat. So I went into the garage into the area where we had this nice bin because everything was organized at my house and I got the balance. basketball. It felt awful, though when we got to the court, and I went to take my first dribble it was semi full and just kind of went kind of a not a complete flop. But it was not a high bounce. And I think if you're not careful, life cannot the bounce out of all of us. And so that's why it's so important that we have self care that we feed our faith and starve our doubts. That we strengthen ourselves. So that when, when the challenges of life hit, that we are filled with the air and the oxygen, so we maintain our balance. Leanne Woehlke  It seems like pre COVID-19 a lot of people maybe lost their balance a lot of people that that were around Are you know 46 As their kids start to grow up, they have this epiphany like, Oh my gosh, how did I get here? What's the rest of my life? So in this eight week pause, they've kind of reconnected to themselves to something bigger than themselves, implemented some good habits. But I heard from one of our our clients going back to work and Tennessee just started to open back up this week and the end of last week. They're hitting up against that resistance again, because they're going back into something that no longer fits. Tim Storey  Yes. So the reality is, is that in order to do well in life, we have to have internal motivation. So I have notes on motivation, that means inspiration, stimulation, enthusiasm, but I like these to drive and initiative. What most people have is inspiration that's kind of on the outside that lasts so long. And then it begins to leak out. For when somebody has internal motivation, stimulation, enthusiasm, driving initiative, it's hard to shake that out of them. So it's very important to realize that in the midst of life, there's two things you have to have. And number one, that's a healthy soul. A healthy soul that you have to you have to guard your daughter, son, your heart, and because you got to guard your heart because that's where the issues of life come from. joy, peace, strength, goodness, all come from the heart. The second thing you have to guard and that's your healthy mind. Because without a healthy mindset, you will not create, inspire and even want to work. So, in the COVID-19 isolation, or outside of isolation, please guard your heart, guard your mind. And if you do that you're pretty hard to stop. Leanne Woehlke  Can you talk a little bit about what practices and principles you have to implement that yourself? Tim Storey  I'm gonna make this super deep. I like to listen to Stevie Wonder. He builds me up. If you watch my instant story this morning, I was Bebop into other music. I love music. I'm moved by music. I love Marvin Gaye. I love music, Motown. I love music of today. And I'm friends with a lot of the people to do music of today. But I'm, I'm very moved by the 70s in the 80s because it it, it was in my years of development. So I go back there a lot. I use music to build me because of my faith. I do a lot of studying of Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, it builds my faith builds my faith and starts with my doubts. And then I hang out with very positive people. I have an unfair advantage of most people is that most of my friends are extremely positive. And most of them are very smart, like this whole panel here. So yes, that's how I stay up here. Leanne Woehlke  Top now yesterday, I guess it was Sunday, Mother's Day. I know you had a panel One of the people on that panel was Deepak Chopra. And he was talking about in this time of that we're in that people are going almost through stages of grief. And he said, the one stage that was super important that people get through to kind of transition through this whole process is the stage of meaning. Tim Storey  Yes. Leanne Woehlke  So what would you say? What is your meaning that you're creating through this COVID-19 time you have put yourself out there in amazing ways? Tim Storey  Well, number one, thank you for thinking that. I think that, to me, is that meaning to me is goes back to creation and the fact that God created the heavens and the earth and he created human beings. I'm into I'm into human beings. So even though I may have a certain philosophy or follow a certain religious teaching, or I may be a person that was raised, you know, in an African American environment. What I'm into is human beings. And so, in a time where human beings are suffering, that's the thing that makes me rise up. So, I think stages number one, you live your life and out of living your life, fully present fully feeling fully alive. When you are full, you begin to overflow. See, I think too many people are giving just from their place of sacrifice, and their place of I'm giving because I have an empty tank and it's gonna make me feel good. A lot of my giving comes Out of my full tank. It really does. And if I feel like my tank is not full, I'm gonna go find a place to fill it. So, I'm in the meaning I'm in the matter. I'm in the purpose. And right now the world needs all of us to roll up our sleeves and help in our various ways. In one ways, I am helping us in the area of helping with the prisons COVID-19 hitting the prisons. I'm on Robert Downey Jr. His board, he created something that we're doing called Ark and prison reform. Now run by amazing people with my buddy Scott by Nick, and also with Sam who's running everything. So, you know, out of the fact that I care and then all you care, we step out and we extend our hands. Leanne Woehlke  See, I know you talked a little bit about How you fill yourself up with music with Scripture in your face. But you talked about how you How else do you ensure that your tank is full? Tim Storey  Ah, talking to you? I think we're just making it like too robotic. Yeah, like I woke up today. And the first thought out of my mind was not like I feel so alive with the sound of music. Now I woke up in my body that's in my 50s said, Ah, that was the first thing I thought. Ah, okay, so then I decided to wash my face and brush my teeth. Usually I get to go right to the gym right from that, but now I can't. So I had some other things that I needed to do like I like to study And do devotions. And I like to exercise. But I went from out and then I went to my music is an amazing thing. They got these things nowadays. I don't know if you guys have seen them, the call phones. They play us. They play music and everything pleasing. Yeah. And if I don't go to that I go to TED Talks, YouTube channels. I love to watch documentaries and interviews. So yeah, I don't I'm not very robot robotic in this. And there seems to be a lot of people depending on me. But I don't really like go so deep in it like, ooh, they're depending on me. Come on, Tim. psych yourself out. No, I am a I'm a human being not a human doing. A child of the Most High God, and I'm tapped into the source and he flows through me. Leanne Woehlke  Mm hmm. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, I think when people have even like a, like a toolbox of things like, Okay, if I'm noticing, I'm not feeling the way I want to feel. I can go to these things and they can help bring me up and you just listed off a ton of things that you do. Tim Storey  Yeah. But then I don't mind the toolbox. toolbox could be watching Rene brown on YouTube. She's amazing. Reading a Brene Brown book. Some people exercise some people do yoga, some people go to meditation, some people listen to Joel Osteen in the morning. Some people do a lot of things. But don't be robotic in this. Be free flowing. Little kids when they wake up. They're looking for two things. Give me sugar and give me cartoons. The sugar is found in the cereal that these parents are in such a rush for like, here, little Kirsten, here, little Kylie, here's some cereal and watch the TV why mommy gets dressed, okay? And so kids are just flowing, they're going with the flow and then they get on the bus, or their parents driving to school and they're, they're there. They yell at their friends when they get to school. We got to get back to a lot of that spontaneous lifestyle. So guys, I've been going at it already for five and a half hours straight. My energy show doesn't seem like that way does it? In the last five and a half hours, I'm working on gigantic books. I'm working on movies. I'm working on a plank. We're doing a giant convention in Europe next year. We're doing no next month. We're doing another one in Africa next month. Hey, I'm not running out of juice because I'm fully alive. Leanne Woehlke  Has it always been that way for you, Tim? Tim Storey  Well, there was one month... I would, I would say, I would say I'm human. So there's there's times where things have happened to me that I created that were bad. Or that happened. So be it. You know, there's times and seasons for everything. I don't pride myself on being like an inspirational talker. I'm a, I'm a human being. That's an artist who is creating by the grace of God to pretty good art. And yeah, so if I don't feel good, I might stay in. If I'm having a hair, bad hair day, I may wear a hat. So Leanne Woehlke  Well, that's that that makes perfect sense. You know, I think it is, is that sometimes, especially with social media, is we see the highlight reels of everyone's lives. And sometimes people think like, Am I the only one having a bad day or a bad hair day or the only one that can't get to the hair person because of we're locked down. Tim Storey  I am totally okay with being undone. Jerry Seinfeld, you guys get to watch his new special on Netflix if you have not seen it. Because I'm a Seinfeld fan. And I've seen him in person. And in fact, Seinfeld came to watch me speak, which was pretty cool. And it came with Tom Hanks, so that's even cool. So I like Seinfeld. And he talks about how in your 50s you don't care as much. As you're sitting in your 60s. You don't really care that much what people think, and your 70s Forget about it. So I'm going to try to tell you because all of you look younger than the 50 mark that I'm over. I'm over 50 and I'm good with it. And so I don't mind being slightly and done. I don't mean mind being slightly disheveled at times. I'm known for being a good dresser. I'm known for having some style. I'm known for being pretty doggone good on a stage. But if I have a semi off day, whatever doesn't throw me off at all. Leanne Woehlke  I think that that definitely turned 50 this year and it's definitely been like the the caring what others think has exponentially dropped. And I saw some other head shaking and people are like so i think it's it's a truth point. Talk about you elaborate on speaking things into existence. I know it originates in Proverbs. Can you share your stories around that? Tim Storey  Yeah, I think that number one is that God gives us a revelation and that revelation is a calling. So God God gives a calling, but then you have to cooperate with the calling. And I speak these this evening the secular crowds and they agree. So, so the revelation comes in your heart. It's like a calling your calling calls you. It could be for you guys that are watching. You care about pets. Your calling is to help pets or your calling is to feed the poor, whatever your calling is, but the calling comes but then you have to cooperate. That's where A lot of people break down they don't cooperate with the calling. The third thing is you have to build character. You're constantly building character to handle the calling from the building of the character, then comes the courage ah for I lose a lot of you guys, you got to have the courage to step out of the calling. Because God will always call you to something that seems slightly out of grasp. You know, like Abraham have a child, he's like, Hey, I'm 90. No abilities Ark, haven't seen rain. So all of us that are watching today, you have a calling. You should cooperate with that calling. Life will build character for that calling. Many times it'll come to coaches that we don't like instructors that we don't like. Sometimes even relatives we don't like. And then we need to have the courage to step out. Leanne Woehlke  So what do you think is your big calling? Tim Storey  Um, what's big and what's small? My calling is to be great to my 89 year old mother. My calling is to be great to my two children who are not so small anymore. My calling is to show up on time for this amazing program you're having, which I did. What's big and what's small. I mean, I got a new deal with AMC theaters. I got a new book with HarperCollins. I'm working on a $25 million play. I have three new TV shows coming out next year. Whatever, what's big and what's small, big was seeing my mother the other day, but having to be 10 feet away from her. That's how I see life. Totally. I'm not limited by I'm not moved by what other people think is big. Leanne Woehlke  Right. And that's I guess more so is what is it that? You know, you talked about having the courage to step into that next thing. Tim Storey  I think that the courage is built up. Some of you remember how many of you remember going to a swimming pool, like at a high school that had three levels of diving boards? Or at least two. You all had to lift your hands or you lived in neighborhoods that were not good. Okay, so number one, you had the low dive, the middle dive, and the high dive. Here's how to build your courage. Do the low dive a lot. And you'll go like, look at me. I'm diving off to Lodi and then little Jenny will go Hey Amber, we're gonna try the mid dive. And now you get a little older, but Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo go up. And you guys jump off the mid dive, then you see one of your little rascally friends has the audacity to go up on the high dive. And then you do that. That's what I do. So there's a lot of things I'm not that greater, greater, but I'm getting better. Like, I've been asked to act in several movies. So I'm looking for my acting book of acting book around here. So I'm taking acting lessons, but I might end up being awful. But that's the low dive. I'm going to keep trying. Maybe get to the mid dive, and then I'll make sure and congratulate you guys. When I hold up my Academy Award. Leanne Woehlke  Yes, please do. Are there people that you look to for inspiration You get higher inspiration for Tim Storey  all of you. Lan I look to Betsy Amanda, Valerie, and dm l Y and N must be Lin. Leanne Woehlke  Dawn. Tim Storey  Yeah, I I get inspired by the guy at Panera Bread. I get inspired by the guy at the gas station. There's a kid at this gas station I go to he's an amazing artist. I get inspired by my friend Oprah Winfrey, getting to sit in her backyard and talk about life. I got inspired by people like Walter Matthau jack Lemmon. eating dinner once a month with Tony Curtis. I get inspired by a lot of types of people. Yeah, I get inspired by humans. Leanne Woehlke  Beautiful and I love that you make it such a point to not differentiate who's other might think are big people and little people. Tim Storey  No, come on. I mean, the thing is, is that I know some guys who deliver water that are happier than guys who are playing in the NBA making $9 million. So, you know, I'd rather I'd rather be like a farmer. And super happy if that's my assignment, then be the guy. But I definitely do want to do my assignment and my assignment at this stage in my life is to influence people. So that's why that's working for me. But someday I might be a farmer, we'll see. Leanne Woehlke  Well, in some ways you are because you're farming people. Right? You're growing people so pouring into people and helping them grow. So maybe you are a farmer. Tim Storey  Okay. I'll take that. Leanne Woehlke  You talk about pessimism, canceling faith. And in this timewhere there's so much unknown how would you suggest someone keep their faith? Tim Storey  Pessimism will at least alter your faith. And faith is a Greek word pistas. It can be spelled p is p is faith in God or spiritual things. The more you study on a certain subject, your faith can grow. So let's say if you fly a lot, and you start to realize what these pilots have to do, to really fly an airplane, it'll build your faith. Because you'll say, Wow, they have to go through all these hours and they continue to train. So if you get on American Airlines, your faith is built, you don't need to go knock on the door and see if there's a gorilla in there flying the plane. Your faith is built, okay? If you if you find a dentist, if you're smart, you should at least Yelp them find out like could be nine people in a row like ah they used a drill on me that was illegal. So what I do to build my faith is I try to become educated on the subject where I did not have faith. And so if you if you want to have faith in God, then build yourself by reading the Bible. And that's going to give you more faith in God you want to be have faith in getting into an airplane, then, you know, study with a pilot has to do in order to fly. So if I want to have faith on now stepping into the Broadway world and doing it $25 million dollar play. It's taken me four years to build my faith to this level I've already had somebody that said they give me all the money but here's what the guy said he's very famous you guys know who he is he goes but Tim, but don't don't do anything dumb don't don't don't get in a deal with people because I have famous people involved in this thing. So the reason I have not jumped into it even though I have access to get into the money to do it, is because I'm still building my faith just because Cats worked forever, Les Miserables, Phantom of the Opera, there's so many other plays that don't work. For all you people that don't know this. I mean, I think the percentage is up to as high as 90% of Broadway plays don't work. So I'm going to do my research to see if I want to step out for real In that area of faith, Leanne Woehlke  Can you tell us what the play is going to be about? Tim Storey  Yes, I'm doing a play on Michael Gabriel and he and Michael Gabriel, and Lucifer before the fall of man. It's very surface slay. And it's all how heaven was rhythmic. And it's out of this world. The music is out of this world. The famous musicians I have that have said there'll be a part is out of this world. You're gonna feel the angels fly by, you're gonna feel the wings, the energy. Yes, that's what that plays about. Angels. Leanne Woehlke  And you wrote this? Tim Storey  I wrote about 70% of it. Leanne Woehlke  Okay, how did you come up with this idea? Tim Storey  Sitting at home At home one day, ladies. No I, I'm always like, intrigued by things. So I started being in these conversations and people from all walks of life and all these faiths kept talking about angels. And so it started out made me think then I would start seeing, like, women were wearing angels or people were really talking about angels. So I thought, let me start studying about how many people believe in angels, and it's most of the world from all faiths. And there's limited understanding on angels. And so I just decided to start seeing some shows, and how sometimes they would use something that looked angelic. And then I started getting costumes on angels with my partner who's helping me with this and we would get costumes to look at what the angels would look like. And then it just started going wild. Then I went to probably one of the three most well known artists in the world today. And they said yes, I'm interested, then I knew I was onto something. Leanne Woehlke  That's beautiful. I love that you are able to see those signs of when something keeps showing up again and again and that you're willing to trust it. I feel like sometimes I get like a kinesthetic feeling like I need to go talk to this person. And actually, you were one of those when I first met you. And the first night, when we chatted a bit, I didn't ask you and then the next day I was like, Well, I have nothing to lose. What can I you know? Why not? Tim Storey  Tell them how nice I was. I was told these ladies right here. Leanne Woehlke  You were amazing. You were amazing. So we met the first night at a reception where you spoke for a little bit up at Jason's place. In gosh, like up in Hermitage way far away. And then the next day you spoke at the City Current event. And then he was doing photos and things after. And I went and I asked him, and I said, and I had just started my podcast. And I think at that point we had charted at 58 that day, which was pretty exciting for me for not really knowing what I was doing. And I said, Hey, I don't know if this is possible, but what would it take for you to be on my podcast? And you said, it's not impossible. And you told me how to reach out and I did. And Joseph was amazing. Tim Storey  Yes. So let me tell you, on that day, on a scale of one to 10, I felt that three so for about six months, I was dealing with something that I never even had heard of heard of ladies, gut health. So for some reason for Long time I started getting dizzy, I was dizzy. I was dizzy all the time. And I was losing my energy. And I was going to the gym had a young little cocky trainer who pushed me too hard. And I was eating pretty good. going to the gym in shape for guide my age and dizzy, tired. Brain fog. I didn't know what it was what I went and spoke at that event that you're talking about, on a scale of one to 10 I felt that three. In fact, I was so bad but I never told anybody this first time I've said that that's how I felt at that event. Even to get from the car to the place where I was going to go speak. I was completely dizzy. When I got up I was completely dizzy. But never said I'm dizzy. Was on my game took pictures with 111 million people. Kissed babies. And that's how I see it. Sometimes you got to play heart hurt and just keep quiet about it. It's the first time I mentioned that. Just because all the ladies here look so compassionate I thought, let me share my "I'm hurt" story. Leanne Woehlke  But I think it's important because you're like there's always that decision is do I allow my physical state to determine how I show up in any situation? Tim Storey  Come on. Every one of us is playing hurt. We're going through recovery discovery one side at the same time. So it could be you're hormonal, it could be it could be your your hair's getting grayer and you You don't know where to do it because the salons are closed. These are huge challenges people. It could be can't sleep at night. We're all going through something, recovery and discovery. And what I love about humans is how it's built in us to play hurt. We are resilient. I remember my mother, who was Spanish, I'm  mixed heritage. My mother is Spanish Besintita Gonzalez is her name if thats not Spanish enough. We were watching Telemundo. The news and there was a picture of Britney Spears, when her babies were smaller. And that in that picture- and watch in the picture. She was almost dropping her baby. She was she was coming down and stepping and almost dropping her baby. And I said Mom, look that Britney Spears almost dropped her baby. My mom says "I used to drop you all the time." Yeah. Because Listen, we're all we all got faults, flaws and failures, big deal. Big deal. Like I could pull it together pretty good ladies, you know, I got to run with my little Beverly Hills crowd. But in the midst of that, sometimes I'm showing up, hurt, not feeling good. And sometimes not even liking some of those people I got to hang around with. But we're all going through something. Is that true, Amanda? Amanda Jones Valero  That's very true. I agree. Absolutely agree. Tim Storey  So you got built up today. You learned a little bit. Amanda Jones Valero  I feel good about it. Yeah. We'll try sourcing stuff I've jotted down into the journal. Tim Storey  Good. Yeah, absolutely. Amanda Jones Valero  Appreciate you sharing with us Tim Storey  the privilege any any other questions from any of the ladies on this amazing panel. Speak now or forever hold your peace. Lift your hands if you would like to say something. Valerie Neill  So I question I'm from a small town And I'm pretty, kind of from a very rural kind of family upbringing and country folk and that sort of thing. And so one of the things I've always kind of struggled with is this kind of abundance scarcity mindset, like I have a growth mindset that's been innate in me, and I totally am vibing with a whole we're created to create that. That's deeply resonant. Um, but I usually am, like, I'll go go, go and I'll like wanna cuz I'm enneagram six, I'm like, I'm going to take fourth, I'm going to be loyal. I'm going to learn this I'm going to grow and then I hit a roadblock. And then I'm just like, No, I'm just like these people over here. Oh, like, you know, and then I listened to the voice, you know, never amount to anything. And it feels like I'm always kind of the push pull of them grow like the scarcity and abundance mindset and I feel like it's I kind of I'm studying sociology and all of that, like, that's kind of also my background. And so I look at pockets of America. And if you look at certain pockets of America, and especially where there's poverty and things like that, the mindset is very much in a scarcity mindset. But if you it's taken people to get out of that, but not everybody escapes, right? Not everybody gets out of it. And I almost feel like I am almost like between two worlds. Always like I, I just, I just, I just go back to it. So what would you say to that? I don't even know if that's a real question. Tim Storey  No, it is it. It's a it's a comment. But it's also a real question that I love. Now, let me tell you what I've found in traveling, because I've been to every state in America but to and I've been to 75 countries of the world. I believe that certain people like in Kansas are much more happy than some of my really wealthy friends in West Palm Beach. I'm convinced by that they don't like traffic. They weren't built for all that traffic. They weren't built for all the noise. And so they have found a lifestyle where they feel like this is the lifestyle that I have, what I believe in is prospering where you're planted. So let's say if you live in Idaho, prosper and Idaho small town in Wisconsin, prosper there, New York City, prosper there. But but one person's way of prospering may not be another person's way of prospering. Like for you Do you have children Valerie Neill  No. Tim Storey  I think with Valerie, is that if I was life coaching her, I want her to be uniquely Valerie. You've been born in original don't copy. I don't want anything out of you to manifest. It's not you. And so Valerie may be quietly be an amazing writer. She may be a therapist someday. She may write a screenplay. She may just raise amazing kids and that's an amazing life. So the key is to prosper where you are planted. And don't let this society put this undue pressure on all of us of what we're Supposed to be achieving, achieving, achieving, I believe that this quote unquote achievement comes out of the harvest that you get from plowing the ground, planting the seed watering the seed, then you reap a harvest. Oh, my goodness, that was amazing Tim Storey, and that's why we're all applauding. Leanne Woehlke  That was good. Very good. I gotta wonder, Tim, do you think that the people that you're friends in in LA and Palm Beach and wherever, that part of why they appreciate you so much and why you are such a well sought out life coach to all kinds of celebrities and so forth, is because you keep it so real. Tim Storey  Yes, that's the answer. No doubt about it. Because there's only two of us that are at this level one is a psychiatrist. So he's dealing mainly with them on psychiatric problems and then, but in this, I would be the first guy. It's not by accident. If seven sought my attention, then you know you're onto a good little business. When it gets into the hundreds, then you know you're onto something. When so hundreds worldwide, then you know you're really onto something. And part of it is my approach is this. You could see a person on TMZ and they'll look for me the next day. And they'll want to talk about the dilemma. And they'll say, Now, Tim, you know what happened to me. I mean, you probably saw it's all over the news. And I'll say, you know, somebody told me You are a golfer. When did you start playing golf? And they'll go when I was nine, like, out of all the courses that you've been to Kimmy your two favorite courses, and I do this all the time and after the session, many of these stars will go. What the heck did you do to me? All I know is I feel better. I said, because you came with this massive dilemma. Okay, and you want to drop it on my table, and you wanted me to solve it in an hour. It's not gonna happen. This problem you created it took you 26 years to create. So sometimes to untie a knot. Look, you guys just take your time. I'm a master at untying knots. And don't ask me to cook. It's not gonna be good, but a master at untying a knot. Leanne Woehlke  So I know you had an event scheduled in Nashville that got postponed due to things is that rescheduled? Tim Storey  Yeah, it's gonna come up that's with me and coach Bert. Coach Bert is fantastic is my good friend. He's gonna be on my Tim Storey live, which is averaging about 150,000 people watching those on Sunday nights. So we will do that later this year. We're going to Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, Los Angeles. And the whole idea is turning your setback into comebacks. So that's going to be good. And also, if you don't mind me talking about something that I'm doing called the World Shakers Network every Monday night, I just dialogue with people. I'm teaching on the hundred traits of the greats. So each Monday I take one of the traits, so so, so, so, so good, and it's such a difficult price of $19 and 99 cents a month. How many can afford that? You better Lift your hands, guys. Have some faith. And so all my friends like, why is it so inexpensive? Because I like humans. So I like dialogue. So you know, it's gonna be thousands of people. But on zoom, you can now have thousands of people I spoke to 9300 people the other day on zoom. So the world shakers network, just go to www.timstorey.com. It says everything there, you should invest in yourself. You're worth $19 a month. Leanne Woehlke  And then how else can people keep in touch with you? Tim Storey  I think the best way is my Instagram. We seem to do a lot of posts on there. And that is @TimsStoreyofficial.  

Leanne Woehlke  Well, let's just dive right in. I'd love for you. Leslie. Tell us a little bit about your journey. What was life like for you before yoga? How did you find yoga? Leslie Kaminoff  Um, well, I was quite young. So life was like a lot of 19 year olds just trying to live independently, but still with some help from parents. So, we'd have to go back to like 1978 when I was 20, and took my first yoga class I was living in in Manhattan in the East Village at the time. Before it was fashionable when it was actually kind of dangerous. And my father was taking yoga at the Sivananda Center here in New York City on 24th Street. And he invited me to class and I went, and I went somewhere else during final relaxation, some place I'd never been before. And that intrigued me. And so I signed up for beginners course. And by the summer of 1979 40 years ago, I was up in Canada. In at the main ashram, the headquarters of the Sivananda organization is in the back north of Montreal, and I was doing my teacher training there, and it's just been pretty much what I've been doing. Ever since it's pretty much the only career I've ever had, Leanne Woehlke  Wow. What would you say? It's, it's funny is this week I actually went and I taught at the middle school, they asked me to come teach. So I taught six classes for them. And as you know, and would expect in Savasana, they get so still. And so you know, Leslie Kaminoff  If you do your job, right, and the rest of the class they get still. Leanne Woehlke  Right, that's true. But what do you think it is about Savasana and that takes people to that place? Leslie Kaminoff  Well, I can speak personally and you know, it might resonate with others, because I don't think I was I was that unusual as a, you know, a 19 year old. I had never laid down before, on a floor or a bed or otherwise with the intention of doing anything other than sleeping or whatever else you do in bed and so the idea of just lying down and intentionally consciously relaxing every part of my body was a brand new experience. So I could say that was the first time I experienced intentional relaxation as opposed to just being tired and lying down and sleeping. So that is life changing was for me. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I agree. I think it's just a sense of as our lifes get busier and busier, that intentionality drops away, the relaxation is, you know, gone completely for most of society. So it's interesting, this practice of yoga, and I'm in this personal questioning myself, like, what is the future of yoga? What is going to happen and what are your thoughts on that? Leslie Kaminoff  Well, something can have a future if it's if it's a thing and yoga is not thing. So, you know, when when a question like that is is posed, it has to be contextualized. To a great extent. I mean, I asked a similar question to my teacher, Desikachar, way back in would have been 1992 when I was visiting India and studying with him. And it was in a very specific context, though, because at the time I was working with a group called unity and yoga, which some people know is actually what turned into the Yoga Alliance. And we were doing a big international conference and inviting all of these teachers and gurus, you know, back then there were still many active gurus running yoga organizations. And we had extended an invitation to Desikachar to attend and maybe even keynote, this event. And well, we shouldn't have called it a keynote because they were There were some fairly big egos there, and it wouldn't have been good to make one person, the keynote and not the others. But anyway, he he politely declined the invitation but offered instead to do an interview with me.Which has been posted on my blog forever. And so at the end of the interview, I asked him this question, you know, I said, since you're not going to be with us, you know, next year when we do this conference, if you know this, I was recording it. And so I said, if this microphone were somehow magically linked to that, you know, event and this gathering of 500 plus people and you wanted to say something to them about the future of yoga, what would you say? And basically, he said, You know, I don't have the right to say anything about the future of yoga, at least for Westerners, and particularly for Americans because I'm not American. I'm an Indian. I'm living here in Madras. I have my own context, I have my own religion, I have my own history and context basically, is what he was saying. And, you know, the, he said, when you're talking about the future of yoga, you're what you're really talking about is the future of mankind. And he said, it was best for Americans to handle the future of yoga in America, and best be handled by people who care about the future of mankind. And that was the most I could get him to commit to say, because, you know, he was very much about the individual and, and, and entering into a connection with the person in front of him and saying and doing whatever was appropriate in that context. So the idea of him saying something that could be appropriate for 500 people he didn't know was not really the best way for him to Give a response. But what he did say was very interesting. Number one, he's not gonna, you know, be pontificating from Madras about what Americans shouldn't shouldn't be doing in the name of yoga. That wasn't his nature. You know, he probably would react the same way I do when I see all these permutations of, you know, goat yoga and pig yoga and rage yoga and beer yoga. And I think I saw your yoga and stripping the other day like burlesque yoga. You know, so all of these things that attach the word yoga, he would, you would have had a reaction, but he also would have had the perspective that, you know, in the context of the time and place where these are being offered, this is, this is what it takes to get certain people on a mat. And if that's what it takes, you know, and if once you're on that map, somebody asks you maybe for the very first time in your life to do what I did when I was 19 years old, which is to lie down at the end of all of this, and intentionally relax your body or at least be conscious of your breathing. You know, if you're doing something like that, for the first time in your life, it has the possibility to absolutely transform you as it did for me. So, while at the same time I can maintain my standards of what you know, I consider to be yoga for me, and how I teach and the people I teach. I can be very conscious of the fact that that's not everyone's context. And some people wouldn't get onto the mat unless there was the prospect of going to class with their dog or having a goat climb on them or being buzzed with beer or weed or being able to curse or whatever. So, you know, I'm pretty open minded about that. Even though I do have my reactions every time I see one of these new things come up. So that's the future of yoga. I think it's As long as we can keep the field free from people who have that reaction and then have the additional reaction of they have no right to do that, and someone should stop them. As long as we can keep the world safe from the yoga police. I think we're okay. And I've been working hard to do that for several decades now. Leanne Woehlke  Right it you know, I agree, I think if somebody can go to goat yoga and take a picture with a goat dressed in a Santa or an elf costume, and then they get the idea like, Hey, this is kind of fun. And then they come great. Is that going to be my regular practice? No, because goats pee and I don't really want to goat peeing on me or my yoga mat or my child or any of it. Leslie Kaminoff  Well, humans fart and they do that constantly. So you know, where do you draw the line? That's up of someone's body. Leanne Woehlke  That's true. Leslie Kaminoff  Yes, true. Leanne Woehlke  Now talk a little bit you alluded to it about how you have He works diligently to try to avoid yoga becoming regulated. Leslie Kaminoff  Hmm. Yeah, um, Well, I think we have to clarify terms. Because people use the word regulation, they throw it around a lot without really understanding what it means. Because I see people out there doing stuff that perhaps they shouldn't be doing. And they point to the fact that Yoga is an unregulated, multi billion dollar field at this point. And it should be regulated to prevent people from, you know, abusing their position and all of that. So, regulation is something that government does. And the power that's wielded by the government, it's very simple to understand the kind of power that the government feels it's a gun period. They wield force. And when they start wielding that force in What up to that point has been a free market, free for quality to rise to the surface and free for ship to sink to the bottom. You know, that's the nature of the market. And the fact that some people don't like the shit doesn't mean that they have the right to use the government's guns to stop them from doing it. There's other things that can help prevent some of the abuses that go on mostly better education, and better peer to peer relationships, better community communication, better feedback mechanisms that could be built into some of the things for example, that the Yoga Alliance is doing. But when, I'm not exaggerating, when I say government is a gun, you know, think of it this way. What's the worst thing that your country club can do to you if you break their rules? You know, you out there kick you up, what's the worst thing the government can do to you? If they, if you break their rules, Leanne Woehlke  they put you in jail? Leslie Kaminoff  hat if you don't want to go to jail? What if you resist going to jail, and they want you to go? They will, they will send someone with a gun to take you to jail. And that's regulation, period. And, you know, the Alliance is is an example of that. It's the Country Club. You know, you don't have to join. You may complain about who they let in or who they don't let it in or who they keep in. But the strongest penalty they can impose is to kick you out of their club. And they have done that. People have been delisted people have been deprived of using their designation. It's not a huge number with lots of digits in it, but it's not zero. It's probably not 100 it's somewhere between zero and 100. But, you know, but the point is they they're not equipped to be an investigative kind of organization where they can launch, you know, tribunals, about the teachers behavior. You know, people see the Alliance is the first court of appeal for misbehavior in the classroom. They are being very misperceived as to their role. You know, that represents a severe breakdown in community level communication and peer mentorship. And, and a lot of times it happens because of the very human tendency for people to want to avoid conflict. You know, if a teacher is doing something in the classroom, or saying something that you don't like, or if you get hurt you, you have to remember I've worked for a body as a body worker for many, many years treating yoga injury. So I hear these stories. No, so if whatever bad happens in the classroom, it is very unlikely that the student will confront the teacher about it. They may confront management you The studio owner or if it's a club or whatever, you know, they could leave a bad review or whatever, but very seldom directly to the teacher. So we don't have good mechanisms for teachers getting critical feedback or not good enough mechanisms, or enough mechanisms at all, you know, what students are very willing to share with teachers His praise, how much you're changing my life, how great I feel, how much you love your class, how much I love you, you know, the projection that goes on all of that. So there's probably nothing more psychologically damaging for a person then to be exposed only to praise and never exposed to critical feedback. And so that's something we need to acknowledge and and address I do it in my workshops by you know, we've created an online forum that all the students have access to, they can respond anonymously if they want or leave their name and email if they want us to get back to them. And I've gotten some devastating critical feedback on those forums. Stuff that it's really hard for me to hear because it just, you know, puts a knot in my stomach. But that's exactly what I need to hear in order to grow as a teacher and as a human being and to find my blind spots. Right. So, you know, all of that is a conversation worth having. But the important thing to remember is that kind of communication, it's from the bottom up, it's, it's, you know, community based. It's it's ground level, peer to peer mentorship, all of those things. When people look at the Alliance wanting to impose discipline or standards from the top down. They're really, really missing the point the lions can't do that. Even if it's decided to do that. It would be really, really bad at doing that. They're bad at returning emails. You know, they can't even return a goddamn email, how are they going to become, you know, this kangaroo court of yoga justice. It's just it's a gross misperception you know of what their role is. Leanne Woehlke  I think that there's a sense of I've heard, you know, from teachers, I've heard from students that they graduate from teacher training, and they ask, well, do I need to get certified with Yoga Alliance? And the first thing I say is, wait a minute, it's not a certifying body. Let's clarify what it is and what it isn't. And that conversation, but I think this concept you raise about community based feedback is really interesting. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah. It was part of my recommendations as one of the advisors on the standards review. You know, my, my recommendations went far beyond the scope of the one committee I was on, which was scope of practice. I just, you know, I basically just did a brain dump on everything I've been working on the last 30 years since before the Alliance existed. You know, I was in the room when we came up with the standard. So I was on the ad hoc committee. So I've been involved in this conversation before there was an Alliance. So I've seen the art of how this has gone, you know? So yeah, Unknown Speaker  If people need a little bit of context for this conversation, not just a knee jerk reaction like, Oh, you know, the Alliance should be doing more to prevent this this sort of thing. What they do well, the thing the Alliance has done well is the advocacy work, which is keeping the government out of the business of regulating yoga, they have been successful in every state in which they have gone in, to fight whatever stupid measures were being proposed by these, you know, second post secondary or vocational training boards that each state has to, to pull yoga into their, into their control. They've been very successful and the reason they have resources in order to do that very necessary work as well as they do, because of the registry is the registry is not as you pointed out, it's not a certification. You know, the only one who can this person who can certify Teachers, whoever trained them, and that's important to remember. Leanne Woehlke  Right? And you know, and I think that it's, it's a good point to even for, for students to understand. What does that mean? Obviously different schools have different credentials, different experience, different history, etc. Let's switch gears a little bit. And let's talk about, you know, you mentioned obviously, you've worked with bodies for years and trained so many teachers. Leslie Kaminoff  There's one hanging on the wall behind me. Can Leanne Woehlke  I see it? I love it. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, sometimes it doesn't work out well for the clients and just Leanne Woehlke  at least there's not multiple bodies. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, well, you haven't seen the closet. Have you? Leanne Woehlke  That's true. That's true. Um, talk a little bit about your you're known for the breath and the practice. What do you feel is the purpose of the breath and the practice? Leslie Kaminoff  Is that what I've known for most people Just think I'm the guy that wrote the book. Leanne Woehlke  Well for anatomy, I mean, but but really, I think I know when I had you talk with my teachers and training last year that you really clarified so much for them about the breath and the importance of it and so say a little bit about how did you come to that understanding? Leslie Kaminoff  Oh, um, well, I can I can point to certain milestones along the way. And certainly, just teaching yoga At first, the Sivananda system of yoga, you know, in the late 70s, early 80s, I was on staff with you and and I was directing the Los Angeles Community for them for a while in the early 80s. And teaching many, many classes and then many bodies in the class many different bodies in the classes. And I developed my interest in anatomy just from that from observing all the differences and similarities that exhibited in terms of them being able to do or not do or to what extent they could do or not do this, this basic 12 postures I was teaching them. So having the format be the same for all the classes was a great way to get started, because all the differences showed up because I was teaching the same postures all the time. And of course, you know, my curiosity started just in my own body with my own practicing before I was teaching, like why can I do this? Why can't I do that? You know, how can I do something tomorrow that I'm not able to do today? And then just extending that into that same question into the students I was working with so but the the the turning point for the breath part of it and because you know, breathing is part of the Sivananda sequence, there's breathing it's taught you know, you teach Kapalabhati you teach abdominal breathing, you teach alternate nostril breathing. You teach people to coordinate their breathing with the sun salutation. The Surya Namaskar and the beginning of class. But the turning point really came. It had to have in 1981, shortly after I went to Los Angeles to run that community for Sivananda. And I met someone who was to become a lifelong friend, who was just sort of starting out himself, Larry Payne, who I'm sure you know, who's one of the founders along with Richard Miller of IAYT, the International Association of Yoga Therapists, and he was just getting his center started in Marina Del Rey, I was in West Hollywood at the time it but we, we met had a visit and he had just gotten back from traveling around India visiting all of the famous yoga teachers that he could he tells very colorful stories about that trip. And it seemed like the person who was most impressed with was was the one name he mentioned that I had never heard before, and that was Desikachar. And I said, Well, what makes this guy so special? And all he would tell me was "it's all in the breath." That's all he would say. I think that's all he could say at that point. I don't know how much more than that he understood even after having met him. But it stuck in my mind. I forgot the name Desikachar. I didn't hear the name again until around 1987 you know, like maybe six years later. But this thing that is all in the breath really stuck with me. So I started paying more careful attention not just to how I was breathing in my practice, but how all the students were breathing. And that just led me into that particular focus when I was learning about anatomy to learn more about the diaphragm and the ribcage and so by the time I met Desikachar in 1988, I had all of these observations and sort of tricks that I had learned about different ways to coordinate the breath with movement. So I had a lot of questions. But in between that I did start working in the field of Sports Medicine and bodywork and dance medicine. When I moved back to New York after living in LA, I worked for an osteopath, who treated dancers in LA, I was working for a chiropractor treated athletes. And one of the, this osteopath I work for was quite well known and he attracted some very, very good people to work with him and, and one of them was a woman named Irene Dowd is very well known in movement circles here in New York and internationally, really. And she used to work there couple days a week, and I remember and she doesn't remember saying this to me. I asked her years later, and she not only didn't remember saying it to me, she didn't remember ever having said anything like this. She said it didn't sound like her, but I know, I know who it was her, I have a good memory. And I was asking her some questions about the diaphragm about, you know, what's the right way to breathe in this movement and that was later breathing that movement and in a That. And she just she said this word. Well, if you do it that way, you're going to lose the postural support of a diaphragm. And I was like, What? diaphragm postural support. It's a breathing muscle. But it made total sense was it just something clicked when she said that was like, Wow, there, this is a muscle of postural support, not just something that gets air in and out of your body. And and so that was in my mind. You know, just a couple years later, I met Desikachar. And so all of this stuff just was just in this brew, this mix of trying to figure things out and that's the guitar. I didn't really have any anatomical answers for me. The practice the philosophy, everything else, yes. And in spite of the fact that he was trained as a structural engineer, before he took up the serious study yoga with his father Krishnamacharya. He did not in western anatomical terms really have a lot to offer me by way of explanation when I was asking all these questions, so I just kind of kept limping along and figuring it out on my own. And, you know, here we are, you know. And what I did learn about the anatomy, though, did reinforce everything I learned from Desikachar, in terms of the brilliance of the system and the brilliance of what his father came up with, by recognizing the intimate connection between the movements of the spine and the movements of the breath, and how you can play with that to produce different effects in different people for therapeutic purposes. So that all went into the mix with the fact that, along with all this, I should mention them in the context of this whole period of my life, from then until now really, is that I've had my hands on thousands of people, feeling their bodies, feeling their breath, helping them with their breath, you know, working on deep muscles like the psoas and the diaphragm. And all of that. So there's a lot of kinesthetic learning that's come through my hands about this as well. So everything's influencing everything else. Leanne Woehlke  So why do you think we're seeing more injuries in yoga? Leslie Kaminoff  Just more people are doing yoga. I mean, just quantity of injuries or percentage of people practicing who are injured. So how did you mean the question? Leanne Woehlke  You know, I don't have hard numbers, it seems as if, and I don't know if it's with ramped up frequency or as the population of people practicing increase, we're getting people who maybe have some predisposition, or prior underlying injuries or, issues going on. It seems you know, a lot of shoulder issues, even in my own studio, and I'm pretty careful about anatomy and not pushing it too hard. I, you know, I tell them, there's nothing enlightened about putting your foot behind your head. So unless you really feel you need to do that this other poses probably gonna do the same thing Leslie Kaminoff  It's more about getting your head out of your ass instead of putting it up there. So, go go with that one if, you know, feel free to use that one, Leanne Woehlke  Right, that's that's much more useful. But it seems like I've had a couple of students who were, you know, sound bodies end up with back issues with a bulging disc, and, you know, I could look at it and say, okay, it's a mom who's had a new baby, so maybe she's holding her body in a certain way. She's pretty hyper mobile in some areas, too. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, well, first of all, I don't know that there are more yoga injuries as a percentage of numbers of people practicing. We can speculate we, you know, I don't know who has those numbers or if they even exist. Because and it's true with just about anything. You know, is it better reporting? Is it the fact that Social media amplifies things. Who knows? I do know, though, that if you look at the arc of the last 30 years or so, the styles of yoga that have become more prominent, that have really played a key role in popularizing it, in our culture, and in particular in fitness culture are the more intense forms of yoga. You know, the more athletic vinyasa, hot vinyasa styles, all of it really comes from Ashtanga. The influence of Pattabhi Jois's Ashtanga vinyasa style of teaching can't be overestimated. Because that's what made the gyms want teachers. You know, that's what made people want to make money training teachers. You know, back in the mid 90s, when we first started turning our attention to like the standards that might go into training and teacher, there was a lot going going on right then but the main thing in the market and by the way, nobody up to that point had attached the word industry to yoga. You know, 10 years prior to that, you know, in the early to mid 80s nobody attached the word industry to fitness either. Fitness became an industry in the 80s thanks to Jane Fonda in the in the VHS and you know the development of things like Nautilus and you know, the Olympics being in Los Angeles and the running craze that already been going on. There's a lot of things that came together in that place in time where I happen to be in LA in the 80s, working in sports medicine with Olympic athletes. And Jane Fonda students who were getting injured down the road because we were just down the road from her studio, right. So you know, I saw that coming together in the fitness world. Then 10 years later, I saw the fitness world start swallowing the yoga world. But there was a tremendous demand for teachers for yoga teachers at that time and not enough supply. And it's hard to imagine that now 30 years later when actually the opposite is the case. Right? So we kind of created a monster with these standards. Because we handed people the recipe for Look, here's how you teach a teacher training. Here's the subjects, here's the hours and boom, you know, but there was a definite need in the marketplace at that time. And it was being filled by people like Beth Shaw. You know, who, who you know who Beth is, right? Okay. Yeah, yeah, she created yoga fit. And, and so, you know, it was brilliant. I mean, she's a brilliant businesswoman. You know, she's going to the clubs and saying, hey, look, you want yoga in your clubs, I can give it to you next week. Just give me your aerobics teachers for the weekend. Because they already know how to teach group fitness, they're already on your payroll. You don't need to hire new people. Just give them to me. In a weekend, they'll know how to teach yoga class. That's how yoga fit was born. And it was brilliant. You know, but it made people like me and colleagues of mine and folks who had been coming to unity in yoga conferences and who would start to go to Yoga Journal conferences. And when they started doing that, it's like, you know, we're looking at this and going, you know, I don't know off the top of my head how many hours it takes to, you know, reasonably train a yoga teacher, I'm pretty damn sure a weekend isn't enough. And that's that's the, you know, one of the questions we sat down with and we came up with the 200 and the 500 things, you know, so and so this this boom has just been happening it's it's definitely showing signs of leveling off. There's all indicators right now that, you know, the unlimited growth model that a lot of studios and the bigger yoga businesses, you know, we're, you know, basing their growth model on this expected increase year over  year demand for what they're offering. You know, it's it's been pretty saturated right now and businesses are dropping like flies. I mean, Yoga Works delisted its stock a couple of months ago and, you know, they're there and in trouble closing studios left and right. And, you know, there's just a lot of market saturation right now. And the last thing that business needs, by the way is dealing with a unionized labor force, do you really want to put the final nail in your coffin just unionize the teachers that'll do it in a heartbeat. It's a whole other conversation. But it's back to the injuries. You know? We like we were not comfortable as humans, I think, not having a story that explains things, you know. I mean, that's, that's what religion is for, you know, it's not always the best explanation or an accurate one, but it's a story and it explains things, you know. And, and, and so, you know, we see all of this happening, and it shows up on social media. And it's all these conversations. And, frankly, some people have found a way to make a living being scaremongers about all of this. You know, I won't mention any names William J. Broad, but um, you know, there's others I can mention who you know, with probably all good intentions are really decontextualized what's actually happening in in yoga, you know, because here's one factor, right? Yoga makes you more sensitive to what's going on in your body, you start paying attention. Right? It's a double edged sword. I always tell people Yoga is this double edged sword. The good news is that it makes you more sensitive to what's going on in your body. The bad news is it makes you more sensitive to what's going on in your body. Right? It's the same thing. You know what what can be a tremendous benefit can also be a problem, you start noticing things. Plus, yes, you do have some more intense, forceful styles of yoga being taught, and you have people doing adjustments on people they shouldn't be doing. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard of people, clients who have come in to get bodywork and the stories of how they got injured in class by a teacher shoving or pulling or yanking or cranking on them and you know, it does happen and because We are more aware of all of these issues now they're being discussed. They're being incorporated into the way we train teachers, the way we educate teachers and the public, you know about these classes. But again, that's sort of the leveling, balancing nature of a free market. You know, when we come up with problems, as an industry or as individuals in the industry, there's no one thing is called the industry. It's just people working in the same field. But they're, they're individuals, but the ones who are responsible and want to offer good instruction, good training for teachers, the one the ones who want to have good information will seek it out and, you know, eventually, you know, things will get better. And, and, look, it's human nature to just push and find your limits by pushing and learn how to respect them by pushing too far. You know, I have been that I have been that person in class, I've been that person in my own practice, I didn't need it, I didn't need another teacher in the room pushing me at a certain point in my yoga career, to just want more and more and more, you know, more awesome as more range of motion, more variations, more intensity, whatever. And I was young and my body was young, and it was able to withstand it without too many negative long term consequences other than some arthritic knees, which, frankly, it probably gotten started even before I started yoga by you know, playing basketball on concrete when I was younger, right? So, you know, we we live and we learn to sometimes we learn by by hurting ourselves, it's unfortunate, you know, if we have to learn by letting other people hurt us. And I think that's, that's something that, you know, I've been working really hard in my workshops and, you know, whatever I whenever I write things or do interviews to you know, say look, we need to need to have this conversation. Because it is a it is a problem. But I don't know that as a percentage of people practicing, it is that much higher than it used to be. I know people back in the old days in, you know, the old classical hatha yoga days before the Ashtanga stuff before the athletic stuff who really mess themselves up just by doing really long headstands plows, shoulder stands, you know, real problem like real problems with their spine and their spinal cord and their spinal nerves from the way they've damaged their necks and their spines from you know, the classic kind of intense, hatha yoga things that we were doing back in the day. So each each style has its own risks. Leanne Woehlke  So if if we're looking at it, what is the the right way then to have individualized treatment or individualized treatment but practice and instruction so that you're getting what's right for your body or Leslie Kaminoff  Well, yeah, when you say individualize, it's not necessarily one on one. I can individualize a practice, in a group of any size. All I have to do is make sure that each student is being offered the agency an opportunity to conduct their practice as an inquiry into what's working for them. And there's a very simple formula for that, you know, and it's not proprietary, you know, I share it all the time in my workshops, and I teach using this method is very simple. It's called, try this. Now, try that and see what you notice. Right? And so, in order to use this, though, you have to not be attached to the idea that there's only one right way to do things and there's only one right result that you'll get when you do that thing, right? Because that's certainly not true. So Turning the practice into an inquiry is far more powerful, and ultimately safe than just administering cues and corrections. And comes from the standpoint that if you do it the correct way that I'm teaching you, you will not get hurt, because that's that's utter bullshit. That does not, that's not true, even a little bit. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I think there's also no way to know what's going on inside someone's body or what their joint actually looks like, unless you have an X ray. Somebody could have really, you know, shallow hip sockets or really open hip sockets and the pose is gonna look entirely different and feel very different. Leslie Kaminoff  Absolutely, absolutely. The main thing is to get the student to be a little more attentive to what's going on inside their own bodies, you know, and not rely on the teachers eye or experience or knowledge to keep them safe. You know, there's this there's this whole, you know, conversation about well, the teachers gonna come in and they're because they're a good teacher, and they have this experience or they or they wrote an anatomy book, you know, they're going to know more about what's going on in your body than you do now, from a certain perspective, that's true because I can see your body in a way you can never see it. Because not because I'm smart, because I'm not you, you know, that's a given. So, on the one hand, yes, I have access to information about you that you don't have. It doesn't mean I know what's going on inside or what's healthy or safe for you. I just know what I just know what I'm seeing. And what I'm seeing is something you can't see. So we have to balance that reality with the equally true reality that the only person who can ever know ever has a shot at knowing what's going on inside someone's body is themselves. And a lot of people don't want that agency. They don't want that responsibility. They want someone else to do it for them. And, you know, you know, I saw this happening with Desikachar all the time where, you know, he was very skillful at deflecting that and handing the conversation back to the student and not letting any of that stuff stick to him. And for that reason some people found him infuriating. They found him evasive, secretive, they would think, or just plain annoying. But what he was really doing was not accepting that responsibility for someone else's experience. And, not be willing to inject his answers into someone else's context. Because, you know, it may not be for them, it may not be right for them. And that's how he that's how he handled me. 100% Leanne Woehlke  And that's how you handle your students. That sounds like Unknown Speaker  Well, I do my best. I mean, I'm not Desikachar, but it's good to have a good role model. Leanne Woehlke  Tell me about what is a situation where you've just been so inspired by the practice, Unknown Speaker  by the practice by, like something that happened on my mat or in the In working with Desikachar, or Leanne Woehlke  Either one, it could either be on your mat as a personal experience, or that you've seen, you know, as a witness of a student. Leslie Kaminoff  I think some of those inspiring moments, literally inspiring moments are when I'm working with someone else. And sometimes it's in a group situation in a clinic or workshop where I'm demonstrating on one person and people are watching. Because then, well, let me talk about that. Because, you know, this happens all the time in the private one on one work, but when it's especially inspiring, when there's a group of students observing me work, to illustrate something we're learning about breathing with with someone's body. And usually I'll ask for the person who has the you know, worst breathing in the room, asthma or, you know, tendency toward panic attack or whatever it is who you know who's got a breathing issue, so I want them And almost always, there's this moment when I can figure out how to get them to relax and stop trying to breathe. Get out of their own way and just let the body take a natural breath on its own. Once all the effort and you know trying to breathe goes away, here's this breath that comes in. In those moments, I like to think of myself as a breath midwife, you know? Or doula breath doula, perhaps I don't know. And it's very moving. It's very moving. It's always a very emotional moment, not just for the, for me and the person I'm working with, but sometimes even more so. For the people that are watching. It's very, very evocative. It moves something that's like, there's this. Sometimes it's a simultaneous... again, good news, bad news thing that happens the moment like that. And the good news is, of course I, you know, this, this breath comes in, it's like wow, this, this can move, you know, I'm feeling space where the breath has just moved, that I have not felt for who knows how long that's the good news. And then right on the heels of it sometimes not always, but sometimes is, Oh, now I can remember why I stopped breathing that way in the first place. Right? Because there's something there's something that arises in the context of our development that has to do with what we call affect regulation, how we learn how not to be overwhelmed by our internal emotional body states that we do with our breathing, we learn to regulate our affect with how we modulate our breathing spaces. And sometimes we can go through an entire lifetime without ever knowing that it's missing or knowing that we can recover. But when it does happen in these moments, it's incredibly inspiring. Moving for everyone who's present. So those are some of the best moments. And that happens all the time in private one on one work, but when it's sort of kind of amplified in a room of people who are just willing to be present and supportive of that happening, those are those are special moments and maybe some people who'll be watching us have been in one of my workshops, when we've done that and can definitely, you know, relate to to what I'm saying. Leanne Woehlke  It reminds me of this year, I did a session with someone that does some of Donnie Epstein's work. And he says, Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, I know I know Donnie Epstein is Yeah, Network. He invented Network Chiropractic. I spoke to him on the phone once back in the old days when he's first getting started. Yeah, Leanne Woehlke  and it's now it's a lot of it. They just, it's done with breath. So to me is I thought like, okay, I'll experience it and you're on a table and moving the body in certain ways, with the breath. And you hear these stories about people that had long holding patterns and releasing it. So it's, you know, I was like, well, we kind of do this in yoga. Leslie Kaminoff  Well also talk to Michael Lee, because that's the whole basis of Phoenix Rising. Mm hmm. You know, and to to be involved in a skillful dialogue process with someone, as you're supporting them in these poses and positions. And, yeah, the, the tremendous breakthroughs people can have in this context is very inspiring. So yeah, if you ever get to talk to Michael about it, you'll you'll, you'll hear a lot of stories like that. Leanne Woehlke  Right? How do you think we do we need to emphasize the breath more in yoga. Leslie Kaminoff  I don't know who's we? Leanne Woehlke  Teachers in general, I mean, I think it's, it's there. But in this inquiry, it's almost as if there's, ah... again, as I'm kind of looking globally at the industry and thinking like, Okay, we've got this huge push for Asana. Hmm. But if we go back into looking at, you know, an Asana without breath really isn't yoga? Leslie Kaminoff  Well, Desikachar would say something like that, for sure. That was definitely his take on it is that, you know, well, he would be very practical. He'd say, you know, because we look, we'd be in the room, we'd be working at whatever practice he gave, and very simple practices, but you know, you're amongst your fellow yoga teachers or yoga therapists or whatever, and you're, he's there, and you want to impress them. So you start working a little too hard, you know, and he'll bust you on that. And so he would say things like, "If what you're doing in your asana practice is so physically demanding that you're losing a connection with your breath. You have ceased to do yoga." Yeah, and it's not that it's necessarily a bad thing that you're doing because you could be working out, you could be working on your strength, you could be working on your flexibility you could be, you know, learning some gymnastic trick. And you know, that's, that can be nice. And you know, it's not like it's bad. But if you want it to be yoga, according to this view, you have to select what you're doing and how you're doing it in such a way so as to be able to stay connected with this process of inhaling and exhaling. So if you're asking me if I think there should be more of that, well, yes, please. I mean, you know, I make my living teaching that. So I'd be stupid to say no. But again, I'm I have to also say, well, it's a free market out there. And just because someone wants to attach the word yoga to something, which by that definition, perhaps isn't, because the breath is who knows where, you know, they still may have a transformational experience because of whatever they're doing because, look whatever you're doing, whether you're focusing missing it on not, you're going to be breathing. You know, and, and breathing tends to want to find more space in your body, whether that's your intention in the practice or not. There is an intelligence which I don't think is too strong a word to use, about how your breath will help you find space for your breath eventually. And so even if it's not an explicit part of the practice, if what you're doing is called yoga, and it even slightly resembles asana practice, and it even has a little bit of this idea that you can bring your mind and your body and your breath together and you can relax a little bit. You know, because the word Yoga is attached to it that can lead you it can lead you into other experiences, it can lead you maybe to look it up on Wikipedia, you know, and you know, you're going to get An idea of the history and the philosophy and all of that, you know, it's not like this information is in hiding. It's, it's pretty available. You know, at least I've done my best to make it available and a lot of other people have and, you know, it's not it's not a Secret Doctrine. No One No One there's no secret super secret breath practice out there, that you know, you have to go to a cave to learn or, or, or sign an NDA before taking well actually there that does exist. But anyway, you know, some people know what I'm referring to. But it's these aren't huge secrets, really. It's the science is there, we're starting to understand things about, you know, polyvagal theory and vagal tone as it relates to breathing cycles. And, you know, the tako method is out there. There's just, there's a lot of available information and it's not that hard to find and if you have one of these experiences, and one of these classes and, and and the word Yoga is attached to it. It's like okay, maybe I can do it without the goat now, you know, and and find someone that that is going to explore it a little more depth perhaps if I'm willing to go to a little more depth. So yeah, more breath please. And you know, we people who care about as long as we keep doing our jobs, you know people find us Leanne Woehlke  what's next for you as a teacher? Leslie Kaminoff  Well not blowing the deadline we're working on for the third edition of yoga anatomy. That would be nice. You know, we've made the deal with our publishers Human Kinetics to come out with the third edition by around this time next year just in time for holiday gift giving in 2020. So Amy Matthews and I just had a meeting this morning we have you know, we were just regularly scheduled to keep tabs on each other as we work on the new material. For this third edition, which is really going to be much, it's going to be a lot more different from the second edition. And the second one was from the first and there's a lot of improvement in the second edition. But we said this this morning, the second edition was really what we wanted the first edition to be. But we ran out of time and budget and just patience from our publishers because we blew so many deadlines, getting the first edition out. So the second edition is really what we wanted the first edition to be, if we had had those resources. The third edition, we're reimagining a lot. And it's based on 10 years of experience. You know, from the last time we really worked on the book, and there's gonna be new illustrations and expanded chapters, new chapters, lots more information within the awesomeness so that's what's next after that is a book I've been meaning to write for since before yoga anatomy. So that's like 14 years. And it's more about yoga and my personal story. What I learned with Desikachar and my other teachers weaving in some of the things from the yoga sutras that I learned from Desikachar, and from my years as a body worker, and it also includes some of the stories I told her about, you know, the sweep of like the industry that I've been able to witness in the last 40 plus years. So hopefully, people will find it interesting, at least, I find it interesting to tell the stories, and it'll be interesting to get them, you know, out of my mouth, in my head and onto this computer here. So we'll that'll be the next thing. And I think also, upgrading my online material is a big priority for me. And that'll have to happen in the next couple of years too, because the stuff that we put up has been up for a while and I'm not teaching all those things the same way anymore, and I want to make sure that we're putting the best quality stuff out there. The fundamentals course actually is I don't think we need to mess around with that. That's the one that people use to provide the anatomy hours for the teachers. courses, and that's doing pretty well. It's the other ones principles and practices that I think are in need of some, some fresh perspective. So that's enough and travel, you know, you got all this travel happening or got a big tour to Australia coming up next year or we're headed off to Europe in a week. So, you know, I'll keep going where the gigs are squeeze it all in? Leanne Woehlke  Right? You know, I think that you've got such I'm excited for your books. I think I have the first version of Leslie Kaminoff  yoga, green or purple, Leanne Woehlke  purple. Leslie Kaminoff  That's the second. That's the second edition. Leanne Woehlke  So I look forward to the third and then your story about your own personal story. You've got such a rich history. And I love kind of getting to the people that have been practicing for four decades and have a broader history as opposed to just Instagram followers. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something you know, I mean, who could have anticipated social media and all of that back in the day, but, you know, it's just the evolution of things and people get information any way they can and, you know, build careers any way they can. But the one thing that's inevitable is everyone is going to age. You know, the people who are lucky enough to age, right? People complain about aging, I always remind them it really it beats the alternative. And so eventually, these more therapeutic ways of working the gentler ways of working, you know, as my friend Jay Brown says, gentle is a new advanced, that's his big thing, right? And there's a real truth to that. So, you know, however you got started, whether it's on Instagram or you know, with a dog or a pig or a mug of beer, or you know, joint too, Whatever, you know, if you if you stick with it, you're going to be doing it in an ageing body that's going to need to you need to adapt what you're doing to accommodate that. And, you know, hopefully I'll stick around long enough to get the next couple of generations to start looking at these things and just keep the conversation going. I mean, no, right now, I mean, for me, I always say this, you know, I said, how when I was younger, it was more and more and more and more, you know, how much can I do? In my practice? Now at age 61. Now, it's pretty much how little can I get away with? Leanne Woehlke  I hear you I turned 50 next month, and so looking at how my practice has changed over time. It's definitely very different than when I was in my 20s Leslie Kaminoff  Sure, yeah. And you know, you're busy now. I mean, you know, I don't have the free time I had in my 20s I'm living in an ashram anymore. I got shit to do The Yoga is for maintaining my ability to do my shit. You know, I, do my yoga to live my life not the other way around. And that's the perspective you get when you know if you stick with it long enough and your body ages and I hope my body will continue to age because that means you know, I'll still be here Leanne Woehlke  if you could put on like one billboard or one web page, your message for the entire world summed up happy Leslie Kaminoff  Don't be an asshole. I don't know. Wait a yoga message? Leanne Woehlke  Whatever your messages, Leslie Kaminoff  whatever my message is. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah. Leslie Kaminoff  Well, I would I would say something like I think one of my favorite quotes that I came up with, which ties a lot of different things together. But it uses Asana as a model for that, because that's what, that's the most accessible entry point. For the vast majority of people into my world, you know, I would just stick with the thing I say, which is that "Yoga is not about doing the asanaa. It's about undoing what's in the way of the asanas". And that's a deep statement and there's some deep teachings there. And that's a perspective I got from from my teacher. And it's really profound if you think about it that way. Because it's not like what we're looking for is somehow in the asana and we'll get it once we perfect it and unlock the benefit and there it is for us. It happens along the way every step along the way. When this thing that you weren't able to do yesterday, you're able to do a little bit better today because it showed you whatever was in your system that was in the way. So Yoga is fundamentally about uncovering and dealing with obstructions, you know? And the practices help us do that. Because like, when we learn a new way to breathe, what it's really doing is helping us unlearn our old way of breathing. So these these subtle little understandings, I think that sort of shift the perspective and allow us to get a lot more done with a lot simpler, a lot simpler practice. Yeah, the simpler the practice is the more profound relationship you can have to it. And that's something he forces you to recognize. Because the complicated shit is not available so much anymore. Leanne Woehlke  That's true. Leslie Kaminoff  Yeah, I've been cursing a little bit. I hope you're not gonna bleep me. Leanne Woehlke  No, you're totally fine. Right. Leslie, how can people catch up with you? Leslie Kaminoff  Oh, um, my personal website is Yogaanatomy.org. And that's two A's yoga anatomy, yoganatomy is someone else with the one A. So, yoga anatomy.org. And there's links to everything I do there my schedule and you know, things I write and blogs and online courses and what not. So that's the easiest way to find me. So thank you for asking. Leanne Woehlke  Absolutely. And then I think you're also or you were, I think you're taking a little break while you're traveling, but you're also on ompractice. Leslie Kaminoff  I was where were we evaluating how and when to reengage with live teaching on the internet. It was a really fun experiment. I really enjoyed doing it. But it when these tours started happening with the timezone difference and the changes and just scheduling wise, there were definitely times where I would have been up in an airplane. Or you know, be have it be three in the morning somewhere. For the regularly scheduled time that we that we started in the summer, when I was taking a break on Cape Cod for a month, and you know it, we kind of got it going, they're able to maintain a regular schedule. So it was it was fun. It was great. I love what they're doing with ompractice. And just, for me, to be fair to the regular students who would want to keep showing up. I just wasn't able to maintain the regularity of it because of all the traveling to the other side of the world and time zones and stuff. So we'll see. Just stay tuned. You know, if anyone's interested in that, it'll certainly be announced on in a blog post or on my web page or whatever. If we do the live teaching on the internet, the courses have been on the internet, those are on demand those those have always been there. Leanne Woehlke  Well, wonderful. Thank you so much. I so appreciate you taking time I know you're so busy. But I hope that this conversation reaches those who will benefit And you're an amazing teacher. So thank you for your contribution to the world of yoga. And to me personally, I really appreciate it. Leslie Kaminoff  Thank you. That's very kind. It's lovely to hear you say that and happy to have had the conversation. Thanks for inviting me. And yeah, just send me the link when it's out and I'll circulate it in my circles and, you know, get it out there. Leanne Woehlke  Awesome. Thanks so much, Leslie. I appreciate it.  

Leanne Woehlke  Well, I am thrilled to have Dave Buck here who is the head of Coachville, which is a fantastic coaching school with us. Today, Dave Buck  Oh, yeah, Leanne Woehlke  yeah. Well, you just talk to us a little bit about Dave Buck  Hi, everybody, first of all, great to have you here ready to play? Mm hmm. Leanne Woehlke  Do you tell us you've been in this coaching industry for so long? Dave Buck  Yes. True story! Leanne Woehlke  Can you talk a little bit about how you got into coaching? Dave Buck  Of course, that's a, I'll give you the short version because that's a very interesting and long story. That's super fun. But the basic, the basic gist of it is in my 20s I was this rock and roll entrepreneur, great business going and I really got into personal growth, okay. And I was like going all the seminars, reading all the books, I was big at lamb bark, alright, like landmark education, which probably a lot of your listeners know about. I was doing all the classes programs there. And then I had a life incident. Okay, which I which, which one of those incidents? We'll talk about that a little bit more later, but I had this big life incident happen more like, everything just went wrong. Business started floundering marriage fell apart, lost the house. Only thing I was left with after this major debacle was me and my car. Okay, so I basically lived in my car for a year. So when I was living in my car, I was really hanging out at the New Age bookstore all the time, because it was warm in there. And I was totally into this stuff. And I started doing all this visualization. But what happened was this is the clincher was when I was I was doing all these programs at Landmark and Landmark Education was really the first place that talked about coaching from a life perspective. Okay, that was a big innovation that was happening around the Landmark world. So they had this deal where if you had done a program and you wanted to do it again, you could do it for free if you were a coach. So I had no money because I was living in my car and I was homeless. So I was like, I can do all the programs again for free by coaching. I'm like, yeah, I'm totally in. So that's how it all started. I started coaching all these landmark programs. And then Thomas Leonard, who worked at Landmark for Warner Earhart, he left Landmark as an employee and got the bright idea, hey, this coaching thing can be a profession. Right? So he left Landmark started the life coaching profession. I heard about it from a friend at Landmark. I didn't know Thomas at the time yet, but a friend of mine through Landmark said hey, Dave, life coaching is a profession now you can totally get certified. I was like what? That is all me. This is like in the 90s. And so it was like from I'm living in my car to coaching because I could take the classes for free to becoming a professional life coach that happened in the 90s. And then I met Thomas Leonard and I became best friends. That was a whole long, crazy story. But that's basically how it is. It's like, life sometimes gets these takes these crazy curves. And then you find yourself in just the perfect place at the perfect time. Like not by you know, wasn't my own doing. It was like, other than my own doing of, you know, crashing my first business, but I could take responsibility for that. It's called not marketing, but that's a whole. That's a whole different story. But yeah, so that's how I got into life coaching. So in 1997, I was one of the first life coaches. And since I had been in business since I was like 12 years old, doing a whole different kinds of businesses, the business part actually came pretty easy to me. So what happened? There was, I was one of the very first life coaches to create a multiple six figure income just on the phone talking to people sitting by the lake talking on the phone to people, and you know, having a six figure business. So there were other life coaches that were starting to get into that six figure realm, but most of them were doing their big money in corporate. I was actually a personal life coach, making six figures and I was one of the first ones in the world. So that's kind of how it all that's the that's the shortish version of the story. Leanne Woehlke  It's I have to ask what was your first business when you were 12? Dave Buck  My first business when I was 12, was cutting grass. And then, then I moved on to delivering newspapers, babysitting for kids, cleaning houses, just like everything. I was like young entrepreneur around Downtown. That was pretty much me. Leanne Woehlke  I love it. I'm noticing that there's, like this entrepreneurial gene almost, is inbred in people. And it It helps them. Yeah. It helps them just figure things out. It's almost as I call it, like a scrappiness. Dave Buck  Yeah. It is a scrappiness. It's true. It's true. But you know, what, a big thing for me just in terms of the whole business thing that that we were talking about was I, I slammed headfirst into this wall of fear. And I didn't know it at the time, that you know, this is in my late 20s, when my computer software business, which was going really great just slammed in, you know, slammed into a wall. And the thing was, I had built all of my businesses on referrals. So it was all personal relationship marketing. And then my computer software company got to a point where like, the referrals weren't really coming anymore. I was going to have to start doing more marketing, like traditional marketing, like getting out and doing things in the world to get business. And I just couldn't do it. I just could not at that time, I just slammed into this wall of fear, which I've since, you know, figure it out, but, and then it got into once I got into the coaching, I started slamming into that same wall of fear, but this time I had a coach. So made a big difference. And then I figured out what this big wall of fear was all about. And then from there. My business really has flown since then, with lots of, you know, bumps along the road. I don't want to see you know, hasn't been smooth sailing all the way for sure, because life's not like that. But I was able to figure out what the big wall of fear was and then play with it and move and move on. Leanne Woehlke  Now that's so interesting, because what I know about you and even going through the CoachVille program, I think one of the The the methodologies that you have is your inner freedom method. Dave Buck  Yes. Leanne Woehlke  So was that born out of your own experience? Totally. Dave Buck  Let's just say yes. Yeah. Because I haven't been in the personal growth field for so long. And, and then coaching people the basic methodology of around fear, what I was, you know, when early in the field of coaching and and personal growth was what just get over it. Just get over it. Like just do it. Like just do it just get over it, pout, you know, don't you know, crush your fear. And what I found out was that's just a terrible method. Like it just doesn't work for most people, like a very few people can overcome fear with the just get over it. approach. And even then, those people who can when you're younger, when you get a little older, it doesn't work anymore. Like you just can't get over it, because it's deeper and it's more at a non conscious level. And it's, it's, it's tricky. So that's where the inner freedom method came from from it came from my own experience and then also coaching. So many, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who are slamming headfirst into fear and then saying, well just get over it, I would cheerlead the crap out of them. And it just didn't work most of the time. So I started looking for answers. And that's how the inner freedom method was born. And it's a it's a it's really a deep, it's a deep coaching.  The inner freedom method is this deep way of exploring what's happening to you within you at a non conscious level and it's exploring the body and exploring your relationship also, with supermind, which is this human potential energy field that we're all connected to? And if you start if you learn how to read what's happening in your body and what's happening around you, you can start connecting the dots and figure out what is this fear about. And that was the big turning point was, instead of trying to fight fear, overcome fear. You look at your fear as your friend. And you realize that and what I realized in coaching so many people was almost any fear that a human being has is a social fear. There's not many physical fears, like there's no Tigers chasing us, you know, in the woods, so it's related to other humans is that so it's a social fear in some way. And all social fear is learned. And the thing we learn to fear the most is our own unique power. Because that's where we get we we get in trouble. early in life just by playing and being ourselves, and then trouble happens, and then you learn Oh crap, either consciously or mostly non consciously. Whenever I do this thing I do, people don't like it so I'm going to stop doing that. And gradually over time your unique power gets buried under fear now that's a good news bad news story. So then the good news is once you know that what you're really afraid of is your own unique power when you start to feel afraid. With the right coach you can use follow that fear like a treasure map and, and and rediscover your unique power. So that's what I do. Leanne Woehlke  And I've got to just say is I did an inner freedom session with somebody yesterday. Nice and it's it's turning out to be, I think, my favorite methodology. And it's so different than anything anyone else is doing. Can you describe Little bit of it seems like everywhere I see nowadays people are calling themselves coaches. Dave Buck  Sure. Leanne Woehlke  And so can you describe a little bit about the differences and types of coaches and how CoachVille and what you do is like you gave you a little sense, but how is it so different than? Dave Buck  Well, I mean, first of all, coaching is awesome, right? So, of course, a lot of people want to do it, right. That's one thing at the same time. You know, like, if you if you think of like basketball, for example, there's coaches at all levels of basketball. You know, the little league basketball team has one of the parents coaching who maybe did a weekend basketball coaching course. And now they're coaching their little league basketball team. Fine. That's okay. Right? That's okay. Hey, but they're not professionals. Right? That's the thing. This is where it gets clunky. You know, it's, you know, a little Basketball Coach doesn't expect to get paid. And then you have high school basketball coaches, they don't get paid too much, but they get paid a little bit. And then you have college coaches and then pro coaches and there's levels. And so life coaching is the same thing, right? So you just want to be respectful of the levels. And so the higher level of professionalism is going to be someone who's got more professional training and as gone through more experiences to prove and show that they can coach at a professional level. So I have no qualms with someone going to a weekend coach training program and then coaching their friends or coaching some colleagues at a you know, pro bono or low fee rate. But if you want to be a true professional and coach at a high level, then you need to go for professional training and even in in all the sports. You know the basketball coaches, soccer coaches, you can coach your little local team with a little bit of training, but even people who played at a high level, they have to go to the full multiple week, multiple month training programs to coach at a professional level. That's all it is. It's just, it's just a it's just about levels. So at CoachVille we, we teach people how to coach at the highest level, we know we're a full certified program with the international coach Federation, which just basically means we jumped through a crap ton of hoops to be able to say, we did that. And there's value in that. It's like, sometimes you think, oh, man, we're jumped through a lot of hoops. But that's part of what distinguishes professionalism in most fields is you just have to jump through the hoops and show you can do certain things at a certain level. And you know, I've taken lots of training programs, and over the course of my life, and a lot of training programs are pretty bad. Right And so, to be an ICF accredited program, you really Have to document that you know, what you're doing as a training program, and it's rigorous and it's hard. And you know, it just basically shows, hey, our training program is really professionally done. And we help people become truly professional coaches. And that's, that's what we do. Leanne Woehlke  That's a great distinction. I love your analogy about the different levels of coaching. Because it is I think, you know, people as they're thinking, well, gosh, maybe I should have a coach. And I've had someone say, like that they had worked with a coach and they didn't get the results they expected. Mm hmm. But I don't think they knew what they were buying. Dave Buck  Correct. That's right. That's right. And, and that's, that's, that is really the big thing. That's where it's like, okay, you could say I'm a basketball coach. Okay. Are you a little league basketball coach, or are you like coaching, you know, the San Antonio Spurs, like, what, you know, they're all basketball coaches. So, you know, it's just about what is the level of the coach and so really This what this is about, I think in terms of professional coaching is it's it's about when when you have when your dream is big enough, then you're going to look for a big enough coach. You know who's who's ready to walk with you because coaching is walking with or playing with. This is a big thing about coaching. You know, what makes coach Phil unique, I feel also is there's a lot of coach training programs that have come into being over the last 20 years that have sort of, they, they what they call coaching is like this hybrid model of like social worker, and project manager. It's like, let's talk about your problems. And then we'll come up with an action plan and I'll manage you in action. Right, so it's like this social worker project manager combo plan, but that's not cool. teaching that is not coaching, but that's what most people do, right? But real coaching in any way anything whether you're coaching basketball, or piano, or dance or any kind of coaching is simply play together to play better. Have a great coach is going to play with you. Practice with you so that you can play better. And that brings up the big question that everyone always asks, well, how do you play life? And that's really what we've what we specialize in it CoachVille is talking about you can play life. In fact, you can and you can practice life. You can practice life, and then go out and and play for real. And by practicing, you get better you get confident, and then when you do the things that you want to do for your dream. You do them with confidence with capability with energy because you've done before you've practiced that a bunch of times with your coach. So that's the big thing. You know, when you're talking about doing an inner freedom session, that's a way of playing with someone using their visualization using their body awareness. You're like, in them in there with them, you're walking with them. It's not Oh, tell me about your day and tell me about your problems. It's like, okay, we're going to dive into your mind through your imagination together. And we're going to explore this situation and figure out where the fear is coming from. That's some serious deep coaching stuff. Like that's the real thing. So, yeah, that's and so that's really the big thing. And CoachVille, what we're all about is played together to play better. Leanne Woehlke  I think it's there's also a transformational aspect in my experience of CoachVille, that it's helping people to then be able to go on, it's not just managing the tasks. Dave Buck  That's right. Leanne Woehlke  That's which I think was was such a great distinction when I experience that, can you talk about how you came up with the concept of play, which is part of CoachVille, Dave Buck  it really is. I had a big, you know, awakening, you know, life is a sequence of awakenings. And as you as you know, so this was about 12 years ago now, so I started CoachVille with Thomas Leonard in around 2000. And then in 2003, Thomas died of a heart attack, and I inherited CoachVille, and I was running it and it was hard, and all sorts of trouble. And I was in all these lawsuits, it was like just a crazy time I ended up with a wicked case of post traumatic stress disorder. So a lot of you knows a lot of really deep challenges and then coming out of that traumatic experience. I was blessed having Great therapist and then great coaches. And to have you know, the possibility is post traumatic growth, like you can't when you go into a deeply traumatic experience, if you have the right support, you can pop out of it in a big growth mindset. And so what happened to me was when I popped out of the post traumatic stress, I had this major awakening about coaching, which I had been doing for a long time and leading the field for a long time. But I really had this awakening that we've gone off track. And as similar to what I spoke about with you just a little bit before we got off track with the field of coaching and it had devolved into this social worker project manager thing. But that's not what coaching is. I come from a I was a college soccer coach for 14 years I've been a performing artist. I used to sing jazz and little clubs and I had athletic coaches and I had had performance our coaches. And I just suddenly woke up to the fact that the performance art coaching experience and the athletic coach experience was very different than what we were doing as life and business coaches. It was like a totally different thing. And like, what is it like a bass when I've had voice coaches? My voice coach didn't say, oh, what do you want to talk about today? My voice coach says, sing something for me. What are you singing? Let's sing like, and then we're singing back and forth and playing and practicing. My soccer coach didn't say let's talk about your soccer problems. My soccer coach says, Okay, let's play. Let's work on these moves. Let's try out this situation. So I'm thinking, what are we doing? How did we devolve into this problem centric view of life? That's not life. Life is for play. I just had this awakening. We're here to play live. And that's really what Put me on this new road of, we've got to talk about coaching as play, you play with someone you play together. So how do we play life? That turned out to be very interesting, you know, journey for me to talk, figure out how do you play life and to draw in my wisdom from performance art and athletics and business and leadership and personal growth. And that huge like Venn diagram became, you know, what we do a coach, build a play life method, and then talk about how to play life and coach life. And essentially, the simplified version of it, which took years to create, you know, it's like, you know, something is good when it's simple. Like, it started out really complicated. And now it's simple. So, to play life as a human being, we all do the same thing. So this is how we play we relate to other people and we play for influence. We create things and experiences and we share them with people. We explore new places to see new things and also to be seen. And then we experiment. We try to do things in new ways and playful ways without worrying about mistakes. And those four things, relate, create, explore, experiment, that's how we play. That's how human beings play. And so, as a play Life Coach, what you're doing is you're talking with your player and playing with them on Okay, what are the converse? What's the next conversation you need to have? And you and I have done this many times, like okay, let's roleplay the conversation. So you get some clarity on what you on the influence you want to create. What are you creating that you want to share with people and then we We use the inner freedom method to get into your non conscious experience of freedom. So you can see where your fears are. Because this is the thing that's really big. My big dream in life right now, this is a bit of a segue in or a pathway in, but my big dream is to unchained the spirit of play in human beings and to guide people all around this world to play for their dream by hiring a coach. Okay, this, these, all these pieces go together is you know, life. We're here on this earth to play for our dreams. And we are not here to do it alone. Right? We are here to have a guide and to guide each other. And so when you look at this notion of playing life, well relating to other people, with the idea of influencing them in a positive way, well, that has a big fear, fear of rejection. It's we all learn it. We're terrified of rejection. We talk about creating and sharing. So we all have something we want to create or experiences we want to create and share. But what's the fear, fear of disappointment. We all are totally chained with this fear of disappointment, then exploring. You think about our curiosity where we were humans we want to explore. But then we learn the fear of trouble, like getting in trouble, like there's going to be trouble. And then with the experimenting, and just trying new ways of doing things, we all learn this terrible fear of mistakes, and perfection needing to be perfect. So, all of these fears are learned. I live in New York City, and there's children in playgrounds, and I'm telling you little children and playgrounds are not fearful of mistakes. They are not fearful of rejection. They go and talk to whatever kids are there and they start creating games together and they're not Afraid of, oh my god, this thing we're creating right now is to four year olds, it might not be perfect, we better not do it. No, they just play. So my big inquiry has been where what happened to us? How do we go from these wildly exuberant, playful creatures to so fearful? And you know, that's been my big journey is, first of all to learn where all these fears are coming from, and then create a coaching method to unchained us from these fears and, and part of it is, as adult players of life, we actually have to take responsibility for the raw power of play because it's powerful. And it so we have to be able to play with responsibility. That's the big thing. So and but we can we're all totally capable of learning how to play with responsibility, and be responsive play and be responsible and that's, this is this is What this is what playing big in life is all about. Leanne Woehlke  So how do you approach someone who might be in a traditional, like corporate very structured or sure reality and get them to embrace the idea of play? Dave Buck  Yeah, it's it's not easy. It's not easy because the environment always wins like this is what is you know, this is one of our mantras that CoachVille. So we are all fear that we've learned, we learned in an environment, okay? We all learn our fears, in the environments we grow up in, whether it's at home, and then school, and then jobs, we just keep reinforcing these fears. Like As humans, we need to be fearful of our power and our play. Okay, we keep learning that fear over and over again. So, he first of all, you just have to help help the person see that their that their fears have been learned. Okay? It's not inherent to who they are, okay? Fear of play and fear of our power are learned. So then if you can just get that idea, then you can just start making small steps. I mean, like anything else, you just have to start making small steps. But the big piece of it is any human being any collection of human beings, they're human beings. So while you might think, Oh, I can't relate to that person, I'm afraid but the truth is, they desperately want you to relate to them. They desperately want we're all yearning to connect and to be seen and to play. So you just have to realize and have the courage and that's why the person with the coach, okay, so the person with the coach has their corporate life. So as a coach, you would say, all right, what some who, let's think of someone on your team that you would like to connect with in a in a deeper way, and really start to have better conversations than whatever you're talking about. So they think of that person, there's gotta be there's always someone, and then you roleplay that conversation, what do you want to ask them? What do you want to do with them? What's the little, you know, mission you want to create on your team to get everyone on board to do things in a new way. So you start role playing, you start exploring the fears that they have. And so they're the ones with the coach. So they're the ones on the adventure at their office, that are going to start this little mini revolution of getting people to connect and play and experiment and explore which they are all yearning to do. They're all yearning to do but they're just equally afraid. Okay. So the one who has the coach becomes the courageous one. says, hey, let's try something a little different. Let's relate to each other this way. Let's, let's not exclude people, just because They don't believe what we believe or whatever, right let's, let's be more open, let's be more inclusive. This is what all human beings are yearning for. So it's just, this is what I say when I say, play bid for your dream by hiring a coach. You're not going to do it alone. Yeah, we're not meant to and you're not going to if you want to play any bigger than you're playing now, you've got to have a coach and and but I've done this many times I've coached many people in seemingly impossible situations. And through coaching and playing with their fear. They were able to be the courageous won in there in that place, and and help help to break free. Leanne Woehlke  I think something you were talking about about   practicing those conversations with those role plays is so powerful. You helped me with one with my husband and what I was what I was thinking I was portraying and community King was so different than how it was landing. Mm hmm. And the listener. Yeah. And that's, you know, we think in my in our heads like, Oh, well, of course, this is what I'm saying and they should know it. Dave Buck  That's right. But they don't. Leanne Woehlke  They don't know. And that was that was a huge profound awakening. Dave Buck  Yeah, it is. And that's coaching, right coaching is, coaching is playing together, and observing. That's what great coaching begins with the power to observe someone at play. You play with them, you observe them, and then you can share. This is how this is coming across. This is how you're coming across. Let's experiment with some new ways. And let's visualize some new possibilities. And that's coaching. I like to use the metaphor of a tennis coach because people can kind of get this picture even if you've never played tennis, you've probably seen it. So a tennis coach is on the other side of the court hitting the ball back and forth. And so as the coach, you use your skill level to hit the ball at just the right level of challenge for the person you're coaching, right? So they have, they might have little skill and the balls flying all over the place, but you use your skill to always hit it to them in just the right place. So they have the challenge that they can rise up to. It's not too far just right. And that's what great coaching is great coaching is being the observer and the play partner, the practice partner to keep giving your player just the right level of challenge that they can rise up to and then they keep rising up to the next challenge and the next challenge in the next sounds by playing together. And over time. Amazing things happen. You get better and better. You get clear and clear your dream becomes more real. And then it's just starts happening. Yeah, yeah, that's what I say. That's, that's the It's a coach's practice partner. I think that's really an important distinction when you think about so for all the folks listening, if you have a coach that's kind of like, oh, tell me about your day, tell me about your problems. What do you want to talk about? Okay, I'll hold you accountable for some tasks, then you just say, No, this isn't gonna get me where I'm going. I need someone who can actually play with me and guide me and keep challenging me to play better in life. That's what I need. Leanne Woehlke  Right and, and that is, that's a huge distinction. They don't need somebody necessarily to follow up on their day planner. No. Dave Buck  No, one thing I want to talk about too, yeah, is this might appeal to to your your listeners. I'm a I'm a I don't even know how to say this. I use tarot cards a lot. Okay, I love tarot cards, because they give me a view into non conscious awareness. And so My favorite tarot card is the tower. Okay, so in the tower card, you've got this tower, and then this lightning bolt just comes flying out of the sky and smashes the tower. And then there's two people depending on the card deck, but there's usually two people that are just flying out of this tower. Right? And so, I have in my new coaching program that I'm creating the symbol is the lightning bolt. Okay, because that's, to me what coaching is, coaches are lightning bolts, okay? Because if you think about these people in the tower, they might be up there in the tower because they're trying to, you know, get safety away from life, like the tower is the comfort zone. And then the lightning bolt just goes Blam. And then they're flying out of air. It's like Alright, well, we're in the world now. Let's go I guess we're at our tower is shattered. So we got to get on adventure. But the thing that's interesting about the tower is that when you see these people flying out of there, they might have gone up there on their own to try to escape from life. Be safe from life, but they also might be imprisoned. Because in in, you know, in ancient medieval times, towers were used to imprison people. Right. So, as I was thinking about it, like these two people are up there. We don't know if they're up there on their own, or if somehow someone locked into imprison them up there. But it actually doesn't matter whether you were imprisoned by someone else, or you were imprisoned by your own fears of the world. You need that lightning bolt to get out of there. Like, bam. All right. We're out. We're out of the comfort zone. Now we're out of the tower now. All right now let the adventure begin. So I just really think that's so that's to me what coaching is about coaching is the lightning bolt because our human instinct for self preservation is always going to keep us really closely tied to, you know, this self preservation zone or comfort zone. And when you start to move out of that zone, the first thing you're going to experience is fear. Because that's how the human being as organized to keep us safe. So your fears trying to keep you safe is trying to keep you away from troubles you've experienced in the past, but almost always, your dream is on the other side of that fear. And so what you need as a human being is to understand first of all, there's always going to be a pole there. This natural pole inner pole between your dream pulling you out, and your self preservation pulling you in, like up into the tower for safety. And that pole is always going to be there. And I'm a big proponent of self love and just saying, We have to stop these things of saying, Oh, I have self sabotage. Or I have self limiting beliefs or I have a bully or a demon or a gremlin or a beast. It or my ego is trying to blah blah, blah, like no stop all this derogatory, blaming, blaming, never helps. Blaming any aspect of your humanity does not help. It doesn't make it better to say, Oh, I have a self saboteur lurking inside of me, that doesn't help you live your dream, right. So it's like we got to love up our own perceptions of our humanity. Say, all right, I have this dream, this vision It's calling me out. I my self preservation instinct is pulling me in. And that poll is what makes life interesting. And that's why there's the coach, the coach is that lightning bolt to keep smashing the tower and keeping you out in the world where your dream is going to be fulfilled, you're never going to fulfill your dream and the tower. Now, so that's the thing is the coach as this capable guy walking with you playing with you, continuing to challenge you through that zone of fear because like I said, Every fear you feel is a fear either of play or your own power. Leanne Woehlke  So sometimes people will say like, Oh, I read this book, and it helped me understand some aspect of myself And sure, how is that different than working with a coach? Dave Buck  Well, it it's it's different in a lot of ways. I mean, when you When you read something and have an insight that that is good, it can be great, right? But then Living it is the challenge. Right living it, applying it using it in life. And this is something I do all the time as a coach, someone will read something or get inspired by something that they read. And I'll say, Oh, that's so great. Let's practice it right now. Right? So take it from concept, what's the concept? Okay, well, how do you apply that in life and then either we're going to roleplay it, if it's a conversation, or we're going to do inner freedom, we're going to go into imagination, and imagine yourself actually doing it, whatever it is, and then that makes it real, then it's like, okay, now, you take it from a concept to I can now see myself doing this in the world. And then once you get that practice with a coach, then it's so much easier. And then you can do it, then you just then you can do it. So that's the thing. It's like coaching is the it's the catalyst to go from good idea to living in the world. Leanne Woehlke  So if someone were to go through the CoachVille program, what does that look like? Dave Buck  It looks like a big adventure. That's what it is. It's a big adventure. Well, it from a Leanne Woehlke  How long is it? Dave Buck  Yeah, I mean, it takes it takes about a year, sometimes a little over a year. And the classes are all done by phone. So you dial into a conference bridge and your classmates will be there and your instructor will be there. One thing that's really unique about CoachVille, as you know, is we're really big on practice. So on every call and every class, part of that call, you're going to be coaching. Your practice partner and your practice partner is going to coach you. We use the maestro bridge to technology. So we're in the big group. And then we break out into small groups. There's lots of conversation. It's very dynamic. Every call is a dynamic experience. And then in addition, there's there's a lot of audio that you listen to of coaching calls and other prior classes to get the concepts and to really listen to the code, listen to coaching, done at a high level. So it's a multifaceted experience. And then we also really encourage you to have practice players, you know, to apply every week what you do in class with your practice, partner, then do that with 234 or five people in your life friends, family, colleagues, whoever people you know, on Facebook, just get into practice, you've got to do it. Coaching is mean really coaching, if, as far as modalities go, coaching, when you're doing it is more of performance art and the only way you To get good in any performance art is practice, you've got to practice. So you have guidance, someone observing you, and then you go out and practice. And so that's the the coach program is, is a sequence of, of classes and concepts that take you for take you through this whole journey of learning how to coach another person first to recognize their own power to recognize and articulate their own dream. And then to, you know, through the play life method, you learn these ideas of how to play life and the fears that we experience in playing life and how to coach people through those fears. Then we go even deeper into the non conscious part of coaching, which is the inner freedom method. And then we also have a whole curriculum around coaching the person in their environment and you know, your your folks Well, we'll understand this. But playing life is in many ways is a game of alignment. Right? It's a, it's an energy alignment. So there's you, you want to create an energetic alignment between the you that you want to become, and your dream. And so when you start to shift, who I've always been this, but now I want to become this new version of myself, I've always done this, but now I have a dream of doing something new, something bigger. So then you've got this new version of you this new dream. And now the game is to get alignment. So you've got to line up your beliefs, your skills, you've got to recognize the fears you have, you have to align your conscious mind your non conscious mind, your environment, your connection to the super minds, you've got a real line all these things between the New Year And your new dream. And so the coaching curriculum basic the CoachVille coaching curriculum, walks through each of the steps that you need as a coach to create that alignment, conscious mind, non conscious mind, environment and super mind. And then you've got to create that energetic alignment. And that's really what life coaching is. It's the playing together, and then playing this alignment game. And that's what we teach you how to do. Leanne Woehlke  I think one of the things that was that struck me and was a little surprising when I went through coach felt is the amount of personal growth that I personally experienced throughout the program as well. So it wasn't just like skill set learning how to coach but it was also a personal trainer, you Dave Buck  share an example I would love to hear it. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, I began to look at how my business was going to operate a little bit differently, as well as how I was going to interact with people within you know, my world. Yeah, so lots of differences. And I can look at even starting privately coaching clients, which wasn't something I was actively doing prior. And I wasn't sure that that was going to be something that I did, but through the classes, and then through the practice players that I had throughout the program, I really began to love it. Like that was my favorite part of the week. And then I had people who even people that I coached a year ago and coach them for, you know, I would do three months at a time and then six months, because they wanted to continue on. And there are people that still don't text me and say, Hey, can I have a session? I need to? Yeah, he threw some things. Sure. I love that. Yeah, that was surprising. Dave Buck  No, you you made a lot of amazing, amazing leaps in your own potential and possibility. And the thing that I say all the time when I talk to people about business, a lot of people and we've been taught this notion That you build a business in order to become free. But the truth is, you have to become free in order to build your business. And that's really what I saw you do as you became more and more free to express your own power, really owning it and expressing it and realizing that Yeah, I am this powerhouse. I can be kind of bossy. And and this is the thing I say. I said all the time. We learn to fear play and we learn to fear our power. And so your power, your bossiness power was wholly chained up. And as you unchained that power and started to express it, people then actually felt more at ease around you because they're like, oh, now she's finally just Being herself. And then that's when good things start to happen. So as you became free, then your business started to grow. And that's, that's that's actually how it works. So that's why, and you're not going to be free, this is the thing, you are never going to get free by yourself. And we're not supposed to the idea that we're supposed to be able to do things ourselves is a is a wrong notion from the industrial age of school, where everyone has to sit there by themselves. And the teacher says do your own work if you help your neighbor, you're a cheater. That's not human. That's dehumanizing. Humans are co creative, collaborative creatures. So the idea that I should be able to do this myself, that's just a totally wrong notion. You shouldn't be able to do it yourself. You're supposed to be co creating every Hero's Journey story from the beginning of humankind, the hero has a guide. Well, there's a reason why all these stories have written this way is because humans are supposed to guide each other on our adventures. So just we got to let go this Industrial Age school thing of sit that sitting there by yourself doing your own work. And it's so isolating. And that's really I find the biggest problem that people have in any endeavor in life is isolation. isolation. Barbara Sher always said it isolation is the dream killer. So you've got to get out of isolation and back into co creation, and that's why I'm so big on you know, unchained the spirit of play, and hire a coach. That's, that's that's the, that's the plan. Leanne Woehlke  So if if who comes to coach Phil, like, what kind of people are they people who were Dave Buck  business consultants? Are they Yeah, all kinds, you know, people ask me all these digital marketers, are you asking me to like make my avatar I'm like, a human who wants to be awesome. Like, that's our avatar. I don't know what else to do. tell you, I mean, we have so such a diverse population. We have students all around the world who speak English from very, you know, Jordan, Sweden, Czech Republic. I mean, US, Canada, obviously, but all around the world, different ages. It used to be there was a sweet spot of like 45 to 60. Now we have 20 year olds in class, right? We have 20 year olds, we have 70 year olds. So there's no age if you it's really people who have had some life experience that they want to share. And they want to learn how to do it in the best possible way. So what anyone who's You know, I think the the people who become a coach are the people that have faced some kind of a big challenge, had some awareness that has helped them get through that challenge, and now they want to be a guide for others and they also want to keep growing right? That's really those are the two components, you have this desire to be a guide for others, and you want to keep growing because like you said, this is something we tell people all the time before they come into our school. Life Coaching is the most rigorous personal growth program ever invented. If you want to keep growing a lot, become a coach, because every person you coach is going to actually challenge you to keep growing and raise your level. So those are the people who come to coach Phil. I mean, it's from a wide variety of things. This is funny story. I met this woman I was speaking at an event. This woman was there. She said, Oh, coach Dave, you know, I've been a social worker for 20 years. And, you know, I was thinking I want to start coaching, but I don't think I really need any training. I'm a social worker, I already know how to do it. And I said, I'm sorry to tell you this, but your social work training has almost no correlation to coaching and she was like, so mad at me like that, I would say such a thing. So anyway, I don't know how but she decided to do our program. And so I had her in class the other day. She's been in the program for like three months. She says she's during the during the q&a, she says, coach Dave, I just need to apologize for you. I was so mad at you. And you told me that my social worker skills were not going to apply to life coaching. But now I'm just going to tell you, you were right. This is totally different than what I was doing before. And I'm so glad I'm here learning how to do this. This is making me so happy. Leanne Woehlke  Well in it is different. I've had clinical psychology, PhD level courses, I've had group psychotherapy classes, social classes, clinical interviewing classes, and it's very different than what I learned at CoachVille. And I could have been a coach without those classes. Dave Buck  Right for sure. Leanne Woehlke  You know, so that's, that's the interesting thing is it is a different skill set. One of the things that I find so profound is this idea of judgment free awareness? Mm hmm. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because that was a huge pivot. Yeah, Dave Buck  this is a big, it is a huge pivot because it's essential to the coaching experience. And it's also essential to play. Okay? They, it's a part of both. So, to be to be able to play, you have to be able to just act without fear of mistakes. And this is very difficult, because in the industrial age, we really were harshly trained to fear mistakes, the fear of mistakes, fear messes, and all these other things. We talked about fear of rejection, fear of disappointment. Well, you can't play when you have those fears. So we talk about judgment, free awareness, which is this ability that all humans have to put yourself in into a mode of curiosity and to say, Oh, that's interesting. I was going to call this person but suddenly I felt this funny feeling in my chest so that I didn't call. I wonder what that's all about. That's judgment, free awareness. I wonder that's interesting. I wonder what that's about. I wonder why I started looking at Facebook when I was supposed to be creating my, my outline for my program. Wonder, right? So this is this is the judgment, free awareness and then as a coach, when when you're, when you're coaching someone, you know, they're facing fear. So what you don't want to do is bring your judgment to their fear. Coaching relies on profound belonging and what breaks are profound belonging is the feeling of being judged. What creates feeling of belonging is the feeling of being seen. We're all desperately yearning to be seen for who we really are without judgment. And so that's what the judgment free awareness is. Most people do not have judgment, free awareness. Because we come from the industrial world, we judge ourselves, we judge everything. So, first, the coach has to bring it. The coach has to bring, oh, that's okay. That's interesting. This is what you're going to do. But you talk, we talked about it, but then you didn't do it. All right. I wonder what happened. Let's explore this from a judgment free perspective. And gradually, the player will start to adapt and adopt a judgment free perspective. And that's when they start to become free. Judgment. Free awareness is freedom. It's the ability to play freely and experience life with wonder. And so that's it. that's what that's what it is. And then it's just all about having a little, just a little bit of responsibility to go with all that freedom is the right is the right blend. But it really requires that judgment free space that the coach creates the free space to practice. You got to have a space to practice. You don't just know how to do everything. You just don't know how to have every conversation you need to have, or how to create what you want to create, especially creative people. Like it's so easy to get caught in our in a trap of perfectionism. But that's just learned. If you were just if you were a human and you didn't go to industrial school, your creativity would be much more vibrant and online. So really a lot of coaching is to unravel all of these fears we picked up and and begin to be able to play freely again. But that's and that's what coaching is the ability to practice live, play live. unchained ourselves from these fears that we learned. We don't judge them. We just go, Oh, that's interesting. I have fear of rejection. Okay. Let's explore that. Where did that come from? What is another option that I have? What you know, how do I love up every aspect of me so that it's, it's equal to my dream because remember that alignment game like you just have to look at your non conscious ways that you learned from your environment and then love them up to be equal to what your dream requires. And that's that's where the judgment free awareness really comes in. Leanne Woehlke  So again, let me ask you this. Yes. What inspires you? Dave Buck  What inspires me? Yeah, good question. Um, I mean, I get super inspired by my players all the time by our students that CoachVille like you You inspire me. I think that's really it. It's, it's when I see a person start to play life. It doesn't mean everything goes sunny and beautiful. I mean, you can play and it can be a disaster, right? But, but you at least played if you really just play when I see someone who just starts to play, you know, it's going to come good, like, play always comes good eventually. So that's the idea is you know what really inspires me is when someone, you can just see them take the chain off and express their power, express their playfulness and start to have things happen like when you had this major shift in your relationship with your husband that we played with over a period of time. Wow, that was so inspiring. When you changed how you were relating to your staff. And being and starting to be take your own power and being your you have this amazing power of seeing how things need to be you have great vision but you expressing that power was hard because it feels bossy. And you were afraid of that but when you when you took that chain off and started expressing it and then people started responding to you very favorably that's so inspired me. And so this is this is this is my life is just being inspired by my players. Leanne Woehlke  That's awesome. I appreciate you taking this time so much Dave Buck  it was so fun. Leanne Woehlke  Fun. I we could talk for hours I think. Good no doubt. Yeah, I know. tell our listeners How can people catch up with you? What's the best way to find out what you're up to and what CoachVille is up to? Dave Buck  Yeah, the the best easiest way is just go to www.CoachVille.com it's been our website for almost 20 years and it's still there the www.coachville.com you know, you can find me you know, our phone numbers there if you want to talk with me personally, you know, I talk to people i'm not i'm not in some ivory tower. I actually Talk to people. So if you want to talk about your big dream, if you want to talk about your business possibilities in coaching, just go to CoachVille, get the number, give us a call, happy to talk to you. Leanne Woehlke  That's amazing because most people don't even have phone numbers on websites any longer. Dave Buck  I know we're crazy. We're old school. We have a phone number. I know it's true. Well, I, you know, I'm doing my age, I believe in talking to people on the phone. I know, it's weird, but I do. Leanne Woehlke  Yeah, it's that human connection, which is why I think CoachVille is so special and, you know, offer something so different than any of the other coaching schools out there? Dave Buck  Very, I mean, there's definitely some other really good schools, but I would say in the realm of coaching, from this perspective, that life is, we're here to play for our dreams. We're not here to work on them. We're here to play for our dreams. We're really as far as I know the only school that really emphasizes play and coaching. And playing together. So yeah, if you've been inspired by this notion of play, and especially playing with fear, yeah, come and talk to us, we can really help you do what you want to do. Leanne Woehlke  And one of the other things that I love about CoachVille, is even the access to the book clubs that are held periodically, that are a free service and allow people to dive into different concepts and discussions together. Dave Buck  Yeah, we love book club. I don't know when this is gonna go live. But if someone listens to this near the time we recorded it, we're next. Our next book is Seth Godin, his book, this is marketing. And, you know, I know Seth personally, and he was like, he loves the idea of us doing the book club. And so, yeah, we're pumped. I'm pumped for this as marketing. So if you listen to this soonish I'm Ben. Come and join us a book a book. We're always doing some awesome books. So just come and play with us. You can connect with Dave at CoachVille at 866-548-6516www.coachville.com 

In the last 2 weeks, I have completely re-tooled my business in response to the corona virus. In this episode I share thoughts about standing for others during this time of uncertainty. 

A Yoga Nidra is a guided meditation that will allow you to move into a state of deep relaxation. You can also use this meditation to get to sleep. DO NOT USE WHILE DRIVING!

In this episode we learn how a family vacation sparked connection in Kenya and resulted in Paige moving half way around the world and forming Africa Yoga Project. She shares thoughts for new teachers, as well as how you get get involved with Africa Yoga Project.Paige Elenson lives and breathes the creed of service and self-empowerment that she teaches. A native New Yorker, Ashoka Fellow, Muhammad Ali Humanitarian Global Citizen 2017 award recipient, Paige has been teaching yoga for over a decade. As a Senior Baptiste Yoga Teacher, Paige leads yoga teacher trainings in Kenya and across the United States. teaches in Yoga Journal Conferences across the United States, and is a featured presenter at the Evolution Asia Yoga Conference, the Barcelona Yoga Conference, the AcroYoga Festival, the Baptiste Power Flow Immersion, and the Yoga Teacher Telesummit.Paige's incisive skills as a businesswoman, spiritual activist, and social entrepreneur inspired her work with the Africa Yoga Project organization. In 2007, Paige moved to Africa and co-founded the AYP organization, a movement that empowers the youth of Kenya to learn, contribute, and change their lives through the transformative power of yoga. With the support of Baron Baptiste and his community, the AYP organization facilitated the first yoga teacher training in Kenya and now employs local youth to teach full-time in their own communities. AYP programs offer free classes to over 6,000 students per week, simultaneously building schools and funding education, critical operations, and environmental endeavors.Since 2007, Paige has partnered with leaders in politics, philanthropy, design, and entertainment to broaden the AYP organization's empowering reach. Whether working alongside Donna Karan's Urban Zen Foundation, UNICEF, or Michelle Obama's Let's Move Initiative, Paige creates unique opportunities for community involvement and transformation. At home in Nairobi or reaching students around the world, Paige's dedication to positive global change is infectious and inspiring.

In this episode Dr Deb Kern shares the early influences that led her to seeking out the power of the divine feminine. She teaches us about the power of righteous anger and it's ability to burn you clear. We chat about the role of the divine feminine in infertility and breast cancer, as well as the effects of stuck emotions on the body. We examine the role of a teacher in one's life and the challenges of the entrepreneurial journey. Dr Deb has a wealth of insight that will leave you inspired.To learn more about Deb, you can check out her website at www.drdebkern.com. You can also find her on social media at @drdebkern. 

This is a short form episode pulled out of a longer episode with Dr Deb Kern. In this snippet, we talk about her search for the divine feminine and the power of anger as a sacred emotion.  

Chris Lucas is the CEO and co-founder of Ompractice. He is the former digital director for Baptiste Yoga and a certified yoga teacher since 2012.  Chris taught yoga at the White House Easter Egg Roll for six years during the Obama Administration, and was a board member of Yoga Reaches Out, a charity that raised over $1,000,000 for organizations focused on helping children and their families. He has been a digital wellness consultant to numerous professional athletes, sports teams, military organizations, and consumer and fitness brands. He lives in Northampton, Mass. with his wife, daughter, and dog Huey.

David Dang has created an Instagram following of over 1 Million people. In this episode he shares his secrets for creating content to help you gain followers and take your social game to a new level.

Carmen Marshall is the founder of Soul Craft™ — a modern-spirited company and educational programs, products, courses, gifts, and wisdom to help you create a life you (really, actually) love—while earning great money and, yes, figuring out how to have it all. Based on her distinctive body of work that focuses on a unique east-meets-west approach, Carmen is a fierce advocate for designing your work around your lifestyle, and teaches women from around the world how to craft their souls — and their pocketbooks.  Her 8 week signature online and intimate immersion program for entrepreneurs — Soul Craft™ Your Way To 100K— is now being taught in 20 countries.  You can find Carmen supporting her tribe of Soul Crafters™ online, on Instagram / Facebook and her live workshops and retreats around the world.Carmen has so generously offered these free goodies to The EPIC Journey community! Soul Craft™ Quiz:  www.CarmenMarshall.com/quizWHAT'S THE #1 THING YOUR SOUL IS CALLING FOR RIGHT NOW? Take the official SOUL CRAFT™️ quiz to discover what your soul's really been craving, through the drudgery and the routine; the listlessness and the uncertainty. (Hint: The answer may surprise you!)Health & Wealth Resources:  https://www.carmenmarshall.com/summit-gift/

Funnel Hacking Live is the event of the year for digital marketing entrepreneurs. This event is my version of Disneyland. In this episode I share a few of my take aways from FHL and thoughts on limiting beliefs.

Carmen is one of the most high-vibe people I have ever encountered. In this excerpt from a longer interview, she shares her recipe for living in a beautiful state. Carmen has so generously offered some good stuff to our community:Soul Craft™ Quiz:  www.CarmenMarshall.com/quizWHAT'S THE #1 THING YOUR SOUL IS CALLING FOR RIGHT NOW? Take the official SOUL CRAFT™️ quiz to discover what your soul's really been craving, through the drudgery and the routine; the listlessness and the uncertainty. (Hint: The answer may surprise you!)Health & Wealth Resources:  https://www.carmenmarshall.com/summit-gift/

In this far reaching episode with Robb Poe, we chat about all things yoga from running a yoga business, to shifting trends, advice for new teachers and the topic of hands on assisting in yoga. Robb has a wealth of knowledge from his varied background from military combat medic to corporate MBA to yoga studio owner. You are sure to gain value from this episode!

In this episode we cover a wide range of topics from how Ryan found yoga to tips for new teachers and advice for those wanting to expand their teaching. Ryan's big heart and love of the practice is clearly evident as we connect on the deeper purpose of yoga and the impact of the practice beyond the physical. We talk about the future of yoga and what nourishes him as a teacher.  We discuss the controversial topic of hands on assists and touch in yoga, as well as the importance of boundaries and intention. In this episode, we are joined by Kathryn from The Bright Podcast.  

In this short form with Robb Poe, we touch on some of the sticky subjects in yoga and the need for more professionalism in the yoga community.

In this short form episode, Debbie Williamson, shares sage advice for new yoga teachers. Debbie is a serial entrepreneur and yogi who has been in the fitness and yoga industry for over 30 years.

Since finding yoga, Caleb Olson, was able to find a deeper connection to his true authentic self and has been working to align the things and people in his life to be able to more fully cultivate that true self. Once having worked in the meat industry, he is now an advocate for a plant based diet yoga teacher and Manager at a Vegan restaurant. Caleb left a corporate job that wasn't enriching his soul and instead found guidance in healing practices like yoga and reiki.

This loving kindness meditation helps you connect with the love within you and then allow that love to radiate out to others and back to yourself.

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This short Mindfulness Meditation will help bring your focus to the present moment and cultivate a sense of gratitude. If you'd like to join the 21 Day EPIC Gratitude Challenge, email us at info@epicyogacenter.com and ask for more details.

This episode occurred spontaneously as a group of students, teachers and a caregiver were gathered at the studio prior to a LoveYourBrain Yoga class. They began sharing about their experience in the program, the impact yoga has had on their TBI and other topics. It was too juicy to not share! YoveYourBrain Yoga is a free, research-backed six-week program designed to build community and foster resiliency among people with TBI and their caregivers. Each class integrates breathing exercises, gentle yoga, meditation and group discussion. The program has shown significant results, including: - Concentration, memory and thinking improved - Easier ability to carry out day-to-day activities - More satisfying feelings and emotions - Improved personal and social life - More hopeful of current situation and future prospects For more information about LoveYourBrain, go to www.loveyourbrain.com.

This episode recounts my Middle School Adventure!

Do you expect all things from one source? Manage your expectations.

Just as a mountain is rooted and stable, so are you. Use this short meditation to reconnect to that sense of resiliency and stability that resides inside of you. Even though the circumstances around you may change, there is that deep rootedness in you that remains. Strong. Resilient. Supported.

We often hear people talk about the changes they want in their lives. But what is it that holds them back?

This 10 minute body scan will move your attention to different parts of your body, cultivating a sense of deep relaxation.