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What or who are the villains in your life keeping you from the things that are meant for you? This episode holds everything from overcoming those villains, changing nervousness to confidence, and the best tips for road trips. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to survive a long road trip Take a bet on yourself How to connect past dots to move forward The ebbs and flows of confidence is normal The ultimate way you achieve confidence How to change nervousness to confidenceThree steps to overcoming you villains Episode References/Links:Join the Pilates popup tour!Come to Cambodia!Find out more about Agency! Educated By Tara WestoverOvercome Your Villains by Heather Monahan  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I want to dig into the influential convo I had with Heather Monahan in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Honestly, you should listen to her. (Brad: Yeah) She is written two books. She has been talking this talk and walking this walk for a long time. And if anyone's been be it till she sees it, she's one of those examples and if you've been listening to pod for a long time, you will remember many moons ago I said, I want to have Heather Monahan on this show. Boom, I have Heather Monahan on this show. (Brad: Love it.) I'm so proud of that.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I do remember she was on the wish list.Lesley Logan  She was on the wish list.Brad Crowell  Because of a quote that she said.Lesley Logan  Yes. She said, "Don't take a no from anyone who ... isn't able to give you a yes."Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I remember we had a whole conversation about that. You were really excited when you heard that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So that hey, y'all what that means is, if someone's assistant tells you, no, they're telling you no, because I have an assistant most people know, because the person said, "I don't want to do any of these things." But that doesn't mean they don't want to ever do any of those things. They just want to make sure that like most of them don't get through. But if you find the third door, another person I want to have on the show, someone can put that person down the wish list. There's a third door and that's how you get the yes from an actual person and give you the yes, boom. Anyways, hello from Texas. We are on the road this week, officially. And we are if you're listening this like today, when this drops, we have two classes in Frisco, and we which is like just North of Dallas. It's a really cool area of Dallas at air, actually. And I've been there many times and I love it. In fact, I was just there last week, just so then we're gonna go Houston. (Brad: Tomorrow) Yep. I've actually never been to Houston. So I'm really excited about this.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I've only driven through. I've never been there to be there.Lesley Logan  Do we call them Houstonians? I don't know. Well, tell me.Brad Crowell  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with the ... I don't know on that one.Lesley Logan  I don't know about that one. But you know, I'm sure that they're Texas. They'll tell us. Then we had to Nashville. And then it's Atlanta, then Greensboro, North Carolina, and then Cleveland and then St. Louis. And then a little hang sesh with food and Denver. (Brad: Yeah.) So Denver peeps, you need to reach out and let us know if you want in on an info. Because there's no way to buy a ticket for that situation.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And we may have some spots left on this tour here. So if you wanted to come, hang and have a class, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And if there are no space, spaces left, definitely let our team know, because you never know what happens with people. (Brad: It's true.) We can like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, keep us posted. Because also too, there's a chance we may add additional classes if we get enough interest. So make sure you reach out.Lesley Logan  And well, you can also just show up. And buy flashcards if you want to buy that as a gift for yourself. (Brad: Yeah, come meet us. Come say, hi.) You could say hi to the dogs, they will be at these events, probably hanging out in the van. But we'll bring them out for people who are dog lovers. And don't forget, if you are on the waitlist for Cambodia for 2023, you have emails in your inbox. (Brad: Oh yeah.) And I know you're thinking, "Oh, I can wait till ..." Like it's fine. It's like 10 9 11 months away. So here's the deal, we actually go public with this offer. And very soon, and that means we're not holding a spot for you. We're not saving it for you. So right now the perk of being on the waitlist is that you hear about it early, and you get first dibs and it could sell out just by the waitlist. So make sure you snag your spot if that's what you're wanting to do. Especially before the price goes up. And before other people hear about it, you go to lesleylogan.co/retreat. And then one more thing that's very important we want to make sure no one misses out on this. It's like key to me. And it's something I actually preach on when we are coaching people on raising their rates. But we are raising the Agency rate on January 1st. (Brad: That's right. Yeah.) So if you've ever, ever been like, "Oh, someday I'm gonna do that." Now is the time because it will never be the price that it is right now. (Brad: That's true.) And here's the deal. We, when you join Agency, whatever rate you join in it, is the rate you get to keep (Brad: Yeah) for as long as you're an Agency member. So you'd be like think about the people been there for five years. Yeah. So don't wait till next year because think about what you could have done in this last year. If you've wondered like what Agency members have done in the past year. Let me just tell you, we've had members open new studios. We've had several open studios, by the way, actually, (Brad: Yeah) at this point in the year. I think we're at six studios this year that people have opened. (Brad: Yeah) You like, "I don't want to open a studio. I just want it for myself." Yeah, we have hundreds of people doing it, too. One of our members her her social media following has quadrupled in size, she's had like 1000s, like 10s of 1000s in one month, and her online platform has had multiple people buy. So like, whether or not you wanna work for yourself, you want to open a studio, you want to run multiple studios. We got people for you. We got Erika Quests, we got Roxy Menzies, we got Alex Street. Everyone has had a podcast here.Brad Crowell  Yeah. At the end of last year, one of our members hosted an international Pilates festival. (Lesley: Yeah) You know with so many things that have happened inside of Agency and ...Lesley Logan  Two of our, two of our pro members have teamed up to lead our mentorship together. (Brad: Yeah) They would never have met, like and trust each other in that way, if they had not had their Agency experience over these years ...Brad Crowell  People have launched teacher training programs, they've hired teachers, they've, you know, brought in new clients. There's just all the things and we want that for you. Our mission is more bodies doing Pilates. And when we empower you to grow your business, it serves what what we're trying to do as well. And we also have a lot of fun, and it takes away a lot of that anxiety.Lesley Logan  It's so fun. In Fridays, especially because it's back fuck yeah Friday. It's always wins all the time. And even people are begrudgingly doing a win because they needed a moment before. Like it's always a win. So anyways, you if you want to book a exploratory call to see if Agency is right for you, then where do they go, Brad?Brad Crowell  Just go to, DM us either, DM us on the pod or you can reach out through the Profitable Pilates website, just go to the contact page and reach out and we will happily set up a call and you'll probably talk to me.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So but again, that starts January 1st, please don't call me on January 2nd, go, "Oh gosh, can I have the old rate?" You can't actually and here's why I won't let you do that in your business. And so I can't, I have to ... operate in that integrity so that I can help you operate in your integrity. So anyways, we like to give that announcement. And that is happening in January 1st.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Before we move on that we had an audience question. They said that the question was, hey LL, you said last year that you drove 7000 miles on your tour? And obviously we're on a tour right now. How the heck do you pass all that time while you're driving? I just couldn't imagine being in the car that long myself.Lesley Logan  I think people think that like you and I are just like chit chatting like 10 hours a day. You know what I mean? I think people are thinking about like the time you're in a van with other people and like, oh my God, so long on time.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Or they're imagining Chevy Chase is, you know, like family vacations (Lesley: Yes) something like that.Lesley Logan  Yes. So because it is 2022. And it's been, you know, the 20 the 2000s for quite some time. There's lots of ways you can like we are in the van. But we're often listen to different podcasts or different books. (Brad: Yeah) We actually, probably we do the exact same thing that we do now. We have coffee together. We have meals together. But ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. I take long phone calls.Lesley Logan  I hate that so much. But he has to and I won't do them. So it's fine.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I do a lot of like, work with our team. And the phone calls keep me up, like, focused and driving and, you know, helps me stay driving on the road. And like ... (Lesley: It is true, especially at night.) You want my mind to wander.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love my mind to be able to wander like so when he's driving. He's really on calls. When I'm driving, I am listening often to books that I want to evaluate for being podcast guests, or for being part of the book club for Agency members who want to be in a book club and read business books, or just things that are I'm curious about for my own self development. So I listened to a lot of that, of course, I listened to some my favorite pod. It's also a great time to like reevaluate my pods. So because it's a long drive, what I'll do is I'll like download a bunch of podcasts. I'm thinking of being on the regular, and I'll let them I'll see if I listened to them. Or if I'm like, "No, actually, I'm not into this at all." Because it's like, it can happen in so many consecutive episodes so I can I can get a lot done. So we...Brad Crowell  I mean also too, it's not like we're I mean except for 2020 where we plowed through the drive in ...Lesley Logan  We did it in two and a half days each way.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah, it was it was insane. Like two three days to get there but two and a half days to come back. We did the whole drive from Philadelphia till Vegas in 55 hours. (Lesley: Yeah) And so it literally we just did not stop we were driving for like 14 hours a day and then we would sleep and I would drive late and then we would overlap our sleep she would get up at seven and keep driving. I mean, that was that was brutal. Not gonna lie. That one was not my ...Lesley Logan  It wasn't on a fun trip. (Brad: my preference but) We will stop it a lot of like, we'll go oh, "What's that thing?" And what like pullover ...Brad Crowell  Yeah we try to include some spontaneity. We also schedule in like, "Hey dinner with friends we only get to see once a year." Or lunch or stop at a dog park, we try to take the dogs to the dog parks literally every day. (Lesley: Yeah) Just drive around in different dog parks.Lesley Logan  Well, especially because they're like they're literally in the car not doing very much at all. (Brad: Yeah) And so we take and we try to find a dog park and then you'll toss a ball for them and then I'll try to get August to chase me it's not he does not exercise. (Brad: Not so much.) But I'll work out in the dog park so like I'm the one with the kettlebell swings, if you see someone doing a workout in a dog park, Hi, it's me. Somewhere between here and Philly all the way back. But I think like it is correct, I think a lot of people think we're just doing like a natural and put things and we're just like sitting like looking out the window longingly. Like when does Colorado ever end? And is this Kansas? Or is this Colorado? Like, no, we, we there's we're there's still things that we're doing and we're quite creative people. (Brad: Yeah.) So our minds are always producing stuff.Brad Crowell  I love finding like fun little coffee shops and restaurants. So we spend time trying to find new new places to explore.Lesley Logan  So here here's so if you listen to the Rolf Potts episode, you heard how I talked about when we traveled we'll looks like gluten free options. (Brad: Sure.) When we're on the road, searching for oat milk, or gleif gluten free options will absolutely 1,000% help you find a locally owned business. (Brad: Yeah.) Even in these weird places were like, "No way LL did you find that there?" Yeah, I did. We found we found ... (Brad: ... we are in Texas.) No, we found that vegan place in South Carolina. Remember, we were in South Carolina. We were in guests with South Carolina. Remember we're like went to that ... (Brad: Oh yes.) It was, I don't know the name of the town but like I'm not ... I'm not ... and Brad so we're gonna have lunch there. I was like, "No, no way."Brad Crowell  Yeah, it was near outside the ... state park.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we have an incredible and I was like ... (Brad: We found a food truck one time.) A vegan food truck (Brad: Yeah) that was so unbelievable, I was actually sad how far away it was because I would have ordered again. And I was like, "Dude, more food truck somewhere else?" No, they didn't. But so use your like, unique thing you're interested in to find fun things to do a long road trips. We also love to shop at vintage stores.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's fun, too. (Lesley: And) we try to go like, I think some of the craziest vintage stores we've been at or you know, like thrift shop slash vintage shops where in Texas. (Lesley: Oh yeah.) Like crazy stuff. You know like, "Wow, like how long has it been since anyone has picked this up and dusted it off?" Like ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's some funny things there. I also got like, shout out to downtown Tucson. (Brad: Yeah that's fun.) You have some cool ass shit. I've really loved it.Brad Crowell  There's like, there's no... there's like one street of cute funky like local (Lesley: Yeah) and all the things ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's (Brad: shops. Yeah.) Anyways, we are not, don't cry for us.Brad Crowell  Oh another thing we love to do is national parks.Lesley Logan  We do love a national park. (Brad: Yeah) We really really do.Brad Crowell  This trip we, well, we've already driven through Saguaro National Park in Arizona.Lesley Logan  We did that. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. We don't know which parks we're doing this trip. But I will say so just to go back to your to your question. Thank you for asking it. Trips don't have to be like about the destination. It is that cliche. It's the journey. It really is a journey. Like (Brad: Yeah, has to be.) I remember ...Brad Crowell  7000 miles is a lot of miles.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I I remember more about like, the things we do along the way, then oftentimes the thing we do when we get there best because we're wherever we're going. It's often like if we do the same thing every year sounds like that. But like I really do find it fun to find random coffee shops. And then sometimes we go the same route. So we're like, (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) "Oh, there's that place we can go." (Brad: Oh there's the shop we run at last time.) Yeah, that was so great and so it's it's so fun to do. But don't be afraid to like branch out, get off the beaten path. And then and then it is then when I do let my mind wander. It's not like I've been looking at this field for seven hours are still here, (Brad: Kansas) like fuck (Brad: Nebraska) But I've listened to some amazing books on tape. I mean, like just some really epic ones. If you're wondering what are some great roadtrip books to listen to Educated if you haven't yet listened to that and by Tara Westover. (Brad: Yeah) Amazing. I started with Brad trying to take a nap. And then I had to rewind so he could take it and then we literally wanted to finish the book. And so we were with your family like, oh, they come in in the car with us. We're taking our own car. We're taking our own car. Turn it on. So that one is so uniquely interesting.Brad Crowell  We also do like introspection, like reflection on the year, every drive, every drive and we we talk about like, what can we you know do to better serve our members that are an OPC and an Agency.Lesley Logan  We talked about a lot of ideas, we get rid a lot of ideas. (Brad: Yeah) We debate about ideas. Like, you'd be surprised how fast the day goes, even though you're just like sitting around like it really does go fast. So anyways, if you need roadtrip books, I'm ha... reached out to the @be_it_pod. We'll put it in another solo episode, but ...Brad Crowell  And go listen to Rolf Potts (Lesley: Yes) episode, which was actually very recently it was (Lesley: very recently at the time ...) episode 151.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. So go listen to that. And then, you know, if you are driving to your destination, try not to like drive. "Uhh i have to drive." What can be fun about the drive? And try to find something like, I remember one of the drives we're gonna do, we're gonna stop at a crystal place, like a ground where you could like dig up your own crystals. (Brad: Oh yeah) You know what I mean? Like, or, like find something fun along the way. I don't care if it's like the biggest haystack or the biggest corn maze I would never do that. But like nothing would give me more anxiety than being in one of those. But um, but try to like find something unique along the way, the internet is amazing y'all you can literally put in like things that no one would think to do in X place and they'll somebody from like eatery or you know, whatever, weird, whatever we are ...(Brad: the greatest) the greatest. I mean, like I Googled today, like, best Thanksgiving dinners in Las Vegas, and like I got 17 restaurants to choose from. So like, believe it or not, someone's probably curated something for you to do just look it up.Brad Crowell  Love it. Okay, now let's talk about Heather Monahan. When her retiring boss's daughter fired her. Heather Monahan began to bet on herself. In the past five years, she has become a best selling author, two times over. The podcast host of Creating Confidence, and was awarded the top 50 keynote speaker of 2022. (Lesley: That's huge.) Yeah, that's pretty crazy. And in 2020, she was top 40 keynote speaker. She does all of this while being an incredible single mom, to her son, and working to empower individuals to use their strengths to achieve success.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I I really, I really enjoy like what she's doing in this world. And I think it's, it's necessary and how cool that she had this career her whole life. And that's one area that she was a top dog in that, like she really was. And then because she was fired, and she couldn't just like, go get the same job somewhere else because of like, whatever those those clauses are, she had to bet on herself. And it allowed her to (Brad: Yeah) like completely switch (Brad: She is a non compete.) Yes, thank you. That's the exact word for it. She was able to like, just try out something completely different and new. And now she's a tough speaker. She's traveling the world. She was on the Dr. Phil show. You know what I mean? Like ... like, come on. So y'all literally like, if you know someone in your life who has been fired, and you probably like, "Oh my God, I can't let that happen that." Like we hear about our parents all the time all the time, like, "Oh, so one so got fired, so and so got laid off." I feel so bad for them. It's the what if it's the best fucking thing that ever happened for their life? (Brad: Yeah) What if it is? It probably is, I mean, we can go back to the last episode, last recap. Your divorce, ... clearly was the best thing that ever happened to you. You wouldn't met me, you would never marry me if you hadn't been through that. So like, I think we all have to, like, take a moment on and when we see someone having a worst experience, like, obviously see them and feel that but then also be there to like, remind them that they're gonna like, they can bet on themselves, just like she did. So one of the things that she I'm going to pre phrase what she said, atually. She said, you don't have to know the entire plan before trying something new. Yeah, that's right. Just keep moving forward with the faith that you'll figure it out because you don't know what you don't know. (Brad: Yeah) And ultimately, you can't connect the dots until you're looking back. So you have to keep moving forward. You know, y'allBrad Crowell  Yeah. So I think I think that the idea of you don't know what you don't know. You know, and then that really the it's the reflection on the past that allows you to decide like, you know, you can start to say, "Oh, I'm glad I did this. I'm glad I did that. I'm glad this." You won't know that until you do it.Lesley Logan  Well and correct. And you try it out and also like you might not realize what'd you do know? Like you don't know what you don't know. It doesn't have to be like it's not a bad thing. Like, you might not realize you have this like skill or talent like the other day when I like pick up the chopsticks my right hand. I was actually really amazing at it. I didn't know that. (Brad: You did?) Yeah, you were there.Brad Crowell  Oh, I didn't realize it was your right hand.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I was like ... look at me pick up this carpaccio with these with my right hand. I'm lucky to y'all. And I actually like treat chopsticks like, like a fork. So anyways, I think that that whole section that was just talking about is like such a key, a key thing to remind yourself and you haven't seen the episode yet, save it, you can go back to that. Because on your worst day can feel like this is the worst that ever happened to me, it truly can't be the best if you just keep taking the next step forward. And, and trusting that it's okay if you don't know the entire plan. Like when we're coaching people in Agency, like I keep feeling like I take two steps forward. And then one step back. And I'm like, yeah, what if it was to review the dots, so you can take the next few steps forward in the right direction?Brad Crowell  Yeah. I think there was another section a part of this year, though, that I thought was interesting was, you know, to move forward with the faith, that you're going to be serving yourself well. Because you will figure it out as you go along. You know, but the idea that you clearly don't know the future, you know, and unless someone has predetermined the path for you, and like shared your career plan, sometimes that might happen, but usually not. You know, what, as you move forward, if you know where you want to get to, along the way, you don't know how will happen to get there. But you know, you kind of have this big future vision down the road. And when you move forward, it's with the intention of getting to that end game, you know, just the bet... in between, you don't really you don't have any idea what's going to happen. SoLesley Logan  Yeah. And that's okay. (Brad: Yeah) It's, it's actually kind of fun, it's going back to our road trip, like, we know, we're gonna get to Philly. We know we have stops along the way. We don't know which stores we might stop at, or what people we might run into or like, what could happen. And that's what makes it the most fun. That's why we keep doing it. (Brad: Yeah) What did you love?Brad Crowell  I really loved when she talked about confidence and that it ebbs and flows. And I thought that was interesting, because, you know, obviously, her podcast is about confidence, her first book is about confidence. And you just associate confidence with certain people. And you never imagined that there, you just think, "Oh, that person is confident." So they're clearly always confident 100% of the time. And she said, "No, that's not that's not how it works." you know. For her specifically, she said she felt super confident in her work in her career, she had spent 20 years climbing, you know, the corporate ladder in the world of radio doing sales. And but she said she didn't feel so confident in her relationships. You know, that afterwards, she could, you know, quit and land on her feet. So there was like, a lot of uncertainty there. And she said, there's not nobody is confident in all situations, there's always self doubt, that self doubt is actually part of the growth process.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think I think it's just being aware of where you feel less confident in your life is more important than were like going, "I'm not confidnent in that." It's like, just the going like thinking about Lena Franklin. Awareness is actually part of enlightenment. And so if you can understand like, "Oh, I'm super confident at work. I'm not confident at relationships." Okay. So you're less confident in relationships. And that means that there's room for growth. You know, what I mean? I feel I feel like it's really easy for us to put a label on ourselves especially around confidence and then therefore we're just not confident there. So we don't work on that there but it's like if you can have that awareness and be okay with your confidence ebbing and flowing, a) you'll be a real human being, people actually like you just like people like Heather she is like the queen of these things. And she's an all this stuff and like she's a likable person. You know, people want to be friends with her, people want to have her around on the things, because she actually is a real human being who is okay with her confidence ebbing and flowing. And understand that some areas she feels stronger than others. And then you ...Brad Crowell  Lena's episode was 77, by the way.Lesley Logan  77. Oh, what it like that's like a good number for her. Like so anyway, I really enjoyed both of our whole conversation. I thought there's a lot that we can take away from it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. And I think that, you know, in in my my personal experience, you know, having been on stage. Confidence was something that was built. (Lesley: I think confident) And definitely I wasn't confident the first time I got on stage.Lesley Logan  And so then what you got on stage again? (Brad: Yeah) You got on stage again? (Brad: Yeah) And like we ...Brad Crowell  Because I saw myself being a performer. I was like, "I am that person." And in order for me to get to that place where I am that person, I gotta practice, I gotta do it.Lesley Logan  Right. If you are a person who is onstage performing, then you have to get on stages and perform. (Brad: Yeah) Like, like, we were just listening on the other day. (Brad: I was just thinking about this.) So we're listening to Chelsea Handler, (Brad: Yeah) and she gives advice. We also listen to Iliza Shlesinger and just in case you're listening because I want you on the show. Hi, I love I love I love listening to the questions I get. I love the ... I really resonate with a lot of their answers. But there was a woman, a person who wanted to become a comedian. (Brad: Yes) And in ...Brad Crowell  ... she already was a comedian. (Lesley: She already a comedian.) But she had an upcoming gig and she was worried about she was opening for someone and she was like, "How do I gain confidence in this?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, because where they live, there's like one Comedy Club and like, "I've got two weeks to get my confidence up." (Brad: Right.) And Chelsea was like, okay, well, normally, I'd say like, go get on every stage, you can. But there's one stage to be on, and you're about to be on it. So you need to go to the grocery store and the park and just do your set in front of people. It's like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. She said, "Do it, do, do your set in front of your parents."Lesley Logan  Do you ... Yeah. Do you set likeBrad Crowell  And she said, "Well, I don't think they'll appreciate my humor." And the response was perfect. All the more reason you should do it in front of your parents.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. Cuz that will create confidence, because you'll have done in front of people who don't appreciate it and like, so the reality is, is that confidence comes from putting yourself in a situation where you feel less confident. And then following through with the thing that you said you were going to do. (Brad: Yeah) End of story if (Brad: Yeah) you don't feel like you're a runner, you have to go, you have to say, "I'm gonna go for a run for one block." And then you run one block. And guess what, you just dropped money in your confidence bucket of running, and I'm a runner. And so yeah, you didn't run your marathon. But we're not working to that confidence, yet. We're just actually trying to show up for the thing we said we're gonna do and do the thing.Brad Crowell  And even even with this ebbing and flowing that she was talking about, nobody's confident in all situations. I had been on stage for 10 years, when I got invited to a birthday party of a dear friend of mine, and I decided to write a song and perform it on stage, but solo. (Lesley: Oh) And my whole career had been with the band. And in the band, I wasn't singing. I mean, I was singing, but it wasn't the lead person. I was like, second, and that was, you know, that was fine. I, but I had been on stage like, put me on stage with a group of people anytime. And I'm like, "I'm in. It's totally okay." But put me on stage alone. And I was like, whoa. And I was like, really feeling that one. I was not confident.Lesley Logan  You know what, that's so funny. Because remember when we were at Momentum Fest, and it was a first year of Momentum Fest, and I had like 80 plus people in this room. And it was pre pandemic. So it was like, had a break from teaching and all. And there's like my peers in the front row. And there's people like who hire me for things in the front row. And then there's all these people who were so excited to be in that room. And you were miking me up and I was like, "Is this thing on?" You're like, "No." And I said, "I'm really, like, I'm really nervous." (Brad: Yeah) And he's like you said, "Why? What is, this is what you do all the time." And it's so funny. I think sometimes we forget that we we put a lot of pressure on ourselves, which then makes us doubt ourselves, even in situations where we would normally be confident. And (Brad: Sure) so I think if you're finding your competence ebbing and flowing in areas where you normally are confident, it's just time to take a look back and it probably means you really care about that particular moment. (Brad: Right) And then look back at the wins you've had in other moments like it and you can draw on that confidence.Brad Crowell  It goes back to your favorite takeaway, where ultimately you can't connect the dots until you're looking back.Lesley Logan  I know I just connected a bunch.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I love it. All right, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Heather Monahan?Lesley Logan  Well, she had a three step process and it's from her recent book, so you all go get Overcome Your Villains. Especially if you like, feel like you have a villain in your life. You gotta you gotta read this book. And it's called B A K.Brad Crowell  Yeah, she called it BAK.Lesley Logan  Yeah, BAK. So it is. Number one, what is your belief? Oh, did we talk about beliefs last week. We did. Sorry, you don't get to get over this. What is your belief? Number two, immediately take action. So for example, when she was fired, she immediately posted on social media," I've just been fired."Brad Crowell  Yeah. And then let's do all three. So what is your belief, immediately take action and then what is the knowledge you surround yourself with is number three.Lesley Logan  Okay. (Brad: Yeah) So you got all three everyone, what is your belief? Immediately take action. And then what is your knowledge? So belief, action, knowledge. Okay, so she had been fired. And and so going, "Oh I've been fired. Nobody likes me. What am I gonna do?" She actually was like, "Hey, everyone, if I've ever helped you in any way, I need to hear from you now."Brad Crowell  She posted that on social media, "Hi, I've been fired," period. Wow, that takes guts, right. Like that talk about confidence right there. And like just taking action. Because if I've ever helped you in any way, I need to hear from you now, when she when she posted that someone that she had helped, reached out to her and invited her to go on the Elvis Duran show. And that changed her life.Lesley Logan  Change her life. And also like, can we just go back to betting on yourself? So be it till you see it like she bet on herself. She didn't know what's going to happen. But she acted as if like, I'm gonna bet on myself. And if I bet on myself, I'm gonna put this thing out there that I'm only going to get great things. And something good is going to come from this, like, you know what I mean? Like, I love that. So then and then what knowledge can you surround yourself with? So don't just consume information from randos. We've talked about this before y'all on the podcast. Don't ask your your Uncle Joe, information, like advice around something that they're not knowledgeable in. (Brad: Right) And, and I've even mentioned this on one of the podcasts like, make sure you're really clear on whose opinions of you matter. Because in our family, we love them so much. And many of them listening to this, hi guys. But some people like it's not that I don't care about what they have to say about me, but they don't actually understand what we do want on a day to day basis. And so some of the things that they say, come from fear and worry (Brad: Yeah) around us. It's not, it's not that they don't actually want us to succeed. It's not about holding us back, but they're worried for us. So then they share that fear. And then (Brad: Right and that) it's knowledge I didn't need right now. You know.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I think also it's like, you know, you, you know, why would you ask a golfer about to running on a track? You know, why would you ask someone who's had a, you know, job for their whole career about being an entrepreneur, like, you know, it's, it seems obvious when you say it that way, like you're like, well, duh, wouldn't, they're not a professional swimmer. And I'm trying to be in the Olympics.Lesley Logan  But you do it all the time. (Brad: But we do it all the time.) You have that friend that you've kept too long. You kept them way too long. Ladies, we keep our friends too long. I don't understand that. And then they say something. And then if you really took a step back, you go, "I know they always say mean things to me." Then why are you like actually using their opinion to weigh in on the things that you're doing? I'm asking, it's not a rhetorical question. You need to answer out loud. I can't hear you. But you can hear you. Because it all has an impact on your life.Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally does. So anyway, the three step BAK process, beliefs, action, and knowledge. What is your belief, take immediate action and then three was the knowledge that you surround yourself with. I thought those made a whole lot of sense.Lesley Logan  Oh, easily, easily actionable (Brad: Yeah) actions. You know how I love that. So you guys get her books. (Brad: Yeah, check those out.) And listen to her podcast.Brad Crowell  And thanks for joining us today.Lesley Logan  Yeah, really. We are so happy that you're here. (Brad: Yeah) And thank you all. Y'all know, we have some of the most reviews of any podcasts in our age, (Brad: Yeah) not our age, like personally, but the age of the podcast. Like it's insane. So we couldn't have done that without you ...Brad Crowell  No ... You know, we need each and every one of you. Thank you.Lesley Logan  And thank you for sharing this with your friends. I know sometimes we were like, I actually heard you say, tag a friend. How do I do that? That's a great question. So if you don't know how to tag a friend and you want to know how to tag a friend, will you DM me on the platform you're trying to tag a friend? What does that mean? It means like, letting that person know that this is for them. (Brad: DM means direct message.) And DM means direct message. So if you will find the Be It pod on the platform, you like to use that's Facebook (Brad: Oh, actually we ...) TikTok or Instagram.Brad Crowell  We set up an email, you can email us now (Lesley: Oh) at beit@bloompods.netLesley Logan  Check that out, (Brad: Yeah) beit@bloompods.net. So so tell us which platform you are wanting to share or tag a friend. And also tell us which platform you listen to your podcasts on. Is it YouTube? Is it Spotify? Is it Amazon, but Amazon, yeah you can listen to Amazon. Is it Apple? Is it Google Play? Is it 17 other options out there? There's so many we're on every single thing. But if you do that we have someone who will help you, literally tell you how to do it. 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Jessica Valant graduated from Regis University in Denver with her Master's Degree in Physical Therapy in 2000. She received her Pilates training in 2001 through Polestar Pilates and is a Nationally Certified Pilates Teacher and PMA approved continuing education provider.She has worked with thousands of clients of different backgrounds, ages, injuries and abilities, to help them reach their ultimate health goals.Jessica is recognized as a leader in the Pilates industry. She has a successful YouTube channel, membership site and blog. She has been named a top 10 finalist in the 2015 Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Contest and a Creator on the Rise by YouTube and has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine (including as a cover model in 2020), Shape, Buzzfeed, Yoga Journal and Thrillest. She teaches popular workshops and courses to other health care professionals and Pilates instructors and is considered an expert in the women's health arena.Jessica and her husband, Brian, founded Momentum Fest, a three day Pilates and movement festival, in 2017 in order to create an inclusive, loving and fun place for all people to celebrate movement together.She is married to her best friend and their days are spent in Denver wrangling two young kids, being in the sun, living their passion through work and drinking coffee.Topics:•Women's Health•Physical Therapy and Pilates•New Thoughts on Movement•Endometriosis •Symptoms of uterine prolapse•Urogynocologists•HystorectomyFind Jessica at:Website: www.jessicavalantpilates.comIG: @jessicavalantpilatesMeet your hosts:Sue McCarroll is the founder of Opal Wellness Studio and Caitlin Hatzenbuhler is the founder of Conscious Core. Caitlin and Sue have their unique styles of coaching women to increase self-care, self-compassion, navigate busy mom life and nourish their bodies mentally, emotionally, and physically. You can learn more about Sue at https://www.instagram.com/opal_wellness_studio/and Caitlin at https://www.instagram.com/conscious_core_caitlinThank you for listening! Please take a moment to subscribe and review.This supports the Well2You Podcast in reaching more people who need to be connected to these impactful conversations.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/well2you-podcast/id1547156150?i=1000504170074 https://open.spotify.com/show/7AE1vZFmBoxPvYfn5Abr1T?si=RjrXrOWoToKvZ5bmCcJSgw https://www.well2you.org/well2you-podcast 

For some fall is a refresh but for others, the change can feel overwhelming. Wherever you land on the spectrum, Lesley is sharing her best things that are supporting her in “Being It” until she sees it and the routines that are changing the way that she shows up every day. Maybe there is something to add to your fall routine to run into winter confidently. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Fall catch up with Lesley.The importance of prioritizing yourself.The top books to read for fall 2022.Things and products Lesley is loving.The value in acting "as if" before you are ready. Episode References/Links:Podcast survey!E-squared Pam GoutThe Game of LIfe and How to play it - Florence Scovel ShinnBurnout by Emily and Amelia NagoskiThe SourceSauna Space, Red light therapyHigher Dose, PEMF matContrology Wunda ChairNaboso hand weights  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Hey loves, how's it going? It's just me today. It's just me today. So hopefully that's exciting for you. We did solo episodes a little bit earlier in the summer, and we got some great feedback from you guys. So we'll be tossing these in. And every once well, especially when it applies to what kind of timely right now, and that is that this is the, that those last few months of the year and they can feel very, they can feel a little worrying, right? Like it starts to get really busy. I know for me, it's very busy. So at the time I'm recording this, we are getting ready for Agency Mini, by the time you share this, we probably have already finished it. But I'm also before that going to Nashville, coming back doing Mini and going to Chicago, coming back doing something else then going to Cambodia. Oh, I forgot there's new people at my house in between all of that for our business retreat. And then and then it's Thanksgiving, and all of a sudden it's Thanksgiving. And so this is a time of the year that can feel really overwhelming. There's a couple things I want to actually remind you of. You get to do this, like you get to do this. And I really, if you are struggling, if you're feeling overwhelmed, I really want you to reframe a little bit and just go, "I get to do this." Now if you don't want to do what you're doing, that is something to write down. So something I think is really cool about how we feel about things is that they are there, there are signs that you don't want to be doing the thing, or you don't be doing the thing with that person or that time. And you the more you pay attention to these things, the more you make notes, the more you can make conscious decisions. So for example, I actually love to travel, I love to go to Cambodia, there are so many things I love to do about it. So I am this busy season, not at no point am I going, oh my God, I have to do all this stuff, I get to do all this stuff. And I actually plan for all these things to happen when they're happening because this is kind of the time of the year that I really like to do all that. I like to pack it in, I like to make sure that we see all the faces of the people that we love. I really do like to do all of those things. Now, in the summertime, when I like want to be in chill vibes, I am not planning those things. I'm not doing them. In fact, when we did do them this summer, just like as a trial, my body was like, "Why are you doing this? It's summertime, it's summer vibes." So what is cool about journaling, or even just documenting or taking note somewhere about how you feel in your body, about different things as they can give you signs, about what to say yes to and no to in the future. And so there have been people who have been requesting a retreat for us to do in the summertime and we're not doing that. Now, there are a couple reasons I can say I don't do that. And they're very valid, that the weather in Cambodia is not exactly, exactly ideal for doing a retreat. Not only is it hot, but there's monsoons and we can't control them. And it's crazy rain, and I don't want people to fly all the way out there. And then we can't see the temples because the rain is insane. Right. So those are some reasons. And the other big reasons I don't want to. I don't want to I want to use my summers to reflect on the meaning of the year to plan for the fall of the year, to make sure we're all set up to rest, relax, to visit with friends as they come into town. So and those are all things I learned over the last couple of years of testing things. So it's okay that you didn't know about the things that you said yes to that you didn't maybe like the time that they were, the location that they were until you did them. That's okay. You don't have to be a psychic. Most of us are not. And in fact, some people who are aren't. So, so I think it's just really important to be kind to yourself, and acknowledge when things feel really good. Okay, what about that feels really good? What is it that people that you're with? Is the time that it was? Is it how it was planned out? What about that feels really good so that you can a) use those as green lights and green signals to say yes to in the future? What about it, didn't you like so you can use those red flags? And so every time I get asked to speak every time we plan a thing we could to look back at, like what didn't work before, what we liked about it, what people liked about it and then make decisions going on, which is why perfect is boring, which is why that waiting until something's perfect is the wrong thing to do. I wouldn't know 90% of this information until I had gone in there, done a retreat in August, done different things at different times of the year. That said yes to programs that were unorganized, disorganized, you know, that kind of thing. So I wouldn't know that, I wouldn't know what is actually important to me about organization and what isn't had I not experienced it and then felt it in my body. And so all of this is to say if you had a summer or for my southern hemisphere people had a winter where there was things that you loved and things that you didn't love, pay attention to what those things are and then use those things for moving forward. Okay.So that is kind of kind of how I kind of kind of it is exactly how I try to say yes or no to things and plan things on our calendar. And it's just really important to me. The other way is just really listening to you guys. So those of you who fill out the surveys at beitpod.com/tellme. Thank you, those are really great, when you interact with us in any of our other programs, Agency, OPC, we do a lot of surveys, we love surveys. They really help us figure out how we can be better at things, what things actually matter to you, you can be really easy ladies too. And I say ladies, I know there's a few good men listening, hello. But there's it can be really easy to think we need to add more, do more, give more. And truthfully, sometimes that can be overwhelming. Or they can be really overwhelming for some people. We'd ask them their server like, "Would you like more episodes?" And some people said, "Yes." And other people said, "It's enough." And I'm like, "Great. I'm not going to do dailies, if you don't want that." Now, if you all want that, then let me know. But we truly don't I don't want to overwhelm you without your request. And also your acknowledgement that that's what you want, right? So this is really great. Whether you're in business or not. And maybe you're like Lesely I'm not in business. You can survey with the people around you. You can you can ask questions, you can get feedback from people about yourself, you can even say, "Hey, you know, I'm actually trying to figure out what I want to do for the end of the year. Can you think of a time this summer where you notice that I was a little bit more frantic, frenetic, exhausted? And can you remember time this summer that I was excited, jubilated and joyful feeling at ease?" People around you spend time with you will know, they'll know. They'll remember. And that can be really helpful. Okay, so I say all this because in the last solo episode, I told you, I was being it till I see it. And right now, and I really have been working on that. And I noticed that there's an old story, I'll have to tell myself, which is that I'm too busy. Maybe you know that one, maybe you know that story. And sometimes I, in order to feel like I am in control of things that are uncontrollable, I will do more. So then they're not easy. And, and I'm getting stressed out and, and so that doesn't work. So I've been really working on some mantras and daily meditations, I've actually changed my morning routine a ton, and I'm still tweaking it as we speak. And for someone who loves routine that can be overwhelming, and also can be really exciting. It's really all how you reframe it. So one of the things that I am trying to do is a) work on my sleep. I've actually always had struggle with sleep situations, and stress. So I am someone who just because the childhood that I had I and it wasn't bad. Honestly, it wasn't bad. It just that I, as an oldest child of little kids and we're all born around the same time. I definitely took on a lot of stress around me and tried to fix a lot of things and do over the doer. I'm a doer. And I pride of myself on that actually I'm an, it's one of my strengths, I'm really good at. But a strength can be a weakness if you don't know when to use it and when not to use it. Right. So in these last couple of months, I've been really looking at my morning routine and seeing where parts of it can be switched into the afternoon because I do work from home. And what I could add to my morning that would allow me to set myself up to be in the most abundant receiving ease, ease full mode, strength base mode, just totally in tune like I really want the mornings to feel less like, Oh my God, I have all these things to do." And more like, "Okay, I get to do these things," kind of like how I started this episode. And that's something I share with you because something that I have always struggled with like I'm a very positive person like bright side up kind of person, but equally can get a little down about things especially when things are out of my control.So then I start to do more and then when does it happen is I'm not in receiving mode, I'm not actually noticing opportunities around me and I'm too busy to be the person I want to be for those I love. So that is not prioritization of self, that is not putting myself first, that is not taking messy action, that is trying to be perfect in some other way. And so the last couple of months I've really been doing that and I started off with adding in my red light therapy to that routine. I also stopped doing my morning Instagram talks, you guys it's not because I don't love doing them. I just was like I really want to take in the surroundings more, I really want to be at ease more. I don't actually want to have to work right now. Right. So that doesn't mean I won't do them anymore. It just means I need to do them later in my morning and I'm working on putting them back in. So as I be it till I see it, what I am doing is catching myself when I say I'm too busy and doing what I would think a non busy person who is confident and positive and abundant and supportive of their business and their team and their dreams would do? So that's the whole premise of the Be It Till You See It Podcast acting as if before you're ready, right? So if I look at, if I think what a woman who runs a massive company, who takes care of herself, what does she do? How is her morning routine? What is that setup? So I did a lot of research on things you can do to make your body sleep better. As I mentioned, I'm working on my sleep. So your sleep for the night starts in the morning before and we can thank Huberman for his podcasts on that. But and there's a bunch of other studies on that. But really, truly, like, I do already wake up pretty early. So I do get the morning light of the day. And so I was like, "Okay, well, that's helping my sleep out. So what else can help my sleep out?" So I've been working on doing those things. So I've been changing my morning routine up to rabbit symbol, what I imagine a woman who runs a company, who prioritize prioritize their self first but do the morning. And that required some changes in my morning because I was really pushing a lot of things into my morning routine, and feeling the sense of urgency that they had to get done, and they weren't of ease. And of course, that's what we're trying to be until we see is that easefulness on this and running this business. And so I have in the last few weeks shifted that morning routine to my workout. Some of them happen a little later. Sometimes they happen in the same time. So every day is actually now different, which is weird for me. But I'm finding a lot of fun in that and flow in that and a little bit of like rebelliousness that I don't always let myself have in that. So that's super cool. I will when we get to my favorite things list off a lot of the things that I'm doing in the morning that you can borrow, we've got affiliate links or links below that you can enjoy. So as I be it till I see it in that what it is challenging me on is watching my responses to things because no longer do the old responses, the quick responses apply, I actually need to take a step back. And so when I say, "Oh, I don't have time." I actually go right now. When does that need to be done and then I look and see when I can get it done. And it's kind of amazing. I used to also think I didn't have time to meditate every day. Wrong. I have since figured out that I can. So watching the stories I tell myself that are keeping me from being it till I see it is something that I am in constant practice with. And I wonder if I always will be. I don't know, jury's out, I'll keep you posted. So hopefully that is helpful for you just like seeing like, not perfect. We're still working on it. Every day is kind of a challenge based on like the old way of thinking and the stories I told myself that made me feel safe and made me feel secure, that made me you know, not go off and do some crazy things. And now those things are actually holding me back and the growth of what I'm trying to do. And like I am on a mission, more bodies doing Pilates, and I cannot do that if I don't think I have time. Because I need to be able to create time so I can tell you how to create time. Right.So okay, now, some of you always ask us, like, what are some books I'm reading right now. And I am going to let you know, since I talked to Coach Lee, I have been doing my E-Squared book, I'm not doing it as quickly as I did the first time, I'm kind of stopping at different chapters and waiting until I want to do the experiment before I go on to the next chapter. So I it's actually going really cool and it's actually a really good reminder. There are some things that she wrote in there that I want to just like paint on my walls. So E-Squared by Pam Grout, she's still on the list to get on the pod. So if you know her hook a sister up. Okay, um, then I was I had some girls out, you may remember Brad and I the time I had some girls come to visit that I kind of met through friends of friends. And we all like, "Let's do a friend's weekend." And I highly recommend you do that. I know that can sound really scary. And really, it can be even expensive sounding. The truth is you can you can make it whatever it needs to be. But shared experience is really do make a difference in how you feel and who you surround yourself with makes a difference. We have had multiple multiple guests come on, and we have another guest coming up who is going to tell you that it really does make a difference who you invite into your energy, who you invite into your circle and how much time you spend around them. And so it might require some boundaries. So on that girls weekend, they ment... mentioned, Florin Sho... Scholar Shine. Hold on, let's just pull up her book because I just finished it. It's actually really old. Okay, so I listened to it on Audible and I'm going to be super, oh Florence Scovel Shinn, there it is. So, my autocorrect, I got that weird. So I got the complete works on Audible. I don't even think it charged me a credit. And somebody reads it. The words that she uses, like Victrola. And I just imagine people walking around like the old old New York of like, the 1890s As I'm reading it, but the stuff still makes sense. And it does mention God a lot. So you can insert your own word for that there. And she does and occasional spots but I listened to it on a dog walk because I was like, I just need to be around as much positivity as I can. And the first book I will say is the best one of all of them. A great reminder of being very like actually knowing what you need more of, and, and asking for that. And then being aware of that we've talked about that with Dr. Philippe Douyon, where it's like your eyes and ears are seeing what your brain is looking for. So if you're very co... conscious of what it is that you're looking for, you will then look for evidence for that. And there was some really cool stories in that first book. So I really recommend it. The rest of them it was it was good. I think the first one is a good good place to stop. I have Burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagos... Nagoski, on my Audible that I'm going to next. It's actually part of the book club that we have for Agency. And I'm really excited about I heard them on Brené Brown, and I've had it on my list for a long time. It is a long book. So it's just been working my way to it. And then I just bought the source that we talked about in Stef Caldwell's episode, there's actually a couple books called The Source. So if you actually look back at Stef's episode, we'll put the link in the show notes. There's a specific the source that we want. But again, it just goes into this. There's science around manifestation. And when you can't just do all the things like we... it is we're telling ourselves a lie if we think that we can control all the parts are going to make anything happen. There are a lot of things, there's always a lot of things going on. In fact, like there's stuff in your personal life that's going on, great and not so great. There's stuff in your professional life that's going on, great and not so great. There's stuff in your health that's going on, great and not so great. Right? It is like a disservice and illusion if you think you can actually control all of those things you can't. So you can do what you can do. And then the next thing you have to do is like think like Hazel Ortega have some miracle goals around it be really specific, and then start looking for evidence for it to be true. So I'm like big on those books, I really think that they're gonna help me as I close up this year. As I plan for what we're gonna do in 2023, it has been an interesting 2022 and just doing a lot of things, testing things, changing things. And so I am trying to spend a lot of time on what do I really want? What are we doing all this for? How do we want to be when we're doing that? That's what I'm working on. So as with those books are going to you'll see there's a theme there. As always, you know, you can ask us any questions, you can DM the pod on Instagram and ask us any questions that you have around business, health, personal goals, and Brad and I will answer them on the recaps. And we want your question. So please do DM us. Okay, now, two of my favorite things. Okay, so I Brad calls me a total consumer. It's true. I am, I I really am and I have a lot of fun trying out new things. I do, I don't do a ton of research but I will oftentimes, like want something, look it up. I say yes to all the cookies, because I'm like, yes, track me down, ratio this to my face, let me know when you're having some Labor Day sale.You know, I'm like a, I'm a big fan of cookies. And you guys, you can all use cookies and ads to like, help you see the things you want to see. So you can hate them. But like that's how small businesses make money. And also big businesses too. But the other thing is, is like you can actually say yeah, actually, I would love it if you show me more of this, you just click on the ad and then that they'll, make sure you see that more often. So anyways, um, couple of these things gonna talk to you about are things that have been on my list for a while. So first thing, we talked about my red light therapy before, I really love the one that I have. I have it on, I actually bought like a tray for it that's on wheels, it's like a little stand on wheels, so that I can wheel it in front of my meditation chair, and then I can wheel it back into the closet. So I'm super excited about that. First I had to just like out on a thing, and I had to move it, move it back. And you know what, let's just be really honest, people, it's hard, we're not going to do it right. So I had to, I had to go buy a tray on wheels to make it a little easier. But it is one of the best purchases I've made to go along with that. And there is a ton of studies on red light therapy for people, especially in the morning. And so I'm a big fan of that. And I will say that I have sat in front of it even in the evening when I haven't been feeling as my positive self. And I feel better when I'm done being there. So it's great. I'll read a book on that. What like I'll read a book on my meditation chair in front of the lamp, I'll do breathwork in front of the lamp. I read some emails the other day in front of the lamp like I that's where going back to my morning routine changing on different days, the red light is either part of my meditation, or it's just part of my morning work day so that I can still get it in which is actually super, super cool. Then to go along with this, my chiropractor now light he had both this red light and something called a PEMF mat and I put the link it's my actual affiliate link below. So it should get you directly to the mat and also some fun little goodies that go along with it. And I am I've been wanting this mat for about six months. Every time we go I lay on I have like an hour, I really, it's hard to explain how amazing it makes me feel. But it really does make me feel great. And so I've been saving it, letting it, show up in my ads all the time. And we finally got one and I have used it everyday since. And I'm, this is where I go back to that story. I told myself, I'm too busy. Well, guess what, folks, I wasn't too busy to find an hour each day to lay on it. Since I've got it. So um, so it's kind of crazy. I think when you say you're too busy, you either don't want to do the thing, or you're avoiding doing the thing. And if you're already doing the thing, you're either avoiding it because there's something that scares you about it or you just don't want to do it. So so let that be testament because I bet you the things you really want to do you make time for. Right. So anyways, that link is below I'm obsessed with it. Last time I did a solo episode I told about my favorite water bottle. I'm still obsessed with it. In fact, I have since had a couple of different facials, I have had seen a doctor and my holistic doctor and like, at no point has anyone said I'm dehydrated. I looked hydrated, everything is normal. Everything is great. And I'm super just stoked about this water bottle like it's one of the my favorite things in life. So that link we actually have the affiliate link now and it's below and a bunch of my friends have already bought theirs. We we now I literally almost bought myself another one. And I decided I have to hold back until it's like actually the color I want. So we're patient, we're patiently waiting. Also, I finally got myself a Contrology Wunda Chair. So as you know, if you're in the Pilates world, listening to this. I'm a big fan of that Contrology equipment for my studies with Jay Grimes, like I just really love the way the old equipment was built. And even classical equipment today is not built the same way it was before. And so Contrology has done a wonderful job, really doing a lot of research going back and seeing those old piece of equipment using the old springs to make these new springs and it's incredible. It's very different. We actually got it because we're making the flashcard deck for the chairs now. So if you need an affiliate link to anything by Balanced Body, you can always hit us up, you can those exist on all of our YouTube tutorials. But also, the Contrology equipment is built by Balanced Body and I have an affiliate link for that. But get the Contrology chair is new, it came at the same time as a Ladder Barrel. And I'm sure I'll end up with that. But I really wanted the chair now because we're doing the decks now. And I got it in a really cool blue. I know you've seen my chair, it's hot pink, that color doesn't exist anymore. So I got a hot blue to go with it. I'm just really excited. It's like Barbie pink and Barbie blue like chairs. And I'm just, I think I'm gonna take pictures with them like going to on a date together.Okay, last couple of my favorite things. Naboso hand weights. So I met this woman at Momentum Fest. And I really liked the way that her hand weights felt in my hands like the texture she put in, there's a bunch of science behind it. And as you know, when you do Pilates, you only want one to two pound hand weights. Unless you're my bigger guys. And of course, I'll let you up to five, but nothing more than that, because it gets really distal, and I don't want you to be in your shoulders prefer three actually for you. But anyways, these hand weights are great. They're super fun, you can use them for anything, not just Pilates, and she's got a bunch of other good stuff for waking up your feet, and things like that. So check that out. And then finally, for my business folks who are thinking that they're just too busy, and like, "Where does she find the time?" Here I'm gonna tell you a little secret. In our household, and in our business, we Loom everything. Oh, actually, I'm gonna just be really honest, I don't log into the Loom account as much as everyone else says I'll use Zoom. But Loom Loom is the best. And so you can actually use my affiliate link below. And what it allows you to do is anything that you're already repeating in your life that you do, that you know, you want to someday hand off so life or work, you can Loom. So for example, let's say I don't want to schedule my newsletters anymore. So the next time I go to schedule one, I'm actually going to log into Loom so use my link below to get your account, you'll log in. And then you'll literally just talk to yourself, scheduling your next newsletter. And it will record your screen, record your clicks, record your voice, and you just label it, put in your Dropbox folder. And then when you do hire someone and go, "Here's how you do that. Go take a look at it. Let me know if you have any questions." And hopefully they're able to do it seems to train them. It's all done. So those are my favorite things. Some of them are well most of them are personal health related, then there is some Pilates related and then the business one related. I hope that these are helpful for you. Let me know if you liked this episode, if this if it's if it's good for you to hear like my thought process. I'm a total verbal processor as you can tell, and then what I'm reading and how that helps me be it till I see it and then what I'm using so I can support myself. Y'all, it takes a village okay, it really really does. I do understand that some of the things I'm talking about do come at a cost. And I understand that. So if right now, money is not something you have access to to support who you want to be in this world, can you please take a note out of Rachel Rodgers book, We Should All Be Millionaires. We've talked about this on the podcast before and use the word 'and' instead of 'but I don't have any money', and I don't have any money. And then I really do want you to then listen to that Flo... Florence Scovel Shinn book which I'm pretty sure it's free on on Audible, and hear how like, you can actually just be very specific on what you want. And then your eyes and ears are gonna see an opportunity. Maybe one of these things I've listed, but I say I love ends up at your neighbor's, like, garage sale, maybe ends up on a Facebook sale. Maybe someone's just like, "Hey, I'm moving. I can't take this with me." Right. Like you'd be surprised. What can come to you when you're in receiving mode and when you're aware of what you want. And I hope that these podcasts really help bring that to light and give you something to think about in your life is you can have everything you want. You can. You just have to a) know you want it and then also believe you deserve it, which you do. You don't have to have an excuse for that. You don't have to reason for that. You don't have to explain it to ... to anybody including me. I love you all so much. It is so fun to record these podcasts for you. The solo ones are unique and new for me, so I really do hope that they're helpful. And please if you have feedback, if you have questions, if there is ... guest you want to hear or if you want more solo episodes, then go to beitpod.com/tellme and then we can get you and give us that information and then we can continue to fine tune everything to help all of you, Be It Till You See It.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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How many times do you walk away from a doctor's appointment feeling discouraged, unseen, and with more questions than answers? No matter how hopeless you feel it is, there is an answer out there. Listen to this episode for ways to approach your appointments, health conversations, and the value of self-advocation.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How LL became comfortable telling her health storiesThree tips for getting the most out of your doctor's appointments.Common should not equal normal How to find the right doctor for you What the middle space means and how to live in itEpisode References/Links:Agency MINICambodia RetreatOPC Blogs  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See it interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the advocating convo I have with Jessica in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us.Brad Crowell  Do it.Lesley Logan  You know what this intro just made me realize, 1) where on what episode, 138. And I'm still reading a script. So anyways, there's that and 2) I need to get Lindsay Rathert on, Lindsay Moore on. (Brad: Yeah.) Because we are gonna actually bring her on. She's already said she wants to be on and to talk about how you can be an advocate. So I'm saying that because I know that Brad and Amanda make notes and help me remember.Brad Crowell  You just coaching the team right here live on the pod.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. Let's if they're listening. (Brad: Okay, okay.) Anyways, aside from that amazing announcement that's going to be ...Brad Crowell  That's not typically how we do things around here, y'all. (Lesley: No.) We're gonna roll with it today.Lesley Logan  I know. I'm getting, I'm giving notes. I'm sure, there's gonna be notes to me. There's any note behind the note. (Brad: Amazing.) Anyways, we are also very ... because we were so busy with Agency Mini week. It is insane and amazing around here, the buzz in this house is so fun, because one of the things we're on this mission to do is more bodies doing Pilates. And one of the ways we can do that, as you know, I've said before, not everyone like's me, I'm not a taco. And so I help, we help other instructors and studio owners grow their businesses, because when they grow their businesses, they're teaching more people. And that means mission accomplished.Brad Crowell  Yes, that's very true. So this week is, is one of the two times each year we do Agency Mini, and it's for fitness business owners of all kinds. And it's where we get a chance to really, you know, get to know you, you get to know us and all the you know how that, how our coaching program works during this week, and it's full of amazing foundational information for fitness business owners. And ...Lesley Logan  I mean, also we do the webinar foundational information, then we answer all of your questions. (Brad: Yeah ...) No matter where are you are in your business, we have an answer for you.Brad Crowell  Yeah. But right now, we're in the middle of it. So it's a little too late to jump in. But you can put yourself on the waitlist for the next round, which we're going to be doing early next year. So if you are interested and information about that just go to profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and now we're getting really ready in a week we're gonna be in Chicago ... (Brad: Yeah, hop on a plane.) Yeah, Balanced Bodies Pilates on tour, where I hope we're gonna see you there. And we're gonna see you there, make sure we let us know Brad's and I actually going to be at our booth. And then I will be at our booth and teaching classes. So we want to see you ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, and OPC members, check your emails.Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah, we're working on, we're working on that meetup. So make sure you are watching for that. And then we come back from that on our anniversary, happy anniversary, Babe. (Brad: Oh thanks.) We'll be on a plane and ... (Brad: It's how we do.) It's literally how we do. I mean, if we let this least this one will be together.Brad Crowell  Least this one, we will need together. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  Because two days after we return. So week and two, like two weeks from now is our in person business retreat. (Brad: Yeah.) So which I can't wait. And many of you are like, "Oh, I wanted to the next one." Well, I don't ... there isn't one. So if you're wanting to be on a retreat with us, then you actually just want to join us in Cambodia.Brad Crowell  Yeah, look, if you are like super interested in digging into the customer journey, and the entire process, whether you're a brick and mortar or you're an online business, and all the automations that can be associated with either of those scenarios, you still can join us in real life in Las Vegas for the business retreat. If that's something of interest to you just shoot us a DM otherwise, like Lesley said, at the end of October, we are going to be kicking off our Cambodia retreat is gonna be the first one we've run in more than two years. Thank you COVID. (Lesley: I know. It's so crazy.) And we are really really, really excited to be getting back to one of the places in this world that we are just the most passionate about. I know you've heard me talk about it 100 times but truly, it's one of my favorite places to be on this planet.Lesley Logan  It's so magical. We're going a week ahead of time (Brad: Yeah.) and I'm not sad that our flight out is not as early as we had planned because we get a few more days ...Brad Crowell  It's gonna be amazing to be back there and as you probably already know, I spent a month there earlier this year with Lesley's dad. The two of us went through all 12 bedrooms, we you know figured out what needs to be looked at, adjusted and it was two years of upkeep that you know we were able to like do this great construction on the property, did amazing landscaping and gardening, our place is looking really fantastic. In fact, that just got pictures of our new banana trees that we planted and they're already like, you know, a third again, as tall. It's only been a couple of months. It's crazy to see them grow. You're gonna love hanging with us there. So we hope you come join us.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Because you know what, like, shared experiences are really what makes like life so amazing and interesting. And I had some people ask me on a call, like, "What else should I do when I'm there?" And I'm like, "Yeah, because once you're all the way over there, you may as well bop around." (Brad: Yeah.) And we still might, we haven't actually planned our extra days. But you can go to Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bali. I mean, like, they're like, wherever (Brad: Yeah.) you in Southeast Asia have so much fun. So anyways, we hope you join us. And ...Brad Crowell  To do so just go to lesleylogan.co/retreat.Lesley Logan  Thanks for remembering that. I was like, "Ah what is that?" Anyways, it is Mini week loves. (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah.) Okay.Brad Crowell  But first, Lesley, (Lesley: Oh) we had an audience question respond to. Yeah. (Lesley: We do.) That question was, okay. This is personal. So, what finally made you, Lesley, comfortable enough to share your story about all the health challenges that you had experienced literally starting in college? And then it took, what, 10 years before you were willing to actually be open about all those challenges? (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah. This is a really great question. This is a very personal question. But ...Lesley Logan  I know, I feel like I'm more comfortable sharing the health stories rather than why I'm more comfortable sharing them.Brad Crowell  Well, it was ... it's kind of perfect timing for this episode, (Lesley: Yeah.) because of the sensitive topics you were discussing in the interview with Jessica.Lesley Logan  You know, I think it's a combination of things. But I'll tell you what, for the for the stomach stuff, I didn't share them for a long time until like, I would like really wait till I had to share them. And then it was like, "Why aren't you eating at this restaurant?" And living in LA and losing as much weight as I lost, I was very aware that people thought I had an eating disorder. And I didn't, I would rather them know that I had like, diarrhea every morning. But I think that I, eating disorder, like I just felt like that was because because I wanted them to know the truth. And I could feel the side eyes and then glances and then the interesting comments. And so I thought a) well, there's probably a lot of people who are like me, and then everybody's treating them the same way as I'm being treated. So I may as well share. And then the other thing was is that my clients were sharing things about themselves that are personal because it was affecting their practice. And I was and then they were going you know, they were acting like I didn't understand or they thought I wouldn't understand. And the truth was I did understand and I just didn't tell them that so I started to realize that my not sharing my stories was actually making people think the wrong thing about themselves, about who I was, about my priorities. And so it just became easier to share than not share and then what also happens when you share to the right people obviously I didn't like go tell a random person I told people as close to so you know if you're seeing yourself in the story like be really careful make sure we have we have a podcast interview coming up with Elle Russ about boundaries but like make sure that you tell someone you know is going to be understanding, don't go tell the person is always a Debbie Downer always sees the negative things and things go tell someone who like really does. It's usually the positive Polly. And ...Brad Crowell  I think this I think what didn't you write a series of blog posts (Lesley: Aha.) about your gut journey, your gut health journey. (Lesley: Good memory. I forgot that.) For those of you who are wondering what we're talking about, and what story you know what when she started to share, you can find them on the blog at onlinepilatesclasses.com.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I forgot that we weren't that. I ended up ...Brad Crowell  It was like four. I think four or six ... posts, I mean.Lesley Logan  Those posts came about after we finally got answers. And so that (Brad: That's ...) also, so I would so if you're trying to do the same thing, first, open up to people that you feel like you can trust with your story, and that aren't going to (Brad: Judge you.) like judge you or shove it ... all everyone feels like that. And what you heard in Jessica's podcasts is just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal. So I told some people and then because those people because I trust those people when those people when the right people to tell they actually people in their network to help me. And then I got help. And once I had answers, then I felt really comfortable sharing the story. Because I wasn't sharing from place up "I need answers". I was sharing place, "I'm on my healing journey". And I think that for me that made the most comfortable to (Brad: Yeah.) share with random people, to write a blog that anyone could read.Brad Crowell  Also, there's a little bit of hope when you feel like (Lesley: Yeah.) you have a light at the end of the tunnel. (Lesley: Yeah.) And I that's where I thinking back now, this was many years ago, but, you know, having had a chance to have that 200 page report from the doctor that we found, where he actually sat down explain to you all the things it was, even though even though there was still a multiple year path to being more healthy, and being, you know, healing, it at least there was a path that was like, "Okay, we can do this.: Whereas before, it was always (Lesley: Yeah.) like, "We don't know, we don't know." And this is just terrible.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So if you are in a situation right now, where you don't have help, hope and help, then people that you really do feel like has your best interests at heart of the people to tell, then hopefully, with their network, you can get the help and the hope and then and then that was when I felt comfortable sharing anybody and people were like, "Whoa, I had no idea." I'm like, "I know, you didn't have any idea." Like, it is a lot. So ...Brad Crowell  Look, if you are, you know, if you're applying this to your story, and you have had gut challenges that you've gone to every doctor, and every doctor has told you that there's nothing wrong with you, you're probably crazy. And you know that you're not and you know ...Lesley Logan  And I did have a doctor telling me that. I had a doctor literally say, I think you have body dysmorphia. I need to go see a psychologist.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm pulling bits from your story, if you're, if you experience are experiencing the same things, and you've been, you know, dealing with with something for years, and we are more than happy to connect you to the doctor that Lesley found, that was able to actually dig in and have this bigger picture about it. So if that's something that is really of interest to you, and you're just like you're at the end of the road, you just don't know what to do next. Reach out to us and let us know. We're happy to (Lesley: Yeah.) make that that connection for you.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah. So I hope that was helpful. I hope, you know, it's, there's, it's like, I it's like you, I always think about Tiffany Haddish. And somebody I'll have her on the show. But she shared like that she had like a, how about her doing her comedy, and she like, told a story about someday her and she and her mom, I got in a fight in the parking lot, that morning. She told the story and someone heckled it. And she realized in that moment, like, sharing things with the public where they could have judgment around it before you healed from something is not is not the way to do it. So she instead shared what was going on with her family and her joking way and her way of the way that she handles life with close people. And like that requires like, maybe you sitting down and like writing down a list of people who like are like whose opinion of you matter, who always are like they are to help you out. And then she would when she healed from it, then she make it a comedy special. (Brad: Yeah.) And so I think like, that's just kind of how I like interpreted it myself. It's like, "Okay, who can I tell around me? Who I don't feel is going to judge me? Who I don't feel is going to be like, Lesley, we're all going through this." And then and then I was able to write those blogs and now I just talk about it because I you know, it's it, I don't want anyone to think that what they're going through with their health is normal. (Brad: Yeah.) You know, it's just like Jessica said ...Brad Crowell  Well, we're gonna cover that.Lesley Logan  Yeah, just gonna know it's not normal. Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Jessica. Y'all, you may have already heard Jessica Valant because we had her on as a guest way back at the beginning of the pod. That's because Jessica and Lesley are very close friends. They've known each other for a very long time. So we're so excited to be welcome, welcoming Jessica Valant back to the Be It pod. She is a leader in the Pilates industry, with a background in Physical Therapy. She is the founder of Momentum Fest which is a huge international movement festival, usually hosted out, well, it's always been hosted out of the Denver area. (Lesley: Yeah.) It's moved around and so ...Lesley Logan  Well, people from the international community come.Brad Crowell  Yeah, people fly in from all over the world. It's really amazing. Jessica is a strong believer in self advocating, and she's a mom that is passionate about helping women find a positive outlet for tough health questions. And that's specifically because she has experienced a lot of health challenges since her early 20s. So very similar convo as what we just talked about, Lesley just talked about Oh, but Jessica has been struggling with endometriosis. So anyway, she has been through all the things including multiple pregnancies, IVF, all that stuff. And it's a very powerful interview that we that you held with her. I didn't even know some of that stuff. And I also didn't know that she was so transparent about it. And she basically said, you know, I never imagined that would be in the healthcare industry. But because of all the circumstances that I went through, I am.Lesley Logan  Well, I think like, this is if you've ever heard your mess is your message, and I would like hear that all the time from podcasts. And that's kind of how this podcast came to be. Because like, I was a perfectionist, and I was not thinking, like, I like it just so anyways, if you're so basically, she didn't imagine she'd be there. And because her, I don't want to say that her health is a mess. But like, the idea is that like her problems, basically became the thing that she talks about. (Brad: Totally.) She's the best person to talk about it because she's experienced it and she knows it. And so I had to have her back because I mentioned on her first episode, we didn't even get into the women's health. And I was like, well, that's so important ...Brad Crowell  We could change that. We could call it your pain is your program.Lesley Logan  Oh, well, then it's ours. I'm already putting a little topper on that. That's mine. Mine. All right, I just felt like LL Finding Nemo. Mine, mine. Yeah. What did you love that you said?Brad Crowell  Yeah. So I think a little bit of practical advice because I started laughing about this, because we've been paying for health insurance for ever. And we hardly take advantage of it. And this summer, we thought, well, we need to just go get an annual checkup. And I went to the annual checkup. And I don't know, I just sat there and like, you know, was like, I felt like I was like having like a shoot the shit like convo with my new general practitioner. And it was only like partway through that. I was like, "Oh, wait, I have like, I have actually a family history to share with you." And then at the end of it you came in and we met in the lobby, and you said, "Oh, did you ask them about this thing, specifically that you booked the entire appointment to ask about?" And I totally forgot, I like literally forgot. And fortunately, we were still at the office. And I was able to pull the doc aside and be like, "Hey, quick question. But it made me feel hilariously dumb that I forgot to talk to you about the thing." And when Jessica was talking about that scenario, in her in her interview with you, I started laughing because I completely forgot some of the major stuff that that was like that I wanted to talk to him about. So she had very practical advice. She said, here are three tips for getting the most out of your doctor's appointments. Okay, this is any doctor's appointment. Number one is to take notes, and just save them, write them down, write down what it is that you're feeling. And then you can then ask the doctor, hey, you can say to them, "Hey, this is normally how I feel. But I have been feeling these other things instead. Can you tell me what this means?" Right. But the big key thing there is write it down. (Lesley: Yeah.) So that when you get in front of the doctor, you're not going like, what was the thing I can't remember? Like, I mean, I think we've all probably done this with our vet appointments, where we're like, oh, you got like six things we want to vet to check in our dog and we get there. And we're like, we only remember three of them. Like what I need to call my spouse like I can't remember, there was something else.Lesley Logan  Well, how about this? You go to the grocery store, and you forgot the thing you went to the grocery store for. (Brad: Sure.) So like this is just sound (Brad: Sure.) human beings do so if you've done this, it's like, there's nothing wrong with you. It's it's totally normal. And so that's why you have a notes app on your phone. (Brad: Yeah, exactly.) It's like ... you can write it in the appointment notes so you have on your calendar, you can (Brad: Sure.) write in your appointment notes, so you don't have to it's like really easy. Come up with a system that works for you. (Brad: Yeah.) And I, I did I did laugh. I like I kind of rolled my eyes actually. Because I was like, the whole appointment was on that thing. What are you doing and talking about?Brad Crowell  I talked about everything else, like ...Lesley Logan  ... like getting referrals, like seven things and I'm like, "What are you talking about? That is not why you made this appointment."Brad Crowell  So the second point that Jessica said is, if you are really struggling with something that is affecting your stress levels in which it's very plausible, if if something's wrong with you, it could cause you to worry when you get in front of the doctor you may not actually be thinking clearly, and she suggested to take someone trusted with you to the appointment and just to sit there and be there and kind of look at it from an analytical perspective and make sure that you know, the emotional side of it isn't actually clouding the conversation or stopping you from asking the questions that you should be asking so that could be your partner. Or it could be your best friend, you know, someone who already knows these things about you that you feel comfortable sharing those things with, you're obviously going to have to have permission from the doctor because of all the HIPAA laws here in the United States, and all that kind of stuff about sharing sensitive health information, but I'm sure that's something that they can work out. (Lesley: It's completely ...) It's not uncommon, (Lesley: It's ... uncommon.) So it's like, it's like a parent child thing to, right? Obviously, there's another person in the room. And the last thing that she recommended was to be an advocate for yourself, and to come up with a list of questions for the doctor that you you are allowed to request blood tests, you don't have to sit there and like, hope that they suggest it. You can say, "Hey, I'm worried about this thing. You know, can we do a blood test or can we do a? Do I need to see a specialist or do whatever do I need to take the supplements because of this thing that I'm worried about?" Whatever it might be. Right. And the other thing is, she said, listen, doctors are, you know, you're the client of the doctor. And so doctors are busy, just like you will have clients with your, you know, whether you're teaching or your whatever it is that you're doing for work, you may have clients, you're the doctor's client, so it's okay for you to raise your hand again and be like, "Hey, don't forget about me. You said you were gonna give her give me this referral? Hey, you were gonna fax this thing over? Hey, you were gonna give me a prescription?" Whatever it is, right. You're allowed to be the squeaky wheel.Lesley Logan  I used to work at the doctor's office. I did. I don't know if you know this, but I used to work at a doctor's office. And I actually worked in records and then I moved into phone calls. And here's what was very interesting, people who called I'd have their messages and have to go find their chart. Now everything is like do... like as digital, but I had to go find their physical chart. And I have to put the phone thing on the chart. And guess what I got put back on top, I got put back on the top. And so the squeaky wheel forgot their phone calls answered. And I was like, "This system doesn't make any sense because this poor person over here has been patient is getting nothing over here. (Brad: Right.) But at any rate, like it is your health and as your body. And I am going to go into what I loved. I've already said it, but it's just not as common as me. It's normal. Don't let your doctor tell you otherwise. So in that same doctor's appointment, (Brad: Yeah.) same office would end up happening is like the person we're supposed to see. And I really did have Brad, like, look up some criteria of like, what I thought I wanted a doctor. And he did. And he totally did. And he, like she met all the criteria was also close to home. And she was so busy. He was there for over an hour and hadn't got his appointment. So the other doctor in the office just did the appointment and ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, for me. So I had not the GP we had booked, but it was in the same office as (Lesley: Yeah.) basically her business partner, I guess, or something like that. Anyway, (Lesley: And he ...) he was like, super helpful.Lesley Logan  Super helpful. So great. I haven't watched the two of them talk at one point. And I'm like, "Oh, that guy's really helpful. That's great." But the person I got, first of all, it was like, it was like a night and day difference, not only did no one read what I wrote on the frickin paperwork that I wrote down. They made me answer it again. And then when the doctor came in, she made me answer it again. And like, I wrote it down, and I answered it, and like you have it right there. Like I already feel like you're not organized. Then I was telling her the things I'm concerned about in my body considered going back to family history, my father's had skin cancer, he's had melanoma. So I said, I haven't been a dermatologist since 2018. I'd like to see a dermatologist. She checked my back, just my back and she goes, "These all look fine." And she kind of just, I felt dismissed about that. (Brad: Right.) Then I asked her a couple more questions. And she either so my insurance wouldn't cover it or I don't have to worry about that. Because it's like, you've tested this many different times. And I felt so unseen. So like, even if, even if she's completely corrected what she said, the point is, it's that you it's your body, it's your health, and you have the right to find a doctor who will help you. So I'm going to juxtapose this to the woman who helped me with my IUD removal. And I share that because that was a journey and a half with all of you. But here's the deal that woman advocated for me. She found she's like, "I think I found your IUD. Let me get someone to confirm that I'm seeing it." Got it. Her specialists in her office to look at the ultrasound goes, "Is that it? What what where is it at her uterus? What's going on here?" And then she's like, "Let me go see if I can remove this today." I didn't ask her to because I was told I couldn't have removed that day. But she went to go see if she could do it then. And she came back and said, "I'm so sorry, your insurance won't let me remove it today. But it's a really simple procedure. It's not gonna be a problem. We know where it is." And so just let's and she took me to the front desk to make the appointment. (Brad: Yeah.) And so ...Brad Crowell  That's really interesting. (Lesely: So ...) That's really amazing. (Lesley: It's amazing ...) You know what it's funny, I think I feel like like this is a second time. I've heard this story from you, obviously. And I feel like my conclusion was that the first the first GP was advocating on behalf of your wallet because she kept saying your insurance won't cover that. And the reality is, it doesn't matter. You need these tests anyway, this blood worked on anyway, the referral to the doctor anyway, whatever. Right. As so she was almost advocating for your wallet instead of your health. (Lesley: Yeah.) Whereas the second doctor, you know, she was advocating for your health first.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So luckily, I can go to her for my female stuff. And I'm going to find a different GP and I'll just keep the hunt going. But I hope that that helps all of you give yourself permission. Like, I know, it's not especially I know a lot of places healthcare is a really hard thing, whether your government covers it, or you're in the US and the shitshow that we're all in. The reality is, is that it is up to us to advocate for ourselves. And we really do only have this one body. (Brad: Yeah.) We really do. And I don't know why we don't do preventative work. But like, please, please, please, like, take care of the body that you have, move it as much as you can. And when something feels off, write it down. Like Jessica said, take notes. How long is it off? When was the last time it felt right? Because if it is something that is consistently off, dismissing it, it's just going to cause more problems.Brad Crowell  Well, I mean, just circle it back around just because it's common (Lesley: Yeah.) does not mean it's normal. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And it might be common, you know common across the population. But it doesn't mean it's normal. Our bodies shouldn't be doing some of the things that are happening.Yeah. And before we go into the BE IT actions, I just want to say this, like I have more female health advocates coming on the show. And there's a big reason why. We have to hear this message over and over again. Because here's the deal, ladies if your health is off, my stomach was off. Jessica has people dealing with pelvic floor issues, those will be off. If you have those issues, it does absolutely affect you feeling confident enough to go to work. It affects you feeling like you can show up and be your whole self. There are things you say no to because you're worried about how, like I said no to amazing dinners, because I couldn't eat the food. And like who knows what would happen there? And so I cannot help you 'be it till you see it' if your health is keeping you from that. So anyways, okay, (Brad: Yeah.) we can talk about this action items now.All right, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that you discuss with Jessica Valant. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? Why don't you go first?Lesley Logan   My big takeaway is how can you live that best life in that middle space? I thought this is so good. Like I was like, " this is so good." The ...Brad Crowell  Oh first off what, let's explain what the middle space means.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So, day to day action. You know, like the middle, here's the thing, you have a start point. This is like this the middle, you have a start point. And you have a goal. Right? So in particular, with what Jessica was saying is like you you had the life you had then like, then you have this like situation that's going on with your health. And you have this goal at the end, like when this health thing goes away. (Brad: Yeah.) But the reality is, is that because how long test take because how long healing takes because of all because of research all that stuff. There's going to be a middle. (Brad: Yeah.) And I, how do we live our best life? How do we be it till we see it? How do we show up and do other things while we're in the middle waiting for the healing, waiting for the results, waiting for the thing that's going on to be different? And I if you I don't think this is like everything this is whether it's health, whether it's business, whether it's love, whether it's anything like how do we live our best life in that middle space, that space between where we started and where we want to be?Brad Crowell  Okay, so, so yeah. So what are those actual suggestions that Jessica had about how we live our best life in the middle?Lesley Logan  Yeah, so she mentioned like the day to day action. So like, and that's, y'all, there's a lot of days that can be very much the same. And instead of it being redundant, "Oh my gosh, I'm like living this life waiting for the next thing." It's like, what action can you take each day, it's going to give you clarity, it's going to feel really good, then it takes a plan. So you really are going to need to plan and, and that is the hardest part. But then you have to work the plan. My loves she didn't mentioned that, but this is very important. And Amy Ledin's like once you have a plan, you should have to work the plan, and you have to trust the plan. You can't just do it one day, and then the next day. Brad Crowell  Yeah, actually, this makes me think back to your doctor's like 200 page, (Lesley: Yeah.) you know, like all of the research that he did on your, like testing on your blood, and all the conclusions that he drew from it, he came to you and said, "Okay, here's your plan for the next 12 months." Right. (Lesley: Yeah.) And he literally gave you the steps.Lesley Logan  Yeah, he did. And I had to work them. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. Know that it is your journey. I thought that was very key the your, that is your journey. And like, I think it can be easy to compare your journey to someone else's journey, but it's your journey. (Brad: Right.) And it's okay to be in this journey. And, and also one day at a time, it's a process, it will get you where you want to go. So anyways, I feel like I've just this I'm so passionate about this and I hope this is episode ... And so what did you, what are your BE IT loves?Brad Crowell  Yeah. So you asked a really great question at the very end of the interview, that that neither of you actually answered. And I wanted to bring it up, back up so that we can answer here, you asked, "How do you find a middle where you can live in that and thrive in that and enjoy it? So that you're not constantly looking at that finish line." Right. And Jessica said, "Right, like endometriosis of which there's no cure." So how do you enjoy the middle? You know, even if there there might not be an end.Lesley Logan  Well, I kind of I mean, I kind of I think that was a rhetorical question. (Brad: Oh.( (Lesley laughs) (Brad: I mean ...) Do you want more. I mean,Brad Crowell  Yeah, effectively can how can we answer that? You know, how do we how do we find contentedness in the middle? How do we enjoy the journey?Lesley Logan  I think it's going to be different for everybody. And I do think like specifically, when, when, when you're one where there is no cure, like I think about Lori Watson, right? She's got back fusions. And so she's (Brad: Right.) like, one day, there's gonna be in her lifetime, they're gonna be like, here's a new spine. (Brad: Right.) Do you know what I mean? And I share that because we just had her on OPC to do a workshop about back stuff. But um, and I think like Jessica with endometriosis, and I think some of these things, maybe, you know, your pain becomes your program. And she is like finding money to raise money for research, we actually can figure out endometriosis. (Brad: That's true. She you did there.) Yeah, I just like I know, I'm so good at circling back to things. And but I think like I said, I think it comes back to the 'be it till you see it' like who, why do you want? (Brad: Yeah.) First, like, what do you want? And also like, you are not your endometriosis, you are not whatever this pain is. I was not my stomach issues. I was not my health. Like, those are the things those are not the things I am, that's not like, here, it's not gonna be on my tombstone here lies Lesley, she had a lot of stomach problems. It's gonna talk about like, the what, I don't know, I don't even know what my tombstone, but it's not gonna say that. So, the reality is I think you need to go back to like, what are you what are you wanting out of this life that you have? (Brad: Yeah.) And where are you today? And then when you work yourself backwards, that's what creates the plan. (Brad: Yeah.) And then I really think you got to celebrate the fuck out of each day. (Brad: Yeah.) And what did go well, and so the highlight of your day is not the pain you're in.Brad Crowell  It's the joy of the journey. (Lesley: Yeah. And I'm not saying we ...) So what joy can you find (Lesley: Yeah.) in the journey? How do you you know, I feel like taking a pause, you know, like this brings back Jackie Serviss, Powering the Pause, you know, or Amy Ledin you know, her ongoing battle in and you know, cancer free and then it goes back and ...Lesley Logan  She doesn't focus on her cancer every day. I talked to her every other week. She we don't even talk about that. (Brad: Out of remission. Yeah.) Yeah. We talked about the action steps she's taken that day, what she's celebrating, what's going well, and I'm not saying that any of these people nor myself ignore the pain, you still are advocating for yourself. It's just that you know, what we what, what we manage is what grows right? What what we appreciate, appreciates. So you can each day appreciate the good things that happened that day the people that you love, the the people that open the door for you, the people that, like, supported you, and yet this other stuff can still have happened. But you can we, if you focus on all that good stuff, I think you're just gonna feel fucking better. And you're (Brad: Yeah.) going to enjoy that medal. And then you take notes like each day about, like how you're feeling about the thing that you're trying to solve a problem on. But I don't know, like ...Brad Crowell  What we appreciate, appreciates.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it really does. So I think I'm a verbal processor. I hope everyone followed that. And I hope and if you're like shouting out from your phone, like to me and Brad, what the answer is, then send it to the @be_it_pod. (Brad: Yeah.) And I'll post it, I'll talk about it in a future episode, because I would love to hear how you are trying to live and thrive in the middle without without your whatever your thing is holding (Brad: Yeah.) you back. It's there, it's part of the journey. It makes it ... Here's the deal, have you ever heard anybody inspiring a story? Say, "I had it like this amazing life, and it was so fucking great. And then I got here and I made this amazing thing. And it's so been so fucking great." And then ... no, every single person, including Oprah, her fucking self, they all came from some sort of pain. And then they used it to create the programs and the platforms, and another whatever 'p' where we want to put in here to to help others. So they and they don't focus on the pain that they came from. It's just part of the story. It's part of their middle, and it's what helps them reach other people. So anyways,Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well, that's awesome. I think that was a great answer to a rhetorical question.Lesley Logan  Well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending a DM to the @be_it_pod Instagram. 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Jessica is back on the Be It pod to share her health journey and to address the hard topics that many women feel but never speak about. Listen in to gain practical tips for addressing your next doctor's appointment, how to advocate for yourself, and the importance of normalizing conversations about women's health.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Tips for getting the most out of your doctor appointments Sharing is how we know we are not alone.Why common should never be “normal”.How Pelvic floor physical therapy can benefit you.Find the person to listen to your story and give concrete action items.Discover how to live your best life in the middle.BIO Jessica graduated from Regis University in Denver with her Master's Degree in Physical Therapy in 2000. She received her Pilates training in2001 through Polestar Pilates and is a Nationally Certified Pilates Teacher and PMA approved continuing education provider.She has worked with thousands of clients of different backgrounds, ages, injuries and abilities, to help them reach their ultimate health goals.Jessica is recognized as a leader in the Pilates industry. She has a successful YouTube channel, membership site and blog. She has been named a top 10 finalist in the 2015 Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Contest and a Creator on the Rise by YouTube and has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine (including as a cover model in 2020), Shape, Buzzfeed, Yoga Journal and Thrillest. She teaches popular workshops and courses to other health care professionals and Pilates instructors and is considered an expert in the women's health arena.Jessica and her husband, Brian, founded Momentum Fest, a three day Pilates and movement festival, in 2017 in order to create an inclusive, loving and fun place for all people to celebrate movement together.She is married to her best friend and their days are spent in Denver wrangling two young kids, being in the sun, living their passion through work and drinking coffee.Episode References/Links:Jessica Valant Pilates WebsiteFollow Jessica on IGCheck out Jessica Valant Pilates on YoutubeOtter NotesProfitable Pilates HealthCare Advocacy Course  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Jessica Valant  Hey, Be It babe, this is for you. This is, this interview is for you. I am so excited to bring back a guest. She's one of my dearest, dearest friends, you'll hear me introduce her. But also she is truly someone who is here to help with this subject. And something I've seen in my own health history and then also, in my clients that I work with, and the people that I coach, and my own family, just women around me is how many are going through a health struggle that no one knows anything about. And either they have not been able to find an answer, or it's taken them years and years and years. And I know that every single one of you listening to this, is here on this planet to make a difference in the world. Like, truly. And even if you're listening to this and say, "Lesley, I am not on a podcast. I'm not on social media. I'm not creating anything." I don't care. None of those things, those things make an impact for those that make an impact. Or you can make an impact with your neighbor, you can make an impact with somebody walking down the street that you smile at. And you help. Right? You, you you make more of an impact than you think. And especially if you are in line waiting for your kid at school, and you share something going on with you, health wise with someone who can then go, you too. So this conversation about. Jessica Valant is back. And we are here to talk about women's health. And it's because she has her own journey with it, I have a different journey. But there are so many moments in there that I just wanted to like pause and just like almost have the team rerun what she said. So feel free to pause and rewind. So you get that. Because it's so important that you hear this episode. It's so important. I say this later. And I will say it now because you need to hear it so many times. If you are not confident and comfortable having tough conversations with people in your life, then share this episode with them. So that you can start the conversation in a way that feels a little bit more like, "Hey, did you hear that? Hey, did you hear that?" I understand. It's okay. I felt so weird in my life telling people was going on with me. I mean, literally, by the time people heard I was suffering, I was almost dying. That's literally what the person who looked at my results on my test said, he's like, "I don't know how you're here." And it's because part of the time I just stopped advocating for myself, and I was like, "Well, this is just gonna be the life I live." And then I got frustrated with that. And I would start again, and then they would make it worse. And I got to a place where I was really not well. And I don't know if I could have gone very many weeks longer like that. And so I'm so grateful for the different little angels that came in my life to make me feel like I wasn't alone. And there were options. And so I really cannot wait for you to dive into this interview. And I'm gonna stop talking. So you can and please, please, please, please, please, please send this to a friend. So that we all start hearing that like some of the stuff that no one is talking about. Everyone is often going through or know someone who is. You can change the world. We can have bigger impacts, and help people solve their issues or at least have answers sooner if we stopped just keeping it to ourselves and not let anyone know because it's embarrassing or or maybe we feel like we shouldn't be going through that. So I love you. Here's Jessica Valant.Lesley Logan  All right, be it listeners, I'm so excited because I actually have one of our one of our original guests actually back here on the pod. I am so excited not only she's a dear friend, and just a beautiful frickin human being. If you don't already know her, you will see that as you get to know her. But she is such an advocate for women and their health. And I'm just excited to have her share that with you and help us all because I think our health as women can hold us back from a lot of things. And it can be not only frustrating, but embarrassing, and even taking away some confidence that we could have in this role. So Jessica Valant. Hello. Hi, friend. How are you? Jessica Valant  You know what? Any excuse to talk to you? I'm great. I know. I know. I don't know, people listening probably don't know, it's the end of Friday. For me. This is the end of my workday. It's kind of early that I have to get the kids after this. And like there's no better way to end my Friday than this and transfer into the weekend. It's perfect. Lesley Logan  Oh my god, I know. Anyways, agreed. I get to teach a Pilates workout after this. So (Jessica: Well, that's fun too.) Still gonna be fun. It's live. So people are there. And then I will do a happy hour with them. So. So it's like you're like you're a part of the finale. It's great. So Jessica, can you tell everyone a little bit about who you are? And even like your journey getting here with your health and things like that?Jessica Valant  For sure. So, yes, my name is Jessica. I've been a physical therapist and a Pilates teacher for 20. I always have to look at the date and like what, like 22 years about, there abouts. I graduated from PT school in 2000. So I, I mean, to be honest, I never thought I would be in women's health ever. Like it was not something I wanted. It wasn't. I was like, I'm gonna work with athletes and orthopedic injuries, and I wanted to work with brain injuries. So I had this whole different view of what my career would be, as we all do, probably usually. And then I, my first foray into my own issues happened early 2000s. And basically, I started going to the hospital with a lot of abdominal pain, I had every test under the sun. I mean, I was 24. And I had a colonoscopy, and I know you understand some of the stuff and ultrasounds and everything, and no one could figure out what it was. And I just knew I was in pain. And I didn't know what was going on. I had a lot of back pain, I stopped PT. Anyway, finally, I had a doctor who said, "This might be endometriosis. Why don't we go in and have surgery because it's the only way to diagnose it." So in 2005, I had surgery. And lo and behold, I woke up and they said, "Yes, you have an endometriosis. There is no cure for it. You're going to have to manage it. And not sure if you want to have kids, but that's gonna be really hard for you. And good luck." And it kind of sent me on my way. So it was really my very first time of understanding that movement. And health had a whole different purpose other than how we looked, you know, other than, "Oh, I work out. So I can eat a doughnut tomorrow." Like, that kind of was all put to the side in that, okay, if I want to manage this and not be defined by it, because as many women know, if you go on Dr. Google and try to find information, it's pretty scary out there. They don't understand women's health. And there's a lot of scary things. So I knew I didn't want to be one of those stories, and that I wanted to do everything I could to not be defined by my diagnosis. So it started to change how I looked at a lot of different things and taking care of myself. And then along the way, I did I was able to have our daughter, and then I experienced severe prolapse after that. And then I went through IVF with our son, and then had prolapse surgery and two more endo surgeries and the hysterectomy. So along the way, I kind of realized, "Okay, universe, I'm pretty sure I'm in the women's health field now." Because (Lesley: Yeah.) this is what I know about. And you know, that's just a whole other lesson, really in business and finding a niche, but what you know about what you experience can really define how you walk through the world. And (Lesley: Yeah.) that's what it did for me, you know, having kids changed how I see the world and being a woman and experiencing healthcare and everything that comes with it good and bad. I remember sharing my first story and being really nervous. And I'm like, "I'll write about endo." And the response I got was just out of control. I couldn't believe it. And still to this day, 90% of the messages I get are from women. Thank you for sharing about your prolapse. Thank you for taking my hysterectomy. No one does no one does. No one's positive. And I just realized, okay, that's, that's really the road I'm gonna go down because it's not talked about, and there's not a positive outlet for people looking for answers. And so I realized it was a void, I could fill and I think it helped me heal as well along the way talking about it has always helped me heal. So I think it's a combination of those things. And that's where I am now.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, well, first of all, (Jessica: Yeah.) thank you for sharing that so that (Jessica: Yeah.) everyone could kind of be on can understand why you care and why this is such (Jessica: Yeah.) a passion for you. I mean, similarly, I had very interesting health issues where no one could know and I had a doctor say to me, "I think you have endometriosis. But I cannot tell you because of that of the surgery part." And also, he said, "You're on your parents health insurance. And I don't want it to be a pre existing condition." (Jessica: Yeah.) He said, "So don't go looking for answers until you actually need them." Which is like when your doctor is like, "Don't do it, because there (Jessica: Yeah.) is no help for you. And then your insurance be more expensive." (Jessica: Right.) Was ... (Jessica: Right.) you know. And soJessica Valant  Right. It's almost like our first limitation right away is insurance. And I know you even put this on your story the other day without getting into the details, but just talking about having to be an advocate for yourself for years. (Lesley: Yeah.) And it's absolutely true that that is one thing I'll say off the bat, it takes work to get answers for yourself. It takes work to be an advocate for yourself. Like I think both you and I would say that hands up, hands down. It's going to take work, and it's worth it. But it does you have to be willing to put your head down and learn a lot of terms you don't want to know and get on the phone and a lot of things.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, I'll share because I think it's I I had an IUD because I needed to, then first so they couldn't get my period to come back. So this is like how I did it. Because I couldn't be on hormones. So thankfully a doctor, a lovely doctor along the way was like, "You had a blood clot because you can't be on hormones. Like that's where you're at." And so anyways, it put me on a copper IUD and then I couldn't find anyone to get it out because they could and find it. And I even went to Planned Parenthood. And this is to knock that knock knock that I don't want to knock them or anything like that. But like, I went somewhere thinking, "Oh, I'll go there because my health insurance is not going to let me remove this on the same day appointment. So I'll just go to them and they'll be able to remove it." And they couldn't find it. And they said, "I had to get a referral to go to someone special." And it really was me having to be an advocate so much that I actually had to hire someone to find me an appointment. I was like, I (Jessica: Yeah.) just, and I think I share that because like, it's okay, if you have to find an advocate there are there (Jessica: Yeah.) actually are people out there who will help you but not, it's important that we don't let these obstacles get in our way. Because had you done had you let these obstacles get in your way. You not only would you not maybe have the kids that you have in the life you have, but like there'll be a different story. And you wouldn't be who you are. So like how, how hard was it to advocate for yourself? And like what, what one of the conversations you had to have yourself to get along the way?Jessica Valant  I and those are such good questions. So for endo alone, it's an average of seven years for a woman to get a correct diagnosis. And not that everyone has endo. But there. I say that to say that women's health, reproductive health is there still a big mystery around it. Like we're just now finding out research that endometriosis has a connection to hypermobility, which has a connection to anxiety, I mean that we know that they are connected. And so when your body is telling you something, listen, like that's the first thing you can do is listen and write it down. Write it down so that you don't start to feel like you're a little bit crazy. Because we can feel that way ourselves like did I feel that? Did I not? Is it my period? Is it not as if there's many things that could be. So start writing it down, like "Oh, my stomach hurt after that meal that was different." Oh, this you know, whatever it is, I would say start writing it down for yourself. And so that you have it maybe to present for someone, but if nothing else, have it for yourself, listen, and just start to know if that feels right to you or not. And the first thing you do is really go to your doctor, I would go to the lowest barrier of entry, whoever it is, like you said, with insurance wherever you can go first and say, "I'm feeling these things. Tell me what this might mean." Like just have a conversation. And that's the first place you can go to see what might be next, you know, do they have an answer for you? How do you feel with that answer? It can take a year or two. So you have to be ready for one step at a time. But just make sure you're talking to someone who's listening to you. And if they're not find someone else, because yes, that I mean, I remember seeing someone in college, had these weird growth legs and I saw a doctor and he said, "You're probably getting drunk and falling down the stairs." (Lesley: Oh ...) What? And I went I went back home with my parents and saw my original pediatrician. He's like, "No," and he pulled out a medical book. He talked me through it. He's like, "This is this weird thing you have," which later I realized is kind of related to endo, I had didn't have my endo diagnosis yet. So being a 20 year old, I just left that office crying and didn't know what else to do. I'm like, "Well, that's it. I don't have anyone else to see." So just knowing that you are important enough to be heard by somebody, and maybe it even takes a virtual appointment, you know, or something. But I think that's the first thing is trying to create a way to listen to yourself and what your body's telling you. Because a lot of us have never actually listened to our bodies. (Lesley: Yeah.) Or we have, we don't listen in a positive way.Lesley Logan  We excuse away. We are, "Oh, it's because I ate that thing. It wasn't really that thing. (Jessica: Yeah.) Oh, it's because I'm not sleeping. And so I'm stressed out." And I love I want to reiterate like I love that you said like write it down. This is really helpful for me with my stomach issues because I was able to say to a doctor who gave me some weird thing like that in the ... Y'all, he said that I had he's like, "Are you sure you don't have body dysmorphia?" And I said, "I'm probably do now after (Jessica: Yeah.) 10 years of stomach issues, (Jessica: Thank you.) and (Jessica: Yeah.) my weight fluctuating up and down and not actually know what my actual body looks like." Like I actually don't even know what I suppose to look like. I said, "But I have pictures of what I look like in the morning and what I look like at night. So how, like, you can't say that to me." And he he sent me to the infectious disease unit to go get tested for AIDS. Like, an Ebola unit, everyone like that was a whole thing. And I was like, and the doctor said to me, she looked at me as a woman. And she said, "Do you know why you're here?" And I said, "No, I think my doctor is giving up on me." And she's like, "Are you satisfied with your doctor?" And I'm like, "No, I'm not. I'm not satisfied." But it was because I went to because I had all the stress. And that's the thing like the stress of going to these doctors can be really can also exasperate (Jessica: That's true. Yeah.) other issues. So having to go back to writing things down, because I had a log of when, like, what, how I felt in the morning and how I felt at night. And if it was different, I had like what I ate that day and then also when my period was and how that affected it. It allowed me to see what was more period related versus what was like actually happening when that wasn't happening? So I couldn't agree more. And yes, it's effort. But there are things like otter.ai, my team will put the link in the in the show notes, y'all, you can literally walk and talk and it will just do it for you. (Jessica: Yeah.) Yeah.Jessica Valant  Yes. Yeah, take the notes. And my other thing, I always tell every patient, women's health or otherwise, take someone with you to the appointments, if you can. And I know we're not always in this position whatsoever to do that. But if you can take a trusted friend, family member with you, when a lot of information is thrown at you, and especially when you're the one it's about, and so there's some fear with it, you won't hear everything. There it's just impossible to and you'll forget what to ask. You'll forget your own symptoms that are a big deal. I mean, how do we all know best practitioners that we have seen clients are like, "Oh, by the way, like two days later, I forgot this major part of my health history that I should have told you ..." You know we forget. So take someone with you, it will help. Practically not only to have someone to support you, but just practically it helps someone to start that journey to have another ear to listen and voice to speak.Lesley Logan  Yeah, my first assistant, and if she's listening, "Hi, Lindsay." She actually created a course for us because now what she does is patient advocacy. And she actually talks to, she talks to doctors about how to be better with patients. And I hope I'm not vipping that Lindsay and then she also had, we actually have a course on Profitable Pilates on how to be an advocate for people because as teachers as even a Physical Therapist, our clients do. And I know everyone listening is not a teacher, but like you have fa... if you have people in your life, they say things to you. And they say I don't want to do that they're gonna let me do this. But I don't want to take any pain meds because I don't want to do that. It's important that they either write that down, that's what she said, write it down, then they can take it to the doctor and say, okay, and a script, they want to put me on pain meds. Is there an alternative way that doesn't include pain meds, or having someone there to say, "Hey, remember, you mentioned something. Is there, is there another alternative to pain meds?" They don't want to be on them, because they're worried about this? Like, it's that kind of so she actually taught us how to help our clients be their own advocate, or in the case that we might be able to advocate, like, what that would look like. And so it really is as simple as like, if someone around you is complaining that you know, you've been said that a lot. So let's write that down. So next time you see your doctor, you can talk about it. So you don't forget.Jessica Valant  Absolutely. Yes. I think that's and I would say those are the three biggest things. Yeah, write things down. Find someone to be some kind of support system for you, hopefully, in the appointments if you can. And then also, don't be afraid to be the squeaky wheel. Like that's the biggest thing, do not walk out of that doctor's appointment until you have your questions answered. They are there for you. And they will also try to rush out, not on them. But they're trying to see 30 people so that they get enough insurance payment to pay their bills. That's the way insurance and medicine works. So not anything bad on the doctors, but it's what they do. They're trying to rush out. But if you ask them questions, they cannot rush out. So have your list of questions in addition to your notes, write them all down, and go down the list. And don't let them walk out of that room until you've asked all your questions. If you think of one the next day, call the office, talk to the nurse. There's a lot of great medical stuff online now where you can talk to your doctor and leave them questions. So be (Lesley: Yeah.) the squeaky wheel because that's the only way you'll get answers, honestly.Lesley Logan  Yeah, you're you're so correct on that. And you know, there is a push for them to say to stop calling us patients and start calling us clients. (Jessica: Yeah.) Because that's what we are, you paid whether you pay your is, you pay your insurance, you pay your copay, you paid. And so as a client, you know, there's just, it allows us to not that I wanted any doctors listen, I'm not trying to knock anything that you do, you went to a lot of schooling, but also like to, because of that way, it's seen as a hierarchical, they're in the white coat. I'm down here, I don't know anything. They're super smart. We do, especially as women, we don't want to be disruptive, we don't want to actually take up too much of their time. We don't want to take up too much of the space in the room. We don't want to be seen as crazy or hormonal or any of the things that have any thing about that that could be negative about us. So we tend to put them way higher up and then not actually stand up for ourselves.Jessica Valant  Yep. 100% 100% you have to. It's your body. Yeah, it's your body. It's your life. You have to live with it. And that is exactly what women think. And and that's, that is the way it is, it's brushed off many many times and so you do you have to you have to be willing to put in the work and be listened to. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that you matter, you have to know you matter.Lesley Logan  Like that could be the like whole mic drop off the podcast. Was there anything, you know, Jessica, you, you have been a Physical Therapist for 22 years. And you were I know running your own business at the time. Like, was there anything when you're going through this health stuff that like was did it keep you from doing other things? Did it keeps you from showing up in your life in any way? Or was it like kind of something you just learned how to balance?Jessica Valant  I think some of both, especially some of the emotional part, like I can look back, and there are really specific times that I had to sneak into a client room and close the door. And I was having stomach cramps, so bad on the ground and didn't know why. And I had to hide until I could pull it together. So they're really concrete times like that. And then times I was recovering from surgery that I would be teaching and tell everyone, "Hey, I can't demonstrate that move for six months. Just so you know, but this is what you're gonna do." And then there was a lot of emotional baggage, I think with it, especially during the IVF stuff that I and I just constantly knew. And I think this is a lesson maybe I learned a long time ago. And we all do it. Like, as a women, we all try to right, hide it and be like, "I'm fine. I'm fine." So there was that probably not a good part. But also, I did always walk in every time I walked into my day, I thought, they don't need my problems like my clients. That's not why they're here at all. So I didn't really talk about it. And and I didn't share it at the time, and I tried to hold it back. And now, it's been really interesting with my career different and having a chance to talk about all of it, because it is on video and podcasts and blogs. How many people relate to it? I think, gosh, there's got to be a halfway point that we do you share. Because it's the only way other people know they're not alone. Because (Lesley: Yeah.) like you said at the beginning women's issues can be win, really embarrassing. I mean, I put out a video about sex after hysterectomy. And again, so many DM saying, "Thank you, thank you. I'm so embarrassed, it hurts. I don't know what to expect." Incontinence, you know, is a big one, there are a lot of embarrassing things. So the more we can find a way to share in whatever way is natural for us. Not everyone needs to put it out in a blog post, but sharing with anyone, even just your friend down the street or a mom at pickup, it makes all of us realize we're not so alone.Lesley Logan  Well, and I think like I hid my stomach issues for years. And most people just thought I was getting skinnier. And I would wear like I would start the day and the tank top. And then I end the day with a sweatshirt and so no one saw, they were just like, "Oh, it's cold in here." You know, but then when I finally solved the problem, I started sharing it. And also because like I was actually absorbing nutrition. So I started to look like a person who wasn't walking around dying. People were like, "Oh, I feel that I have that. I have those same pains." And then I was like, well, crap, like, was I me not sharing was I holding people back from getting help sooner. Or even me getting help sooner. You know, and so, so it's not like, we should all be taking medical advice from our friends. But like, at least at least with people around you just sharing like, "Hey, you know, I'm a little, today I'm a little I'm not going to be demonstrating because I've got some stomach stuff." Like just saying it, just so people can go, "Oh, yeah," like, even if they just like becomes a little more natural to share. Like it's okay to have something weird going on. (Jessica: Right, right.) That, so it's not weird. And so that is (Jessica: Yeah.) just part of life. And then maybe doctors can actually figure out why the heck, someone that are super stressed and causing themselves not to sleep, and not go through my dis... digestion or anything else. And especially with IVF like, I had so many clients going through that. And I knew their struggle because I had to, but their friends didn't know. And so when they would lose babies they wanted they I'm the only person who knows. And I was like this is this can this is thank you. But I You need to have other people in your life who can support you through this. (Jessica: Yeah.) And they just the whole tradition of not telling anyone is there and that made it really hard. So I think like, I think it is important, even if you even if you just tell one other woman in your life what's going on just so that they can either maybe they know another woman who's going through the same thing. Or I know I'm so grateful for my girlfriends. Who are a little bit older who are hitting like menopause and they're like telling you what's going on and like, "What? I wasn't told that. No one told me that. (Jessica: Yeah.) When this is gonna happen in my life?"Jessica Valant  Yep, Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. (Lesley: I'm like ...) Just this morning.Lesley Logan  When is it ... Was I supposed to get a magazine in the mail? You know, like ARP? Was that supposed to happen ... (Jessica: Yeah. I know.)How would I have this information.Jessica Valant  I know. I was just talking to Brian about perimenopause this morning. It was so hot. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh, because I'm never hot. Like, what's happening? Is this happening? This was happening. What's happening?" And honestly, to be able to laugh about it, too, is so nice because I don't know, maybe it's our mom's generation, you know, something. It was hidden. It was embarrassing. It was like, oh, that hidden thing. I don't know what that is, I don't know what's even happening. But like, we're all getting older. I mean I'm 44. We're all getting older, we're not getting younger. And so it's really nice to walk with people who I love and admire and support and like, "Oh, we can talk about this and laugh and I'm still me." Like, I am still me. And every woman who comes to me if you've had a prolapse, if your bladder is literally hanging out, if you have to pee your pants, when you jump rope, you're still you. You're still a beautiful, empowered human being and you're still strong, like nothing changes that it's only society that's told us otherwise. (Lesley: Yeah.) So yeah, to have people to laugh with, I think, is important.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So I hope as you're listening as you're grabbing your girlfriends, and like, maybe he just like, "Hey, can we just share a little bit?" Because I even like, even just like even reading your stories in your posts, I'm like, "Oh, oh, I actually, you know, I can't jump rope right now. Why can't I jump rope?" Like I don't. Like I would go to a gym and they put jump roping. And I'm like, "Oh, I'll do. I could do ice skater." So I like an ice skate. But like the actual act of jumping rope. (Jessica: Oh, yeah.) And so I was like, that's so interesting. I didn't know that that was a bad, like, not a bad thing. But like a thing I should be concerned about at my age. So then I like went and did some research, and I went and did some exercises. And now, when my hair bun is not in, I can jump rope ,you know. So like, I think it's, um, I think it's just, it's so interesting that we're all disposed to go through life. And like, keep all these things and like this, in this picture, that everything is fine, everything is perfect, everything is wonderful. When all that does is actually make all of us feel a little bit more like an imposter and a little bit more held back. And, and because we're not telling people it is holding us back in our career. Those are, those are hours and days that you would like had to be at work longer, or you are like, even there, there were things that I did not sign up for, like when I was in the modeling and commercials, I would tell my agents, I have to do gigs that are in the morning. If they're in the evening, I can't promise I'll be the size they hired. (Jessica: Yeah.) You know, and those things are like, that was that was a another layer of stress and feeling like I wasn't good enough. And maybe I should just quit this. So you know, it's a lot.Jessica Valant  For sure. And I think too, we're told, especially by doctors and medical community, we're told that things are normal, like, you know, like, oh, I'm peeing some after I give birth. That's normal. Well, it hurts with sex like I endometriosis pain with sex can be a really big symptom. And I remember before my surgery is telling my doctor and she's like, "Yeah, it's too bad. You just need to take some Advil before you have sex every time." Like, really like I was 22. I'm like, "Really? That that's what I need to do. Okay." So we're kind of told all these things, or you're a woman that's normal. And I tell people it's not. It's common, yes, like, don't feel crazy. This is very common, actually. Incontinence all of that is very common. Don't for a second think it's normal, and you just have to live with it. Because it is not none of those conditions are normal. There are so many things we can do for it and pelvic floor physical therapy and exercise and so many things. So yes, it's common. Don't feel like there's anything wrong with you. You didn't do anything wrong to get to this point. But don't just let doctor said, "That's normal." And leave. There are answers.Lesley Logan  Jessica, that is like amazing. I really hope you all heard that because I think that that there is that word normal that is used in place of common. And if they were to say this is common, and if it is something that is bothering you and holding you back from being a human being, we should look for more options for you. And that is we had Dr. Celeste Holbrook on. She's a sexologist, and her she waited till she got married. She's in the purity culture and they had sex and it was miserably painful. And she's like, "Well, it was the first time." So they needed to get in for a year. It was painful. And her doctors response was, "We'll get pregnant and then it will stretch out. And then ..."Jessica Valant  Yeah, and they would never tell a man that.Lesley Logan  No. And that infuriated me so much because and then the irony is when she did get pregnant they had have his C section because she yeah, she had two, she had twins with C section so it wouldn't have worked anyways, and (Jessica: Yeah.) she's like, she's like these that was so wrong, because responsibility is like the thing that keeps you from wanting to have sex so then I wouldn't have been having sex anyway. So but she you know that that happened to to her and I hear these things that they say and they my girlfriend was was trying to get pregnant and I knew they were struggling. And I said, "Oh, has he gone to the doctor to get checked?" And they said, "Oh, my doctors don't want him to this is waste his sperm, they like don't." And I'm like, "What? They, is not? They don't have, we have, we have a limited amount." (Jessica: Yeah, it's us.) No. Homeboy can go put it in there and the thing and they can test it, it's not hard. (Jessica: It is enough.) And it's going to be, you're gonna still have an amazing baby. But there's good sperm and like, it gets older, like, I was, like, so frustrated by that. She's like, "I know, but that's what they said." I said, "I don't care. He can go make an appointment. He doesn't need a referral. He can just go." Like, so it's so frustrating to me, that there's always a responsibility on us. And then also, there's this, oh, well, it's normal. And, you know, it can take some time. And, and so I just I think it's, it is hard. I know you all are listening to this, and you have so many other things on your plate. And being an advocate for your own health is a whole thing. But it is essential, not just for you, but for every other woman around you that comes because you can help pave the way. You can help find the doctors and it can be from just simply asking someone, "Hey, I'm looking for another Dr. X. Do you have a recommendation?" When I moved to Vegas, we have to find all new everything. Right? And so I literally found someone who I was like, "Oh, I get along with her well." And so I said, "Who do you go to? And like, do you feel heard when you go there?" And she's like, "Oh, here's my list." Like gave me her whole list. And so I could go down that list and figure out like, "Do I like this person?" ... It at least helps like narrow (Jessica: Yeah.) down the search.Jessica Valant  Yep, for sure. And if you need to start somewhere, I actually recommend pelvic floor physical therapy. If you're having any of these things, if you're having pain with sex, incontinence, pelvic floor pain, dialysis repti, if you're postpartum, any of that kind of stuff prolapse. At a lot of times, you can go without even having to see your doctor. So call your PCP or call your OBGYN. Say I'd like to go see a pelvic floor physical therapist. And honestly, sometimes you don't even need referrals, it just depends on your state and your insurance. And if you're even using insurance, and sometimes you only need one or two visits with a good pelvic floor physical therapist, but they are going to be able to give you some good information, and they have the time to listen to you. And they'll check it all out. And that can be a really good team member to then send you to the next place. (Lesley: Yeah.) So I think that's a good start. If you already have a diagnosis, and you're just kind of at a loss for answers, and you just want to talk through things. There's some great virtual options where you don't even have to leave your house. Like this week, I probably had saw four people and I think they were all women's health and a lot of it is just I was told I have this I don't know what to do. I live in hour from a doctor, I was told I can't exercise is that true? And we just talk for an hour and give them a plan. And then sometimes I don't even have to see them again. So just having someone yet (Lesley: Yeah.) you can talk your story, someone's listening and can give you a few really concrete action items that can help to.Lesley Logan  Well, and first I've never met like a pelvic floor therapist who doesn't like freaking love what they do. Like (Jessica: Yeah.) they love me ... that's that's a very specialized thing and they go into that. And and that you're right. They they do listen. Also because when you go to that person for those one of those reasons, or just wondering if it's one of those reasons, they've seen so many people that they get to like, look back and go, "Oh yeah, I've actually had a patient with similar things." And here's like, you just like it's not when you go to a PCP your Primary Care Physician. They see a lot of people that a lot of things. (Jessica: Yeah.) So when you go to someone who's a little bit more specialized in the thing, it's a little bit easier to get to your answer or some some some sort of path to a solution (Jessica: Yeah.) that works for you. Yeah, I love that suggestion. Oh, my gosh, Jessica, you are a wealth of knowledge on this topic. And we could keep going because there's so many different parts of women's health that we could talk about, but I really am grateful that you let me open up this conversation for our listeners, because they're all women mostly. I mean, there might be a few good men in there and thank you, but they probably have women in their life. So hopefully you send this to them. And I think the more we can talk about it and normalize, talking about our health, I just see the world being in a much better place for our daughters and kids don't like all my friends daughters, like I like envy the world that they'll live in (Jessica: Yeah.) with all that information. We're gonna take a brief pause and then find out where people can find out, how they can follow you, get to know you more. So one quick second.Okay, Jessica, where do you like to hang out on the gram? Where can people go for more information to work with you?Jessica Valant  I'm Jessica Valant Pilates everywhere. Instagram, my websites, Jessica Valant Pilates, and then YouTube and I have a ton of resources actually about all of this prolapse, hysterectomy, endometriosis. You can find it on my website, a lot of free resources there. Or you can honestly just go to YouTube to my YouTube channel. If you search anything, I'll have a lot of videos there where I talk about all my experiences, and hysterectomy surgeries and prolapse surgeries, and all of that stuff.Lesley Logan  Thank you. (Jessica: Yeah.) And bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action steps people can take to be till they see it. What do you think?Jessica Valant  I think and it's a great question, especially as related to women's health. I think I've been thinking a lot about the middle meaning like we try always to strive to be the best, whether it's releasing a video, because that's our job, or whether it's to feel our best, I'm gonna feel 100% whatever it is, and we sometimes don't do anything until we think we're gonna get right to that 100%. Like, we don't release something unless we think it's perfect. We don't, you know, do a workout until we feel 100% better. And that's just not life, most of the time, like most of the time, we're living somewhere in the middle, we're not the worst, but we're not usually 100% the best. So how can you live your best life in that middle space. And that's where we all are. And so if it is as related to women's health, just know that you are important, what you have to say is important, what you feel is important, and you should feel 100%. Like you should be able to get to that place, it just takes day to day action. And it takes a plan and it takes you to believe in yourself and be an advocate to get there. But you can but most of the time is spent in that middle. So take the time to know that this is your journey. And it's okay to have this journey. And there's a lot of good that can come out of it. And then one day at a time, the process will get you where you want to go.Lesley Logan  So I love that you bring up the middle because everything is like the middle, there's actually a piece of art that Brené Brown talked about on a podcast, I heard her on at least a decade ago at this point. And she said there's a piece of art, and it's like has like a start. And then it says the middle, the middle, the middle, the middle, the middle, the middle, the middle, the middle, and it just keeps going until the very bottom is the end. And so like really, we're all trying to get to 100% but like that's, that's actually like, yes, that's great. And there are gonna be days when you feel that way and I woke up this morning going, "Today's gonna amazing. Why don't I wake up every morning like this." (Jessica: Yeah.) But also like, how do you find a middle where you can like live in that and thrive in that and enjoy that so that you're not constantly looking for the finish line. Yeah.Jessica Valant  Exactly. Like endometriosis. It's not, I can't heal it. I can't fix it. But my golly I can have an amazing fulfilling strong life right in the middle of it. And that's what I'm going to do.Lesley Logan  Thank you for being you. Thank you for being here. (Jessica: Thank you.) I love you so much. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips? How are you going to use what she talked about? What are your takeaways? We want to hear about them. Please tag @jessicavalantpilates and the @be_it_pod and do us a massive favor, do all the women in your life a massive favor. Share this. You know what? You're uncomfortable having this conversation right from where you are in your life, that is fine. That is completely normal. But even just sharing it so that you know your friends listening to it and then maybe it's a little easier to talk about it that is going to change lives around you and for generations to come. So let us know how are you going to use this and until next time, Be It Till You See It.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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Welcome to Episode 8 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel is joined by her friend and colleague Trina Altman. Together, Laurel and Trina discuss Trina's experience with perimenopause. Trina shares her personal story along with tons of resources for women going through this change of life.What is perimenopause?Doctors have a tendency to minimize women's sufferingBrain fog and hot flashesChallenges women face when navigating the medical systemFinding a doctor that spends more time with you AND is evidence-based AND is current on the researchThe Women's Health Initiative and fear they created around estrogen replacement therapy (ERT) and hormone replacement therapy (HRT).Weight gain and perimenopauseScope-appropriate advice for movement teachers working with perimenopausal and menopausal studentsGuest Bio:Trina received her training through STOTT Pilates® and is an E-RYT 500. She created Yoga Deconstructed® and Pilates Deconstructed® to show teachers how to take an interdisciplinary approach to foster an embodied understanding of yoga and Pilates in relation to modern movement science.Trina has presented at Momentum Fest, the International Association of Yoga Therapy Conference, and Kripalu. She also created and taught a Pilates continuing-education course for physical therapists and was part of the faculty for the Brain Longevity conference at UCLA. She was the co-creator of Equinox's signature program Best Stretch Ever, which utilizes the mobility stick to improve functional range of motion, body awareness, and total body strength.Trina was a finalist in the Next Pilates Anytime Instructor Competition in 2017. Her work has been published in Yoga Journal, Yoga International, and Pilates Style magazine and her classes have been featured on Yoga International and Yoga Anytime. She is also the author of Yoga Deconstructed®: Movement science principles for teaching, which shows yoga teachers how to integrate modern movement science into their classes and is published by Handspring Publishing.Reference links:North American Menopause Society DoctorsIf there are no doctors local to you, this website is all telemedicine North American Society Menopause Doctors: https://gennev.com/Research on HRT and the risk of breast cancer Estrogen Matters Menopause ManifestoDr. Heather Hirsch podcast on breast cancer and HRTJoin Trina's email list and get free somatics sequences to use in your personal practice and teaching  Sign up here for the Movement Logic Newsletter for course discounts and sales!Watch the video of this conversation at: www.movementlogictutorials.com/podcast

Did you miss out on a trip to Momentum Fest? Me too!So I decided to invite Momentum Fest founder Jessica Valant on to share all about what happened at this year's event and what the future holds.We also talked about how Jessica manages her time as a teacher, online business owner, event host and mom and wife. Talk about busy.Want to know more about Momentum Fest: https://momentumfest.comFREE GUIDE: Revenue Growth Roadmap For Your Boutique Fitness Studio Business

How much of your day is spent scheduling and just trying to fit everything into the day? LL and Brad share how they are managing their time as business owners and how to infuse gratitude into your journey. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to schedule your day as a business ownerWhen it's time for an assistant The journey is not a wasteNaming each voice in your head to addressSay thank you for each experience Episode References/Links:Ethan Kross: Chatter The Voice in Our Head, Why It Matters, and How to Harness ItFull Body in 15 registration  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:46  All right, all right, all right. Welcome back!Lesley Logan 0:49  To the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into this gracious conversation with Kellee Forkenbrock. U'm, sorry everyone Brad has has given me a lot of hand signals. It's like a fucking facement coach.Brad Crowell 1:03  ... a second ago you weren't sitting off to the left of the mic. You were actually on the mic. So now ....Lesley Logan 1:08  We're gonna keep all this in. (Brad: Yeah, we're keeping it. We're keeping it.) Not like literally he looks like either like an airplane person like trying to lead the plane in or ...Brad Crowell 1:16  If you're watching on YouTube, I'm really good at hiding. So my arm goes off to the side of the camera. And then I'm like, I'm signaling from the side.Lesley Logan 1:24  By the way it means my eyes go all the way over to the third baseman (Brad: It's true.) to the right and then I have to assume (Brad: It's true.) "What is he pointing at?" (Brad: Yeah, it's usually ...) Is there something in my hair? (Brad: No.) Is there something on my teeth? (Brad: No.) Anyways, that's ... (Brad: You're beautiful.) Thank you. Thank, you know what? (Brad: Winning, right here.) Well, actually, I'm already using Kellee's BE IT action item. (Brad: I love it.) So, Kellee Forkenbrock in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to her interview, what are you doing? Go listen.Brad Crowell 1:51  What are you doing?Lesley Logan 1:52  Seriously? I can't wait to drive through Iowa because Kellee, Rachel, Sandy BrownBrad Crowell 1:57  It's gonna be a good hang. I'm looking forward to it.Lesley Logan 1:59  Actually, Jenn Voss was there now. Frickin, we're gonna have the best hangout session. (Brad: Yeah, it's gonna be good.) And I've always wanted to know a librarian and I know your cousin is one but (Brad: Yeah) she's sorry to your cousin. I think she's my favorite. So, (Brad and Lesley laughs) if you haven't ...Brad Crowell 2:15  Sorry, you also don't know my cousin very well, so fair enough.Lesley Logan 2:18  I know. Not yet. Not yet. We're gonna we... it's only Christmas time when I see her. So, um, if you haven't yet listen to that ... what are you doing? Go back. Listen to that one. You can listen after this one. You can hit pause on this one. Whatever you want to do. But anyways, you gotta listen to Kellee because she is amazing.Brad Crowell 2:33  She's pretty much fire.Lesley Logan 2:35  She's fire. (Brad: That's true.) Also, she has two names.Brad Crowell 2:39  She does have two names, and you're gonna have to figure out why she has two names (Lesley: Y'all listen to the episode.) when you listen to the episode. (Lesley: Yeah) (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 2:45  Okay. So, at the time you're listening this Brad and I are in Colorado. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Kicking it in Denver. (Brad: Yeah) We're hanging out with some of our podcast guests like Michael (Brad: Yeah, where we at.) Unbroken and we are at Momentum Fest which is (Brad: We are at Momentum Fest.) Jessica Valant, who was one of our podcast guests. She is the founder of Momentum Fest and we're so so friggin excited to be there. (Brad: Yeah.) So it's ...Brad Crowell 3:09  By the way, it's super fun and it's not Pila... not necessarily only Pilates. (Lesley: It is movements.) It's movement. (Lesley: Yeah) So it's a ton of fun, yoga, barre, dance, Pilates, all the things (Lesley: There's meditation and everything.) Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) it is, it's an absolute blast. (Lesley: and us. and we're there.) Yeah. And then and then I hang out at the merch booth the whole time. (Lesley: Yeah.) Lesley teaches and she ... (Lesley: I hang out with like John Steele.) She corrals John Steele. (Lesley: We gonna talked to John Steele one day.) Oh, we should have him on the pod.Lesley Logan 3:38  I mean, we've already had him on our (Brad: We had.) if you're an OPC member you actually can see the coolest freakin interview. (Brad: It's an incredible.) Not even what's on my notes to talk about but (Brad: No, not at all.) OPC members have access to this incredible interview we did with John Steele. And we surprise John Steele with Jay Grimes which if you're not a Pilates teacher, you're like, oh ... (Brad: Who are these people? Yeah, doesn't mean anything.) words they don't know. But Joseph Pilates is a man and John Steele, (Brad: It's a good place to start.) it's like pseudo adopted son and he wrote a book and Brad's parents also picked up the book because I left it downstairs one year and I promptly decided to hide it when I got to the part where it just says Pilates teaches people have better sex. And I was like, "Let's just not let your parents get to that page." Anyways, Jay Grimes also does a Pilates and Jay always admired John. And so I had to surprise John ...Brad Crowell 4:27  It was an incredible opportunity (Lesley: Yeah) because we know Jay really well. Jay is Lesley's teacher. So having John Steele on, we already knew, because we had a, we had a dinner with Jay, he told us all about this book. We have to read it and he told us all about how much he admired John. And then when we were at Momentum Fest a year ago, we had a booth across from John (Lesley: Yeah) and I got a chance to hang with him all weekend. (Lesley: John has ...) Lesley, hung with him all weekend.Lesley Logan 4:54  John has a pod hat. John is one of the first people to own (Brad: Yes, he has a Be It pod hat.) the Perfect is Boring trucker hat. (Brad: Yeah) Because an 80 something year old man with a wiry curly hair, (Brad: Yeah) wearing the trucker hat and fuckin' kelly green.Brad Crowell 5:09  Pretty cool. Pretty cool. (Lesley: Pretty cool.) Pretty cool. (Lesley: Anyways ...) Anyway, so we surprise John with Jay and it was lovely. So if you're an OPC member, you get to see that (Lesley: Yeah) is part of the Facebook group. So anyway, moving right along ...Lesley Logan 5:21  Really quickly, just so you all know, speaking of Pilates, if the idea of better sex, or just the fact that Joseph Pilates as a real human being and other people followed him it has you intrigued or you are just a mat lover in general, the Full Body in 15 doors are open. (Brad: Yes) The link is in the show notes. I'll tell you it's onlinepilates.classes.com/, no, maybe it's not that, it's probably fullbodyin15.com. Brad, what is it? We're gonna edit this out? If we don't know... (Brad: It's fullbodyin15.com) Great. Go there fullbodyin15.com (Brad: Yeah) and the doors are open.Brad Crowell 5:55  Yeah. So base... basically, just for those of you who might not know Full Body in 15 is for newbies, beginners, people who are not like, you know that anyone who anyone is welcome to join us. If you've been doing Pilates forever. You're (Lesley: Yeah) welcome to join us for it. (Lesley: Yeah) But this is a beginner's program for people who maybe they're runners or weightlifters or you know, whatever yogiLesley Logan 6:19  If you've heard that you should try out Pilates but you've not (Brad: Right.) it's for dancers, right? It's not. I'm not one. It is the best thing to add to anything you already love. (Brad: Yes) And it is going to, we're teaching you how to do a full body workout in 15 minutes. (Brad: Yep) We actually teach you how to be the teacher of your own body. It's super great. If you are ...Brad Crowell 6:39  It's actually really great because (Lesley: Brad did it.) I'm such a nerd about like, technique, and, you know, like structure and all that kind of stuff. And in this in this week long program, there's three workshops there, you know, roughly 90 minutes and Lesley goes through the 'why' of the exercise is. (Lesley: Yeah) And also the 'how', the why and the how. (Lesley: The what, the why.) Right. Yeah and who, I mean ...Lesley Logan 7:06  You know, the 'who is you' and the 'win' is when we're doing it. (Brad laughs) So here's the deal. It's the it's a free program. So let's just get to, it's a free program. (Brad: free program) And if you are a Pilates professional, and you're like, "Wait, I still kind of want to go." You can come. (Brad: Yeah, join us. No biggie.) you absolutely can come. We had a ton of teachers join us last time. But this is if you are a mat, if you like literally all you have is room, all you own is like space on the floor to lay down. This is for you. (Brad: Yeah) Go to fullbodyin15.com to sign up. Brad Crowell 7:31  And if you are a Pilates person and your significant other, you've been trying to convince them to do Pilates forever, and they don't listen to you. And you think that they might listen to somebody else. You can have them join us.Lesley Logan 7:44  I... Last time we had an osteo path.Brad Crowell 7:47  We had the husband (Lesley: of a Pilates teacher) who never does Pilates (Lesley: who is an osteopath) and he watched it and he's like, (Lesley: He did it.) oh, she understands the body. (Lesley: Yeah) This is really cool. (Lesley: Yeah) And that so that there's that.Lesley Logan 7:59  Yeah, I mean, I hope he recognizes that his wife also applies.. of Pilates instructor ...Brad Crowell 8:02  I'm sure she, I'm sure, I'm sure he was like, "Oh, okay." (Lesley laughs) Yeah.Lesley Logan 8:06  It's okay girl. (Brad: I hope so.) My husband also only does it when we have a reteat or so. (Brad: Busted) ... thrown under Brad. Okay. Do we have an audience questions this week?Brad Crowell 8:15  We do, we do. We totally do. If the audience question is, what is that sound in the background? (Lesley: That's Bayon.) That's our Bayon.Lesley Logan 8:23  He's looking at me. (Brad: Yes) It's too early.Brad Crowell 8:25  Yeah, (Lesley: it's too ...) it's way too early buddy. (Lesley: too early for our walk) Like hours hours too early.Lesley Logan 8:29  No, the winter really screws (Brad: Yeah) up because I think he gets his clock wrong. (Brad: Yeah) Anyway,Brad Crowell 8:33  All right, so the question we got from an audience member, and that was submitted through Instagram, on our Instagram channel was, "How is it possible that you get all the things done that you do? I feel so overwhelmed, and it's, it's like, I need more than one of me. Do you have an assistant? When do you know if you need an assistant?"Lesley Logan 8:56  Yeah. So okay, first of all, thank you.Brad Crowell 9:00  There's a lot of questions all in one, I think it was great. (Lesley: Yeah) Thanks for that.Lesley Logan 9:03  So I you know what? I literally get how do you get everything done in my DMs on a regular basis. And if you were like, "I (Brad: Yeah) wanted to ask you that too." You're gonna keep asking, I'm gonna send you this episode. So here's, here's the deal. In the past when it was just myself and myself, and I paid Brad's company to help. I feel you, like I frickin fill you and I was so scared. I was so scared to hire. I didn't think I could afford it. I didn't think my business was big enough. I don't know who I thought assistants were for. But a lot of the stuff we actually, like a scheduling tool was like hugely essential to getting things done because you'd be surprised what technology can do if they can work like a human.Brad Crowell 9:51  Let me just start, let me just start over (Lesley: Okay) because when we met, you were texting all of your clients, (Lesley: I was.) every time, every weekLesley Logan 9:58  So you are doing that, you're not alone, I too texted. I had over six figure teaching business 20 hours a week. (Brad: And she was texting all of her clients.) Texting clients, (Brad: and ...) confiming them through text. I never had a day off because they were texting me on my day off to reschedule.Brad Crowell 10:12  On Sunday, Saturday, it didn't matter. It was like she was always texting people to book them. And then she had this hilarious like frenzy. She was like, "Hey, Thursday at three just opened up who wants it?" And then like, ...Lesley Logan 10:25  Yeah, and that was the whole (Brad: you know) thing (Brad: but) and that was annoying. And then I had a client, who was a 6am client, and he would text me at 5:45 in the morning, going, "I'm hungover. I'm not coming in." I'm like, fuckin' jerk." Because like, so I had to have a talk with him. I was like, "You, if you are drinking the night before, and you do not cancel me at the bar. I'm charging you double. (Brad: Yeah) Do not text me 15 mins before because I'm already up. I'm already on my run." (Brad: I'm already there.) I could have slept in. (Brad: Right) So anyways, (Brad: totally) soBrad Crowell 10:54  Anyway, so the point ...Lesley Logan 10:56  The irony is, he's the guy, we got the scheduling tool from. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 10:59  Yeah, that's true. So he had a scheduling tool business. And when we were talking about it, it was like, "What if all of this stuff was not something you're texting them. Instead, it was in a scheduling tool." And we worked with them for like two or three years to try to build a scheduling tool that was specifically for fitness people. And that was obviously a competitor to Mind Body. And because we were we were annoyed at it. And it was also really costly.Lesley Logan 11:30  That was too expensive. It wasn't like, I would rather have a real like human being assistant, if I was going to spend 200 bucks, I'd like you knowBrad Crowell 11:36  Yeah, I mean, you're you're managing 20 or 30 clients. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And spent $200 a month to do that didn't seem to make sense. So anyway, we, we started working with this company to build an app that we could then turn around and offer to other Pilates instructors. And unfortunately, that didn't last the way that we had hoped. And after some time, the company actually decided not to build the fitness app. And so we're like, alright, and you know, it's fine. Our business changed, our business had changed a bit at that point. So we were (Lesley: Oh yeah ...) doing things a little differently, but (Lesley: and then the pandemic) and then the pandemic, and that obviously jacked it all up. But during the pandemic, the craziest thing happened, we were approached by another software company, and they said, "Hey, we love what you're doing with Profitable Pilates, you should check out what we're doing. We would love to customize our app to do what you want." (Lesley: Yeah) And I was like, "I'm sorry, say that last part again?" So we get a chance to sit down with them and to review what it is that they're doing. And then we got to add in fitness business coaching (Lesley: Yeah) to their (Lesley: Yeah) amazing scheduling tool. (Lesley: Yeah) And that was like I wish that had been there when we were looking for a (Lesley: Oh my God) scheduling tool years before. (Lesley: Yeah) and now this is the only scheduling tool out there that has a fitness business coaching built into the app, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and it's all directed by you know Lesley, so the the anyway you you need this app because it's going to save you all of that time texting, all that time scheduling, you're going to automatically be charging people for late cancels, all this stuff (Lesley: Yeah) and what what circling back around (Lesley: to this question) to the question all of this stuff takes so much time.Lesley Logan 13:27  People don't realize like actually how much time it takes until they have to do it anymore. The the the the idea that when you go to check your text messages, your business is blended with your personal life is overwhelming, (Brad: That's actually stressful.) it's very stressful (Brad: Yeah) Brad is very big on this, we don't like he and I try really really hard not to even text each other about business. (Brad: Yeah) Like we it is like a last record like, "911. Holy get on here." (Brad: Yeah, texts each other. Right.) But um so I, if you are a fitness business instructor and you are overwhelmed, you need my scheduling tool, get in the show notes to get the 30 day free trial, (Brad: Yup) it will act as an assistant for you and it's like the fee once you start is 50 bucks a month. I promise you you cannot find an assistant for 50 bucks a month and so it's going to take over a lot of the busy work that you have to do especially the bookkeeping, the payroll, the the package can't count...Brad Crowell 14:18  Yeah, if you have a team there's a there's another level that does teams you can pay them all the things. Anyway (Lesley: anyway) but the the I think that the biggest thing is the mental space that you're going to get back (Lesley: Yeah) that you don't have to think about, "Oh, I have to remember to text this person because they canceled or no ..." Lesley Logan 14:34  And that's overwhelming like keeping all that in your head. (Brad: Rght) And you're gonna miss it and then you're gonna and then if you are overwhelmed right now, I know you, if you're listening to this podcast, you are a recovering or like still a perfectionist overachiever person. Hi, I see you. And you are going to get mad at yourself when you forgot to text someone in time to get them scheduled for something and you're like, "I lost that money." You need a scheduling tool. I promise (Brad: Yeah) you. I don't care how little you think your business It's going to allow you to feel legitimate, it's going to take your business away from your personal life and allow you to have space and grace. (Brad: Yeah) The other thing ... (Brad: ... oh, God.) Oh, I was just gonna go to the next question ...Brad Crowell 15:10  Oh, so if you if you have any interest in how Lesley schedules her actual calendar, we've got a free webinar on that that also will lead you to this our scheduling tool, the webinars called Ditching Busy and ditchingbusy.com. (Lesley: Yeah) If you want to go directly and skip the webinar and go directly to download the app, we will put that link in the show notes.Lesley Logan 15:33  Yeah. So the second question is, or the second two questions, "Do have an assistant when you need to know you need an assistant? (Brad: Yeah) So in full transparency, we all have assistants in our company, because while I have, like the tools for people to schedule with me, I actually need someone to help me schedule me for other things. (Brad: Sure) So um, so that could not be automated by a bot. Anyway. And so and Brad, same thing like he, he has, we have a scheduling tool for him. But we need someone to monitor that and also help him get things on the book.And protect my calendar, and all, you know, I double book myself sometimes all the things, you know.Yeah, so so in fact, we do have assistants, even our operations person has an assistant now, how do you know you need assistant? When like you have made sure you've automated everything you frickin can (Brad: Yeah) and you still can't get it all done. (Brad: Yeah) You need and you also need ...Brad Crowell 16:33  And when you when you feel like you're barely keeping your head above water, (Lesley: Yeah) and you've already put automations in place, because that's like, like, for example, we we had the first assistant that we ever hired. You know, she was with us for four years. (Lesley: Shout out to Lindsay.) Yeah, Lindsay, she's the most organized person we've ever met. She's amazing.Lesley Logan 16:34  Seriously, I know. And she's ... (Brad: but after ...) all of these things. And I'm like, "That girl's kid is going to be the most organized child."Brad Crowell 16:51  But after two years, she was like, "Hey," and she raised her hand, she's like, "By the way, I'm so maxed on my hours, I can't do anything else." And we went back and we looked at all the things we had asked her to do two years ago, and we're like, "Oh, you're still doing that." PS, we can automate that now. And so we took like, almost a third, maybe even half of what we had originally asked her to do. And we turned it into some kind of an automation, which freed up a bunch of time for her to be able to do the things that were actually benefiting us, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, so (Lesley: and so I know ...) automation is first and then you know, you need to then when you still like, "Wow, I just can't manage it all." That's when you would consider bringing on an assistant.Lesley Logan 17:37  And you would bring on an assistant and you didn't ask this but I'm gonna tell you whose strengths are your weaknesses. So you're not hiring another you. You're hiring someone who is like, I am so not detail oriented, literally came in with an idea to the team and I'm like, "Great, can you tell my assistant that idea and tell her to help me schedule it." And that's just (Brad: Right) because my strengths are not details, that is not and when I have to get in the details, it immediately pulls me into this like I get frickin negative to be honest I like get pissy, I like don't have an abundance mindset. So I have learned to delegate that off into people whose strengths are the details. So I love this question. Thank you (Brad: Great question.) for asking. (Brad: Yeah) Really amazing. If you have a question for us that you would like our opinion on, just DMs at the @be_it_pod. (Brad: And it can be anything.) Yeah, you can ask Brad about his cactuses. He loves it.Brad Crowell 18:27  I mean, we were just listening to Iliza (Lesley: Schlesinger) Schlesinger. And her the questions she gets are, (Lesley: Yeah) they make no sense to me why, anyway, ask them because how could she possibly ...Lesley Logan 18:40  You want to ask me about our wedding? You can ask us about our wedding.Brad Crowell 18:42  ... Be an expert on some of this stuff. But I love it. I think it's amazing. So you can ask us anything.Lesley Logan 18:47  You can ask us anything. It does not have to be business. It does not have any Pilates. (Brad: Nope) It can literally be like, like, you know, what's your favorite water bottle? Which I will tell you once they freakin pay me because I'm obsessed with this bottle everyone.Brad Crowell 18:58  Yeah, yeah, we've got a new company.Lesley Logan 18:59  I'm obsessed (Brad: They are pretty cool.) And the moment you hear me talking about it. Yes, I'm getting paid. And yes, you're gonna buy it. (Brad laughs) Anyways, I think we should talk about Kellee.Brad Crowell 19:08  Yeah, let's talk about Kellee. All right. Eliza David, (Lesley: whoa) when a pen is in hand, and Kellee Forkenbrock on the day to day, when she's working in the library. She's hanging with her kids or attending grad school. Kellee is an author, student, librarian and Mama whose life began at 40. Or so she says when she decided to get sober and started following her passions. (Lesley: Okay ...) So I'm just gonna say that again. She's got two names because one is her pen name. And the other is her real name. (Lesley: Yes. Okay.) Yeah. (Lesley: So) I know we just gave it away even though we told you at the beginning that you need to do listen the other episode but ...Lesley Logan 19:49  You know if they made it this far. Now they're in. You're in. (Brad: It's true. Now you're in.) First of all, also, I think if you buy her books on Amazon and like 99 cents and there's some free ones.Brad Crowell 19:56  Yeah. They're 99 cents, she's got one free and the others at 99 cents. (Lesley: Yeah and ...) So go support Eliza David. That's what with the z - e l i z aLesley Logan 20:04  And if you're not if you're like, "I don't do steamy romance." Let me just tell you after Dr. Celeste, and the, you know, the Fifty Shades of Grey, I think we all could use, like a little reprieve of like learning things and you know all this stuff like go let your mind wander. So, go go read her books. I think that'd be great. She's amazing. I'm gonna jump in with one thing I love that she said, which is the journey is not a waste and this one. (Brad: Yeah) I gotta be honest, I I'm a recovering perfectionist and overachiever. Notice it is inactive recovering. Because I freaking hate when things don't go the way I plan. And I want 100% start off with like, what a waste of time. That was such a waste of time or like we make a wrong turn like, "Oh my God, that was like 20 minutes." That is ...Brad Crowell 20:51  I know. I get frustrated too. When I when I mess up the directions.Lesley Logan 20:54  It just happened the other day. (Brad: Yeah) We were getting tile, you had to go to another appointment. (Brad: Yeah) And you missed the exit. And you're like, you're like so mad at yourself. And you made it to your appointment on time anyway.Brad Crowell 20:54  I did. I made it.Lesley Logan 20:54  Because Vegas has no traffic. Anyway, the point is, I'm still I believe this, I 100% like cosign subscribe, like the journey is not a waste, I will tattoo it somewhere on my body. And yet, I catch myself thinking it's a waste. And so I really love that she mentioned this because I needed the reminder, that means you all need the reminder. And ...Brad Crowell 21:27  Well, so okay, so she's sober. (Lesley: Yeah) And she didn't get sober until I believe her early like end of her late 30s, late 30s, early 40s. I'm not sure exactly. But it I would imagine, it would be very easy to go. Wow 20 years of hard drinking, I feel like was a waste.Lesley Logan 21:46  Well, we'll just say drinking. I don't want to put a thing attached though I don't know ...Brad Crowell 21:50  Oh, she very clearly said hard drinking (Lesley: Okay) in the interview. (Lesley: If she said, okay, that's fine. And ...) Straight up. She transitioned from binge drinking in college to (Lesley: Well, she didn't have like a bubble.) she said she had three phases. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay.) She said binge drinking in college to to the New York West Side martinis to the wine Mama. (Lesley: Oh, and she ...) And she said when, when she said the reason that the big, the big awareness was when her daughter was like, "Mom, you're having a bad day? Do you want mommy juice?" And (Lesley: yeah) she was like, "Oh, my God."Lesley Logan 22:25  Well, we we we have a member whose kids also pour... poured mommy juice for her. And she's like, "Is this a bad thing?" (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Right. So ... ) It was a pandemic. We'll give her a break.Brad Crowell 22:36  ... anyway, definitely, she definitely put that out there. But anyway, I think that it would be easy to look back on that and say, "What a waste?"Lesley Logan 22:46  Yeah. And you know, here's the deal. If you took it, (Brad: That I would disagree.) Yeah. And she would too. (Brad: Yes) So, whether you like if you think you took the wrong job, or you did the wrong person or you chuck the wrong route to work one day or, you know, you did something you're like, "That was so stupid." None of that is a waste. All of it, is a lessons and learning experiences. And I you know, I I think we need to be kinder to ourselves, and we need to almost be more of a observer in those times where things don't go the way we planned (Brad: Yeah) or we made a decision. We look back on and go, "Woah, that was dumb." You know, I mean, I was just had a ...Brad Crowell 23:25  It's really hard. It's really hard to be kind to yourself.Lesley Logan 23:28  Well, I was just on a lunch date with someone. And we were talking about exes. And like, I didn't say this because I have, I am so grateful. I but like she had mentioned like, "You know, I wasted all this time with these people." And I and I said, "You know, my husband and I probably would not have married each other if we had not had the relationship before." Because I wasn't (Brad: I think that's very ...) like a musican. Are you kidding? (Brad: Yeah) Because I dated all these perfect on paper people I was like, well guess what? Let's try something new. So I like the journey is not a waste, everything is setting you up for the next step. And I was just, (Brad: Yeah) "Who was I talking to about ...?"Brad Crowell 23:29  ... the successes and the failuresLesley Logan 23:36  Yeah, but I was talking to somebody about video games maybe the podcast, anyways. Basically like Mario Brothers, Donkey Kong that's a video games I played. So so sorry go back to your elder millennial days (Brad: and duck hunter.) Yeah, I did not get Duck Hunter, (Brad: Oh) because you needed it like an extra thing. (Brad: Yeah) I was poor. So um, the fact that we had Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when my grandfather got tired of it. Anyways, so you like you do a level and you learn a bad guy and you beat that bad guy and then the next level you have that bad guy but you know but then there's a new bad guy and then you learn that and then the (Brad: Sure) next level and then you get to the palace to save the fucking princess. And I frickin hate it with no save a fucking princess. Like it could be a frickin prince by the way. Anyways, we're saving someone and all the bad guys you've ever had to be are all there, right?Brad Crowell 25:00  Also her name was Princess Toadstool. (Brad laughs) That's such a weird name.Lesley Logan 25:05  Somebody didn't like women. Anyways, the truth is, is that you could not be at that level if you hadn't done the other levels. (Brad: Yeah) So whatever you're about to go up to whatever obstacles in your way, the only reason you actually have any attempt at achieving, getting past it going through it being on the other side of it is because of the journey you had before it. All the things you had before, all the lessons you learned, whether you choose to learn from those lessons that's on you. But but they're all happening for you.Brad Crowell 25:37  Well, I think it's funny. Funny is the wrong word. I think that it's when it becomes circuitous. If you don't learn from it.Lesley Logan 25:45  Can you say that word again?Brad Crowell 25:46  Circuitous. (Lesley: I don't think I know it.) ... meaning it's a circuit. (Lesley: Oh) (Lesley laughs) It's a circle as a better way to say. So you won't, you know, if you don't learn from the experience you had, you somehow, in some form, you end up repeating that experience. (Lesley: Oh) So I think a great example is people who end up dating the quote, unquote, "same person over and over" or they quote, unquote, "make the same mistakes over and over and over". It's because, you know, you haven't learned from it the first time (Lesley: Yeah) or the second time or third time. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so becomes a pattern.Lesley Logan 26:21  Yeah. Well, anyways, I guess we could talk about that for an hour. (Brad: It's a whole another thing.) Thank you, Kellee, for that. What did you love what she said?Brad Crowell 26:32  So she said, she actually had this whole conversation about discern... discerning, the voice of fear, versus the voice of reason. (Lesley: Yeah) And I thought that was, (Lesley: She's brilliant.) that was really poignant. Yeah. I mean, like ...Lesley Logan 26:49  We're gonna get Brad word of the day toilet paper for the pod, like you can poignant, circuitous.Brad Crowell 26:54  That was a really gracious. No, so so ...Lesley Logan 26:59  Poignant is great. It fits perfectly. Keep it in.Brad Crowell 27:01  Yeah, she, she. I thought this was really cool because everybody second guesses themselves, you know. And ... it like for her, she was talking about going to get a master's degree. You know, she's in her, I think mid 30s at that point. And she's like, "Really now? Why, you know, is this the right thing to do?" Her husband was excited about it. She already had kids at this point. But, you know, and then she started to second guess herself. And she's like, "Wow. Really, do I need this? Why do I," you know, and started this, like, you know, rabbit trail of why. And, ultimately, that allowed her to come through the fear and decide this is the voice of reason, not the voice of, you know, (Lesley: fear) fear. Because, like, is she afraid that no one's going to take her seriously unless she has the degree. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) Or is she going to further her career and life by having this degree?Lesley Logan 28:07  Yeah, I think that I think this is like y'all. I don't know, somehow this is becoming a shirt. Like, people like, "Oh, my gut says this." Is it your gut, though? Is it like is it your gut? Or are you, is it a fear voice in there? And I think, I think a lot of times obstacles, fear voices, they're going to come up on purpose, how bad are you going to fight for them? Are you going to reason with yourself? Are going to take time to get to know that, that the difference of it and and so I, I would love to hear if you have and I, if you have a clear understanding of the voice of fear versus voice of reason. And also, by the way, I'm reading this book Chatter, but you should name them you should have a name for the voice of reason. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And you should have a name for the voice of fear and you should have a name for that bitch in your head who's like telling you to, "You're not good enough." They should all like, they should all be named. And and you can go you know what, "Tina, (Sorry for the Tina's listening. I love you. This is I'm just picking out Tina, it came to my head.) I hear you and I'm not afraid of that." (Brad: Yeah) But thank you for that. You can take that and also ...Brad Crowell 29:13  We're gonna get there, we're gonna get there. (Lesley: Okay ..) But I think that, you know, the, the way that she decided this was a voice of reason not fear was to dig into her, 'why'. Why am I doing this? What you know, like, why go after a master's degree? Why at this point in my life, you know, why do I want to do this? And when she began to analyze that, when she began to look at her 'why', then it allowed her to confidently say, I I should do, I should I should do this. Sorry. Our dog is digging at the carpet because the carpet is clearly not soft enough.Lesley Logan 29:58  Well, but also she has with the current state of our house is because she dug it two carpets. (Brad: It's true.) And she won. (Brad: Yeah) So I just sent her a very soft hair tie.Brad Crowell 30:10  So but but she so Kellee was talking about her why, and her why allowed her to confidently make the decision. And that is something that each and every one of us can take away and really start to shake that like imposter syndrome. (Lesley: Yeah) You know that that fear based decision making. Why are you doing what you're doing, will help you confidently make the decision.Lesley Logan 30:39  I Kellee, I'm obsessed with you and Rachel Piper, our OPC teacher, girl. Thank you. Thank you for introduction. (Brad: Good choice. Good referral.) Okay, so let's talk about the BE IT action item that she had, because I have referenced it a couple of times (Brad: You have) I'm so excited about it.Brad Crowell 30:56  Yeah. All right. All right. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kellee Forkenbrock?Lesley Logan 31:04  Learn to say thank you. Learn to say thank you. Thank you, Tina. Thank you, I don't know the voice of reason. It just ...Brad Crowell 31:15  The voice of fear, the voice of reason, the ...Lesley Logan 31:18  Yeah. Name them all for yourself. Name yourself, thank yourself. Then she said thank you for the for for releasing from me from that ex. Thank you for this argument I get to have with another.Brad Crowell 31:28  Well, everything about this goes back to the the the first action item that you pulled out, which is the journey is not a waste.Lesley Logan 31:35  Thank you for that opportunity to learn about myself.Brad Crowell 31:39  Right. Thank you for you know, bringing me to a place where I realized that this is no longer serving me whatever this might be. Kellee's case, she was talking about alcohol, you know, and this is not serving me anymore. And I've become aware of it. Thank you for that experience. I mean you move on. (Lesley: Yeah) Could be changing a job. It could be firing a client. It could be, I don't know (Lesley: Yeah, I think ...) whatever, opening a new bank account.Lesley Logan 32:05  I mean, like, and also when she said learn to say thank you. She didn't say and then qualify it. So my ladies listening when someone says you look amazing. Don't say this old thing from Ross. I don't care if it's this old thing from Ross, say thank you. (Brad: Right, this old thing from Ross, awww) Or it was on sale. Like ...Brad Crowell 32:26  No, you don't have to, that's just deflection that's not actually receiving.Lesley Logan 32:29  You're literally not receiving it. So thank thank thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. First of all, thank you for listening.Brad Crowell 32:38  Yeah, thank you for listening.Lesley Logan 32:40  Thank you, Kellee, for becoming like part of our world. I or letting us into your world or I don't know, I'm just freaking excited to know you. I'm gonna go get a library card. By the time, (Brad: Yeah) you listen to this, I have a library card because I actually have 17 books. I want to listen to 17 like exact, because I just listened to an interview with a woman. She said 'yes' to the podcast, by the way. (Brad: Oh yeah) So I'm super excited about it. And it's three books about venture capitalism. And you're like, "What Lesley, I don't want to know anything about that." Let me just tell you, my ladies listening because I know what our listeners are hello to the men, but 98% of you are girls. Women identify as women. Here's a deal. We need to know how to create wealth. (Brad: Yeah) Because I'm sorry, I'm not waiting 202 years to achieve the same wealth as men. You shouldn't be excited about that. So I'm getting a library card because. Brad Crowell 33:28  They don't know what you're referring to. But yes.Lesley Logan 33:30  She's coming on, you'll know when (Brad: Yeah) you'll know. You'll know when it comes on. (Brad: Yeah) Thank you for listening. Thank you. (Brad: Thank you.) I'm getting a library card because this woman rapid, like rattled off like three books that I have to listen to. And then I met with this coffee girl, and she ran off three new books I need to read. And so I just need a library card because I refused to buy extra credits on Audible. So I'm just gonna (Brad: Yeah, I know.) go with that. And you too. (Brad: I went too.) You too, should get a library card. (Brad: You too.) Let's all support our local librarians. Okay, Kellee, thank you. (Brad: Thank you.) Brad, thanks for being here.Brad Crowell 34:01  Oh, thanks, Lesley. Same to you.Lesley Logan 34:04  Thank you for saying my name correctly. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 34:07  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:09  Thank you for joining us today. It's just because people always say it wrong. (Brad: I know.) And they and you know what if you've done that it's okay.Brad Crowell 34:16  We still love you.Lesley Logan 34:17  I'll still say thank you.Brad Crowell 34:18  Thank you for saying her name wrong. (Lesley: Yeah.)Lesley Logan 34:22  Thank you for being here. How are you going to use these BE IT actions action items in your life? I want to know, tag the @be_it_pod. Brad wants to know, he's @cactus_daddie by the way. There's a i e at the end. So, I spell it right. And Kellee. By the way, Kellee is with two e's. SoBrad Crowell 34:38  K e l l e e (Lesley: Yeah. But she is ...) Forkenbrock. You can't mess that out.Lesley Logan 34:42  Yeah. Her instagram handle if I work, recall is @writegirlproblems. Right? As in ...Brad Crowell 34:48  It'll be in the show notes because I don't actually remember.Lesley Logan 34:51  It'll be in the show notes. Don't worry about it. I remember because I really like it. So tag us both. And if you're feeling fancy tag @cactus_daddie. So we ...Brad Crowell 35:00  And 99 cents, go find some of her books.Lesley Logan 35:02  I know. (Brad: Yeah) Oh my gosh. Go get some steamy romance in your life. (Brad: Eliza David) Eliza David. (Brad: Oh yeah.) Anyways, freaking obsessed. Kellee, thank you so much. How are you going use these BE IT action items in your life? We want to know. Tag us and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 35:19  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 35:22  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 35:55  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 36:06  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 36:10  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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How have past rejections continued to influence the path you are on? What if you used the rejection instead to guide where you are headed? Listen in for LL and Brads thoughts on everything from turning rejection to success, distinguishing your balance role models, and defining a “pause”. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Updates and challenges for OPCDefining a “Pause” and acknowledging obstacles Naming the role models for balance From rejection to successLetting the Why lead you to the HowEpisode References/Links:The Body Keeps the ScoreInstagramTop Travel and Teaching Blog by Roxy  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad Crowell and I are going to dig into this persistent convo with Roxy Menzies in our last episode. Oh my God, I love her. If you haven't yet, listen to interview, feel free to pause this now, go back, listen to that one, come back on over and join us on this or listen to this, then listen to that. It's okay. There's nothing there's no perfect order. I am really excited because a couple things have happened. We have wrapped up our Control Your Balance Challenge, which was a lot of fun. We've had so many people sign up. And I just really love helping people realize that you don't have to actually get the exercise, you can actually replace the exercise with any exercise that builds you up along the way.Brad Crowell 1:28  But this one was still a fun one to dig into. I mean, this is like one of the the, I always just compare it to doing a handstand for Yogi's. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) Like that's like the, the, the pinnacle that's like the you can do everything from that point. Not necessarily true. But that's what everybody thinks about, "Oh, man, you know, you're not a good Yogi until you've nailed this move. We tried to pick the same one that people have that view for Pilates, (Lesley: Yeah) which isn't true. But still, it's the big, it's like a big pose people avoid. Lesley Logan 1:56  Yeah, either either scares people and they never do it, which is fine. If you're never like, there might be reasons why you are never going to do it. There was a person Instagram was like, she used to love it. And now because of something going on her body, she can't do it anymore. That's fine. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) Because I believe it's brave and courageous to just replace that exercise with another one you can do. So that's what we really help people do like whether they if they whether or not they did that exercise, control your balance, control balance off, they have now an exercise they can do during that time to get them there. It's like it's like people doing handstand on a wall (Brad: Right) or doing what someone where you put your feet, L pose ... (Brad: Yeah. L pose.) Like you get to do that instead so you don't feel like, "Oh, I have to sit this one out." Nope, you keep moving. SoBrad Crowell 2:35  Well either way, I mean, having, you know, all the community in the Facebook group, and then everybody on Instagram, you know, really supporting each other. And, you know, encouraging each (Lesley: Yeah) other to work through this challenging pose was a lot of fun.Lesley Logan 2:53  Yeah, it was a lot of fun and thanks to my OPC teachers, Rachel, Tammy and Mindi for helping me encourage everyone and give them tips and strategies along the way. We are also packing the van backup because we are leaving for Momentum Fest.Brad Crowell 3:07  So if you want to join us for the Full Body in 15 challenge, just click the link in the show notes here. And you'll be directed to get on the waitlist for that.Lesley Logan 3:16  Yeah, that one's really fun. It is a full body workout in 15 minutes. All you need is a mat so you don't have to have access to reformer like our last one.Brad Crowell 3:23  Yeah, and if you're if you're new to Pilates, that one is perfect for you. We're going to (Lesley: Yeah) be starting with the foundations.Lesley Logan 3:28  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so clearly I'm really excited about our trip. (Brad: Yeah) I'm really excited because this is, so we love Momentum Fest. If you listened in our last recap, we talked about how much we love Momentum Fest. If you haven't heard that, go back and listen to it. But really what I'm so excited about is we have made it a new tradition on our way to Momentum Fest. We take a little pause, (Brad: Yeah) and we like see some sights, then we work and then we see some sights on my home. So this time we are gonna go we're not camping. But we are staying in the Mesa Verde cabins overlooking this incredible National Park. We're gonna get a nice pause. A lovely relaxation. (Brad: Yeah.) Some hikes in. And we're gonna and then on our way back. I think we're gonna try to dig up our own crystals. I think (Brad: That's a...) I think Brad is researching that.) Brad Crowell 4:10  I'm working on that in, so the Mesa Verde National Park is in Colorado. And if you haven't seen pictures of that, just Google that really quick. They have like a full blown city was carved into the Butte, the site of a Butte by the first tribes here. Back in the day, like I don't know, thousand years ago here (Lesley: Yeah) and I didn't know that we had that in the United States. I have been chasing temples all around the world. And then we had it in our own backyard. (Lesley: Yeah) So we're staying there and then on the way back in Utah, we're working on hopefully finding a spot where we can possibly dig up some crystals ourselves. (Lesley: I know.) That'd be really fun.Lesley Logan 4:52  I know. So anyways, which kind of leads into this week's audience question.Brad Crowell 4:56  Oh, great. Yeah, so that question would be, "How do you take a pause when you don't have time or money?"Lesley Logan 5:08  Yeah. So I am really glad that this question was asked, because first of all, it takes a lot of vulnerability. Because it (Brad: Yeah) takes it takes you acknowledging that, you know, you need the pause. And also you acknowledging the obstacles that are in your way from doing it. (Brad: Sure.) And part of those obstacles are not going to, I think some people would say, "That's the story you're telling yourself." And I can understand that the stories we tell ourselves, I also think that that is a little flippant, and not acknowledging that some people, and I was one of those people. I didn't if I had the time, I didn't have the money. And if I had the money, I didn't have the time. (Brad: Sure.) And so if you find yourself in that position, we've been there, sometimes we're there. And so I really am grateful for this question, because I think you're not the only one, wondering how to take a pause when there are restrictionsin your ability to do that. So,Brad Crowell 5:57  So, I think first we need to define a pause. (Lesley: Yeah. Well, what's the pause to you?) Well, I think in the context, here, we were just talking about our drive. So obviously, that requires the ability to take a day off. (Lesley: Yeah) A full day off. Right. So that may not be an option. And so I think that we can change the definition of what we consider a pause. I think once a year, getting a true proper vacation, disconnecting from the way we run our lives and whatnot is really important to do. And maybe that's camping. And (Lesley: Yeah) because that's, like financially viable. If that ...Lesley Logan 6:39  That's what my parents did, we couldn't take vacations, we didn't have, I think they got us to Disneyland once. But like (Brad: Yeah) we went camping because it was $5 a night.Brad Crowell 6:47  Right. Yeah, same for us. We might, I grew up absolutely camping up and down the East Coast. Because my parents didn't really have money to take us the places.Lesley Logan 6:59  I'm picturing some of our listeners right now and going, "No way guys that cannot be the answer to my question."Brad Crowell 7:04  No, but I think the idea there is it's something that's not financially, like a huge financial burden. You know, but but what I was gonna say is, I think it's important to take a a true, like multiple day disconnect from the life that we've built for ourselves once a year. But your disconnect your pause could be much smaller than that.Lesley Logan 7:27  Yeah. And also so I think I love that question you posed like, what is a pause? I think first of all, that is like the definition of success. You need to define what a pause is for you first, (Brad: Yeah.) And then you need to look at the time and or money aspect of that pause. For me, I strip it down to a pause is you can't get a hold of me. I'm not expected to do what I do. Like if I don't want to do my morning routine. I don't need to do it. If I don't want to look at my email. I'm not expected to do it. Like a pause is everyone knows. LL is unreachable in this moment. And, and sometimes it's two hours. You know, sometimes it's like literally, (Brad: Right) like, my week got too busy. And I'm like, you know what, if I have to do that thing on Saturday, guess what? Friday afternoon, I'm done at one. Do not ask me to do anything. And I put a pause in there. So they don't have to be multiple, I do agree that everyone needs once a year where you really do get out of your like really get out of it. We we've definitely had the times where we've had the money but not the time or the time but not the money. (Brad: Sure.) And so here are some ideas for you, swap houses with a friend like (brad: ohh) literally go like go swap houses. So it's like an Airbnb, but you didn't have to deal with it. You can check in whenever you want. You can do, you can bring a dog if you want. You can have more ...Brad Crowell 8:37  Did you say swapped dogs? No, no.Lesley Logan 8:39  No, no. Swap houses. Swap houses. Some other things I would say is like, you know what we're doing to go Momentum Fest. We have to work on Momentum Fest. So that's not a pause. But we can actually make the time there. And the time back a pause ...Brad Crowell 8:51  Yeah, we can add an extra day to our drive one day on each end so that we can have time for ourselves. Yeah.Lesley Logan 8:58  Yeah. So and also, like, just when we're recording this podcast, I, I did not have five days in a row to pause. There was work that needed to get done, like recording this podcast. So I had a couple days paused. And then I had a day where I'm working here. And then we're going into pause again, (Brad: Yeah) like and it's so, just being clear on what that is ...Brad Crowell 9:18  For me when I was working my job, which was really high stress all the time. And it was like a lot of difficult energy to be around. I would take a pause every single day during my lunch break, and I would walk twice around this massive block. First off, it gave the dog the chance to get out and walk around. But also it was a, it was a relief from the intensity of the surroundings that I was in. And it was my moment of like big, (Lesley: Yeah) big deep breath so that I could prepare myself to go finish the rest of the day.Lesley Logan 9:51  I love that. So I think first of all, first thing figure out what a pauses is for you. Second, figure out what is like get creative. Maybe it's you go on a hike in a different hike each week that you've never done before, even (Brad: Sure) each month, maybe like, I really do think a pause is like you don't have like people can't get a hold of you like that, to me is a true pause. (Brad: Yeah) Leave your phone behind and go on a walk around the block. Just some other things, there are utility bills and bills, you have to pay every single month, I highly recommend putting them on a credit card that you pay off each month for utilities that allows you to get points, that allows you to apply those to hotel rooms and flights. (Brad: Sure) Because if you don't have money, or like the money aspect, a lot of the times you see me a hotel room 'points baby' points. (Brad: Right) And that's because, you know, I, I need I need to change my surroundings to get creative. And yeah, I don't always have the means to change them with with actual money, but you're always paying your Netflix bill, you're always paying your utility bills, like just put them on one of those things, and then rack them up and then treat yourself.Brad Crowell 10:55  Yeah, and I was gonna say, you know, changing your environmentc a lot of times. I used to do this all the time, I would go work from a coffee shop, (Lesley: Yeah) you know. And it might ...Lesley Logan 11:06  It's not a pause, but it's a way of pausing.Brad Crowell 11:09  It did, it was a it was a it was a change up of my work environment. (Lesley: Yeah) So, you know, and that, you know, still cost you 15 bucks or whatever if you've had a sandwich and a coffee, but you could sit there for a couple hours and you're (Lesley: You're changing environment.) changing environment.Lesley Logan 11:22  So homework, I want to hear from you listeners. (Brad: Yeah.) What is your definition of a pause? (Brad: Yeah.) And then what are you going to do in the next three weeks to make that version happen.Brad Crowell 11:34  In the next three weeks, literally making a decision (Lesley: Yeah) today that you're going to (Lesley: Yeah) incorporate a pause in. (Lesley: Yeah) We want to know about your pause.Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah. Tag us in your pause. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. I love that. (Brad: Yeah) Oh it's a fun game, we just made up. Okay. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 11:49  Okay, now let's talk about Roxy Menzies. From traveling the world teaching and presenting and performing, Roxy is now back in her hometown of Toronto, as a freelance writer and a storyteller in the realm of health and wellness. She is a mother of a cute rambunctious toddler (Lesley: Oh, I love her.) and is making it her mission to guide, educate and create safe spaces for individuals to explore their own movements.Lesley Logan 12:16  Okay, one thing I love that she said is naming the role models of balance. So this is, she was we were talking about balance at the time and like finding balance and as like, "How do you find balance, you're a mom?"Brad Crowell 12:25  When you say balance, you know, like a work life, work life balance (Lesley: Yeah) kind of thing? (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 12:29  Life work balance is more alphabetical. And also more intentional. But yeah, she so she talked about naming her role models of balance and like, what what, like Obama, Michelle Obama do and like all this stuff, and I think (Brad: Right) like insert any, anything you're wanting more of in your life, and then pick role models for, let's say, what was I listening too? Maybe I was talking to someone. Anyways, oh, there was something there or someone's like, I have a board of directors, oh, I was listening to another podcast and they're talking about Napoleon Hill. And he had his own, like, board of directors that he would talk to, they're not a real board. They're like a made up like mastermind (Brad laughs) of like people and it was like Napoleon Hill. So from, like, 100 years ago, so it was like, like, hoover and rows of and I'm gonna go like people (Brad: Right) like, like, think about who are the people that you're trying to aspire to have? What they have in that thing? Balance, success, love, money, mindset, things like that. And then have those people like actually, like, think about, like, what would they do? So that would help guide you and what you can do. I fucking loved it. I thought it was great.Brad Crowell 13:33  I love that. I but I also think the role model, you know, she was saying, "I'm a mom, and I'm a writer, and I'm a teacher and a spouse and I'm," what are all the all the things, right? And she's like, "I, I decided, I needed a role model." And so she chose Michelle Obama. And what a role model, right? Because, (Lesley:Yeah) wow, First Lady, being a mom, to the Pres... you know, like married to the President and raising kids in the White House with (Lesley: How does she balance?) like, how could you have any balance in that in that role? And, you know, they they made it through eight years of that and that's incredible. So what an inspiration, what an inspirational person to choose as a role model. So, you know, you can name your own role model too and and then you can be ...Lesley Logan 14:24  lt's like Hazel Ortega, like (Brad: Yeah) J.Lo is her, J.Lo is her mentor. Like ...Yeah. J.Lo is her mentor. Sure. Exactly.Yeah. I loved it. I think it's great. So anyways, I'm into it. And I think we should all be like creating our own like, little board of people that we're going to act as if.Brad Crowell 14:40  Yeah, one thing I love that she said was that you will be rejected in life more than not. (Lesley: Yes, that is so true.) And I never think I've ever really thought about it, although it's quite logical because I'm such a huge fan of of getting rejected to success.Lesley Logan 15:00  That's so and everything's a numbers game anyways, and like (Brad: Right) you put it, you couldn't keep, you think you're busy now, you couldn't keep up with all the, all the, all the getting everything you ever wanted all the time, you just couldn't keep up with it, it wouldn't be possible.Brad Crowell 15:14  Right. Totally well, even even so just the idea that we will be rejected more than than accepted. She was specifically talking about it as a writer and submitting her articles and, you know, connecting with, with the editors and all that kind of stuff. And she, I mean, just saying this out loud, should be a relief, right? Like, "Hey, the here's, here's the reality, will be rejected more than not." And so it kind of allows you to reframe that and look at it in a different way with a different mindset. (Lesley: Yeah) Where, okay, cool it, you know, yes, this probably sucked in the moment, and I'm really disappointed and frustrated. But it's, you know, this is not, this is this is normal.Lesley Logan 16:02  Yeah. And also, you're gonna reject more things than you're gonna say, 'yes', so just like, (Brad: Sure) just know, like, you know, I have to, I have to reject people who want to be on a pod. And I'm like, I feel like, I feel like an asshole because I know how it feels to be rejected. But also, that's part of the lesson that we all, the rejection is part of the lessons we have to learn in this life to get us to the next thing we have to do, and we just have to reframe how we think about it.Brad Crowell 16:23  Yeah, yeah. And she specifically said, she allows herself to feel the feels. And I thought that was really cool because, you know, she said, "I don't do it publicly but I leave myself some space to get frustrated and be angry and say, 'I'm so upset about this', and then move on." (Lesley: Yeah) You know, but feeling the feels is important because well I mean, I know you have spoken about this before, but, you know, if you don't allow yourself to actually feel it and express it, it doesn't mean you didn't, it's just going to be bottled up inside. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And, and like, (Lesley: Yeah.) paying attention to that frustration, that stress, that fear, that anger, that whatever, in, you know, for a moment in the moment, will really help you work through that energy.Lesley Logan 17:18  Yeah, and, and, y'all, you don't have I'm not the science behind this. But there is a book called The Body Keeps the Score for a reason. You have to feel your feelings, otherwise your body is going to hold on to it. So just (Brad: Yeah) it's important. Okay, I love her. Let's go on to the BE IT action items.Brad Crowell 17:37  All right. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Roxy Menzies? I will start off she, she said, "Get really clear on your why, and your what?" Now, of course, she again, the context here is she's becoming a (Lesley: She is a writer.) she is a writer, so but she, like in the process of becoming a writer. She said, it didn't start off that way. Where she was like, "I'm going to pursue this as a career goal." And then suddenly, there was like, a light bulb moment of like, "Oh, this could be an actual decision for me to pursue." And so she began to get clear on she on the 'what', like, she loves writing, always enjoyed writing, and then started writing, even though she's not like, didn't go to school for it or any of that stuff. But once she landed that first gig, it was like, "Oh, this could be a real thing." And then the 'why', you know, for her just guessing here, but she can be home with her, you know, two and a half year old (Lesley: Yeah) or be traveling anywhere on the world because I know that she used to do a lot.Lesley Logan 18:49  And she can influence more people with her words, and she could with her teaching and so like I what I loved about this too is like, notice the word how isn't in there? I think most people (Brad: Right) focus on "How am I going to do that?" But if you can't but how everything I learned the 'how' comes, you have to focus on the 'why,' you're doing it and the what it is you're doing and the 'how' kind of reveals itself.Brad Crowell 19:12  Yeah. Wow, that that, I'm going to take notes on that for me, (Lesley: Yeah) for me personally, that's, that's some ...Lesley Logan 19:18  Oh, made us influence Brad right there. (Brad laughs) All right, what about you? I mean, my biggest takeaway is don't let the rejection keep you from other goals. So this kind of goes on to like, she fills her feelings and then she moves on. I really have seen too often and myself included, we get rejected, and then it stops us from working on other things. (Brad: Oh, shuts shuts us down.) This is like a big extreme version of this as the people who get rejected and they just don't leave their house again. Or they like, do you know what I mean? Like they stopped showering and they stopped taking care of themselves but like (Brad: Sure) like even on like you might not be that person because you have other things you have to do that keep you getting out the door. But I think a lot of people get rejected and then they just don't put themselves out there again. (Brad: Yeah.) And so like, like they talked to someone at a coffee shop about doing something because it's like, no, and like, it didn't work. And it's like, well, it didn't work in that moment. It doesn't mean it doesn't work ever, you know, and I think reject... rejection, as you mentioned, is like it's gonna happen. And I'm really hoping to get the author of Rejection Proof on here someday, you know, because it he, he really inspired me. I had a lot of noes from a lot of people that I found really important and influential on my life that I actually know. And they told me 'no', and I, so I hadn't reached back out to them. Well, it's been a year, I have 100 episodes, we're in the top 2.5% of podcasts in the world, like, they should want to be on my show. (Brad: Sure.) So I should go ask them again. And and so, you know, I realized then that their rejection had stopped me from pursuing them again. (Brad: Yeah.) And or pursuing people at their level again. And so I think it's really important that we don't let a rejection of something in a moment stop us from other moments and other things.Brad Crowell 20:57  Yeah. You know, and I think, well, I think you summed that up, actually, really nicely. I was, I just wanted to say before we sign off here, when Roxy was on the episode before this, she mentioned the course that she wrote for Profitable Pilates, (Lesley: Yeah) and if writing for a publication is of any interest to you, and that's something that you know, to actually go get paid for. Wow, what a course she has, it's incredibly detailed. She goes through a lot of the ...Lesley Logan 21:32  It is the one of the best course we have on our site. Hands down.Brad Crowell 21:34  Yeah. She she has gone through all the challenges of starting off as someone who has had an aspiration of being a writer to actually like, going through all the steps over the past couple of years. And she she kind of lifts the lid on on on it and like how it works and what you can do to participate. So can't recommend this course more. Just go to profitablepilates.com/courses. And you can find it in there.Lesley Logan 22:02  Yeah. Well, I love Roxy. Thank you so much for being on. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 22:06  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:07  Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know, inquiring minds, really want to know. So ... (Brad: These two inquiring minds.) These two and I know Roxy, too. So what you're gonna do is you're gonna screenshot this episode, you're going to post it on your social, you're gonna tag the @be_it_pod, you're going to tag @roxyspiral. And you're gonna let us know what your takeaways are. And if you're like, "I have no idea how that even works." I get it. Not everyone does Instagram for a living. So you can just text it to a friend, (Brad: Yeah) that's fine. And you can just write into the show if you want that, all those links are below. But it's really important to us that you are taking some messy action, you're ditching perfection and you are Being It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 22:44  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 22:46  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 23:19  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. 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Mindset has a lot more to do with just feelings and thoughts, it comes down to a science. Engage with Brad and LL as they recap psychologist, Kasey Jo Ordivas and her insights to overcoming fixed vs growth mindset and how it impacts seemingly small thoughts…like cooking;)If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Fixed vs growth mindset Researching your thoughts The seven whysWriting out the feelings around imposter syndrome Episode References/Links:Kasey's Free Growth Journal promptsEthan Kross: Chatter The Voice in Our Head, Why It Matters, and How to Harness It  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:46  Hello!Lesley Logan 0:47  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life Brad Crowell and I are going to talk about the shifting convo I had with Kasey Jo Orvidas in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go back, listen to that one, and then come back to this one, or listen to this one and listen to that one, or listen to this one and another one and then come back to that one. You get to do whatever order of podcasts as you want to do. And I'm really excited because if it sounds like we're in a different room, or if you're watching this on YouTube, and you're like, "Whose five year old bedroom are you in?"Brad Crowell 1:17  Yeah, that sort of feels like, definitely. And it also may sound different than normal because we are not at home.Lesley Logan 1:26  No, actually. So here's the deal. I was supposed to be there, there's so many things that are happening in the world right now. Right? That it's like you want to do all and I believe in pauses, we believe in the power of the pause and a girlfriend of mine, Kareen Walsh, who was actually and Dr. Kelly Bender, who are both have been guests on this podcast. They were both going to be in Scottsdale while they were both in Scottsdale, Arizona for different conferences at the same time. It's a 45... (Brad: I didn't know that.) Yeah. (Brad: Oh) So yeah. So I they're at different conferences at the same time. And so they're like, "Hey, do you want to come to Arizona and hang with us?" And I was like, "Yeah, I do." So I was like, I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna go there." But then Barely Canadian was supposed to have a fashion show. And they're like, "Hey, are you gonna be able to come our fashion show?" And I was like, "I think I can do that." And then you're like, "I'm so, we're supposed to go camping." I was like, "Well, I can do all the things." So let me just tell you, if you really want to do things, you probably can make it happen. So what was the original plan was I was gonna fly to Arizona, I was gonna hang with Kareen and Kelly, which I did do. But then the fashion show got moved to June 5th, which is my Dad's birthday, so I can't do that. However, when we planned this I was like flying from Arizona to LA then taking an Amtrak train to Josh... to Palm Springs where Brad was gonna pick me up in Palm Springs to go to Joshua Tree. Anyways, then this incredible thing happened which was have an amazing phone call interview with this incredible magazine. I didn't want to miss. So then we had to like add a hotel into there. And then the fashion show got moved. So anyways, fast forward, rewind. I flew from Arizona to hang out with my girlfriends. Then I flew to Palm Springs. I'm in this pretty pretty princess room because it's the only room available in Palm Springs on a Sunday during all these festivals. And Brad is here. We're recording these podcasts before we go to Joshua Tree. (Brad: Yeah) Hang out in his cactus garden. (Brad: Heck yeah.) Anyway, (Brad: I'm so excited.) that is not what I was super excited about. (Brad and Lesley laughs) But Brad wanted to make sure, we all wanted...Brad Crowell 3:21  A little side note. (Lesley: Yeah) Little side note.Lesley Logan 3:22  We just wanted to make sure that you knew why we're in a weird space and it's not a five year old room. This is a hotel room you can you can get this but they didn't pay me for this podcast, so I'm not telling you who it is. Okay, coming up in a couple of weeks, I am going to be with Erika Quest teaching a six hour pre con at Momentum Fest, if you don't remember Jessica Valant. She was on our show last year. (Brad: Yeah) She's incredible. Brad and I love Momentum Fest and Brad's gonna be there with our booth. I'm teaching at the festival all weekend long. So if you live in Denver, if you can get yourself to Denver, you need to be going to Momentum Fest. So check that out. And ...Brad Crowell 3:57  It's a movement festival. So it's not just Pilates. They have all sorts of (Lesley: Yoga ... medication) modalities there. Yeah. And and it's also just a great time. It's just great people. It's a really fun vibe. And we've we. The first year we did it because our our friends were doing it, hosting it. And we were like, "Oh, well, of course we'll come in and support you." (Lesley: Yeah) And it was so much fun. We were like, "Well, you're gonna do it again next year. Right? Because we're coming."Lesley Logan 4:22  Yeah. And then and then we actually didn't do the next one.Brad Crowell 4:26  Well, then the next one we were out of the country.Lesley Logan 4:29  Yeah, anyways, but we believe in it so much. We sent everyone there and we have gone back every year since (Brad: Yeah) we're really excited about it. We'll have the flashcards there, we've got the book there. It's just a lot of fun. There's a solstice party. You can buy one day tickets today tickets, you can buy the pre con without coming or you can come to the whole thing. Just get your Thass two at Momentum Fest. Okay. And then one more thing I'm super excited about because it's coming up quick. I can't believe how fast this summer is going, Brad. (Brad: Yeah, I know.) So (Brad: It's already May.) eLevate if you remember if you've been listening for a long time 'eLevate' is my mentorship program for Pilates instructors who are wanting to elevate their practice, their connection to the method and how they teach the method. And our first round sold out. It's been incredible to nine month program. Anyways, we're about to open up the doors for the second round. Yes, I said second round, I'm going to do it after all, we are just confirming all the dates around the retreats, but we're taking fewer people this time. So if you are wanting to be on invited to that mentorship, you actually need to do need to get on to the waitlist, because we are going to invite those people first. First come, first serve applications. So you need to go to um, where did they need to go, Brad?Brad Crowell 5:38  lesleylogan.co/elevateLesley Logan 5:43  Great, great, so you're gonna go there to get on the waitlist? Okay. We have an audience question, I think. (Brad: Yeah) This is funny. This one made me laugh.Brad Crowell 5:52  Well, I'll, I will let you read it because (Lesley: Okay) it's about me.Lesley Logan 5:56  Yeah. So I got a question. Did I see that Brad does have an Instagram account. And it's been kind of funny, because the whole time it's like Brad's not on Instagram. He's not on social. He's not on social but Brad, did you, did you?Brad Crowell 6:09  I totally did. I was I was inspired by our publicist. She said, "Brad, you talk about cactuses so much. You should have an Instagram about that." And I was like, "I would totally do that. I'm totally doing that." And so we brainstormed a lot of different names and ultimately got cactus daddie, that's @cactus_daddie, d a d d i e. (Lesley: Yeah) And so if you love seeing plants that somehow magically survive in jungles and deserts, cactus, cacti, they all, they do, succulents as well. I'm infatuated with them. And everywhere I go, now, they just kind of jump out at me and I take pictures of them. And it's just a lot of fun. (Lesley: Yeah) So come join me.Lesley Logan 6:58  Come join him. If you want to see the cactuses. He's already been getting feedback on on his account. So (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: I have.) So you know, what? Every... no one is immune to feedback on their social media. All right.Brad Crowell 7:14  All right. Let's talk about Kasey Jo Orvidas. Obsessed with the connection between mindset and health behaviors. Kasey Jo went and got a Ph.D in Psychology to study growth versus the fixed mindset. Okay. Growth versus fixed. And that's key. It was a great conversation. She then developed her own program, health mindset, coaching certification, and started her health and fitness coaching business, KJO coaching. She's a determined woman working to blend psychology and health to help her clients develop lasting change. (Lesley: Yeah) And I just wanted to say, first off, I had no idea that like, mindset wasn't just a concept, but it was a science. There's science behind mindset.Lesley Logan 8:01  I know. Everyone thinks, it's o, it's a woowoo. But it's it's actually completely scientifically based. SoBrad Crowell 8:06  Yeah, so like this, you know, I guess it made sense to me that she studied Psychology, of course. But then after getting the the foundation her... you know, in psychology, then went on to do her study and mindset. And so that found that really, really surprising. (Lesley: Yeah) I didn't know that.Lesley Logan 8:24  I love it. I love it. Well, you mentioned this already in her bio. So I'm gonna start with it. One thing I love that she talked about, is the growth versus six fixed mindset. And I think this is really a cool topic. It's, I find that when we can, we can actually like, label something, it makes it easier for us to understand what's happening. So I this weekend had a completely, a complete moment of a fixed mindset. And so just so you know, I think we talked about this in the podcast interview, you don't just like, you don't just like get a growth mindset and like, you're done. Like, nailed it, right? Like, you actually have to keep working at that. So, so just so you know, if you have days where you like, are like abundance, like I can do it all and like, like, you don't see things as holding you back, or like you don't see someone else's success as a reason you can't have it. That doesn't mean you're never going to have those moments where you're like, "I can't, you know, or this isn't working. I'm not good enough." Like you're gonna have you're a human being. But ...Brad Crowell 9:23  Well also too, there's more than it's not like you're not like chasing the the the mindset unicorn and once you've caught the unicorn, you're good for the rest of your life. (Lesley: Right) It's also like spread out across different topics, too. Right? You may have really worked on your money mindset, let's say (Lesley: Yeah) but your you know, your confidence in yourself in dating, maybe isn't there right so you're ... it's it's not like once you got it one place. You nailed it everywhere, either.Lesley Logan 9:56  Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really important, because I think that's where like, we're gonna talk about this later on the episode but like, I think that's where impostor syndrome comes in, because you like, you feel like you're good here, but you're not good there. I see this with our Agency members all the time. They're like, "Give it, I got it here. And now I don't have it here." And it's like, right, because it's ...Brad Crowell 10:11  I mean, Kasey talked about that, (Lesley: Yeah) too. She, she's, like, you know, even after five years of studying mindset, and understanding, you know, everything behind it, the foundation of it and why it happens. She said, she still catches herself, limiting herself and creating these limiting beliefs of like, "I always. I can't. Not that's not for me," like these kinds of words that are associated with (Lesley: Yeah) a fixed (Lesley: Yeah) mindset as opposed to a growth mindset. And, and I ...Lesley Logan 10:40  Oh, I think we talked about this on Michael Unbroken's episode, like, the worst thing you can say is, that's just who I am.Brad Crowell 10:44  Yes, that's the worst thing you could say. That was the episode, that was a great episode.Lesley Logan 10:48  That's a fixed mindset. So, (Brad: Right) I highly recommend, you know, think about listen to the words you're saying, if it's can't, not good enough. I'm not, I don't know enough or (Brad: That's not for me.) That's, um, that's just who I am. (Brad: Yeah) Just explore those. It's okay to like, look, there's like, I'm not like, not a lot of foods are for me, but... Right? So like, that's fine. But, but like this, be mindful of what you're saying about yourself because that fixed mindset could be like, literally starts to limit you. And like limit you in other areas.Brad Crowell 11:23  I think this is a great opportunity to talk about the 'why'. (Lesley: The 'why'?) Yeah, you know, the whys of... Asking yourself the seven why's, (Lesley: Oh yeah) you know, like that this is ...Lesley Logan 11:38  So funny, I just saw him. (Brad: Oh, really?) (Lesley laughs) Yeah. So, so the Seven Layers to Why is from Dean Graziosi. And the most hilarious thing is I just tell Brad, "Hey, I just saw him while I was having breakfast with Kareen in Arizona." (Brad: Ha!) So like, so speaking of Dean, you weren't in that part of the conversation but now you are. It's just like, why do, his is more like, "Why do you wanted this?" Like, "Why do I want to write a book?" "Because I want to get my message out there." "Why don't we get your message out there?" "Because my message can change lives." "Why do you want to change lives?" "Because I grew up with people who told me I couldn't do anything." Like, "Why is that important to you? Why, why?" Why until you get to the whole thing, (Lesley: Yeah) which is like, I don't ever want anyone to ever live in a world where they can't believe in what they do. Like or I don't (Brad: Yeah) like it's not, you know, soBrad Crowell 12:27  It's a fascinating dive into your own thinking and this is actually something that we didn't pick as a talking point but Kasey Jo was talking about researching your own mind and listening to the words that circulate in your own thoughts and then you know, but this researching your own mind that is a great tool, the 'whys' is a great tool to to (Lesley: Yeah) understanding yourself.Lesley Logan 12:56  And you can also go, you can also do the, "Why do I think that? Who told me that?" And that goes (Brad: Yeah) like Thor. Right? When we have that guests Thor, (Brad: Sure) he says, "I can't do that." And and you know, Byron Katie talks about this a lot, where just like, it's like, "Who would you be if you didn't have this fixed mindset? Who would you be if you didn't have the thought you couldn't do the thing?" You'd be the (Brad: Or) person you can do the thing.Brad Crowell 13:14  Or what would the person who could do that thing? What would they be doing? (Lesley: Yeah) Or how would they be thinking?Lesley Logan 13:20  Oh, hey, be it till you see it. (Brad: Hey) I said hey. (Brad laughs) We can just go on and on about this whole thing. It could be, I mean, it should be its own episode, we just had it with Kasey. So at any rate, I think it's a wrap this up a little bow and it kind of leads into your thing. It is okay, if you have a fixed mindset moment, it's going to, you're human being. (Brad: Yeah) What you then need to do is explore that in your mind, in an, in writing, in conversation with others around it so that you can pull it into, so you can pull yourself into a growth mindset aspect. And what will happen is you'll get faster and faster at doing this you're fixed mindset. (Brad: Right. You'll identify it.) might take you six months to get over them but then after that you were able to in six weeks and then in six days and then it's in six minutes. You're like, "Oh what is that thought? Oh hello old thought coming back in. Nice to see you. We don't agree with that anymore." You know, like you get to there's the author of Chatter like people use their own name to talk though to themselves when they were trying to like train a thought over and it you might think a crazy person but you're not like it was actually science around that. So anyways, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with it. Anyways, what did you love?Brad Crowell 14:28  Well, I am so I'm glad we're we're digging into growth versus fixed mindset because I know that's one of the things we talked about so much on the show and in our webinars with Profitable Pilates. But one of the consistently recurring struggles that we've been told people are really digging into is imposter syndrome. And also, I mean or experiencing, not necessarily digging into but experiencing. And I know this is something that I also deal with, you also deal with impostor syndrome. (Lesley: Oh) Right. (Lesley: Yeah) And when we when we talk about impostor syndrome. I know it makes me feel small. Like, it makes me feel like like, "Oh, yeah, you know, like, I'm just not good enough for the thing, or I, why am I? How, why are people listening to me? How (Lesley: Yeah) do I have the authority to do all this kind of stuff?" And one, I want to kind of flip this, the perspective of it. Typically, we associated with fear, negativity. Right?Lesley Logan 15:37  How about we go in, people go into I see it all the time, the people we coach, or even in our OPC group, where they feel like an impostor, they go into like a shame spiral. And then it goes into a fixed mindset. And then it's (Brad: Right) like this whole thing. And it's like, yeah,Brad Crowell 15:47  Well, so I want to flip it, though, because one thing that Kasey Jo mentioned, was having imposter syndrome definitely means you're not a narcissist. (Lesley: Right. So it's not a bad thing.) So it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. Like (Lesley: Yeah) sometimes, I think it's helpful to acknowledge that, you know, we really do care about our work, we do care that we're conveying a message that is going to be helpful for people and beneficial for people. You know, so it's funny, because everything has a plus and a minus even impostor syndrome.Lesley Logan 16:23  Well, I also think like, it shows you care. (Brad: Yeah) It just shows you care. And also, it might even show you that you know, more because when you know more than you know, you don't know, you don't know. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Do you know what I mean?Brad Crowell 16:35  That's another that's another thing that two of you talked about.Lesley Logan 16:37  The more that you know, the more you learn what you don't know, and that like (Brad: Yeah) creates his own impo... Like, yeah. It is, like new level, new devil. So you know, I think I love that you brought this up, because I think it's just, it's okay to just call it out. I'm feeling or we do this all the time in the house. (Brad: Yeah) It's like, I'm feeling impostor syndrome around this right now. And then when you pull it out of your head, it's all of a sudden, like, it doesn't actually have the power anymore, doesn't mean you don't have the feelings anymore. But it doesn't have that power. And then you can actually talk about it. And sometimes it can feel really silly, or sometimes it can go, "Oh, it's because I'm not doing this thing over here. Because I'm not doing this thing over here. I have impostor syndrome about this because I don't feel authentic. Okay, so know I know what I need to work on."Brad Crowell 17:21  Yeah, yeah, I mean, and, and one thing you can do is actually write this down. Because I find it a lot easier when I'm looking at something is, then I can, kind of analyze it from the other side. But this is all mindset, right? Like, when you when you're receiving something in and it's negative, well, how do we from an objective perspective, like third party? What if you could stand on the side of yourself and look at this happening to you? How do you look at it and see what could be positive about that? Right? So if you're experiencing impostor syndrome, in a way of like, "I don't know why I'm the one that was picked to teach this class" or something like that, write that down. And then I think that will allow you like, "I don't know why I was picked for this," you know, then it will allow you to go, "Maybe I was picked for this for something else." And you can kind of see that. (Lesley: Yeah) When I'm, when you're looking at it, I find it's easier. And it's this is a very strange internal dialogue. And it's only really started to be available since I started doing journaling. Because I've never really written things down, especially my feelings in that way. Or like what I'm struggling with or worried about. And you know, it when you're just writing it out, suddenly, you can can say, "Alright, well, what if, what if this was a positive for me instead of a negative? How does that look? What is that actually?" (Lesley: Yeah) And then you can focus on that.Lesley Logan 18:52  Yeah, and maybe, maybe write down the questions you're gonna ask yourself, when you're having impostor syndrome, when you're not having it so that you have this list next to your desk. So it's like I don't like then you can like go through the questions that work for you. I really liked that.Cool!All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that you covered with Kasey Jo Orvidas. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? I will jump in right here. And we, I kind of already hit hinted at this actually looks like I ended up both of ours. But researching your thoughts. We were talking about those seven why's. Where did this thought come from? So if you this is the fixed versus open growth, sorry, growth mindsets, right? Where did that thought come from? Was that like something you inherited from a family member or from a teacher from another friend of yours, from an experience that personally happened to you? Why is that thought there? Is that thought really true? What is the evidence for that thought being true? What is the evidence against that thought? And then, you know, be basically like, a researcher of your own mindset, your own mentality. You know, why are you doing the things that you're doing and, and be willing to actually look at it?Yeah, I really love that. I mean, we did this when we were doing the Artist's Way. And like, (Brad: Yeah) I like was like, "Oh, I don't cook." Because of this one time, my grandfather yelled at me about how I made a grilled cheese sandwich. Is that really like, what stopped me from learning how to cook?Brad Crowell 20:34  And also, (Lesley: Like so silly.) Well, it's also, you know, funny, because I think that is a fascinating example. In that you never told me that story before. (Lesley: I know.) And we'd been married for a long time. And I never heard that. And suddenly, through the process of journaling, you were like, "I just remembered something. (Lesley: Yeah) And I wonder, I wonder if this is part of my mindset (Lesley: Yeah) around cooking."Lesley Logan 21:03  Yeah. And you know, I mean, like, and I know that sounds like the Lesley it's just cooking. It's like, yeah, but that stop, that has stopped me from cooking for years, y'all. Like, we're talking Brad goes away. And I'm like, "I think I'm have some almonds for dinner. I think that's good. That's good." (Brad and Lesley laughs) Thank God for Postmates. Okay, here's me ...Brad Crowell 21:23  Well, I just want to give you to a little shout out since discovering that. What were the action items that you took?Lesley Logan 21:31  Oh, I started cooking a new recipe a week from this new co... from this cookbook from a restaurant that I love in Siem Reap. And I would have cooked a new recipe this week. But Brad cooked my cauliflower. And that was supposed to be for cauliflower bites. So we will we will start that when we get back. We will, I will put all of a big fat post it note, "Don't cook this head of cauliflower. It's for my new experiment."Brad Crowell 21:53  That's so funny. I didn't know that. But but but the reason I wanted to keep talking about this is because you identified it. Right? And then you talked about it. And then you made a, you made a decision. (Lesley: Yeah) And you took action and ...Lesley Logan 22:10  Well, it goes into my my BE IT action item. It says, "Write it out. What can you start today?" (Brad: There you go.) And thank you for setting me up for that. (Brad laughs) And so what, that's what I did, like I was like, "Okay, how.." Like, "How can I start something small today?" I don't want to take a cooking class, you all. Like I know I'm on a hobby hunt. That is not something I want. I don't want that kind of pressure. I just wanted it to be fun and easy. And so the first thing I made were these like fudge brownie, there's suppose to be balls, but I made them bites and they are amazing. And so it was like what I looked at all the recipes that I looked at which one would be the easiest one to start with. I did not take on, there was this one that I was like, "I love that recipe." But I didn't take it on because it was like a little bit outside my element. So I took on what I could and so I did write it out. I did look at it. And I thought about like, "Okay, what are some ways I can make this happen?" And you know, we have a lot of people who talk about writing things out in their BE IT action items. And this one was really specific. What can you literally do starting today? And so I feel like that's an even better BE IT action item then just to write it out. It's like, what is it that you can do right now? (Brad: Yeah) Because if you start writing out like, "Oh, I actually could start that one." And like you keep going, you end up getting a step that you can take. And it's going to actually tell your brain, "Oh, growth mindset. I'm taking a step forward in this." (Brad: Right) It's going to be the antidote to fear we talk about in every one of these episodes ...You got the micro win (Lesley: Yeah) that helps you celebrate, (Lesley: Yeah) that helps your mindset. (Lesley: Yeah) Gives you confidence.Yeah, so I've actually like I have I have also been making my own lunch now. Like every like Brad is not (Brad: Yeah) watching me go.Brad Crowell 23:46  And it's actually a real lunch.Lesley Logan 23:47  It is a real lunch. It is, we have more dishes to do every day now. So anyways, that's the other side of that. Well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 23:56  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 23:57  How are we going to use these tips in your life? Let us know. I want you to screenshot this episode, tag the @be_it_pod, you can now tag @cactus_daddie, can also tag @coachkaseyjo with your takeaways. Please do this. So we know what you're doing. We want to celebrate you. We want to be cheerleaders for you and your DMs because we know how much you need that. I need that. We're all human beings. It's okay to need people to high five you for what you're doing. So tag us and let us know how you're gonna do this and share it with someone else who needs this. If you have a friend in your life who's like, "Ooh, we got to fix mindset that's driving me nuts." Just send them this episode and it'll just you don't have to say anything. It'll just nudge him right along. So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 24:36  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 24:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 25:12  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 25:23  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 25:28  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 25:36  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can. Brad Crowell 25:49  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. 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In this week's episode of the Pilates Business Podcast, we are talking to a special guest, Danica Kalemdaroglu. She is presenting a workshop at Momentum Fest in Denver this June, which will teach techniques for cueing Pilates clients with touch. Danica shares the language of Pilates with us but that's not all! 

Everyone has a story to share and in celebration of the upcoming Momentum Fest event in Denver from June 24-26th I'm speaking with some of the presenters about their journey in the Pilates world.Breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer among American women, which means chances are, you will serve clients who are facing and fighting the diagnosis. Jill Hinson founded the Core Compassion Project after her very first pilates client received a diagnosis of breast cancer. In her search for how to help this client and multiple others fighting, she spent 7 years studying and creating a fitness program that would become The Jill Hinson Method for Breast Cancer. Core Compassion Project is dedicated to offering Pilates scholarships to breast cancer patients in order to reduce the side effects of breast cancer treatment.In this episode, she shares info about the class she is leading at MomentumFest and her inspirational story that is helping heal lives impacted by breast cancer. Learn more and support Core Compassion Project

Everyone has a story to share and in celebration of the upcoming Momentum Fest event in Denver from June 24-26th I'm speaking with some of the presenters about their journey in the Pilates world.In this installment of the Momentum Fest series, I am speaking with Delia Buckmaster, owner and founder of Delia Pilates®. In 2005, she opened her studio, introducing boutique fitness programs to northwest Montana well ahead of big city trends.Since then, she has been a recognized leader in the Pilates world, spreading her love for the practice far and wide as an international speaker and presenter. Delia's insights are sure to inspire so tune in and see what Delia has to share.Check out Delia Pilates®

Jill Hinson NCPT, is the Founder of Core Compassion Project, a 501(c)3 nonprofit offering post-rehab Pilates scholarships to women and men battling breast cancer. Jill currently serves as Executive Director, and is also owner of Core Studio Pilates in Indian Trail, NC. Jill founded the nonprofit when her very first client received a diagnosis of breast cancer. In her search for how to help this client and multiple others fighting, she spent 7 years studying and creating a fitness program that would become The Jill Hinson Method for Breast Cancer. Jill has published two books, The Jill Hinson Method for Breast Cancer and The Jill Hinson Method for Breast Cancer Teacher Training Program. Core Compassion Project serves multiple women in the Charlotte, NC and Denver, CO areas, each receiving ten private Pilates sessions with a qualified Pilates teacher. The nonprofit is currently expanding into other studios across the United States now offering fitness bras and lymphedema sleeves in addition to Pilates . Jill has presented her work at Momentum Fest, has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine, and seen in SHAPE Magazine for TRX®.Topics discussed: •What is the Core Compassion Project and how and why you founded it•Benefits of pilates for women going through breast cancer•physical needs of women going through and recovering from breast cancer•Moving the lymph system promotes healingMeet your hosts:Sue McCarroll is the founder of Opal Wellness Studio and Caitlin Hatzenbuhler is the founder of Conscious Core. Caitlin and Sue have their unique styles of coaching women to increase self-care, self-compassion, navigate busy mom life and nourish their bodies mentally, emotionally, and physically. You can learn more about Sue at https://www.instagram.com/opal_wellness_studio/and Caitlin at https://www.instagram.com/conscious_core_caitlinThank you for listening! Please take a moment to subscribe and review.This supports the Well2You Podcast in reaching more people who need to be connected to these impactful conversations.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/well2you-podcast/id1547156150?i=1000504170074 https://open.spotify.com/show/7AE1vZFmBoxPvYfn5Abr1T?si=RjrXrOWoToKvZ5bmCcJSgw https://www.well2you.org/well2you-podcast

A conversation that is zippy, energetic, and fancy… Or maybe it was exuberant, productive, and joyful? Listen to LL and Brad to find out how you shift your paradigm to design positive experiences for yourself and have some fun choosing your daily adjectives. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Future pilates tours/retreat plans Giving yourself permission to design the experience you enjoyIntentionally sculpting your routinesShifting your paradigmChoosing your three adjectives for your day Episode References/Links:The G+A CourseFree WebinarOnline Pilates Classes Retreats OPC FlashcardsOPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the transformative convo I have with Mallory Gott in our last episode. (Brad: Yeah, we are.) If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. I mean, you know after you, if you ... if you did listen to Mallory, you get to do things based on how you feel. So, whatever you're feeling say, you get to create that, that journey. So ... (Brad: That's true.) I freakin' love her. I'm so, so glad that we get to know her and have mutual friends and we even get to spend the holidays with her briefly. I got to see a clip of Die Hard which made me go, "Maybe I should watch Die Hard." (Brad laughs) So anyways, um, uh, y'all, I had a birthday.Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, happy birthday!Lesley Logan 1:30  Mm-hmm. And usually I do a big, choose your own adventure birthday party, but since the pandemic, I pretty much stopped doing that. In fact, this year, I told Brad, he "I want to have a birthday. I want to get overdressed. You have to plan it." So (Brad laughs) anyways, he did and since we record this early, I did have a birthday. I have not experienced it yet. So full disclosure, I don't what we did.Brad Crowell 1:51  And "Brad planned it" in the future past tense that (Lesley: Yeah) (Lesley laughs) this has been recorded. (Lesley: But ...) Brad's swears, Brad planned it.Lesley Logan 1:58  Yeah ... I this is like like, just subliminal, like just "Brad's planning it. Brad, Brad's planning. Brad's planned it." (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: We're almost done) Talk about Be It Till You See It, I'm just making birthday happen without me planning it. And also super fun. The scheduling tool that we partnered with Pocket Suite is officially out. So the Profitable Pilates edition is out.Brad Crowell 2:19  So fired up. Yes, (Lesley: Oh my God) this is amazing. (Lesley: this is amazing) If you are a business owner of any kind that has to deal with clients, and you have to send invoices or schedule, you know, dog walks, it doesn't matter, you can use this tool to do it. Obviously, we've geared it towards Pilates people because that's who we that's, that's mostly our (Lesley: ... Yeah) history here. But it's it's really a flexible tool and is ... it is amazing.Lesley Logan 2:48  All of my coaching advice on there can be, can be geared towards any service based business. So enjoy, super fun. And we we I my favorite webinar to teach is on scheduling, like, how to schedule your life and have ... it's not air quotes, balanced, hard word for me because, you know, there are different seasons to your business, if it for honest, but a lot of people like to know how I get things done. So, I scheduled or schedule, I created a workshop free webinar on how to schedule your life with all your priorities in it. And it also talks about this amazing scheduling tool, and that webinar is free. And you can watch the replay.Brad Crowell 3:25  Yeah, the replay will be available for you. You can just go to profitablepilates.com/... Let's make one up here, profitablepilates.com/ (Lesley: gemstones) Yeah, gemstones it is. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's weird. If you don't know what that's referring to, you're gonna have to watch the replay.Lesley Logan 3:50  Clearly haven't watched the webinar. (Brad laughs) So, I'm all about, I'm all about gemstones.Brad Crowell 3:54  That link will be in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah) And the ...Lesley Logan 3:59  But it is a free, it's a free webinar that I, I will teach you these things and people love that. It's like a dream schedule webinar. And then at the end, we go over the free tool, so you can get both.Brad Crowell 4:10  Yeah, so if you've ever heard me jokingly refer to a Swiss cheese schedule. That that this webinar will help you resolve clients that are booking at nine in the morning or nine at night. Or you know, "Oh the only time I could take them is 6pm on a Sunday when it's my day off," you know, so you'll you this is a ...Lesley Logan 4:34  For my vegans listening a Swiss cheese schedule is a block with holes in it. (Brad laughs) So block of time and there is a hole in it.Brad Crowell 4:41  Imagine your calendar is the (Lesley: Yeah) Swiss, the Swiss cheese ...Lesley Logan 4:44  Yeah, yeah. And that's that's really annoying because like I had a Swiss cheese kind of morning this morning and I was like not enough time to start anything. (Brad: Right) It wasn't enough time to do anything and I wasn't hungry yet. So like this ... "What am I doing?" (Brad laughs) I'm gonna go look at the cactus. (Brad: why is there cheese?) Anyways, so profitablepilates/gemstones. You heard that here. Okay, so last friggin' thing I'm excited about, (Brad: Coming up) you're hearing about a lot because I'm I'm gonna shout from the rooftops until this happens and here's why. Too many people either are afraid to start Pilates because it's weird and they think it's weird and they're new. They don't want to do it wrong, or you've been doing Pilates but you just don't get it. And I'm on a mission "More bodies doing Pilates." So the full body in 15 is a week long program, where I'm going to teach you how to do a full body Pilates workout in 15 minutes. You can pair it with any of your other workouts you already do and enjoy or go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/fullbodyin15.Brad Crowell 4:44  Yeah, and that is kicking off on the 20th of Feb. (Lesley: Yes. Oh my gosh) So, join us. There's gonna be some live, some replays all the things but yeah (Lesley: Yeah) coming up.Lesley Logan 5:47  Okay, what is the audience question love?Brad Crowell 5:49  Okay, great question. Obviously, something that we love, and we're very passionate about. Question was when are we going back on tour? (Lesley: I know. Um ...) That is a good question. (Lesley: Great question. So that's ...) To which we we know we have at least one answer, (Lesley: Do you remember ...) which would be ...Lesley Logan 6:07  on sitcoms when they put the TO BE CONTINUED at the bottom. ( Lesley and Brad: da da da da) Here's what I do know. We are ... (Brad: To be continued) we are going to be heading out on an awesome little adventure in the summertime to go when I'm teaching at Momentum Fest. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) So we will be heading up at least Colorado. And we have not decided if we're adding on to that because June is actually a very busy month. (Brad: Yeah. It's kind of, we got a bunch of things going on.) It's like three trips in four, I don't even understand. So, I don't know if we'll be able to add anything to that. So just definitely come to Momentum Fest. We will for sure do one in the winter, as far as the cities that we're going to do. You know, shoot your city out. I know for sure we're gonna go to Rhode Island because we promised them that last year, so we ...Brad Crowell 6:51  I'm I'm trying to get us back to Fort Wayne, Indiana during the summer. (Lesley: What? Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah) So that we, we can do a sweet water appearance as (Lesley: He's trying really hard) that would put us, that would put us coincidentally near Chicago, potentially. So ...Lesley Logan 7:10  Well, I rather do Chicago in the summer than in the winter. Um, so no offense my Chicagoans. If that's the word. It's so freakin' cold. (Brad: I think it's a word) It's just too many cold cities on the winter tour. I really like the Southern part of our tour because it's hot, hot, hot. So (Lesley laughs) But anyways, for sure winter, we do want here's in the dream world, we would do a West Coast tour, and then some sort of Summer Tour somewhere. And to get the Upper Midwest, we've been promising them (Brad: Maybe even up into Canada.) Yeah and to Canada, and then the the winter tour. However, I'm really holding out for retreat. And so I ... (Brad: Oh we are), I have a hard time planning a tour until I can get my retreats back up. So just stay tuned. And you know, we can make the winter tour as long as we need. So just throw us your city out there.Brad Crowell 7:59  In fact, fingers crossed that I can get back to Cambodia here in March into April to prep the retreat space (Lesley: Mm-hmm) because if all does go well, we hope to have a retreat in the fall (Lesley: the fall) into potentially into the winner of this year. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) So if you have if you've ever thought about Cambodia, you can go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/retreats. Almost positive that's the link ...(Lesley: You just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com) We'll put the link to get on the waitlist (Lesley: and you can see ...) or retreats in the show notes.Lesley Logan 8:34  All the things that are Pilates. You can't see anything that's business you got to go to profitablepilates.com for that. But anyways, I love this question. Thank you for asking it. You know, there's only so many days in the year and I'm we are really trying to make sure that we hold space for a potential retreat before we put anything on the books because I really am after two years of all this. I don't want to cancel anything anymore. So (Brad: Yeah, I'm over ...) I'm over the emails for that and so far 2022 has been canceled free. I'm trying to keep it that way. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) Okay. Let's talk about Mal.Brad Crowell 9:06  Yeah. Okay, so exciting. Let's talk about Mallory Gott. Mallory Gott or Mal is the founder and creator, creative director of G+A, guiding clients through experimental design. She helps give people the opportunity to change the experiences they're having by redesigning based on feeling (Lesley: feeling) which I find really interesting. She is against cutting veggies. She's a lover of Mad Libs and is a fellow Vesta coffee roaster, lover because she's here in Vegas.Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah, I know. We got to talk about that. If you didn't listen to the last episode. The end is really fun. (Brad: She gave Jared a shout out.) I know, Jared our neighbor. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. We're actually drinking your coffee right now. (Brad: It's true.) (Brad laughs) Okay. So, in fact I ordered, posted mates yesterday, just so I could have the coffee beans delivered and it was glorious. And I was like, "Gosh, this is the life." Okay, so one of the things I love that she talked about was giving yourself permission to design an experience you enjoy. And I, I think, first of all, she literally embodies Being It Till You See It. This is how she trains every one of her clients like everything they do, they're being the thing that they want to see at the end of whatever the project is. And so that's actually what caught my eye towards her and in her be on this podcast. But we always talk about like, other people have said, "Give yourself permission. Give yourself permission." Thor talked about gotta give yourself permission slip, but this (Brad: Right) is like, I think we get caught up on like some... if something is hard work that it's going to be hard to do. And we like can put, we can put feelings toward something and then the experience and what you think about it, it changes you and how you want to show up there. So she's like, give yourself an experience to design a community you enjoy. So what would make the thing you're doing more enjoyable? And how can you do that for me in the morning, like, I like to put all of our what do you call them. Brad Crowell 11:11  You're really good at this by the way. Like I know that you you like intentionally sculpt your morning in a way that allows you to be set up for the day. (Lesley: Mm-hmm)Lesley Logan 11:23  (Brad: And I am ... ) Tell me more about myself. (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs, no). Brad Crowell 11:27  I admire that because that's the opposite of how I do my day.Lesley Logan 11:31  I know, I walked in the house and I was like, "Oh, he hasn't event poured coffee yet. Oh, the dog hasn't had breakfast. But did he just get up? What's going on here?"Brad Crowell 11:37  No I'd been up for awhile (Lesley: Yeah) just my morning changed completely.Lesley Logan 11:41  So I do, I do wake up early in the morning because I want I'm very intentional about the how that and that is a permission that I gave myself. I gave myself more permission of space and have a morning that doesn't have stress, or I don't like to be rushed in the morning. It really makes me anxious. That feels like the day is going to be anxious. So I give myself permission to have lots of space, which does require some planning. But one of the other things I really have been doing is like getting the was like some sort of like luxury or I don't know what I was thinking. But I actually stayed at Allison's house. And she would like do her little oil infuser. Right? And every like it would turn off and she put oil on because I'm like, "Oh, this smells so good." And so I literally gave myself permission to every morning put all the oil infusers on the house and now we've got three that are just going and then I have another one on the other... And I love it because the whole house smells fresh. And it smells like the way I like it. Brad doesn't always like it but I like it.Brad Crowell 12:38  It's actually really pleasant for me and it's definitely it's a positive experience. I also am amazed that you find the time to set those up everyday. (Lesley: Okay, so here so ...) Like we make the time to make the coffee because we go, "I need the coffee."Lesley Logan 12:56  You all. You want (Brad: What?) to hear how this is working out for me. Okay, this is all uh, this is all routines and habits you have to get really good at but obviously celebrate you can take my habits webinar on that however, here's the deal. I have a routine we come in from the dog walk, run, whatever it is. And while the hot water is heating for the coffee, (Brad: hmm) I feed the boys some... sometimes there's one or the other ones bowl just sits there. Then after I do that they're not staring at me anymore. Then I have the water pitcher that I take to the three diffusers with the oils are already next, they are already set up, they're already there. Okay, and then the hot water is done and I make the coffee and then I do my next thing which is usually either Pilates or my peloton or something else that is like breath work. For me still because that coffee takes 10 to 15 minutes do its thing. So it's not ready yet so I just do something else for myself and then that's that's how I find the time, you can't watch water boil. They literally say that. Anyway. Brad Crowell 13:57  It's like paint drying. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) Or it's like cactus is growing.Lesley Logan 14:02  But I also just like once I saw someone do it and sometimes it takes you seeing other people do it so do search for evidence for the permission you wish to give yourself but once I saw someone doing it looked like it didn't, it took her 13 seconds and I was like, "Oh I really want to have an enjoyable morning." Like the morning to me sets up the whole workday and well that way when I walk out the office and into the kitchen the house smells like it's been lived and cared for and I want the house to smell like that because I want the experience I have each day to be like I'm not doing this just to like slave at my desk all day. I'm doing this because I want to I get to live in this enjoyable place. So anyways permission granted ...Brad Crowell 14:38  Well this this rolls right into the thing that I really loved which was shifting your paradigm. Like how you see the things that you have to do. And because giv... so giving yourself permission first off, what you did was almost the BE IT action item. What (Lesley: Yeah) you're talking about here with the with the changing your environment, you're literally putting on a thing that is, it's like, it's like putting the the crystal with $100 bill in your drawer, (Lesley: Yeah) where where you open it and you go, "Oh, yeah, right, I'm going to focus on that today." Changing the, this the the olfactory, you know, scent of our kitchen, when I walk in in the morning, I'm like, "Oh, I like being in here." Right? And that is a very simple action item thing to do. But the permission part of it is, I think it's funny, because we get so sucked into the hard thing that we forget to be objective about it and go, "Hey, I know this is hard but does it have to feel hard?" (Lesley: Right) You know, maybe it doesn't have to feel this hard. And, and so that's the per... you have the you can give yourself the permission to look at it in a different way. But that's tied into the shifting of the paradigm, right? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) My mom used to say, "Have to do before want to do. Have to do before want to do." Right? I mean, it was like, I don't know, she must have said it to me a hundred ... a hundred times, a thousand times growing up, I think, I mean, I heard that for... forever for my entire elementary school, middle school, probably even in the high school. In high school, she kind of shifted to "You're putting too much in one day. You're putting too much in one day." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 14:58  Brad put too much in one day? (Brad: No) Never (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:27  But you know that, you know, then then it was like, "Oh, I gotta do my chores around the house before I can go out to play" (Cries) and I would be angry about it. Right? And I think that there's this shifting of the paradigm and what Mallory was talking about, which I thought was really cool is, what if instead of it being like, "Damn it, I have to vacuum the stairs before I can go run around," got shifted to "I get to go run around after I vacuum the stairs." (Lesley: Right) And that I think is really shifting the paradigm. It's just again, like looking at it from the other side of the coin, as it were, you know, where you get to, to you still have to do thing. (Lesley: Yeah) But now instead of it being this really frustrating, angry experience. It's, you know, you're you're dwelling on the the thing that you actually want to be doing anyway. And this you just got to do this so that you can go do that. (Dog barks)Lesley Logan 17:29  Yeah, I um. I think, you know, I love that, that you grew up with that. I think there's also like, it's if you only hear people in your life complaining, it becomes a it does feel a little hard to be the positive polly around. (Brad: positive polly) (Brad laughs) One of our guests, he's coming up next week, he said, "You two must annoy the hell out of people. You're like so positive." (Brad laughs) And I was like, "Do you think we do?" And I do, I think people get because like we when bad things happen. People want to like roll on the ground with us. And we're like, "It's fine" cause what are we to do. Everything happens for us. It's fine." Also, because suddenly we didn't like feel the crap. We just felt it and we moved on. We're like, "How do we do this?" And so I do think it's that the if you can make your shift in the paradigm your superpower. You can change your course quickly. And like the life you want to have is going to happen so much faster. SoBrad Crowell 18:21  Yeah, well, it sounds like Mallory is the queen of shifting your paradigm. (Lesley: She's so good) So, super cool.Lesley Logan 18:27  Yeah, she's so chill. Okay, BE IT action items, (Brad: Yeah) break it down because she had these like three that work together.Brad Crowell 18:33  Yeah. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that can you do, can we take away. Sorry, from your convo with Mallory Gott? Well, right out of the gate, she said, "Decide how you want to feel." (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And that I think is not the way that most people focus on the thing they have to (Lesley: no) do. Right? She says, "Choose how you want to feel around the thing that you want to do." Maybe you have to do but you can still you still control how you feel. And she said to pick three adjectives about your day like that you want to experience and then how can you apply those adjectives to the things that you have to do?Lesley Logan 19:23  Yeah, I think that is really, really fun. I'm just googling adjectives right now because (Brad laughs) if you're like me, and you're good memorizer to take the test and then you're like, (Brad: You have the descriptor.) ... Yes. So a word or phrase naming an attribute, added to or added to or grammatically related to a noun to modify or describe it. So you're the noun and and whatever you want to attribute to how you are in the moment of the thing. So that makes that makes me excited. You can actually Google like adjectives and like, there's like a bunch of sites that like 150 adjectives, you know, like you can pick them. So if you are like ...Brad Crowell 20:01  I also think that it doesn't necessarily need to be like, like exclusively an adjective you could pick joy. I don't think joy's an adjective. (Lesley: I know you but you could also though I want ...) I guess joyful would be an adjective.Lesley Logan 20:13  Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's I found a site that 150 of the most common. I'm going to be honest, this has a lot of like, depressing ones like mhmm, so I'll go through and highlight all the most positive or like look up positive adjectives. I should have done that. And then pick three and then do the thing that she just said, which is, it makes it makes me think of like Hilary Hartling, like ta-da list... (Brad: I was just thinking about that. Yeah) So like your take Mallory Gott's little situation here, little system, three adjectives. Take it to your to-do list, mad... inverted the Mad Libs rock on. Then you can get to go, "Tadaa." (Leslye laughs) So, I like this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a zippy afternoon with my meeting.Brad Crowell 20:55  A zippy? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm gonna have a (Lesley: I'm gonna proudly do my calls.) Yeah, what are the three, what are your three adjectives for today?Lesley Logan 21:05  Mine? (Brad: Yeah) Oh, okay. So well, I thought I think proud is awesome. And that feels like, tall, energetic and fancy.Brad Crowell 21:15  Oh, fancy. (Lesley: Yeah) I love that. Okay, so (Lesley: Yeah. What are yours?) what are you, what do you have to do later today that you're going to make fancy?Lesley Logan 21:22  I have worked on those kind of like flashcards. (Brad laughs) So I'm going to proudly with, "What was my other one, proudly ..." (Brad: Ah um ...) Oh, my God, short term memory just blanked on me. Fancy and what? Here's what I'm just gonna new make one (Brad: Pick another one) Okay, when I do the fla... I'm going to do the flashcards ...Brad Crowell 21:44  You guys can hit rewind, and then tell (Lesley laughs) us what she said.Lesley Logan 21:47  What I say? I'm going to zealously.Brad Crowell 21:50  Zealously, you definitely didn't pick that one. But ...Lesley Logan 21:53  No, nope. Um, I am going to, I'm going to say, I'm proudly work on those cards, because I am so fucking proud of them. And I really do. Can't wait for you to have them. So I'm going to proudly work on those cards in and when I and then I'm going to sit there in a fancy outfit while I'm doing it.Brad Crowell 22:07  Yeah. And I think for me, I'm going to um... Let's see, exuberantlyLesley Logan 22:17  Oh, well, now you're just, now it's a spelling test. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 22:22  I'm going to exuberantly host a webinar, although there's nothing negative about hosting the webinar, because it's going to be with our friend Alex Street. It's gonna be so cool. (Lesley: I know) ... you gonna love it.Lesley Logan 22:35   He's a past guest, you can listen to him. He's just so cool.Brad Crowell 22:38  And then productively get done a bunch of boring contract work (Lesley: I think ...) that I have to do that I'm not excited about. So, (Lesley: I think you have to remove those those adjectives) Yeah, exactly. We're gonna swap that out to that's the productive and exuberant and the last one is going to be ... I do like joyful and that ...Lesley Logan 23:05  You could joyfully work on these contracts. You can whistle while you work.Brad Crowell 23:08  With exuberance. Yes and (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) productiveness. Lesley Logan 23:11  And then you're going to the gym with ... you're going to gleamly go to the gym (Brad: gleamly) I don't know. I'm just looking at another. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 23:20  Alright. Somebody take away the synonyms or (Lesley: Okay) adjectives.Lesley Logan 23:23  Yeah. So fun. Okay, well, anyways, if you do this system, please let us know. Screenshot this episode, tag Mallory Gott, tag Be It Till You See It pod.Brad Crowell 23:32  Oh wait, sorry. She has a course. (Lesley: Oh, gosh. Okay) Yeah. So well, you know, what's your big takeaway, Lesley? (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 23:41  I got really distracted with the adjectives and clearly we should be teaching you what she teaches. So because we're still working out the adjectives (Brad: Yeah) in our own lives. So take her course. She's got four parts to her course. We cover two in the interview. SoBrad Crowell 23:55  Yeah, the first pillar was, if you're designing an event or an experience for people, you will want to consider how you want them to feel. Right? During the experience, which is something that you and I do all the time with the retreats. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, like, we've got people coming here in March to Las (Lesley: Yeah) Vegas for a fitness business retreat, we're (Lesley: Yeah) really focused on like, "What are they going to experience? What are they going to feel?" Loved that.Lesley Logan 24:18  We filter everything through how we want them to feel.Brad Crowell 24:19  That's the first part of it. The second part of it is going to be and this is something that I don't think about this, I never think about this. (Lesley: clearly we need to take this part) Yeah. How do I want to feel while designing their retreat experience? (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna take this course.) And that was like, "Hmm. I didn't I never considered me I was just making it work, making it happen." Right? (Lesley: Yeah) So that's, that's pretty amazing. And then during the interview, I don't actually recall the third and fourth part of her program, so I would absolutely (Lesley: also) recommend checking out her course.Lesley Logan 24:28  Two more reasons why you should check out her course. So we'll have that linked below (Brad: Yeah, in the show notes.) She's amazing. We have to have her back. I don't know. I gotta have her do a presentation. This is so freakin' great. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 25:03  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 25:04  Thank you for joining us today. We're so grateful for you. Seriously so grateful. Otherwise we just be doing this for the ethers. And so thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Thank you for sharing. Screenshot this, tag Mallory, tag @be_it_pod with how you're using her BE IT action items and send us that we get a DM and we can like shout you out, we can celebrate you. It's super, super fun, and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 25:25  Until next time.Lesley Logan 25:26  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it, help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 26:01  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 26:12  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 26:16  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 26:25  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.Brad Crowell 26:37  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Check out this week's episode with Trina Altman! Trina is an interdisciplinary movement educator (SCOTT pilates / E-RYT 500). She is also the creator of Yoga Deconstructed and Pilates Deconstructed, which shows teachers how to take an interdisciplinary approach to foster an embodied understanding of yoga and Pilates in relation to modern movement science. Trina has presented at Momentum Fest, the International Association of Yoga Therapy Conference, and Kripalu. She also created and taught a Pilates continuing-education course for physical therapists and was part of the faculty for the Brain Longevity conference at UCLA. Trina was the co-creator of Equinox's signature program Best Stretch Ever, utilizing the mobility stick to improve functional range of motion, body awareness, and total body strength. Trina was a finalist in the Next Pilates Anytime Instructor Competition in 2017. Her work has been published in Yoga Journal, Yoga International, and Pilates Style magazine. My classes have been featured on Yoga International and Yoga Anytime. She is also the author of Yoga Deconstructed®: Movement science principles for teaching, which shows yoga teachers how to integrate modern movement science into their classes and is published by Handspring Publishing. In this podcast we discuss: 00:00 - Intro  09:41 - Didactics in yoga and pilates 10:44 - Pain / Hypermobility 16:25 - Yoga Deconstructed (Book) 19:58 - Common yoga (asana)  injuries  22:37 - The evolution of yoga 25:05 - Yoga hands-on adjustments 32:37 - Lever and limb lengths 39:49 - Is yoga all the training you need? 45:12 - A typical training week for Trina 47:33 - Trampoline training  More from Trina: https://trinaaltman.com/ https://www.instagram.com/trinaaltman/

Lesley and Brad recall last episode's interview with Jessica Valant, digging into messaging vs products, finding a community when you move to a new city, Momentum Fest, handling regret and more.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Your problem is with your messaging, not your productWhen you confuse you loseHow you find a community when you move to a new cityFinding online meetup groupsMomentum Fest 2022 is scheduledHow to handle regretBeing open to getting information (before you need it)Decide what you actually wantEpisode References/Links:Profitable Pilates is hosting a fitness business retreat in March of 2022Bright Side Up by Amy SpencerMomentum FestIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the permissive convo I had with Jessica Valant in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go back, listen to it and come back and do this one or listen to this one. See if you like what you heard, and then go back and be really honest, Brad and I were talking about how like frickin' smart, intelligent and I don't know like ... (Brad: Profound) profound, I know. (Brad laughs) I know ... this one definitely could have left profound it but we've used it before. Anyways, it's so good. So you listen to this and listen to that do whatever order you want. Alright, so okay, you guys, we were kind of keeping this little thing on the DL. We were like you know, working like little I don't know a Santa's elves in the back and mostly because I was just kind of nervous of it not happening after after the last 20 months I'm a little tired of disappointing people and ...Brad Crowell  Announcing things and then being like, just (Lesley: Yeah) kidding (Lesley: Just kidding.) Lesley Logan  But we announced our first in person business retreat here in Las Vegas ... where we call home and at the time of this recording it only has like seven spots left (six spots left, seven spots left.) So here's what's happening, Brad you want to tell him what we're doing?Brad Crowell  Yeah. 100% yo ... Lesley Logan  We're not doing that we're not teaching you any of that. (Brad: .com) (Lesley and Brad laughs) Don't go there.Brad Crowell  So, actually what we're doing is a we're hosting a fitness business coaching retreat slash take time for yourself retreat.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it is. So here's the thing what I know, I know that everyone's like, "Just give me all the strategy" and we can, we absolutely have all the strategies and we're going to give every single retreat or all of that but I also know that without self care, without a balance of that then you as the leader on the driver of your dreams is going to burn out and then you're gonna (Brad: Yeah) blame your dreams and or the people getting in the way of your dreams and (Brad: Sure) if I only had, if I should have like I should have done and all that stuff and so what we want to teach you in this like four ish day retreat is (Brad: five day, four night) Oh, there it is, is how to balance a day where you take care of yourself, you move your body, you take care, you do some self care and you learn a ton of frickin' strategy like bus loads.Brad Crowell  Yeah .... What we're gonna really work on we're gonna dig deep into the customer journey and if that's a new concept for you, that's okay. But generally it's the the idea of where do they come from and when they meet you quote unquote "meet you" probably online somewhere. What do they get from you? And then how do you help them graduate from getting something at the beginning of your program to the next step where they're buying something more then the next step where they're buying something more, then next step where they're buying something more (Lesley: Yeah) and it continues to move forward and you're you know you're serving the people that you're connecting with.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we also have talks on project management, driving like creating a schedule that allows you to implement all the strategies we're doing this with. Your messaging to your clients because I actually think that most people don't have a problem with having an amazing product, they have a problem with messaging and telling people that it's for them. (Brad: Yes) And so we're going to go through all of this plus so much more. And what what it really should help you do is organize all those amazing thoughts and amazing things you've created into a way that allows people to go, "Yeah, you're the person for me," because when you confuse you lose I didn't say that first, but whoever did is a genius. (Brad laughs) Anyways, where (Brad: I love it.) where can they sign up if there's any spots left?Brad Crowell  Okay, just go to https://ProfitablePilates.com/retreatLesley Logan  Yeah, perfect. Go there. If it's sold out, then you'll see a waitlist for the next one. (Brad: Yepper) Yeah, so that's just frickin' blown away. And it's like so real because at the time we're doing this, it's basically sold out.Brad Crowell  Oh, it's gonna happen in March of next year. Lesley: Oh, that's helpful.) Yeah, March, March 2 through 6.Lesley Logan  Yeah and that means it's like lovely spring desert weather. I'm not gonna lie. I really do hope the cactuses are blooming for y'all ... Brad Crowell  And borderline chilly. So like bring a light sweater.Lesley Logan  It's a, it's a world of desert. It's like it's cold in the morning, and then the sun comes out and you're like, "Let me be in the sun" and then the sun goes down. You're like, "Let me put on a nice jacket." (Brad: Yeah) (Brad laughs) Yeah. So anyway ...Brad Crowell  It's gonna be amazing ... We already have an incredible group ... coming, it's going to be fantastic.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love, I love early adopters. (Lesley laugsh) That's that's who we are. Okay, so, um, we have a question from a listener.Brad Crowell  Yes, we do. And it is all about basically, when we moved here to Vegas, especially last year, in COVID we were never leaving our place. And the question is, "How do you find a community when you move to a new city?" And I'm going to add comma, especially during COVID. (Lesley: Yeah) So ...Lesley Logan  I think this is also like comma / I'm introverted, which was that that's you know. (Brad: Yeah) And also like I posted about our our bike riding such how this (Brad: Ah, that's right.) gonna came up (Brad: Yeah, last night.) Yeah, cuz we, we work we we got invited to a cycle art movement. It wasn't ...Brad Crowell  It was like a hangout (Lesley: It was a hang.) It was a super cool hang, where we're basically a local business owner in the arts district near where we live, decided, "Hey, let's let's let's go for a bike ride around the arts district." And everybody will pick a personal favorite piece of street art. And they'll figure out what is the story behind it, and they can explain it to the group. And so it was a it was a great excuse to ride around, stop at a bar for a drink, go to the next piece of art, meet somebody, (Lesley: Yeah) go to their house, like all this fun stuff, where Lesley and I would never have taken the time to just ride in circles around that 15 block radius and just look at stuff before slash get to know a bunch (Lesley: Yeah) of people we didn't know. So that was super, super fun.Lesley Logan  It was so fun. So ... first, here's how I got to be friends with the person that started the thing. So we said "yes" to a random birthday party. And my introverts out there... I hear you. Let me tell you saying yes that was hard because I know it's coming off of four days at Momentum Fest, oddly enough that's who are our who are the the founder of that as our guests are you recapping this week, but I was like, "This is gonna be great. A birthday party, this is where people are." How do we get to know the person invited us to the birthday party? We went to a shop owned by a local, and we made that shop our shop, like, we just kept going ... Brad Crowell  It's a fun shop. It's like a store for buying home goods. And they're like cute and fun. And they they're a little funky, they have and then the the couple that runs the store are very friendly. And you (Lesley: Yeah) know, it was just really fun to meet them. And we every time we were like, "Let's go out," we would always stop by there, too.Lesley Logan  We should have them on as a guest.Brad Crowell  I think that's definitely a great idea.Lesley Logan  Okay, we're gonna do that. So anyways, so so how, so this is what I did. I'm an introvert. But I also really love when people start their own business. And I really love supporting local businesses. And so I just, we just would go and then we talked to the owners. And I mentioned that we both have done retail and so we got to know them. And then I just made an intention, an intentional effort to go to their store every time I was in the arts district and say "hi" to them, say (Brad: Yeah) hi to their names. They would ask me, "How I was doing?" and I would actually tell them what was going on in my life. This is huge. If you're trying to make friends. You can't like ...Brad Crowell  You can't be like, "Oh, I'm good."Lesley Logan  I'm good. Life is good. (Brad: That is a word.) I'm busy. No, you actually have to be vulnerable. (Brad: Yeah.) And you have to share like, "Oh my..." I said, "Oh, my dad's about to move in. I've never had a parent live with me before." (Lesley laughs) And they're like, "Oh," and they're like they talked about how they just had a baby and one of their parents moved in to help them. And so those kinds of things allow you to get to know someone we share, we exchanged Instagram handles that's the new thing on the street these days. And and that's how they invited us to that we said yes to that. I know ... well, that's another thing that we'll talk about another day. But um, and then we said "yes" to the birthday party. And we went (Brad: Yeah) and we made sure to be, this is not something we should up late to, we showed up on time. And we were intentional to talk to people in the room, not just the people. This is the scary part, shy people, introverted people. We didn't wait, we didn't stand there and wait for the birthday people to come. We like literally ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, before the birthday, it was a surprise, right? So the wife was there coordinating and the husband didn't know that it was a surprise party. So, but we showed up early and we just started you know, shaking hands. And you know, like, it was cool, because we were all in on the secret. And so therefore, it was not weird to just like, "Hey, how are you? Who are you what, you know, how are you connected here?" And it made sense to, you know, easily say "hi" to a bunch of people. And from that we met (Lesley: The Layer Lounge.) Yeah, we met this lady who runs a business down the street from where the movie theater was.Lesley Logan  And she's going to be on the podcast soon. But because I just friggin' love her story. But here's this if you're shy, if you're introverted, guess what? People love to answer questions about themselves. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) Did you actually can totally skirt around you if you're like, "Oh my God, I'm freaking out. I can't believe Brad and I now our time to go to a stranger's birthday party," literally ask people like, "Hey, how do you know the birthday person?"Brad Crowell  Yeah. And then just let them respond. The truth is, this is like sales 101. People love to talk, they love to talk about themselves, they love to be an authority on a subject. And if you set them up to be any of those things in conversation, it's a great way to get the ball rolling in a conversation where you can then continue to ask questions that, you know, help the conversation continue to move along. And then you can begin to interject you know, certain things of your own. That would make sense, obviously. So yeah, it's a it's a very simple sales tactic is to just get somebody else talking.Lesley Logan  Well, I hate that you said sales. And that's, of course, but anyway ...Brad Crowell  I mean, that's why my, my background is it's it becomes a conversation, (Lesley: Yeah) it's actually a better way to put it instead of sales is, it's the art of conversation. (Lesley: Yeah) Set someone up so that they can talk about something that they feel comfortable with. And then they're not, there's not going to be this weird, awkward conversation, because they're very excited about it.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then they're going to ask you a question, which keeps it going, you'll answer it. (Brad: Right) I knew, ideally, keep the loop open. (Lesley laughs) And you just keep going and then if it comes to an end, and you don't like this person, and you're like, "I don't know how I feel about this person," you go to the next person, you make eye contact, you say, "It's so nice to meet you. (Brad: Yeah) I'm really excited to be here and get to know people." And it was weird, and so okay, we still haven't gotten to community. So now we have a (Brad laughs) friend, and we know a few people. And so guess what I did? I scheduled a frickin' facial and I made sure I scheduled it with the owner. (Brad: Yeah.) And then I got to talk to her some more, right?Brad Crowell  And then she said, "Hey, Brad, happy birthday. I'm getting you a facial." (Lesley: Yeah) So then the two of us went in and then her dad, "Hey, you know, I'm going to go with my dad" (Lesley: Yeah) and and it just kind of kept rolling for them.Lesley Logan  So, I supported them and got to know them and they got to know me. And then I this is a cool thing about Instagram is I got to see what events they were doing. And I just started putting myself in these events. Y'all, I was I'm exhausted ended, I get up at 5am. It's not like, I'm like, "Yes, let's go out at 7:30 and do this thing." (Brad laughs) But if you want a community, this is the things you have to do. (Brad: Yeah) Now the cool thing is, is once you have the people, you can go, "Hey, let's do lunch instead of the 7:30 (Brad laughs) gratitude thing that you're doing." (Lesley laughs) Right? But like that's how he did it. And so I've gotten to know them. I've been consistently putting myself in, we've been going to this these things consistently to meet people, for them to get to know us. And then we got invited to this biking event. (Brad: Yeah) And it's so fun, because maybe we don't love that, maybe we who knows what happens when the people we met. But we now have a double date on the books for next week. We have our we know a pair a pair of neighbors that we can go walking around the block with. (Brad: Yup) And so it's the opportunity for the relationship that has been put, it's like a little seed to for Brad's cactus show into germination. And you know, it takes four months to germinate a cactus seed, it does, it might take four months to germinate your community. But you want to be ...Brad Crowell  I'd say that's that process for us started six months ago, right? (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah.Lesley Logan  So just be intentional about it, your time is very precious. So the reason we chose, I chose local businesses is because usually the owner of the business is there. And if I like their shop, I'm probably gonna like them. So that's kind of my MO. And if none of that sounds good to you, then I would here's the thing. You might not like the "book of faces," but their groups are freaking awesome. And there's a group for every city and you can just go in there once a week for 15 minutes and answer people's questions, and then start to ask your own and then there's a Vegas women's one, and it is on fire. People are setting up meeting dates all the time. So there's that.Brad Crowell  Yeah, well, that's a great question.Lesley Logan  I loved it. We can talk more about it. Stay tuned. To be continued on the friendships we've built. (Brad laughs) I'm really excited about them now. We actually you know what's really funny is last night someone suggested we have a housewarming party.Brad Crowell  Oh, how hilarious was that?Lesley Logan  And so here's the thing. I real... didn't realize we didn't have one because of COVID. Like ... (Brad: Then even consider it) But also we didn't have people to invite to the party. (Brad: Rright) Now, we do ...Brad Crowell  And it was really funny too, because it wouldn't be now it's even that was so we didn't plant the seed of that. She did. She was like, "Hey, I'm inviting myself over to your house warming party (Lesley: Yeah) that you never even talked about." And we were like, "Oh, (Lesley: Yeah) okay, we're totally open to that." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  I love her. I loved it. And I was like, "You know what?" We should totally like I have the group thread from the biking thing I can totally with those people alone and go, "Hey, now that we have friends to invite to our house, here's what we're doing it (Lesley laughs) just bring a coat because it's cold at night." House warming. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: So funny.) So fun, anyways, (Brad: Great question.) Yeah, I love it. Okay.Brad Crowell  All right. Now let's talk about Jessica Valant.Lesley Logan  I love her so much.Brad Crowell  Yeah, me too. She is really lovely and her husband Brian, but let's tell you a little bit about Jessica. Jessica Valant is a Pilates teacher and physical therapist. She's a former studio owner. She's a mom of two, a spouse and co founder of Momentum Fest. So many of you out there probably know what Momentum Fest is, especially if you're in the Pilates world, but it's more than just Pilates. It is an international movement festival held each year in Denver. The questions that Jessica asked herself have helped her build a large community on YouTube. They've helped her juggle the work life schedule of kids being home almost all the time, even when she has to film classes. And also to know when she has too many priorities which of course if you listen to last week's episode, you would understand what what I'm referencing there. It was such a great convo, I continuously found myself going, "Wow, that's an awesome question that she asked herself. Wow, that's an awesome question (Lesley: I know) that she asked herself."Lesley Logan  I was like, "How ... where'd she come out these questions?" (Brad: Yeah) They're a list of questions we should all be asking ourselves like, "Where's that book? I want that book." Tell me that book everyone it's on the new, it's on the new book club we haven't created. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell  Well, anyway you know the ... she had so many takeaways, so many points that I I actually when I was producing the episode I I was going down one path and realized, "Wow, this could this could go two or three different ways" and I had to kind of sit back listen to the whole thing, then go back and really listen to it again. And decide what to actually talk about today. So...Lesley Logan  And you know can I just talk about two things a "Momentum Fest 2022" is scheduled. (Brad: Oh good.) So check out their Instagram for the exact dates. (Brad: Lovely) It's the end of June and so that's where they're exciting. And also talk about "building a community" she reached the heck out to me to get to know me. (Brad: Right) And so that's how we became friends and we still talk regularly and what I love about our friendship is we can go months without ever having a conversation, send a text message, "I'm really struggling with this decision" and the other person go, "Here's my honest opinion of that." (Brad: Yeah) And no no feelings are hurt if they're not taken. So ...Brad Crowell  Well, I'm glad to hear that Momentum Fest is booked if you you know if and when you listen to Monday's episode with her. She was actually undecided (Lesley: Yeah) if she was going to book it again. So happy to hear that they decided to move forward with it. I have had an incredible experience each time that we've gone and I know that you would, too. (Lesley: Yeah) So hope to see you there in person.Lesley Logan  Okay, so here's something I love out of all the things, I mean there's so many I'm going to be really honest. It was it was actually really difficult but she said, "It's okay not to know if you're done or not." So, obviously she was unsure of a good decision there but for her for Momentum Fest but this was in regards to her talking about selling her studios and like she told that amazing emotional story I think many people can relate to. And what it made me think of is you know one of the things that my therapist told me about regrets because I said, "You know my grandfather passed away so I kind of regret not calling him more often." You know and she said, "Well, you know the thing about the past is that at the moment it made, you made, this decision you made to not call him made sense." So the decision to not call him wasn't like like "blowing this guy off right now." No, I didn't call him all the time because he's kind of a Negative Nancy. (Lesley laughs) He was he was there's a lot of fear around at anytime I bring up something I was excited about he would just be like the fear monster ... and so I I know that it was self preservation at the time to not call him. It wasn't anything to do there. So, if you are undecided or not know if you're done or whatever it is, whatever decision you make, you don't have to worry about regretting later or looking back on going that was dumb because you're making the decision based off the information you have in that moment. And that's all the only way you can make a decision and then there will be times where you have to change a decision because new moments happen that go, (Brad: Yeah) "Whoa, holy cow. I can't have one foot on the mainland and one foot on an island." (Lesley laughs) You know, so anyways, that's what I really love that she shared that story. That's like, I think a lot of people can understand.Brad Crowell  Yeah, well and you know, thanks for sharing that about your pops. You know also too I think it was it was we knew that it was coming but we also didn't know how soon it was coming, too. So you know, there's there's we you know, when you try to call more often towards the end of things and they don't always answer the phone. So you know, also what are you gonna do, right? One thing that I really enjoyed that she said was ... what what I found really amazing, actually was the inner dialogue, that concept of having an inner dialogue. This is not my MO. This is not how I usually do things. I don't actually have a conversation with myself. You know, I, I think through different topics, but I'm not usually asking myself questions in the way that it sounds to me like she does. Obviously, she does if you go back and listen to the episode, and she talked about when she's making a difficult decision, she would walk around the block alone, you know, she's she's obviously married has family, all the things. But she's like, you know, when I you know, for me to process something, for me to be able to ask these questions, I will take time for myself to think about it to actually process the thing. And I thought that was really amazing, because I think for me, it's I often make snap decisions, because I've often worked under a lot of stress under a lot of pressure. And, I don't actually have the time, you know, before or maybe that's just the story I was telling myself instead, what if, when I have a really huge decision coming up, I did take a walk around the block or I went for a bike ride or something that allowed me to ...Lesley Logan  Two things we can now do (Brad: step away) because this is the cold time in Vegas. And it's like beautiful out all time. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) And also like you can ride a bike in our neighborhood and not be hit by a car. So that's cool.Brad Crowell  My my friend for a long time when I was in LA when I first got there, I don't talk with him very often anymore because he moved away and life happened but his dad, once a year would go journey to the hilltop, right? That's a weird phrase. But he literally would go by himself off to some cabin on a mountain alone for a weekend. Just to think, just to be alone and like reevaluate, evaluate whatever, like look at his life and decide, "Is this something that I want to do?" He was a business owner as well. And he really wanted to invest in his community. And he was he was he made himself every year take time alone to go reflect.Lesley Logan  That's so cool. You do that when you go to Joshua Tree even though you're not alone, you spend a lot of time with yourself.Brad Crowell  Yeah, exactly ... I mean, I'm also I am with friends. This is a little more like intentionally isolated, intentionally thinking about you know, life. So anyway, I I'm really enjoyed listening to her talk about her inner dialogue. I also had a good laugh about that, because I think that, that this is something that you, Lesley, you do pretty well. Or at least often. And ...Lesley Logan  Tell me more about my amazing self.Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah, yeah, well, I laugh a lot because she, I think Brian and I probably can relate to the conversation that you're having in your head. And then you just start talking to me as if I've been having the conversation with you. (Brad: Yeah) And I'm like, "I have no idea what you're ... what are we talking about here?" But but I but I anyway, I just thought that's really interesting. I wonder how I can work that into, you know, my routine, my life, to to set aside more time to have an inner dialogue to begin asking questions. And reflecting a little bit more. SoLesley Logan  You can start that with like a journal, you can just ask ... like, maybe if like sitting in down or walking and like just having a conversation with yourself feels weird. You could just write it.Brad Crowell  That's true. Yeah, a journal ... You know, I never been really good at journaling ...Lesley Logan  Except for when he did a five minute journal made a bet with himself.Brad Crowell  Yeah, but that was that was cheating. I was writing half a sentence because they prompted you like the idea of actually journaling. I kind of stopped that after middle school. But But, you know, either way that it you know, if that's a better way for you to process information, that's a great thing that can happen. Otherwise, you could, like, you know, like Jessica was talking about taking a walk.Lesley Logan  FYI, though you can journal one word a day, you could also do gratitudes, you can just write a story of what happened that day. If you're like, "What the heck is journaling? I have been on a research because of the perfectionist." I am like, "How does one journal? What ist that?" (Brad: Sure) And, what I have discovered is there is a plethora of ways you can journal and you just have to pick one that you'll stick with because the reality is you'll probably won't notice how well it's helping you. Or it might not even help you unless you've been doing it for a bit of time. (Brad: A while) Yeah, so and that doesn't mean like you know, 21 days to make a habit. It just means like pick something like pick a notebook. And like tell yourself you're gonna open it every day. And then when that becomes really easy, then to by yourself, you're gonna write one word. And then when that becomes really easy, then write a sentence. And if you ever write more, it's extra credit. So that's a journaling situation for you.Brad Crowell  I love it. (Lesley: Okay.) All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that we always dig into. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jessica Valant? Why don't you go first this week?Lesley Logan  Okay, so I love this. She talked about being open to getting information, because it will serve you when the opportunity comes. (Brad: Yeah) I think this is really cool because a lot of people think that like, "Some people are lucky and they're some unlucky." Nope. Remember, luck is where preparation meets opportunity. (Brad: 100%) So that's what and that means like the opportunity might be random but the preparation is very much within your control. And ...Brad Crowell  This is what she was specifically was talking about in the episode was she and her husband Brian had been talking about, you know, "We want to get a house. We want to get a house. We want to get a house." And they knew it was not the right time yet but she began to just hang out on Zillow, and surf Zillow and begin to kind of see patterns and learn about the way that it worked and you know begin to she was beginning to identify, "Oh, this is a good deal. Oh, this is not a good deal. Oh, there's a good thing here. This is not a good thing here." And that was because I think if I remember she said she spent like, a long time like more than a year just hanging out on Zillow and learning about stuff. Then when they saw something come across their plate. It wasn't frilly and pretty, but they knew this is a good deal.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so this made me think of Tina Tang like, "Open to curiosity like following your curiosity." And what I loved about this is it can be as simple as just curating your Instagram feed with things that you want to be seen so if that's how you curate (Brad: Sure) that by the way if you intentionally go to certain accounts every day and you comment on their stuff, and then your Instagram feed will just start showing you that. So that's gonna be really helpful (Brad: Yup) if you can I mean there's just so many different things you can do about getting the information. It doesn't have to be like you don't have to go and study French, right? You but you can like ...Brad Crowell  It could be starting a Pinterest board.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love that idea. It could be following the French account that someday you want to that's a travel account that someday you want to go to and then one day someone's like, "Hey, I have an extra ticket," you'll be like, "Oh my God, I know exactly where I want to go." Like, so ...Brad Crowell  I think I think this is something that I've done inadvertently over the years particularly when it comes to travel because that's my thing that I love more than most things. And you know, I was watching a movie the other day and there was a background and I was like, "What the? That is not a set. That is a place. Where are they? That is amazing." And I looked it up and it's a it's a gardens in Singapore, and ... (Lesley: Cool, we're going) Oh, we are totally gonna go but I started to read about this and I left the tab up on my computer and so a couple days later came back around and I was looking at again and I'm like, "Man, how can we make this happen?" So you know it could just be curiosity begins the process (Lesley: Yeah) again, Tina Tang.Lesley Logan  Yeah, but also um you know, what made me think of is like, "What you appreciate, appreciates?" that's not something I created that other people have said and so if you are just taking the time to like gather up information on something it's going to accrue interest and like either becomes ... it becomes something you do or something you get to go see, like it just gets on top of your mind. So then when the opportunity comes, you're aware of it. (Brad: Yeah) Right? And so this can be I mean, it's like anything you want in life, it does have to be a bit more on the first page of your browser not like the second and third for it to be something that you can pay attention to. So, I love that. I love that was something you can do it's free. (Brad: Yeah) And you can start today, I love action items that are like easy to implement right now.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and I think you know, my my biggest takeaway from her BE IT action items was "Decide what you actually want." And this is actually really, it can be tied into our conversation from last week, where we were talking about poking our head in the down the pink hallway and like looking in the room and being like, "That's not the master suite. Close. That's not the master suite. Close," whatever. When you know what you want, it allows you to see all the things that are coming at you and be like, "That's super cool. That's not for me. That's super cool. Maybe that's for her or him or you know them," whatever it's but it's not you know that it's not for you. And when you decide what you actually want it, like, here's an amazing example. In our coaching group, we had someone come to us and say, you know, "I want to build a ... an online platform for people." And we're like, "Great, that sounds amazing. You know, we'll talk to you all about it, we'll help you through all the things." And then she called us later and said, "I just had this crazy opportunity come across my plate, where my my friend who runs a studio in town is going to move. And the rent at her place is like an amazing, (Lesley: Oh, yeah) it's an incredibly cheap rent. I know that this is like a steal." And she basically said, "I could just take over and I and then like, I would have a Pilates studio." You know, and the question was, from our perspective was, "Hey, look, that's incredible. That's an awesome deal. That's an incredible opportunity. But is that going to actually help you get to the membership that you wanted to build? Because when we were talking about what you want to go do, it had nothing to do with owning the studio." (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and so then we started talking about the pros and cons of that potential opportunity, compared to or in alignment with the decision that she had want, like what she actually wanted, right? So suddenly, you're looking at it through a new lens, if you didn't know what you wanted to do. Wow, that's, that is a crazy opportunity. But then so is the next one, then so is the next one, (Lesley: Yeah) and so is the next one, and it allows it could be, then suddenly, you're juggling 50 different things, and you're just maintaining it all. You're not actually excelling at any of them. And you know, you're not you're setting yourself up to really take one thing and grow it really well.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love that. You know, what came to my mind is like, there's the book, the half ... Oh, happy? No, no, that's not it. It'll come to me anyways, her name is Amy Spencer, she wrote a book, "Bright Side Up," it's not about seeing if the glass is half full or half empty. It's about seeing something in the glass and shooting the chapter that I quote all the freakin' time, because it's all about, it's called park or drive away. And the idea is that an idling car like she tells a story about how they're at this amazing outdoor restaurant. And they're having this brunch and everyone is just like, brunching up and it's like, you know, like in the movies, pre COVID. All the brunching and the client, the clinking, the laughter, it's like beautiful sun shining on everyone. And a car pulls up, and then it's idling. And it takes a while for people to hear the idling. But all of a sudden, one person hears it. And they're like, "Why is that car idling?" and then someone else another table hears it. And slowly over time, this entire cheery, excited brunch, energy has just turned anxious and nervous. And that the breath of the entire ... of the entire brunch, parties are being held, like, "What is happening?"Brad Crowell  Why is this car idling?Lesley Logan  "Why it's car idling?" I mean, like, depending on your life, you might be thinking a million different things. And then the car drove off. And literally every you could hear the whole restaurant exhale. And then all of it started up. So the idea is an idling car, like stresses everybody out, not just you. And (Brad: Sure) so if you decide what you want, then it's really easy for you to use a filter like Brad explain it. Also, just know that like you can't make a wrong decision for yourself. Because every single thing that you do is leading you to the next thing. So like, if you really do trust that the universe is conspiring for you, then you can't make a bad decision. It's not possible. You just have to make the one that you want. And not that you think other people will be excited for you to want.Brad Crowell  I think a good example of this in our life is the studio that we have here. And the the decision that we made not to have a home studio where people are coming in and out of our front door all the time. (Lesley: Yeah) When we first, we're moving here, that was absolutely the idea. And we got here and we realized a lot of our clients are virtual because they're in Los Angeles, and we have this, you know, income stream, we have all those clients as they are. Do we even want to begin finding new clients here in the city? And we decided, "No, we don't actually want to do that." And then when people come to us and say, "Hey, I live down the street. I'm looking for a Pilates instructor. You know, would you teach me," it is actually a lot easier for us to say, "Hey, thanks so much. That's incredible. No, we're not actually looking. We don't we're not looking for more clients, but you can join our online community instead." (Lesley: Or I send them to a three Pilates instructors ...) or where we can refer them out. Yeah, 100% and, and that, you know, doesn't seem like lost income to us anymore. When it may have, you know, before because we didn't know what we wanted,Lesley Logan  yeah, yeah, that's a great example. And I think, you know, it Look, I think it is easy in a vacuum to say, "Just decide what you want." But um, you know, I know that there's a lot of different things, there's a lot of different things to consider, especially when you have a partner or kids or anything like that. And I just keep thinking back to, like, if you can't make a wrong decision. And if you really, truly want the thing, it's going to make the people around you much more excited for you to help you have what you want, then for you to make sacrifices and want things for them instead of for you. Like, you're like, I just look, I just think back to, you know, I heard of different sacrifices my parents have made, and like, I hate that they did that for me. (Brad: Sure) Like they said, "Well, we want you to have this. So we did this instead." And I'm kind of like, "What would my life have been like, if they had done what they wanted to do?" You know, like, I don't know, (Brad: Yeah) who knows, like, everything happens the way it's supposed to. But what I keep thinking is, my goodness, I would probably have rather been with somebo... like been in a house where people were doing what inspired them and not what they thought they had to do. So anyways, just food for thought from a child of parents. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  I think we can all be a child of parents. (Lesley: Yeah.) I thinks that's a ...Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, well, you know, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful that you are here. And I really truly do love hearing how you use these tips talking points BE IT action items in your life. When you screenshot this podcast and you tag the @be_it_pod, you tag our guest and you share what those things are. It really does like make my day. I interrupt Brad in every important conversation ... "Look with this person is doing with this action item." And, so ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. It really does, light light our fire so you know, share, invite your friends to listen and join us in this community. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, as we mentioned before, we're we are on a mission to reach a hundred comments. So ...Lesley Logan  Hundred written reviews on Apple. (Brad: Yep. So help us out) And you are a part of that. And every single one you do when every time you tell someone about this podcast, it helps us grow and it is really freakin' cool. (Brad: Yeah) How fast we're growing and I I'm just so grateful for you. 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Please welcome Jessica Valant, creator of Momentum Fest, former Pilates studio owner, and mom of two! Jessica and Lesley dive headfirst into knowing or not knowing when something is finished, leave other things unfinished, and the inner dialogue you have with yourself. After that they talk about priorities, dealing with the overwhelm, and deciding what you actually want.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Being reminded of your braveryBeing unwilling to waitPlanning one step at a timeGoing back to your "why"It's okay not to know if you're done or notHaving an inner dialogueYou can only have so many prioritiesBrain dumpsEpisode References/Links:Jessica Valant's websiteFollow on Jessica IGFollow Grace Hurry on IGThe Enneagram of PersonalityGuest Bio:Jessica graduated from Regis University in Denver with her Master's Degree in Physical Therapy in 2000. She received her Pilates training in2001 through Polestar Pilates and is a Nationally Certified Pilates Teacher and PMA approved continuing education provider.She has worked with thousands of clients of different backgrounds, ages, injuries and abilities, to help them reach their ultimate health goals.Jessica is recognized as a leader in the Pilates industry. She has a successful YouTube channel, membership site and blog. She has been named a top 10 finalist in the 2015 Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Contest and a Creator on the Rise by YouTube and has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine (including as a cover model in 2020), Shape, Buzzfeed, Yoga Journal and Thrillist. She teaches popular workshops and courses to other health care professionals and Pilates instructors and is considered an expert in the women's health arena.Jessica and her husband, Brian, founded Momentum Fest, a three day Pilates and movement festival, in 2017 in order to create an inclusive, loving and fun place for all people to celebrate movement together.She is married to her best friend and their days are spent in Denver wrangling two young kids, being in the sun, living their passion through work and drinking coffee.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Hello, welcome back. I'm so excited you're here. I'm, I'm so excited for you. One of the things I love about this podcast is I get to meet lots of new people that I've never talked to, and really hear their story. And then another reason is that I get to talk to some of my friends and share their stories and also hear things about them that I probably didn't know, because I would just talk to them as a friend, I wouldn't actually go, "Hey, why do you do that? Why why do you ask yourself so many questions?" And that is something I got to do here today with our guests with who is Jessica Valant. Find her at Jessica Valant Pilates, everywhere and she is. First of all, she is such a beautiful human being inside and out. I am honored to be a friend of hers truly, you get to hear how we meet, or how we met, and where our friendship has grown too and also just where she is right now and where she used to be and for my moms this one is for you. She has so much advice for you. And if you're not a mom, still listen, because if you are a busy person like me with three dogs, and you feel like, "Hey, they they demand my attention too and I have so much going on." There's still a lot to take away from this. You're going to want to take notes while you're listening. She threw out some awesome questions asked herself and her strategies at the end just I can't even wait for Brad and I to dive into this podcast and I can't wait for you to dive into this podcast. So check out the show notes to her links to check her out. Follow her you're going to want too and also learn more about who she is, why she rocks and listen to this, listen to this interview and enjoy.Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  All right. Thank you so much for being here. Today, I have Jessica Valant. Who I can't... When I met her first of all, she was wearing a Fiona, Princess Fiona dress. I'm just gonna say that right now. She she actually texted me, which is something that I I really love that she did because at the time in my life, I was less good at texting random people to be friends with even though I wanted to be friends with them. And she was like, "Hey, let's meet for a drink." We were at a conference together and let's get to know each other. And so when I met her, she was dressed up as Princess Fiona. And she acted like we've known each other forever, which with social media, may we've followed each other for a long time. And, and then we've been we just ... like slowly became friends over time. And I know as adult, it's not easy to make friends. But you are someone Jessica, who I just am so grateful to call a friend and you inspire me every day. So welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. Can you tell everyone a little bit about yourself?Jessica Valant  Yes, and thank you for that and for that reminder, actually, because sometimes I forget that I did that. And when you tell me I'm like, "I'm so proud of myself for doing that." Because I might have missed out on really one of the most important relationships professionally and personally, you and your family and Brad. But um, I think it's important to be reminded of times we were brave, because we forget. And right now in the world, actually, I forgotten that I can be brave. So that was a nice reminder. (Lesley: Oh) Thank you.Lesley Logan  You're so welcome. I, I, you're right, I think we do forget if we remember more times we made mistakes. Then we remember like we were brave, probably many more times than that.Lesley Logan  Right? And what's the worst thing that would have happened that you said, "No, I'm sorry. I'm busy. I can't but thanks so much." Like that's the worst thing that might have happened, right? (Lesley: Right) But yeah, I'm Jessica. I have been a Pilates teacher and physical therapist for a little over 20 years and I live in Denver now. I have two kids, eight year old, three year old. I'm married. I have a couple businesses and and then I have a whole journey that has brought me here and that's me. That's what I do.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, y'all. I can't believe your kids are eight and three because I mean, like, (Jessica: I knew you when I was pregnant with both of them. I know.) (Jessica laughs) Yeah. Like I know. And when and you also put together, y'all when I say an event, like a massive event with a newborn. Like when you DM me and said, "Hey," we were in a group DM and you're like, "Hey, y'all, I think I'm gonna do this like, festival like thing." And you had just had your son I was like, as someone who put on retreats, I was like, "Wow, you go girl," like, I don't know how you did that. But I want like, let's talk about that. And we can talk about other things in your life too. Like, what prompted you to go now is the time to make this thing happen?Lesley Logan  I, sometimes I really don't know. But um, I so he was our second, so I think that's something to keep in mind for anyone planning something I kind of, I kind of knew a little bit what we were getting into, you know, having a second one. So that helped a little bit. So I remember very distinctly, I was pregnant with him and we're talking very pregnant, like eight months pregnant, and walking the lake, beautiful day here in Denver. And my husband and I have been throwing around this idea about this possible festival for years. And we had recently just that summer moved back to Denver. So I was probably feeling a little bit, um wanting something, you know, how do I create something? We're in the city that we know, but we haven't been here for a long time. And I want to create something that's maybe for me, I was probably feeling that a little bit. But I was literally walking around the lake and it hit me, well, in our industry was also in a tough time, there was a (Lesley: Yeah) lot of infighting. And it was hard for me to see that. And like, "I don't want that we need community and so how can we do that?" And it really hit me. I'm like, "I think now's the time." And I call I called him on that walk and I said, "I think now's the time that we do it." And I don't know, we just started meeting, we literally just moved into our house, we didn't have Wi-Fi for months. So we were meeting at a local college library, he and I while our older daughter was in preschool, we would meet in the afternoon and use their Wi-Fi in the conference rooms and just talk. And that's when we decided first that we needed to have teachers. And so I reached out to you and a few people like, well, I know a few people. And as soon as you guys said yes, like, "Okay, I think we need a venue. I think we knew the name." And literally I went in the first stages of labor at the library. Like that's how we were yes. I'm like, (Lesley: Oh my God) I think the baby's coming in the next two days and he did. And so we just, I don't know, like, I still can't put my finger on why that felt like the right time. Except that I knew if we didn't, it really just hit me. If we don't do it now, we probably won't. And I think somebody else might and how am I going to feel if somebody else does it, instead. Like how would I feel? I'm like, "I think I want to do it. I think we shouldn't be the ones to try this." And that's what made us do it.Lesley Logan  Okay, there's so much to unpack there that I think people can see themselves in. So y'all. I love that you were like, "We don't have Wi-Fi." So instead of going, "Well, I'll wait till we have our internet here." You're like, which, by the way waiting for the internet people to come. It's like, "Okay, we'll be there in three weeks between 9am and 12pm." And it's like, right. And so you're like, we're just you you took messy action, you we... you did what you could and then you, I love that you went with the teachers first because I think like that was I got to be one of them. And as we were so excited, I'm sure that that really helped. It's like instead of going, planning this whole thing and then going, "Okay, well anybody want to teach at it," you're like, "Well, let me just see if I can get people to do this." And so, I love that it's it's, you did it one step at a time. And I also love the question. If you, how would you feel if someone else did it? I do like that question because sometimes I asked myself like, "Well, what's the worst case? What's the worst thing that can happen?" (Jessica: Yup) But I love that second question. If like, "How would I feel, if someone did it before me?" Oh, that's so good. So this I want to talk about it, y'all. This is her events called Momentum Fest and it's actually not just for Pilates teachers. It's for like, anybody who loves movement, and it's also not even just Pilates. So, um, so you you truly went and did something so unique that's not really been done before. Like, I don't I don't think it's ever done before. Now that it's in its fourth year, fifth year, (Jessica: fourth) fourth year. How do you and maybe you haven't even talked about this yet or thought about but like, how do you figure out like, what's the next thing, right? Because sometimes I think the first one is the easier one ...Lesley Logan  Right, exactly and I agree. No expectations. First one was really just proof of concept. Like each teacher that texted me, "Yes," I was shocked. Like, Brian, that's my husband, like, "Brian, they said yes." Like, "They're gonna come." I mean, and Grace Hurry is someone who I hadn't even known professionally at all just through social media. And I'm like, "She's a great teacher. I'll just reach out." I'm like, "Brian, she's coming from the UK." I mean, so that's first off for people wanting to do something hard. Don't assume people will say, "No", they might, but people might shock you. (Lesley: Yeah) I mean, they're, it's it's truly amazing. So when you all said, "Yes." We knew there was a possibility so you're exactly right. First year was just proof of concepts. You know, we knew, we didn't want to take loans. Yes, some specific things in mind, boundaries for ourselves. I mean, this was just me and my husband. So we weren't going to put our family in financial stress. We had to figure it around our other businesses. So we really had boundaries and numbers in mind, how many people do we need to hit, you know, at least to break even? And exactly the next thing was just oh, this was proof of concept cool. The second year, could we possibly either make some money, grow the business and bring in more exhibitors like I really wanted to be able to promote other teachers, I think we doubled the amount of teachers the next year for exposure for more teachers. And then we did have some grand plans in mind to keep growing and then 2020 hit and our entire event was canceled. And so I think that's one lesson that yes, we had big plans in mind on what might be next and then everything changed. And so now we're changing goals, changing boundaries, changing all of it. And it really is sitting and thinking, "Okay, is this the goals we set? Are they still realistic?" The vision we had just even the goal as a business, does that still make sense or not in the current world, because we have different things we maybe want to promote now and Pilates has changed, the industry has changed. So it's definitely a day to day right now, which is a struggle for me. I'm a planner, like, "I want to plan things, I want to know, I work so well within that." (Lesley: Yeah.) And so to try to plan something in a new unplannable world is not easy for me whatsoever. But I think if you just go back to your why, and that was it was kind of that question again with this year? Do we keep it or do we not? And it was, "How would I feel if we didn't," and I just knew I wouldn't feel right. Like that is really what it comes came down to is, I will not feel right in my soul if we don't have an event this year, because I feel like people need it. I need it. We need a full circle moment. And sort of it was it just came down to them.Lesley Logan  Yeah, that makes me think of I could be wrong. But I swear I was on a run years ago, and I heard Brené Brown on a podcast talking about how she hates the bumper sticker. Like, "What would you do if you didn't think you could fail?" (Jessica: Oh yeah) she sle... and she said like, "What would you do even if you could like, even if you did?" (Jessica: Yeah) and I feel like with you, you're like, you've just it keeps going back to like, "I ju... I'm not done yet." (Jessica: Yeah) Like, "This isn't done yet."Jessica Valant  That's exactly what it is. I just am like, "We're not done yet." And we might be and at some point with anything in life, like when I sold my studios, that was a hard place to get to. Also I didn't know I was done yet until it got to a point. I'm like, "One past done. Oops, (Lesley: Yeah) I missed the turn off like ... past done." And I just kind of woke up and knew that, but I think sometimes we don't and it's okay not to know if you're done or not. I just listened to a podcast the other day and actually, it might have been Brené Brown ... (Lesley: She's so good) I know ...Lesley Logan  We can probably just give it to her and even if she's not, she'll just actually tell us who it wasn't her. Because I heard her on a podcast, people kept saying that this quote was from her. And she's like, "Actually, this is Sonya Renee Taylor." And I was like, "She's amazing." (Jessica: Yeah) So, we attributed to her, she'll let us know. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  But it was, it's okay to leave things unfinished. And again, for my planning personality, like, "No, it's not, (Jessica laughs) I can't leave it anything unfinished." But I thought about that a lot. That I think that's some grace, we need to give ourselves that it is okay. And I don't feel that with the event at all like, I love where we are right now. But just other things in life that's a good lesson for me to realize, you know what it is okay? If you suddenly realize a project you're doing, a new business relationship you're in if you suddenly realize, "Gosh, this really isn't right for me." I don't think we have to feel like we have to finish it out for the next year. I mean, you can pivot you you're allowed to change your mind. You're allowed to do that.Lesley Logan  I I love this because I think like you say, as a planner, I think a lot of people don't want to leave things unfinished, because there's like, well, then it's not perfect. Like, "I didn't do it 'right'", in air quotes, you know, and you know, we... let's I want to talk about your your studios, because I think that a lot of people can resonate, like with ending something. For me, you know, I really struggled, going... before 2020 started, I was struggling with like, "I have the studio, I teach all these people, I love them so much." But I really, really and being called to OPC, I'm really called to expand this and 10x and bring in more people and with a focus of just connecting and community and not a not and that's also probably why we're really good friends, it's the same thing with Momentum Fest. It's like, how do we get people who aren't teachers to also connect and have community and not be perfect and not be like is this exercise, right? And I struggled because I'm like, well, I couldn't see how I ended the studio. (Jessica: Yeah) I couldn't see that and when and when and so I just kept going, "Gosh, I wish I had time, wish I had time." And so when COVID hit, I was like, "So next time we wish were more specific." We're like, ... "I wish I had time and a plan." (Lesley laughs)Jessica Valant  And maybe that coffee shops were still open, maybe ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, and maybe, and maybe that my husband and I are in a one, like a studio apartment working from home together. But, um, I, I, because of COVID I left, you know, that whole studio unfin... like the exit was very unfinished. And it was, it was not how I first saw it happening. And what was a blessing was I had the excuse, like, "Well, the pandemic kind of made me do it." And what I realized is, "Actually, like, I don't need that excuse," like that might work as like, on the surface, might sound really good to other people, and they can understand that. But I also if there wasn't one, I don't think I need that." Lesley Logan  And so, you know, when you had, so you had two studios in Hawaii, so before Denver before you lived in Hawaii. You know, when you started those, what was the vision? And then how did you know when you were like beyond the exit?Lesley Logan  Um, I think it was just talking to someone about this yesterday, I think one thing is, in our industry, at least, the pinnacle is, or at least was back 10 years ago, to own your own studios. I mean, that was in Pilates, especially in physical therapy the same, you own your own clinic and studios, and then you've reached it. And that's all I'm like, "That's it. I'm here, we have two, we have a staff of 19. This is amazing." And so we ended up leaving Hawaii, which I never thought we'd do either, like one of my biggest lessons in life now is, "Never say never." Because you you just I never thought I'd own my own business like I never wanted to, you just never know. So we left Hawaii and so I was managing them from afar. And I just was feeling that anxiety every day. I mean, I was looking at the schedule and counting every highlighting are we making our numbers, we're doing this, it had become very anxiety riddle to me instead of the part I love, which is the community and all of that. And I remember the moment, but I still never thought I would sell whatsoever. But the moment for me, like there was a very clear moment. My husband was out of town so I was with our one year old daughter on my own. And she was at my feet wanting to be held and she was crying to be held but I had to put her down because I got a call from Hawaii from one of my instructors who was locked out of the class and she had a full class in the hall trying to get into she was locked out because the key was inside, the previous instructor had locked the key in the door. So they needed me. I mean, both needed me they needed me desperately, and there was nothing I could do. And my daughter was crying, my feet needed me desperately. And it just hit me, I can't do both well, I just can't, some people can but I can't. And and that was what kind of did it was I think I need to let something though. And I knew myself and one of my top priorities was I didn't want to let her go. Like I (Lesley: Yeah) thought I'd be a mom who did full time childcare, I always thought that and then she came and I'm like, "No, I want to be home." I want to at least have the option to be home. And so that was whenever I feel like I'm not doing well enough or I need to make a decision, I kind of have that touchstone I come back to because that for me is what it is, is can I give the kids the time they need and I couldn't give her the time she needed. And I was going crazy. And so that meant it was time to let someone else do something really good with the studios because they were suffering. Everybody was suffering because I couldn't let something go. So, man, once I did and handed that key over, I never looked back.Lesley Logan  Wow! So what what keeps coming up is like you ask yourself really good questions. Do you do this in a journal? Do you do this, um like it just out loud on like, you wanna walk around like, where does this question? Are you just someone who asked good questions.Jessica Valant  So, have you done any studying of the enneagram at all?Lesley Logan  I get a little bit and I need to figure out what I am because I hear too much about it.Lesley Logan  So I decided when COVID when all of this started, and I was in the anxiety place and like, "I have to get myself out of it because I need to serve people better." So, and I've been in therapy a long time ago that served me really well. And I'm like, "This, I need to learn more about myself." And like ... enneagram stuff's interesting to me anyway, so I dove into it. And I'm almost positive. I'm a six. And one of the biggest things about the six is we have a constant internal dialogue. And I could never put my finger on what that was called. I just assumed everybody does. But literally they describe it as the board meeting going on in your head at all times. So I kind of do have that like, I'm the CEO and then I have another voice who's doing another voice. And it's constantly talking which can be very hmm sometimes but also it does. It helps me lay things out and ask myself, "Why I'm doing something? What my motivation is? What are my goals?" and I think the therapy I went through 20 years ago helped with that too. I just I don't want to go back to that place I was. So for me, it's important to talk it out. So I usually do just talk it out in my head, I'll go on a long walk and think it through, really figure out why I'm trying to make a decision or not make a decision. I don't always do that well, but ...Lesley Logan  That's a good question, "Why am I not trying to make a decision?" I feel like a lot of people can put that on their like, questions list. If you're not a six, and you need, (Jessica: Yeah) you need ... need a list and there's about four good ones in here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it, so by the time Brad, and I do the recap, I can say, cuz maybe that's what's going on. Because I totally feel like I have got a whole conversation happening then I got to talk to Brad. He's like, "I don't even know where ... like, where are we starting in this conversation?" (Lesley laughs)Jessica Valant  Brian says that, too! He's like, "Are you really talking to yourself?" Like, constantly in my head.Lesley Logan  Yes. Yeah. And so when I actually asked you a question out loud, I just assumed you were with me on that whole dialogue that I just had (Lesley laughs)Jessica Valant  Exactly, like, "Didn't you hear all of that? I've already made the decision for us, because I've been thinking about it for a week." (Lesley: Yeah) Like, do you not know? (Jessica laughs)Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, I definitely thought it was more my aquarian, but maybe it's, maybe it's my enneagram (Jessica: Right) number. So I'll have to, have to dive into that. So okay. Um, now you've two kids. And you, being in Denver, you now work from home, you have an online Pilates platform, you have this festival. What, when you work when you work, when you work for yourself and you're like, at home and you've got kids. I feel like it could, I feel like as an outsider looking in, I wonder, how do you structure a day, because, you know, if there's a child who's like, under five, they're not in school, they're like asking you for things while you might be wanting to like, do the thing for yourself. So for the moms listen to this, like, how are you structuring a day?Jessica Valant  I, and right now, it's like all bets are off since March of 2020 because then the kids were suddenly home. So I will be honest, that it is. It's just I'm hoping in the fall to have more structure because I do not have enough at all. So I think if you don't have structure, whether it's kids or pets, or you know, you're taking care of elderly parents, whatever it is, it is okay if you don't have structure, because sometimes we just can't. So for me, like when the structure itself went out the window, again, I had to kind of go back to what are my main goals because like you, I have an online community, I really want to make sure I'm serving them. So I realized, okay, if I need to not be getting new clients, right now, in order to use my small amount of time to take care of my current community, that will be my goal. So I kind of made sure I knew my top top things, you know, that needed to be done, so that I wasn't spinning my wheels all over the place. That helped me a little bit. And then for the days, I try, so if you do have, our kids are both in school, like two days a week. So those are the days I do zoom calls, I do my filming the things that I absolutely cannot be interrupted, I will block and batch on those days if I can, as much as I can. And then when I have them, I try really hard not to do both. But it's not because they don't I think kids should see you're working. I mean, my kids absolutely know what I do. They're a part of it. Everyone who's a part of my life knows their at Momentum Fest in my videos half the time, like they know what mom does, and that I love it. But I don't do a good enough job at either if I'm trying to watch them and do social media on my phone, like it just doesn't work. I'm not serving anybody. So that's one boundary I try hard to have in place, if I'm with them. If it's mom time, like when school is over, or whatever, then that's what it is. And then they know if it's work time, okay, it's work time, either my husband's home, or a lot of times, it's just after they go to bed at night. And when I'm up till midnight a lot. I don't love it, but it is what it is right now. So that's the that's the few ways I try to structure. It's not always perfect.Lesley Logan  Well, thank you for the honesty. And I think that that's important and it's true, like right now and tell kids are back in school, the normal amount of hours that they used to be, it's just really hard. But also, you know, you went back to what your top priorities are. And I think that there's a blessing and then this disguise of unplanned and not enough boundaries, it's that you can only have so many priorities. And so you're only able to do those, you're not actually able to get distracted by other things, which is probab... it's actually a good thing because I think too many people are like, "Oh, I'm going to do this social media thing over here. And I'm also going to plan this thing over here" and you're like, "No, I'm actually going to be doing these things right now and that's it (Jessica: Yeah) and I'll be okay with that." (Jessica: Yeah)Jessica Valant  And I think it's okay to drop like I do grocery order only. And I refuse to feel bad about it because that's something I had to drop. Like, I don't feel like schlepping the kids. If I have that either. One if the kids aren't here I have, I'm working and that's it. I'm not cleaning the house. I'm not ordering groceries, like, I have to use the time for work. And if I do have them, I don't really like to go to the grocery store at all. So I think unloading the things that you can unload is really good. And then what I try to do is always, like my little shame voices will come out at night, like after the kids go to sleep. It's "Oh, I didn't do enough today. I snapped at them, then I wasn't a good enough, this, I wasn't good enough that" and so I try to remember that and just do, like, whatever during the day is going to help me at night feel like, "You know what I did my best to serve people today." That helps me and I have found it's when I can kind of separate them and just not do them at the same time. I'm either in mom mode, or I'm in work mode. And if I didn't get something done, it's okay - but I, at least, was present for those people in those moments.Lesley Logan  So you, we had another guest here on the podcast, her name is Amy Ledin, she's a friend of mine, I got to introduce you two actually, you... she has five kids. So and she runs an online business and she actually talked about how at night those voices are the ones that are like, telling you like, "You're didn't do this right, you didn't this right, you didn't do this right." And that's actually how she has this thing called DAC, how she actually plans her next day. Her goals for the day are to like if she's like, "Oh, I wasn't present enough as a mom today." (Jessica: Yeah) She's like, "Okay, so intentionally, like, I'm gonna spend 15 minutes with each kid just doing whatever they want to do," right? And so she uses those, like shaming voices to actually, like, dictate how she's going to show up the next day. Because they're just the things that we wish we'd already been doing we hadn't, we promised ourselves we would have done.Jessica Valant  Yeah, exactly. And I think the other thing, I think that's perfect. And the other thing that helps me, and maybe it's because of that constant voice in my head, I will also start to be over..., it just happened this morning, overwhelmed with what I think or how many things I have to do, like, "Oh my gosh, there's so many." So I will just sit down immediately, or the next chance I have and I write them all out like, so here it is, I write them all out and get a brain dump from Marie Forleo calls it a "brain dump," and I dump them all out of my brain and then I can move on. It's amazing to just get them down on paper, be like, "Okay, now I can prioritize them." Or if I do, you know, the kids are happily playing for 20 minutes, I'll look at my list, "I'm like, great, I can get that done, I can check that off, I can check that off." And that helps me a lot.Lesley Logan  So I'm my my therapist, who is also a somatic leadership coach. So it's kind of nice, because sometimes it's actual therapy. And sometimes it's like helping me as a leader, I'm like, "Thank ... I'm glad you're both because I don't have time for more appointments." (Jessica laughs) But she talks about when you're overwhelmed, she's like, she has me write down when I'm overwhelmed all the things just like you do. And then she's like circle, the ones that are actually like a mental overwhelm. Because then we can talk about that separate because a lot of a lot of us have a pattern that like when something is happening, good or bad. We have a pattern in our brain that we go and do that we go through this like overwhelm rehearsal like a loop. And she's like, "If it's serving you, then there's that's something different. But if it's not serving you, then it's like, we have to redefine that pattern." We have to like I said, the new pathway in your brain.Jessica Valant  Yeah, know for sure. And I think for me, the pathway is I'm not doing enough. I'm not good enough. I'm not doing enough versus you're right. I could probably redefine it as maybe a lesson like, "Oh, I've overextended myself, okay, I'll learn from it." Or sometimes I write it down like, "That's not really that long, Jesscia," like ... (Jessica laughs) "You could get that done in an afternoon if you just buckled down."Lesley Logan  Yeah, I do the same thing too. I put some things off and I let them like, like, linger in my head is like something I have to do. It's I don't know why I do it to myself. But it's like, it's a pattern. And then I sit down and do it. If it's an interrupted, like, I can write a newsletter in 15 minutes. Like, this is not hard. Why did I say like, "Oh, I have to do that. I don't have enough time for this." It's like no, if you just turn your phone over and (Jessica: Yeah ...) Yeah, (Jessica: ... exactly.) So, what are you excited about right now? Like, what are you looking forward towards? Or what do you what's on your brain of like, because you're such a creator. What are you working on?Lesley Logan  I'm excited for summer, to be honest, like be in Denver. I'm really excited for summer for a little bit of hope. Like, that's what I feel right now is a little weight off my shoulders, which feels really good and then really Momentum Fest. I mean, we're on like the five week countdown. (Lesley: Aahhh) So, ... like seeing everyone's excitement and realizing that I can that I can be a part of that, you know, instead of being the creator of it, I'm like, "I just want to be a part of it." I mean, I think that's where Momentum Fest comes from is, I it was what I always wanted as a teacher and as a student. So I just love being a part of it like I, I just love being able to lift people up and bring people together. And so yeah, being a part of it and having people excited now that it's coming, that's what I'm really excited about, to give some hugs actually ...Lesley Logan  100%. And I think, you know, during during the pandemic, there was a window, where my friend got to have a very small outdoor wedding. And we were, I mean, Brad and I work from home, were essentially quarantining all the time. But we like we're very intentional for two weeks, like even my brother came to walk the dogs, we're in our office, because he goes out into the world and so we could go to this wedding. You know, everyone was wearing masks outside anyways, but we wanted to make sure that everyone could feel safe. No one wanted to be the wedding that caused an outbreak. And I didn't know how much I needed something to look forward to until I got there. And I did not cry at weddings, I was in like, tears at this woman's wedding. And what I when I think about Momentum Fest this year, is that like, it is something that so many people needed to look forward to like, it's almost like, like a lighthouse. You know, like we're all on the ship, we've been at sea for a long time and there's this lighthouse of hope, and of what can be after all of this. And so, I mean, I have so much like love and adoration for you because it's not easy to... you don't have all the answers. And you are one of very few people are like, "Okay, I'm gonna do this" during a time where there's a lot of unknowns and that's a lot. And I'm glad to hear that you are taking the time to enjoy the excitement around it to.Jessica Valant  I think I'm just there ... (Lesley laughs) because you're right, it's been a lot of, "I don't know, I don't know," but really seeing everybody's support and excitement. Like, "Wow!" it's really, it's really good. And yeah, if I get some hugs out of it, I'll tell you what, (Lesley: Yeah) that'll make my year.Lesley Logan  Oh, Brad and I will be the first. We're gettin' there early. Okay, Jessica, now that everyone's in love with you. And I'm sure so many women with children or lots of dogs like me are like, "Oh, thank goodness, I'm not the only one." Where can they find you, follow you? Where can they connect with you?Lesley Logan  I am @jessicavalantpilates everywhere. So, YouTube is a great place to go. If you want to find free workouts. I do a lot with women's health. So, anyone prenatal, postpartum prolapse, hysterectomy, you'll find a lot of resources if you need it. And then I have a website with a lot of resources and Instagram is always a great place, DM me, email me. I'm all over the place.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we didn't even get into all of the women's health stuff. We'll have to have you back because I think, you know, one of the things I want to get into with this podcast is like, "How our health can really keep us from be it till we see it." So well, we'll have to dive into that um more with you for sure. Okay, so I always ask everyone this question, because it's so nice to be inspired. It's so ni... I mean, you also gave some awesome questions and strategies already, but just in case someone is like skip to the end. And they're like, "Tell me how to Be It Till I See It?" What, what are some strategies that they can do right now that that you would think of for be it till they see it?Jessica Valant  I think one is to just decide what you actually want and you don't have to put definitions on it or anything like that. And it can be so out there, I mean, don't limit yourself. But don't like don't see someone on Instagram that you think is awesome. And be like, "I want to do that" without asking yourself, "Oh, do I actually like fashion?" Like I actually that happens to me, I see fashion bloggers and I'm like, "That looks so awesome. I want to be with her." Well, I don't even know anything. I don't like fashion. What would I want to do that. So first is ask yourself truly and be honest and own it and be excited about it. Like what lights a fire under you? What is your dream about what you love, and stay in that lane for now and don't limit your dreams on that. But don't try to be somebody you're not just because you think you should definitely decide what you want ... For me, it's getting out there. Like one, this is so funny when I was thinking about this podcast this week. Zillow and owning a house is one example I have, so we bought the house we're in a year ago actually in the middle of all of this craziness. But for a year prior maybe two years prior, I had really wanted a house for our family like a house. We were in a walk up with a rooftop and stuff but no yard. I'm like, "I want a house. I want a house" and I just didn't see how it whatever happened in our neighborhood and everything going on. But I would lurk Zillow, and I'm like, "I'm just gonna get on here and I'm gonna look at houses and save them." And I knew that just by learning like about houses and what house was going on the market fast and what wasn't like that information is going to help me I don't know how, I have no idea how, I don't know how we're gonna buy a house here. I don't know how that's gonna work. I don't know how this is gonna help me but it is. And then truly when we came to look at this house, all of that helped because the house didn't show great, but we knew it was a great buy in this neighborhood that it was rare to find. And it's been a dream house for us and our family. And so that's one thing is like, even if you don't know how something's going to happen, if you know what you want, and you know what your passions are, just start either following things on social media or getting on Zillow, or doing Pinterest boards about your dream office space, or finding YouTube fitness folks that you love and just follow it and see how they do things that you like, or don't just be open to getting information because it will serve you when the opportunity comes like prepare yourself so that you're ready when the opportunity comes because it will you just don't know how or when.Lesley Logan  Oh, I have chills and I I can't wait to dive into this conversation with Brad because he's gonna have so much to say about that because we have a very similar story like the "How" is for us we moved a year ago as well. The "How" is and like couldn't figure out the "How" but so, y'all, I really hope you take those two tips and use them and what I'd love for you to do is screenshot this podcast, write your takeaway tag @jessicavalantpilates, tag the @be_it_pod. Let us know so we can cheer for you, root you on and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.Brad Crowell  And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Listen in as I chat with Jessica Valant, Physical Therapist, Pilates Teacher, Founder of Jessica Valant Pilates, Creator of Momentum Fest, Wife and Mom to 2 little ones!She shares all the turns along her path in the Pilates world and why, after building a highly successful online platform, she wanted to bring people together in-person to share the joy of movement via Momentum Fest.Truly, one of the most inspiring leaders in our industry, you'll love hearing all about Jessica's journey in the world of pilates and business.Connect with Jessica Valant on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/jessicavalantpilates/Learn more about Momentum Fest and grab your ticket here: https://momentumfest.com/

Jessica and Martin shared about the notion of being a success. We define success as being who we are called to be and doing what we are called to do. Jessica shared about the Momentumfest event coming up in June.   www.momentumfest.com   Check out the Personal Victory website here: www.personalvictory.ca Sign up for online personal training and Pilates with Martin here: https://tinyurl.com/3vhnpk6m Support The Core Conversations Podcast by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/MartinReid Our Fave Affiliate: Hush Blankets: promo code VICTORY at check out. https://tinyurl.com/6kbyph2w #fitness, #core #conversations, #wellness, #martinreid, #Pilates, #onlinetraining, #ontariowellness,#ontariofitnesstrainer #mississaugaPilates

That's a wrap on Season 4! Tune in to get the lowdown on Momentum Fest, learn how to support the podcast's studio upgrades on Buy Me a Coffee, and see what's coming up in Season 5. I'll be back with new episodes on June 18th!I want to hear from you! Share your thoughts and follow the podcast on Instagram and Facebook @pilatesteachersmanual. Full show notes, episode transcription, and chapter markers can be found on the podcast website here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Episodes now available on YouTube: *https://bit.ly/YouTubePTM*Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.   Show Notes:Learn what Momentum Fest is all about and get your tickets at https://momentumfest.com Momentum Fest is eligible for 16 CECs, so if you need your continuing education credits, it's a worthwhile adventure!Contribute to the Studio Upgrade Campaign on Buy Me A Coffee at https://buymeacoffee.com/OliviaPodcasts.Support the podcast:    Visit https://links.oliviabioni.com/affiliates to take advantage of some sweet savings!Episode Music:This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

Today we explore the good, the bad, and method of teaching blocks of classes, or multiple classes in a row. I teach the majority of my classes in blocks, and I want to share with you what I've learned in three years of marathon teaching. Tune in! I want to hear from you! Share your thoughts and follow the podcast on Instagram and Facebook @pilatesteachersmanual. Full show notes, episode transcription, and chapter markers can be found on the podcast website here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Episodes now available on YouTube: *https://bit.ly/YouTubePTM*Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.   Show Notes:Learn what Momentum Fest is all about and get your tickets at https://momentumfest.com Momentum Fest is eligible for 16 CECs, so if you need your continuing education credits, it's a worthwhile adventure!Support the podcast:    Visit https://links.oliviabioni.com/affiliates to take advantage of some sweet savings!Episode Music:This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

Teaching Pilates is all about finding the right cue for each client in each exercise. I look at strategies to improve your verbal cuing, from recording yourself teaching, listening to other teachers' cues, changing your cue structure, cutting out the unnecessary stuff, and creating the atmosphere you want in your class through your cues. Tune in!I want to hear from you! Share your thoughts and follow the podcast on Instagram and Facebook @pilatesteachersmanual. Full show notes, episode transcription, and chapter markers can be found on the podcast website here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Episodes now available on YouTube: *https://bit.ly/YouTubePTM*Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.   Show Notes:Learn what Momentum Fest is all about and get your tickets at https://momentumfest.comCheck out Chelsea's What You Say Matters course here! Check out Adam McAtee on Instagram here!Support the podcast:    Visit https://links.oliviabioni.com/affiliates to take advantage of some sweet savings!Episode Music:This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

Paige Makoski joins me on the podcast this week! She's a colleague of mine from the Kinexology studio, and she shares her personal Pilates journey, her teaching evolution, how applying motor learning theory totally changed her teaching, and more. Tune in!I want to hear from you! Share your thoughts and follow the podcast on Instagram and Facebook @pilatesteachersmanual. Full show notes, episode transcription, and chapter markers can be found on the podcast website here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Episodes now available on YouTube: *https://bit.ly/YouTubePTM*Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.   Show Notes:Paige is a dedicated Pilates instructor with more than 15 years of experience helping clients transform pain into power. She is a creative problem solver who specializes in Pilates for scoliosis, injury rehab, and sports performance, and is known for helping clients avoid surgery by providing movement-based tools for the long-term management of chronic pain. Paige draws from additional training in dance, functional movement, functional conditioning, and breathwork to connect clients more deeply to their bodies.  You can find Paige on Instagram at @pilateswithpaige and on the web: http://www.pilateswithpaige.com/ You can also check out her group FRC class and private sessions through Kinexology here: https://www.kinexology.com/ Check out Chelsea's What You Say Matters course here! Learn what Momentum Fest is all about and get your tickets at https://momentumfest.comSupport the podcast:    Visit https://links.oliviabioni.com/affiliates to take advantage of some sweet savings!Episode Music:This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

We can all get stuck in a teaching rut, teaching the same exercises the same way, feeling a lack of creativity, or just feeling a bit run down. Today I'm sharing my strategies for getting unstuck! Tune in! I want to hear from you! Share your thoughts and follow the podcast on Instagram and Facebook @pilatesteachersmanual. Full show notes, episode transcription, and chapter markers can be found on the podcast website here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Episodes now available on YouTube: *https://bit.ly/YouTubePTM*Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.   Show Notes:Learn what Momentum Fest is all about and get your tickets at https://momentumfest.comCheck out Rachel's awesome work over at @radpilatesSupport the podcast:    Visit https://links.oliviabioni.com/affiliates to take advantage of some sweet savings!Episode Music:This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

Trina Altman, B.A., NCPT, received her training through STOTT PILATES® and is an E-RYT 500, YACEP®. She’s the creator of Yoga Deconstructed® and Pilates Deconstructed®, which take an interdisciplinary approach to foster an embodied understanding of yoga and Pilates and their relationship to modern movement science.  Trina has presented at Kripalu, the Yoga Alliance Leadership Conference and Momentum Fest, among others.  Her work has been published in Yoga Journal, Yoga International, and Pilates Style magazine and her classes have been featured on Yoga International and Yoga Anytime. She also consulted for Equinox to help develop their signature program Best Stretch Ever, which utilizes the mobility stick to improve functional range of motion, body awareness, and total body strength and has presented an online training for Yoga International entitled Yoga Deconstructed®: Creative Sequencing with Somatics.  Her book, Yoga Deconstructed®: Movement Science Principles For Teaching is available everywhere books are sold. For more information on Trina and her online classes and courses, visit trinaaltman.com.  Follow her on Instagram at: @trinaaltman & on Facebook at: Trina Altman Yoga and Pilates. To learn more about our sponsor Offering Tree and get your teaching online efficiently click here to book a demo or get started. To practice with Kathryn join the Mindful Strength Membership. Start your 7-day free trial and get access to weekly live and recorded classes, plus guest teachers. Click here to join our international practice community. 

I think it is! Momentum Fest isn't an ordinary Pilates conference; it's a opportunity for Pilates students and teachers alike to come together, do some Pilates, and try new things. Here's what I did at virtual Momentum Fest this year, and why I think you would love it as a student! Be sure to check on my story highlights on Instagram for snippets from the classes I attended!   Follow the podcast on Instagram @pilatesstudentsmanual and on the web here: https://bit.ly/PilatesStudentsManual for the latest!  Email pilatesstudentsmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.  Notes:  These are the Instagram handles of everyone I took class with! Check them out!  Carrie Pages - @carriepagespilates  Jessica Valant - @jessicavalantpilates  Nikki Naab-Levy - @naablevy  Maria Earle - @maria_earle  Danica Kalemdaroglu - @pilates804  Mychele Sims - @get2werk  Vonne Atkinson - @vonne_pilates_around_town  Roxy Menzies - @roxyspiral  Jason Williams - @charmcitypt  Anula Maiberg - @anulamaiberg  Lorna Bennett - @lornabennettcoaching  Brooke Tyler - @brooke.b.tyler  Marimba Gold-Watts - @articulatingbody  Delia Buckmaster - @deliapilates  Becky Phares - @beckypharespilates  Momentum Fest - @momentumfest  Check out Jessica Valant's interview on the Pilates Teachers' Manual podcast here: *https://bit.ly/JessicaPTM*  Support the podcast:    Boka toothpaste: 15% off of your first order! *http://bit.ly/bokaPTM*  Fabletics activewear: Get your first two pairs of leggings for $24! *http://bit.ly/fableticsPTM*   Kencko smoothies: $10 off your first purchase of this delicious, portable smoothie subscription! *http://bit.ly/kenckoPTM*  Package Free Shop zero waste shopping: $10 off your first order and go green! *http://bit.ly/packagefreePTM*  Ritual multivitamin: $15 off your first month of minty vitamins! First 10 sign ups only! *http://bit.ly/ritualPTM*  Winc wine subscription: $22 off your first order of wine! *https://bit.ly/wincPSM*  Episode Music:  This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Syn Cole - Gizmo [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/pZzSq8WfsKoFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/GizmoTrack: Syn Cole - Feel Good [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/q1ULJ92aldEFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/feelgoodSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

I spent the weekend at Momentum Fest, enjoying three full days of movement classes, workshops, and community talks. I'm here to share a little about what I learned, what I loved, and all things virtual Momentum Fest! Be sure to look at my Instagram story highlights for snippets of all the classes!  Follow the podcast on Instagram @pilatesteachersmanual and on the web here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual for the latest! Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.  Notes:  These are the Instagram handles of everyone I took class with! Check them out!  Carrie Pages - @carriepagespilates  Jessica Valant - @jessicavalantpilates  Nikki Naab-Levy - @naablevy  Maria Earle - @maria_earle  Danica Kalemdaroglu - @pilates804  Mychele Sims - @get2werk  Vonne Atkinson - @vonne_pilates_around_town  Roxy Menzies - @roxyspiral  Jason Williams - @charmcitypt  Anula Maiberg - @anulamaiberg  Lorna Bennett - @lornabennettcoaching  Brooke Tyler - @brooke.b.tyler  Marimba Gold-Watts - @articulatingbody  Delia Buckmaster - @deliapilates  Becky Phares - @beckypharespilates  Momentum Fest - @momentumfest  Check out Jessica Valant's interview on the podcast here: *https://bit.ly/JessicaPTM*  Support the podcast:    Boka toothpaste: 15% off of your first order! *http://bit.ly/bokaPTM*  Fabletics activewear: Get your first two pairs of leggings for $24! *http://bit.ly/fableticsPTM*   Kencko smoothies: $10 off your first purchase of this delicious, portable smoothie subscription! *http://bit.ly/kenckoPTM*  Package Free Shop zero waste shopping: $10 off your first order and go green! *https://bit.ly/packagePTM*  Ritual multivitamin: $15 off your first month of minty vitamins! First 10 sign ups only! *https://bit.ly/RitualPTM*  Episode Music:  This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

If the right way is not my nervous system’s way in this moment then I’m going to override what my nervous system is telling me and I’m going to suffer both physically -- physical injury -- but my psychology also suffers because I’ve now disconnected and thought what my system is telling me is not okay.My work was always with complex trauma survivors and so isn’t that what they bring? They’ve been told that what's happening in here either really isn’t happening, because what you see out here is not going on, or what’s happening in here is not okay, you need to disavow it. -- Deb DanaI'm always amazed at how synchronistic life is. When I'm feeling anxious, pushing, worrying that I haven't done something in the "right" time, I'm rewarded by relaxing and simply being present with what is. That's how this interview manifested. Talking with Deb Dana couldn't be better timed although for a long time I'd wished we'd have gotten to it sooner.After listening to the interview again, I'm confident that it will be eye-opening, insightful, infinitely informative, and transformative for the way you relate not only to your teaching but all that's happening in the world -- your personal and professional spheres and in your relationships to the larger world.If you are interested in finding something that will support you in attending to all that the world is beggin you to attend to, but more importantly, what your own nervous system is asking you to contend with, this will go a long way to do that.And, as always, we're funny and thoughtful and it's just a damn good conversation. ;)Listen. Really listen. Take it in. Notice where it applies to you and your life. Smile. Rewind. Smile some more. Pass it on.More About Deb DanaMy passion for Polyvagal Theory guides my work, my writing, and my teaching. Polyvagal Theory, developed by Dr. Stephen Porges, offers a way to understand the human autonomic nervous system and directly engage with habitual patterns of response. Through a polyvagal lens we can learn to listen to our embodied stories. Using a polyvagal perspective, we can let go of self criticism and bring an open heart to exploring our daily experience. Out of Stephen Porges's brilliant work developing Polyvagal Theory, a world-wide community of Polyvagal-informed people and systems is developing as we better understand the power of the autonomic nervous system to guide our movements and shape our stories. My work as a clinician, consultant, andlecturer is focused on using the lens of Polyvagal Theory to understand and resolve the impact of trauma and create ways of working that honor the role of the autonomic nervous system as we move through states of protection and connection in an ongoing quest for safety. Deb Dana's website: RhythmofregulationLearn more about her books: Polyvagal Exercises for Safety and ConnectionThe Polyvagal Theory in TherapyClinical Applications of the Polyvagal TheoryPolyvagal Flip ChartLearn more about workshops and opportunities.Connect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951Debora - dkolwey@gmail.com James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToChantillThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's Program! Learn more about the programJoin our Facebook group: Bold, Brave + Boredom-free Teaching RoadmapLots of Online curriculum right now!The 28-Day Course - Writing For Resilience, Safety + Positive Change - Starts July 19thObservation Empathy and Intuition in Teaching - Zoom Workshop, Friday, June 26th 11 am - 1 pm PSTEnter the Vagus (12-hours of video, audio, reading, discussion, exercises and more) Name Your Own PriceJamesCheck out James' new website - JamesCrader.comLearn more about SOSOur Episode SponsorMomentum FestZoom Live Event: June 26-28Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration that will now be held virtually and be no less wonderful.A note from MFWe are excited to be able to bring Momentum Fest to you in 2020! Our Virtual Experience will be held June 26-28, 2020, and will include our amazing line up of 2020 presenters, vendors and sponsors, as well as some surprise guest presenters from previous years!momentumfest.comThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (Enroll now with a customized start date and project cohort)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training!Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE about the program. Join the conversation on Facebook by joining the Bold, Brave + Boredom-free Teaching Roadmap. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Movement is life. If we go to all life forms, there's movement even breathing in the cells of our bodies -- or in multi-celled creatures -- there’s always movement and vibration and the movement of fluid. It’s through movement that we meet the world and the world meets us, and we have a chance to interact and grow. -- Mariko TanabeThis conversation has been a long time in coming with Mariko Tanabe, Body Mind Centering Faculty and Program Director of Esprit en Mouvement in Montreal. James and I recorded this interview many months ago and because of the world being on its ear, we've simply been delayed in giving it to you. You're really going to enjoy this conversation about the "spark of human movement" and the journey to connect to it with Mariko. James and I had the pleasure of working with Mariko last March (2019) at a BMC workshop.Listen. Move. Breathe in. Breathe out. You. Are. Alive.More About Mariko TanabeMariko Tanabe is inspired by the healing powers of human movement and expression. She has been performing and presenting her choreographic works during the past 25 years in Asia, Europe, and North America. Mariko teaches workshops to dance companies and at universities, art centers and schools throughout the world. She mentors artists and maintains a private practice working with individuals of all backgrounds. For 12 years she worked with American dance master Erick Hawkins in NYC as a principal dancer, teacher and rehearsal director. She is a Certified Teacher and Practitioner of Body-Mind Centering®, as well as an Infant Developmental Movement Educator, Yoga teacher and Registered Somatic Therapist.Mariko's website: MarikoTanabe.comMariko is also the director of Esprit En Mouvement, the Body Mind Centering program in MontrealConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951Debora - dkolwey@gmail.com James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToChantillThe Science + Psychology of TEaching Master's Program! Enrollment begins Monday, March 23rd!Learn more about the programJoin our Facebook group: Bold, Brave + Boredom-free Teaching RoadmapLots of Online curriculum right now!Enter the Vagus (12-hours of video, audio, reading, discussion, exercises and more)JamesCheck out James' new website - JamesCrader.comLearn more about SOSOur Episode SponsorMomentum FestDenver, CO June 26-28Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 26-28 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.comThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort March 2, 2020)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training!Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE about the program. Join the conversation on Facebook by joining the Bold, Brave + Boredom-free Teaching Roadmap. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Today's episode features the incredible Pilates teacher and Momentum Fest co-founder  Jessica Valant! She shares her journey to Pilates, what's happening with the Momentum Fest's virtual offerings  this June, and inspiring advice for Pilates teachers and studios. Be sure to grab your tickets to Momentum Fest at early bird pricing at momentumfest.com!  Jessica has been a physical therapist and Pilates teacher for 20 years. She is recognized as an expert in the field due to her experience, women's health expertise, continuing education workshops, successful YouTube channel and online membership site. Jessica and her husband are also the founders of Momentum Fest, a three day Pilates and movement festival meant to bring joy, celebration and community to the fitness world. You can find her at JessicaValantPilates.com and @jessicavalantpilates on social media.  Follow the podcast on Instagram @pilatesteachersmanual and on the web here: http://bit.ly/pilatesteachersmanual for the latest!  Be sure to subscribe to the podcast for updates, and rate and review wherever you listen!  Email pilatesteachersmanual@oliviabioni.com with your feedback.  Support the podcast:    Boka toothpaste: 15% off of your first order! *http://bit.ly/bokaPTM*  Fabletics activewear: Get your first two pairs of leggings for $24! *http://bit.ly/fableticsPTM*   Kencko smoothies: $10 off your first purchase of this delicious, portable smoothie subscription! *http://bit.ly/kenckoPTM*  Package Free Shop zero waste shopping: $10 off your first order and go green! *https://bit.ly/packagePTM*  Ritual multivitamin: $15 off your first month of minty vitamins! First 10 sign ups only! *https://bit.ly/RitualPTM*  Episode Music:  This episode uses NCS music in compliance with https://ncs.io/usage-policyTrack: Tobu - Good Times [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/YHSH9k9ooZYFree Download / Stream: http://ncs.io/goodtimesTrack: Tobu & Itro - Sunburst [NCS Release]Music provided by NoCopyrightSounds.Watch: https://youtu.be/4lXBHD5C8doSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/oliviapodcasts)

In this episode, Nikki chats with Jessica Valant about what she's learned from running Momentum Fest for the past two years. They discuss: - How Jessica's own experiences and challenges have inspired her current perspective of teaching movement - Jessica's thoughts on creating a business model that makes sense for you and why it's okay to change your mind - What Jessica is excited for at Momentum Fest this year Then Jessica turns the tables and interviews Nikki, where they discuss Nikki's thoughts for taking action even if you suffer from self doubt + her thoughts on how to move past imposter syndrome. About Jessica Valant: Jessica Valant, MSPT, PMA-CPT, is a licensed Physical Therapist, Nationally Certified Pilates Teacher, continuing education provider, proud mama and movement lover. She believes when people feel strong and free in their own bodies it can lead to a ripple of more kindness and love in the world. Jessica is recognized as a leader in the Pilates industry due to her extensive experience, continuing education courses, women’s health expertise, successful online Pilates studio and popular Youtube channel. Her work has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine, Shape Magazine and Thrillest and she has been named a YouTube Creator on the Rise and Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Competition Finalist. Jessica and her husband, Brian, founded Momentum Fest in 2017 in order to create an inclusive, loving and fun place for all people to celebrate movement together. Jessica can be found at www.jessicavalantpilates.com, on social media @jessicavalantpilates or at home in Denver wrangling two young kids.

Why should we care about embryology as movement educators? Why should we care if all of our cells are in a creative mode or not? Is there a history in us from the time of the moment of our making that can inform how we express our bodies today? Join me and Debora Kolwey with Body-Mind Psychotherapy creator, Susan Aposhyan, for this wonderful conversation that kicks off our final season.The way I define embodiment is on a cellular level. Cellularly we can be in a physiologically creative mode or be in more of a routine, somewhat shutdown, minimally functioning mode. It used to be that people were saying a lot of “I was my body, I was out of my body,” and I’d say it’s not that simple, that’s not helpful to reduce embodiment to a binary set of states. But if we think about it on a cellular level…out of our 37 trillion cells how many of those cells are in a creative mode and how many of them are in a habitual mode? That’s how I define embodiment. If you look at every other creature on the planet they’re hovering close to 90 percent to 100 percent of embodiment. In that sense embodiment means that whatever that is coming in to the organism, whether it’s material or immaterial, in the case of thoughts and perceptions, is processed with no holds barred, and then expressed out with no limitations. So there’s a free flow of energy. Stuff comes in and energy, behavior goes out. So for example you don’t see coyotes trying not to fart. It's just input output, input output… .That’s a very concrete way that we stop our embodiment, that we stop our physiological processing. We’re trying not to belch or fart or smell or sweat, but also we’re trying not to laugh or cry or express our pain or jump up and down if we’re in a classroom, or run away if somebody scares us. There’s so many ways we stop our embodied flow. And as adults we’ve learned how to do that. Human adults are unique really in their ability to put cells into a habitually fixed mode and leave them there for decades at a time. Listen. Get quiet. Question what you know. Enjoy and share.More About Susan AposhyanSusan considers her work a convergence of dance, psychology, meditation, Body-Mind Centering.Here are some of Susan's answers to her pre-interview questions...Q: What has been one of the most difficult challenges to overcome in your professional life?A: Division between physicality, psychology, and spiritualityQ: What inspires you about the future of your profession / field?A: UnificationQ: What worries or concerns you about the future of your profession / field?A: RigidificationSusan's webiste: Body Mind PsychotherapyExplore Susan's books: hereBody-Mind PsychotherapyNatural IntelligenceFind out where Susan is teaching: hereConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951Debora - dkolwey@gmail.com James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToChantillEnter the Vagus - Friday, Jan. 31 - Monday, Feb. 3rdSanta Barbara @ Aligned Pilates StudioA la carte options available for partial enrollmentWords Matter - Feb. 10th - April 12thOnline Writing + Verbal Cueing WorkshopJamesCheck out James' new website - JamesCrader.comLearn more about SOSOur Episode SponsorMomentum FestDenver, CO June 26-28Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 26-28 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.comThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort March 2, 2020)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training!Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE about the program. Join the conversation on Facebook by joining the Bold, Brave + Boredom-free Teaching Roadmap. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

The first question I wanted to ask Yoga Tune Up creator, Jill Miller, but didn't was how do you perceive your level of success?I didn't because there wasn't a natural opening that wouldn't have left you all feeling like "Why the hell is Chantill derailing this conversation". However...we DID talk about Korean natural gardening, bulimia, hip replacements, learning to walk, and many more strange and offbeat things that are sure to leave you feeling like you just watched a Wes Anderson movie. (Good thing.)How does someone who's made a life in movement and movement education hold kind and compassionate space for her own pain, dis-ease, recovery, and rehabilitation? It's a story I think will resonate with a lot of you.And in between we GEEK out on connective tissue, the vagus nerve (her starstruck moment with the man himself, Stephen Porges), current research, and being with people. It was a wonderful curiosity exclamation point to wrap our third and final (full) season. Read on. Listen. Enjoy. And be kind to yourself. In my 20s when I was researching my own disease, my bulimia, I came across of the work of the dr Michael Gershon and his findings on the enteric nervous system. That was the first time I ever learned anything about the vagus nerve and that the vagus was exclusively responsible for your digestion. I knew there must be a link for myself with the erraticness that I created with my disease and this relationship to my nervous system; the feedback that my organs must be giving to my brain via the vagus. This is something that was a quest and an inquiry for me a long time ago. More About Jill MillerYoga Tune Up + Tune Up FitnessFind her on Instagram:@yogatuneup @tuneupfitness Facebook:@jillmillerfaust @TuneUpFitnessOther interesting and relevant links:Dr. Michael Gershon on The Enteric Nervous System: A Second BrainKorean Natural FarmingConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorMomentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.comThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort Fall 2019)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Anna Hartman is the best of us. She is deeply intelligent and unfailingly kind. She is generous, curious, willing, open, and creative. She cares about people in a way I've seen few others. This interview is a wonderful opportunity to experience the potential of brilliance infused with a willingness to be wrong.Meet my dear friend and colleague, the tinkerer, Anna Hartman.Listen. Delight. Smile. Feel inspired and alive and renewed. Pass it on. {My work as I see it is to} ultimately, get people to appreciate and love the act of critical thinking and exploring. And actually it’s funny to say it but return to the foundation of the scientific method, which is to have a hypothesis and try to prove it wrong, or prove it right. Not feel like a failure when it doesn’t work the way you thought it would, but feel like that’s just more information and go from there.In teaching people that…often times people watch me practice or watch me work with somebody or explain what I do and will say ‘Oh, it’s very intuitive.’ It is but it’s not.It’s just a curiosity for “Hey, what if I try this, what happens? What if I try this?" And if you boil that down it’s what we first learned in grade school when we were learning about the scientific method -- is that it’s okay to be wrong, in fact you’re probably always going to be wrong, and the beauty in it is proving it, is discovering…In the act of trying to prove it right or prove it wrong you’re going to discover more and more questions. More About Anna HartmanAnna Hartman AT, MS, ATC, CSCS(R), PMA-CPT(R) is an Athletic Trainer with 17 years of experience working with athletes in the NFL, MLB, NBA, USTA, WTA, PGA, LPGA, NHL, MLS, and Olympic sports. Anna is also a PMA Certified Pilates Teacher, comprehensively trained in Polestar Pilates, has completed a 200hr Vinyasa Yoga training, and is a NSCA Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach. For the past 6 years Anna has been studying and practicing The Barral Institute’s Visceral, Neural, Vascular, and Articular Manipulation techniques for assessment and manual therapy as well as exploring the integration of osteopathic philosophies within her movement, rehabilitation and performance methods. As an athletic training professional, she’s presented at world-class conferences such as the National Athletic Trainers Association Annual Symposium, and has been featured in on big-name fitness sites such as USA Today Sports, Women’s Running and ESPN, just to name a few. Now, Anna is the Founder of MovementREV and utilizes manual therapy and movement working with professional athletes to restore and revitalize their body in order to enhance their performance, decrease their injury potential, and create space in their body and mind. Anna also consults with various professional athletes during their season, traveling on a regular basis to keep them healthy, moving well, and performing at a high level.MovementREV’s 6 month online group mentorship program for sports healthcare providers called: REVitalize offers a new, unique perspective for sports healthcare while providing long term support for assimilation of information into your work, helping you to be more efficient and effective in your practice so you can feel fulfilled, inspired, and successful and ultimately avoid burnout.Previously, Anna was the Director of Performance Physical Therapy at EXOS (formerly Athletes’ Performance) where she worked for 11 years. When she’s not traveling, speaking, healing or teaching, you can find Anna close to the water with a margarita in-hand or taking even more movement and professional education classes. To find out more about Anna, go to www.movementrev.com. Connect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort Fall 2019)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Out. Of. The. Box...And into the sun! Nadine Artemis (it's a name made in heaven), author of Renegade Beauty and Holistic Dental Care, and founder of the natural beauty and wellness elixir company Living Libations, joins James and I for a lively and insightful conversation about the sun, our skin, and our souls. It is sweet, eye-opening, fun, and in places startling -- in the "I'm smiling ear-to-ear because I can't quite believe what I'm hearing but I LOVE IT" kinda way.Listen and have your perspective on being more fully human (nurturing yourself and the environment you live in) cracked open just a little bit. Always pushing at the edges...Listen. Enjoy. Share. Get out in the sun without sunscreen for just 10 minutes! More About Nadine ArtemisFounder of: Living LibationsAuthor of: Holistic Dental CareRenegade BeautyConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort Fall 2019)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

In this episode, Nikki chats with Pilates teacher Grace Hurry about her experience with Instagram and transitioning from being a professional ballet dancer to a Pilates teacher and studio owner. They also cover Grace's tips for keeping a realistic and positive perspective when navigating social media and why she thinks it's important to take time to unplug from the online space.  About Grace Hurry Grace is from the UK and first fell in love with movement when she started ballet at the age of 2.  At age 11 she was accepted to full time ballet school where she was lucky enough to be introduced to Pilates, which became an integral part of Grace’s dance training and career. In 2010 Grace transitioned from professional dancer to ballet and Pilates teacher, and became certified through the Royal Academy of Dance, the Pilates Method Alliance, and Body Arts and Science International (BASI) Pilates in the UK. She later competed the Mentor and Master programs with Rael Isacowtiz in California. After 3 years of teaching in the Cayman Islands, Grace now lives on the island of Jersey in the Channel Islands and co-owns a Pilates studio there. She also guest teaches and hosts Pilates retreats internationally and is a member of the BASI Pilates faculty. She is so excited to be returning to Momentum Fest for a second year!

In this episode, Nikki chats with Pilates teacher, physical therapist, and creator of Momentum Fest, a 3 day Pilates Festival, Jessica Valant about why she created Momentum Fest and the importance of making time for play and a personal Pilates practice in addition to continuing education. They also discuss what Jessica learned from running Momentum Fest last year for the first time, who the event is for, what to expect, and why we should embrace all styles of movement.  About Jessica Valant Jessica Valant, MSPT, PMA-CPT, is a licensed Physical Therapist, PMA Certified Pilates Instructor, continuing education provider, proud mama and movement lover. She believes when people feel strong and free in their own bodies it can lead to a ripple of more kindness and love in the world. Jessica is recognized as a leader in the Pilates industry due to her extensive experience, continuing education courses, women’s health expertise, successful online Pilates studio and popular Youtube channel. Her work has been featured in Pilates Style Magazine, Shape Magazine and Thrillest and she has been named a YouTube Creator on the Rise and Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Competition Finalist. Jessica and her husband, Brian, founded Momentum Fest in 2017 in order to create an inclusive, loving and fun place for all people to celebrate movement together. Jessica can be found at www.jessicavalantpilates.com, on social media @jessicavalantpilates or at home in Denver wrangling two young kids.

The point about curiosity is to be able to be okay with not knowing. If we cultivate the capacity for this -- and this comes from the listening -- we can actually be experiencing and appreciate our present moment reality, vs. the insistence on strategizing, fixing, etc. Then there is openness and even wonder and delight in our curiosity. -- Debora KolweyCuriosity can mean more than one thing?Curiosity can influence different states of being...free or stuck?What does it mean to listen?WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SPACE WE LEAVE WHEN WE STOP TALKING?Mmmm....this was such a heartfelt, thoughtful, and deeply rich conversation with our podcast mama, Debora Kolwey. I'm so glad we got to have her back on the show and even gladder ;) to be able to share her beautiful insights with all of you.If you like our vibe, don't miss the upcoming opportunity to be with us both in Vancouver (ish) BC this April (April 27th - 29th). Get the details below on this wonderful retreat: Pilates Beyond Boundaries. But for now...Listen. Soak it up. Get curious. And love the love that is Debora Kolwey!Connect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:April - Humani Pilates, Sacramento, CA April 6th 12 - 6 pm, A New Path to Shoulder Health Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)Pilates Beyond Boundaries, April 26-29May - Virginia/DC studio crawlMichigan - Details TBDJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort #2 2019 Begins in May)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23EARLY REGISTRATION ENDS APRIL 15TH!Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

There may be words somewhere, at some point, but I'm not quite sure what they are. James and I, along with two of our most beloved colleagues, Claudia Moose and Louise Johns, recently spent 4 days in Berkeley, CA with the soulful Bonnie Bainbridge Cohen. The topic of our time with her: Engaging Self and Other Through Embodiment. Phew. Yes. What? Shaking. My. Head. Head in hands. Tears. Knowing. Not knowing. This is one of our many "download", WTF just happened/is happening, could this be any more strange and amazing, conversations. This...is what happens when you find yourself in the right place at the right time being drawn into yourself, into others, and into the force that is your life NOT separate from everything and everyone else. Listen. Period. Then get your ass in a seat in front of this woman. xo"I don't know. I don't have the answer. Fortunately, I don't need to know." -- March 2019"One of the things I think is essential with sensing, is that we reach a point where we become conscious and then we let it go, so that the sensing itself is not a motivation; that our motivation is action, based on perception." CQ, Winter 1981"Cellular embodiment and awareness is a state in which all cells have equal opportunity for expression and receptivity. The structure is one of an open forum, in which all cells share the power of the group collective (tissue, organ, body) by embodying their present state of being. This does not mean that all cells are the same. It means they are each totally free to state their mind and to support and respond to the experiences and expressions of all the other cells within their present community of cells." 1988Be drawn into...yourself. Rest. Allow. Listen. Be...still. Smile.More About Bonnie Bainbridge CohenThere's just too much to say. So, here ya go:About BonnieAbout BMCBody-Mind CenteringBooks and VideosConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Humani Pilates, Sacramento, CA April 6th 12 - 6 pm, A New Path to Shoulder Health Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)Pilates Beyond Boundaries, April 26-29May - Virginia/DC studio crawlMichigan - Details TBDJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of Teaching (NEW Cohort #2 2019 Begins in May)Dive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

What happens when we don't strive for perfection but for finding the perfection in what is imperfect? Dr. Suzanne Martin shares with us her journey with scoliosis and how it's manifested in her new book "Spinal Asymmetry and Scoliosis – Movement and Function Solutions for the Spine, Ribcage and Pelvis." It's a clear, expressive, multidimensional, and expansive approach to working with asymmetries in the body especially those caused by scoliosis. The most refreshing thing about her new book is that it's not just another protocol to follow (although there are plenty of guidelines), but a way of seeing asymmetry and making space for creating harmony in the body as it is. Balancing the body and the person within a well-designed and thoughtful framework of: 3 E strategy: ergonomics, exercise and emotion Movement acquisition strategy for teaching: imagine, think and feel3 elements/stages of exercise: somatic, corrective and conditioning And then there's a little about Keith Richards too!It's a lovely and unexpected journey.Listen. Ponder. Smile. Nod your head. Hmmmmm? down the road hither and yon. Enjoy. Share. Embrace your perfect imperfection.Itzhak Perlman is an Israeli-American violinist. Perlman said, “This has been my vocation, my life-long mission- to make music out of what remains.” This is the mission of working with asymmetries, no matter from what situation.I felt compelled to make a contribution where traditional PT and/or medicine is not enough. My personal and family physical journey found that medicine is not enough. I was exposed early on to the enormous task of healing, surviving, and thriving past catastrophic illness, through exposure to a variety of family members. In myself, there was no one to help early on in my physical journey.As a result I became determined to become more knowledgeable in order to be a light to show others that life can be perfect in its imperfections. I am constantly inspired by the resilience of others.In the past 5 years, I've had friends and colleagues in my age group, who were fit and leaders in their fields, die suddenly without warning. If I wanted to speak out, this was the time.More About Suzanne MartinFounder of Pilates Therapeutics - pilatestherapeutics.comAuthor of Spinal Asymmetry and ScoliosisFind her on Instagram @ptherapeuticsFacebook - facebook.com/pilatestherapeutics and facebook.com/suzanneclementsmartinTwitter - ptherapeuticsConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Humani Pilates, Sacramento, CA April 6th 12 - 6 pm, A New Path to Shoulder Health Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)Pilates Beyond Boundaries, April 26-29May - Virginia/DC studio crawlMichigan - Details TBDJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June.Learn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of TeachingDive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

We are many voices. Thousands more than can be heard here, but we've opened the door for some of those voices to come through. The Curiosity Mashup is YOU. It's what and who inspires you. Like you find yourself in our voices, we've found ourselves in yours. This is literally short and very, very sweet. And we're grateful to those who contributed. Listen. Smile. See yourself. Share."I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." -- Albert Einstein More About Our ContributorsBrooke Fricke - Re:Form Pilates, Richmond, VAI teach Pilates because I believe it will make the world a better place, one person at a time. If we can feel better in our bodies, move with more ease and resiliency, we can discover a gateway into a much richer experience of life. It is my passion to teach others that we can absolutely, without question, get better with age. That we can thrive, build unbelievable strength and agility into our 50's, 60's, 70's and beyond.I have a profound respect for the work of Joe Pilates, he really was a genius in his own right. I believe Pilates is one of the best, most effective ways to undo the effects of modern day life. I also just love movement and am constantly experimenting and learning different ways to bring more joy and independence to the lives of the people I have the fortune to support.reformrichmond.com​Bonnie Lafave - ReAlign Pilates, Carson City, NVI’ve been teaching Pilates for the past 18 years and am a certified Pilates Method Alliance Teacher. I am a graduate of the Fletcher Pilates Comprehensive Program, the Kathy Grant Heritage Training Program, and the PhysicalMind Institute program as well as hold numerous other training certificates. I am also involved in an ongoing mentoring program.To her students: Pilates is a practice and my passion. It is my commitment to you that I will continue to practice Pilates and attend trainings and workshops. If I stop learning and practicing then I should not be teaching Pilates. This is important for you, as the consumer, to know about my commitment!With patience and persistence your potential is endless! Respect where you are today and come on a journey with me to see how Pilates and movement can transform your mind, body and spirit!realigncc.comPauline Caswell - Love Pilates, Hoylake, Wirral, UKI have over 15 years experience as a teacher and will never stop learning. My school Biology teacher was my first inspiration for learning about the human body. Aged 13, I thought our bodies were truly amazing machines... 24 years later ....I was that Biology teacher! In 2016 I swapped the science lab for the community centre. I wanted to share Pilates in my local community. It's now a complete joy for me to be able to share these amazing benefits of moving with everyone I meet.One of my favourite thoughts: "Everything is connected!"lovepilates4all.co.ukRegan Zubak - Village Pilates, Forest Park, ILRegan is the owner, operator and master instructor of Village Pilates Studio. She opened VPS in 2005 and loves working with her clients every day, collaborating with the vps staff, leading the Teacher Training Program, and hosting Continuing Education Workshops for students and professionals.In light of the Village Pilates Studio mission, Regan Zubak is consciously creating a ‘village’ atmosphere, with high educational and professional standards, for people to feel welcome and motivated to practice Pilates. She is dedicated in being a trustworthy Pilate's teacher, one who is thorough, caring and careful, and keeps abreast on the ever growing information in the field.villagepilatesstudio.comConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:Feb - Body Mind and Core and the Indianapolis area (workshops and anatomy)March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)May - Virginia/DC studio crawlJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June. Early bird deadline, Dec. 15thLearn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of TeachingDive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, Polyvagal Theory + more.FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time.Momentum FestDenver, CO June 21-23Momentum Fest™ is a three day Pilates and movement celebration. Feed your body, mind and soul with empowering fitness classes, motivating conversations and uplifting connections. Momentum Fest 2019 will be held June 21-23 in Denver, CO. Join us as we laugh, breathe and move together.FOR ANYONE WANTING TO FIND THEIR TRUE STRENGTHStudents, teachers, young, old, beginners, professionals – Momentum Fest is holding a place for you. All you need is a love of movement and a desire to live inspired.momentumfest.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Wild woman. Wisdom body. The tube. Nervous system neutral. The sacred and powerful minute and a half.Meet Augusta Moore. Movement pioneer, Feldenkrais teacher, survivor, ballet dancer/educator, somatics cosmonaut, your guide to meeting yourself. This episode of the podcast is like reading a chapter from a wonderful and strange novel. It's a peek into the life and teaching of someone called to do the work of the body with arms thrown wide, eyes open and bright, and heart aflame. All of this and ZERO hesitation in pushing the edges of somatic exploration in the realm professional ballet. Why not?!Listen. Giggle. Shake your head. Raise an eyebrow. LAUGH OUT LOUD. Embrace and enjoy. Share."I’m really talking about a nervous system neutral.I’m asking the students: 'Let’s see if we can feel the pain for a minute and a half. I'm going to time us. Go to that place. And if you don’t want to feel the pain let’s spend a minute and a half contemplating that one day we might feel the pain.' Because it’s kinda crappy to ask people to feel their pain. But a lot of times most of us can only stand it for about 15 seconds and then we escape. I time it and I tell people 'Oh, we’re at about 20 seconds. Now continue.' Then I ask them: Are you starting to get into the story. Can we leave the story and can we go back to just to the sensation.' The story will take you out of neutral. So it’s that kind of thing I’m working on. And it almost always dissipates for people..." (@ 43 mins)Connect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:Feb - Body Mind and Core and the Indianapolis area (workshops and anatomy)March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)May - Virginia/DC studio crawlJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June. Early bird deadline, Dec. 15thLearn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of TeachingDive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, polyvagal theory + more. FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

What'd I miss? And what does soap have to do with it? Nothing. But it makes for a fun backdrop for some potentially juicy stuff: labels, identity, growth and learning, becoming discerning and losing our way, finding it again and discovering as if for the first time what it is we do. This is what James and I are up to in this episode. It's a refreshing and honest conversation about asking the WHAT and the WHY of what we do both on paper and in real-life in the studio everyday.We're mashing up the past three episodes and unraveling some of the ideas and mining them for all they're worth.Join us. Jump in. Question. Smile. Laugh. Enjoy! Share :)What's soap got to do with it?"I'm gonna make soap. The first one was like a soap volcano in my kitchen. There was a naivety there, an optimism of I have a little bit of training here, here are all of the components, I'm just going to do this, and the outcome was not as anticipated. So I did more research and I practiced again. And the second batch came out better. So I decided to make a third one. The third one I got a little ahead of myself. I did the research, I did the basic thing. Then it was a little watery and I realized I hadn't put in the beeswax. I realized that I'd gotten ahead of myself. It was the perfect example of the learning process..." -- j"In the beginning of doing something, there is a lovely naivety and clarity in what we're doing. And that's appropriate and that's exciting and it allows for plenty of space for taking in new information. But it takes time and you do you go out there and you learn a lot and you practice a lot and you refine a lot. That's also exciting and rich. It's where we're just getting to know ourselves in relationship to the thing and we're learning the language and adding our own language and we're creating and deepening. To then...like, make soap. To be able to have a thing, that we know...that we can call it something. But unlike making soap, we get confused along the way and that also feels appropriate, like a part of what has to happen. And also, it doesn't have to happen if we're asking ourselves the right questions early on like: What's guiding me, what's guiding my choices?" -- cConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:Feb - Body Mind and Core and the Indianapolis area (workshops and anatomy)March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)May - Virginia/DC studio crawlJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June. Early bird deadline, Dec. 15thLearn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of TeachingDive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, polyvagal theory + more. FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Heather Vaughan-Southard, an intuitive, expansive, creative, thoughtful, and powerful teacher touching people across many realms, professions, cultures and in deep and wonderful ways. If you've ever felt like your work is on the "fringe" or that you want to walk the line and push the edges a bit more but you think it'll never work or you have no idea how to get there this is your episode. Where the spark lies is not necessarily where you think.A little bit about the BIG things we dive into:Approaching social justice through movementWhat is movement design?Blending skills and converging fields + flexibility in moving throughWhere are the interesting questions being asked? Higher education or not?How is movement holding you back and where is it inviting more possibility?What does it mean to define "your work"?How we're being compelled to emerge into a different way of teaching movementReturning permission to people to experience themselvesMovement-based Mindfulness ™ + Creative Self-CareWhat is diversity in movementRemoving judgement and experiencing the honesty of life through movementA different look at the power of assessmentListen. Ponder. Let yourself go. Take it in and listen for YOURSELF in the words...You're in there. Take a deep breath and share.Note From Heather: Near the end of the episode, I mention assessment and give context to my experience. I want to correct my statement. The MI law has been *interpreted* by some school districts as having a portion of student growth in educator evaluation determined by state test scores, no matter the content area. While for the pilates professional, this detail in a brief comment may not be important, for those who may listen and come from outside the pilates world, I want to clarify. Technical Note: Unfortunately, we had some technical difficulty with the audio in this episode. Hopefully you will be able to listen past it (it is not throughout or constant) to all of the rich and wonderful conversation. We're sure you will!More About HeatherHVS Movement Studies - websiteMovement-based Mindfulness ™The Spiral - Deepening Your Teaching PracticeWritings:Breath and SubstanceSelf-made ArmorA Life of QualityGet in touch with Heather - HERE"When I was teaching in public schools, working with at-risk kids giving them as much of a solid and integrity-filled dance experience that could allow them to a path of in movement and in dance if they wanted that but also knowing that for the majority of them this was just a means for them to experience themselves in a movement based way that would help them function with other people, to function in school. For me that really started to address some social justice themes and what is the movement about, what kind of expression is allow and who gets to explore it. Where in the body does the movement, where is that allowed to exist, and where in the community doest that exist and what does it all matter. and ultimately it brought me to a place where it has been about developing a quality of life, but it’s also really about developing a life of quality.”Connect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:Feb - Body Mind and Core and the Indianapolis area (workshops and anatomy)March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)May - Virginia/DC studio crawlJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June. Early bird deadline, Dec. 15thLearn more and get your tickets HEREOur Episode SponsorThe Science + Psychology of Teaching Master's ProgramExplore A Whole New Universe of TeachingDive in to critical areas of teaching NEVER before directly addressed in a full-length certification program: brain science + education, humanistic psychology, motivation science, polyvagal theory + more. FINALLY! Bring Something BIG to LifeAs a project-based program we’ll help you create the curriculum, workshop or research project you’ve been dreaming of; take the larger stage, make a bigger impact + experience a more rewarding and lucrative career. This is not just another teacher training! Intimate, Interactive, Challenging + RewardingThe Master’s Program is a HIGHLY INTERACTIVE process of learning + implementation that supports you every step of the way to immediately integrate what you learn. Get 1:1 coaching, LIVE group discussions, daily feedback and guidance + fantastic LIVE EVENT in California! Learn more HERE and get signed up for an upcoming Q + A Call and be eligible for tuition discounts not available any other time. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Pushing the edges of how we view our human form and human existence in an ever morphing world. Meet Frank Forencich. Founder/creator of Exuberant Animal, health and human adaptation expert, author, and international speaker. Are we really separate from our environment or is nature just an external organ? Why isn't sapience a word we know and endeavor to achieve? How is the "short body" view keeping us held hostage to a diminishing return both physically, intellectually, and emotionally.Interested? Here are some of the questions we dive into:What is ancestral health?What is the "long body" view and what are the implications?What is sapience and why the hell don't we know about it/use it?!Movement v. exercise, physicality v. fitnessThe power of UmbuntuDescartes and non-dualismWhat is the resonance circuit?And so, so much more...Listen. Be wide-eyed, forced to take a deep breath, and inspired. Smile. Share."Exuberant Animal offers a uniquely integrative perspective on the human predicament, a new old way of living in the modern world."More About FrankExuberant Animal - websiteBooksCore ConceptsInteresting articles and presentations:Be Strong to be RelevantIn Vivo VeritasAncestral Health SymposiumGet in touch with Frank - HERE“The constant drumbeat to “see your doctor” doesn’t just steer people towards expert advice; it simultaneously steers us away from our own native capabilities. It suggests that the medical industry is the sole authority in matters of our health. And when we internalize this belief, we lose faith in our own powers of adaptability. ” -- First, Do No MedicineConnect with UsChantill - chantill@skillfulteaching.com + (707) 738-7951James - j.crader@evolvedbodystudio.comEmail us at thinkingpilatespodcast@gmail.com or use the form below.Like us on Facebook at The Thinking Pilates PodcastLeave us a review on iTunes.What We're Up ToCome learn with Chantill in 2019:Feb - Body Mind and Core and the Indianapolis area (workshops and anatomy)March - Village Pilates, Chicago (Mentoring Salon and workshops)April - Kalijo Pilates, Sunshine Coast, BC (4-day retreat with Debora Kolwey)May - Virginia, DC studio crawlJoin Chantill and James at Momentum Fest this coming June. Early bird deadline, Dec. 15thLearn more and get your tickets HERE See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

In this episode, physical therapist, Pilates teacher, and co-founder of  Momentum Fest Jessica Valant recaps what it was like to plan a 3 day Pilates festival and shares her tips for planning a large scale event.  To connect with Jessica, visit her website or say hello on Instagram. 

This week, Jenna takes us on a recap of the first ever Momentum Fest, and shares her experience of a paradigm shift in the world of Pilates conferences.  She is joined by Pilates Pro, Jeana Pfeifer for a raw and exposing conversation that builds awareness about teachers and movers in the LGBTQIA community.  This talk helps us all assess how we may be practicing exclusivity without even knowing it and also offers simple tips to easily create inclusivity within our own studio walls.    References: Ballet For Black and Brown Bodies Instagram pages for MEME MY FACE Challenge: Jenna / Pilates Unfiltered Special Thanks to Our Sponsors: Pilates Anytime, Profitable Pilates, Pilates Preacher, Pilates Nerd, 8th Avenue Rail

This week we talk about the value of taking a movement sabbatical and the strategies to get back online with your practice.  Jenna finally answers the question "How do you do it all?" and we get down and dirty with the biopsychosocial model of physical therapy with physio, Nick Hannah.  The conversation covers the importance of client empowerment, updated relevant research and the stories behind Nick's popular instagram feed, @hannahmoves.  OH - and there's also a little bit about the pelvic floor :). A special thank you to our sponsors: Pilates Anytime, Profitable Pilates, Momentum Fest, Moving Well Podcast, Good Citizen Register for Unlock Your Creative Flow in NYC!   Click here to learn more about Jenna's retreat this summer, CAMP RISE

In this episode, Jenna shares a fail of the ego and also gives us an insider's peek into one of her Pilates sessions to listen to a creative strategy that she used to work with her client's mindset surrounding pain.  We welcome Ingrid Thompson: a Business Mentor that specializes in working with health professionals to create, start, and grow a business. She and Jenna weave through the ins and outs of what it means to start, run, and maintain a successful business - particularly in the Pilates industry. Get out your notebooks! The gems are abundant this week!  Get Ingrid's Book! Listen to Ingrid's Podcast! Special Thank you to our sponsors: Pilates Anytime, Profitable Pilates, Inspired Wellness, Moving Well Podcast, Momentum Fest

It's the Season 6 Premiere! In our opening act, Jenna reviews the happenings over the break and introduces the expanded platform of conversations about all walks of Pilates Professional.  We'll hear about upcoming events in the community, a #jennagem about choosing an archetype to model your teaching role after and the pièce de résistance: an interview with Kathryn Ross Nash! Learn about Kathy's Red Thread methodology, supporting teachers through movement-based courses and her definition of "Zen AF!" We're coming back with a bang and are so happy you are here with us!  Get your Elizabeth Larkam "Why Not?" shirt here and help benefit the PMA® Heroes in Motion® initiative! Special thanks to our sponsors: Pilates Anytime, Profitable Pilates, WAPilates, Momentum Fest, and Inspired Wellness!

In this episode, Janet and Nikki chat with licensed physical therapist and certified Pilates instructor Jessica Valant about working with pre and postnatal clients in a Pilates and fitness setting. They cover: What it means when a client has a diagnosis of endometriosis and how to work with them in a Pilates or fitness setting Signs of pelvic floor dysfunction and how to know if you should refer a client out to a medical professional How to stay in your scope of practice when working with pre and postnatal clients and the difference between assessment and diagnosis Exercise recommendations + suggestions for your postnatal clients Precautions to reduce your risk of causing a diastasis recti during pregnancy What you should know when working with someone who's had abdominal surgery What to know about working with a client who is undergoing IVF Signs of prolapse and what to do if you suspect you or your client has one Why Jessica started Momentum Fest and how to be a part of it About Jessica Valant Jessica has been a licensed physical therapist and certified Pilates instructor for over 17 years. She first experienced Pilates during a short inservice at her first PT job out of graduate school. She quickly fell in love and realized Pilates could be used as an amazing tool in helping to rehabilitate her patients. She received her Pilates training through Polestar Pilates and is a Certified Pilates Teacher and continuing education provider under the Pilates Method Alliance. She has a successful fitness DVD series, YouTube channel, women’s health program and online Pilates studio called Jessica Valant Pilates. She was named a top 10 finalist in the 2015 Pilates Anytime Next Instructor Contest and teaches workshops and courses to other health care professionals and Pilates instructors. Jessica’s love and passion for the Pilates industry led her to co-found Momentum Fest with her husband, Brian. Jessica believes movement should be empowering and exciting and she hopes to help all people in her classes feel the same. To learn more about Jessica visit her website jessicavalantpilates.com.