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Brad and Lesley recap her conversation with franchise expert Jon Ostenson, unpacking how non-food franchising helps risk-averse entrepreneurs own a business without reinventing the wheel. They highlight funding paths, corporate support, and why following the playbook matters. You will hear practical ways to start while keeping your day job and how Jon's services are paid by franchisors, not you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:When to treat Reformer footwork differently from leg press.How franchise ownership works even if you keep your day job.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Common mistakes franchisees make when they don't follow the playbook.The mindset shifts around seeing $50K as possible, not impossible.Episode References/Links:Indivisible Movement - https://indivisible.orgBook: She Caused A Riot by Hannah Jewell - https://a.co/d/cGhs5UYP.O.T. 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How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do. Then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the supporting convo I had with Jon Ostenson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us, or listen to this one, and then you can decide if you want to listen that one. I think it's great. Jon has a book. It's really wonderful. It's a very niche topic. It's a nerdy topic. It's one I wanted to have because I don't think entrepreneurs, I'm like, making your own idea is for everybody, but I do think everybody deserves to have the wealth and agency that they want to have in this world and make what they want to make. So I'm excited about it. Brad Crowell 1:30  Well, I thought I really liked, I really liked the conversation. I was very I mean, especially for me, because I am very entrepreneurial, but I appreciated the back and forth. So, yeah, I, I think that it was very revealing. Lesley Logan 1:51  Are you saying it was a great interview? Did I do a good job? Brad Crowell 1:51  I'm saying it was a great interview. Not only that, but I think the information that he's sharing is shocking. He's super smart dude, and I thought, I thought it was very revealing for someone who might be hoping, wishing they could own a business. This was very empowering, because it, it created hope I think. So, yeah, great. Lesley Logan 2:17  I well, you'll, you guys, stay tuned. You'll hear what we're talking about in a second. Today is September 11th, 2025 and it's Patriot Day, which gives us all time to reflect on the devastating terror attacks that took 3000 lives. We commemorate those who we lost, and give thanks to the brave responders who put their lives on the line. Take a moment today to consider what we stand for as a nation, how we can work together to make the world a better place for all. It's a hard day. Brad Crowell 2:39  Yeah, I mean.Lesley Logan 2:40  Especially with 20, with 25 years to reflect on what fucking lies we're told afterwards, and then how we treat the first responders and how fucking hard it was to get their medical bills paid because they're dying from cancer right now. Like.Brad Crowell 2:56  Yeah, it's like, it's like a story that keeps repeating itself where something devastating happens that is wrong and tragic. People die and then motherfuckers in office take advantage of the public's emotional state, and they use it to go do some wrong shit. Lesley Logan 3:18  Go, so seriously, go watch the movie Vice. I happen to be really lucky to be teaching Christian Bale's wife at the time that he was filming that. And so it was a really interesting time, because, like, he was becoming Dick Cheney, which, like, it is a, I mean, of course, he won an, I think he won a bunch of awards for that. And he literally thanked Satan for the inspiration. Brad Crowell 3:41  Yes, he did. Lesley Logan 3:37  And I remember, I remember my client. I remember my client was, my client was just like, I fucking told him not to do that, or something like that. And so anyways, but go watch it, because it, while it's not historical, it is pretty fucking accurate about like, how rich Cheney and these bitches got after doing what they did and using, using the heartbreak, and what people fought with patriotism to go make these fucking wars, and then we did a bunch of bullshit, and then we ruined places. And it just pisses me off, because. Brad Crowell 4:04  Over, over, lies. Lesley Logan 4:09  Lies and so. And also, if you don't believe in September 11th being what it was like, I don't know why you're here, but like, I, I just really.Brad Crowell 4:18  Well, it was, I mean, it was a terrorist attack, no question. But what we did after it, how the public was manipulated, to then go to war for 20 years after, based on literal lies, you know.Lesley Logan 4:30  Yeah, it's, I it's hard because, like, okay, reflecting on what we consider as a nation today, I think, as an I think the people running our nation today reflect something I would never want to be a patriot of.Brad Crowell 4:42  Yeah, and that that's, that's the thing that really frustrates me as a person who, when you read the definition of patriot, I want to be that. That is absolutely, I mean, I consider myself a patriot. But also there's this, there's this frustrating association with angry white men, usually, who don't give a shit about people. And there's so much fear of others associated with it. And there's this ego that's associated with it that.Lesley Logan 5:17  It's, it's so it's so fragile. What they're like, they're thinking is so they are. They're such fragile people. Because they're just like, they're the way that they think, that they're showing strength. And we're like, protesting, they're like, like, making sure that we see the middle finger, and like, just like, and it's like, I have never driven in my entire life, of driving past something, we're talking about this with the protest where I disagree. Brad Crowell 5:39  We used to live by protests all the time, where we lived in L.A., we're literally next to the federal building, so it was like, every weekend, forever.Lesley Logan 5:45  Every weekend, it was like, who's protesting today? And like, there were times I was like, oh, I wonder why. It made me get curious as to, like, what is going on here. It was very fascinating. And it was like, what the fuck like, but I never was like, here's my middle finger to you. It's like, just, you know, move along. Move right along. The fact that you have to make sure I see your face in your lifted stupid truck while you flip me off, it makes you and that makes you feel good. You're like, yeah, I did it to them. I did it like, we were in Idaho, and there was a big ass sign in this guy's house. I was walking by the lake, and it was like, make liberals cry again, and it's like, oh, you think I'm crying. I'm pissed off. Like the tears of the tears are of what we are losing, of course, but like, no, I'm pissed off. James Baldwin, I want to, I want to make sure everyone hears this quote, because I think it's really beautiful, and I think it's this is what being a patriot is. I love America more than any other country in the world, and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. And I think that, like, this country has so many shortcomings, and no country is perfect. Like, I was listening to Sophia Bush on a podcast recently, and she's like, like, I'm not gonna move because, like, I love this place. I'm gonna fight for her. And so, like, if you moved and whatever, like, I have no judgments for that, but if you're here, like, you have to fight, because we're losing rights. We're losing rights. And it really pisses me off, because in the time of my mother being an adult and married woman, she could not get a credit card until, like, the 80s, right? Like, like, I if you're listening to this and you're just like, la, la, la, I just want to hear about how to be till I see it. Ladies, you are going to lose your ability to have your own bank account. You're gonna lose your ability to have your own vote. And if you think it's not going to happen because, oh, it's not going to happen. It's they want it to happen. And the right people are in power. And I'm tired of being told that Project 2025 is bullshit. It is happening right now. Lesley Logan 5:46  They're more than 50% of the way through completing Project 2025.Lesley Logan 5:48  In the time we're recording this, seven months. Brad Crowell 7:40  Yeah, seven months. And, I mean, you know, if you go through and you actually read the things that are in that platform, they they do want to make single family voting, which is literally taking away the white the rights of women, because they would consider the man the head of the household. Lesley Logan 8:02  And if you think, oh, I'm not married yeah your brother get to vote for you. I don't have a brother, your uncle get to vote for you. Like they will find a man if and when this type of life existed, they would find someone in the government to become your vote. You don't get there's no getting out of this. You don't get one.Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah, and, and, and the people in power are Tweeting about that stuff, literally right now, right like they're they're putting it out there. They're trying to normalize the idea so that when they go and try to do it, it doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal as it actually fucking is. Lesley Logan 8:32  So you know what I think patriotism is right now, babe, it is, find a protest. I know you're busy. I know you have fucked tons, going on. We are, too. Find one. Go for an hour. Go yell. Go meet friends. Go meet people who are different than you. It's, these protests people, some people are fighting for their their gay marriages to still exist. Some people are fighting further to not be war. Some people are fighting for God. Some people are fighting to like for the Epstein list. I don't care what gets you out there, but like you think that this, that what they're gonna do is not gonna affect your life, it is. It is. Brad Crowell 8:55  Yeah, go, go check out individual, indivisible.org, for a local, you know, event, or how you can get involved near you. So, you know, we're gonna move on, and we're gonna actually. Lesley Logan 9:11  Well, people like this, Brad, we've been told, hi, Vicky.Brad Crowell 9:14  I think it's so important y'all and and it's like this, I know that we this isn't a podcast about politics, but it is. Lesley Logan 9:22  But also, but also. Brad Crowell 9:23  Being it until you see it is a pod, it is about like politics, and it is a part of every single element of our life, even if you have the perfect life, quote, unquote, it's because of politics that you are able to live the way that you live. And what's happening right now is such fast, dramatic change in our countries. Like, historically, there's so much change happening so quickly there, that when we wake up, you know, in even six months from now, it's going to be like, there we are at the brink of things. Lesley Logan 9:53  I don't even know how we're going to make it to the midterms. That's my fear. That's my fear, and I put it out right now, but I will just say, even if you're like, less. I just want a homestead. I want to be like tradwife. The fact that you get to choose that is because of politics. So that is fine if that's what you want to choose to do. But do not think that everybody wants to do that and that that should be the choice for everybody. So I think that like that is why we have to get involved. And if you are a woman, you are political. Your existence in any room is political has been and if you really want to get fired up, go read the book, She Caused A Riot. Go look at history. Like fucking Socrates, his teacher was a woman. Did you know that? The reason you don't know that is because politics, they didn't want you to know that there was leaders in this world.Brad Crowell 10:39  Politics and religion. Lesley Logan 10:39  Fuck that. Anyways. Brad Crowell 10:39  Frustrating. Lesley Logan 10:39  I'm pissed off, but we're currently in the U.K. We're in the U.K. and then when we get home, well, we're home for a couple of weeks, and we gotta see my best friends and come visit, and then we're gonna go to Chicagoland for Pilates On Tour with Balanced Body. I'm doing the Joe's Gyms there. That's in Burr Ridge. If there's any spots left, you should snag one, because it's super, super fun, and we have a huge party coming with all of our agency eLevate OPC members, then we're gonna be in Cambodia. That's also in October. You can still join like you can join last minute. Guess what? Flight planes will sell a seat as long as there is one. So you can get the fuck out of town and retreat a little bit and be in a different world and get some empathy for what it's like to live in different places.Brad Crowell 11:21  Yeah, and experience a different culture and see that not everybody.Lesley Logan 11:24  If you are worried. Sorry, I cut you off. If you're worried about being an American in a different country, let me tell you, they see what's happening right now, and they are, in Cambodia, they are sad for us. They are scared for us. They know that they know where we're headed, and they're sad for us.Brad Crowell 11:25  Yeah, I was just gonna say with our experience recently about trying to cross borders and getting stuck and turned around and not being able to, it wasn't the it wasn't the attendees of the events that we were not able to attend who were angry with us. It was the border guard who was, you know, unfortunately, misinformed and, you know, and angry. And he's angry because the border guards of our country were turning away people for no reason. So he could just, that's the only power he had, was to turn away, you know, Americans for no reason. And we just kind of got caught up in that. So there's a lot of, there is a lot of frustration, but it's not from the people, right, in this country, it's like, you know? So, so I would say, you know, yeah, it did feel a little bit stressful to you know, as we were approaching, once we got there and started talking to them, it became clear that that there was just silly reasons being turned away but, but even in that, like the you know, the guy wasn't like, he wasn't an asshole about it. So, but I it was really frustrating. If you're worried about something like that, when you come to a place like Cambodia, you apply for your visa ahead of time. You will know before you arrive if they're going to turn you around, because you'll have the right paperwork.Lesley Logan 13:06  And also you're we're all going as tourists. The Canadian thing, we were going into work. Brad Crowell 13:11  That's true. Lesley Logan 13:11  And that was it, we'll have to do a whole episode on it, because it's a longer, longer conversation. That being said, you go to. Brad Crowell 13:18  But as a tourist, they want a tourist. They want that because. Lesley Logan 13:21  That's how they're that's literally how their country survives. Brad Crowell 13:24  Yep, it's how well, it's how the city that we're going to, that's how the economy there survives, from tourism. So, you know, and they are very aware of that, so. Lesley Logan 13:32  Yes, they want us there. They're so welcoming, they're so kind, and you can see what it's like to be living in a different part of this world. I think that's so important. I think one of the biggest reasons why people in this, in the U.S., are so fucking scared of people of a different color is because they've never, they've never gone and seen how they live. Yeah, you know, go get worldly. You will have more empathy, crowsnestretreats.com. After we leave Cambodia, we're going to be in Singapore. We're going to teach at a beautiful studio there, and then we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens. And then we're home. We're home for the whole month of November. Oh my God, no, Brad, I'm not going camping anywhere. We're home for the whole month of November. Brad Crowell 14:10  But my parents are coming. We're gonna go camp. Lesley Logan 14:12  No, we're, that is not why they're coming to visit us. Help make an, help you with the roof or something. And then October, we're gonna be on our winter tour. And if you want to make sure you hear about that first, go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, because our people on our waitlist will get the access to the tickets first. And the winter tour does have cities that sell out in 24 hours. Okay, we have to get to our interview, but we do have an audience question. So Brad, go for it.Brad Crowell 14:37  Yes. Okay. DMK asks on Instagram, hey Lesley, my footwork question is this, what cue or cues do you like to use during footwork? I'm sorry, if footwork students, very confused. They made a mistake on the word here.Lesley Logan 14:42  What cues do you like to use, if during footwork, students are using it like a leg press? Brad Crowell 14:56  Oh, sorry. Okay. Lesley Logan 14:57  Yeah, thank you. Brad Crowell 14:59  Well, I just read that wrong. That's all.Lesley Logan 15:00  It's okay, it's all good. So.Brad Crowell 15:04  First off, we're clearly talking about. Lesley Logan 15:06  Footwork on the Reformer. Yeah. DMK, this, I hate cues.Brad Crowell 15:13  Well, hold on, let's explain what the problem is. What is the problem that she's experiencing with her class? Lesley Logan 15:17  The problem that she's probably seen is they're, they're, they're pushing out and in, like, it's a leg press machine, like, it's like a leg machine, and they're making it only a leg exercise versus a full body exercise, right? And then the other thing is that they're not using all the muscles of their legs, because they're just, like, shoving their knees straight. And they're probably pausing at the top, which is what you do on a leg press machine. And then kind of, hopefully, on a leg press machine, you're resisting. But a lot of people just kind of, like, close the the weights, or just like, kind of float in or ride the springs in. So here's the deal, DMK, my teacher, Jay Grimes, and the teachers I studied with him, talked a lot about how Joe didn't really correct during footwork. You use footwork to tell you what's kind of going on in the person's body. So I also happen to like three or four springs on for footwork. So some people think that, like heavy springs means they're gonna use it like a leg press machine, but ideally you want those heavy springs to warm the body up. Two lightest springs can actually affect someone's lower back, if they have a tight lower back, or they're not getting the connection, and the warm up for what's to come. So I do like three to four springs. That being said, what you can do for those people who want to make it a leg press machine, take all the springs off, go down to one light spring and see what happens. They're going to fly off. And you're like, yeah, you actually have to push into the foot bar the whole time, even as you come in. So I love a one spring, because it kind of helps teach the actual movement, and then load the springs up. If you take my fast workshop, I think you can get it on our OPC website. You'll see how I explain how to use especially with arches and heels to do that. The other thing I would say is ask them, if they are opening the front of the hips or opening the back of the knees. What is their intention? Meaning, the, when you focus on opening the knee joint, you're a leg press machine. When you focus on opening the front of the hips, you're making this move from your center. I am looking, I actually don't care people's knees go straight. I'm looking at, can they move their thigh away from their center and open the front of their hips and then pull that back in. So I'm kind of looking at that, but if they don't do those things, the footwork is just really telling me how they're actually moving. And I have to pick other exercises to assist. So other ways to help them understand that's not like press machine would be doing leg springs. Single leg springs, both leg springs, footwork on the Tower is gonna be really helpful, because that's a whole different plane. And so like, find different exercises that get your point across. Ask them what they're feeling and then take them back to the Reformer and say, find that feeling here.Lesley Logan 17:39  Great. Love it. That's the best cue you could do. Lesley Logan 17:50  There you go. Brad Crowell 17:50  I love it. Great question, DMK. Lesley Logan 17:52  Thanks, DMK. Brad Crowell 17:52  If you have a question, just text us. 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534 or you can actually send your question in through, beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 18:07  That's where you can also send your wins in, too. I want your wins, people. Brad Crowell 18:14  We want your wins. Let's do it. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're actually going to talk about Jon Ostenson next. Lesley Logan 18:20  Finally. Brad Crowell 18:22  All right, let's talk about Jon Ostenson. An expert in franchising and based out of Atlanta, Georgia, Jon Ostenson left his W2 job eight years ago, after years in the corporate world, to become president of Shelf Genie, a large franchise system where he says he fell in love with the franchise model, which he explained amazingly and in detail during the interview. So if you didn't get a chance to listen to that, I would, I would very much encourage you to go listen to it. It was super informative. He is, Jon, is now the founder of FranBridge Consulting and author of the bestselling book, Non-Food Franchising, which, Lesley, I know you read, I've seen it on our table out there. Jon helps clients find suitable franchise opportunities from over 600 different brands outside of the fast food industry. His mission is to guide individuals who want to own a business but may feel risk-averse or lack a, quote unquote, genius idea connecting with them with proven scalable franchise model, and here's the, models, and here's the crazy thing, this is where I was like, oh my God, this guy's brilliant, his services to you are free. How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Yeah, pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing. So.Lesley Logan 19:44  I love it. I love it so much because it's, like, it's completely risk-averse for you, like, and the reason I thought this, I really wanted to dig in with this guy, because I don't even understand how you get into a franchise, and. Brad Crowell 19:58  Well, it makes me want to get into franchises. Lesley Logan 20:00  I know. And we just met someone who's like, all he does is all these different franchises and and so I just like it because, like, first of all, we talked a lot about how you could, like, work and have a franchise. Like, it's like, there's like, there's all these different ways you can do it. So, anyways.Brad Crowell 20:16  Yeah, he said a lot of franchisors, the people on the franchise, still might have a day job, because. Lesley Logan 20:21  Yeah. Aren't they a franchisee? Brad Crowell 20:24  Oh, sorry, franchisee. You're, you're right. The franchisor is the parent company. The franchisee is the person who's, who's like, purchase one of the locations or whatever. So the franchisee as if you could still be working your normal life and have a franchise, obviously, then it's about the team that you put in place to make sure that they can run it without you having to be there. But, but this guy was talking about having franchises all over the country, so he's clearly not in them operating them. Lesley Logan 20:51  Yeah. But also. No. And so you can be an owner-operator. He has, he, like, his book has got a lot of this stuff in it, if you want to, like, dig in even more and then chat with him, but like, here's what I. Brad Crowell 20:51  And by the way, we're not just talking about Pilates franchises. Lesley Logan 21:02  No, he is, like, there's so many, there's some out there. And also, like, I personally, I personally don't want to grab someone else's Pilates franchises, because, the way I like to teach, I probably would want to make my own, but maybe I want to get one that's in the like, maybe that's like a red light sauna space or something that goes along with what I do, that's like in the thing that I am interested in, in life, like I'm already. Brad Crowell 21:23  Or salt path, float, float, yeah, floating, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:27  By the way, there is a float place that I'm sure, is a franchise in Nashville that I'm like, how the fuck do we get it out here in our neighborhood? Because I'm tired of driving 30 minutes to go fucking float, I'm pissed off by the time I get back. Anyways, we just need, I don't know, a few thousands of dollars, and then we can do it, babe. I think, here's where our next adventure is. Brad Crowell 21:45  (inaudible) crazy is you said that, like, a lot of people, will start a franchise with maybe, you know, $50,000 to $100,000 down, and the rest of it is actually from a an SBA loan, because the SBA and the banks believe in the franchise model so much that they are willing to effectively front the rest of the startup capital. And I was like, wow, I never thought about that. That's amazing. Because, and like, you know, $50,000 is still a shitload of money. I understand that. But it also isn't a million dollars, right? Lesley Logan 22:18  And also, like, anyone who wants to start to make legitimate money, you have to stop thinking that $50,000 is a lot of money, start thinking it's possible, that you can get it, that there's a way, because I remember thinking that, oh, my God, it's so much money. And let me tell you the long as you think 50,000 is so much money you're gonna have, it's gonna feel so far away when you start to think like, of course I still have to find $50,000 you, go listen to that podcast we have with the guy with the question marks, I forget his name, anyways, go and find it, but let's just talk about things I loved that he said. Okay, let me get into my notes. He said, you're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And I love this, because so many of the people I meet, they're like, so lucky that you and Brad, like, are married and like, you work together. And our biggest response is, like, not everyone should do what we do. So if you want to be in business for yourself, but not by yourself, instead of working with your partner, why don't you get a partner? And it can be a franchise like, I think that's really cool.Brad Crowell 23:09  And different franchisors offer different support, and that's one of the conversations that that you could have with a person like Jon, where you might be like, hey, I am innately a marketer, but I'm terrible at operations, right? Then he, he might say, okay, well, this franchise, you know, whatever, they can help. Or, or conversely, I hate marketing. I'm really, that's not my jam. I need a franchise that will create the content for me that I can just use to put out there. So they're different, like, corporate offices will do different things for the business to support the franchisee and but, but, but as a as a layman, how am I supposed to know? But Jon gets to see hundreds of franchises. Lesley Logan 23:53  I think that's what's so cool. Is like, if you know your strengths, then you can talk to Jon and figure out, like, what are the different franchises that I'm interested in that are, like, in an area I want to be in, and then, okay, of those, which one matches my strengths and my weaknesses? Because you don't want to have something that's like, great at marketing and you're great at marketing, but like, has the systems are not there for the operations, like things like that, but also the franchiser does a lot for you. And remember, it's a proven business model, so like, it's already figured like, it's already thrown ideas at the wall, figured out what works, and then you just get to rinse and repeat that. And I really, I really like that for people who want to create their own schedule, create their own impact, be part of the community, but are risk-averse, you know? And by the way, I get it, we just.Lesley Logan 24:39  I'm risk-averse, too. Lesley Logan 24:39  Oh my god, you really are. Brad Crowell 24:41  But in a measurable way. But it's like, I wouldn't want to go, just go throw money away and hope, hope that something works. Imagine being able to follow a systematic approach where they figured out all the kinks in the business. Like, like the business that Lesley and I run that we've created, it has taken us a lot longer to get to where we are today. It's literally 10 years now, 10 years of running this business, yeah, 10 years of trying to figure things out, making mistakes, doing all this stuff, when with a franchise model, there are so many less mistakes to make, because hypothetically, they've already made the mistakes for you and figured it out and put together the playbook that you can simply follow the plan, the process, right? I really loved when he talked about business ownership is really hard. It takes a lot of work. And, yeah, that's that's very true, too. And he said, if it was easy, everyone would be a business owner, and what he what so, so, of all the pros that we've been talking about with a franchise model, it still does take a lot of work, and it's it takes focus and and the biggest thing he mentioned was the people who fail don't follow the plan, right? And Jon goes, calls up the franchise corporate office and goes, yo, what happened here? What's going on? And the franchisor said, you know, would say to Jon, well, look, we did everything we could to support this person, but they didn't listen. They just didn't fucking listen, you know. And that doesn't mean that, like, there won't still be challenges, because every single location is different, every market is different, every opportunity. And what I mean that, I mean different franchise model is different, you know. So it still will take work, but you don't have to do it alone, you know. And that that's amazing, you know. So, so anyway, he doesn't sugarcoat franchises but he said it's a lot easier and a lot more predictable. Lesley Logan 26:40  His book, actually, like, talks about, like, like, kind of like, if it's for you, you know, and this is where like, it, for us to follow the rules, right, with you, you have to know, okay, we're gonna do this thing with this company. We're gonna follow their rules, which means I'm gonna hire someone to go follow their rules, because I am unemployable, so I will probably fuck him up, but you have to know that about yourself, you know. Such a cool dude. He also was like, because I told him I have an idea, I still have an idea that I might want to, like happen and make, and franchise and he's like, just give me a call. Run it by me. And I'm like, amazing. I just love how generous people can be. Brad Crowell 27:18  Yeah, yeah. Well, stick around, we're going to talk about how generous Jon is with his Be It Action Items, in just a minute. Brad Crowell 27:25  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jon Ostenson? He said he really encourages people who are interested in franchising or the concept of franchising, to just simply explore, that there's no downside, there's no cost to learn about how it works, what it is, is it even plausible for me? Is this something that I could do while still doing my life? He said it's super free to work with them, which we already talked about at the very beginning of this convo here. FranBridge consulting, his company helps clients navigate and find top available opportunities among over 600 different non-food franchise brands and. Lesley Logan 28:08  We love that. I do not want to deal with food. Brad Crowell 28:10  Well, he's he's not, he's not opposed to food, but it also, apparently, just adds a whole lot more variables in there. Lesley Logan 28:16  I used to work at a coffee shop, and it was small business-owned, and I'm going to tell you right now, it is,.Brad Crowell 28:21  Well, that's different than a franchise, because a franchise is a system, so small business-owned might make things just complicated because they're making shit up.Lesley Logan 28:28  Food, food, there's, like, the things you have to do to prevent rats.Brad Crowell 28:32  Right, there's just a lot more variables when it comes to food. There's also a lot of more licensing and a lot more, like red tape with like, local state government stuff, you know. So anyway, he explained that what I already mentioned is that, how does he get paid? He gets paid by the franchise business, the corporate, right? He, you're not necessarily paying him directly. So, I mean, it seems like an absolute win-win.Lesley Logan 28:57  Just worth having the conversation like there's no, there's no harm in it, you know. Brad Crowell 29:00  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 29:01  So I love that he said, activity breeds activity. Yes. It's like a body in motion, stays in motion. Yesterday, we just got into town, you know, at midnight on Friday night. I guess it's Saturday morning. Anyways, our friend, my she saw me at the gym, and she's like, you're like, the most consistent creature. And I'm like, I don't if I was to not be consistent, like, like, if I used travel as an excuse, I would never be consistent. So activity breeds activity. A body motion stays in motion. Explain, it's the idea he saw play out in his career and life, that whenever he gets off the sidelines he starts moving to Option A or B. That's that, then that's when option C comes out of left field. He says, good things happen when you're in motion. And it's so true. Like, it's so true. You know, even we got sidelined with the fucking Canada thing, we pivoted and kept going. And, like, because we did that, other things happened, that the dominoes kept going. And like, these other opportunities came around. And I think, like. Brad Crowell 29:53  Yeah, we met a whole studio we never would have met. Lesley Logan 29:55  We totally did. Could be a pop-up someday. But at any rate, like, you know, you, you'd be surprised what happens. Too often, we get we get sidelined, and we're like, I'm gonna sit over here. Keep going, take another step. And if you hear, as you hear in the podcast, it says action is the antidote to fear. So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:17  Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We love your reviews. Leave us more reviews. I want more reviews. It's my love language. 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Lesley Logan sits down with Jon Ostenson, author of Non-Food Franchising and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, to explore why franchising—especially beyond the food industry—is one of the most underutilized yet powerful paths to entrepreneurship. Jon shares how franchising gives you proven systems, built-in marketing, and a peer network, while also revealing what green flags (and red flags) to look for when evaluating opportunities. You'll walk away seeing franchising in a whole new light—with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why franchising can be a faster, safer path to business ownership.The surprising industries thriving in non-food franchising.How semi-passive franchise models allow people to day jobs while building a business.The real numbers behind startup costs, royalties, and profit potential.Green flags and red flags to watch when evaluating franchise opportunities.Episode References/Links:FranBridge Consulting - https://franbridgeconsulting.com/Jon Ostenson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/Jon Ostenson on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JonOstenson1/Jon Ostenson on Twitter - https://twitter.com/Jon_OstensonJon Ostenson on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@JonOstensonFBCBook: Non-Food Franchising by Jon Ostenson - https://a.co/d/29XayrQGuest Bio:Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, which ranked 584th on the Inc. 5000 list as one of the fastest-growing companies in America. A former corporate executive and past President of ShelfGenie, Jon has sat on all sides of the franchising table—as franchisor, multi-brand franchisee, and now trusted advisor. Widely recognized as a leading voice in non-food franchising, he has helped thousands of entrepreneurs and investors explore opportunities across industries such as home services, wellness, senior care, and pet care. Jon is also the bestselling author of Non-Food Franchising, a practical guide for building wealth and business ownership without starting from scratch. Through FranBridge, he connects clients with over 600 vetted franchise brands and provides strategic, hands-on support at no cost to the client—helping them step confidently into semi-passive investments or full-time business ownership. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial that want to put their thumbprints all over a business. And you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership.Lesley Logan 0:15  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. I have a topic we have never touched. I'm so jazzed about this, I actually found it really, really fascinating. And this year is like my year of being curious and understanding more and more about businesses as our business continues to grow. And so when I met Jon Ostenson, I have so much more knowledge, so much more understanding, so much more excitement and inspiration. And I really wanted to bring this to you, because I know how many of you are like, wanting to make other income, wanting to make more income, one of the questions I get all the time is like, how do I make passive income? How do I have another income stream? I know that managing your money in stocks can be overwhelming, and so I wanted to bring a whole topic to you that I think could be really, really fascinating. So Jon Ostenson is the author of Non-Food Franchising. His company is FranBridge Consulting and so we're gonna talk about franchises. And if you're like, oh, this could be so boring, I promise you, it's anything but boring. It's quite fascinating. Even if you never go into this, you'll actually like, look at franchises and different businesses in a whole different light. And I found it to be really eye opening. And I feel like a lot of my friends should be doing this, and I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll create a portfolio and do this too, but I now have so much more understanding, and I'm really excited for you to have that, because to be it till you see it in anything, the first thing we need is have answers and understanding and also some curiosity in a topic we might not have known anything about. So if you've been wanting to start a business, maybe instead of starting something new, you actually want to franchise and so here is Jon Ostenson. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited. I've read the book by our guest today, and this is a really interesting topic we have never talked about, and I've always been slightly interested in, and now I'm even more intrigued. So Jon Ostenson is our guest today. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at that's so unique, so niche and so wonderfully that we need to talk about it? Jon Ostenson 2:40  Yeah, absolutely, no. Jon Ostenson, here in Atlanta, Georgia, I've got three young kids I chase around on a daily basis, but you know, I spend most of my time helping my clients find the right businesses for them. And so, you know, we work with over 600 different franchise brands, and what I call Non-Food Franchising. So it's all these industries outside of fast food that incorporate franchising. And yeah, it's entirely free to work with us, and I get to help our clients navigate, what are the top opportunities given their background, their interest, what they're looking to do? What are those top available opportunities in their market that can be a fit for them?Lesley Logan 3:11  I so I really, this is, like, really interesting, because first of all, of course, growing up, I only knew like, food franchisers, and I'm just not into cleaning a kitchen. So, like, that was, you know, different. And then also, like, in my industry, there are now, like, franchises in in the Pilates world, but there's always been franchises in the fitness world. And I guess, like, I guess where we could start is, like, wait, why would someone do a franchise versus, like, start their own non-food business, you know, like, what, what would be like, the things that they're thinking about? Because one of the reasons I want to have you on is, we have had a lot of coaches who are entrepreneurial. And I also think, like, not everyone is an entrepreneur, but also I don't want to, like, tell people that, like, I think they need to figure that out for themselves. So why would someone franchise versus start something themselves?Jon Ostenson 3:59  Yeah, great question. And you know, franchising is not right for everyone. I think there's some people that, to your point, are too entrepreneurial, that want to put their thumbprints all over a business, and you know, it may not be a good fit for them. However, for the vast majority, it's my humble belief that franchising represents a better path to business ownership. You know, you've got a lot of things already in place. You've got a proven business model that's been successful in other markets. You've got a coach on the sidelines in that franchisor that's supporting you and their team. You've got other franchisees that are living the same thing day in, day out, in their markets. You're constantly exchanging best practices. You're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And, you know, being able to step into a business where on day one, the marketing is pretty close to optimized because they know how to run, you know, and the franchisor is doing a lot of that for you. You've got efficiencies and supply chain, and there's just a lot of opportunity that franchising opens up. And what I tell our clients is, hey, you may double down and triple down on franchises and build a whole empire of franchises. A lot of our clients do, or you may decide, hey, after franchising, let's go start my own business. I guarantee you that next business is going to be better for having had that franchise experience and understanding, how do you stand up a business, what are the best practices in the processes that go around it? Lesley Logan 5:09  Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's really cool, because I remember, you know, when I wanted to, first of all, when I became a Pilates instructor, I never thought I'd own a studio, because I worked at a I rented from a studio, and I saw how much stress she was under, and then I worked for a company, high end fitness business, and I got to run a studio for them. And I was like, oh, this is so nice, just to have everyone tell me the budgets, and tell me how much people are getting paid and and do all the do all the math, and then I can just do the thing that I really love. And so in a way, that's kind of like what you're saying, like a franchise is a proven like, it's a business that's already been in existence. It's proven, like, who they're for, what they do, how they market. And so you get to kind of hit the ground already running, in some ways, am I right?Jon Ostenson 5:53  Yeah, you start on third base instead of first. You're not having to test everything now, in exchange, you're paying a royalty back to the franchise or right? And franchising is just like everything. Not every company is created the same. Every industry has got good players. You've got ones that aren't as strong. That's where we come in to help our clients really identify the companies that are providing the most value, that can get them to where they want to be.Lesley Logan 6:13  Yeah. So I guess, then I guess maybe I should have started with, what is a franchise. Maybe I should have started there. And then also, if you can talk about, like, do, do companies that are franchises, they have already been in business before they're selling off businesses, or they they start out that way, like, do you get it on the ground level? Jon Ostenson 6:34  Yeah, well, hopefully they've already proven out the model, at least in one location, if not in multiple locations, you know. And they're well capitalized, they've got a team to support franchisees, but no franchising at its roots, you know, it's really three things. That's, it's a shared brand, we all know that. But then it's, you know, that there's a system, and there's guidance, and there's value being provided from a home office to that franchisee, to that location. The franchisees give me some sort of payment back in the form of a royalty, typically, to that franchisor. So it's really those three things. So there are companies out there that are probably operating as franchises that may not have franchise, but technically, that's what a franchise is. And again, when I say the F word franchise, people think fast food. I mean, that's what comes to mind. But there's so many different industries out there outside of food, and I've got nothing against the food guys. We need them. We support them. But again, there are easier ways to make money that may require less employees, less operating hours, that may carry higher margins because you don't have the food waste, they may be less susceptible to consumer whims. I always say that frozen yogurt was big until it wasn't. Most of our clients are liking opportunities that aren't trendy. They're not going out of style, and they'll always be mainstream.Lesley Logan 7:46  Yeah. Can we talk about like, what are like some of the, what are some of the non-food franchise like, either if you want to name names, or if you want to name like areas of business? Because maybe it would help people to hear like, there, there's actually franchises in an industry they already have experience in. Jon Ostenson 8:01  Yeah, you know. And I'd say 90% of our clients get into something in an industry they don't have experience in. And that's the beauty of franchising, is it allows for those pivots, but you take the transferable skill set. So yeah, examples there, we're seeing a lot of interest, I'd say in the general theme, it's businesses that will do well regardless of the economy, regardless of tariffs, regardless of, you know, other exterior factors. And so it's things that people will always spend money on. So home and property services are a huge area. Health and wellness. McKinsey just came out with a study saying it's now a $480 billion a year industry in the US, growing at 10% so health, you know, wellness, is now mainstream, which I know you would agree with it's categories like kids, pets, seniors again, things that people will always spend money on regardless. And you know, within these there's so many different niches. I mean, I can just, you know, I'm thinking of in-home senior care. We have a lot of clients doing that, but then I've had clients that have been placed there that came back said hey Jon, what's a tangential opportunity that can tag onto this, and I introduced them to one that provides wheelchair ramps and stair lifts and retrofitting within a home, allowing people to age in place. Youth soccer, I've had so many clients do well in youth soccer, tutoring, kids-related, pets, everything from pet grooming to pet boarding to dog training, you know, but. Lesley Logan 9:19  That's crazy, because I would never have thought those things. And also, like, I because we travel around the world. We were talking about that before we hit record, I find myself, like, like, in shock. Sometimes I see a business and I'm like, like, how much did they need to get started? You know? Because, like, what I love about like, like, one of the things that kept me from starting my own studio is, like, just the barrier of entry. I didn't know how to read a lease, I didn't know what kind of insurance I needed to have outside of what the insurance I had as a renter. I didn't know that. And then I had to, like, buy all the equipment, and then it's like, oh, like, literally, my clients came the first like, where's the trash can? I was like, oh, yeah, we need a trash can. Like, you know, you know, right? Like, I was like, I was like, flying by the seat of my pants. But like, what you're saying is, like, I, if I was like, I need a change in my life, or I actually just want to have something that's working alongside what I'm already doing, I can go into another industry, and then they already have the blueprint. So, like, I already know how much it's going to cost me to go all in. I know how much it's going to cost me to run it, and I also have an idea, in theory, at least as I learned this from your book of, like, what I could make off of this investment, which is a little different than stock market, like you think. I mean, we all hope it's going up right now, we're riding a different wave. But, like, but like, you know, so am I right when I say, like, there's like, a nice blueprint there that kind of allows you to know more about what you don't know? Jon Ostenson 10:43  Absolutely. No, you go in and you know, nothing's ever a sure thing, right? I never want to pretend like it is. Business ownership is hard. It takes work. If it was easy, everybody would be a business owner. But franchising does make it a lot easier and a lot more predictable, right? I mean, that's why banks love providing SBA loans to franchises over startups, right? It's just more predictable, and the success rates are obviously a lot higher all the data shows, you know, but I'd say, going in, you know, there's a whole exploration process, and that's where we take our clients through, hold their hand as they're having these conversations with their franchises. You know, learning a lot, asking good questions. They, they get a chance to talk to other franchisees in that system before they ever buy. You know, they get kind of the inside knowledge. They get a franchise disclosure document, which is the history of the franchise and all the information. And to your point, the financials on the all in investment. And you know, there's going to be some variability in there, but it outlines that, and then talks about the historical financial results, what you could expect to make if you execute according to plan. And so you know, you can make disproportionate returns on your investment. Again, because you're, you're putting effort in, right? If it was just thrown in an index fund, you know, you're not going to be able to make, you're going to be capped at what you can make. However, with this, you also get the tax benefit. So it's really a, I call it the trifecta. You're, you're building towards cash returns. You're obviously building an asset that's going to have exit value down the road, and in all likelihood, you'll sell to another franchisee in the system. That's very common. And then third, you get the tax benefits of business ownership. And if you have a W2 job or spouse with a W2 I mean, this could be a great offset. I mean, there's so many levers that the government set up the tax playbook to incentivize business ownership.Lesley Logan 12:19  Yeah, well, one of the reasons why we love being a business owner, I definitely enjoy those. I want to, like, just kind of tap into something, because you talked about, like, being a W2. So realistically, how many people do you know, like, have a job and then have a franchise that's successful? Like, are they overworking? Are they 120-hour work week kind of person? Or, like, is that a normal thing that people can do?Jon Ostenson 12:43  Roughly half of our clients start out with a manager in place. It's what franchising would call semi passive or semi absentee or executive model. I always want to say hey, stop. You know, let's not sugarcoat this. It takes work to stand up a business. You know. I don't want to ever pretend like it doesn't so, you know, it is very doable within a franchise system, because you've got a franchisor and their team supporting that manager that you put in place on a day to day basis, they can answer a lot of the questions and kind of hold their hand. So it takes some of the burden off of you. So much of it your ramp up time and success comes down to who you put in that place. You can have a great vehicle, you still have to have a great driver, so someone that has fire in the belly that you incentivize. You know that's a hard worker. They can make your life very easy, but if it's not the right person, you can find yourself with some headaches and leaning in. So I'd say that is the biggest variable that I see. But I've got so many success stories of clients that have gone that path. I should always want to make sure that they go in eyes wide open, that in the early going especially, it will take work.Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really important. Okay, let's just take, take a step back, Jon, how did you get into doing this? Like, did you, did you always know, like, you would be in franchises? Like, did you fall into franchises? Like, tell us the journey that got you here. Jon Ostenson 13:56  Yeah. You know, like so many of your listeners, I spent many years in the corporate world, and you went to grad school and did all the things you're supposed to do as a W2 and had a great run. But, you know, had that desire, like so many, to be a business owner and to do something more entrepreneurial, and didn't know what it what it looked like. And I really fell into franchising. So about eight years ago, I left the corporate world, assumed the reins of a business called Shelf Genie, which is a large franchise system. I served as their president, supporting our home office and all of our franchisees, and I really fell in love with the franchise model through that experience. And I just saw how so many different backgrounds got involved in a shared system because of the support that we were providing. So long story short, I partnered with the founder of that company. We spun off. We've invested in franchises ourselves. I've continued to invest in franchises on my on my own outside of that, so I've been a franchisor. I am a multi brand franchisee as well, and started the consulting practice about little over six years ago, and now I give it most of my full time focus, and just love helping others connect the dots, because I just hear the same conversations every day. So many people, oftentimes midlife, they're saying gosh, you know, I've looked around. And they all know some business owners, and they see them out playing golf or, you know, going to their kids activities. And they say, there's a little bit of FOMO, right? And, but they say, I don't have that genius idea. I'm a little risk averse. I don't know where to start. That's where I come in and say hey, look at all these other people that have done done this through franchising with similar backgrounds, and here's why it worked for them. So absolutely love helping them. I personally, on the franchisee front, this just shows a little bit of the variety out there. I kind of like home and property services personally. So I've got one business that works on parking lots. It provides asphalt paving and line striping, you know, non sexy need based industry, right? I've got another one, is almost like an equipment rental business. It provides temporary walls like containment walls around renovation projects and construction sites. It's a great B2B business. I've got one that this is kind of more in the health and wellness genre. It's uses 3D printing to provide custom inserts and insoles for shoes, right? It talked about a niche, right? But we cater a little bit to the older population. So I've got it down in Delray, Florida, which is a great market. I've got another one where I'm on the franchisor side, I'm invested that provides custom pull out shelving for your kitchens and pantries and stay at home moms are great for that business. They're great designers. They can work when they want to and go in and be very conversational, and it's just cool that, you know, we're creating a lot of jobs out there and helping a lot of communities.Lesley Logan 16:28  Okay, that is so all of those things, I would not have thought that, like, those are franchises. I guess I just thought, like, some guy in Las Vegas, like, start a business, like, putting fences, you know, and then it's like, but then I do see like, oh, it's a company. And then you're like, how, like, how, who got into, like, having a business in every city that has, like, fences. But now that I'm like, you know, now that the wall been pulled over my eyes, I can under, away from my eyes, I can see like, oh, these are companies that got started, and then they had success, and then they basically created a blueprint that they could sell to other people, and then that's how they spread their wings, because they've got good systems in place. And then people like you, or people like listening are like, Oh, I could do that. I actually, like, I have the funds for that. I like that area, or, you know, I can have the time for that. I just wouldn't have thought that those are those. There's things out there. And I was reading your book, one of the things that we all have to realize is, like, there's a massive population of people who are getting older, and there is not enough like services for them, and so like to be able to get into a franchise that is like servicing those people that they for a necessity they need. It's kind of nice, I guess. I have a question, how much of what you have to do as a franchisee, as far as the marketing goes, like, are you curating the marketing? Does the franchise or that's the parent company, right, like the owner, do they come up with a marketing strategy and you just, like, put it out there. Like, I guess I'm wondering, like, how much of it do you be creative? Because I have a lot of people like, I want to do this, but I hate social media, or I hate writing a newsletter, or I hate doing the the money and the taxes, like, how much does the actual franchisor do for you? Jon Ostenson 18:06  Yeah, it certainly varies, but I'd say in most cases, the franchisor leans in pretty heavy on the marketing side, and that's one of the value adds they're bringing. So they're creating collateral and brand standards and customizing things for you for your location. But you know, typically they have an in house marketing team. They may partner with an outside digital marketing firm that's running all your Google ads and social media ads and such. Oftentimes, they encourage you to get involved on the organic side of social media. So it's, hey, I've got a home show coming up. Hey, look at this great job. We just got a five star review. But again, if you need help with that, most of them are able to lean in pretty heavy, because I do have a lot of clients like you said that they hey, I don't want anything to do with marketing or lead generation. And I, you know, in some cases you have franchises that have national accounts. I mean, that's a great lead generator. In some cases, they have an in house call center that's actually sometimes making outbound calls, or, at a minimum, taking inbound calls, setting appointments for you. So, you know, as you go through the expiration process, you want to say, what, what value is that franchisor providing for the royalty that I'm giving them? And, you know, make sure that there's tangible things that they're doing for you, oftentimes on the marketing side as an example.Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, okay, you talked about royalties, I guess, for the person who doesn't understand what that means. What is that? And then what are we what can someone expect on like, maybe not like the best end, but like an average, an average earnings.Jon Ostenson 19:26  Yeah, so I'd say six to 8% royalty typically is common in revenue, and when you look at financial projections of a franchise system, they're always going to net out for that royalty, right? I mean, that's part of the business model. But again, those are oftentimes expenses that you would be paying on your own elsewhere. From an earnings standpoint, well, first off, from an investment standpoint, I mean, we have some clients who are getting into big seven figure deals, but most people like when you look at service-based businesses and you're all in investment, your franchise fee, startup costs, several months of working capital, oftentimes you're in the 150,000 to 300,000 range, all in. And some of our clients are using cash, most like the idea of using an SBA loan, where maybe they put in 50,000 cash and then they use an SBA loan for the balance. Some are using an old 401-K from a previous employer, and rolling that over, which is very doable through what's called the ROBS program. So we help them with all of that. But from an earnings standpoint, it definitely varies. You always want people to take a conservative approach. There are businesses that will start cash flowing as early as three months in. Oftentimes, what you see is maybe six months, six to 12 months, somewhere in that range. Again, we always want to be conservative, but no you can make disproportionate returns. So let's say your all in investment was 200,000 from their businesses out there, where you can conceivably do a million dollars for first year. I mean, there are a good number of those. And oftentimes you're kicking off 15 to 20% to the bottom line. So call it 150 to the bottom line. And you may not get that in year one, but that may be your run rate at the end of year one. So 150 on an investment of 200,000 that's 75%, and then you're doing, you're doing that every year, and you're going to sell that business down the road. So again, but you're putting effort in, right? Lesley Logan 21:01  Right, well, well, and it's like, like, I'm just, like, just forever. I, when I opened up my studio, which was a small studio, I, no, my bank did not give me a loan. I've been in business for so many years, like, look, I make, I make over six figures, and I just want, like, a $40,000 loan. And they like, laughed in my face, so I used a credit card. But it was, the investment was like, $40,000 in equipment, all I had to do, and then obviously my rent and everything. And of course, yes, I, because it was on a credit card, I paid that shit off. But, but like you do only have to, ideally, only buy that equipment one time, right? So there's that. But to to your point, like the money that or time I had to spend on marketing my business, on coming up with the marketing, on testing it out, on doing all that stuff, on also collaborating, also doing the organic, also all that stuff, it starts to go sometimes you're like, it would be nice if someone could take this off. And even if you're like, oh, let's all just hire an agency. Y'all, I have talked to marketing agencies. They are not just 6% like some like, you know, when you think about, like, the marketing agency and the account and the organization and the hiring practices and the onboarding, all that stuff costs money, and so sometimes it's kind of like, it's almost like it's 50% it's 50 one way, 50% one way, half it does another. It's kind of like, if you really want to make your own thing and be your own thing, then go do your own thing, and you'll have all the same expenses. But I can't believe, and I don't know, I can't believe it that an SBA loan would be easier to get if you're in a franchise. But it makes sense, because there's a proven track record from all the other businesses, and the SBA is like, oh, this is like, very risk free. It took us a pandemic to get an SBA loan because they were just giving them away. And then recently, a lovely bank helped us get an SBA loan. But, like, it's not easy when you work for yourself and a non proven kind of a thing to get loans. So it sounds really cool that that would be an option for people. Jon Ostenson 22:51  Yeah, and probably two thirds of our clients use them. We really don't have issues getting them. As long as you have semi decent credit, then you know, they have that confidence in the franchise.Lesley Logan 23:00  That's so cool. That is really cool. Okay, so I guess you know there's, there's probably people going, oh my gosh. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not confident as a business owner. Do you have to have, like, would you suggest, like, you have to have some sort of management experience, or do you have people who, like, do the franchisers like, support you in leading a team and how to lead the business that you're doing. Or, like, are you having to figure that yourself? Jon Ostenson 23:26  Yeah, there are some franchises where you really don't have to have a team. You know, you can be kind of a solopreneur in a way, or maybe have an assistant. Most of them do involve people. And people always ask me, what, what does it take to be successful in franchising? And really, it's two things. It's one, you're good with people. You don't have to be great, but you have to be someone that people want to work with, work for work. So that's just Business 101, and then secondly, your willingness to follow a system, where I see people get in trouble in franchising is that they come in and they think they're the smartest guy in the room, and they don't have the humility to actually learn from others and to follow a system, even if they have questions. When I was at Shelf Genie, our best franchisees were the ones that followed the system the closest. That sounds so cliche, but it's true. Lesley Logan 24:04  I mean, just being in business myself for 15 years, like, how, like, there are some days I'm like, I just wish there was a fucking blueprint that I could just wake up, follow, like, there's days and I'm like, so I can't imagine, like, not only take advantage of that, but I guess, like, maybe that would be the person who wouldn't be right for franchising, and maybe they shouldn't have gotten into it in the first place.Jon Ostenson 24:29  Yeah, no, I've seen clients do very well within a franchise system, and then, you know, I had a client that didn't do well in it, and the feedback from the franchisor was said, what's going on? Why is it working for them and not for them. You said, we've coached them, we've done everything we can, but they're not willing to follow the system. (inaudible) But certainly, if you have any business experience that you know, those transferable skill sets definitely help and maybe give you a leg up. But I've got plenty of clients, you know, doctors or a big client, mainly clientele of ours, most of them don't have business experience. They may be really, they're like, smart and smarter than their little niche but they don't have that business experience. They love the idea of, they know how to learn, and they're willing to learn, and they're willing to follow the playbook the textbook. Instead, they come in and they say, Hey, we want to flex that intellectual muscle. And most of them are keeping the day job. You know, they've invested too much to walk away from that. But they put a manager in place, and they go out and run a restoration business, or a mobile pet grooming business, something that allows them to flex that intellectual curiosity a little bit.Lesley Logan 25:29  That is so cool. I just think it's so cool, like I was, I never thought about, I'll be really nice, I actually never thought about owning a franchise. I have been wondering and been very curious of like, what if I wanted to open up something that I made into a franchise like that has been on my mind a lot lately, but the more I read your book, the more I'm like, what a cool investment strategy. Like, you know, just to diversify how you're investing for retirement and wealth, and, like, generational wealth. I don't have any kids, but like, it would be cool to have have have another way of having an income stream or or a way of growing wealth without having to, not that it's not work, but also just not rely solely on, like, what my wealth manager is doing with my stocks.Jon Ostenson 26:13  Oh, because so many of our clients do have kids or family members that they plan on bringing in on the business over time and kind of setting an example for them to learn from as well, and of taking a risk, if you will, a calculated risk. But now from an investment standpoint, I'm an all of the above investor. I invest in real estate and energy and the public markets and private credit. I encourage people to do all that. I just think the business ownership can have a unique place in that portfolio, and there's a whole lot of tax benefits and other synergies to come from that. So I'm not against any of those other investments. I just think it's an all of the above approach. And a lot of our clients invest in real estate too, some more actively than others, but there's a lot of synergy between those two, I think, from a mindset standpoint, from a tax advantage standpoint, and then directly from an industry standpoint, a lot of these businesses support real estate.Lesley Logan 27:00  What are some, like, green flags about a franchise, or some red flags, like, what are some things that we would like? You'd be like, oh, this looks really this looks really good. I think a client would do really well with this. And then what are some like, ooh, maybe, maybe watch this one, or don't, don't sign up for that.Jon Ostenson 27:16  You know, certain the brand is more important in certain industries. I mean, certainly, food, hotels, things like that. You know, but in a lot of industries, I think about insulation, that's a $50 billion a year industry, no one can name an installation company, right? And so that's less important. But still, some of these industries, you know, if it's a household name brand, then it's probably sold out in all the good areas of your market, right? And so oftentimes, we find ourselves working with more emerging franchises. You know, they may have five locations, 25 locations, 50 locations. Yes, they haven't been around forever, but they're growing fast. And really, the what I look for there, it's the competitive advantages, it's the financial models got to be very robust, because you have a smaller sample size to look at. You've, you know, the early franchisees have to be saying positive things about their experience. But then a lot of emphasis I put on those companies is the leadership team. I want to see a good blend of industry experience, but also franchise experience represented on that team that's essentially going to be your business partner. So I would say that the people involved on the other end, I can't underestimate that enough. That's something I emphasize with our clients. Let's vet them. Those are the ones that you want to have a good relationship with that are going to be supporting you day in, day out. You know. I would also say, you know, make sure that, if it's an early stage franchise, make sure it's well capitalized. You know, they've got plenty of assets in the bank. I have seen companies, at times, rush into franchising thinking it was their gold mine and they needed to have a pot of gold going in, because it's expensive to franchise, but no, private equity loves franchising, you know, they they invest strategically at the franchisor level very oftentimes, just they love the model and kind of these industries that they play in. There's a lot of smart money getting involved. But I always encourage people, you know, and that's why we set up our exploration process the way we did. And, you know, I'm essentially a real estate broker buffer franchises, and so I help our clients understand what's going on behind the scenes, how to think about this, the questions to ask, provide them with a lot of resources, and then we simply get a referral fee from the franchise brand on the back end when a placement happens, like a real estate model, you've got the seller, and none of that's passed on (inaudible).Lesley Logan 29:17  So that's why you're free. Because, like, I couldn't believe it. I was reading the book, and I was like, because to me, you know, one of the one of the big hurdles for a lot of people is like hiring a coach to help them make the best decisions. You have to have the money for that and hope that it works, but to work with you, you know, it's just free for for the person wanting to work with you. So like, you get paid because the franchise company pays you like a real estate so, got it. Jon Ostenson 29:40  For them, it's a sales and marketing expense. None of that's passed on to our clients at all. So you know, whether they go directly to a brand or go through us, they're paying the same franchise fee. So it's a nice, it's really a great model, and, yeah, we're able to help a lot of people through it. Lesley Logan 29:58  That is so cool. Yeah. I mean, so you did this six years ago. Okay, so you started right before everything shut down. Like, can we just go back? Was it, what was the be it till you see it, or what would, like, the things you had to do? Because, like, my goodness, during that time, a lot of franchises could be open. A lot of franchises had, like, limitations. Did you worry that, like, this was going to all, like, be affected negatively. Like, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Tell me about it. Jon Ostenson 30:25  Yeah, you know, just like everything, we're all questioning what's going on there for a few weeks, but then as soon as the dust settled, I mean, the franchise deals started happening again, and people started jumping back in. They said, I want something that I can be in control of, and I really don't want to go back to the office. I really, you know, a lot of people took time to think about what they wanted to be until they saw, you know, and they said, you know, that's the time a lot of introspection, which led to a lot of people saying, maybe now's the time. If I don't jump now, when am I ever going to do it? So, you know, there's a lag effect. Some of those late adopters I'm still having calls with now. They're like, I've been thinking about this for years, and most of them are realizing there's never a perfect time to jump into business ownership. But, you know, good number of them realize, hey, now's as good of a time as ever, as ever. And yeah, for me, you know, I love what I do. I've had teams in the past of, you know, 50 employees, and you know, I can do that, but that's not what I love doing. What I love doing is working with clients. I love strategy. I love seeing business models being out there at the tip of the spear, and so I've really structured my business now. I had that vision early on that, hey, I'm going to play to my strengths and how I want to spend my time, and that's what I've built. So yeah, love our model and how I get to help people and engage with clients all day.Lesley Logan 31:35  Yeah, so in that because, like, we talked to a lot of people get really passionate. And I think what, especially when I work with studio owners, like, sometimes their passion becomes like a prison because they like, stop taking care of themselves to like, do their passion like, how do you prioritize yourself so that you can have the mindset and the wherewithal to help the people that you like to help?Jon Ostenson 31:54  Yeah, I'm probably one of the more intentional people that you'll meet in that regard. You know, I think through things in the area of five domains, you know, faith, family and relationships, but then also finances, fitness and franchising. So my 5F framework, if you will, you know, but I'm constantly evaluating and balancing, you know, how my day is spent in each of those so, you know, work out on the fitness side. You know, the trainer a couple times a week, and got my infrared sauna and cold plunge and red light and all that here in the office. And, you know, coach my kids teams, you know, teach their Sunday school. You know, try to balance everything and very blessed, very thankful for what I get to do, and that allows me to do the other things I want to do. And I will say I'm the hardest boss I've ever had. You know, business ownership isn't easy. I work myself hard, but there's so much flexibility, and I'm just thankful. I pinch myself every day having had a W2 job for many years, I could, can never imagine doing that again.Lesley Logan 32:48  Yeah, I understand that. Okay, this is a really, like personal story we had. Our health insurance company is contracted with another company. Maybe it's a franchise that, like, comes to your house to, like, do, like, your physical, which is, like, just the meetup, just the heart, the lungs, just the blood pressure, and then, like, talk to you about, like, what doctors you want to see this year. And the whole time I was like, this feels like a scam. Are you casing the joint? Like, what are? What are? I'm like, I feel like this, this is too good to be true. And then they left and my husband are just like, let's just pretend it's not a scam. How lucky are we that we could set aside the time in the middle of a workday at our home to, like, take care of our health, and then, like, go back to doing the things we love everyday. Working for yourself is, like, the hardest thing, even if you work for yourself, for your own franchise, like they're running a business is, you know, there's only so many days where there's not an obstacle. You're like, what the fuck just happened there? But when you are realizing it's all part of the plan that you set out, like when you actually got what you wanted, it is worth pinching yourself. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And I also we second y'all red lights, cold plunges like, work out, move your body. It makes running your business, whatever that is, so much easier.Jon Ostenson 34:07  Absolutely, absolutely, no, fully agree. Lesley Logan 34:09  What are you most excited about right now? And like, it can be like in the franchise world, or it can be in like, in your business. Like, what are you most excited about right now? Jon Ostenson 34:16  Yeah, you know, I I practice what I preach, and I love just trying new things and then bringing them to my clients. So for me, I've got my consulting practice, and then I've got all these franchises and other investments in a holding company, and I'm just, this is the nerd side of me. I'm just realizing all these different tax plays and alternative investments and how they can work together, and I'm bringing in the best of the best advisors, and, you know, really trying to level up. That was my theme last year, was level up. I'm like, am I with the best bank out there? Am I with the best concierge doctor? Am I with the best financial advisor? I identified 25 different areas, and this took time by one by one, leveled up in each of those. And said, if I'm not working with best in class, why not? And so I'm just thinking through that lens, and I think it's helping our clients to just kind of say, you know, let's get off the sidelines. Let's just forget the status quo. Like, how do we level up and get better? And you know, whether it be personally or those that we work with in every area.Lesley Logan 35:11  That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. Because I, I think it's really easy to just keep doing the same thing, and you're like, well, this works and this works. And like, going back to that the bank that gave us SBA loan, I told my husband, I was like, well, why aren't we working with that bank? Like, why is that is not our bank? Because our bank certainly didn't help us. So why are we not with that bank? And it was like, one tiny thing, and I'm like, can we figure out a way around that one time? This seems so stupid. I want to work with a bank that's going to give me money whenever I want it. That's why, why I have a bank. It's not like they're getting interest. I'm not making any money off them. So I so I find, like, it's, it's effort to go through and figure out what that is. And then there's that change, which most people don't like, but then it's like, but then you have, like, the best of the best. So, you know, I think that's really cool.Jon Ostenson 36:01  Yeah, absolutely, you know, unfortunately, I've got the best wife, so I'm not up leveling there.Lesley Logan 36:06  That's good to know. That's good to know. Shout out to her. Okay, is there anything I didn't ask you, because this is a new topic for me, so I really want to make sure that, like, we covered all the bases that you think we needed to. Is there anything to ask you about franchising and getting into it that you want to share with us today. Jon Ostenson 36:22  Yeah, you know, I think we really hit a lot of the hot topics. You know, we're seeing more interest than we've ever seen. I think, for a variety of reasons, our biggest challenge is not lead flow, it's, it's, you know, just the opportunities. They move so fast in good markets. So I would encourage people, if anyone has an interest in exploring, there's no downside, there's no cost. I just hear testimonial after testimonial of franchising wasn't on my radar. I was looking at existing businesses. And actually, that's a good topic. A lot of our clients say hey, we've been looking for an existing business. Here's what I hear. We've been looking for four years, five years, six years. We've been under LOI, letter of intent for five companies, six companies, due diligence didn't shake out someone else outbid us. We uncovered this. And due diligence over and over again, and then they come around to franchising. They say, wait a minute, I can get into franchising without having to pay the premium of an existing business, without having to have the risk of change in ownership. I mean, you're going to lose some key employees. That just happens when you have a change in ownership. And there's so many people out there looking because you have all these talking heads on social media saying, hey, buy a business and then build it. It's like, what was the franchise system? Buy a proven model, but put your thumbprints on it from day one, and build the culture the way you want it. So I'd say that was one thing I wanted to add that just came to mind.Lesley Logan 37:36  I'm glad you brought that up, because we first, like, I work with a lot of business owners who are like, I want to sell my studio. They want to sell their business. And I'm always like, okay, well, what can we sell? Because if you are the main person, not much to sell, babe. So we have to, like, do all this work to make the business sellable. And, and I was like, and I really wish that someone had told you have to think about the exit in mind. Because you have to think about the exit in mind when you start anything everyone, but I do think that there's a lot of people in, oh, I'll just buy this one because I've seen how good it is. I like going there. And so we have this, like, almost like, attachment, but it's true, like, even if people like you, they might still leave, because people don't like change.Jon Ostenson 38:17  Yeah, and you paid a premium thinking nothing was going to change, right? So, you know, that's one of the things I love about franchising, too, is that exit in mind when you start in the beginning again, most franchises, you're not going to find many good franchise resales out there on the market, because any opportunity that's worth buying is going to be bought by another franchisee in that system, that internal M and A, as I call it, mergers and acquisitions, where franchisees buy each other's businesses, which allows for exits and allows others to expand. That's so, so common. I've got so many clients have done, I've personally done it just again, when you think about the end in mind.Lesley Logan 38:52  Yeah, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can work with you, do a call with you and see if this is what's in it for them. Lesley Logan 39:02  All right, Jon, how do people like, it's free, so they could just, like, chat with you and just see if, like, this is a good idea for them, right? Like, that's how they can work with you. How do they find you?Jon Ostenson 39:10  Yeah, come out to our website, franbridgeconsulting.com F-R-A-N bridge consulting dot com you know, share your email address. I'll send you a free digital copy of our book, Non-Food Franchising, which is a great primer to kind of get the juices flowing and help you connect the dots on franchising. And yeah, more than happy to jump on a call, just to indicate that interest when we reach out to you, and we'll jump on a 20-25, minute call, and I can give you some thoughts and get to know you a little bit better, and we can go from there. So again, entirely free to work with us. Certainly if you want to follow on LinkedIn, I put out content most days on LinkedIn. So that could be another place to find me. Lesley Logan 39:42  Oh, that's cool. LinkedIn a place that I keep saying I'm going to start printing thumbprint on. And I go in there and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. So maybe in a maybe in a future year. You guys, I did read the book. I'm telling you, it was an it's a great read, and it really helped. It will. I think if it's for you, you'll know by reading the book, and if it's not for you, you'll know by reading the book. And I think that that's really cool. And also I just really, one of the things I'm really intentional about is like we have so many listeners, and I really want people to have I think freedom to make decisions is one of the most important ways you can be it till you see it. And having an, a way of making an income that works for you is one of the best things I could give to you guys as listeners. So thank you so much for being here. Before I let you go, Jon, you've given us so much already, but we love to give our listeners some bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jon Ostenson 40:35  Yeah, you know, I would say, here's a quote, activity breeds activity, and it's the idea. I've just seen this play out in my career, in my life. Whenever I get off the couch, off the sidelines, I start moving towards Option A or Option B. That's when option C comes out of left field. And so I think good things happen when you're in motion. That idea of activity breeding other activity. Oftentimes you don't know what's coming, but you stay active, it comes.Lesley Logan 40:55  So good. It's so good. It kind of like, ladies, my Pilates lovers, it's like a body in motion stays in motion, like it's like that, but also like we had someone else say, like, I'm, everything is everything. And when you never know what, going out and talking to someone could turn into, my husband talks to everyone at every party, and I I'm so thankful for him, because I can talk to like, five people at a party, and then I'm like, okay, that's good. I'm good. Like, but he and, you know what, we've needed some of those people. He's like, oh, there's this guy I talked to at this place and, like, so, and you just never know what those connections are. So that's a great Be It Action Item. Thank you so much, Jon. Jon Ostenson, everyone. You can get his book, go to franbridgeconsulting.com. Perfect. Go there. We'll have the link in the show notes. And, you know, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. If you had a friend who's like, I need something different, I need to change. I need a new job, like this might be the exact thing they need. And then you get to be part of that. How cool is that? So thank you, Jon. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 42:39  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 42:44  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 42:48  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 42:55  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 42:58  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Franchising Beyond Fast Food: A Strategic Path to Business Ownership and Multiple Income Streams In this episode, host Larry sits down with Jon Ostinson, President of FranBridge Consulting and multi-brand franchise owner, to explore the often-overlooked opportunities in non-food franchising and how professionals can transition from corporate careers to successful business ownership.

Craig Henderson is the CEO of Extract Labs, a Boulder, Colorado-based full-service hemp extraction laboratory offering a proprietary line of boutique CBD-infused products. Craig started the company in his garage in 2016.   This Episode is Sponsored By: Jon Ostenson, Founder of FranBridge Consulting and Top 1% US Franchise Consultant is here to help you explore the world of non-food franchising opportunities today. Jon and his team are part of the largest brokerage in the US and have vetted the market thoroughly. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising. Franbridge Consulting offers five more non-food franchise opportunities in 2024 that you can explore. FranBridge is hands down the premier source of the best opportunities in the non-food franchising world. You can hear more of Jon's story and how he started FranBridge Consulting on Episode 250 of our podcast. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising.   Want to Support the Show? Well we'd love for you to join our Patreon Group!  What's in it for you?  Well you'll instantly get a scheduled call from Austin, where he'll help you with your current or future business... Sign-Up Now at millionaire-interviews.com/patreon.

What if selling your small business felt as strategic—and profitable—as a Wall Street deal? That's the mission of Scott Weavil, founder of Sierra Pacific Partners and a former corporate M&A attorney who walked away from billion-dollar boardrooms to help small business owners get the exits they deserve. In this episode of The Root of All Success, Jason Duncan and Scott unpack what really happens during the business sale process—from valuation myths and buyer psychology to why most founders unknowingly sabotage their own deals. If you're thinking about exiting, scaling for sale, or simply want to increase the value of your business, this episode will shift your mindset and sharpen your strategy.

Think starting a business is the only way to build wealth? Think again. In this episode, Jason Duncan sits down with Jon Ostenson, one of the top franchise consultants in the country and author of Non-Food Franchising, to break the myth that entrepreneurship has to start from scratch. Jon reveals why buying into the right franchise can often be smarter, faster, and far less risky than launching your own idea. He shares what kinds of businesses are booming right now (hint: it's not restaurants), how his clients are earning passive income while keeping their day jobs, and why the franchise model is becoming the go-to strategy for corporate execs and investors alike. Whether you're dreaming of your first business or looking to diversify your portfolio, this conversation will open your eyes to a different path to success.

Send us a textJoin us on Average Joe Finances as our guest Jon Ostenson discusses the benefits and intricacies of non-food franchise opportunities, touching on Jon's journey from the corporate world to launching Fran Bridge Consulting. Jon shares insights into why non-food franchises can be more stable and less complex compared to food franchises, along with tips for prospective franchisees on how to succeed. The conversation also dives into the tax benefits of business ownership, the importance of networking, the value of following a proven system, and the potential for scaling a franchise business. In this episode:Learn why non-food franchises often offer simpler operations, fewer staffing headaches, and higher margins.Discover how semi-passive franchise ownership can help you build a business while keeping your day job.Explore the strategic advantage of combining real estate investing with complementary franchise models.Understand why following a proven system is the key to long-term success as a franchise owner.And so much more!Key Moments:00:56 Guest Introduction: John Ostenson01:35 Jon's Journey into Franchising02:53 The Appeal of Non-Food Franchises04:33 Franchising vs. Starting a Business06:20 Active vs. Passive Franchise Ownership07:47 Scaling and Success in Franchising14:03 Real Estate and Franchising Synergies18:18 The Importance of Networking in Business18:38 Tax Benefits for Business Owners19:20 Changes in Tax Codes and Their Impact20:06 Leveraging Family in Business for Tax Advantages20:51 The Value of Professional Tax Assistance22:20 The Power of Masterminds and Franchise Systems22:37 Learning from Other Franchisees24:42 The Risks and Rewards of Business Ownership25:24 Final Round: Reflecting on Business and Finance27:12 Tips for Aspiring Franchise Owners28:01 Finding the Right Franchise Fit29:06 Recommended Books and Podcasts30:44 How to Connect with Jon and Learn More32:30 Final Thoughts and EncouragementFind Jon OstensonWebsite: https://franbridgeconsulting.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/ Average Joe Finances®All of our social media links and more: https://averagejoefinances.com/linksAbout Mike: https://mikecavaggioni.comAbout Tawnya: https://www.themoneylifecoach.com/Show Notes add-on continued here: https://averagejoefinances.com/show-notes/*DISCLAIMER* https://averagejoefinances.com/disclaimerSee our full episode transcripts here: https://podcast.averagejoefinances.com/episodesSupport the show

Terry Koosed is the Founder of Bel Air Internet, a Los Angeles based Internet Service Provider, and a leading authority on successful entrepreneurship. He has founded and successfully run seven companies in the high-tech industry during the past 40 years, sometimes concurrently, and is what some would call, a serial entrepreneur. Listen to Part II, right now: How Exceptional Customer Service made Bel Air Internet a Leading Provider (A Continuation of EP 274). This Episode is Sponsored By: Jon Ostenson, Founder of FranBridge Consulting and Top 1% US Franchise Consultant is here to help you explore the world of non-food franchising opportunities today. Jon and his team are part of the largest brokerage in the US and have vetted the market thoroughly. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising. Franbridge Consulting offers five more non-food franchise opportunities in 2024 that you can explore. FranBridge is hands down the premier source of the best opportunities in the non-food franchising world. You can hear more of Jon's story and how he started FranBridge Consulting on Episode 250 of our podcast. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising.   Want to Support the Show? Well we'd love for you to join our Patreon Group!  What's in it for you?  Well you'll instantly get a scheduled call from Austin, where he'll help you with your current or future business... Sign-Up Now at millionaire-interviews.com/patreon.

Jon shares insights on unconventional franchise opportunities, from in-home senior care to private aircraft detailing. He also explains the benefits of franchising over starting a business from scratch, including proven blueprints, community support, and market predictability. The discussion highlights various industries ripe for franchising and offers a glimpse into Jon's journey and expertise, making this a must-watch for aspiring franchisees and entrepreneurs alike.00:00 Introduction to Non-Food Franchising00:56 Meet Jon Ostenson: Fran Bridge Consulting01:44 Understanding Franchising: Food vs. Non-Food02:41 Exploring Non-Food Franchise Opportunities06:47 The Benefits of Franchising10:13 Jon's Book: Non-Food Franchising13:13 Investment Ranges in Franchising16:24 Guidance from Fran Bridge Consulting20:54 Jon's Journey and Final Thoughts Connect with me on:All my linksBecome a guestSign up for RiversideGet Descript #DigitalMarketing #Branding #PersonalBranding #MarketingInsights #SocialMediaStrategy

Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, an Inc. 5000 company, and he is a top 1% franchise consultant. Jon is also the author of the bestselling book, ‘Non-Food Franchising'. Jon draws on his experience as a former Inc. 500 Franchise President and Multi-Brand Franchisee in helping his clients select their franchise investments. Jon is a frequent contributor on franchising for publications such as Forbes, Inc., and Bloomberg.

#442 In this exciting episode of Millionaire University, the hosts welcome back Jon Ostenson, a renowned non-food franchising expert, for a deep dive into the untapped goldmine of franchise opportunities beyond the food industry. Together, they explore a variety of unique and often overlooked niches such as health and wellness, kids and youth programs, senior care, pet services, and home and property services. Jon unveils how these diverse franchise models can be incredibly lucrative and attractive, even for those without any prior experience in these fields. He highlights the robust support systems franchisors provide, the critical role of thorough market research, and how franchising can be a game-changing alternative to traditional career paths, offering immense income potential and scalability. This episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone looking to break free from the 9-to-5 grind and step into the world of successful entrepreneurship. (Original Air Date - 7/19/24) What we discuss with Jon: + Diving Deeper into Non-Food Franchising + Exploring Specific Franchise Opportunities + Health and Wellness Franchises + Fitness and Virtual Training Franchises + Mental Health and Longevity Franchises + Market Research and Franchise Success + Franchising in the Kids and Pet Spaces + Exploring Dog Training Business Opportunities + Complementary Business Ideas for Senior Care + Scalability and Legalities in Franchising + Diverse Franchising Examples and Success Stories + Home and Property Services Franchises + Franchising in the Tiny Homes Market +Tax Benefits and Family Involvement in Franchising Thank you, Jon! For premier non-food franchise opportunities discussed in today's episode, check out Jon's company ⁠Franbridge Consulting!⁠ For more information go to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ MillionaireUniversity.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get access to our FREE Business Training course go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MillionaireUniversity.com/training.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ And follow us on: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get exclusive offers mentioned in this episode and to support the show, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠millionaireuniversity.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nordvpn.com/millionaire⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! Want to hear from more incredible entrepreneurs? Check out all of our interviews ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! If you missed the first episode of non-food franchising with Jon, ⁠Tune in to Episode 95. Non-Food Franchising 101 with Jon Ostenson HERE! ⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week's edition of the AmiSights Podcast, we talk to franchise consultant Jon Ostenson, CEO of FranBridge Consulting, which helps connect entrepreneurs and investors around the country with top franchise opportunities. He explains what non-food industries are popular for franchising. “We connect entrepreneurs and investors with what we see as the top franchise opportunities in non-food franchising—industries that are often overlooked but highly scalable and resilient. It's all about stepping into business ownership with confidence, clarity, and the right support.”In today's episode, we're diving into why hiring the right people is the most important part of any business, how the tax benefits of business ownership can help offset higher incomes, and how the SBA's reinstatement of the franchisor directory will benefit both franchisees and lenders.Connect with Jon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/Check out FranBridge Consulting: https://franbridgeconsulting.com/Recorded on 4/23/25

Jon Ostenson is a top 1 percent Franchise Broker, Consultant, Investor, and Author of the book 'Non-Food Franchising'. Jon is CEO of FranBridge Consulting, an Inc 5000 company. draws on his experience as a former Inc. Franchise President and Multi-Brand Franchisee in serving his clients. Top 3 Value Bombs 1. Non-sexy is the new sexy. The best franchise opportunities aren't trendy, they're recession-resilient and rooted in everyday needs like home services, senior care, and wellness. 2. Franchising vs. buying a business. Many aspiring entrepreneurs spend years chasing existing businesses. Franchising can offer a faster, proven path with built-in support and less risk. 3. You don't need millions. Most franchise opportunities range from 150K – 400K and can be funded through SBA loans or retirement accounts, making business ownership accessible. Checkout their website, schedule a discovery call and download the book Non-Food Franchising for free - FranBridge Consulting Sponsor DeleteMe - Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Get 20 percent off your DeleteMe plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com/eofire and use promo code EOFire at checkout.  

“Activity breeds activity” on the Daily Grind ☕️, your weekly goal-driven podcast. This episode features Kelly Johnson @kellyfastruns and special guest Jon Ostenson. Jon is the CEO of FranBridge Consulting, where he helps thousands of people achieve business ownership through 600+ high-growth franchise opportunities. Recently recognized on the Inc. 5000 list at #584, the firm has established itself as a leader in the franchise industry, while Jon himself ranks among the top 1% of franchise consultants in the US.S7 Episode 17: 5/27/2025Featuring Kelly Johnson with Special Guest Jon OstensonAudio Credit Intro and Outro: Daniel ChayraFollow Our Podcast:Instagram: @dailygrindpod https://www.instagram.com/dailygrindpod/  X: @dailygrindpod https://x.com/dailygrindpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailygrindpodTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dailygrindpodPodcast Website: https://direct.me/dailygrindpod  Follow Our Special Guest:Website: https://franbridgeconsulting.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. Jason Brown is a self-made millionaire, stock market expert, and founder of a leading online education platform for traders. Growing up in Detroit in challenging circumstances, Jason's journey from selling candy at school to making $400,000 in a single trade is a testament to his resilience and financial acumen. He's not just a trader—he's an educator, author of The 5-Year Millionaire, and a powerful advocate for financial empowerment, especially for those starting with little. On this episode we talk about: Jason's first entrepreneurial hustle selling candy in school and his evolution into a top options trader Breaking down the basics: stocks, options, futures, and shorts—explained with real-life analogies How Jason turned $2,000 in graduation money into a six-figure trading account, lost it all, and made it back The mindset and tenacity needed to break generational cycles and turn disadvantages into advantages Practical advice for parents on exposing kids to financial literacy and building generational wealth Top 3 Takeaways Your disadvantage can be your advantage: Jason's story shows that challenging circumstances can fuel ambition and creativity, leading to unique paths for success. Financial education is accessible: With the right mindset and education, anyone can learn to trade stocks and options—no finance degree required. Exposure and accountability matter: Early exposure to positive financial habits and environments, plus having someone who cares, can change the trajectory for the next generation. Connect with Jason Brown: https://thebrownreport.com/ Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeRobin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. On this episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast, Travis sits down with Shaun Clark (CEO), Varun Vairavan (CTO), and Robin Alex (COO), the co-founders of HighLevel. These three entrepreneurs have transformed the digital marketing landscape by creating an all-in-one CRM and business automation platform now used by millions. Their unique approach empowers users not just to run their businesses more efficiently, but to launch entirely new income streams—whether as agency owners, SaaS founders, or affiliates. The HighLevel team's story is a masterclass in product-market fit, community-driven growth, and building opportunities for others to make money. On this episode we talk about: – How HighLevel grew to millions of users by empowering its community – The three core ways to make money with HighLevel: agency-building, white-label SaaS, and affiliate marketing – Practical steps for starting a digital agency using HighLevel's tools—even with no prior experience – How white-labeling HighLevel lets you create your own SaaS business without writing code – The power of niche solutions and building IP on top of an existing platform – HighLevel's 40% recurring affiliate program and real-world success stories – The dynamics of successful business partnerships and co-founder relationships – The importance of radical honesty, mutual respect, and planning for the future in partnerships Top 3 Takeaways 1. HighLevel isn't just a software tool—it's a business opportunity platform. You can build an agency, launch your own SaaS, or earn recurring revenue as an affiliate, all leveraging the same robust infrastructure. 2. Success comes from focusing on a single problem for a specific audience. The “riches are in the niches”—customize solutions for one market, and scale from there. 3. Strong partnerships are built on mutual respect, radical honesty, and clear upfront agreements. Prepare for the end at the beginning, and always keep the customer's needs at the center of decisions. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeRobin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. Alex is the COO and co-founder of GoHighLevel, a billion-dollar marketing and CRM platform that has transformed how agencies and local businesses operate. With a background in tech and entrepreneurship, Robin's journey spans from running a game server company in college to leading one of the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world. His unique blend of technical expertise, agency experience, and people-first leadership has made him a respected figure in the SaaS and marketing automation space. On this episode we talk about: Robin's path from tech-savvy entrepreneur to GoHighLevel co-founder How GoHighLevel scaled to 3-4 million users and 1,800+ employees in under seven years The impact of AI on business operations, jobs, and new opportunities like prompt engineering The critical role of soft skills-leadership, communication, persuasion-in an AI-driven world The difference between running an agency as a job versus building a scalable business Bootstrapping GoHighLevel and the power of organic, product-led growth Balancing family, priorities, and founder life Top 3 Takeaways Embracing AI and new technology can multiply your team's impact, but leveraging soft skills like leadership and communication remains irreplaceable. Building a scalable business requires moving beyond “just a job”-focus on systems, recurring revenue, and solving real customer problems. Organic growth, strong partnerships, and listening to your customers are key drivers for sustainable SaaS success Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeRobin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jess Burgio is a podcast mentor, business coach, and the host of "Unscripted," a top 1.5% podcast where she shares raw insights on business strategy, personal growth, and audience expansion. With a background in the beauty industry as a salon owner and hair/makeup artist, Jess has successfully pivoted to helping creators build authentic personal brands and launch their own podcasts. Her unique blend of creative entrepreneurship and practical coaching makes her a standout guest for anyone looking to leverage podcasting for both personal and financial growth. On this episode we talk about: – How Jess transitioned from the beauty industry to podcasting and coaching – The mindset shifts required to break income ceilings in creative industries – Why podcasting is a powerful tool for building personal brands and authority-even with a small audience – Creative ways to monetize a podcast, from sponsorships to selling your own offers – The importance of networking, relationship capital, and the unexpected opportunities that come from podcasting Top 3 Takeaways 1. Podcasting accelerates personal branding and authority: Even if you have a small audience, consistently showing up with a well-produced podcast positions you as an expert and opens doors to new opportunities. 2. Monetization is multi-faceted: Income from podcasting can come directly (sponsorships, free products, guest monetization) or indirectly (selling coaching, courses, or masterminds to listeners who trust you). 3. The real ROI is in relationships and discovery: Podcasting helps you build a powerful network, learn from diverse guests, and uncover new business opportunities you might never have considered. Connect with Jess Burgio: Website: https://www.jessicaburgio.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicaburgio/ Podcast: https://www.jessicaburgio.com/podcast Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. Varun Vairavan is the co-founder and CTO of GoHighLevel, a leading SaaS platform empowering marketing agencies and businesses to automate and scale their operations. With over a decade of experience in software engineering and product development, Varun's journey began as a computer whiz in his school years and evolved through roles at Plivo and Adaptavant Technology Solutions before he co-founded GoHighLevel in 2018. Driven by a passion for practical problem-solving and a vision to help small and medium businesses succeed, Varun played a pivotal role in building GoHighLevel from the ground up, focusing on innovative solutions for web directory listings, reputation management, appointment booking, and multi-channel customer engagement. His technical leadership and commitment to customer feedback have been instrumental in transforming GoHighLevel into a global platform serving thousands of agencies and businesses. Based in Qatar, Varun continues to lead GoHighLevel's engineering and product teams, championing a remote-first culture and pushing the boundaries of CRM and AI-driven business automation. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. Brice is the executive director for Mile High Sober Living and an active member of Denver's sober community. He believes that life is about “things to do and people to do them with”. Brice regularly exercises and goes to the gym, he plays guitar, likes music, art, spirituality, constant self-improvement, and spending time with his son. In a previous life, he owned a live music bar and was surrounded by active alcoholism and addiction and now is surrounded by recovery. He is a realtor and the president of a 501c3 non-profit called Musicians Recovery Project which raises money for treatment for those with limited resources in early recovery. Connect with Brice: http://www.milehighrecoverycenter.comhttp://www.milehighsoberliving.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit GoHighLevel.com/Travis to try the ultimate all-in-one CRM platform. Shaun Clark is the CEO and co-founder of HighLevel (also known as GoHighLevel), a leading all-in-one white-label marketing and CRM platform designed to empower agencies, consultants, and businesses to automate their operations, enhance client delivery, and drive growth. Since co-founding HighLevel in 2018, Clark has played a pivotal role in scaling the company to serve over 20,000 agency owners, providing a comprehensive suite of tools for lead generation, messaging, payment analytics, scheduling, and more Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. John Delony earned his Bachelor of Arts in humanities and psychology at Lubbock Christian University and his Masters of Education in higher education administration from Texas Tech University. He went on to earn two PhDs from Texas Tech University—one in counselor education and supervision, and the other in higher education administration. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amina AITai is a business and career coach, proud immigrant and chronic illness advocate. A leading coach to notable female leaders and impact-driven celebrities-Amina's mastery is in connecting us to our brilliance and teaching us to live and lead from it each day. As a woman of color of Iraqi descent, she often works with underrepresented communities to help them realize possibilities in a way that honors their particular lived experiences. She's a Success Magazine 125 Leaders Finalist, A Forbes Contributor, an Entrepreneur Magazine expert-in-residence and has been featured In The New York Times, goop, NBC, Entrepreneur and more. She is working on her first book The Ambition Trap in collaboration with Penguin and The Open Field and is the host of the Amina Change Your Life Podcast. For her corporate work, Amina has partnered with progressive companies such as Deloitte, Roku, Snapchat, Google, Y&R, Outdoor Voices, NYU and HUGE. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast, we're diving into some powerful highlights from my conversation with bestselling author and business consultant Donald Miller—originally featured on my other show, Travis Makes Friends. Donald is the author of Building a StoryBrand, one of the most influential branding books of all time. He's worked with Fortune 500 companies, consulted for the NSA, and helped countless businesses double their revenue using simple but effective messaging strategies. In this episode, we pull clips from our chat that focus specifically on money, business growth, writing, branding, and even AI's role in the future of marketing. We cover: How Building a StoryBrand sold over 1 million copies A company that grew revenue by 98% with just one tagline tweak Why clarity in your message is the key to making money The future of branding in an AI-driven world And much more from one of the most insightful business minds out there

Nick Huber is an accomplished entrepreneur and real estate investor based in Athens, Georgia. Best known for building a $30M+ annual revenue portfolio that includes 68 self-storage properties, Nick also owns companies like somewhere.com, Bolt Storage, and RE Cost Seg. He's recognized for his no-nonsense advice on entrepreneurship, his book The Sweaty Startup, and his focus on building wealth through practical, “boring” businesses rather than chasing flashy startup trends. Nick's unique perspective comes from real-world experience, not just theory, making him a sought-after voice for aspiring business owners. On this episode we talk about: – How Nick made his first and most recent dollar – The importance of picking the right business “vehicle” – Why cash is king in real estate investing – The realities of self-storage and why it's not truly “passive income” – Building businesses that solve real problems (like RE Cost Seg and somewhere.com) Top 3 Takeaways 1. Pick the right business vehicle: Success isn't just about working hard-it's about working smart in industries where you can win, even if you're “average.” 2. Cash matters in real estate: Contrary to popular advice, Nick argues you need capital to succeed in real estate; “no money down” deals are risky and rare. 3. Business is a long game: Building wealth takes years, often generations. Avoid get-rich-quick schemes and focus on boring, proven businesses. Connect with Nick Huber: Website: sweatystartup.com http://www.nickhuber.com/https://x.com/sweatystartuphttps://www.instagram.com/sweatystartup/#https://www.linkedin.com/in/sweatystartup/https://www.youtube.com/sweatystartuphttps://www.tiktok.com/@sweatystartuphttps://www.threads.com/@sweatystartup Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thoryn Stephens is a leading expert in neurotechnology, longevity, and analytics, specializing in data architecture, consumer insights, and behavioral analytics. As the founder of Brain.1, Thoryn has created a pioneering brain fitness platform that offers the world's most extensive collection of brain health microhabits and protocols. His unique blend of scientific expertise, entrepreneurial spirit, and passion for holistic health makes him a standout voice in the intersection of technology, neuroscience, and personal development. On this episode we talk about: – Thoryn's journey from biotech and molecular biology to entrepreneurship – The founding story and mission behind Brain.1 and brain fitness protocols – The importance of personalized health routines and protocols for longevity – How lifestyle changes can help prevent neurodegenerative diseases like dementia – The role of community, connection, and purpose in health and wealth Top 3 Takeaways 1. Optimizing your brain and health is foundational to unlocking higher income and productivity. 2. Personalized health protocols-especially for brain fitness-are the future of preventative medicine and longevity. 3. Community and connection are powerful “biohacks” that significantly impact healthspan and overall well-being. Connect with Thoryn Stephens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thoryn Website: https://brain.one/ Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever considered opening a franchise? Maybe you're looking for a new investment opportunity, or you're attracted to a business model where all the systems are already up and running. Today's guest breaks down what you need to know beforehand, the best industries to invest in, and what separates successful owners from the rest.   Jon Ostenson is the Founder and CEO of FranBridge Consulting, an Inc. 5000 company and a top 1% franchise consultant. He's also the author of the bestselling book Non-Food Franchising. Jon draws on his experience as a former Inc. 500 Franchise President and Multi-Brand Franchisee to help his clients select their franchise investments. Jon is a frequent contributor on franchising for publications such as Forbes, Inc., and Bloomberg.  Why Invest in a Franchise The franchise model offers some advantages over starting your own business. For one, the business has already proven to be successful. The franchise has a playbook for what works and what doesn't–all you need to do is execute it. You also have a community of other franchisees running the same business, where you can learn from each other and exchange best practices.  What Makes a Successful Franchise Owner Some entrepreneurs struggle to run a franchise because they don't like following the playbook; they aren't coachable or willing to learn. As an owner, you need to trust the franchise that you bought into. The most successful franchise owners are the ones who follow the system the closest. You can innovate within the system, but don't try to reinvent the wheel. The second-most important characteristic is to be good with people. If you're a good person to work for and with, everything runs more smoothly. Being well-liked can even turn into a competitive advantage. Enjoy this episode with Jon Ostenson… Soundbytes 5:10-5:35 “The model has been proven out in other markets. You've got a playbook. It's all about going out and executing. So you're essentially starting on third base. You've got bulk buying of services or products, you get those synergies, but you also get a community of other franchisees, other people running the same business, day in, day out, in their markets, and you're constantly learning from each other and exchanging best practices. You're in business for yourself and not by yourself.”  18:43-19:10 “Our top performers had two characteristics. One, they were good with people, and that's just business 101. They're someone that people want to work for, work with. No, they don't have to be gregarious, but they're decent people. And then secondly, they're willing to follow a system. They've got the humility to say, hey, there's a reason why I bought into a franchise. I'm going to come in and trust you. The ones that follow the system the closest were most successful.” Quotes “For most people, franchising is a better path to business ownership, because it allows you to have those training wheels.” “You've got to be someone that people want to work with.” “If it were easy, everybody would be a business owner.” “As long as you can be someone that people want to work for and find your competitive advantage.” Links mentioned in this episode: From Our Guest Website: https://franbridgeconsulting.com/ Connect with Jon Ostenson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonostenson/ Connect with brandiD Download our free guide to learn 16 crucial website updates that attract more leads and convert visitors into clients: https://thebrandid.com/website-tweaks/ Ready to elevate your digital presence with a powerful brand or website? Contact us here: https://thebrandid.com/contact-form/

Peter Kraft is the Founder and President of Evolution Labs. Prior to founding Evolution Labs, Kraft was instrumental in forming and re-envisioning two educational software companies that led the industry in recruitment, enrollment and retention of college students. He co-founded GoalQuest in 2000 and served as its CEO until 2007 when he spearheaded the company's acquisition by EducationDynamics. Kraft served as President of the enrollment and retention division of EducationDynamics from 2007 to 2009.     This Episode is Sponsored By: Jon Ostenson, Founder of FranBridge Consulting and Top 1% US Franchise Consultant is here to help you explore the world of non-food franchising opportunities today. Jon and his team are part of the largest brokerage in the US and have vetted the market thoroughly. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising. Franbridge Consulting offers five more non-food franchise opportunities in 2024 that you can explore. FranBridge is hands down the premier source of the best opportunities in the non-food franchising world. You can hear more of Jon's story and how he started FranBridge Consulting on Episode 250 of our podcast. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising.   Want to Support the Show? Well we'd love for you to join our Patreon Group!  What's in it for you?  Well you'll instantly get a scheduled call from Austin, where he'll help you with your current or future business... Sign-Up Now at millionaire-interviews.com/patreon.

Daniel Packard is a mechanical engineer turned CEO of Full Liberation Technology, known for his groundbreaking work in permanently eliminating anxiety and the fears that hold people back from achieving their goals. After a decade-long personal struggle with anxiety and investing over $1 million in research and development, Daniel engineered a system with a 90% success rate that has helped thousands break free from anxiety, procrastination, people-pleasing, perfectionism, and low confidence. His unique blend of engineering rigor and real-world empathy makes his approach both innovative and practical. On this episode we talk about: Why fear is the root cause behind anxiety, procrastination, people-pleasing, perfectionism, and low confidence The “Funky Five” and how they sabotage your ability to make money and succeed Why most self-help and personal development tools don't deliver permanent results The science behind Daniel's Nervous System Reset and why the nervous system-not the mind-is the key to freedom How Daniel's pay-at-the-end model puts results first and why he believes results matter most Top 3 Takeaways The real obstacle to making more money isn't lack of tactics-it's unresolved fear rooted in the body, specifically the nervous system. Most personal development focuses on managing symptoms, not solving the root problem; true change happens when you address the nervous system directly. Permanent transformation is possible with the right system, and you don't have to live with anxiety or self-doubt holding you back from success. Notable Quotes “You do not have multiple problems. You have multiple symptoms of one thing, which is fear.” “Results matter. The person you want to trust is the person that actually gets results.” “If you weren't taught to take care of your nervous system, does it make sense that eventually over time, it's going to start to malfunction?” Connect with Daniel Packard: Website (Free Training): danielpackard.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Drew Norton, known as the Everyday Sales Leader, joins Travis to share his journey from selling Halloween candy as a kid to leading large sales organizations and coaching others to sales success. As a self-development coach, sales consultant, and co-host of the Everyday Leader podcast, Drew brings a wealth of experience across sales, recruiting, leadership, and training. What makes Drew unique is his focus on ethical selling and his belief that sales skills can transform not just your income, but your entire life-even if you're an introvert. On this episode we talk about: – Drew's unconventional path into sales and entrepreneurship – Why sales is a high-leverage skill for anyone wanting to control their income – Overcoming the negative stereotypes and mindset blocks around selling – How sales skills translate to better communication, empathy, and leadership – Practical ways to start learning and earning in sales-even part-time – The best industries for new salespeople to break in and maximize earnings Top 3 Takeaways 1. Sales is a learnable skill that can dramatically increase your income and opportunities, regardless of your background or personality type. 2. Ethical selling is about solving real problems and building trust, not pressure or manipulation. 3. The mindset you bring to sales-believing in your product and your value-matters more than having the perfect script. Notable Quotes "Sales is life. The things I've been learning have helped me communicate with my wife, helped me be a better listener." "You don't have to be an extrovert to be great at sales. Some of the best salespeople I know are introverts." "If you really believe in your product, the worst thing you can do is not influence someone to buy it if it's right for them." Connect with Drew Norton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theeverydaysalesleader Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theeverydaysalesleader/ Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marty Strong is a retired Navy SEAL officer, accomplished entrepreneur, CEO, and prolific author. With more than 20 years of military service and decades of business leadership, Marty currently leads multiple companies, including a major healthcare firm. He has written nine novels and three business books, most notably Be Nimble: How the Creative Navy SEAL Mindset Wins on the Battlefield and in Business. Marty is renowned for translating elite military leadership principles into actionable business strategies, and he's made over 350 media appearances as a thought leader on leadership, resilience, and innovation. His unique blend of battlefield-tested wisdom and executive experience makes him a compelling voice for anyone looking to elevate their business and financial game. On this episode we talk about: – How Navy SEAL training shaped Marty's approach to business leadership – The transition from military service to entrepreneurship and corporate leadership – Key lessons from Be Nimble and how to apply them in any industry – Why adaptability and creative thinking are crucial for business growth – Strategies for building resilient teams and thriving in high-pressure environments Top 3 Takeaways 1. Adaptability is a superpower. The ability to pivot quickly and creatively in the face of uncertainty is what separates successful leaders and businesses from the rest. 2. Leadership is about action, not just titles. Marty emphasizes that real leadership is demonstrated through decisive action, clear communication, and empowering others-regardless of your position. 3. Transfer your skills. The discipline, teamwork, and problem-solving skills honed in the military can be powerful assets in entrepreneurship and corporate life. Connect with Marty Strong: Website: martystrongbenimble.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eric Jorgenson is the CEO of Scribe Media, the industry's largest professional publishing service, dedicated to helping entrepreneurs, executives, and experts write, publish, and market their books. Eric is also the bestselling author of The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Anthology of Balaji, with over a million copies sold. Beyond his publishing expertise, Eric is an investor in deep tech startups and an influential blogger and podcaster. His unique journey from author and curator to CEO-especially after helping revive Scribe Media from bankruptcy-makes him a fascinating guest with deep insights into the evolving world of book publishing, authorship, and leveraging books for business growth. On this episode we talk about: – The origin story behind The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and why Eric created it – The rise, fall, and rebirth of Scribe Media-and Eric's path to CEO – Key differences between traditional publishing, hybrid, and self-publishing models – How books can serve as powerful business assets beyond just royalties – The critical importance of quality and professionalism in publishing – Navigating advances, control, and intellectual property as an author – Why marketing and personal networks now drive book sales more than ever – The realities of bookstore placement, bestseller lists, and the modern publishing landscape Top 3 Takeaways 1. A book is more than a business card-it's a credential. A well-written, high-quality book can serve as a lifelong asset, building trust, authority, and opening doors for speaking, consulting, and business opportunities. 2. Control and flexibility matter. Traditional publishing can offer credibility and advances, but often at the cost of creative and financial control. Many authors now succeed by self-publishing or using hybrid models, retaining rights and maximizing ROI. 3. Marketing trumps distribution. In today's landscape, personal networks, podcasts, and word-of-mouth drive more book sales than traditional media or bookstore placement. Demonstrated demand online is what gets books into stores-not the publisher's logo. Notable Quotes “A good book is much more like a PhD. It's a credential you should be proud to put in front of whoever the most important person in your network is.” “Half-professional is unprofessional. If you're not proud to put your book in front of someone, you didn't invest enough time and effort.” “What really matters most is a great book. Your readers don't care who published it-they care about the value inside.” Connect with Eric Jorgenson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erjorgenson Website: ejorgenson.com Scribe Media: scribemedia.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Keren Eldad is a renowned executive coach, thought leader, and founder of The Club-a community for leaders, entrepreneurs, and coaches striving to reach their fullest potential. With a client roster that includes Olympic athletes, politicians, Hollywood stars, and global organizations like Estée Lauder, JPMorgan, and Nike, Keren specializes in guiding high achievers out of the endless grind and into true success and fulfillment. Her unique approach blends mindset mastery, wealth consciousness, and actionable strategies, making her a sought-after voice on building both happiness and wealth. On this episode we talk about: Why the traditional path to financial success is broken-and what's replacing it How Keren shifted from scarcity to abundance thinking (and grew her business 600%) The real meaning of “wealth consciousness” and how to develop it The importance of happiness and gratitude in building lasting wealth Actionable steps to reset your mindset and environment for financial growth Top 3 Takeaways Wealth is as much about mindset as it is about money-developing an abundance mentality is foundational to lasting success. Happiness and financial achievement are not mutually exclusive; building wealth holistically leads to greater fulfillment. Your environment and inputs-what you read, watch, and who you spend time with-directly impact your ability to create wealth. Notable Quotes "No unhappy journey has a happy ending." "Real wealth consciousness is not 'I have.' It's 'I can make it.'" "You have the ability to craft your own environment, which means you control who you become." Connect with Keren Eldad: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keren-eldad/recent-activity/all/?trk=public_post_follow-articles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coachkeren/# Website: https://kereneldad.com/ Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dionne Payn is a trailblazer in ethical property investment and the founder of Women for Homes, an initiative on a mission to inspire one million women to invest $5,000 each to end homelessness by 2030. With over a decade of experience in the property industry, Dionne has developed affordable housing projects, raised more than $45 million for ethical developments, and helped over 40 investors achieve double-digit returns. She is also the author of the Amazon #1 bestseller Ethical Property Investing and a passionate advocate for financial empowerment, especially for women. Dionne's unique blend of scientific background, entrepreneurial spirit, and commitment to social impact makes her a standout leader in the world of property investing. On this episode we talk about: – Dionne's journey from pharmaceutical chemistry to ethical property investing – The pivotal moment that inspired her to pursue financial independence and property ownership – The challenges and rewards of affordable housing projects – How Women for Homes aims to democratize property investment and tackle homelessness – The importance of financial literacy and empowerment for women – Lessons learned from both successes and failures in property development – The role of government, developers, and individuals in solving housing crises Top 3 Takeaways 1. Ethical property investing can generate strong returns while creating meaningful social impact, such as reducing homelessness. 2. Financial empowerment-especially for women-is critical to breaking cycles of disadvantage and creating lasting change. 3. Real estate investing is not without risks, but resilience, resourcefulness, and a willingness to learn from setbacks are key to long-term success. Connect with Dionne Payn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dionnepayn/?originalSubdomain=au Website: women4homes.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

#369 In this episode of the Millionaire University podcast, host Brien Gearin interviews Jon Ostenson of FranBridge Consulting, discussing the wide array of non-food franchising opportunities available. Ostenson, who has a rich background in franchising both as a franchisor and a franchisee, sheds light on the appeal of non-food franchises, from home and property services to health and wellness, and how they offer a stable and lucrative avenue for entrepreneurs. The conversation covers the process of choosing the right franchise, the support system provided by franchisors, the benefits of franchising over starting a business from scratch, funding options, and the potential for growth and profitability in various industries. Ostenson also shares insights on the growing trend of private equity investment in the franchise sector, emphasizing the less-talked-about opportunities outside the food industry and offering a digital copy of his book on non-food franchising to listeners. (Original Air Date - 3/27/24) What we discuss with Jon: + Diving Deep into Non-Food Franchise Opportunities + Jon's Journey: From Corporate to Franchise Expert + Exploring the Franchise Landscape: Opportunities and Processes + The Financials: Starting, Scaling, and Succeeding in Franchising + Franchising vs. Startup: Weighing the Pros and Cons + The Franchisee's Investment: Costs, Support, and Revenue Potential + Exploring High Revenue Franchises and Investment Insights + Diverse Franchise Opportunities Across Industries + The Appeal of Franchising to Real Estate Investors + Navigating the Startup Phase of a Franchise + Expanding Your Franchise Empire: Strategies and Considerations + The Journey from Local Business to Franchise Model Thank you, Jon! Thank you Jon for this value packed episode and for sponsoring today's show! Go check out Jon's book, Non-Food Franchising and if you'd like to connect with Jon, click here. For more information go to MillionaireUniversity.com To get access to our FREE Business Training course go to MillionaireUniversity.com/training. And follow us on: Instagram Facebook Tik Tok Youtube Twitter To get exclusive offers mentioned in this episode and to support the show, visit millionaireuniversity.com/sponsors. Want to hear from more incredible entrepreneurs? Check out all of our interviews here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dana Cornell is a Forbes-recognized financial advisor and former executive director at Morgan Stanley, where he managed $1.4 billion in assets. Dissatisfied with the traditional wealth management model, Dana left to found Cornell Capital Holdings, where he now advises another billion dollars and specializes in helping business owners with exit planning and wealth creation. Dana's unique perspective comes from both building and buying businesses, and he's passionate about showing others how to use business acquisitions as a powerful path to financial freedom. On this episode we talk about: Why Dana left Wall Street to build his own wealth management firm The biggest misconceptions about buying small businesses How to identify a business that's the right size for acquisition Creative financing strategies to buy businesses with little or no money down Why income streams and asset classes matter more than stocks and bonds for real wealth How to scale a business and prepare for a profitable exit Top 3 Takeaways Buying a business that's already cash-flowing and has systems in place is often less risky and more profitable than starting from scratch or buying too small. Creative financing—like SBA loans, seller financing, or partnering with investors—can allow you to acquire businesses with little or no money out of pocket. True wealth comes from diversifying income streams and owning assets that generate passive income, not just from traditional stock and bond portfolios. Connect with Dana Cornell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danacornell https://www.cornellcapitalholdings.com/ SHOW SPONSOR: Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan Sheeks is a passionate educator and advocate for Gen Z financial independence. As the founder of the SheeksFreaks community, Dan has helped young people achieve remarkable financial milestones, including members with million-dollar net worths, real estate portfolios, and thriving businesses. He's the author of First to a Million, a bestselling guide for young people seeking early financial independence, and a frequent speaker at schools and conferences nationwide. Dan's unique blend of real-world investing experience, teaching expertise, and commitment to empowering youth makes him a standout voice in the world of personal finance education. On this episode we talk about: – How Gen Z can start building wealth early—even as teenagers or young adults – The power and practicality of house hacking as a first step into real estate – Creative side hustles and business ideas for young people to earn $2,000+ per month – The importance of financial self-education and actionable steps to get started – Using credit cards responsibly to build credit and unlock travel rewards Top 3 Takeaways 1. Self-education is the foundation of financial success. Dan emphasizes that young people must take the initiative to learn about personal finance—whether through books, podcasts, or online resources—to build the knowledge base necessary for smart money decisions. 2. House hacking and creative real estate strategies can make property ownership accessible. Even without significant upfront capital, young people can leverage house hacking—renting out part of their primary residence—to start investing and generate extra income. 3. Discipline with credit cards unlocks major benefits. Used responsibly, credit cards can help build credit history and provide valuable perks like travel rewards, but only if balances are paid in full every month. Connect with Dan Sheeks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-sheeks-0ab489106 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sheeksfreaks/?hl=en Website: sheeksfreaks.com SHOW SPONSOR: Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Miles joins Travis on the Travis Makes Money Podcast for a deep dive into building wealth through cash flow, not just accumulation. Chris is a cash flow expert, anti-financial advisor, and founder of Money Ripples. With over $300 million in increased cash flow for his clients over the past 15 years, Chris is a leading authority on helping entrepreneurs and professionals get their money working for them today—not just in some distant retirement. He's also the host of the Money Ripples podcast and has been featured in outlets like US News, CNN Money, Entrepreneurs on Fire, and BiggerPockets, making him a go-to resource for unconventional wealth-building strategies. On this episode we talk about: – Why traditional retirement planning is broken for most people – The pitfalls of the “accumulation mindset” and why it fails in today's economy – How to generate passive income and cash flow now—not just decades from now – Real-life examples of alternative investments (real estate, oil & gas, private equity) – The importance of due diligence and learning before investing – How millennials and Gen Z can adapt to a world with fewer safety nets – Actionable steps for moving from learning to earning to investing Top 3 Takeaways 1. Cash flow beats accumulation: Focusing on investments that generate income today is far more effective than simply saving for the future in traditional vehicles like mutual funds. 2. Learn before you invest: The best returns come from investing in yourself first—build skills, knowledge, and connections before putting money into deals you don't fully understand. 3. Control and due diligence matter: Passive income isn't truly passive without upfront work—vet operators, understand risk, and ensure accountability before handing over your money. Connect with Chris Miles: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chriscmiles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/moneyripples/?hl=en Website: moneyripples.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trey Peterson, CEO and Co-Founder of All Things Financial, joins Travis Chappell on this episode of Travis Makes Money. Trey is a seasoned expert in retirement planning, fiduciary wealth management, and personal development. With experience spanning insurance, investments, real estate, and business consulting, Trey has generated six- and seven-figure incomes across five industries. His passion lies in helping individuals design their financial futures while achieving stability and success in life. Raised in a pastor's home, Trey brings a unique perspective on serving others and dreaming big—a philosophy he has carried into his professional journey. On this episode we talk about: – Trey's journey from network marketing to commercial insurance and eventually founding All Things Financial. – The importance of fiduciary financial advising and how it differs from traditional brokerage models. – Strategies for building wealth, including investing in skill sets before diving into the stock market or real estate. – The role of stability in financial planning and why it's more important than chasing riches. – How words shape financial mindsets and the power of reframing “I can't afford it” for future success. Top 3 Takeaways Invest in Skills Before Assets: Building a skill set is your most valuable investment—it creates stability and opens doors to greater financial opportunities. Understand Fiduciary Models: Fiduciary advisors are legally obligated to prioritize your best interests, offering transparent advice without high-fee products. Stability Over Riches: Focus on creating a stable financial foundation for your family rather than chasing wealth blindly. Stability leads to peace and long-term success. Connect with Trey Peterson: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trey-c-peterson-005bbb46 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/treycpeterson/ Website: treycpeterson.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jake Sucoff is an accomplished entrepreneur and marketer with over 15 years of experience in building and launching products across industries such as B2B SaaS, enterprise healthcare, and loyalty rewards hardware. As the founder and CEO of Patient Procure, Jake specializes in helping medical practices attract and retain their ideal patients. His career includes working closely with C-suite executives, pitching in high-pressure environments, and leveraging data to drive decision-making. Jake's unique journey from finance to entrepreneurship provides valuable insights into business strategy, partnerships, and personal growth. On this episode we talk about: – Jake's transition from a finance career to entrepreneurship – The founding of Patient Procure and its innovative approach to marketing for medical practices – Lessons learned from building partnerships and managing business relationships – The importance of clarity in personal and professional goals – Strategies for navigating the ups and downs of entrepreneurship Top 3 Takeaways 1. Clarity is Key: Define your personal and professional goals clearly to avoid chasing societal expectations or arbitrary benchmarks. 2. Efficiency Matters: Time constraints, such as family responsibilities, can teach entrepreneurs how to prioritize high-leverage activities effectively. 3. Partnerships Require Careful Consideration: Finding the right business partner is as critical as finding a spouse—focus on complementary skills and shared values. Connect with Jake Sucoff: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsucoff Website: heyjakey.com Company: patientprocure.com Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anthony Franco, a seasoned entrepreneur with seven companies launched and six successful exits (including two to public companies), joins Travis to share his expertise in starting, scaling, and selling businesses. As the host of the How to Founder podcast, Anthony delivers practical advice to help founders navigate the challenges of entrepreneurship. With experience across tech, AI, consumer goods, services, and manufacturing, Anthony's insights are invaluable for anyone looking to turn their side hustle into a thriving business. On this episode we talk about: How Anthony started his entrepreneurial journey by painting house numbers as a kid Lessons learned from bootstrapping businesses and scaling them to successful exits The importance of hunger and discipline in entrepreneurship How sales became a critical skill for Anthony's success The role of pivoting in building sustainable companies Personal finance strategies for entrepreneurs balancing risk and security Top 3 Takeaways Bootstrapping breeds discipline: Starting a business with limited resources forces you to prioritize efficiency and focus on profitability from day one. Sales is non-negotiable: Learning how to sell is essential for every founder—it's the lifeblood of any successful business. Pivoting is key: A company can succeed even if its initial product or service doesn't—adaptability is crucial for long-term sustainability. Connect with Anthony Franco: Website: howtofounder.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyfranco Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Judith Joseph is a board-certified psychiatrist, internationally recognized mental health expert, and researcher specializing in anxiety, depression, and high-functioning mental health conditions. She serves as Chair of the Women in Medicine Initiative at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians & Surgeons and is a clinical assistant professor at NYU Langone Medical Center. Dr. Joseph is also a social media advocate with over 1 million followers, using platforms like TikTok and Instagram to educate the public on mental health topics. Her pioneering research includes the first study on high-functioning depression, and she will release a book on the subject in 2025568. On this episode we talk about: – The loneliness epidemic and its connection to social media1. – The impact of technology on mental health, including Zoom fatigue and digital addiction1. – The importance of physical human connection for emotional well-being1. – How younger generations are affected by growing up in a fully digital world1. – Personal responsibility versus societal solutions in addressing mental health challenges1. Top 3 Takeaways 1. Loneliness is a multifaceted issue: While social media amplifies loneliness, it is not the sole cause; the problem has existed for decades due to societal changes1. 2. Technology as both a tool and a challenge: Social media can connect people but cannot replace real human interaction, which is vital for emotional health1. 3. Personal responsibility is key: Solving mental health issues often requires individuals to take proactive steps rather than relying solely on external systems or government interventions1. Connect with Dr. Judith Joseph: – https://www.instagram.com/drjudithjoseph/?hl=en Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kevin Evers, senior editor at Harvard Business Review and author of the upcoming book There's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift, joins Travis to discuss creativity, high performance, and the unpredictable nature of success. With over 14 years of experience shaping groundbreaking ideas and editing award-winning books, Kevin offers unique insights into business strategy, innovation, and the art of persuasion. His expertise spans topics from brain science to Hollywood blockbusters, making him an unconventional money maker with a wealth of knowledge to share. On this episode we talk about: – Kevin's journey from mowing lawns to editing books at Harvard Business Review – How Taylor Swift's strategic genius revolutionized the music industry – The importance of building scalable relationships with fans or customers – Lessons from Taylor Swift's $2 billion-grossing Eras Tour – The role of creativity and innovation in achieving high performance – Why community-driven engagement is the future of commerce Top 3 Takeaways 1. Fan obsession drives scalability: Taylor Swift's relentless focus on delighting her fans has been a key factor in her unprecedented success. Building strong relationships with your audience is critical for growth. 2. Adaptability leads to longevity: Swift's ability to evolve her brand and music over two decades demonstrates the importance of staying relevant while maintaining quality in your craft. 3. Community is king: Whether you're an artist or entrepreneur, fostering a loyal community can amplify your reach and impact beyond traditional marketing methods. Connect with Kevin Evers: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-evers1 Twitter/X: https://x.com/eve_ers Website: http://nothinglikethisbook.com/ Kevin's book There's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift releases on April 8th and is available wherever books are sold! Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ben Higgins, former star of ABC's The Bachelor, joins Travis to discuss his entrepreneurial journey and life after reality television. Ben shares insights on leveraging fame, building multiple income streams, and transitioning from software sales to full-time entrepreneurship. On this episode we talk about: – Ben's experience on The Bachelor and his decision to keep his day job – Transitioning from software sales to entrepreneurship – Building multiple income streams post-reality TV – Founding a coffee company with a charitable mission – Balancing business ventures with personal life and impending fatherhood Top 3 Takeaways 1. Diversify your income streams to create financial stability after reality TV fame 2. Use your platform to build businesses aligned with your values and passions 3. Be strategic about when to leave your day job for full-time entrepreneurship Connect with Ben Higgins: Instagram: @higgins.ben Twitter/X: @benhiggi Website: Generous Coffee Co. (www.generousmovement.com) Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com

Katie Shea is setting a new standard for how to authentically connect with people while making an impact and more money to create a life full of fulfillment.She is a partner of Grant Cardone and has been coached by Richard Dolan, who has worked with Tony Robbins, the NBA and more. Her leadership comes from research and experience in sales and performance psychology.Katie is a speaker, a trainer, a coach, a mentor, and an advisor. She has a lot of amazing clients, from those that are just getting started to top leaders at billion-dollar companies. She has helped them transform their life with sales, leadership, money, and personal growth by getting them to the source of results.https://www.katiesheacoaching.com/Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/tmf* Check out Sparrow: https://usesparrow.com/travisAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Ritavan is an entrepreneurial technology leader with over a decade of experience driving data-driven business impact. Known for his first-principles approach, Ritavan has authored peer-reviewed papers, delivered global talks, and holds an international patent. His latest book provides actionable insights to help businesses harness the power of data to create value. In this episode, Ritavan shares his expertise on building scalable, data-driven solutions and adapting legacy businesses to thrive in today's evolving value creation paradigms.On this episode we talk about:– The importance of data in decision-making for businesses– How first-principles thinking can reframe and solve complex problems– The evolution of value creation paradigms: industrial, digital, and data-driven– Why legacy businesses must adapt to survive in the modern economy– Examples of companies successfully leveraging digital and data-driven strategiesTop 3 Takeaways1. First-principles thinking reframes problems: Instead of relying on analogies or pre-existing solutions, break problems down to their core components to build tailored solutions for unique contexts.2. Data-driven decision-making is essential: Businesses that fail to incorporate data into their strategies risk falling behind competitors who leverage it effectively.3. Legacy businesses can thrive by integrating new paradigms: Combining industrial strengths with digital and data-driven strategies creates unique competitive advantages.Connect with Ritavan:Website: www.ritavan.comCheck out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/tmf* Check out Sparrow: https://usesparrow.com/travis* Check out Trust & Will: https://trustandwill.com/TRAVISAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Chris Vasquez, a tech investor, founder, and CEO of Quantum, joins Travis Chappell to share his journey from a corporate recruiter to building a powerhouse executive recruiting firm generating $1.5–$2 million in monthly revenue. Chris is known for his innovative approach to scaling startups and his passion for helping founders build world-changing companies. His story is one of relentless self-improvement, bold experimentation, and a deep commitment to mastering his craft.On this episode we talk about:– How Chris transitioned from a corporate job to founding Quantum.– The innovative recruiting model that has helped 300+ startups scale.– Strategies for landing your first clients and building credibility.– The importance of mindset, skill-building, and identity in achieving success.– How Chris turned early struggles into multi-million-dollar opportunities.Top 3 Takeaways1. Master the Basics Before Launching: Chris emphasized the importance of developing strong foundational skills while working for others before transitioning into entrepreneurship.2. Experiment Relentlessly: Success often comes after multiple failures. Chris shared how it took 17 LinkedIn outreach campaigns before landing his first major client—a deal worth $3.5 million annually.3. Identity Drives Success: Your self-perception sets the ceiling for your achievements. By rewiring limiting beliefs and embodying your future self, you can unlock new levels of potential and success.Connect with Chris Vasquez:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-vasquez-66137553Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisvasquez/?hl=enCheck out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/tmf* Check out Sparrow: https://usesparrow.com/travis* Check out Trust & Will: https://trustandwill.com/TRAVISAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Adam Schell is the founder of Brain Supreme, a company specializing in next-level nootropic supplements featuring psilocybin microdosing. With a diverse background spanning from college football to cannabis distribution, Adam's journey led him to develop innovative mushroom-based products for cognitive enhancement and overall well-being.On this episode we talk about:– Adam's entrepreneurial journey from college football to cannabis to mushrooms– The development and benefits of Brain Supreme's psilocybin microdosing products– The science behind psilocybin and its effects on brain function– Target markets and unexpected customer segments for microdosing supplements– The importance of adaptability and skill development in entrepreneurshipTop 3 Takeaways1. Psilocybin microdosing can provide a 5-15% boost in overall efficacy for high-achieving individuals.2. Developing transferable skills and maintaining human relationships are crucial for entrepreneurial success and resilience.3. Psychedelic mushrooms can meet users at their level of need, providing benefits ranging from slight performance improvements to significant mental health support.Connect with Adam Schell:Website: https://brainsupreme.coUse code "Travis" for a discount on your first purchase!Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/tmf* Check out Sparrow: https://usesparrow.com/travis* Check out Trust & Will: https://trustandwill.com/TRAVISAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Brett Beveridge is the President of The Revenue Optimization Companies. Brett is an entrepreneurial, results-driven executive with over 20 years of experience and success in the wireless and technology industries. He has hands-on success in start-ups, profit turnarounds, mergers and acquisitions, IPOs and fundraising and is the driving force behind T-ROC's ambitious growth. This Episode is Sponsored By: Jon Ostenson, Founder of FranBridge Consulting and Top 1% US Franchise Consultant is here to help you explore the world of non-food franchising opportunities today. Jon and his team are part of the largest brokerage in the US and have vetted the market thoroughly. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising. Franbridge Consulting offers five more non-food franchise opportunities in 2024 that you can explore. FranBridge is hands down the premier source of the best opportunities in the non-food franchising world. You can hear more of Jon's story and how he started FranBridge Consulting on Episode 250 of our podcast. Sign up for a free consultation call with Jon today at millionaire-interviews.com/franbridgeconsulting and receive a FREE copy of his new book Non-Food Franchising.   Want to Support the Show? Well we'd love for you to join our Patreon Group!  What's in it for you?  Well you'll instantly get a scheduled call from Austin, where he'll help you with your current or future business... Sign-Up Now at millionaire-interviews.com/patreon.