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This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.thebulwark.comLive from Chicago, Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL break down the latest wave of Trump pardons, the rising authoritarian behavior from GOP leaders, and the Democratic Party's identity crisis. Also, who is the worst (and best?) cabinet member so far, and what comes next?Join Tim and Sarah in DC with John Lovett in June 6th for their Free Andry fundraiser and live show during WorldPride. Tickets and more information at TheBulwark.com/events.Watch, listen, and leave a comment. Use the controls on the the left side of the player to toggle to the free audio-only edition or find the show wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube.This ad-free video version of The Next Level is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. You can add The Next Level to your podcast player of choice, here.
In this episode of Packernet After Dark, we dive into the underappreciated role of the fullback in the Packers' offensive strategy. Speaker 6 passionately defends Green Bay's history of utilizing players like Josiah Deguara and John Lovett in a system that quietly depends on this “tight end” hybrid role. We also dig into a heated debate over the NFL playoff structure—should it reward division wins or reflect true team strength through a record-based system? With discussions on draft value, roster strategy, and the evolving identity of the Packers' offense, this episode delivers both nostalgic insights and bold suggestions for change. To advertise on this podcast please email: ad-sales@libsyn.com Or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/packernetpodcast
In this episode of Packernet After Dark, we dive into the underappreciated role of the fullback in the Packers' offensive strategy. Speaker 6 passionately defends Green Bay's history of utilizing players like Josiah Deguara and John Lovett in a system that quietly depends on this “tight end” hybrid role. We also dig into a heated debate over the NFL playoff structure—should it reward division wins or reflect true team strength through a record-based system? With discussions on draft value, roster strategy, and the evolving identity of the Packers' offense, this episode delivers both nostalgic insights and bold suggestions for change. To advertise on this podcast please email: ad-sales@libsyn.com Or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/packernetpodcast
From the NBA playoffs, a humorous piece by Celtics fan Josh Gondleman. Shaquille O'Neal hints at hosting a roast with a diverse comedian lineup. Conan O'Brien joins Toy Story 5 as a new character, SmartyAnts, with the movie's release set for June 19, 2026. Ricky Gervais and Mike Schur are set to receive stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The episode also reviews Sarah Silverman's new comedy special, ranks the best stand-up specials of 2025 so far, and quotesinterviews with comedians like W. Kamau Bell and Jon Lovitz. Plus, highlights of the Vail Comedy Festival and the release of Shanna Christmas's comedy album 'Highly Intelligent.'00:00 Knicks Town02:48 Shaquille O'Neal's Roast Plans03:48 Conan O'Brien Joins Toy Story 504:27 Ricky Gervais and Mike Schur Honored on Hollywood Walk of Fame06:57 Sarah Silverman's New Special Review07:41 Comedy Specials and Stand-Up Recommendations08:36 W. Kamau Bell's Stand-Up and John Lovett's Comedy Style10:57 Vail Comedy Festival and Shanna Christmas's New Album11:55 Conclusion and Upcoming EpisodesGet the show without ads. Five bucks. For Apple users, hit the banner on your Apple podcasts app which says UNINTERRUPTED LISTENING. For Spotify or other players, visit caloroga.com/plus. Contact John at john@thesharkdeck dot com John's free substack about the media: Media Thoughts is mcdpod.substack.com DCN on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@dailycomedynews https://linktr.ee/dailycomedynews You can also support the show at www.buymeacoffee.com/dailycomedynewsBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/daily-comedy-news--4522158/support.
In the Drop Your Buffs Survivor 47 finale recap, Sean and Evan celebrated Rachel's win while critiquing the predictable format, the fire-making challenge, and Sue's underwhelming age reveal. They lamented the absence of early boots like John Lovett from the finale and called for changes in casting and editing to revive Survivor's character-driven magic. The duo praised Rachel's gameplay but highlighted how modern Survivor's strategy-heavy edit leaves winners less memorable. Speculation on Jeff Probst's scent (Caesar salad?) and a call for the wind-and-fire emoji in honor of Teeny's fire-making struggle kept the recap lively. Join the After Show on Patreon for deeper analysis and even spicier takes! Subscribe to Drop Your Buffs on Patreon for exclusive content. Join the conversation! Find us on Instagram: Drop Your Buffs: @dropyourbuffspod Evan: @evanrosskatz Sean: @soda.pup
Send us a Text Message.What if the key to the next election lies in weed? Join us for a provocative discussion on Donald Trump's surprising call for marijuana decriminalization and what this might mean for single-issue voters and the broader political landscape. We'll also celebrate Maryland's cannabis culture, spotlighting the Maryland Cannabis Association's achievements amidst some laugh-out-loud moments involving John Lovett and Jon Lovitz.Dive into the murky waters of cannabis regulation and social equity as we critique Congress for dodging responsibility and examine how this burden falls on the Department of Justice and the Office of Legal Counsel. Drawing parallels with the gambling and alcohol industries, we highlight the urgent need for federal oversight. You'll get an in-depth look at the challenges businesses face under current hemp guidelines and the inequities within state legalization efforts. Reflecting on cannabis rescheduling, we'll ponder how future administrations might influence the legalization process.Ever wondered about the legal intricacies of synthesized versus natural cannabinoids? We'll unpack the 2020 Farm Bill amendment and its ripple effects, touching on everything from common law principles to privacy concerns in Maine. We wrap up with a candid discussion on the financial and regulatory hurdles cannabis businesses face, the impacts of Schedule 3 reclassification, and the quirky world of cannabis strain names. Plus, don't miss our teaser for next week's potential live broadcast from Minnesota—stay tuned and engage with us for more insightful and entertaining cannabis conversations!Support the Show.
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The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (07/10/2024): 3:05pm- More big names are publicly questioning whether it's in the Democratic Party's best interest to place Joe Biden at the top of their 2024 ticket—including actor George Clooney and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. In a post on X, former Obama Administration speech writer—and co-host of Pod Save America—Jon Lovett explained, “it's hard to deny that in the two weeks since the debate, it's the arrogant and small Joe Biden we've seen most - hanging on, bragging, defensive, angry, weak. Who else but him? he wonders aloud. Only God could change his mind, he tells us. The stakes for the country are all that matter. The stakes for Joe Biden are beside the point. But it's worth saying just the same: Joe Biden can leave office as one of the greatest presidents in our lifetimes, who defeated Trump and put his country first at every turn; or he can leave a stubborn old man who allowed hubris and insecurity to destroy his legacy and perhaps our democracy with it. We all have our best and worst selves, scrambling over each other, battling it out in the moments that define us. Where is the Joe Biden we elected? Where is the statesman? I hope that version of him shows up soon. And I hope the people around him know where to look.” You can read the full statement here: https://x.com/jonlovett/status/1811086031531495457 3:15pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes? 3:35pm- In his latest opinion article for The Wall Street Journal, former Counsel to the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission Charlie Spies writes: “If [President Joe] Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including [Vice President Kamala] Harris.” You can read the full op-ed here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-has-100-million-reasons-to-stay-in-election-finance-d8a2dfdf?mod=opinion_lead_pos5 3:40pm- What on earth did Joe Biden just say about NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg's wife!?!? Poor Mrs. Stoltenberg! According to the official White House transcript, Biden said: “Mr. Secretary, you've guided this alliance through one of the most consequential periods in its history. I realize I—as I was talking to your wife—I personally asked you to extend your service. (Laughs.) Forgive me. (Laughter.)” But that isn't at all what it sounded like… 4:05pm- Caroline Sunshine—Deputy Director of Communications, Donald J. Trump for President—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to preview next week's Republican National Convention and the party's new platform which explicitly promises to prevent World War III. PLUS, she offers a recap of last night's big Trump campaign rally in Doral, Florida where an estimated 45,000 supporters attended. 4:15pm- During Tuesday's campaign rally in Doral, Florida, Donald Trump challenged Joe Biden to 18 rounds of golf—and pledged to donate $1 million to a charity of Biden's choosing if Biden wins. Biden's campaign team quickly rejected the offer. Trump also weighed-in on Biden's health—accusing the White House of engaging in “the biggest cover-up in political history” by hiding the president's quickly diminishing cognitive abilities. 4:35pm- While speaking with MSNBC, Rep. Nancy Pelosi said of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy: “It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run.” Her statement is far from an endorsement. 4:45pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes? 5:05pm- Trump's Vice President Pick: According to Michael C. Bender of The New York Times, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump had hoped to announce his running mate at the Republican National Convention. However, “convention rules require the party to nominate its presidential ticket on Monday, and it would be hard to nominate a ticket that's not yet officially announced. Republicans could vote on a rule change, but that would be just one of many changes that would ripple across the convention program.” Bender continues: “On Saturday, Mr. Trump will visit Butler County, Pa…The location would seem to be an ideal setting to introduce Mr. Vance, the former venture capitalist and best-selling author of “Hillbilly Elegy.” Another potential hint: One of the closest Ohio towns to Butler County is East Palestine, where Mr. Vance and Mr. Trump teamed up in February 2023 to criticize the Biden administration's response to a train derailment that forced residents to evacuate and escape toxic chemicals.” You can read the full article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/us/politics/trump-running-mate-finale.html 5:20pm- On Wednesday, The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro testified before the House Judiciary Committee condemning government influence on social media platforms. 5:25pm- On a recent episode of his podcast, NBC's Chuck Todd conceded that two years ago a Biden Administration cabinet official told him that Joe Biden can't possibly run again due to health impairments. 5:30pm- In a video acquired by TMZ, George Stephanopoulos can be heard saying that he doesn't believe Joe Biden has the ability to serve as president for another four years. Last week, Stephanopoulos conducted a longform interview with Biden. 5:45pm- Luke Rosiak of The Daily Wire reports: “The Department of Human Services has lost at least 85,000 children who crossed the border illegally as ‘unaccompanied minors' after placing them with ‘sponsors' who may be trafficking the children into prostitution or forced labor, according to multiple government whistleblowers who laid out the process to a Senate panel Tuesday.” You can read the full article here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/whistleblowers-detail-how-85000-unaccompanied-minors-went-missing-after-biden-admin-dropped-them-off-with-sponsors?topStoryPosition=2 6:05pm- Ryan Saavedra of The Daily Wire writes: “White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday that a Parkinson's disease doctor who visited the White House in January did, in fact, meet with President Joe Biden, correcting a false claim she had made the day before. Jean-Pierre had been asked whether a meeting on January 17 between White House physician Dr. Kevin O'Connor and neurologist Dr. Kevin Cannard, revealed by White House visitor logs, was related to Biden. The AP reported that it was the only visit the two had, at least on paper, between July 2023 and March 2024. That period came into focus because Cannard had visited the White House eight times during that span.” You can read the full article here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/karine-jean-pierre-falsely-claimed-parkinsons-doctor-didnt-meet-biden-in-january 6:20pm- More big names are publicly questioning whether it's in the Democratic Party's best interest to place Joe Biden at the top of their 2024 ticket—including actor George Clooney and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. In a post on X, former Obama Administration speech writer—and co-host of Pod Save America—Jon Lovett explained, “it's hard to deny that in the two weeks since the debate, it's the arrogant and small Joe Biden we've seen most - hanging on, bragging, defensive, angry, weak. Who else but him? he wonders aloud. Only God could change his mind, he tells us. The stakes for the country are all that matter. The stakes for Joe Biden are beside the point. But it's worth saying just the same: Joe Biden can leave office as one of the greatest presidents in our lifetimes, who defeated Trump and put his country first at every turn; or he can leave a stubborn old man who allowed hubris and insecurity to destroy his legacy and perhaps our democracy with it. We all have our best and worst selves, scrambling over each other, battling it out in the moments that define us. Where is the Joe Biden we elected? Where is the statesman? I hope that version of him shows up soon. And I hope the people around him know where to look.” You can read the full statement here: https://x.com/jonlovett/status/1811086031531495457 6:30pm- An annoying neighbor called the cops on an 8-year-old girl for riding her bike outside! You can read the full article here: https://reason.com/2024/07/10/cops-called-on-8-year-old-child-for-being-outside/ 6:40pm- Ben Affleck ruins everything. Plus, donors are no longer answering the phone for Joe Biden!
The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 1: 3:05pm- More big names are publicly questioning whether it's in the Democratic Party's best interest to place Joe Biden at the top of their 2024 ticket—including actor George Clooney and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. In a post on X, former Obama Administration speech writer—and co-host of Pod Save America—Jon Lovett explained, “it's hard to deny that in the two weeks since the debate, it's the arrogant and small Joe Biden we've seen most - hanging on, bragging, defensive, angry, weak. Who else but him? he wonders aloud. Only God could change his mind, he tells us. The stakes for the country are all that matter. The stakes for Joe Biden are beside the point. But it's worth saying just the same: Joe Biden can leave office as one of the greatest presidents in our lifetimes, who defeated Trump and put his country first at every turn; or he can leave a stubborn old man who allowed hubris and insecurity to destroy his legacy and perhaps our democracy with it. We all have our best and worst selves, scrambling over each other, battling it out in the moments that define us. Where is the Joe Biden we elected? Where is the statesman? I hope that version of him shows up soon. And I hope the people around him know where to look.” You can read the full statement here: https://x.com/jonlovett/status/1811086031531495457 3:15pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes? 3:35pm- In his latest opinion article for The Wall Street Journal, former Counsel to the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission Charlie Spies writes: “If [President Joe] Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including [Vice President Kamala] Harris.” You can read the full op-ed here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-has-100-million-reasons-to-stay-in-election-finance-d8a2dfdf?mod=opinion_lead_pos5 3:40pm- What on earth did Joe Biden just say about NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg's wife!?!? Poor Mrs. Stoltenberg! According to the official White House transcript, Biden said: “Mr. Secretary, you've guided this alliance through one of the most consequential periods in its history. I realize I—as I was talking to your wife—I personally asked you to extend your service. (Laughs.) Forgive me. (Laughter.)” But that isn't at all what it sounded like…
The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 2: 4:05pm- Caroline Sunshine—Deputy Director of Communications, Donald J. Trump for President—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to preview next week's Republican National Convention and the party's new platform which explicitly promises to prevent World War III. PLUS, she offers a recap of last night's big Trump campaign rally in Doral, Florida where an estimated 45,000 supporters attended. 4:15pm- During Tuesday's campaign rally in Doral, Florida, Donald Trump challenged Joe Biden to 18 rounds of golf—and pledged to donate $1 million to a charity of Biden's choosing if Biden wins. Biden's campaign team quickly rejected the offer. Trump also weighed-in on Biden's health—accusing the White House of engaging in “the biggest cover-up in political history” by hiding the president's quickly diminishing cognitive abilities. 4:35pm- While speaking with MSNBC, Rep. Nancy Pelosi said of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy: “It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run.” Her statement is far from an endorsement. 4:45pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes?
Tommy and Ben discuss the “Peace Summit” held in Switzerland for the war in Ukraine and the glaring problem of Russia's absence, Putin's first visit to North Korea in 24 years and why this growing alliance is a troubling development, and the news that Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich will stand trial next week in Russia on espionage charges. They also talk about Netanyahu disbanding his war cabinet, analysts warning of increasing terror threats to the United States because of the war in Gaza, devastating polling for Emmanuel Macron ahead of a snap election in France, protests in Argentina in response to reforms pushed through by Javier Milei, and the Pope doing influencer outreach by inviting comedians to the Vatican. Then, Ben speaks with Rep. Ilhan Omar about her letter to President Biden asking for a humanitarian parole program for Sudanese refugees.Finally, don't miss Ben and Tommy discussing how they got into careers in politics – something Tommy, Jon Favreau and John Lovett suggest others do in their new book, Democracy or Else. Pre-order Democracy or Else, out June 25th: crooked.com/books
Join us for the latest episode of "UFL Week In Review" as we delve deep into the exciting developments leading up to the 2024 UFL season, just 71 days away! This episode covers the comprehensive breakdown of the UFL Dispersal Draft 2024, showcasing the full list of players selected by each team. We're also tracking the migration of several USFL and XFL players as they move north post-draft. A major highlight is the UFL's expansion in North Texas, including the relocation of the San Antonio Brahmas and Michigan Panthers. In our Notes Section, we bring you quick updates on key player movements and strategic changes across the league: Robert Nkemdiche's new journey with the DC Defenders, John Lovett's potential impact on the Brahmas, insights from Anthony Becht on A.J. McCarron and UFL rules, Jonathan Hayes's new role at Moeller High, and more. Plus, the latest from the Fantasy site and the upcoming UFL News Hub Mobile app. Stay tuned as we answer your emails and questions, including this week's hot topic: Which team boasts the best roster currently? For more detailed show notes, visit UFL Podcast Show Notes. For alternate football discussions, check out Alt Football Reddit, and don't miss out on the fantasy football action at News Hub Fantasy. Remember to subscribe to our channel on YouTube, iTunes, and Spotify. You can also reach us at podcast@uflnewshub.com or call 888-437-7692 ext 3 for your thoughts and queries!
Oceans, rivers and lakes are chockful of thousands of underwater plants and algae collectively described as seaweed. Demand for seaweed — kelp, specifically — has exploded as scientists have confirmed its dietary benefits and its potential as a tool in the fight against climate change. "Seaweeds have a variety of nutrients and minerals and anti-inflammatory properties that you just can't get from typical land plants," Scott Lindell, research specialist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, told Under the Radar. "Food processing companies are finding ways to integrate seaweed, kelp in particular, into products that Americans are familiar with. There are kelp burgers out there which are vegan and some of the best vegetarian burgers I've ever had." There are now seaweed farms from Alaska to Massachusetts, including Duxbury Sugar Kelp of Duxbury, Mass. Owner-operator, John Lovett, said one reason he got into the business was to explore the environmental impacts of kelp: "I really wanted to... be on the forefront of learning about [kelp], to be able to innovate some of the systems that we use to grow it and really to help other farmers understand the impact that they, too, can have on the environment." From food to biofuel and everything in between, some experts believe this billion-year-old algae is the wave of the future. A new exhibit about seaweed aims to capture part of that excitement. "One of the biggest things that I hope people walk away from the exhibition thinking about is that seaweed is a lot more than they may have known," Naomi Slipp, chief curator at the New Bedford Whaling Museum and curator of "A Singularly Marine & Fabulous Produce: the Cultures of Seaweed". "One of the fun things about having the exhibit up has been engaging in these conversations around contemporary applications for seaweed and its potential for the future." GUESTS Scott Lindell, research specialist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution John Lovett, owner-operator of Duxbury Sugar Kelp Naomi Slipp, chief curator at the New Bedford Whaling Museum
We are back for the last 10 episodes of Rubberneckers. Today we have the Forrest Gump of entertainment, the best kept secret in podcasting, Christian Bladt as a guest. hands down in the top 3 of our guests. Thanks for putting up with us Christian. Welcome to A.I. summary of “The Natural State” episode of Rubberneckers. In today's episode titled "The Natural State," we have a special guest Christian Bladt joining us. Strap in, because we've got quite the ride ahead! Christian starts off the episode by recounting a story about Dennis Miller's time on Monday Night Football. How Dennis scored a gig. Dennis did the job for a solid year with Al Michaels and Dan Faust, but then got replaced by none other than John Madden. Christian reflects on the decision, acknowledging that Madden is a better fit for football, but wonders if the same scenario would play out differently in another context. Now, let's talk about Christian's podcast, The Bladtcast. He's been in the game for a whopping ten years! That's some serious dedication. He proudly shares that he's had some incredible guests on the show, including the likes of John Lovett, Dana Carvey, and Dennis Miller. And get this, he even manages to score interviews with musicians! Christian recalls his surprising chat with Don McLean, the legendary singer behind "American Pie," and how it made him feel like he was doing something right. If you're hungry for more content, Christian also has a YouTube channel where you can catch the audio version of his podcast. And wait, there's more! He's part of another show called "Who Are These Broadcasters" alongside Carl Hamburger and Eric Zane every Tuesday. Christian expresses how honored he is to work with Carl, who's super supportive and wants to help the show grow. Can we get a round of applause for that kind of friendship? Now, let's shift gears and talk politics. Christian and the gang discuss their take on the political landscape, but they take a unique approach. Rather than solely criticizing politicians, they aim to find the funny aspects of it all. Because let's face it, funny is funny, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. They even share a hilarious Family Guy clip where Dennis watches an HBO show and gets his words hilariously mixed up. Of course, not everyone is a fan of Dennis. Christian explains that throughout his career, opinions on Dennis have been divided. But love him or hate him, he's not afraid to be himself, which is a quality that Christian appreciates. The conversation takes an unexpected turn as they mention a playful joke about Bob Barker getting as close as he could to 100 without going over after his death. And Christian's Joke, when Bob Barker passed he heard, “Come on Down!” Just writing this joke cost me $100.00. To wrap things up, they address a few Reddit comments and express gratitude for the support they receive. They understand that they can only be themselves and acknowledge that it may not resonate with everyone. But hey, that's all part of the broadcasting game, right? Well, folks, that's all for today's episode of Rubberneckers. We hope you enjoyed the ride with our fabulous guest Christian Bladt. Follow Us https://www.facebook.com/rubberneckers20 https://twitter.com/RubberneckerPod https://www.twitch.tv/rubberneckerspodcast https://discord.gg/nYwz8e8Wwr Check Out Our Other Shows Po Boys Brand X Boomer Bunker Christian's Links
Alan Saunders and Zachary Smith are back for another episode of Steelers Afternoon Drive. They discuss the team signing Xazavian Valladay and releasing John Lovett. They also talk about how the team can find explosive offense in the run game and then get into the day's practice. The offense and defense went toe to toe in 7 shots, prompting Mike Tomlin to have the 7th shot come down to 1s vs 1s. Is Dylan Cook a sleeper to make the 53? Is Spencer Anderson in contention for the backup center role? Did we give Kenny Pickett enough credit for his preseason performance? Hop in and let's take another ride on the Steelers Afternoon Drive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
“Bleav in Steelers” host Ike Taylor explains what he's seen at Saint Vincent College during Pittsburgh Steelers training camp in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Taylor tells fellow host Mark Bergin about the development of quarterback Kenny Pickett as he enters his second NFL season. Taylor also explains what he's seen from All-Pro safety Minkah Fitzpatrick after a return from an excused absence. Bergin shares his observations from the Steelers' first depth chart of the 2023 season. The team has no rookie starters to start the season. Also, Kwon Alexander is listed as a second-string linebacker behind Cole Holcomb and Elandon Roberts Taylor also shares thoughts on Chandon Sullivan at the nickleback position. Also, keep an eye on the return competition between Calvin Austin III and Gunner Olszewski. Plus, there is a punter competition between Pressley Harvin III and Braden Mann. Bergin is way about the Steelers' use of Kendrick Green as a fullback. The guys also discuss what Taylor did during his downtime at training camp. Plus, the guys preview what to watch for with the Steelers during their first preseason game on Friday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Bergin is watching to see who emerges as a third-string running back between Anthony McFarland Jr., Darius Hagans, Greg Bell and John Lovett. Taylor is watching the rookies in the 2023 class. On Saturday night, Taylor will also be part of 412 Celebrity Night when the Pittsburgh Riverhounds Soccer Club host the Hartford Athletic at Highmark Stadium in Station Square. Follow Ike Taylor on social media: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Threads Follow Mark Bergin on social media: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Threads Ike Taylor Swaggin U' T-shirts: Tap here Taylor Talkin' T-shirts: Tap here
Join us for a trip down memory lane as we discuss who deserves a spot in the SNL Hall of Fame with our panel of former guests, Brad, Dave, and Will! Hear their thoughts on this season's candidates, with Brad kicking off the conversation with his number one pick - the legendary John Belushi.From debating the comedic stylings of Belushi, Bill Murray, and Dana Carvey, to discussing the merits of newer SNL icons like Dave Chappelle, Justin Timberlake, and Maya Rudolph, our panelists offer insightful opinions on the lasting impact these cast members have on the show. They also touch on the early years of SNL and how its pioneers shaped the show into the cultural phenomenon it is today.But don't worry - we don't just cover the A-listers. Listen in as we discuss underrated gems like Jane Curtin, Jan Hooks, and even controversial figures like Dick Ebersol. Plus, we weigh in on whether musical guests like Beyonce and Miley Cyrus deserve a spot in the SNL Hall of Fame. Grab your headphones and join us for a nostalgia-filled, laughter-inducing, and enlightening roundtable discussion!Chapters(0:00:08) - SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable Discussion(0:08:21) - SNL Hall of Fame Candidates(0:13:35) - Debating SNL Hall of Fame Candidates(0:24:56) - SNL Hall of Fame Picks(0:34:02) - SNL Hall of Fame Ballot Discussion(0:45:44) - SNL Hall of Fame Nominations(0:54:11) - SNL Hall of Fame Inductees Discussion(1:07:04) - Debating SNL Hall of Fame Nominees(1:15:37) - Suggesting Musical Guests for SNLTranscript0:00:08 - Speaker 1It's the SNL Hall of Fame podcast with your host, jamie Dube, chief librarian Thomas Senna, and featuring Matt Ardill At now. Curator of the Hall, jamie Dube. 0:00:41 - Speaker 2Hi everyone, welcome to the Saturday Night Live Hall of Fame. I am your guest host for this roundtable, matt Ardill, and it is my pleasure to be hosting an amazing panel of former guests who are going to share their votes for this season's set of candidates going to the Saturday Night Live Hall of Fame. So what we'll do is we'll go around and we'll have everybody introduce themselves. Brad, if you want to start. 0:01:12 - Speaker 3Hi, i'm Brad Robinson from the Not Ready for Primetime podcast. Happy to be here, dave. 0:01:19 - Speaker 4I'm Dave Buckman. I own Coldtown Theater in Austin, texas. I'm a second city alum, boom, chicago alum and general podcast panelist for Saturday Night Live related podcasts. 0:01:33 - Speaker 5It's Dave and Will. Yes, hi, I'm Will Norman and I'm just also an SNL enthusiast and podcast guest here on the Hall of Fame Network. I've been on the Was Only Beyonce episode. I'm just excited to talk with all of you today about this season's nominees. Thanks for having me. 0:01:48 - Speaker 2Great, and what are we all expecting tonight, like? what kind of result, what kind of conversation? I mean, i know I'm spending a fun time, i think it's going to be an interesting combination of opinions here, but what are you all expecting for tonight? 0:02:05 - Speaker 4I'm expecting to have my mind changed on a couple of people. I have more than 15 on my ballot, so I need to be talked off the ledge for a couple of weeks. 0:02:18 - Speaker 3I'm interested to see where the conversation goes old versus new. My ballot's fairly full and it's fairly full with returning nominees and older nominees, so I'm excited to see if I can convince some people to keep these old timers on the ballot. 0:02:36 - Speaker 5I'm expecting an all out blood bath tonight. I guess I might be. Maybe that won't be the case, maybe not be the case, but I'm on the opposite of Dave, where I used about 13 of my votes. I'm still kind of on the. I guess I'm kind of on that border with a few of them and actually just want to have a conversation to see who I might be overlooking and who some of those votes might go to. with returning nominees and first ballot people, i'm excited to see where the conversation goes today. 0:03:03 - Speaker 2So we'll use 13. What made you land at that number? Why did you hold back a couple? 0:03:12 - Speaker 5So I ended up leaving my ballot at 13 because there's a lot of other candidates that were first ballot or returning nominees that I feel like I needed a little bit more time and was actually hoping to get some conversation with the panelists here today to just kind of see where I may have overlooked someone besides, just kind of speaking to my own biases, to see if I could be educated on some people that I might have overlooked that deserve to be in those final two spots. 0:03:35 - Speaker 2Awesome, Dave. how many votes did you use and what was your logic? 0:03:41 - Speaker 4I used all 17. Even though we're only allowed to have 15. 0:03:47 - Speaker 2So could it be some editing on the fly kind of thing going on, Yeah? 0:03:50 - Speaker 4I'm going to have to really I'm going to need Will and Brad to kind of like tell me why somebody doesn't deserve to be on there, because I mean I could have honestly, i could have picked 25 out of these 30. It was very, very hard to get to where I am now and I'm looking at it. I just don't mean how do I, how? the people I have on my bubble are just legendary. So how do you, how do you cut them from that ballot? I don't even know how to like rank them if I was going to. So that's where I'm at. 0:04:22 - Speaker 2And. 0:04:22 - Speaker 3Brad, i'm a bit more like Will. I've got 14 selections. 11 of them are pretty solid. I've got actually 12 because one of them is the musical guest my one musical guest vote. So I've got a couple that I'm on the fence to hear about, and I left an empty spot to see if, you know, someone can convince me. 0:04:40 - Speaker 2I like you, brad, chose 14. I have one where I'm like, oh, like this, last time I did this I filled all 15. Then afterwards I was like, oh, you know, that was a really strong case, but I cast my vote and I'm going to have to stand by it And I'm going to be the one to let somebody convince me at the end of how I'm going to vote. So it makes it for an interesting conversation. Create some stakes when we're doing that Terrific. Okay, well, what we'll do again. Like well, i'll just start working my way around the, around the ring here, and why don't we just start naming off our, our picks? So, brad, do you want to start us off? 0:05:23 - Speaker 3My number one pick is John Belushi Easy pick. If you've heard our podcast, i'm a huge John Belushi fan, saturday Night Live and otherwise and he's hands down my number one pick between iconic characters, great impressions, legendary sketches, does it all, plays himself And you know, in addition to Dan, the first cast members to ever be featured on the show in another role while they were cast members, when him and Dan were musical guests as well, they were the first cast members to actually be shown, showcased in another light as well. So John Belushi is my number one. 0:06:02 - Speaker 2I watched a lot of those very early episodes at an entirely inappropriate age. So you know, i got to know his work really young and he made me laugh then and he still makes me laugh now. I mean, i think I rewatched just recently the Star Trek sketch And it's just that the impersonation that he does of Shatner is hilarious And it's just like it. Just it shows a range that a lot of people especially now as there's been distance from his work people don't credit it with, like they think Animal House and this loud ruckus character. But he had a lot more to him And, yeah, i can totally understand that. 0:06:44 - Speaker 3Yeah, he has a lot more to him, especially in season one. You know he does his Shatner impression. He's got his Marlon Brando impression, the Joe Cocker impression that he does in episode three. I still will put up against anything that's been done in the last 50 years on that show And even stuff you forget, like we've been going back, we've been watching the old Land Shark sketches and he does a Richard Dreyfuss impression which is amazingly great. It's surprisingly good. I don't even remember it, it's so good. So it's even the small stuff. And then, before he gets big, that season one is great watching John because he plays very childish and like impish sort of scenes where, like by season three, that's all gone because he is, he's full blown Belushi by that point. So it's it's. He definitely has a range And if you've watched from the beginning through, you see that whole arc. 0:07:28 - Speaker 5Any other 70 thoughts on Belushi, belushi was near the top of my list as well. I mean, i think it's impossible to tell the story of SNL without mentioning Belushi and his contributions, so obviously taken away too soon. 0:07:42 - Speaker 4I did not put Belushi on my ballot. Maybe in future ballots, perhaps when he stacked up against fourth or fifth rounders, but Belushi never hit me Well. I love little chocolate donuts, i love the Blues Brothers, i love the Marlon Brando impression, i love the Joe Cocker impression, but I don't think that he was much of a team player. I think he was very much about Belushi and Belushi's goals for the show And a lot of his humor hit me is very angry and aggressive rather than funny, and I just that's not my kind of humor. I feel the same way about Michael Adonahue. It just it's not. It was funny, i think, to me when I was 12 or 13, but I think I've grown. I've grown out of that style of humor And I also love Animal House and I love all of his movies too. But when stacked up against some of these other folks, i think their contributions to the genre of Saturday Night Live there's better contributions out there. 0:08:47 - Speaker 3I'll try to argue him in this a little bit. I hear what you're saying with his comedy coming from anger and I do agree it definitely gets there. But if you look at the early seasons, one and two especially, i don't think he's gotten there yet. You know, the Joe Cocker, the Marlon Brando impression is amazing. The Star Trek scene both of the elite cool, are great. His Beethoven impression, the Richard Dreyfus that I mentioned, little chocolate donuts There's so much stuff he does the samurai character that lead up to him getting to that point. I think once he becomes what we've come to know as John Belushi, i agree with you a bit that it does get a bit edgy. Edgy's the wrong word. It does get a bit angry. It does come from that place and it's not as genuinely funny. But to Will's point, i don't know how you talk about Saturday Night Live without John Belushi, without seeing him in the B outfit, without seeing him in the samurai, without seeing him behind the counter of Olympia restaurant, not being Jake Blues, him and Akaroid together final days sketch. there's just so much of those first four years that if you don't have John Belushi I don't know what happens. Season one's all about Chevy. Chevy leaves and Bill Murray didn't jump right out of the gate as blowing the doors off the place, and John really helped keep that together until Bill found his voice. I mean not just John alone, john and Dan and all of them, but John Belushi is a key, key factor as to how we made it from the Chevy Chase era to the Bill Murray era and that show exploding into the zeitgeist of comedy. 0:10:15 - Speaker 2It's a strong argument. It's an interesting case. This is the fun of the round table We get to hear the different points and counter points. So, dave, do you want to share your first pick? 0:10:30 - Speaker 4My first pick is Bill Murray. Bill Murray is, for me, the consummate sketch performer. He basically owned Season 4 and 5. He's come back to host so many times and kind of just lift the crowd and the cast and the show with him every time he comes back. His contributions, beyond his four years in the show you know he set a tone for the kind of cast member A he's the first new hire you know, for all its purposes the first feature performer And just the kind of person that's in every sketch. you know, setting that archetype of like that Phil Hartman, that Bill Murray, will Ferrell, somebody who's just going to consistently get in there every single sketch and destroy and even make bad scenes better just by being in them. And his characters are just so many, so many to mention. you know, from the nerd sketch to Nick the Louncing singer, to his time on the Weekend Update desk doing Oscar picks. There's just so many iconic things that you can point back to Bill Murray which would absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. 0:11:42 - Speaker 2Anybody else? vote for Bill Murray. 0:11:46 - Speaker 3He's my number two. I can't argue with anything. Dave said He's my number two pick Again. I mentioned it before like he had a rough coming in after Chevy. You know Chevy left and he didn't jump right into the spotlight so it took him time. He took the reins and he ran with it and you know he didn't really have that many impressions but didn't need to. Like Dave said, his sketches are great. His characters are great. He held down Weekend Update. There's a lot of anger behind Bill Murray. I'm just going to say He's got that drive in him a little bit as well. Just to relay my John Belushi point. But no Bill. 0:12:15 - Speaker 4Murray. But no, dave, i mean again, but he's impish, he's got like. 0:12:19 - Speaker 3He plays it off much better He does. 0:12:21 - Speaker 4But no, I add him right there. 0:12:22 - Speaker 3Number two with Dave. Same thing You can't talk SNL without Bill Murray, Will any thoughts? 0:12:27 - Speaker 5Yeah. So I think I'm probably going to hop into Dave's camp here and say that Bill Murray is not on my Hall of Fame ballot, so yeah, so I'll explain. I still have two spots left, so it's not definitive. But the reason why is so? I will start by saying that Groundhog Day is one of my favorite movies of all time. I love Bill Murray, but I was worried that I was fading a lot of my feelings about Bill Murray, his post-SNL career versus Jesse down the show. Obviously, most respect to Nick the lounge singer, his work on the update. Also now that one point time he had the obviously innovative for the time, his plea to the viewers and kind of saying hey, i'm new on the show, i don't know if it's actually really working, like, can you guys like write in and, you know, give me some support. And I think kind of even in that, even though it's obviously very innovative, just the fact that he was kind of in that spot, i think about it as a Hall of Fame or someone who is just to me like, are they Hall of Fame or not? I think he was obviously great on the show at the time, but just wondering if I was shading him a little bit too much with my fandom of him post-show, but I think it has made some very compelling arguments. Like I said that early not the one to John Belushi, but, like I said, there's still some wiggle room. So maybe I've overlooked Bill. But just to make it on my first cut of the first view. 0:13:38 - Speaker 2I'll admit, he's not on my list either. Now. I mean, i know, i know, but I love Ghostbusters, i love Grand Hog Day, i love his work in the show, I love his work after the show. But again, it was like it was one of those things where I'm like am I letting this, like the these things that I loved as a kid outside of the show, shade my opinion there? But also I'm like I was trying to balance it out where I'm like not choosing all of these big names and choosing like, just choosing different people And it's like, but, but I have one, i have one, so he's definitely. You know, dave and Brad made good points. When I come to the end, i don't know He's, he's, he's in there. He's in there as, like my baby. Now, will, who did you? who's your first pick? 0:14:29 - Speaker 5So my first pick at the top of my list was Dana Carvey. So for me Dana Carvey, master impressionist, obviously had some iconic characters. He did obviously a great push, a Bush impression. I think most people who impersonate George W Bush are doing an impersonation of Dana Carvey doing Bush. You got Church Lady. I obviously have Garth from Wayne's World, garth Algarso. He has an iconic character on the show as well. That went on to other things And I just think when you think about the, when you think about some of the all timers, we look at the cast members that we love for the Hall of Fame. They are people who can do it all that can carry a sketch, that can do impressions, that can do characters, original characters that get along with the cast, that have things that outlast their time on the show. And I think we don't be looking at the Hall of Fame. You know it's easy to kind of. We just talked about a shading things with, like someone's post career Versus what they did on the show, but we're ice-litting just to someone's timeline. Snl I don't think that there's a time in the future of SNL's existence that someone couldn't mention Wayne's World and Wouldn't be. You know, no Notable as an else. A sketch isn't that special. You know Bush impressions like I'm no data Carby so I'm not gonna do those impressions, but I think it's. It's very hard to say he's not probably one of the best cast members ever come through and During his time in the show and I think he just made it a great impression and so he was no top of my list. 0:15:57 - Speaker 2Anybody else vote for Dana. 0:16:00 - Speaker 4Dana's at the bottom of my bubble. He's somebody that I'm like, i want to put on that list because how him, how He's like the perfect cast member. It's just somebody who's always gonna have fun and be likeable and Come up and come in with characters every weekend, week out. I think a lot of his material doesn't hold up so much. Some of the writings just feels weaker compared to modern-day sketch comedy writing. But he can't deny his level of Talent and just like he was just built for that, for that show. But I I don't know if I don't know if Wally of going back and watching his stuff holds up against some of the other folks On this list. 0:16:49 - Speaker 2Brad, do you? 0:16:49 - Speaker 3have any thoughts. I've got him at number three On my ballot. He is probably, pound for pound, i think, one of the best performers the show's ever had. As will said impressions. I don't know if there's one he can't do bush, our Johnny Carson, car, senio, characters, church at Hans and Franz waning garth. So I mean, right right there, his resume is amazing. He's one of the first guys who would take a cold open and sit by himself in front of the camera for seven minutes and open the show by himself. And I like to look at it at you, look at each era of Saturday night live and where they stood in that era. So you got to remember Dana Carvey showed up Lawrence second year When he came back after his return and the show was not in a good place and that cast is really the reason that that SNL Exists today is guys like Dana Carvey, mike Myers, dennis Miller, john Lovett's, jan Hooks, nor done that cast pulled it Through and Dana Carvey, right off the gate with like chopping broccoli and church chat in the first four or five episodes of That season is just vital for not only that season But the next four or five, six years that he was on that show keeping Sarah night and I have relevant funny hip and Continuing he's on my list as well, just for that. 0:18:03 - Speaker 2I mean, to be fair, that's also like my high school era SNL. So I mean I feel like that. That always kind of burns itself into your, your emotional psyche. So like him and Mike Myers and all of that crew From that era, or just really emotionally important to me, but also like, just like even his little stupid stuff, like the chopping broccoli sketch. It's just such a silly little premise but he Pulls it off in a way that it never becomes stupid, never becomes like okay, we get it. He says I'm chopping broccoli over and over again, let's move on, it just remains fresh. He knows how to keep the, the, the tightness, that's the tension, just right, and And he I found he brought that to like everything. So he is on my list as well. Awesome choice, awesome choice. I am just gonna go by alphabetical order because I can't wait These people. It's so too difficult that that's a level of emotional investment I'm not ready to to give. But I'm gonna start with Amy polar. She is, she is on my list. She's just such a like Dana Carvey, like a workhorse. She would show up for a sketch. She would give it her all. You know it's, it's, it's that massachusetts upbringing kind of thing, like where she she just Fights and goes, and I mean you can see it in like her entire career with like UCB and and all of these other projects that she's. She's lifted from the ground up. When she attacked a sketch She really put all of her energy into it. And I mean like, yeah, these great characters like Betty Caruso, where it's just like she has a way of grounding, even her silly characters, where, you know, bronx beat is just such a silly concept But it never veers into the realm of like coffee talk with Mike Myers when he did coffee talk, where it's just like, okay, this is just a little bit too silly, especially now that Barbara Streisand this showed up. It's just, it just remains true to the premise and Yeah, so that that was my first vote anybody else I agree. 0:20:23 - Speaker 4I mean Amy's on my ballot as well. I think there's Some power. She is just a dynamo, a force to be reckoned with. You know, caitlyn's one of my all-time favorite characters and her stint on we can update is Exemplary. Paired with Seth and with Tina, she had a rough couple first episodes but then just Dominated we can update for many years. I love her characters, i love her energy. I love her Just her general energy and attitude towards comedy and lifting other people up through positivity. And And Bronx beat again also one of my all-time favorites. So Amy Poehler for sure belongs to be the whole thing. 0:21:07 - Speaker 5Yeah, i would. I would agree. She was, like I said, probably I guess number two or so on my list. They said also just an all-time cast member in that like lineage of You know, kristen Wiig and just kind of that dynamo, like that's there throughout the time at the time on the show and They said she has some great characters. Or Sir Hillary Clinton is like the original, like I said, she's just very dependable. There's just those cast members that show up in a sketchy note. It's gonna be good, they're gonna get, but they're all and I just feel like she was one of them And just to me like a no questions asked, first ballahalla famer. 0:21:39 - Speaker 3I do not have her on my ballot, i do not think she's the first time ballot Hall of Famer, but Uh, you guys talk a lot in the podcast. What's a recency bias? I'm probably. Whatever the opposite of that is. So I don't. I don't think I have anybody on my ballot as a first-time nominee. That is Post 1990 something. I think she'll get in eventually, but I there's a lot of other people I think are more deserving to get in, whose time's running out almost. So I didn't vote for Amy Poehler Cuz. I think she'll get in eventually, but I don't think she's first-timer for me. 0:22:11 - Speaker 2Why don't we switch directions will? do you want to share your next choice there? 0:22:17 - Speaker 5Yeah, sure. So I would say next is another first ballot Hall of Famer, but I think has a pretty long tenure. Be mr Christopher walkin Was one of my taught, near top of my list. I think that we look at all the All-time hosts on the show, i think walkin's definitely up there. Obviously it's hosted a lot over his time in his tenure. He has had some notable characters and some great sketches. Is the continental I think I was obviously great sketch his Colonel Angus sketch still makes me laugh and then Tribial, psychic, you know, i think, just the hilarious premise that he just executes to perfection. So it's just. I feel like walking is one of those guys who came on and obviously he was very Easy along the cast and talk about being a team player. When I'm thinking about hosts, people that have been on the show, that are in that, that world, it's You know how able, how are you able to enter like, be within the cast, not just kind of on the outskirts let them do their thing, but really ingratiate yourself to the cat, have your own memorable sketches and and have almost recurring thing, have recurring sketches that Make me think if it weren't for your life outside of ethanol, you could have easily been a cat member, and that's kind of tough to give a host, and not over the cat's members that are there grinding it out every week, over every week but he just feels like someone who once again is is up, up to nominate. I think he's just been a great, great host and I thought that he deserves to get into the whole thing. 0:23:40 - Speaker 2Anybody else vote for Christopher walk. 0:23:43 - Speaker 4He's on my bubble. I don't haven't cut him yet, i know, certainly participating in cowbell and the centaur sketch and sense of sketch and Continental and yeah, all those, just wonderful, just being game for anything. And just I was listening to a couple of his Scenes before the show tonight and just his two handers, which is him and somebody else, going back and forth, is just beauty he has. His rhythm is perfect, his deadpan is perfect, he is game for anything and it's, you know, out of all the people that just reads cue cards, i mean, does anybody do it better than Christopher walk in? no, i don't think so. I think he's one of the all-time best hosts and I wish they'd, i wish they'd bring him back Just once, just one more time. But yeah, i mean he'll probably be on my ballot. I don't see why he wouldn't be, Because I don't think he's gonna. He would be bumped by anybody else on this list. So, sure, he's on my ballot. I'm gonna call it right now. 0:24:48 - Speaker 3Awesome, awesome, brad. Any thoughts? I do not have him on my ballot. He is a great host. He's a fantastic host. I only have one host Cemented on my ballot to on my bubble, but again, he's one of those people where I think I feel like Maybe not first-time ballot, but I can see him definitely in the future. 0:25:08 - Speaker 2He was on my list. I think the thing that put him over the top I mean it was the, the Christmas carol where he's reading it to the kids It was just like it was so dark and so weird and nobody else could pull that off, except for Christopher walkin. It was just like perfect, i have to feel it's like he's. He's almost like a train foddle man, like song song and dance man Came up like during my trivia I talked about how he was hired to dance with Liza Manelli by her mom at A birthday party. Like it's just like he's such a weird human being on so many levels And it's just, it's like it forged him into this perfect. You know you don't get many of those hosts, but those ones that are just make the perfect fit And that's sort of I feel he fits in well. Next up, dave. Who's next on your list? 0:26:09 - Speaker 4The next person on my list is Jan hooks. Jan hooks, to me, is my just Top, top performer. I think she's my number two favorite cast member of all time. She has Such a grace to her but also a little bit of smarm to her Maybe one of the best actresses to ever be on on the show, actors to ever be on the show. Her commitment to The moment is unparallel. She can play heartbreaking. She can play Goofy. She can play straight. She is Maybe one of the best utility players they've ever had, somebody who can do characters, do normal people and Just take Whatever you've given, whatever you've written for her, to another level of humanity, which is brings a three-dimensional Shape to a sketch that a lot of people can't deliver. So I would watch Jan hooks do anything. Rest in peace. And she's by far my Yes. 0:27:23 - Speaker 3Any other votes, Yes. Oh, slam dunk. She's one of my other like slam dunk picks for this, for this class. She everything Dave said and more. Like I mentioned about Dana Carvey. She was in that that cast that kept it going and she's as vital as he was, if not more. Yeah everything Dave said, jan hooks is amazing. 0:27:43 - Speaker 2I totally agree too, because, like she, like I said, that was my high school cast and she was, she was on my list as well. I mean, like the fact that she played Tina or Tammy, faye Baker and Jessica Hahn, like she did both impersonations of this. Like that's mind-bending And Speaks to the power of makeup. But But yeah, like such an amazing kid, amazing performer, and he thoughts will oh. 0:28:12 - Speaker 5Yeah, so, oh yeah, so for Jan hook, she actually is, she's actually on my bubble, so I think there was another earlier cat somewhere that I went with instead. But like I said, I have all respect for the work that she's done on the show. I think, generally speaking, there's a lot of I'm kind of on the opposite side of Brad, where If there's people that have kind of gone through and have been on the ballot, i kind of in my mind I'm always like is my gut instinct, is this person the hall of fame or not? I'm kind of out of less than the baseball film, of like kind of co and get multiple out back to get in. It's kind of like do I think you're in right away? I definitely think she's on my bubble for this first one, like select those spaces open. But it's couple other people that I that I had a lover, but they're still definitely room for her. I know she was a huge contributor to the show and I'm definitely deserves all respect in the world. 0:28:59 - Speaker 3Brad, your next pick, i'll do a Jane curtain. I've got Jane on my ballot again. Original cast show wouldn't be What it would be without her and I think she is the most underrated cast member in the history of the show. You know my show. We're currently halfway through season one and we have a Bit that has just kind of come up organically, which is how great is Jane? because every episode at some point we talk about how great Jane curtain is. Whether she's playing Somebody's wife or mother or this star of the sea of the sketch, she just does everything. She. You know she didn't have a lot of characters. They came about a little bit later in in her run. But you know she had some impressions. She was the Quinn's essential talk show host. Any time They needed a talk show host for those first five years, jane curtain would do it and she would do it well and she would go toe-to-toe against any host Against blue, she against any kind of knucklehead. They would throw against her in any of those those talk shows. Or you know She held and weekend update. You know she was the first person to Do an editorial on the desk when Chevy was hosting weekend update And then she was the first person to take over form by herself, and then her and Dan, her and Bill, and if you just go back and watch it's, it's, you got another. Use baseball analogies on this. Her batting average is very high. It's very it's very rare Jane curtain Strikes out or has an out, she brings it every time. 0:30:25 - Speaker 2You got any other Jane curtain votes. 0:30:28 - Speaker 5She made on my ballot as well. I think you know we're talking about like Jan and Jane, obviously both great, but that's kind of one of the original. For all the reasons that Brad mentioned, like her being able to hold down that forward and be that Constant through the early stages of the show, i thought that she was great and that she out of my ballot, so she definitely made it on mine as well yours to you, dave. 0:30:48 - Speaker 4Yeah, she's my number three, Jane, before John. For sure Yeah she is. But my favorite cast member of all time is Parnell, and Jane curtain invented that role in the cast. She is the backbone of that cast. She makes The sketches have grounded reality. She's the person we identify with in those scenes. As an audience member she Was finally allowed to flourish in that season five and some of the characters she came out with were fantastic and Wonderful. Underrated actress. I wish. I wish She did not have this feud with mourn or the show, because I would love to see her Lorraine host Once before the 50th. It would be a great show. But when I was growing up, of course, my favorite was acroid when I was a kid watching those old shows. But when I started doing comedy for a living it was Jane. I always go back to Jane. Jane was was doing most of the work in those sketches and I really appreciate her as a comedian. What we don't, we don't really call straight man anymore in in the ground in the woke world of comedy. I'm trying to push forth Absurdo and reason here and set up straight man and And crazy guy. You know, but she is the reason here to be For the ages for sure. 0:32:15 - Speaker 2I think this was our first unanimous vote and she was on my list as well just for all of those reasons and, like You know, like Dave said, bit the backbone. I mean, during those first, those chaotic first few seasons, she was almost like a outside of the context of on the screen she would really help keep that cast together and and grounded just as a cast, but then on the screen She, she kept those scenes just flowing and she's just, you know, criminally underrated by by a lot of people, i feel so. So, yeah, if anybody gets a unanimous vote, that is her make. It makes me very happy. Well, my next pick is my. This is my musical guest, dave Grohl. Just like his, his love of the show is so undeniable, like he's game to do stuff every time he's there and and he's willing to become back and be a part of the show, even to not start, just like as like backup for Tom Petty and and like just just put himself out there as a recurring Supporting musical act. And he's been on like an incredible number of times, so like just crazy number of times for a musical act. So I think it technically puts him in the platinum club, which is because he's been on. I think that many times. I gotta wonder what they get when you get into the platinum club. If they get the look that the fancy blazer When you make it into the five timers, what? what happens there? and I feel sorry for whatever Martin Short has made to do for them. I hope because, he seems to be there either go to Minion at the five-timers club. So yes, anybody else? have any thoughts on Dave? 0:34:04 - Speaker 4Dave's on my bubble. I'm considering just. I think he's on the bubble for a couple reasons. Number one is, yes, he's been there more than any other musical guest, which is something to be applauded and Noted, but I can't think of Performances of his that are iconic outside of Nirvana Performance. I don't. I don't look them crooked vultures, was that one of them? Sure, and they're always great, and I love the food fighters. I love when they come on, i love their songs, but I can't think of one that was just like, oh, when I go back and think about That performance, like some of the great musical performances on that show, none of his really come up for me. So that's why he's On the bubble for me. So, definitely, longevity, definitely. You know, fan of comedy gets the show, always brings it. But as far as actual content, nothing stands out to me as iconic. 0:35:03 - Speaker 2So we'll keep going the same direction and I'll switch, switch around next round. So so will what, what, what do you have next? 0:35:12 - Speaker 5All right. So I think I'll go with some more. I'll be on the recency bias side of things today. I think that's a role I'll play today. So I'm gonna go with someone that's actually coming up again That means in controversial conversations but I'm gonna say Justin Timberlake. I know he's kind of been on the ballot before and kind of steadily climbing, but I'll kind of reiterate what I said before. I just think to me he's just he's one of the best hosts that they've had. I think when you look at it for the time that he was on the show. I know he has been there in a while but similar to early hosts in the early days, like Steve Martin, like appointment television for people to say I'm gonna watch your SNL this evening because Justin Timberlake is gonna be on, or doing double duty I thought that he really brought that level of excitement to the show. Obviously felt like he could have been a cast member on the show. He did recurring sketches. He's talking about Omelaville and all the iterations that came thereafter. Obviously a talented musical artist as well, doing double duties I mentioned before, and I mean Dick in the Box will be around for the rest of time. And I think that when you talk about whether you are in utility or in everything and you're just doing a great job consistently, or you're there and you just have some iconic moments. I think he has a little bit of both And definitely the tensions on him because he's the host. Still a lot of stuff is written around him, but I think people that were on the show at that time, people that he worked with and collaborated with, and say that he felt like someone who could have been on the cast And I just feel like he's someone who, to me, is a Hall of Famer And so that's why I would nominate, or I have Justin on my ballot. 0:36:49 - Speaker 2Anybody else got Justin on there. 0:36:52 - Speaker 4Yes, i do. Justin is definitely. He's the only host I have on my ballot. He is a consummate professional as a host. To not only be a musical guest as well, which I think you would have to be in order to be an iconic Hall of Fame host Not have to be, but it certainly helps And his performances I can think of many of his musical performances as well but to have recurring characters as a host, not with one generation but with two generations. He is the singers with Andy Sandberg, the Andy Gibbs show with Jimmy Fallon. He has his own recurring character, as you mentioned, omletville. That is his own, he's him, he's the constant in that. That is insane, just. I mean Christopher Walken, of course, is in there as well with Continental. That makes sense as well. But I mean I would look forward to any Justin Timberlake show. I'd watch any Justin Timberlake repeat If it comes up on the early version at NBC. I'm sticking around and watching the Justin Timberlake show because I know it's gonna be a great show And he represents to me five-star host experience. So all for Justin Timberlake. 0:38:11 - Speaker 3I don't disagree with what you guys said, but he's not on my ballot, but it's just there. I confined I think 13, 14 more people that I'd rather make sure got in or stayed on the ballots before him. I'm sure enough people will vote for Justin Timberlake that he'll. If he doesn't get in, we'll make it through the next round and I will happily vote him in, probably next class. But as you see, the second half of my list, there's a lot of prevent defense and I'm voting for a lot of people because I don't want them to go away. 0:38:39 - Speaker 2I mean, i love his work And, like Dave said, two generations. he was able to forge relationships and have multiple, not just dick in a box, but we got like mother, lover and three-way. So it's a trilogy of very weird and uncomfortable songs. 0:38:58 - Speaker 4And the dating game. 0:39:00 - Speaker 2Yeah, yeah And yeah, and also the Barry Gibb talk show. I mean, that's one of my is. My wife is a huge Bee Gees fan, so she gets excited when that comes on because she says this is so hot, he was on my bubble, he was on my bubble, so I still have one left. I don't know, maybe it'll be Justin, we'll see. So, dave, your next choice. 0:39:24 - Speaker 4I'm gonna go with Maya Rudolph. Maya Rudolph, to me, is a concert professional. It's her third ballot So, like Brad, i don't want her to go away too soon. So I wanna make sure that I vote for Maya Rudolph because she is a phenomenal cast member and a phenomenal host when she comes back. She has so many talents She plays broad, she plays specific, she does accents, she does celebrity impressions, she has a rhythm that is all her own. She does impressions. She is everything that you would want in a cast member. If I'm a director or producer, i want a Maya Rudolph in my all-time cast because I can throw anything at her and she is going to take it and make it better for sure, and she's gonna bring the house down. The audience is gonna love her And I just think she's phenomenal, phenomenal talent. If I was gonna build my top seven cast members, if I had a dream team, maya would definitely be in that cast. 0:40:32 - Speaker 2Anybody else vote for Maya. 0:40:35 - Speaker 5I did as well. I agree with everything that Dave said. I think that she's an all-timer. I think she's incredibly talented and also on the stacked cast. I think it was a time of the show when the women were really dominating and just obviously doing it really great And I feel like she almost got overlooked at times. So it was amazing. Kind of reminds me of how like Cecily was, I also want to stack cast, but I think she just because she never really had that goodbye when she started kind of building her family and kind of would pop back on the show every once in a while near the end of her tenure. I don't think she got the roses she deserved on her exit, But I just think, you know, once you can look at all the generations of the show and some of the talent's coming through there, I just think that she is amazing and definitely made it to my ballot this time around. 0:41:16 - Speaker 3Did not make it to my ballot, but she's on my bubble for the exact reasons Dave was saying. You know, i think she definitely needs to get in and I'm trying to gauge when I finally do give that vote to get her in, because I don't want her to fall off. But she's on my bubble and she's probably one of the leading candidates to sneak in my last spot or two. 0:41:34 - Speaker 2Yeah, Same here, like she's just such an incredible talent. But again it was like without weighing of choices. That makes it tricky. But again, like the Prince show, like her Beyonce on the Prince show is so hilarious, just paired with the Prince impersonation, it's just they're so bonkers together, her and Fred, and it's just it's a thing of beauty. But again it's like there's so many hard choices. This is a real tough one. Okay, brad, what do you have for us? 0:42:11 - Speaker 3You know, i can go for a twofer if I may, because they're kind of intertwined and I have a feeling they'll both get shot down. I have James Downey and Jack Handy, two longtime amazing writers. So I think a lot of casual fans probably don't even know their names or, if they do, don't know them well enough. Second time ballot for Jack Handy. Third for James Downey. I remember I emailed Jamie after season one when James Downey didn't make it in and I emailed him like how the hell did your voters not put James Downey in the Saturday Night of Hall of Fame? He's such an amazing talent and contributor through multiple generations. So the two of these are writers which you know. I think you guys have talked about this before. Writers are a little bit underrepresented in the hall. These are two votes that would be slam dunked. I would put them in for both of their writing work, for all of the work they've done, all their sketches, all their contributions, all the work they've done with the key cast members you know their names and faces of So many of them have worked with Downey and Handy over the years. 0:43:07 - Speaker 5I also had both of them on my ballot for the same reason Thank you Will thank you. Yeah, i mean, you know, I think you know Jack Handy with deep thoughts, you know I say I think alone, like those are, those are, those are classics. And then with with Downey I think obviously he's been involved a lot of sketches. But I also leaned into the fact there are so many people that have passed through SNL that mentioned him and his influence and his notepad and constantly being one of the best, the greatest joke writers of all time. And you know, as you mentioned, Brad, like writers are kind of in the background, they don't get the recognition that they, that they deserve for being the backbottled body sketches. And both those two just felt like they should get their due and they definitely made on my ballot this round. 0:43:48 - Speaker 4Yeah, i had James Downey for sure, just because of his contributions and the longevity of his tenure there. you know, going from the original cast all the way through Norm MacDonald, you know it was quite an impressive run and being a influence in that writer's room for that many years, i don't know he's. for me he's a slam dunk. Jack Handy was an unfortunate cut. I couldn't. I couldn't get Jack Handy on my ballot. I wanted to and I'd listened. actually I listened to. the Jack Handy episode went back today while I was grocery shopping today and listening to it And as he wrote a lot of things that I hadn't realized he wrote which was good for me to hear. But it occurred to me while I was listening to it how singular his voice was and how he doesn't really have a lasting influence on the future generation. So it feels to me like he was. his contribution was very like this very specific style of humor that didn't really like resonate through the generations. Maybe Wolf Ortea, a little bit kind of picks up where Jack Handy left off, maybe a little Kyle Mooney, just that kind of train of thought. But I don't think that Jack Handy had the staying power of his influence as some of the other folks on this on this list, and as much as I love Tunis and who doesn't love Deep Thoughts, deep Thoughts was already a thing before he got to Saturday Night Live, so that wasn't his Saturday Night Live contribution. That's the thing. he got hired, got him hired at Saturday Night Live and he started contributing that to Saturday Night Live, so I wouldn't really count it as his contribution to Saturday Night Live, as much as it is his signature piece. 0:45:36 - Speaker 2Both really influential writers. It's a strong case that Brad makes, so it should be interesting to see if they make it. My next lip selection is the one that I feel is gonna get shot down Very controversial one Dick Eversall. I mean he was there from the beginning. He helped make the show reality. When Lauren stepped away, he got a lot of flack and people are like, oh, the Eversall years. But really he saved the show. Like he made hiring choices bringing on Eddie Murphy. He kept the show going. Only a lot of people blame. There's the terrible Robert Downey Jr cast era. A lot of people peg that on him and don't realize no, that was Lauren's first year back That was his fault. The fact that he had the brat pack as half the cast is not on him. It's not on Dick. So, yeah, i think, if we've got Lauren in there, i think we should have Dick alongside him as one of the founding producers and creators of that show. 0:46:46 - Speaker 4Dick Eversall is definitely on my ballot. He's my number five on my ballot, just above Justin Timberlake, for all the reasons that you said. And I started watching the show regularly during that era. That was when I came online with Saturday Night Live. So Gary Kroger, mary Gross shows were like what I started watching every week, and so when Lauren came back, i didn't understand who that guy was. That's not true, But I like those shows. I love that. Christopher guest, harry Shearer, martin Shortyear I thought that was such a fun And you know he Dick Eversall, of course was in there for the beginning, but he reinvented the show in the 80s and kind of found a rhythm that we're still following to this day, introducing a lot more taped pieces promoting Eddie Murphy, bringing that, julie Louis-Dreyfus and that whole crew from Chicago as a group from the second city in the 80s, and so I love what he did to the show. I know he even tried to kill the show a couple of times, which is fine. You know you can have some villains in the Hall of Fame. For sure Billy Martin's in the Hall of Fame, right In the baseball Hall of Fame, so for sure Dick Eversall belongs to be in the Hall of Fame for what he contributed to the show before his tenure and during his tenure for sure, i have him on mine too. 0:48:13 - Speaker 3Yeah, definitely. 0:48:15 - Speaker 5Same for all the reasons you listed. 0:48:17 - Speaker 2Awesome, excellent, all right Will. Who do you have for us next? 0:48:22 - Speaker 5I will go with The Lonely Island, why not? I might be on an island with this one, but I'm going to go ahead and nominate them, the reason being the reason why I wanted to have them. Like I know, they've been kind of on and climbing And I think that one of the main reasons he talked about kind of the way, and now obviously sorry as being a live show the fact that they came in and were able to bring the show into the 21st century and be able to have prerecords that were more accepted in the format of the show and be able to, even though it's not live, i mean be able to bring another way to help the variety format of the show be relevant nowadays, especially when you look at how the show is consumed now. A lot of people aren't necessarily watching it live, they're watching it the next day And they were kind of helping it be that they had to have those kind of streaming made for the masses hits. They had a lot of obviously great sketches. They had a lot of great prerecords, like over 100. And I guess we've talked about some of them. I'm on a boat, they can a box, laser cats. There's been so many different iterations that they had, that they're able to own As a writing team too I know Andy was kind of the face of it, but being able to prominently feature writers and into those sketches and be able to bring the host into it, and that's something that even now there's prerecords that are more part of the show every single week, that yes, there were some throughout time They weren't the first people to do a prerecord, but that being a staple of the show every single week and not being something that was kind of frowned upon and like we'll do it every once in a while, i feel like they deserve to have a spot in the Hall of Fame And, like I said, i guess kind of talking on both sides and I'm not glad they're getting close to that point where need to figure out they're going to get in or out, and there's a lot of stories to be told about the beginning of SNL. But I feel like when you look at how the show is now and bringing it to modern, like a more modern era now, and the way things are consumed, i think they deserve to be in for their contributions. 0:50:14 - Speaker 3I agree with you, will. They are still not on my ballot, but I'm pretty confident they would make the Hall of Fame without me voting them in. I'm sure they will get into your point about them wanting to get in. This is their third ballot. If they don't get in this time, i would vote for them for their fourth time Because, as much as I don't want them to get in right away, it would be a sin if it took them till their fifth and final ballot. So they're not on mine. I'm sure they'll get in And if not, they'll be a next time, i'm sure. 0:50:42 - Speaker 4Yeah, I think there's very few people who have changed the game. Not only did William and Eddie Murphy change the game, John Lovett's changed the game, Kristen Wiig changed the game, But very few writers changed the game on SNL Live. And then Lowellin definitely did that And you got to give them props. I think step two your dick in that box might be one of the funniest things that's ever been written in SNL Live Every Christmas. That makes my wife laugh out loud Every Christmas without fail. And if you can make my wife laugh at a dick joke out loud, you've earned your spot in the Hall of Fame. 0:51:21 - Speaker 2They're on my list as well For all of those reasons. I mean, the tree tapes have become either really really weird love is a dream, such a weird concept from that 90s era or just these kind of by the numbers commercial parodies. It was like, ok, what drug parody or car parody or whatever, but they brought it back almost to the Albert Brooks level of just leaning into the really silly, the comedic, and making these pre-tapes vital Again, making them feel not like an afterthought but an important part of the show And also being possibly the best musical parody act aside from weird Alianca Vic, who needs to be on the show. I will say this I will go to my grave fighting for him to be on the show. How is he not being on the show? But yeah, they're just an incredible bunch of writers, incredible talent And, yeah, totally, totally agree. 0:52:29 - Speaker 4I will say not only do they change the game of Saturday Night Live, they change the game of comedy while on Saturday Night Live, which is very hard to do Most people, if they're going to change the face of comedy, they do it after Saturday Night Live. They did it while they were on Saturday Night Live, So that's very commendable. 0:52:48 - Speaker 2Dave, who do you have for us? 0:52:50 - Speaker 4I'm going to go with the last person that's on my definite ballot and out of my bubble And that is Paul Simon as a musical guest. I think from the get-go he was one of the people that really supported the show, brought credibility to the show. I kept coming back to the show He hosted. He's done sketches But as far as a musical guest he has had some iconic musical performances. He's got certainly. Here comes a son with George Harrison. He's got still crazy after all these years in the chicken suit And he's got the boxer after 9-11. I think for those three musical performances alone you'd have to consider him as if we're going. If you have to have one from each category, i don't know how you don't pick Paul Simon on your ballot. He is a friend of the show and just wonderfully fits into the vibe of what the show has been since the very beginning. 0:53:51 - Speaker 2Any other votes for Paul? 0:53:53 - Speaker 3I do not have him on my ballot, But I feel like Paul Simon is a very weird and interesting case because I agree, Like all three of those performances Dave mentioned are great, But he wasn't the musical guest for those, He was the host or the 2000 after 9-11, he was an unannounced guest. Paul Simon's first couple appearances on the show was as a host. Now, granted, he sang a lot, but he was technically the host And so putting him as a musical guest, I don't know, And I feel like there's a very weird and this is kind of to the Dick Ebersole of it all weird fourth realm that could exist in this Hall of Fame, where you're not pigeonholed into a particular thing. And I think someone like Paul Simon really would take that, because I don't think he does it on his hosting status and gigs alone. I don't think he does it on his musical guest status alone or his cameos alone, But when you put them all together, one of the best skits he's been a part of is and he's in line with Jan Hooks, I think it is at the movie theater. And he sees all the people walk by and he remembers them from a concert and they bought an album. And then Arco Funko walks by and he has no idea who he is, but again, so I think if there was a weird fourth hodgepodge category hands down, i would give it to him, but as a musical guest I just, yeah, i left him off. 0:55:16 - Speaker 2Yeah, it feels like there needs to be like special achievement inductees. Just just for something. Yeah, you see, he's all these categories coming together, like you both said. So yeah, that's, jamie, something to consider. 0:55:35 - Speaker 4Like that old white guy that's in the background of like a thousand sketches. Yes, The white hair. You know that guy. 0:55:42 - Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, all right, rad, what do you have for us? 0:55:47 - Speaker 3I'll go with my. Now I'm kind of in my. I've gotten through my slam dunks and my bubble-ish realm. I have one host on my list and it's John Goodman. He's again multi-generations. I mean. What was it? 12, 13 years in a row he was hosting. I think there was one time he hosted with Tom Petty again and the running joke in the monologue that they thought it was the same episode from six years ago. You know as a host would throw himself into the sketches, throw himself into the show, whatever was asked, whatever he needed to do, if he had to dress as Linda Tripp. You know whether you like or dislike how he joined the world of the Blues Brothers what have you but it still says something to who he is and what he means to that show. And I, you know we talk about, as we've said before, you know the era that you grew up watching SNL. That era for me, was a lot of times when John Goodman hosted. So he's a third time nominee of all the hosts I have. I don't wanna see John Goodman go and not get in, so I'm keeping him on my ballot as my host spot. 0:56:51 - Speaker 2Anybody else vote for John, not on my ballot. Yeah, he's on there too, like I don't want him to fall off, but he's. It's that bevy of talent. It's hard to choose. All right, well, my next one is going back to the early years. Elliot Gould, elliot Gould, so, as for hosting, he was just such a fixture during that like 76 to 80 era. He was the first movie star to host, like big name movie star to come on. So it created, you know, like Paul Simon helped create legitimacy, elliot Gould helped create legitimacy for the show and it, you know, it's like Lily Tomlin was the same way, where they almost felt like members of the cast just because of the intimacy during those early years and the recurrence and the relationships they seemed to build with the cast. So, yeah, so Elliot Gould is on my list of hosts to be inducted. 0:57:55 - Speaker 4Not on my list. No, As much as I love his movie roles and him as an actor, didn't really stand out to me as a major host. 0:58:04 - Speaker 3Not on my list as well. I agree with you, know. I think everything you mentioned about Elliot Gould take away the movie star aspect and I think there's a better host candidate from that era that's on my bubble above him. 0:58:18 - Speaker 5Yeah, i also didn't have him on there, not the pile on your map, but I also didn't have him on there. But I mean definitely, like you said, great contrast to the early parts of the show. I just didn't have him on my bubble, but I didn't have him on my final ballot. 0:58:32 - Speaker 2Hey, after the surprising turnaround with Dick Embersall's choice that I totally fair, i will take this. Okay, will, who do you have for us? 0:58:41 - Speaker 5So I'll. next one I'll have it's someone that's actually returning, but next one I'll talk about a cast member is Molly Shannon. So for me I think Molly is another one of those cast members that was that's an all-timer, i think. talking about the energy that she brought, the versatile she had on the show. She was obviously with a stat cast as well as one of the most recognizable characters of all time with Mary-Catherine Gallagher Not, i know, spin-offs don't meet in your movies outside of the show, how successful they are or not, don't count for anything, but obviously recognizable enough to get a shot at it. Sally O'Malley something she had delicious dish on NPR. I mean those are some really classic moments and sketches and classic characters And I like to say that she's coming up on that third ballot. I think she's just one of those great cast member And so she made it on my ballot this time around. 0:59:29 - Speaker 2Got any other votes for her. 0:59:32 - Speaker 3Much like Maya Rudolph, i think she'd get in. She's on my bubble, but I needed to be convinced to put her above a few people. 0:59:39 - Speaker 2Well, i am with you on this one. She is on my ballot And what really put her over the top was her recent hosting gig. Honestly, because it is like watching her perform, it's like she's still so vital, like I would love to have her on the cast now, like it would. Just she's so full of energy and like all of those characters that she brought back, like Sally O'Malley, you know, it's just like they still work. They work now better than ever, and that just speaks to the timelessness and like the heart that she brings to the show. So yeah, so she's got my vote. Dave, who do you have for us? 1:00:22 - Speaker 4Oh boy, i guess my next one. I'll go back to my season one episode and that is Frank and Davis, who I spoke for in season one. They were the first team to be hired predating well, the island or good neighbor or any of these other writing teams hired practical theater company. But they actually, between them, have about they each have 20 seasons on the show, which is unreal. 19 of them were in the same season. They each had one season apart. But the contributions that they made on that show to political discourse, to political comedy, to satire they were the first ones that Lauren just gave like five minutes to do whatever you want on the show. This week They had their own mini episode within Serial Life while the Frank and the Davis show. Some of them are unwatchable, but that also shows a lot of trust, how much trust Lauren had in them and their sensibilities. Oh, frank was such a fantastic senator. But they also created so many iconic characters throughout the years The Coneheads from Tom Davis and the Continental from Tom Davis and Stuart Smalley from Al Franken Just so many things that people don't realize were them. And to also have that kind of influence over the writer's room over the course of the first 20, 25 years of the show is unmistakable. So for that alone, especially on the third ballot, they should be in the hall of fame by now. 1:02:06 - Speaker 3I've got these guys. They're on my bubble and they're on the inside of my bubble, But what I try to figure out is separating Frank and Davis from Al Franken and Tom Davis. You know what I mean. Are you putting Frank and Davis in because Al Franken created Stuart Smalley, Like because Frank and Davis was a unit for a brief period of time? Both of these guys contributed a lot years down the road. But what's the difference between Frank and Davis and two different writers combined together? So I look at it and even doing that, I still look at it as Frank and Davis, the team of Frank and Davis, And I still have them on the bubble for all they've done in those early years and what they did. But that's why they're on my bubbles. I'm kind of kind of like you just mentioned with Molly Shannon, like I would not put her recent hosting job towards her getting into the hall as a cast member. But that's just me. 1:03:03 - Speaker 2Well, Brad, who do you have for us for this next round? 1:03:06 - Speaker 3Can I ask Dave, though like what do you think about that, dave? Because I know I remember your episode and it was great. 1:03:10 - Speaker 4That's a really good notion. 1:03:11 - Speaker 3And what do you think about that of you know people? it's kind of like the Paul Simon thing again of Frank and Davis as writers, beyond being the team of Frank and Davis. 1:03:19 - Speaker 4Well, i would say it's a really good notion. As far as Paul Simon goes, i'd say that if he's doing a musical number he is a musical guest, whether he's the announced musical guest or not. He is a musical guest in that sense And I don't the fact that they were in the writers' room together to me constitutes a Frank and Davis
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Hey Jerry, you look like you've been seeing little people on your fingers. It's, you just let that camera and then the end, it was Newman and Newman's like, hello Jerry. And she, we've lost a sort of Jerry Garcia Grateful Dead commitment of stamps. You would see . So he'd lick the stamps. You know, that was the,Michael Jamin (00:00:33):You're listening to screenwriters. Need to hear this with Michael Jamin.(00:00:41):Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to Screenwriters. Need to hear this. And I got another great guest today. I'm really racking up the guests. Everyone. before we begin, make sure everyone to get on my my watch list is my free newsletter, by the way. Goes out every friday at michaeljamin.com/watchlist for tips for screenwriters, actors, and directors and all that. And now let's bring him on. Let's bring on my next, my next guest who I met actually many years ago when I was running a show. He's, the show was called Glen Martin. And we, we, this is how it works. And, and Frank, don't worry, I'll give you a minute to talk. I know you're talking about the bit here.Frank Caliendo (00:01:15):No,Michael Jamin (00:01:16):I love it. This is how, this is how it works in animation. It's actually a fun job for, for actors. So basically the casting director, we don't even audition. Can't we say this is what we need and the cast director just bring somebody in and, and and if they're terrible, you know, we just get somebody else to replace them. And so in this role we needed this is we needed someone who could do an impression. And I don't remember what the character was. There's probably some politician. It might have been Obama, it might have been George Bush, someone like that. And so she had our casting director was Linda Lamont, Montana. And she goes, I have just the guy. And she brings him in. And it was, it was Frank, Frank Callo, thank you so much for being on the, my podcast, Frank.Frank Caliendo (00:01:55):And now I'm back. How about that? Huh?Michael Jamin (00:01:57):Now you're back. And he killed it. Now Frank, is this your, Frank has got Frank, you know, the, and, and, and the Game of Thrones. There was like the the man of, what was it? The god of many faces. Is that what it was? You're, you're the man. You're the god of many voices.Frank Caliendo (00:02:11):I'll take it. Yeah, I'llMichael Jamin (00:02:12):Take, take it.Frank Caliendo (00:02:12):It it's like six and then I just kind of do variations on it.Michael Jamin (00:02:16):I don't think so. Dude, you are amazing. You are amazing at how you do that. I want to get into like how you actually do that.Frank Caliendo (00:02:23):Well, there, there, okay. So let's, let's get into, first of all, I didn't believe you that I did the show that you said I did, cuz I kind of remember Glen Martin. D d s I remember getting the sides for it. I remember getting an email about it, but I don't remember doing it cuz we talked at some point that you were doing a live a live stream. And you're like I think that's where it was. And I was like, you said, oh, Frank, you did a thing with me. Or maybe we just instant message back and forth. I'm like, you're crazy. I don't remember doing that. I just looked it up on I mdb and I did do it. You did do it. It was George Bush and I guess John Madden. Go figure. You probably Madden happy for Georges Bush. So you wrote in the John Madden thing, I'm guessing. Michael Jamin (00:03:09):It's so funny. It's so funny that you chose to forget that you were on Glen Martin. How, howFrank Caliendo (00:03:13):She, I don't remember a lot of stuff and I don't even do any drugs, but it's like, I don't, I don't remember. I remember it was like a declamation kind of thing, right?Michael Jamin (00:03:19):Yeah. Yes. Right. And it was, that was Kevin Neen. He, he the, he the guy. So, yeah. And you, you crushed it and you did. No, it wasn't John. John.Frank Caliendo (00:03:29):I crushed it so much. I've never worked with you again. That's butMichael Jamin (00:03:32):I haven't done not have animation since. No,Frank Caliendo (00:03:34):That's true, jerk.Michael Jamin (00:03:35):I did Barry for 10 minutes though. But youFrank Caliendo (00:03:38):Know, it's funny. Here's a funny thing though. This is a funny thing, is that I haven't done a lot of animation. So you think of me as animation because of the voices. And that's the thing that's always weird. And that's why one of the reasons I didn't do a ton of voice acting. One, I wasn't as good at it as some other people. But two, it was like, because once you do that, it's amazing how people think of you in like, I'm in a couple of different tunnels for pi. It, it's, you know, the pi, the holes of the pigeon. I am a, people think of me as a sports guy and an impressionist. So it's like, oh, we, that's all he can do. So they never, so I, it's so funny because recently people have been like, ah, you wouldn't do this little partner move.(00:04:19):I'm like, yeah, I would, I do, do I have to do an impression? No. Oh good. Are you gonna rewrite the part? So I do impressions? No. Perfect. Interesting. That's what I wanna do. Now I do this, the impression stuff to keep the lights on. I mean, that's what I do on TikTok and Instagram and stuff like that. It's, there's some fun with it too. But that's the amazing thing is people start to get, I think I saw you do something recently where you said, you know, beat the dead horse. Right? You're like, it can Oh yeah. Do the thing. Do the thing you're known for . Yes. Keep doing it. Keep doing. I did it for 20 years andMichael Jamin (00:04:52):Well, I'm telling, and I'm talking about beginning people, but Yeah. But for you I can understand.Frank Caliendo (00:04:55):Absolutely. It's, it's, it's, and then you, you then you get to that point where you're like, I gotta do some other, some other stuff. And it's so funny because then people don't want you for anything else. Right. And then you go back and do some of the stuff again. But there's like two careers. And I've heard David Spade talking to those other people. Probably talked about it too. But I used to say this until I heard David Spade say it too. And then I'm like, oh, people think I was just taking it from David Spade. But it was, you spend the first career, you have two careers, the first career pigeonholing yourself, getting known, doing something, Uhhuh . And then the second career is being able to do something else, right? Like getting outside of that. So I had the first one. So I'm fighting in that little bit of that second one.Michael Jamin (00:05:33):Well, you know, so I, I wrote for Spade twice on just Shoot Me. And then later on Rules of engagement. So I'm just curious, what does he think is, what is his second career? What was he talking about?Frank Caliendo (00:05:41):Well, I I I just saw it in a, you know, I, I worked with him recently and didn't bring it up because I was scared of him. No. Why would you be scared of David SP's scared of David? Like, I tower over David sp five, six. No I'm trying to think. It was just something I saw him talk about on a talk show. And I, you know, it was one of those things I'm like, ah man, somebody much more famous than me is talking about this. So I don't know whatMichael Jamin (00:06:07):Thing you'd like to do. Well, I mean, you're amazing at pressure. I can see why you might wanna do something up, but what is it acting? I mean, you know,Frank Caliendo (00:06:13):It's just acting in small parts, you know, just small things because one, people think you want to only do big things and carry a show. Right. I don't really even have any interest in that. I don't even, I, I don't even wanna carry a show Uhhuh. Cause that's, I I I don't feel like my acting is at that level where I, anytime I've ever wanted to do something in Hollywood, I've always wanted to surround myself with good people. And they get confused when you try to do that. Yeah. They're like, why would you want somebody else to Well, cause I want it to be as funny as possible. I grew up, I grew up playing sports. When you have a good team, you do your part on the team. When I had Frank tv it was my show that came after Mad tv. It was shortened by the writer strike and it had some struggles and stuff like that. But it was one of those things where and it wasn't that good. And when it was finally put together, I was amazed. Cuz we had great writers and they would do it. They would pieces John Bowman that were Bowman and Matt Wickline.Michael Jamin (00:07:09):Yeah.Frank Caliendo (00:07:09):Great writers. Brenda Hay king and Lance Crowder. All these guys, like people Rachel Ramas, there were really great people Yeah. Involved in the show. But then by the time it was cut and put on tv, all the air was taken out. It was boo boo, boo boo boom. And you know, when that happens, there's no setups. It's all punchlines and you look like you're trying too hard. Yeah. That's, you know, you and I just didn't have, I'm, I'm not enough of a fighter. You need somebody who's gonna fight for you and do somebody who's gonna have the vision and fight for the vision and has been in that spot before to fight. And I just, I mean, I was doing like 15, 20 pages a day cuz I was playing all the parts until I got them to get other people on the show. So it was one of those things where I was just like, I was exhausted. I didn't even get to see edits. I didn't, I didn't like watch myself. Cause I was also too fat at the time. Yeah. I was like, I'm so fat in these things. I, it looks like South Park episodes. Michael Jamin (00:08:08):But how did that come part about, did you have a development deal at a studio orFrank Caliendo (00:08:11):Something being fat?Michael Jamin (00:08:13):No. You a lotFrank Caliendo (00:08:15):Exercise. It was, I had a d I went in, I, I went in and after I was at Med TV for a while there for five years I had the Fox stuff, the n NFL on Fox things, which was actually bigger for me than anything else. Right. being on the Sunday stuff and Super Bowls. So I went inMichael Jamin (00:08:35):And that's cause you do a killer. Madden give, give us, give us the taste of the Madden so people knowFrank Caliendo (00:08:39):What you're trying. I'm mad here for the quick pop popcorn pop. And I turned him into a character too. Like, like I was ta talking. This is, I know I go off on tangents. Just stop me. Go back. But one of the things with the Madden, you know, the, the realistic John Madden voice was this kind of voice where you, you say the things and you do the things. But I found this thing in him that was the excited little kid. Right? The . Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when he would get that, that going, it was like, I was on Letterman and he had me come on as, get me come on as John Madden didn't say it was a some, I was the lead guest over Ben Stiller, I think it was. Wow. Fake John Madden Wow. Was the lead guest. And I came in and I wasn't really the lead guest, but it was, you know, I tell people, but it was a, it was so I pulled a chicken wing out of my pocket.(00:09:29):I had them get me a chicken wig with sauce on it and everything. I gave you hungry. He was like that right now. , how funny, can you believe this? But it was one of those things where it just, stuff would happen and the, you create the character with it. And it becomes, the funny thing is to me, that that stuff doesn't work the same on social media like TikTok or Instagram, but it might work on some YouTube stuff. Cause there's more longer form. It's, it's more of a longer form, you know, the, the platform is Right. I just didn't like that I said more and longer right. Together. I'm, I'm weird with grammar. I'm very, some things I just, like, if you noticed, I texted you, I didn't like that I put different tenses tenses in my texts and you like, you just stopped talking to at that point.(00:10:14): But when you, I dunno what they really like and on TikTok and these you know, shortform ones platforms is exact replication. They want the, what I would call more of an impersonation, right? Like they want the the, they want you to sound exactly like the person. There's no element of caricature it really, or going what I would call Dana Carvey on it, cartooning it Right. And making it bigger. They're like, ah, that's not like it. Well that's the point. That's the comedic element, right? Right. That makes a good exaggeration after. Yeah, exaggeration after the initial what's the, what the word I'm looking for, the when you, when you recognition, when you get the recognition, laugh on the sound, and then you have to do something with it and make it bigger, right? You have to have more fun with it.Michael Jamin (00:11:09):But you did a post, I thought it was fascinating. I think it was on TikTok, excuse me. I think it might have been like how you do Robert Downey Jr. Or something. And you, you walk through the stages of how you approach the voice in, in pieces and then how you getFrank Caliendo (00:11:26):There. So let's, let's start with this. And this is something that you'll identify with completely as a writer and a creator. You have to find the cadence and the voice of the person not speaking in terms of tone, but the cadence, right? Yeah. How many Christopher Walkins have you heard, right? You've heard low, you've heard, hi, you've heard in the middle, in, in, in the old days, it was William. You knew who it was just by the pauses, right? So you could tell from those voices how you would write for that character. You put the point of view into those, into the song, right? What those of the, you know, into you put the lyrics into the melody. So with Robert, Danny Jr, I found that this is with other characters too. That counting can help you do it. It's better for the audience. It's not a full way to teach somebody how to do it, but it's entertaining while you do it. So Robert Downey Jr. Is after you find the pitch, or you don't even have to have the pitch first, but I'll go to the pitch cuz it's what I do. But it's one, two, pause, burp 5, 6, 7. So you find that it's 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. And then you can just figure it out, you know? So that's, that's how you find those with Liam Neon. It's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. You know? So it's the beginning. That'sMichael Jamin (00:12:52):Interesting.Frank Caliendo (00:12:53):Yeah. You can do that with Jeff. Goldblum is one, two 1, 1 1. Juan, what comes after one? Think out loud. That's him one. What's, what's coming into my head? What do I hear? The voices coming at me. One, two. Yes. Here comes one, two, a little jazz. 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.Michael Jamin (00:13:17):But you talk about this, you're talking about how you approach it. It's not like you think anyone, you, it's not like you're trying to teach anybody. It's not like anyone, you think anyone can do this, do you? Because I don't think IFrank Caliendo (00:13:26):Do. I think people can find, people can find, I do think people can find it. I think people can find people can't get the, they might not be able to get the pitch, the, the, the note, but they can find the cadence. Everybody, people do itMichael Jamin (00:13:40):Forever. But you, you know, your, your throat, your mouth has a certain in your nose, like you talk. I think you're stuck kind of with the, like, I can't change my, you're stuck with the voice. I don't know how you were able to literally changeFrank Caliendo (00:13:51):The, well, you don't need to do all that stuff. You don't, you don't have to do all the, that. This is another part. The face is another part of an impression. That'sMichael Jamin (00:13:58):The sound of the com. The sound comes from inside your skull.Frank Caliendo (00:14:01):Ok. So yeah. So there, there, there are different pieces to this as well. You can close off your throat. You, you think of it, you know the Bobby character, the Howie Mandel, little bitMichael Jamin (00:14:12):Bobby.Frank Caliendo (00:14:14):So that's closing off your throat. And a lot of people can do that. But the difference is finding different levels of being able to work. It's just, it's a, it's like a muscle, right? Right. So I'll do, I've done this, you might have seen this before, but this is John C. Riley is in here. So John C. Riley has just a little bit of bubble in his throat. Now if you work backwards, a tiny hole, ker frog, that's a little bit more up in here, re tiny Hall Kermit, you're reporting from the planet COOs. Then bring it down a little bit, Nelson your throat a little bit more. You add some air and it becomes Mark. I, I see this as an absolute win, guys. ThisMichael Jamin (00:14:51):That's exactly it. ThisFrank Caliendo (00:14:52):Is, this is crazy. And then, so for Ruff, he is got that thing where I think he had like a, a tumor or something, some, some medical thing when he was younger. And part of his f it was the same with like Stallone, Stallone had Bell's palsy, right? So he is got that, you know, that thing that, right? So if you find, I call it the pizza slice, you've probably seen the thing I did this. It's a triangle. It's a line across the eyebrows, a.in the, in the chin. And it's the triangle that goes down. There are two things. Now, this is stuff I'm actually gonna dos and Instagram on as well, but it's I just am too lazy. And it's, the mouth tells you how the person talks.Michael Jamin (00:15:33):UhhuhFrank Caliendo (00:15:34):. So if you watch my mouth, that's why everybody does a Donald Trump, right? When they do a Donald Trump, you have to do the lips. The lips are very, very, that's very. But now this part of my face from those down is doing Donald Trump. Now when the eyes start going, it sh now that's the point of view that starts. Same with the bush. Bush is, you know, I could do this thing with this half smile. It's like somebody told me a dirty joke before I came up here, but that's just, that's from nose down. But now I get a little discombobulate and you know, I'm staring into the, the abbu, you know, that's what it was also a great movie. So it's, and then the point of view comes from the way you think. Right? But you, when you write a character, when you write a character, you become that character when you write, I don't know if I'm stirring batter or what. Yeah. But if you're doing a cooking show and you're stirring the batter, but your character, you haveMichael Jamin (00:16:32):To, yeah, we would, for example, on King Hill, we would imitate Bobby Hill or Hank or whatever. But imitating is not sounding, you know, it's not sounding like,Frank Caliendo (00:16:40):Yeah. It's just, that's just taking it another level. You, you, you just take it. You get, because you had the cadence of the character. You might not have had the note, but you had the notes written. You didn't have them on the stop, but you knew if it was an eighth note, a quarter note, whatever, a, a rest. And I only know a little bit about music and that's all of it that I just told you.Michael Jamin (00:17:00):But did you, as a kid, did you, like, did you, were you good at this as a kid? Did you wanna aspire? Did you aspire to this?Frank Caliendo (00:17:06):I think I was pretty good at it. I, I have a natural knack and my kids have the knack too. So you have to have a, a knack at the beginning to figure this stuff out from the beginning Right. To, you know, it's predator of the infrared going. I see everything. My son had Bell's Palsy when he was very little. And I, I could see that when he would smile. This is a, the blessing and a curse thing. And when he would smile, he wouldn't smile all at the same time. And then I started to look closely and part of his face moved a lot slower and didn't always move. And I said to, to my wife, I go, something happened. I don't know what it is, but I think he had Bell's Palsy. Well, we had him tested to make sure there was no brain stuff going on or whatever.(00:17:47):But the doctors, what the diagnosis eventually was Bell. He had Bell's Palsy when he was a baby. Right. And it, you know, pa what happens is Bell's Palsy is, I think the fifth I, I don't remember what it was, the fifth or seventh cranial nerve. Something gets damaged either by a virus or trauma, blood trauma. And it keeps you from everything moving at the same time. But that's, but I could see it. Most people don't see it. I could see it because that's the way my brain breaks things down. Yeah. I mean, you as a writer, as a performer, whatever, however you consider, whatever you consider yourself, you do similar things. You see the world from that point of view. And that's how you write. You go, you observe, you take in, and then you replicate or create from that. Exaggeration or finding the, I I've set off Siri like nine times on my watch during this. I've never, that's never happened before.Michael Jamin (00:18:50):I Yeah, I, I say mean things to her. I and I and my wife says it's not good because Apple's picking up on this , like I say awful things to Siri. So, you know, like, Siri, you asshole. What time is it? She don't say that.Frank Caliendo (00:19:08):I'm sure it could be much worse.Michael Jamin (00:19:10):Yeah, it is much worse. I'm cleaning it upFrank Caliendo (00:19:11):For the podcast. Yeah. You were just trying not to get canceled.Michael Jamin (00:19:14):Yeah. Yeah. .Frank Caliendo (00:19:15):Yeah. So there, so there are lots of, yeah, I, I, I see. I look at these thi these things in, in lots of different ways. For me, you know, one of the things that, one of the things when I first got on social media in the last couple years, a few years ago mm-hmm. . Cause I wasn't doing any, cuz I was on Twitter 10 years ago. AndMichael Jamin (00:19:35):Why did I started finding, started my goal on social media. Why did you start?Frank Caliendo (00:19:38):Well, you have to. I mean, if you, if you, the first time it, it was because it was new and people were telling me I didn't like it. I just, I don't like it. I, I, I, I can't, I can't adapt it because people are angry for the most part. And there's a lot ofMichael Jamin (00:19:54):Yes. Tell me about it.Frank Caliendo (00:19:56):Is it, yeah. Right, right. And there's a lot of what confirmation bias. So there's confirmation bias mm-hmm. and the exact opposite. Right? So people either wanna hear exactly what they're thinking and they don't wanna have a conversation about something different. Mm-Hmm. . Or they just wanna fight you for no reason. They wanna troll you. They just wanna, they wanna make you mad. And especially somebody like you or somebody like me that's been in the entertainment business, we targets. Because if we say something back that's mean. Oh, the guy from Glen Martin dvsMichael Jamin (00:20:27):. Well, they don't, they don't. No one's ever heard of that. I know. But, but you're right. I don't, I don't respond anymore because there's just no winning it. There'sFrank Caliendo (00:20:35):No winning. It can't win. Cause because you are, it would be like, this is an exaggeration, but it'd be like a leader being a leader of a country. And this is, but this is what Trump does or did though, right? Uhhuh, . . And you would come back at people and you'd go think, ah, you gotta stay above that. At a certain point it's fu it, it quote unquote. It could be funny in and this isn't a political rant, this is just what I see as an observation. Mm-Hmm. it can be funny in of somebody running for president, but as soon as they're president you kind of feel like you're Yeah. I think, I think it's time to be a little different. You can, that's my opinion. ButMichael Jamin (00:21:08):No, you're absolutely right. I told, but, but, and that's what's so interesting about it, is because social media, at least when I started doing it, like at first, it's a little empowering. You have an audience and you can, you have an, you have a platform. But then once you start getting trolled and, and I, as a comedy writer, I feel like I can tear you apart. I can tear you apart. Whoever's trolling, I don't, I'm better at this than you. But the minute I do it, I, I can't do it because then I'm, I'm then I'm the asshole. And then it, what was once empowering now becomes emasculating at the same time. It's very odd to be able to have a platform, but not causeFrank Caliendo (00:21:40):And and you can, and people can say things to you that you could never say back because they will say things that would get you as a business person canceled. Yep. It doesn't have to be racial. Or it just, they can say things that are just mean that if you say it and somebody pulls it up, they're like, look what Michael Jamin did. Yeah. This is unbelievable. Yeah. I We can't hire this guy. Yeah. He's, he's a terrible person. And they'll defend the person who's ripping you to shreds and saying way worse things. Yes. So you're stuck in, you're, you're stuck in a spot. So it, so I, I started, this is why I got away from social media 10 years ago, whatever. So I was on Twitter, I was building it really quickly with sports stuff. Mostly not video, just just kind of like sassy phrases and, you know, mean things. I, and I realized I was starting to be this person on Twitter in real life in real wayMichael Jamin (00:22:37):InFrank Caliendo (00:22:37):What I'd see somebody just, I'd see somebody and wanna say something terrible to them. Mm-Hmm. . And the only reason I would say that in Twitter, cuz my comedy's silly, not really mean uhhuh, , it's it more cherubic cuz of the cheeks. But , it was one of those things where you said mean things on Twitter, you got likes and retweets cuz people love Right. You know, knocking down people in power. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say something about a quarterback that just threw an interception. Something I could never do. I would never have, you know, that that's the level of skill to, to make it to their level. And I'm ripping them to shreds. I'm going, I, I, and I've changed this way too. I mean, I, I used to think, you know, I used to watch the Oscars and kind of rip the Oscars to shreds because it is so self-aggrandizing. It, so mm-hmm. , everybody's self-congratulatory and stuff. Like, and I would say things, I'm like, I shouldn't be saying this, that, not just because it's, you know, it's kind of gross. But it's, it's also just, I don't know, these people work very hard to get where they, you know, they're just going, some of 'em don't, you know, they're happy to be getting an award, but they have to be show up. It's part of the business. Right.(00:23:46):I get it. I, I what a jerk I am for. You know, that's why even people, people wanna do a podcast and like, let's do a podcast where we just rip movies. I'm like, I don't wanna, that's somebody's acting, somebody's put a lot of time, like my TV show. There were a lot of great people putting that stuff together. But by the time it all got put together, a network has to say other people standards and practices, all these different levels, it's not really what you want it to be. And it's not any one person's fault. It's just not what you want it to be. And that person is, but, you know, that's why it's so amazing when somebody does do something really great, you're going, wow, you watch a, a Tarantino film or something like that. He's a guy who just fights for all his own stuff.(00:24:32):He's gonna do it his way. Right. But you watch a, you watch a film with somebody who does Jordan Peele now right. Who actually got to work with a man TV years ago. People get to a point where they have their point of view and they can make closer to the movie that they want to make. And then you go, okay, when this turns out, this is, this is fantastic. This is how you do it. Because when you don't have that much, say you don't have that much power and you don't have that much fight in you, it's, it's really hard to get close to what you want. And there were so many things in my show mm-hmm. that were close to what I wanted. But that little bit of change just goes. And there were three little changes. You go, oh, the timing's not what I would've done there. They used a cut I never would've used. Right. And now they put it in a different part of the show. Wow. Oh man. So then I know that happens everybody,Michael Jamin (00:25:27):But I have to ask, so then why do you do, why are you on social media? Because you, you have quite a big presence on it. So what's,Frank Caliendo (00:25:33):You go in, you go into an somebody's office, an executive's office. The first thing they do is look how many this, what are you doing here? What do you do? They reallyMichael Jamin (00:25:43):Say, say that toFrank Caliendo (00:25:44):You. Oh yeah, I've had plenty. The people look at me. It'sMichael Jamin (00:25:47):Because what they don't, I feel like they don't understand is the change in the algorithm, which is maybe only a few months old, but they don't un do they understand when you talk to them that having a million followers on Instagram or TikTok, you can't reach them all on any given day. You reach maybe a 10th of them, you know.Frank Caliendo (00:26:03):Well, you don't even reach that. I mean, people don't, so again, people the way it's been explained to me is that TikTok doesn't even really go out to yourMichael Jamin (00:26:15):Followers anymore. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.Frank Caliendo (00:26:17):It go, it goes out to a random sample audience, which has mm-hmm. some of your followers in it. And then once it hits that first audience, if enough people watch it long enough or watch it to the end, it gets, then it goes to the next sampleMichael Jamin (00:26:30):Audience. Yes. Right.Frank Caliendo (00:26:31):So if you go to a bad, I I,Michael Jamin (00:26:34):But that's also Instagram. Now that's kind of this, they're they're taking the same model. TheFrank Caliendo (00:26:38):The real stuff. Yeah. Well, because, and the reason that works for them is because they, they can build stars faster that way they can build. So it used to be on Instagram, it would take you years if you weren't famous mm-hmm. to get to a point where you had 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 followers. Well now people can just vertically swipe through reels and all of a sudden the, those people who do that are tend to follow a lot more people. Right. So your videos can go viral with no followers. Right. And then suddenly you'll have followers. It didn't used to work like that it used to.Michael Jamin (00:27:15):Exactly. So that's why I'm asking lots of followers. Do they know, do you think the executives know that? Cause they look at your numbers and like go, oh, Frank's got a big following. But do they know that you canFrank Caliendo (00:27:23):I don't. I think they're a little, I think yes and no. But again, it works to, in their favor that if you have videos that have a lot of numbers mm-hmm. do, because then you're hitting an audience. They know you're hitting a pretty big audience that spreads it to other people. Mm-Hmm. . Now I'm 49, I'm about to be 49. Okay? Mm-hmm. , I, my age group that I played to most, or played to the most was probably 35 to 50 in there. You know, somewhere in there somewhere that I felt like I was similar age and had similar likes and life experiences.Michael Jamin (00:28:00):Right.Frank Caliendo (00:28:00):And those people, that group of people doesn't tend to hit the light button or the retweet button as much. I know I don't. Right. Right. Kids send it, they direct message stuff to their friends. They send things to their f they then they tag other people. They tag lots of people. Yeah. And that's why network executives, producers advertisers like young audiences, not just to sell the products to, but they're the ones that spread the word. Right. And they know that. They know it. It kind of works. You know, I always, I never really thought about that or I never really believed them with that. You know, I've changed brands on a lot of stuff. I've changed toothpaste, I've changed all kinds of things. Right. I don't think I'm normal. I, I, I, I guess I'm not, but young people will try different things and they will do lots of different things at a much higher rate. AndMichael Jamin (00:28:54):So interesting. Do you feel then, as a performer that, okay, so you kind of have to do this. You're a little bit, you know, could you do it what, every day? Right? How many times do you post a day?Frank Caliendo (00:29:05):I don't, I don't even post that much. I, I'll post like a, a week. Once a week or once. Oh, half the time. It's half the time. It's old stuff that I've already Interesting. Like the thing, I have something with 8 million views right now from like a couple weeks ago. Wow. That I've posted two times before. Yeah. And it's gotten a million views and 2 million views and maybe 30,000 views. Oh. Which hits exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. If it doesn't hit the, I have, I have two pieces of advice. A couple pieces of advice for your content, please. I, I would not end my pieces telling people to go see, go. Don't, I wouldn't waste the time in the, in the, in the post telling people for more, if you like stuff like this. Go see, go did Michael Jam writer what, you know, your website, stuff like that. Right. I would just put it in writing near the end. Yeah. On the screen. Because then it's there a little bit subliminally. And they don't have to wait for the, because if they've heard you, if they like your posts and they watch you all the time, they know that's the end of your post. They'll cut out early.Michael Jamin (00:30:10):Interesting. So you're saying put But if I put it up on there, cause I, I do this to get people on my newsletter Right. To, you know, cuz that you get their, but you're saying if I, if I just say it'sFrank Caliendo (00:30:20):Up to say at the end, you spend two to three seconds going. Right. If you like what I said right. Go to Michael Jamin, Robert Writer what is it? Michael jaminMichael Jamin (00:30:28):Michaeljamin.Com/Watchlist is my newsletterFrank Caliendo (00:30:30):Slash watch. Okay. So if you, if you like what you've heard, go to Michael Jamin slash wa slash slash watchlist stuff like this and other things that I gotta Now now they've got, now you've, now you've given them a little piece, which is what's everybody telling you to do? They all tell you well get the call for action. Yeah. But if they've seen your post and they like your posts, they don't need that anymore. Right.Michael Jamin (00:30:53):What if they're brand new? What if they'reFrank Caliendo (00:30:54):Brand new? If they're brand new, you put it, you just put it up on the screen. You put it up on IMichael Jamin (00:30:58):The screen. What do I put on the screen?Frank Caliendo (00:30:59):On the screen? You just write it on the screen. Yeah. Say like more stuff like this.Michael Jamin (00:31:03):Oh, okay. For the whole thing. For more. Okay.Frank Caliendo (00:31:05):Or, or in the last, the last third of what you say. Okay. Just have it up there. And in the, because you do that, you can try, you can, you can experiment and do it both. Do it, do say it sometimes put it up on the screen. Do both mm-hmm. sometimes just put, put it at the end and, and test it. Yeah. Because I could be, I can be wrong. I can be wrong here. But I'm telling you, I watched to the end of yours because I know because I want yours to do well, Uhhuh, , I'll do it, but I'm tempted as soon as you go into that mm-hmm. , I tempted to flip up andMichael Jamin (00:31:39):All right. What,Frank Caliendo (00:31:40):What I found with my stuff, if I introduce things, sometimes people don't even wanna see me introduce it. I just put the title of what I'm doing on the screen.Michael Jamin (00:31:49):Uhhuh ,Frank Caliendo (00:31:50):I don't tell you, you know, I don't tell you what I'm doing. I put the title on the screen to tell you what I'm doing and I get right into it. Right. Unless it's a reply to somebody's if somebody's, then I read their reply a little bit. Right. So they have the visual and you're reading the reply and you're saying something at the same time. So they're kind going back and forth. And then you do, you cut and do what they're saying. What is, what is your other, very quickly,Michael Jamin (00:32:16):What is your other tip for me? Is there anything else? I'll listen in. I don't know if my reader Yeah. What cutsFrank Caliendo (00:32:26):I would cut, I would cut a lot. You don't cut much. Oh, oh,Michael Jamin (00:32:30):Oh.Frank Caliendo (00:32:31):Visually you do, you do things in one.Michael Jamin (00:32:33):Yeah. No. You know why? Because I just don't wanna produce anything. I don't wanna spend time. Right.Frank Caliendo (00:32:36):I get it. I get it. I get, I get it. And, and, but like a friend, somebody I know used to work at YouTube and they're like, just cut, just cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. And you don't even have to really produce it. All you have to do is just splice, splice, splice slightly. Make things bigger and smaller. You don't even really cut any air out. But I, if, if you look at, if you look, you just put it in iMovie or they actually have it in there. Now. If you don't even, you don't evenMichael Jamin (00:33:01):Too much word.Frank Caliendo (00:33:02):I get it. If you watch most of my stuff that's new. There is no real effort into writing it. , Uhhuh. It's just saying words over and over.Michael Jamin (00:33:13):. Right. It's,Frank Caliendo (00:33:15):I won't put the time. Now what I'm starting to do is go back, like you said, let's talk about the Seinfeld thing. When I put the Seinfeld thingMichael Jamin (00:33:21):Out, and that was from Frankie. OhFrank Caliendo (00:33:23):Right. That was from, and it was critically panned. Like it's terrible. Like critics told me it was awful.Michael Jamin (00:33:28):. Ok. I liked it.Frank Caliendo (00:33:30):Yeah. And it's even cut even shorter. It's, it's even, I think the full things like pretty good. There was one of the things I was the most proud of, Uhhuh or the proudest of. And but it's one of those things where , it's so funny cuz it really does look like a South Park version cuz I'm so fat. At the time we made it that it's that, that it just looks like, I call it sign fat. Right. But it was weird cuz if I had guest stars on the show, it would, it would even make it tougher for disbelief, you know, suspending belief or di is it suspending belief or suspending disbelief.Michael Jamin (00:34:03):Suspending disbelief.Frank Caliendo (00:34:05):So, okay, so, so you,Michael Jamin (00:34:07):Yeah. So you're not disbelieving it,Frank Caliendo (00:34:09):Right? So you suspend your disbelief when you see somebody, all the characters look kind of the same. It fits, but all of a sudden you have somebody that looks more like the person because they're skinnier or something like that. A sudden it looks up like, but that Seinfeld thing, it was actually from my, my act was my, the way I did it in my act was I tried to, I always trying to think for the impressions. And so my, my thinking of the Seinfeld bit and my act was Seinfeld is about nothing. It's about reality. It's about everything that happens a reality. Well, what takes you outta reality? So it was drugs. Mm-Hmm. . So I thought put Seinfeld on drugs. And the, the, the bit was why do my fingers look like little people? Who are these people? They doing, they're talking to each other.(00:34:54):They're probably talking about me when I say Jerry, oh, somebody. Hey Jerry, you look like you've been seeing little people on your fingers. That's great. You just let that cat. And then at the end it was Newman and Newman's like, hello Jerry, hello Newman. And she would've lost a sort of Jerry Garcia grateful dead commitment of stamps. She would see them baby . So he'd licked the stamps. You know, that was the bit. So there was reality and it turned back into AED episode. But the whole bit was instead of reality, how do I get into a fantasy world? And that was the easiest way to to, to(00:35:28):Do it. Right.Michael Jamin (00:35:31):Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michaeljamin.com/watchlist.(00:35:54):It's fucking, your voices are amazing. I mean, that sounds amazing. But tell me, I have another question up for you. I'm just, I'm curious, I know you're, I actually wanna mention this, so I know you're, you, you got two shows coming up in, in Phoenix, right? Yeah. Where you do, where you go and it stand up, you're doing voices as well, or like, right? OrFrank Caliendo (00:36:11):Yeah. I, I just, what I do is, I'm, I, so what I, what I like to do is, I always hated the vaudevillian impressionist Uhhuh . What if,Michael Jamin (00:36:21):Oh yeah.Frank Caliendo (00:36:23):You know, what if Carrie Grant was your waiter, well, why, why would he be, first of all, that's bad writing, right? ,Michael Jamin (00:36:32):Why would he be your waiter? WhyFrank Caliendo (00:36:33):Would he be a waiter? Remember, years ago, I think it was on the white was it the white album? The that Dennis Miller did? Uhhuh . He's like . He was like and these impressionist, I think Jack Nicholson as a fry cook at McDonald's. I mean, how about you as a fry cook at McDonald's? Chachi, get some writing. You know? So it was it was, I was always like, I wanna write for these characters. So what do would I do? I would make observations. So the way, and that would give me my point of view. So Pacino, he's an actor, right? So I was like, what do act what do they teach you in acting? Be curious. Be amazed by everything. So the simplest thing, Pacino can be amazed. Like somebody's turning on a light. He's like, wait a second, you mean to tell me you flip a switch over there? A light comes on over here. Wow. . So he's amazed by everything. That's the point, right? And that's what my Pacino character always was. And he, and chewing gum. So that'sMichael Jamin (00:37:34):Dead onFrank Caliendo (00:37:34):Man. It's make those, make those observations and then apply them in situations later. So it's observational comedy, but I was just observing how people were. Robert Downey Jr. Is a human. Twitter feed, 280 characters are less and everything's about himself. So he'd give, be giving out an Academy Award, which is supposed to be about the nominees, but the, but he'd be up there like, these people deserve your applause almost as much as I do. Hashtag awesome. So it's, that's the point of view, right? Set it up. That's funny. Bring it back. So once you have that, now you can, now the audience is in on what your point of view is. Now you can put them in situations, which is really what you do with characters in writing. You know, any kind of sitcom or any kind of a, any, you know, any kind of drama, anything.(00:38:25):It just takes longer to get them to who the character is an impression most of the time, and this is why impressions are cut away from acting so much where people think there's no acting in impressions because it's just, you know, somebody, there was Robert De and they work on, are you talking to me? Well, where's the, where's the writing for that? It's the vallian part, right? Come up with something that tells you who the character is. Right. And now write for it. And now it's an interesting character. And that's what you know any type of original character, it just takes longer to get there. And that's why a pilot, right? A television pilot, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, you do this more than me. Let's see. There's a lot more exposition and telling, kind of telling people, okay, hey, I'm just your local waitress. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And they tell you a little bit because they have to do it to get it done. To get it sold. Yeah. And then once it's, once you kind of have it, now you can develop the characters and you have, you have arcs that can build the character to something longer. Yeah. And that's why a lot of pilots get rewritten and redone because the pilot's almost a presentation just to sell it. And it's almost two on the nose. It's a to be what you want.Michael Jamin (00:39:40):But tell me what it's like when you do, like, when you go do a show or two shows, like literally, what is that? Like? You get on a plane, you arrive a couple days before your show, likeFrank Caliendo (00:39:51):The day, usually a day off, the day of just get there. YouMichael Jamin (00:39:55):Do a sound check or no, you just go up on stage likeFrank Caliendo (00:39:58):A theater. I'm probably have the guy opening for me do a sound check. I don't, I don't even, I just go out there and show up and head so I have more energy. I mean, it's just, I like to get out there and just start going. I have a plan. Uhhuh, I have a lot of stuff that I've, I will do that I've done, you know, that I've worked on and done before. But now I try to, I actually like to do clubs a lot more than theaters. Why is that? Because I get to play more and I don't feel, I feel like somebody goes to the theater, you know, they, you feel like they, even though they're not, you feel like it should be a little bit more put together and professional. I feel like at a club, it can,Michael Jamin (00:40:34):A club, you can get heckled. They're not necessarily coming to see you. If you go to a theater, they're coming. They're paying seeFrank Caliendo (00:40:40):Me, 90, 99%. They come to see me at a club. Now if I'm doing a club, yeah. Cuz I'll do like off nights. I'll do like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. The, the general audience isn't going for that. And tickets will sell in advance. I mean, it, it's, that's, that's what I, that's what I likeMichael Jamin (00:40:57):To do. Is, is it theater though? More, more seats usually.Frank Caliendo (00:41:00):Yeah. It's harder to sell. 'em, You, you've gotta figure you're gonna sell. Probably you can probably, cuz people are, they're trained to go to a club and you'll get some people that fill other seats and it'll, it'll snowball. People will talk about it more. Uhhuh . And they have a built in advertising in everybody who goes to that venue. Three or four, you know, five shows a week.Michael Jamin (00:41:20):Interesting.Frank Caliendo (00:41:20):Sees that you're gonna to be there. And they're a comedy audience already. A theater doesn't necessarily have a builtin comedy audience. It might be that's 9%.Michael Jamin (00:41:31):But they're not coming in a comedy club. They might be drunk, they might be hostile, they may heckle. They're not, they're, it'sFrank Caliendo (00:41:38):Not, not, it's not as bad anymore. It's, it, yeah. Most of the clubs are that that's, that's kind of a nineties early two thousands as maybe eighties type of thing. It, that doesn't happen as much anymore because they have so much riding on everything. The clubs used to be, they would you just go there and do a nightclub set and they, they, they'd turn 'em in and out, two drinks, four drinks, and get 'em in and out. Now they're selling them dinner. Uhhuh, they, they, they realize they were given away the five, they were, they're restaurants now that have entertainment. Right. Because they would, they would bring everybody in and nobody, they would give everybody else all the food and beverage around the showtime. And they would, they were realized, well we can do this too. And some of 'em do it. Really,Michael Jamin (00:42:21):Really. But they're not eating during the show. You don't want the meeting show.Frank Caliendo (00:42:24):Yeah, they're,Michael Jamin (00:42:24):Yeah. Yeah. They're, and you're hearing like the silverware and stuff?Frank Caliendo (00:42:27):Yeah, it's, it's, it's usually more of a finger food. But they're, yeah. They're, they're so are some that have full-on, you know, but that, that a lot of that happens during the opener or mc too. By the time I'm up, they're, they're, they're a drinking and they're warmed up and they're, they've gotten their food already.Michael Jamin (00:42:45):And then do you travel with their, with your, with your opener Or is it a local guyFrank Caliendo (00:42:50):Or one? I bring people with me because I know what they're doing. , Uhhuh, . I, I, I'm, I'm a control freak in terms of what's on before me. Right. Because I'm very clean. Even when I try to be dirty, it doesn't work because people wanna see me for being clean. Right. but I've had, I, you know, an opener thinks they're clean and you, you know, I only say that word once, like, wow, that's too many times for some of my audience. Right. Or they, they, they, they, they're not expecting it. Cause they've been there to see me before and I'm the one who's gonna get the emails in the club is. And so I just bring people that I know are gonna play and then I don't have to watch the set over and over and over.Michael Jamin (00:43:31):And then you, and then after you'll you how many shows?Frank Caliendo (00:43:35):Two is the most I'll doing at night, but I'd rather just do one. Right.Michael Jamin (00:43:39):It's exhausting. It's exhausting to hold that kind of attention for pe to people.Frank Caliendo (00:43:43):Yeah, it is. And I just have the point where I, I do it and I have, when I have fun doing it mm-hmm. , that's when I go up and do it. And if I go up and I'm creating some, I'm having fun. If I'm doing an old set just for money and not creating, I'm not having fun. And that happened to me for five to 10 years where I was just doing the same thing all the time. I was making a ton of money Uhhuh. But I think some of my audience got like, well you're doing the same exact set. And it was just going, kind of going through the motions. And I, that wasn't a great time for myself for, you know, me personally. Not like I had anything wrong with family or anything. Like I just wasn't having fun doing the comedy.Michael Jamin (00:44:24):AndFrank Caliendo (00:44:24):Then weMichael Jamin (00:44:25):Will you leave the next day or what, what or I don't wanna cut off. IFrank Caliendo (00:44:28):I used to leave the next morning, first flight to try and get home. Cause I have two little kids right at the time. Two little kids now. They don't like me that much anymore, so. Right. I don't mind going away for a little Do you have kids?Michael Jamin (00:44:39):I do, but they're grown. Yeah. They'reFrank Caliendo (00:44:41):In college. Yeah. So, so you know that, I mean, when they're little, I was missing a lot cuz I was working a lot when they were little. I'd be on the road for a couple weeks at a time. I didn't see my son's first steps. I mean, I just, I didn't like that kinda stuff. SoMichael Jamin (00:44:56):But you knew going into it, when you went to comedy, you knew that that's, that's what the life is gonna be like, right? Or No? Were you surprised? Yeah.Frank Caliendo (00:45:03):But you kind of assume you're gonna go you, you know, you Yes, yes. You do know. But you're also thinking maybe I'll land a TV show, Uhhuh , maybe I'll do, you know, you, you, I don't, and I didn't plan, I didn't plan in the terms of that. But listen, I don't have to work. I honestly don't have to work anymore. I really don't. I I'm, I'm at a point where I don't, so I do things that I really want to. Right. And I, you know, the NFL on Fox stuff, because I was associated with a NFL Hall of Famers and stuff. Like, I do big corporate shows for, you know, oh, do you? For the biggest, for the biggest companies in the world, Uhhuh. And that's, that's what I do. People, you know, I, you, you see one date on the you know, on my public dates, because I live in Phoenix, I don't have to go anywhere.(00:45:52):So I'm just gonna do it. I can do, I can go do it and I can, I can be home. People are asking me to do shows all the time. I'm like and also do a run of one night at different clubs so I can, I don't like looking at the same back of the room for, you know, five or six days. You know, three, four days, five shows. I just, I don't enjoy. So I don't do it. Right. I I I try to do the things now that I like to do. Michael Jamin (00:46:19):I didn't know your feet,Frank Caliendo (00:46:20):So I've saved a lot of money.Michael Jamin (00:46:22):How are you getting acting gigs in if you're all, if you're outFrank Caliendo (00:46:24):There? Well, have you seen me in anything? I don'tMichael Jamin (00:46:27):. That's why.Frank Caliendo (00:46:29):Well, yeah. I don't, I, I don't I go, I go out to la I'll, I'll do some stuff on tape and things like that. Uhhuh , and people ask for me. But I, I, I, you know, yeah, there's, people call me now and I'll get people are like, Hey, will you do this? I'm like, yeah, if I don't have to do it, yeah. Yeah. I just go do it. And I was like, yeah. Like, I just did something recently that was a, a Zoom thing. Like it was actually Zoom in a movie, like a small, you know, like a, a Netflix kinda thing. Like, they're like, you can, you can, you don't even have to come here, you can just do a Zoom thing. And we made, it made the part became bigger. Right. Cause we, you know, I I I call it being serious to the point of being funny where you're just so serious. It's Will, will Ferrell does it really, really well. Right, right. Where you're so serious that it becomes funny. I that's what I, that's the comedy I like. I don't like hail I paid. Right, right.Michael Jamin (00:47:22):Here'sFrank Caliendo (00:47:23):My testicles. That's not the kind of comedy I really like, but it's, a lot of times it's what you have to do to get like the, the funniest thing to me. I like that really uncomfortable stuff in serious. So, better Call Saul, you, are you a fan of that show? Yeah,Michael Jamin (00:47:40):Yeah,Frank Caliendo (00:47:40):Yeah. I like that. Mike Erman Trout.Michael Jamin (00:47:42):Yeah,Frank Caliendo (00:47:43):He's great. Will just odenkirk they will crack me up because it's not, they're not doing anything big and funny per se. They're just in a really awkward situation. But it's, the stakes are so high and it's really important. La Los Salam, monka, you know, it's like, yeah.(00:48:04):All these things are so, like, and stuff Brian Cranston would do on breaking Bad. And you'd watch them and you'd go, ah, like, I'd like to go. God, you're good. I go, that's the stuff that when somebody's just the character and I go, I, I was watching billions. I watched Billions and I started watching Paul Giamati and that's why I started doing that impression, just because I'm like, he's so good. And he's so, I believe these are ways, like, he's just so, like, the intensity and you, you know, you kind of know where he is going before he does, and then he can zig or zag and that's what makes him great. Cause you think you got him pinned down and you're like, oh.Michael Jamin (00:48:51):But, so what's interesting I'm hearing is that, so you have a platform, a stage where you can write, perform pretty much whatever you want to do, but at this point you kind of want someone else just to write for you. And I, I'll, I'll be, I'll just act, you know,Frank Caliendo (00:49:04):That's more of a, and I'll add my pieces if, if that's what you want. Like, I'll add a little flair or that, that's really more what I do wanna do. Yeah. I mean it's, it's, I dunno, I don't want the, this is gonna sound terrible, but it, I, maybe it is, maybe, but after having a couple shows that I developed or, you know, development deals that just fell apart and weren't what I wanted them to be. Mm-Hmm. , I just wanna be in somebody else's who's a real good fighter and go, let's work together. I like being part of a team. Right. And I don't wanna be on a team where somebody wants to do something completely different than me. Right. I don't wanna do that. But if somebody's in the same, in the, in the same wavelength and they're going, and you, you know when that is, can you just start having fun?(00:49:52):You go, that's what I was gonna say. And then you, you do it and they're like, I, I know. Don't even say it. I'm gonna do exactly what you're about to say. Mm-Hmm. , this is it. Don't worry if I don't, we'll shoot it again, but I know what you're gonna say right here. Cuz I saw the light bulb go on with you as soon as it on with me. Here we go. Right. So, yeah. I, that's, I wanna, I wanna be a part of somebody else's thing. That's really, and, and when people think of me, they think I wanna be a one man band. I didn't even wanna be a one man band on my own show. I, I, I, I just, right. I don't know. I, I like being something, I like being part of something bigger. And it doesn't, agents don't always understand that either, because agents a lot of the time, like, you could, you should do your own thing. I'm like, but if I do my own thing, then it's just about me. I'm sick of it being about me. How about it is about,Michael Jamin (00:50:41):I'll tell you this cuz this gets back to Spade, but I'm just, shoot me. He didn't wanna be on screen. If he wasn't, he wanted to hit a home run, walk off, stay stage. I mean, that was it. He didn't need to hang around. He didn't need to count lines, he didn't need to have storylines. He's like, no, just lemme hit a couple home runs and I'll, you know, I'll do what I need to do and then leave.Frank Caliendo (00:50:59):And, you know, and, and you and you're, you're better like that. You're, you're better because you don't look like you're hanging around you. People can't wait to see you come in. Yeah. People know that your part's going to be fun. Now everybody can't be that. You have to have people that are going to drive the show. Right. Right. Arthur on king of Queens. Mm-Hmm. , you know, he is gonna come in from the base and be like, I had no idea this was gonna be this way. By the way, he had one of the greatest Jerry Stiller came up me, I did the Seinfeld bit Montreal at the Montreal Comedy Festival. Uhhuh . Jerry Stiller comes up to me afterward and it's the greatest. Like, this is awesome. He goes, you know, I really enjoyed your show, especially the portion. And I was like, oh, that is, oh, thank you Mr. Stiller. He's like, now could you tell me where the bathroom is? ?Michael Jamin (00:51:49):HeFrank Caliendo (00:51:49):Just wanted to know,Michael Jamin (00:51:50):SaidFrank Caliendo (00:51:51):You just wanted to know when the bathroom was . And that was, I told j I told Ben Stiller that I told him that at, it was, I think it was after his father pass away. I did a show called Birthday Boys. And it was actually, it was, it was really a funny thing. But it was, he was playing a Robin Williams type teacher, dead poet society kind of teacher. Ben Stiller was, who was directed by Bob. Bob. Bob Odenkirk is directing it as a guest director. But it was so awesome. Yeah. see, there's go sir. So I, I, I told, I told that Ben Stiller just the moment he heard it, he's like, , like, like he was almost embarrassed. That's my dad. Like, that's just my dad being my dad. Like, I've been there, man. But I, I remember in that, that was one of my favorite things too. Well the, the thing they wrote is why I wanna tell you this too, was the bit they wrote was he's this, like I said, this dead poet society kind of teacher. But he's going, you know, he's, he's teaching outside the box and he's supposed to be teaching the Diary of Anne Frank, but he's teaching the Diary of Frank Kelly instead .Michael Jamin (00:53:02):Right. It's funny.Frank Caliendo (00:53:03):And, and it's, you know, it's a joke of making fun of me, but I was like, God, just to be in this joke. And Bob Oden is directing and Ben still is doing it. The birthday boys wrote it. It's like, oh. And I made Stiller laugh. Cause when Odenkirk kind of went off the script, he's like, just, he's having Mr. Stiller. No, he's having Ben just tell me. He's like okay. Adam Sandler at a, at a funeral. And I was like, oh grandma, where did you have leave? Where were you? I leaving And then Ben starts cracking up. He's like, I can't go. I can't go out. He stopped. He stopped. And I go, I just, Ben laugh on the set. Oh. I go, this is the greatest day of my life. And Stiller is like, let's get going. You know? He's like, no, he was, he was great. But it was so funny too cause it was a moment for me, like, oh, this is one of the people I look up to is one of the great reactors. Yeah. Like Ben Stiller as funny as he could be presenting somethi
STAT Com's Director of Communications, John Lovett, reviews the various duties of STAT Com and then gives us the "stats" on the specialty transport ground unit! What all went into the decisions to build the unit from the "ground" up?
In the final preseason game, several position battles are yet to be won, and some locked-in roster spots may surprise you. Today we'll talk about the Miami Dolphins top 5 position battles to watch in our final preseason game against the Philadelphia Eagles and who I like to win them.Miami Dolphins News and NotesTino Ellis was released from IR on an injury settlement, could he return?Nik Needham and Keion Crossen are dealing with minor injuries.Conflicting reports on whether or not tight-end Mike Gesicki is being shopped on the trade market. They brought in free agent defensive end Trey Flowers for a workout, but to this point have not signed him.Jaylen Waddle is still not participating in practice and is not expected to play in the final preseason game. Cut safety Sheldrick Redwine, punter Sterling Hofrichter and linebacker Deandre Johnson. Put cornerback Mackensie Alexander and fullback John Lovett on IR.Top 5 Last Chance Position BattlesCornerbackByron Jones on the PUP.Trill Williams and MacKensie Alexander on IR.Nik Needham is questionable with what coach McDaniel calls a “minor injury”.Locked-In: Xavien Howard, Byron Jones, Nik NeedhamKey Battle Participants: Noah Igbinoghene, Keion Crossen, Elijah Hamilton, Kader Kohou, Elijah Campbell, D'Angelo Ross, Quincy WilsonFree Agent Options: Joe Haden, Chris Harris Jr., Xavier Rhodes, Josh NormanLinebackerSurprised by the Deandre Johnson cut.Rookies Channing Tindall and Cameron Goode continue to show out.Locked-In: Jaelan Phillips, Jerome Baker, Elandon Roberts, Melvin Ingram, Andrew Van Ginkel, Channing TindallKey Battle Participants: Sam Eguavoen, Brennan Scarlett, Darius Hodge, Calvin Munson, Duke Riley, Cameron Goode, Porter Gustin Defensive LineThe fourth-year pro, Porter Gustin, is versatile and has been impressive.Undrafted Free Agents Ben Stille and Owen Carney Jr. have been making plays.Locked-In: Emmanuel Ogbah, Raekwon Davis, Christian Wilkins, Zach SielerKey Battle Participants: Niles Scott, Benito Jones, John Jenkins, Ben Stille, Owen Carney Jr., Porter GustinWide ReceiverEazy-E locks down a roster spot with a huge performance in week 2 of the preseason.Trent Sherfield may have locked down a spot as well, he's been consistently good all camp and was running with the first team in the second preseason game.Locked-In: Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Cedrick Wilson Jr., Trent Sherfield, Erik EzukanmaKey Battle Participants: Mohamed Sanu, Preston Williams, Lynn Bowden Jr., River Cracraft, Braylon SandersRunning BackZaQuandre White finally got his chance on the field and made the most of it.Locked-In: Chase Edmonds, Raheem MostertKey Battle Participants: Sony Michel, Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, Zaquandre White, Gerrid DoaksBONUS: QuarterbackSkylar Thompson was impressive for the second week in a row, going 9/10 for 129 yards and a touchdown. Big connection with Eazy-E too. Bridgewater went 10/20 for 119 yards and no scores.Do the Miami Dolphins keep three quarterbacks, consider letting Teddy go, or try to sneak Skylar onto the practice squad? Madden Prediction: Miami Dolphins 34, Philadelphia Eagles 0Teddy Bridgewater has a fine day, throwing for 140 yards and 2 touchdowns.Myles Gaskin earns a roster spot, running for 95 yards on 14 carries.Lynn Bowden Jr. continues to be explosive, with 80 yards on 2 catches.Jerome Baker balls out, recording 12 tackles, a sack, and 2 tackles-for-a-loss. Andrew Van Ginkel lays d
Travis is back for another edition of the Drive Time Podcast and we have landed the big fish for this episode. Brian Baldinger joins to impart his X's and O's wisdom on the Dolphins fan base and what they can expect from Mike McDaniel, John Embree, the offensive tendencies, the work that goes into play sequencing, and how the system can maximize Tua Tagovailoa and Jaylen Waddle. Plus, we take a look at some recent signings and break down River Cracraft, Daeshon Hall and John Lovett.
Blue-White Illustrated’s Greg Pickel says James Franklin had a message from last week and the team’s picked up on it, plus John Lovett’s future role in the offense, and more.
Tuesday 9/28/21 Hour 1 – Topics:Steve is joining the party questioning why Miles Sanders only had two carries last night, Guest: Blue-White Illustrated’s Greg Pickel, he says James Franklin had a message from last week and the team’s picked up on it, John Lovett’s future role in the offense, and more.
Blue-White Illustrated’s Greg Pickel says James Franklin had a message from last week and the team’s picked up on it, plus John Lovett’s future role in the offense, and more.
Tuesday 9/28/21 Hour 1 – Topics:Steve is joining the party questioning why Miles Sanders only had two carries last night, Guest: Blue-White Illustrated’s Greg Pickel, he says James Franklin had a message from last week and the team’s picked up on it, John Lovett’s future role in the offense, and more.
Today's edition of the Blue-White Breakdown features BTN analyst Joshua Perry's thoughts on Sean Clifford and a look at why John Lovett transferred to Penn State from Baylor. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/communications
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/political-science
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/american-studies
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
In considering how legislation moves forward in the American political system, we often think about elected representatives sitting in committee hearings or Senators speaking from the floor of the Senate to make a particular point. Woven into all of these ideas, which are not misguided, is the role (often behind the scenes) that congressional leaders play in trying to wrangle their caucuses to vote for or against legislation. In The Politics of Herding Cats: When Congressional Leaders Fail (U Michigan Press, 2021), Political Scientist John Lovett leads us into these processes and assumptions and unpacks the ways that congressional leaders are far less able to exert control over their caucuses because of the ways that individual members are able to pursue attention through the changing media landscape. While Lovett provides a coda at the end of the book indicating that social media, especially Twitter, has an outsized role in the ways that individual members can capture attention, the focus of the book is to look more closely at heritage media, especially The Washington Post, and trace the ways that members are able to work outside and around party and congressional leaders. By accessing media attention on their own, individual members can exercise power and have the capacity to essentially ignore the demands and requests of the party leadership within Congress. Lilly J. Goren is professor of political science at Carroll University in Waukesha, WI. She is co-editor of the award winning book, Women and the White House: Gender, Popular Culture, and Presidential Politics (University Press of Kentucky, 2012), as well as co-editor of Mad Men and Politics: Nostalgia and the Remaking of Modern America (Bloomsbury Academic, 2015). Email her comments at lgoren@carrollu.edu or tweet to @gorenlj. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/journalism
Penn State's running back situation appeared to be in decent shape even before the addition of John Lovett. But the graduate transfer from Baylor gives Penn State the luxury and comfort of having an experience running back to rely on in the backfield that they are still searching for at the quarterback position. Lovett can be a real home run threat too, according to head coach James Franklin. So how exactly will Lovett fit into the Penn State offense, and what should the expectations be for him this fall? FOLLOW, RATE, AND REVIEW! New episodes Locked On Nittany Lions post live beginning at 12:00 AM ET and can be accessed on all major podcasting platforms. Follow today to never miss a single episode, and go back and listen to previous shows! Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Stitcher | iHeart Radio | Amazon Music | Overcast | Himalaya | Audacy STAY SOCIALLY CONNECTED
On today's show, Jason, Mark, & Paul break down the Packers' news of Adrian Amos' and Preston Smith's contract restructuring, the non-tender of Tim Boyle, and the release of John Lovett. Don't miss it!
Advocates and legislators often want to generate media attention for their preferred legislation, but that does not help pass bills in Congress. Mary Layton Atkinson finds that media coverage focuses on legislation with partisan conflict and emphasizes process over policy substance. That tells voters that Congress is dysfunctional and full of extremists, reducing support for policy change. John Lovett finds that media coverage leads to more intervention by backbencher legislators, creating a spiral of increasing salience that makes it harder for leadership to pass bills. Congressional media coverage turns off the public with stories of conflict-ridden sausage making that disrupt internal consensus-building.
This week we take a deep dive into the new generation of mobile bioaerosol monitoring with two leaders of the movement. John Lovett is the CEO of DetectionTek Holdings the parent company and creators of, InstaScope an air sampling technology for instant mold and air quality assessment results. Developed by the military, applied commercially for indoor air quality, InstaScope is the only optical technology of its kind on the market. Prior to founding DetectionTek Mr. Lovett was CEO of Droplet Measurement Technologies. He has a long history as an entrepreneur, CEO and founder of companies such as Lovett Ski Co. (First commercially produced fiberglass Cross Country skis in US), The Ski Co., Frank Shorter Running Gear, Allied Marine and Anchor Asset Management. Dr. Hernandez attained all his engineering degrees from University of California at Berkeley. He is a registered professional civil engineer and an expert on the characterization and control of bioaerosols – both indoors and out. Based at the University of Colorado, he has 25 years of research leveraging forensic science into wide area surveillance and the design of aerosol disinfection systems for the built environment. LEARN MORE this week on IAQ Radio+.
It's our final show of 2020... Thank goodness. Sean Fitz and Tyler Donohue are back for a spot show between Christmas and New Year's to bring you the latest on Penn State football. The guys talk about the busy nature of the season with who is in, who is out and who could be in the Nittany Lions' immediate future. We're talking Transfer Portal, recruiting and more and we welcome in Bears Illustrated's Tim Watkins to talk about transfer running back John Lovett. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today's edition of the Blue-White Breakdown features a look at the arrival of grad transfer John Lovett and decisions to leave by tight end Pat Freiermuth and defensive end Shane Simmons. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
It was an eventful day for Penn State's roster on Monday. First, Penn State defensive lineman Shane Simmons announced he was passing on his final year of eligibility at Penn State to begin focusing on his business career. Second, Baylor running back John Lovett announced he is grad transferring to Penn State. Also, what is the perfect way to expand the College Football Playoff? SUBSCRIBE, RATE, AND REVIEW! New episodes Locked On Nittany Lions post live beginning at 12:00 AM ET and can be accessed on all major podcasting platforms. Subscribe today to never miss a single episode, and go back and listen to previous shows! Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Stitcher | iHeart Radio | Amazon Music | Overcast | Himalaya STAY SOCIALLY CONNECTED
This special episode offers a recording of the workshop on property law at the annual Ius Commune Conference (www.iuscommune.eu). The Ius Commune research school is an international research school that organizes an annual conference. In 2020 it was hosted by Maastricht University and had to take place fully online. This long recording offers (a somewhat edited) recorded of the workshop. The contributions of the speakers were not edited to preserve the content of what was said. Below are the time-markings for each of the speakers. After the contribution from Sjef van Erp, Elsabe van der Sijde and Marc Roark and John Lovett, there is a general discussion on the contributions. At 00:03:47 Sjef van Erp (Maastricht) speaks on the ownership of data in Corona apps on mobile devices. More information about Sjef is available at https://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/s.vanerp At 00:38:34 Bram Akkermans (Maastricht) opens the first panel on Property and Sustainability and speaks about the need for property and planetary flourishing. More information about Bram is available at https://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/b.akkermans At 00:54:00 Jill Robbie (Glasgow) speaks about Scots experiences with the Covid-19 pandemic and shares her personal insights into what this means for property law. More information about Jill is available at https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/law/staff/jillrobbie/ At 01:07:31 Elsabe van der Sijde (Stellenbosch) speaks about South African experiences with the Covid-19 pandemic and shares her personal insights into what this means for property law. More information about Elsabe is available at https://www.linkedin.com/in/elsabe-van-der-sijde-1b458236/?originalSubdomain=uk At 01:44:52 Lorna Fox O'Mahony (Essex) speaks about the English, UK and Irish experiences with the Covid-19 pandemic and shares her personal insights into what this means for property law. More information about Lorna is available at https://www.essex.ac.uk/people/foxom36509/lorna-fox-o-mahony At 02:06:50 Marc Roark and John Lovett speak about the US experiences with the Covid-19 pandemic and share their personal insights into what this means for property law. More information about Marc is available at https://www.sulc.edu/page/marc-l-roark and about John at https://www.loyno.edu/academics/faculty-and-staff-directory/john-lovett.
In this first episode of PropertyCon Podcast I speak with Professor John Lovett, De Van D. Daggett, Jr. Distinguished Professor of Law at Loyola Law School in New Orleans. He has been active as a legal practitioner and a clerk for the United States District Court, Western District of Louisiana and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. In the past years John has been reporter drafting the Uniform Easement Relocation Act (UERA) under the auspices of the Uniform Law Commission (www.uniformlaws.org). During the podcast we discuss the Uniform Easement Relocation Act, which was inspired by Louisiana law, that - in its turn - is inspired by French law. The UERA offers a unique example of a legal transplant in the area of property law. You can find the UERA here: https://www.uniformlaws.org/viewdocument/final-act-with-comments-51?CommunityKey=ec690784-90d6-42c3-99ea-1e13a49c8540&tab=librarydocuments More information on John Lovett: https://www.loyno.edu/academics/faculty-and-staff-directory/john-lovett Please follow PropertyCon at @PropConOnline on twitter and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Amy & Etta discuss Baylor's ill-fated Austin trip and speculate about all the things! Will Trestan Ebner and John Lovett play again this season? Or ever again in green and gold? WHO KNOWS! Also, what's the deal with Baylor's offense ? Things aren't great, but, of course, it's 2020 and everything is made up and meaningless!
Baylor RB John Lovett spoke with the media following the Bears 17-14 win over KU.
The First in Football Podast is back! Host Cody Chrusciel catches up with Princeton Football head coach Bob Surace, junior tight end Carson Bobo, and - fresh off his NFL regular-season debut – two-time Bushnell Cup winner John Lovett.
Mason Crosby, Jace Sternberger & Treyvon Hester have all been placed on the COVID-19 List. This is not a confirmation that any player has tested positive for COVID, but may have been in contact with someone who has. Anthony Barr from the Vikings was also placed on the list today as well as Kenny Golladay & TJ Hockenson from the Lions. Subscribe! YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg6jOxpPC46mnBs9NsgLcvg/join OR Click Join button next to Subscribe Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/tomgrossicomedy Purchase your Packast merch here: https://www.bonfire.com/store/packast/ Send pics/videos of you and your Packast merch to grossiposse@gmail.com to be featured in the 100k video Download HotMIc on IOS & use the promo code: Grossi IOS: Hotmic.ios Android: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/io.hotmic.hotmic Use promo code: TOMGROSSI to save $20 on your next ticket purchase from SeatGeek. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6bOAtbK... Fan mail: PO Box 614 Jefferson Valley, NY 10535 Buy 'Allergic to Fun': iTunes: itunes.apple.com/us/album/allergi…s&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 Amazon: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FZGHQ4S Physical Copy: www.tomgrossicomedy.com/shop/allergictofun Twitter/Instagram/TikTok: @tomgrossicomedy
On Today's Show: - Schwartz leaves practice- Offensive Efficiency- John Lovett's could be the Hybrid we've been hearing about- CB depth is getting thinner each dayLatest RGR Videos:Chris Jones in camp for Kansas City Chiefs - https://youtu.be/abSI2eJOMiwChiefs Patrick Mahomes Ready to Roll for Super Bowl 54 - https://youtu.be/9E4f1nBb01YChiefs Top-5 Keys to Training Camp - https://youtu.be/MjkFlxM-5U8Connect: @RyanTracyNFL | @ChrisClarkNFL | @RealMNChiefsFan @LockedOnChiefs | Voicemail: 913-777-4457Subscribe: iTunes | Google Play | Stitcher | Spreaker | Spotify#Chiefs #ChiefsKingdom #RGR #NFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
On Today's Show: - Schwartz leaves practice - Offensive Efficiency - John Lovett’s could be the Hybrid we’ve been hearing about - CB depth is getting thinner each day Latest RGR Videos: Chris Jones in camp for Kansas City Chiefs - https://youtu.be/abSI2eJOMiw Chiefs Patrick Mahomes Ready to Roll for Super Bowl 54 - https://youtu.be/9E4f1nBb01Y Chiefs Top-5 Keys to Training Camp - https://youtu.be/MjkFlxM-5U8 Connect: @RyanTracyNFL | @ChrisClarkNFL | @RealMNChiefsFan @LockedOnChiefs | Voicemail: 913-777-4457 Subscribe: iTunes | Google Play | Stitcher | Spreaker | Spotify #Chiefs #ChiefsKingdom #RGR #NFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Phil Perry is joined by Emory Hunt, writer for The Athletic and founder of Football Gameplan, to discuss some of the lesser-known talent the Patriots might be interested in in the upcoming NFL Draft.3:28 - Emory gives us his take on two players out of Princeton University: Wide receiver Jesper Horsted and quarterback John Lovett. The latter of the two has the makeup to potentially play multiple positions at the NFL level.8:14 - Next, Emory talks about wide receiver Nsimba Webster out of Easter Washington University and compares him to Troy Brown as a versatile player who's a reliable pass-catcher as well as a threat on kick returns.10:35 - Phil asks about Assumption's Deonte Harris, who Emory calls "the best returner in the draft class period." This leads to a conversation about judging a player's talent if he's going up against below-average opponents.15:48 - Moving on to running backs, Emory goes through a list of three big backs that might fit into the Patriots system: Desmond Nisby out of Texas Wesleyan, Xavier Turner out of Tarleton State, and Jaymar Anderson out of East Stroudsburg State.19:40 - Only one tight end to talk about, but Emory has a lot to say about Isaiah Searight out of Fordham, who might be a good complementary piece for the Pats next to Austin Seferian-Jenkins.22:46 - Phil wraps up his conversation with Emory talking about BJ Blunt, a defensive back out of McNeese State, who could be a similar player to Rodney Harrison.
John Lovett is a veteran industry analyst and expert consultant who has spent the past decade helping organizations to understand and measure their digital marketing activities. Prior to joining Web Analytics Demystifed, John was a Senior Analyst at Forrester Research where he led the Analytics and Optimization practice. John is a past president of the Digital Analytics Association and author of Social Media Metrics Secrets (Wiley, 2011).Support the show (https://www.digitalanalyticsassociation.org/assoc_subscribe.asp?utm_source=buzzfeed)
The latest Original Eleven provides a wrap-up conversation with 2018 Ivy League Head Coach of the Year Bob Surace, who reflects on several aspects of a truly historic fall season for the Princeton Tigers. Among the topics Surace discusses: the phrase "taking the cheese"; the leadership of the Class of 2019; building an Ivy-best offense around Chad Kanoff and then John Lovett; undervalued players on both sides of the ball; the Dartmouth showdown; and what comes next. You can listen to all of that and plenty more by downloading this postseason edition of the Original Eleven. Remember, you can also subscribe to 'Princeton Tigers' on Apple Podcasts or your preferred podcast app and get every episode from the Princeton Podcast Network.
The Week 8 edition of The Bob Surace Show from the Alchemist and Barrister in Princeton – Featuring Princeton football head coach Bob Surace, quarterback John Lovett, and offensive coordinator Sean Gleeson. Original air date: 11/1/18 on Fox Sports 920 The Jersey.
Ivy League and CFPA National Offensive Player of the Week John Lovett joins this week's podcast to talk about the brilliant start to the 2018 season, the challenging process just to get to this point, and the transition he has made to the fulltime starting QB role. Also, Craig Sachson and Cody Chrusciel break down the dominant 51-9 victory over Monmouth, and they share early thoughts on the 2018 Ivy race, which starts Friday night on ESPNU for Princeton. Interviews: Week 2 breakdown (0:45); John Lovett (13:25)
On this episode of The Bonus Material Podcast, Thom Carnell & Langley J West talk with screenwriter, John Lovett. John works as a script doctor and teaches script writing here in the Pacific Northwest. We'll talk about John's career, how important a story is to a script, and give our thoughts on storytelling and working within Genre. After the break, Thom & Langley return to discuss news, review some trailers, and make a few recommendations.
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E.B. Moss: Hey, it's E.B. Moss, Managing Editor for MediaVillage and I am on location yet again, so excited to be at Podcast Movement in Anaheim California. Podcast Movement 2017, I think it's their fourth year. And of the couple thousand people here, I bumped into Jason Hoch, who is the Chief Content Officer for HowStuffWorks. I bumped into him right after he happen to have walked up the stage holding two statuettes, awards that he won here at Podcast Movement so I wanted to grab the opportunity to talk to you. Hey, Jason. Jason Hoch: It's so great to be here. E.B. Moss: Good to see you. We had spoken in the past before and I'm a big fan of HowStuffWorks, and I thought that we could just chat about what's new for you, what's new in your vision of podcasting, and have a little free-for-all. Jason Hoch: Yeah, absolutely. It's really interesting to be here. If anyone was in Chicago last year, one of the quick observations is this is pretty hot space, there's a lot more people here. A lot more people creating I think interesting entertaining content, and the whole technology wing of things too. Things like dynamic ad serving is part of the track here. The monetization opportunities, the data and analytics surrounding everything podcast related. That's really exciting because it says it's part of a bigger movement of interest, so we're having all these great new shows and creators come on the platform and we're also able to measure it. And why is that important? The evolution of this as a really amazing platform and that we can't play tricks with our users. They really do listen to these episodes. They really do want a place where they can listen for 30, 45 minutes, maybe 60 minutes. This is a daily part of a lot of people's lives. Learning how those things connect together both on the execution side, from the tech perspective and then how we create content. It's really interesting to see how all these things are coming together. The other interesting part is this just has all gotten bigger. So many people, so many listeners are coming and discovering podcasts and making it part of their daily routine. Our goal is to inform and entertain people to really provide that delight in people's lives. Those couple hours of the day, where they may be jogging, they may be commuting, that miserable commute or as we often hear from a lot of our listeners, before they go to bed. All those things are really important touch points. Early on, we thought, yeah, people only want to listen to the five minute podcast, because they’ve only got so much time in their day. But we were wrong on that; what people wanted is long read for audio. They wanted to deep dive with us. They wanted to have that one on one connection and they're consuming these podcasts like math. E.B. Moss: Yes. Jason Hoch: Over the years, we broke this huge catalog of content where you start with one episode and you just keep going, and we really built an organic fan base under that. We look up now, we’ve got over 6,000 episodes of content, that's over 3,000 hours, and we're going to continue to add more shows to our roster and it's just happening everywhere. E.B. Moss: Well, I think that also part of the appeal is that people feel like they're learning something with podcasts in general and particularly with the suite of content from HowStuffWorks. Jason Hoch: Yeah, I've always said we never want bad experience informing people. We never wanted to sound like we're reading out of a dictionary or an encyclopedia. We'd like to say we're perfectly imperfect. We walk up two topics that maybe we didn't know anything about, we were very curious about because we've kind of figured that the audience is going to have that same perspective, and we want to surprise people with topics that maybe they didn't really realize how exciting it was until they heard us talk about it. Do it in a detailed way, again with flaws and all, and actually that's part of the organic conversation is our discovery process about topics from the sun to anything else that we ever decide to cover, and that's part of what makes it so raw and interesting and organic and entertaining frankly too. E.B. Moss: Yeah, and entertaining because you have a whole slew of, sort of, I'll call them verticals... Jason Hoch: We do – a whole slew of verticals from food to science to history and beyond. E.B. Moss: I also saw that you've got some development in comedy. Jason Hoch: Yeah. This year has been a really exciting year, because we know what we have. We've got upwards of 37 million downloads per month and people really consuming everything that we're giving them, and so we really want to be what we call the home for creative geniuses. As much as it is about offering entertaining options for our listeners, what does that mean as a creator? We really want to be that home, and so we've made a couple big moves in this space this year. First is bringing in Will Pearson and Mangesh Hattikudur who are the founders of Mental Floss. They founded the magazine in their dorm room in 2002 at Duke University. E.B. Moss: I'm a big fan of Mental Floss. Jason Hoch: They started this magazine because they were having conversations in the dorm room about all kinds of brand of topics. Two of the most curious guys I've ever met and I've been friends with them for 10 years. We always looked at each other: ‘How would we work together, and how is this all going to happen?’ We brought them on board, earlier this year, and they've launched the show called Part-time Genius. That Part-time Genius is a look at quirky funny look at some amazing things from the weirdest presidents to the strangest college courses to will we live forever, asking the big question and unpacking some pretty dense topics in a really really fun way, so they offer a complimentary, yet different voice for us. Secondly, here in LA, we've actually opened new offices, headed up by Jack O'Brien, who is the founder of Cracked.com, he was the Editor-in-Chief and really grew that into a really amazingly popular platform. He's come here to open up that office to startup a series of comedy shows. He's a brilliant guy. He's a great writer, and he's going to have a team of regulars joined by journalists and comedians and actually given the opportunity to be really funny, to riff, to be able to really have that organic funny look at our frankly inane world of politics and beyond. I think that there's an opportunity to be a little bit funnier and entertaining in this space, and we're going to hit people with a pretty high frequency show and really deliver, I think, something really unique in the space. This is going to be the first of a series of shows that Jack will continue to develop and finding that diamond in the rough talent, and really working with them to develop them, super excited about that. E.B. Moss: Well, this is a great space to find the diamond in the rough podcasting, gives voice to so many different types of personalities, and then they're becoming stars. We recently did an article on the success story of Two Dope Queens and everyone from, let's take a Guy Raz moving from journalism within NPR over to another show on how things get built. Jason Hoch: Yes. E.B. Moss: You're finding a lot of success from other platforms as well, and things are going to and from and back to podcasting, didn't your origins include an early show? Jason Hoch: Yeah, it is interesting to see the evolution. This is pure digital media. We're always up for change. We've seen things like one of the awards we won last night was for Brain Stuff, and this was actually our first podcast, and it was a five minute show that we recorded in Marshall Brain's closet from his house, and he would just crank up content. It was very early, and we thought that people only wanted a five minute show, and they wanted something a little bit longer. We kept going with that show and eventually we put it in re-runs and continue to grow, because there were 5 to 600 episodes of this content, and so many people coming on that platform. So, Marshall recorded that show for a number of years. We put it in re-runs, and even though it was in re-runs we continue to find an audience as the podcast, audience grew, that then became a video series and was on YouTube and everywhere else, had multiple personalities and writers and collaborators, and then we actually rebooted the podcast with fresh new episodes based on that video series. This is the crossover trans-media thing that happens so often and now we're developing new Brain Stuff episodes based on brand new topics and we're going to go to daily show. E.B. Moss: Also five minutes or have you decided to go longer? Jason Hoch: Keep it five minutes. E.B. Moss: Okay, so there's something for everyone. Jason Hoch: There's something for everyone. I don't think we've made any decisions on this but we feel like there's an opportunity in the smart speaker space, and the smart phone space. You talk about flash briefings. You talk about everything happening there where that shorter content has been primarily influenced by a news drop, if you will, what else is there? We think there's a space for science and technology and history in those topics. I can listen to one if I want or I can actually binge listen a whole bunch of this stuff because it's evergreen and this is a behavior that we see, again over and over, so let's find new ways to delight people in a way that best fits with the environment that they're in. We just continue to play in those spaces and learn, it's very exciting. E.B. Moss: You have been with HowStuffWorks for a long time, Jason, right? Jason Hoch: Yeah, I was with the team from 2007 to 2011. We've sold the business to Discovery in 2009 for $250 million, did a little integration dance with Discovery for a couple years. I left to run digital for WWE up in Stanford, Connecticut. Super exciting time, and they asked me to come back about three and a half years ago. Right as we're percolating where this podcast thing goes, I said let's start to really embrace this. Let's think a little bit differently than we have in the past, and really get behind this in a big way. We moved offices. We built studios. We started to really see some great results and we saw a growth in our downloads, that was 3 to 4X over the last couple years as all organic growth. All us being ourselves, people appreciating great content, and frankly letting our hosts do their thing. Having mad respect for what they do, their process, their research ...and lots of things pop out of that from live tours to many of these pages on Facebook or in the hundreds of thousands to millions and be able to have a direct connection with them and then for us, one of our advantages is being able to tell those stories in a 360 way. We talk about video with Brain Stuff. Seeing Josh and Chuck from Stuff You Should Know, seeing some of the teams that's actually creating this with video as both a promotional mechanism, a reach mechanism, just drawing the connection. It taps into the nature of podcast, where people feel like they get to know you. They feel they've really connected with you and that's the secret sauce of podcasts. But for us, it's drawing those connections everywhere without it being a distraction and it being a compliment, and so as more people walk up to all of this, we see them in so many different platforms. E.B. Moss: Right, so hats off to you on moving things forward so well and I'll wrap it up with a little bit of the business question and ask you to take off your content expertise hat, and put on your futurist hat, and your business model hat: where are things going in terms of move revenue for podcasting, do you ever produce for advertisers or are there new tactics and technologies that are going to drive more revenue? Jason Hoch: Yeah, I think it's a great question. One of the things that we've seen in other digital platforms is tricking the user, tricking the consumer, it's click-bait this, it's five ads on a page, it's all kinds of things to get more traffic. It's a game that's being played all over the place, and I just think that if you trick users on a podcast platform, they're not going to stick to your podcast. So we have to be real, and so what is the overall appeal of a podcast? Again, it's that one on one connection, but it is like audio long, it's 30 to 45 minutes. It's not a three second Facebook video, and so people are spending a lot of time with us, they are actually paying attention to the ads or the commercials, and early data bares that out. We're seeing the data that we've seen so far says that people are listening pretty much all the way through a podcast. They're actually doing what we think that they've been doing all along, that they're not actually skipping the ads, that they're enjoying them. They're just sitting back, relaxing, it's just part of their day. And we respect those borders, we respect the listeners so much that we just don't want to cloud up the feed with all these other stuff. What does that mean for the future of this platform? I believe that this is pretty much the best most premium platform, in which we treated as such. This is not a raise to the bottom, this is that opportunity to really connect with people in a really special time in their day, and so let's make it a premium offering. This has been really triggered early on with some of the direct response advertisers, they're seeing real results, real conversion, we're getting real data out of this that says “this works”. The bigger agencies and brands...frankly, our industry has not done a good enough job articulating what it is we do, what is our metric, what is our standard, and how do we measure cut in everything else. We're going to see a transformation over the next 12 to 36 months that allow those measurement, because those agencies are thinking about the language of websites, and video pre-rolls and Facebook reach, and not that it has to be a one to one match, but how do we articulate this in a way that they can understand, that they can advocate for their brands, and they can say here's what you're going to get out of it, here's the results. Even if you're a big brand, we have some proof points that says this does move the needle, there is awareness. It doesn't necessarily require an offer code but this is an audience that's very very much captivated and paying attention to your message, and so how we capture that, measure that, and report on that ultimately helps all of us. And I think we're in that position now where we have technology investment and analytics to be able to support our story, but frankly we've been all raising our hand, and saying we had all along. Now we've got the thing to support it. E.B. Moss: You are in a unique position because HowStuffWorks not only builds its own content but you host your own content and you sell your own content. Jason Hoch: That's right. E.B. Moss: Your metrics are aligned with what we're seeing from Edison Research and it sounds like podcasting is doing great for advertisers and we're going to rule the world soon. Jason Hoch: I hope so, I think we've got so much opportunity. Anytime you start to throw some big numbers around, that's when people start to pay attention. When you look at the agency world, you also are finding that a lot of the younger consumers of podcasts, they're the ones actually working the agency saying we need to start paying attention to podcast. And again we have not armed them with enough data to be able to understand how this actually carries over to the brands, and I think we're going to find more specific podcast pies. I think you're going to see a scale on the size of those pies and real partnerships to figure this out. I don't necessarily think we need to go all the way into turning this industry into necessarily branded content podcasts. I think that part of the organic connection within the shows that we have that are informative and entertaining is pretty substantial so let's focus on that. Let's really deliver a great experience for listeners, but also for the ad partners everywhere. E.B. Moss: Jason Hoch, that was very well put. Thank you so much for spending time with me, and talking about HowStuffWorks in the world of podcasting in general. I think that you've raised the bar for a lot of the folks here and we look forward to hearing more from you in all verticals and realms. Jason Hoch: Yeah, thank you. It's going to be a big year. I can't wait to share with you all the upcoming stuff. E.B. Moss: I'll be listening. Thank you. E.B. Moss: Alright we're back at Podcast Movement 17, 2017. And now I'm here with Jay Green and Jay is the Senior Vice President Digital Strategy and Analytics for Cadence 13. Jay Green: Cadence 13, hi E.B. E.B. Moss: Hey Jay, so this is big news because as of yesterday I believe, it was digital. Jay Green: Digital Media, yeah we announced our rebranding at 9:30 this morning. E.B. Moss: That's great, I'm so glad to have the fresh news. Yay, so I know you from working at AdLarge Media, and you and I were also at Westwood One, separately but differently. Jay Green: Yeah, I think we missed each other by about two weeks. E.B. Moss: Yeah, that's right. So, we caught up at AdLarge and now I have the opportunity to interview my former co-worker! So tell me how life is now at Cadence 13? Jay Green: It's great, it's really been a whirlwind. I've been in podcasting now for a little over four years and it's incredible. It really is, it's a wild ride. I was telling someone the other day that I had never had the opportunity to be in an industry as it's growing. I graduated college and got into radio and it was 1998, so radio had kind of hit its peak already. So it's awesome. E.B. Moss: Well I've had the opportunity to benefit from your enthusiasm, you taught me so much along the way Jay. Now I'm going to ask you to teach some other people ... Jay Green: Sure. E.B. Moss: ... who are listening to this. So that was a little bit about your background, tell me more about what you're doing now with the new Cadence 13. Jay Green: Yeah, I'd love to. So Cadence 13 we are, for lack of a better term, we are a podcast content firm. What does that mean? It means that we are producing content with many of our 75 shows but then the biggest for there and our core competency is sales and marketing. So not only are we producing the content, but we are selling sponsorships within the show, working with our advertisers, creating segments. But what we've also noticed is, we need to be able to promote those shows. So that's another thing we work with our podcasters is to promote the shows, whether it's on other podcasts, if it's buying social on Facebook, or Snapchat, Instagram, whatever that might be. So we kind of have all courts taken care of. E.B. Moss: Wow, okay. And so some of those 75 or so podcasts, some of the bigger ones are Pod Save America, and ... Jay Green: Yeah Pod Save America would certainly be our biggest, really all the crooked media fantastic shows from Pod Save America, Pod Save The World, Bump It Or Leave It. We started really with political and sports, so Tony Kornheiser out of Washington DC is very great, big show for us. And recently we've actually gone into, we're expanding because we've certainly seen, what's nice about podcasting is it's growing. Podcast really started out as comedy, every comedian had a podcast. But now we're actually growing into female podcasts, lifestyle podcasts. So we have some great shows like Yoga Girl, which does extremely well. And actually yesterday we relaunched Girl Boss Radio. E.B. Moss: Oh, great. Jay Green: So everybody knows Sophia, and that's doing really well too. E.B. Moss: Oh, that's good. That's right up our women advancing vertical at Media Village. Jay Green: Yep, absolutely. E.B. Moss: We love it. Jay Green: And Sophia's fantastic to work with. E.B. Moss: Oh good, you'll line her up for our next interview. Jay Green: Sure. E.B. Moss: Okay, good. And so how did the name change come along, what was the impudence for that? Jay Green: That's a great question. Digital media was kind of a throwback to our executives, we all kind of work together at a network radio company called Dial Global... which became Westwood One. So it was kind of throwing honor to that, the old DG moniker and he was able to make digital media. But as we've grown we've seen maybe it's time to grow from that as well. So the executive's kind of sat down and thought about it and it became Cadence is kind of just we're stepping into our rhythm, we're making our own beat, making our own way. So that's kind of where Cadence came from, and it kind of rolls of the tongue. The 13 I'll make it very easy for you, is as you can probably assume Cadence Media, or Cadence itself, was taken by so many different companies already so they looked at it and our company moved from SoHo into Midtown Manhattan last December and since they made that move so many different things have happened. Crooked Media took off, and Girl Boss, and Yoga Girl took off and we're hired, we're up to 40 people now working for the company and we're on the 13th floor. E.B. Moss: Oh. Jay Green: As well as my CEO loves Apollo 13, Legends 13, and different things. So 13 for us has kind of been a lucky number. E.B. Moss: Oh good. Jay Green: So Cadence 13 is what it became. E.B. Moss: Oh, it sounds lucky. Jay Green: Yeah. E.B. Moss: That's great. So how would you, we spoke to How Stuff Works Jason Hoch recently, and there is a lot of content that makes the world of podcasting. How do you distinguish yourself from something like that type of sales marketing content production company? Jay Green: Sure, that's a great question. So a company and content like How Stuff Works they've got their core competency. You know what you're getting with that, it's House of Work, History, whatever that might be. And that's what they're very good at and they've made a really nice name for themselves doing so. With us we started with political, with Crooked, and Sports With Tony, and Fox Sports and whatnot. For us it's really about influencers, we want people who are the influencers ... Whether it's YouTube stars like David Dobrik and The Views From Us, or Rhett and Link with Ear Biscuits. Those are people that people want to listen to, they want to shout to. And that's not to say that it hasn't come with its own growing pains across the way. I'll give you an example, our Views show is hosted by two gentlemen and as we're selling it, the fit just didn't seem right for whatever reason for the advertisers that we were putting in there. And as we kept growing with it, we looked at it and we said, something's off here. So about two weeks ago they had an event in Los Angeles, that was at 1:00 in the afternoon. At 7:00 am there was a line of 1,000 pre-teen and teenage girls around the corner for this. Everyone said okay, we're looking at this show all wrong, all wrong. And it's funny, but we started talking okay we know who our target is, how do we reach that with two plus 20-year-old guys? How do you do that? So our president John Murphy, asked his 15-year-old daughter, do you know Dave Dobrik and she goes, do you know him? He goes yeah, we represent his show, we produce his show. She goes wait a minute, dad this whole time you've had his show and I didn't know it? He goes yeah, and she goes what kind of products ... She goes like L’Oréal, or Chanel, anything like that. She goes yeah but it would be awkward coming from them. So we had to pivot a little bit on that, and what happened was now Dave's girlfriend is going to come in and do the reads because it's still the great content but it's a female talking in the show about it. So it taught us to pivot a little bit, which is great. So again, but that's what I'm getting at with the influence and marketing. You see the eyes light up on her face just like I love this show, this guy's going to talk to me, this is great, this is what I want to listen to. So that's kind of where we're going with all of this. E.B. Moss: And that speaks also to your insights about ad sales strategy, a big part of what you do. Jay Green: Yeah. E.B. Moss: So where do you see things going and how do you, when you don't have a focus group of one with John's daughter ... Jay Green: Right, of course. E.B. Moss: ... how do you identify the audiences, and the kind of uptake that you're getting from them? Jay Green: Certainly podcast metrics have been a big question for everybody. And Apple certainly is doing a great job of opening up those doors so we can start getting more and learn from each other. One of the things we do with each new show that comes on is do a survey of their audience, figure out who they are demographics wise and whatnot. There's certainly other platforms like iHeart and Spotify, which are shows that are on that do provide us from their registration data who's listens to the shows. So from all of that we're able to aggregate and get a feel for who they are. E.B. Moss: Got it. So a lot of the content that you are selling it's primarily produced, it's bespoke content that Cadence 13 is producing. You have a couple of stand outs as we mentioned, the Vox ... Jay Green: Yeah I'd say about 80-90% of our shows are produced in house. We have partnerships with the different talent and show creators, which is fantastic. We have a partnership with Fox and Fox Sports where they do produce their own shows, which has worked out very well also. So it's great to have a good mix like that. E.B. Moss: So let's talk about the future. Where are we doing with podcasting? I know that that's what podcast movement's all about, but what about at Cadence 13? Jay Green: Sure, the future is definitely very bright. What's great about podcasting is, and certainly what I've seen, is it's not just audio. There's a lot of these hosts and the talent has so much more of a brand where podcasting is only one subsection of that. It could be a large subsection, it could be a smaller subsection. But as I mentioned the Views, they do events around. Crooked Media they do live podcasts all around, there are authors, there are photographers, whatever they might be, different talent. So we're working with all of them to sale not just the audio but beyond that as well whether it's social integrations, or live integrations. So the future is very bright, it's really seeing great growth, and we've seen that from the advertisers as well. Whereas even as little as two years ago it was podcasting, I don't know. E.B. Moss: Right. Jay Green: Who's handling that, something give it to another division to handle. And now we're getting like okay, I need you to teach me about podcasting. I want the budget in my department. Which is fantastic, it makes us very bullish on what we're doing and that we're taking the right steps. E.B. Moss: Any case studies you can talk about? Jay Green: In regards to? E.B. Moss: High profile sponsors, success stories? Jay Green: Sure, let me think about that. E.B. Moss: I'm putting you on the spot I know. Jay Green: No, it's all good. E.B. Moss: But everybody wants to know the case studies. Jay Green: Sure, look the easiest case study is certainly direct response. With any medium direct response is always the first to doctor because if it works they're going to keep investing. And those are your stamps.com, your Blue Aprons, go in listen and use my code. They're not giving the code to give you the 10% as much as they like, they're using the code to see is it working, how many people are coming from being on Pod Save America, how many people are coming from being on Yoga Girl. If it didn't work they would not be coming back and spending as much money as they are in the industry. So that right there is your ultimate case study. E.B. Moss: The canary in the coal mine so to speak. Jay Green: So, so to speak. Then you look at we've certainly had some other major brands such as Sonos has got into the space, Spotify is advertising in the space, we have clients like ADT, major brands that are advertising in the space because they are seeing podcasting as a very valuable tool. This is not a 30 second pre-recorded produced ad where somebody's telling you about a feature. This is our hosts talking about it, and again when I said earlier we're looking for influencers, that's why. Because this is not music, while music is great, look I was playing Springsteen as I was getting dressed this morning. I always have music on, but the music experience tends to be a little bit more passive, it's in the background, the ad comes on in the background, and you'll notice it and that's fine. But with podcasting I want to go hear what John Lovett has to say, what happened with Trump or whatever anything like that might be. And when I'm listening to that podcast for what John has to say, or Sophia has to say, the ad becomes a part of that. Our ad loads are very small, we're not bulking them up together so they're not intrusive too much and they're making them their own. And that's why they're influencers because I want to hear what they have to say. And the advertiser and the sponsor message becomes a part of that. And that's really what moves it. E.B. Moss: And will you, or are you, getting into any custom content, branded podcasts? Jay Green: Sure, yeah we've spoken to a number of agencies about that who are looking more and more to do some branded content. Or say hey listen, I know you're creating a podcast, we'd love to own it completely and just have it. I'm the type of guy who, especially when we're growing medium, all boats rise with the tides. E.B. Moss: Yes. Jay Green: I think you really need to look at what Panoply did with GE and the message. E.B. Moss: Right. Jay Green: I think that was an amazing use of branded content. And Matt Turck and his team did a phenomenal job of that. E.B. Moss: Agreed, mm-hmm (affirmative) that's great. And so are there any new ad tactics coming down the road? Is there anything that Cadence 13 is doing differently or plans to do differently? Jay Green: That's a great question. I think in 2018 we're going to be doing more and more dynamic ad insertion. Still host read advertisements, just it gives the advertisers a little bit more detail on reporting and listenership. So we're going to move in that way a little direction. That's one thing, we're certainly going to look at expanding our roster of talent. Getting more genres open to it... E.B. Moss: That's great. Alright, Jay Green ... Jay Green: E.B. E.B. Moss: ... VP Digital Strategy and Analytics at the now named Cadence 13, formerly Digital Media. I gave you enough plugs with that name I think already. Jay Green: Yeah, I think you gave me enough. E.B. Moss: Alright, thanks for talking with me. Jay Green: E.B. thank you so much it was great seeing you. E.B. Moss: You too. E.B. Moss: Alrighty, for the third leg of the Podcast Movement podcast I'm talking to someone who is a Kinesiologist/Petroleum Landsman blogger/podcaster. I'm talking to Taylor Bradford, who is the host of Boss Girl Creative podcast. Taylor Bradford: Yay, hi! E.B. Moss: Yay, Taylor, did I get it right? Taylor Bradford: You did, thank you. E.B. Moss: Yeah, so excited to talk to you. You are part of this podcast where we spoke to, let's just say a couple of big cheeses at a couple of big podcast networks, as mentioned we spoke to How Stuff Works's Jason Hoch, and your fellow panelist today at Podcast Movement, Jay Green, who's now with the rebranded DGital Media, now called Cadence 13, and you, yay! Taylor Bradford: Yay! That's exciting, thank you. E.B. Moss: It is, you're welcome. And it's exciting for me too because I came up through the podcasting business just in the last couple of years and became really passionate about it, and well we're both women, and I think that that's a little bit of your story too, right? Taylor Bradford: Yes. Absolutely. E.B. Moss: We joked about, or I joked about the fact that you've worn multiple hats throughout your career and think what I learned about you is that your through line is that you're curious. You love just diving into something and then you uncover, or as they say these days unpack- E.B. Moss: Everything you can learn about a certain subject, right? Taylor Bradford: Yes. Oh, absolutely. E.B. Moss: So, tell me a little bit about, well I know from being a petroleum landsman that you were sent to the field to live in a hotel for weeks on end, and what did that lead to? Taylor Bradford: To blogging, because I was absolutely bored out of my mind. Being in west Texas where there is absolutely nothing but oil, and people that don't trust you because you're there for oil, and just stuck in this hotel room and surrounded by men, so I had no female companions. My industry is very, very male dominated and I needed a creative outlet, and I had started a blog in 2008 and then realized, I had discovered the Pioneer Woman's blog back then and I was like, "This woman could be my best friend and she doesn't even know it." I binge read through her entire back catalog and was fascinated by the platform, and so it re-sparked that creative side in me when I was stuck in this hotel room not having anything to do. And I just started blogging five to six days a week just to have something to do. E.B. Moss: Okay. And so you started to amass a bit of a following on blogging and you realized that you were passionate about that, and then you learned everything there was to learn about blogging. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And then you realized that to promote it you wanted to tap into social media. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And you learned everything there was to know about social media? Taylor Bradford: Yeah, right. So when I started blogging Pinterest didn't exist yet, and Instagram didn't exist yet, and so these platforms came out, and it's like, "Ooh, shiny object syndrome. Let's go see what this is all about and how it can be leveraged for bloggers, and how we can get our content out there in front of new eyeballs because we all want to grow but we can't grow without people reading." And the social media platforms allow us to be discovered through new audiences. E.B. Moss: And so one of those tools for discovery and expanding upon the awareness of your blog was a podcast? Taylor Bradford: Absolutely, oh my gosh, yes. E.B. Moss: Alright. And then you learned everything there was to know about podcasting, alright. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And so now fast forward, and you're a freaking panelist a few years later at Podcast Movement, and you're represented by Jessica Kupferman I think, right? Taylor Bradford: Yes. Yes, I am. E.B. Moss: Alright. So that brings us to today. So now your podcast, Boss Girl Creative, is all about helping everybody else understand the blogging space and now you've got a ton of followers to your podcast about blogging. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: Okay. Taylor Bradford: Yeah. E.B. Moss: And you've started to grow revenue off that as well. Taylor Bradford: I have, absolutely. E.B. Moss: So that's our big back story as to why you fit in so beautifully between our two, let's just call them bigger corporate type of entities, with podcasting. So, what was the first thing you did to get started with the podcast? Taylor Bradford: So, I actually bought some courses, because I need to know, like how much equipment is this even going to take for me to make this happen? I don't have a studio, I'm not going to be professionally produced, and I knew right out of the gate that I was not going to edit my own show. So I immediately started seeking out an editor, and found an amazing guy, he's actually here in Southern California, and he's been my editor for over two years now and he knows me more than I probably know myself, because he's in the shadows listening to my show and editing it and everything. That was the one big piece that I needed to make sure I had before I launched, was having an editor, that was important to me. I knew I could figure out everything else, and honestly, I just needed my laptop and a microphone, and some headphones. It's not anything fancy, I record in my closet sitting on the floor, like, nothing fancy. I'm not in a fancy studio and have to book in studio time, I'm usually recording at 10:30 pm at night in my pajamas on the floor. E.B. Moss: It's a good visual, thank you. And it's not too dissimilar, although we're not in our pajamas, although in the listeners mind you can put us in our pajamas, if you want. The beauty of theater of the mind. But we're sitting here in a conference room at Podcast Movement, and people are walking by, and you'll hear some noise here, and I've got a couple of, I'll give them a plug, iRig Lavalier microphones that I've plugged into my iPhone, and that's it. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: We're sitting here, alright. Taylor Bradford: Yes, chatting. E.B. Moss: So now all of a sudden, you look at you and you've, as I've said, thrown yourself into this, and your most recent advertiser was Seth Godin, and altMBA, well wow. Taylor Bradford: Yes. Thank you. It was super exciting to have that email sitting in my inbox, and like, "Hey, he wants to try out your show, and oh by the way, he wants more." So, I can't even describe that kind of an email to see sitting in your inbox. E.B. Moss: Fantastic. Taylor Bradford: Thank you. E.B. Moss: I know you have some others like SaneBox has come in, which I really need to help with my own personal emails, but that's another story. Maybe there's a friends and family discount, will you give a code? Taylor Bradford: Yes. I will be giving a code, yes. E.B. Moss: Okay. So, actually that does link us to our next topic. How do you know that you're successful as a podcaster; is direct response a good barometer for you? What kind of feedback are you getting? Taylor Bradford: So one thing I realized really quickly in the podcast space was there's not a direct loop of feedback. I don't know who's listening until they come forward and tell me, and community is so important for me. So I started, in the very beginning when I launched, a Facebook group so that I could know who my listeners were, and that group has just grown through the years, and I'm in the trenches with them, and I do Facebook Live with them every Wednesdays. It's a Q&A, whatever question they have in their blog, or their online business, or a social media platform, or if something breaks in the news, I'm chatting about that or I'm answering those questions every Wednesday night at 9 pm. E.B. Moss: Wow, that's great commitment. Also in your pajamas? Taylor Bradford: Sometimes in my pajamas, sometimes workout clothes, you know. E.B. Moss: Okay. Taylor Bradford: Glass of wine in hand. E.B. Moss: Well, it's clearly paying off, because I know that you were listed in Entrepreneurs magazine of the top women hosted podcasts, which is a huge accomplishment and that must have been exciting? Taylor Bradford: That was exciting, I had no idea that was even a thing until someone tagged me in a Facebook post and said, "Oh my gosh Taylor, total props for you for this accolade." And I'm like, "What are you talking about?" And they linked it, and I'm like, like I've got to pick my mouth up off the floor, this is such an honor, I'm so incredibly humbled, I can't even tell you. The world is so big, yet it's so small, and that was just ultimately shocking for me to have that, I can't even describe it. E.B. Moss: Well, it's interesting because everything you're talking about is the connection. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And community, and creativity. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And I happen to have come across that article because I also know Jessica through her She Podcasts Facebook page and her own podcast with that same name, which was designed to help female podcasters. So, it's sort of like The Lion King, you know, it's the circle of things. So you're really applying all of your social media lessons also to growing your podcast just as you applied it to growing your blog? Taylor Bradford: Yes, absolutely. It is so important for me to be the teacher, and also to teach as I'm growing my own business. So, last week's episode on my show, I talk about my own rebrand, and I talk about the journey on why it took me a little bit to finally make the decision to rebrand, but I want you to know that I'm just as human as you are and I have business struggles too, and we're in this together. E.B. Moss: Now, I just talked to Jay Green about the fact that, as we mentioned, DGital just rebranded to Cadence 13, did he ask you for any advice? Taylor Bradford: He didn't. He did ask me about Facebook Live though. E.B. Moss: Oh, okay, alright. After this he might come a-knockin'. So, where do you envision yourself going with this? Do you have visions of a million downloads per episode? You're at a healthy 20,000 or so, which is a great accomplishment in just a few years of this, not even. Do you want to rule the world? Taylor Bradford: I would love to rule the world, but supporting fellow Boss Girls at the same time. I don't ever want to sit on a pedestal for somebody, I want to be in the trenches with them and help them grow too, because it helps me grow as a fellow Boss Girl, and it's important for me to keep offering the teaching, because there are lot of people that aren't, and it's important to me because I Googled the heck out of everything to learn everything I know, and I want to be able to be the go-to resource for people to say, "You know what? Taylor is saying it straight, and this is step one, step two, step three, and I'm just going to keep going back to her because she's just sharing it all." E.B. Moss: So tell me a little bit about how you'll voice an ad, what do you put into it? Taylor Bradford: I prefer to have experience with the advertiser in some manner before I ever actually say, "Yes, I'm going to have this person be an ad on my show." Because I don't want my community, my listeners to ever think that I'm selling out. I want to only recommend things that I am truly, truly passionate about, because if I read an ad and I've never had any kind of interaction with that company, they're going to hear it. And I don't want them to hear it, and so I won't even offer it up as an option to be on my show if I don't have that. So I can get long winded on my ad reads because I'm so passionate about whatever it is that I'm talking about. E.B. Moss: Well, that's my middle name; long winded. So, I think that I'll cut bait here, instead of being long winded, but this was such a refreshing conversation, to really kind of show the depth and breadth of the podcasters that are here at Podcast Movement 2017. I know that your first one was just a couple of years ago, and as I mentioned, you're already a speaker and I love that you're helping all boats rise. Taylor Bradford: Yes. E.B. Moss: And helping other female creatives have a voice. Taylor Bradford: Yes, it's so important to me. E.B. Moss: Taylor, thank you so much, that was great.
As Princeton football chases an Ivy League title, the women's hockey team will celebrate one — and both occur during big home weekends. John Lovett, the FCS National Player of the Year, and Karlie Lund, the reigning ECAC Rookie of the Year, join the latest edition of TigerCast to talk about both, and plenty more. Interviews: John Lovett (FB) 6:35; Karlie Lund (WIH) 15:35.
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