The Better Samaritan Podcast

How do federal and foreign aid cuts impact anti-trafficking work, both directly and indirectly? In this episode, we talk with Rev. Dr. Sandra Morgan from Vanguard University about how global aid and domestic budget cuts are affecting efforts to fight human trafficking around the world, both individually and systemically. Dr. Morgan shares how collaboration, trust, and elevating smaller organizations are key to a sustained fight against trafficking, and how to foster these practices. We also discuss how churches can step in to fill critical gaps and why training the next generation of advocates matters. It's an honest look at the challenges, and where hope and resilience are still showing up. Listen in to learn more :  23:54 - Tool to Evaluate Collaboration: Visible Network Labs 26:09 - To Change the World by James Davison Hunter 27:59 - Anti-Human Trafficking Certificate at  Vanguard   More from Dr. Morgan: Ending Human Trafficking Podcast  Ending Human Trafficking: A Handbook of Strategies for the Church Today Global Center for Women and Justice at Vanderbilt University     BIO: Rev. Dr. Sandra Morgan is Executive Director of Vanguard University's Global Center for Women and Justice (GCWJ). As an educator, a nurse, and an ordained Assemblies of God minister, she is recognized globally for her expertise in combating human trafficking and working to end violence against women and children. She hosts the Ending Human Trafficking podcast and is co-author of IVP's Ending Human Trafficking: A Handbook of Strategies for the Church Today.    —-- The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when churches, governments, and communities work together across differences in opinion for the common good? In this episode, Dr. Walter Kim, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, joins us to talk about how different parts of the evangelical church are responding to shifts in humanitarian aid and funding, and why these varied responses matter. We dig into the Biblical precedent for and history of public-private partnerships, the importance of government support, and how different Christian views of society and culture impact how churches engage with humanitarian work. Dr. Kim brings biblical insight, historical context, and practical wisdom for how the Church can stay grounded in compassion while navigating complexity. Read more from Walter Kim and the NAE: National Association of Evangelicals Calls for Renewed Commitment to Stewardship, Global Compassion Compassion for a World in Need Podcast: Difficult Conversations Bio: Walter Kim  Walter Kim is President of the National Association of Evangelicals. He earned his PhD at Harvard, was a chaplain at Yale, and has served in diverse pastoral ministries. He is on the board of World Relief, Christianity Today, and The Salvation Army, USA. He is often sought out for his theological and cultural commentary on issues facing the church and society.   —-- The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How do advocacy and policy help combat child hunger and malnutrition, both in the U.S. and around the world? In this episode, Rev. Eugene Cho, president and CEO of Bread for the World, joins us to talk about what's needed to tackle food insecurity around the world, what's working, what's not, and why surface-level solutions won't cut it. We talk about how recent federal and foreign aid cuts are contributing to hunger and food insecurity for millions of children in food-insecure regions like South Sudan, and why proposals to cut SNAP could be similarly harmful for low-income American families. Reverend Cho offers the challenge to think bigger than politics and to engage with policy through the lens of faith and justice. This isn't about charity—it's about using our voices and influence to make lasting change. Whether you're new to advocacy or deeply involved, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. Listen in to learn more :  (2:44) - check out bread.org (12:04) - Sources say 86% cut to international programs and budget (15:13) - proposed $290 billion cut to the SNAP program (36:13) - Book: Thou Shalt Not Be A Jerk (36:51) - Partner with Bread for the World Read more from Eugene Cho/Bread for the World: Statement: “Skinny” Budget Would Increase Hunger and Famine and put U.S. National Security at Risk Article: My Easter Reflection on Hope and Hunger Article: Christian Leaders Hold “A Prayer Vigil for Foreign Aid” Article: I Experienced a Culture Shock Coming to the US—But It Led to an Unexpected Calling Book: Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: A Christian's Guide to Engaging Politics Book: Overrated: Are We More in Love with the Idea of Changing the World Than Actually Changing the World?   About Rev. Eugene Cho Rev. Eugene Cho is President/CEO of Bread for the World, a nationwide Christian advocacy organization that educates on hunger and equips people to advocate for policies to end it in the U.S. and around the world. He preaches and speaks about Bread's mission to end hunger, justice, and leadership at the intersection of faith and public life. Eugene is Co-Chair of the U.S. Nutrition CEO Council and has been recognized by the Department of Homeland Security as an Outstanding American by Choice. Before joining Bread, Eugene pastored local churches for nearly thirty years. ------------ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when humanitarian aid gets pulled, but the needs don't stop? In this episode, we talk with Dr. Beth Stuebing, a missionary surgeon in Malawi with the Christian Health Service Corps. She shares what it's like on the front lines of healthcare when funding disappears—and why faith-based organizations working on the ground can't do it alone. You'll hear stories of courage and sacrifice, including one from a local surgeon, Dr. Mumba, who literally gave his own blood to save a patient. We also discuss how local churches are stepping up, the power of partnerships, and why global health needs more attention from governments and Christian communities alike. Beth also shares her journey from growing up in Zambia to mentoring young doctors in Malawi. It's a conversation about hope, grit, and what it means to show up when it counts. Explore More of Beth's Writing:   Jesus fed the 5,000, but the people of God can't fill the chasm left by USAID: Jesus fed the 5,000, but the people of God can't fill the chasm left by USAID Why the World Needs Africa to Be Healthy: Why the World Needs Africa to Be Healthy | Think Global Health USAID aid freeze triggers health care crisis in Africa:  USAID aid freeze triggers health care crisis in Africa Beth's Missions Sending Organization: Beth Stuebing & Ben Adams - Christian Health Service Corps Beth and Ben's Ministry Facebook Page About Dr. Stuebing –  Dr. Beth Stuebing is a missionary surgeon with Christian Health Service Corps and lives in Lilongwe, Malawi, with her husband and three children. She graduated from Wheaton College in 2000. Before moving to Malawi, Beth spent 9 years as a trauma surgeon and ICU doctor in Washington.   ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when college students decide to take action on global issues? In this episode, we sit down with three undergraduate students from Wheaton College - Alexis, Jonathan, and Milan - who have each been involved in a larger student-led movement advocating for Christ-like compassion and global justice. Over 150 students from Wheaton's campus have gotten involved, driven by their faith and a shared belief that Christians are called to care for our neighbors both next door and halfway across the world.  We talk about the real impact of aid cuts, especially in places like South Africa, and why this matters for the Church. These students bring heart, honesty, and conviction as they share what it has looked like to pray, educate, and take action right where they are. From 24-hour prayer tents to writing letters to representatives, they show us how small steps can lead to big change—and how we all have a role to play in loving our neighbors around the world. Links- The Humanitarian Podcast started by Milan ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode, we talk with Jenny Dyer, founder of the 2030 Collaborative, about her involvement raising awareness for HIV/AIDS - from working with Bono and the ONE Campaign to championing global health in Washington and beyond. Jenny breaks down how U.S. programs like PEPFAR have saved millions of lives—and why hardly anyone talks about it anymore. We dig into what's at risk as funding dries up and how churches can step in to advocate. If you're curious about how faith communities can make a real impact in global health, this episode is packed with practical ways to speak up and get involved.  LINKS -  (10:08) Haunted by Hopelessness: 12 Zambians share their stories as HIV drugs run out - Haunted by hopelessness: 12 Zambians share their stories as HIV drugs run out  (15:57) Find your senators to contact - senate.gov (17:04) Contact your legislators through One.org and receive a template of what to say - one.org   Read More From Jenny Dyer: The aWAKE Project : Uniting against the African AIDS Crisis The Mother and Child Project: Raising Our Voices for Health and Hope The End of Hunger: Renewed Hope for Feeding the World     About Jenny Dyer - Jenny is the founder of The 2030 Collaborative, which focuses on promoting awareness, providing education, and encouraging advocacy for the 17 U.N. Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). She also directs the Faith-Based Coalition for the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria. She has previously worked for former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to mobilize advocacy for PEPFAR and other HIV/AIDS intervention from Christian leaders, and written many different pieces on the intersection between religion and global health. She lives in Franklin, Tennessee with her husband, John, and two boys, Rhys and Oliver. —-- The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We thi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we sit down with Michael Cerna from the Accord Network and Elli Oswald from the Faith to Action Initiative to talk about what happens when faith-based nonprofits face major funding cuts.  Spoiler: it's tough.  From staff layoffs to shifting American opinions on international engagement, Michael and Elli share the hard realities—and the hope. We get real about working with the government, why accountability matters, and how churches can step up.  Plus, Michael and Elli share their perspectives on how young leaders and global communities are sparking change in powerful ways. This episode is honest, eye-opening, and full of practical wisdom for anyone in the nonprofit or ministry world. Read more from Michael Cerna/The ACCORD network: Michael Cerna | Faith, Funding, and Foreign Aid:  https://www.nae.org/michael-cerna-relief-development-faith-government-funding-usaid-todays-conversation-podcast/ Read about how one organization in Faith to Action's network is being impacted: https://wng.org/roundups/the-usaid-closure-leaves-a-vacuum-what-will-fill-it-1740694625  Bio: Michael Cerna: Michael Cerna serves as CEO of Accord Network, a coalition of over 150 Christian organizations dedicated to global relief and development. Prior to leading the Accord Network, Cerna served in strategic and partnership roles at HOPE International, Mission: Hope, and Renew Outreach. He also previously worked at McKinsey & Company and holds a master's degree in International Management from Kennesaw State University.   Elli Oswald: Elli Oswald is the Executive Director of the Faith to Action Initiative. Before this role, she served as Director of Mission and Outreach at Bethany Community Church in Seattle. Elli also served as the Children in Crisis Research and Communications Coordinator for World Vision International's Child Development and Rights Technical Team, specializing in community-based care for children deprived of parental care. She has a B.A. from Pepperdine University and an M.A. in Cross Cultural Studies and International Development from Fuller Theological Seminary. —-- The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of The Better Samaritan Podcast, we're joined by Allison Ruark, global public health professor and HIV/AIDS researcher, to talk about how global health, gender inequality, and foreign aid cuts all collide in real life. We dig into what's really going on behind the data, how U.S. policy changes are closing clinics across Africa, and why spiritual resilience matters just as much as medical care. Allison offers both documented areas of concern and areas of hope—thanks to the next generation of passionate students stepping up. Dive deeper into the discussion: (5:04) Clarification - Dr. Ruark post-show clarified that, as of the recording of this episode, 80% of USAID/US grants have been cancelled, and 20% of grants are still operational. See here. (6:12) Groups working with USAID say the government still has not paid what it owes for their work scrippsnews.com/politics/president-trumps-first-100-days/groups-working-with-usaid-say-the-government-still-has-not-paid-what-it-owes-for-their-work   (26:08) Dr. Ruark's research on behavioral interventions to prevent HIV   Further Reading from Dr. Allison Ruark Books: AIDS, Behavior, and Culture: Understanding Evidence-Based Prevention Articles: Increasing family planning access in Kenya through engagement of faith-based health facilities, religious leaders, and community health volunteers. Oromia Joint Assessment on Gender-Based Violence (GBV), FoodInsecurity, and Effective GBV Response  Monitoring & Evaluation for Multiple and Concurrent Partnerships (MCP) Programmes.   About Allison Ruark  Dr. Ruark is a social epidemiologist with a Ph.D. from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. She has worked at Wheaton College as an Assistant Professor since 2020 and is the theme coordinator for the Wheaton Aequitas Fellows Program in Global Public Health. She has particular expertise in behavioral HIV prevention, gender-based violence, and the impact of couple and family relationships on health.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when the very systems meant to help refugees end up hurting them instead?  And what can the Church do to help? In today's episode, Kent Annan and Dr. Jamie Aten talk with Matthew Soerens from World Relief about the real impact of U.S. refugee policies—especially the dramatic changes under the Trump administration.  Matt pulls back the curtain on what's happening behind the scenes: families stuck in limbo, staff furloughs at resettlement agencies, and churches stepping in to help. We also talk about how policy decisions can create ripple effects that last for years.  This episode is a must-listen for anyone who cares about justice, faith, and showing up for vulnerable communities. Plus, Matt shares ways churches can advocate, volunteer, and help cut through the noise to create real change. Explore resources mentioned in the podcast: (11:27) Christian statement on Refugee Resettlement  (14:10) Notre Dame Study on the economic benefits of refugees (15:33) Lifeway Research on Evangelical opinions towards immigration (16:48) The Heritage Foundation research on vetting refugees  (17:39) Study - Immigrant groups are less likely to commit violent crimes than US citizens  (18:03) Research on the connection between refugee resettlement and terrorist activity (25:36) I Was A Stranger Scripture Reading Challenge (26:38) 2018 Policy reversal on immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border due to the influence of Christian advocacy About Matt Soerens  Matthew Soerens is the Vice President of Advocacy and Policy at World Relief, where he provides oversight for all advocacy initiatives and policy positions of World Relief. He also serves as the National Coordinator for the Evangelical Immigration Table, a coalition that advocates for immigration reforms consistent with biblical values. He is the co-author of Inalienable: How Marginalized Kingdom Voices Can Help Save the American Church (2022), Welcoming the Stranger: Justice, Compassion, & Truth in the Immigration Debate (2018), and Seeking Refuge: On the Shores of the Global Refugee Crisis (2016). Resources from Matt Soerens/World Relief: “Immigrants, Pets and the Sin of Slander in a Social Media Age “On the Conservative Divide Over Refugee Resettlement, Where Will Trump Fall?” State of the Golden Door report (with Open Doors US) Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if grief could actually help us do better humanitarian work? In this episode of The Better Samaritan Podcast, Dr. Jamie Aten and Kent Annan explore the idea of lament—or as Jamie calls it, “faithful grief”—and how it can reshape how we approach global challenges and humanitarian aid. Drawing from Kent's book Slow Kingdom Coming, personal stories, and research with Biola and the University of Connecticut, they break down how lament isn't just about sadness—it's about being honest with God through complaint, praise, and asking for help. They also share powerful moments from places like post-earthquake Haiti and the Kakuma refugee camp in Kenya, where leaders model resilience and generosity in the face of scarcity. This episode offers a fresh take on grief, healing, and hope—and how small, faithful actions can lead to significant change in a hurting world. Jamie and Kent conclude with a preview of upcoming conversations on TBS with leaders in different humanitarian sectors, who will be discussing how federal and foreign aid cuts are impacting their area of focus and what may be next. Want to explore the books, articles, and research mentioned in this podcast? (2:08) Book: Slow Kingdom Coming - https://www.ivpress.com/slow-kingdom-coming (3:39) Studies: Biola University & University of Connecticut on lament for Christians - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388450256_Lament_Measuring_a_Christian_Meaning-Making_Coping_Practice https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361353087_Lament_and_Well-Being_Measuring_a_Christian_Meaning-Making_Practice (5:16) Book: Aftershock - https://www.ivpress.com/after-shock (8:35) Study: Research strategies on lament and why lament matters - https://www.spiritualfirstaid.org/why-lament-matters-study-slides (9:48) Workshop: Spiritual Self-Aid - SpiritualfirstaidFree Spiritual First Aid Course Preview (11:20) Study: On community as a source of hope and resilience among black female cancer survivors - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378169783_Spiritual_Surrender_Initial_Appraisals_of_Cancer_Diagnoses_in_Black_Christian_Women Resources: Pick up a copy of Kent's book - https://www.amazon.com/Slow-Kingdom-Coming-Practices-Justice/dp/0830844554  Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. Each of the three sections concludes with thought-provoking questions and a prayer. We hope this e-book informs and guides you toward reflection, prayer, and next steps.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Get your application fee to the HDL M.A. program waived with code TBS25. J amie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tune in to the latest episode of The Better Samaritan Podcast as Neil Hart shares his inspiring story. Hear how he pivoted from a life in farming to becoming the leader of the Mergon Foundation. We dive into his faith-driven path, showcasing the power of long-term relationships and innovative philanthropy. We also explore the global impact of the 54 Collective, a collaborative platform developing organizational health worldwide. With a focus on creativity, adaptability, and divine guidance, Neil's inspiring story offers invaluable insights for anyone interested in mission-driven work and impactful partnerships. Listen in to learn more :  ​​(01:47) Partnering With Ministries Across the Region  (11:21) Journey of Faith and Creativity  (13:53) The Power of Humility and Partnership  (17:45) Global Collaboration for Free Educational Courses  (23:06) Ministry Learning Journeys Organization and Structure  Bio: Neil Hart is the head of the Mergon Foundation. Before joining in 2018, he founded and led a creative brand marketing agency, led global missions and church planting organizations, and was involved in several church planting movements. Neil holds a BA in graphic design from Nelson Mandela University. Resources: Mergon Foundation 54 Collective  Spiritual First Aid Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. Each of the three sections concludes with thought-provoking questions and a prayer. We hope this e-book informs and also guides you toward reflection, prayer, and next steps.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of The Better Samaritan Podcast, Kent and Jamie chat with Michael Cerna, CEO of the Accord Network, about the balance between innovation and relationships in the Christian relief sector. Michael shares his journey from Hope International to leading over 100 organizations, offering insights on how to drive progress without losing trust and collaboration. Michael discusses the challenges of moving from a high-pressure consulting role to Christian development work, including burnout, resilience, and the importance of self-care. His candid reflections provide valuable lessons on setting boundaries and building supportive leadership for a sustainable career. We also explore how diversity fuels innovation within the Accord Network's 120 member organizations. Michael explains how embracing different perspectives can lead to transformative change, even when consensus is challenging. This conversation highlights the beauty of collaboration across differences, reflecting the kingdom of God as we all strive to be better Samaritans in our communities. Bio: Michael Cerna is the CEO of Accord Network. He recently left his role as Director of Partnership Strategy with HOPE International. His journey in the Christian Relief & Development sector began with a research position in the West Bank and Palestinian territories before spending time with McKinsey & Company, a global management firm. Those experiences and the previous decade in this sector have helped Michael fulfill his passion for assisting faith-based NGOs to become more collaborative, effective ministries for God's Kingdom. Resources: Accord Network Spiritual First Aid Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. Each of the three sections concludes with thought-provoking questions and a prayer. We hope this e-book informs and guides you toward reflection, prayer, and next steps.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

*Since the time of the recording, Jon has left SIL and begun his search for his next innovation role. Please feel free to connect with Jon here: Connect with Jon Hirst  In this episode of The Better Samaritan Podcast, we sit down with Jon Hirst, SIL International's Chief Innovation Officer, to dive into the fascinating world of language preservation and innovation. Jon shares how SIL is tackling the rapid loss of languages and why maintaining linguistic diversity is so important for cultural richness. Jon breaks down how SIL's work—developing orthographies, fonts, literacy programs, and Bible translations—impacts over 1,100 language communities in 90 countries. He also gives us a behind-the-scenes look at his role in turning big ideas into practical solutions, walking us through the innovation processes and challenges nonprofits face, like limited resources and reputation concerns. This episode is packed with inspiring insights, from anti-human trafficking projects to cutting-edge AI and virtual reality applications in language preservation. Jon talks about the balance between technology and human connection and how curiosity and gratitude drive meaningful innovation.  Don't miss this powerful conversation on how nonprofits can overcome barriers and make lasting change. Bio: Jon Hirst is the co-founder of Generous Mind, a think tank that helps thought leaders be generous with what they know. He has spent his life serving in nonprofit leadership and innovation. He supports a community of innovators via Innovation in Mission. Jon lives in Wisconsin, USA, with his wife Mindy and their three children. Response to AI: Our AI Moment Article on AI & cultural adaptation: Gemini vs ChatGPT Resources: REGISTER NOW for the virtual Church Mental Health Summit taking place on October 10th. Join us, and thousands of others globally, as we work toward the common goal of equipping the church to support mental health. Engage with content from over 50 different speakers in various mental health fields. Registration is free! Spiritual First Aid Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. Each of the three sections concludes with thought-provoking questions and a prayer. We hope this e-book informs and also guides you toward reflection, prayer, and next steps.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever thought that entrepreneurship could be more than just starting businesses? Our special guest, Denise Daniels, the Hudson T. Harrison Professor of Entrepreneurship at Wheaton College, does. In this episode, she talks about how innovation and design thinking can change the game in business and why an entrepreneurial mindset thrives on curiosity and practice. Christians in the marketplace often wonder how faith fits into work. Denise challenges the old-school idea of putting shareholder value above all else; instead, she suggests aiming for social good and human flourishing. We also dive into the concept of sphere sovereignty, debunking the myth that Christian service is just for ministry or non-profits. Finally, Denise shares insights from her study with Elaine Howard Eklund, breaking down how we can see our jobs as vocations filled with purpose. Whether through intrinsic satisfaction, societal impact, or workplace relationships, Denise shows us how faith and work can beautifully intertwine. Bio: Denise is the inaugural Hudson T. Harrison Endowed Chair of Entrepreneurship at Wheaton College (IL). Previously, she was a Professor of Management at Seattle Pacific University. She earned a Ph.D. in Organizational Behavior from the University of Washington.  Her scholarly interests include meaningful work, Sabbath, leadership, gender, and motivation. Denise is also the co-principal Investigator on a $1.8M research project funded by the Lilly Endowment, which examines how people in the United States understand and engage their faith at work. She serves on the corporate board of a FinTech company and the board of two non-profit organizations.  —-- The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College. The institute offers an M.A. in Humanitarian and disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. Visit our website to learn more and apply. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Looking to harmonize your career aspirations with a soul-fulfilling mission? If so, you'll want to listen to this latest episode featuring Neal Joseph of Mission: Leadership.  As part of our ongoing “Vocation” series, Neal joins us to talk about the art of faith-based executive recruiting, where aligning spiritual values with the heart of an organization isn't just ideal—it's imperative. Neal, who shifted from the music industry to Christian ministry, shares valuable insights from his journey. We discuss his varied experiences—from working with famous musicians to leadership in global ministries—as well as how to align your career with your true calling. Neal notes the importance of grabbing opportunities and mastering communication within nonprofit leadership. He also gives practical tips on thriving in your current role and preparing for future advancement, making this episode particularly helpful for anyone looking to change paths or reach their vocational goals. Bio: Neal Joseph brings more than 35 years of senior-level leadership experience in the corporate, church, and nonprofit worlds to his role as Co-Founder & Managing Partner of Mission: Leadership, a faith-based executive recruiting firm.    Before this, he served as Vice President of Nonprofit Recruiting at Slingshot Group, Senior Vice President of International Partnerships at Compassion International, megachurch Executive Pastor, Chief Operating Officer at Generous Giving, Label President at Warner Bros. Records, and Vice President of A&R and Marketing at Word Records. In addition to A.C.T. International, Neal also serves on the boards of American Leprosy Missions, the Accord Network, and Free Guitars 4 Kids. Resources: Mission: Leadership Spiritual First Aid Download your free copy of our Called to Serve: Navigating Your Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work e-book, which includes articles full of practical advice, insight, and encouragement. Each of the three sections concludes with thought-provoking questions and a prayer. We hope this e-book informs and also guides you toward reflection, prayer, and next steps.  ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

About the episode: As part of our Innovation series, Ryan Russell, Vice President of Innovation and New Products at Compassion International, joins us in unraveling the intricacies of service-oriented innovation. Together, we discuss how innovation doesn't have to be huge to make an impact. Each step forward is rich with opportunities to learn. Ryan talks about the passion and humility we need towards our customers, employees, and/or clients. We also explore the intersection of creativity and connection in non-profit innovation, delving into Compassion International's multifaceted crusade against child poverty and how innovation forges new (and unconventional) pathways for connection and support.  Ryan's wealth of diverse career experiences underscores the transformative influence of a dedicated innovation team. This episode is an invitation to embrace the spirit of innovation in our everyday actions and in companies and organizations. Bio: Ryan Russell is Vice President of Innovation at Compassion International. He joined Compassion in July 2023 to lead the Compassion of Tomorrow team and grow Compassion's innovation function. Before Compassion, Ryan served as the Senior Vice President of Design and User Experience (UX) at Hinge Health and spent nine years at Amazon as the Director of Design & UX for Amazon Glow. Under his leadership, the team grew from two people to over 135 across five studios in the U.S. Before Amazon, he led McAfee's Design Studio, launched Cohdoo Highlight, an award-winning audio recording app, and designed novel consumer computing experiences at Intel. Resources: Compassion International Get our new FREE 56-page e-book, Called to Serve: How to Navigate a Christian Vocation in Humanitarian, Disaster, and Development Work. Spiritual First Aid ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction–especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For this episode, Carol Bremer-Bennett, the executive director of World Renew, shares her story of navigating the confluence of vocation, heritage, and service. From the greenhouses of her youth to the global stage of community development, Carol's path offers a unique perspective on embracing life's vocational shifts. With a spirit deeply rooted in her Navajo heritage and a heart committed to prayerful guidance, she unveils the connections between her work with the Navajo people and the broader challenges communities worldwide face. In education and community resilience, Carol imparts her wisdom on the critical role of holistic approaches in healing and strengthening societies.  The episode focuses on the virtues of communal partnerships, the teachings of mutual support found in indigenous and biblical contexts, and the rich tapestry of lessons drawn from a lifetime of empathetic service. Listeners are invited to look at success through the lens of community fortification and interconnectedness, echoed by the harmonious blend of corn, beans, and squash in traditional planting. Carol's journey underscores the significance of mentorship on our personal and professional growth and reminds us that our work can be a profound act of worship. Bio:  Carol Bremer-Bennett is World Renew's U.S. Executive Director. As director, she oversees their work in 30 countries around the globe in poverty & hunger alleviation as well as disaster response. She is born to the To'aheedliinii (Waters Flow Together) Clan and to the Todich'iinii (Bitter Water) Clan of the Navajo Nation. Bremer-Bennett is an educator by training, with a B.A. from Calvin College and an M.A. from Western New Mexico University. Her extensive experience in Christian ministry spans more than 30 years of organizational leadership, leadership development, and administration. Resources: World Renew's website Spiritual First Aid ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D, and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode of The Better Samaritan, Leah Kral, Senior Director of Strategy and Innovation at the Mercatus Center, joins us to discuss her transition from the profit-driven marketplace to a life enriched by service and social progress.  Our conversation with Leah explores effective leadership and the role of innovation within the nonprofit realm. Leah shares six principles from her book that—when followed—allow organizations to dream big, start small, and foster a culture where collaboration and empowerment thrive. Her stories, filled with successes and challenges, reveal the complex yet rewarding nature of sparking actual societal change. As we discover, the journey to progress through innovation isn't without its stumbles; failure and faith often walk hand in hand. Through this candid conversation about the necessity of risk-taking and the nuanced role of faith in leadership, we're reminded that the road most worth taking is one paved with humility and curiosity. Bio: Leah Kral is an expert facilitator and author who helps nonprofits innovate and further social change. As senior director of strategy and innovation at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, Leah Kral provides tailored workshops and consulting to internal teams and a network of nonprofit partners nationwide. For decades, she has been helping teams to break out of the busy daily routine and draw out their best creative thinking. She is a returned Peace Corps Volunteer (Jamaica ‘02-'04) and continues to serve as an active volunteer in her community.  Resources: Leah's website Leah's book, Innovation for Social Change: How Wildly Successful Non-Profits Inspire and Deliver Results HDI's MA in Humanitarian and Disaster Leadership degree Spiritual First Aid Certification Course ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn  Follow us on LinkedIn: /jamieaten | /kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco | @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

(Note: this episode is part of both our Innovation and Vocation series.) Unlock the transformative power of weaving faith and creativity with business as we feature a fellow member of the Wheaton family, Tommy Lee. Tommy combines a heart of service with a love for equipping leaders and fostering collaboration. The episode is filled with actionable insights and practical wisdom for anyone wanting to grow professionally. As we trace his career evolution, our discussion sheds light on the importance of discipline, passion, and the pursuit of joy. Tommy shares the story of one woman's ingenious use of her family's ships to aid Indonesian islands—a testament to the boundless potential of innovation for the greater good.  He also urges listeners to learn from each person they meet, remain open to new ideas (and God's surprising detours), and be unfailingly generous with their contacts and expertise.  Listen now to be encouraged in your vocational journey. Bio: Tommy Lee has extensive experience in faith and work integration, organizational development, and building networks. Currently, he leads Resource Global, the Center for Faith and Innovation (CFI) at Wheaton College, and TogetherLA. As the Executive Director of CFI, he develops initiatives that engage marketplace leaders and provide training on integrating faith and work for students. As the Founder and President of Resource Global, Tommy has successfully launched cohorts of young Christian marketplace leaders in 13 cities around the world.  He is also the President of CreatePossible, where he has developed and managed corporate visions and strategic plans for client organizations, created new companies, and implemented funding strategies. Tommy brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to empower leaders to align their faith with their work, create positive change, and make a lasting impact.   Resources: Wheaton College's Center for Faith & Innovation HDI's MA in Humanitarian and Disaster Leadership degree Apply now to join our MA program Spiritual First Aid Certification Course ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

About the episode: (Note: this episode is the second in our "Vocation" series.) Have you ever wondered how your job could not just pay the bills but also feed your soul? Today's conversation is for anyone who longs to make a tangible difference in the lives of others but wonders how to get started–or continue. Kent once again welcomes Peter Greer of Hope International, and they discuss the joys and challenges of embracing a vocation with purpose. They also talk about ways to prepare for a job interview, how to find the right people to partner with, and how to stay focused when the needs in communities around the globe are overwhelming.  Managing a large and diverse team can sometimes feel like steering a ship through a storm, but in this episode, Peter gives a masterclass in leadership and innovation. He touches on management issues and problem-solving within a large non-profit organization, emphasizing the importance of aligning personal strengths with professional roles and fostering a culture of curiosity.  Thanks for joining us as we reflect on gratitude for our work and the community it creates. Together, let's keep learning to “do good, better”--faithfully. Bio: Peter Greer is the president and CEO of HOPE International, a global Christ-centered economic development organization serving throughout Africa, Asia, Latin America, and Eastern Europe. Under Peter's leadership, HOPE has expanded from working in two to over twenty countries and served over 2.5 million families. Before joining HOPE, Peter worked in Cambodia, Zimbabwe, and Rwanda. He has co-authored 15 books, including Mission Drift, Rooting for Rivals, The Gift of Disillusionment, and The Spiritual Danger of Doing Good. His new book, Lead with Prayer, will be available nationwide on January 16, 2024.   Resources: The first episode in the “Vocation” series: Navigating a Fulfilling Career in Humanitarian Spaces Another conversation with Peter: How to Sustain Hope and Resist Disillusionment when Doing Good HDI's MA in Humanitarian and Disaster Leadership degree Spiritual First Aid Certification Course ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers an M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D, and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, the second in our “Vocation” series, we unlock valuable insights on navigating a fulfilling career in the humanitarian and justice sectors with our friends and special guests, Jonathan Dahlager and Joy Lee. Jonathan and Joy share from their personal experiences about the pivotal role of internships, mentorship, and the right team support in shaping vocations that make a difference globally.  Education, skills, and experience have taken center stage in the ever-evolving humanitarian sector. We discuss the significance of exploring diverse roles to identify your strengths and interests. In addition, Joy and Jonathan encourage those interested in humanitarian and justice work to cultivate an attitude of humility, a passion for learning, and the willingness to accept guidance from those who've traveled these rewarding—and challenging—paths before.  Listen now for insights that will equip you to take steps toward a successful, impactful career.  Bios: Jonathan Dahlager joined the HDI family as an accelerated student with the very first cohort of the MA in Humanitarian Disaster Leadership program and graduated in the third cohort in 2021. In 2023, he took on a Project Manager position focused on World Vision's WASH work in challenging and fragile contexts. His experience working in challenging environments includes traveling for World Vision, living in Colombia for six months with a grassroots peace and reconciliation organization, and volunteering, interpreting, and leading programs in low-income communities near where he grew up in Costa Rica. Joy Lee oversees the education programs of the Humanitarian Disaster Institute and supports a growing alumni community. She also maintains partnerships with NGOs for collaborative opportunities. Joy's previous work involved coordinating and developing projects related to anti-oppressive education, the arts, gender-based violence, and advocacy. She has worked on projects in different mediums, such as Torn Memories of Nanking by Tamaki Matsuoka (ALPHA Education); In Sundry Languages by Toronto Lab Theatre (play); Make Food, Not War by Siobhan Productions Inc. (short documentary); Everything will Live Where the River Goes by Blades Art Project (Mural).  Resources: HDI's MA in Humanitarian and Disaster Leadership degree World Vision's WASH program The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development (a community that focuses on gender justice and gathers people to recognize, equip, and advance women in “key decision-making positions globally” in the relief and development sectors) ------------ This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco @wheaton_hdi (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers a M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D, and Kent Annan, M.Div., co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the Co-Founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you want to foster real change and innovation in your organization, but feel unsure where to start? When you're leading a group of people waiting for your direction, how do you move them toward a new vision?  In this episode, Jamie and Kent sit down with Dr. Margaret Diddams, a well-respected Principal Consultant at the Diddams Group, to discuss the art of innovation in leadership. Dr. Diddams, a former Provost at Wheaton College, shares her reflections on “holy discontent” and its role as a catalyst for transformation. She discusses the essence of painting a convincing narrative around the need for change and emphasizes the importance of collaborative leadership. Bringing innovation to the table can be intimidating, but what if embracing the possibility of failure could lead to unexpected successes?  Additionally, Dr. Diddams shares her insights on the courage, conviction, humility, and integrity vital for leadership, suggesting that the innovation journey can also serve as a crucible for spiritual formation. They also discuss the formation of HDI's MA in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership program, for which Dr. Diddams was (and is) a champion. Bio: Dr. Margaret Diddams is the principal consultant for the Diddams Group, working with Christian institutions to develop leadership committed to flourishing organizations and the people they serve. An author and scholar on leadership, she is the editor of Christian Scholar's Review, the leading journal exploring the intersection of Christian faith and academic scholarship. Dr. Diddams is the former provost and chief academic officer for Wheaton College, where she is a Faith and Learning fellow, teaching courses on spiritual leadership and character. Resources: Interested in HDI's MA in Humanitarian and Disaster Leadership program? Attend an online information session on November 10th (apply by November 15 to start in August 2024).  Margaret's Linked In account  Margaret's Twitter/X account  This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll host Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) The Better Samaritan podcast is produced by the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, which offers a M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership and a Trauma Certificate. To learn more and apply, visit our website. Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we talk with Preston Hill, assistant professor of integrative theology at Richmond Graduate University. Preston's insights challenge us to rethink our understanding of trauma, moving away from viewing it simply as suffering. This important, timely conversation includes a discussion of spiritual hurt and the often painful reality of trauma within church communities. As we delve into the characteristics of trauma-informed churches, Preston emphasizes prioritizing the safety of people over protecting the church's image. Our conversation highlights the pivotal roles of listening, believing, empowering, and restoring in creating trauma-informed communities. Join us for a thoughtful exploration of trauma, theology, and the healing process. Preston Hill Bio-  Preston Hill is an Assistant Professor of Integrative Theology at Richmont Graduate University. He's also a Clinical Pastoral Therapist in private practice and an Anglican priest-in-training. As a practical theologian and practicing therapist, Preston's research, teaching, and clinical work engages themes related to theology and mental health. His theological work has engaged the Reformed tradition, science-engaged theology, and topics including suffering, theodicy, atonement, trauma, and spirituality. He's the author of Dawn of Sunday: The Trinity and Trauma-Safe Churches and the upcoming Christ and Trauma: Theology East of Eden. In addition, Preston has edited the volume Trauma Theology: Perspectives on Christ & Wounds That Remain, which is due to be published in 2024.  Resources: Preston's website Previous episode: Becoming a Trauma-Informed Church Free downloadable toolkit: Becoming a Trauma-Informed Church Action Plan Spiritual First Aid (includes a module on “Becoming a Trauma-Informed Church, Community, or Organization”) —---------   This episode was produced by WildfireCreative for the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College. Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @drjamieaten | @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes, it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes, we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction—especially in our blind spots. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Join us on today's episode for a deeply enriching conversation with Laura Howe of Hope Made Strong on the crucial role of the church in addressing mental health issues, particularly in the wake of the pandemic's collective trauma.  We leave no stone unturned, covering topics such as practical ways to empower your congregation to provide solace, support, and strength to those grappling with mental health issues. We also discuss the multitude of ways the Church Mental Health Summit can serve as a catalyst for education and change.  Each of us has a role to play in meeting the growing mental health needs in our circles. We pray this episode encourages those passionate about integrating mental health support within their churches and communities. Laura's Bio -  Laura Howe is a clinical mental health social worker, addictions counselor, and project manager.  She has spent her 15-year career supporting and serving the marginalized and suffering in her local community.  In 2019, Laura launched Hope Made Strong, an organization dedicated to helping the local church care for their communities without burning out. In 4 short (and busy years), the team at Hope Made Strong has grown, and together, they are serving churches worldwide with online courses, cohort groups, training, events, and a podcast. Laura is a refreshing voice in the faith and mental health space: upbeat and practical, with a strategic lens.  If you're looking for tools to support your ministry leaders and congregation, Hope Made Strong is a go-to resource. Resources: Church Mental Health Summit Hope Made Strong Spiritual First Aid —---------   This episode was produced by WildfireCreative for the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College. Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction—especially in our blind spots. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Join us for a conversation about the much-needed, challenging world of disaster relief with Brent Davis, Director of Canadian Ministry Projects for Samaritan's Purse. Brent's mantra “anytime we're not responding, we're preparing” reinforces the commitment and readiness Samaritan's Purse brings to communities ravaged by wildfires and other disasters. We'll uncover the critical role of trust-building, the logistics of post-disaster deployment, and the swift establishment of Samaritan's Purse operations in affected communities.  Brent takes us behind the scenes of Samaritan's Purse's unique approach, showing us how they assess needs, manage debris, and assist in possession recovery after a disaster. At the same time, they build bridges between faith communities and local authorities, providing hope and love amid chaos.  We also explore the stark reality of recovery extending beyond the typical 12-month news cycle, shedding light on the often-overlooked needs arising 18 to 24 months post-disaster. In addition, Brent shares volunteers' pivotal roles and what community resilience looks like after traumatic events. Tune in now for this enlightening and thought-provoking episode. Bio:  Brent Davis is the Director of Canadian Ministry Projects for Samaritan's Purse Canada and currently chairs the Alberta NGO Council. The Council coordinates post-disaster support provided by 14 NGOs within the province of Alberta. Brent also serves as past chair of the Emergency Management NGO Consortium of Canada (EMNCC). Since 2007, Brent has led disaster response operations for Samaritan's Purse in over 25 Canadian municipalities and has coordinated Canadian resources in nine major international disasters. Brent resides in Southern Alberta with his wife and three children. Resources: Samaritan's Purse Canada Humanitarian Disaster Institute Previous episode—War Zones and Humanitarian Values: An Inside Look —------- This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this week's conversation, we navigate the complex terrain of foster care and adoption with our esteemed guests, Jenn Ranter Hook, founder and executive director of Replanted, and her husband, Josh Hook, a psychology professor. Jenn opens up about her personal experiences working with children in the foster care system and her realization about the Church's lack of support for families on that journey. Josh shares his research interests and how they intersect with adoption and foster care, highlighting the need for trauma-informed resources. We also discuss the critical work of Replanted, a platform for supporting families who have experienced foster care and adoption. Jenn passionately divulges how the organization fills a gap many families face, providing much-needed resources and community connections.  Listen as we uncover families' realities, challenges, and triumphs in foster care and adoption. Bios:  Joshua N. Hook (Ph.D.) is a Professor of Psychology at the University of North Texas. He is also a Licensed Clinical Psychologist whose research interests include humility, religion/spirituality, and multicultural counseling. He has written or co-written several books, including Replanted: Faith-Based Support for Adoptive and Foster Families and Thriving Families: A Trauma-Informed Guidebook for the Foster and Adoptive Journey. He lives in Texas with his family..  Jenn Ranter Hook (MA) is the founder and executive director of Replanted. She previously worked as a trauma therapist for children and adolescents in foster care and speaks frequently on topics related to adoption and foster care support, mental health, and trauma. She is the author of two books: Replanted: Faith-Based Support for Foster and Adoptive Families and Thriving Families: A Trauma-Informed Guidebook for the Foster and Adoptive Journey. She lives in Texas with her family. Resources: Replanted website Josh's website/blog Previous episode: From Heartache to Hope: The Church's Mission in Foster Care and Trauma Healing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

About the episode: Have you ever felt that Christian practices and mindfulness are worlds apart? Joshua Knabb, a board-certified clinical psychologist and professor of psychology, joins us to bridge that gap. We unearth the deeply meditative heritage of Christianity and explore how secularized “mindfulness” can be adapted to resonate with Christian values.  We also discuss Lectio Divina, a reading practice rooted in the Christian monastic tradition. The findings from Joshua's research on Lectio Divina offer an intriguing scientific perspective on its power, and his studies shed light on the transformative applications of these practices.  Listen to learn more about the potential of incorporating ancient disciplines into our busy lives. Bio: Joshua J. Knabb, PsyD, ABPP, is a Board-Certified Clinical Psychologist with the American Board of Professional Psychology and Fellow of the American Academy of Clinical Psychology, specializing in individual and couples therapy. Residing in Southern California with his wife and two children, Dr. Knabb is a Tenured Professor of Psychology at California Baptist University (CBU), serving as the Associate Dean for the Psychology Division and Director of the Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) in Clinical Psychology Program in the College of Behavioral and Social Sciences. In addition to his work as an educator and psychotherapist, Dr. Knabb is the Editor of the Journal of Psychology and Christianity, and his writings and research have been published in a wide variety of academic journals, textbooks, and workbooks over the last decade.  Resources: Joshua's website Previous episode: The Anxiety Opportunity: Embracing Spiritual Growth and Transformation in Times of Distress  Previous episode: Grounded in Grace–A Christian Technique for Relieving Stress and Strengthening Faith Our online Spiritual First Aid Certificate Course —---------   This episode was produced by WildfireCreative for the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College. Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction—especially in our blind spots. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

About the episode: Step into the trenches with us as we unpack the raw truth of providing humanitarian aid in war zones. We are privileged to have as our guests Anne Reitsema, CEO of Medair, and Meghan North, former country director for Medair in Ukraine and Poland. They share insights about the initial response to the crisis in Ukraine and details about the daily reality of living and serving in areas of conflict. During our conversation, Anne and Meghan shared the unique challenges posed by the conflict zone and the strategy adopted by Medair to meet the community's specific needs. We also discuss the indispensable role of values and principles in humanitarian work., reflecting on the power of hope during difficult times and the beauty of mutual assistance.  Listen to learn more about the resilience and dedication needed to make a difference for some of the world's most vulnerable people. Anne's bio: Anne Reitsema became Medair's Chief Executive Officer in 2023. Medair is a Christian International Humanitarian Organization that responds to major crises triggered by natural disasters, disease outbreaks, or conflict. Its mandate is to save lives and relieve human suffering in some of the world's most devastated and difficult-to-reach places. Anne joined Medair in 2004 and has since led Medair's programs in Zimbabwe, Angola, Uganda, Sudan, Somalia, and South Sudan. Before joining Medair, she worked as a social worker. She holds a bachelor's degree in Social Work and a master's degree in Counseling. Meghan's bio: Meghan North is an experienced humanitarian aid worker with 10 years of humanitarian experience. She specializes in complex emergencies and has worked in over eight countries, including Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Mozambique, Sudan, and South Sudan. She has worked with Medair for over eight years, most recently as Country Director overseeing Ukraine and Poland. Meghan holds an M.A. from Wheaton College in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership.   Resources: Find out more about Medair. Previous episode: Our Life-Changing Visit to Ukraine Previous episode: How Do You Sustain Hope and Resist Disillusionment When Doing Good? Previous episode: Seven Crucial Steps for Soul-Care: So You Can Care for Others Come study with us: HDI's MA in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership —---------   This episode was produced by WildfireCreative for the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College. Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @drjamieaten | @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction—especially in our blind spots. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine walking into a room and feeling an inexplicable sense of attachment. Have you wondered why? In this episode, we explore that very question with our guest, Dr. Victor Counted, a renowned researcher and associate professor at Regent University. Our discussion pivots around the psychology of religion and environmental psychology, unearthing how our attachment to places and God shapes our identities and spirituality. Also, Dr. Counted brings an eye-opening perspective on the interplay between our emotional bonds to places and our faith experiences. Join us on this thought-provoking journey as we offer insights into how the interaction of place, faith, and psychology can enhance human flourishing in a spiritual context.  Listen to learn about :  The psychology of religion and places and how we form attachments to places. The concept of embodied cognition and how it can be applied to the church context to help people re-establish a connection with the church. Four processes to help people reconnect to the church. Bio: Vic Counted, Ph.D., is an associate professor and director of the Abundant Life Flourishing Program at the College of Health and Behavioral Sciences, Regent University, VA. He is also a faculty affiliate of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University. His work primarily examines various psychosocial and psychospiritual processes that shape, support, and sustain health and well-being across cultures, including how the interactions with the physical and social environments contribute to human flourishing. He has published over 60 peer-reviewed articles and many book chapters. His books include "The Roots of Radicalization" (2021, Lexington Book) and "Place and Post-Pandemic Flourishing" (2021, Springer Nature).  RESOURCES: Website - https://vcounted.com/  YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@vcounted  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VCounted  This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Discover the psychological secrets behind why people are leaving behind their faith and quietly quitting church as we sit down with esteemed guests, Dr. Aaron McLaughlin and Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren. In our eye-opening conversation, we dig into their recent study "Losing My Religion," funded by the John Templeton Foundation, which aimed to understand the characteristics, reasons, and mental health of the religious “dones” (individuals who once held religious beliefs but have since walked away from their faith). We explore the four primary reasons why people leave religion: intellectual issues, religious trauma, personal adversity, and social reasons. We also uncover the intriguing "brunch replacement hypothesis," where people who don't prioritize religion pair up with someone who also doesn't prioritize it, eventually opting for brunch over church. Don't miss our discussion on the practical implications of the "Losing My Religion" study for churches and individuals, delving into the need for genuine care and interest in people's stories and the importance of humbly loving our neighbors through their complex journeys.  Tune in now for this enlightening and thought-provoking episode! Bios: Aaron McLaughlin, Ph.D., is a postdoctoral research associate at the Ken Matheny Center for the Study of Stress, Trauma, and Resilience at Georgia State University. His research interests include studying humility and other positive psychology constructs and their relationships with well-being outcomes and cooperation in cross-cultural contexts. Additionally, he is interested in religious and spiritual research for supporting communities' mental health and well-being in intercultural or cross-cultural contexts. Aaron enjoys exploring different ways to brew coffee, going on adventures outside with his family, and being part of their church community.  Daryl Van Tongeren, Ph.D., is an associate professor of psychology at Hope College. A social psychologist, he has over 200 scholarly articles and chapters and three books, including his most recent book, Humble. His research has been covered by numerous media outlets, including The New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, NPR-affiliate radio stations, Scientific American, and Men's Health. Darryl's work has been supported by numerous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, and he has won national and international awards for his research. Currently, he is an Associate Editor for The Journal of Positive Psychology and a Consulting Editor for Psychology of Religion and Spirituality and the Journal of Social Psychology. He enjoys running, biking, and hiking near where he lives with his wife.  Resources: Spiritual First Aid certificate course ___________ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if anxiety, a feeling we often dread, could actually be an opportunity for spiritual growth? In this fascinating conversation with Curtis Chang— executive director of Redeeming Babel, consulting professor at Duke Divinity School, and senior fellow at Fuller Theological Seminary—we discuss his new book, The Anxiety Opportunity, and explore how to approach anxiety from a Christian perspective. Together, we dive into the relationship between Christianity and coping with loss in times of anxiety. Curtis reveals how anxiety can be viewed as a signal that loss is ahead and how this can open the door to restoration and growth with God's help. He also talks about the wrong ways anxiety is viewed in some Christian circles and how evidence-based therapies and medications can help moderate anxiety's most crippling effects while fostering spiritual development.  Finally, we discuss the importance of moving towards others in dealing with anxiety and how bringing the conversation into community can be transformative. Bio: Curtis Chang is a public theologian and consulting faculty member of Duke Divinity School and a Senior Fellow at Fuller Theological Seminary. Curtis recently wrote for the New York Times and Christianity Today and appeared on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, and NPR's All Things Considered. Curtis is also the co-host of Good Faith, a podcast with New York Times columnist David French. His ministry, speaking, and writing is fueled by a passion for helping Christians recognize the surprising authority and relevance of Jesus for parts of life that are often left to the secular world. Resources: Curtis' book—The Anxiety Opportunity: How Worry is the Doorway to Your Best Self Previous episode—:Grounded in Grace: A Christian Technique for Relieving Stress and Strengthening Faith Spiritual First Aid certificate course This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if we could help every child flourish in the face of adversity and trauma? Join us as we speak with two staff members of Christian Heritage, a non-profit agency in Nebraska: Roy Baldwin, the executive director, and Emma Sugita, CH's training director. Christian Heritage's mission is to see the gospel redeem the most broken families through their programs and services, including Beyond Prison, Families Together, and Care Portal.  Roy and Emma relate stories of hope from the front lines of foster care ministry, touch on how their organization prioritizes the flourishing of their employees, and share practical ways believers and churches can come alongside foster care families.  This episode is a must-listen for anyone wanting to learn more about the challenges and opportunities in foster care—or any trauma-informed ministry. Bios: Roy Baldwin currently serves as CEO for Christian Heritage in Lincoln NE. He is the former Director of Parenting and Youth at Focus on the Family. Roy has worked for over 25 years working with vulnerable youth and families and often writes about faith and families at SincereReligion.com. He lives in Lincoln, Nebraska with his wife of 27 years and has 3 kids.  Emma Sugita lives in Lincoln, Nebraska with her husband Josh and 2 kids. She currently serves as the Director of Training at Christian Heritage. Emma has worked at CH for 6 years previously as a Foster Care Specialist and Licensing Specialist before her current role.  RESOURCES:  Christian Heritage's website Article:: Orienting our Hearts and Mind for Effective Foster Care Previous episode: Becoming a Trauma-Informed Church Download our FREE trauma-informed church action tool Free e-book: 101 Ways to Overcome Burnout (includes 94 pages of helpful tools, research, and encouragement) Spiritual First Aid certificate course ___________ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. —--- Episode keywords: foster care, parenting, trauma, church, burnout, self-care, trauma-informed, vulnerable children, youth, mental health, adolescents, ministry, trust-based intervention, healing, healthy churches, flourishing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Jamie delves into the crucial topic of helping your congregation become a trauma-informed church. He also notes the perils of non-trauma-informed congregations. With nearly 70% of people experiencing trauma at some point in their lives, it's essential for churches to understand trauma's prevalence and impact, in order to create a safe and supportive environment for those affected.  Join us as we continue to learn how to “do good, better” and create more compassionate, accountable, and supportive faith communities.  RESOURCES:  Download our FREE trauma-informed church action tool Spiritual First Aid certificate course Previous episode: Power and Abuse in the Church Previous episode: Navigating the Unholy Fatigue of Burnout: Burnout, Compassion Fatigue, and Vicarious Trauma Previous episode: A Well-Equipped Church is the Best Place to Start Healing from Trauma Free trauma-informed spiritual and emotional care resources ___________ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives, with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Jamie introduces a Christian grounding technique he and Kent developed for the Spiritual First Aid certificate course, Grounded in Grace: The 5-4-3-2-1 Technique. The technique is designed to help manage stress and anxiety by directing our attention to the present moment through our five senses. Because it incorporates prayer and visualization, this practice can strengthen our faith and deepen our connection to God.  As Jamie notes, it's vital for helpers to take care of themselves because “there's no Spiritual First Aid without self-aid.” We pray this episode encourages you as you encourage others. RESOURCES:  Previous episode: Ten-minute Guided Relaxation Exercise Previous episode: Navigating the Unholy Trinity of Burnout: Burnout, Compassion Fatigue, and Vicarious Trauma Free e-book: 101 Ways to Overcome Burnout (includes 94 pages of helpful tools, research, and encouragement) How close to burnout are you? Take our free 10-question quiz to find out. Soul Care for Wounded Healers: guided journaling exercise (audio resource) Find Calm in the Chaos: 11-minute guided prayer (audio resource) Spiritual First Aid certificate course ___________ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives, with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Jamie dives into the unholy trinity of burnout: burnout itself, compassion fatigue, and vicarious trauma. This trio is familiar to many in helping professions, ministry positions, or volunteer roles. Understanding their definitions and root causes is essential for preventing—and overcoming—each of them. As Christian helpers, we can't ignore these issues. Instead, we must prioritize our well-being to serve others more effectively and model healthier life rhythms. Together as the Church, we have a unique opportunity to tackle this unholy trinity of burnout head-on and help people find the support they need to lead well and “do good, better” from a place of rest. RESOURCES:  Free e-book: 101 Ways to Overcome Burnout (includes 94 pages of helpful tools, research, and encouragement) 7 Ways Pastors Can Avoid Burning Out with Ray Chang How close to burnout are you? Take our free 10-question quiz to find out. Soul Care for Wounded Healers: guided journaling exercise (audio resource) Find Calm in the Chaos: 11-minute guided prayer (audio resource) Seven Crucial Steps for Self-Care with Holly Oxhandler Spiritual First Aid certificate course ___________ This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We believe learning how to “do good, better” involves listening to many perspectives, with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. —--- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of the things Jamie and Kent have learned over the years is that “doing good, better” is demanding emotionally, physically, mentally, and spiritually. It's quite common for helpers to feel a high level of stress, and they may eventually succumb to compassion fatigue or even burnout.  In a special edition of the podcast, Jamie leads us through a 10-minute progressive muscle relaxation exercise to help relieve stress. We hope it will encourage you as you continue to serve and make a difference in the lives of those around you. RESOURCES: Free e-book: 101 Ways to Overcome Burnout (includes 94 pages of helpful tools, research, and encouragement) 7 Ways Pastors Can Avoid Burning Out with Ray Chang How close to burnout are you? Take our free 10-question quiz to find out. Soul Care for Wounded Healers: guided journaling exercise (audio resource) Find Calm in the Chaos: 11-minute guided prayer (audio resource) Seven Crucial Steps for Self-Care with Holly Oxhandler Spiritual First Aid certificate course ___________ "On Being a Good Neighbor", a sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode was produced by Wildfire Creative. Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten  Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreative (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. We think learning how to “do good better” involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable; sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for corrections. Especially in our blind spots.) Jamie Aten, Ph.D., and Kent Annan, M.Div. co-direct the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College and are also the co-founders of Spiritual First Aid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this unique episode, Jamie and Kent sit down with poet and pastor Drew Jackson, author of two volumes of poetry, including God Speaks Through Wombs: Poems on God's Unexpected Coming. Drew reads several of his poems, leading into discussions about Jesus as an outsider, how justice work is a core gospel ethic, and why remaining vulnerable and compassionate is imperative for Christians who want to “do good, better.”.   Listen as:  (0:00:03) - Drew reads his poem “Nazareth,” reflecting on Luke 1:2 (0:09:12), and shares how he uses writing poetry to explore and ask questions. (0:16:27) - Jamie, Kent, and Drew discuss the concept of calling and vocation, with the idea that humans are created in the image of God and that the work of justice is at the core of our being. (0:32:35) - Drew relates how Jesus calls us to approach the world and others with tenderness, compassion, and a willingness to serve.  (0:37:43) - Jamie, Kent, and Drew talk about how we can prevent becoming numb as we respond to what's happening in the world. Drew E. Jackson is a poet and pastor. He is the author of God Speaks Through Wombs: Poems on God's Unexpected Coming and  Touch the Earth: Poems on The Way, and his work has appeared in Oneing, Made for Pax, The Journal from the Centre for Public Christianity, Fathom Magazine, and other publications. He received his B.A. in Political Science from the Univ. of Chicago and his M.A. in Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. Drew lives in New York City with his wife and daughters. Resources: Drew's Website - https://drewejackson.com/  Drew's books - https://drewejackson.com/books  This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this wide-ranging episode, Jamie and Kent sit down with Bob Smietana, a veteran news reporter and author of Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why It Matters. Together they discuss why people are leaving American churches, examine the loss of resources from current trends (and scandals), and discuss what we can do to continue moving forward.  Listen in to learn more about: Crises that Jamie and Kent are not prepared for—like cat-worshiping cults.  The changing landscape of religion in America; it's not your grandmother's church anymore.  How churches and denominations collaborate to get things done at the local level.  As resources become scarce, how can churches and nonprofits effectively weigh the cost-benefit factor? Bob's thoughts on actions we can each take towards “doing better, faithfully.” Bob's tips for excellent storytelling, whether your audience is church members, donors, or readers.   Bio: Bob Smietana is an award-winning religion reporter and editor who has spent two decades producing breaking news, data journalism, investigative reporting, profiles, and features for magazines, newspapers, trade publications, and websites. His book on the changing face of the American Church was recently named to Christianity Today's 2023 Book Awards. Publisher's Weekly called it “a must-read for anyone invested in the fate of the American church.” RESOURCES: Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why it Matters Bob's piece on “The Better Samaritan” blog: The Organized Kindness of Strangers, and Why It's in Danger Bob's article “Apocalypse Meow” Bob's website: bobsmietana.com  This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're excited to begin a brand-new season of “The Better Samaritan” with a special episode. A few months ago, Jamie Aten and Kent Annan were invited by One Collective to teach Spiritual First Aid training for Christians serving refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) impacted by the war in Ukraine.  In this episode, Jamie and Kent share audio they recorded on the field and reflections while on the trip and after they'd been home a few weeks.  You'll hear::  How they almost missed the trip before even taking off! Their experience arriving in Ukraine and insightful conversations with their driver, Miroslav.  A conversation with Doug Lando from One Collective with Doug's thoughts about the humanitarian efforts and what the churches are doing.  Why the podcast might have been named “Humanitarians in Cars Getting Coffee.” The war's effects on university students and how it has changed their lives.  Marena's story.  Final thoughts and reflections. RESOURCES: Video of the Ukrainians singing during the workshop  Let's Not Forget About Ukraine: Three Practical Ways to Help The Grief in Ukraine and Our Chance to Live Out the Christian Promise How the War in Ukraine is Hurting the Global Food Supply Chain One Collective  Spiritual First Aid Certificate Course "On Being a Good Neighbor" sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode was produced by WildfireCreative  Theme Song: “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter:  @drjamieaten |  @kentannan Follow on Instagram: @wildfirecreativeco (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have Evangelicals, and sometimes we won't. Learning how to do better involves listening to many perspectives with different insights and understanding. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes, we'll agree, and sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction– Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Disillusionment is the loss of a lie that we have believed.” —Peter Greer, HOPE International Most people who work in humanitarian and helping professions end up in a familiar cycle: idealism leads to disillusionment which leads to either cynicism, or hope.  Peter Greer and Chris Horst, both with HOPE International, have seen it again and again. For their new book, “The Gift of Disillusionment: Enduring Hope for Leaders After Idealism Fades,” they interviewed Christian leaders from around the world who have overcome disillusionment, gleaning lessons for the rest of us. In this episode, Jamie and Kent ask them about:  Takeaways from those interviews How to define hope Shepherding young idealists  Words of advice for people experiencing disillusionment for the first time Why it's important for the American church to find diverse voices, and why it was important for this book How to assess whether an organization is the right fit for you—and how HOPE assesses how candidates are the right fit for them RESOURCES: “The Gift of Disillusionment: Enduring Hope for Leaders After Idealism Fades” by Peter Greer & Chris Horst Where are you on the journey from idealism to enduring hope? Take the test that accompanies Peter & Chris' book here "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @peterkgreer | @chrishorst | @hopetweets (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"This issue is not going away, and it's not a one church issue. Has spanned the church world in all denominations. I think it's something that God is exposing because he loves the church and wants to see her well." —Danielle Strickland Danielle Strickland spent 22 years as a Salvation Army officer in 3 countries, fighting exploitation and human trafficking, before becoming a church planter and teacher. At a Canadian megachurch where she was serving, a survivor of clergy sexual abuse came to her to share her story of abuse by the head pastor. What ensued led to an investigation and ultimately, Danielle's resignation from the church. In this episode, Danielle shares a step-by-step timeline of what happened in the Meeting House investigation: what worked, and what didn't work, and how it all affected the survivor. Jamie and Kent talk with her about how a church can prepare for and be a safe space for survivors. Danielle gives an update on what is currently happening at the Meeting House, as more survivors have come forward, and gives a final exhortation to church leaders: center Jesus by centering the people he did. That's always the oppressed. If there comes a time when it's necessary to choose between protecting the reputation of a particular church and protecting a survivor, choose the survivor. That's what Jesus did. RESOURCES: Until Every Woman is Heard Prayer Movement "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @djstrickland (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Paul McLaughlin went to his advisor, Mark McMinn, to pitch a dissertation on wisdom psychology, Mark told him: “Paul, that sounds like a great topic, but psychologists do not really study wisdom.”  Paul proved him wrong, and years later they've together crafted a book on it: As Christians, what can we learn from the science of wisdom? And how we can cultivate this virtue in our hectic, tragic modern world? In this episode, Kent and Jamie also query Paul and Mark on topics like: What's the difference between information and wisdom?:  What's the cost of operating without wisdom? What are some practices for cultivating wisdom? What is the relationship between adversity and wisdom? RESOURCES: Paul and Mark's book: A Time for Wisdom: Knowledge, Detachment, Tranquility, Transcendence (Templeton Press, 2022) "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch |  (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

84 million people have been forcibly displaced around the world. Add to that a recent 5 million from Ukraine, and the world's borders are under tremendous pressure.  According to Ali Noorani, founder of the National Immigration Forum, that creates a deep sense of fear that our borders are out of control. To ‘do something' used to mean to treat refugees & immigrants in the harshest way possible. But how do we, as a country, uphold our values of both freedom and fairness in this area? Ali has concrete recommendations for the nation and for the church. RESOURCES: Ali's book: “Crossing Borders: The Reconciliation of a Nation of Immigrants” "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @anoorani (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As a helper, you want to help, serve and honor those you work with. That might be as a church leader, disaster relief worker, nurse or barista. But as an imperfect person, you may need to do some soul-searching in order to most effectively help those around you. Dr. Holly Oxhandler's book, The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others, is an invitation for helpers to become curious about their inner landscape. What is happening within us impacts the ways that we serve others—and we have to pay attention to this intersection. For example, we may be trying to act out some of the things we are seeking without offering an open-palmed, unconditional presence.  Join us in this episode for an invitation to look deep within yourself and examine your own motives and soul health … so that your service is out of abundant love. RESOURCES: "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @hollyoxhandler (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How has militarism shaped our idea of the way a Christian ‘should' be? Does it make sense to put theology at the center of what it means to be an evangelical—even if pastors would like it to be? Jamie and Kent sat down with Dr. Kristin Kobes Du Mez, author of “Jesus and John Wayne,” to ask her these questions and talk about her take on evangelicals' relationship with the ‘outsider'—plus—the dangerous byproduct of attention to global persecution of Christians.  RESOURCES: "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @kkdumez (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 1995, a book was published with a provocative opening: "The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is not much of an evangelical mind." (Christianity Today would go on to award this Book of the Year.) Today on the podcast, the author of that book—prominent evangelical historian Mark Noll—looks back on the last 30 years of the movement ahead of the book's re-release. He talks with Jamie and Kent about the vast diversity in the movement, populism and the way it permeates Christian politics, and the tension between evangelicalism and science. They also discuss ways for students and young professionals to cultivate a life of the mind; Mark says “...the ideal Christian is either a thinking activist, or an active thinker.”  RESOURCES: The Scandal of the Evanglical Mind—releasing March 31, 2022 "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Photo credit: William Koechling Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch |  (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In just 13 days, two million Ukrainians have so far been absorbed into other nations in the European Union—not in camps, but in homes, welcomed with open arms by 27 nations. How much more can Europe absorb? Roger Sandberg, VP of Field Operations for Medical Teams International, was asked by the government of Poland to operate a clinic on the border of Ukraine. He just arrived in the region, and joins us to update on the humanitarian response to the crisis. RESOURCES: Roger's organization: Medical Teams International CT: Moldova Welcomes 100K Ukraine Refugees, With Evangelicals Opening Doors "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @medicalteams (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rev. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin is the founder and Executive Director of Soulfire International Ministry and Senior Vice President of Ministry Impact at the American Bible Society. Previously, she ran the Trauma Healing Institute at the American Bible Society. She spoke with Kent and Jamie about questions like: How do you define impact in ministry? What steps can local churches take to make sure they are helping victims of trauma—and not making things worse? What is normalized stress, and how can the church respond to it? Dr. Martin received her Master of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary, where she was the recipient of the Jones Prize in Music and the Swink Prize in Preaching. She also earned a Doctor of Ministry at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary with an emphasis on African American Redemptive Leadership. Dr. Martin teaches courses in Ministry and Leadership Development at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte, and has been inducted into the prestigious Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Board of Preachers at Morehouse College. RESOURCES: Trauma Healing Training Generational Trauma Healing “Virtual Healing Groups? One Expert Says It's Possible” (written by Dr. Martin for the Better Samaritan blog) "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @nmassiemartin (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Which Enneagram numbers are drawn to helping professions? Might trauma impact our Enneagram types? And how can we use the Enneagram to do good, better?  Listen as Jamie (3) and Kent (number as yet unknown) interview Suzanne Stabile, often known as the ‘godmother' of the enneagram, on these questions and more. Suzanne's newest book, The Journey to Wholeness, explains what it means for certain numbers on the Enneagram to ‘move to' other numbers in health—or in stress. RESOURCES: Suzanne's website Suzanne's books: The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships The Journey Toward Wholeness: Enneagram Wisdom for Stress, Balance, and Transformation "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Learn more about earning a M.A. in Humanitarian & Disaster Leadership at Wheaton College—online or in-person This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @suzannestabile (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Participants at last year's virtual Spiritual First Aid Summit were totally captivated by one particular workshop. It was a free-writing exercise with Bethany D. Hiser, who refers to herself as a "recovering social justice workaholic." Hiser authored the book, "From Burned Out to Beloved: Soul Care for Wounded Healers." We decided to bring Hiser's workshop to you, our podcast listeners, for you to use anytime. The wonderful music accompaniment is provided by Aaron Andries, of "Graveyards to Gardens." (For more on Hiser's workshops, visit her website here.) You'll see in our recent episodes that we also have a Ten Minute Embodied Prayer by Liuan Huska. This is another great tool to use for a moment of peace, to reconnect with your body. For today's episode though, you might want to use a pen and journal. The Lord bless you and keep you this week. —Laura, Jamie & Kent RESOURCES: Bethany Hiser's website "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Music by Aaron Andries of "Graveyards to Gardens" Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @bethanydhiser (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pastors can't stop talking about this recent article by Melissa Florer-Bixler, Raleigh Mennonite Church and the chair of L'Arche North Carolina. Nearly half of pastors under 45 have considered leaving ministry in the past year, along with much of the rest of the workforce—a phenomenon which seems to be unique to the U.S., for various reasons. Since Jamie conducted research on pastors who stayed in their communities after Hurricane Katrina, Kent sat down with the two of them to ask: What is the 'Great Resignation,' and why are pastors joining it? How do church communities survive disasters—from hurricanes to pandemics? Not all pastors are leaving ministry or retiring; for those who are staying, what is giving them strength? RESOURCES: Why Pastors are Joining the Great Resignation by Melissa Florer-Bixler “How to Have an Enemy: Righteous Anger and the Work of Peace” by Melissa Florer-Bixler Has the Pandemic Made Your Pastor Want to Quit? Probably. by Christa Cordova Four Keys for Church Leaders Surviving the Tension of Unprecedented Times by Aubrey Sampson and Brian From Melissa's website "On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This episode produced by Laura Finch Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | TuneIn | Stitcher | RSS Follow us on Twitter: @kentannan | @drjamieaten | @laura_e_finch | @melissaflobix (Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices