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Sometimes it's hard to know who to believe, sometimes it isn't: Do you believe the person who has studied the finest details of physical health and wellness for upwards of a decade, or do you trust your pastor who thinks that God couldn't possibly reveal those secrets to anybody willing to test such principles? Unfortunately, that's the dichotomy we find in the world today. Christian Nationalists have actively led the crusade against medicine for most of the last two centuries, but there's some interesting nuances among the more moderate groups that we're happy to explore with you this week. Hospitals were a Christian invention, so why do so many distrust them? Maybe part of the problem is that most of our history has us going to our priests/shamans/knowledge holders to get healed....President Richard Nixon was the subject of a lot of satire. Relative to his predecessors, he's an outlier in many ways, not least of all was his membership in the Quaker community. This informed his decision to protect parents from legal repercussions for medical neglect. We also have some data from Pew Research Center that makes a lot of religious groups look bad, relative to vaccine hesitancy.Unleavened Bread Ministries has taken the lives of several children in the name of being "Pure Blood," including 11-year-old Madeline Kara Neumann, who simply needed a regular insulin supplement for diabetes. So many people are calling vaccines a secret poison masquerading as a cure, if only they read their Bibles (Mark 16:18).The faithful among "Jehovah's Witnesses" avoid blood transfusions, the Amish avoid heart transplants, and "Christian Scientists" typically avoid medicine in all its forms. Muslims avoid medical products derived from swine, and Hindus tend to avoid medical products derived from any animals. Interestingly enough, Seventh-Day Adventists still run hospitals, and the head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a retired heart surgeon.We dive deep into the story of Doctor PP Quimby and Mary Baker Eddy, and how mesmerism burrowed into the "Science of Health."From Tim Minchin's “Storm”: "Alternative medicine… Has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." Watch  Dr. Glen Fairen's discussion of COVID-19 vaccines and the Apocalypse on YouTube Support us at Patreon and SpreadshirtJoin the Community on DiscordLearn more great religion facts on Facebook and Instagram Episode TranscriptKatie Dooley  00:12Hi, everyone. My name is Katie. Preston Meyer  00:14Hi, Katie. I'm Preston.Katie Dooley  00:18And this is.Both Hosts  00:19The Holy Watermelon podcast,Katie Dooley  00:22I thought an intro would be like an introduction. Would be nice. Occasionally.Preston Meyer  00:27All they know is our names. We haven't described who we are and why we're here.Katie Dooley  00:32Oh, I got to go back to the trailer for that.Preston Meyer  00:35Should we introduced ourselves a little more often?Katie Dooley  00:37probably. Join our Discord. I mean, sure. It's the end of January 2023 Already, which blows my mind. Preston Meyer  00:49We've been doing this for a couple of years.Katie Dooley  00:50Couple years. I'm a resident atheist.Preston Meyer  00:54And I'm a Christian and graduate in this exact field of studies Katie Dooley  00:59and an all-around great guy.Preston Meyer  01:00Thanks. I am glad you think so. You're pretty good for an atheist too. Most atheists are better than most Christians.Katie Dooley  01:11Oh, wow. Preston Meyer  01:12Wow. Okay, that that could be an exaggeration, but probably not by a lot. Katie Dooley  01:15You know one reason atheists tend to be better than Christians is that they don't just let their children die in the name of the Lord.Preston Meyer  01:22That specific detail is true.Katie Dooley  01:28Wow I just said it. Today we're talking about religion and medicine, and how religion and religious beliefs affect your belief of science.Preston Meyer  01:39Yeah, man, what a roller coaster. There's some interesting things we've been able to uncover. And definitely lots of bad news, which we cannot cover every news story that falls into this category. Of course,Katie Dooley  01:55there were some, there were some really sad ones.Preston Meyer  01:58But yeah, generally, problems have come up.Katie Dooley  02:02Yeah. Which is so weird. Because historically, the hospital system as we know, it is a Christian invention.Preston Meyer  02:10Yeah. Hospitality. And I mean, even the word that we have for hotels now, all of that this is, comes from the need to take care of people who don't have somewhere else to be, especially the people who straight up can't take care of themselves at all.Katie Dooley  02:28Yeah, so the first hospitals were kind of an amalgamation of both hospitals as we know them, but also hostels and food banks and or soup kitchens, and yeah they just take care of everyone that couldn't. That needs some extra help. And then obviously, we started segregating those things. And a lot of healers, or medical people were priests to begin with.Preston Meyer  02:53Well, anciently, if we look at the biblical tradition, and this was pretty standard for most societies around the world, your healers, your medical practitioners, were the priesthood. Those are the people that could read who were keeping notes on things that worked and didn't work.Katie Dooley  03:12Because they could also write Preston Meyer  03:13Yeah,Katie Dooley  03:13most people couldn't. Preston Meyer  03:14Yeah. Yeah. The the craft of literacy and, and writing was all practically magic to the layperson.Katie Dooley  03:24Yeah. So then things somewhere along the way, went horribly wrong.Preston Meyer  03:30They sure did. Katie Dooley  03:32Yeah. So there's a lot of Christian groups that and I mean, Preston I'll get your hot take on this. But there are science deniers, and I know a lot of that stems from having to reconcile evolution with what's written in the Bible. So it feels like they just are like, Well, science isn't real, because how can Noah work then? Good enough. So they deny science. And then by extension, things like medicine, and most recently, with the pandemic, things like vaccines are being denied for their efficacy.Preston Meyer  04:08Imagine this just for a moment. Katie Dooley  04:10Okay?Preston Meyer  04:11Do you you live on this planet? Katie Dooley  04:14I do. I don't need to imagine that kay.   No, I don't like that.Preston Meyer  04:16So far, you're with me, right? All right. Now imagine going through life, not ever being able to predict the outcome of any action ever.  No, that's absolute nonsense. You know that when you put one foot in front of the next one, it's going to meet the ground that you can see, and that as you shift your weight, you can propel yourself forward. That's science.Katie Dooley  04:45That just reminded me of a really bad joke.Preston Meyer  04:48If you're going to pour yourself a glass of water, that's science. We have reliably proven that the exercises to accomplish these tasks work.Katie Dooley  05:00Yeah. And I mean, we can go go back to our early episodes, but there was a time when things couldn't be proven. So we use religion to prove themPreston Meyer  05:11All kinds of fancy hypotheses for all sorts of things we didn't understand. And then we studied them,Katie Dooley  05:17Then we figured it out which is awesome. But yeah, but would I be right to say that a lot of this anti science comes from trying to reconcile the Bible that if you're a fundamentalist and believe is true to the word, even though there are stories we know are not true stories, then you have to cut out science?Preston Meyer  05:32You don't have toKatie Dooley  05:35But then how did Noah work if you have science?! It doesn't!Preston Meyer  05:41Yeah, things get complicated when you try and make stories that are primarily symbolic.Katie Dooley  05:48Doesn't work.So if you do the literal truth, then we Yeah,Preston Meyer  05:54you're gonna have a hard time.  Yeah. And so it's weird that the and this is definitely throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If you're just Oh, science disproves this one thing that I believe really strongly, really effectively, then I'm gonna have to stop believing literally everything under the banner of science. Weird choice.Katie Dooley  05:55Gonna have a hard time. You think so? But again, a lot of people let their kid die over this. So  Yeah, we found a whole bunch of Christian denominations that do this. The followers of Christ in the early 2000s, this group had a child mortality rate 10 times higher than the state average of where they were located, which was the state of Idaho, because they liked faith heailings... Preston Meyer  06:25yeah.  Yeah,Katie Dooley  06:46instead of real doctors. Preston Meyer  06:48Yeah,Katie Dooley  06:49one thing that was also really terrifying that I guess benefited, benefited the followers of Christ. Also, we're going to talk about Christian scientists later also benefited Christian scientists, is that President Nixon actually made a ruling that required states to pass exemptions to child medical treatment based off of a religious exemption. So basically, parents couldn't go to jail if their child died, because they made a medical choice based off of their religion, so you can charge them with like, neglect, or murder. So that was really cool.Preston Meyer  07:24So I'm fully on board with the whole the government won't impose laws on what you believe. But the government has an awful lot of laws on how you can act in our shared society. And our actions are founded on the things that we believe about the world around us. So we need to convince people to change their beliefs.Katie Dooley  07:49Well, you know, comes back we've done a lot of episodes on this everything from our parody religions episode to atheism, and Satanism of like, that's great that you want to kill your kid but like, I can't just like make up a rule for religious religious exemption. Preston Meyer  08:05Right.Katie Dooley  08:06Right. If we can just do things because we say but I'm religious like it would, everything would become chaos.Preston Meyer  08:12You just gotta stop telling the government you're an atheist. And then you get all kinds of fancy freedom. Katie Dooley  08:17Cool. Okay, well, I believe in Russell's teapot and Russell's teapot tells me I get to be naked 24/7 in public, so I cannot go to jail for public indecency. Like, you can't just do that Preston.Preston Meyer  08:31That depends where you live.Katie Dooley  08:35I mean, I knowPreston Meyer  08:36I mean, full nude still prohibited in most places, butKatie Dooley  08:40Handful of nude beaches you can go toPreston Meyer  08:41but you can be fully topless in most parts of Canada. I mean, we also have the weather that discourages thatKatie Dooley  08:51like right now, right but you just can't have your wiener hanging out Preston.Preston Meyer  08:56Noo.Katie Dooley  08:58And you can't... You know, if everyone just said, Well, it's because I'm religious.Preston Meyer  09:03Well, though, okay. We do know that members of the clergy have definitely been caught with their wiener in places where it does not belong and get away with it because they claim religiousness. There had been way too many times where somebody who has been a pastor for a while diddled a couple of kids went, went to court and got a reduced sentence because he's a man of faith. When clearly his actions say he's notKatie Dooley  09:37anyway, we just hopped on a soapbox for a minute there. This was eventually repealed in 1983, which I guess is good, but it was around for a while where you couldn't go to jail if you killed your kid. So A+ President Nixon,Preston Meyer  09:53right. Yeah, that was that was interesting. Christian Nationalism is a little bit of a problem.Katie Dooley  10:01Yeah. I mean, you were on I was just remembering the other day you were on a podcast talking about some of this stuff progressive versus... Preston Meyer  10:08Yeah...Katie Dooley  10:08Not progressive Christianity.Preston Meyer  10:12Yeah, it was a little while ago now, actually. But it was good time.Katie Dooley  10:15I'm the villain. Preston Meyer  10:17Yeah,Katie Dooley  10:17check out Preston. Preston Meyer  10:18Man that was... it feels like so long ago.Katie Dooley  10:22Yeah, real scary stuff, especially when it came to the pandemic.Preston Meyer  10:27Yeah, I mean, Christian Nationalism has been a problem in North America for almost a century. But things got really weird over the COVID crisis, and all kinds of people shouting about their rights to avoid this poison. I want to get a little bit more into that later. But it's just crazy that 45% of white evangelical adults said they would not be vaccinated. That is a staggeringly large number. And this idea is not just in like a couple of weird little nationalist groups, either it had spread through a lot of Christianity. But the nationalists got really gross about it.Katie Dooley  11:15And like bizarre about it, one of the articles I read that Christian nationalists have said that the vaccine is the mark of the beast, as prophesized in the Revelation of John, because it prevented people from buying and selling, air quotes, "without the mark".Preston Meyer  11:33Yeah. Our recent guest, Dr. Glenn Farron has shown up in other shows, examining this exact phenomenon, it's really fascinating.Katie Dooley  11:44And terrifying. Preston Meyer  11:45Yeah, it's weird. Katie Dooley  11:47Okay, as because we introduced ourselves as our resident Christian, why do you think it's taken such a hold on Christianity,Preston Meyer  11:54we have this frustrating problem where there's been this prediction of a whole bunch of signs that will mark the coming of the Savior. And it's been many, many centuries, where it's kind of been a building tension. We've got all kinds of apocalyptical groups popping up more and more recently, but they've been around for a while. And when we see anything that can fit into that framework that's built to be a thing of interpretation, rather than a one for one obvious comparison kind of deal as something that people really latch on to. And so when you see this part in the scripture that says, without this mark, you won't get to participate in the economic part of society, then you, you fear that maybe this is a parallel to what is happening with oh, you need your COVID passport to go into a store. Instead of recognizing, oh, I have a civil responsibility to do my best to take care of the people around me. And that's why I'm being shunned. But because I don't want to help out. It's so much more fun. And self aggrandizing to see everyone else as the villain, rather than admit that you're the one causing harm. That's the problem.Katie Dooley  13:24Mormons believe in the Second Coming, yeah? Preston Meyer  13:27Yeah.Katie Dooley  13:27Okay. Is there any piece of this, that's like, people wanting it to happen? Preston Meyer  13:32Oh for sure!Katie Dooley  13:33Yeah?Preston Meyer  13:34Absolutely.Katie Dooley  13:35They just want to be on the bleeding edge. So Jesus takes them up.  Preston Meyer  13:40Yeah.Katie Dooley  13:40With themPreston Meyer  13:41Yeah.Katie Dooley  13:42They don't want to be wrong. Preston Meyer  13:43Hey?Katie Dooley  13:43They don't want to be wrong. They don't want to take the mark of the beast, and then Jesus will be like, No, sorry.Preston Meyer  13:48Yeah, you don't want to do anything wrong. Because what if this is the end? What if this is the trial, I don't want to fail.Katie Dooley  13:55Okay.Preston Meyer  13:56I need to be as faithful as I possibly can. Even if that means I've screwed up. It's okay to make mistakes, you're forgiven for mistakes, as long as they're genuine mistakes, and not me skipping out on opportunities to be better. But I mean, all it takes is a little bit of extra thinking.Katie Dooley  14:19It just anyway, goes back to love your neighbor. We've talked about this a lot this month, actually.Preston Meyer  14:25And so many people have a hard time realizing that that's the number one thing. Jesus wasn't ambiguous about this. But it's hard to love your neighbor sometimes. Especially if your neighbor is anti-Vaxxer.Katie Dooley  14:44You know, I realized during this podcast, I like Jesus a lot more now and Christianity a lot less. Preston Meyer  14:50Yeah.Katie Dooley  14:51Like if you asked me three years ago, if I like Jesus would be like, like, like, no, like, I don't know, but I actually kind of think he's a cool guy.Preston Meyer  14:58I appreciate that you have, in your head, separated the man from the fan club.Katie Dooley  15:02Yeah. And the the more I learned, the more they're getting very separate in my head.Preston Meyer  15:07They are very very different I mean, yeah, there's more than one fan club, most of the fan clubs suck.Katie Dooley  15:15So what we should do is start our own fan club! I am kidding, that doesn't solve the issue.Preston Meyer  15:19What more parties?!?Katie Dooley  15:24more denomination Okay. In the United States religious conservatism, including the evangelical and born again Christianity movement is associated with lower levels of trust in science, rates of vaccine vaccine uptake, vaccine knowledge and higher levels of vaccine hesitancy.Preston Meyer  15:44Yeah, research has found that religiosity is negatively associated with plans to receive the COVID vaccine, which is a huge bummer. And one religious worldview, especially hostile to science and vaccines is the Christian nationalism movement. It's caused a fair bit of problems, distrusting the government is fair to to a degree. So not the same thing that sees a rebellion a whole year ago, or a couple of years ago now, January 6. But, you know, funKatie Dooley  16:24Is it fun? One of these groups I found and just because they came up in the news for killing a child, and I put an asterick Preston I will let you guide me on how much we actually talked about this group was the unleavened bread ministries, and I'm big Asterix in our show notes. They say, I barely want to give this man any attention, because he's fucking crazy.Preston Meyer  16:46I mean, that's fair.Katie Dooley  16:48So I'll probably just not say the pastor's name.Preston Meyer  16:51I think that's the right way.Katie Dooley  16:52So in 2008, an 11-year-old girl, Madeline Cara Newman died of diabetes complications that were very manageable, and very treatable. She literally just needed some insulin, which is really sad, but instead her parents opted for prayer.Preston Meyer  17:11Yeah, it's not the only headline, but it happens. And I don't know why people want to deny that, medicine is a gift. If you believe that God gives us all the good things, and we've studied the universe to understand creation, which is the way a lot of religions do look at it. Knowing that, oh, now that we know more about this thing, we can help people. Why not jump on that?Katie Dooley  17:42So we're, so her parents were part of this Unleavened Bread Ministries, and so I decided to go to their website. I really hope I'm not retargeted for anything, because that was something that was not pleasant. You can tune into their radio. 24/7 they actually say tune into our radio channel, 24/7 Which implies they want you to listen to it 24/7.  Not that it's on 24/7, which was scary.Preston Meyer  18:09I mean, that's how you get your ad revenue. Right?  I think if you were to listen to us 24/7 right nowKatie Dooley  18:13I guess so. You should listen to the Holy Watermelon podcast 24/7  you just have five daysPreston Meyer  18:23Yeah, just couple of days of content, and then you're on repeat. Katie Dooley  18:28That's fine.Preston Meyer  18:28I mean, Katie Dooley  18:29I'm okay with it.Preston Meyer  18:30You know, maybe some people would be better for it.Katie Dooley  18:32So basically, this pastor tells to pray away COVID and others other diseases, but he also recommended Ivermectin and hydro hydro ox so Chloroquine hydro- Preston Meyer  18:47hydroxychloroquine?Katie Dooley  18:48that one that makes you go blind or whatever, as well which was insanity. To me, it's like you should pray but if you don't feel like praying, take something that will kill you. Preston Meyer  18:58The vaccine is poison, butKatie Dooley  19:01Ivermectin is totally fine...Preston Meyer  19:04So-Katie Dooley  19:05So I have in my notes I wrote "not sure if grifter or cult leader"Preston Meyer  19:10it's, it's problematic. What's interesting to me, is there is a reasonably common belief among these Christian extremists, let's call them what they are, that the vaccine is poison. And I've heard several times that all these people who took the vaccine they're gonna be dead in five years or less.Katie Dooley  19:35Did you see this quote? "Fully vaccinated people-" this is from the pastor again, his name I won't say fully, "vaccinated people are now suffering from what looks like the Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome, better known as AIDS. Their immune system is fading as many have warned." so both Preston and I apparently have AIDS.Preston Meyer  19:54Apparently.Katie Dooley  19:57Most of our friends also apparently have AIDS.Preston Meyer  20:01Yeah. So what I was getting to this idea that this vaccine is poison. And remember, the vast majority of us are taking the vaccine to either protect ourselves, or to protect the people around us because we care about them. So they're here. Here's a passage from Mark chapter 16. Gospel of Mark, it's Jesus speaking, it's after he's been resurrected, he's teaching the remaining apostles because Judas is gone. He's not with them. And he says, Those who believe in Me will be able to drink poison without being hurt. I mean, there's a bit about snakes in there, there's, there's all kinds of little bits I skipped. But I added the beginning and the end together to give you the good bit, that if you believe, and if you do actually believe you want to help your neighbors and protect them, then it sounds like the Lord says, You got nothing to fear from this vaccine. Katie Dooley  21:00Yeah, well. Preston Meyer  21:03But to be fair, that is a personal interpretation of Scripture, that is at least as valid as the opposing argument.Katie Dooley  21:18So one of the arguments I wrote in, in these, nothing short of crazy articles was that, and this kind of goes back to the Nixon thing is that some of these groups have argued like, well, if a doctor, someone dies under a doctor's watch, the doctor doesn't get charged. So just because we weren't successful in our prayer circle, doesn't mean we should be charged.  Oh Preston... Preston's face is gold right now.Preston Meyer  21:47So while it's very tricky to charge a doctor- Katie Dooley  21:54Unless it's malpractice.Preston Meyer  21:55Right, and it's very tricky to sue a doctor, they have training to do the things that are they're expected to do. And the rest of us are told with, I would say, a close to equivalent value of repetition of take your people to a doctor. So when we fail step one of the process to not even give the doctor a chance to screw up or do the great thing that we need. Wit and it's usually a success, that is neglect. And I would say in an awful lot of situations a criminal neglect.Katie Dooley  22:38I just had a weird thought- Preston Meyer  22:39Yeah?Katie Dooley  22:40that's not in our notes. America in particular, and I mean, Canada, to some extent, as well, prides itself on being a Christian nation. Preston Meyer  22:50YupKatie Dooley  22:51Christianity started the first hospitals to help people. Yeah, that couldn't help themselves. And America doesn't have free health care.Preston Meyer  23:00NopeKatie Dooley  23:01Those things don't all go together, do they? Preston Meyer  23:03No, they don't.Katie Dooley  23:04Okay.Preston Meyer  23:06It sounds like you understand perfectly.Katie Dooley  23:09I do, I do. I understand the pieces, but the why? I am perplexed by because Jesus would have wanted public health care.Preston Meyer  23:20So we've already talked about the prosperity gospel-Katie Dooley  23:22we have,Preston Meyer  23:23and nothing on this planet is more American than publi-Katie Dooley  23:28Grifting!Preston Meyer  23:29Than grifting! Yeah! Maybe the the next best thing would be mass extermination, which I mean, is connected to this in some sort of way.Katie Dooley  23:45All right. Well, I feel like we're being very critical today. ButPreston Meyer  23:50sometimes you got to be and that it comes with the territory and today's subject. Katie Dooley  23:56Totally. Then there are groups that have very specific rules around medicine. Not necessarily, these sort of broad-Preston Meyer  23:57Yeah,Katie Dooley  23:59don't believe in science.Preston Meyer  24:05A lot of groups generally like the idea of science. Oh, yeah, I guess this thing has been proven. Let's go with it. With exceptions.Katie Dooley  24:14So there's the Jehovah Witnesses are almost famous for it, they do not accept blood transfusions. So overall, they're pretty cool with medicine and science, unless you need a blood transfusion.Preston Meyer  24:28Yeah, Prince was a pretty well-known star, and almost as well known that he was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. And he had some wicked hip pain for a long time. And it is speculated hard to confirm things now that he's gone, that it took him a while to get the hip surgery he needed, because hip surgery almost always comes with a major blood transfusion. Cuz, you know, open up pretty high traffic area in the body. Katie Dooley  25:04Yeah.Preston Meyer  25:05And so it's a big problem. So it's generally discouraged that because of the blood transfusion hip surgery is a tricky thing to try to navigate as a Jehovah's Witness.Katie Dooley  25:15Yeah, I, this is ages ago, and I didn't find them for this. And we'll do a full episode on Jehovah Witnesses one day, but the number of parents that when their kid needs a blood transfusion, start to question their faith prettyPreston Meyer  25:32it's a healthy perspective.Katie Dooley  25:34Totally! But it's interesting, like, I didn't pull up blood transfusion statistics, but especially probably before 50 Most people do not need a blood transfusion unless you're, you know, touch wood in a car accident or something. But I'm learning a blood transfusion and presume you never need a blood transfusion. So it's pretty easy to be like, oh, yeah, fine. I cannot accept someone else's blood until you need to accept someone else's blood. Preston Meyer  25:59Right? Well, and I think it's really interesting that I've, I've heard stories of people who say that after a blood transfusion, my brother-sister-loved one is just a totally different person. And so obviously, it's because the spirits in the blood, and that's now, now they are a different person. The weird thing about that is they totally ignore the possibility that a incident that requires a blood transfusion is a life changing experience! He's probably traumatized. It's things like cancer and major accidents, while recognizing your own mortality. Sometimes it's all it takes to really change how you want to deal with the world around you. It's a weird thing to hear people say, but I mean, the facts are the facts. They behave differently. Sure, fine. Or maybe you're reading more into it than is real, and they haven't changed as much as you think. But you expect them to be different because there's this idea of a different soul in the body. Katie Dooley  27:02Sounds like...Preston Meyer  27:03it's a spectrum. I can't say that it's all one thing or all the other, but I bet you it's a mix of the twoKatie Dooley  27:09Totally. So there's three Bible passages that Jehovah's Witnesses cite for not accepting blood transfusions, so I'm gonna read them so we can get Preston's hot take on themPreston Meyer  27:19PerfectKatie Dooley  27:19first- and who knows how-Preston Meyer  27:20I like it. Katie Dooley  27:21So Genesis nine "for you shall not eat flesh with its life. That is, its blood."Preston Meyer  27:28All right. So part of the context that we have here is, this is a document of how the Lord's people should be different than their neighbours. What makes them different. A lot of the people around them their neighbours, would ritually consume blood.Katie Dooley  27:48That's blood in the mouth?Preston Meyer  27:50Yes, eating blood.Katie Dooley  27:52I think we need that to be clear.Preston Meyer  27:54I have eaten blood, or a blood adjacent substance, on a, on a few occasions. It is delicious.Katie Dooley  28:06As someone who enjoys a good black pudding, yes. I prefer white pudding though, which doesn't have the blood. But I won't say no to the black pudding. Preston Meyer  28:14Right. So you can take my interpretation of this however you want, I suppose. I don't think that there is a spiritual reason. I think this is more of a this separates the people of Israel from their neighbours. Just another way to mark that we are different from them kind of deal. Katie Dooley  28:35All right.Preston Meyer  28:36And I mean building an us versus them philosophy isn't the healthiest choice. But here we are.Katie Dooley  28:43In Genesis, what makes a Jewish person a Jewish person, right?Preston Meyer  28:46I mean, that's really what Genesis and the tour of the Tanakh are all about.Katie Dooley  28:51Alright, so the next one is Leviticus 17:10. "If anyone of the house of Israel or of the aliens who reside among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut that person off from the people." Preston Meyer  29:07So-Katie Dooley  29:08that God speaking? Preston Meyer  29:09Yeah.Katie Dooley  29:09Wow.Preston Meyer  29:10So the short version of this is, if this person insists on eating blood, they will be excommunicated. Or exiled, depending on whether or not the church has a monopoly on national politics. Excommunicated if they're out in an area that's diverse like ours, exiled from the nation if you have a monopoly.Katie Dooley  29:37And again, this is blood in the mouth?Preston Meyer  29:39Yes. Do not eat bloodKatie Dooley  29:41Okay, because this is where I-Preston Meyer  29:43and it doesn't actually mean human blood. Cannibalism is an entirely separate law. This is don't eat the blood of the cattle and the livestock and the pigeons and everything else that you bring in for sacrifices,Katie Dooley  29:57Right, which is part of the kosher process. Preston Meyer  29:59Yeah.Katie Dooley  30:00That seems super fun. Acts 15:28 to 29. "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials. That you have seen from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication. If you keep yourself from these, you will do well. Farewell."Preston Meyer  30:22I mean, I like having such a short list very convenient. Don't eat things that are sacrificed to false gods. Easy. Generally speaking, though, there are other parts where Paul does specifically say you know what? It's okay to eat something sacrificed to idols, if that's all there is to eat. Just remember, the gods aren't real. But be grateful that you have something to eat. So, even in these essentials- Katie Dooley  30:55There's still an asterisk!Preston Meyer  30:56There's an asterisk yeah. But again, don't eat blood is still on the list.Katie Dooley  31:03So again, blood in the mouth. Preston Meyer  31:05Yes. Do not eat from these animals that you need. And then of course, there's don't eat anything that's been strangled. WhichKatie Dooley  31:19the meat would be tough.Preston Meyer  31:22It's better to quick kill rather than choke. Because then it's got fight in it.Katie Dooley  31:27Yeah. All the muscles not-Preston Meyer  31:29Yeah.Katie Dooley  31:30I'm gonna be plugged meat. And then don't have sex.Preston Meyer  31:35Which Yeah, totally unrelated to the previous three things. While fornication isn't just sex, fornication is extramarital sex.Katie Dooley  31:45Oh, specific.Preston Meyer  31:46Yeah, fornication is dirty sex. I it's, it's specifically that sex which is unapproved by society.Katie Dooley  31:55Well, wait till next episode.Preston Meyer  32:00Yeah, we'll get a little more details there for you. But yeah, so in Old and New Testament for the Christians who are super concerned about it. That's the deal, is that you should not EAT ANIMAL BLOOD.Katie Dooley  32:15So they don't let you take any blood. Even if it's not in your mouth.Preston Meyer  32:21Yeah, life-saving apparently not that big a deal. If it's your time to go. It's your time to go kind of philosophy. Which sucks if you could have survived with the tools available to you.Katie Dooley  32:32Now there are bloodless surgeries and blood alternatives.Preston Meyer  32:40Which sounds really weird. Katie Dooley  32:42I mean, I'm kind of that person. Like, if you can have the real thing. Why wouldn't you have the real thing? Like if you're not allergic to milk? Or lactose intolerant. Why would you squeeze the shit out of an almond?Preston Meyer  32:54Right?!?Katie Dooley  32:56Like, you know, and I mean, I get lactose intolerance is a thing. Don't get me wrong.Preston Meyer  33:02I'm lactose intolerant. I have- Katie Dooley  33:04I didn't know that!Preston Meyer  33:05way more dairy in my diet than I should.Katie Dooley  33:10The fact that I didn't know that you're lactose intolerant until this moment tells you that you do.Preston Meyer  33:15I'm lactose-sensitive, not lactose intolerant. I correct that there are times when I am way more sensitive than at other times. The night before I got married. Katie Dooley  33:28Ohno, ohno!Preston Meyer  33:29We stopped at one of the great drive-throughs and got the classic, real good, absolutely delicious milkshake. And I was ruined by the time...Katie Dooley  33:41Ohhh you, noooo!Preston Meyer  33:45So everyone else is setting up the chapel for decorations and the tables and everything. And I was just camped out somewhere else. But this week, I've gone through a whole litre of eggnog and plenty of milk and no issues. Katie Dooley  34:04All right, well. So yeah, I mean, I guess like I said before, it's great to say you don't accept a blood transfusion until you're one of the 4.5 million people a year in North America that needs one.Preston Meyer  34:16I'm curious because I haven't been able to find anything. And maybe I just need to talk to somebody who's got specific religious authority to make such a declaration, how they might feel higher up among the witnesses about synthetic blood. I don't know how they'll feel about that.Katie Dooley  34:38Members that willingly and knowingly accept blood transfusions are often disfellowshipped. And generally, like I said, they when witnesses are encouraged for medical help other than this weird blood thing, which I feel like they haven't run by God ever but what do I know?Preston Meyer  34:54Right. And a similar limitation for some reason the Amish and some other Mennonites but not all Mennonites believe that the spirit specifically lives in the heart. And you know, if you're watching a movie and you get to a real emotional part and you feel a twinge in your heart, I can see why they might come to that conclusion. Katie Dooley  35:18When you see your husband who I haven't seen in three weeks!Preston Meyer  35:22Right?! When you feel that in your chest, it does make sense that you can believe your spirit resides in or near your heart fine. Feels a little bit weird, but I get it. So specifically, the Amish, while they have a tricky relationship with modern medicine, they do specifically avoid anything that would be even close to a heart transplant, because that's the soul. And yet, there's sometimes exceptions to that...Katie Dooley  35:55Asterisk! It's a spectrum!Preston Meyer  35:59Yeah. There have been children who have been born with heart defects that are so severe that before baptism, because as an Anabaptist, you are baptized later in life instead of as a child. Like in the Catholic tradition. They are okay with a heart transplant in a young child... sometimes.Katie Dooley  36:23Asterisk. I was born with a hole in my heart, maybe that's why I'm an atheist.Preston Meyer  36:28Is it a Jesus-shaped hole in your heart?Katie Dooley  36:29I don't... I don't know. I, that was 32 years ago.Preston Meyer  36:35Is the hole still there?Katie Dooley  36:36No it healed up.Preston Meyer  36:37It just healed up? Katie Dooley  36:38Yep. Sometimes they heal up on their own. Sometimes they need surgery to make the switch.Preston Meyer  36:41Well see that's the weird thing about making people from a clump of cells is that when you're born, you still got a lot of growing to do.Katie Dooley  36:51So apparently, I looked into this like a million years ago, apparently, like when you're born and finally get oxygen. It is supposed to just like happen. The chambers in your heart close up to what they're supposed to be and mine didn't.Preston Meyer  37:03huh!Katie Dooley  37:04Yeah!Preston Meyer  37:05So that's the thing I don't know much about. But that is cool.Katie Dooley  37:08Yeah. Science!Preston Meyer  37:10Check out our bonus episode on abortion!  right. It's, it's weird how many churches insist that the Bible says that a baby is a murderable person, before they're born, when the Bible was pretty clear on the detail of, "And he breathed and became a living soul." Now, you're allowed to take that symbolically. But when you do that, you no longer have the Bible backing you up when you say that a baby is alive from conception, or from six months in or whatever. Whatever your arbitrary time is. The Bible doesn't have your back, for any point before birth! Yeah, we get into a lot more detail there!Katie Dooley  37:51The next one we're going to talk about are Christian scientists or the Church of Christ, comma scientists is their official name. Preston Meyer  38:08This, this group-Katie Dooley  38:10and guess what Preston they hate science.Preston Meyer  38:14So this, I've run into a couple of these people over the years that we've got a Christian Science Center downtown. And I've been trying to figure out for a while, how they can get away with feeling comfortable using the word science, and that they call themselves scientists, and absolutely deny the scientific method! The scientific collection of knowledge that we've amassed. I don't get it. Katie Dooley  38:51We will eventually. Again, just like Jehovah's Witnesses we will do a full episode on Christian scientists at some point, but we're just gonna dive into the medical stuff for today's episode.  The Church of Christ scientists was founded by Mary Baker Eddy in the 19th century. And it can actually be traced back. For more if you remember our last episode to Phineas Quimby, the mesmerist!!Preston Meyer  39:00Yeah.  Yeah, so she was a patient of his! Katie Dooley  39:18Oh, cool!Preston Meyer  39:19Yeah! So that's where this connection comes in. So I did a little bit of more research on this Quimby fella and oh what a trip! So oh...Katie Dooley  39:31so Phineas Quimby... I'll let you read your your research but finance can be started that new thought movement which turned also into the prosperity gospel that name it and claim itPreston Meyer  39:41Yeah, Dr. PP Quimby which I didn't make up to make this humorous. This is how he styled himselfKatie Dooley  39:52This is amazing! And I love that we both are so mature that we can just laugh at Dr. PP!Preston Meyer  39:58I'm not sure he was a real Dr.Katie Dooley  40:01WHAT?!?Preston Meyer  40:02I mean, as you learn more about this fella, you'll see why that could have been a problem.   But Dr. Phineas PP. Quimby was a clockmaker. You don't need a doctorate to be a clockmaker-Katie Dooley  40:09Yes.  No you don't to be a clockmakerPreston Meyer  40:21I mean, you do need tools. Yeah, for sure. And he was convinced that he had found the key to the science of health. This is where the Christian scientists adopted the word and never validated it ever again. The science of health, which of course, is, it's all in your head!Katie Dooley  40:47Yet it's it's not. Your feelings and physical ailments are all-Preston Meyer  40:53Yeah, this gaping wound in my leg that's making a huge mess of the kitchen is all in my head.Katie Dooley  41:03No, it's all on the kitchen floor!Preston Meyer  41:07Anyway, Quimby's theory was that there is no intelligence, no power or action in matter of itself. That the spiritual world to which our eyes are closed by ignorance or unbelief, is the real world that in it lie all the causes for every effect visible in the natural world. And then if the spiritual life can be revealed to us, in other words, if we can understand ourselves, we shall then have our happiness or misery in our own hands. That sounds really nice.Katie Dooley  41:42Oh, and I believe some of it-Preston Meyer  41:44Sure!Katie Dooley  41:45we talked, again, we talked about this for prosperity. If you're a positive person, your life will feel more positive. Preston Meyer  41:50Yeah.Katie Dooley  41:51But this does not account for gaping leg wounds!Preston Meyer  41:55No, or viral infections, bacterial problems! There's a lot of things that you can't control with positive thinking. And this is a proven fact.Katie Dooley  42:06Yes.Preston Meyer  42:07So, interestingly enough, he was a very busy man. Quimby was treating several patients every day, almost every single day for years, which would be normal if he was a doctor. But he wasn't really a doctor. He would sit next to his patients and explain that their ailment was just in their minds, and that they could control it just by thinking really hard about it. Just convince yourself that everything's fine and it will be! If it was easy to convince yourself of something that wasn't so easy to believe. And then it got weird. Sometimes he would rub their heads with his wet hands. Katie Dooley  42:50Ew! Why were they wet???Preston Meyer  42:52Oh, he would dip his hands in water too, and just rub their heads. He later explained that it was the words that did the help. Not the contact with the wet hands. So presumably he was just rubbing their heads with wet hands for his own enjoyment?Katie Dooley  43:10That is a very specific fetish, but we don't kink shame at the Holy Watermelon Podcast.Preston Meyer  43:15True story.Katie Dooley  43:16But we do fake Dr. shame! So carry on!Preston Meyer  43:20cause people are weird!Katie Dooley  43:25There's various fetishes and rubbing.Preston Meyer  43:28I'm okay with if that's your fetish. That's fine. Our-Katie Dooley  43:32Is there consent?Preston Meyer  43:34That's my question! Are these people participating with informed consent? In what is probably a sexual fetish.Katie Dooley  43:44Probably not because it's the 1800's.Preston Meyer  43:47Yeah...consent was a tough discussion back then-Katie Dooley  43:49Actually still a tough discussion, but that's a different episode! Preston Meyer  43:52But at least it's becoming more mainstream. Now.Katie Dooley  43:54Did you know 55% of Canadian men don't actually know what constitutes as consent?Preston Meyer  44:00That's an alarming statisticKatie Dooley  44:02Yeah. A study came out recently.Preston Meyer  44:07Members of Congress are outing themselves all over the place right now saying, Oh, if we have the liberal wrought laws of consent, I would be a sex criminal!Katie Dooley  44:17That means you're a sex criminal!Preston Meyer  44:19Why would why would you say that?Katie Dooley  44:22That means you're a sex criminal. Carry on.Preston Meyer  44:27Anyway, Quimby met Mary Baker Eddy in 1862 when she became his patient. And she was already into the the weird spiritual thing. Yeah, which is fine. It's what she started doing with it after she met Quimby that makes it easy to label her as full crazy.Katie Dooley  44:49So Eddy basically thought the world was the matrix and the only real world was the spiritual world. And we've created this physical world in our minds.Preston Meyer  44:59Neil deGrasse Tyson talks a little bit about how the world is, and the universe is probably just a simulation. So is that really all that different? They both sound crazy.Katie Dooley  45:11They both do sound crazy. I mean, we're getting into philosophy, and it already hurts my head is trying to formulate this sentence, but like,Preston Meyer  45:21The trick is, it's really easy to believe that the world isn't. The world is as concrete as it looks and feels. But I mean, the things that we found out by just scoping down on to the molecular level is even solid rocks are mostly empty space. Katie Dooley  45:39Yeah.Preston Meyer  45:41So it gets pretty easy to say, wow, yeah, there's there's a lot of magic going on here. What is what? Who knows? But it feels like, we're getting some pretty interesting fictions.Katie Dooley  45:56Yes. So Eddie also wrote a book called Science and Health, which in addition to the Bible is considered a holy book in the Church of Christ scientists.Preston Meyer  46:06Yeah, it's pretty normal to have the founding person's literature as part of your Canon.Katie Dooley  46:12It seems like there isn't a lot of Christ in Church of Christ scientists. Preston Meyer  46:16Well, they still have the Bible.Katie Dooley  46:17Yeah.Preston Meyer  46:17It's just secondary to you have the divine power yourself to heal all your problems.Katie Dooley  46:25This goes back to my earlier point, is that I am starting to like JC-Preston Meyer  46:29not the fanclub. Katie Dooley  46:30Not the fanclub, all right.Preston Meyer  46:33That's fair. Katie Dooley  46:33OkayPreston Meyer  46:35Yeah, it's interesting that members of the Church of Christ scientists aren't strictly prohibited from seeking medical attention, but they do avoid it an awful lot. Instead, they just pray. And it's not like your regular prayer. That's like, it's never do the Lord's Prayer, and everything's gonna be fine. It's kind of a, you need to go find a place where you can argue with yourself for a while, just like Mary did with the Nez MarusKatie Dooley  47:04Yeah, not even. Yeah. You like, it's weird. I read some instructions on how to pray. And basically, you just like, fight yourself to not feel sick anymore. Preston Meyer  47:14Yeah!Katie Dooley  47:14So I am like to Jesus or God, it's like "Don't be sick Katie!"Preston Meyer  47:19Right?!Katie Dooley  47:20Don't be sick!Preston Meyer  47:21which sounds like not just counterproductive, because you're not getting the help you need. But you're tiring yourself out more. So if you were fighting an infection, you're probably worse off than if you hadn't had this internal conflicKatie Dooley  47:37I just watch Fraggle Rock when I'm sick. Preston Meyer  47:39Yeah. Does it help?Katie Dooley  47:40Yeah.Preston Meyer  47:40That's good. Filling your life with positivity is helpful. And there's there's a lot to be said about the placebo effect. That doesn't mean don't seek actual help when there's something wrong that needs help.Katie Dooley  47:57Absolutely. There are reports though, even though they aren't specifically prohibited from seeking medical treatment, that members that do opt for medical treatment are often ostracized.Preston Meyer  48:09Yeah, but you can hire somebody from the church to come and help you out. You can get a healer, which is like a doctor, but they're making money off of lying to you.Katie Dooley  48:22It's actually a Christian Science practitioner, and they're very good at praying!Preston Meyer  48:27Are they?Katie Dooley  48:29That's what they're trained to do!Preston Meyer  48:32So I'll just 11 years well, 12 years ago, now, I guess. There was a practitioner named Frank Prince Wonderlic. If I'm not writing that pronunciation, I'm at least close. Put his his name in the show notes. He said... "all healing is a metaphysical process. That means that there is no person to be healed. No material body, no patient, no matter, no illness, no one to heal, no substance, no person, no thing and no place that needs to be influenced. This is what the practitioner must first be clear about."Katie Dooley  49:08It sounds very Scientology.Preston Meyer  49:11A little bit yeah! So, I mean, the problem that I have, right off the beginning is, there is nobody that needs to be healed or influenced. When your job is to heal people. Maybe that's not the thing you should be saying.Katie Dooley  49:28What are you charging for?Preston Meyer  49:31Right? I mean, basically, he's standing here saying, either you don't exist, or you do but nothing else does. So you got nothing to worry about. Which I mean, it may be an extreme interpretation of those words, but that feels really weird when you say there's nothing that needs to be influenced. You're either saying there is no disease at all, or it's not a problem and there is a disease and it is a problem. It's frustrating. And at least 50 Christian scientists have been charged with murder after the children died of very preventable illnesses. Now, of course, it's not first-degree murder that requires premeditation. And the situation is a little premeditated, but not to the degree where it actually counts as premeditated murder.Katie Dooley  50:29Then it would be manslaughter in Canada.Preston Meyer  50:30Exactly.Katie Dooley  50:31Where I think it's third-degree murder in the States is our manslaughter. Preston Meyer  50:35Yeah.Katie Dooley  50:37LDS!Preston Meyer  50:39Yeah, the LDS tradition is a much healthier place relative to this issue. I'll admit it's a mixed bag, there are a lot of converts to the church who come from a wide variety of backgrounds. A lot of people have believed that you really should just pray and not see a doctor when something is wrong. That if you're having mental health problems, or physical health problems, pray about it, eat your vitamins, get your essential oils, and maybe talk to the bishop for counselling. Most of those are not very good choices, including the last one, your bishop is very seldom a properly trained therapist. But there are cases where he is, and he deserves to be paid for that.Katie Dooley  51:31But talk about these elder blessings, because I've heard about it in passing, just being your friend.Preston Meyer  51:36Yeah? So while there are encouragement to seek medical attention, there is also encouragement to get a blessing from an elder of the church comes with an anointing of virgin olive oil, and all that fun stuff. And typically, we laid- lay hands on somebody's head and give a blessing of whatever is needed. Very often, there's a promise that you'll be healed. But this does not take the place of seeking medical attention. It is very explicitly stated over the pulpit regularly from the very top that it should not take the place of seeking medical attention.Katie Dooley  52:17Well, that's good.Preston Meyer  52:18Yeah. Even though some people have a hard time with that. Spectrum! No, church is monolithic. I've given lots of blessings, and that's not because I believe that it's going to fix everything and that you need to go, just pray afterwards. No, sometimes you should get medical attention, depending on what the situation is. Yeah, I don't know. The president of the Church throughout the COVID crisis was a world-renowned heart surgeon, we've got a serious commitment to actually making sure people are healthy, that we can stick around for a long time. The Latter-Day Saints are in some communities longer lived than average. SoKatie Dooley  53:01Because you don't drink do drugs or anything!Preston Meyer  53:03I mean, that's probably a bigger contri-contributor, though, we have our own vices. There's a there's an awful lot of Latter Day Saints who eat a lot more sugar than they ought to.Katie Dooley  53:15That's gonna say from the ones I know. Yes. You all feel personally attacked now, I'm so sorry!Preston Meyer  53:25But to be fair, the entirety of North American culture with a handful of specific localized exceptions, we eat way more sugar than we really should. So are Mormons to stand out there? Not so much.Katie Dooley  53:40Well Okay! Seventh Day Adventists. Again, another Christian denomination, they are typically vegetarians.Preston Meyer  53:49Pretty often.Katie Dooley  53:50And so they're comfortable with seeking medicine and modern medical and health practices, but they have know, have been known to prefer holistic medicine, kind of in line with that vegetarian thing. So they've been known to follow holistic medicine, which is a phrase that has been used by people who oppose medical treatment, but good doctors also talk about the necessity of keeping the whole body healthy, which is holistic. SoPreston Meyer  54:18yeah. Dr. Mike even talks about it sometimes.Katie Dooley  54:22Is that the YouTube one? Preston Meyer  54:23yeah,Katie Dooley  54:24That's kind of cute? Both Hosts  54:25Yeah.Preston Meyer  54:26He's a handsome man.Katie Dooley  54:27He's very handsome. An Adventist family hit the news in 2014 for failing to get their son proper medical care after being diagnosed with rickets. Preston Meyer  54:36You don't hear about rickets very often!Katie Dooley  54:38That's what Tiny Tim had or they speculated it, it's not actually written the book.Preston Meyer  54:42I mean, it's it's a work of fiction, soKatie Dooley  54:45and then in it's always sunny.Preston Meyer  54:48Rickety Cricket!Katie Dooley  54:49Rickety Cricket!Preston Meyer  54:52Yeah, you know, but, I mean, we put vitamin D in so many things now. Katie Dooley  54:56YesPreston Meyer  54:57Like we encourage children to have cereal with a bowl of milk and all of our milk that you get at the grocery store today has vitamin D in it.Katie Dooley  55:05Yeah. So rickets is preventable with vitamin D. Preston Meyer  55:07Yeah.Katie Dooley  55:08So, yeah, it's pretty easy to get. So that's really bad.Preston Meyer  55:13Pretty easy to not get rickets.Katie Dooley  55:15Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy to get vitamin D Yeah, it really is not easy to get, rickets. So it must be known that they got sucked into the anti medi-medic trap despite warnings from their church.Preston Meyer  55:30Yeah, this is not a normal thing within this religious community. There there is even a network of Seventh Day Adventists hospitals where they actually perform real medicine. So it's, it's weird to see this kind of news hit where a family within this religious community just doesn't want to get involved in medicine.Katie Dooley  55:31Yep. Now we've been pretty hard on Christians. This episode, specific Christian denominations. Preston Meyer  56:03Yeah.Katie Dooley  56:04Spectrum, we know it's not all Christians. ButPreston Meyer  56:06one, it's not even all people within the dominant denominations we've talked about.Katie Dooley  56:10Right, like I said...Preston Meyer  56:12Nothing is monolithic.Katie Dooley  56:13Yes, so on your deathbed, if you need a blood transfusion, you might change your mind real fast! And people have. Preston Meyer  56:19Yeah!Katie Dooley  56:19But we also see it in other religions.Preston Meyer  56:22Yeah, the Hindu tradition is kind of interesting, where generally speaking, medicine is favorably talked about. In fact, when we talked about Hinduism, in our introductory episode, there is a whole part of their religious philosophy that deals with different kinds of medicine. How that translates to the modern things can get a little bit fuzzy. But generally speaking, it's pretty positive, because the Vedas were written 1000s of years ago. But it's kind of cool. But there is, of course, a lot of prejudice against doctors from overseas coming to North America. Do they live up to the same medical standards? Investigation always has to go into it, and they usually end up becoming taxi drivers or literally anything else that's easy to get into. Because getting into the doctor's office again, it's really complicated. Katie Dooley  57:12Yeah, there needs to be some better international cooperation there. BecausePreston Meyer  57:17well, and we do have some doctors who make it and become doctors hereKatie Dooley  57:20Oh absolutely! Preston Meyer  57:20-relatively quickly. But it's yeah, it's not 100% thing. It's really frustrating. And the interesting thing that I think is worth bringing up here is that while they're cool with medicine, they actually do have an issue as... If they're really into their Hindu faith. Of they have an issue with using animal products in their medicine! Any animal juices! Katie Dooley  57:27Gelatin often quite-Preston Meyer  57:47Yeah, we use a lot of different animals stuff in our medicine, which sounds really weird until you actually know a lot about it. And it's like, oh, yeah, that sounds like a natural choice. I'm not an expert. I just trust the people who are.Katie Dooley  57:59Fair.Preston Meyer  58:00Sihks follow the same Hindu principles. This comes with the whole vegan vegetarian thing that care for the animals. It's not about keeping the body, non animal keeping it pure. It's about respect for the animals. So of course, our First Nations people here in North America are more positive about using the whole animal respecting the animal, but take what you need, and be responsible and respectful with what's left make find a use for it, if you can. So really different way of looking at the world there. Yeah, Islam is interesting that they have similar restrictions to Sikhs and Hindus, but not the same. That you absolutely cannot use any material that comes from swine. swine is haram. But animal products from cows, for example, is fine.Katie Dooley  58:53Medical Products from cows. Yes, you said animal products from cows. Which that's true, that is not untrue! Preston Meyer  58:59It's not what i meant-Katie Dooley  59:00Its not specific enoughPreston Meyer  59:01medical products in cows. So I thought that was really interesting. Because you would be haram if you were part pig, I guess. I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm haram anyway. According to their laws.Katie Dooley  59:14I mean, yeah, I own a dog soPreston Meyer  59:17Oh yeah, there you go. Katie Dooley  59:17AlreadyPreston Meyer  59:18Troubles.Katie Dooley  59:19Yeah.Preston Meyer  59:21Of course, there are exceptions life or death emergencies are validation enough to ignore these prohibitions. Of course, there are a lot more available here in the West, where there's not preexisting prohibitions. Some people like their books more than they like their children. SoKatie Dooley  59:38I was gonna make sassy comment, but I will refrain for once. I like books better than children. I said it, I said it.Preston Meyer  59:47That's fair, but they're not your children.Katie Dooley  59:49That's true and I have no interest.Preston Meyer  59:51Do you like your books more than Paige?Katie Dooley  59:53No, I would save Paige in a fire but not my books. Preston Meyer  59:55See? That's how it goes.Katie Dooley  59:57FairPreston Meyer  59:58And that feels like the right choice. Katie Dooley  59:59Thank you! Preston Meyer  1:00:00And Paige isn't even human.Katie Dooley  1:00:03But she is real!Preston Meyer  1:00:04Yes. She is real!Katie Dooley  1:00:06She's a little dog. Yeah, I'll post the picture in Discord just 'cause I like her.Preston Meyer  1:00:11Yup. And a few years ago, I heard this great poem from Tim Minchin who we actually mentioned ever so briefly in a, in our most recent interview episode. Storm is the name of the poem by Tim Minchin, and this, this little snippet is just perfect. "Alternative Medicine has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine!" And that's the deal. It's, I can't think of any better way to explain it. I couldn't get a doctor to say it in a more beautiful wayKatie Dooley  1:00:49Judas would say something like that... Yeah, so we were pretty hard on people today. But that's okay.Preston Meyer  1:00:59That's okay. I don't think we've alienated anybody. Katie Dooley  1:01:02No I think it's, I mean, that's why we exist, is to have conversations about religion, and maybe push some boundaries on beliefs, because no group will get better if we don't.Preston Meyer  1:01:16Right. Whether you're Christian, Buddhist, or just really into snails, or atheist. Generally, the best way to run through this life is by caring about each other as people and wanting the best for each other. And that means saving lives when we can in the effective ways through proven methods.Katie Dooley  1:01:42You know, what, everyone? In addition to following us on Discord and our Instagram and Facebook this week, I encourage you all to go and donate some blood!Preston Meyer  1:01:53I think that's the best civic thing that we can all handle. Unless, of course,Katie Dooley  1:02:01unless you can't. Preston Meyer  1:02:01Yeah.Katie Dooley  1:02:04You can also support us on our Patreon, where we have early release and bonus episodes and our book club. Thank you to patron Lisa for supporting our podcast. And if the subscription model is not your thing, you can also check out our spread shop where we have some amazing Holy Watermelon merch to make you look fancy in this new year.Preston Meyer  1:02:26Thanks for joining us! Both Hosts  1:02:27Peace be with you!

Link to bioRxiv paper: http://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2023.01.11.523595v1?rss=1 Authors: Carrera-Bravo, C., Zhou, T., Hang, J. W., Modh, H., Huang, F., Malleret, B., Wacker, M. G., Wang, J.-W., Renia, L., Tan, K. S. Abstract: Malaria is a vector-borne parasitic disease that affects millions worldwide. In order to reach the objective, set by the World Health Organization to decrease the cases by 2030, antimalarial drugs with novel modes of action are required. Previously, a novel mechanism of action of chloroquine (CQ) was reported involving features of programmed cell death in the parasite, mainly characterized by calcium efflux from the digestive vacuole (DV) permeabilization. Increased intracellular calcium induces the suicidal death of erythrocytes also known as eryptosis. This study aimed to identify the hallmarks of eryptosis due to calcium redistribution and the downstream cellular effects during CQ treatment in iRBCs. Plasmodium falciparum 3D7 at mid-late trophozoites were used for the antimalarial drug treatment. Our results revealed increased phosphatidylserine (PS) exposure, cell shrinkage and membrane blebbing, delineating an eryptotic phenotype in the host RBC. Interestingly, the blebs on the surface of the iRBCs released to the extracellular milieu become extracellular vesicles (EVs) which are essential for intercellular communication due to their cargo of proteins, nucleic acids, lipids and metabolites. The proteomic characterization displayed 2 highly enriched protein clusters in EVs from CQ-treated iRBCs, the proteasome and ribosome. We demonstrated that this unique protein cargo is not associated with the parasite growth rate. Additionally, we found that these particular EVs might activate IFN signaling pathways mediated by IL-6 in THP-1-derived macrophages. Our findings shed new insights into a novel drug-induced cell death mechanism that targets the parasite and specific components of the infected host RBC. Copy rights belong to original authors. Visit the link for more info Podcast created by Paper Player, LLC

Gard Goldsmith, gardnergoldsmith.substack.com, joins to talk about a wide range of topics — from a new regulatory framework for gun control to his experiences writing for Star Trek and Outer LimitsOUTLINE with TIMECODES Gard's new show "Liberty Conspiracy" on Rokfin. Mon-Fri 6pm EST1:23 ATF's new approach of gun control without Congress (and of course, without the Constitution)5:10 How we know Fauci knew about Chloroquine and the NIH studies showing its efficacy against coronaviruses18:13 How Gard became a writer for Star Trek, then Outer Limits20:18 How do TV shows collaborate on scriptwriting?26:27 The politics of the Star Trek universe — there's NO MONEY in the Federation.35:30 We're turning in to the Prisoner's Village.38:07Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silver

Gard Goldsmith, gardnergoldsmith.substack.com, joins to talk about a wide range of topics — from a new regulatory framework for gun control to his experiences writing for Star Trek and Outer LimitsOUTLINE with TIMECODES Gard's new show "Liberty Conspiracy" on Rokfin. Mon-Fri 6pm EST1:23 ATF's new approach of gun control without Congress (and of course, without the Constitution)5:10How we know Fauci knew about Chloroquine and the NIH studies showing its efficacy against coronaviruses18:13 How Gard became a writer for Star Trek, then Outer Limits20:18How do TV shows collaborate on scriptwriting?26:27The politics of the Star Trek universe — there's NO MONEY in the Federation.35:30 We're turning in to the Prisoner's Village.38:07Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silver

ANYBODY NOTICE TRUMP CONFESSED? A BLOCK: (1:55) First, the memo William Barr had his lackeys write, with which he buried The Mueller Report, has now been released by a Federal Court. (4:25) It's exactly the kind of whitewash you'd expect, possibly pre-written by one of the attorneys who defended Sarah Palin during the McCain Campaign and another who signed off on the Bush Torture memos (5:46) Ryan Goodman says it's a "Get Out Of Jail Free Card" that starts with the sophistry that if Trump felt the investigation was undertaken just to undermine him politically, he couldn't have committed any crimes (7:20) Simply: the House of Representatives needs to start an investigation into possible Obstruction of Justice by Barr and his deputies Ed O'Callaghan and Steven Engel. (9:15) Oh by the way: the Trump Classified Documents Theft case is so enormous that nearly everybody missed the Trump confession contained in the court filing. If Trump wants "Executive Privilege" documents to be returned to him at Mar-A-Lago, he is necessarily confessing he TOOK THOSE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO MAR-A-LAGO. B BLOCK: (15:45) Every Dog Has Its Day: Duo-Duo in New York (17:16) You know how you KNOW Biden's Loan Forgiveness Program is good? Republicans are making fools of themselves trying to attack it. One complained without noting that his own firm had government loans worth $3,291,773 and they were... yup... forgiven. (20:10) A House Committee looking at Covid-19 turned up a familiar name among the charlatans: Mehmet Oz (20:46) The political data specialist of The Economist has preliminary good Mid-Terms news for Democrats, and better news for codifying Roe state-by-state.(22:15) Sports: Hall of Fame quarterback Len Dawson is dead (25:25) Eric Trump, Herschel Walker, and Marjorie Trailer Park Greene compete for Worst Person Honors. C BLOCK: (31:09) Things I Promised Not To Tell: Peter Jackson admits he considered asking a hypnotherapist to erase all his memories of making "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy (32:30) which flashes me back to the day I first stepped into my college radio station - 47 years ago today! - and was warned to do something immediately if I ever wanted to enjoy radio or music again!    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

ORAL MINOXIDIL IN PEDIATRICS   Jerjen R et al (starts at 12:33). Low-dose oral minoxidil improves global hair density and length in children with loose anagen hair syndrome. Br J Dermatol. 2021;184(5):977-978. Nicolas-Ruanes et al (starts at 15:33). Low-dose oral minoxidil for treatment of androgenetic alopecia and telogen effluvium in a pediatric population: A descriptive study. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2022 Apr 26; John JM et al (starts at 17:24). Safety and tolerability of low-dose oral minoxidil in adolescents: A retrospective review. J Am Acad Dermatol . 2022 Jul 5;S0190-9622(22)02245-9.   HAIR FIBERS AND CAMOUFLAGE Ring and Keller (starts at 25:13). Effect of camouflaging agents on psychologic well-being: A cross-sectional survey of hair loss patients. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2017 Jun;76(6):1186-1189 Babadjouni A et al (starts at 28:15). Patient Satisfaction and Adverse Effects Following the use of Topical Hair Fiber Fillers. Int J Trichology. 2022 May-Jun; 14(3): 97–102   HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE IN PREGNANCY Reynolds JA et al (starts at 34:38). Outcomes of children born to mothers with systemic lupus erythematosus exposed to hydroxychloroquine or azathioprine. Rheumatology (Oxford). 2022 Jun 29: Sperber K et al (starts at 38:25). Systematic review of hydroxychloroquine use in pregnant patients with autoimmune diseases. Pediatr Rheumatol Online J 2009;7:9. Kaplan Y et al (starts at 39:17). Reproductive outcomes following hydroxychloroquine use for autoimmune diseases: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 2016 May;81(5):835-48. Clowse MEB et al (starts at 40:27). Hydroxychloroquine in the pregnancies of women with lupus: a meta-analysis of individual participant data. Lupus Sci Med. 2022 Mar;9(1):e000651. Huybrechts K et al (starts at 42:37). Hydroxychloroquine early in pregnancy and risk of birth defects. 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Real-World Observational Evaluation of Hair Thinning in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis Receiving Teriflunomide: Is It an Issue in Clinical Practice? Neurol Ther. 2018 Dec; 7(2): 341–347. Porwal MH et al (starts at 55:41). Alopecia in Multiple Sclerosis Patients Treated with Disease Modifying Therapies. J Cent Nerv Syst Dis. 2022 Jun 23;14:11795735221109674.   DO IT YOURSELF LOW-ALLERGEN PRODUCTS Xiong M and Warshaw EM. (starts at 1:05:45) Hair Care Product Hacks: Do It Yourself Alternatives. Dermatitis. 2022 Jun 29. Zirwas M and Moennich J (starts at 1:00:25). Shampoos. Dermatitis. 2009 Mar-Apr;20(2):106-10 Tawfik M, Rodriguez-Homs LG, Alexander T, et al (starts at 1:01:10). Allergen content of  best-selling ethnic versus nonethnic shampoos, conditioners, and styling products. Dermatitis 2021;32(2):101–110 https://donovanmedical.com/diy   PREMATURE GREYING (EARLY CANITIES) Anggraini et al (starts at 1:08:50). Risk Factors Associated with Premature Hair Greying of Young Adult. 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Pawan Malhotra, Malaria Group, International Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, New Delhi , INDIA speaks on "Unravelling the mode of actions of two currentantimalarial: Chloroquine & Artemisinin".

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Mike Isaacson: Now when you say recommended dose… [Theme song] Nazi SS UFOsLizards wearing human clothesHinduism's secret codesThese are nazi lies Race and IQ are in genesWarfare keeps the nation cleanWhiteness is an AIDS vaccineThese are nazi lies Hollow earth, white genocideMuslim's rampant femicideShooting suspects named Sam HydeHiter lived and no Jews died Army, navy, and the copsSecret service, special opsThey protect us, not sweatshopsThese are nazi lies Mike: Welcome to another episode of the Nazi Lies Podcast. Subscribe to our Patreon to get access to early episodes and membership in our book club and Discord. Today we are joined by Dr. Tim Geary, a pharmacoparasitologist or parasitopharmacologist… He studies parasites and makes drugs. He's a professor emeritus at McGill University and still teaches courses at Queen's University Belfast. He's here to talk to us about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and why they probably won't neutralize Coronavirus. Thanks for joining us, Dr. Geary. Tim Geary: You're welcome, Mike. Please call me Tim. Mike: Okay, Tim. Before we get into all the science, tell our audience a little bit about what you've done professionally, because you have a very extensive list of bona fides, and I don't really know where to start. [laughs] Tim: That's quite all right. Yes, I have been working on the study of drugs, pharmacology, for about 45 years, and most of that time I've been working on chemotherapy of infectious diseases, primarily parasites. This includes work in Africa. Most of my career has been on veterinary parasites or human neglected tropical diseases caused by parasites. During the course of my career I have worked on malaria, and that's where chloroquine and its derivative hydroxychloroquine come from, and also ivermectin, which I have studied for many, many years, both in animals and people. In full disclosure, Mike, I once did work for the pharmaceutical industry, the animal health arm of a company called up Upjohn that is now known as Zoetis in Kalamazoo, Michigan. [ed. It's now part of Viatris.] I also consulted and worked with the World Health Organization, with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and with the Carter Center on various problems of tropical diseases, and I continue to be a consultant for some animal health companies. That's who I am. Mike: Very good. All right. Now you've done some research on both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, correct? Tim: I have, indeed. I worked on both how they work to kill parasites and also how parasites become resistant to them. I have studied them in clinical settings as well as in the laboratory, and I think I qualify as an expert in both medicines in the indications for which they are used, which is essentially tropical medicine and veterinary parasitology. Mike: Very good. And you've also been following the misinformation surrounding these two drugs too, right? Tim: I have, with great interest and concern. There aren't very many people in the world who are experts at drug discovery and drug development for these kinds of conditions. That's unfortunate. But yes, I have followed that, Mike, and I certainly have opinions about where the misinformation came from. It was not a malintention, it was just wrong interpretation and wrong design of some initial experiments that led to inappropriate conclusions in a rush to clinical use. Mike: Okay, so let's talk about each of these medications and then we'll talk about where the rumors started. So let's start with hydroxychloroquine. Since the beginning of the pandemic almost, it was heralded as a miracle COVID cure but was quickly discovered not to be that. What were its recognised clinical uses? Tim: So hydroxychloroquine is a derivative of a drug called chloroquine, which was also touted initially as a possible solution to COVID. Chloroquine was a miracle drug for the treatment of malaria. It saved, oh my gosh, millions and millions of lives over the course of its use. It's relatively cheap, it's reasonably safe and it was highly effective against malaria parasites until they evolved resistance to it. It's use for malaria has now diminished remarkably. Hydroxychloroquine was thought to be a safer alternative with a better sort of safety profile. But it never was really used for malaria. It just never displaced chloroquine. Instead, it found use as kind of an immunomodulator compound for people with systemic lupus erythematosus or lupus as it's commonly known, an autoimmune condition. So hydroxychloroquine for people with lupus does help to reduce symptoms, to reduce worsening of the disease, and it is a valuable drug for that purpose. Mike: Okay, and how safe is it to experiment with? Tim: Not very. I mean, it does have side effects, especially when you go over recommended dosing. We'll talk, I think Mike, in a little bit about how that relates to potential uses against COVID, if you like, but it's normal use in lupus patients, it's pretty well tolerated. But the doses are quite specific for that, and as with most medicines, it's safe when used appropriately. Mike: And what happens when it's not used appropriately? What kinds of symptoms can you... Tim: There are a variety; hearing loss is one that kind of stands out, but you can get imbalances, a sort of dizziness, classic nausea, vomiting, things like that. It's not a drug to be taken lightly. It's not as safe as many of the medicines that we use. But again, when it's used appropriately, it's fine. Mike: Okay, and how did the rumors start that this could be used to be COVID. Tim: So it's a classic story, Mike. So whenever a new condition surfaces, like COVID, there's a rush to test all the– what are known as the FDA registered medicines. These are medicines that have been approved for one use or another either by the US government or by the European agencies. It's always easier to adapt an approved drug for new indication than to register a completely new medicine. It's just way cheaper, way faster. So everyone turns to “What have we already approved just to see if by some unexpected chance it would also work in this new condition?” And that's what happened here. People can grow the SARS-CoV-2 virus in cell culture. So we grow it in cell culture and throw every compound that is registered and approved into those cultures to see, “Does any of them work?” And hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, which we'll talk about, they came out of that effort. There's a serious flaw with the strategy in this case. I will say, Mike, sometimes it works. Sometimes you find something you didn't expect. I don't think we'll have time to go into those exceptions but there are some. So a key-- and this is sort of basic science and I hope it's okay for everybody-- but a big factor is the kind of cell that you use to grow the virus to test it. Scientists typically use for viral diseases, a cell called the vero cell, which was derived from an African Green Monkey kidney. The reason they use this cell is because most viruses grow really well in it, so it's quite easy to adapt a new virus to that system. The problem is, it's not representative of the kinds of cells that say SARS-CoV-2, the COVID virus infect. Those would be human lung cells, if you will. So yes, hydroxychloroquine works at relatively high concentrations against the virus in vero cells. But it turns out if you do the same experiment with cultures of human lung cells, it really doesn't work at all, because the virus enters those cells in a way that's different than how it infects vero cells. Had we done the experiment properly, which is to use cultures of human lung cells, we wouldn't be having this conversation, Mike, because no one would have advanced hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure. I hope that answers okay, and I hope it's clear. It's not that the scientists who did this work had evil intentions, they did not. It's just that they used the wrong cell type, and people drew inappropriate conclusions from the result. Mike: Okay, let's switch gears to ivermectin. There's actually been a lot of misinformation about ivermectin on both sides of the don't-try-this-at-home debate. So in addition to the people on one side claiming that ivermectin can cure COVID, on the other side, you have people who are reducing ivermectin to just a horse dewormer. Tim: [laughs] Yeah. Well, ivermectin, like chloroquine is a wonder drug. Okay? First of all, ivermectin has revolutionized the treatment of parasites in animals, and we should not discount it. So maybe its primary use is actually in the prevention of heartworm infections in people's pets. It revolutionized the treatment of this. It's an important and extremely useful drug, but it also is very useful in people. It has been donated– More than a billion doses have been donated by Merck for the treatment of individuals infected with a couple of parasites in poor areas of the world, one is onchocerciasis or river blindness and the other is lymphatic filariasis or elephantiasis. So we have a huge history of use of the drug. It can be given once a year for these infections or twice a year. It's enormously important in tropical medicine. It is a human medicine. It is very safe as used. It's also extremely potent. So it takes very little of the drug to have a beneficial therapeutic effect. Mike: And how safe is it to experiment with? Tim: At the use doses, it's quite safe. There are isolated incidences which would never happen to people in the United States, for instance, or in regions that don't suffer from parasitic infections like this. It's very safe, but it can be overdosed. It's possible. One of the things that's really important to know, and I mentioned that it's very potent, right? So you give tiny doses to people who suffer from these parasitic infections, but the solutions that we use to treat animals, because animals are so much bigger than people, like horses or cows, for instance, they contain much higher amounts of the drug. And inappropriately taking those medicines you can get an overdose that has serious lethal concentrations and lethal implications, for instance. I think there have been a couple of fatalities in the US. So it should never be taken outside of a prescription by a physician. Mike: Okay. And where did the rumors about this one start from? Tim: [laughs] Exactly the same place, Mike. Ivermectin works against the virus in cell cultures, in vero cell cultures. It does not work in cultures of human lung cells, so there's no basis to presume that either of these drugs act by inhibiting the virus. I will also say that the concentrations of ivermectin that are required to be active even in the vero cells are 100 times higher than what you would see in a human dosed with a therapeutic amount of the drug. It's not even clear to me that even massive overdoses would give you enough of the drug in your blood to actually have this beneficial effect. The other problem, of course, that happened is people said, "Well, it's doing other things,” same with hydroxychloroquine, that maybe it's not inhibiting the virus but it has an immunosuppressive or some beneficial effect on immunity to the virus. That's unproven. I know of no real evidence that therapeutic doses of ivermectin for sure have this effect. Hydroxychloroquine is a kind of immunosuppressant and that is certainly not an effect you would like to see in acute infection, initial infection, because you need the immune system to combat the virus. It's possible that at later stages of more serious infections, when sometimes the human immune response can be over aggressive and cause pathology. That's why dexamethasone, which is a steroid that's used to suppress the immune system, has therapeutic benefit. But there's no reason to think that hydroxychloroquine will have any benefit over and above dexamethasone. And in fact, as you know, clinical trials in hospitalized patients showed no benefit whatsoever from hydroxychloroquine. Mike: And I would assume it's the same for ivermectin. Tim: It is. I'm sorry. It is. It's the same for ivermectin that we have treated hundreds of millions of people and literally billions of animals with this drug. No one has ever reported an antiviral effect or an immunosuppressive effect in these individuals. So we don't really have a mechanism that would explain either one. This becomes very important. I'm going to take a segue here if you don't mind. Mike: Hey, go for it. Tim: So right now ivermectin is undergoing clinical trials, not because of science but because of sort of public demand. These include several trials in the United States. The problem with a clinical trial like this is we have no hypothesized mechanism. So we don't have any way to judge, “How much ivermectin should we give to these people? What dose do we use? How frequently do we give it?” We have no idea what the target plasma concentration or blood concentration of the drug should be to have a beneficial effect on COVID. This makes the trial design extremely difficult. And it's going to complicate the interpretation. Right now some people think you have to take ivermectin all the time, other people think, “No, no, you just take it when you get sick.” We don't have a theoretical or any basis in theory to account for any of these outcomes. Mike: Okay. Switching gears again, I imagine in your relief work, you've encountered a bit of treatment and vaccine hesitancy, right? Tim: I think, Mike, just as a citizen, not necessarily have I sought it out. [laughs] I will say I have given a couple of other interviews about this and at least one of them generated a lot of negative feedback on my character because clearly ivermectin is a lifesaver and I'm doing a disservice. But in terms of vaccine hesitancy, I think it's coupled with enthusiasm for hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. It's a rather bizarre demonstration of human susceptibility to anecdote and conspiracy. I will say, look, a lot of people that advocate either one of these drugs are not evil. I think they're misguided. I'm looking forward to the results of the clinical trials on ivermectin that I hope will quell some of this over-enthusiasm. I don't believe they are malicious actors, they just are misinformed. There is no scientific rationale to advocate either of them. Vaccine hesitancy is a bit different. It's grounded in ignorance. There's a political component to it, which is difficult for me to accept, that somehow it threatens individual liberty to require people to protect each other. I find that a bizarre and unhealthy development in our society. I suppose it's always been there. There is no reason to fear the vaccine. They're well-grounded in science, all of the various pipes that have been advanced. They have all been approved after regular rigorous study. None of them has nefarious intent. There is no conspiracy among major pharma companies about this. I'm a little bit concerned that the medicines that have recently been approved, I think, one from Merck and one from Pfizer as antivirals, I think they're valuable. But it also gives people an opt-out for the vaccine to say, "Well, if I get sick I can get cured." That's unfortunate. I probably haven't answered your question, have I? Mike: Well, I was gonna ask what you find motivates the vaccine hesitancy and what motivates the hesitancy to believe medical professionals, if you've encountered that in your personal interaction with patients. Tim: I have. I mean, I don't treat patients. I want to be clear about that. I'm just a scientist. But of course I have lots of conversations in my life with some people who don't agree that vaccines are important. Some people don't agree that the virus is actually real. They think it's a hoax perpetrated, somehow, I don't know how. I'm gonna-- not being a sociologist, I'm not sure how valid my opinion is, but I think one of the factors is that most people don't know any scientists. They don't really know their physicians as people. We've become a customer-client medical system. You're probably too young to remember sort of the family doctor that would sit and chat. I know there's still some GPs that do that, but a lot of this is now assembly line. You show up, you don't even get 10 minutes, and you're on to the next patient. Right? People don't know physicians as people, they don't know scientists at all. The demise of the public school system in the US and the advance of private schools means that people who are scientifically literate often send their kids to private schools, and they don't get a chance to interact with, I'm just gonna say, non-scientists very much. They don't coach softball or baseball or football teams, they don't go to PTA meetings. Our dependence on electronic communications, as you and I are now doing, diminishes the opportunity for interpersonal interaction or casual just to say, "Hey, I do this for a living and you shouldn't be afraid of me and the people like me." But there is a distrust, especially in the Western countries-- actually, it's global. In the so-called elite, there is this distrust of intellectual output. I gotta tell you, just recently, the National Science Foundation released survey data of 30% of the scientists and engineers in the US are foreign born. And that's another barrier to communication; people tend to view foreigners with suspicion. So there's been a disconnect in American society between this incredible technology that drives our society and the people who benefit from it, or participate in it almost as unwitting, unwilling guinea pigs, right? That's a long winded answer, I hope it's okay. Mike: [laughs] Well, it's a good one. So what research are you working on now? Tim: One of the things that I have become fascinated by is how parasites manipulate their hosts. So a lot of my work is how the molecules that parasites release into their hosts affect the host response to allow them to succeed. Some of the parasites I studied live for many, many years in the host, large kind of parasites, and you'd think we should be really good at getting rid of them. And we are, in fact, really good at getting rid of almost every parasite, but some few species have figured out how to 'live long and prosper' as Mr. Spock would say, in our bodies. So I'm really curious about how they accomplish that. The other project I'm involved with at the moment is with the Carter Center, and it's about a worm, a parasite called guinea worm in Africa, which has nearly been eradicated, but it has recently been found to not only infect people but dogs, and so we're trying to come up with a medicine that can be used to treat the parasite in dogs so that eventually we can eradicate it. This is a parasite that Jimmy Carter has said, "I hope the last guinea worm dies before I do." Mike: And what does a guinea worm do? Tim: Oh my gosh, you want to really get grossed out? Your listeners, go look it up. It's a parasite called Dracunculus medinensis. It's the little dragon of Medina. It lives beneath the skin. The females get to be at least half a meter long or even longer, and they burrow out of the skin, and lay their eggs basically in water. It's disfiguring. It's very painful. It's an example of a gross parasite, I will say. But it can be cured or can be prevented if you keep people from going into the water. So this is kind of a behavioral solution that the Carter Center has really promoted. Or if you use filtered straws to drink. It infects people by drinking water that's contaminated with parasites. It's a lovely story. It would be a wonderful thing to eradicate, and I hope we can do it. Mike: Oh, really important work, Tim. Thank you so much for coming on the Nazi Lies podcast to teach us about drugs. This was fun. Tim: It's a pleasure. I think it's important to recognise, Mike, that people involved in fighting this virus are not motivated by malicious intent. They really are working to benefit people to try to get control of the epidemic, and they want everyone to get vaccinated. But thank you for inviting me, I sincerely appreciate the opportunity. Mike: Well, thank you so much. Tim: And another time perhaps, my friend. Mike: Absolutely. 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Do COVID-19 vaccines protect against the Omicron variant? Find out about this and more in today's PV Roundup podcast.

Americas report surge in drug-resistant infections due to misuse of antimicrobials during pandemic Ivermectin and Chloroquine among drugs proven ineffective against COVID-19. PAHO calls for responsible use of antimicrobials to prevent further spread of resistance.

Two major Brazilian HMOs are accused of treating Covid patients as guinea pigs, administering chloroquine and other drugs without their knowledge — and allegedly at the behest of the Bolsonaro government. This episode sampled the song Infados by Kevin MacLeod, from the YouTube Audio Library.Support the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/brazilianreport)

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In today's ID the Future, intelligent design pioneer Michael Behe continues his conversation with philosophers Pat Flynn and Jim Madden. Here in Part 2 of a three-part series, Behe offers an illustration from language and Madden presses him, noting that meaning detection in language is not parts to whole. A lively exchange ensues and then Behe turns the discussion back to his primary focus, detecting design in molecular biological machines by recognizing the purposeful arrangement of parts. From there the conversation turns to everything from epigenetics, systems biology, and autopoiesis to co-option, mousetraps, tie clips, biologist Kenneth Miller, and the philosophers Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas. For Behe's newest book, A Mousetrap for Darwin, go here. This discussion is presented here with permission of philosopher Read More › Source

In this episode, Legal Drugs Podcast Host, Angela Stoyanovitch, speaks with Dr. Najah Abi-Gerges, head of AnaBios Corporation's R&D. Najah walks the audience through recent publications in collaboration with big pharma on the cardiotoxicity effects of three drugs that have been posed to treat COVID19. Cardiotoxicity studies are an important step in understanding the safety of a legal drug.  AnaBios uses their early-stage discovery and translational research model to test and compare Hydroxychloroquine, Chloroquine and Azithromycin in adult human primary cardiomyocytes. Cardio safety is especially personal to both Angela and Najah as both speak about their family history with heart disease.  More importantly, for areas and parts of the world where COVID vaccines will not be made available or accessible, viable treatments need to be accessed for potential risks in order to provide the best alternatives.  Link to Scientific Report article, NIH & FDA press releases from AnaBios;  NIH/NCATS Awards SBIR Grant to AnaBios FDA Inks Research Collaboration with AnaBios FDA Awards AnaBios Contract   This episode edited and produced by Margaret Beveridge.

Catch up on what you missed on an episode of The Richard Syrett Show. Richard Syrett kicks off the show with a good friend of the show, Lou Schizas. Freedom-lover & small-town family physician, Dr. Patrick Phillips speaks on a new study suggesting Hydroxy Chloroquine and Azithromycin heavily improving the survival of COVID-19 patients. Tony Heller fights back against Climate Change Alarmism. Lou Schizas returns once again for News Not In The News. Host of ”The Counter Signal” Podcast, Keean Bexte talks about Prime Minister Trudeau's plan to biometrically identify the vaccination status of Canadians & Foreigners when entering Canada. Plus, all-around funny man & stand-up comedian, “That Canadian Guy,” Glen Foster talks about his new comedy album “Unchecked,” which is available at thatcanadianguy.com

In 2005, Dr. Fauci endorsed the use of Chloroquine and it's milder derivative Hydrocholroquine, as 'a wonder drug cure' for Covid-Sars. President Trump used the drug, and recovered from Covid in 3 days, as did his family and staff. President Trump was reviled and censored for his endorsment of the drug as a cure (and as a vaccine just as Fauci did 16 years ago) at the height of the PLANDEMIC. Facebook and Twitter convinced Americans that there is NO CURE for Covid, and only a Shot will help them to be 'safe'.  Americans who have hated 45 since he came down the escalator, chose to ignore the testimonies by Trump to the miraculous recoveries of this Wonder Drug, and it was due to their ongoing brainwashing, by The Left, to NOT trust anything that POTUS TRUMP endorsed. Even the shot (its not a vaccine) which was produced under Trumps' Operation Warp Speed, was viewed with skepticism by the Left, UNTIL the  election was stolen, and they began promoting the shots, convincing Americans that the fake administration is responsible for the shots (which are NOT vaccines) because of the fake regime's endoresment of them and/or once they were convinced that the fraudelently disguised electoral coup was indeed a legally won presidency. In other words, BOTH the stolen election and the fake vaccines were accepted by many Americans as TRUE. Fortunately, not many Americans bought the lie, which is why the Left is desparate to get more Americans shot up with the depopulation shots that the Left has been able to persuade only one-third of the population, those who have been afraid for their 'safety' throughout the 18 month long hoax. Dr. Faucistein is presently on the run. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lillianperry/message

Dès le début de la crise du Covid-19, le Pr. Didier Raoult s'est inscrit comme l'élément central d'un clivage particulièrement féroce. Héros pour les uns, faux prophète pour les autres, le chercheur controversé agite encore les débats. Mais quelle que soit votre opinion sur le personnage et ses hypothèses, votre avis est-il véritablement rationnel ?

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Larry CookWebsites:www.StopMandatoryVaccination.comwww.VaccineFreeParenting.comwww.Covid19Refusers.comwww.TheNaturalGuide.comwww.Facebook.com/LarryCook333www.youtube.com/user/LarryCook333 The Free America PodcastWebsite - https://www.freeamericapodcast.com/Bitchute - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/XUMguOqsBvbm/Rumble - https://rumble.com/user/FreeAmericaPodcastAlternate Social MediaGab - https://gab.com/FreeAmericaPodcastMewe - https://mewe.com/i/freeamerica2 Action ItemsFacebook Reverses Censorship of Man-Made Covid Claims - https://justthenews.com/nation/technology/facebook-will-no-longer-spike-posts-claim-covid-19-man-madeFacebook Whistleblower Reveals Censorship of Vaccine-Hesitant - https://www.foxnews.com/media/facebook-whistleblowers-leak-documents-revealing-effort-to-censor-vaccine-hesitancy-reportResistance to Vaccine Mandates is Building - https://report.drudgenow.com/article/?u=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/resistance-to-vaccine-mandates-is-building-a-powerful-network-is-helping/ar-AAKp8jm&n=0&s=2&c=1&pn=AnonymousFauci Admits Covid May Be Man-Made - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/huge-rat-trap-fauci-admits-covid-may-lab-admits-funding-chinese-labs-video/US Government Concerned About Directed Energy Weapons Used by Adversaries - https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-51ebd4f82664aacc5394c1863cd6a5f2Busted! CDC Caught Manipulating Data of Covid Amongst Vaxxed - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/busted-cdc-caught-manipulating-data-hide-new-covid-cases-among-already-vaxxed/Nutty Professor Claims White Supremacy Causing Blacks to Attack Asians - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/colorado-professor-claims-white-supremacy-causing-black-people-attack-asians/CCP Official Admits China Launched Biological Attack Against US in 2020 - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/senior-member-ccp-think-tank-claims-china-won-unprecedented-biological-war-us-2020-put-us-back-place-video/2005 Study by Dr. Fauci Finds Chloroquine Works - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

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Press the “play” button at the top left or on the picture to start the show. Call in number:  215 383-3832. Action Radio live shows and podcasts:  BlogTalkRadio.com/citizenaction International calls online - Skype name - GregPenglis Bill writing site:  www.WriteYourLaws.com Patreon sponsors:  https://www.patreon.com/ActionRadio Twitter:  @ActionRadioGP Parler:  @GregPenglis Facebook:  Facebook.com/radiolegislature ***** Action Radio Show Notes:  3/16/21   ***  The first two minutes of the show are completely distorted.  Please skip them. 00:00 - Jean Virnig's Life Coach Report.  Jean again put this crisis into perspective by having you deal and live in the present. 40:00 - South of the Border Report, with Josie Coussie.  Josie told us about the horrible conditions and overcrowding.  But then I posited a new question - what if illegal aliens fleeing communism and socialism in their country, find the same thing here, would they become illegal alien conservatives? 1:00:00 - Main Topic, Guests and Callers.  215 383-3832.  Detail on mRNA technology, "gain of function" enhancement to make viruses more dangerous, and the chance to end the tyanny with Hydroxychloroquine.  I include Dr. Zelenko's letter to the President, and Dr. Raoult in Marseille who wrote in February. 2020 that Chloroquine cures Covid.  There was no need for a pandemic.  The whole crisis has been manipulated from the start. ***** Action Radio is the synergy of radio broadcast technology, the internet, the radio audience, articles, podcasts, news videos, state and federal legislators, the governors, and even the President, in an entirely new way to make our laws.  

 Depuis une publication de l'équipe de Didier Raoult, en mars, un traitement contre la covid19 (d'abord la chloroquine, puis l'hydroxychloroquine associée à l'azithromycine) fait polémique dans toutes les strates de la société. La polarisation immédiate du débat a rendu une bonne partie de la population totalement sourde aux arguments contradictoires. Pour se faire un avis, il faut reprendre à la source les informations rendues publiques dans leur contexte et retracer la chronologie des éléments de preuve... et des éléments de doute. Disposons-nous d'assez de fait pour avoir une opinion sur les traitements proposés ?   Invités : Damien BARRAUD (FakeMed) & Hervé SEITZ (CNRS)  Liens youtube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6oW35QKC-Q&ab_channel=LaTroncheenBiais   Pour nous soutenir : - Helloasso : https://www.helloasso.com/associations/association-pour-la-science-et-la-transmission-de-l-esprit-critique - Tipeee : https://fr.tipeee.com/la-tronche-en-biais - Utip : https://utip.io/astec - La boutique de la TeB : https://shop.spreadshirt.fr/la-tronche-en-biais/ Production : ASTEC Animateurs : Acermendax et Vled Tapas Réalisation : Lise Corsiglia Lumière : Clément Agnes Régie : Lise Corsiglia Illustrations et infographie : Loki Jackal & A.S.T.E.C Modération : Elodie Meynier, Eno Frous, Francine Cordier, i0, Luca Bobenrieth, Nashi, Sam Duma, Valerian Cedigt, Vled Tapas Editeur podcast : Corentin Savre

Dr. Mark Gordon is an expert in the field of neuroregenerative medicine and the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries. SFC Andrew Marr is a Green Beret, co-founder of the Warrior Angels Foundation, and author of "Tales from the Blast Factory". He is also one of the subjects in the new documentary "Quiet Explosions" available now. Video credit: "Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34: US Cases Surge, Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown" by MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY - https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M

"What are the odds that the #1, #2, and #3 medical journals in the world independently, but virtually simultaneously, published flawed studies that happened to dovetail with a specific media narrative?"—Simone Gold, MD We welcome to the programme Dr. Simone Gold, MD, JD—an emergency physician and lawyer based in Los Angeles—for an in-depth conversation on the subject of the politicisation of hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Gold's blog—The Gold Opinion : Facts Lead, Opinions Follow - Five Minutes with a Doctor-Lawyer - Conventional Wisdom Debunked—can be found at https://thegoldopinion.com/ "Simone Gold, MD, JD, FABEM, is a board certified emergency physician. She graduated from Chicago Medical School before attending Stanford University Law School to earn her Juris Doctorate degree. She completed her residency in Emergency Medicine at Stony Brook University Hospital in New York. Dr. Gold worked in Washington D.C. for the Surgeon General, as well as for the Chairman of the Labor & Human Resources Committee. She works as an emergency physician on the frontlines whether or not there is a pandemic. Her clinical work serves all Americans: from urban-inner city, to suburban, to the IHS. Her legal work has focused on conflicts between hospitals and insurers. She writes on a number of policy issues relating to law and medicine. She always leads with the facts." (NB: Nothing said in this podcast should be understood as medical advice. Please consult your doctor before taking any medications.) For show notes please visit https://themindrenewed.com

The 21st day of protests commences after the police killing of a Black man in Atlanta intensifies for racial justice. After the fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks, the Atlanta mayor signs orders on police use of force. Rayshard Brooks' widow speaks on his death and says, "it was murder." Newly released dispatcher audio reveals concern over officers' use of force on George Floyd. Trump says he'll sign an executive order on police reform tomorrow. 19 Atlanta police officers have resigned in the last 10 days, the number of police resignations grows amid calls for police reform. Trump reschedules Tulsa rally amid backlash over plans to hold the rally on Juneteenth, the day that marks the end of slavery. Trump claims nearly one million people want tickets to his Tulsa rally as experts warn of coronavirus risk.Trump's recent walk down a ramp at West Point is raising health questions. The United States coronavirus death toll surpasses 116,000. The FDA ends emergency use of Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine citing "serious cardiac adverse events." The NFL Network says that several Dallas Cowboys, Houston Texans players test positive for coronavirus. Supreme Court says that workers can't be fired for being LGBTQ. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy

Chloroquine Controversy – A Video in French and in English. Some say that chloroquine a miracle cure for Covid-19. Others say that saying this is exactly what's slowing down research. Who is right? Listen to the authentic French in this video and learn French with Anne, one step at a time, at FrenchHour.com Continuez à lire. . . The post La polémique sur la chloroquine at FrenchHour appeared first on French Etc.

Welcome to the emDOCs.net podcast with Brit Long, MD (@long_brit) and Manpreet Singh, MD (@MprizzleER)! Join us as we review our high-yield posts from our website emDOCs.net. This episode covers therapies in COVID, first looking at antivirals, and second, at hydroxychloroquine (HC) and chloroquine (CQ). The original antiviral post was released on March 30 and the HC and CQ post on April 6. Needless to say, there have been several significant updates in the literature concerning these agents. Today, we are going to focus on these and provide some more insights. The details of all studies discussed in the podcast are below in the post. To continue to make this a worthwhile podcast for you to listen to, we appreciate any feedback and comments you may have for us. Please let us know!Subscribe to the podcast on one of the many platforms below:Apple iTunesSpotifyGoogle Play 

Welcome to the emDOCs.net podcast with Brit Long, MD (@long_brit) and Manpreet Singh, MD (@MprizzleER)! Join us as we review our high-yield posts from our website emDOCs.net. In this episode, we cover hydroxychloroquine / chloroquine toxicity and oxygen escalation therapy in COVID-19 patients.To continue to make this a worthwhile podcast for you to listen to, we appreciate any feedback and comments you may have for us. Please let us know!Subscribe to the podcast on one of the many platforms below:Apple iTunesSpotifyGoogle Play 

Mike & Dan talk charity, Kraftwerk and the Spanish Flea. #podcast #TOPCONTENTPOD #listeningtogether

Remington Nevin is an MD and expert on the quinoline family of drugs, best known for their use against malaria. He has been interviewed here before, on the subject of mefloquine, which is believed to have caused severe neurologic damage, especially in soldiers who were forced to take it even after experiencing adverse effects. Similar effects are also found with chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. The latter is often used for rheumatoid arthritis, and doctors there say that it is remarkably free of side effects. They forget, however, that a lot of patients stop taking it quite quickly after starting, probably because they are the sub-group that is vulnerable to side effects. Given that high doses are being used for COVID-19, and on elderly, infirm people, one can expect significant problems with side effects.   You can find out more of the work of Dr Nevin on his Quinism Foundation website: https://quinism.org  

The difference between Chloroquine and Hydroxychlorquine plus a discussion on Patriot George Webb. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/drpaulaudioarchive/message

Here comes the Chloroquine. Gov. Desantis made an announcement yesterday that could be very beneficial for many people in the state. And is this creepy or necessary? You have to hear what his drone was saying while flying over NYC.

An honest, fact based, easy to understand discussion on the origins of the Chinese Coronavirus, how to protect yourself from getting infected, and how the human immune system works.  AJ Steel also covers the Coronavirus vaccine, Blood serum transfusions, and promising medications such as Chloroquine, and Remdesivir.  As usual, AJ does not hold back from telling it like it is. No doom and gloom here, and no sugar coating. Just the plain unvarnished truth!  Don't miss this important and potentially life saving podcast.  

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The great Chloroquine debate surged over the weekend, why are people so upset over this thing? We'll give you the latest. And it's time to wear a mask, at least that's what we are being told. We give you some advice on how to make a DIY version.

Dr. Aileen Marty joins us to discuss the latest facts that we need to know about the pandemic. Is there some real hope now that the FDA ordered the use of Chloroquine? And if you have kids and have had trouble explaining all this, we'll tell you about what Nickelodeon is doing tonight.

President Trump says an anti-malarial drug could be a “gift from god” for treating Covid-19. Does it really work? And is it dangerous? We talk to toxicologist Professor Daniel Brooks, infectious disease specialist Dr. Matthew Pullen, and microbiologist Professor Karla Satchell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Don't Be Stupid March 23, 2020 Earlier today a man died and his wife is in critical condition after trying to self medicate against the Coronavirus. While it is important that we use any kinds of medication properly, people need to know that if you have something that was talked about on TV and has not been tested properly, DON'T DO IT!!! Let's Talk About The Why Articles: “Man Dies After Ingesting Chloroquine In An Attempt To Prevent Coronavirus” https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166 #covid19 #coronavirus #chloroquine #medication #OTC #experimental #election2020 #pandemic #podcast #PayItForward #BestVersionOfYourself #BeSmart ==================== About The Caramel Conservative Podcast is a no holds barred, no B.S. take on current events and politics in the United States with a great mixture of sarcasm and humor from a very right of center perspective tempered with common sense. Ed Delgado, the host of The Caramel Conservative Podcast, has long been interested in American politics and giving his opinions on that and other current events of the day. Rarely is anything ever held back and everything is fair game. Taking on all topics with out of the box thinking, wit, humor, and a hint of sarcasm. ==================== The Caramel Conservative Website: www.plusultramedia.com Contact: edelgado@plusultramedia.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheCaramelConservativePodcast/ ==================== Theme Music for the Caramel Conservative Podcast heard Tuesday Nights 8pm CST Cyberpunk by Montee Licensed through PremiumBeat License #2790483 ==================== The Equipment I Use: Microphone MXL BCD-1 Dynamic XLR Microphone (Midnight) https://amzn.to/2TBDRvt MXL BCD-1 Dynamic XLR Microphone (Black) https://amzn.to/38owvQe Boom Scissor Arm Stand Neewer NW-35 Metal Suspension Boom Scissor Arm Stand with Built-in XLR Male to Female Cable, Shock Mount and Table Mounting Clamp (Black) https://amzn.to/2TBHDot Mixer Behringer Q802USB Premium 8-Input Mixer with XENYX Mic Preamps https://amzn.to/2R6SbKN Camera Logitech C922x Pro Stream Webcam – Full 1080p HD Camera https://amzn.to/38jkjA4 Mobile Microphone Lavalier Lapel Microphone for iPhone X 8 7 Plus 6 6s 5 5s / iOS/Android | Mini Lav Mic with Clip on YouMic https://amzn.to/38eMUq6 NOTE: This description contains affiliate links to products I use and trust. Should you choose to use these links, this channel may earn affiliate commissions at no additional cost to you. As always we appreciate your support!

Drive in with The Morning Ritual weekday mornings on KNST AM790 Garret talked to Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai and he explains why he thinks Dr. Fauci is a fraud, why ruining the economy for the Chinese virus is terrible and how people can protect themselves from the Chinese virus and other viruses. Dr. Oz on his own study of the effectiveness of Chloroquine. Plus lowlights from Rachel Maddow, Cryin' Chuck and Chris Herstam.

There's a lot of excitement in Silicon Valley about chloroquine as a potential treatment for coronavirus. But the paper that's circulating has been overhyped and is a little bit bogus. Still: that doesn't mean we shouldn't experiment and test. And ideally, there will be real data soon. More here: https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-covid-19-and-silicon-valleys-into-it/

Drive in with The Morning Ritual weekday mornings on KNST AM790 Gregory Rigano explains how and why a drug created in 1945 can kill COVID-19. A study was done and it showed that when COVID-19 patients took chloroquine and azythromycin, 100 percent of the patients had tested negative for COVID-19. He talks about the world renowned French researcher that did this and why our government needs to acknowledge this and get this drug produced. Rigano also said he knows President Trump has read his paper.

This week, I talk through the discoveries of a few leftover antibiotic classes. I didn't quite have enough for a full episode for each, but I still wanted to throw some credit around. First up, we have glycopeptides, the first one being vancomycin. Edmund Kornfeld, working at Eli Lilly, is credited with the discovery.The second class of drugs is quinolones, which are turned up by two companies simultaneously. George Lesher, at the firm Sterling-Winthrop, and Walter Hepworth, at Imperial Chemical Industries, both get some credit. Website: http://thehistoryofmedicine.buzzsprout.com/E-mail: thehistoryofmedicinepodcast@gmail.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHistoryOfMedicine/Transcripts and Sources here!

Introduction Well, I was just praying a moment ago about the spiritual vision that faith gives us, the ability to see into the invisible realms. That's faith. And I don't doubt that many of you walked in here today in some kind of spiritual bondage, as though there were chains around your heart. I'm speaking even to believers in Jesus Christ, that there are chains that Satan can put around our souls that hinder us in our walks with Christ. And I don't doubt that if the Lord has sovereignly brought unbelievers here, that you are wrapped up in the chains of bitterness and unforgiveness. And the thing that's so beautiful about the Gospel is that Jesus has the power to set us free. He has the power to set prisoners free. And my desire for this sermon today is that you would be set free from bitterness and unforgiveness, that the Word of God might be at work in your lives and in your heart so effectively that you would feel a sense of liberation. Jesus said this in John Chapter 8, "Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. But if the Son sets you free, you'll be free indeed,” or truly free. That's my vision, my heart is that all of God's people would have that sense of liberation. The Key to Escaping Doubt As we come to the last two verses of Ephesians 4, I had in my mind, a picture of a dark and looming castle, foreboding and terrifying, and the image comes quickly in my mind to Pilgrim's Progress, which we were reading with my family. And you remember that story about how Christian and Hopeful are making their way on the journey to Heaven, it's an allegory of the Christian life, and as they're making their way to the celestial city, they come to a particularly difficult stretch of the road. And there's this convenient, pleasant little path along the side, in this meadow, and it looks a lot easier than the path they're in, so they jump the fence, which you just learn in Pilgrim's Progress never to do. Never leave the straight and narrow. As soon as you do, you're in trouble. But for a while, it ran alongside and things were comfortable and things were good for a while. But soon they found themselves in great distress, for they were on the grounds of a dreadful castle called ‘Doubting Castle.’ It was owned by a terrifying ogre, a giant called Giant Despair, and that was his property. And he found them sleeping on the ground because they couldn't find their way back onto the road, and he arrested them, seized them, and threw them into his dreadful dungeon. And there he kept them, and tortured them, and tormented them and afflicted them so bitterly that they wanted to die, and as a matter of fact, he tempted them directly with suicide. He offered them dagger, or a little vial of poison, or some rope whereby they could kill themselves. And he was saying, "If you don't do it, I am going to just rip you limb from limb. Here are the bones of all the others that I have killed." And so they were in deep despair until suddenly at one moment, Christian remembered something. Something came to his mind. "Why are we sitting in this stinking dungeon?" And he reached into his breast pocket and pulled out a key, a miraculous key that fit every lock in Doubting Castle. It was called the Key of Promise. And by believing in the promises of God, they were set free, and they were liberated from Doubting Castle. The Castle of Bitterness So, I haven't asked John Bunyan's permission for this, that would be weird, but I want to take the images and transfer them some. I want to imagine that some of you pilgrims, who are on your way, are locked up in a different kind of castle, but very much like this one. And I'm going to call it the ‘Castle of Bitterness’ or ‘Bitterness Castle.’ And the giant that's beating you up is, I'm going to give him the name Giant Vengeance. And there you are languishing in these chains in this prison of bitterness, and everyday the giant comes and gives you a seemingly delicious elixir to drink. And it's sweet in the mouth, but bitter in the stomach. And it fills your mind with all kinds of hallucinations and images of harm done to your enemies, all the people who have hurt you and sinned against you. And you have dark thoughts of what you would like to do to them, and this poison that you're drinking makes you, increasingly angry, and unbeknownst to you, makes you more and more powerless, more and more enslaved, less and less likely to get out of Bitterness Castle, when suddenly Christian remembered that you have a key in your breast pocket and the key is called forgiveness. And by forgiveness, you can be set free from this vicious castle. That's the image I have in my mind today. The Causes of Bitterness and Unforgiveness There may be many of you in the throes of bitterness, the bitterness of unforgiveness, and that Satan has wrapped, or continually is wrapping chains around your heart, secretly around your heart. Perhaps you have been sinned against greatly in your life. I've been in pastoral ministry for well over 20 years, I've done a lot of counseling, and I don't doubt at all that many of you have been sinned against, even very viciously. Perhaps you were abused as a child, maybe physically, emotionally, maybe even sexually. Maybe you were attacked or assaulted by a criminal. Maybe you were mugged, or some other criminal act happened to your family. Maybe some loved one was murdered, even. Perhaps you are and have been for many years a victim of racism or other social injustice. And so, those kinds of terrible things happen. We know that around the world, our brothers and sisters are viciously persecuted. I mean they are actually persecuted. They're tortured, they're imprisoned. We know that these things actually happen in the world. Then there's the other context, and I was just thinking about all of you. I'm thinking about the context of marriage, and I don't doubt that many marriages have been severely hurt by serious sin. That there is the sin of sexual infidelity, of adultery, or internet pornography, or other things that have seriously damaged trust, and there's one of you that's deeply wounded by the sin of another. Or, I think about the parent-child relationship, which is so challenging and so imperfect as sinners try to train other sinners and things aren't done well, and it's so easy to have bitterness up toward your parents, or for the parents to feel bitterness toward, especially grown children who aren't walking with the Lord. And so, in the family life, there's so much of temptation toward bitterness. And then I think about church life and how church life, local church life, I mean is so poisoned by bitterness and unforgiveness. Things happen. Sinners are gathered together in covenant relationship with one another and things get said that shouldn't be said. Things get done that shouldn't have been done, or vice versa, things that should have been said weren't. Acts of kindness that should have been given or sacrificial acts of love that should have been given weren't. I don't doubt that for a moment. And so, there can be a deep-seated hostility towards that specific church, or just church in general. I remember years ago, I was witnessing to a man and he hadn't been to church in years, raised in a Christian home, but he just hadn't been and it wasn't long until we got talking and he told me a tale of woe about something that happened years ago at a local church. I thought it was a significant issue, but it was even more significant that he hadn't been back to church since. So I asked him, I said, "Have you ever had food poisoning? Has that ever happened to you?" He said, "Yeah, actually, I have." I said, "Was it bad?" He said, "It was really bad." I said, "Did you give up eating?" He said, "Good point." We don't give up eating because we had one bad meal and we don't give up on local church because something happened once. But you may lack the means to know how to have a complete work of forgiveness in your heart, a work of grace so that you're genuinely, truly set free. As Jesus said, "free indeed." And that's the desire I have. So I don't doubt that there have been real hurts in your life. I also wonder so much about imaginary hurts. You can be so genuinely hurt that you lose trust in other people and then you start ascribing bad motives, and reading people's hearts, and looking into what they're doing and looking at a look on the face, or a reluctance, or something, and you just see so many sins there as though you can read their minds. Those imaginary sins can be just as powerful as real ones. Brothers and sisters, Jesus can set us free from all of this. And that's the beauty that I have of preaching at the end of Ephesians 4, these two verses. Now, I want you to know that I don't intend to continue to go this slowly through the Book of Ephesians. I was talking to one brother. He said, "You know, I was talking to another person and we were thinking that you are preaching through Ephesians as though you'll never preach through this book again." “Well,” I said, "Actually, I always preach like that." I never assume that I'm going to get a second crack at Isaiah 55 or Genesis 12 or Galatians 3. I try to maximize the time we have, but I don't want to slow down in a micro-way. I really am excited about what books are yet to come, and the passages yet to come. So yes, we are right in the middle of a sermon from last week. So I preached on one verse last week, verse 30, "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God with whom you're sealed for the Day of Redemption." I'm going to rectify the problem today by preaching on two verses. So that's my desire. I'm going to preach on two whole verses today. But I think, as you can see, and you can always see, already see the way I've kind of set up, or introduced this is how vital these verses are for us. And honestly, I don't apologize for slowing down in this very practical section of God's word because I actually think some of the topics that Paul addresses in Ephesians 4, 5 and 6 are going to be the weightiest, most significant, most practical issues you'll ever face in your life, and we may never have a chance to look at specifically how Ephesians addresses these things again. And so, I want to maximize it. A Life of Tenderhearted Forgiveness in the Spirit (vs. 31-32) So look at verses 31 and 32. There it says, "Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." So, the context of all of these ethical injunctions should not be ignored. We're not just being told to be moral, to be good people, we are taught in Ephesians how the morals, the ethics of the Christian life are built on the solid foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The plan of redemption that God has worked, “that God planned from before the foundation of the world, how God chose us in Christ before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight and how in love He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ and how Christ shed His blood on the cross. In Him we have redemption through His blood the forgiveness of sins,” and that's going to be vital for the lesson even today. Brief Overview of Ephesians So we're told in Ephesians 1, the depths of the work of God, His eternal plan and how Christ executed, and how the Holy Spirit then in His sovereign grace to you applied it to you personally. It says in Ephesians 1:13, "And you also, when you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of God." And so, he gives us that great vision in Ephesians Chapter 2 of this, of the spiritual temple rising brick by brick, “living stone by living stone to be a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit, the eternal Church of Jesus Christ.” So, that's Ephesians 1-3. Then in Ephesians 4-6, he talks about how then shall we live in light of these things given that we have this incredible Gospel, this eternal plan of God, what kind of life should we live in this world? Begins in Ephesians 4:1 where Paul says, "As a prisoner for the Lord, then I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received." He goes right from that into talking about unity. He says in verses 2-4, "Be completely humble and gentle. Be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit," he says. So I think all of that's very relevant. Anything that ruptures the Body of Christ, any sin that hurts the Body of Christ is grievous to the Holy Spirit, and damages the work of God in this world, any sin. But I would say, there are a few sins so destructive as bitterness, and anger, and unforgiveness. They're just guaranteed to destroy families and they're guaranteed to destroy churches. And so we have in Ephesians 4, a beautiful vision of the power of God to liberate His people from these sins. The remedy for us is we, Christians, who have been forgiven so much, must forgive much as well. That's the lesson that we're going to see. A Central Work of the Spirit: Supernatural Unity in Christ’s Body And so last week, we talked about the grieving of the Holy Spirit of God, verse 30, "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God with whom you were sealed for the Day of Redemption." We talked about how this teaches us about the person of the Holy Spirit, and how the Spirit is a person. He is not an impersonal force like electricity or wind, for He can be grieved. And so, we have this sense of the sins of our lives being grievous to Him and so we spent the whole time on that, but we're transitioning now to talk about what flows from that. "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God with whom you were sealed for the Day of Redemption." And then it says, "Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger." So the idea here is that our bitterness, our unforgiveness is grievous to the Holy Spirit of God, and how He is commanding us here now to get rid of it. So, this is talking about a life of tender-hearted forgiveness in the Spirit. So the central work of the Spirit here is the supernatural unity of the Body of Christ that we just mentioned. Get Rid of Defiling Sins that Destroy the Body And so, Paul then lists sins that work to rip apart the unity of the body, that pollute us, that corrupt our souls. So we're talking about the pattern of sanctification, of becoming more and more holy, and how He gives us a rhythm of sanctification in verses 22-24. Look again at that if you would. In verses 22-24, Ephesians 4, it says, "You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off the old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires," put it off, "to be made new in the spirit of your minds and to put on the new self created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." And then, He just goes through various topics of the Christian life. He talks right away about lying. “Each of you,” verse 25, “must put off falsehood.” So, we're going to put off lying and deceit and falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor for we're all members of one body. So, we're putting off lying, we're putting on truth-telling. And then again in verse 28, "He who has been stealing must steal no longer but must work, doing something useful with his own hands that he may have something to share with those in need." Same thing, we're putting off the corruption of stealing, but we're not left neutral doing nothing not knowing what to do. Instead, we are putting on labor, we're going to work hard with our hands, we're going to develop a skill, a craft, and we're going to generate money and resources with which we can now help others, not hurt others by stealing from them, it's a new way of living. And the same thing in verse 29, with our speech, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth." So this is negative sanctification, things that we must not do. “Don't let corrupting speech come out of your mouth,” “but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may give grace to those who hear.” So no, we're not taking a life time vow of silence, but we're actually supposed to speak, we're supposed to speak the truth in love, and build each other up by the Word of God, and by gracious words that will strengthen the Body of Christ. So it's that same rhythm here. “Get rid of these sins that defile the body, that corrupt the body, and be made new in your mind and put on a new way of relating” that we're going to see the same rhythm in verses 31 and 32. The Taste of Chloroquine And so, we come right away to this issue of bitterness, bitterness. So what is bitterness? When you think of bitterness, what does that mean? Well, I think it's a deep-seated anger. It's a long-term unforgiveness that corrupts the heart. Something happened a long time ago, and maybe a pattern of sins happened, and you just can't let it go. I remember on my first mission trip, it was in 1986, I went to Kenya. And I had to take medicine to prevent me, hopefully to prevent me from getting malaria. And one of the medicines that was prescribed for me with something called Chloroquine, and the “quine” is related to quinine. I have never, in all my life, put something so bitter in my mouth as that pill. It was a bitter pill. I mean literally, not metaphorically, literally a bitter pill. And to make matters worse, it was incredibly water soluble. So it didn't matter how much moisture I sucked from my tongue and got it absolute as dry as I could, having a bottle ready to take it down, it would start to melt instantly as soon as I put it on my [tongue]. It just was bitter, it would taste bitter for 15 minutes. Well, that was good when it was 15 minutes. There was one time, and I'll never forget it as long as I live, when as I was washing this pill down, it got wedged right between my molar and the inside of my cheek, just stuck there and completely melted in my mouth. Now some things you want to melt in your mouth, some things you don't. This is in that category of things you absolutely don't want melting in your mouth. I was thinking about Chloroquine and malaria the rest of the day. I couldn't get the taste out of my mouth, it was so bitter. Some people are like that in life. They're just bitter to interact with. Every encounter you have with them, you're left with that bitter taste. What is Bitterness? It's a persistent gloomy disposition. It's an outlook, a way of looking at life: grumpiness, irritability, sourness, negativity. It's usually displayed in sharp words, in a negative outlook, a negative way of looking at the providential circumstances that God brings in life. Seeing negative things in people. They complain about circumstances. There's not a lot of worship, not a lot of joy. Now, I would say unbelievers are persistently characterized by bitterness. However much they may cover it over with a veneer of joviality or their personality, but they are, inside their hearts, in some sense, nursing grievances. I think this is where secular counseling makes a lot of its money, it's just people just can't forgive their parents, or they can't forgive their spouse, or they can't forgive this or that, and they're just forever getting counseling as a result, and it's just an ongoing rhythm of bitterness. And so, I picture inside the heart of a bitter person, it's like they have one of the world's largest private zoos, a menagerie, and you've got all these wild, and untamed animals roaming your property, and roaming the halls of your zoo. And I was thinking I was reading about William Randolph Hearst, he had the largest private zoo in the world at the time, in the 1930s. He had skilled veterinarians that would feed these animals. Some of them roamed free. And I just get the picture of his veterinarians and animal handlers just going up and down and feeding these animals. And so, just metaphorically, they're just people that feed, that nurse their grievances. They keep them strong, they keep them alive, they bring them up again and again in their own minds, they feed those grievances. It's as though you don't ever want to forget that so and so did such and such to me. And so you're feeding it by remembering it. So, I believe non-Christians struggle deeply with this. It says in Romans 3, "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness." Peter said to Simon, who tried to buy the power of the Holy Spirit with money, he said, "I see that you're full of bitterness and captive to sin." So I just think this is characteristic of the unbeliever's life. But friends, it should not, it should not, it must not be characteristic of the Christian life. We've been set free from that. We have been set free. We should not be negative. We should be filled with joy and contentment in the Christian life. The Apostle Paul said so beautifully in Philippians 4, "I've learned the secret of being content. In any and every situation, whether well-fed or hungry, living in plenty or in want, I've learned that secret of being content." Bitter people have learned the opposite secret of being discontent in any and every situation. They could be very well-fed, they could be staying in an incredible hotel, they could be wearing the best of clothes. They're still not happy. They're high-maintenance people, if you know what I mean. We should not be that way. We should be walking in a sense of contentment and forgiveness. Psalm 34:8, "Taste and see that the Lord is good." Now, we've tasted, haven't we? We've tasted the goodness of God. We've tasted His kindness in Christ. So we must get rid of all bitterness. Ridding Ourselves of Sinful Anger Secondly, he talks about rage and anger, we'll take it together. Earlier in the chapter, Paul spoke of, I think, righteous anger, "Be angry, but don't sin." So there's righteous anger. This is not talking about righteous anger here at all, in verse 31. This is all unrighteous anger, wickedness. So get rid of it all. So, there's a whole range of sinful anger, from just normal anger, I don't know, peak irritation, all the way up to red faced, vein popping, and here's this word, “brawling.” Do you see this? Are you shocked by this word? “Get rid of all brawling. Dear friends stop that brawling. No more brawling.” Think about that. Do you guys struggle with brawling? Is this a problem for you? I picture a Western, a movie, a saloon with a bunch of drunken cowboys and gun-slingers throwing chairs at each other and people through windows. And I think it's just amazing the range of sins that the Apostle Paul felt it necessary to address. Well, some translations say it's a brawling, just like clamor. And so there's a sense of really the top end of anger, where you've really lost self-control. You're yelling, face is red. Now you've lost self-control. It says in Proverbs 29:11, "A fool gives full vent to his anger." So you're giving full vent to this person that you're zeroing in on and yelling at. How terrifying is this list of sin, and how great a cancer it is, and how far it will take us. Then he mentions something different; “slander.” Evil speaking is mentioned here. That's a little bit different, a little cooler, more calculated, in some ways, more vicious. It's like with a calm, cool, collected heart, you're going to assassinate someone's character by slander or gossip. The word here is related to our word for blasphemy. So you're going to just tear down someone who is created in the image of God, speaking against him, as James mentions. And then malice, which is just a deep seated determination to do someone harm. It's, I think, very related to vengeance at that point. Get rid of all feelings of vengeance. The word malice probably had its most famous use in American history in the second inaugural address of Abraham Lincoln. As you remember, at the end of that incredibly painful war in which so many hundreds of thousands of men were killed, North and South, he already had a vision for the reconciliation of the nation. And then in the second inaugural, he said this, "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right. Let us strive on to finish the work that we're in, to bind up the nation's wounds, and to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and for his orphan." So, Lincoln had a view of that. So I can imagine how bitter, some of those women and sons and brothers could have felt about their loved ones that died, and how much they still perhaps wanted to get vengeance on the other side, whoever the other side was, it didn't matter, but there's that sense of malice of vengeance. All of these things listed in verse 31, “grieve the Holy Spirit of God.” And we are told very simply to get rid of them. Like is it really that simple? Can we just take them out like the trash? I would say take them out like toxic waste. Take them out like something that's going to destroy your family. Yes, take it out. And frankly, in the end, it's going to be as simple as that, you're going to make a decision to forgive, and you're going to ask God for the empowerment of the Holy Spirit of God. I'm going to talk about how to do this at the end. But yeah, in the end, that's what it's going to be. Put On a Godly Demeanor Toward Others Instead, put on godly demeanor toward others, look at verse 32, "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ, God forgave you." So, here we've got that same rhythm, put off the old, the corruption, and then put on the new, and so we have this command. Now literally, it says, "become kind." I think that's more realistic, isn't it? Not, “Be as kind as you've been being toward this person.” You weren't being kind. Become kind. There's a transition that has to happen. There's a beautiful image that Martyn Lloyd-Jones gave me, as I was preparing for this message. And as you can see it my yard, there are trees that hold on to their old dead leaves all winter. Have you seen them? Some, they're old, get rid of them. But there's some that hold on to their dead leaves until the spring. And then they start falling because these beautiful, shiny new green leaves are coming in behind them, and pushing out the old. And that's a beautiful picture here of how kindness pushes out bitterness. So, what does it mean to be kind? That's a very common word. And as I've analyzed and I've studied it I think it has to do with a generous helpfulness. Kindness is a generous or a cheerful helpfulness. Whereas bitter people don't help at all, there's nothing helpful about bitter people. Kind people want to alleviate suffering wherever they see it. It's everything from giving a cup of cold water to somebody that is thirsty, to propping pillows behind someone who's bed ridden or alleviating suffering, even scratching someone's back or anything that you can do to alleviate misery in this world, that's kindness, done cheerfully. That's the key is your demeanor, your disposition. There's a cheerful helpfulness in kindness. Now it goes all the way up to infinity, because we're told that God was kind in saving us in Jesus. There's a link between kindness and salvation. And so it says if you look back at Ephesians 2:7, I love that verse. And it says in Ephesians 2:7 "In order that in the coming ages, [in the coming ages,] He might show the incomparable riches of his grace expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus." He's going to show us how kind He was to us, while we lived in this world, and how kind He still wants to be to us going forward. I just love that picture. There's a beautiful illustration of this kind of kindness in the life of Joseph. You remember how Joseph was so viciously dealt with by his jealous brothers. And how they were so jealous of the affections of Jacob who didn't handle his family life well, we know that, but he just showed clear favoritism and Joseph's brothers hated him, and were jealous of him, and they wanted to murder him, instead they sold him into slavery. It's just a vicious story. Do you remember how God in His providence raised Joseph up to be second in command in Egypt? And how in the course of time, Joseph's entire family, Jacob and all of his brothers came to live with them in Egypt and it's just incredible and very moving, very emotional story. But then Jacob died. The father died. And the brothers came crawling to Joseph. Basically pleading for their lives. They thought that Joseph had been waiting for Jacob to die, and now that he's dead, he's going to take vengeance on them. And Joseph wasn't like that, he was just so free from bitterness. Jacob noted that his arm stayed limber in his blessing on Joseph, he wasn't stiff, rigor mortis hadn't set in, he was limber and yielded to the purposes of God and he says, very beautifully and very famously, he says "You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good to save many lives." Forgiving Others Now that's a famous verse. The next one is the one I want to focus on, Genesis 50:21. Listen to this. "‘So then don't be afraid, I will provide for you and for your children’ And he reassured them and spoke kindly to them.” That's stunning to me. He's got the big picture theology right. And then, rubber meets the road, he provides food and clothing and shelter, and then even below that just speaks kindly to them. That's a stunning picture of the kind of supernatural kindness God wants us to have. It's not like ostrich head in the sand. "Oh, you didn't hurt me. Oh, don't think about it, it was nothing." No, sin is sin, and he felt the weight of it. You did mean it for evil but you know God had a higher purpose and I can see God's higher purpose in all of that, and he dealt with them kindly. Oh, I yearn to see that in my life, to just see other people that way. And so it says, "Be tender-hearted, look at other sinners like you are a sinner. See them in the bonds of their sin, even if they are not Christians, even if they've never even confessed the sin to you, or don't even think they did anything to you. See them the way God saw you when you were unconverted, and how you were seething with malice and at one time, you were hating and being hated. ‘But God in His kindness, showed you mercy,’ Titus 3, ‘and He saved you by the washing of regeneration and rebirth through the Holy Spirit,’ that's what God did when you were seething with hatred and wickedness, so be tender-hearted, see other sinners the way God was tender-hearted to see you in your slavery to sin, and be compassionate towards them, be tender-hearted and forgive.” And so, we come to this clear command, “forgive each other just as in Christ, God forgave you.” Here we come to the power of forgiveness. The power of forgiveness is the cross of Jesus Christ, that's the power. We're going to forgive, horizontally, other sinners the way, vertically, God forgave us in Christ. This is deep theology, this is even more significant theology than Joseph seeing the hand of God with the famine and the rhythm of bringing the Jews to Egypt. He saw some of God's overarching plan. This is bigger than that. This is the overarching plan of God to forgive sinners like you and me through the shed blood of Christ. That's how God the Father, in Christ, forgave you. He sent His only begotten son who drank the bitter cup of God's wrath, the cup He shrank back from at Gethsemane. He drank to its dregs for you. And so He completely atoned for all of your sins and so the wrath of God has been removed from you forever. And you will never taste the bitter wrath of God, ever. You're going to go to Heaven, all of your sins forgiven. That's how God forgave you. Picture the father and the prodigal son running down to embrace this repentant sinner coming home. That's how the Father forgave you. So gracious, so cheerful to welcome you back. In that same way, you must forgive. The Unmerciful Servant Jesus told a parable about this. Many of you have heard it. I'm going to go ahead and lean on it, and tell it again. You remember how Peter one day said, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" I think Peter would be the guy that would bring the apple to the teacher and hope to get an A because he brought the apple. It's like, "Alright, the rabbi say three. I'm going to double it and add one." "Up to seven times." Jesus said, "I tell you not seven times, but 70 times seven times." And then He told this parable: “There was a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. And as he began the settlements, a man who owed him 10,000 talents was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the king ordered that he and his wife and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. The servant fell on his knees before the king and said, ‘Be patient with me and I'll pay everything back,’ but the king took pity on him, or mercy on him, forgave the debt, and let him go. But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a 100 Denari, and he grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay me what you owe me!’ He said. Same thing. The servant fell on his knees before him and said, ‘Be patient with me and I'll pay back everything,’ but he refused. Instead, he went off and had that man thrown into prison until he should repay the debt. Well, the other servants heard what had happened and they went told the king, and the king called that servant back in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ In anger, his master threw him over to the jailer to be tortured until he should repay the debt.” Now, listen to what Jesus says. "That is how my Heavenly Father will treat each of you if you do not forgive your brother from the heart." Now it's an overwhelming parable. The 10,000 talents is an incalculable amount of money. But I'm a calculator, so I went and found out how much 750,000 pounds of gold would be worth today, it fluctuates day by day, but it's about $15 billion worth of gold. 15 billion. But more helpful is just realizing that that's more than the Roman empire took in in taxes in a year. So think of it as the total tax inflow to the federal government. Why did Jesus set the amount so high? I'm telling you, you, all of us, we infinitely underestimate how much we owed God because of our sins, we infinitely underestimated it. God didn't underestimate it, so He sent us an infinite atonement in Jesus. The infinite worth of His Son, His only begotten Son who shed His blood on the cross for sinners like you and me. That's what we owe. We should, we must forgive our fellow servants as God has forgiven us. We have been forgiven infinitely much. Motivation to Forgive Now, the 100 Denari, you are not well-served to think of it as pocket change, it isn't pocket change. It was about a third of a year's wages for a daily laborer. That would be about $25,000 to $30,000 today. It's a lot of money, it's a lot of money. And so, horizontally the sins we commit against each other are weighty things, but they are as nothing compared to the vertical dimension of our sin against God. And so, what I think the Lord is saying here is, it's a very negative presentation on this. There's fear involved that God won't forgive us and we should fear that. We should go more than that on the negative side, see how ugly the unforgiveness is. It was ugly to the other servants when they saw that, it was just an ugly thing. It was immoral to them that he didn't forgive. They were offended by it. And so, all on the negative side, it's ugly, horizontally, to not forgive. It's unjust, it doesn't line up with what God's done in our lives, and if we live like that, we are not Christian. We have not been justified, we don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit of God in us. That's all the negative side. Positively, do you realize how beautiful and attractive supernatural forgiveness is to a world that knows nothing of it? How many times have Christian brothers and sisters been grievously hurt and wronged, even to the point of loved ones being murdered, and the mother or the parents or the father will stand up and say, "I forgive you because God has forgiven me." It happens a lot, and it's an incredible witness, and it's very beautiful, and it's virtuous and attractive to forgive. So you may ask, "What is forgiveness? What are you talking about?" Thomas Watson Defines Forgiveness The Puritan pastor, Thomas Watson, gives us seven descriptions. I'm not going to unfold them, I’m just going to read them. Forgiveness means resisting revenge, totally giving up on revenge. Secondly, not returning evil for evil. Thirdly, wishing them well. Fourth, grieving at their calamities, not rejoicing in them, but grieving when they're hurt. Fifthly, praying for their welfare. Sixthly, seeking reconciliation horizontally, as far as it depends on you. If they'll have it, you seek it and you want it. And then seventh, coming to their aid and distress. Gospel Call That's a full, rich forgiveness that only God can work. Now, this whole chapter, this whole sermon really has been application. I don't have a lot more to say by way of application, but I want to just appeal to you who know yourself to be unconverted. You know that you're on the outside looking in, I'm telling you, I'm pleading with you to come to Christ and trust in Him. These verses have nothing to say to you because God in Christ hasn't yet forgiven you, in Christ. And so the most important thing is not for you at that moment to give forgiveness to your parents or to others who've sinned against you, that will come. It's the very thing I've been preaching about. But the first thing is you need to feel yourself a sinner under the just wrath of God, and that Jesus is delighted to save sinners like you and trust in Him. And if that happens, you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will be working deeply in you to forgive those who have sinned against you. So, come to Christ, that's the first thing. But secondly, if I can just plead with all of you who are Christians, is there someone who comes to mind that you've not forgiven? Is there some situation? Even as I'm talking right now, I don't know what you're talking about, but you know. You know what the application is for you, you know there is a man, a woman, or a group of people, or something, and you've not forgiven. And you need to. And God is calling on you in this sermon, He's calling on you as a Christian, to forgive. And you're like, "How do I do that? How do I do that?" Well, just let me give you some practical steps. Application First, as it just happened a moment ago, see the beauty, just the beauty of holiness, the beauty of virtue. And corresponding to that, the ugliness of unforgiveness. Just see those things as they really are. Look at it, just get a vision of how beautiful forgiveness is and how ugly unforgiveness is. Secondly, commit yourself to forgive no matter what you're feeling. Commit yourself, your feelings need to come. Without it, you haven't forgiven. So it's not "fake it til you make it," I want you to just make it. So I want you to feel the feelings of forgiveness, but commit yourself, "I will forgive in this relationship. I will do what it takes to forgive." Thirdly, repent of past bitterness of all the time you've spent up until point not forgiving and all the actions that came from that, there have been many. Maybe you underestimate how many moments you withheld kindness, you spoke a sharp word, you withheld love, you've grieved people around you because you wouldn't forgive, and they knew it, but you wouldn't do it. So repent, be humble. Say, "I've been wrong to hold out this long." Part of the reason we do it is pride, we want to keep the whip hand in the relationship. It's really arrogant. We want to keep that person subjugated, walking on eggshells around us, it's just wickedness. So please, forgive me Lord, repent of past bitterness. Fourthly, understand it's going to be a battle, it's going to be something you'll have to be determined to do over a long period of time because Satan's going to try to get back in through that door. And now that you've locked it and barred it, he's going to be banging on that door so you have to be determined to forgive going forward, permanently. Fifthly, trust in God's word. Go over these verses, just read them as just God's word to you. He's commanding you to do this. Read the parable in Matthew 18 I just quoted. So trust in God's word. Sixthly, be humble about how much God has forgiven you. You're to forgive as God has forgiven you. Ramp up in your own mind a sense of how much that is. I don't think you'll ever get to 10,000 talents, I don't think you'll ever think you owed God that much. We all struggle. It's like, "That's just outrageous." No, that's it. We owed an infinite debt. The more we can feel the weight of that, not to feel guilty but to feel glad, and forgiven, and then give us power to forgive, the better it is for us. So be humble. And seventh, rely on the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. He has been grieved over your bitterness and unforgiveness, that's grieved Him. Now, you be grieved too and follow Him back to the joy of just clear as light forgiveness, to follow Him. He's going to lead you to the “fruit of the Spirit, which includes love and joy and peace and patience.” He's leading you there, follow the power of the Holy Spirit. And then start acting in kindness, if you can, if there's an opportunity, act in kindness toward the person that you have not been forgiving. I don't know that you have to confess, it's not always helpful. "By the way, I've been bitter at you for the last 16 years and I wanted you to know." "Whoa! You have got to be one of the better actors I've known in my life. I never knew it." I don't think that's helpful. It's just between you and God. But if some things have happened, you'll actually need to go seek forgiveness because you have been unkind, etcetera. Whatever God leads you to do. But act in kindness according to those seven things that Watson gave us today, let's close in prayer. Prayer Father, we thank you for the things that we've learned from the Word of God. It's so powerful, so beautiful, but yet we find it so difficult sometimes to obey, though it's the very thing we need the most. Oh God, I pray that in marriages, I pray that husbands would forgive wives, and wives would forgive husbands. I pray that parents would forgive children, and children, their parents. I pray that brothers and sisters within this fellowship, First Baptist, would forgive whatever grievances they may have against one another, forgive freely and readily from the heart and not be bitter and negative people. Oh God, make this a sweet church, an oasis of Heaven, an oasis of the New Haven and New Earth, not a place where you're going to bump into some sharp and bitter people. Oh God, make this be a place where people can be set free from bitterness and know the joy of forgiveness. We pray in Jesus' name. Amen.